Old Bailey Proceedings Online (www.oldbaileyonline.org, version 8.0, 15 August 2022), January 1876, trial of WILLIAM GARNHAM (35) (t18760131-184).

WILLIAM GARNHAM, Theft > receiving, 31st January 1876.

184. WILLIAM GARNHAM (35) , Feloniously receiving 172 dozen shirt collars and 38 dozen wristbands, the property of John Corke and another, knowing them to be stolen.

MR. M. WILLIAMS and MR. W. SLEIGH conducted the Prosecution; and MR. STRAIGHT and MR. J. P. GRAIN the Defence.

ROBERT ABBOTT . I am one of the firm of Corke, Abbott, & Co., 44 and 45, Fore Street, shirt collar, wristband, and front manufacturers—we missed property some time before January—a communication was made to us in December about a boy named Grant who we had, in consequence of which we had our premises searched in January, and a sack containing 123 dozen collars and three and a half pieces of linen was found on the private staircase, where it had no right to be—we were unable to trace it further, and discharged Grant—Goods are never sold on our premises in an undressed state—on the 17th January Mr. Westaby, a collar dresser, communicated with me at the police-station, I having put the matter into the hands of the police on the 13th—Westerby produced these half a dozen pairs of Marlborough wristbands and two dozen Stanley collars marked "P.S.H. Stanley to pattern 15,"which means the size; "P.S.H." denotes the firm for whom they were made—it is Edwards' duty to cut these collars—this pencil mark is his writing—every dozen we make is marked—there is also a mark on the wristbands—the collars were dressed; they were given to me as a sample only of what Westaby had received—in consequence of what Westaby said I saw Mr. Chilton—Westaby produced this document to me. (Read: "Memorandum. London Warehouse Company, Limited, to Mr. Westaby. Sir,—Please dress the collars, &c., you have for us, and let me know when they are ready. R. J. Chilton. Jan. 11, 1876." Jennings communicated with us, I think, on the 17th January, and produced these two invoices: "Dec. 23rd, 1874. Mr. Jennings. Bought of W. Garnham, draper, &c., 41 dozen collars at 3s., 7l. 3s. 6d." "Dec. 28,1875. Mr. Jennings. Bought of W. Garnham 36 dozen linen fronts at 5s. 6d., 9l. 18s." Jennings showed me the goods, and they were mine; he produced the lot—I identify them, they are partly dressed and partly undressed—none of Jennings' goods passed through Westaby's hands—I recovered from Westaby 132 dozen of Stanley collars and 38 dozen of Marlborough wristbands, of which 96 dozen collars were undressed and 38 dozen wristbands were dressed—I recovered from Jennings altogether 72 dozen and five collars and fronts, some dressed and some undressed—I then went with Jennings and three detectives to Garnham's house, Hoxton Street, Hoxton—Jennings went in first and asked for Mr. Garnham, as he did not observe him in the back of the shop—the man pointed him out to us and said "That is Mr. Garnham. Mr. Garnham, this is the gentleman belonging to the firm I spoke to you about"—Garnham asked me to go into the back room, which I did, and said "My name is Abbott, of the firm of Corke, Abbott, & Co.; I have come about some collars and fronts which you have sold to Jennings; have you any more of them?" he said that he had heard from Jennings about them the day previous, he said "I only bought these seventy-seven dozen, which I sold all to Jennings—I have no more"—I said, "Can I look over your warehouse?"he said "You see how I was occupied when you came in, leave it until 2 o'clock, I will then come down to your warehouse" I

told him I could not do that—before that I asked him where he got them from, he said "I bought them of a man whom I know, but I cannot now recollect his name"—I asked him if he could find an invoice, he looked over a file, and said "I cannot find it"—I then said "Will you come with me now?" he said "No, I cannot, I am too busy "I said "I can't leave you"; he said "Do the police know anything of this, for God's sake do not put it into their hands" I said "They do know something about it" he said "For mercy's sake do not put it into their hands, I am a man with a family of seven children, I will come down to you at 2 o'clock, and will make up your loss "I said "What loss? with you at present it is seventyseven dozen, but we have lost considerably over 200l."—he made no answer, and Brett almost immediately came in—the prisoner said that he had sold all he bought to Jennings, and after the police searched the premises, he said "I have bought back three dozen collars of Jennings "he called his shopman, and told him to fetch them—he was taken away in custody, and I went to Moor Lane station, and saw him there—a portion of the property I had seen in Westaby's possession, was brought in, and I identified it—Chilton came to the station, and said in the prisoner's presence that he bought of him the goods he had sold to Westaby—the prisoner made no answer that I heard—he said when the police entered his shop, that he bought the goods of Price and Chapman; and he believed it was Mr. Price, of Glover's Hall Court—we stopped there over two hours, and he searched his invoices twice or thrice over—these Marlborough. wristbands were on our premises on 5th January, they were not button-holed on the 3rd, the size and the cut correspond with thirty-nine dozen which I lost—the Stanley collars were also on our premises on 5th January; I believe about twenty-dozen were looked out specially.

Cross-examined. I had the information from Jennings on Monday evening the 17th, and went to the prisoner's premises on Tuesday the 18th—it is a general drapery shop, very fully stocked, with counters on each side—I saw two ladies serving in the shop, and also a young man—I saw one customer there—detectives Brett, Broom, and Butteridge were outside—Tenningb was present during the whole conversation—Stanley collars are common enough by name—there is only a peneil mark on one collar in every dozen, it is to show the particular firm they are cut for—I find in a large number of the undraped collars the letters in pencil—"Marlborough" is the name of the shape of the wristbands—the name may be common—they are not registered in that name.

JAMES WESTABY . I am a collar dresser, of 59, Red Cross Street—on 17th January I went to Moor Lane Station and met Mr. Corke—I produced a sample of certain undressed collars and cuffs which were brought to me in a sack with "D. R. & Co." on it in red letters, by a young man; and two or three days afterwards. I received this memorandum, after which I dressed thirty-six dozen of them—in consequence of certain enquiries I produced a sample of them to Mr. Corke who identified them as being stolen from him—when I received the goods in the sack I did not know where they came from—I had not had any transactions with the London Wood Street Warehouse Company for some years—the message was "They are from the Wood Street Warehouse Company, but do not touch them till you hear from them"—I did not do anything to them till I received the memorandum.

Cross-examined. I have known Charton some time in the trade,

but did not know with what establishment he was connected—the words "Stanley and Marlborough "would not disappear in the dressing, but the pencil marks would—I saw the young man bring the sack, and he told me they were for the Wood Street Warehouse Company—there was nothing very striking in the sack or in putting collars into it—there was "D. R." on it—there is a well-known firm of warehousemen, Devas, Rout-ledge & Co., they sell goods of this description.

ARTHUR THOMAS CHILTON . I live at Camden Town—in, January, I was a buyer in the service of the London Warehouse Company—I have known the prisoner for a number of years, he is a draper of Hoxton Street—he has been in the habit of buying largely of the London Warehouse Company; but he has not sold to them till lately; I had one transaction with him before this of about 130 dozen gentlemen's scarves—that was early in January, shortly before this—I called on him at his shop on business two or three days previous to my sending this memorandum, and he offered me these goods which were on the floor of the little back shop—there is a doorway between, and it is up a step or two, it is stowed with goods—I said "What is the price," there were I suppose 110 or 120 dozen collars; I did not count them and he did not tell me, and about twenty dozen wristbands I guessed—he asked me 3s. for the collars, and 6s. 6d. for the cuffs which I agreed to give him—I made no memorandum of the transaction, I trusted to my memory—I said "Send them to Mr. Westaby, in Red Cross Street, to be dressed"—I did not know the number, but he is as well-known in Red Cross Street, as you are in this Court—he had dressed collars for me before for my private use, instead of sending them to the washerwoman—he had not dressed collars for the company before—the goods were those which Mr. Abbott identifies—the memorandum is "January 11, 1876. Mr. Westaby. Sir,—Please dress the collars you have for us, and let me know when they are ready. "I underlined" me "that he might communicate personally with me and not with the company, because I was the buyer—I did not enter the transaction in any of the books of the company—I did not hear any more about the property till the 18th—I had not received any document whatever from the prisoner—it is unusual to buy collars by the dozen in an undressed state, but it is sometimes done; I might have a job lot—I never bought any undressed before—the invoice would be sent to the firm not to me—I should not receive any communication from Westaby.

Cross-examined. There is no transaction in which I was engaged in. which Westaby has acted for the company—1 have been with the company a year or eighteen months, and before that I was with Adams & Co.—these goods made a large heap on the floor of the back shop—there was no concealment, whoever went into the shop could see them—1 knew the prisoner carrying on this business prior to my going to Wood Street—I did a large business with him at Messrs. Adams & Co.—I have done business with him for the company to the amount of 300l. or 400l. a month, and for the other people sometimes 100l. or more a month, they were in a class of business Mr. Garnham would not sell so much in, being only haberdashers—the same course was pursued with him as to the neckties, but they did not want dressing and did not go to Westaby—no invoice would be sent to me, it would go direct to the firm—all goods sent through Westaby would have to appear in the company's books—they would have to be delivered and received and signed for by a porter and the invoice entered, and the goods sent up into my department and the person would be credited in the

invoice book where his name would appear—collars are put into boxes, and I wrote "Let me know"—that I might know how many boxes would be required, and also for the sizes of the boxes I had to take the measurement—as buyer considerable latitude is allowed me; I have to make the department pay and show a certain profit—in my judgment 3s. for collars, and 6s. 6d. for cuffs was a fair price—I picked up one or two collars in the shop, and saw the kind of thing they were—as to my not checking the number only what were delivered would be paid for.

Re-examined. I did not know how many collars I had bought, and wanted information on account of knowing the number of boxes—I left the employ of the company on the day Mr. Corke and Mr. Sherman called and. previous to their calling, but that had nothing to do with the transaction.

By THE JURY. I receive an invoice when they are delivered—an. Invoioe sent to the firm would be passed to me as buyer, but it would go through the receiving dock—I should say the invoice would come with the goods.

JOHN FRANCIS JENNINGS . I am a commercial traveller, of 20, Upper John Street, Hoxton—on 23rd January I was passing the prisoner's shop and went in; he took me to an upstairs sitting-room and showed me some goods, and I bought 41 dozen collars at 3s. 6d. and 36 dozen fronts at 5s. 6d., coming to 9l. 18s.—they were undressed—I was to pay for them when I could, and I have paid 4l. 12l.—I never had any receipt—I had bought goods of the prisoner many times before, but I generally paid for them—in consequence of what I heard I called on Corke, Abbot, and Co. on the 17th January, and showed them a sample of the property—I never bought collars, cuffs, or fronts of the prisoner before, or any goods in an undressed state—he asked me to buy all he showed me,—which I did—there was no discount.

Cross-examined. I have known the prisoner about ten years, and have dealt with him on former occasions—I travel for myself, not for any firm—I sell among small shops.

THOMAS. PRICE . I reside at 33 Saint John's Square Clerkenwell—I am a bonnet shape maker—I formerly carried on business at No. 6, Glover's Hall Court, City—I left the latter end of November last and took my business to Saint John's Square Clerkenwell—I have known the prisoner seven or eight years—I have had business transactions with him; not with such goods as these—they have generally been velvet hats or shapes—the last transaction was fifteen or eighteen months, ago—no other person was carrying on business in my name at the time I was there—I was there six years and a half—during that time I never knew or heard of a person named Chapman nor any firm of the name of Price & Chapman—I do not think such business could be carried on without my knowing it.

FREDERICK CHARLES BRETT (City Detective). I was instructed by the prosecutor at the beginning of this year to make certain enquiries about some lost property—in conjunction with others I did so—I remember subsequently Westaby coming to the police-station—I saw him—he produced this sample of goods—Mr. Corke was present and identified them as his—I subsequently saw Chilton as to the goods—I also saw Jennings on the morning of the 18th—he came to Messrs. Abbott's place—he produced a quantity of goods—they were identified by the prosecutor as property stolen from him—I went down with the prosecutor and Jennings to the prisoner's place of business at Hoxton—I waited outside sometime and-then I went in—I went up some steps through the shop into a back room—I

was alone at that time—I was the first to enter that—after that, Mr. Abbott went out and fetched Brown & Butterfield—I asked the prisoner to account for the possession of these goods (producing two invoices) which he had sold to Jennings which has been identified as the property of Corke & Abbott in the City—he said he had sold them to Jennings, and Jennings had returned him three dozen done up—I then asked him who he bought them of—he said of a man of the name of Price or Chapman—he thought it was Chapman that he did live in Glovers Hall Court Barbican but he had left there—I asked him if he knew where he had lived, he said somewhere near Victoria Park but did not know where—I asked him for the invoice of the goods, he said he believed he had got it somewhere—I asked him to look for it as we had plenty of time and could wait—he did look through his bill file but did not find it—he said he had paid 3s. for the collars and is and 6d. for the fronts—I searched part of the premises, the other officers principally did that—there was a great quantity of stock there, consisting of velveteen, silks, satins, ribbons, tea, and sugar,—the value of the property altogether was about 1500l—I accompanied Chilton to Westaby's when he indentified the goods as those purchased by him of the prisoner—I took the prisoner to the station and ho was the next day brought before the Alderman at the Guildhall—represented by a solicitor—and remanded for a week—he was then represented by counsel and remanded again—I think it was for a week—I was present on all occasions and no invoices were produced on either—I have made enquiries at Glovers Hall Court for Price & Chapman. but never found them.

Cross-examined. The expression he made use of was he believed it was Price—as to the invoices he said he believed he had them somewhere—at one time all wo three detectives were in this back room—we were there at the time he said that about the invoices—Mr. Garnham was in the front shop and the man was there.

CHARLES BROWN (Detective Officer). I also had charge of making enquiries into this case—I was at the Moor Lane station with the prisoner when a sample of goods received from Westaby was brought—they were shown to the prisoner by Inspector Hugh; they consisted of two dozen collars and half-a-dozen cuffs—the Magistrate asked if he knew anything of those and the prisoner answered "I know nothing about them, I never had them."

MR. CHILTON (re-examined). The scarves I bought passed into the stock into the department in the usual way and were sold.

The following Witnesses were called for the Defence.

WILLIAM BERRY . I am a partner in the firm of Devas, Routledge & Co., 20, Cannon-street—I have known Garnham for many years by our books in the counting-house—I cannot speak to the description of goods he buys in the warehouse—I have merely to sign the invoices on their being presented to me—he has had very fair dealings indeed for some years past—I could not swear whether this (produced) is one of our bags—on our cases we have this mark, D. R. & Co.

SAMUEL HENRY CHRISTMAS . I am a buyer in the employ of the Fore Street Company—I have known the prisoner nearly three years—I have from time to time sold him job lots—my first transaction was a job lot, such as fancy wool, ties, and things we wanted to clear out—they would be sold at a lower price than the regular price—he continually had goods, sometimes I would serve him and sometimes somebody else.

CHARLES JOHN SNEWIN . I am a buyer in the employ of Messrs. Field &

Sons, of Fore Street, straw hat and bonnet manufacturers, and of furs—I have known the prisoner for six or seven years—on behalf of my employers I and other persons of the firm have had very considerable dealings with him—the firm sold him some furs at the beginning of January at a considerable reduction—I have had transactions with him as late as last month.

GEORGE CALLOW . I am buyer in the employ of Messrs. Allsney & Co.—I have had transactions with the prisoner—I have sold him job lots, among other things some boys belts—I have sold him things under the market price.

FELIX WHITTOW . The ledger department at Messrs. Cook, Son & Co., warehousemen, St. Paul's Churchyard, is under my supervision, and I am cognisant with it—for about ten years the prisoner has had dealing with us—to give you an idea of the transactions, ho has owed us as much as 500l. or 600l. at a time.

MR. SIMES. I am a wholesale perfumer and fancy goods manufacturer—I have sold the prisoner goods; I have frequently sold him job lots.

CHAKLES F. IRELAND . I am a skirt and costume manufacturer, of Kingsland—I have several times had dealings with the prisoner—I have sold him old stock at a reduction.

WILLIAM DAVIES . I am buyer for Messrs. Rotherham & Co., wholesale drapers—I have had on several occasions dealings with the prisoner in old job goods.

WILLIAM BARTHOLOMEW . I am silk buyer for the firm of Rotherham & Co.—I have known the prisoner for Borne years—I have had large dealings with him on behalf of the firm—they were always job lots, and sold usually at a reduction.

CLEMENT STURGIS . I am salesman in the hosiery department of Messrs, Rylands & Co.—I have known the prisoner for several years dealing in principally old stock at greatly under price—I was also in the employ of the Fore Street Warehouse Company, and used to call upon the prisoner to show him goods—to see if he was a buyer of any job lots—he bought a considerable quantity.

MARTHA ATWOOD . I was in the employ of the prisoner as domestic servant—it is the custom in reference to the dirty clothes and linen to turn them out on the Monday morning—Mrs. Garnham counts them—I remem-a purse being found in a pocket of a pair of trousers in the course of this operation last Monday morning—Mrs. Garnham found it—This (produced) is the purse—she opened it in the room, but I did not see what was in it—I have seen the purse in the possession of Mr. Garnham—I have seen him wear the trousers.

MR. BLACEBOW. I am assistant to Mr. Garnham, and have been in his employ for seven years—he carried on a general business—there was a room at the back of the shop—a continuation of the shop—I remember the police coming there, and taking Mr. Garnham into custody—I have on several occasions seen Mr. Chilton there—and on hundreds of occasions seen Mr. Jennings—I was not present on the occasion of a transaction between the prisoner and Mr. Jennings in December in respect to some collars—I remember a transaction later on—these collars and cuffs were in the back room—a continuation of the shop—I was in the shop the whole of the time during the purchase of those collars and cuffs—as far as my memory goes, it took place on the Tuesday or Wednesday in the first week of last month—the 4th or 5th between 11 and 12 o'clock several customers were

present—I was attending to them behind the counter—the purchase of these cuffs and collars took place in the shop itself—it was about 10 o'clock when the gentleman came with the samples—I always understood his name to be Price—he asked Mr. Garnham so much for them, but he told him he could not give him so much by 3d. a dozen as he bought them for on a former occasion—the man said he could not take the price Mr. Garn-ham offered him—I was attending to the customers, and did not hear the whole of the conversation, but after a little bit of quibbling, I suppase they agreed to take the price—Mr. Garnham and Mr. Price went out, I believe to adjourn to the next door a public-house—Mr. Garnham was absent about five minutes, and Mr. Price returned in about an hour and a half—11.30—with the collars and cuffs—he brought them in two baskets—I had occasion to go to the back warehouse for some reserved stock for the shop, and when I came in they were throwing them on to the floor from the basket—last Monday morning I saw that purse (produced)—it was shown to me by Mrs. Garnham a little after 1 o'clock—she opened it in my presence, and was very much excited at the time—her husband had then been in custody somewhere about ten days—he was taken on the 18th of last month—there are seven children—part of the contents of the purse she showed to me—these two receipts were in the purse (examining). This piece of paper was in it—It was marked lizard & Co., Agents and Importers, 35, John Street, St. John's Wood.

Cross-examined. I was not called as a witness before the Magistrate, but I was at the Court—I knew previous to that time this story of a man coming and selling the goods—I was only present at the Court on one occasion—the servant was not in my presence when these invoices were found in the purse; it took place in the shop, what I saw—I saw it afterwards—my master carries on a very extensive business; he keeps a file, upon which invoices of wholesale transactions are put occasionally—the file only relates to City houses—the transactions that take place with houses that are not City houses are not always filed—these (produced) look as if they had been on the file—I have seen Price on several occasions; he has brought goods, dressed fronts and collars—my master has not dealt pretty largely with him, only a few at a time—Price has been in the habit of coming for three or four months, maybe a little longer—this transaction was an exceptional one, large—I have not the slightest idea whose handwriting this document is—I see "Izzard & Co., agents and importers," is, printed, but the first address is written—the first name is scratched out; there is a blot over the "E. Izzard & Co."—that was in the same state when I saw it as it is now, as far as I believe—my master buys all sorts of goods, sometimes chests of tea, and I sell outside at the stall—he also buys teapots, and sugar and any mortal thing—he has bought carcasses of sheep, anything that's cheap—we have a few shawls on the establishment—I have known him buy undressed collars; it is a common thing—he bought 14 1/2 cwt. of linen cellars and cuffs undressed and unfinished at a salvage of Blenkiron's fire—Mr. Jennings had 100 dozen fronts not at all damaged of Mr. Garnham—I have seen Jennings on several occasions—I was not there when he bought these goods—he has had some hundreds of transactions with my employer, not always cash; paid by instalments on several occasions—Mr. Garnham would introduce things to him and say "You can pay when you like"—I believe he has always kept his payments up—the first

lot of goods of Mr. Price's came on to the premises on the 18th December I was out at the stall, because it happened to be a Saturday; I did not see Price come—I know all that arrived that day from the invoice—I never saw the goods myself—the last time I saw Price was on the 4th or 5th of January—I have never seen him since this transaction—he used to call about once a fortnight, sometimes longer than that—my master always paid cash, I think—(looking at Mr. Price) that is not the gentleman at Glover's Hall Court.

Re-examined. There was a person Mr. Garnham always addressed as Mr. Price—as far as I know the things that I saw bought were bought openly in the shop—Mr. Abbott and the officers took a dozen cuffs away that we had for two years—I know that the prisoner was in custody, from the time he was taken until the last examination before the Magistrate, and that he was committed just before the Sessions to this Court in order to have his trial at once—I did not take the collars down to Westaby's.

WILLIAM NEWTON . I am a butcher, of 168, High Street, Hoxton—the prisoner has been in the habit of dealing with me for some, time past—I" went into his shop on Tuesday, 4th, to get an order for a leg of mutton; I saw some person in conversation with him—I saw a basket on the right and a smaller one on the left; as I walked to the back I saw some boxes of sample collars—I saw some silver on the counter; I also saw a man sitting there—I took the leg of mutton to the prisoner, had my money, 6s. 4d., and left the man there.

Witnesses in reply

SAMUEL JOHN CORKE, JUN . I am son of Mr. Corke, one of the firm of the prosecutors—I have seen all the property produced by Westaby—the last portion of it came in on Tuesday night, on the 4th January, between 5 and 6 o'clock, from outdoors, for the button-holing—then the quantity was not complete; there were two dozen to make it so, and I had a row with one of the young girls—I knew it was part of the property found at Westaby's because I took it in myself—it was Marlborough cuffs; about ten dozen came in on the Tuesday; the rest, about thirty dozen, came in on the Monday—I know them by the price given out at, and I am positive they are Marlborough wristbands, and W.R.F. Glasgow—they were made for a particular firm, and they have the letters of that firm upon them—I am able to swear positively upon that, that they were at our premises on the 4th—I am positive about the rest of the property because you will find P.S.H. on a part of the collars—I cannot say whether those goods were ever made or in existence upon the 18th December; the portion upon the 4th January I am positive of—they were given out to button-hole on the 1st.

Cross-examined. I am a warehouseman—there are about 300 to 400 people employed—our business consists of nothing but cuff, collar, and front making—the Marlborough wristband is not a common one; it is. Not known all over the trade; you could not go into half a dozen shops in London and buy it—the Stanley collar is not a common one—when we receive orders to execute I take them upstairs and enter them into a book in the cutter's room—it is at home now—W.R.F. is a firm in Glasgow; their names are W. R. Finlay & Co.; they have dealt with us a number of years—they are large warehousemen—we supply them with a large number of cuffs and collars in a dressed state—I cannot say without reference how long before this order we had had one—we do not make these Stanley collars cheaper than anyone else, other people have the same privilege—to the best

of my belief we have made Marlborough cuffs three years, Stanley collars three months—we make the Marlboroughs for one house and the collars for another; P.H.S. one and W.R.F. another—cuffs and collars might have the same name—that particular Marlborough cuff cannot be bought all over the the trade at the same price—we had some goods come in on the Monday—I have a book to refer to, but not here; my word is enough—I did not see the cuffs at Westaby's, I saw them at the police-station—the stitching is done by a machine—I can tell who stitched them by the number.

Re-examined. The wristbands are made in dozens, not half-dozens—on each dozen there is a mark—were they separated there would be a mark on each half-dozen—the particular shape of the wristband is not uncommon to the trade—on this dozen (examining) there is No. 48 very indistinct.

ROBERT ABBOTT (re-examined). There were thirty-six dozen Marlborough cuffs recovered from Westaby's—I made the list out on the 3rd January; there were thirty-nine dozen short, which were being button holed—we had an order for 100 dozen in 1875 for W. R. Finlay & Co., of Glasgow—I sup-plied twenty-four dozen, and they were delivered "dressed "in 1875—on the 3rd January there were thirty-nine dozen short; the thirty-nine dozen were down on the 5th January—I did not see them—they had not to my knowledge been delivered—on the 13th I missed those wristbands when searching the stock, when the boy Grant was discharged.

Cross-examined. On the 13th I knew all that I know now—the prisoner was charged before the Magistrate on the 18th—I did not then know all that I know now—I did not know that the thirty-nine dozen had not come down on the 4th—I don't recollect being asked by Mr. Gain before the Magistrate, to fix the times I missed the things—my hours at the premises are from 10 to 6 o'clock—as a rule nothing is brought down until the morning from the cutting-room—the work is taken in at night, counted over, checked, and brought down the following day—I cannot tell at what hour the things would be finished—the things are done at their own homes—they would be delivered to the forewoman in the morning—she keep a book—it it is not here.

JOHN CORKE, SEN . I have seen these thirty odd dozen Marlborough wristbands—they came down stairs on the 4th—I was present, all but two dozen, and they came down on Wednesday the 5th—these cuffs before me are what came down on the 9th—not one of this lot had been down before the 4th.

Cross-examined. I was in the workroom when they came down—it is the department I take the management of—there is a book kept to show about outdoor buttonholers—we have lost between 3 and 400l. worth of goods—cuffs, collars, and fronts.

NOT GUILTY .

The Jury expressed their opinion 'that no blame attached to the witness CHILTON.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.