Old Bailey Proceedings Online (www.oldbaileyonline.org, version 8.0, 03 October 2022), August 1842, trial of JOHN WILLIAM BEAN (t18420822-2277).

JOHN WILLIAM BEAN, Royal Offences > other, 22nd August 1842.

2277. JOHN WILLIAM BEAN was indicted for a misdemeanor.

THE ATTOENEY and SOLICITOR-GENERAL, with MESSES. ADOLPHUS, WADDINOTON, and GURNEY, conducted the Prosecution.

CHARLES EDWARD DASSETT . I am an oil and colourman. On Sunday, the 3rd of July, about a quarter to twelve o'clock, I went into St. James's-park, and saw the Royal carriages and the Queen and Prince Albert coming from Buckingham Palace to go to the Chapel Royal, St. James's—I was standing about half way down the Mall, near the watering-place, which is a kind of pump—I did not distinctly see the Queen—She was in the last carriage—there were three carriages, and she was in the last—I did not distinctly see her, but I have heard she was in the last—I have seen her a great number of times—She was always in the last carriage—when the last carriage was passing I observed just before it passed the prisoner come in front' of the crowd, and present a pistol at the last carriage of the three—he seemed to come from the back of the crowd—he elbowed his way to the front—I saw him present a pistol at the last carriage—I heard the click of the hammer striking against the pan, but there was no explosion—I heard that as the last carriage was passing—the pistol was full cocked when he presented it, and he was holding it out at arm's length towards the carriage.

Q. Was it while the pistol was elevated towards the carriage that you heard that click? A. Yes—I immediately seized him by the right arm, which had the pistol in it—I forget my exact words, but I said, How dare he shoot at the Queen? or something of that sort—I took the pistol from him—but before that I turned round to my brother, who stood on the right-hand side (the prisoner was on my left,) and mentioned to my brother what had happened—I held the prisoner by the arm at the time, and after I had told my brother, I took the pistol from him—he made very little resistance—he did not say anything that I remember—He took the pistol from under his coat—I saw him draw it out—I cannot say whether it was in a pocket, or what.

Q. How high towards the carriage was the pistol directed? A. The action was so quick I hardly noticed it—he held it at arm's length, and immediately drew his arm back when he found it missed fire—the carriage was passing at the time—I was about two and a half or from that to three yards from the carriage, standing on the edge of the footpath—there was an immense number of persons there—it was on the right-hand side, as the carriages were going down towards the gardens of St. James's-park—my face was towards St. James's Palace—after taking the pistol from him, I and my brother took him across the Mall, and offered him to the policeman A 56, who was standing across the Mall—a great number of persons followed us, and asked me to give the boy back his pistol, saying they believed it was a hoax, they did not believe it was loaded—the policeman refused to take him into custody—I offered him the pistol—he returned it to me, and said he thought it did not amount to a charge—I had hold of the prisoner all the time—I offered him to Claxton, A 134, who likewise refused to take the charge—the pressure of the crowd became so great, and most of them sided with the prisoner—he was forced from me, and escaped—I still had the pistol, and went down the Mall with it in my hand—I myself was soon after taken into custody by policeman A 136, who stood lower down the Mall—I had the pistol at that time in my hand, and the people were at that time charging me with attempting to shoot the Queen—the constable took the pistol from me—I was taken to Gardiner's-lane station—I saw, when the prisoner pulled the pan up, that it was full of coarse gunpowder; and when I took it from him I put the pan down, and half-cocked the hammer, to save what gunpowder remained, but a portion of it had got out—when I gave it to the policeman I had put the pan down—in other respects it was just the same as when I took it from the prisoner—I do not remember the prisoner saying anything to me—I think he asked me for his pistol again—that was while I had him in custody—I saw him afterwards, when he was taken into custody—I have not the least doubt of his being the person.

Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. You half-cocked the trigger? A. Yes—the carriages were not in very rapid motion—the horses were going at the usual trot—the last carriage had passed before I took hold of the prisoner's arm—it had not got past before he presented the pistol—it was passing at the time—he was a little before the people—rather before me—the carriage was just before me at the moment he presented it.

COURT. Q. What do you mean by being before you? A. The carriage was passing between two rows of people—it was passing at the time he attempted to fire—it had not passed—it was abreast of me.

MR. HORRY. Q. Was not the carriage in advance of you before you took hold of the prisoner's arm, and before you heard the click? A. The carriage had passed when I took him—the carriage had got just by when I heard the click.

COURT. Q. What do yon mean by just got by you? A. It was passing, it had not passed—when he pulled the trigger it was exactly opposite him.

MR. HORRY. Q. You did not see him pull the trigger, did you? A. Yes—the carriage had not passed at the moment I heard the click—it was just passing—I was standing on the left-hand side of my brother, and the prisoner was standing on the right of me—my back was towards the railing—my uncle was behind me—I should say there were 2000 or 3000 people.

Q. Was not there a good deal of laughing going on? A. No, the people did not laugh that I remember—some might have laughed, I cannot say—

there was a great noise after it happened—while I had hold of the prisoner they kept shouting at me to let him go—they cried out that the pistol was not loaded—I do not think there was a great deal of laughing—I will not swear there was not—I spoke to my brother and uncle—I do not recollect what I said to my uncle—I crossed the Mall towards the Green-park before I met policeman A 56—the people were about me all this time—my brother was helping me to take the prisoner—I do not remember whether he had hold of him—he was walking by the side—I think he had hold of him—I kept hold of him—he made a little resistance.

Q. Was not he pushing and pulling from you as the people pushed and pulled? A. I believe he was—that is what I mean by a little resistance—as he went along I believe he appealed to me to give him his pistol back—I have no doubt of it—he did not follow me, and keep up with me, when I had not hold of him—when he got away he made his way off—we might have gone twelve or fourteen yards before we got to policeman 56 A—he did not ask me to give him the pistol back several times—I will not swear he did not ask twice, nor that he did not ask me when I had not hold of him—I do not think he did—the crowd kept by us half-way across the road—he might then have got away by the assistance of the mob, but I had hold of him—I met policeman A 56 about half-way down the road—I did not cease to keep hold of him till I was made—I said nothing about the click to A 56—I told him I saw him present the pistol—just after the second carriage had passed, I observed him take the pistol and present it at the third—he was by my side at the time the first carriage passed—I was looking down towards Buckingham Palace, and watched the carriages as they came up—the prisoner was standing by the side of me all that time—I saw him take the pistol from his coat—I did not see distinctly that it was a pistol when he was taking it out, but I saw it when he pointed it—he took it out as the second carriage was going by, and as the second had just passed he presented it about the middle of the last carriage—at the moment he took it out he and I were standing exactly abreast of the horses—he presented it immediately he took it out—I heard the click immediately.

FREDERICK AUGUSTUS DASSETT . I am the brother of Charles Edward Dassett. On Sunday, the 3rd of July, I was with him in St. James's-park, seeing Her Majesty going to the chapel—there were a good many people there—I stood on my brother's right-hand—I did not have hold of his arm—I did not see him take hold of any body, but saw him when he had hold of the prisoner—I had not seen the prisoner do any thing before that—when my brother had hold of him he had a pistol in his hand—he got away from him by the crowd pressing on him—my brother kept the pistol.

COURT. Q. But when you first saw the prisoner the pistol was in his hand? A. Yes—I saw my brother take it from him.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. At the time your brother took the pistol from the prisoner, where were the carriages, and How many carriages were there? A. Three—the third had passed three or four yards when he took the pistol—we were then about three yards from it—I did not see any body in the carriage—my brother attempted to give charge of the prisoner, but the policeman did not take him—when my brother took the pistol the hammer of it had gone down—the pan was shut as it is when it is being let off.

COURT. Q. Do you know the meaning of shutting the pan? A. Yes, after it is gone off—the pan was in the same state as a pistol is when it has been fired off.

MR. ADOLPJIUS. Q. Your brother took the pistol to a policeman?

A. Yes—it was not then in the state it was when he first got it—I think it was half cocked—my brother took the prisoner over to the policemen—when they refused to take the charge, after taking him tome distance down the Mall, he got away.

Cross-examined. Q. You say the pan was down—do you know what the pan is? A. Yes—both the pan and hammer were down—I had not noticed the prisoner before—I stood by my brother's side, with my back to the railing, looking for the carriages, looking towards Buckingham Palace, before the carriages came up—the prisoner was on my brother's left-hand, and I on his right—I did not notice any thing till my brother spoke to me—I then looked, and found him holding the prisoner's wrist—he said, "Here is a young gentleman going to have a pop at the Queen"—I had hold of one side of him, when my brother took him to the policeman—my brother had the other—I did not notice his asking my brother to give him back his pistol—he did not say anything as we went along, that I recollect—he said nothing, and went quite willingly—he gave very little trouble—he did not walk so fast as my brother wished—he is a cripple—my uncle was behind—when my brother went to the policeman, he laughed, and said it did not amount to a charge—there were a number of people coming by as we went on with the prisoner—there was a great deal of shouting—I believe they said the pistol was not loaded—I did not notice much—I did not notice that any of the mob offered to take the prisoner from us—I cannot swear nobody did—I saw no one particularly—I know the mob pushed very much—they pushed different ways.

COURT. Q. How came he to get away? A. Because the mob was so great.

MR. HORRY. Q. Did not you hear somebody say, "You are a foolish fellow, if you don't want to get into trouble about your pistol, you had better go away?" A. Not that I noticed—I will not swear that was not laid just at the time we got separated—I did not see anybody in the third carriage.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. You have been asked if somebody did not say the pistol was not loaded, had they looked to see whether it was loaded? A. Not that I know—they could not have seen it in my brother's hand.

COURT. Q. Before your brother seized the prisoner's arm, did you hear anything? A. No.

JOHN JAMES . I am a carpenter and builder, and live at No. 50, North-street, Maida-hill. I am Dassett's uncle, and was with them in St. James's-park on Sunday the 3rd of July—I remember the Royal carriages passing—I was standing on the right-hand side of the road as the carriages came towards us, standing partly by my nephew Charles's side, and partly behind him, close to him—I remember the third carriage passing—I did not recognize the Queen in it—immediately as the last carriage passed us, my nephew Charles held up the prisoner's hand—he had hold of the prisoner's wrist—he said, "Here is a boy wants to have a pop at the Queen"—there was a pistol in the prisoner's hand—I did not observe the pan of it at the time—my nephew kept hold of his wrist—we all three crossed the road to the policemen, who were going off duty, and pointed it out to two policemen—my nephew kept hold of the prisoner's wrist—I saw my nephew take the pistol from the prisoner's hand, as we were crossing the road to the policemen, but kept hold of his wrist—I am quite certain he is the person—I did not see him get away, as there was a great crowd pressing on my nephew and the prisoner.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you standing on the right or left of your

nephew Charles? A. On his right, rather behind him—there was nobody between us—I was looking towards the Queen's carriage, waiting to see the carriages pass, looking in a direction towards Buckingham Palace—I do not know whether my eyes were fixed that way all the time—I had not noticed the prisoner before—we might not have gone above a dozen yards before the crowd separated us—that was when we were going down the Mall—the policemen refused to take the charge—we walked some little distance down the Mall, and the press of the crowd separated us.

JURY. Q. Did the prisoner run away immediately he was separated by the crowd? A. He disappeared—I did not look for him—my nephew was taken in charge, and I was looking after him.

WILLIAM JONES . I am a wood turner, and live in Hill-street, Finsbury, On the morning of the 3rd of July I went into St. James's-park, and saw the Royal carriages coming from Buckingham Palace, and the moment they passed me, I saw young Dassett in the act of taking a pistol from a young humped-backed boy.

COURT. Q. Do you mean the moment the third carriage had passed? A. Yes.

MR. GURNEY. Q. Should you know the boy you speak of, if you saw him again? A. I should—it was the prisoner—I stood about a yard, or a yard and a half from him—young Dassett taking the pistol out of his hand, was the first thing I observed—I saw him take him across to the policeman.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you standing behind young Dassett, or by the side of him? A. I was in front of the carriage—way, nearer Buckingham-palace than he was, about a yard or two from the prisoner—my eye followed the carriages as they passed—I turned to the right—the crowd directly got round Dassett and the prisoner—just before the moment that my attention was attracted by Dassett taking the pistol from him, I was looking at the carriages.

COURT. Q. Did you see any body in the last carriage? A. Yes, a lady in the last carriage, with either a light green or pale blue bonnet on—I do not know whether it was the Queen or not—I did not see her face.

JAMES TORRINGTON PARTRIDGE (police-constable A 136.) I have been in the police better than seven years—I have been on duty in the Park repeatedly when the Queen has been going to the Chapel Royal—I have been on duty at the Palace nearly twelve months—there are generally three carriages, and Her Majesty usually rides in the third—On the 3rd of July, Her Majesty was in the hind carriage—I saw her so as to recognise her—She sat in the hind part of the carriage—I was on duty in the Green-park, and she was on the side towards where the prisoner was standing—I was keeping the gate going into the Green-park—as soon as the Queen had passed, I returned into the Green-park again, looked round, and saw a mob coming down from Buckingham Palace towards St. James's Palace—I immediately ran down, and when I got about twenty yards from the Duke of Sutherland's house, I saw Charles Dassett with a pistol in his hand, and 400 or 500 persons following him—this was about five minutes after the Royal carriages had passed—I did not see any thing of the prisoner—I took possession of the pistol, and put it into my pocket, on account of the mob of persons crowding around wishing to see it—I afterwards gave it to Inspector Martin, of my division—it was partially examined in my presence, but not unloaded in my presence.

Cross-examined. Q. Which side of the Park were you? A. On the left side, the Green-park—I cannot say whether any body besides the

Queen and the Prince was in the hind carriage—the Prince sat at the back of the carriage, on the left side of Her Majesty, on the side that I was.

GEORGE MARTIN . I am an inspector of police. I was on duty on Sunday, the 3rd of July, in St. James's-park, and observed Dassett in custody of Partridge—I went with them to the station—there was a great crowd, which followed us to the station, and there Partridge gave me a pistol, said to be the one he had taken from Dassett—I have it here—I drew the loading—there was a small quantity of powder, a bit of paper, and two small pieces of pipe, or gravel, or something—it was a coarse sort of powder—it was rammed down with paper—it appeared to be properly rammed down—the powder was not sufficient for an ordinary charge of a pistol of that description—it was about half an ordinary charge—it was rammed down in the usual way—the bits of pipe were loose on the paper, and very small—I have them here—they fell out when the pistol was turned down—one of them is about the size of an ordinary shot—I drew the paper with the ramrod, and then poured the powder out—there was no powder in the pan—there were a few grains sticking about it, as if it had been recently primed.

Q. When you received the pistol from Dassett, the pan was down, was it? A. No, the pan was shut as it is now—I call it down when it it in a condition to go off—the pan was shut—the barrel unscrews.

Cross-examined. Q. I believe the A's are experienced men, are they not? A. do not know—they are picked men—I have fired many pistols—if it had been fired the pieces of pipe would have gone five or six yards I should say—they were at the top of the paper, which is not the usual way of loading—the wadding is usually put at the top of the charge.

MR. SOLICITOR GENERAL . Q. Did you observe whether any thing had recently been done to the lock of the pistol? A. The lock appeared to have been recently oiled, and the flint recently put in.

WILLIAM PENNY . I am inspector of the T division of police. I produce a letter which I got from the prisoner's father—I know them both—I did not show it to the prisoner—he told me he had written to his father to let him know where he was—he said nothing about this particular letter.

Cross-examined. Q. His father showed you all over his house? A. I went but to one room, that was the parlour.

THOMAS WARBOYS . I am a cheesemonger, and live at Pentonville. I know the prisoner—I have seen him write—this letter is his hand-writing.

(Letter read.)—"To Mr. J. Bean, 14, St. James's-buildings, Rosamon-street, Clerkenwell. Dear Father and Mother,—Thinking you may feel surprised at my prolonged absence, I write these few lines to acquaint you I am seeking employment, which if I do not obtain I will not be dishonest though I may be desperate. It is useless to seek for me. I am determined never to be at home again. Please give my love to brothers, though they never used me as such—I have very little more to say, except remember me to my aunt and uncle; thank them for what they have done for me. I should have written sooner, but I did not like. Hoping you will excuse this scribbling, and think no more of me. I am your unhappy, but disobedient Son, "J. B."

WILLIAM JOHN BIRD . I am a general salesman, at No. 26, Exmouth-street, Spafields. I have seen the prisoner several times—I sold him the pistol produced—(looking at it)—this is it—I sold it to him about the

latter end of June—a few days after that he brought the pistol to my shop, and said he wanted to see me about it—I could not attend to him—he came two or three times—he said it would not strike fire—this was, I think, either Thursday or Friday previous to the Sunday on which this affair happened—there was no flint in it—I said, "How could you expect it to strike fire, there is no flint?"—I put him this flint in—he paid me 1d. for it, and 3s. or 3s. 6d. for the pistol—I think it is capable of being discharged—it is a very old pistol, rather rusty, but not-withstanding it could be discharged—I believe the touch-hole was perfect when I was at the Home Office.

Cross-examined. Q. You mean it could be discharged when properly put to rights, all the rust taken off it, and cleaned? A. It would go off now in its present state, I think I may say so with certainty—I should be surprised to hear it would not go off, if it was loaded as it should be—there is not quite enough powder here—it is a screw barrel—I do not think there is quite sufficient powder here.

COURT. Q. Do you mean not sufficient to explode? A. Oh, it would explode, but not carry a ball any distance.

JURY. Q. Would it hurt any body three or four yards distance? A. Oh yes.

MR. HORRT. Q. What that powder alone? A. Not the powder alone, nor the paper on the top of it, nor would the tobacco-pipe.

COURT. Q. It would make some noise, would it not? A. It would make a noise, but not a great deal—I do not think there is sufficient powder to do mischief—it might alarm any body who was not aware of it.

GEORGE JOHN WHITMORE . I have known the prisoner about four years—I live opposite his father—shortly before the 3rd of July he came to me—it was the Friday before he ran away from home, which was a week before he was apprehended—he told me he had got a pistol up stairs—I asked him to show it to me, and on Saturday morning he brought it down to me—I asked if I should clean it for him—I oiled it up for him on the Saturday, but could not clean it—I returned it to him on the Monday following, it was then very rusty—I believe there was no flint to it then—he said he had it given to him—I asked who gave it to him—he said he had it given to him, he would not tell me by whom—it was the pistol produced—here is the dent I made on putting it into the vice.

Cross-examined. Q. You tried it, I believe, with a bit of a flint? A. Yes, it was not strong enough to go off when I had it—I got a spark from it—it was not strong enough to light the powder.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. When you tried it, had it a flint in it? A. No, I put a bit of stone in it and tried it, and got a spark with that.

BENJAMIN JEYNES . I am one of the domestic servants of Her Majesty. On Sunday, the 3rd of July, I was in attendance on the hind carriage of all, the third carriage, which Her Majesty was in, in her usual place, which is on the right-hand side of Prince Albert, with her face to the horses.

Cross-examined. Q. Was Prince Albert on the side of her? A. On her left; there was a lady on the other side of the carriage, I cannot say who.

COURT. Q. Was it an open carriage? A. A close landau—it is always closed on Sundays—the window was down, it being a hot day.

HENRY WEBB . I am a policeman. I apprehended the prisoner about nine o'clock on Sunday night, the 3rd of August—he told me he had been at Barnsbury-park that Sunday—that is towards Islington—he said he had

been as far as Regent's-park—I asked if he had been any where else—he said, "No."

MR. HORRY, on the prisoner's behalf, called the following witnesses:

HENRY HAWKES . I am a printer, and live at No. 21, Brunswick-place, City-road. I was in St. James's-park, on the 3rd of July, and saw Bean there and Charles Dassett—I saw the Royal carriages pass—at the time they were opposite me I did not see the prisoner nor Dassett—I first saw them immediately after the third carriage had passed—I saw the elder Dassett in the act of taking the prisoner into the middle of the road, stating at the same time that he had taken a pistol, which he held in his right hand, from the prisoner—I do not exactly recollect his words—it was to that effect—I did not see him take the pistol from him—the first time I saw Dassett, was when he had the pistol in his hand.

Q. Were you standing in the front row? A. Behind a little boy—I was about six feet from them when I first saw them going into the middle of the road—as they went into the road they were on the right of me, not far away from me.

COURT. Q. Which side of the road were you? A. Facing the railings of the Green-park, I believe they call it, on the side by St. James's-park—I do not know the names of the places.

MR. HORRY. Q. You say you stood behind a little boy, was that little boy in the front row? A. Yes, immediately before me—I saw Dassett and Bean go into the road perhaps a few seconds after the third carriage passed—the carriage had quite passed—I was looking at the carriage—I did not see any body's arm present a pistol—if in the direction I was looking towards the carriage any body had presented it, it is probable I must have seen it—I am a stranger to Bean, and all the parties—Dassett and Bean were separated after they had left the two policemen, and were going down the middle of the mob—Bean was going along by the side of Dassett—I did not hear him say any thing to Dassett—he might have gone away at that time—there was nothing to prevent him—there was a crowd of some hundreds of people—nobody had hold of him, that I saw, and I believe not—I followed the parties down—I headed them—I went before Dassett and Bean—I might have been a few yards from them—I saw Dassett playing with the pistol—he held it in his hand, turning it over—he was turning it round—I did not see him playing with it—he was turning it over, examining the pan and the whole of the pistol—he appeared to me to be treating the matter very lightly, laughing, and smiling—the people about were laughing, and smiling, and joking too, and among them, myself, as far as smiling went—I went before them—my back was turned to them—I saw them by turning round occasionally.

Q. How far did you go down the road with them? A. As far as the station—the people were laughing.

MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL. Q. I understand you to have been on the side towards St. James's-park? A. Yes, fronting the railing—my back was towards St. James's-park, to the railings of the inclosure—I was on the same side with Dassett and the prisoner—I was not in front—there was only one between us, who was a boy, rather short—I saw neither of them till they left the line—I know what part of the line they were in, because they moved from the right hand of me—I did not see them standing in the line—the first I saw of them was going towards the middle of the road—that was a few seconds after the last carriage had passed.

JURY. Q. You speak of hearing laughing, did that occur before this

transaction, or after? A. After—I heard no laughing before—it seemed to be general.

THOMAS BOSPHER . I am a painter, and reside at the Running Horse Duke-street, Grosvenor-square. I was present in St. James's-park on Sunday, the 3rd of July, and saw the prisoner there and Dassett—I noticed them about ten minutes, or more, before the Royal carriages came up—I was standing about three feet distant from them—I particularly noticed Bean—I noticed him as having a pistol in his hand—he held it very carelessly in his hand, the stock in his hand, and the muzzle inclining towards the ground, on his right side, in his right hand—I was about three feet behind him—this attracted my attention, and I observed him—after the carriages had passed I saw Dassett lay hold of his arm—the carriages had at that time passed thirty or forty yards, as near as I can possibly say—Her Majesty's carriage, which was the last, had passed that distance, to the best of my recollection—I do not speak positively—had the prisoner at the bar presented the pistol, as he is charged, I certainly must have seen it, unless I was blind—my attention was drawn to him at the time—he never did present it—I saw Dassett take hold of his arm, and take the pistol out of his hand, and turn the pistol round in this way—I cannot say whether he raised Bean's arm in taking it from him.

COURT. Q. You say you saw him take the pistol from him, and hold it up? A. He took hold of the prisoner with intent to take the pistol out of his hand, by turning it this way.

MR. HORRY. Q. While it was still in his hand? A. While it was still in his hand—he took it out of his hand—as soon as he took it out of his hand, he advanced towards the policeman, who was passing at the time, using the words, "Here is a lad wants to have a pop at her Majesty"—after what had been said to the policeman, I turned round with the policeman, who treated it with a smile, as I did myself—with that I advanced towards my home, towards Constitution-hill—as I suddenly turned round, I saw the prisoner proceeding with Dassett towards St. James's-palace—at that time nobody had hold of him, to my recollection—he appeared as if he could have got away.

MR. SOLICITOR GENERAL . Q. What do you say you are? A. A painter, a journeyman—I have been out of employ for the last three months, and was out of employ at that time—I was taking a walk in the Park, the same as any person—I am not in employ now—I have been since—I have been employed four days opposite Marylebone police-court, for a man named Nicholson, residing in Exmouth-street—before that time I had been at work for a master—builder, residing in Park-street—that is about eight months ago—I have been out of work from eight months ago down to the present time—I merely went to walk through the Park—I did not expect to see the Queen—I did not know of her going to church till I was in the Park—there was a great congregation assembled in a line—I had no friend with me—I took my station not a great way from the grand entrance of Buckingham Palace, where the Queen came out, not a great way from the gate—I could see the Queen come from the gate of Buckingham Palace where I stood—I cannot say How far I was from the gate—it was about the first seat from Buckingham-gate—I have been in the Park before—I was in the part opposite the gates of the Palace, in the road leading down to St. James's Palace—there is a row of trees—I cannot say whether the scat is at the end of the trees—I cannot say how

far I was from the gate of the Palace—as near as I can guess, it may be forty or fifty yards, more or less, it was further than across this Court—I saw the three carriages come out—I saw the pump, or watering place—I may have been ten or twelve feet from there, to the best of my recollection, towards St. James's Palace—I was on this side of the pump—the seat from the pump—I was on the other side of the pump from the Palace, nearer St. James's.

Q. Do you mean you could see the carriages coming out there? A. I could see the grand gate—I cannot say How far that is from the gate turning into St. James's Palace—I saw the carriages turn into the Palace—I saw the prisoner at the time I saw the carriages coming out—I kept my eye on him during the whole time—I looked at the carriages, but still had my eye on him.

Q. What made you keep your eye on him? A. Seeing him in the position he was, with the pistol—I did not mention it to anybody—I did not say any thing to him.

Q. Did not you point out a person with a pistol in his hand to the persons near you? A. I had not the opportunity, because Dassett had taken hold of the prisoner—I saw him before that, but did not mention it to any one.

COURT. Q. Did it not strike you as extraordinary, that a boy should have a pistol in his right hand, in a great crowd, while the Queen was passing? A. It did—I waited to see the result of it.

MR. SOLICITOR GENERAL . What do you mean by saying you were not able to tell any body of it, for Dassett took him? How long do you suppose you had him in sight with the pistol? How long do you suppose you saw him? Witness. Do you mean before the carriages passed, or before Dassett took hold of him?

Q. Before Dassett took hold of him. A. I saw him, it might have been a quarter of an hour or twenty minutes before—I had seen him with the pistol in his hand all that time, and kept my eye on him—he held the pistol in his hand the whole time, by his side—I was about three feet from him—I cannot positively say whether any one was between me and him, I cannot recollect—of course the people were round, but for to say who was between me and him I cannot—there were several people round the prisoner, they were drawn up at various places round him; but to say who was, or was not, round, I cannot say—I cannot say whether any one was between me and the prisoner—several persons were standing near me—I did not point him out to them—I was standing by the side of the prisoner, not before him—I was standing to his right, about three feet from him—I saw Dassett, he seemed to be standing in front of the prisoner—I cannot say whether he was nearer to him than me—I did not see Dassett before I saw him standing near the prisoner—how long that was before I saw Dassett take the pistol from him I cannot positively say—I am sure I saw him—nothing out of the common way made me observe him, I noticed him, that was all—to the best of my recollection he was standing rather nearer to the prisoner than me, but I cannot say—he was standing in front of the prisoner, to the best of my recollection—immediately before him—I was standing by the side of him—I cannot say whether any one was between me and the prisoner—I saw Dassett take hold of his arm, after the carriages had passed about thirty or forty yards—the carriages had passed thirty or forty yards before I saw

him take hold of the prisoner—the last carriage passed, as near as I can tell, about twelve o'clock—it might be five or six minutes after the last carriage had passed that I saw Dasset take hold of him—I cannot say the time exactly—to the best of my recollection the distance was thirty or forty yards, and to the best of my recollection it was four or five minutes after the carriage had passed—I was standing looking on, looking at the prisoner—I continued to look at him after the carriage had passed; and, as I have before described, saw Dassett take hold of the prisoner's arm after the carriage passed—Dassett was standing in front at the time—he took hold of his arm, by turning round in this position—he turned round and took hold of him—he was standing between the prisoner and the carriage, which had passed, and I by the right side—I saw the whole of the carriages—I did not notice whether any body was with them—I noticed that there were three carriages.

Q. Did you see the boy get away? A. I saw the boy walk, as I before described, walking down towards St. James's Palace, very leisurely, after what had occurred, as if he might have gone away if he chose—Dassett was walking down in company, but whether he had hold of the boy I cannot say—I cannot tell whether he was walking before, or behind, or by his side—I saw the boy go down the park, Dassett was in company with him—I did not see him go away without Dassett.

COURT. Q. Did you see him when he quitted Dassett's company, in the park? A. I did not; the last I saw of him he was walking with Dassett.

MR. SOLICITOR GENERAL . Q. You did not see Dassett taken into custody? A. I did not—I returned towards my home, by Constitution-hill—I resided at the time in Brown-great, Grosvenor-square—I did not hear of these inquiries till next day, when I took a walk in the park—I was walking towards the Horse Guards, and saw an assemblage of people at the Home-office—I inquired what it was all about, and then heard—I gave information at the time—the statement I made was, that I wished to see the boy's father—I did not see the father at the time—I went to the Home-office, but it appears I could not see the boy's father.

Q. Did you give information to anybody at the Home-office? A. I gave information, near the Home-office, to the boy's uncle—I do not know who his uncle is—I gave the information that day—I was not taken before anybody at the Home-office, nor before the Magistrate—I was not examined by an attorney before I came here, not at all.

MR. HORRY. Q. You did not know anything at all of what was going on till next day? A. Not till next day—I saw an assemblage of people by the Home-office, and made inquiry what it was about—I said I wanted to see the father—a person spoke to me—I went towards the police-office, and saw a policeman—I said something to him—it was a policeman of the A division—it was near Gardener's-lane station—I told that policeman I wanted to find the residence of the father, and gave him a reason in relation to this transaction—I learnt the father's address, after I left the policeman, by communicating with the uncle—I communicated with the father, and told him what I had seen.

Q. As far as you can judge, what distance were you standing from Buckingham Palace and St. James's Palace? were you standing between the two? A. Between the two palaces—I was standing near the first seat from Buckingham-palace—I could see the gate of Buckingham Palace by turning my head in that direction—I did so when I saw the carriages

—I saw them coming along the road up to where I was standing, and where Bean and Dassett were—having seen them together, as I have described, I left them.

Q. At the time you saw Bean with the pistol by his side, did you see Dassett before he took his arm? A. I observed Dassett a moment or two before he turned round to take the pistol away—I did not see Dassett move before that—I had only seen Dassett a minute or two before he took hold of the arm.

COURT. Q. Attend to me. You went originally to take a walk in the Park? A. I did, and afterwards heard Her Majesty was going to church, and placed myself where I might see the carriages—I saw the prisoner for ten minutes or a quarter of an hour before the carriages came out—all that time he had the pistol in his right hand, the stock in his hand, and the muzzle down towards the ground—his right hand was towards me—he had the pistol in his right hand—his right side was towards my left—we were both looking towards the road.

Q. You stated just now that you did not take any notice of it to anybody else, because you waited to see the result? A. Yes—the result was, whether any attempt, as described, might have been made.

Q. Then you thought it probable, seeing a boy in that situation, and knowing the Queen's carriage was passing, that some attempt might be made? A. I did not know—my attention was drawn to the prisoner, seeing him in that way—I thought it likely some attempt might be made—I could not say whether he was waiting to make an attempt on Her Majesty—I was looking on, the same as another might, to see the carriages pass—I could not say whether an attempt might be made.

Q. Did you wait to see whether he would do it or not? A. I waited to see whether it might be; whether he would do it, it was not for me to say.

Q. If you saw the boy with a pistol in his hand ten minutes, and was waiting to see the result, and that result you thought possibly might be some attempt on Her Majesty, How came you not to interfere yourself, and take hold of him? A. My Lord, I had not the self-possession, at least, I did not think anything of doing anything of that—I did not know whether there was mischief in it or not.

Q. Did it not occur to you to have gone to the boy and said, "What are you going to do?" A. I did not give it a thought—I looked at the carriages, but still looked at the boy, expecting some result.

JURY. Q. Did you see Dassett offer Bean into custody of the policeman? A. I did—that was five or six minutes after the third carriage had passed—I was near enough to see if Bean had raised the pistol at Her Majesty's carriage—I must have seen it, unless I was blind.

JOHN GRAY . I am the prisoner's uncle. I was in the Park on the 4th of July, near the Home-office, awaiting my nephew's examination—I saw Bospher there, and spoke to him—there was a quantity of people round at the time—knowing the result, and hearing Bospher say he wished to know where the father of the boy lived, I noticed what he said, and after he separated from the people there, I told him I knew where the father lived—I took him to the father—I have known the prisoner from his birth—I always considered him a mild and peaceable youth.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. What day of the examination at the Home-office was it that you saw Bospher? A. On the Monday—I never got Bospher to

attend at the Home-office to state what he knew—he told me what he knew.

Q. And you never got him to go before the Secretary of State to tell it? A. No, by no means, being a total stranger, I could not do it, because I did not know where to find him—it was on the Saturday after that he went to my brother, when I promiscuously met him—I did not tell him at first where my brother lived—he gave me his address by word of mouth, and I could not recollect it—I thought to bear it in mind, but could not—it was somewhere near Oxford-street—I cannot write well—I was in search to find out where he was, and on the Saturday, promiscuously, as I was coming past the end of Oxford-street I met him, knowing him to be a remarkable person from his features, and then I took him home to the father.

COURT. Q. That was the Saturday following? A. Yes—at that time I did not know what he had to say.

JOHN WILLIAM BEAN . I am the prisoner's father. I first saw Bospher on the Sunday after the occurrence had taken place in the park—I have not been able to employ an attorney in this case—I did not know How to take witnesses before a Magistrate, or anything of the sort—I first heard what Bospher could state on the Saturday—my son was committed on the Wednesday—his conduct has always been particularly mild, peaceable, and inoffensive.

(David Hilton, a newsman, of Penton-street, Pentonville; John Bickley, a watch finisher, White Conduit-fields, Islington; and Jabez Elliott; also deposed to the prisoner's good character.)

GUILTY on 2nd Count. Aged 17.— Confined Eighteen Months in the Penitentiary.

First Jury, before Mr. Recorder.