Old Bailey Proceedings Online (www.oldbaileyonline.org, version 8.0, 23 May 2018), June 1796, trial of ANTHONY CHANDLER JOSEPH SALMON (t17960622-38).

ANTHONY CHANDLER, JOSEPH SALMON, Theft > theft from a specified place, 22nd June 1796.

423. ANTHONY CHANDLER and JOSEPH SALMON , were indicted for feloniously stealing, on the 29th of April , six wooden boxes, value 6s. and 900lb. weight of tin plates, value 17l. in a barge, called the Greenfinch, lying on the navigable River Thames , the property of Hercules Lovegrove .

Second Count. Laying it to be the property of the Company and Proprietors of the Thames, and other Canals .(The case was opened by Mr. Knapp).

JOSEPH SILLS sworn.

Examined by Mr. Knapp. I am in partnership with Mr. Sills, my father; I was at Abingdon in April last.

Q. Do you remember any tin plates, and how many being delivered to Mr. Lovegrove? - A. Yes; Eight hundred and forty-seven boxes, to bring them to London, to the Hamburgh wharf; I delivered them myself; when we came to London, we found six boxes missing; I went to the Public Office in Worship-street, and saw these boxes.

Q. When was this? - A. About the 3d or 4th of May.

Q. Were they part of the boxes of tin plates you delivered to Lovegrove? - A. They were.

HERCULES LOVEGROVE sworn.

Examined by Mr. Knapp. Q. Do you remember any tin plates in boxes being delivered to you at Abingdon, by Mr. Sills? - A. Yes; about the 28th of April, I brought them to London, to the Hamburgh wharf, we unloaded all but six, which we could not find.

Q. When did you miss them? - A. As soon as we got them out; we were four days getting them out.

Court. Q. You came all the way with the barge from Abingdon? - A. Yes.

Q. Did any thing happen by the way? - A. No; we stopped of nights, we were about seven days coming; we have a man to watch in the night, we had always somebody on board.

Q. Might they not have been taken out at Wallingford, or any other place, by the way? - A. No, they were not taken out before; I should have missed them if they had.

Cross-examination. Q. You did not find out that they were gone, till you came to London? - A. No.

Q. You could not have missed them out of the barge? - A. I know they were not taken till we came to London.

Mr. Knapp. Q. Do you know Chandler? - A. Yes.

Q. Did you see him standing at the wharf when you came to London? - A. I saw him at the Bowling-pin, while we were landing the cargo, (the boxes were produced).

Q. If six such boxes had been taken out before you came to London, should you not have missed them? - A. Yes.

JAMES BEDELL sworn.

Examined by Mr. Knapp. Q. You were apprehended about some flax? - A. Yes.

Q. When you were before the Magistrate, you gave some account of these plates? - A. On the 2d of May, about half after four, Chandler came and called me up, and said, Jem, I have got a job for you to do; very well, says I, I will go and do it; I went and harnessed the horses, and went into the Strand, up to the Adelphi; I went under the archway of the Adelphi, to a dunghill, and there was Salmon and Chandler, and Salmon brought these six boxes from out of the arch-way, and put them into my cart; I drew them up into the Strand, they came with me, I said, I wanted something to drink; we went up into Covent Garden-market, and called at the Queen's-head, and had something to drink; Chandler said to me, lend me a guinea, my wife wants to go to market, I lent him a guinea; Salmon said, lend me a guinea, I did; they said, take these boxes home, and take care of them; I took them home to Hoxton, and put them into the stable with the horse; in the course of the day, Chandler came to my house, and said, if I would go with him, he would see what he could do with these boxes, and pay me the two guineas, and for the carriage; we went to a shop over Tower-hill, and he told a man he had some tin, but did not bargain there; coming through Long-alley, I said, here is a person deals in tin, one Ogden; I went in, and said, Ogden, here is a man has some tin, and he might have a bargain; Chandler asked him 11l. for it; he said, he would give it, if he could find a friend to purchase it; Chandler called upon me to go down to the old man Ogden; we went down, he said, he would purchase it, if he would take nine guineas, he said, he should have it, that was on the Friday; on the Sunday, he came to my house, and asked if he was to have the tin; I told him, Chandler was in trouble, I had the tin, I was frightened about it, I did not know what to do with it; on the Sunday, Salmon came up, and asked what I had done with the tin, I said, I had it, and did not know what to do with it; he said, he hoped I would not turn a rogue and tell of this; I did not know what I should do, I took it to the old man's on Monday, and when I was at the Magistrate's for the flax, I told of this.

Cross-examined by Mr. Jackson. Q. Which were you taken into custody for first? - A. The flax business.

Q. We had a little talk about the flax yesterday here, you went beyond the business of a carter, and undertook to sell the tin? - A. I only went to secure my own money.

Q. You had no suspicion about this, when it was taken out of the arch? - A. No.

Court. Q. At what hour did you carry these tin plates to Ogden's? - A. On Monday, about eleven o'clock.

Q. Salmon is a water-side porter? - A. Yes.

Q. Did you never employ him to do a job for you? - A. I never employed him in my life.

Q. What kind of porter was he? - A. A coal-porter .

Q. He plied at the wharfs? - A. Yes.

Q. You only saw the tin lying under the arch? - A. I did not see it till it was brought to me.

Q. After Chandler was in custody, did you take the tin to Ogden's? - A. Yes.

Q. Did you receive any money for it? - A. I did not receive any money for it.

Court. Q. At that time, did you know Chandler was in trouble about the tin? - A. He was in trouble about the flax and tin too.

Q. Have you been to Ogden's since? - A. I have never been to the man's house since.

Q. You never cautioned him to be in the same story? - A. No.

Q. You never sent something to those persons in prison? - A. No.

Mr. Knapp. Q. You were not the first person that gave the first information about the tin, to the Magistrate? - A. Yes.

JOHN ARMSTRONG sworn.

Examined by Mr. Knapp. I apprehended Chandler at Bedell's, in bed, on Saturday the 7th of May, in consequence of an information; I went to Ogden's house, this box of plates was open, and Ogden showed it me, the others were found by Wray.

JOHN WRAY sworn.

Examined by Mr. Knapp. I went to Ogden's house, and asked him if he had not some boxes of tin; I found the loose plates at his house, and I found, about 500 yards from his house, five other boxes, by his direction.

JOHN OGDEN sworn.

Examined by Mr. Knapp. I live in Long-alley, Moorfields, I am a tin plate worker; I know Chandler, I saw him at my house, I don't know the day of the month.

Q. Was it in May? - A. I believe it was.

Q. Was Bedell with him? - A. Yes.

Q. Was there any tin left at your house? - A. Part of a box was brought by Bedell, this is the tin in an empty box of mine, the others were in Crown-street, in a bottle-warehouse, I sent them there by Bedell; if I could get a friend, I was to buy them.

WILLIAM BLACKITER sworn.

Examined by Mr. Knapp. I am an officer belonging to Worship-street; I apprehended Salmon next door to the office, and took him to the back room, in custody with Bedell, he said to Bedell, you are a bloody rogue; he had a good mind to blow his brains out; Bedell said, he lent him two guineas.

Sills. These boxes of tin have all separate marks; the marks of the boxes were missing; as I counted the boxes I made a chalk mark, which remains on one.

Q. What is the value of the boxes? - A. I don't know any thing about it.

Q. What is the value of the tin plates? - A. Three pounds a box they are usually sold at.

Chandler's defence. I went with Bedell; he said he had bought some tin at an auction; I know nothing about it.

Salmon's defence. That man only throws the charge off himself to me. I know nothing of it; I went to the office myself; as soon as I got to the office the gentleman took me, and he ran away; I know nothing of the felony; that I put the things in the cart, I don't deny.

For Salmon.

ANN BROCKET sworn.

I have known Salmon five years; he has lodged with me, I never knew any other than that he was a very honest man.

SUSANNAH CANNON sworn.

I have known Salmon six years; he is a very honest, hard-working man; I live in the same house with him.

WILLIAM THACKER sworn.

I am a publican, I keep the Pitt's-head over the way; I have know Salmon ten years, he worked where I lived over the water, for a house I kept ten years; he is a very honest man, as far as I know; Bedell came with the cart on Sunday, in time of divine service, and knocked at the door; I would not let him have any beer.

JOSEPH PHILPOT sworn.

I am a coal-merchant; Salmon worked for us three or four years; I never knew any thing to the contrary of his being a perfect good character, as to honesty; I have trusted him with property, and never missed any.

Q. (To Lovegrove.) What is the name of the barge? - A. The Greenfinch.

Chandler, GUILTY . Death . (Aged 26.)

Salmon, GUILTY. Death . (Aged 35.)(Salmon was recommended by the Jury, to his Majesty's mercy, on account of his good character .)

Tried by the London Jury, before Mr. Justice BULLER.