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On the Queen's Commission of



The City, of London,





Held on Monday, June 25th, 1900, and following days,

Before the Right Hon. Sir ALFRED JAMES NEWTON , Bart., Alderman, LORD MAYOR of the City of London; the Hon. Sir EDWARD RIDLEY , one of the Justices of Her Majesty's High Court; Sir JOHN VOCE MOORE , Knt.; Sir JOSEPH SAVORY , Bart.; Lieut.-Col. and Sir HORATIO DAVIES, K.C.M.G., M.P ., Aldermen of the said City; Sir FORREST FULTON , Knt., Q.C., Recorder of the said City; Sir MARCUS SAMUEL , Knt.; WALTER VAUGHAN MORGAN , Esq.; and JOHN CHARLES BELL , Esq., other Aldermen of the said City; and FREDERICK ALBERT BOSANQUET, Q.C ., Common Serjeant of the said City; Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer and General Gaol Delivery, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.




W.H.C. MAHON, Esq.

J.D. LANDTON, Esq. Under-Sheriffs.



A star (*) denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars (**) that they have been more than once in custody—a dagger (†) that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.


OLD COURT.—Monday, June 25th, 1900.

Before Mr. Recorder.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-382
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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382. JOSEPH WHEELER (22) PLEADED GUILTY to stealing a watch from the person of Sidney Arthur Hunter;also to stealing a watch and chain and locket from the person of Joseph Henry Pentz;also to stealing a watch and chain, locket, and medallion from the person of Richard Norris.— Eighteen months' Hard labour.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-383
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceMiscellaneous > sureties

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383. GEORGE HUTCHINS (16) [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] , to breaking and entering the shop of Thomas Nielsum, and stealing a screwdriver and £1 4s. 6d., his property.— Discharged on Recongnisances.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-384
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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384. WILLIAM GEORGE CARPENTER (39) [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] , to stealing a cheque for £3 3s. 3d., the property of Edward Carpenter.— Six Months in the Second Division. And

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-285
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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(385) THOMAS HOBLEY (20) [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] , to stealing three post-letters, the property of H.M. Postmaster-General, he being employed under the Post Office.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-386
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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386. MARY ANN WEBB (57) , making a declaration well knowing it to be false in certain material particulars.

MR. JONES Prosecuted.

THOMAS HENRY NORRIS . I am a stage carriage driver, of 98, Horton Street, Kensington—I have known the prisoner since last year—she came to us on April 10th on a visit—she brought some pawn-tickets—she stayed two days, and on the second day when she was going away she pulled the tickets out of her pocket, and as the dates were drawing to a close for the last year's interest, said, "As you have been a great friend to me you can have the tickets. I cannot afford to get them out myself. I would rather you had them than anybody else, so do as you like with them"—in consequence, I went with my wife to pay the interest on this ticket for jewellery—we went to Mr. Ayres, of Hammersmith that night, and I paid £1 8s. 3d. for the last year's interest; that was on the same day that the tickets were given to me—I received a new ticket dated April 10th—I saw the jewellery on the counter and left it there—it had been pawned for £6 10s.—I kept the ticket; it was numbered 151—some time after that my

wife went to the pawnbroker with £2—the name on the original ticket was Eden; the prisoner told me that was the name of her first husband.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I was not going to purchase the tickets for £4—there were six or seven tickets altogether—I gave one of them for a wedding ring away to a friend, and the others I returned to you when you came to us again about April 10th.

ROSE GLADYS NORRIS . I am the wife of the last witness—I was present when the prisoner brought the tickets—she threw them down on the table and said as we had been so good to her she would as soon we had them as anyone as she said she had no money to reclaim them with—we took one of the tickets to Mr. Ayres the same evening, and paid £1 8s. 3d. interest and got a new ticket—we gave the other tickets back to her, with the exception of one, which we had given to a friend—on May 12th I went to Mr. Ayres again to pay £2 in order to lower the amount of the tickets, so that the interest would not come to so much—Mr. Ayres told me something.

Cross-examined. I gave you coal when you had no fire—you did not give me anything in return; what you gave me I paid you for—my husband and I did not promise to pay you for the pawn-tickets—I did not ask you for them; you threw them on the table.

GEORGE OSBORNE . I am manager to Charles Ayres, pawnbroker, of 251 to 253, Hammersmith Road—I remember the prisoner coming to the shop—I remember Mr. and Mrs. Norris coming on April 10th; I showed them the jewellery to which the ticket 151 referred; Mr. Norris paid £1 8s. 3d. interest, and I gave him a new ticket—on May 10th the prisoner came—she had pawned other things with us—she told me she had lost her ticket which related to some watches which had been pawned for £6 10s.—Lillie Lloyd was with her—the prisoner asked me for a form of declaration; this is it (produced)—(This stated that the prisoner had not sold or given the ticket to any person, and that she did not know where it was)—on May 12th she returned with the form as it now is—on the same afternoon Mrs. Norris called, and wanted to pay £2 towards paying for the jewellery which we still had in our custody—I told her that Mrs. Eaton had made a declaration—I did not take her money.

JOHN PAYNE (45T). I was present on May 10th, when the prisoner came to the West London Police-court to get a declaration to be signed by the Magistrate, John Rose Esq.—I stamped the declaration, and took it and the prisoner before the Magistrate—I asked her if she had sold, transferred, or given the ticket away; she said No—I asked her if the declaration was true, and she said it was.

GEORGE OSBORNE (Re-examined). When the interest was paid on April 10th I destroyed the old ticket.

ROBERT MARKHAM (Policeman, T). I served the summons on May 19th on the prisoner—she said, "There must be some mistake."

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate: I sold him the ticket, and he promised to pay me, but he has not. He has also taken my other ticket and redeemed the ring, and he has not paid me. A fortnight or three weeks later I called on him, and he said he could not pay me, and when I found he had taken the ring out I went and got the declaration.

to stop him getting the things out, to protect my own property until he paid me."

The Prisoner, in her defence, on oath, said that she gave Norris the tickets, and he promised to pay her £4 for them; that she took out the declaration, but did not know that it was so serious.

">GUILTY.—Recommended to mercy by the JURY. She received a good character.— One Day's Imprisonment.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-387
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Not Guilty > unknown

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387. THOMAS GALLETLY (25) and THOMAS THOMPSON (25) , Stealing three shirts, the property of the Great Central Railway, the masters of GALLETLY , who PLEADED GUILTY .

MR. RANDOLPH Prosecuted, and MR. BLACK Defended.

EDWARD MURPHY . I live at Glengarry Lodge, Woodford Road, and am employed by Foster, Porter & Co., of Wood Street—I checked the contents of a case which was sent to us on May 12th—it should have contained 10 3/4 doz. white shirts, but it only contained 10 1/2 doz.

ARTHUR REDFERN . I am in charge of the Aldersgate Street depot of the Great Central Railway Company, where Galletly was employed—the case No. 9, delivered to Foster, Porter & Co., was in transit on May 12th—I do not know where Galletly came from before he came to us.

Cross-examined. It is a rule that the men employed at depots shall not take parcels of their own into the yards.

FREDERICK SMITH . I live at 7, Prospect Street, Bethnal Green, and am a van boy employed by the Great Central Railway Company—on May 12th I was van boy on Galletly's van—he got orders to go to Farringdon Road—we went there and got three cases—they were a bit broken—we drove with them to Edmunds Place in Aldersgate Street—Galletly jumped down and took the shirts out. of the boxes, and put them into the bait sack—then he got a piece of paper, and wrapped them up and covered them up with a sack—then we went on our rounds and delivered the cases at Foster Porter's—we finished our round about 2 o'clock, when we met Thompson, who is a carman for the Midland Railway Company—we all drove to Whitecross Street, where they both jumped down, and went into a public-house, where they remained about half an hour—they came out, and we drove round to Edmunds Place, where Galletly handed a parcel to Thompson, who saw two splits—a split is a detective—Thompson jumped up into the van, and we drove to the yard—Thompson put the parcel into the van—the detectives came to the yard, and I showed them where the parcel was.

Cross examined. When the shirts were wrapped up you could not see what was inside the paper—I drove the van part of the way—I could not hear what conversation took place in the van.

ALFRED HUNT (City Policeman). About 4.30 p.m. on April 12th I was in Aldersgate Street with Police-constable Marriott—I saw a van standing in the road, and the prisoner and Galletly were sitting on the dicky—Galletly handed him this parcel, wrapped up as it is now (produced)—Thompson took it and wished him good-bye, and walked about two yards when he saw us; then he returned to the van and handed Galletly the parcel, and said something to him—Galletly took it from him, threw it into the van, and Thompson got into the van, and they drove

off hurriedly into Aldersgate Street and into the Great Central Company's yard—when we got there I saw Thompson coming out—I said to him, "Where is that parcel?"—he said, "What parcel?"—I said, "The parcel that carman gave you, and when you saw me you handed back to him?"—he said, "I do not know what you mean; I never saw the parcel"—I took him into the office of the Great Central Railway Company—I saw Galletly—he said he knew nothing about the parcel—Marriott then came in and produced this parcel—the prisoner made no reply to the charge—Thompson lives at 37, Camden Dwellings, King's Cross, and Galletly at the same place.

Cross-examined. Thompson knew me and Marriott, and I knew him to be a highly respectable boy.

EDWARD MARRIOTT (City Policeman). I was with Hunt on May 12th, and saw this van—we were both in plain clothes—I saw Galletly on the dicky of the van and Thompson standing on the footway—I saw Galletly hand him a parcel—Thompson saw us, and he gave the parcel back to Galletly, and they drove away—we ran after the van, and when I got to the yard I saw Thompson being detained by Hunt—Smith pointed out the place where the package was.

Thomson, in his defence, on oath, said that he did not know the parcel contained stolen property; that when he saw the detectives he asked Galletly if he had stolen the parcel, and he said he had, and he told him to drive away, or he would get into trouble; and that he said he did not know anything about the parcel because he did not want to get into trouble.

THOMPSON received a good character. NOT GUILTY . GALLETLY— Six Weeks in the Second Division.

NEW COURT.—Monday, June 25th, 1900.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-388
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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388. THOMAS GRAHAM (51) and ALEC WATSON (51) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. PARTRIDGE Prosecuted.

ROBERT GEORGE MALONEY . I was barman at the Ivy House, St. John's Road, Hoxton—on May 16th, about 6.30 p.m., Watson came in with a man, whom I do not recognise, and asked for a glass of beer, price one penny—he gave me a florin, I said that it was bad—he said, "Is it?"—I broke it in three pieces, and he paid me with a penny—I gave the pieces to Mr. Tepper.

ALBERT TEPPER . I am manager of the Ivy House—on May 16th Maloney brought me these pieces of a florin—both the prisoners were in the bar—I asked Watson if he knew that the coin was bad—he said "No," and asked mo to return it—I gave him the pieces, and they went away together down Ivy Lane and joined a woman—I followed them all up the road—the prisoners went into two public-houses, and the woman waited outside—I went into the public-houses, and, as far as I could see, they had a drink—I followed them to the Green Map, and saw a woman immediately opposite—they went in—I had spoken to a police officer, and he was following—I went in and saw one glass of ale

ordered—I spoke to the potman; he produced a bad florin, and I went out and gave it to the police, and the prisoners were arrested.

The Prisoner Watson. The woman asked me which was Harmer Street; I told her it was the second turning on the left, and she left me.

By the COURT. The two prisoners talked to the woman, and they joined and went to the Whitmore's Head, where the woman waited outside, and when they came out they went back to her, and all then went to the Green Man; but the woman stopped on one side, and they were on the other, and they crossed to the Green Man.

CHARLES MCEWAN . I was potman and barman at the Green Man—but am not now—on May 16th the prisoners came in—Graham asked for a half of four ale, price one penny, and gave me this florin—I gave him the ale and the change, and put the florin on a shelf where there was other money, but no other florin—I saw Mr. Tepper directly afterwards, and examined the florin with him, and found it was bad—the prisoners had then gone—I afterwards saw them at the Police-station.

WILLIAM JONES (48GR). On May 16th I followed the prisoners with Mr. Tepper—they went into the Whitmore's Head, and then into two other public-houses, and then spoke to a woman—they then crossed Hoxton Street, and went into a urinal, and the woman went towards Hoxton Street—they came out and went into the Green Man, and then Mr. Tepper went in—they came out, and then Mr. Tepper came out, and brought me this florin—I went up to them and told them they would be charged with uttering counterfeit coin—neither of them said anything about picking up a packet; they threw themselves on the ground, and struggled and tried to kick—I handed Graham over to another constable—he was charged with uttering counterfeit coin, but said nothing about picking it up—I found on him 1s. 6d. in silver and fivepence—Mr. Tepper pointed to a woman, and said he thought she was working with them—when they went to the King's Head she remained on the opposite side of the road—she was opposite the Green Man when they went in, and then she went on.

OLIVER THOMPSON (324G). On May 16th I saw the prisoners in Hoxton Street alone—Mr. Tepper was with the constable; he had given me information—the prisoners went into the Admiral Keppel, and came out and went down the road, and joined the woman for a minute, and then left her and crossed the road to a urinal, and when they came out they went to the Green Man—I saw Tepper go in; he came out with a bad florin—I took Watson; he threw himself down, and on the way to the station he attempted to kick—I found a penny on him—when Mr. Tepper gave me information in the street he mentioned a woman, and I saw her.

Cross-examined by Graham. She was on the other side—you were talking to her for about a minute.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . I am Inspector of coin to H.M. Mint—this florin is counterfeit; it is not a good imitation.

Graham's Statement before the Magistrate: "I was walking up South gate Road, and picked up a paper with two two shilling pieces in it; I gave one to Watson and kept one. I had no idea that they were bad. Watson said, 'I will have half a pint of ale with mine,' and he came out and said, 'Mine is a bad one'; I said, 'I will try mine'; I went into the Green

Man, and they gave me the change, and never said it was bad. I came out, and the constable detained me."

GUILTY .—Several previous convictions were proved against each prisoner.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour each.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-389
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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389. AGNES WHITBREAD (25) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. PARTRIDGE Prosecuted.

RICHARD WINGROVE . I am a greengrocer, of Gilbert Cottage, Heston—on May 18th I returned home from market in the middle of the day, and my wife gave me this coin (produced)—she is at home nursing a child who is ill with scarlet fever—she made a statement to me—I saw the prisoner that day at her lodging, 4, Ivy Cottages, Heston—she knew me—I asked her if she brought a bad 2s. piece to my place—she asked me to let her look at it—I did so—she said, "That is it, but I did not know it was bad"—I told her I wanted another in the place of it; if not, I should inform the police—she said that she would bring it on Saturday evening, and did so on the Monday—I said, "If you take my advice, you will destroy it"—she said that she would take it back to the man who gave it to her.

MARGARET WRIGHT . I assist my father at the Rose and Crown, Heston—on May 21st, about 9.30 a.m., the prisoner came in for half a pint of beer, and gave me this florin; I gave her the change, and she left—I put it where there were no other florins—two more customers came in; they would not take the coin, and I gave it to my father.

WILLIAM WRIGHT . I keep the Rose and Crown—on May 21st my daughter made a communication to me—I knew where the prisoner lived, and went there, but could not find her—I handed the coin to the police.

RICHARD HAZELL (151T). I am stationed at Norwood Green, Middlesex—on May 21st Mr. Wright handed me this florin—I searched for the prisoner, and met her in Haynes Road, Hounslow, about two miles from Heston—I asked her if her name was Agnes Whitbread; she said, "Yes"—I was in plain clothes—I told her I was a constable, and should take her for uttering counterfeit coin at the Rose and Crown, Heston—she said, "Not me!"—I said, "It was the one Mr. Wingrove gave you this morning"—she said, "I do not think I put that one down"—I took her to the station, and she was charged—she was with Edith Sutton, who said, "I know the man who gave her the coin"—she was remanded from Brentford for a week, and in the mean time I saw Sutton—she is here under the Home Secretary's order.

ELIZABETH PERKINS . I am matron at the Police-station, Norwood Green I searched the prisoner and found two pennies—she made no statement how she got the coin.

MR. JOHN WEBSTER . I am Inspector of coin to H.M. Mint—this coin is counterfeit.

Evidence for the Defence.

EDITH SUTTON (In custody). In May this year I lived at Ivy Cottages, Heston—on May 17th prisoner and I were together in the White Hart, and two soldiers went with us, and one of them gave the prisoner a two

shilling piece, out of which she gave me something—I remember her going to Mr. Wingrove's on May 18th to buy something, and in the evening Mr. Wingrove came and talked to her, and said that the money was bad, and in the morning I gave her the shilling I had had—I was with her on Monday, May 21st—I do not know whether she had any two shilling piece in her possession on the 23rd.

Prisoner's Defence: I took it out of my purse, without the slightest idea that I was doing wrong—I have never been charged before—I was in such a flurry I did not know what I was doing.


25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-390
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-391
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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391. FREDERICK STANTON (29) and GEORGE CLARK (30) [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] , to breaking and entering the warehouse of Nelson Barry, and stealing four boxes of cigars; having both been convicted of felony, Stanton at this Court on May 8th, 1899, and Clark at Clerken-well on October 4th, 1898. Other convictions were proved against them.— Four Years each in Penal Servitude. And

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-392
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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OLD COURT.—Tuesday, June 26th, 1900.

Before Mr. Recorder.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-393
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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393. HENRY BARRETT (28) PLEADED GUILTY to committing acts of gross indecency with Adrian Ring Picard, John Brizio, Harry Casper, and Arthur Ballard.— Two Years' Hard Labour.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-394
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentenceMiscellaneous > sureties; Imprisonment > hard labour

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MR. BRUCE Prosecuted.

WINFIELD— Guilty. He had been before convicted of a like offence.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-395
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment > hard labour

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395. ABRAHAM CROOT (19) and SAMUEL JOHN READ (35) , Stealing a cask of zinc, the property of Daniel Kennedy and others, the masters of Croot;Second Count, charging Read with feloniously receiving the same. CROOT PLEADED GUILTY .

MR. GRAZEBROOK Prosecuted and MR. HUTTON Defended.

JAMES DANIEL KENNEDY . I am a carman and contractor trading with another—Croot was our carman—I contracted to supply four horses to Messrs. Treggon & Co., metal merchants—on April 18th Croot was sent to them at Brewery Road, with a single horse covered van—he would be instructed by them as to what he was to do—he went again on April 21st, and a complaint was made to me.

FREDK. ALFRED ESQUILANT . I am a warehouseman to Treggon &

Co., of York Works, Brewery Road—on the morning of April 18th Croot came with his horse—the van was in the yard—we loaded up the van with a cask of zinc for him to take to the Royal Albert Docks—the cask was marked "S. H. & Co.," in a diamond, and the words Melbourne Wharf, and numbered 1217—I gave him this book (produced), in which the goods were entered, and which he had to get signed, he also had a shipping note which he should leave at the docks, and bring the book back—he returned in the evening with the book signed—"F. Blake"—there had been other goods in the van—on April 21st he came again, and I helped him to load up with three casks of metal for the Royal Albert Docks, marked "A. & R., Lyttleton, 354, 355, 356'—he took the book and shipping note as before, and returned with the book receipted, "A. Moore"—on May 2nd I made inquiries at the Royal Albert Docks, and found the four casks had not been delivered—on the Sunday week after I had been to the docks I saw Read at his shop—he keeps a kind of general shop, and has his name over the door—I went there with two police officers—I was pointed out some zinc which I identified as ours—it had our stamp on it—the police asked Read if that was some of it, and he said "Yes"—I did not hear them ask where he got it from.

Cross-examined. I knew the zinc by the mark and by the gauge.

CHARLES JIGGINS . I live at 21, Fisher Street, Barton Road, and am foreman at No. 3 Shed, Royal Albert Docks—I did not receive three casks of zinc on April 21st, consigned by Treggon & Co.; if we had, our checker would sign for them—we have no man named C. A. Moore.

WILLIAM MILLER . I live at 62, Creedon Road, Plaistow, and am export foreman at the Royal Albert Docks—we did not receive a cask from Treggon & Co. on April 18th—we have a man named Blake, but this is not his signature

THOMAS POWELL (Policeman, Y). On May 12th I received a warrant for Croot's a rest for stealing four casks of zinc—I arrested him on May 19th, at Dover—Read's shop is at 5, Pennyfields, Poplar—he is a marine store dealer—I was with Butters—I told Read that we were police officers, and I had a man in custody for stealing four casks of zinc about a month ago, valued at £29 3s. 3d., and he had made a statement to the effect that he had sold it at his (Read's) shop—I did not tell Read Croot's name—Read said, "I did buy some zinc of two men who came here and said they had had a good deal at a sale"—I then told him four casks had been stolen, one on April 18th and three on April 21st—he said, "I had the one cask two or three days before I had the three; I cannot say the date, or what I gave for it; I think about 10s. per cwt"—I asked him if he kept a ledger or account book; he replied "Yes"—we passed through the shop, and he pointed to some zinc which was standing by the back door, and said, "This is some of it; that is all I have got left"—we went into the back parlour, and he produced a ledger, and, after examining it for a few minutes, he said, "I do not think I could have entered it, or they must have brought a receipt"—I then called in Esquilant, who was in the roadway, and, on examining the zinc near the backdoor, he said, "That is some of the zinc that was stolen on the 21st."—I told Read he would be charged with receiving four casks of zinc,

value £29 odd, about a month ago, and we should search his premises—Butters found some more in a shop in the back yard, and the prisoner said, "Yes, that is some more"—I should say there was about 2 cwt. in the shed—Butters then called his attention to some new zinc on the roof of another shed—he said, "Yes, that is some more of it"—I told him he would be conveyed to the Caledonian Road Police-station and charged—he made no reply—at the station he was confronted with Croot, who said, "Yes, that is the man who paid me £2 and £6, and said, "If the police find you out, don't say I had it"—Read replied, "It is a lie."

Cross-examined. Read said he had bought ana sold zinc in the Cattle Market.

FREDERICK BUTTERS (Detective, Y). I went with Powell to Read's shop on Sunday, April 20th—I corroborate his evidence—on the 21st I again went to Read's shop and made a further search—I found six coils of telephone wire in a shed in the rear—they have been identified by the National Telephone Co.—I found 13 van ropes—three of them are identified by the prosecutor—they are used for tying loads to vans.

Cross-examined. There is a private mark on the ropes—there were some old teapots at the shop—I only saw one pewter pot—a marine store-dealer is required by law to keep a book in which the things he buys are entered—this book is the one which the prisoner calls his ledger (Produced)—there is only one entry in it, of April 20th—he said, "I cannot have entered it; he must have brought it here with a receipt"—I did not hear him say that he had placed the receipt in the book.

J.D. KENNEDY (Re-examined). I identified three of the ropes.

Cross-examined. We buy a coil of rope and cut it up into certain lengths—we turn it up and down, and then paint it across with red paint—we use and lose a great number of ropes.

HENRY WATSON . I live at St. James Road, Holloway—I know Croot—on April 21st I was out with him in his van—there were three packages of zinc and some other things—we went down to Read's shop, but drove past it—he left me and the van outside a public-house in the same street and he went back towards Read's shop, then he came back and drove right round the houses, and came back to the same public-house—I was in ✗she van all the time—he went to the shop again, then he came out again and told me to pull up at Read's shop—I helped him out with the three packages, and rolled them into the shop—the other goods were still in the van—we then drove away to Plaistow—I saw Read—I did not hear him say anything to Croot—Croot went right through the shop with Read, leaving me outside.

Cross-examined. I saw a bill in Read's hand—I could not see what took place inside the shop—I do not know where the bill came from—it was a piece of paper.

ABRAHAM CROOT (The prisoner). I am in the 4th Middlesex Militia. Regiment—on April 18th I was in the prosecutor's employment as a driver—I remember being sent on that day to the Royal Albert Docks with a cask of zinc—I took it to Read's shop and asked him if he wanted to buy it—I did not know him before—I took it to two other shops before I took it to him—he said, "Yes, I buy zinc"—he asked me for my name and address, which I wrote out on a piece of paper and gave him—

I gave him "29, Maylor Street, Caledonian Road"—he asked me how much a cwt. I wanted for it—I asked him the price of zinc—he said, "10s. a cwt."—I said, "Very well"—he gave me £2 5s.—I knew there was 4 1/2 cwt., as it was on the shipping note—he did not ask me where I came from—on the 21st I went again with three casks, which I also plead guilty to stealing—my master's name was on the side of the van in small letters—I told Read I wanted 12s. a cwt.—he said, "I cannot give it to you"—I took the casks away, and brought them back again—he said, "I cannot give you more than 10s.," and I left them with him for that, and he gave me £6—he did not ask me in whose employment I was, and I did not tell him—I divided the money between James and Henry Watson—they are horsekeepers—they did not suggest to me that I should do this—Read did not give me a receipt or anything; all he did was to take my name and address out of the book and look at it again—he did not ask me where I obtained the stuff—he took the weight from the note.

J.D. KENNEDY (Re-examined). The shipping note would be destroyed when it was brought back—it should have been left at the docks.

ALBERT CROOT (Re-examined). When Read gave me the £6 he said, "If the police find you out, don't tell them I had it."

Cross-examined. I made up my mind to rob my masters on April 18th—I had talked it over with Henry and James Watson the night before—I only went to Read's by chance—Watson and I and Read's man carried the zinc into the shop—Read did not come outside at all on the 18th—the van was a little way past the shop—I am sure I gave him no receipt for the money—I only gave him my name and address—Watson did not see me write it—he was outside with the van—Read put something else on the paper, and put it inside his book—he came outside with the piece of paper in his hand, and then went back into the shop—he did not come to the van—when I was arrested at Dover I had made up my mind to plead guilty—the police asked me where Read lived—I did not know they were going to arrest him—I thought they wanted his address to find the stuff—I did not know it was an offence to receive stolen property knowing it to be stolen—I thought Read was joking when he said, "Don't tell the police I had it"—the casks are fastened down with nails.

J.D. KENNEDY (Re-examined). The firm have sent me in an account for £39—I think the market price for the stuff is 18s. or 19s. per cwt.—some of it is 21s. 6d. when it is perforated.

F.A. ESQUILANT (Re-examined). The value of the zinc is from 27s. to 30s. per cwt., according to the market—it has not been less than 27s. during the last six months—the perforated is more.

By the COURT. I have never known the price as cheap as 10s.—the cheapest I have ever known it is 18s. per cwt.—the market price yesterday was about 27s.—the price appears in the public ledger, and on market days in the other newspapers.

Read, in his defence, on oath, said that he bought the zinc from Croot, who told him that he had bought it at a sale, cheap, that he did not know it was stolen, that he did not know where Croot came from, or to whom the van belonged, that he asked Croot if the zinc was his own and he said "Yes," and that the ropes he bought at the Cattle Market in March and paid 14s. for them.

Evidence for Reads Defence.

ARTHUR THOMAS . I live at 22, Mandeville Street, Marylebone, and have been employed by Read for nine or ten months—I remember Croot coming on the first occasion—I was in the shop when he came in—he said he had got some zinc for sale, would Mr. Read buy it?—Read said, 'yes, of course, he would'—Croot asked him what price he would give him, Read said 10s. per cwt.—Croot wanted 12s., and went away—he came back with the zinc and I unloaded it—there was one barrel on that occasion—Croot went away after being paid—I did not see what amount was paid—I saw Croot hand him a piece of paper—I was there on the second occasion when he came with three barrels, and they were bought under the same conditions.

Cross-examined. It was on the second occasion that Croot asked for 12s. per cwt.—I never heard Read say, "If the police find you out, don't say I had it."

By the COURT. When I opened the first barrel I was not surprised to find that it was new metal—I did not know the market value—I did not see whose van it was outside.

SAMUEL WHITE . I live at 39, Hatton Walk, Hatton Garden, and am employed by Mr. Read—I was in the Cattle Market in March, when he bought some rope—he paid between 13s. and 14s.—I took it to his house, one piece was sold.

GUILTY . He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction at this Court on May 18th, 1896— Five Years' Penal Servitude. CROOT— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-396
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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396. CHARLES BANNISTER (36) , Robbery on John Hefford, and stealing from his person £3, his money.

MR. HILL Prosecuted.

JOHN HEFFORD . I am a brass-founder, of 1, Louisa Street, Kingsland Road—on May 20th, the night after the relief of Mafeking, I was in Nuthall Street—I had been drinking a bit—I was seized by three men, two behind and the prisoner in front of me—a young woman came along and screamed—the other men ran away—I caught hold of the prisoner and held him—I took him down towards Hoxton with a friend of mine who came up, who said, "Why, it is Bannister"—there was no policeman there, and the mob pushed me away—the young lady picked up £1 7s. 5d.—I knew the prisoner before—on June 14th I went to the Police Station and saw him.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I wanted to lock you up instead of knocking you about, but I could not see a policeman—I should have killed you if the people had not taken me away.

FRANCIS GRAY . I live at 19, Wilmer Gardens, Hoxton—on May 20th, at midnight, I was going across Hoxton Street—I saw the prosecutor, who is my friend, struggling with the prisoner, whom I knew—I am sure he is the man—my friend was knocking the prisoner about, and I pushed him away—the prosecutor said he had lost £3—on June 14th I went to the police-station, where I saw the prisoner.

Cross-examined. I saw only the prosecutor knocking you about.

RACHEL WARD . I live at 1, Nuthall Street—on May 20th, about 1 a.m.;

I was in Nuthall Street, going home from the relief of Mafeking—I saw three men pounce on the prosecutor, and as I got nearer he called out, "Help! pick my money up"—I picked up £1 7s. 5d., which I gave him next morning—I did not see the men's faces.

ERNEST HOOK (Policeman G) At 6.30 on June 10th I went to Hoxton Police-station—I saw the prisoner, and said, "I am a police officer; you will be charged with stealing on May 20th from the person of John Hefford the sum of £3"—he said, "All right"—the witnesses were sent for—the prisoner said, "They give me something that night"—there were no traces of violence on him when I arrested him.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate: "I know nothing at all about it."

The Prisoner, in his defence, on oath, said that he did not know anything about it, and that he was insensible afterwards from the effects of the prosecutor's assaulting him.

GUILTY †.—He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony at Clerkenwell well on June 1st, 1896, and 12 other convictions were proved against him.— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-397
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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397. SAMUEL DUNN (35) , Stealing a purse and a photograph, and 34s., from the person of Beatrice Smith.

MR. WILSON Prosecuted.

BEATRICE SMITH . I am single, and live at 532, South Park Road—on May 27th, about 11p.m., I was waiting for a 'bus opposite London Bridge Station—I had just taken a penny out of my purse to pay my 'bus fare—there was 34s. and a small photograph of myself in my purse—I put it back into my pocket, and felt a hand at my back, and I saw a man jump on to another 'bus—I ran after it, and stopped it, and had the man brought down—it was the prisoner—I said, "You have got my purse; will you give it me? Never mind the contents; I am only a working girl"—he said, "I am only a working man; will you take a sovereign?"—he had a white band on his hat—there was another fellow with him, and he offered me his card, which I would not accept.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. One of the men who helped me to stop the 'bus stayed with you, and heard you offer me £1—I did not say to the other man that if he would give me back my purse I would not say anything about it—he ran away—I could not stop him.

By the COURT. I never got my purse—the prisoner was searched at the station, but it was not on him.

ALFRED HAZELL (Thames Policeman). On May 27th, about 11 p.m., I was on London Bridge in plain clothes—the prosecutrix turned to me and said, "My purse has gone; he has got it"—I saw the prisoner running away—I brought him back—he said, "Not me, sir; I am only a working man; I will give you a sovereign to square it"—the prosecutrix asked for her purse, and said that she did not mind the contents, and he offered her £1—I said I was a detective, and should take him into custody—I obtained assistance and took him to the station—in reply to the charge he said, "I am very sorry."

Cross-examined. You attempted to run away from the prosecutrix—She said there was another man with you and I saw him, but could not

catch him—you tried to get away from me before I told you I should take you into custody—the prosecutrix did not say she had lost £1; she said her purse contained £1 14s.—she said something about the other man at the station, but I do not know what, as I was sent out to see if I could identify the other man in the crowd—the other constable was present when you offered the prosecutrix £1.

HENRY GARRETT (City Detective). On this evening I was on London Bridge—I saw the prisoner detained by Hazell, and heard the prosecutrix accuse him of stealing her purse in connection with another man—the prisoner denied it, and then offered her a sovereign to square it, which she refused—I assisted the other officer to take the prisoner to the station—I found £1 6s. 4d. on him in gold, silver and bronze—he gave the name of Samuel Dunn, and I made inquiries at the address he gave, but he was not known—next morning I asked him why he gave that name, and he then said his name was Morgan.

Cross-examined. I found the address quite correct.

GUILTY .—He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony at Sandwich on October 22nd, 1897, and 11 other convictions were proved against him.— Three Years' Penal Servitude.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-398
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-399
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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(399) MARY JOHNSON [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] , to stealing a set of fish carvers and a case, the property of Nathaniel Fortescue; also to stealing 12 yards of silk, the property of Sarah Burne; she having been convicted of felony on June 6th, 1899—. Nine Months' Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Tuesday, June 26th, 1900.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-400
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-401
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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(401) WILLIAM JOHNSON (21) [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] , to stealing a watch and chain, the property of James Thomas Lane, after a conviction of misdemeanour at this Court in May, 1899. (See page 526.)

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-402
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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402. HENRY JAMES HANCOCK (57) , Feloniously marrying Ann Griffiths during the lifetime of his wife.


ALICE EMBDEN . I am a widow, of 43, Enmore Road, South Norwood—my maiden name was Alice Barrett—Sarah Barrett referred to in this paper (Produced) is my sister—I cannot identify her husband—I believe she lived with him about 12 years up to 1883.—I only saw her about once in five or six years—I saw her last August on a visit.

HENRY PEARSON (City Detective). In consequence of information I went to Lloyd's Bank, Fenchurch Street—building operations were going on—I saw the prisoner at the top of the building—I asked him if his name was Hancock—he said, "Yes,—I asked him to come downstairs, as I

wanted to speak to him—I told him downstairs I was a police officer, that I had information that he had committed bigamy, and that his wife would see him outside—he came outside; Mrs. Griffiths and Mrs. Hancock were there—both of them said, "That is my husband"—I took him to the station—on the way he said, "Is this got up for me? to-day is the first time I have seen my wife for nine or ten years; I thought she was dead; when I came out of Dartmoor I could not find anyone"—he was charged at the station, and said, "I could not find the whereabouts of my first wife; when I came out of Dartmoor I went to Somerset House and made inquiries for Sarah Ann Hancock; they gave me that death certificate, and I paid 1s. for it; at that time I thought my first wife was dead"—he was shown the search paper—the inspector who took the charge, pointing to Mrs. Hancock, asked the prisoner, "Is that woman your wife?"—the prisoner said, "Yes."

PAUL HARRY WHITE (City Police-sergeant 70). I took the charge against the prisoner—Sarah Hancock and Ann Griffiths were present—in reply to the charge the prisoner said, "I did not mean to do it; I went to Somerset House, and asked for the certificate of my wife's death, and they gave me this"—I drew his attention to the name "Jane Ann," and said, "You asked for a certificate of the death of Sarah, and they gave you this paper for Jane Ann"—he said, "yes"—I asked if he knew that woman, Hancock—he said, "Yes; that is my wife, Sarah."

ANN GRIFFITHS . I live at 118, Hurbert Grove, Stockwell—I am a widow—on July 9th, 1898, I went through a marriage ceremony with the prisoner at St. Barnabas Church, Guildford Road, South Lambeth—he said he had come from South Africa in December, 1897—when I met him he had just finished a job at Sherfield Manor, Basingstoke—he said he was a widower—when he spoke about marriage I asked him to give me proof of his wife's death—he said, "How can I give you proof?"—I said, "Give me a certificate of her death"—a few days afterwards he brought me this paper, which I thought was a copy of the certificate—I read it, and was satisfied—I kept it.

JOHN THOMAS COOMBER . I am head messenger at the General Registry Office, Somerset House—the paper produced is a form of application for search—it is partly in print—the writing is mine—I do not recollect it, but it is the usual practice to assist the applicant—the information is obtained from an index—I require the Christian name and the date of the death—the applicant must have given me some particulars, or else I should not have undertaken the search.

CHARLES BARRETT . I am a shipwright, of Cliff Cottage, Swanscombe, Kent—I am Sarah Hancock's brother—I visited the prisoner in November, 1895—I told him his wife had met with an accident, and cut her arm, when she was with us at Northfleet—I left him my address—he lived with my sister 15 to 20 years—they had a large family—before the accident she had been living in service in Commercial Road, some years after she left her husband—this letter is the prisoner's writing—I received it by post—it is dated October 15th, 1897—the words, "I am sorry to hear about Sarah," refer to my sister—the prisoner had been corresponding with me, and I told him she had an accident—I have not seen him since the letter—he knew where to find me—after leaving Northfleet I lived at Stone,

about three miles nearer London—I have lived in that neighbourhood all any life.

The Prisoner, in his defence, on oath, stated that he believed his wife was dead, and went to Somerset House, and paid 1s. for a paper he could not read, but with which everyone seemed satisfied.

GUILTY .—He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of bigamy in December, 1885, at this Court, in the name of Harry Hancock; and a conviction, in 1892, was proved against him of indecent assault— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-403
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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403. CHARLES PETTIFER (30) , Assaulting Frederick Hearn, and causing him actual bodily harm.

MR. PASMORE Prosecuted.

FREDERICK HEARN . I have no home—on Monday, June 4th, about 10 p.m., I went to a barn for shelter with a lad named George Smith—we lay down and went to sleep—I was awakened by being beaten with a stick—I got up—the prisoner knocked me down by striking me across my eyes with a stick—he said, "I have got you now, and you have got to go through the mill"—I got to my feet again, and received another blow—I fell forward on my face—the prisoner held on to me and knocked me about a considerable time with his fist—afterwards I got over the gate, and made my way to the Police-station—Smith stopped in the barn with the prisoner—I know the prisoner—two others were with him—they hit me once or twice—I was in the workhouse infirmary till Saturday—the two other men had sticks—they kept Smith back from interfering—Smith waited till two constables apprehended the prisoner.

ARTHUR SMITH . I am a labourer—I was with Hearn in the barn at Edgware on June 4th—we lay down and went to sleep—about 10.30 p.m. the prisoner, with two other men, came in—the prisoner called out, "Now then,Snubby, I have got you; you will have to go through the mill this time"—the prosecutor got up to defend himself, and was knocked down—I could not see whether a stick was used—the prisoner had this stick, and the prosecutor this stick (Produced)—the two other men prevented my going to the prosecutor's assistance—this was the first time the prisoner's stick was used—I could see it was fresh cut—Hearn went to the Police-station—I was told if I attempted to move out of the barn they would settle me—I stopped there till about 1.30 a.m., when the police came and arrested the prisoner—he said, "Look what he and his pals gave me a month ago"—I accompanied them to the station.

ROBERT BUCK (Police Sergeant, 95 S). I was station sergeant at Edgware on January 5th—at 1.30 a.m. the prosecutor came to the station—he was covered with blood—his shirt was a complete mass, and there were wounds on his face and head—he fainted directly he got into the station, after telling me what had occurred—I sent for a doctor, and then went to the barn, when I saw Smith, the prisoner, and three other men—Smith appeared to be awake, the others asleep—I woke the prisoner up, and said to Smith, "What is up here?"—he said, "The accused has assaulted my mate; he has been Knocking my mate about"—I said, "What did the others do for him?"—the prisoner replied, "Oh! they did not touch him, only me. All he has got I gave

him. Look what him and his pals gave me a month ago. I have now had my own back"—I took him to the station—on the way he said, "I heard when at Epsom he was asleep there, and I came over on purpose to give him what he has got"—when charged he said, "No, not with a stick, I done it with my hand"—these two sticks were between his legs as he was lying down—as he rose he brought them up in his hand, and I took possession of them.

FREDERICK EARLE . I am Divisional Surgeon at Edgware—I was called to the Edgware Police-station on the early morning of June 5th—I examined the prosecutor—I found him suffering from a severe cut on the cheek, one on the top of his head, and a fractured rib—I dressed the wounds, and ordered his removal to the workhouse infirmary—the wounds would probably be caused by a stick, and the fractured rib by being kneeled on—the wound on the cheek was caused by this stick, the other would have caused more bruising—the rib was recently fractured.

The Prisoner, in defence, said that seven weeks previously Hearn, a man Wright, and another man, beat him with sticks, and he said he would get his own back, and that he hit the prosecutor with his hand, but never with his stick.

GUILTY .— Six Months' Hard Labour.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-404
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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404. WILLIAM BEAMISH (35) , Robbery with violence on George-Langham, and stealing 30s., his money.

MR. FISHER Prosecuted, and MR. BURNIE Defended.

GEORGE LANGHAM . I am a commission agent for fruit and flowers at Crown Court, Drury Lone—on Saturday, May 19th, I was coming along Russell Street, and turning into Crown Court about 3.44 p.m., just past the archway, I got a tap on my shoulder—I turned and saw the prisoner and another man—the prisoner said, "Give me some money"—I said, "I have no money to give"—he bashed me in the mouth, and knocked two of my teeth out with his fist—the other man hit me, but not so hard—the man I cannot recognise held my arm—the prisoner went down my pockets and took my money out—I had 35s. to 40s. in silver—some fell on the stones, and a little girl afterwards brought 3s. 6d. to my wife—I screamed "Police!" and "Murder!" and the men ran away—I went home, three doors off, washed my mouth, and then to the station, and reported to the police—I identified the prisoner after his arrest on the Wednesday.

Cross-examined. A man named Barrett was taken into custody and remanded for a week—I said I thought he was the man—I was coming from Covent Garden Market—I had been buying fruit and flowers—I had only been into one public-house that day, two or three times—it was a restaurant—the prisoner was on the right—he took my money—I was sober.

ELIZA COSTELLO . I am the wife of James Costello, of 24, Crown Court—on May 19th, about 3.40 p.m., I saw the prisoner strike Mr. Langham on his mouth with his fist as he was walking up the court with his hands behind him—there was another man with Beamish—they took hold of his arms and robbed him—I saw both of them put their hands into both his pockets—I saw money in their hands, and some drop on the ground—

they pinned Mr. Langham's arms—he halloaed "Murder!" and "Police!"—I was at my bedroom window on the second floor—I can swear to Beamish—it was done right in front of me—I identified him at the Police-station immediately—the window is 18 ft. to 20 ft. from the ground—it was open, and I was leaning out—the other man was on the left, Beamish on the right—I think Barrett was the other man—4s. 6d. was picked up, 6d. in my area, by some children, and taken to Mrs. Langham.

Cross-examined. I told the Magistrate I was sure of both men—the other man was discharged—he took the money out of the prosecutor's pocket and dropped some on the pavement—the prisoner was in front when he knocked Langham in the mouth—I said before the Magistrate I could not be positive whether both put their hands in his pocket, but I was positive Barrett did.

ALFRED BALL (Detective-Officer). On May 19th, about 6 p.m., I received information from Mr. Langham that he had been assaulted and robbed by two men, of whom he gave a description—he was sober—I made inquiries, and from information I received at 2 a.m. on 22nd, I went to 8, Clare Court—I saw the prisoner in the first floor front room—I told him I was a police officer, and that I was going to take him into custody for robbing Mr. George Langham of about 30s. on Saturday afternoon in Crown Court—he said "I can tell you it is all a mistake"—I took him to Bow Street, where he was detained—he was placed with a number of other men and identified by Mr. Langham and Mrs. Costello—he was then charged, and made no reply.

Cross-examined. Three girls under 12 were brought to pick out Beamish—Mrs. Costello picked out Barrett—the prosecutor picked out another man before he picked out Barrett.

GUILTY . He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony at St. Mary's, Newington, on May 2nd, 1881. Three other convictions were proved against him.— Fifteen Months' Hard Labour.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-405
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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405. CHARLES ROBERTS, alias CORNELIUS TOOMEY (40) , feloniously attempting to commit an abominable crime with John Everitt.

MR. BLACK Prosecuted.

GUILTY of a gross act of indecency.— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.—Wednesday, June 7th, 1900.

Before Mr. Justice Ridley.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-406
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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406. ALFRED HIGHFIELD (21) was indicted for and charged, on the Coroner's Inquisition, with the wilful murder of Edith Margaret Poole.



LORENA CORENGIER . I am the wife of Joseph Corengier, of 25, Margaret Street, Clerkenwell—the deceased was my sister, and at the time of her death was 19 years old—she had been a domestic servant, and at the time of her death was a housemaid at the Temple Bar Restaurant in the Strand—she lived there—our mother lives at 15, White Horse Alley, Clerkenwell—my brother, James Poole, occupies the room

upstairs in the same house as myself—the prisoner has been keeping company with my sister for five or six years—he used to work at the Westminster Brewery, and he has been a barman at various public-houses in London—they were to be married on next August Bank Holiday—last Easter Monday, April 16th, my sister had a whole holiday, and they went to the Crystal Palace, I believe, after which she made a statement to me—on Sunday, May 13th, I was expecting her to come to dinner with me—she came about the middle of the day and had dinner, and spent the afternoon with me and my husband—I did not see the prisoner that day till about 5 o'clock, when he came to see my brother—he was in the house when I saw him—I did not see him come in; I called him down from my brother's room, and he came downstairs—my sister was still with me—it was in consequence of what she had said to me that I called the prisoner down—he came into our room; he shook hands with my husband and with my sister—he said to her, "Why is it that you have not seen me?"—he made no reply—we then all had tea—my sister and the prisoner talked together, and after tea he asked her if she intended to go out with him any more—she said, "We had best part"—he stood up and said, "I am done"—then my sister and the prisoner and my husband and myself went out together for a walk, in the direction of Mrs. Negus' house, in Milman Street, Bedford Row—as far as I know, nobody asked the prisoner to come with us—we all went to Mrs. Negus'; she was not quite ready to come out, and while she was getting ready we all four went into a public-house at the corner of Great James Street, Bedford Row—this was about 7.30 or 7.45—we all had something to drink; my sister had a small glass of stout, and the prisoner a glass of mild bitter—we were in the public house about 15 minutes—my sister and the prisoner were together during that time—I saw that they were talking; they seemed friendly—I could not hear what was said—they had walked together from my house to Mrs. Negus' behind my husband and myself—Mrs. Negus came into the public-house and had something to drink, and then we all five left the public-house and walked in the direction of Great Queen Street—me and my husband and Mrs. Negus walked in front, and the prisoner and my sister about eight or 10 yards behind—as we were walking along Great Queen Street I heard Mrs. Negus say something—I turned round and saw my sister on the ground, and the prisoner on top of her—I thought he was punching her—I had not heard any noise behind us up to that time—I and my husband and Mrs. Negus ran back to where they were, and I said to my sister, "What has Alfred done to you"—she could not answer—Mrs. Negus pulled the prisoner off her—I went up to him and said, "What have you done? You have killed my sister"—he said, "I know what I have done, and I don't care if I die for it"—my husband also went to my sister—it was not light enough to see where she was injured, but someone lit a match, and then I saw blood running from her throat—some people came up and assisted us, and she was taken to King's College Hospital, where she remained till May 22nd, when she died—I saw her from time to time.

Cross-examined. I believe the prisoner is 21 or 22—he and my sister were quite children when they began keeping company—he seemed very fond of her—I knew they were saving up their money to provide a little

fund upon which to live—he made her presents from time to time; some rings and other things—there was an engagement ring—she was not wearing it at the time—I believe she had pledged it—she never told me she was a member of a clothes club at her situation—they did not meet after Easter Monday, as far as I know—I do not know that they met on April 18th or 19th—my sister had been at the situation in the Strand a fortnight before this happened—she had been in some other employment between April 30th and May 13th—I remember saying before the Magistrate on May 25th, "I went up to Highfield, who was standing by, held by Mrs. Negus, and asked him what he had done to my sister; he said, 'I know what I have done; that is all I heard.'"

Re-examined. I did not see anything of the prisoner on Saturday, May 12th—my sister never told me that she had pledged her engagement ring—my mother told me that she had heard so—at tea on Sunday the prisoner said to my sister, "You have not got my ring on," and she said, "I have got it."

JAMES RICHARD ARTHUR POOLE . I live at 20, Margaret Street, Clerkenwell—the deceased was my sister—I have known the prisoner about three years—I knew that he was keeping company with my sister—the last time I saw them together before May 13th was before Easter—on Saturday, May 12th, the prisoner came to my house in the evening and asked me if I had seen Tiny—that is my brother-in-law, Mr. Corengier—I said "No, I have not seen him"; he did not say what he wanted to see him for—we went out and walked towards my mother's house—we went as far as the Red Lion public-house—we had a drink together, and I left him—I said to him, "If you like you can come round to-morrow and have a cup of tea"—he had been to my house before, but very rarely—my sister had been there occasionally—they have come there together—on this Saturday evening there was no reference to my sister that I recollect—next day, Sunday, the prisoner came about 5 p.m.—I live in the upper portion of the house, and my sister, Mrs. Corengier, in the lower portion—he came up to my room—I did not let him into the house—I knew my sister Edith was in the house—after he had been with me a short time someone called him, and he went down—I saw him again about six on the landing outside my sister's room—I said to him, "How are things; all right, I suppose?"—I knew he and my sister had had a grievance—he said, "No."

Cross-examined. He had always seemed to be very fond of my sister—when I opened my door to him on the Saturday evening I said, "Hullo! how are you getting on?"—he said, "Rough"—I believed that to refer to his work—on the Sunday I knew Edith was downstairs, but I did not tell him so.

ESTHER NEGUS . I am the wife of Charles Negus, of Millman Street, Theobald's Road—I knew both the prisoner and the deceased—I have seen them out walking together—on Sunday, May 13th, the deceased came with Mrs. Corengier and her husband to go for a walk—I am not another sister—I met them afterwards in public-house, and we all went for a walk—I and Mrs. Corengier and her husband went in front and the prisoner and Edith behind—I had seen them in the public-house talking together—when we were walking I did not hear any

conversation—they were arm in arm—we went along Great Queen Street, and when we were near the Freemasons' Tavern I looked round and saw Edith on the ground, with the prisoner on the top of her—I had not heard any noise before—I thought he was punching her—I did not see his arm moving—I ran back and pulled him off, and kept hold of him till a constable came—as I pulled him off I saw him throw a knife away, as I thought—I said, "You have killed poor Edie"—he said, "I know what I have done"—I said, "What have you done it for?"—he said, "She has blighted my life, and I have blighted hers"—I followed the prisoner and the constable to the hospital—he was taken there before he was taken to the station.

Cross-examined. There was a good deal of confusion after this happened—what the prisoner said was said before the people came up—I noticed that his hands were bleeding—there was some blood on my clothes, off his hands—I had known the young couple about nine or ten months—they seemed very happy together.

ROBERT WILLIAM ATTO . I live at Fitzroy Court, Tottenham Court Road, and am a cab-driver—on Sunday, May 13th, I was walking in Great Queen Street with my wife about 8.30 p.m.—when we were about opposite the Freemasons' Tavern I heard screaming from the opposite side of the road—I saw a young man pushing another away, and I crossed the road, and found that the prisoner was the man who was being pushed away—the girl was lying partly on the pavement and partly in the road—I heard Mrs. Negus say to the prisoner, "You have killed my sister"—he said, "I cannot help it, if I die for it"—I then saw that the young woman's throat was cut—a constable arrived, and I said to him, "Take him, that is the man who done it"—after the constable had taken him away, I searched in the road for the knife—I found this razor (Produced) close to the kerb on the north side of the road, which was the opposite side to where the young woman was lying—it was half open; I closed it and put it into my pocket—I afterwards took it to Bow Street Police-station, and gave it to an inspector—I saw some stains on it, as it is now—they looked like blood-stains.

Cross-examined. I am nearly certain that it was Mrs. Negus who said, "You have killed my sister."

Re-examined. I am certain of the words, at any rate.

HARRY CHURCH . I live at Old worthy Square, Gray's Inn, and am a warehouseman—on Sunday, May 13th, I was in Great Queen Street about 8.30—I heard screaming, and saw a young woman on the ground, with a wound in her throat—I saw the prisoner being held by a young woman, and an old gentleman—somebody called him a scoundrel—he said, "You don't know what she has done to me," or "for me," I do not know which it was.

FREDERICK JAMES STRINGER (205E). On May 13th, about 8.45, I was called to Great Queen Street, to the Freemasons' Tavern, where I found the prisoner being held by somebody—Atto pointed him out to me, and said, "That is the man that has done it"—I took the prisoner into custody—he said, "I did it, and I don't disown it"—I took him first to King's College Hospital, to see the condition of the young woman, and then to Bow Street Police-station, and handed him over to the inspector

in charge—he did not say anything on the way—I searched him, and found this razor case (Produced)—it holds the razor which is produced—I found five or six letters and a photograph—this letter from the prisoner to the girl I found on him—the envelope is addressed, "To Edith, from Alf."

CHARLES CUTBUSH (Inspector, E). The prisoner was brought to me at Bow Street Police-station on the night of May 13th—in consequence of what the last witness told me I went to King's College Hospital and saw the deceased—I returned to the Police-station and said to the prisoner, "I have seen Edith Poole, detained in King's College Hospital, suffering from wounds in her throat"—I cautioned him and then said, "I propose to charge you with attempting to murder her; do you understand?"—he replied, "Yes"—he was charged—the charge was formally read over to him—he made no reply—this razor was brought to me at the station about then by Atto—about an hour afterwards I saw the prisoner in the cells at the station—he said, "Three weeks ago I lost my situation at the Westminster brewery Company over that girl; she aggravated me to-night, and in a fit of madness I did what I did"—I simply went to see him to see if he would like his friends acquainted with his position.

Cross-examined. He was in a dazed condition—he had two cuts on one finger and one on another, or on his thumb—a doctor was called in to dress them—I made a note of what the prisoner said.

Re-examined. When I say he seemed dazed I mean he seemed flabbergasted with the result of something—the wounds on his fingers were incised wounds.

ALEXANDER CRABB . I am a surgeon at 4, High Street, Bloomsbury—I was called to Bow Street Police-station on May 13th about 10.30—I examined the prisoner's hands and found them covered with blood—on washing the blood away I found two incised wounds on the right thumb, and one on the left index finger—they were not deep, only superficial—the wounds on the right thumb might have been caused by grasping the bottom part of the blade of the razor—they were U shaped.

GEORGE AUGUSTUS ROBERTS . I am House Surgeon at King's College Hospital—the deceased was brought there at 8.55 p.m. on May 13th, suffering from wounds in her throat—she was then almost pulseless—she lived till 12 p.m. on May 22nd—I attended her all the time—I made a post-mortem examination and found three wounds in the neck; one on the left side, starting from the middle line behind the ear, running downwards and forwards, about 4 in. long, and from 1 in. to 1½ in. deep nearly all the way—it was not quite so deep at the two extremities—there was one across the front of the neck, dividing the larynx from the upper part of the windpipe; that was right across the front of the throat and 3 in. long; another wound on the right side of the neck, starting about 1 in. from the middle line behind the ear, running downwards and forwards, but was only skin-deep—those wounds led to septic pneumonia in the lungs, of which she died—the wounds were the cause of her death—they might all have been caused by this razor—the wounds on the left side and the one on the front of the neck would require a good deal of force to inflict—she had some wounds on her hands, as if she had

put them up to protect herself—they were healed up at the post-mortem examination, but we tied them up on the morning following her admission—they were nothing serious.

Cross-examined. I cannot say whether the fingers of both hands were tied up or not—it would have been possible to have taken a deposition from the deceased—my reason for not allowing it to be taken was because there was a chance of recovery for her, and if the deposition had been taken it would have militated against that recovery—the septic pneumonia was in consequence of the blood from the wounds having flowed down the windpipe, it being severed.

ELIZABETH POOLE . I am the mother of the deceased—she lived with me up to last Easter—she left on the Saturday following Easter Monday, when she went to the Temple Bar Restaurant—before that she had been employed at Edwards and Skinner's, on Holborn Viaduct—she had been there just on five years—she had been keeping company with the prisoner five or six years—I heard that they were supposed to be married on the coming Bank Holiday—up to Easter Monday they were apparently on good terms—I knew she was in the habit of writing to him, and he to her—on Easter Monday I did not see the prisoner all day, because I was at work in the morning, and they went out—he was supposed to call for her—she came home about 12 p.m.—on Easter Tuesday the prisoner came to my place to ask for Edie—I noticed his face was scratched—I said, "Oh, Alf, whatever is the matter with your face?"—he smiled, and said, "I have been in a bit of a bother at the brewery, and one of the chaps has scratched my face"—I said, "What a funny thing for him to scratch your face!"—nothing more was said—my daughter was not at home when he called—when he heard that she was out I think he said he would call back—I told my daughter that he had been—I cannot remember whether he ever came to the house again after that—if he did, it must have been when I was out, as I never saw him—I do not think I ever saw my daughter and the prisoner together after the Easter Monday—I know his handwriting, and also my daughter's—I took the dress my daughter had been wearing on this Sunday night from the hospital, and I took a letter and a handkerchief from the pocket—I think this is the letter (Produced)—I gave it to Inspector Cutbush—I afterwards went to the Temple Bar Restaurant, and brought away her boxes—at the request of the police, I looked in them for any letters—I found these three letters (Produced)—this one is in my daughter's writing, and the other two in the prisoner's—they wrote to each other pretty often—they paid money into a bank—my daughter kept the bankbook—I do not know where it is—I could find it perhaps.

Cross-examined. My daughter had been in her new situation a fortnight before this happened—I believe their banking account was in the Post Office Savings Bank—the money was drawn out, I do not know when or by whom—my daughter was a member of a clothes club in her other situation, to which she would have to subscribe—I cannot say whether the prisoner helped her at all in her subscriptions—there were things bought for a home which was to come into existence on August Bank holiday.

Re-examined. I think my daughter drew the money out of the bank, and I think they spent it at Easter.

LORENA CORENGIER (Re-examined). I frequently saw the letters which passed between the prisoner and my sister—she used to show them to me—these five letters are in my sister's writing, and this one in the prisoner's (Produced)—these two letters, which were found in my sister's box, are in the prisoner's writing—this pencil writing, I should say, is the prisoner's writing.

Cross-examined. This photo is of my sister.

Re-examined. This letter was found in the deceased's trunk, and is from the prisoner—(Read, postmark, April 19th: Asking the deceased to meet him and forgive him for what had occurred, as he was sure that if he had been as sober as he is now he would not have said what he did, as nothing wrong had ever entered his head before.)—This letter from the prisoner was written in May—(Asking the deceased to write to him and tell him if she really wanted to part from him, stating that he had got a job at the stores in Victoria Street, that he had been going to start at a public-house, but that he had got a very bad character from the brewery.)—this letter is written by the deceased to the prisoner, but I do not know if it was sent—the other letter was found in the deceased pocket, it is to the prisoner; and is dated May 4th, 1900, and is written from the Excelsior, Charing Cross Road: "I have heard from Mr. Lee and your character is very bad; unless you can explain that, it is no good your coming here on Saturday.—Yours, R. EADE"—written on the back in the prisoner's writing is: "Dear Edie,—I have not received a letter from you; will you write, I am out of work through my character, but it is not for long, for I do try.—Yours, ALF"—this is another letter from the prisoner to deceased—(Stating that this would probably be his last, as he was a broken-hearted man, that after he was gone she would know the truth of his words, that he wanted to say good-bye, as he could not last out much longer, and that it would be good-bye for ever.).

Evidence for the Defence.

HERBERT LEE . I am the brewer and manager of the Westminster brewery—the prisoner was employed there for some time as a labourer—at Easter he wrote me a letter resigning his post, and subsequently a Mr. Eade called one day when I was out, with regard to the prisoner's character—he left a note saying he would call again, but he sent a telegram enclosing a prepaid reply—the telegram to me was "Is Highfield's character satisfactory?"—I replied, "Highfield is honest and can work"—I intended that to be a good reference, but, by a mistake of the telegraph clerk, "honest" was transferred into "lowest"—I suppose it read, "Highfield lowest, but can work," but I have not seen the telegram—I can mostcertainly give the prisoner a good character; his father has been in our employment 25 or 26 years; his people are of great respectability.

Cross-examined. The prisoner said his reason for leaving was that he could not agree with his foreman—I subsequently gave him another character to another public-house—I wished to help him—I think I wrote that character on May 12th—it arrived after this affair—I am not sure if it was sent on May 12th—I sent it to the proprietor of the Corner Pin public-house, Strutton Ground, Westminster.

ELIZABETH POOLE (Re-examined). We cannot find any other bank

book except this one (Produced)—I think my daughter had another, but I will not be quite sure.

Cross-examined. I think she had a Post-Office Savings Bank book, but I cannot find it.

GUILTY.—Strongly recommended to mercy by the Jury on account of the excited state of his mind, the loss of his work, his previous good character, and his youth. — DEATH .

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-407
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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MARY EDITH BOND . I am the wife of George Herbert Bond, of 21, Coldberg Place, Stamford Hill—we went away into the country on May 4th, locking up all but three bedrooms, which Mrs. Harnden occupied—I left behind, a gilt bracelet, a gold ring, and other things—the doors were locked, but not the drawer in which the things were—the jewel case was locked—I returned home on May 18th, and missed the bracelet and other things—this bracelet is the only thing recovered.

Cross-examined. It is not gold; it is of very little value.

ELIZA HARNDEN . I am the wife of William Samuel Harnden, of 21, Coldberg Place, Stamford Hill—Mr. and Mrs. Bond live in the same house—they went away on May 4th about 2.30 p.m., and I was left alone in the house—I went out about 4 o'clock, and shut the door behind me—I went back about 10.30, and found the front door open and the gas burning in the passage and in one of Mrs. Bond's rooms; not her bedroom—her bedroom was burst open—a small box was lying on the landing—I saw marks of a jemmy on the front door—I communicated with the police.

THOMAS ELDRIDGE (589N). On May 4th, about 10.40 p.m., I arrested the prisoner in Sidney Road, about a mile from Colberg Place—he was standing still—as I took him to the station he shuffled and dropped this bracelet from his right side on the pavement—I looked round to see what it was, and he began to struggle violently—I blew my whistle, Cribb came, and we took him to the station—I sent Cribb to the spot, and he brought the bracelet back—the prisoner said, "Surely you are not going to put that on to me"—he said that he bought it.

Cross-examined. I was under the impression that it was a really valuable gold bangle—I took him for stealing a bicycle, and he pleaded guilty last Session, and was sentenced to nine months'.

HENRY CRIBB (549N). I was called to Eldridge's assistance, and found the prisoner struggling on the ground—I helped to take him to the Station, and went back with a lamp to the place where the struggle was, and found this bangle—I took it to the station, and the prisoner said, "Surely you are not going to put that on to me."

EDWARD NEW (Detective Sergeant). I am in charge of this case—on June 21st, after the prisoner had been sentenced for the bicycle, he said, "I did drop the bracelet."

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GUILTY . He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction at Canterbury on January 3rd, 1893— Eighteen Months' hard labour, concurrent with his former sentence.

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MARK COOPER . I am a watchmaker, of 44, Mortimer Road, Dalston—last Saturday week, about 5 p.m., I was in Backer's Walk, Oxford Street, and turned down to an iron urinal, but it was full—I waited, and when the first man came out I took his place—I saw the prisoner, and while I was inside he came back and put his left hand over my mouth; I called out "Murder"; being a strong chap he got my watch-chain—I am 71 years old—he rifled my pockets, but could not get anything—he put some sand on my mouth and took me up and threw me, and my shoulder bones were hurt—there was no one in the urinal when he came back—he got away; I got up and struggled out, but was so weak I could not get any further—a friend of mine came, and I said, "For God's sake, fetch a constable"—a constable brought the prisoner back immediately afterwards, and I identified him—he said that he was a respectable tradesman with a wife and child, and that I had made a great mistake; it was not him; but when the constable charged him he said, "Well, I own I knocked him down."

Cross-examined. I was struggling with him for about a minute and a half—I had a gold watch in my pocket on that side, and a gold brooch (a

job) and some coppers and a handkerchief—I did not lose any of them, not even my watch-chain—it was severed from the watch, but he dropped it—there were four compartments; the prisoner was in one of them and I had to wait till he came out—there were not a number of people about larking and indulging in horse-play; there was no one inside or outside—I was entirely alone with the prisoner for a minute and a half at his mercy—it was about a quarter of a minute before I recovered myself—the prisoner had then got about 20 yards; he continued to run but came back—he was about 50 yards off when the police came; I did not say 200 yards before the Magistrate—there were not three or four men jostling one another about, nor was the prisoner pushed against me, nor did I fall, nor did he say, "I am sorry, old chap" and help to pick me up:—nothing of the kind—I was very much shaken—he did not wait quietly for the policeman.

Re-examined. I was dazed after the struggle—I did not measure the distance, but I have been with the Volunteers 33 years and I know something about it.

FREDERICK TOWNSEND (427 F). On June 16th, about 5 o'clock, I was called by the prosecutor, who complained that he had been assaulted by a man in an urinal, and pointed out the prisoner, who was 50 yards off, walking away—I went after him and asked him what he had been doing to the old gentleman—he said, "We were larking; I was pushed against him and he fell down"—the prosecutor gave me this chain.

Cross-examined. He said that he picked it up on the floor of the urinal—the prisoner was with two other persons, and he stopped at once and said, "I am a respectable tradesman; we were larking about; I was pushed into the urinal and knocked against the old man"—the prosecutor contradicted that and said that he knocked him down—the prisoner went quietly to the station.

The prisoner, in his defence, on oath stated that as the urinal was full he waited till one man came out and then went in, and as he came out he was pushed against the prosecutor and pushed him down; that he picked him up and went to the Brewery Tap, where his brother was, and was charged a quarter of an hour afterwards, and said, "I admit pushing the old gentleman down; they shoved me against him and I pushed him over and picked him up"; and that he had made a mistake, as he was a respectable tradesman, but did not say that they had got the wrong man.

GUILTY .—He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction at Clerkenwell on March 16th, 1896. Seven other convictions were proved against him— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

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ROSINA MAUD BULLOCK . I live at 1, White Horse Street, Ratcliff—on May 30th, about 5.30 I was with Mary Casey at the Ben Johnson public house, Limehouse—I was wearing four bracelets on my left wrist—I saw the prisoners there and afterwards saw Marshall standing near Victory Bridge with a companion—as we went by, one of them

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MARY CASEY . I live at 57, White Horse Street, Ractliff, and am a friend of Rosina Bullock—I was with her when she lost her bangles—I saw Marshall and Driscoll by the public house—Driscoll snatched the bracelets from Rosina Bullock and dragged her along the road—she said to Marshall "Do you know that boy?"—he said "No"—she said "I saw you speak to him—he said "That is no reason I should know him"—a policeman was coming and they ran away.

FRANK BEVIS (Detective H.) On May 31st I went to Driscoll's house and saw him in bed—I told him the charge; he said "I know nothing about the bracelets," and while dressing himself he said, "As somebody must have put us away, I may as well tell you the truth, I had the bracelet I found it; it was not much use, and I threw it away; Marshall and Sharland stopped the girl from running after me, I took the bracelet because I was hungry"—I saw Sharland in bed—he said, "I did not touch her; you cannot charge me with assault; Driscoll and Marshall got the bracelet, and I only went with them to try and sell it"—Shorland said at the station, "I was not there"—Driscoll said, "Yes, you were; tell the truth"—I afterwards went to Marshall's house, and told him the charge—he said, "You have made a mistake"—I saw this bracelet found in his coat pocket—he said, "I shall plead guilty. I should not have done it if I had not been hungry."

FREDERICK STEVENS (Detective, H). On May 31st I went with Bevis to Marshall's, and found the bracelet in his jacket.

THOMAS CLARK (446II). I went about 5.30 to where this robbery took place, and found the prosecutor there, and saw Marshall running away.

The Prisoners' statements before the Magistrate: Marshall says: "I never stopped the girl." Driscoll says: "I never stopped her; I merely took the bracelet." Sharland says: "It is an untruth about my touching the girl."

GUILTY of robbery without violence. SHARLAND then, PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction at the Thames Police Court on November 15th, 1898, and another conviction was proved against him. DRISCOLL and SHARLAND— Ten Months' Hard Labour each; MARSHALL— Six Months' Hard Labour.

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EDWARD SUCHE . I am a seaman—on June 21st, between 11 and 11.30 p.m., I was in Leman Street, and the prisoner and three other men rushed at me and pushed me up a side street—the prisoner put his hand in my pocket; a policeman came up, and the prisoner knocked him down—three or four other policemen came up and took him, and I went to the station and charged him—I had 4s., and I missed about 2s.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I had the money in both my side pockets; it was in silver—I took out my money at the station and counted it, and said that I had lost nothing; but that was a mistake.

FRANK DICKENSON (254H). On June 21st I was in Whitechapel, and heard Suche shout "Police!"—I went in the direction, and saw him on his back on the pavement, surrounded by the prisoner and three other men—they ran away—I gave chase, and caught the prisoner, and held him by his throat—he struck me on my mouth and knocked me down—we struggled on the ground for about 10 minutes—assistance came, and it took five constables to take him to the station—I searched him, and found on him 3s. in silver and 5d. in pence.

Cross-examined. You had not an umbrella in one hand and a parcel in the other—you were charged with assault with intent to rob, and made no reply—after the charge was taken you were very violent, and we had to cut your boot-laces and get your boots off.

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GUILTY . He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction at Clerkenwell on November 2nd, 1897, in the name of John Shepherd, and three other convictions were proved against him.— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

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Before Mr Justice Ridley.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-418
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceMiscellaneous > sureties

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418. ALFRED GROSVENOR (27) , Feloniously wounding Alfred Grosvenor, the younger, with intent to murder him. Second Count: With intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

MR. HUTTON Prosecuted.

CHARLES JOHNSON . I am the landlord of 22, Russia Lane—the prisoner has lodged with me five years and a-half—between 4 and 5 a.m. on Sunday, May 27th, I was roused by a knocking, and a voice shouted, "I have done it; come upstairs"—I got out of bed and went upstairs—I saw the prisoner's son, Alfred, bleeding slightly from a wound in his throat—I gave the boy in charge of my wife, who placed him in our bed and

stayed with him; he is seven years old—I then went up to the prisoner's room on the first floor, and saw him lying on the bed with a gash across his throat—he was partly dressed—I said, "Why did you do this?"—he said he could not help it; and said "If you see her, tell her I forgive her"—I understood him to refer to his wife—I begged him to be still while I fetched a doctor—I went down the street and saw a police-sergeant, and told him what had occurred—he blew his whistle, and another constable came, who went for a doctor—the sergeant went and saw the prisoner—the prisoner's wife had been away since the 23rd—the prisoner had been most devoted to the boy.

JAMES BROWN (4 J). About 5 a.m. on May 27th the last witness spoke to me—I went to the first floor front room at 22, Russia Lane, and found the prisoner lying on the bed, suffering from a large wound in his throat—he said, "I did it myself; it is all through trouble, as my wife has left me, how is the boy? if he is done I will do it again"—I then went to the back parlour on the ground floor, where I saw the boy in bed—he had a slight wound on his throat—I went back to the prisoner's room, when the doctor came—I found this blood-stained razor open on the table—the prisoner and the boy were taken to the London Hospital—there was nothing to show that the prisoner had been drinking.

By the COURT. I understand that the prisoner and his wife had had a few words, and she left him two days before this occurrence—she came back on the same day that he was admitted to the hospital.

ENOCH CULLAN (Inspector, J). I charged the prisoner on June 7th—in reply to the charge at the station he said, "I knew nothing about it until after it was done"—he was brought from the hospital to the station, where I received him into custody.

PIXON GROVES . I am House Surgeon at the London Hospital—about 6 a.m. on May 27th the prisoner and the boy were brought there—the boy had a slight skin wound across his throat, about 3 in. long, caused by a sharp instrument; he was only detained while it was stitched up—the prisoner was suffering from a serious wound—he was detained till June 7th.

The Prisoner produced a written defence, stating that he had had a great deal of trouble, and to forget it he took to drink, and that finally his wife left him; that he was at a loss to understand how he had come to injure his boy, as he was the one he took to most, and that he could not remember anything about it.

GUILTY of unlawfully wounding. Recommended to mercy by the JURY.— Discharged on his own Recognizances.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-419
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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419. WALTER JARMIN (30) , For b—s—t—y.

MR. WARBURTON Prosecuted, and DR. COOPER Defended.

GUILTY of the attempt.— Six Months' Hard Labour.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-420
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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420. JOHN LEWIS THOMAS PLEADED GUILTY to demanding money from Peter Gordon Robertson with menaces; also to threatening to accuse Gerald Bradshaw of an abominable crime, with intent to extort money from him.

He received a good character.— Twelve Months Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Thursday, June 28th, 1900.

Before Mr. Recorder.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-421
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-422
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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(422) DAVIS SILVERPROOF [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] , to unlawfully transposing certain hall-marks of the Goldsmiths' Company, with intent to defraud.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-423
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > hard labour

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423. ERNEST MAJOR CAXTON (30) and WILLIAM BROOKS (28) , Unlawfully conspiring with other persons to obtain money by false pretences, and obtaining 1s. 1 1/2 d. from Robert Backle, 2s. from Henry Pearson, and other sums from other persons, with intent to defraud. Other Counts: For obtaining the said sums by false pretences.


During the progress of the case the Prisoners stated that they would withdraw their pleas of Not Guilty and plead Guilty to the conspiracy Counts, upon which a verdict was entered of GUILTY of conspiracy. Caxton had been convicted of a similar offence in the name of King on August 17th, 1897; Brooks had been convicted of selling obscene publications; and Caxton's books showed a profit of £2,019 from 1899 to May, 1900, on guessing competitions alone. CAXTON— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour. BROOKS— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.—Friday, June 29th, 1900.

Before Mr. Justice Ridley.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-424
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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424. ARTHUR JOHN BROWN (38) , Carnally knowing Maud Riddle, a girl under the age of 13 years.

MR. HUTTON Prosecuted. GUILTY Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-425
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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425. JOHN FRANKLIN GILLESPIE (27) , Unlawfully obtaining by false pretences from Clemence Wilden and Elizabeth Gurney two postal orders for 2s. 6d. each, with intent to defraud.



During the progress of the case the Prisoner stated that he was GUILTY, and the JURY returned a verdict to that effect— Three Months in the second division.

THIRD COURT.—Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, June 27th, 28th, and 29th, 1900; and

OLD COURT.—Saturday, June 30th, 1900.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-426
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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426. WILLIAM JOHNSON (21), was again indicted (See page 526) for unlawfully assaulting Frederick Butler, with intent to prevent his lawful apprehension. Second Count: Assaulting him in the execution of his duty. Third Count: Assaulting him and occasioning him actual bodily harm.

MR. BEARD Prosecuted, and MR. LAWLESS Defended.

JAMES THOMAS LANE . I am an engineer, of 11, Marius Road, South Hackney—about 11.30 p.m. on May 18th I was in the crowd outside the Mansion House in consequence of the news of the relief of Mafeking—I felt a movement at my waistcoat, looked round and caught the prisoner's hand—he had my watch and chain, which I value at about £13—there were several others with him—I struck him and held him till the police came—he struggled; we had great difficulty in getting him to the station, he behaved like a madman—at the station the constable showed me his hand, which was bleeding—he said the prisoner had bitten it.

Cross-examined. I held the prisoner till we got to the station—the constable was there, but I had to give assistance—I hit him on his face—I tried to hit hard.

JOSEPH HEMERY (944, City). About 11.45 p.m. on Mafeking night I saw the prosecutor holding the prisoner—I went up to them with Butler, and helped to take the prisoner to the station—he struggled violently all the way—he threw himself on the ground and bit Butler on the back of his left hand, which bled very fast—Butler said in the prisoner's presence, on the way and at the station, "He has bitten my hand."

Cross-examined. I did not see anyone hit the prisoner on his face—I heard Butler say, "I am bitten," immediately after seeing it.

FREDERICK BUTLER (758, City). About 11.45 on Mafeking night I was in Mansion House Street—I saw the prisoner struggling with the prosecutor and Hemery—I went to their assistance—the prisoner struggled—he bit me on my left hand and kicked—he threw himself on the ground several times—I endeavoured to lift him up—he turned his head on one side and caught my left hand by the fourth knuckle, just above the fore finger—it bled—I was in great pain for three or four days—here is the mark from his teeth—he was very violent—no one struck him in the face—I told the inspector, and showed the prisoner my hand—I said, "Look what you have done"—he said, "I never done it."

Cross-examined. The prosecutor walked behind till we got within a few yards of the station—he hung on all the way, so that the prisoner should not kick—we were in uniform.

The Prisoner's statement before the Magistrate: "The constable struck me, and the prosecutor struck me and knocked me, and I know nothing about biting. Nothing was said till we got to the station. I there asked him why he knocked me about, and he hit me in the face in the station." He repeated this statement on oath in his defence.

GUILTY .— Six Months' Hard Labour,

and on the Felony Indictment (See page 526), Three Years' Penal Servitude.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-427
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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427. HENRY WILLIAM JONES (61) , Forging and uttering a letter, with intent to defraud.

MR. HEDDON Prosecuted.

FREDERICK KING (Police Sergeant, H 16). About 3 p.m. on April 18th

I was in the passage of the Thames Police-court—the prisoner came to me and said, "I have a letter for you. I have given it to the Magistrate, and I was to give it to you"—I had received a message from the Court—(Read: "To the Magistrate of the Thames Police-court. St. Dunstan's Church, Stepney, April 18th, 1900. Sir,—I wish to commend to you the bearer, C. Harrison, 35, Latimer Street, who is a very deserving man. He has been out of employment some time, but commences work on Monday next at Harrod's Scores as porter. Temporary assistance to tide him over this week is what he desires, and I think 10s. will do that. He desires to repay it. I will take it as a kindness to myself your doing this, as I take an interest in the man. He has a wife and two children.—Believe me, yours faithfully, A.E. DALTON, Rector")—I had a conversation with the prisoner, taking his name and address and particulars—he said his name was Charles Harrison—I told him to wait while I reported to the Magistrate—about half-an-hour afterwards I looked for him and called his name, but failed to find him—in the evening I made inquiries at 35, Latimer Street, and several houses in the street, but failed to trace him—next morning, the 19th, I saw Mr. Dalton, and in consequence of a conversation with him I went to the Magistrate—a warrant was issued for the prisoner's arrest—on June 5th I saw the prisoner—I read this warrant to him, and took him into custody—he said, "I have only been eight weeks from Manchester"—the charge was attempting to obtain charitable contributions by means of false and fraudulent pretences—he was charged with that offence—he said, "I emphatically deny it"—he was further charged on the 19th, in the name of Henry William Jones, with uttering, and said, "I emphatically deny it."

Cross-examined. From observation of you during our conversation, I concluded you were the man—I am still of that opinion—I had no suspicion of you then—I have never wrongly identified anyone—you are described in the warrant as Charles Harrison, and in the letter as a man with two children.

GEORGE RAMPLIN (207 H). On April 18th I saw King speaking to the prisoner in the passage of the Thames Police-court—the prisoner gave King a letter—King told him to wait—I afterwards, with King, tried to find him—we failed—on June 5th I identified him from 15 or 20 others at the Police-court as the man I had seen with Sergeant King on the 18th.

Cross-examined. I had no suspicions of you—I made a mental note, after we could not find you.

WILLIAM HAMFREN (25, City). About 5.20 p.m. on June 5th I saw the prisoner in Fleet Street—I had seen his description in the printed information—I knew him as John Harrison—I said to him, "Good morning, Harrison"—he replied, "My name is not Harrison; I am Jones"—I said, "I know you as Harrison; there is a warrant out for your arrest for fraud; I am going to arrest you and take you to Bridewell Station"—I arrested him—he said, "I emphatically deny the charge."

REV. ARTHUR EDISON DALTON . I am Rector of St. Dunstan's, Stepney—this letter was not written by me—I have never seen the prisoner before—I do not know him—I have no knowledge of the letter.

Cross-examined. I am very careful in the references I give—the writing is not like mine.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate: "I deny the charge; I am a stranger in Stepney; it is the first time I had been in Stepney when I was taken into custody. It appears to be a charge on perjured evidence given by the police."

The Prisoner, in his defence, said that the charge was ridiculous; he lived by honest work, and was an honest man; that the witnesses could not identify him after two months.

GUILTY of uttering. Two other convictions were proved against him.— Twelve Months' Imprisonment.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-428
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment > hard labour

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428. HENRY GOLDSMITH (21), WALTER SMITH (20), and MIKE WOOD (19) , Robbery with violence on Frank Arliss, and stealing a watch and chain, his property.

MR. KYD Prosecuted, and MR. PURCELL Defended.

FRANK ABLISS . I am a provision dealer, of 194, High Street, Shadwell—on Monday, June 11th, I was in Sutton Street—about 6.30 p.m., walking towards Commercial Road, facing Shadwell Railway Station, a man walked across the road at right angles to me—he made a snatch at my watch and chain, obtained it, and ran away up the court in Railway Place, in a line with the railway—I followed across the road, and a man put his foot and tripped me up—I recovered—a few yards further on another man put his foot out, and I fell heavily—I got up, and ran up Station Place, calling out, "Stop thief!" till I got to Watney Street, where I lost sight of him—I went to the Police-station and reported the case—after that I went back to Station Place with a detective, and there was a man standing at his door who saw the whole occurrence—the next day I picked a man out of eight—he was not the man—I described the man by his dress; dark clothes—his face was turned to the ground—I had no opportunity of seeing it—I gave the prisoner in charge.

Cross-examined by Goldsmith. I said before the Magistrate, "I saw the features of the man who took my watch and chain"—when he made the grab I might have caught sight of him—I did not say, "I should know the whole of the men if I saw them."

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. Callaghan was the man standing at his door—I had not seen him before.

JOHN HAND (43 HR). I saw the prisoners about 6.5 to 6.10 p.m. on Monday, June 11th, standing at the top of Sutton Street, Commercial Road East, with a fourth person—I knew Goldsmith and a man named Clements.

Cross-examined by Goldsmith. I swear you are the three men—I gave evidence at the Police-court on the 20th.

Cross-examined by Smith. I said at the Police-court that you had a silk handerkerchief, but not a collar and a tie.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I had seen Wood before, but did not know his name—I have been 16 years in the H Division—I was spoken to by a detective—I heard Wood was in custody on the Wednesday before I gave evidence on June 20th, two days after the offence—the detective asked me if I saw any men hanging about Sutton Street—I

identified the prisoners on the 20th, without hesitation—I saw them in the passage to the cells—Wood was the third man.

DENNIS CALLAGHAN . I live at 103, Sutton Street—I was standing at my door on June 11th, with my brother-in-law, between 6 and 6 30 p.m—I saw four men loitering near the Railway Arms beer-house—the prisoners are three of them—two were in the public-house; Wood was outside—I saw a tall gentleman making his way to Shadwell Railway Station—Wood went and looked at him—Goldsmith beckoned two of the men to come out of the public-house—the gentleman looked at the prisoners and walked down the court—in a few minutes Mr. Arliss came along—Wood crossed the road and snatched his watch and chain, and ran down Station Place with it—Arliss followed, and Goldsmith stooped to stop him—Arliss ran on, and Smith and another man tripped him up—the next thing I saw was Goldsmith flourishing a stick—Arliss was running after Wood—two others had sticks.

Cross-examined by Goldsmith. I saw you hobble after Arliss.

Cross-examined by Smith. I picked you out at once at Shadwell Police-station.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I have lived at 103,. Sutton Street for 10 years—I was a railway porter, I have been a dock labourer since January 7 th—mother keeps the house of six rooms—father is not alive—I was 14 months on the railway, shunting—I left because it was dangerous—I have not worked for six or seven weeks—I am married—I get odd jobs—Henry Gudge, my brother-in-law, was at the door with me—he left to get a chair when this robbery was done—I saw the prosecutor on the ground—I observed the prisoners about 20 minutes—I saw from their movements that they meant thieving, but so many hang about it is not safe to say anything—a policeman had gone by about 10 minutes before the robbery.

HARRY GUDGE . I live at 10, Meeting House Alley, Old Gravel Lane, Wapping—I was with my brother-in-law, Callaghan, on June 11th—I saw four chaps loitering about; the prisoners are three of them—when I first saw them they were a little apart from one another—they were all together standing in the Railway Arms beer-shop, Sutton Street—three had sticks outride the beer-shop—Goldsmith and Wood went into the bar—Goldsmith beckoned the others out—a tall gentleman came along; Wood looked at him; the gentleman turned and looked at Wood, who went away up the court—I went upstairs to fetch a chair—in three or four minutes I came down—I saw the four men running through Court Station Place—I saw Arliss get up from the ground and run after them—on Wednesday, 13th, I picked out first Wood, then Smith, then Goldsmith from 12 or 13 men.

Cross-examined by Goldsmith. I saw you all in front of Arliss.

Cross-examined by Smith. King David Lane is the nearest Police-station—I went to Arbour Square because I was told to.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I am a dock labourer, not in regular employment—I had been at work, two weeks before the robbery, with my brother-in-law in the docks, May 18th and 19th—I am single—I live with my mother—the prisoners were strangers—I had seen them

for about 10 minutes before going upstairs for the chair—I thought they were waiting for something.

MATTHEW RADLEY . I live at 30, Station Place—on June 11th, a little after 6 p.m., I was looking out at my window—I saw Goldsmith with a great big stick knock Arliss down; he struck him on the back between the shoulders—I saw Wood with a stick—Goldsmith hopped, and Wood ran up the court—I saw Arliss lying on the ground—he got up, shouted, "Stop thief!" and ran after them—I picked them out at Arbour Square on the 20th from 20 or 30, Goldsmith by his wooden club boot, and Wood by his nose.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I have known Callaghan and Gudge about four years; they are dock labourers—I am a shoeblack—I have a licence from the police—I stand at the corner of Ratcliff Street, St. George's—the men were strangers—my window is on the first floor—all I observed lasted four or five minutes.

THOMAS WELTON (394 H). About 8.15 p.m. on June 11th I saw the prisoners at the corner of Shepherd Street and Commercial Street, with two or three others—I was upon fixed point duty, about 20 yards away—I went towards them—each was carrying a big stick—Goldsmith looked flushed in the face—they went up Commercial Street towards High Street, Whitechapel—half an hour afterwards I saw them come back—I watched them—Goldsmith had a brown paper parcel under his arm—I crossed the road to disperse a crowd, and lost sight of them—they were standing outside 86, Commercial Street.

Cross-examined by Goldsmith. I have been in the force nine years—I had to disperse a crowd, or I should have stopped you to know what you had in the parcel.

Cross-examined by Smith. I said at the Police-co✗ that I saw these two men at 7.15, not at 11 p.m.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. This was the first time I had seen all three together—I picked them out on Wednesday, 20th, at the Thames Police-court, where I was ordered by Sergeant Richards—I was spoken to about this case on the Saturday before that.

Re-examined. I knew Goldsmith and Wood, but not Smith, before

HENRY RICHARDSON (Policeman H). On June 12th, about 10 30 a.m., I was with Detective Cridland in Commercial Street, close to Spitalfields Church—I spoke to Cridland, and he left to fetch a uniform constable—the three prisoners were standing together—as soon as Cridland had gone they separated—Smith crossed towards Brushfield Street, and Cridland arrested him—I went after Goldsmith—I said, "I shall arrest you for being concerned in robbing a man last night"—he commenced to struggle, and said, "I am not f—g well going there"—further assistance came up, and he then went quietly—I was in plain clothes—I then saw Wood standing behind an ice-cream barrow—I told him I should arrest him for being concerned in the robbery the night before—he said, "All right"—they were all taken to Shadwell Police-station—in the evening they were identified from others by Callaghan—it is about a mile or a mile and a-half from Sutton Street to 86, Commercial Street.

Cross-examined by Goldsmith. You were all standing outside the Ten

Bells public-house—I arrested you on the opposite side of the street, near Spitalfields Church, near the door of a public-house.

Cross-examined by Smith. We had to put you back in the cells to allow the men to go away after the identification—when the station was cleared you were fetched out and charged—Callaghan took about two seconds to pick you out.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I first saw Callaghan on Monday night, June 11th, in Sutton Street, in consequence of what Cridland said—I had seen Radley, but not Gudge, before this case—he is a shoeblack.

WILLIAM CRIDLAND (Detective, H). I was with Richardson, and saw the prisoners standing together—Richardson spoke to me, and I went to the other side of the road—as I did so I saw Smith make his way up Russell Street—I caught hold of him—he said, "What is the matter?"—I said, "I am going to charge you with being concerned with the other two in robbing a man named Arliss at Station Street, Shadwell, last evening, about 6.30"—he said, "You know I never go in for a thing like that; I always get them off on the quiet"—I handed him over to a uniform constable—the same night witnesses were brought in to identify these men—I was present—Callaghan picked them out that night, and Gudge the next morning.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I was called on the remand—I knew Radley as a shoeblack—Callaghan and Gudge were strangers—I went from the station with Arliss to make inquiries.

The Prisoners' statements before the Magistrate: Goldsmith says: "This is perjury. One of the witnesses says he saw me strike the prosecutor with a stick." Wood says: "One man says he saw me with a stick; the others say I did not have a stick."

✗ Wood, in his defence, on oath, said that he was at 86, Commercial Street, at the time, and that he had nothing to do with the robbery.

Evidence for the Defence.

SARAH ANGEL . I am married—my husband keeps a tobacco and fancy shop at 86, Commercial Street—I am the prisoner Wood's sister—I got a letter from Holloway from him on the Thursday, in consequence of which I went to see him at Holloway on the Saturday, and to the Police-court on Wednesday, June 20th—on the previous Saturday I had told him aunt had come from Russia, and asked him to my place to see her—he came on Monday, June 11th, at 5 p.m. with Goldsmith, whom I had not seen before—we had tea at 6—my sister came in; then Mrs. Corem—my brother stayed till past 11—we stayed in the shop parlour.

Cross-examined. We were all in the shop parlour except the cigarette-maker, who was in the shop—my father was there—I asked who Goldsmith was and my brother said, "He is my friend"—Richardson came on the Saturday before I went to the Court—he asked me when my brother Mike was there last, and I said on the Monday—he asked me how many were there—I started telling him my aunt had come from Russia—he said, "That is all right"—I told him my brother had come to see my aunt—I did not leave the house—I only left the room to serve a customer—I did not go out for a walk, because my husband was not at home—it was a nice night, and dry weather.

Re-examined. Richardson said, "Your brother wants you at Arbour Square on Wednesday."

ANNIE COREM . I am married—my husband is a hairdresser at 16, New Road—I went to see my aunt from Russia at my sister's place, 86, Commercial Street, on Monday, June 11th—I saw my brother and Goldsmith having their tea when I got there at 6 p.m.—I stopped till 11—Wood and Goldsmith stopped the same time.

Cross-examined. The journey took me 25 minutes, with my baby—I found there my sister, the man who makes cigarettes, my aunt from Russia, my father, my brother, and his friend—they all went out together at 11 p.m., when the husband closed the shop—I never lost sight of my brother the whole evening—the aunt had ✗come from Russia about four weeks—she lives with my father, my aunt's brother, in Morgan Street, Commercial Street—I had my tea about 6.30 or 6.45.

GUILTY .—GOLDSMITH then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony at this Court in April, 1898, in the name of Henry Clements. Fourteen other convictions were proved against him.— Five Years' Penal Servitude. SMITH PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony at Worship Street on February 2lst, 1900. Eight other convictions were proved against him.— Five Years Penal Servitude. WOOD PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony at Worship Street on January 3rd, 1900.—Three other convictions were proved against him.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-429
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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MR. MUIR and MR. LEYCESTER Prosecuted, and MR. BIRON Defended.


25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-430
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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MR. MUIR and MR. LEYCESTER Prosecuted, and MR. PURCELL Defended.

No evidence was offered.


25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-431
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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431. MAURICE JAEGER (24) , Feloniously forging and uttering an order for the delivery of 500 bankers' cheques, with intent to defraud.

MR. HUMPHREYS Prosecuted.

ALFRED WILLIAM KING . I am 14 years old—I live at 38, Depmow-Road. Upper Clapton—I am employed in the City as an office boy—on Thursday, May 10th, about 2.30 p.m., near the Royal Exchange, the prisoner, who was a stranger, said to me, 'Will you do me a favour, and I will give you sixpence"—I said I would, and he told me to go to the London and Westminster Bank in Lothbury to get a book of 500 cheques and to bring it back to where he said he would wait, outside the Royal Exchange—he gave me a letter to take—(This was an order for 500 cheques on a memorandum form, purporting to be signed by W. T. Restell, of 29, Mark Lane.)—the envelope was not stuck down—I went to that bank—I saw the porter, and then the manager—I was referred to the cashier, to whom I gave the letter and envelope—he spoke to another cashier, and then gave me the cheque-book, which I signed for—I brought it to where Jaeger said he would wait for me—I waited a little while, then I thought of the name on the memorandum, "W. T. Restell," and went to 9, Mark Lane, but they said it was not there, and I went to No. 29, where I found W. T. Restell, and went into the office and handed the

cheque-book to somebody in there—then I went back to my master's place in Victoria Street—on my way I met the prisoner near the Royal Exchange—he asked me if I had seen him before—I said 'Yes"—I was with a messenger boy and two or three other boys—he called me away from them—he asked me where the cheque-book was—I told him I had taken it to W. T. Restell's, 29, Mark Lane—he told me to go and get it—I told him I had no time; my luncheon hour was up—he said I must go and get it—I kept on telling him I had no time—at last I went a little way with him, and he told me he should wait at the corner of the Royal Exchange—he was speaking also to a foreigner in a foreign language—I said, "They won't give it me, without you come with me"—he kept on saying he would not come; he would wait at a certain place—I went to the top of Mark Lane with him—he said he would wait at the corner—I went to Restell's, No. 29—I saw the manager—Mr. Hughes or a clerk gave me the cheque-book after a conversation—I went to find the prisoner—I saw him at the corner of Billiter Street, opposite Mark Lane, after looking about for him—he ✗l eckoned to me; I crossed, and he told me to walk on in front—I was just walking on, when a policeman tapped him on the shoulder—Mr. Hughes stopped him—he was taken into custody—the cheque-book was given up to the police—this book is like it.

HENRY SCULL . I am cashier of the London and Westminster Bank at their head office, Lothbury—W. T. Restell, of 29, Mark Lane, are customers—on May 10th, in the afternoon, the boy King brought me this request for 500 cheques—I gave him the cheque-book—the signature is an excellent imitation of Messrs. Restells—the numbers are 76001-500.

WILLIAM EDWARD HUGHES . I am manager to W.T. Restell, wine merchant, of 29, Mark Lane—on May 10th one of the clerks showed me this cheque-book of 500 cheques—I had a conversation with King, and he went away—we did not want a cheque-book—this order is a forgery—the form is like ours, but different in the make of paper, a little different in size; the "e's" in "telegraphic," the 1900, ours has a curve in the "2" in "29"—it is not the same print—the signature is a forgery, though a very good imitation—the boy returned in about a quarter of an hour; I gave him some instructions and the cheque-book, and followed him to the Fenchurch Street end of Mark Lane—I spoke to a constable on the way—the boy waited for the prisoner with the book—I waited on the other side, the Mark Lane side—the prisoner must have beckoned, for the boy crossed with the book, as it is now, towards Billiter Street—the prisoner stopped near the Imperial Restaurant—the boy handed him the book, and as he was going to take it I caught hold of him and said "What are you doing? what do you want with this book? I shall give you in charge"—the constable came forward, and I said, "I give this man in charge"—he said, "I am innocent"—the constable took him to the Minories Police-station.

JOHN STEWART (City Detective). On May 10th I was watching Muscovitz, Jaeger and others (See next case)—I saw Jaeger join Muscovitz n Hanbury Street about 11.5 a.m.—I followed them through Baker's

Row into the Whitechapel Road—Muscovitz handed Jaeger something that he took from his right-hand trousers pocket—Jaeger went into the Post-office, 206, Whitechapel Road—shortly afterwards he came out again and joined Muscovitz—they walked to the corner of Baker's Row and parted, having made a kind of circuit—I followed Jaeger through Aldgate and Threadneedle Street—when he got to the principal entrance of the Bank of England he walked up some yards and turned back into Threadneedle Street and through Princes Street into Lothbury, as far as the entrance of the London and Westminster Bank—he turned suddenly into Bartholomew Lane, where he stood in the middle of the road by the side of a cab at the back of the London and Westminster Bank, where the road is up and there is a cab rank—he looked towards the London and Westminster Bank—I lost sight of him there at 12.10 a.m.

Cross-examined by the prisoner. You went into the passage leading to the yard—I did not see Muscovitz give you a penny for a stamp, nor any money—I am certain you went the length of Lothbury—I had not seen you before.

WILLIAM MILLER (City Detective). On May 10th, in the afternoon, I saw the prisoner detained at the Minories Police-station—he had been brought there by a constable—I told him he would be charged with forging and uttering a request, and obtaining a cheque-book of 500 cheques from the London and Westminster Bank, Lothbury, purporting to be signed by W. T. Restell, 29, Mark Lane—he said, "I am no thief. I was in a restaurant, No. 2, Pearl Street, where I went to have my supper, and while there I saw Troubman, who keeps the restaurant, and a man named Muscovitz, talking together; Muscovitz called me on one side and asked me if I would do a job for him to-morrow, and he would give me 5s.; I said 'Yes'; he told me to be there next morning. I was there, and Muscovitz gave me a letter and said, 'This man (whom he pointed to, whom I had seen in their company before) will go with you, and you are to get a boy to go into a place which will be pointed out to you, and you are to give the boy sixpence, and he will bring something out, and you are to take it from the boy and give it to him; he will give you 5s. for yourself, and 6d. for the boy.' I did not know I was doing anything wrong"—he was then taken to Moor Lane Police-station and charged—he made no further reply to the charge.

Cross-examined. I took the statement down at the time.

ROBERT SAGAR (City Police Inspector). There were two or three remands of this case at the Police-court—on May 25th I received a communication that the prisoner wanted to see me, and went and saw him in the cells—he said he wanted to make a full statement, so that the Magistrate should know all about the case—I cautioned him that whatever he said I should take down in writing, and it might be used in evidence against him—I then took this statement down in writing as he said it, and he signed it after I had read it to him: "I am a working man, have been nine years in London; have worked six years at Schneider's cap factory, Whitechapel. Muscovitz spoke to me on the night before I was arrested, after I had left work. He said, 'I want to speak to you to-morrow morning.' He then gave me 1s., and told me to meet him in Hanbury Street next morning, 'as I want you to do me a favour, to take

a letter to the bank, and I will give you 5s.' I said, 'I am afraid I shall get the sack if I stop away from work.' He said, 'Tell your governor that you are not well.' I met him on Thursday morning shortly before 10 o'clock in Hanbury Street, and went with him to the Post-office in Whitechapel Road and bought a post-card. He (Muscovitz) waited outside He then said, 'Meet me again at 2 p.m. at the coffee-shop in Hanbury Street'; but he sent another man to meet me there, and this man spoke to me and said, 'What are you waiting for?' I said, 'Mr. Muscovitz.' He said, 'Muscovitz cannot come to you, but you come with me.' I went with him to the Royal Exchange. We never spoke on the way there. He then pointed out a bank to me, and said at the time, handing me a letter, 'This is the letter Muscovitz wanted you to take to the bank.' I said to this man, 'What have I got to do with this?' He said, 'Get a boy and give him 6d., and tell him to go to the bank with this letter and ask for a cheque-book.' I then found a boy, and sent him to the bank at the bottom of the street. I waited some time, but missed the boy. I wanted the other man to meet the boy and get the cheque-book when he came out of the bank, but he would not. About half an hour afterwards I met the boy. At this time the other man was following me. I did not recognise the boy at first, but said to him, 'Did not I speak to you a short time ago?' The boy said, 'Yes.' I said, 'What have you done with that letter?' He said, 'I took it to the bank and got the cheque-book, but when I came out I could not see you, so I took it to Mr. Restell's and left it there.' I then spoke to the other man who was with me, and told him what the boy had done, after which I wanted him to go with the boy, but he would not. He (the man) then told me to go with the boy and get the book. I went with the boy, and this man followed behind. The boy went and got the book, and when he was coming up to me I was arrested, and the other man went away. When a✗rrested I said I was innocent, and say so now. I do not know this man, although I have seen him at Troubman's restaurant and talking to Troubman and Muscovitz, On Wednesday morning Troubman gave me a cheque for £2 to get changed at his bank, the London and Provincial Bank, Spitalfields, which I did, and gave the money to Troubman. A man named Elias Weinstein wrote out this, and Troubman signed it. I saw this done."

Evidence for the Defence.

WILLIAM MILLER (Re-examined). I made inquiries of the manager at Schneider's cap factory, who said he knew the prisoner, he had been two years out of the country, but had recently come back, and that he bore a good character—I found this document on him—(Stating that he was at Antwerp in February and March, and was coming to London, and that he had been employed at a brewery in Roumania.)

ETTA SCHWARTZ I am the prisoner's cousin—I am cook at 2, Great Pearl Street, a cook's shop, which belongs to a young man from Roumania, named Kranz Schwartz and Samuel Velderman—I have known the prisoner about five years—I became acquainted with him at Antwerp—I know him as an honest man—he came to England after the holidays

called Purim—he was in England before, but he left for Antwerp and came back last year.

Cross-examined.—The restaurant was kept by Troubman, but afterwards by an industrious young man—it is now kept by Troubman—the prisoner did not take his meals at 2, Great Pearl Street—I used to see him at 8, Little Alie Street—I have seen Muscovitz several times, but do not know him—8, Little Alie Street is Troubman's private house—my cousin left Antwerp in March—he lived in London at 115, Hanbury Street.

The prisoner in his defence stated that he had lived in London nine years; six years in the Whitechapel Road, first at 9s. a week, learned a trade, was raised to 18s. a week, quarrelled with the foreman and went to Antwerp, for two years travelled in the street in cigarettes and tobacco, and was never before locked up and never did any of the writing.

GUILTY of uttering.— Six Months Hard Labour.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-432
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment > penal servitude

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432. ISAAC MUSCOVITZ (32), SOLOMON TROUBMAN (45), GEORGE KEMMERMAN (34) , Forging and uttering an order for the payment of £484 9s. 6d. with intent to defraud.


and BOYD Defended Troubman.

MR. BESLEY offered no evidence against Kemmerman. NOT GUILTY .

(The evidence was interpreted to Muscovitz.)

WALTER HIBBERD . I live at 33, Station Road, Church End, Finchley—I am a clerk to Messrs. Barclay, ✗f 54, Lombard Street—Mr. John Last Sayer, of Billingsgate Market, keeps an account there—this order for a cheque book was presented to me, about the date of it, March 16th, by a lad—I am familiar with Sayer's writing—I believed it was signed by him—the signature is very like his—I gave him a cheque book for 200 cheques, Nos. S3601 to 3800—this cheque, 3609, is one of them—the order is for 300 forms, which we do not issue—I gave him 200.

Cross-examined by MR. AVORY. Referring to my book, the order is dated March 16th—it came about 2 o'clock that day.

SAMUEL THOMAS WILSON LANGWORTH . I live at East Sheen—I am a cashier of Barclay & Co., 54, Lombard Street—this cheque, 3609, for £484 9s. 6d., was presented over, I believe, by Kemmerman—I looked at it, doubted it, and asked him what he would take—I did not pay it—I referred it to the manager—I was absent a few minutes—when I came back Kemmerman was gone.

JOHN LAST SAYER . I am a fish salesman in Billingsgate Market—I live at Burleigh House, London Road, Forest Hill—I keep an account with Barclay & Co., Lombard Street—I am the owner of 8, Little Alie Street, which is let to Troubman—the rent is payable the first of every month, £8 6s. 8d.—I believe he was a weekly tenant for two years when my agent collected—he was tenant for another two years; only then he had part of the premises—since he has been a monthly tenant under lease—in March he was entitled to £3 16s. 1d. deduction, leaving a balance due to me of £4 10s. 7d.—I received this cheque for £14 10s. 7d. on March 13th—as it was £10 too much I wrote to ask him what it meant—on the 15th I received this letter from Troubman, of

14th: "8, Little Alie Street, London, 14/3/1900. Dear Sir,—Many thanks for your letter of to-day. The person who filled in the cheque for me made a mistake in £10. Kindly cash cheque and send dif. at your earliest convenience. Kindly excuse delay of payment, as I have been laid up ill for the last four weeks.—Yours truly, S. Tronbman.—J. L. Sayer, Esq."—I, thereupon, on March 15th, drew a cheque for £10 and sent it on to him—that came back paid by the bank—the order produced by Hibberd is not my writing—this is "1900," mine is "189—," and this paper is made by Spicer; that is not mine—this is a sample of my genuine paper—the cheque for £484 9s. 6d. is not written by me nor with my knowledge or authority—it does not resemble it very much—there is a resemblance because there is the thick line in J. and L., and at the end of the "Sayer"—the order for the cheque-book more resembles my signature—I do not know S. M. Brooks. [The cheque was to the order of S. M. Brooks.]

Cross-examined by MR. AVORY. Troubman has paid his rent within a few days during his four years' tenancy, except in this case, when it came on the 13th—I did not know he had a restaurant in Great Pearl Street—in Little Alie Street, I thought he made cigars in the cellar, when I had to go there, because of the fire insurance—it was a restaurant or something of the kind—for two years he received receipts signed by me or my clerk—I think he has had letters from me—the lease of his premises is granted and signed by me—the "y" in "Sayer" does not resemble mine—this cheque for £14 10s. 7d. appears to be signed by him, and the body of it written by somebody else.

Re-examined. I signed the banker's book when I opened the account "John Last Sayer"—these cheques of October 9th, December 2nd, 1899, and January 8th, February 1st, and April 9th, are endorsed by me "J. L. Sayer"—the one of March 13th, for £14 10s. 7d., is made payable to and endorsed "John Last Sayer"—I thought the body of the cheque was better writing than the signature—the three receipts produced are signed by my clerk; probably he signed them all.

WILLIAM SARGENT (City Detective). On March 22nd and 23rd I was keeping observation on 2, Great Pearl Street—I saw on the 22nd Troubman, and on the 23rd Muscovitz waiting for Troubman at the door—I saw both go into 2, Great Pearl Street—Muscovitz's appearance was not as it is now—he had a dark moustache.

Cross-examined by MR. AVORY. No. 2, Great Pearl Street, is an eating house used by foreigners very much.

FREDERICK BAREHAM (City Detective). I watched 2, Great Pearl Street—I first saw the prisoners together on May 2nd, and subsequently on 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th and 9th—Muscovitz had a heavy, dark moustache down to the last time I saw him.

Cross-examined by MR. AVORY. I saw them at all times previous to 12.40 p.m.—not always together—Troubman was generally there—I saw foreigners go there.

Re-examined. I saw Elias Weinstein in the company of both these men.

JOHN COLLISON (City Detective). I watched 2, Great Pearl Street to May 11th on eight different days—I saw the prisoners together—I saw

Elias Weinstein with the prisoners on several days—Muscovite wore his moustache up to the 10th.

Cross-examined by MR. AVORY. Troubman sub-let the restaurant to some man—he was always inside or at the door—one day Muscovite told Troubman to put a board up at the restaurant.

HENRY GILLARD (City Detective). I watched 2, Great Pearl Street from March 27th to April 5th, and on May 6th and 9th—I saw Muscovitz and Troubman on several occasions together outside the shop and with Elias Weinstein—Muscovitz had a dark, heavy moustache, which was cut off after May 9th.

GEORGE KEMMERMAN (The prisoner). I am a Roumanian—I have been a United States citizen for five and a half years—I have been a steward on ships running between Southampton and New York since 1896—I have known Muscovitz and Troubman during that time—in 1896 Troubman kept a restaurant at 8, Little Alie Street—I met Muscovitz in March—he asked me how I was going on—he owed me £5 and we had a fight and did not speak—in March I met him crossing the Commercial Road—on March 17th I was living at 17, Batty Street, and about 8 a.m. Weinstein came to my room—Muscovitz joined him downstairs—they had a conversation—I did not hear, I was the other side the street—Weinstein came to me and said, "I shall meet you at the Aldgate Restaurant at 10 o'clock"—Muscovitz had a satchel in his hand—Weinstein said I must take the satchel with me—Muscovitz took the satchel away—about 9.30 I left my restaurant at 102, Cannon Street, and went to the Aldgate Restaurant—Elias Weinstein came soon after ten—he told me to go with him—I went with him—he gave me the cheque for £484 in an envelope, and said, "You can go with it to the bank"—he said he had signed it, and that I should ask for £200 in notes and the rest in gold—I went into the bank in Lombard Street—Weinstein stopped outside—I presented the cheque—a friend called me out—Weinstein was gone—I went away, and a man I was told was his brother came after me—he took me to his home in Whitechapel to search me, because he did not believe I had not got the money—I am a foreigner; I do not know where it was—after he searched me, Troubman arrived, and said to Weinstein, "What's the matter about the money?"—I answered, "What money do you want? You sent me with a forged cheque to the bank"—I left them together—they told me they would pay me £5—I told them I would go back to 133, Cannon Street—I went there, and Muscovitz and Weinstein came there between 4.30 and 5 p.m.—Weinstein called me out—there I joined Muscovitz—Elias Weinstein told Muscovitz to tell me he should give me £1, and Muscovitz took £1 from his pocket, gave it to me, and said, "£4 I will give you later on"—they went away—when I came from America I lent Muscovitz and Troubman £5—the next Wednesday I saw Elias Weinstein, Troubman, and Muscovitz at the restaurant, 8, Alie Street—I did not know 2, Great Pearl Street, till I came from Southampton, and had a fight about some money, and a friend took me there about May 2nd—when I quarrelled with Muscovitz and Troubman, between March 17th and May 2nd, I had been to New York and back twice—I next saw them in custody.

Cross-examined by MR. AVORY. I was taken into custody on May 17th

—I was charged as a Witness and locked up, when I told them all about it—I was brought up at Guildhall Police-court as a prisoner, and committed for trial here—I understand I have been charged, but I am not a, party to this crime—I went to the bank with a cheque for£484, but did not take the money—I lent £5 to Troubman at Little Alie Street in about October or November, 1896—two weeks after going to the bank I left for America—the quarrel was at Great Pearl Street, and we went to the police court—they said I came to make a quarrel and some one took a neck tie pin, but the policeman looked at the tie and said there had never been a pin in it—I did not tell Troubman in prison that I had told untruths about him, because he prevented Muscovitz giving me any more money—I do not know the house in Whitechapel where I was searched—it was about 11 a.m.—I know it was Whitechapel, because we went by a Whitechapel car.

Cross-examined by Muscovitz. After I went to the bank I did not quarrel with you, but we did not speak to one another—when Weinstein came to my house you were waiting outside about 10 minutes—you gave the £1 to Weinstein to give me—after the quarrel I went to the police station with Troubman—you were not present.

ALEXANDER LANGLAND . I am manager of the London & Provincial Bank, Spitalfields Branch—Troubman opened an account on October 7th, 1899—this is the pass-book—it has not been made up after April 25th—we were requested to give it up on that date—there has been four debits since then—this is a certified copy of the account—it was opened with a credit of £35—in October there were four credits amounting to £39 10s., which made the total £74 10s.—the debits amount to £73 18s., leaving a credit at the end of October of 12s.—at the end of the year the amount to his credit was £10 7s. 8d.; on March 15th, £15 18s. 2d., which the cheque of £14 10s. 7d. reduced to £17s. 7d.—the last cheque is May 11th, for £8, which was reserved, there not being enough to meet it—it was honoured afterwards—the credit now is £4 16s. 3d.—the balance was always small, and in consequence the bank charged 5s. and 10s. for keeping the accounts—this £20 cheque was paid through our bank on April 25th in favour of Muscovitz—this cheque-book charged against Troubman is the last he had—the writing in red ink upon the pass-book is a true copy of the ledger.

Cross-examined by Muscovitz. The cheque for £20 is payable to order and endorsed—I should say it was paid in gold, because, as a rule, notes are marked at the back of the cheque.

ROBERT SAGER (City Detective). On May 11th I was with Inspector Holmes—I saw Troubman walking towards Whitechapel shortly after 10 a.m.—I stopped him and said, "Mr. Troubman?" he said "Yes"; I said, "We are two police-officers, and we are going to arrest you for being concerned, with other men, in several cases of forgery on various banks in the City"—he said, "I fear nothing; I have done nothing wrong"—we took him into an office close by in Commercial Street, and partially searched him—he had this cheque-book, £1 9s. in money and these letters and memoranda—he was sent to the City Police office, Old Jewry—about 5 o'clock the same day

Holmes and I went to 2 Great Pearl Street and searched Troubman's room—I found this pass-book, cash-book or takings book, a number of cheques, a brown Gladstone bag full of clothing, a light dust overcoat—among the cheques was this cheque of March 15th for £14 10s. 7d., and another to the order of T. Muscovite, April 19th, 1900, Troubman, No. 90408, the counterfoil being in the book I found on him when I partially searched him showing simply the amount, £20—about 5 p.m. he was taken from Old Jewry to Moor Lane Police-station and charged with being concerned with other men not in custody in forging and uttering an order or request on March 16th for a cheque-book of Barclay's Bank, purporting to be signed by Mr. Sayer; also with forging and uttering a cheque for £484 9s. 6d. on March 17th, purporting to be signed by John L. Sayer—in answer to the charge he said, "I have committed no forgery"—a week after Muscovitz was brought in, the Gladstone bag and a light dust coat were shown to him—he said, "They belong to me, and I left them at Troubman's"—the things were given up to him, and he wore some of them.

Cross-examined by MR. BOYD. Seven of these cheques here are without the names.

FREDERICK HOLMES (City Police Inspector). I arrested Muscovitz on May 19 th—I had a conversation with him in English—he was afterwards charged with forging and uttering an order for a cheque-book on Messrs. Barclay's Bank, and with forging and uttering a cheque for £484 9s. 6d., the subject of the present indictment—when shown the request for the cheque-book and the cheque at the Old Jewry he said, "I know nothing about them"—he was taken to Moor Lane Police-station and charged—the charge was read over to him—he made no reply.

Cross-examined by Muscovitz. You were not asked if you had taken a cheque from Troubman—you were asked at the Police-office where you bought your watch—we took you in the train where there were several people, and never spoke about the charge—you told me you had changed English for French money for a man named Robinowitz.

JAMES MURPHY (City Police Inspector). On May 17th I took Kemmer-man in custody at Waterloo Station—he made a statement—he followed that up afterwards by a request to see me and Benton.

Troubman, in his defence, on oath, denied any intention to defraud, and blamed Muscovitz.

Evidence for the Defence.

YETTA TROUBMAN (Interpreted). I am the prisoner Troubman's wife—on the night of March 13th he gave me a blank cheque signed with his name—he told me to go to my sister's and fill it up for £4 10s. 7d. to meet a tax bill and the rent to Sayer—I went downstairs into the restaurant—I could not leave the place on account of some customers, so I asked a customer named Weinstein to fill up the cheque—I went out to buy a stamp, and when I came back the cheque was sealed in an envelope with the tax bill—I posted the letter—the following Saturday, March 17th, my husband said there was a mistake—he fell ill, and did not leave the house during that day.

Cross-examined. I cannot write, nor read writing—it was Elias Weinstein

who filled up the cheque—I last saw him a week afterwards—he took his meals there almost every day, but not since my husband was in custody.

ANN ELLEN TROUBMAN . I am Troubman's sister—on Saturday, March 17th, I went to his house about 10.30—I found him ill—he did not go out all that day that I saw.

Cross-examined. I was living at 86, High Street, Whitechapel—I went back after tea—my brother was in the hospital from February 9th to March 9th—I used to fill up cheques for him—the October cheque for rent is my writing; the cheques of December, January, and February are not—I do not know who wrote the cheque for £l4 10s. 7d. in March, nor who wrote the letter.

Muscovitz, in his defence, on oath, denied all intention to defraud, and blamed Troubman.

TROUBMAN— GUILTY .— Five Years' Penal'Servitude. MUSCOVITZ— GUILTY .—He then PLEADED GUILTY to forging and uttering a cheque for £243 7s. 3d. on the London and Westminster Bank. There was another indictment gainst him.— Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-433
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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No evidence was offered.


OLD COURT.—Monday, July 3rd, 1900.

Before Mr. Recorder.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-434
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > with recommendation
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment; Imprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > hard labour

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434. OSCAR NEWHAM, WILLIAM BURFORD, MORRIS JOSEPH and EMANUEL JOSEPH . [No charges listed; see body of text below: see original trial image]

THE SOLICITOR-GENERAL, MR. CASSERLEY, MR. SUTTON, and MR. A. GILL Prosecuted; MR. MUIR appeared for Newham, MR. MOYSES and MR. S. CLARKE for Burford, SIR EDWARD CLARKE and MR. C. MATHHEWS for Morris Joseph, and MR. C. F. GILL, Q.C., and MR. RANDOLPH for Emanuel Joseph.

GEORGE FORD . I am Superintendent to the Postal Stores, Mount Pleasant—this (Produced) is a form of tender which we had with the Josephs for condemned stores—on the second page there is a list of articles tendered for—the price for string is £4 5s. 1d. per ton, painted canvas at £8 2s. 6d. per ton—this letter was written to Messrs. Joseph on May 12th—(Read: Stating that the Postmaster-General accepted their tender for condemned string and canvas during the year 1900, and that the remainder of the tender was declined with thanks.)—the name "A. Joseph" is the name signed on the form of tender—at the beginning of every month I have a written report from the assistant storekeeper, stating how much string or canvas there is to be disposed of—I then write informing the contractors for a cheque to the value of the string, in accordance with the terms of their contract—I send the contract to the Accountant-General's office and ask for the quantity of string that the contractors are entitled to—it is presented by them to the storekeeper and the matter passes out of my hands—the condemned string and painted

canvas is kept in what is known as the bag-room—no other Post Office stores pass through the same room, to my knowledge—I do not know anything about the bag duties; that is a separate room downstairs.

Cross-examined by MR. MUIR. I believe Newham has been in the Post Office about 10 years—I have not made any inquiry with regard to his mode of living—I think his wages were 24s. a week—the bags are sorted in the basement, which is somewhat imperfectly lighted, and sometimes very much overcrowded; it was overcrowded in April last—new bags were packed at Kennington—I do not know if bags of the same sort and string of the same sort that were packed at the Central Post Office were packed at Kennington.

Cross-examined by MR. C. GILL. I have nothing to do with the practical working of the rooms: that is the duty of the storekeeper or his assistant—my business is in connection with the clerical work—the contractors pay for the goods before they take them away, and must take whatever they get—they are not allowed to raise any question as to the quality—there is a clause in the contract to that effect—whatever is given to the people that the contractors send they must take away, but any complaints would be attended to—if there was anything in the complaint the Department would treat the contractor in a reasonable way.

Cross-examined by MR. S. CLARKE. I believe the sacks would be ready for the contractor before word was sent that they are ready—I do not see them myself; I simply go on the word of the storekeeper—all the carman who comes has to do is to take what is given him.

Re-examined. We have had no complaiats from the Josephs that they got plain canvas instead of string—the complaints have been on our side, not on theirs.

JOHN RICHARDS (Police Sergeant, G). On April 18th, 19th, and 20th I watched the Stores at Mount Pleasant in consequence of instructions given me—on April 18th I saw a van there with the name of Evans on it—there was a driver and two other men—one man was Burford—on April 19th I saw another van there, with a driver and two other men; one of them was Burford; and also on the 20th I saw a van with a driver and two other men—one of them was Burford—on April 18th I saw the van leave the Postal Stores with a driver, Burford and another man upon it—the van was laden with canvas bags—I cannot say how many, it was quite full—I followed it to the Borough Road, where I was relieved by Detective Girdle—on April 19th I followed the van as far as Pearce & Plenty's shop in Farringdon Road, where I was relieved by Inspector Morgan—the van was full of canvas bags—on the 20th I followed it to Pearce & Plenty's shop again, where I was relieved by Inspector Morgan—the van was again loaded with canvas bags.

FRANK GIRDLE (Policeman N). On April 18th I was keeping observation in the Borough Road—about 5.30 p.m. I saw a van coming down Ontario Street laden with old mail bags, with the name of Evans on it, driven by an old man who I now know is named Tucker—Burford was on the van and another whom I cannot identify—the last witness was following the van—I then followed it into Ontario Street, where the Josephs' premises are—it pulled up outside their premises, which have also got an

entry into Earl Street—you can go through from one warehouse to the other—Burford got down from the van and went inside, and after some time came out and commenced unloading the van, cutting each bag as he unloaded it and putting his hand inside—he split each bag in the centre—he pulled out string from each—I was standing about 30 paces away, at the top of Lancaster Street—the bags were carried into the warehouse with their contents—Burford put his hand inside the bags and pulled out the string to see what was inside—40 sacks were taken in—I saw Mr. Emanuel Joseph come out of the warehouse and come towards me; he passed me and went into Lancaster Street, and then turned into Earl Street—the unloading was still going on while he was there—I then saw the van being led round by Burford into Earl Street from Ontario Street, and on the van were 16 bags; nine were on the tailboard and seven in front—they were carried into the warehouse in Earl Street—I reported to Inspector Godley—on April 19 th I again kept observation in the Borough Road at the same time—about 5.30 I saw a van coming up the road, followed by Inspector Morgan—a man whom I did not know was driving; I think his name is Selby; there was another man on it, and also Burford—I do not know the other man—"Alexander Joseph, Earl Street," was on the van—I followed it into Ontario Street; it pulled up outside the Josephs' premises—Burford unloaded eight bags, and 24 bags were brought out of the warehouse and placed on the van—the eight bags were part of those he had on when I followed him—the load was tied down, and the van backed into a shed at the warehouse at Ontario Street—I saw Mr. Morris Joseph come out of the warehouse; he seemed to be giving orders to the men—I made a report to Mr. Godley—on the 20th I went to the same place again—about the same time I saw another van driven by a man named Slade—there were also on it Burford and a man named Musbrook—it was followed by Inspector Morgan—I followed it into Ontario Street, where I saw 10 bags unloaded by Burford and carried into the warehouse—then 20 bags were brought out and loaded on to the van—Mr. Morris Joseph came out of the warehouse and walked up towards me in Ontario Street—as soon as he saw me he walked back into the warehouse—at that time of the day the street is quiet—I had a clear view of what was going on—when the 20 bags were on the van it was driven away by Burford, up the Borough Road, and I reported to Mr. Godley—on the 20th 24 old mail bags were entrusted to me about 6.30 p.m.; they contained canvas and string—they were in a shed which had been an old stable at the premises of the Josephs; 11 other bags were given to me, full of string and canvas—they were at the Ontario Street entrance of the warehouse—I took them to the Southwark Police-station where I safely guarded them—on the 21st I conveyed them to King's Cross Police-station, where I was assisted by other officers in examining them—we emptied them all—there was a lump of string in that corner and a large lump of string in this corner, then canvas here and there (A bag was produced)—the string and the canvas were in alternate layers—this slit was opposite string—we sorted the contents, and separated the string from the canvas—we put them into separate bags, marked them, and left them at King's Cross Station—I did not weigh them—the same

day, about 4 p.m., I examined 70 bags at the Southwark Police-station—they were on a van which had been in the possession of Slade when he was arrested by Sergeant Divall—the bags all contained string.

Cross-examined by MR. MUIR. This bag is one of the 24 which I took possession of from Earl Street—all the 35 bags had rings on—it was a bag like this that Burford cut—I cannot swear that he cut this one.

Cross-examined by MR. S. CLARKE. Burford could see me watching him—he still went on with his work—he was the only man on the van—there were half-a-dozen men carrying the bags in—he could see where they were carried to—they were all tied up at the mouth—I have not cut this bag since I have had it; it was cut when I found it—Burford would have to cut the bags to find out what was inside.

Re-examined. I sealed the bags up in the cells at the station to prevent other people touching them—I do not know when the bags of the second load were cut.

BENJAMIN MORGAN (Police Inspector, G). I kept observation at the Postal Stores at Mount Pleasant on Thursday and Friday, April 19th and 20th—on the afternoon of the 19th I saw a van leave the Postal Stores—a man named Selby was driving—a man named Albert Dear as well as Burford was on the van—I followed it to Messrs. Joseph's premises at Earl Street, Southwark—I handed over the duty of observation to Girdle—on the 20th I followed a van in the same way from the Postal Stores; Burford was there, Slade was driving, and Musbrook was also on the van—I handed over the observation to Girdle—in the evening of the same day I went to Messrs. Joseph's warehouse in Ontario Street with Sergeant Divall, Inspector Godley, and Detective Walker from the Post Office—I saw Mr. Morris Joseph, and at my request he accompanied me to the Ontario Street entrance, where Burford was unloading a van—I said to Burford, "Here, Burford, I want you"—he came up to Mr. Joseph and myself—I said, addressing both of them, "We are inspectors of police"—Mr. Morris Joseph said "Where do you come from!"—I produced my warrant card and said, "I am Inspector Morgan, of King's Cross and this is Inspector Godley from the Southwark District, and this is Inspector Walker from the General Post Office. Now listen to me. We have seen some Post Office bags delivered here this afternoon from the Mount Pleasant stores at Clerkenwell, and from information we have received, we have reason to believe that bags of old string bought by you from the Post Office authorities are believed to contain canvas"—Mr. Morris Joseph said, "I do not know what you are referring to; I buy canvas and string from the Post Office at Mount Pleasant, but I do not go for it, and I do not know what has been brought here"—there were 11 old Post Office bags piled one on another about two yards from the Ontario Street warehouse—they were by themselves, and full—addressing both of them, I said, "I want those bags opened"—Mr. Joseph directed Burford to open them, which he did by ripping them open—before he opened them I saw there was a slit on one side of each bag, and string was protruding—all that could be observed was old string—all the 11 were opened in my presence, Morris Joseph standing by—they all contained old string and canvas, but the largest proportion of canvas—I

said, "How do you account for this?"—Mr. Morris Joseph said, "I did not go to Mount Pleasant for it; I have not seen it until now, and I know nothing about it"—Burford made no reply—addressing both of them, I said, "Now, I want to go to the stable adjoining the warehouse in Earl Street, as I have reason to believe that I shall find more bags there"—Mr. Joseph and Burford accompanied me, and I was followed by Godley and Walker—upon entering the old stable, I found 24 full old Post Office bags piled one on another—they were about the centre of the stable by themselves—there were only a few bags of rags in the stable besides—addressing both of them, I said, "I want those bags opened"—Mr. Morris Joseph directed Burford to open them, which he did, as he had the others, in a similar way—each bag was packed as the others were, with old string and canvas, and had string protruding; the largest proportion was of canvas—as the bags were being opened Mr. Morris Joseph said, "I have something else to do"—I said, "This is a serious matter which affects both of you, and I must insist on your stopping"—he again wanted to leave—I said, "No, you must stop"—we then returned to Ontario-Street, leaving Girdle to look after the bags—I said to Mr. Morris Joseph, "Now I want you to show us your books relating to the purchase and sale of canvas"—he said, "Wait until I consult my partners to-morrow"—I said, "So far as we know your partners are your brothers"—he said, "I must consult my partners"—I then asked him to give us the name of any person to whom he had sold or from whom he had bought Post Office canvas other than painted canvas"—he said, "I cannot until I have consulted my partners to-morrow"—I said, "Well, you are a responsible tradesman and a large Government contractor, and, with the exception of allowing us to go through your warehouse without opposition, you have not rendered us any assistance, or given us any information"—he said, "I hope you will not think or say that"—I said, "You have not rendered us any assistance, and it will now rest with the Post Office authorities as to what action they may take against you," and to Burford I said, "As for you, Burford, you will now be taken into custody, and charged with being concerned, with others, in stealing this canvas from the Post Office stores"—he made no answer—next day I went to the bag store-room, at the Postal Stores, Mount Pleasant, about 11.30 a.m.—I was accompanied by Mr. Curtiss, Mr. Aldridge, Mr. Skinner, and Mr. Walker, all belonging to the Post-Office—I saw Newham and a man named Barnsley, a witness in the case—I told them that we had two men in custody for stealing canvas—we arrested Slade as well, but he was discharged by the Magistrate—I said to them, "I want you to show us where Messrs. Joseph's vans were loaded from on the last three days, the 18th, 19th and 20th"—they both pointed to a large stack of Post Office bags at one corner of the store-room, and said, "They loaded from there"—I said, "I want some of those bags cut open"—they cut open 20 or 30—some of them were taken from the top pile, and some from another part—they all contained old string and no canvas at all—I invited them to cut open any bag, but none of them contained canvas—I said to Barnsley, "Were you here when Messrs. Joseph's van was loaded here the last three days?"—he said, "No, I was in another part of the premises"—I said to Newham "Were you here when the vans were loaded on the last three days?"—he said, "Yes"—I said,

"Was anybody else here?"—he said, "The overseer came down each day to see the bags removed, but when they had carried out about six or eight bags he went upstairs into the fresh air in the yard and there counted the bags as they were put on to the waggon, and did not return to the store-room"—I said, "Was anyone else here when the vans were loaded?"—he said, "Other men may have paid a flying visit, but they did not remain"—I said, "Is it possible that either of Messrs. Joseph's men could have packed the van with this canvas without your having seen them?"—he said, "No"—that was on Saturday, April 23rd—on Monday I went with Godley to Messrs. Joseph's warehouse about 9.30 a.m.—we made a search and found some old canvas, and when Mr. Emanuel Joseph arrived we were examining it with Mr. Wilson from the Post-office—Mr. Emanuel Joseph said, "I cannot understand the meaning of this; you appear to be acting only upon suspicion, probably the information of a malicious discharged servant or an anonymous letter"—I said, "We are not so much concerned about the suspicion as about the Post Office canvas, which we found on your premises, which you did not buy from the Post Office, and we want to know how it came here"—he said, "We cannot assist you"—we then went into Mr. Joseph's office in Earl Street; it is in the same building—I said, "We want to see the men who went with the vans to Mount Pleasant on the 18th, 19th, and 20th"—he said, "I do not know who they were"—I said, "It is absurd, because in the event of your being robbed or an accident, you certainly could find out"—he said, "I will see," and he sent for a man named Holmes, who ultimately gave us the names of the men—we proceeded to take statements, and as we were taking statements from a man named Flatterly, who was on the van on the first day, Mr. Emanuel Joseph interrupted—I said, "Please don't interrupt; you may have a copy of the men's statements after we have done"—we then went on, and Mr. Joseph ceased to interrupt—when we asked Flatterly to sign Mr. Emanuel Joseph said, "Remember you are not obliged to sign anything"—I asked Flatterly to sign—I did the talking, while Godley was writing—I said, "Please do not interfere; this man is responsible for his own actions; if the statement is true there can be no objection to his signing it; if it is untrue there is the greatest possible objection"—Flatterly then put his mark on the paper, as he could not write—I went back there again at 2 o'clock to take a statement from a man named Musbrook, who was not there before—Emanuel Joseph was there—he said, "We have found canvas in the bags of string from time to time, but said nothing about if, as the string was inferior in quality for which we contract; we have found canvas in the bags of string at other times, and have had them placed in the stable, where you found them, with the intention of writing to the postal authorities to cull attention to it; I am sorry you came and found them before we had an opportunity of writing; this has worried me considerably, and I shall be glad when it is all over"—I again asked him for the names and addresses of persons of whom they had bought and to whom they had sold canvas—he told me they had sold cauvas to Messrs. Dickenson & Co., paper manufacturers, Old Bailey, but he could not think of anyone else, and that they had bought some canvas from a firm named Cohen, whose premises are at Southwark.

Cross-examined by MR. MOYSES. Burford was in custody a week—I was present when Godley took him away—I heard Mr. Morris Joseph say that Burford knew nothing about it.

Cross-examined by MR. C. GILL. I was first communicated with by Godley in reference to this case in March—I went to the Post Office on March 29th—Godley and I are both of the same rank, but I am the senior—the first time that I saw Emanuel Joseph was on April 23rd—he told me he could not tell me the names of the persons who drove the carts as the business was a very large one, and that they employed about 200 people—I have not got the book in which I made my original note of the conversation with Mr. Emanuel Joseph—he said he had dealings with Messrs. Rosenbloom—I should say we were at the office on the morning of the 23rd from 10 to 12—it was some days afterwards that the Josephs were arrested, Mr. Morris on May 5th, and Mr. Emanuel on the 7th—they were both at the Police-court.

Cross-examined by MR. MATHEWS. I saw Mr. Morris Joseph about 6 p.m. on May 4th—he told me he had been away for a holiday and had only returned on April 19th, and was at the Isle of Wight on April 8th, the first day that these things arrived.

Re-examined. On April 23rd I prepared a report from the note I had taken of the conversation with Mr. Emanuel Joseph—I have it here—the name Rosenbloom was given to me in reference to some old military canvas, and not to Post Office canvas.

GEORGE GODLEY (Police Inspector). On Friday evening, April 20th, I went with Inspector Walker and others to Joseph's house in Ontario Street, and just inside the entrance I saw 11 bags on the floor, with string protruding from a slit—they were opened by the prisoner Burford in Morris Joseph's presence, and contained nearly all canvas—at the rear of the premises I saw 24 similar bags containing a small quantity of string and canvas—I took Burford in custody, and said he would be charged with other persons for stealing the canvas—on the way to the station he said, "This is a nice thing for me; I have five children at home, I am only a servant, and do what my governor tells me, I took off the bags that contained the canvas, as the bag was of more value than the string"—at the station I said, "You will be detained here all night"—he made no reply—on the 23rd I went to Joseph's with Morgan, Walker, and other officers, and made a further examination of the premises—we also sent for five servants in Joseph's employ, and wrote down their statements in Emanuel's presence—Emanuel said, "I suppose you got your information from some malicious discharged person or from an anonymous letter?"—I said, "The information we got from an anonymous letter"—he said, "This case does worry me; I shall be glad when it is all over"—I was there again at 2 o'clock, and Morgan asked Emanuel to furnish the names of the persons to whom canvas had been sold—he said, "We have received canvas in the bags of string, but the string was of an inferior quality, we had not said anything about it, but we intended to return this canvas, and it was put into the sale for that purpose; I am sorry that you found it before we wrote to the Post Office."

Cross-examined by MR. MOYSES. I was alone on the 20th—I never asked him a single question—I put down what he said as soon as I got to the station—I put Burford into the room on the 21st and directed Divall to look after him—I do not think I was there a minute—I never asked Slade or Burford at any time if they would make a statement—I did not send for refreshment for them.

Cross-examined by MR. GILL. I put down the prisoner's statement on the 23rd by Morgan's direction, and when I got to the station I put down the conversation with Joseph—there were three of us, and there was considerable conversation—I wrote down nothing then that he said, only the statements of his servants—I have seen Morgan's notes—I went there at 8 till 12, and again at 2 o'clock, and stayed three-quarters of an hour—I made the note in the afternoon—this is it—Morgan asked the questions, and he said he bought canvas from the Post Office, and also from the Telegraph Office, and from the Borough, and from Dickenson and others—no note was made of the conversation as to returning the canvas in the stable—sometimes we had to wait—it was a disjointed conversation.

JAMES WALKER (Constable G.P.O.). On April 20th I went to Messrs. Joseph's premises in Ontario Street, and saw the 11 bags just under the entrance, and 24 bags in the shed at the stable in Earl Street—I examined them in the presence of Maudsley and Dooley—I afterwards saw those bags at the King's Cross Police-station—I saw their contents weighed in the station-yard—the total weight of canvas was 15 cwt. 2 qr. 19 lb., and of string 1 cwt. 2lb., and of coverings 3 cwt. 8 lb., making 18 cwt. 3 qr. 1 lb.—most of the canvas was plain—there were also six pieces of painted canvas, including one bag which weighed 9 1/4 lb.—the 15 cwt. 2 qr. 19lb. was less the 9 1/4 lb.—I went to Dover and saw Mr. Holiday, the manager to Wiggins, Teap & Co, paper-makers, of Buckland, who pointed out 20 canvas bags—I brought them to London and deposited them at King's Cross Station, and pointed them out to Mr. King on the 20th.

JOHN JAMES SKINNER . I am a clerk in the General Post Office—on the evening of April 20th, after Burford's arrest, I saw Newham, and as no charge had been made against him, I asked him what he was doing on the 18th, 19th, and 20th; he said that he had been filling bags for removal by the contractors, Messrs. Joseph, and that the bags had been placed on the new stack of string, and had not been taken away, as far as he knew, and that a man named Critchley had been working with him in doing this, and that he had put the string and canvas into separate stacks, the string to the right and the canvas to the left, and did not pack canvas and string together; that Critchley had been wheeling up to him, and he was on duty when the contractors' men came on the 18th, 19th and 20th, and that he did not know who had filled the bags, which had been put into the van on those days—he said that it was his duty to fill the bags, and he did his duty, but that he did not do the parking of the bags on the 18th, 19th and 20th, as it was not his duty to do it on those days; that he did not pack the bags which the Josephs took away on those days, and which were taken from stacks which had been there for years; that the bags of stuff taken by the Josephs should have contained string only, as they had not cleared any canvas that week, or he should have seen them

do so, and he should not have known what was in the bags unless they or their representatives told him; that Mr. Joseph had taken some coloured canvas, as he supposed they got a certain proportion of plain with the coloured, but canvas would not be string; that he did not know the name of the employing contractors who came there on the three days; it was possible that the Josephs had employed someone without his knowledge, but he did not say how it could occur that Joseph could receive string and canvas in one bag without his knowledge, but he did no give the contractors' men the sacks that he had on the three days named—it was not his duty to do so; it was the duty of the checker, Mr. Hawkins—he said that he was filling bags for re-issue when the contractors' men were there; that he could not account for the fact that all the 35 bags found at Messrs. Joseph's contained canvas wrapped in string; that it was his duty to fill the bags for the contractors, but he had been assisted by other men, and the contractors' men could not have put the canvas into the bags without his knowledge; that on the 18th, 19th, and 20th there was only one man at the place, and he assisted in filling the bags for removal, and to his knowledge the old sacks had been there about 14 months, and the Josephs were served from it on the 18th, 19th, and 20th—I saw him again on April 23rd, and be said that it was his duty to indicate under the direction of his superior officer, Mr. Barnsby, to the contractors' men, who came for the string, the heap from which they should take their bags—he gave Stewart, Bates, Katze, and Sunn as the men who assisted him to pack string during the last 12 months; that on the 18th, 19th, and 20th, when the men were removing the string, he was in the bag-room, and Mr. Barnsby came into the room and asked him if all was right—on June 8th I went; to Mr. Joinson's mill at St. Mary Cray, and he pointed out to me a number of bales which appeared to be Post Office bags, gunny bags—I examined two of them; they contained 1 cwt. 3 qr. 20 lb. and 2 cwt. 0 qr. 17 1b. of Post Office bags; the second contained 1 cwt. 12 qr. 12 lb., and contained 1 cwt. 0 qr. 1 lb. of Post Oflice bags.

WILLIAM HENRY HOPKINS . I am a first class store man at the Post Office Stores, Mount Pleasant—on April 18th I was on duty and went with Hawkins to the bag-room about 3.45, and found Burford, Tucker, and Newham there—Newham was the only Post Office official there—I asked him to point me out the sacks where Messrs. Joseph were clearing away the old string—he did so; they were in the place where the string was supposed to be—there were slits in them by which I could see that they contained string—I then gave permission to load—I did not examine them; I accepted what Newham said, and I was satisfied when I saw that it was string—I then went upstairs with Hawkins, whose duty it was to check the number of bags which were loaded on the cart—Mr. Barnsby is Newham's superior officer; he has an office of his own, which is divided from Newham's by the road—the room is dark; it is underground, and is lighted by the electric light all day.

Cross-examined by MR. MUIR. The men had not begun to load on April 18th before I went down—the question I put to Newham was, Which stack has Joseph been taking the goods from?"—there were two stacks of string, and one of canvas.

Re-examined. There was nothing to prevent them taking some from another stack after I left—I trusted to Newham.

MR. HAWKINS. I am second class store man at the P.O. Stores, Mount Pleasant—on April 18th I accompanied Mr. Hopkins down to the bag-room, and saw Newham and two or three of Messrs. Joseph's men—Hopkins asked for the stack which the bags were to be taken from by the contractors, and Newham pointed to the Stack furthest from the door; that is the stack where string is usually kept—Hopkins instructed me to go up into the roadway and check the bags—60 were loaded; there was a slit in each, from which string protruded—that is the usual thing—next day, April 19th, I was there again, and saw 60 bags brought up from the bagroom to Joseph's van—they were the same as before, with string showing from each—Burford was there on both days—I told Newham that the bags were to be taken from the same stack as they were on the 18th—on Friday, April 20th, I was on duty in the same way, and saw 60 bags brought up and loaded, with string showing from the gaps—Burford was present and checked them.

Cross-examined by MR. MUIR. Hopkins said to Newham, "Which is the stack the Josephs have been loading from?" and he pointed it out—next day he was not there, and I gave the directions—there is a checking of the number of bags going out—I did not check them from this underground room till after this case, when I had instructions to do so—I could have done it—the van is not loaded under cover—I have never done it below in wet weather.

Cross-examined by MR. MOYSES. The 60 bags were loaded on one van—three men came with the van—the same men might come on two ✗con-ecutive days, but I only recognize Burford—I saw Slade at the Police-court.

Cross-examined by SIR E. CLARKE. There was nothing in the appearance of the bags which excited my suspicion; they were all of the same quality, as far as I could see.

Re-examined. I was temporarily employed—I was taking on fresh duty on that occasion—this was practically my first checking.

JAMES ALLEN BARNSBY . I am a third class store man—I have been in charge of the bagroom since October, 1898—my duty consists in examining bags for condemnation and weighing old string and arranging bags for re-issue—three men were employed under me; Newham was one of them—he has been employed since about June, 1899—Boyton was another, and Grant, Hancock and Cline, and, I believe, Crutchley; sometimes one and sometimes another—they changed them sometimes—Newham worked in the old bagroom—I worked on the other side in a separate building, and there was a yard between us—the other two men worked in the same room as me—one was weighing canvas, and the other cutting waterproof straps—my duty was to examine bags sent for condemnation—since March last we took the rings from the canvas, according to orders—before that they were left on—when condemned it is bagged by one of my assistants—the weight would be 2lb. less without the ring—Newham has had nothing to do with bagging up old canvas since March last—when a bag is condemned it is tied up and carried across the road, and the name of the office stencilled on it in the

old bagroom where Newham worked—I take the canvas as well as the string—the bag is slit to see what the contents are, and put away—Newham turns the bag out, and passes it on if it is good, and it is taken away to the depot by a van to Kennington—I am speaking of the bags which are re-issued—bags which are found not fit for duty are placed on one side for my inspection, and I decide whether they are to be repaired or condemned—bags are examined daily to see if they are fit for service—those which I condemn are sent to the bag-room—I did not condemn any in Newham's room—Newham would exercise his discretion on the bags sent to his room, and those that were unfit would be placed on one side for my inspection, and I should examine them and condemn them or not—the rings would then be cut off, and they would be made up into 66lb. and sent back—a bag contains 66lb. of old canvas—other beings would arrive containing string and old canvas—the bag would be cut, and if he saw it was canvas it would be placed on one side for the ring to be cut off—there was no means of checking what Newham sent to me with what he received—the old canvas would be bagged up with the old canvas which I condemned—the old string comes to Newham's room from all parts of the kingdom, and if it comes from the London district it would weigh 58 lb.—60 lb. is the proper weight—his duty is to take it out and re-bag it in bags of the same weight as the others—on April 18th, 19th and 20th I was on duty when Messrs. Joseph's van arrived, in my room on the opposite side of the road—Newham was doing bag-folding in the Old Bailey—his duty would be to receive the driver's ticket forwarded by the contractors' showing the amount of goods—I should then send it by one of my own assistants to the checker-out first-class office, and he would come down to the Old Bailey and check the string out—it was my duty to point out to the contractors' men what their work was—I should then sometimes go on with my work, and sometimes I should go down and see what was going on—I should give the order to the checker-out—I have no idea how it was that the canvas and string were mixed together.

Cross-examined by MR. MUIR. Newham worked in other parts, of the building before he came to me, about December 1898—since then he has worked with me, but he has been working on other duties as well—he takes his orders from me, I had to decide what work he did—since March last he has had nothing to do with bagging in the old bag room—since that the bagging of old bags has taken place in my department, away from his place altogether—there is a door by which I can get access to the premises across the road—my assistant and I were constantly going into the old bag-room—Newham goes there at 9 a.m. and leaves at 5 p.m.—he has to pull and sort all the bags that come in—about 250 bags full come in a week—every bag comes in full and he cuts the string and turns them out—230 is only the number of covering bags—that is the average number—there are 28 or 30 bags in each covering bag. every one of which has to pass through his hands—he folds them into different sizes and puts them in bundles of 10 each—all the time that is going on, men are coming in who desire to see those bags and take them out, and that is going on all day long—

the store porter takes them out, and if they want 20 bags or 100 bags they ask for them and take them away and despatch them—there are also four boys who come in for bags for the contractors' office—the contractors' men generally come in once a day for them—the bags I condemn are stacked up and sent across, so that the whole time Newham is working there are messengers from different departments coming in—I have occasion to go there five or six times a day—if I saw anyone mixing upstring and canvas I should detect it at once—to open a bag of string and a bag of canvas and mix them together could not be done under eight or nine minutes, working hard—the men had not a lot of spare time—the bags must be completely turned out, and they would have to be mixed; he would have to turn two bags out—if he did it in the old bag room he would have to get a bag of canvas from my room and bag it up in his room—old canvas comes to his room, and he simply takes them and places them on the rack—in addition to string, which comes from all parts of the country, there are bags from the General Post Office, London, already packed and weighed—when they arrive at Mount Pleasant they are already slit, and Newham's duty is to test the weight and put them away without opening them—about 100 bags a week, on an average, come to Mount Pleasant in that way, weighing 60 1b. each; that is 6,000 lb.—I have sometimes been present when they arrived—only one here and there is weighed—if Newham found that one weighed heavier than the other it would he his duty to take it out—all bags that go to the country are weighed before going—60 lb. is the weight of the bags of string, and 58 lb. the canvas, but 56 lb. only since the rings have been cut off—the bags come in ready weighed from the Kennington Stores; sometimes 15 or 16 bags of canvas would come from there, and 18 or 19 bags of string, but sometimes we do not receive any for two or three weeks; they would be slit in the same way to show their contents—Newham bad also the duty of filling bags with string of a certain weight—he was sometimes assisted in that—I do not remember anyinstance when he did it alone—one man holds the bag, and the other fills it—sometimes I have not a man to assist him, but I generally send one or go myself—one of the doors leading into this underground place is secured with a lock and bolt, and the other which leads from the back is a lock door; the messenger has the key; I hand it to him, and he hands it to me in the morning—the yard goes out into Farringdon Street—the old bag-room was pretty full on April 18th, 19th, and 20th, going up to the ceiling very high—I was not there when the heap was put there, and I have been there since October, 1898; it is a very old stack—the stacks are close together—the back door is not a lock-fast door; it leads into the back yard; anybody could get access to it from Mount Pleasant, but there is a bolt on it now.

Cross-examined by MR. GILL. The canvas and string are put in the same room close to each other; it was very much in arrear then, but we have got rid of a lot of stuff now—the staff were pretty hard worked—I, believe that canvas and string came there in the same way—there are different qualities of string, it is mixed up, it all goes together; some of it is much better than the other.

Re-examined. It was my business to be there all day, except at the

dinner-hour, 1 to 1.30—we were not all away at the same time; I should have the key till Newham came back—his room was locked when he was away—a number of bags would come to his room during the day, which he would have to sore—there is no reason whatever why this bag (Produced) should have been condemned—it is slit down the centre; the slit is made on condemnation, but we receive bags like it; this is a made slit, first a cut and then a tear. (The Court here adjourned to Thursday next.)

Thursday, July 5th.

J.A. BARNSBY (Re-examination continued). String was not packed in my room, but in the room where Newham worked—there is no record kept of the amount of canvas bags that comes into Newham's room, nor of the amount of canvas that is brought to Newham's room from my room—there is a record on a daily sheet and in a book of the canvas that goes back to Newham's room—the list goes to the assistant storekeeper each morning—that shows the number of bags that are put into stock ready for sale or for the contractor to take away—they would certainly never contain a mixture of string and canvas—no bags leave my room as condemned unless they are slit up—this bag (Produced) is rotten—it has not been condemned, and would not have passed through my room—all these which have no slit up in them have not been condemned.

ALFRED CRITCHLEY . I am a labourer in the General Post Office, and have been employed under Mr. Barnsby in the Postal Stores—I began work there on March 5th, and have been continuous with two exceptions—on March 8th I left Mr. Barnsby and went downstairs into the Stationery Department, but returned on the 17th—I left again on April 3rd or 4th; I cannot say for how long—I left on a Tuesday and returned on a Tuesday, but whether it was the following Tuesday or the Tuesday week I cannot tell you—when I was in Barnsby's room on the first occasion my duty was to cut straps off old pouches—I had no duty in connection with string—I had to bag up plain and also coloured canvas; they used to go together—I made up the canvas into weights of 56 lb.—then I used to take them over and mark out the name on the outside of the bag, put a slit on either side about 1 ft. long, and then stow them away in a corner of the bag-room, where Newham was employed—about twice a week more bags would come on a van; the man in charge of the van would pass them down a shute into the bag-room, and I was told off to assist Newham in receiving them—at first I did not know what they contained; they were not opened, but stowed up just behind us out of the way—on one occasion I stowed a number of bags from by the shute into another part of the bag-room—I had been sent down to Newham's room by Mr. Barnsby—Newham showed me the bags, and where he wanted them shifted to—I put a slit in some of the bags when they arrived, as they had none when they came—I only slit them on that one occasion—I cannot say who did it when I did not do it—I did not see anybody else put a slit in them—when I was there I never packed canvas and string together.

Cross-examined by MR. MUIR. I did not see any of the bags weighed when they came in that way—the van which brought them came from the London Postal Service in St. Martins-le-Grand—about 40 or 50 bags came.

Cross-examined by MR. C. GILL. A certain amount of string and a certain amount of canvas would arrive in the same van to the bag-room—we were very hard put to it for room in the bag-room—there was quite enough to do in connection with the old stores department—I believe the bags which came in were made up to about 56 lb. weight.

EDMUND HANBOROUGH JOYNSON . I carry on business as William Joynson & Sons, paper-makers, at St. Mary Cray—I have done business with Messrs. A. Joseph & Co.—it has been personally conducted by Mr. Emanuel Joseph—my last invoice from the Josephs is dated February 28th, 1900—since June, 1899, I have purchased canvas to the amount of 23 tons and some hundredweights at £13 5s. per ton at Blackfriars—when this prosecution was started I still had 12 tons 7 cwt, of it in my possession—I remember Mr. Skinner from the Post Office visiting my premises, but I will not be sure of the date—I showed him the canvas I had remaining, and he examined the contents of two bags in my presence—subsequently the 12 tons were removed from my premises by Inspector Walker; the rest of the 23 tons had been pulped—I have purchased Post Ooffice canvas from Mr. Nash, a Post Office contractor—all that is not in stock that I have purchased from him has been pulped.

Cross-examined by MR. C. GILL. My firm has been in existence for over 60 years—we have done business with Messrs. A. Joseph—I can remember them for 20 years—our business relations have always been of a satisfactory character—the amount of canvas that we have purchased from them since June 1st, 1899, may be 21 tons—I am willing to take that figure.

MORRIS. I live at Watford, and am a buyer in the employment of Messrs. Dickenson & Co., paper manufacturers—I know the Messrs. Joseph—I have done business with them from time to time—we buy rags or canvas to be made into pulp in the paper factory—on March 8th last I called on Mr. Emanuel Joseph at Earl Street, and I gave him an order—he asked me if I wanted Post Office bags—I said I would let them know—subsequently I received this letter from them, dated March 17th: "You promised to let me know about 3 or 4 tons P.O. bags. They are a good, cheap parcel. Can I send them to you?"—on March 20th I wrote in reply, "We have yours of the 17th inst but regret that at the present we are not in want of Post Office bags

Cross-examined by MR. C. GILL. I can just remember the father of the prisoners Joseph—my knowledge of the business extends back to about 15 years ago—our business relations with the firm have always been of a satisfactory character.

HENRY HOBDAY . I am manager to Messrs. Wiggings, Teap & Co., paper manufacturers, of Dover—I know Emanuel Joseph in the way of trade—I have bought rags from him on behalf of my firm—I remember his calling on me at Dover on March 12th—he asked me to buy some rags—at the finish of the conversation he said, "What about Post Office bags; will you buy any?" or words to that effect—I asked him the price—he said 13s. 6d. per cwt.—I ordered 30 cwt.—they arrived—I think there was 31 cwt—this is the invoice—(Read: giving the weight as 31 cwt. 23 lb. at 13s. 6d.; £21 1s. 4d.; and dated Marchl5th)—they remained at our premises untouched till June 1st, when Inspector Walker came and

removed them—I think that is the only transaction in Post Office bags we ever had with Messrs. A. Joseph—if there was another, it was 10 or 12 years ago.

NASH. I am a member of the firm of William Nash, paper manufacturers, of St. Paul's Cray—since June, 1899, we have had a contract with the Post Office for the purchase of plain canvas for the period of one year, at £14 per ton—this is our tender (Produced)—some of the canvas that we have bought we have used ourselves—some we have sold to Messrs. Joynson, and some we have now in stock; we have not disposed of any of it to anybody else—I know Messrs. Marsden—I have not met anyone connected with them till I met them at this trial, but I have had dealings with them—between June, 1899, and April last we have bought 31 cwt. of canvas bags containing bags since June, 1899, up to April last we have bought 85 tons of old canvas from the Post Office—that was removed by us from the bag-room at Mount Pleasant—that represented a large number of bags; we never found any string in them, to my knowledge.

KING. I am assistant storekeeper at the Postal Stores at Mount Pleasant—the bag-room is in my department—Barnsby and Newham are both under my supervision. The third class storeman Barnsby is the man at present employed in examining canvas, with an assistant to help him to bag—Critchley is the assistant—the packing of the string is principally done by Newham in the lower bag-room—he would have a man casually helping him; there have been several men who have helped him, our floating staff would be so employed—Newham's principal duty would be folding bags—when the bags come down the shute, Newham would turn them out of the containing bags and examine them, and, if worth repairing, lay them aside for repair, and if sound lay them aside for re-issuing, and if bad lay them aside for Barnsby to examine, and they would be condemned—the ones that were to be re-issued would be taken from Newham's room; those are departmental bags; the other bags would come in the same way, but dealt with differently; some of them would be delivered by the railway company into Newham's room, when they would be examined by Newham or Barnsby—they would be mail bags—if they were put down the shute they would be examined by Newham and Barnsby, and treated in the same way as the other bags, out not folded—they would be mainly from the provinces—Newham's ordinary hours were from 9 till 5—if his bag-folding work was pretty free, he would assist Barnsly or the casual labourer in packing up the condemned canvas—the painted canvas should be kept separate from the plain, and the string kept by itself—I used to go to the rooms under my control twice a day—I have seen Newham packing string and canvas—Barnsby might help him if his own work was light, but it has not been for the last few months—the responsible person downstairs would be Newham—I was on duty at the Postal Stores on April 18th, 19th, and 20th—I saw Messrs. Joseph's vans loading—on the 20th I went to the bag-room in the afternoon, while the bags were being taken away—Newham was against the stack, directing the men—I went down to ensure that Hawkins, who was a new man, was doing his work correctly—I went to see why Newham had not

opened the shute doors—he said he was directing the men where to take the string from—I said, "You must not keep the men waiting; run up and open the doors at once," and he did so—there was no other Post Office official there except the man checking, and he was at the top of the stairs—I have myself examined the contents of the 35 bags which were found in Ontario Street—I saw them in a cell at King's Cross Police-station—they were pointed out to me by Walker—altogether I found 234 parcel-post bags, 224 of those were ripped, 300 mail bags, 91 postal store bugs, 125 tops and bottoms of bags, 21 old canvas aprons, 335 old parcel-post canvas labels, one canvas Scotch wallet, and 9 1/4 lb. of painted and coloured canvas, the total weight being 15 cwt. 2 qr. 19 lb., out of which only 9 1/4 lb. was painted and coloured—all the goods I found were the property of the Post Office, and except the 9 1/4 lb. of plain canvas, it was all outside the Josephs' contract, and bad not been paid for, as it had been taken as string—the 35 bags which contained the material had had the stencilling on them obliterated, but that is the practice, and would be done in the bag-room—I found these papers (Produced) in the bags—many of our bags are used by provincial postmasters to send up their waste paper, and these are what was left in them—I found a piece of newspaper of January 1st, 1900, with the Liverpool post-mark on it, also an official cover of February 5th, 1900, addressed to the Accountant of the Post Office, Dublin—I found a registered letter list dated February 5th. 1900, with the Liverpool post-mark—there is a Liverpool Guide of 1897; it is an old unsaleable guide, which has been put away for two years—this is a label of April 2nd—it is attached to this bag, and is the latest date I have—there is "Great Western T.P.O., '00, up night mail" on the bag—a great number of the bags had the rings cut off—an order was issued that the rings should be first cut off the bags on February 27th, so I should infer that these were cut off subsequent to that—on June 8th I examined the canvas which was found at Joynson's mill—there was 12 tons, 7 cwt. 3 qr. 4 lb., out of which I found that 8 tons 15 cwt. 3 qr, 21 lb were plain canvas, that consisted of 3875 mail bags and newspaper sacks, 525 parcel post bags, 1080 Postal Stores Department bags, 150 entirely plain bags with no stencilling, all of which had been ripped and cut as condemned—I also found 960 mail bags and newspaper sacks which had not been ripped, 118 parcel-post bags and 55 Postal Stores Department bags, and 51 entirely plain bags—they had not been cut as condemned; in most cases they were proper bags to condemn—there were a few exceptions—there were many which should have been repaired—in those also I found pieces of paper and labels, a large number of the year 1899, commencing in October, 1898, and ending in December, 1899—there were also a few between 1886 and 1898 which had come from Ireland—I found three labels attached to old bags for repair, dated October 3rd, 16th, and December 22nd, 1899—I also examined the canvas taken from Messrs. Wiggins, Teap & Co. at Dover—I examined 30 cwt. 0qr. 6 lb., 20 bales in all—I found 16 cwt. 1 qr. 1 lb. of plain canvas—the containing bags weighed 1 cwt. 3 qr. 11 lb.—the plain canvas consisted of two Postal Stores bags and 21 new plain canvas bags—they had no stencilling at all on them

—they were probably issued for Christmas pressure and returned back to store unused, and in some cases they might have been condemned—I found 22 mail bags with the rings cut off, 36 parcel-post bags, three with the rings cut off, 325 mail bags and newspaper bags, all of which had been ripped and cut as condemned; there were also 24 mail bags with the rings cut off, four parcel-post bags, one with the ring cut off, 167 mail bags and newspaper sacks, none of which had been ripped—it was quite improper to send them out in that form—there were also 39 Post Office Savings Bank paper bags, some of which were ripped and some unripped—the whole bag only weighed 20 lb., but was the property of the Post Office—with it I found a large number of old papers with dates between November 18th, 1899, and January 3rd, 1900; I also found a repair label—between June 1st, 1899, and April last 5,640 bags of string were delivered to Messrs. Joseph in 1/2 cwts.; that is 140 tons—the weight of the containing bags would be 6 1/4 tons, or possibly a little more—they should have had nothing but string in them—between June, 1889, and April, 1890, Newham had duty attached to the bag-room every day, with three exceptions.

Cross-examined by MR. MUIR. I do not preside over the Mount Pleasant Department—I am assistant to the storekeeper—I have only partly control over Newham by issuing instructions to him—I am there constantly—there is a similar department to that at which Newham worked at the General Post Office, where, as far as I know, the same sort'of work is done—parting of string and slitting of bags is done at the General Post Office, and the same weight of bags—the slitting of bags has not been done at the General Post Office since January, 1899—when bags come there they are supposed to send them to Mount Pleasant for examination—our main bag depot is at Kennington—they do not put canvas in mail bags there to my knowledge—they do not pack string or bags at all—they send parcel post bags, from Mount Pleasant to Kennington daily, but under no circumstances do they send them there under pressure—the change of system was in January, 1899—we took over the whole of the women who repair the bags—up to that time there might have been a great state of chaos at Mount Pleasant, but that would not affect us—bags of string are not packed at Kennington, or sent from our place, only parcel-post bags in their own containing bags, which are known by a mark; they are obliterated and slit—those bags are sent from my department in another bag—2 or 3 tons of string a week come from the Post Office, and that has to be bagged up and weighed—there are about 20 bags in each containing bag, and having got them into his room, he would empty them on the floor, and make up his mind as to which were fit for repair, which were fit for use, and which he was to tie up—he would have assistance at the time of very great pressure—there are on the average 13 tons a month—we should have plenty of space if the contract was carried out properly—Newham had to dispose of 3 tons a week, but he gets half from the Post Office packed already—he must have assistance in packing string, which is sent him by the officer in charge of the work—he does not select his assistant; he might not have the same assistant two days in succession—there are four assistants engaged in the bag department—they are all here—they are third class

labourers—the work is heavy in the underground room, but we never allow a man to overwork, we have assistants—on April 20th the work was in arrear—I have said that there is insufficient space to contain these bags, because we have two rooms—during the summer months there is plenty of light, but not during winter—when I went there on April 20th Joseph's van was there, and had commenced to load—I stayed about two or three minutes—men were carrying the string up, and a man was checking them, and I saw another man waiting at the shoot door, about two yards from the van when I came; the door was not opened then—if a quantity of stuff had been shot down, the shoot doors would not have impeded the van at all.

Cross-examined by MR. MOYSES. One of the rooms is called the lower room, that is the same as the lower bag-room—I cannot say whether there are always three men with Josephs van—I have seen a carman and two labourers—it is not a fact that from June, 1897, to April, 1900, there had been eight checkers, only four—Barnsby has not acted as checker for some years—Smith has done it for four years, and there were Hopkins and Hawkins; they ask me which is the old heap, and which is the new, and the officers would instruct them which heap it is to be moved from.

Cross-examined by MR. GILL. There is about 4 ft. between, but no rail—in those heaps there are bags of canvas and string, all kept in separate heaps—that is the room in which I said that we were very much cramped for space, and not sufficient light, and artificial light is used, and in which there were complaints of the work being very heavy and greatly in arrear—what I call a division is a gangway through which you can walk—foreign bags are all painted with a line of paint—we have specimens here; this is a Brindisi bag; it has a line of paint outside.

Re-examined. They had been turned inside out in the sacks—we made the contracts—the dealings were entirely with Mount Pleasant, not with the General Post Office—there was a quantity of string there which Joseph's did not take the delivery of, and that accounts for our shortness of space—I wrote to the foreman, complaining of their delay—the contract price is £4 5s. 1d—there is electric light there, and there is plenty of light in summer, but if I was blind I could tell the difference between string and canvas—the men who point out the heap would have to inquire of Newham or the officer who was working there.

GEORGE FREDERICK SMITH . I am foreman porter in the Savings Bank department, G.P.O.—it is my duty to make up canvas bags for repair—in January last I made up 47 bags, 24 in one and 23 in the other, and put this label on them (Produced)—it is dated February 21st—they would go to the Postal Stores at Mount Pleasant.

MR. MOSELEY. I am manager to Marsh & Sons, of the Paper Mills, and have done business on their behalf with Messrs. Joseph—since June, 1899, I have purchased string from them—we commenced at £3 15s. perton—I suppose they took the best offer they could get—we continued to buy at that price from June to November, 1899, and got 53 tons and some cwts.—up to April 21st we bought at £4, and got a little over 70 tons—I had three deliveries in April—the number of bags is not given,

but the weight on April 21st was 2 tons; in the ordinary course it would be 70 or 80 tons—I found no canvas in any of the bags of string—the agreement was that we should buy in the Post Office bags—in June, 1899, they were not in Post Office bags, and there was considerable correspondence, and ultimately I gave it up on the understanding that they should be in Post Office bags in future—afterwards there was not the containing bag—we sold the containing bags to Mr. Nash—I was not aware that he had a contract with the Post Office—he came from St. Paul's Cray—I sold him 1 ton 11 cwt.—I have about 3 tons on hand, counting the unused string.

BENJAMIN MORGAN (Re-examined). I examined the 35 bags in Australia Street and Earl Street—I found no bags with string—I did not ask for any, and none were shown to me.

GEORGE FORD (Re-examined). No plain canvas was sold to anyone since June, 1899, except to Nash.

Newham, in his defence, on oath, stated that he had been about 10 years in the service of the Post Office, and was employed almost entirely in the lower bag-room at Mount Pleasant, under Mr. King and Mr. Barnsby; that he generally had assistance in packing the bags, but did not know by whom the bags were packed which were found at Josephs', containing partly string and partly canvas; that he had no right to select the stock from which the bags were taken, and did not do so; that he never had any dealings with Messrs. Joseph, and never saw them till they were at the Police-court; that there was no truth in the suggestion that he conspired with them, and had never received a farthing from them or from anybody.

Morris Joseph, in his defence, said, on oath, that his firm had been established 60 years and he had been a partner 10 years, and employed 200 to 250 persons. and seven or eight clerks; and the firm had a turnover of £200,000 or £250,000 a year; that he never took any part in the delivery except on one occasion he spoke to one of the men in passing him; that he had no knowledge of canvas being packed with the string, or of any wrong doing, and had never been to Mount Pleasant.

Emanuel Joseph, in his defence, on oath, said that he was a good deal away travelling on behalf of the firm; that he was away last Easter, and returned on April 18th about 2.30 p.m.; that he was not there on the Thursday or Friday; that he saw the load of string being undone on the 18th, but before it was finished he went home; that he never interfered with the office work; that he took one-third of the profits of the firm; that there was no ground for the suggestion that he had conspired with anybody to defraud the Post Office; that he had not been to the Post Office for over a year; that he did not know how the canvas got on the premises, as he was so often away; and that the sacks must have been sent from the Post Office by a mistake.

The Prisoners received good characters.

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VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > hard labour

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441 WILLIAM FREDERICK POYLE MOORE (53) and HARRY SHARP (52) PLEADED GUILTY to conspiring to defraud Charles Peinicott and other persons of their moneys. MOORE— Nine Months' Hard Labour. SHARP— Three Months' Hard Labour.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-442
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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442. WILLIAM WALKER (48) , Attempting to carnally know Ellen Walker, a girl above 13 and under 16 years of age.

MR. HUTTON and MR. FORDHAM Prosecuted.


25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-443
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment

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443. GEORGE HARRIS (27) PLEADED GUILTY to feloniously making counterfeit coin, after a conviction of a like offence; also to feloniously uttering counterfeit coin.— Five Years' Penal Servitude on the first indictment, and One Day on the second.

Before Mr. Justice Ridley.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-444
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-445
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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(445) ALFRED PRIOR (15) and GEORGE BARRY (18) [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] to an unnatural offence; also to committing acts of gross indecency.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-446
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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446. HELEN NEMETSCLEK (40) , Feloniously throwing up n Ignatius Chitracek corrosive fluid, with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

MR. SCOTT Prosecuted, and MR. BURNIE Defended.

IGNATIUS CHITRACEK . I live at 49, Fleet Road, Battersea—I have known the prisoner about nine years—I was living with her up to April or May last year at 18, Hamilton Gardens—on May 1st or 2nd I had to go to Scotland on business—the house was furnished—I suppose the furniture was mine—it was got into the house, and nobody except myself has paid for it—subsequent to leaving the prisoner I married, and went to live at 49, Fleet Road—I do not know where the prisoner was living in May last—she was not living at Marmion Road—on Sunday, May 20th, I left home about 8 a.m., and was going down Stormont Road, where there is a hosier's shop, with a sort of double window—when I got to the corner I saw the prisoner jumping forward and throwing some liquid as if into my face—I had not time to recover myself—I got it on my face and clothes—I jumped about two yards, and she had another throw at me—I ran away a few yards, and she had another throw; then she threw the bottle away and ran after me with a stick; she said if she could not blind me she would hit me—I had a very light stick with me, and the only thing I did was to hold it over my head to keep the blows off—I ran to the station and saw a constable and gave the prisoner into custody—I have had occasion to apply for protection from her before—she came to the shop where I was employed and called me abusive names—I am a hair-dresser—she has been to the shop three times—I applied to Mr. Curtis Bennett—the liquid on my face produced a very burning effect, and also to my arm—there was some on my clothes—the only thing I have saved is this waistcoat—I am lawfully married now.

Cross-examined. A boy was present when the prisoner threw the vitriol at me—I did not attack her with a stick—she did not put up her hands to protect herself—it was not in the struggle that the vitriol was spilled over her—I know she was burned—if you take a narrow-necked bottle and put some liquid in it and try and throw it a certain distance, you will see it does not go straight, but spreads all over the place—I have left the prisoner three times during the nine years that I lived with her—when I first met her I promised to marry her—she went to her mother and worried

her, and mother promised her some money—she got £30 from her mother—I have always paid the rent of our home—the prisoner went and bought some furniture with my weekly earnings—I am not a club proprietor—we opened a club in Fitzroy Square—I was president for about two years, but I resigned, and it was raided by the police—I was there once when it was raided—I was employed as a hair dresser all the time I lived with the prisoner—I never suggested that she might make more money than she did—I earned quite enough to keep myself straight and the woman too—I went before the Magistrate in December, I think, which was a long time after I left the prisoner—she was bound over to keep the peace—I am an Austrian.

HENRY MALLETT (28V R). I was at Lavender Hill Police-station on the morning of May 20th—the prosecutor came there, and in consequence of what he said I went out with him—I saw the prisoner coming towards the station—she was waving a walking-stick—the prosecutor said, "That is the woman," and at my approach, and before I could speak, she said, "Yes, I did it; I did it;" and before I could speak, she shouted, "You thief! you scoundrel! you murderer!"—I took the stick from her and took her into the station, where she said to the prosecutor, "I told you I would do it"—some time afterwards I found the bottle on the ground at the corner of Stormont Road—when charged she said, "I wish all of it had went over him; he deserves it, the scoundrel!"

Cross-examined. When she made that statement she was burned on the face.

WALTER GEORGE GYDON , L.R.C.P. and M.R.C.S. The prosecutor came to me about 8.a.m. on May 20th—he was suffering from burns all down his left arm, the side of his face, and his wrists and hands—it was the effect of sulphuric acid—his clothing was also in a very dilapidated state from the same corrosive fluid—I saw the prisoner afterwards at the Police-station—she was suffering from the same kind of burns on her face—I have seen some pieces of a bottle, and have examined them—the bottle had contained sulphuric acid, or what is commonly called oil of vitriol—it is the same as I found on the prosecutor.

Cross-examined. The prisoner's face was slightly burned as well as her clothes—her hands were more burnt than her face—oil of vitriol is very frequently used for cleaning metal.

LOUSIA HEADLAND . I live at 47, Marmion Road, Battersea—the prisoner took rooms there about a month or five weeks before this happened—I went into her room from time to time—I saw a bottle there—when she went out she sometimes took it with her—she has never pointed the prosecutor out to me.

By the COURT. I did not know what was in the bottle—there was some liquid in it—I noticed that on May 20th the bottle had gone.

BOWLER (283D). On January 19th I was at the Police-court, presided over by Mr. Curtis Bennett—he gave me certain directions, and I went to see the prisoner—I told her that I had been directed by the Magistrate to caution her for making threats to the prosecutor—she spoke very bitterly against him about the way she had been treated—I went twice; the other time, on December 14th, 1899, was because she had detained some things belonging to the prosecutor.

Cross-examined. The prisoner's story was not heard at the Police-court—she complained that the prosecutor had promised to marry her—I told her that the best thing she could do would be to take him through the civil courts for breach of promise; she also said be had got £30, which was her mother's.

Re-examined. She said she would have her revenge; if she could not have him nobody else should—she did not pay how she would do it.

MRS. JANITESCH. I know the prisoner—I know a man named Dick House, a German grocer; he is blind—about the time that the prosecutor was going to get married the prisoner said to me, "She shall not have him, but Dick House."

The Prisoner, in her defence, on oath, said that she met the prosecutor in the road; that he tried to give her a blow with his stick; that she put up her hand with the bottle in it to protect her face; that he hit the bottle, and the contents went all over her face, and she then threw the bottle at him; that she had brought the bottle out with her because she thought her landlady's children might get it; that she did not come out with the intention of throwing it at him, and that she Kept the vitriol for cleaning purposes.

GUILTY under great provocation.— Six Months' Hard Labour.

25th June 1900
Reference Numbert19000625-447
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > lesser offence
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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447. WILLIAM WARD (43) PLEADED GUILTY to carnally knowing Maude Elizabeth Simms, a girl under the age of 13 years.

MR. HUTTON Prosecuted.

GUILTY of the attempt.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.


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