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Sessions Paper.








Short-hand Writers to the Court,










Law Booksellers and Publishers.



On the Queen's Commission of



The City of London,





Including cases committed to this Court under Order in Council pursuant to the Winter Assize Act of 1879,

Held on Monday, April 23rd, 1888, and following days.

BEFORE the RIGHT HON. POLYDORE DE KEYSER, LORD MAYOR of the City of London; the Hon. Sir ARCHIBALD LEWIN SMITH , Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's High Court of Justice; Sir THOMAS DAKIN , Knt., Sir THOMAS SCAMBLER OWDEN, Knt., Sir HENRY EDMUND KNIGHT , Knt., Aldermen of the said City; Sir THOMAS CHAMBERS , Knt., Q.C., Recorder of the said City; Sir HENRY AARON SAACS, Knt., DAVID EVANS , Esq., STUART KNILL , Esq., GEORGE ROBERT TYLER , Esq., and JOSEPH RENALS, Esq., other of the Aldermen of the said City; Sir WILLIAM THOMAS CHARLEY , Kit., Q.C., D.C.L., Common Serjeant of the said City; and ROBERT MALCOLM KERR , Esq., LL.D., Judge of the Sheriffs' Court; Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer, and General Gaol Delivery, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.


WILLIAM ALPHEUS HIGGS, Esq., Sheriffs GEORGE ROSE INNES , Junior, Esq., THOMAS BEARD , Esq., Under-Sheriffs.



A star (*) denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars (**) that they have been more than once in custody—a dagger (†) that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.


OLD COURT.—Monday, April 23rd, 1888.

Before Mr. Recorder.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-419
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > hard labour

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419. JOHN SAMUEL MANNING (53) and GEORGE WILLIAM ALLEN (46) were indicted for unlawfully conspiring together and with others, by false pretences to defraud various persons, and obtaining goods from Charles David Evans and others; other counts charging Manning with incurring debts and liabilities by false pretences.


Allen, and MR. TAYLOR defended Manning.

CHARLES DAVID EVANS . I am a wholesale tea dealer, at 215, Seven Sisters' Road, Islington—Allen travelled for me as agent on commission in the early part of 1886, for about three months, and introduced 13 customers—the orders he gave me came in value to about 30l.—the amounts varied—two out of the 13 customers he introduced paid me to the amount of a few shillings—the other 11 did not pay at all—among the customers so introduced was a firm of Manning and Hall, 513, Kingsland Road—on Alley's order I supplied them with tea to the amount of 9l. 5s. on 17th February, 1886—this is the statement of account—altogether it was 120 lb.—I believe Allen said Manning was doing a good business—I frequently applied for payment; I could not get it—I put the matter in the hands of my solicitor, and in the end proceeded against Manning civilly in the Mayor's Court or County Court—I obtained Judgment which I tried to enforce, but the landlord stood in front of me with some claim for rent.

Cross-examined by MR. TAYLOR. I cannot tell whether Manning or Hall gave Allen the order—as far as I recollect I think he did not tell me Hall gave him the order—I think it was the middle of the year I obtained judgment against them—I do not know that at that time Manning had ceased to be Hall's partner, nor that they had parted under an agreement that Hall should take over the liabilities.

Cross-examined by MR. BURNIE. I made inquiries into all the customers introduced by Allen through a Trade Society before I supplied goods—nothing was registered against them.


THOMAS SPRINGTHORPE . I am a coal merchant, at the Coal Department, Frederick Street, Great Northern Railway—about August, 1886, I engaged Allen as traveller—in all he introduced about 25 customers to me—I supplied them with coals to the amount of 48l. in all—the first order was from Manning and Hall, of Kingsland Road—on 28th August, 1886, I supplied them on that order with four tons of coal, of the value of 3l. 8s.—several of the 25 customers paid a portion; three of them paid their whole accounts; eight paid nothing at all.

Cross-examined by MR. TAYLOR. I did not institute proceedings against Manning and Hall for this.

HENRY EDWARD TWIGGS . I am managing clerk to Messrs. Franklin, of Pocock Street, Blackfriars, lithographers—on 13th August, 1887, Allen was appointed commission agent for Messrs. Franklin—he introduced 15 to 20 customers to our firm; amongst them was a Mr. J. S. Manning, of White Hart Bakery, Tottenham, and upon the order of Allen I supplied to Manning, on 10th October, 1887, 2,000 table mats, with an advertisement, "From J. S. Manning, White Hart Bakery"—they came to 5l. 14s.—I have never been paid for those—this is Allen's receipt for items of commission, and amongst them is an item of 5s. as his commission on this introduction—none of the 15 or 20 customers introduced by Allen paid—I know Allen's writing—this is his writing, and it is signed by him—I saw him sign it.

Cross-examined by MR. TAYLOR. The table mats were supplied to Manning on three months' credit, on 10th October; that credit would expire on 10th January—Manning had been arrested more than a week before I was first examined at the police-court, on 8th February—I have not recovered the table mats, I have not made inquiries about them from the police—this (produced) is one of those sent to Manning—we frequently make bad debts to small amounts—we have never before, to my knowledge, proceeded criminally because a man has not paid within three weeks after his credit expired—a police officer in plain clothes came and told us Manning and Allen had been arrested, and that we should be required to give evidence.

Cross-examined by MR. BURNIE. It is not usual for us to make inquiries before supplying customers; if we have suspicions we do; we generally do before supplying new customers when we have got a suspicion—we made inquiries into Manning's case—we received references from Stubbs's I believe.

ROBERT WOOD RIDLEY . I am manager to John Horton, wholesale pork butcher, 8, Spice all Street, Birmingham—about September, 1887, I advertised some sausages in the Grocer, and about 1st October I received in reply this letter. (This was headed the Welsh Bakery, Tottenham, and requested him to send the lowest price of pure lard and also a sample of sausages.)—I replied to that, and in reply received this letter of 5th October, 1887—This was from Manning, stating that he could do a genuine line in good lard, that he had a very large wholesale cake and confectionery trade; that his terms were 28 days prompt cash, and that he could supply him with the names of two of his millers; that he was doing a large business with them and had done so with one of them constantly for two and a half years; that, if Mr. Horton accepted his terms, he might send him half-a-ton of lard at 45s., and 28 lbs. of sausages every Friday for three months; and that,

if this met Mr. Horton's approval he would send references.)—On The same day, October 5th, I replied, approving the terms and requiring References—about 8th October I received this. (This enclosed two re ferences—Messrs. Allan & Co., Foreign Flour Merchants, 46, Dumont Road, Stoke Newington, and R. Adlington, Miller, &c., 385, Kingsland Road, London, and stated that Manning was paying 200l. per month for several Years to one of them; and, that he would send him a cheque for goods in due Course prompt, signed J.S. Manning.)—I then wrote to Allen and Adlington, And received these replies. (Addington stated that he had supplied for some Time Manning, of Tottenham, and that he had always paid, but that he knew Nothing whatever about his means; Allen stated that from his past experience With J.S. Manning, having traded with him satisfactorily for about two Years, he considered he was quite safe in giving him credit for the amount Named.)—In consequence of those references I sent off 28lb. of sausages, Of the value of 17s. 6d. about 8th October—on 15th October I received This letter from Manning. (This acknowledged the receipt of the sausages, And requested him to say if he supplied every Friday morning, and to wire If the references were satisfactory, and when he was to expect the lard. The letter was headed: Telegraphic address, Manning, Tottenham, Contracts for Balls, Suppers, Beanfeasts, and School Treats; Sole Agents For Spencer, Turner and Boldero's Registered silver Tea Packets.)—About 17th October I sent 30 pans of lard of the value of 13. 7s. 7.; on 20th October, 28 lb. of sausages of the same value—my bill in the end Came to 17l. 1s. 7d.—I have never been paid that amount—I have made Frequent application for it in the ordinary way—we never received any reply—we thought we were dealing with honest people—I believed the references were genuine—we supposed this was a bakery, from the printed memorandum we received from Manning—out sausages were sent form week to week to the bakery.

Cross-examined by MR. TAYLOR. It is not an unusual thing to send Sausages to a small bakery—I should say we made four applications for Payment altogether—I did not apply for payment personally before 28th November—I sent accounts by post myself—I have heard nothing since To make me believe Adlington's reference was not genuine, we have made No inquiries—I have been in the habit of receiving references continually—I should not think there was anything very suspicious about his re-ferences.

Re-examined. I acted on both the references.

WALTER QUAIFE . I am clerk to Messer. George Startin and Co., 150, Fenchurch Street, London, wholesale sugar and fruit dealers—on 5th October I received this letter. (This was headed The Welsh Bakery, Tottenham and was read as follows:"Your samples of currants and sugars to hand. Subject to my terms, 28 days, with references, two millers with whom I am doing business, you may receive my order for five bags of the D.M. at 13s. 6. and six cases of the currants at 30s. A. Z. Kindly let me know, and I shall have pleasure in sending you my references."—I replied to that, asking for the references, and about 7th or 8th October I received this from Manning. (These references were to R. Adlington and Sons, millers and merchants, 385, Kingsland Road, and Messrs. Allan and Co., foreign flour merchants, 46, Dumont Road, Stoke Newington.)—

I wrote to the references and received answers—I cannot find Adlington's, I took it to be satisfactory. (Allen stated that he considered Manning equal to the amount named.) The amount I named was 30l. or 40l.—after receiving those references I supplied Manning with five bags of sugar and six cases of currants, to the value of 16l. 3s.—this is the invoice sent by post—there is a memorandum at the bottom, "Prompt" 12/11—those were the terms, 28 days' credit.—we believed in the genuineness of the references sent to us—we have never been paid—we did not make inquiry as to the references; we do not as a rule.

Cross-examined by MR. TAYLOR. We take them generally as trade references and make no inquiry—we are content to take the chance of the references turning out all right—I said at the police-court I believe that I did not consider a man a criminal because he does not pay within a month or two—we had a letter from Messrs. Wontner and Co. about this case, asking us if we had had any transactions—none of this sugar was supplied at two months' credit, all at one month—the total amount of Manning's indebtedness was 16l. 3s.

Cross-examined by MR. BURNIE. I also enquired of Adlington whether Manning was worth 30l.—the letters were worded exactly the same—I got a satisfactory answer from him.

FREDERICK CLAUDIUS ASH . I am a member of the firm of Harris and Co., provision merchants, West Smithfield—I know Manning—about 7th October last year I received this letter from him; I knew his handwriting. (This enclosed an order for 8 cwt. of butterine and other goods, stating that payment would be cash in 14days, and enclosing as references Allen and Co. and Addington and Sons). I wrote to those references and had very satisfactory answers—I supplied Manning with butterine amounting to 27l. 10s., reduced by discount to 27l. 5s. 5d.—on the 31st Manning called and paid that, and bought butterine amounting to 36l. 15s. 5d., and took it away in his van—I never saw him since till at the police-court—this label (produced) is one of ours—16 of these labels were on the goods supplied.

WILLIAM KEMP . I am carman to Mr. Harsfield, of Tottenham—I know Manning by sight—on 8th December I received an order from him, in consequence of which I took my van to a stable to the back of White Hart Buildings, at the back of his shop, and under his order I loaded 96 packages of butterine, in baskets and tubs—by Manning's directions I took them to 24, Hackney Road—he there gave me fresh instructions to go on to Columbia Market, to a Stable; Manning was there, and a club-footed man; I had to take the butterine into the stable, Manning told me to do it—the club-footed man took some of it out of my arms and packed it up—some of the packages had labels on.

MARY HAMMOND . I am a widow, and a miller at Tanfield Mill, Bigend, Yorkshire—on 8th October, 1887, I received this letter from Manning (asking for samples)—I replied to that, and about 12th October I received this letter. (This ordered 4 tons of flour.) I replied on the 15th that I would send 33 sacks of flour next day, but that I had not received references—on the 14th he enclosed references, but I sent off the flour before receiving that—I believed the statements contained in his letter, and that the references were genuine—the amount of the flour I sent was 36l. 4s., I sent it to the Welsh bakery; I wrote to the referees, W. Gordon, Alexandra-Road, Leyton, and G. W. Allen, flour and

produce merchant, Stoke Newington, and received satisfactory replies—on 22nd October I received this further letter from Manning (offering 32s. a sack for 100 sacks, and stating that cash would be sent during the week)—I never received any—I then communicated with my friend Mr. Heddon, and through him I received this letter from Manning, it was dated from 5, Bromley Road, E. (This stated that he should not he prepared with Mrs. Hammond's account at present; and in fact he preferred not dealing with any one hut her.) I afterwards received this other letter from Manning stating that he would pay no one but me, and asking why I had not answered his letter of Saturday—I had not received any such letter—I had authorised Mr. Heddon to receive the money—in November I received a letter from Allen, which I have lost, it contained an order for 20 bags at 32s. a bag; I did not supply it—I afterwards consulted my solicitor and put the matter in his hands—I never got my money.

Cross-examined by MR. TAYLOR. I believe Manning gave the name of Adlington as one of his references; I made no inquiry of him—my account was payment on delivery, it was not cash in 28 days.

FRANCIS HEDDON . I am a draper, of Wood Green—I am related by marriage to Mrs. Hammond—in consequence of her request I called on Manning at 5, Bromley Road, Tottenham, about 21st November—I told him I had come to collect Mrs. Hammond's debt of 36l.—I showed him her authority; he said he would pay me on the following Monday—on the Monday I received a letter stating that he would pay no one but Mrs. Hammond—I went to Bromley Road that evening, but he was not at home; I saw him driving towards his stable, I stopped him and said I had heard from Mrs. Hammond, and she wished me to press him for the account—he said he declined to pay me, he would pay no one but Mrs. Hammond herself—I saw him once more, on 7th December, and asked him for the money, and he assaulted me, and I had to take him before a magistrate and he was convicted and fined.

Cross-examined by MR. TAYLOR. I know a Mr. Wilson, a creditor of Manning's; I have not said that he had been paid—I don't know that he has.

JAMES VIVIAN GRIFFITHS . I am the proprietor of the Kangra Tea Agency, 15, Godliman-Street, City—on 16th October last I received this letter, dated 14th, from G. W. Allen, 46, Dumont Road, Stoke Newington Road, ordering 55 lb. of blended tea and 25 lb. of another tea, and asking terms—some one in my employ replied to that on the 15th asking for references—he answered, giving the names of T. Chapman, of Tanner's Hill, Deptford, and J. S. Manning—thereupon I wrote to Manning, and on 18th received this letter, stating that he had known Allen about six years and had done considerable trade with him, and always found him very respectable—I made no inquiries about Manning, I received some information about him, in consequence of which I did not execute the order.

WILLIAM JAMES COLLINS . I am a solicitor, of 2, Gresham Buildings, Basinghall Street—I am solicitor to the owner of 512, Kingsland Road—in December, 1885, those premises were to let at a rental of 120l. a year, payable quarterly—it was not paid—I had to distrain for the first quarter's rent; the second quarter was paid in two instalments; the third and fourth quarters were never paid; I distrained for the third quarter, the goods were then removed, and we got nothing.

Cross-examined by MR. TAYLOR. There was a lease—there was no other claim on the premises, there could not be, the premises were mortgaged and I was acting for the mortgagees as well as the lessees.

FREDERICK GROVER . I am owner of 7, White Hart Buildings, Tottenham—Manning occupied that house from 18th October, 1886, to 24th October, 1887, at a rent of 57l. 10s. for this first year, and 65l. 5s. subsequently—about 15l. was paid afterwards; I had to distrain for each quarter's rent as it became due; 28l. is left due—I also let to Manning two stables at the back at a weekly rental; he was three or four weeks in debt for clover.

JOSEPH DYMOND . I am a baker, of 7, White Hart Buildings, Tottenham—on 12th October, 1887, I bought the business from Manning—I paid him 350l. for the goodwill, fixtures, and lease, and 40l. for the stock-in-trade; amongst the stock there were about 25 sacks marked "M. Hammond," containing flour—I have returned some empty sacks to Mrs. Hammond; there was also some butterine; Manning said he had them from Harris, of West Smithfield Market—I paid the 350l. by notes and cheque—I entered on the premises and endeavoured to conduct the business—it was falsely represented entirely; it was only about half, and he was sending bread away to another baker—I told Manning he was a rogue, and I would upset him; I was perfectly swindled.

Cross-examined by MR. TAYLOR. I was not irritated about this, of course I could not afford to lose the money—I did not say at the police-court that I had made inquiries about the business before I took it; I took it in good faith, thinking Manning was an honest man; he showed me his books—I had been making inquiries for a business of Jackson, an auctioneer, and he submitted four businesses to me, Manning's amongst them, as a first-class thing.

THOMAS BRETT . I am a bricklayer, of 46, Dumont Road, Stoke Newington—I know Allen—I let him for 10 months in 1887, a front parlour and kitchen, at 5s. 6d. a week, and he lived there with his wife—I never has any sign of business there.

FREDERICK CLAUDIUS ASH (Re-examined). I have looked at the documents produced—so far as they purport to be signed by Manning, to the best of my belief they are in his handwriting.

HENRY EDWARD TWIGGS (Re-examined). I know Allen's handwriting—to the best of my belief the documents purporting to be his, are in his handwriting.

H. E. MURPHY (Delective Sergeant N). On 31st Jan. I arrested Manning at 7, Derby Road, Tottenham, a small private house; there were no signs of business being conducted there—I read the warrant to him, he said, "Where is Allen? What about Allen?"—I took him to the station—he there saw the information of Mr. Horton—he said "He has never applied for his money, he can have his money if he likes"—the goods of Horton were mentioned in the warrant—I afterwards searched 7, Derby Road—I there discovered a number of papers which I handed over to Messrs. Wontner—I searched the prisoner at the station, a pawnticket was found on him—I have been keeping observation upon Manning for some little time—I found a pan of lard at Derby Road, which has since been identified by Mr. Ridley, I also found two empty butterine

baskets, with the letter H on them, they and the labels have been identified by Mr. Ash.

Cross-examined by MR. TAYLOR. I believe Manning had been in bed when I arrested him—I read the warrant to him, Allen's name was mentioned in it; it was after that that he said "What about Allen?"—two officers were with me—I was there a considerable time, the whole of the night—when he had dressed I took him to the station—I returned after that—there was some furniture in the house, and a horse and cob in the yard—I heard Manning state at the police-court that this charge was got up by the detective.

Re-examined. I am only acting under the instructions of my superior officers.

THOMAS GLASS (Police Inspector N.). I arrested Allen on 30th January last—he asked me what it was for, I told him—he said "I can get out of that"—his premises were searched, and on them was found 14 lb. of rolled butter, also a number of papers which I afterwards handed to Messrs. Wontner—I have had inquiries made with regard to a Mr. Gardner, of Alexandra Road, Leyton.

HERBERT GEORGE MUSKETT . I am a solicitor, and am managing clerk to Messrs. Wontner, solicitors for the prosecution—a number of documents were handed to me by Inspector Glass and Sergeant Murphy—I have gone through those documents, and have tabulated them in order to see to what they referred—as to Manning, there were 13 pawn-tickets, extending from 8th August, 1887 to 14th January, 1888; also a number of invoices, showing things supplied to Manning, and the prices at which the goods were charged—they range from November, 1885, down to September, 1887—they apply to goods of different descriptions, jams, geese, flour, grocery, baskets, butterine, coals, sugar, lard, tea, stationery, and acids, supplied by some persons at Carmarthen, amounting to 64l. 9s. 10d.—I have totalled up the aggregate amount of those invoices, they amount to 759l. 16s. 6d.—amongst them I found extracts from a local newspaper, purporting to be a report of the meeting of some Bakers' Association, and complaining that Manning and Hall were under-selling the bakers in the neighbourhood—there were also a large number of County Court judgments, to a considerable amount, some of them having reference to the invoices, and to the cases that have been gone into—I have selected the cases that have been before the Jury—at Allen's house, seven pawntickets were found and handed to me, a book showing Allen's commission account with Evans—in that book the names of Manning and Hall are mentioned as customers, a manifold letter book, and in that, under the date of 3rd September, 1887, in Allen's writing, is this memorandum, "Manning, Welsh buttery: I called on him about a month ago, but he had plenty to go on with, I left him a card of prices; I have never done anything with him"—the quantity of goods, and the prices are insignificant as compared with Manning's—there were unreceipted invoices.

Cross-examined by MR. TAYLOR. All the persons whose names appear in the documents have been communicated with—the prosecution commenced at the end of January.

Re-examined. No one has been paid, to my recollection.

GUILTY . —Manning then

PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction at Oxford in June, 1885, and Allen to a conviction at Middlesex Sessions, in February, 1883.

MANNING.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour . ALLEN.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour .

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-420
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceMiscellaneous > sureties

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ELLEN RAYSON . I am the wife of Arthur Rayson, the landlord of the Globe, Cross Street, Chelsea—on 13th February I was in the bar and heard the prisoner ask the barmaid for some drink—I did not see what coin she gave, but as soon as she got her change she left all her drink on the counter and went out; that aroused my suspicions, and I went to the till and found a bad half-crown, which was the only one there—I took it out and showed it to the barmaid, and then put it away in a cupboard by itself, and left it there till 18th March, when I saw the prisoner again and recognised her—I took the half-crown out of the cupboard and gave it to a policeman, and at the station I marked it—the gin had been served and the barmaid showed me a florin—I put it between my teeth and found it was soft, and bent it—I then went round to the prisoner by another door, and said to her "You have given my barmaid a bad two-shilling piece, and you also gave her a bad half-crown five weeks ago"—she said "I will speak to my superiors, not to a thing like you"—I then sent for a constable and gave her in custody—these (produced) are the two coins; the one passed on the 13th has my mark on it.

Cross-examined. I had spoken to the barmaid about this several times between February and March—I said it was about five weeks ago, but since I have found out the exact date, because I have looked through

the bill file and have found that I paid the gas bill the same day—this is a patent till, and when it gets full we have to clear it—it had been cleared twice on the 13th—there were not many people there that day—the price of the soda and brandy was 5d.—about a minute elapsed after I went into the bar before I went round the counter to the prisoner; I had a few words with the barmaid—the prisoner could not see me all this time because the private bar is a comer bar.

Re-examined. I went to the till on the 13th directly after the prisoner left the counter—Mr. Collins, a regular customer who lives next door, was there on each occasion when the prisoner came in.

ELLEN DAW . I am barmaid at the Globe—on 13th February the prisoner came to the bar and asked for some lemonade and brandy, price 5d.; I served her, and she gave me a half-crown, I gave her 2s. 1d. change and she left immediately, leaving the drink on the counter—I put the half-crown on the front of the till—the landlady went to the till directly—that was the only half-crown there—on 18th March the prisoner came in again for a glass of ale, and gave me a florin; I was going to test it and Mrs. Rayson took it out of my hands, put it between her teeth, bent it, and went round to the prisoner in the private bar—I heard the prisoner say that she would talk to her superiors, not to a thing like her—I have no doubt the prisoner is the woman who was there both on 13TH February and the 18th March.

Cross-examined. I know this is the half-crown because Mrs. Rayson marked it at the police station—a great many people come in and out during the day—I could not see the prisoner when Mrs. Rayson spoke to me, as she was behind a partition—I was not talking with Mrs. Rayson for a minute—other people were in the private bar with the prisoner—I did not recognise her when she first came in, I was too busy.

FRANCIS COLLINS . I am a tailor, of 8, Cross Street, Chelsea, and am a customer at the Globe—I was there on the 13th when the prisoner came in; she asked for a small lemon and put down a half-crown—Miss Daw who was serving her, took it in her hand and was going to get the change, when the prisoner said "Put a drop of brandy in it"—she did so and then gave the prisoner the change—just previous to her giving her the change a girl came in on the opposite side of the counter and called for a glass of ale, and the prisoner, directly she got the change, just took a sip out of her drink and went out—I was in the Globe again on the 13th and saw the prisoner there; I did not hear her call for anything—I first saw her as I turned round and saw Mrs. Rayson go round to the private bar—I identified her as the person who had been there on the 13th.

Cross-examined. I am not certain of the date when I first saw her—I am there every evening when I have finished my work—she was in the middle bar in February, and in the private bar in March—I was speaking to my brother-in-law when the prisoner came in on 18th March, and I saw Mrs. Rayson talking to the prisoner; I then went round to them in the private bar and heard Mrs. Rayson say "You passed a counterfeit half-crown before"—I did not suddenly then remember that I had seen her before, I recognised her as I went in and she said "Of course you recognise me, you would."

JOHN SMITH (Policeman B 305). I was called to the Globe on 18th March and found the prisoner detained by the landlady, who said she had attempted to pass a bad florin, which she produced; and a half-crown

about five weeks previously—she said she had never been in the house before—Mrs. Rayson handed the florin to me, and took the half-crown to the station, where the prisoner was formally charged—these are the two coins (produced)—the prisoner handed me her purse at the public-house, I examined it and found in it a half-sovereign, two florins, half-a-crown, and two pence, all good—going to the station she said "I changed a half-sovereign last night at the Stanley public-house, and I have also received money from gentlemen."

Cross-examined. She said twice that she had not been to the house before, once in the public-house and once on the way to the station—I don't remember saying at the police-court that she made no reply—if it is in the depositions I think that must be more accurate—I did not notice that I had said that when the deposition was read over to me, if I had I should have drawn the clerk's attention to it.

ELLEN DANN (Re-examined). Most of the persons who use this house are regular customers—a few females use the house, but not many.

Cross-examined. The greater number of females use the house in the day-time, but there are some there in the evening.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . I am examiner of coin to Her Majesty's Mint—these coins are both bad.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "The first charge is false altogether, I am quite innocent of ever knowing it was a bad two-shilling piece, a gentleman met me at Sloane Street and gave me two two-shilling pieces for cab fare, which I put in my purse with my other money, I went to have a drink and offered a two-shilling piece, the first one that came to hand."

Witness for the Defence. ELIZABETH MELLOWS. My husband keeps the Stamford Arms, Fulham Road—I have known the prisoner about three months by her coming in there—she has always behaved herself well—she has made purchases of port wine, but has never passed bad money to me.

Cross-examined. I only know her by her having drink at my house—she changed a half-sovereign with me on 17th March—I do not know what change I gave her.

GUILTY of the first uttering.— Discharged on Recognisances .

OLD COURT.—Tuesday, April 24th, 1888.

Before Mr. Recorder.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-428
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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428. HERBERT JAMES WALTER GOWING was indicted for Stealing, whilst employed in the Post-Office, a letter containing two postal orders for 15s. and 3s.

MESSRS. GILL and H. C. RICHARD Prosecuted; MR. GEOGHEGAN Defended.

ELIZABETH CAMP . I am the daughter of Henry Camp, of 108, Evelina Road, Nunhead—on 6th February I got at the Nunhead post-office a postal order for 18s.; I got two orders, one for 15s. and one for 3s.; I put them into an envelope addressed to "Mr. Newall, 8, Alfred Street, Dorset Street, South Lambeth," and posted it at 4.40 o'clock that afternoon.

HENRY CAMP . I live at 108, Evelina Road, Nunhead—on 6th February I sent my daughter to the Nunhead post-office for a postal order for 18s.;

I addressed an envelope, and she put them in an envelope addressed to "Mr. Newall, bottle manufacturer, 3, Alfred Street, Dorset Street, South Lambeth."

WILLIAM BODFIELD . I am an assistant at the Nunhead Grove post-office—Elizabeth Camp came there to buy postal orders—I gave her one for 15s. and another for 3s.—I cannot say if this postal order for 15s., number 652,913, was the order I gave her—this is the only 15s. order I issued that day—I also issued two 3s. orders that day, this is one of them.

Cross-examined. There is also a postmaster and his son at this office—it is a chemist's shop—I only attend to the post-office—the postmaster sometimes also attends to it—we enter the number of the last order we issue each day in a book—I have my dinner with the postmaster, nobody takes my place then, I sit next to the door—the book is not here in which I enter the numbers—I only enter the number of the last order issued in the day.

Re-examined. This order for 15s. (number 652,912) was issued on the 4th February, and this one, numbered 652,914, was issued on the 7th February.

ALICE MIDDLETON . I am a governess at the Camberwell Asylum, Gordon Road, Peckham—on 5th February I went to the Nunhead post-office and purchased an order for 3s., and enclosed it in a letter addressed to "Mr. Hawkey, 75, St. Mary's Road, Plaistow—I could not swear to the order.

PHILLIP HAWKEY . I live at 75, St. Mary's Road, Plaistow—I received this postal order in a letter from Miss Middleton—I am not certain of the day, I think it was the 7th February.

WILLIAMS WILLIAMS , I am an overseer at the South Lambeth sorting office—the prisoner was employed there, until these matters occurred, as an assistant letter carrier—a letter posted at Nunhead at 4.40 o'clock would get to the South Lambeth office in time for the 8 o'clock delivery—the prisoner was on duty there on 6th February, in time for the 8 o'clock delivery—a letter addressed to Alfred Street, Dorset Street, South Lambeth, would be on the prisoner's walk, and would come into his hands, and he would have to deliver it—the prisoner lived at Park Place, Clapham—the signature "H. Gyne" to this order for 15s. is the prisoner's writing—the other order signed "H. Turner" is also in his handwriting—this memorandum (produced) is the prisoner's handwriting—his number was 616 S.W.

Cross-examined. This signature "H. Gowing" in this signature book is the prisoner's writing—the letter would pass through several persons' hands before it arrived at the South Lambeth office—this signature "H. Gowing" is slightly disguised in the "G"—I have seen the prisoner write hundreds of times—this (produced) is some of his writing, there is no attempt to disguise here—I say that the "Gowing" here is in the same handwriting to that on the postal order.

HENRY NEWALL . I am a bottle manufacturer of 3, Alfred-Street, Dorset Street, South Lambeth—I have never received a letter from Mr. Camp containing these two postal orders.

JAMES WHTTTAKER BURGESS . I keep the Bell and Horns, Fulham Road, which is about 150 yards from Brompton Square—I know the prisoner—I remember his being in my house one night in February—I said on a former occasion that it was the 6th or 7th, but I can now fix it as the 6th—it was about a quarter to 12 at night—he was in uniform,

and was with a female—while he was in there my barman came to me and said "A postal order requires cashing"—I turned round and saw the prisoner standing alongside the potman, and said to him "Is this your postal order?"—he said "Yes"—I said "Will you put your name on it, please?"—I then went and got pen and ink and stood beside him while he put his name on it—I then gave him the 15s. out of the uncounted money in the till, and he remained in the bar, and my barman served him with refreshment—I looked at him for about five minutes, and noticed the number on his uniform, and noticing it I wrote it on the back of the order—I afterwards paid the order into my bank on Wednesday morning—when he was writing the female stood alongside his right hand, and they were both facing me—on 14th March I was taken to Bow Street, and there picked the prisoner out from a number of men—he was not in his uniform then, he was dressed as he is now—I had no difficulty in picking him out, and have not the slightest doubt he is the man.

Cross-examined. When I saw him at the police-station he was with about seven other men—I cannot say if one of these men was dressed in a torn coat and trousers, and had bare feet—I did not say at the police-court that one of them was dressed in ragged clothes, I said the prisoner was the best dressed man there—I did not notice his uniform trousers—I said first that I cashed this on 7th February, that was because the Post-office people came and accused me of cashing it on the 7th—I was under the impression then that I had cashed it on the 7th—I now know it was Monday night, because I remember I cleared my tills on that night, and booked 11l. 10s. and after the house was closed I booked 7s. 6d. more, and I did not empty my till on the Tuesday and Wednesday nights—I cashed this order out of the till—my barman is not here.

Re-examined. I was emptying my tills when my barman told me that there was a postal order to cash, and I gave the money for the order out of the money out of the till before it was counted—I am certain that it was Monday, the 6th, it could not be Tuesday.

JAMES DAVIS . I live at 10, Brompton Square, in the South-Western district, that is about 150 yards from the Bell and Horns public-house—I know the prisoner, he used to come and see a servant in our employment named Mary Dickens—she was in my service from 26th January to the 18th February—I allowed her an evening out every week, Monday was the recognised day—when she was in on the Sunday she went out on the Monday—I remember once when she went out and did not return at her appointed time; to the best of my belief that was Monday, the 6th of February—I remember the prisoner coming to my house on that occasion, he was dressed in the uniform of a postman, as I had seen him before—he came about 12 o'clock, and knocked at the front door—the servants having gone to bed, I went down to him, he said he had come from Mary Dickens, who, he said, had been taken ill at home, and could not return that evening—there was a general conversation, and he said she would return the next morning or in the day—she came home early the next morning.

Cross-examined. I know that Dickens has been brought here by the Poet-office authorities—I am sure this was not on a Wednesday, because I know she was in on the Sunday.

SUSAN EMILY CROSS . I am an assistant at the Clapham Rise Post

Office—this order for 3s. numbered 725016 was presented to me for payment on the 16th February—it was filled up and signed in the office.

JAMES SETTLE . I am employed in the Confidential Enquiry branch of the General Post Office—upon making enquiries into this matter I saw the prisoner on 13th March—the first part of the conversation related to other matters, and then it came to this matter—I told him that" on the 6th February, about a quarter past 4, a letter was posted at the Nunhead Grove Post Office, addressed to Mr. Newall, bottle manufacturer, 3, Alfred Street, Dorset Street, South Lambeth, and contained two postal orders, one for 15s. and one for 3s.; that letter would reach South Lambeth about 8 o'clock the same evening, and at that time you were on duty; the letter was never delivered, but the 15s. postal order was changed by a publican, the proprietor of the Bell and Horns public-house, Fulham Road, on the night of 7th February, about 12 o'clock; the order bears your own name, and the publican says that he changed it for a postman in uniform, whose number was 616, and that he copied that number on the back of the order"—I showed him the order, and he examined it and said he did not know anything about it, he had never seen it before—he also said he had never been in a public-house in the Fulham Rood, but that he had been in one near to the Brompton Oratory—I also showed him the 3s. order, and said "This is the other order which was enclosed in the same letter," and told him where it was cashed—I showed him it with some other orders signed in the same way, and he said nothing about them.

Cross-examined. He denied any

GUILTY knowledge of this second order, and of knowing anything about the first—this (produced) is one of the numbers the postmen wear, they are fastened on the coat by two pins—they can be easily removed, and the figures can be moved so as to make 199—I don't know if postmen are allowed to keep their old coats—we should not have taken him into the Post-office unless we had a good character with him—he has been in the Post-office since last September—he is the son of a police sergeant.

Re-examined. This is the second time he has been suspended from duty.

MATTHEWS TOWERS . —I am a constable attached to the General Post Office—I received the prisoner into custody on 13th March last, and charged him with stealing a post-letter, he made no reply.

Cross-examined. He had been in conversation with the last witness before that, so that he knew perfectly well what he was going to be charged with before I took him.

Witnesses for the Defence.

WALTER GOWING (Police Sergeant). The prisoner is my son—I live at 69, Park Road, Clapham—I remember the prisoner stopping out late one night in February—he came home about 20 minutes to 1 on the morning of 7th February—I went down and spoke to him, and reprimanded him for coming home so late—that is the only night he came home late; he turned over a fresh leaf after that night.

Cross-examined. I gave evidence at the police-court—there the day charged was the 7th—it has always been my complaint about his coming home late—this was the first day he had gone back to his work.

MARY DICKENS . I live at 33, Hartington Road, and am a domestic servant—I am engaged to the prisoner—I remember meeting him one night—early in February—I cannot say what day it was, but it was on

a Wednesday, because it was my night out—I did not go home to my master's that night because I was taken ill on my way home—the prisoner then said he would go to Mr. Davis—that is the only time I have sent any one to him to make an excuse, and I believe that to be a Wednesday—I nearly always went out on Wednesdays and Sundays.

Cross-examined. Whatever night it was, it was the night he said he would go and see Mr. Davis—I told the gentleman who saw me from the Post Office that I could not recollect dates—I had not been out on the Sunday—I met the prisoner on this night after the 8 o'clock delivery, at Fentiman Road, South Lambeth—we went from there to Victoria Station—I stayed at a friend's that night—I refuse to say where it was—I don't know the Bell and Horns, I never was in a public-house in Brompton in my life—I saw Mr. Burgess here yesterday—I do not know any other girl that the prisoner was keeping company with—I have been in the public-house where they say the order was changed several times, but not with the prisoner—no doctor saw me on this occasion.

Re-examined I had a fit about 10 o'clock as near as I can say—I have been to this public-house on one occasion to get brandy there, one of the lodgers in the house sent me.

FREDERICK TOOMBS . I am a letter-carrier, and live at 58, Bromell's Road—I remember being with Gowing one night in February, I cannot give the date, it was at the beginning of February; I cannot tell what day of the week it was—I met him at the Clapham Road Station, and left him at the corner of Bromell's Road about 11.30.

WILLIAM MCDOUGAL . I live at 148, Manor Street—I know the prisoner and Toombs—I remember seeing them together one night in February in The Two Brewers, a few minutes after 11 o'clock—I cannot remember what day it was.

The prisoner received a good character.

GUILTY . — Eighteen Months' Hard Labour .

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-429
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > lesser offence
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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429. CHARLES HARLAND (32) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Morris Murphy, and stealing three coats of William Hart. Second Count, for receiving.

MR. LAWLESS Prosecuted; MR. HUTTON Defended.

MORRIS MURPHY . I live at 107, Park Street, Camden Town—on 26th February last, about 9.30 p.m., I went out, leaving my house fastened up, and leaving Mr. and Mrs. Hart, my lodgers, in the house—about 11 o'clock Mrs. Hart came and called me away from where I was, and I went back with her and saw her room all turned about; I then went downstairs to my shop and found all my property gone—it was cloth and ready-made coats and waistcoats, of the value altogether of about 34l—on the Tuesday following I was called by Inspector Bannister to the station, and there saw my property, and identified it.

HARRIETT HART . I live in the house of the last witness—on 26th February I left the house about 9.30, and returned about 11 or half-past, and on going to my room I found all my things moved, and the clock had been taken off the mantelpiece—I then went down and called Mr. Murphy—I missed my box with some jewellery in it value about 7l. 10s., I have not recovered it.

THOMAS BANNISTER (Inspector S). In consequence of information received, I went on the 1st of March, 1887, to 14, Brockley Street,

Somers Town, and there found the whole of the property which had been stolen from Mr. Murphy's shop, and which he afterwards identified—I found it in two rooms on the second floor, which were occupied by the prisoner and his wife, and stepmother and two children—the prisoner had gone, but his family were there—I afterwards kept observation there night and day, but did not see the prisoner—I watched there myself several times—on the 5th of March last I went, with Sergeants Fox and Pugeley, to a public-house in Soho, where a lead was being held, and there saw the prisoner—there were about 80 persons in the room there, I made way through the crowd and said "This is the man, I can see;" he said "What do you want?"Isaid "I am an inspector, I am going to apprehend you for being concerned in a burglary at Mr. Murphy's, Park Street, 12 months ago;" he said "All right"—he would not get up, and we had to use a little force to get him outside—we then took him to Albany Street, and he there refused to give any account of himself—next morning I put him with others to let the landlady identify him, I gave him that chance although I knew who he was; the picked him out—since this burglary occurred a man named Hogan was apprehended on 11th March and was convicted of receiving, and sentenced to 12 months hard labour.

Cross-examined. He was apprehended two days after the burglary, leaving the house where the prisoner lived, with part of the property in his possession.

EDWARD HERNE (Police Sergeant N). On 1st March, 1887, I kept observation on 14, Brockley Street, and arrested a man named Hogan as he left 14, Brockley Street, carrying a brown-paper parcel containing a black diagonal overcoat—that was some of the property which was afterwards identified by Mr. Murphy—he was subsequently tried and convicted.

Cross-examined. I had been watching several hours on that day.

MARY KELLY . I am landlady of 14, Brockley Street, Somers Town, and am a widow—the prisoner was a lodger of mine, he occupied two rooms on the second floor for about 10 months—the last time I saw him there was on the 1st March, 1887, the day the officers came—the family continued to occupy the rooms two months after he had gone, because his wife was near her confinement—I have seen Hogan coming to the house to visit the prisoner.

Cross-examined. I saw the prisoner at the station among a group of persons and picked him out—I am sure he is the man.

Witness for the Defence.

JOSEPH HOGAN . I live at 33, Dean Street—in March, 1887, I was found

GUILTY of receiving stolen cloth and ready-made clothing—I am acquainted with the prisoner, and have occasionally visited him at his house—I remember going there on the 28th February last year, he was not in, but I saw an elderly woman there—I wanted to leave the goods there as it was nearer than my place—I had not seen the prisoner previously—I left all the property there—I did not tell him at any time that this property had been stolen from this house, I did not know myself where it was stolen from—I was arrested on 1st March, 1887—I met the prisoner about three hours after I had left the goods at his place, at the Black Horse Hotel—I did not tell him on any occasion that this doth was stolen property.

Cross-examined. There was a great deal more than an armful of

property brought to this house—I took a porter with me and put them in a cab—I lived at York Street, London Road at that time, that is some three miles from his house—I saw the prisoner again before I was arrested, and he then asked me why I had left this quantity of property there, and I told him that on the following morning I would go and take it all back—he also asked me why I had brought it there, and I said I had to go somewhere else to meet an appointment, and as his place was nearer than mine I had left it there—I knew these goods were stolen, but did not know where they had been stolen from—I bought them of two men at a house opposite Portland Road Station—I have been in trouble before—I was not an intimate friend of the prisoner's, I have visited there several times.

GUILTY on Second Count.*— Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-429a
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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429a. CHARLES JAMES CLARENCE (28) , Unlawfully assaulting and inflicting grievous bodily harm on Selina Clarence.


The details of this case were unfit for publication.

GUILTY. —Recommended to mercy by the Jury.— Judgment reserved.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-430
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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430. FREDERICK OSBORN (38) , Feloniously' wounding Ann Hadland, with intent to disable, and do grievous bodily harm.

MR. MEAD Prosecuted.

ANN HADLAND . I keep the Fox and Hounds beershop, Gregory Street, Pimlico—I know the prisoner, he sells fish—since Christmas he was in and out of my house—on 16th March I was alone in my bar—the only other person in the house was an old lady upstairs—the prisoner came in and ordered some drink—there was a fire in the taproom—the prisoner said "You have a fire?"—I said "There has been a fire all day," and as I went and poked it up, my feet went from under me, and I was on the floor—I did not see what upset me, it was something the prisoner did—I tried to rise, but could not move—it was all dark, I could not see anything, I put out my hand, and the prisoner commenced to hammer my head with some hard round substance, I thought it was a hammer that stood behind the bar, but it was not; it must have been the poker, I don't think it could have been a man's boot with hobnails—I bled very much—the prisoner went out at the private door in Grosvenor Street—after he left off hammering my head I got up and went to the taproom door, and saw the prisoner's back—I tried to open the street door but could not, I found it was bolted; I went out at the bar door; I saw Campion in the street, he came to my assistance—Dr. Nevill came and saw me, and attended me till I was well—I went to the police-court on 4th April.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You had always behaved yourself—there was no unpleasantness between us—nothing about short measure.

THOMAS NEVILL . I am a surgeon in Pimlico Road—on 16th March, about 7 p.m., I was called to see the prosecutrix—I found a lacerated cut behind the left ear, about two inches long and a quarter of an inch deep, and a contusion on the same side—there was a good deal of blood—there had been two blows, they must have been inflected with a rough, blunt instrument—they were such wounds as might have been caused with this poker—these boots might have produced the wounds—they were of a dangerous nature—erysipelas might have supervened—she was under

my care till 4th April—her nervous system was more or less shaken by the blows.

Cross-examined. You told me you had done it with the boots.

DAVID JOHNSON (Policeman B 406). On 16th March, about 7 p.m., I was called to the beershop, and saw the prosecutrix there, bleeding—I found this poker in the taproom, about two feet from the fireplace.

Cross-examined. I have known you two years—I never knew anything wrong of you.

THOMAS MANLEY (Detective Sergeant B). On Tuesday, 20th March, I went to Hope Cottage, Ham Common—I there saw the prisoner—I told him I should take him into custody for murderously assaulting Mrs. Hadland with a poker—he said "All right"—on the way to the station he said "I never struck her with the poker, I had a dispute with her about the measurement of my beer; there have been several complaints lately of short measure; when she was stooping down poking the fire I kicked her in the head with my hobnailed boot, I never struck her with the poker, and you will find my boots at home"—I brought him to town and went to 11, Grosvenor Cottages with the prisoner—he lived there—he pulled out these boots, they were under a bed; he said "They are the boots I kicked her with"—I took him to the station, and he was charged—a statement was taken down in writing.

GEORGE FOLKARD . I was at the station when the prisoner was brought in and charged—I entered the charge and read it over to him—he commenced to make a statement—I said "If you wish to make a statement it must be taken down in writing, and may be used in evidence against you"—I took it down (read) "No, it was not, it was a kick with my boots, they are the same boots; when I went in I called for half a pint, I told her it was short measure, she said it was not, so I said "All right," then she came in the taproom to poke the fire, and I gave her a kick with my right foot, then I went out"—the prisoner signed that.

Prisoner's Defence. I had been drinking all day long—I should not have done such a thing in my right senses—I did not mean to do her any harm.

GUILTY of unlawful wounding.

He also PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction at Guildhall.— Seven Years' Penal Servitude .

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-431
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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431. SARAH HANNAH ADAMS (87) PLEADED GUILTY to feloniously marrying Henry George Bowdery, his wife being then alive. —One Month's Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Tuesday, April 24th, 1888.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-432
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentencesNo Punishment > sentence respited

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432. EDWARD GEORGE SMITH (23) , PLEADED GUILTY to stealing four books of Edwin Hall and Sons, also to stealing a gelding, a phaeton, and harness of John Loakes.— Judgment respited.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-433
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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433. WILLIAM STEVENS (17), MARY STEVENS (18), and JAMES HALEY (32) , Unlawfully having counterfeit coin in their possession, with intent to utter it.

MR. HORACE AVORY Prosecuted.

JAMES SCANDRETH (Police Sergeant E.) On 13th April about 8.30 p.m. I was with detectives Nichols and Banwell in Clare Market and saw the prisoners together; they went into the Rose and Crown public-house and came out, and Haley handed something to Stevens—a boy came up and Stevens handed him something; the boy ran away and the men returned to the public-house—they all three came out shortly afterwards and went into Clare Market to another public-house and eventually to 37, Colonnade, Russell Square, where they went in and we waited and watched, and about 11.30 a woman gave three knocks at the door, Stevens opened it and I heard something fall which sounded like coin—I ran to the door, caught hold of Stevens' right hand and took from it this packet containing eleven counterfeit shillings wrapped separately in paper—the woman ran away—I told Nichols to seize Stevens' left hand as he had something in it, and I saw Nichols take a coin from his left hand—two other constables came; I left the house in their charge and took Stevens to the station, where I found on him a good florin and shilling and five pence—I went back to the house and found Haley there dressed, and Mary Stevens in charge of two officers—one room leads into another, one is a bedroom and the other a workshop in which I found a quantity of plaster of Paris strewed about—there was no table or furniture of any kind—I found in the bedroom a quantity of white metal, some plaster of Paris, some used, and some not, and some in a basin ready for use, a plumber's ladle, some blocks, a number of broken blocks, and a pane of glass which has since been broken—Mary Stevens and Haley were then taken to the station.

Cross-examined by William Stevens. I believe the woman opened the door to you—you were the first one I saw at the door—you had no hat or jacket on.

ALFRED NICHOLS (Detective Sergeant E.) I was with Scandreth, and went up to the door at the time he seized Stevens, and at his suggestion I took hold of Stevens' right hand and found this counterfeit shilling (produced)—I took Stevens to the station, and went back and up into the room which Mary Stevens was just leaving—I told her she could not leave—she said "I have to go back"—I said "I shall have to take you in custody.as I believe you are in possession of counterfeit coin"—she said "All right, do as you like"—I took her to the station and in March Mont Street, she had her child on her left arm, she said "Wait a minute, my boot is coming off"—I said "You can't do it here"—she then dropped a paper packet—I picked it up and opened it; it contained three counterfeit shillings, separately wrapped up—I said "You are not clever enough"—she mumbled something—I went to the house the next evening with Banwell, searched the dust hole at the back of the house, and found a paper packet containing thirteen bad sixpences, separately wrapped, on a heap of dust on the outside—it could have been thrown there from the bedroom window which was open when we went there on the 13th—the bedroom is built out on an iron column over the dust hole.

Cross-examined by Mary Stevens. You were not undressing your baby when I went in, you were endeavouring to leave the room—your sister or some relation who lives upstairs had got the baby.

WILLIAM BANWELL (Detective officer E.) I was with the other officers-after Wm. Stevens was taken away I went to a first floor bedroom—the door was partly open and I found Mary Stevens sitting by the fire with a baby in her arms, and Haley in bed and undressed; it was about 11.30

—I said "I am a police-officer, I suspect you have got some base coin in your possession—Haley was not awake, but the woman called him and he got up, dressed himself, and tried to get out at the door—I told him I should take him in custody—he put on his jacket, and in the right pocket of it I found a packet containing seven counterfeit half-crowns, separately wrapped in paper in a piece of black rag—I said "How do you account for these?"—he said "I am drunk, I know nothing about it"—he had been drinking—I stayed there till Scandreth came back, and saw him find the other things—I took Haley to the station—I saw Mary Stevens taken out of the room—she had a child in her arms; she did not give it up while I was there—her sister came down from upstairs.

Cross-examined by Mary Stevens. I did not put the coins in your husbands' pocket, I found them in the cupboard.

Cross-examined by Haley. I believe you were asleep—I do not know whether you were drunk—your right jacket-pocket had a hole in it halfway down, but the coins were below that.

Re-examined. It is not true that I put the counterfeit coins into his pocket—he has the same coat on now—he put all his clothes on, hat and all—Stevens' coat was also in the room but we left it there—Stevens was taken to the station without a coat, and his wife's sister brought it to the station—I had not seen Haley's coat when I searched him, and did not search it before he put it on.

JOHN MURPHY (Policeman E. R. 11). I am the landlord of No. 37 Colonnade, and live next door—I saw Sergeant Scandreth step from my doorway and take hold of Stevens right hand—I rushed upstairs with Banwell to the room occupied by the prisoners, and saw Haley get up and dress himself—Banwell then searched him and took out of his pocket a bit of paper and a rag and seven half-crowns—I saw this glass and plaster-of-Paris and ladles found in the room—I searched the back room about 2.30 o'clock, and found a piece of molten metal—the Stevenses have lived there since March 3rd, but Haley had no business there—I never saw him there before—they moved from a room above down to the kitchen and made arrangements with their sister to live in the house—they are man and wife—my wife let the rooms to Mary Stevens for her husband Mr. Stevenson.

Cross-examined by Haley. You were drunk—the detective asked you to get up and dress yourself—I did not hear you say "That is not my coat."

By the COURT. I know nothing about their having these things there, but the Stevenses did no work.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . I am inspector of coin to Her Majesty's Mint—I have examined all these articles, they can all be used in the manufacture of counterfeit coin. These four shillings produced by Nichols, and eleven shillings dropped by the woman are counterfeit, and some of the eleven are from the same moulds as some of the four—these are seven counterfeit half-crowns, most of them from one mould—this is a small piece of a mould, I believe, for sixpences—here is molten metal, bismuth, clamps, glass, and a spoon and knife—the shillings are complete, and were wrapped up separately.

William Stevens' Defence. It is my belief that the officer pat the coins in my pocket.

Mary Stevens' Defence. I saw him go to the cupboard and take out the

black rag, and he put some in my husband's pocket. Going along he said, "Keep your hands open. "Ihad my hands full of my clothes, and my baby on my other arm.

Haley's Defence. They followed me there, and I was drunk, and when I got into the hot room I went off, and they made me lay down. A man would not put coins in a pocket with a hole in it. I showed them at the station that I had no pocket at all—I go anywhere when I have a drop of liquor.

GUILTY. — Judgment respited

FOURTH COURT.—Tuesday, April 24th, 1888.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-434
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434. JOSEPH HALL (32) and KATE DAWSON (30) , Feloniously stealing a watch, handkerchief, and 11s. 11 1/2 d., the goods and money of Henry Piatt, from his person.

MR. WARBURTON Prosecuted.

THOMAS CURTIS (City Policeman 280). About five minutes to 9.p.m. on 22nd March, I was in Shoe Lane, and saw the two prisoners walking with Piatt, Dawson on his left and Hall on his right—I saw Platt's watch-chain was hanging down below his vest—I watched them, and saw Hall place his right hand in Platt's right-hand trousers pocket, and take something from there—I went across the street, took him by the shoulder, and took from his right hand 11s. 11 1/2 d., and told him I should charge him with stealing from the prosecutor—I asked Dawson for the watch, and she threw it from her hand—I took them to the station—the prosecutor was drunk—at the station he said he had lost a silk handkerchief—I asked Dawson for it, and she gave it to me—this is it.

Cross-examined by Hall. I did not see the prosecutor fall—if he had fallen he would have been dirty, it was a dirty night—when I came across the road to you you only said you had none nothing—I took the money from your right hand—I took you by your right arm to the station—your right hand was in the prosecutor's pocket, and you were apparently holding him up by your left hand—I was not told I was wanted across the road—I saw you come down the street, I did not see you at the top—I saw you by the light from the Red Lion—I did not take the prosecutor to the station, I went in front of him, I did not see who led him there, he came.

HENRY PLATT . I am a cutlery manufacturer, of Burgreave Road, Sheffield—on the evening of 2nd March I met Dawson, who was a stranger to me—we had some drink, she stole my watch and a silk handkerchief—we were walking together—I felt her hand and said "Someone has got my watch"—a policeman was close at hand—Hall "was also a stranger to me—he was walking on my other side—this is my handkerchief.

Cross-examined by Hall. I don't remember seeing you till the policeman had you in charge—you did not ask me if you should get me a cab—I was able to walk—I did not fall down—I don't remember you picking up my stick—if I had been down, the footpath was very dirty, and I should have been all over dirt—there were no marks of dirt on my clothes.

Cross-examined by Dawson. You did not ask me for the handkerchief—

it was tied round my neck in a loose way—I wanted to get away from you, but you kept following me—I had been with you from 2, or half-past 2 o'clock.

Hall, in his statement before the Magistrate said that he saw the prosecutor lying in the road; that he picked him up, and offered to fetch a cab; that the prosecutor pulled out his money to see if he could pay for it, and dropped it; that he (Hall) picked it up, and told him to get into a cab, and that then the policeman came. Dawson said that she know nothing of the watch


23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-435
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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435. ALFRED JOHNSON (40) PLEADED GUILTY to stealing two coats, the goods of Edwin Stephens , after a conviction of felony in September, 1887, at this Court.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour . And

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-436
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SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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436. FRANCIS SULLIVAN (20) to burglary in the dwelling-house of John Nelson, and stealing a number of cigars and other articles, after a conviction of felony at this Court in October, 1887.— [Pleaded Guilty: See original trial image.] Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.—Wednesday April 25th, 1888.

Before Mr. Justice Smith.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-437
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment > other institution

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437. GEORGE WILLIAM YOUNG (14) PLEADED GUILTY to three indictments for feloniously setting fire to the house of James William Cooke. The prosecutor recommended the prisoner to mercy.— Ten Days' Imprisonment and Three Years in a Reformatory.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-438
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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438. ROBERT JAMES MATTHEWS , Feloniously wounding Henry Blaming, with intent to murder. Second Count, with intent to do grievous bodily harm.


HENRY BLAMING . I live at 11, Artillery Lane, Bishopsgate Street—up to Christmas last I was employed as potman at the Two Brewers public-house, of which the prisoner was manager—I left the service three days after Christmas—shortly after I was taken before a Magistrate and committed to this Court for an indecent atsault upon the prisoner's daughter. aged 14—I was tried here on 31st January on that charge, and acquitted—that was about 12 o'clock in the day—about 8 that same evening I went to the Two Brewers with Thomas Ginn and Neale—we went to the private bar—the prisoner was standing behind the bar, and ho served me—a man named Benzing was there, he was not a friend, I knew him by his using the house; he was standing by the counter in a different compartment—I nodded and smiled at him—the prisoner was between me and Benzing—he said "Who are you laughing at?"—I said "I have nothing to cry for"—with that he produced a revolver from behind, pointed it at me and fired, it hit me in the stomach; I ran out, he fired again, that hit me in the buttock—I ran immediately to Dr. Duke's, and he attended to me, and from there I was taken to the London Hospital, where I remained for ten weeks and three days.

Cross-examined. I entered the prisoner's service last August; he had two sons and a daughter—until a bother about the daughter we had got

on very well; he was a good master—there are several public-houses in Brick Lane, within 300 yards of the Two Brewers—Neale, Ginn, and I went in together; Neale and Ginn went in first, I went in hardly two seconds after—there was no reason for my stopping outside; I did not tell them to order drink for me—the prisoner had one night declined to serve me—on this night Ginn said I had better not go in, because there might be a bother—I did not say I did not care a d—whether there was a bother or not—I said "It's all right, he will serve me"—I had passed four public-houses before getting to the prisoner's; I don't know why I did not go into one of those, there was no reason—I did not go in to insult the prisoner—Mr. Hannay was the Magistrate who sent me for trial—he told me I could go into the witness-box and contradict the girl's evidence; I did not do so, I misunderstood him; I thought he said something about reserving my defence—what the girl said was a lie, and her father knew it—the prisoner told me while I was in his service that he kept a pistol on account of burglars—when I went into the house on this night I meant just to have a drink and leave, I had two of whisky; I was not in there 15 minutes, I took up a paper to look at—I was not laughing or smiling—I did not say I would give him a big ear.

THOMAS EDWARD GINN . I am a mattress maker, of 29, Ashford-Street, Hoxton—on 31st January I was with Blaming, Neale met us in Church-Street, and we went to go to Baker's Row to see a load of iron weighed—on the road we stopped at the Two Brewers about half-past 7 or a quarter to 8—I and Neale went in first, the prisoner was behind the bar; we had two glasses of ale first, then Blaming came in and he had two of whisky—Neale then went out—Blaming had a paper in his hand, reading, and he laughed across at Benzing—the prisoner said "What are you laughing at?"—he said "I have nothing to cry at"—the prisoner then took a pistol out of his pocket and fired at him—Blaming turned and went to the door to get out, and the prisoner shot him again as he went out—he then jumped over the bar and went out after him with the revolver in his hand; he was brought back by two women.

Cross-examined. I have known Blaming two or three years—I have not worked for him—I do not use the prisoner's house—we had passed a good number of public-houses—I asked Blaming not to go in to the prisoner's, because there would be a bother—he said it would be all right, he would serve him—we were in the house eight or nine minutes before the shot was fired—the whisky was not ordered for Blaming before he came in—Neale paid for it, he ordered it—the prisoner was behind the bar all the eight or nine minutes; he did not fire at Blaming the moment he went in—he was between Blaming and Benzing—there were a lot of people in the bar, but no one I knew—the two shots were fired within a second of each other.

The evidence of Cecilia Barlow, who was too ill to attend, was put in and read, in which she stated "I saw Blaming laugh at the prisoner over the bar, and in about half a minute I heard a shot, I looked up and saw the prisoner fire a second shot.

WILLIAM BENZING . I am a carman, of 4, Queen Street, Spitalfields—on 31st January I was in the Two Brewers—I saw Blaming come in—he nodded at me and smiled—I nodded back and left; almost immediately afterwards I heard two shots—I saw Blaming come out and run away;

directly after the prisoner came out and said "Where is he!" he had a revolver in his hand—I pointed in a contrary direction to that in which Blaming had gone, and he went in that direction; he was very excited.

WALTER DREW (Policeman). On 31st January, about a quarter to 8,1 was called to the Two Brewers; I saw the prisoner behind the bar—I was with Detective Stacey—I said "We are two police-officers; what is it we hear about shooting?" he said "I will tell you all about it"—I cautioned him in the usual way—he said "I had a man as potman here, and he indecently assaulted my daughter; he came in to night with another man and began laughing; I then pulled out my revolver and shot at him and be ran out at the door, and as he done so I shot at him again; "Inspector Bavington then came in and said to us "What have you done?"—the prisoner answered "I have given him two bullets, I wish t had given him a third," and he handed Bavington this revolver—on the way to the station I said "This is a bad job;" the prisoner said "What! I wish I had killed him, there would be an end to the b——then;" when the charge was read over to him he said "Yes;"—there was an interval of five or ten minutes between my going into the house and his using those words going to the station.

Cross-examined. He was not very much excited—he appeared to be very much cut up about his daughter—he gave up the revolver of his own accord—it is a bull-dog revolver, they fire very high.

JOHN BAVINGTON (Police Inspector H). On the night of the 31st I went to the house and saw the prisoner, he was spoken to by the constable in my hearing—He said "I gave him two bullets, I wish I had given him a third; "Isaid "Where is the revolver?" he said "I have it," and he produced it from his right-hand trousers pocket, or from behind; it has five chambers, two discharged, three containing cartridges—I found several similar cartridges in a safe in the bar-parlour—I took one of the bullets out of the revolver and gave it to Mr. Taylor—I found the prosecutor at Mr. Duke's and conveyed him to the hospital.

FREDERICK HOWARD TAYLOR . I am house-surgeon at the London Hospital—I saw Blaming when he was brought there on 31st January—he was suffering from two bullet wounds, one in front at the lower part of the abdomen, going down obliquely towards the thigh, the other going straight into his left buttock—I could pass a probe down the front wound for 31/2 inches, but at the fold of the groin the probe would go no farther, and the bullet remained in; I extracted the other bullet—he remained in the hospital till the 13th of this month; he went before the Magistrate on the 11th, and was discharged two days later—he was in very considerable danger, chiefly from the front wound; he is out of danger now; he will very likely suffer further inconvenience, but not danger to life—I hope the bullet will not work out.

The prisoner received an excellent character.

GUILTY of unlawfully wounding.-Strongly recommended to mercy by the JURY on account of the provocation he received.— Six Weeks' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-439
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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439. JAMES BROWN (a soldier), Feloniously wounding Eliza Jane Gow With intent to murder. Second Count, to do grievous bodily harm.

MR. CARTER Prosecuted; MR. HUTTON Defended.

SOPHIA BETTS . I am landlady of 24, Bainbridge-Street, Mile End—

Eliza Jane Gow has been a lodger for about twelve months, she occupied the front room upstairs—the prisoner lived there as her husband, he did not come there with her; she took the room a few weeks before she came to live there—he enlisted about October—on 2nd April, Easter Monday, between 9 and 10 in the morning, Mrs. Gow was in bed in her room—the prisoner came to my door and said he wanted to see Lis—I said I will go and see if she is up—I went upstairs, he followed me up; she was in bed—I went down into my parlour; in about ten minutes I heard her call out "Mrs. Betts"—I ran upstairs, the prisoner opened the door, I went in and found her bleeding; the prisoner had something in his hand that looked like a knife—she was partly dressed, bleeding from a wound in the throat—she was calling out—the window was open—I sent for a policeman and went up again—her throat was still bleeding; I took a wet towel and put it round it—a cab was sent for and a policeman came—the prisoner was standing in the room part of the time, he then went to the landing and stood at the window—she said "He has cut my throat—I took her to the hospital.

Cross-examined. They had been living in the house some months—somebody in the street fetched the constable; he came in three or four minutes—the prisoner was in the room and called me to fetch a doctor—I could not tell whether the prisoner was the worse for drink when I let him in—Gow was very excited when she said "He has cut my throat," and so was I—I don't know what was said—she told me to get a cab and take her to the hospital.

JOHN BIRCH (Policeman K 269). About 9.45 a.m. on Easter Monday I was called to the house—I saw the prisoner at the top of the first-floor landing—Gow was in the front room, partly dressed, supported by the last witness; she was smothered in blood—she said "I shall lock him up, he has cut my throat with a razor"—I saw a wound in her throat, and blood—she was taken to the hospital—I took the prisoner into custody and took him to Bow Station—he there produced this razor from his pocket and gave it to me; it was covered with fresh blood—he was under the influence of drink and smelt strongly of spirits.

Cross-examined. When I got there was a great deal of confusion—I did not search the room.

ELIZA JANE GOW . I am single, and live at 24, Bainbridge Street—I was living there with the prisoner down to five or six months ago, he then enlisted as a soldier—on the morning of Easter Monday, a little before 9, he came to my room—we had a quarrel and a desperate row, and some minutes after I found I was bleeding from somewhere I did not know where at the time—I don't remember anything till my landlady came in and put a towel round my neck—I lifted up the window and called out murder—I have not the slightest idea how it happened.

Cross-examined. I dont remember his using any threatening words to me—I do not believe when he came into the room that he had any tention to inflict any injury upon me—I remember putting my hands on a chair and threatening to strike him with it—I don't remember picking up any other weapon and threatening to strike him—I did not pick up one of his razors—he had two or three razors there, and his shaving tackle—I was in a very excited state—I lifted up the chair—I had nothing else in my hand—I did not strike him with the chain

—I did not say at the police-court "I would not like to Bay I did not do it myself"—I am sure I did not do it.

GEORGE ERNEST HAZLITT . I am house-surgeon at the London Hospital—on Easter Monday the prosecutrix was admitted a little after 10—she was suffering from a wound in her throat, it extended down to the windpipe—it was about three inches in length—she also had a jagged wound on the inner side of the right arm—I formed the opinion that the wounds were not self-inflicted—the woman knew what she was speaking about; she was not intoxicated, she may have been drinking, but she Knew what she was saying. Cross-examined. The wound in the neck was not in itself very dangerous; it was not deep; it came from left to right—that wound might have been self-inflicted—looking at the wound itself one could not say whether it was self-inflicted or not; the other could not.

GUILTY of unlawfully wounding.— Three Months' Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Wednesday, April 25th, 1888.

Before Mr. Recorder.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-440
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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440. WILLIAM DYER (34) PLEADED GUILTY to breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Bartholomew Brown, and stealing a Bible and an overcoat, his property.— Four Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-441
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentencesImprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > other institution

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441. GEORGE JORDAN (13), WILLIAM ALFRED PINK (14), and JOHN QUIRK (15) to burglariously entering the dwelling-house of John Tres, and stealing his goods; also to a burglary in the dwelling-house of Janet Knott, and stealing some cakes of black lead.— [Pleaded Guilty: See original trial image.] One Months' Hard Labour and Three Years each in a Reformatory.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-442
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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442. RICHARD HARRIS (28) to feloniously marrying Mary Ann Price, his wife being alive.— [Pleaded Guilty: See original trial image.] One Month without Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-443
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentencesImprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment

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443. ARTHUR ANGUS MUNRO (40) to unlawfully attempting to obtain a revolver and a carriage clock by false pretences; also, to forging and uttering an order for 16l., after, a conviction at Clerkenwell, in March. 1881, of obtaining goods by false pretences; also with EMMA MONRO (30) to stealing a watch and chain, the goods of John Rolls, and a watch and chain, the goods of John Holden, from his dwelling house.— [Pleaded Guilty: See original trial image.] ARTHUR ANGUS MONRO— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour . EMMA MONRO— Four Days' Imprisonment.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-444
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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444. GEORGE BROWN (30) Stealing a watch and part of a chain from the person of Thomas Passmore.

MR. CAKTER Prosecuted.

THOMAS PASSMORE . I live at 10, Oak Terrace, Victoria Park Road—on 20th April, between 3 and 4 p.m., I was in High Street, Whitechapel with my wife—my coat was open and my watch in my pocket—a man came in front of me, snatched my watch, and made a tug and broke the chain—I grabbed him and he fell; I held him till I gave him into custody—he must have passed the watch between his legs—it was worth 10l

OAEOLINE PASSMOKE . I was with my husband, and saw the prisoner come up; he snatched my husband's watch, who caught him by the collar—he struggled a great deal in a stooping position, and passed the watch to just other man between my husband's legs—I took the other with by

the collar, but could not hold him, and he ran through the passage, carrying it with him—I saw the prisoner with my husband's watch in his hand and the chain hanging down.

EDWARD LAKE (Policeman). I was on duty last Friday, and saw a mob at the corner of Half Moon Passage—Passmore was holding the prisoner by his neck, and gave him into my custody for stealing his watch—he said "I have not got your watch"—I saw another man running away.

Prisoner's Defence. Is it possible, if I had the watch and chain, and he had me tight by the neck against the wall, that I could have passed it to anybody else? I saw a man running, and Passmore said "You have got my watch"—I said "I don't know what you mean"—because he could not catch the other man, he said "I will hold you for it."

GUILTY . — Six Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-445
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445. JAMES MILEY BLAZEY (44) Forging and uttering a receipt for 6s., with intent to defraud.

MR. RIBTON Prosecuted.

GEORGE COOK . I am a cab proprietor, of 20, Cornwall Road, Fulham—the prisoner is a cab-driver—on 3rd March he hired a cab of me for the day, with the use of two horses—he had the second horse about 9 p.m., and on the Monday morning he came and told me that the horse had ran away in Fulham Road, and had run against a truck of flowers and damaged it—he gave me this receipt, "Received of Mr. George Cook 6s. for damage done to truck, Wm. Clark"—I asked him to get up in my cart and go to the police-station, and if it was all right, I would trust him with a cab again—he refused—I went to the station, saw the report that no damage was done, went back, and the prisoner was gone—he came next morning, and I told him that his statement was quite different—he demanded his licence, but I said I should lay a complaint before a Magistrate—he said that he should go too, and ask for a summons for my detaining his licence—the Magistrate investigated the case, and sent it for trial—the prisoner said that he had paid the man the 6s., and would stop it out of what he owed me, but he paid me nothing—he said he gave 6s. on the receipt, and gave 1s. for the horse, and spent 6d. in beer.

ALEXANDER SMITH . On Saturday, March 3rd, about 10.10 p.m., I saw a runaway horse and cab in Fulham Road—Humphreys stopped, it and about five minutes afterwards the defendant came up on top of an omnibus—he got down, and he and his brother both said, that he had not damaged anything—I took his number; he said there was no occasion for that as he came on top of the omnibus and the road was all clear, and that he went into a public-house, leaving his brother in charge of the cab, and when he came out the horse had bolted, but had not damaged any thing or any one," and I handed the cab over to him.

EDWARD HUMPHREYS . I am a carman of 3, Crown Mews, Fulham—I saw a horse and cab coming down Ratcliffe Gardens at a furious pace—I stopped it—the prisoner's brother came up first, and then the prisoner got off an omnibus and asked me if it was all right—I said "Yes," and he gave me 1s. and paid for some ale—I heard of no accident.

Cross-examined. You came down five or ten minutes after the horse was stopped.

JESSE PEARSON (Police Inspector P). I have made inquiries and failed to find anybody named Clarkey or Clark.

(There being no proof that the receipt was in the prisoner's writing, THE RECORDER directed a verdict of


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Reference Numbert18880423-446
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447. ANNIE TOWNSEND (21) , Stealing a purse and 4l. 7s. 6d. from the person of George Edmund Geach.

MR. PARTRIDGE Prosecuted.

GEORGE EDMUND GEACH . On 21st March, about 9.45 p.m., I met the prisoner at the City end of London Bridge—she asked me to give her the price of a drink—I said I had no change, but went with her to a public house, ordered some drink, and turned my money out of my purse into my hand and selected a small coin—it contained 4l. 7s. or 4l. 8s.; I know there were four sovereigns and some silver—on leaving she tried to prevail on me to go home with her—I refused and she asked me to stand another drink at the Last, but she made an excuse not to go in with me—I went in and had a glass of beer, but did not pay for it as I expected her every minute and intended to pay for the two together—she did not return and I missed my purse—I went in search of her, and about an hour and a half afterwards found her in the Borough and said "You have stolen my purse, return it to me, please,"—she said "I know nothing about it"—I gave her in charge to Sergeant Rowe—while she was proceeding to be charged, the sergeant showed me my purse—this is it (produced).

Cross-examined. I bought you one glass of beer at the first house, but no more—I did not ask you if you smoked, or call for half an ounce of tobacco—I did not take you down to a quiet place and give you my purse there.

By the COURT. It was in my right trousers pocket—I did not know where to go after her; it was quite by chance that I found her—she was pulling me about in the public-house, but I was not aware she was robbing me.

RICHARD ROW (Police Sergeant M.) Geach gave the prisoner into my custody for stealing his purse—she said "I know nothing about your purse"—I took her to Southwark station first and then to Seething Lane, and going over the bridge she handed me the purse, it contained 4l. in gold; and 4s. 4 1/2 d. was found on her, loose, when she was searched—I charged her at the station, and she said "He gave me the purse."

Cross-examined. Some tobacco dust was found on you and an old clay-pipe and a bottle of rum.

The prisoner's statement before the Magistrate. "He gave me the purse."

GEORGE EDWARD GEACH (Re-examined). I had had sufficient drink to make me good-natured, but I was in perfect possession of my senses.

Prisoners Defence. When he gave me this purse he took advantage of me—he was not sober.


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Reference Numbert18880423-448
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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448. WILLIAM HIGGINS (29) , Assaulting Henry Parkhurst, with intent to rob him.

MR. HUTTON Prosecuted; MR. LAWLESS Defended.

HENRY PARKHURST . I am a warehouseman of 106, Richmond Road, Dalston—on 16th March, about midnight, I was going home, and in Baker's Row I suddenly found a leg across my legs, and received a severe blow on my mouth, which felled me to the ground, face downwards, cutting my mouth and nose severely and rendering me senseless—Maidment picked me up—I afterwards saw the prisoner in custody and missed my watch and chain.

Cross-examined. The road was tolerably light, there were gas-lamps—very few people were about—I had a cut-away coat under my overcoat, one button of which was buttoned; it lapped across, it did not button on the edge—the policeman lifted me up instantaneously, as it seemed to me, and the prisoner was then in custody.

JOHN WRIGHT (Policeman H 286). I was on duty in Bakers' Row with another constable and saw the prisoner trip up Parkhurst with his left foot, strike him with his left hand, and make a snatch at his chain, which was rather exposed, you could see it between the buttons—this was under a lamp—the prisoner ran away, I ran after him and caught him, but he got away and went round a horse and cart—I caught him again and gave him in custody.

Cross-examined. I was 13 or 14 yards off, even with them on the other side—the prisoner's back was rather towards me. FREDERICK MAIDMENT (Policeman H R 122). I was on duty with Wright and saw the prisoner come out of White's Row and trip Parkhurst up, and as he fell forward he struck him on his eyes, nose, and mouth—I went accross and picked him up and Wright caught the prisoner.

Cross-examined. The prisoner was not under the influence of drink—he went behind Parkhurst and tripped him up with his left foot and struck him—these things (produced) are covered with his blood.

The Prisoner's statement before the Magistrate. "I was waiting for a man to give him a hiding, and I ran and knocked against the prosecutor and he fell. I did not know he had a watch chain."


He then PLEADED GUILTY **to a conviction at this Court in January, 1886.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

THIRD COURT.—Wednesday, April 25th, 1888

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-449
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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449. DANIEL BRADLEY (21) , Unlawfully and maliciously wounding Thomas Fitzpatrick. Second Count, occasioning him actual bodily harm.

MR. WARBURTON Prosecuted; MR. PURCELL Defended.

THOMAS FITZPATRICK . I am a labourer, of 13, Henley Road, Brentford—on 2nd April, about 10.50 p.m., I was coming home from Kew, where I worked—I met a friend, Mr. O'Leary, outside the Lamb beer-house, and went into the Lamb to have something to drink with him—we came out and went into O'Leary's house—I there saw the prisoner sitting on a chair—he told me to go and fetch my f—g brother-in-law—I told him I had not one, only one that was in America, and I could not

fetch him—he said "You will do just as wells"—I said "What for?"—he said "I mean doing for you"—I said "What for?"—he took off his coat and vest and hit me with his fist on my head, and knocked me down, and when I was rising up two of his friends came in who I did not know; one of them seized me by my collar, and he hit me again and knocked me down in the same way—when I was getting up I saw the prisoner go and get a knife, and he struck me on my ear with it and took about an inch off it—this is sticking plaster on it—the prisoner was very drunk—I took the knife from him, and the landlady and one of his friends took it from me and said I should not have it to take to the police-court—I fell down, losing such a lot of blood, and Mr. O'Leary led me home—I came back with my sister, and when I got in I saw the man behind a ladder In the back yard trying to hide himself behind some sacks—my sister brought him from there—he was standing up, and had a sack right across him—he was behind a ladder with a sack round him—we had a lamp, and saw his feet—I had not struck him at all, or given him any provocation—I knew him, but had never been in his company—I had seen him in the morning—this was the first time I had seen him in the evening—he was not in the public-house.

Cross-examined. This was Bank-holiday—I had been photographing at Kew, but was not very busy on account of its being bad weather; very likely it drove people into public-houses—I went into three, four, or five public-houses—I stopped a little longer than a minute in each of them, and had something to drink—all I had was four glasses of ale all day—I went home about 8.15 and washed myself—I remained indoors about half an hour, and then walked about a mile and a half with a friend, and came back—I had nothing to drink till I met Mr. O'Leary, and went into the Lamb at 10.60—it was not wet that evening—we stopped in there seven or eight minutes, because the landlady said it was time, and they brought the beer outside and we drank it; they close at 11 o'clock—when I got to 0'Leary's no one but the prisoner and Mr. O'Leary were in the house—Mrs. Kate O'Leary came in just after me—there were no other ladies—I am quite certain I did not begin when I got in by taking off my coat; if Kate O'Leary says I did that is wrong—my mind is quite clear as to what happened on this day—I did not knock him down, nor did I then go to the drawer and take out a knife—I did not say "If any one comes in front of me I will stick him"—if Kate O'Leary says that, it is a wicked lie; she was quite intoxicated at the time, and knows nothing about the affair—she took the knife away from me—I and the prisoner had a scuffle while I had the knife in my hand till I got it from him—we never got on the ground at all—Kate O'Leary did not turn me out of the house and bar the door to prevent my coming in again—I did not return with my brother, and my brother did not hold the prisoner while I beat him—if Kate O'Leary swears that it is a wicked invention—I have never been in any assault matter before—I was summoned for breaking a window when I went to school, and fined 5s.; nothing besides that—my real work is stoking at the Brentford Gas Works—I was out of employment on Bank-holiday, and went out with a photographer—I am a native of Brentford—I lived at Greenwich three or four years—I have never been in prison—I saw the prisoner at Kew at 2 o'clock—nothing passed then only that he said good morning

to me—we have known each other some time, but I have never been in his company much—I know him by sight well.

Re-examined. I was not drunk—I had had four glasses, but knew what was happening perfectly—there is no pretence for saying I first took off my coat and tried to fight him.

By MR. PURCELL. I saw the prisoner after this Bank-holiday on the Wednesday evening—I did not tell him that if he gave me the price of a pair of boots I would not go on with this—he insulted me, and said he would do the same if I locked him up.

KATHERINE FITZPATRICK . I am the sister of the last witness—on 2nd April I was not present when this occurred, but afterwards I went with him to Mrs. O'Leary's door, and asked her if Daniel Bradley was there—she said "No"—I took a light from the mantelpiece and took it to the back entrance, where I saw the prisoner lying down, covered with two pieces of sack—I said "Aren't you ashamed of yourself for stabbing my brother like this"—he said "I am very sorry for what I have done," and "forgive me."

Cross-examined. My brother went with me to the house, and my other brother came in afterwards—one of my brothers did not hold the prisoner while the other one beat him; I am certain of that—I did not see them—I told the prisoner to go home after I found him under the sacks—I believe he was sober; I am not certain—he was not very drunk; I believe he spoke to me all right—I went there about 20 minutes after my brother came home with his ear cut—the prisoner was like in a wash house, with a piece of sack over him behind a ladder—Mrs. O'Leary told me he was not there—they did not tell me they had already turned my brother out once to prevent his getting to the prisoner—I did not believe them when they said he was not there—he had not come along because we had been to the doctor's, and I should have seen him if he had come along; and I went and looked to see if he was there—I called out "There he is"—then my brother said "Aren't you ashamed to hit my brother like that?"—he said "I am very sorry for what has happened"—I also said "Why have you assaulted him like that?"—he again said he was very sorry—he said it once to me and once to my brother—I did not hear him ask my brother to forgive him—he asked us to forgive him—he said "Forgive me for what I have done"—I said that to the Magistrate—my brother was quite sober, I saw him standing at the bottom of the entrance where this took place—when he came indoors and went to the doctor's he was quite sober—he was bleeding dreadfully from his ear—that was what called my attention.

Re-examined. The prisoner used to lodge at Mrs. O'Leary's, but not at that time—I don't believe she is any relation to Mr. O'Leary.

HENRY BOTT . I am divisional surgeon at Brentford—on 5th April I saw the prosecutor, the lower part of his left ear was cut off, a clean-cut wound—I dressed it and have attended to it since—it must have been done with a sharp instrument—it is a permanent disfigurement, he will be minus a small piece of ear; the wound has not healed, I have ceased attending him.

Cross-examined. He has not lost an inch, it is about one-third of the lobe—I first saw him at 1.5, he came immediately after the accident I believe; but I was away from home, and my assistant dresssed the wound.

ALFRED LYE (Policeman T 459). About 11.30 p.m. on the 14th instant, I took the prisoner on a warrant, in the High Street, Brentford—I told him the charge; he said, "Yes, all right, I know all about it,"—I took him to the station, he made no reply to the charge—the warrant officer had searched for him previously—I had not been to his house.

Cross-examined. The warrant had been in my hands about an hour—it is not here, nor is the warrant officer.

Witness for like Defence.

KATE O'LEARY . I am the wife of Jeremiah O'Leary, and live at Old Brentford—on 2nd April, Bank Holiday, the prisoner came in about 11.10, my husband, Thomas Fitzpatrick and myself came in ten minutes afterwards—Fitzpatrick took off his coat and hit the prisoner and flung him against the fireplace—then he went to my table-drawer and took out a dinner knife and said, "Anyone who comes before me I will stick him"—I went over to him and said, "You will stick no one here," taking the knife out of his hand—the prisoner was near him—I put the knife into the drawer again—the prisoner and Fitzpatrick had a scuffle, and Fitzpatrick fell down on the stairs on some nails and said "Oh dear, my ear"—the prisoner did not have the knife in his hand at all—Fitzpatrick went out in about a quarter of an hour—he came back and my door was then locked, and he fetched his sister and brother; I would not open the door, and he smashed one of my windows—I opened my door then, because I thought he would smash all the windows—the prisoner was at the back then, he went there before Fitzpatrick came back—they fetched him in and Thomas Fitzpatrick or his brother held my brother while the other one whacked him—I did not say he was not in when my sister and two brothers came and wanted to see him—they took the lamp and found him—Fitzpatrick was not quite sober.

Crosse-examined. I had not been merrymaking—I was indoors when they came—I had been to Kew—I was not the worse for drink, I was never drunk in my life—I had some carpet on my stairs, and there were nails there with the business side uppermost; the sharp ends were sticking up through the carpet.

Re-examined. I am the prisoner's cousin—he has only been over here from Ireland about nine months. Evidence in reply.

HENRY BOTT (Re-examined). This injury to the ear could not have been caused by falling on tin tacks, even with the sharp ends uppermost—in that case I should expect a jagged wound, this was clean cut and the piece was gone.

The prisoner in his statement before the Magistrate said that he was in the house when Fitzpatrick came in and struck him, and he hit him back, and that then Mrs. O'Leary told Fitzpatrick to leave, that he did so and then came hack with his brother.

The prisoner received a good character. NOT GUILTY .

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-450
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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450. ALEXANDER SWEENEY (31) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of THOMAS ARTER , with intent to steal.

MR. ROGERS prosecuted.

THOMAS ROBERT ARTER . I am a provision merchant, at 484 and 486, Cable Street, Shadwell—one is the wholesale and the other the retail department—it is a dwelling-house as well-at 2.30 a.m. on 20th March


I was awoke by my dog barking—I called to my assistant, who sleeps in the next room—I jumped out of bed opened the window and saw the prisoner on the top of the window-guard which we use instead of shutters—just previous to that I heard the breaking of glass—I gave an alarm, a constable came and caught the prisoner with his foot through the window-guard, hanging by his foot head downwards in the snow about 4 ft. from the roadway—two of my assistants and the constables extricated him—when I first saw him he was on the top of the iron spikes—he attempted to escape, and his foot slipped through the bars—I called, "Police"—I did not see him slip; he was on the top of the grating and when they got down to the street he was hanging down.

WILLIAM MOON (Policeman HR 38). On 20th March I heard cries of police, ran down Cable Street and saw Mr. Arter looking out at the first floor front window; he said "What is that man doing there"—I then saw the prisoner hanging by his right leg in the iron rails head downwards—I held him up by the shoulder and tried to pull him out, but could not—I saw that the plate glass window was broken—I holloaed to the man inside—two of the assistants came out, and we had to lift him bodily out to get his legs out from the rails—I afterwards saw finger-marks in the snow over the facia, which is about 12 ft. from the ground—I took him to the station—he said "My God, this is the first time I have been in this city, I was drunk"—he was drunk, he knew what he was doing, he was not so drunk as all that, or he could not have got up there.

By the JURY. Nothing was found on him, no tools, no money, and no discharge; his money and his discharge from a ship were at Green's Home. The prisoner produced a written defence, stating that he had just come from sea, and got very drunk, and found himself next morning in the police cell.


23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-451
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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451. ALEXANDER SWEENEY was again indicted for maliciously doing damage to the value of 10l. to a pane of glass forming part of the window of Thomas Arter.

MR. ROGERS offered no evidence. NOT GUILTY

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-452
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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452. WILLIAM CREED (28), GEORGE SCOTT (20), and WILLIAM CLARK (23) , Stealing a barrow and four gross of bottles, the goods of William Hodge and another.

MR. BODKIN Prosecuted. THOMAS BOSHER. I am in the employ of Stephen Noakes, a cooper, of 12, Queen Street, Tower Hill—I was with Hodge, a fellow-servant, about 2 p.m. on 26th March—we had a barrow with a quantity of empty bottles, value about 6l., which we were going to take to Mr. Welsh, of Thames Street—we went into the Crooked Billet on Tower Hill to have some refreshment, leaving the barrow outside—we were in two or three minutes and when we came out it had gone—Hodge went one way and I another, to look for it—I went to Mr. Wines's premises at Shadwell—knowing him as a buyer of bottles, I considered that a likely place to go to—I spoke to him and he told me to fetch a constable—just as I turned in at one end of the street the three prisoners came in at the other end with the barrow-load, one pulling and the other two shoving it—they

took it to Mr. Wines's, and one of them said to him "Do you buy these bottles"—he said "Yes"—I brought back two constables—I found the bottles and the prisoners there—the prisoners were taken into custody—it is about a mile from Mr. Wines's place to the Crooked Billet—I gave no authority to the prisoners to move the bottles and barrow—I did not offer them a shilling to take the bottles to Mr. Wines's—I never saw them before.

Cross-examined by Creed. You came in at one end just as I came in at the other—Hodge did not come to the station that night; he had gone another way to look for you—at Arbour Square next morning you said that he gave you 1s. on Tower Hill to pull the barrow away.

WILLIAM HODGE . I am a partner with Mr. Noakes, a bottle merchant, of 12, Queen Street, Tower Hill-on 26th March I was with Bother, having in our charge a barrow with a number of bottles on it—we went into the Crooked Billet on Tower Hill, leaving the barrow and bottles outside—after three or four minutes we came out; the barrow was gone—I and he went in different directions to try and find the bottles and barrow; I did not find them—I was examined at the police-court on 27th March—before that morning I had never seen any of the prisoners—I was not the gentleman with the red and black scarf who promised to give the prisoners 1s. each to pull the barrow to Shadwell.

By the COURT. I got wringing-wet trying to find the barrow—I went all the way to Bamsbury; it was raining hard.

Cross-examined by Creed. I was not at Leman Street the night you were charged, because I was trying to find the barrow—a young man who keeps a marine store at the comer of Queen Street was on the road, and Mr. Noakes said "I will give you 6d., to ran down the road, and if you see a barrow-load of bottles on the road come and tell me, and go to Wines's," and the man came and told Mr. Noakes, who was at the premises—the prisoners worked round and sold the bottles in the meantime—it is 100 yards, I should think, from our place to the public-house—I commnnicated with Mr. Noakes directly I lost the bottles—I did not give you 1s. each to take the bottles, nor did I come with you along Mint and Cable Streets till we got to the turning Mr. Wines's place is in, and tell you to take them down to the gateway on the left—I never saw either of you in my life.

Cross-examined by Scott. I did not call you over from a urinal and ask if you had anything to do—I did not say "Give these chaps a hand, and I will give you 1s."—I had my own man to assist me, and the bottles were already sold—I worked round to Barnsbury that night—we had lost some before, and I found them out that way—there are more bottle-dealers out City Road way than any other way.

Re-examined. One man could move this barrow—my man drew it by himself to the station. JOHN MASKELL (Policeman H 140). About 4 p.m. on 26th March I was called to Mr. Wines's, where I saw the prisoners—some information was given to me about some bottles—the prisoners said a man gave them ls. on Tower Hill to take the bottles to Mr. Wines to sell—these are a sample of the bottles—the prisoners were all together when that explanation was given by one of them—they did not say who the man was; they said they thought they should know him if they saw him again, that he were a

plaid scarf—the men were taken to the station and charged; they made no answer—they gave no address.

Cross-examined by Creed. At Arbour Square next day you identified Hodge as the man who gave you the 1s. to sell the bottles to Mr. Wines—Hodge denied it, and said he never saw the man before in his life.

GEORGE JOSEPH WINES . I am a bottle merchant at Dellow Street, Shadwell, and live at 177, High Street, Shadwell—about 3.30 on 26th March the three prisoners came to my business premises, bringing a barrow-load of three boxes of bottles, which they asked me if I would buy—I said "Yes"—I had had a communication from Mr. Noakes, and had given certain directions to Bosher—I told the prisoners I would buy the bottles, to keep them until Bosher returned with a constable—two constables came, and the prisoners were taken to the station—there were four gross of bottles, worth about 2l.—I don't know the value of the barrow and boxes.

Cross-examined by Creed. When you came the wicket-gate was open, and I told you to pull the barrow inside—you identified, at Arbour Square, a man and said "That is the man that employed us on Tower Hill, only he has got another scarf on now; yesterday he had a red and black one on"—the two constables came in directly after you.

Cross-examined by MR. SCOTT. You did not say a man at the bottom told you to pull the barrow down.

The Prisoners, in their Statements before the Magistrate and in their defences, said that a man had given them a shilling each to drag the barrow of bottles to Shadwell.

THOMAS BOSHER (Re-examined by the Jury). I was in the public-house between 2 and 3 o'clock—Hodge was there too—we did not part company before we lost the barrow—Hodge could not have stopped to engage the prisoners with out my knowing it—Hodge had on the same scarf as he has now (a blue and Hack one).

GUILTY Six Months' Hard Labour each.

OLD COURT.—Thursday, April 26th, 1888.

Before Mr. Justice Smith.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-453
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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GUILTY Recommended to mercy by the Jury on account of his good character.— Six Years' Penal Servitude.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-454
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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Q.C., and GEOGHEGAN Defended.

The child in question was one of twins, of which the prisoner's daughter was delivered. After hearing MR. MEAD'S opening, and it appearing from the medical evidence that the death might have arisen from natural causes, the Jury found the prisoner

NOT GUILTY A similar verdict was taken as to another indictment with respect to the other child.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-455
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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455. SOLOMON SOLOMONS (27) , For a rape on Annie Smith.

MR. ERNEST BEARD Prosecuted; MR. GEOGHEGAN Defended.

GUILTY Six Years' Penal Servitude.

NEW COURT.—Thursday, April 26th, 1888.

Before Mr. Recorder.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-456
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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456. CATHERINE FARREN (19), and NELLY NUGENT (17) , Stealing a purse and ring and 1l. 15s., the goods of Jacob Dethless, from his person.

JACOB DETHLESS . I am mate of the sailing ship Herscell—on 13th April, a little before 11 p.m., I met Farren in St. George's Street; she asked me for a glass of beer, and we went into a public-house—we then came out and went to another public-house—she asked me to go with her to her house, and we went through several streets and arrived there—she asked me for a shilling for beer; I gave it to her, and she sent a girl away for some beer—she then asked for more and I gave her some more—Nugent then came in and asked me for 2s., and 10d. for beer—I gave her 2s., and then 10d. for some beer, and they sent out for it—I took the purse out of my trousers pocket to give her the 10d. and then put it in my jacket pocket—Nugent was then sitting down alongside of me—shortly afterwards the prisoners left the room, and in about ten seconds I missed my purse—they did not return, and I asked an old woman where they were—I looked for them but could not see them—I then went three or four houses away, and returned and found the door shut—I then went for a policeman and went back with him to the house, and found seven or eight women sitting in the kitchen—the prisoners ran upstairs and the policeman went after them and arrested them in a bedroom—I had about 35s. in English money in my purse, and 2s. 6d. in German money, and a ring.

DAVID QUICKENHAM (Policeman H 329). About 11.15 I was on duty in Cable Street—the prosecutor made a communication to me, and I went with him to 1, Victoria Court, Dellar Street, Shadwell—I there saw the prisoners and some more women, standing by a table in the kitchen—directly the prisoners observed me they ran upstairs—I cannot say if they saw the prosecutor following me—I went upstairs after them and turned on my light, and Farren exclaimed "It ain't us, governor, you have made a mistake"—the prosecutor then saw them and said "They are the women that robbed me"—they heard him say that and said "It is a mistake"—he was quite sober.

The Prisoners' Statements before the Magistrate. Farren says: "I came from work at 7 o'clock, there was a row in No. 1, a crowd was round the door, there was a fight between Mrs. Regan and Mrs. Riley; the constable came in; we went upstairs as we thought he might take us; the constable asked him if we was the people; he said 'I think so,' he said this twice." Nugent says: "Last Friday I was upstairs about 11 o'clock; I heard screams; me and my mother went downstairs; we went in and parted them; the constable came in and I got frightened; we went upstairs; the policeman came up; I stood in the middle of the room."

The prisoners repeated the same statements in their defences.

Witness for defence.

JANE NUGENT . I am the mother of Nellie Nugent—on 13th April, about 11.5, I heard a holloaing between two women; me and my girl went down, and we stood about two seconds listening to the row, and the next I heard was that my girl was locked up—I was not present when the policeman came in.

Cross-examined. I met Farren at the door as we went along—my daughter and I left off work at 11.5.

DAVID QUICKENHAM (Policeman H 329). I know nothing of a row in that house, the court was all quiet when I went down—the other women remained in the kitchen, only the two prisoners ran upstairs.

GUILTY Three Months' Hard Labour each.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-457
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > hard labour

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457. SOLOMON HARRIS (26), JOSEPH GOODSON (32), and GEORGE CASTLE (39) , Stealing 1,274 yards of shirting, and 1,098 yards of cretonne, the goods of James Fardell and another.

MESSRS. MEAD and PARTRIDGE, for the prosecution, offered no evidence against


MR. PUBCELL appeared for Harris, and MR. CRUMP, Q.C., for Castle.

COLIN GOVAN . I am a partner in the firm of Auld and Co., calico printers, of Glasgow—on 17th February I sent three bales of cretonne by the General Steam Navigation Company to G. H. Botcherby, 63, Friday Street, London—one of those contained 10 pieces, or 1,0981/2 yards, valued about 41l. 3s. 11d.—it was specially made for them; we could not sell it to any other party—there were 10 pieces in each of the other bales, but the measurements were not the same—I have been shown a sample of that cretonne by the police; it corresponds with what was sent; I have samples here.

ROBERT CAMERON HIGGINS . I am a partner in the firm of Lomby and Higgins, of Glasgow—on February 17th I consigned two bales of Cambridge shirting to Boyd and Co., of Friday Street, London, by the General Steam Navigation Company, one of 1,274 yards, and one 1,3301/2 yards—the value of the latter was 28l. 3s., 7d.,—the police have shown me samples; they are the same.

JOHN FORD . I am delivery foreman at Irongate Wharf, General Steam Navigation Company—on 21 at February I delivered 10 packages to Egan, Messrs. Fardell's man—five of them were consigned to Boyd and Co., and five to Botcherby and Co., both of Friday Street—I produce the delivery note—they were in good condition and fully addressed.

WILLIAM EGAN . I was in the employ of Fardell and Co. on 21st February, and received 14 packages that day at Irongate Wharf—five were for Boyd and Co., and five for Botcherby's—there was a block at the Watling Street end of Friday Street, and I left my four-wheeled trolly, and went on to deliver some things at Allison's, and after I returned I missed one of Botcherby's bales and one of Boyd's—I gave information to the police directly at Cloak Lane, and then delivered the remaining four at Botcherby and Boyd's.

ALFRED LAMBERT . I am foreman to Mr. Botcherby, of 63, Friday Street—on 21st February I received four parcels from Egan; three were from Auld and Co., of Glasgow, but I only received two of them—they contained cretonne—I have seen similar cretonne in the hands of the police.

WILLIAM CORDER . I am in Mr. Botcherby's service—on February 21st I checked the goods which arrived at Fardell's—there were 10 packages—the missing bale should have contained 1,098 yards of cretonne.

REUBEN VENABLES . I am receiving foreman to Boyd and Co., of Friday Street—on 21st February I received four parcels from Messrs. Fardell; I ought to have had five—the missing one should have contained 1,3001/2 yards of shirting, consigned to us by a firm in Glasgow.

GODFREY LEYTON . I am warehouseman to Blundell Brothers, warehousemen, 157, Cheapside—I bought 900 black China goat-skins, some of which were lying to my order in February at Smith's warehouse, Cross Lane—13 had been lined with black linen, and were at our warehouse—there is a particular mark on them, which was put on in China—I lost 114, value 25l.—the police showed me two of the lined ones, which I identified.

FREDERICK ROBINSON . I am in the service of Blundell Brothers, of 157, Cheapside—on 2nd February I gave an order for the delivery of 300 goat skins to a lad named Felton, in the employ of Mr. Husen, a cleaner, for Mr. Smith, and on 23rd February I gave the same boy 13 lined rugs to be cleaned—I have seen one of the 13 in the hands of the police.

THOMAS GREEN . I am in the service of William Smith and Sons, warehousemen, of Cross Lane—on 23rd February I delivered to Felton 101 bales of China goat-skins, limilar to this one produced.

HENRY FETTER . I am in the employ of Mr. Husen, a deaner, of 165, Usher Road, Bow—I received an order in February for the delivery of a lot of skins from Smith and Sons—oh 23rd February I went to Messrs. Blundell's warehouse, and received from Robinson 13 lined rugs to be taken to be cleaned—I then went to Messrs. Smith's, and received from Green 101 black China goat-skins—I put the 101 on a truck with the 13, and went towards home—I went into a tavern to have some coffee, and when I came out they were gone—I informed the police.

ADOLPHUS FISHER . I am a draper, of Blackstock Road, Highbury—I have known Harris for years—at the end of February I received a letter from him, which I have destroyed—I went to him, and he said, "I have some rugs to sell"—I said that they were no use to me—he said that he should have some salvage goods soon from a fire—I went away, and in a day or two I received another letter from him, which I have destroyed—it said that he had some goods which would suit me—I went to him at his house in Clark Street—he said that he had some cretonne and shirtings at his stable, from a salvage—we went to a public-house—the prisoner Castle came in, and we all three went to the stable—Harris showed me five pieces of cretonne—he said there were about 500 yards and about 500 yards of shirting; they were both soiled—I bought the lot for 9l. 13s. 8d., about 2 1/4 d. a yard—Harris put the lengths down, and Castle took the money—they took an equal part in the transaction—Harris said he would send a receipt, but it never came—the goods afterwards arrived at my place, and I brushed and cleaned them—I sold them a few days after for a little over 10l. to a job buyer who called round on drapers.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I believe this was between the 2nd and 5th of March—Harris is a dealer in salvage goods—I have known him five years—he bears the character of a respectable tradesman—I have dealt with him before—there was some Spanish doth there, wet

and burnt, and some straw hats—what I bought was much more soiled than what I saw at the station—dozens of buyers come round to shops—Harris kept some record, in consequence of which the police called on me; I made a statement to them and was called before the Magistrate.

Cross-examined by MR. CRUMP. I had seen Castle once before in the neighbourhood of Clark-Street, but did not know him—I bought the goods of Harris.

Re-examined The police showed me some cretonne found at another stable; it was very similar to this—the shirting is the same but it looked wider.

JOHN WELLS . I am a corn dealer of 109, Sidney Street, Stepney—on March 5th I let a stable at the rear of my house to Castle, to stow wastepaper in—I took Sergeants Enwright and Godley there on March 8th.,

Cross-examined. There is waste-paper now in the stable.

JOHN CURLING . I am a cab-driver, of 10, Eldon Street, Spitalfields, and have a stable at the back of Nelson Street, next to Harris' stable—early in March my cab was outside his stable—he was sorting some rugs, and said "One of these rugs will suit your cab for a mat at the bottom"—I bought one for 5s.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I have had the stable four years, but Harris has only been there a very short time—he keeps a clothes' stall in Watney Street—he did not tell me he was selling the rugs on commission—another man, whom I have not seen since, was in the stable when I bought the rug—I cannot say if it was Goodson.

JOSEPH HELSON (Police Inspector J.) On the evening of March 8th I was with Enwright and Godley, and saw Harris in Isabella Street, Stepney—I said "We are police officers, making some inquiries about some skins and rugs that have been stolen; I have reason to believe you have some of them in your possession"—he said "No, I have not, I do not know anything about them"—I said "I shall have to search your place"—we walked to his house, 60, Clark Street; he opened the door and called to a girl "Bring down that rug"—she brought down the lined rug produced—I said "You have some more at your other premises"—he said "No, I have not, I have no other premises"—I said "I know you have a stable, and unless you take me there I shall take you there"—he then went with me to a stable in Nelson Street, unlocked the door, and a number of unlined skins were lying loose in the stable—I saw a package 3 ft. long and 2 ft. wide, and said "What does that contain?" he said "Good God, I don't know"—the top of it was pulled off, and it was full of skins—he said "I thought you meant how many; I knew there were skins there, but those goods do not belong to me, I am warehousing them for a man named Job Goodson"—I said—"They are found in your possession after you denied all knowledge of them, and you will accompany me to the police station"—Goodson was brought to the station by Sergeant Enwright, and I told him Harris was in custody for stealing the rugs, and he was warehousing them for him—Goodson said "I deny it, I don't know anything about them, it is not likely I should want him to keep them in his stable, I have a stable of my own"—Harris said what I said is quite true; and if you go to the landlord of the Sugar Loaf, Hanbury Street, Spitalfields, you will find that Goodson sold him three of the rugs yesterday"—I fetched the landlord, James Skill, who said

that it was untrue: he knew nothing about them, and had never seen either of them in his life—Harris said to Mr. Skill, "Don't you remember him coming into your house on Saturday night and having a conversation about these goods. "Skill said "I deny it"—soon after 1 a.m. on the 9th I went with the other officers to 103, Jubilee Street and saw Castle: I told him we were police officers, and his neighbour Mr. Harris and Goodson were in custody, charged with stealing a number of skins and I believed he had some in his possession; he said "No, I have not, "Isaid "I shall have to search your place"—he then went to a cupboard or table at the side of the room and produced one lined rug similar to these, and said "This is all I have, and this I got from Harris as a sample"—I said "I shall have to take you in custody, you must go to the station with me; there is some other property also in your stable which I shall have to ask you to account for"—he said "I have not got any other property; there are some sacks there; I don't know what they, contain, they belong to my brother in White Cross Street "Itook him to the station and pointed out to him five rolls of cretonne and 14 rolls of shirting; I said "I will send for your brother if you like"—he said "No, you need not do that, I will withdraw that observation"—I then charged him with the unlawful possession of the cretonne and shirting—I found 15 keys at his house in Jubilee Street; he said "They do not belong to me they belong to Goodson"—the larger portion were padlock keys—I found on Harris 13 pawn-tickets of 1st, 6th, and 7th March, each for a single pair of women's boots for 4s. and 4s. 6d. each—the cretonne and shirting brought to the station from Castle's stable was not damaged or soiled; a large portion of the shirting is still in the clean paper in which it was wrapped—Harris's stable was perfectly dry, there was nothing there which would damage those goods.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I went to Mr. Forbes in consequence of a telegram I found on Harris, and a postcard—I did not find on Harris an entry of Fisher's of the price of the cretonne; I did not search his house—I lave produced all the papers I found on Harris except one or two pawn-tickets; I read them all—there was not a paper with Mr. Fisher's name on it and the number of yards and the price £9 13s.—I made this note (produced) of the conversation with Harris, directly after the prisoners were charged—besides the skins in Harris's stable there were some sacks and some strips of what appeared to be Astrachan fur.

Re-examined Eleven pawnbrokers' assistant, are here with the goods to which these tickets refer.

PATRICK ENWRIGHT (Police Sergeant J). I was left in charge of the stable when Harris was taken to the station—about 12.30 I went with Godley to Castle's stable at the rear of 109, Sidney Street and found seven sacks containing 16 rolls of shirting, and five roll, of cretonne, concealed under three bales of waste paper—the prosecutor has identified, them—I found 90 skins at Harris' stable; 46 in three sacks, 44 in a wooden case, and one or two loose.

Cross-examined. I heard Harris say that Goodson had sold three skins to a publican—I knew Goodson before.

GEORGE GODLEY (Detective Sergeant). I found this boot (produced) at Harris' place, on a bed in the back room, on the night Harris was arrested—I showed it to Mr. Chambers.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. That was the only one I found.

WILLIAM CHAMBERS . I am in the service of Charles Chambers, a bootmaker, of 94, Crowder Street—on 27th February I left my van with 50 or 60 pairs of boots in it, in a box—I missed the whole box, and informed the police—this is one of the boots.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I packed the goods myself; they were finished except the bottoms; the heels and edges were not blackened—they were lined—they are stamped on the top piece and on the lining—those marks were only on that particular order—these nails are also a distinctive mark; the distance of them from the edge—I also know them by the kid—the stamp has been taken off the bottom—this sock has been put in since they were stolen.

Re-examined We do not send out any boots unless they are stamped at the toe—they had not been finished; we gave them out to be finished.

By the COURT. This was part of a special order; it was made up of kid of this quality—I have seen a number of boots produced by the pawnbrokers.

Witnesses for Harris.

WILLIAM STERN . I live at 7, Sidney Square, and have a little shop in Watney Street—Harris carried on business in the same street—I have only seen Goodson once; he was with Castle and Harris waiting for me, and Harris said "Goodson has got some skins for sale; do you know anybody who will buy them?"—I said "No," but I gave him an address in Church Lane, and said "If you go there you might find somebody to buy them"—on Saturday, 1st March, about 7 p.m., the three prisoners came together and asked if I could keep the skins in my shop till Monday—I said I had no place for them—they wanted me to come on Sunday morning, and said I should be the middle-man for selling them—they said they were at Harris' stable—I do not know where they were before that—Harris afterwards brought a sample—Mr. Knott was not mentioned.

JONATHAN DOWNS . I have been in Harris' employment two years—I saw one skin in prisoner's stable—I do not know who brought them there—I know Mr. Knott—Goodson did not tell me where the skins had been—I have seen him at Harris' stable—Harris did not tell me anything about the skins.

Cross-examined by MR. MEAD. I have pledged boots for Harris, but neither of these have tickets relating to them—I gave the tickets to Mrs. Harris; she gave me the boots to pawn.

Re-examined I have seen boots on Harris' stall; he has had them in the house for months—I heard in February that he was arranging to buy some salvage stock in Battersea, and I heard that some of the stock was pawned to raise money for that purpose.


CASTLE then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction at this Court in August, 1873. HARRIS— Fifteen Months' Hard Labour. CASTLE— Eighteen Months' Hard labour.

THIRD COURT.—Thursday, April 26th, 1888.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-458
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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458. ELIZABETH WILLIAMS (22) , Feloniously wounding Matilda Lacey, with intent to do her grievous bodily harm.

MR. HAGGARD Prosecuted.

MATILDA LACEY . I live at 6, Little Pearl Street, Spitalfields—one Sunday, about a month ago, about twenty minutes past 12 at night, I was with Harris and another witness whose name I don't know—I was bidding them good night when the prisoner came up and said "You are the little bleeder I want to see; take that"—she struck me in the face with her hand and walked away; two or three minutes afterwards she ripped me down the face with something in her hand—I said nothing—I went to Commercial Street Station and had the wound dressed at a quarter to 1 the same night—this is the scar of the wound—I had had a drop—I think the prisoner had had some—I wash, or scrub, or do anything—I am single.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not give you in custody on the Saturday night because I did not know what house you lived in till the Sunday morning—I knew you were living in the court opposite me—a woman who lived next door to me told me where you lived—I could not see what you had in your hand—I did not see a baby in your arms—you said to me "You have slept with my old man," when you struck me the first time with your hand.

By the COURT. I did not suffer very much pain—the wound was sewn up with six stitches—I went to the hospital and had the stitches taken out.

Re-examined I went to the station at once and informed the police of the offence.

By the JURY. I know nothing of sleeping with her man, I am innocent of it, I don't know what she means—she lives at Vine Yard—I had never had any words with her before—it was at twenty minutes past 12 at night on 1st April that it occurred, and I went to the station at a quarter to 1.

JOHN HARRIS . I live at 7, Crown Court, Spitalfields, and am a toy maker—on Saturday night, 1st April, I was standing outside the Prince of Wales with John Phillips and Lacey, about half-past 12; Lacey was bidding me good night when the prisoner came along and said "That is little Tilly; that is just the little bleeder I want to see," and she walked across and hit her with her fist, and then went away; she returned two or three minutes afterwards; I and my friend were then talking at the post, and we had our backs to her, and Matilda Lacey holloaed out "I am stabbed"—the prisoner said "That is for giving my old man 6s. to sleep with him"—I saw a wound on her face.

Cross-examined. I saw her face Was bleeding—I did not see you stab her—I did not tell the inspector at the station that I had gone home—I did not see the instrument, you went away too quickly.

By the JURY. I did not see a child in her arms—I daresay she had had a drop, I won't say she was quite sober, and the prosecutor was about the same—they might have had a little bit of a tussle before Lacey said she was stabbed, in between the two blows—they held up their hands and squared up to one another—Lacey did nothing, she did nothing after she was struck, only picked up her hat—they only had about one round—no crowd collected, no people were passing.

JOHN PHILLIPS . I live at 4, Pope's Head Court, Quaker Street, pitalfields—early one Sunday morning about a month ago, I was standing outside the Prince of Wales, between 20 minutes and half-past 12 with Harris and Lacey, when the prisoner came up and said "Halloa

Tilly, you are just the one I want"—I did not want to listen to the conversation, I was walking: up and down; I did not observe what took place—I saw Lacey was like falling on the pavement, and I held her from falling—I said to the prisoner "Don't hit her, she is drunk"—I did not see any blow struck—the prisoner went away and returned again in four or five minutes—I was talking to my friend, and Lacey said she had been stabbed—I did not see anything in the prisoner's hand—I did not think there would be any more quarrel—I did not take any notice for two or three minutes, and then I saw blood flowing from her face—the prisoner was talking to another woman then—I never heard any bad expression, nothing about the old man—they were both the worse for liquor.

PERCY JOHN CLARK . I am a surgeon, of 2, Spital Square—on Sunday, 1st April, I was called to the station about 1 a.m., where I saw the prosecutrix; she had an incised wound on the right cheek, extending outwards in a slanting direction—it was three-quarters of an inch in the deepest part, it gaped about three-quarters of an inch—I stitched it up—it could have been caused by some fairly sharp instrument—it might have been caused by an instrument of this description—these are blood-stains on this knife; I have examined it—I cannot say whether they are human or not—the wound is healed now; there will always be a scar, but it will not always be as prominent as it is now—I only saw her on the one occasion; my impression is, there were more than six stitches.

THOMAS MASON (Policeman H 186). About half-past 10 a.m. on let April I went with Constable Duke to 5, Vine Yard, Pearl-Street, and to the first-floor front room, where I saw the prisoner in bed—I searched the room and found this knife, shut, on the sideboard—I opened it and saw some mark on it that appeared to be blood—I said to the prisoner "How do you account for the knife being here?"—she said "I don't know, it does not belong to me"—nothing more was said in my hearing—I was there all the time Duke was; I was searching round the room to see if I could find any marks of the violence.

WALTER DUKE . I am a plain-clothes constable—on 1st April about half-past 10, I went with Mason to 5, Vine Yard, where I saw the prisoner in bed—I told her I was a police officer, and said "I shall take you into custody for stabbing Matilda Lacey early this morning"—she said "I will give it to her for this; I will make it hot for her"—she was taken to the station—Mason was searching the room at this time, I told him to do so—at the station the prisoner said something about "I did hit her, but not with the knife"—I saw Mason show her the knife; she said it was not her knife, she did not know how it came there—the knife was closed—there were other people in the house; the prisoner only occupies one room.

Prisoner's Defence. "I acknowledge hitting her with my fist, as to using the knife I did not."

GUILTY of unlawful wounding.— * Fifteen Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-459
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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459. CHARLES ANSON (21) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Mendal Levy, and stealing a clock.

MR. FOWKE Prosecuted.

BETSY LEVY (Interpreted). I live at Fairclough-Street, St. George's,

and am the wife of Mendal Levy—on 10th April, about 10 o'clock at night, my son made a communication to me—I then went in the street and saw the window was entirely open—I had shut the window in the morning, but had not fastened the hasp—when I got in the street, in consequence of what some children told me, I went to Batty's gardens, where I saw the prisoner detained by two officers, one of whom had my clock and the shade—I had seen the clock on the parlour mantelpiece in the morning—I had not been in the parlour the whole day—it is a living room there—the value of the clock is 30s.

JOHN VINER (Detective H). On 10th April, about 10 o'clock, I was standing with Detective Dolden, in Backchurch-Lane, close to Fairclough Street, and I saw the prisoner get out of the front-parlour window, ground floor, of 12, Fairclough Street—he appeared to have something under his arm—he crossed the street to another man, a tall one, and they both made off as quick as they could—we followed them into Batty's Gardens—we lost sight of the other man—I stopped the prisoner, and asked him what he had under his arm—he said "A gentleman gave me this clock to take it home for him"—he handed me the clock—I took it, and at that moment the last witness came up and identified it—I took the prisoner to the station and charged him.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I was 50 or 60 yards from you when I saw you coming out of the window—the window is 100 yards from Batty's Gardens—you ran as hard as you could—Fairclough Street runs out of Backchurch Lane, and I was standing at the junction of the streets, so that I could see right up the street.

CHARLES DOLDEN (Detective H). I heard Viner give his evidence; it is correct; I corroborate it—when the prisoner was detained in Batty's Gardens I pointed to white on his knees—I examined it; it was like hearthstone—I asked him how he accounted for it—he said "I was doing up my lace on a doorstep, and slipped and fell"—at the station I found on him a box of matches and a piece of candle—he gave a name and address.

GUILTY Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

The Court commended the conduct of the constables.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-460
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > hard labour

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460. WILLIAM GIBBONS (22) and FRANK ROBERTS (20) , Stealing a watch from the person of Herbert Williams. ROBERTS PLEADED GUILTY

MR. LYNE Prosecuted.

HERBERT WILLIAMS . I am a clerk, and reside at Woodlands, Haverstock Hill, Hampstead—on 27th March I was in Cullum-Street, a turning out of Leadenhall and Lime Streets—I was looking in a newspaper-shop window, between 2 and 3 o'clock—I looked down and saw my watch-chain hanging down and my watch gone—I seized Gibbons, who was standing on my left, and said "You have got my watch"—he said "I have not got your watch; you have made a mistake"—I asked some one in the crowd to fetch a constable—I saw no one go—I had hold of Gibbons all the time—I told him he would have to come to the police-station—he walked with me down Fenchurch Street—I held him all the time—I met two constables, and gave him into custody—I value the watch at about 3l.—this is it (produced)—several times Roberts came quite close to Gibbons while I was holding him—I saw Roberts hand the watch up at the station—it was not broken.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. When I accused you, you said "You hare made a mistake; you have got the wrong man"—you said you were willing to come to the station—I did not see you steal the watch—I accused you because you were standing on my left-hand side, the side of my watch-pocket, and I thought you were the most suspicious looking person—you were quite close to me, touching me—there was a small crowd there—no one else was as near me on that side—I did not notice about the other side.

By the JURY. I had not noticed him before he took the watch—I was looking in the shop about two minutes.

WILLIAM HENRY CANNON . I am a messenger, and live at 36, Moorgate Street—on 27th March, about 2 or 3 o'clock, I was coming by this newspaper-shop when I heard the prosecutor say he had lost his watch—I saw the two prisoners and a lad together—Gibbons was on the left-hand side of the prosecutor; Roberts was standing with his back against the shop window looking on when the prosecutor spoke about his watch—they were looking towards prosecutor, who was looking towards the shop—I went to Mark Lane and fetched two constables, and spoke to them—I saw Roberts begin to run away; I apprehended him, and the other constable got hold of him and took him to Seething Lane—I saw the two prisoners and another man talking together.

Cross-examined. You were facing the prosecutor—I could not see you take the watch.

Re-examined Roberts stood rather covering Gibbons from the prosecutor—Roberts and Gibbons were between the prosecutor and window at the time I saw him, after the watch had gone.

FREDERICK BROOKER (City Policeman 847). On 27th March, about 2.45 o'clock, I was in Fenchurch Street when Cannon came up and spoke to me—I went to the top of Mincing Lane, and saw the prosecutor holding Gibbons—he said "I charge this man with stealing my watch"—Gibbons said "I have not got his watch; search me"—I said "No, you will come to the station and then be charged"—as I was taking him away Cannon pointed out another man that was in his company—I told another constable to bring him to the station—when the prisoners were in the dock being charged the prosecutor said "I should like to have my watch," and Roberts took the watch from his right-hand side, and said "Here is the watch, my lord," meaning the inspector—Gibbons said to Roberts "I do not know this man; I never saw him before"—Roberts said "That is all right; I have not seen the man before"—I asked for their addresses—they both gave the same, 16, Thrall Street, Spitalfields—that is correct; it is a common lodging-house.

Gibbons in his defence said that although he lodged in the same house with Roberts, he did not know him.


GIBBONS then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony in December, 1885, in the name of William Charles.— Twenty Months' Hard Labour. ROBERTS— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-461
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > with recommendation
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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461. JOHN GABIN KETCHEN (32) , Feloniously forging and uttering a receipt for a pianoforte.

MR. C. F. GILL Prosecuted.

DANIEL ROBERT MILLER . I am a pawnbroker, of 27, High Street, Stoke Newington—on 13th August the prisoner came with a view of

borrowing money on a piano—I said I should want a receipt, showing it was his own piano and paid for—he produced this billhead of Mr. Grout. (This bore date 22nd April, and was a receipt for 25l. for a piano.) The number on the receipt agreed with that on the piano—I required him to make a declaration that he had the power to charge it, and that it was not charged in any way, that it was not on hire, and was absolutely his own property—my assistant wrote out the declaration, and the prisoner filled it in and signed it—I then advanced him 8l.—some time afterwards Mr. Grout came and claimed the piano, and I gave it up to him.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You left your card with the address, Brook Road—I was present when the loan was arranged—my assistant showed me that billhead, and he and I saw the piano—the pledge ticket was for three months—my assistant told me that at the end of the three months you called, and he asked you if you were going to renew it, and you asked that it might stand over a little while—I don't know if you wrote to my solicitor, saying you admitted the act, but denied the intention of defrauding; I have not seen the letter—I am paying the costs of the prosecution through the Protection Society—when Mr. Grout called on me I went and saw Mr. Attenborough, who told me not to give the piano up—your wife wrote and called on me three or four times—I did not tell her I had gone to see my solicitor—I did not say I was willing to take the money after hearing Mr. Attenborough's opinion—I wrote you that the best thing you could do was to take the money to Mr. Attenborough, and your wife called and asked if I would not prosecute if the money was paid, and I thought that the best thing to do—I had not been advised by my solicitor about that matter—the interest would be 2l. 10s.; that must have been for six months—the piano was pawned on 13th August.

Re-examined I charge so much a month for storing a piano.

ROBERT GROUT . I am a pianoforte dealer at Beulah Road, Waltham-stow—on 28th July I let this piano, 1,739, to the prisoner on this hiring contract, which is signed by him—the price of the piano was 24l., 1l. 10s. to be paid as a first instalment, and then 15s. a month—the first instalment was not paid at the time the agreement was made, but on 13th of August—this receipt does not emanate from my establishment; it is not my billhead, and is printed without my authority—I never had a billhead like it—this (another one) is the form of my billhead—the piano I afterwards got back from Mr. Miller.

Cross-examined. I don't know what time on 13th August the 30s. was paid—I did not see you—I did not get a message asking me not to expect the next payment punctually at the end of the next month—you paid me 1l. 7s. 6d. after that, and I called at the school, and said I would give you two receipts if you paid another half-crown, and you did it—after pledging the piano you paid me 3l.; that represented three instalments; the last two you paid on 31st October—these are the three receipts—I had a letter to the effect that your wife was giving lessons to pupils, and at that time the piano was in pawn—I believe before you got it you said you had friends coming up from Oxford, and you said you would pay the first instalment in a month or two, and being at Mr. Moore's school I thought you would act in an honourable way—I knew the parent of a boy you taught—you had been at the school about six or eight months—I

believe you were dismissed by Mr. Moore—I do not know you gave Mr. Powell two easy chairs in payment of his bill for clothes.

EDWARD HERNE (Police Sergeant N). On 21st March, about 8 p.m., I arrested the prisoner on a warrant—I told him he would be charged with obtaining 8l. from Mr. Miller with intent to defraud—he replied "Quite true; I know I was wrong in that matter"—that is the only statement he made. (Two lettters, at the prisoner's request, were read, from the prisoner to Mr. Attenborough. In the first he said he desired, if possible, to atone for his action towards Mr. Miller, and that he intended to plead

GUILTY to the charge; but that he never had the intention of wronging him, and that when he was free he should, little by little, repay the amount of the loan; that he had not earned a penny since November, although he had tried hard, and that if it had not been for the kindness of old fellow-students, he would have wanted for food. In the second he said he intended to redeem the instrument, and that he hoped to have obtained a loan from his mother-in-law at Christmas, but that she being ill did not visit them as usual.

GUILTY Strongly recommended to mercy by the Jury.— Four Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-462
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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462. WILLIAM BARRY (19) , Robbery with violence, together with persons unknown, on George Hardy, and stealing his watch, chain, and seal.

MR. PAYNE Prosecuted. GEORGE HARDY. I am a baker, and live at 13, Rising Hill-Street, Islington—on Saturday, 16th April, about a quarter past 10 I was walking through Bernard-Street, Islington, with a lady, and I was suddenly pounced on by the prisoner and others, and my watch and chain were taken from me, and the person that took them rushed away with his head down—I was suddenly seized by a hand in front of my face, and violently tripped up by the prisoner and thrown back, and my umbrella was broken in the fall—I was held on the ground, I could not say by whom—I called out "Stop thief," the police came up, and the prisoner was taken.

Cross-examined. You tripped me up—I did not see the man that stole my watch and chain; you were with him; you prevented me from catching him—I cannot say how many others there were—I had not been drinking—I could not say who had hold of my mouth.

ANNIE JONES . I am single, and live at 13, Rising Hill Street, Islington—on this night I was walking with Mr. Hardy in Bernard Street, when I saw a man rush and take the watch from Mr. Hardy's pocket, the man bent forward—Mr. Hardy went to rush after the thief, and the prisoner tripped him up, and another man came behind and took hold of his feet when he was down, and the prisoner put his hand over Mr. Hardy's mouth—when Mr. Hardy got up he called out "Stop thief," and the detective came, and the prisoner tripped him up when he was going to take him—I saw the prisoner rush towards Mr. Hardy to trip him up the moment the watch was taken.

Cross-examined. I did not see you come from the public-house—the detective went after you; the thief went the contrary way.

By the Court. I did not see the man that got the watch: the prisoner came from where the thief came from, from the corner of the street.

THOMAS LYE (Policeman N 373). On this night I was in plain clothes in this street—I heard a shout of "Stop thief," from the direction of Park field Street—I had just turned the top of King Edward Street and saw a man running up towards me—when he got close to me I attempted to stop him, he turned short round and ran down King Edward Street in the direction he had come—I pursued him—I got within 6 yards of him, when the prisoner put out his right foot and tripped me up, sending me head first along the path—I went back and took the prisoner into custody—the prosecutor then came up and said "This is one of them; that is the man that threw me down—the prisoner made no reply—I took him to the station—he made no reply to the charge—another policeman followed the man who had the watch and chain, but lost him in Chapel Street in a crowd of people.

The prisoner in his defence denied all knowledge of the man who stole the watch, and said he was standing there when the constable was thrown down.


He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony in January, 1888.— Six Months' Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.—Friday, April 27th, 1888, and three following days.

Before Mr. Justice Smith.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-463
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-464
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment > penal servitude

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464. CHARLES ALFRED HART BURLEIGH was again indicted with FRANCIS GEORGE WIDDOWS (38) , for unlawfully committing acts of gross indecency with various persons.

MR. C. MATHEWS and MR.GOODRICH Prosecuted; MR. HARRIS, Q.C., with MR. BESLEY, appeared for Widdows; Burleigh defended himself.

GUILTY Previous convictions of like offences were proved against each of the prisoners.

BURLEIGH was sentenced to Penal Servitude for Life on the first indictment, and Ten Years' Penal Servitude (concurrent) on the second, and WIDDOWS to Ten Years' Penal Servitude.

NEW COURT.—Friday, April 27th, 1888.

Before Mr. Recorder.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-465
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentencesImprisonment > penal servitude; Miscellaneous > fine

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465. HENRY NORRIS, alias BEAUCHAMP , PLEADED GUILTY to stealing jewellery, value 719l. 10s., the property of Francis Thompson; also to stealing an overcoat and other articles of Sidney Hunt . He was further charged with two previous convictions of felony at Croydon in August, 1859, and at Dublin in August 1865, to which he pleaded


MR. MEAD Prosecuted; MR. BESLEY Defended.

BARTHOLOMEW POWER . I am a prison warder at Spike Island, Ireland—the prisoner was in my custody there in 1870—this is the certificate of

his conviction (produced); he was sentenced totwenty years' penal servitude for forging post-office orders.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. I was not present at his trial—I never saw this certificate till it was given to me to bring over—I knew the charge on which he was convicted in 1865 from the books, but I never saw him till 1870—this (produced) is his photograph in 1881, when he was discharged.

Re-examined I first saw him in 1870; he was then a convict at Spike Island prison under my supervision till 1881, when he was discharged on license—I knew him as John Vanderstein, and this is the photograph of the man I had in my charge.

WILLIAM SMEE (Police Sergeant G. P. O.) In 1865 I was present at the prisoner's trial in Dublin, with two others, for forging and uttering money orders—he was convicted and sentenced totwenty years' penal servitude.

Cross-examined. I had not seen the three men before they were con-victed; and I did not see the prisoner afterwards for twenty-three years, not till I saw him in London in 1886.

Re-examined The trial lasted a day and a half, and I was in Court all the time—I was not a witness, I was sent for a special purpose—he was tried as Vanderstein, alias Norris—the prisoner is the man. (Upon MR. MEAD asking, whether the prisoner was charged at Dublin in 1865 with a previous conviction at Croydon,MR. BESLEY objected, contending that the only evidence that could be given would be that of some person who was present in 1865, upon which MR. MEAD did not press the question.)

GUILTY of the conviction in Dublin, and

NOT GUILTY of the conviction at Croydon.— Ten Years' Penal Servitude , and to pay 100l. to the representatives of Francis Thompson. The Grand Jury commended the conduct of the Police, in which the Court concurred.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-466
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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466. FRANCIS KENELM BOUVERIE , Unlawfully obtaining 400l. from Joseph Brown by false pretences with intent to defraud.

MR. BESLEY, for the Prosecution, offered no evidence.


23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-467
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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467. MINNIE LEE (19) , Unlawfully detaining Florence Reed, aged 15 years, and procuring her to have carnal connection with a man.

MESSRS. FULTON and MUIR Prosecuted; MR. GILL Defended.


THIRD COURT.—Friday, April 27th, 1888.

Before Mr. Common Sergeant.

For Cases tried in this Court this day see Kent and Surrey Cases.

NEW COURT.—Saturday, April 28th, 1888.

Before Mr. Recorder.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-468
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentencesImprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > penal servitude

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468. ARTHUR HAZLETON (21) , Stealing a ring and other articles the property of Ferdinand Chamberlain , and >MARY ANN JONES (38), feloniously receiving the same, to which


MESSRS. MEAD and BODKIN Prosecuted; MR. FRITH Defended.

BLANCHE CHAMBERLAIN . I was staying at 150, Cromwell Road, in February, with my sister Ferdinand; we occupied together a room on the third-floor, and on February 27th there was a large quantity of jewellery there belonging to us—about 9 a.m. on that day I went to our bedroom and missed some jewellery; a constable was sent for, and I missed a silver-gilt Norwegian ring, a gold ring, a cat's-eye, some earrings, a Norwegian brooch, a gold watch, and other articles, value about 150l., some of which were my sister's and some mine—I also missed these articles (produced), a scent-bottle, a brooch, a double pair of gold earrings, and a garnet ring.

LUCY SUSAN ROBSON . I am the wife of James Emmett Bobson, and have a private boarding-house at 150, Cromwell Road—on 25th February about 6 p.m., the prisoner Hazleton took No. 4 room—he brought a black bag and gave his card, "Mr. F. E. Hastings, Burleigh Grange, Kent," with a reference at the back, a solicitor's name; the room he had was next to Captain Chamberlain's; he slept there on February 25th and 26th, Monday, when he said his friends would be angry if he did not go to them, and he paid his bill and left with his bag—Miss Blanche Chamberlain then went upstairs, and came down and complained to me—I sent for a policeman and went to her bedroom, and found the empty jewel-cases.

FREDERICK CHURCH (Police Sergeant B). On 2nd March I received information, and at 11 p.m. I went to Kensington Gardens Station and saw Hazleton; he walked from the station to 18, Cromwell Place, and after stopping opposite the house he moved off and stopped outside a public-house—I took him into custody for a robbery at 1, Montpellier Square—I took him to 18, Cromwell Place; we had a struggle on the door-step; he threw me on the ground and got away—I cried "Police!" and Police Sergeant Kenna came from No. 18 and followed him.

JAMES PRIOR . I am a cabman—on 2nd March at 11.30 I was on the rank in Carlisle Square—Hazleton came to me without his hat; I drove him, and he got out in North Street, Edgware Road—he walked down North Street and I lost sight of him.

JAMES COOPER . I am a labourer, of 96, Salisbury-Street, Edgware Road, which runs out of North Street—the prisoner Jones has lived two or three years in the parlours of that house as Mrs. Clarke; she has a mangle—I saw Hazleton there five or six weeks before Christmas and since Christmas; he helped Mrs. Clarke in mangling—he was not dressed as a labourer as he is now, but as a gentleman.

Cross-examined. Mrs. Clarke appeared a poor, hard-working woman—she never told me who Hazleton was—I don't remember her saying that he was a gentleman with means, who had been kind to her.

JOSEPH KENNA (Police Sergeant V). On 2nd March, at 11.10 p.m., I was with Sergeant Church, inside 18, Cromwell Place—I heard a cry of "Police," came out and spoke to Church, and saw Hazleton running—he had dust on his back, as if he had been on the ground—I went back to 18, Cromwell Place, and searched some rooms which Miss Denning

showed me—on March 5th I went to the Metropolitan Music Hall, and saw the two prisoners sitting together in the stalls in conversation—the piece being played was "The Hotel Thief"—I sat there an hour watching them—I then took Hazleton in custody, and Sergeant Record took Jones—Hazleton tried to escape—Jones refused to give her address at the station—I went next day with Sergeant Bonner to 92, Salisbury Street, and found in the parlours five brooches, a buckle, a pair of earrings, and a garnet earring, which Miss Chamberlain has identified, a silver watch, and a pearl brooch, identified by Miss Rebbick, an electroplated jug, and a brooch, identified by Miss Denning, a sealskin tippet, identified by Mrs. Oswin, and a horseshoe brooch, identified by Mrs. Catmul—I also found a large number of articles of jewellery which have not been identified, and these two letters (produced) in a chest of drawers.

WILLIAM RECORD (Police Sergeant D). At 8 p.m. on 5th March, I was at the Metropolitan Music Hall, and saw the two prisoners together in the stalls—about 10 o'clock Sergeant Cluny spoke to Hazleton and I spoke to Jones—I said "Will you kindly, Madam, come outside; I am a police officer, and I wish to speak to you respecting the man who has I just been taken out by Detective Kenna"—she said "I know nothing about him"—she was sitting on a man's overcoat and gloves, and I said "Do these belong to him?" and she said "Yes"—with a little persuasion I got her outside, and she said "I don't know what you want me for"—I said "You will have to come to the station, as I saw you in conversation with that man"—we followed Kenna and Hazleton, and I saw a struggle between them—crossing Paddington Green, Hazleton's hat came off, and I stooped down to pick it up, and Jones darted away round the green—I heard something fall on the pavement, and picked up this Norwegian brooch, and caught her, and said "This is what you have been wearing"—she said "No"—we took both prisoners to the station, where I told the inspector about the brooch, and Jones said "That is all I had off him"—she declined several times to give her name and address—she pulled off another brooch at the station from inside her jacket and gave it to Inspector Smith—that was not identified—next morning she gave her name, Mary Ann Jones, but she has never given any address.

Cross-examined. She said at Bolton Street Station that she lived in the Old Kent-Road, either St. George's or St. Thomas's Road, but she would not give any number, and I did not go there

EDWARD BORUN (Police Inspector B). The prisoners were taken in custody by my direction at the Metropolitan Music Hall—Sergeant Record handed me this brooch at the station, and said that Jones threw it away—she said "I did not throw it away; I met the young man in the Edgware Road; I had been to Kilburn to see some friends; he asked me to go to the music hall, and on the way he gave me the brooch to fasten my jacket;. that is all I know about him"—at Bolton Street Police-station the female searcher searched Jones and gave me this gold watch and a jet chain which is not identified—the watch is Miss Chamberlain's—Jones said "It is my own watch"—I took from her at the police-court a muff-bag and a mantle identified by Mrs. Catmul, and a polonaise or skirt identified by Mrs. Oswin, who saw her wearing it there.

BLANCHE CHAMBERLAIN (Re-examined). I bought this brooch in Norway.

JANS CUTMUL . I am the wife of Joseph Cutmul—we keep the Upton Hotel. Bexley Heath—on 30th November Hazleton stopped there and brought a black bag—he occupied a room adjoining mine, and left next morning about 9.15 o'clock without breakfast—I went to my room about 11.30 o'clock, and missed this mantle and a muff-bag (produced), and from other rooms property amounting to 30l.—on 21st March the inspector showed me the mantle at the police-court.

JESSIE OSWIN . I am the wife of Arthur Oswin—we keep a private hotel, at 35, Strand—Hazleton stopped there on January 16th, and had No. 9 room, which is near No. 14, where there was a seal-skin tippet and a polonaise of mine, value 50s.—he brought a black bag with him, and left next morning without breakfast—the prisoner Jones was wearing the polonaise and skirt at the police-court—these are they (produced).

LOUISA REBBECK . On 20th January I was a servant at the Albion Coffee-house, Blackfriars Road—Hazleton slept there that night, and brought a black bag with him—he left at 8.30 o'clock next morning, without breakfast, with his bag—my bedroom was opposite his—I went there that evening at 7 o'clock and missed a silver watch, a pearl brooch, and other articles of jewellery, value 10l., and 7s. in silver, which were safe when I left my room at 5.30 a.m.—this is my watch (produced)—my name was scratched on it; it has been scratched out and, "Pink, 1887," has been put in.

EMMA DENNING . I keep a private boarding-house, at 78, Grosvenor I Street—on 9th February Hazleton came with a black bag and engaged a bedroom on the third floor—just before that Miss Edith Sodden had been married from the house; her wedding presents were there, and her luggage was in my charge—among the presents was an electro-plated jug, and two gold brooches; they were in a wardrobe in the room next to that which Hazleton had—he left with his bag the middle of the next day, and I missed two brooches, a cream jug, my gold watch, some spoons, and other articles, value 6l.

HENRY PHILLIPS (Police Sergeant R). In April, 1880, I went to Mrs. Clark's, Richmond Street, Edgeware-Road, and saw a woman who I have a strong belief was Jones—I went there as the prisoner Hazleton was then in custody on remand as Albert Leslie Barton—I said "What do you know about the man who is in custody as Holmes Granger?"—she said "I only know him by doing some washing for him.

RICHARD HUMPHREYS . I am a warder at Pentonville prison—I was present on 26th May, 1886, at Lewes, when Hazleton was convicted as Albert Leslie Barton, and sentenced toeighteen months' hard labour, after a previous conviction in 1884, at Middlesex Sessions, for hotel robberies or lodging houses—I was present at that conviction—his first conviction in 1884 was in the name of Holmes Granger—these two letters are written on paper issued from Clerkenwell Prison—it is a rule to initial prisoners' letters before they are sent away,' and these are initialed W. K., which is "William Keeley, the warder. (The first letter was to Mr. Morton, dated Afrit 13, 1886, requesting him to forward from, Mrs. Spinks, 92, Salisbury Street, Maida Vale, some clean linen, as he had to appear at Woolwich Police Court on Saturday. Signed A. L. Barton.)

Witness for the Defence.

ARTHUR HAZLETON (the Prisoner). I have pleaded

GUILTY to this indictment—I gave this property to Jones, it was useless to me; it was of trifling value, and the watch was broken when I gave it to her—I have known her a few years; she was under the impression that I was a clerk—she has a crippled daughter—she never knew that I was concerned in these robberies—I told her my father was dead and that I had a mother—she is a poor, hard-working woman, and I have helped her with money.

Cross-examined by MR. MEAD. My name is not Hazleton; I decline to say whether it is Granger or Barton—I have known Jones three years, probably more—I was convicted at Middlesex Sessions of stealing property from hotels, I pleaded

GUILTY and had 18 months—I knew Jones then as Clark—I met her under the name of Merton; I also knew her as Spinks—I don't think she wrote to me when I was in prison in 1884—this is my letter to her; I did not see her in Court when I pleaded

GUILTY in 1884—I saw her when I came out before I was convicted at Lewes in 1886; I sent her my linen as I did before.

JONES— GUILTY Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

HAZLETON then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction at Lewes in May, 1886, in the name of Arthur Leslie Barton— Ten Years' Penal Servitude.

The RECOEDER commended the conduct of the police.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-469
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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469. ADOLPH HENRY CHAMBERLAIN , Unlawfully obtaining credit, he being an undischarged bankrupt.

MR. BESLEY Prosecuted; MGEOGHEGAN Defended.

MR. L'ENFANT. I produce the file in the prisoner's bankruptcy—the adjudication is dated 7th August, 1885—in June, 1886, there was a default in filing accounts, and the examination was adjourned sine die—he was an undischarged bankrupt on 15th October, 1887.

GEORGE JOHN FULLER . I am a surveyor, of 85, George Street—prior to October, 1885, I occupied a flat consisting of six rooms, at 4, Museum Chambers, which I wanted to dispose of with the furniture—on 14th October the prisoner called on me there about taking the rooms furnished, and a valuer was called in—he said he was in a good way of business in theatrical printing—I pointed out a few trifling articles which I would not sell, which were not put in the inventory—I saw him again the next morning, and 220l. was agreed upon as the price at which the goods should be sold—I wrote out these two papers produced)—he signed one, and I the other. (Agreeing to buy the furniture for 220l., 30l. to be paid down, and the rest by monthly instalments in advance). He also gave me the acceptance—his brother Mr. Cannot was with him and read both papers, and suggested a discount of 71/2 for cash, and five or six minutes after the first paper was written, this was written: "Dear Sir,—I agree to your terms, and provided you pay me the balance next week, instead of by instalments, I will allow you 71/2 discount"—they left me after those papers were signed—I had communicated with Mr. Claxton, my solicitor, who came to me later in the day, and we went to the Holborn Restaurant and lunched with Mr. and Mrs. Chamberlain and Mr. Claxton—35l. had been paid then in coin and notes, but I gave no receipt—another brother of Mr. Cannot was there—I left the matter to Mr. Claxton, and it was agreed that he was to draw up a hiring agreement

Mrs. Chamberlain's name to be signed by her—her name was introduced first at the Holborn—on 9th October I received this letter from Mr. Chamberlain, enclosing one from his brother, and on 22nd October this letter from Mr. Chamberlain, saying "I am not inclined to advise my wife to sign a hiring agreement, or to be a party to a bill of sale"—I also received this other letter from him; I stamped it, November 9th, when I received it. (This proposed that Mrs.Chamberlain should sign a hiring agreement paying 10l. a month, the 35l. already paid to be counted as part of the instalments.) On 15th November a cheque for 18l. was sent me in accordance with that arrangement, and on 16th December I received this letter from Chamberlain in answer to mine asking for 15l. due for hire of furniture—he says in that letter that he owed nothing for hire—I then wrote "Please and 15l. for rent due, or I shall be compelled to write to my solicitor"—I than got this letter of December 19th: "I am surprised at your writing as you have; I do not owe you any rent; I certainly owe you an instalment on purchase of the furniture, as that furniture was undoubtedly purchased by me; if you are inclined to accept a lump sum let us settle the matter, and I will try and meet you"—on 22nd December my solicitor sent me a copy of this letter. (From to prisoner, stating that he was willing to give Mr. Fuller 150l. in full discharge.) I got nothing in respect of the December 15l.—on 14th January I wrote to the prisoner: "I beg to remaind you that the instalment of 15l. is due, and unless the same is paid by Monday I shall place the matter in the hands of my solicitor"—he sent me this reply next day: "I have received your letter of 14th January threatening proceedings even before the money is due. This is the second time you have done this. I have given Mrs. Chamberlian you letter, and have advised her not to pay more till you send a proper receipt"—on 25th January I got this letter from Hill and Co., the prisoner's solicitors. (Stating that they would send to the witness's office, 2, Gresham Street, and tender 15l. purchase-money for furniture, and would require receipt for 65l. on account of purchase-money). I then got this letter (From Hill and Co., stating that they had been unable to see the witness, and could not attend again). My solicitors then took out process in the Country Court—these are the particulars of the action produced)—the defendant gave evidence, and stated that he was an undischarged bankrupt, which I had not heard till that moment—I produce the judgment of the County Court. (Judgement given for plaintiff for 15l.) On 17th February I swore an information at Bow Street, and a summons was granted returnable on the 24th, and on the 23rd Mrs. Chamberlain came to the office and paid one of my clerks 180l. in gold—I gave no receipt for that, I told my solicitor, and I did not attend at Bow Street on 24th—I was required to attend there on March 17th, which I did, and the defendant was here—there was another hearing on March 24th, and again on the 31st, and the matter was sent for trial.

Cross-examined. In my letter to Chamberlain I alluded to the agreement for hire and purchase, and he said that it was an absoluted purchase—Mr. Flagg was my solicitor at the County Court—I sued for hire and purchase, and recovered Judgment—I saw him at 11 o'clock on October 15, and I saw Mr. and Mrs. Chamberlain at 2 o'clock the same day—possession of the furniture was taken after the lunch at the Holborn at 3 o'clock, and at the lunch my solicitor suggested that hire and?

purchase agreement should be drawn up—I swore at the police-court "The hiring agreement was with Mrs. Chamberlain; when she refused to sign the agreement I considered I had sold to the defendant"—I understood that Mrs. Chamberlain was the person I was to look to—I knew that she was an actress at Winchester, and in the receipt of a very good salary—my solicitor produced this book at the Holborn—it is his writing—he read out to me "May Chamberlain, Museum Chambers, or Cannot"—in addition to the furniture, the arrangement was for a leasehold interest in the premises—I make no allusion to that in these letters—there is a condition that the contract is not absolutely certain because of some rebate which I allow—I do not know by whom the 35l. was paid—the instalments of 65l. were paid by cheque, signed by Mr. Hill, of Chancery Lane—I did not know at that time that he was Mrs. Chamberlain's solicitor.

Re-examined. I have said the bargain was made with the defendant, but the hiring agreement was to be with Mrs. Chamberlain—the bargain was made on 15th October—he had told me of his good position on the 14th.

The RECORDER considered that there was no binding agreement.


THIRD COURT.—Saturday, April 28th, 1888.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-470
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Not Guilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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470. SAMUEL LONG (56), CHARLES HUBBARD (38), GEORGE BUTLER (the elder), and GEORGE BUTLER (the younger), Unlawfully conspiring together, and with other persons unknown, to obtain and obtaining by false pretences from John Richard Allen, his goods; and goods from other persons with intent to defraud.


MR. MEAD Prosecuted; MR. HUTTON Defended Hubbard,MESSRS. BESLEY and A. GILL Defended the two Butlers.

JOHN RICHARD ALLEN . I live at Shepton Mallett, Somersetshire, and am a corn and cheesefactor there, in partnership with three other gentlemen—I received this letter, signed G. Mortimer. (This was dated from 127, Fulham Palace Road, and stated that they were in want of prime ripe cheese, and had taken his name as maker, and requested particulars and price, as they wanted supply for 10 shops). I replied in a letter dated 14th March, addressed to G. Mortimer, 127, Fulham Palace Road—it was written by one of my partners with my consent—the letter was copied in our press copy letter-book, this is a copy. (This letter contained particulars of cheeses and prices.) I then received this reply. (Ordering cheeses to be sent to order to Paddington, for their vans to collect and deliver at nine shops. This letter added that any leading London house would answer inquiries, or they could be made through the bankers). We inquired through our county bankers, and they reported favourably, and I sent those goods—this is a copy of the invoice which I sent to G. Mortimer, 127, Fulham Palace Road—I advised where and when they were sent, the amount is 61l. 10s. 11d., the date 20th March—then I received this, of 22nd March. (Saying they had sent back 18 baskets, carriage paid, ordering more cheeses as per sample, and stating the only days they attended at 27, Fulham Palace Road, were on their

settling days, from 10th to 14th of each month). We received the baskets, the first lot were all cheeses—when I sent those first cheeses, I believed business was carried on at all those places, including the Fulham Palace Road, and that it was a good and genuine business, and I believed I was communicating with G. Mortimer, or a person who had a right to use that name, and that the bankers were Williams, Deacon and Co.—I sent some more goods on 23rd March—this is a copy of the invoice. (This was for 48l. 2s. 7d., for 22 cheeses sent to order to Paddington, less 1l. 2s. for 22 baskets). The price of the cheeses alone was 47l. 14s. 7d. and the price of the baskets makes it 48l. 2s. 7d.—I did not receive back the baskets of that order—I sent a third lot of Roods—I sent samples in the first order, then an order was given, and this was part of that order—before I sent the third lot, I received this telegram of 29th March. (Requesting him to send 45 diamond cheeses). On 30th March I received this letter, dated 29th. (Stating that the 145 diamonds could be sent at once, and asking for the three accounts to be sent not later than the 7th). This is a copy of the invoice of the third lot. (The amount of this invoice was 104l. 6s. 2d. for 45 cheeses). I did not get the last baskets back—there was always an addressed envelope sent in the letters for me to send my communications to Mortimer I believe—I have never received any payment for those goods—in all cases the same inducements operated on my mind.

ALFRED COOPER WOODWARD . I am principal clerk in the Telegraph Department of the General Post Office, and I am custodian of telegrams—I produce this original telegram. (This was handed in at Walham Green; the name and address of the sender were George Mortimer, 127, Fulham Palace-Road, and the telegram asked them to send the 45 diamond cheeses to him).

Cross-examined by MR. HUTTON. I don't know who handed in the telegram.

JOSEPH PATRICK O'DONOGHUE . I am cashier in the Goods Department of the Great Western Railway at Paddington—on 20th March I received 18 baskets of cheese from Shepton Mallet—I issued this delivery order on 21st—the things arrived on 21st, they left Shepton Mallett on 20th—this document led to my issuing the delivery oraer—they were lying to the consignee's order—he would bring an order, on which I issue mine authorising my subordinates to part with the goods. (This order requested them to deliver the 18 baskets of cheese from Shepton Mallet to order, and was signed G. Mortimer). I call my order the warehouse delivery note—it gave the particulars of the 18 baskets of cheese, the name and address of the consignee, G. Mortimer, 127, Fulham Palace Road, and then it is signed "S. Long"—I can identify the man who brought the order, it is the man Long—this is a similar order given by me on the 24th, on this consignee's order being brought to me. (This requested delivery to the bearer of 22 baskets of cheese, and was signed G. Mortimer). Long brought that, and to him I gave this warehouse delivery note.

JAMES TRIDGELL . I am porter at the Great Western Goods Station, Paddington—on 20th March I delivered goods, on receiving this order, to Long into a van; he signed it in my presence—some one was with him; I don't identify that man—on 23rd March I delivered goods, to which this order refers, to Long, who brought it; he signed—I delivered the goods, 23 baskets of cheese, to which this warehouse delivery order of

29th March refers, on 3rd April, about 10.30, to Long, who brought it; he signed—younger Butler was with him; a van and a cart were brought—some of the cheeses were loaded into each vehicle—the cart was in Long's charge and the van in Butler's.

Cross-examined by MR. GILL. This was on 3rd April, I believe; it was about 11 o'clock—that was the only occasion I saw the boy Butler—he appeared to be looking after the van—I took the cheeses to the cart—Long took them from me, and put them both into the cart and van—I don't think young Butler assisted at all; he was looking after the horses—I saw Long take the labels off as each basket was taken to the cart and van as he took them from me—I did not mention that before the Magistrate, but I heard the officer say it. JOHN HEWLETT. I am a clerk in the Great Western Goods Department at Paddington—on 3rd April Long brought this order—on seeing it I issued this order—Mortimer's order is dated April 3rd—at the time that order was presented it merely bore the signature of Mortimer, and I asked for Mortimer's address—he gave me the address, 127, Fulham Palace Road, which I wrote on it, and he signed it "S. Long, for G. Mortimer"—I then asked him, after finding the entry in my books, whose van he had; he said he had Mortimer's own van—I then issued this warehouse delivery note—the date, 29-3, is the date of entry—they were despatched on the 28th, and arrived on the 29th.

Cross-examined by MR. GILL. On April 3rd Long came in alone—I did not see the boy Butler at all—he did not hear a word of the conversation about Mortimer.

By the JURY. I did not see the van; it would be outside the office—I asked the address because it is usual to take the address if it is not given—I thought it was incomplete, there being no address.

WILLIAM DAVID BASON . I am a provision merchant at 25, Victoria Street, Wolverhampton—on 14th March I received this letter, and with it this handbill. (The letter requested him to forward prices of cheeses. Thehanbill was an advertisement of Mortimer's stores.) An envelope, addressed to Mr. G. Mortimer, 127, Fulham Palace Road, was inserted in the letter—I replied to that letter to that address—I did not take a copy of the letter—it was to the effect that we could supply the Stiltons, and I offered two or three dozens of them at 1s. per pound—I received this letter CX—another envelope was enclosed. (This was dated 17th March, saying he should like half-a-dozen dairy cheeses for each shop, by Midland Railway.) I made inquiries, not of my bankers—I wrote to Messrs. Crosse and Black well, giving them the full name and address that was on the handbill—on March 22nd I sent 60 Stilton cheeses, of the value of 36l. 16s.—this is a copy of the invoice—the hampers were not sent back—I then received a letter (Saying that Five hampers were returned per Midland, carriage paid.) I never got those—then I sent this statement of account on April 9th—I did not use his envelope; that is mine—when I delivered the goods I considered I was trading with George Mortimer, a good man, and I believed the man I was trading with had all those places of business mentioned on his form, and that he was carrying on a good and genuine business at those places—I saw the remnant of my cheeses, 50 out of 60, in the possession of the police on Thursday week last, at Fulham.

JAMES BURTON . I am delivery clerk at the Midland Goods Station.

St. Pancras—on 23rd March I received five hampers of cheeses from Wolverhampton—On the same day Long called and brought me this paper. (se deliver to bearer five hampers of Cheese, G Mortimer.) On that I gave directions to the porter, Weston, to deliver the goods referred to in that order to Long.

ALFRED WESTON I am goods porter at St. Pancras Station—on 23rd March I saw Long at the goods station, St. Pancras, and in Consequence of instruction given me by Mr. burton I delivered five hampers to Long—he brought me this document HX—he signed this book in my presence; it is for the five hampers referred to in the order—there was a van; Long was driving it—I did not notice any name on it—no one was with him.

GEORGE MORTIMER I live Faulham—I am a grocer and wine merchant—my principal place of business is Hilton Terrace, Munster Park, Fulham—I have other establishments at Richmond Road, West Brompton, West Kensington, South Kensington, North End Road, and Fulham Road—my bankers are Williams, Deacon, and Co—I have no place of business at 127, Fulham Palace Road—none of the prisoners have been suthorised to trade on my behalf; I do not know them—I never saw any of them before they were at the police-court—the letters written to Bason and Allen were not written by me or with my authority—I know nothing of these printed headings; they were not printed by me—this handbill has been cut out of my price list; I distribute 4,000 of them once a quarter—neither of these four delivery orders signed "G. Mortimer" are signed by me or with my authority.

JOHN JOSEPH WHITTINGTON . I keep a stationer's shop at 127, Fulham Palace Road—it is not a grocer's shop nor grocery stores—Mr. Mortimer does not carry on business there—I know Hubbard by his coming for letters; he arranges with my sister-in-law to take them in—he has called from time to time for letters in the name of George Mortimer; that was from the beginning of March—two letters arrived, which I gave to the police in April.

Cross-examined by MR. HUTTON. I allow persons to have letters sent there if they make previous arrangements with me—Hubbard called first at the beginning of March—he gave the name of G. Mortimer, and when letters came in that name they were given to him—I have given letters myself to him.

JOSEPH SAMMERS (Police Sergeant T) On Easter Monday, 2nd April, I was with another officer, Beard, at the Paddington Goods Station—on the Tuesday, 3rd April, about 10. 30 o'clock, I saw Long drive up to the goods station with a horse and cart—no name was on the cart—the younger Butler was driving a one-horse van with no name on it—Long went away for a short time; he came back with a paper in his had; I then saw the porter Tredgill deliver to him twenty-three baskets containing cheese; seven were put into the cart, and the other sixteen were put into the van, Long pulling the label off each basket as they were handed to him—they had G. M. marked on them—they left the station with the two loads and went to the Red Lion public-house, where they were met by Hubbard—they went into the public-house to have something to drink—Hubbard took some papers out of his pocket and spoke to Long—one basket was taken from the van and put on to the cart—the younger Butler drove the van away towards Bishop's

Road, followed by the horse and cart with Long and Hubbard, till they arrived at the corner of Westbourne Grove and Queen's Road—the younger Butler went with the van up Queen's Road, and I directed Beard to follow them—I was in plain clothes—I followed Long and Hubbard to the Portland Arms—they went in and stopped several minutes—they came out and put a small deal box on the top load of cheese—Long got up and drove away, Hubbard walked behind—Long drove to 66, Uxbridge Road, to James's, a butcher and provision dealer's—Long had a conversation with a man there and left—he came back to Uxbridge Road Railway Station, where Hubbard met him—they had a conversation together—Hubbard got in a hansom cab and drove down Holland Road—Long then walked about and, took the horse's nose-bag and got some corn at a corn-chandler's close by—then he went to the Telegraph public-house, where Hubbard returned in the same cab He had gone away in—the two prisoners and the cabman went inside the private bar—I went in and told them I was a police officer; I asked them if they could account for the cheese they had got in the cart outside, or if they had got any invoice to show where it came from—Long replied "No, it is all right, old fellow; we shall do nothing but what is all right"—Hubbard was present—I asked them again if they had any invoice; he said "No; are you going to have a glass of stout, old man?"—I said "No, I am not"—he said "Well,. I am going to"—I said "You can, if you like; be quick about it"—I then put the two prisoners in a cab; a constable in uniform close by assisted me; I took them to Fulham police-station, where I asked their names and addresses—they each said "I decline to give either my name or address"—Long then said if I went to Butler's, Church Street, Chelsea, and told him that Charley was at the station, he would know all about it—Hubbard said nothing to that—his name is Charles Hubbard—I then went to No. 1, Poulton Street, Church Street, Chelsea, a small greengrocer's shop kept by Butler—I there found a constable in charge of 15 baskets of cheese in the cellar or kitchen under the shop—I gave directions for the cheese to be taken to the station from the Butlers'—they were 15 baskets identified by Mr. Allan as his third lot—that was what I had seen in the van—the cart was outside a butcher's shop, and was taken to the station by a constable—these fifteen were taken in the van—I lost sight of the cart by St. Mark's, Notting Hill for a time—Long did not abondon it, he went round a corner rather faster than I—it was taken to the police station—it contained eight baskets of cheese, the remainder of Mr. Allen's third consignment—they were shown to to Allen and he identified them—I found no cheeses at James's butcher's shop in the Uxbridge Road; I found four baskets of Stilton cheese at James's shop, 16, George Street, Kichmond, less five that had been sold—there were forty-five of Mr. Bason's Stilton cheeses there; I have shown them to Mr. Bason and he has identified them—Beard found five other cheeses at James's other shop—at 85, Leather Lane, Mr. Herring's place, I found twenty of the second lot of Mr. Allen's cheeses—I called at Mr. Whittington's shop and received two letters addressed to Mortimer—I found this document on Hubbard when he was taken into custody ("22 cheeses 150.17.63 47l. 14s. 7d.")

Cross-examined by MR. HUTTON. I made no notes at the time—I depend on my memory—I have searched Hubbard's premises and

found nothing relating to this charge—it is a small kitchen where he lived.

CHARLES BEARD (Policeman T 566). I was with the last witness on April 3rd, and saw the cart and van, and I followed the younger Butler in the van he was driving to Poulton Street, Chelsea—he drew up in Church Street, at back of 1, Poulton Street, a small greengrocer's shop—that picture (produced) is a good representation of the premises—the back of No. 1 is in Church Street—the baskets were taken out of the van by the two Butlers and placed in an underground kitchen or cellar; the elder Butler came out and helped—there is the ordinary entrance to the shop—you can communicate by the shop-door to all parts of the house; this is the only other entrance—after the last cheeses were Unloaded into the cellar I went into the cellar behind him, and I said to the elder Butler "I am a police-officer, I want you to give an account of how you got these cheeses in your possession"—he said "I know nothing about them, I am only going to mind them for Mr. Dickson"—I said to the younger Butler "What do you know about them?"—he said "I don't know nothing about them, I have only just fetched them from Paddington"—I said I did not believe their statement, and should have to take them into custody for fraudulently stealing and receiving—the elder Butler said "All right, we will go with you"—I conveyed them in a cab to Fulham Police-station.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. I was outside the shop at half-past 11 a.m.—it was half-past 10 when the cheeses were at Paddington—it would take pretty well an hour, to come down to here—when the lad brought the van to a stand I was within 20 or 30 yards—what was done was done in my sight—I did not hear the lad speak to his father—the cheeses were in baskets, and were taken in in baskets—they were not touched except to take them in—it was easier to carry them in on the level than up the stairs to the shop—there was nothing in the way when they were taken in; it was impossible to conceal them—I told them I did not believe but that they knew something about it, I did not believe the father—I did not believe the father had heard Long speak of him self as Dickson, I don't question that statement—I knew the lad had brought them from Paddington; he said he knew nothing about it except that he had taken his father's van to Paddington and come back again—the van was standing there a quarter of an hour before anything was taken out of it, and before Butler senior appeared at all.

By the JURY. I saw Long pull off the labels in the doorway at Paddington, in the presence of a Great Western porter—young Butler was in the van assisting in loading them—he was at the horse's head of the cart—he loaded the things into the van.

Re-examined I walked; when the van drove away it walked and trotted a short way and afterwards walked, I could go as quickly—it had only just arrived when I got there.

JOHN GEORGE LITTLECHILD . I am Chief Inspector of Police at Scotland Yard—I was in this Court on 12th January, 1883, when Long was convicted of fraud in the name of Dickson; it was what is called a Long Firm case (See Vol. XCVII., Part 579, page 374)—Hubbard was present in Court when Long, otherwise Dickson, was tried and sentenced—I know Hubbard's handwriting; I have seen him write—my impression is this is in his writing, from comparison with documents I saw him write—I have seen the letters sent to the prosecutors,

and the forged delivery-notes; in my opinion, all those are in Long's handwriting—it did not come to my knowledge that Hubbard was acquainted with Dickson in 1883.

Cross-examined by MR. HUTTON. I cannot swear to Hubbard's writing, but it is my impression.

Re-examined I have to compare documents from time to time—I have had exceptional experience.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. I should say Long was a very plausible person.

MR. BESLEY submitted that there was no case to go to the Jury as against the Butlers, as the Indictment charged a receiving, knowing that the goods were obtained by false pretences, and by the Queen v. Rymes (5 Carrington and Curwen) a person could not be convicted of such an offence unless there was evidence that the person receiving knew the person defrauded, and the circumstances under which he had been defrauded; and further that there was no proof that the younger Butler did anything but by his father's directions. MR. MEAD contended that, an Indictment had been held to be good (Queen v. Goldsmith, 2 Crown Cases Reserved p. 74) although no knowledge of the false pretences was proved. THE COMMON SERJEANT directed the Jury to acquit the younger Butler, but ruled that the case as to the elder Butler must go to them.

BUTLER (the younger)— NOT GUILTY .

BUTLER (the elder) received a good character.— NOT GUILTY .

HUBBARD— GUILTY . *LONG.**— Five Years' Penal Servitude each.

THIRD COURT.—Monday, April 30th, and Tuesday, May 1st, 1888.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-471
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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471. CHARLES WILSON CROSS (33), THOMAS MEREDITH JAMES ARNOLD , JOSEPH NEWTON (25) , and GEORGE STUBBINGS (28) , Unlawfully conspiring together to obtain, and obtaining by false pretences, money from persons willing to subscribe to a volunteer fire brigade, with intent to defraud.

MESSRS. MEAD and BODKIN Prosecuted; MR. DUKE appeared for Cross,

MESSRS. FULTON and MUIR for Meredith, and MR. PURCELL for Arnold.

EMILY WARWICKER . I am a widow, and live at 26, Boxall Street, Hoxton—I am the landlady of 31, Northport Street, which is at the back of where I live—before I rented the house it was used by the Vicar as a mission-hall and schoolroom; then it was a carpenter's shop—on 24th September, Cross and Meredith came and agreed to take what had been the carpenter's shop (it was then unoccupied) at 7s. a week—they said it was for a fire-brigade station—they came in at the beginning of October—they paid their rent, a little is standing now.

Cross-examined by MR. DUKE. It is a good-sized place, it extends over the gardens of two houses—you could house two vans there—when the house was being painted in October, Cross told me he would want the door made wider, to admit an engine—they said they could not come in on the Saturday because they had not got their things ready, and they came on Monday and then said they would not come till they could come with the things they wanted to bring, and then they brought the things

—there was a hose and a hand-pump, and an axe and helmets, and one bucket—I saw those things, I did not take particular notice of anything else.

Re-examined The door has not been made wider, because the police interfered.

By the COURT. The gardens of the two houses are back to back and communicate directly with 31, Northport Street; you can go into them from there the place is built on the site of the gardens, on a level with the street—the gardens are roofed in, and that makes the shed—you can go off the street into it.

By MR. MEAD. There was never a fire-engine there—six weeks' rent is owing now, that is since they have been in custody; they have not given up possession.

GEORGE JEFFERIES . I am a barrow-lender at 1, Baynon Road, Kingsland—on 29th September Cross came to know if I had a truck of some kind to be placed at a fire-engine station, to run to fires, to carry the tackle—he said the station was at Northport Street, close to me—I believe he gave me the number, but I knew the place well—I agreed to lend him one—he looked round my premises and selected one of my business trucks, a tradesman's truck, enclosed all round, bottom and all, such as I would let to an oilman or grocer—it is not a costermonger's barrow—it as two wheels—he was to pay 2s. a week for it—he kept it four months and turned it on 19th January—he paid for four weeks—he paid the remainder about a week ago—I have got the barrow back.

Cross-examined by MR. DUKE. He had no intention to cheat me—I did not put him in the county court—this is a photograph of the barrow—they paid me double the price of a costermonger's barrow—I have been to this place in Northport Street two or three times—this cart was there and lamps similar to those the fire-brigade use; and several lengths of hose, I believe, I have seen—I do not know about couplings nor a standpipe nor a turncock's tools—I saw helmets—the place was fitted up as a fire-station—there was a lamp outside, painted red, with fire-station on it.

Cross-examined by MR. MUIR. I did not tell any gentleman from the Treasury or anybody what I was going to say—I did not tell anybody that this was a costermonger's barrow.

JAMES THOMAS WEST . I am a printer, at 71, Tabernacle Street, Finsbury Square—on 23rd September Cross came and ordered some printing to be done; and I printed six books like this—he asked me if I had a block of crossed hatchets and helmets; as I had not got that I put on this fire-engine on my own account—I was told to put the word "North" in the corner—he said he did not want that so large as the other—I printed nine books of this sort, and four of these receipt books—he brought a copy of a similar thing to this, and wanted the word "North" printed underneath the engine instead of over, and he said did not mind how small it was—I printed nine collecting-books, first three of 200 and then six of 100 each—I printed thirteen receipt-books—I did not print these collecting authorities—I have been paid for the work I did by Cross.

Cross-examined by MR. DUKE. This is a manual in the corner; Cross wanted a helmet and cross-axes, and I had not got that and put on the engine on my own account—I showed him the block before I printed it and he approved of it.

Re-examined. I printed the collecting books first—these other receipts were not printed for books, I think—I did 500 of these receipt-forms in addition to the four receipt books of 100 each—these forms were the first I did—then he came and wanted the "North" done small—the receipts I printed first were not in books; they have no manual; there is no engine on one lot; on the first there is—I think this blue one was done after the books.

CHARLES USHER . I am butler to Mr. Gould, of 18, South Street, Park Lane—on 1st December Stubbings, in a fireman's uniform, called on me and asked for a subscription to the London Fire Brigade—I gave him 5s.—previous to that I had seen two men, whom I cannot identify, and I had had a conversation with my master with reference to this visit after they had been and before Stubbings came—I said to Stubbings "I have the 5s. to give you from my master"—I got this receipt. (This was not torn from a book; it had the manual and North London Fire Brigade as a heading.) When I parted with the money I believed the person to whom I gave it came from the London Fire Brigade.

Cross-examined by the prisoner Stubbings. I do not know the London Fire Brigade, or if there is one.

THERESA GREEN . I am single, and live at 37, Church Street, Kensington—on 24th January a man in fireman's uniform (I cannot say who it was) called on me—I gave him 1s. and he gave me this receipt—he said he was collecting for the disabled firemen—I told him I thought I had given to that thing before—he said "Oh, you must have given to the regular Fire Brigade"—I keep a repository, and instead of writing my name I wrote "Repository" in the book.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. A good many persons come in there and do a good deal of business—I did not write down the words that the person said to me; I trusted to my memory—the police came to me sometime after—I had gone through a great deal of business, and spoken to other people.

GEORGE PITTS . I am chief clerk to the National Disabled Firemen's Institution, at 5, Albion Place, Blackfriars Bridge—I did not know Arnold till I saw him at the police-court—neither he nor any of the prisoners are authorised to collect subscriptions for our institution—I do not know of any other institution in London bearing that or any similar name.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. This is a prospectus of our institution—it is not attached to the Metropolitan Fire Brigade, but is entirely independent—we should look after firemen whether they belonged to the Metropolitan or to any other brigade—we are supported entirely by voluntary contributions—I do not know that there is an institution under Captain Shaw's sanction for the benefit of Metropolitan firemen exclusively—the committee of our society attend once a month—I cannot say whether our secretary and founder, Mr. Secomb, Captain in command of the London and Suburban Fire Brigade, has been at this Court, directed to come here by a Magistrate—I have known the institution five years—it is a genuine institution.

Re-examined. We assist Metropolitan firemen who are disabled, and also the widows and orphans.

EDWARD APPLEGATE . I am a greengrocer, of 64, Church Street, Kensington—on 24th January I saw three men dressed as firemen passing my

shop on the opposite side, calling at different shops—afterwards Arnold came to my shop and said "I am paying my annual visit, making my annual call on you"—I said "Well, it is the first time you have called on me, and I have been here something like 20 years, and I have never been called on before"—he opened and showed me this book—I gave him 2s., and wrote my name in the book; this is my signature—he spoke as having a cold, and not having been in bed for five nights, attending fires I imagined; he did not exactly say he had been attending fires—when I had signed the book, I noticed "North" in the corner, and I said "Are you a volunteer fire brigade?"—he said "Yes, but we work under Captain Shaw, and a hard taskmaster he is," or something to that effect," and come out as far as the Thames"—I should not have given my money if I had seen the word "North" before I subscribed—he said they came south as far as the Thames—I understood at first they were London firemen—I discovered they were volunteer firemen when I signed my name, after I had given my money—I did not know anything about whether there was an existing fire brigade with proper appliances for putting out fires.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. What induced me to part with my money was a belief that they came on the part of Captain Shaw's brigade, and that I was subscribing to the Metropolitan Fire Brigade—then I thought they were a volunteer fire brigade—I knew there were plenty of them, and I had seen bad accounts about them—he said nothing about 31, Northport Street, or a fire engine—I don't identify the other two who passed.

JOSEPH HOWARD . I am a fruiterer and greengrocer, of 25, Church Street, Kensington—on 24th January Arnold called on me, dressed in a peaked cap and fireman's dress—he said he had called for the annual subscription to the Fire Brigade Fund—I gave him 2s., and he gave me this receipt—I signed this book which was put before me—I believed he belonged to the Kensington branch of the fire brigade, an existing and genuine fire brigade—I did not notice the word "North" in the book.

Cross-examined by MR. MUIR. I have not been to Northport Street—I have not seen the appliances there—for all I know there may be a genuine and existing fire brigade there.

HARRIET OTLEY . I live at 28, Trebover Road, Kensington, and am a widow—on 4th February, two men called on me in firemen's dress—I cannot identify them—they told me they came for a subscription to the, F ire brigade, that they had worked under Captain Shaw, they were not then working—I gave them half-a-crown—they said they collected in London, north of the Thames, and there was another party for the south of the Thames—they said Captain Shaw belonged to the Metropolis, the centre, I suppose they meant, and that he collected there, but that he had no business to go on the north, I believe—I got this receipt, and signed my name in the book.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I saw the men myself—I did not pay very great attention to what they were saying—I understood I was subscribing to a fire brigade—I did not take any particular note of the details, I had a general impression they came from the fire brigade, and bad worked for Captain Shaw—I suppose all volunteer fire brigades have to obey the orders of Captain Shaw if they are present at a fire.

EDGAR WRIGHT (Detective Officer F). On 4th February, at noon, I

was with another officer in Trebover Road, Kensington—I saw Arnold and Newton there, dressed as firemen—Newton went up to No. 3, and handed in his book to the servant, and said "I have called for the annual subscription"—the servant handed the book back at once and gave him nothing—he then crossed the road and joined Arnold, and they both went into No. 28, Mrs. Otley's—they went to 68, Scarsdale Villas, where Newton handed in his book to the servant—I went over and said to him "What are you collecting for?"—he said "For the North London Fire Brigade"—I said "Where is your station?"—he said "At 31, Northport-Street, Hoxton"—that is seven or eight miles from Kensington—I said "Have you an engine there?"—he said "I don't know, I have not been in their service quite a fortnight; a Mr. Meredith is superintendent, and gave me my authority to collect"—he produced this authority. (This was headed "North London Fire Brigade" and stated that Mr. James Newton teas authorised to collect for one day). He said "Meredith is responsible, not me"—I took him and Arnold to the station—I found on Newton a collecting-book marked "I"—I left them at the station, and went to 31, Northport Street, Hoxton, where I saw Meredith, who came in almost directly after I went—I said "I have two of your men detained at Kensington Station for collecting subscriptions; they say you gave them their authority to collect"—I showed him the paper "H"—he said "Yes, I signed that"—I said "Have you any appliances for extinguishing fire?"—he said "Yes; I will show them to you"—he showed me a hand-truck containing a stand-pipe to be fixed into the plug-hole, when the force of the main causes the water to flow—the hose is screwed on that and goes into the engine—the force of the main carries the water up some distance, but there is not always sufficient force to carry it to the top of a high warehouse, and then it must be forced from the manual—there was about 40 feet of hose, I believe, I did not measure it, it was in short pieces—I did not test it to see if it could be connected—I said "Is this all your appliances?"—Meredith said "Yes; I will show you my handwriting, to show you that I signed the authority"—he then signed this form "J"—this entry on page 49, "February 2,15s.," and these initials are in his handwriting in my opinion, and so is this on page 4, in book "J," "10s., February 1st, W. M.—there are other similar signatures in the book—there was no fire engine there, no ladder, no helmets, no turncock's tools—they were not shown to me.

Cross-examined by MR. DUKE. I did not examine the premises, I only looked at what they brought out—there was the hose-cart with lamps—I saw one length of hose 40 feet—there might have been several lengths, I only saw one pulled out to me—the man pulled it out and said "There is 40 feet of it"—I saw a stand-pipe and a syringe—I did not see directing-pipes; I saw couplings used to connect lengths of hose—I did not see a jumping-net—they did not say anything about having one—I did not see a drag-rope, nor any rope, nor any turncock's tools—the hose-cart was already packed, the stand-pipe and hose and things were all inside, and the hand-pump, such as is used in the Metropolitan Fire Brigade, I believe, at all fires—I can't say if it is in all street stations—I saw Newton and Arnold going from house to house and handing in a book at each house—the book was similar to this, and headed "North London Fire Brigade, supported by voluntary contributions"—I did not notice on the inside of the one I looked at "North London Fire Brigade,

Superintendent Meredith, Deputy-Superintendent Gross, 31, Northport Street, N."

Cross-examined by MR. MUIR. When I went to Mr. Meredith and asked these questions he gave me every facility for finding out everything in the place, and offered to show me his handwriting—I said "Have you any appliances for extinguishing fire?" and he showed them to me—I did not say "For saving life"—a ladder and a net are not used for extinguishing fire—this photograph is of a cart similar to the one I saw—this is a view of the premises—the lamp shown here is a red lamp, I don't see any word "Fire" on it; I did not see it when I visited the remises—I won't swear there is not the word "Fire"—I know couplings are made to couple lengths of hose of different size—I dare say I have known Meredith 14 years, as a carpenter—I cannot say whether he is working now as a carpenter; he was a journeyman—he is a respectable man; I have known nothing against him—that was my district—if there was anything against him I should know it.

Re-examined. He lives at 61, Hyde Road, Hoxton; he had just come home, I believe they sent for him—he was not working at his trade when I spoke to him—I believe he had worked at his trade as a carpenter ever since this brigade was started.

WILLIAM TRAVIS (Detective F). I was with Wright when he arrested Newton on 4th February—I heard Arnold say to a servant at 62, Scars dale Villas "I have called for the annual subscription"—he handed in a book, which the servant took and brought back, and said "We don't give; mistress is out"—I said "I am a police officer; who are you collecting for?"he said "For the North London Fire Brigade"—I said "I shall have to detain you"—I took him to the station, where a receipt and a collecting book were found on him, and a small slip of paper, the authority to collect—he said he was not responsible; he was a collector and not a fireman—he was dressed as a fireman in a peaked cap, and had the appearance of an officer of the fire brigade—I should have thought he was a superior—he had nothing over his uniform.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. Arnold did not tell me he was appointed as collector through an advertisement, nor how long he had been collector, nor how he was paid—he was charged with begging on the 6th, remanded for a week on bail, and then discharged on that charge, and served with a summons on this matter—he had to wait five or six times at Hammersmith for this charge, and then was committed for trial and released on bail.

Cross-examined by MR. MUIR. The two men were not dressed alike—Arnold had a peaked cap; he was dressed differently to the men of the Metropolitan Fire Brigade, who have either a helmet or a round man-of-war cap.

Re-examined. It was like a sub-engineer's cap—I believe the officers of the Metropolitan Fire Brigade wear different caps—originally the prisoners were charged under the Vagrancy Act with begging under fraudulent pretences.

FREDERICK WESTON (Police Inspector F). On 4th February Arnold and Newton were brought to Kensington Police Station—two days afterwards I went to 31, Northport Street, Hoxton, where I saw Meredith, Cross, and Newton—I saw a shop there used for these appliances to be placed in—there was a red fire-lamp outside—there was just room in the door

way for a costermonger's barrow to get through—I saw a cart used by the men, which would just about get in through the doorway; it was an improved costermonger's barrow, precisely the same as a barrow, with the exception of the sides being boarded up—I said "I have come to see all the appliances you have"—they showed me a hose-barrow, with two divisions; in one division were lengths of hose and in the other a hydrant, and a hand-pump or small syringe, a very small squirt—there was no engine, no buckets, no escape—there was some now rope netting which they called an escape net, it is generally called a jump-net, for people to jump into—there was a small lamp and an axe on the hosebarrow—those were all the appliances they had—I said "How much hose have you got?"—Cross said "Over 300 feet"—a large quantity was pulled out of the barrow—I said "That will do"—possibly there were 300 feet—I said "Have you attended any fires?"—Cross said "Oh yes"—I said "Where?"—he said "The one at Great Eastern Street"—he referred to a copybook—I said "Did you take your appliances there?"Cross said "Yes, but they were not required, I rendered assistance there myself"—I said "Have you attended any other fires?" he said "Yes, one at a wood yard near New North Road, but we were not wanted there"—I said "Have you an engine?"—Cross said "No"—I said "Have you ever had one?"—he said "No"—I then left-Newton did not hear the latter part of that—Cross and Meredith were together all the time—Meredith may have made some remarks, but Cross gave me the particulars—I called there again on the 7th and saw Cross—I asked him if he had any receipts for the appliances they had purchased—he showed me some papers—then Meredith came in and he fetched some other receipts and showed them to me—I said "When did you start in business?"—they both hesitated—I said "I see your first hose was purchased on 10th October"—I saw that from the receipts—Cross said that was so—he said "Besides those receipts we have some others; I bought some other hose at Houndsditch—I said "Did you get a receipt for the purchase of that?"—he said "No"—I said "Was that purchased before 3rd October or after?"—Cross said "After"—I said "I have seen a receipt which one of your collectors gave dated 3rd October; then that would be before you had any hose"—they made no reply—I did not produce the book—we then referred to the copybook as to chimney fires they bad extinguished, and then I left—I called again on 11th February, and saw Cross and Meredith—I said "I want to see your books"—I had the collecting-books with me, and wished to compare them with any accounts they might have—they refused to show me the books—I received the receipt of 3rd October and the book as well, from Mr. Price of the Charity Organisation Society—this is that book—I have seen Arnold write, and I have seen the receipts that bear his name, n my opinion they are undoubtedly in his handwriting.

Cross-examined by MR. DUKE. This is the receipt I saw, I should say—it is headed "10l. 10 "; it contained a list like this—I looked at the dates of all the receipts affecting the hose—I looked at the quantities and made a note in my book—I should say this is the same receipt—it shows on the left-hand side that although the receipt is dated 10th October, the host was delivered on 27th September—there was this bundle of receipts, and I looked at the date—all the receipts were not there, they said they

had others—the barrow was a costermonger's with the sides and front boarded in—this is a smaller one than the one I saw—I told them to bring the barrow here—I have not seen it—this is a photograph of the premises with the hose-truck and plant—this is the copy-book which they call the occurrence-book—it contains a list of the places which they say they went to—I have investigated the contents of the book only casually—I looked it over with them at the time—I did not go away and leave them with an impression it was all right—I said that would do with regard to the hose.

Cross-examined by MR. MUIR. I saw Meredith four times altogether; the 6th, 7th, and 11th, and after that I served on him the notice to produce the various articles—he offered to give me any information—he said "My connection with Cross was the unfortunate result of public-house acquaintance; I only knew him before as belonging to the one in Kingsland"—he meant the volunteer fire brigade—they have an engine and appliances there—Meredith said "Gross said 'This will turn out all right, and got me to join it. From what I have since heard of him and all the others whom he took on, I admit I have been a fool and nothing else, and that I deserve 20 lashes with the cat; I am quite innocent of knowing what the others were doing, Cross took all the money and had the whole management of it up till the end of January. I am £30 out of pocket over it, and have lost £50 in contracts where I work"—Meredith was alone at that time; he gave me every facility for investigating—on 11th February Meredith refused to snow me the books; he said "No, they will be produced"—after he said that, I told the Magistrate he gave me every facility for investigating; he has done so all through—possibly a jumping-net is an appliance for saving life—I never saw Zazel at the Westminster Aquarium—I have heard she was shot out of a cannon and landed in a net—I have known sheets and blankets used—a net is better adapted—on the lamp was the word "Fire," and over the door the word "Station"—there is just room for the hose-barrow they have, to enter—I was satisfied with the quantity of hose.

By MR. DUKE. This conversation with Meredith was about the 18th February—I had served Cross with a notice, and went to Meredith's house to serve him; and after doing so he made this lamentation to me—up to that time he had said nothing of the kind—he had said nothing of the kind in Cross's presence—I cud not observe much whether they seemed to be on good terms—they both gave me all the facilities I wanted—Cross gave me the same facilities as Meredith; he did not refuse any of those given by Meredith.

Re-examined When we returned Cross refused to open the door to let us into the station.

SAMUEL JAMES SKEBBINGTON. I am superintendent of the North London and Suburban Volunteer Fire Brigade, Finsbury Park—on 12th November I went to 31, Northport Street, and saw the plant there—I have been connected with the volunteer fire brigade about 18 years—there were not there the complete appliances that usually belong to a volunteer fire brigade—I should expect to see one engine at least, and certainly five or six lengths of hose—there were three short lengths of about 40 feet, I should reckon—I know Cross and his writing—I believe this writing across this book to be Cross's—I should think

this letter is entirely in his writing, and the signature only of this other—I should say the initials in red ink at the bottom of page 43 of book 3 are in Cross's writing—I saw no turncock's tools, nor helmets, nor belts, nor long ladder, nor hose-cart—I saw what we term a costermonger's or sweep's barrow standing outside.

Cross-examined by MR. DUKE. I found out that these people had started a brigade, which they called the North London Fire Brigade, on the 1st November—I thought it was partly taking my title—I hare no station in Hoxton—ours is 54, Blackstock Road, Finsbury Park—we have two stations—we began in 1870—at that time we had 16 men, I suppose, in our brigade—we had all necessary plant—my station was then in Penton Street, Pentonville—we receive nothing from the public funds, only from voluntary subscriptions—I am paid as manager—I send collectors, who collect money, and I appropriate part of it as manager's salary—I issue a balance-sheet to let the public know what I do with the money—I am not sure whether I have issued a balance-sheet for 10 years; I began 18 years ago—the brigade was partly formed in 1870—we began in 1871; it was mooted in December, 1870, and the station was taken in 1870—we began to collect in 1871, and we opened in January or February, 1871—we had then six lengths of hose, a stand-pipe, a branch, a felling axe and hand-pump; but previous to that there was an engine ordered of Shand and Mason—I was not superintendent at that time—we had all the necessary appliances for extinguishing fires—we also had two lengths of ladder, 13 feet in all, 6 feet each; a long line, uniform helmets, belts, axes; I cannot enumerate all—we had the gear sent on, while we were getting the engine, for us to open the station—we got the engine in March, 1871—I have been informed that the water company's hydrants in Hoxton district are high-pressure—if you put a hose on the hydrant I should say the water would carry to a height of 70 or 80 feet, with the pressure in the main—if the fire were less than 70 or 80 feet high you would not need an engine, I should say—there are more fires extinguished now with a stand pipe than there were originally, because we get a better supply of water—the manual is more useful to carry the men than anything else, and a speedy way of getting gear to the fire—whether a fire may be put out with the pressure of water from the main depends on if you have sufficient hose—300 feet of hose is very useful; we have 1,000 feet—we began with six lengths of 40 feet each—40 feet is a length of hose in leather—eight lengths would be 320 feet—our brigade has been growing; it has been a great deal of trouble, but I manage to keep it growing—I have expended over 200l. of my own money on it, and now it is in a great state of efficiency—for the last six months, since I broke my arm, I have spent all my time on it; at first I did not—this place was large enough for a fire engine if you enlarged the door—I have not seen this brigade and its appliances since that time—our brigade attends chimney fires—we are sent for and we attend—it is certainly a useful purpose to the public to put out a chimney fire; sometimes it is a serious matter—I have known cases where it has become a very serious thing—from June, 1876, to June, 1877, we had 16 chimney-fire calls; that is a small number—I should think 20 chimney fires in the course of two or three months would be a large number—for the purpose of putting out a chimney fire a hand-pump is a proper appliance—a man who knew his business would not turn all the force of the main up the chimney—the prisoners had such

a pump—for a more serious call some yards of hose and a hydrant would be very useful till the fire engine came with a person that understood it—I think Cross was in the Metropolitan Fire Brigade for about five weeks—for the first few weeks men are drilled; they don't turn them out from the drill-class for about three months in the Metropolitan Brigade.

Cross-examined by MR. MUIR. The Metropolitan Brigade turn out readily to a chimney fire, the same as us, and with as much alacrity to a chimney fire as to a larger fire with the hand-pump—I do not know Baker—we collect subscriptions over Islington, Stoke Newington, Finsbury Park, Hornsey, and South Hornsey—we limit our collections to the fires—we run perhaps two or three miles to a fire—I would not send my collectors to South Kensington; it is too far for me—if any one liked to send me a subscription from South Kensington I should take it.

Re-examined A fire-station would be utterly useless to people living seven or eight miles off—we only collect subscriptions in the area where the public have an opportunity of using our services—our second station is at Clapton Common—I have not an engine at each place; at Clapton I have a fire escape with a squirt. By

MR. MUIR. My collectors are paid a commission of 25 per cent. By

MR. MEAD. A man could not acquire sufficient knowledge of a fireman's duties in a month.

JOSIAH GEORGE HORTON . I am an engineer in the service of the Metropolitan Fire Brigade (of which Captain Shaw is the chief officer), at Old Street, Shoreditch—we don't collect subscriptions at all; we depend on the rates—Cross was in the brigade five weeks, from 17th January to 22nd February, 1881—he resigned, to escape punishment for delaying his time and returning to the station under the influence of drink—on 3rd January I attended a fire in Great Eastern Street, Shoreditch—Cross was there in uniform—he had no appliances with him—he was very much under the influence of drink at that time—he rendered no assistance; we did not want it—on 9th December, 1887, I attended a fire in St. John's Road—I saw Cross there in uniform—he rendered no service; the fire was out when he arrived—I did not see what he brought with him—we have a station about half a mile from the volunteer fire brigade—I should not think Northport Street was a place where any extra fire-station was required.

Cross-examined by MR. DUKE. Our nearest station on the other side is about the same distance off—there is about a mile and a half between our two stations—it is a very poor neighbourhood, with a great number of little houses—the appliances of our street-stations are ordinarily a hose-cart, three 100-feet lengths of hose, a stand pipe, delivery elbows for connecting on to the hydrant, a hand-pump, 3 nozzles, 2 branches, a set of turncock's tools, 6 wedges, 6 lapping-lines and lapping leathers—all those are carried in the hose cart—we do not have a jumping net—we have ladders and an escape, at night-time—I should think this photograph represented a hose-cart, with proper fittings and appliances—we have no engines at the street-stations, but they are in communication with the main station by telegraph, and there we have manual and steam engines—there are telegraphs at the corners of the streets to communicate with the stations—the street-stations are between two main-stations, with the object that we can be in prompt attendance at small fires—we attend

chimney fires, not very many—from Old-Street, in 14 months we attended 45 chimney fires, 15 of them proved to be false alarms.

Cross-examined by MR. MUIR. I have seen the North London and Suburban Fire Brigade Station once—it is about half a mile from our station in Old Street; very little nearer to us than Northport Street.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. When at a fire all volunteer brigades are under the control of Captain Shaw and the superintendent of the district.

Re-examined A volunteer fire brigade which professes an area over Enfield, Kensington, and Hammersmith, and the north of London, is not properly constituted without an engine—they would never hear of a fire that occurred in any of those localities—at my station I have two engines, a hose-cart, and three escapes—there are nearly 200 engines in the brigade. By

MR. PURCELL. I am aware that frequent applications have been made by Captain Shaw to increase his resources, and that he has found his appliances inadequate.

By MR. MEAD. I do not think this is a place where additional aid is required—three or four men would be sufficient to stop at that place; they could not go above half a mile off; they had no horses—I have not seen their gear.

EDWARD CLEMENT PRICE . I am assistant secretary to the Charity Organisation Society, 15, Buckingham Street, Strand—I received this collecting-book from Mr. Covingden, of Enfield, on 22nd December, and handed it to Inspector Weston on 14th February. (Two letters from Cross to Mr. Covingden were here read; the first asked for the return of the book; the second said that if the book were not returned legal poceedings would be taken to recover it.)

J. G. HORTON (Re-examined). I have examined the hose—there are five 40-feet lengths and three 30-feet lengths—the three latter would stand good pressure, in the others the water would come through; it is not very old but it is unlined—there are couplings to connect one length with another, they are all right.

By MR. DUKE. It is a common sort; it has been made by makers who supply fire brigades—it would carry water, but some would come through the sides there would be very great leakage—I have not tested it—if it were tarred it would stop it to a certain extent.

Witnesses for Cross.

GEORGE BAKER . I am at present in the employment of the Metropolitan Fire Brigade at Stoke Newington—in November, 1887, I knew Ross, who was station keeper at this fire station in Northport Street; he was leaving, and I applied for the place and was appointed—I was supplied with uniform, helmet, and so forth—at the station there were about five pieces of hose, a hydrant-piece, turncock's tools, uniforms for six or seven men, a hand-pump, two branches with nozzles connected, a long ladder, couplings, a hose-cart, a jumping-net, with beckets for holding it—I have been at various stations; those appliances were sufficient to keep a fire in hand till the brigade came—there were more feet of hose than they have at the Metropolitan street-stations I believe—in the Hoxton district there is high pressure on the hydrants, enough for fires in that district without an engine—I was station-keeper for about three months, day and night—my instructions were to attend at fires and chimneys—we were called to three fires while I was there, and

a goodish many chimneys—this is a book I kept; Mr. Cross entered in it the calls—I gave him the particulars—I cannot tell you how many times Cross attended a fire with me—I went to Copsall Street, to a chimney fire with me—I know there was a chimney fire at Parker's, Flint House, Hyde Row—I went to Mrs. Burleigh, who keeps a newspaper shop in Hyde Road, and to Collard's, carpenter's shop in Burlington Street, where a beam had lighted in the chimney; and to Lock wood's, 133, Philip Street, a chimney fire; and to one in Whitmore Road; and to a chimney fire in Penn Street; and to one opposite Hoxlon church at about 6 in the morning; and to Harvey Street, near the canal, a chimney fire—I did not go to Rossiter's nor to Davis's—I took the appliances to a fire at a timber yard in New North Road; the steam engines were at work when we got there—I went round the building and offered our services; they did not require us—we were also called by a road sweeper to a private house opposite Hoxton Church; I and another man went, but we were not required—we were called once by the police—the police used to leave their capes at our station of a night—I got 1l. a week wages—they were paid me.

Cross-examined by MR. MEAD. I had no engine—that is a necessary thing for a fire-brigade—we were the only persons that attended all these fires; the regular fire-brigade was not there on any occasion—we put them out on every occasion—I was in the employment of the Metropolitan Brigade till I got my subpoena—I have not been discharged yet—I have been coachman, driving the horses—I have nothing to do with putting out fires unless I am called for—Arnold is in charge of the station at Stoke Newington—I am acting under him—he told me to take the subpoena from this Court and attend to it—I am not wanted there any more.

Re-examined I showed the subpœna to Arnold, and I was dismissed through my being connected with this—I have not received a notice, but I have to go and sign the pay-sheet and receive the balance of my money. By the COURT. An engine is necessary in Hoxton, but the standpipe works instead of the manual.

JAMES ANDREW LEGGATT . I am a pensioner in the Navy—I was employed on 7th or 8th October by Cross and Meredith to make a jumping-net at Northport Street—I was at work there about a fortnight—there were generally two on duty at the station at night, and during the day sometimes more than two—Cross was there nearly every day—he used to wear the uniform and belt—there was a fire in the front room at Rossiter's in Hyde Road—after it was extinguished Cross sent me over and gave me orders to remain about the place till a man came from the Salvage Corps in the evening—the fire had been extinguished—a salvage man came and relieved me—I saw the hose tested by Mr. Woodhead of the New River Company, and Barrett, the turncock, while I was there—they connected the gear with the hydrant and ran the water through—the hose stood the pressure of the water—there was very strong force of water—persons came to call them to extinguish chimneys—I was there by day while I was making this net—I received 26s. for knitting it—it was 41/2 yards one way, and 4 yards the other—it had beckets at the side for men to hold it by—it is a new kind of net, better than a canvas one.

Cross-examined by MR. MUIR. I think there were two dozen balls of string at 1s. a ball in it, and then rope bands—it might have cost a little more than 3l.

Cross-examined by MR. BODKIN. Mr. Cross paid me at two or three different times—I believe he paid me all—I worked inside 31, Northport Street—I was hardly working the whole of the twelve days—sometimes there was only one on duty at night—Cross and Ross used to be there—Mr. Woodhead did not tell me what pressure was put on when he tested the hose—a nozzle was screwed on at the end—the water went about 40 or 50 feet up, as high as a house—on 7th or 8th October, when I was first employed, I believe the brigade had been in existence a little time then; it was the first time I knew there was such a place—I do not know that for some time before that men went about collecting for it, nor how many men were employed as collectors—Meredith is there very often.

Tuesday, May 1.

ALFRED WATKINS . I am a labourer, of 24, Clayton Street, Hoxton—I know the prisoners—I was employed at 31, Northport Street, as assistant station-keeper—I had to stand by, night or day according to rotation—George Baker, Stubbins, or Newton, or some of the others, used to take it in turns—there used to be two or three in the station—I and Baker were regularly on duty—I had to clean the plant—it was ready for working, but we had no use for it, as we only attended chimney fires—I think there were five fires; I can remember four—one was in Penn Street, one in Hyde Road; a news agent's, which was a very bad one; one at a constable's in Copthall Road; one in the same street nearly opposite—it is entered in the Occurrence Book (produced)—the entries in that book relate to the fires which were attended—they were made in my presence—either Baker or myself supplied the information for the entries—at the news agent's fire there had been a foul chimney, and it had got well alight up at the top so that the roof was coming in—we got a ladder and some boxes, and got through the roof on to the top—it was very dangerous—the chimney-pot came off, and I nearly rolled off into the street—that was not the pot the fire was in, that was too hot to hold by—we were at it about an hour—Cross was at the station—Baker and myself attended—Cross was there every day and every evening, and sometimes during the night—I only recollect two as the smallest number at the station at one time—sometimes there were five or six—Cross lived just opposite; Meredith lived in the high road, and Arnold close handy, so that I could call them if wanted—we always had plenty of volunteers—we always had our wages paid—there had been no complaint about that.

Cross-examined. Baker was a regular fireman—he is described in the Occurrence Book as an "odd man, late M. F.B."—that was his position in the Metropolitan Fire Brigade—I was a labourer before I joined this brigade—I had gone through training at Hornsey with the Local Board Fire Brigade—I belonged to the New River Company for five years, that would make it in 1882—I was assistant waste inspector—I believe every call given at the station was entered in this book—I attend chimney-fires—I did not write the entries in the book—I made them out, and gave them, to Cross or Meredith—I do not recollect being called to a fire at 120, St. John's Road—I was off duty, but I heard about it—I think

Cross and Baker spoke about it—I recollect a fire at Great Eastern Street, Shoreditch, in January—I was not there—I believe Cross and Baker were there—I was not on duty at the station when the call came—I heard about it at my own residence—the entries are made directly after the fires—the fire-engine is not necessary for putting out all fires, because there are hydrants.

WILLIAM EDWARD WOODHEAD . I live at 75, Colebrook Row, Islington—I am employed by the New River Company—I was asked to go to No. 31, Northport Street, Hoxton—the hose was connected with the main—some couplings had been lashed on the new hose, and I was asked to cut them off, so that the couplings could be put on properly—the water was passing through the hose, but it slightly sweated through—I cannot say what is the usual leakage—the couplings were properly lashed—the ordinary pressure of water was turned on—the hose was not held up any height, but laid on the ground to try the couplings—there is a very high pressure of water in our mains in the district, which might in some parts carry the water from the nozzle to the top of a not very high building—we should apply the hose from the hydrant in the case of a small fire.

Cross-examined. We had three lengths of hose about 50 feet each.

EDWARD ROSSITER . I am a brush manufacturer, at 155, Hyde Road, Hoxton—on a Friday, about the beginning of November, a fire occurred in my front parlour, which is the stock-room—there were brushes, hair, boards, &c.—the hair was ready to be put in the boards, and the brushes were ready to go out—it burned the brushes on the bench, and the papers that hung over, the bench—it was supposed to be caused by a cinder flying out on the bench—it also burned the boxes underneath, and the hair and brushes—the counter was burned—my father sent for assistance to Northport Street—the fire-station has been open for some considerable time—when Cross came I was not there, I was, at tea, and when I went back I found Cross by the side of the fire—he put it out—a man called Leggatt was left in attendance till a man named Bradley from the Salvage Corps in the Upper Street, Islington, came and discharged Leggatt—he was left in charge by Cross, and said there was no danger, as Mr. Cross had extinguished the fire satisfactorily—I pass Northport Street eight or ten times a day, according to business—there is always a man in attendance at the station—Mr. Leggatt, Cross, and Arnold, and another young man who I don't see here, used to be there—I do not know if it is Baker.

THE JURY stated that they did not want to hear any more evidence


23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-472
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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472. JOHN ALLEN (19) , Breaking and entering St. Clement's Church, Islington, and stealing a pair of flower-vases and other goods, the property of William Elwell.

MR. JONES LEWIS Prosecuted.

EDWARD HOUSE (Policeman Y 527). On Monday, 9th April, I was on duty near Arundel Mews, Islington—on entering the Mews I passed a man coming out—I turned my light on him, heard something, turned my light full on, and I saw the prisoner standing between the Wall and a van—he rushed to the front of the van and tried to get away—I got ahead of him, and he dodged back, and ran from the van to another, and fell over a block of stone, regained his footing, and jumped over ft 5-footwall

into a garden—I held my light so that I could see him crouched under the wall—he rushed over five different walls—I again got ahead of him, and he rushed back to a door of one of the houses—I put my light full on him; he returned into the first garden—I ran him into a corner, and said he might as well give himself up, as I was bound to have him—he said "I will"—as he came near me I seized him and held him—I said "What are you running away like this for?"—he said "I did not intend for you to catch me; let me have my hat"—he had no hat on during the chase—as I was going for it I had my light on, and these two vases shone—I said "We will have these," and picked them up—his hat was on the shafts of another van—the church window was broken about 20 yards from this spot, overlooking the mews, about 8 feet from the ground—there is a small wall between the mews and the church—I took the prisoner to the station—he said "What am I in for?"—I said "I believe it is burglary"—I went back to the mews with Inspector Peck, searched, and found these wicks near where the vases were—the church window had been forced from the outside—I called the verger up—the hole was big enough for a man to get through—the top of the offertory box was knocked off and the end knocked out, and on the seat under the broken window was this lamp—the vestry door had been broken open, and the drawers emptied, and the papers strewn about—a large cupboard, in which the safe was kept, was broken open, and the brass handle of the safe was broken off and put on the table—the wardrobe door was broken open and thrown wide open, but nothing disturbed in the wardrobe—after we had looked through the church we went back to where I first started the prisoner, and I picked up this brush and this gas key, and in the fifth garden I found this mother-of-pearl shell, also this bit of iron—on the other side of the church, between the wall that parts the church from the mews, about 2 feet, I found this piece of iron, which has been newly broken off—it corresponds with the other portion of the bar which has been found, and makes the iron railing of a fence—that was about 25 yards from where the prisoner was apprehended—there were marks of violence on the vestry door, but it was not broken open—it was opened by a key which is kept inside the church, near the vestry door—I called Mr. Elwell, the churchwarden, to identify the property as belonging to the church, and he charged the prisoner with breaking in—he made no reply.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not see you upon the premises of the church—I found you about 25 yards from the church, and about three yards from the vases—your hat was on the ground near where you fell over the stone. WILLIAM SINFIELD. I am the verger of this church, and live at 54, St. Clement's Street, Barnsbury—on Sunday night, 8th April, about 9.30 p. m., I locked up the church safely—there are five doors leading into the church—none of the windows were open, and no hole in any of them—I was called by the police about 4 a. m. on Monday, and found the doors securely locked, but the alms-box was broken open, but it had been cleared after the service on Sunday night—I missed these two flower vases—they had contained flowers, which had been taken out and strewn on the Altar—this little lamp was on a bench under the broken window inside the church—it was picked up by the police—I saw marks of violence on the vestry door, and picked up this piece of iron, the top of a railing, close to the vestry door, which had been opened by a key

which was taken from the top of the cupboard where the choir keep their music—the lock was not broken—I missed this shell from the vestry drawers, which had been pulled open, and the contents strewn about—it is called a christening shell—the value of the vases and shell is about 30s.—the property is that of the Churchwarden—the Register safe was not broken open, but had been tampered with—the plate was safe—I missed this wick produced—there was nearly a pound of it in the vestry drawers, which was similar, only it has been crumpled up—I found four distinct finger-marks of blood just inside the church—I missed this dusting brush and gas-key, also a missionary box from the vestry—that has not been recovered.

CHARLES WILLIAM PLUMMER . I live at 30, Scholfield-Road, Upper Holloway—on 9th April, about 12.30 p. m., I acted as watchman near Arundel Mews—I saw the prisoner and another man coming down Westbourne Road—the other man went into the urinal, and the prisoner took this lamp from outside, hanging on a post—it was in the lantern—I was just inside the place when I saw a light dodging about—I thought somebody was lighting his pipe, and then I saw the prisoner taking it away—I watched him turn up Bride Street, and then I put a new lamp into my lantern, and told a policeman about it, as I was going off duty at 1 o'clock.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "The constable let the right man go. It was the man he passed in the yard."

The prisoner in his defence said that he had been out on pleasure, and went up the yard to get a night's lodging, when the policeman showed his lantern, and he jumped up, fell, and lost his hat, and thought he was going to be charged with being in the van.


He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony at Clerkenwell in February, 1888.— Ten Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-473
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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473. ALFRED EDWARD KERSEY (31) Forging and uttering an order for the payment of 5l. 7s. with intent to defraud.

MR. MUIR Prosecuted.

WILLIAM STEPHENS . I am 14 years of age—on 29th March, I was in New Bond Street, when the prisoner gave me a letter in this envelope (produced)—he asked me to take it to the address on the envelope, "Messrs. Atloff and Norman, 69, New Bond Street," and bring back a pair of boots and some change—I took it there—I got no change—I got the parcel and took it to the prisoner at the corner of a street, I do not know the name of it, in New Bond Street—I did not see him at first—he called me to him and I gave him the parcel—he took it and asked me for the change—I said they did not give me any, and did not say anything about the change—he was going to give me 2d. when Mr. Norman took hold of him.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You gave me the letter about opposite No. 7, New Bond Street—when I came back you were at the corner of some street I do not know—you promised to meet me lower down—you beckoned to me—you did not ask me who the man was who gave me the note—I was not crying and looking about when you stopped me—when you asked me what they had given me, I said "This parcel"—I ran away after Mr. Norman caught hold of you—I saw you put your hands on him and try to trip him up, or wrench yourself away—I had not seen you before.

Re-examined I did not see the prisoner put his leg between Norman's—I cannot say if he did so.

WILLIAM GEORGE NORMAN . I am manager for Messrs. Atloff and Norman, Bootmakers, of 69, New Bond Street—on 29th March Stephens brought me this letter in this envelope about 3. 30: "Please give bearer one pair of fashionable French laced boots (ladies'), No. 2, value about 20s. or 25s. Enclosed please find cheque for 5l. 7s. We are not particular whether they slightly exceed the above amount. Gordon and Co."—I knew Gordon and Co.—I gave instructions for the empty box to be made up into a parcel, given to the boy, and that his address should be taken—the boy went out and ran down the street on the same side as the shop, I followed on the other side—the boy had nearly run past Maddox Street—I then noticed the prisoner standing about twenty yards up the street, beckoning to the boy—I saw him take the box from the boy, put it under his arm, and then put his hand into his pocket, and I heard money clink—I then seized the prisoner and told him I should want him to go back to the shop with me on the charge of having sent the boy with a note and a cheque to obtain goods under false pretences—I secured him with my left hand and seized the boy and called "Help" and "Police"—I could get no one to help me, and no constable—the prisoner was punching my left arm and struggling, and getting the best of me, so I let go of the boy and seized the prisoner more firmly, when he put his leg between mine and tried to trip me up—I asked him whether he was going to struggle or whether I should have to use force to take him—he said he would go quietly, which he then did—I took him back to the shop and gave him in charge—he said he knew nothing about it.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not see you till the boy turned round—I saw you beckon him—I believe I mentioned your punching me at the police-court.

THOMAS GUBBINS (Policeman D 143). About 3.30 on 29th March I was called to Mr. Norman's shop, who gave the prisoner into custody for attempting to obtain a pair of boots with a false cheque—I said "At present I shall take you into custody"—he said "Very well, I will go with you, we will have a cab"—I went to the City Bank with the cheque I found this tracing paper in a pocketbook in the prisoner's coat-pocket, it has "Peter Charles" written on it. (The cheque was dated 19th January, 1888, on the City Bank, Tottenham Court Road Branch. Pay Thomas Jones or order 110l., W. H. Carey. It had no endorsement. The other cheque was on the same bank, and dated March 29, 1888. Pay Messrs. Atloff or order 5l. 7s. for goods. Gordon and Co."

JOHN CABOT . I am a hosier and shirt maker, of 7, New Bond Street, and a partner in the firm of Gordon and Co.—my partner takes no active part in the business—this cheque is not signed by my firm—I do not bank at the City Bank, nor in the name of Gordon and Co.—I do not know anything of the letter produced, nor the envelope—I have never seen the prisoner before—I never gave anybody any authority to sign the note or cheque.

JOHN GORDON CROWE . I am a clerk in the City Bank, Tottenham Court Road Branch—we have no customer named Gordon and Co.—The cheque is from a book issued by our bank six years ago to Mr. Walter Kent, whose account was closed about two years ago—He did not return his cheque-book—it is customary for a customer to return his

book when his account is closed—we always ask for it—the two cheques produced are out of the book issued to Walter Kent—the numbers art 95215 and 95219, series "B B."

DAVID CRACKETT (Detective C). After the prisoner was charged he handed this paper to the inspector, who handed it to me—it is an address, "46, Harcombe Road, Stoke Newington"—Mr. Drew is the landlord there—I went there—Mrs. Drew pointed out the prisoner's room—Mr. Drew was present—in the room I found this cheque, dated 19th January, 1888, for 110l.—I did not actually see the prisoner write the address, but the paper was handed through the cell-door to him, and he gave it back to the inspector—he was alone in the cell, and the address was written on it when it was handed back.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. The lad did not identify you at the station—there has been no attempt at fraud with the other cheque.

Re-examined It was found in a box.

JOHN DREW . I live at 46, Harcombe-Road, Stoke Newington—the prisoner lodged with me—I was present about a quarter of an hour after Crackett called—I saw him find this cheque of 19th January in the prisoner's box.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I have known you some years, and know your writing—this cheque for 110l. is not your writing—the letter is something like it, but I cannot swear to it—you told me that the people called at Mr. Skinner's office, your place of business, and that you did not want to see them, or to have anything to do with them.

Re-examined The address on this envelope to Mr. Skinner is the prisoner's writing, but I should not like to swear that the "C "in "Gordon and Co. "is the same as the "C "in "Cursitor Street"—the formation is something like it—the final "y "in "Chancery" and in "slightly" are similar, but the one is bold and the other is shaky.

The prisoner stated in his defence that he saw a man in Bond Street, whom he knew to be a bad character, hand a letter to a lad, and thought he would wait to render what assistance he could. The man had frequently been to his office and wanted him to do as the man had done. He stopped the boy and asked him what he had, and the boy said nothing, and as he was handing him the parcel Mr. Norman seized him.

GUILTY ** of uttering.

He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony in October, 1886, at this Court.— Fifteen Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-474
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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474. EUGENE HORRIGAN (32), EDMUND BURKE (28), and SAMUEL MAHONEY (28), Robbery with violence upon Frederick Rider, and stealing 9s., his money.

MR. HUGGINS Prosecuted.

FREDERICK RIDER . I am a greengrocer—on Thursday, 5th April, between 1 and 1.30 a. m., I was in a lodging-house at Pitfield Street, at the back of the Variety Theatre, Hoxton—I saw the prisoners there—Horrigan took me outside, and put a handkerchief over my mouth, and one of the others held me down—another put his hand in my pocket—I had nine shillings—when I got up I had a punch on the note from a stranger, and my money was gone—I had not conversed with the prisoners—one had asked me if I had twopence for a lodging before I was attacked—I had no coppers, and I put my hand in my pocket, and pulled out my money, and put it back again—the prisoners saw me, and they took me

outside—I fetched a policeman, who apprehended them—I chose the wrong man—Horrigan lodged in the house—I paid for my lodging—I gave the gentleman a shilling—that was in the nine shillings—the three prisoners were in the room—I did not pull my money out then.

Cross-examined by Horrigan. I cannot tell you how many were present—there were several besides you three in the kitchen—the policeman asked which one it was, and I screwed the wrong one—he did not say "Walk round; is it this man? Is it that man?"—he asked me generally—I did not say it was the militiamen—I did not tell the Magistrate so.

Cross-examined by Burke. I did not say that three militiamen had got my money—I said at the police-court that you put a handkerchief in my mouth—the policeman asked if anybody present witnessed the taking of my money—I said the deputy saw it taken—it was taken outside the door—the deputy was not then in the corner of the room, he was outside.

Cross-examined by Mahoney. You are a stranger to me—Horrigan took these trousers off the kitchen form—I had another pair on.

WALTER TURNBULL . I am deputy lodging-house keeper at 6, Pitfield Street, Hoxton—on 5th April the prosecutor was in the lodging-house, and the prisoners and two others, one not in custody, assisted in robbing the prosecutor—Rider had stopped there about a week before—Horrigan came to the gate and knocked at the window, and said "Open the door"—I went out to the gate, and he said "Open the gate," and I said "I will open it for you, but I don't want the other four," and he said "No, they ain't coming in"—the men outside were Horrigan, Burke, Mahoney, Palmer, and another—I saw the prisoners drag the prosecutor out—I mean Horrigan and Burke—Mahoney was there, and assisted in laying him down, and dragging him out in the passage—I opened the door—Horrigan pushed a red handkerchief in the prosecutor's mouth—Horrigan was at his head, Burke was on his left side, and Mahoney on his right—the man not in custody was at his feet—Burke and Mahoney appeared to be rifling his pockets in the passage, just outside the kitchen-door—I have no doubt the prisoners are the men.

Cross-examined by Horrigan. I refused Palmer a lodging—you held the gate with your feet, and allowed the four men to pass in—there were five in all—Palmer and another man, not in custody, were there—you asked me to take your 4d. and let you go to bed, and I said "You can go and get a lodging with. Palmer"—Palmer punched me—I was not fighting Palmer when the policeman came in—the policeman did not ask me to pick out the man who did it—Rider accused the wrong man—when the policeman came one of the men said "Nobody has done the robbery," and: a man picked up the form and hit him on the head with it—he did not say "Nobody in the room has done the robbery"—I did not give you in charge nor want to—Rider said it was a militiaman—the militia chaps had gone to bed—Burke and Mahoney tried to rob me, only I had put the money away, and I told the inspector.

Cross-examined by Mahoney. I did not want to have anything to do with it—I took the shilling from the prosecutor after you had done with me.

Re-examined The prosecutor was lying with his head to the door—the militiamen had gone to bed previous to the row, and Rider had com in before it took place.

THOMAS CHANDLER (Policeman G). On 6th April, about 8. 30 p. m., I went with Turnbull and another officer r into a public-house at the corner

of Pitfield-Street, Hoxton—I saw the Turnbulls, and charged them with stealing 9s. from a man in the lodging-house about 1. 30—Rider was not present then, but he charged them—Horrigan and Burke made no reply—Mahoney said "I was not there"—at the station, when the charge was taken, he made the same reply—the other two prisoners said nothing.

Cross-examined by Horrigan. I sent for assistance to take you—another man was charged with being concerned in an assault upon Turnbull, but was let off because there were no marks of the assault—Palmer was detained at the station a short time till the case was investigated.

PHILIP WILLIS (Policeman G 439). I took Burke—he said "You have made a mistake; I know nothing about it; I was not there at the time."

Witnesses for the Defence.

THOMAS DILOWAY . I am a sailor, of 6, Pitfield Street, Hoxton—I was in the kitchen when the prosecutor said he was robbed—nobody got hold of him to my knowledge—three militiamen were in the kitchen—they had him in the corner a few minutes, and he accused them of taking his money—he said he lost 9s. and they had it—the policeman asked him, and he told him the same—the police asked him if he could identify any of the men, and he said "No"—he offered a pair of trousers for sale to one of the men, who gave them to him back again—I believe it was Horrigan—I do not know how the prosecntor got the 9s. that time of night.

Cross-examined by MR. HUGGINS. I cannot say there were three militiamen—I know there were two—they went out of the room about 10 minutes before the police came—I know the prosecutor by sight—I did not see the militiamen do anything to him—they were sitting at the end of the table—I did not take particular notice—the noise roused me up—the prisoners were then near the door, two sitting down and one standing up—I did not see the militiamen then—I saw the prosecutor give the deputy a shilling to pay for his lodging—the prisoners were there when I went in—I roused myself up between 1 o'clock and half-past, and went into the kitchen by myself, some people were there, including the three prisoners and the militiamen—I went and sat at the other end of the table and took no particular notice of them—I was in that position about a quarter of an hour or 20 minutes, when I was roused up by the prosecutor saying he had lost 9s.

JOHN MILLER . I am known as John Palmer—I am an asphalter, and live at 77, Burton Street, Hoxton—I was in the kitchen when this robbery was supposed to take place—I saw three militiamen there—the prosecutor accused them—the police asked him if anybody in the room robbed him—he said "No"—the police asked if there was any witness of the robbery, and there was no answer, and they walked out, and you walked out with them.

Cross-examined by MR. HIGGINS. I knew the three militiamen personally—they had been living in the same house—I went in first about 12. 30—I saw Diloway there about 1 and 1.30 and 2 o'clock—he lives there and I live there—I had been there about an hour and a half, and came out at half-past one—Diloway was then in the kitchen, and the prisoner had come in—the prisoners came in with me—I have known them two or three weeks—I know Rider by sight—he came in about half an hour after us, I believe—Diloway was lying down in the kitchen next to me—


I was sitting down on a bench opposite the fire—he was on the bench—Horrigan was over on the other side down in front of the fire—the militiamen were outside when the row occurred—Burke was near me—the militiamen were sitting round the table before they went out—I did not notice them—I saw Rider come in half an hour after I was in—Turnbull was then in the room—I did not notice Rider go out of the room—I saw him in the passage—I did not take particular notice—I do not know who went out of the room with Rider, nor who stayed in—I did not notice Burke go out, nor anybody—I did not take much notice what happened.

BURKE received a good character. NOT GUILTY

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-58
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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474A. INNOCENTE REZZONI (27) PLEADED GUILTY to indecently assaulting Jane Macrow.— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Monday, April 30th, and Tuesday, May 1st, 1888.

Before Mr. Recorder.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-475
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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475. EDWARD DAVIS (21) , Robbery with violence on George Hammersley, and stealing a watch and chain from his person.

MR. WOOD GATE Prosecuted.

GEORGE HAMMERSLEY . I am a caretaker; on 10th January I was living at 85, Aldgate-Street, and about 7. 30 I was going home; there was a very thick fog, and when I got opposite Wells' public-house a number of men surrounded me, three or four came in front, hustling me—I tried to burst through them but could not; I shouted "What the devil are you up to?" and stretched out my arms, and my gold watch and silver chain were snatched away, value 5l. Cross came up and the men went away.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. My coat was buttoned, but you might perhaps see the T-piece of my chain in my buttonhole—it was very foggy, but you could see to cross the road—no one was passing till after the watch was plucked.

WILLIAM CROSS . I am a lamplighter, I was in High Street, Whitechapel, about 7. 30, and saw Taylor, McCarthy, Donovan, White, and Hennessey, who have been convicted here, standing outside Wells' public-house—Hammersley was pinioned against the wall, and the prisoner came up, tore his coat open, snatched his watch and chain, and gave them to McCarthy—I told Hammersley that the man with a scar snatched his watch—one day in March I saw the prisoner in White Lion Street, and pointed him out to Candler—I had known him previously.

Cross-examined. I have seen you with people who have been convicted—I did not try to stop you because there were 13 of you—I was about half a yard from you.

WILLIAM MEW (Police Sergeant). On 10th January I was outside Wells' public-house about 7. 10, and saw the prisoner and a number of others standing outside—it was very foggy—I passed on to the station, and then heard of this offence, and tried to find the prisoner—I knew him well and am sure I saw him there.

Cross-examined. You were with Taylor, McCarthy, Donovan, Henessey, and a lot of others who have been convicted since—I did not watch you because I had business to do at the station—I always suspected you because I know you—I did not hear of the robbery till 11 o'clock—I have seen you with very bad characters in Fashion Street.

By the Court. He has been convicted of stealing watches and chains before, he had 21 days' hard labour at Woolwich for stealing a watch, and a month's hard labour as a rogue and a vagabond.

THOMAS CANDLER (Policeman G 441). On 15th March, about 9. 45, Cross pointed out the prisoner to me in White Lion Street, I took him and told him the charge, he said "Have not you had made a mistake in the date"—I said "No, I don't think I have—the men who were with him ran away—I took him to the station, he said he knew nothing about it.

The prisoner then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction at Epsom, 10th October, 1887, of stealing a watch and chain.

GUILTY . **— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-476
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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476. EDWAED SULLIVAN (20) , Robbery with violence on Edward Hubbard, and stealing 15s. 6d. his money.

MR. WALLACE Prosecuted; and MR. HUTTON Defended.

EDWARD HUBBARD . I am a labourer, of 50, Newman-Street, Oxford-Street—on 15th April, about 1. 15,1 was in Tottenham Court Road, I had a ham bone wrapped in newspaper—at the corner of Stephen Street some girls came from behind me and knocked it from under my arm—I said "Don't waste it; it is for my breakfast to-morrow morning and my wife's"—the prisoner and five or six men set on me—I called out "Police; "two policemen came up and they all ran away except the prisoner; they told him to get away and he went—I stood with the prisoner five or six minutes, and then, thinking I was safe, I went on, but at the corner of Percy Street out came the prisoner again, and hit me on my mouth, tripped me up, and over goes I on my back—two more men were with him, they kicked me on my ribs and got on top of me, and I felt the prisoner's hand in my trousers pocket, where I had 15s. 6d.—it was safe after I was attacked the first time—they got up and ran away, I kept my eye on the prisoner, he ran down Percy Street, I ran after him calling "Stop thief!" and when I got a little way down I found a policeman holding him.

Cross-examined. I never saw the ham bone again—Stephen Street is about 70 yards from Percy Street, where they all three ran out, and the prisoner hit me and tripped me up—I was kicked while I was on the ground—I struck the prisoner in the chest—I just got hold of him, but let go when I was kicked—it was 12.55 when I left my father-in-law's house—I had been to my club, and had some drink there—when the constable was holding the prisoner I charged him with stealing the 18s. 6d

HENRY FLETCHER (Policeman D R 48). On 15th April, about 2 a. m., I was in Percy Street in plain clothes, and saw the prisoner running towards me—he ran against another man, and fell on the kerb—I got hold of him, and said "What is the matter?"—Hubbard came up, and said "I charge this man with robbing and assaulting me"—an officer in uniform came up, and we took the prisoner to the station—he said "Search me, I have not got anything on me"—nothing was found on him.

Cross-examined. Hubbard charged him with assault and robbery, but said nothing about the 15s. till he got to the station—he was sober—the prisoner gave a correct address.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I was coming round Percy-Street by myself, when the prosecutor got me by my collar, and said 'You are the one that got me down;' he turned me round and

knocked me down on the back of my head and cut it open, and got away; I ran away, and halloaed 'Stop thief!' A man held me till a constable came."

E HUBBARD (Re-examined). I had a watch and chain on; they were not taken. Witness for the Defence.

AMY HAINES . I live in High Street, and go out cleaning—I have known the prisoner five years—he had been at my father's house on the morning of 15th April, and he was walking with a young girl, and I was a few yards behind them—I saw nothing happen between the prosecutor and the prisoner—we walked right down Tottenham Court Road, and left him at Clayton Street at 1.55 by the jeweller's clock in Tottenham Court Road—I did not see him speak to anybody—I saw him walk down Cornwall Street.

Cross-examined. I heard something about a ham-bone that night—I did not have a conversation with a policeman after that—the occurrence with the ham-bone took place two doors from Stephen Street—the prisoner lives on the floor above me—after I went home I went out again—I went upstairs, and my sister said he had not come in—he did not go in with me.

Re-examined He is a shoemaker; he bears a respectable character.

By the JURY. The prisoner threw a ham-bone at me—he said "I have got a ham; don't waste it; there are 2 lbs. of ham for you"—I picked it up, and said "What have you done this for? I don't know you"—he said "It is all right"—I saw a policeman after that, who said "Get away," and he said "We know all about you; you are a lot of bitches; you had better go home"—I went home and came out again, and found the prisoner in custody in Percy Street.

GUILTY . — Nine Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-477
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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477. WILLIAM BROOKER (18) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Robert Letley, and stealing 89 cigars, his property.

MR. LYNES Prosecuted.

GEORGE GARDNER (Policeman E 270). On 6th April, at 2 a. m., I was in Eagle Street and saw the prisoner and another man—I stopped him at 40, Eagle Street, a common lodging-house, and said "What have you got under your coat?"—he said "What do you mean?"—the other man ran away, the prisoner attempted to follow him, but I seized him, we scuffled, and this box of cigars (produced) fell at his feet—I took him to the station with the cigars—he said he knew nothing about them.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. The box was not there before; it fell from you in the scuffle—I had noticed that your coat was bulky.

ROBERT LESLIE . I am a tobacconist and dining-room keeper, of 109, High Holborn—I was called by the police about 3 a. m., and found a pane of glass a quarter of an inch thick, in front of my house, had been first cut and then broken—I have no shutters—these cigars were safe in the window at a quarter to 12 when I went to bed, and the window was fast—I live over the shop—a man could put his hand through the broken window and take the cigars.

FREDERICK CROSS (Policeman E 353). On 6th April, about 3 a. m., I found Mr. Leslie's window broken, and called him up—I had seen the window all right three-quarters of an hour before.

The prisoner in his defence said that the other man dropped the cigars and that he never had them.

GUILTY He then PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction at Newington, in January, 1887, in the name of William Sykes.— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-478
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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478. MARIA ANN BLACKWELL , Feloniously marrying Edward Hardy, her husband being alive.

The prisoner stated that she wasand the Jury found that verdict.— GUILTY , Eight Days' Imprisonment.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-479
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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479. WILLIAM SMITH (25) , Unlawfully attempting to break and enter the dwelling-house of Edward Andrew Pearson, with intent to steal.

MR. TAYLOR Prosecuted.

ROBERT RANDAL WILLIS . I am manager to Mr. Pearson, a general dealer, of 265, Mile End Road—on 16th April I fastened everything up safely and went to bed about 11.30—I was disturbed by my dog barking about 2 a. m.—I got up and then heard a policeman's whistle and a ring at my bell—I let in several policemen with the prisoner and another man—there were marks of a jemmy on the door, outside near the jamb and between the two folding doors.

WILLIAM LEEDOM . I belong to the Mile End Fire Brigade, and live at the fire-station—about 1. 45 a. m., on 17th April, I was leaving the station and saw two men standing under the fire-alarm bell; one had his foot up—I had not gone far before there were two others behind me; not the same men—I dropped a screw-driver, and in picking it up I had a look at them, and the two men I left at the station were at Mr. Pearson's door, one on the other's back—I told a policeman, and when I went back he had arrested them—I went to the Thames Police Court next day and identified the prisoner out of eight others, as one of those outside the station door.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I said at the police-court that I only swore to you to the best of my belief.

WILLIAM SMITH (Policeman T 180). On 17th April, Leedom gave me information about a quarter to 2, and I took off my cape and walked on till I came in sight of Mr. Pearson's shop—I got within 10 or 15 yards of it, and saw the prisoner and another man outside; I watched them for several minutes and was attempting to get nearer when some one on the other side whistled, and they walked away—I followed them, they crossed the road and came back on the other side, crossed again, and one of them dropped this jemmy—I took them both in custody; they were very violent and the other man escaped—I rang Willis up and found marks on the door, which I compared with the instrument—the prisoner said "All right, you know I am not the one that dropped the jemmy. "

Cross-examined. I saw you at the door; I did not see a man cross the road and speak to you.

By the JURY. I had not picked the jemmy up when I arrested the prisoner—I took him back, and after I picked it up he said "You know, I am not the man that dropped the jemmy."

ALFRED BAILEY (Police Sergeant T 9). On 17th April I examined Mr. Pearson's door, and about half-way up there was a mark 3 inches long with the woodwork broken away, and an inch higher another mark which the jemmy exactly fitted.

The prisoner in his statement before the Magistrate, and in his defence asserted his innocence.

GUILTY Six Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-480
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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480. GEORGE BORRETT , Indecently assaulting Emily Bevan.

MR. MUIR Prosecuted; MR. BESLEY Defended.


OLD COURT.—Wednesday, May 2nd, 1888.

Before Mr. Justice Smith.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-481
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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481. JAMES WHITE (65) was indicted for, and charged on the Coroner's Inquisition with, the wilful murder of Margaret White.


THOMAS BERTHOLI (Police Inspector B). I have made this plan of 1, Eden Place, Chelsea—it is drawn to scale, and is correct—it accurately shows the position of the furniture in the room occupied by the prisoner, and the position of the house.

CATHERINE WHITE . I am the wife of David White, living at 36, Ives Street, Chelsea—the prisoner is my father-in-law—he is about 65 years old—his wife, Margaret White, was about 67 years old—they lived together at 1, Eden Place, Chelsea—the prisoner worked there as a shoemaker, and occupied the front parlour on the ground floor—on Saturday, 3rd March, I went with the prisoner's wife with some boots to Balham, to leave them with some customers—on leaving them 12s. was paid for them by the customers—we got back to Eden Place about half-past 12 in the middle of the day—just before we got back to Eden Place, we went into the Star and Garter public-house—the wife had half-a-quartern of gin and some bread and cheese there—that was the first drink she had had that morning so far as I know—then we got back to Eden Place—the prisoner was sitting on his bench—he was not working at that moment—after we had been in the room a minute or two he said he should like a pint of beer—the wife said "James, I think you have had enough already, where did you get it?"—he said "I have taken a little job home, and I spent the money"—his wife began to cry, and gave him 2d.to get a pint of beer—he went to fetch it—I saw him come back with the beer—his wife was then sorting the boots out of a sack, about 18 pairs—she showed him the boots, there were some to mend and some to cut up—the prisoner said' "Never mind those, I will see to those afterwards"—he gave the wife a glass of beer first, and he drank the remainder—none was given to me then—shortly after, the prisoner said he felt very bad, he did not know what was the matter, he said he felt so bad he must go and lie down—I said "Do, Dad, and I will cover you up"—I took his arm and led him to the bed, he lay down, and I covered him up with a great coat—at that time the wife was still occupied with the boots: she was crying very much—she gave, as a reason, that the work in the house would not go home to-night; that was the first week they had had any work for several weeks—I said "Don't fret, Mother, let him sleep a little while, and when he wakes up he will go to work, don't disturb him"—when the prisoner went to lay down on the bed, he seemed ill or strange—his eyes were very large, and his face very pale, his eyes were bloodshot—I thought he had been having something to drink, a good drop—shortly after he lay down I left the house to pay Mrs. Mayhew a shilling—I only had to cross the road—I went back to Mother

and said good-bye—she was sitting in the same chair—I was only two or three minutes out—she was quite sober then; that was about a quarter past 1—after saying good-bye I left* saying I would come back directly my husband had had his tea—about 5 o'clock that afternoon Mrs. Spinks came and said something to me, and from what she said, I and she went back to the house—when I got into the room, I saw the wife was lying on the bed on her left side—I tried to speak to her, to rouse her—she had a dreadful blow round the eye on the right side of her head—I touched her face and found it very cold—the prisoner was sitting on his seat where he works—he had some work in his hand, a boot—after trying to rouse the wife, I said "Father, what has happened between you and mother?"—he said "She aggravated me, and I paid her"—he seemed very wild at the time, dreadfully wild—he was raving and stamping about, and roaring very much—stamping his foot and roaring out very loud; he did not roar anything particular, only making a noise, no words—I said "I think Mother has had a fit, we had better have a doctor"—he said "No, she is only shamming, she can speak if she likes"—after that he said "Aren't you going to give me a pint of beer now you are come?"—I said "Yes, Father"—I took the can to get the beer, but instead of getting the beer, I wont for Dr. Lehaine—he came and attended to the deceased—after I had touched her face I did not notice her move at any time—I was in the room when Dr. Lehaine came—when the prisoner saw the doctor and me he became very violent; he threatened to brain the doctor with the poker, and me for fetching him—he said his wife was only shamming, she could speak if she liked; and I went and hid all the fireirons in the cupboard.

Cross-examined. I married the prisoner's son David—I have known the prisoner about 16 years—most part of the time X have lived near him, and have seen him almost every day, every week at any rate—he has frequently complained of pains in his head, and suffered with very profuse bleeding at the nose—I have often noticed a strange wildness in the prisoner's eyes before, when he was sober, particularly when he was in a temper—he has very frequently threatened to cut his threat—my husband also suffers from the How of blood to the head, and both my children suffer the same—one is eight-and-a-half and the other five-and-a-half years old—both the father and mother of the prisoner died from that, and the prisoner's brothers are the same, both suffer from it; one is dead, the other is in America; I don't know if he is dead—two or three weeks before 3rd March the prisoner threatened to cut his throat—that was at a time when he was quite sober—he sometimes broke out into violent fits of passion, with very little reason, if his tea was not ready; he then said he would cut his throat and have done with it—his general demeanour was that of a kind, affectionate husband and father—when I last saw the woman alive, about 1, she was perfectly sober—she suffered very much with her eyes all her life; she was almost blind—she had only once taken a little refreshment when out with me—when I came back at 5 the prisoner knew he had beaten her, but did not know he had injured her so far—I did not know she was dead; I thought she was in a fit till the doctor came—there were no signs of breathing in her; she was on her side on the bed—I could only see the side face—he was dreadfully violent and raving at that time—after the doctor came he continued raving, and his daughter, my sister-in-law, had to hold him—the doctor declared after a while that

she was dead—he had to get the prisoner quiet, and after he got him quiet he told him his wife was dead—he appeared to disbelieve that, and said she was shamming; he knew her long enough; she was only obstinate—I was only away from the house a few minutes before I came back with the doctor—I pretended to go for the beer, but really meant to go for the doctor—when first I got back at 5 the prisoner was repairing a boot in the same room as the woman was, and when I got back with the doctor he was still doing so, and said "Where is the beer?"

Re-examined Now and again the prisoner would have a drop of beer—sometimes he would get the worse for liquor—he used to work very hard as a shoemaker—he carried on that trade from a boy; he was apprenticed; he was a good workman—that was the way his living was made, and he was well able to do it—the last year he only mended boots—he was a dreadfully passionate man; it was soon over ordinarily—I have never known him actually attempt to do anything to himself—his stamping and raging lasted about half an hour; that was a long time, an unusual time for him; he was unusually angry that afternoon—he was apt to get passionate after drink—if he slept after drink he was very passionate when he woke—he was able to repair the boot; he had one tip nearly done—the old lady would have a drop with her husband now and again, but she was a sober woman ordinarily; she would have what she had with the prisoner—she was a very quiet woman as a rule.

THOMAS JAMES SPINKS . I am nine years of age, and live with my father and mother at 65, Pulford Street—my mother is the prisoner's daughter, the prisoner is my grandfather—I used to go and see him every Saturday at 1, Eden Place, Chelsea—on the Saturday, 3rd March, on which my grandmother died, I went to the prisoner's house; I got there from 2 to half-past—I went into my grandfather's room; he was on the bed then asleep—my grandmother was there on a chair—I spoke to her, and gave her a little sum of money that had been sent to her by my mother—I then ran away to play—after that my grandfather came out to call me back to the house—he wanted me to make the tea—as a rule my grandfather or grandmother did it; I did not do it as a rule—he went into the house first, and I followed him—my grandmother was still in the room there when I got there; she was sitting on the same chair—I got the tea ready; I made it—after that my grandfather said to my grandmother "I want some bread"—she said she had not got none, no money—he then got up and threw grandmother off the chair; she fell on the floor against the table—I got frightened then, and ran out upstairs into Mrs. Healey's room—while up there I heard sounds of quarrelling coming, from my grandfather's room.

JOHANNAH HEALEY . I am wife of Thomas Healey, living at 1A, Eden Place, Chelsea, first-floor front room—the prisoner lives on the opposite side of the passage of that house, underneath—he has lived there a great many years—on Saturday, 3rd March, I was in my room, about the middle of the day, between 1 and 2 o'clook, and I heard some talking—Mr. and Mrs. White were speaking; Mr. White said "Give me the money; what have you done with it?"—Mrs. White said "James, I have paid my way with it"—I then heard Mr. White say "You had a right to come to me first"—after that I heard a noise like a falling about and a shuffling; a noise of persons moving about or falling, and moving of furniture, a noise like that—I heard Mrs. White say "Oh, James, don't"—after that I did not hear the prisoner say anything for

time, it was very quiet then—after I heard "Oh, James, don't," the boy came up to my room; I called him up, and after that I heard them shoving and quarrelling, and arguing one with another—I noticed the prisoner's voice, all I could hear him say was about the money; she had a right to come to him and give him the money—I sent the boy for a constable; the constable came and went to the door—I did not look into the room—I heard the constable say "What is the matter? If I hear any more of this I must take you into custody"—the constable went away after saying that—later in the afternoon (I could not say the time, I was very ill at the time) I saw the prisoner going up the court carrying a can; I did not speak to him—I saw him again that afternoon in the passage of our house; nobody was with him; he was going out into the back yard—I did not see him come in from the back yard; I saw Mrs. White go across and fetch Mrs. Mayhew, she came back with her—later in the evening some other constables came.

Cross-examined. There could not be a more kind or affectionate husband on earth than the prisoner—I lived in this house four or five years with them, and I knew them before as neighbours—I have known him 26 or 27 years—I believe he has been married 41 years—I have had daily opportunity of seeing the terms on which they lived; there could not be a happier couple—she had a serious illness, bronchitis, some years ago, she had suffered from it on and off for some years; he nursed her always as well as he could, always got up in the morning and got her a cup of tea.

REBECCA. ROBSON . I live at 66, Sidney Street, Chelsea—I am single and am a housekeeper—on the afternoon of 3rd March I went to Eden Place to get a pair of boots that the prisoner had been mending—I got there about a quarter past 3—when I got into the passage I noticed that the door of the prisoner's room was a little ajar—I looked into the room and saw there Mrs. White, the prisoner's wife, lying on the floor with her head towards the bed, and her feet were towards the fire—the feet were a little drawn up and the face downwards a little—she was on her right side—I did not see the prisoner when I first looked into the room—Mrs. White had nothing on but a black dress bodice; the body-part without the skirt; no skirt, no petticoat—the body was perfectly naked with the exception of the black dress bodice—her arms were through the arms of the bodice—there was a chair standing in the room with a towel on it—I did not notice any woman's clothes in the room—I heard the prisoner mutter from the bed "I suppose there will be no more work done to-day; they must come and fetch their things"—then the prisoner called to the deceased to get up—he was lying on the bed—I heard him say "I will see if I don't make you get up"—there was no movement whatever from his wife—he sprang from the bed and took the poker from the fireplace—I knocked at the door quickly and the prisoner told me to come in—I then pushed the door a little further open and saw the prisoner standing at the feet of Mrs. White with the poker in his hand—he hit her a tremendous blow, a heavy blow, as near to the left hip as I could say—I said "Oh, have mercy, and don't hit the poor creature with the poker"—he said "I don't care if I kill her"—I said "I will fetch a policeman"—he said I could go and do so; he said he supposed someone had sent me—I said oh, no; I had come for the boots—he then replied I would not get them; they were not done—I then went away—if I had seen a policeman I should have sent one there; I did not see one—the prisoner

was very excited; he was holding the black part of the poker in his hand; I specially noticed that—he hit her with the round knob of the poker when he hit her on the hip—I saw him strike three blows; the first was a very heavy blow, the other two were not quite so heavy—the first was on the hip, the second and third were about the same place—after the second blow the wife groaned a little—she did not get up nor move—when I went away I left the door open—I was there nearly 10 minutes as near as I can guess; it was a quarter past 3 when I went there.

Cross-examined. I have known them for some little time—they have been in the habit of doing repairs for me—I have known him about 12 years—I had always known him as a very quiet and peaceable man—he did not give me the idea of a person who was drunk on this occasion, rather that of a person who had been suddenly seized with a paroxysm of passion—I expostulated with him, and then he said he did not care if he killed her.

WILLIAM SWINDEN (Policeman B 481). On 3rd March I was on duty in the Fulham Road—about 4 o'clock in the afternoon the boy Spinks said something to me, and he and I went to 1A, Eden Place—he stopped outside—I went into the prisoner's room—the door was closed—when I got in I saw deceased lying on the floor in front of the fireplace on her right side—she was dressed—I only saw her face; there were no marks on her face—I considered her to be asleep—the prisoner was lying on the bed awake—I asked him what the disturbance was about—he said there was no row—he said "I want to get her up on the bed," pointing to the deceased;" she is drunk, and she will lie on the floor to sleep"—I looked at her, and considered her to be asleep—I did not wake her or disturb her—I told the prisoner not to make any disturbance, to keep himself quiet, and I left the room—I noticed the furniture in the room; it did not appear to be disturbed at all—the prisoner appeared to be quite sober—when I went away I left him on the bed as I found him—Mrs. White was lying with her feet towards the window, on her right side, with her face to the fireplace—his work-bench is under the window—her head was towards a chest of drawers opposite the window—her back was towards the bedstead—she was lying lengthways of the fender.

LOUISA MAYHEW . I live at 4, Eden Place, and am wife of Walter Mayhew—I have known the prisoner and his wife the last 14 years as being near neighbours—on 3rd March I was in my house about half-past 4, the prisoner came to me—he called out "Mrs. Mayhew"—I said "Yes, Mr. White, come in"—he said "No, I won't come in"—I then went to the street door, and saw him standing there—I asked what he wanted—he said, I want you to come over the way to help my old woman on the bed; I have very nigh settled her"—I went across with him to Mrs. White, and went into the room with him—I saw his wife lying on the floor on her left side, her head towards the bed and her feet towards the fireplace—I could not say how near her head was to the table; I was excited—her head was clear of the bedstead, nearer the leg of the table—she had on her bodice and chemise, her petticoat lying underneath her, a red petticoat—it was stripped open all the way up, torn right open, and all the chemise and bodice were wrenched open, she was naked to her throat, the bodice was undone, her breasts and everything were bare—the chemise was stripped open all the way up, torn right away, and the petticoat in the same way—part of the petticoat was lying under her—I said "Mr. White, what have

you been doing of?"—I asked her first if she could speak—she could not; there was no answer—I touched her hands; they seemed quite cold—her hip was very much discoloured with bruises, and her left hand was very much swollen and discoloured—I said to the prisoner "Mr. White, what have you been doing of?"—he said "I don't care; she should have done what I wanted, and got me a cup of tea ready"—he asked me if I would try and rouse her—I said "I can't; there does not seem any life in her"—he said "She can get up if she likes; she is only shamming it; will you help me up on the bed with her?"—I said "I can't, she is too heavy; she has no power in herself; I must fetch some help"—he said he would not have anybody in, if I could not do it myself I could go—she was placed on the bed by the prisoner and myself together—the prisoner again asked me to try and rouse her; he still would have it that she was only shamming, that she could get up if she liked—he said as he could not have any tea he would have some beer—I said "You don't want anymore beer"—he said he would have a pint of beer—he then took the can and went and fetched a pint of beer—during his absence I went over to my husband—I came back before the prisoner with the can of beer—he sat down and drank it—there was a pint of beer in the can; that would cost 1¾d.—he sat on his work-seat—I did not notice whether he drank the beer or not—he lit his pipe and smoked—he then said "Can't you rouse her, Mrs. Mayhew? Try and rouse her"—Mrs. Spinks came and looked through the window with her little boy; that was about 5 o'clock—the prisoner looked very wild in his eyes, but he seemed to walk straight; he did not seem in drink at all; he looked very strange in his eyes—he was there when Mrs. Spinks came in—I said to her "Fanny, look what your father has done to your poor mother"—I pointed out Mrs. White lying on the bed, and also the bruises—Mrs. Spinks asked me to stay while she went for her brother or his wife—Mrs. Catherine White came back with Mrs. Spinks, and then she went for a doctor—I was there when the doctor came—the prisoner raved at him very much—he said she did not want a doctor, and if he did not go out of the place he would pay him, and the one that fetched him—that was meaning the daughter-in-law, and Mrs. White also—Dr. Lehane examined the body, and then went away—I was there later on when the constables came, from a quarter to half-past 7—I was not there all the time; I had to go over to my baby.

Cross-examined. The prisoner did not seem to think his wife was dead—the very first moment I saw him when I went in, I was struck with the wild appearance of his eyes—I have known him on and off for 14 years—they were a very happy couple when not in drink; they never quarrelled; I never saw any blow struck or anything at all, all the time I have known them—they both drank, but Mr. White more than Mrs. White—I could see a little speck of blood on the left side of the head through the white hair.

Re-examined I found no money on the deceased at the time.

FANNY SPINKS . I live at 65, Pulford Street, Pimlico, with my husband—Mrs. White was my mother—I heard that something had happened at 1, Eden Place on 3rd March, and in consequence I went to my parents' house—I got there from 5 to half-past 5, I should think—I saw my father sitting on his stool at his work-bench doing something to a boot—my mother was lying on the bed, and Mrs. Mayhew was standing by the side—I did not see my mother move; I spoke to her, and she gave a

sort of groan—I remained by the side of the bed for some few minutes after the groan I heard no sound from her, and saw not the slightest movement—the prisoner said she had come home drunk, and he had paid her—the doctor was then fetched—I stopped in the room from the time the doctor left till the police came—during that time the prisoner was on his bench-stool doing something to a boot, trying to do it.

CATHERINE WHITE (Re-examined). I found money on Mrs. White—when I came in at 5 o'clock the deceased was on the bed with some clothes laid over her, covered over her—she had on a black bodice and a chemise, part of which was torn—her red petticoat was underneath her—I did not notice it—if there had been no clothes laid over her she would have been quite naked, except a black bodice and a chemise—she had received 12s. for the boots she left—on the way back she called at several places to pay sums of money—I don't know exactly how much she had left when she got home; she had not paid all the 12s.—on 17th March, a fortnight afterwards, I was in the room they occupied, and saw David White find this purse which my mother had had on 3rd March—there was 3s. 2 1/2 d. in it—that made the money right within 8d. or 8 1/2 d.—when the prisoner went out to get the can of beer he took 6d. from the 1s. 6d. his daughter sent over by the little boy.

DANIEL LEHAINE . I am in practice 21, Pelham Crescent—I am a Doctor of Medicine and a Master in Surgery—on 3rd March I was called to 1, Eden Place, to Mrs. White—I got there about 10 minutes to 7—I found Mrs. White lying on the bed—the prisoner stood up when I went inside the door; I think he was sitting on the stool previously—when I went in he said there was no doctor required; that she could speak if she liked; she was only shamming—I examined her body; she was dead—the body had partially cooled; it was not quite cold—I should say she had been dead about a couple of hours—there was a small incised wound on the left side of the head, above or behind the ear—there was a small quantity of dried blood stuck between the hairs—there was a discolouration of the skin of the right eye and nose, an abrasion of the skin over the left eye and left cheek, and a discolouration of the skin around the left ear, and in front of the left ear—there was a punctured wound on the back of the left hand; the hand itself was very much swollen—the right hip had several recent contusions; most of them ran into each other—all the bruises I have spoken of were recent—that was the result of my examination at the time—after I had made it the prisoner asked me if she was dead—I said "Yes"—he said "A b—y good job, too"—he said "Fetch me my coat and I will go to the, police-station"—he then asked for some beer, and some person supplied the money, and he went to fetch it himself—when I first went in he was in a very highly excited condition—I should think he was sober—he swore at me and said he did not want me there, and threatened to brain me with the poker—he did not seem to realise that he had killed his wife at that time—some money was given him and he went away with the can—he returned with the beer, and I left almost immediately after without saying anything to him or he to me—I sent for a constable—on 6th March I made a post-mortem examination of the body—I again examined the bruises—I found some old discolourations on the left hip and left thigh and legs—I removed the whole scalp—where the wound was on the left side there was extravasation of blood resting on the bone, and the bone itself was fractured underneath the blood—the fracture was

an inch and three-quarters long from front to back, and an inch broad from above downwards—the bone was depressed and broken into several smaller pieces, the whole thing was depressed—on raising the depressed portion of bone I found blood resting on part of the dura mater—I removed the whole of the skull, and found the dura mater was pressing on the brain inwards—the vessels of the pia mater I found gorged with blood—I attribute that engorging to the external pressure, and I attribute death to that depressed fracture of the skull—there were probably two blows with the knob of a poker, because the fracture seemed like that. (Describing it)—they were nearly semicircular fractures; the sound bone came down to the fractured bone—either one of these pokers would produce it—I thought this was the one, but either could cause it.

Miss ROBSON (Re-examined). I cannot say with which poker I saw him hit his wife on her hip.

DANIEL LEHAINE (continued). Supposing a woman had been hit one or two blows I should say she would become unconscious directly—in my opinion some considerable violence must have been used to inflict such an injury to the head—the injuries on the hip might have been caused by the fists, or the other discolorations by a series of falls—the hip discoloraticns could have been done by a poker—I examined other organs of the body; they were healthy with the exception of the lungs.

WILLIAM DAVEY (Policeman B 389). On 3rd March, about a quarter past 7, I got a message from Dr. Lehaine, and went with another constable to 1, Eden Place, where I found the body of Mrs. White lying on the bed—the prisoner was sitting in a chair smoking his pipe—I asked him who had Killed the woman—he said "I did"—I then cautioned him—he then made this statement to me, which I took down in writing in the form of a report after I got to the station—I signed it—I asked him who had done it—he said "My God, I settled her; she would not do as I wanted her, so I hit her three times on the head with the soft end of the poker; that is the knob"—after he made that statement I took him to the station—on the way there he said "We have lived happily together for 41 years, but if she had done as I told her I should not have killed her; I suppose the Old Bailey will be my lot"—he was taken, and after he was charged he made a statement to the inspector, which I took down—I did not read the note afterwards, and could not say what that was—when I arrested the prisoner I found these two pokers together in the cupboard by the side of the fireplace—on the knob of this long one there were marks of blood.

DANIEL LEHAINE (Re-examined). When I got there at 10 minutes to 7 the body was on the bed—it had on some kind of a loose bodice and a chemise, and an old cloak was thrown over the lower part of the body; that was loose—I did not see a red petticoat; if there was one it was underneath her—if nothing had been thrown over her, the body, with the exception of what was covered with the chemise and black bodice, would have been naked.

THOMAS BEHTHLI (Re-examined). About 8 o'clock on the evening of 3rd March I was on duty at the police-station, King's Road, Chelsea, when the prisoner was brought in by Davey, and was detained in the reserve room—I went to Eden Place, and there found Mrs. White's body—I went back to the station, And while the prisoner was being put into the dock I said to him "I suppose you know what you are going to be charged

with"—he replied "Wilful murder, I expect; it was not wilful, though; it was done in the heat of passion, she got drunk"—then he was charged with wilfully murdering his wife by beating her on the head with the poker, and after the charge was read to him he said "She came home drunk after she came home from Balham, and laid on the floor, and I tried all I could to persuade her to lie on the bed; she would not, and I pulled all the clothes off her, and I beat her with the poker because she was obstinate. When she would not get up I beat her about the head with the poker; that is how she got to be killed. Of course I am sorry for it, but it is no good saying that now"—I noticed some blood on his left hand, which appeared to come from an old wound which I noticed there—it seemed to be an old one, not freshly done—he was sober, but my impression at the time was that he had been drinking in the earlier part of the day—he did not seem then, at 8 o'clock, to realise; he exhibited the most utter indifference.

CHARLES ROSS (Police Inspector B). On the evening of 3rd March I was on duty at King's Road Police-station—after the prisoner had been charged he made a statement, which I wrote down, and which is attached to the depositions—he signed it. (This was read as follows: "She came home drunk and laid down on the floor, and I tried all I could to persuade her to lay down on the bed, and I pulled all the clothes off her, and beat her with the poker, and that is how she got killed, and when she would not get up I beat her on the head and body with the poker. I am sorry for it now, but it was done in the heat of passion. ") The statement was entirely voluntary.

GUILTY. —The Jury strongly recommended him to mercy on account of his age and want of premeditation. DEATH .


Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-482
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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Cross-examined. Rowland did not pay me any money—I did not let the shed to him—I was the landlord to the other man.

Re-examined I do not know who the other man was.

HENRY CHOWN . I am a licensed victualler, of 44, Hamfrith Road, Stratford, where I have stables—I let a portion of them to Mr. McLean—I retained a key of the stables—on 13th February last, about half-past 8 p. m., I found the stables had been broken open—I had locked everything up—I found the lock had been pushed back and Mr. McLean's horse and phaeton, and all my harness, and his harness and brushes, and whips and lamps gone—I prosecuted two men at Chelmsford, who were convicted and sentenced, one to five and one to 12 years' penal servitude.

JOHN MURRELL . I am a decorator, of 28, Augusta Street, Poplar—on 1st February I was in Mr. Pondman's shop—the prisoner and another man came in, and the prisoner asked Mr. Pondman if his shed was to let—Mr. Pondman said "Yes," and to me "Will you take the key, Murrell, and show the gentleman the shed?" and I said I would—I went' and unlocked the door, and we went in and looked about the shed, and the prisoner said it was a larger shed than one would think—then we began to talk about who should clean it up, and I said no doubt if he asked Mr. Pondman about it he would do it—the conversation lasted five or 10 minutes—I have seen the prisoner there repeatedly—he was to attend to the horse, which was put in a day or two after they took the shed—he brought it out—it was a tall horse—he told me he had bought it at Romford, and had given 3l. for it—on the Monday following the Wednesday that they took the stable another horse came—it would be about the middle of February—I have since heard it was Mr. McLean's horse—it stayed there till the police came and asked me about it, a matter of 10 days or so—the police took the horse away on 2nd March—Rowland had not told me anything about this horse; it had all its hair cut off, and its mane was clipped off too, and its tail was cut off—I should say it had been clipped all over—I did not see Rowland do anything with the horse, but I heard them in the shed—the horse looked as if it was starved, and I used to see it put out its tongue to catch the droppings of snow-water from the cracks—I have a little shed that runs parallel to this shed—there is only a small partition between them, so,

that I could look through a crack into their part—both men disappeared suddenly before the horse was taken away—the prisoner had the key—I only saw Kettle, the other man, open the door once—I knew Kettle by sight, seeing him with the prisoner.

Cross-examined. There was not much decorating to do in January and February, and I had a good deal of spare time—I am positive I saw two horses in the stable, I said before the Magistrate, "I should say they had three horses there"—I would not be positive about three, but I would be positive there were two, one at a time.

JAMES SMITH (Policeman K 113). On 1st March I was at Chelmsford when Kettle and Thomas Harding wore convicted of stealing a horse and phaeton, the property of Mr. McLean, and also of stealing a set of harness the property of Henry Chown. From information received I went to Grundy Street, Poplar, on 2nd March in company with P.O. Grigsby—It was the day after the trial—I went to the rear of No. 18, and forced the door of the stable—I found a cob and phaeton, three whips and several other things, and Grigsby conveyed them to West Ham Police Station, where they were identified by Mr. Chown and Mr. McLean—on 2nd April I went to Bow Station where I saw the prisoner detained—he was placed with five others and identified by Pondman and Murrell, as being at the stable where the property was found—I told him he would be charged with being concerned with two other men who had been convicted of stealing—he made no reply—he was taken to West Ham police station and charged—he said nothing there.

Cross-examined. This was on 2nd April about 7 p.m.—Detective Mellish had met him that morning—the phaeton came about the middle of February about the same time as the second horse.

GEORGE MELLISH (Detective Sergeant K). At 11. 30 on 2nd April I saw the prisoner in Bishopsgate—I said "Rowland, you are wanted upon a charge at Bow station"—he said "It is a mistake then, I have not been to Bow for the last month"—on the way to the station he said "What is the charge against me then?"—I said "I do not know the particulars, it is for being concerned with Jemmy Kettle and another man in stealing a horse, a phaeton, and some harness from Stratford—he said "I have known Kettle for some years, but I know nothing about stealing the horse and the things you mention"—I took him to the station and handed him over to the officer Smith, who had been engaged in making inquiries in the case—I afterwards searched the prisoner's lodgings at Maroon Street, Limehouse Fields—I found this pair of gloves and a revolver cartridge—he said "I have been living with my uncle at Peckham, "Isaid "Where?"He said "With old Thomas at the Orchard."

Cross-examined. I brought the cartridge here because I found it at his house—I found no revolver—the cartridge has missed fire—Smith was sent over to the station, and I think he arrived between 6 and 7—the prisoner gave me his address as Maroon Street, but no number—I found it without any difficulty.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I used to mess about for Thomas Kettle. He gave me two or three shillings when I was not at work. I used to work at the stable, where he used to come and fetch

me from my house. Other times I worked at the docks. That is all I have to say. I used to job about for him."

GUILTY of receiving, He also

PLEADED GUILTY**† to a conviction of Felony at Epsom Petty Sessions in May, 1886.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-483
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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483. WILLIAM SAUNDERS (22) , Stealing a coat of William Brown MR. HUTTON Prosecuted.

WILLIAM BROWN . I am a labourer of 24, Rosher Road, Stratford—on 4th April I was at work at Meeson's Wharf, Stratford—I went there about 3. 30 p.m.; I took off my coat and hung it on a nail in the wall—this is the coat (produced), I missed it about 7 p. m.—a man named Clay made a communication to me—I saw my coat the next morning in a coffee-shop in possession of the police—I did not lend it to the prisoner nor give him or anybody the least authority to take it—he did not ask me to lend it—I know him as "Windy Saunders."

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not tell you after breakfast you could have the coat in the afternoon—I saw you in the coffee-shop and after the officer brought you on the wharf.

WILLIAM CLAY . I am a labourer of 109, High Street, Stratford—I work at Meeson's wharf—I was there on 4th April at work—I saw the prisoner leaving the wharf with this coat on (produced)—I knew to whom the coat belonged—the prisoner did not have his own coat on—I spoke to Brown five minutes afterwards about it—the prisoner had his own coat on about twenty minutes before—I did not see him take the coat—I met him with it on—I could swear to the coat.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not notice whether you were intoxicated—I saw you between 8 and 9 p.m. with it on—you were then on the wharf—Brown had gone home then without his coat.

JOHN SANDYS (Policeman K 169). I am stationed at West Ham—on 5th April I received information about 8. 30 a. m., and went in search of the prisoner—I found him about 9 a. m. in a coffee-shop in the High Street—he had this coat on, and I told him he would have to go with me to Meeson's Wharf for stealing that coat off the wharf—I took him there and saw Brown who identified the coat—the prisoner was charged—he said the man lent him the coat.

GEORGE JUDGE . I am a Lea Conservancy constable—on 5th April, from information received, I went in search of the prisoner—I found him in a coffee-shop in the High Street—he was wearing the coat produced—he was taken into custody—he was not employed at the wharf, and had no right to go there—there is a notice up that no one is allowed there except on business—I did not know then that the coat belonged to Brown. The prisoner's statement before the Magistrate was—"I am generally knocking about the wharf, doing odd jobs. I asked him to lend his old coat for an hour or two. I do not know whether he said yes or no, but I put it on and wore it, and I was at the wharf afterwards. I had no intention of stealing it."

The prisoner added in defence that he had been drunk all the morning, and put it on, but as soon as he became sober and found he had it on he watched to see the prosecutor to give him his coat, and stopped there all night till the officer turned him off in the morning.


He also PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony at Clerkenwell, in February, 1885, in the name of George Williams.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-484
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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484. JAMES CLARK (24) , Stealing a purse and 14s. 1d., the goods and money of Mary Ann Bell from her person. Other Counts, for harbouring the person who stole the goods and money, and for receiving the same.

MR. TAYLOR Prosecuted; MR. PURCELL Defended. MARY ANN BELL. I live at 4, Forest Lane, Stratford, and am unmarried—on 6th April, about 6 p. m., I was in High Street, Stratford—I had this bag in my hand, with a purse in it containing a sovereign, a half-crown, three sixpences, and sevenpence in copper—I don't think the bag was open—a man came round me and passed me in front and went off the pavement—I was walking on all the time—in a minute or two he came round me again, and pushed right against me, and I looked round and saw my bag open and my purse gone—I saw the man ran, and I called out "Stop thief!"—that man was not the prisoner—I first saw him after the witness caught him—I went to the station, and charged him—this is the purse; I identified it at the station.

Cross-examined. I found my purse was stolen between Chapel Street and Bridge Road—the trams stop on the bridge—I lost my purse the length of this Court from where the trains stop—there were lots of people in the street—the man ran off towards Stratford, the other way from where the trams stop—he ran in the road—I called out "Stop thief!" and that attracted attention, and other people ran—I did not see the man go on to the pavement—the witness caught him, and immediately there was a cluster of people of people round him—I did not see precisely what occurred at the moment—I did not see the prisoner till I came up to the crowd and saw him detained.

Re-examined The witness caught hold of the man that ran away with the purse—that same witness had the prisoner in custody when I first saw him.

By the JURY. The termination of the trams is at the Swan.

JOHN LEFORT . I am a labourer, living at 5, Wandsworth Road, Stratford—on the afternoon of 6th April, about 6 o'clock, I was at High Street, Stratford, standing at the top of the Bridge Road, about five minutes' walk from the church, where the trams start and stop, talking to a friend, and. I saw a man come in front of the prosecutrix, open her bag, take something out of it, and run away—I followed, and caught him—I asked the man (the prisoner was there and could hear it) what he had taken from the lady's bag—he said he had not got anything—then I saw the prisoner and the other party that took the purse with their hands together—I again asked him what he had taken away—he said he had not got anything whatever—I caught hold of the prisoner, and asked him what he had taken from the other man—he said he had not got anything—I did not see anything in his hand—he pointed on the ground, and said it was lying on the ground—this purse, wrapped up in a handkerchief, was lying on the ground—I detained the prisoner till the constable came, and I went to the station with him—the other man disappeared altogether, directly I caught the prisoner, after the hands had been together—I did not see anything more of him.

Cross-examined. I stopped the thief not above two or three minutes' walk from where the lady was—a good many persons joined in the chase after the thief, who was in the road—the prisoner was close to him the instant I stopped the thief, so that he almost ran into the prisoner—I saw their hands together, but I could not see anything in the hands of

either—I collared the prisoner, and then he pointed to the purse lying in a white handkerchief—I never accused him of taking the purse from the thief—I heard him say at the station it was a mistake—I held him while I picked up the purse—there were plenty of people round him then.

Re-examined When the prisoner met the man running away a pretty few people were running after him—I did not hear cries of "Stop thief!" nothing of that kind—I heard the old lady shouting—their hands were together as if passing from one to the other—I had not hold of the prisoner at that time; this took place immediately before—I had not hold of the thief when I saw their hands together.

ROBERT DIXON (Policeman K'442). I am stationed at West Ham—on 6th April, about 6 p.m., I was in High Street, on duty—I saw the prisoner detained by the last witness—I asked him why he was detaining him—he said he saw another man pass a purse to the prisoner—when I asked the prisoner for the purse he said he did not have it—he was in the road—Lefort showed me the purse; he had it in his hand when I came up—he handed it to me—when Lefort showed me the purse the prisoner said it was a mistake—I told him he must go to the station; he did so—the prosecutrix charged him—he said he never stole it—he had a handkerchief, not the one round the purse, another one.

MARY ANN BELL (Re-examined). It was not my handkerchief round the purse—the money is safe.

JOHN LEFORT (Re-examined). When I saw the purse on the ground it was by the side of the man that escaped—it had a handkerchief round it.

GUILTY of harbouring and receiving. The prisoner then

PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction of felony at this Court in April, 1883.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-485
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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485. ALFRED WRIGHT (19), WILLIAM HARVEY (18), and THOMAS CLARKE (17) , Breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Charles Blackwell, and stealing 32 herrings.

MR. MOORE Prosecuted.

CHARLES BLACKWELL . I keep a fishmonger's and poulterer's shop in the Park Road, Leyton—about 3 a. m. on 2nd April I was aroused by a knock at the door—I went down and saw a constable, who made a communication to me, in consequence of which I inspected my shop—I found two of my shutters were taken down, and were lying against the others—I missed 16 pairs of kippers in a box from the shop—they had been on the counter, about four feet from the window—I went to Mr. Shenstone's premises with a policeman, where I found about 15 pairs of kippers on the floor, and no box—I last saw my kippers safe on Sunday night at 12 o'clock—before I went to bed that night I saw my house was properly closed, and that the shutters were up; I always do—my man put the shutters up, I am certain—I identified the kippers as mine at the station and at the police-court—I have not recovered the box.

DAVID LEWIS (Policeman J 102). About a quarter to 1 on Monday morning, 2nd April, I was on duty in Manor Road, Leyton; I saw the three prisoners coming towards me from the direction of the prosecutor's shop, towards Lea Bridge Road—they passed by me; I took no notice of them except to notice their appearance—about half-an-hour

afterwards I passed the prosecutor's shop—I was trying the doors and windows of the shops—I found two shutters down and up against the others—with those shutters down they could get the kippers, for the window was not fastened, it was open, with the shutters up outside—I went to the corner of Manor Road, came back to the shop and saw another policeman, who made a communication to me—I went to the hoarding outside Mr. Shenstone's lawn tennis ground, and in a pavillion there I could hear talking—I went up to the road, through some unfinished buildings, and got over a fence about 11 feet high, with the help of Lee, into the grounds—we both got over—I opened the door of the pavilion and saw the three prisoners—I asked them what they were doing there—Harvey said they had only come there to sleep—I said to Wright "What is your name?"—he said "Wright"—I said "Where do you live?"—he said "Walthamstow"—I said to the other two prisoners "Where do you come from?"—they said "Woolwich"—I said "Whereabouts?"—they refused to give me any further address—I said "I should take them into custody for being on these premises for the purpose of committing a felony"—on looking round the pavilion I saw a number of kippers lying where Harvey had got up from—I got the assistance of another constable in Lea Bridge Road by blowing my whistle, and I took them to the station—on the way there I had hold of Harvey; I said to him "What about this fish?"—he said "I don't know, it will take you all your time to find the box"—I took them to Harrow Green Police-station, and searched Wright—in his coat-pocket I found one of the herrings—I then told the inspector in their presence that most likely there would be a charge of house-breaking against them as I had found the shutters down at the shop—I had not told them that before—they made no reply—I went to Blackwell's shop, and then we went to where we took the prisoners from about 150 yards away—we found there sixteen pairs of kippers, which the prosecutor identified.

ALBERT LEE (Policeman J 452). About 1 o'clock on the morning of 2nd April, I was on duty in Manor Road—I passed by Mr. Shenstone's lawn-tennis ground, and heard an unusual noise, I stopped to listen, and could hear someone talking—I waited there till Lewis came up, and we stopped a few minutes, and could hear talking—we went through an unoccupied building to the other side—I helped him over the fence—he went and held the door, and whistled for me, and I got over—he opened the door, we went in, and saw the prisoners lying under the table—I heard Lewis's evidence, I corroborate him—I heard Harvey say "It will take you all your time to find the b—y box."

The prisoners in their defence said that they found the kippers lying in the road, and put them in their pockets, and that as it was too late to go home, they went into the shed to sleep.


Wright then PLEADED GUILTY*† to a conviction of felony in May, 1887, in the name of Alfred Johnson. Harvey*† to one in April, 1887, in the name of Edward Button, and Clarke to one in April, 1887, in the name of Miles.— Ten Months' Hard Labour each.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-486
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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486. MICHAEL SCHVEPF (19) PLEADED GUILTY ** to stealing a coat and handkerchief, and 6s. the goods and money of Andrew Schvepf, having been convicted of felony at Peterborough, in May, 1887, in the name of George Harvey.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-487
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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487. WILLIAM NEWMAN (21) Stealing 30 thimbles and a glass case, the goods of Henry Wayland and another.

MR. WARBURTON Prosecuted,

ARTHTUR DALTON (Detective). I am stationed at West Ham Lane—on 20th March, at 6.45 p. m., I was in Stratford Broadway, where I saw the prisoner with two other men—I watched them; they went along the High Street, to Mr. Wayland's jeweller's shop—the prisoner went into the shop on tiptoe, one of the other men went into the doorway, and the third one stood outside looking in the window—the prisoner suddenly left the shop, and the three men crossed the road, went down the mews, and were down there a few minutes; they came out, loitered about, and then the prisoner went in the shop again, while one of the men stood in the doorway, and the other looked in at the window; suddenly the prisoner left, carrying something in a handkerchief—I ran across and seized two of them; I was tripped up—the third man ran round to the back and took the articles under the handkerchief—I got off the ground and ran after the prisoner, who was running away—I called out "Stop thief"—Constable 533 ran after him about 600 yards, and he was stopped in Angel Lane by a private individual—I said to Constable 533 "Tate the man to the station"—I went back to Mr. Wayland's shop, and he came to the station—I was watching the prisoner and the other men a quarter of an hour or 20 minutes before I pounced on them.

THOMAS MCINTYRE (Policeman K 533). On this evening I was on duty in Stratford Broadway—I heard a cry of "Stop thief!" and saw the prisoner running past me—I joined in the pursuit, and followed him to Angel Lane, where he was stopped—I said I should take him into custody—he said "Why do you want to take me into custody? I have done nothing"—I took him along; on the way he said "Don't take me to the station; take me to where it was done."

HENRY PINTO WAYLAND . I live at 380, High Street, Stratford, and carry on business in partnership with James White, as a jeweller—about a quarter past 7 on this day Dalton came to my shop and made a communication to me—I looked about and missed a case of silver thimbles—I went to the police-station and there saw the prisoner, whom I identified as a man I had seen in my lobby five to ten minutes previously—I charged him with stealing the things—he said he was standing in the lobby and some man came up and asked him for a cigarette or cigarette paper, and while he was talking to the man the constable pounced on him, and he described how he ran away.

Cross-examined. I did not see you attempt to take anything out of my shop.

GEORGE LEE . I live at 64, Vicarage Road, and am an assistant to Messrs. Wayland, jewellers—about. 9.15 p.m. on this day I was coming down High Street, Stratford, and at the corner of Williams' Yard I saw two men standing—they had this thimble-case—I took it away; it was empty—I knew it as Mr. Wayland's property—one of the men ran off.

Cross-examined. The man I caught hold of had a grey coat and was about your own height.

GUILTY He then

PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction of felony at this Court in May. 1886— Two Years' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-488
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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488. THOMAS SMITH (29) and JOHN SMITH (22) , Robbery with violence on Stephen Knell, and stealing his watch and chain.

MR. WARBURTON Prosecuted.

STEPHEN KNELL . I live at 4, Hooper's Road, Custom House, and am a fitter—on Sunday, 25th March, about 3.20 p.m., I went to a urinal in the East London Cemetery, when the two prisoners came in and Thomas Smith struck me in the face and knocked me about terribly while the other one tried to rifle my pockets—I halloaed for assistance and they tore my silver guard out of my pocket—I said "You are bad men to catch a fellow unawares like this"—they snatched the chain, and John Smith said "We have not got the watch"—their fingers were in my waistcoat trying to get my watch, but I kept it—I halloaed, and they ran away—Thomas had my chain; it was broken at the clasp—my waist-coat pocket was torn—I and the gravedigger, Wrench, ran after the prisoners; they had got Thomas down on the ground when I came up, I did not lose sight of him—then the policeman came up and I gave him into custody, and we took him to the station—John ran away, but they caught him afterwards and brought him to the station—he scratched my face and hit me in the eye—I had the struggle with Thomas—while I was charging Thomas, John was brought in—this is my chain—I lost a bit of it, and a key—I had a bruise on my face and a black eye and two or three scratches on my forehead, and a week after the accident one of my teeth broke off—I charged them both at the station.

RICHARD WRENCH . I live at 2, Victoria Road, Plaistow, and am a gravedigger at the East London Cemetery-on this afternoon, about 3. 80, I saw the two prisoners running, followed by others who were calling "Stop thief!"—Thomas Smith had a knife in his hand; it was closed—the other prisoner had an open knife, about 21/2 inches, in his hand—I caught hold of Thomas; we fell on the ground together, and he was on top of me—he bit me on the cheek, and the knife was drawn down close to my eye—Mr. Littler came and was squaring up to the prisoner—I ran up to him and we fell, and it was then the prisoner bit me and drew the knife close to my eye—I held Thomas till the constable came, and he was given into custody.

Cross-examined by Thomas Smith. The knife in your hand was shut—you drew the knife down where I was cut.

Cross-examined by John Smith. You tried to assault me with a Knife, I ran away from you and collared Thomas, leaving another grave-digger with you—I saw no bricks thrown—there are no bricks for miles round.

HAROLD WILLIAM LITTLER . I live at 22, Crescent Road, Upton Manor, and am secretary to the East London Cemetery Company—on this afternoon I was in the cemetery vestry; I heard shouting, went out to see the reason, and saw the prosecutor with blood running from the right side of his mouth—the prisoners were 20 to 25 yards away, running side by side—the prosecutor made a statement to me, and I ran after the prisoners—the last witness tried to stop John Smith—I got in front of Thomas who struck at me—Wrench got in front of me; I noticed a cut under knife in his hand, not open; I tried to take his hand—I noticed a cut under Wrench's right eye—we held Thomas Smith till the constable came up—he tried to bite me on this arm, but only managed to go through my clothes—I only identify John as the man running with the other prisoner.

Cross-examined by John Smith. I saw you having a tussle with one of

the other grave-diggers, Edward Flatby—he is not here—you got right away from him.

JOHN MANN . I am a labourer and live at 13, Gordon Terrace, Silver-town—on this day I was in the cemetery and saw the two prisoners running away—I ran after them, and all of a sudden they stopped when they saw two grave-diggers—after they got Thomas Smith down, John made his way over a fence into a ploughed field—I made after him; when he saw me coming he turned and made after me—I ran back again and he went on, and I followed him and kept with him all the time until the two grave-diggers came up to him, and I told him the best thing he could do would be to put his knife away and come with me—he did so, and I and another grave-digger took him to Barking Road police station—he had a knife open in his hand all the time.

Cross-examined by John Smith. I saw you standing by the crowd when Thomas was on the ground—I and two men picked up bricks and threw at you because you had your knife open—it was open all the time, from the time we got Thomas Smith down—a man came up and said "You make a great mistake, that is not the man"—that was one of your pals; I asked the same man to come and help me catch you—he advised me not to go because you had a knife—I said "I will follow the man," and some men came up and said we were accusing the wrong man—and I said "This is the man"—I saw two grave-diggers coming, and said "I will collar him now"—I kept with you all the time—you did not stop till I came up to you; you ran away—my companion wanted to fight you—I said "Throw the knife away"—I did not say "You have been knocking the old man about"—I said "Be like a man and come back with me"—I did not put a hand on you—you came in the station; you showed no resistance coming back—when we had Thomas Smith down you offered to stab me—you were flourishing the knife all the time—you offered to use it.

ALBERT EWALL (Policeman K 158). On this afternoon I was in the cemetery—I heard a cry of "Stop him!" and saw a crowd of men running—I saw Wrench and Thomas Smith struggling together and fall to the ground—when I came up, Wrench said "He has got a knife," and he took the knife out of his hand and gave it to me—the prosecutor came up and said "I shall give this man into custody for knocking me about and robbing me of my watch and chain"—the prisoner said "You have made a mistake, old man"—with assistance I took him to the station—afterwards John Smith was brought to the station by Mann and another—he was charged with being concerned with the other in stealing a watch and chain—he said nothing in answer to the charge.

Cross-examined by Thomas Smith. Wrench took the knife, it was not brought to me ten minutes after, half-way to the station—you denied that the knife belonged to you—I saw no knife in your hand; Wrench took it out of your hand and gave it to me—I saw him take it out.

Cross-examined by John Smith. I did not see you with Thomas Smith because you were gone—you made no reply when it was put to you—you did not say "If you look into the case you will find I am innocent"—the prosecutor charged you both with stealing his watch and chain.

John Smith in his defence asserted his innocence and said he had never seen the other prisoner before,

GUILTY Five Years' Penal Servitude each.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-489
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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489. JOHN HAMMOND (25) , Stealing a watch, the goods of Frederick Fredericks, from his person.

MR. GEOGHEGAN Prosecuted; MR. WILLES Defended.

FREDERICK FREDERICKS . I travel with theatres and shows—I have no private residence—on this day I was outside the Holly Tree, Wanstead—I was wearing a watch and chain—the prisoner broke my chain and took my watch, and passed it behind him to some of his confederates—I seized and held him till a constable came, and then I gave him into custody—I had never seen him before—when I took him I said "Give me my watch"—he said "I have not got it"—I am sure he is the man that took it.

Cross-examined. This was between 5 and 6 p.m.—I had been in the Holly Tree once and had a glass of ale—there was a crowd of people outside; there always is when there are large amusements; there were shows and swings and all sorts of things in front of the Holly Tree, and some were lower down on the flats—the people were pushing about—I swear the prisoner is the man who took my watch—he said "I have not got it"—I knew he had not got it because he passed it behind him to one of his friends—I have not seen it since.

By the COURT. I had not been in the Holly Tree a minute—I came there to see Mr. Parkes's wax-works, and we went and had a glass, and as I came out my watch was taken—that was the first glass I had had that day.

FREDERICK JOHNSON (Policeman K 389). On Good Friday I was on duty near the Holly Tree—at 5. 30 I was called opposite to the Holly Tree, where I found Fredericks holding the prisoner by the collar—he said "This man stole my watch; I shall charge him"—I said "Yes; who saw him steal your watch?"—he said "I did; he passed it to the confederate behind him"—that was in the prisoner's hearing—the prisoner made no reply there or at the station—I found on the prisoner four purses und two bags, all containing different sums of money, which he could give no account for—he had no loose money on him—he had also two bits of watch-chains, one silver and one brass—they were both watch-swivels.

Cross-examined. A lad called my attention to this, and said I was wanted—there was a large crowd there—this adjoins Wanstead flats, and there were thousands of people—the public-house stands in the main road against the flats—it was only open for bond fide travellers—the prosecutor was sober—he said nothing about not wanting to press the charge—I handed the prisoner over to another constable to take to the station—I had to protect the prosecutor from the violence of the crowd, who would have got him away from me.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I am


Witnesses for the Defence.

WILLIAM RICHARD HAMMOND . I am a mineral-water maker, and reside at 7, Radnor Street, 20 minutes' walk from Wanstead Flats—the prisoner is my brother—he is by trade a bookbinder, but the last two years he has been doing boot-repairing and helping me in my business—this is part of my swivel, which I bought of Mr. Wayland, High Street, Stratford—the other swivel I gave to my brother, but I cannot say where I got it from—this purse I bought of Mr. Stockdale, Stratford, and these other two my mother made; she is here—this fourth one is made of different material; we have

a pattern of it in Court—my brother has carried these with him for the last 12 months—one he used for ginger-beer money, another for boot-repairing money, another for his savings, and the last for household money to keep his wife and family on—his average earnings are 50s. to to 3l. a week—he has always borne a respectable character—Mr. Curwen gave him eight years' character.

Cross-examined. This silver chain is a broken link, and a watch swivel, the one I bought; the other is the brass swivel of a watch—my brother wears a watch and chain, but they are in pledge because of some bottles, and he was not wearing them on that day—both swivels were mine; I gave them to him—I was clearing out my box before Christmas, and I said "Here is my swivel," and he said "Give that to me, and I shall always have some silver with me"—he carried all his money with him; he would not leave his savings at home—he carried mine too; he kept all the money—I did not go to the station when he was charged—I did not hear that he made no reply when charged—I was about 20 minutes' walk from the Holly Tree on this day—my mother came and told me first he was in custody on the Saturday morning—I do not know why he did not send to me—he remained in custody all night without sending round to me, 20 minutes' walk off.

Re-examined He sent to his address, but the policeman said he could not find it, he had given a false address—it was only five minutes from the station—I am quite sure he gave the right address—we do not both live at the same address.

JAMES WOODS . I am a leather-seller, and Jive at 5, Bagot Road, Forest Gate—I have known the prisoner for the last two years as a thoroughly respectable tradesman—three of these purses are quite familiar to me; I have seen them almost for the last two years—on the Wednesday before the charge I served him with 30s. 6d. worth of stuff, and he paid me 5s. in coppers out of one bag, 15s. out of another, and 10s. out of the third—I allowed him discount—I swear I have seen the purses for the last 18 months on my counter—I have done a very good stroke of business with him for the last 18 months—he has always borne an honest and respect-able character up to the time he was charged.

Re-examined I did not see these two swivels—I am positive about seeing the purses for 18 months.


23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-490
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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490. CHARLES MULLALEY (24) , Stealing a watch chain of Francis Aaron from his person.

MR. MUIR Prosecuted.

FRANCIS AARON . I am a railway porter, of 21, Colpin-Road, Custom House—on 17th April about 9 p. m. I was in Liliput-Road, and saw three men, and the prisoner stepped out and seized my chain, tore it from my coat, and ran away; I pursued him; I lost sight of him for two or three minutes, and then two boys called out, and I saw him lying on the ground in Church Road, he got up and got over a wall, I went round and met him running. I called "Stop him!"—a young manran from a shop and stopped him, and they fell down—the prisoner is the man—there were plenty of lamps.

WILLIAM CALVERT . I am a pawnbroker's assistant—on 17th April, about 8. 30, I heard cries of "Stop him!" saw the prisoner running and stopped him—he fell but I did not. Aaron then came up.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not say at the police court that I fell with you in the struggle—you did not say "Leave go of me, I am not the man"—you were running, not walking—there were not several people ahead of you.

SAMUEL BLAND (Policeman 393 K). On 17th April I was in Freemasons' Road and saw Calvert stop the prisoner—he was thrown on the ground and held till I came up, and Aaron gave him in custody for stealing his watch-chain; he said nothing.*

Cross-examined. No one was running ahead of you.

The prisoner in his statement before the Magistrate and in his defence said that he was not running, and knew nothing of the watch-chain.

GUILTY He then

PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction at Chelmsford, in October, 1883.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-491
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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491. ELIZABETH PEARCE (32) , Feloniously wounding Louisa Marchbank, with intent to do her grevious bodily harm.

MR. MUIR Prosecuted.

LOUISA MARCHBANK . I live at 24, Whitman Road, West Ham—the prisoner lives in the same house with a man named Wallace, who is called Ginger—on 28th March the prisoner knocked for me to come—I went to her room, and Ginger was there—I said to her "You ought to be ashamed of yourself to have a man in this room, while your husband is out working for you at 4 in the morning to support you"—she took up a mug but she was stopped, and then she took up a black handled knife from the table—I felt no blow, and I do not know whether I was stabbed once or twice—I called out "Maria, I am being stabbed," and Maria came up—Ginger tried to prevent the prisoner, but she stabbed me over his shoulder—I have been under a doctors care ever since, and have still a stitch in my head—the prisoner's hand was not cut that I am aware of.

MARIA BENSON . I live in this house—on 28th March I heard Mrs. Marchbank call out—I went to her room and saw the prisoner strike her twice on her head with a knife—Ginger tried to prevent her, and took the knife from her.

SIDNEY WALLACE . I live with the prisoner at 24, Wightman Street, she is not my wife—on 28th March Mrs. Marchbank came to our room and said the prisoner ought to be ashamed of herself for having a man in the room—Pearce took up a mug to strike her, but put it down again, and took up a knife and struck her with it over my shoulder—they had been out drinking together all the morning—I took the Knife from her.

Cross-examined. Mrs. Marchbank did not take up the knife.

EDWARD HARMAN (Policeman 511 K). I was called and found the prosecutrix bleeding very much, she accused the prisoner of cutting her head with a knife—the prisoner said "It is a mistake, I did not do it"—I took her to the station, and went back and found this knife with blood on (Produced)

LOUISA MARCHBANK (Re-examined). This is the knife.

ARCHIBALD FINLAY . I am a surgeon, of Custom House Station, Victoria Docks—I examined the prosecutrix, and found three incised wounds on her head, about an inch long, extending to the bone; one of them divided a branch of an artery, from which she lost a good deal of blood—it might have been inflicted-with this knife; it would require

considerable force to go down to the bone—she was sober, but she had no doubt been drinking—she is going on all right.

The prisoner's statement before the Magistrate. "She had a piece of glass and as I was going to take it out for her hand she might have done it that way; there is no other way that I can account for. She rushed into the room as if she was mad."

Prisoner's Defence. She grossly insulted me.

GUILTY of unlawfully wounding.— Three Months' Hard Labour

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-492
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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492. JAMES WILLIAM SMYTH (36) , Unlawfully obtaining 16s. from Sidney Jacobs, and other sums from other persons, by false pretences.

MESSRS. BODKIN and MEAD Prosecuted.

SIDNEY JACOBS . I live at Gallon Lodge, Wanstead—on 14th August, 1886, the prisoner came and asked to be allowed to photograph my house: I approved of the negative—he then said "Will you have some copies?"—I agreed to take nine copies, and paid him 16s.; he gave me this receipt and left—I waited for them a fortnight, and then wrote a letters, and received this post-card. (From the prisoner, stating that he had had a lot of work spoiled by spots on the paper) I have never received the copies and never saw the prisoner again till he was at the police-court—this is the card he gave me on 14th August, "Mr. Smyth, Photographer 97 Spencer Road, South Hornsey, cash with negative or approved order."

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I am not aware that it is the rule for photographs to be for at the time they are taken—you asked some of my servants to be in it, and my lady said "We may as well have the whole of the family and the servants at the back"—I cannot swear that your wife did not send me the photographs, but I never received them.

WILLIAM BOURNE . I live at Maygrove Road, Brondesbury—in September 1886, I lived at Woodford, Essex and in September I saw the prisoner with a camera, taking a photograph of a neighbour's house—I asked him to take my house—he asked me how many copies I would take; I said "Two"—he said that they would be ready in 10 or 12 days, and gave me this card, "Mr. Smith, Photographer, 96, spencer Road"; he said he was in business there as a photographer—I gave him 4s. for the copies, but they never came—he gave me this receipt, 78—I or the money back.

Cross-examined. I saw a female—I do not know if it was your wife; it was about 1 o'clock in the day—on 10th October I told you, if you did not refund the money or send the copies I should take proceedings—I did not do so, thinking you might be in trouble; but when I saw your case I applied—I had your card saying that you would send them in a few days—you did not say you had a shop.

By the COURT. 96, Spencer Road, is a private house—I was told there that he only occupied one room.

LOUISA JANE RIPPEN. I live at 12, Grove Crescent, Woodford—in September, 1886, the prisoner came there with some photographic materials,

and said he was going to photograph the house for architectural or scientific purposes, and wanted the blinds put straight—he took my photograph in the back garden, and I paid him 10s. for six copies, which he said would come next week or the week after—he gave me a receipt, which I lost—he took two other photographs at the same time, my mother and my cousin, and I saw them each pay him 10s., making 30s. altogether—we never received any of the copies.

Cross-examined. If I had my photograph taken at a shop I should have to pay beforehand—the address you gave me was correct—I made no personal application—I do not know whether the pictures were sent and lost in the post.

ELIZABETH SAUNDERS . I am the wife of William Saunders, of 25, Trinity Square, Southwark—in July, 1887, the prisoner called and said "Will you adjust the blinds. I have been sent to photograph the Square, and if anybody would like to be done they can stand on the steps"—my daughter came, and he arranged us on the steps, and took a very good picture—I asked him the price—he said 2s., and a smaller one, which I wished to have, would be 1s.—he agreed to let me have six cabinets and one small one for 11s., which I paid him, and he gave me this receipt, No. 1,010, which he tore from a counterfoil—he said we should receive the copies in 10 days or a fortnight, but we never got them.

Cross-examined. I did not write for them—you said that you were doing it for a private firm.

ALICE MAUD GUARD . I live at 43, Gordon Square—on 13th August the prisoner came there, and said that he was going to photograph the house for architectural purposes—I asked him if I could have copies—he said yes, at 2s. each, if I ordered them at once, as the Society of Architects, for whom he was taking it, required him to deliver the negative that evening, and he had only the rest of the day to give me copies—he said that if I liked to stand on the balcony he would not charge any more—my sister and I stood on the balcony—he showed me the negative, and said that they were very good likenesses—I asked him how I should know that I should have them—he said "I did not ask you to have your photo taken; I am not taking this for myself; I am taking it for an architect, and you came and asked me"—I asked him if he had a photographer's shop—he said "Yes I have, at the address I have given you"—that was on the card, 38, Gopsal Street, Hackney—that address was on the receipt—I paid him 11s. 6d.—he said that I could not have any more after that day, and I said that I should like some more, and paid him 1s. 6d. for two more, making 13s.—he said that they would be sent within 10 days—I did not get them, and wrote, and received this postcard. (Stating that the photographs were delayed through the printer's illness.) I wrote again on 8th September, and got no answer, nor did my letter come back—I have never had the copies, or my money back.

Cross-examined. I called you because my servant told me about you—if your camera was not in front of my house it was very near—I asked you whether you had a shop; that was after I paid the money—you said "Yes; at the address on the receipt," and after that I ordered more.

By the COURT. I parted with money both before and after he gave his address—I said "Have you a shop where I can have my photo taken?"

JOHN SMITH . I am scullery man at Arthur's Club, St. James's Street—about September 16th the prisoner came to the back of the club, and said

that he was going to photograph some houses looking into the kitchen, because they were coming down—he asked if we should like our photographs taken, and I and five other servants were taken in a group—the houses were not coming down—we paid 1l. 3s. 6d. for nine copies, which were to be sent within a fortnight—two still-room maids also paid him 10s. 6d. each, but I did not see that—the address on the receipts is 10, Mary Street, Kingsland—we never got the copies—I afterwards met the prisoner—he said that the weather had been so bad that they could not get on with the copies—I saw Mr. Favilier, the chef of the club, pay the prisoner 1l. 10s. 6d.—I parted with my money because the prisoner promised to send the photographs.

BENJAMIN JENKINS . I manage a lodging-house at 39, St. James's Place—on 23rd September the prisoner called there, and asked that the blinds might be pulled down, as he was going to photograph the house for architectural purposes—I paid him 7s. for three copies, which he said he would send in a fortnight—he gave me this receipt—I never received them.

WILLIAM ROBINSON . I keep the Duke of York, Spitalfields—from May, 1886, to January, 1887, I lived at 96, Spencer Road, South Hornsey, and the prisoner occupied my two parlours, with his wife, at 5s. a week—he used to go out at 9 o'clock and return about 6—his wife did the printing for him—I have seen her make from six to eight copies a day from negatives.

JAMES PILE . I live at 44, Whitmore Road, Hoxton—in February, 1887, the prisoner took some unfurnished rooms of me at 5s. a week—he did not carry on business there as a photographer—he had no apparatus there.

JOHN SMITH . I am a butcher, of 38, Gopsal Street, Hoxton—in May, 1887, the prisoner and his wife lodged in my first-floor front room, at 3s. 9d. a week—I understood that he was a photographer—I saw no photographic apparatus—I was never in his room—he remained till September, and left no address—after he left two young women called.

ANNIE GRANGE . I live at 10, Mary Street, Kingsland—in September, 1887, the prisoner occupied my first-floor front room, at 4s. a week—he did not carry on the business of a photographer there, that I know of—I saw no photographic apparatus there, but I have seen photographs—I did not see him take out any apparatus in the mornings—his wife died about Christmas, and then he left without leaving any address—a few people came afterwards and made complaints.

AUGUSTUS SMELTZER (Detective C). On 7th March, I went to 84, High Street, Hoxton, and took the prisoner on a warrant—he said "I am not GUILTY"—I took him to Vine Street, and charged him, he made no reply—he occupied the second-floor back room, in which I found a small pressure frame, eight or nine inches long, and six or seven broad—that was the only piece of photographic apparatus which I found—he told me that since his wife's death his mother did the mounting and printing of the photos—I saw some unmounted photographs there in a lady's workbox—I have made inquiries in the neighbourhood, but cannot find any shop occupied by the prisoner.

Cross-examined. Your mother gave me these two packets of photographs (produced) after the remand.

The prisoner, in his statement before the Magistrate, said that he never repre

sented himself as having a place of business, but he gave his correct address that his wife did all the printing, and answered his letters, and if it had no been for her death, the copies would have been sent.—The RECORDER considered that although the prisoner might have made a false promise, he had not made a false pretence, and therefore did not call upon him for his defence.



Before Mr. Justice Smith,

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-493
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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493. SAMUEL NEWSOM (25), was indicted for feloniously personating a voter at the Deptford election.

MR. GEOGHEGAN Prosecuted; MR. H. C. RICHARDS Defended.

The prisoner was tried for this offence at the last Session (See Vol, CVII, page 808), and the Jury, being unable to agree, were discharged. The evidence as there given was repeated on this occasion.

GUILTY Recommended to mercy by the Jury.— One Month's Hard Labour.

Before Mr. Common Sergeant.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-494
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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494. JOAN BARRATT , Unlawfully wounding >Florence Lydia Barratt. Other Counts, for inflicting on her grievous bodily harm, and occasioning her actual bodily harm.

MR. COLAM Prosecuted; MR. HUTTON Defended,

FLORENCE LYDIA BARRATT . My father is Sydney Barratt, and the prisoner is my stepmother—I lived with them at 106, Court Hill Road Lewisham, until I was taken to the infirmary—on the morning of the day Mrs. Munyard took me to the police-station I got up at 6 o'clock and lit the fire—after that the prisoner came downstairs and told me to go out in the street—before that she slapped me on the face with her hand; I don't know what that was for—when she turned me into the street she gave me a piece of bread—I had not these clothes on then; I had no petticoats on; I don't know what had become of them—I 1st saw them a long time before—I used to wear them—my stepmother took them away after I left going to school; that was before Good Friday; I don't know when—my petticoats were not given back to me—I had on on this morning my chemise, stays, drawers, and frock—I was met by a girl, Rose Munyard, who took me to Mrs. Munyard, and she took me to the police-station, where I was examined, by a doctor, and then I was taken to the Infirmary and examined by another doctor—I pointed out to those gentlemen some marks on my tongue—they were caused by my mother shutting my mouth upon my tongue—she told me to put my tongue out, and when it was out she shut my mouth—that happened three times, on different days, a long time before I was taken to the station by Mrs. Munyard—it was more than a week—I also pointed out to the doctors some marks on my legs—they were done by my mother with the poker after she had put it in the fire—that happened at different times—she did not make more than one mark on the same day—those marks are on my legs here. (Pointing to just below her knees.) I have those marks still—once I went to bed for this burn on the side of my leg—that was worse than they usually were—I

also showed the doctor a bruise on my back when I was examined—that was caused by the poker; my mother did it—the poker was not hot then—I had a bruise on my arm, also caused by the poker.

Cross-examined. I know it was 6 o'clock when I got up, because I always get up at 6 o'clock—I have breakfast between 8 and 9 o'clock—my mother gave me some bread when she came down—my petticoats were taken away from me the last day I went to school, just before Good Friday—they were what I had on—I had no other clothes besides my chemise, stays, drawers, and dress—I had no others in my room—I slept in the same room with my sister—she had other clothes; I had nothing else—I think it was longer ago than a month that my mother made me put my tongue out and then hit me under the chin—it was on three separate occasions, not on the same day—there were a few days between each blow under the chin—it hurt my tongue very much, and made my mouth bleed—my father is always very kind to me—I did not tell him; and Miss Stevens, my aunt, who comes to stay at our house sometimes, is very kind to me; I did not tell her—I am sure these marks on my tongue did not happen through a fall—I did not fall downstairs through having a new pair of boots—I had a new pair of boots soon after Christmas—no one was present when the prisoner hit me under the chin on any occasion—my mother hit me 10 or 12 times on the legs with the red hot poker—the last time was about two weeks ago—I had my clothes and stockings on always when she did it—the poker burnt through the stockings on to my leg—I have a rather bad burn half-way between my knee and ankle, on the shin bone; the poker caused that—I do not remember sitting by the fire and getting a burn when my sister was there—I and my sister never used to sit in front of the fire—I used to light the fire—I left my home once or twice; that was not because I had taken some money—a policeman brought me back home once—I did not tell him I had taken some money—that is the policeman that brought me home (Tangrey)—I do not remember telling him that I had taken a penny—I remember that other policeman (Davis) bringing me home—I do not remember telling him that I had taken some money from my father and mother—I know Ardmer Road—I do not not remember the policeman coming up and asking me at 7 o'clock in the evening what I had done with the money—I did not say "I have had none"—he did not say "Don't tell a lie," and I did not say "Ihave only had sixpence"—he took me home—I did not then say I had had more than sixpence—I have had no boils on my legs; my sister had—she has had marks on her legs from those boils.

Re-examined I used to wear socks—I was wearing socks on some of the times when I was burnt—no doctor came to see me about these burns when I was at home.

By the JURY. I did not tell my aunt or father that mother burned me because she said she would be cross with me.

By MR. HUTTON. I made no complaint to the police about the burns when they brought me home, nor about my tongue.

REGINALD CLARK . I am a divisional surgeon to the police of Lee and Blackheath—on Thursday, 5th April, I saw the child Barratt at the Lee police Station—I examined her—I noticed a faint and yellow bruise, as if it had been done some time, across her shoulder, round the ribs you could hardly trace it—it was as if the child had had a blow from an instrument

—I don't think it could have been caused by a fall—I saw no other bruise—I did not strip her, but I drew down her stockings, and found about 11 marks on both legs; some of them looked as if they were marks or scars of old burns—there were three I have no doubt about—I should say they were caused by some instrument—I doubt if they could have been caused by falling on a grate—I cannot say about the others, they were very faint; they were scars—I could hardly say whether they were the scars of what had been open wounds, I did not examine the child very much then—if they were burns they must have been caused by some hot instrument—I could not see any marks of any boils—I sent the child to the infirmary—her condition was not good for a child of that age as far as I could tell.

Cross-examined. I did not see her for very long—boils are rare on the legs—we don't consider boils come so much on that part of the body—to the best of my belief I can only say three were burns—I don't know what the others were; I had no opportunity of examining them—a boil leaves a wound, and the wound leaves a mark—I doubt these being boils—I would not swear whether the slight mark was the result of a burn, boil, or stab—I would not swear these on the leg, with the exception of three, were not boils—if she had fallen against the hot bars of the fire, such wounds would not have been caused, because one is more indented, and a larger surface—I did not measure the wound on the shin bone; if that had been from the fire-bar, in my opinion there would have been a breach of the surface, and not such a scar—I doubt if the bar would have made such a mark as a poker, if she had been against the bar, and the bar was very hot, because she would have had other wounds elsewhere, and the wound I saw seemed to be a punctured wound, and if she had fallen against the bar it would have been a longer wound—I cannot swear to the length of this wound, I remember it was small—I have seen burns from molten lead, which burns into the skin; and scalds I have seen—I cannot now remember having seen burns from a poker or hot iron before—these are the first I have seen as far as I remember—this wound was just at the side of the leg.

Re-examined It was at the side of the calf, a little more towards the front than towards the back—if the child had fallen against a bar, the wound would have been a long-shaped wound—this is not long-shaped, it is more like a puncture—I did not see another burn behind the leg. Louis ROBINSON. I live at 162, High Street, Lewisham, and am surgeon to the Lewisham Infirmary—on 5th April, the child was brought to the infirmary—I first saw her on the 6th—I stripped her and made a thorough examination—on the right shoulder and over the whole right shoulder-blade was a large bruise; beneath the right shoulder-blade there was a smaller bruise—there were bruises on both arms, and also faint marks of bruising on the back, below the other bruise—there were scars on both legs; I counted 11, which I should think were caused by burns, some were more severe than others, and I should think they were of different date—I have no doubt whatever that some of them were burns—the more pronounced were four, one on each knee, one on the right shin, and the other on the external side of the left leg, about half-way down, on the side of the calf—the largest was on the right shin—I have no doubt whatever those were scars from burning; I am of opinion that the others were all from the same cause—I have had very large experience

in burns; I have seen them daily for the last two years—the very faintest of the scars might have been from boils—I could not tell what was the cause of the very faint ones, because they had been there a considerable time, and were not very severe—I should think there were three or four others, besides the four, that one could be almost certain were caused by burns and nothing else—I do not think the burns I saw could be caused by falling on the hot bars of a fire-grate, because they were a circular shape, as if some hot point had been put against the skin, not as if a bar were put against the skin—the bruises on the shoulder and ribs might have been caused at the same time—I could not say how, but by great violence—it could not have been caused by an ordinary fall against something—it is consistent with having been caused by a poker—I examined the child's tongue, and found a very deep scar across the care of the dorsum, I mean the part of the tongue seen when the tongue is put out; the scar was jagged, and I think had been caused by cuts from teeth at several times—it was not the kind of scar you would expect to find if a child fell—the tongue must have protruded very far to have been bitten through, and it must have protruded at the time the child fell, if it was caused so—it was quite half-way along the visible point of the tongue—I saw no kind of poisoning from dye in these wounds.

Cross-examined. The cut in the tongue was made by the teeth; it was the position in which the teeth would cut if the tongue was protruded about as far as a child could protrude it—the cuts were on the top of the tongue—there was one jagged, very deep mark, but I should think they were caused on more than one day, the tongue must have been almost bitten through—if the child had its tongue cut and had fallen it would not have been cut to such an extent—if the tongue protruded as far as it could it might be caused with very great violence to the chin—I counted eleven scars altogether, I think—two were specially vivid on the front of the right leg—I should think they were caused three to five weeks before; they were the most recent wounds—I think there was no stocking between the instrument that caused them and the flesh—it was done on the bare flesh, or else the stocking was burnt; I should think the child had no stocking on—I think a sharp point caused it—the corner of a bar would be a line, not the corner of an oven—the point must have been red hot, I think, because it would not have destroyed the skin unless it was—if hot enough to destroy the skin it would be nearly red-hot; then there would be no difference—if a pointed bar came across the bars it would be sufficient—some of the marks are very faint, it would be impossible to tell what they came from, I think.

Re-examined At the time I examined the child she was very badly-nourished; she weighed only 43lbs. on the 6th, and in the week she was in the workhouse she increased to 48lbs., and on the 8th she weighed 50lbs.—I was present when she was weighed—I have seen her this morning; she looks very much better, she has gained flesh and is better nourished—either she had no stockings on, or the instrument burnt right through them—the appearance is consistent with that—I think she had no stockings on, and that there was nothing between the instrument and the skin—I could not dispute it if the child says that on some occasions the stockings were burnt through—that might be with reference to the fainter marks—the tongue, when it was bitten through, must have

been out as far as the child could protrude it—I do not think the child could carry her tongue out as far as possible when walking or running downstairs. By MR. HUTTON. I would not call her exceedingly well nourished now—her face does not correspond with the rest of her body—she has improved in appearance—she has not much superficial fat on her body—she is with the other children in the workhouse and is treated in the same way exactly—they simply play about; I do not think they work—they have pretty good treatment, I think—she would look after another child there—whether the treatment affected the child much would depend entirely on how hard the work she had done before had been.

By MR. COLAM. Very frequently superficial fat remains about the face when there is nothing about the rest of the body.

JOHN R✗ES GABE . I am the medical officer to the London Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children—on 20th April I examined the child alone with Dr. Turner—I found several scars on both legs, which I thought were due to burns—fifteen days had elapsed since the other doctor examined her—some were very distinct and some faint—I am sure one below and one above the knee were burns—I found a bruise on the right shoulder blade, caused by a very severe blow—I found three separate and distinct scars on the child's tongue; they must have been caused at different periods by three different blows.

Cross-examined. I can only swear to two burns; I believe the others are due to burns—they are on the right leg.

Witnesses for the Defence.

DR. TURNER. I examined the little girl with Dr. Gabe—I saw a large number of scars—in my opinion they were due to sores—I could not swear whether they were from burns or not, but they looked more like from sores—one on the shin was decidedly from a burn; I could not swear what the other on the shin was from; they looked more like sores than burns.

Cross-examined. I mean scars of sores that had existed some time previously—they looked very like cicatrices of boils, all except the long one on the shin of the right leg—the one below the knee is distinctly a burn; the one above, in my opinion, is not caused by a burn—I did not see the bruise on the back; I was not asked to look at it—I saw three scars on the tongue, made at three different times, I should think; the one in the centre must have been caused by considerable direct violence, it was a deep scar—very likely by biting with the teeth—the farther one was far back—they were not all in a line straight across.

Re-examined If a person's tongue were protruded and he fell downstairs, and hit a hard substance, that would be sufficient to cause it.

by the COURT. A red-hot poker might have caused such a scar on the leg.

By MR. HUTTON. Any other iron substance, say the corner of an oven, may have caused it.

ETHEL BARRATT . I am eight years old, and am the step-daughter of the prisoner, and live at 106, Court Hill Road, Lewisham, with my father and step-mother—Florence is my elder sister—we slept in the same room together—the last day I saw her she got up at 6, dressed herself, and went downstairs—she put on her drawers, chemise, stays, and dress—she had petticoats in that room; she did not put them on—some time before she sat in front of the fire on a chair with me by her side; she burned her

legs; she did not tumble in the grate; her legs got all red, and then she burnt them—I do not remember how she burnt them—then she ran outside and called mamma—I have never seen my stepmother strike her with a red hot poker; she has never struck me with one; she has always treated me and my sister with kindness—I remember her falling downstairs—she had new boots on, and she was going downstairs, and she slipped—she then said she had hurt her tongue, and blood ran out of her mouth—my sister told me she took 6d. and 7d.

Cross-examined. She fell downstairs in September—no one told me to gay September—I am quite sure it was September—my sister had her new boots just before Christmas—she was sitting in front of the fire and got hot, so that her legs got red; nothing more than that.

AMELIA STEVENS . I am single—I live at Totteridge, near Barnet—the prisoner is my sister—I occasionally visit her house, and when I do so I generally sleep in the same room with the children—my sister's character as regards humanity has always been very good—I am sure this case is most cruel and unjust; she is most kind, and has treated both her stepchildren kindly—neither of them has ever made a complaint to me—while there I missed 6d. and 1d., which was loose in the pocket of my dress hanging in the room—Ethel had boils, and I saw the prisoner put plaster on her legs.

By the JURY. The dress hung pretty low and was turned inside out, the pocket was about a yard from the floor.

CHARLOTTE ANDERSON . I live at 9, Blissett Street, Greenwich—my husband is a French silk hat finisher—I have known the prisoner five or six years—I had apartments in the same house for two or three years, and knew her and her husband and children very well—she was very kind towards both the children—we did not know she was the stepmother till two or three weeks ago—Florence was most untruthful and dishonest, and I was surprised the prisoner behaved as she did, not being their mother—from what I know of her I should certainly not believe Florence on her oath.

Cross-examined. I have seen her stand and tell the most bare-faced stories; in fact, the cunning craftiness of her nature is far beyond her years—I lived in the house with the prisoner from 1883 to 1885, and I have kept up their acquaintance ever since—at one time I lived 10, and now I live 20 minutes from her—both children have been dressed alike—I was a personal friend of Mr. and Mrs. Barratt—they are both kind to the children; if he had corrected them a little more none of them would be placed as they are to-day; they seemed afraid to correct the child—the father is a shorthand writer, I believe; they are very respectable.

ROBERT DAVIS (Policeman P R 7). About 7 o'clock on the evening of 24th March I saw the girl Florence with a few other girls—I had information about her, and I asked her name and address—she told me—I asked her what she had done with the money she had taken—she said she had had none—I told her not to tell a lie, and then she said "I have only had 6d."—I took her home, and asked the prisoner if it was her child—she said "Yes"—she asked the girl what she had done with the money she had taken—she said "I have had none"—the prisoner taxed her closer, and she said "I have only had 6d.," and she said she had bought biscuits—when asked what she had done with the other money, she said ""I don't know"—I spoke in a kind manner when I said "Don't tell a lie."

Cross-examined. I never saw the child before to my knowledge—I have heard she was taken to the station once before.

GUILTY . — Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-495
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentencesImprisonment > penal servitude

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Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-496
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-497
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SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-498
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
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498. WILLIAM JAMES (18) and ALBERT MUSTY (16) to burglary in the dwelling-house of John Fuller, and stealing a number of cigars and other articles, and 2l. 10s., [Pleaded Guilty: See original trial image.] Musty having been convicted of felony at Wandsworth in December, 1884. JAMES— Six Months' Hard Labour. MUSTY Nine Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-499
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499. CHARLES WILLIAM JOSLYN, JULIA JOSLYN and CHARLES SPARLING , Unlawfully keeping a common bawdy house, to which Charles and Julia Joslyn.


MR. WALLACE Prosecuted.

SPARLING— NOT GUILTY CHARLES WILLIAM JOSLYN- Two Months' Imprisonment. JULIA JOSLYN— One Month's Imprisonment.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-500
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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500. ISAAC KATZ (52), and EMILE KATZ (18) , Stealing a clock, a pair of candelabra, a pair of jugs, and three busts, the property of Moses Samper.

MR. BODKIN Prosecuted, and the evidence was interpreted to the prisoners.

MOSES SAMPER . I am an importer of fancy goods, of Holborn Circus—on 3rd September Isaac Katz called on me—he said that he was dealing in antiques, and in furniture and china, at 4, Charlotte Street, Fitzroy Square—he selected goods to the value of 12l. 5s., and paid for them—on the same day he looked at a clock and candelabra, price 6l. 10s., and an ormolu set, some vases priced at 18l., and a bust of Antinous, an Ariadne 3l., a bust of Diana 3l. 10s., and another bust of Diana 3l.—this is the invoice—the clock and candelabra were on another invoice—he said he wanted the goods for a Club at the West-end which he had to furnish, and he wanted the goods to show

to the proprietors, and asked me to let him have them for three days to take away and show them to the Committee, and if they were approved of he would get the money at once from the Committee and pay me for them, and if they were not approved of they were to be returned—I sent them to 4, Charlotte Street on the same day—I saw him again, I believe, on the next day—he said "They have been approved of by the Committee, and I shall get the money very shortly, and I will pay you in a few days"—I saw him frequently at my office—he said that the Committee would not meet for a month—he said early in October, "I cannot pay you before because the Committee do not meet so soon"—I also saw Emile Katz at my office and pressed him for the account, because I had suspicion that the goods were not honestly got—he called first a few days after the first transaction, and after I had parted with the goods, it was early in September—he said that he had received a telegram which he showed me, saying that the money would be sent by the next post; I told him if it was not paid at once I should put it into the hands of the police, because a good many gentlemen had called for references which I did not like, as it looked very suspicious—he told me if I did not get the money the next morning to send for the goods, and I sent for them but did not get them—in the early part of November, when the month had expired, I called at 4, Charlotte Street, and found the place closed—I saw Mrs. Shepherd—I did not see the prisoners again till I saw them in custody—I have seen a bronze bust of Diana in the possession of Mr. James Smith, a pawnbroker. That was in the second lot of goods which I had sent on approval—I have seen the candelabra and the large vases in the possession of Mr. Jay, and the bronze jugs in the possession of Mr. Clark, of Hampstead Road; they were part of the first lot—all I have seen of the first lot is the bronze bust of Diana and the candelabra.

Cross-examined by ISAAC KATZ, through the Interpreter. When I came to your shop you introduced me to your partner, I do not remember his name—I very likely asked for Hanson and Katz—I came because I thought I was swindled—I came the first time to see the place; my manager sent me; you selected the goods from him in the first instance and afterwards from me—I sent the first goods by my partner, and you paid him 9l., and afterwards 3l. 5s.—I did not sell those goods to you—you never received the goods which you selected when I was in France—if the bill states that I sold the goods at 30 days with 21/2 per cent, off it must be so.

By the COURT. The prisoner is not speaking of the goods in this Indictment; I let him have them to show to the Club committee to see if they approved of them—this is the bill of them (Found on the prisoner); is is an invoice of a sale; money payable in 30 days; I could not get the money, so I put it down in writing that I should get it in a month—nothing is said here about on approval—he said that he could not get the money from the Committee under 30 days—I had let him have the goods before I made out the invoice, to sell them to the Committee.

By the prisoner Isaac. The young man is not here of whom you bought the goods, nor is the clerk who made out the invoice; I conducted the transaction partly, but you kept coming backwards and forwards—I conducted the transaction when I let you have the busts and the clock—I did not hear you ask at Kingston that my book-keeper should be called

as a witness, nor do I think it was promised that he should attend—he was not summoned—my clerk made out this invoice; I cannot swear whether it was sent with the goods or by post.

Re-examined It was on September 30th he called about the Club, and a day or two afterwards he told me the Committee could not pay him, but would pay within a month—he said that the Committee had actually approved of the goods which I sent on the 30th—this was after the invoice was sent out—I do not know whether the invoice was sent out after the goods were sent, but the date of the invoice would represent the date of the goods being delivered and not the date of the arrangement of payment within a month.

FRANK HERITAGE . I am assistant to George Webb, a pawnbroker, of 23, Tottenham Court Road—I produce a bronze bust of Diana, which has been identified by Mr. Samper—I have got the ticket—it was pledged in the name of William Coign, 7, Charlotte Street, on October 7th, by the prisoner Isaac—the same bust, or a facsimile, had been pledged, with us on October 4th by Isaac Katz for 25s.

LEO STAMMERS . I was assistant to Mr. Jay, a pawnbroker, of 142, Oxford Street, last October, and about 21st October I took in a clock and a candelabra, pawned by the prisoner Isaac—this is the ticket, dated October 21st, and on 4th October he pawned a pair of vases for 8l.—Mr. Samper has identified them—the ticket of 21st October represents a second pledging; he had more money on them, and the first duplicate was destroyed—I should say it was some three weeks before.

Cross-examined by Isaac Katz. You pawned the clock and candelabra the first time yourself, in the name of Katz, for about 4l. 10s.—Hanson did not pledge the clock for 3l. 10s., I never saw him—I was present when you came the second time—I do not know that Hanson first pawned the goods for 3l. 10s., and that you took them out and pledged them for 5l.; nothing of the kind—I did not give evidence at the police-court.

GEORGE PALMER . I am assistant to Thomas Alfred Robinson, a pawnbroker, of 26, Mortimer Street, Regent Street—I produce three bronze figures pawned for 3l. 10s. by Isaac Katz, in the name of John Katz—Mr. Samper has identified them; these are the tickets.

ARTHUR OVERALL . I am assistant to Mr. Clark, a pawnbroker, of Hampstead Road—I produce a pair of bronze jugs pawned on 4th October, I believe by the elder prisoner, in the name of Arthur Hanson, 4, Charlotte Street.

Cross-examined by Isaac Katz. Mrs. Hanson's name is not on the ticket—I do not know whether she has pledged goods, several people come to our place whom I do not know.

HENRIETTA SHEPHERD . I live at 4, Charlotte Street, Fitzroy Square—in August last Isaac Katz and Hanson took a shop there at 18s. 6d. a week; Emile Katz was with them—I looked to Isaac Katz for the rent—Hanson and his wife lived there, and the two Katzes lived in Euston Road, a short distance off—they took the shop for antique and cabinet work, but they did not attend to any business; they simply played at cards, or passed the time away as they could—Isaac Katz offered me marriage—he used to pay me the rent, but towards the end of October he got into arrear—he paid me two weeks' rent in the morning and borrowed a sovereign in the evening—on 9th October they went to see

the illuminations, and induced me to go, and got a cab and took me—it was the Prince of Wales's birthday—when I got back I believed they were there as usual, because Hanson slept in the shop, but nothing was left in the shop next morning which I could seize for the balance of the rent, and they left no address—I saw them again on 11th November, and got Hanson's watch and Katz's overcoat in part payment for the rent—I have never seen the prisoners or Hanson since—they had a little stock in the shop at first, enough to make a show in the window—very nice things used to be kept in the shop, but they were taken away, and I never saw them again—the prisoners and Hanson kept a truck, and took the things away together—I never saw any books kept—a great many people called after they left, in reference to money matters—I declined Isaac Katz's offer of marriage—he pressed me vary much, and he made me an offer even the day before he left—when the prisoners left, I searched and found them in Tottenham Court Road—I went first to the police-station to ask them to let me have a detective, and when they saw the detective they gave me what they had got.

Cross-examined by Issac Katz. You went out with me three times, once to the Star Club in the City Road on a Sunday evening, once to Mr. Bessom's, in Fleet Street, and once to the illuminations—I suppose I was at the club about two hours on one occasion, and I was at the club in the City Road four or five hours—I was in the club three times with you till 4 o'clock in the morning, and with Mrs. Durant and Mrs. Hanson—I have often seen you playing at cards with Hanson in the daytime—I did not go out with you on Thursday, looking for Hanson; you both came to my house separately—I met you at an auction in Euston Road—you knew I was out looking for Hanson; I was making inquiries at the auction in Euston Road, where you generally hired your vans, and met you there, and I sent you into a coffee-shop to see if Hanson was there, and you came out and told me he was there.

Cross-examined by Emile Katz. I never saw any work done by either of you, and I did not see any tools till the Sunday before you left—you did not pay the rent, but you were a party to all the concern—you were always there.

MARTIN CORRIE (Sergeant, Royal Irish Constabulary). From information I received I went on 6th March to Bowley Green Street, Cork, and found the two prisoners there at a shop, with the name of Morris Clark over it; it was a wholesale upholsterers and furnisher's—I took them in custody, and found a large number of pawn-tickets on each of them—I have made a list of them; there are 31; all except five refer to October, November, and December, 1887, and January, 1888—the majority of, them are with pawnbrokers in London; the others are in Cork, Kingston, and Birmingham—I handed the prisoners over to Sergeant Morley and Inspector Shaw—I came up to Kingston with them, and they were committed for trial here—Isaac Katz made a written statement and signed his name "Morris Clark," after being duly cautioned.

EDWARD SHAW (Police Inspector). I received the prisoners in custody from Police-sergeant Corrie, and brought them to Kingston where they were committed for trial—the charge preferred against them at Kingston was not this charge.

Isaac Katz in his statement before the Magistrate, and in his defence, through the interpreter, said that he was only in the employ of Hanson, who

engaged him to purchase for him and furnished him with clothes, and that he was glad to get the employment, having nothing to eat. Emile Katz stated that he was only a servant to Hanson and Katz, and never ordered any goods,

ISAAC KATZ— GUILTY (There were three other Indictments against him, and the police stated that the value of the goods obtained was 259l. 15s. 6d.)— Five Years' Penal Servitude.


23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-501
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-502
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > with recommendation
SentenceMiscellaneous > sureties; Imprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > hard labour

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502. HENRY STIMSON, HENRY TYSON , and RICHARD LUCAS , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Samuel Brown and stealing three pairs of trousers and other goods, his property, and two coats and other goods of John George Miller; Tyson having been convicted at Southwark in August, 1886.


MR. BEARD Prosecuted; MR. FRITH Defended Lucas.

SAMUEL BROWN . I am a carman of 16, Sturge-Street, Southwark—on Sunday, 15th April, I went out about 6. 35 p. m. and fastened the door securely—I returned about 9. 40 p. m., and saw two boys jump out at the first-floor front window—I took one, it was Stimson; I gave him into custody—I found in my house a bundle of wearing apparel done up ready to be taken away—I found two keys and a screw-driver at the door of my lodger's room—I saw Miller search that room; an iron trunk was broken open—one of the keys opened the front door.

JOHN GEORGE MILLER . I am a stoker, and live with Mr. Brown—I went out early that afternoon, leaving an iron trunk locked up, containing about 3l. and some clothes—the trunk was broken open and all the things taken.

WILLIAM COOPER (Police Sergeant M). On 17th April, about 2 a.m., I went with Pearson to 55, Oswald Street, where Lucas lived with his rather, who was very excited, and said "What have they got you for, Dick?"—Lucas said "All right, father, I did not, go into the house, I stopped outside, Tyson and the other chap went in"—on the way to the station he said "I had 14s. for my share, and I lost it"—he made no reply to the charge.

Cross-examined. He has surrendered to-day—I did not hear him stammer—I took his words down immediately afterwards—what I say now is correct.

Witness for the Defence.

GEORGE LUCAS . I live at 67, Osborn Street, St. George's Road—Lucas is my son—I was examined at Southwark Police-court on Monday, and said "I give way to drink very seldom but I am rather violent"—I was under that influence when the police came at 2 a.m., but I knew what I was doing—I have thrashed my son severely while under the influence

of drink if he was telling lies—when the police came I said "Dick, have you been doing anything wrong?" he said "No Father, shut up, I know nothing of what these men have come for"—he was in bed, and was awakened and came into the room—that was the first thing he said—he is 16 next birthday, he said nothing further—he was in no need of money, he gets 7s. a week wages, and he was at work on the same day for Mr. Holborn who is here—he has always borne a good character for honesty and has never been charged.

Cross-examined. When I heard that he had done something wrong I thrashed him, but I found out afterwards that he had not—he was with his mother up to 6 p. m. on this Sunday.

By the Court. I asked the detectives what they had come for, and they said "Oh, he knows all about it," they said that they should take him for burglary—he sometimes says to me "Shut up, father."

GUILTY received a good character. Strongly recommended to mercy by the Jury.— LUCAS Discharged on his father's recognisances. STIMSON.— Two Months' Hard Labour.

TYSON*.— Six Months' Hard Labour.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Ksq.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-503
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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503. ROBERT HENRY WHITE (23), and STEPHEN COOLEY (59) , Stealing five gas brackets, the goods of Thomas Brough, then fixed to a certain building.

MR. WARBURTON Prosecuted; MR. WILLES defended White.

ERNEST KELL (Policeman B 411). About 2.30 p.m., on Tuesday, 27th March, I was on duty in Queen's Road, Richmond, at the Marsh Gate Road end—I met the prisoners with these fittings under their arms, an not getting a satisfactory account from them, I questioned them as to where they came from—White said "I had them given me by a workman to re-lacquer, at a house where I had been asking for work, up that road," meaning Grove Road—I then asked him if he knew the name of the house or the workman, and he said he did not, all he knew was it was a small house at the corner of that road, and that the workman wore a double-peaked cloth cap—I said you had better come back with me—he said very likely the man would be in the house; I called there but received no reply; the house was unoccupied, I rang and could not get in; it was unfurnished—I said "We will go to Mr. Broughs', the owner of the property"—we went there and I received information—I went into Queen's Road, where I saw White give a signal to Cooley, who went up another road, and was taken next morning—I told White I should charge him with the unlawful possession of stolen property,—he put the property on the footway and said "I shan't come with you"—I said "You had better come with me quietly and give me no trouble"—he said "I will come with you, if you will take me to Mr. Brough's office"—I said "Very well," but I was informed Mr. Brough was at a sale—I took White to the police station, where he was detained till Mr. Brough came and identified the property—I then went to the Grasmere Road with Mr. Brough, and examined the premises, and found two gas brackets had been taken from downstairs, and two from the downstairs back sitting room, and one from the office—the marks on the wall corresponded with these brackets—they are all gas brackets—afterwards we returned to the station, where White was charged with stealing the brackets; and on searching him I found a screwdriver and a latch key—

the key does not fit the door of No. 1, Grasmere Road—the screwdriver is an ordinary one; I believe it was used to take down the brackets—afterwards I proceeded to Battersea.

Cross-examined by MR. WILLES. White was carrying the brackets wrapped up in this red handkerchief—I could not see them till I asked him to show them to me—he did not ask me to go to the house with him—he did not say he was a gasfitter or what he was—he gave me no name and address at the time—he gave his right name and address at the station—he is not a gasfitter that I am aware of—I have not heard it since—the key found on White did not open the door.

Cross-examined by Cooley. I first met you and White, near Mr. Startin's farm, about 300 yards from the public-house—you stopped close by after I stopped White—I stopped about three yards from you—you stood there about two or three seconds—I was looking at some fowls—I passed on and went about 20 yards from the pond, I suppose, before I came after you and stopped you; it was not near the Black Horse where I stopped you—the Magistrate's house is 150 yards from the pond—I did not hurry after you; I came straight up to you—I spoke to both—you walked on—when we went to the house you kept Back some distance; I had not got you in custody, you were too far behind me—you could have gone away if you liked, and you did so—you afterwards followed us to Mr. Brough's, which is 600 yards from the other house, and lies back a little, and has iron railings and gates—you stopped in the road; you did not go away till I got to the road again, when you had a signal from White, and decamped—the signal was a nod of the head—I did not see you again till next morning—I visited Mr. Brough's house with Mr. Brough; his foreman opened the door—I went to Battersea that night, and saw the inspector on duty and several other constables—I then found White had given his right name and address—they gave me a description, and said "Very likely we shall be able to get him for you"—they said you lived in the next street to White—they did not say they knew where to find you, and could bring you at any moment.

HENRY GEORGE (Detective V). From information received, I went to 60, Arthur Street, Battersea, at 1 a.m., where I found Cooley in bed—I told him I should. take him for being concerned with another man in stealing some fixtures at Richmond—he said "I have been in Battersea all day"—I conveyed him to the station—I searched the place, and found this chisel, knife, large jemmy, and key, which I found, next day opened the door of 1, Grasmere Road; it is a kind of skeleton key—I found all these other keys, about 67, and in his pocket I found this cap.

Cross-examined by MR. WILLES. Cooley handed me this key when I went to search him—I did not ask him if he had keys—I found the large bunch of keys in Cooley's room—I went to White's house—I took some articles from there, which I restored afterwards—I only found his working plumber's tools there, such as one would use in the gas-fitting business—I took two boxes away, but found they were not stolen, and I took them back—I found some pawn-tickets also.

Cross-examined by Cooley. I have known you some time; you have been connected with a gang of thieves—I have not seen you in Battersea Road with a barrow of old furniture—Johnson came into your room with me; I think the landlord opened the door for me—I did not say at the

station I found a key in my pocket that would open the street door—there was another key with this when you gave it to me; it was your room-door key—I knocked at your door when I came, and you said "What do you want?"—when you gave me the two keys you said "They are my keys; one is the street-door key"—you had plenty of opportunity from the time you left Richmond till you gave them to me, to make away with the keys, if you had thought you would be caught—I searched you before I went to White's house—Kell went with me when I fitted the key to the door—I went to the house to try if it would fit—I did not go to Mr. Brough's at all; it was not my case—I opened the door, and the key has been in my possession ever since—I have not tried the key in your street door—the other key was given up to your landlord, because he wanted to let your room—I don't know what Johnson did—the Magistrate ordered this long chisel to be given up to you as a common tool—I brought it here because I thought you might have used it at Richmond—there were no marks on the house at Richmond—I don't know about it being usual for old furniture dealers to have bundles of keys about them—you have not had a marine store—there are skeleton keys among these—Johnson handed them to me; they were hanging on a nail in your room, I think—I have no proof that you had that key in your possession when you were at Richmond.

By MR. WILLES. There were two keys on this ring when I took Cooley in custody—the one that opened the room door I gave up to the landlord—he asked for it—I don't know whether it was the room or the street-door key—I have not tried this key at his room door or his street door.

THOMAS BROUGH . I live at 2, Ebridge Villas, Queen's "Road, Richmond—these gas-brackets are my property; they were at 1, Grasmere Road, Richmond—I went there on the afternoon of 26th March, and found some of these gas-brackets had been unscrewed and taken away—I was landlord—I had given no authority for them to be taken away—my tenant was Mr. Smith.

Cross-examined by MR. WILLES. I was not present when the key was tried in the door, and don't know whether it fits—the house had been empty about three days; no workmen were about it at all—I had nothing done to it at all—the keys of the house were handed to Mr. Shiel, a surveyor, for the purpose of looking over it, and were not in my possession on this day—I don't know if he handed them to anybody—he is not here—I got them from him afterwards to go and try the gas-brackets.

Cross-examined by Cooley. I had at that time no key in my possession that fitted that house—I could get it and try it in the door—this key is rather but not very like it—it is a patent latch-lock—I should not think? common key would open it—it was not in my possession on the day in question.

CHARLES HENRY SMITH . I live at 1, Grasmere Road, Beckenham—I did live at Grasmere Road, Richmond—I gave up possession of that house on 24th March—five brackets similar to these were fixed there at that time—I can swear this is one—I gave no one authority to take these; I could not.

WILLIAM JOHNSTON (Policeman V R 49). About 1 o'clock on the morning of 28th March I went with Sergeant George to 60, Arthur Street,

Battersea, where I found Cooley in bed—when told the charge he said "I have been in Battersea all day; I have been in bed ever since 9.30."

In the prisoners statements before the Magistrate, White said that the goods were given to him to relacquer, and he was to take them back between 12 and 1 on Good Friday; that the man who gave them to him let himself into the house with a street-door key, and left the door open while he went and wrapped then in paper, and that he (the prisoner) as inside two or three minutes. Cooley, in his statement and in his defence, said he met White, left him to look for work, and saw him afterwards talking to a man, and that White then told him he had a job from a man; and he contended that he would not have followed the other prisoner and the officer if he had been guilty.


PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction of felony at this Court in October, 1886, and COOLEY** to one in March, 1882, in the name of Percival.— Two Years' Hard Labour each.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-504
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Not Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Special Verdict > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment > hard labour

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504. WILLIAM FREDERICK TINDALL (21), GEORGE BARNES (17), WILLIAM BATCHELOR (26), WILLIAM CHANDLER (45), and EDWARD WOODFORD (40) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Charles John Hollis, and stealing 11 concertinas and other articles. Second Count, receiving the same.


MR. MEAD Prosecuted; MB. GEOGHEGAN defended Chandler; MB. PURCELL

defended Woodford.

CHARLES JOHN HOLLIS . I am a hairdresser and seller of musical instruments, at 9, Spa Road, Bermondsey—on the night of 21st February, on going to bed, my premises were properly secured—in the morning I found they had been entered, and a quantity of property, value from 60l. to 80l., taken—they were musical instruments, combs, and other things I use in my business—this mouth-organ, of the value of 4s., is my property, and was among the articles stolen on that night—this is a list of the property stolen (produced).

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. Out of 80l. worth of goods I have seen property again worth 10l. or 12l.—my mark and a German name is on the mouth-organ—there is no mark to show the general public where it came from.

ALFRED WARD (Sergeant L). On Saturday, 10th March, I applied for a search warrant with reference to Chandler's premises, in consequence of a statement—he kept at that time the Commercial Coffee-shop, 8, York Street, London Road—I went there with Inspector Chamberlain, Sergeant Bradford, and Detective Hay—I found Chandler and Woodford in the back parlour—Woodford is a railway porter; he was sitting there in uniform—Chamberlain read the warrant—Chandler said "If there is any stolen goods here I am not aware of it; my wife sometimes buys things in the shop"—I and Chamberlain went upstairs, and in the front bedroom, among other things, I found this mouth-organ in a smallcheffonier—Chandler said "That I bought for my boy some time ago"—I would not be certain I what he said he gave for it—I also found upstairs a quantity of jewellery, I diamond brooches, 10 suits of new clothes, and other articles—Chandler I was wearing a watch and chain—the watch has not been identified—he said he bought the watch and chain from a dealer some time ago, and he thought he was taken in; he gave 6l. 10s. for it—the chain has been identified by Mr. Crackenow—I found this gold seal in the pocket of the coast which Chandler owned as his, but which he said he lent to his brother-in

law before going over the water—I found two pawn tickets in the same pocket, and these two gold seals—he said "Well, I bought them along with other things; the two tickets I bought this morning from a man in the Strand for 1s."—I said "Do you know him?"—he said "No, he was a stranger to me"—this gold seal has been identified by William Fox Batley—I found these two ladies' cloth cloaks, one trimmed with fur, hung up in a cupboard in the adjoining room—I asked Chandler if he knew to whom they belonged—he said "Yes, that belongs to my wife"—I called Mrs. Chandler up; she said "Yes, that is mine; he bought that some time ago for me"—the other one trimmed with fur Chandler and his wife said belonged to their daughter—I called up the daughter—she said in the prisoner's presence "Yes, that is mine; I bought it at Spurgeon's, on the Causeway, some time ago"—I asked her what she gave for it; she said she was not sure; she thought about 30s.—I asked her if she had the bill for it; she said "No, they don't give bills there"—I took possession of the cloaks on the 19th, not then—the prisoner did not contradict or say anything; he made no reference to it at all—while I was upstairs Bradford came up and said "While you have been upstairs Woodford went out, saying he wanted to go to the w. c, and while at the back I saw him, instead of going to the w. c, go up to a pail, and in the act of covering something up in the ashes; I went out, caught him by the shoulder, and turned out a cigar-case containing four pins, and a pocket-book"—these are the cigar-case and the pins; the pins have not been identified—Chandler said nothing—Bradford produced the pocket-book and said "I find, looking over it, an entry corresponding with—the articles stolen from Spa Road"—here is the entry—Chandler said "The book is mine, but I never made the entry"—I asked him if he had any objection to writing a similar one—I read out several of the items, and he wrote them down in pencil—in my opinion that is the same handwriting as the other—I said to Chandler "That is the same writing, but in larger characters"—he said "Well, I don't know how it got there"—he said the book was his: he lent the coat to his brother-in-law, meaning Woodford, and that he took the uniform coat off and put the plain one on—none of this jewellery has been identified—I found these six new suits of clothes—these two pawn-tickets were in the pocket of the coat he was wearing, along with this seal and these two gold pencil-cases—I took Chandler into custody and charged him; he made no reply. (One of the pawn-tickets was for a gold watch, Albert chain, and two coins, pledged on 10th March with Hawes and Son, and the other or a pin, pledged on 10th March with Beaumont.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. I have had these things examined by a jeweller—these are silver-mounted diamonds; all the brooches are diamond—I did not ask the jeweller the value of them—I have had a description of these things circulated in the Police News since 11th March-one of these is mounted in copper at the back—I described them, with the assistance of another officer, after I had seen them—no one has claimed them—Bradford found the diamond-pin in the cigar-case—the prisoner said nothing at all about the cloaks, I am sure, to support his wife and daughter—he said it belonged to his daughter—his wife said the cloak belonged to her before he said it—he adopted that statement—did not take his wife and daughter into custody.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. When I went in Chandler and Woodford were both sitting in the kitchen together—Woodford had his sleeved waistcoat on, no coat—I know he has been about 23 years in the

service of the South Western Railway—he was a signalman at Salisbury—Chandler at once recognised the cigar-case—Woodford downstairs afterwards said "That is the case I wear."

WILLIAM BRADFORD (Police Sergeant). On Saturday, 10th March, I went with Chamberlain, Ward, and Hay, to Chandler's place—I and Hay remained downstairs with Woodford in the kitchen at the back of the shop—after some little time Woodford said "I must go to the closet"—he went out to the back yard—I crossed the kitchen and followed him into the back yard, and found him scratching with one of his hands the dust over in a large dust-pail—I caught hold of him, and said "What are you doing here?"—he said nothing—I pulled over the dust in my hand and found this cigar-case containing these three gold pins, and this pocket-book—I opened the cigar-case and turned over the pocket-book and came on an entry—I said "How do you account for the possession of these; why here is almost an exact entry of the things we are actually looking for; how do you account for the possession of these?"—he said "Bill gave them to me this morning when we were walking in the Strand together, and asked me to put them in my pocket; I know nothing about them"—I said "Who do you mean by Bill?"—he said "Why Chandler; he is my brother-in-law"—I took him into the house, and subsequently took him upstairs, where I communicated with Inspector Chamberlain.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. I have circulated a description of these-things; this has been a brooch, and this an ear-drop, I should say—I don't say this diamond is of the purest water—they have not been claimed.

LUKE CRACKENOW . I live at 6, Crescent, Minories, City, and am a wholesale draper and jeweller—on 6th May, 1887, my premises were broken into—I missed nearly 200l. worth of jewellery; this chain and two others were amongst property stolen—this is worth 6l. or 7l.,

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. It is a very common chain-pattern.

WILLIAM FOX BATLEY . I live at Blackheath—on 29th February I was at Deptford during the election; I was wearing a gold watch-chain and seal, and other things—when I got home I missed the chain and its appendages—this is the seal—my initials, "W. F. B.," are on the bloodstone.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. I valued the watch and chain at 20l.—I think the seal cost me about 3l. 3s., with the initials on it—there was this guinea also.

JOHN HINTON . I am manager to Walter Wakesford and Price, of 97, Blackfriars Road, wholesale mantle manufacturers—both of these cloaks were made at our place—on 21st September we sent out a porter, William Elms, with some goods, amongst which were these two cloaks—he absconded—we gave information to the police—he was at the Mansion House afterwards, and was convicted and sentenced, with four others, tosix months' imprisonment—these two cloaks are our property.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. The value now is 50s. each—the value of the property the porter took away was 60l.; we have recovered some previously to this.

GEORGE BARNES (The Prisoner). I have pleaded GUILTY to this indictment—I was engaged with Tindall and Batchelor in breaking into Mr. Hollis's place, about half-past 5 a. m.—we took the goods to a man named Owens; I don't know his address, it is somewhere in the Newington

Butts—after that I and Batchelor took the property down the New Cut, down a court; I did not go down myself—I saw nobody there—I did not see what became of it after it was at the Cut—I did not see it removed from the Cut at any time.

MR. MEAD did not press the charge against Woodford.



He then PLEADED GUILTY* to a conviction of felony in March, 1879.— Ten Years' Penal Servitude.

BATCHELOR PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony at this Court in October, 1881.— Two Years' Hard Labour. BARNES— Judgment respited,

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-505
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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23rd April 1888
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MR. GREENFIELD Prosecuted.

ALEXANDER DONALDSON . I am a shipping clerk, and live at 55, Solan Street, New Road, Clapham—at 1 o'clock on early morning of 17th April I was with my wife in the Westminster Bridge Road, on my way home; we called at a coffee-stall, and had a cup of tea—whilst drinking it, Thompson came up against me, and pushed me roughly against my wife, which upset her tea—I asked him what he meant by such conduct—Thompson answered that with a blow in the eve; at the same time he took out of my hand a brown paper-parcel containing three sheep tongues and five sausages, and he handed it over to Smith—I do not know what became of it—there were five of them altogether—I saw nothing of it afterwards—Smith then struck me on the ear, and then I was dealt simultaneous blows and knocked down in the road and tramped on, and then I was kicked when on the ground; all five were engaged in kicking me, I suppose—the prisoners were the ringleaders—I was knocked on the ribs and over my body, and there are stains on my coat of the blood that came from my mouth—there was no constable; we could not get one, but I found I was getting kicked almost to death, and asked them if they would put an end to this, there was nothing in five of them kicking me, and let the matter rest, and come and have a cup of coffee—when I was getting so kicked the coffee-stall man came and took one or two of them off me—they accepted my invitation, and went to the coffee-stall and had coffee, which I paid for—while they were having it I saw a constable und went over for him, brought him over and charged the men with assault and theft of the parcel—I lost about 5s. as well—I did not find that out till I left the police-station—I had the money in this pocket—I could not connect any of the prisoners with it—I knew none of these men before; it was the first time I had seen them.

By the JURY. This was under the archway near Astley's theatre, not far from the York Road, close to the New Cut.—I was perfectly sober; Smith was slightly intoxicated I think.

By the COURT. The coffee-stall man's name is Wooley.

Cross-examined by Smith. I can swear distinctly to your kicking me.

MARY JANE DONALDSON . I am the last witness's wife—on early morning

of 17th April I was with him, and we went to a coffee stall and while waiting there for some tea the two prisoners with three or four others came behind us—Thompson was in front with his hands in his pockets; he pushed against me and then against my husband with his shoulders—my husband turned and asked him what that was about, and one of them (I don't think it was either of the prisoners) said "We will show you"—then Thompson struck the right side of my husband's face, and at the same time Smith and another man pushed me against a gate near the stall—I tried to get to my husband's assistance, I saw his hat had been knocked off and that two or three men were striking him; he was pushed away on the road—I saw Thompson strike him; I never saw Smith strike him, he was round my side—I said I should call for police or some protection and I was pushed about from one to the other, and Smith brought his arm down over my face and brought my straw hat down over my face, and in the struggle my fur cape was taken off—I became very much excited and a young man present told me he should help me all he could and get some assistance—at that moment I felt a hand in my pocket—I lost 1s. 10d.—I did not discover that then, but I put my hand in my pocket to get my handkerchief, as my nose was bleeding, and the handkerchief was gone—I had used it a minute or two before—I saw the coffee-stall keeper coming out—I saw my husband on the ground, five of them were kicking them, two were stooping or kneeling, and three standing—I did not see either of the prisoners kick, but Thompson was there kneeling down I think—a young man got my cape—I was too exhausted to go for a constable—I saw my husband return from the road: the coffee-stall man went to his assistance, and helped him up—my husband came round to me, and Smith and Thompson came—Thompson's language was very abusive about having lost his hat, and he said it would have to be made good—my husband took him to the coffee-stall, and as soon as he had ordered coffee he took my arm, and we went up the street, because he saw a constable coming I suppose—we met the constable—my husband charged Thompson—I told the policeman there were two others; he took Thompson, and Smith and another came to the station to hear the charge against Thompson—I was pushed about roughly, but not struck; I have not been well' since—I identified Smith, and charged him with being concerned with Thompson in pushing me about, and likewise in the loss of my handkerchief.

Cross-examined by SMITH. YOU did not give me a blow, but brought your arm down over my face, and scratched my nose and hand with my straw hat—while you were in front of me my cape was unfastened and drawn off; I cannot say who took it, but no one was present that side of me but you at the time.

By the JURY. The other man that came to the station was very much I the worse for drink; he was concerned, but not immediately concerned, I with myself—Smith was the one concerned with myself.

WILLIAM WOOLEY . I keep the coffee stall in Westminster Bridge Road—on this morning of the 17th the prosecutor and his wife called for tea, bread and butter, and eggs—the prisoner and others came up I and pushed against the prosecutor and wife—then a scuffle ensued—I I could not exactly say what took place, I had customers at the time—one or two came up and went away—I did not see the prisoner knocked down, I saw him down on the tram lines, and men on the top of him, and I

went and pulled five men (two of whom were the prisoners) off him, and helped him up—after that the prosecutor brought the prisoners and two others and treated them, and directly the coffee was called for Mrs. Donaldson got hold of her husband's arm and pulled him away, and they returned directly afterwards with a policeman—Thompson was taken away—I picked up the lady's hat—I did not see her cape go.

Cross-examined by Thompson. I don't recollect seeing the prosecutor knocked down.

AUGUSTUS BOND (Policeman 208 L). At half-past I on this morning the prosecutor came and made a statement to me, in consequence of which I went to the coffee-stall, where I found the two prisoners and others—the prosecutor charged Thompson with assaulting and robbing him—Thompson said nothing at first—on the way to the station he asked the prosecutor what he was going to charge him with; the prosecutor said with assaulting and robbing him—at the station Thompson said, "I deny robbing him"—Smith followed to the station; he was there identified by the prosecutor, and then by his wife, as one of the gang—the prosecutor said he was the man who was in company with Thompson, and he was charged with robbing Mrs. Davis—he said he had come to the station to see his friend righted; nothing about the charge itself—on searching them 1l. 10s. was found on Smith; nothing on Thompson—I saw nothing of the disturbance, and knew nothing of it till the prosecutor came to me.

Cross-examined by Smith. You were some few minutes at the station before you were accused of being connected with Thompson—you were identified by the prosecutor as soon as you went in.

The Prisoners' Statement before the Magistrate. Thompson said: "I struck the prosecutor in self-defence after he struck me. I deny robbing him. "Smith said: "Ideny the charge. I followed to the station to say the other man struck him."

Thompson in his defence said that the prosecutor hit him, and that they fought, and that Smith separated them.Smith said that after Thompson and the prosecutor had fought for some time he separated them, and that seeing the woman's hat in the road he picked it up and gave it to her, and that he followed to the station to give evidence.

ALEXANDER DONALDSON (Re-examined). I did not go into the middle of the road and take off my coat and fight Thompson; nothing of the kind.

GUILTY — Judgment respited.

There was another indictment against the prisoners for the assault on Mrs. Donaldson.

23rd April 1888
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SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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WILLIAM CHAMBERLAIN (Police Inspector L). On 23rd March I went with Sergeants Jupe and Williams to 11, Leopold Street, Vauxhall, and found Turner and Griffin in the act of making counterfeit coin—each had a florin in his hand, and these two moulds were on the table with hot metal coins in them—there were three other moulds on the table, and one under the mattress in the front parlour—16 florins partly finished, were on the table, and 10 half-crowns, and in a cupboard was this galvanic battery—Newson was there—she dropped down at my feet as I took Griffin and Turner in custody, and said "Oh, my God, my poor children"—I placed her in a chair, and said •' "Don't you move, sit still," but she jumped up, reached across the table, took up this knife, and said "This is my knife"—I said "Put it down, give it to me," but before I could reach her she wiped it on her dress and on a towel—I took the knife and towel from her and said "You seem to know something of the business, you have not wiped it all off now, there is still some on it"—that was plaster-of-Paris—she said "I know nothing about it; my husband and 1 do not know anything of this, he goes to work early in the morning, 6 o'clock, and does not return till 8 p. m."—Turner then said "My father and mother do not know anything of what is going on here; my father is away all day, my mother is in, and out, she does not understand it"—the sergeant found this piece of glass in the kitchen, and showed it to Newson—it has the print of a mould on it—I said "You say you know nothing about it; that was in your kitchen just where you were working up some things, you could not be off seeing it"—Wilson brought some portions of moulds and clamps out of the kitchen, and Newson said "I don't know, my son may have put them there"—the kitchen is downstairs—a bag of plaster-of-Paris and a bag of mixture was brought from the kitchen; she said she did not know what it was, she did not understand it—she also said "This is my son; he is a child before marriage, and this (Griffin) is the young woman who comes to see him"—I said to Newson "You may as well tell me who is the landlord"—she produced this rent-book of the whole house, and said "I am the

landlady"—it is in her husband's name—the lodgers showed me their rent-books, but not in her presence—the kitchen is on a level with the parlour, and there is a scullery at the back with a sink in it, and there were appearances of washing there; these frames for making moulds were found there; there was a good florin on the table among the bad ones, which I told Turner was the pattern one; he said nothing—there was a crucible on the fire, and a ladle ready to pour the metal into the moulds which was hot, and there was a bright fire.

Cross-examined by Newson. The door was not locked—the broken mould was in the dusthole in the backyard.

HENRY JUPE (Police Sergeant L). I was with Chamberlain and Wilson, at 11, Leopold Street—I had watched the house from the 19th to the 23rd, and have seen the three prisoners more than once in the front parlour as I passed—when I went in on the 23rd Newson was in the passage—I went into the parlour with Wilson and found Turner and Griffin sitting on each side of a table, in the act of manufacturing counterfeit coin—they each had a coin in their hands; and there were two moulds on the hob, and some on the table and sofa, six altogether—Chamberlain brought Newson in, and Turner said "Oh, my God!—Griffin said "Oh, Frank, we are done!"—I saw the moulds on the fireplace and took a pot from the fire, containing metal—I found this battery in the closet, this bottle of blue stone, this board for polishing the coin, and a vase of sand, under which were these ten counterfeit half-crowns in paper, and this bottle of cyanide of potassium—Turner said that he could not get the battery to work and he had to do the coins in a basin—I found in a cupboard under the stair a quantity of plaster-of-Paris—I saw Williamson find some pieces of a mould in the dust hole, and I found this bismuth.

Cross-examined by Newson. You were in the passage as we entered, I should say you were going to the parlour or to the front door—we made no noise, we went in with a key.

WILLIAM WILLLIAMSON (Police Sergeant L). I found under the sofa in the front parlour a mould for making half-crowns, and on the table 14 unfinished florins, and in the scullery these moulds and this bowl with a tap running on them, and three dinner plates and three knives and forks not washed—I found this piece of glass in the kitchen and a large quantity of broken moulds in the dustbin—I have been watching the house since the 19th, when I saw the three prisoners in the room and saw Griffin and Turner come out and go in again, and Newson came out done and went to a small shop close by—I followed the three prisoners from that house to the Elephant and Castle the day before they were arrested—Newson went back alone—I have reason to believe she is Turner's mother.

JOHN VERNON . I collect rent at 11, Leopold Street for Mr. J. Rake—the house was let to Mrs. Newson, but it was put in her husband's name—she always paid me the rent, 14s. a week—the upper part was let to lodgers—I only saw Turner once or twice—I know him as Mrs. Newson's son.

Cross-examined by Newson. I always received the rent from you in the parlour—I never had to ask you twice for it—I found you a respectable roman.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . This is a piece of bismuth which counterfeit coins are frequently made of—these six moulds are for half-crowns, and here

are four for florins—these coins have the get to them—these are 10 half, crowns of William IV., all counterfeit, and a half-crown of Victoria—here are 16 florins, some of which are from this mould—this is a good pattern piece which has been used—this crucible has molten metal in it—here are some clamps and iron bands, three or four loose gets, copper wire, plaster-of-Paris, a polishing board, a galvanic battery, a bottle of sulphate of copper, a piece of glass, which has been used for mould-making, and a bottle of acid—the coins are all counterfeit; some of the florins have not passed the battery.

Newson's Statement before the Magistrate. "I know nothing of what they were doing."

Newson repeated the same in her defence, and stated that her son told her that he was silvering jewellery.

NEWSON— GUILTY . — Twelve Months' Hard Labour. TURNER** Eight Years' Penal Servitude. GRIFFIN— Six Months' Hard Labour.

23rd April 1888
Reference Numbert18880423-514
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour; No Punishment > sentence respited

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514. JOHN GRANT (47) and EDWARD BELLNGER (31) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. BODKIN Prosecuted.

JAMES WOODHOUSE . I keep the Albert Arms, Gladstone Street, Borough Road—on 12th April, between 8 and 9, I saw Edginagton serve Grant with some half-and-half—he gave him a florin, which he gave to me—I found it bad, and held him till a constable came—he gave his name George Smith—he was discharged by the Magistrate the next morning.

PHILIP DOUCE (Policeman M 203). On 12th April, about 8. 30 a. m., I went to the Albert Arms and found Grant in custody—I found a good shilling on him—he was put in the dock at the station, and the Inspector said that he did not think there was sufficient evidence that he knew the coin was bad, and allowed him to go—he was not taken before a Magistrate.

ANNIE POOLE . My husband keeps an eel-pie shop, at 32, Falcon Road, Battersea—on 12th April I served Bellinger with a penny pie—he gate me a florin—I showed it to my husband, who bit it in two, and laid the pieces on the counter in front of him—he picked them up and walked off—my husband followed him—I saw Grant looking through the window.

THOMAS HENRY POOLE . On 12th April my wife gave me a florin; I bit it in two, and showed the pieces to the prisoner, and asked what he meant by it—he said "I did not know it was bad"—I said "You had better make yourself Scarce"—he gave the pie back, took the pieces, and walked out—while he was there I saw Grant looking through the window—I followed Bellinger and saw him join Grant outside; they walked away together—I followed them, met a constable, and gave them in charge.

Cross-examined by Bellinger. I was not five yards behind you when you walked out, but I could not see you make away with the florin 'because it was dark—a third party ran before you—I threatened you with a dog.

Re-examined The gas was alight in the shop; it was about 7.30 or 7. 45—they could not see the dog.

DANIEL RYAN (Policeman V 436). I took the prisoners, and told them the charge—Bellinger said "I know nothing about it; I have not been

in his shop; "Grant said "I know nothing about it—searched them at the station and found a penny on each.

Cross-examined by Bellinger. I have inquired into your character and found nothing against you; you gave your correct name and address.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . This coin is counterfeit; a man must have remarkably strong jaws to break a good coin with his teeth.

Grant's Defence. I am innocent; I was discharged for the two-shilling piece.

Bellinger's Defence. I can prove that I was in bed at 8 o'clock. The man says he was two or three yards behind me, and yet did not see me throw the coin away.

GRANT— GUILTY.— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

BELLINGER— GUILTY of the second uttering.— Judgment respited.


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