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A star (*) denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars (**) that they have been more than once in custody—a dagger (†) that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment, denote the prisoner's age.


OLD CHOURT.—Monday, October 24th, 1887.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-991
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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991. JOHN LESLIE WESTON was indicted for unlawfully obtaining, by false pretences, 153l. 10s. from Alfred Piers Payne.

MR. KEMP, Q.C., and MR. MONROE Prosecuted; MR. GEOGHEGAN and MR. HUTTON Defended.

ALFRED PIERS PAYNE . I am a solicitor, of Essex Street, Strand—I know Mr. Hatton, a solicitor of position, in whom I have perfect confidoence—he made a communication to me respecting the prisoner, and on Wednesday, 18th May, the prisoner called at my office—I cannot give the exact words he used—he said he required from 150l. to 300l. this week; the security he offered was a charge on a building estate at Low 8t., Tilbury—he told me he was an architect and surveyor; that he had recently purchased a property for 4,300l. from a Mr. Charles Gideon Jefferies, of Croydon—he said he had paid 2000l. on account of the purchase money, but about 2,300l. remained due, for which the vendor had a lien on the deeds—he said he had cut up the estate for building purposes, laid out roads, and expended, I think he said, 600l. or 700l.; that the money was required by Friday or Saturday to repay an amount advanced for wages or expenses for working—this scarcely left me any time to make inquiries—I inquired if there were any incumbrances beyond the lien—he said "No," there were no incumbrances beyond the lien to the vendors—I did not see him again—I afterwards became aware that there was a further incumbrance of 185l.—I required him to make a statutory declaration; that was the condition under which I made the loan—this is it (produced)—it is signed by the prisoner—it was brought to me before I advanced the money—I advanced it believing that statement to be true—if I had known that in addition to the 185l. there had been a further advance of 600l., I would not have lent a halfpenny—in addition to this

declaration I had a bill of exchange for the amount; that was dishonoured—I did not make any inquiries; some one came to me, and I went and looked at the property; it was an old gravel pit—there was something that perhaps might be called a road—a great part of the gravel and sand had been taken out to a depth of, I should think, 20 inches at the upper end—I should think it could not be used for building purposes without great expense—I walked several miles round the neighbourhood—about a mile beyond there were a great number of houses to let—in the immediate neighbourhood there was an old farmhouse and a few cottages; nothing else—the property was said to consist of about 10 acres—I hare been engaged for many years in the sale and purchase of land—I would not give 500l. for this property.

Cross-examined. This is not the first occasion on which I have advanced money on the security of land—this was my own money—153l. 2s. was the actual amount, with interest and charges—on other occasions I satisfied myself of the value of the land before advancing money, either by sending a surveyor or going myself—I have been a solicitor ten years or rather more—I say this property consisted of a gravel pit, but the greater part had been exhausted—the whole property was 10 acres—I should call the gravel pit about three quarters of the total area—the nearest part to the property is called Mucking or Muckingford; that would be about a mile off—I went to Low Street Station; that is about a mile from the pits—this property is about three miles from Tilbury Docks by the look of it; I did not walk it;. it is within sight of the docks—if I had known there was a loan of 600l. on the property I would not have advanced the money, no matter what the value of the property might be—if there had been ample security I might have made the advance—I think the property is about eight minutes' walk from the station; not quite a mile—I should say it was a good three miles from the docks—I have seen the defendant's handwriting once; I believe I know it—I don't believe that the two or three corrections in the declaration are his—they are not in his handwriting—the alterations are against his interest—one is about the charge of 185l.—the others are clerical errors; mistakes in the copying of the figures—I have for a long time thought that Jefferies and the prisoner were acting in collusion—I have suggested it to my Counsel—I was represented by Counsel or Solicitor at the police-court—I don't remember whether that view was put before the Magistrate; I don't think it was—I had not seen the property then—I saw it some time before last Session—I did not apply for a warrant or summons Against Jefferies; I thought I would prefer to see the end of this matter first—I may prosecute them for conspiracy—I issued a writ directly I found out the fraud; I did not serve it—I found out the fraud about two or three days before the hearing at Bow Street—Mr. Lash, the surveyor, went with me, and I saw the property—I put myself in communication with Mr. Meynell—I am the sole prosecutor—my loan was 160l. less expenses—the other loans are 961l.—I would not give 500l. for the property—I don't think it would sell at all—I think it is worth nothing—the houses I saw to let were about Tilbury and Muckingford—I did not walk to Tilbury; I went through by train.

Re-examined. They are houses that would let at from 5s. to 8s. a week—they are within a few minutes of the property—Jefferies has not obtained any money from me.

HENRY LEWIS ARNOLD . I am a commissioner for taking oaths—this statutory declaration bears my signature, therefore I say it was taken before me—I administered the oath to the person—he declared that it was true—I did not initial these alterations—I should have done if they had appeared like they are now, I fancy—I can't cay that they did not appear as they are now; if I had noticed it I should probably have struck it out and written it in again—I can't say whether it has been done since—I do not know the prisoner's writing.

Cross-examined. A statutory declaration is similar to an affidavit, I have always thought so—an alteration in an affidavit must be verified by the person before whom it is sworn—I seem to have initialled the last alteration—I have not initialled the change from 2,000 to 2,300; I know nothing about it—I do not know the prisoner—the person who swore this said his name was Weston—whether it was him or not I do not know.

CHARLES TAPLIN . I am managing clerk to Mr. Frederick Hatton—this declaration was handed to me by him—I read it over to the prisoner in Mr. Hatton's presence—I made an addition to paragraph 3; it is my writing—I added at the prisoner's request "Save a charge of 185l. to John Oakley and James Langridge"—to the best of my belief the alteration from the 0 into 3 is not my writing—I did not notice that alteration—the figures are not my writing—the only part in my handwriting are the words "Save the charge of 185l. to James Oakley and James Langridge," and the word "Middlesex"—I told the prisoner he would have to make a declaration before a Commissioner—after reading this to the prisoner and adding those words, I sent Mr. Sawyer with him.

Cross-examined. The declaration is in the handwriting of one of the clerks of Messrs. Valance and Valance, the prosecutor's solicitors—the charge of 185l. was inserted on information given to me by the prisoner—when I read the document to him and got to that part, he said "Just wait a minute; you must insert the charge of 185l.—in the original document the balance of the purchase-money was 2,000l.; it has been altered to 2,300l.—to the best of my belief I did not make that alteration—it seems to be in the same ink as my alteration—there is a similarity to the way in which I make my 3.

Re-examined. I am not certain whether I made the alteration.

ALFRED PIERS PAYNE (Re-examined). This document is in the same state as it was delivered to me after signature.

ARTHUR KENNEDY . I am a solicitor—I advanced 600l. on this property after deductions on 1st March, 1886—that is still owing—I have written to the prisoner over and over again about it—he always told me that he was going to obtain a mortgage, and he would then be able to pay me off—no mortgage has been obtained that I am aware of—I have not been able to get any money.

Cross-examined. There was a written agreement between me and the prisoner—there were two agreements—it contained certain conditions and terms (This agreement stated that one-third of the property arising from the state was to be secured to the witness)—it was not a definite sum to be given me, but a sum to be ascertained in the future—I have advanced money upon other property before—I went and saw this property—I thought at the time it worth what I advanced—it is more than a mile

from Tilbury Docks; hardly three—it is about 300 yards from Low Street Station.

Re-examined. The prisoner brought me some two reports of surveyors, and on the faith of those I thought I might advance 600, and also seeing the property.

THOMAS HENRY MEYNELL . I am a solicitor, of Furnival Street, Holborn—I know the prisoner; I have advanced him money on the security of several memorandums of charge on the Condover estate—I think I advanced about 300l. up to the time of this memorandum, under sale, in addition to which he owed me costs to a considerable amount, and there is also interest due on the loans—the charge under sale was given in January this year and has not been paid—I knew of no other charge at the time, I only knew of the unpaid purchase-money to the vendor—I inquired of the prisoner if there was any other charge, and he offered me a declaration.

Cross-examined. I saw this property about 22nd or 23rd January, 1886—it is about 260 yards from Low Street Station—I have heard that quite recently the Orient Line have gone to Tilbury Docks—property has decreased in value on account of the decrease in shipping.

FREDERICK DAVID WILLIAM HATTON . I am a solicitor—I have known Mr. Payne for some time—I introduced the prisoner to him—this cheque was sent to me by Mr. Payne, and I sent Sawyer to get it cashed—I handed the whole of it to the prisoner.

WILLIAM SAWYER . I am clerk to Mr. Hatton—on 21st May I went with the prisoner to Mr. Arnold—I was present when he made the statutory declaration—I was not in the same room—I afterwards cashed this cheque—the prisoner went into the commissioner's room and came out again with a document—I am not certain that this is it—he gave it to me; I gave it to Mr. Hatton.

MR. HATTON. This is the document Sawyer gave me.

JAMES PHILIP LASH . I am an auctioneer, valuer, and surveyor, at Southend—I was formerly in business in Burdett Road, Bow—I still carry on business at both places—I am well acquainted with property in Essex—I have seen this property called the Condover estate—it was formerly grazing land; at present it is not used for building purposes—I cannot tell what it might come to—I did not examine it particularly in June; it was only a few weeks ago that I saw it specially—the gravel had been taken out from the level of the road to about 15 or 16 feet, but from the actual ground it would be about 20 feet, because the ground is above the road—that would have to be filled in before commencing building operations—there is no demand for houses here at present—I should not advise customers of mine to build there; I would not advise any one to buy it—if put up for auction I don't think we should get a bidder—I should say it was worth about 50l. an acre—about 500l. would be about the outside value of the property.

Cross-examined. I am somewhat acquainted with property in Essex—it is very bad no and has been for some time, partly owing to the decrease in shipping—a large hotel has been built in the docks—the property is six minutes by rail from the docks—if there should be a revival of shipping here would be a revival of work in the docks—improvements in London are sending the working classes on to suburban lines—under certain circumstances this property would be suited for workmen's

cottages if trade revived—I believe the Orient Line has had inducements to go there—I believe the greater part of the gravel has been worked out; I don't think there is much more.

GUILTY .— Four Months' without Hard Labour.

Before Mr. Recorder.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-992
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentencesImprisonment > penal servitude

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Reference Numbert18871024-993
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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Reference Numbert18871024-995
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceMiscellaneous; Miscellaneous > sureties

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Reference Numbert18871024-996
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty
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Reference Numbert18871024-997
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SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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Reference Numbert18871024-998
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > hard labour

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998. HENRY SUMNER and FRANK BECKETT, Unlawfully inciting George William Pusey to steal a quantity of platinum, the property of the Postmaster-General.

MR. GILL Prosecuted.

GEORGE WILLIAM PUSEY . I am a mechanic employed in the telegraph instrument office at the General Post Office—on 15th September, about 6 o'clock in the evening, I was on my way home from the Post Office with a young man named Buchanan, also employed in the Post Office—in Angel Street I saw the two prisoners—I never saw them before—Sumner tapped me on the shoulder and asked me for a party named Wilkins or Wilcox; he said they were working in the telegraph instrument workshop—I said there was no one of that name there—he said "He must work there, as he promised to meet us here to-night to get some platinum for us"—while Sumner was speaking to me Beckett was standing about a yard a half off—I asked Sumner to describe the man—he described him as a little taller than Beckett, and of a fair complexion—he said he was a married man with three children, living in Holloway, and he used the Eaglet public-house—I asked him if they wanted him very particularly—he repeated that he had promised to meet them with some platinum; that they had had four pennyweights, and he was to bring some more; that they paid at the rate of 15s. an ounce—I said "Good night," and walked away—as I turned to go Sumner said "Do you think you could get me any of the stuff?"—I said "No"—he said "Do try and see what you can do for us"—I then saw their motive—he said he would meet us to-morrow night at the same place—I then went away—in the morning I communicated what had taken place to my superior officer in the Post

Office, and in consequence I saw the two prisoners on Friday evening they were together—the next evening, Friday, they came up outside the Post Office about 10 minutes past 6—I said to Suniner "You are late"—he said "Yes, we have had to go to get a clock. Have you anything for us?"—I said "No, I have not been able to get it, but I have a shop, mate who will get it for me"—I arranged to meet them again on the Monday—Beckett was not very close to Sumner, but I believe he could hear what was said—I proposed when I got the stuff we should go to a room in the General Post Office—Sumner proposed going to a public-house—I said I would not go to a public-house; it would not be safe, as there were so many Post Office people about—I said I would take them into a room at the Post Office, where the price should be arranged—I met the two prisoners at 6 o'clock on the Monday—we were about to enter the building when Beckett handed money to Sumner—we went through the north-west door into 52 A room—I then produced the platinum, undid it, and showed it to then—Sumner said "I am afraid you have got too much for us; we shall only be able to take part"—I said I had 3 3/4 ounces; I find since it was 31/4 ounces—Sumner said they had only 15s. 6d. with them—I asked Sumner to leave me his watch—Beckett replied sharply "No, it would look funny; I could not do that"—I asked Beckett to leave me his ring which he had on his finder—he said "All right," and took it off his finger—Sumner said "I will leave it for 10s."—I said "That is no use, make it 15s."—Beckett said "All right"—Sumner said "To-morrow night we will come and bring you the money for the ring; try and have some more stuff for us"—Sumner said "Can you get some covered wire for us about 10s. a pound?" and he said "Try and get some silver wire also"—Sumner gave me the 15s. 6d. and the ring; I handed them the platinum—I came out into the corridor; Constable Hawkes was there; he took the prisoners into custody—this it the ring and the platinum.

Cross-examined by Sumner. They use platinum in the shop in which I work—I did not say the detective had to go out and buy platinum before I could give it to you—I told you the platinum did not belong to me; I told you it was got from a party working in the Post Office service—you said to me the way Wilcox got stuff for you was that the stuff was dealt out; that so much was put into so many instruments, but that instead of putting the stuff in as it ought to have been, they cut it fine—you were not buying the platinum at the rate of 15s. an ounce—I don't know about the value of it—I mentioned no price per ounce for it.

GEORGE WILLIAM BUCHANAN . I am a telegraph messenger attached to the General Post Office—on 15th September I accompanied Pusey when ho went home—passing through Angel Street I saw the two prisoners—Sumner tapped Pusey on the shoulder, and asked him if he knew the name of Wilcox or Wilkins, he said this party was going to get him some platinum—Beckett was standing at that time about two yards behind—we walked along together, Sumner and Pusey in front together, and Beckett and me behind—Beckett said to me "It is evident Sumner has got the wrong name, or we should have been able to find him"—they were talking to Pusey altogether about a quarter of an hour—Beckett was not within hearing all that time.

FRANCIS TURNER . I am foreman of the post-office mechanics—this platinum weighs nearly 31/4 oz., and is worth from 23s. to 26s. an oz.

LAKE HANKS . I am a police constable attached to the General Post Office—on 19th September, from what was stated to me, I handed the parcel of platinum to Pusey—about 6 o'clock p.m. I was on the lookout and saw the two prisoners go into the post-office and into room 52A—I waited a few minutes, then I saw them coming out of the room and stopped them—I said "What are you doing here?" addressing both of them—Pusey said "They have bought some platinum from me"—I said to the prisoners "Is that true?"—Sumner said "Yes," and he produced this platinum from his trousers pocket—I took them to room 80, where Pusey repeated his statement and said "I have sold them this platinum for 15s. 6d., and a gold ring; the money I got from Sumner, and the ring from Beckett"—I said to the prisoners "You hear what this man says. What have you to say?"—Sumner answered "I did not know that it was stolen"—Beckett made no reply—I searched the prisoners, and on Sumner found a bottle of acid—I said "What is this?"—he said "It is some acid I brought to test the stuff with, I did not want to be done"—on Beckett I found a pawnbroker's duplicate relating to a gold ring pawned on the same day for 16s.

Sumner in his defence stated that he believed the pieces that were over were for the workmen; that he paid at the rate of 15s. an ounce for it, that it was only worth 18s. when in pieces, and that he had no intention of inciting Pusey to steal it.

GUILTY . The Jury added that they considered Beckett the lest guilty, SUMNER— Six Months' Hard Labour. BECKETT— Four Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-999
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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999. JAMES WOODLEY, Feloniously receiving a ham, the property of Thomas Francis James, well knowing it to have been stolen.

MR. TEMPLE Prosecuted; MR. BROUN Defended.

ALFRED BARK . I live at 7, Perseverance Place, Kew Road, Richmond—I sell fish from a barrow—on 25th August I went in the evening with Fennell, Donovan, Chamberlain, and Brag to Artichoke Alley—Fennell got over a wall, got a ham, and dropped it over the wall to Chamberlain, who carried it to the top of the alley—I went into Mr. Woodley's shop, and said "Please, Mr. Woodley, do you want to buy a ham?"—he said "Have you got one?"—I said "Yes"—he said "How much do you want for it?"—I said "Half-a-crown; wait a moment, I will fetch it"—I fetched it, and said "Here it is; give me the half-crown"—he gave me a half-crown—I put the ham on the counter, and he put it underneath the counter—that was the whole of the conversation—he did not ask me where I got it—I have been punished for the stealing—three of us got one month each.

Cross-examined. I do not know whether the prisoner buys kitchen refuse.

THOMAS FENNELL . I live at 2 Red Lion Street, Richmond, and am a greengrocer—on the evening of 25th August I was near Mr. James's gate with the others—I got over the wall, and took the ham out of a tub and brought it towards the gate—I stood there for five minutes till all was right, and then I pitched it over the wall—I have been punished for this.

WILLIAM HARSEE . I am assistant to Thomas Francis James, cheesemonger, of George Street, Richmond—on 25th August a ham, value

7s. 6d., was stolen from a tub in our premises; it was in soak—I missed it on the 26th; it was not sold.

Cross-examined. I last examined it on the 24th; it was perfectly sound then—the weather was not particularly warm then—I examined it with a view to its soundness.

GEORGE BUSH (Detective Sergeant V). On the evening of 1st September Bark made a communication to me, in consequence of which I went to Mr. Woodley's shop, and told him I had come on rather unpleasant business—he was rather busy, and made no answer—I said I bad come to see him about a ham that he had received from a lad named Bark, and that had been stolen from Mr. James's shop on the Thursday previous—he said "I don't know anything about any ham"—I said "I must tell you Bark is in custody, and he told me you purchased the ham of him"—he said "Supposing I did; I did not know it was stolen"—I told him I should take him into custody for receiving the ham—he was taken to the station and charged—when in the dock he said he did not know the ham was stolen.

Cross-examined. I know nothing against the prisoner—at the police court a reverend gentleman came and gave him a character—I arrested him about a week after the robbery—he is a marine store dealer.

ALFRED BARK (Re-examined by the COURT). I had known the prisoner before; I lived almost by the side of his shop once—I don't think he knew me.

The prisoner received a good character.


NEW COURT.—Monday, October 24th, 1887.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1000
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1001
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1001. WILLIAM JESSOP (36) Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. WILKINSON Prosecuted.

FANNY COURTICE . My husband is a hairdresser, of 234, Strand—on September 20th, between 6 and 7 p.m., I served the prisoner with a threepenny cake of unscented soap—he gave me a half-crown—I gave him 2s. 3d. change, and he left—while he was in the shop I tried to bend the coin with some teeth on the counter—it did not bend, but I marked it after he left, and then put it in the till—I afterwards gave it to a customer in change, who brought it back the next evening with a piece taken out of it; this is it (produced)—I put it in my pocket, and afterwards gave it to the police—about a quarter of an hour after the customer left, the prisoner came in and asked for threepennyworth of unscented soap—he put down a coin, and I put my hand on it, not knowing whether it was good or bad—I gave it to the constable; this is it.

WILLIAM HEAD (Policeman E 322). On 21st September I was called to Mr. Courtice's shop, and found the prisoner there—Mrs. Courtice said that he had come in the night previous for threepennyworth of

unscented soap, and gave her a bad half-crown, and on that night he had passed a florin for some unscented soap—he said "I know nothing of the bad half-crown; I was not there"—Mrs. Courtice handed me this half half-crown and florin—when the prisoner was charged at the station he said "I know nothing of the bad half-crown, and I did not think the florin was a bad one"—I found on him a good sixpence and three halfpence—he was asked his address, and said that he had no home.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . I am Inspector of Coin to Her Majesty's Mint—these coins are both counterfeit.

The prisoner in his statement before the Magistrate and in his defence stated that he did not know that he gave the half-crown on the first occasion, and did not know that the florin was bad.

WLLLLIAM HEAD (Re-examined). I have no doubt that he said he was not there the previous night.

GUILTY .— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1002
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1002. GEORGE GRAHAM (20) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin twice within ten days.

MR. WILKINSON Prosecuted.

ELIZABETH ALBRETT . My husband keeps a coffee-shop at 3, Kilburn Park Road—on September 19th, in the afternoon, I served the prisoner with a kipper, a pint of coffee, and two slices of bread and butter—he gave me a half-crown, and I gave him. 1s. 8 1/2 d. change, and put the coin in my pocket—I gave it to my husband when he came home—on 24th September I served the prisoner again—he gave me a bad florin—I gave him 1s. 8 1/2 d. change, and gave the coin to my husband—he went to the police-station, and came back with a policeman and gave the prisoner in custody—I knew the prisoner before by his coming into our shop—these (produced) are the coins.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. My husband brought back a bad half-crown from market on 19th September, the same day that you passed this one to me.

FERDINAND ALBRETT . On 19th September, about 6 p.m., my wife handed me this half-crown—I found it was bad, took it upstairs, and put it with this other half-crown (produced), which I had received four or five days previously—I gave them both to the constable—on 24th September, in the evening, I saw the prisoner in the house, and my wife called my attention to this bad florin (produced)—I said to the policeman "I want to have this man charged with passing bad money to me"—the prisoner said "That is all the money I have got with me"—he said at the station that he had not been at my shop for the last fortnight.

NOAH GRIMMER (Policeman X 315). On 24th September, about 6.15, Mr. Albrett called me, and said "I shall give this man in custody for passing bad money"—the prisoner said "I did not know it was bad"—I found 1s. 8 1/2 d. in his waistcoat pocket—I took him to the station; he gave his address, 113, Oakley Street, Westminster—at the station the prosecutor said "That man has been at my coffee-house on two occasions, and gave me two bad half-crowns"—the prisoner said nothing to that—I received these three coins from Mr. Albrett.

LYDIA PAYNE . I live at 118, Oakley Street, Westminster Bridge Road—the prisoner does not live there; I know nothing of him.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . These two half-crowns and florin are bad.

Prisoner's Defence. I was not in the shop on the 19th.

GUILTY *†.— Fifteen Months' Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.—Tuesday, October 25th, 1887.

Before Mr. Justice Grantham.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1003
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1003. WALTER THOMAS (47) , Feloniously attempting to set fire to the dwelling-house of John Brown, persons being therein.

MR. WARBURTON Prosecuted.

HENRY SIMMONDS (Police Sergeant X 25). About 7.30 on the morning of 22nd September I was called to 2, Chippenham Road—I there saw the prisoner and a crowd outside the house—two females said that man (the prisoner) had wilfully set lire to a house or a lot of things in the front kitchen—I saw a quantity of smoke issuing from the grating—I told the prisoner he would have to go downstairs with me; he did so—I saw a fire and a lot of articles on a bed, smouldering—two portions of a spirit lamp had been taken out and turned upside down on the bed, and the other part of the lamp was empty on the table—three chairs were on the bed and women's apparel piled up—I told the prisoner he would be charged with setting fire to the bed in the front kitchen—he said "I did set fire to it, I don't know what for; it is all through her"—he lived in the front kitchen—he was not the worse for drink.

EDWARD GOSLING . I am a fireman of the Metropolitan Fire Brigade—at 7.30 on the morning of 22nd September I was called to this house—I saw smoke coining out of the basement—a female in her nightdress opened the door—I went into the basement—the door was a little way open—the foot of the bed was towards the door, and a lot of things were piled on the bed, two chairs and some dresses, all well alight on the bed—I pulled it off and got some water and threw three or four pailfuls over it—a paraffin lamp stood on the table; the burner was taken out, and was on the bed with a wick attached to it—there was a strong smell of paraffin in the room—I left all undisturbed till my superior arrived.

ELIZA PEWIN . I am the wife of Charles Pewin, wood cutter, and live at 2, Chippenham Road—we occupy the top floor; the prisoner occupied the basement—his wife went away the night before the fire—I had not heard them quarrelling—I know the prisoner had been drinking, and she cried for help—about a quarter to 7 on the morning of the 22nd September I was in bed—in consequence of what I heard I went downstairs—I found a lot of smoke on the premises—I let she fireman in—I saw the prisoner going through the passage towards the front door—he went out into Chippendale Road—I had not seen him in the kitchen—I saw him there after the policeman came in—I saw the prisoner sitting in the kitchen and a policeman standing by him.

Cross-examined. I should say you were sober—you had been drinking for the last fortnight before this, but not so much since the last Saturday—I heard you say in the kitchen that you had set fire to the premises.

ANNIE BROWN . I am the wife of John Brown, a bootmaker, and live with him at this house—we occupy the shop and parlour—on 22nd of September I was in bed and was aroused by Mrs. Pewin—I did not

hear the prisoner say anything—I had heard the prisoner making a great disturbance the night before.

The prisoner in his defence stated that he had been drinking heavily, and did not remember setting fire to the things.

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1004
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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MR. BESLEY Prosecuted.

GUILTY on both Counts. Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Tuesday, October 25th, 1887.

Before Mr. Recorder.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1005
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentencesImprisonment > hard labour

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1005. FRANK BINGHAM ADAMS (26) PLEADED GUILTY to forging and uttering, also to unlawfully making a false declaration, also to forging and uttering a certain deed with intent to defraud.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

For the other cases tried this day, see Surrey Cases.

THIRD COURT.—Tuesday, October 26th, 1887.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1006
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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1006. JOHN AMOS (20) and RICHARD COHEN (19) , Unlawfully possessing counterfeit coin with intent to utter it.

MR. BODKIN Prosecuted.

FRIEND OATES (City Policeman 213). On the night of 29th September I was in Noble Street—I saw the two prisoners talking together—I saw Amos take a paper out of his inside breast coat pocket—there was some coin in the paper—Amos left Cohen and went into the Post Office public-house—Cohen waited at the corner of the street—Amos came out of the public-house and joined Cohen—they went from there into Paternoster Row—Cohen called in a public-house there, Amos waited outside—Cohen came out and joined the other prisoner, and they went along to St. Andrew's Hill, where Amos went into another public-house, leaving Cohen outside—he came out and joined Cohen, and they went along to Queen Victoria Street, where Amos called in another public-house, while Cohen waited outside—he came out and they went along Upper Thames Street—I there spoke to Constable Hall, and then I said to the prisoners "I am a police officer; you have got some bad money on you"—they made no reply—with the assistance of Hall they were taken to the station—I searched Amos, and in his inside breast coat pocket I found a counterfeit half-crown and two counterfeit florins wrapped up singly in paper and 1s. 4d. good money—I found on Cohen 5s. good money—the prisoners were charged at the station—they made no answer to the charge.

FREDERICK HALL (City Policeman 539). I assisted in taking the prisoners into custody and taking them to the station—on Cohen sitting

down in the reserve room he moved his hand in the direction of the corner; I went there and found this half-crown—I said "What is this?"—he said "It is half-a-crown; I own I put it there"—that is all that passed.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . These coins are all bad.

The prisoners in their statements before the Magistrate and in their defence said that they had picked up a bag belonging to a bank, inside that being a stocking in which was the counterfeit coin wrapped in paper; that Amos carried the bag, giving Cohen one coin out of it, and that they did not know it was bad, and had not tried to utter it.

FRIEND OATES (Re-examined). I found this stocking leg and this bag in Amos' back coat pocket—on the bag is "Union Bank, London"—there was nothing inside it—the coins were not in the same pocket as the stocking and the bag.

GUILTY .— Judgment respited.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1007
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1007. HENRY BRYANT (20) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. BODKIN Prosecuted; MR. HUTTON Defended.

GEORGE SHEPHERD . I am 13 years old, and live at 36, Davisfield Road, Starch Green, Shepherd's Bush, with my parents—on 26th September I was in Davisfield Road, about 6.30 p.m., when just as I got to the top of the Askew Road the prisoner asked me to go and fetch him some sweets, giving me a half-crown—just before I had seen him stoop and take something out of his boot—I went in, bought the sweets, paid with the half-crown, and gave the change, a shilling, two sixpences and fourpence, with the sweets to the prisoner—he was not then where I had left him—I walked down the street, and he came running behind me, and asked me if I had got the sweets—he gave me a halfpenny, and then went on, and I took no more notice of him—later in the evening I was going down the Askew Road, and looking into Mr. Cosgrove's sweet stuff shop, which is nearly opposite the one into which I had gone—I noticed a boy in the shop—I heard some talking going on—I spoke to Mrs. Cosgrove, and then went back to the shop I had first gone into, and a half-crown was there shown me—on 11th October I went to the Thames Police-court with Constable Gibson, and noticed the prisoner among seven men in a room there.

Cross-examined. It was at 7.30 I saw the prisoner—it was dark; he came behind me—he told me to get the sweets just round the corner—I knew where the place was—he was at my side then—I took the half-crown at once, directly he came up to me, and gave him the sweets at once—I had no conversation with him—I came away at once.

By the JURY. I don't know where he took the half-crown from—he took something from his boot—he handed me the half-crown after that.

By MR. HUTTON. I cannot say if he had anything in his hand before he stooped down.

CLARA ISZAT . I am assistant to my aunt, who keeps a confectioner's shop, at 175, Askew Road—on 26th September, about half-past 7 p.m., the last witness came in for two pennyworth of cream fondants—he gave me half-a-crown—I gave him the sweets, and one shilling, two sixpences, and four pence change—I gave the half-crown to my aunt—after the boy had gone I went back to my aunt, and found the half-crown in her hand—I gave it to Gibson the next morning—the same evening I showed it

to a gentleman who came in, and I then found it was bad—this is the coin the boy tendered; the date on it is 1874.

Cross-examined. I do not identify the prisoner.

GEORGE SHEPHERD (Re-examined by MR. HUTTON). When I went to the station I saw the prisoner among six other men—they were all older than he—he was the only young man.

ALFRED GIBSON (Detective T). On 27th September Clara Iszat gave me this coin—it has been in my possession ever since—on 11th October I went with George Shepherd to the Thames Police-court, where he was taken into the cell passage at the rear of the court, and shown five men and the prisoner—Shepherd went along the passage and looked at the men, and as he came back he touched the prisoner and said "This is the man that gave me the half-crown to buy the sweets"—the prisoner said nothing.

Cross-examined. The men were spread out in a row in the passage—the boy went past them, came back, and then pointed the prisoner out.

ALEXANDER LEVER . I am 14, and live at 2, Abbott's Cottages, Lime-house—on 3rd October, about a quarter to 9 p.m., I trod on the prisoner's toe at the corner of the Burdett Road—I said "I beg your pardon"—he said "Granted"—I walked away; I looked back at him, and he called out "Here"—I went back, and he said "Do you know if there is a butcher's shop round the corner?"—I said "Yes, there is MacMillan's "—he said "Will you go and get me half a pound of nice ten penny steak, and I will give you a penny for yourself"—he gave me a half-crown which he took from his right hand trousers pocket—I went to MacMillan's shop, asked for the steak, and paid with the half-crown—they changed it, and then the shopman said "Let me have a look at it"—I gave him the steak and the change back, and I came out to find the prisoner, but he was gone; I could not find him—after some time I saw a constable taking the prisoner to the station—I had some conversation with the constable, and then gave the half-crown to the constable at the station.

Cross-examined. It was a quarter to 9 when I trod on his toe—I know the time because I looked at it when I came from work—I come from work at all times; I do not always look at the time—I work at Anderson and Abbott's, which is close by my home—I leave work at half-past 6 or 7 or 8—I do not very often leave as late as a quarter to 9—I was alone—I had not been with any other boys; I had left work alone—I am quite sure it was a quarter to 9—they discovered the half-crown was bad while I was in the shop—I was in there about five minutes—I came out of the shop alone—I looked for a constable as I was told to for five minutes—I went home and had tea, and came out with my father about an hour afterwards, and I saw the prisoner in custody about a quarter to 10—I went up and asked the constable if there was a man taken for uttering counterfeit coin, and then told him what had happened to me, when I heard he had been taken for uttering—my depositions were read over to me at the police-court—I did not notice that they had omitted to take down anything about my treading on the man's toes.

MARY NELSON . I am assistant to Mr. MacMillan, a butcher, of 801, Commercial Road—on the evening of 3rd October, Lever came in and told me to take fivepence out of a half-crown for half a pound of steak—I gave him the change, and the man gave him the steak—I put the coin in the till, and took it out again on account of its looking so dull—I sounded it

on the board, and asked the boy if it was a good one—the man tried it on a slab and found it was bad—I gave it back to the boy, who gave me back the steak and the change.

Cross-examined. This was about a quarter to 9 as near as I could tell—there was no other half-crown in the till—I did not lose sight of it.

WILLIAM JORDAN . I am 14 years old, and live at 18, Penning Street, Limehouse—on 3rd October I was walking in Salmon's Lane at 9 p.m., when the prisoner came up and asked me if I would go and get him two chops at this shop—I was near No. 211, Mr. Buck's shop—he gave me a half crown, and told me to pay about 1s.—I went and asked for the chops, and paid with the half-crown, which Miss Steigler put in the till—they came to 8d.; I had 1s. 10d. change, which I took with the chops to the prisoner, who was outside the boot shop next to No. 211—this was about 9o'clock.

Cross-examined. Salmon's Lane is about five minutes' walk from Abbott's Cottages—I first saw the prisoner outside a boot shop; as I walked along he stopped me—I was alone—I was coming from work—I go on Monday and Saturday to a savings bank connected with my school—I leave there about half-past 8—that night I stayed with the old lady, which made it about 9 o'clock—the prisoner gave me a penny which he had promised me, after I gave him the chops and change, and I went away—he waited outside the butcher's shop while I was in.

AMOS BALDWIN . I am about 9 years old, and live at Hobson's Place, Limehouse, with my parents—on the evening of 30th October I was in the street near Hobson's Place, when the prisoner said to me "Tommy, will you go and get me a pound of black pudding? I will give you a penny when you come back"—he gave me half-a-crown to pay for the pudding—I went to Mr. Buck's shop, asked for the pudding, and put the coin on the counter—the Missus put it in the till, took it out again, and took it into another room—she came out and spoke to me—a constable was sent for, and I and the constable went out together—we looked in I public-house and went up the street, and then I saw the prisoner going along—I was alone—I went to the police station—I saw the prisoner taken into custody.

Cross-examined. I do not know the other boys; I had never seen them before that evening—I don't know what time it was I saw the prisoner—I had come from my own home when the prisoner stopped me—I was not playing about—I generally go to bed at 8 o'clock—it was after 8 on this evening I am sure; perhaps it was a little after 9—the black pudding was not given to me—when I came out the prisoner had gone—I saw a constable a few minutes after that—I next' saw the prisoner coming by a neighbour's shop—I said something to the constable who took the prisoner into custody—that was about 10 minutes after I first went into the butcher's shop—I only saw the prisoner for a second or so—I had no conversation with him—he gave me the half-crown, and I went straight away—I was not with him for more than a minute.

By the COURT. I have no doubt of the prisoner being the man.

CAROLINE STEIGLER . I am assistant at Mr. Buck's shop, 211, Salmon's Lane, Limehouse—on 3rd October Jordan came in for two pork chops, sixpence each—he gave me a half crown, which I put in the till—I gave him the chops and change—I cannot say if there were any other half-crowns in the till—the same evening Baldwin came in for a pound of

black pudding, and gave me a half-crown—I gave it to Mr. Buck, who tried it and found it was bad—he then looked in the till, and he there found these four more, exactly like it—a policeman was sent for, and he and the boy went away together—they went to the station, and then, Mr. Buck was fetched to the station.

Cross-examined. I did not put the coin that Baldwin gave me in the till, but I gave it to Mr. Buck, who bent it and said it was bad—I did not notice whether there were any other half-crowns in the till when, I put the first one in—Jordan came in from half-past 8 to 9—Baldwin was in just a little before half-past 9.

CHARLES BUCK . I am a pork butcher, of 211, Salmon's Lane, Lime-house—on 3rd October four children came in, asked for things, and each paid with a bad half-crown—about half-past 9 Baldwin came in for half a pound of black pudding and tendered a half-crown, which Miss Steigler came and showed to me—I found it was bad; this is the one—I looked in my till, and found there these four more—there were no other half-crowns in the till—I gave the four to the police constable who had previously been sent for—this last one I took to Arbour Square Station afterwards, when I was sent for.

Cross-examined. I empty my till twice during the day, after dinner at 2 o'clock, and at night at 10 or 11 o'clock—at 8 o'clock there were none of these half-crowns there; there were only a few shillings and sixpence—I looked in then; there was about one pound altogether—these half-crowns were taken between 8 and half-past 9.

BENJAMIN MORGAN (Policeman K 408). On the evening of 3rd October I was called to 211, Salmon's Lane, where—I saw Baldwin, Buck, and Miss Steigler—Buck handed me these four coins—I spoke to the boy and went with him up Salmon's Lane in search of the prisoner—Baldwin picked the prisoner out of several others going down Salmon's Lane—I followed the prisoner; he went to the pork butcher's, 211, Salmon's Lane, and looked through the window—he then went on to Commercial Road, where I apprehended him—I told him I should take him into custody for tendering the half-crown to the boy Baldwin, to go and change at Buck's shop, 211, Salmon's Lane—the prisoner said "I am as much to be believed as the boy"—I told him I should take him to the station—he refused to come, and dragged away, and said he would not come unless I got a cab—I said I could not get a can to convey a prisoner that distance, as he was only 300 or 400 yards from the station—he seemed to have no difficulty in walking—he said he felt ill—at the station when searched only a farthing was found on him—Mr. Buck gave me these coins and Lever gave me this one.

Cross-examined. I was searching him at a quarter to 10—I found no chops on him—my deposition was read over to me at the office at the police-court—I said there he said he would not go to the police-station without a cab; I did not remark on that being omitted—the prisoner said "Am I not going to be believed as well as those boys?"—I said boy at the police-court—he said first boy and then boys—when only one boy was present he said "That boy," and then when charged he said "Those boys:"

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . These half-crowns are all counterfeit—the one uttered to Shepherd is from the same mould as that uttered to Miss Steigler.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I was passing down Salmon's Lane when two of those boys pushed against me. I went to Dr. Barnardo's; when I came back I was arrested; I could not understand it. I had had no money. I am so ill I can hardly walk."

Witnesses for the Defence.

ELIZABETH ANN BRYANT . I live at 23, West India Dock Road, London, with my son and my husband, who is timekeeper and caretaker of that house—we have been there 12 months—my son has been in bad health, and has abscesses on the leg, and is very much in the house—I remember the 26th September, because the 25th September is our wedding-day, and we have always before been able to keep it up—on the 26th my son was not outside the door all day; he could not have gone out without my knowing it—on October 3rd I was with him a great deal—on the evening of that day I went out with him about a quarter to 7; he expressed his intention of going to the Free Library, which is three-quarters of an hour's walk from us—I left him in Salmon's Lane at a quarter to 7—the next thing I heard of him was that he was locked up—he was admitted to bail.

Cross-examined. The prisoner was very ill on the Sunday and Monday, and quite unable to walk, and on September 26th he was in bed till half-past 4; then he rose and got his tea, and went out with the intention of going to the Free Library if he could go so far—it might have been a quarter-past 7 when I left him in Salmon's Lane on the Monday.

Re-examined. My son is in delicate health, and is often laid up—I am quite confident he was not out of the house on September 26th.

By the COURT. We occupy three rooms in the house—my son sleeps in one of the bedrooms.

JOHN GLEN . I live at 132, Bow Common Lane, Burdett Road, and am a furnace builder—I am second steward, deputy steward, at Dr. Barnardo's tabernacle—on 3rd October there was a temperance lecture from 8 o'clock till 5, 10 or 15 minutes to 10—no plate was handed round for subscription on that night—I have only seen the prisoner there once—he was there on October 3rd; it was crowded, but not to excess that night—he must have been there before half-past 8, because I saw him while we were singing the first or second hymn—I cannot say what time he left—I saw him there from 25 minutes past 9 to 25 minutes to 10—I am sure he did not leave before then; that was on October 3rd; there is no doubt about that—there is another steward who knows the prisoner; he was here all yesterday.

Cross-examined. It is a small hall, holding 500 or 600 people, I should think—there were 400 people there on 3rd October—my duty is to superintend the other stewards—that was the only time I ever saw the prisoner—I do not know him as one of the frequenters of the hall—I cannot say if he was dressed as he is now—we have meetings every Monday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday—I only attend on Sunday, Monday, and sometimes Saturday—while we were singing a hymn the prisoner sat down; that called my attention to him—I move about the place—I don't know what time the prisoner left—from half-past 9 to 20 minutes to 10 I go to the pledge table on the right-hand side of the door through which people go out—I don't know if the prisoner passed me then—I never look at people as they go out—I know the prisoner did not leave until I took the table, about 20 minutes

to 10—we should notice if a man went in and out of the meeting—I do not move about the hall when there is nothing to call my attention—Mr. Nichols, the church secretary, called me to the front about a quarter or 20 minutes past 9—a man could have come in then without my knowing it—I saw the prisoner at a quarter-past 9 when I came up the aisle—I saw him before that time.

The prisoner received a good character.

GUILTY .— Six Months' Imprisonment.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1008
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1008. OCTAVIUS WELHAM (22) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. WILKINSON Prosecuted.

SUSANNAH HILL . I am the wife of Walter Creffield Hill—we keep a hairdresser's and tobacconist's shop at 2, Woodchester Street, Harrow Road—on 22nd September the prisoner came in about 5 p.m. for half an ounce of tobacco, price 2d.—he gave me a new half-crown in payment—I gave it to my husband for change, and he gave it to a customer named Morrison—he gave me change, a florin and 4d., which I gave to the prisoner, deducting 2d.—I gave the prisoner the tobacco wrapped in this piece of paper—afterwards Morrison went out and brought the half-crown back—I think this is the bad coin; I did not take much notice of it.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. My husband took it into the hairdressing saloon—you could not see him then—he did not sound it on the counter—he did not say "I think it is a good one."

WALTER CREFFIELD HILL . I am the husband of the last witness—on 22nd September, about half-past 5, she handed me a half-crown, which I handed to Mr. Morrison, a customer—he gave me change, which was given to the prisoner, after the price of the tobacco was deducted—the prisoner left—Mr. Morrison afterwards returned to the shop with the half-crown—this is it—I gave information to the police, and gave the coin to the constable Row.

Cross-examined. I did not sound the half-crown; Mr. Morrison did—I told Morrison I thought it was bad by the feel of it when I asked him for change—he sounded it twice and said he thought it was a good one—he took it away and brought it back.

CHARLES MORRISON . I am a cab proprietor, and live at 20, Elnathan Mews, Paddington—I was in the parlour of Mr. Hill's shop about 5.30—Hill handed me a half-crown and I gave him change for it—I put it in my pocket in the shop—I had no other half-crowns in my pocket—when I got home I took the half-crown out and examined it; I put it to my teeth, which sank in it; it was soft and bad—I took it back to Mr. Hill and gave it to him—this is the coin.

Cross-examined. I sounded it on the marble before I took it, and thought it was good—as soon as I pulled it out of my pocket my housekeeper said it was bad.

ADA HORN . I am assistant to Mr. Newling, a grocer, of 233, Harrow Road—on 22nd September the prisoner came in at half-past six or 20 minutes to 7 for half a pound of sugar—I saw the shopman Browning serve him—I take the cash—the prisoner put down half-a-crown on the counter—Browning asked him to pay at my desk—he came and put the coin down—I took it up and put it on one side, because I was not certain

if it was good, gave him change, and then I put it behind me—the prisoner took his change, two shillings, a threepenny-piece, and 2d., and left the shop—he had not gone far before he came back again for two ounces of tea—he was served with that, and gave me the threepenny-piece—after the prisoner had gone I gave the half-crown to Mr. Avory, the provision dealer, as he came by the desk—after I had given him the coin, and just as Mr. Avory had got to the door, the prisoner came back again for some bacon, which he paid for with a good sixpence—Mr. Avory followed the prisoner out of the shop and returned to the shop with him—Mr. Avory asked him if he had been in for two ounces of tea a little while ago—he said "No, mate; I have come straight from work"—Avory said he had, and the prisoner kept saying he had not—Avory took his name and address, and allowed him to leave—Avory followed him; he was brought back again to the shop; a policeman was sent for, and the prisoner was given into custody—I did not see the coin after I gave it to Mr. Avory—I cannot say if this is it.

YOUNG EDMUND AVORY . I am a shopman to Mr. Newling, a grocer, in Harrow Road—on 22nd September the last witness handed me this half-crown; as soon as she did so, I could tell by the feel it was bad—the prisoner came back to the shop—I asked him his name and address; he gave the address Fern head Road, Harrow Road—I followed, and saw him join another man about 50 yards from the shop round a corner—a little way down the street they parted, and then joined again, and then parted again—I went up to the prisoner and told him I should give him in charge—I went back to the shop with him—he said if he had done anything wrong he did not know it—I gave him in charge—I gave the coin that I had received from Miss Horn to the constable who took him.

Cross-examined. When I took the half-crown I said it was bad and gave it back to the cashier—it was as near 20 minutes to 7 as possible—the first and second time you only went out at the door and came back again, and then you came back again a third time—you did not come back a fourth time.

WALTER CREFFIELD HILL (Re-examined). I know this is the half-crown because I noticed the date 1878 on it—I marked it after you had gone—I examined it at the time, and I swear it is the one—whatever half-crown it was I gave it to Mr. Morrison.

CHARLES ROW (Policeman X 198). I was called to Mr. Newling's shop about 7 p.m. on 22nd September—I there saw the prisoner being detained by Mr. Avory—Avory told me the prisoner had passed a counterfeit half-crown, which he then produced—the prisoner said "I know I passed that half-crown here"—I then took him into custody and searched him; I found one shilling and three farthings, good, some memoranda, a bunch of keys, a knife, and this piece of paper, which, was shown to Mrs. Hill; she identified it—this half-crown I received from Mr. Avory—Mr. Hill's was given up at the station—at the station the prisoner was asked his address, and he gave 11, Fernhead Road, St. Peter's Park, Paddington—an envelope was found on him in his own name, with the address 114, Rupert Street, Queen's Park—he said that was his correct address.

Cross-examined. I am certain you used the word "passed"—I searched you.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . These coins are both counterfeit.

The prisoner in his defence stated that he must have pot a bad coin among the change he received at the Redan public-house, Westbourne Grove for a 20s. post-office order.

GUILTY .— Ten Months' Hard Labour.

FOURTH COURT.—Tuesday, October 25th, 1887.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1009
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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Reference Numbert18871024-1010
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
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Reference Numbert18871024-1011
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1011. JAMES MORGAN (32) to breaking and entering the shop of Walter Davis, and dealing therein a quantity of bacon and other articles; also to having been previously convicted.— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

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Reference Numbert18871024-1012
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown
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1012. CORNELIUS DALEY (25) and ALICE HAILES (22) , Stealing a watch and chain value 20l. from the person of Jacob Nathan. Second County receiving the same knowing them to be stolen.

Mr. PURCELL Prosecuted.

JAMES COLES . I am manager at the King's Arms, Houndsditch—on the night of 14th September Nathan was in the house treating some persons with drink—he asked Daley to show him to the urinal, which he did—when Nathan returned he said he had lost his chain—Hailes came in for half a pint of ale.

Cross-examined by Daley. You were in the house two or three hours before Nathan came in—you asked me to show him out, and I said "You show him to the back"—you pushed the door open and told him to go through—he had two drops of rum—he had his trousers a little bit down.

----SHEPHERD (Policeman 946). In consequence of a communication made to me by Police Constable Tate I followed the prisoners on the evening in question from Houndsditch through Duke Street into Aldgate—they passed into Leadenhall Street and stopped by the Church—Daley took something out of his pocket and showed it to Hailes—I passed them and went down by Cree Church Lane, and allowed them to pass me again, and followed thorn back to Houndsditch—they placed themselves in the doorway of the King's Arms, and shortly after Tate came up again and said to me, "They have got a gentleman's watch"—I went up to Daley and said, "Daley, give me that watch you have stolen"—he said "I have got no watch"—I put my hand round and found this watch with the bow broken off in his trousers pocket behind, and Tate then went to Hailes, who was a few yards off, and asked whose the watch was—she said "I know nothing about the watch"—I took them to the station, and on being searched Daley said "I have the chain," and he pulled same pocket behind—he said he found it but would not give any information—on that he was taken to the Guildhall Police-court.

JACOB NATHAN . I am a diamond merchant, of Klein's Hotel, Finsbury Square—this watch and chain are my property—I had them safe at the public-house—I had a little more to drink than I could carry—I went to the backyard—a man (Daley) and a woman I do not recollect took my watch and chain.

Cross-examined by Daley, I asked the manager the way out at the back,

and he asked you to show me—I went, and two ran after me and took away my watch and chain—I remember your face.

Daley in his statement before the Magistrate said that he found the watch and chain loose in the corner of the passage.

DALEY received a good characterGUILTY on the Second Count Six Months' Hard Labour.


24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1013
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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1013. ELIZA BINES (48) , Feloniously throwing upon Henry Bines a quantity of corrosive fluid, with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

MR. PURCELL Prosecuted.

HENRY BINES . I live at 54, Long Lane, Smith field, and am a butcher's salesman, employed by Messrs. Boyce and Gent—the prisoner, who is my wife, came to my place about 7 p.m. on 17th September—I was going across to the beer house to have a glass—she came in at the same time, and called for a glass of ale, which I paid for—going across the road she said, "I want some meat for my children"—I said, "You had better come and have it"—she came across to the shop and picked out two pieces of pork—she came outside and began talking to me and I said, "You must send my wife away, governor, or I can't stay here"—he told her if she didn't go away he should have her locked up, and she went away—she came back soon alter 9, and as I was coming out of the shop she hit me on the head with her umbrella and knocked my hat off—I caught the umbrella in my hand, and I then saw the flash of a bottle, and suspected what was coming—I held my head on one side, and there is where I caught most of it (Showing a burnt coat)—a splash came in my eye—I was blind for four days, and don't know what happened after that—I was taken to St. Bartholomew's Hospital, and am still under treatment—I have not lived with my wife since Easter—I have allowed her 13s. a week ever since—there are two children.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I have not constantly ill-used you—I went to America and left you with four young children—you came over unexpectedly—you did not find me married to a German there—you locked me up, but I was discharged—when we lived on a plantation in South Carolina I didn't, when you were confined, make a little box and put the child in because no doctor should see it—you were not blinded in your eyes for a fortnight some years ago by my misconduct—I dispute that you locked me up for bigamy.

JAMES STEPHEN BOYCE . I am a meat salesman at the Central Meat Market, and employ Bines—the prisoner came to the shop on the evening in question, and I told her that if she molested her husband while business was on I should lock her up—she went away, and came again soon after 9—I was in the counting-house, and she struck her husband across the head with an umbrella, knocking his hat off; she then took out a bottle and threw some stuff over him—the liquid went down his left side, and arms and hands particularly—he called out "Murder!" and I rushed out and caught her—the prosecutor was taken to the hospital—I told the prisoner she had done a line thing to throw this stuff in her husband's eyes, and if he had done anything wrong she had the law to protect her—she said "I don't care; I have had my revenge." (The Prisoner: I never made that remark. I said "Mr. Boyce, you don't know what a villain he has been to me, because he is so quiet and so shy." The Witness: "You said to me that I thought very

hardly of you now, but when the trial came on the facts would come out, and I would have a different opinion of you.")

EBENEZER MEARS (Chief Constable, Central Meat Market). I took the prosecutor to the hospital with Crawshaw—the prisoner afterwards said to me "I bought the stuff at Tottenham, and came over here on purpose to pay him out." The Prisoner: I didn't say I had come "to pay him out."

ARNOLD LINDEN , M.E.C.S. I attended to the prosecutor, who was suffering from injury to his eyes, apparently due to some highly corrosive fluid; his sight was not affected permanently—he remained some days under treatment—I saw the bottle which had contained one of the strongest mineral acids, nitric, hydrochloric, or sulphuric, which would produce such injuries.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I bought the vitriol. I intended to keep it in the house, as he had threatened to come down and knock me about. I afterwards changed my mind, and thought I would go and see him, because I wanted him to allow me two shillings a week more. I went up to see if he would give me a piece of meat for the children. I took the bottle with me; I didn't intend to throw it if he came up and spoke to me and made a proper arrangement about the children for the winter. If he didn't I intended to throw it over his clothes, but not with the intention of injuring his flesh. I never said 'I don't care; I have had my revenge.'"

GUILTY .— Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1014
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1014. WILLIAM PLUMM (20) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Edwin Martin, and steading therein 12 taps and other articles, value 12l.

MR. PURCELL Prosecuted.

EDWIN MARTIN . I am an ironmonger, of 68, "West India Dock Road—I went to bed at 10.45 on October 2nd, leaving a light in the shop window, which is covered with an iron grating—I was awakened by my daughter, when I heard a noise like something bumping against the shutters—I listened, and went to sleep again—my daughter again awoke me, and I went down—my wife came behind me, and she pointed to the window, where I saw a hand—I ran to the door, opened it, and caught the prisoner about 35 feet from the door—I said "I want, you, come along"—when we got to the shop he began to struggle—my wife blew a whistle, and that brought the police—he was searched at the station in my presence—I examined the window, and found some wet on the storeboard underneath—he had taken his pocket-handkerchief, which was sodden with water, to place on the ground to prevent the glass from making a noise, I suppose—I missed from the window a dozen taps, a paper of locks, a copper kettle, 12 parcels of knives, a parcel of scissors, and a razor, amounting to about 12l.—the bars were broken right away, and a hole made about 12 inches square.

THOMAS DRISCOLL . I am a labourer, of Limehouse—about 11.30 p.m. on October 2nd I was with a friend named Mills and two young women, and we saw the prisoner with his hands in the window—he went a few yards down past Martin's when Martin came out and caught him.

HENRY CHAPMAN (Policeman KR 59). I heard a noise at the time in question, and proceeded back towards the prosecutor's shop, and saw him run out and seize the prisoner—Constable Allen (545) took him in

custody—there were several others about—I apprehended another man "who was discharged.


24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1015
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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1015. NATHAN CAHAN (35) , Soliciting and inciting Thomas Richards to commit a felony.

MR. POLAND, for the Prosecution, offered no evidence.


24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1016
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1016. JOHN HARRIS (26) , Stealing 15 yards of silk, the goods of James Hicks, his master.

MR. PURCELL Prosecuted.

THOMAS HICKS . I am manager to my father, trading as Hicks and Co., of 239, Mile End Road—the prisoner was in our employ until June 22nd last—about the lst July we missed about 15 yards of silk, of which this is a pattern (produced)—I saw it safe in the mantle room on the 20th June when I showed it to a customer—a reward was offered for its recovery, and we communicated with the police—on 13th September we received a communication from Messrs. Rutter Brothers, who enclosed us this pattern—a detective called on us, and I went with him to Bethnal Green Station, where I saw the prisoner and the silk—I charged the prisoner with stealing it—he said he bought it in Cheapside, and Mr. Hicks would rue the charge he was making—he lived on the premises as second mantle hand, and would have access to the silk between 8.30 a.m. and the time we closed.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. My father went to the Tottenham Court Road Police-station to identify the silk—instructions were left that you were to be detained if you called—I had seen the silk before I charged you with stealing it—I told the inspector it was stolen in the middle of July last—I did not account for you stealing it by saying that you had been seen in the neighbourhood—I did not say I had last seen the silk on the 26th June; that was my birthday, and I was out of business the greater part of the day—you left us on the 22nd—you could get access from the room by slipping in in the morning when the boy called in to do the sweeping—Bottomley was in the same room with you—I did not pay that I intended to withdraw from the charge—we have not any of the same goods in stock now, and have not been able to trace any amongst our customers.

By the COURT. I swear we had this in stock on the 20th June—we have no private mark on the goods—I have not admitted that I know nothing about the goods before the Magistrate—after leaving us the prisoner entered the employ of Messrs. Rutter and Co., the second prosecuting firm—we have not found the second piece.

MCDOWELL (Detective D). I saw the prisoner in custody at the Tottenham Court Road, when he was charged with the unlawful possession of two pieces of silk—he was charged with that at Maryborough Street, and remanded till the 9th—he was ultimately discharged on the charge of unlawful possession, as we had no knowledge of the owner of the property—we retained charge of the silk, and on the 9th September the prisoner came to the station for it, by which time we had received information, and instead of giving him the silk we detained him—I said he was charged with having stolen it from Mr. Hicks—he said he was in his employ, and asked to go to the closet—Mr. Hicks had seen the silk before.

The prisoner, in his defence, mid he bought the silk, which he afterwards lost.


24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1017
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1017. JOHN HARRIS was again indicted fur stealing 6 yards of silk, the goods of John Rutter, his master.

—MCDOWELL (Detective D). When I told the prisoner he would be charged with stealing Hicks' silk, he said, "Can I go to the w.c.?"—an officer in uniform said "Yes, you can go," and he tried to dispose of two pawntickets in the closet relating to silk pawned in the name of Charles Morris—I said the tickets did not belong to him, and I went to Mr. Rutter—when he came up on remand in the other case ho was charged with stealing Butter's silk.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I was at the Tottenham Court Road Police-station when you were brought in—I was in the reserve room—I saw the pawn tickets taken out of the w.c. with the tongs.

GEORGE MURRAY (Policeman 196 D). I was at Tottenham Court Road Station when the prisoner was charged—the inspector told me to accompany him to the w.c, which I did—he said he had diarrhoea, and I gave him some brown paper to go to the rail with—he drew out a book and dropped something down the closet—I called another constable and went and told the inspector, and came back—I told him what had occurred, and after we got him off the closet we saw something floating on the water—two pawn tickets were pulled out, one for brochs silk and the other for a coat.

Cross-examined. I was at the Tottenham Court Road Police-station when you asked for the goods—I did not hear the inspector say he had instructions to detain you for felony.

WILLIAM JAMES ATTFIELD . I am a buyer employed by Rutter Brothers, drapers, Walworth Road—on the 9th September I was shown the pawn ticket relating to the 6 yards of silk broche—I went to the pawnbrokers with an officer and identified it—the prisoner had been in Messrs. Butter's employ for a fortnight, and left on the 22nd or 23rd August—the silk was kept in the shop, to which the prisoner had access; it was not missed.

Cross-examined. We have two sets of premises, each having a number of shops; these silks are not kept in the mourning shop, or where I am employed, in the mantle shop; we bought the full length of it; I cannot say what length it was; there might have been more of the same kind in the warehouse where it was bought; no doubt the piece found at the pawnbroker's was cut from the piece I produce—I do not buy these things; I cannot say how long it was in stock; you were not employed in that department, but had the run of it; you were not supposed to sell goods; you were turned from the mantle department into the place where these things are kept—a man had left us two or three days before you, named Leigh Jones; another may have left; we had a satisfactory reference with you.

Re-examined. The prisoner was discharged thus: he asked to go out for a few minutes one morning with a friend or two and did not return; at about 4 o'clock he was taken to the Carter Lane Police-station helplessly drunk, and was fined 5s.

THOMAS LEMON . I am assistant to Mr. Robinson, pawnbroker, of Mortimer Street, and produce 6 yards of broche silk pawned with us on 30th August for 14s. in the name of Charles Morris, which I took in, but

cannot recognise the prisoner; this duplicate was given to the person pledging it; the address is given as Windmill Street.

The prisoner, in his defence, stated that he bought the ticket for the silk of a man who was in need; that it was impossible for him to have taken the silk from Rutter's, and if he had taken it on the day he left it would have been found on him at the police-station; that he had no intention of leaving that day; that a friend came for him, and he was the victim of very foul play, as he was drugged in a public-house close by and was found in a costermonger's barrow without his hat and was taken the next morning before the Magistrate and fined 10s.; he was too bad to give any explanation as to how he was found, but he only had two glasses of stout, and he was perfectly innocent.

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.—Wednesday, October 26th, 1887.

Before Mr. Grantham.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1018
VerdictMiscellaneous > no agreement

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1018. SIDNEY HERBERT JONES (21) , Robbery with violence on Sarah Jane Symons, and stealing a sovereign. Second Count, for demanding money with menaces.

MR. CHARLES MATHEWS and MR. HORACE AVORY Prosecuted. The Jury being unable to agree were discharged without returning any verdict, and the case was adjourned to the next Session.

NEW COURT.—Wednesday, October 26th, 1887.

Before Mr. Recorder.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1019
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Miscellaneous > fine

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1019. ANTONY GLYKE (30) PLEADED GUILTY to seven indictments for forging and uttering bills for 1,000l., 2,000l., 2,500l., and other sums, with intent to defraud.

MR. POLAND, for the Prosecution, stated that the prisoner's forgeries amounted to 71,500l.— Ten Years' Penal Servitude, and to pay the costs of the prosecution and 100l. compensation.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1020
VerdictNot Guilty > fault

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1020. URBAN ARTHUR GODTZ and EDWARD BISHOP, Unlawfully conspiring together to defraud Thomas Percy Graham of 28l.


for Godtz, and MR. FULTON appeared for Bishop. During the progress of the case the RECORDER considered that, as it could not be proved that Bishop was ever in communication with Godtz, the cast against him must fail in point of law, and as Godtz could not conspire alone both prisoners must be acquitted.


24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1021
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1021. URBAN ARTHUR GODTZ was again indicted for unlawfully obtaining 28l. from Thomas Percy Graham, by false pretences, to which he


MR. WILLIAMS, for the Prosecution, stated that there was no desire to press the case against the prisoner, as he had already suffered two months' imprisonment for a similar offence, to which this was anterior.— three Days' Imprisonment.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1022
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > hard labour

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1022. ALFRED WREN WATTS (22), JOHN GRANT ANGUS (25), and GEORGE KEDGLEY (29) , Stealing a post letter containing two postal orders, the property of Her Majesty's Postmaster-General, to which



NORMAN GRAY . I aw a clerk, at 24, Garlock Road, Camberwell—on 24th June I bought these two postal orders for 20s. each, at Charing Cross Post-office—I crossed them "& Co.," and put them in a letter addressed to Messrs. Webster and Co., Boulogne-sur-Mer, which I gave to Mr. Hine.

ALEXANDER HINE . I am a clerk at 15, Seething Lane—I was in the employ of the same firm as Mr. Gray, and on 24th June he gave me a Mer"—it had a postage stamp, and I affixed an additional late stamp, and posted it at Charing Cross about 6.30.

JHON BELL I am a first class clerk in the Post-office, St. Martine's-le-Grand Foreign branch—a letter posted at Charing Cross before 7 would reach the head office about 7 or a quarter past-Angus and Watts were employed in sorting foreign letters—they came on duty at 5 p.m., and left about 8—this letter might pass through their hands; they had access to the bag—Watts absented himself on the morning of September 20th—Angus had done so the week previous-they had not obtained leave of absence or given me notice.

Cross-examined. Watts has been in the post-office over five years, and has been promoted—there are 80 or 100 sorters in the foreign Department, all of whom would have access to the bag—Watts had no special duty with regard to the bag more than the others—he has borne a high character there, and was a rising man in the office.

JAMES LAURIE . I am in the employ of James Webster, of Boulognesur-Mer—I open all his letters, and stamp the postal orders—these postal orders produced do not bear our stamp—they never reached us.

CHARLES HUBBARD . I am a fancy box maker, of 129, New North Road, Hoxton-Kedgley was my carman four years—he gave me these two postal orders—I gave him 2l. for them.

GEORGE KEDGLEY (The Prisoner). I have pleaded guilty to this charge—I was four years carman to Mr. Hubbard-Watts gave me these orders, and said that he bought or received them of Angus—I gave them to my employer—I knew Watts as a sorter at the General Post-office—I have not had money dealings with him—I first saw Constable Fry in August; he showed me these two orders-a boy named Nash was my assistant in the van, and Watts has ridden with me 20 or 30 time—she gave me these orders on a Friday night, about June 24th in the New North Road.

Cross-examined. My name is George Bressenden Kedgley—I have never gone by any other name since I have been in Mr. Hubbard's employ, but I enlisted in the Army in the name of Wallbank—I have been in prison for being concerned with another man, in stealing some money—I was tried at the Middlesex Sessions about four and a-half years ago, and gotten months' hard labour in the name of George Wallbank—the other man had 18 months—I was led away by him—that is the only time I have been in prison—I never went by any other name—I did not desert from the army; I was dismissed through being convicted.

Re-examined. I received postal orders from Watts on several occasions, and took them to post-offices and cashed them, and gave Watts the money.

JOHN GRANT ANGUS (The Prisoner). I have pleaded guilty to receiving this letter—I gave it to Watts, and he gave me some money for it.

Cross-examined. I stole it—I have no recollection how many others I have stolen, there were so many, but this was the first—I stole some dozens, and I believe they contained valuable securities—I have been in the post office eight years—I do not know whether I saw Watts, senior—he tempted me knowing I was in difficulties, because I had to borrow money from him—he said that if I would steal the letters he would give me some money—I resisted that several times, but he tempted me—he knew I had borrowed money from a loan office, and he said that I was a fool to do it; he could tell me how to do it easier than that, and he opened letters and showed the contents to me, postal orders, and said that I could get rid of my difficulties, and pay off the loan office—I knew that was wrong—I have been reprimanded by the Post-office for being late, and also for throwing some wet bread at one of the officers—I have not been reprimanded over and over again for gross breaches of duty.

Re-examined. I have not been an habitual thief—Watts said to me with regard to opening Webster's letters, "You will be three removes off," meaning that they would have to trace the letters through three individuals, from the one who cashed the orders, to me.

GEORGE HENRY FRY . I am a constable attached to the Post-office—I showed these two postal orders to the prisoner Kedgley in August—he said that he had received them from a man at the Three Brewers, New North Road—I did not arrest him then, but there were further complaints from Messrs. Webster—Kedgley was arrested on 19th September, and I arrested Watts on 20th September at 6 a.m., at Killen, in Perthshire—I had followed him there—I read the warrant to him—he said "I did not steal the orders"—I searched Angus, who was with him, and found five postal orders payable to Messrs. Webster, and two others for Wrench, of Hamburg.

Cross-examined. I said to Angus "You see what I have found here"—he made no reply—he never suggested that Watts had given them to him—there was also a note case.

PHILIP BICK . I am a policeman attached to the General Post-Office—I went with Fry to Killen in Perthshire, and arrested Watts—I said "I believe you are Alfred Wren Watts?" he said "No, my name is McPherson"—I said "I am a police-officer from the General Post-Office in London, I arrest you on a warrant for stealing oh 24th June last a letter containing two postal orders for 20s. each," and explained that they were the orders which had been mentioned in connection with the charge against Kedgley—after a pause he said "I will tell you all about it"—later on I said "You were going to tell me something just now"—he said "All I can say is I did not steal the postal orders; I know my running away makes it look bad against me, I was a fool to do that as I had no occasion to do so"—I took him to where Fry had Angus in custody, and the warrant was read to him—he replied "I did not steal the postal orders."

EDWIN NASH . I work for Mr. Hubbard—it has been my duty for eighteen months to go about with Kedgley delivering goods—I saw

Watts in the van about three times a week; he sometimes waited outside the shop and sometimes he got up in Old Street—he talked to Kedgley, but I did not hear what they said—they used to get out of the van and go to public-houses and coffee-shops—I once saw something like paper pass between them.

CHARLOTTE KEDGLEY . I am a widow, Kedgley is my son—I sometimes visited him at his lodgings in the week and on Sunday evenings—Watts has come in and they have gone out together—on the night he was arrested, September 19, I saw Watts in Shepherdess Walk and said to him "George, two detectives have taken our George away, do you know what it is for?"—he said "No"—he came to my daughter-in-law and said" I am going to the office in the morning, and I shall see you."

EMILY HARLAND . I live at 24, Napier Street; Kedgley and his wife lodged with me about two years—I know Watts by answering the door to him two or three times a week, but sometimes not so often—they used to go out together—Watts called between 8 and 9 p.m. on the day Wat's was arrested—I answered the door, he asked for Mr. Kedgley—he called again later on.

THOMAS WILLIAM HOLMES . I am a sorter in the inland branch of the General Post-office and know Watts by sight—in September I was working between London and Peterborough and beyond—on 20th September I was travelling by the 5.15 train and saw Watts at King's Cross and at Peterborough—I asked where he was going—he said "To Stirling."

WATTS received a good character. GUILTY .— Eighteen Month's Hard Labour.

ANGUS received a good character, and Mr. Wheatley stated that arrangements had been made to send him to Canada.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour. KEDGLEY— Fifteen Months' Hard Labour.

THIRD COURT.—Wednesday, October 26th, 1887.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1023
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1023. FANNY NEAL (23) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. WILKINSON Prosecuted; MR. LAWLESS Defended.

HARRY COLLARD SPAIN . I am a draper at 23, Upper Street, Islington—on 3rd September, about 8 p.m., the prisoner came in for three yards of linen, which came to 11 1/4 d. altogether—she gave me a half-crown, which I put in my weighing tester, which would not pass it; there was no weight in the coin—I then broke it in halves in a crack in my counter—I gave the two pieces back to the prisoner and told her it was bad—she put it in her purse—she said "I wonder whether they would like it where I took it from"—I looked in the purse and saw a lot of good silver there—she paid with good money—on 22nd September I went to Mr. Haslop's shop in consequence of a communication made to me—I Found the prisoner there—Haslop asked me if I knew her—I said "Yes"—I said to the prisoner "I think you passed a coin to me on Saturday Week"—she said "I don't think so"—I said "I know so, because I broke it in two"—she said nothing further.

Cress-examined. I had no doubt about her—I have no doubt whatever now—it was at 8 o'clock on a Saturday night when she came in; I had two other customers in then—I have not seen her in my shop since to my

knowledge—I will not swear that she did not come in on the 20th a week ago—I should think I should have known her if I had seen her—when she came in on the 3rd she had on a large black hat, an ulster, and fair hair hanging down her back—she might have been in my shop on the 20th; I did not recognise her—I know the hour, because it was just before I went to supper, which I have at 8 o'clock—I know it was the 3rd, because it was the Saturday after I came back from my holiday—Islington is a very busy place; I don't know that I did much business that night—sometimes I do on Saturday night—I was not examined at the police-court.

CHARLOTTE WEAR . I am the wife of Joseph Wear, a baker, of New North Road—on the evening of 21st September, between half-past 6 and a quarter to 7, the prisoner, I believe, came in for two halfpenny rolls and asked for them to be put in a bag—I said we did not find bags—she said "If you will put them in a piece of paper I will have more"—I put them in a piece of paper; she turned to go without paying—I said "I have not taken the money for them"—she said "I forgot"—she gave me a half-crown and said "This is the smallest I have"—I did not see where she took it from; it was in her hand, I believe—I took it up and sounded it on the counter and found it was a bad one—I said "I cannot take this, it is not a good one"—she said "My husband has just given it to me; he has just taken it for some work; he is only just across the road; he went to have some refreshment. I will go and ask him for some more; it is all I have"—I gave her back the coin—I had bent it a little in the tester—she said "Don't break it; he has just taken it for some work"—she left the turnovers—she did not come back.

Cross-examined. I picked the prisoner out yesterday; that was the first time I saw her since 21st September—I have not the slightest doubt she is the same woman; I recognised her the moment I saw her in the hall of the Court—I don't think she has been in my shop since; I have not recognised her there—very probably she might have been in last week without my recognising her—I don't notice unless there is something specially to call my attention—I think I can swear positively to her—we called the inspector in as he was passing to tell him about the halfcrown—it has not assisted my recollection that I have heard she uttered other half-crowns—I swear positively she is the woman—I did not see her fairly in the face yesterday; I do now—I have made up my mind more positively since I got into the witness-box.

MARGARET ANDERSON . I am assistant to Mr. Sergeant, draper, Upper Street, Islington—at a quarter to 5 on 22nd September the prisoner came in for a yard of brown ribbon at 4 3/4 d.—I served her, and she gave me a half-crown which I took to the desk and gave to the cashier, Miss Leach, who put it in the weighing tester; it would not pass through—the cashier brought it and showed it to the prisoner—I said "It is a bad one"—she said she knew where she had received it, and she would take it back to where she had got it from—the cashier gave it back to her—she paid with a good two-shilling piece, which she took from the purse she took the half-crown from—we went upstairs and told Mr. Sergeant—we were afterwards called to Mr. Haslop—I went with Leach and Sergeant—I there saw the prisoner—I have not the slightest doubt about her being the same person.

Cross-examined. I am always in the shop on Saturdays, except when

I go to dinner at half-past 1 or 2 o'clock, and at tea at half-past 4 or 5 o'clock—I sometimes go upstairs to rest in the afternoon—I did not notice it was bad till I put it in the tester.

JULIA LEACH. I am assistant in Mr. Sergeant's shop—on the afternoon of 22nd September the last witness handed me a half-crown which I tested in the tester and found to be bad; it would not go through—I took tester and all to the prisoner and said "This is a bad half-crown; do you know where you got it from?"—she said "I do, and will take it back again"—I gave it to her—I afterwards went to Mr. Haslop's shop; I saw the prisoner there—I have no doubt she is the same person—she did not seem at all surprised when I said it was bad.

Cross-examined. I did not know it was bad till I tried it in the tester—we try all silver.

Re-examined. It was about a quarter of an hour after I saw the prisoner at our shop that I went to Mr. Haslop's—I never remember seeing her before.

CHARLES SERGEANT. I am a draper, of 18, Upper Street, Islington—on the afternoon of 22nd September Miss Leach made a communication to me, and I went to Mr. Haslop's shop and spoke to him—while there the prisoner came in—after she was served Haslop spoke to me, and showed me a coin—I then said "You have just been in my shop down the road and there tried to tender a bad half-crown"—I don't think she said anything—I went back to my shop and returned with Miss Leach and Miss Anderson—they recognised the prisoner—I had seen her before on the first or second Saturday in August in my shop making a purchase of a yard of net; she then paid with a bad half-crown—I notched it round with my scissors, and gave it back to her, and told her it was bad—she made some remark about knowing where she got it from, or something of that sort—she paid for the net with with good money.

Cross-examined. It was in the afternoon that I saw her in my shop in August—all my assistants were in the shop then—I remembered having seen her there when my assistants told me what she was like—I said nothing about that when I saw her at Haslop's shop, nor when she came in in September with a bad half-crown—I mentioned it at the police-court; I cannot say when—she paid me with good money afterwards on both occasions—I think twenty-four shillings was found in her purse when she was arrested—all shillings and larger coins are tested in this tester—I don't remember if she denied having been previously at my shop.

NELLY HASLOP . I assist my father in his shop at 38, Upper Street, Islington, as cashier—on 22nd September my sister served the prisoner, who laid on the counter a half-crown—I took it up, went to the desk, put it in the tester, and found it would not go through—the tester is like this—I gave the coin to my father.

JOHN ANDREW HASLOP . I am a jeweller, of 38 and 39, Upper Street, Islington—on 22nd September, between 4 and 5 o'clock, the prisoner bought a brooch at 5 3/4 d.—she paid with a half-crown, which the last witness handed to me—I put it in the tester, and found it was bad—Mr. Sergeant was in my shop and saw it, and ran off for his assistants—presently the prisoner wanted her change, and I said "You have give me a bad half-crown"—she did not seem at all surprised, but waited there—I think she said her character was good, and she could defend

it when the time came—she did not say it was good or bad; she seemed very patient—the prisoner said nothing when the coin was given to Mr. Sergeant, but waited—Mr. Sergeant had the half-crown—when Mr. Sergeant came back I said to her "Have you got any more; I will try them in the tester for you?"—she seemed indignant, and said "No, I have not got any more"—she showed me her purse; there was about twenty-two shillings in it; this is the coin—Sergeant, Anderson, Leach, and Spain, all came and identified her—Spain said "You offered me a bad half-crown," but she denied it.

JAMES STILL (Policeman N 232). On 22nd September I was called to Haslop's shop, where I saw the prisoner—Haslop told me she had tendered a counterfeit half-crown in payment for a brooch at 5 3/4 d.—she said "Give me back the half-crown; I will give you other money for it"—I asked her if she had any other bad money about her—she said not that she knew of—she had her purse in her hand—I took her to the station—she handed the purse to me—I opened it and examined it—I found in it four sixpences, eight shillings, two florins, ten shillings in gold, and two postage-stamps, all good money—Haslop handed me this half-crown—when asked her address at the station, the prisoner said "I refuse my address, for my sister is pregnant."

Cross-examined. I know her address; I have no reason to disbelieve that statement.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . This coin is bad.

GUILTY . † —Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1024
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1024. MARGARET JONES. (54) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. BODKIN Prosecuted; MR. PURCELL. Defended.

HENRY NASH . I am a butcher's assistant, at Water Lane, in the City—on 28th September, about 10 minutes to eleven, the prisoner came in for sixpennyworth of meat, and gave me a half-crown—I said "This is a bad half-crown"—she said "I did not know it"—I said "And I charge you with being here on Monday (that would be 26th September) and passing a bad two-shilling-piece"—she said she was not—I detained her, and sent for a constable, and gave her into custody with the halfcrown—on Monday, the 26th, I sold her fourpennyworth of meat—I saw her give the cashier a florin—she took away the meat—the cashier afterwards showed me a florin, and I took it down to the station.

Cross-examined. I fancy I had seen the woman before the Monday—we have very little ready-money trade on Monday; we might have 10 customers—when she came in six coppers were lying on the slab, and she said "There is coppers there"—I said "I know that"—immediately she came in on the 28th I knew she had been in on the Monday, and I said "Look out"—I did not run out after her when the cashier showed me the bad florin; it was about 10 minutes after she had gone—no customers had been in during that time—I did not give information to the police on that day.

Re-examined. I said "Look out" to the cashier.

JOSEPH PRICE . I am cashier to Mr. Thomas Price, of 1, Water Lane—on 26th September the prisoner came in—Nash served her with some meat, and said "Take fourpence from this lady"—I came to take it from her—she gave me this bad florin—I

took the fourpence, and gave her one shilling and sixpence silver and twopence, which I took from the slab—she said to Nash "There is some money there"—Nash said "Yes, I am looking after that"—after she had gone I showed the coin to Nash—on 28th September the prisoner came in about 11 o'clock—I recognised her as she came in—I took the half crown from Nash in payment for meat, and I gave it to the constable in charge of the case.

Cross-examined. I had not seen the woman come into the shop on a Monday before that I know of—I put the two shillings in the desk where there were two tills, one for money and the other for gas-burners and different things—I put all copper, gold, and silver in one till—money is cleared out of the till about 2 o'clock in the day—we open at 7 o'clock on Monday morning—I did not put the florin in the till, but just inside the desk—I let money be there for a time, and then slide it down a groove into the till by degrees—we have hardly any ready-money customers on Monday morning—that morning there was four or live shillings in silver—other people sell things besides me and might come and give me money.

Re-examined. This is the money I took on the Monday.

ELIZABETH FEAR . I am searcher at Bridewell; I searched the prisoner on 28th September; I found on her 3d. and a door key.

GEORGE FULCHER (City Policeman 491). I was called to 1, Water Lane on the 28th, and the prisoner was given into my custody, and this bad halfcrown was given me—when I took the prisoner into custody she said she could prove what took place on the Monday; she was away at the Lambeth Baths washing—Nash said "You are the same person that passed the 2s. on Monday," giving me the florin at the time he said it—she said she could prove she was away at the Lambeth Baths washing.

Cross-examined. Leather Lane is a good ten minutes' walk from Water Lane.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . The half-crown and florin are both counterfeit.


She then PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction of uttering counterfeit coin in November, 1878, in the name of Margaret Donovan.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1025
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1025. DANIEL McMONAGLE (21) PLEADED GUILTY to feloniously forging and uttering an authority for the payment of money by the London and North-Western Railway Company, with intent to defraud.— Six Months' Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.—Thursday, October 27th, 1887.

Before Mr. Justice Grantham.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1026
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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1026. JOSEPH CARLIN (22) , Feloniously wounding Esther Bird, with intent to murder. Second Count, to do her grievous bodily harm.

MR. WABBURTON Prosecuted; MR. TAYLOR Defended.

WILLIAM JUDD (Police Inspector 8). I was at Portland Town Policestation on the afternoon of 6th September, when the prisoner was brought in by Sergeant Laid law and charged with attempting to kill Esther Bird by cutting her throat—he said "I should like to see the evidence

I have not been that road to-day"—the next day I took him to St. Mary's Hospital, where he was confronted with the prosecutrix, and I said to her in his hearing, "Do you know this man?" she said she had known him three or four months, but did not know his name and in my presence she identified him as the person who had committed this outrage.

Cross-examined. That was in answer to a question to her, "Are you sure this is the man who cut your throat?" and she said "Yes"—the prisoner said "You had better be sure."

ESTHER BIRD . I am a single woman, and live at 20, Acacia Road, St. John's Wood—I have known the prisoner since May last; hare seen him about St. John's Wood, but I have only spoken to him on one evening when I was out; he said "Good evening," and asked me if I lived in St. John's Wood, and what number I lived at, and I told him; he then said he used to know a girl who lived at 20, Acacia Road—on 6th September, about 3 in the afternoon, the prisoner rang the area bell, and told me my mistress's sister was in High street in her carriage ordering some things at the greengrocer's, and wanted to see me, and I was to bring a bag, as they had not one at the shop—I gave the prisoner the bag, and he said I was to take one—I told him I had not another one large enough—he then said I had better put on my hat and jacket and go quickly—I put my hat and jacket on—he then said "You had better bring the bag yourself"—I pointed to a small one hanging on the wall, and told him that was the only one I had, and that would be no use if a lot of things were being ordered—he looked round and said, "Are you sure you have not got one inside?"—I said "No, that is the only one I have," and was pointing to the bag on the wall when he put his left arm round me and with his right hand he cut my throat—when I felt the blood on my hands I took hold of his oat sleeve and pulled it down and the razor then fell from his hand—I then fell on the floor over the razor, and he knelt down on one knee and still had his left arm round me, and put his right hand over my mouth to stop my screaming—I twisted myself away from him and kept screaming, and he then got up off his knee and locked the area door from the inside, took the key out and ran upstairs to the area door, and I saw no more of him—I then got up and picked the razor up and got on the kitchen table, opened the window and threw the razor out—I called for assistance, and some one burst the door open and took me to the hospital—the prisoner was smiling all the time—he had thin whiskers on the side of his face, but I am not sure whether he had any on his chin.

By the Court. He was talking to me about ten minutes before he cut my throat; during all that time I knew he was the same man I had seen three months previously; if he had gone away without cutting my throat I should have known he was the same man I had seen before.

Cross-examined. It was about half-past eight in the evening when I met the prisoner first; I saw him again six weeks after that in the Acacia Road with his wife, but I did not know at the time it was his wife—I was outside the gate of 20, Acacia Road then; I did not speak to him; there was no particular reason for looking at him then—I have also seen him in the neighbourhood of St. John's Wood when I have been out, some times he would be in company with other men and sometimes alone—he would take no notice of me then—I was quite alone in the house on

6th September—Mrs. Ahreus is the name of my mistress, there is a Mr. Ahrens—my sister is a servant there also—my mistress was in town at this time—I thought it a peculiar thing for the prisoner to come to me about this, and I told him Mrs. Davies had been to me on the Monday night to see if it was all right, and I said it was strange for her to send him to me when she had seen me on the Monday night—the prisoner married the former servant at 20, Acacia Road; his wife had been in Mrs. Ahrens' service for about three years—I noticed when he came to the area door that his hands were on each side of him, and he did not say "Good day," or anything of that—it was a fish basket I gave him, and I noticed he kept his right hand inside it, but I did not think of anything then—it is quite light at the area door; it does not open under the hall steps, you go through the side gates to it—he had a black felt hat on, but I did not notice that it was dented in at the top, had it been I should have noticed it—I screamed at the window until the men burst open the door and got me out—Mr. Ahrens comes home at night, I think he shaves, but I never had anything to do with his razors; I have not seen them—I am not housemaid, I am cook—I have been in Mr. Ahrens' room—I have not a good many male friends—I can suggest no motive for the prisoner's act—he strongly denied it when confronted with me—nothing was missed at all from the house—I don't know how many times I have seen the prisoner altogether—I know no one else like the prisoner, and I have spoken to no one else like him—I am twenty-four years of age—I have never suffered from hysteria in any form; I may have fainted once or twice—at the time of this occurrence I did not know the prisoner was a married man.

RICHARD WORKMAN . I live at 20, St. John's Street, St. John's Wood—I was standing at the Ordnance Arms on the afternoon of 6th September, and saw a crowd running and ran myself and saw the prosecutrix throw this razor out, which I picked up and gave to the policeman.

FELIX JERRY (Policeman S 357). About 3.15 on this afternoon I was in the adjoining road, and heard shouts of "Police," and went to Acacia Road and saw a crowd, and took the razor from the last witness—it is a military razor; I can tell that by the number, and the prisoner is a deserter from the Royal Horse Artillery.

CHARLOTTE SIMS . I live at 14, Henbridge Place, St. John's Wood, and am the wife of a policeman—on 6th September I saw the prisoner walking up and down Henbridge Place, and I saw him again in the afternoon about 3.30 jump over the wall from 20, Acacia Road, into 9, Henbridge Place—his hat was then dented in at the top, and there was blood on his hand—he took his handkerchief out of his packet and wiped his hands, and then walked towards St. John's Wood—I had known him previously—he always had whiskers before, but when I picked him out at the station he had had them shaved off.

Cross-examined. I first gave my evidence on the 20th September on the remand—Henbridge Place is at the back of Acacia Road, and my window faces the back of No. 20—I was cleaning my window at the time—I could not say exactly when I saw the prisoner there before, but I had seen him several times in August looking over the wall into the Acacia Road gardens—he would have his back turned to me then, but I saw him coming up the street—my husband did not tell me about this affair; I heard of it myself on 6th September—between the 6th and 20th September

I have frequently spoken with my husband about this case—when the prisoner came over the wall his hat was dented in—it had some white on it—he had a little side whiskers—I was not a great distance from him—the street is very narrow—my husband was at home at the time—the prisoner jumped over the wall, and I came down stairs quickly and spoke to my husband about it, but he did not quite understand it—the blood was on his right hand—I have never had any conversation with him—when I saw him at the station he presented the same appearance to me as when I saw him come over the wall.

EDWARD WILLIAMS . I am a hairdresser, of 65, Hay Street, St. John's Wood—on 6th September, about a quarter past 11 or 12, the prisoner came and was shared just round the chin—he had a little imperial on the under lip, and side whiskers—about a quarter to 5 the same afternoon he came in again to have his whiskers taken off—he said "I want you to take my whiskers off"—he paid "The men have been chaffing me, and saying it made me look mad," and he looked in the glass and said "Do you think it makes me look younger?"—I said "I don't; it does not alter your appearance a great deal."

Cross-examined. His whiskers were a little more than now—I shaved all off except the moustache—when he left my shop at 11 o'clock there was not much difference in his appearance; there would be a little—the whiskers were much longer than now—I had been in the habit of shaving him about three times a week for six weeks.

JAMES JACKSON CLARK . I am house surgeon at St. Mury's Hospital—on 6th September, at 4 p.m., I was called to see Esther Bird there—I found an extensive wound in her throat, about three inches long—the instrument had passed obliquely into the tissues—the bleeding had stopped, but as soon as the lips of the wound were opened for examination, three fairly sized arteries began to spout and required tying; the razor had been stopped, and made a notch in the bone, which had arrested the progress of the incision—that may have saved her life—it was such a wound as might be dangerous to life—a razor would cause such a wound—I saw the prisoner's coat—there were two blood stains on the left sleeve—next day I saw two small bruises on the prosecutrix's forehead such as might be caused by fingers holding the head.

Cross-examined. The wound must have been given with force—it might have been self-inflicted, but from the direction it had taken it was much more likely to be inflicted by another person.

LEWIS LAIDLAW (Police Sergeant S). About half-past 3 in the afternoon of 6th September I went to 20, Acacia Road, and made inquiries, and about 5 I saw the prisoner in Townsend Road—he came up to me; another constable was with me—I told him to stay behind—I got in front of the prisoner—he ran in the direction of the constable who caught him—he got away twice, but was caught again, and he struggled to get away—on the ground I said to him "I shall arrest you on suspicion of having attempted to murder a young girl at Acacia Road"—he replied "If that is all you want me for I don't mind that; you will have to prove it"—I then took him to the station, and he was searched—this (produced)is the coat I took off him—in the pocket I found this key (produced)—I have been with it and tried the area door of 20, Acacia Road, and it will unlock it.

Cross-examined. I got in front of the prisoner a few yards, and then

turned round and faced him—he is a deserter from the Royal Horse Artillery—when I looked at him he saw me and turned round and ran in the direction of constable Painter—I have not examined the doors of the other houses in Acacia Road—I found these other three keys (produced) in his trousers pocket, and this key was in his coat pocket separately—when I told him what he was charged with, he said, apparently with surprise, "If that is what you want me for, you will have to prove it," and he then went quietly to the station—I did not know him by sight before—I have been some time in the police in London—the prisoner's face is one I should know if I saw it 20 years hence, but I cannot explain why—there was no blood on the key.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I am innocent of the charge."

GUILTY .— Ten Years' Penal Servitude.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1027
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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1027. RINARD SCHUCKERT (31) , Feloniously threatening to accuse Winsley Mortimer Harris of an infamous crime, with intent to extort money.

MR. POLAND and MR. GOODRICH Prosecuted.

GUILTY .— Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1028
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1028. CARL FAUST (29) for a rape on Elizabeth Ann Furnell.

MR. POLAND and MR. MEAD Prosecuted; MR. MUIR Defended.


NEW COURT.—Thursday, October 27th, 1887.

Before Mr. Recorder,

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1029
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1029. GEORGE ARTHUR PLAYER (27) PLEADED GUILTY to feloniously marrying Maria Baker, his wife being alive.— Three Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1030
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1030. ELIZABETH KULMEL (30) to feloniously marrying William John Knight, her husband being alive.— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] Three Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1031
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1031. CHARLES MANNING (33) to burglary in the—dwelling house of William Arbuthnot, with intent to steal— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] Nine Month' Hard Labour. And

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1032
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1032. FRED CAMP (31) to forging and uttering a receipt for 1l. 14s., with intent to defraud.— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] Four Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1033
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1033. THOMAS CONSTABLE (26) and JOHN NEWELL (38) , Unlawfully committing damage by night exceeding 5l. to a steam crane, the property of Henry Covington.

MR. BESLEY Prosecuted.

WILLIAM DENNER . I am a labourer, of Prospect Place, Mortlake—about three weeks before this happened I heard Newell say to some tramps he picked up, a man and a woman, "Those goods over there don't belong to me, I will pull that b—crane down and throw it into the water"—on Sunday, September 4, about 6.45, I saw him at Grove Park Embankment, Chiswick—he said "Jack, how did you get here?"—I said "I have a boat"—he said "Come along with me and get a lot of mushrooms"—he got a lot, but I did not get any—that was about 150 yards from the steam crane; that was the first time I saw him that morning.

Cross-examined by Newell. I remained on the bank with you about 25 minutes; I did not see Constable.

JAMES PRIEST . I live at 9, Prospect Place, Mortlake—on Sunday morning, 4th September, about five o'clock, I was outside the Ship Hotel, which is on the bank of the river—the steam crane is across the river, but not opposite—I could see it, and could see the barge at the landing stage; the crane is on the landing stage—I saw Newell on the barge bending his back, and he undid a rope and dropped it into the water, and then we lit behind the crane to Constable, whose legs I could see behind the crane; they then both came out in the open, and were on the common ten minutes or a quarter of an hour—I did not see what became of them—I spoke to Denner later in the day.

Cross-examined by Constable. It wanted two or three minutes to five when I first saw you—I was about 150 yards from the crane—I could not tell at that distance if a man was inside it, but I could see that he was behind it pulling it about—I could not see you pulling the levers about—the barges swung down, but held by one rope, and they dropped up.

Cross-examined by Newell. I saw you on the barge; I could not see the name of it—the tide was just on the turn running down; it was not high water at four o'clock—the barges only swung round four abreast—they were not on the ground, they were afloat when I saw you on them—you went into the other two and got hold of a rope and jumped ashore.

GEORGE HAGAN . I am an engine driver employed by Mr. Covington on this landing stage; it is strictly private ground—on Saturday, 2nd September, I left the crane in perfect condition at 4.30—it is on the Embankment, close to some barges which were there when I left—at 10.30 on Sunday morning I examined the crane; the reversing lever and the steam lever were broken, the break was unscrewed, the chain partly off the barrel, and the gib catch lever bent, and if it had been broken the crane would have come down into the water—the damage done amounted to 8l. or 9l.—the prisoners had no right there—I measured the distance from the crane straight across the river; it is under 130 yards.

Cross-examined by Constable. A person on the other side of the water could discern any one at the crane—there is an open side to it—it stands about three feet from the ground, and it was quite possible for you to stand on the ground and pull it about—you must have got inside it to do the damage—it is made of wrought iron—it could be done by a man's hand without any leverage.

WILLIAM HARRIS . I am a lighterman employed by Mr. Covington—on Saturday afternoon. September 3rd, I moored two of his barges, Wasp and Arthur, near the landing stage—we got a chain to the bank to the first barge and a rope to the second barge and another rope and chain astern; they laid alongside one another with two other barges astern; they could cot get loose—I looked at the chains and ropes on the Monday and they were perfect—the barges had then been fetched back.

Cross-examined by Constable. I got them on Monday about 3 p.m.—it was high water at. 4.30, and not at 2.3—the barges might go down if cut adrift or they might catch the ground and stay there.

THOMAS FELL . I am a waterman at the Ibis boat house, Chiswick, about 200 yards from this landing stage—on Sunday, September 4th,

about 10 a.m., I saw some barges aground which had been adrift; one rope was held on to the other two barges—I took one of the barges and moored it at Grove Park arid informed Mr. Covington—the barges were the Wasp and the Arthur—I afterwards saw the Arthur at Kew Bridge sunk; she was adrift while I was giving information—I did not see her sink, I was mooring the Wasp.

Cross-examined by Constable. I saw all four barges together about tot o'clock—when they were let go the tide would take them down—they could not go away and come back unless the tide turned—I found the barge at Kew Bridge at three o'clock, about two hours before high water—I do not know you.

HENRY COVINGTON . I am the owner of the barges Arthur and Wasp—two other barges were at this landing stage, which is private property and is on the Duke of Devonshire's estate—I was there to carry out a contract—Newell worked for me last winter—neither of the prisoners had any business on the landing stage that Sunday; they are not in my service—I received information, and found one barge under water at Kew Bridge—. I floated her on the following tide, and she was taken back to the tier on Monday morning—the damage to the barge was about 35l. and 7l. or 8l. to the steam crane.

Cross-examined by Newell. I have had lots of barges out adrift before.

JOHN NOILES . (Policeman V 151). On 17th September, about 8 a.m., I. took Newell in the Old George public house, High Street, Mortlake—I. said "You will be charged with wilful and malicious damage by cutting. two barges adrift, and being concerned with Constable in damaging the property of Mr. Covington of Battersea"—he said "Yes, you b—, but. you can't prove it"—I took Constable on Sunday the 18th at 9 a.m., and read the warrant to him; he said "I will admit being there, but I am innocent of the damage."

Constable produced a written defence, stating that hi saw two men dressed like narvies gathering mushrooms about 30 yards from the crane, and when they left a man and a boy came up and asked what he was doing there and threatened to take him in custody, but that he was not war the barges, nor did he set any one else near them; and that when he heard there was a warrant out against him he went to the station and was arrested outside.

Newell's Defence. It is a hard thing for the witness to say he saw me at five o'clock when I was not there till 5.30, when Dunn came over in his boat for mushrooms. I could not jump off the barge without being wet.

GUILTY . **— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour each.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1034
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1034. CHARLES DREWELL (14) and WILLIAM STANTON (14) , Feloniously putting an iron bar on the North London Railway, with intent to injure the safety of persons travelling.

MR. MOON Prosecuted, and the prisoners were defended by Counsel.

WILLIAM VESEY . I am an engine-driver in the employ of the North London Railway Company—on 2nd October I was driving a train from Broad Street to Chalk Farm, and on approaching Maiden Lane, about 5.4 p.m., I saw a boy on the line, who appeared to be placing something on the rails; that was just before I got to the Great Northern bridge—I gave an alarm whistle, and he ran away—I quite expected that he would have been run over—on arriving at Maiden Lane I gave information to Inspector Edwards.

Cross-examined. I will not swear that the boy was not endeavouring to remove something—there were four boys on the line, and several more were looking over the wall—those on the line were standing by the line looking at their companions—I do not identify either of the prisoners.

JOSEPH HUBBLE . I am an engine-driver in the service of the North London Railway Company—on 2nd October I was driving a train from Chalk Farm to Broad Street—I left Chalk Farm at 4.59, and shortly after I left Maiden Lane Station I saw a rod across the inner side rail—I stopped the train, and as I did so the guard-iron caught the bar and turned it off the rail—there were some boys by the depot on the waste ground—this is the bar (About 8 feet long)—this part was on the parapet of the bridge in the position I have now got it (Standing)—the heaviest part being to the outside—there was not a single boy on the rails at that time; they were on the waste ground.

WILLIAM THOMAS EDWARDS . I am station inspector at Maiden Lane on 2nd October, in consequence of information, I proceeded up the line in the direction of Broad Street, following the up-train which Joseph Hubble was driving—I saw the train stop, and saw a number of boys looking over the wall at it—I did not know what it stopped for; it started again, and immediately afterwards six or seven boys got over on the line, and I saw the two prisoners take hold of a large rod of iron from No. 1 up line, and carry it across both rails, and put it across the rails of the No. 2 down line—they appeared to see me running towards them, and immediately got over the wall on to the waste ground, and other boys with them—I removed the bar and laid it on one side, and while I did so the whole group of boys stood about 30 yards from me, hooting and shouting at me—I then got over the wall to the waste ground, and pursued them—at the back of the waste ground there is a very high wall with a hole in it, through which they got one a time, and the prisoners were among them—my hand was within six inches of the leg of the last one who got through; that was a smaller boy than the prisoners—I could not get through the hole, and while I was getting over the wall they pelted me with stones—I continued to run after them—some of them branched off to a street on the left—I followed the prisoners because they were the biggest boys and the most conspicuous, and I had seen them doing this, but the six or seven were all around the bar while it was placed—I chased Stanton into his house, and lost sight of all the others—while I stood at Stanton's door, asking for his name and explaining to the people in the house what he had been doing, nearly 50 people gathered round the door, and Drewell pushed his way through them and came to where I stood, and used threatening and offensive language to me—I took hold of him and gave him in custody, and Stanton also—I asked the people at Stanton's house his name—they said Charles Brewer—I said "Is that your name, boy?"—he said "Yes."

Cross-examined. I cannot say how many boys were touching the bar—I was 50 feet from them—I lost sight of Drewell for three minutes, but I never lost sight of Stanton—I stooped to remove the bar—the boys were then on the waste ground; I could remove the bar and still have them in sight—I had to shut my eyes at the top of the wall because the stones were flying all around, but I was not very long getting over—I had to put my arms up—I took particular notice of the prisoners after I had. removed the rail—I took stock of them as they stood hooting and

shouting—Drewell was 15 yards ahead of Stanton when I got the wall; he went straight ahead—I did not identify them because they were the biggest boys on the line, but from their faces and appearance—I had an excellent view of them when they stood shouting at me—Drewell said "I will do you one of I have to wait 12 years"—I said nothing to him—he said "I did not put the bar there, but I know who did"—Stanton said that he would do something desperate to me—I say that Drewell had hold of the bar; I am positive of it—I intended to tell the Magistrate the same as I say now. (The witness's deposition stated" I cannot say whether he had hold of it or not.")

ALBERT JUDD (policeman Y 546). I took the prisoners on 2nd October, and told them the charge—Drewell said "It was not me; I was not near the place, but I know the four boys who done it; they told me had done it"—Stanton said "Don't collar me so tight; you have got the wrong one this time."

Witnesses for the Defence.

GEORGE EVERTON . I am 12 years old, and go to school—on Sunday afternoon, October 2nd, I was on the wall of the North London Railway with other boys who are outside—I saw a bar on the line, but I did not see who placed it there—when the train had passed I went on to the line by, myself and fetched the bar away—I saw the inspector coming, and I dropped it and ran away—the prisoners were not on the line; they were not with me at all—I saw them on the wall in Lyon Street a long way off when I was running away—they did not run away with me; they went to the other side, and went into a shop with some more boys, and bought some things—I saw the inspector at Stanton's house, and I saw Drewell go up to him, and heard him say that Stanton was not there; they had been playing together all the afternoon.

Cross-examined. I know the prisoners—they have left the Board School, and are at work—the schoolmaster asked me to go to the police-court and give evidence, but I did not go became my mother objected—I did not see any boys put the bar on the line, but I saw it there—it was still lying close against the line after the train had passed—I ran away across the waste ground when the inspector came—the prisoners did not run with me; they sat on the wall, and then went and Lought some tarts—they were not on the waste ground at all.

By the COURT. When the train had passed, the iron rail was not on the rails—it was perfectly safe, and I do not know what reason there was for me to go and take hold of it—I lifted it in this way (With one hand)

WILLIAM STODTT . I am 12 years old—on this Sunday afternoon I was on the wall with Everton, Fitts, Taylor, and Biggs—the prisoners were not with us, but I saw them against Lyon Street, running away—the inspector took Stanton for another boy named Williamson who was with me, and who he ought to have taken—I saw Fitts go over the railway and get an iron bar which was standing up against the wall, and throw it down across the rail—Everton then went to pull it off, but he bad not time, because the train was coming—I was on the wall when I first saw the inspector—he was coming down from the new station—I ran away with the others—I did not throw stones at him or hoot.

Cross-examined. I ran away across the waste ground—when Fitts put the bar on the line the train moved it off—I did not go the police court—Mr. Williams asked me to give evidence.

By the COURT. Everton went to pick the bar off the line, but could not do so because the train was too near; he was just going to get over, but he did not get on to the line.

ROBERT FITTS . I am 12 years old—on this Sunday afternoon I was on the railway with Everton and Stanton—some of them were on the wall—Taylor and Biggs were there—Williams, Stanton, and Drewell were not there, but I saw them in the afternoon in Lyon Street—I did not see the iron bar—I was playing on the line.

Cross-examined. I was not told that I might get into trouble about what I say here to-day—I came quite willingly, and my father does not object; he brought me.

By the COURT. If anybody has sworn Fitts went on to the railway and got a bar of iron and threw it across the rail, that is a lie—I did not put the bar on the line.

ALBERT EDWARD BIGGS . I am 12 years old, and am a schoolboy—on Sunday afternoon, 2nd October, I was on the railway with Stanton—Drewell was not there—I did not see any iron bar, or see a train go by either way—I was on the wall—I saw the railway inspector, and ran away—I did not like to stay there, I thought I would go home—no other boys ran away with me—I did not see Stanton till I got over the wall, and then I saw the two together, they were playing at marbles in Lyon Street—they ran when we ran—the inspector chased Stanton and caught him, and then Drewell said, "You have got the wrong boy."

Cross-examined. I did not see them go into a shop and buy tarts.

JOHN STANTON . I am the prisoner Stanton's brother, and am 17 years old—on Sunday, 2nd October, I was playing at marbles with Rogers and the two prisoners—a lot of boys jumped over the wall, and an inspector of the Hue ran after them, and my brother went into the road and asked him what was the matter, and he caught hold of my brother, and Drewell went up and said "What is the matter?" my brother said "I don't know what I am locked up for"—the boys told me that they ran away because the inspector was running after them—I have two brothers.

Cross-examined. I was not on the line—I did not run away when the inspector got over the wall.

JOHN ROGERS . On this Sunday afternoon I was with John and William Stanton and Drewell, and saw some boys jumping over the wall, and a man jumped over, and Stanton ran indoors, and his mother told him to come out if he had not done anything, and the inspector took him—I did not run away—they ran because they were frightened of the inspector, and I asked the boys and they said that Bob Fitts had put some iron on the rails.

Cross-examined. Some boys got over the wall, and some through the hole—I did not see the prisoner go to a shop and buy tarts.

ELIZABETH DREWELL . I am the prisoner Drewell's mother—on Sunday afternoon, 2nd October, he came in at 3.30—he was at work till 3.30, and he went over and took some pigeons to the shop—I next saw him about 5.30—he returned across the road holding up some sweets to my little boy—I was washing myself, and heard a crowd—I looked out and saw the inspector—my child was crossing the road, and a little girl stood on the steps calling him, he said "All right, ducky, I will come in to my tea"—he did not push his way through the crowd—he was standing opposite—I did not hoar him use abusive language to the inspector—the

inspector never put his "hand on him—I shut my window—I did not know that anything was the matter—I was not asked anything about Stanton; I live next door to him—I did not hear any one ask his name.

ARTHUR LOCKWOOD . I live at 137, Bemerton Street—on Sunday afternoon, 2nd October, I was at my parlour window, and heard a shouting—I went to the door and saw the inspector chasing Stanton into the next house—Drewell came up and said "That boy has not done anything, that is the wrong boy"—I said "Charley, have you anything to do with the affair?"—he said "No, Mr. Lockwood, I am all right"—I called him to me, but he would not come—a constable was coming down the street, and the inspector beckoned to him and gave them both in custody.

By the COURT. I did not hear the inspector ask what Stanton's name was—I heard no name given.


24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1035
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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1035. CHARLES DREWELL and WILLIAM STANTON were again indicted for unlawfully placing an iron rail on the North London Railway.

MR. MOON offered no evidence.


THIRD COURT.—Thursday, October 27th, 1887.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1036
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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1036. GEORGE KINDON (28) , Feloniously possessing a galvanic battery without lawful excuse.


EDWARD BORNER (Inspector B). On 12th September at 8.15 I went with two constables to 39, George Street, Pimlico—I knocked at the front kitchen door; the prisoner opened it—I said "You will be taken into custody on a charge of four cases of uttering counterfeit coin"—he made no reply—that room was the only one he occupied—there was a bed in it—he was undressed—I saw a box standing against the wall; I asked him fur the key—he gave me a bunch of keys—I could not unlock it—he unlocked it with the same key, and in it I found this battery not wrapped up; also this pocket book in which was a copper die, the obverse side of a florin—I put the battery on the table, and said "Halloa! what is this?"—he said, "Oh, it is a photographic apparatus; it was left here by a photographer"—on the table I found this solution of silver in a basin with a spoon inside the basin—there was a bag of plaster-of-Paris also in the box—one of the documents in the pocket-book shows it belongs to the prisoner—he was taken to the station and charged with uttering and having these implements in his possession—on the same evening at 8 o'clock I returned with Sergeant Kenna to 39, George Street—the house is let out in lodgings, there is nearly a family in each room—I made further search, and in a disused cupboard under the stairs I found two moulds—the door of the cupboard was about three feet from the door of Kindon's room which is on the ground floor—the stairs lead from the front door to his room—all the lodgers have access to the cupboard—it was unlocked, and the door open; there were no signs of its having been used lately—the two moulds in the cupboard were moulds of shillings lying wrapped in the Weekly Dispatch of September 11th, in the small recess at the bottom of the cupboard—I had to go on my hands and knees to look

there; it was facing the prisoner's door—other things were found by the other officers, not by me.

Cross-examined. The cupboard I found the moulds in was open to every person in the house—they all had the right of using it—it was unlocked, and the door open—the prisoner is blind with one eye—when I charged him with possessing counterfeit coin he had already been charged and discharged before the Magistrate, and it was not new to him—I made a thorough search, but found no counterfeit coin nor clippings nor filings of gold or silver, no punches, no mould Correlative to the bronze die—I found no moulds—the apparatus was more or less imperfect—I won't say the battery could not be used for other purposes than coining; it is simply a galvanic battery—the bed was a double bed, and there was a couch in the room; it could not be used as a turn-up bed—I have heard that the prisoner used to be a baker at Southall, then a beer-house keeper—a Magistrate must be satisfied of the general character of an applicant before granting a beer licence—he has been out of the beer-house about six months—he has only been in trouble once; that was in connection with this matter, and he was discharged—as far as I can ascertain he has borne a good character.

JOHN SCOTT (Detective Sergeant B). I went with Borner to 39, George Street on 12th September, and assisted in the search—I found two tin bands in this bag under the bedstead, iron clamps, some pieces of white metal, and two knives—no one was in the room but the prisoner.

Cross-examined. He was in the room when the things were found—I heard him tell the inspector they had been left there in his charge by a man—the bag was shut—his observations referred to the bag as well as to the battery—the bag was under the bed, unlocked.

JOSEPH KENNA (Police Sergeant B). I assisted Borner and Scott in searching the prisoner's room—I found two bottles of liquid on the mantelpiece, one labelled "Gold Solution—Poison," the other was not labelled; also two ladles containing metal, one with a handle, the other without; newspaper wrappers for wrapping up counterfeit coin on a shelf over the box; two spoons on a table in the centre of the floor, one an iron spoon, one having the appearance of being burnt in the fire; two pairs of scissors on the table, and some fused metal—on the table and on the window-ledge I found these things close to the box that contained the battery—I found the ladle in the coal cellar under the pavement exactly in front of the prisoner's room in the basement—you have to pass through the prisoner's room to get to the cellar—I also found two caps, putty, and two flat stones in the room—on the window ledge were pincers, and on the window ledge and table some files—close to the spoons was a pair of curling tongs—I saw no other person there, and no appearance of the room having been occupied by more than one person; it is a double-bedded room where there is room for two.

Cross-examined. I saw a bed large enough to hold two—I found two caps and a pair of curling tongs.

FLORENCE BYGRAVE . I live at 40, George Street, Pimlico Road—No. 39 belongs to my mother, and I assist her in letting it out to lodgers—the prisoner took the front kitchen at 3s. a week about the middle of June I think—he said he only wanted the room to put a few goods in; he had a little furniture—he came about a week after to occupy it, and paid the rent weekly—he said nothing about any other person occupying the room

with him—another person did so from about a week after he came in July till about three or four weeks before he was taken.

Cross-examined. The name of the other man was Lawrence—he sometimes slept there; I believe he was often there when the prisoner was away, I don't know of my own knowledge—I saw another man there once; I don't know his name—the prisoner has been away leaving another person in the room—the prisoner told me when he came that he had been a bread and biscuit baker at Southall, and he wanted this place to put his bits of furniture in—our impression was that Lawrence paid half the rent—since this bother occurred Lawrence has not been near our place—there were other lodgers in the house—the kitchen was underground—the other lodgers used their own rooms for cooking—no one lived in the basement except the prisoner—as a rule his door was always open so that any person could go in; we told him of it, and said if he had anything valuable there he had better not keep it open so much—the people of the house said that it was generally open; they did not pass by but they could look down easily from the staircase—you go down two small flights of stairs to his room.

Re-examined. The window of the prisoner's room looked into the street—I did not go into the room after the prisoner's apprehension—he was not much in the house—he always paid the rent—Lawrence went away about a month before the prisoner was taken—my mother did not whitewash the window.

EDWARD BORNER (Re-examined). The window in the prisoner's room looking into the street is whitewashed over, so that no one can see into the room from the street, and there is a thick curtain over it.

By MR. GEOGHEGAN. It is in accordance with my ideas of decency that people should have whitewash and curtains, so that people cannot be seen going to bed—the whitewash extended all over the window—if people went down on their knees and looked through the window they could see the bed—there was a thick curtain to cover the whole of the window.

CHARLES HALES . I assist Mrs. Mitchener, tobacconist and newsagent, of 1, Earl Street, Sloane Square—on 30th August, between 3 and 4 p.m., the prisoner came in for half an ounce tobacco, price 2d.—I served him—he gave me half-a-crown—it was rather light in colour, but it sounded all right—I gave him his change and he left—I put the half-crown in the till where there were three other half-crowns—next day I gave Mr. Willett two of those half-crowns and 7 1/2 d.—Mr. Willett afterwards came back and gave Mrs. Mitchener the two half-crowns I had given him, one of them was bad—on 12th September I saw the prisoner at Westminster Police-court—he called me aside in the Court near the fireplace by the door, and said "When you get up in the box say you cannot recognise the coin, and I will make it all right for you"—I had not spoken to him before that.

Cross-examined. Mrs. Mitchener sometimes serves—no one else does so but me—I live in the house—I went to the police-court but was not examined—I told the gentleman who examined the witnesses there what I have said to-day, he did not call me—the coin looked very bright, and I thought it might be bad before I tested it—I rang it and it sounded good—the shop was shut between 8.30 and 8.45—the other three half-crowns in the till were darker and more worn, that was the only way I knew the difference—I did not bend it—this is the coin I gave Mr. Willett—I can

see at once now it is a bad coin—I only think this is the coin the prisoner gave me.

WILLIAM ALFRED WILLETT . I am a pork butcher at 64, Pimlico Road, Chelsea—Hales paid me some money, I don't remember the date, and among it two half-crowns—I had no other half-crowns—I afterwards found one of them was bad—I rubbed it with my thumb and fancied the lead came off—I returned it to Hales—Mrs. Mitchener was present.

LAVINIA MITCHENER . I am the wife of James Edward Mitchener, of 1, Earl Street, Sloane Square—we keep a newspaper shop—on 31st August I saw Willett in the shop with Hales, who handed me a half-crown—I kept that and afterwards handed it to Detective Scott, after putting a mark on it—this is it.

JOHN SCOTT (Re-examined). This is the coin I received from the last witness, I produce it to-day.

MARY SKINNER . I am barmaid at the Stamford Arms, 461, Fulham Road—on 30th August the prisoner came in for a half of mild and bitter, and gave me this half-crown—I gave him change—he drank his beer—I did not see him leave—I afterwards showed the half-crown to the landlord, and then I followed the prisoner—he ran into the railway station—I saw him on the platform—I asked him if he knew what he had given me, he said "Half-a-crown;" I said, "It is a bad one"—I showed him the coin—he said he could not help it; he had taken it at a public-house where he had been drinking all day—Mr. Hazel then came up and he was given in custody with the half-crown—he was brought up at the police-court, remanded, and then discharged—that was the only charge against him then.

Cross-examined. He was on the platform as if going by train—I saw no one speaking to him.

GEORGE SMITH (Policeman TR 15). The prisoner was given into my custody on 30th August at Chelsea Station, on the charge of uttering a counterfeit half-crown—Miss Skinner gave me this half-crown—when the charge was made he said, "I shan't be the loser of it; I did not make it; I shan't be the loser of it; I took it in exchange when I purchased a pair of boots in the Brompton Road"—he said he had had no permanent address for the last nine months; he lived anywhere—I searched him and found two florins, three shillings, and 1 1/2 d. bronze.

MARY STEVENS . I am barmaid at the Woodman public-house, D'Oyley Street, Sloane Square—on 18th August, about 10.30, the prisoner came in, with a friend, Mr. Lawrence; I knew them as neighbours, they had lived in Ellis Street, close to the house—I don't know where they were living on 18th August—the prisoner called for two two's of whisky, and paid with a half-crown—I picked it up and felt and saw it was counter. feit—I bent it in three or four places in the tester and doubled it right up—I returned it to him and said "This is a bad one"—he took it up—Lawrence said, "What a pity she has bent it"—the prisoner said he had taken it of a betting man—he paid me with a good sixpence—at first when I knew them they lived together at the Rising sun beer house in Ellis Street, and then in a kitchen under a shop in Ellis Street—I knew them as customers.

Cross-examined. I have seen them come out and go in together—they were well—known in the neighbourhood to be living there, and I have heard the prisoner say they were in the public-house—they have told me months ago, and I have heard them speak to others about it.

Re-examined. They had been in the habit of using my house much; we generally saw them once or twice a day till they moved away; that lasted about fifteen months.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . I have examined all the articles produced—these two coins are counterfeit and from the same mould—these are two double moulds for making shillings—they have not been used—this copper-plate is an electrotype of the obverse side of a mould for casting florins—there is no corresponding copper-plate for the reverse side—this plaster-of-Paris mould was made at my instance to show the idea—there is every sign of the copper electrotype having been used; there is a deposit of base metal on it; my opinion is that it has been embedded in plaster to give it solidity as a copper-plate would be hardly solid enough to be used alone—this electrotype is a deviation from the usual mode of smashing—it is the first case that has come under my eyes and I may say my father never heard of a case of an electrotype—the effect of using a metal mould would be to give a sharper impression and more the appearance of a struck coin—about 100 or 200 coins could be turned out of a metal mould like this, whereas with a plaster mould I have not seen more than 15 or 20 made, and that depends on the ability of the maker—here are a large Daniel's battery complete; 5 clamps for holding moulds while metal is being poured in; copper wire, silver sand (all being used in smashing), a bottle of gilding solution for the battery (that would be used for making sovereigns), files, ladles with metal (a mixture of pewter and bismuth) used for making coins; four gets, the pieces of metal cut off when the coin is taken out of the mould; plaster-of-Paris in powder, used for making the moulds; these strips of tin, probably used to fence round the plaster-of-Paris mould; paper cut in strips, in readiness probably to wrap the coins up in, it is about the width; all these articles can be used in in the manufacture of counterfeit coin—I don't know about the curling-tongs.

Cross-examined. The battery can be used for any purpose, electroplating or photographic—a man must have some practice in order to produce counterfeit coin of some perfection—to be a good maker he must have had some time—I have seen much better coins than these—a maker would have had to be a little time at it to produce these; a beginner could not have made them—these two solutions are constantly used in photography—as a rule Bunsen's battery is used, because it is more easily worked—no one would dream of this battery being used for coining, by itself nor with the solutions—you have the same solutions for electroplating; it is taking all the things together.

The prisoner in his statement before the Magistrate said he did not know the money was bad; that the things did not belong to him, and that he had never seen them before the inspector found them; that the man asked him if he had a place where he could lock them up, that he said he could put them in his box; that the man said he was a photographer and gilder, that the things were expensive, and that he put them in the box and handed him back the key; that the man had access to the room and paid the rent, using the furniture.

GUILTY .There were two other indictments against the prisoner.— Judgment respited.

The COURT commended the conduct of the officers.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1037
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1037. FREDERICK EDWARDS (27) , Unlawfully uttering counter. feit coin.

MR. BROXHOLM Prosecuted; MR. LAWLESS Defended.

CHARLES HORNE . I am assistant to Mr. Lamplough, chemist, of 113, Holborn—on 28th July a woman giving the name of Elizabeth Edwards came in about a quarter to 8 p.m. for a seidhtz powder and gave me half-a-crown, which I found to be bad—I told her about it; she went to the door—she asked me if I would speak to her husband—I said I would—she said "He is just at the door, I will bring him in"—she brought in the prisoner—he came in with a good deal of bounce and said "What is all this bother about?"—I said "This woman has given me a bad half-crown, and she says you are her husband, and that you will rectify it or explain it"—he said, "Allow me to look at this money; yes, it does appear to be a bad one; give it to me; it is a nasty thing to keep in one's possession, I will destroy it"—I kept it—I called a constable and gave the woman into custody—next day I attended at the police-court—the prisoner there said to me "I will make you sit up for this"—I took no notice of it—that was all he said—on the next hearing he said "I will warm you up for it, mark my words"—I gave evidence last Session and the woman got two months' hard labour. (See page 400.)

Cross-examined. They got as far as the door after paying with good money, and she was arrested—he was not charged—he spoke to me at the police-court in the hearing of the whole Court—the Magistrate told me if he took any further steps to give him into custody—the woman was tried in the name of Elizabeth Edwards.

CORNELLI PORTER (City Policeman 374). On July 28th I took the woman Edwards into custody close to Mr. Lamplough's shop—the prisoner came up to me after I had got her in custody at the corner of Hatton Garden, and told me he was her husband—he followed me to Clerkenwell Police-station—he was in court next day when the woman was charged, and again when she was remanded—she was searched at Clerkenwell Police-court by the female searcher, nothing was found on her—one of these half-crowns was given to me by Mr. Heron, chemist, in Hatton Garden.

SARAH JANE KEMPTON . I am barmaid at the Prince of Wales public-house, Caledonian Road, kept by Mr. Saunders—on September 5th, at 9 p.m., the prisoner came in for a glass of beer and paid 2d.—he then said "Can you take a couple of pounds' worth of silver?"—I said I would see—I afterwards said I would take 1l. worth—he gave me 1l. in silver; as I counted it I found the first four coins were half-crowns, and the third one was a bad one—I showed it to Mr. Saumders—the prisoner could not hear what I said—Mrs. Saunders looked at it and gave it to me back, I slightly bent it in the tester and told him it was bad—he said, "Is it? it is a swindle," or something of that kind, and added he would be the loser—he took it back and gave me a good one—I am quite sure the prisoner is the man—he had a little pet dog in his arms—I picked him out at the station from among others.

Cross-examined. I identified him at the police-court on the following Wednesday week, nearly a fortnight after—he was then dressed in the same way—the men he was with were not dressed so well as the prisoner, they were rather of the labouring class, he looked a little superior—I said "That is the man"—the bar was not more crowded that night than other

nights—when he said it was a mistake I thought it was one—I had no great reason for noticing him particularly—the bar was rather crowded.

By the COURT. The black came off the coin on my fingers and thumb—I did not sound it, it felt greasy.

ANNIE EARL I am the wife of Alfred Earl, who keeps the Offord Arms, Caledonian Road—at 9 o'clock p.m. on 6th September the prisoner came in and I saw him served with beer—after that he asked me if I would take 30s. of silver for gold—I said yes, and he gave ma 30s., which I passed to my husband, while I went to the gold till—while getting the gold there my husband came back and told the prisoner there was a bad 2s. piece, and he went round the bar and detained him till the police came.

Cross-examined. The prisoner had not been in the house many minutes when he asked for the change—I don't suppose I should have heard if the prisoner had rushed to the door—directly I saw my husband going round to him I moved away—there were two, three, or four people in the house at the time—it was rather quiet in the compartment the prisoner, was in.

ALFRED EARL . I am the husband of the last witness, and manager of the Offord Arms—on 6th September Berry came in and made a communication to me and went into another compartment, the prisoner was then in the house—my wife brought ran 30s.—I examined it and found a bad 2s. piece—I said to the prisoner, "Here in a bad 2s. piece"—he said nothing—I broke it in the engine in front of him—he made no answer, but went towards the door—I jumped over the counter and' stopped him—I called "Police" and gave him in charge.

Cross-examined. He went to go out, leaving the rest of the money in my hands—28s. of that was good—there were other people there—a policeman was outside and another in the opposite bar.

CHARLES BERRY (Detective Sergeant Y). On 6th September I went to the Offord Arms in the evening, in consequence of something I heard at another public-house—I first saw the prisoner outside the Edinburgh Castle, in the Caledonian Road; he went into the Offord Arms, and I went into another part of the bar there—I made a communication to Mr. Earl; about five minutes afterwards Earl spoke to me and I ran round to the other side of the bar, and found the prisoner detained by Earl—James Clark was with me—I said to the prisoner "I am a police officer, I am going to search you "—Earl had then produced this counterfeit florin—he said "You won't search me"—we did so—I found 2l. 4s. in silver and 5d. bronze, all good money, on him—I told him I should charge him with uttering a counterfeit florin; he said nothing to that—he was taken to the station—I said "We shall have to search your place"—he said "I don't think it is fair or right for my place to be searched unless I am present, or it is done in the presence of a superior officer, as my wife is at the seaside, and my landlord and landlady are in the country"—he gave the address 41, Hemingford Road—I afterwards went with the prisoner and James Clark to that address, and searched the two top rooms and ante-room, which the prisoner occupies—I found several packets of court plaster, six bottles of glycerine (all unopened), two boxes of pills, a box of violet powder, three short pieces of toilet covers, a new concertina, and a new writing desk—those were in drawers

and boxes and various parts of the room—when arrested the prisoner had a small black toy terrier with him.

Cross-examined. Altogether, with what was in the landlord's hands, the prisoner had 3l. 12s. good money—he gave his address at once when asked—I could see from where I was into the compartment the prisoner was in—Earl was speaking to me when the prisoner went towards the door, and Earl jumped over the counter and I went round to the door—I and the other officer were in plain clothes—there were 13 or 14 people in the bar the prisoner was in—Earl could see better than I could whether the prisoner rushed or not—Clark was standing outside the door—the prisoner did not know that—I know nothing against the prisoner, he has not been at work—he has been at this address six months, they had no reference with him.

JAMES CLARK (Policeman Y 456). On 6th September I was outside the Offord Arms public-house—Berry made a communication to me—I followed him into the private compartment of the public-house, where the prisoner was being held by Mr. Earl.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . The half-crown and florin are both counterfeit.

GUILTY .— Eighteen Months' Hard Lab

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1038
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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MR. POLAND and MR. MEAD Prosecuted.

RICHARD STRONG . I live at the Grange, Finchley Common, and am the owner of a good many houses in Finchley—about the middle of August I saw the prisoner, who told me he was a tenant of mine, and I find it was true—he said he was very much behind in his rent, and asked me to give him some work, to repair some houses, and he would work the

rent out in that way, and if there was any difference I could give it to him—he calls himself a painter and decorator—I gave him work to do, and I wrote this specification for him to do some work at Kelvin Road, and I made payments to him on account from time to time—these (produced) are the prisoner's receipts for payments at various periods, I saw him write them—on 20th September he called upon me and wanted me to advance him more money, I refused—I told him I had already advanced him too much, I had then advanced him between 20l. And 30l.—we had a long contention, and I got very angry with him and ordered him out of the place, and as he was going away I said, "You will have no more money from me," and he said, "I will have hundreds from you, perhaps thousands"—the same day a note was brought to me in the prisoner's handwriting, and I tore it up and threw the pieces under the grate—I afterwards searched for it; this (produced) is a piece of the letter—the same day a man, purporting to come from the prisoner, came and asked me for money, but I did not give him any—on 21st September I received this letter (produced) in the ordinary course of post; this is the envelope. (This bare the London postmark of 21st September, and was addressed to R. Strong, Esq., Finchley, and contained this Utter in pencil. "Sir,—Will you let me have 20 l.; many a man would give a 1,000 l. to prevent such criminal offers as you have made me from being known.—Yours respectfully, Thomas Wright. I have got a witness")—that letter is undoubtedly in the prisoner's writing—I at once took it to my solicitor, Mr. Tilley, at Kilburn, and acting upon his advice I met the prisoner at his office some few days afterwards—Mr. Tilley was anxious to know if there was anything coming to the prisoner, and put figures down from his dictation, and he also put down from my dictation the amounts I had let the prisoner have, and it showed a balance in my favour of 14s. and something, to which the prisoner assented—Mr. Tilley also showed the prisoner this letter, and he denied it, and made some allusion to the care-taker of an un let house in Kelvin Road, and said he did not know that anybody else could write it except her, and he said he would endeavour to find out who it was—he knew the caretaker, because he worked there—I then instructed Mr. Tilley to take proceedings, and attended at the Mansion House on 5th October—I swore my information before the Highgate Justices—Mrs. White was the caretaker of No. 23, Kelvin Road.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. The door of my office was shut when I ordered you out—the pantry is between my office and the scullery—I could not tell whether the scullery door was shut—I think if the housekeeper had been in the scullery she might have heard what you said, I have not produced her here to-day—there was no plumber at work in the w.c. on this day—you were employed at Brondesbury, and you spoilt a very expensive paper of mine there—I will not swear I was upstairs with the plumber when the housekeeper brought me down—I spoke loudly, I think, to my coachman, who was in the stable—I don't think he could hear what passed—when you went away you took two rolls of paper of mine, costing me two guineas, and never returned them—I don't think I gave you anything when I ordered you off—I don't recollect your requesting me and my solicitor not to stop any proceedings on your behalf; they would not have been stopped if you had—I will not swear you did not say it, but I feel quite certain you did not make any such observation.

Re-examined. My cook is a little deaf—the prisoner might have said those words, "I will have hundreds out of you, perhaps thousands," without her hearing, because it was in the yard, and it was said quite softly, almost in confidence to me.

EMMA WHITE . I was caretaker at 23, Kelvin Road—I do not live there now—I took care of the house for Mr. Strong, the landlord, to let it—the prisoner came to do some repairs—the letter produced is not my writing; I know nothing about it—it is not written by me—I did not have any quarrel with the prisoner while at the house.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I signed a letter "Ellen," but my name is Emma—my-maiden name was "Tone"—I am living now at Mr. Strong's—I have been in his employment five years as Emma Tone—I went to keep house for my father six months ago—I did not engage his present housekeeper, but I went to London for him—Mr. Strong did not give me any present—I think I took a pot of jam that he gave me, but no port wine, I will swear, and no jellies—I slept in his bed while he was away, because the housekeeper would not allow me to sleep in the bed I usually slept in, as it was laden up with clothes—I did not say "I will make it too hot for you yet"—I did not have a dispute with you in August—you came to me and said that unless you had a written apology from me you would expose me, and I said "Do your best, or do your worst, but you can do nothing, "you said that Mr. Strong bad money, and that you would have money from him, and I said you were a coward to come while I was alone—you borrowed some money from me, and I asked you to come and see me, to pay me what you owed—I did not take any handles off the doors; the handles came off—you accused me of it—I did not then say I would make it hot for you.

FREDERICK GEORGE NETHERCLIFT . I am an expert in handwriting, of 10, Bedford Row—I have had upwards of 40 years' experience—taking the letter of the 21st September marked B, and the paper marked A, and the receipts which I have studied, and comparing the word "Strong" with the words "Thomas Wright," I say they are the same writing.

Cross-examined. The whole letter is your writing and the receipts (The prisoner produced a letter)—this letter is decidedly the same writing, but a totally distinct hand (The prisoner desiring to prove what his real handwriting was, the learned Judge dictated the following, which the prisoner took down in pencil): "R. Strong, Esq. Sir,—Will you let me have 20l. Many men would give 1,000l. to prevent such criminal offers as you have made me from being known.—Yours respectfully, T. Wright." This being handed to the witness he said" This is written by the same hand.")

Prisoner's Defence. If I had made use of the word the prosecutor has sworn to, one of his servants would have heard me, and have given evidence. I have done everything to assist in finding out who wrote the letter. I declare the letter is a forgery, and I am perfectly innocent. Is it possible that a man in my position should write a letter demanding 20l. when I was doing work for 100l., having a job for 40l. odd at Bath, and when I had finished that, one for 60l. at Shepherd's Bush? It would be a lunatic's action for one who has a wife and six children, and could have plenty of work all winter, and it would be hard if I could not clear 15l. or 20l. for myself.

GUILTY .— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Friday, October 28th, 1887.

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24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1043
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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EMILE LOIBL . I trade as Markovitz and Co., cigarette makers, 11, Air Street, Regent Street—the prisoner has been for some time my manager; his salary was 312l. a year and a house rent free—in 1885 in consequence of some irregularities I gave him orders to pay cheques and p.o.o. which came by post into the bank every day; cash taken over the counter was to be kept in the safe, entered day by day, and paid in on the 1st of every month—I gave him a cheque for 30l. for petty cash, and when he exceeded that he came to me for a fresh cheque—I went there mostly every Saturday, and examined the cash book, the sales book, and the day book, but not the banker's pass book: I asked him many times for the pass book, and he always said that it was at the bank—I took it for granted that the money had been paid in—on August 5th I went there to draw a cheque for 1,000l.; there ought to have been 1,400l. to my credit at the bank—I said to the prisoner "Give me the cheque book;" he Raid "Do you want to draw any money?"—I said "Yes;" he said "We have got no money in the bank;" I was staggered, and said "What do you mean?"—he said "Well, we have got no money there; "I said "What do you mean?"—he said "Well, I have not paid the money in, I am very sorry"—I immediately went to my solicitor, and we sent for the pass book, which showed a balance to my credit on 5th August of only 87l., and the cash book showed 1,400l.—I gave the prisoner in custody the same afternoon.

Cross-examined. I carry on several businesses—I used to own the Pavilion Music Hall, and received compensation when it was taken for the Metropolitan Board of Works; I also carry on Long's Hotel, Bond Street; and I am a dealer in curiosities in the name of Edwards and Roberts, Wardour Street—the name of Markovitz has become a trade name for cigarettes—the prisoner was not to put himself forward as the owner of the business; he had power to endorse cheques as Markovitz and Co., but not to draw cheques—the account was in the name of Markovitz and Co.—he ordered small parcels of goods, and practically carried on the business—the only lot of goods he bought without my knowledge was this year—early in this year I entered into this agreement with him (Agreement to sell the business, stock, and fixtures to the prisoner for 1,000 l., 250 l. to be deposited on signing the agreement, and the residue on 24th June)—he paid the 250l. to my solicitor, which was to be forfeited if the agreement was not completed on 24th June, but on 28th June I agreed to allow him one month further for 50l. further payment, which he paid, and on 25th July some gentleman connected with him appealed to me for a further extension of time, to which I asked him to state the terms—I knew before that that he had entered into negotiations to bring out the business as a limited company, and I understood that he was negotiating with Brett and Cramer; I do not know what they are—if it had been properly brought out, I have no doubt that I should have taken shares, but I did not say that I would put 3,000l. into it—Mr. Scrivener, an accountant, drew up the annual balance sheet and audited the books up to 1st January, 1887—we

had a traveller, but the prisoner travelled now and then—if he thought he could in the interests of the business make a round he could go, but he had to tell me—his expenses would be taken out of the petty cash—he had a right to collect money—I left the conduct of the business to him, but I drew the cheques—if I said at the police-court "I remember telling the prisoner that I would extend the time for the purchase up to January next" that was true—he had actually, by my permission, up to January, 1888 to complete the agreement—I never knew him use a cheque which he had collected, to pay a debt due to my business, but I never looked into the books to see—he was justified in collecting all the money due from January 1st, 1887, and he had to pay all debts—if he had completed his purchase on July 25th, all the money he collected this year would have been his own, but he was 700l. deficient last year—he was acting as my servant till the money was paid, and had to pay all money into my bank—I was not going to draw this 1,000l. as a test; I bad no suspicion—I have not paid him back his 250l. and 50l.; I lay claim to that because he has forfeited his bargain; practically he has got nothing for his 300l., nor do I mean him to have anything for it—I did not agree to extend the time of purchase up to January 1st, 1888.

Re-examined. I wrote to his financial agents to make an agreement which was not made, and it lapsed—my accountant examined the books up to January 1st this year, and they were correct—in November, 1886, 65l. 1s. 7d. should have been paid in, which was not paid in, and in December, 1886, 59l. 0s. 1d. should have been paid in, and not a penny was paid in.

AUGUSTUS BURMEISTER . I am clerk and bookkeeper to the prosecutor; it was my duty to keep the books under the direction of the prisoner, who was the manager—the practice was to enter the cash sales in the book at the end of the day—I handed him the cheques in the morning and put them into the till, and the cash also, and in the evening I handed them to the prisoner, and he put them into the safe—he examined them and never found any fault—the gross takings in January were 68l. 2s. 8d., and for July 83l. 8s. 1d.; in November, 1886, the cash takings were 82l. 2s. 4d., all checked by the prisoner; in December, 1886 they were 91l. 13s. 9d.—Mr. Mowden, a tobacconist at Cambridge, owed the firm 20l. 5s. in January, and the prisoner went down there to collect it—he afterwards said that he had got a post dated cheque for it from Mr. Mowden, and said "Don't enter it because it is post dated," and I did not do so—I afterwards asked him if I might enter it now, and he said that I might, and I did so—this is it (produced), it is endorsed "Markovitz &co." in the prisoner's writing.

Cross-examined. There was a debtor and creditor account—I owed him money sometimes—a ledger was kept—Mr. Pearce of the Princess's Theatre was a customer, but I cannot say whether we owed him 20l. odd in January for advertisements—his account went into the trades account—what was done with him as an advertising agent was entirely separate, and was not put into the books—I do not know who Pearce's bankers are—I remember Mr. Loibl once saying to the prisoner that he might say to customers for business purposes that he was interested in the business—in January, 1886, I heard a discussion about endeavouring to get the Markovitz cigarettes introduced at all the theatres and public places he

could, but I did not hear Mr. Loibl say, "You may call yourself a partner if you like"—there was no secrecy about Mr. Mowden's cheque.

Re-examined. The cash in the till was entered the same night—the shutters were up and the shop shut, and everybody gone away but the prisoner and me—the prisoner was sometimes not there when the counting took place—I then put the money in the till and locked it up, leaving the key in—the prisoner would take out the day's takings in the evening or the morning and put them into another cash box which was kept in the safe—he had access to the cash book—the amount was posted into another cash book—they were all kept in the iron safe, and were in his possession as well as the cash, and the books set out the actual takings day by day.

By MR. GRAIN. All cash ought to be paid into the bank every day—the pass book did not come before me for a long time.

THOMAS PARTINGTON SCRIVENER . I am a chartered accountant of 9, Fleet Street—Mr. Loibl employed me to audit the accounts of the business to a certain extent—I made an audit up to the close of last year—I examined the banker's books; they showed a balance in the bank at the end of the year of 713l. 2s.—the bank's pass book was not before me to see whether that amount was there, but I have seen it since and found that at that time their account was 5l. 11s. 7d. overdrawn—the cash sales were 82l. 8s. 4d. and 17l. 9s. during the month in postal orders and small cheques, and 65l. 1s. 7d. should have been paid in during the month which was not—in December 1886 the books showed takings 91l. 12s. 9d., and small payments and post office orders 13l. 13s. 8d., leaving a balance of 59l. 9s. 1d., which ought to have been paid in and was not—no sum was paid in in November or December on account of cash sales—I have examined the books from January to the prisoner's arrest in August, and find on 17th January cash sales 68l. 2s. 8d. of which 17l. 7s. 2d. is in small cheques and post office orders, and the balance which should have been paid in in February was 50l. 15s. 6d., but it was not, nor any portion of it—the cash balance for July was 83l. 8s. 1d., of which 8l. 7s. 4d. was for small postal orders and so on, and 5l. 17s. 3d. in cash, that was not paid in or any portion of it—no cash at all was paid in by the prisoner during the whole of that year, and there ought to have been a balance on 5th August of about 1,650l. as shown by the cash book, but the balance that day as shown by the pass book was only 68l. 19s. 3d.—the cheque of Mowden's did not pass through the prosecutor's bank but through the Imperial Bank; it is dated 11th January, and entered in the books on 9th February.

Cross-examined. I assume the whole of the books to be correct, and that all the cash or cheques received ought to have been paid into the bank—there are a number of receipts showing that the prisoner paid a considerable sum, by cash or cheques, outgoings in the business which are not entered, and in respect of which, however irregular, the defendant is entitled to take credit, and I have given him the benefit of it—I do not find that cheques had been paid away, I assume it is cash—there are only one or two cheques which have not gone through the bank; I have traced them; they are customers' cheques—as a rule all customers' cheques have gone through the bank—receipts for sums paid by the prisoner for 290l. were handed to me, which I cannot trace through the books; they were on bill heads and were principally for advertisements—I

have given the prisoner credit for those sums, otherwise the general deficiency would be 1,800l.—the total deficiency this year is 410l—these receipts go back to 1885—I only find one account in 1885 and one in 1886 not entered in the books, and I have no means of knowing that they were paid by him; they are simply receipted bills which do not appear in the accounts—that is strong evidence that they were paid by the prisoner unless they were duplicates—I audited the books last year to a limited extent—I did not ask for the vouchers, that was not my province—I found a large quantity of tobacco entered in the stock book as being in bond, and I take it, paid for by Markovitz and Co., because it is a rule of the firm to pay for everything—I heard in general conversation that there were tobacco warrants standing in the prisoner's name.

Re-examined. The total amount for this year of receipts not entered in the books is 360l., and there is a queried list of 158l., with regard to which there are entries, but no record of the amounts passed through the bank—I should not give him credit for those unless he had paid them in cash instead of using the cheques, and as there is a slight doubt I give him the benefit of it in regard to 146l.—giving him credit for everything, the total deficiency on this year is 270l.

EMILE LOIBL (Re-examined). It was the prisoner's duty to place before me the amounts due by me to different people every Saturday, and I used to draw cheques for them—certain sums have been paid by the prisoner without my authority or knowledge—I never heard about those payments for advertising till after he was arrested—it was his duty to get cheques from me for advertising, and I believed I had signed cheques for everything I owed up to August 5th.

Cross-examined. I pressed upon him that it would be very desirable that he should canvas all the theatres and places of amusement where cigarettes are smoked, and try to get business, and he got a great many—I paid for the advertisements for that—when he took a cab he put it down to petty cash.

By the JURY. His salary as manager was continued up to his arrest—there was no change whatever in the arrangements in consequence of the agreement—his salary was 6l. a week, but no commission—he remained my servant up to his arrest, and the cheques for his salary are here—he was in my employment three years, I think.

JOHN MOWDEN . I am a wine and spirit merchant, of Cambridge—on 11th January I owed Markovitz and Co. 20l. 5s. which I paid to the prisoner personally by cheque, and he gave me this receipt—the cheque passed through my bank on 15th January.

JAMES EVANS (Policeman C 71). On 5th August I was called to Air Street, and Mr. Loibl gave the prisoner into my custody for embezzling 163l. 15s. 6d.—he asked Mr. Loibl to allow him a little time till he had seen a customer, and then he would make it all right, but he refused—he was charged at the station. and made no reply.

Witnesses for the Defence.

W.J. FOSTER. I am a solicitor—I acted for the prisoner on this agreement, and obtained this extension—I paid the 250l. and 50l. for him—I sent the usual requisition to Mr. Powell, the vendor's solicitor, on 14th March, and received his reply on 14th April—I prepared a draft assignment, and submitted it to him—he approved of it and returned it

to me—I had it engrossed, and sent it to Mr. Powell, who has had it ever since.

Cross-examined by MR. FULTON. I believe there was a syndicate—I know one was going to be formed, but I was not solicitor to it—Messrs. Brett and Parker were—I paid the 250l. by my own cheque—I believe Mr. Brett paid me a cheque—I paid the 50l. by my own cheque—I got the money from a gentleman who called with Mr. Wood, and paid me 50l. in notes—I do not know whether any of the money came from the prisoner.

THOMAS PEARCE . I am connected with the Comedy and Princess's Theatres, and the King's Head, Margate, and other places of entertainment—I received this cheque for 20l. 5s. from the prisoner for advertisements of Markovitz cigarettes at the Comedy, and paid it to my bankers, the Imperial Bank—I think I gave a receipt for it—it is marked off in in our books.

Cross-examined. I did not know that payment should have been made by a cheque of the firm, as I had dealt with the prisoner before and received cash from him.

GUILTY .— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1044
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > hard labour

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VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1047. CHARLES PATTERSON (17) , Robbery with violence on George Jonas, and stealing 1l. 10s., his money.

MR. ST. AUBYN Prosecuted; MR. H.C. RICHARDS Defended.

GEORGE JONAS . I live at 14, Parkfield Street, Islington—on Sunday morning, 2nd October, at a quarter to I, I was walking from the corner of Tottenham Court Road along the Hampstead Road—I met five men, one of whom is the prisoner I am quite sure—four of them caught hold of me, one on each arm and leg, and the prisoner rifled my pockets, in which I had 30s. in gold and a few coppers—as soon as they got it they ran away—I got hold of the prisoner as soon as they let go of me, and we rolled on the ground together—he called his friends to come and rescue him—they came back and kicked me while I was on the ground struggling with the prisoner—I had a slight graze on the forehead—I had opportunity of seeing his face well while I was struggling with him—as soon as I got away I followed the prisoner through a good many turnings calling "Stop thief," till he ran down a mews—he was the only

man I saw go down—I followed him—he ran out of the mews, and about 100 yards to the corner of Grafton Street, where a policeman met him and took him into custody—I was then three yards off—I charged him with theft and robbery—believe he said it was not him—I was sober; I had had a glass or two—I knew what I was about—I did not lose sight of the prisoner at all till he got down the mews; then I did.

Cross-examined. When I called out "Stop thief" I saw the people running behind—the mews has a very small entrance, three or four yards across—I did not go down it—I don't know how many stables are in it; it leads to University Hospital—I could give no description of the other four men—I think the prisoner was the most respectably dressed of the lot; I was struggling, and it took less than a minute—I remember nothing about the other four men, it was dark—the prisoner took the 30s. out of my left hand trousers pocket—he did not know me—I caught hold of him directly the others released my arms, he might have gone two yards—the four came back and rescued him, they had not moved twenty yards—I was not drunk—I had last had a glass at the corner of Baker Street with a cabman, we came out a little before twelve and walked down Euston Road and Hampstead Road; I stood talking to other men some time; I was not out with my cab—I had been to Collins's Music Hall—I had five or six glasses that evening, no spirits.

By the JURY. I did not see what the prisoner did with the plunder, when the men started to run the second time they got into a knot.

Re-examined. He had the opportunity of passing it to his friends—I had no opportunity of seeing the other men—I was being hustled, but I had the prisoner to myself for half a minute; the other men were at the side of me and the prisoner in front of me.

EUGENE PICKERING . I am an electrician, and live at 37, Francis Street, Tottenham Court Road—on this morning I was in Huntley Street, a turning just by Shoolbred's—I heard cries of "Stop thief" and "Police" and on looking round I saw five men coming up Huntley Street together towards me, conversing as they ran—the prisoner is one of them—I gave chase—the prisoner turned round Pancras Street and went through Mortimer Market, and from there into Tottenham Court Road and into University Street, where he turned to me and said "What are you going to do"—there were four men with the prisoner and a lot of people in chase behind me—the prisoner was the only one in front of me in University Street when he said that—I said "I am going to have a go at you"—the other four men came up and hustled me away, and the five ran away—I followed them into Huntley Street again to a mews which leads into University Hospital, facing Shoolbred's—I asked a lot of people to stop there, as the men could not get out at the other end—I went to find a policeman, and when I came back I found the prisoner was in custody.

Cross-examined. I had seen all five of them penned in the mews, I saw them creeping up by the side when I went to the police—I did not go down the mews—I was just under the archway at the entrance; I saw they were creeping along with their backs to the wall—I could not say what the other men were like, they kept out of my way except when they pushed me about—I did nothing to the prisoner; I did not get hold of him—when I was following him the other four men were behind me, I was ahead of everybody except the prisoner—I went after him because he

was the front man running; they did not knock me about—I only got one on the mouth.

DAVID JONES (Policeman D 454). On this morning I was on duty in Gower Street—I heard cries of "Stop thief" and "Police"—I proceeded in the direction they came from and saw five or six people, of whom the prisoner is one, running up Grafton Street in the direction of Gower Street—he fell down—I picked him up—the prosecutor came up and charged him—the prisoner said nothing—I took him to the station, where I searched, and on him found 10s. 6d. in silver, and 1/2 d., and a latch key—it is about a minute's walk from where I arrested him to the mews—Huntley Street runs parallel to Gower Street.

Cross-examined. It was five minutes past one when I arrested him—he was two or three yards in front of five of six others who were running when he fell; there was no crowd in the rear—I found no gold on him—I had the impression that the prosecutor had been drinking.

By the JURY. The prisoner fell turning sharply round the corner, no one knocked him down—he did not see me—Grafton Street runs from Gower Street to Tottenham Court Road and crosses Huntley Street.

Re-examined. I could not say he was drunk; he knew what he was about.

The prisoner received a good character from several witnesses.

EUGENE PICKERING (Re-examined by the COURT). All the men ran into the mews, there was no egress at the other end, and they must have come out the same way as they went in—the prosecutor and perhaps a dozen others were standing at the mouth of the mews with me when I saw them creeping back again—I was away when they came out—I left the prosecutor there.

GEORGE JONAS (Re-examined by the JURY). I was about twenty yards off when the prisoner ran into the mews—when the last witness went for a policeman, he left me and a lot of people standing at the mouth of the mews, and I was standing there when the prisoner made a sudden rush and darted out and dashed by me—I was about two yards from the policeman when the prisoner was arrested—I saw him fall over.


24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1048
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > with recommendation
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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1048. RICHARD MARCHANT (26) and JOHN FROST , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Mary Smith, and stealing two watches and other articles, and 3l., her goods and money. Second Count, receiving the same.


MR. PARTRIDGE Prosecuted; MR. BESLEY defended Frost.

MARY SMITH . I am a widow and live at 127, Blagrove Street, Stepney—on the evening of 8th October I went out, having locked up my house, about half-past eight—when I returned at 10.30 I found the door broken open and the place in disorder—I missed articles of the value of 10l., two watches, a pair of earrings, a brooch, a case, a locket, a ring, a pair of opera glasses, an overcoat, a coat, a waistcoat, a suit of clothes, and 3l., all my property—these articles (produced) are my property; they were in the house before I went out.

Cross-examined. The value of these things is about 3l. 12s. 6d.—by far the more valuable amount of property is not before me—I know nothing of the prisoner—I don't know how long the men had been gone before I got home, I found no one there.

FREDERICK FOX (Detective Sergeant S). I received information of this

burglary—on 10th October I went with Sergeant Sampson to 8, Emmett Street, Limehouse, a coffee-house of which Frost is proprietor—I eventually saw Frost in the kitchen—I said "I am Sergeant Fox and this is Sergeant Sampson with me"—we were in plain clothes—I said "We have got a man in custody for house-breaking, and it has come to our knowledge that you bought two watches, a pair of opera-glasses, a brooch and earrings, and a locket, which were the part proceeds of a case of house-breaking at Stepney on Saturday night last"—Frost stood facing us, he turned round and dropped his hands on the table, and stood like that for about a minute—he then turned round and took these two watches from his pocket—I said "We want everything;" he took this locket from his purse—I said "This is not all"—he stood for about a minute and then he said "I have got them; the rest are upstairs"—I said "We will go and see them"—we went upstairs; he took out from his pocket a bunch of keys, and unlocked the drawers of a chest of drawers standing in his bedroom, and took out this pair of opera glasses from a case, and gave them to me—I again told him it was not all; he then called to some one "Find me that case that I gave you to put away"—I left Sampson in charge of Frost and went out of the room, following a woman downstairs through the kitchen into a wash-house adjoining the kitchen—I there saw her pull the mouth of a bag on one side—I said something that made her stand back—I looked and saw this case containing this brooch and earrings—the bag was in a tub—I took it out and I saw in the tub also a lot of publicans' pewter pots nearly filling the tub—I took the case and earrings upstairs and showed them to Frost, who said "That is what I meant."

Cross-examined. I have given the conversation as nearly as possible in my words and his—I have no previous knowledge of Frost, and Sampson has none; neither of us belong to the neighbourhood—I know Frost has lived in that neighbourhood for 13 years—it is a sailors' boarding-house—I examined the place—it is a coffee-house, and is registered as a common lodging-house; sailors lodge there—he does not sell spirits or liquor—going over the place I recognised such articles as are in this list (produced)—very few were marked as to the names of sailors who had left them—I recollect one handkerchief, with a watch tied in one corner and a couple of rings in the other, which looked as though it might belong to a sailor; I did not take them away—we did not tell Frost at the time that we were informed he had received the proceeds of several housebreakings; he did not tell us that on the previous Sunday he had been induced to lend money on this very property by a man who wanted money, the pawnbrokers' shops not being open—he did not say with reference to the other property that the owners were coming to take it away—the owner of the pewter pots has been to me; there is no charge about them—one pair of opera glasses looks as if it had been used—I should value the set of brooch and earrings at at least 10s.—it was at 4 o'clock on Monday afternoon I went—it was one of his daughters Frost called—they did not explain that he had left it as part of the property on the shelf, and that they, hearing we were detectives, had foolishly put it away and concealed it—Sampson afterwards said that, on going to the tub he said to Frost "That is where I found the case containing the brooch and earrings," and that Frost said "I thought she had put it on the shelf," pointing to the shelf by the side of the water-tank in

the wash house; the prisoner was not down there when I went to get the things.

Re-examined. On a few articles there was a small ticket as if they were being kept for sailors who were away, but most of the things had no mark on them.

SAMUEL SAMPSON (Police Sergeant H). I went to the house, 127, Blagrove Street, between 11 and 12 o'clock on the night of the 8th, and saw entrance had been effected by forcing the front door—I saw the drawers in a state of confusion—on 10th October I accompanied Fox to Frost's house—I have heard his evidence, and I corroborate it as to the conversation that took place—on searching the house with Fox I found a pencil-case.

ELIZA PHILPOT . I live at 44, British Street, Bow Road, and am a widow—on 24th September I went away from my house from 8 till 9.10 p.m., leaving nobody there—I shut and secured the door; when I returned I opened the door as usual, there were marks on it; I found four rooms had been ransacked, and missed a large number of articles, among them these four silver bracelets, amber necklace, gold chain, two pairs of earrings, two gold lockets, opera glasses, ring, and other rings not here.

Cross-examined. These are my articles, they form a very inconsiderable portion of those taken; they look much worse now than when they were taken; the bracelets are worth more than a few shillings; this has been worn three or four years.

FREDERICK FOX (Re-examined). I afterwards said to the prisoner, "Have you any more stolen property that you wish to give up?"—he said, "No, I have not"—I said, "Anything bought from the same man?"—he said, "No, I have not"—I then read to him a list of Mrs. Philpot's articles, giving a description as well as the name of the articles; I also read another list in another case—the prisoner said "I have got nothing of the kind"—I then told him we should search the place; I went to the drawers—he wanted to lock up the place I had previously seen him take Mrs. Smith's pair of opera glasses from—I found in the drawer in this handkerchief all the articles now mentioned except this pair of earrings—I said "Do you wish to say anything about these?"—he said "I do not know anything about that, I do not know what it contains"—I said "It is part proceeds of a case of house-breaking at British Street, No. 44, committed on 24th September last"—he said "The same man brought that as brought the other lot. The man came each time on Sunday morning; he was coming to fetch this lot; I don't know who he is, but I think I should know him again if I saw him"—I told him he would be charged with feloniously receiving the property in the handkerchief, and also the other property, which was part proceeds of two cases of housebreaking—I don't remember that he said anything in reply.

By MR. BESLEY. All that I said before about Mrs. Smith, took place before I read over the list of things and talked about Mrs. Philpot—I told him not to lock the drawers again, and he did not do so—after we went to the washhouse read a whole list of Mrs. Philpot's things to him—after I had found the things and told him where they had been stolen from he said the things were brought on Sunday morning each time; I told him a man was in custody—all Mrs. Philpot's things except the earrings were tied up in the handkerchief and in the drawer.

Re-examined. At first lie said he knew nothing about the articles, and had not got them.

ALFRED FRANCIS HUBERT . I am warehouseman of 89 St. Paul's Road, Bow—on 10th September my house was broken into, and among other articles I missed this silver pencil case, which I swear to.

Cross-examined. Various other articles were stolen—I had had the pencil case eight or nine years: it could not have been in the possession of Frost's daughter in June this year—there is no mark on it; I know it, having had it so long, and by the stone and the pattern; I identified this at the police-court.

SAMUEL SAMPSON (Re-examined). I found this pencil in a drawer in Frost's bedroom, where the other jewellery was found—when charged at the station I searched Frost and found this ring in his purse—I called his attention to it, and he said "Oh, that is worth nothing"—it is Mrs. Smith's ring; I think it is gold, it has been worn a great deal.

Cross-examined. He did not say he had picked it up in the house, and did not know which parcel it belonged to; the pencil case was not tied up in the handkerchief with Mrs. Philpot's things.

JOSEPH BARRETT . I live at Chine Cottage, Carisbrook Road, Walthamstow, and am a builder—on Sunday evening, September 11th, our house was broken into, and I lost many articles, and among them this gold necklet and locket—I gave 10 guineas for them.

Cross-examined. I bought the necklet four years ago for 7 guineas, and the locket five years ago for 3 guineas; they were new—I also lost a watch and part of an Albert chain that I had worn out.

SAMUEL SAMPSON (Re-examined). I found this necklet and locket in the same drawer in the prisoner's bedroom—the prisoner said "That is no good"—I had them tested, and they were pronounced to be 15-carat gold.

Cross-examined. I am not a jeweller; I did not think they were gold at first.

Witnesses for the Defence.

ISABEL FROST . I live with my father and mother at the Rose of Denmark, Poplar, a boarding-house for sailors—we have lived there in that house thirteen years—during that time sailors have been in the habit of using the house as a boarding-house—I assist in the management of the house—I have prepared from memory a list of things left at the house—I believe some of them have been taken away by sailors—about half are left now—all these 43 sailors on the list have left things—it is a common practice of sailors to leave articles in my father's possession—this pencil-case was given to me in November, 1886—a pilot who is hero asked me to let him use it three or four months since—I believe this is the one I had, it resembles it very closely—I also speak to a gold pencil-case which was taken away—I had had that since 1883; it was purchased at Massey and Matthews', Leadenhall Street—I was in the shop on Sunday, 23rd September, and Sunday, October 9th, when a man came for my father—he was not in—the man who came was not Marchant but another man—he left a small silver set of brooch and earrings in a case, and something else with my mother—I don't know what the other property was—he said he would find my father—the man came in afterwards with my father—I believe my father advanced the prisoner some money on the property,

it was to be claimed the following day—my father called me Belle—my half-sister put the things in the tub, after the police came to the house, without my father's knowledge, she told me so—I know it was on the shelf in the kitchen when the police came, people were constantly going in and out of there—I did not go down to find it—my father lived for a few months at St. George's-in-the-East before we went to Emmett Street.

Cross-examined. My sister put the jewellery in the tub in a fright, because she heard the police say my father was supposed to have purchased jewellery that had been stolen—she knew of my father's innocence, but she thought it might go against him, and she did it on the impulse of the moment, in confusion.

THOMAS JAMES CLANCY . I am a pilot and seaman—I have known Frost continually since 1875 or 1874 very intimately—I have used the accommodation of his house very often, and I have found many other sailors and shipmates there—I have often left in his possession my goods, wearing apparel, while I have been at sea; I have always got them back safely—he has sometimes given me a little advance, very little—I have very often seen Isabel Frost in possession of a silver pencil-case during June, August, and September, and have coveted it—this looks very muck like it, this is it—she presented it to me; I did not wish to deprive her of it, and said this was good enough for me, pulling out a wooden one—this is the self-same silver pencil-case that I saw in June, August, and September—Mr. Frost is very much respected as an honest man.

Cross-examined. This gold pencil-case seems very like one I have seen in Miss Frost's and her father's possession during many months previous to June.

AXEL REISS . I am a seaman—I have seen Mr. Frost since 1878—for the last three years I have used his boarding-house when on shore—I have met a number of other sailors there—I have left some of my property in his custody; some is there now—I have known sailors leave property with him while they went to sea—Charley Steinaveldt is one, he is on a voyage now—my things have always been kept safely for me—Frost has not advanced money on them—I have seen watches and rings and Alberts belonging to sailors in his possession.

JOHN BURCHELL . I am a sailor—I have known Frost seven years, and have used his place whenever I came home from sea—I am stopping there now—I always leave my watch and things with him—I have borrowed money of him.

WILLIAM STEVENS . I live at Ridgemount Villa, Leytonstone; I have known the prisoner 35 years, he was a tenant of mine for 13 or 14 years—I know as a fact that sailors have deposited trinkets, watches, and clothes and things with him for security—he has borrowed money of me for the purpose of lending to them.

Cross-examined. I have seen the tub, and I have known him put things which sailors deposited with him into the tub.

FROST received an excellent character.—

GUILTY .—Recommended to mercy on account of his previous good character.— Judgment respited.

OLD COURT.—Saturday, October 29th, 1887.

Before Mr. Justice Stephen.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1049
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown
SentencesCorporal > whipping; Imprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > hard labour

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1049. ARTHUR GROVES (15), WILLIAM THORPE (15) ARTHUR JACKMAN (16), and HENRY WEST (16), PLEADED GUILTY to carnally knowing and abusing Elizabeth Heather, a girl under the age of 13; and JAMES SUDBURY (15) and the said WILLIAM THORPE also PLEADED GUILTY to a like offence upon Elizabeth Norris, a girl under 13; GEORGE HUNT (18) was convicted of a like offence upon the said Elizabeth Heather; and JOSEPH PEACH SADLER (18) was indicted for a like offence upon the said girl, and was acquitted.

GROVES, SUDBURY and THORPE were sentenced to twelve strokes with a birch. HUNT— Two Months' Hard Labour. JACKMAN and WEST— Six Weeks' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1050
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1050. HENRY LANGLEY (28) for a rape on Elizabeth Rowswell.

MR. POLAND and MR. CHARLES MATHEWS Prosecuted. MR. MEAD defended at the request of the COURT.


24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1051
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1051. HENRY ASHWORTH (53) , Feloniously wounding Elizabeth Sarah Ashworth, with intent to do her grievous bodily harm.

MR. POYNTER Prosecuted; MR. FRITH Defended. ELIZABETH SARAH ASHWORTH. I am the prisoner's wife and live at 2, Kemble Street, Drury Lane—on Saturday, the 10th September, about 6.30 or 7 p.m., I had been out marketing and came in and laid down and went to sleep, and I remember nothing more until I was taken into the hospital at five minutes to ten, and I then asked what I was brought here for—I found I had been wounded in the neck by a stab—I had had a little gin and a little ale before I went to bed—I had had no quarrel with my husband on this day, but I had had quarrels with him before.

Cross-examined. He is a very kind—hearted man; I have been married to him eleven years—I have no family by him—he is a hard-working, industrious man, and I can't understand why he did this—he has been a member of the working Society of Bookbinders for over thirty years.

HENRY ROTHWELL (Policeman E 265). On Saturday night, 10th September, I was called to 2, Kemble Street, Drury Lane, by a little boy; the prisoner opened the door to me and said "Come upstairs, I have stabbed my wife"—I followed him upstairs and found his wife lying on the floor at the side of the bed with her head under the window—she was lying in a pool of blood, and had a wound in her neck—the prisoner was there and he said "She drove me to it, I am very sorry for it"—she was unconscious—I found the knife (produced) on the table, it might be a bootmaker's knife, or a bookbinder's—I took the woman to King's College Hospital—there were two beds in the room; I examined one and found blood dripping through the mattress on to the floor, and it appeared as if some one had lain on the bed.

Cross-examined. I said before the Magistrate "I have made inquiries and found the woman often gets drunk."

E.S. ASHWORTH (Re-examined by MR. FRITH). I sometimes have a little to drink after I have done my work, and it gets up into my head.

JAMES HAYNES (Police-Inspector). About ten minutes to ten on the 10th September I was in charge of the station when the prisoner was

brought in—he was put in the dock, and the constable said he was called by the prisoner, who said "Come upstairs, I have stabbed my wife;" and that he had taken the prisoner's wife to the hospital insensible—I entered the charge and read it over to the prisoner, who made no reply.

JAMES MCNAB . I am house surgeon at King's College Hospital—on the night of 10th September I was called into the surgery and found the prosecutrix lying on the table—I examined her and found a penetrating wound on the left side of the neck, about two inches below the left angle of the jaw; it was about an inch in length and a little over an inch in depth—there was a steady issuing of the blood, as one of the large veins of the neck was divided—a knife, such as the one produced, might have caused such a wound by a thrust—it was a wound decidedly dangerous to life, but she is out of danger now—she was in danger I thought for about four or five days—I think she was intoxicated when she was stabbed.

Cross-examined. There was nothing in the character of the wound to show from what direction the hand was wielded, but it was probably directed a little downwards—the wound did not show that it was indicted by a direct blow; it might have been inflicted if a struggle had ensued and he had got the knife in his hand.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I was obliged to stay out all Saturday afternoon and evening because of her violence, and when I did return home she attacked me, and in the struggle I stabbed her. She has been violently drunk three and four times a week."

The prisoner being allowed to tell his own story, repeated in substance the time statement.

GUILTY of unlawfully wounding. Six Weeks' Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Saturday, October 29th, 1887.

Before Mr. Recorder.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1052
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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1052. THOMAS JONES (34) PLEADED GUILTY to burglary in the dwelling-house of Isabella Mackinnon, with intent to steal, after a conviction at this Court in September, 1883.— Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1053
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1053. WILLIAM JONES (20) and JAMES BENNETT (17) , Stealing a watch of Alfred Holden from his person.

MR. GRIFFITHS Prosecuted; MR. FRITH defended Bennett.

ALFRED HOLDEN . I am a clerk—on 19th September, about 4.30, I was on Tower Hill, and stopped to look at a man who was selling something—I was wearing a silver watch attached to a chain—I felt a tug at my chain, and saw Jones with my watch in his hand—he ran away, and I after him—he ran round the crowd and bent down as if trying to hide himself, and then ran up Tower Hill into a urinal and out at the other side—as we took him to the station we passed the spot where the watch was stolen—there was a cry in the crowd "He has got it!" and I saw Bennett run off—this is my watch (produced)—it has my initials on it.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. I do not know that it was handed to Bennett, but I saw him run.

GEORGE SAUNDERS (City Policeman 844). I heard a cry of "Stop thief!" in the Minories, and saw Jones running—he ran into a urinal, and I after him; he ran out and in, forming a figure 8, till I caught him—he used an expression and attempted to kick we in the privates, and

in doing so passed his hand under my left arm to Bennett, who was at my elbow—Bennett ran, and a witness said "He has got it!" and ran after him—I took Jones to the station, and a gentleman brought the watch in.

Cross-examined by Jones. I had you by your throat and right arm, and you passed the watch under my right arm—you were struggling violently.

CHARLES LUCY . I saw Jones taken in custody; I followed, and saw him pass a watch to Bennett.

BENNETT— NOT GUILTY of stealing.


He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction at Clerkenwell in May, 1887.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1054
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1054. THOMAS FOWLER (49) , Stealing 24 bottles of champagne, and a case, the property of Fred William Dingwall and others.

MR. HEDDON Prosecuted.

FRIEND OATS (City Policeman 213). On 4th October, at 4 p.m., I was on duty in Red Cross Street, and saw the prisoner carrying a case of champagne on his shoulder—I followed him—he placed it in a cab—I told him I was a policeman, and asked him where he got it—he said "A man gave it to me in Upper Thames Street to carry to Hoxton"—I said "Where to?"—he said "To a public-house; jump in the cab and go with me and see"—I said "Don't you know the man?"—he said "I have seen him once before"—I took him to the station—he then said "A man gave it to me to carry in Queen Street"—I said "Where did you leave the man?"—he said "At the General Post Office"—I then charged him.

PHILIP JACKSON . I am cellar-man to Dingwall and Co., of 1, Idol Lane—on 4th October I went from there to Aldersgate Street—the number of it was 7421—I left it outside the Charrington Hotel, while I went in—I came out at 3.40 and it was gone—I saw it next morning in the hands of the police.

HARRY BELLAMY . I am clerk to Dingwall and Co.—this case of champagne was their property—it is worth 72s.

Prisoner's Defence. The man asked me to carry it, and told me to put it into a cab; I did so, and asked the policeman to go with me: if he had he would have seen the man.


He then PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction at this Court in September, 1887.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1055
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1055. HENRY JACOBS (16), and ERNEST JONES (16) , Robbery with violence on Henry Frank Taylor, and stealing 6s., his money.

MR. HEDDON Prosecuted.

HENRY FRANK TAYLOR . I am 10 years old, and live with my father at 36, Hatchard Road, Holloway—on 12th September, at 8.30 a.m., my mother sent me out with 6s. to pay—I met the prisoners and five or six others—Jacob sprang upon me and knocked me down, and Jones punched me in my chest, and 2s. 6d. fell from my hand—I picked it up again—they took the 6s. from me and ran away—I spoke to a policeman and then went after them—I knew Jacob before.

JAMES MACGREOOR (Policeman J 123). On 4th September, Taylor's father gave Jacobs into my custody, and charged him with stealing 3s. 6d.

from Taylor; he made no reply, but going to the station he said to some lads who were following "Where is Jonesey"—he was charged at the station and made no answer—I took Jones at 11.30 the same night at 150, Fairbridge Road, Hornsey—I told him he was wanted for being with Jacobs and three others, and stealing 3s. 6d. from Taylor—he said: "You have made a mistake this time, policeman, I was not there"—I took him to the station, and Taylor identified him by his right hand being cut off—he had said before he came "One of the lads has got his hand off"—when Jones was placed in the cell he shouted out "Jacobs"—Jacobs said "Yes"—Jones said "I will break your b—face for rounding on me, you had the boy's money and blamed me for it."

Witness for Jacobs.

GEORGE JACOBS . I am Jacobs' father; he lives with me at 79, Cornwallis Road, Upper Holloway—I did not hear of this till the 16th, but; on the 12th I got up at 7 a.m. and lit the fire in the room where my son, was sleeping—he did not rise till 8, and he sat down to breakfast, and at 8.30 I heard the factory bell ring, and asked him if it was half-past 8 or 9—he said "Half-past 8, the bell does not ring at 9"—he did not finish, breakfast and go out till 9, as he came into the bedroom and cleaned his, boots and washed himself, and went down with a pail of water, and told, his mother he was going to Westminster to try and get into the Army—he left the house at 20 minutes or quarter to 10—if anybody swears he was committing a highway robbery with Taylor at 8.30 they are telling an untruth.

Cross-examined. This was on a Monday—I first heard of his arrest two days afterwards—I breakfasted at 8 o'clock with my wife and son, and about the same time on Tuesday, and my son too, and the same on the Saturday before, and he went out immediately after.

Jones's Defence. My mother can prove that I was at Crouch Hill at the time, because she was with me.

ELIZABETH GOODSHIP . Jones is my eon by a former husband—he was taken in custody from his bed, on this charge, on Monday the 12th—he goes on a crossing, on account of his arm being off, and on that day he, went out from my place and came back at his usual time, about a quarter to 10—I stood in the front room waiting for him, and he came in with his broom—I live at 160, Fairbridge Road, Holloway.

GUILTY . The prisoners were further charged with previous convictions at Clerkenwell on 3rd May 1887, to which they both

PLEADED GUILTY**— Nine Months' Hard Labour each.

THIRD COURT.—Saturday, October 29th, 1887.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1056
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1056. BRUCE HASWELL, (31) , Feloniously stealing an order for the payment of 150l., the property of Francis Wallis Butler.

MR. GEOGHEGAN Prosecuted; MR. BODKIN Defended.

FRANCIS WALLIS BUTLER . In January I was living at Rathgar, near Dablin—I now live at 14, Bromley Road, Stockwell—in January I saw this advertisement in the Standard, about a situation at 125l. a year, 150l. to be deposited—in consequence I wrote to the address, given, 13, Cross Lane, St. Mary-at-Hill, E.C.—I received a reply, and in

consequence came to London and called at the address and saw the prisoner—I had a conversation with him about the advertisement; he told me his business, that of a wholesale and colonial merchant, had been established between 11 and 12 years, that his mother had 15,000l. in it, and that his two sisters had an interest of 6,000l. a piece—in consequence of what he said I instructed my solicitors to prepare this agreement—I know the prisoner's writing—this is his signature—he signed the agreement on 11th February. (The memorandum of agreement was read. By it Haswell agreed to take Butler into his service as managing clerk from 21st February, at a commencing salary of 125l. per annum, payable monthly; the engagement to terminate at the option of either party by three month notice in writing; Butler agreeing to deposit with Haswell 150l. cash, solely as security for his good conduct and behaviour, which sum, Haswell agreed to return within three months, on condition that Butler had fulfilled his duties properly.)—Mr. Ram, managing clerk to Messrs. Bannister and King, solicitors, prepared that agreement—they are the London agents of Messrs Tandy and Go., solicitors, of Dublin—after the agreement was drawn up, Mr. Ram gave this cheque to the prisoner. (This was a cheque on the Bank of Ireland for 150l., payable to Messrs. Bannister and King, or order, signed S.N. Tandy.)—I expect Mr. Ram endorsed it—I saw the cheque handed to the prisoner; it was mine—Mr. Tandy is nay solicitor, and I having got money in the funds, Mr. Tandy advanced me this cheque for 150l. on that security—when the cheque was given to the prisoner be told me it would remain untouched, and it was to be returned to me at the expiration of a quarter, and if I fulfilled the business satisfactorily he would very likely return it in a fortnight—I entered on the business at 13, Cross Lane about 7th March—I was not overburdened with work—I saw no signs of business—there was not much correspondence—I saw no goods at all—I know the prisoner under the name of Bruce Haswell—almost each day that I was there persons called for De Barnveldt, and a few asked for Haswell—at the end of June or a little later, a gentleman, who said he was from Holland, asked for De Goot—I told the prisoner about those persons calling—he told me Mr. De Barnveldt was a clerk he had engaged before, and that he had absconded with some clerks that he had and 4,000l. or 40,000 Mrs. in cash—I asked him who De Goot was; he said he was a person he was doing or going to do business with in Holland—I received about 48l. salary from March to June—in the beginning of August this year I entered an action in the Mayor's Court against the prisoner for arrears of salary—I recovered judgment (the amount was 12l. or 13l.), and tried to get the proceeds from his house, 32, Kings wood Road, near Wandsworth, but I received notice of other prior claims and had to withdraw my execution, and I have not had a farthing—I spoke to him about the end of June for the return of the 150l. cheque; he told me it was intact in his solicitor's hands—he did not tell me who his solicitor was, but I understood his name was Cook—I have asked him for the cheque scores of times; he told me it was always there to be had and I could have it, but he did not tell me where it was—I have never received it—it has been cashed—I have never received a farthing of this 150l.—since I put in the execution I have had two sums of 2l. 10s. each on account of the salary the prisoner owes me—I did not get it by means of the judgment summons.

Cross-examined. The first time I saw the prisoner was when I saw him

in answer to the advertisement—I knew nothing of him nor he of me—he asked me what kind of property I had—I have mortgages on land in Ireland—I read the agreement over and carefully considered it—I understood it without asking Mr. Ram—the end of the second paragraph says "the said sum of 150l. being deposited as security"—I handed him a cheque which was intended to represent cash—I should have been satisfied if I had received back 150l. in cash instead of the cheque—about the middle of August, after I contemplated these proceedings, I left Messrs. Bannister and employed Mr. Ruddell as my solicitor—all Mr. Ruddell did was with my knowledge and approval—the summons was issued at the police-court about the end of August—during the adjournment of the summons I received two sums of 2l. 10s. each—I was present with Mr. Ram when the prisoner called on 6th July, and said "I will call at your office and pay the money"—I don't remember if I said at that time, "It is not the money I want, but the cheque"—he told me I should receive back my cheque, he had it uncashed—I cannot say if that was the only time on which he said, "I will pay the money."

Re-examined. On 5th or 7th May the prisoner had another cheque from me for 100l.—he owes me 250l., and in addition he owes me from 20l. to 25l. for salary—on behalf of the 250l. I have not had a farthing; on behalf of my salary I have had 5l. 7s. 6d.

By MR. BODKIN. I have received 48l. for salary since March.

By the COURT. I was with him from March till July 20th, when the office closed, but he was bound to give me three mouths' notice, which he has not done.

HENRY STOPFORD RAM . I am a solicitor, of 13, John Street, Bedford Row, and conveyancing clerk to Messrs. Bannister and King, the London agents of Tandy and Co., of Dublin—on 10th February Mr. Butler came to us, and, from instructions received, I prepared the agreement which has been read—it has my signature—the prisoner signed it "Bruce Haswell and Co."—on 11th February this cheque, bearing the endorsement of my firm, Bannister and King, and my endorsement, was handed over to the prisoner, who said he intended simply to keep the money intact as security for the good behaviour of Mr. Butler, and return it at the expiration of three months, or possibly at the end of a fortnight—the deposit was solely for the purpose of security—on 6th July Mr. Butler called and asked me to go down with him to see the prisoner—I asked the prisoner if he had got the cheque for 150l. still, and if he could produce the money at once—he said he would endeavour to do so the following Saturday; that would be 9th July—he said he would call at Messrs. Bannister's office on Saturday, 9th July—he called—I did not see him myself—I have never received a farthing of that 150l.

Cross-examined. I said before the Magistrate that on 6th July I said to the prisoner "Is the 150l. forthcoming, according to the agreement?"—he said "I will call at your office on the following Saturday and pay the money"—Messrs. Bannister and King had no interest in the cheque whatever; it was sent over to us from Ireland.

Re examined. It was payable to us, and we endorsed it over.

FREDERICK MARTIN . I am general managing clerk to Messrs. Bannister and King, solicitors—on 9th July I saw the prisoner and Mr. Butler together at our office—that was the Saturday on which Mr. Ram did not see the prisoner—I asked the prisoner why he did not repay the

money to Mr. Butler—he said to Mr. Butler "You have injured me in my business by speaking derogatively of me to my customers'—he said the money was at the bank; he had it intact; ho had not parted with it—I understood him the cheque was at the bank—he offered Mr. Butler no money on that occasion, but afterwards he offered him, before me, 2l. for pocket-money, as he did not wish to keep him without anything—he said "I won't pay you"—he said "I will give you 2l. pocket-money; I still have the cheque"—Mr. Butler would not have the money; he was very indignant—I have receive! nothing on behalf of Mr. Butler; I advised him not to take anything—I had two interviews with the prisoner on 9th and 23rd July.

Cross-examined. On 7th July I wrote to the prisoner, and in answer to that he came on the 9th—when I said "How is it you don't pay the fnoney, have you it still?" and he said he had it intact, I understood him to refer to the cheque, not the money—he told me the cheque was intact—I asked him whether he had the money, and he said he had the cheque intact—on the 23rd he said "I still have the cheque"—Mr. Butler then said, "If it will be any convenience to you I will take it by instalments."

Re-examined. The prisoner then said that Butler was his servant, and he would not gratify his impertinent curiosity.

GEORGE JAMES GREEN . I am chief clerk of the London and County Bank, Westminster Branch—on 13th February the prisoner opened an account at our bank with this cheque for 150l. on the Bank of Ireland, dated 10th February—there was another payment in, on the credit side, of 40l.; that made 190l. to his balance—his account was closed on 29th September—he has drawn out every farthing of the 190l. except 4s. 3d. which we kept for commission and charges—we notified him that his account was closed—the account was opened and drawn on in the name of Walter de Barnveldt—I knew him by no other name—he had not 150l. to his credit in August, or anything like it, but only a few shillings—the account was opened on 13th February, but the amount was credited on the 17th, and on the 18th he drew out 50l. in cash.

SAMUEL FLEMING . I am clerk to the Bank of Ireland, in Dublin—Mr. Shapland Morris Tandy has an account at that bank—this cheque was sent to the National Bank through the London and County Bank to be cleared, and they sent it to us—it has been paid on Mr. Tandy's account.

MR. BODKIN submitted that there was no cane to go to the Jury, an the prisoner was charged under the third (the Bailee) section of the Larceny Act (24 and 25 Vict. c. 96) not with larceny of the sum. of 150l., but with the larceny of the cheque, and the prosecutor had shown that he would have been willing to take the sum of 150l. in lieu of the cheque.

MR. GEOGHEGAN contended that under the indictment for simple larceny the prisoner could be convicted either of simple larceny or of larceny as a bailee and that as to simple larceny it was for the Jury to determine whether at the time the prisoner received the cheque he did not determine to convert it to his own use, and was guilty of larceny by a trick.

The COMMON SERJEANT ruled that the case should go to the Jury as one of larceny by a trick.

GUILTY .—He then

PLEADED GUILTY to a previous conviction in August, 1881.— Two Years' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1057
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1057. FREDERICK STENLAKE , Forging and uttering a receipt for 45l., with intent to defraud.

MR. PURCELL Prosecuted; MR. TAYLOR Defended.

HENRY MARSHALL (Detective Inspector Metropolitan Police attached to King Street Station). The prisoner was a sergeant of the A Division, and he would have been twelve years in the service next December—at King Street Station a canteen is kept up for the use of officers at the station, and it is managed by a committee—the prisoner was appointed treasurer, I have ascertained—I was not myself a member of the canteen, although attached to King Street Station—I knew the prisoner was acting as treasurer—on 10th September the prisoner was suspended and I was directed to make inquiries by Chief Superintendent Dunlop, and on 14th September I had the prisoner at my office with Inspector Peters and Mr. Bloxam, the traveller for Showell and Sons, brewers—I said to the prisoner "Produce the book you now have; I have made inquiry into the matter by order of the chief superintendent, and Mr. Bloxam here" (who was in the room) "says that this receipt purporting to be for 45l. is not authentic, but is a forgery; he says that he gave you a receipt for 29l. 16s.; have you any explanation to offer?"—he said "No, I have nothing to say"—I left him there with Mr. Peters and reported the matter to the chief superintendent.

Cross-examined. There is a canteen attached to several of the divisions of the police; they are recognised by the Commissioners.

Re-examined. When I searched the prisoner I found on him a bill from Showell and Sons for 14l., which is the debt now owing to them, 9th September, the day after the forgery.

By MR. TAYLOR. I know nothing about the canteen except from hearsay.

STEPHEN BLOXAM . I am traveller to Walter Showell and Sons, brewers, of Oldham, Birmingham, who have been in the habit of supplying this canteen—I have collected accounts for them—on 8th September the prisoner paid me 26l. 10s.; I added 3l. 6s. on and gave him a receipt for 29l. 16s.—this is the counterfoil of the receipt—he was entitled to that discount—this receipt I gave him for 29l. 16s. now purports to be for 45l.—it was taken out of this book, and was in pencil—I entered on the counterfoil in the book 29l. 16s.

Cross-examined. I had known the prisoner about a year and a half—during that time I had seen no one else at the canteen—I gave him this receipt in his own house—he asked me to give him a receipt for 45l.; nearly 45l. was due to us at the time—29l. 16s. was all the money he had to pay me; he told me he was obliged to show that he had paid the money that night—I know he had been away to get married—he said he had to pass his accounts, and he was short, and he had to put his accounts in order—once before he had had a transaction of the kind with me—I cannot say when—on that occasion, at his request, I gave him a receipt for 15l. when he paid me 9l. to make his books look better, and to enable him to pass his accounts—I then paid my cashier the full amount of the 15l., and I got into trouble afterwards for doing so—the prisoner promised to pay the rest shortly, and he had been a good customer—eventually I received the balance from the prisoner—our cashier looked over it—I made it right on purpose to make the prisoner's book look right, and that he should not lose his position—during the 12 or 18 months I had known him I had been on very friendly terms with, him—when my father died some months ago the prisoner lent me 4l.—I have not paid it all back yet; I shall be very happy to do so—he asked me to give him a receipt for

45l. as a friendly act, to pass his accounts, and he said he would get a bill of sale on his furniture, and pay me on Monday, but I refused to do it because I got into a row for doing it before—I said at the police-court I noticed he did something with the receipt in my presence after I gave it to him—next day I paid in the 29l. 16s. to the Stores—Probyn is our London manager—I told Probyn I thought the prisoner had tilled up the receipt in ink in my presence—the prisoner tried to persuade me for two hours to do it myself, and I would not, and I told Probyn what I thought had been done.

By the COURT. I told Probyn that I thought the prisoner had filled it up for 45l.—Probyn knew of the former affair.

Re-examined. Next day, I think, 9th September, I sent an account for the balance of the 45l. to the prisoner—I did not consent to give him a receipt for 45l.—I would willingly have lent him the money if I had had it—he said he was just married, and he should be thrown out of the police if he did not show his book paid that night—he said he had got to account that night for the moneys he had received, and that; he was 14l. short, and to conceal that he asked me to cook the receipt for him.

JOSEPH PETERS (Police Inspector A). I am attached to the King Street station—there is a canteen there for the men at that station—the prisoner was treasurer—he received no pay for it—an attendant named Haynes served the men and received money from them; it was his duty to hand over to the prisoner the same day the takings of the day, and the prisoner would enter into the takings book each day the money he received from Haynes—Haynes signed each item and the prisoner initialled it—the books would be audited monthly—from 2nd August to 7th September there are entries of sums in the prisoner's handwriting acknowledged to have been received by him—the total between those dates is 46l. 3s. 1d.—on 7th September he was requested to make up his accounts for the August audit—he did not do so—he said he could not get the books in from the tradesmen—next day I asked him about it again; he said he could not make up his accounts; he could not give any reason why—I said "Well I must take you now before Chief Superintendent Dunlop"—he said he was 20l. or more short in his accounts—he was given another day to get the books ready and give in his accounts—on the evening of the 10th he was suspended as he could not make up the money nor account for what he had received, and I was then directed to go with the prisoner to Messrs. Showell's brewery on the 12th—we arranged to meet on the Monday morning at King Street station—we did so—the prisoner said "Before I go to the brewery I wish to make a statement"—I took him back to the Superintendent's office; this small book was lying there; the prisoner pointed to it and said "The receipt for 45l. is incorrect, I have only paid 29l. 16s., but Mr. Bloxam the traveller gave me a receipt in full, in consideration of my difficulties"—on that day I went to the brewery, and afterwards saw Mr. Bloxam in the prisoner's presence at King Street station—Mr. Bloxam said "I only gave a receipt for 29l. 16s."—he paid the 45l. was not his figures nor was it his hand writing he knew nothing about the 45l.—Mr. Marshall read over what it was and asked if the prisoner had any explanation to offer—he said "No"—these entries in the canteen cash book are in the prisoner's handwriting—it would be his duty to total in that the receipts taken from the daily cash bock—I find there the entry of 47l., particulars of which are in the daily

cash book—46l. 3s. 1d. are the daily takings from 2nd August to 7th September—the prisoner kept that book—I find that total entered in the cash book in the prisoner's writing—on the other page I find the amount he paid out 47l. 14s. 4d.—46l. 3s. 1d. is in the prisoner's writing.

Cross-examined. The prisoner locked up the books when he went away, and entered them up afterwards when he came back—it is the prisoner's writing in both these books—the prisoner had no salary for the canteen—he was not paid by commission that I know of—he ordered all goods and paid all moneys—there was not to my knowledge any arrangement that he was entitled to be paid 12 percent.—the single men appointed him with the approval of the chief-superintendent—if he took commission from tradesmen he should show every item—he was struck off part of his ordinary duty for taking the canteen—I understood he could not take commission—he should show it if he did, and it would go to the credit of the canteen—on 7th September he had just returned from his wedding trip: he had been away 14 or 15 days—Haynes and Gray conducted the canteen during that time and took the takings—I have not had much experience in the conduct of the canteen—this is the first case I have known of canteen accounts getting muddled and mixed—I have heard of treasurers being taken before commissioners—I have audited the prisoner's books monthly up to the time of his leaving in August, and I have found nothing irregular—when he asked on 7th September for more time to make up his accounts he gave as a reason that he had been absent, and could nut get the books in—he did not present this receipt to any member of the canteen to obtain money on; he showed it to me as haying been paid, for the purpose of balancing his books—the receipt was not shown to me for the purpose of asking me to pay money to him—the prisoner was not personally liable to the tradesmen—I said at the police-court "You are responsible that the money is paid, and your comrades will have to pay it again"—he canteen would take him about four hours a day from his duties; we did not trouble him if we could do without him.

THOMAS HAYNES (Policeman A 306). I was the attendant who looked after the canteen and served the men—I took money from them and paid it to the prisoner the same day—he would enter in his takings book the same day, the day of the month and the sum I gave him; I put my signature in the same line and the prisoner would initial it—on 19th August I paid him 4l. 8s. 6d., that was the amount of receipts for the three days, 17th, 18th, and 19th—he has entered 17th 1l. 3s., 18th 1l. 3s., and 19th 1l. 2s. 7d., that comes to 3l. 8s. 7d.—my signature does not appear for those three days, because when I came to sign the prisoner said the book was not ready—he had not entered it.

Cross-examined. I commenced my duties at the canteen on 5th July and ceased on 9th September—I was in attendance during the prisoner's absence—I accounted to Sergeant Harris then, he is here—the prisoner left on 24th. August for his wedding tour I think—the books could not be found when he was away; they were in his possession—the books was made up when he came back—Sergeant Harris took the money and handed it to the prisoner when he came back—I made a note of 4l. 8s. 6d. at the time on the 19th—I made a note of the amounts received during his absence because I did not sign the book at the time—I have kept this piece of paper in my pocket ever since—these

other entries are what I handed to the other sergeant—the prisoner gave me no receipt for 4l. 8s. 6d.—I entered it in the daily takings book.

JOHN GRAVES (Policeman 716 A). I am attached to King Street station—on the 26th August I handed the prisoner the takings, amounting to 5l. 10s.—I could not say how many days' takings that was—I commenced duty on Monday, 15th August, but money had been taken out between the time I went in and the 23rd—I cannot say what days the 5l. 10s. relates to—I did not see what the prisoner entered in the book.

----HARRIS (Police-Sergeant A 88). From 24th August to 5th September while the prisoner was away, I took charge of the canteen—on 8th September I handed to him the takings, amounting to 26l. 8s. 3d., representing all the takings from 24th August to 7th September inclusive—he gave me a receipt for that amount—I did not see the takings book, the prisoner locked it up—he has entered up for those days 19l. 14s. 9d. instead of 26l.—he must broken up the total I gave him into those daily items.


OLD COURT.—Monday, October 31st, and Tuesday, November 1st, 1887.

Before Mr. Justice Stephen.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1058
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1058. BOWEN ENDACOTT (A police constable) was indicted for wilful and corrupt perjury committed by him before Robert Milne Newton, Esq., on 29th June last.


WALTER CROW . I am second clerk at Great Marlborough Street Police-court—on 29th June last I was present when Miss Cass was charged before the presiding Magistrate, Mr. Newton, and I took down in a book called the "Notes of Evidence" the evidence given on oath by Police-constable Endacott; I have no doubt he was sworn, but I cannot say I actually saw it because some one was asking me a question at the time—this note is abbreviated. Read: "Bowen Endacott, 42 DR.—At 9.30 last night in Regent Street prisoner (meaning Miss Cass) and another got hold of a gent who got away; prisoner caught hold of two more gents; one said in her hearing It's very hard I should be stopped; it's the third time I have been stopped in this street.' Have seen her there three times in the last six weeks; from her manner I believe her to be a prostitute; the other woman was with her."

Cross-examined. I have been over four years at Marlborough Street—I was not actually aware that Endacott had been put on special patrol duty, but I concluded he was—in that part of London there are more charges with regard to annoyances in the street from women, than any other part of London—I have known as many as 20 or 30 in a day, in a great many Endacott has given evidence, and as far as I know his truthfulness was never challenged up to this time—the Guildhall illuminations were a week before this—it is usual for a Magistrate to discharge a woman upon being first charged, unless it is a specially bad case—this was quite an ordinary case—I understood the statement "Have seen her there three times in the last six weeks" to include the night

before—it is usual for the accused person to be asked "Do you wish to ask any question," and I have no doubt it was asked on this occasion—from first to last no question was put by Miss Cass upon the evidence of Endacott—there was never any statement made by Eadacott that there was any annoyance or soliciting except in Regent Street.

Re-examined. I have given the whole of the statement which Endacott made, and in the words in which he made it—Endacott would sometimes give evidence in two or three cases of this kind of a morning, and sometimes there would not be any—I have known him ever since I have been at the Court, bringing such charges as these, that is four years—I presumed he was on special duty, from the frequency of these charges being brought by him; sometimes we might not have such a charge for days, and then sometimes he would have two or three in a morning—it is usual when a defendant has been discharged to fill up the charge sheet in this way; the letters "dis" put on here are in the writing of the assistant-gaoler; I also put the word "dis" in the margin of my note.

By a Juror. When there were 20 or 30 of these prostitutes brought in in a day they would not all be brought in by special constables; some would be brought in by ordinary constables.

MARSHALL INMAN . I am an architect and surveyor of I, Bedford Row—I caused a plan to be prepared of Regent Circus and the adjacent streets, which I produce—it is correct.

ELIZABETH CASS . My name is now Elizabeth Langley—I have been married since the commencement of these proceedings—my maiden name was Cass—I am 24 years of age—until the 27th of April last I had spent my life mostly at Stockton-on-Tees—my occupation was that of a dressmaker, and I resided with my father and mother—before April 27th I had never been to London—on that day I came to London, and went to stay with Mrs. Tompkins, at Manor Park, Forest Gate—she was a friend of mine, and the wife of a person in whose employment I had been at Stockton—while I was at Mrs. Tompkins's I did work for her, and on two or three occasions I visited her mother-in-law at Romford—I was employed to do work for her—when I went there some one accompanied me to the station, and met me coming back, and on each occasion I went straight there and back—while residing with Mrs. Tompkins I also went twice to Mrs. Robertson's at Trinity Square, Borough, and stayed there on two occasions, once three days, and once five or six days—I was employed there dressmaking for Mrs. Robertson—I used to work till about 9 o'clock in the evening—while I was staying with Mrs. Tompkins I came to town with her on two occasions to look for a situation—on one occasion I went to the City with her, to the wholesale houses, and on one occasion to the West End—I could not tell you at all the date of that, but we were in Regent Street at about 3 o'clock in the afternoon—I had never been in Regent Street before 28th June, except on that occasion—we walked in Regent Street, but I don't remember whether we walked up Oxford Street or away from Oxford Street—I don't remember what part of Regent Street we were in on that occasion—about the end of May I saw an advertisement of Madame Bowman's; it was on Whit Tuesday, May 31st—that was while I was staying at Mrs. Robertson's—I then went to Southampton Bow by Mrs. Robertson's leave to answer that advertisement, and I arranged to go to Madame Bowman's, and on June 7th I went to Madame Bowman's and coinmenced

my duties as forewoman there—I lived in the house and occupied the same room and the same bed as Jane Scott—our time for leaving off work in the evening was 8 o'clock, and we all had supper together between 8.30 and 9 o'clock—Mr. Bowman lived in the house, and Mr. and Mrs. Banks, relatives of theirs, were staying there—on two occassions, between the 7th and 28th of June, I spent from Saturday till Monday with Mrs. Tompkins at Forest Gate, leaving off work at 4 o'clock on the Saturday afternoon, and returning to work at 9 o'clock on the Monday morning, having left Mrs. Tompkins at a quarter to 8—once or twice I went, to the post, which is at the bottom of the street, but came back immediately—on the Sunday before the Jubilee I went to the City with Jane Scott after church in the evening, but we came back to supper—with those exceptions I had not been out at all during the time I was with Madame Bowman—on the evening of 28th June I left off work as usual about 8 o'clock, and I asked Madame Bowman's leave to go out, and, getting it, I went out between 8.30 and a quarter to 9—I was then dressed as I am now, and I was alone—on leaving the house I turned to the left, and went through Bloomsbury Square and past the British Museum into Tottenham Court Road and then I turned to the right and went as far as Baker's, which is a large shop, and then I turned round and came down Tottenham Court Road again—I knew at that time that it was Tottenham Court Road—when I got to the bottom of Tottenham Court Road, I noticed a jeweller's shop which was built out from the other shops—I then turned to the right and knew I was in Oxford Street—I then went along as far as Peter Robinson's, keeping the same side all the way—at Regent Circus I turned to the right and went as far as the church (All Souls', Langham Place)—I did not know the name of the church, but there were steps all round it—I then turned and came back to Regent Circus, and then turned to the left along the same side of Oxford Street I had been before—during all that time I had been alone—I had spoken to no one, and no one had spoken to me—after I turned to the left in Oxford Street there was a little crowd at the corner, and when I had got through it, Endacott came up, took hold of my arm, and said, "I want you"—I said "What for?"—he replied "I have been watching you for some time"—I said "You have made a mistake"—he said "Oh no, I have not," and said "Who is that girl you were with?"—I said "I was not with any girl" he said "Oh yes you were, but she has slipped behind somewhere"—I replied "You have made a mistake, I was not with any girl" he said "Yes you were; don't tell lies; I wish I could have put my hand on her, as she is worse than you"—I said "You have made a mistake"—he replied "Oh no I haven't"—I then, asked where he was taking me to—he said to Tottenham Court Road Police-station—I asked him to go to Madame Bowman's with me, and he said he could not—by that time we had got out of Oxford Street and turned into Great Portland Street—it was before Madame Bowman's name was mentioned that something was said about three weeks—he said "I have known you some time"—I replied "You could not have done; I have only been in London six weeks"—I then asked him not to take hold of ray arm—he replied that he must or else I should tell them at the police-station that he let me walk quietly—he then asked whether Madame Bowman would bail me out—I said "Bail me out?" and he did not answer—I knew what bail meant, but I did not know that I should need it—no gentleman ever said in my hearing that he had been stopped several times—at no

time during that evening had I accosted or spoken to any gentleman—when I arrived at the police-station Endacott spoke to another policeman, whose name I did not know, but I did not hear what he said—before the charge was taken Endacott said to me "You don't know me, do you?"—I said "No"—he said "Oh, but I know you, and have done so for some time"—at that time he was near me and looking at me, and the place was light—Endacott said he had known me for some time, about six weeks—I said he could not have done, as I had only lived in London three weeks—he said "You said six weeks just now"—I replied "I have been in London three weeks, but I have been staying at Manor Park"—I next remember feeling giddy and I fell, and someone brought me some water, and a chair was also brought fur me—another policeman said to me" Don't put yourself about, it will be all right"—I did not say any more to Endacott then, or he to me, before Sergeant Coomber came in—when Sergeant Coomber came in Endacott spoke to him, but I did not hear what was said—Sergeant Coomber took down what he said—Sergeant Coomber then asked me my name, and I said "Elizabeth Cass"—he then asked whether I could read and write, and I said I could—a policeman standing by me then led me into a cell, and Sergeant Coomber followed behind, and I asked him if he would send for Madame Bowman, and he laid he would—the policeman Endacott had spoken to had asked me where I lived, and I had given him my address before Sergeant Coomber came in—I was then locked in the cell, and remained there for about an hour, and Madame Bowman then came—I did not see Endacott when I came out of the cell—Madame Bowman bailed me out, and next morning I went with her to the police-court, and Endacott was there called as a witness against me and was sworn, and then Madame Bowman made a statement and I was allowed to leave.

Cross-examined. I arrived at King's Cross Station about 8 p.m. on Wednesday, 27th April—Mrs. Tompkins met me there, and we went straight to her residence at Manor Park—I went to Mrs. Robertson, at Trinity Square, twice in May, the first time staying three days—it was about a fortnight after I came from King's Cross that I first went from Manor Park to Mrs. Robertson; that would be about the 10th May—it was either Monday or Tuesday I went there, and I stayed until Friday—it was said that, although I might do work for Mrs. Robertson, it would also be nearer for me to look out for a situation—Mrs. Robertson keeps a lodging-house—I did her private work for her—I did not go outside the door the first three days I was there—when I went there I took an omnibus from Liverpool Street to Southwark, and I took an omnibus back—it was nearly a fortnight before I went to Mrs. Robertson again—I went back to her on the Saturday before Whit Sunday, and I again took an omnibus from Liverpool Street, and I went back from Mrs. Robertson's in an omnibus—I then stayed until the following Saturday—the week after the 28th May I stayed at Forest Gate; I first went to Mrs. Robertson's about 10th May, and came back on the 13th, the Friday—I then went back to Mrs. Tompkins, at Manor Park, and on the following Tuesday I went to Mrs. Tompkins, at Averley Hall, and stayed with her two days, and then went back on the Friday to Mrs. Tompkins, at Manor Park, and stayed with her till Tuesday, the 24th, and then on the 24th I went to Mrs. Robertson's—I went back from Mrs. Robertson's to Manor Park on Friday, 13th May, and then on Tuesday the 17th I went from Manor Park to Romford,

and then came back from Romford to Manor Park on Thursday, 19th, and on the Saturday I went to Romford again, and stayed three days, and then came buck to Manor Park; but I don't remember what date it was—I only stayed one day, and on the Saturday I went to Trinity Square—that was the Saturday before Whitsuntide—I stayed there till the following Saturday—on Whit Tuesday, shortly after dinner. I took an omnibus to the Bank, and then walked from there to Southampton Row, arriving there between 4 and 5 p.m.—I remained there perhaps half an hour, and then I walked back to Trinity Square—I did not go back to the Bank; I went over Westminster Bridge, and got back to Mrs. Robertson's between 8 and 9 p.m.—I only went into one shop to buy some ribbon, but that did not take me long—that was the only time, during the six days' visit to Mrs. Robertson, that I went out—I was also out one night for about 10 minutes, and that is all the time I have spent in the streets of London—the day when I walked from Trinity Square, and over Westminster Bridge, is a different occasion to when I came to town with Mrs. Tompkins and was in Regent Street about 3 o'clock—I know a young man named Arthur Settle; he is an assistant at Shoolbred's; that is where I went to buy the ribbon—I was being served by another young man, and I asked for Mr. Settle—that was after 5 in the afternoon; it was not as early as 4 o'clock—I went to Shoolbred's after I had been to Southampton Row; I am quite sure of that—Mr. Settle was called to speak to me, at my request, and I told him I was at Trinity Square for a few days—I did not say I was lodging at Mrs. Robertson's, and could get about—I told him I was at Mrs. Robertson's, and I was going about to see if I could get a situation—he told me that he could not leave business till 7.30, and I told him I would come back at that time—there was no one else in the shop near enough to hear what we said—this was as I was leaving, after I had been served with the ribbon—Settle was going to walk back with me to Trinity Square; that was the arrangement—I went back punctually at 7.30, and it was nearly 8 o'clock before he appeared—I waited in the street for him, and walked up and down Tottenham Court Road—I was not waiting in Tottenham Court Road all the time from half-past 7 till 8; I went in a street by the side of Tottenham Court Road—I did not go into any house—from the time I made the appointment till after 8 I was looking about in shops, but I did not enter any shops—I did not go out of Tottenham Court Road—I did not go into Oxford Street and look at the bonnet shops—the walk with Mrs. Tompkins in Regent Street was before I had been to Romford, and before I had been to Mrs. Robertson's—it was not quite 8 when Mr. Settle came out—I then walked with him. over Westminster Bridge to Mrs. Robertson's house in Trinity Square, and we arrived there about 9—I don't remember if it was half-past 9; I don't think it had gone 9—I don't recollect the streets we went through from Tottenham Court Road to Westminster Bridge—with the exception of the evening I went out for about 10 minutes, that is the only time I went out whilst on my second visit to Mrs. Robertson—it was after Mr. Settle had seen me home that I went out for 10 minutes—I could not say how many nights I slept at Romford during the whole three visits; about seven—I did not go to Trinity Square a second time after I had been to Mrs. Tompkins at Romford—once I walked from Romford Station to Mrs. Tompkins, and once I walked back—I don't know how many minutes it takes to travel

from Liverpool Street to Manor Park—I entered Mrs. Bowman's situation on 7th June—I have said that I went down to Manor Park, from my situation, on three Sundays, but I know I was one Sunday at Mrs. Bowman's; I don't remember which—on that Sunday I went to church in the morning, and went for a walk to the City in the evening with Miss Scott, and Mrs. Tennell, Mrs. Bowman's sister—the ware-houses were all closed then—we went to look round—I went to the wholesale houses with Mrs. Tompkins; I came up from Manor Park on purpose—that was not the same day that I walked up and down Regent Street, another day; it was before I went to Mrs. Robertson's at all—I can't tell what time I got to London—we returned to Manor Park in the afternoon; I know it was after dinner—I had been out to see the illuminations the week before the 28th June; it was Jubilee night, there were no conveyances in the streets, we walked—I don't remember where we went to—I do not know the extent of Regent Street—I don't know the part where you can see the Duke of York's Column—I don't remember noticing the illumination at Scott Adie's—I can't say I did not; I don't remember—I can't remember any special illumination—I can't say how many hours we were walking to see the illuminations; we went out about 9 and got home about 11; Mrs. Bowman and her sister, Mrs. Tennell, and Miss Scott were with me—I heard that there would be illuminations on the night of the 28th; I don't suppose they were going on for a week—I did not tell Mrs. Bowman on 28th June that I was going to meet a young man at Shoolbreds; I did not tell her what I was going out for—I went out to get a pair of gloves and see the illuminations, but I did not tell Mrs. Bowman so; I did not tell her why I wanted to go out—it was between half-past eight and a quarter to nine when I went out; I found the street lamps alight—I don't remember that though—I did not think of there being shops in Holborn where I could buy gloves—Schoolbred's was shut up when I got there, and I passed on—I made no inquiry there of any one whether Mr. Settle had gone out—I passed on to Chas. Baker's, at the corner of Euston Road, and then turned back and walked through Tottenham Court Road—most of the shops were closed—I did not see any drapers' shops open; I gave up the buying gloves after I left Tottenham Court Road—I had not given up seeing the illuminations; that was what I went up Oxford Street for—I did not notice that all the omnibuses and foot passengers were going to the City—I walked slowly down till I turned to the right—tha pavements were not crowded—I saw Jay's—I did not know that I was passing Peter Robinson's—I did not notice the police directing the omnibuses, or people scrambling for places to go to the City—I had just got round the corner in front of Peter Robinson's door, when Endacott said he wanted me; it was in Oxford Street, the door facing Oxford Street—that was the first place he spoke to me, and I was there taken into custody—there was a little crowd at the corner—I had just got through the crowd—I did not observe any policeman standing near me—I was just emerging from the crowd when Endacott stopped me, close to the crowd; about a yard—the conversation at the station about the mistake was before Coomber came in—I did not hear Coomber say to Endacott "What is this?"—I did not hear any words he said—the water was brought before he came in—I did not refuse to take the water; I took it out of the man's hand—I did not say "If I want water I can ask for it,"

or anything like it—I gave Coomber my name—I did not spell it—I gave my Christian name as well as my surname—he did not ask whether I was single or married—I did not give my address—I did not hear him say "You hear what the constable says; what have you to say?"—while he was taking the charge I did not say there was any mistake—he did not ask what I did for a living, or "What is your occupation?"—I did not say to any one before Coomber came in "He has made a mistake this time, I have only been up that way once or twice"—I did Dot use those words at all, nor anything like it—when the gaoler was at the cell door I asked him not to put me in there—I did not add "Can't I have bail?"—Coomber did not say "Yes, if you give me the name of any one;" nor did I then say "Mrs. Bowman, 19, Southampton Row, where I live"—that did not occur—I told the policeman where I lived—I did not say anything about having bail nor did he—when Endacott said he had seen me there several times before, I said "It can't be so, for I have only been in London six weeks"—I did not say at first three weeks; I said six weeks first. (MR. BESLEY referred to a previous statement of the witness, in which the was reported to have said, "I have only been in London three weeks") Yes, that is so; I made a mistake just now—I mentioned about Manor Park, before Coomber came in, to a policeman that Endacott spoke to—the first time I made a statement in public was on 12th July, at Scotland Yard—I don't remember whether I had employed a solicitor before that—I don't remember how many days before 12th July Mr. Bartram, the solicitor, was brought to me—Mr. Atherley Jones saw me on the Friday or Saturday after—I did not know him before—as far as I remember it was the beginning of the next week after Mr. Atherley Jones saw me that I saw Mr. Bartram—I did not see Mr. Bartram, or my counsel, almost every day before going to Scotland Yard—I could not say how many times I saw Mr. Bartram, once or twice—I don't remember seeing him and the Counsel at all before the 12th July—I gave an account of this matter at Scotland Yard on 21st, 22nd, and 25th July—I did not say anything on those occasions about my visits to Trinity Square; it was after Mr. Wontner asked me about Mr. Settle that I mentioned it—I have never until to-day mentioned in public about Mr. Settle walking with me to Trinity Square—I know Jane Elizabeth Whitehead; she is living at Stockton—she was in a situation there with me—I have known her perhaps 6 or 7 years—I was on perfectly good terms, and intimate, with her up to the time of leaving Stockton—I saw her on Monday, 25th April, two days before I left—she did not say she would come to the train and see me off next morning—I did not say "No, you cannot do it, Mr. Bryan will take me to the train"—she did not ask to go with me—I don't remember saying I was going on the Tuesday; I should hardly tell her that, when I was going on the Wednesday—I know Bridget Costello; I have known her about five years—she was a barmaid at two public-houses—I was on perfectly good terms with her—I saw her on Wednesday morning at the house where she lives—I am quite sure I was at Stockton on the Wednesday morning—I left by train on Wednesday morning; somewhere about ten or half-past ten I think it would be—we went through York—I left the train at York—I could not say how long I remained at York; perhaps about an hour and a half—a friend was with me, a male, Mr. Bryan—he had not come with me from Stockton; he met me at Eagleship; that is not far from

Stockton—it is a junction, two or three miles out of Durham—Mr. Bryant lived at Mandale Road, South Stockton, about a mile from Mr. Tompkins's shop—he joined my train about five miles from Stockton—we got to York about one o'clock in the day and, had lunch together at a shop, not at an hotel, nor at the station—we remained there about twenty minutes—he had no portmanteau with him nor do I remember him leaving one at the cloak room—after that we went back to the station—he did not travel with me, I parted with him at York station—I left there for London about three o'clock—I mean to say that I came to London on the same day that I took lunch in the house at York—I knew that Bryan was a married man, I had known him nearly a year—this was not an accidental meeting, I made the appointment with him, verbally, on I think the Monday, I believe it was after I parted with Frances Bridget Costello and Whitehead, it was some time in the evening and in the street; it might have been in our street, I don't remember—I told him the train I was going by from North Stockton station—he did not arrange to go in another carriage and join me at the junction station—he did not say that he would go, only that he might go—he never agreed to meet me at North Stockton station, but I looked out for him there and again at the junction—my father and brother saw me take my ticket and start—they did not see Bryan—this took place on the 22nd; I won't be sure whether it was Tuesday or Wednesday, but it was the same day as I got to London; I won't say that it was not Tuesday—I did not tell my friend Whitehead that Bryan had given me a satchel and gloves and was going to meet me on my departure; nothing of the kind—I had seen Bryan twice a week for some weeks before, say from Christmas—he never gave me a satchel; he has given me one pair of gloves and a glove box, I don't remember anything else, but there may have been—he gave me a ring—there was a stone in it—it was a diamond—he gave me that just before I came away—I have not got it now—I never visited his wife—he did not tell me that he had been forbidden his own brother's house on account of his acquaintance with me, and that his brother's wife had paid that he should not come there while he knew me—I know that Mrs. Bryan left the day before. Christmas Day and was in London, she was absent for a few days—I do not know that at that time a female servant was left in the house with Mr. Bryan—he told me that he won a goose at a raffle—he did not tell me he had given the girl leave to go out on Christmas Day and ask me to come and cook the goose; nor did I do so—I did not go to Bryan's house on Christmas Day, or spend any part of the day with him—I did not see him on Christmas Day, but I saw him the next day, Sunday—I did not cook the goose on the Sunday, I was not in the house at all, but I met him on the ice at Norton, about a mile from Stockton, and was with him about two hours—I was not with him in any house that day, nor on Christmas Day, the day before—on Good Friday, 8th of April this year, I went out for a drive with him—I joined his dog cart just before twelve o'clock at Norton, which is one or two miles from Stockton, a little farther than the place where I skated on the ice—we went to Castle Eden, fourteen miles, or not so much, from Stockton—no one else was with us—I sat on the driving sea and drove for a portion of the journey—we did not go straight to Castle Eden—we drove to a place called Hart—we did not have lunch there—before we got to Castle Eden while I was holding the reins

a person whose name I do not know acknowledged Mr. Bryan—I should know him again—I have not seen him since—at Castle Eden we put up at the hotel; the horse was put in the stable, and Mr. Bryan and I went to a private room—I knew perfectly well that Mrs. Bryan was away with her children, but I did not know where she was—we remained in the private room about an hour—I do not remember what refreshment we had; we then went out for a walk, and returned to the hotel, and the horse was put to—I do not remember Mr. Bryan lifting me into the dog cart, he may have helped me, and also on our arrival—I did not jump into his arms on arrival—we left Castle Eden about 9.30; it was not dark; it took us quite an hour and a half to drive the 14 miles—we did not meet any of his friends on the road coming back after dark—he did not take me to my door, he put me down at the bottom of the street, a good distance from the livery stable where he hired the trap, but not a mile—I did not go in at our back entrance; I was living in Cardigan Street; and he put me down where two roads join; I walked up Cardigan Street to my house, and he drove to the livery stables—I do not remember seeing him on the Saturday, nor was an appointment made for a drive on Easter Sunday if it was fine, but before I parted with him on Good Friday we made an appointment for Easter Monday at 2 o'clock, which he kept—he was walking, and he went and got a trap while I waited on the road—he overtook me with the trap, not the same trap, and we went to Castle Eden again; no one else was with us—I took the reins again and sat on the driving seat, and he by my side—I think I drove all the way, but not back—we did not again see the person who had acknowledged Mr. Bryan before—I do not know a person named Taylor—we went the same road to Castle Eden, and got there about 5.30 or 6 o'clock—we went to the same hotel—he helped me out the same as before—we had a private room; we went for a walk, and wont back to tea—it was not dark when the trap was brought round; we left about 7; it took us an hour and a half or three quarter to drive back to Stockton, and we got back about 9 or half past—I did not have the reins going back—he put me down at the same place, and went on to the livery stable—I have driven Mr. Bryan to Seaton Carew, which is from 7 to 11 miles from Stockton; it is not more than 12 miles—that was before we went to Castle Eden—we went twice to Seaton Carew—it was a two-wheeled trap and a single horse, and no one else with us—we put up at the same hotel at Seaton Carew both times, and had a private room—we were not alone there each time for three hours, only about an hour and a half—we had a walk there for about three-quarters of an hour, but we were only in Seaton between an hour and a half and two hours—I do not know Wellington Road—he drove me, twice to Seaton, and we went there once by train from North Stockton—we walked to the hotel—that was by previous appointment verbally—I did not know that his wife and family were at Redcar, but I knew she was away—I never knew that on a Sunday he was coming from the place where his wife and family were, to meet me at Stockton—I do not remember his coming to Stockton while his wife and family were away—I have never been inaide his house—I have often walked with him in the lanes near Stockton between 8 and 9 o'clock in the winter months when it was dark—I know Mr. Bevan, of the Albert beer shop, the last person with whom Bridget Costello was barmaid—before she went there she was not employed at the Westbourne Hotel, she was at the Garrick Hotel, Yarn Lane, Stockton—I

remember one evening being seen by Mr. Bevan on the railway station platform at Darlington as late as 11 o'clock—a male friend was with me, Mr. Turner—he was not kissing me; I had been at Darlington that day to fit some work which I had done for Mary Costello, the sister of Bridget—I was not there all day; I left the house about 9 to go by the 9.30 train, and Mary went with me—I did not say to heron seeing a young man standing at an hotel door, "See how I will take him on"—I did not make any laugh or signal—a strange person did not speak to me in Mary Costello's presence and say "Good evening"—she wished me good night and went home, and I went to the station with the young man—I do not think it was as late as 11.30 when I went back—I am speaking of the time when Mr. Bevan saw me on the platform—I had met Turner before in Stockton, and I stayed with him till Mr. Bevan saw us—I missed the 9.20 train, I had not time to catch if, when I left Mary Costello; I did not leave her within three minutes' walk of the train, it was more than that—I did not purposely miss the train—Turner was with me; I had met him at Stockton in the afternoon; I had met him twice before, I will not swear to three times—the gentleman I speak of as a commercial traveller was not standing at the hotel door just before Mary Costello left me—he said "Good evening"—Mary Costello remained a minute or two, and then left Turner to see me to the railway station—he did not go back with me to Stockton, he left me on the platform—I saw Mr. Bevan there, but I did not know him—I did not go back to Mr. Tomkinson's house that night; I went to Cardigan Street, where I was living—Bryan has sent me letters—I do not know who brought them—there were a good many of them—they did not come by post; a boy brought me perhaps three; Bryan has passed Tomkinson's shop, and made a signal to me, but I could not go out till after business hours—his walking past the shop did not mean for me to meet him after closing hours—I generally did meet him on the days on which he had passed, but not always—he was carrying on business in Stockton at that time—I did not know him before he was married—I have known him nearly a year—he is no relation or connection of mine; his age is about 30—I do not say that I was not out with him before Christmas, more frequently since, but not a good many times—I do not remember how many drives there were before Christmas—there might have been sir and there might have been a dozen walks—no one remonstrated with me for my acquaintance with a married man, nor did I say that I did not care, I would have him—I said that I had broken it off with Langley, my present husband.

By the COURT. Bridget Costello remonstrated with me about my acquaintance with Bryan, but it was not in answer to that that I said I had broken off with Langley; I told her, but not at that time—I do not remember what I said in answer to her remonstrance.

By MR. BESLEY. I broke it off with Langley about a fortnight before I came to London—he was working at Burton—we were married about 17th August, on a Friday, and he went to Burton on Sunday night and I remained in London, and have not seen him since till last Saturday; since then I have been living with him—I wrote to him—I was born at Grantham—there is a family of Cass's at Stockton with two daughters; they are no relations of mine, and I never spoke to them in my life—I do not know George Simmonds, a watch and musical instrument dealer, who was formerly at 14 and 15 Bridge Street, South Stockton (George Simmonds

was called into Court)—I have seen that man before; Bridget Costello introduced him to me when she was barmaid at the Royal at Middlesborough—she called there to pay for a watch, which had been repaired or purchased, and introduced me to him as a friend of hers—I did not meet him two or three weeks afterwards, and again from time to time for eight weeks, nor did he then ask me one Sunday afternoon to go to his house—I do not remember having seeing him since I was introduced, and I have never spoken to him since—it was not arranged that he should go into his house first and leave the door ajar that I might follow without being seen—it is not true—I did not go into his house on a Sunday afternoon—I did not go to his shop on any evening of the week nor on several Sundays—I do not know of his leaving the shop the following spring—I do not remember in what year I was introduced to him—after I had made Simmonds' acquaintance he did not speak to me about my goings—on with Bryan; I have never spoken to him at all since I was introduced to him—I never left his house by the back door—I have known Bridget Costello as barmaid at three different public-houses, the Royal at Middlet-borough, the Garrick at Stockton, and the Alma—while my husband was away I lived at Mrs. Beaumont's and worked for her—it was after 28th June that I renewed my engagement with Langley—I was not writing to him all the time I was at Mrs. Bowman's, not between going then and the 28th—I knew he was coming to London to go to Scotland Yard, and on the 21st July I went there with him—we had made it up between 27th June and 28th July, after I saw Mr. Bartram.

Re-examined. Ever since I was 11 years old I have been living in the name of Cass—the father and mother of the other Miss Cass are living there as Mr. and Mrs. Cass—I came from Birmingham at 7 years old, went to Stockton, and went to the British school—I did not enter into any employment till I was about 14—I then went to Mrs. Charlton to be taught the business of dressmaking; I was with her 12 mouths—after that I was employed at Messrs. Carter's, one of the largest businesses in Stockton, first as an improver and afterwards as a dressmaker; I was there altogether about 3 years—I afterwards got a situation at Mrs. Robertson's, a dressmaker, at Middlesborough; I was there for 18 months—I do remember the date when I was with Mrs. Stanforth, but it was for about 9 months—I stayed in Mr. Tompkins' employ till he gave up business, and came up to London either in June or July, 1886—I was in his employ over 2 years—his successor in the business was a Mr. Davis—after being out of a situation 2 or 3 months I went to Mr. Davis and was employed by him in the same way, from September 1886 to 23rd April 1887, when I left his employment, and 4 days later I came to London—I gave these particulars to my solicitor when I first saw him, and information was given to Endacott's solicitor in order that inquiries might be made—I had never spoken to Simmonds till I was introduced to him by Bridget Costello; she was a machinist at Cardiff when I first met her—I have only been in a house with Simmonds the first time she took me to the shop—I do not remember where I first saw Mr. Turner, or which of the business houses I was in when I saw the Costellos—I know nothing of him and do not know where he lives—I have never walked out with him or been anywhere with him except on the occasion I went to the station with him—I was too late for the train and waited about outside the station till the next train started—nobody spoke to me

about it—I do not know Mr. Bevan—I was introduced to Mr. Bryan first by Bridget Costello; we were walking down the High Street and we meet him—I did not know him before and she did not know his name—she only knew him by his coming to the house—she introduced him to me as a friend—I did not know he was a married man till nearly 3 months afterwards, some time in the summer of 1886—Seaton Carew is a place to which excursions are made from Stockton—I don't remember noticing anyone as we went to Castle Eden on Good Friday or Easter Monday—the private room we had was rather large; I do not know that it is used as a sitting room—I was not in a bedroom with Bryan there or anywhere else—we had our meal in the private room, and the landlady brought it and attended upon us—there has never been any immoral relation of any kind between me and Mr. Bryan—I have acquainted my husband with these matters, and he has the ring now which Mr. Bryan gave me—on 28th June my husband was in a situation at Burton, and he is still there; he came up in July and returned, and I have continued in Madame's Bowman's employment—I went several times in August to attend the inquiry in this matter, and attended here last session—I did not start from Stockton one day and arrive in London the next; I got to London the same day as I left home—with the exception of the shop at York, where we went to get refreshment. I did not go into any place with Mr. Bryan that day—when I arrived at King's Cross, Mrs. Tompkins met me and took me to her house at Forest Gate—I do not keep a diary—when I went from Forest Gate to Romford on three occasions, I took the train from Manor Park to Romford each time; Mrs. Tompkins went to the station with me the first time and saw me off—I walked once to the hall, and on the other days the groom was mere with the trap—I went each time without stopping to meet anybody—I do not remember the date when I went with Mrs. Tompkins to Regent Street and then to Mrs. Robertson's—we started from Manor Park after dinner and came to Liverpool Street, London, by train, and then took an omnibus—I do not remember where we got out; we walked about and had tea—I do not remember calling anywhere before we went to Mrs. Robertson's—we went back to Forest Gate in the evening—I have known Arthur Settle about 5 years; he is a draper; he did not live at Stockton, but his parents did; I did not know them; he lived in York—I have known him about 5 years, but have not seen much of him—I do not know how long he has been at Shoolbred's—I knew he was there—his father told me he was in London, and Mrs. Robertson told me he was at Shoolbred's—Mrs. Robertson did not know him, but she knew from Mrs. Tompkins that he was there; she had lived at Stockton—on the evening that I was waiting for Settle to go with me, I did not go to Tottenham Court Road at all—I did not know the names of the streets—that was the first time I had been at Tottenham Court Road—he saw me back to Mrs. Robertson's—I was out on Jubilee night from about 9 till 11—during that time I walked through the streets where the illuminations were, but I don't know where we went—it was not a glass of water they brought me at the station, it was a tin, and I took it up and put it on the table—I never said "If I wanted water I could ask for it"—Mrs. Bowman's name was first mentioned on the 28th, as we were going to the police-station, and I told the constable about Southampton Row in the

charge room, before Sergeant Coomber came in—I asked them to send for Mrs. Bowman both before and after Coomber came in.

By MR. BESLEY. I remember being asked at Scotland Yard in what capacity Settle was; whether he was in the counting-house or not, and I said in the drapery department—I was not asked whether I had been out with him—Mr. Grain did not ask me whether I had ever been in company with him—I did not deny, from first to last, having walked with him, because I was not asked, but I was asked if there had been anything improper between us.

By the JURY. When Endacott apprehended me he was in uniform—I was allowed to go out any evening after business at Madame Bowman's.

MARY ANN BOWMAN . I live at 19, Southampton Row; I have been there seven years, and occupy the whole house except the ground-floor, which are offices—I have been dressmaking for 30 years—on Whit Tuesday I advertised for a first-hand and fitter, and had an answer from Miss Cass—I took references, and engaged her—the arrangement was that she was to live and take her meals with my family, and sleep in the same room and bed with my niece, Jane Scott, and to be forewoman; and from 7th June to 28th September she slept in the same room with my niece, and took her meals with me—I never saw her in Regent Street between June 7th and June 28th, and she had no opportunity of going there—she never went out—she was not out, without my knowledge and permission, between those dates, but on the 28th she asked leave to go out to make a small purchase—I went out with my sister, Mrs. Tennell, and Miss Cass, on Jubilee night—we went across Long Acre, Piccadilly, and by the Green Park to Buckingham Palace, and saw them going to dinner—we returned across the park, making for Piccadilly by the time they were lighting up—from Piccadilly, we went, I think, through St. James's Street, where there were very nice clubs, and then into Pall Mall—we passed the top of Regent Street—I was with her the whole time—I do not know whether Regent Street was the proper way to go when we had passed the clubs—we were only out two hours and a half—I remember Endacott coming to me after 10 o'clock on 28th June—I had a conversation with him, and went and found Miss Cass in a cell at the station—I put in bail for her, and she was released—I attended next morning and made a communication to the Magistrate.

Cross-examined. I am one of four children; I am the third—I have one brother—my maiden name was James—my sister is Mary Ann Tennell; she is my only sister—I still say that Jane Scott is my niece by my husband's sister—Mrs. Banks has been my adopted daughter—I do not see what her divorce has to do with this case—she has never brought home men—I have never used filthy or foul language in my workroom.

Re-examined. I have been married 28 years, and have been at 19, Southamp to a Row seven years in March—my husband resides there with me; he keeps the looks, and I attend to the business—no complaint of my house, or suggestion as to its character, has ever been made—I appeared at Marlborough Street when Miss Cass was under charge, and gave evidence at Bow Street when Endacott was under charge.

By MR. BESLEY. Miss Cass never went out of the house alone only to the post-office once—she was at our house on one or two Saturdays—I cannot say that she was with me one Sunday—I don't think I said that she went to Manor Park every Saturday—when I said she never went out

of the house, I meant alone; she went out but not alone; she went out with my sister, Mrs. Tennell, but only one Sunday evening.

JANE SCOTT . I am Mrs. Bowman's niece, and am an apprentice—I came from Brigan, near Carlisle, and have been with her, at Southampton Row, 10 months—when Miss Cass was there she slept in the same bed with me—we had supper together—I remember going into the City on the Sunday evening just before the Jubilee day; we had been to church, and came out about half-past 8, an I walked down to see the preparations; we got back to supper—I went out on Jubilee night with my aunt and Miss Cass—on the other Sundays Miss Cass went away in the afternoon—with these exceptions, she was there to supper every night—I remember her going out on the night of the 28th, when this happened.

Cross-examined. We four went out on Jubilee night—I cannot describe the way we walked—I do not know Recent Street, I cannot say that we did not go there—I did not mention going out on the Jubilee night when I was before the Magistrate—when we went into the City the day before Jubilee day we did not walk down Regent Street to get to the City—Miss Cass did not walk with me, I walked with my aunt—I said before the Magistrate, "Except when she went to Manor Park, she slept with me in the same bed every night"—I omitted saying anything about the illuminations on the Jubilee night; I forgot them; I did not think of the Jubilee night.

EMMA TOMPKINS . I live with my husband at Averley Hall, near Romford, Essex—from a communication I had from my daughter, Miss Cass came to me to do some work at my house, first on May 3rd—my house is a mile and a half from Purfleet Station—she was met on the first occasion, and she remained with me till May 5th, and slept in the house, and had her meals—she left on 5th May, at 5 p.m., and was taken in a vehicle to the station—she next came on May 16th; she walked from the station on that occasion, and she remained till the 19th, under the same circumstances as before, and left about the same time by the train to town—the next date was May 23rd, under the same conditions, leaving on the 25th, at the same time—that was the last time she was there, and while she was there she was practically under my observation.

Cross-examined. She came to East Ham; the train takes about 40 minutes from there to Liverpool Street—she did not sometimes leave at 4 p.m.—our groom took her to the station—I know nothing about how often she left my house—the train she went to meet went at a few minutes after 5; it would take the groom about 20 minutes to come back—I remember his coming back on those occasions, but cannot say at what time—Purfleet is our station; we are nine miles from Romford.

SUSANNAH ROBERTSON . I am a widow, and for 30 years have kept Nos. 41 and 42, Trinity Square, Borough, as a boarding house—I knew Mrs. Tompkins senior when she was a child—about the end of April she called on me with Miss Cass; we had some tea and they stayed about two hours, and left together—in consequence of what happened that evening I engaged Miss Cass to come to work for me as a dressmaker, and she came three or four days afterwards at the beginning of May; I was going; away on the Saturday—Mrs. Tompkins junior accompanied her the first time she came; she stayed three or four days; she had her meals with me and slept in the same room as I did—she went out one evening for half-an-hour while with me; she wanted something at a shop and I told her where to go—she was fetched by Mrs. Tompkins—she came again on

Saturday, 28th May, that was the Saturday before Whitsuntide, and stayed till the next Saturday—she came alone in the morning, and slept and had her meals the same as the first time—it was Saturday when Mrs. Tompkins and her mother came; they went to see the Queen when she went to open the Palace—they all three went out together and came home together; that was the only time she went out—she also went during the second visit to see Madame Bowman about an advertisement that was about 1 o'clock, after dinner, I think—she was working a god part of the morning—she returned between 8 and 9 in the evening—I know she was home to supper, which would be 9.30 or 9.45—it was not quite dark when she came back—no one accompanied her on the last occasion when she went away; yes, I think Mrs. Tompkins came for he; I am not quite sure.

Cross-examined. I have seen Mrs. Tompkins about this matter several times—I told the solicitor they called at our house Mr. Bartram—I remember there being an inquiry, but I do not know whether that was after the inquiry—Mrs. Tompkins gave evidence at the inquiry and told me afterwards that my name had not been mentioned—it was not known then that Miss Case had been at my place; she thought it was not necessary; she said she thought it would not do much good to me, as we knew nothing about her; she came and told me that just after she had given evidence; she told me that she said Miss Cass had not left her at all, and had not been at my place; and, of course, if she had never left Manor Park she could not have been in Regent Street—Mrs. Tompkins and her mother came to see me when Miss Cass was with me, and the three of us went out together, and my grandson made four; we went to Leadenhall Street to see the Queen open the Palace—that was before Miss Cass came to me the first time, before April—she said she took her to show her that part of the town where the best shops are, and I think they went to Regent Street and other places, they told me they had been looking at the shops in Regent Street, and it was after that she was to come and spend a few days with me—I think it was from Tuesday till Saturday; it might have been a day more or less—she came to London to look for a situation, and came to my place, as she thought she would earn something to fill up the time—she was not with me as a lodger—I don't mean to say that from morning to night she did not go out—I said that she must be very tired, but she did not want to go out—we are busy all day, and we sit down and read in the evening, and she was sewing—I do not remember saying before, that she never went out of the house at all, because I never thought we should have any trouble—the second time she came to stay a week—she did not know tie way to Madame Bowman's, she had a trouble to find it; she said she lost her way in Tottenham Court Road—she went to see a gentleman whom she knew there, Mr. Settle, she took the wrong turning in Tottenham Court Road—she said that she knew a young gentleman at Shoolbred's and waited to see him—I don't know that she said she waited two hours and a half—she had not been to Madame Bowman's when she lost her way—I am not thinking of some other situation which she went for—she lost her way in coming back from Madame Bowman's, she took the wrong turning, and she asked a policeman the way, and he told her the right way to go, and I think she went to Shoolbred's—I do not think it could have been so late as 9.30 when she got home; she told me she had to wait fur Madame Bowman before she could see her and then she

stopped to see the young man—she did not go out after tea on that visit or sit to work later on, she never went out in the evening only for three-quarters of an hour once when she wanted to buy clean frilling for her neck—it was not more than three-quarters of an hour I am certain—Mrs. Tompkins told me my name had been kept out of it and she did got think I should be called; she did not see the use of bringing my name into it.

Re-examined. I was not particularly anxious to figure in the Cass case—I gave my evidence before Mr. Vaughan—a person cannot get from Trinity Square to Regent Street and back in three-quarters of an hour.

Tuesday, November 1st.

ELIZABETH ANN TOMPKINS . I am the wife of John Godfrey Tompkins, and at the time this happened lived at Durham Road, Manor Park, Forest Gate—my husband used to be in business as a draper at Stockton, and I resided there with him—Elizabeth Cass was in our employment there a little over two years—on 27th April this year she came to our house at Forest Gate, at my invitation—it had been arranged that she was to come on the Wednesday—she did so—I met her at King's Cross Station at eight in the evening—I took her to my house—while she was with me she went several times to my mother-in-law at Purfleet, and twice to Mrs. Robertson's—on the Thursday morning after she came to me, the 26th, I went into the City with her—we went to St. Paul's Church-yard; we did not go to the West End at all—on Saturday, the 30th, I went with her to the West End—we went to Liverpool Street and took the omnibus to Oxford Circus; we got there about three I should think—we did not go into any shop—we went down Regent Street; not towards Portland Place—we took the omnibus from Piccadilly Circus to the Elephant and Castle and went on to Mrs. Robertson's—when Miss Cass went to pay the second visit to Mrs. Robertson she left me in the morning—I did not go with her—I know Mr. Settle of Stockton, he was Coroner there—I knew that his son was at Shoolbred's.

Cross-examined. She got to my place on Wednesday evening, and I took her to the City the following morning—I did not take her to show her Regent Street or the West End the following day; I did on the Saturday, to show her the shops—I talked to her on the way—the omnibus runs direct from the bottom of Tottenham Court Road to the Circus—it was the first time she had been there—I don't know that I told her what the places were; I told her I was taking her to Regent Street—I showed her the different shops there—we walked down Regent Street; I did not show her Jay's, we did not go on that side—I did not take her into any shop in Regent Street, we walked straight down the street, I don't know how long that takes, we stopped to look at the shops as we went along; I suppose she took great interest in what I showed her, not having been there before—we naturally stopped at Madame Louise's bonnet shop; I can't say that we stopped at every bonnet shop—we did not have lunch—on one occasion we went to see the Queen opening the People's Palace, on a Saturday—I took her to Mrs. Robertson's and introduced her on the Saturday—I could not be certain whether I took her there on one of the other occasions that she went there afterwards—she went there to work, and she could while there look after a situation if she wished—she could not go out when she pleased, she went there to work; if she saw an advertisement naturally she could answer it—I remember the inquiry with reference to this matter, I was there as a

witness—I was then alive to the importance of proving that Miss Cass never could have been in Regent Street from the time she came to London until she went into Mrs. Bowman's service—that was the purpose for which I attended, and for no other purpose—I knew she had been away from me on different occasions, but I knew where she was—I did not think it necessary to mention at that time that she had been away from my house, I did not mention it—I did not mention the fact that she had been to Mrs. Robertson?—I did not wish to bring my friends in unnecessarily; that was the only reason—I knew where she was—I did not give my account on oath.

EDGAR WALTER . I am a draper's assistant at Norman, Redding, and Co's, Old Compton Street, Soho—on the night of 28th June last we closed at 8.30—I had occasion to go to Davies Street, Oxford Street, to get a parcel of boots—I got the parcel, and returned by way of Oxford Street—I walked on the left-hand side going east, that would be the north side—after crossing the Circus and getting into Oxford Street, and getting past the Crystal Palace Bazaar, the constable Endacottcame hurriedly along and arrested Miss Cass—I had seen her from the Circus, a distance of 30 or 40 yards quite—from the time I first noticed her up to the time of seeing her arrested I had not seen her do anything as regards gentlemen—she was alone—I did not see any other woman accompanying her—I did not see her speak to anybody; I am sure of that—at the moment of her arrest I did not see anybody run or slip away from her—I know this part of Oxford Street perfectly well—the spot where she was arrested would be about from 10 to 15 yards past the Crystal Palace Bazaar, and about the second window of Peter Robinson's in Oxford Street—after her arrest I followed for a distance—Endacott went up the left-hand side of Great Portland Street, and I took the right—I did not see any man address Endacott, either before or at the time of the arrest; no one spoke to him.

Cross-examined. I did not hear a word spoken by Endacott to Miss Cass—I could have touched her with my right or left hand before she was arrested—she was very little farther than that from me when she was arrested—I was a little to the left of the constable—I did not hear a word addressed to her, either by Endacott or a constable in uniform—there was no great crowd at the corner; the street was not unusually full; there were a great number of people about—I did not see any illuminations in Oxford Street—I do not know whether there were any at the Mansion House or Bank of England—I did not see people hastening to get on the top of the omnibuses to go to the City; nothing of that kind occurred—I did not see Miss Cass, with difficulty, getting through a thick crowd—I live at my place of business, 51, Old Compton Street; it is not more than five minutes' walk from Oxford Street—Davies Street is south of Oxford Street—I might have gone across Regent Street to Old Compton Street—I was not in Regent Street that night—I called on Mrs. Bowman on Friday night, the 22nd; she was out, and she called on me on Saturday morning—that was a month after the occurrence, the Friday previous to the inquiry at Scotland Yard on the following Monday; that was the first time I made any official statement of what I am now speaking of—I followed Endacott and Miss Cass up Great Portland Street—I did not go any farther than Goodge Street; I did not go to the police-station—I did not speak to Endacott.

Re-examined. I had seen the newspapers before calling on Mrs.

Bowman—I read her address in the Pall Mall Gazette the next day—I had not known her before—I heard of the discussion about the case in Parliament—I always read the papers every day.

By the JURY. I went out of my way when I followed Endacott and Miss Cass—I was induced to do so because I had not seen the young lady do anything wrong.

BENJAMIN MORGAN (Police Sergeant). I was on duty in plain clothes at Tottenham Court Road Police-station, when Endacott brought in Miss Cass on the evening of the 28th—I was engaged reading at the time; I heard some commotion behind, and looking round I saw the prosecutrix on the floor, with her head on the mat as though she had fallen down—Endacott was standing close by, and Hindmarsh, another constable, 374—she was assisted up by the constable, and she was allowed to sit on a form near the table—I saw some water brought; I was close by her at the time; it was brought in a tin and put on the table; I can't say whether she drank any or not—it was put on the table close by; offered to her—I did not hear her say anything—I directed one of the constables to fetch her some water—I heard her ask Endacott to let some one know; I did not catch the name—she appeared to be partially insensible—this was before Sergeant Coomber came in—when he came in she was put in the dock—Coomber said to Endacott "What is this?" meaning what is the nature of the charge—Endacott said, "Disorderly prostitute annoying male passengers in Regent Street," or words to that effect—Coomber said, "Do you know her?"—Eudacott said, "Yes, T have seen her there before"—I think he said he had seen her accosting before, but I am not clear as to that—he said he had seen her that evening take hold of two or three gentlemen and accost them—he said something about another woman, but I did not catch clearly what it was—Coomber then said to her "You hear what the constable has said"—she made no reply—he asked her name and address, and she gave it him—I left the office just at that time; I did not see her taken to the cell—I have not known the man Simmonds as a police-constable—I never saw him till yesterday.

Cross-examined. I was on duty at this time, but not strictly engaged at the station—I remember some things that passed; I won't swear positively to all—I remember clearly, when Coomber said "what is this?" that Endacott said "Disorderly prostitute annoying male passengers in Regent Street"—I don't remember hearing him say "Soliciting"—to the best of my belief he said "Disorderly prostitute annoying male passengers in Regent Street;" I won't swear positively—I did not hear any place mentioned but Regent Street—I could hear what he said quite well—I heard Miss Cass give her name and address—when Coomber said "You hear what the constable says," I don't remember that he asked for any reply—it is the ordinary practice to ask persons their name, address, and occupation, and what they say is put down—they describe themselves as they please—I did not hear Miss Cass make any reply as to that; before she made any, if she did make any, I left the station—I was not struck by anything peculiar about her demeanour—I have seen persons faint at the station; not very of ten—she was not dressed particularly—a person charged is always given an opportunity of making a reply.

WILLIAM COOMBER (Police Sergeant D 52). I was acting as inspector on duty on the evening of 28th June at Tottenham Court Road Station—I remember Miss Cass being brought in—I was not present when she was

brought into the charge room—I came into the office after sending of the men on duty in the yard; I found Miss Cass in the dock; Endacott was in the charge room—I said to him "What is this?" meaning the charge—he said "Soliciting"—I then asked him what he had peen her do—he said "I saw her stop three gentlemen in Regent Street," and he apprehended her when she stopped the third—I said to her "You hear what the constable says, what have you to say?"—she made no reply—I asked her her name, she said "Cass"—I asked her how it was spelt; she told me—I then asked her Christian name; she said "Elizabeth;" and where she lived—she said "19, Southampton Row"—I then filled in the charge sheet, and then said to her "What do you do for a living?"—she made no reply—I said "I mean what is your occupation?"—she made no reply to that—I then read the charge over to her; she made no reply then—I was not told by anyone in Endacott's presence what her occupation was—that was all that passed in the charge room—she was taken from the dock down the cell passage by the gaoler; they were in front, I followed behind—she said "Can I have bail, sir?"—I said "Yes, certainly"—she then burst into tears and said "I am not the sort of girl the constable represents me to be, and if you send to Madame Bowman she will tell you what I say is true"—I asked who Madame Bowman was—she said "My employer, where I live"—I then sent Endacott to Madame Bowman, and she arrived and offered bail.

By the JURY. When I asked Miss Cass what she had to say she said nothing; she did not express any indignation till on her way to the cell; I don't think she was in a state of insensibility, she was sullen, looking at her toes all the while, that was my impression, not that she had been drinking, there was not the slightest idea of it; I was not aware that she had fainted.

WILLIAM HIND MARSH (Examined by MR. BESLEY). About 10 on the night of 28th June I was at Tottenham Court Road Police-station; I am gaoler there—I gave the can of water to Miss Cass; she said "No, thank you, I don't want water, when I want water I will ask for it"—I also heard her say before Coomber came in "That policeman has made a mistake this time, I have only been up this way twice"—I am quite sure she said that—she did not take the can of water out of my hand, I put it on the table before her.

GEORGE DRAPER . I am superintendent of B Division of Police; I have known Endacott as a constable in that division—on 28th June he was patrolling Regent Street between All Souls' Church and the Circus and past the short streets adjacent to the Circus—he would not have to cross the road in Regent Street at all—I can't tell you bow long before the 28th that had been his beat—his period would be eight hours in the 24—I cannot tell you from when to when on that day—I did not send him on duty, Inspector Wyborn did it—it varied on different days.

Cross-examined. On this night there was a considerable amount of traffic going towards the city on account of the illuminations and the ball at the Mansion House—Endacott has been in the police about a dozen years, and under me for about two years—I found him a diligent, trustworthy officer.

By the JURY. He has been on this special duty off and on, I cannot tell exactly how long, but for some months—the chief reason why he was appointed

was to bring in prostitutes—I cannot tell how many a week he would bring in, I know lie arrested a number of women. This being the case for the prosecution, MR. JUSTICE STEPHEN, after hearing the SOLICITOR-GENERAL upon the point of corroboration, expressed his opinion that only upon one assignment was there sufficient evidence of corroboration of the prosecutrix for the Jury to consider, and under those circumstances the prosecution would probably consider whether it was advisable to proceed. The SOLICITORGENERAL, after some consultation, stated that, the matter being limited to the one assignment, he could not expect a verdict solely upon that. MR. JUSTICE STEPHEN concurring, the Jury returned a verdict of


NEW COURT.—Monday, October 31st, 1887.

Before Mr. Recorder.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1059
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1059. EDWIN STOCKDALE, Unlawfully obtaining certain machinery by false pretences. Second Count, making a false prospectus, with intent to induce George Frederick Weller to advance 94l. 14s. 2d.

MR. MACMORRAN Prosecuted; MR. FULTON Defended.

GEORGE FREDERICK WELLER . I am in the employ of Mr. Esson, millwright and engineer, of 1, McLean's Buildings, Fetter Lane—in July last I saw an advertisement in a newspaper, to which I replied—on 12th July the prisoner called on me and said that he wanted to purchase some stereo plant and printing materials, and produced this prospectus—I asked him about payment—he proposed paying 20l. down, 20l. the following Tuesday, and the balance the third week—he said that Henry Munster, Esq., Mr. Dorton, Mr. Gentry, and Mr. Saunders were directors of the company, and he could have any money he required from Mr. Munster if he ran short of cash, and that those gentlemen had promised to pay large sums of money into the business—he said that Mr. Brewer was the solicitor to the company—I knew Mr. Dorton, Mr. Gentry, and Mr. Saunders—I live near them—he said the directors were to meet on Tuesday evening—I took this prospectus to Mr. Esson, he looked at it, and authorised me to deliver the goods—the prisoner wrote the order in the office—(For 400 lb. of brevier, and other weights of type; signed" Weller, Managing Director")—the 20l. was not paid down, the goods were not delivered till a week afterwards—I went to see him next day, 13th July; he said that he could not give me a cheque till next Tuesday, not till there was a meeting of the company to draw a cheque—this letter was given me when I called for the cheque: July 12th. Dear Sir,—Kindly forward the stereo and also the brevier; there will be a meeting of the directors, and I will get a cheque signed and send you the 20l."—he brought a 20l. note on the 20th, and goods were supplied value 114l. 14s. 2d.—I parted with them on his pointing out the names of the directors, I knowing them to be well-to-do gentlemen—no other prospectus was. given to me.

Cross-examined. I knew him by sight when he called, without knowing who and what he was; I had not heard that negotiations were going on about starting another newspaper—he did not give me a card—I noticed the corrections in this prospectus, but he told me he did not want me to show it—the 20l. is the only amount that has been paid—I know a person named Evans in Stockdale's employment, I believe he is supposed to be manager—I am quite sure I did not get the prospectus from him; I took

it to Mr. Esson the same day that the prisoner gave it to me—I took it back and locked it in my drawer and retained it—I applied personally to the defendant the following week, about 27th August, for the second payment, but he said the directors had gone away for their holiday for three weeks—I asked him if he could not let me have some cash, he said that he could not till the directors came back—I did not apply again, I was ill for three weeks, and while I was away Mr. Esson found out that the company was going wrong, that it would not be floated—I did not apply again when I came back to business, as it was then in the solicitor's hands.

JOHN ASHBUKTON ESSON . I am a millwright and engineer of 1, McLean's Buildings—Mr. Weller made a statement to me on 12th July and produced this prospectus; I looked at it and authorised him to deliver the goods, seeing the names of some gentlemen in it which I knew very well—I knew Mr. Munster very well at Brighton—I only saw the prospectus once, that was in the evening of the day the prisoner called.

Cross-examined. I knew nothing about this plant being sold till we received a letter from the liquidator—I got no dividend, I did not prove in the liquidation—I instructed my solicitor to take proceedings during Mr. Weller's illness—I knew that everything was seized by the liquidator, he sold everything for the creditors—the prospectus was shown me between five and six o'clock on the day he applied for the goods—I should not have allowed the goods to go, unless some responsible person was at the back of it.

Re-examined. I heard some time in August that the Company was in liquidation and I wrote to each of these gentlemen they all denied it, and I put the matter in my solicitor's hands.

HENRY MUNSTER . I am a barrister-at-law, and live at Selwood Lodge, Brighton—I never authorised anyone to put my name down as a director of the Essex Printing and Publishing Company—I did not know there was such a Company, and never promised to pay money to it; nobody has authority to use my name.

Cross-examined. I did not know at the time, but Mr. Brewer was my agent in election matters, and afterwards I remembered the defendants printing some circulars through the famous case of Stockdale and Hansard—I do not remember Mr. Brewer bringing under my notice any overtures made to him that I should be a director.

JOHN DORTON . I am a member of the Council of West Ham, I am not an alderman—there is no one else of that name in the Corporation—I did not authorise the defendant to give my name as, a director of the Essex Printing and Publishing Company, Limited.

Cross-examined. The defendant proposed to me the starting of a local newspaper; another paper has been started; I have no connection with it.

MARK GENTRY . I am a member of the Corporation of West Ham—my works are in Stratford and London—at the defendant's urgent request I subscribed for one share in the Essex Printing and Publishing Company—I did not authorise him to place my name in the prospectus as a director, and never saw a prospectus with my name in it till these proceedings were taken—I did not act as a director.

Cross-examined. I told him that if this paper was properly taken up I should be willing to associate myself with it—I made the fifth shareholder,

but about the end of June I told him I would have nothing more to do with it—there had been a general desire that another journal should be started, and I am associated with it.

WILLIAM BREWER . I am a solicitor of 102, Fenchurch Street—I am solicitor for Mr. Munster—I have known the defendant some years, and on several occasions have put printing into his hands for Mr. Munster, and he talked of turning his business into a company, and asked if I thought Mr. Munster would assist him by joining the company, and said he had got some very influential names, Colonel Makins and others—I told him I could not make any promise for Mr. Munster—this was not at election time; to the best of my memory it was about June, but he may have mentioned it before—I never authorised him to publish Mr. Minister's name as a director, or to put it on the prospectus; I had no authority—a gentleman called on me to ask if Mr. Munster was a director of the company; I told him it was absurd; I think the defeudant called about the same time, and I taxed him with it, and he denied mentioning Mr. Minister's name in connection with the company—after that I received this letter—(Dated 20th August, from the prisoner, stating that he had taken the witness's advice, and put in hand the voluntary winding-up of the company, and referring to the witness having taxed him with using Mr. Munster's name)—I did not authorise the prisoner to put my name in the prospectus as solicitor to the company—I should not have done so unless I had seen its contents.

Cross-examined. He spoke to me several times about the company, and seemed sanguine as to its success.

HARRY CLANCH . I am an accountant of 39, Wassey Road, Leytonstone—I am one of the liquidators of the Essex Printing and Publishing Company, which was being voluntarily wound up; it was registered in October, 1886—since January I have been employed as registrar; it was my duty to attend the meetings, take the minutes, and keep the books—there was no banking-account and no cheques were drawn to my knowledge—I first saw a prospectus like this with the names of Mr. Munster, Mr. Dawson, and Mr. Gentry about 20th June, 1887, when I went into the shop and stood on the outside of the counter——Mr. Stockdale was engaged writing, and whether he handed me the prospectus or whether I took it up I do not know—I asked him if he had secured Mr. Munster as a director; he said "No, I am going to write to Mr. Brewer," or "I have written to Mr. Brewer to get his assent"—I said "You must be a fool to print a man's name as a director without his authority"—there were several conversations and I cautioned him—among the papers which came into my possession as liquidator was a similar prospectus and a letter in the defendant's writing, dated June 1887, addressed to a gentleman, asking him for his support—it had never been sent, but the envelope was sealed—I opened it; another prospectus was printed, dated March, 1887, similar to the one of June, except that it does not contain the names of Messrs. Munster and Dorton as directors, or Mr. Brewer as solicitor—the company is not solvent, nor was it solvent on 12th July; it stood 12l. to the bad on 12th July, which some one had paid on behalf of the company, and beyond that there was an overdue bill of 200l. unpaid—the company had no money to my knowledge, but they had stock and plant—the prisoner had charge of the books.

Cross-examined. The claims admitted up to the present time, exclusive

of what is due to the defendant, amount to 186l., that is for paper and trade debts, 129l. is for wages paid—we have admitted claims of 111l. 10s., and we do not expect any more assests—if the company had been floated there would have been no difficulty at all—it was duly incorporated but never floated—there never appeared more then the seven subscribers—he was endeavouring to get directors, and there are no bankers in the prospectus—it must have been prior to 20th June that I called upon him—this half of a prospectus came into my possession on 21st September; it is dated March, and the date is altered to June in ink in the prisoner's writing—I spoke to him about it the same day in Mr. Brewster's hearing—the first page containing the alterations in the directors' names is missing, and I asked him why it was torn off—he said he did not know—I asked Mr. Brewster who told him to set up the type, putting in those names—he said "The governor"—I said "Mr. Stockton"—he said "Yes"—there are certain promissory notes made by Mr. Saunders, one of the directors—his name has never been questioned as a director; he is in business at Stratford—Dr. M'Carthy, a medical man in practice, is also a director; his name is on the prospectus—this promissory note is for 1,000l.; it is payable to Stockdale, as the considers he was to receive for the plant, and the rest in fully paid-up shares—on 12th July one of those promissory notes was overdue; if it had been paid there would have been no difficulty about money—Dr. M'Carthy and Mr. Saunders signed those notes on behalf of the company, and they were never paid—Mr. Stockdale has advanced money of his own by the cash book.

Re-examined. About 290l. has been realised, and there are other assets which I think will come in, 25l. or 30l.—of course I leave out the question of these goods; they have not been sold—notice was given me not to part with them pending proceedings.

GUILTY on the Second Count. One Week's Imprisonment.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1060
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1060. CHARLES BURDETT, Stealing a bay mare filly, the property of Joseph Bryce, a chestnut gelding of Frederick Seabrook, and a bay mare of Edward White.

MR. C. MATHEWS and MR. BODKIN Prosecuted; MR. MOYSES Defended.

EDWARD WHITE . I am a horse dealer of Leytonstone—on 7th September I was at Barnet Fair, and had 22 horses in a field in Mags Lane; I saw them last at 7 o'clock—I went to the field next day and missed two bay mares, worth 25l. and 40l.—I gave a description to the police, and on the 19th September I went to Barnet Petty Sessions, and found the prisoner in custody with three other men; one of them was Cooper—I gave evidence against Cooper, and he was committed for trial, and convicted of stealing the 25l. mare—I received both mares back from the police—I saw the prisoner produce a receipt in his defence, but I did not look at it—the prisoner got discharged.

Cross-examined. Cooper owned to stealing both mares—the detective! suggested that I should prosecute the prisoner again, but I declined.

FREDERICK SEABROOK . I am a licensed victualler out of business—I had a chestnut gelding turned out in Mr. Gibbard's field, Beckton Road Marshes, rising 4 years old, value 25l.—the mane grew naturally; it was not plaited—about a fortnight after I was told he was gone, and on 20th

September I was called to Plaistow Police-station, and identified the gelding.

Cross-examined. It has not been suggested to me that I should prosecute the prisoner.

MARK GIBBARD . I am a grazier of High Street, East Ham—in August I had Mr. Seabrook's chestnut gelding grazing in a field known as Beckton Marsh—I saw it safe late on 29th, and I missed it next morning—I have seen it since in Mr. Seabrook's possession, and have no doubt of its identity—afterwards, in consequence of what Mr. Watnell told me, I went to Boundary Street, Shoreditch, where he pointed out a fishmonger's shop near the Five Inkhorns public-house, at the back of which there is a large shed or stable—he went in; I did not.

JOSEPH BOYCE . I am a baker and corn dealer, of 15, Middleton Road, Bowes Park—in April this year I had a bay filly, and on 18th April I turned her out at Southgate into Mr. Ball's field—I saw her there sale on 20th April, and on 22nd April I heard from Mr. Ball that she was gone, and went and gave a description of her at the police-station—on 23rd September I saw her at Wood Green Police-station—she had a mark on the right eye where she had been bitten, and she had some black marks, like a donkey, straight down her back, and across—I have no doubt she is mine—she is worth 20l.

Cross-examined. She has grown a good deal—I gave the prisoner in charge from information I received from the detective; the detective did not ask me to charge him—the first hearing was at Edmonton; I gave my evidence, after which the prisoner was admitted to bail on his own recognizances—I had not seen him before—the detective said that the prisoner would be there in an hour, and asked me if I should charge him, and I said "Yes."

Re-examined. The information was that the horse had been discovered in his possession.

EDWARD BALLS . I am a farmer and dairyman, of Southgate—I had a bay filly belonging to Mr. Boyce turned out in my field—I saw her safe on April 22, at 9 p.m., and missed her next morning—the fence was broken, and the gate was broken open—I found some hair from the mare's tail in the fence, but saw nothing more of her till September 28th, when she was in possession of the police—I identified her by a mark across her back and shoulders, and a scar on her right eye.

BARNET MILLWARD . I live at 96, Holloway Road, and am Mr. Boyce's brother-in-law—I had the mother of this filly before the filly was born—I brought her up and kept her till February, when I handed her over to my brother-in-law—I used to see her two or three times a week, and I turned her out on this Sunday morning—I went with the police and identified her at once.

Crow-examined. I went with the detective and saw the prisoner, and heard him say that he had bought the horse at the Fish Market, but I did not hear him say, five months before—I know that the detective took me to Edmonton from a description of the pony given by the prisoner—it has a mark across like a donkey, and another down the back.

CHARLES MOSS . I live at 67, Mead Street, Shoreditch, and have known the prisoner four or five years—he keeps a fishmonger's shop at 18, Boundary Street—my father is the tenant of a 10-stailed stable in New Mickle Street; the landlord is Mr. Holland, of the Five Inkhorns, and the

stables are at the back of that public-house—my father lets out stalls to different people, and the prisoner has two stalls opposite each other, at the farther end from the door—he has rented those stalls for four or five years, at half-a-crown a week, and has kept horses there—one Saturday afternoon I saw the police take one of his horses away; there was another horse left, and when I went round on Sunday afternoon I missed that—everybody who hired stalls could get into the stables; they had keys—on Sunday night, the 18th, I saw a little pony in the prisoner's stall, called "Jenny Kickey."

Cross-examined. I go to the stable nearly every day—sometimes the stalls are empty, sometimes not—the prisoner used a cart, in his business, and used to go with it to market to fetch his fish home, and he used to drive this bay filly about regularly in his business for a month or two, quite openly and regularly—the prisoner paid my father his rent regularly every Sunday morning, and I have always found him an honest, straightforward, and fair-dealing young fellow—he bears a very good character—my father has a light-chestnut gelding, which is in the stable now—sometimes these stalls are not all full, and there was nothing to prevent the tenant of one stall putting his horse into the stall of another for convenience.

Re-examined. My father bought the chestnut gelding four or five years ago—I last saw the prisoner driving a cart four or five months ago; he has sent his cart home now; he used to hire it—I missed the horse from the prisoner's stall on Saturday afternoon, and on Sunday afternoon I saw it in the stable—I have never seen a chestnut gelding in the prisoner's stall—I did not see the chestnut gelding there on Friday morning or on Saturday, but I saw it there on Sunday afternoon.

By MR. MOYSES. The prisoner used to do a little in horse dealing, and he used to bring home horses and keep them there in that stable, but I don't know whether he sold them.

ARTHUR DUNVILLE ROE, B.M. AND M.R.C.S. I live at 47, West Hill, Wandsworth—Alfred Leach has been under my care since the 21st inst, suffering from acute pneumonia of the left lung—I saw him this morning; he is very ill, quite unable to leave his bed, and will be so for some time.

WILLIAM WATNELL . I am a furniture dealer of 126, Green Gate, Plaistow—on Friday, 16th September, I drove from Plaistow to London with Mr. White's brother—on our way we went into a public-house at the back of Shoreditch Church, leaving the pony and curt outside—some one spoke to me, and we went out and accompanied the person who spoke to me to Boundary Street—I there saw a fishmonger's shop and a cat's-meat shop, adjoining each other—the person who spoke to me went into one of those shops, I cannot say which; I waited for him—he came out accompanied by somebody else, and we went to a stable in New Nicholl Street; it was open, and several men were in there—a chestnut gelding was pointed out to me in the stall furthest from the door by the man who had called me—it was brought out from the stable under a shed, and run up and down I looked at its mouth; I should say it was about four years old—I was asked 20l. for it—I did not buy it—I said it was not big enough for me—it was taken back to the stable, and I left—two or three days afterwards I saw Mr. Gibbard, and pointed out to him the shops, one of which I had seen the man come from, and I gave him a description of the horse I had seen—in consequence of that he went to the police—on 21st September I went to the Abbey Arms, Green Yard, at Plaistow, and there

saw the chestnut gelding—to the best of my belief it was the same I had seen in the stable; I would not like to swear to it—I gave the policesergeant a description of the man who had shown it me on the 16th.

Crow-examined. I could not swear the prisoner was the man—he had side whiskers—he was a man about 33.

WILLIAM HOLLAND . I am the landlord of the Five Inkhorns, New Nicholl Street—there is a stable at the back, which is let out to the renters of stalls in it—I occasionally occupy one of the stalls; the one on the left, No. 3, I think, from the door—I know Mr. Watnell—I never offered him a horse for sale—I had no horse for sale on 16th September.

Cross-examined. I do not keep a horse now—I disposed of it last week—there are other stables in the vicinity of these stables—I have known the prisoner eight or nine months—I always found him a highly respectable young man.

JAMES LANSDOWN . I am a general dealer of 4, Half Nicholl Street, Bethnal Green—I rent a stall in Mr. Moss's stable; the first inside the door; the next is occupied by a donkey of Mr. Griffiths—Mr. Holland has a stall, and Mr. Moss has one—the prisoner had two stalls—I don't know who had the others, they were perfect strangers—the prisoner had a little pony called "Kitty"; that was the only animal I knew him to be possessed of—I never had a chestnut cob for sale.

Cross-examined. I had more than one horse at the stable; I frequently had ponies there—I have known the prisoner about ten years, as a hardworking, honest chap—I have had several transactions with him—he has been doing a little in buying and selling homes—I have seen him buy horses at Aldridge's.

Re-examined. He is a fishmonger and a horse dealer as well; his shop is 18, Boundary Street, a little dried fish shop, that is where he lives and carries on business.

STEPHEN GUMMER (Detective Sergeant). Alfred Leach and I have been jointly concerned in conducting this case on behalf of the police—I attended as a witness before the Magistrate on the first occasion, when Leach was sworn and examined, and cross-examined by Mr. Moyses for the prisoner—this is Alfred Leach's signature to his deposition (The desposition was put in and read)—I was present when Carter was called, and was spoken to in the prisoner's hearing—he said that he saw no money pass; he also said, "I saw no horse"—I compared those two receipts at Hoxton Station, and said to Leach in the prisoner's hearing, "These are both in he same handwriting," and I said to the prisoner, "Look at these, Charlie, though you can't write you can tell that"—he made no remark—they undoubtedly are in the same hand—when the prisoner was first charged on 19th September, I had then only one receipt; it was not until the 23rd that the second receipt was brought to my notice—on the 24th I saw Mr. Gibbard, and he went with me and pointed out the prisoner's shop and stable.

Cross-examined. I gave evidence against the prisoner at Barnet—Carter had told me before then that he saw no money pass—at the police-court he said he did see money pass, but what it was he did not say—the Magistrate discharged the prisoner—I was in communication with Carter from the first—Leach conducted the prosecution at Barnet—I gave evidence—I heard afterwards that the Treasury had taken the matter up—I found a

number of receipts on the tile at the prisoner's house—I see Carter here to-day, and Wheeler also.

RICHARD MACEY (Police-Sergeant S). I was present at the hearing of this case at Bar net and Edmionton—Wheeler was called on behalf of the prisoner.

Cross-examined. I was not called in this case at Edmonton, I was at Barnet in the case of Mr. White; Leach was there and other constables; I did not subpoena Wheeler.

JAMES WHEELER (Examined by MR. MOYSES). I am a coffee-house keeper, 21, Church Street, Shoreditch; it is called Payne's Coffee House; I have known the prisoner for the last four years—this is the third time I have seen this receipt for 16l.; twice before I have expressed my opinion that this is my signature at the bottom, and when I come to look at it again I think it must be my signature—(The witness was directed to write his name three times on paper, which was handed to the Jury.)—I said before the Magistrate, "The signature looks like my miserable handwriting;" I was under the impression that I wrote the body of it, but I could not have done so, because it is so much like my signature—I then thought I had written the body, and therefore I thought it was not my signature; and then I came to recollect I could not have written the body at the time I put my signature—I remember witnessing a transaction between the prisoner and another man—it was a horse sold for 16l., and I saw the money paid—I have paid the prisoner about 4l. a week for the last four years for fish in his Hue of business—I never knew anything wrong of him.

Cross-examined. I only witnessed this one document—I could not tell you the date; I know it was the day of the Costermongers' Show at the People's Palace—I was subpoenaed at Edmonton, I think, against the prisoner—I then said I wrote out the whole document, and that I did not believe the signature was mine—I also said the same to the detectives previously—two receipts were shown to me—I saw money pass; I did not see what it was, they went on one side to pay the money: in all these transactions they do that, I turn my back to anything of that sort—I saw Morris sign his name to the receipt—I saw a man sign his name to it, not the prisoner—this receipt is by the same as wrote the other—I can't see, I am deaf and blind.

Re-examined. I was only present at one transaction; I know nothing about the other receipt—I never went into the Court at Edmonton till I was called—I had been four hours out in the cold; and I had about 40 twopennyworths of brandy—I was about drunk at the time.

The prisoner received a good character.


24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1061
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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1061. EMILY WISE , Endeavouringto conceal the birth of her child.

MR. FOSTER Prosecuted.

GUILTY .— Judgment respited.

THIRD COURT—Monday, October 31st, 1887

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1062
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1062. ALEXANDER SIMS (23) , Stealing twelve cigars and other goods and 4l. 2s., the goods and money of Arthur Gear, and afterwards breaking out of his dwelling-house. Second count, receiving the same.

MR. HEDDON prosecuted.

ARTHUR GEAR . I keep the King's Head public-house, 48, Gerrard Street, Soho—on the morning of 28th September I was rung up about four o'clock by Sergeant Goodall—in consequence of what he said I searched my premises—I found my front door open leading into the street—I went to my bar and missed all the change, 4l. 2s., which I had left on the change rack in the bar for the morning's work, twelve or thirteen cigars worth twopence each, and two or three half ounces of tobacco worth twopence—in money there was 3l. 14s. in silver and 8s. in coppers—I had gone to bed about quarter-past one, leaving my premises closed; I secure them every night myself—this particular door was closed and bolted—the prisoner was not in my employment at this time, he had been some six months before—he used to help the potman clean the plane up—on this evening he was in the public bar at quarter-past twelve—I did not see him leave—he might have concealed himself in a large coal hole under the stairs, next to a urinal—I shut the coal-hole door when I went to bed and when I came down I saw it open, so I know he must have come from there—I only pushed it to and did not fatten it—among the money there was about a shillings worth of French pennies—these are the cigars and tobacco I sell.

NEWTON SMITH (Policeman C 123). On the morning of the 28th last month, about a quarter-past three, I was in Gerrard Street and saw the prisoner coming out of the King's Head—I followed him and said "What account do you give of coming out of the house at this time in the morning"—he said "I am potman here"—I asked him to go back and he said "I cannot go back"—I took him to the station, where he was searched, and there was found on him 3l. 14s. in silver, 8 1/2 d. bronze, including the foreign money, in his trousers pocket, twelve cigars and 3 1/2 ozs. of tobacco in his coat pocket—he was charged and made no answer to the charge.

HENRY DIXON (Policeman C 351). Shortly after three on 28th September I was in Newport Market, where I saw the prisoner in the custody of the last witness about fifty yards from the Kind's Head—the constable said he saw the prisoner come out of the King's Head public-house—I asked the prisoner to come back with me to the public-house and see if it was all right, as he said the daughter of the publican had just let him out—he would not come back with me, he said "I want to go home to bed. if I come back I shall get the sack for leaving at this time in the morning"—I told him if he did not come back I should take him to Vine Street—I and last witness took him to the station—he was charged with breaking out of the public-house—he made no answer—I assisted Goodall to search him—we found 8s. in coppers, 3l. 14i. in silver, twelve cigars, and 3 1/2 ozs. of tobacco.

ALFRED GOODALL (Police Sergeant C 4). I went to the King's Head public-house in consequence of something said tome about half past three on 28th September—I found the revolving door shutter open—it was the entrance to one of the compartments closed by the revolving shutter at light—I called the landlord and searched the premises.

The prisoner in his statement before the Magistrate said that the constable was too far away to see him come out of the public-house, and in his defence That he did it because the landlord owed him money and would not pay it.

ARTHUR GEAR (Re-examined). He had no permission to sleep on my premises—I always paid him his wages—I have occasionally given him a penny or twopence since he left me.

GUILTY .— Four Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1063
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1063. CLARA LOVETT (22) , Unlawfully making a false declaration before W. Cooke, Esq.

ARTHUR GILL Prosecuted.

JANE SMITH . I am the wife of Charles Smith and live at 72, little Albany Street—a day or so after 26th March the prisoner, whom I knew by her mother's name of Clara Lovett, called and said "I want to sell the ticket of the earrings; I have not got them, they are over at the pawnbroker's"—she gave me this ticket for a bracelet pawned for 1l. 13s. in the name of Clara Viney of 62, Little Albany Street, and a ticket for an umbrella—she gave me those tickets as security for 1s. which I lent her—she came and asked me to buy the umbrella ticket for 1s. and I said I did not want such a thing—she said "If you will let your little girl come with me and give me the ticket, I know a man named Mr. Mills who will give me 2s. for it—she sent my little girl back and said Mr. Mills was not at home, but when he came home she would get the money and send me a shilling of the four—she kept the ticket and Mr. Mills had it—she did not pay me the 4s.—she only laughed at me and said she would not me—I saw her several times in Little Albany Street—she used to at me—she was living therewith her mother at that time—I kept this pawnticket for the bracelet till I produced it in court because she had never been.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I gave half-a-crown to the pawnbroker for the tickets for the bracelet and umbrella in addition to the shilling for the other ticket, and then I lent you 1s. 6d. as you said you had not been in bed for many nights—you said that would make 4s. on the tickets.

JOHN ARTHUR WARD . I am manager to Messrs. Peckham, pawn-brokers, of 108, Robert Street, Regent's Park—on 26th March the prisoner pawned a bracelet with us in the name of Clara Viney, this is the ticket I gave her—on 21st of May she came and said "I have lost the ticket of the bracelet and want a declaration so as to redeem the bracelet"—I filled up the body of a declaration which she signed "Clara Viney"—there was a person with her who signed as a witness "Esther Lovett" I have no doubt that the person who signed "Clara Viney" was the prisoner—(The declaration was to the effect that Clara Viney had pledged at Messrs. Peckham 18 the articles described in the margin at her property, and that the pawn ticket had since been lost and not sold or transferred to any other person)—I understood her to say she had lost the tickets—on the same day that the prisoner pawned the bracelet she pawned an umbrella for 6s. 6d.—on the occasion that she asked for a declaration for the bracelet she asked for one for the umbrella—this is it; it is filled up and signed as the previous one by "Clara Viney," witnessed by "Esther Lovett"—the declarations were taken before a Magistrate and signed, and the same day the articles were redeemed on payment of the loan and interest—subsequently Mr. Mills called and produced the ticket of the umbrella and wished to redeem it—we had not got the umbrella—I believe Mills destroyed the ticket.

Crass-examined by the prisoner. I did not tell you to sign the ticket "Viney"—I have no recollection of Mrs. Smith paying me the 2s. 6d.—the

tickets had been left a few days previously in place of 2s. 5d., and you then came with Mrs. Smith and asked for the tickets to be given up to you, and I received 2s. 5d. from Mrs. Smith and gave her the tickets—when you pledged the bracelet you gave the name of Clara Viney—to the best of my belief it was you who brought these declarations and took away the articles—I did not tell you to sign "Viney" because the bracelet was pawned in that name, we merely asked the person to sign.

THOMAS MILLS . I am proprietor of the New Stag, Haymarket—I know the prisoner as a customer—in the early part of this year she asked me for the loan of 2s.—I said "I don't lend money"—then she produced this ticket and asked me if I would take care of it, and let her have the money, and she would return me the money in the evening and take the ticket away—I then gave her the money and took the ticket, and I have not seen her since until now, and I have never been repaid my money—I have destroyed the ticket.

Cross-examined. You had a young man with you, but I am not positive whether he handed me the ticket or it came out of your own hand.

WALTER REEVES (Detective). On 11th October, about 11 p.m., I saw the prisoner detained at the Marylebone Police-station, and read the warrant to her—she said "It is not true"—the warrant was for making a false declaration on two pawn tickets.

WILLIAM COLEBROOK (Policeman D 61). I am one of the warrant officers at Marylebone Police-court—I know Mr. Cook's, the Magistrate's, handwriting; these two declarations are signed by him.

The Prisoner's Defence. Smith is doing it out of spite. She wants to obtain money from me. When I went for my tickets she refused to give them to me. When I asked her for the tickets she said she had lost them. Do you think I should take the trouble of going and making an affidavit if I thought the tickets could be had.

GUILYT †— Three Months' Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Tuesday, November 1st, 1887.

Before Mr. Recorder.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1064
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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1064. JAMES ROBERTSON, Causing bodily harm to James Robert Hill, by wanton and furious driving.

MR. COLE, Junior, Prosecuted; MR. GEOGHEGAN Defended.

JAMES ROBERT HILL . I live at 15, Cornwall Road, Stratford, and am a clerk at Messrs. Smith and Sons—on 3rd May, about 6.10 p.m., I was crossing the road at Queen Victoria Street, and nearing the rest close to the cab stand, when I was struck and knocked down—I afterwards saw a Hansom's cab being stopped by a policeman—the road was quite clear when I crossed—I heard no shout—afterwards I found myself in the road, with my thigh and left shoulder-blade broken—I was picked up and conveyed to the hospital on a stretcher—I remained there till 15th July.

Cross-examined. Since coming out of the hospital I broke my leg in my garden.

WILLIAM NATION (City Policeman). On 3rd May I saw the prosecutor in New Bridge Street about 6.10 p.m., crossing the road from Angus's Hotel to the rest in the centre of the road—just before he reached the

rest a Hansom's cab came up Queen Victoria Street at a very sharp pace, 9 or 10 miles an hour, and turned into New Bridge Street, and struck Hill on his left shoulder by the off-hand shaft and knocked him down—I have had 7 years' experience in regulating traffic—the cabman never called out or attempted to pull up, either before knocking him down or afterwards; that is why I stopped the cab—I said to the prisoner "Why do you drive in that manner?"—he said "I have a fare, I am going to the station"—I took his number and let him go on—I then went to assist the prosecutor, and found he was very seriously hurt—I got a stretcher and conveyed him to St. Bartholomew's Hospital—I applied for a summons against the prisoner—he came short round the corner and shot by the small rest, which is very narrow.

Cross-examined. There are three streams of traffic at the spot; one from Bridge Street, one from the Embankment, and one from Queen Victoria Street—the road was clear—I did not speak to the gentlemen in the cab—I did not know they were foreigners—I was off duty and was going home—I only saw the cab about 150 yards off—the prisoner produced his licence at the police-court—I made no inquiry about him—he told the Alderman he had been driving a cab for 12 months, but had driven a pair of horses before that—some cabs were on rank—the breast of the horse first touched the prosecutor and then the shaft, and he saw thrown round.

GEORGE PIPER (City Policeman 407). On 3rd May I was with Nation in New Bridge Street about 6.10 p.m.—I have heard his evidence and corroborate it—the cab was going 9 or 10 miles an hour.

Cross-examined. I had the same opportunity of judging as he had.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "It was purely an accident, and unavoidable as far as I can see."

Witness for the Defence.

FREDERICK TARLTON . I am a cab driver—I have my licence—I had known the defendant previously—at the time of the accident I was standing with the first Hansom on the rank in New Bridge Street with the head towards Blackfriars Bridge, when I saw the defendant's cab come out of Queen Victoria Street and turn round into New Bridge Street on the near side—the defendant holloaed out—an elderly gentleman was crossing the road—the horse did not knock him down, but the off side shaft hit him; he was about 7 yards from the rest, when struck; that is about half the distance between me and the learned counsel (About three yards)—I have been a driver and conductor in the streets of London for 15 years—the cab was going 4 miles an hour.

Cross-examined. I know the district well—the prisoner was driving round the curve.

The prisoner received a good character.

GUILTY .— Judgment respited.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1065
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1065. JAMES HARRIS (25) , Robbery with violence on Francis William Knill, and stealing from his person 2s. 6d., his money.

MR. DILL Prosecuted.

FRANCIS WILLIAM KNILL . I live at 22, Houghton Street—on Saturday night, 15th October, between 8 and 9 o'clock, I was walking across Queen Street, towards Drury Lane, and heard quick steps behind me, and then received a blow on my head, which knocked my hat over my eyes; I was then pushed up a passage leading to a lodging-house

called the Sugar-loaf Chambers; my arms were pinioned—I had 2s. 6d. in my left pocket, and about 6d. in coppers in my right, and a latch-key, which was taken from me—my arms were then released, and I lifted my hat in time to see the prisoner taking the things out of my pocket—I saw another man, but he had his back towards me; I could not identify him—they both then ran up the passage then towards the Sugar-loaf lodging-house—I made no noise but went in search of a constable, and found two within a minute of the time I left the passage—we then went together to the Sugar-loaf; we went down into a kind of cellar, and saw the prisoner sitting on a form, with his hat tilted over his eyes, and said "That is one of them"—he immediately rose to his feet, although he seemed to be asleep, and said "Not me;" I said "Yes, you"—I was perfectly sober.

Cross-examined. The constable with the dark beard came into the kitchen first and said to me "Do you see anyone here you know?" and I walked round the kitchen, and said "That is one"—I did not walk round the kitchen once and then come back again and say "I cannot see anybody."

Re-examined. I have not the slightest doubt the prisoner was one of the men.

ANDREW BATES (Policeman ER 14). On 16th October, between 7 and 8 p.m., Knill came to me, and in consequence of what he said I went with him to the cellar of the Sugar-loaf lodging-house, where he identified the prisoner at once and gave him in my custody—I told him he would hare to go to the station with me—he said "All right, I will go; I have not been out to-day"—Knill was quite sober—there were about 30 men in this kitchen.

GUILTY .— Nine Months, Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1066
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1066. CHARLES MANNING (33) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of William Arbuthnot with intent to steal.

MR. DILL Prosecuted.

WILLIAM LAKE . I live at 8, Portland Place, and am a footman in the employ of Colonel William Arbuthnot—about 1 a.m. on 28th September last I was awoke by a noise at my windows, which look out into the area of 8, Portland Place—I saw the prisoner outside—he opened both the windows—he was at the window nearest the area-door when I was first awoke, and the blind had been taken down—he put his hand inside the window nearest the area-door and struck a match—I did not see his face then, but I did both before and after—I have no doubt the prisoner is the man—he went from that window and I quietly got out of bed and called the butler, and about a quarter of an hour afterwards the prisoner was brought back to the house by a policeman.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I was sleeping between the two windows and I looked up and saw you—the blind had been taken off the roller—there was a light in this room from the lamplights in the street—the man standing outside the window was a short man like yourself, and I should know him again 40 times—there are trees and shrubs in this garden—I called the butler about five or six minutes after I was awoke, as soon as you went away from that window, so that you did not see me—I did not see the remains of any match next day—I leave these windows open a little at the top so as to have a little air, as there is no fireplace in the room—I was perfectly sober that evening—the bottoms of

these windows are barred, but there is room enough for anyone to get in—, there are two bars inside and the outside bars fasten into the brickwork—I saw you at the window before, but I thought I would make no disturbance about it—then I made a complaint to the police and gave a description of you—I disturbed the person and asked him what he was doing and he went away instantly.

WILLIAM KENT SIMPSON . I am butler to Colonel Arbutbnot, of 8, Portland Place—about 1 a.m. on 28th September Lake came and spoke to me as I was sleeping in my pantry—I at once slipped an Ulster and some slippers on, crept quietly to the area door, listened and heard some one in the area, and as I was undoing the door, which was bolted and chained, I heard something drop on the pavement like a bottle or tools—I crept out and went down the side-path and saw the prisoner coming out of the shrubs—I swung round, shut the gates, and then said "Halloa, what are you doing here?"—he said "Just for convenience"—I said "That tale won't do for, me," and shouted "Police! burglars!" and ran to the carriage-gate, and the prisoner rushed through the shrubbery towards No. 6 garden—he was wearing a hat—I heard him in the trees and heard him drop on to the stones in Portland Place and saw the porter at the Langham Hotel take hold of him—the porter knew my voice and he told something to a cabman who had just set down a tare—I heard the porter say to the prisoner "Halloa, what are you doing in those premises at this time of the morning?" but I did not hear his answer—the porter also said "Where is your hat?" and he said "What hat?"—the prisoner had no hat then—I afterwards saw a constable find a had on a tree in the garden of No. 6, just by where a small branch had been broken off—I saw the windows of Lake's room—the roller-blind had been taken off and put on the ledge.

Cross-examined. It took me about four minutes to put on my trousers and Ulster—I saw no one in the area; I looked round and opened the dust-hole door to see if anybody had been there, and then saw that a nuisance had been committed in the area—I saw you in the garden going towards Portland Place, you were about six feet from the railings—I was about three yards from you—the person I challenged in the garden replied that he had come there for convenience, and a nuisance had been committed in our area—the gates are left open for the police to go in during their rounds.

JOSEPH FBISKNET . I am door-porter at the Langham Hotel—about 1 a.m. on this morning I heard calls of "Police" and ran to No. 8—I saw Simpson, who said "Send a cab for the police"—I then saw the prisoner drop from the gates of No. 6 and run in the direction of Langham Place; I ran after him and caught him—he had no hat—I said "What do you mean coming out of enclosed premises at this time of the morning without any hat?"—he said "What hat?"—the police arrived and he was given in custody—the police asked him where his hat was, he said "This man has got it," meaning me—he ran about 50 yards.

Cross-examined. A gentleman in a high hat was with me when you dropped over the gate—I will swear you are the person who came over.

FRANK BEALE (Policeman D 444). About 1.10 a.m. on 28th September I was fetched by a cabman to 8, Portland Place, and I saw the prisoner detained by the last witness outside No. 4, he was given into my custody—I

asked him what he was doing there; he seemed confused and made no reply—I then took him back to the house to see what had been done, and found both windows had been pulled down as far as they could be—Lake, in the prisoner's presence, said some one had been there before, but he did not say, the prisoner—at the station he refused his name and address—I found a pocket-book and some matches on him—the charge was read over to him, and he said "It is a mistake."

ROBERT DARCH (Policeman D 421). At a little after I o'clock on 28th September I saw the prisoner outside 4, Portland Place without any hat, and asked him where his hat was, he said "I don't know"—I searched and found a hat in the shrubs between Nos. 8 and 6, and the shrubs were broken and there were footmarks underneath—I took the hat back to the prisoner and asked him if it was his, he said "Yes, that is the hat the gentleman took off my head and threw over the railings"—it would. he impossible to throw it from the street to where I found it—I examined the house and found the windows pulled down and the blinds removed.

Cross-examined. At the station you did not say the hat did not belong to you, you only said it was broken—I got into this garden by getting over a wall.

WILLIAM LAKE (Re-examined by the Prisoner). The man was wearing a hat when I saw him.

The prisoner in his defence tinted that he only went into the area for convenience.

GUILTY .— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1067
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1067. JOHN ECKERSLEY (23) , Robbery with violence on Albert Thomas Pettifer, and stealing a watch and chain, his property.

MR. SIMMONS Prosecuted.

ALBERT THOMAS PETTIFER . I am a dairyman, of Gore Lodge, Turnham Green—on 1st October about 5 p.m. I was walking from the direction of the Law Courts towards Charing Cross Station, and when I got near St. Mary's Church I met a dozen or 15 men, some of them passed me on the left and some on the right and surrounded me, so that I could not proceed—I immediately felt a tug at my watch, and looked down and saw my chain broken and part hanging from the pocket and part from the button-hole—an indiarubber ring at the bottom of my chain prevented the watch coming out the first time—the prisoner then caught hold of the piece of chain hanging from the pocket and gave it a tug and pulled the watch out and held it in his hand, and a number of hands were held up and it passed through two or three hands—whilst he held the watch out I seized him by him muffler and his coat and said "You rascal, you have got my watch;" he immediately began to struggle to get away and struck at me several times, and then I received a blow on my left arm and one on my right arm, and a blow on the cheek-bone which gave me a black-eye for a fortnight—the prisoner did not do that—I was kicked on my legs, back, and hip, not by the prisoner, but he kicked me on my shin in the struggle—I held him till his coat tore down the back and then he ran away; I cried "Stop thief," and never lost sight of him; he ran into a policeman's arms and they both went down on the ground together and rolled over—this bar (produced) is a similar one to that which was attached to my chain—I did not notice the prisoner as the men approached me, as there were so many, and they were so much alike—it was a gold watch; I have not recovered it; I value it at 10l. at least.

Cross-examined. You did not say when I seized you, "You have made a mistake:" there were shouts from the crowd of "Let him go," and they were hammering at my arms—there were about 15 in the gang—the piece of chain hanging to the bar was taken by another man.

HENBY HODSON (Policeman E R 34). On October 3rd I was on duty near St. Mary's Church, and saw the prisoner suddenly burst out of a crowd and run towards me; there were cries of "Stop him," and I rushed into the road; he ducked his head with the intention of butting me, but I succeeded in getting him, and we rolled over in the road—the prosecutor came up and charged him with taking his watch and chain, and a little boy gave me this bar, which was found in the road where the prisoner was taken—the left-hand seam of the prisoner's coat was torn—I took him to the station—when he was charged he said "I am stoney broke," meaning hard-up.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I was coming along the Embankment. There were about 50. The soldiers turned us up into the Strand. These young men, about 50 or 60 of them, surrounded, every one, and I saw this gentleman's watch taken. A gentleman seized me and said 'You have taken my watch.' I said 'No, I have not.' I did not want to get locked up, so I tried to get away."

GUILTY .— Six Months' Hard Labour.

THIRD COURT.—Tuesday, November 1st, 1887.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1068
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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1068. JOHN ALLEN (38) , Feloniously wounding Arthur Hill, with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

MR. SCUDAMORE Prosecuted.

ARTHUR HILLS . I am a greengrocer of 24, Murray Street—on 5th October I was in my stable, adjoining my shop, when the prisoner, who is quite a stranger to me, came in with another man and took my stable-brush out; I went out and asked him for it—he said "You are a b—old s—, and I will pay you"—he gave me a blow on my right eye—I hit him back once, somewhere about his body—he went on knocking me about—he knocked me down backwards and fell over me, and then he bit part of my ear off and went off—the two of them were paying me—I never saw the prisoner before that I am aware of—a woman was there too; she bit me across the head with a shutter, but I let her out—she was not locked up—Joseph Allen, the other man, might have given me a blow or two—the woman hit Joseph with the shutter; they were all fighting; my son was called out, and then he took one away.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I got you by the collar—I did not kneel on your chest; I was at the bottom—I could not strike you more than once; you were both on me—a window was broken when you bit my ear off—five of them were not on you—I am not suffering much pain now; I did at the time—a doctor was called to the station and dressed my wound; he has done it since—it will be dressed to-morrow.

ARTHUR HILLS, JUN . I am the prosecutor's son—on 5th October I was having my tea in the shop-parlour, and was called outside and saw the prisoner and his brother knocking my father about—I asked him to stop it—Joseph said they would kill me, and strnck me on the mouth—I protected

myself as well as I could, and I saw the prisoner fall on my father on the pavement—when my father got up his ear was partly gone.

Cross-examined. I did not strike you in the face when I was fighting with your brother—I did not say when you asked me to stop the fighting "Yes, we will stop the fighting, you are just the people we want to pay"—I knocked Joseph down.

By the COURT. The fighting was all over before the police came; they saw nothing of it.

WILLIAM LUMLEY (Policeman G 158). I was on duty in Murray Street—on 5th October I was called and took one Allen, and another constable took the other—I saw the prosecutor had lost part of his left ear, and the prisoner at that time had blood running out of the sides of his mouth—he was taken to the station and charged, and the prosecutor was seen by the doctor—the prisoner said, "I did not do it."

HEWITT OLIVER . I am divisional surgeon of police—I was called to the station, and examined the prosecutor on 5th October—he had lost a portion, of his left ear—the missing piece would measure 2 inches long and two-thirds of an inch broad—I think it had been bitten off—I think the teeth had caught hold of the ear, and then tugged at and pulled it off—I do not think it could have been caused by a cut from a pane of glass. The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "The prosecutor was on top of me, holding me by the neck.

GUILTY **— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1069
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1069. SYDNEY SMITH (23) and CHARLES FREDERICK HUDSON (17) , Unlawfully attempting to commit an abominable crime; Second Count, committing gross indecency.

MR. MUIR Prosecuted; MR. H. AVORY defended Smith.


OLD COURT.—Wednesday, November 2nd, 1887.

Before Mr. Recorder.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1070
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > with recommendation
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > hard labour

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1070. ARTHUR EDWIN BAYLIS (34), RICHARD KERSLAKE (24), WILLIAM CHURCHILL (24), and SAMUEL BUSY (64) , Stealing 9 cwt. of carpet, the goods of John Maple and Co., the masters of Baylis, Kerslake, and Churchill.

MESSRS. GRAIN and HUTTON Prosecuted; MESSRS. BESLEY and BODKIN appeared for Busy, and MR; TAYLOR for the other prisoners.

----BLUNDELL. I am one of the buyers to Messrs. Maple and Co.—the prisoners Kerslake, Baylis, and Churchill were their carpet porters—on 6th October, as I locked up the premises, I saw four or five men in a corner of the warehouse; Kerslako and Churchill are two of them—they had finished work, and seemed to be waiting—they saw me as I passed—I saw two of the witnesses, Tomkins and Barrett, come out of the corner—after they had gone I found these pieces of carpet (produced) concealed in the corner, behind other carpets, in the fixtures—they have been sewn together since, being all the same pattern; they are not cuttings—I gave instructions to Botting.

Cross-examined by MR. TAYLOR. We have more than 14 or 15 carpet porters—one or two of them hang up their coats in that place—I did

not see Kerslake and Churchill kicking a piece of carpet; they were simply standing waiting.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. Mr. Regnart is a partner in the firm, he knows more about it than I do—I know nothing about the carpet department; I am only a furniture buyer—I have not invited any carpet dealers to come and identify carpets—I know Mr. Isles by sight; I should not receive cash from him.

HUBERT BOTTING . I am a salesman to Messrs. Maple—on 6th October I received instructions from them, and on a Friday morning I secreted myself in the basement of the warehouse—the men came to work at 8 o'clock, and I saw a man named Barrett, and "Kerslake, Baylis, and Churchill—two of the prisoners, I don't remember which, went with Barrett to the fixtures, and put their hands at the back, and Baylis said "He looked up last night; I don't think he found out Anything; I walked by Mr. Blundell"—Churchill said "Yes, and I followed you"—I communicated what I heard to Mr. Blundell.

Cross-examined by MR. TAYLOR. They went there to hang their hats and coats up—Hanks came afterwards and said to Barrett, "I kicked it in with my foot as far as I could."

CLARE HENRY REGNART . I am one of the firm of John Maple and Co., of Tottenham Court Road—small pieces which are cut off carpets in laying them down are called cuttings—these small pieces (produced) might fairly be termed cuttings, but not these others—it is frequently necessary to cut carpets which have been planned while laying them down, but with stair-carpets we send a long roll, cut off what we want, and the rest is sent back and put into stock—the carpets are made at the warehouse, and the large pieces which are cut off are selected and tied in a bundle, and weighed, with the customer's name attached to them, and sent to him a week or so after the delivery of the carpet—the smaller pieces are collected and thrown into a box, and sold periodically, at 20s. a cwt.—those pieces are called rags—none of our porters have any right to dispose of anything, not even the rags; they Lave no perquisites at all—on 7th October I went with detective Morgan to Busy's shop in Castle Street, Oxford Street; his name is on the facia, and there was a red ticket in the window, "Cuttings bought"—we went into the back parlour, and saw a pile of carpet-cuttings about 6 feet long and 4 feet high, all perfectly flat—I said "This is what I want"—Busy was there—alter turning over a few I met with seven or eight pieces of one pattern, which I laid aside—I went through the whole pile, and laid aside all these pieces, which were in clusters of seven, eight, or ten, to which Morgan called Busy's attention—we then went into the warehouse, and Morgan asked if he had others—he pointed to a quantity which was all secondhand—I pointed to several bales of carpet, and asked what they were—he said that they were new—I suggested leaving them that night and coming back to-morrow—before we left Busy said, "I buy carpet-cuttings in the regular way over the counter, and ask no questions"—I went there again on the 8th, with Morgan—Busy was not there—we opened the other bales and found the same kind of pieces, and invariably from seven to ten layers together—these have been sewn together since (produced)—whatever we stitched together had been cut from the same piece—these have all come off one carpet, and these pieces of stair-carpet, 14 to 16 inches each, were one continuous roll—the first

150 lbs. taken away was about one-seventh of the pile I described; they are our property, and are all new; some of them have our name on them—manufacturers have made for us and had some over in consequence of some defect, but they have offered them to us, and we have never refused them—we found other carpets in the same position as our own, and which, if pieced together, would be like these—here are 2 1/2 yards of carpet which has not been cut at all—stair-carpet is never cut so as to make cuttings—I found over the doorway a number of cans of linoleum solution for sticking linoleum to floors; some of them have labels, or portions of labels—they are all our property; 24 of them have had the labels taken off—no one had authority to sell them—I found two sheets of brown paper among the carpet pieces, with our name on them—Busy said "Old carpets and remnants I only buy of principals, and I have invoices for them"—the name and address of the customer is put on the tin, and, if it is not wanted, the man does not bring it back; we send for it—these men have been in our employ four years or more.

Cross-examined by MR. TAYLOR. I do not know that Baylis came with six years' good character—I have known Churchill from a lad; his character has been good—I have known Kerslake from live to seven years; his brother recommended him—Folkes has been with us some years.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. We are the largest dealers in carpets in London; we furnished the Hotel Metropole and other large hotels in London and the country, but we do not sell carpet to the trade except to, America—in planning a room pieces taken out for the hearth and other odd pieces would be cuttings—we do not cell cuttings so often as twice a month unless we are very busy—we fix the price for them on January 1st—Busy did not mention lies as a person he bought of—I did not see the words "rag merchant" up—the pieces are sold to persons who make carpet slippers and carpet Dags and other articles, and I suppose that is the way Mr. lies makes his living—I have never seen Busy at our place, and did not know him by name—there was an immense quantity of old stuff on his premises—the Brussels pieces taken away next day weighed 5 cwt. 3 qrs. 23 lbs., and the remnants 2 cwt. 19 qrs. 24 lbs.—I left to Morgan the calling on dealers and upholsterers—Hampton's man and Harvey and Nicholls' man were at Busy's on the 9th—we took away 150 lbs. on the 7th and some more on the 8th—a man named Morrell makes the linoleum solution—the selling price of it is 1s. 3d.; every one who sells linoleum uses it—many persons do not require the cuttings to be returned—this piece with our name on it came from Busy, the mark is quite indelible—it is contrary to our arrangements to sell a piece to an upholsterer.

Re-examined. If a clever workman uses two pots of solution instead of three, it is not his duty to bring the third back, but to tell us and we send for it—it is not his duty to sell it—the prisoners were not employed in the linoleum department.

ALBERT FOLKES . I am a carpet porter employed by Messrs. Maple—Baylis, Churchill, and Kerslake were also carpet porters there—it was. part of our duty to put away the carpets after they had been shown by salesmen to customers—I have known Busy about 12 months, I was introduced to him by Walker, who was in Maple and Company's employ—the prisoners were employed in the basement, and I was employed

upstairs—I have taken pieces of carpet to Busy—I have taken them out of the warehouse by putting them in my trousers like this—we got the carpet out of the show-room—I have taken pieces once, twice, or three times a week, but sometimes we could not get any to take—I have seen Baylis take pieces about once or twice a week, and some weeks not at all—we had a regular place to go for it, behind the fixtures downstairs where the carpets were kept, and where the prisoners worked—I have also seen Kerslako take pieces of carpet like myself, perhaps twice a week—I have been doing this for about 12 months, Baylis has done it perhaps eight or nine months—I have also seen Churchill do the same as we all did, but I could not say how many times—five of us were doing it—the other one is Berwick—we took them to Busy—I have never seen any of the prisoners go there—sometimes some of us men would finish work earlier than others, and go out half an hour before the others—I have never gone out with Baylis when I have had anything, or when he has had anything—I sometimes saw Busy at his place, and, when I got there, I took the carpet out from my trousers and put it on the scale, and got 1s. for it or 1s. 3d.—he gave us 6d. a pound for it—I cannot tell who cut these pieces or put them behind the fixtures; sometimes I did it myself; I have not seen anybody else cut it—I did not take anything on 5th October, but I saw something done by the three prisoners on that day, on Wednesday I did take a piece of carpet; I was thinking of Thursday—I did not see either of the prisoners do anything, they were out at the time I did it—I got the piece of carpet from behind the fixtures in the basement, from off a short length of carpet which had come from upstairs—on the Thursday night I went to the fixtures—before the Magistrate I said, "I have seen Kerslake and Churchill cut up carpets, but not Baylis," that is so—this is also true: "On Wednesday 5th October the prisoners Kerslake, Churchill, Baylis, and myself each took a piece of carpet instead of putting it back, and we cut it up and each took a piece of it."

Cross-examined by MR. TAYLOR. We each have a room on different floors; Barrett was on the same floor with me, but not in the same room—there are several others on the same floor with me, but none of the prisoners—I have never been to Busy's with either of the prisoners—I have cut up these carpets two or three times, and it may be more—I said at the police-court "Walker first took me there; we took a piece of carpet with us"; I had stolen it from Messrs. Maple and Co.; since then I have been to Busy's twenty or thirty times within the last fortnight with pieces of carpet"—I cannot identify any of the carpet which is in Court and which was found at Busy's as that which I, took there—I do not know what Barrett took—what induced me to give evidence was became I could not got out of it—I was told to say everything I knew by Mr. Robert Blundoll—I was caught with my trousers undone preparing to put the carpet in—I have been in Mr. Maple's employ getting on for four years—before that I had been a waiter at the Falstaff Club; that was when I was a lad—I do not recollect telling Baylis that I had been discharged from there for trying to appropriate a cheque for 5l., it is not true: I went away from there because the Falstaff went bankrupt—I swear that I have not seen any of the prisoners go into Busy's—Barak has been on the same floor as I am, nearly as long as I have been there—I cannot say how long ago Walker left—I have had no conversation at

all about this case—I was not long with the four gentlemen who detected me; no conversation has taken place between us since—I expect nothing for this.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. Barrick and I were caught down on the basement floor—on all occasions when I took those pieces they were sold as cuttings, and were weighed in the open shop, and 6d. a lb. was always paid for them—from May till October Busy's daughter used to be in the shop sometimes, and sometimes the son—I cannot a wear I have not seen Busy there in the last six months; I have seen him there, but I cannot fix a time—I cannot swear that Busy was ever in the shop when I took the carpet from my trousers—I should have my back to him, and as far as posible I prevented him seeing where I took the carpet from, and also his daughter—I have seen lies taking away carpet from Maple's similar to what is here, but more mixed.

WILLIAM BARRICK . I am a carpet porter in Maple and Co.'s employ—I was in the habit of working in the same room as the last witness—I have been three years at Maples' last Easter—Kerslake and Churchill work in the basement—I have known Busy about 12 months—I won't be certain whether Keralake or Baylis gave me his name and address, they were both there at the time—I saw them take carpet round their waists, and they told me I could take it if I liked, and if I went to Castle Street to a man named Busy he would give me 6d. a lb. for it, and I did so—I got it from the corner in the basement where we used to hang our clothes—I have never gone with Baylis, I always went alone—I have sometimes taken two pieces and sometimes three—the largest piece I have taken was 27 inches long and 14 or 16 inches wide—sometimes we saw Busy at the shop and sometimes his daughter—we got 6d. a lb. for it—I have been doing this about 12 months—I have never cut it myself, but I knew of a sure place to find it, and I have had a hand in taking it down from the show room, but I have not seen it cut off—we used to bring it down and put it in the corner where we put our coats and hats; it was always in the same place—I took it away inside my trousers, round my waist.

Cross-examined by MR. TAYLOR. I was caught red-handed with Folkes, and was locked up in a room from half-past 10 till 12 o'clock before I consented to give evidence—I was formerly in the Aylesbury Dairy Company's employ, and I left to go to Maples' so that I could get out of Sunday work; I had been in their employ twice—when I left first they wanted to say I had been having some of the money, and then they took me on again, as they found I had not done it.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. Mr. Robert Blundell and Mr. Horace Regnart put us in the room and turned the key on us and they said I had better tell the truth, all I knew about it, and I told the truth—Mr. Regnart first mentioned about it being better to tell the truth, and we were locked up after that, and then about two o'clock he came up and I went through the premises with him, and then got in a cab and went to Bow Street—I cannot identify any of the carpet I took—I passed it over to Mr. Busy a out every three times out of five times a week—I always sold them as cuttings—I noticed a bill in the front window "Best prices given for white cuttings, flannel cuttings, coloured cuttings, &c."—Busy's name was not given tome an, a printed card, I was told it was in castle Street.

By the JURY. I did not give any of the money I got for the cuttings, to the person who cut them for me—I never looked at the patterns I took.

SAMUED EBENEZER WILLIS . On October 11th and 12th I went to Busy's shop with Morgan, and there found a lot of carpet, the property of our firm; they have not been sold to any one, they have gone out of our possession without being sold in a legitimate way—this (produced) is just as I found them—no one in our employ had authority to take these to Busy—I have never had any dealings to my knowledge with Busy, and I know nothing about him—they are all new carpets and have never been used—here is a piece five yards loner, and here is a piece of stair carpet.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. I said at the police-court "If any servant of ours sold the stuff and forgot to mark it off in the stock book I should call that missing it," for the time being it is missing—we have not charged any of our servants with stealing it, but it is quite possible for us to trace other pieces; it would be missing for the time being, but we should search for it—it has not been the case that a servant has sold it and put the money in the till and forgot to mark it off in the stock book; there would be a record of the sale over the counter, and we should say "Here it is, you have not marked it off in the stock book," and we should impose a fine.

WILLIAM CORRYDON . I am in the service of Harvey, Nicholls and Co., Knightsbridge—on 9th October I went to Busy's place and identified these pieces of carpet (produced) ranging from a yard and a half each—they are the property of the firm, and none of the servants had a right to dispose of them; they are not cuttings or remnants—we have carpets of the same patterns, and if we wanted a little more these pieces would come in.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. The last piece of a pattern is a remnant—50 persons, women and all, are employed in our carpet department—we had no suspicion of any one when I went to Busy's; I had made no complaint—these pieces have been stolen since October 5th, 1886—we had more of these pattens in our possession since January 31st; stock has nut been taken since that—the stock-keeper enters the sales, but under 10 yards would not appear in the stock book—there are 12 lengths here, I cannot tell you the weights—we sell remnants to customers—we send cuttings away twice a week, if we have sufficient, to Lenbury and Lyons, who sell them to persons who make carpet slippers and cricket and carpet bags—the price is fixed, 15s. a cwt. small, and 1l. large; I do not take details of the patterns.

WILLIAM COOPER (Detective Officer). I acted with Morgan; I took the weights of the carpet found at Busy's—they were, Maples' 10 cwt. 11 lbs., Hampton's 1 qr. 14 lbs., Harvey and Nicholls 1 cwt. 3 qrs. 17 lbs., Turberville's 1 qr. 15 lbs.—we brought away about 12 cwt. and left 3 or 4 tons behind of remnants, cuttings and pieces—Kerslake, Churchill, and Baylis were given into custody; all they said was "All right."

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. Busy's premises, 27, Castle Street, have on the facia "H. Busy," and in the window was, "New cuttings bought," and in the front "Best price given for new and old cuttings, horsehair, &c."

----MORGAN (Police Inspector). On 7th October, about 6.30, I took Busy and read the warrant to him; he said "I have not bought any carpet"—I said the warrant refers to a piece of carpet that you bought

of a man last Wednesday evening; these gentlemen are from Mr. Maple's, and they say that some men in their employ say they have sold from here several times—he said "We buy carpet cuttings over the counter and ask no questions; it is my legitimate trade, but carpet remnants I never buy except of the master man"—I asked if he would show me the carpet he had bought recently; he took me to a back room in the warehouse, where Mr. Regnart identified the carpet produced and a lot more—I took Busy to the station; he was charged and made no reply—two gentlemen alterwards attended and identified carpets.

Re-examined by MR. BESLEY. Messrs. Maple's carpet weighed about 10 cwt. 11 lbs.—I am positive I mentioned Wednesday at the police-court because the warrant mentioned October 5th which was Wednesday.

(Busy received a good character).


BAYLIS, KERSLAKE, and CHERCHILL— [GUILTY] Recommended to mercy by the prosecution.— Fifteen Months' Hard Labour each.

BUSY— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Wednesday, November 2nd, 1887.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1071
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1071. LOUIS HARRIS (28) , Unlawfully conspiring with Simon Harris, not in custody, to cheat and defraud the creditors of the said Simon Harris.

MESSRS. GEOGHEGAN and WOODFALL Prosecuted; MESSRS. COCK, Q.C., and A. GILL Defended.

HERMAN WAGNER . I am a nephew of Herman Wagner, a partner in the firm of Wagner and Gerstley, Continental merchants—on 12th May I delivered watches to Simon Harris and Co., of 24, Hatton Garden, value 23l. 5s.—I was present when the defendant ordered them—we supplied him with other goods, some on the same day, for which a cheque was given and honoured—Harris and Co. now owe us 94l. 2s. 6d.

Cross-examined. We had supplied the firm previously—the goods were sent to Birmingham—we have applied repeatedly for payment.

HENRY ALFRED STACEY . I am Superintendent of the Records of the Bankruptcy Court—I produce the file of proceedings in the case of Simon Harris, dated 28th June, 1887—the petitioning creditors are Wagner and Gerstley for 94l. 2s. 6s.—Simon Harris was never examined—Louis Harris was examined—Mr. Snell was the official shorthand writer—Simon Hams was adjudicated a bankrupt on 27th August.

FRITZ GORINGE . I represent the firm of Paul Calame and Co., of Hatton Garden, watch manufacturers—I supplied Simon Harris and Co., in May last, with some watches to the amount of 103l. odd—I saw at their office both Louis Harris and his father—I was paid by bill—I went again on 3rd June to 24, Hatton Garden—I supplied them with watches to the amount of 39l. 12s.—I have not had the goods returned, and do not know what has become of them.

Cross-examined. My firm have had transactions with Harris and Co. previously, since January—the bills given to me were accepted by Simon Harris only; I had satisfactory references—I knew they had carried on business for a number of years—Simon is an old man and in bad health.

Re-examined. Some of the bills have matured, one on 15th August and another on 4th September.

HENRY MASTERS . I am a watch manufacturer at Upper Well Street, Coventry—I know Louis Harris—I supplied the firm of Harris and Co. on 1st April with watches to the amount of 75l.—we have supplied goods to the amount of 504l. since December—we have never been paid—Harris and Co. have given six or seven bills of exchange—four or five have come to maturity and have not been met or renewed—I believe the first bill dishonoured was about the middle of June—the amount of goods supplied on 1st June was about 55l.

Cross-examined. I had known the firm some time and had done business with them amounting to between 2,000l. and 3,000l.—they had always been regular in their business transactions with me up to the time old Mr. Harris became bankrupt—I applied for the bill which was due I believe on 4th June, that was not paid—it was dated the latter end of December—there had been no irregularities in payment before June—we had generally been paid by bills, but also in cash.

PAUL EDWARD DUBOIS (Interpreted). I am a watch manufacturer, of Florida, and in Switzerland, and also in Hatton Garden—I knew Simon Harris and Co. when I supplied them with watches on 17th May to the amount of 48l. 3s., and on the 24th some more watches to the amount of 44l. 11s., and on 14th June to the amount of 55l. 14s.—I received three bills in payment, two at six months and one at four months—I have not seen the property since, and do not know what has become of them.

Cross-examined. The terms were agreed upon at the time the watches were supplied—I wanted cash, but they would not give it, and I accepted bills—the bill which became due in October was presented but not paid.

CHARLES EAVES . I am a watch manufacturer, of 1, Spon Street, Coventry—I know the prisoner—I have only seen him in my dealings with the firm of Simon Harris and Co.—on 2nd June I supplied that firm with 2,000 silver watches for 61l. 4s.—I had dealt with the firm before—the goods were paid for by this four months' bill (produced), it was sent from London with a letter—I was never paid for the goods—I have not seen them since, and do not know what has become of them.

Cross-examined. At the time of Simon Harris's bankruptcy the bill was not due—the firm had generally paid by bills, but sometimes cash—up to June the bills had been regularly met, and I had had no reason for complaining of the way in which the business of the firm was done—the bill coming due on May 4th for 64l. was met—I did not receive a printed notice signed by a solicitor of an assignment of Harris and Co.'s business to the prisoner—I received no notice about the firm.

GEORGE SEPWORTH HAWLEY . I represent in London the firm of John Hill and Son, of 35, Cow Lane, Coventry, watch manufacturers—the defendant called upon me last May for two gold watches—I drew up the invoice; this is a copy through a black paper impression—the value of the watches then supplied him was about 26l.—on 16th June we supplied him with more watches to the amount of 29l. 3s., for which I took the order—we have not been paid—we have called for payment two or three times.

Cross-examined. I sold the watches for my firm in Coventry, by whom the arrangements for payment were made—I sent the invoices, they are

headed "Hill and Son, 35, Cow Lane, Coventry"—the terms do not appear on the invoices.

Re-examined. I called for payment at the request of my firm the last time in june—they had done business with Harris and Co. for two or three years.

GEORGE BLAGRAVE SNELL . I am official shorthand writer to the London Bankruptcy Court—I was present on 20th July when the prisoner was examined and cross-examined—I saw him sworn by the Registrar—I took his examination in shorthand—the transcript on the file is correct.

Cross-examined. The prisoner was willing to give information about the business—in answer to questions he said that it had been in contemplation for some time, in consequence of Mr. Simon Harris's illness and age, to assign the business to him (The Prisoner), and that he knew nothing about his father's monetary matters or his financial condition—he also said of his father "I do not think he is insolvent at the present time; I was his manager and buyer for years, but I knew nothing about his financial or monetary matters at all; I knew absolutely nothing of them—on my oath I tell you I know nothing at all about it"—I do not recollect among so many cases, the evidence, but whatever is in the shorthand notes is correct.

WILLIAM AN WORTH ABEL REEVES . I am the manager of the Tottenham Court Road Branch of the Central Bank of London—Simon Harris, of 24, Hatton Garden, had an account there—the prisoner called several times just before April or early in April with reference to opening the account on behalf of Simon Harris and Co.—I discussed the terms with him—Simon Harris signed our book—I saw the prisoner in reference to discounting bills for Simon Harris and Co.—I saw Simon Harris and the prisoner with reference to the prisoner having authority to draw cheques and sign and endorse bills—I afterwards saw the prisoner several times with reference to the account, and to bills, some of which I declined to discount.

Cross-examined. The books would show the transactions—I have not the passbook here. (The transcript of the shorthand notes on the prisoner's examination and cross-examination on 20th July, 1887, containing the passages before referred to, was here read.)

HERMAN WAGNER (Further Cross-examined). I did not receive a circular like the one produced. (A notice of change of name of the firm of Simon Harris and Co., and of an assignment of the business to the prisoner)—I should probably have seen it if any member of the firm had received it. (The assignment of 16th June, 1887, from Simon to Louis Harris, recited a lease of 14th September, 1872, and assigned the same, also the trade, business, &c., at 24, Hatton Garden, and debts amounting to 1,600l., and 144 silver and gold matches at Dumfries, to Louis Harris, the consideration being 100l., cash received, and 700l. in four bills of 3, 12, 18, and 24 months, of 100l. each, and one bill at 36 months of 306l., drawn by Simon and accepted by Louis Harris.)

WILLIAM HARDING WOODS . I am the proprietor of the Bedford Head Hotel, Tottenham Court Road—I am well acquainted with the defendant—it is not true that he gave me 600l. or 700l. to keep for him, nor any money—he stayed at the hotel from the 15th to about the end of March, and one night since, and he was taken in custody at 8 a.m.

Cross-examined. He has stayed at the hotel five or six times—I

keep a safe, and property is occasionally handed to me to keep charge of in it—it is sometimes brought to me by the customers, and sometimes by the waiters—I do not take a sealed parcel or envelope unless I know the contents of a parcel—I had a waiter named Craber, and two years ago had one named Henry—I eater the number of the room; not the name of my customers.

WILLIAM GROOVER . I am head waiter at the Bedford Head Hotel—I know the prisoner—he slept there in September—I cannot tell the dates when he slept there previously; not after 15th April.

Cross-examined. He asked once to see Mr. Woods, and gave him a pocket-book—he saw Mr. Woods—I do not remember taking an envelope from Mr. Woods to him—I sometimes take things from the customers to Mr. Woods to take care of—they are enclosed—a receipt is given—I do not remember anything but the pocket book—that was in March—Mrs. Goodman was at the hotel the latter end of March for one night—there are three besides me—we keep a book, but not for names—the book would show when a gentleman was staying there at night.

Re-examined. The prisoner did I not tell me the contents of the pocket-book—that was the end of March—he asked to see Mr. Woods, as he wished to have a pocket-book locked away.

ALFRED THOMAS CURLE . I manage the Bedford Head Hotel—the prisoner was a visitor; he slept there in April—I have not seen him since—I never book names, but Simon Harris had an account which was not paid—I usually enter the number of the room—the account has been paid since by a friend.

Cross-examined. A waiter received it—I leave the hotel generally between 1 and 2 a.m., after finishing the bookings—the head or second waiter can let a room.

WILLTAM HARDING WOODS (Re-examined). I have heard the statement read by Groover—the pocket-book was handed to me in the evening—I asked what it contained, and the prisoner said there were only a few precious stones in it, and nothing of any particular value for me to give an acknowledgment for—I took care of it—that is the occurrence to which my head waiter referred.

Cross-examined. I never received money from the prisoner—I understood that money was meant when the question was asked me—if the pocket-book had been mentioned I should have said yes—I have not received parcels sealed, not as far back as November—I cannot fix the date—I believe it was about March 4th—I opened the pocket-book—it contained a few stones—I retained it till the next morning, when I handed it to him—I had not seen him before March—I do not note such a thing as taking care of a pocket-book in a book, but I give the person a receipt, which is given up on parting with the property—such a thing seldom occurs.

THOMAS HARRY CHARLES . In June and July I was managing clerk for Mr. Stire, the solicitor conducting legal proceedings for Messrs. Wagner—I produce a writ for 85l., issued on their behalf—on 7th or 8th June I served it on Simon personally—it is against Simon Harris and Co.—the prisoner was in the shop when it was served—I simply served it and went away, and did not stop to see whether he saw what was done—I asked Simon Harris his name when the prisoner was standing by his side—there was an appearance to the writ in person—I obtained judgment

under Order 14—I produce the judgment dated 23rd June—I issued execution—the Sheriff said that there was nothing to satisfy it—I am not aware that the judgment has been satisfied.

EDWARD JAMES ABBOTT . I am a chartered accountant of 77, Coleman Row, Birmingham—I was appointed trustee to the firm of Simon Harris on 30th August, 1887—this statement of account was furnished to me by the Official Receiver—I have received a few debts, amounting to 18l. or 2l.—I have received no stock in trade—I have received the four bills mentioned in the assignments, three of 100l., and the one due at 36 months—those are the only assets I have received—they are drawn by Simon Harris and accepted by Louis Harris.

Cross-examined. I went into the accounts as far as I was able—I can only tell you the amount of goods purchased—I have no books showing that the prisoner paid.

JAMES EWEN WALLER . I am assistant officer to the Sheriff of Middlesex—I took possession of the premises of Simon Harris and Co. of Hatton Garden on 3rd September—I found no stock there; not one watch nor any jewellry, merely some office furniture—I cannot give the dates when I made a return to the writ of Messrs. Wagner, but I was present when some watches were seized—they were not handed over to Wagner—we tried to get the furniture at Simon Harris's private house under a writ of fi. fa., but we had to withdraw because of other claims—Messrs. Wagner's claims were unsatisfied.

W.A. REEVES (Re-examined). I produce the pass-book of Simon Harris and Co.—the credit balance on June 1st was 106l. 3s. 1d.

PHILIP GEORGE CHAPMAN . I am a clerk in the Official Receiver's office—I produce these two statements of account, stamped with his stamp from his office.

E.J. ABBOTT (Re-examined). These statements of account were produced on behalf of the debtor, and handed to the Official Receiver. (These documents were objected to, as the prisoner was not a party to the proceedings, and the COMMON SERJEANT allowed the objection.)

GEORGE WEIDNER (Detective Sergeant E). On 9th September I went to the prisoner's house, 105, Oulton Avenue, and saw him there—I told him I had a warrant for his arrest—he asked me to step inside—it was Friday night, the Jewish Sabbath—it was getting dark—I went inside and commenced to read the warrant—I asked him if he had got a light—he said "No; it is against our rules to light a light to-night"—I took a box of matches from my pocket, and while I was striking a light he snatched the warrant from my hand, and handed it to a lady in the passage—I was assaulted, and the prisoner escaped—seven, including the prisoner, attacked me—I received information, in consequence of which I went next morning to the Bedford Head Hotel—I stationed myself outside a bed-room door; a waiter knocked; the prisoner unlocked the door and I took him into custody—I received a warrant, dated 15th September, for the arrest of Simon Harris, for that he being a bankrupt did unlawfully execute a fraudulent deed of assignment—I tried to take Simon Harris a dozen times at least, at all hours of the day, but I have not succeeded—there were four remands at Bow Street during the hearing of the case against the prisoner, from the 10th to the 29th; Simon Harris put in no appearance during that time.

WILLIAM A.A. REEVES (Re examined). I produced an unsigned

copy of the agreement entered into between Simon and Louis Harris; also produced 28 cheques drawn on the account of Simon Harris and Co., two of which are signed by Simon Harris and 26 by the prisoner.

MR. COCK submitted that upon this evidence there was not a sufficient case to go to the Jury. The COMMON SERJEANT concurred.


(There was another indictment against the prisoner for perjury.)

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1072
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1072. DAVID BOUGHTON (37) , Feloniously marrying Ann Wood-house, his wife being alive.

MR. HADDON Prosecuted.

RUTH BOUGHTON . I am the wife of Frederick Boughton, the prisoner's brother—I live at 15, Hope Street, Islington—on 22nd December, 1867, I was present at St. James-the-Great Church, Bethnal Green, when the prisoner was married to Ellen Cleaver—I and my husband signed the certificate as witnesses—I last saw the prisoner's first wife about twelve months ago last June, in Liverpool Road, Islington—I did not speak to her—I don't know if she is here, or if she is alive still—she wanted to speak to me, but I would not have anything to say to her—I was close to her, and have no doubt as to who she was.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I told you I had seen her, and you went to the place I saw her at.

ELIZA CAMERON . I live at 6, Garrett Street, Soho, and am married—I was present on 4th June, 1883, at the Registry Office, High Wickham, when the prisoner was married to Ann Woodhouse.

ANN WOODHOUSE . I live at 94, Rhode Street, Holloway—on 4th June, 1883, I was married to the prisoner at the Registry Office, High Wickham—I had known him about two months or a little over—he told me he was a single man and had never been married, although he had lived with a woman—a little over twelve months ago I heard through Ruth Boughton that he was married; I did not believe it—it was about July or Whitsuntide—I still continued to live with him—I gave him in custody on 18th October, as I did not want to live with him any longer—he had ill-treated me several times—I had no additional evidence about his being married—he has treated me badly—I wan a widow when I married him—I had several children by my previous husband, but none by the prisoner.

GEORGE WILLIAMS (Policeman Y 100). On 18th October I took the prisoner on this charge—he said "I know all about it"—when the charge was told him at. the station, and the certificate, read to him by the inspector, he said "That is quite right"—I produce two certificates. (Dated 22nd December, 1867, David Boughton and Ellen Cleaver, married at St. James-the-Great Church, Bethnal Green) This is the other. (Dated 4th June, 1883, David Boughton and Ann Woodhouse, married at the Registrar's Office, Wickham). I have compared the certificates with the register at Somerset House; they are quite correct.

The prisoner in his statement before the Magistrate and in his defence said that he had been informed that his wife was dead, and that he thought his sister must have been mistaken in the woman she saw.


24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1073
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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MR. HEDDON Prosecuted.

GUILTY on the Second Count. Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.—Thursday, November 2nd, 1887.

Before Mr. Recorder.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1074
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1074. JOHN SOUTH NICHOLS (31) , Embezzling the sums of 129l. 10s., 13l., and 14l. 0s. 5d., received on account of Joseph Phillips and others, his masters.

MR. GRAIN Prosecuted: MR. GEOGHGAN. and MR. ARTHUR GILL Defended.

JOSEPH PHILLIPS . I carry on business as a tobacco manufacturer and dealer in cigars, 112, Commercial Street, Whitechapel—the firm is Godfrey Phillips and Son—the prisoner entered our service at the beginning of March, 1886, as country traveller for the Eastern Counties district—his salary was fixed by agreement—this is the agreement; it is stamped. (Thin was dated 1st March, 1886, and was in the form of a letter from the prisoner, agreeing to an arrangement made that he should travel for six months at a weekly salary of 5l. and expentes, and a commission of 2 1/2 per cent, on sales of cigars and cigarettes, and 1/2 per cent, on tobacco.) I think there was another agreement after that—this cue in his writing. (This was dated 4th October, 1886, on similar terms, to 25th December next, and agreeing to forward on receipt all moneys collected by him.) This is another agreement signed by him, dated 27th June, 1887. (It was stated that the alleged embezzlements were previous to this latter date, and it was not put in.) His duties were to travel on the Eastern Counties ground, take orders from our customers, receive money and send it to us immediately—he had no authority to endorse cheques for us—we bank at the Shoreditch branch of the London and County Bank—in May last we had a customer at Norwich named Postal, who owed us a balance of 129l. 10s.—the endorsement to this cheque is in the prisoner's handwriting; that cheque was not sent to us—since the commencement of these proceedings I understand it has been paid in to the National Provincial Bank at peterboro', with 12s. 3d. in addition, and was passed through to our account at the London and County Bank, to cover 15 items which the prisoner sent up as having been received by him—the letter in which he sent it was dated 10th May, in his own handwriting—it was not sent to us in the ordinary way—these two receipts (produced) feigned "Nichols" are in the prisoner's handwriting. (These were receipts for 13l. and 14l. 0s. 5d.) We have not received either of those two sums—this letter is the prisoner's writing. (This was dated 1st August, 1887, in reply to letter from the witness, and stated that he had received from Postal the 129l. 10s., also 62l. 9s. from Mr. Norton, and if the witness would make out his commission account, he would call at the office to-morrow to balance.) I first heard from Mr. Postal himself that he had paid the 129l. 10s., and from Mr. Norton a day or two before 1st August—in consequence of what I heard from Mr. Postal, on 27th July I communicated with my firm, and wrote a letter to the prisoner, of which this is a copy: "As Mr. Postal disputes the amount of his indebtedness, we must ask you to attend here on Tuesday morning next without fail"—our chief

clerk wrote that letter, and it was copied in a book—the prisoner did attend on the 2nd August—as far as I can recollect I said to him "You are a nice fellow." or something of that kind, "robbing us like this"—he Said "Well, it is not much," something like that—he simply asked us to let him have time and he would pay everything; he would make restitution of everything; he would pay everything if we would let him have a little more time—we said that we could not compromise a felony; it would be all the same to us whether it was the 16th of August or 2nd August; however, we let him go out of the place—we refused to take any money from him—I only know of one other thing myself; that is a small account of Harrison's, about 10l.; I forget exactly—I did not know of any more—he said he had only taken the two items that he confesses to in his letter of 9th August, 62l. 10s. and 130l.—we have not received the 62l. 9s.—he said he was a very good fellow, but he went too fast in business, or something of that kind; he was very incoherent—his salary was paid regularly and his commission—we had written to him several times as to his non-remittance of moneys at the time he received them.

Cross-examined. I signed an information for a summons against the prisoner for embezzlement—the Magistrate committed him for forgery—we charged him with embezzlement and indirectly with forgery—we were represented by Messrs. Law is and Lewis at the police-court—they were there and examined me as a witness—at the time we took out the summons our bank was the London and County, Shoreditch—we had banked with the Central Bank of London, but not since November, 1886—I be lieve the prisoner banked with the National Provincial Bank, Peterboro Branch, I don't know it, I think he had an account there; I think he must have done, because we had cheques from him—I know there was an arrangement between the London and County and the National Provincial—at the time I took out the summons I did not know that the prisoner had paid the 129l. into our account—after he said he had paid us that money† went more carefully into the matter—he did not pay the cheque in to our account, he used the proceeds for his own purposes, to cover other defalcations—at the time he was before the Magistrate I did not know that he had paid the 129l. in to our credit—I made inquiries of the customer, not of the bank, why should I?—I heard about the cheque on 27th July—proceedings were taken at the police-court on 27th September first of all—the proceedings at the police-court were delayed on account of Mr. Lickfold not knowing something about the arrangement at the Court; he made a slight mistake—I do not know the date of our application for the summons; I waited till my father came home from his holiday, I did not care to take such proceedings without his knowledge—I do not know that the information was dated 12th September, it may have been—on the receipt of money or cheques the prisoner was to forward at once; cheques should be forwarded by post at once, and money when he could get paper to send through to us—he was either to pay loose cash into a bank, or get notes or a draft for it—he has once or twice sent us his own cheque for money, but we protested in a number of cases against his doing so—(Looking at a number of cheques handed in by MR. GEOGHEGAN) all these cheques are endorsed by our firm—we protested several times against his sending us his cheques—I think all these cheques are drawn by the prisoner on his own account in favour of our firm—the date of the first is 13th July, 1886, and the last is 24th December, 1886—there are fifteen altogether—it is possible

that eight more cheques were drawn by him in favour of our firm—it might not have been noticed at first, and perhaps we did not suspect what sort of a man he was—we are tobacco manufacturer, we do not deal in fancy goods—the prisoner was not travelling for another firm until 27th June this year; we permitted him to do so—that was not a firm in the tobacco trade, I believe it had no connection with tobacco—I do not properly know the name of the firm—I believe it was Wade of Leeds—from 27th June there was a new agreement with the prisoner—in one or two letters he asked for his commission—I do not produce any book showing his commission account settled up, we could do it—there is not between 60l. and 70l. owing him for commission; I think about 12l., not more—I do not produce any letters written by him to us stating the amount of his commission; he always had his commission before it was due—I don't know whether we have paid any commission account to him since April, I should say so—it seems that as late as July 8th he had been sending up his own cheques on account of money received for us; he would not do what we wanted—I allege that on the 1st or 2nd of August he confessed that he was robbing us—I was examined before the Magistrate on 20th September—we showed that letter—I answered the questions which the solicitor asked me—I daresay I have been in business twenty years—I understood the prisoner to plead guilty before the Magistrate—he raid that the 129l. had been paid in to our account—I don't know why I did not tell the Magistrate that he had confessed that he had robbed us—I thought it was sufficient, you cannot think of every thing at once; there was no use in our suppressing it—I did not know that I had a right to mention it; I did not know that I ought to do it—I did not know where the prisoner was at the time I applied for the summons, he was not in communication with our firm—under the new arrangement he was to have no travelling expenses after 27th June—he said he was getting 11l., 12l. or 13l. a week from the house in Leeds; consequently he had his travelling expenses, not from us—he was travelling mostly for that house, picking up an order for us now and then—he bad very good reasons for not wishing to leave us; he was with us since March, 1886—during that time he had not greatly increased our business, he had not been a good traveller, I mean that his work for us had not been remunerative—he certainly had not increased our business to the extent of 8,000l. or 9,000l. he had increased it a little, because we had no traveller on that ground before; he had not broken up new ground, I broke it myself—he got very few customers for us, I only know of one decent one, that was not Mr. Postal, I got him myself; it is not the case that he was not to pay over every day what he received, but to wait till he had sufficient—paper was to be sent at once; as to money, he was to wait till he could conveniently send it by paper.

Re-examined. From the inspection of our books he was about 260l. behind, I am not perfectly certain—in April he said that 12l. 5s. 6d. was the sum we had to pay him for commission; that is all we owe him—we suspected him of embezzlement in August, 1886; we suspected him of cooking the accounts—I was present at the police-court, the prisoner then reserved his defence; he was in the dock; he was represented by a solicitor—I heard the solicitor ask the Magistrate to deal with the case, at least I think I did, I would not swear it—Mr. Lickfold was there—the 129l. 10s. was paid in to cover about 15 items received by the prisoner from different

customers of ours; we have never received them, unless you call that receiving—we have not received those particular items, they amount to 130l. 2s. 3d.—this letter of 10th May is the prisoner's writing (Read: "Dear Sir,—I have paid in to the bank (Loudon and County)" 130l. 2s. 3d. Yours truly, J.S. Nichols")—that is the date of the 129l. cheque, that formed part of the 130l.

HENRY WALTER POSTAL . I am a tobacconist at Norwich, and am a customer of Phillips and Co.—on 10th May I gave this cheque to the prisoner in the form in which it is now, with the exception of the endorsement; it was passed through my bank on 12th May, and duly paid—I knew the prosecutor's firm before the prisoner came to me, he did not get me as a customer.

JAMES BALLARD . I am a tobacconist at Biggleswade, and deal with the prosecutors—on 13th May, 1887, I was indebted to them 13l.; the prisoner called on that day, and I paid him the 13l. in money, and he signed this receipt in my presence.

EDMUND CLARK . I am a tobacconist of Narrow Bridge Street, Peterborough, and am a customer of the prosecutors—on 4th June I owed them 14l. 0s. 5d.—the prisoner called on me that day, and I paid him that sum in coin, and he signed this receipt in my presence.


There were other indictments against the prisoner, which were postponed to the next Session.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1075
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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MR. GILL Prosecuted; MR. TAYLOR Defended.

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Thursday, November 3rd, 1887.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1076
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1076. FREDERICK DAVEY (32) , Stealing billiard balls and 6s. of Frederick Hugh Price, and afterwards burglariously breaking out of his dwelling house. Second Count, breaking into the dwelling house and stealing the goods and money.

MR. HEDDON. Prosecuted; MR. FRITH Defended.

FREDERICK HUGH PRICE . I keep the Washington Hotel, Belsize Park Gardens—the prisoner was in my service till I discharged him about two months ago—on 30th September I went to bed about half past 12, having closed my house—at 2 o'clock a.m. on October 1st I was called down by the police, who made a statement to me—in consequence of that I searched my house with them—I found a window open at the back, 6s. had been abstracted from the till, and I afterwards missed these two sets of billiard balls, which I value at 2l.—soon after the constable brought the prisoner in—he simply said that he had been locked in.

Cross-examined. I did not count the money in the till the night before, but I know there was 6s. in coppers—there had not been to my knowledge a raffle at my place that night—I did not know that the prisoner was in my house that night—I have no reason to doubt that or that he had had a good deal of drink—I have no reason to doubt now that he was locked

up in the bagatelle room—I did not get home till half past 12—the prisoner was in my employ about 18 months.

WALTER MATTHEWS (Policeman). At a few minutes to 2 o'clock on this morning I was on duty outside Washington Hotel, and I heard a man walking about inside; I looked through the glass door and saw by the light of the gas, which was keeping the coffee hot on the counter, the prisoner walk along inside the bar; he passed the gas, and then I heard him walk towards the till and take money there from—I waited till 74s. came—I said something to him, and then called up the landlord—we subsequently found the prisoner on the lead flat at the rear of the premises three doors down—74s. took him into custody, and I helped take him to the station—we found 8s. 0 3/4 d. coppers in his trousers pocket, a pocket book, and 23 pawn tickets—he was not drunk when we took him, he appeared to know what he was about.

Cross-examined. I have no doubt he had been drinking—the only light was that underneath the coffee urn—there is clear glass in the door at the top of the frosted glass—the man wan a short distance from the till, I could not say how far—he was not facing me when he took the money—I could not see him then—I could hear him taking it.

CRAWFORD HENDRICK . I live at 44, England's Lane, Hampstead, and am the wife of Charles Hendrick—about 2 o'clock on 1st October I was in bed at the back of the house just above the leads when I was aroused by hearing a noise behind the house—I got up and put up the window, and saw the prisoner on the leads under my window—I asked him what he was doing; he gave me no answer—some men were working under the leads, and the prisoner spoke to them through a window and asked them to let him out; he said he was Fred from the Washington—I said he must stay till the police came; I went up to wake my son, to go for the police, and by that time the police were coming over the wall—they took him into custody—later on that morning I found these billiard balls on the leads—I gave them to the constable.

Cross-examined. I did not know he had been employed at the Washington—the prisoner stood talking to the men a few minutes; he only had to speak down to them—I could hear him quite distinctly.

FRANCIS KEATING (Policeman S 74). I was with Matthews when he arrested the prisoner; he said he had fallen asleep in the bagatelle room—Mrs. Hendrick gave me these balls at 8 a.m.

Cross-examined. The prisoner was perfectly sober, and quite in possession of all his senses—he had been drinking.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I was drunk, and don't remember anything that happened."


He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony in January, 1881.— Six Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1077
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty; Not Guilty > unknown; Guilty > lesser offence; Guilty > unknown; Not Guilty > no evidence; Guilty > unknown
SentencesImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment > penal servitude

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1077. ALBERT EDWARD CHESHIRE (20), WILLIAM JOHN LITTLE (18), SARAH LITTLE (18), and SARAH TEW (51) , Breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Duncan Charles McKinnon and stealing two clocks and other articles. Second Count, receiving the same.


MR. JONES LEWIS Prosecuted.

MR. JONES LEWIS in the course of his opening speech referred to pawntickets found on the premises of one of the prisoners, relating to property not

included in the indictment. The COMMON SERJEANT, after consulting the RECORDER, ruled that evidence could only be given as to property actually on the premises, the words of the Statute (The Prevention of Crimes Act, 1871, 34& 35 Viet., c. 112) being "found in the possession."

MARY ANN JENNINGS . I live at 1, Summerfield Villas, Upper Holloway—the prisoners Mr. and Mrs. Little and Cheshire lodged with me from 28th July to 18th August this year, occupying two small back rooms—the two male prisoners have gone out at 7 and returned at 11, and they have gone out at 11 and returned at 4, on several occasions.

Cross-examined by William Little. I have seen you and Cheshire go out at those hours, and I have heard you come in—I saw you come in with bird—cages on several mornings—I swear I have seen you and Cheshire go out between 12 and 1.

Cross-examined by Sarah Little. I have seen your husband come in with parcels in a sheet in the morning.

HELENA GARDINER . I live at 21, Runton Street, Upper Holloway—Sarah Little and her husband and Edward Cheshire lived with me there from 18th to 25th August, all three together—they occupied two rooms—William and Sarah Little lived as man and wife.

Cross-examined by William Little. I saw you go out nearly every morning with your birdcages, between 11 and 12—you generally went out after tea, about 6 or 7, and you were always in, as far as I know, between 10 and 11 at night.

MARION MARRIOTT I am a housemaid in the employment of Mr. McKinnon, of Homewood, Fort is Green, Finchley—on the evening of 6th September I went to bed at 10 o'clock, leaving everything in the house safe, the doors locked, and the front parlour window shut and hasped; the glass was not broken—in the drawing-room were two clocks, a cruet-stand, and a wooden case—at about 8 o'clock next morning I went down, and noticed the front door tied up by a rope from the knob in the centre of the door to the pillar of the porch outside—that was not there the night before—on going into the drawing—room I found the window broken near the fastening, and open at the top part to allow a hand to get in and undo the catch—the bottom part was open—I missed these two clocks (which were in the drawing-room the night before), this biscuit-box, cruet-stand, and wooden stationery cabinet; they are my master's property, and were safe the night before—this top belongs to a pepper-box in the cruet-stand, and in my master's.

JONAS WATTS (Policeman Y 29). About 9.30 a.m. on 6th September I was with constable Buckle, in plain clothes, on duty in the Fairbridge Road, Upper Hollo way, about a mile and a quarter from Mr. McKinnon's house, when I saw Cheshire, Little, and Sarah Little passing along the Fairbridge Road in the direction of the Holloway Road—each of the male prisoners was carrying a bundle on his shoulder—when they got into the Holloway Road they separated—Little and his wife crossed the Holloway Road, Cheshire remained on the footpath—as I was going to take hold of Cheshire, Little took his bundle from his shoulder and placed it by the side of the road—I undid these wrappers, and found this black marble clock in this sack which Cheshire was carrying, and this other clock in this which Little was carrying—I took hold of Cheshire, and found this bag and cloak on his back—I took him to the station.

Cross-examined by William Little. You were carrying the white alabaster

clock—I did not stop you because we had no information about clocks being stolen, and we had the other prisoner to see after.

Cross-examined by Sarah Little. I went by you and caught hold of Cheshire—you were running away when I saw you.

By the JURY. No other property, only the ducks, were in the bundles.

WILLIAM BUCKLE (Policeman Y 454). About halt-past 9 on this morning I was on duty with Watts, in the Fairbridge Road—I have been in Court—I corroborate what he has stated.

Cross-examined by William Little. You were carrying the bundle with the white clock in—I swear you ran away—we had enough to do to look after the bundles and Cheshire, without catching you—he was only carrying one bundle.

JESSE ALLEN (Police Inspector Y). At 9 a.m. on 6th September I went to Mr. McKinnon's, and examined the premises—I found a rope had been tied from the pillar of the porch to the front door—a plank had been laid on the steps by the front door to the drawing-room window sill—that window was broken by the catch; there was a hole large enough to admit a person's hand—the top and lower sashes were open.

ELIZABETH WAINWRIGHT . I live at 4, Sun Row, Islington—Sarah Tew (the prisoner and the mother of Sarah Little) lives at 8, Sun Row, seven or eight doors from me—about 4 o'clock p.m. on 6th September I saw the two Little get on to the top of No. 8—after they had gone down I saw a basket of this kind, with something in it, on the top of the house—I gave information to the policeman, Walter Grigsby, and showed him where it was and he went up to the top of the house, and I saw him take it.

Cross-examined by William Little. I' swear I saw you and your wife on the roof.

By the JURY. The got through the window in the roof—I could see from my window, because mine is a very tall house, and I can look down on those small houses.

WALTER GRIGSBY . I am pensioned from the Metropolitan Police—I live at 19, May wood Road, Clapton Park—on 6th September, about 4 o'clock, in consequence of something Mrs. Wainwright said to me, I went to No. 8, Sun Row—the door was open—I went to the top of the house, climbed out at the attic window, which is on the top of the stairs, searched the roof, and behind the stack of chimneys found this market bag (produced) containing this cruet-stand with one cruet, I think the pepper cruet (it was without a top), in it, a biscuit box, and one saltspoon—I gave them to Inspector Mitchell—I had a most difficult matter to get through the window; it is a small window—when you get on the roof there is an abutment about three bricks high, and I walked along that till I came to this chimney stack—you could get out on the roof very easily if you stood on something—the houses are three stories high including the attics—this was the end house—I did not see the loose top of a pepper box in the basket.

FREDERICK MITCHELL (Police Inspector N). About 7 o'clock on 6th September I received from Grigsby this bag containing the cruet-stand with one vinegar bottle, the biscuit box, and the lid of a pepper box—I handed the things to Crags.

GEORGE CRAGS (Detective Sergeant Y). About 3 o'clock on 6th September I and Miller went to 8. Sun Row, Hoxton, where we saw Tew—I said "We are two police officers; we are going to take you into

custody for receiving a number of marble clocks, stolen from Holloway and Highgate"—she said "I have not had any clocks"—I said "We are going to search your place, and see what you have got in it"—we commenced to search; she handed me a box—Miller told her to put on her clothes; we took her into custody—we found nothing on her or on the premises relating to this charge—I went on the roof—Mitchell handed the bag and these things to me.

ELIZABETH REYNOLDS . I am female—searcher at Highgate Police-station—on 6th September, between 4 and 5, Tew was brought in,—I searched her and found this silver pepper box top (which fits the castor) in a false pocket tied on underneath, and independent of her dress.

CHARLES MILLER (Police Sergeant Y). I went with Crags to arrest Tew—I have heard and corroborate his evidence.

GEORGE CRAGS (Re-examined). I arrested William Little on 19th September in Holloway—I said "I am a police officer. I am going to take you into custody for being concerned with Albert Edward Cheshire in breaking and entering Homewood, Fortis Green, on 6th September, and stealing two clocks and a quantity of other property"—he said "I intend to tell the truth about it"—that was all he said at that time—he made a subsequent statement to me—the other cruet bottles were brought to the station by a woman who is in her confinement and cannot be called.

CHARLES MILLER (Re-examined). About 5 o'clock p.m. on 21st September I was with Crags, and saw Sarah Little in Old Bank Street Westminster—I told her we were police officers, and were about to arrest her for being concerned with her husband, a man named Cheshire, and her mother, in stealing a quantity of marble clocks at Holloway and Highgate—I was present before the Magistrate on the hearing of McKinnon's case; William and Sarah Little said something then.

William Little in his defence said that on the day Cheshire was taken Cheshire brought two clocks, a biscuit tin, and cruet—stand to the house about 8 a.m., saying they were his father's property, and asking Mrs. Little if her mother would pawn them; that she said she dared say her mother would, as she had pawned other clocks for his father's master; that they believed they were his father's master's, and that when Cheshire was arrested he was carrying both clocks. Sarah Little said rite would say the same as her husband, and added that her mother knew nothing of the things, except that she had taken them to her to pawn. Tew said that she did not know the things were stolen, and that she saw the top of the pepper box on her mangle, and put it in her pocket.

Sarah Little handed in her marriage certificate, and the COMMON SERJEANT thought the Jury should acquit her on the preemption that she acted under her husband's influence.



He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony in August, 1882. There were four other indictments against the prisoners for burglaries at different dwelling-houses and for receiving stolen goods. Cheshire

PLEADED GUILTY to these, and no evidence was offered against Sarah Little and Sarah Tew. The Jury were of opinion that Cheshire was led into it by Little.

LITTLE**— Seven Years' Penal Servitude. CHESHIRE— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

The COURT commended the conduct of the police.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1078
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; No Punishment > sentence respited

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1078. EDWARD VINE (24), HENRY VINE (22), and EMMA DAUGHTERS (24) , Breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Otto Held, with intent to steal therein.

MR. RODGERS Prosecuted.

ERNEST BEAVER . I live at 59, Ferntower Road, Highbury New Park—Mr. and Mrs. Held, who live at No. 55, went away from home on 17th September; I looked into their house occasionally, not every day—on 3rd October, about half past two, I looked through the glass and saw nothing, and on the 15th I looked there and saw sheets and things all rolled up in the front hall—I have a friend at 57, and I got through his landing with him and went downstairs to the garden door and let the policeman in.

WILLIAM KNOTT (Detective Y). On 5th October I received instructions and went to Ferntower Road—after going to No. 53 I went into No. 55—I found there that screws had been taken out of the lock of the area-door, and upstairs I found the lock of the wardrobe smashed and a large quantity of property in the front hall, all tied up in tablecloths, sheets, and blankets—I left the house that night at 11 and went back next morning with Constables Leightowler and Hatchett about a quarter—past five—Leightowler stopped upstairs in the drawing—room and Hatchett and I went into the breakfast—parlour and got behind the door and waited there—about ten minutes past 7 I heard someone pushing violently at the area-door three times—the third time the door gave way and I heard someone come in and close the door again and bolt it at the top and walk upstairs—I followed quietly and Hatchett followed me—when I got to the top of the stairs I saw Edward Vine with his hand on a bundle which stood on the top of another bundle in the front hall—he turned and caught hold of my throat, we struggled for a moment, and then Hatchett and Leightowler came to my assistance and we overpowered him—we stayed for about 10 minutes to see if anyone else came, and then Leightowler and I took Edward Vine to the station—on the way, outside the Clarendon public-house in Mildmay Road, between 200 and 300 yards away from the house, I saw a horse and empty van in charge of Daughters, who was sitting on the seat—I looked in the public-house but could see no man there—there was mud over the name of Stevens which was on the van, and the cover of the van was turned inside out; it had a different name on it because the place has recently changed hands—I said to Daughters "What are you doing here?"—I believe she said "Mind your own business;" I was in plain clothes—I took the name of the van—I conveyed Edward Vine to the station, leaving the woman sitting in the van—there was a very large quantity of articles in the hall.

Crow-examined by Edward Vine. I examined the door on the 5th; it was not bolted; it was half locked—a man could open it without anything in his hand, by pressing very hard, because the box of the lock was taken out—you went quietly to the station; two of us were with you—when we came to the van I may have said "I suppose this is the van"—I don't think you showed me the name; I was looking for it.

Cross-examined by Henry Vine. I cannot say I saw you that morning.

JOHN LEIGHTOWLER (Policeman J 427). On 6th October I went with Knott at a quarter-past 5 into the front drawing-room of 55, Ferntower Road—about 20 minutes past 6 I saw Henry Vine walk to the area-door; he remained there about two or three seconds and walked sharply away; I am

quite certain he is the man—about 10 minutes past 7 Edward Vine walked down the steps to the area-door, pushed the door three or four times, and then came in and bolted it after him and walked upstairs to the floor on which I was—Knott walked up behind me and he was apprehended—a quantity of articles were lying in the lobby that did not belong there—bundles of clothing wore there—I saw Henry Vine through a bow—window which has Venetian blinds—I could see through them without being seen—I did not walk behind Knott when he arrested Edward Vine; I was on the floor above.

Cross-examined by Edward Vine. I am certain your brother did not open the area-door—I saw you come down the area-steps—I did not see you at the door; you cannot see the door from the window.

Cross-examined by Henry Vine. When I came into the Dalston Police-court waiting-room, you were standing there among seven or eight others—I may have been there two or three minutes before that—I was not in the room before I recognised you—I could not see what you did down the area.

Re-examined. I am positive Henry Vine was the man that entered the front of the house and went down the area steps.

EMMA. STEVENS . I am the wife of George Stevens, of 2, Ferrer Street, Hackney Road, carman—on 5th October at eight o'clock p.m. Edward Vine came to hire a van for five o'clock next morning—I told him I could not let him have it till six o'clock—he said lie muse see someone outside to see if that time would suit him—he went out—there was another man outside, but I did not see him to identify him—Edward Vine came back and said 6 o'clock would do—he left me 10s. as a deposit—next morning the van was taken out about 6 o'clock and was brought back at 9 o'clock, three hours after, by my carman—Daughters was walking behind it—she asked for a coat that was in it and the money that her husband had left on the van—she said her husband was the man that hired the van—I told her I could not let her have the money as I did not know who she was.

Cross-examined by Edward Vine. I did not see you next morning when you came for the van—the van was washed on 1st August—dirty weather had made it muddy very likely, and very likely the name would have as much mud on it as any other part—I did not see the cover—I did not see who took the van out, my foreman told me.

Edward Vine. It is true I had the van; I took the van.

LUCY TURNER . I live with the last witness, whose husband is my uncle—on 5th October between eight and nine at night I saw Edward Vine standing at the doorway (he moved to let me pass out), and Henry Vine close by just outside the door—I saw Edward Vine speaking to Emma Stevens; Henry could hear all that was said.

Cross-examined by Edward Vine. Henry Vine could not be seen by Mrs. Stevens—he did not stand in the doorway, you did.

ROBERT BELTON (Police Inspector J). On the afternoon of 5th October I received information respecting 55, Ferntower Road and gave instructions to Knott—at 9 a.m. the following morning I saw Edward Vine detained at Dalston Station in the name of Thompson—I recognised him at once as Edward Vine—Knott gave me a description of the woman whom he had seen in the van; that description tallied with a woman whom I had seen in company with Edward Vine—next morning I was on a tram car in the

Kingston Road and I saw Daughters enter a public-house—I got off the car and arrested her—I told her I should charge her with breaking into the house 55, Ferntower Road—she said "I never broke into the crib, I waited outside with the van while Ted went in for the swag"—I took her to Dalston Station, where she said "We are not going to be put away innocent; I will tell the truth"—she then made this statement, which I read over to her and she signed it: "On Wednesday, my old man's brother, Henry Vine, came round to our house and said to Ted 'I have spotted a place at Dalston for a burst, will you come?' I said 'Ted, be careful, you will get into trouble.' We then wont out and had a drink, and Harry went away. This morning about 6 a.m. Ted woke me up (he had gone outside) and said Harry has given me the slip, you must come with me and do the job. We went in the van and he left me outside a public—house and told me to wait till he came back. The next I saw of him he was in the custody of two policemen passing by; one of them asked me what I was doing there, and I said 'Mind your own business.' They then took him away and I took the van back."—I then placed her in the dock with Edward Vine and read that statement over to him; he replied "It is true"—on the same day I went to 18, Huntingdon Street, Hoxton, and in a box in a back room occupied by Edward Vine and Daughters, with female apparel I found this silk neck—handkerchief, lady's satchel, silver bracelet and a number of other articles were also found by Detective Sergeant Brook well—I also found a certificate of the marriage of Robert Daughters to Emma Teesdale; I showed that to Daughters and she said "That is mine, it is the certificate of my late husband"—she is not the wife of Edward Vine, she is a widow—I showed her the handkerchief and the property we had found; she said "I know nothing at all about them"—I then showed them to Edward Vine and Daughters together—Vine said "They belong to my old woman." pointing to Daughters—"they were bought off the 16l. she received on her husband's death from the insurance"—they have all since been identified by the Helds as a portion of the stolen property—from the 7th to the 11th continuous observation was kept on Mrs. Medley, the mother of the Vines, in consequence of Daughter's statement, and on the night of the 11th I arrested her at Dalston Station on the eve of sailing for America—from what she said Henry Vine was subsequently arrested at Southgate—on the 9th I received from Mr. Held this chopper and knife—I afterwards examined the premises and found an entry had been effected by forcing back the catch of the back drawing-room window—the marks on the woodwork and felt would be such as would be caused by a knife of this description—the bottom screw of the front area door had been withdrawn and on the mat underneath I saw this knife picked up by Knott—on the 13th I received from Mrs. Held this handkerchief, which on the 14th I showed to Harry Vine—he said "That is mine"—he told me where he Rot it from—Harry Vine was apprehended in consequence of a telegram I dispatched to the local police at Southgate—I went over and took him from their custody on the 12th—I told him what he was charged with; he made this statement which I took down and signed: "On the Wednesday evening Ted came round to our lodgings in Kingsland Road and asked me to come out; I went—he said 'I have got into a place and I am going to hire a van to take away the stuff. I fell through a glass-house first, but afterwards got in all right.' We went to Fillon Street to

hire the van, but the woman at first refused to let him have it. He gave a reference to the landlord of the Ship public-house, and then she let him have it. He paid 10s. We then went to the Pavilion afterwards and walked about till 5 in the morning, when I gave him the slip, as I knew he was going to do the job and did not want to be with him."

Cross-examined by Edward Vine. We found your mother's address at your lodgings—your brother said you did it all—you told me he brought you into it and he said you brought him into it.

Cross-examined by Henry Vine. Your mother said she had used every endeavour in her power to keep you away from Edward, and she had partially succeeded—the landlady of the house where you lived said that both you and your mother said that if Edward came for you she was to say you were not in, that was because of a row about some property, you fought over the division of it—I think she said your brother came two or three times for you.

JESSIE HELD . I am the daughter of Mr. Held, the prosecutor—I live at 55, Ferntower Road—on 13th October I found this handkerchief between 11 and 12 a.m. up the chimney—it does not belong to my knowledge to any of our family.

THEODORE OTTO HELD . I am a merchant in the city and live at 55, Ferntower Road—on 17th September I and my family left our house to go to Germany—the house was locked up under my supervision, everything seemed to be in its usual state when we left—the doors and windows seemed properly fastened—I left no one in charge of the house—I asked my next door neighbour, Mr. Beaver, to be kind enough to look after the house—on 6th October I received a telegram in consequence of which I came home—I found everything in confusion—in the lobby I found fourteen large bundles which were not there when I locked up the house—the value of the articles in those bundles was 272l.—I found a great many things had been broken open and almost all their contents stolen—I missed jewellery of the value of about 50l.—these things produced are mine—this silk handkerchief that my daughter found is not mine—I went to 18, Huntingdon Street; I found my latch key and a number of small articles belonging to me there.

Cross-examined by Edward Vine. I do not know you at all.

Cross-examined by Edward Vine. I left my house from 17th September to 8th October—nobody could go in during my absence—I don't know if anybody went to see whether the house had been broken into or not—I don't know when it was broken into.

Edward Vine in his statement before the Magistrate said that Harry Vine bought him the things produced on October 3rd and asked him to mind them till lie returned on Monday, saying that he had bought them to make presents to his mother and sister as he was going to America; that they went to the Pavilion, and that coming back Harry said he had bought some furniture which was at his lodgings at Stoke Newington, and asked where he could get a van to take it to a friend at Holloway, giving him 10s. to leave on the van; that he obtained the van, and that next morning Harry accompanied him to Stoke Newington and told him to wait until he returned; that as Harry did not come back he went and found the door open, and that he went in and was arrested.

Daughter said that her young man, Edward Vine, went out with his brother

in the morning, and came back and asked her to go for a ride; that she did not know where the cart was going to, and that she had had a lot of drink the morning she was taken.

Harry Vine in his defence said that on the Tuesday night his brother told him he broken into a house and got a lot of jewellery, and that he showed him a ring on his finger and said Daughters had a gold keeper, and that he had got round at the back and got over severed walls; that on the Wednesday Edward told him he had should his (Harry's) liandkerchief up the chimney, as he had too much to bring away, and that he told him he was going to hire a van to take the things away the next morning.

Edward Vine in his defence stated that his brother brought the things to him on Wednesday rooming and asked him to mind them as he was going to America; that they went to the Pavilion, and that coming home Harry asked him where he could get a van and that he hired it; that he suggested Daughters should go for a ride, and that she knew nothing wrong was going on; that he when with his brother, not knowing for what they went or where they were going; that he went in to see where Harry was and was taken.

Henry Vine asserted his innocence and said his brother had been telling lies and that lie was not with the van that morning.

Daughters said she did not know what was going on or she should not have been in the cart.


The Jury recommended Daughters to mercy, as they considered she was acting under Edward Vine's directions.

Edward Vine then

PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction of felony in April, 1884, and Henry Vine** to one in October, 1883, at this Court. EDWARD VINE— Six Years' Penal Servitude. HENRY VINE and EMMA DAUGHTERS— Judgment respited.

The Grand Jury having commended the conduct of the officers in the case: the COMMON SERJEANT and the Petit Jury concurred in this, and the Court awarded 30s. to Ernest Beaver for his good behaviour.


Before Mr. Recorder.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1079
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1079. ALFRED GEORGE ANTHONY, Embezzling and stealing the sums of 12l. 18s. 3d., 29l. 1s. 9d., and 31l. 14s. 1d., received by him for and on account of James Worland, his master.


WILLIAM WILLERS . I am a corn chandler, of 2, Ennis Terrace, Custom House—I have been a customer of James Worland and Son, and on 17th May this year I owed them 29l. 1s. 9d., which I paid the prisoner that day in cash and he signed this receipt (produced) in my presence—on 19th July I owed the firm 31l. 14s. 1d., which I paid the prisoner that day in cash, and he signed this receipt (produced) in my presence—in the month of June I paid the May account of 33l.

GEORGE MILLS . I keep the Prince Alfred public—house, Bedder Street, Canning Town—I am a customer of Messrs. Worland and Son's—on 2nd May I owed them 32l. 18s. 3d.; the prisoner called that day, I paid him in cash and he signed this receipt (produced) in my presence.

WILLIAM HENRY SMITH . I am clerk to Messrs. Worland and Son—on the morning of 2nd May the prisoner came to my desk and handed me 20l., and said "This is from Mills," and I put it to his credit in the cash-book—I made this entry at the time, "G. Mills 20l., 2nd May."

HENRY WORLAND . I carry on business with my father, James Worland, as Worland and Sons, corn merchants and wharfingers, at Worland's wharf, Wharf Road, Canning Town—the prisoner entered our service about seven years ago and remained with us down to August, 1887—he was first employed as clerk, and afterwards he used to go out collecting orders and moneys—it was his duty when he collected money to at once bring it to the office and enter it in the cash-book, or band it to the clerk to enter, and then it would be paid into the bank in the ordinary course—he always had access to the cash-book, it was always on the desk—he had also authority to pay money into the bank after it had been entered in the cash-book, that was the ordinary course of his duty, and a duty which ho fulfilled for a great marly years—when he first came to us his wages were 21s. a week, which was increased, and when he was given in custody they were 36s. a week, which was paid in cash weekly—in May this year a customer named Mills owed us 32l. 18s. 3d. it was the prisoner's duty to hand the whole amount received by him from Mr. Mills to the cashier—I find no entry in any book of that amount, and he has accounted to no one for it—on 17th May I had a customer named Willers, and it was his custom to pay his accounts monthly; he would pay in the succeeding month for the goods he had had in the preceding month—his April account came to 291s. 9d., and on 17th May he paid the prisoner that amount—I find no entry by the prisoner of the payment of that sum to him, nor has he accounted to me in any way for it—his May account amounted to 33l., the prisoner has not accounted to me or to any member of my firm for that sum—on 19th July my attention was directed to an entry in the cash-book in the prisoner's writing, under the date of 2nd June; the prisoner has there credited the 29l. 1s. 9d. as a receipt from Willers—it was in consequence of checking the banker's pass-book with the cash-book and finding no entry in the pass-book that I found that out and sent for the prisoner, and asked him how it was—he said at once he remembered he had not paid it into the bank; he was too late to pay it in that day, and it was now at home—I told him to go home and fetch it at once—I saw him again in the evening, and he then told me he had been home, but the house was locked up, and he could not get it, and he promised to hand it to me on Monday morning—on Monday morning he handed me this banker's credit slip, on which is entered opposite to drafts "30l."—I asked him how he had paid that in instead of 29l. 1s. 9d.—he said "I had the amount 30l., and I thought I might pay it in," and I afterwards handed him the difference—I had then a customer named Loeber, who owed me 30l.—the prisoner never accounted to me for that sum—he owed me on his June account 31l. 14s. 1d.—I have no entry in his writing of the receipt by him of that sum on 19th July, nor has he accounted to me or to any member of my firm for it—in the cash book under that date there is an entry in his writing of the receipt of 33l. from Mr. Willers; that is the first entry of the receipt of that sum from him—he has made no entry of having received it in June—towards the end of July, or the beginning of August, I made an investigation of my books subsequent

to that I made certain discoveries, and in consequence I spoke to the prisoner on 3rd August, and he then said "I have collected sums of money from all these customers, and have not accounted for them," and he named the customers on a particular round which he went—I then asked him to put it in writing, and he did so, taking this ledger as a guide, and then handed me this paper: "To Hy. Worland. I hereby acknowledge having received the below mentioned sums, and have purposely neglected to apply the same to my employer's benefit" (Then followed a list of names with the amounts, making a total of 211l. 2s. 8d., and then it stated: "These embezzlements have been going on over a period of three years")—at that time he said nothing as to how he had devoted some of the money, but a day or two afterwards in speaking of this matter he said he had spent some of the money for stationery accounts, and I told him he had no business to do such a thing—the two matters were entirely distinct, and his business was to come to me if he wanted any stationery—in November, 1884, I opened a stationery shop at Canning Town, and the prisoner was put there as my servant to manage it for me, but he was to still remain in the firm's employment—it was my own venture entirely apart from my father; he disapproved of it—during 1885 and 1886 the prisoner was paid his 36s. a—week just the same—when the stationery business was first opened an arrangement was made that he should conduct it, and also act as our book-keeper, and we took the books round to the shop for him to keep—at that time his wages were, I believe, 20s. for the stationery business, and 16s. as our book-keeper—later on Messrs. Worland's business kept him out of the stationery business, and a lad was then got to keep the shop, and he was paid then 6s. for the stationery business, and 30s. by Messrs. Worland and Son—he was to apply to me for all the expenses of that business—I fitted the shop up and stocked it, and paid the accounts—if he required, money to carry on the business he would apply to me for it, and he did apply to me, and if there were any profits they were to be brought to me—in consequence of what he said to me with regard to this business I went through the account book to which he has access and in which there is his writing, and I find that I paid, in 1885 and 1886, upon this stationery business, 221l. 16s. 10 1/2 d. in excess of the sum I received—it has been conducted at a loss to myself.

Cross-examined. The prisoner did not state that he had expended all these sums in business expenses; I did not tell the Magistrate so; I qualified my statement; I said some of them—it seems I expended in 1886 47l. 10s. 6d., and 30l., 77l. 10s. 6d. altogether—the name of A. G. Anthony and Co. was over the business; the bills were made out in that name—he had a boy whom ho paid 6s. a week out of the takings of the business—there have been no books in this business—I do not know as a fact that the payments from January 1886 to 1887 amounted to 436l. 2s. 1d.; I have not been to the place—the boy has 10s. 6d. a week now; that began about the beginning of this year—I will not pledge my oath that the boy did not have 10s. 6d. a week from January, 1886—the manager's salary was 6s. a week; I did not pay him that; his business was to hand over to me the surplus after paving all expenses—I did not know at the time that ho had an assistant at 1l. per week; as soon as I found it out I went and told the prisoner if ho did not discharge him I should shut up the shop—there were also rates and taxes connected with

this business coming to 29l. 9s.—I cannot say that he paid an account to Mr. Henry Mead of 22l. 19s. 5d., this is the first I have heard of it—he is the wholesale stationer who supplied the business—I paid Mead 12l. 15s. 11d. on 2nd February, 1885, and I paid him 16l. 1s. 9d. after the prisoner was in custody—I found the account owing and I paid it—this account begins from December 30th, 1886—I don't know that the prisoner paid him an account between February 1886 and December 1886—I do not know about an account of Redman, he is a printer in Canning Town—the prisoner as manager had a right to print anything he liked—I know the prisoner paid Redman 23l. 13s. 8d., and between October 1886 and May 1887 he paid Collins 88l.—part of this business was buying periodicals and soiling them again—I doubt whether the periodicals came to 1l. a week, I can find nothing about it, and he must have received money for them—I know of no advertisements the prisoner sent out, but he had authority to push the business in any way he liked—I cannot tell you what takings there were in 1885, but he handed me various sums which he said were profits, this 40l. 10s. 8d. is one—74l. 11s. 7d. was the cost of fitting up the shop; besides that I expended 159l. 13s. 2d., but I don't know that 40l. 10s. 8d. was the profit after all that; that is not a proper balance—sheet; the prisoner always neglected to furnish me with a balance sheet, and I had too much to do to go to the business myself—his takings were sufficient to renew the stock—I had the rates sent to me in 1887, but not in 1886—I saw the prisoner at my office and continually spoke to him, and he always assured me nothing was owing, and said the takings were sufficient to clear all expenses—the prisoner came to my office every morning at 9 o'clock, and remained there about an hour, and one day a week he had a round to do when these moneys were embezzled; and at other times during the morning he was supposed to be looking after the stationery business—I never looked into the matter except speaking to him—I am sure his takings were more than 120l.—I cannot produce the books as they are not here; they were never asked for by his accountant; he looked over the accounts of the stationery business kept by the prisoner—I have looked over the books since he has been in custody, but have not added them up; the business was a very bad job, and I was very glad to forget it—I know that the takings were pretty good—I have not had notice to produce the books of the stationery business.

Re-examined. I have been engaged since the prisoner's arrest in paying oft the sums owed from the stationery business, and have paid over 70l.—now that the takings are under my own control they average 3l. 10s. a week—the prisoner was to apply to me if he required money to go on with, and in the event of there being a profit he handed it to me—all he paid me in 1885 was 45l. 10s. 8d., and the Expenses were 234l. 4s. 9d., that left a deficit on the year of 193l. 14s., but to get at the balance you must take the stock and the fittings of the shop—a considerable sum was expended for stock in 1885, which was there for the prisoner to sell at a profit if he could—the only three accounts to be found in the ledger account for 1884 are Collins, Humphreys, and Mead; there is no 1885 account—I am a very good bookkeeper, but I cannot understand them—I know nothing about Mr. Mead's account, 22l. 19s. 5d., or of the payment of Redmayne's account.

By the JURY. He had 6s. a week, and acted as traveller, but not over a large area—any expenses he incurred he only had to say so, and I paid

him at once—he had a bedroom at the shop which he used for a time, and then went and lived somewhere else—I checked the cash—about once a month, but I had no regular time—did not find the stock decrease very much—I had implicit confidence in him—I cannot say that I lost money every year, because he assured me that the stock was worth the difference the turn over was about 200l.; the gross profit on that would be 25 per cent—there was only 50l. to allow for expenses, but I found the whole stock of the shop—the prisoner never accounted for any money received or expended in my business; in fact, he has falsified all the books.

JAMES WORLAND . I am the father of the last witness, and his partner—the prisoner was in our service from 1880 to 1887—he never accounted to me for these sums, but I am not a working partner.

LOUIS LOEBER . I am a baker, of Canning Town—on 11th July I drew a cheque for 30l. in favour of Worland and Son, which I gave to the prisoner in part payment of my account—he signed this receipt in my presence.

JOHN WILLIAM McVAUGH . I am manager of the Canning Town branch of the London and Provincial Bank—I Produce a credit—slip showing a payment in to the account of J. Worland and son of 30l. on 11th July, 1887—I have examined the books, and find that it was a cheque drawn by Mr. Loeber in favour of Messrs. Worland.

FREDERICK DICKER (Detective Sergeant). On 8th August, at 5.30 p.m., I took the prisoner at 8, Woodgate Street, Canning Town, and told him it was for embezzling various sums of his master, and mentioned 29l. 1s. 9d—he said nothing—showed him the letter, and told him Mr. Worland had given it to me, and it was alleged that he had written it—he said "It is quite sure; I did write it, it is quite correct."

The prisoner received a good character.

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1080
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceMiscellaneous > fine; Imprisonment

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Before Mr. justice Grantham.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1081
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1081. FREDERICK CHARLES MERCER (19) Feloniously shooting Hannah Hickford Robertson, with intent to murder. Second Count, with intent to do grievous bodily harm.

MR. MEAD Prosecuted; MR. GEOGHEGAN Defended.

HANNAH HICKFORD ROBERTSON . My father lives at 141, Southwark Park Road—he is a hair dresser—I have known the prisoner for about six years—he was in my father's employment about four years—on Monday, 19th September, I was in service at 90, Borough Road; up to that time I had been keeping company with the prisoner—on that evening, about half-past 8, he called for me at my place, and I went for a walk with him—he was the worse for drink; I was quite sober—he said I

should not go in that night; he would give me a good hiding—I did not go in; I went with him to London Bridge Railway Station and took tickets for Woolwich Dockyard—in the train he struck me at the side of the head—he said he would blow father's brains out if he was there—he pulled a revolver from his overcoat pocket and put it back again; he said it was a dummy—he did not say it was loaded—we went to his mother's house about 11—we went into the parlour first—the prisoner wanted to go upstairs, and he and his mother and I went upstairs, and his mother fetched him a rocking—chair for him to sleep on in that room, and she tried to got his overcoat off'—he then pulled the revolver out and pointed it at her, and told her to leave the room—she left the room and wont downstairs—he then bolted the door, and with the revolver fired three shots—he was standing against the door with his face towards me; I was standing sideways—he pointed the revolver at me—I was struck by the bullets—Selina Mercer, his sister, was in the room at the time, and his little brother Ernest-Polly Mercer, another sister, had left the room before it happened—he was not far from me when he fired; about as far as that (Pointing about 3 yards)—he did not say anything—I undid the door and went downstairs, and Mrs. Mercer took me to a doctor's, Mr. Hillyer—I was sent to the infirmary, and stayed there till 11th October; I then went home to my father's, and have remained there since—this letter (produced) is the prisoner's writing—my father did not approve of my engagement with the prisoner—after he put the banns up, soon after Christmas, ho ran away to Yorkshire—we had then been engaged about a year and a half; he was a little over 17 when we were engaged—he was not in father's shop then; he was at a hair dresser's at Woolwich—I don't know what he did at Yorkshire—he remained away for three weeks, and then came back—he gave no explanation of his going away—we made it up next morning—I was on terms of friendship with him up to this time—no time was fixed for our marriage—the banns had only been published once; nothing was said about putting up the banns again—father had again refused his consent—the prisoner was not annoyed with father for refusing—nothing was said between us as to when he would marry me.

Cross-examined.—We were keeping company with a view to getting married—I had been twelve months in the situation in the borough; my friends knew where I was stopping—my mother is living—she knew that the prisoner used to visit me, she did not disapprove—I became quite friendly with the prisoner again the day after he came back from York—shire—in the train to Woolwich he said he had bought the revolver at Buffalo Bill's, and he said it was a dummy and would not go off—I saw his hand bleeding the moment after he struck me, not before—I don't know whether it was done by striking me; I did not notice him strike the window—he called on me at half past eight; we did not go at once to London Bridge, we went down London Road and stood at the corner talking, I wan telling him I should have to go in—during that time he used no violence—we went to Woolwich Dockyard station; he was still drunk, he leant against a cart wheel in his mother's yard—I was struck in the neck, shoulder and hand—I walked to Dr. Hillyer's with his mother.

Re-examined. From the time I met him till we—reached his mother's

he only had a small soda, nothing else, he was not accustomed to drink, and I never saw him drunk before—I am twenty next December. (The prisoner's letter put in and read was dated July 1st 1887, and expressed angry feeling towards the father for desiring the witness to give him up.)

By the COURT. The prisoner used to come and see me once or twice a week—he did not complain about my father for refusing to let me marry him.

REBECCA MERCER . The prisoner is my son—on the night of 19th September he arrived at my house with Miss Robertson—we had all gone to bed—she knocked at the door—I asked "Who's there?"—she said "It is me, mother; open the door"—she never called me mother till that night—I went and opened the door—the prisoner was leaning against the cart wheel and she had hold of his arm—he was drunk—he said he was fighting Buffallo Bill—they came in—when she got him on the step of the door she said he had a revolver in his pocket—I said "Oh, Hannah, why did you bring him here? why not give him in charge at the station?"—she said "He won't hurt me"—afterwards she laid hold of his arm and they walked upstairs together and I pushed behind—I fetched a chair and Hannah put him into it, and he appeared to go to sleep, and in a minute be said "I am sick"—I aud Haunah sat down on the bed—he had his eyes closed, and I said "Haunah, come downstairs"—I brought her down to my room, where my husband was in bed—she then went back saying he would not hurt her—I went up again—the prisoner said "Mother, go downstairs"—I said "No, I will lie down here with—Hannah; let me take your overcoat off"—he would not, he threw his arms about—he asked me a second time to leave the room, and he took the revolver from his pocket, and I went down frightened, he holding it in his left hand; it was not pointed, it was the dark end of it—I then left the room telling my husband to come up, and directly afterwards I heard three reports and Hannah came down bleeding, and I went with her to the surgeon's.

Cross-examined. Whenever I have seen my son and Hannah together they always appeared on very affectionate terms—my son appeared to be very drunk in the yard, staggering about; I had to push him up the stairs.

SELINA MERCER (Examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN). I was in bed when the prisoner and Hannah came in, he was drunk, he could not stand, he was staggering all over the room—alter mother left the room he turned round to Hannah and said "Haunah, I am going to shoot Buffallo Bill"—his eyes wore closed when he said that, and he rocked and staggered about like a drunken man, lie had the pistol in his hand—Hannah was standing at the corner of my little brother's bed—she did not say or do anything—she was between the prisoner and my little brother.

By MR. MEAD. My little brother was immediately behind Hannah—after the prisoner shot Hannah he put the pistol into his own month and shot himself once, then turned round to the bed corner and fell down with his head to the fire grate—when he was rocking about he pointed the pistol at Hannah.

HANNAH ROBERTSON (Re-examined). The prisoner said nothing to me when his mother left—if he had said what the last witness has state I must have heard it—directly the mother left he bolted the door—the last witness was in bed, and the little brother also—I was by the side of the little

brother—the prisoner was not so drunk as to be incoherent in his speech, he spoke quite plainly—I heard nothing said about Buffalo Bill in the room—he held the pistol in his right hand quite steadily—he did not move it about—after I was shot I undid the door and went down directly—he did not tell me that he had been to Buffalo Bill's.

JOSEPH DOW . I am a labourer, of 36, Henry Street, Woolwich—about half past 11 or a quarter to 12 on the night of 19th September I heard people talking and saw a crowd at Mrs. Mercer's door—I went in and went to the upstairs room and found the prisoner lying, on the floor on his back quite unconscious, with a revolver across his chest—I felt his pulse and found he was alive—the police came—I did not interfere with anything.

DAVID CONNELL (Policeman R 371). I went to this room and saw the prisoner lying on his back unconscious, and this pistol lying across his chest; I took possession of it—I sent for a doctor and for assistance.

HERBERT HILLYER, M. D . The prosecutrix was brought to my surgery on the morning of 20th September—I examined her; I found a bullet wound behind the left ear, another on the ring finger of the left hand, and a superficial wound on the left side of the neck and shoulder; it was a graze on the shoulder and rather a deeper graze on the neck; I think that was one and the same wound, but not the same as the wound behind the left ear; there was a bruise on the right cheek that might have been from a blow of a fist; there was a wound in the lobe of the left ear, that was caused by the bullet which caused the wound behind the left ear—I passed a probe into that wound, its direction was downward and backwards, the flesh was blackened; I could not feel any bullet, the wound was about 2 inches deep; in tracing it is went in about a quarter of an inch, to the bone, and then glanced downwards; I found no bullet—she has not been under my treatment since; it was such a wound as could have been caused by a shot from this pistol—the wound on the finger was just above the knuckle, the bone was broken and the flesh blackened, that was a bullet wound, and the graze on the neck and shoulder also—about 20 minutes to 1 I went to 23, Henry Street, and found the prisoner lying on the floor between the beds with his head towards the fireplace, in a comatose condition; his month and tongue were blackened, and there was a bullet wound in the roof of his month—the probe passed upwards and backwards to the left for about 3 inches—I felt splintered bone, therefore did not investigate further—the third and fourth knuckles of the right hand were grazed and slight blood flowing from the nose—he smelt of drink—I found one bullet in the girl's dress, and handed it to the officer.

By the COURT. The blackened wound would indicate that the revolver must have been very near, I should say within a yard or a yard and a half—the hand was more blackened than the head—there was a very small amount of powder in the pistol.

Cross-examined. The worst wound in the girl was was in the head be hind the ear.

WALTER ERNEST BOULTER . I am medical superintendent at the Woolwich Union Infirmary—at half past 2 on 20th September the prosecutrix was brought there—she was suffering from gun—shot wounds in the hand, neck, and head—I extracted a bullet from the left ring finger, and produce it—on the 21st the nurse handed me another bullet which she had

found in the girl's bed—the girl is perfectly well now; she was discharged on 11th October—I saw the prisoner about an hour after the prosecutrix was brought in—he was in an unconscious condition, suffering from a gunshot wound in the mouth—it was apparently a dangerous wound from its position, but no symptoms occurred afterwards, and he perfectly recovered—I have never been able to find the bullet—he left on the 14th—he smelt very strongly of drink when brought in—he seemed quite sane while under my care—I believe the bullet found in the girl's bed had rested in her hair—the bone behind the ear was not injured, I could not reach it with the probe—as to the prisoner's wound, I think the bullet must have fallen out while he was on the floor, or that he swallowed it; the weapon does not seem to be one of very great force—the wound in the finger only passed through the skin—I don't think she had a ring on the finger—the bullet must have been very soft—the bullet was more damaged than she was.

DR. HILLYER (Re-examined). This bullet is similar to that found in the girl's dress.

EDGAR BARNES (Police Sergeant). I went with Dr. Hillyer to 23, Henry Street, to the room where the prisoner was lying—this pistol was handed to me—five chambers had been discharged, one chamber was empty—I searched the prisoner, and found a box containing 44 cartridges and one loose cartridge in his pocket—I also found this letter in his breast pocket. (Read;" My dearest friends, I now wish you all good-bye; I only wish I had met Robertson, I would serve him the same way. Bury me in the same place as Hannah. Yours truly, F.C. Mercer.")

Cross-examined. I have seen revolvers similar to this sold in shops—you can buy one for 7s. or 8s.—it is self-acting.

THOMAS CLARK (Police Inspector R). On 14th October I went to the Infirmary and saw the prisoner—I said "You will be charged with feloniously wounding Hannah H. Robertson, with intent to kill and murder her, at 23, Henry Street, Woolwich, on 19th September, 1887, by shooting her with a six-chambered revolver;" I also said "You will be charged with attempting to commit suicide by shooting yourself at the same time and place"—he made no reply—I took him to the station, where he was charged—he made no reply then.

GUILTY.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury on account of his youth. Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1082
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1082. ALBERT PALMER, Embezzling the sums of 1s., 2s., and 2s. 6d., the moneys of his master, Henry Robinson.

MR. BODKIN Prosecuted.

HENRY ROBINSON . I am a dairyman of Clifton Farm Dairy, Charlton—the prisoner was in my employment from 25th June—he received 18s. a week, and his duties were to take a horse and cart out, serve milk to customers, and receive cash for milk he sold and account to me for it—my transactions with my customers were not all cash—I received no money from the prisoner in respect of Mrs. Childs' account on 25th June, 2nd July, and 29th July—he has never mentioned anything to me about the money he received from her—he had no authority to sell milk on his own account—I know his writing—this is a bill with Mr. Childs' name on it—on 25th June is an entry 1s., on 2nd July 2s., and on 29th July

2s. 6d.—those are in the prisoner's writing—this is the prisoner's name right across the bill—"Balance of bill" is in his writing.

By the COURT. I found this out on the 7th, Saturday—he had left me on the Monday or Tuesday—I gave him notice to leave because of his unsteadiness.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not give you bill—heads to make out on your own account—you could take one out for a customer, and you had to pay it in at night—if a customer wanted a receipt for the week's bill, you would have a bill head to give a receipt—you owed 1l. 9s. 3d. for milk you received cash for—you stayed with me on the Saturday to show the customers to your successor, Taylor, and you did not show him a single customer; you said you had burnt the day book—I did not sign Mrs. Childs' account—they all disputed several bills—you never sent them in—this is a receipt; you have received these sums—this states "Balance of bill, Albert Palmer"—that is your receipt.

Re-examined. They were disputed; the people said they did not owe the money—Mrs. Vickers of 5, Joseph Street, paid 1l. 9s. to the prisoner, and I never received it.

WILLIAM CHILDS . I live at 47, Sand Street, Charlton—this bill was paid in my presence by my wife on the day the bill was receipted—we settled the balance and the prisoner receipted it—"Balance of bill settled" is all it says—that was written in my presence—on 25th June my wife paid 1s.; on 2nd July my wife paid 2s. in my presence, and on 29th July I paid 2s. 6d. myself—those sums were in payment of milk we had ordered from Mr. Robinson.

Cross-examined. You told me there were a few shillings owing and that you had settled with Mr. Robinson for it, and that I was to pay you, not Mr. Robinson, as the debt was yours—I have not settled for it yet; Mr. Robinson claims it and you claim it, and I don't know who to pay.

RICHARD HOWELL (Detective Sergeant R). I took the prisoner into custody on 22nd September—I told him I should take him into custody for embezzling 15s. 5d. belonging to his master, Mr. Robinson—he said "Oh, I thought he would do something like this"—that was all he said—I took him to the station—he made no reply to the charge.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I am not guilty."

The prisoner in his defence asserted that Mr. Robinson did not keep his books in proper fashion, and that he had made this charge in a fit of jealousy, because the prisoner started in a little way for himself.


There was another indictment against the prisoner, which was postponed to next Session.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1083
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1083. CHARLES KEYS (21) , Unlawfully assaulting George Haddon, a constable, in the execution of his duty. Second Count, unlawfully assaulting George Haddon, and occasioning him actual bodily harm.

MR. WILLES Prosecuted; MR. LAWLESS Defended.

JAMES HAYES (Thames Police Inspector). On 22nd September, about 20 minutes to 12 p.m., I was on duty at Garden Stairs, Greenwich, in a boat—I received information, in consequence of which I went to Fubb's Yacht public-house, where I saw Conatablo Hufflet, who made a communication to me; in consequence of that I went into the public-house with Culverwell (who was in the boat with me) and Hufflet—in the public-house I saw Carter, who was wanted—I arrested him, and as we were

taking him out into the alley the prisoner and a lot of men ran out of Fubb's Yacht and pulled us and Carter about—I had known the prisoner for years; I have not the least doubt he was the man there on that night—I told him he was a foolish chap and he had better get away, and Carter ultimately escaped from our custody—I saw the prisoner catching hold of his arms and legs and anywhere he could to try and get him away from us—I saw the prisoner arrested—I did not see him do anything else to anybody.

Cross-examined. Nearly all the men in the public-house rushed out; there was great confusion—I told Keys to go away, or something to that effect—I know he is deaf—from 20 to 25 minutes, I should think, after he was pulling Carter I saw him arrested in the alley as he was making his way towards Fubb's Yacht—it was 20 minutes after the first of the row—I did not see him throw a stone.

By the JURY. Two minutes after Carter had escaped the prisoner was making his way home.

FREDERICK HUFFLET (Policeman R 326). At 12 o'clock on 22nd September I was on duty in Brewhouse Lane, Greenwich, outside the Fubb's Yacht public-house—Hayes came up, and I made a communication to him, and we all went into the public-house and arrested Carter—we took him outside, and afterwards the mob came out; the prisoner was among them—they commenced to rescue him by pulling his legs and arms—we got him through Billingsgate Street; the mob becoming greater, I had to blow my whistle for more assistance—Constables Haddon and Austin then came out—after trying for about some five minutes to get Carter along, I saw the prisoner throw something (which appeared to be a stone) from his hand; it struck Haddon on the side of his face, knocking him down to the ground—the mob then rescued Carter from our custody—I saw the prisoner making his way through the passage back to the public-house; Austin went after him and arrested him—he was taken to the station—I was there the whole time—I never saw the prisoner before to my knowledge; I have no doubt at all that he is the man that threw the stone.

By the JURY. I saw him throw the stone—it was dark, but not particularly dark, there were lamps there—he was in the mob of people.

Cross-examined. There was a great mob and confusion there—I was there the first two or three minutes, but Haddon was not—it took us three or four minutes to take Carter to Billingsgate Street from the public-house, a distance of about 50 yards through the passage—it was in Billingsgate Street the stone was thrown—I was struggling with Carter at the time it was thrown—there were street lamps close by; the shops were shut—the prisoner was arrested nearly a minute, I should think, afterwards—he was making his way through the passage after throwing the stone; Austin went after and arrested him immediately—it was an quarter of an hour after the row—most of the row occurred after we got into Billingsgate Street.

Re-examined. I noticed the prisoner on the first onset, when we were getting Carter through the passage—I noticed him when the struggle took place for the possession of Carter—I could not see what position he was in exactly with regard to Carter; he was stooping down taking hold of Carter wherever he could—I am perfectly positive the prisoner was the man I afterwards saw.

By the COURT. The charge against Garter was using obscene language

and assaulting me; he has not been apprehended since—it was at 12 o'clock on the night of the 22nd or morning of the 23rd.

JOHN WILLIAM CULVERWELL (Thames Policeman 121). On the night of 22nd September I was on duty in a boat at the Garden Stairs, Greenwich, with Hayes—I went with him to Fubb's Yacht to arrest Carter—I saw him inside the public-house, and he was taken into custody—I also saw the prisoner in the public-house playing a whistle; I had not known him before—as we were removing Carter from the public-house the prisoner pulled him by the legs and arms and tried to rescue him—by those means Carter got away—I myself had hold of Carter at the same time as the prisoner had—I have no doubt that the prisoner is the man who tried to rescue Carter—a mob of people was round—I saw Haddon and Austin come up—as we were taking Carter away the prisoner threw a stone which struck Haddon on the cheek—Haddon fell to the ground; I saw no more of him—I did not see the stone come, but I saw the prisoner's arm up, and not a minute afterwards the constable fell.

Cross-examined. I was struggling with Carter at the time—the stone was thrown in Billingsgate Street—several stones were thrown—I was looking over the crowd seeing where the stones were coming from; Carter was lying on the ground then, exhausted—Hufflet was standing on the opposite side to me—he arrested the prisoner, I stick to that—I said at Greenwich I had made a mistake, and I have made a mistake now—237, Austin, arrested him, I will swear it—I have no doubt who threw the stone—I am sure now who arrested the prisoner.

Re-examined. There had been a considerable struggle over Carter; I and Hayes and Hufflet were holding him, and the prisoner and others trying to take him out of our custody—Carter was then exhausted on the ground and I was looking to see who was throwing stones—I did not know the man's name who arrested the prisoner and I have made mistakes as to his number, but I knew the man himself—after Carter had escaped I saw 237 had the prisoner in custody.

GEORGE HADDON (Policeman R 56). On this evening, about 10 minutes to 12, I was on duty near Fubb's Yacht, Greenwich—I heard a whistle, and on going towards the direction of the sound I saw Hufflet struggling with Carter—I went to his assistance, and on getting the prisoner into the street the crowd began to push us about, striking—I was trying to keep the crowd back and I was struck by a stone across the side of the face—it felled me to the ground, I was insensible for a minute or so—when I regained my feet I saw the prisoner in the custody of Hufflet and Austin—I don't know who threw the stone.

Cross-examined. The first time I saw the prisoner was when he was in custody—I was keeping the crowd back when I was struck, I had been assisting Hufflet in doing so—Carter was on the ground—they were trying to bring him to the station—I saw one truncheon drawn but not used—I did not see them used—I would not swear they were not used, I did not see one used—it was rather dark—I only felt this one stone—I cannot say if a good many were thrown—my back was to Carter.

Re-examined. I did not draw my truncheon.

WILLIAM AUSTEN (Policeman R 237). On this night I was near Fubb's Yacht—when I first got there I saw the prisoner with something in his hand, which hit Haddon on the side of his head, he fell down—I picked him up—I had known the prisoner by sight before—I had not noticed

him in the crowd before, I had only just arrived—I have not the slightest doubt he was the man who threw the stone—I saw the prisoner two or three minutes afterwards running away, I took him into custody assisted by Hufflet—we had difficulty in taking him, he threw himself on the ground—I drew my truncheon—I did not strike anybody.

Cross-examined. I drew my truncheon because someone behind asked someone else to fetch the poker—when I drew it there was a great row going on, they were trying to rescue Carter, and it was absolutely necessary to draw truncheons in self-defence—I swear I did not use it and that I did not hit the prisoner with it—I did not arrest him for some two or three minutes after he threw the stone—he was running up the passage—there were 60 people, all endeavouring to get Carter away—other stones were thrown from the outside of the crowd—I said at the police-court that Hufflet assisted me to arrest the prisoner—I caught hold of him and Hufflet was close behind and assisted me—I was not alone when I arrested him—I remember saying at the police-court that Hufflet was close to me and assisted me in arresting him.

By the JURY. The man was aiming something, I could not exactly see what it was—Haddon stood on the right side of him about 5 yards away—the prisoner was standing in an upright position with his hand ready to throw something at the time I arrived on the scene.

WILLIAM ALFORD (Acting Sergeant R 51). At half-past 12 on this night, I was in charge of Park Road Station, Greenwich, when the prisoner was brought in by Hufflet, Austin, and Haddon—Haddon was bleeding from a cut on his right cheek and fight ear—I had to send for a divisional surgeon to come and strap it up—Austin and Hufflet stated in the prisoner's presence that while they had a man named Carter in custody the prisoner threw what they believed to be a stone, but they were not sure, which caused the cut on Haddon's face and ear—the prisoner made no reply—I took the charge, and noticing he was rather deaf, I read the charge to him in a loud voice—he said "I know nothing about it"—the prisoner made no complaint at the station to me—I noticed nothing particular about him; he appeared quite sober, and I did not notice anything the matter with him.

Cross-examined. I did not examine his head—I saw no lump there.

WILLIAM STUBBS (Policeman R 115). On Friday, 23rd September, I was on duty at Park Road Station—at 6 o'clock in the morning I visited the prisoner in his cell, and asked him if he was all right—he said "Yes"—he made no complaint whatever to me at 8 o'clock in the morning—I took him some clean water, soap, and towel—he returned the towel; I saw no blood on it—he made no complaint whatever to me then.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "The blood on the side of my head was dry the next morning; it was not sufficient to make the water in such a state that one would see it."

Witnesses far the Defence.

WILLIAM SWINGFORD . I am a waterman's apprentice, and live at 1, Baker's Yard, Greenwich—on the night of 22nd September I was with the prisoner in Fubb's Yacht—I heard a disturbance outside, and on going out saw Carter in custody, with a large crowd round; they shifted down the lower end of the court to Billingsgate Street, when the prisoner was knocked down by Austen's truncheon—while he was lying there a large stone came from the other side of the crowd and hit Haddon—the

prisoner was taken up for that—he was not arrested immediately—after the policeman was struck Austen said "You go home"—a rare lot of stones were thrown and there was great confusion—there was not much light then in the street, and it was not easy in a crowd like that to distinguish faces—I was simply looking on with the prisoner—there were many loose stones lying about there.

Cross-examined. I have known Carter by sight about two or three years—I do not know him to speak to—I saw him that night in the Fubb's Yacht—we heard a row outside, and I and the prisoner went out to see it—when we heard the row Carter was in the court; the police were trying to get him to the station—I was in the public-house when two river policemen came in and arrested Carter—they dragged him out, and we stopped inside two or three minutes before we went out to see it—I did not see the prisoner get hold of Carter at all; I was with him and I never saw him touch him—the prisoner was knocked down by 237's truncheon and remained insensible for two or three minutes I should think—I know Inspector Hayes by sight—I was with the prisoner the whole time; close to him—Hayes did not speak to him—he did not tell him to go away; Austen did—Hayes and Culverhouae were both there—Haddon was struck in Billingsgate Street—the stone was thrown about 20 yards from Fubb's Yacht-house—the prisoner was struck down in Billingsgate Street—we had followed right down the court—I saw something over his face; I could not say whether blood or mud, it was so dark where he lay—he was arrested at the bottom of Fubb's Yacht Alley—we had returned there from Billingsgate Street—he was walking quickly; I was with him—I did not go to the police-station with him.

Re-examined. When struck with the truncheon he had his hat on—he was struck on the head—he did not throw a stone that night.

WILLIAM WOOLFORD . I am a waterman's apprentice of 26, Cottage Place, Greenwich—on the night of 22nd September I was with the prisoner and Swingford in the public-house—the prisoner was playing a whistle—some constables fetched Carter through the house—we heard a noise and went outside—I saw Carter struggling with the police—there was a crowd there—they were not all fighting, but shoving just as if it was a football match—they got Carter along a little court way into Billingsgate Street—I did not see the prisoner do anything there—I saw constable 237 knock him down with his truncheon—I saw a stone come over the policemen's heads and strike a constable in the face—I cannot say if any more were thrown—I did not see the prisoner throw a stone while I was there—I did not see him arrested—I left him when he got up—he stone that struck the constable was thrown before that—I am quite sure the prisoner did not throw that—I heard the constable tell the prisoner to go home.

Cross-examined. We were not in the room that Carter was arrested in; they fetched him through the room we were in—I only know Carter by sight, seeing him hang about public-houses, that is all—I and the prisoner followed out as soon as we could get out—I did not see the prisoner touch Carter while I was there, I did not see him go near him—I saw some Thames police; I did not know who they were—I did not hear Hayes tell the prisoner to go away—the prisoner was standing on the path looking on the same as I was, when 237 came up with his truncheon drawn and knocked him down—I did not hear him say anything—I

saw it; I never said a word to him—when on the ground Austen stood over him—I did not remonstrate with him, I walked away; I thought I might get one myself—I had left before the prisoner was arrested.

Re-examined. There was not considerable confusion going on when the prisoner was struck—I saw no cause for them to knock the prisoner down—I left when he got up.

ANNA AYRES . I am the wife of Frederick William Ayres, a labourer; we, live at Delaney's Court, Thames Street, West Greenwich—at a quarter to 12 on the night of 22nd September I was in Billingsgate Street, and saw a row outside Fubb's Yacht public-house—Carter got away and got through the public-house—the police went to get him out again, and they got him as far as Billingsgate Street—I saw the prisoner playing a whistle in the public-house, and I saw him in Billingsgate Street lying on the kerb; how he came there I cannot say—Austen was near him—considerable confusion and fighting were going on, and a mob was going round and no one could say who was there and who was not—stones were thrown, I cannot say by whom—I did not see the prisoner throw a stone; he was lying on the kerb—I did not see anyone knock him down.

MARTHA KEYS . I am the prisoner's mother—he is a kitchen porter at the Trafalgar and at the Ship in winter—before this row on the 22nd he had no bruises or marks on his head—I saw him when he was bailed out of prison—he called my attention to a wound on the top of his head, a cut about half the length of my nail—he has borne a good character from two masters; he was four years at the Ship and five years at the Trafalgar.

Cross-examined. The wound was healed up when he showed it to me—I asked him because he suffered so from his head—he suffered before from deafness—it was a cut on his head just like a blow—the lining of his cap had wadding in it—I went to look next morning at the pavement where he was knocked down, and there was blood on the pavement.


24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1084
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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1084. SAMUEL WEEKS, Unlawfully assaulting William Austen, a constable, in the execution of his duty. Second Count, occasioning him actual bodily harm.

MR. WILLS for the prosecution, offered no evidence. NOT GUILTY .

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1085
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1085. JOHN WEAR (24), JOHN WALLACE (22), and JOHN COUCHER (26) , Stealing two coats and other articles of Patrick McKenna. Second Count, receiving the same.


MR. POLEY Prosecuted.

ELIZA OGILVY . I live at 8, Beresford Terrace, Woolwich—on October 10th I was passing Mrs. McKenna's shop, in the same street, about a quarter to 4, when I saw Coucher and another man, whom I believe to be Wallace by his clothes (I did not see his face), going into Mrs. McKenna's passage.

Cross-examined by Wallace. I only saw your back.

Cross-examined by Coucher. You were just outside the passage door, going into the passage, when I saw you—I saw you behind.

Re-examined. I did not see him go into the house—the passage is at the side of the house; you go into a side door to it and then the side door

opens into the passage—two doors, the passage door and the back door, are close together.

MARY ANN BARFORD . I live at 9. Beresford Terrace, Woolwich, the same house as Mrs. McKenna—on 10th October I was in my front room, over Mrs. McKenna's door, and about a quarter to 4 I saw Wear going out of our gate, and another man, who is not here, was following him—I did not see the other two prisoners—Wear had a sack on his back—he went into the next house, the man following him—they were evidently trying the door, but did not succeed in opening it—they came out of the gate and then had words—Wear threw the sack on the ground and commenced to fight with the man who was following him—later on I saw the other two prisoners fighting outside the public-house, which is opposite to McKenna's.

Cross-examined by Wallace. I did not see you near the house, only opposite the public-house.

Cross-examined by Coucher. I never saw you go to Mrs. McKenna's place—McKenna's is as far from the public-house as the other side of this Court is from here.

ALFRED SMITH . I live at 37, Francis Street, Woolwich, and am a baker—Mrs. McKenna came to me, and I went with her in my cart, at 4 o'clock, to Bigwood Street, which is the next street to Beresford Street, where I saw the three prisoners and another man fighting; on the pavement was lying a bag which I recovered possession of from Wear and I then drove up Bigwood Street to find a constable—when I got the bag away all four of the prisoners were talking together; they appeared to know each other.

Cross-examined by Coucher. You were with Wear in Bigwood Street when he had the bag of clothes—the other man is not here.

By the COURT. I swear Wallace is one of the four; I said at the police-court I could not swear he was the man with Wear, but he was one of the four—the bag was between all four of them when they were fighting.

ELIZA MCKENNA . I live at 9, Beresford Terrace, and am the wife of Patrick McKenna, gunner in the Royal Artillery—I came back to my house just before 4 o'clock, and went into the front room—I noticed my husband's tie and shirt lying on the floor—I went outside and saw four men (I cannot recognise any of them) fighting by the Wellesley Hotel—I went back to my house and made a search, and found a tweed suit, a black coat and vest, trousers, overcoat, and other articles, missing from a chest of drawers in the front room—the value of the articles was, altogether, 4l. 10s.—I afterwards saw those clothes in a sack in Wood Street, on the pavement—Wear took them up and put them on his shoulder after a man tapped him on the shoulder—he went to walk away with them, and was stopped—I saw the sack and the contents at the police-station; I identify them.

SAMUEL RIVERS . I keep the Wellesley Hotel, Hill Street, Woolwich—on 10th October, at 25 minutes past or half-past 3, I was in my bar, and I saw the three prisoners and another man having some refreshment—the man not in custody, and Wallace, went out, and came back in a few minutes, and said to Coucher, "Come, let's get to business; we have got two houses to clear out, and it is past 3 o'clock now; business before pleasure"—a soldier was talking to

Wear and Coucher, who both said they had been soldiers, and came from Deptford—Wear had a bag with something in it; Coucher had an empty bag—they went outside—I heard a noise and went to the door to stop them from coming in again, as I thought they were fighting—Coucher was leaning against the fence in front of my house—Wallace said to him "Come on, you b—fool; don't you see who is coming?"—he meant the police inspector—Coucher said "Yes"—directly he said that all four went down the turning by the side of my house—I went to look and saw Inspector Flannagan coming, and informed him of what I had heard.

Cross-examined by Wallace. You had nothing in your possession that I know of when you and the other man went out—I was not asked to give evidence at the police-court; I was sitting down there—I went to give evidence if required.

Cross-examined by Coucher. I said at the police-court "The tall one"—I know you are taller than Wear—I did not know your names—you were all together, and drinking together.

JAMES FLANNAGAN (Inspector R). On 10th October, between 3 and 4 o'clock, I passed the Wellesley Hotel—the landlord made a communication to me, and I then proceeded to Hill Street—I saw the three prisoners having a quarrel outside the "Wellesley Hotel—Wear picked up a bag, and they all went down Lower Wood Street amicably after the fight—I did not see Mr. Rivers at the police-court—I have seen him since the prisoners were committed and have taken a communication from him in writing, which I have served on each prisoner—that communication was in substance exactly the same as the communication made by the landlord to me on the 10th.

Cross-examined by Wallace. I saw four of you going down the road.

Cross-examined by Coucher. I was not present at the first hearing at the police-court—I spoke on the second occasion.

JAMES FORBES (Policeman R 167). On 10th October I received information—I saw Wallace and Coucher fighting at a quarter-past 4 in Bowling Green Road, not half-a-mile away from McKenna's—when I appeared Wallace made a bolt off and got about three yards away; I caught and held him—Coucher came to strike me and tried to get Wallace away—they were both drunk and I could not hear what was said—there was a crowd of people round.

ABTHUR HARRIS . I know Coucher—his name is William Wear, and he is the brother of the prisoner who has pleaded guilty.

Cross-examined by Coucher. I know from your mother's words that you are his brother—I have known you as being together—I have known you for about 18 months at Brockley—you were a sweep or something—I never knew you do much work.

Wallace and Coucher in their statements before the Magistrate denied all knowledge of the matter, and Coucher added that he was drunk.

Wallace in his defence said that he and Coucher worked together at marine store dealers, as did Wear and another man; that they met in a public-house, and drank and got fighting outside, and that then Wear and the other man went off one way and he and Coucher another, and that they were arrested.

Ceucher in his defence said he was buying things with his wife at houses, and that he met the other, men in the public-house and got drunk and was fighting, and that he remembered nothing more.

Wallace and Coucher called

GEORGE WEAR (The Prisoner). I have pleaded guilty to this charge—I lodge anywhere; I am a tailor by trade—I came out of McKenna's house, with the bag on my back with the clothes in it, and I saw Wallace and Coucher fighting—I put the bag on the pavement to try and part them but could not—I took the bag up again and I and my friend went away—I did not see Wallace and Coucher again until I saw them at the police-station—they are as innocent as you are; they were not with me at all that day—I stole the clothes.

Cross-examined. Coucher is my brother—I was not drunk that day—I was not inside the Wellesley Hotel; I was outside—I don't remember being inside—I can swear I was not inside; I stood against his house and did not go inside—what Mr. Rivers says cannot be true—I was outside and not in a position to hear Wallace say "Let us get to work; we have two houses to clear"—he did not say it to me—he said it to Coucher, not to me—I heard what the man stated just now—I heard none of the conversation—I did not see the inspector at all—I did not hear Wallace say "Don't you see who is coming, you b—fool"—I did not say anything—I did not hear what was said; I was not in the public-house at all—I and my friend had started out early in the, morning together—these men know nothing about it.


WALLACE then PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction of felony in April, 1884, in the name of Thomas Bartlett, and COUCHER** to one in October, 1883, at Chelmsford, in the name of William West, or William Wear WEAR*— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour each.

There was another indictment against Wear and coucher.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1086
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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1086. GEORGE DUFF (52) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Joseph Jordan, with intent to steal therein.

MR. HEDDON Prosecuted.

CHARLES DIGBY (Policeman R 299). On 8th October I was on duty about half past 1 a.m. at Rectory Place, Woolwich, outside Holy Trinity Vicarage—I noticed the kitchen window down an area open—I went down the area and there saw the prisoner crouched up in a corner—I pulled him up, and said "What are you doing here?"—he said "I don't know how I came here"—I took him to the station, and he was charged—he made no answer—he was sober—you go down, steps to the area.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. Anybody could open the gate and go down—the shutters were not open when I examined the window—about a quarter of a pane of glass was broken right out, about two inches square in size—the part broken out was just over the catch which fastens the window.

HENRY SILVER (Police Inspector R). I was at the station on 8th October when the prisoner was brought in—I noticed his hand was bulky, I opened it and found this box of silent matches, which he was endeavouring to slip up his sleeve—I searched, and found on him 1d., a knife, a pair of spectacles, and this eye-shade—I went to Holy Trinity Vicarage a few minutes after the prisoner was brought to the station, and on searching the area found this jemmy concealed in a niche just by the side of the kitchen window—the window was open—the glass nearest the top pane was broken—this catch was forced from off the top, the pane nearest the catch being broken—you could not put your hand through the

hole—the window was forced up, and as it went up the catch was broken away—it would then leave the shutter to be forced—I saw an Attempt had been made to force the shutter from marks on it—the shutter was some six inches from the window; there was a sort of wooden variegated blind between the window and shutter that had been broken—the prisoner had evidently put his arm through the window to force the shutter.

Cross-examined. You did not enter the house with the exception of putting your arm through the window to force the shutter—one pane of glass was broken, and the bottom part of the window forced up.

ANNA ELEANOR JENKINS . I am cook to the Rev. Joseph Jordan, of Holy Trinity Vicarage, Woolwich—on 7th October I went to bed at five minutes past eleven, having; closed the doors and windows—I was the last to go to bed; this kitchen window was closed-at half-past one on the following morning Mrs. Jordan called me, and I got up and went downstairs—I waited there till after the inspector had searched the house—I saw the kitchen window in the front of the house in the area had been broken.

Cross-examined. The window was not broken overnight; it was when the inspector came—it was only cracked, not broken out—none of the glass was gone.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I don't recollect being there at all."

The prisoner, in his defence, contended that he did not enter the house.


He then PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction of felony at this court in June, 1888, in the name of William Parsons.— Five Years' penal Servitude.

Before Mr. Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1087
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1087. CHARLES GODLEY (30) PLEADED GUILTY to obtaining by false Dretences from William Banham half a bushel of poultry mixture and a bushel of barley-meal, value 7s. with intent to defraud— Twelve Months' Hard Labour. And

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1088
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1088. EDWARD LANGRISH (alias Tilson) to obtaining 8s. by false pretences.— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] six months' Hard labour.

Before Mr. Reorder.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1089
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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1089. ROBERT WILLIAM BARCHAM, Embezzling the sums of 15s. 9d., 2l., and 1l., also 1l., 1l. 3s., and 13s., which he had received on account of Henry Joyce, his master.

MR. BESLEY Offered no evidence.


24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1090
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1090. DENNIS DONOVAN, Unlawfully attempting to carnally know Mary Hume, aged 5 years and 11 months.

MR. DILL Prosecuted; MR. GEOGHEGAN Defended.


24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1091
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment > hard labour

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1091. STEPHEN LADDS (20) and REBECCA LADDS (59) , Stealing 4 tins of condensed milk, 40 postage labels, and 16s., the property of Joseph Henry Bracewell. Second Count, receiving.


MR. KEITH FRITH Prosecuted.

JOSEPH HENRY BRACEWELL . I am a grocer, of 17, Woodlands park, Greenwich—on 14th September I saw my premises securely locked—next

morning, about 8.50, I missed 13s. worth of coppers from the shelf and 140 farthings, also 3 tins of condensed milk of the "Cow" brand and one of the "Rose" brand from the shop—I identified them on the next day—I also missed 39 or 40 penny postage stamps from the shelf—the 3 farthings produced were shown to me by the police; they were amongst those I missed.

JOHN PITMAN (Police Inspector R). I examined the premises at 9.30 a.m. on 15th September, and saw marks of a person having broken into them over a low wall—at 11.30 that morning I saw Mrs. Ladds in Old Woolwich Road—I said "I shall charge you on suspicion with dealing with some stamps this morning that were stolen during the night"—she made no reply—on the way to the station she said "The truth is the truth, my boy gave them to me to change"—I asked her which boy, and she said "Steve"—at 2 p.m. I went with Sergeant Cranfield to Stephen and Rebecca Ladds' house; Rebecca is the mother—I found these milk tins on a table in a front room where breakfast had been had—the room was occupied by the mother—I spoke to her about the tins; she made no reply.

Rebecca Ladds' Defence. I did not know where my son brought them from.

REBECCA LADDS— GUILTY .— Eight days' Imprisonment.

STEPHEN LADDS also PLEADED GUILTY** to stealing a pocket book, and to a conviction of felony in December, 1886.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1092
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1092. ALBERT TOMLINSON (23) and WILLIAM TOMLINSON (21) , Unlawfully obtaining 7s. 6d. of Henry Dinmore by false pretences, to which


HENRY DINMORE . I am barman to my father at 29, Beresford Street, Woolwich—about 15th September the prisoner Albert came in at 7.10, and said, "Is the governor at home?"—I said "No, he is away at the seaside, and will be home to-morrow"—he left, and in about 3 minutes the prisoner William came in and said "A parcel for Mr. Dinmore from Mr. Cowell in the City"—he said there was 7s. 6d. to pay, which I gave him, and he signed for it in the name of Smith—I said that my father was at the seaside; he said, "I know that"—after he left I examined the parcel, and only found some cigarette papers value 1s.—I informed the police.

GEORGE LUCAS (Policeman 29 R R). On 15th September, about 7.15, I went with the last witness to Woolwich Arsenal Railway Station; he pointed out the prisoners on the platform, and I told them I should take them for a fraud on Mr. Dinmore—they both said "I don't know what you mean"—I found on Albert 12s. 8d., 8 pawn tickets, and a knife, and on William 6d., 2 pawn tickets, a knife, a key, and 3 boxes of cigarette papers like some which Henry Dinmore handed to me.

Albert Tomlinson's Statement before the Magistrate. "I went into the shop as travellers do, and I am innocent of this charge. I supply from 80 to 100 shops a day. I have never done anything wrong."

Witness for Albert Tomlinson.

WILLIAM TOMLINSON (The Prisoner). I have pleaded guilty to this indictment—the prisoner Albert is my brother—I went to Dinmore's, but I never mentioned the name of Cowell or any one who the parcel came from, nor did I put down the name of Smith—I gave no name—I got the 7s. 6d.—I did not know that my brother had been into the shop—we

were travelling in Greenwich and Woolwich—I did not give my brother any of the money, I dropped it when I was taken—the parcel contained 60 penny articles, they cost 3s. 6d. and they realise 5s. when sold in shops—I asked for 2s. 6d. more than 5s., which is the reason I have pleaded guilty—I should not have done it only my landlady asked me for some rent—my brother had nothing to do with it, he is perfectly innocent.

Cross-examined. When I gave the box to Dinmore it was in a sheet of paper and tied with string, not sealed.

ALBERT TOMLINSON— GUILTY .— Six Days' Hard Labour each.


Before Mr. Justice Grantham.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1093
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1093. LIONEL PUDDICK was indicted for feloniously setting fire to a stack of straw belonging to John Bennington Moore.

MR. DE MICHELE prosecuted.

WILLIAM GOLDING . I am bailiff of Botley Hall Farm, near Godstone, Surrey—the prisoner thatched a stack of cats for me, and on Saturday, 24th September, he came for his money—I offered him a half sovereign—he had not got any change—being a stranger, I did not trust him with the half sovereign—I offered him 4s. he would not take it—he had bargained for 4s—I had been away three days when he came for his money—it would take him seven hours to do the job—he said he would do it for 4s., but he would not take the money, he wanted more, I refused to give it—he did not say what he wanted—he said he wanted more and he would have it in some way or other; he would do me some bodily harm, me or the master—the stack of oats belongs to Mr. John Bennington Moore—it was of the value of 40l.—about a quarter to 6 I went out at the back door of the house and saw the stack which the Prisoner had thatched on fire—it was burnt down—it was about 5'o clock when the prisoner came for his money, as near as I could tell, and it was about half-past 5 or a quarter to 6 when the stack was on fire—the stack stood about a quarter of a mile from the farm, in the same field it grew in.

Cross-examined by the prisoner. I offered you the half sovereign on the Saturday morning when you came to me.

Prisoner. I said I had no change to give you, but I was going to the station and they would give it me there—I understood you were going to Godstone Station the same as I did, instead of that you went to Ockfie Station—if you had given me 4s. I should have been satisfied—you never offered me the money in any shape or form—I did not want to remain there all day.

Witness. I offered you two two shilling pieces in the evening and you wanted more.

Prisoner. He did not—they never offered me any money at all.

JOHN PALMER . I live at Beech farm, Botley Road—on Saturday, 24th September, about 6 in the evening, I saw the prisoner close to where I live, near botle Hall Farm—he was about 10 yards from the rick that was burnt—he said "Will you give me a incifer"—I said "Yes"—I gave him about four or five, I think—he said he would set

the stack on fire or else unthatch it—he said nothing else—he went straight up the road towards the stack, which I afterwards found on fire.

By the COURT. Q. Why did you give him the matches if he said he would set the stack on fire? A. He did not tell me that till after—I did not think he meant it—two or three men were there besides me.

EDWARD REDFORD . I am Superintendent of Police in the Godstone division—about half-past 10 on Saturday evening, 24th September, I saw the prisoner in Godstone village—I had a conversation with him—the first conversation was of a private nature—it had nothing to do with this case—I left him, and after he had got about 50 yards he shouted out "Redford, I want you"—I went to him—he commenced to cry, and said "I have been to Botley Hall Farm, they would not pay me for doing the work, and I have set the b—oat stack on fire, and I give myself up to you"—I said "It is a serious thing to say, but I must detain you"—I did not know at that time that the stack had been on fire—I took him into custody.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I have nothing to say."

Prisoner's Defence. I have no more to state—I was losing my time—they never offered me any money—when I said I had got no change, he said "Who the b—hell is to be running after you to get change; if you don't go off the premises I will lock you up."

EDWARD REDFORD (Re-examined). I have known the prisoner a good many years—I have never known anything against his character—he was sober when he met me.

GUILTY .— Six Months' Hard Labour.

Before Mr. Justice Stephen.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1094
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1094. GEORGE THOMPSON (41) , Feloniously setting fire to a stack of corn, the property of Edward Waterer Martin.

MR. ERNEST BEARD Prosecuted.

GEORGE HENRY TANSLEY . I am a bailiff for Mr. Edward Waterer Martin, a farmer, of Wood minister, near Croydon—the prisoner had been in Mr. Martin's employment for about three days—he was paid off on 18th August—I do not know of any ill-feeling in the matter—on 19th August I saw smoke rising from Port Mallow Farm, Coulsden—I went towards the farm and found a stack on fire, and the prisoner standing about 10 yards off—there was a stack of oats, and a quantity of wheat-straw; I could not say how much—I asked the prisoner who had done it, meaning the fire, and he replied "I did"—I asked him why he had done it—he replied it was because Mr. Martin had discharged him—I sent for the police and gave him into custody for setting fire to the stack—I did not notice that he said any more, because my; attention was taken up with the stack—he was a little the worse for drink—the stack was completely destroyed—the prisoner was taken to the police-station.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You did not say it was accidental, nor try to put the fire out, nor call me to help do so.

JAMES GOODFELLOW (Policeman W 99). About a quarter to 5 on 19th August I met the prisoner at Smith's End Bottom; he stopped me and entered into a conversation, and, amongst other things, asked me if there was any work about—I told him I thought so—he said he could not go on—he then asked me if there were any corn-stacks along the road, and I said I did not know—he said "I shall fire one by-and-by"—I saw he

was the worse for drink, and I advised him to lie down and have a sleep—he said he would not lie down, but would go, on, and he left me—about half an hour afterwards the carman informed me that there was a fire at Port Mallow Farm—I went towards the farm and found the prosecutor's stack on fire—the prisoner was in charge of Tansley, who said he should charge him with setting fire to the stack—I told him he would be charged with that offence—he said "I did it, and did it wilfully"—I then took him to the station—he was charged—he said he set fire to the straw, but not the oats.

JOHN PARSONS . I live at Smith's End Bottom, Coulsden—I am employed at the asylum—on the 19th August I was going along the road towards Croydon, when I met the prisoner about half a mile from where the fire was—he asked me whether Mr. Martin was carrying corn—I said "Yes, along the Banstead Road"—he then left me—I went into a building, and when I had come out I saw smoke; that was about 20 minutes afterwards—I went towards the smoke and found the prosecutor's stack on fire—I found the prisoner about 12 or 13 feet from the stack, and told him he was the man that set it alight—he said he did set it on fire to keep himself warm.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I never intended to do it wilfully; it was an accident."

Prisoner's Defence. This is how I done it: I took a pipe out of the Lion public-house, and lit it, and when it was going out put it in my pocket, and it burned a hole through my pocket and set alight to the straw. I was the worse for drink.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1095
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > hard labour

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1095. CHARLES MAYNE (15) and ALBERT SELF (19) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Margaret Bragginton, with intent to steal therein.

MR. HEDDON Prosecuted; MR. HUTTON defended Mayne.

FREDERICK BRAGGINTON . I lire at 44, Coplestone Road, Peckham, with my mother; I am eight years old—about 8 on 12th September I went to bed, and half an hour after (I had not been to sleep) I heard a knock at the area door; I went to the door, and Self asked me if Mrs. Matthews lived there; he said he would call again; I went to bed—a little while after he called again; he knocked at the same door, and I went down—he told me he had found Mrs. Matthews—he asked if my mother was in—I said "No," she was not in—Self went away again, and I went to bed—then Mayne knocked at the area door; I went down in my night dress, and Mayne said "Your mother wants you very particularly at Mrs. Goldsmith's"—she lives in Maxted Road—he said he was going down the street to my mother—I put on my clothes; while I was doing so Mayne was at the side entrance; that is not the area door—when I was dressed I came down, Mayne was at the side door—I pulled the area door to and it locked itself; and I went to my mother, leaving nobody in the house—my mother was at Mrs. Goldsmith's, and she came away with me and the boy Goldsmith—we came up the street to our house, and went round to the side entrance—we heard a chair in the kitchen move; we did not go in because we were afraid—the prisoners rushed out of the area door, which I had fastened, and which was fastened when we got back—I was standing at the side door, which was opened when I got back—when they rushed out I and Goldsmith came into the

street and ran down it and halloaed out, but they were out of sight when we got down the street, so we came back to the house—we found a policeman with my mother going over the house—I am sure the prisoners are the men who ran out of the house, and who had called at the house—Mayne used to work in my mother's greengrocer's shop; I had seen him before.

Cross-examined by MR. HUTTON. There are four doors to get into our house, the front door, the area door, and a side door, which you go through to get to the back door—my mother wont out after she had put me to bed at 8 o'clock, which is my usual time for going to bed—I was then in the house alone, there was no servant in the house—I was in bed half an hour, as near as I can tell, before I heard the knocking at the front door—I said at the police-court it was Self who told me to go down to my mother, but it was Mayne—Self came first—I am certain Mayne came to the house—I said nothing at the police-court about Mayne having been there on the previous evening—I have often been to Mrs. Goldsmith's; she lives about five minutes' walk off—I do not remember what time I got there; I was there three or four minutes, and then walked back with my mother—it was quite dark; there are no shops in our street—I was just coming up the area door steps when the prisoners came out of the area door—when I and my mother came up to the house, we went down to the area door, and they came out of the door—our house touches another house on one side—I only saw them for a moment—there was no light in the kitchen—I think there was one light in the passage.

Re-examined. Mayne was in my mother's service some time before; she is well acquainted with Mrs. Goldsmith.

By the COURT. I don't think I ever saw Self before—I know him, because the gas-light shone on his face and hair, and I saw it was flaxen.

MARGARET BRAGGINTON . I am the wife of Charles Bragginton, and I live at 44, Coplestone Road—on 12th September I left my house about a quarter to 10—I had put my son to bed some little time before—I left nobody else at home—I went out at the area door, shutting it after me; it is a lock without a key, the bolt shoots—our house has a half basement with a breakfast-room below, and there is a front gate, and then about four steps down to the area door—the steps divide the breakfast-room window from the front garden—there is a small space between the garden and the breakfast-room window that you go round to the side entrance—there are four entrances to the house—you have to go in at the front gate to get to all four entrances—I went to Mrs. Goldsmith's; while there my little boy came and spoke to me, and I went; back with him—I was on the area steps when I met the two prisoners coming out of the area door; I turned round and ran after them, and called "Stop, police!"—my boy was with me at the time—a policeman came from over the bridge and followed them, and I believe they were caught—I am quite sure the prisoners are the two men—I did not know Self before, but Mayne had lived at my shop and been in my employ for about six months—he had left about six weeks before; he took things out and went for orders—my shop is at 5, Maxted Road, only at the bottom of the street—while Mayne was with me, Mrs. Goldsmith came to my house once or twice, no doubt; I did not go to Mrs. Goldsmith's while he was there—I had sent him to Mrs. Goldsmith—Mr. Goldsmith was my

manager, and they tried Mayne after he left me—I used to go to the shop to inquire about my business, and the prisoner would be in the shop as I passed through into the sitting-room—I missed nothing from my house—I found the side door burst open, and the back kitchen window was broken open; I don't how they got in—I had left the window safely fastened—I had not sent Mayne or Self to my house to tell my son to come to Mrs. Goldsmith's—I had not seen either of them that evening.

Cross-examined. I put ray boy to bed between 8 and 9—8 is his usual time—I went out at half past nine, I should think, I don't remember looking at the time—we have front, area, side, and back doors to the house—I had been round to and locked each door before I came out; I had also fastened the window; I came out with my latchkey; it was near 10, I think, when my little boy came to me; I came away with him directly—I was on the area step going down to the area door when the prisoners rushed past me down the street—I was rather surprised; I only saw them for a moment; I next saw them at the station, where I gave them into custody about half past 12—they were followed down the road by a policeman, and caught; I did not see them caught-a policeman came directly and looked over the house; I was told two boys were in custody; I went to the station and saw the prisoners—they came out of the door together almost; I was nearly knocked down; I caught hold of the railings—my son had run round to the side entrance, he did not see them come out of the area door—directly I got into the garden he went to the back, I was going to the front with the key; he ran into the street and saw them—he could not see them come out of the area door—I lost nothing.

By the COURT. The front steps are directly opposite the gate—the area door is underneath the front steps—a boy could see into the area from the side door, but not from the passage; there is a long passage to get to the back door.

Cross-examined by Self. I identify you by your stature and hair; I am quite positive you are the man.

By MR. HUTTON. I remember fastening the back parlour window—I do not remember saying at the police-court "I believe the back parlour window was closed but not fastened;" I might have said it.

JAMES COOKE (Policeman P 82). On 12th September I was on duty in Avondale Road, East Dulwich; I heard cries of "Stop thief," and ran in the direction and met Mrs. Bragginton—she said something to me, I went after the prisoners; I went up Bellenden Road Mews and found Self in a w. c. there—I said "What are you doing here?"—he said he had permission to sleep there—I told him I should take him into custody for being concerned with another in; breaking into a house in the Coplestone Road; he said he knew nothing about it—this was 300 or 400 yards from the house—I took him to the station and went back to the same neighbourhood, and I saw Mayne in Maxted Road, about half past 11; I told him I should take him into custody for being concerned with another in breaking into a house at 44, Coplestone Road; he replied that he knew nothing about it—I took him into custody, and then he said "What, has Ginger rounded on me?"—I said nothing to that; I took him to the station—I afterwards went to this house and found the parlour window was open—I could not see any marks of violence on it where it had been broken—the catch of the window had been broken right

through—Mayne was arrested in consequence of information from Mrs. Bragginton.

Cross-examined by Self. You did not seem exhausted at all when I found you in the w.c.—I roused you up.

Cross-examined by MR. HUTTON. It was about half past 11 when I arrested Mayne.

FRANCIS HARRIS (Police Inspector). On the night of 12th September I was in the police-station when Self was brought in and charged—he said nothing—Mayne was afterwards brought in; he said nothing to the charge—I went to the house—I found the kitchen window had been forced open with a pointed instrument and the fastening of the lower part of the window had been bent upwards.

Cross-examined by MR. HUTTON. Mayne was searched at the station, nothing was found on him—Self was brought in at 12, or shortly before.

By the JURY. Self's hair may have been a little shorter when he was taken—it was curly—I can see very little difference.

MARGARET BRAGGINTON (Re-examined by MR. HUTTON). Alfred Goldsmith came back with my little boy to the house, and went round to the side entrance with him—he could not have seen the prisoners come out—they were round in the passage leading to the back door, and when I called out "Police!" they ran round, but by the time they got into the street the prisoners, were in another road—I do not think they could have seen them.

ALFRED GOLDSMITH . I live at 5, Maxted Road, Peckham—on 12th September the boy came, and I went up to Mrs. Bragginton's with him—I heard a chair move; we were then against the back kitchen door—I ran round to the side entrance and saw a boy running along by the front railings, Mayne I believe it was, from the side entrance where I was I could not see the area gate, nor the front of the house—I could not see the area steps.

Cross-examined by MR. HUTTON. I cannot swear to the man I saw come out of the house—I was at the side entrance and simply saw him go past the railings—I could not see the area door when I saw him—I gave evidence on oath at the police-court—I do not remember swearing that I saw him coming out of the area door—I cannot swear Mayne is the man, I only saw him pass, the railings—my mother's is three or four minutes' walk from Mrs. Bragginton's—we live at the shop—Mayne was not in my mother's service at this time; he was discharged—nobody has talked to me about this case—the prisoners were outside the railings when they went past.

Mayne in his statement before the Magistrate denied all knowledge of the affair Self, in his defence, said that he slept at the w.c., as he was out of employment and had no means of obtaining a lodging, and he asserted his innocence.

GUILTY .—MAYNE**— Twelve Months' Hard Labour. SELF— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1096
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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1096. JOHN JONES (21) , Feloniously uttering a bill of exchange for 93l. 12s., with intent to defraud.

MR. FULTON Prosecuted; MR. WILLES Defended.

JOHN THOMAS WALLACE . I am manager of the Southwark Branch of the London and Westminster Bank, Borough High Street—on 12th September, between 11 and 12, this document was brought to me by one of

the clerks—I directed that the person bringing it should be brought into my room, and in due course the prisoner came in—I saw it was a forgery; we have an account in the name of Wichelow. (Read: "On demand pay to our order 93l. 12s. for value reoeived. Signed F.J. Bugg and Co. Addressed to Wichelow, Russell Place, Bermondsey. Payable at the London and Westminster Bank. Endorsed, F.J. Bugg and Co.")—I said "Are you presenting this bill for payment?"—he said "Yes"—I said "Where do you come from"—he mentioned the name of some public-house—he said "A gentleman came and engaged me, and we came in a cab together to opposite the Bank; we got out and the gentleman is waiting over the way," indicating Findlater's corner, "and sent me in to obtain the money for the bill"—he said he had come with the gentleman in a cab from Bethnal Green, that would take 20 minutes to half an hour, and he was to take the money to him over the way—I told him I would send him over the way with some one to try and find the gentleman, but that in any case he must come back to me—we keep a commissionaire on the premises—I sent for him and requested him to accompany the prisoner to see if he could find the gentleman—Mr. George Wichelow is a customer of our bank—this signature does not correspond to his.

Cross-examined. I said at the police-court that the name of the public-house he mentioned was the Salmon and Ball; I don't know where it is; I believe I told the Magistrate he told me it was at Cambridge Heath.

GEORGE WICHELOW . I am a member of the firm of Wichelow and Co., leather manufacturers, of Russell Place, Bermondsey—this acceptance is not in my writing—we have had an account at the London and Westminster Bank, Southwark Branch, for 17 or 18 years—I did not authorise any one to sign this for me—no one in the firm signs but myself—this is not the writing of any member of the firm—we did business with Bugg, the drawers, 7 or 8 years ago, but we have had nothing to do with them since.

GEORGE NOAKES . I am a leather merchant, and a member of the firm of F.J. Bugg, Son, and Noakes, 2, Paradise Row, Bethnal Green—I am acquainted with the writing of all the members of the firm—in bill transactions F.J. Bugg of Ipswich always signs—this is not the writing of any member of our firm—I never saw the prisoner till he was at the police-court.

Cross-examined. The Salmon and Ball public-house, Cambridge Heath, is immediately opposite our warehouse.

By the JURY. Mr. Bugg is not in the habit of drawing bills of this kind—it should be Wichelow on us, not us on Wichelow, if it were any way—we do business with them.

THOMAS HOUGHTON . I am a commissionaire in the employment of the London and Westminster Bank—on 10th September Mr. Wallace sent for me, and gave me instructions to go out with the prisoner and see if he could find the unknown gentleman—I went out with him and crossed over to Findlater's corner, where there is a shop—the prisoner said the gentleman promised to meet him there—that was just opposite to the bank, about 45 or 50 yards as near as I could guess—I saw nothing of him—we then went over to the public-house at the corner of Duke Street, a few yards farther on—the prisoner asked me if there were any more public-houses—we went to a public-house in the Railway Approach, and we went in; but we did not find the gentleman—we went into another—the

prisoner said very probably he was there—we went into two public-houses—I was proceeding with him down the High Street after that, and he ran away—I ran after him, and called out "Stop him" repeatedly—ultimately I saw him stopped by constable Saunders.

Cross-examined. The bank is 6, High Street, Borough—this was about 11.40 a.m.—there was a good deal of traffic in the street—when I came out of the bank with the prisoner I was dressed as I am now, with all my medals on; I kept close to him, and walked across to the corner close to him—I did not let him get away from me—I had not hold of him—when he started to run away he said "There he goes," and that he was going into the urinal—there is a urinal about 400 yards from the bank—the prisoner was caught before he came to the urinal by the policeman on the right-hand side; he was not making towards the urinal but towards Southwark Street.

ROBERT KENNY (Policeman M 205). On Saturday, 10th September, I was passing along High Street, Borough, and I saw the prisoner running followed by Houghton, who was calling out "Stop him"—I ran after him between 50 and 60 yards, and saw him stopped by Saunders.

Cross-examined. He was stopped close to the urinal in Southwark Street—the prisoner gave a correct address—he had been living there some two months with his mother.

HENRY SAUNDERS (Policeman M 382). On this morning I was on duty in Southwark Street, and saw the prisoner running down High Street pursued by Houghton and other persons calling out "Stop him"—I tried to stop him—he dodged me round a urinal in the middle of the street, close to where I was standing; then he ran underneath the heads of horses attached to a cart standing there by the side of the street waiting to go into the market—I ran round the back of the cart and caught him—he said "All right, what do you want to stop me for?"—Houghton came up and said "Take him back to the bank"—as we were taking him back the prisoner said "What do you want to stop me for? I was running after a man who promised to give me 3s., now I have lost him"—he had got 7 or 8 yards from the urinal when he made that statement—he made no attempt to point out the direction in which the imaginary man had gone, or as to where he was—he did not suggest he was in the urinal or that I should go and look for him—I saw no person running in front of the prisoner—I was standing in front of him looking down the High Street—he was taken to the bank and then to the station, where he was charged with uttering this forged document—when the charge was read to him he said "I did nothing of the kind."

Cross-examined. Directly I caught him I took him to Houghton, whom I saw in his uniform and medals—there is such a public-house as the Salmon and Ball—the prisoner described himself as a labourer; I cannot say myself what he is.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "All I can say is, I am entirely innocent of this matter; I know nothing whatever of it, only what I have stated. The barmaid of the public-house is the only one who saw me with the man."

GUILTY *.— Judgment respited.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1097
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1097. THOMAS SHEARING (20) , Unlawfully attempting to commit an abominable crime with a male person unknown. Second Count, for committing an act of gross indecency.

MR. GORDON DILL Prosecuted.


Before Mr. Recorder.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1098
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1098. DAVID BROWN (20) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of William Henry Hexter, with intent to steal.

MR. WILLIS Prosecuted.

MORRIS BARON . I am a jeweller, of '190, Walworth Road—on 29th September, at 9.30 p.m., I closed the shop and went home a little after one—I was called up by the pianoforte people who came for me—I found the shutter open, the fastening of the lock broken off the shutter, also the fastening of the lock broken off the inner door—the lock was lying inside—the prisoner was in custody—I never saw him before.

WILLIAM HENRY HEXTER . I am a partner at 190, Walworth Road—on 29th September I was aroused by a noise—Is went downstairs and saw the prisoner—I asked him what he was doing there—he said "Nothing"—my partner was bringing him out from the shop—he had one leg over the shutter and one leg on the pavement—a policeman was called who took him into custody—he struggled very much before the policeman came—I had seen the shutter closed properly.

WILLIAM WICKING . I am a partner of the last witness—about one a.m. on the 30th September I was called by my daughter—I went to the front door and saw the shutter open about two or three inches, and the inner door open—the prisoner jumped up and I caught him and helped to hold him till the police came—he said he was only in there for a night's lodging.

WILLIAM LEONARD (Detective L). Hexter made a communication to me and I went to the shop and found Wicking and another man struggling violently with the prisoner—I took hold of the prisoner with the assistance of a uniform constable—he said "I will go quiet, I won't give any more trouble"—at the station before he was charged he said "The shutter was open, and as I was returning from the South (meaning the South London Music Hall), I went in there for a sleep"—he was charged and the charge was read over to him and he made no reply—I examined the premises and found the fastening of the revolving shutter had been forced off—I compared this knife, which I found on the prisoner, with the marks on the wooden shutter, and they corresponded—a staple had been forced off the inner door and was lying on the floor, also this padlock.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not bend the knife with my fingers.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate" Coming along from the South the shutters was up and I thought the shop was empty, so I lay down there and went to sleep. I never broke any lock off. I never touched the place in any way. I had nothing at it. The knife was bent a month ago by taking a stone out of a horse's hoof. It can be bent with your fingers; it would not be strong enough to force anything."

GUILTY .— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1099
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1099. GEORGE BRADFORD (33) was indicted for wilful and corrupt perjury.

MR. POLAND Prosecuted.

JOHN NIXON . I am second clerk at Lambeth Police-court—on September 28, 1887, a summons was heard by Mr. Chance against the Commissioners of Police to try the question whether they should give up a

watch—the prisoner was sworn, and claimed the watch and chain—I took down his evidence—these are my original notes. (These being read, stated that he, the prisoner, was a betting agent, and that he was arrested on suspicion of having counterfeit coin in his possession, and that his watch and chain, which he had bought of Mr. Roskill, of Liverpool, for 14l. 14s., were taken from him by the police, and he was told to apply for them at that Court in six months' time.)The case was adjourned till October 12th, when the owner of the watch and the watchmaker were called, and the summons was dismissed, and the prisoner was committed for perjury.

JAMES MORRISON . I am a clerk, and live at 53, Gibson Square, Islington—I bought this gold chain on 5th May, 1885, of Spink and Sons, and this watch from Roskill, of Liverpool, on 23rd May, 1885, for 25l., by letter—I did not go to Liverpool; I sent a cheque for 25l., and got the watch and the receipt—the number of the watch is 73234—I wore the watch and chain till June, 1886, when they were stolen from me in the street in London—Mr. Roskill afterwards wrote to me, and I went to the police-court in October.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I do not know how I lost them—I sent my address to Mr. Roskill; this is the letter I wrote (produced).

WILLIAM BARNARD . I am a pawnbroker, of 10, St. George's Circus—this chain was pawned with me for 6l. in the name of George Johnson.

MICHAEL GIBSON ROSKILL . I am a watchmaker, of 21, Church Street, Liverpool—this watch is my manufacture; I sold it, by letter, to Mr. Morrisson, of 53, Gibson Square, in May, 1885, for 25l.—these are his letters ordering it, and this is the bill and the receipt dated May 22nd, 1885—it is numbered 73234—I have never seen the prisoner before—I had an application from the police in May, 1886, for information.

Cross-examined. I refused to give up the customer's name without his authority—I did not write to the customer; I waited for a communication from him—I never wrote to the police.

ALFRED WARD (Detective Sergeant L). On 28th August, 1886, I took the prisoner in Lambeth, on another charge—I found this watch on him and a pawn-ticket for a chain pawned on August 15th, 1886—he said "The watch is mine; I bought it of the maker, Mr. Roskill, of Liverpool, in 1884, the year Busybody won the 1000 Guineas, for 18 guineas"—I said "How do you account for this ticket, which relates to a valuable chain?"—he said "I bought that for 14l. at the same time"—he was taken before a Magistrate, remanded three times, and discharged on September 20, as we were not able to trace the owner of the watch and chain, and the Magistrate ordered the police to keep them, and we have had them ever since—we afterwards found out the owner, and got him to attend—we communicated with the Liverpool police, but not with Mr. Roskill.

Cross-examined. The information we got from Liverpool was that the watch had been sold to a Mr. Morrisson, address unknown.

The prisoner in his statement before the Magistrate and in his defence said that he bought the watch and chain at Kempton Park Races, on 7th July, of a gentleman who told him he bought it at Roskill's, and therefore he thought he had better say that he bought it there, than at the races.

GUILTY . † —Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

There was another indictment against him for stealing the watch and chain.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1100
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1100. FREDERICK WILLIAMS (19) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. POLAND Prosecuted.

ANNIE JONES . I keep a provision shop at 75, Oakley Street—on 17th October I served the prisoner with two eggs, price 1 1/2 d.—he tendered a florin; I told him it was bad and asked him for the eggs back; he gave them to me and put his hand out for the florin but I would not give it to him—I bent it in the tester and he left—I followed him; he spoke to a man 10 yards from my shop and they walked up the street together—I spoke to a constable and gave the prisoner in custody—he ran away but the constable ran after him and took him—I had seen the prisoner before passing my shop with the same man.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You were sober; you understood what I said quite well.

WILLIAM STEPHEN (Policeman L 187), The last witness pointed out the prisoner to me about 150 yards from her shop—I was in uniform and was going to lay hold of him but he ran away—I ran after him 350 yards and caught him—he said "Yes; you have got me; I was foolish to run away; it is my first time"—I searched him at the station and found two good half-crowns, a good shilling, and a penny—he was sober; he gave his address, 10, Isabella Street, Oakley Street, Lambeth—before going before the Magistrate he said "A man gave me the two-shilling-piece to get the eggs; I know the man but do not know his name—I found five pawn tickets on him, one dated 17th October—Miss Jones gave me this florin.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I did not have the struggle with the constable or try to slip away. I know where I got the money from in the morning. I changed some gold in the Oakley Arms."

WILLIAM STEPHEN (Re-examined). He bent down his head and slipped under my arms.

Prisoner's Defence. I did not know it was bad. I told the man I was going home; he gave me the two-shilling-piece and asked me to tea with him, and said "If you get two eggs we will get some bacon farther on."


24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1101
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1101. WILLIAM TAYLOR (35) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. POLAND Prosecuted.

GEORGE HODGES . I am under-barman at the Railway Tavern, London Bridge—on 13th October, about 3 p.m., I served the prisoner with a glass of ale—he gave me a half-crown, I bent it in the tester, and he ran out without it, and without drinking the beer—I called Mr. Clark, who ran after him, and he was brought back—I gave the coin to Mr. Clark.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not hear you ask for half an ounce of tobacco at the same time.

GEORGE CLARK . I am manager of the Railway Tavern, London Bridge—Hodges called me from the other bar and I went into the street and saw the prisoner four doors off—he ran and I ran after him; he dodged behind some vans and ran up some steps to Tooley Street—I called "Stop him;" a gentleman stopped him at the top of the steps, and I gave him into custody—he was taken to the house and Hodges identified him.

ROBERT BINNING (Policeman 273). The prisoner was given into my custody—I took him to the Railway Tavern, and Hodges identified him—he gave his name William Taylor and said that he had no fixed home—I said "Where have you been working?"—he said "I have been out of work so long that I forget"—Mr. Clark gave me this coin.

Cross-examined. You did not say "I have not been in regular work; I have been jobbing."

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . I am Inspector of Coin to Her Majesty's Mint—this half-crown is bad.

GUILTY .— Four Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1102
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1102. THOMAS ANDREWS (30) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin twice within 10 days. The prisoner having stated that ho was guilty, the Jury found him

GUILTY .**— Fifteen Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1103
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1103. THOMAS PHILLIPS (20) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. POLAND Prosecuted.

LAURA AMELIA PARIS . My husband keeps the Pelican public-house, Southwark Street—on 29th September the prisoner came in with another man who went into another compartment—I served the other man first with some beer, he paid with 1d.—the prisoner asked me for a half-pint of ale and a pennyworth of tobacco, price 2d.—he gave me a bad florin—I said "How many more have you of them? do you know it is bad?"—he said "I was not aware of it"—I said "Where did you get it?"—he said "I have been doing a job in the country and spent something coming along, and that is the remains of it"—I called my husband and said "I shall give you in charge and find out where you got it from"—the other man then left his beer and went out—I asked the prisoner if that man was in league with him—he said no, he had never seen him before—I said "Have your ever been here before?"—he said no; but I think I have seen him there, I am not positive—I asked what money he had—he said 1 1/2 d.—I gave him in custody with the coin.

JOHN MORRIS (Policeman M 155). I was called and the prisoner was given into my charge, with this florin—he said he was not aware it was bad—as I took him to the station he said "Ain't I as likely to have a bad one as you?"—he had 1 1/2 d. on him—I asked him his name at the station, he refused to give it, but he gave it to the Magistrate the next morning—I asked his address, he said "Why should I give you any address?"

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . This florin is bad.

GUILTY .— Six Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1104
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1104. ALFRED SHROUDER (24) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. POLAND Prosecuted.

LISSA BROOKS . I am single, and keep the King of Prussia, Charlotte Street—on 8th October about 5 p.m., the prisoner came in with another man—I served him with two half-pints of ale—he was a long while finding the twopence—they remained talking half an hour, and then the prisoner called for a pennyworth of tobacco and tendered a bad florin—I said "Do you see what you have given me?"—he said "Yes, I knew it was bad, I gave it to you in mistake; give it me back?"—I refused—he offered me a good sixpence, which I refused, and spoke to my sister, and

had the door closed—a policeman came, searched the prisoner, and took him to the station—the other man was allowed to go—I took the florin to the station and gave it to the inspector—the constable took charge of it—the prisoner was sober, but at the station he feigned drunkenness.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You said that you knew it was bad, not that you did not know it.

WILLIAM LUMLEY (Policeman M 305). I was called, searched the prisoner, and found on him three good sixpences and sevenpence-halfpenny—I took him to the station—he appeared quite sober when he walked with me, but at the station ho appeared drunk and incapable, which was put on—he would not give his name or address, and was put into a cell—while he was waiting to go before the Magistrate I asked him his name, he said "Alfred Shrouder"—I then asked his address, he said" No, I won't tell you"—he never gave any address—I produce the coin, Miss Brooks brought it to the station.

JOHN BARNETT (Policeman M 137). On Sunday, 9th October, I was on reserve duty at the station, and about 6.30 a.m. I went to the prisoner's cell and asked his name and address—he said "Alfred Shrouder; I am living with my brother, and we have had a quarrel and I have no home"—I asked where his brother lived, he said "I refuse to tell you, because I don't want him to know where I am"—he said that he was a shoemaker.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . This florin is bad.

The prisoner in his statement before the Magistrate and in his defence said that he received the money for the sale of a pair of boots.

GUILTY . **— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1105
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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1105. ROBERT CRISP (47) , Feloniously uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. POLAND Prosecuted.

CHARLES HORATIO COX . I keep the Rose and Crown, Southwark Park Road—on 12th October I saw my wife serve the prisoner, who was 2 yards from me—he put down a florin, she handed it to me, and I found it was bad—I bent it a little on the counter, handed it back to the prisoner, and told him it was bad—he said "I see you have bent it for me," and put it in his mouth and bent it straight—he pretended to be drunk—he pulled out some silver and copper, but I took the beer from him and told him to be off—Lenchbury, a detective who was in the bar, went after him.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I told you you had had quite enough to drink—I am sure it was bad.

MRS. COX. I am the wife of the last witness—I served the prisoner—he gave me this florin, I gave it to my husband, who tried it and gave it back to the prisoner, and the detective went out after him.

CATHERINE KNIGHT . I am the wife of Robert Knight, who keeps a ham and beef shop at 191, Grange Road—on 12th October I served the prisoner with 1/2 lb. of beef, price 7d., he threw a florin on the marble counter—it sounded all right, and I gave him 1s. 5d. change—directly he left I took it to my husband, who found it was bad and rushed into the street—the prisoner was brought back in custody, and I gave the coin to one of the constables.

ROBERT KNIGHT . My wife showed me this florin, I found it was bad, rushed into the street, and found the prisoner in custody—he said "It is a mistake, do not charge me."

Cross-examined. I may have said I did cot want to charge you, but Lenchbury persuaded me to go to the station—I took you to be an honest working man, and thought I was mistaken.

GEORGE LENCHBURY (Detective M). On 12th October I was in plain clothes in the Rose and Crown, talking to the landlord—he spoke to the prisoner, who appeared all right at first, but afterwards he staggered a little—a bad florin was given back to him and the beer taken away—he left and I followed him to Grange Road, and saw him speak to another man—I met another officer in plain clothes; we both followed him, but lost sight of him; we afterwards saw him coming out of Mr. Knight's, 191, Greenwich Road—he ran as fast as he could; I ran 40 or 60 yards and caught him, and took him back to Mr. Knight's—he said "It is a mistake, don't charge me"—I took him to the station, and found on him 3 good shillings, 3 good sixpences, and 1s. 5d. in bronze—the florin given back to him has not been found; he gave his correct address.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . This florin is bad.

The prisoner in his defence said that he did not know that the coin was bad, not being able to see without glasses, and that he got it in change for two half-crowns.


He then PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction at this Court of feloniously uttering counterfeit coin in November, 1884.— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1106
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1106. LEON BERNHEIM (19) , Stealing a brooch from Manomohan Ghose. Second Count, feloniously receiving the same.

MR. LYNE Prosecuted, and the evidence was interpreted to the prisoner.

MANOMOHAN GHOSE . I am an English barrister, practising in the High Court of Calcutta—last Friday week I was staying at the Alexandra Hotel, Hyde Park, and missed from a drawer in my bedroom, my wife's brooch set with pearls—this is it (produced) and the case—Sergeant Scott brought it to me last Tuesday; I paid about 15l. for it.

GEORGE HOLMES . I am assistant to Mr. Butterfield, pawnbroker, of Lower Kennington Lane—on 13th October, in the afternoon, the prisoner brought this brooch and tried to make me understand that he wanted a sovereign advanced on it; I did not feel satisfied and gave him in charge.

FREDERICK COURT (Policeman L 86). I took the prisoner; he broke away from me, but I caught him—he said that the brooch was given to him by a man in Brussels, who he did not know.

The prisoner stated through the interpreter that he received the brooch in Brussels four days before he was arrested in London.

GUILTY of receiving. Nine Months' Hard Labour.

There was another indictment against the prisoner.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1107
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > hard labour

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1107. GEORGE COWLEY (27) and GEORGE DOWSETT (25) , Robbery with violence on John Kahn, and stealing 2l. 9s., his money.

MR. DOUGLAS Prosecuted; MR. WARBURTON defended Cowley.

JOHN KAHN . I am a timber dealer, of 22, Briscoe Road, Merton—on Thursday night, September 29th, I went to the Castle public-house, Tooting Broadway, at 10 o'clock—I left between 11.30 and 12, having had some drink there—I had had a little drink before—I saw the two prisoners there and several others; I left them there—when I had got half a mile from the Castle, Cowley caught hold of my hand and Dowsett of

my collar, and dragged me round a turning—I tried to get over a fence, but could not—they pushed me down the turning—one kicked me on the back of my legs—I fell back upon Cowley's knee; he put one foot to hold me, and said to Dowsett "Make for his purse"—Dowsett said "I have got that"—they then dropped me on the ground and started kicking me, and took me up and threw me over the fence—one of them said "Go and kick the old b—in case he comes after us"—he jumped over and kicked me on the inside of the knee, and they both ran through the opening in the hedge at the bottom of Carwood Street—I saw no more of them—I could not get up—I fainted away and did not come to for two hours—I then walked home by catching hold of the fences—I missed my purse containing two sovereigns and 9s.; it was safe in the Castle, and the prisoners saw me take it out.

Cross-examined. I only went into one public-house that evening at Kensington, and I only had two half-pints at the Castle—I gave some men who were out of work 1s. for beer, and I drank some of it—roughly speaking I imbibed nearly a quart—if anybody says I was hopelessly drunk that is quite untrue—I had no spirits—I do not know that Cowley had been a neighbour of mine for some years—I know his brother in the village—I have had no quarrel with them—I paid for six pots of ale in the public-house—they threw me over two barred fences from 4 to 6 feet high—they took me by my shoulders and legs and chucked me over.

CHARLES COLLARD MILTON . I keep the Castle, High Street, Tooting—on 29th September the two prisoners were there and about a dozen in all, and Mr. Kahn—I saw him leave—I did not notice the time—I did not see whether the two prisoners left before or after him—I have seen them there on several occasions—Mr. Kahn was sober—I served him—a man named May paid for some drink for the men, and Mr. Kahn for the other part—I do not think they all came in together—they were all very friendly—Cowley's brother was there, and he remained there.

GEORGE BARNES (Policeman 6 VR). On 3rd September, at 12.50 a.m., I was in High Street, Lower Tooting, and saw Cowley and another man dressed in dark clothes coming from the direction of the place in which this assault took place, about a quarter of a mile from it—Cowley turned down Selkirk Road, where he lived—I cannot swear to the other man.

Cross-examined. It was a light night—there were lamps at the corner.

NATHAN LEE (Police Inspector V). I took Dowsett on 7th October, at 5.30 p.m.—I told him it was on suspicion of being concerned with Cowley, who was in custody, for highway robbery and assault on Mr. Khan—he said "I was not there, I was asleep; you think because I have been in one case I have been in this one"—I took him to the station, placed him with eight or nine persons similar to himself, and Mr. Khan identified him—he said "Mr. Kahn, you have made a mistake; you have got the wrong man, I was not there, I was at home in bed"—he commenced crying and said "It is the first time I have done such a thing in my life; you will suffer for this before you die."

HARRY LE MESURIER . I took Cowley on October 1st at the Fox public-house—I told him he resembled the man whose description I had and I should take him to the station on suspicion—he said nothing.

WILLIAM TYLER . I am a medical man, of 2, Clifton Villas, Tooting—on Monday, October 3, I saw Mr. Kahn, he was suffering from a dislocation of the right shoulder-blade, which might have been occasioned by

a fall if thrown over a fence—a kick would not be so liable to do it—dragging him along violently might do it—there wore no marks on him, but he complained of very great tenderness behind one of his knees.

Witnesses for the Defence.

WILLIAM JOHNSON . I am a chimney sweep, of High Street, Tooting—on 29th September, about 9.55 p.m., I went into the Castle, and saw the prosecutor—I think he had been drinking—beer was called for, four and eight pots at a time, by him and another man—he was paying as much as the other—between 30 and 40 pots were called for, and I dare say he paid for more than half of them—there were a great many people there—I did not notice Cowley leave, but I saw him again at 12.30—he was with me outside our house—Kahn was perfectly drunk—he treated me.

Cross-examined. I did not leave till 12.30, and when I got out I saw him outside.

JOHN SMITH . I am a painter, of 7, Carnwell Stroot, Merton Road—on 29th September I was at the Castle, and Kahn stood a drink to me—he ordered four pots at the time, and treated them right and left—he was very drunk—I was in his company an hour and a half—there was a large crowd there.

GEORGE OSBORNE . I am a bricklayer, of Lower Tooting—I was in the Castle when Kahn came in—he was very much the worse for drink—I did not drink any of his beer, I had my own.

Dowsett's Defence. I had nothing to do with this—I was in bed and asleep.


COWLEY then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction at this Court in June, 1886.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour. DOWSETT*— Twelve Month' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1108
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1108. WILLIAM TURNER alias PHILTRIP (50) and ANN KEENS (25) , Unlawfully conspiring to obtain 5l. and 1l. 4s. from H.M. Postmaster-General.


GEORGE ROBERT EVERETT . I am senior clerk in the Savings Bank department, General Post Office—I was instructed to inquire into the account of Sarah Philtrip—I produce from the Savings Bank department four notices of withdrawal and an authority to withdraw money—on Sunday night, 3rd September, I saw the prisoner Turner at Hackney Police-station and said "Where is your mother's deposit book?"—he said "I know nothing about it, it is at home in the box under my mother's bed"—I said "The book was produced at Homerton High Street Post-office on September 1st by the woman who you sent there, and who you represented to be your wife"—he said "She is my wife, but I know nothing about the book, if it is not in my mother's box it ought to be."

SARAH PHILTRIP . I am a widow, and live at 73, Goodinge Road, Holloway—the male prisoner is my son—in August last I lived at 4, Harwich Street, Camberwell, and had a deposit book with the post-office—this is it (produced)—I kept it in a box under my bed—I went out to work one day in August at 6.30 a.m., and missed it when I came home—I believe the prisoner Keens lived with my son as his wife—he went away about a fortnight before I lost my book—the last time I

withdrew any money from the Post-office was in February—I did not write any of these notices or receipts signed Sarah Philtrip—I am no scholar—I once sent my son to get money for me, but I never told him to get 5l. or 1l. from the Post-office—I know nothing of it.

Cross-examined by Turner. You did not ask me to let you sign my name in August—I did not pawn your suit of clothes to pay for a broken window—I did not give you orders to get 1l. out.

EDWARD PINDAR . I am a physician and surgeon of 13, Camberwell green—this paper has got my name to it—I did not sign it or authorise anyone to do so—I have known Mrs. Philtrip a good many years.

EDWARD TUCKER HUDSON . I am a clerk in the Savings Bank department, G.P.O—these two notices of withdrawal came into my hands, and made out these two warrants and addressed them to the addresses given in the notices, 30, Dunnington Street, Homerton; they would be sent by post that evening.

THOMAS HALE WILLIAMS . I am Post Office receiver, Soutnhampton Street, Camberwell—I identify this warrant B as having been paid at my office on August 16th—on 26th August Turner came there and presented the warrant signed Sarah Philtrip and this deposit book—I told him it was not his book, and I could not pay him the money, the depositor must come herself—he said "It is my mother; can you pay me?"—I said "No"—he said "She is ill and cannot come"—I gave him a form to be filled up, to be signed by her in the doctor's presence—I partly filled it up, and he took it away, and returned and gave me the form with the signature purporting to be Dr. Pindar's—I told him to sign his name to the warrant, and paid him the 5l. And entered it in the deposit-book—shortly afterwards Mrs. Philtrip came and complained of having lost her book.

Cross-examined by Turner. I did not tell you it was a mere matter of form; I did not say "If you don't care about doing it I will do it for you."

HENRY SLINGSBY STEPHENS . I am a Post Office receiver at 154, High Street Homerton—on September 1st Turner called there and produced this paper, which purports to be addressed by the Savings Bank department to Mrs. Philtrip: "Madam,—I request you to call at the Post Office Homerton, with reference to a communication from the receiver"—he said he had come for the money—I said "You are not 'Madam'"——he said "No, that is my wife"—I said "I have nothing to do with you; you must send your wife"—he left and I kept the paper—half an hour after wards the female prisoner called and produced the bank book—she said "There seems to be some mistake about the money; too much was put onto the warrant; I am not much of a scholar, will you look and see how much there is owing"—I examined the book and found 4s. 3d. to the depositor's credit—she said "What shall I do?—I said "You had better take a warrant out for the 4s. 3d.," and gave her this notice of withdrawal form—it has my stamp on it.

SUSAN SEAMAN . I am servant to the last witness—on September 1st I saw the two prisoners together opposite the post-office; Turner came in, and Keens waited outside—I saw them go away together and presently Keens returned and went into the post-office with somthing like a dirty Bank-book in her hand—I am certain of her.

ANN GILBERT . I am former husband; her

proper name is Catherine Ann Dyball—she lives with Turner—I live at 30, Dallington Road, Homerton—on August 24th Turner called on me, and next day they both came, and he had a bank-book—he said that he had 5l. saved up in the bank and was going to draw it out and have a little home of his own, and in three weeks he would marry my daughter—they asked me if I would take letters in in the name of Philtrip; I said that I did not mind—in a few days a letter in that name came, and Turner called and took it away—my daughter was not with him—one of them afterwards told me there would be another letter, which came, and I met them and told them it had come, and I met them again and they said that they had got it—on 2nd September I met them in Wick Road, Homerton, and said "There have been two gentlemen from the bank about the bank-book and the letters that came to my place"—she turned very pale, and was very much frightened—he said "Don't be frightened; I suppose mother has missed the bank-book and the clothes; I will send her the bank-book home again."

GEOEGE FRY (Police Inspector P). I took Turner on September 1st, and said to him next day "I am going to Hackney to search your lodgings; you have already said you took the things; you might say where I can find them"—he said "You will find the bank-book under the cover on the sideboard"—I said "What about the withdrawal of the money?"—he said "I went to the post-office, Southampton Street, with the form, and the postmaster told me I could not withdraw it as I was not the depositor, but I must fill up this form, handing me a form partly filled up, and the postmaster said 'You must get your mother to sign it there, and the doctor on the other side.' I took the form and wrote my mother's name on it in the office. He said 'Now you must get the doctor to sign it.' Dr. Pindar is our doctor. I took the form from the postmaster and signed the doctor's name." I said "You mean to say you did all that in the office?"—he said "Yes; I cannot say whether the postmaster saw me do it, but I never left the office with the form"—he also said that his mother gave him the deposit-book to show his agent to go and get a house—I found the deposit-book at Hackney, at the place he told me.

Turner produced a written defence, stating that he asked his mother to draw out a pound for him, which she could not do as she was going into the country to work, but told him that he might do so; and that he drew out a pound and signed her name, and afterwards drew out 5 l. without speaking to her, as she had told him to look out for a house, and told him to do the best he could; that he had kept his mother for twelve months, and he had her permission to do what he had done.


24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1109
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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1109. WILLIAM TURNER was again indicted for forging and uttering a request for the payment of 5l., having been convicted at Maidstone in April, 1879, to which he

PLEADED GUILTY **.— Seven Years' Penal servitude.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1110
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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1110. WILLIAM TURNER and ANN KEENS Were again indicted for stealing a shawl, a chemise, and other article, the property of Sarah Philtrip.

SARAH PHILTRIP . I am a widow, of 4, Harwich Street, Camberwrell—Turner is my son; he lived with me, but left at the end of August—I

then missed a shawl, 2 petticoats, a crossover, a chemise, and other things (produced); these are them—I did no give them to him or to the woman he lives with.

Cross-examined by Turner. We had lodgers-you have helped to keep me for the last 12 months, and I have assisted you—I go out charing—I did not tell you to take these things for your wife; she sold them, I was told—I have never lent her things when she was going out—sometimes you gave me 10s. on Saturday nights and sometimes 12s., but I had to keep you-you paid for all your food.

WILLIAM JUBEY (Policeman 38). I took Keens at Denmark Hill, and told her the charge—she made no reply.

GEORGE FRY (Police Inspector P). I took Turner on 3rd September, on the former charge, and for not reporting himself to the police—he said that I had taken the wrong party, but said nothing about these things—I found them next day not a house where the prisoners live together, and the shawl and petticoat I found in pawn, and the jacket at a second-hand shop about ten doors from where the prisoners live.

MARY ANN BRAY . I am a widow, of 5, Harwich Street, Camberwell—one morning shortly before the prisoners were arrested I saw Keens; she had a little girl with her—I saw her again in the evening carrying a bundle—I saw her and Turner go into his mother's and come out, and she was carrying a bundle; I live next door to them.

Turner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I say some of the articles do not belong to my mother; I gave the articles to this woman to carry away; she never had them in her possession."

Turner's Defence. What she was carrying was my working clothes done up in a white apron.

Witness for the Defence.

ALFRED PHILTRIP . I am Turner's brother—I gave this valance to my mother two years ago when my wife died, and the sheets too, and she told me they were my brother's.

TURNER— GUILTY .— Five Years' Penal Servitude to run concurrent with his former sentence.


24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1111
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1111. WILLIAM CHADWICK KNOWLES, Unlawfully attempting to carnally know Rose Pilgrim, aged 13 years and 10 days.

MR. PURCELL Prosecuted.


24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1112
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour; Imprisonment > hard labour

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1112. JOHN WILLIS (28) and GEORGE CLARKE (24) PLEADED GUILTY to burglariously entering the dwelling-house of Valentine Smith with intent to steal, also to being found by night with housebreaking implements in their possession.

WILLIS— Nine Months' Hard Labour. —CLARKE— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1113
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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1113. SAMUEL LARCOMBE (36) to burglary in the dwelling-house of Emily Mary Bates and stealing a salver and other articles, her property.— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] Judgment respited.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1114
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1114. HENRY THOMAS SKELTON (25) to burglary in the dwelling-house of Henry Longhurst, and stealing a pair of boots and a wrapper, the property of Thomas Bywater.— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] Nine Months' Hard Labour. And

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1115
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1115. GEORGE LAWRENCE to unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin twice in the same day.— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] Nine Months' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1116
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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1116. HENRY WALKER (35) , Unlawfully attempting to carnally know Eva Lydia Lowell, aged 11 years.

MR. SAUNDERS Prosecuted.

GUILTY .— Twelve Month' Hard Labour.

24th October 1887
Reference Numbert18871024-1117
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1117. WILLIAM WILSON (53) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Frank Sire, therein stealing a box of fret saws, a planing-iron, and a dish cover, his property.

FRANK SIRE . I am a merchant of 36, Villa Road, Brixton—on 19th October I went to bed, just before 10 o'clock, after closing the house—the kitchen window was closed but there was no fastening to it—about 2 o'clock I was awoke by hearing a noise, and saw the reflection of a light, and got out of bed, and went down to the front door, and fetched a policeman, and went through to the back, and found the prisoner in the garden—the kitchen window was open—in the garden I found this box of fret saws and other tools which are mine; they are worth 30s. or 2l.—they were safe in my house the night before—the prisoner said he gave himself up; he did not want to get away—next morning I found a knife, hidden in the mould of the path.

Cross-examined. The window is big enough for you to got through; it revolves on its centre.

FREDERICK SMITH (Policeman W 530). On 20th October about 2.15 a.m., I was in Wiltshire Road, Brixton-Mr. Sire came to me, I went to his house, and saw the back kitchen window open, and the prisoner standing at the top of the steps in the back garden—I asked him what he was doing there, he said "All right, I don't want to run away, I will go quietly, I am starving, I have had nothing to eat for three days"—he then turned to the prosecutor and said "Give us a chance, governor"—I took him to the station and charged him, and ho said "I put my arm through the window and took them off the table"—I found on him this candle and matches and key, and a pipe of tobacco.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I came to the house directly—I cannot say whether you had time to get away after the door was shut.

WILLIAM JEWRY (Police Inspector W). I took the charge at the station—before the prisoner was charged I went to the prosecutor's house and found these two boxes on the steps outside the kitchen window—I also found candle drippings on those boxes and on the frame—I found this walking stick against the back door.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "It was not burglaly, I was not in the house, I was in the garden; the window was pushed open, I went to see if I could get some bread."

The prisoner in a written defence stated that he wan there to see if he could get any bread for his children and himself as he had had nothing to eat for three days; and that he did not go there with the intention of committing a burglary, but seeing these things on the window sill he took them.