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Sessions Paper.








Short-hand Writers to the Court,












On the Queen's Commission of



The City of London,





Held on Monday, May 6th, 1878, and following days,

BEFORE THE RIGHT HON. THOMAS SCAMBLER OWDEN, LORD MAYOR of the City of London; The Hon. Sir ROBERT WILLIAM GROVE , Knt., one of the Justices of the Common Pleas Division of the High Court of Justice; The Hon. Sir CHARLES POLLOCK, Knt., one of the Barons of the Exchequer Division of the High Court of Justice; THOMAS SIDNEY, Esq., THOMAS QUESTED FINNIS, Esq., WILLIAM LAWRENCE , Esq., and Sir THOMAS DAKIN, Knt., Aldermen of the said City; Sir THOMAS CHAMBERS, Knt., Q.C., M.P., Recorder of the said City; JOHN WHITTAKER ELLIS, Esq., JAMES FIGGINS, Esq., and EDGAR BREFFIT, Esq., D.C.L., other of the Aldermen of the said City; WILLIAM THOMAS CHARLEY, Esq., M.P., Common Serjeant of the said City; and ROBERT MALCOLM KERR, Esq., LL.D., Judge of the Sheriffs' Court; Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer and General Gaol Delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.


JOHN STAPLES , Esq., Alderman,







A star (*) denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars (**) that they have been more than once in custody—an obelisk (†) that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—he figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.


OLD COURT.Monday, May 6th, 1878.

Before Mr. Recorder.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-468
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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468. CHARLES CHERWOOD (34) was indicted for feloniously altering an order for 5l. 11s. 8d. to 511l. 0s. 8d.

MESSRS. POLAND and STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution; and MR. CHARLES MATHEWS the Defence.

WILLIAM STREET . I am a wholesale cabinet-maker, and live at Pembroke Lodge, Croydon Road, Penge—I keep an account at the Shoreditch branch of the Central Bank of London—on 1st March I drew a cheque on this form (produced)—I have the counterfoil here—I handed the cheque to Mr. Cross—at that time it was for 5l. 11s. 8d.—the counterfoil bears that amount—I did not know much of Cross—he sold mats for packing furniture—he came round to sell them—I hare never seen him since—it was about six in the evening when I drew the cheque—the original "5" has been left, and the "8d." for the pence—I can't say whether the "£" signifying pounds is mine—I should say not—the words "hundred and eleven pounds" have been put in.

Cross-examined. I do not Know where Cross lives—I had two, three, or perhaps four dealings with him before—I had never given him a cheque before—I gave it him at my place of business, at the Railway Arches, New Inn Yard, Shoreditch—I do not know a man named Hayes—there were two or three people with Cross when I gave him the cheque—I can't say whether Hayes was one of them—I know nothing of Cross beyond the two or three dealings—I don't know that he has been in trouble—I don't know where he has gone to.

HERBERT RIPLEY COLLINS . I am a cashier in the Shoreditch branch of the Central Bank of London—Mr. Street keeps an account there, and I am acquainted with his signature—on Saturday, 2nd March, about 1 o'clock, this cheque was presented to me over the counter—the person asked me for Bank of England notes, and that he wanted small ones—I cashed the cheque—I made this entry at the time—there was a 100l. note, No. 82525, dated June 13th, 1877, two 50l. notes, one No. 004647, dated 13th August, 1877, and 31 tens, 14 consecutive numbers, 03157 to'70 inclusive, dated 11th August, 1877, and the other 17, Nos. 16551 to '67,

same date, 1l. in gold, and eight pence, making up the 511l. 0s. 8d.—I can't say whether it was endorsed "William Cross" at the time it was brought to me, or done in my presence, it being a bearer cheque—Mr. Street keeps a large account, so that I was able to pay it at once—I do not recognise the prisoner—it was a man who presented it—I don't remember whether it was a man I had seen before.

Cross-examined. I have said before that I believed I should recognise the person to whom I cashed the cheque.

HENRY TAYLOR (City Detective). In consequence of instructions on 2nd March I went to Newington Causeway about 3.15 in the afternoon—I saw the prisoner leaving the shop of Mr. Kino, a tailor—he was about to get into a cab when I went up to him and said "My name is Taylor, I am a detective officer of the City police, and have to arrest you on suspicion of forging letters of credit on the London Joint Stock Bank," he said "Yes"—I said "You will have to accompany me to the City"—on the way he said "Let me understand you distinctly"—I then repeated what I have already said—at the Bow Lane station he said "What am I waiting here now for?"—I said "For Sergeant Moss, who has the case in hand, and who will explain matters to you"—he said "The only transaction I have had with the Joint Stock Bank was a cheque for 51l.," and he handed this cheque to me—he said "I know I am a wide man, and don't want to be shown up"—I asked him to produce everything he had got about him, and he handed me over a variety of articles—he took two small bottles from his pocket and was about to dash them on the floor—I took them from his hand and said "What have you there?"—he said "It is medicine"—at the station he gave the name of Charles Cherwood—he refused his address. (The 51l. cheque was signed J. Watson, payable to Charles Cherwood, and so endorsed.)

Cross-examined. When I arrested the prisoner I told him it was on suspicion of forging letters of credit, not for forging on the London Joint Stock Bank.

JOHN MOSS (City Detective Sergeant). On Saturday, 2nd March, I saw the prisoner at the Bow Lane station—I told him he would be charged with forging 10 letters of credit or circular notes, eight of which had been changed at the Grand Hotel at Paris—he said, "I have never been across the water; I have never been to Paris"—I saw Taylor take from him this 100l. bank note, No. 822, 525, dated 13th June, 1877, six 10l. notes, Nos. 16, 555 to 16, 560, dated 11th August, and 10l. in gold and a few shillings in silver—I produce the two bottles I saw at the station marked D and E—after the prisoner had been charged at the station I went to 39, St. Mark's Road, Kennington, which I knew to be his address—I had caused him to be watched—in the front room, ground floor, I found on a table this camel-hair brush and a small piece of sponge, and in a glass on the table I found some liquid—I put that in a bottle labelled A—I also found a bottle, marked B, in the same room, and another, marked C, containing size—in the pocket-book taken from the prisoner at the station I found these two camel-hair brushes—at his lodgings I found a seven-barrel revolver, loaded, a box of cartridges, and a pawn-ticket dated 23rd February, 1878, in the name of George Wood—I gave the bottles to Dr. Saunders—at the time he was charged I did not know of this case.

Cross-examined. I know nothing personally of Cross—I can't say

whether he is a convicted or suspected person; what I have heard would be against him—I have sought for him, and have not been able to find him—I ascertained, not his address, but where he had been seen occasionally—I know nothing of Hayes in connection with Cross, only from report—I have endeavoured to trace him, but unsuccessfully—what I have heard of him would not be favourable.

CAROLINE BURGESS . I am a widow, of 39, St. Mark's Road, Camberwell—I let apartments—on 3rd January the prisoner took a bedroom there in the name of Sherwood, and said he came from New York—I went into the room from time to time—I saw one or two small bottles on the mantelshelf—he went out on the morning of 2nd March between 9 and 10 o'clock—he asked me for some silver; I had none, so gave him a half-sovereign—he was not visited by any one while with me—he only brought with him this bag and an overcoat—he was sometimes out; he was at home occasionally.

DR. WILLIAM SEDGWICK SAUNDERS . I am an M. D., and a licentiate of the College of Physicians of Edinburgh, Medical Officer of the City of London, and public analyst—these bottles marked A, B, C, D, and E were brought to me to examine—the stuff in D and E, if applied with a camel-hair brush to a cheque, would take out ink marks—A contains mainly distilled water; C contains sise—that would give a gloss to the paper after the ink marks were taken out—I have tried it on several cheques of the Central Bank of London, and with these materials I have taken out words and substituted others—I substituted "one hundred" for "one thousand," and vice versa—I wrote two lines, and then completely removed one line and transposed the upper with the lower line, with the liquids in D and E.

SIDNEY ROBERT SMITH . I am the Governor of Newgate—since the prisoner's apprehension, and during the examination before the Magistrate, and after his committal, he has been under my charge—I received this letter; he sent it to me—I read it, and saw him—I told him I had read his letter, that it was impossible I could assist him in a matter of that kind, that I had sent it to the authorities, and if I heard anything from them I would let him know—this other letter he also sent to me on 11th April—I put the date on it.

(These letters were read as follows:—"28th March, 1878.—Governor,—Pardon the liberty I am taking in addressing you, but really you seem to be the only man I have met since coming to this country who seems to have mind enough to grasp an idea of some magniture, which I am about to present to you as briefly as possible. Some years since I made the acquaintance of a noted forger, the one, in fact, who did the most of the work for those people McDonald, Bidwell, &c., who are called the great Bank of England forgers. Through him I became acquainted with others, who, knowing me as a sporting man who was ' all right, ' did not hesitate about talking in my presence. In fact, I admit that I assisted them in various ways, both as a chemist and as a man who thoroughly understood business matters of all kinds. About a year since my friend whom I have mentioned came to me and said that he was sick of the business, and wanted to leave it altogether. He therefore proposed that I should communicate with the banks and bankers of the city of New York and with the Treasury Department at Washington, offering for a certain yearly sum (about 10 per cent. of the average annual losses from such causes) to

utterly prevent all forging and counterficting. The parties with whom I communicated were very much taken with the idea, and it seemed at one time as if it was a certainty that it would be taken up, but unfortunately the Government detectives got wind of it (and they are all more or less in collusion with the counterfeiters), and they were able, through their backers in the Treasury and in Congress, to prevent an appropriation being made. In New York city we also were disappointed, for we could get no concerted action; each man we saw was pleased with the idea, but when it came to patting his hand in his pocket it was another thing; therefore it fell through—at least for the present. When I was sent for to come over here (which I will explain to you at some future time), I fully intended to try and make some arrangement with the authorities here of the same kind. I have had no opportunity of doing so until now, and let me make the offer to you. You make all the arrangements, and I will guarantee that for 5,000l. per annum we will prevent professional forgers from plying their vocation in London; for another 5,000l. we will prevent them from working in England, and for a third 5,000l. from swindling any bank or banking house in Great Britain. This may seem to you an impossibility, but let me assure you, upon my honour, it is not. You would be surprised were I to tell you how many professional forgers there are. Why, if you will believe me, all the forgers, counterfeiters, engravers, photographers, and chemists (who are connected with crooked business) in the world can be counted upon your fingers. Therefore, you see how easy it would be for me, for instance, with the assistance of say two men in London, three men in the States, and one in Paris, one in Berlin, and one in Rome, to have timely notice of whatever was coming off and prevent them from working on our territory. In fact, we would act as lightning conductors, so to speak. The men whom I would employ are all men who have been years in the business, and who in the folly of it, they are willing to do anything for a living, but still would not consent to give any one away and have them arrested; they would merely warn them not to work here. In fact, it would be something like the Preventive Service in which, I believe, it was not unusual to find old smugglers, and they made the most efficient officers. There are a thousand things I could say to you in favour of my plan, and should you see fit to question me about it, I will be happy to give you all needed information. In order to show you that I know whereof I speak, let me inform you that it was intended to flood the London and European market this summer, during the Exposition, with all kinds of forgeries. The French bank notes, for which some men were arrested last month, were a part of what were to be used, but the men who had them got hard up, I suppose, and had to let some of them go. For this market there has been manufactured more than one million of pounds of stuff, principally bonds. There were to be sold through certain brokers in the City, two of whom I know. About 75,000l. worth of bonds, all ready for use, except a few minutes' work on each, are now awaiting my order on the other side. If it is required, I will send for them as soon as I am liberated, and have them sent to one of the parties who has promised them. There are a lot ready, a large amount of drafts of a certain steamship company, a few samples are here, but the bulk is on the other side. These I can get also at any time. In fact, I could mention, were it necessary, a dozen different things now ready or nearly ready for this

market. Will the Treasury and the Banking Association allow them to come, and thousands of people to be robbed of their all, for the sake of sending me to prison for a few years? Now, Governor, you are the man to take this thing in hand. It would be worth a thousand a year to you, if not more, and all you would have to do would be to transmit my daily or weekly report to the proper persons. You would not be known to any one but me, nor would I be known to any one but you and the people under my control, who would not know each other. At least, they would not know that each was in my employ. Please think seriously over this matter, and let me know your opinion at your earliest convenience. By so doing, you will oblige, yours respectfully (signed), Chas. Cherwood." "Gaol of Newgate, April 11th, 1878. To Mr. Abrams or the solicitor for the Central Bank. Gentlemen,—I hear that the utterer of the forged check is now under arrest for some offense: so if you want him you can fetch him. Don't you think it was unwise on your part to refuse to take advantage of the liberal offers I made you more than two weeks since? Perhaps Mr. Chapman never showed you my ' written propositions' with a synopsis of what I was able and willing to do. Did he? Please answer at once, and oblige, yours, &c., Chas, Cherwood. It may not be too late yet."

Cross-examined. The prisoner's then solicitor, Mr. Chapman, was in communication with him prior to his writing that first letter—I am not sure as to his being in communication with him up to the writing of the second letter.


6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-469
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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469. CHARLES CHERWOOD (34) was again indicted for feloniously altering an authority for the payment of 10l.

FREDERICK YOUNG . I reside at 5, Queensbury Place, Commercial Road—on 13th August I got from my bankers, the London Joint Stock Bank, 10 circular notes of 10l. each, also a letter of indication—I kept that separate from the notes—I left London for Paris on 15th August—my pocket-book containing the notes was safe during the sea passage—I had occasion to look at it—as I was going ashore down the gangway I was pressed—there was a large crowd, 270 people were on board—when I got into the train I found that my circular notes had been stolen—at the time the pushing took place I particularly noticed a person near me—the prisoner resembles that person, but I should not like to swear to him—he was facing me, which drew my attention, as he ought to have had his back to me going off the boat—I telegraphed from Amiens, where the train stopped for a few minutes, and again from Paris—I kept the letter of indication in my possession, the number of it was 16391.

Cross-examined. There was a great crowd on landing—the vessel was actually made fast at the time.

PYTHAGORAS QUARREY . I am a clerk in the London Joint Stock Bank—in August last I prepared 10 circular notes of 10l. each for Mr. Young, dated 13th August, 1877—they contained the same number as the letter of indication 16391—eight of those notes are now produced; the payee's name has been altered from Frederick Young to Edward Austin, and the date from 13th August to 5th February, and the number from 16391 to 16615—there is some of my writing on them, which partly enables me to recognise them.

AUGUSTE NICOLAS SEYMOUR (Interpreted). I am cashier at the Grand

Hotel, Paris—the prisoner arrived there on the evening of 7th February between 8 and 9 o'clock, with a letter of credit and two circular notes for 10l. each—he showed me a letter of indication—he gave no name at first—after inspecting the letter of indication he signed the name of Edward Austin on the notes for the two notes—I gave him three 100-franc notes, and 10 20-franc pieces—about 10 o'clock the same evening he brought these six other circular notes, which I changed—I did not ask for the letter of indication as to those; he wrote on those notes, and I gave him two notes of 1800 francs, two of 500 francs each, three of 100 francs each, and 10 20-franc pieces—this registered packet had arrived from London that morning addressed to Edward Austin—no person of that name stopped at the hotel that night.

Cross-examined. The postman took back the packet to the post-office.

JOSHUA REYNOLDS . I am head cashier of the Southwark branch of the London Joint Stock Bank—we had a customer named John Watson, of 71, Clapham Road—he opened an account on 31st January last—on 5th February he brought this cheque for 100l. dated 4th February; he handed it to me, and in consequence of what he said, I applied to our head office for 10 circular notes for him; these are the notes and this is the letter of indication, and we posted them in a letter to Mr. Watson, 71, Clapham Road, and he acknowledged the receipt of them next morning—I have never seen him since—this 51l. cheque is in his writing, it was presented to us through the Clearing House on 25th February, with Mr. Kino's name stamped on it, and we declined to pay it, there not being sufficient funds by 4s. 2d. to meet it—we afterwards received from Watson about 30 unused cheques in an envelope, they were cheques that had been issued to him.

GEORGE ADAMS . I am a clerk in the department of the London Joint Stock Bank where they prepare circular notes—on 6th February I prepared 10 circular notes for John Watson for the Southwark branch of our bank for 10l. each, and a letter of indication, No. 16615—there would be reference in the notes to that number.

Cross-examined. Those notes were returned to us on 16th March, having been previously paid at Boulogne—they have on them the stamp of Adam and Co., of 7th February, which denotes that they were paid by Adam and Co. on that day—in the ordinary course the letter of indication would be presented at the time; but that rests with our foreign correspondent.

CAROLINE BURGESS repeated her former evidence.

NEIL NETCH PALMER . I am senior clerk in the manager's department of the South-Eastern Railway—the tidal train communicates with a steamer belonging to the South-Eastern Company—on 7th February it left Charing Cross at 10.45 and would arrive at Paris at 8.15.

WILLIAM STEPHENSON . I am assistant to Mr. Kino, a tailor, of Newington Causeway—on Saturday, 16th February, the prisoner came and bought an overcoat for three guineas and ordered a suit—he gave in payment a sovereign and some gold franc pieces—a few days after I saw him again, and he gave me this cheque for 51l.—he said he was going to Paris for a few days, and this cheque he had received from a party in the way of business; he would leave it with us and we had better send it through our bankers, and we could pay ourselves and give him the balance when he returned from France—the cheque was passed through

our bankers and returned marked "N. S."—I afterwards received a letter from the Charing Cross Hotel—I did not send the cheque back—it was then in the hands of Detective Sergeant Moss—on 2nd March the prisoner called about the alteration of a coat, and he said he wanted to know about the cheque—I said we had not got to know the particulars about it, as the governor was away from home; when he returned we would let him know—he said he had received the cheque from a party with whom he had business; he thought it would be right, but was not certain—he said he had received a 100l. cheque from the same party; that it was not met exactly at the time, but it was ultimately met.

Cross-examined. He told me in the first instance that the reason he wanted to pay it through our bankers was because he did not know whether it would be right or not—he gave his name and address.

HENRY TAYLOR and JOHN MOSS (Detective Officers) and SIDNEY ROBERT SMITH (the Governor of the Jail at Newgate) repeated their former evidence.

CHARLES CHABOT . I am an expert in handwriting of many years' experience—I have been shown two letters admitted to he the prisoner's writing—in my opinion the address on this packet produced is in the same writing as those two letters.

Cross-examined. I have differed from Mr. Nethercliff, another expert, as to handwriting, but very rarely—only three or four times in the course of my professional life—in those cases our opinions were not very strong on either side—they were founded on the best of our skill and understanding of the writing in question.

WILLIAM SEDGWICK SAUNDERS repeated his former evidence.

MR. C. MATHEWS submitted there was no evidence to show that the forgery was committed in England, and therefore there was no jurisdiction to try the prisoner at this Court, there being no evidence of tampering with any of the notes on this side of the Channel. The COURT held that it was a question for the Jury. GUILTY **—( Ten Years' Penal Servitude .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-470
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > hard labour

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470. WILLIAM PRICE (70) PLEADED GUILTY to stealing two pieces of linen, the property of Edward Francis Storr and others, his masters.— Four Months' Imprisonment with suitable hard labour .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-471
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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471. HENRY COOPER (21) , to burglary in the dwelling-house of John Henry Pape, at Hackney.— Four Months' Imprisonment . [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image.]

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-472
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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472. EDWIN LUSON (21) , to stealing six purses and a card case, the property of Thomas Leach, and to having been convicted of felony in November, 1876, at Worship Street.— Six Months' Imprisonment . [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image.] And

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-473
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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473. THOMAS ABBOTT** (30) , to burglary in the dwelling-house of John Scott, at Paddington, with intent to steal, and to having been convicted of felony in April, 1871, at Clerkenwell.— Ten Years' Penal Servitude .. [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image.]

NEW COURT.—Monday, May 6th, 1878.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-474
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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474. HENRY SHAW (41) PLEADED GUILTY to unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.— Nine Months' Imprisonment : and

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-474a
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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474A. GEORGE BEDFORD (23) to a like offence, after a previous conviction of felony.— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment . [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image.]

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-475
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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475. JAMES SMITH (39) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. CRAUFURD and LLOYD conducted the Prosecution.

EMILY JANE SMITH . I live at 23, Old Street, and help my father, a fruiterer—on 15th April, at 8.30 p.m., I served the prisoner with an ounce of cough drops, which came to 2d.—I gave them to him in a paper bag with my father's name and address printed on it—he gave me a five-shilling piece, and I gave him a half-crown, a florin, and four pence—I put it in a cash box where there was no other crown—a policeman came about 20 minutes after the prisoner left, and I found it was bad and gave it to him.

HENRY WILLIAM BLACKBOROUGH . I am in the service of Mr. Garnham, a draper, of 107, Oxford Street, which is about 250 yards from Mr. Smith's—on 15th April, about 9 p.m., I served the prisoner with a pair of men's socks, which came to 6 1/2d.—he gave me a crown; I saw it was bad before I took it up, and asked him how he got it; he said "For a hard day's work in the docks"—my employer's wife gave him in custody as he still persisted it was good, I took the coin from his hand and asked him where he lived—he said "At Wapping"—I said "It is a long way to come from Wapping to Hoxton for a pair of socks."

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I gave you the coin back, but I put in my mouth first and found it was bad—you did not go away—I said that I did not want to charge you, but my employer's wife gave you in charge—you stood at the door and said that it was not bad—you had plenty of opportunity of going away, but did not attempt to do so.

PHILIP PRICKETT (Policeman 359 N). The last witness called me and gave the prisoner into my charge—I took him to the station, searched him, and found a bag of sweets with Mr. Smith's name and address on it—I went there and received this bad crown—I got the other crown from Mr. Blackborough—the prisoner said that he took the crown for a day's labour in the Docks at Wapping, but going to the Court next morning he said that he and another man found the two crowns in a piece of rag—no money was found on him.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . I am in the employ of the Mint—these crowns are bad and from the same mould.

The prisoner in his defence stated that he found the two crowns pinned up in a rag, and did not know that they were bad, or he would not have stood arguing about them when he could easily have escaped. His statement before the Magistrate was to the same effect. NOT GUILTY .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-476
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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476. WILLIAM PERRY (21) was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. CRAUFURD and LLOYD conducted the Prosecution.

CLARA YOUNG . My brother is a tobacconist at 17, Howard Road—on 12th April I was staying with him and served the prisoner with a twopenny cigar—he gave me a half-crown—I put it in the till and do not know whether it was good or bad—on the 20th the prisoner came again for a twopenny cigar, and put down a florin—I told him it was bad and took it to my brother, who gave him in charge.

RICHARD CHARLES YOUNG . On 12th April I was at the parlour door wiping my hands, when my sister served the prisoner—shortly afterwards I went to the till—there was only a half-crown there, and it was bad—I took it upstairs and put it in a box till I gave it to a constable—on the 20th my sister handed me a florin in the parlour—I went into the shop, recognised the prisoner, and told him that it was bad—he said if it was

he did not know it—I said "You are the same man who came a week ago and gave me a bad half-crown"—he said that he was never in the shop before—I thought I had given him the change for the florin, and I said "If you give me 4s. 6d. you can go"—he had not got 4s. 6d. but he offered me a good half-crown—I did not take it, but gave him in charge with the florin and half-crown.

Prisoner. I offered you the half-crown for the florin—I know nothing about the other coin.

WILLIAM PETTINGALE (Policeman 479 M). I took the prisoner on 20th April and told him it was for passing a bad florin and half-crown—he said that if he had passed bad money he had not done so knowingly—I found on him a half-crown, two sixpences, and 2 1/2d.—I received these coins from Mr. Young.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These coins are both bad.

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Imprisonment .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-477
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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477. JOHN JONES (34) and JOHN CLARKE (64) were indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. CRAUFURD and LLOYD conducted the Prosecution; and MR. FRITH defended Jones.

EMILY LEVER . I am barmaid at Mr. Rogers's public-house, 49, Bryanston Square—on 5th April between 3 and 4 o'clock I served Jones with twopennyworth of gin—he tendered a bad florin—I bent it, and he asked for it back, but I refused—I gave it to Hutchings.

THOMAS CHARLES SAUNDERS . I am a grocer, of 49, Bryanston Street—on 5th April I was in Mr. Rogers's public-house when Jones came in—there was a partition between Hun and me—Lever brought a florin to me and said "Look at this"—I found it was bad, and in consequence of what she said I followed the prisoner; he went through Old Quebec Street and Oxford Street to the Gloucester public-house at the corner of Park Street—he went in at one door and out at the other into Park Street, where Clarke joined him—I did not see where Clarke came from—they walked down Park Street together—I followed them about 200 yards and met Watts, I then got into his van and followed them to the end of Park Street—they were about to stop at a public-house, but looked round and recognised me—they passed the Pitt's Head and stopped—Jones then came back and went in, and Clarke went on—Watts went in before me—I went in, saw Jones there, and spoke to the landlord in Jones's hearing, who then tried to get away—I stopped him and asked the landlord to test the florin he had taken, which he did—I asked Jones how many more he had got, as this was the second I had seen him utter—he resisted violently, but I detained him till a constable arrived—I afterwards found Clark in the Marquis of Granby, Brook Street, and gave him in custody—I told him I had followed him from the Coachmakers' Arms, and I had seen him tender a bad florin, and that Jones was in custody—he said that he knew nothing about it.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. I followed Jones from Mr. Rogers's public-house to the Gloucester, which is 150 or 200 yards—I do not think he saw me—I was perhaps 50 yards off—I stood down a mews, and he turned back and passed me within 20 yards, and I had a good view of his face-—in the Pitt's Head he wanted to know what business it was of mine.

WILLIAM PITWOOD . I keep the Pitt's Head, Little Stanhope Street—on 5th April about 4 p.m. I served Jones with a glass of ale, he put down a florin—Saunders came in and spoke to me—I kept the florin in my hand and gave Jones 1s. 10 1/2d. change—the florin was bad—Jones drank the ale, and Saunders took him by the collar, and asked him how many more of those two-shilling pieces he had—Jones asked what he meant and took the coin from my hand, and offered me back the change—Saunders and I took the coin from him again; he struggled violently and tried to get away from us—his coat was torn in the struggle—I sent for a policeman and gave him in charge with the florin—I received another bad florin from Wyatt wrapped in two pieces of paper; brown paper outside—I gave it to the constable with the paper.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. Jones may have said that he did not know that the coin was bad.

JAMES WATTS . I am a carman, of 2, Morton Terrace, Pimlico—on 5th April I was driving up Oxford Street and met Saunders—I gave him a cast in my van, and we followed the prisoners, who were about 30 yards from us, walking and talking—they looked round once or twice—I found them at Pitt's Head Mews—I went in there after Jones, and Clark went on—I left Saunders in the court—I saw a coin on the counter and went out and said something to Saunders, who came into the public-house, and I left the van and followed on foot—I caught sight of Clark by the Marquis of Granby—he stood at a corner 5 or 10 minutes, and then went on—Mr. Wyatt's public-house is about 120 yards from the Pitt's Head—Saunders was outside with a constable when he came out, and was given in custody—I went into the Marquis of Granby and sat on a seat, and saw Clark sitting down—I did not see him pass any money.

WILLIAM WARREN (Policeman C 315). On 5th April I was called to the Pitt's Head and took Jones—I found on him 2s. in silver and 4 1/2d.—Pitwood gave me a bad florin—I gave it to the inspector at the station.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. Every coin I found on Jones was good.

NUNN HUTCHINGS (Policeman C 250). I was called to the Marquis of Granby, and took Clark in custody as he came out—I found on him at the station 4s. 6d. in silver and 10d. good money, and these two pieces of paper—I received this florin from Lever, and this other wrapped in this paper, and this third florin from Pitwood.

WILLIAM EWINGS JACKSON . I live with my parents at No 3, Little Stanhope Street—on 5th April, about 6.15, I picked up a bad florin on the steps of the Marquis of Granby wrapped up in these white and brown papers—I gave it to Mr. Wyatt.

DAVID WYATT . I keep the Marquis of Granby at the comer of Brook Street—I do not remember seeing Clark, but at about 6 o'clock Jackson gave me a florin and these two pieces of paper—I handed them to Pitwood the same evening.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These florins are all bad, and from the same mould—it is very likely that the paper found on Clark and the paper in which the coin was wrapped have been parts of the same newspaper, judging by the type, and the paper is the same substance.

Clark's Defence. I met this man; we got into conversation, and, as we were both going to Piccadilly, we walked together, and he left me. I waited some time, and he did not come. I went and had some beer and the policeman took me.

GUILTY . They were each charged with previous convictions at this Court; Jones of feloniously uttering, and Clark of unlawfully having in his possession counterfeit coin, to which they PLEADED GUILTY.— Seven Years' each in Penal Servitude .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-478
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment > penal servitude

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478. THOMAS STONE (18), STEPHEN KING (36), and ELIZABETH READ (19) , Feloniously having in their possession a mould for coining.

MESSRS. CRAUFURD and LLOYD conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM MUSGROVE (Detective H). On 5th April I went with Thick to 9, Henry Street, Stepney, about 9.30, and found the street door open—I knocked, Read opened it; I asked her if she lived there, she said "Yes"—I asked her if any one else lived there, she said "Yes, two others lives here"—I said "What have you got in the room?"—she said "I don't know, you had better look"—I did look, and in a small cupboard, unlocked, I found this ladle with white metal in it, two files with metal on them, a spoon, a small portion of a mould, which afterwards broke away in my hand, and some plaster-of-paris and sand—all those things are used in making counterfeit coin—I waited till 3 o'clock next morning—Stone came home about 1 o'clock; I knew him by the name of Morris—I was watching outside and followed him in—I asked him if he lived in that room, he said "Yes"—I showed him the things I found in the cupboard, and asked him who they belonged to—he said they did not belong to him—I asked what he had about him—he said "I suppose this is what you want", put his hand in his pocket, and took out seven shillings separately folded in thin paper—I asked him if he had any more about him—he said "No"—I put my hand into his trousers pocket, and among other money found this bad shilling—I said that I believed the shillings were made of the same metal that was in the ladle—I think he said mat he did not know—Read was in the room all the time—I took Stone to the station, leaving Thick in charge of the room and of Read—I afterwards went back to the house, and about 2.30 King knocked at the outside shutters and came in—I said "Good morning, King"—he said "Good morning"—I said "You know me?"—he said "Yes"—I said "Who rents this room?"—he said "I do, I pay the rent," and that he had been there since November—I asked him who those things in the cupboard belonged to—he said "They belong to me"—I said "I have just taken Stone to the station, I found eight bad shillings on him, I believe you have been making them here"—he said "Yes, it is no use telling you, for you know all about it"—I searched him, but found nothing—Read was there all the time, but I don't think she took any part in the conversation—when I knocked at the door I asked her if Mr. Hartley was there, alluding to the prisoner King—I said, "He is a one-armed man;" she said, "Yes"—I asked her if anybody else lived there; she said, "Yes, my husband"—I asked her what her husband's name was; she said, "Morris;" and when Stone came home she said, "That is my husband," and that they had lived there a week—I took King and Read to the station—I locked up the room, and gave the landlady the key, taking the counterfeit coin with me—I went back on Sunday evening about 8.30, got the key from the landlady, and searched the room—we found a crack in the boards six or eight inches wide; I took up some more boards, and found some plaster-of-

paris, and then the landlady put her hand under the flooring and found this double mould to make two shillings at once—the flooring had been broken previously, but it did not appear recent—there was a piece of cloth over the opening in the floor—I have seen King and Stone together once—Read told me that she was not married to Morris, but only lived with him.

Cross-examined by Stone. You said, "I am a fool for going in. I saw you in the public-house, but I intended to come here and give King the tip"—you may have said, "If I had known those things were here I would not have come in."

Cross-examined by King. You said to me, "Whatever I get I must put up with."

WILLIAM THICK (Detective H). I went with Musgrove to the house—I have heard the evidence; it is correct—I took Read, and told her she would be charged with the others with having these implements in her possession—she said that she had nothing to do with it—nothing was found on her—I afterwards saw the landlady take the mould from under the boards.

REBECCA WILLIS . I live at 9, Henry Street, Stepney—I let my ground-floor front room to Mr. Hartley, the prisoner King—he came in on 7th November—he said that he was a ticket-writer—I did not see Stone till a month or six weeks after that, and I did not see Read till a week before her arrest—I have seen them all three coming backwards and forwards; they had a street-door key and a room-door key, and let themselves in and out—I was not aware of what they were doing, or they should not have stayed there—they always paid me with good money—when they left, the detective locked the door and gave me the key—I gave it to him again on Sunday, and he opened the door—nobody had been in the room in the mean time—I had kept the key in my pocket, and I had bolted the shutters inside while the detectives were in the room—I went into the room with them on Sunday when they found the mould under the floor—there was a small hole in the floor when the room was taken, and I nailed a piece of cloth over it—in the evening I found that the nails had been taken out and the cloth shoved on one side—Hartley sometimes paid the rent, and sometimes Stone—Read never paid me—there was a blind to the window, which was generally down even in the day-time—when the street door was shut they used to knock at the shutter if one of them was inside.

Cross-examined by MR. MEAD. I did not know Read by any name—some of the prisoners were always there.

Cross-examined by Stone. You paid me the rent three or four times when King was away—the first time was only about a week or a fortnight before this—I never opened the door for you—when King was away Read said that he was in a little trouble, but she did not say why—I gave her sixpence because she said that she was dreadfully short.

Re-examined. I do not know how long King was away—I do not know whether Read slept there—there was a bed in the room—they used it as bedroom and sitting-room too.

WILLIAM MUSGROVE (Re-examined). When I went in, the floorcloth had been removed and the floor was broken.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This is a double mould for two shillings of 1868 and 1869—here are eight bad shillings—three are out of the mould of

1868 and five from that of 1869—this ladle has metal in it—this file has metal in it as if it had been used for filing the gets off—this is plaster-of-Paris for making the moulds and this metal is very likely the same kind as the coins are made of—this black is used to put over the coins after they are made—it is then rubbed off.

Stone's Defence. When I lived at No. 9 I knew nothing about what was in the place. King gave me the shillings to take home in case he should spend them, and I took them believing them to be good money.

READ received a good character NOT GUILTY .

STONE— GUILTY .*— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment .

KING— GUILTY . *— Ten Years' Penal Servitude .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-479
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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479. ELIZABETH READ was again indicted for having in her possession eight counterfeit shillings, upon which MR. CRAUFURD offered no evidence. NOT GUILTY .

OLD COURT.—Tuesday, May 7th, 1878.

Before Mr. Recorder.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-480
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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480. WILLIAM MURRAY (31) , Stealing 42 1/2 yards of cloth of Alfred Hyman.

MR. CUNNINGHAM conducted the Prosecution.

SAMUEL STIMPSON (City Policeman 471). I live at 2, Temple Lane, about a quarter of a mile from the prosceutor's shop—on 5th April, about 6.30 p.m., I was in my room on the ground floor—I saw the prisoner come in front of my window and tear this ticket off a roll of cloth and throw it into the road—I came out of my house, picked up the ticket, and pursued the prisoner—he was walking as fast as he could—I came up with him at the bottom of New Wharf, Whitefriars—I stopped him and asked where he got the roll of cloth from—he said he had had it given to him by a man in the street—I took him to the station—he gave no address.

ALFRED HYMAN . I am a tailor, of 68, Fleet Street—this roll of cloth is mine and the ticket also—I did not miss it till the constable came—it had not been sold—it was standing just inside the doorway.

GUILTY . He also PLEADED GUILTY to a previous conviction on let February, 1877.— Twelve Months* Imprisonment .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-481
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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481. DENNIS NEAL (32) , Robbery with violence on James Callahan and stealing 1l.

MR. A. B. KELLY Conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES CALLAHAN . I am a French polisher, and live in Marchmont Place—on Easter Tuesday I received 1l. 5s. 6d. for my wages, and in the evening I went to a beershop in Hunter Street—the prisoner was there with two others—I left that beershop and went to another—the prisoner and another accompanied me—I had never seen either of them before—I remained there till the house closed, about 12, about an hour—I had scarcely left the house, which is in North Crescent Mews, when the prisoner struck me—he was still in company with the other, but he was about a pace ahead of me—the prisoner struck me on the head and I fell—I halloed out and the people in the house came to my assistance—I gave the prisoner a beating and held him—when I left the beershop I bad five two-shilling pieces, four half-crowns, one shilling, sixpence, and

three-halfpence—the silver was loose in my trousers pocket—the copper was in my waistcoat pocket—I had been drinking fourpenny ale—I would have had more, but the landlord said, from the company that was there, he would not serve me—an inspector was immediately on the spot—when I came to my senses I found myself at the Hunter Street station, where the doctor attended me—my trousers were torn down to the knee and the pocket cut out—I saw the prisoner next morning at the police-court—I was placed by the side of him, and he said "Don't say anything against me; I have not got your money, but I know who has, and if you will not say anything against me I will get you your money"—but I would not take his word for that, and told the inspector what he had said.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not ask you to have a drop of beer—you sang a song—I was not knocked down by two or three people, nor did you say "Don't rob the man"—they did not give you a black eye and run away with your hat—I admit I had been drinking; the inspector detained me more for safety than anything—I did not see you with any weapon, but I felt a severe blow—it was a blow with some instrument, I could not say what.

JOHN CLIFFORD (Police Inspector E). About twenty-five minutes past 12 on the night in question I arrived at Crescent Mews and found the prosecutor on the ground bleeding from the head—I saw the prisoner there and took him into custody—I told him he would be charged with stealing 17s. from the prosecutor and assaulting him—he said he had not done it—the prosecutor had told me the amount that was taken—he was not insensible, he was drunk; he was assisted to the station by a constable and some of his friends—he identified the prisoner at the station.

GUILTY .— Twelve Months; Imprisonment .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-482
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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482. THOMAS DAVIS (59) , Unlawfully obtaining 15l. and other sums of Thomas Okey by false pretences.

MR. BESLEY conducted the Prosecution; and MR. GILL the Defence.

THOMAS OKEY . I am a money lender, of 59, Bassett Street, Haverstock Bill—just previous to the 14th August a woman came to me—I afterwards went to 47, Carlton Street, Kentish Town, and there saw some furniture and rent receipts—I saw the same woman there—the furniture corresponded with the inventory which I afterwards saw—at 6 o'clock that evening the woman came to my place with the prisoner—she said "I have brought my husband, Mr. Okey"—I said "Are you Mr. Henry Lewis?"—he said "I am; I have just left my workshop at Hampstead"—I said "How much money do you require?"—he said "15l."—Mrs. Lewis said "I should like 20l.; I want to go to Meeting's to procure silk with, in my husband's business as an upholsterer and French polisher"—she gave me this inventory, saying, "I have made out a correct inventory as far as lay in my power"—I asked the prisoner if it was so—he said "Yes"—I asked him to sign it and he did so—this is his signature—he also signed this bill of sale and this declaration, stating that he had full power to assign the property at 47, Carlton Street, and that his liabilities did not exceed 7l.—I gave him 15l. in full—I believed him to be the owner of the property, or I should not have parted with the money—I gave him the money, and he handed it to the woman—on 20th November the prisoner came to me again with Henry Horne—Horne said "I have brought Mr. Lewis to be surety for

me"—the prisoner again said that he was Henry Lewis, and he signed that name, of 47, Carlton Street, to this promissory note for 8l. 5s.—on 7th December I saw him again with Mrs. Lewis—she said "I want some more money, as my husband has on his books 300l. and upwards, which he cannot get in, and I must have more money to buy silk with "—the application was for a loan of 21l., 15l. cash and 6l. for expenses—he then signed this declaration to the same effect as the other—Mrs. Lewis said "The same inventory will do; strike out the date, as I want to go to Meeting's before the shop shuts"—I required that the prisoner himself should strike it out, and he erased "August 14th" and put in "7th December"—he also signed on the back of the bill of sale "Received, 7th December, 15l., making, with 6l. for interest and expenses, 21l. "—when I parted with that money I believed that he was Henry Lewis, of 47, Carlton Street—on 21st January, 1878, he came again with Mrs. Slous and signed this promissory note. (This was a joint and several promisory note by Mary Ann Sloue and Henry Lewis for 13l. 10s., dated 21st January, 1878, to be repaid by weekly instalments of 12s.) I believed when he signed that that he was Henry Lewis, of 47, Carlton Street—I would not have parted with any of my moneys upon that or any of these occasions had I known his proper name was Davis, and that he was not the occupier of 47, Carlton Street.

Cross-examined. I carry on business as Thomas Okey, trading as the National Reliance Advance Co.—there is a plate on the door with "The National Reliance Advance Co. "on it—that Co. is personified in myself—there is no sham in it, I am the Co. legitimately—the first money I lent was 15l. in cash—I gave that to the man, who handed it to the woman—I charged 6l. for interest and expenses—I asked her if she could pay 6l. for the advance, and she said "Yes, payable at 15s. a week in 21 weeks"—I charged 5s. 3d. inquiry fee and 3d. for the application form—I did that in each case—I went to Carlton Street and made inquiries as to who Mr. Lewis was—I found him to be a respectable man—I did not call at his shop in Hampstead—I have been paid 15l. or 16l. out of the 21l., not more—there was a renewal of that loan—on both the transactions I have been paid something like 25l.—there is a balance of 5l. on that—I have been paid more than the principal without interest, in both cases—the weekly payments were continued up to the time Mrs. Lewis left her home; that would be about five months—Mr. Kisch the solicitor represented me before the Magistrate—I told him as much as I knew—I did not bring any proceeding to try and get my 5l.—I did that on principle—I did not say anything about Home or Mrs. Slous before the Magistrate—I also charged money for inquiry fees in those cases—they were paid by the female prisoner—I saw the prisoner on four occasions—he is an illiterate man; he writes very badly—it was Mrs. Lewis who came and spoke about borrowing the money—it was she who I saw at her house—it was not till the papers were to be signed that he was brought there.

Re-examined. I did not take these proceedings for the purpose of recovering my money, it was on principle, as I have got between 500 and 600 customers, and it was done to deter others—I did not seek out Mrs. Lewis or the prisoner.

HENRY LEWIS . (Upon this witness being called MR. GILL objected to his being examined; he was the husband of Mrs. Lewis, who, although not now on her trial, the evidence he was about to give would bear directly on

the charge against her hereafter to be tried. See Reg. v. Gleed, 1 Russell on Crimes, p. 623. MR. BESLEY contended that as the wife of the witness was not now upon her trial she was in no peril, and that, therefore, the evidence was admissible. It was necessary to negative authority to the prisoner to use the name of Henry Lewis, as in a case of forgery. The RECORDER was of opinion that as the wife was not now in peril the evidence of the witness was not incompetent.) On 14th August, 1877, I was living at 47, Carlton Street, Kentish Town—I have lived there many years and am living there now—my wife, Sarah Lewis, was living there—she has been my wife about 20 years—I am a cabinet-maker—I have a workshop at Hampstead and one at the bottom of my street—I did not give the prisoner any authority to sign my name to a bill of sale, or the promissory notes, or to become surety for any person—I did not know of his coming to my house at all—I knew him years ago, it might be ten years, through a friend—he was no acquaintance of mine whatever—I knew him as a sponging sort of man—he has come to my house but it has been on some begging sort of affair, to sell some trifling thing that he had turned in his trade—that is all I have known of him—I never saw him at work—I understood he was an ivory turner—I knew nothing of any moneys being obtained from Mr. Okey—the whole of the furniture in the house was mine except some belonging to a lodger, Mrs. Jones—I did not know that the furniture had had an inventory made of it and signed by the prisoner, or of its being put into a bill of sale—I gave no authority for it and had no money from it.

Cross-examined. I am a jobbing cabinet-maker—I sometimes go into the country to execute jobs—about three years ago I was in Lancashire for three weeks—since then I have not been away from my home two days at a time—I was not away in August last year.

MARY ANN SLOUS . I live at 31, Dickenson Street, Kentish Town, and am a dress and mantle maker—previous to borrowing money from Mr. Okey I never saw him—Mrs. Lewis came to me and told me that she would fetch Mr. Lewis from Tottenham Court Road—she brought the prisoner and said in his hearing "That is my husband"—he said nothing—it was in that way he became surety for my loan—I believed he was really Mr. Lewis, of 47, Carlton Street—I had never seen the real Mr. Lewis.

Cross-examined. The loan was 10l.—I was charged 3l. 10s. for interest—I repaid it weekly with Mrs. Lewis—she was to pay 9s. 6d. a week and I half-a-crown—we went on paying until there was 4l. 4s. paid off the money, when Mrs. Lewis absconded—it has all been paid, for the whole of my home was taken.

Re-examined. The loan was partly for the benefit of Mrs. Lewis—she had 6l. and I had 4l.

HENRY HORNE . I lodge at 47, Carlton Street, Kentish Town—I went to Mr. Okey to borrow money about 20th November—this is my signature—I only knew the prisoner by seeing him once or twice at 47, Carlton Street—I heard that his name was Davis—I spoke to him in that name—I knew he was not Lewis—I did not know that he was going to sign the name of Lewis till it was done—I did not know what he was going; to sign—I had the money from Mr. Okey—I had 6l. in the first place—I am repaying it still—I have no complaint to make against Mr. Okey.

DAVID WEST (Policeman D 160). On 13th March, I took the prisoner into custody on a warrant—he said "There are others in it, and I should

not have done it if it had not been for the woman"—I asked him if he knew where she was—he said "No"—I did not find her till 25th March, when I apprehended her.

GUILTY. Recommended to mercy, considering that he had been led into it by the woman.—Judgment Respited.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-483
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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483. GEORGE WOOD (29) , Unlawfully attempting to obtain money by false pretences.

MR. STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution.

ROBERT EVANS . I live at 169, West Street, Sheffield—on 3rd April I received this letter—(This was dated 2nd April, 1878, contained a printed heading of "Crown Hotel, George Wood, Proprietor, 37, Middlesex Street, London," and stated that a gentleman had died suddenly at the hotel, and if the witness would forward 1l. 16s. 8 1/2d., the amount of his bill, within a week, the gentleman's two boxes left unclaimed would be sent to him)—in consequence of receiving that I went to London and made inquiries, and communicated with the police the same evening—on 4th and 5th of April I went with an officer to 37, Middlesex Street—on the 5th I saw the landlady and asked for Mr. George Wood—on seeing Wood I told him I was Mr. Evans, of Sheffield, and wished to speak to him about some boxes he had written to me about—he led the way upstairs to a bedroom, and I followed—I showed him his writing, and said I was prepared to pay him a sovereign then, and the remainder on the receipt of the boxes—I offered him the sovereign—I had arranged with the police to do so—he said he would take the whole amount if I would meet him at the Horse Shoe public-house at 2 o'clock—I asked him to come and have some drink—a detective was waiting for him, who took him into custody—we afterwards searched the room—I charged the prisoner with attempting to obtain 1l. 16s. 8 1/2d. from me by false pretences.

SARAH BARDEN . I live at Thurlston in Yorkshire—I received this letter, dated 2nd April—(This was similar to the other letter, the amount asked for being 1l. 14s. 6 1/2d.)—I sent a Post-office order for 1l, 14s. 6 1/2d., and my son wrote a letter—I never received the chests.

THOMAS BAILEY . I am a farmer at Gildersham, near Leeds—I received this letter—(This was similar letter to the others, asking for 1l. 16s. 8 1/2d.)—I wrote for particulars to 37, Middlesex Street, and received this reply—(This stated: "We can give no more particulars, perhaps you may find them in the other chest")

THOMAS HENRY BURGOYNE . I am a grocer at Burden Moor, near Skipton, in Yorkshire—on 19th March last I saw an advertisement in the Leeds Mercury of a book of free and assisted passages to Australia, A. Gray, agent—I wrote to a Mr. Gray, of 59, Stanhope Street, London, for the book, and enclosed 13 stamps, the amount stated in the advertisement, believing that I should get the book for the stamps.

GEORGE SWAIN . I live at Richmond, in Yorkshire—in March last I saw an advertisement in the Leeds Mercury, in consequence of which I wrote this letter (produced) and sent it to J. G. Wood, 59, Stanhope Street, London, and enclosed thirteen stamps. expecting to get a book as advertised, giving me every information about New South Wales.

SARAH ANN WOOLRIDGE . I live at 59, Stanhope Street, Euston Road—the prisoner took a room in my house in March last, paying 4s. a week—he remained four weeks and left on 2nd April—letters came for the prisoner in the name of Gray, sometimes three in a day—he said he was

an engineer out of employment—I saw no business carried on—there were several papers there relating to emigration.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. The detective took away the books and papers that you left.

ELIZA FULLER . I live at 37, Middlesex Street, Somers Town—the prisoner took a first-floor back room in my house on Monday, 1st April, and came on the 2nd—the rent was 4s. a week—he remained till 5th April, when he was taken into custody—my house has only four rooms—no light porter is kept—I know nothing of any person having died and left two boxes—the prisoner received about twelve letters—I called his attention to the words "Crown Hotel" on the letters, when I asked him if he was comfortable on the Thursday—he said it was a mistake, which occurred through his having advertised for a situation.

CHARLES TAYLOR (Detective Y). I apprehended the prisoner on the 5th April—I was with Mr. Evans—I said "You are Mr. Wood," he said "Yes"—I said to Mr. Evans "Did you pay him any money?"—Mr. Evans said "No; he said he would meet me at the Horse-Shoe at 2 o'clock to-day to receive it"—I then told the prisoner I was a detective officer and wished to speak to him in his rooms—I then went with him to an upstairs back bedroom and charged him with attempting to obtain 1l. 16s. 8 1/2d. from Mr. Evans—I showed him the letter to Mr. Evans—he handed me three other letters written under the same form of heading—I asked him if he had any more; he said "I had fifty printed and sent out about thirty; I only stay till the end of the week, when I expect the answers, and I shall be gone"—I said "These are answers to the letters you sent out?"—he said "Yes"—I said "Where are the other forms?" he said "I have destroyed them; I threw them over the Embankment"—I searched him and found on him some emigration papers—I asked him to what they related—he said "Oh, that is an old affair of mine," and that he was hard up at the time or he would not have done it—I also found on him 1l. and odd—a Post-office order was afterwards brought to the police-court—fourteen or fifteen other letters were afterwards received from various parts of Yorkshire.

Prisoner's Defence. I was at an hotel, but I was out of business and had to take lodgings. I was arrested two weeks after I advertised—how could I have had the letters?

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Imprisonment .

NEW COURT.—Tuesday May 7th, 1878.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-484
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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484. ALICE BARTLETT (22) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. CRAUFURD and LLOYD conducted the Prosecution.

EMMA CLARK . I assist my brother-in-law at the Bricklayers' Arms, Hannibal Road—on 10th April, shortly after 10 o'clock, I served the prisoner with a glass of ale—she tendered a half-crown—I asked her if she was aware that it was bad—she said "No." and dropped it on the counter—she said that she took it at a shop in Whitechapel Road, where she worked—she afterwards said that she was an unfortunate woman, and a gentleman gave it to her in Mile End Road—I gave her in custody with the coin.

WILLIAM HUMPHREYS . I am a purveyor of cat's and dog's meat at 10, Diamond Street, Stepney Green—on 10th April, about 9.50, the

prisoner came to my window and asked me for a pennyworth of cat's meat—she gave me a half-crown; I gave her 1s. 6d. and 11d. in coppers, and she left—I gave the half-crown to my wife, who said that it was bad—I communicated with the police, and saw the prisoner next morning at the station with four or five others, and picked her out—I gave the half-crown to the constable—I did not see any one with the prisoner; it was raising very hard.

HUGH FEELING (Policeman K 185). I was called to the Bricklayers' Arms, and the prisoner was given into my custody—she said that she did not know that the half-crown was bad; she received it where she worked in Whitechapel Road—afterwards she said that she was unfortunate, and a young man gave it to her in Mile End Road—I had said nothing to her in the meantime—the female searcher found 1 1/2d. on her—I received a bad half-crown from Emma Clark and another from Humphreys.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These coins are both bad, and from the same mould.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate was that a young man gave her the coin to get the cat's meat, and she gave him the change, and then he sent her into the public-house, where she was given in custody, but was not aware that the coins were bad. GUILTY .— Six Months' Imprisonment .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-485
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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485. GEORGE LOONEY (20) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. CRAUFURD and LLOYD conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS WILLLAM HARLE . I am a surgeon, of 23, Essex Street, Islington—on 3rd April, about 10 o'clock, I served the prisoner with a pennyworth of antibilious pills; he offered me a shilling—I saw at once that it was bad, and told him so; he said that he was not aware of it—I cautioned him that it might be worse for him if he did not give his right name and address—he gave his name George Smith, Norfolk Place, New North Road, and said that he assisted his brother in selling costermongers' goods—a constable then arrived, and the prisoner gave him another name, but it was not George Looney—I gave the shilling to the constable.

PATRICK WELDON (Policeman N 596). The prisoner was given into my custody on 3rd April with this coin—he said that he did not know it was bad; he got it at the Angel for carrying a portmanteau—the shop is about a quarter of a mile from the Angel—he gave his name George Looney; he gave no other name in my hearing—he had no money on him.

GEORGE COOK (Policeman 109 N). I was called and took the prisoner on 27th February, between 3 and 4 p.m., at the Bird Cage, in Columbia Road—the barman Timms said that he did not want him there passing any more bad money, as he tendered a bad shilling last week—I have tried to find Timms but am unable—the prisoner denied having been in the house before—Timms handed me a shilling—the prisoner said "I did not know it was bad, I got it from a man at Billingsgate; you had better take my name and address, policeman, and let me go"—he gave his name John Looney, 3, Devonshire Buildings, Worship Street, Finsbury—he was taken to Worship Street Police Court, remanded till 5th March, and discharged—Mrs. Howard had identified him, but she was not examined before the Magistrate—I don't know why—I received this bad florin from Mr. Howard.

ELIZABETH HOWARD . My husband keeps a provision shop at Thrawl

Street, Spitalfields—at the end of January or the beginning of February the prisoner came and asked for a pennyworth of cheese and a halfpennyworth of bread—I served him—he tendered a florin—I gave him 1s. 6d. in silver and 4 1/2d. in copper—he did not stop to eat the bread and cheese, and as soon as he got to the door I saw him run, which aroused my suspicion—I had tried the coin before he went out, and he said "Don't you like the look of it? I wish I had a sackful of them"—I afterwards found it was bad—I put it in my pocket and gave it to my husband, who put it away directly—I saw it given to the constable—this (produced) is it—on 5th March a constable came for me and took me to Worship Street Police Court, where I recognised the prisoner.

ROBERT HOWARD . I am the husband of the last witness—at the latter end of January or the beginning of February she gave me a bad florin—I kept it till last week—I locked it in my desk and then gave it to the constable.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This florin and these two shillings are bad.

Prisoner's Defence. I received the florin where I was working carrying fish, and the shilling for carrying a gentleman's portmanteau. If I was guilty I could have run away.

GUILTY of uttering the shilling to T. W. Harle. Nine Months' Imprisonment .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-486
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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486. HENRY CLARK (16) , Feloniously assaulting Frederick Allen with intent to rob him.

MR. TAMPLIN conducted the Prosecution; and MR. C. MATHEWS the Defence.

FREDERICK ALLEN . I am a hairdresser, of 4, Cow Cross Street—on 16th April, about 12.45 a.m., I was in the Strand going home and a drunken woman asked me to give her some soda-water, which I refused, and walked on—I saw the prisoner standing at the corner of Surrey Street—he asked me why I did not do so—I said that the woman had nothing to do with me—he called out to two others and then threw me down, made a pluck at my chain, and kicked me on my head and eye—my watch was pinned to my waistcoat.

Cross-examined. The woman fell up against me and I pushed her off—I was quite sober—I was not excited till I was kicked on the head.

HENRY THOMAS RUSSELL . I am a Hansom cab driver, No. 9918—on 16th April, about 12.45 a.m., I was with my cab in the Strand and saw Allen on the pavement—a woman was there, who looked as if she had had a little drop too much drink—the first words I heard were "I cannot get a bottle of soda-water"—the prisoner came across the road and said "You are trying to take liberties with the lady because she has had a glass to drink," and tripped him up from behind by kicking his feet, and he kicked him as he fell—I saw nothing improper—she was dressed respectably—I saw a scuffle going on, and he got up and the prisoner tripped him up in the same way a second time.

Cross-examined. I did not see the woman fall against the prosecutor, or see him push her off, nor did I see the prisoner lay hold of the watch as I was on my Hansom.

THOMAS DONELLY (Policeman E 47). I was on duty and Allen complained to me that the prisoner had assaulted him, knocked him down, and kicked him on his eye—he had a very severe bruise—I took the prisoner for the assault, but at the station he was charged with assault with intent to rob—Allen was perfectly sober but very much excited.

Cross-examined. While Allen was telling me the charge the prisoner stood on the opposite side of the street and remained there till I took him.

The Prisoner received a good character. NOT GUILTY .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-487
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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487. JEREMIAH HARRINGTON (19) , Feloniously, with other persons, assaulting Thomas High, with intent to rob him.

MR. TAMPLIN conducted the Prosecution; and MR. W. SLEIGH the Defence.

THOMAS HIGH . I am an auxiliary letter-carrier—on Sunday, 11th April, about 11.30 p.m., I was in York Street, Westminster—I was not quite sober, but I perfectly knew what I was doing—the prisoner knocked me down; two more men were with him—I swear to the prisoner, I saw him when he was on top of me, and if it had not been for the policeman I should have been killed.

Cross-examined. I am sure the prisoner is the man—I had been with some friends at the West End—I had had some whisky and some ale, but not more than I could do with—I was not quite sober—I told the Magistrate that the prisoner and another man got me into a court and began striking me—I was knocked down before I got into the court—I have not been having ale to-day—I do not remember saying "They got me into the court"—I did not feel the prisoner put his hand into my pocket, but I heard the policeman say at the police-court that he saw him do so—it was lamp-light—I cannot remember whether I said at the police-court that it was the prisoner and another man or two other men—the policeman and I have been together ever since I have been here, and I have been talking to him about the case, but he did not say anything about there being two men instead of three.

Re-examined. I am not very much acquainted with Courts of Justice—I felt great pain in my side.

WILLIAM BROCSKING (Policeman B 264). On Sunday night, 7th April, I was on duty at Smith's Rents, York Street, Westminster, and saw High at 11.45—the prisoner and two other men were there, and the prisoner got hold of High, dragged him down the Rents, and threw him down—I saw the prisoner put his hand into High's pocket—the shortest of the three men sang out "Cheese it"—that is a slang term, meaning that some one is coming and to stop what they are doing and run away—the prisoner ran, trying to get into the dark, and met me; I jumped out of the dark and took him back to High—I held him with one hand and helped High up with the other; his hand was cut very much—the prisoner threw something away—I asked him what it was—he said "A penny"—I said "All right, I shall find it directly"—I afterwards found this knife (produced) on the lower walk, where there are some little railings—High said that it was not his knife—I have not seen the other men since—High was under the influence of drink, but was not drunk—he walked to the station after me.

Cross-examined. At the police-court High said that it was the prisoner and two other men—I swear that—the two men in the court got away—the prisoner could see me if he looked that way when he ran against me, as there was a lamp—I could see very well, and saw the prisoner put his hand in the prosecutor's outside coat pocket—High said at the police-court that he could not tell whether the prisoner put his hand in his pocket or not

Re-examined. If the words "and another man" appear in the depositions it is a mistake for "two other men."

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Imprisonment .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-488
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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488. WILLIAM HARON (20) , Unlawfully attempting to steal a watch from Heinrich Steitz.

MR. DOUGLAS METCALFE conducted the Prosecution.

HEINRICH STEITZ . I am the beadle of the German Church, and live at 1, Hooper Square—on 5th April, about 5.30 p.m., I was outside Christ's Hospital, looking through the railings, felt a hand in my pocket, and looked round and my watch was not there—I found it hanging down and saw the prisoner close to me; he ran away—I afterwards met a constable with the prisoner and charged him.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I swear that you are the man.

DANIEL DIXON (City Policeman 278). I was on duty, received a communication, and saw the prisoner running down Rose Street, just by Newgate Street—I stopped him in Christ's Church Passage, close to Christ's Hospital, took him back to Rose Street and met Steitz, who at once said "That is the man who attempted to steal my watch," and gave him in charge—he gave his correct address.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I own I did it."

Prisoner's Defence. The prosecutor could not identify me when I was given in charge, but he has been put up to say so.

GUILTY .*— Twelve Months' Imprisonment .

THIRD COURT—Tuesday, May 7th, 1878.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-489
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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489. JANE LAWRY (22) PLEADED GUILTY to unlawfully assaulting and abandoning her child.— Judgment Respited . (See Half-yearly Index.)

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-490
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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490. GEORGE MARTIN (57) was indicted for wilful and corrupt perjury at Bow Street Police Court.

MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS conducted the Prosecution; and MR. SERJEANT

BALLANTYNE the Defence.

CHARLES ABRAHAM PARKER . I live in Bartholomew Road, Kentish Town—I have no business—my wife has private property—I have known the prisoner seven or eight years—he is a money lender—I have had many money transactions with him—on 20th August, 1875, I was given into custody by a lawyer's clerk—the charge came before Mr. Vaughan—a remand was granted for a week, and the case proceeded on the 27th, and was withdrawn—I attended and was represented by Mr. George Lewis, jun., and a Mr. Allingham prosecuted—I met the prisoner on 18th March, at Messrs. Digby's, 35, Lincoln's Inn Fields, the solicitors acting generally for my wife and me—we talked about the Grand National race—Mr. Carr, the managing clerk, had to pay the prisoner some money—the prisoner said he could not take interest, but would further advance 500l.—Carr said the prisoner had better back "Jackal" sfor 15l.—the prisoner said "I have left off" backing horses, I am not going west, I am going into the City; if you like to risk a telegram I will send one to Atkins "—I did not then know who Atkins was—I know now that I had seen Atkins once before that—he is the manager to the Mischief Tavern

—I said I would put the matter beyond a doubt, and would ask Messrs. Digby's permission to allow the answer to the telegram to be sent there—I did so, and then left the office, leaving the prisoner and Carr there—I afterwards went to a public house near the Bankruptcy Court, Portugal Street—the prisoner and a few others were there, backing horses—we discussed about the winner—from there I went to the Napier Hotel, in Holborn, with the prisoner—a Mr. Makins was in the bar—I, the prisoner, and Makings, went to the telegraph office at the corner of Gray's Inn Road, and the prisoner dictated a telegram and I wrote it—it was sent—I and the prisoner then went to Mr. Hooper's, the prisoner's solicitor, 35, Newgate Street, about 12.30—I met a Mr. Lee there, a solicitor, and some others—we went across to the Seven Stars—I there said to Mr. Hooper, Mr. Potts, the landlord, and others, "I have sent a telegram to back 'Jackal' for 15l."—they asked if we thought he was likely to win—I, Mr. Hooper, and Mr. Lee, then went to a betting club in the Strand—the prisoner had then left—when we were discussing the merits of Jackal Mr. Hooper said that he should back the horse for two sovereigns—Jackal did not win—Atkins made no demand for the 15l.—I occupied the same premises both before and after March, and in May I was in treaty with the prisoner to advance money with regard to my wife's property, and I had an appointment for me and my wife to meet the prisoner to execute a deed at Messrs. Digby's, at 11 o'clock one day in May—Mr. O'Brien, the prisoner's solicitor, went with us—the prisoner was to meet us there—a conversation took place with respect to the deed with Mr. Digby, in consequence of which I, my wife, and O'Brien left the office—on coming away we met the prisoner—he apologised to Mrs. Parker for being late—Mr. O'Brien said "No matter, Mr. Martin, Mr. Digby will not allow Mrs. Parker to sign the deed"—the prisoner flew in a great rage and said "By God, Mrs. Parker, if yon do not sign that deed I will charge your husband with having given a false name to a telegram, and that will give him seven years—Mrs. Parker said "You may give him 20 if you like, I will not sign that deed"—we then left—I met the prisoner frequently between that interview and when I was taken in custody—he said "There will be a warrant against you one of these fine days"—between 5th July and 20th August I lived at the Hermitage, Epsom—during the remand, when I was on bail, I did not see the prisoner—Chancery proceedings have been taken with respect to the deed, and those proceedings were decided at the beginning of the year—the prisoner swore "I never authorised or requested him," meaning myself, "to send the before-mentioned telegram"—that was false—this was also false, "I never authorised him to use my name for that or any purpose"—I appeared against the prisoner for perjury at the commencement of this year.

Cross-examined. I was liable to the prisoner for the bet on "Jackal"—I stood to win or lose—I lost—I paid the following day or the day after—I sent Mr. Carr to pay Atkins—I did not telegraph in my own name because I did not know Atkins—when I laid the information I swore I did not know Atkins by name or sight—I had seen him once, but at that time I thought I had not—I did not owe him 5l.—I will not swear Atkins had not a dishonoured cheque of mine; I was told he had—I was never asked to pay it—I do not know that it was dishonoured; it might be, I cannot say—that was not the reason I did not put my own name

on the telegram—I gave Atkins a cheque for 10l. on the August Bank Holiday in 1874—I had an account at the London and County Bank, Holborn branch, at the time I gave the cheque—I do not believe it was paid—the account might not have been sufficient to meet it—I forget all about it and all about the circumstances of meeting Mr. Atkins; I only saw him for about five minutes in a public-house next to the Beaufort Club—I did not know Atkins's address till the prisoner dictated it, and I believed I was a perfect stranger—I was a civil engineer 30 years ago under Robert Stephenson—since that time I have lived upon my private means, not by attending races—I have not been on a racecourse 10 times in the last seven years—Makins, I believe, used to keep the St. John of Jerusalem, Clerkenwell—it was seven years ago—I was in his house twice—I was not intimate with him—I do not know whether it was a sporting house—the bet was not compromised to my knowledge.

Re-examined. It was through the prisoner's introduction that I saw Atkins.

FRANCES WEBB PARKER . I am the wife of the last witness—in May, 1875, I went to Messrs. Digby's office to execute a deed—Mr. O'Brien was there before me—my husband came afterwards—in consequence of what passed between me and Messrs. Digby I did not sign the deed—after leaving we met the prisoner in Lincoln's Inn Fields—he said "I must apologise, Mrs. Parker, for being late"—Mr. O'Brien said "Oh, you need not apologise, Messrs. Digby would not let Mrs. Parker sign"—the prisoner said "Never mind, if Mrs. Parker will sign"—I said "I shall not sign"—he said "If you do not sign, by God, I will give your husband seven years for forging my name to a telegram"—I said "You may give him 20 if you like, I shall not sign"—I saw the prisoner several times between May and August—either the prisoner or Hooper said it would be bad for Mr. Parker if I did not sign, as they would prosecute him for forging the prisoner's name to a telegram—after my husband was arrested I saw the prisoner, and also Mr. Hooper, in the prisoner's presence—on 27th August I went to Mr. Hooper's office—the prisoner there said if I did not sign the deed he could not assist me; and Mr. Hooper produced the deed with some erasures and said it was altered; and as the time of the remand was running out I signed, and three minutes afterwards the prisoner went to Bow Street, and at 12 o'clock the charge was withdrawn and my husband was discharged—proceedings have been taken in Chancery, and the Master of the Rolls gave a decision on 14th February—my husband took out a summons a mouth before that.

Cross-examined. My husband commenced proceedings for perjury about October last, and commenced the Chancery in January last.

WILLIAM MAKINS . I was formerly a licensed victualler—I am now in no business—I live in Bouverie Street—I know Charles Abraham Parker and the prisoner—I was not at the Napier Hotel in Holborn in March, 1875, on the day of the Grand National—I made a mistake, I was in the infirmary then—the telegram sent off was in 1874—I went into the infirmary on 4th January and came out the third week in April, 1875—I never heard of a horse called Jackal till I was told of him—Tomahawk was the horse I heard of—I went with the prisoner and Mr. Parker several times, but not in 1875, nor when the Grand National was run—I swore before the Magistrate that I did, but I made a mistake—I thought

of Tomahawk—I believe I gave the evidence that you have read in my depositions; it is not true—I could not be sure, I was in the infirmary—I have not seen the prisoner to speak to—I swore an information before Mr. Vaughan and a summons was granted against the prisoner for forgery. (The deposition being read stated, that "Makins was well aware that his statements respecting the telegram were false, and that he had therefore committed perjury.") That has been written since, on my Bible oath—that is my signature—I referred to Tomahawk—I have not been offered any money—I told the prisoner what I was coming here for when I found out where I was—I told Mr. Hooper's clerk, (MR. WILLIAMS here withdrew from the Prosecution.) NOT GUILTY .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-491
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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491. ALFRED THORNTON (44) , Being found by night with housebreaking implements in his possession without lawful excuse.

MR. ROBERT WILLIAMS conducted the Prosecution; and MR. M. WILLIAMS the Defence.

GEORGE GOWER (Policeman 238 H). On the evening of 16th April I was in Bethnal Green Road about 2.15—I saw three men standing together—the prisoner was one—I concealed myself in a doorway—they went down Church Read—I heard a breaking of glass—I crossed the road and met the prisoner, buttoning up his coat—I stopped him and asked what was the matter, he said "Nothing"—I asked him what he had under his clothes, he said "Nothing"—I opened his coat and took this jemmy from under his left arm—another constable came up—I took the prisoner back to the house and found a ground-floor window broken, a small pane, about ten feet from the pavement—I took the prisoner to the station—he was examined—I found these five keys, this knife, and a gouge on him—I have accidentally lost the gouge—the prisoner said I made a mistake.

Cross-examined. I did not see the other two men afterwards—I lost sight of them in about a minute—the keys were separate—I have corded them together—they are ordinary keys—the prisoner did not say that he heard the breaking of a window and that he stumbled and picked up the piece of iron in the road.


6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-492
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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492. FREDERICK RATCLIFFE (22) , Feloniously cutting and wounding Edward Lusby on his head with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

MR. ROBERT WILLIAMS conducted the Prosecution.

EDWARD LUSBY . I am a grainer, of 117, Church Street, Edgware Road—on Saturday, 4th May, I was in Edgware Road with Cutts and Chapman, coining from Kilburn—we met the prisoner and two others—some fellows in front of us ran against them, and said something to them—they came against me, and the prisoner struck me in the head—I saw a knife in his hand—I felt the blood running down, and I saw the prisoner—I caught hold of one of the men, not the prisoner, and he got away—I went to the police doctor.

EDWARD CUTTS . I am an omnibus driver—on this night I was walking with the prosecutor about 12.45, coming from Kilburn—I saw a crowd, and stopped to see—I saw the prisoner and some men round him—we were pushed back all at once—one man said, "Come on, you b—, or I will rip you open"—I looked round and saw the prosecutor with his head hanging down—I said, "Come on"—I saw two men run away—one

man struck me on the back of my head when I was looking at the prisoner.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I saw no knife in your hand—I saw no blow struck—your friend picked up a parcel.

JOHN CHAPMAN . I am a horse-keeper, of Little North Street—I was with Lusby and Cutts—we met the prisoner and others in Edgware Road—I said, "Where are you going to?"—they used frightful language—Sheppard, another man in custody, hit Cutts on the top of his head with a stick—the prisoner said, "Come on, you b—, I've got something in my pocket that will settle some of you," and struck Lusby with this knife—he was going to do it a second time, but I stopped the blow—I saw Shepherd about to strike Cutts—that is all I know.

RICHARD NOBLE (Policeman S 375). On this Saturday night I was in Edgware Road—Shepherd was given into my custody—half an hour afterwards I found this knife in the road—three hours afterwards I arrested the prisoner in Kilburn—I told him what he would be charged with—he denied using the knife.

JOHN GUYS WESTMACOTT . I am surgeon to the X Division of Police—on Sunday, 6th May, I was called to the station between 1 and 2 a.m.—I found the prosecutor had been bleeding very much; one handkerchief was saturated, and this one was round his head—I undid it, and examined a wound on his forehead—it was two inches long—I bound it up—I have not since examined it, as it is better as it is—a knife like this would produce such a wound—it cut through this hat.

Prisoner's Defence. "It ain't me that done it. I never had no knife in my hand at all." GUILTY .— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-493
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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493. JAMES SHEPPARD (20) , Unlawfully assaulting Edward Cutts, and occasioning him actual bodily harm.

MR. ROBERT WILLIAMS conducted the Prosecution.

EDWARD CUTTS and JOHN CHAPMAN repeated their former evidence, Cutts adding, "I felt a blow on the hat—I see two running away—the prisoner had the stick," and Chapman adding, "Sheppard struck Cutts with a walking-stick—I stopped him and pushed him against the railings—I had not been drinking."

Prisoner's Defence." I was going to get a letter with a chap who was kind enough to show me the way. I heard something about a bottle in a crowd, and I got shoved down, and then I was taken in custody for stabbing a man. I do not know any more about it."

GUILTY .— Four Months' Imprisonment .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-494
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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494. JOHN KINLIN (32) , Stealing a watch and chain, the property of Henry Williams, from his person.

MR. R. WILLIAMS conducted the Prosecution.

HENRY WILLIAMS . I am a mariner, and now live at the Sailors' Home—I have a second mate's certificate—I was paid off at Marseilles and came through Paris to London—on 1st May I met the prisoner in the Minories in the evening—I remained with him some time and drank with him—we started for the Haymarket but stopped to have another drink—about 11.45 p.m. we were in a public-house—I then had my watch and chain, which are worth 2l. 10s.—the prisoner asked me to put the watch in my trousers pocket—I did so, and then took it out and put it in my

waistcoat pocket—I said "You look like a respectable man and won't do me any injury"—he snatched my watch and chain from me and ran away—I did not give it to him—I next saw him in custody with the watch and chain in his hand—I charged him.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I told you I had 7l. or 8l., and would treat you to the Haymarket—I was not quite drunk—I did not ask you to take care of my watch and chain.

MARK GEORGE HATHAWAY (City Detective). I followed the prosecutor and prisoner from Aldgate Street to the Minories—they went into the Fountain public-house—I waited outside about two minutes—the prisoner came running out—I chased him to Vine Street, Minories—I said "What are you running for?"—he said he was only having a lark with a friend of his—I saw a watch and chain in his right hand—I took him back to the public-house and asked the prosecutor, "Have you lost a watch and chain?"—he said "Yes, and you have the man that stole it from my waistcoat pocket"—with great violence I succeeded in getting this watch, which the prosecutor identified—the prosecutor had been drinking but he could take care of himself—I have been in the force seven years—the prisoner gave me a wrong address.

Cross-examined. It is about 40 yards from the Fountain to Tine Street—I should do it in about a minute—the prosecutor was looking for his watch when I went in—four or five people were there.

Prisoner's Defence. I made a mistake in the number. I had met the prosecutor on 28th April, and met him again by appointment on 1st May. He gave me his watch to take care of; we drank six or seven glasses of.

pale brandy; he treated me; he asked me to go to the Haymarket, and I was taking care of it when I was taken. He has given me 9l. or 10l. to take care of, which I gave him back two or three hours afterwards.

GUILTY .** He also PLEADED GUILTY to having been convicted of felony at Newington, in June, 1865.— Ten Years' Penal Servitude .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-495
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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495. THOMAS WILLIAMS (25) and GEORGE KING (22) , Robbery with violence upon Lewis Abrahams, and stealing a cheque for 41l. 13s. 10d. three pieces of paper, and 5l. 14s. in money.

MR. R. WILLIAMS conducted the Prosecution.

LEWIS ABRAHAMS . I am a silver and gold refiner of 22, Shepherd Street, Spitalfields—one Wednesday in April Mr. Welbeck gave me a cheque for 41l. 13s. 10d. at 20, Garrick Street, about 4 o'clock—I put it in my pocket in a bag with 5l. 15s. and some memoranda, and went into a public-house, called for some gin, and took out my bag to pay for it—Williams was there smoking a pipe—on leaving I was attacked near a dead wall by four men—one caught me round my neck—I lost my senses—when I came to, my bag was gone—I went to the public-house next day and made some inquiries.

Cross-examined. The public-house is not two minutes' walk from Welbeck's—I remained in the public-house about a quarter of an hour—the dead wall is in St. Martin's Lane.

SOLOMON BENJAMIN . I keep the Oak public-house, Blackmoor Street—on Sunday, 7th April, about five minutes to three, King knocked at my window and asked me if I should like to earn a score pounds—I afterwards went to him outside and asked him the way I was to make the money—he showed me this cheque for 41l. and said all I had to do was

to pay it to my brewer to-morrow morning—I looked at it and said "I am not satisfied with it; first of all it is not endorsed; next, how do you account for it?"—he handed me these memoranda from Mr. Welbeck and said "If you will endorse it I will arrange with you," and he was to come back at six o'clock—Williams said that they could put a good many things in my way—I was to have 20l.—they left me—I sought Mr. Welbeck and afterwards communicated with the police—about seven o'clock the prisoners entered and asked if there was any business—I got a bag of silver and said "If that is anything like business"—I put it in my pocket and said "We will go out and have something to drink"—we went to the Fountain—one of them said "Let us get on with this because we are short of money"—shortly afterwards an officer arrested them—Williams held the cheque and King transacted most of the business.

Cross-examined by Williams. You and King have been in my house before.

Re-examined. I have seen the prisoners in company before—they had this bag with them on the Sunday.

FREDERICK KEELEY (Police Inspector). About four o'clock on 7th April Mr. Benjamin made a communication to me, in consequence of which I went to his house in Wych Street at seven o'clock—I saw him and the prisoners talking—Partridge, another policeman, was with me—I called for something to drink—seeing King get towards the door I said "Wait a moment, we are policemen; Mr. Benjamin told me to-day you have offered him a cheque"—he said "We know nothing about it"—I said "We will take you to the station"—Williams was standing near a beer barrel—we took the prisoners to the station—we found nothing on them—I went back to the public-house, and where Williams was standing I picked up this bag and the contents—I went back and told the prisoners—they said "We know nothing about it."

Witnesses for King.

HENRY MORRIS HICKS . I am a printer, of 181, Fleet Street, and live at Dulwich—King worked for me to 6th April and had done so for at least six weeks—he did not leave his work at my place in April—he could not do so without being seen.

Cross-examined. He had not left my employ.

Williams's Defence. Five days had gone and the prosecutors knew nothing about the cheque. The detective found it out. If he had been robbed he would have made some statement.

King's Defence. I worked for Mr. Hicks. I met Williams, who told me he had some money left him, and we went the public-house to cash the cheque, which I told Mr. Benjamin belonged to Williams; but Mr. Benjamin said he would make it hot for me because he allowed card-playing in his house and I said I would stop it. There is no evidence that I robbed the man.

WILLIAMS— GUILTY .** He also PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony at this Court in September, 1875.— Seven Years' Penal Servitude . KING— NOT GUILTY .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-496
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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496. JOHN TUCK (18) and ALBERT TUCK (14) , Feloniously breaking and entering St. Simon's Church, Hammersmith, with intent to commit a felony. Second Count stealing certain moneys of Thomas Hancock.

MR. ROBERT WILLIAMS conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN FRANCIS . I am verger at St. Simon's Church, Hammersmith—on 15th April I went to the church about 8.20 a.m.—I found a window broken and a brick in the lobby—the hole was big enough for a boy to get through—I found no money in the box—the church door was still looked as I left it with the key inside—I went out the other way.

HARRIET FRANCIS . I am the wife of the last witness, and pew-opener at this church—I was present on Sunday evening previous to this entry, and saw two persons put money in the box, which was locked—I and my husband locked up the church and went away.

GEORGE LAPPAM . I am a plasterer's light labourer, and live at Hammersmith—I was about to commence work at 6 a.m. on 15th April when I saw John Tuck in the churchyard—he heaved a piece of brick at the window and broke it—after looking round he wrenched the glass out with his hands and entered head first—he had been in about five minutes when his brother ran across and entered—I afterwards saw one of them again in the churchyard—I did not see them come out of the church—Stone-worthy was with me.

FREDERICK STONEWORTHY . I was with Lappam on 15th April, and about to commence work—I saw John Tuck pull the glass out of the church window and get through—I afterwards saw the brother run and get in.

HENRY CROOKENDON (Detective T). I arrested the prisoners—Albert said, "You have been trying to get me for some time"—John said, "Oh, all right; I know nothing about it."

REV. ROBERT HANCOCK . I am a clerk in holy orders, and in charge of St. Simon's Church—this is the expenses box—the money is handed over to me, and I am responsible to the Vicar of Hammersmith—the church is licensed preparatory to a permanent church.

John Tuck's Defence. I went at 6.20 a.m. to look for work. I could not get any, and went to join the militia. Albert Tuck's Defence. I was not there at all.

Witnesses for the Defence.

JANE TUCK . I am the prisoners' mother—they left home on 15th April at 6.30 by my clock, which was ten minutes fast.

JAMES TUCK . I am the prisoners' father—they left home on 15th April at 6.33 by my dock, which was ten minutes fast—I had sent out to look at the Telegraph Hotel clock the night before—Albert's duties call him down in the neighbourhood several times during the day—he is well known there.


6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-497
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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497. GEORGE LEAHEY (22) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of John Gouldstone and stealing two shawls and other articles his goods.

MR. RAVEN conducted the Prosecution.

LYDIA GOULDSTONE . I live at 15, Dowdney Street, Limehouse, and am the wife of John Gouldstone—on 13th April I left home about 8.10 p.m., leaving the doors fastened—I returned at about 9.20 p.m.—I went through my brother's house, and through a wicket gate in at the back door—I saw a bundle in the passage—I went to the foot of the stairs—I heard a lumbering noise upstairs—some one said, "We want George"—the prisoner came down, and some one behind him—I said, "What do you do up there?"—he said, "You know all about it," and knocked me

in the chest—I heard the men unbolt the door—they jumped into a cart and drove away—I said, "Stop the cart; there are thieves in it"—on examining the bundle I found my clothes and my lodger's clothes—I had left my clothes in boxes and drawers in my bedroom—I went to the police-station and gave a description of the prisoner, and afterwards went and identified him.

Cross-examined. I have lodgers, but they were out—there are four rooms—your blow shoved me into the kitchen—I pointed you out to a man in Waterloo Street—he did not say anything about you.

WALTER BREED (Policeman K 613). From a description I received I apprehended the prisoner—I told him I should take him for being concerned with two others in a burglary—on the way he said "I would not do such a thing as a burglary, which one was it?"—he was placed with other men at the station and identified by the last witness.

Cross-examined. I did not ask you for a knife, I spoke to the other men.

Prisoner's Defence. I was waiting for a friend outside where a teetotaller preaches, and saw a man coming along, with two others. He came back and looked at me. I waited three quarters of an hour, when the first witness saw me. She should have given me in custody then. The policeman put things into her head for the purpose of getting me convicted.

GUILTY . ** He also PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony at this Court in January, 1876.— Seven Years' Penal Servitude .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-498
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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498. THOMAS BELTON (18) , Unlawfully attempting to enter the dwelling-house of Arthur Ford, and steal his goods and moneys.

MR. A. B. KELLY conducted the Prosecution.

ARTHUR FORD . I keep a cigar shop in Gray's Inn Road—on 22nd April, about 12.30, I left my shop secured, to see some friends part of the way home—I returned about 1.30—I found some woodwork of the door had been cut away.

JAMES BLACKMAN (Policeman G 319). I was on duty at Gray's Inn a little before 2 o'clock, opposite the prosecutor's shop—I saw the prisoner and three other men and a female lurking about 176, Gray's Inn Road—I concealed myself in a doorway—I saw a gentleman and two ladies come down Gray's Inn Road—they stood on the edge of the pavement and looked up at the top of a house—I saw the prisoner and three others go to the door of 176—the prisoner knelt down, one of the men handed him an instrument, and he commenced working at the door—it was raining—they sang out "Copper" and ran up Gray's Inn Road—I ran after them 200 yards and caught the prisoner—I was taking him back to the house when he said "All right, governor, I know what you are going to take me back to that house for Never mind, I shall have to suffer for the bleeding lot"—"Copper" means policeman—there was a lamp opposite the door.

EDWARD HOLT . I am a clerk and live in Calthorpe Street—I was in Gray's Inn Road about 1.20—I saw two or three people running—I was smoking—I saw the constable holding the prisoner—the constable seemed exhausted from running and claimed my assistance—I went with them to the shop and saw the marks on the door—the prisoner said "You have got hold of the wrong one this time"—on going back to the shop the prisoner said "I shall have to suffer for the bleeding lot."

The Prisoner's Statement before th Magistrate. "I was up and down

Gray's Inn Road from 8.45 till 1.30. The gentleman who keeps the shop was being pushed about by two policemen. I had some coffee and the constable took me and showed me the door, and I am innocent of it."

Witness for the Defence.

MRS. BELTON. I am the prisoner's mother—he is a well-conducted man and my chief supporter—I have a daughter—I have been a widow 11 years—my lad was never handled by the police before.


OLD COURT.—Wednesday, May 8th, 1878.

Before Mr. Justice Grove.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-499
VerdictNot Guilty > non compos mentis
SentenceImprisonment > insanity

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499. EMMA BROWN (33), Feloniously wounding Henry James Brown with intent to murder. Second Count with intent to do grievous bodily harm.

MR. J. P. GRAIN conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN SMITH (Policeman). I am stationed at Twickenham—on 22nd March last I was on duty at the police-station there—about five minutes to six in the afternoon the prisoner came there and said "I wish to give myself up for murdering my little boy"—I asked her where—she said in the second cross road at Twickenham—I called the sergeant and informed him in her presence of what she had said and she then said "Murdering or attempting to murder"—the sergeant asked how she had done it—she said "I cut his throat and left him in the bed, don't ask me any more; take the key and go and see"—I took the key and went to the house she indicated—I inquired next door, found the husband there, and he unlocked the door with the key—I went upstairs, went into the room, and found the little boy on his face on the bed with his throat out—I believe he is seven years old next July—I sent for Dr. Ward—I have lived close to the prisoner about two years—she always walks along the street very strange and looks at no one, as though she is full of trouble—I have seen her a good deal the worse for drink many times, but not to say drunk—there are no other children—the husband is a bricklayer—they lived together—I do not know that the prisoner has been confined in Colney Hatch Asylum.

MARTINDALE COWSLADE WARD, M. D . I practise and live at Twickenham—on Friday evening, 22nd March, about six o'clock, I was called to the house in question and there found a child lying on the bed—my assistant was with me, and we examined the wound together—at first we could hardly tell whether the child was dead or alive—it had lost a very large quantity of blood—there was a very extensive wound across the throat about 5 inches in length—it cut almost entirely through the windpipe, and laid it bare but did not divide the large vessels on both sides—both the carotid artery and the jugular vein on both sides were exposed—heemorrhage was still going on and oozing into the windpipe—I succeeded in getting the child to swallow a small quantity of milk and brandy—ultimately we succeeded in saving the child's life—it very nearly died—mortification set in from the wound—I believe it will recover—I was shown this razor—it is the sort of instrument that would cause such a wound—about 10 o'clock the same night I was requested by the police sergeant to visit the prisoner in the cell—I examined her

and found that she had a little wound on the left thumb, and on turning up her sleeve her left arm was covered with recent blood—I could not say that she was drunk at the time, but she gave me the appearance of an habitual drunkard, a woman who was scarcely ever sober; she was quite capable of reasonably answering all questions put to her—I put some questions to her about the occurrence, and she also put some questions to me—she was able to answer questions rationally—she pressed me whether the child was likely to recover.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You might have been asleep when I came—you answered the questions which I put to you rationally—you repeatedly asked me whether I thought the child would live, and I said I could not give a positive opinion, it was in God's hands—you were not drunk—I should say you had been drinking heavily for a long time—it was a state of chronic drunkenness.

By the COURT. I am afraid the prisoner will not understand what you mean by that.

Prisoner. Yes, I perfectly understand, but I don't want to criminate myself.

JOHN ROWLING (Police Sergeant18 T). I was called in by the constable and saw the prisoner at the station, and she repeated to me what she had stated to the constable—her appearance indicated to me that delirium tremens was coming on or going off—I have seen several such cases—she did not appear drunk, and yet her manner was strange—I directed the constable to go on to the house with all haste, and finding he did not return I went on and saw the child and the doctor there—I produce a jacket which I took from the prisoner—she was wearing it at the time she gave herself up.

DR. WARD (Re-examined). I did not see any symptom of delirium tremens either past or threatening—delusion as to people and things is one of the first symptoms, or acute trembling of the frame generally—that is continuous until by treatment they become better—it lasts for days and nights—I saw no symptom of that.

JOHN LIST (Policeman T 55). I went to the house with Dr. Ward's assistant—a rug was removed from the child on the bed, and this razor fell from the rug; it was open.

HENRY JONES . I was a police inspector on 22nd March, at Twickenham—about 8 that evening I saw the prisoner at the station and placed her in the dock and read the charge to her—it was for feloniously cutting and wounding her son, Henry James Brown, by cutting his throat with a razor—she said "I gave myself up for that"—I said she would be detained and taken before the Magistrate in the morning—she said "By their judgment and the law of the land may I be judged"—she repeated those words two or three times—she said it in a decided way—she was very strange in her manner—I caused her to be locked up and a watch to be kept on the cell during the night.

Prisoner. I only said it once or twice because some one seemed not to hear me.

The Prisoner's Statement he/ore the Magistrate. "I can only say I am sincerely sorry for the wicked act, and I hope God will forgive me for it; otherwise I reserve my defence."

Prisoner's Defence. I have no witnesses. I stand accused of my crime, and I only wish to be tried by the laws of my country. I am very sorry

for the act I committed when drunk. I am perfectly sane in my intellects, and I thank God for it. I am willing to bear whatever my country's laws put upon me, and I shall thank God for saving my mind. I thank God my mind is quite sound. I know my mother-in-law is here. She can prove I have been in an asylum; but I don't wish to call any witnesses. I don't know that she can do me any good; you may call her if you please.

MARY BROWN . I am the prisoner's mother-in-law—she was confined in Colney Hatch Lunatic Asylum, I believe from about April till August, in 1872—I visited her there—the doctors said she was insane, that is all I know—I believe it was brought on from drink—she was very much in the habit of drinking at that time, before she went to the asylum—I know nothing of her family—I know she drank—I believe she committed this, act in a state of drink—when sober she was very loving to the child and always seemed very fond of him, and she was so to me—when sober she always did everything proper, when in drink she was very strange in every way—at other times I always found her what she ought to be—I will always take care of the boy—her mother committed suicide—I do not know whether it was when she was under the influence of drink.

WILLIAM GERSLADE MARSHALL . I am a surgeon, and am resident superintendent of the female department of the Colney Hatch Asylum—the prisoner was under my charge there from 4th April until July, 1872, when she went out on trial—the nature of her mania was madness from drink—she had loss of memory, and she was under the impression that she was poisoned—she wanted to put back three years of her life, and her ideas were generally confused—she was discharged off the books in August, 1872—I was not at home then—the last time I saw her she went out on trial, because I thought it would be better for her—I supposed her to be cured, or she would not have been discharged—she has not been back since that I am aware of—when she was labouring under these delusions she was not able to know that any act she committed was a wrong act, or of knowing the nature and quality of the act—when she was discharged I believed her to be perfectly sane and responsible for her actions—she soon recovered from the excitement.

Prisoner. All I can say is that at the time I committed my act I had been drinking, and drunken persons don't know exactly what they do. I am very sorry for the act I have done and I truly repent; had I been sober I would not have done it, because willfully I would not have hurt him. I know I done it, and I am willing to suffer for it.

NOT GUILTY on the ground of insanity. Ordered to be detained till Her Majesty's pleasure he known .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-500
VerdictsNot Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Not Guilty > no evidence
SentencesImprisonment > penal servitude

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500. HENRY JOHN CHAD (25) and JESSIE CHAD (25) , Setting fire to certain bedclothes and other things, under such circumstances that if the house had been set fire to they would have been guilty of felony.

MR. FRERE conducted the Prosecution; and MR. FULTON defended Henry John Chad.

JAMES HILDER (Policeman X 221). On 14th March I was on duty in Lansdown Road about 11.40 at night, and saw the male prisoner there speaking to two other men—I went up to them and asked the prisoner what was the matter—he said "We have lost the plate out of our house"

—I said "Where do you live?"—he said "75, Lansdowne Road"—I said "What time did you miss it?"—he said "I came home about 11.30; after I had been downstairs and taken off my hat and coat, on searching the rooms on my way to bed I missed the plate"—I and Constable Lewis then walked into the hall of the house—the female prisoner came and opened the door of the dining-room and the door of the sideboard which was in the dining-room, and she said in the male prisoner's presence "That is where the plate is gone from, it was wrapped in flannel"—I said "Have you searched the house?"—the male prisoner said "No, we have only been downstairs"—I then went up to the first-floor front bedroom, and on opening the door smoke burst out in my face—I said "You have a fire here"—I then took from the male prisoner a candle which he brought upstairs and entered the room—the smoke was so thick that I could not find the fire, and I had to leave the room—on entering a second time I placed my hand on the mattress; it gave way and the fire rolled out in ray hand; there were three mattresses—I then sent the other constable for the fire-engine; he returned and got water, which I poured on the mattresses and extinguished the fire—the bed-clothing which was on the bed I had previously taken off and rolled up in a ball—I then entered the back bedroom on the same floor—the female prisoner, who held followed me, exclaimed "Oh, some one has got in here; see, they have moved the drawers from the window"—one corner of the drawers had been pushed away from the window; it appeared that they had been in front of the window; there were flower pots on the drawers; the window was closed but unfastened, and the blind was down—I examined the window, there were no marks; there were bars outside, about 8 or 9 inches apart—we then went to the front bedroom second floor, and I there saw a mattress which had very recently been on fire, and a toilet-cover lying on it partly burnt—there was no fire, it was just burning out—I then went downstairs to the first floor again, when I, met Bolton, the fireman, and examined the back room with him—I found no marks of any entry having been made—I don't think any could possibly have been made without leaving marks—I saw Lewis take a box of matches from the table on the first-floor landing; he made some remark to the male prisoner about them, which I did not hear—I was afterwards present when the names and addresses were given—I left about 12.45—the house was quite close to where I first saw the prisoner—I was standing at the corner, and it was only one house from the corner.

Cross-examined. I was in plain clothes—the men the prisoner was talking to were a tradesmen and a man in his employ, and a constable in uniform, on the beat—they were very nearly opposite the house—they are not here—I was standing so close to them that I could overhear their conversation, and I walked up to them—I believe I did not tell the prisoner that I was a constable before I went into the house—the constable in uniform did not go in, he remained at the gate—Lewis went in with me, he was in plain clothes—the prisoner was speaking to the other constable about the plate being lost—I did not inquire where he had been that evening, merely the time he went out and returned—he remained in the house till the fireman came—the mattress was burnt through—I believe it was a wool mattress—there was a hole burnt in it, but it had not spread to the rest of the mattress—that fire had died out recently—

that does not apply to the other room, that was on fire—I could not say the length of time it had been burning—it was burnt from the foot to the head, and half way across the bed—the clothing was burnt—the man was taken into custody on this charge the next evening.

By the COURT. There were no other persons in the house but the two prisoners—there was no connection between the two fires—they must have been quite separate, they were on two separate floors—the bars were to the first floor window—that is about 20 feet from the ground; and the second floor about 28.

By Jessie Chad. Your husband did not help to put the fire out—he said that when he put the key in the street door it only turned once instead of twice.

WILLIAM LEWIS (Policeman X R 29). I was with Hilder on the night of 14th March about 11.40 and saw the male prisoner talking to two other men—we went up to them—the prisoner said that somebody had broken into the house and they had lost some plate; and he, and I, and Hilder went to 75, Lansdowne Road—I saw the female prisoner in the hall close to the door—I went with her into the dining-room—she opened the sideboard door and said "Here is where the plate is gone from"—she pointed out a piece of flannel and said "It was wrapped up in this piece of flannel"—the male prisoner was present—we were all together—we went upstairs to the first-floor landing—there was a box of matches on a table—I said "Here is a box of matches"—both prisoners said "They belong to us," and the male prisoner put it in his pocket there was a match on the table which had been recently lighted—I have heard Hilder's evidence and agree with him as to all the appearances in both rooms—the female prisoner pointed to the window in the back room first floor and said" That is where the entry was made"—I examined and there were no marks of any there, or in any part of the house—I examined the garden at the back of the house, and there were no marks there of any footsteps, the gravel was soft—the female prisoner said in the hall, before the fireman arrived, "It is a very bad job, and it is worse for me because I am so far gone in the family way."

Cross-examined. Hilder and I put out the fire before the fireman came—the male prisoner showed me where to get the water, from a tap on the first-floor landing.

CHARLES HENRY BOLTER . I am an engineer of the London Fire Brigade stationed at Ladbroke Road, Notting Hill—on 14th March I was called to a fire at 75, Lansdowne Road, at 11.57, and I arrived there at about two minutes to 12 o'clock—I went upstairs to the front bedroom first floor, and examined the mattress and bedding—the fire was quite out then—judging from the appearances I should judge the fire had been burning from 15 to 20 minutes at the very outside—I have been 24 years in the brigade, and have attended a great many fires—on entering the room I discovered a peculiar smell, as if some chemical had been used in the process of the fire—there was a large body of smoke in the room—I can hardly describe what the smell was like—I opened the window to allow the smoke to pass out—I went to the second floor; there had been a fire on the bed in the front room; something like a toilet cover had been set light and thrown on the bed—the bed was perfectly bare of clothes, and the toilet cover had burnt itself on the mattress—it had not been burning many minutes—I examined the premises with the constable—the male

prisoner called my attention to the chest of drawers which had been removed from the window in the back room first floor, and said that some one had made an entry there—the drawers had been moved—there were some flower-pots on the drawers; they were top-heavy, and it would have been impossible to have entered the window and pushed them aside without overturning them—there were not the slightest marks on the window—I examined the garden; there were no traces of any footmarks or of a ladder—the soil was soft—we searched the house throughout from top to bottom, and did not find the slightest marks of any entry—I asked the female if she had any idea of the cause of the fire; she said she could not account for it—I asked what time she went out—she said about 6 o'clock—I asked what time she returned—she said about half-past 11 o'clock—I asked her if she had a light of any kind, gas or a candle, previous to going out—she said there was no occasion for it, as it was quite light when she went out—I asked if there had been a fire in the room—she said, "No"—I asked if she had had any matches about the place—she said "No"—I asked how she found the premises on returning—she said that on opening the street door, instead of the lock turning twice, she opened it with one turn only, showing that somebody had entered previous to her—I then asked her for the occupier's name—she went downstairs into the dining-room and got me a card with Mr. Corbett's name and address on it—the two fires were perfectly distinct and separate; there was no communication whatever between them—I should say they must have been wilful—there was no sign of their being accidental

Cross-examined. I can judge of the time a fire has been burning within a very few minutes—it would only take a very few minutes to consume the toilet cover—the tick of the mattress was also burnt just where the toilet cover laid—that was my reason for thinking that chemicals were used, from its burning so rapidly; I believe that something had been poured on to assist the fire in burning—I examined the lock of the street door—it was the usual street door lock—it acted pretty well—I certainly did not turn the key; it had a handle inside, I think, but I would not be positive—I did not notice any way by which a person could enter the house except by unlocking the door.

DAVID WOLFERD (Detective X). On 15th March, about 10 a.m., I went to 75, Lansdowne Road—I found both the prisoners there—I went with them into the dining-room, and the female prisoner, pointing to the sideboard, said "That is where the plate was stolen from"—I went upstairs with Inspector Higgins and found that a bed had been burnt in the front room first floor, and also one in the second-floor front—the female pointed to a bath in that room, and said there had been linen taken from it—in the back room first floor a table or drawers stood near the window with flower-pots on it—the female prisoner said "That must be the way they came in"—I examined the window, there were no marks on it; outside of it there was a guard rail to keep flower-pots from falling, and there were marks of dust or soot on the sill which had not been touched—I examined the rest of the house and found no marks of entry anywhere—I asked the prisoners where they were supposed to be last night during the time the house had been entered—the female said "I went to my mother's, 17, Market Street, Paddington, and also to my brother's, 18, Bolton Road, the Knight of Saint John's public-house"—I made inquiries and found that statement to be correct—I returned to the house and told

the prisoners I had found the statement correct, but not the tale they told about the thieves entering the house, that I could not believe it, and that they must consider themselves in custody for being concerned together in stealing the property which they had stated bad been stolen—the male prisoner said "I know nothing about it myself, and if my wife does it is unbeknown to me"—the female prisoner said "My husband knows nothing about it; I took the things and pledged them in Portobello Road and Archer Street, Notting Hill," where I afterwards found portions of the property—I took the prisoners to the station—I afterwards examined the house, No. 75, Lansdowne Road, with Mr. Corbett, and found boxes and drawers and chests broken open, and in a drawer in the room occupied. by the prisoners I found this screw-driver, which I matched to the marks on the drawers and the chests which had been broken, and found they corresponded.

Cross-examined. The male prisoner has always said that he knew nothing about it—he was present when the female stated where the property was pawned.

CHARLES FENN . I am assistant to a pawnbroker in Portobello Road—I produce six electro-plated table-spoons, dessert-spoons, forks, curtains, blankets, and towels pledged by the female prisoner between the 18th December, 1877, and the 30th March, 1878, in the name of Jenny Smith.

CLIFFORD LUCCOMB . I am assistant to Messrs. Reed, pawnbrokers, of 10, Archer Street, Notting Hill—I produce two watches, some rings, a chain, two hearth-rugs, and other articles, pawned by the female prisoner between the 24th December, 1877, and the 13th March, 1877.

ELEANOR MARY CORBETT . I am the wife of Captain Frank Vincent Corbett, of the Royal Engineers, now in India—up to December last I was living with my children at 75, Lansdowne Road—I left on the evening of the 11th December with my children for Biarritz—the prisoners were to come and take charge of the house after my servants left—I returned to England on 26th March, and next day went to 75, Lansdowne Road—I found in two of the rooms the beds had been set fire to, and a box had been opened, and the contents had been taken out—the house was entirely stripped—I do not think any one could have been living in the house without seeing the condition it was in—most of the things were locked up in the room which the prisoners slept in—I have examined the articles produced, they are my husband's property—a great number of other things are missing—the value of the articles taken would be about 150l. or 160l.

Cross-examined. A good deal of plate is still missing—I only saw the female prisoner when I engaged them to look after the house—I supposed her to be a married woman and that her husband was to come there and live with her—they were sent to me by a woman whom I knew well, and in whom I had perfect confidence, I believe she was an aunt of the female prisoner, I had known her ever since she was a child, there is no reason to believe that she is in any way implicated—I understood from the female prisoner that her husband was a carpenter—I had told the female prisoner that I should return to England about 15th of March—I had received a letter from her about the 8th asking me to let her know when I should be back as she would have to find a lodging for herself and my answer arrived after they were in custody.

JOSEPHINE CALLANAN . I am maid to Mrs. Corbett—when I went abroad

with her in December last, I left at 75, Lansdowne Road some jewellery and other articles in a box—the jewellery was in a small box in a large American trunk, which was locked with two locks and a chain—I identify the jewellery produced as part of that I left in the trunk.

EMILY JANE BULL . I was in Mrs. Corbett's service—when she left on 11th December I remained in the house till the following night—the female prisoner came to take charge of the house in the afternoon of 12th December—I did not see the man at all—everything was safe and in order when I left on the 13th.

Cross-examined by Jessie Chad. As far as I know everything was locked up—the keys were left in the cupboard and wardrobe, but nothing was left there except some curtains—Mrs. Corbett herself put the basket of silver in the chest, locked it and took the key abroad with her—no silver was left out but a little for your use.

ELIZABETH FINDLAY . I was cook at 72, Lansdowne Road, opposite 75—I have seen the prisoners go in and out of 75—I think in January I saw some things put in a cab that was standing at the door, and the female prisoner was standing at the door with a candle; it was about 7 o'clock at night—I can't say who put the things in or what they were—since then I have seen the man go in and out—he appeared to be living there—once I saw him leave with a bundle under his arm and the female had a baby in her arms—that was about a week before the fire.

Cross-examined. It was about 4 o'clock in the afternoon when I saw him with the bundle—I did not mention about it till after I heard of the fire.

The Prisoners' Statements before the Magistrate. Henry John Chad: "I don't know anything about it at all." Jessie Chad: "I say nothing. My husband is innocent of all. We are both innocent of the fire; any one of sense must know the bed had been burning more than 20 minutes. I am guilty of the other things, I know."

Jessie Chad's Defence. My husband knew nothing about the things. I pledged them; all the things fetched was 13l. I intended to fetch them home before Mrs. Corbett came back. I pledged them unknown to my husband. He is my husband; we should have been married before, but he was not in work. HENRY JOHN CHAD received a good character. NOT GUILTY .

JESSIE CHAD— GUILTY .— Seven Years' Penal Servitude . There was another indictment against the male prisoner for the larceny, upon which no evidence was offered .

NEW COURT.—Wednesday, May 8th, 1878.

Before Baron Pollock.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-501
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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501. PAUL DUBOIS (32) and CORNELIUS DE JONGH (41) , Feloniously engraving a metal plate, intended to resemble a note of the Bank of England.

MESSRS. POLAND and GREENE conducted the Prosecution: MR. STRAIGHT appeared for Dubois and MR. COOPER-WYLD for De Jongh.

MORRIS DE LEON . I am an engraver and die sinker, at 24, Rathbone Place, Oxford Street—on 14th January Dubois called and made a small purchase, and on the 23rd January he called again and ordered three

presses for endorsing stamps on bills and invoices, and on the 31st he called and took them away—on that occasion he gave the name of Paul; and said that he was sorry he had not given me his address before—he called again on 8th February and produced this piece of paper with "F. May" on it, and said that he wanted a stamp made for a fac simile—the signature struck me immediately as that of the Dutch Consul in London—I am a Dutchman—I think he wrote on it in the shop "Pym," and I scratched it out and wrote "Pimlico" with an "i"—I said that part of the "y" in May could not be included in a No. 3 stamp, and produced a larger press—he took a small piece of paper out of his pocket marked 40 A, 40 B, 40 C and 41 C—40 A. was in pen and ink, and the others were in pencil—he wanted me to make blocks for them, and also blocks from this small piece of paper with a 1 and a 9—he asked me if I had figures to match those—I showed him several and in one the stroke ran up—he said that that would not do, he wanted them executed the same, and wanted me to make a block with "39" on it, and three extra sets of figures from 1 to 0, so that he could print 39,000, 120, 121, 122, and so on—he did not leave the pieces of paper with me—I told him the best thing he could do was to introduce a numbering machine to his customers, as those loose figures would be difficult to work, and if he was so particular about the numbers I could not do it unless he brought a strip of paper with all the figures upon it—he said that when he called for the other press he would give me the order for the numbering machine, the price of which was to be 5l. 10s.—he paid me 5s. deposit, and 1l. 5s. 8d. was to be the price of the stamp and blocks, leaving 1l. 0s. 8d.—he gave no name or address—he wanted the work ready on Monday, 11th February, at 11 o'clock, military hours—I completed the order, but he did not come—a friend called my attention to the propriety of having the stamp with "F. May" upon it, and I communicated with the authorities of the Bank—on 19th March he came again with De Jongh, and said that he had not called before as he was ill, but it did not matter as, his customer did not want the stamp, and therefore I must let him have it a little cheaper—I said I could not let him have it for less—he said, "At any rate you must deduct the 8d., as I will give you another order"—he then produced these papers, Q and R, and asked me to make the figures on R the same shape and size as marked on Q, and asked what the price would be—I told him 3d. per letter per block—he said that that would be too dear—I told him I could make loose types—he said that he wanted them by Friday, and De Jongh said, "No. Thursday night"—I said that I would let him have them if he would keep his time better—I told Dubois he must leave 2l. deposit for the numbering machine, and that it would take eight days making—he said that was all right; he would give me the order when he called for the others—he said that he would pay me 15s. or 1l. for the press I had made, and leave it with me till Thursday evening—I said, "You had better take it with you, as when you have paid for it it is your property"—he said that he was not going home, and should prefer to leave it with me—I told him I was going to Paris to the Exhibition, and that if he left it with me it was likely to be mislaid, and it would be better for him to take it—he agreed to do so, and made a sign to De Jongh, who passed a sovereign to me, and the stamp and press were handed to Dubois—this bill was made out to Mr. Paul—I did not know any other name—the total was 11l. 5s. 8d., less 5s. deposit,

and the 8d. he told me to deduct left 1l.—that included the stamps 40 A, 40 B, and 40 C—this is the stamp I made; it is self-inking—I called to my book-keeper to make out a bill for the six extra types at 1s., and De Jongh said, "No, you said 9d. each"—I said, "That is right; I made a mistake"—De Jongh asked me if I printed cards—I said "Yes"—he asked me the price of 100 cards—I said "3s."—De Jongh said that he wanted the additional stamps on Thursday night—the prices were handed to them and they left.

Cross-examined by MR. STRAIGHT. The police officers were upstairs in my house—the conversations I had were all after communicating with the police, and it was arranged that I was to make the prisoners take the things away—I have a Paris house as well—I have several silver medals from International Exhibitions, but my shop is very small and my business not very extensive—Dubois came on 14th, 21st, and 31st January, February 8th, and March 19th—I have had a copy of my evidence given me from Mr. Freshfield to see if it was correct—it had all the conversations with Dubois in it—I have not got it here.

Cross-examined by MR. COOPER-WYLD. De Jongh only came on March 19th—I did not know him before—he sat on the counter—this (produced) is a plan of my shop—I made it myself—it is correct to an inch—this partion has a glass which opens dividing the shop in half—De Jongh did not say a single word, except when Dubois said Friday he said "Have it on Thursday"—he was on the farther side of the shop and passed the sovereign over to Dubois, when he made the sign and Dubois took it up and paid—they were 5 feet 8 inches apart—De Jongh spoke to me about printing some cards and gave his name, but no address—we had a little conversation in Dutch, but not about this business—he said that he had relations in Rotterdam—he did not order the cards—he said that he had his own plate—he appeared to take an interest in the transaction going on—he could see the press but not the impression I made, he was too far off.

Re-examined. Before I was examined before the Lord Mayor my statement was taken down at Mr. Freshfield's office, but I do not remember whether the copy was sent to me before or after I was examined.

EMILE FIMBEL . I am a Frenchman and have been a lithographic printer at 21, Jockey's Fields, Bedford Row, nine or ten years—I have been in this country 22 years—I knew a man named Leroy for many years, but lost sight of him for three or four years—in August last he introduced to me a Frenchman named Martin, who wanted to practise on lithographic stone—I allowed Martin to use part of my shop and got a lithographic stone for him to practise upon—on 7th February this year Martin introduced Dubois and went to Paris the same day—he said "This is the gentleman I spoke to you about in the beginning of January; I have not kept my appointment to-day; he has come to my place and I introduce him to you"—Dubois took out a piece of paper in Martin's presence—it was in French, and was headed "Old England"—I did not read it—he said, "I want it very well engraved and well printed, as it is a particular job for a firm in Paris called 'Old England'"—he said that he wanted to get up a coupon—Martin said "You leave him alone, he is a good printer; look at the specimens around the room; he could do any branch of business"—Dubois said "Very well, I shall come to morrow and bring you some

other papers and bring you the information about this work," and as he left he said "I shall be here to-morrow at 3 o'clock military time"—Martin said "I am losing this job; I have been waiting all this time to work"—6,000 or 8,000 francs was to be given to me for the work, and Martin's share was 2,000 francs, and he would lose all by going away—I did not know the nature of the work, the details had not been given to me—they left together, and about ten minutes afterwards Leroy came with a gentleman named Dubert, and I went with them to Martin's lodgings but Dubois was not there—I had some conversation with Martin, and that was the last time I saw him—Dubois came next day punctually at 8 o'clock—(he had read the paper in French to me)—he asked me if I could furnish him with a sheet of paper; I gave him this plain sheet (produced) and he took out a 5l. Bank of England note, put it on one corner of the paper, and traced a pencil round it—he then put the note higher up and traced it over again, which makes it double—he said "I want you to engrave 'Old England' at the upper part in Old English, in the same writing as it is on a Bank of England note, and make a scroll alongside the same as they do in cheque books, and write in skeleton letters along it 'Old England'"—I wrote this "Old England" in pencil across the scroll when he spoke about it—I also wrote in ink these words, that was for the water-mark—he said "Make a perforation down the centre of the scroll work"—he also said "I want this bank-note put down at the bottom," and that I was to be sure to leave room for the Director to sign his name without it going into the lower part—the line at the top of where the 5l. note was placed was simply to show me the distance, but I was not to make a line between the two documents—he wanted them in books of 25 each, with sufficient space at the end of the counterfoil to have them bound up—he said that the part I was to print was to be a fair sample of this—I said "I don't think you can do that," because I saw that it was a bank-note—he said "Oh yes, you can, we are not going to do the signature F. May, nor the numbers at the side of the note, and in that way it will not be an imitation; we shall have the name of our chief cashier, who will sign it himself"—he said that the plan was to give away the coupons over the country to persons who would buy 1000 francs' worth of goods in one month, and at any time they could go and buy some more goods and give that as money, and if there was a few shillings change they would set the change out—he wanted me to let him have 12 or 20 copies by Monday—he wanted to send the paper to Paris as a pattern of Old England—I said that it was totally impossible, I must see my engraver first, and ask him how long it would take to engrave and the price—he said "You must set your engraver to work day and night. I will leave you this 5l. note; you go and see your engraver at once, and ask him the particulars, and when it can be done and the price. Is your engraver a good workman? because I want an exact copy of these. I shall leave you the 5l. note, please give me a receipt for it," which I did—he said that the firm of Old England would open on 1st February, and he must have some to go on with a few days after the opening—he asked if I could get some Bank of England paper—I said that I should try and get it as near as I possibly could—he said he wanted the water-mark "Old England comptoir franco English, Paris," at the top, exactly the same as a Bank of England note, except the little square with the figures in it at the bottom, and he said "By

this we do not imitate this note"—the words "I promise" were to be there, and everything except the signature, the figures, and the square water-mark—the woman in this corner (Britannia) was also to be engraved—I said that I should have to go to some paper-mills; he said "How long will it take to do that?"—I said "About a month or six weeks, I cannot tell exactly;" he said "Oh, that is too long, we can't wait that time; you must see if you can't get some paper sooner than that"—I said that I would make inquiries about it—he left the papers with me—I was to see the engraver and he was to call next day at the same time—he gave his name "Wattecamp, 23, Broad Street, Golden Square," and said "That is my office"—I received this letter the same night; it is his writing. (This was translated thus: "London, 8th Feb., 1876. Mr. Fimbel. On leaving you I went to the lithographer who had been mentioned to me. He assured me that the mould of the paper could be made like the pattern without the help of the paper-maker. Mr. Martin having been recommended by an old friend, I am happy to give you the preference, but for the first proofs do not come and say to me 'I have not been able to get such paper.' It must be similar and irreproachable. I do not haggle, but be just. You have 4,000 francs profit with our house; but thirty proofs with their perforations must be ready on Monday. I have been told that this can be easily done.—Dubois Wattecamp. To-morrow at 3 o'clock without fail.") He came next day at 5 o'clock and asked what the price would be for engraving the plate—I told him ten guineas (I had sent to the engraver)—he still wanted it by Monday—I said "It is impossible, it will take the engraver ten days to do"—he said he would write to Paris and let the firm know that—he said "Can you come out in the City with me? I will show you where to get some paper"——I said "I don't think you can; it being Saturday the firms close at two "—he said "Well, will you come with me and I will show you?"—I said "I will"—before leaving he said "Give me that 5l. note back again; I cannot give you the receipt till Monday morning, because I have left my pocket-book at Broad Street, Golden Square, and I live at Chelsea; give me a piece of paper and pen and ink and I will give you a receipt to discharge you of the 5l."—he gave me this receipt (produced) and I gave him the 5l. note back, but in the mean time I had made this copy of it (produced), and had shown it to him on the Friday—I had put in the actual number of the note—he told me that Old England was a good house, and they would do a good deal of business with me, and that McClure were their printers before—he then took me to Queen Victoria Street to Mr. McClure's shop, but it was shut up—he told me to go there the first thing on Monday morning and inquire about the paper—he said that they were the printers before, but he gave me the preference, being one of his countrymen—he arranged to call on Monday between twelve and one o'clock, but he did not, and on Tuesday the 12th I received this letter from him—(This stated that he was unable to come and requested to be informed of the particulars and price)—this is my answer—(This stated that the witness had obtained a pattern of paper and enclosed an estimate for the paper, the engraving, and the printing, amounting to 14l. 5s., and requesting a deposit of 10l.)—I received this letter from the prisoner in reply—(This being translated was dated 20th February, 1878, and signed Paul Wattecamp, It requested to have a proof by the 28th, that the order would be for 10,000 copies, but that he had not yet received any money)—on Monday morning, the

11th, I communicated with the authorities of the Bank of England, after which I reported from time to time what I was doing, and acted under the orders of the police—on Monday, the 18th, Dubois called and said that he had not been able to call before, as he had not heard from the gentlemen in Paris, and was waiting for money—I showed him some samples of paper—he said that one was too blue and the other too thin; could I get it a little thicker?—I said that I would try—he requested me to get it all done by the end of the month without fail and to keep the engraver on it and not give him too much at once—that paper had no water-mark—it was arranged that I was to get some more next day—he said that as soon as he could get some money from the firm he would bring me some, as he had spent a good deal of money and wasted a lot of time—he asked me if I had heard from Martin—I said "Yes;" I had received a letter from him on 11th February—he asked me if I had answered him—I said "No"—that was true—on 25th February I went to 23, Broad Street, Soho, and saw Dubois—he asked me upstairs—it is a foreign restaurant, and he was lodging there—I showed him some other specimens of paper—he said "I think it is rather too thick; you had better keep to the first sample. If you will allow me to keep them till to-morrow I shall see them by daylight, and shall come to your place and give you an answer"—I said, "I hope I don't intrude, as you have company to dinner with you," and left them with him and went downstairs, and sat in the restaurant—Roi, who is not now on his trial, was there (that is not Leroy)—Dubois introduced me to Roi as "Mr. Fimbel, my printer"—Dubois said, "Pray take a seat," and I sat next him—there was a conversation at the table, and he said, "Have you seen your engraver about this job of Old England?"—I said, "I have"—Roi said, "Hush! don't speak so loud about your engraver"—I said, "Why did not you come to my place on Friday last, according to your appointment?"—he said, "I could not come, as this gentleman, my friend, had just arrived from Paris a few days ago, and I had to go about with him to buy goods for the firm of Old England which we could not get in France"—Roi said, "Let us talk about this matter, because it is a very serious affair; the order will be 20,000; you will have 10,000 to go on with for the first"—Dubois said, "We will come to-morrow and see you"—Roi said, "No, not to-morrow; the day after, or the day following"—those goods were bought for the Exhibition—when I left Dubois said "We shall come to your place to-morrow to see you," but he did not come—he came on 6th March, and said that he had just arrived from Paris, and had been travelling all night, and had got a very bad cold and was very poorly—he said that I was to do a great "leap" for him; the expression was "tour de force"—he asked if I had got a 5l. note—I said "No"—he asked me to get one—I said that I would try—he said that I was to manage with the engraver to do the work, as he had not a penny in the world, but should have money to-morrow—he left, and returned about 6 o'clock—I told him I had not been able to get a 5l. note, and he arranged to call next day, 7th March, which he did, and told me he had not got the money from France—he said, "There are two partners, and I am interested in the firm and must wait their pleasure"—I saw him on the 9th for a few minutes at the door and he said that he had got an Italian job, but would take it to McClure's—I saw him next on 18th March—De Jongh came with him, who I did

not know, nor was he introduced to me, but De Jongh said, "Now, Mr. Fimbel, we want you to get on with this job as quick as you can, as it has been on hand long enough"—I said, "I cannot till I get a deposit," and De Jongh put two sovereigns on the table—Dubois picked it up, and said, "This is enough to buy the plate for the engraver, and you will engrave it in five days"—I said "Yes, by working hard"—Dubois said "You need only give your engraver one sovereign, as I shall only have one sovereign this afternoon—that was not in De Jongh's presence—Dubois said "Tell your engraver we must have proofs by Friday; leave Old England out and part of the scroll, and have part of the coupon finished and return it on Saturday, and by Monday you can have it finished"—I said that that could be done to save time, only engraving the bottom part—De Jongh said "No, you must get it done by Thursday night; where does your engraver live?"—I said "372, City Road"—he said "When can we have an answer?"—I said "By 1 o'clock"—he said "That won't do, we must know before; my friend Dubois can go with you, as I cannot go myself, I have to go to the Borough Market about some eggs; give me a piece of paper and I will give you our address"—I did so, and he wrote this: "Dubois, 7, Belgrave Terrace, Peckham Park Terrace, S. E., near the Old Kent Road;" and said "It is too far for you to come, drop me a line and I will come and see you"—we then left together about 11 a.m. and left De Jongh at the corner of Gray's Inn Road, I and Dubois went to the City Road, and he said on the way "De Jongh is rather a suspicious man, that is why he came with me to pay the deposit, we are partners together"—we went on to the engraver's, and before entering Dubois said "Do not tell the engraver my name or address, it is no business of his, tell him it is for one of your customers"—I said that I would—he said that he would wait for me at the public-house, and I went into the engraver's, and afterwards went to the public-house, where Dubois said "Will you kindly give me a receipt for the 2l. I gave you?"—I tore this leaf out of my pocket-book and wrote "Received March 18, 1878, of Mr. Wattecamp, 2l. on account"—he said "When will the engraver get done?"—I said "2 o'clock on Friday"—he said "Tell him to get done about 12 o'clock"—he also said "I shall come this afternoon with 4l. more, and then we shall be able to get a 5l. note for a copy for the engraver"—in the week afterwards he showed me four sovereigns, and said that he would give me the other sovereign and we could go out and get a 5l. note—before I went out he said "Will you show me the samples of paper I returned to you"—I did so and he tore a piece like this (produced) off one comer and put it in his pocket-book, and said "Will you kindly make me a receipt for 6l. now, and I will return you the 2l. receipt?"—I drew out this receipt for 6l. and gave it to him—I went to a public-house with the five sovereigns, but they had not got a 5l. note; Dubois asked me to go to another public-house, because he said "You can speak English and I cannot"—I went and got one—I afterwards wrote on this draft in pencil the date of the fresh note—I had put down the first one in ink—he took the paper out of his pocket-book and said that it was rather thin—I said that it would swell in wetting it to get the water-mark—he said he thought it would do very nicely—I said "Do I understand that you want the little square out?"—he said "No, do the water-mark just as it is on the note"—it would not be a true water-mark, only an imitation put on by block by

means of wetting it—I asked if the engraver could keep that note as payment—he said "No, I shall want that note back again to see if he has made a true copy of it," and he took a piece of paper out of his pocket-book and put down the date of the note—he impressed me not to fail to get it done by Friday at 2 o'clock, and said that he would stop at my place and smoke in my parlour till it was done, as he wanted to send it by post to Paris—he asked me how long it would take to do 10,000 copies—I said "Perhaps four weeks to print them"—before leaving he said "If you don't fail I will reward you for it and the engraver too; I don't mind a few pounds more"—two days afterwards I heard that he was in custody.

Cross-examined by MR. STRAIGHT. I first communicated with Messrs. Freshfield on 11th February, three days after Dubois first communicated with me, including Sunday—he actually asked me to print a bank-note when I had only seen him the day before—I was not to do the signature of the cashier or the numbers, all the rest was to be identical—the performation was to be the same as in a cheque-book; but the perforation would not touch the bank-note, as it was to be in the middle of the scroll and in the middle of the words "Old England," not on the note—I had never seen Roi before, and had no conversation with him beyond what I have told you—I did not know that there was an establishment in Paris called Old England—I had never prepared coupons before for tradesmen to give to their customers.

Cross-examined by MR. COOPER-WYLD. My shop is at the corner of Lincoln's Inn Fields, with a lion and unicorn over it—on 18th March I was under the direction of the police—up to the 18th I had never seen De Jongh, and until he appeared on the scene I had received nothing—Dubois had said that he was very short of money and was going to borrow some from his friends, and on the 18th De Jongh appeared in my parlour and put down two sovereigns—he did not seem in a hurry when he came in, but when he was going away he said" I want to get to the Borough Market to buy some eggs"—he was there about twenty minutes—he saw none of the notes or plates; all he did was to put the 2l. down—he was not present at the restaurant, and nothing was said there about 5l. notes or paper—I believe De Jongh never saw these papers—I never produced them to him—I said in De Jongh's presence that I should want 6l. 10s., not 6l.

EDWARD HANCOCK (Detective). On 19th March I was at Rathbone Place watching Mr. De Leon's shop with other officers—I saw the prisoners leave and stopped them—I said "We are police officers, and I believe you have in your possession the materials for making a false Bank of England note"—De Jongh said "I have nothing in my possession"—Dubois said in French "I don't understand you, I don't speak English"—I said "We shall arrest you"—De Jongh said "Why take me, I know nothing about it?"—I said "You will have to go with us"—he said "With pleasure"—I said to Dubois "Come with me and I will explain to you; I believe you have in your possession a plate and a press, and four brass blocks, letters, and numbers"—he said "Yes, they are for Paris"—I said "What?"—he said "They are for some one in Paris"—I said "It is said they are for the purpose of making forged Bank of England notes"—he replied "They are for Paris"—he gave me the press, the stamp, and the four blocks, at the station—Sergeant Webb searched them.

Cross-examined by MR. COOPER-WYLD. De Jongh gave his correct address and I went there.

HENRY WEBB (City Detective). On 19th March I searched the prisoners at Bow Lane station—I found on Dubois this pocket-book, containing the pieces of paper which have been produced—on 21st March I went to 23, Broad Street, Golden Square, and found a portmanteau, which I opened with a key found on Dubois, and found in it some of the receipts and papers produced to-day, given to Dubois by Mr. Fimbel, and four letters in French headed 7, Belgrave Terrace, addressed to Dubois and signed by De Jongh; also this receipt in French for an advertisement in the "Journal Générale d'Affiche," of which paper I produce a copy of February 2nd. (This contained the following advertisement: "Wanted in London, a thoroughly good worker in lithography, fully understanding his work; he is to be paid 10s. a day, and is to have bed; food, and washing. Address, Mr. Dubois, 23, Broad Street, Golden Square.) I also found in the portmanteau the same advertisement cut out—I found that the address given, 7, Belgrave Terrace, was correct, but when Dubois was taken he gave his address, 6, Percy Street—he had lived there but he did not live there then—I had some conversation with Mrs. De Jongh.

Cross-examined by MR. COOPER-WYLD. Dubois is married—his wife was in France I believe—she was not at De Jongh's house that I know of—I know that De Jongh lived there, because Mrs. De Jongh told me so, and I have officers who watched the house night and day.

JOHN COE . I am principal of the Printing Department, Bank of England—all notes are printed in the bank itself—an impression from this stamp and these numbers would resemble parts of a Bank of England note—there are always five numbers this size on a Bank of England note and also a small number such as "48 A" with a letter under it—we have several series of notes with the number 39, 120, and they run upwards to 39, 200—it would be possible to stamp the words "F. May" without the word "Pimlico"—the water-mark of a bank-note is made at the mill in the manufacture of the paper—an attempt could be made to stamp a water-mark on thin paper, because it has been done, but it is a very rough imitation—our notes are printed from the surface, not from a plate but from a raised character.

Cross-examined by MR. STRAIGHT. The water-mark is not a great secret—you can introduce any mark you like into paper, but not the same mark that is put in at the Laverstoke Mills—you cannot produce Bank of England paper—it is made from special moulds, which we hope cannot be obtained elsewhere.

F. MAY. I am chief cashier of the Bank of England—a fac simile of my signature is attached to all notes—I gave no authority to any one of the prisoners to imitate my signature, or to get any letters or figures made in imitation—I signed my name once and all the others are printed.

JAMES REED . I am an English subject and reside in Paris—I am the proprietor of a large drapery establishment, at 35, Boulevard des Capucines—it is called "Old England"—I do not issue coupons like this offering to give 125 francs to persons who purchase 1,000 francs, worth of goods of me in a month—I know nothing of the prisoners—I have had printing done in England, but have never employed them—all my letters for England are written in English.

Cross-examined by MR. STRAIGHT. I do not advertise all over Paris "Old England" in large letters—I advertise in the papers—there were boards up four years ago on the urinals—I have my printing done in England because it is cheaper—I have heard that it is common to have these coupons printed—I regard it as a legitimate mode of advertising—I have no doubt that shopkeepers in Paris would be ready to accept an idea for inducing persons to come to their shops.

DUBOIS— GUILTY .— Fourteen Years' Penal Servitude .

DE JONGH received a good character.— NOT GUILTY .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-502
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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502. PAUL DUBOIS and CORNELIUS DE JONGH were again indicted, with ACHILLE ROI , for unlawfully conspiring together to forge 5.l. Bank of England notes, upon which MR. POLAND offered no evidence. NOT GUILTY

THIRD COURT.—Wednesday, May 8th, and Thursday, May 9th, 1878.

Before Mr. Recorder.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-503
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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503. JAMES ROBERT IRVIN WYNN (44), JAMES OTHNIEL WAUD , and FREDERICK CHARLES GRAVES (43) , Stealing from the Agra Bank, the masters of Wynn, 1, 600l. and two other sums. Second Count, receiving the same.

MESSRS. BESLEY and GILL conducted the Prosecution; MR. WINCH appeared for Wynn; MESSRS. GRANTHAM, Q. C., and GLYNN for Waud; and MR. M. WILLIAMS for Graves.

JOHN MORRIS . I am one of the firm of Ashurst, Morris, Crisp, and Co., of 6, Old Jewry, who are solicitors to the Agra Bank—I was sent for to the bank on 1st April between 12 and 1—Lord Cranworth, Mr. Richardson, and Mr. Duncan, directors, were present—the prisoner Wynn made a voluntary statement—I warned him that any statement that he might make must be unconditionally made—I reduced to writing what occurred the same evening, with the exception of one or two blanks which I filled in the next morning—this is the memorandum I made; it states that Mr. Wynn offered explanations as to the account between Waud and Graves and the bank, that the overdrawings were not brought to the attention of the chairman, that he had allowed the overdrawings to serve Waud and Graves, that he had spoken of them to the clerks Green, Carter, and Martin, and had induced them not to notice them, telling them it would be all right, that the over drawings had been going on for several months past, and that 1,400l. had been drawn out on 28th March, the day before Waud and Graves's stoppage, that he handed the amount to Graves at his counting-house and received cheques as if it had been paid in cash over the counter, and was afterwards entered by him, that Graves promised to give him cover, but failed to do so, and he threw himself on the mercy of the directors; that as to the previous transactions he could not identify the circumstances of each of them, but they were generally carried out in the same way, the cash being taken out at lunch time and handed to Graves at a meeting-place in Lombard Street or at Graves's own counting-house; that Waud was present at some of the overdrafts and was acquainted generally with what was going on, but did not take any active part; that as to Mr. Green he said he was sorry to compromise his fellow-clerks, but that they accepted his assurance and did not know anything was wrong, and that cheques for 500l. would be

found in the till representing money taken out by Wynn from time to time and handed to Graves—as soon as Wynn stated about taking the money out of the bank I stopped further disclosures and asked him to step into the back room—I then consulted with the directors upon the gravity of the case—after a long consultation they very reluctantly determined that it was a case they could not escape prosecuting—the directors also consulted with me as to who should be included in it—the prisoners were given into custody the same evening—the cheques were all produced and laid on the table—it was 8 o'clock before the matter was completed.

Cross-examined by MR. WINCH. When Wynn states he had no idea there was anything wrong I am disposed to give him credit—as far as I can judge he was not benefited directly or indirectly—he had a most excellent character and served the bank twenty-six years.

Cross-examined by MR. GRANTHAM. I know nothing of the relationship between Waud and Wynn and Wilton—Wynn said Graves was the active man in the business—Graves said in substance "You cannot take Waud; he knows nothing about it."

FREDERICK JOHN MARTIN . I live at Forest Hill and am ledger clerk at the Agra Bank, in Nicholas Lane—Wynn has been there during the 11 years I have been in the service—he was cashier—I produce the till-book in which Wynn enters all cheques paid over the counter—the entries on 28th March are in Wynn's writing—the first five are 346l. 18s., 293l. 15s., 269l. 18s., 316l. 12s., and 172l. 17s.—between the 346l. and 293l. 50 cheques are entered—between the 293l. and 269l. about a dozen are entered—the 269l. and 316l. are close to each other—there are other cheques entered after those—I posted these amounts in the ledger—they are drawn in Graves's writing—the cheques are taken from an ordinary book supplied to a customer—the cancellation on them indicates payment over the counter by Wynn—the directors meet on Wednesday at 12 o'clock—on Tuesday night, the 26th, there was a debit balance in the ledger of 620l. 14s. 7d., and on the morning of the 27th a payment in to credit of 630l., leaving the credit balance at the time the directors met at 9l. 5s. 5d.—that was turned into a debit balance at the end of the day of 907l. 0s. 3d., after allowing as a credit the sum of 600l. 15s. 4d.—on the 28th the debit balance was still further increased to 3, 857l. 0s. 3d., which was reduced by a credit of 898l. 14s. 6d., made up of two cheques on, I believe, Berridge and Wilton for 247l. 15s. and 650l. 19s. 6d.—the book has not been altered since—this is Messrs. Waud and Graves's pass-book from our bank—the pass-book is made up from the ledger and the entries checked off by the cheques—no customer should have any debit cheques until they are entered in the pass-book—the 58 cheques found at Graves's, I believe, were not entered in the pass-book—the account was not in credit again—a debit balance-book is kept for the information of directors—it shows when a customer overdraws—I kept that book—I have spoken to Wynn about Waud and Graves's debit—Wynn asked me not to put it in the book, because he had a credit for the amount in the ledger—that is cheques may not have come in time to get paid—I was satisfied with that explanation and omitted to put the amount in the debit balance-book—I was aware of the relationship between Wynn and Waud—I did not know anything about Wilton and Co. being the same firm as Waud and Graves.

Cross-examined by MR. WINCH. 1,300l. or 1,400l. a day has been paid in

and out of the account—1, 500l. was paid on 16th March—it appears to be 6, 500l. in the pass-book, but that is made up by Wynn—the amounts are not the same in the ledger—some dates are omitted—the account has often been overdrawn latterly—on the 5th March the overdraft was 190l.; 6th, 1, 126l.; 7th, 943l.; 8th, 828l,; 9th, 1,119l,; 11th, 1,783l,; 12th, 1,033l,; 13th, 923l,; 14th, 676l,; 15th, 1,083l,; 16th, 1,242l,; 18th, 1,444l,; 19th, 115l,; 20th, 1,212l,; 21st, 448l,; 22nd, 1, 224l,; 23rd, 1, 933l,; 25th, 2, 099l,; 26th, 1695l,; 27th, 1,907l,; 28th, 2,958l.—there is no more—the overdraft of 2,099l. on the 25th was paid on the 27th—on the 6th, when the overdraft was 1,126l, the directors met—it did not appear, because Wynn asked me not to put it in the book—Mr. Thompson, the managing director, looks at the book occasionally—he could have seen it—of the 2,099l. 1,200l. was paid by Wyon—the account now stands overdrawn 2,958l.—4,500l. has been paid out of the bank since the 27th March—of that all but two cheques for 295l. was paid by Wynn—the bank was paid 200l. on the 28th—the overdraft was then 1,907l.

Cross-examined by MR. WILLIAMS. The ledger would show the overdraft of any day—the 898l. 14s. 8d. to which an overdraft was reduced by cheques for 247l. 15s. on the Metropolitan Bank, and 650l. 18s. 6d. on the Aldgate branch of the City Bank, were both dishonoured—Mr. Arbuthnot, the secretary, is not a witness—this letter (produced) is signed by Mr. Arbuth not—the overdraft of Waud and Graves was notorious—I know from the books that interest was charged for the overdraft.

Re-examined. The Agra Bank is not a Clearing House Bank, and cheques would take 48 hours instead of 24 to clear—the debit balance on the morning of the directors' meeting was reduced, on the 13th from 1033l. to 310l., on the 19th the debit was changed from 115l. to a credit of 34l., and on the 26th it was changed to a credit of 9l. 9s. 5d.—the pass-book was kept by Wynn from the 19th February—previous to that it was written by a Mr. Forbes—from the 27th March the account was debited by 17 cheques—the five cheques making up the 1400l. were all cancelled by Wynn—of the other 12 debit cheques, all but two are cancelled by Wynn—those two represent 295l., only 95l. of which was cancelled by Carter, probably with other cheques over the counter, and 200l. was paid to the City Bank—with the exception of those two cheques the whole of the 3,957l. going out was cancelled by Wynn.

HARRINGTON GORDON FORBES . I am a clerk in the Agra Bank—I entered up this-pass book to the 18th February—I have been in the bank seven months—Wynn asked me for it, I think he said to send away—I have not seen it since till I saw it at the Mansion House—cheques are not put into the "pocket" for return till entered in the pass-book and in the ledger.

Cross-examined by MR. WINCH. The pass-book I believe corresponds with the ledger up to the 18th March—it is only made up to that date—its not being made up would affect me—I should be blamed—it would be made up when it got back to the bank.

Re-examined. We never allow a customer to take away 58 cheques without entering them in the pass-book—the entry of cheques in the ledger is the banker's statement that they have been paid to the debit of the customers, and the ledger gives an exact statement of cheques drawn and paid by the bank and returned to the customer.

ROBERT WILSON CARTER . I live at Hackney, and am a cashier in the Agra Bank—I have been employed there since 1867—it is not a Clearing House Bank—we clear through Glyn's—the latest time we send cheques to Glyn's is 3.45—we get our Bank of England notes from Glyn's—there is daily about 25,000l. of notes in the bank—about 1,000l. notes was under the control of Wynn in till No. 2—I and Mr. Green had charge of till No. 1, the general cash—it was Wynn's duty to make up on a slip of paper the contents of his till—for my balance I got from him the total figure, and copied it first on my own slip, and then in this book which is ruled in two columns, one for general, and the other for Wynn's cash—the last time Wynn wrote the figures of till No. 2 was on the 20th March—on the 21st March I got Wynn's total as 611l. 14s., 22nd 615l. 18s. 9d., 23rd 647l. 8s. 6d., 25th 563l. 13s. 11d., 26th 659l. 8s. 8s., 27th 693l. 17s. 8d., 28th 735l. 10s. 1d., 29th 639l. 0s. 9d.—the 29th was the last day Wynn was at the bank—J1 and J7 contain Wynn's figures—I saw Mr. Green take them from Wynn's drawer on Saturday, March 30th—these figures tally with my entries, except that I wrote 17s. 8d. instead of 19s. 8d. and represented the contents of till No. 2 on those days—when the contents of the till was counted I found cheques marked C1 to C4—the amount of moneys was 139l. 0s. 9d.—there was no 500l.—C3 and C4 have not been cancelled—C3 is taken from a cheque-book kept at the bank for the use of customers commencing No. 247, 381—it is the second cheque—the cheque of 26th March for 150l. is taken from the cheque-book of Waud and Graves—it is in Graves's writing, and there are two small crosses on the counterfoil—looking at this book, in Graves's writing, I find two little crosses and 150l. carried out as a total on 26th March; and on 12th March the same little crosses and 100l. carried out, corresponding with the amount of the other cheque—I have several times spoken to Wynn about the unsatisfactory state of Waud and Graves's account—within three or four months of his leaving my attention was directed to it—Wynn's reply was generally that there had been a lock up of capital in machinery, and that the overdraft would probably be put right in a few days, possibly hours—on 25th March I noticed a very heavy overdraft, and told Wynn it was very wrong, and could not possibly be allowed, and I should have to represent the matter to the chairman—he assured me in the most solemn manner that the account was right or would be right—that was three or four days before the account was in credit 9l. 9s. 5d.—on seeing the 9l. 9s. 5d. credit I said to Wynn I was very glad that the account had been set right and hoped it would be kept right—about three or four days before this credit Wynn said "Carter, we have worked together for 25 years, have I ever deceived you in any way?"—I said "No, certainly not"—he said "I swear to you, before my Maker, that this account is right; I test it in every way, I know the whole ins and outs of it, and the thing cannot go wrong"—he then said "Would you mind advancing 1,000l. to Waud and Graves on the faith of what I tell you?"—I said I did not feel justified in doing it, it was a large sum of money for me to part with—he said Graves was coming to speak to me about it—I said "How comes it that Graves knows anything of my private matters?"—he said "I told him"—I saw Graves alone immediately after in the street outside the bank, and he renewed the application—Graves said "Waud and Graves are temporarily pressed for money, could you oblige me with the loan of 1,000l.?"—I

said that I could not, because what money I had had came from my wife and I could not deal with it without her consent, and there the matter dropped—Waud very rarely came to the bank, and very few cheques are in his name—after the credit of 9l. more than 4,000l. has been drawn out in cheques cancelled by Wynn, except two cheques of my cancellation, one for 95l. and one for 200l.—I was not aware I had cancelled the 95l. till I saw it at the Mansion House—I showed the 200l. cheque to Wynn before I paid it—we do not refer to the ledger on paying cheques except in rare cases—I was not aware of the 1,400l. in banknotes being taken out of the bank by Wynn on March 28th, nor of Wynn's taking notes away at any time—I never heard of it till Wynn's statement on 1st April—I did not know that Wynn was not coming to the bank on 30th March—I walked with Wynn to the railway station on Thursday, the 28th, when he told me he had been disappointed of cover from Waud and Graves, and the amount was overdrawn, but I do not think the amount was mentioned—he said there was some fear about it—that was the first I heard of any danger—he mentioned there had been a connection with a Mr. Wilton which had led to Waud and Graves's proper moneys being taken from the account—I had then no idea of a partnership with Wynn and Wilton, but thought Wynn referred to advances from one firm to another—the credit in the ledger on the 27th March of 600l. 15s. 4d. was made up of three cheques, one on the Metropolitan Bank for 248l. 18s., two on the National Provincial Bank for 100l. and 251l. 17s. 4d.—they were paid—on 28th March, amongst other notes from Glyn's, we got 20,200l. Bank of England notes they included the numbers 62342 and '3—they are on Wynn's slip, only the 3 is accidentally transposed with the 2—we also received from Glyn's 25 50l. notes, including No. 38203—these two papers L and L 1 show the numbers of the notes that make up the 1, 440l.—on the 27th we received from Glyn's a 500l. note, No. 28121—the 50l. note, No. 38206, and two 200l. notes, Nos. 63242 and '3, are in Wynn's writing—Nos. 38206 and 63243 were amongst consecutive numbers of notes received from Glyn's—those are set against the cheque for 364l. 18s.—against another cheque for 293l. 15s., No. 62164, a 200l. note, is set—the remaining 93l. 15s. was paid in gold—the next cheques are for 269l. 18s., 316l. 12s., and 172l. 17s., against which is entered a 500l. note, No. 28121, a 200l. note, No. 62163, and a 50l. note, No. 38203, and 9l. 7s. cash—the numbers on the paper L1 correspond with those numbers—I got this letter and Wynn's keys from Wynn jointly with Mr. Green on the Saturday, 30th March, it is dated 31st by mistake: "My dear Green and Carter,—I find matters are quite without hope. They must stop. Enclosed you will find my keys. I am quite beside myself. Forgive me. Yours truly, J. R. I. Wynn." I did not see Wynn after that.

Cross-examined by MR. WINCH. I have no reason to doubt, excluding the 29th, that the slips accurately represent what was in the till on each day—no one counted it—the last slip represents 639l. 0s. 9d.—I found 139l. 0s. 9d. in cash and 500l. in cheques—Wynn has neglected entering the last few days in a book—Wynn has not misrepresented anything so far as the till goes—I had not visited at Wynn's house—he has been to mine once—we were intimate—Wynn had not extravagant habits—his income at the bank was 310l. a year—there are overdrafts on the account at the bank, but not to so large an amount as 100,000l., or as Waud and Graves's overdraft—overdrafts must be sanctioned by the chairman

—Wynn was entrusted to bring 20,000l. or 30,000l. of notes from Glyn's of a day.

Cross-examined by MR. WILLIAMS. Wynn sometimes made entries in customers' pass-books, but not often, and when he did it was in the daytime, when he had not his cashier's business to attend to—I knew Waud and Graves were rather pressed for money—Graves said he expected remittances from Milan.

Re-examined. I have never put uncancelled cheques in place of notes in my till—when I said Wynn's slip was correct I meant as regards figures—we could not treat uncancelled cheques as notes—the 500l. ought to have been gold, no notes should have been in No. 2 till—we never return cheques to customers unless they are entered in the pass-book.

JOHN GREEN . I live at Stoke Newington and am chief cashier at the Agra Bank—I called Wynn's attention to an overdraft in Waud and Graves's account of 600l. or 700l. some months back, about Christmas—he said he had cheques to cover the whole amount and showed me a slip with cheques attached—that has happened on one or two occasions—I was satisfied with Wynn's explanation and did not report it to Mr. Thompson—we do not allow overdrafts without Mr. Thompson's permission—I tested the contents of the till on 31st December—No. 2 should be all coins—it was quite right on 31st December—I do not know of an instance of moneys being given for a customer's uncancelled cheque without entries—there is no entry in the bank-book of these four cheques for 500l.

Cross-examined by MR. WILLIAMS. The till might have been counted at any time.

JAMES THOMPSON . I have been chairman and managing director of the Agra Bank since the year 1867—I remain at the bank during business hours—I was referred to in case of an overdraft—that occurred almost daily—I have no recollection of Wynn ever asking permission to make advances to Waud and Graves—he borrowed 350l., for which securities were deposited, and the 350l. was carried to Waud and Graves's current account—the loan account has remained since October, 1877—I produce a list of overdrafts of Waud and Graves at the director's meetings—I was never applied to between October and 28th March for permission to overdraw—I also produce a tabular statement of the days and amounts in 1877-78, when Waud and Graves's account was in credit the evening before the directors met, the last being February 12th 50l. 14s. 6d.—the next credit is 9l. 9s. 5d.—Waud and Graves have had an account about 10 years—I was not aware of any connection between them and Wilton and Co.—there was nothing that attracted my attention to the account till a letter of 30th March—it is the head accountant's duty to call my attention to any overdraft—either Green, Carter, or Wynn should have done so—neither of them had authority to allow an overdraft—Wynn brought me a letter on 30th March about 2 p.m.—(This stated that, having done what he should not have done to assist Waud and Graves, he tendered his resignation)—it is written on paper which has Waud and Graves's lithographed heading—I told him to come on Monday and I would talk to him on the subject—I have no recollection of receiving this letter—it is Wynn's writing—(This letter was found on the prisoner, and was on paper with the same lithographed heading, and stated: "I feel quite powerless to do anything; would it not be better for me to come on Monday,

1st April? Yours without hope, J. R. I Wynn.") He did not come on Monday—I believe he attended before some of my colleagues—I had no knowledge of the four uncancelled cheques for 500l. until they were found in the till—I never knew a clerk giving out or cancelling cheques, or putting them in the drawer, or taking away notes—Mr. Arbuthnot's letter of 30th March was written by my sanction when it was found the cheques for 247l. 15s. and 650l. 19s. 6d. were not paid. (This letter informed Waud and Graves that payment of these cheques had been refused.)

Cross-examined by MR. WINCH. Waud and Graves have overdrawn on other days than those when the directors met—I was not then aware of it—the debit balance is now made up daily; it was not—the ledger would show an overdraft wherever there was one—it is impossible for me to go through every account myself—clerks are kept to do that in whom we have confidence—interest is charged on overdrafts when they are sanctioned.

Cross-examined by MR. WILLIAMS. Waud and Graves are not our largest customers; they are small customers—I cannot state their turn-over nor their weekly draft for wages.

Re-examined. I treated the 500l. and the 1,400l. being taken away as a rubbery on the bank—the interest is 5 per cent. on overdrafts charged for any day the account is overdrawn at the end of the year.

ALFRED LOVE . I produce the proceedings in the Court of Bankruptcy on the petition of Waud and Graves of 25th April.

WILLIAM NICHOLLS . I am a clerk in the accountant's office at the Bank of England—I produce seven Bank of England notes of the aggregate value of 1,400l., Nos. 28121 (500l.), 62163-4 and 62342-3 (four of 200l.), and 38203 and 38206 (two of 50l.)—they are cancelled.

JOHN SELLERS . I am one of the firm of Reynolds and Sellers, of 2, Fen Court, Fenchurch Street, colonial brokers—these cheques marked "P 1" and "P 2" were drawn upon the National Provincial Bank of England on 27th March, about 3 p.m., in favour of Frank Wilton or bearer for 251l. 17s. 4d. and 100l. by our firm—they represent a loan to Wilton and Co.—I did not know of Wilton's connection with Waud and Graves—the next day I received three Bank of England notes for 50l. and one for 200l., and paid them into the National Provincial Bank of England to our account.

JOHN LEWIS . I am head ledger-keeper at the National Provincial Bank—Reynolds and Sellers have an account there—on 28th March I received two 50l. notes, Nos. 28203 and 28206, and a 200l. note, No. 62343—two cheques, "P 1" and "P 2", of the same customers were cleared through Glyn's on 28th March.

Cross-examined by MR. WINCH. We do not allow overdrafts without the permission of the manager—he looks at the ledger from time to time—if he suspected an overdraft he would look at once.

PERCY CHIPPER . I am a clerk in the head office of the City Bank—on 28th March Messrs. Dale and Stubbs, of 23, Great St. Helens, oil and turpentine brokers, had an account at our bank—on that day two Bank of England notes for 200l., Nos. 2164 and 21342, were paid in to their credit, and this cheque for 400l. was drawn by them in favour of Frank Wilton and Co., dated 26th March, and cleared through Glyn's—the notes came in before the cheque was paid.

ALEXANDER JOSEPH HOOKEY . I am a clerk in the Aldgate branch of

the City Bank—P. Wilton and Co. had an account at our bank—on 28th March a credit payment was made of 700l. by a 500l. note, No. 28121, and a 200l. note, No. 62163—those notes were produced at the Mansion House—I do not know Wilton and Co.

WILLIAM DUNCAN . I have been a director of the Agra Bank only a short time—I was present when Wynn made a statement.

JOHN GREEN (Re-examined). This letter is in Graves's writing. (This was addressed to Mr. Green and declined an interview, stating that Waud and Graves's books were in the hands of an accountant, that a statement would be made and submitted to a meeting of creditors, that neither Wynn nor any clerk of the bank profited by honouring Waud and Graves's cheques, and that the firm believed up to the last that they would be able to meet their engagements.)

WILLIAM FLUISTER (City Detective). On 1st April I was Sent for to go to the Agra Bank—I got there about 4.30, when Wynn was given into my custody by Mr. Morris—he was charged with stealing 1,400l., moneys of the Agra Bank—on the way to the station he Said "I ought not to be here; they have left me like a stranded ship"—I searched him at the station and found the letters marked "D" and "E". (These were letters from Wynn, one stating that he would come to the bank on 1st of April, the other being addressed "My dear friends," and containing the passage, "If you can see the position you have placed me in, nothing but the Mansion House, unless I receive the forgiveness of the board. Can nothing be done to prevent this great calamity falling on me? Look at my position in the east of London. Carter very anxious. With respect to Wilton's cheque, what am I to do? Where shall I be?" and was addressed from Crown Court, Milton Street, 30th March, 1878.) I went to Crown Court the same evening and took Waud and Graves into custody—Graves said, on going downstairs, "I did not think the bank would take this action"—I and Gilbert took them to the station—I found this pass-book in a desk, the key of which I got from Graves—these fifty-eight cheques, marked "F", were in the pass-book—I also found this memorandum book, marked "G", and a diary, a press copy of a letter in Graves's writing, these articles of partnership between Frank Wilton and Waud and Graves in relation to a "Tourist's Guide" and a "Trade Gazette." and a press copy of two letters, one signed by Waud and the other by Waud and Graves. (The one by the firm was dated 24th January, 1878, and addressed to Mr. F. Wilton, of 66, Mark Lane, and stated that, owing to the serious position of political affairs. Waud and Graves had decided to stop all business connected with the Continent, and gave Mr. Wilton notice under their articles of partnership to abstain from the purchase of goods. The one signed by Waud was dated 22nd March, 1874, addressed to F. Wilton, and stated that Waud and Graves thought it desirable to stop all business transactions without their sanction) I also found this inventory of furniture of Cambridge House, Croydon, and this note: "Devonshire Square, London. Can I come in? How are matters? Send a reply by bearer. J. W." There is no date on it—I also found books connected with Wilton and Co.—they are not here.

JAMES THOMPSON (Re-examined). We have asked for a statement in Waud and Graves's bankruptcy, which we have entered. We have not nominated a trustee. We intend to prove.

The Prisoners received good characters. NOT GUILTY .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-504
VerdictsNot Guilty > no evidence

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504. JAMES ROBERT IRVIN WYNN , JAMES OTHNIEL WAUD ,and FREDERICK CHARLES GRAVES were again indicted for stealing 100l., the property of the Agra Bank, and conspiring with other persons to defraud the Agra Bank, upon which no evidence was offered. NOT GUILTY .

FOURTH COURT.—Wednesday, May 8th, 1878.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-505
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment

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505. WILLIAM CURTIS (34) and JOHN MATTHEWS (21) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Charles Boutinorr with intent to steal.

MR. A. B. KELLY conducted the Prosecution; MR. FRITH appeared for Curtis, and MR. DAVIS for Matthews.

CHARLES BOUTINORR (Through an Interpreter). I am a hairdresser, of 13, Princes Street—I occupy the whole of the place, except the shop and the back parlour—I sleep on the first-floor back—I went to bed at ten o'clock on the night of 27th March at about eight o'clock—Curtis came to apply for a lodging—I had one room—he looked in drink, and I said very roughly, "No, I have not a room"—this all took place in English—he went away—about 2 a.m. I was alarmed by a noise, got up five minutes after, went downstairs and lit the gas on the staircase, where I saw the two prisoners—I looked, and the passage door leading into the back parlour was shut—I asked them what they wanted?—they were standing close together, and I think it was Curtis said "I beg pardon, I have made a mistake"—I had a sword in my hand—Matthews was at the back of Curtis—he moved a little and I saw a chisel stuck in the door—I called "Police"—one or two minutes afterwards Victor Ouverie came downstairs while the prisoners were still in the passage—the police came and took them and found a jemmy, a chisel, a piece of candle, and a few keys on the mats.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. I have one young man and another young man (Victor Ouverie) and his wife living in my house—two ladies came in after I went to bed on the night in question—one is here—the one that is not here had a latch-key—I did not hear the prisoners say that they had come there after two Frenchwomen.

Cross-examined by MR. DAVIS. The rent of my house is 90l. a year—there are a shop and back parlour on the ground floor—no one sleeps there or on the basement—I and my wife sleep on the first floor—the front room is for my business and the back I occupy—Ouverie and his wife sleep on the second floor—the back room on that floor is not let—he has another room on the third floor which he uses as a kitchen—a young man in the City occupied the back room second floor—that room is sometimes let for short periods but not for a night—I let my rooms by the week—I swear that women are not allowed to occupy any of those rooms with men—I have had a good many Frenchwomen living in the house but not now—I had two loose women in my house four or five months ago—Mons. Ouverie has a latch-key, and his wife, also another lodger in the back room third floor—it would not be possible for my lodgers to let any one in after I had gone to bed without my knowing it, for even if a cat runs upstairs I am awoke by it—I am always awakened by my lodgers—in the evening, at 10.30, I heard Mr. Alexander, who lives in the third-floor back, go up, but nobody else—I did

not hear Ouverie come in—I was asleep—the gas is not always burning on the staircase—I lit it when I got up—I have been in England ten years next August—I did not hear anybody go out after I was in bed—the street door was quite shut—my habit is when the last lodger comes in to get up and go down and tell him to put the bolt, but that night not hearing Monsieur Ouverie come in I did not do so—it is 2 1/2 yards from the staircase to the passage door and about 3 yards from the bottom of the staircase to the back parlour.

Re-examined. I give one key to every lodger—I do not give them a chisel to open the door—the chisel I found sticking in the door was not mine.

VICTOR OUVERIE (Through an Interpreter). I live at 13, Princes Street—I have a front room third-floor and Madame has a room on the second floor—we have separate rooms—I got home at 1 a.m. on the morning of 28th March—I locked the door as it cannot be put to otherwise than with the key—about half an hour after I had gone to bed I heard cries of "Police! help!"—I went down and saw Boutinorr with a sword in one hand and holding Curtis with the other—I saw both prisoners there, and a pair of pinchers and two separate keys on the floor, and, I think, a bunch of keys near the staircase—I saw the inspector pick up the pinchers after the prisoners were in custody.

Cross-examined by MR. DAVIS. There is one lodger in the back room—I have two rooms in the house and pay 1l. a week—I cannot say what time my wife came in that night—I was at the London Pavilion—I have been there about two months—there is no female there—I believe the lodger is a bachelor—I do not know of his bringing in any female—I believe the bedroom at the back of mine is a single man's room; I never saw it—the lodger is in the habit of going out early in the morning and coming home late at night—I don't speak to him—when I left the London Pavilion I accompanied a friend up Waterloo Road and then went home—I keep my latch-key in my overcoat which I have not here—it is a very small key—I did not notice anything particular about the door or passage when I came home—I heard no one come home after I got to bed—Boutinorr never came out to speak to me when I have been going upstairs—sometimes he has asked "Is it you?"—I do not go out very often—after I had locked the door inside it could still be opened on the outside with a key.

HENRY LONG . I occupy the shop and back parlour at 13, Princes Street—I left there about 9 o'clock p.m. on 27th March—I do not sleep there—I am a watchmaker and jeweller—I locked up securely on leaving—when I arrived next morning I found there had been an attempt made to open the parlour door—a chisel was in the panel as if to force the lock back, and the framework cut away.

ALFRED PARKER (Policeman C 49). On 28th March, about 1.55 a.m., in consequence of cries I heard at 13, Princes Street, I knocked at the door—it was opened and I found five men in the passage—two of them were the prisoners—I asked them what had brought them there—they said they had come after two French women who lived upstairs—I got assistance and took them to the station, leaving Inspector Turpin there.

Cross-examined by MR. DAVIS. I have been in the force rather over three months—I said to the prisoners "Halloo! what's up here?"—Curtis said they had come after two French women, and nodded his head, indicating upstairs.

NEWMAN TURPIN (Police Inspector C). I went to 13, Princes Street at about 2 a.m. on March 28th, and found the prisoners in the passage in Parker's custody—I searched the house, and in the side door of the jeweller's shop (the back parlour) I found this chisel sticking—it was between the framework of the door and the door-post, close to the lock—pieces of framework were broken off the door, evidently where the chisel had been placed in different parts to endeavour to prise it open—the marks on the door corresponded with the chisel—several other constables arrived and I sent them on to the station with the prisoners—I remained and searched the place—in the passage, just where Matthews had been standing, I found these two keys, they have both been filed—they are what are known as skeleton keys—I found the keys attached afterwards—I also found this jemmy where Matthews was standing, and this piece of candle, and two or three broken lucifers—spots of grease were dropped about by the door they had been trying to get open—that is all I found at that time—there were no marks on the hall door—I examined the lock of the door—it may look very secure to some persons, but it is not—I went to the station, searched the prisoners, and found these three skeleton keys in Curtis's waistcoat pocket—they refused their address—I then went back to the house, and under the edge of the mat on which Matthews had been standing I found this skeleton key, which opened the street door easily and readily—next morning I found out where Curtis lived, and searched and found this bunch of keys in a box under the bed—some of them are filed and some are block keys ready for filing—some of them are latch keys—I also found this small hand-vice to hold keys to file them, and a number of small keys.

Cross-examined by MR. DAVIS. I always take particular notice of where a man is standing when I take him in custody, and I can swear to the spots where the prisoners were standing—a watch and ordinary things were found on Matthews—they are in this parcel (produced)—I have been 15 years in the force—I have taken men into custody from a brothel—they generally object to giving their address.

GUILTY . CURTIS was further charged with having been convicted of felony in May, 1876, at Clerkenwell, to which he PLEADED GUILTY.**— Seven Years' Penal Servitude . MATTHEWS— Twelve Months' Imprisonment .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-506
VerdictNot Guilty > directed

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MR. TAMPLIN conducted the Prosecution; and MR. A. B. KELLY the Defence.

The Prosecution being unable to prove the Prisoner's knowledge that his first wife was living, the COURT directed a verdict of NOT GUILTY .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-507
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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507. RICHARD DAVID TURNBULL (32) was again indicted for marrying Eliza Mary Dore during the life of Elizabeth his wife.

ELIZA CRUIKSHANK . I am the wife of Anthony Cruikshank, of 3, Flinton Street, Surrey Square, Old Kent Road, and am the prosecutrix's sister—I saw Elizabeth Marsh, the prisoner's wife, about 18 years ago.

JOSEPH EDWARD TURNBULL . I am a pianoforte maker, of 42, Ossulston Street, Euston Road—the prisoner is my brother—I am aware that he married Elizabeth Marsh in 1859—I was not present at the marriage—she passed as Elizabeth Turnbull at my father's residence—I last saw

them together in 1860—I have seen Elizabeth Marsh to-day, and on two or three other occasions—in 1860 there was a disturbance between my father and mother and brother, and Elizabeth, my brother's wife, relative to my brother's age—Elizabeth told my father and mother that they both ought to be ashamed of themselves for allowing them to cohabit together, when she found out my brother's age, he having previously given his age as 19, and stated that his father married before he was 19—she then left my brother in disgust—the prisoner then lived at 65, Vauxhall Bridge Road—at the end of November, 1861, his wife's clothes were taken to my sister's, Mrs. Cruikshank's, house, from 65, Vauxhall Bridge Road—Elizabeth had them from my sister—I saw Elizabeth twice after that; some two years afterwards at my father's house—she went to complain to my father and mother that they had sent my brother to assert his right as a husband to strip her of every shilling's worth of property, she having established herself in business as a milliner—after 1863 I used to see my brother frequently at 266, Euston Road—my father had taken the house for him, and erected a studio there—my father paid 104l. a year rent for him, and my father had part of the house as a fried-fish shop—I believe I saw my brother in 1866 before he went to the Isle of Wight—I did not see Elizabeth in 1866—the prisoner used sometimes to say he had seen Lizzie—I knew she was not dead—in 1866 I think the prisoner went to the Isle of Wight—the first time I saw him afterwards was at 435, Bethnal Green Road—that was in 1871—I saw him on another occasion at my mother's, and he asked me to go to 9, Belgrave Street, Euston Road, to ask for some negatives, and to ask for Mrs. Turnbull—not knowing whether it was another Mrs. Turnbull or anybody else, I asked for Mrs. Turnbull, and saw a child about 16 years old—he told me when I took him the negatives, that he had brought that little thing away from Birkenhead, where he had been employed by Mr. Lancaster at five guineas a week, and had decoyed away the daughter—at this time he did not speak of Elizabeth as he used to—I knew she was alive—she used frequently to go down and see mother and father—I do not know whether the prisoner met her after 1866.

JAMES TURNBULL . I am the prisoner's father—(Elizabeth Turnbull was here called in)—that is the lady who I knew as Mrs. Turnbull, my son's wife, and formerly, in 1859, as Elizabeth Marsh—I was not present at my son's marriage in 1859—she lived in my house before the marriage—I do not know whether she went as Mrs. Blenkiron in my house—my daughter mentioned to me that her name was Blenkiron—I cannot say whether it was before or after the marriage that I heard the name of Blenkiron—I wrote to Mr. Blenkiron to know whether she was his wife and I wrote to the Bishop of London, and the reply I had was that it should be inquired into—I have suffered a great loss and my memory fails me—I cannot tell the reason why my son and his wife separated—when I found out that they were married I asked how she could get married when my son was so young—that was about the same time that I heard the name Blenkiron.

WILLIAM FRANCIS (Policeman 50 T). I arrested the prisoner on 18th April, at 33, Upham Park Road, Turnham Green—I visited the parish church of St. James's, Paddington, and compared this certificate with the original register and it is correct. (This certified a marriage on 24th April, 1859, between Richard David Turnbull, a minor, and Elizabeth

Marsh, of full age, spinster.) I also went to the registry office at Plymouth and obtained certificate of the prisoner's marriage with Eliza Mary Dore (read), dated 6th April, 1867.

ELIZA MARY DORE . (MR. KELLY submitted that if, as he contended, the marriage of 1859 was not sufficiently made out, the present witness might be the prisoner's lawful wife, and, therefore, her evidence would not be admissible. The COURT considered that the question of identity of Elizabeth Turnbull by the prisoner's father was a matter for the Jury to determine and received the evidence.) I made the prisoner's acquaintance at Plymouth at my brother-in-law's place 11 years ago—he represented himself as single and proposed marriage to me after two or three months' courtship—we were married at the Registry Office in Plymouth in 1867—this is a correct copy of the certificate.

Cross-examined. I was engaged in my brother's reception-room at Plymouth—I lived there eight years—the week after the prisoner came to Plymouth a woman joined him—I said at the police-court "I first made the prisoner's acquaintance at Plymouth—prisoner came there with a woman who he described as his housekeeper"—that was the week after they lived together—I knew that—about seven years ago a woman came to me at the East End of London who called herself Emma Pleasant—I am sure he represented himself as a single man—he asked my brother's consent—Emma Pleasant did not show me a certificate of marriage before I was married—I did not think that that person who lived with the prisoner down at Plymouth was his wife—I did not know that they cohabited together because the prisoner told me different—I had my suspicions, but it seems he has talked to every one and told different tales.

Re-examined. I am quite sure the prisoner came to Plymouth alone and remained so for the first week—upon my own marriage the housekeeper disappeared—I never knew her name—she was the same woman who called on me seven years ago, and I heard then that she was the prisoner's wife—she is here to-day.

GUILTY . He was also charged with a former conviction for larceny, to which he PLEADED GUILTY.— Twelve Months' Imprisonment .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-508
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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Reference Numbert18780506-509
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OLD COURT.—Thursday, May 9th, 1878.

Before Mr. Justice Grove.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-510
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510. FREDERICK DAUMAS (32) , Feloniously shooting at Magnus Walser, with intent to murder. Second Count—With intent to do grievous bodily harm.

MR. STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution.

MAGNUS WALSER . I am a waiter at a restaurant kept by Mr. Hall, at 316, Edgware Road—on Thursday, 21st February, I was there—the prisoner had been in the service as cook down to the preceding Tuesday,

when he left—about 9 o'clock on the Thursday evening he came into the shop and said "Good evening"—I said the same to him—he sat down at a table and asked for a bottle of lemonade; he put down a two-shilling piece, I gave him 1s. 8d. change—he said "I gave you a half-crown"—I took my money out of my pocket and showed him that there was no half-crown there—he said "Never mind, I don't want to see your money," and he put the change I had given him into his pocket—Miss Clegg came in shortly afterwards for a cup of chocolate, and shortly after a gentleman came in for one—I then sat down at a table in front of the prisoner—I was called to get some sugar for one of the customers, and as I was getting up to get it I noticed the prisoner doing something with his right hand to his left sleeve, and while he was doing it he said "Well, you are very glad I have got to leave the place; I will make you leave, but in another way"—I said "If any one wants to find something against another he will soon find something"—I then took the sugar to the customer, came back to the table, sat down again, and said "I am very sorry you had to leave the place"—he said "You have insulted me"—I said I had never spoken against him—he said "I told the master that the mistress had too much confidence in you, and if you did not leave I should, you had too much play together and kept the customers waiting"—I got a little cross and said it was not true, and I looked over the table at him—he took a pistol out of his left sleeve and pointed it at my face—I was sitting about 2 feet from him; he fired it at once; I put my hand up and caught the bullet in my hand—I ran into the back room or kitchen and he ran after me and fired again; he was then about 7 or 8 feet from me; that bullet did not touch me, it struck the wall about a foot and a half from me—I went into the kitchen and looked through the hole where we pass the dishes, and he pointed at me again—I moved my head back and then I looked back and he shot himself in his own forehead—I saw him fall down and I ran out of the kitchen over him and went and got a policeman and fetched a doctor, who came and took the bullet out of my hand—I had nothing to do with the prisoner leaving the place.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not see how you held the revolver on the first, occasion, I only saw that you held it in my face and shot; you pointed it straight on—I found the bullet that struck the wall and gave it to the doctor.

ELLEN KIRBY . I live in Little North Street, Edgware Road—I was in Mr. Hall's restaurant the day this took place—I saw the prisoner and the prosecutor sitting at a table—they were talking loudly in French—I saw the prisoner point a pistol in Walser's face and fire directly—I was alarmed and went out at once—he pointed it straight in his face.

CARLOTTA CLEGG . I live at 27, Paddington Green—I was in the restaurant taking some refreshment in the second-dining room—I heard the sound of firearms from the first dining-room and saw the prosecutor run into the room where I was, followed by the prisoner with a revolver in his hand like this (produced); he raised it at the prosecutor and fired straight at him, and he then placed it to his own forehead and fired—he fell—I was alarmed and went out.

Cross-examined. You were in the centre of the room when you fired—you moved a step or two back when you shot yourself.

JOHN HALL . I am the proprietor of this restaurant—I discharged the

prisoner on the Tuesday preceding this occurrence; he had been with me about two months—it was not through any suggestion or information of the prosecutor that I discharged him—I sent him away because I could not afford to give him the amount of money.

Cross-examined. On the Sunday before you told me that either the prosecutor must go or else you would go—I did not say that I had given the prosecutor notice three times but could not get rid of him—I never gave him notice.

MICHAEL HUBBARD . I am assistant to Mr. Green, gun-maker, 68, Hay market—on Thursday evening, 21st February, about 6.30, the prisoner came and said he wanted a revolver—I showed him one at two guineas, he said it was too dear—I then showed him the one produced, and asked him a guinea for it; he then said he wanted some cartridges, and I gave him this box of cartridges—the pistol fits into the box—they came to 1l. 4s. 6d. altogether.

THOMAS KEMPTON (Policeman 170 X). On the evening of 21st February I was called to this restaurant—I there found the prisoner lying flat on his back with this revolver lying by his right side, his head was lying close to the door leading out of the second dining-room; he had a wound in his forehead—I got a cab and took him to St. Mary's Hospital—he there made one or two statements, but I thought he was not conscious—I found a bullet in his pocket.

JOHN MEASURES (Police Inspector D). Kimpton handed me this revolver—I found four chambers loaded and three recently discharged—I afterwards went to the prisoner's lodging, 99, Earl Street, and there found this box containing about 85 Cartridges.

WILLIAM THORNE , M. D., 87, Harrow Road. On the evening of 21st February the prosecutor came to me—I found that a bullet had entered the fleshy part of his thumb—I extracted it and produce it; the bone had stopped it—I have a second bullet which the prosecutor brought me next day; it was picked up in the shop—the two are from the same mould, but the one in the thumb was flattened—it gave great trouble to get it out, it was a painful operation; I had to remove it by forceps, to pull it out by main force, it had lodged underneath the joint—he had to keep his arm in a sling for some days, and I gave him soothing medicines—the wound was in a nasty place, likely to produce lockjaw—he is quite well now.

Cross-examined. I don't know that I could tell from the nature of the wound in what position the pistol was held—the prosecutor must have held his hand up and the bullet went in from above downwards—it is his left hand—I should think he was trying to protect his face—the rebound of a bullet from the wall could not have done it.

THOMAS MAUNDERS . I was house-surgeon at St. Mary's Hospital on 21st February—the prisoner was brought there before 9 o'clock that evening—he had a bullet wound in the centre of his forehead, the skull was fractured, there was a great deal of bleeding, the bullet had gone through the air-cells of the forehead right into the centre of the skull, and every time he coughed the blood came bubbling up from the wound; the bullet is now lodging in the inner wall of the frontal sinus—he was in a very critical state for a fortnight, not expected to live—he remained in my care six weeks until his examination before the Magistrate—he is now comparatively well—a bullet in the head is by no means likely to

improve his condition, but as long as he keeps from excess in drinking it will do no harm—it will render him very liable to brain affection—may I state anything about the mental condition of the prisoner, as he has no counsel?—I knew nothing of him previously, but we constantly have cases of persons shooting themselves who suffer from the same symptoms, depression, and which have been brought in as temporary insanity—he was continually under my observation; three, four, or five times a day; when he first came in he appeared profoundly depressed; he would not answer for the first few hours; when he did he answered rationally, but immediately relapsed and took no notice of anything; his answers were very incoherent—for the first three or four days he was suffering more from mental affection than from the wound—he afterwards said that he was very sorry for what had occurred, it was a foolish act.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "The first witness who saw me fire the first shot did not see me point the pistol. I have known Mr. Hall for the last three years. I worked with him for one year. He was manager in an establishment where I was cook, and we were on very good terms together, and he said, 'When I establish myself I shall take you as cook.' But when he established himself he could not find me. I went to his place and he engaged me. I remained with him till he discharged me. He was very well pleased with me. He went away generally in the morning and left the place in my charge. The prosecutor talked about the landlady being a friend of his. The boy told me that the waiter had taken coffee into the landlady's room in the morning and remained there a quarter of an hour, and often saw him come downstairs from the bedroom. I have seen him neglect customers. I went there to speak to him about something which I had not mentioned. He said when cooks did not do their business, it was his duty to discharge them. I made an observation and he knocked me down."

JOHN HALL (Re-examined). I knew the prisoner for two or three years four or five years back when I was manager in Windmill Street—I never observed anything peculiar about his state of mind—I think he was quite right, the same as anybody else, and capable of knowing right from wrong—he was sensible of knowing what he was doing.

The Prisoner in his defence, through the interpreter, stated that he had purchased the revolver, not intending to use it, but for protection, as the prosecuter had ill-treated the cook who preceded him; that the prosecutor looked at him in a threatening manner, and being afraid he would strike him, he took out the revolver, which struck the table and went off, and the ball went upwards, and that when the prosecutor ran away and cried out he forgot himself, and placed the pistol to his own forehead.

MAGNUS WALSER (Re-examined). I have never ill-treated the prisoner or had any quarrel with him—there has been no flirtation between me and the mistress—it is not true that I ill-treated the previous cook.

GUILTY on the First Count. Ten Years' Penal Servitude .

NEW COURT.—Thursday, May 9th, 1878.

Before Baron Pollock.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-511
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Miscellaneous > fine

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FOURTH COURT.—Thursday, May 9th, 1878.

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6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-512
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512. JOHN ROGERS JOHNSTON (40) , Feloniously forging and uttering an order for the payment of money with intent to defraud.

MR. BRINDLEY conducted the Prosecution; and MR. DALTON the Defence. JOHN SMITH. I live at 73, Southampton Street, Camberwell, and am a timber merchant—a man named Mitchell brought me this bill of exchange. (Read: "14th September, 1877. Three months after date pay to my order the sum of 25l. 6s. 0d. for value received. John R. Johnston. To Edwin S. Mogford, 19, Cecil Court, St. Martin's Lane, Strand. Accepted—E. S. Mogford. Payable at 19, Cecil Court, St. Martin's Lane. Strand."Endorsed" J. M. Johnston, 3, Albert Terrace, Star Road, Fulham. G. W. Mitchell.") I discounted it for George Mitchell and presented it in due course—it was returned and pronounced by Mogford to be a forgery—I had no return whatever for it.

Cross-examined. It was marked "Not within, no orders left," not as a forgery—I do not know any of those handwritings on the bill, except that of George "Mitchell," which I saw him endorse—I do not know the prisoner's handwriting—my clerk presented it—he is not here—it was sent through a notary as well—finding that it was not taken up it was sent to a public notary—it was presented at Mogford's premises. (The bill bore the name of "Donnison, Notary, 71, Cornhill.")

GEORGE MITCHELL . I live at 3, Gladstone Terrace, and am an accountant—I took a bill to John Smith, but whether this is the one I do not know—I had two—one I received from the prisoner and the other from a man named Trimm—I know the prisoner by sight and have had business with him—I believe both the bills were for the same amount—I have no memorandum—I did not receive them both the same day—the first bill was given me by Trimm—I think it was September or October last year that I received the bill from the prisoner outside a public-house, opposite Aldridge's Horse Repository, St. Martin's Lane—I took it to Mr. Smith the next day, I think—the prisoner told me he was in some difficulty about some rates he had to pay and he wanted 4l. 14s. 0d., I think—he said he had received the bill from Mogford, Cecil Court, St. Martin's Lane—there had been a previous bill, and he said that Mogford offered to pay 1l. if the first bill could be retired and a fresh one given—I left the bill with Mr. Smith as collateral security, not endorsed by me—he then paid me 4l. 14s. 0d., I think it was, by cheque, to enable the prisoner to pay his taxes, and he let me have a 5l. cheque for myself upon my giving him a written undertaking to obtain, free of cost to him, a certain deed or bond in the hands of a person named Cooper—I gave him this memorandum when he gave me the two cheques on the 20th October—Frederick Trimm brought me the former bill—I gave the prisoner the first bill again, besides this—I endorsed

the bill after Mr. Smith called and said it was said to be a forgery, and that the acceptor denied the hand writing.

By the COURT. I did not go to Cecil Court to make inquiries after the prisoner gave me the bill in front of the public-house—I took it on the faith of what the prisoner said, having seen Mogford previously on the first bill.

Cross-examined. I can form no opinion as to whether this is the bill I received from the prisoner or Trimm—I had had very little business with the prisoner before—I bought a few plants of him once—I had had no bill or cheque transaction with him before—Smith advanced me 4l. odd for the prisoner and 5l. for myself.

Re-examined. Mogford said if Johnston took him another bill he would accept it—I went to Johnston and told him that if he drew another bill Mogford would accept it, and if he brought it to me I would go and see Mr. Smith—I do not think I said "Go to Smith," but I would see if I could get the money for him—I had lent him some money previously—I cannot fix the date of the first bill—I think it would be about June—I am certain it was before 14th July—it was in precisely the same state when I took it to Smith, with the exception of my name on it—I never saw Mogford in my life that I know of until I went to ask him about the signature on this bill—the prisoner never said he had sued Mogford.

By the JURY. I should think it was in the early part of September that I saw Mogford—I can fix it by the time he did some repairs to a public-house.

EDWIN SAMUEL MOGFORD . I live at 6, Fountain Court, Strand—I did not accept and put my endorsement on this bill—this is not my writing—I never accepted any bill for the prisoner or authorised any one to do it for me—Mr. Mitchell brought a bill into my father's shop, 19, Cecil Court, some time in September—I cannot say whether it was this bill or another—I never saw it on more than one occasion—I told Mitchell in reply to his inquiry that I knew nothing of the acceptance on the bill, and he had better bring the prisoner there to prove it—I believe the name "Mogford" on the bill is the prisoner's writing—I cannot swear to it—this is his handwriting, I believe (producing an envelope).

Cross-examined. When Mitchell came to me in September nothing was said, about my paying 1l. to have a bill renewed, or that if a bill was brought me drawn by Johnston I would accept it—it is utterly untrue.

EDWIN MOGFORD . I live at 3, Great May's Buildings, St. Martin's Lane, and have a shop in Cecil Court—the last witness is my son and works for me—the bill produced is not accepted by me or by my authority—I know nothing whatever of the bill—it is not like my son's writing—I have his writing here—he furnishes me with a sheet every week. Cross-examined. I have never drawn or accepted a bill.

HENRY PICKARD (Detective T). I took the prisoner from the House of Detention to the Hammersmith police-court on 12th April—I said "You are further charged with forging a bill of exchange for 25l. 6s. 0d. purporting to be accepted by Edwin Samuel Mogford, of 19, Cecil Court, Strand, which Mogford states is a forgery"—he said "For what amount?"—I said "For 25l. 6s."—he said "I know nothing of any bill for that amount; who charges me?"—I replied "I charge you at present"—he said "Is Mogford there?" meaning at the station—I said "Yes, Mr. Mogford

is there, and Mr. Smith, the holder of the bill, is there"—he said "Is Mitchell there?"—I said "I expect him there, as I have sent him to attend"—up to the time he mentioned Mitchell's name I had not mentioned it at all to him.


6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-513
VerdictsGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > no evidence

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513. JOHN ROGERS JOHNSTON was again indicted for forging an order for payment of 20l. with intent to defraud.

EDWARD WHITE . I am a financial agent, of 1, Lancaster Place, Strand—on 10th November the prisoner came to me after banking hours with a person named Ruddock, and brought me this cheque, purporting to be from G. Harrison, and was for 20l., for which he wanted the cash—I told him it was after banking hours and I had got no money by me—he said he could do with 3l. or 4l.—I said "I have got a friend in the Strand I can go and borrow 3l. or 4l. of"—I went out and got him 4l., and he endorsed his name on the cheque—I asked the prisoner who Harrison was—he said he was a potato salesman carrying on a large business at King's Cross, and lived at 17, Mildmay Park—I know that neighbourhood and have relations living there—I went there afterwards to inquire and saw a Mrs. Burton living there—I also inquired at King's Cross—I had endorsed the cheque and sent it to my bank, the London and County, and it was returned with "Number of account required" written on it at the bottom—I have been paid nothing on it.

Cross-examined: Ruddock brought Johnston to me, who showed me the cheque and endorsed it in my presence—I could find no Mr. Harrison at King's Cross, and I was referred to Mr. Harrison of Tooley Street—I went there and he told me it was not his writing, and he did not know such a person—I did not employ a directory—I did not succeed in finding Mr. Harrison—I lost three or four hours at the Birkbeck Bank—the gentlemen there Were very courteous, but they could not find such a signature in their books—I have asked the prisoner several times where Mr. Harrison is to be found, and he has said he could not tell me—I told him several times I could not find him.

Re-examined. The prisoner endorsed the cheque at my request—I said "Perhaps you will put your name on it."

By the JURY. I had never transacted any business with the prisoner or Ruddock—I should have given the prisoner the other 16l. as soon as the cheque passed through the bank—he was introduced to me by Ruddock, whom I knew.

FREDERICK MORLEY HILL . I am an accountant in the Birkbeck Bank—I have seen the cheque produced—we have no such customer—it is out of John Roger Johnston's cheque-book, who had an account with us, and closed the same in 1876—he retained the cheques not used—I knew him when he had the account there, but I cannot identify the prisoner.

Cross-examined. We had several Harrisons, but not John Rogers Harrisons—the endorsement is in the writing of a customer who had an account with us.

GUILTY . There was another charge against the prisoner of obtaining 5l. under similar circumstances, on which no evidence was offered. Eighteen Months' Imprisonment .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-514
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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MESSRS. FRITH and WHITE conducted the Prosecution; and MR. W. SLEIGH the Defence.

THOMAS EDWARD BRADDS . I am a copper-plate printer, of 64, Rupert Street, Haymarket—on the night of the 9th of February I was walking up Ludgate Hill with my three sisters, who were in front of me and my brother, who was walking at my side—I noticed four men coming from the direction of St. Paul's—they surrounded my three sisters, and pushed them rudely up against the shutters and fastened them there, and would not allow them to pass either way—I immediately went to their assistance, and said to the prisoner "What are you doing with my sisters"—he took no notice, but stepped back a step or two, when one of his companions answered me, but I did not catch the words, and so I said "Are you aware those are my sisters you are interfering with?"—the one who had answered me said he didn't care a d——whether they were my sisters or anybody else's sisters—I felt annoyed at that, and said "I will pull your nose"—the prisoner then pushed me up against the shutters—he had a large stick in his hand and brought it down on my leg; I felt my leg tremble, and found I had no power in it—it was a black or brown polished notched stick like a thorn—I put my right hand out and caught the prisoner with that, and my young sister with my left, and held on to them—I cried out "Oh my leg, my leg is broken, that man has done it" (nodding to the prisoner)—my sister got round to the other side of the prisoner and held him and cried "Police!"—the prisoner then kicked me on the same leg—I caught hold of him with the other hand and gradually sunk to the ground, and sat on the pavement—whilst I was on the pavement I told him if he attempted to go he would have to drag me with him—my sister had hold of him still and so had I, and I went on my back on the pavement afterwards—whilst on my back one of the party came to me and said there was nothing the matter with me, and if I did not get up he would kick the top of my head in; or off, I forget which—I think that was the one who had spoken before—I appealed to the bystanders to protect me—"Will anybody protect me from this man? you hear what he says," and he tantalised me, I cannot say the exact words he used—he then walked round the crowd and I said "There is the stick he has done it with"—a young man attempted to take it out of the prisoner's right hand—he resisted at first, but when he saw who it was taking it he let it go, and my sister gave him in custody and I charged him—I was taken to St. Bartholomew's Hospital, and was in bed for five weeks and two days—when the prisoner was given in charge he stood and grinned—he didn't say anything—my sister Sarah was with me the whole time—I had hold of the prisoner from the time he struck me, and am positive he is the man.

Cross-examined. I am positive he struck and kicked me—I solemnly swear I saw a stick in his hand—I said at the police-court I might know the other men if I saw them—I may have said I should know them—I was asked if I could identify any one in Court as one of them—I picked out one who I said was very much like one of the young men with the prisoner—I know he turned out to be a witness in another case, but I was not positive—no second person was brought under my notice—Thomas Gray was brought under my notice—I didn't see him when I looked round the Court—he was afterwards put into the witness-box—I heard my sisters examined—I heard Eleanor say "My brother was

behind us; three young men, the defendant being one of them, pushed very rudely against us"—I say four—I cannot say whether Elizabeth said three or four—I heard her say "One of the three got hold of my sister rather indecently; the defendant was one of them, but he had no part in the annoyance"—I heard the prisoners had all been drinking together at the Dolphin, on Ludgate Hill—the prisoner was behind my sisters—he stopped their way this side; he was taking the principal part, to my idea—when my sisters were pushed up against the shutters, I did not go up to one of the men and say "What do you mean by insulting respectable married women?"—I did say "Why are you insulting my sisters?" both to Gray I think and the prisoner—I know it was to one of the four—I cannot say whether it was to the one who used the violent language—neither of them said it was an accident and he would apologise—I did not say "Accident be d—d, it was done on purpose;" it is not an expression of mine—I did not attempt to strike Gray; nothing of the sort—I never fell, I slid myself down by the prisoner's coat, the pain in my leg preventing my standing—I nodded to the prisoner while on the ground—I said perhaps 20 times before the police constable came up, that he had broken my leg—I said when the policeman came up "I charge that man with breaking my leg"—I suppose that was giving him in charge, but I did not go the station—another constable took me in a cab to the hospital—I did not hear the prisoner say to the constable "I know nothing about it; you might as well have picked out any one else who was passing"—I heard the constable give his evidence—I saw the stick passed away, I cannot say whether the constable had come up then or not—I have not made a solemn statement on my oath about it—I was cross-examined at the police-court at some length—I know what I said about the stick—I did say "While I had hold of the defendant, I said to the constable 'That is the stick with which he struck me'"—I said "The constable was present when the other man took the stick from the defendant"—I do not think I am mistaken, or that what was done to me was done by the man who used the violent language—I said at the police-court "Whilst I was on the ground one of the defendant's companions came round to the back of me"—I said "I appealed to the bystanders to protect me from this man, and then that man walked away to the back of the defendant, and he drew the stick out of the defendant's hands"—the attempt to take the stick was immediately after I pointed it out—I nodded to the prisoner when I was leaning against him and my sister—after that he kicked me on the leg—I had been with an apprentice of mine that night—I left 64, Rupert Street, at 11.30 with my eldest sister, and then we went into Bluecross Street for my eldest sister to wish her mother good night, where we joined my other two sisters and my brother, and we all went from there—we had nothing to drink—it was as dark as on an ordinary night on Ludgate Hill—I don't think my sisters said anything at the police-court about the kick—I was very bad when I went to the police-court—I did not say anything to the policeman about the prisoner having kicked me—I swear the prisoner did not turn round in the presence of myself and the constable, and appeal to the bystanders and say "Can any one say they saw me raise either hand or foot, or interfere with this man in any way?"—I had hold of the prisoner by the bottom of his coat when the constable came up—I did not see that the prisoner was smoking a cigar;

he was not when I had hold of him—I was on the ground I suppose 20 minutes—I did not notice the prisoner's left hand—I saw no cigar—my sister, who spoke about the stick was called on the last occasion at the police-court—some of them said that he had something in his hand but they did not see what it was.

Re-examined. Eight weeks had intervened, I think, between the occurrence and the time I was at the police-court, and I was then called on to identify some of the men who were with the prisoner—it did not take a second to pass the stick—the policeman may or may not have seen it—there was no fight at all, nor did I intend to strike one of the men and fall in the attempt—I was in too great pain to look in the prisoner's hand to see if he had a cigar.

ELEANOR ROBERTSON . I live at 64, Rupert Street, and am the wife of Edward Robertson, a printer's clerk—on the night of 9th February I was on Ludgate Hill with my sisters and brothers—about 12 o'clock three men and the prisoner pushed rudely against us and got us up against the shutters on the wall side—my brothers, who were behind, came up and asked them what they insulted us for—my sister, Mrs. Crawley, said "I beg pardon, allow us to pass; we are married women"—we tried to walk along—we got away from them, and when turning round to go away I heard my brother Thomas Edward call out "My leg is broken; that man has broken it; don't let him go"—my younger sister had hold of him on one side and my brother had him by the coat and never loosed him until he lost power over himself and gradually sank to the ground—my younger sister called for the police until they came and then gave him in custody—the prisoner was the nearest of the four men to my brother—he had something in his hand, I could not see what it was—there is not the slightest truth in the suggestion at the police-court that we induced the men to annoy us.

Cross-examined. I am sure the prisoner had something in his hand—I said so at the police-court—I said "I believe he had something in his hand"—I believe so now—it was something dark—I dare say I said at the police-court that my brother said "That is the man that struck me"—I have been out to luncheon this morning, but I did not associate with my brother—I know he has been examined this morning—I did not say at the police-court that there were three men, of whom the prisoner was one—if I did it was a mistake—I did not then say anything about the prisoner having kicked my brother—I don't know whether he said anything about being kicked when the policeman came up—there was a great crowd—I did not notice that the prisoner was smoking a cigar—I did not hear any rough language between my brother and Gray—I heard a man use brutal and rough language to my brother—he said that if he did not get up from the ground he would kick the top of his head in, or something of that kind—I said nothing of that at the police-court because I was not asked the question—the prisoner said to the policeman when he was given in charge "You might as well accuse anybody else as me"—I did not hear my brother say "Accident be d—d, it was done on purpose"—I was not near enough to hear—I was in the centre at the beginning of the occurrence—I did not see my brother attempt to strike Gray—I saw nothing of it until I heard him cry out that his leg was broken—the prisoner insulted us with the others, only the other three were arm in arm and he was not—I said at the police-court "The

three young men, the defendant being one of them, pushed very rudely against us; one of the three got hold of my sister rather indecently; the defendant was with them, but he had no part in the annoyance"—it was one of the other three that caught hold of my sister—he encircled us, but he did not catch hold of us.

ELIZABETH CRAWLEY . I am the wife of John Crawley, of 2, St. Martin's Street, Leicester Square, a military tailor, and am a sister of the last witness—I was with my brothers and sisters—my two sisters and I were walking arm in arm and my two brothers were behind us walking up Ludgate Hill towards the Mansion House—we met four gentlemen, three abreast and one just behind them—the three were arm in arm—they rudely pushed against us, and one of the three, not the prisoner, caught hold of me in a very indecent manner—the prisoner was just at the side of the kerb, a very little behind—I told the gentlemen not to interfere with married women and please to walk on, as they were mistaken—we tried to get away and the three came round us and would not let us go—the prisoner kept at the side of them—my brother Thomas, who was behind, asked why they were interfering with his sisters?—the prisoner stepped forward and what he did to my brother I cannot say, but my brother said "Oh, that man has broken my leg; hold him"—my younger sister caught hold of the prisoner's coat and my brother caught hold of him with his other hand and he gradually fell back—my sister screamed for the police—a constable came and took the prisoner to the station, and going there the prisoner said to the policeman "You will do the best you can for me"—my other married sister said, "Oh, policeman, do you hear what he is saying of; you wicked man"—two of the men who had encircled us came to the station with the prisoner; the fourth had disappeared—the prisoner at the station-house said "I will see into this; I will go to the extreme"—he seemed to laugh over it as if he didn't care.

Cross-examined. I did not say at the police-court that the prisoner said "You will do what you can for me"—I heard the prisoner, on going to the station, say "I know nothing about it; you might as well take any one passing by as me"—I did not hear the prisoner appeal to the people standing by as to whether he had lifted hand or foot or interfered with my brother in any way.

SARAH BRADDS . I am a sister of the last witness, and live at 1, Blue Cross Street, Leicester Square—I was walking with my sisters, arm in arm, and my brothers were behind—there were three men walking towards us and another at the back, and the three surrounded us—we got from them and were walking away from them, and I looked round and saw they had got towards my brother, and the man who was at the back was talking to him—he was then the nearest to my brother—I walked towards my brother and saw the prisoner strike him on the leg with a stick or umbrella, I could not say which—he then kicked him, and my brother said "He has broken my leg; hold this man"—I held him one side and my brother the other, and I called the police and the prisoner was taken to the station—I went to the hospital with my brother—just when my brother was struck the prisoner was standing towards the kerb with his face to my brother—there was plenty of light for me to see who struck the blow, and I swear the prisoner did it.

Cross-examined. I think I said something at the police-court about the

prisoner kicking my brother—if it was asked me I said so. (The witness's depositions did not mention it.)

JAMES BRADDS . I am a printer, of 31, Little Windmill Street—I was walking up Ludgate Hill with my brother and three sisters at about 12 o'clock on 9th February—my sisters were in advance of us—I saw four men stop my sisters—my brother stepped forward to ask them what they were doing, and then I passed on with my two sisters, and I waited a minute or two for my brother, and presently saw him slide to the ground—then I turned back and he had got hold of the prisoner by his coat—I saw a man leave from the side where the prisoner had been standing—I brought him forward aud my brother said "Hold that man," pointing to the prisoner—by that time my sister was holding him—I let go the man that I had; I don't know who he was—he was not near my brother—I heard my sister call out "Police."

JOHN WHITE (City Policeman 507). About 12.10 a.m. on 10th February I saw a crowd on Ludgate Hill—the prisoner was there and four persons were in front of him, one of them being the last witness—the prosecutor was sitting about the middle of the pavement—the prisoner was standing quiet, and the prosecutor said to me "Detain that man; don't let him go ; he broke my leg"—he said it was done with a stick—I did not see any stick—it would not have been possible for the stick to have been passed away after I was there.

Cross-examined. The prisoner appeared perfectly calm about the matter and astonished at the charge—I did not hear him appeal to the bystanders as to whether he had lifted hand or foot against the prosecutor or interfered with him in any way—the prosecutor did not show me where the stick was—the prisoner was not smoking a cigar at that time—at the police-station he asked to be allowed to smoke and had a portion of a cigar in his hand, and he was told to put it out, as it is prohibited—I looked all round the crowd to see if anybody had got a stick, and no one in the crowd had one—there were about twenty or thirty persons, more than half men—I did not go to each and ask if they had a stick.

Re-examined. I should see a cigar as easily as I should see a stick—the prisoner lifted up his hands and said "I have no stick"—no one was handling the prisoner at the time—the four persons were standing in front of him—he did not try to escape.

HAROLD SCHOFIELD . I am house-surgeon at St. Bartholomew's Hospital—the prosecutor was brought in on the morning of 10th February suffering from a broken leg—it was about the middle of the bone, what we call the tibia—only one bone was broken—I should say the breakage was caused by direct violence—I could not say by what instrument, but by something more than a fall, either by a blow on the leg or striking the leg against something, force applied from the outside—it was a simple fracture, with bruising of course, but no wound of the skin—it might have been caused by a blow with a stick or the foot, or both, it would be impossible to say which—he was five weeks and two days under my care—he went out on 19th March—he has been once or twice since to show himself.

Cross-examined. We have plenty of cases of broken legs caused by a simple fall—the breakage might have been caused by the man striking his leg on the corner of the kerb-stone—in the case of a blow or kick I should not necessarily expect to find an abrasion of the skin unless the man's legs were bare—it would depend on the force of the blow.

Re-examined. In all probability it was caused by a blow more than a fall—I cannot say exactly—the tibia is the chief bone of the leg, the shin bone—the bruise was just over the seat of fracture—it was about the size of a hen's egg—if the fracture were caused by falling on the kerb it would more easily occur if he were standing in the road.

By the JURY. In the event of a kick, if the person twisted himself round and struck his leg against the kerb the force might still have been sufficient to break his leg.

Witnesses for the Defence.

GEORGE WARRELL . I live at 101, Coburg Buildings, Rochester Row, and am employed at the Bodega, Glasshouse Street, Regent Street—I met two persons named Gray on this night on Ludgate Hill; I was with the prisoner, and we all four went into the Dolphin—I had met the prisoner in Glasshouse Street—I have known him nearly three years, he is generally a teetotaler—I have seen him drink a glass of ale occasionally but never spirits—I cannot remember what he had that night or who paid for it—he was not the worse for liquor—as we went down the hill, Gray and his brother were a little in front of the prisoner and myself—the prisoner was smoking a cigar—Charles Gray accidentally knocked against one of the females coming in the opposite direction, but not in an indecent or improper manner; she turned round and asked what he meant by insulting a respectable married woman—I believe that was Eleanor Robertson—at the same moment two young men came up who were walking behind—one of them, the prosecutor's brother, asked Gray what he meant by insulting his sisters—Gray said it was quite an accident, and he would apologise—he replied "Accident-be d—d, it was done purposely," at the same time attempting to strike Gray—one or two of his sisters caught hold of him and took him up Ludgate Hill towards St. Paul's—while they were taking him away the prosecutor rushed at Gray and struck him two or three times with his fists about the shoulders or face, a scuffle ensued between them, and the prosecutor fell, calling out that his leg was broken—the prisoner and I walked over to see if it was the case; he was lying on the ground, and he pointed to the prisoner and said he was the man that broke his leg, that he struck him with a stick—I had not seen any stick, nor had he one that evening to my knowledge—a policeman came up almost at the same moment, and the prosecutor's sister gave the prisoner in custody—he was taken to the station and charged—he was still smoking his cigar when taken—the prisoner had nothing whatever to do with interfering with the prosecutor, and never spoke one word to him until he was taken in custody, neither did he press up against the women or come in collision with them in any way whatever.

Cross-examined. I think there were four remands at the police-court—I was there on each occasion but not called—we have plenty of drink at the Bodega—I met the prisoner in Glasshouse Street—of course he can take a glass occasionally—we had one glass at the Dolphin—I have no notion who paid for the drinks—I have a good notion of what occurred afterwards—we met the Grays somewhere in the Strand, I believe—we went to Fleet Street because the prisoner wanted to see a friend of his—he does not drink gin or any sort of spirit—I don't know about wine—he drinks a glass of beer occasionally—I don't know that we went into any public-house before the Dolphin at about 11.40—we went into a tobacconist's in Fleet Street, where the prisoner bought

two or three cigars—that may have been after 11 o'clock—I have known the Grays about 12 months—they are brothers—we were going home feet off—the prosecutor struck Gray without saying a word.

Re-examined I had one glass of beer to drink that night since 9.30—there is no truth in the insinuation that I was so much the worse for liquor that I cannot recollect.

CHARLES GRAY . I am a soap hand at a perfumer's and live at 6, Martlett's Court, Bow Street—I was with the prisoner and my brother and Warrell on Ludgate Hill—my brother and I were in advance of the prisoner—three females were coming in the opposite direction—as we were passing them my brother and myself accidentally knocked against one of them with my shoulder—there was not too much room—there were five abreast on the pavement, three going one way and two the other—she turned round and rebuked me, and wanted to know what I meant by insulting her—I offered an apology, but it was not accepted—I said "It was quite an accident; I am very sorry for it"—the prosecutor's brother came up to me in a very threatening attitude, and he was drawn away up the hill by two of the females—at the same instant the prosecutor came deliberately up to me and struck me on the shoulder and followed it up by striking me two or three times more, and wanted to know what I meant by insulting his sisters—I went to defend myself and he jumped me on one side, and in so doing I caught my foot accidentally against his leg and he fell down, exclaiming that his leg was broken—I did not kick at him—it was more a slip than anything, being a greasy night—we both fell in the centre of the pavement—he fell towards the shutters right away from the kerb—it is rather steep there—two or three people standing round in the crowd told me I had better go away before anything further was done, and I went away and saw no more of it—the prisoner had no stick that night—he had light spring-side boots on.

Cross-examined. I was about two hours in the prisoner's company—I met him at Charing Cross-the first place we went into to drink was a public-house at Charing Cross—Warrell was with us—we had some bitter ale and the prisoner had a glass of stout—the next public-house was the Dolphin, but we stopped some time at a cigar-shop at the corner of Whitefriars Street—I have not given evidence at the police-court—I have known the prisoner since that night—I know Warrell very well and have seen him frequently since then and had conversation with him—I have inquired how this case was going on—I was at the police-court at all the three remands, but was not called—I had no conversation with my brother about this—he was not in court at any of the remands—I walked arm in arm with my brother—I did not notice which of the females I pushed against—I saw them coming, but never separated from my brother—I am employed at Osborne's, Golden Square—I was called into the witness-box at the police-court, but not sworn—I did not volunteer any statement—I said then I lived at 6, Martlett's Court, Bow Street—I told them I had worked for Osborne and Co.—I did not say I was then out of employment—I have not seen the prisoner with a stick, I have seen him with an umbrella, but he had neither that night—the prosecutor fell close by the shutters, but not against them.

Re-examined. I was at the police-court each time to give evidence if

called on—I was put into the box and began to make a statement, but something dropped from the Alderman and I went no further, and no more witnesses were called—I have worked at Osborne's ever since this.

MATTHEW GRAY . I was walking with my brother, the prisoner, and Warrell, on Ludgate Hill, on this night—we had been to the Dolphin—my brother pushed accidentally against one of the females, and she instantly turned round and said something about insulting married women—he said he was very sorry—she said that it was done intentionally—at the same time her two male companions came up; one of them, the prosecutor's brother, attempted to strike my brother, but two of the females dragged him away—the prosecutor then turned round and struck my brother two or three times, using some expression, I am not sure what—a scuffle ensued, the prosecutor fell, and a crowd gathered round—I saw no one hit him or trip him up—the prisoner did not interfere with or have any altercation with the prosecutor, and he had no stick or umbrella or any implement whatever. Cross-examined. I don't know whether he ever carries a stick—I did not see my brother's leg near the prosecutor's—I was two or three yards off—there was a lamp but not a good light at all—it did not rain that day—it was rather cloudy—nobody had a stick—I think I was smoking—I could not swear Whether all four were—the prisoner may have been smoking—I didn't notice a cigar—Warrell and I went to the policestation. The Prisoner received a good character.

GUILTY of a Common Assault . Judgment Respited. (See Half-yearly Index.)

NEW COURT.—Friday, May 10th, 1878.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-515
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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515. HENRY GEHRKE (53) and AUGUSTA GEHRKE (25) , Unlawfully conspiring to defraud the Great Northern Railway Company.

MR. STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution; and MR. COLE the Defence.

CHARLES FAULKENER . I am a ticket collector in the service of the Great Northern Railway at Holloway—on Sunday, 14th April, I was collecting the tickets there from the 10.16 a.m. train—I found the two prisoners and a third person, a lady who is outside, in a second-class carriage—when I applied to the female prisoner for her ticket she held up a season ticket, showing me the date, King's Cross and Crouch End, second-class—I asked the male prisoner for his season ticket and he pulled a purse out of his pocket and held it up—I asked him a second time and he held up a reddish purse, something like this (produced), and said "Season"—I did not notice which side he held up, but I can say that it was a purse and not a ticket—I asked him a third time for his ticket—he then opened his purse and said "I have left my season at home"—I said "Will you pay the fare ?"—he said "No, I will give you my name and address," and then said to the female prisoner in English, "Write my address out for me"—I then asked her to let me see the season ticket she had shown me and she handed me this ticket No. 7239—(This had "Mr. H. Gehrke" printed on it)—I said to the male prisoner "Is this your season ticket?"—he said "Yes"—I said "You told me just now you had left it at home; how is it this lady is using it?"—he

then offered to pay the fare—I would not take it, and called the inspector, who told me in the prisoner's hearing to take the name and number of the season, and ask for the address—the male prisoner gave his address 7, Park Villas, Crouch End.

Cross-examined. This was on Sunday morning, the last train running before church-time—I am not aware that on the following Tuesday he went to the Company's offices to give a full explanation—I did not call at the defendant's address, Fern Villa, 19, Perth Road, Finsbury Park, N., nor do I know that a Company's officer did call there—Mr. Forbes is the traffic manager—I have been a ticket collector three years and a half—some persons carry their season ticket attached by an elastic band to their purse, and some inside their purse—I have often seen it on the purse with an elastic band—he offered to pay me the money before I called the inspector, and he offered to pay the inspector, but neither of us took it—the second-class fare from Crouch End is 5d.—I heard him say Park Villas—the young lady asked me for a pencil and was writing it down—I can't say whether she finished, for she got up and looked out of the window on the opposite side—I did not get the written address—I reported the matter the same day, and it would go to the Company's office next morning—the season ticket books are kept at the King's Cross office—the lady witness who is to be called was not at the police-court she was not heard of until yesterday—she was next to the carriage door, hers was an ordinary ticket—the female prisoner sat on the far side of the compartment—she gave me the ticket when I asked her—I asked the male prisoner "Is this your ticket?" he said "Yes," and offered to pay the fare for the lady—I did not supply the paper for writing the address down.

Re-examined. I took a note in my book at the time, of the address he gave, and refreshed my memory by that—I say that it was 7 Park Villas, Crouch End.

By the COURT. I got no name and address from the lady—after the inspector was at the door the male prisoner gave the address by word of mouth and I wrote it down.

WILLIAM PICKSLEY . I am an inspector at Holloway station—I was called on this Sunday morning to a second class-carriage, and heard Faulkener ask the male prisoner for his address—he said "7, Park Villas Crouch End"—Faulkener asked him whether the season ticket was his—he said "Yes"—he offered to pay me the fare; I refused to take it and told Faulkener to take his name from the season and the number of the season; and then he was asked for his address.

Cross-examined. When the name and number are obtained we can find out by the books the name and address of the person who holds the ticket—I did not go to Fern Villa, 19, Perth Road, Finsbury Park; I believe Mr. Williams did—he is the Company's detective inspector, I know some one went—Faulkener asked my advice and I said "Take the name and number of the ticket"—I did not see paper and pencil produced the train was very soon off after I came up—the gentleman offered me the fare to King's Cross—they might have got out at Holloway but they did not—I asked him whether the season ticket was his and he said "Yes."

ANNE PIERREPOINT CHAMBERS . I live at 1, Citizen Road, Holloway—I got into this train at Holloway station—the prisoners were in the compartment when I got in, sitting opposite each other, and nobody else—

after the train left Holloway they were talking to each other, and when we got to York Road I heard one of them say that they thought the Company would not take any more notice of it, or something to that effect.

Cross-examined. I gave a statement yesterday of my evidence, to Messrs. Wontner, the Attorneys for the Great Northern Railway—it was not in answer to an advertisement; I expect they knew me, I have travelled for many years on the line, and I mentioned it to one of the inspectors as I came home the same day—I took what the male prisoner held up to be a purse—I heard the collector ask the lady for her ticket, and saw her give him this season ticket—he opened it and said "Is this your address?"or "your ticket?"—the male prisoner said "Yes,"and offered to pay the fare for the lady I suppose—the inspector was then called, but before that the gentleman asked for a piece of paper and lead pencil to write down the address—the collector gave him a pencil, and I think they had a piece of paper themselves—the lady tried to write but she could not—I do not think the pencil would mark—I heard the collector read the station from the ticket, it was some villa near Crouch End—the male prisoner said "That is our address."

Re-examined. The lady was asked if hers was the same address, and she said "Yes."

JAMES HARRISON . I am chief clerk in the Season Ticket Department, Great Northern Railway, King's Cross—the prisoner Henry Gehrke is a second-class season ticket holder between King's Cross and Crouch End—this is the season ticket issued to him—he gave his address Fern Villa, 19, Perth Road—the female prisoner does not hold a season ticket.

Cross-examined. There is a proper register of season ticket holders, and on looking at this ticket we could tell Mr. Gehrke's address—I do not recollect his calling at our office on Tuesday the 16th to explain the matter, but I was told he did call—I did not hear the explanation—he has been a season ticket holder for three years—just before the expiry of season tickets we send a form to holders to be filled in, and one would be sent to Mr. Gehrke—I did not call on him to ask for an explanation on 25th April—I cannot say who did—(The prisoner Augusta here produced a thirdclass season ticket in her own name, between Crouch Hill and King's Cross on the Midland Railway, until 6th May, 1878)—I did not know then that she was a season ticket holder on the Midland, but I know it now—the Crouch End station of the Great Northern Railway, and the Crouch Hill station of the Midland are a very short distance apart, and some of the trains when they arrive at the Metropolitan Station, King's Cross, stand on the same platform, but only those trains which run through to Moorgate Street.

RICHARD WILLIAMS (Inspector G. N. R.). In consequence of information I went on Tuesday, 23rd April, to 7, Park Villas, Crouch End—the house was shut up, no one was living there.

Cross-examined. I had some correspondence put into my hands, and acted upon instructions—I did not call on the defendants at Fern Villa, 19, Perth Road—I have heard that somebody did.

WILLIAM CHARTER (Policeman G 224). I served the summons on the female prisoner at 19, Perth Road—she said it was all a mistake on the part of the officials, she did not intend to do anything. Cross-examined. That was 19, Perth Road, but I do not know whether

it is Fern Villa—she may have said that somebody had called from the Company—I was not at the Clerkenwell Police Court when they first appeared—I have the summons here—there was only one hearing—I was not there the whole time. The Prisoners received good characters. NOT GUILTY .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-516
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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516. JAMES RYAN (38) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of John Bird with intent to steal.

MR. WILLIS conducted the Prosecution.

STEPHEN HALL . I am a traveller, of 4, Green Street, Whitechapel—the house belongs to John Bird—on 29th April, about 2.30 a.m., I was in bed in the front parlour—that is my bedroom and sitting-room—I was awoke by the striking of a match, but the shutters were shut as they were when I went to bed—I looked up and saw the prisoner—I said "Who's there?"—he said "It is me; I have been robbed and you have got to die"—he tried to catch hold of me—I jumped out of bed—it was dark, but I could hear by the glasses moving that he was seated on the sideboard, and knowing the part of the, room he was in I went to the door, which was locked—I went out and closed it as well as I could—I wanted to lock him in, but could not get the key out—Mr. Bird came and I then heard the prisoner open the window and jump out—the window was fastened when I went to bed, but not the shutter—I have no doubt the prisoner is the man, because he struck a cigar light, and in trying to blow it out he held it up to his face.

JOHN MILES (Policeman K 225). I was on duty in Whitechapel about 2.30 a.m. and saw the prisoner in Green Street, about 100 yards from Bird's house—I afterwards stood in the shade under a wall opposite the house, concealed from view, believing that the prisoner was still there—I saw the shutters come open and the prisoner jumped out—I ran him about 100 yards and he stopped of himself, turned round, and said, "There runs the boy, master, you are wanting"—I said "No, you are the one I want," and took him in custody—he said "I have not done anything nor yet got anything"—I did not lose sight of him from the time he got out at the window—I was close behind him all the way and have no doubt he is the man who got out—he was sober.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I got into the shade because you were loitering about—you went round a corner, but I was close behind you calling "Stop him."

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I remember nothing of it, I had been drinking."

Prisoner's Defence. I do not know anything about it. I came down to see my brother in the Commercial Road, whose regiment was going to Kingston the first thing in the morning, and the policeman came up and charged me.

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Imprisonment .

OLD COURT.—Saturday, May 11th, and Monday, May 13th, 1878.

Before Mr. Recorder.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-517
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-518
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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518. JOHN WRIGHT (29), ROBERT HENNESSEY (54), and GEORGE LUSBY (45), Unlawfully conspiring to steal the moneys of James Beddoe and others, and to obtain situations for Wright by means of a false character, with intent to steal.

MR. BESLEY conducted the Prosecution; and Messrs. W. SLEIGH and RAVEN defended Wright and Lusby.

EDWARD ROBERT CRISP . I keep the Kenilworth Castle, 286, New North Road—on 27th September I saw this advertisement from a barman in the Morning Advertiser—I replied to it by post-card, and Wright came to me as the advertiser—I asked him if he was capable of fulfilling the duties which were set forth in that advertisement—he said he was, that he had been 10 or 11 months in the employ of Mr. Lacy, who had kept a public-house in the Borough—I asked him the cause of his leaving—he said "Change of hands"—I asked the address of his late employer—he said he was residing in private, in a private house at 33, Darwin Street, Old Kent Road—I arranged with him to go there on the following day—he gave me his name as John Wright—next day, on going to 33, Darwin Street, I saw Wright at the corner of the street—I spoke to him and he directed me to 33—I went there, and on knocking at the door I inquired for Mr. Lacy, and was referred upstairs to the first-floor front room, where I found Hennessey—I said "Mr. Lacy?"—he said "Yes"—I told him I had called respecting the character of a young man named John Wright, who had applied to me for a situations as barman and potman—I then put the usual questions as to his honesty and sobriety, and if he considered him thoroughly trustworthy and capable of fulfilling the duties for which I required him—he said he was—I asked the cause of his leaving—he said that he (Hennessey) had recently left his house in the Borough, and that he was seeking another—I asked if he had any fault to find with him—he said he had not, the only complaint he had against him was that he had been late twice on a Sunday—I replied "That is a minor offence, and if I find him only as good as you represent he will do very well for me"—he said he had been with him between 10 and 11 months—after I left the house I saw Wright standing in the street and told him I had seen Mr. Lacy, that the reference was satisfactory, and that he could come as soon as he pleased—I believed that Hennessey was Lacy, residing at 33, Darwin Street, and that he had been keeping a public-house in the Borough—he apologized for the house being slightly in disorder—Wright came into my service that same evening—he remained 10 days—I kept a daily account of my takings—whilst Wright was with me my takings varied from 10s. to 15s. a day less than usual, on the Sunday especially, when he was most in the bar it was between 2l. and 3l. less than on any previous Sunday—after he left my takings resumed their former state—the Sunday he was with me was the worst Sunday I had the whole five years I was in the house.

Cross-examined. I have not brought my books here, I did not know it was necessary—Wright was potman during the day and barman in the evening—his hours were from 8.30 a.m. till closing, which was between 12 and 12.30—he came to me on Friday, 28th—it was the second Sunday he was with me that the takings were so short; I did not observe it the first Sunday—I first noticed it on the Monday—I discharged him for being drunk—he did not give me notice to leave.

ROBERT JAMES WHITE . I keep the Cock public-house, Old Street,

St. Luke's—a day or two before 1st November my brother saw an advertisement in the Morning Advertiser for a potman and barman, and sent Wright to me—he gave his name as John Wright and gave me a letter that my brother had sent to me stating that he was a likely man to suit me—I asked him where he had been living—he said with a man named Hennessey, at the Cooper's Arms, or the King's Arms, I can't exactly recollect where, and he referred me to Mr. Hennessey, 33, Darwin Street, Old Kent Road, for his character as his last employer, and that he had been with him about two years—I went to 33, Darwin Street, and there saw Hennessey—I said "Mr. Hennessey?"—he said "I am Mr. Hennessey"—I said I had come after the character of the man Wright, and asked if he was honest, sober, and a good working man—he said yes, that he was strictly honest, sober, and a thorough good working man—I asked why he parted with him—he said because he had just sold his house, about three weeks—that he had been with him about two years—I think he said his public-house was close by Darwin Street—after I had seen Hennessey, believing his statement, I took Wright into my service on 1st November—I discharged him on the 3rd, because I saw a clique that I recognized; they came suddenly into the place when he got into the bar.

Cross-examined. I gave him that reason for discharging him, in so many words—I said at the police-court that the reason was he had too many followers—it is not usual when a fresh barman comes for fresh faces to be seen at the bar, not in such quantities—we do not expect a barman to introduce fresh customers so quickly.

DECIMUS NEWLAND . I keep the white Swan, High Street, Shoreditch—on the Wednesday before Christmas I saw an advertisement in the Morning Advertiser—I replied to it, and Wright came as the advertiser—he said his name was John Coleman—I asked if he had come in answer to my letter—he said yes, for my situation as second barman, and he referred me to Mr. Page, 55, Camden Grove North, Peckham, as his late master, that he had been with him several months at a house in the Grove, and there saw Hennessey—I said "Mr. Page?"—he said "Yes"—I said I had called about the character of John Coleman, if he had been in his employment—he said "Yes"—I asked if he was honest, sober, and a good barman—he said yes, that he had recently sold his house in the Borough, I think he said about three weeks ago, and that he had nothing at all against Coleman, except that he was late in one Sunday evening—I asked him how long he had been in his service—he said street after leaving the house, and told him that his character was very satisfactory, and he might come next morning—he did so—that was Friday, 21st December—he left on the following Friday for drunkenness.

EMILY BEDDOE . I am the wife of James Beddoe, of the Royal George, Abbey Street, Bermondsey—on 19th January I answered an advertisement for a barman in the Morning Advertiser, and Wright came as the advertiser—I asked where he had lived last—he said in Suffolk Street, in the Borough, at the Rodney Arms with Mr. Law eleven months—I asked where I could get his character; he said at 55, Camden Grove North, Peckham—my brother went there, my husband being ill—my brother repeated to me the statement that had been made to him at Peckham, and

I believed it, and took Wright into our service—he came on the Monday morning, and left on the Wednesday, for getting drunk—he made no reference to the White Swan, Shoreditch, or the Cock, Old Street, or the Kenilworth Castle.

Cross-examined. I discharged him for drunkenness and abuse.

THOMAS BEDDOE . I am brother-in-law to the last witness—at her request I went on 20th of January to 55, Camden Grove North, Peckham—a lady opened the door to me, and I saw Hennessey—I said "Are you Mr. Law?"—he said "Yes"—I said "I believe you kept the Rodney Arms in Little Suffolk Street"—he said "I did"—I said "I have come after the character of John Wright who was a barman and potman in your employ"—he said "Yes"—I said "Is he honest, sober, and a man capable of doing his duties?"—he said "He was, and he should have no hesitation if he got into business again to take him into his employ again"—I asked how long he had been with him, and I think he said eleven months—I believed his statement, and reported to Mr. Beddoe what had passed.

JAMES BENJAMIN CONDY . I am clerk to Mr. Whiteley, clerk to the Justices of the Newington division of the County of Surrey, which comprises the Borough of Southwark—I produce the register of licensed houses in that division—there has been no person named Lacy keeping a public-house in the Borough during the last twelve months, or any persons named Page, Law, or Hennessey.

GEORGE LOCKYER . I am sessions warder of Coldbath Fields Prison—in August, 1869, I was present at the Middlesex Sessions, when Hennessey was convicted in the name of Joseph Ennis—I had him in the prison for a long time before he was sent away—I did not see him at Working—I recognised him in Newgate—I had known him previous to that.

FREDERICK HOLMAN . I am employed at the Working Convict Prison as dispenser of medicines—I knew Hennessey there for nearly seven years up to May 1st, 1877—he then left to go to Millbank for discharge.

Cross-examined by Hennessey. You were very well behaved as a prisoner—you got your remission in the usual way.

SAMUEL JOHN GLOVER . My father kept the Globe in Darwin Street, Old Kent Road—he is now out of business—I know Wright as living at 33, Darwin Street for about three months—he left about last Christmas—I did not know him by any name—I have seen both the other prisoners with him at the time he lived there.

ALFRED OSMOND HOLMES . I live at 15, Fleming Road, Walworth—I am landlord of 55, Camden Grove North, Peckham, it is a private house—just before Christmas last it was taken by Wright—he gave me the name of John Wright—I asked him what business he was and whether he wanted to carry on any business at my house—he said he was in the glass trade—he gave me his address 33, Darwin Street, Old Kent Road—I went and saw him there—he remained the occupier of the house in Camden Grove till he was taken into custody—I do not know either of the other prisoners.

CHARLES THORPE . I am manager to Mr. Sadler, of the Mitre, Fish Street Hill—I know Wright and Hennessey—about January, 1878, Hennessey made an application to me—he did not mention his name, he said "Don't you remember me?" I said "No"—he said "Don't you remember I kept a public-house in the Borough?" I said "Really I do not?"—that

was all that passed that day—a day or two after he came again and asked if I would allow him to have a letter addressed to our place—I said "Yes"—this advertisement has a direction to "J. H., Mitre Tavern, Fish Street Hill"—four or five letters came so addressed, and I gave them to Hennessey—Wright was with him when he called for them.

GEORGE GABB . I am a licensed victualler in St. Martin's Court, Ludgate Hill—on 29th March, I saw this advertisement in the Morning Advertiser—I replied to it and Wright came to me as the advertiser—he called himself Charles Coleman—I asked if he was the young man who had advertised—he said "Yes"—I said "Where have you been living?"—he said with Mr. Brigham, the Prince George of Cumberland, Albany Street, Regent's Park—I said "Can I see Mr. Brigham?" he said "No, he is out of business, he lives at Camden Grove North, Peckham, but he will be at a friend's house this evening at 7 o'clock, Mr. Aaron's, the George, Houndsditch, and you might see him there"—I said I would be there, and he said he would let Mr. Brigham know—I took notes of the conversation and read them over to Wright—these are the notes. (Read: "Charles Coleman lived with Mr. Brigham at the Prince George of Cumberland eight months and three weeks. Can see Mr. Brigham at the George at Houndsditch. Mr. Brigham left the Prince George, January 31st, 1878. Letters must be addressed to Coleman, 269, Old Kent Road.") The same evening I went to the George public-house, Houndsditch; Mr. Aaron was there—I asked for Mr. Brigham, and Lusby was introduced to me as Mr. Brigham—I went up to him and said "Mr. Brigham?" he said "Yes"—I asked him if he was the gentleman who had Kept the Prince George of Cumberland, Albany Street; he said "Yes;" I asked when he left, he said "At the end of January"—I asked if Charles Coleman had lived with him—he said he had—I asked how long—he said "Nine months"—I asked whether he was honest, sober and industrious—he said he was, and that he was a first-rate young man; he was only very sorry he was out of business, or he should take him back—beliving this I took Wright into my service; when he came in the evening he asked me whether his references were all right—I said yes, if he was half as good as the reference I had received from Mr. Brigham he would suit me—he was to come to work at 4 o'clock next day, Saturday—he came in the afternoon; Sergeant Smith of the City was there with a warrant, and he was taken into custody on his arrival with his portmanteau—he said nothing about Mr. Beddoe of the Royal George, or of Mr. Newland of the Swan, or the Cock in Old Street.

Cross-examined. He was only in my house five minutes, the sergeant took him as soon as he came in—it was on the 29th March that I saw Lusby in Houndsditch—I had never seen him before that I know of—I saw Mr. Aaron and asked for Mr. Brigham, and he said "This is Mr. Brigham"—he did not introduce himself.

JOHN AARON . I keep the George public-house, No. 104, Houndsditch—on 29th March Lusby came and asked me if a gentlemen had called for the name of Brigham—I said "No"—he said "I expect a gentleman here, I will sit down"—he sat down for a few minutes, got up again, and said "I can't wait," and went out—he came in again in a few minutes and said "Has the gentleman called?"—I said "No"—he said "I will go into the yard; if the gentleman calls tell him I am here;" before he reached the yard the gentleman came in and asked for Mr. Brigham; I

referred him to Lusby, I thought he was Mr. Brigham—they spoke together, what they said I don't know—I had never seen Lusby before.

MARGARET BRIGHAM . I am the wife of Mr. Brigham, who kept the Prince George of Cumberland, Albany Street, Regent's Park—he left that house on 31st January, and disposed of the business—we had been there about 18 months—Lusby was employed there as barman for about six weeks—I think I have seen Wright, but I do not know anything about him, I think he came after a situation—he was never in our service.

Cross-examined. I never noticed him in company with Lusby.

WILLIAM SMITH (City Police Sergeant). I took Wright into custody on 30th March, at Mr. Gabb's—I told him I had a warrant for his arrest, and that his name was John Wright—he said "My name is not John Wright, it is Charles Coleman"—I then read the warrant to him, Lusby's name was in it—he said he did not know the name of Lusby—he said he had been in the employment of Mr. Brigham, of the Prince George of Cumberland, for about nine months, up to the end of January—I searched his portmanteau, and amongst other things I found a shirt—I said "Here is J. Wright on the collar of this shirt, how do you account for this, you say your name is not John Wright?"—he then said that his mother had been married a second time and he sometimes passed by that name—he gave his address, 55, Camden Grove North, Peckham—about 6 o'clock the same evening I saw Lusby in a street in Clerkenwell—I said "Your name is Lusby; I am a police-officer, and I have a warrant for your arrest"—I put him in a cab and read the warrant to him—he said he did not know the name of John Wright (Wright's name was mentioned in the warrant), nor did he know the name of Brigham—I said "You have been representing yourself as Mr. Brigham"—he said "I have not, and I know nothing at all about it"—at the station the warrant was read to him again—he denied knowledge of Wright, or that he had represented himself as Mr. Brigham—he was searched and two duplicates found relating to some articles of wearing apparel—he was asked his address, he refused it, he said he had no home—I took Hennessey into custody on the afternoon of 10th April near the Elephant and Castle—I said "Your name is Hennessey, I have a warrant for your arrest for being concerned with others in giving false characters"—he said "My name is not Hennessey, it is Mears"—I put him in a cab and read the warrant to him—he said he knew no one of the name of Wright, nor had he given a false character—at the station he gave the name of Mears.

Hennessey. I plead guilty to giving a false character, but I did not do it for lucre or gain; knowing Wright for some years and believing him to be a hard-working young man I wished to speak for him.

GUILTY of conspiracy to obtain situations by false characters, but not with intent to steal. Twelve Months' Imprisonment each .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-519
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment > penal servitude

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519. ALFRED WALKER (35) and ROBERT McCARTHY (34) , Unlawfully obtaining by false pretences a cabinet from Francis Smith. Other Counts for obtaining goods from other persons, and for conspiracy to defraud.

MR. HORACE AVORY conducted the Prosecution.

EDWARD SMITH . I am clerk to Messrs. Debenham, Tewson, and Farmer, auctioneers, in Bucklesbury—in November last our firm was acting as agents for Mr. Farlow, the landlord of Commercial Wharf, in Old

Swan Lane—in the ordinary course I received a letter in respect of Commercial Warf—Walker afterwards called, and we had some conversation about the letter—this (produced) is the letter, it is simply an application to take the premises—it is headed "The Drysalters', Chemical and Drug Trades' Review, Clements House, Clements Lane," and it is signed "John Mathieson"—there is a note "Please address Proprietor, Clements House, Clements Lane"—when Walker called he represented himself as Mathieson, and we always dealt with him under that name, and no other—I asked him for his private address, and I took it down at his dictation, 40, Jeffreys Road, Clapham—we wrote to the firm of Vandeleur, Son, and Walker, of Upper Thames Street, which is referred to in this letter, and received this reply, "Vandeleur, Son, and Walker, Wholesale and Export Drysalters and Spice Merchants, 48, Upper Thames Street. We consider Mr. Mathieson thoroughly responsible and respectable, and whatever he undertakes he will carry out." I forwarded that letter to Mr. Farlow, after which this agreement (produced) was prepared in our office, and I saw Walker sign it "J. Mathieson;" it is an agreement to take that portion of the premises called Commercial Wharf, at the rent of 200l. per annum—I attested the signature.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner Walker. When I signed the agreement I took the reference from Vandeleur, Son, and Walker with me—I told Mr. Farlow that we had made inquiries, that we could ascertain nothing about Vandeleur, Son, and Walker, but nothing was known against them.

RICHARD SAYER . I am clerk and collector to Mr. Farlow, of Cannon Street; he is the landlord of Commercial Wharf, Old Swan Lane—in November last the premises were taken by Walker in the name of Mathieson—I saw him at the office constantly while the negotiations were going on—he represented himself as Mathieson—the rent was to be 200l. per annum, payable quarterly—no rent has been paid—I applied for the quarter's rent due in March—I saw McCarthy—he said that Mr. Mathieson was at Antwerp, and was expected back daily—I called repeatedly for the same purpose and saw McCarthy, and always got the same reply—I never saw Walker there—on 29th March Mr. Farlow distrained—the goods were condemned at 16l. 5s., but that included a safe which belonged to Mr. Farlow—4l. 3s. was the amount of the value of the goods.

Cross-examined by Walker. I am not aware that two detectives called on Mr. Farlow previous to 25th March; I have heard so since—I am not aware that in consequence of that Mr. Farlow called at the wharf and wanted possession of it—you had made alterations in the warehouse; put up partitions and counters; painted, grained, and glazed; had a marble top, and water laid on—the day after quarter-day (26th March) I called at the office with another man and took an inventory of the goods, and applied for the rent—I called several times on the 26th—I did not notice a copying press there—I saw an office clock—Mr. Farlow placed the inventory in Messrs. Heaps and Son's hands—McCarthy called at our office and saw me, and said if I would hand over five guineas to him and allow him to take away the goods he would give up the premises, and next day he came, and said if Mr. Farlow would grant him ten guineas he would give up possession—I objected to it.

Cross-examined by McCarthy. I expected that you came from Mr. Mathieson—I never heard anything of Mr. Walker at that time.

ERNEST ROBINSON . I am clerk in the London Bankruptcy Court—I produce the proceedings in the bankruptcy of Arthur Walker, a partner in the firm of Charles Vandeleur and Arthur Walker, of 48, Upper Thames Street—he was adjudicated bankrupt on 29th October, 1875—no dividend has been paid in respect of that bankruptcy—he is still undischarged—there is a statement of affairs signed by him.

Cross-examined by Walker. The total liabilities are 1, 823l. 14s. 6d.; the estimated assets 604l. Re-examined. That is his own statement.

CHARLES JOHN LETTS . I am a member of Letts and Co., Limited—we received an order in the ordinary course from Mathieson and Co. for goods—I afterwards saw Walker on the subject—he said that he was traveller to Mathieson, that he had given some orders for stationery, and that the assistants would not supply it, but that I might be perfectly sure it was all right—he reminded me that I had known him years before as a traveller to Messrs. Straker—he said that he was traveller at Mathieson's, and I might be sure that he would not be there if the money was not safe—I told him that I did not consider the money was safe for that reason, and that I could not supply any goods without reference—he proposed a reference to some firm of small printers, I think in Aldersgate Street, of whom I had heard before—I told him at once that was unsatisfactory, and we could not give him credit—he then left—I do not think any goods were supplied to Mathieson and Co. after that—a letter-press had been supplied previously—I was not acquainted with it, and as soon as I found it out I stopped more goods being supplied, and it was in consequence of that he came and saw me—I have no means of telling the date—we have not received any payment from Mathieson and Co.

WILLIAM HENRY PAYNE . I am a clerk in the employ of Letts and Co.—in the early part of December I saw McCarthy at our place frequently—a map of the world had been ordered in my absence and McCarthy came and said "You have not sent that map down; if your people don't pay better attention to our orders we must close the account"—I said "I will come down with the map at once"—I had not then received any instructions from Mr. Letts in reference to the account—I took the map with McCarthy to Commercial Wharf—I saw Walker there—he looked at the map and approved of it, and I left it. (The RECORDER was of opinion that no false pretence was proved in reference to the goods obtained from Messrs. Letts.)

FRANCIS SMITH . I carry on business in Gordon Street, Glasgow, as Francis and James Smith, cabinet-makers and upholsterers—we advertise—on 15th January last I received this memorandum by post, with a printed heading of Mathieson and Co.—in consequence of that I sent a catalogue of our prices to Mathieson and Co., after which this memorandum came ordering a cabinet at 33l. and containing two references—I wrote to one of them, the Dudley Iron and Coal Company, and received this reply:—"Dudley Iron and Coal Company, Limited, A. and J. Walker sole agents, London. In reply to your inquiry as to Messrs. Mathieson we consider them respectable and trustworthy people. "I then wrote to Mathieson and Co., and in reply received this memorandum dated 25th January, stating that a draft at 30 days would be forwarded immediately on receipt of the goods—upon that I sent a cabinet to the address, Commercial Wharf, by the General Steam Navigation Company,

on or about 4th February—on the 6th I received this letter enclosing this bill for 33l., drawn at one month and accepted "Mathieson and Co."—I was not satisfied with the bill and wrote to Mathieson and Co. respecting it, and received this reply of February 7th. (This stated that if the bill was declined the cabinet should be returned, especially as it was not suitable to a merchant's office, and they had been since informed that it could have been obtained for 15 per cent. less.) I replied to that letter and eventually kept the bill—when it became due it was presented through our bankers, and returned with a note annexed to it—I afterwards called at Commercial Wharf and saw the two prisoners and another man—I said "I wish to see Mr. Mathieson"—McCarthy said Mr. Mathieson was abroad, but he would bring the manager to me—he went into an adjoining room and brought Walker—I asked him if he was Mr. Mathieson?—he said no, he was the manager—I produced the bill and said "I want payment of this bill"—Walker said "We can't pay it till Monday"—I said "It must be paid"—I called his attention to the banker's note on the bill, that the bill had been presented, and the premises had been found padlocked—McCarthy said that the premises must have been closed when the man called—I then left—the bill has never been paid—before I sent the cabinet I believed that the reference that had been given from the Dudley Iron and Coal Company was a genuine reference, and that Mathieson and Co. were a good firm of merchants—that induced me to send the cabinet—I asked Walker to return the cabinet—he said "We cannot do that"—I have since seen it at the Civil Engineers' Office, in Parliament Street, and a portion of the case in which it was packed.

Cross-examined by Walker. I wrote to Messrs. Stubbs and Co. with respect to your standing—the reply was ambiguous, you might take several meanings out of it—when I called at your office I went straight upstairs and you and another gentleman came up—McCarthy was on the staircase—I asked you if you could pay the bill—you said unfortunately you could not just then and asked me to wait till Monday—I said I would not wait a day, that we had had a similar case with a Sir Gilbert Campbell, that we had put it into the hands of the police and said we would make it pretty hot for him—we had not put it in the hands of the police—any one could purchase this cabinet at our shop for 33l. retail—I am not aware that the day after I called some one on our behalf called, and that you promised to take up the bill before the end of the month—I put the matter at once in the hands of our solicitor.

JOSEPH LORMAN . I am a carman in the employ of Mr. Fardell, a carrier employed by the General Steam Navigation Company—on 4th February I delivered a large case at Commercial Wharf to Mathieson and Co.—I saw both prisoners there—McCarthy signed this delivery sheet "H. West."

JAMES CAPEL . I am a member of the firm of Oxenham and Co., Auctioneers, Oxford Street—on Wednesday, 6th February, Walker came there, and said "I have a cabinet I wish to sell by auction; can you take it in and sell it this week?"—I said "It is too late for this week's sale; we can take it in for the next week"—he then said "Can I have an advance on it?"—I said "Bring it and you can"—he brought it next day; it was a Wootten cabinet—I asked how much he wanted on it—he said "15l."—I said "You can have 10l."—he said "It cost 33l."—I said "That

might be to a private person, but not to the trade"—I advanced him the 10l., and he signed this memorandum in my book: "Memorandum of having received an advance of 10l. on goods for absolute sale, A. Walker." He gave his address at Jeffreys Road, Clapham—the cabinet was included in the sale for 15th February—I sold it—Walker was in the room at the time—it sold for 16 guineas to Mr. Prentis, of 49, Euston Square—Walker afterwards received the balance and signed a receipt for it. Cross-examined by Walker. When you called you showed me an illustrated catalogue respecting this cabinet, and said you gave 33l. for it—I told you I thought there might be 40 per cent. got off—I think 33l. was very dear for it to a tradesman—it fetched a fair auction value—I should think it was more fit for a library than an office.

FREDERICK SCHOFIELD . I am housekeeper at 62, Moorgate Street—in February last the Dudley Iron and Coal Company took an office there in the third floor back some time after Christmas—the name of the Company was put on the door—Walker came to attend to the business—he came nearly every morning for about ten minutes—he received the letters that came for the Company—I never saw any business done there.

Cross-examined by Walker. There are eight rooms in the house, two on each floor—I am not clerk and messenger to Mr. Burbidge on the first floor—I ran on messages for him—my principal place is in the office on the first floor—I cannot see everybody that comes up and down—the top floor is rented by Mr. Wollans—I have charge of the letters delivered by the postman in the morning, and I sort them into floors for delivery—Mr. Wollans comes about 9 or half-past and stays about ten minutes—he would take all the letters for the top floor up with him—I can't say what he does with them—I think I have seen you in the office of the Dudley Iron and Coal Company once or twice—a lot of people go up and down stairs—I could tell better by the state of the office than anything else whether any business was going on—I saw you on the stairs at the beginning of January, and said I wondered what had become of you—I have not seen you many times since that.

Re-examined. Mr. Wollans rents the whole of the top floor, and he underlet the back room to Walker—I heard so from my employer, Mr. Burbidge—Mr. Wollans still occupies the offices.

FRANK BONTEMS . I am a member of the firm of H. and F. Bontems, of 106, Queen Victoria Street—we are agents for the manufacture of nails, in France and elsewhere—about 28th January last I saw this advertisement in the Iron newspaper, in consequence of which I went to Commercial Wharf and saw McCarthy—I asked for Mr. Mathieson and he introduced me to Walker, he called him from another room—I told Walker that I came with reference to an advertisement which I had seen in the Iron, that we were agents for some nail manufacturers, and asked whether he could sell them—he said he had a connection with some shippers and buyers, and he asked for samples and prices, which were sent to him—he said he had some stores there and he could have our goods warehoused there—nothing was said about terms—our usual terms are 2 per cent 30 days, or nett cash, according to the standing of the parties—on 6th February I received this letter from Mathieson and Co., ordering two tons of nails in kegs of 1 cwt. each, to be delivered within 21 days—I instructed them to be sent—about the 21st February I sent the bill of lading—the invoices were sent by hand by our clerk Colland—the nails

had come from Antwerp, and were worth from 30l. to 35l.—it was the clerk's duty to take a receipt book, get a receipt for the bill of lading, and bring the book back—on the 26th February I received this further order from Mathieson and Co. for 100 kegs of different sized nails, to be delivered within 21 days; that would be about five tons, to the value of about 75l. or 80l.—I did not execute that order, we wrote that we were not sure they could be delivered within the time fixed, and asked for a reference; in reply to that we received this letter referring to the Dudley Iron and Coal Company, 62, Moorgate Street—in consequence of that I went there; I saw some person in the office and was told that Mathieson and Co. were respectable decent people and good for the amount, I mentioned 100l.—I was not satisfied with that reference and wrote to Mathieson and Co. declining to execute the order except for cash—about the end of March, after the 30 days, I applied for payment of the first order, for the 40 kegs; we have never received any payment—I instructed Mr. Chamberlain, our solicitor, in respect of it—before supplying the goods I believed the contents of the advertisement I had seen, and that Mathieson and Co. were carrying on a genuine business at Commercial Wharf; it was in consequence of that I supplied the nails to them—I afterwards saw some nails produced at the Mansion House; these are some of them; each nail has a private mark in the head; they are the same sort we supplied to Mathieson and Co.—this is the bill of lading of the 40 kegs.

Cross-examined by Walker. When I first called in answer to the advertisement I showed you some samples of nails, you said you preferred warehousing to selling them—no reference was given then or asked for—when I called on the Dudley Co. they did not tell me that they had appointed you as their agent at the wharf—you cancelled the second order in consequence of our not being able to deliver in time—when we delivered the bill of lading to you, it was your duty to deliver the goods from the ships, and pay the freight and charges, and you did so—the bill was due on 26th March; our clerk called several times between then and 6th April, when you were arrested.

HERBERT GEORGE COLLETT . I am clerk to Messrs. Bontems—on 21st February I took the bill of lading to Commercial Wharf with the receipt book—I saw McCarthy; he took the bill of lading, and signed the book "W. Thompson."

Cross-examined by McCarthy. You took the letter and the book into an inner office, and brought it back signed—I did not see it signed—who signed it I don't know.

GEORGE GILBY . I am a lighterman's apprentice—on 22nd February I received into my barge from the Baron Osy steamship 40 kegs of nails, and signed a bill of lading—I took the nails to Messrs. Mathieson's at the Commercial Wharf on the 23rd February—I delivered them to a man I cannot recognise.

ROGER BRIGHOUSE . I represent a twine manufacturer, carrying on business at Sugar Lane, Manchester—on 12th March I received a letter from Messrs. Mathieson and Co. with a printed heading of "Mathieson and Co., Merchant" (This applied for samples of cord and string)—in consequence of receiving that letter I called at Commercial Wharf on 13th March—I saw the prisoners in the office—I saw McCarthy first—I said I had come from Messrs. Brighouse, of Manchester, and I wanted to see

the master—I then had a conversation with Walker—I referred to the letter I had received, and produced samples—I asked for the sort of stuff they used, and he produced samples—I left my samples, and returned to Manchester—I received this letter of 15th March on the same printed heading (This was an order for 5 cwt. of 5 1/2 cord as per sample to be delivered within fourteen days)—470lb. of cord was sent on 27th March by the Great Northern Railway—the cord sold at 6 1/2d. a pound—the value was 12l. 17s.—in consequence of a communication I received, I went to Messrs. Beeton, auctioneers, in Basinghall Street, on 4th April—I there saw the cord I had sent—it was in three separate bundles—it is a special make, and I could swear to it—a special strand is put in for cheapness, which a man must be well up to his business to detect—I believed Mathieson and Co. were genuine merchants, or I would not have sent the cord—I have not received any payment—I should have allowed 2 1/2 per cent. discount at a month—on 6th April I had not applied for it.

Cross-examined by Walker. String looking no better would fetch 9d. a pound—the string is used by warehousemen, drapers, and drysalters.

Re-examined. I did not apply for payment, because the prisoners were in custody.

FREDERICK ARCHER . I live at 106, Pembroke Street, Caledonian Road—I am a carman employed by the Great Northern Railway—on 28th March I delivered in one of the company's vans three bales of goods at Commercial Wharf, between 11 and 12 a.m.—they were in canvas wrappers, and contained string—to the best of my belief I saw McCarthy, who signed "W. Thompson" on this delivery sheet, and paid my charges.

WILLIAM HERBERT . I live at 4, Matthew's Place, Spitalfields, and am a porter—on 28th March I had my barrow about 1 o'clock—McCarthy stopped me, and said "Will you do a job for me?"—I said "Yes"—he said "I will give you 1s. 6d."—he told me to come with him to Old Swan Lane—when I got there he loaded my barrow with two big bales of cord in canvas, and a small bale—he went with me, and I took the bales to Basinghall Street, where I left the three bales, and McCarthy paid me—I have shown Keniston the place.

JAMES WILLIAM BEASTY . I am one of the firm of Beeton and Co., auctioneers, 44, Basinghall Street—on 28th March Walker called at our premises—I had seen him before—I paid him a cheque for an advance on a sale.

FREDERICK GORE BEETON . I am an auctioneer in Basinghall Street—on 28th March Walker brought a sample of cord, which he said he wished sold by auction—he said he had about 5 cwt.—I told him I would make him an advance on it, and if he would call again I would let him know how much—he left the sample, and went away—he came again, and I said I would advance 7l. previous to the sale—he signed our agreement for sale without reserve—the cord was afterwards brought, and included in our catalogue of 5th April—in consequence of a communication from the police I withdrew the lot—Mr. Brighouse has seen the cord, which is still on our premises—this promissory note was signed by the prisoner "A. Walker"—I only knew him by that name.

Cross-examined by Walker. I had dealt with you before—you asked what class of buyers attended my sale-room, whether they bought cord, and I said "Yes, that we had a connection amongst warehousemen and

drapers"—you said you had supplied an auctioneer with rope, and he only sold at a profit—you asked for 65s. a cwt.—you said you would attend the sale to watch your own interest—we always allow that—you would have liberty to bid—I cannot say what profit it would hare realised—I think I told you rather overvalued it.

JAMES WILLIAM BEASTY (Recalled). Walker signed the memorandum form in our book—I paid the cheque for 5l. 10s. and the rest in cash to McCarthy.

Cross-examined by Walker. We sometimes get more than the value at sales—you said you would attend the sale.

Re-examined. The first time Walker gave as his address 38, Upper Thames Street, and the second time Old Swan Lane.

JAMES KENISTON (City Detective Officer). On Thursday, the 28th March, I watched the prisoner's premises at Commercial Wharf—I saw the Great Northern Railway van deliver three trusses of goods there—McCarthy received the delivery sheet from the carman—the goods were taken inside—shortly afterwards I saw McCarthy speak to a boy outside the premises—the boy handed him a pocket-knife and he went in the warehouse, where the three bales had been taken—I walked by and saw McCarthy doing something to the bales, I could not see what—McCarthy left the premises about 12.15—I saw him afterwards speaking to Herbert in Thames Street, and a barrow was taken down George Alley to Old Swan Lane—I watched them take the goods out this back way to Messrs. Beeton—on Saturday, 6th April, I arrested Walker in Dover Street, Blackfriars—I said "Mr. Walker?"—he said "My name is not Walker"—I said "Perhaps Mathieson, then?"—he said "Well, what is it you want?"—I told him I and another detective who was with me were police officers, and we were going to take him into custody, and he would be charged with obtaining a quantity of goods from various parts of the country by fraud—he said "You do not say so"—I said "Yes"—he said "I am just going to meet my wife and children, let it be till Monday; make an appointment and I will meet you"—I said "No, I cannot do any such thing"—he said "I was just going to get some money, and in three weeks' time I should have had sufficient to pay all; I have had a lot of trouble this last two years"—I took him to Bow Lane police-station—there he asked me what I thought the magistrate would do with the case at the Mansion House?—I told him I did not know—he said "What is the usual sentence in these cases?"—I said "Sometimes a sentence of penal servitude"—when arrested he was carrying a black leather bag which I handed to Sergeant Green.

Cross-examined by Walker. You asked for a warrant—I said I had not one—you said you would not go—I said I should compel you, and hailed a cab—you were charged on behalf of Messrs. Hutchinson, Smith, and other firms with obtaining goods by fraud—the cabinet and the cord were mentioned—I found on you 5l. 11s. 7 1/2d., a silver watch, two seals, a gold ring, two pairs of gloves, nine keys, an umbrella, a leather bag containing goods, and a letter—I made this list at the time—after the examination at the Mansion House you said "Give McCarthy a sovereign for me, will you, please?"—McCarthy was shortly afterwards taken into custody—I gave him a sovereign—McCarthy arrived at the office first of a morning, from 9.50 to 10 o'clock, or after—I did not see him sweep the office or clean the brass plate—there was some difficulty in watching his movements—I got permission to watch from the premises next door.

Re-examined. I watched Walker about from place to place—I seldom saw him at the premises in Old Swan Lane—I saw lots of people come there making inquiries—I saw Mr. Bontems come—the when was looked up about four o'clock—Walker and McCarthy generally met at Ludgate Hill station.

EDWARD LEE . I represent Messrs. Heaps and Son, auctioneers and brokers, who were engaged by Mr. Farlow to distrain on these premises at Commercial Wharf—I conducted the condemnation part of the business—the goods were condemned at 16l. 5s.—that included a set-off which we afterwards found belonged to the landlord of 4l. 3s.—I did not notice any account books—I took none away.

WILLIAM CROSS . I arrested McCarthy on 6th April, at Commercial Wharf, as he was leaving the premises, at 2.15 p.m.—he had just locked the door—Walker was then in custody—I told McCarthy I should take him into custody for being concerned with a man named Walker in obtaining a quantity of goods from various parts of the country by fraud—he said "I know nothing about it, I am only a servant, you cannot take me"—I told him I should have to take him to Bow Lane station—he said "Can't you let it be till Monday? Mr. Mathieson is in Antwerp, he will be back on Monday"—I said "No"—on the way he asked me who he was going to be charged with—I told him Walker—he said "I know nobody of the name of Walker, I know Mr. Mathieson"—I took him to the station—Walker was there—McCarthy gave me the address of 3, Twyford Buildings, Little Queen Street—I searched him and found these documents on him: a summons of the City of London Court against Mathieson by Mr. George Lewis for 3l. 13s.; this list of names, including Brighouse, Bontems, Letts. Smith, and others; this letter to Heaps and Son, promising to give up the premises, and signed "H. Roberts for Mathieson and Co.;" this letter, which Mr. Bontems identified, applying to Mathieson for 35l., and the sample of cord Mr. Brighouse identified—I searched McCarthy's lodgings and found a quantity of files, blue, and glue, and a large brush and some resin.

Cross-examined by McCarthy. I found 10 1/2d. on you.

WILLIAM GREEN (City Detective). I saw the prisoners in custody at Bow Lane police-station, on 6th April—Walker gave me his name as Alfred Walker—I said "Not Mathieson?"—he said "No"—he handed me a bag containing this letter—after the prisoners were charged I went to Commercial Wharf—I found a letter-book with the leaves torn out, a shorthand note book, no account books—I afterwards went to 62, Moorgate Street, the office of the Dudley Iron and Coal Company, and in the third-floor back I found a stool, an open desk, and a quantity of paper with a printed heading of "The Dudley Iron and Coal Co.," and some headed "Commercial Wharf, Old Swan Lane, London," and "Mathieson and Co."

Cross-examined by Walker. Two officers were with me when I went to Commercial Wharf on a Saturday—I went to the Dudley Iron Company on the Monday following, as I could not get in on the Saturday—I took the stationery direct to the police-office—the headings were all kept separate—I opened a large iron safe—I did not find a small key in a drawer—the stairs are very steep—there is a basement cellar, a warehouse above that, and two rooms above that—the wharf is very convenient for landing goods.

drapers"—you said you had supplied an auctioneer with rope, and he only sold at a profit—you asked for 65s. a cwt.—you said you would attend the sale to watch your own interest—we always allow that—you would have liberty to bid—I cannot say what profit it would have realised—I think I told you rather overvalued it.

JAMES WILLIAM BEASTY (Recalled). Walker signed the memorandum form in our book—I paid the cheque for 5l. 10s. and the rest in cash to McCarthy.

Cross-examined by Walker. We sometimes get more than the value at sales—you said you would attend the sale.

Re-examined. The first time Walker gave as his address 38, Upper Thames Street, and the second time Old Swan Lane.

JAMES KENISTON (City Detective Officer). On Thursday, the 28th March, I watched the prisoner's premises at Commercial Wharf—I saw the Great Northern Railway van deliver three trusses of goods there—McCarthy received the delivery sheet from the carman—the goods were taken inside—shortly afterwards I saw McCarthy speak to a boy outside the premises—the boy handed him a pocket-knife and he went in the warehouse, where the three bales had been taken—I walked by and saw McCarthy doing something to the bales, I could not see what—McCarthy left the premises about 12.15—I saw him afterwards speaking to Herbert in Thames Street, and a barrow was taken down George Alley to Old Swan Lane—I watched them take the goods out this back way to Messrs. Beeton—on Saturday, 6th April, I arrested Walker in Dover Street, Blackfriars—I said "Mr. Walker?"—he said "My name is not Walker"—I said "Perhaps Mathieson, then?"—he said "Well, what is it you want?"—I told him I and another detective who was with me were police officers, and we were going to take him into custody, and he would be charged with obtaining a quantity of goods from various parts of the country by fraud—he said "You do not say so"—I said "Yes"—he said "I am just going to meet my wife and children, let it be till Monday; make an appointment and I will meet you"—I said "No, I cannot do any such thing"—he said "I was just going to get some money, and in three weeks' time I should have had sufficient to pay all; I have had a lot of trouble this last two years"—I took him to Bow Lane police-station—there he asked me what I thought the magistrate would do with the case at the Mansion House?—I told him I did not know—he said "What is the usual sentence in these cases?"—I said "Sometimes a sentence of penal servitude"—when arrested he was carrying a black leather bag which I handed to Sergeant Green.

Cross-examined by Walker. You asked for a warrant—I said I had not one—you said you would not go—I said I should compel you, and hailed a cab—you were charged on behalf of Messrs. Hutchinson, Smith, and other firms with obtaining goods by fraud—the cabinet and the cord were mentioned—I found on you 5l. 11s. 7 1/2d., a silver watch, two seals, a gold ring, two pairs of gloves, nine keys, an umbrella, a leather bag containing goods, and a letter—I made this list at the time—after the examination at the Mansion House you said "Give McCarthy a sovereign for me, will you, please?"—McCarthy was shortly afterwards taken into custody—I gave him a sovereign—McCarthy arrived at the office first of a morning, from 9.50 to 10 O'clock, or after—I did not see him sweep the office or clean the brass plate—there was some difficulty in watching his movements—I got permission to watch from the premises next door.

Re-examined. I watched Walker about from place to place—I seldom saw him at the premises in Old Swan Lane—I saw lots of people come there making inquiries—I saw Mr. Bontems come—the wharf was locked up about four o'clock—Walker and McCarthy generally met at Ludgate Hill station.

EDWARD LEE . I represent Messrs. Heaps and Son, auctioneers and brokers, who were engaged by Mr. Farlow to distrain on these premises at Commercial Wharf—I conducted the condemnation part of the business—the goods were condemned at 16l. 5s.—that included a set-off which we afterwards found belonged to the landlord of 4l. 3s.—I did not notice any account books—I took none away.

WILLIAM CROSS . I arrested McCarthy on 6th April, at Commercial Wharf, as he was leaving the premises, at 2.15 p.m.—he had just locked the door—Walker was then in custody—I told McCarthy I should take him into custody for being concerned with a man named Walker in obtaining a quantity of goods from various parts of the country by fraud—he said "I know nothing about it, I am only a servant, you cannot take me"—I told him I should have to take him to Bow Lane station—he said "Can't you let it be till Monday? Mr. Mathieson is in Antwerp, he will be back on Monday".—I said "No"—on the way he asked me who he was going to be charged with—I told him Walker—he said "I know nobody of the name of Walker, I know Mr. Mathieson"—I took him to the station—Walker was there—McCarthy gave me the address of 3, Twyford Buildings, Little Queen Street—I searched him and found these documents on him: a summons of the City of London Court against Mathieson by Mr. George Lewis for 3l. 13s.; this list of names, including Brighouse, Bontems, Letts. Smith, and others; this letter to Heaps and Son, promising to give up the premises, and signed "H. Roberts for Mathieson and Co.;" this letter, which Mr. Bontems identified, applying to Mathieson for 35l., and the sample of cord Mr. Brighouse identified—I searched McCarthy's lodgings and found a quantity of files, blue, and glue, and a large brush and some resin. Cross-examined by McCarthy. I found 10 1/2d. on you.

WILLIAM GREEN (City Detective). I saw the prisoners in custody at Bow Lane police-station, on 6th April—Walker gave me his name as Alfred Walker—I said "Not Mathieson?"—he said "No"—he handed me a bag containing this letter—after the prisoners were charged I went to Commercial Wharf—I found a letter-book with the leaves torn out, a shorthand note book, no account books—I afterwards went to 62, Moorgate Street, the office of the Dudley Iron and Coal Company, and in the third-floor back I found a stool, an open desk, and a quantity of paper with a printed heading of "The Dudley Iron and Coal Co.," and some headed "Commercial Wharf, Old Swan Lane, London," and "Mathieson and Co."

Cross-examined by Walker. Two officers were with me when I went to Commercial Wharf on a Saturday—I went to the Dudley Iron Company on the Monday following, as I could not get in on the Saturday—I took the stationery direct to the police-office—the headings were all kept separate—I opened a large iron safe—I did not find a small key in a drawer—the stairs are very steep—there is a basement cellar, a warehouse above that, and two rooms above that—the wharf is very convenient for landing goods.

Walker, in a long address, stated that he had attempted to carry on a bona fide business at the wharf in the name of Mathieson, but owing to his wife's illness and other unfortunate circumstances, he was much pressed for means, otherwise the goods would have been paid for; that McCarthy was merely a porter at a guinea a week, an illiterate man, and knew nothing more of the business. McCarthy also stated that he was merely a servant, and was not a party to any fraud.

WALKER— GUILTY *— Five Years Penal Servitude . McCARTHY— GUILTY .— Five Years' Penal Servitude .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-520
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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520. WILLIAM SCAMMELL (36), ALEXANDER WATSON (27), WILLIAM JONES (26), HARRIET SCAMMELL (29), and ROSINA PASCOE (25) , Feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Charles Hayward, aud stealing a table-cover and other articles. Second Count—Feloniously receiving the same.

MR. J. P. GRAIN conducted the Prosecution; and MR. CROOME appeared for the two Scammells and Watson.

Upon the opening of the case MR. CROOME, on behalf of Harriet Scammell (as to whom the evidence only pointed as a receiver), submitted that she, being the wife of William Scammell, the supposed thief, could not be convicted of a felonious receiving from her husband, the possession of the property being still in him. The RECORDER being of that opinion, the case against Harriet Scammell was not pursued.

ALFRED HOCKLEY (Policeman168 S). On the afternoon of 19th March, about 2.40, I was on Finchley Road, leading from Whetstone to London, and saw Scammell and Watson with a cart, about 300 or 400 yards from the prosecutor's house—they passed me on the main road—about 4.10 I saw them again in the same cart going towards London—next morning I saw that same cart in a milk-yard in Green Street, Bethnal Green—it had on the side "William Scammell, Green Street, Bethnal Green"—when I first saw Scammell he had three or four pairs of ladies' boots hanging over his arm—I was in company with other officers when he and Watson were arrested.

Cross-examined. Neither of them were in the cart when I first saw them; Scammell was walking by the side, and Watson was walking on the same side I was, as if he did not belong to the other—I noticed the name of Bethnal Green on it at that time—I was in uniform—I did not know either of the men before—I believe a pedlars' licence was found on "Scammell at the station.

WALTER COX . I am assistant to a cowkeeper at Finchley—on 19th March, about 10 minutes to 3, I was out with my milk near the Swan with Two Necks, at Finchley, which is on the high road, and saw Scammell and Watson down Finchley Park with a pony and cart—Scammell had some shoes on his arm—Watson went across to the Swan—about half an hour afterwards I went into the Swan—Scammell was there then, and the cart was outside by the water trough—while I was there I saw Watson coming across the road from the direction of Mr. Hayward's house, and put a red and black bundle, like a table-cover, into the cart—he then came into the Swan and spoke to Scammell, who treated him to some rum—they remained there a few minutes and then went out together—I followed them out—they went across the road again; one led the pony and cart and the other went towards Mr. Hayward's house

again—that was about 10 minutes or a quarter to 4—I was on the road about 10 minutes after that, going towards London, and the same two passed me in the cart—I had noticed "Bethnal Green" on the side of the cart at the Swan, and afterwards saw that same cart at Barnet.

Cross-examined. I had never seen the men before—I did not notice whether there were boots in the cart—I heard of the robbery that same evening—the policeman came to me.

BEATRICE EMILY KIRBY . On the afternoon of 19th March, between 3 and 4, I was standing in the Finchley Road, and saw Watson get in at the window of Mr. Hayward's house—he had a knife and something else which he opened the window with—I did not see any more, I went away.

Cross-examined. I was standing in a little road that leads out of the main road—there was no one with me, I was going on an errand for my mother—I had never seen the man before—his back was towards me—I saw him in custody on the following Thursday—the police took me to see him—I knew I was going to see the man that had got into the house—all the five prisoners were together before the Magistrate—I was asked to point out the man I had seen, and I did.

HENRY MATTHEWS . I was near Mr. Hayward's house on 19th March, a little past 3—I saw Watson go into Mr. Hayward's house at the second door, and come out with a box on his shoulder; he went on the road towards London—I afterwards saw him at the police-court.

Cross-examined. I was about 20 yards from the man—I had never seen him before—his back was towards me when he went into the house—he was there about five minutes—I was spoken to by the police on the following Tuesday—I had heard it talked about a good deal in the neighbourhood.

JOHN SEARS . I am a gardener at Finchley—on Tuesday, 19th March, a little before 4, I saw Scammell and Watson in Finchley Park—Scammell was standing at the pony's head, and he picked up a piece of horse dung and rubbed it over the name that was on the cart—he then moved the cart a little way on the road, and Watson came up with a box on his shoulder—Scammell let down the tail of the cart, and the box was put in by the two—Watson then went back two or three yards—Scammell called him back, and they both got into the cart and drove off towards London—this was about 20 yards from Mr. Hayward's—the clock struck 4 directly afterwards—I afterwards saw the same cart at the station.

Cross-examined. I was standing at the gate where I am gardener—the men could see me—they were about 40 yards from me—Scammell had some boots with him.

WM. BRYANT . I am potman at the Swan, which is nearly opposite Mr. Hayward's—I was there on 19th March a little before 4, and saw Watson come across and chuck a red bundle into the cart which was standing near the water trough.

Cross-examined. I was outside the house—I had never seen the man before—I saw Watson at the station next day in the dock.

EMMA MORRIS . I live opposite Mr. Hayward's—I saw Watson speak to the boy Matthews, then walk away, look up and down the road and go into the prosecutor's house—the door was open—he did not knock—about three or four minutes afterwards I saw Scammell enter the gate, run down the garden path, put his hand on the door, turn round and look, and then walk in—I did not suspect anything wrong at the time.

Cross-examined. I was in my garden, about 40 or 50 yards from Mr. Hayward's house—there is a builder's yard between the two houses with building materials stacked up, but not opposite the door—there was nothing between us—it is my husband's yard—I had never seen the men before—I will swear to Scammell, and I believe Watson to be the other man, by his stature—I did not see the cart.

CHARLES HAYWARD . I am a schoolmaster, and live at 2, Aldborough Villas, Finchley Road—I had only taken the house about three weeks, and had just moved in—on 19th March I went out to school about 10 minutes to 2, leaving my wife at home—she has since died—I identify this coat, shirt, and the silver top of the scent-bottle as my property—they were in the house when I left on 19th—this box was left in my care by the previous tenant—I returned home soon after 4 and found that a robbery had been committed—the dining-room window had been prised open by some instrument.

JAMES GRAINGER (Policeman, S. 37). I was called in by the late Mrs. Hayward—I examined the house—there were no marks on the outer door—the hasp of the dining-room window had been forced off, and there were marks of a jemmy or some instrument having been used to prise it

CHARLES MARCHANT . I live at 25, Library Road, Old Ford, and work for a coal-merchant next door to Scammell—on Wednesday evening, 20th March, about 8, Jones came and asked me whether I would mind moving a few boxes for sixpence—I said "No"—he came back in about a quarter of an hour, and we went together to Scammell's house and brought out three boxes and put them on a barrow—Scammell was not there—Mrs. Scammell pointed out what I was to take—I and Jones took them to 515, Clayhall Road, Old Ford—this is one of the boxes—Jones and some lady took them into the house—I should not know the lady—I saw boots in two of the boxes—next night I went with Waller and other detectives and pointed out the things I had taken.

Cross-examined by Pascoe. You were not there when I took the boxes into the house.

WILLIAM WALLER (Detective K). On the morning of 20th March I went with Hockley to the Milk Yard in Green Street, Bethnal Green, and there saw a cart with the name of William Scammell, Green Street, Bethnal Green, on the side—I saw Scammell and Watson come towards the yard, and took them into custody—I told them they were charged with breaking into a house at Finchley yesterday—Scammell said "You have made a mistake, I know nothing about it; that man (Watson) is out of work, and he has been working for me about a fortnight"—I took them to Whetstone and charged them, leaving Rolfe at the Milk Yard—next evening, the 21st, I was with Rolfe and met Pascoe in the Old Ford Road; she came across and said something to Rolfe which I did not hear—I said "You had better come back with me; we are going to make a further search at your house"—we went there together—I said "We want to find those three boxes that were brought here yesterday;" she said "I know nothing about any boxes"—I searched the house, and in the back bedroom, under the bed, I found this deal box; it was then empty—in another box in the front room I found this Bible and these letters and papers, with the name of the owner, Mr. Malcolm, on them—Rolfe said "We want to see what jewellery you have"—she produced some rings

from her finger and some earrings—this watch was found on her—I said "I shall take you into custody for receiving these goods, knowing them to be stolen;" she said "I know nothing about them; I was out all day yesterday"—I then took her into custody. Pascos. I gave you the watch immediately you asked me.

WITNESS. Yes. Rolfe asked for it, and she gave it from her bosom.

William Rolfe (Detective K), I was with Waller—I took Watson, and told him he would be charged with breaking into a house near Barnet the day before—he said he had never been there—I took him to the station, and returned to the yard, where I remained till 9 that evening, when Mrs. Scammell came in—I spoke to her—she gave me a marriage certificate and a pedlar's licence in the name of Scammell—I went with her to 11, Middleton Road, Old Ford: she unlocked the door—in a corner of the room behind the door I found this shirt, with "C. Hayward" on it, and in a black bag under the bed I found this coat, and this silver top of a scent-bottle in a drawer—I took her into custody—next morning, in consequence of what she told me, I went to 515, Old Ford Road with Inspector O'Callahan—the door was opened by Jones and Pascoe together—I asked Pascoe if any one lived there named Jones—she said "Yes"—Jones came into the passage, and I said "Is your name Jones?"—he said "Yes"—I told him we were police officers, and I wanted to know if he was partner with a man named Scammell—he said he did not know any one of that name—I told him I should search the house to see if I could find any of the property that was stolen from Barnet the day before—I asked if the house belonged to him—Pascoe said she was the landlady, and all that was in it was hers—I searched the house, but found nothing relating to this matter—I took Jones to the station—I went the next evening with Waller and took Pascoe into custody for receiving the things there found—she said she was not at home when the things came there, and she knew nothing about it—I told Jones that these boxes had been found at his address—he said that Scammell had asked him to mind them for a few days for him, that he had fetched them from Scammell's house the day before, and that this particular box Mrs. Scammell had asked him to mind for a few days, and before he fetched it away he had asked her if there was anything in it that was stolen, and she said "No."

Cross-examined by Jones. You were taken into custody on suspicion of stealing the coat, but it was not identified by Mr. Hayward—you were detained upon information received afterwards.

MR. HAYWARD (Re-examined). These letters belong to Mr. Monkton, the previous occupier of my house, and this Bible also; they were in the box that was stolen.


WILLIAM SCAMMELL* and WATSON*— GUILTY of the robbery. JONES*— GUILTY of receiving. They each PLEADED GUILTY to having been previously convicted.— Ten Years' Penal Servitude .

There was another indictment against the Prisoners, upon which an ACQUITTAL (was taken as to PASCOE.

NEW COURT.—Saturday, May 11th, and Monday, May 13th, 1878.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-521
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation
SentenceMiscellaneous > sureties

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521. THOMAS SAMPSON (44) , Maliciously writing and publishing. a defamatory libel concerning John Cambden.

MR. POYNTER conducted the Prosecution; and MR. COLE the Defence.

JOHN CAMBDEN . I am an engineer, and live at 92, High Street, Shadwell; where I have carried on the business of a tobacconist about 12 years—the prisoner keeps the Globe and Pigeons opposite—I leave instructions with my daughters what they are to do with coin—on 29th March I had just come in, and the prisoner's wife came over very excited, and I heard her say to my daughter that she ought to be more careful and not bring bad money over there—my daughter said "What is the matter?"—Mrs. Sampson said "Why it is a bad one, you ought to be more careful"—I said "What is the matter, Mrs. Sampson?"—she threw a crown piece down on the counter, saying that it was a bad one, and told me to bring five good ones for it—she went out, and on Sunday, 31st March, I was very ill, but I got up and dressed myself on purpose to go over and see the prisoner—I bade him good morning, he asked me how the sciatica was—I said "Very bad, and I should not have got up if it had not been for the five-shilling piece; it is a very unpleasant business; I should like to settle it; I want no bother, and under the circumstances let us go half a piece"—he said "No, I will have all or none"—nothing else took place till 9th April, as I was ill in bed; the prisoner then came over to my shop and saw my wife—I was sleeping in the next room, with the door open—I heard him say "Now, Mrs. Cambden, I have not come to tell you I am going, I have been to Mr. De Rutzen, and he has authorised me, unless you pay me the 5s, to call a policeman and give your daughter in charge in the usual way"—my daughter afterwards wrote this for me, as I was blistered that morning, and I signed it. (This was dated April 9th, from the Witness to the Prisoner, stating that if he came any more with his intimidations he would take immediate steps to prevent him.) These words "92 opposite" at the bottom of the letter were not there when I sent it—they are not my writing—the prisoner said before the Magistrate that he wrote them, and then he denied it—on the next Wednesday, April 17th, I saw something exhibited in his window and went across and took a copy of it; it was "Notice, beware of red noses and utterers of counterfeit coin, for particulars enquire within"—my letter was also there and the words "Read the dishonest letter and sign"—but a piece of paper was pasted over those words—I never saw them uncovered—on Thursday the 18th the paper had disappeared, but the letter was still there, and a picture of a gorilla, of which this (produced) is a fac simile—over that printed in red letters was "Red face, the spacious caravans are densely crowded and contain"—that has occasioned me a great deal of annoyance up to the present time and my business has suffered.

Cross-examined. I was born in that neigh bourhood, not 100 yards off—the prisoner has lived there 10 months—this figure of a gorilla is taken from Wombwell's handbill—I cannot point out any thing in it which is like me—I have not a red nose—there is no doubt that my daughter changed a bad five-shilling piece there—I had been on good terms with the prisoner—he bears a good character in the neighbourhood.

ANN GAMBDEN . I am the prosecutor's daughter—on 29th April, from instructions I received, I took a five-shilling piece to the Globe and Pigeons for change—I asked Mrs. Sampson to see that it was a good one, as it was to be changed for a man in our shop—she examined it in my presence, and said "Oh, that is good enough," and gave me the change—she did not put it in the trier, she bounced it on the counter—about a quarter of an hour afterwards she came to our shop and brought a crown

—I do not know whether it was the same—she said that I ought to have known better than to have taken bad money over there, and not to come for change any more—she threw the crown on the counter, and said that we were to send five good shillings for it, and went out—on 9th April the prisoner came over and saw my mother—I heard him tell her that he had been to Mr. De Rutzen, not to think he was going—on Saturday, 13th April, I saw my father's letter in the prisoner's window, and a crowd there—the body of the letter was in my writing, and the signature my father's—the words "92, opposite," were not on it when it was sent—on 17th April I saw this in the window: "Read the dishonest letter and sign"—nothing was posted over it then—my father's letter was by the side of it.

Cross-examined. I sell sweets to children as well as tobacco.

WILLIAM NASH . I am in the prosecutor's service—on 13th April my attention was called to a crowd looking in at the prisoner's window—Mr. Cambden's letter was there and this notice along side it—I took this copy of it: "Beware of those with red noses and utterers of counterfeit coin; for particulars apply within. Read the dishonest letter of 9th instant, and sign"—that is a true copy—on the following "Wednesday I saw the same notice," Read the dishonest letter, "but that was cut off or else a piece of plain paper put over it—it was a blank—a crowd at the window made me notice it—my uncle's letter was in the window, and a gorilla placed alongside it with the words, "The spacious caravans are crowded and contain": that was placed so as to run on, "and contain yours truly, see opposite" (The picture)—I served a notice to produce on the defendant, who said, "Do you think you are going to frighten me with that bit of trash? there is the letter in the window—" I said "Will you give it to me?"—he said "No; it is not likely."

Cross-examined. The notice was dated 18th April, it was to produce the picture of the gorilla and the letter.

RICHARD HURST . I live at Peabody Buildings, Shadwell, at the back of the prisoner's house—on 13th April I saw some people looking in at the window, and saw a notice and a letter—I believe this is a copy of it—it said, "For particulars, apply within"—the notice was still there on the Monday, and I applied within, saw the prisoner, and said, "What is the meaning of those papers in the window?"—he did not answer at once, but went away and served somebody else—he then jerked his thumb over his shoulder towards the window, and said, "This person opposite"—I said "Don't you think it is wrong to have them in the window?"—he said, "I know what I am about."

Cross-examined. I was not examined at the police-court—I have known the prosecutor about nine years—nobody sent me to the prisoner's house, nor had I any conversation with the prosecutor—I went of my own accord—I have been in and out of the defendant's house but do not suppose I have known him nine months.

BENJAMIN STUBBINOS (Policeman K 369). I am warrant officer at the Thames police-court—I served a summons at the defendant's address on Thursday, 18th April, but not on him—I saw something exposed in the window but did not take notice of it. The Prisoner received a good character.

GUILTY. Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor. To enter into recognizances to appear next Session to receive judgment if called upon .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-522
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty; Not Guilty > no evidence; Guilty > with recommendation
SentencesImprisonment; Miscellaneous

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522. JOHN WILLIAM CHAPMAN (33) and WILLIAM BARRATT (24) , Stealing 61b. of beef of Frederick Spiers and another. Second Count charging Barratt with feloniously receiving the same. BARRATT PLEADED GUILTY to receiving, and in order to make him a competent witness MR. BESLEY, for the Prosecution, offered no evidence against him on the First County upon which the JURY found a verdict of NOT GUILTY of stealing.

MR. COLE defended Chapman.

ALFRED SCRIVENER (City Policeman 892). I have been seven years in the force—on Saturday night, 20th April, I had received directions to watch the shop of Spiers and Pond in Water Lane—I did not know Barratt, but his description was supplied to me and I saw him about 4.30 that afternoon in the Blue Last public-house, near Spiers and Pond's—he Corresponded with the description—I waited till he came out and followed him to Spiers and Pond's, where I saw Chapman on the footway in front of a slab where the meat was—he stood by Chapman's side a few minutes speaking to him—Chapman then picked up a piece of beef, held it up, placed it on the slab again, and drew it to the edge of the slab—Barratt held his hands under the slab and Chapman put the meat into them—Barratt put it under his coat and walked on without going into the shop—the beef was not given to the scale man to weigh, nor was any paper wrapped round it—I went alter Barratt and took the beef from him—he was searched and 1s. 2d, was found on him—I went back and charged Chapman with stealing a piece of beef, and said that a man already in custody would be charged with receiving it knowing it to be stolen—he said "I have given no man any meat," and at the station he said in answer to Mr. Maxtead, the manager, "If the man took it he stole it"—I searched him and found on him 1l. 6s. 3d.—I went to his lodging, 4, Printing House Lane, near Spiers and Pond's shop, and in a box at the side of the bed I found this purse containing 30l. in gold—when I watched Barratt I stood within 10 yards of the shop—two women customers were in the shop.

Cross-examined. Spiers and Pond are large butchers, and they have a fish shop a little lower down—carts were outside both shops—I was opposite the shop when Barratt went up, and the street is only 11 yards wide—I was looking for about a minute—I took Barratt about 20 yards from the Blue Last, took him to the station and went back to take Chapman about 10 minutes afterwards—I had been watching the shop for three weeks, but only on Saturdays—two or three women were outside the shop speaking to Chapman after Barrett left—I say to-day that Chapman pushed the meat along the slab, I said at the police-court "Chapman took It from the slab and handed it to Barratt"—I saw no money pass when I arrested Barratt, he said that he bought it at the Meat Market—Barratt said at the police-court that he had never seen Chapman before; Chapman asked him—I had no conversation with Barratt at Guildhall police-court; I saw him in the cell—he spoke to me in the dock—I did not say "Be sure you tell the Magistrate that you gave Chapman 2s. for the meat."

Re-examined. I said at the Court that I was 10 or 12 yards off, but I had not then measured the street—I explained to the Magistrate, Sir Andrew Lusk, that the meat was slipped along—writing down "handed it to Barratt," was not my doing but the clerk's—I had watched on the 6th and 13th, but did not see Burratt—Chapman was only outside on Saturdays

—the fish shop is divided from the butcher's by number of arches and is a long way down the street; a cart in front of it would not prevent my seeing what was going on—no cart intervened between me and the prisoners.

WILLIAM BARRATT (This Prisoner). I was in the employ of the Westminster Civil Service Association, almost opposite Ludgate Hill station—before I knew Chapman I bought meat at Spiers and Pond's; it was weighed and I invariably paid for it at the desk in the shop—you must go into the shop before you can get to the desk, which is about six feet from the outside—on a Saturday some weeks before I was in custody I went and asked Chapman the price of several pieces of meat; he told me and I said that it was more than I could afford—he said you can buy a piece outside if you like—I said "What do you mean?" he said "Give me what I ask and you can have the meat"—I asked him what he wanted for a piece of pork—he said "A couple of bob," meaning 2s.—I gave him 2s. and he gave me the meat—that was the first time I had any dealings with him—I did not enter the shop or go to the counter—the meat was not weighed—on Saturday, 20th April, I was at the Blue Last—I was not aware that I was followed and watched—I went to Spiers and Pond's about 6.30., and placed myself on Chapman's right hand, who was outside attending to the slab—I said "Good afternoon"—he said "Halloa"—I said "What is the price of that piece of meat against your arm?"—he said "2s.," which I gave him—he gave me the meat and I put it under my coat—I did not go into the shop—I was followed and taken into custody—I tendered a statement voluntarily at the police-court—no influence was used to induce me to do so—no hope or promise was held out to me.

Cross-examined, I told the officer that I got the meat at the Meat Market, that was a lie—Chapman asked me at Guildhall "Do you know me?"—I said "No"—I did not know his name till the charge was brought—to the best of my recollection I did not say "I have never seen you before"—when I pleaded guilty here I said that I received the meat from the man, but I paid him for it—I did not say "I got the meat but I don't know how I got it"—I said that I thought it was not altogether right—I am a porter and had been at work seven months at this Association, before that I worked at Herbert's, 54, Ludgate Hill, and before that at Norman and Redmon's, Old Compton Street, Soho, for six months, and at Clements and Co., St. James's Square, from 12th July, 1875, to May, 1876—these are my testimonials.

Re-examined. I am 24 years old—there has never been any charge of felony against me—Mr. Herbert does not give me a character because I have left him twelve months—he has nothing to say against me—I have never been guilty of any dishonesty.

HENRY MAXTEAD , I am manager to Spiers and Pond, of Water Lane—Chapman has been in their employ seven months, at 35s. a week—he lived out—I had paid him his wages on the Saturday previous—he had no right to pass meat to a customer—he served outside on Saturdays only, and it was his duty to sell the meat outside, to induce people to buy it, and then to pass it in to the scale man to weigh it, and the customer comes into the shop, pays for it at the desk, and takes it away—all money should be taken inside—Chapman had no right to take money at all—this meat weighed 61b. and the value of it was 5s.

Cross-examined. We had a very good character with Chapman—I know nothing else against him—we employ 17 or 18 hands—he throws or pushes

the meat inside to be weighed—customers do sometimes take up a piece of meat and go into the shop with it, but they are generally told to take it out again.

Re-examined. I cannot say whether there were any vehicles outside the shop on this evening—I never heard that Chapman accounted for the 2s.

CHAPMAN received a good character. GUILTY .

Both Prisoners were recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor and the Jury.— One Month's Imprisonment each without hard labour, and chapman to pay the expenses of the Prosecution .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-523
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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523. JOSEPH COX MARSH (49) , Unlawfully depositing by way of pledge and security certain goods entrusted to him as agent.

MR. CHARLES MATHEWS conducted the Prosecution; and MR. STRAIGHT the Defence.

ROBERT FULTON MULLINS . I am a partner in the firm of Mullins, Higura, and Co, of New York, Shipping and Commission Agents—in September last the prisoner was appointed our London agent under this agreement (produced)—on his getting samples from us, his duty was to show them to people who came to buy, and forward the orders to us for our approval, and if we approved of the purchaser we executed the order, and sent the goods to their destination—we invoiced them to the purchaser, and sent the prisoner a copy of the invoice under the terms of this agreement—the bills of lading ordinarily would go to the purchaser, and in this case we sent two to the prisoner by his request, as it was to be collected on delivery—this was not usual, but we did it to protect ourselves—the money was to be collected on the delivery of the bill of lading—in December last we received an order for 130 kegs of nails for Frederick Smith, of London, but they were to be consigned to Glasgow—on the 4th January we dispatched them to Glasgow, ex Bolivia—the invoice was made out to Frederick Smith, but we put it in our letter to the prisoner—Smith's letter was in an interior envelope—in February we received an order from the prisoner for 122 kegs of nails, and 22 cases of hardware for William Rose—this was shipped on 13th February on the Anglia, from New York to London—the voyage would take about ten days—the consignment was gent to Mr. Ross, and a copy of the invoice and the bill of lading to the prisoner—they embraced the nails and the hardware—we afterwards received this letter from the prisoner by post. (This was dated 9th February, 1878, from the prisoner to Messrs. Mullins, stating that Mr. Perry's connection with the firm had ceased in consequence of his incapacity for business; that he was endeavouring to obtain a partner, and expected to receive several amounts on account of goods next week, and requesting Messrs. Mullins to allow him to place the same to his credit and if so to cable to him "Agreeable.") The consignment on the Bolivia would arrive on 16th or 17th January in ordinary course, and that by the Anglia about 23rd February—the last paragraph in our letter referred to 93l., which the prisoner was collecting for Mr. Smith—that was all that was belonging to us on this side of the Atlantic—we did not understand that the goods coming forward next week were the goods which were the subject of Mr. Boss's consignment—he did not know that any goods were shipped by Mr. Ross—we thought he referred to the outstanding account due from Mr. Smith—we sent him this telegram "Agreeable"

in consequence of his request for us to allow him to place to his credit certain funds which could not amount to more than 93l., and therefore we agreed to advance him that amount to help him, and our subsequent letter of the 6th explains that—we meant him to take it and use it for the expenses of the office—I wrote this letter on 6th March. (This was to J, C. Marsh and Co., and referred to nails, citron fruits, and other articles., and stated "In answer to yours we cabled Agreeable.") Under that letter the prisoner might pay in 93l. or 101l.—I subsequently received from him this letter dated 14th March. (This acknowledged the receipt of a bill of lading and of a sample lot of oils; remarking on the different markets, and requesting to be allowed to place 500l. to Messrs. Brown's credit.) We did not comply with that request—no such arrangement, had been contemplated—that was not Brown, Janson, and Co., but Brown, Shipley, and Co., of London—that was the first we ever heard of the arrangement, and on 26th March, on the receipt of that letter, we sent this telegram to the prisoner: "Hold goods, particulars Thursday," in answer to which he telegraphed "Goods held, amount needed advised"—he had instructed Brown, Shipley, and Co.—that was the first suggestion that 500l. was to be paid to them—he wrote to us saying he had several houses connected with Brown, Janson, and Co., and recommended us to do our business through Brown, Shipley, and Co.—we assented to that, but wrote to him telling him instead of either of them to pay the deposit into the Union Bank of London—I left New York on 27th March, and arrived here on 9th April—I called at the prisoner's office that day, and asked him what had become of the goods—he said that they were in store all right at 52, Lime Street—I asked him how it was he consented to take orders from irresponsible people—he said that he was assured that they would take them up on arrival—I expressed dissatisfaction, and he said that it was no use talking so harshly to him, there was but a little profit lost, a little difference in price, but he held the goods, and he volunteered to pay whatever loss we sustained on account of their non-arrival—nothing Was said about the bills of lading that day—that was all the conversation appertaining to the goods—I saw him again on the 10th or 11th, having reason to suspect that everything was not right, and asked him to deliver me the bills of lading, or whatever he had to show his title to the goods he had in store—after some hesitation he rang for his clerk, and asked him to bring in a certain paper—he then told me that he had given up the bill of lading—I said "Then give me the receipt or whatever else you received in its place"—he said that he had no receipt—I said "But you must have something to show what your goods are, some consignment from the warehouseman"—the clerk handed him a paper which he handed to me—it was simply a memorandum of loan by Davis and Turner of these goods on 18th March—this is a copy of it. (This was a receipt for 200l., for which 132 kegs of nails and 21 kegs of hardware were deposited as security, with permission to sell the same if the 200l. was not repaid by 13th April, 1878. Signed J. C. Marsh.) This other memorandum is the same with the exception of the power of sale—I asked the prisoner what he meant by pawning our goods—he said that he needed some money, and had put them in store there, and Davis and Turner had advanced the money—I said "You had no right to do that, and you know it"—he said "I did not get the 200l., I only got 150l.," and explained that 25l., was an old debt by him to them—I said "Why did you pawn our goods to

pay your old debts?"—he said that a package of samples of pistols and guns that we sent to Davis and Co. as express agents, directed J. C. Marsh and Co., were detained by them for the old debt of 25l., and to liberate them he had, at the suggestion of Davis and Co., deposited these two lots of merchandise shipped to Smith and Ross, thereby getting his express package and a further advance of 151l. odd, which, together with the charges and freight from New York, made up 200l. and over—I told him to take the memorandum of loan and endorse it, which he did—I expressed my dissatisfaction and left the office—I visited him again with Mr. Heritage, my solicitor, who asked him if he admitted that he was our agent—he said "Certainly"—he was asked if, when he pawned the goods, he knew that he had no right to pawn them—he said "Yes"—he was asked how he intended to give us back our goods—he said that he had no means, for he had not 5l. in the world—the invoice form of the consignment to Ross is 327l. 5s. 1d., and the other 93l. 19s. 7d.—under clause 2 of the agreement we have to pay half the rent and furniture, and we have paid 153l. down to 31st December, 1877, which is the half—no more rent became due till 1st April, 1878—nothing was due in March for rent or furniture.

Cross-examined. My firm contemplated doing a large business in this country—we were to send over any American goods that we bought—the prisoner did not complain of the nails that we sent—we sold them from samples—he did not say that Mr. Ross had complained—he said that they were a bad assortment, and he expected a heavy loss—there are only two transactions which refer to bills of lading, except samples, and for those two we sent bills of lading—we shipped a little sample of oil from New York on 25th or 27th February to a gentleman in Middlesborough, to have them transhipped to the steamer at Black Eagle Wharf, London—we are agents, and we sent a bill of lading to him—an account was rendered to us of the three first months of the business, that carried it up to 31st December inclusive; the next account, up to the end of March, would be returned on lst April—I was not asked before the Magistrate about the conversation with Mr. Heritage—a warrant was applied for on 12th or 13th—I should say 25l. would be due for the first of those shipments.

Re-examined. I sent the telegram to the prisoner on 9th March augmenting my instructions in my letter of the 6th by the words, "Follow financial instructions. Letter 6"—in reply to which I received the telegram "Agreeable."

ALFRED DAVIS . I am a member of the firm of Davis, Turner, and Co., of 52, Lime Street, City—I have known the prisoner between two and three years—about two years ago he contracted a debt of 25l. to my firm, which remained owing, and I did not see him again till 11th March this year—it was just before the Philadelphia Exhibition, two years ago, and we saw him on his return eight months after the opening—that brings us to the beginning of 1877—I only saw him in the street then, and I do not think anything was said about the debtearly in March this year we received a case of revolvers from our New York agents to be delivered to the prisoner; he wrote to us and we replied that we should be happy to send them if he would send us a cheque for the 25l.—(that debt had been contracted by his asking us to advance it to him, and to receive payment out of his commission when

he was at the Philadelphia Exhibition—we had no security except a letter—he had been introduced to us by Mr. Sangster, the umbrella manufacturer—when the prisoner failed to pay we applied to Mr. Sangster)—just before March 11th I called on the prisoner and asked him what he was going to do—he said that he wanted the case of revolvers very urgently, and that he would pay me the 25l., but he did not name a date; I said that a bird in the hand was worth two in the bush, and I should prefer to keep the case of guns—I should think it was worth 25l., because there were several guns in it; he said "I must have the money down"—he said that he would send me on a cheque—he then read a paragraph from the letter of a firm in New York. (This was "If you have no objection, we will place the same goods to your credit; if that meets your views please cable us.") He showed me the cable—I told him to come round in the afternoon and see my partner as well as myself, and we can go into the matter"—he did not then tell me on whose behalf he was acting in London—I had never heard the name of Mullins and Co.—I saw under his name, "Agent for Mullins and Co.," but I could not have told what it was—I knew he was an agent, nothing more—he came in the afternoon and saw Mr. Foster and myself, and we agreed to make him an advance of 200l. on the receipt of the goods, and being satisfied that they were worth it—he asked us to make an advance at once, but we replied that till we got the goods we could not—he did not produce the bills of lading—I told him that on leaving the delivery orders of Pickford, where the goods were warehoused, we should not mind letting him have 50l.—he assented, and my impression is that he wrote out in our office a delivery order to Pickford's to deliver the goods to us, and we received this letter (produced) from Pickford's agreeing to do so—Pickford's are sure to have the delivery order—as to the other goods an order was handed to us by Messrs. Henderson, of Glasgow, to deliver them to us—they are the proprietors of the Anchor line—the prisoner gave the two delivery orders to me, and then he went with our clerk to Pickford's, who got this letter (produced) from them, and then handed the prisoner 50l. in Pickford's place, I think, and got this receipt—on the larger consignment we advanced 350l.: it was agreed that the 25l. should be included in the advance, and we were to hand him over the case of revolvers, which we did on, I think, the 13th—on the 15th a further advance of 50l. was made to him. This was for a further sum of 50l., at 2 1/2 per cent, interest, with liberty to dispose of the goods if not redeemed within a month.) The interest and commission were 5l.—I did not think it necessary to inquire whose agent the prisoner was, because he showed me this letter and telegram authorising him to do it—the bills of lading were never in my hands, and my impression is that the prisoner came once or twice between the 18th and the 18th to see if the goods had arrived from Glasgow—on the receipt of the goods we should make the advance—Pickford's had delivered by the 13th, and thence the further advance—the goods arrived on 18th March at Carron Wharf, London, and on that day we made the prisoner a further advance of 51l. 16s. 11d., and 18l. 3s. 1d. was paid for charges on Smith's consignment—taking those four sums together and the charges for freight, that made up the 200l., including 5l. for interest and commission—we gave the prisoner this memorandum of deposit on the 18th. (This was endorsed, "On payment of 200l., please deliver to F. Mullins or order the goods

herein mentioned, J. C. Marsh.") This is the receipt. (Read: "Received of Davis and Co. 200l., being an advance upon 132 kegs of nails and 22 kegs of hardware belonging to me, which I place in your hands as security for 200l., and I agree that unless the amount be paid you by me before 13th April, 1878, you shall be at liberty to sell the above goods, and your receipt shall be sufficient discharge to me for the same. J. C. Marsh.") We sent a lighter alongside for the goods, but we left them at the docks, we did not have them at our warehouse—the delivery was subsequent to the 18th.

Cross-examined. I should think the amount of the freight on Ross's consignment to London was 30l. or 40l.; 25l. for Ross's goods and 18l. for Smith's—the amount upon the revolvers was paid.

By the COURT. It is not unusual to lend money to an agent with an undisclosed principal, under the circumstances; we had no objection to do so.

JOHN MOSS (City Detective Sergeant). On 16th April I received a warrant, and took the prisoner on it at his office in Gresham Street—I read the warrant to him, and he said that he had a full answer to the charge—I took him to the station, and found on him 1l. 3s. 1d., some letters not referring to this business, and two memoranda of deposits dated 11th and 18th March.

R. F. Mullins (Re-examined). The purchaser would pay the freight upon goods consigned in this way—the bills of lading were to be handed by the prisoner to the purchasers on the receipt of the cash—this "Mullins, Higura, and Co." is my writing, and the "J. C. Marsh" is the prisoner's,

By MR. STRAIGHT. The rent of the office was 330l. a year—it was not through my instrumentality that Mr. Woodhead was sent down to see the prisoner before he was taken in custody—I instructed nobody to go and see him—our instructions were that the rent was not to exceed 200l., but it was necessary to have a little more room and we consented to take another office—we were to pay 115l. a year out of 165l., the difference was on account of certain business which he said he could send us from England—we were to act for houses in England, and if there was a commission of 5l. per cent, we were to divide it equally—he only had authority to send us any consignments which we authorised.

JAMES WOODHEAD . I am a clerk, and was employed by the prisoner in January—I remember receiving the advice of the consignment of Mr. Smith's goods to Glasgow—I knew by the letter that they were restricted, and received instructions from Mr. Marsh about the beginning of February not to inform Mullins that they had been restricted—I had an advice from New York that Mr. Ross's goods were shipped—I think they arrived after I left Marsh's service on 1st March;—he gave me no instructions about them.

Cross-examined. I entered his employ on 1st January—I had about 2l. 10s. a week—it was not salary, it was expenses—I kept the books—the prisoner was to do all the business that Mullins and Co. sent to him, and he was endeavouring to sell the goods from the samples they sent—I know nothing of the revolvers, they arrived after I left; I do not know that they were sent to the Horse Guards—Mr. Taylor was a former partner of Marsh's, and Mr. Pelly was another—I made out the account sent to Messrs. Mullins on 31st December; it was correct, as the books

show—I first met Mr. Mullins accidentally in the office of Mr. Gamble, in St. Swithin's Lane, not by appointment—Mr. Taylor introduced me to him, and he told me that he had not been in London many days—Mr. Marsh sent a letter, saying that he was in great trouble and wanted to be liberated, and I suggested that I should go down to Lewisham and see Mrs. Marsh, and 1 went to her house.

Re-examined. I have seen Mr. Smith at our office once or twice—he is a friend of Mr. Marsh, I understand—I know nothing with regard to his responsibility—I do not think he is a moneyed man, he could not take up a bill of lading—I saw him at the office nearly every morning—the call-book will show that—you would not have got me here unless I had been subpoenaed—I know nothing of Mr. Ross—I went to him once to try and get something out of him, but he was not at home.

The Prisoner received a good character.

GUILTY .— Nine Months' Imprisonment .


Before Mr. Recorder.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-525
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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525. JAMES COOLHARVEY (82) , Stealing 6s. of the Great Eastern Railway Company.

MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS conducted the Prosecution: and MR. FRITH (the Defence,

ALFERD GEORGE RAINE . I am booking clerk at the main line, Stratford station, of the Great Eastern Railway—on the morning of 1st May, about 6.15, I was inside the booking office—there was some money lying a little on one side of the window—I saw a man's hand and arm come through the opening, I ran towards it and it was instantly withdrawn with some silver in it, and I could see the prisoner in the act of walking sharply from the window—I shouted out and ran out of the office as quickly as possible and caught him outside the station—there was no one else in the outer office—I stopped him and accused him of taking some money from the booking window—he said he had done no such thing, he was a respectable man, and he knew what money he had in his possession—I brought him back into the office—he then said that he had a pound in his pocket—he took his hand out of his left-hand pocket with a purse and emptied the contents into his right hand, which already had some coins in it—a constable was sent for and he was given in charge—18s. altogether was found, with the money in his purse and in his hand—I missed 6s. from my cash.

Cross-examined, I could see the man's side face through the aperture as he was going round the corner—there was no train for 20 minutes—there is a public-house some distance off.

Re-examined. I saw the coin in his hand when the hand was withdrawn. I am quite sure there was no one else in the office but the prisoner.

GEORGE BOUTAL . I am office porter at the Stratford station—at a little past six in the morning of 1st May I saw the prisoner come to the Booking office—he asked me the next train to London—I said we had no train till 25 minutes to seven, and I advised him to go to Stratford Bridge to catch the 6.15 train—he went out, as I thought, to go there

about 6.15 he came in again and went and stood against the London window—he then shifted a little towards the Cambridge window, where the money was taken from—I had occasion to go into the cloak room, and as soon as I had unlocked the door and got inside I heard the booking clerk call out very sharply—I was at the door instantly and saw the prisoner making towards the door out of the station, from the booking office window—when he saw me he stopped—the booking clerk came up at the same time, caught hold of him, and accused him of taking money from the window—I saw some coins in his right hand—he put his hand in his left-hand pocket, pulled out a purse, and emptied the contents into his right hand, where I had already seen the coins—he said he knew what money he had got—we asked him what—he said "A pound"—it was counted and there was 18s.—at the time I saw him walking away from the window there was no one else there.

Cross-examined. I could not see what coins they were in his hand—I could see they were silver and rather large coin, whether half-crowns or two-shilling pieces I could not say—he said he was a respectable man, that he did not do it, that he had a wife at home; he had come out to buy some fish; he was a fish dealer, and he went up to London most every morning—Stratford Bridge station is about a quarter of a mile from ours, it could easily be walked in 10 minutes—there is a public-house at Stratford called the Railway Hotel—I believe it was open at six o'clock.

GEORGE YOUNG (Policeman 53 KR ), The prisoner was given in my charge—he said "I will go with you; I never took the money—at the station 18s. 4d. was found on him. The Prisoner received a good character,

GUILTY .— Four Months Imprisonment ,

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-526
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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526. WILLIAM HORNER (32) , Feloniously Wounding James Spencer, with intent to do grievous bodily harm.

MR. DAVIS conducted the Prosecution: and MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS the Defence.

JAMES SPENCER . I am a silk warehouseman and live at 2, Eliza Cottages, Plaistow Park—on 9th February, about 10 minutes to 11, I left home with my little girl to get some beer for the next day's dinner—I went to the Libra Arms, got the beer and sent it home—I stood for a moment talking to some one—I heard a woman scream and saw some man running—I walked quietly over and saw a woman with blood running down her face—I advised her to go home immediately—as I left her I saw the prisoner struggling with a man who he threw down—there were other persons about at the time, some behind me—I hesitated a moment and the prisoner rushed at me and I felt a pricking sensation in the abdomen; I put my hand down and found my bowels protruding—I did not feel the blow—the prisoner then ran away—I walked with the assistance of two men, and a surgeon attended to me—I saw the prisoner again the same night, I said I would not positively swear to him; he was brought to me by the police; I then thought I was dying—a Magistrate examined me upon the certificate of a surgeon—my impression now is that the prisoner is the man—I was on my back in bed for eight weeks, and I am still sufferring from the effects of the injury.

Cross-examined. When the prisoner was brought to me I said "It was

done in a moment"—I don't remember saying "it was dark"—I was perfectly sober—I said "I will not positively swear he was there, he was a tall man, something like this man, I saw him in the dark."

Re-examined. I was examined again before the Magistrate on 23rd March, when I was better; I then said "I cannot positively swear to the prisoner, but I fully believe it was him"—that is my impression now.

HENRY HUGHES BROOKS. I am a grocer—on the night of the 9th February, about 11, I saw some women standing in front of my shop, which is near the Libra Arms—they were quarrelling—I saw the prisoner standing with some women farther down the road—these women were complaining that they had been struck by the woman who was standing with the prisoner, and they were saying what they would do to her, and they went back to her and the prisoner and they had a bit of a souffle together; the prisoner lifted up a large iron pipe and let it fall on the head of Julia Banfield, and knocked her down; he then threw the pipe over a fence—several men came up and spoke to him, and he and another man began to spar; they had a sort of running fight till they got close to the libra Arms, I followed them—he men made a rush at the prosecutor who stood in front of me, and then suddenly turned round and ran away without his cap—he made a blow at the lower part of the prosecutor's body—he said "I have been stabbed"—a constable then came up.

Cross-examined. There were about eight people there altogether—the women had been scuffling together—the prisoner had the iron pipe in his hand—I saw no knife—I fancied he was trying to trip the prosecutor up with his hand—I saw the beginning of the disturbance, it began about 20 yards from where the prosecutor was stabbed—there Were about half a dozen persons there at that time.

WILLIAM SHAYLING (Policeman 99 K), I was on duty and heard some calls for police and ran up, I found five or six people standing there—from what I was told I went to the prosecutor's house—I found him lying on a couch—I then went and apprehended the prisoner—I told him the charge—he made no reply—I asked him for a knife, he took the one produced from his trousers pocket—I noticed that the big blade had some stains on it, and the small blade had been fresh broken off—I took him to the station and went to the place where the assault had been committed, and found this cap there which the prisoner afterwards said was his, and put it on.

Cross-examined. I stated before the Magistrate that I noticed stains on the big blade—I did not say that the blade appeared free from recent marks; I swear that—I see the words in the deposition but it is a mistake—I signed my name, but it was not read over to me—I showed the knife to the inspector—he is not here.

JOHN BENCE . I am a surgeon at Plaistow—on 9th February I was called to see the prosecutor—he was lying on a sofa and his intestines protruding—he had been stabbed about an inch and a half below the navel—I should say this small blade would be likely to make such a wound—he was in a very weak, bad state—he had lost little or no blood—it was a highly dangerous wound; I apprehended his death and gave a certificate to that effect, and had a Magistrate called in to take his depositions—I left him in charge of Dr. Howse and attended him afterwards every six hours—I replaced the bowels and sewed up the wound—he in

proved—I have had considerable experience in such wounds, the general result is death—he is not out of medical treatment yet; he is ruined for life, he will have chronic hernia and be prevented from lifting weights, or running, or any violent physical exercise.

Cross-examined. This knife was handed to me by the policeman, who stated there were some stains on it—I only saw a little tobacco—I should expect to find blood stains on a knife from such a stab; not much, but in the nick where the nail goes to open it—it must have been a heavy thrust—the prisoner has always borne the character of a peaceable, quiet man in the neighbourhood—such a wound would not break the knife—it seemed to be a friendly quarrel among the women.

GUILTY .— Nine Months' Imprisonment .


Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-527
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown

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527. THOMAS BRADSHAW (29) and THOMAS MOORE (31) , Stealing a watch of John Kedge from his person, to which BRADSHAW PLEADED GUILTY .

MR. MILLWOOD conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN KEDGE . I am a mariner, of 39, Bolton Road, East Greenwich—at about 8.30 p.m. on Good Friday, 19th April, I was going up the steps of a waxwork show at Greenwich—I went first and my wife had hold of my coat—I noticed Bradshaw by my side—I felt a pull and put my hand up and found my watch and part of my chain gone—Bradshaw turned round to get away—my wife having hold of the hind part of my coat threw Bradshaw down and I fell on him and we had a struggle on the ground—1 got up and called "Police!"—he got up and the watch was lying where he had lain—another man, who is not here, picked it up and said "Here is your watch" three times—I could not get at it; I was holding Bradshaw—I gave him into custody—the other man had gone—I have not seen my watch since.

JANE KEDGE . I am the wife of the last witness—I had hold of his coat to guide myself as I had a child in my arms—I was nearly knocked over by Bradshaw trying to pass between my husband and me—I then saw Bradshaw on the ground and my husband on top of him—I thought my husband was dropping into him for knocking me over with the child—I then saw my husband's watch pass from Bradshaw's into Moore's hand—I screamed out "That is my husband's watch," and if it had not been for the child I should have caught it—I heard Moore say two or three times "I have got the watch," and I turned round and he was gone—on 25th April I was sent for to Greenwich station, where I found eight or nine men placed in the yard and I recognised Moore who took the watch from Bradshaw—I feel certain he is the man.

Cross-examined by Moore. As soon as I looked at you the face came to me—I believe I said "I believe this is the man."

JAMES DAWKINS (Inspector R Division). I was in a crowd at Strait's Mouth, Greenwich, and found Bradshaw being held by Kedge, who charged him with having stolen his watch, and gave him into my custody—Bradshaw said that Kedge had been offered his watch five or six times, and would not take it—a man in the crowd said to Bradshaw "You stole

it, find another man ran away with it"—Bradshaw made no reply—I took him to the station, searched him, and found nothing on him—I do not know Moore—Mrs. Kedge gave a description of him the same evening, by which he was apprehended—there was a glaring light from naphtha lamps in front of the show at the time of the robbery.

WILLIAM MUSGROVE . I am an officer of the H Division of the Criminal Investigation Department—I received information of the robbery, and from a description I apprehended Moore on a Thursday morning at a barber's shop in Brick Lane, Whitechapel—I told him I should take him on suspicion of being concerned with another man named "Tommy" for stealing a watch at Greenwich—he said he knew nothing about it, he didn't do it, but he knew who did—I took him to the station, and he asked me not to let the inspector see him who had Bradshaw in custody until he was placed with some other persons, so as to give him a fair chance—I complied, and took him into a library apart from the station—he was subsequently placed in a yard with seven or eight others—Kedge looked at them, but failed to identify him, but Mrs. Kedge instantly identified Moore; she said "That is the man who did it"—I said "You had better go up and touch him"—she said "I think it is the man" at first, and then on closer investigation she said "I am positive"—I know both the prisoners, and have seen them together on one or two occasions—I saw them the day previous to Good Friday close to where they live, in Cage Street, Spitalfields.

Cross-examined by Moore. There was another man amongst those in the yard dressed similarly to you, not exactly like—I don't know that they were most all bricklayers—I didn't inspect them previous to you—Kedge went up to the man next you, and said "I think that is the man, but I should not be able to identify him if I saw him."

Moore in his defence stated that he was innocent, and that Bradshaw could prove it. GUILTY **— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment each .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-528
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-529
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529. ALFRED TOMLINSON (31) PLEADED GUILTY to unlawfully obtaining by false pretences from John Gordon and others, 10s. 6d., and other sums; also to attempting to obtain by false pretences certain moneys from James Slater, having been before convicted at Clerkenwell in February, 1871.— Five Years' Penal Servitude .


Before Mr. Recorder.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-530
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > lesser offence
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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530. JOHN BUCKFIELD (25) and SAMUEL BROWN (20) , Robbery with violence upon Edward Edison, and stealing his watch, to which BROWN PLEADED GUILTY.

MR. CROOME conducted the Prosecution; and MR. HORACE AVORY the Defence

EDWARD ELLISON . I am a hawker, and live at 2, Paraletta Place, Snow's Fields—on Thursday night, 11th April, I was with Martin and Griffiths drinking at the Guy's Arms; the prisoners came in while we were there—I left with my friends about 12.20—the prisoners followed us and

made a noise with their mouths—I turned round and asked who they were insulting—Buckfield came up and knocked me down—at that time I had a silver watch in my waistcoat pocket worth 50s., with this chain across my waistcoat in the ordinary way—I became insensible, and when I came to I found myself standing against the wall where they picked me up—Martin and Griffiths were with me—my watch was gone and the chain was hanging loosely from the button-hole—this is my watch.

Cross-examined. I had had a glass of ale—I was not so sober as I am now, but I knew what I was doing—I had not left the public-house five minutes before I was knocked down—I have no recollection of putting up my hands as if ready to fight—there had been some chaffing going on inside the public-house, nut between me and Buckfield, but between the company generally—I don't recollect anything being said about fighting.

CHARLES GRIFFITHS . I am a horse-keeper at 10, May's Park—I was with Ellison and Martin at the Guy's Arms—there was no fighting or challenging there—as we came out we were followed by the prisoners—they made a noise behind us—Ellison turned round and asked who they were insulting, and soon after that I looked and Ellison was on the ground, and both prisoners picking him up—I had not heard anything after the words were spoken, only the fall in the gutter—I went up to him—both the prisoners were with him—he was insensible—I took him from Brown and placed him against the wall—Buckfield was gone then—I saw him go—Ellison's chain was hanging loose from his button-hole—I asked Brown about it—he walked away sharp when I called the constable—Ellison had had a glass or two, nothing to speak of—he knew what he was about till he was knocked down—I was sober—I had had a glass.

Cross-examined. There was a little bit of chaffing in the public-house, but nothing about fighting—I did not see any one strike Ellison, I only saw the prisoners picking him up—Buckfield walked away fast.

WILLIAM MARTIN . I am a tailor at 155, Long Lane—I was with Ellison and Griffiths at the Guy's Arms—when we came out I heard a noise made behind us—I saw Ellison turn round and heard him fall—I turned round and he was then on his feet—I saw Brown but not Buckfield—I saw Ellison's chain hanging down—I asked if he had got his watch—he said "Yes"—I stopped till the policeman came—I put my hand to his waistcoat-pocket and said he had not got his watch—Brown was there at that time.

Cross-examined. Griffiths was nearer to them than I was—there was nobody else there belonging to us—there might have been others—it is a public thoroughfare—I was sober.

THOMAS FARLOW (Policeman M 69). I was called, and found Brown with the prisoners and the two last witnesses—on the Saturday following I arrested Buckfield from a description—he said nothing to the charge.

JOHN RAWLINGS . I am assistant to Mr. Hawes, pawnbroker, 32, York Street, Westminster—I produce a silver Geneva watch, pledged for 15s., on 12th April, in the name of John Stewart, 16, Apollo Street, Fleet Street—I could not swear to the person who pledged it.

THOMAS FARLOW (Re-examined). Buckfield made a statement to me in the cell after he was committed for trial—he said he was sorry he had not pleaded guilty before the Magistrate—he said he had pledged it in

the name of John Stewart, for 15s., where he could not say, but it was at a small shop in Westminster on the same side of the way—I went and found it.

BUCKFIELD— GUILTY of stealing, but not of the violence. He received a good character. Nine Months' Imprisonment .

BROWN*— Twelve Months's Imprisonment .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-531
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-533
VerdictGuilty > unknown
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533. JOHN THOMPSON, alias THOMAS COOK (18) , Unlawfully obtaining 25s. by false pretences from Edward Billson; and Other Counts for attempting to obtain money by false pretences from other persons.

MESSRS. BESLEY and GILL conducted the Prosecution.

EDWARD NEW . I live at Fairfax Court, Strand—I joined the Youths' Christian Institute in April, 1875—shortly afterwards I became acquainted with the prisoner, who lodged in the boys' room at the back of the institute—I have written many letters for him—I have seen him write—in October, 1877, he was apprenticed to Mr. Scott, a printer—the prisoner dealt in foreign stamps—John Thompson was the name I knew him by—these words "No tickets will be sold after April 28th," and the word "press "on this card, are the prisoner's writing.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I lent you about 12s., and was to have a share of the profits, but I never got it—I opened a parcel which came to the institute, and sent a letter to be translated—we took rooms in Hanover Street—I did not open another letter addressed there.

EDWARD SMITH . I am a printer, of 48, Paul Street, Finsbury—on 22nd March the prisoner came and asked the price of printing 100 memoranda and 100 circulars, and produced this manuscript—I printed them, and he fetched them away next day—a week after he gave me an order for 150 tickets, which I printed, and they were taken away in the same way—on the 28th March he required an alteration in the address, the insertion of "Lambeth" before "London," and ordered 10,000 more circulars—he said there were more Richard Streets, and his letters went wrong—he also ordered 10,000 of this "No tickets will be sold after April 28th"—this is the manuscript of the hotel accommodation ticket, of which I printed 250—on 1st April he brought this ticket altered, with the word "press" on it—I printed 200—for the first order he paid 4s.—on 30th March he said he had been to Calais, as an excuse for not paying a deposit of 10s., and he paid 3s., also 10s. on account of bills, and said he should require them on the following Wednesday—before that he was in custody, and I handed over the executed order to the police—17s. was all he paid—I next saw him at the police-court—he said his name was Cook.

Cross-examined. You paid for the work you took away—I do not know that you saw the hotel tickets.

WILLIAM HEDGES HATTON. I am publisher of the Bradford Chronicle and Mail—I received this letter of 28th March: "Mr. Cook will give you

a first-class ticket to Paris if you will insert enclosed as a well-displayed advertisement at once. Yours faithfully, Thomas Cook "I replied on 31st March—I believed I was corresponding with Thomas Cook, of Cook and Son's, with whom I have a yearly contract—this refers to that contract; "I will insert it to-morrow at the contract scale"—I received a telegram the next morning, and the advertisement was inserted in this paper, believing it to be Cook and Son's advertisement, also a paragraph referring to the Paris Exhibition—I received a letter next morning enclosing an advertisement to insert and my ticket to Paris and back, and asking me to state price of advertisement for April—that advertisement was not inserted; we detected the fraud—a debt was incurred to our firm of 1l.. for two insertions of the first advertisement. (The witness New identified these letters and the manuscript advertisement as the prisoner's writing.)

Cross-examined. I thought you were a member of the firm of Thomas Cook and Son, because I knew no other tourist agent of that name—the words "at once" first roused my suspicions, and I made inquiries and the fraud was discovered—Messrs. Cook have agents at Bradford—I made verbal inquiries of them.

JOHN MITCHELL (City Detective Officer). I found these papers at 14, Richard Street, including Mr. Hatton's reply of 25th March; "This paper, belonging to a limited liability company, precludes my inserting an advertisement for the terms mentioned; but for a pass I will write a descriptive column," also the Bradford Mail, and Mr. Hatton's letter acknowledging receipt of pass.

EDWARD BILLSON . I am agent at Bradford for Messrs. Thomas Cook and Son, tourist agents, of London—Mr. Hatton showed me these papers—for the purposes of detection I sent, in the name of Prince, this letter to the prisoner (This applied for a second-class ticket to Paris for advertisement in newspaper), and enclosed a post-office order for 25s.—I received this ticket and acknowledgment of post-office order. (Mitchell proved finding the letter applying for the ticket at the prisoner's lodging, and Mr. New proved the envelope and acknowledgment of post-office order to he in the prisoner's writing.)

Cross-examined. I did not believe the ticket was genuine because of the low fare, and because the advertisement stated that passengers could be conveyed from any station in the United Kingdom to Paris and back for 1l.—I received a letter of instruction from Cook and Son—I have not got it.

HENRY WALTER BURK . I am a clerk in the money order department of the General Post Office—I produce a post-office order and advice of 29th March, '78, from Bradford, payable at the London Chief Office, for 1l. 5s. to Thomas Cook, and remitted by A. W. Prince—I was spoken to by a detective, and in consequence when the prisoner came on 30th March about 11 a.m., and signed the order "Thomas Cook," I asked him if it was his own signature, and paid him the 25s., and he left.

WILLIAM BONSOR. I live at Wood View Terrace, Bradford—I saw the advertisement in the Bradford Mail for an excursion to Paris and back 30s., and I enclosed an order for that amount, and sent it in this envelope (Mitchell deposed to finding this envelope at the prisoner's lodgings)—I received this envelope enclosing acknowledgment of post-office order, and enclosing ticket, particulars of route, and hotel ticket (Mr. New deposed to the prisoner's writing on these)—I believed the advertisement,

and that the prisoner was Thomas Cook of Thomas Cook and Son, the tourist agents, at the time I sent the money.

Cross-examined. I suspected the ticket because the writing did not appear to be that of a good firm—I kept it and made inquiries at the Bradford office, and they knew nothing about it—I did not intend to return it—I was not satisfied with it.

HENRY WALTER BUSK (Re-examined). I produce another post-office order and advice from Bradford on the Waterloo Road office from W. Bonsor to Thomas Cook for 1l. 10s.—that is signed "Thomas Cook."

ANN ELIZA HORNER. I am mistress of the Post-office, Waterloo Road—I paid this post-office order for 1l. 10s. drawn by William Bonsor on 30th March—I think it was brought signed.

Cross-examined. It is usual to ask who signed the order—I have no reason to suppose that was not done. (Mr. New deposed to the writing on the post-office order being the prisoner's.)

BENJAMIN ARTHUR ATWELL . I am a chemist at Market Place, Castle Cary, Somerset—I advertised in the Bazaar on 23rd March, 1878, a ring for sale—I received a reply on a printed form similar to this, offering to send me family tickets to Paris—I wrote accepting the offer, and received this letter of 28th March enclosing two return tickets, and asking for the ring, also enclosing copy of the Bradford Chronicle, containing an article on the excursions to Paris—on 29th March I wrote and enclosed the ring, and asked for a receipt, and whether one ticket, if I could not sell the two, could be changed for a single ticket—I received the reply of 1st April, consenting to change the tickets—I parted with my ring believing the prisoner was connected with the firm of Cook and Son, and that I should get eight tickets, which would enable eight persons to go to Paris and back—also seeing the account in the paper, I believed the tickets were genuine—these are the letters referred to. (Mr. New deposed to the prisoner's writing on the tickets.)

Cross-examined. If you had not been given into custody I should have followed the ordinary course on April 28th—I received this letter from Cook and Son in reply to mine—(This stated that Messrs. Cook had delayed writing in order to aid the detection of the prisoner, and suggesting that the witness should come to London and give evidence)—(he ring was worth about 7l.—it cost me 4l. 15s.—I bought it second hand.

JOHN MITCHELL (Re-examined). I found this (Bazaar) newspaper at the prisoner's lodgings with a line drawn through Mr. Atwell's advertisement just as it is now.

WILLIAM HENRY TRAFFORD. I found these letters in the prisoner's pocket-book when he was taken into custody. (The prisoner's letters to Mr. Atwell).

JOHN MASON COOK . My father is Thomas Cook—I am a member of the firm of Thomas Cook and Son, tourist agents, 6, Ludgate Circus—I instituted this prosecution—the prisoner is not related to my family in any way—I know of no other Thomas Cook a tourist agent—in consequence of communications made to me I arranged with Mr. Billson, our Bradford agent, to send a test letter—I am agent for the Midland excursion traffic from Bradford—there are no excursions to Paris and back for 1l.—transferable return tickets are not allowed, nor are tickets issued available from any station in the kingdom to my knowledge, and I have been connected with railways thirty years—the Midland excursion fares

from Bradford to London and back are 30s. first, and 15s. third class, and those are limited to five days, unless they book through to the Continent, when sixteen days are allowed for the same fare added to the Continental fare, which would be 4l. 15s. via Dover and Calais to Paris from London, or 6l. 5s. from Bradford—there is no reduced fare by the mail service.

Cross-examined. The cheapest fare via Dover and Calais from London to Paris and back is 25s. 6d., to return on the seventh day—I have not inquired as to the possibility of your relation to me, but I am one of the sixth generation of only sons—it is impossible to carry people to Paris and back at the prices you name: 30s. first; 25s. second; and 20s. third class from any station.

FRANCIS COCKSHOLT . I am superintendent of the Great Northern Railway—all excursion arrangements are made in my office, and the fares fixed—we have excursions from Bradford to Paris and back at 72s. first, and 46s. 6d. third class, the tickets being available for sixteen days—those fares are made up of 15s., the third-class excursion fare from Bradford to London and back, added to 31i. 6d. from London to Paris and back—those are the lowest fares—transferable return tickets never have been and are not issued by any railway company—through tickets from any station are issued, but the starting station must be filled in, and the ticket is only available from that station—I have had no communication with the prisoner with reference to excursion traffic—arrangements for conveyance to Paris are made through Mr. Harris, the manager of the London, Chatham, and Dover Railway.

Cross-examined. We have no excursion agent—we make no arrangement for lower fares than I have stated, even for a party.

MORTIMER HARRIS . I am the manager of the London, Chatham and Dover Railway Company—no other company has control over the Dover and Calais route—the South-Eastern passengers use our boats—it is impossible for any one to arrange to convey passengers between Dover and Paris without reference to me—I never heard of the prisoner till this case commenced—the statements contained in the prisoner's bills that passengers can be conveyed from any station to Paris and back for 30s., 25s., or 20s., and also that return tickets are transferable, and that tickets are available from 1st May till 31st July, are absolutely false—it could not be done.

Cross-examined. Since the Exhibition we have arranged to take twentyfive artisans belonging to any one firm at a guinea a head, on the certificate of the employer being given, but it is not open to any tourist agent to make such an arrangement—we have no rule as to half fares—we make arrangements according to the circumstances of each case—I can only speak of my own company.

MARGARET LANDER . I am the wife of John Lander, of 14, Richard Street, Lambeth—the prisoner took a bedroom in our house on 2l. st March, and came on 22nd at 5s. a week—he said he was a nephew of Mr. Cook, the tourist agent, of Ludgate Circus—he brought a brown paper parcel—he had no meals in the house—I took in letters addressed to Thomas Cook, tourist agent, 14, Richard Street—there were ten or a dozen the first day, and six or eight a day after—he came home late one night, and was taken into custody—other letters arrived which I handed to the detective—he was there about a week.

Cross-examined. You did not say "nephew or distant relation," but

"nephew"—the parcel contained new clothes—some one called for you the day before you were arrested.

SARAH COOK . My husband's name is Robert Cook, and we live at 21, Kennington Street, Brunswick Square—in October, 1876, the prisoner took a furnished bedroom at 4s. a week—he said he was a compositor, and his name was John Thompson—he remained till January, 1877—about six weeks before he left large quantities of letters came addressed to James Lincoln and Co.—a detective called—then the prisoner went away for a fortnight—when he came back I told him many people had been to complain of stamps not arriving—I am not related to Messrs. Cook and Son, nor to the prisoner.

Cross-examined. You told me you dealt in foreign stamps—when the detective came you said you were only agent for Lincoln and Co.—you sent for your box afterwards—it was not locked—I did not know your address in Hanover Street—you said Mr. Lincoln had gone abroad—you told me to give your letters to the postman—I do not remember your telling me not to take any in.

ROBERT MITCHELL . I live at 48, Long Acre, and am secretary to the Youths' Christian Institute, which is established for mechanics—in May, 1876, the prisoner attended in the name of John Thompson—he left last October—this is my photograph—I expect I gave it to the prisoner—I was ordered to strike the prisoner's name of the books in consequence of what we heard.

Cross-examined. Your name was not struck off because of your not paying your subscription, but because we had several letters complaining of the non-remittance of stamps, and Mr. Payton, one of the presidents, paid some of your debts—you owe him 2l. 3s.—we gave your letters back to the postman unopened.

By the COURT. The prisoner's introduction was from the Boys' Home—he came to London a destitute lad, and was received in the Boys' Home, and on 1st December, 1875, was apprenticed to Mr. Scott as a compositor—he used our address till last year, when we forbade it—he called himself "John Thompson, foreign stamp dealer."

JAMES IRVIN SCOTT . I took the prisoner as an apprentice in my newspaper office from the Boys' Home—he served five years—he came till within six weeks of this affair—I received 10l. with him, and paid him 12s. a week—his name was John Thompson. Cross-examined. I paid your wages regularly—I do not owe you a farthing—I refused to allow you to work because of your misconduct—I did not take you before a Magistrate because you would have been punished—I employed you out of doors—you collected 500l. for me and I never missed a sixpence.

By the COURT. His misconduct was, he did not keep regular hours—he is unfitted for a compositor's work.

JOHN MITCHELL (Re-examined). On 30th March I watched the prisoner get a post-office order—I followed him to Mr. Smith's, of 48, Paul Street, Finsbury, and then to the Guildhall Library—I instructed Trafford to watch him, and went to get a warrant—when he was in custody I went with Sergeant Hornsby to 14, Richard Street, where I found the documents spoken to, including 38 letters addressed to Mr. Thomas Cook, and a copy of the Bazaar newspaper—I was present when the prisoner was searched—I heard the warrant read to him—when asked his occupation he said he was a printer.

WILLIAM HENRY TRAFFORD . I was with the last witness when he went to the Guildhall, where the prisoner remained from 11.30 till 1.40—I saw him make notes from Cook's excursion books—he signed the readers' hook "A. Washington, 158, High Holborn"—I watched him at different times—in the Edgware Road I stopped him—I said "I presume you are Thomas Cook?"—he said "Yes, Thomas Cook, jun."—I asked him if he had any business to do in that neighbourhood—he said no, he was only going for a walk—I told him I was a City Detective Officer and should take him to the Southwark police-court, and that a warrant had been granted for his arrest—he asked me if I had the warrant—I said no—he asked why not—I said other officers were engaged in the case and the warrant was with one of them—on the way he said he had started this little business with his uncle but found it would not pay, and it appeared he had already got into trouble over it—I said "Who is your uncle?"—he said he did not think it prudent to state—I searched him and found the documents I have spoken to, a copy of the Bournemouth Observer, a list of names and dates, including W. H. Hatton, Bradford, 28th March; William Bonsor, Bradford, 1st April, 1878; and numbers corresponding with the numbers on the tickets—he was wearing the diamond ring.

Cross-examined. You asked me if Cook and Son prosecuted—I said I did not know—I thought as I had followed you to Chelsea and from there to Kilburn, that was far enough.

GEORGE HORNSBY (Policeman M 6). I held a warrant for the prisoner's arrest, and on finding him in the custody of the last witness I read the warrant to him—he said (referring to Mr. Billson) "Is the address there?" I said "No"—he said "Can I send a telegram to Bradford to him?"—in answer to the inspector, he said "My uncle's name is Thomas Cook, he lived at Brompton, but is gone to New York."

The Prisoner in his defence stated that his father, whose name was Cook, had always said he was a relation of Thomas Cook, the tourist; that he had run away from his home in America, and, after trying other things in the assumed name of John Thompson, to prevent his father finding him, had started as a tourist agent, intending to arrange with the railway companies when he had issued sufficient tickets.

GUILTY .— Five Years' Penal Servitude .

Before Mr. Justice Grove.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-534
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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534. OTTO MARKGRAF (24) and FREDERICK ELISKE (39) , Robbery with violence on William Plumpton, and stealing his watch and chain.

MR. DAVIS conducted the Prosecution; and MR. J. P. GRAIN appeared for Markgraf, and MR. STRAIGHT for Eliske.

WILLIAM PLUMPTON . I am a labourer and live at 137, Rotherhithe Street—on the evening of 21st April, at a few minutes past 11 o'clock, I was going along Rotherhithe Road; the two prisoners came up; Markgraf said "Please can you tell me the way to the Commercial Dock?"—I said "Yes, straight down the street"—he turned round at once and said I was a liar—they were both standing together—I said "All right, I am going home"—as I was turning off the pavement one of them took the watch out of my pocket; Eliske had it, I believe; he took it from my pocket—I was stabbed then and fell down on the ground—I did not see

any knife—I believe Markgraf had hold of me when I fell down, when I was falling—I did not know that I was stabbed at the time, I afterwards found that I had a wound in the right side of my chest—Seager was just coming over the bridge at the time; he was about 3 or 4 yards from me, coming towards me; there was nobody else near—when I fell down my watch was gone—Seager came up as I was on the ground; he asked me what was the matter—the prisoners ran away; I was left on the ground—Seager followed them till I recovered—I got up and ran after them—I saw them again in a house in Silver Street, Rotherhithe—Seager gave me my watch and told me he had picked it up as he was running after them—I was quite sober—Eliske punched me in the forehead, but it was the other man who knocked me down—the value of my watch is about 2l.

Cross-examined by MR. STRAIGHT. This was on Sunday night—I had had a glass of ale before the houses shut up, only one glass all the evening, I am quite sure of that—Seager is a friend of mine—he had not been in my company during the evening; it was a very dull night, raining heavily—Rotherhithe Street is not a very light thoroughfare; there are lamps all along the street—this was a little more than a quarter of a mile from Commercial Dock—the first thing that happened was Markgraf asking me the way to the Commercial Dock—I did not turn and point to a large doorway that was painted black; that I swear—Seager came up at the time I was on the ground, I did not see him before; I won't swear he had not come up—I did not see Eliske hand Seager his lighted pipe, or a lucifer or a vesuvian—I did not hear Eliske ask Seager the way to the Commercial Dock, or hear Seager say "Go straight down the road"—Markgraf said to me "What for you tell me a lie?"—I did not say "What, you call me a liar"—Markgraf did not say "Yes I do, because you tell me a lie"—I did not thereupon strike him a violent blow under the chin, I never rose my hand—I did not knock the pipe out of his mouth—there was not a regular set-to between us, me striking him and he striking me, and both of us closing together and falling on the road—I have sworn to-day that it was Eliske who took my watch—they were both round me—I believe I said before the Magistrate that it was Markgraf who made a snatch at my watch, I said "Markgraf snatched my watch from my pocket as I was turning round to go away"—I had not got into a row and fight with them—I do not know that they are respectable men on board a German ship lying in the Commercial Dock—the captain spoke broken English before the Magistrate, I could not understand him—Markgraf can speak pretty near as plainly as I can.

ALFRED JOHN SEAGER . I am a labourer and live at 60, Lower Queen Street, Rotherhithe—an the night of 21st April I was coming down Rotherhithe Street and saw the two prisoners speaking to my friend at the corner—I have known the prosecutor about 18 months—I did not hear the prisoners say anything—the prosecutor said to me "Here, I want to speak to you"—I went to him, and he said "These two men have asked me which is the way to the Commercial Dock, you tell them"—I told Eliske, and he said "I think he tell me lie"—I told him "Straight on," and I said "Would you oblige me with a light for my pipe?" and he gave me one, and then I turned round and saw Markgraf standing out in the road with the prosecutor—I was standing with my back to them about 10 yards or a little more distant—when I

turned round from getting my light from Eliske I saw Markgraf on the top of Plumpton on the ground with a knife in his right hand—then Eliske rushed from me and hit Plumpton about the hip, and I rushed to them directly, when the prisoners got up and ran away—the prosecutor said "Alf, my watch is gone"—I ran and tried to apprehend them about 20 or 30 yards—Markgraf dropped the watch in the gutter—I stopped to pick it up and they gained upon me—I ran again and saw them go round Silver Street into some house in Silver Street—I lost sight of them when they turned the corner—it was a very dull night and raining—I was close to the prisoners, I can swear to them—I gave the watch to the prosecutor—I was going to run for a constable—I saw them given in charge—I was at the door.

Cross-examined by MR. GRAIN. I am a labourer at the Oil Works, Rotherhithe Street—I met Plumpton when I was coming through Rotherhithe station—he was talking to the prisoners—I walked a little way with them—I do not know of a black door leading to the Commercial Dock—I had not heard what the prisoners said to Plumpton—I was only a few steps away when the prosecutor was under the prisoners on the ground—I swear I did not see Plumpton strike any blow—I heard no altercation—I turned to say "Good night, Bill," when I saw them on the ground—I ran to separate them, when the prisoners ran against the wall and ran away—Markgraf ran from the wall—I did not see Plumpton knock Markgraf against the wall—I swear it—the affair took longer than half a minute, because I was telling the man the way to the Commercial Dock; about a minute—I swear I saw the watch in the gutter—one dropped it—I swear I ran 20 or 30 yards before I saw the watch—I had no chance to hold one of the prisoners when they were on the ground—I do not recollect saying at the police-court that it was after Plumpton had got up that he called out "Alf, I have lost my watch"—I had not been in a public-house that night—I went to this house because I heard them in the passage going "Hush, hush," making a hushing noise—I was not let in, I did not knock till the constable came up—this is a private house—I know one of the people by sight, and one works at the same firm as I do.

Cross-examined by MR. STRAIGHT. I had nothing to drink that evening, on my oath, barring a little ginger beer—Plumpton said about this man wanting to know the way to the Commercial Dock before anything happened.

ALFRED WHITE (Policeman 388 R). I was on duty in Lower Queen Street, Rotherhithe, this evening—I know the street in which the robbery occurred, well—it was lighted by street lamps—the public-houses were closed—it was a dark, cloudy night and raining fast at the time—I was called to Silver Street and found the prisoners detained in a house—the prosecutor gave them in charge and I apprehended them—they were close to the door, which was wide open when I arrived—four or five people and the prosecutor, the prisoners, and the witnesses were there—when I told the prisoners the charge they said "Very well, I will go to the station with you"—I searched them at the station and found a knife and purse on each and a silver watch on Eliske—this knife was found on Markgraf and the other on Eliske—I afterwards went to where the struggle was, and found this portion of the watch chain—the place was pointed out to me—it was lying in the gutter by the side of the pavement in the same condition as it is now.

Cross-examined by MR. STRAIGHT. TWO portions of the chain are broken, where it would hang.

ALFRED JOHN SEAGER (Re-examined). This is in the same state as when picked up.

ALFRED WHITE (Cross-examined by MR. GRAIN). The house was very quiet—there was no noise—I found the prisoners inside, the prosecutor was outside, and the witness stood on the doorstep—the prisoners came with me voluntarily—I heard Captain Hind called at the police-court—he has been obliged to go with his ship, which has sailed—I heard him give the prisoners a character—it was about 11.15 when I took them in custody.

BENJAMIN BROWNING . I am a surgeon at Rotherhithe—on the night of the 2l. st, just before midnight, I was called to the police-station and saw the prosecutor there on the floor suffering from an incised and punctured wound on the right side of the chest, about 3 inches below the arm pit—it extended down to the rib—I was able to pass my finger in and feel the rib—it then extended upwards for at least 2 inches, and probably farther, but not wishing to make it worse than it was I did not more minutely probe it—it was most certainly a dangerous wound—it had caused a very considerable amount of hæmorrhage—the whole of the side of the chest was swollen as big as my two hands from the effusion of blood into the structures, and had the stab not been turned, by the knife striking the rib, it must have penetrated the cavity of the chest and wounded the lung most severely; as it was he had lost a very considerable amount of blood and was in a very exhausted condition—this dark-handled knife would not have produced such a wound, but this other would—I say this very advisedly—I had the two knives shown to me at the time and have compared them in situ—the wound would have been inflicted by such a knife as this (This white-handled one), a knife of this width and depth of blade, but not by such a knife as this, the blade is too short and narrow—the blow must have been delivered with very great force—a very considerable quantity of thick clothing was cut through—the wound was barely healed on 4th May—it is now quite healed.

Cross-examined by MR. STRAIGHT. To the best of my judgment such a wound could not be caused by accident, on account of the force with which it was delivered—it was not a mere accidental scraping against—I do not think the effect would have been the same if the body came against the knife—I think it must have been delivered deliberately and with great force—that is my opinion—it is merely matter of opinion.

Cross-examined by MR. GRAIN. I practise in that neighbourhood—I am acting divisional police surgeon—I fancy that sailors use Cavendish tobacco—I have not seen them cutting it, I have seen very little of these foreign sailors.

Re-examined. There can be no doubt that the wound was caused by a deliberate blow.

WILLIAM PLUMPTON (Re-examined). There was a cross-bar to my chain which went through the waistcoat button-hole, that has been lost—I had it on that night—I recollect being cross-examined at the police court—I do not recollect saying, "I was on the ground; Markgraf struck the first blow under my right arm, and he struck me as I fell; it was Markgraf that put the knife into me, I did not see a knife"—I could not tell which of them stabbed me, but I tell the one that had hold of me when I was

stabbed; the other one was over with my friend, he could not have stabbed me, he was too far off, Markgraf is the one that had hold of me NOT GUILTY .—To be detained and indicted for unlawfully wounding.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-535
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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MR. BESLEY conducted the Prosecution.

GUILTY .— Ten Years' Penal Servitude .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-536
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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536. ROBERT RAYMOND (20) , Feloniously wounding George Purdy with intent to do grievous bodily harm.

MR. RIBTON conducted the Prosecution.

GEORGE PURDY . I am a costermonger, and live at 13, King's Head Yard, High Street, Lambeth—last Saturday night I was in the Olive Branch public-house, Waterloo Road—the prisoner came in, and called me over and asked me about a row with Ainge—I said I knew nothing about it, he asked if I wanted to fight; I said "No"—he struck me, and I returned the blow—a constable came in and turned us out—when we got outside we began fighting out there, we had a bit of a row and he went away—I went after him and we had another bit of a struggle, and I chucked him on the ground; we both fell on the ground together; he pulled out a knife while he was on the ground, he had it open in his hand—I said, "Are you going to pull a knife out?" he said, "Yes"—I said, "What for?" he said, "To stab you"—I kicked him in the eye, on the forehead—I tried to get up to get away from him, and as I caught hold of a lamp-post he rushed at me and stuck the knife in my arm; he then walked away—I did not know I was wounded till I saw the blood running down my arm—I went after him and chucked him on the pavement, and a constable came up and laid hold of him—I was taken to the station and a doctor came and sewed up my arm—I had not been drinking.

Prisoner. The man is twice as good a man as me; he began the row; he tore the clothes off my back, and hit me outside the Olive Branch. I said, "If you don't leave off I will stick a knife into you," and he knocked me down and kicked me, and then I hit him with the knife. I could not help it, I was in such a temper, my life was in danger.

WITNESS. What he says is false—I had never had a quarrel with him before.

WILLIAM AINGE . I live in Cottage Place, Vauxhall Street—I was at the Olive Branch on this night—the prisoner came over to the prosecutor and asked him whether he was going to have any row—he said no—the prisoner made no more to do than hit him in the mouth—the prosecutor returned the blow—a struggle ensued, the barman called a constable, and they were put out—the prisoner came up to him outside and threw him down; and then he opened the knife and said he would stick it into me if I did not go away—he then went round to the Commercial Road—Purdy ran after him, there was a struggle between them, and both fell together—he had the knife open while they were on the ground—Purdy tried to get away round the lamp-post, and the prisoner got up and stuck the knife in his arm.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I was not at all drunk—you were drunk.

WILLIAM BELLCHAMBERS (Policeman 25 L). I was called to the Olive Branch to put the men out—outside they were having what I should

think was a mutual fight—I separated them—the prisoner went towards Commercial Road, and Purdy went up the Lower Marsh—I heard some one in the crowd sing out "He has got a knife"—I saw the prisoner and Purdy on the ground struggling—before I could get to them Purdy got up and was going away, and the prisoner pursued him and struck him in the arm—I saw no weapon.

GEORGE WATERS (Policeman 220 L). The prosecutor complained to me of having been stabbed—I pursued the prisoner for about 50 yards—he was running—I captured him and told him he would be charged with stabbing the prosecutor—he said "The s—kicked me, or otherwise I should not have done it"—I saw a mark on his forehead—I searched him at the station and found this knife inf his pocket.

CHARLES CORBET BLADES , M. D. I am surgeon to the L Division—I was called to the station and examined Purdy; he had a wound about 4 inches long on the back part of the right arm, about an inch deep—he had lost a considerable amount of blood; I had to put in four sutures—the cut went through the coat and shirt—this knife would cause such a wound; it must have been used with considerable force, as it is rather blunt—the wound was fortunately in a safe part, there is no artery of any size there—I should say he was sober.

Prisoner's Defence. I am very sorry for it. If they had let me go home it would not have happened. I got in such a temper. I had to defend myself. He knocks and kicks me about every time I see him.

GUILTY* of unlawfully wounding. Nine Month's Imprisonment .

Before Robert Malcolm Kerry, Esq.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-537
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentencesImprisonment > penal servitude

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6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-538
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
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Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-539
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-540
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown

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540. JOHN WESTBROOK (23), SAMUEL HEMMINGS (2l), and HENRY BOND (18) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. POLAND and MEAD conducted the Prosecution.

GRACE MOORS . I am the wife of John Moors, of 42, Princes Street, Lambeth—I keep a general shop—on 2nd April, about 7.30, I served Westbrook with twopennyworth of German sausage—he gave me a shilling—I put it in the till, and gave him 10d.—as he went out Hemmings came in for a pennyworth of cheese, and a half-penny worth of bread—he gave me a shilling—I kept it in my hand, and gave him 10 1/2d. change—as he was leaving the shop I put it in the trier, and it bent—I ran out round the corner, laid hold of Hemmings two doors from the shop, and said "You have given me a bad shilling"—he said "What bad shilling?"—I said "Come back"—he went back to the shop with me, and put his hand in his pocket, pulled out four good shillings, and said "Are these bad?"—I said "No," and took one of them and gave him the other, as he told my husband he had taken it at his work—directly after he left I went to

the till; there were only two shillings there, and one of them was bad—I gave it to my husband—I saw them both at the station the same evening.

Cross-examined by Westbrook. No one was in the shop that I know of—a young woman with a child did not give me a shilling, nor did the child hold out its hand for the change. Hemmings. I was never in the shop.

JOHN MOORS . My wife spoke to me, and I went outside the shop, and saw Hemmings 10 to 20 yards off—I watched him up the Commercial Road—he walked about 20 yards, and joined the other two prisoners—they had a little conversation, and went on, and Westbrook went into Mrs. Barham's shop in Belvedere Road—the other two prisoners stood opposite, and Westbrook came out and joined them—I was about 10 yards off them, and followed them 50 yards, to the corner of Edward Street—I spoke to a constable, and gave Hemmings in custody—I seized Westbrook, and another constable took Bond—they were all taken to the station—I had seen Hemmings inside the shop, and saw my wife give him back a shilling—he told me he had taken 4s. for his day's work, and one of them was bad—I have no doubt he is the man—I examined the till, and found a bad shilling, and a good one—I gave the bad one to Rumble.

Cross-examined by Bond. I am sure it was you with these two men—I laid hold of you.

ELLEN BARHAM . I am the wife of Henry Barham, and keep a general shop at 27, Belvedere Road—on 7th April, about 7.45, I served Westbrook with a pennyworth of German sausage; he gave me a shilling; I put it in the till, where there was only 6d., gave him a sixpence and 5d. in change, and he left—Mr. Moors and Rumble came in within half an hour—I took the shilling out of the till, found it was bad, marked it, and gave it to Rumble—our shop is more than half a mile from Mr. Moors's.

GEORGE RUMBLE (Policeman L 74). On 2nd April I was on duty in the Westminster Road, and first saw the three prisoners at 8.15 coming from Belvedere Road—they all crossed Westminster Bridge Road, walking and talking together—Moors came and spoke to me, and I took Hemmings in custody—Moors seized the other two, and with Houghton's assistance they were all taken to the station—Hemmings said that he knew nothing about it, he had been selling newspapers in the City and had come over Westminster Bridge when he was taken, but when I saw him he was coming in the opposite direction—he said that he had not been near Mr. Moors's place, and the other two said the same—I found on Hemmings 5s. 6d. in silver and 2s. 8 1/2d. in bronze, good money—4 1/2d. was found on Bond in my presence—no bread and cheese or sausage was found on any of them—I received these two bad shillings, one from Mr. Moors and one from Mrs. Barham.

THOMAS HOUGHTON (Policeman Z 106). I was on duty and saw the three prisoners cross Westminster Bridge Road—I took Bond and caught hold of Westbrook on one side and Mr. Moors caught hold of the other—Westbrook said "I know nothing about it, what is it for?"

Cross-examined by Hemmings. I was standing still by the side of Astley's Theatre, and saw the officer put his hand on you—it was very light—there is a public-house there and a large beer shop.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These coins are both bad.

The Prisoners' Statements before the Magistrate. Westbrook says: "I reserve my defence." Hemmings says: "I am innocent. I do not know

these two. I was coming over Westminster Bridge by Astley's, and a man came and said, ' I want you, ' and took me to the station. I know nothing at all about passing bad money. I was never near the place" Bond says: "I don't know these men. I was coming round from the Embankment. I saw the tallest man taken; another constable took me. "

Westbrook's Defence. I received 26 tickets for selling oranges, and changed them for money in a public-house, that is how I got the money.

Bond's Defence. I was coming from the Embankment to the theatre and saw this man in custody, and up comes this man and says, "That is another one, and we were all three taken to the station.

WESTBROOK and HEMMINGS— GUILTY of uttering to Mrs. Barham only. Nine Months' Imprisonment each . BOND— NOT GUILTY .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-541
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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541. HENRY SMALL (19) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. MEAD conducted the Prosecution. SELINA SLY. My husband keeps the Windsor Castle, Camberwell New Road, about 10 minutes' walk from the Beresford Arms—on 27th April, between 10 and 11, I served the prisoner with a glass of beer, which came to 1 1/2d.—he drank it and gave me a bad florin—I told him it was bad—he said it was not—I called my husband, and the prisoner said he was not aware that it was bad, and he thought he knew where he took it—I tested it in the trier and it broke—he asked for it back—I refused—he gave me a good shilling, and I gave him in charge, and gave the florin to my husband. Prisoner. I was never in the house at all.

JOHN SLY . My wife called me into the bar, tested the florin, and said it was bad—the prisoner said that he expected it back, or a portion of it—I said "Then you won't have it"—he gave my wife a good shiliing and left—I gave the coin to Simmonds.

Cross-examined. I followed you to the corner to look for a policeman.

LOUISA GLENNIE . I am barmaid at the Oxford Arms, Walworth—on Saturday, 27th April, about 11.55 p.m., I served the prisoner with a glass of ale and a cigar, which came to 2 1/2d.—he gave me a florin—I gave him the change and he left—I handed the florin to Mr. Watson, who bent it in his mouth, and the potman went out and brought the prisoner back—Mr. Watson went with him to the station.

Cross-examined. You did not give me a shilling—I went to the till but I did not put the florin in—I laid it on a tray at the back of the bar—I did not charge you before you left, because I did not then know it was bad.

Re-examined. I got the change from the back of the bar—I suspected it and rang it twice—before I could put it in the till the potman spoke to me.

EDWIN JAMES . I am potman at the Beresford Arms—I saw the prisoner come in, and saw the barmaid receive a florin from him—she rang it twice and I said, "Miss, that is a bad two-shilling piece"—I looked at it and she handed it to Mr. Watson—the prisoner had gone out—I went after him and said, "You have given the barmaid a bad two-shilling piece"—he said "Do you want to lag me?"—I said "You had better come back and see the governor, as I shall not leave you till you do"—I called a policeman—the prisoner wrenched away his

arms and knocked me down, but the policeman held him tight and took him back, and Mr. Watson gave him in charge—I went to the station, where he said that he had given a shilling—he gave nothing but the florin.

Cross-examined. I saw you at the top of the street, left you and went back to the house, and you could have got away if you wanted to, but you were too busy with the crowd of chaps you were with—you meant running and went at a pretty tidy pace, but the constable was too sharp for you.

Re-examined. The crowd surrounded me and shoved me about, saying, "Let him go," and using very bad language—I should think there were 20 men there—they said, "If you put it in too thick for him we will kill you"—going to the station he said, "I have only been there a fortnight, and I will b—y well kill you"—he knew the people in the crowd, they used the same public-house, and I knew them all by sight—the prisoner knows them—they have all drank in our house together—they halloed out to him, "Run, run."

EDWARD SIMMONDS (Policeman 58 P). James called me and I took the prisoner—he was walking sharply—he swung himself from me and knocked James down—there was a rough lot of 10 or 20 men who said, "Let the man go;" but another constable came up and they dispersed—going to the station the prisoner said that he would settle James and his master too if they charged him—I took him to the Beresford and Mr. Watson charged him—he denied tendering a florin and said that he gave a shilling—Sly gave me one bad florin and Mr. Watson another—a Hanoverian medal was found on him and three shillings, five sixpences, and 6 1/2d. all good—"lag" means send to prison.

ALEXANDER WATSON . I keep the Beresford Arms—on this Saturday night my barmaid gave me this florin and I gave it to the constable.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These two florins are bad and from the same mould—I have known Hanoverian medals to be tendered for sovereigns. The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I was not down the Wyndham Road at all on that night."

Prisoner's Defence. I was not down the Wyndham Road. If I had wanted to get away I could have done so easily. The policeman left me for two minutes to go back to the house.

GUILTY .— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment .

6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-542
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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542. HENRY JONES (24) and JAMES SMITH (20) , Unlawfully soliciting Samuel Beaton, George Murphy, and Edward Flower to steal their master's goods. Other Counts for a conspiracy to rob Henry Taylor.

MESSRS. POLAND and MEAD conducted the Prosecution; and MR. GILL (defended Jones.

EDWARD FLOWER . I am a carman in the employ of Monsieur A. Douatt, the manager of the Messageries Parisien, 32, Watling Street—on a Wednesday at the end of January or the beginning of February, between 3 and 4 p.m., I was driving an empty van at the comer of Queen Victoria Street—Henry Winch was with me as the boy—the prisoner Smith called to me, but I did not stop till I pulled round into Cannon Street—he then said "Halloa, how are you getting on?"—I said "I don't know you"—he said "Yes you do, come and have something

to drink"—I left the van in charge of the boy and went to a public-house at the corner of Queen Street and Cannon Street, which could be seen from the van—a man like Jones was there, but I cannot swear to him, as I only saw his side-face—Smith asked me what I would have to drink—I said "A drop of beer"—he said "Have something short"—I said "I don't drink spirits"—I had half-a-pint of beer—he asked me where Smith was—(we have a man named Smith but not on our floor)—I said that he was out—he asked if he was at Willow Walk—I said "Yes"—that is the London, Brighton, and South Coast goods station—he asked where I was going—I said that I was doing my collection—he said "If you can get a case or two we will open them and have ready money down"—(the other man said nothing but he could hear that)—I told him I could not, and returned to my van, leaving them there—I told the boy what had occurred and spoke to Mr. Wood, my foreman, the same night—I next saw the prisoners in custody.

Cross-examined by MR. GILL. I had never seen Smith before and I did not see him again for three months—only one man spoke to me and he very nearly whispered—he came up close against me—other people were in and out—Smith was by himself.

Cross-examined by Smith. I did not say that it was in January—I said at the police-court "About three months ago"—you paid for the drink—the inspector did not point you out to me at the police-court.

Re-examined. I picked him out and have no doubt he is the man—the other man may have heard what Smith said—he had some spirits and Smith paid for the lot—it was on a Wednesday—I have been six months in Messrs. Douatt's service.

HENRY WINCH . I am in Messrs. Douatt's employ, at Watling Street, and go out with Flower's cart—I was with him in the van at the corner of Queen Street and Cannon Street—I do not know what month it was—I heard some one call out "Heigh," and saw the two prisoners close together—I identify them both, but I only saw one at first—Smith spoke to Flower, and they both went into the public-house with him, one behind the other—Flower came out and left them there, and made a statement to me, and we went away collecting—it was on a Tuesday or Wednesday—I afterwards went to Southwark police-station and picked the prisoners out from a lot more—I am sure they are the two.

Cross-examined by MR. GILL. This was a long time ago—I was on the tail-board—I said before the Magistrate that it was Smith who called out—Flower and Smith went into the public-house alone, and the other man a minute or two afterwards—it is a corner public-house—I had never seen either of the men before, and it was nearly four months before I saw them again—Davis, the detective, told me that Flower could not identify the second man, and took me to look at him—I did not identify him for a minute or two—I identified Smith at once, and about two minutes afterwards said "That is the other man"—I did not say so at first because I was not sure of him—I am sure of him now—I am getting on for 15—I never saw the men about the office from the time they were at the public-house till I was taken to identify them.

EDWARD WOOD . I am a foreman carman in Messrs. Douatt's employ—about two months ago Flower made a statement to me; I cannot say the day, but it was in the middle of the week—I have seen the two prisoners together following our vans on several occasions in the City and about Bermondsey—I did not know their names.

Cross-examined by MR. GILL. This is the first time I have given evidence—this happened since January—I will not swear that it was not in January—it was not earlier than the end of February; it might have been then—I saw the prisoners together both before and since this—Flower gave me a description of them but did not point them out to me—it was from the description that I recognised them and I saw them afterwards in the City, on one or two occasions, not far from the office—Flower and the boy had the same opportunity of seeing them that I had—I have seen Smith speak to one of our carmen who is not in the employ now—I have seen the prisoners together six or seven times within the last two months on this side of the water—I had a subpœna yesterday morning—I have not spoken to Davis or any other detective.

HENRY TAYLOR . I am a carman, of 124, Spa Road, Bermondsey—I first saw the prisoners together about the last day or two of February in Thames Street, and I have seen them almost every day till I gave them in charge, in Southwark Street, Spa Road, Commercial Road, Watling Street, Queen Victoria Street, and close to my office—I have watched them and followed them frequently—I have seen them with men in my employ, who are here as witnesses, Murphy, Beaton, Jenkins, and ten or twelve other servants of mine, sometimes when they had loads and sometimes when they were going for loads—early in March I saw them talking to Jenkins, I think it was near the Crown public-house, where they get their coffee or beer of a morning—my business is receiving valuable goods at railwaystations and conveying them to railway stations—at the beginning of April I spoke to Beaton, my carman, and in consequence of what he told me I cautioned my men about having the prisoners hanging about them, and on 3rd April I saw the prisoners opposite Spa Road for a quarter of an hour, and then gave them in charge, as Jones got on the wheel of my empty van and Smith was alongside it on the pavement—I charged them with inciting my men to rob me—they said that they had not done anything—I took them to my yard, and several of the carmen identified them both.

Cross-examined by MR. GILL. I watched them both from February to May—I did not conceal myself—I have about twenty drivers, two of them are here—the Crown public-house is about 200 yards from my place—I have heard that Jones lived close to my place—I sometimes saw them speak to my men in the street—sometimes I was on a bus and sometimes in a cab—my men could not see me—I saw Jones speak to Beaton five or six times, I might say a dozen times, it was every day for a month, or every other day, but sometimes it was two or three times in a day—he has been about our neighbourhood pestering—I have seen them speaking to Beaton in the Spa Tavern and in the Crown, but I first saw him speak to him in Thompson Street—I was not close enough to see whether he pulled up his van—I was feeling my way—I warned my carmen almost every day, the first time was about the end of February—I have seen Murphy speak to Jones about two dozen times—Beaton had spoken to me about this, but Murphy had not, or any of the other carmen—I did not employ detectives.

Cross-examined by Smith. I first saw you speak to my men in February—you frequently went into the Crown with Murphy and Beasley, but not at the same time—I did not give you in custody then because I had

no suspicion that you were trying to do anything wrong—Beasley is not here.

Re-examined. The prisoners may have seen me when they were taken in custody, but I don't think they knew me—I had watched them five weeks, but if I did not see anything wrong I walked away.

GEORGE MURPHY . I am a carman, and have been in Mr. Taylor's employ about 12 months—I first saw the prisoners about two months ago at the Crown, in Spa Road, one morning before 7—Jones asked where I was going, I said "To the yard"—he said "I will wait for you to come out"—they remained there and I was in the yard about an hour—when I came out they were waiting outside, and Jones asked me where I was going. I said "To the Bottle Works, Eyre's Quay, to get a load"—he said "You are no use to us this morning"—about the middle of the same week I saw them both again in the street in Spa Road—I was with my van; Jones asked me where I was going, I said "To the Chatham and Dover Line;" he asked me if he could ride with me in my van; I said "No, certainly not"—he said "If we meet you down the road will you let us have one of the cases, and we will open it for you, and take the goods out and do it up again neatly, and no one will know it has been opened?"—I said "No, certainly not, I have heard of too many carmen being in trouble through that sort of case; I cannot do that, certainly not"—Jones could hear what was said, but I don't think he said anything—on another occasion I was going to Horsleydown with my van for some skins—both the prisoners were there, and Smith asked me if I would have something to drink; I said "I do not mind"—a young chap who I knew was with them, Tracey, who works at the firm—Tracey asked me as well to come, and I went with them to a house in Horsleydown and had something to drink—Smith asked where I was going; I said "Over the water for some hides"—he asked if it was any good his waiting for me; I said "No, it will be no use," but he followed me to Davis's Wharf—I had not to get hides, but I told them so to keep them from coming after me—before that day I had seen them both in Thames Street; I was drinking some beer in a public-house, and Jones asked me if I would have some of what he was drinking—I had some of it and went on with my own, and had something to eat and went out—he then asked me what I was going to load, I told him I did not know—he said "Is it any good my waiting for you?" I said "No," and went away—Smith heard what Jones said—I saw them either four or five times, and two or three times were in Spa Road, but I have also seen them hanging about of a morning near the yard.

Cross-examined by MR. GILL. I swear I have spoken to them as often as five times, and three or four times we went into public-houses—I took them into public-houses about twice—I don't think I have spoken to them ten times—I have only been into four public-houses with them—they first spoke to me in the street, a very short distance from our place—I did not swear not half an hour ago that I first met them in a public-house; that must have been the second occasion—it is two months ago now—the first words Jones said to me were asking me to have something to drink—he then said "Are you going to do anything for me?" and I thought he meant that I should rob my master—I mean to say that he suggested that the first time I saw him—I had not been warned by my master before that, but I had been spoken to by somebody else—I blame

myself for not telling my master—the second conversation took place on the path, and the third, if I am not mistaken, was at Horsleydown—I did not mention Horsleydown before the Magistrate—I went into a public-house with them, and Tracey, a carman, who is not here—Smith and Tracey invited me in—they once took me into the Spa Tavern—after they tried to induce me to rob my master I twice went into public-houses with them—I thought it was my business to do so—I did not tell my master—I had just gone away with a load, or I should have been at the police-court the first time—I said before the Magistrate that Beasley was in the public-house.

Re-examined. The first time I saw them was in Spa Road, when I told them I was going to do bottle work—I had seen them outside, but did not know who they were—I did not speak to them—I have seen them when I have not even said good morning to them.

By MR. GILL. On the day they were given in custody I saw my master on the same side of the path—he ran right in front of the van—I cannot say what Smith said, but he spoke, and I said "There is my governor, speak to him"—our yard is close to the Crown—the office is in Queen Street, City.

SAMUEL BEATON . I have been Mr. Taylor's carman about 18 months—about two months ago I was driving my van in St. Thomas Street, Borough, and saw the prisoners coming in the opposite direction—one of them whistled to me—I turned round, and not Knowing them, drove on—Smith got on the shaft of the van and asked me to get down—I did so—he called me on one side and asked me to go to a public-house with them—Jones was standing on one side—I said "No," as I was going to the Brighton Railway, but when I returned I would—I unloaded, and stopped there about a quarter of an hour, thinking they would go away—I then trotted out of the Brighton booking-office quite fast because I did not want to have anything to do with them—I went to the SouthEastern Railway booking-office, Tooley Street, and before I got off the shaft I saw Smith outside the office at the tail of the van—he asked what I was frightened of I said "Nothing"—he said "You are frightened of getting sneaked"—I had told him before that that I was going to the docks, and he said "Let me work a case for you"—I said "No"—Jones heard that—I also met them two days afterwards in Spa Road, and on Saturday in the Commercial Road—I have not seen them speak to other carmen or stop them.

Cross-examined by MR. GILL. I have spoken to Jones four times altogether—I have not been in any public-house with them—my master has never seen me in public-houses with them I am certain—it was the first time they spoke that this suggestion was made—I did not drink when they asked me—the conversation about the case took place before I unloaded, and I had another conversation with Smith when I came out—I did not speak to my master about it before he taxed me with it—he was angry and said he would put me away on suspicion—he warned me two months ago not to speak to anybody, but the prisoners spoke to me.

Cross-examined by Smith. The first day I saw you was on a Tuesday in March—I did not go to a public-house with you—you got on the shaft, and I saw you every morning after that outside the stable until you were taken.

"WILLIAM RILEY (Policeman 256 M). On 31st April Mr. Taylor spoke

to me in Spa Road, and I saw the prisoners standing against a coffeeshop on the same side—Murphy was driving a van—Smith went up to it, and Murphy pulled up—Smith put his foot on the traces and said something—Jones was standing by—I took them in custody—they were taken to Mr. Taylor's yard and then to the station—Jones said to Mr. Taylor "You will have to pay for this"—I do not think I mentioned that before the Magistrate—I found this hammer on Jones, it has a wedge at the end.

Cross-examined by MR. GILL. It is used for opening egg cases and packing cases—the Crown is about 200 yards from Mr. Taylor's place—Mr. Taylor held his finger up and I went to him—he said "I give these men in charge for tampering with my men"—he did not say "inciting"—Jones said he knew nothing about it.

The Prisoners' Statements before the Magistrate. Jones says: "I heard Taylor say that he could make his men say what he liked. He said that in the yard of the Court. Why did not Murphy come at first? I am not guilty." Smith says: "I am not guilty."

H. TAYLOR (Re-examined). I did not say in my yard, or in the yard of the police-court, or anywhere, that I could make my men say what I liked.

Smith's Defence. He said he saw me in February and March—I was run over about the middle of February and smashed my large toe and my ankle. I never stirred out and the doctor can prove it. It is because I have once been convicted of robbery that I have been charged, but I am not always going to be a thief. If Mr. Taylor had anything against me, why did he not lock me up? My house is not two minutes' walk from his yard. I wish to call Dr. Lloyd, and my landlady, Mrs. Foster. I have been getting an honest living for 18 months. This detective said he would get me 20 years if he could.

DR. LLOYD and MRS. FOSTER being called, did not appear.

GUILTY . Henry Levy, a shoemaker stated that he lived near to Jones's father, and had seen cases brought there, one of which contained cashmere shawls; that Jones opened it, took out the contents, and filled it up with horsedung in Smith's presence, who he had also seen bring in cases.

JONES— Twelve Month's Imprisonment .

SMITH— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment .


6th May 1878
Reference Numbert18780506-543
VerdictSpecial Verdict > unknown

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