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Sessions Paper.








Short-hand Writers to the Court,










On the Queen's Commission of



The City of London,





Held on Monday, August 18th, 1873, and following days,

BEFORE THE RIGHT HON. SIR SYDNEY HEDLEY WATERLOW , BART., LORD MAYOR of the City of London; The Hon SIR GEORGE WILSHIRE BRAMWELL, Knt., one of the Barons of Her Majesty's Court of Exchequer; SIR THOMAS DICKSON ARCHIBALD , Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Common Pleas; THOMAS QUESTED FINNIS, Esq., SIR ROBERT WALTER CARDEN , Knt., WILLIAM LAWRENCE , Esq., M.P., ROBERT BESLEY , Esq., THOMAS SCAMBLER OWDEN, Esq., CHARLES WHETHAM, Esq., and JOHN WHITTAKER ELLIS, Esq., Aldermen of the said City; Sir THOMAS CHAMBERS , Knt., Q.C., M.P., Common Serjeant of the said City (acting as Deputy-Recorder); and ROBERT MALCOLM KERR , Esq., LL.D., Judge of the Sheriffs' Court; Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer and General Gaol Delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.

SIR THOMAS WHITE , Knt., Alderman.








A star (*) denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars (**) that they have been more than once in custody—an obelisk (†) that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.


OLD COURT.—Monday, August 18th, Tuesday 19th, Wednesday 20th, Thursday 21st, Friday 22nd, Saturday 23rd, Monday 25th and Tuesday 26th, 1873.

Before Mr. Justice Archibald.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-483
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Miscellaneous

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483. AUSTIN BIRON BIDWELL (27), GEORGE MACDONNELL (28), GEORGE BIDWELL (34), and EDWIN NOYES HILLS (29), were indicted for feloniously forging a Bill of Exchange for 1,000l., with intent to defraud the Governor and Company of the Bank of England. Second Count, for uttering the same. Other Counts varying the mode of charge .

MR. H. S. GIFFARD, Q.C., MR. WATKIN WILLIAMS, Q.C. MESSRS. POLAND H.D. GREENE, and J. H. CRAWFORD conducted the Prosecution; MR. MCINTYRE, Q.C., with MR. MOODY, defended Austin Biron Bidwell; MR. POWELL, Q.C., with MR. BESLEY, defended Macdonnell; MR. METCALFE, Q.C., with MR. STRAIGHT, defended George Bidwell; and MR. RIBTON, with MR. HOLLINGS, defended Hills.

JOSEPH JAMES CHASE . I am a clerk to Messrs. Freshfields, the solicitors to the Bank of England—on 12th August I served a notice to produce upon the prisoners personally in Newgate, and also upon Mr. Howell, the attorney for the two Bidwells and Noyes, and upon Mr. Wontner, the attorney for Macdonnell, at their respective offices—I produce the original notice—on 16th August I served a further notice in the same way.

EDWARD HAMILTON GREEN . I am a tailor and army clothier, carrying on business, in partnership with my son, at 35, Savile Row—I know the prisoner Austin Bidwell by the name of Warren, and Macdonnell by the name of Swift—I recollect their calling upon me in April, I believe about the 18th, with another person, to order some clothes—it is my practice, when persons call to order clothes, to ask them to sign a book, which I produce—the two prisoners signed theirs, Austin Bidwell as F. A. Warren, and Macdonnell as Edward R. Swift, both of 21, Enfield Road, Haggerstone; the third person, I believe, did not sign, I don't recollect him; he was introduced by the name of Siebert—I made them a considerable quautity of clothes—on the 4th of May the same two prisoners called again in a cab,

and I think with a third party, but that I won't swear—they tried on the clothes I had made for them—we entered into conversation, and I understood them to say they were going to visit Ireland; they did not say when; they had a eab at the door, with luggage on it, and they said they were in a hurry to catch the train; I understood that they were going to Birmingham first, then to Liverpool, and from Liverpool to Ireland—in the course of conversation Austin Bidwell said he had more money than he thought it prudent to leave at his lodging or hotel—I said "Is it of any amount?"—he said "Yes, it is some amount"—I think he said about 2,000l.—that being the case, I declined to take charge of it, and said "I should recommend you to deposit it with some bank; my banker's is close at hand"—he said "We have very little time to spare, we are in a hurry to get a train"—I said "It will not take you long; I can take you down there"—I then accompanied him to the Western Branch of the Bank of England, where I kept an account—I saw Mr. Fenwick, the sub-manager—Mr. Pimm was the manager at that time, he was then absent—I introduced Austin Bidwell to Mr. Fenwick, describing him as an American gentleman and a customer of mine, and that he had a certain sum of money that he wished to deposit—I think I mentioned his name as Warren—he was alone with me—the signature-book was then brought for him to write his name and address—I think Mr. Fenwick asked how he was to be described, and he said as an agent, I think—he handed the money to Mr. Fenwick—I think I was present when he signed the book—Mr. Fenwick gave him a chequebook—he said that more money would be remitted to him in the course of a week, I think 1,000I., and how should he manage, should it come through me—Mr. Fenwick replied that there was no occasion for that now, as he had opened the account there was no occasion to trouble me—we then returned to Savile Row, and the three parties left in the cab; at all events, Austin Bidwell and Macdonnell did—I fancy I saw them afterwards two or three times at our place of business—I sent the clothes to the address they gave—the first order went to Enfield Road, Haggerstone.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I cannot, without referring, tell when it was that I first saw Austin Bidwell, it was in April, at all events, when he gave the order for the clothes; he was measured at that time—on 4th May he came to try them on—his name was put in my book before the 4th May; we made the entry from his dictation; here is his signature, which he wrote himself, "F. A. Warren, 21, Enfield Road, Haggerstone"—there is no date put—I cannot tell you when that signature was written—the first time he came he was in company with Macdonnell; I won't swear that there was anyone else at that time, or on 4th May, but I fancy there was; yes, I think there was—there was more than one person with him when he came on 4th May, and when we came back from the bank there was more than one person waiting for him—when I was examined before I don't think I mentioned any other person but Swift as waiting for him—I don't think I suggested to him to put the money in my bank—he wanted to leave it with me, and I suggested that I should not like to have so much money left with me, and he had better put it into the bank—I introduced the name of the banker to him—I told him that the bank was in Burlington Gardens, close by, and then he said he would go with me to the bank—the principal part of the money he handed over was bank notes—he gave the same name at the bank that he had given to me—I had seen him more than once before the 4th May.

Re-examined. The date of the first order was on 18th April.

EDWARD ELLIOT GREEN . I am in partnership with my father, the last witness—I recognise the prisoners Austin Bidwell and Macdonnell—I was present when they called and ordered clothes, in April, 1872—there was a third person with them who I never saw afterwards—I should think I might say that I saw Austin Bidwell and Macdonnell at Savile Row nearly twenty times—I am perfectly certain they are the persons—the third person gave no name or address.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I saw them on 4th May; I saw Austin Bidwell and Macdonnell, and to the best of my belief a third person, another third person.

Re-examined. I have no belief as to who that third person was.

ROBERT FENWICK . I am now, and was in May last year, the sub agent of the Bank of England at the Western Branch in Burlington Gardens—Mr. Green was a customer of oars at that time—I recollect his coming to the Bank on 4th May with a strange person; it was the prisoner Austin Bidwell—he was introduced by Mr. Green as Mr. Warren, an American gentleman, who had a considerable amount of money which he wanted taken care of—I inquired of Austin Bidwell his name, and he said "Warren"—the signature-book was produced, this is it, and he wrote this "F. A. Warren"—I asked him to write his name in full, and he then wrote "Frederick Albert Warren"—they are both here—he gave his address "Golden Cross Hotel"—he wrote that himself—I asked him how I should describe him; he did not give me an answer exactly at once; he then gave me to understand that he was over here on business—I can't remember his exact words—he said he had acted more as an agent for others than for himself—I said "Then shall I describe you as a commission agent?" and he said "Yes"—I entered his description in our ledger—he opened the account with a sum of 1, 200l.—I gave him a cheque-book—the numbers in it were Q R 16, 501 to 16, 550, to bearer—this credit-slip was made out at the time; I wrote it in his presence—I said a pass-book should be prepared for him, and be ready when he called—I believe he afterwards called for it—he said he should have more money to pay in, and he asked me if it must come through Mr. Green—I told him that was not necessary—after that I did not transact much business with him myself—I remember seeing him on 17th January this year, at the Bank, in the agent's room—Colonel Francis, the agent and manager, was there at the time—after a little conversation about various incidental matters, he threw down this bill of Rothschild's for 4, 500l. on the agent's table, and said "There, I suppose that is good enough paper for you"—he spoke on that occasion about his business, about sleeping cars; he said that he hoped to see the sleeping-cars introduced shortly abroad, so that our English tourists might use them in going to the Exhibition at Vienna—he also stated that he had the choice of three different factories at Birmingham, and that he was going there at once, and he hoped to commence business by the 1st February—he mentioned also a patent break, and also a signal light for placing in front of the engines—when he put down the bill, he asked to have it discounted—Colonel Fraser acceded to his request—that was a genuine bill, and was subsequently paid—his account continued at the Bank until 1st March—I think his passbook was sent to him once before that; we never received it back—when it was sent to him it contained all the paid cheques up to the date of making up the pass-book, as is our custom—we have some credit-slips here made

out in his handwriting, between May and August, 1872—it is the practice for a customer to sign when he receives a cheque-book—Warren received two cheque-books; he received the second on 3rd January—that was one hundred cheques, payable to order, Nos. Q Q 82, 801 to 82, 900—I have the cheque signature-book here, with his signature, "F. A. Warren" on both occasions, 4th May, 1872, and 3rd January, 1873—we put down the letters and numbers of the cheque in the book.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. When he was first introduced to me he mentioned his address as the Golden Cross Hotel as well as wrote it—I have that book here—these are my initials, to certify that I saw him write it—I did not make inquiries at the Golden Cross—I wrote out the first credit-slip; it is amongst these—it is all my writing—"Bank of England notes, 1,000l., coin 3l., drafts, cheques, &c., 197l.;" that was one cheque on the Continental Bank for 197l.—that was the amount he paid in on that day—I next received money from him on 13th May—I did not myself see him write these credit slips—they are paid in over the counter in the ordinary way of business—I am speaking to them from the knowledge I have of his handwriting, from seeing him write his signature in the book—I saw him write in the stamped cheque-book on the same occasion, on 4th May—this second column is not for the address; it is in case it is given to some other person than has an account—I was not present when these credit-slips were handed in with the accounts—I can't exactly say whether I saw him in June last year—I do not recollect his speaking to me in June about closing his account at our bank; I don't recollect it at all—to the best of my belief he did not; I am not aware that he ever spoke to me on that subject—I will swear that he did not speak to me about closing his account during last year, nor did I advise him not to close it—I never remember his speaking to me about closing it—it is such a common thing for persons to say that when their balance is low, but I don't remember it at all—his balance was low at the end of May—I did not see him write this other signature in our signature-book—the Golden Cross is the only address he gave us—I did not give him the pass-book myself—I am not sure that it is known exactly who gave it to him—the first time it was sent on by post to Birmingham—I did not send it; it was sent by the passbook clerk.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. On the 3rd of January, 1873, we gave him the second cheque-book—he then had a balance of 3, 600l.—it was on the 17th of January that the genuine bill was offered for discount—including the discounted bill for 4, 580l., his balance was then about 3, 800l.—on the same day he drew out 1, 500l. by a cheque payable to self—the balance of 3, 800l. was after he had drawn that out at the close of the day—after 17th January, the first bills offered for discount were three on the 22nd of January, amounting to 4, 250l.—we received them by post—those are alleged to be some of the forged bills.

PEREGRINE MADGWICK FRANCIS . I am the agent at the Western Branch of the Bank of England in Burlington Gardens—I entered upon my duties as agent on the 3rd of June, 1872—I was afterwards absent on leave from the 27th of July to the 28th August—up to that time I had not seen the customer named Warren—I first saw him there on the 3rd of September, it was the prisoner Austin Biron Bidwell—he brought some Portuguese bonds, and asked me to take care of them for him, the nominal value of them was 8,000l.—Mr. Fenwick introduced him to me as Mr. Warren—he sat

down in my room—in the course of conversation he told me generally what he had come over to England for; he said that he had come over to introduce sundry American inventions, first and foremost among which was the sleeping oars, and some other inventions, but that was the principal one—he also spoke about a steam break, and I asked him some particulars about it which he declined to tell me, as it was a secret—he said he hoped to have the cars running on the line between Paris and Vienna, so that all the visitors at the forthcoming Exhibition might make use of them, and that no country in future would be able to do without them; that he hoped afterwards to introduce a Company for the same purpose into England, and that then he hoped to have a good account at the Branch—but I understood him to say that at that time he was simply wishing to introduce them on this foreign line, from Paris to Vienna—he said he was going to work at Birmingham—I don't think anything more was said about Birmingham at that time; that was the substance of the conversation—he told me that he came from America, and there was no doubt of it—the sleeping ears are American cars—I undertook to take charge of the 8,000l. Portuguese bonds for him, and filled up one of our forms and he signed it in my presence—this is it—it is simply a request to hold, it is an office voucher for us, he signed it in my presence: "London, 3rd September, 1872. The cashiers of the Bank receive and hold the undermentioned securities amounting to 8,000l. on account of F. A. Warren. Securities, 43 Portuguese 3 per cent, amount 8,000."—on 4th of September I saw him again, he brought some more 3 per cent Portuguese bonds, 4,000l. nominal value—he said that he wished to have the whole sold, and he fixed a limit upon them, 41 3/4 I think it was.—I undertook to sell them for him—I wrote out one of our usual requests and he signed it in my presence; "4th September, 1872. To the agent of the Bank of England, Western Branch. Sir, please sell 12,000 Portuguese 3 per cent., at a limit of 41 3/4 per cent. 12,000l. F. A. Warren. "Those were ordered to be sold for the account—that was near the market-price at that time, it was a very close calculation—on the 9th of September I saw him again—the account days are in the middle and end of the month—he called on me on the 9th, before the account day—he asked me to give him an advance of 2,000l. on those bonds—I do not remember that he mentioned why he wanted it—I made him the advance from that date up to the account day, up to the time of the sale—he signed this paper in my presence: "London, 9th, September, 1872. To the Governor and Company of the Bank of England. I request that you will advance to me at the rate of 4 1/2 per cent, per annum, the sum of 2,000l., upon the undermentioned securities, which advance I engage to repay on the 13th instant. Signed, F. A. Warren. Portuguese 3 per cent, bonds, 12,000l.; and in case the said security should not be redeemed at the above period, I hereby authorise you to sell the same and repay the advance thereon. "This is filled up in my own handwiting, it is quite in the ordinary form—it was signed by him in my presence and he was credited with the 2,000l.—the bonds were sold and realised 5,025l., that went to his account on 14th September—I did not see him at all times that he came into the bank, it was not necessary, but I certainly saw him on the 29th of November, and I may have seen him on the 26th—he then brought me two bills on Suse and Sibeth, for 500l. each, and asked me if I would discount them for him—these are the two bills, they are drawn by Isidore Hess and accepted Suse and Sibeth, dated the 31st

of October, 1872, at three months, drawn at Ferrara, payable in London—they were due on the 3rd February and were paid—he asked me whether I would discount these bills for him—I said I must inquire about them first and see—I took them down to the City and got permission to discount them for him—they were discounted on the 29th of November—I saw Austin Bidwell on that day—I am not sure whether he brought those bills in on the 26th or 29th—they might have been discounted after he left—I did not see him after I had been to the City about them—he said he might ask us to discount a few more bills of the same character—these bills for 500l. each were discounted, and the amount, less discount, was placed to his credit—they were due on the 3rd of February and were paid in due course—I saw him again on the 23rd of December—he then told me he was going to Birmingham about his workshops, and so on, and would send us a few bills of the same stamp as those we had had from Birmingham—I think I gave him to understand that I would wait till I saw the bills—he then left, and on the 30th, which was Monday, I think I received this letter from him, dated the 28th of December, which contained a memorandum of these ten bills (produced) which agreed with the memorandum sent with the letter—(Read: "28th December, 1872. To Col. P. M. Francis, Bank of England, Western Branch. Sir—Enclosed I hand you bills for discount as per accompanying memorandum, will you please to place the bills to my account and oblige yours faithfull.

F. A. WARREN. P.S. I have been delaying to send you these bills in expectation of the lowering of the rate; however as I have given cheques to day overdrawing my account, you will please place this to my credit.") (The bills enclosed amounted to 4, 307l. 4s. 6d.) Those were all genuine bilk, I discounted them and they were all paid at maturity—the proceeds of the discount was put to Warren's account, and I did not see him again till some time in January, the 17th I think, but I am not quite sure whether I saw him on the 6th, I think I did—the balance standing to his credit at the end of the year was 3, 604l. 13s. 3d.—on the 17th of January I saw him in my own room, he brought a bill with rather a flourish, put it down on the table in an off-hand sort of a way, and said "There, I suppose that will be good enough paper for you"—it was on Rothschild'sfor 4, 500l.—I looked at it, saw that it was genuine, and discounted it for him—up to that time, including that bill and the two bills in November, I discounted genuine bills for him to the amount of 9, 807l. 3s. 6d.—in the list of bills I discounted to the end of December there is an acceptance by Mr. Gillman, and the next time I saw Warren I said that we had made enquiries about that bill and we did not want to have a larger amount upon that acceptor; the bill was a good bill, but the bank held sufficient on that acceptor—it was not an objection to Mr. Gillman—it was a Manchester bill—our rule is not always to take London bills, the bank holds from various parties—after that we never got another acceptance of Mr. Gillman's sent to us—after we had discounted Rothschild's bill on 17th January, the account was partly drawn against, and on the night of 21st January the balance standing to Warren's account was 47l. 4s. 6d.—on that night I noticed that Austin Bidwell looked exceedingly ill, and he told me he had had a bad fall from his horse; he did not tell me how it occurred—that was the last time I saw him till he was in custody at the Mansion House—on 22nd January I received this letter, containing this memorandum, and three bills, in a registered letter from Birmingham—the bills amount to 4, 250l.—the letter is, I believe, in Warren's writing

and signed by him, and the bills are, I should say, undoubtedly endorsed by him—all the genuine bills are endorsed by him. (Letter read:"Birmingham, 21st January, 1873. Dear Sir,—I hand you herewith, as per enclosed, memorandum bills for discount, the proceeds of which please place to my credit. F. A. Warren. Memorandum of acceptances paid into the Bank of England, Western Branch: acceptance of the London and Westminster Bank, due March 23rd, 1,000l. International Bank of Hamburg and London, April 11th, 2,050l. Bank of Belgium and Holland, Limited, 1,000l.; total 4,050l.") (The bill which was the subject of the Indictment was here read: "Valparaiso, November 6th, 1872, drawn by H. C. Streeter on the London and Westminster Bank, at three months after sight, in favour of Messrs. Berenberg, Gosler & Co., Hamburg, for 1,000l. Accepted 28th December, 1872, by the subcountry manager of the London and Westminster Bank, H, F, Billinghurst, and W. H. Nicholls pro Secretary. "Endorsed" F. A. Warren," and "Berenberg, Gosler & Co.") Three of the acceptances on three of the bills are the same as three in the batch of 7th December; they purport to be the same acceptors—those bills were discounted and the account credited with the amount—they were presented when they became due on 31st March, 3rd April, and 14th April, and were returned as forged—on 22nd January, I recieved from Birmingham this registered letter and memorandum of bills, dates, and amounts—I do not undertake to say that the letter is in Warren's writing—I do not think it is his signature, but I should say that it is an imitation of it—I took it at the time as Warren's signature, having no suspicion—the endorsement on the eight bills, is, I should say, an imitation of his, there are certain little characteristics wanting—I took them at the time as his endorsement, and they were discounted and Warren's account was credited with the amount. (MR. MCINTYRE objected to the reception of this evidence, as, if there was an imitation of Warren's writing, there might also be forged letters written to withdraw the amount, and that the letter was not shown to have been brought to Warren's knowledge, THE COURT considered that it would be a question for the Jury whether it was done by Warren's authority.) The bills amounted to 9, 350l., which amount was placed to the account on the 25th—two of the bills are acceptances of Rothschild, similar to the one on 17th January, and two bills are acceptances of Blydenstein, similar to the genuine bills sent up at the end of December—there was also an acceptance on the Anglo-Austrian Bank, similar to the one sent up at the end of December—there was also an acceptance of Suse and Sibeth, similar to the acceptance to the two bills which Austin Bidwell gave me at the end of November—the stamp and acceptance are the same, "Accepted at Martin & Co. "s'—there is also an acceptance of the London and Westminster Bank, similar to the one on the Lucardie bill sent up at the end of December, where the words are "sub-country man."—the last is on the International Bank of Hamburg and London, which is similar to one of the bills sent up to the end of December. (Letter read: "Birmingham, 24th January, 1873. To Col P. M. Francis, Manager, W. B. B. of England. Dear Sir,—Enclosed I hand you bills for discount as per enclosed memo., and which please have placed to my credit on receipt. The reduction in Bank rate came quite opportunely for my wants. Signed, F. A. Warren." "Memorandum of acceptances deposited in the Bank of England by F. A. Warren with a list of the various eight bills and the amounts." (There were originally ten bills, but two, for 750l.

and 800l., were struckout, and the total which was originally 10,900l. was reduced to 9, 350l. The 9, 850l. represents the amount of the eight bills—on 4th February I received this letter dated Birmingham, 3rd February, enclosing eleven bills amounting to 11,072l. 18s. 6d.—I discounted them, and Warren's account was credited with that amount—the signature to that letter is very bad indeed; it is cot so good as many of the others, not so like his signature—I passed it at the time as his signature, but now looking at it, with my present experience, I say that it is a bad imitation—the signature to the bills is a better imitation than the letter, if it is an imitation—there is an indecision about the signatures to the bills which makes them very doubtful but I passed them at the time—the letter was registered; all the letters that came from Birmingham were registered. (The acceptances enclosed were one of Rothschild's, on of the Bank of Belgium and Holland, one of the Anglo-Austrian Bank, one of the International Bank of Hamburg and London, one of Blydensteiris and one of Baring Brotlwrs.) The bill for 2, 500l. on the International Bank of Hamburg and London, Limited, was refused payment beyond 25l., it having been altered from 25l. to 2, 500l., and all the other bills were returned as forgeries—(Letter read: "Birmingham, 3rd February, 1873. Dear Sir,—I did not duly acknowledge your esteemed favour of the 24th of January, as I daily expected to come to the City, but do not find myself yet able for the journey, still suffering greatly from my fall, or rather its effects; but I hope to see you before long. Please direct as last, as I am staying with a friend a short distance out of town. Letters will reach me directed to this office. I enclose you bills as per mems, of which please place the value to my credit on receipt. Yours faithfully, F. A. Warren.") I acknowledged the receipt of those bills by writing to "F. A. Warren, Post Office, Birmingham"—on 10th February I received this registered letter, dated 8th February, and this memorandum—it enclosed two bills, the amount of which was 4, 642l. 19s. 4d.—(Letter read: "Birmingham, 8th February, 1873. Dear Sir,—Your favour of the 4th, acknowledging receipt of bills, mailed 3rd instant, came duly to hand. Enclosed I hand you bills and memorandums, proceeds of which place to my credit on receipt, and accept assurances, &c. Yours faithfully, F. A. Warren. Mem. of bills sent on 8th February, total, 4, 642l. 19s. 4d.") Those two bills were presented at maturity, and returned as forged—I had discounted them, and credited the, account with them on 10th February—on 13th February I received this letter and a batch of bills, amounting to 14, 696l. 16s. 2d., which were discounted, and the amount placed to the credit of the account—(Read: "Birmingham, 12th February, 1873. Dear Sir,—Enclosed I hand you bills for discount as per memorandums herewith. Please have proceeds placed to credit of my account on receipt. Yours faithfully, F. A. Warren. P. S. My dear Sir,—The mail was so near closing when I wrote my last that I did not have the time to make a proper acknowledgment of your good wishes in my behalf, as expressed in the P. S. of yours of the 24th inst., and I now take occasion to return you my sincere thanks, and to inform you that I am gradually but slowly recovering, and also am succeeding thus far in matters of business to my wish. Yours faithfully, F. A. W. Yours of 10th duly received.") Those bills were presented in due course, and returned as forgeries—on 21st February I received this registered letter and memorandum, and sixteen bills, amounting to 14, 686l. 15s. 4d., which were discounted, and the account credited with them—the bills were presented and returned as forgeries—(Bead: "Birmingham, 20th February,

1873. Dear Sir,—Enclosed I hand you bills, with mems., for discount, proceeds of which please place to the credit of my account on receipt. Yours faithfully, F. A. Warren. Colonel P. M. Francis, manager. P. S. My dear Sir,—I am happy to inform you that my doctor reports me as doing finely, with the prospect, should no drawback occur, of resuming my active life again in a few days. Under these circumstances I hope soon to have the pleasure of seeing you, and in the meantime, I remain, dear Sir, yours obliged, F. A. Warren.") On 25th February I received this registered letter and memorandum, and bills amounting to 19, 253l. 10s. 3d.—I discounted them, and credited the account with them—they were presented in due course, and returned as forgeries—(Read: "Birmingham, 24th Feb., 1873. Dear Sir,—Enclosed I hand you memorandum with bills for discount, the proceeds of which please place to my credit on receipt, &c. F. A. Warren.") I also produce a registered letter from Birmingham, dated 27th February, which contained, I think, twenty-four bills, amounting to 26, 265l.—I discounted all but two of them, and on 28th February credited the account with 24, 265l.—the two I omitted to discount were two which purported to bear the acceptance of Blydenstein for 1,000l. each, payable three months after sight, but the date of the acceptance was omitted; they were not sighted, but the stamp was on them—they were sent to Blydenstein on the 28th, to be sighted, and were returned as forgeries—the remaining portion of that batch, the 24,000l. odd, were presented in due course, and returned as forgeries—(Letter read:"Birmingham, 27th February, 1873. Dear Sir,—Enclosed I hand you memo, with bills for discount, proceeds of which please place to the credit of my account on receipt. I have yours of 25 ackg. rect. of bills sent on 24th. Yours faithfully, F. A. Warren. P. S. My dear Sir,—I take this opportunity of thanking you for the trouble you have taken in my behalf in making special application to the Bank Committee about the AngloAustrian and Russian Bank bills. I have some of each, to amount of about 6,000l., and shall either get two endorsements on them or return them to my friends. Accept, dear Sir, the assurance of my esteem, while I remain yours faithfully, F. A. W.") The custom is to return the cancelled cheques in the pass-book—when the discovery was made with regard to the two Blydenstein bills there were certain cheques which had not been returned—these cheques (produced) which have been paid but not returned are all out of the book delivered on 13th January—there are eleven here, they are all out of the second cheque-book, and they are all drawn to order—they are not all the same number, they follow on—they agree with the chequebook delivered, and are all signed "F. A. Warren."

MR. MCINTYRE. Q. Is the filling up his? A. I cannot say, but the signature I have no doubt about; I have studied it a good deal, and I know all the peculiarities of his signature now—I have seen him write three times, but only his signature; on those occasions the forms were filled up by somebody else and signed by him—I think those are the only times I have seen him write—I judge from that and from our signature-book also, which was signed in Mr. Fenwick's presence.

Examination-in-chief continued. If the cashiers have any doubt, they refer to the signature-book before paying cheques—Bills read: "19th February, 1873, for 2,000l. in favour of Clark & Co., or order, endorsed ‘Clark & Co, 'and 'Jay Cooke, McCulloch & Co. '—20th February, 1873, for 4, 500l. in favour of C. J. Heorton, endorsed ‘C. J. Heorton; and again ‘C. J. Horton, 'with a memorandum in a corner, 'Endorsement irregular'—20th

February, 1873, for 6, 300l. in favour of C. J. Horton, endorsed 'C. J, Horton'—21st February, 1873, for 2, 100l. in favour of J. C. Mitchell, originally 'or order, 'but altered and made payable to bearer, initialled by the drawer and endorsed 'J. C. Mitchell'—22nd February, 1873, for 3, 500l. in favour of and endorsed by Messrs. Clark & Co.—24th February, 1873, for 10,000l. in favour of and endorsed by C. J. Horton—25th February for 6,000l. in favour of Thomas Carter, and endorsed 'Thomas Carter' and 'C. J. Horton'—27th February for 10,000l. in favour of and endorsed by Messrs. Clark & Co.—27th February for 5,000l. in favour of W. R. Graham, originally 'or order, 'but made payable to bearer, endorsed 'W. R. Graham '—27th February, another for 7, 500l. altered from ‘order, 'to bearer, 'to C. J. Horton; crossed on the face, ‘Jay Cooke McCulloch & Co. '—28th February, 2, 500l. in favour of and endorsed by C. J. Horton, and crossed 'Continental Bank.' "Those are all the cheques I have left of Warren's—when the account was debited with those cheques, the balance standing to Warren's account was 1, 859l. 16s. 10d. without the last cheque for 2, 500l. which was not paid—the total amount of money drawn out after the 22nd January, when the first lot of forged bills came in was 100, 405l. 7s. 3d.—the total amount of bills returned as forged was 102, 217l. 19s. 7d.—I have got an accurate copy of the accounts from the ledger, and the ledger is here, showing the whole account, including Warren's account from the 4th of May to the time of the discovery—the cheques drawn and paid are entered on the day they are paid.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. The amount of everything paid in to his credit up to the close of December is 17, 504l. 19s. 4d.—the amount paid in actual cash was a little over 8,000l., including the Portuguese Bonds and deducting the bills discounted—I am wrong; we only discounted 5, 300l. in bills to December, and 12, 200l. would be the amount paid in in actual cash and securities—all the bills I discounted up to December were genuine, and 4, 500l. was discounted on 17th January for Rothschild's, which was paid—that was the only one paid after December.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I have been the manager of a bank about thirteen years—I was in the Army before that—I was sub-agent for a bank at Leeds, agent at Hull, and afterwards at the Western Branch—I entered on my duties at the Western Branch on 3rd March, 1872—I was sub-agent and agent to the Bank of England—I succeeded Mr. Pimm—I did not go over the accounts with him; I bad a sub-manager, who could give me all the information—we have the addresses of every customer in our books—my attention was called to Warren's account at the close of August, on my return from leave on the 29th—I did not go through the account—an ordinary drawing account would not be allowed to be overdrawn, and it would not matter where his address was—the only address I had was the Golden Cross Hotel—he was simply described in the ledger as a commission agent, at that address—that is in the ledger—I did not make inquiries at the Golden Cross Hotel about him—the account commenced with a payment of 1, 200l. in the way that has been described—I have only a list of bills and the account—a great portion of the account was withdrawn on my return in August; the balance must have been under 100l. at the end of August; it was about 39l.—he paid in on the 26th and 27th August 200l. altogether—the account stood at 219l. on 3rd September—page 155 of the depositions shows both sides of the account—on 3rd September he brought 8,000l. of Portuguese Bonds—I did not then make inquiries as to

his address—he gave me no address at Birmingham, except "Post Office, Birmingham"—the Portuguese Bonds were sold, and we placed the amount to his credit on 14th September—he drew out upon that account by a cheque to Jay Cook of 3,030l. 12s. 6d., which you will see in the account on the 14th—it must hare been the old cheque-book—I discounted these bills on 29th November—they were dated 31st October, and were Suse and Sibbeth's; two bills of 500l.—I cannot tell whether it was the 26th or 29th when he asked me to discount them; I am doubtful whether it was on the 26th or 29th I saw him—I cannot recollect if I discounted the bills the same day I saw him—I did tell him I would make inquiries about them—I did so, at my head office only—the balance in his favour then was 1, 658l.—the two bills I discounted are here—they were payable in London—I did not make inquiries at the place in the City where they were payable; that would not be usual—I cannot say what I led him to believe—from what they said at my head office in answer to my inquiries I discounted the bills—I am not aware if I saw him between the 29th November and the 23rd December—I received on 30th December a letter of the 28th, containing some bills—all his bills received before 21st January were genuine, and paid at maturity—I wrote to him at the Post Office, Birmingham at his request, and only there—the bills were acknowledged—the Bank of England has a branch at Birmingham—the first letter I received from Warren was the one containing the batch of bills which were discounted on 30th December—I had no letter from him between 28th December and 21st January, 1873, nor before 28th December—the letter of 21st January did not strike me as being different from that of 28th December—it is somewhat different—there, is a general similarity between all the letters after the 21st January, which, without suspicion being excited, would not attract attention—I believed all the' letters to be in the handwriting of Warren—I cannot say when I changed my opinion, but it was after a process of study—I do not know anything about Mr. Chabot; I have only seen him to speak to him quite lately—I do not know that the documents were submitted to him—I see that the letter of 21st January is much more cramped—the signature is larger than the body of the letter—it appears to be written with the same ink—with my present knowledge I would not say that the letter is in the handwriting of Warren—I do not say that the signature was written at the same time—I think the signature is Warren's—the colour of the ink is very much like the colour of the ink in the writing; it looks pretty much the same colour—the signature is not a stiff writing; I think it is quite as free a signature as those in the other letters; look at the two "r's"—I don't know that it was after the last examination that I changed my opinion as to these other letters being in Warren's handwriting; I don't know when the last examination was about handwriting—I don't know that it was when I found he was not in this country at the time these letters were written from Birmingham that I changed my opinion—I did not learn that for a considerable time—it may have been so; first of all I thought they were his writing, and afterwards I thought not—I did afterwards find from inquiry that he was out of the country at the time those letters bear date—I also compared the writing—it may possibly have been one thing that made me change my opinion; I don't think that was altogether the reason that made me change my opinion in the first instance; very likely that induced me to make further comparison of the letters—the indorsements on the bills after 21st January are much more like his

signature than a great many of his writings that I have seen—I think they are not his writing—I believe the indorsements on these three bills that came in the letter of 21st January are in Warren's writing—I don't know whether these signatures have been submitted to Mr. Chabot—these indorsements have all the little peculiarities of his signature—I don't think they are suffer than the signature to his letter of 28th December; I think they are written freely—there are several peculiarities, and one is in the stroke of the "f" and the crossing in the stroke of the "f"; he never joins the crossing of the stroke of the "f" to the crossing—I have had that peculiarity pointed out to me; not by Mr. Chabot—it was not my own discovery in the first instance—when he was with me on 17th January he certainly looked very ill—I don't think he was ever at the bank after that day, I never saw him—the stamp of the London and Westminster Bank on the bill which is the subject of this indictment, is about the same as on the genuine bill we had—I don't think it is exactly like the other bills we had of theirs, there is a peculiarity in the stamp; here is a "B in the word bank not finished, that is a peculiarity that might easily have escaped in finishing the stamp—I noticed it at the time—I made inquiries to this extent, that all the bills for a very considerable period were shown at headquarters previously to being discounted; I either took or sent them to the head-office to see whether I should discount them before they were discounted—I was discounting to a very great extent, from 21st January to 28th February upwards of 100,000l., for a man whose only address was "Post-office, Birmingham"—we have not many of those sort of things in our bank—the bills came in very sharp indeed after the 21st January—all these bills were submitted to head-quarters, and his address also; the bills were of a very first-rate class, and I suppose stood upon their own merits—from 14th May up to the end of December everything I did for him, including discounting bills, was 17,000l.; but in this one month, from 21st January to 28th February, I did bills to the amount of upwards of 100,000l.—I made no inquiries at Birmingham and caused none to be made—the cheques commence on 19th February, the pass-book left the bank on 17th February—our post-book shows that it was dispatched on that day, it was sent by post to "Post-office, Birmingham"—I don't know whether that was in answer to any communication; I don't find any written request among his letters; it is not unusual to send a man's pass-book periodically—that address had always found him—I have no memorandum showing under what circumstances I sent it—the ledger has a mark in it on 17th February which shows it was sent; my chief clerk informed me that it was sent on 17th February—he is not here—it is usual to put a sort of mark in the ledger, the date up to which the account is made when the pass-book is sent—it would be in the post-book, the letter clerk would enter it in his post-book as dispatched—there would be no account of the circumstances under which it was sent; the request may have been a verbal one, but I don't know anything of it, I find nothing in writing about it, I have searched to see—I have produced all the papers that purport to come from Warren, they have been produced here to-day—I did not myself take the bills of Blydenstein over to their office on 28th February—they went down by a clerk who goes to the City; he generally goes about 1.30 or so—those cheques that were crossed would be paid through a banker in the regular way, and the others over the counter; those for 2, 500l. and 700l. are both crossed.

Cross-examined by MR. METCALFE. I speak to the signature of the

cheques, not the filling up; I won't undertake to say whose writing the filling up is—two of the cheques have been altered from "order" to "bearer," with initials; I cannot speak to those initials—they are apparently not in the same handwriting as the signature; that, no doubt, escaped my attention at the time; I can't say they are in the same handwriting, apparently they are not.

Re-examined. The discounts became larger after the 17th—in the conversation on the 17th, Austin Bidwell said, that he hoped to have his work shops in full operation by 1st February—that was on the same occasion when he brought Rothschild's bill—I had no doubt of the genuineness of the bills at the time.

HENRY FARNCOMB BILLINGHURST . I am sub-country manager of the London and Westminster Bank, at the head office in Lothbury—I am the submanager of the country office that includes foreign bills; everything that is not London—this bill, purporting to be drawn by Streeter & Ca, of Valparaiso, upon and accepted by the London and Westminster Bank, is a forgery so far as the acceptance is concerned—I never saw Mr. Streeter's signature; I know nothing of any such transaction—the signature to it, "H. F. Billinghurst," is not my writing; it is a bad imitation of it—this is not the signature of Mr. Nichols, it is an imitation of it—the stamp is an imitation of our stamp—it stops at the words "man. "and "secret," that was the same with our stamp at one time; the block under the stamp was failing just at the end; it was not done on purpose, the stamp itself has the completion of "bank" and "manager," and so on, but the block underneath, upon which it is stamped, gave way at one time—this (produced) is a genuine bill accepted by us, this is my signature, it has the same defects of the stamp—here are other bills purporting to be acceptances of the London and Westminster Bank, they are all forgeries—none of the supposed drawers have accounts with us.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I presume this name on Streeter's bill is intended for Billinghurst, it could be made so, there is an "i" and two "l's,"—I should never mistake it for my writing, I say it is a bad imitation of it—it is an imitation certainly.

WHITFORD HENRY NICHOLS . I am a clerk in the London and Westminster Bank—I at times sign acceptances for the secretary when required to do so—the acceptance to this bill of Streeter, purports to be signed by Mr. Billinghurst and me, they are forgeries; this is not my signature, it is a very fair imitation of it, but a very bad one of Mr. Billinghurst's—these all purport to be signed by me, but I have not signed any of them, nor do I know the drawers' names, they are all forgeries—they all have the stamp of the London and Westminster Bank—the stamp is always put on the bills we accept and send to the London and Westminster Bank—we have many thousands of these bills in the course of a month, and that was so last year—we gave no authority to anyone to sign our names.

JOHN RUDOLPH LORENT . I am manager of the Bank of Belgium and' Holland, Limited—these bills (produced) purport to be accepted by our bank and signed by us, the signature is not ours—this is an imitation of our stamp and of my signature—I gave no authority to any person to put my name on any of these bills—I sign as manager, and Mr. H. Holman Shuman as sub-manager—this is not his signature, but an imitation of it—these (produced) are two of the genuine acceptances, with the genuine stamp and signatures on both.

Cross-examined by M. MCINTYRE. We accept hundreds of bills in a month—this is a very bad imitation of my signature, and this is very little like Mr. Shuman's signature—the stamp is copied from our office stamp, and is like the stamp of our genuine bills, of which we have hundreds a month.

HERMAN GWINNER . I am managing director of the International Bank of Hamburg in London—the signature to these eleven bills is not mine—the form of acceptance is like that adopted at my bank—the bill A 95 is not the signature of Mr. Falk, the sub-manager—this (produced) is a genuine acceptance of the bank—I do not see what the paper has to do with it.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. The drawers find the paper, we do not make it a sine qua non that they shall all use the same paper—Mr. Falk and I always sign bills, and hundreds of our acceptances are out—they are all stamped—these are bad imitations—this mil, No. 177, was drawn in the Brazils—it was originally 25l., it is now 2, 500l.—it is all written in straight "twenty-five hundred."

Re-examined. The "hundred pounds" is in different writing, the "und" of "pound" has been used to make "hundred," and there are two cyphers after the 25.

ALFRED CHARLES DE ROTHSCHILD . I am a member of the firm of N. M. Rothschild & Son—I have examined this bill—the acceptance "N. M. Rothschild" is not in my writing, or that of any of the firm—the stamp across the bill is an imitation of ours—this (produced) is a genuine London bill of Sir Antony de Rothschild for 4, 500l.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. The genuine bill was drawn by our house in France on our house in London—all the members of the London firm sign the same name, but the handwriting is different—the stamp is used by a clerk in our office—this stamp is exactly like ours—if anyone had got hold of the genuine stamp, it would naturally have made the same impression as this.

Re-examined. This purports to be in the writing of Sir Antony de Rothschild, but it is a forgery, and the others are all forgeries—they are imitations of this genuine bill, some might think them good, some might not.

CHARLES JOHN SIBETH . I am a member of the firm of Suse and Sibeth—all these bills which purport to bear the signature of our firm are forgeries—these two bills far 500l. each, discounted on 29th November, are undoubtedly genuine.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. Two partners sign bills, and three gentlemen hold our procuration—this stamp, "Accepted at Messrs. Martin & Co.," is used in our office on our genuine bills; no bill is accepted in our office without that stamp—the stamp is in the hands of a special clerk, who gets them ready for acceptance; it is in his hands in the day, and is locked up in the safe at night—other clerks might take the stamp in his absence.

FRANCIS HAMILTON . I am a member of the firm of Shipley & Co., merchants, City—these three acceptances are forgeries; they are an imitation of my signature—this (producid) is a genuine acceptance—every member of the firm signs.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I was not examined before the Lord Mayor—this is our usual stamp; it goes on all bills, whatever member of the firm signs them.

CHARLES LLOYD NORMAN . I am a member of the firm of Baring Brothers—the acceptances to all these bills are forgeries; they are imitations of the

signature of our firm, and of our stamp—the bill for 1,000l. (One of the ten sent up on 10th December) is a genuine bill of our firm, and has the genuine stamp to it—the forged bills are an imitation of it in the stamp and signature.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. If I saw the stamp alone I should not know whether it was an impression of our real stamp—there are eight members of our firm, they all sign the name of the firm.

Re-examined. The stamp is an excellent imitation, but I have not compared the two.

FREDERICK MOYERN . I am a clerk in the Russian Bank of Foreign Trade—I know the signature of Mr. Sperth, the manager—this is not his signature, but it is the form of acceptance used at our bank—this other bill (produced) bears our genuine signature.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. Two signatures are always required, Mr. Sperth'a and the deputy manager's, Mr. Fuerst, and in his absence I sign—the forged bill pretends to be signed by me—it has a stamp on it.

JOSEPH TUSSAUD BYNG . I am assistant to the manager of the Union Bank of London—these eight bills are not genuine.

WILLIAM HENRY TRUMPLER . I am a partner in the firm of B. W. Blydenstein—these bills are not genuine—this one (produced) is a genuine bill.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. There are three members in the firm, and they all sign the name of the firm.

COLONEL FRANCIS (recalled). The letter which came on 13th December was a registered letter.

JOSIAH WINSPEAR . I am a waiter at the Queen's Hotel, Birmingham—I know George Bidwell—I have seen him twice at the Queen's Hotel—I last saw him there about the middle of February—he occupied a private room—on the second occasion I found the sitting-room door locked.

Cross-examined by MR. POWELL. The Queen's is a large hotel, accommodating a little over 100 guests—there was nothing that attracted my attention to the prisoner besides the door being locked, and that was in February last—I was spoken to about this matter about March—I believe it was the fore part of March—Mr. Stevenson spoke to me, one of Mr. Freshfiejd's clerks—he spoke to me in the coffee-room—he asked me if I saw such a gentleman, and what I tell you is the result of what I told him—George Bidwell had a dark overcoat on and a light-coloured scarf, almost a white scarf, and a satchel, or sort of travelling-bag, over his shoulder—that is not an unusual custom in Birmingham—I noticed he was a kind of foreigner-looking gentleman—there are a great many gentlemen of that description in Birmingham—I did not notice anything except that.

ALFRED MORLEY . I am a cab proprietor at Birmingham—I know George Bidwell—I first saw him on or about the 20th February—I took him in my cab from the Queen's Hotel to the post-office at Birmingham—he gave me. a note to fetch a letter, and a 2s. piece to buy a shilling stamp—there was an address written on the piece of paper, and I was to ask for a letter to that address—I did so—he sat in my cab while I went in—there was one letter for him at the post-office—I gave it to the prisoner and drove him back to the Queen's Hotel—he paid me 1s. 2 1/2 d.—he said that was all the change he had got—I noticed he spoke with a foreign accent—I should judge him to be a Yankee—I saw him again, about two or three hours after, get out of another cab—Barker was the driver—I spoke to Barker at the time about it.

Cross-examined by MR. POWELL. That was on or about 20th February—the next time I saw him after that day was at the Mansion House; I don't remember when that was, it was two months afterwards, I daresay—he was then in the dock at the Mansion House—I came from Birmingham myself—I was sent for by Mr. Freshfield—I saw one of Mr. Freshfield's clerks before I left Birmingham—there were two persons in the dock when I saw him—the other was Hills—my stand is usually in the path leading to the Queen's Hotel—I take my stand there daily, and have done for about seven years—some days I don't drive one person from the Queen's Hotel in the course of the day—I do not frequently drive persons coming out from the Queen's Hotel—I stand at the Queen's Hotel, but I very seldom get a job there—there are railway cabs that get the jobs there—I stand outside the gates, opposite the statue—I saw the prisoner coming out of the hotel—it is not five minutes' drive from the hotel to the post-office the whole time he was under my observation was about a quarter of an hour—my observation was while he was getting in, while he was speaking to me, and when he got out again, and I saw him two hoars after get out of Barker's cab.

JOSIAH WINSPEAR (re-called). The next time I saw the prisoner was in the dock at the Mansion House after I had seen him at the hotel—there was only one other person in the dock with him, who I recognise now as the prisoner Hills.

JOHN BARKER . I am a cab-driver at Birmingham—I drive one of the cabs allowed to go into the premises of the London and North Western Railway—on or about the 20th of February, I had George Bidwell in my cab, and I saw Hills also the same day—I remember the last witness speaking to me—I took George Bidwell from the Queen's Hotel to the postoffice—I pulled up at the door, and he told me to get off my box—I got down, and he handed me a large letter, and told me to register it, and anything more to pay I was to pay it—it was stamped—I went and registered it, and I brought out the receipt to him, he folded it up very small, and tore it up in very small pieces—there was nothing extra to pay upon the letter, the stamps were sufficient—I then drove him back to the Queen's Yard, opposite the Queen's Hotel, and he jumped out—he did not pay me; he said he would send my fare out—he went and joined Hills, and they stood talking about a minute, perhaps—Bidwell turned round and looked at me, and went into the hotel, and Hills turned for the Railway Station, and presently one of the boots of the hotel brought me my fare out.

Cross-examined by MR. POWELL. I had not seen either of them before—this was on or about 20th February, about 3. 40—the lamps were not lighted—it was quite light at that time—I next saw them at the Mansion House—Morley and me had some conversation about it the same day, about the way he did his business—we were at the Mansion House together—I can't say whether I was in the room when he was examined—I think the first time we saw them we did not give evidence at all—I saw them on two or three days at the Mansion House—no one took me to show me them—I went in and saw the same men—I knew they were arrested—I went to the Mansion House on purpose to see them—I came up from Birmingham for that purpose, of course—I had a notice from Freshfields, and I went and saw them—I think I was examined the second journey we had up—that was some time in March, I can't speak to a week—I did not come up with Morley, I saw him when we got to London—I saw him at the Mansion

House—I believe I heard the latter part of his evidence, I was out at the door when he was called into the witness-box—we talked it over previous to hearing of any forgery—we talked about the way that Mr. Bidwell did his business—we went down once in the mail, but there were several people with us; we might have had one word, but I don't remember anything about it—that was before the examination—I have been shown a sketch—Morley might have seen it too, but not in my presence—a gentleman from London showed it to me, but I can't say who he was—he might have been a detective—that was about three weeks or a fortnight before I went to the Mansion House—I have not seen the sketch since—the person who got into my cab came out of the Queen's Hotel, and directed me to drive to the post-office—that is about 150 yards—he sat in the cab while I went into the post-office—I handed him the register receipt, and while I stood waiting for orders he was tearing up the receipt—he tore it up openly before me—he chucked the bits out of the cab, and one piece was left on the cab, it was rather wet, and he knocked it off with his umbrella or stick—there was none left in the cab—I never saw him again till I saw him at the Mansion House—I was up twice, I think, before I saw Bidwell—I came up afterwards and saw him—I have been in the same situation as cab-driver for ten years—sometimes I carry ten persons a day, perhaps twenty, perhaps five; it is very uncertain—the letter I registered was for America.

Cross-examined by MR. HOLLINGS. The Queen's Hotel is under the same roof as the station—the yard is in front of the hotel—when I drove Bidwell down there I saw Hills standing at the entrance to the station, about eight or nine yards from where he alighted from the cab—he was waiting under the arch leading to the booking-office—when Bidwell joined him they stood still about a minute, talking, and then Hills went to the station and Bidwell went into the hotel—Hills walked directly away from me—that was the only time that I saw him—I saw him for a minute and a half or two minutes—it was not raining then, but it had been—there were very few people about—if Bidwell had paid me my fare I should not have noticed the other man—I was looking after Bidwell—I believe I was up at the Mansion House first in March—it was the beginning of March—I know at that time that Hills was in custody—I went to the Mansion House to see him, but I was not examined until after Bidwell was in custody—I identified Hills—I told my friend Morley so—I did not tell anyone else—we talked it over previous to knowing anything about it.

Re-examined. I don't know to whom the letter was directed—I remember it was to America—we book the time we go out for a job, and the time we come back, every job we do, and when my attention was called to this, I found what jobs I had done—that makes me certain it was 20th February.

SEYMOUR LOUIS PINTO . (Interpreted.) I am a bill broker at Amsterdam—I recognise George Bidwell—I knew him by the name of H. E. Gilbert—I knew Messrs Citroen and Zonen at Amsterdam, gold manufacturers, they work up gold—early in November, 1872, I learnt from them that a stranger would probably call upon me, and a day or two later Mr. Gilbert called upon me—a commissionaire from the hotel came with him—he gave me the name of Gilbert, and said he had some bills in his possession which he had brought with him from Frankfort, which he wished to discount—I declined to discount them—he inquired whether he could obtain any long bills in Amsterdam or Germany—I said it was very difficult to obtain

anything of the sort, as that sort of bill was very dear in Amsterdam—I told him that there were some bills on Hamburg in the market the day before, and possibly he might obtain them—he gave me an order to buy bills to the amount of about 20,000 guilders, and I was to only buy them from good houses—I asked him subsequently what he was, and he said he had some business connected with the railway works—I bought some bills for him, and the following day he called and paid me in Dutch bank notes—the day on which he paid for the first bills he gave another order to buy further bills to the same amount or rather more—those were bought and paid for in the same way—a day or two after he bought the bills there was a change in the currency, and a day or two later he came to me to sell those bills for him again—he said he had made a mistake and wished to get rid of them again—I said he would have to put up with a loss—when I went on Change I learnt the alteration in the currency and found there would be such a great loss in selling the bills that I would not do it without further orders—I explained that to him and he told me to sell the bills, that it did not matter to him, he had made such large profits on bill transactions in Frankfort that he could well afford to stand the loss, and he intended to buy something else by which he could recoup himself—the loss was from 500 to 600 guilders, about 50l. sterling—with the proceeds of those resold Hamburg bills, he instructed me to buy some fresh bills on London—he wrote the particulars on paper for me—I wrote the "F. A. Warren" at the bottom, because the "W" in "Warren" in the body of the paper was not plain enough for me to read, and I wrote it again myself—(Read: "3,000l. three months, to the order of F. A. Warren, 1,000l. sight same order.") He left after he gave that order—I suggested the name of Blydenstein and the Amsterdam Bank, because it was easy to get bills there—I bought these four bills for him. (One was drawn by Philipps, Sohne, on the Bank of Belgium and Holland for 1,000l. two for 500 of Suse and Sibeth and another for 1,000l. of the Amsterdam Bank, on the Bank of Belgium and Holland.) There was a bill of Cohen on Allard, but that was paid—I delivered those bills to George Bidwell—he paid for those with the proceeds of the Hamburg bills and there was a balance which he paid in Dutch bank notes—I saw George Bidwell four or five, or perhaps six, times—I did not see him after the transactions I have referred to—I received a letter on the 22nd of November from him, but that was before he left Amsterdam, before the last interview; when I saw him he referred to that letter—it was signed H. E. Gilbert. (This letter stated that he could not buy any more bills before Thursday or Friday, but would call on Thursday or Friday, at 1 p. m.) I saw Gilbert after I received that letter—he inquired whether I had received the letter—I did not receive any bills enclosed in that letter—I had those bills which George Bidwell had brought with him in my possession at the time—I afterwards received other letters from him from London—I received this letter of the 20th November, containing 860 guilders in Dutch bank notes. (Read: "To S. L. Pinto Esq., care of Jay Cooke Mc Culloch & Co., London. November 20th, 1872. Dear sir,—Enclosed I hand you 860 florins, for which I should like you to send me a three months' drawn on the Amsterdam bank from London—I shall be over again next month, yours truly, H. E. Gilbert.") The post between London and Amsterdam is one day—I made a purchase for him according to the order in that letter, and sent it to him in a letter—I received this reply; (This was dated London, 23rd November, 1872, from Gilbert acknowledging the

receipt of the draft.) On 2nd of December, I received this farther letter from Gilbert inclosing 2, 185 guilders: (This was dated Novemlter 30th, 1872, and requested the witness to send, for the amount enclosed, a three months' bill on Berenberg, Gossler and Co.) I made a purchase according to order, and sent it to him by post, and received this acknowledgment from him: (This was dated 4th December, 1872.) I received this letter of 2nd January, 1873, containing 1, 490 guilders: (This requested, in return for the endos d, a three months' bill on London from the Amsterdam bank.) I made the purchase for him, and sent it to him by post, and received this acknowledgment; (This was dated llth January.) On 25th January I received this letter containing 6,010 guilders, but the letter only mentioned 6,000: (This was dated 24th January, requesting bills on London of three months, or having one month to run.) I bought for him this three months' bill on Baring's for 500l., dated 25th January, 1873, drawn by A. Gerson, on the Anglo-Australian bank—I also enclosed in the same letter a small bill for 4l. 10s. on Samuel Montague—I received this letter of 9th February, dated the 7th: (This acknowledged the remittance and enclosed 650 florins, for which he requested a three months' bill on London, of the Amsterdam bank) I answered that letter the day I received it, stating that I could not do business with such a small amount, I then received this letter from him: (This was dated 13th February, enclosed 410 florins more) I replied to that, stating that even with that further amount I could not obtain a three months' bill—I received a telegram on 25th February, which I think I have lost, and I sent him a further letter with an enclosure: (This and the former letter was mentioned in the notice to produce served on the prisoner, and MR. POWELL contended that the notice was insufficient, in point of time and particularity. MR. JUSTICE ARCHIBALD, however, held that it was sufficient) I or my son wrote the letter; I signed it and sent it by post—I have not received any complaint of its non-arrival—it was addressed "H. E. Gilbert, care of Jay Cooke, McCulloch & Co.—I sent him in that letter a bill for 87l. 10l.—I have not heard from him since.

Cross-examined by MR. POWELL. I first communicated with the prisoner in Amsterdam, through Mr. Phillips, between 2 and 3 months back; Mr. Phillips is an advocate in Amsterdam—I told him exactly as I have done to-day, about three months ago—I first received an intimation that I should be required in England at the beginning of June—I received that intimation from Mr. Phillips—I did not write down what I had to say, Mr. Phillips did so for me—he said he wished it for transmission to England—I have not been in England on this business before, I came last Friday—besides the name of Blydenstein, I suggested to George Bidwell the Amsterdam bank, and probably others—I am not able to fix exactly the dates of the particular interviews, I did not make any memorandum of them, but I have a book in which the business was entered; that is here, the dates of the interviews were 5th November, 7th, llth, 12th, and 13th—it was on 13th and 14th November I gave him the bills on Suse and Sibeth and the Amsterdam bank; I handed those to him personally—I have a memorandum of them on that date in my book—this (produced) is the book, in which I made the entry at the time—all the transactions I had with him were in the ordinary course of business as a broker, such as I transact with a great number of other persons.

Re-examined. When I was asked to come over, I consented at once, that was at the beginning of June.

WILLIAM GUEST BARRETT . I was purser on board the Atlantic, one of the White Star line of steamers—on 7th December last I saw the prisoner Hills sail from New York on board the Atlantic—I saw his ticket in his possession—this is it (produced)—it is made out in the name of E. N. Hills—I frequently had occasion to speak to him on board, and addressed him as Mr. Hills—we arrived at Liverpool on 17th December, about 3 o'clock p. m., I think—he only had one small value with him.

Cross-examined by MR. HOLLINGS. I am not purser of the Atlantic now—I am on board the Adriatic—I read that ticket while it was in his possession—he did not hold it up for me to see; it was put into my hands by our passenger agent, as there was some mistake about his room—I did not take it from Hills, but I saw it handed to him—he was booked in a room with Colonel Steele, who objected to having him in there as he had taken the room for himself—I saw his luggage placed in the room which I assigned to him afterwards—if he had luggage in the hold I should have known itAmericans generally travel with a good deal of luggage—by a small' quantity of luggage I mean only one package, a portmanteau or box—I believe I was asked in April to come as a witness—my attention had not been drawn to the case at all.

Re-examined. Mr. Laws, the agent, handed me this ticket (produced)—Colonel Steele came to me and objected to anyone being there, as he had made a distinct arrangement to have the room to himself—the arrangement was "If forward room is not cleared, to have berth 58"—that is what called my attention to the ticket—he was a saloon passenger—the fare is ninety dollars gold.

JOHANNES DE WAAL . I am a banker, of Rotterdam, in partnership with my father—I first saw Macdonuell on 15th November, 1872, at my office at Rotterdam—he asked if I could purchase one or more bills on the London and Westminster Bank for about 600l.—I told him that the London and Westminster Bank bills were difficult to get, more than other banks, but I would try to get them—he produced 7, 435 guilders, which is 622l. 3s., and said that if I bought the bills I was to send them to an hotel in London, which I cannot recollect—I handed him 4l. 10s. in gold, and told him that I would remit the remainder to his direction—I gave him my own draft on London for 17l. 13s., and said "Just go to Mr. Blydenstein and he wilt then know that it is all right, and remit it to me," and I gave him a card—I purchased a bill drawn by Lucardie on the London and Westminster Bank for 300l., and one on C. Gillman, Esquire, for 300l.—of course there was a little difference of 1s. 4d., which I made an account of, for postage and registration—he told me that the bills were to be drawn to the order of F. A. Warren, and I afterwards received this letter signed "F. A. Warren"—I sent the bills by registered letter to "F. A. Warren" at the address he gave, and afterwards received this letter, signed "F. A. Warren," and enclosing the printed card which I had given to him to show to Mr. Blydenstein—the letter is in French—(M. METCALFE objected to the admission of this letter, as it was not proved to have come from Macdortnell, or to have been written with his authority.

MR. W. WILLIAMS contended that the card which the witness had given to Macdonuell being contained in the letter was proof that it came from him).

MR. METCALFE. Q. Do you recollect the card coming back in the letter, independent of the letter itself? A. Yes, I remember the card without the letter.

(THE COURT considered that the letter was written by

Macdonnell, or by his authority, and therefore admitted it. It was in French, dated London, 19th November, 1872, signed "F. A. Warren" addressed to Mr. De Waal, acknowledging the receipt of his registered letter containing bills to the amount of 6221. 3s., and enclosing the card.) I also received by post this letter, dated 24th January, 1873, purporting to be signed by W. J. Spaulding, and containing Dutch notes; after the receipt of which I purchased this bill for 158l. 13s. 5d. with the amount of the Dutch notes—I enclosed the bill in a letter to Spaulding, at Clews, Habicht & Co.'s, London—I received no acknowledgment.

Cross-examined by MR. METCALFE. Mr. Phillips, from Amsterdam, came to me about the evidence I was to give, and told me that persons from Amsterdam were coming to prove the same thing—he showed me two photographs, and after I came over I was taken to the Mansion House and saw the four prisoners in the dock—that was before their commitment—they did not take my evidence there—I only went once to the Mansion House—I was with Messrs. Freshfield—nobody pointed out the prisoners in the dock then—I saw them all four together—that was after I had seen the photographs—I have not got the photographs with me—I am sure it was Macdonnell I saw—it was the second prisoner from this side—I am a Dutchman—Amsterdam is two hours and a half by rail from Rotterdam—Mr. Phillips, who came to me, did not tell me that George Bidwell was at Amsterdam, he only told me that there was a certain case in hand, and if I was called to London to give evidence would I do so—he said that there was other evidence to come from Amsterdam, but I did not speak to Mr. Phillips myself, I was not at home, nor did I see him at the Mansion House—I only came here to give information to Mr. Freshfield, and he took me to the Mansion House—I pointed-to Macdonnell in the dock, and said that it could not be anybody else but him—I could not recollect at that time which it was, hut I told him it was one of those three.

Re-examined. I have no doubt now that the second man from this side is the man who dealt with me.

MATTHIAS BARTRAM . I hold the procuration of Berenberg, Gossler & Co., at Hamburg—on 2nd December I received this letter, dated 30th November, signed "W. J. Spaulding," containing some 1, 400 thalers in Prussian bank notes, and we sent Mr. Spaulding two bills next day to Clew's, Habicht & Co., one of which was the one for 200l.—I knew nothing of Mr. Spaulding—this other endorsement is not the writing of our firm, it is a bad imitation. (This bill was the subject of the indictment.) I have seen this other bill before; it was sent to me to make up the balance.

EDWARD WILSON GATES . I am a partner in the firm of Wilson, Gates & Co., of Liverpool—on 2nd December, 1872, I saw Macdonnell in my private room, at Liverpool—he said that he had 2,000l. or 3,000l. to invest, that he had heard that we had bankers' bills, and he would like to have that amount—he desired what we call first-class paper—I showed him some bills in my bill box, and he picked out this one on Brown, Shipley & Co., which he said he would take. (This was for 1,000l., dated 22nd October, 1872.) This endorsement on it is in my writing, he paid me in Bank of England notes.

Cross-examined by MR. METCALFE. It was the third prisoner from me—I saw four photographs of four different people at Liverpool—I afterwards saw him in the dock at the Mansion House, and picked him out immediately—I had Seen several people pick him out in Court—I heard somebody say

that he was the one next to a policeman, and I believe he was next to a policeman—William Anderson was one of those who picked him out, and Mr. Coupland was another—I never saw Mr. Coupland till he came to the station-house—I was morally certain before he said that that it was the one next to the policeman—that means that I was certain—I did not pick him out from the photograph; I said I would not swear to the man by his photograph—I can't tell why I was brought to London—Macdonnell had no beard at that time—I believe there was only one man with a beard in the dock.

MR. GIFFARD. When I first saw him in the dock I had not the smallest doubt that he was the man who dealt with me for bills, nor have I now.

WILLIAM ANDERSON . I am a clerk to Richardson, Spence & Co., American merchants, of Liverpool—I know the third prisoner from here (Macdonnell)—I first saw him when he came to our office in Liverpool to know if I had any first-class bills for sale, it was somewhere about the beginning of December—I asked him the object of his inquiry, he said that he had received a large sum of money in England, and wanted to make temporary use of it.

(MR. METCALFE objected to this evidence, as it did not go to show the forgery or the uttering, it was only evidence of guilty knowledge.

THE COURT declined to exclude the evidence.) I said that we had no bills to sell, and asked him how he came to make enquiry of us—he said that he had seen our names on a letter of credit for which we are agents for several large American houses—I said that he would be more likely to get what he required in London than in Liverpool—he then asked me if there was anyone in Liverpool likely to supply what he wanted, and I said he had better try Samuel's bank—he asked me where it was—I said "In Castle Street"—one of our clerks, Mr. Coupland, happened to be in, and I asked him to go and show him where it was.

Cross-examined by MR. METCALFE. I saw the photograph at Liverpool, and when I saw him in the dock, I identified him—I was shown two sets of photographs at Liverpool, one set by the clerk to Bateson's, and the other by Brown & Co. of London—I saw Mr. Yates at Liverpool, we did not come up together, we were at the Mansion House together after the examination, but I never saw him till he was about to leave the Court after his examination—I don't think the man I picked out was next to a policeman—I picked out a man, and expressed to Coupland my opinion that he was the man—Coupland had not given his evidence then—I was asked if I recognised the man—I said that I did, and afterwards I gave my evidence—the man who came to me had a beard—Macdonnell was the only man in the photograph with a large beard; the man furthest off has a beard, and he had one then—there was more than one man with a beard in the photograph, more than one had hair on his chin.

EDWARD COUPLAND . I am a clerk in the house with the last witness—I saw the prisoner Mcdonnell in our office at the end of November, or the beginning of December last—I heard him ask for bills, which is a thing I never heard before in our office—he was speaking to Mr. Anderson—I, could not hear what passed on the other' side of the counter, but I was asked to take him up to Yates' bank, which I did, that is about 200 or 300 yards off—I was talking to him on the way—I have not the least doubt he is the man.

Cross-examined by MR. METCALFE. I went with Mr. Anderson to the Mansion House, and he told me that it was Macdonnell that he saw there,

but I thought so before that, and I said so afterwards—I had seen the photograph.

Re-examined. I had no doubt about him, I knew him as soon as he came up.

ERNEST CHARLES DE LORELLI —I am a clerk in the English office of Rothschild's in Paris—I first saw Austin Bidwell on 16th November, at our office, under the name of Warren, he entered and went up to the head of the office, Mr. Gatley, and asked for a bill at three months' date, for 4, 500l. on London—Mr. Gatley informed him that it was not our custom to gire long paper, and declined it—Warren went on to tell us about an accident he had been in on the Calais Railway at Marquise, and he left shortly afterwards—he had pieces of plaster on his forehead, and he looked very unwell—he returned about two hours afterwards, during which interval Baron Alphonse De Rothschild had come in—Mr. Gatley had had some communication with Baron Alphonse next door—Austin Bidwell then saw Mr. Gatley again and I was in the room, and Baron Rothschild came in and spoke to him, and he gave the Baron a substantial account of the, accident—I stood quite close to them and heard what was said—Baron Rothschild is one of the Directors of the Northern Railway of France—Austin Bidwell told the Baron what had occurred, and said that he had been very much shaken—the Baron said he was very sorry, and he very much sympathised with him, and would do what he wanted about the bill—this bill for 4, 500l. was then prepared and the prisoner paid down in the first instance 99,000 francs in Bank of France notes, he had not enough with him to make up the whole amount—the total amount was 113, 962 francs 50 centimes—he left his address at the Grande Hotel when he went away—somebody was sent round there and the full amount was paid to us.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE Baron Alphonse De Rothschild is not here—I was first told on 15th August that I was to come over here; the solicitor in Paris told me so—the solicitor came before the 15th of this month, I don't remember the date exactly, he came on the 14th, and he came before hat—I first gave my evidence to Mr. Maugham on the 14th—I had not given it to anyone before that, I had seen the solicitor in the office before—I don't remember the date, it was in the early part of the year—he showed me a photograph on the 14th, I did not see one before that; yes I did see one before, it was shown me by a friend; I don't remember the date, it was not long before; I only saw one photograph at that time—he asked if I recognised who it was, and I said "Yes"—I don't think I am called upon to say who my friend was, it was a relation of mine; he knew that I should very likely have to be called over about this, and he asked if I would like to see the photograph, to see if I could recognise it—I said "Yes," and he showed it me—that was a short time ago, when I was in London; I came over for a holiday—it was not anyone in Rothschild's house that showed it to me, nor anyone connected with this prosecution—it was after the prisoners were all taken up—I was not sure that I should be called as a witness, it was supposed that Mr. Gatley would have to come over; and I had to come instead of him—I was here about 12th July, that was when I was shown the photograph, I don't know where my friend got it—I object to tell you where I saw it—I took an interest in reading about this case; I believe I must have read portions of the evidence that was given at the Mansion House—I saw the man I now identify the other day—I was here on Mondays—that was the first time I recognised him; I had not seen him before—I was not here at the time the examination was going on at the Mansion House—

I was not told that I was to come over until the 14th or 15th of this month—I don't remember reading about one of the prisoners having been injured in an accident—the reason Mr. Gatley has not come is that I was there all the time, and they said my evidence would do as well as his—Mr. Gatley gave him the bill, and he was the person to whom the story was told in the first instance, but I was standing by and listening to it.

FREDERICK HEINRICH . I am a clerk at Rothschild's, at Paria—I prepared this bill by the instructions of Mr. Gatley—I took it to the Grande Hotel, and gave it to Mr. Warren; Austin Bidwell is that person.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I had previously seen him at the office, and I saw him here on Saturday—I have not talked the matter over with the last witness, further than mere conversation in the office—I think I was told that when I came here I should see the man I had seen at the bank in January last—I saw a photograph a few days ago, and was told that was the man.

EDWARD LEWIS OSGOOD . I am a clerk to Messrs. Drexell, Harjes, & Co., of Paris—I know Macdonnell—I saw him at Messrs. Drexell's on 29th January last—he deposited 50,000 francs with us on that day, in opening an account—he saw Mr. Harjes that day, and a letter of credit was prepared on Messrs. Morgan & Co., of London—I wrote a receipt for it, which Macdonnell signed—I was instructed by Mr. Harjes, in Macdonnell's presence, to prepare a cheque of 1,000l. on Morgan & Co., to the order of George Macdonnell—I drew it, had it entered, and returned to Mr. Harjes' room, where it was signed—Mr. Harjes then informed me that Mr. Macdonnell preferred a bill of exchange rather than a cheque, and this bill of exchange (produced) was given—it is drawn by Simpson & Co. on Messrs. Baring Brothers & Co., of London, for 1,000l., to the order of Frére Broeder, of Bahia—this is the second of the bill, the original we do not have, that is in London—this is endorsed by George Macdonnell—I saw him sign the receipt for the letter of credit, and he also gave specimens of his signature—I have one with me—he paid for the bill drawn by Simpson—some money remained to his credit after that.

Cross-examined by MR. METCALFE. It still remains—he gave me this slip of paper as a specimen of his signature, in order that I might know it when he drew upon us.

JAMES HARRISON . I am a clerk in the employ of Drexell, Harjes, & Co., of Paris—I know Austin Bidwell and Macdonnell—on 9th October last this letter was received by us, purporting to be written by Macdonnell—letters very frequently came to us, addressed to Mr. George Macdonnell, which we forwarded to the address indicated by him in his letter of 9th October, to, Vienna, Frankfort, Amsterdam, London, and Chislehurst—in December we received letters signed "A. B. Bidwell," containing a small amount to prepay postage on the letters we were supposed to have received—those letters were opened by members of the firm—I saw them, and the enclosuresafter the receipt of those letters, I forwarded letters to Austin Bidwell—I prepared them for the post; I did not take them myself—I saw Austin Bidwell a few days previously to 28th January and on the 28th—he inquired for letters, and paid a small amount on postage account—he inquired for letters addressed to Austin Bidwell and George Bidwell—I don't remember whether we had any at that time; I had given him some a day or two previously—he did not leave any address on that occasion—I saw Macdonnell on 29th January—he inquired for one of the members of the firm—I saw

the letter of credit, and also the bill for 1,000l.—early in February I received this letter, purporting to be written by R. Adama, enclosing a registered letter addressed to "Joseph B. Bid well, South Bend, Indiana"—I retained that enclosure in my desk for upwards of a week, and then forwarded it—it was fastened with a large seal, with the initials "O. B. "on it—these two letters (produced) are written by me.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I was not examined before the Lord Mayor—it was not decided that I was to give evidence until Thursday last—I was first spoken to immediately after the forgery was discovered, I believe the very day after, in March—it was spoken of in April as possible that some of us would be required in London—I saw Austin Bidwell on 28th January, and two or three days previously, I don't think quite as long as a week before, at our office, nowhere else.

OLIVIER BIXIO . I am the co-manager in Paris of the General American Agency—I recognise Austin Bidwell and Macdonnell—I knew Austin Bidwell under the name of Clark—I saw them both together on 29th January last—Clark came to take back some bonds which he had deposited the day before, 10,000 dollars of American Securities 5 per cent.—they were returned to him; we declined buying them; he had offered them for sale in our office—Clark then proposed to buy a three months' sight draft on London for 1,000l.; we had none, but we proposed that we should buy some for him on the Bourse that very same day, and I went to the Bourse myself and gave the order; he made a deposit of 1,000 francs as a guarantee that he would take the draft after it was bought—I purchased this bill for him—(This was dated 10th January, 1873, for 1,000l., drawn by Beitelli Sapuzi, of Constantinople, upon Georgio Affendi, of Trieste, at three months, payable to the order of Coronati.) That bill was passed to the order of Clark—he paid the balance, and the bill was handed to him.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE I have not been a witness before today—my evidence was taken three days ago in Paris—I had been absent from Paris; I returned on Sunday, and my evidence was taken on Monday—my partner gave information to the prosecution about March—he is not here—the American Agency is an American and English department of a French Society called "The Society for the Deposit of Accounts Current"—we are bankers—we allow interest upon daily balances—I knew Clark first, he was introduced to me by my colleague—I did not see him on the 28th when he came—I saw him on the morning of the 29th—I then saw the bonds he had deposited—I did not myself give him the bill, my colleague did, I saw it done—I was shown a photograph before I came here—I was first shown one some months ago—I can't tell exactly when—I think I was shown two photographs, but I could not assert that—I don't know the person that showed me them, he came once with Mr. Maugham; he was an Englishman—I have not seen him since—he showed me photographs of Clark and the man next to him, and I told him they were the men I had seen at our office—I forget whether he told me what they were wanted for, we knew that—this was the only transaction I had with Austin Bidwell.

WILLIAM BUTLER DUNCAN . I am a partner in the firm of D. Sherman & Co., of New York—I produce a variety of documents which reached me at New York—there is first a letter of advice from the post-office of a registered letter, then the envelope of the letter, and next a letter containing bank notes—also a letter sent to us by Droxell, Harjes & Co., addressed to George Macdonnell—the large euvclope contained sundry bills of exchange,

these are them, there are thirteen—the Deputy Sheriff of New York opened the letters and deposited the bills with us for collection, for his account under an attachment.

Cross-examined by MR. POWELL. I received these documents myself from the hands of the Sheriff, and they have been in my custody from that time to this, or in the custody of my correspondent here for collection—I received them from the Sheriff in the latter part of March—originally the letters were taken out of the post-office sealed—I received them myself from the post-office, and kept them until the Sheriff attached them, and they were opened by him at the latter part of March, and he gave me written instructions to collect them for his account; he handed them back to me the moment he opened them, and I forwarded them to Messrs. Baring Brothers, in London, for collection; they did not come into my possession again until this moment—the documents never left my possession till I sent them to Messrs. Baring—I had stood by my clerk and seen him put a mark on each of them—I took a list of them—I put the numbers for collection on each document—I took a description myself of each document, and of the mark put on it—I have brought that memorandum with me, and hand it in—I compared the documents with the memorandum afterwards, to see that the clerk had accurately taken down the mark—I have not seen the original list here, Messrs. Baring will tell you about that—I sent the list to them with the documents; I kept a press copy (produced)—I handed the bills one by one to the clerk, and saw him make the marks.

Cross-examined by MR. METCALFE. A porter from our office went and got the letters from the post-office—postmen do not bring letters in America—the porter delivers them to whichever partner is present, which happened to be me on that morning—he delivered them to me before I knew that there was anything wrong—the head porter delivered them into my hands personally on each occasion.

Re-examined. This is the press copy—I have compared it with the document which was made under my direction—I have not the slightest doubt that the documents which have been produced came in the envelopes I have described, or that the bank notes came in the envelopes I have described.

AUGUSTE FLEISCHMAN (Interpreted). I am clerk to Messrs. Koch, Lautéren & Co., brokers and merchants, of Frankfort—I recognise the prisoner Austin Biron Bidwell—I saw him on 1st February last at the office in Frankfort—he bought some bonds of us—he did not give any name—I produce a note of the purchase prepared by Mr. Lauteren—it was delivered to the prisoner at the time he purchased the bonds. (Read:"1st February, 73. Koch, Lauteren & Co., 15 thousand dollars, U.S Bonds, purchased in the name of Mary Kellogg, 1865-85,—36, 656 florins interest, 1st January, 1873,—200, total 63, 856-15.") He paid me in Frankfort bank notes—he gave no name, only Mrs. Kellogg.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. He was quite unknown to me—Mr. Lauteren attended to the purchase of these bonds—ho is not here—I was in the room close adjoining—I did not hand that paper to the man who bought the bonds—Mr. Lauteren wrote that—I had nothing to do with it—I was in the adjoining room during the cash business—I did not come over before the Lord Mayor, no one came from our house—I was asked to come about throe weeks ago—the firm were communicated with by the English Consul, and Mr. Lauteren told me I was to come over—he showed me a photograph,

he showed me three, of different persons, and I was told that the person had been arrested for the Bank forgeries—I have only seen Austin Bidwell here in Court since I saw him at the office—I was here on Monday—I did not see him pointed out by the other witnesses in Court—there was no one else in the room but him and Mr. Lauteren—ours is a very busy house.

BARON HUGO VON BETHMAN . I am a partner in the firm of Messrs. Bethman Frères, of Frankfort—I know the prisoner Austin Bidwell under the name of Frederick Aldridge—I first saw him on 30th January, he came with some United States bonds, which he asked us to sell for him—we agreed to sell them for him—he was known in the house before by that name—I had not seen him myself before—the amount of bonds we were to sell was 10,000 dollars on that day—we did so—there were nine bonds of 1,000 dollars each—these are press copies of the notes—I compared the originals with the press copies—the original entry in our books was made by one of the clerks—I did not myself copy the numbers of the bonds, but I saw the clerk, Ferdinand Clemens, do it—I saw the note that he made that was given to the customer—there was an entry made in our books, and I read it, and this is a press copy of the note made out for the purchaser—I had a complaint from the purchaser that one of the bonds was a little torn, but not as to the numbers—the numbers of the nine bonds for 1,000 dollars each are 7, 447, 48 and 49, 59, 944, 82, 731 and 32, 82, 734, 59, 945, 67, 625 and two bonds of 500 dollars each, 12, 336 and 38—those were all on that day—the value in English money would be a little more than 2,000l.—this bill was given to the prisoner in part payment: (This was a bill for 500l., dated Vienna, 16th December, drawn by Kappenttole on the Russian Bank for Foreign Trade.) I saw the bill given to him—the rest was paid in paper money of the Frankfort Bank—on 1st February he called again, and he asked us to sell 10,000 dolían more of the same kind of bonds—he said that their price was somewhat higher than it had been previously, and he thought it was a very good chance of selling them at that time—he did not say hew long he had had them—it was the fact that the price was higher, certainly higher than they had been three months before—I don't remember whether they had gone up between the beginning and the end of January—I sold the second lot of 10,000 dollars for him—I have the press copy of the numbers—there were nine bonds of 1,000 dollars and two of 500—the numbers the 1,000 dollar bonds were 7, 445, 67, 625, 71, 628, 65, 220, 82, 725, 7, 446, 59, 909, 67, 623, 82, 733—the two of 500 were 8, 692, 12, 333—the value would be about the same, about 2,000l.—I went to the bank and got some bills for him, all of large denominations, 500 florins—I did not give him the whole amount that day—I gave him 20,000 florins in advance, and those were new bills.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. We sell a great many American bonds in Frankfort—we were not selling a great number at that time;. other kinds of bonds we were—American bonds are extensively sold—I suppose we were selling other American bonds at that time—I have not got a memorandum of those here—we were selling American bonds at that time, but not of this kind—I tore the copies out of a book to bring here—I took them out last week—I looked at the book at this entry the day the bonds were sold—I wanted to see to whom they were sold—I did not transact the business as to selling the first lot—my brother did—he is not here—I was present in the office when it was done, in the same

room—I think I wrote some receipts, I know I wrote a receipt—the red ink on that paper was written in Germany by the clerk on the very day—the money was given to the man who got us to sell the bonds the next morning, and not by me—the cashier gave him the money—that was done in the office—I was not attending to him—I did not see the notes—when notes go into the bank they are re-issued—I saw the bill given, and I read it the very day before it was given to the purchaser—we had a great many bills in our possession that morning—I did not read them all—I made no memorandum of the bill on that occasion—I saw it given to Austin Biron Bidwell myself—I read it a few minutes before it was given to him—that bill was kept in the same place, where a great many other bills were kept, in a case—I saw my brother give him the bill—it was not put back into the case again after I read it—it was given to Bidwell who was in the next room when he read it—I looked particularly at the endorsement of the drawee—I knew the man who came by the name of Aldridge—he never told me himself that that was his name.

Re-examined. I did not hear any order given to put the endorsement of Spaulding on the bill; it was done after I gave the bill—we indorsed the bill to Charles G. Brown—I have no doubt this is the bill that was given to Austin Bidwell.

BIAS SCHWARTZCHILD . (Interpreted.) I carry on a banking and exchange business, at Frankfort—I believe I recognise the two Bid wells—I knew George Bidwell as H. E. Gilbert—I saw him at Frankfort first on the 13th or 14th October—he gave me an order to sell some American bondsAustin Bidwell gave me an order to buy some American Six per Cent, bonds for Mrs. W. Hall; I think that was in January—there were two or three lots—the second lot was a day or two afterwards—I can't tell you from memory what time in January the first lot was bought—the value of the bonds was about 5,000 dollars altogether—he gave me Dutch bank notes and Frankfort notes—I did not know Austin by any name at that time—I found the name on a note or bill—I did not know his name when I had the transaction with him about the bills—I have an open business, a shop, and he walked into the shop and did the business.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. The man was a stranger to me.

JOSEPH BUCKHEIM . (Interpreted.) I was formerly a clerk in the Frankfort Bank—I was so on 1st February—I know the prisoner, Austin Bidwell—I saw him at the bank on 1st February—I knew him as Henry C. Clark—he wished to buy two bills on London, one for 24l. 10s.—I showed him one for 19l. 4s.—he wished to have it endorsed to Payne & Co.—I endorsed it so and he paid me for it. (This was a bank post bill, dated 17th January, 1873, for 19l. 4s., in favour of Miss Jane Pavy, at seven days' sight, and endorsed Jane Pavy, Payne & Co., and W. J. Spaulding.) I only showed him that one.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. He was a stranger to me—I was first asked about this matter about three months ago—an official of the Bank of England came to me about it—I was not called as a witness before the Lord Mayor—the official of the Bank showed me a photograph—his name was Herr Smith—I have seen him here—he did not bring me over before I came over this time—I have not seen the prisoners anywhere else in this country but in the dock—I have not been taken to see them in prison—I came over here on Monday night—Herr Smith came with me into Court, and then I saw these four men while I was with him—Bidwell told me his name was Clark—I asked him what his name was, and he replied "Henry C. Clark."

ISIDORE WOLFF . (Interpreted.) I am a clerk in the employ of Messrs. Morepurgo, Weisweiler, & Co., merchants, in Frankfort—I hold the procuration of the firm—I recognise the prisoner Austin Bidwell—I saw him at the office in Frankfort—I knew him by the name of A. H. Trafford—on the 24th October a letter came to the office—I was not there at the time, but I saw the letter subsequently—I first saw the letter about three months ago (This was a letter dated "Mentz, October 24," and signed "A H. Trafford.")

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I only saw him once, and I never knew him before—an official of the Bank of England saw me, and took my evidence—he showed me a photograph—he did not tell me that was the man they were looking after for the Bank of England; he inquired whether I knew any of the portraits—he showed me three or four, and asked me whether I recognised any of the portraits—I first saw Austin Bidwell in this country last Saturday, in Newgate—I was taken to Newgate to see him—I don't recollect who took me.

FREDERICK ROBERT RUMSBY . I am a clerk in the Western branch of the Bank of England—I produce my counter-book—I paid these notes (produced) in answer to a cheque of F. A. Warren, on 29th November: seven 100l. notes, one 50l. note, and 50l. in gold—one of the 100l. notes is No. 22, 659.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I paid them in the ordinary way to a cheque of Mr. Warren's—the counter-book does not show in whose favour the cheque was drawn.

JOHN ALBION COXGOOD . I am a clerk in the Western Branch of the Bank of England—I have my counter-book here—I paid all these notes (produced) but one, on 2nd December, in answer to a cheque of Mr. Warren's for 1, 250l.

JOHN THOMAS STANTON . I am manager of the Continental Bank, 79, Lombard Street, City; it is also known as Messrs. Hartland's & Co.—I know Austin Bidwell as Charles Johnson Horton, and Hills as Noyes—I first knew Austin Bidwell on 2nd December, last year; he called at our bank and opened an account; he merely asked if he could open an account with us—he said that he had had an account with Messrs. Bowles Brothers; that he had been fortunate enough to have withdrawn from them a sum of 7, 500l. just previous to their suspension—he asked what interest we should allow; as he received a cheque-book we saw that it was going to be a current account, and the question of interest was dropped altogether—I told him that the question of interest on a current account would have to be settled by Mr. Hartland himself, who did not happen to be there then—he opened a drawing account in the name of Charles Johnson Horton, he gave that as his name, and signed this signature book "C. J. Horton," and then "Charles Johnson Horton, Charing Cross Hotel;" he wrote that—we assumed that he was an American—we understood from him merely that he was an American gentleman—the account was opened by his paying in 1, 300l. in Bank of England notes—he filled up this credit slip, it is one of our forms, "Hartland & Co., 79, Lombard Street, December 2nd, 1872. Credit, C. J. Horton, 1, 300l."—this note, No. 22, 659, was one of the notes; and these are the other twelve—at the same time I believe. I gave him change for one, a 100l. bank note—that was the first time I had seen him—he called again the following day, the 3rd, and wrote on this credit slip "C. J. Horton," he put against the word "Cheque," "245l. 10s.," it consiated

of two amounts, the particulars of which I put in, one was a cheque on Baring's for 50l., and the other, for 185l. 10s. was a cheque of F. A. Warren's on the Bank of England—that amount was credited to his account—on 5th December I believe I saw him again; I have a credit slip of that date, the name "C. J. Horton" and the date is written by him, it was a cheque for 95l. 3s., less stamp 1s.—it purported to be a cheque of J. H. Schroeder & Co., but I cannot speak personally to these matters—his account was credited with that amount; on the same day 1,000l. was drawn out by a cheque of C. J. Horton, it was paid in bank notes—on 27th December I cashed a cheque of Horton's for 100l.; I paid 90l. of it in bank notes, and 10l. in gold—these are the notes, two 20l. and one 50l.—I can't say whether I saw him on 30th December; this credit slip of that date bears his writing "C. J. Horton," it is for 1, 550l., it is a cheque on the Bank of England, drawn by F. A. Warren—that does not appear on the credit slip; it is an entry in the cash-book by Mr. Hartland; he is not here; it is inconvenient for both of us to be away at the same time—that 1, 550l. was credited to Horton's account—on 31st December there was standing to the credit of Horton's account 1, 645l. 11. 11d.—on that day I paid to Horton these bank notes, four of 20l. and one of 5l., 85l. in all, in payment of a cheque of his; the balance was struck after that—on 9th January, 3,000l. was paid in to—the account in Bank of England notes—this is the credit slip, the body of it is in Mr. Hartland's writing—I received the 3,000l. myself, the initials "C. J. H.," are the prisoner's, Austin Bidwell's—I have here the credit slip of 11th January; the whole of that is in Horton's writing, it is a credit slip of bank notes, 500l.—I did not take the numbers—I have nothing to do with the numbers—that sum was credited to Horton's account—on the same day there is another credit slip for 450l. in banknotes, and "Credit, C. J. Horton, notes, 450l., by C. J. H."—that is also Horton's writing; those notes were credited to his account—on 11th January a sum of 3, 933l. 2s. 10d. was drawn out, I presume by a cheque of Horton's, it is debited to C. J. Horton—I have no personal knowledge of that; no one else drew on that account—the entry is in Mr. Hartland's writing—we gave him in payment two drafts on Paris to his order, one for 50,000 francs, another for 22,000 francs, both drawn on Messrs. Meyer and Piesse, of Paris, and French bank notes for 28,000 francs—on 6th January a cheque of Horton's for 1, 250l. was paid over the counter in these twelve 100l. notes and one 50l.—when the account was first opened I gave a cheque-book to Horton containing twenty-four cheques; and on 11th January a fresh cheque-book was delivered to him containing forty-eight cheques; I don't think he signed for them—on 16th January 75l. was drawn out by a cheque of Horton's in one 10l. and three 5l. notes, and the rest in money—these are the Nos. that appear in the books—I have only the 10l. and one 5l. note here, there are two 5l. missing; these are a portion of the notes given in payment of that cheque—I produce a credit slip of 18th January for 3, 304l. 16s. 9d.; the greater part of it is in Horton's writing; it consisted of two cheques on the Western Branch of the Bank of England, one for 1, 600l. and one for 1, 704l. 16s. 9d.—it does not state by whom they were drawn—on 21st January 2,000l. was paid in bank notes on a cheque of Horton's, that cheque has been put into the pass-book and returned in the ordinary manner—I cannot state the exact date when the pass-book was last given up—we have not got the pass-book, we have some of the later cheques in our possession, but not this cheque, the papers and vouchers

are all in the hands of the prosecution—the earliest cheque I have here is January 2nd, 1872, it was paid on that date—the next is February 20th, 1873—I have none between, those must have been omitted to be returned—the cheque of the 21st of January for 2,000l. was paid in ten notes of 100l. each, and two of 500l.—these are the notes; that was an open cheque—I paid it myself over the counter—on that same day a cheque of Horton's was paid for 807l. 15s. in favour of Jay Cooke, McCulloch & Co., through Williams, Deacon & Co.—this is the credit slip of 22nd January—the date and initials appear to be in the writing of Horton; as far as I am a judge of handwriting, I should say distinctly that it was his; the name "C. J. Horton," and the initials especially—it is "January 22nd, 1872, C. J. Horton, cheques 3,716l. 13s. 7d., C. J. H."—that consisted of two cheques, one for 2, 300l. and one for 1, 416l. 13s. 7d. both drawn on the Western Branch of the Bank of England—in this case I have an entry that they were cheques of F. A. Warren's—on that same day a cheque of Horton's for 400l. was cashed over the counter with two 50l. and three 100l. notes; these are the notes—on 24th January, a cheque of Horton's for 2, 200l. was paid, and also one for 45l.—I paid the larger cheque by a cheque on the Union Bank of London, and the 45l. cheque in three bank notes of 5l. and two of 20l., these are the notes—on 25th January, 3, 400l. was paid in, this is the credit slip; the words "C. J. Horton," are in my writing, the date, amount, and initials "C. J. H," are in the handwriting of Horton, that consisted of one cheque on the Western Branch of the Bank of England, signed "F. A. Warren"—I knew the prisoner Hills by the name of Edwin Noyes—I first saw him at the bank, he was introduced to me there by Horton, I should say about 18th January—he introduced him as his clerk—he said he was to be treated as his confidential clerk; that is to say, we were to treat him exactly as we should himself, in his absence—I asked if Noyes was to be allowed to sign cheques—he gave a direct negative to that, "by no means," or words to that effect—I understood him to say that he was going down into the country, I think to Birmingham—he did not say what for—I do not remember his saying at any time what his business was—I don't think I saw him after he introduced Noyes—I would not like to say that I did not see him the next day or very soon after, but I don't think I did; I may have done so, but I don't think I did—afterwards we did business with Noyes, only in the way of cashing cheques and paying in money as a clerk—I received this letter, signed E. Noyes, dated 25th January, I can't say that I received it on that date—I believe it to be written and signed by Noyes—(Read: "January 25th, 1873, Messrs. Hartland & Co., Continental Bank. Gentlemen—Please hand to bearer the German money bought by me for Mr. C. J. Horton, this day.") I believe Noyes did on that day buy some German money, it had to be obtained—this is the receipt for it, it was 2,000 thalers: "25th January, 1873. Received, 2,000 thalers and 7l. 9s. 10d. cash. E. Noyes. "It was brought by a messenger—my impression is that we sent the money by a clerk with the messenger—I think it was to the Terminus Hotel, London Bridge; the number o£ the room was 6—I cannot say how the thalers were paid for—this order was written by Noyes: (Read: "25th January, 1873. Procure for C. J. Horton, up to 20,000 guilders, by Tuesday next. E. J. Noyes.") On 25th January, a cheque of Horton's for 1,000l. was paid in bank notes; there were five 100l. notes—these are them (produced)—I have also a memorandum made from our books,

of the foreign money paid for the balance; I cannot say who made it—the foreign money was 395 German florins, which are worth 1, 150 thalers; and 2,000 thalers—that amounts to 502l. 10s. 2d.—the 2,000 thalers were sent afterwards—on 27th January, a cheque of Horton's was paid for 351l. 15s., in favour of Jay Cooke & Co.; it came in through their bankers', Williams, Deacon & Co.—on 28th January, a cheque of Horton's was presented and paid over the counter with seventeen 100l. notes, five 50l. notes, and 1,049l. 17s. 9d. in Dutch florins—these are the other notes, the rest would probably be given in cash—on 3rd February, 1,000l. was paid in to Horton's account—I produce the credit slip for that: (Read: "3rd February, 1873. Credit C. J. Horton, cheque 1,000l. E. Noyes.") That is in Hill's writing—the 1,000l. was a cheque on the Bank of England, Western Branch—there is nothing to show whose cheque it was—on the 4th February, 3, 891l. 14s. was paid in to Horton's account by this credit slip (Signed "E. Noyes") That is in Noyes's writing—the sum consisted of a single cheque on the Bank of England, Western Branch, signed, "F. A. Warren"—that was paid in six 100l. notes, one 50l., one 10l., and one 5l., and 654l. 1s. 9d. in Dutch florins—these are the notes, but one note, No. 83, 316 is missing, there are only five 100l. notes here—on 7th February, a cheque of Horton's for 3, 500l. was paid over the counter in six 500l. notes (produced), and five 100l. notes—they are all here—on 11th February, a cheque of Horton's for 200l. was paid over the counter in eleven notes; five of 10l., five of 20l., and one of 50l.—on 13th ebruary, 6, 250l. was paid in to the credit of Horton's account by two cheques, one of 4, 250l., and one of 2,000l., on the Western Branch of the Bank of England, signed "F. A. Warren"—the credit slip is dated 12th February, and signed "E. Noyes;"but they were paid in on the 13th—on the same day I received this letter: "Room No. 6, Terminus Hotel, London Bridge. Gentlemen,—Please enclose amount in an envelope. E. Noyes for C. J. H."—I think a cheque for 65l. was enclosed, and I believe I declined to send the money—I afterwards saw Noyes at the bank, and said that in sending money by a strange messenger it would be necessary in future to give fuller directions, and that his letter was rather vague; he said that he should desire me to obey the instructions in his letters, and trust the persons he sent, that the person he sent could be trusted, and it would be all right—my opinion is that another letter was sent, upon which we acted, and sent the 65l.—this letter is also in Noyes's writing—(Read: "February 14th. Gentlemen,—Please place the amount of enclosed cheque in an envelope, and direct it to 'C. J. Horton, Room 6, Terminus Hotel, London Bridge, 'and deliver it to bearer. Yours truly, E. Noyes.")—There is nothing in, that letter to show what cheque it contained, but we evidently paid a cheque for 50l. that day with this 50l. note (produced)—on 15th February a cheque for 332l. 10s. was paid to the credit of Horton's account—I have before me the credit-slip for that, which is, I believe, in Hill's writing, and signed "E. Noyes"—I have no doubt that it was a cheque of Jay Cooke & Co. on their bankers, Williams, Deacon & Co., because it passed through our bankers', the Union Bank, but there is no mark on it—it agrees in amount and date—on the same day I paid a cheque of Horton's for 4,000l. in these fourteen notes; there are two of 1,000l. each, two of 500l., and ten of 100l. (produced)—on 17th February 1, 200l. was paid in to Horton's credit, with this credit slip, "Credit, C. J. Horton; Cheque, 1, 200l. E. J. Noyes."—that was a cheque on the Bank of England, signed "E. J. Noyes"—on the

same day I cashed a cheque of Horton's for 2,000l., and gave these eleven notes (produced) in payment; one for 1,000l., two for 500l., one for 200l., five for 100l., and two for 50l.—they were paid in the ordinary way iu an open cheque over the counter—I afterwards received this letter, which is in Hill's writing—(Read: "19th February. Gentlemen,—Please place the amount of the enclosed cheque in an envelope and deliver it to bearer, addressed 'C. J. Hortou, Terminus Hotel, London Bridge, 'and oblige E. Noyes.") On February 20th I paid a cheque of Horton's for 1,000l. with one note—this (produced) is Horton's cheque, enclosed in the letter; it is dated the 19th, and is to "self or order"—the 1,000l. note was paid for that cheque—I do not know whether I sent it by the messenger or not; it was probably sent as desired—that cheque is drawn on one of the cheques out of the book issued to Horton—on 21st February 4, 500l. was paid in to Horton's credit by this credit-slip: "21st February; Credit, C. J. Horton. Cheque 4, 500l. E. Noyes."—That is in Noyes's writing, in my opinion, but I did not see it written—when Horton went away all the transactions were with Noyes as his clerk—this is the cheque for 4, 500l.—it appears to be made payable to "C. J. Heorton," but it is endorsed "C. J. Horton"—it was presented at the Bank of England, and they wrote on it "Endorsement irregular," and returned it to us—we then sent on this debit-slip for Noyes to sign: "Continental Bank, 21st February, 1873. Debit account of C. J. Horton, Esq., 4, 500l. Cheque returned; endorsement irregular"—That is signed "E. Noyes"—we received back that cheque on the 24th endorsed "C. J. Heorton," under the other—on the 25th 4, 500l. was paid on this cheque of Horton's, payable to self or order—it is endorsed, and was paid with four 1,000l. notes, one 100l. note, No. 97, 582; this 5l. note, No. 29, 480, and the remainder in a bill on Meyer Fils, of Paris, for 10,000 francs; that would be 394l. 13s. 5d.—on 26th February 2, 277l. 10s. was paid in to the credit of the same account—this is the credit-slip; it is signed "E. Noyes," in Hill's writing—the amount was made up of two cheques, one of which was Warren's for 2, 100l., but I cannot say the date of it—this cheque for 2, 500l. (produced), payable to C. J. Mitchell or order, is dated 21st February, but I cannot say if that is the cheque because we have no mark on it—that cheque was paid in to Horton's account, but I cannot say that it was paid in on that day—those two cheques make up the amount—the other cheque was, for 177l. 10s., signed by Jay Cooke, McCulloch & Co. on Williams, Deacon & Co.—those two cheques have passed through the account, and they make up the exact amount of the credit-slip—on 27th February I received this letter: "Gentlemen,—Please place the amount of the enclosed cheque in an envelope, and deliver it to the bearer, directed to 'C. J. Horton, Room No. 8, Cannon Street Hotel. 'Yours truly, E. Noyes."—that is in Hill's writing—a cheque of Horton's for 100l. is produced, bearing the same date and for the same amount, to self or order—we sent back a 100l. note, 00, 757, January 7, 1873—on 28th January a cheque of Warren's on the Bank of England for 6,000l. was paid in to tho same account—it is payable to Thomas Carter or order, and endorsed "Thos. Carter" and "C. J. Horton"—tho credit slip is in Hill's writing, and signed "E. Noyes"—when that cheque was paid, he ordered a very large quantity of foreign money to be ready for him on the following day in French notes, but he wanted a certain amount in thalers as well—I think it was a larger amount than 2,000l. in English money—on the same occasion he cashed this cheque of Horton's (produced) for 2,000l., dated the 28th, to

self or order—it was paid with these two 1,000l. notes (produced)—the 28th was Friday, and I think the foreign money was to be ready on the Monday—he came again next day, March 1st, and produced this credit slip, which is in Hill's writing: "1st March. Credit C. J. Horton. Cheque 2, 500l., money for special collection; E. Noyes"—He paid in this cheque of Warren's for 2, 500l. on the Bank of England, payable to C. J. Horton, and endorsed "C. J. Horton"—he said that he should want the amount of the 6,000l. and that cheque as well on Saturday, 1st March—we had by that time got a portion of the foreign money which he had ordered—I said that it would require time to collect the cheque for. 2, 500l., and he was to call again about 1 o'clock—special collection means send it directly, instead of it going through the Bank of England—he returned, I think, between 12 and 1, and presented this cheque for 5,000l., to self or order, dated 1st March—I then told him that we were collecting the 2, 500l. cheque, and while he was waiting May, from the Bank of England, who had been there previously, came in again when Noyes was sitting there—I pointed Noyes out to May, who fetched a policeman, Pope, who took him in charge—I had not paid the 5,000l. cheque which he had just presented—during the time the account was open I did not ask Horton or his clerk what business he was—the only addresses were "Charing Cross Hotel," "6, Terminus Hotel," and "8, Cannon Street Hotel;" it was Charing Cross Hotel when the account was opened—this cheque for 350l. is one of those retained by accident when the pass-book was sent, and there are others in the hands of the prosecution—I have here a lithograph copy of the banking account from the commencement, and we have the letters and books here.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I am the person who handed the 100l. note, 25, 702, and the 5l. note, 29, 480, across the counter—Mr. Horton came with no introduction to us, but he mentioned Bowles Brothers, and their failure—I do not know that it was so much of a failure as being in a dislocated condition—we made inquiries, but I did not do so personally—the address given to us was Charing Cross Hotel, he wrote it down, and I have got it here—this is the book I made Horton sign, to get a specimen of his signature—I did not make inquiries at the Charing Cross Hotel—at the time he signed this book he paid in some money, and signed a credit-slip, that was on December 2nd—I believe this credit-slip of 30th December to be his writing—I don't think I saw him write it—I saw Noyes first about 18th January, but I cannot fix the date—I do not think I saw the credit-slip of 18th January written—I know nothing about these cheques for 500l. and 480l.; the entries are by Mr. Hartland—there is also one on 18th January for 3, 304l. 10s. 9d., that was, I believe, the last time I saw Horton—he did not hand me the credit-slip, that was on the day he introduced Noyes, but it was not received by me—the next credit-slip I received after the 18th was on the 21st or 22nd—I believe I received the credit-slip of the 22nd; I cannot say from whom, but I presume it was from Horton, though I cannot say that I saw him after the 18th—I did not, I believe, see any part of it written—the "Credit C. J. Horton" is written, and it is signed "C. J. H."—there is certainly a slight difference in the name between that and the signature-book—I do not think I should refuse it as a signa-ture—we always find some slight difference in signatures, but it appears to me practically to be the same—I should say that these initials correspond exactly—they correspond with the capital letters—the amount is 335l.—this (produced) is, I think, much more like the signature in the book than

the slip is, but yet it in dissimilar in some respects—I cannot tell you in whose writing the figures or date are in this credit-slip of 22nd January—the word "Jan. "is sufficiently like to be the same, but the figures do not appear to be so cramped—the figures and the date, I think, appear to be written with the same ink—from that time all the credit-slips were drawn up by Noyes, but I am not sure that there are not some signed by Horton—the letter of 13th February is signed "E. Noyes for C. J. H."—I think the body of this slip of 30th January is Horton's, but the total is Mr. Hartland's—it is not at all like the signature-book, but still it may be Horton's, it is written so carelessly—I saw Horton write in the signature-book, and I think I saw him write some credit-slips, but I cannot tell you in all how many times I saw him write—the credit-slip of 11th January was filled up in the office, and it is probable I saw it done, it is like the signa-ture-book—the entries in our books where I find Warren's name are chiefly, and I believe all, by myself—I do not think the cheque of 20th February for 4, 500l., with the mistake in the endorsement, went through the clearing-house, I think it was presented by ourselves—it is credited and debited on the same day, and we got it back from the bank at once.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Horton opened the account with us on 2nd December—I am not quite sure on what day he introduced Noyes to me; it was somewhere about the 17th or 18th—between 2nd December and 17th or 18th January all the money that was paid in to the credit of Horton was paid in by himself—I principally received it; on seven-eighths of the occasions, on nearly all the occasions—I don't think there was anyone with him—I am not sure that he never sent a messenger; I should not like to say that; he may have done so; but on the major portion of the occasions he came himself—I have an idea that there was a credit-slip of Noyes on 20th January, but I am not sure—the first signature of Noyes here is that of 25th January, about the German money—on that same day here is a credit-slip signed with Horton's initials—it may be that the first documeut I received bearing Noyes's signature was on 25th January—it appears that he made payments in with the initials "C. J. H."—I treated him on every occasion as Horton's clerk—I had no particular reason for asking Horton whether Noyes was to sign cheques—I have known cases where confidential clerks have to sign cheques; it is not at all out of the ordinary course of business; but when I asked him he said "By no means," or words to that effect—between 25th January and 1st March Noyes was there nearly every day, either to pay in money on Horton's account or to draw it out—I am not sure that on one occasion he did not bring a porter with him; on one or two occasions he might have been there with a porter from the hotel where he was staying—he has sent individuals to the bank with communi-cations from himself—I received a letter from him by a messenger on three or four occasions—they appeared to me to be very ordinary persons, and persons that ought not to have such communications entrusted to them—they appeared to be messengers from the hotel—I never asked Horton what his business was; he appeared to us to be an American gentleman—I don't know that he represented himself as being anything, but that he had simply closed his account with one bank and desired to open it with another—nothing whatever was said about agency business—we did not open the account with him contemplating such a large amount of business; it was on the understanding that it was to be a deposit account, and then, observing his intimate connection with the Bank of England, we asked no

further questions—we did not make any inquiry, because the evident con-nection of the account with respectable persons put it on one side—we were under the impression that he was carrying on business on a large and extensive scale; we had no idea what sort of business; we did not know, we could only surmise—I had no idea about agency business, or any other kind of business whatever; I only saw that transactions were being conducted on a large scale through the medium of respectable persons—until Mr. May made his appearance we never suspected anything wrong; we reconciled all with the idea that very large money transactions were being conducted with a large customer of the Bank of England, and we did not concern ourselves with what it might or might not be—I can't say that such an address as the Terminus Hotel is usual, but it did not impress us—I did not look upon it as eccentric—we had no suspicion whatever—when Noyes sent the letters by a messenger, we had some opinion as to the irregularity with which business was being conducted; at the same time, we had nothing to do with that—we had no notion, either from the large sums or the address given, that there was anything wrong about the transaction—I think I never saw Horton after Noyes was introduced until he was in custody.

Re-examined. I did not know that he was a customer of the Bank of England; I merely observed a connection with a large customer of the Bank; I refer to the cheques of Warren that were constantly paid in to his account—we did not ascertain by inquiry that Warren's cheques were good, but by the fact that large cheques were being continually paid; we only took care of ourselves—the cheques were always honoured, and that satisfied us—in the majority of instances the cheques paid over the counter were paid to Noyes.

EDWARD BRENT . I am a clerk in the issue office of the Bank of England, in the City—I know, Noyes; he came to me from time to time, for the purpose of changing notes into gold—I have gone through the occasions upon which Noyes carne, the Nos. of the notes received, and the amount given out to him—I have gone through a regular tabulated form (handing it in) this is correct—I asked him on every occasion whether the gold was for home use or for exportation—in most cases his reply was for home use, in other cases for Paris—the sovereigns given out are full weighted sovereigns—I asked for his name and address to be written on one of the notes when presented for payment, the first note of the pile on each occasion down to 28th—he gave 28, George Street, Manchester Square, Durant's Hotel—he did not bring his own bags, our porters always find the bags to transfer the gold into; our porters sell them—when he took the bags away they became his property.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. It is not unusual to give gold in large quantities in exchange for notes, either for home use or for exportation—I simply asked if the name and address written on the back of the note was his name and address, no further question.

FREDERICK PEARSON . I am a clerk in the issue department of the Bank of England—I have here a list of notes that I paid upon tickets which Mr. Hughes brought to me as being brought by somebody—I do not identify Macdonnell—this is a correct list of the notes I gave for the gold.

HENRY WILLIAM HUGHES . I am a clerk in the weighing room, Bank of England—I know Macdonnell—I first saw him on 28th January, when I went into the office and saw him talking to Mr. John Miller, of the weighing department—he had brought 6, 300l. in gold which he wanted exchanged into notes—I weighed the gold; I found there were twenty sovereigns too

many—I told him so; he said "Oh, I wondered where it was"—he seemed to know there was a difference—I don't remember how many of the sovereigns were light; there is no record in the book; it might have been two or three—I weighed them in an inner office afterwards, but I don't remember the number of light—we do not receive light; we cut them—they formed a very small proportion of what he brought—if they had been a large proportion there would have been a record of it; there could not have been above two or three—I asked the prisoner his name; he told me it was George Macdonnell—I was about to spell it in the ordinary way, "McDonald;" he told me it was Macdonnell—he told me he had great difficulty in getting persons to spell his name correctly—nothing was said in my presence about where the money came from; I did not hear that conversation, if there was such conversation—he came again on 13th February with 650 sovereigns—I took him to the proper department, with a ticket, to get notes for the gold—on 19th February he brought 9,000 sovereigns—out of that quantity fifteen were light, and those very slightly light—that accounts for the ticket being for 8, 985—on the 25th he came again, and brought 1,000—I gave him a ticket for those—I think there were two light, which he might have changed—on the 19th he was quickly attended to, because all the machines were disengaged; on the 25th he was kept waiting about half or three-quarters of an hour, and he was very fidgetty; he rang the bell once or twice, and wanted to know why he was detained.

Cross-examined by MR. METCALFE. He gave the name of George Mac-donnell, and when I was about to write it "McDonald" he corrected me in the spelling.

JOSEPH REECE ADAMS . I am principal in the issue department of the Bank of England—I saw Macdonnell" on 28th January—Mr. Miller called my attention to him—I asked him where he got the gold; he said either that he brought it from Lisbon or that it came from Lisbon; I think he said that he brought it from Lisbon—there were very few light sovereigns, and the conviction on my mind was that they were our own sovereigns that had been issued from us—I asked if he got them from Knowles & Foster, of Lisbon, as we ship largely for that house; he said not—this (produced) is a correct calculation of the weight of the sovereigns—it would be 21 lbs. troy for 1,000; so that it would be about three-quarters of a ton altogether.

Cross-examined by MR. METCALFE. We do not issue light sovereigns—there were so few light in the 6, 500 that we believed they were originally issued from us.

Re-examined. With so large a quantity of gold it is not usual to find so few sovereigns.

EBWARD BRENT (re-examined). I changed ten 100l. notes for gold on 21 st January—those notes are not in the tabular form that I have given—I have not got the numbers of them; we never enter the numbers and dates, we simply put down the amount and the name of the party presenting the note—a gentleman in another department, to whom the notes are handed, would take the numbers—I don't know who it was that took these.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I saw the person who brought the notes—it was from what that person said to me that I entered the name of Horton.

WALTER COGGLESHALL . I came over in the steamer Moselle when Austin Bidwell and his wife were on board—I arrived here on the morning of 27th

May, from Aspinwall—they changed at St. Thomas from the Havannah steamer into the Moselle—during the voyage I got this document (produced) from Mrs. Austin Bid well. (This was the sold note of Cork, Loughton, & Co.)

Grass-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I came from Bolivia at that time, where I had been for some bankers in London—I am not a banker's clerk; I had been sent to Bolivia by them upon some business as agent, and was on my return home—I am an American—I formed the acquaintance of Austin Bidwell and his wife when they were on board the vessel—she appeared to be a young woman, about eighteen I should judge—I told Mr. Bidwell that I would assist his wife if I could—the paper was given to me I won't say by Mr. or Mrs. Bidwell, probably it came from one of them—I received it; it was given to me by one of the two, I don't remember which—I told Mr. Freshfield I could not say which—I don't know that I have said this morning that I got it from Mrs. Bidwell; I say I got it either from Mr. or Mrs. Bidwell—he said that it contained the numbers of two bonds that she had, and when she arrived in England she would let me know her address—he was present; I never had any conversation with her otherwise—I got the document from her when she was on board the vessel—I did not get her address; I have never got it—I have never seen her in England, only at Plymouth, on board the steamer—Austin Bidwell was in custody on board the steamer—I did not give this document to Mr. Freshfield—I expected to go back to South America in two or three days, and not having received any word from her, I gave it to Mr. John Kerton, an American detective, to give to Mr. Bidwell—I don't remember what date that was—probably Mr. Freshfield can tell you the day he received it—I intend to go to South America still—Mr. Freshfield did not stop me, he told me he did not think he should want my evidence at all—I understand the American detective is not here; I am told he has gone home.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. I came from Rhode Island—I have had experience in commercial matters in America—it depends entirely upon the clerk whether he is treated by the master on more familiar terms there than in some other countries; it depends entirely upon his ability, if they are men of ability and intelligence I should say they were treated more familiarly and more nearly approaching equal terms than in this country.

JAMES HARRISON (re-examined). This seal (produced) has on it the same letters "G. B. "that were on the letters I spoke to before—I did not take an impression of the seal—I saw that seal for upwards of a week while the letter was in my desk—I then forwarded it.

HENRY HALL . I am superintendent of the rate department under the Corporation of Birmingham—I have been engaged in that office about twenty years—I am a native of Birmingham and familiar with it and its suburbs—I have to prepare assessments of the different properties and factories situated in Birmingham, in that way I should be likely to become acquainted with the owners and occupiers of property there, particularly with new property and new firms—I do not know anything of a person of the name of Warren engaged in the manufactory of Pulman's sleeping cars—I have not heard of any such person or any such fictory.

Cross-examined by MR. MCLMTKE. I make out an assessment once a year—the last rate was made in April this year, the current rate; the rate of the previous year was made out in April—the names that would appear in my rate-book would be those I found in occupation in April last year, with the amendments: they are amended, perhaps, once a month, just when

we find a new name it is inserted in the rate-book—the rate-book made out in April would contain the monthly amendments—the amendments are made weekly or monthly, whenever we find them—the rate-book made out in April would show who was in occupation up to that time—I have not got the rate-book here.

HELEN ETHEL VERNON . In the course of last year I lived at 11, Duke's Road, Euston Square—about the commencement of August in that year I became acquainted with George Bidwell—I knew him by that name—I travelled with him in France in September; we went to Trouville—I became unwell and returned to London, leaving him abroad—I afterwards by arrangement met him in Holland—during our first acquaintance, and while I was absent from him in England, I received these letters from him (produced)—during my acquaintance with him, and up to the time when I met him in Holland, I had seen Austin Bidwell and Macdonnell—I had known them by those names—George told me that Austin was his brother—Macdonnell seemed to be on intimate terms with them both; they addressed each other by their Christian names, Austin, and George, and Mac.—I stayed with George Bidwell one day at the Victoria Hotel, Rotterdam; we went from there to Haarlem; that would be a half or threequarters of an hour from Rotterdam—while at Haarlem I saw Mr. Austin once, and Macdonnell twice, I believe; on one occasion while I was there I went to meet George Bidwell at the station, he had been to Amsterdam all day, and I met him on his return—the next day after that, the 14th, we all breakfasted together at Rotterdam, Austin Bidwell, George Bidwell, Macdonnell, and me—it was said that Macdonnell and Austin Bidwell were going to England, via Calais, and George Bidwell and I were going by way of Harwich—we did not go that day, we waited till the next, the 15th, and then crossed—we got to London I think on the 16th, and went to the Alexandra Hotel, where we found Macdonnell—I don't think I saw Austin Bidwell there—after staying a day or two at the Alexandra Hotel I went to Ford's Hotel, Manchester Square, and remained there with George Bidwell till the beginning of January—I first saw Hills on Christmas Day, at Ford's Hotel—George Bidwell had said that Mr. Macdonnell, Austin, and a friend of theirs was coming to dine with us on Christmas Day—they did come—Hills was introduced to me as Mr. Howe, from Liverpool—George Bidwell told me that we were to give them each a present, and I got four silk neck wrappers, and had their monograms put on them, "G. M." for George Macdonnell, "G. B." for George Bidwell, "A. B." for Austin Bidwell, and "E. N." for Hills—this (produced) is the one I got for Hills—George Bidwell told me what initials to put—George Bidwell's was a white scarf—we had the dinner-party and spent the evening together—the others treated Howe friendly enough, they addressed him as Ed., and he addressed them by their Christian names; he addressed Macdonnell as Mac.—I believe Howe dined with us once again that week; he went down to the Crystal Palace with George Bidwell and me on the following Saturday—after 1st January we removed to 87, Upper Gloucester Place, and remained there till about the end of February—while there I saw Hills once or twice, Macdonnell, and Austin Bidwell—after living there for some time, we went to the Albemarle Hotel—while at Upper Gloucester Place I remember seeing a black leather bag, I kicked it accidentally, that caused me to open it, and it was full of money—about the end of January I bought a travelling bag at Parkius & Gotto's, as a present for George Bidwell—he took it away

with him and came back without it—I was rather angry at his giving it away—he said he had been to Calais with Mr. Macdonnell—he used to get up early in the morning at Gloucester Place—sometimes he breakfasted with me; generally—when he did not he told me that he breakfasted with Macdonnell—he went out to breakfast on those occasions—I remember Macdonnell showing me a 500l. bank note while we were at Gloucester Place; he told me once that he was going to Paris—George Bidwell spoke once of going to Rugby for a few hours; he mentioned that to me once or twice; he was back to dinner the same day—he left about 12.30, and got back about 8 o'clock in the evening—Mr. Macdonnell took the rooms for me at the Albemarle Hotel—it was said at the Albemarle Hotel that we had come from Paris—I said to George Bidwell that there was no need of a falsehood about it—he said as Macdonnell had taken the rooms we had better keep to the statement he had made—one day George Bidwell asked me to lend him 16l. to lend to Mr. Howe; that was just after Christmas—I gave him a box with some gold in it, and told him to take what he wanted—I believe he took 16l. from it, and I believe he lent it to Mr. Howe; I don't know exactly—we remained at the Albemarle Hotel till Monday, 3rd March—on the Sunday, the 2nd, George Bidwell told me to pack up my things, and told me that we were going to Paris—on the Monday we went to Hastings—he said he thought he should like to go to Hastings again before he left England—we went to the Victoria Hotel, St. Leonard's—Macdonnell came down and dined with us that evening—we took all the luggage we had from London—I did not tell them at the Albemarle Hotel where we were going to—George Bidwell spent that evening at St. Leonard's with Macdonnell—Macdonnell had a bedroom ordered for him in the hotel—he left us the next morning, Tuesday, 4th March—I believe he went to London; George told me that Macdonnell was going to London—I believe he took a trunk of Mr. George Bid well's with him; George told me he had taken one—that was a trunk that I had packed; it was a large black leather one, this is it (produced)—that trunk was with us at Trouville—I saw it opened after it had been brought from America, and I saw some of the shells that I had picked up at Trouville—we were in the habit of going to the Casino when we were at Trouville—there was a ticket taken for the Casino, that is it (produced)—Macdonnell left St. Leonard's about 12.30, and I and George Bidwell went to Battle the same day after Macdonnell left—we went back to St. Leonard's again in the evening—the next morning, Wednesday, we went to Ashford together, and from Ash ford we took the train to Doverwhile we were at Dover we stopped at the bank; I remained in the fly outside—I don't know the name of the bank—he went in and stayed some time: I remained outside in the carriage—after that we took the train to Canterbury, and while we were on the journey he gave me this luggage ticket—when we got to Canterbury I left Bidwell and went back to Hastings—I believe he went on to London—I remained the night at St. Leonard's at the Victoria, in my old room; the next day, Thursday, the 5th, I came up to London—I had sent a telegram to George Bidwell, and he met me on the platform at Charing Cross—when he met me his moustache was cut—we got into a cab and drove a short distance towards Fentou's Hotel—George Bidwell got out of the cab and left me, and told me to go on to the hotel and take apartments—I took his dressing bag, and went to 11, Duke's Road, my own lodging, Mons. Meunier's—I received

a message from George Bid well while I was there by a cabman; in consequence of that I met George Bid well at the Marble Arch at 6—I took a cab, and Jules Meiuner and I went together part of the way—I took the bag containing money with me, besides the dressing bag—we did not go in the same cab to the Marble Arch, we changed cabs, because George Bidwell had told me to do so in his note—I have not got the note, it was destroyed—I ultimately met George Bidwell at the Marble Arch—I noticed that he was clean shaved then; it made a very great change in his appearance—I asked him what was the matter—he said "Nothing, some friend of his had been doing something and he did not wish his own name to be mentioned"—we then took another cab and drove to Euston Square—we did not go straight there, we drove first up the Bayswater Road and then to Euaton Square—I got out of the cab and left Bidwell in, to go to Drummond's Hotel—he asked me to go to the Victoria and Euston Hotels, to see if there were any telegrams for him—he sent me to ask for them, and I was to take them to him at Drummond's Hotel, that is close to Euston Square—I got one telegram, but it was one I had sent him myself from St Leonard's—I found him at Drummond's Hotel, and he toid me he was going straight away to America—he told me to go back to Fenton's and bring all the luggage up—I gave him the bag with the money, and went down to Fenton's, and took the luggage to the Euston Station—I left the luggage there and went to Drummond's Hotel, and there I found Meunier, my landlord, with the bag whioh I had been originally carrying, and which I had given to George Bidwell—George Bidwell was not there—we were about to follow in the train—when I got to the station to go off, I was arrested by the police—during my acquaintance with George Bidwell, he made no statement to me as to who or what he was—he told me he had an income of 2,000l. a year—on two occasions I went to 17, St. James's Place, to see Macdonnell—George Bidwell went with me—I saw Ellen Franklin examined at the Mansion House—I did not know her before at all—I remember on one occasion going to Baker & Crisp's shop in Regent Street, to buy a silk dressGeorge Bidwell was away at Calais that day—he told me afterwards that I had been seen in Baker & Crisp's that day—I asked him who had seen me, and he said a friend of his who had seen me with him occasionally—I asked George Bidwell to have his photograph taken—he consented, but it was a very wet day and he could not have it taken—it was not taken.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I first saw Austin Bidwell last August—the last time I saw him was about a week or a fortnight before Christmas—I was living at 87, Upper Gloucester Place then—I have been living with some friends since—I gave information to the prosecution—I have not received any money from the prosecution, and I have not been promised any.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. I can't give you the day of the month when I first made the acquaintance of George Bidwell—during the whole time I knew him he always wore a waxed moustache, Napoleon style—he had no beard as he has now, nor any imperial or whiskers, nothing but a moustache—his hair was the same as it is now, I believe—I packed the large trunk some time before we went to Hastings, at Upper Gloucester Place—I did not see it at Hastings at all—the last time I saw it was when it was put into the train at Charing Cross—it was quite full when I finished packing it—I did not look it, and I don't remember being present when it

was locked—I could tell nearly every article that was in the trunk—there were no large packets of papers in it.

Cross-examined by MR. METCALFE. All that I know further about the trunk is what George Bidwell has told me—I don't remember the date that I went to St James's Place—I think it was in January, but I could not swear to it—I went in and stayed a short time—I saw Macdonnell there—it was one Sunday—on both occasions it was Sunday.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. The first day that I saw Noyes was on Christimas Day—he dined with us—there were five of us to dinner—Noyes and the three other prisoners, and two young ladies came after—I believe Macdonnell introduced Noyes to me, but I am not sure—he introduced him as Mr. Howe—I am quite sure of that—I scarcely remember who introduced him to me when I went into the room—I have seen Noyes about half-a-dozen times in all—I dined with him once or twice afterwards—I cant say how many times I have seen him—I saw him once at our apartments, Upper Gloucester Place and Ford's Hotel—I never saw him at St. James's Place—I was about an hour at St. James Place on each occasion—I went with George Bidwell, and saw Macdonnell there—all the time that we have dined together they seemed to treat Noyes as a visitor, as a guest—and he called once or twice to see us, as a visitor—it was said that he had lately come f-om Liverpool—that was on Christmas Day—I had no particular conversation with him myself, it was general conversation—nothing was said to Noyes that I know of about my travels with Bidwell.

Re-examined. The trunk that was at the Charing Cross Station was part of the luggage for Hastings—I think it was left at the Hastiugs station: I did not see it at the hotel.

ELLEN FRANKLIN . I made the acquaintance of the prisoner Edwin Noyes Hills on 1st Februrary last—he afterwards took rooms at No. 7, Charlotte Street, Fitzroy Square, the drawing room floor, at 2 guineas per week—he told me his name was Edwin Hall, and he was a native of Newark, in the United States of America—he told me he was inventing a machine for milking cows—I lodged with him there until the 1st of March—our weekly expenses were about 5l. 10s. to 5l. 13s. including the 2 guineas rent—he made me several presents—one was a sealskin jacket—on 13th February Macdonnell called and left his name, and on the 14th he came and dined with us—Hills addresed him as "Colonel" and Macdonnell addressed him as "Ed."—I think Macdonnell called five or sixtimes, during the month—they appeared on very intimate terms with each other—Hills did not call him any other name, and Colonel Macdonnell—I heard the name of Bradley used—Noyes told me when he spoke of his friend I should always know that he meant Mr. Bradley—I did not know who George was at that time—I never knew Macdonnell as George, only as Mr. Bradley—I remember one morning Hills telling me he was going to Birmingham, but what day I don't know—he always dined at home with me from 5.30 to 6.30, and sometimes at 8.30—8 o'clock—he said when he went to Birmingham that he would telegraph if he did not return in time for dinner—I did receive a telegram that day—I can't say that that is the one—I can't tell which one I received at the time he went to Birmingham—I did not have one from Birmingham—I had one from Rugby—I received these three telegrams at different times—I received a telegram on the day he went away—when he said he would telegraph he always telegraphed—he came home to dinner on the evening of the day he said—he said he was going to Birmingham

about 8 or 9 o'clock, or prehaps earlier—I told him then that the telegram he had sent came from Rugby—I said "You have telegraphed from Rugby," and he said "I know I did." (The telegrams were read:"Office of Origin, N. W. District. From Ed. to Mrs. Franklin, 7, Charlotte Street, Rathbone Place, Oxford Street. Have dinner at 7 o'clock, shall not be home till then."—"February 12th, N. W. District From same to same. Will be home about 8 to-night."—"February 15th, Blisworth Railway Office of Origin. From same to same. Can't come home until between 7 and 8.")—I subsequently received a telegram which I have not here, which has been lost—I showed that telegram to Hills on his return in the evening—I don't know what has become of it—I gave it to the solicitors—I said to Hills, "You telegraphed from Rugby," he said, "I know I did"—he showed me on the map in Bradshaw, where Rugby was, and Birmingham too, and the distance between them—I remember Hills being out on 24th Februarythere were two trunks in his room; one was kept locked, and the other unlocked—I opened the largest one, the one that was usually kept locked—I suppose he had put something in there that I was not to see—I had the key—I found in it some American bonds, in an envelope—I had not seen that envelope before—I had seen Hills looking at the bonds on the Sunday before, and he told me to go out of the room—he did not show them to me—when I found them I took them down to Mr. and Mrs. White, the landlord and landlady, and showed them to them—I took them out of the envelope—there were several; I don't know how many, I did not count them; it was a roll—I put them back into the box, locked it, and put the key back—Hills came in afterwards, and George Bidwell a little time afterwards; they remained a short time, and then went out together, taking the bonds with them—Hills returned in the evening, and I saw him seal up the bonds—he brought in these two seals, and this paper to roll them up in—he sealed them with these two little seals, and fastened the paper with crystal cement, which I got from Mrs. White at his request—I did not see the address put on—towards the end of the month I thought Hills was very uneasy in his manner—on 1st March he went out between 8 and 9 o'clock in the morning—he said he would return early; that meant about 2 o'clock—he never returned—Macdonnell called from 5.30 to 5. 45 in the evening, and said he had come to take Mr. Franklin's luggage away (we were passing as Mr. and Mrs. Franklin); he first said he had very bad news for me, that Mr. Franklin would not be home for a week or two, but he would let me know when he was coming home—he left me a 20l. note—he wanted to take away the box that was already packed; that was the largest one; the one that was usually looked—I allowed him to take it—this is it (produced)—he went away, in a cab—he said he would come on the following Sunday or Monday—he did not; I have never seen him since—I remember being with Hills on one occasion at the shop of Messrs. Baker & Crisp, in Regent Street; he pointed to a lady there, and told me it was Mrs. Bradley, and that she was staying with his friend George—it was Miss Vernon; she did not see me—Hills said he did not want her to see him because she though the was out of town.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. I was going by the name of Mrs. Franklin before I saw Hills—I asked him to go by my name; it was my suggestion—he told me that his name was Edwin Hall—he used to go out generally from 7.30 to 9 o'clock in the morning, and sometimes later—he told me that he had business in the City, but I don't know what—he

generally came home to dinner—that was the ordinary course of his life—he sometimes told me that he went into the country; I can't say how often he told me that; two or three times—he always returned at night: he never was away one night—I am sure it was on 24th February that I saw him rolling up these bonds, because it was my landlady's sister's birthday—I have seen Macdonnell come to him five or six times.

Re-examined He did not tell me what he was, or how he was engaged.

FRANCES CATHERINE GREY . I am a single woman and live at Pimlico—in December last I was employed at the Turkish Divan in the Haymarket—I used to be there of an evening—whilst I was there in December I made the acquaintance of the prisoners Maodonnell and Austin Bidwell, and I recognise Noyes—I knew Austin Bidwell as Theodore Bingham, and Macdonnell as George Macdonnell—I never knew Hills'name—the three used to come to the Turkish Divan in the evening—I supposed they were friends, they came together—Bingham said that Macdonnell was his doctor—I knew that Bingham was an American—Macdonnell said that Hills was a genius, that he had come over here to invent something—they used to come to the Divan sometimes two or three times a week, and sometimes not for a week—sometimes they stayed away a little while—I became on friendly terms with Austin Bidwell—I remember his going to Paris—I saw him off by the train at the Charing Cross Railway Station—that was in January I think, I don't remember the date—I saw him take his ticket; he told me that he was going to Paris on business, not what particular business—he was away two or three days—I saw him on his return, at the Turkish Divan, his face was strapped up, he had met with an accident; he had a small piece of plaster on his forehead—he said there had been an accident on the line by the mail train, that two persons were killed and he only got injured—I think he was alone when he told me this, but I don't remember; it was at the end of January as near as I can remember; that was the last time I saw him—he did not say anything about going away—after that I saw Macdonnell and Hills, they used to come to the Divan sometimes—I asked them about Austin Bidwell—I generally spoke to Macdonnell—he said that he was very ill, suffering from the accident—he also said he was suffering from a shot wound, and he would have to have the ball extracted from his side—he said that he was going to extract it—I always called Austin Bidwell by the name of Dorey—I afterwards received two or three letters from Dorey—this is one of them (produced)—I think Noyes brought it me, I am not sure, I am almost certain it was Noyes—I never saw Austia Bidwell write, and never saw him after receiving that letter—after he left I never received any letter signed Dorey from anyone except Hills or Macdonnell—one of them brought me that letter (Read: "My dear Daisey, I will be unable to see you, I am sorry to say, until I change my quarters, which I hope will be on Monday, and I shall do so almost only because I can see you. My friend will tell you how I am I can only write with difficulty, so I will write no more, only to say that I am, dear Daisy, yours very truly, Dorey")—"Daisy" was my familiar name—he was in the habit of calling me by that name—on one occasion Macdonnell brought me 20l., he said Dorey had sent it, that he (Dorey) was going to the South of France for the benefit of his health—after Dorey had left I became Macdonnell's friend—he was living at 17, St. James's Place—I visited him there once or twice—I did not know the address of Austin Bidwell or Hills—I did not know at all what they were—on one occasion, on February 7th, I went into

the City with Macdonnell in a brougham, he went into some house, and when he came out he had an envelope with coloured papers, American bonds I think they were—I had never seen any before—I did not see what he did with them—some time in February I had arranged to go to New York with Macdonnell—we were to start at first on 1st March, I think, on a Friday, but it was put off to another week as Macdonnell said he had to go to Paris, and he went away on the Saturday morning—he said he should be back on Thursday, but he came back on Tuesday—I saw him at his lodging, and he arranged for us to start for Liverpool next day—he said there was an unpleasant remark passed at the table where he was dining, something about the forgery, and he said they would be down upon all Americans now—he did not say what forgery—he said he understood the language they were speaking by asking them to pass something at the table, I think he said it was German—on the Tuesday night, the 4th, Macdonnell remained at my lodging—he went out between 7 and 8 o'clock in the morning, he returned about 12 o'clock in the day—when he was out some person called, I heard afterwards that it was Sergeant Bull, of the Detective force—a gentleman called before that, I think it was George Bidwell, it was very much like him—he asked me if Mr. Macdonnell was in, that he had not kept an appointment with him at the Grosvenor—I told him I expected him again, but he had gone out; the gentleman then left—I had got my things all ready to start, and during the day some man brought me my passage ticket for the Peruvian for America; two passage tickets were brought, a young woman was going with me—I received no message with the tickets—in the afternoon I had a telegram from Macdonnell, saying that it was impossible to go till the 9 o'clock train—I and the young woman left the lodging that day with the luggage, for the purpose of going to Liverpool—I saw Macdonnell in the evening, outside Gatti's Restaurant, near the Lowther Arcade—I went there to have some tea—that was before I had started from my lodging with my luggage—Macdonnell told me to go to Liverpool, and he would meet me there—I asked him why he had not taken a ticket for himself—he said he had taken it at another office—he said I was to go by the 9 o'clock train from Euston—he left me outside Gatti's—I then went to my lodging, got the luggage, went with my friend in a cab to Euston Square station, and went to Liverpool by the 9 o'clock train—I did not see Macdonnell again before I started—I went to the North Western Station Hotel at Liverpool, Macdonnell had told me to go there—I remained there till the following Friday, Macdonnell did not come, and I returned to London on Saturday—I had only my own luggage with me, not Macdonnell's; I don't know where his luggage was—the police took charge of my luggage at Euston Square on my return, and examined it—the next time I saw Macdonnell was in New York, in custody—I went out with one of the City police constables.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I saw Bingham off to Paris the last time he went before the accident; I saw him again three days after—he had then met with the accident; that was the last time I saw him until I saw him at the Mansion House—a good many Americans come to the Turkish Divan, it remains open until 1 o'clock; it is open all day, I believe—I was not living there, I was only an attendant there in the evening; I was evening barmaid; it is a smoking place.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. I first saw Noyes, Macdonnell, and Austin Bidwell at the beginning or middle of December—I could not say

the date, as near as I can remember it was the beginning of December—I never knew Noyes' name, he did not go by any name, I have seen him there several times; I can't exactly say how many—I saw him in December and January—he generally came with them; sometimes they dropped in one by one, they generally came together; there was smoking and everything in the shape of drink—either Noyes or Macdonnell brought me the letter, I could not be certain which it was.

KATE MARY ENGLISH . I am the manager of Nelson's Portland Hotel, and have been so since August last—I know all the prisoners, I have seen them at Nelson's Hotel—on 22nd August last George Bid well came there and took a room—he stayed one week—during that week I saw Austin Bid well and Macdonnell there; I knew them by those names and addressed them by those names—George Bidwell told me that his brother Austin Bid well was staying at some other hotel, a larger one than ours—he said that on a previous occasion he had stayed at the Langham—on this occasion he said he had come direct from a journey to our house—at the end of the week he asked me to tell him of some quiet watering place that he might go to for a day or two, and I told him Eastbourne—he left on the Friday morning, the 29th, and came back late on the Sunday night, the 1st September—he remained a few days, he then told me that he was going abroad, he wished me to receive his letters and keep them till he wrote, and then forward them to the address that he would give; he also wished me to receive and forward any letters for his brother or Macdonnell—he left with me a letter for Mr. Hills, I was to give it to Mr. Hills—he did not say when Hills would be likely to arrive—letters did arrive while he was away, and after that I received this letter (produced)—it is George Bidwell's writing, I don't think I have seen him write, I know his writing by receiving the letter from him; he afterwards referred to having written to me and to receiving my replies (Read: "Grande Hotel, St. James, 211, Rue St. Honoré, Paris. Send my letters to this hotel until further notice as soon as they arrive, and oblige yours, George Bidwell, or for J. C. Bidwell")—I forwarded to that hotel all the letters addressed to any of them—there were not many, I know by the postage paid—on 14th September I received this letter (Read: "14th September, Gnnde Hotel de Paris, Trouville. I have addressed a letter to Mr. Edwin Hills, and should he arrive please hand it to him when he asks for it. In case you have any letters for me, on receipt of this will you please forward them to this hotel, but not afterwards as I expect to leave here shortly; I shall let you know where to send them. Of course if my brother calls you may hand any letters or other things to him or to my other friend, but the letter enclosed for Mr. Hills you may say nothing of to them, merely holding it for the personal call of Mr. Hills, either Edwin or Edwin Noyes Hills. Yours, George Bidwell")—I did, as requested in that letter, forward letters to that address—on 23rd September I received this letter: "To H. C. Nelson, Esq. Paris, September 20. Dear Sir,—I received yours sent tor me at Trouville. May I trouble you to inform me if any person has called, if so, will you insist upon having their name and address, as lam owing two or three tradesmen altogether, perhaps 3l., and wish to know if they wish to obtain it before I return to London; at all events, I should like the names, and shall settle all accounts due to you, postage, &c., on my return. Direct to Drexell, Harjes & Co., 10, Rue Scribe, Paris. Signed George Bidwell. "I also received this letter on 24th October: (This was dated

Hombourg, 22nd October, 1872, from George Bidwell, requesting to be informed whether Hills liad yet called for his letters, and desiring letters for himself or brother to be forwarded to Hotel de Angleterre, Frankfort-on-the-Main.) Up to that time one telegram had arrived for Mr. Hills, I think—I forwarded twelve or thirteen letters in answer to this letter, the one for Hills was among them—I registered the packet, and sent it on to Hombourg to the address given; they were principally American letters—I remember seeing Macdonnell at the hotel before George Bidwell came back—he called a few days after I had sent the packet, and thanked me for having sent it, saying that he had heard from Mr. Bidwell, that he had received the letters safely, and he had come to pay the postage, which he did—I had sent the letters on 25th October, and Macdonnell called on 4th November, and paid me 6s. 6d. postage—he said I was to keep any letters that might come, as Mr. Bidwell expected to be soon in London, and I should see him—Macdonnell called more than once after that for letters—he said that George Bidwell was abroad travelling—towards the middle or end of November George Bidwell himself came—he asked if there were any letters or parcels for him, and if Mr. Hills had been, he had been expecting him some time, and he gave me another note addressed to him, which I was to keep and give to Hills should he call at any time—he also told me that he was going to live out of town, and would I receive any letters or parcels that might come for him, and he would call occasionally for them—he thanked me for having forwarded letters to him—he was aware that Macdonnell had called and paid the postage, he referred to that—I remember seeing Hills at the hotel in December, he gave his name Edward Noyes Hills, and asked if I had any letters for him—I had never seen him before—I asked him if he was Mr. Bid well's friend who had been expected in London for some time—he said "Yes," and I gave him a letter Mr. Bidwell had given me; and when he called a second time I gave him one or two American letters which had come by post—he opened the letter Bidwell had left and read it—he wished to know if I would receive letters for him and he would call for them, as when he left home he meant to stay at our hotel, but had changed his plans, and was going to stay out of town with a friend, and I agreed to do so, it was not customary, but he being a friend of Mr. Bidwell's I would—he called twice only—I had seen Austin Bidwell at our hotel when George stayed there at the latter end of August, he used to come every day—he only came when his brother was staying there—on 6th March George Bidwell came and had breakfast, after which he went to a dressing-room, and after that he brought his things to the office, and asked me to take charge of them—he said he would call later in the day for them—he left a coat and bag, and one or two other small things—he had not slept at the hotel—he came about 8, and left at 11—he never came again, but about 2 o'clock a cabman brought me this letter, which I assume to be in George Bidwell's writing: "Mr. Nelson. Dear Sir,—Please deliver to the bearer my coat, bundle, and anything you have for me; I will settle when I come in again. George Bidwell"—I gave the things to the cabman, taking his name and number—the bill is still owing.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. Mr. Bidwell was a week with us, and Macdonnell called frequently—when I was before the Lord Mayor, under examination, some photographs were passed to me—I do not know where they came from.

Re-examined. I think some of the prisoners had not arrived in this country then.

CHARLES GUYOT . I am waiter at Ford's Hotel, 16, Manchester Street, Manchester Square, and was so last November—I know the four prisonersI first saw George Bid well on 19th November—he had an engagement the day before, and he arrived there in the morning about 10. 30—he stayed till January 1st, 1873—two or three days before Christmas Day he ordered a dinner for Christmas Day, and on that day the four prisoners were present, and Helen Vernon and the other ladies came afterwards—the nearest prisoner to me was called Hall or Howe—I had seen the other two prisoners before; they did not give any names—I knew them, and let them in—I fancied that George Bidwell was an American; but I gave him an American paper one day, and he told me he was no American, but a Briton.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I was shown two photographs while I was under examination at the Mansion House; they had been shown to me before—that gentleman, the nearest to the desk, showed them to me some time in the beginning of March, before I was examined before the Lord Mayor—I mean the gentleman with the light hair.

Re-examined. I saw two photographs—I went before the Lord Mayor in March, but I saw the photographs before that; and when I went before the Lord Mayor, I saw only one of the persons the photographs represented—I saw the original at one time, but I never saw a photograph of him.

ROBERT JAMES GROVE . I am a lodging-house keeper, of 87, Upper Gloucester Place—on 1st January this year, George Bidwell engaged apartments at my place—Miss Vernon was with him—they remained till 5th February—Macdonnell visited him there, daily pretty well—they once had a dinnerparty—I don't know the exact date—four persona were there, I don't know who the others were—they left on 25th February and my wife assisted in packing up their things—Macdonnell was there in the fore part of the day—after they left I found these papers in one of the drawers. (A bill dated 3rd December, 1872, drawn by J. Berenberg & Gossler for 12l. 11s. 8d. at two months' date, to the order of Spaulding, endorsed "H. J. Spaulding;" also three other bill forms)

HENRY PHILPOT . I am head porter of the Hotel Victoria, St. Leonard's—on the 3rd March, George Bidwell and Helen Vernon arrived there, about 11 a. m., they occupied room No. 64—I helped to take the luggage up—about 6 p. m. George Bidwell drove to the station and came back with a large heavy box—he went out again directly and came back with Macdonnell who slept there that night and occupied room 38—before dinner Macdonnell gave me orders for the fire to be lighted in No. 38—he gave no reason for that—I took the large heavy box into that room—he did not take that box away when he left, he took a box which came in the morning, which was fetched from Warrior Square station—the one that came over night was left, but I never saw it opened—I did not assist to open it—I and the chambermaid assisted to open the box that came in the morning—it was like this box (produced)—Macdonnell took it away—it had been taken into his room—I carried it up, but I did not carry it down again—the one that came over night I carried down in the morning—I did not notice whether it was heavier or lighter.

ELIZABETH STEPHENSON . I am chambermaid at the Victoria Hotel—I remember Mr. and Mrs. Bidwell coming there on 3rd March—rooms had been telegraphed for for them—Macdonnell came in the evening—the porter

told me to have a fire lighted in room No. 38, and I did so—it smoked, and Macdonnell said he hoped it did not always smoke—I think the weather was rather rough and windy; I don't know that it was particularly cold.

RICHARD SHREWSBURY ELY . I am a clerk in the Dover branch of the London and County Bank at Dover—on Wednesday, 5th March, George Bidwell called for a draft—he wrote this: "Cheque on London for 300l. Order. Jas. E. Smart."—I asked him whether he would have a draft on our head office; he said "Yes;" and I filled up this paying-in slip: "London and County Bank, 5th March, 1873. James Esmarl, gold, 300l., commission, 9s."—he signed it "Jag. E. Smart, Long's Hotel, London."—I then made out this draft on the head office: "London and County Bank, 5th March, 1873. On demand, pay to James Esmart or order 300l., value received."—I afterwards corrected it to "Jas. E. Smart"—there is also on it, "Alteration in the endorsement requires to be confirmed by the payee"—that was written in London—I have initialed on this draft the alteration in the name—I asked him if he was staying in Dover, and he said no, he had just come from Calais and was going through to London—he gave me gold to pay for the draft; he turned it out of a bag—I counted it, and found 301 sovereigns instead of 300—I asked him if it was exactly 300 he wanted to draw for; he said that it might be one sovereign more or less—I gave him the sovereign back—he paid 9s. for the commission, and I delivered this draft to him.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. He was a stranger to me—there is an endorsement on the draft: "Pay to E. Noyes, or order. J. E. Smart E. Noyes.

Re-examinéd. That was not on it when I delivered it—I did not know anything about Noyes.

HENRY POTTER . I am a cashier at the London Joint Stock Bank, Princes Street, City—David Howell, a solicitor, of Cheapside, kept an account there in March last—on 13th March this draft, dated 5th March, was paid in with this paying-in slip—it was endorsed "E. Noyes," as it is now—payment was afterwards stopped, and it was retained by the London and County Bank.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. I believe Mr. Howell was the solicitor defending some of the prisoners.

JAMES NOYES . I am no relation to the prisoner Hills—I am a salesman to Messrs. Parkins & Gotto, of 24, Oxford Streek—I knew Helen Vernon as Mrs. Bidwell at the time she was living at 87, Upper Gloucester Place, and George Bidwell as her husband—I have seen Macdonnell with George Bidwell at Upper Gloucester Place—on 27th January Mrs. Bidwell bought a bag for 25l. 10s.—I understood that it was a present for her husband—I engraved the Bidwell arms on it, and took it home on 5th February—George Bidwell afterwards ordered two bags of me, one at 38l. and one at 48l.; one of them was for Macdonnell, and I saw him about it in our show-room—he brought me the Macdonnell arms to put on it, like this sketch (produced)—I have written on it, "Mackenzie arms; "I thought it was the clan Mackenzie—I put those arms on the bag that George Bidwell bought for Macdonnell—they were ready by 22nd February, and I took them to Upper Gloucester Place, and George Bidwell gave me in payment for them a 100l. note, No. 95, 688, 25th March, 1872—I took him the change on the Monday—on the same day Mrs. Bidwell called to have some alteration made in Mr. Bidwell's bag, and next day, the 25th, I took it to Upper

Gloucester Place, and found a cab with the luggage at the door; they were just going away—these (produced) are the two bags—on 5th March, about 7.30 p. m., George Bid well called and bought a dressing-case for Mrs. Bid well for 18l., which he paid in gold, and asked me if I could give him notes for gold; he gave me 100l. in gold, and I gave him 60l. in notes; I could not do the other—I put the dressing-case in a cab, and he took it away—next morning, before I was at business, he brought it back, and left it with the shopwalker to be engraved, and I put on it the initials, "H. E. V."—on that evening, 6th March, a cabman brought me a note from George Bidwell, in consequence of which I went to Drummond's Hotel, near Euston Square, with the dressing-case—I declined to send it by the cabman, as the engraving was not paid for—I saw George Bidwell there—he was shaved quite clean; he had a very stiff moustache before—I gave him the dressing-case and he paid me for the engraving—that was about 8 o'clock, or a little after—he had told me in ordering the other two bags that he had given one of them to his brother.

ALFRED HENRY REMOND . I am manager at the head office of the North Atlantic Express Company, Moorgate Street—I know Macdonnell—I first saw him on 5th March—he came to me for the purpose of sending a box to Major Matthews of New York—he wrote these two documents, a consignment and a declaration, part of them is written and part is signed—one copy goes to New York, and I retain the other—this is the box, the original direction is on it. (This was forwarded by Charles Lossing, of London, to Major George Matthews of New York—date blank—duty not paid—"wearing apparel actually in use "dimensions 32 by 23. To be kept in bond in New York till called for. Sender's signature, "Charles Lossing, Tunbridge Wells")

Cross-examined by MR. METCALFE. I say that that was Macdonnell—I was shown a photograph of him before I saw him—three or four photographs were shown to me—one of Mr. Freshfield's clerks showed them to me—he gave me no intimation that any of the photographs were of the men who were charged with the Bank forgery—he called at my office, and asked me if we had forwarded a trunk to Major Matthews, and asked me if I recollected the person who brought it—he then showed me three or four photographs, and asked me if any of them was like the person who brought the trunk to my office—I pointed out the one which I believed to represent Macdonnell—I did not recognise it by his beard; all the photographs had more or less beard, like my own so as to exclude the razor altogether—I was afterwards taken to the Mansion House, the prisoners were, I think, all there—I was called expressly to identify Macdonnell—he was not pointed out to me, I pointed him out in the dock—I am perfectly sure he is the person.

WILLIAM BRIGHAM BARWELL . I am the general superintendent of the South Atlantic Express Company, they carried on business in April, at 71, Broadway, New York, they are at 57, Broadway—they have an office in London—they received goods forwarded from London to New York—in March last I received this way-bill from Liverpool referring to a trunk from Lossing of London—the trunk arrived at New York on 20th March—I find my initials on this way-bill—about that time, in consequence of a communication from Mr. Griswold, I searched in my office and found this letter addressed to me: (This was dated London, 8th March, 1873, requesting that a trunk forwarded by steamship Baltic, containing wearing apparel for Major George Matthews, might be kept in bond till called or sent for Signed C. Matthews.) I then searched for the trunk and found it on

one of our drays at our door, not in the warehouse—on the same day a woman brought the letter signed "George Matthews" and I immediately took steps to stop the delivery of the box—it was afterwards opened in my presence, and I found in it three bundles of bonds, the total nominal value of which is 220, 950 dollars—their numbers and value were called out and taken down in my presence—I also found in the box this visiting card with "George Bid well" on it, these two watches, some shells strung together, some wearing apparel, this card plate, and these dies or seals—the first package of bonds I took out was wrapped in a nightshirt and a bath towel, the next package in some soiled linen, and the third I did not take out myself—Mr. De Costa was present and Mr. Henry Jarvis, two English police officers, and one of the Pinkertones—I handed all the things over to the Receiver, who gave a receipt for them.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. Mr. Jarvis opened the box in my presence.

CHARLES DE COSTA . I am a member of the firm of Blatchford, Seward, Griswold, & De Costa—we were solicitors to the Bank of England at New York at the time of making this claim, and of the extradition of Maodonnell—I was present at the opening of the box, and I afterwards received the bonds and the other property from the Receiver—a bill in Equity was filed, and this property was claimed as having been bought with the proceeds—I received the bonds, and they were turned over to Mr. Peter Williams, as representing Messrs. Freshfield—these are the bonds (produced), they are worth about 45,000l.—they were rolled up just as they are now, in three parcels, at the bottom of the big trunk, among some soiled linen—I saw the watches and chain taken outone watch had a monogram, "G., B.," on it, and a crest—there was also this little leather bag of foreign coins or medals, a large collection of shells, some shirts, an elegant new dressing-gown, wrapped in an oil-silk cover, and other clothes, this red seal with "G. B. "on it, and this die—two packages, one directed to "G. C. Brownell" and the other to "A. B. Bid well, Esq., New York, U. S. A., care of New York Safety Deposit Company, 140, Broadway, New York," were obtained from the post-office authorities by Nathaniel Jervis, jun., and in the end handed over to us with their contents, as they are now—the post-mark is, "Registered, 25th February, 1873"—I am not sufficiently cognisant of post-marks to say where it is from—the New York postmark is, I think, March 13—it contained 17, 500 or 17, 600 dollars, which would be worth about 3, 700l. in English money—the seals correspond with one of the seals found in the box—the second package is a registered letter, addressed to "G. C. Brownell, Esq., Brevoort House, Fifth Avenue, New York," and bears the Cork post-mark of March, 1873, and the New York post-mark of March 20; it contains 17, 500 dollars, and is sealed with precisely the same seal as the others—this letter, addressed to "George M. Macdonnell, Esq., Post Office, New York," is one that the Receiver opened and handed to me; it is dated "Edinburgh, 11th March"—there is also another dated 11th March; another dated the 13th, addressed to "Alfred J. Watson, Brevoort House;" another of "Alfred John Watson, Edinburgh, 11th March;" one of "Edinburgh, 15th March," with a newspaper enclosure (the two last were addressed "Alfred J. Watson, Brevoort House, Fifth Avenue, New York"); another of the 18th, with a newspaper enclosure, to the same address, and a separate slip of paper; another of 22nd March, to the same address; another of the 22nd, to "J. W. B. Bax,

Mogegan, Michigan, United States," with an envelope enclosure addressed to "Austin Biron B. or Mack;" also a letter of April 2nd, 1873, addressed to "Miss Martha A. Brewer, Post-office, South Bend, Ind., U. S.," with several enclosures; all those are dated from Edinburgh—here is another package, which a member of our firm went to Springfield to get; he is not here—I saw it at our office in New York, and I saw the member of our firm, Mr. Seward, take it out of his trunk in this city when he was here about a month ago—at that time it contained 10,000 dollars in United States Government bonds.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I received all these things, not from the post-office, but from the Receiver, Mr. Nathanial Jervis, junr., who was appointed Receiver in the action by the Court; he is not here—these three packages, the aggregate of which is 220,000 dollars, I myself saw taken out of this trunk; also these dies, and all the other little matters lying before me—I was present when the Receiver opened the trunk, and when these were taken out; they were counted and numbered in my presence—these are the lists made of them, re-checked by me—the trunk was opened in an Express Office in Broadway—this package, addressed to "Austin Biron Bid well, care of the New York Safety Deposit Company, 140, Broadway"—one of my partners got from the New York post-office, the post-office authorities refused to receive it, and the envelope is so marked—we received it from the Receiver at the final end of the action—the Receiver opened it the moment it was placed in his hands by the post-office authorities—I was not present when he opened it; it had been opened before I saw it—the packet addressed to "G. C. Brownell, "I also got from the Receiver—I think, with one exception, I was present at the opening of every letter produced.

Cross-examined by MR. MBTCALFE. I am a member of the firm of Blatchford, Seward, & De Costa—Mr. Seward and myself attend to the Court business, the other partners attend to the office—our technical phraseology is "attorney and counsel"—Mr. Blatchford is not a judge—Judge Blatch ford was a member of the firm till he went on the Bench five years ago—the Mr. Blatchford now in the firm is a nephew of his, but the name of the firm has not been changed.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. Our firm got these letters from the Receiver; some were opened in his office, and some in ours—they were given tip by the New York Post Office authorities to the Receiver appointed by the Court.

JAMES RICHARDSON . I was a waiter at Durrant's Hotel, George Street, Portman Square, in December and January last—I know Macdonnell and Noyes—on Friday, 27th December, Noyes came to the hotel about 10. 30 at night; he took a bedroom—he gave the name of Edwin Noyes—the first night he occupied No. 2, the next day he engaged No. 20—he said he should require it for a month or two—he brought his luggage that dayhe remained upwards of a fortnight—early in January a number of letters came for him; I should think fifty or sixty in three successive days—about the second or third day he was there Macdonnell came; he asked for Edwin Noyes, an American gentleman; he was then in the coffee-room alone, having his breakfast; Macdonnell did not give his name—I showed him in in the ordinary way, and said "There is a gentleman for you"—they said "Good morning," or something of that sort, and Noyes immediately rose from the table, walked out into the hall, and put on his hat and coat—I can't say that they shook hands. I don't believe they did while I was

in the room—there was a Hansom cab waiting at the door, which Macdonnell drove up in—Noyes said "Shall I go straight away with you now?"—they went off together in the cab to Baker Street station—Noyes carne back that night and slept at the hotel—next morning he told me that he should have to get up much earlier in the morning than he had done, that he had been very successful in obtaining what he wanted; he then referred to the number of letters he had received, and told me he had advertised for a situation as clerk, and had paid down a deposit of 300l. as security—I told him he ought to be very careful in whose hands he placed 300l., being a stranger in the country—he said, "Oh, not with such gentlemen as these; I guess I'm all right"—he said that he had not answered any of the letters, that the gentleman, Macdonnell, had called upon him; they had spent the day together, and he had introduced him to their bankers, and they came to terms—he left the hotel three times altogether; I have not the dates—the last time was on 4th February, that was the last meal he had in the house, and the 9th was the last time he was in the hotel.

Cross-examined by MR. HOLLINGS. The first I heard about my giving evidence was on 1st March—I left Durrant's hotel on 8th March—I gave evidence at the Mansion House about the 28th—nothing had drawn my attention to this conversation between 9th or 10th January and 1st March—that was the only conversation I had with Noyes—I always spoke a few words to him each morning when we met, but not what I call a conversation—he had no luggage when he came on 27th December; it came next day—I can't say what it was, it came after I had gone home at 10. 30 at night—I did not sleep at the hotel—the luggage was placed in No. 2.—I saw it afterwards—he took away two boxes, one was a black one and the other what I call an American box—I have repeated all the conversation word for word—my memory is just the same as if it occurred yesterday.

PETER WILLIAMS . I am a member of the firm of Messrs. Freshfield—I went over to New York in respect of this business—I received this letter (produced) from Mr. Nixon, a gentleman in the Custom House there on 4th June.

HENRY THOMAS HAGGER , I was salesman to Messrs. Kino, tailors, of 87, Regent Street, up to a month ago—about 19th December last Noyes called and ordered some clothes; he gave the name of Brooks—he afterwards called and paid for them, 3l. 10s.—on 25th January he ordered some more which came to 3l. 17s. 6d., and again on the 28th, that order came to 56l. 8s.—he then gave his address at Nelson's Hotel, Great Portland Street—we kept the clothes till he called for them, which he did on the 31st, and paid for them—I also know Austin Bidwell and Macdonnell—I saw Macdonnell about 12th September; I knew him by that name; I did not hear him give his address—I believe the things were sent to the Alexandra Hotel—he afterwards gave me an order, and then gave his address as Chislehurst—I first saw Austin Bidwell in November—he gave that name and ordered a coat—about 7th January he ordered clothes amounting to 23l.—I have since seen in the possession of the police some of the clothes that were made for Noyes and Macdonnell.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I did not see Austin Bidwell after 7th January—I won't be certain whether I saw him after he was hurt—I don't recollect it—I did not see him try on the clothes.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Noyes came first alone—I am certain of that, he came alone on each occasion—he gave the name of Brooks—I

have it here entered in in my book; it is my own entry; he did not sign it—I made the entry a very few minutes afterwards.

WILLIAM MILLS . I am a shopman in the employ of Messrs. Bax &. Co., hatters, 443, Strand—on 26th November George Bidwell called and purchased a hat—on 19th December he called and introduced a gentleman as Mr. Brooks, which I believe to be Noyes—he called again on 24th February.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. I went before the Lord Mayor on 22nd May—George Bidwell and Noyes were then in custody—I was not certain about Noyes' face; he had the general appearance of Mr. Brooks, his build, and fair complexion, and so on—I had the impression that he was the man—I saw George Bidwell about eight times, a few minutes at a time.

THOMAS HENRY JESSEY . I am manager to Messrs. Bax & Co., umbrella manufacturers, 6, Duncannon Street, Strand—I know Austin Bidwell, Macdonnell, and George Bidwell, and by those names—I first saw Austin Bidwell and George Bidwell on 20th August last year—they brought this stick (produced) and I mounted it—I was directed to put upon it "G. M., from George and Austin"—Austin Bidwell afterwards called for it and took it away; the mounting cost 7l. 8s.—it is a gold snake with a diamond eye—I saw Macdonnell, I think, on 4th November, 1872—he gave his address at the Alexandra Hotel—I covered an umbrella for him at that date—I know Miss Vernon—I sent some umbrellas to 87, Upper Gloucester Place—Miss Vernon ordered them; she came in a carriage—I have since seen the umbrellas produced by the police.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I did not see Austin Bidwell after he was hurt—I don't know that he was hurt.

SARAH WHITE . I am a mantle maker, of 7, Charlotte Street, Fitzroy Square—I have resided there ten years—I have been in the habit of letting the first and second floors of my house—towards the end of last January Mrs. Franklin came and took one of my rooms—I know the prisoners Hills and Macdonnell—I knew Hills as Mr. Franklin, and Macdonnell as Mr. Macdonnell—I first knew Hills on 2nd February—he came and engaged my drawing-room floor for himself and Mrs. Franklin; they passed as Mr. and Mrs. Franklin—he did not bring any luggage with him when he first came; he did not stay there that night—he came once or twice to call, and finally took up his residence on the 4th—he then brought a pair of boots for Mrs. Franklin and a galvanic battery, and he went away and fetched a portmanteau—he stayed until 1st March—I used to put out his things for the laundress—I saw on one of his shirts, "A. B., No. 1," and "G. B. Macdonnell" on another—he used to go out in the morning after breakfast and come back to dinner—I remember on one occasion Mrs. Franklin bringing me a telegram; there were three or four telegrams; they were all to defer dinner—on one occasion Mrs. Franklin brought some bonds and showed me—I did not see Hills do anything with them—I supplied some crystal cement to Mrs. Franklin—on 1st March Hills went out as usual in the morning—I went out about 5.30 in the afternoon, and when I came back his portmanteau was gone—he never returned.

JESSE WHITE . I am the husband of the last witness—I remember the bonds being shown to me—I went through them, and reckoned their value to be between 3,000l. and 4,000l.—they were American bonds—I was there when Macdonnell came and fetched away the box in a cab, on Saturday, 1st March.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. There were so many bonds of 500 dollars, and others of 100 dollars—500 dollars is 108l. 6s. 8d.—it was mere guess work: I just went through them—there was a great quantity.

WILLIAM HENRY DODMEAD . I am a salesman in the employ of Messrs. Pope & Plant, hosiers, of Waterloo Place—on 17th January Noyes came and ordered a linen shirt to be made as a sample—he came and tried it on, and ordered eleven others, at 21s. each—he gave the name of "E. F. Williams, Nelson's Hotel, Great Portland Street"—he called on 30th January, paid for them, and took them away with him.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. I did not see him when he first came—there is an entry in the book; it was not made by me; Mr. Pearce received the order—he is not here—the name "E. F. Williams" appears in the book in Mr. Pearce's writing—I tried the pattern-shirt on Noyes—I addressed him as Mr. Williams—he gave me his name and address at the time he decided on the pattern-shirt and placed the further order.

Re-examined. I have since seen the pattern-shirt and six others, seven out of the twelve, in possession of the officers.

CAROLINE BEARD . I am chambermaid at the Gresvenor Hotel—I know Austin Bidwell, Macdonnell, and Hills—I knew Austin Bidwell as Captain Bradshaw—he came to the hotel about the beginning of December, and left on the 27th—Macdonnell came there four or five days after Austin Bidwell, and he came in the name of Mapleson—before Macdonnell came Austin Bidwell said he had a friend coming—I asked him if I should engage another room; he said no, they would make the one do; and when Macdonnell came they occupied the same room, a large one—Austin Bidwell afterwards said he had another friend coming—I asked if he would want another room; he said "Yes," and I engaged No. 94—that was about the middle of December, and then Hills came, in the name of Brooks—he only stayed two or three nights.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I was not examined before the Lord Mayor—I gave information to the prosecution about two months ago; somebody came to me—they did not show me any photograph the first day, they did the next day, a photograph of Austin Bidwell—the last time I saw him was on 27th December.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. I don't remember on what day I first saw Hills; I think it was about the 16th or 17th December—I saw him several times—his name was not mentioned to me before he came—I asked him his name to have it put on the arrival book, and he himself gave the name of Brooks.

AGNES BELINDA GREEN . I keep a private hotel at 17, St James's Place—I know Macdonnell by the name of Captain Macdonnell—he took some rooms at my hotel from 6th February to 3rd March; a sitting-room and bedroom adjoining, on the ground floor—my landlord is Mr. Walter Coulson, the surgeon—I did not see Macdonnell till the day before he left—I saw George Bidwell at my hotel several times—I don't know what he came for—he generally went into Captain Macdonnell's rooms—on 3rd March Macdonnell left, and took his luggage with him—he said he was going to Paris—I saw him about 11 o'clock; he left about 1 o'clock—the day after he left I went into his bedroom; it had not been let in the meantime—I found there some newspapers and blotting-paper, and a piece of paper with some printed impressions on it—these are them (produced)—I read something about these forgeries in the Daily Telegraph on the

Monday, the day Macdonnell left, and I sent for the police that night—when I found these papers I gave them up to Smith, the City officer, also this copy of the City Directory, which Macdonnell left behind. (This had several pages torn out which contained the names and addresses of wood engraven, amongst others, Straker, 16, Ivy Lane, and Cheshire, 42, Paternoster Row, and others.) Macdonnell had been occupying the room from 6th February to 3rd March—no one else was in the habit of going into it, except the servants, to clean. (The pieces of blotting paper, four in number, had upon them, "E 2, New York, Feb. F. E. T. Y., Co., Deposit Co., 140, Broadway, New York. Russian Bank. Shroeder & Co. S. H. Hengler, St. Petersburgh 4th February, 187—. C. E. Dalton. Veleha. F. A. W., 1st Feb., '73. 10 thouounds. 10,000.") I remember on one occasion my manager bringing me a 10l. note to endorse.

Cross-examined by MR. METCALFE. I gave information the same day—I sent my manager to the Old Jewry to Inspector Bailey—I read it in the Daily Telegraph, and that was the reason I sent—I saw that a forgery had been committed, and two gentlemen were wanted—it was merely a paragraph—I don't know whether Noyes was in custody at that time—I read about it on the evening of the 3rd, about four or five hours after Macdonnell had left, before I found the blotting paper or anything of that kind—I sent information because my manager said the whole of their conduct was most extraordinary, not from what I saw myself.

FRANTZ ANTON HEROLD . I am manager of Miss Green's private hotelit is our practice not to take persons into the house without an introduction—I remember Macdonnell coming there, he gave me the introduction of Dr. Coulson—he engaged a bedroom and sitting-room on the ground floor—the bedroom window looked into St. James's Place—I have seen the prisoner whom I now know as George Bidwell there—he first came on the 7th of February—I only knew him by the name of "George"—Macdonnell used to call him "George"—the first day Macdonnell was there he said he would like to have the fires as large as they could be made—he said he felt cold, chilly, he came from a hot country, from South America—it was his only complaint when he said the fire was not large enough, he would like to have a larger fire—George Bidwell was there on the 10th of February—I procured a "Continental Guide" for him—Macdonnell asked me if I had got a small wooden box, about a foot long, or a little more—George Bidwell was present—they said they wanted to send something to India, and they gave me a little machine and a cloak to wrap the machine in—I can't tell what sort of a machine it was—I had a box made by a boxmaker to put it in—the boxmaker fastened it up, and I gave it back to Macdonnell fastened up, all ready—after Macdonnell had been with us a day or two, he said "Tell the servants before they enter to knock first loud, and enter when I say 'Come in ‘"—he stayed with us till the 3rd March—George Bidwell used to come there nearly every day about 8 o'clock in the morning—he might come earlier or later than 8—he generally used to ring the front door bell, and some of the servants or myself opened the door—I noticed also that Macdonnell opened the door once himself—he used to open the door in his shirt sleeves, because the bedroom was near the front door—I observed George Bidwell come in sometimes without ringing the door bell—I heard him knocking at Macdonnell's window with a stick or umbrella—Macdonnell came out and was going to open the door, but I was first—George Bidwell used to be there nearly all the part of the forenoon, and he used to go

out and in several times during the day—they were always working, writing in the bedroom—they used candles and gas day and night almost; they used all the gas-burners there were in the bedroom—the sitting-room was at the back—there are two entrances into the bedroom, one from the sitting-room and one from the hall—the gas globes were all cracked with the high pressure of gas, and the ceiling was very black—the bedroom blinds used generally to be down in the day time as well as at night—Macdonnell asked me for a piece of glass—I gave him this piece (producedi, and he said it would do nicely—I found it in the room, after he left, as it is now; I did not see anything particular about it—I noticed a great deal of luggage about the room while he was there, and there were papers on the table where he used to write—they were like bills of exchange—I remember Macdonnell receiving two telegrams one day—he came home on Sunday night about 12.30—he had received the telegram the week before—he sent for me when he came in on the Sunday night—he said he now knew what those two telegrams meant that he had received before—I had had some talk with him before as to what was in the telegrams—there was something about George and 500l.—on the Sunday night he said the telegrams came from his father, and he had received a letter from his father, and in the letter he understood what those two telegrams meant—he asked me if he could telegraph directly, and in the end he went out himself to Charing Cross to telegraph somewhere—the last day I saw George Bid well was on the 1st March—Macdonnell left on the 3rd; he could not make up his mind whether he would leave or not—it was a very wet day, and he said several times before that he would leave, but he had never done so, and on 3rd March he said "I think I am going to leave to-day," and I asked him "Will not you wait? it is such bad weather for travelling;" and he said "Yes, I will wait, I won't go," and after all he made up his mind and went—he sent his baggage off in two cabs, and walked himself—he did not leave any address; he said he was going to Paris and was coming back that very night—I said "You are a very quick traveller"—when he went away he said "There is a book and a case, if any of my friends call will you give them to them"—I found several foreign newspapers lying about in the bedroom and sitting-room after they had gone—when Macdonnell first came he gave me 170l. in gold, and asked me to give him Bank of England notes for it—I did so—Helen Vernon came once with George Bidwell; I can't say exactly when that was, but I remember it was on a Sunday.

Cross-examined by MR. METCALFE. I have seen them both writing in the bedroom, but principally I have seen Macdonnell—he was always writing when I have seen him in the bedroom—I could not say the blinds were always down, but nearly always—I am manager at this place—I used to be waiter—at that time, I was head waiter and manager—I went into the bedroom when I was asked for, and he was frequently writing then—I went in sometimes and asked for orders—he admitted me while he was writing and all these papers about him—that was in the day time as well as in the evening—he used to talk a great deal—when the gentlemen were there three or four days I had a kind of suspicion about them—I was suspicious before he went away—I said something to Miss Green two or three weeks before he went, and after he had gone she sent me for the police—I did not read the Telegraph that day before I went to the police—Miss Green read to me about the forgery about 5 or 6 o'clock in the afternoon—I had not heard

anything about it before—I was suspicious because they used to have writing that I never saw before in men of business—we very rarely have men of business at the hotel; chiefly officers and gentlemen—I took the glass that I produced out of a picture frame—there may be importance in it but I don't know—I did not see it used for anything.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. I have seen George Bidwell writing in the sitting-room on one or two occasions—I can't say that they were little notes—I was only there a minute or two at a time, sometimes I may have been a little longer, sometimes shorter—I have seen George Bidwell write in the bedroom—Macdonnell was there at the same time—I have seen the two gentlemen writing together in the bedroom—I could not say when it was, they were generally together.

THOMAS BROWN BARNARD . I am salesman and cashier to Messrs. Newton & Co., tailors, of Hanover Square—I know the prisoner George Bidwell by the name of Horace Arthur—he came to us first on 4th May last year, he did not give his address on the first occasion, but he afterwards gave it as the Langham Hotel—he ordered a quantity of clothes, in value about 43l.—I asked him for a reference, but he gave a deposit of 10l. on account instead—he called, tried the clothes on, and afterwards called for them—I did not see him again after the month of May, until 6th December—he then gave me an order for some more clothes—on 20th December I saw him again—on that occasion he was accompanied by Hills—I knew him as E. F. Williams, the address was "Care of Horace Arthur, Langham Hotel"—I also know George Macdonnell as George Mapleson—I made clothes for Hills to the value of 21l. 15s.—he paid for them on 4th January—I first saw Mr. Mapleson on 12th December—he came with George Bidwell—I saw George Bidwell on 21st December, and he gave me an order for a dressing gown as a present to his friend, Mr. Mapleson—about the end of January he gave me an order for a hunting suit; a black hunting coat, a striped waistcoat, and Bedford cord breeches—he directed me to send them to the Rugby Railway Station, and on that day he paid 50l. on account of the money that was owing to us—I sent the hunting suit off to Rugby on 18th February—I afterwards saw him, and asked him whether he had received the things, and he said he had—I saw him once or twice after that, and on the 4th of March I received this letter from him in consequence of which I altered a coat to which that refers—on the following day, the 5th, he called—he was in a very agitated state of mind, and his manner very agitated indeed—he asked hurriedly to have all the goods we had packed up, his account made out, and he would pay it, and take away the clothes there and then—he paid the account, and took away the clothes—I have been shown a quantity of things by the officers in this case, and I recognise some I made for Horace Arthur, and some I made for E. F. Williams.

WILLIAM MEARS NEWTON . I am a tailor—I am the principal of the last witness—in December we had a customer named Williams—a customer named Horace Arthur introduced him—George Bidwell is the customer Horace Arthur—I also knew Macdonnell by the name of George Mapleson.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Arthur did not give me his name as Williams; the customer himself gave me his name—Arthur brought him as a customer; he did not mention his name—we take the name down after we receive the order.

ANN THOMAS . In April last year I lived at 21, Enfield Road, South Kingsland—I know Austin Bidwell, Macdonnell, and George Bidwell—

George Bidwell came after my apartments in April, 1872—he took lodgings at my house—South Kingsland is Haggerstone—I asked him 15s., but he paid me 1l. a week, on the terms that he was to leave at any time—he gave the name of Mr. Anthony—there was another person with him, but I never ascertained his name—Austin Bidwell and Macdonnell came there while George Bidwell was staying with me—they breakfasted every morning after they first came—a parcel came for Mr. Warren—I sent my daughter up with it; it was kept—George Bidwell remained a little more than a week—when he left he took the latch-key with him—I asked the fair gentleman, whose name I did not know, to ask Mr. Anthony to please to send it back, and I received this letter enclosing the key: (Read: 29th April, 72. Terminus Hotel, London Bridge, S. E. Mrs. Thomas. Dear Madam,—In behalf of friends and self, we offer you our sincere thanks for the kindness and attention received during our stay at your house; everything being neat and the cooking superb. Regretting that we are called out of town so soon, we are very truly yours, C. W. Anthony and friends.")—Mr. Anthony left the other gentleman Living with me that week—after George Bidwell left, Austin Bidwell called and took away some things—in March in the present year I received this letter from Mr. Anthony: (This was dated "Edinboro' March 14, 1873," signed "Anthony," and requested the witness to accommodate him with a lodging on the following Tuesday or Wednesday.) I was full at that time—that letter contained an envelope addressed to the Pitt Street postoffice, Edinburgh, but I don't think there was any name—I engaged a sitting-room and bedroom for him at a neighbour's opposite, Mrs. Lovell, 6, Enfield Road—I received a note from Mrs. Lovell about the lodgings, and forwarded it to the address at Edinburgh—this is the letter (produced).

GEORGE OKE . I am chief clerk at the Mansion House—a witness named James McKelvie was examined there before the Lord Mayor on 4th April—the prisoners had an opportunity of cross-examining him at the time—his deposition was taken on the first appearance of George Bidwell, and there were then only George Bidwell and Noyes before the Court—he was re-called after the others were arrested, to afford them an opportunity of cross-examining him, that was on 27th June, he was re-sworn and the evidence was read over. (A certified copy of the death of James McKelvie, on 15th July, 1873, was put in, describing him as a private detective, aged 36. Cause of death, typhus fever.

DAVID FERGUSON . I am a detective officer in Edinburgh—I knew the late James McKelvie, who was a private detective—he is dead—that is his signature. (The deposition was read as follows: "I am a private detective officer, residing at 120, Nicholson Street, in the City of Edinburgh. I have within half an hour arrived here from Scotland. I received certain information from Gibson, Craig & Co., of Edinburgh, writers to the signet, and in consequence of that I watched the house No. 22, Cumberland Street, Edinburgh, on Wednesday last, the 2nd April instant, from about twenty-five minutes past 10 o'clock in the morning. It is a private house. The prisoner came out of the house to the door, looked round and went back again, and remained in about twenty minutes, and then he came out, and from his appearance I suspected he was George Bidwell. I watched him and saw where he went. He posted a letter in a pillar-box, and then he went to a stationer's shop, and then to a baker's shop. When standing at the door he looked around and came out and went around the corner, and in about twenty yards he set off to run as hard as he could run. I ran after him, he ran into a blacksmith's shop, from which he turned back and passed me. I

took no notice of him as he did so; he walked on a little and then started to run again. He then ran down Drummond Place and Scotland Street; he went through Scotland Street lane, and over the Church railings, jumped over several stone walls, one after the other. I followed him, and went through a private house into Scotland Street again. I got round to the street by another way, and was in the street as soon as he. I ran him to Duncan Street, Stockbridge, in which he came to a standstill, and could not run any further. He made several thrusts at me with a stick which he had in his hand. I took out of my pocket a small baton and held it out as if it were a pistol, and told him ‘to stand and be a gentleman, and give me his hand; to be a brother and not a coward. 'I got hold of his hand and held him. (I called him a 'brother' because I fancied he gave me a Masonic sign.) I got assistance and drove him in a cab to Messrs. Gibson, Craig & Co.'s office. I said 'You are George Bidwell; you are wanted for the forgery on the Bank of England. 'He spoke some foreign language, and I don't know what he said. I understood him to say that he was not a Fenian. I said 'I know that; I was not looking for any Fenians. 'When I got him to the office I asked him if he could give any account of himself, and why he ran over those private grounds and stone walls? and he would not give me any answer. A few minutes afterwards he said he was subject to giddiness in the head, and took to those fits of running off. I asked him what I might call him, and he said 'You may call me James, if you like. 'He would give no answers to any questions after that He spoken very broken English, like a Frenchman. I gave him a book to read. He said either his father or mother belonged to France, and the other to Germany. He said he had been in Paris. I told him there was an old friend of his doing five years there just now. I bound up his leg, which was cut and bleeding. He was then handed over to the police of Edinburgh, and I had nothing more to do with him. The stationer's shop was kept by Mr. Anderson, into which I saw him go. I did not search him or the lodgings. I only watched the lodgings.—Cross-examined by DR. KENEALY, Counsel for the prisoner Noyes. I apprehended him about 2 o'clock, and handed him over to the police about 4 o'clock. I believe a telegram was sent to London at once. I believe the lodgings were searched between 2 and 4 o'clock on Wednesday. I arrived in London to-day at a quarter to ten o'clock. I was not asked to go to London that day.—Re-examined by MR. POLAND. I was telegraphed for yesterday.—Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY, Counsel for George Bidwell:—When the prisoner came to a standstill in Duncan Street, Stockbridge, as described in my former deposition just read, there was a coal porter standing about fifty yards off, and I called to him to come to me and assist He would not see the thrusting of the stick by the prisoner George Bidwell He might have seen it. He might have seen me holding my baton out as if it were a pistol, or heard what I said to the prisoner. The coal porter came up afterwards. That is the assistance I meant I got. I took hold of Bid well's hand. The prisoner said ‘I am not a Fenian' Many persons who were got around us then might have heard it. I had never seen the prisoner before, to my knowledge. I have been in France, but not in Paris. I have private information about the person I mentioned in my former deposition as doing five years in Paris. I knew that person in Edinburgh five years ago. His name is Logan. I never saw Logan with George Bidwell. When I mentioned it to Bidwell he said, 'You'll pardon me, but I can't answer your

questions. 'He might have said also, that it was a lie. Re-examined by MR. POLAND, Counsel for the Prosecution:—I was toying to see if I could drag anything out of him. I knew Logan. The coal porter did assist me. (Signed) James McKelvie."

ALFRED CLOVER . In March last, I was in the employ of Messrs. Davis & Co., receiving agents in Tichbourne Street—on 3rd March, Macdonnell came with three packages to be forwarded—he gave the name of Gray—he asked me to fetch some labels, tags; I fetched tacks in mistake—he asked me to go again—I told him I could not leave the office, so he went himself and got some—he wrote the address on them and fastened the labels on the boxes—I forwarded the luggage to our office in the City, and from there it would go to Liverpool—these are the boxes (produced.)

WILLIAM GREEN . I am a detective Serjeant of the City of London Police—I took possession of these three trunks at Liverpool—in one of them I found this letter (produced).

JOHN ROBERT GRAY . I am assistant to Messrs. Hawes & Son, jewellers, of 14, Cranbourne Street—in December last I sold a watch to a person who gave the name of George Bidwell, of 87, Upper Gloucester Place, I could not swear to the prisoner—the same person came again on 29th January, and I then sold him a brilliant ring for 105l.—he paid me with a 100l. bank note and five sovereigns—I did not write on the note—I know nothing of the writing in this note—(looking at one) I don't know anything about it—I paid the note into the Bond Street branch of the City Bank the same day—I sold the same person a carbuncle, diamond, and enamelled suite on 5th February for 52l. 10s. he paid me in gold—I have since seen the suite at the Mansion House—this is it (produced), and this is the watch.

HELEN ETHEL VERNON (re-examined). This suite of jewellery and this watch were given to me by George Bidwell in February, I think.

WILLIAM WESTON Goss. I am cashier at the Bond Street branch of the City Bank—MESSRS. Hawes & Son, jewellers, keep an account there—on 29th January last this 100l. note was paid in to their account—it is No. 84,052, dated, 25th March, 1872. (This was one of the notes paid to Macdonnell on 28th January at the Bank, in exchange for gold.)

WILLIAM GARDNER . I am in the service of my father, a commission agent and diamond merchant, formerly of Leith Street, Edinburgh—in February last I was living at 14, Boxworth Grove, Richmond Road, Bamsbury—while there I received a letter from Mr. Eckford, a friend of mine, in consequence of which on 27th February I went to 17, St. James Place—I asked for Mr. Macdonnell—I was shown into a room on the ground floor and there saw Macdonnell—I showed him some diamonds—it was evening; after looking at them he desired me to call again next morning, which I did at 10 o'clock—he then bought one large diamond and three small ones for 300l.—he gave me in payment three 100l. Bank of England notes—I made out a bill, and gave him a receipt, this is it—I made a memorandum of the numbers of the notes, this is one of them, No. 95,691; and the others were 99,055 and 99,056—on this occasion Macdonnell showed me a dressing bag which he said had been presented to him—he asked me to call again in the afternoon as he had a friend there who would very likely buy some diamonds, I returned about 4 o'clock—I then saw George Bidwell, Macdonnell introduced him, but I forget the name—I showed him some diamonds—he looked at them, but did not buy any.

BENJAMIN NATHAN . I am a dealer in diamonds and precious stones, 218,

St. James Terrace, South Lambeth Road—on 24th August last I was at Messrs. Welby's shop in Garrick Street—I there saw George Bidwell, and sold him some diamonds for 63l. 10s., he gave the name of Mr. Charles Warren, Charing Cross Hotel—after that I had three appointments with him; I met him at several places, the Charing Cross Hotel, the Terminus Hotel, London Bridge, and Morley's Hotel—on 6th March I saw him in Messrs. Welby's shop, at 10. 30 in the morning, and we went from there together to Bibra's Hotel, St. Martin's Laue—I there sold him four diamond lockets, two pearl pins, one turquoise and parrot pin, in the shape of a parrot, a small gold keyless watch, and one fine gold Brazilian necklet, to hold three or four lockets; they came to 114l.—he paid me—he seemed a little excited after the business was done.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. I was asked to attend as a witness about a week ago—I saw George Bid well four times; Charles Warren was the name he gave me, and I went to the Charing Cross Hotel and asked for him by that name—he told me the name on 24th August, when I first met him in Long Acre in a public-house—these are my entries, made at the time.

JOHN HENRY WELBY . I am a wholesale diamond merchant in Garrick Street—I recognise Macdonnell and George Bidwell—I believe both of them were at my place in February last—I had seen them previously, towards the latter part of 1872, but no business was done then—Mr. Nathan was at my place on 6th March when George Bidwell was there; I knew him as Warren—he asked for diamonds—I showed him some, he selected 280l. worth, and paid me in Dutch bank notes—Mr. Nathan was not present at the time, he was in the office.

EDWARD FRANCIS GEDGE . I am an underwriter at the Royal Exchange Assurance Office—I know Macdonnell—he came to ray room on 24th February last, and asked whether we took insurances on bonds to New York—I said "Yes"—he had a bundle of American bonds in his hand, which he wished to insure; he gave me the value—I filled up the slip for him with the numbers of the bonds—this (produced) is the slip book—he called over to me the numbers of the bonds from the bonds themselves, and I filled them in on the slip—he said the policy was to bear the name of Edward Noyes Hills, London to New York, care of (blank) New York, registered letter—the amount of the insurance was 2, 100l.—he signed the slip "For Edward Noyes Hills, George Macdonnell"—I have the policy, it was never delivered out—it has the numbers of the bonds copied into it—on the following day he came again and asked me to do another insurance—he gave me the particulars upon a slip which I have here "Policy to be in the name of A. Biron Bidwell, New York; 32, 520 bonds, valued at 3, 600"—I have the slip he brought with the numbers of the bonds on it—he brought it ready written.

GEORGE PETER RICHARDSON . I am a clerk in the Royal Exchange Assurance Office—I was there on 25th February when Macdonnell came about the second policy—he asked me to keep the policy as he was going on the Continent for some time with Hills, the person named in the first policy.

ROBERT BOWLES . In April last year I was carrying on business as a banker, as Bowles Brothers—I never saw Austin Biron Bidwell.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I do not personally know all my customers, I cannot call to mind all their names, they are so numerous—my books would show the customers we have—I had not anything to do directly with the financial part—there were two managers, Mr. Keith and Mr. Seldon; I did the agency.

Re-examined. I never heard of Austin Biron Bid well, either as Bid well or Warren, banking with us.

HENRY HARRIS . I am counter manager to Messrs. Baum & Sons, money changers, 58, Lombard Street, City—I know George Bidwell by the name of Nicholl—on 30th November I first saw him; on that occasion I changed 400l. in bank notes for him into foreign money—on 21st January he gave me 1, 300l. in Bank of England notes, and I gave him 1, 220l. in French paper and gold—these are the bank notes, one 500l. and eight 100l., they have our stamps on them and are all entered in our books—on 24th January I saw a person who gave the name of Vosges, 28, George Street Manchester Square, and changed for him five 100l. notes into Dutch bank notes, that is 6,000 florins Dutch money—on 8th February I saw George Bidwell again—I knew him all along as Nicholl, he brought me 250l. in English gold, and I gave him Austrian and French money to the amount of 253l. in exchange—the balance remained over till Monday the 10th, when he brought 170l. in Bank of England notes, and I gave him in exchange for them foreign money to balance the account up—on the Friday before the Saturday that Noyes was taken, George Bidwell brought me two 100l. notes, and wanted to change them for English gold—he asked for light gold, as he wanted to give it to a friend who had paid him some light gold a few days before, and he wanted to pay him back in his own coin—it was the first thing in the morning and I was not able to give him the change as we had not commenced business—he came half an hour afterwards, and was still too early—I took him to our brokers, Messrs. Barclay, and left him to receive the gold, these (produced) are the notes.

JAMES ANSELL . I am a clerk in Barclay, Bevan & Co's bank—on Friday, 28th February, the last witness came with George Bidwell, the second prisoner from me, and changed two 100l. notes in his presence—I did not give him light gold.

HAROLD ANTHONY SMITH . I am a clerk at Messrs Baring's—on 29th January I received an application for a letter of credit in New York for 1,000l.—it was given at the request of E. N. Hales, in favour of J. W. Nixon, No. 13,083—Nixon was of New York, but that is not stated in the letter of credit—the person who wished for the letter of credit gave his adress Brighton—I asked him if that was sufficient, he said "Yes"—the letter of credit was paid for at the time—this is it (produced) and this is the draft contained under the letter of credit—it bears Nixon's signature—these notes (produced) are what I received in payment for the letter of credit.

JAMES SEARLE . I am a stock and share broker, of Bartholomew house, London—I know Macdonnell, he called on me and asked if we were members of the Stock Exchange, and stock and share brokers, I said yes, and asked his name, and to whom we were indebted for the introduction—he said that he knew no one in London, he had but lately arrived from abroad,. and was staying at Chislehurst and could give no introduction—he asked the prices of American Securities—I told him it was not our custom, in fact we never did business with anybody without an introduction—he said that he did not know it was necessary, but he wished to buy 10,000l. worth of bonds and would pay for them in bank notes or gold if necessary—we again declined to do the business, and he said that he would show us a letter of credit next day on Messrs Morgan, by way of introduction, and as I knew that Messrs. Morgan did not give letters without an introduction, I considered

that it was sufficient, we purchased the bonds, and be left us a 500l. Bank of England note as a deposit, and brought the balance next day in bank notes, of which I have got the numbers—we sent the notes over to the Bank of England and had them examined before we delivered the bonds, and on receiving the bonds he signed our book—on 1st March he came again, and said he wanted to invest, I think he said 20,000l., but he did not fix upon anything—this (produced) is a correct account of the bonds I delivered to him—the first lot was 50,000 dollars—this memorandum of the numbers of the notes he paid me is quite correct.

ALFRED JOSEPH BAKER . I am clerk to Jay Cooke, McCulloch & Co.—I know Austin Bidwell as F. A. Warren—I first saw him some time in May, 1872, and again in August, about the sale of some Portuguese Stockhe handed me some stock, and I handed it back again, and he gave me a receipt for it—I first saw Hills on 9th January this year, and again on the 10th, 20th, 25th, 27th, and February 4th, 5th, 10th, 12th, 13th, 21st, and 25th—on the 28th I received this letter from Noyes, requesting us to purchase 1,000 dollars for E. Noyes—I have gone through this account of the various purchases; it is correct—I have also an account of how the bonds were paid for, in a tabulated form, but it is not here.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I knew Austin Bidwell by the name of Warren; he made three purchases of bonds in May, and once in August, and twice in September; no, I think it was only once in September, but I saw him twice in September—there was not a purchase on 14th September; he paid for bonds on 13th—there was only one purchase in September 25,000—the purchase was made on the 13th; he had part on the 13th, and the rest on the 14th—he left the Portuguese bonds with me to sell, fixing a reserve price, and as I could not get that price I returned them to him—American bonds are purchased by Americans to a large extent; we put American bonds on the market to a large amount; 75,000,000 of dollars in the course of a year by our house alone—the transaction on 9th January was not with Austin Bidwell, but with Noyes—I had no transaction with Austin Bidwell after September, to my recollection, personally.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. We sold some bonds on 9th January—I did not notice who it was to particularly, but I had no transaction with anybody but Noyes, that I recollect—I am not certain that I saw Noyes and had transactions with him on the 9th, or not; the only time I speak with certainty to Noyes was on the 25th I think; all the subsequent transactions were with Noyes, and those I speak to with certainty—on one occasion he was going to refer to Horton, and I said "I thought you were Horton," and then he said he was Morton's clerk—I looked upon him as Horton's clerk, acting for Horton—I speak to Austin Bidwell as Warren; he came to me at all times in the day—he said they were going to have an office in the Poultry—there was nothing unusual to attact my attention in any way.

Re-examined. On 29th January he ordered 80,000 dollars, and left a cheque for them—this is the receipt for the Portuguese bonds (produced).

ALFRED LIDINQTON . I am chief cashier to Clewes, Habicht, & Co., American agents of Broad Street, City—I know George Bidwell under the name of W. J. Spaulding; he paid six 100l. Bank of England notes for some bonds—I saw him a few days after and received a small balance that was due to me—on 20th February he left three bills of exchange with me, and wished to know if they were good acceptances—I said if he left them I

would look into them and see—he left them and came again and brought some more, eight or ten altogether—these are them, but there was a bank post-bill, that I am not certain about, for 19l. 4s. 1d.—all the others I am certain of—when he came again I inquired if he had not a banking account in London or on the Continent—he said no, he had not at present—I said it was usual with bankers in London to leave bills for a few days for inquiry before they were discounted, and he left them with me that day—he called again a day or so after, and I asked him if he had not any address, and if he would sign his name in our signature-book—he signed his name "W. J. Spaulding, Brighton"—I said "Brighton is a large place, Mr. Spaulding, you must have some address there?"—he said No, Brighton was sufficient, and it would find him in letters or telegrams—I said "I presume you have property there?"—he said "No"—I saw Mr. Habicht, and declined to discount the bills—the Nos. of the notes were 84,054 to 84,059, six 100l. notes in consecutive numbers.

ALBERT JORDAN . I am a clerk to Clewes, Habicht & Co.—I was present when the bonds were purchased—these are three 1,000l. bonds purchased on that occasion, Nos. 21, 272, 21, 273, and 55, 118—I have a receipt, signed "J. Horton, per E. Noyes"—this is the receipt (produced).

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. On 5th February we received the order from Noyes—he told me he was Mr. Horton's clerk, and gave me a cheque on the Western Branch of the Bank, in favour of Horton and endorsed by Horton—he said he would leave the cheque to be cashed, and gave the Continental Bank as a reference—I went there with him, and he was identified as being in Mr. Horton's employment—I left him there, and took the cheque to the Western Branch, and it was paid—Noyes told me that Horton was an American merchant, staying at the London Bridge Terminus Hotel—the receipt is signed for Horton, per E. Noyes—I would not do business with him till he gave me a reference, and then he referred to the Continental Bank.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLET. It was my impression at the time that the person I knew as Spaulding was taller than George Bidwell, but I don't know whether I was right.

Re-examined. My moral conviction is that George Bidwell is Spaulding, but I am not positive.

HENRY WEST . I am clerk to Messrs. J. S. Morgan & Co., American merchants—I know George Macdonnell—he called at our place of business on 1st February, 1873, and brought a sum of 1, 280l.—he proposed to open an account with our house—I said that it was the usual practice to have a reference before we entertained them, and I think he produced on that occasion a letter from our Paris correspondent, and said "I have a letter from them"—I said "That is something, we will take the money and make further inquiries"—he deposited the sum of 1, 280l., 80l. in gold, and the rest in bank notes—he came again on 20th February, and said that he was about to return to America, and I paid him the deposit in a cheque on the London Joint Stock Bank for 1, 278l. 9s. 3d.; the difference was our charge for commission—this is his receipt for the money—it was signed by him when I gave him the cheque.

ALFRED JAMES GRIFFIN . I am a clerk in the London Joint Stock Bank—MESSRS. J. S. Morgan & Co. keep an account there—on 20th February I cashed this cheque for 1, 278l. 9s. 3d. over the counter—I paid it in twelve 100l. notes, Nos. 95, 680 to 91; one 50l. note, No. 27, 136; one 20l. note,

44, 613; one 5l. note, 19, 188; and 3l. 9s. 3d. in cash—these are a portion of the notes—there is a 100l. note missing, and the 5l. note—the number of the 100l. note that is missing is 95, 688.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. The numbers run consecutively, 95, 680 to 95, 691 inclusive—they come to us in a parcel from the Bank—we invariably count them through twice when we give them in payment, and we look to see that the numbers are consecutive—I won't swear that I have taken each individual note and looked at it—the notes are brought new from the Bank of England and put in our till, and we know by practice those notes that are consecutive—I have never heard of any mistake being made where they have not run consecutively—it is the general practice of bankers to put down the first and last numbers—I would not swear to whom I paid those notes—I remember the affair of the 300l. cheque at Dover; I heard about it—it was refused payment by the London and County Bank—their answer was that its endorsement was irregular, and it came back through the clearing-house with that answer on it.

Re-examined. I have no doubt whatever that the twelve 100l. notes were in consecutive numbers—the date of the payment of the cheque was 21st February.

THOMAS STRAKER . I am an engraver and printer, at 16, Ivy Lane, Paternoster Row—I know the firm of Nelson & Co., printers, by name—I did not know them till I was at the Mansion House—I know now that Mr. Chaloner is a partner in that firm—I knew the prisoner George Bid well by the name of Brooks—about 18th December he called and said he was recommended by Nelson's—he brought two copper plates with blank bill forms upon them and asked me if I worked from copper plate—I told him yes, and he told me that he was recommended from Nelson's, and he asked me what I would do him 500 for—one of the plates had the figure "1," and the other had the word "First"—he wanted the figure "1" transferred to the plate that had the word "First," and the other he wanted transferred to the other plate—I told him I could do it, and he asked me what I would do 500 copies for, and I told him 15s., but I said I could not get them done before Christmas—he said if I could get them done he would give me 5s. extra, and I said I would try—after he gave me instructions, he asked me to explain, that he might know that I understood his instructions—I did so, and he said "Very well, that will do"—the plates were left with me—on that occasion I had merely to transfer the different figures—I made up the stone from the plates and printed from the stone—some of those forms were ready the day before Christmas Day—I went out of town the morning before, and on my return I found that some of the forms had been delivered—I afterwards saw him and printed some forms with the word "Second," and some with the figure "2"—the forms had scrolls on them—he did not bring any scrolls at that time—the scrolls were engraved upon the plates—he came again at the end of December or the beginning of January—the order he gave then was merely to add something to the plate and print a few more—on one occasion I engraved for him on slips of copper some names of places—some of the names were engraved on the bill plates themselves, names of several countries, Hongkong, Cairo, Bombay, Valparaiso, Yokohama, and Alexandria—they were ordered at different times—some plates we made use of for several bills—I put some of those names into some of the bill forms—I also engraved on slips of copper the names of the Union Bank of London and the London

and Westminster Bank, and I also printed the names of the banks on the body of some of the bills—I remember on one occasion his bringing two plates with scrolls on them—these are the scrolls (produced), they are for making the ornamental part across the bill—I can't say what date he brought those—he brought four, but I tried to make use of two—I told him I would try what I could do with them—I transferred them to wood and found they were too black, and afterwards, instead of using those scrolls, he selected two patterns out of my pattern-book—I engraved the scrolls he selected on a separate piece of copper and transferred them to the bills—I engraved two bill plates for bill forms for him also, and printed bills from those plates, and inthe centre of the scroll on the bill forms I printed certain names—H. C. Streeter and T. Perkins were printed on the bills printed from the plates that he brought me—and the names, D. R. Howell and Juan Perez were printed in the scroll of the bills which I printed from the plates that I had made—in printing Juan Perez at first, I spelt the name wrong, "Jaun" instead of "Juan"—the prisoner was very cross about it, and I of course said I would alter the name and print them over again—I altered it and printed forms with the name properly spelt—the last time I saw him was about the 22nd or 23rd of February—I should say I saw him on an average about twice a week from the 18th December to that date—he said he was getting up samples for bills of exchange—he came on 22nd or 23rd February, and took all the forms away except these four blocks of the scrolls which I had not used—he took away everything else—he asked to look at some of the forms I had printed on the stone, and he wished me to show him the way to take them off the stone, and I got one of my apprentices to show him—the bill form on the stone was entirely effaced—that is done with snake stone—I told him afterwards that if he offered me 100l., I could not produce him another bill from that stone without retransferring it—he said that would do—he did not say why he wished the stone erased—these bills are all on forms printed by me—I can't say positively that this one of "Oppenheim & Co. "is mine, but I am pretty well sure because of the name; all the others I am certain of.

Cross-examined by MR. BBSLEY. From the copper plates I had a perfect form on the stone, and then the printing could be done in a day or two—I had not to wet the paper for the purpose—the bills with the name of "Streeter" on were all done at one time—I can't give you the date when they were done—Juan Perez was the last I did, because I made a mistake in the name—"Howell" was the one I did just before that; the order for those two was given at the same time—when I finished printing "Streeter's" bills, I obliterated that form, transferred another from the copper-plate, and went on printing another form and so on, till I got through the whole—I think it was about the 20th February that I ordered my apprentice to efface "Howell's" form from the stone; it may have been as late as the 23rd—"Juan Perez" was done after that alteration—no suspicion was excited in my mind at any time—these were mere blank bill forms when they left my hands, just as specimens shown by Messrs. Waterlow's to their customers.

Re-examined by MR. POLAND. I can't say how many forms I printed altogether—I should say about 100 copies.

WILLIAM MITCHELL . I am a die sinker and stamp cutter, of 29, Bell Alley, Moorgate Street; in November last my place of business was 91, Queen Street, Cheapside—on 20th November George Bidwell came and

ordered an endorsing stamp to stamp the names on bills of exchange and things of that sort; it was to have a handle to it, and I was to put on it "Sub-country man. "and "Secret" underneath the impression—the stamp on this bill (the subject of the indictment) is from the die I cut—the impression on this paper (found at Macdonnell's) is rather heavier than the one on the bill, and I do not recognise it as the same stamp.

Cross-examined by George Bidwell. I know that the impression on the bill is from the stamp I made, because I kept an impression of it, and forwarded it to Messrs. Freshfield, and they compared the impression with the one on the bill and found it to be the same—I recognise you by the usual means; I should be stupid if I did not recognise a man afterwards, especially if I looked at him two or three times as I did you—he had no the same appearance you have now, he had no whiskers and he had a moustache, curled at each end, in the French style—the words on the stamp are cut in very ordinary block letters—I have little doubt that some letters could be printed like this, with type of the same size, which could be procured at any printing office or type founder's—we can do anything in type—I should say it is impossible that you could fit up words with exactly the same dimensions, without having my stamp to go by; I mean as to the relative distance of the words—if the person to whom I gave the stamp had lost it, or given it to another person, he could have another made exactly like it, but he would have to have something to guide him as to the relative size and distance, or else the two impressions would not be the same—any other engraver could engrave or set up a stamp exactly like the one I cut, if he had this bill, or one of the thousands of other bills the Bank issues.

GEORGE BOULE CHALLONER . I was a member of the late firm of Nelson & Co., of 66 and 57, Oxford Arms Passage, Warwick Lane, Paternoster Row—I know George Bidwell, the second prisoner from the Jury—I first saw him on 9th December last—he gave no name or address—he wanted an electro plate to be set up in type—I was to put German words in it—I do not recollect them now—he gave me this written paper (produced)—the writing is in pencil—I afterwards fastened it on this larger sheet—there were no particular instructions about mounting it, or for a handle, but I gave instructions for it to be mounted—he paid 2s. on account—I did as he directed, and mounted the plate on a piece of wood, and then took this impression (produced) from it, with the words "electro mounted" on it—I wrote those words at the time I sent the proof to the foundry—that is the order for casting—it was set up "tur," and altered to "tun," the "t" should have been an "f," and the copy was closely followed—"r" was set up first, and altered to "n"—after I heard of this case I got back the proof from the foundry—I also found the original paper that George Bidwell produced, and have it here—he called in a few days, and I delivered the stamp to him—he asked me for a small portion of printing ink, and I supplied it, also a brass rule with which lines are printed—I charged 2s. for the stamp and 4 1/2 d. for the ink and rule, and he took them away—I did not know his name and address then—on 18th January he came again, and brought me four forms of bills of exchange—he wished me to imitate them as well as I could with type—he selected the type—one form was executed, he corrected the proof and fifty copies of it were printed—the bill forms he brought were left with me—this one is headed "Callao," this other is the one that was executed, and a proof of it is underneath it—I set up another of the bill forms, the one

with "Callao" on it, but I only delivered a few proofs to him—he selected six scrolls from my specimen-book, they were procured from the founder's, and he took four of the six away with him—those are the four that were shown to Mr. Straker—he called at various times until nearly the end of February—he showed me some forms of bills in December—I said that they were lithographed—he then asked me if I knew a lithographer in the neighbourhood, and having seen Mr. Thomas Straker's name, of Ivy Lane, I mentioned it—he did not tell me afterwards whether he had been to him—on 28th January, the day he brought the forms of bills, he paid a sovereign on account—I inquired what name I should enter in my book, and he took this small slip of paper, which was lying on my desk, and wrote on it "J. R. Nelson"—I afterwards found it and gave it up—I asked his address, he said he was staying at Brighton—I find endorsed on all these bills (Including the one charged in the indictment) an impression of the German stamp which I cut for George Bidwell—I do not understand German—the stamp on this bill (For 900l. on Blydenstein, dated 9th January) appears to bear exactly the same device in the corner as the one I printed for George Bidwell, with a little difference in the colour, but it is not filled up on one of my forms—the device is identical with that on the bill brought to us to copy the print from.

Cross-examined by George Bidwell. My place of business is not far from Straker's in Ivy Lane—you gave the name of Nelson—Straker says that his customer gave the name of Brooks, and said that he was recommended by me—I cannot say whether it is likely that you would give another name to my near neighbour, I can only state the fact—I first saw you after your arrest when you came into the dock at the Mansion House—the impressions on these bills are so like that even a mistake is imitated if it is an imitation—it does not appear to me to be an imitation at all, but to be an impression from the bills—I set it up, but, not knowing German, I did not know that it was wrong—it was set up from the copy, as near as we could discover, and from type procurable at any printing-office—I have not seen any of the forged bills on forms like the blanks I printed—I have no doubt about the endorsements being from my stamp.

WILLIAM CHESHIRE . I am an engraver, at 42, Paternoster Row—I know George Bidwell—I saw him between December and February—he came to my shop first in December, and gave an order for some lettering of the names of various Continental towns; he wished them done in some fancy kind of lettering, Amsterdam, Lubeck, Bremen, Hamburg, and others—when an order of that kind is given it is usual to have a drawing—one was prepared on that occasion, and inspected by George Bidwell—they were afterwards engraved—he called himself and took the blocks away with him, paying for them at the same time—he did not give any name; we were obliged to call him by some name, and the assistants in the office gave him the name of "Von," owing to the German accent that he had—this book contains impressions from the stamps I cut for him—there are twenty-five names in all here—I have examined this list of bills carefully, and my stamp has been used on some part of these bills.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I can't tell you the date at which all the models were cut—my book does not show in every case when the order was received and executed—they were trivial orders, and were not always booked at the time—the last order was taken on 18th February, and executed immediately—this date, "11th February" in the book, is part of an order—I can't tell you when I received that order.

Cross-examined by George Bidwell. On the bill No. 1, 662 the words I cut are "11th Feb., 1873"—they were engraved by me—also the words "Sub Countryman.," and the word "Secret."—I believe I swore at the Mansion House to having cut those words—I don't think my attention was called to any special words, it was called generally to all the impressions of which that was one—the words are so exactly like those I cut that I have come to the conclusion they must have been taken from the blocks engraved by me—another engraver certainly could do one exactly like it, but I think it would be possible to detect the difference in some little particular or other—I saw you first after your arrest at the Mansion House, down stairs—there were no other prisoners present—I recognised you directly, my only remark was that you looked very ill, which you did at that time—you were different, you had been unshaven for some days, but I recognised you in a moment—your dress was not the same, nor your hat—your personal appearance was the same, your dress and surroundings were different—that was four months after I had seen you at my office—it was quite at the close of the examination at the Mansion House that I was brought as a witness—I read in the papers that the prisoners were arrested, and were to be brought up at the Mansion House, and as soon as I finished dinner I went to see if I could see them—the examination was over, and I saw you down stairs—I had communicated with the police considerably before that, and given a written description—I have not had any conversation with Mr. Challoner on the subject—I did not show him my book of samples—I should have known you if you had been put amongst other persons.

Re-examined. The prisoner George Bidwell was in my office perhaps twice in a week, and perhaps not for a fortnight—altogether, I have seen him half-a-dozen times, probably—the first order was the 9th December, and the last the 18th February—I have not the slightest doubt that he is the man.

JAMES DALTON (Interpreted, being totally deaf). I am an engraver and wood cutter, at 21, Paternoster Row, of the firm of Carter & Dalton—I saw George Bidwell during last November, and on 4th December he called and showed me two pieces of paper with scrolls printed on them—"Rayner & Co. "was on one—on 7th December I got an order from him for the words "London and Westminster Bank," and some Dutch lettering—on the 9th he gave me an order for lettering "Hamburg Banking Co."—I should recognise the impression from my stamp if I saw it—this bill was taken from one of my blocks with a piece cut off the end—(This was the bill indicted upon)—they have cut away part of the word "bank," and left only "London & Westminster B."—part of the "A" remains to imitate a full stop—on 17th December I got an order for an acceptance "Messrs. Smith, Payne & Smith"—there was another on the 16th—this is the impression—this is a proof taken from the block before I gave it up to George Bidwell—from time to time he gave me pieces of paper to copy from—the prisoner communicated with me on slips of paper when he came, sometimes with a pencil and sometimes with a pen—these are the original copies given by the prisoner for me to engrave from—they were torn up by the prisoner and thrown on the floor and afterwards found—after this case began, we looked and found those pieces—there is one written in German, "Ich will bald mehr haben"—that is a copy for some of the work done—he told me to read the German letters one by one to prevent a mistake—he wrote in

English afterwards "I will have more soon," as I did not understand the German manuscript letters—the prisoner gave me a piece of tracing paper with "Fréres Bruderer" on it; it was done very badly, and I made another tracing of it from the model brought by the prisoner—the order for the Dutch lettering on 7th of December I gave up to a person named Evans to do—I have gone through the list of stamps I executed, and compared them with the bills—the list is correct—I went over it with Mr. Stevenson.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I can fix the date when all these things were done except two.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. The block of "Smith, Payne & Smith" was cut in such a bad way that any schoolboy ought to be able to write it; it ought to have been cut on brass, but being on wood it was difficult to imitate—I can also recognise this one of the "Union Bank" and some of the oval stamps that are on the face of the bills, and also the German lettering—the fact is they ought all to have been out on brass, the general character was so bad—the lettering on bill 1662 might be from one of my stamps, but it does not look like it—I have done a great many like this one, "11th Feb., 1873," for the prisoner—I cut a great many numbers, but they were all separate—the dates and numbers running all through the month—at the Mansion House it was my belief that the other part of the acceptance on the bill 1662, except the words "by us for the" and "Subcountry Manager and Secretary," was cut by me—I cut "December, January, and February" like that which Mr. Cheshire has done, and numbers similar to that.

Re-examined. This is a copy of the order I gave to Mr. Evans.

HENRY GEORGE EVANS . I am a wood engraver, at 4, New Court, Farringdon Street—I work for Mr. Dalton—about 7th of December last he called and brought two slips of paper—this is a proof that I took myself from one of the blocks that I cut—of the two slips of paper he brought, one of them was a tracing in pencil, and the other side was written in black ink—I made a block by his orders, and that is the impression from it—I have examined this list of bills and it is correct.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I received two orders from Mr. Dalton at the same time.

GEORGE EDWARD RUSSELL . I am now at Messrs. Hunt and Roskell's, in Bond Street; in September last year I was in the employ of Messrs. Wyon, engravers, of Regent Street—I know George Bidwell, he came to Wyon's first the latter end of August, he gave me an order for some address cards in the name of "George Bidwell"—the order was passed on by me to Mr. Eaton, the clerk who attended to that department—he afterwards brought a seal to be engraved—he first asked to have the monogram engraved on it, and finally decided to have some arms as well—he requested me to search in our heraldic works, and see if I could find the name of Bidwell; he claimed to be descended from the English family of that name—I traced the name of Bidwell—I found several, and read the description over to him, and he selected one, and instructed me to engrave those arms on the seal, and we were to make a painting on vellum—he gave me two addresses, No. 1, Langham Street, and the address I was to send the engraved seal to was Hotel de 1'Europe, Havre—I afterwards received a letter from him from abroad—I received three letters relating to the matter, also the receipt for the registration of the seal sent to him—the 13th September was the first one this is it; it is signed "George Bidwell." "Grande Hotel de

Paris, Trouville. Gentlemen,—I shall be here for some days; you may forward me the seal by mail to this hotel, and oblige. P. S.—Incase you have already sent it to Havre it will reach me all right"—I handed the seal to our workman to be engraved, and the arms were printed as well—this is a part of the seal we engraved; the monogram is on one side and the coat of arms on the other—I don't think any drawing was made—we received another on 17th September, and sent them off to him as requested in that letter—we sent them in a registered letter, and received this letter acknowledging the receipt—(Read: "October 22nd, 1872. Gentlemen,—I should have acknowledged the receipt of the box with seal before, but forgot to do so. Will you please forward to me, Hotel Russia, a dozen sheets of the paper and envelopes, or all if there is a good mode of conveyance; though the most I shall require at present will be a small quantity. I shall call on you on my return in a few weeks.")—He did call on his return—I don't remember the date.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. I was not examined at the Mansion House—I was first asked to be a witness last Wednesday.

WILLIAM STRAKER (re-examined). Since I was examined I have discovered amongst the waste-paper a spoiled proof of the mistake I made in spelling the word "Juan"—I produce it—the paper I used is what is called loan paper: it is hand-made; there is no other peculiarity about it—of course, if I engrave a plate my work may be copied.

JONATHAN POPE (City Policeman). On Saturday, 1st March, Hills was given into my custody at the Continental Bank—I told him that he was given into custody on a charge of fraud upon the Bank of Englandhe said, "You have no right to take me without a warrant; where is your warrant?"—I told him it required no warrant, as he was given into custody, and he must accompany me to the police-station, Bow Lane—on the road there, he said "What ever is the matter, you had better take me to Mr. Horton's, in Cannon Street"—I asked him where Mr. Horton's rooms were—he said "At the Cannon Street Hotel; you had better take me there, and he will make all things right"—I told him he must go to the station, and we should communicate with Horton there—I took him to Bow Lane Station and searched him—I found on him this 100l. note, and a cheque for 100: (This was dated 1st March, 1873, drawn by C. J. Hortony payable to self or order. Endorsed "C. J. Horton") I also found on him this case, containing a number of papers, and this pocket-book—I took possession of them at the time, and afterwards handed them to Sergeant Spittle in the same state.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. That was about 11 o'clock in the morning; I believe he was transacting business at the bank at the time—I found him at the counter.

JOHN SPITTLE (City Police Sergeant.) I was at the station on 1st March, shortly after Hills was brought there—some time after, at the Mansion House, I said to him "Mr. Noyes, at the police-station you gave your address as Durrant's Hotel, Manchester Square; that is false, as you have left there these three weeks; the last meal you had there was on the 4th of last month; will you give me your correct address?"—he said "Who are you?"—I said "I belong to the police, now will you give it me?"—he said "No, I have no settled address, I have been stopping at different places!"—I said "Will you say where you slept last night?"—he said "No, after the manner I have been treated; if I had an opportunity I might be able to

find Horton"—he was then charged in the name of Noyes, and examined before the Lord Mayor—when I gave my evidence he said the reason he gave the address at Durrant's Hotel was that he was directed to do so by Horton, who told him that he should go back there—he was remanded for a week—I was then requested by his Counsel, Dr. Kenealy, to produce certain papers, the bill-case, and the papers, an agreement and some letters, and the pocket-book I had received from Pope—on Thursday, 6th March, I went to Euston Square Station about 8.30 in the evening—I followed Miss Vernon there—she went away, and in a few minutes returned with a man named Meunier, who was carrying a leathern bag, containing something heavy—I took them both into custody on the charge of the unlawful possession of the bag—I examined the bag; it contained 2, 715l. 10s. in gold—I took them before the Lord Mayor; they were remanded for a week and then discharged, and Miss Vernon was at once examined as a witness—I did not see anything of George Bidwell at the station—on 2nd April I went to Edinburgh, and saw George Bid well there on the 3rd; he was at the police-station, in custody—I addressed him as George Bid well, and told him that I belonged to the police, and also Sergeant Smith, who was with me, that I held a warrant for his apprehension, issued by the Lord Mayor of London, and that I would read it to him, which I did—it was for being concerned with Noyes, Warren, and Macdonnell in feloniously forging and uttering two bills of exchange in February last—he said "Political, anything political; are you sure there is nothing political about it?"—I said "No, I am sure the Lord Mayor of London granted this warrant, upon sworn depositions"—I further told him that he would have to come with Smith and me to London, and we soon after left with him—as we were coming up to London, he said "I suppose the man Noyes in custody is a person I know by the name of Howe; he was introduced to me in that name"—he said he thought so from what he had read in the newspapers—he further asked me what I had done with the luggage I had taken from Nellie—I told him I had given her what she claimed as hers, and still held the rest—he asked me the number of boxes and trunks there—I said I could not remember—I said "Are you a naturalised American—he said "Excuse me, I would rather not answer questions"—I said "Very well"—when he was at the police-station at Edinburgh he spoke like a Continental person; a person accustomed to speak French or Italian, but knew very little English—at the Mansion House he spoke just as he has done to-day—I heard the Inspector ask him his name—he said "I would rather not give my name now; I wish to see my solicitor"—he gave his address, "Cumberland Street, Edinburgh," but he said he did not know the number—I produce a copy of the Daily Telegraph containing Hill's advertisement about the situation; it appeared in the paper from 6th to 11th January.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. I only produce one newspaper, but the advertisement was inserted six times—(Read: "A gentleman of active business habits seeks a situation of trustor partnership; address particulars, Edwin Noyes, Durrant's Hotel, Manchester Square.")—I have seen and produce the letters received at the hotel in answer to that advertisement—I have read them—I have no doubt they are letters in answer to that advertisement.

MR. POLAND put in the papers found upon Hills, the slip of paper having on it, "Messrs. J. and S. K. S. & Co., drawn by B. B. & Co., 6541 1/2;" a number of blank credit-slips of the Continental Bank, some blank envelopes

addressed to E. Noyes, Esq., Terminus Hotel, L. B.; a stock and share list; an agreement dated 11th January, 1873, between C. J. Horton and Edwin Noyes, by which Noyes was, upon payment of 300l., to be engaged as clerk and manager to Horton, at a salary of 150l. a year; a receipt from Horton for the 300l.; an envelope of Jay Cooke, McCulloch & Co., with "C. J. Horton" upon it; a memorandum "Can supply 2, 200 thal.; shall we get them;" and a number of entries in the pocket-book.

ANN LAVEROOK . I am the wife of William Laverock, of 22, Cumberland Street, Edinburgh—I occasionally let lodgings—on 11th March last, George Bidwell called and took a room of me; a sitting-room fronting the street—he gave the name of Couton—he brought with him a portmanteau—he said he had come from Rotterdam—he said he had been sea-sick in crossing—he asked if I had any French or German lodgers—I asked if he was a French gentleman—he said no, his parentage was French—he stayed with me till 2nd April.

DAVID FERGUSON . I am a detective officer of the Edinburgh police—on Wednesday, 2nd April, in consequence of instructions, I went to Mrs. Laverock's and searched the front parlour—I found a number of articles of jewellery and some letters, which I took to the Police Court and handed over—I saw George Bidwell that day at the office of Gibson, Craig, & Co.—I searched him, and found on him a quantity of jewellery, diamonds, and money—at his lodging I found this letter, containing a slip of paper. (This was addressed, "Mr. Joseph B. Bidwell, attorney, &c., South Bend, Ind., U. S. A. "There is a letter addressed to my wife's maiden name in full at your post-office; get and open") I have not got the telegraphic slip; I took it to the Post Office authorities, and got a telegram instead of it.

MICHAEL HAYDON (City Police Sergeant). I went out to Havannah and saw Austin Bidwell there on 13th April; he was given into the custody of myself and Sergeant Green—I found on him six American bonds of 1,000 dollars each, two for 500, one for 100, 18l. in gold, two 5-franc gold pieces, three diamond studs, a pair of gold and amethyst sleeve links, a gold watch, a gold chain, and a seal—before I went out to Havannah, I searched Macdonnell's luggage, and amongst it found this paper—(Read: "To George Macdonnell, Esq., Edwards' Hotel, Maddox Street, Hanover Square, London. Sunday, 9th, 1872. My dear George,—Ada arrived only at 3 o'clock. I could not get off last night, but leave at 8 to-night 'I anticipate a beautiful time; only wish that you, too, and some other fair one was along. Accept my thanks for your special kindness in this matter. Recd, your teleg. about the balance, I am of course delighted. I do long to soon see you again, as I scarcely know of a thing that would delight me more. I write in great haste, and if I do not write again believe me to be always yours, affectionately and truly, Austin.")

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I did not find these things myself in the possession of Austin Bidwell—I did not see them in his possession at all; I got them from the acting Vice-Consul, Mr. Crawford—they were at the Vice-Consulate until they were given to me on 8th May—Austin Bidwell was taken into custody, I think, on the 13th or 14th February—I don't think Mr. Crawford is here.

Re-examined. These things were handed over with Austin Bidwell to me to bring to this country—I showed them to Austin Bidwell the same day I received them, and he said they were quite correct.

SAMUEL WILSON ROBINSON . I live in the neighbourhood of Glasgow—

last May I took a voyage to South America on board the Lusitania—Austin Bidwell, Macdonnell, and George Bid well were passengers—I knew Austin Bidwell as Henry Amadown, Macdonnell as Gregory Morrison, and George Bidwell as Gilmore—before we arrived at Rio, it was determined to present a letter of thanks to the captain for his conduct during the voyage—George Bidwell wrote it—this is it—I saw him write it.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. After the voyage was over, Austin Bidwell gave me his card with "Biron Bidwell" on it—I was not examined at the Mansion House—I gave my evidence to the prosecution on the Tuesday before this case commenced—they came to me at Patrick—they showed me a photograph—it was not a policeman, it was Mr. McKenzie, a clerk to Gibson, Craig, & Co., of Edinburgh.

Re-examined. The voyage took about eighteen or twenty days; it was from Liverpool—I saw the prisoners every day while they were on board, and I saw them after we left Rio and came back again—I have not the least doubt they are the three persons who were my fellow-passengers.

CHARLES PATEY . I am a clerk in the Telegraph Department of the Post Office—I produce some original telegrams; I got them from the head office.

ANNA SHIMECH . I was formerly servant at the Rheinisher Kaiser, at Vienna—I know Macdonnell and George Bidwell—I saw them in October last—Maodonnell then appeared to be very ill, and used crutches.

CHARLES CHABOT . I am a lithographer, and have made handwriting my study—I have examined all these documents alleged to be in the writing of Austin Bidwell—and the signature books of the Bank of England, Western Branch, and of the Continental Bank; also the signature at the tailors, Messrs Green, also a letter signed "Daisy;" the endorsement "F. A. Warren" on this bill (The one charged in the indictment) is in the same writing as the signature "F. A. Warren" on the documents just produced—these three bills contained in the letter of 1st January are in the same writing, and they are endorsed "F. A. Warren"—the signature of the letter enclosing them I believe to be in his writing—I have no doubt that the whole of the letters (Found in Audin Bidwell's trunk) are in Austin Bidwell's writing—this letter and envelope (dated 9th January) is in Austin Bidwell's writing; also the signature to all these eleven cheques on the Bank of England; also both of these letters (produced)—I have seen this letter written on a round robin, and these insurance accounts, the figures in the insurance accounts are all I know of—I have examined Macdonnell's signature to this document dated 20th February—I have formed a judgment upon it, and I have no doubt whatever that the body of the bill which is the subject of this indictment is Macdonnell's writing—both the first and the second bills, and the signature "H. C. Streeter" which appears in both documents, in fact the whole of the front of the bill and the signature, and I have no doubt whatever that the endorsement is Austin Bidwell's writing—these eight other bills, alleged to be forged, are in the same writing, Macdonnell's, both the signatures and the bodies—Streeter is supposed to be the drawer of all of them, and the endorsement is Macdonnell's writing—this letter, dated "Londres, 19th November, 1872," purports to be signed by Warren, but I do not recognise it and give no opinion about it—this bill, dated 19th November, 1872, is in Macdonnell's writing; I say nothingabout the signature—I have seen all these letters produced by Helen Vernon, but they do not all contain the admitted writing of George Bidwell—the endorsement "H. S. Spaulding" to this bill

(produced) is in George Bidwell's writing, without a doubt, and both these bills (produced) and the signatures are in George Bidwell's writing—these letters, beginning on 24th January, down to 27th February, purporting to come from Birmingham, and signed "F. A. Warren," purporting to contain bills of exchange, and giving lists of bills of exchange to be discounted, are in George Bidwell's writing, signatures and all, except the letter signed by Colonel Francis, and dated Burlington Gardens—the bodies of these cheques on the Bank of England, Western Branch, are in George Bidwell's writing, and the signature in Austin Bidwell's writing—the endorsements are for the most part Macdonnell's—these three letters are without any doubt George Bidwell's writing (One of these was the letter about the trunk), all except the note at the foot, I do not know whose writing that is—these American letters are all in George Bidwell's writing—this letter beginning "Dear Brother Johnny," is in Noyes Hill's writing, without any doubt—and the filling up of the bodies of the cheques on the Continental Bank is Hills, without any doubt whatever—this telegram from Spaulding to Edwin Hills, New York, December 2nd, 1872, is undoubtedly in George Bidwell's writing—(Read: "Come Wednesday steamer without fail Answer.")—The next is from Macdonnell to E. N. Hills, St. Denis Hotel, New York, August 1st, 1872: "Send letters back, have written answer."—This telegram from George to Mrs. Le Grand, Brooklyn, is in Macdonnell's writing—this telegram, "Harry to Bid well," on 30th January, is Macdonnell's writing—(Read: "West Strand, January 30th, 1873. From Harry to Bidwell, Hotel Victoria, Weisbaden. Buy immediately several small London sight in Frankfort. Mac's address, Edward's Hotel, Maddox Street; name of sender, H. Bedford, 26, Grosvenor Square."—that is in Macdonnell's handwriting—on 31st January there is one from Harry to Aldrich, Hotel Hollande, Frankfort-on-Main—that is also in Macdonnell's handwriting: "Telegraph to day, Weisbaden. Enquire for letters at Lord Warden, Dover, Sunday. Send letter for Daisy; Answer."—I have one of 28th February in George Bidwell's handwriting:—"From Bidwell to Biron Bidwell, Poste Restante, Havannah."—the address, "Rev. Chas. Hills, Springfield, &c," to the roll of bills is in Noyes' handwriting.

Cross-examined by MR. MCINTYRE. I have not had the assistance of any other expert in handwriting in examining these documents—I never had the assistance of another expert in my life—Mr. Netherclift never assisted me in his life—when I have been called to prove the handwriting of a person he has not, as a rule, been called on the other side to prove it is not—that is very seldom indeed the case, and only in difficult cases, I mean in the matter of a mere signature, when perhaps it will be a mere matter of opinion—I can't say that I have ever seen these persons write, I base my judgment upon having examined certain documents which have been proved by the witnesses to be in the handwriting of Austin Bid well—I have examined the admitted handwriting till I have become fully acquainted with it, and then I compare that with the handwriting in dispute—I saw the signature in the signature book and a number of other signatures—the whole of this letter of 28th December is undoubtedly in Austin Bidwell's handwriting—the body of the letter of 21st January, addressed to Colonel Francis, is in George Bidwell's writing, without doubt—the signature is Austin's—it is very possible that it was written with the same ink—I can't say that it was not—I should say it had been written afterwards, and blotted

some little time after—it is my opinion it was nearly dry when it was blotted, it may have been written tea minutes after or immediately afterwards—it might be written by a fresh dip of ink, and fifty other things might be—the signature is quite in the right place, where you would expect it to be if the man had written the whole of the letter, the words "Yours very truly" rise one beyond the other, but the signature, "F. A. Warren," is quite straight, so it does not look like the same hand—I should Bay the signature was written with rather a free hand—I say that the bodies of these cheques are in the handwriting of George Bidwell, and the signature is Austin's—they are very excellent signatures, written in a manner so as to be sure not to be returned, and all written at one sitting, in my opinion—they would infallibly be received at the Bank, I should say—signatures might be traced so that the forms of the letters would be the same, but the tracing would have the appearance of the tracing at the back of some of the forged bills—a lame, crawling line—I don't know in whose writing the initials F. A. W. is, to the cheques altered from order to bearer—in my opinion they are not Austin Bidwell's—there is only the word "Bear" on the cheque of 27th February—I don't know whose writing that is, nor the initials, but I don't think they are Austin's—there is another cheque on the 27th, with the letter "B" and part of the letter "E," and the final "er"—I believe those letters are in George Bidwell's writing; it seems to me they are written by the same person who wrote the body of the cheque, but trifles like these I have put on one side—I don't know in whose writing the two names "C. J. Horton" and "C. J. Heorton" are—I don't recognise Austin Bidwell's hand in them; who wrote them I can't tell—the endorsements "F. A. Warren" on some of the bills are written by Austin, and some are not—I have seen 140 bills; most of them, if not all, have the signatures of Warren on the back—some of them I believe to be in Austin's writing, and in a large majority I can't recognise the signatures—I can't tell you how many of the signatures are his in my opinion—I say that Streeter's bill, the subject of this indictment, is certainly not a tracing—it is a very fair signature, a signature that would be sure to be honoured—the signatures "Horton" to the cheques on the Continental Bank have been all written at one time, and are the careful signatures of Austin—comparing them with the signatures on the credit-notes and other signatures, I say they are written by the same person—in this respect they are not like them; one is a very careful signature and the other is a careless signature—I have compared them with the more careful signatures—I am prepared to say that in my opinion the signatures to the cheques are in the writing of Austin; to the best of my belief they are—I can't distinguish them from his genuine signatures; there is only this difference, they seem to be written with particular care—they are particularly good signatures, so far that they have given me a great deal of trouble—if you select these two, there is the very worst signature of "Horton" and one of the very best—if they had been put before me to compare, I should hesitate to give an opinion, and say they were not written by one person—here are two signatures that are written by one person; that is credit-slip "Austin Bidwell," 24, and credit "Austin Bidwell," 30—if those signatures had been put before me, and I were asked whether they were written by one and the same person (mind, I know that they are), I should say I would give no opinion—if I were pressed, I should say I have come to no opinion—I can't give an opinion unless I form one—I only give opinions when I feel convinced, and that would be a case in

which I would not say they were in the handwriting of the same person, although they are—I should not be able to form a judgment.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. In a case in the Probate Court I once swore that the signature of a testatrix was a forgery, and the jury found afterwards that it was a genuine signature, but the Judge certified that there were grounds for a new trial, and it is not settled—I have never admitted that it was not a forgery—I don't remember such a thing in my life; you are asking me whether I have made a mistake, and I ask you by what I am to judge; you tell me a jury found a verdict against me; I am telling you that the case has to be tried again, and further when juries have found verdicts against me and the case has been tried again, their verdict has always been reversed—there have not been many cases—I do not know where Mr. Netherclift is; he has differed from me in opinion, perhaps, in one case in sixty or seventy in which we have been employed—I say that this document is in Noyes' writing, from the peculiar termination of the letter "a," and from the Greek form of the letter "C" in "Charles" and in "Massachusetts"—I was a long time coming to that conclusion, because I am cautious, and had not seen it for some time—I could find letters there to correspond with Macdonnell's writing, but not in a satisfactory manner; not in a manner to induce me to form an opinion—I have not compared it with Macdonnell's writing.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. The letter was not placed in my hands one evening on the arrival of Mr. Peter Williams from New York, but I was examined at the Mansion House next day—I speak to George Bidwell's writing to all these letters positively—there are one or two specialities in it, such as the spelling of the word telegram with two "1's," which is the way George Bidwell spells it, but it was from the general character that I spoke to it; I had not sufficient time to look into it—I had had much longer than a quarter of an hour—I took them home with me—I was positive after I had seen the letters—I must have seen them more than half-an-hour at Mr. Freshfield's before I took them away—I think I was two or three hours in his office on this business and going to the Bank of England, and I think I am speaking within compass when I say I saw it for three-quarters of an hour—I am speaking of the letter from New York and one letter of Noyes Hills'—some of these letters are in George Bidwell's writing, and there are two from Edinburgh—I had seen the Birmingham letters as long ago as 21st March, and for three weeks at a time—no one would suppose that the signature and the bodies are in the same writing; one is signed by Austin Bidwell, and the other is not, if I mistake not.

Re-examined. I have been engaged in these studies eighteen or twenty years, and have been examined on a great many trials.

JOSEPH BAKER (re-examined). I have gone through the list of the bonds, and the payments made in respect of them—it accurately shows the bonds and the mode in which they were paid for.

CHARLES ANTHONY PYE . I am a cashier in the Bank of England, Western Branch—on 17th January, 1873, I paid a cheque of Warren's for 1, 500l. over the counter; I gave in payment one 500l. note, No. 38, 420, March 16th, 1872, and ten 100l. notes, dated 25th March, 1872, numbered 70, 121 to 70, 127, 70, 129, and 70, 130.

PETER STEIN MA YR . I am a waiter at the City Terminus Hotel, Cannon Street Station—I know Hills, he used room No. 8 there from 30th January to 28th February, in the name of Horton; it was a private sitting-room

—he used to come there three or four times a week for about half an hour—the room was never formally given up—I heard that he had been taken in custody—there were no business books there or any signs of business.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. The room was engaged at the offices in the name of Horton, I don't know who by—Mr. Spence is the proprietor of the hotel, he is not here—Mr. Gearing is the clerk—I do not know with whom the engagement was made—I have seen Noyes in the room, and I have seen visitors there—I supposed that his name was Horton, I knew him by that name—letters did not come, to my knowledge, addressed to Noyes—I have never seen anybody else who represented himself as Horton—I have seen gentlemen go into the room, but he never was in the room more than half an hour at a time—when I speak of Horton I mean the prisoner Noyes—he has engaged a messenger himself once or twice, but not from the hotel—I only know by the entry in the books for what period the room was engaged—the entry was not made by me, the book is not here.

(The documents previously put in were read, viz., a letter of credit for 1,000l. on Baring Brothers, in favour of W, Nixon, sent to New York and numbered 13,083, attached to which was a bill for 1,0001. at thirty days' sight; also letters from George Macdonnell at Vienna, dated October 7th, 1872, and from Austin Bidwell, Mor ley's Hotel, London. November 14th, 1872, and December 10th, 1872, to Messrs Drexel, Harjes, & Co., of Paris, requesting them to forward any letters, and enclosing money for the postage; also Messrs, Drexel's replies of 22nd November and 16th December, 1872, stating that they had forwarded letters to Frankfort-on-the-Main, Amsterdam, and to Morley's Hotel; also the following letters:—"London, Jan. 29, 1873. Dear Bro. Johnnie,—I have this day registered a letter to you, via John W. Nixon, of Naval Office Custom House, New York City, containing 1,000l. sterling, which you will collect to the best advantage. The bankers will charge from 1l. 8 to 1/4 per cent, for collection. There is a premium on London Exchange. Before collecting it, post yourself as to Exchange so that they will not charge you exorbitant rates. On it you will get two premiums London Exchange and premium on gold in greenbacks. I think it will amount to about 5, 500 dollars. I can't tell exactly, but do the best you can. After you collect it, carry 1, 400 over to Charles to pay Smith 750, and also he will pay that bond of 600, that father owes Henry Kennedy for that woodland. The bond is endorsed by John Maclean, so you will see that Kennedy will sicken of the prospect of getting a hold of our homestead. The bond in Pratt Street let remain until my return. Take 250 dollars yourself to buy your wife a 150 dollar sewing machine, a suit of nice clothes for yourself, cotton cloth out of which Leiz. will make for herself and mother under garments, &c, as a present from me. Don't let Cos Jul or anyone know but that you bought them yourself. Also deduct your and Leiz. expenses to go to Springfield and out home. Also hand Robert Chapman 50 dollars if he should want it (I offered to lend him it). Take a receipt for it to pay to father when he can if I am not at home. The ballance you may place to my account in the First National Bank, Hartford, subject to be drawn by Leiz. in case of death to me or accident or long absence of six months. Make it draw interest. If they will not give interest put it into the Etna Bank. Hall will introduce you. Say nothing to no one as to my whereabout, not even Chas. I am trying to persuade a friend of mine, an English gentleman to go to America and enter business. If I succeed, it

will perhaps throw us together. It is not certain when I shall return to America. These Englishmen are such sticklers for country, it is hard to start them. I confess that I am beginning to like to stay in Europe. More anon next time. Yours as eve ED "Call at Register Letter Department for it" "Monday, p. m. 5. My dear M.,—Yours of yesternoon came to hand just now. I am more sorry than I can tell to hear that you are suffering so much. Of course you know that you have my ardent sympathies and best wishes for a speedy restoration to your heretofore blooming health. * * * G. has just telegraphed you if we shall not wait until you are completely restored, and in answering it I trust that you will not be governed by any thought that we want you to go on at once; far from it; the first consideration is your health, and if necessary we will postpone business until Christmas, and if you require rest for 10 days or more, for heaven's sake take it, it might be highly dangerous for you to stir about. Then we have a good capital, and when ready, can largely increase it on short order. Above all things if your health requires it let us wait, for business cannot be injured by delay, it is only a matter of resting for that time. If we delay, I probably will go to Baden-Baden for five or six days. I can pass the time very well. I am happy to say that my pecker and finger in three or four days more will be entirely well. Hoping you may in a few days be able to say the same thing, I remain, yours truly, "A."—"Dear M.,—You will find a letter, addressed to the name of your friend of C. Town, only with the first name of my Mick. Bro. for a middle name, at N. Y. P. O. "Edinburgh, March 11. Dear M.,—Your Irish friends were too warm for me, but I avoided their attentions by coming over here, and shall remain quietly here until I hear from you. I had less money than I supposed, and have only, say 71. on hand, but have 400l. in valuables, but do not care to offer anything at present. You better send me 100l. in English or Francks bank notes, not by registered letter, dividing it into three sums, one letter here, one to Copenhagen, one to Barcelona, all directed same name as on this. Do not tellegraph. It may be some time before I reach home. Will write often, directed same name as this, but to Brevoort."—(This was not signed, but the envelope bore a portion of George Bidwelts seal) "Edinburgh, 13th March. Dear M.,—I think you need have no more anxiety on my account, as I feel quite sure of keeping my health intact. I send you a batch of news herewith, which I know will surprise, if not please you, and as I am in rect. of the papers, will keep you posted. I am very quietly and comfortably situated here, and shall remain for some days in statu quo. In case you get these things all 0. K. (meaning all correct) you had better lay mine and Frére's away, as in case I conclude to dispose of some valuables I have about me, I shall make a dive for home in one or two weeks longer; of course I have no news of poor Nell, but think she will do well for herself, and can't imagine on what grounds they hold on. Of course it was foolish for me to leave L., but my anxiety to attend to those matters there overcame other reasons. Your friend has had a series of the most extraordinary adventures since you saw him, a hell's chase, and no mistake. His nerve has stood him through two taps on shoulder, and four encounters. He has been a Fenian, a Priest, a Professor, a Russian, who could speak only' veree leetle engles, mais un peu de Frangais et Allemand, 'a deaf and dumb man with a slate and pencil—all in the space of a week." (This enclosed newspaper slips containing a report of the examinations of Noyes at the Mansion House.) "5th March. I forgot

to mention that the Nos. of those 50 are advertised, which You bought, so you can act accordingly. This is the three I sent to this address. I think I shall remain quiet until I hear from or see someone. It may be best to send someone over to get Nelly out of the way. Let someone go and tell her I have sent for her to come over to N. Y. She will come at once. My baggage seems to be all gone up. They can get track of her at 11, Duke's Road, Euston Road, St. Pancras Church. You may also write to Mr. Anthony, 21, Enfield Road; also same name here, directed Post Office, Pitt Street. You may mail me money, but send no one to me, as I will trust no one except my brothers. Don't on any account use the telegraph."—"To Mr. Alfred J. Watson, Brevoort House, Fifth Avenue, New York. Edinburgh, 18th March. Dear M.,—It made me nearly sick to read what I enclose, and as to the photos I can't understand it at all. I shall try to get hold of Nelly, although I may incur some risk by doing so; yet I shall be most cautious in my movements. I am fairly stuck for want of money, and cannot put up anything at present, so I shall lie quiet here for a few days and then go to London, as I have a letter from the lady with whom E. and I lodged last spring, and she has secured me rooms at a neighbour's opposite her house. I have yet over 5l. It is all right as long as I keep inland, but the moment I touch the borders there is the devil to pay. I run through an awful gauntlet last week. Of course I should not have got Nell and myself into this dam stew but for my anxiety to get over there to attend to matters, and who would have dreamed they would take hold of her that way. There was a job put up from H----g's and I had a hard rub at Cx. (meaning Charing Cross.) I look at the Personals in Times every day, and in case anyone comes over and does not hit me, a properly-worded Personal will do it. I prefer letters with small sums, enclosed to A—y, in London (last spring lodging), also here, as directed in my last. Also to same name. This is addressed at General P. O. here. This is my fourth. I am delaying, as every day changes me. Of course it is impossible to say what move, or when I shall make one, but my present opinion is that I shall be in London when this reaches you. The telegraph, and I suspect the post also, is an open book for these parties. I suppose they have procured special permit You might mail some letters to General P. O., London. I forgot to tell you that I wrote 71 B----y about the thing sent, and signed "C. M.," as his brother, telling him to store until my brother the Maj. came or sent, and that my reason for writing was that I was not sure that the agt. who attended to it had written about it. You must keep a list of letters you send, as they may not reach me. You must have 50,000 dollars ready to use for bail, if needed." (Printed advertisementt enclosed cut from the "Times:" "Further caution. Bankers, Brokers, and others, are hereby cautioned against accepting, receiving, negotiating, or otherwise dealing with all or any of the undermentioned securities of the U. S., the same having been obtained by means of forgery. "The numbes werer then given, and a request followed that any information might be given to Inspector Bailey, Police Station, Old Jewry. The letter of 18th March cotained a cut out advertisement offering 500l. reward for the arrest of the two Bid-wills and Macdonnell, and a newspaper slip containing the examination of Helen Vernon and Ellen Franklin at tlie Mansion House; also a letter dated April 14th, 1872, to the proprietor, Brevoort House, April 14th, 1873, signed "G. C. Brownell, Post Office, South Bend, Indiana, "requesting letters to be forwarded, and enclosing 25c. for postage; also a letter from Brownell to Joseph

Bidwell, dated South Bend, April 16, 1872, requesting him to receive a package of letters which would come from New York, and keep it till called for. The whole of the bonds were also put in.)

ALBERT GEARING . I am the proprietor of the London Bridge Terminus Hotel.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. I was examined before the Lord Mayor—Mr. C. J. Horton engaged the room; Austin Bidwell is the person—he said that he might require it for two or three days, or possibly for weeks till he got suitable accommodation in the City—I believe it was on 11th January; I know that from my books—I believe letters came for him; I saw him twice looking on the hall table for letters—he did not say that he would engage a clerk; he said that his clerk would come daily; his clerk did come on the next day, I believe—I can't say the exact day the clerk came—I gave directions that if anybody called he was to be shown into No. 6 room—someone, who represented himself as the clerk, called; that was the prisoner Hills—he attended several times, but I cannot say whether he came daily.

Re-examined. The room taken was a private sitting-room; I charged 5s. a day for it—I saw no business going on or any books; I did not enter the room—I saw the person who engaged the room two or three times between his engaging it and 21st February; but I won't say whether I saw him in February.

MR. METCALFE submitted that there was no case to go to the Jury against Macdonnell. The 33 and 34 Vic., c. 52, sec. 19, provides that: "Wherein pursuance of any arrangement with a foreign State, any person accused or convicted of any crime, which, if committed in England, would be one of the crimes described in the first schedule to this Act, is surrendered by that foreign State, such person shall not until he has been restored or had an opportunity of returning to such foreign State, be triable or tried for any offence committed prior to the surrender in any part of Her Majesty's dominions other than such said crimes as may be proved by the facts on which the surrender is grounded," and it was therefore necessary to prove that he was now being tried for the same offence as that for which his extradition from America was obtained.

MR. GIFFARD contended that a special plea to the jurisdiction ought to have been put in before the plea of Not Guilty, and that there was proof of the present offence being committed by Macdonnell before he left this country.

THE COURT considered that unless MR. METCALFE could show that Macdonnell was upon his trial for a different offence to that upon which his surrender was obtained, he was not in a position to raise this objection. MR. METCALFE and MR. BESLEY declining to address the Jury on behalf of Macdonnell and George Bidwell, those prisoners themselves addressed the Jury as follows:—Macdonnell. The statement I have to make to you, Gentlemen of the Jury, was alluded to towards the end of Mr. Giffard's discourse and from what he said I presume he has been informed or conceived some idea himself as to what it was my intention to say. He tells you that any statement which I can make to you is not evidence, and can be received by you only with very great caution; I do not attempt to deny that; but, nevertheless, I think that my statement will be so supported by the testimony which the prosecution has elicited that it will merit at least a very careful consideration at your hands. I can easily conceive that in my case it will be very difficult indeed to make any defence whatever; but, as I believe that no person is in a position to give so accurate and so faithful an account of this whole

business as I am, I propose to show to you that in the case of one prisoner at least, if I cannot show it by direct evidence, it is certainly worthy of considerable attention—I mean my proposition which refers to the probability of his entire innocence in the actual fraud. My only reason for making this statement is that the truth may be known in regard to him, for I am perfectly well aware that every word I am saying to you now cuts from under my feet any hope that I might have entertained for myself. The idea of the prosecution, which they have endeavoured to enforce on your convictions, is that the original intention with which Austin Bid well, George Bidwell, and myself came over to this country was to perpetrate this fraud on the Bank of England. I think if that idea could be entertained, it would argue for us a knowledge and a prescience something more than men of ordinary ability and attainments could pretend to. It would suppose that we were perfectly acquainted with the mode of doing business in England, that we knew some person or other who had an account with the Bank of England, that we could by some well-devised plan get sufficiently into the confidence of that person to obtain from him an introduction to the Bank of England, and that all the other minor details, which have been explained so fully in the course of this investigation, would all work together for our benefit, would all turn out precisely as we desired, and that, in fact, nothing at all would interfere to prevent the carrying out of the fraud. When we first came to England it was certainly with no such intention. Mr. Green, of Savile Row, has told you that the opening of the account with the Western Branch of the Bank of England was an entire accident, and so it was. That was done on the 4th of May, and on the 28th of May we three left England. We left England without the slightest intention of returning. We were to have gone to South America by Rio as far as San Francisco, and thence back to Rio. Circumstances occurred in Rio to induce us to change our minds, and we came back. There is no doubt at all the intention was to close the account with the Bank of England, because it was of no use. But when we came back to England it was of considerable use and advantage to us to cash any documents that might come in our possession. We went from England to the Continent, and our intention while on the Continent was to do certain business between Vienna and Frankfort-on-the-Main. Circumstances then arose while we were at Vienna to prevent that business. In the meantime I was taken very seriously ill, and returned to England for the benefit of medical advice. While on my way to England I arrived at Amsterdam, and there I purchased from a banker named Moses Ezekiel a bill upon London. The prosecution has found out, apparently, every circumstance connected with this case, and have, no doubt, found out that. I also had another bill, drawn by Baron Schey of Vienna on London, and that bill I cashed myself. I went to Waring with it, and I saw the manner of doing business, which differed entirely from the manner in which it is transacted in America; the bill from Moses Ezekiel was drawn on the London and Westminster Bank, and was negotiated for me at the Alexandra Hotel. As soon as I saw how business was transacted, I sent a telegram from the station next adjoining the Alexandra Hotel to a person in Holland, and I stated in that telegram that I had made a great discovery. That telegram, I daresay, was also found, but, as it would tend to show that fraud possibly could not have been contemplated so early as the prosecution claim, it has not been brought forward. That was the first moment at which anything of the kind entered my mind. In America,

when bills are presented at a bank for discount, when acceptances are presented, it is the custom to send the acceptances round to the persons accepting to be what is technically called "initialed," in order that their validity and genuineness may be certified. I found that was not the case here, and the result of that discovery is that I am standing before you to-day. I went over to Amsterdam after that, and there telegraphed to another person to join me at once. He met me in Amsterdam, and we came to London, where we were afterwards joined by George Bidwell. Mr. Pinto, from Amsterdam, has told you that George Bidwell purchased bills drawn from Amsterdam upon Hamburg, which bills a day or two afterwards were sold back again, and others, drawn upon London, purchased with the proceeds. That was done in pursuance of my directions, and the bills so obtained were afterwards discounted by F. A. Warren. The matter went on in that way for some time until the 11th or 12th November. Austin Bidwell went over to Paris to buy the bill on Messrs. Rothschild which has been so much commented upon, that for 4, 500l. During his voyage or journey to Paris he met with a very severe railroad accident, in which one man certainly was killed outright, and I think two or three more, and Austin Bidwell had probably as narrow an escape from instant death and being smashed to pieces as any man ever had. On arriving in London he was in such a condition that it was almost impossible for him to move. He was helped from the station to the hotel where I was then stopping, and visited by a physician (Dr. Coulson), who told him he was in very great danger of being paralyzed for life, that his spine was affected. On the 17th of January, when Austin Bidwell took that bill to the Bank, I went with him as far as the door, and afterwards helped him back to my quarters. I think on the following day Dr. Coulson saw him, and Austin Bidwell then told him it was his intention to leave England immediately. The doctor replied that if he intended to travel he must do so at once, or he might not be able to do so at all. The evidence goes to show that up to this time every preparation had beea made for the contemplated fraud. The 18th of January was a Saturday, and after the doctor's interview with Austin Bidwell, who was then in my room, he told me that it was his intention to utterly withdraw from anything connected with this or any other similar matter. You can easily conceive that up to this time a great deal of money had been thrown away in continually transferring and re-transferring the papers. The idea of losing that money and having no return for it at all did not please me very much; but as Austin Bidwell said he would leave, was determined to leave, and did leave, I could only let him go, and he went But for all that, I thought that I would not make myself a victim; at all events I should carry it on, and in that determination I was joined by another person, who will tell you the same thing. On Dr. Coulson's advice Austin Bidwell decided to travel immediately, and he left with me two cheques—one drawn upon the Western Branch of the Bank of England and the other on Hartland and Co.—to obtain the balance of his account from both banks and invest the proceeds in United States bonds, which were to be forwarded to him in Paris. These cheques were in the first place drawn for the full amount. I thought it very likely that he might be induced to change his mind, and I had other cheques prepared, leaving a small balance on both accounts. These two cheques were cashed, and the proceeds left in my hands. The first forged bill as sent down to Birmingham on the 21st of January. Mr. Chabot has told you that

it is his opinion that the endorsement "F. A. Warren" on the bills was in the handwriting of Warren. It was not. No one knows that better than I do, for I know all about it My hand was the one that put those endorsements on. Mr. Chabot also says the cheques by which the moneys were drawn from the two banks were in Austin Bid well's handwriting, and were all signed at one sitting. Several of them were signed at one sitting, I quite agree with Mr. Chabot, but not by Austin Bid well. I can refer you in particular to the cheque which went to the Western Branch of the Bank of England, in which the name of Horton was misspelt. It is admitted that Austin Bid well was then on the way to Havaunah. Mr. Chabot does not state positively that these cheques were signed by Horton; the Continental Bank was perfectly well satisfied that they were sjgned by Horton, and I think the expert in that bank was quite as able to judge as Mr. Chabot whether the signatures were genuine. Now, then, I come to the accident on the Northern Railroad of France. When Austin Bidwell arrived at my quarters in England his first statement to me was this: "Mac, I have had a most frightful escape from instant death, to be an escape, as perhaps any man has ever experienced. "He went on to elaborate his sentiments during the accident, and wound up by saying that such was the deep impression made on his mind iu those few moments of peril that he should certainly have nothing to do with anything not only affecting his personal convenience and his liberty and happiness, as far as that goes, but also place in jeopardy, according to the view from which he looked at it then, his eternal happiness. I think, Gentlemen of the Jury, that this is not at all a far-fetched statement, and is probably one that will commend itself to your attention as being worthy of a great deal of consideration—namely, that a man of his age could not have so absolutely and entirely forgotten the sentiments implanted in him in youth as to be indifferent to such a warning. For myself, I am willing to confess that, probably from not having gone through that experience myself, I gave the matter but little attention, in fact, I laughed at it and laughed at him; but all I could say could not change his mind, and on the following Monday he left England. Now, as to the money which remained in his hands, he asked me to invest it for him in American bonds, about 1,000l. In the meantime the first batch of forged bills had been presented, and part of the proceeds invested in United States bonds, through the medium of Messrs. Jay Cooke & Co. When I went to Paris on the 28th I took those bonds with me. I met Austin there, to whom, by the way, a night or two before, I had sent 10,000 dollars, and when I went over I took the balance to him. Those 10,000 dollars he deposited for safe keeping with the American Agency. I went with him there to take them out, and while there I told him I had certain moneys that I was about to give him as soon as I could settle my affairs in London. It was useless to have money entirely idle, and I myself requested him to buy that very bill which has not been used but has been presented in evidence here. I wanted him to buy it on the ground of having already had some sort of acquaintance with these people, and he could do it better than I could. At that time I am bound to state that he had the most entire confidence that what I told him was true and exactly as I represented it to him, and, accordingly, he bought the bill In the course of our operations on the Continent between Vienna and Frankfort last autumn, there was a good amount of money left uncollected, and Austin's visit to Frankfort primarily was to collect that money. When he left Paris with the

intention of going to Frankfort, I myself requested him to sell those bonds, without telling him that it was part of any fraud, for of a fraud at that time he had no conception whatever. I requested him to sell those bonds, and the balance that was due by him to me on a settlement I asked him to forward either by bill on London or New York. The balance was between 500l. or 600l., and the manner in which he remitted that sum to me was in a bill from Baron Bethman for 500l. drawn on the Russian Bank of Foreign Trade. When I returned to London I sent him a telegram, which has been produced here, asking him to buy certain small sighted bills; and I think, if all the papers in my trunk had been examined, one letter would have been found in which he stated he did not know to what I referred. When Austin Bidwell left England the evidence shows pretty clearly that he left everything in confusion as far as this business is concerned, and in a state of unreadiness. When the first bills were sent in to the bank the intention only was to recoup the loss on the money transactions and then clear out. But when the facility with which they were received and discounted was considered, it was determined to carry the thing further, and in order to do so it was necessary to get up bills, printing done, and stamps made, and there was very little time to do it in; it had to be in a hurry—at once. Mr. Giffard asked in his address to you what was the object of the account. The object was very plain. I do not propose to insult your understandings, gentlemen, by saying that a fraud was not contemplated at one time, but you may, perhaps, be inclined to believe that such a statement as I am now making is made only with one motive. Does it redound to my advantage, does it help to clear me at all, or do I state anything to you intrinsically improbable? I think not I have no doubt Mr. Giffard has had a great deal of experience in this sort of business, and I daresay he will believe me when I say that men engaged in illegitimate transactions do not place very much confidence in each other, or any more than they are absolutely bound to do; and if there was an intention, in spite of the withdrawal of one party, still to carry out the original scheme, it is not likely that party, after having entirely withdrawn, should be intrusted with any confidence concerning the scheme. He asks who were benefited by it; and if he sifts the matter to the bottom I think it could be very easily explained; but who was intended to be benefited by it, is another question. Mr. Giffard, in his opening address, said it was the belief of the prosecution that Austin Bidwell was on his way to Mexico. If that were their belief, I can only say it is well founded. He then referred to the package of bonds sent to New York addressed to Austin Biron Bidwell, care of the Safety Deposit Co. Of course it is very difficult to prove any such statement as this. Notwithstanding, it is the simple truth that that package never was intended for Austin Bidwell; and, if you think that is hardly the case, I might ask, if it was really intended for him why was it not sent to Vera Cruz, where he was going, instead of to New York, 1, 800 miles away from Vera Cruz. The printing and engraving of these bills were nearly all done after the 25th of January. When Mr. Chabot was called at the Mansion House, he was very careful not to give any opinion as to the cheques and bills that were sent after he became aware that Austin Bidwell was not in England at the time, and it was only upon coming hero, after being in possession of all the circumstances, that he then gave it as his opinion that those bills were not signed by Austin Bidwell. Of course I do not presume to impugn Mr. Chabot. I have

no doubt whatever that his testimony is perfectly conscientious, but with such aids to help his decision, is it at all extraordinary that his testimony should have been precisely what it was yesterday. Since Mr. Chabot first took upon himself the profession of an expert, business of this kind, like that of every other, has made very great strides. It has become, as one of the newspapers said, an art I mean fraud of this description, and, although a very wretched, unhappy, miserable, and contemptible art, it may be to a certain extent called an art nevertheless. Mr. Chabot would induce you to believe that these cheques were left signed by Austin Bidwell I am unwilling to allow that statement to be left as it was by Mr. Chabot on your minds when you come to meditate on your verdict. My only object is to make as much reparation as can be done to a person who, in spite of Mr. Giffard's statement as to its improbability, has been deceived and imposed upon, and has had his confidence violated. If I am successful in pressing that view of the case upon you, I shall have obtained all I can possibly ask for. If I am not successful, I gan only regret it; but I ask, when you go to consider your verdict, to bear in mind the statement I have made; to consider whether there is anything intrinsically improbable in it, and to say whether it is at all likely that I would stand up here and, through any other motive than the one I have mentioned, make observations which must necessarily be most prejudicial to myself. That is all, gentlemen, I have to say to you." (The Prisoner was about further to make some remarks with reference to the case of Noyes, but he, as well as George Bidwell, were told that (key could not be allowed to do so, Noyes being defended by Counsel.)

The prisoner George Bidwell stated that he had prepared some observations to address to the Juryi but as they had Men anticipated by Macdonnell he would coitent himself by merely confirming what he had said.

GUILTY .— The prisoners were each sentenced to Penal Servitude for Life , and it was ordered that each should pay one-fourth of the costs and expenses of the Prosecution .

NEW COURT.—Monday, August 18th, 1873.

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491. LOUISA BARCHETT (22), was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. CRAUFURD and COLERIDGE conducted the Prosecution.

CATHERINE SEAKINS . My husband keeps the Grapes public-house in Bow Street—on 7th July, about 5 p. m. I served the prisoner with some cooper, which was 11l. 2.—she gave me a bad florin—I had seen her there before and I recognised her—I sent for a constable, and then told her it was bad, she said she was not aware of it—she had been in on 6th June with a bad shilling, and asked for gin and peppermint—I marked that shilling and put the date on, and gave it to the constable on 7th August—she also gave me a bad half-crown on the 6th August, but I found that out before she left, and she gave me a good one for it.

Prisoner. I gave her the 2s., but I know nothing of the other money.

RIOHABD BEARD . I keep the Two Brewers, Holborn—about the middle of June, about 5 p.m. the prisoner came there and called for a glass of cooper and tendered a florin to my daughter—I was present—my daughter brought the florin to me, it was bad—I went round and locked the door and said "Are you aware this is a bad one?" and she said "No"—I said "Where did you get it from?"—she saidsome gentlemen gave it to her—she said her name was Louise Rich, and she lived at Cow Cross Street—I marked the florin and kept it, the prisoner put a mark on it—I afterwards gave it to the constable.

THOMAS BAMPTON (Policeman E 381). I was called to Mr. Seakins's house and took the prisoner for passing a bad florin—she made no reply—I produce the florin and a shilling I received from Mrs. Seakins—sometime in May I went to Mrs. Seakins's house, to get change for a half-sovereign, he gave me a bad half-crown, I said "I wont have this, it is bad"—Mrs. Seakins said that the prisoner had just given it to her—the prisoner was present, she is the same woman—she said she had got it in change for a sovereign at the market, she knew where she had got it and would take it back—she gave a good half-crown and went away with the bad one—I produce a bad florin I received from Mr. Beard.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . I am Inspector of Coin to the Mint—these two florins and shilliugs are bad.

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Imprisonment.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-492
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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492. CATHERINE DONOVAN (20), and GEORGE BOSESTOR (23) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin, having other counterfeit coin in their possession.

MESSRS. CRAUFURD and COLERIDGE conducted the Prosecution Mr.

GRIFFITHS appeared for Donovan, and MR. BESLEY for Bosestor.

ALFRED GAGE . I am barman at the Old Queen's Head, Tavistock Row, Covent Garden—on 11th July, about 4.30 p. m., the prisoners came in—the woman asked for a pint of stout, she paid with a bad shilling—the man

was alongside of her, close by the fire-place—I told her it was bad, and I should lock her up as she had passed a bad florin the night before—she walked towards the door and sat on the florin, and threw a good shilling and a penny on the floor—she had been in about 8 o'clock before, with a man—I put the florin she gave me in the till—there was no other florin there, as the master had just cleared the tills, and there were on three sixpences and a shilling—I found the florin was bad the same night—she and the man drank the beer together—the two prisoners did not drink the stout—I did not give them time—they spoke together, but I did not hear what they said; they seemed acquainted.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. I did not say anything to her about the florin because I was waiting to catch her—no one was in the bar, only her and the man she came in with;—she was standing about two feet from the man—when I accused her she went and sat down on the seat—I went for a policeman—I left the governor there to see that she did not go out.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. Bosestor was not there the night before when the florin was uttered—he was a stranger to me—he came in about two seconds after the woman—I did not see him drinking—another detective took him—Donovan was standing by the beer engine, and Bosestor by the fire-place about three yards away—he stood between Donovan and the fire-place.

WILLUM BISHOP (Policeman E R 10). On Ilth July, about 5 o'clock, I was called to the Queen's Head by Gage—Donovan was given into my custody—Bosestor was standing up against the bar, close to the fire-place—Donovan said "You have known me long enough," and I have known her for a long time—I never knew anything against her—she gave me a shilling and a penny out of her hand—I received from Gage a bad florin and shilling, which I produce—another constable followed me in and took Bosester.

Cross-examined by MR. GRFFFITHS. The woman gains her livelihood by selling flowers—she has very aged parents.

Cross-examined by MR. BBSLBT. Black the constable went in with me—Gage told me that a woman had been passing bad coin—I saw a child in the public-house—I did not notice whether she was eating a bun or a buscuit.

THOMAS GOODMAN . I am a waiter, at 10 Tavistock Row, it is a coffee-house—on 11th July I saw the prisoners come down the road together and go to the Queen's Head.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. It was between 4 and 5 o'clock—I only saw them that day.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLKY. They were walking on the pavement—the woman went into the house first, and the man a little behind her—Mr. Gage afterwards sent me to fetch a policeman—I did not see the man drinking cooper.

Re-examined. They were walking near enough to talk together—No. 10 the coffee shop and the Queen's Head, belong to the same landlord.

CHRISTOPHER BLACK (Policeman E 319). I went in with Bishop to the Queen's Head—Bosestor was standing by the bar with a glass of stout in his hand, just going to drink it—I told him the charge—he said "I am just going to have a glass of ale"—he said he lived on the opposite side of the water—he whispered something to the female, I can't say what—I found on him 1s. 81l. 2. in bronze, two 3d. pieces, and a sixpence.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLET. He told me he lived at King Street, Cornwall Road—that was quite correct—I did not say anything about the whisper at the first examination before the Magistrate, because the sergeant who heard it was absent—I mentioned it at the second examination.

FREDERICK BAORIDOE . I am a potman at the Queen's Head—I followed in behind the constables—Bosestor was standing with his back to the fire: about 2 feet from it—I cleared out the grate the next day, between 12 and I o'clock, and found two bad shillings—I gave them to the police.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. The woman was sitting by the door, there were no other persons in the bar, there may have been two others there besides the prisoner.

WILLIAM BROWN (Policeman L 214). I took Donovan on 7th July; she was taken to the Lambeth Police Station on a stretcher; she tried to get her hand to her bosom, but the strap being across she could not get to it—when we got her to the station, two loose florins dropped from her, and five wrapped in tissue-paper, all bad (produced)—she also had a shilling, three sixpences, and 9 1/2 d. in good coin—she was taken before the Magistrate next day, remanded to the second day, and then discharged.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. The Magistrate heard the evidence, and discharged her.

CHARLES TURRILL (Police Sergeant E 37). I was on duty at Bow Street when the charge was taken against the prisoners—I heard Donovan say to Bosestor, "You don't tumble to me"—the man nodded in reply—I said to the constable, "Part the prisoners, they are talking"—he parted them at once.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . The coins produced are all bad—the shilling uttered by Donovan is bad—the two shillings taken from the fire-place are bad, and one is from the same mould as the one uttered by Donovan.

BOSESTOR received a good character. NOT GUILTY .

DONOVAN GUILTY Twelve Months' Imprisonment.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-493
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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493. GEORGE OULEY, (33) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. COLERIDGE and DE MIOHELE conducted the Prosecution.

MARIA MCBRIDE . I am barmaid at the Gloucester Arms, Gloucester Road—on 14th July, between 6 and 7 o'clock, I served the prisoner with a glass of ale; he gave me a florin—I told him it was bad—he said he did not know it, and laid down a shilling, which I took the change out of—I turned round to call the barman, and he walked out of the house—I laid the florin on a shelf in the bar—on the following Tuesday, 22nd July, the prisoner came in again and asked for a pint of stout and mild—he paid with a bad shilling—I broke it, and afterwards gave it to Mr. Sewell—I said "This is a bad coin, and you are the man who was in here last week and offered me a bad florin"—he put down a florin, and I gave him the change out of that—a policeman was sent for, and he was given into custody.

RICHARD SEWELL . I am an assistant manager at the Gloucester Arms—on 22nd July, Maria McBride gave me two pieces of a bad shilling—I gave them to the constable.

MALCOLM WESTERN (Policeman T 65). On 22nd July I took the prisoner at the Gloucester Arms, and Mr. Sewell gave me a bad florin and shilling—the prisoner said he did not know it was a bad shilling—I found on him a half-crown, sixpence, and 41l. all good.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This is a bad florin, and this is a bad shilling. The Prisoner in his defence stated that he did not pass the florin, and teas not aware the shilling was bad.

GUILTY Two Years' Imprisonment.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-494
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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494. HENRY WILLIAM PEARCE (20), was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. COLERIDGE and MR. DB MICHELE conducted the Prosecution; and MR. CHARLES MATTHEWS the Defence.

GEORGE MASTERS . I keep the Horse and Groom, Edmonton—on Tuesday, 22nd July, the prisoner came in between 5 and 6 o'clock p. m.—he called for 2d. worth of cold gin, and paid with a bad florin—I put it into my mouth, and he put two florins on the oounter and a half-crown—I gave a signal to fetch a constable, and he turned round and ran away—one of the florins fell over the counter, that was good—I watched the prisoner out at the door, and pointed him out to a constable—I saw him brought over to the station—he left his gin and water on the counter—I gave the florin to the constable.

Cross-examined. He was in the house about three minutes—several per sons were there, but not with him.

FRANCES WITHET . I live at the Railway Taverrt, Edmonton—on 22nd July, about 6 o'clock in the evening, the prisoner came in and asked for a pint of stout and mild—he gave me a florin—I put it on the shelf over the till, and gave him 1s. 9d. change—I then tested the florin, and found it was bad—the prisoner was just going out of the door—I called out "This is a bad florin you have given me—I called to a constable outside as the prisoner was making off towards the railway station, and he was taken into custody—I gave the florin to the constable.

THOMAS ALDBR (Policeman Y 361). On 22nd July I went to Mr. Mastered house and received this bad florin—the prisoner was pointed out to me, and I followed him to the Railway Tavern—I heard him call for something, and saw him throw down a coin—I had spoken to the servant before that—after the prisoner put down the coin she said Hi! man, this is bad"—I received a florin from the landlady, and I took the prisoner and another man into custody, but the other man got away.

Cross-examined. The prisoner was sitting on some wooden railings by the park when I took him.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These coins are both bad.

GUILTY .*— Two Years' Imprisonment.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-495
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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495. WILLIAM LEAKE (24), was indicted for a like offence.

MR. DE MICHELE conducted the Prosecution.

HERBERT WAGG . I am barman to Mr. Turner, at the Mansfield Arms, Kentish Town—on Thursday, 24th July, the prisoner came in, and I served him with a pot of half-and-half—he gave me a shilling; I gave him sixpence and 2d. change, and put the shilling in the till—there was one shilling there before, a good one—he called for another pot of beer, and put down another shilling—I gave him change, and put that in the till—there were two men with the prisoner—Mr. Turner afterwards took the shilling from the till, in my presence.

Prisoner. Q. Do you know all the coins that were in the till before? A. I know there were two florins, a shilling, and some small pieces.

THOMAS TURNER . I am landlord of the Mansfield Arras—on 24th July I

saw the prisoner leave the house—I went to the till immediately, and found three shillings, a florin, and some small silver—two of the shillings were bad—I gave them to the constable.

Prisoner. He said if I would give him two good ones he would not lock me up—I said I had not given him the two bad ones, and I did not see why I should give him two good ones.

WILLIAM SWEENEY (Policeman V 401). I took the prisoner, and received two bad shillings from Turner—I searched the prisoner at the station, and found on him three florins, seven shillings, six sixpences, and 2s. 01l. 2. in bronze, all good—he gave a correct address.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These two shillings are bad.

Prisoner's Defence. The cause of my changing the two shillings was that I wanted some halfpence to work my fish. I have been in Kentish Town twenty-six years and never passed a bad penny-piece.


THIRD COURT.—Tuesday, August 19th, 1873.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-496
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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496. RICHARD PRICE (22), PLEADED GUILTY ** to stealing a handkerchief of Richard Carpenter, from his person— Five Year' Penal Servitude.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-497
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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497. FERDINAND SLEIGH HARDING (19) , to stealing an order for the payment of 19l. 15s. 6d., and other orders, the property of John Sandford Boddy, his master— Five Years' Penal Servitude. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-498
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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498. JAMES BAKER (27) , to stealing six vases, the property of William Frederick Lotz and another, his masters— Twelve Months' Imprisonment. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-499
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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499. ALFRED EDWARDS (23) , to stealing an order for the payment of 103l. 18s. 6d. the property of Joseph Bravo, his master— Five Years' Penal Servitude. And [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-500
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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500. CORNELIUS CONNOR** (40) , to burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Harris Rosenburg, and stealing therein 12 coats, having been before convicted in February, 1865.— Fifteen Years' Penal Servitude. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-501
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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501. THOMAS SULLIVAN (17) , Stealing a watch of William Murrell, from his person.

MR. TURNER conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM MURRELL . I live at 119, Loder Terrace, Stratford New Town—a little before 6.30 on Sunday, 27th July, I was going to chapel—some boys were standing down Tower Street, and as I passed, two boys came out; one took hold of my scarf, and the other snatched at my watch, and ran down a turning—the prisoner is very like the boy who took it—I should not like to swear to him—it was worth 45s.

Prisoner. I was not there at all.

GEORGE COOPER . I live at Chamber's Court, Whitechapel—I saw Murrell on the pavement—the prisoner snatched his watch, and ran away—I knew him before—I was a little way behind him when he snatched it—I went to the station and picked him out from several others.

GEORGE FOSTER (Detective Officer). On the day Murrell lost his watch Cooper came to the station and gave a description, from which I apprehended the prisoner on 8th August, at a coffee-shop in Cable Street—I placed him amongst four or five others, and the boy picked him out.

Prisoner. I have never been locked up before. I was indoors till 9.30.


18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-502
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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502. WILLIAM BAKER (28) , Embezzling 69l. 4s. 4d., received by him on account of Francis Nicholls and others, his masters.

MR. SLEIGH conducted the Prosecution; and MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS

The Defence.

RICHARD HENRY GROOMBRIDGE . I am a member of the firm of Groombridge and Sons, publishers, 5, Paternoster Row—on 8ih July I paid the prisoner 69l. odd, by a cheque for 30l. 12s. 9d. and the rest in gold and notes, on account of Mr. Nicholls, the receiver to my estate.

FRANCIS NICHOLLS . I am a member of the firm of Messrs. Nicholls & Leatherdale, public accountants, 14, Old Jewry Chambers—I was appointed receiver to Messrs. Groombridge & Sons' estate in liquidation—the prisoner had been my clerk for about a year and a half—when he received money, his duty was to pay it to the cashier, Mr. Jobson, and if he was not in, to any of us—this cheque has been cashed by us—the prisoner was absent from our office about ten or twelve days, and when he came back a conversation took place—my solicitor and partner were present—my solicitor asked him what he had to say—he gave me the cheque for 30l. 12s. 9d., and said he had been robbed of the rest of the money, and he believed drugged—he said he had put the money that Mr. Groombridge had given him into a leather bag, and put it into one of his pockets—he was given in custody.

Cross-examined. He was paid a weekly salary—he was guaranteed for 100l. or 150l.—he said he put the money in a purse, and had lost it, and he believed he had been drugged.

WILLIAM HUNTER JOBSON . I am cashier to Messrs. Nicholls & Leatherdale—it is my duty to receive the cash paid by the clerks to the firm—the prisoner has not accounted for the sum of 69l. 4s. 4d.—he had instructions on 8th July to go to Messrs. Groombridge—I think I saw him at the office on the morning of the 9th—he did not make any account to me then for any money he had received from Messrs. Groombridge—I did not see him from that day till the 24th July—if money was received after office hours it ought to be paid over the next morning—I saw the prisoner at his desk on the morning of the 9th.


18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-503
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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503. CHARLES HENRY STRATFORD (46) , Stealing a gelding, the property of William Gore Langton.

MR. TURNER conducted the Prosecution; and MR. M. WILLIAMS the Defence.

WILLIAM GORE LANGTON , M.P. I am one of the Members for West Somerset—I have a residence in town—in July last I had a bay gelding which I kept at some stables in Maddox Street, where the prisoner was employed as horse-keeper—I wanted to sell that horse, and the prisoner came to me and said if I would take his bill for two months he would give me 60l. for it—he said he would bring the bill that night or the following morning, whichever I chose—I said the following morning before 10 o'clock, as I was going into the country—he did not come, and a few minutes before 10 o'clock I went to the stables and saw the prisoner's mother—the prisoner was not there, and the horse was gone—I did not authorise him to sell it for 30l., I said I would not take less than 60l.

Cross-examined. The prisoner had had charge of the horse for six weeks or two months—I told him it was for sale, and I promised him a present if he sold it.

WALTER PALMER . I am an omnibus proprietor, and live at 37, Chenies

Mews, Bedford Square—on 24th July the prisoner brought me a bay gelding and asked me to buy it—he asked 60l. for it—he had been several times previously—I ultimately bought it for 30l.; he gave me this receipt—he said he had been a bankrupt, and he said "This is some of it, and I may as well put it in my pocket as anyone else"—he was in liquor at the time, and had been riding the horse about all day—I had known him nine or ten years.

WILLIAM HENRY MONCTON . I took the prisoner on 28th July at Maddox Street—he said "I bought the horse and agreed to give a two months' bill for 60l.;" he sent his mother for the bill, and she brought this blank form—he said "I have been a great fool, I ought to have sent the bill; it is proof that I meant to pay for it, having this in my possession:"

Cross-examined. He told me he had sold it to Mr. Palmer.


18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-504
VerdictsGuilty > unknown
SentencesImprisonment > penal servitude

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504. BENJAMIN THOMAS (36) , Stealing a post letter containing a cheque for 10l., the property of Her Majesty's Postmaster-General; and JOHN ALFRED THOMAS (27) , feloniously receiving the same.

MR. METCALFE, Q.C., and MR. SLADE conducted the Prosecution; and MR. BRINDLEY defended John Alfred Thomas.

HENRY WIX . I live at Clay Hill, Walthamstow—on 30th June I enclosed a cheque for 10l. in a letter addressed to Messrs. Haines & Potter, wine merchants, 24, High Street, Kensington—I posted it myself at 6. 45 in the morning—not having an acknowledgment I wrote to them and heard from them afterwards—it was the only cheque I drew that day.

Cross-examined. The cheque is payable to bearer.

FREDERICK HILL . I am postmaster at Walthamstow—I sent off the letters on 30th June in the mail bag to the Eastern District Post-office at 9. 45 a. m.

EDWARD MCDONOUGH . I am a sorter in the' Eastern District Post-office—a portion of the letters which came there would be forwarded by me—those posted at Clay Hill before 7 o'clock arrive at the District Office about 11 o'clock—those addressed to Kensington would be forwarded at 11. 20 to the Western District Office.

CHARLES HOOD . I am a sorter in the Western District Office—the letters which arrived on 30th June addressed to Kensington from the Eastern District, were sent by me to the Kensington Branch Office at 12. 50 that day.

Benjamin. Q. Are there not a number of mis-sorts in the post-office? A. Yes; there are such things as mis-sorts.

Cross-examined. A letter would probably go through ten hands—I can't say that that letter was forwarded.

He-examined. There is a sealed bag for Kensington—it is not opened from the time it leaves ray hands till it gets to Kensington.

JOSEPH DRAKE . I am head letter carrier, in the Kensington Branch Office—I know the prisoner Benjamin Thomas, he has been employe.

JW a letter—carrier in that office, for about four months—the mail bag arrives from the Western District Office, at 1. 20—any letter coming in that bag on 30th June, addressed to Messrs Haines and Potter, High Street, Kensington, would be sorted to the prisoner Benjamin for delivery—he should deliver that letter at its address at 1. 50 the same afternoon.

Benjamin. Q. I believe I have always done my duty while I was under you? A. To the best of my belief.

Cross-examined. I saw the letter sorted to him myself—I can speak to the identical letter—there are very few letters at that time of the day.

Re-examined. Benjamin Thomas has pleaded guilty to two charges of taking letters from this office on the day he was taken. (See page 297.)

FRANK POTTER . I am a member of the firm of Haines & Potter, wine merchants, 24, High Street, Kensington—I never received a cheque for 10l. on 30th June, from Mr. Wix.

ALFRED WARD . I am a hosier, at 173, Westminster Bridge Road—about 9 o'clock on the evening of 30th June, Alfred Thomas came in—he addressed me as Mr. Ward, and I was under the impression that I knew him as a customer—he purchased an umbrella and shirts and other things to the amount of 30s.—he tendered me a cheque—I told him it was rather late, and I was going to catch my train—I told him to call in the morning—he called, and I gave him 8l. 10s., the balance of the cheque—this is the cheque he gave me—I asked him his name and address—he gave me "Edward Evan, 9, Addington Square, Camberwell"—he was there about ten minutes or a quarter of an hour—his face seemed familiar to me as a customer—it was about 8. 45 when he came in the morning—I had a good opportunity of seeing him—this is one of my shirts; I know it by a mark which is put in by the laundress on all our shirts—I saw him afterwards at 146, Cambridge Street, Pimlico, and identified him—he wore a dark coat and a tall hat with a band.

Cross-examined. I have not said before that he had a hat-band, the question was not put—after seeing him I said I thought he was the man who passed the cheque—I was willing to give him the benefit of any doubt—I saw him at work as a tailor at his own house—he said he thought he had seen my face before, and that I was a publican—I have a great many shirts in my shop, and all that the laundress washes are numbered—fifty laundresses may use that number—it was about five weeks from 1st July before I saw him again.

Re-examined. I told my son I thought I had seen the man—at that time I knew my son was to see him—I never had the least doubt.

HORACE WARD . I am the son of the last witness—I was in the shop when the prisoner Alfred Thomas came in and gave the cheque to my father—I did not take much notice of him—I saw his face, and I knew him again when I saw him—I was taken to Bow Street Police Court, and picked him out of fifteen others—I was present when my father gave him the 8l. 10s.—I am certain the prisoner is the man.

Cross-examined. I did not have any conversation with my father—he told me he thought he had seen the man.

CHARLES JAMES STEVENS . I am attached to the missing letter branch of the Post Office—on the morning of 7th August I accompanied Mr. Ward, senior, and Since, to the house of Alfred Thomas—I went in first, closely followed by Smee and Mr. Ward—Mr. Ward wished the prisoner good morning—he said "Good morning, Mr. Thomas; do you know me?"—he said "No, unless you are a publican; I think I have seen your face"—Mr. Ward said "You have been to my shop in the Westminster Bridge Road"—he turned to me and said "I identify him as the man who brought the cheque to my house"—I took the cheque out of my pocket, and told him that Mr. Ward identified him as the man who had called and bought several articles; and I said "Do you know anything about it?"—he said "No, I have not been in Mr. Ward's shop"—Smee took him to the (General Post

Office, where he was told the charge—he was asked whether he had a brother in the Post Office, living at Hammersmith, and he said "Yes"—I bad received an application from Mr. Wix about the cheque.

ADOLPHUS FREDERICK ESSE . I am a clerk in the London and Westminster Bank, Lambeth Branch—Mr. Alfred Ward keeps an account there—this cheque was paid in to his account on 1st July.

WILLIAM SIIEE . I am a constable attached to the Post Office—on 6th August Benjamin Thomas was in custody—on the evening of that day I went with Stevens to Alfred Thomas's house—he was asked if his name was Thomas—he said "Yes:"—and if he had a brother named Benjamin, in the Post Office—he first replied "No"—he said "My father's name wai Benjamin, and he lodged round the corner"—he was asked whether he had a brother, and "did he call here last evening?"—he said "I refuse to answer those questions unless I know the object of them"—it was repeated to him again—he said "Yes, I have a brother, but I can't say whether he was here, I was, not in"—I went to his house the following morning with Ward, who identified him—he said he knew nothing about the cheque, and never saw it before—I took him to the Post Office, and he was there told that he would be charged with receiving the stolen cheque and negotiating it, and his brother would be charged with stealing it out of a letter which he should have delivered—I found a key on him, and went to his house again in the afternoon—I unlocked the cupboard, and found this hat—this coat was in the bedroom, and the shirt I obtained from the laundress—I went to 9, Addington Square, but found no one named Edward Evan living there.

Cross-examined. The prisoner's father is a respectable man, and I know nothing against Alfred.

SARAH BEAGLEY . I was servant to Alfred Thomas, at 146, Cambridge Street—Benjamin was in the habit of coming to see his brother four or five times a week—he had a key and let himself in—he came there on Tuesday, 5th August, about 7. 15—his brother Alfred was out—he waited a little while and went away—he called again; Alfred was in then, and they both went out—Alfred came back about 10 o'clock—the constable had been the evening before, when he was out, and he came again the neit day with another person—after he was taken away the constable asked me for an umbrella, and I went and searched for it—Mrs. Cuthbert is the washerwoman for my master—I had taken some shirts to her to be washed.

Cross-examined. I don't know the date my master's brother called—I know the day—I could not say that this was a shirt I gave out to wash.

JANE CUTHBERT . I am a washerwoman, at Westbourne Place, Pirmlico—I washed for the prisoner Alfred Thomas—I gave that shirt to the constable on Friday, 8th August—I had received it from the last witness the Tuesday before.

Cross-examined. I do a considerable deal of washing, chiefly ladies' things—sometimes I have two or three shirts, sometimes five.

Benjamin's Defence. I have about 5,000 letters through my hands a week, and I believe that letter never came into my hands at all. The two letters I am charged with stealing I have pleaded guilty to, but this letter did not come into my hands, and I am quite sure my brother knows nothing of it.

GUILTY Five Years' each in Penal Servitude.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-505
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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505. MARGARET WHITEHEAD (28) , Feloniously forging and uttering the signature of Mary Fullerton to a request for the payment of money, with intent to defraud.

MR. POWELL, Q.C., and MR. TURNER conducted the Prosecution; and MR. MEAD the Defence.

WILLIAM HENRY MUGFORD . I am secretary to the official trustees of the Patriotic Fund, which is raised for the purpose of finding pensions for the widows and orphans of soldiers and sailors who were killed in the Crimea, or died in consequence of the war—I produce the original papers referring to a grant to Mary Fullerton—she is described as the widow of Robert Fullerton, leading stoker on board Her Majesty's ship Wasp, being fifty-two years of age, and having five children, one entitled to relief—the grant was made in August, 1855—payments are made by the different staff officers of pensioners in the different parts of the country where the recipient of the pension lives—those officers send up pay-sheets and receipts from time to time—it appears that Mary Fullerton received the pension for some years in the district of Paisley, where she resided—it is also the practice of the office to require the recipients, from time to time, to make a statutory declaration of identity—that is taken to the pension officer and lodged with him, and by him sent to the office—in the event of a pensioner removing from one part of the country to another, it is the practice for the officer who has paid her to send a transfer-paper to the office of the district where she is going—I produce a document of December, 1871, transferring Mary Fullerton to the Greenwich district—the word "Greenwich" is in this handwriting of Philip Box, who was formerly a clerk in the Patriotic Fund office—he was convicted of frauds of this kind here at the June Sessions.

REBECCA FULLERTON . I am the wife of James Campbell Fullerton, an engineer, residing at Greenock—he is the son of the late Mrs. Mary Fullerton—I knew her for upwards of twenty-four years—she died in my arms on 16th March, 1869—she was the widow of Robert Fullerton, of H.M S. Wasp, and received her pension in Greenock, which is the Paisley District—I frequently went with her to receive it—she always signed with a mark.

JAMES MCGUINRSS . I am Staff Serjeant-Major of Pensioners for the Geenwich district, under Major Richmond—I remember the document of transfer coming to me, transferring Mary Fullerton to the Greenwich district—it came by post from the staff officer where she had been originally paid; it is dated 31st December, 1871—after I had received that, the prisoner applied for the payment of the pension in January, 1873—for the quarter ending March, 1872, she received three payments, amounting to 5l. 4s. altogether—for the June quarter she received 5l. 64s. in two payments, September quarter, three payments, receiving 5l. is December, two payments, receiving 5l. 4s.; March, 1878, one payment, receiving 5l. 4s. June, 1873, two payments, receiving 5l. 4s.—on each of those payments she signed the pay-sheet in the name of Mary Fullerton—on 30th June, 1873, I gave her the declaration of identity, and she sent it back by post; she also had one in January, 1871—I can't say how I received that—the declaration contains the words; "I, Mary Fullerton, do solemnly declare "that I was the former wife of Robert Fullerton, and that the following is a correct statement"—on 30th June, 1873, she called and signed the pay-sheet for July—on 31st July she came again, and in my presenoe Major Richmond asked her if her name was Mary Fullerton—she said "Yes"—he said "Sit down, you have been doing wrong and I can't let you go"—she said "I am sorry for it; I hope you will forgive me"—I asked her how she came to sign her name Mary Fullerton when her name was not Mary Fullerton—she said she was receiving the money for another person, some woman she got acquainted with.

Cross-examined. I saw her each time she came, and saw her sign the paysheet—I have compared the pay-sheet with the declaration, and find they are the same signatures.

EDWARD SAYBR (Detective Sergeant). I went to the Greenwioh Pension Office on 31st July, and saw the prisoner—I told her I was a police-officer, and said You have been obtaining money by false pretences"—I asked her name, and she said "Margaret Whitehead"—she said "Some months since I met a woman at the Westminster Hospital where I was an outpatient. She asked me if I wished to earn a few shillings by drawing a pension for her monthly. I said yes, and she then told me to go to Greenwich and draw her pension, which I have done"—I asked her if she knew the name and address of the woman she spoke of, and she said "No," but she thought some of the letters she had had from her bore the Dartmouth post-mark, but they were not signed—I read the warrant to her, and she made no reply—she said she had 5s. and sometimes 10s. for doing it.

Cross-examined. I have known the prisoner about six years—she has been a charwoman employed at the Admiralty for thirteen years, and has borne a good character all that time.


There were other indictments against the prisoner, upon which no evidence was offered.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-506
VerdictNot Guilty > non compos mentis
SentenceImprisonment > insanity

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506. JOHN WILSON (32) , Feloniously placing on the Midland Railway, three iron bars and an iron chair, with intent to endanger the lives of Thomas Raven and others.

MR. BISLET conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS RAVEN . I am an engine-driver—I went out with my train from Moorgate Street about 6. 51 on Sunday night, 6th July, we got to the Child's Hill station about 7. 19, and on nearing it I noticed the prisoner lying in the four-foot on the up road—we were on the down line—we went on to Hendon—we came back about 7. 31, and near Child's Hill I looked to see if anything had been done to the line—I saw three iron bars placed across the metals—I could not quite come to a standstill, and the guards of the engine threw the bars aside—if we had been going fast they would have thrown the engine off the line—I proceeded on to Finchley, and while passing the next bridge the prisoner came from behind the bridge and threw something at us—I saw something come from his hand—I gave information at the Finchley Road.

JAMES ROBINSON . I am the fireman who was with the Midland train out from Moorgate Street at 6. 51 on Sunday evening—I remember when the iron bars were knocked off by the guards of the engine—I saw a chair close to the metals, as if it had been laid on and fallen off, that was about 100 yards from the iron bars—the chair is the piece of iron that holds the rails—I saw the prisoner come out from the bridge—he appeared as if he would do us all the harm he could if he could get at us.

DAVID BRYANT . I am a signalman in the employ of the Midland Rail way, in charge of a signal-box about a mile from Child's Hill station—I did not see where the iron bars were—the signal-box was between the two—I saw the prisoner that morning about 7. 45 walking up the line coming from Child's Hill towards the Finchley Road, away from the place where the mils were put—I spoke to him because I thought he had no right there, and I did not know him—the road is fenced on each side all the way along—he appeared

rather queer in his manner—I asked him where he was going, and he said "Anywhere"—I told him he had got no business there—he said he did not know, and then he asked me for 20 shillings—he did not say what for—I told him he had better get off the railroad, and he went as far as the steps of the signal-box, and asked me if I wanted to fight—I told him no, and he went into the siding, got on the buffer of a waggon, and tried to push the waggon—I asked him what his little game was—he said, "Anything" and then he came back to the box again—the policeman came down and asked if there was anyone there who had not any right—I said "Yes, there is a man here, and I can't make anything of him," and the policeman asked him his name—I don't know whether he was sober or not, he appeared queer in his manner—I told the policeman to take him to the station-master, in the mean time the station-master came down and the prisoner was given in charge.

JAMBS BISHOP (Policeman I 48). About 7. 50 on Sunday morning, 6th July, I was on duty at the bridge in Mill Lane—I saw the prisoner walking along the railway line towards Finchley station—I went to the signal box there, where the last witness was on duty—I asked the signalman if he had any right to be there—he said "No,"—I asked the prisoner what he was there for, and he said "Anything"—in the meantime the station-master came down the line and said we had better detain him in custody—he appeared very peculiar in his manners.

CHARLES RBADT . These bars produced are tools used by the men under my superintendence to raise the rails—I am a ganger of plate layers—they were left on the line on Saturday night, covered up in some grass—the railway is fenced at that part, and there is a hedge as well—this is the iron chair—there is a mark on one of the bars, as if it was struck by the guard of the wheel of the engine—I found a slight mark on the chair.

The Prisoner's statement before the Magistrate: "I have no objection to be sent for trial, if someone will be bail for me, and find me work in the meantime. Prisoner's Defence. I was excited at the time, or I should not have done anything. I shall not deny what was said; I can't remember when it was done. I was greatly excited from drinking, a few days previous.

NOT GUILTY, being insane . To be detained during Her Majesty's pleasure.

NEW COURT.—Wednesday, August 20th, 1873.

Before Mr. Baron Bramwell.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-507
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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507. ANGUS DURROCK (28) , Feloniously killing and slaying Patrick Doyle; also, on the Coroner's Inquisition, with the like offence.

MESSRS. LILLET and GOODMAN conducted the Prosecution; and MR. COOPER the defence.

JAMES KNIGHT . I am a seaman belonging to the American ship, Sir Robert Peel—on 28th June, she was lying in Shadwell basin—about 3 o'clock that afternoon, the deceased, Patrick Doyle, the prisoner, and some other seamen were in the forecastle (we had had a drink before we went aboard)—the prisoner took a bottle of rum, out of his pocket and gave it to Doyle to have a drink—Doyle took a drink and put it in his bunk—the man asked him for the bottle back, but he would not give it to him—some angry words passed between them and Ryan, and the prisoner had a fight—Ryan ought the prisoner on the cheek, and just knocked the skin off—

the fight only lasted 5 or 6 minutes—after that they shook hands, and Ryan and a man named Welch went and laid down in a bunk, the rest of us sat down on deck, I sat on the forecastle, and Doyle a yard or two from me, and the prisoner on the furthest side about three yards off—we were all dozing, and the first thing I heard was Doyle and the prisoner having a ew words—he was eating a piece of beef, and he threw a small piece of it and hit the prisoner in the eye, saying, "I will make you loom before the week is out;" "loom" is to make you climb, to go aloft—they were both ble seamen—Doyle sat there about five minutes, and the next thing I saw as Doyle leaning in a corner, like this, stooping down on his knees—I put my hand on his breast and found blood coming out—I endeavoured to stop the blood by keeping my hand upon it—the prisoner then cut me through my coat and shirt into my arm with a sheath knife, which he had in his and—it was a slight cut—he inflicted it by making a slash, and then the other men came up and knocked him down, or he would have done for me as well as the deceased—my back was turned to him, but I saw the knife in his hand—I sang out that Doyle was killed, and the other men jumped out of their bunks—me and the prisoner and McKeeghan were not in the bunks—I held Doyle in my arms and stuck to him, but the life was out of im in about three minutes, he must have died instantly; he had two cuts on his breast, and one on his side—the Thames Police came on board.

Cross-examined. We had been drinking all day before we went to the ship, at the Paddy's Goose and other public-houses—we were about half drunk—there was no one to order us to our berths when we reached the vessel—when I found Doyle, he was down on his hands and knees, about three yards from the prisoner—he never moved, I had him in my arms till he died.

By THE COURT. It is my opinion that when he was out with the knife he got up, and that they had a bit of a tussle and fell in the corner—he did not seem as if he had fallen from the seat where he had been sitting, he had got further away.

JOHN MCKEEGHAN . I am a seaman belonging to the Sir Robert Pttl—l was present on that afternoon, 28th June, about 3 o'clock, when the prisoner produced a bottle of rum and handed it to Doyle, who refused to return the bottle—after that there was a fight between Ryan and the prisoner, but they shook hands, and Ryan, O'Brien, and Welch all turned into one bunk, and Knight and me and the prisoner and Doyle remained—the prisoner sat on the same side of the forecastle as I did, and Knight and Doyle on the opposite side—after that the prisoner sat down beside me, and said a few words, I cannot say what, and Doyle threw a small piece of meat at him, and hit him on some part of his face, and said he would make him loom before he had been a week out—about four or five minutes after that, the prisoner jumped from his seat beside me, drew a knife from his body, and stabed Doyle three or four times in his neck and three or four times in his breast—Doyle then jumped up to his feet and knocked the prisoner down, and then fell on his hands and feet a little bit from the prisoner—Knight went to Doyle, took him in his arms, put his hand on the wound, and held it till the prisoner recovered and got to his feet and made another rush—I can't say whether he intended it for Knight or for Doyle, but he tabbed Knight in the arm—I left, the forecastle, and sung out "Look out, he has got a knife"—Ryan turned out of his bunk, held up his finger, and said "What are you going to do with that knife?"—I said to the second

officer, "Come on, they are murdering here"—I did not go back till the man was dead, and did not see the prisoner knocked down—at the time they were fighting, Doyle stepped in between them and said "Separate," and that he would have no fighting; he made them shake hands—I am quite sure Doyle made no rush at him before he was stabbed; he was sitting when he was stabbed.

Cross-examined. The prisoner catched the deceased by the neck with his I left hand, and stabbed him in the breast with his right, and after that the deceased rose up and knocked the prisoner down—he went a yard or yard and a half to knock him down—he did not walk that distance, the prisoner was close to him—there was a struggle and a tussle before he knocked the prisoner down—he rose up and clutched the prisoner—he did not strike the prisoner at all, he pushed him down; there was no blow—it was after the prisoner went down that the deceased went down on his knees—I saw the deceased after he was stripped; there were two wounds, but one was very slight—I a ways found the prisoner a good-tempered man, but I had never seen him till this time—I had drank with him twice—I cannot say what "loom" means; an officer on board ship, when he wants you to go aloft, makes You "loom" bnt one able-bodied sailor cannot"loom" another ablebodied sailor—I had drank some beer with them, but was not the worse for it.

Re-examined, I had known the prisoner about a week—the ship was coming down the river when this happened, and we were shifting our clothes into our bunks—we were in a state to go to work when the tug left us.

JOHN RYAN . I am a seaman, and belonged to the Sir Robert Peel—on 28th June, when she was leaving Shad well basin for sea, seven or eight of us were on the forecastle about 3 p. m., and after the rum had been produced by the prisoner to Doyle, there was a quarrel between me and the prisoner, and we struck three or four blows—I understand that Doyle endeavoured to separate us, but I do not know, as I was the worse for drink—we shook hands, and then three of us went to the same bunk—I was in my bunk a short time, and heard a man sing out "Patsey Doyle is killed"—I saw the prisoner with a knife in his hand, and asked him what he was going to do with it, he made no answer—I got a billet of wood, and rushed in, and told him to put down the knife; he said "No," and then me and Michael O'Brien and another man rushed in and knocked him down; he struggled very hard to keep the knife, but it was got from him and given to the second mate, who stood outside the forecastle and told us to fetch him out—we dragged the prisoner out, and gave him into the second mate's and carpenter's charge, who took him aft and made him fast to the main mast, and in a short time the Thames Police came on board.

Cross-examined. The prisoner was very excited—he had been drinking—all sailors carry a knife in a belt round them, for the purpose of outting rope and bread and cheese.

EDWARD WALKER (Thames Policeman 63.) On the afternoon of 28th June I was called to the Sir Robert Peel, which was going down the river—I went on board, and the carpenter gave me this knife (produced), there are red stains on it, which were then wet—I asked the carpenter what the deed was done with, and the prisoner, who was made fast to the mainmast, said "I fear I took my knife out of the sheath, and stuck it in him"—I had the knife in my hand, and he said "That is my knife; they were all beating

me"—he wanted to make a further statement, but I told him to preserve it till he got to the station—I saw the body of the deceased lying on the deck, and subsequently at the dead-house—the men all seemed to have been drinking; the prisoner did not seem any worse than the others—they were quite intelligible in their speech, but I went on board some time after the occurrence.

Cross-examined. It is usual for them to drink a good deal before going on board—when he said that he drew his knife from the sheath he did not say "He came at me," but he wanted to say more—the prisoner was smothered with blood; he had a severe cut on his head, and was bleeding fast—his two statements were not continuous, there was about a minute between them.

MATTHEW BROWNFIELD . I am divisional police surgeon, of 171, East India Road—on 28th June I saw the deceased at the dead-house in Poplar—there was a punctured wound an inch long immediately over the cartilage of the fifth rib, two inches inside the nipple; it divided the cartilage, and went completely through the heart, puncturing both ventricles, and the septum also—that would account for death, and this knife fitted into the wound—there was also a small wound at the side, which was quite superficial, it was just through the skin.

Cross-examined. In my opinion a stab like that would cause instant death—I think it probable that a man might jump up afterwards—it is a most vital part; in fact, the man was killed immediately it entered his heart—the prisoner was depressed when I saw him—he had lost a large quantity of blood—I attended to him.

Re-examined. After receiving the first stab it would be possible for him to have got up and then received the second.

COURT. Q. Did you hear Keeghan say that Doyle did not jump up and rush at the prisoner till after he was stabbed? A. Yes; but I cannot conceive it possible that he could struggle with the prisoner afterwards; he would jump up on receiving the blow, as a man who is shot does, but it would be an involuntary act.

JOHN VABLBV . I was called on board the Sir Robert Peel and saw the prisoner lashed to the mast—I took the whole of the crew to the station—when I was taking the prisoner's knife, sheath, and belt off, he said "You will hear what I shall say"—I said "If you make a statement I shall take it down and sign it"—I cautioned him that it might be used against him as evidence—this is it: (Read: "When I went on board the ship in the Shad well basin this man, John Ryan, asked me to go on the forecastle; after I got on the forecastle, Michael O'Brien and Patrick Doyle, and John Ryan pulled off his coat and struck me; the man who is dead also struck me with a lump of beef in the eye, and said ‘Before you are a week out I will fix you, 'he then made a rush at me, I drew my knife to defend myself, and I expect I struck him with the knife."

COURT to MR. BBOWNFIELD. Q. How do you describe the second wound? A. As an incised wound, quite superficial—it was 4 inches from the other wound, lower down, and more round the body—all wounds in the chest are dangerous; it was superficial, and was a sliding wound.

The Prisoner's statement before the Magistrate: "I did it in my own defence."

GUILTY .— Twenty Years' Penal Servitude.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-508
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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508. JOHN HAWKINS (49) , Feloniously killing and slaying John Vint he was also charged on the Coroner's Inquisition with the like offence.

MESSRS. POLAND and BRICKWOOD conducted the Prostcutim; and MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS the Defence.

EPHRAIM VINT . I live in Middle Row, Goswell Road—I saw the body of my son John Vint at the Fulham Workhouse; he was 19 years of age—I do not think he could swim; he was in the habit of going on the water—he belonged to St John's Rowing Club for some time.

WILLIAM BULL . I live at 57, Northampton Street, Clerkenwell—on Sunday, 27th July, about 1. 45, I and the deceased and Gregory took a pairoared boat from May's Yard, Hammersmith, and went down the river towards Putney—it was a pair-oared outrigged gig—I have been in those boats before; it is a very narrow boat, with iron rullocks extending from each side, for two to row and one to steer; there is room for a coxswain, and each of the two men has an oar—we went down the river about 100 yards past the soap works; I was steering—the soap works is not quite half a mile from the bridge; the tide was running down—Vint was rowing stroke, and Gregory bow; we were on the Surrey shore, about 20 yards from the bank—when we had got about 100 yards below the soap works, we were met by a steamer—we passed that steamer, and turned our head to the swell of the steamer—I told the rowers to lay their oars on the water, which they did, and they remained still—we had just commenced to paddle again, when we were met by another steamer; that was between 80 and 100 yards from the first—we done the same as we done when the first steamer passed us, but the swell was so great that it seemed impossible for the boat to live in it—I have not the least idea of the speed at which either of the steamers were going; the last boat seemed to be going faster than the first—I said to Gregory, "Look out, we shall have to swim for it" and he jumped overboard, and Vint jumped after him almost directly—the water came over on each side into the boat, and seemed to swallow the boat—it was the only boat just at that particular spot; there was one nearer shore, and when I was swamped I turned round and saw them with their boat in their hands; they had been swamped and had got ashore—our boat filled, but I stopped in it; it would not sink with my weight—it was 3 feet below the surface of the river—I was kneeling in the boat, she was out of sight in the part where I was kneeling; the bow end—we looked round for Vint, but could not see him—we were picked up by a skiff—I have been in the habit of going on the river for four or five years—I belonged to a club four years—the steamboat did not slacken speed when it was passing.

Cross-examined. I don't know what distance the first steamer was that passed us; it had passed 50 or 100 yards, I should think, before the other came up; not more than 100 yards—we ceased rowing and laid on before the accident—we turned our head towards the Crab Tree; not direct across the river, but in a slanting direction; that would take the swell at right angles, in the direction of the surf—I did not hear a man call out "Don't, if you can't swim," when Gregory said "Jump overboard"—I do not know Morrell—I did not see a man in a boat close by us—there were a good many boats on the river—we might have been more than 12 or 13 yards from the shore, going down with the tide—our boat filled with water, with my weight the stern went down 3 feet; the bows were out of the water—I was picked up—I did not see Gregory picked up—I did not hear Morrell say to Gregory "The accident was entirely owing to your own fault"—I saw a four-oared boat across the water—I did not see a pair-oar coming up the river—I did not know that this was a Kew steamer; I did not know what steamer it was.

By THE COURT. The swell was unusual, it seemed very great—I don't know that I ever noticed any greater—there was very little water in the river and one steamer coming up behind the other; I account for it so—they both came in the same direction towards our boat—we put her head to the first swell and rode over it, then the second steamer came along and we did the same, but the boat could not live in it; it doubled right on to the boat and broke right over it—I should say our boat was 5 or 6 inches out of the water—I could not tell for certain—there are safer and larger boats than that on the river; ours was a very narrow-boat, they go very fast.

WILLIAM ALEXANDER GREGORY . I am a sign writer, and live at 17, Graham Street, City Road—I was with Bull and Vint in this boat on Sunday, 27th July—I did not notice the first steamer that passed us a great deal, I had my back to her, rowing; I did as our coxswain ordered, laid on—when the second steamer came by I did the same, but the swell from the second steamer swamped us—I have been accustomed to the river these six years—I belong to two rowing clubs, the river was very shallow, almost down tide—I could not judge of the speed at which the steamer was going that swamped us, I did not see the least alteration in its speed—when I found the water come to my waist, I thought we had better swim; a boat like that would go from under us if it sank, and we should have had to swim—I had to kneel in the water, it was up to my waist, and I got into the water and swam—I believe the deceased did the same as I did, but I was the first to go, and of course I could not see—I daresay the gunwale of our boat was 8 inches out of the water—I have been in the same boat before, at least there are three of the same build, and I have been in one of the three, I can't say it was the same boat—the swell from the second steamer was such as I have never seen before—I saw one other boat swamped oh the same shore as us, and the skiff that picked me up had to go ashore to bale her out before we could start rowing—the boat that was swamped at the same time as us was a pair oar, something of the same description, but I don't think quite so light—I can't say how near it was to us when it was swamped, I only saw it empty and the water being baled out—the skiff that picked me up was a safer boat than ours—I daresay it would hold five persons, an ordinary pleasure skiff. By THE COURT. I account for there being more swell than usual by the water being very shallow, and the two steamers were closer together than usual—I had been out in shallow water before, but the two steamers being so close together, the one swell counteracted the other and so caused the rough water.

JAMES BROOKS . I am a warehouseman, and live in Marshall Street, Golden Square—on Sunday morning, 27th July, I was on the river between Putney and Hammersmith, rowing up in a small boat, an out-rigged gig, a sculling boat for holding one person—shortly before I reached the Crab Tree, I observed two steamers coming up, following me; I was close in the Surrey shore, rowing up, keeping out of the tide; the two steamers passed me at rather a rapid pace, and when they had passed, the water was very rough indeed, rougher than I had ever seen it before—I had much difficulty in preventing myself being swamped, I hardly know how I did, I pulled across the tide somehow—I took a quantity of water into my boat, but not sufficient to sink me—I have been accustomed to go on the river for these eight years—I did not notice whether the second steamer was much more crowded than the first—I pulled close into the Middlesex shore opposite the

Crab Tree—I then looked towards the part from which I had just come, and I saw the deceased and his two companions in a small two-pair outrigged gig, in this very rough water, and saw the water pouring in over the side—I heard Gregory say in rather a loud tone of voice, "We shall have to swim for it"—I shouted out to them, "Can you all swim, "I received no answer, and I judged that they could, but I palled towards them as fast as I could, on account of the rough state of the water—it may have been a minute before I reached them, Gregory had then reached the shore—Bell remained in the boat, which was under the water, and the deceased was drowned—I could not attempt to save him, because I could not see him; I only saw his hat floating on the water, I noticed that the steamers were going fast, too fast for the crowded state of the river; I don't know that I can give you an idea of the pace, it may have been about six or seven miles an hour, I don't think it was faster; it was not full speed, because the water was dead low, and they cannot go at full speed at dead low water—I have no doubt it must have been what they call half speed, the space between the two steamboats was over 50 yards and less than 100, I should say—I saw two or three boats on the Surrey side emptying the water out caused by the two steamers—I saw two skiffs emptying water—I could not judge how many passengers there were on board the steamer.

ROBERT WHANSLOW . I am captain of the Citizen Steamer letter "S"—I was in charge of that steamer on Sunday 27th July—I left Putney at 11.30 in the morning, and went up the river, the Citizen Steamer "E" was behind me—the prisoner was the captain; I can't say whether he was in charge of her—I saw him that morning at Cadogan Pier, Chelsea, on board that steamer, about three or four minutes before she started—he has charge of the men before the vessel starts—I should say that he was attending to his duty—he followed me in about four minutes; he was in sight—I can't say whether the captain or the mate had charge when they started—it would be the captain's duty to have charge of the vessel, unless he wanted to go below, when the mate would be in charge—I had charge of my vessel—the other steamer followed me up to Kew, about four minutes after me, a distance, I think, of about 300 yards—I was ahead of her against the soap works—it was about 11. 55 when I was at the soap works—at that time low water, we could not get to Kew before 12. 45—about 12. 20 was the time for the other vessel to be at Kew; if she had the tide with her; but that day she would not get there much before 1 o'clock—she did hot arrive at Kew before I left—I did not see her there.

GEORGE LOWE . I am the Coroner's beadle—I was present at the Inquest—the defendant was there and gave evidence—I saw him sign his deposition—(The depositions returned by the Coroner appearing to be only a copy, THE COURT, having consulted MR. JUSTICE ARCHIBALD, ruled that they could not be read.)—On the first occasion before the Coroner, the captains of other steamers were not present, and the Inquest was adjourned for their attendance to Tuesday, 5th August—I heard Robert Whanshaw, the captain of the first steamer examined, and afterwards heard the prisoner examined; he was cautioned by the Coroner and then sworn—I heard him etate that he was the captain of the second steamer, and he gave an account of the transaction, but I did not think I should have to repeat it—he said that he was acting captain in charge to navigate her.

Cross-examined. He said that he was nearly 200 yards, as near as he could guess, behind the other steamer, and that he did not notice any boat being

upset and that they were going at half speed; that he started at 1. 7, and that he was obliged to look ahead and slacken speed three times before he got to Hammersmith Bridge, on account of the number of small boats in front of him.

Witnesses for the Defence.

THOMAS RAMSDEN . I am the mate of Citizen E steamboat—the prisoner was the captain—he was in command of her on Sunday, 17th July, and was on the paddle-box all the morning, and I was on the fore part of the boat with a crocking-pole, in case we should run aground—a great many pleasure boats were about, and the water was very low; it was low water about an hour after we left Chelsea—I saw a waterman's steamer leave Chelsea Pier, we were four or five minutes ahead of her—the distance from Chelsea to Kew is about eight miles—we allow two hours for the journey on Sundays; we had a very low tide that day and it was against us—Citizen E is a flat-bottomed boat, and we were going at half-speed by the Crab Tree—the tide was running at about four miles an hour, and we were making about two miles an hour against it—we had to pull up several times between Putney and Hammersmith, on account of small boats and ground too—small boats row into the surf every day, they do it on purpose, both below and above bridge, and a boat only licensed to carry two will carry twenty, if they can get into her—I was keeping a look out the whole time, which I am bound to do at low water.

Cross-examined. We stopped several times to allow me time to knock her into deep water from the shore—the water was very low indeed—the swell made by the steamer is rather greater at low than at high water, but people differ about that—I had no idea that we had swamped a couple of boats; I only looked ahead and did not see what swell we were making—I never look behind—we followed the other steamer at about the same distance all the way—I don't know how the boat came to be swamped—I did not hear it till we returned to Putney—I heard that a man had been drowned—I did not hear that a second boat had been swamped—oar steamer was 300 yards behind the other.

WALTER ADAMS . I am now mate of Citizen P—I was on board Citizen E on this Sunday, and was at the wheel—I saw Citizen S leave Chelsea Pier and the Crab Tree 200 or 300 yards before us—a great quantity of boats were on the river that morning—it is the practice for small boats to row into the surf to get the swell of the boat, so as to rock up and down—we slackened speed four or five times between Putney and Hammersmith.

Cross-examined. We were in the middle of this river—the mate had a pole to keep us from getting aground—I had to look at the captain's hand, who was on the bridge—full speed is about four miles an hour, or a little more at spring tides, with the tide—there was a tidy few passengers on board.

THOMAS MORRELL . I am a blacksmith, of 18, Chancery Street, Hammersmith—on this Sunday I was in a pair-oared gig, between Putney Bridge and Hammersmith—I am not used to the river—the deceased's boat was following me—I saw the two steamboats, there was about twelve of their own lengths between them—as I passed the second steamer she eased, and a small boat on the opposite side had some boys in it, bathing—the deceased's boat followed me down—I saw the swell come over her, and both men jumped up in the boat, and Mr. Vint said "The best thing we can do is to jump overboard"—I said "Don't jump overboard if you can't swim"

—they jumped overboard, and the deceased never rose again—I picked Gregory out of the water, and rowed him ashore; the man who was steering was still in the boat.

COURT. Q. How came the water in the boat? A. I cannot say, but it was full of water, and the coxswain was sitting in it—they continued rowing when Citizen E came up, but I lay on my oars—I did not take any notice of the steamers.

Cross-examined. I had another man and my little boy in my boat—the boat was not swamped by a wave from the steamer at first—I was thirty or forty yards off—the gig which was swamped was five or six inches out of the water, she was heavily loaded—her head was not towards the wave, but pointed across, and the water washed over the side, they then jumped up, frightened, which rocked the boat—I did not see the other boat swamped, or see a number of people baling their boats out after the steamer had passed.

WILLIAM STUDD . I have been twenty-one years in the employ of the Citizen Steamboat Company—on 27th July I was engineer of Citizen E, and the prisoner was captain—the journey from Chelsea to Kew was begun about 11 o'clock—the speed never exceeds half-speed during the whole journey—going easy is about 111l. 2 revolutions of the paddles a minute—the paddles are 8 feet diameter.

Cross-examined. Half-speed is about 23 revolutions, and whole speed 46; easy is going as slow as you possibly can without stopping the engine—I never heard of anybody being drowned, or of boats being swamped by us before.


THIRD COURT.—Wednesday, August 20th, 1873.

Before Mr. Deputy Recorder.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-509
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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509. EDWARD HILL (31) , Feloniously having in his possession a ring of base metal, having thereupon the mark of a forged die used by the Company of Goldsmiths, and unlawfully, by false pretences, attempting to obtain from Henry Beauchamp divers moneys, with intent to defraud.

MR. METCALFE, Q.C., and MR. REECE conducted the Prosecution; and MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS the Defence.

WILLIAM WRIGHT (Detective Officer). I saw the prisoner, on Tuesday, 29th July, a few minutes after 5 o'clock, p. m., in Leadenhall Street, standing inside a ham and beef shop door—he was offering this ring (produced) to Beauchamp, a young man engaged in the shop—I was in the street, but could see distinctly what was going on—the prisoner was holding the ring, and had got one finger inside, as if pointing to something inside—there are some marks inside it—he stayed in the shop from five to seven minutes after I saw him—he then came out and walked towards Bishopsgate Street, where I spoke to him, and told him I was a police officer, and asked him what he had about him—he said "Nothing"—I said "I believe I saw you offer a ring for sale in Leadenhall Street"—he said "No, it was a friend of mine showing me a ring"—I said "I saw you put the ring into your pocket"—I took him to the station, searched him, and found this ring and two other common riugs, two duplicates, one for a pin and one for earrings—I asked him where he bought the ring—he said "I bought it from a young man for 18s."—I asked him who the young man was—he said he did not know his name or address—he afterwards said that it was a-good ring, 18 carats

—I went to Beauchamp, and be came to the station and charged the prisoner with endeavouring to obtain 24s. of him by representing the ring to be gold, and 18 carats—the prisoner then said he had not offered it for 24s., it was not gold, and he never represented it to be gold—the ring has never been out of my custody since, and I am certain it is the same.

Cross-examined. He did not say "A friend showed me the ring in Leadenhall Street, and I bought it for 18s."—he said he bought it for 18s. up in Shoreditch, about a fortnight before—I did not lose sight of him at al.

HENRY BEAUCHAMP . I am shopman at Messrs. Hart & Co.'s, 87, Leadenhall Street—I know the prisoner as a customer, that is all—he came to me on Saturday, the 26th July, and said "I have got a ring, can you do with it?" and showed it to me—I asked him what he wanted for it, he said 28s. it belongs to a young gentlemen who has got into some trouble, and got discharged from his situation. Last week he sold his watch and chain, and he now wants to sell this ring, and I am trying to sell it for him"—I laid "It seems a lot of money for it," and he said "Did you know Thomas Payne, the cashier?" and I said "I have heard of his name," and he said "He bought one like this, and gave 45s. for it, and it was not so good as this"—I said "I have heard talk of imitations, and I don't like to buy it"—he pointed out the hall mark, and said it was 18 carat gold—"Well, "I said, "I don't like to buy it; it seems so much money to part with"—I identify the ring produced as the same—he called again on Monday, the 28th, and again offered me the ring—he said "My friend has another gold watch and chain to sell, will you buy that as well?"—I said "I cannot say," and he said he would come in again to-morrow, and perhaps I should buy the two together—he came in again on the 29th—I had a customer in the shop, and he went out—he came in about 12 o'clock, and I had a customer then, and he came a third time, about 5 o'clock I think it was, and said "My friend has pledged his watch and chain and you shall have the ring for 24"."—I said "I don't like to buy it, for I don't believe it is good," or something to that effect, and he said "I will take my solemn dying oath, if I never go out of the shop alive, that it is 18 carat gold," and that he was offered 1l. 4s. for it by the landlord of a public-house in South Hackney, where the 'busses stop—he also said "If you lose this chance don't blame me, for you will never get another such a chance"—he offered to forfeit his life that it was 18 carat gold.

Cross-examined. I know the prisoner as a customer, and have seen him several times.

THOMAS HARMAN . I am assayer to the Goldsmiths' Company—I have examined this ring, it is base metal—there is not a particle of gold in it-looking inside I find "18," the letter "C," and an imitation of the crown, and another mark which is not so perfect as the other three, but I take to be the Queen's head—they are imitations of the marks which the Gold smiths' Company put on gold—they certainly have not been put on it Goldsmiths' Hall—they are counterfeit.

JOSIAH ARROWSMITH . I live at 164, Well Street, South Hackney, and know the prisoner—he has about three different times shown me rings and jewellery—I have known him seven or eight years—I cannot swear that he deals in rings and jewellery, and I do not know of his offering them to other people—on Saturday 26th July, as near as my memory goes, he called me on one side and said "I have got a bargain for you;"—I said "A bargain! what

is it, Teddy!"—he showed me a ring—I said "Teddy, I bare got one good enough for me"—he said "You can have it for 18s., you can pawn it for 1l., it will fit your finger"—I said "No, my hand is very small"—he put it on my finger and said "It will fit that perfectly"—I said, I have not sufficient money, one ring is sufficient for me"—the ring produced is something like it—I would not swear it is the same—he turned it round and pointed to the hall mark—he called it the hall mark.

Cross-examined. This is the first time I have given my evidence—I come from 164, Well Street, South Hackney, I have lived there about four and a half years—a policeman called on me and produced the same ring, or something like it, and asked me if I had seen it before—I did not know he was a policeman.

The Prisoner received a good character.


18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-510
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-511
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511. ELIZA SMITH (53) , stealing 8s., the money of George Gray, from his person.

MR. DE MICHELB conducted the Prosecution.

GEORGE GRAY . I am a stoker in the Jane Corrie, a ship lying in the Regent's Canal Dock—last Saturday I was in the Commercial Road, between 12 and 1 o'clock at night, drinking a bottle of ginger-beer at a stall, and the prisoner came up and asked for a bottle of ginger-beer, and I gave her one—I took my purse out of my pocket to pay for it, and took out a shilling—I returned the purse to my inside pocket, and put the change in my trousers pocket—there were 8s. in my purse—directly after she went away I missed my purse—I told her to turn the purse up—she said she had got none—I held her till a constable came, and gave her in charge—he afterwards showed me the purse empty.

GEORGE WEEKS (Policeman K 581). I found the prisoner detained by Gray—I charged her with stealing the purse—she said she had not got it, and it would not be found on her—after I had taken her to the station, I went back and found the purse about 20 yards from where I took her, open and empty—Gray identified it—I found 3d. on her—Gray did not seem any the worse for drink.

GEORGE GRAY (re-examined). She passed another woman before I caught hold of her—I had had a few glasses of ale during the evening.

GUILTY . She also PLEADED GUILTY** to having been before convicted in January, 1864.— Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

FOURTH COURT.—Wednesday, August 20, 1873.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-512
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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513. OLIVIA TURNER (27) , Feloniously forging and uttering a cheque for the payment of 4l. with intent to defraud.

MR. STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution; and MR. AUSTIN METCALFE the Defence. WILLIAM BIGGS PRINGLE. I am a baker, of 270, Hackney Road—on

22nd March, about 7 p.m., a woman came into my shop and asked me to give her a cheque for 4l., as her husband had returned from work too late for her to get a post-office order—I obliged her with a cheque for 4l. in exchange for four sovereigns, as she wished to remit the money into the country—I thought she was a customer—this is the cheque (produced)—on Friday, 20th March, I received my pass-book, with cheques, from the bankers—the crossing on the cheque has been erased, and the "4l." altered into "40l. "and "10d."—the prisoner is the woman—I gave a description of her to the police the same day—I was sent for on the 17th July to the police-station, and went there at about 11. 40 at night—I did not identify the woman at first; I told the sergeant I was not certain as to her—while I was speaking to him I recognised a peculiar expression of her countenance, as if she had been relieved from anxiety, and similar to that she had when in my shop; I was then certain.

Cross-examined. My daughter and the shopwoman were in the shop when the woman called—I do not know about their having an equal opportunity of seeing her—when I saw her at the station she was alone—she was called out of the room adjoining the hall and stood before me—I presume it was after I saw her that she was discharged from the police-station.

ELLEN PRINGLE . I am the daughter of the last witness—I remember the night when the woman came and had the cheque from my father; I saw her in the shop—she was there about ten minutes—she bought a loaf besides getting the cheque—on 17th July, about 2 o'clock in the afternoon, I went to the Bethnal Green police-station with Mr. Bishop, a friend of ours—three women were shown to us; I looked at them and selected one, and the prisoner is the one I selected—she is the woman, to the best of my recollection, who was in the shop and got the cheque from my father.

Cross-examined. The same day, after I had seen the prisoner, I said I would rather not be certain about her until my father had seen her.

By THE COURT. I had seen a woman pass the shop some days before, who I thought was the woman, but I did not think so afterwards.

DANIEL DA VET (Policeman). I was present on 17th July when Ellen Pringle was at the station—the prisoner was placed with two other women before her—she looked at them and picked out the prisoner without any hesitation—she was taken before a Magistrate, when Miss Pringle became very nervous, and said she would rather not have anything further to do with it until her father returned—in consequence, the prisoner was kept at the station till the father came—I was not present then—I believe he failed to identify her, and she was discharged—she was re-apprehended.

Cross-examined. I apprehended her the first time in her own house at Cold Harbour Lane—about a fortnight elapsed between her discharge and re-apprehension.

By THE COURT. I apprehended her from the description Mr. Pringle gave me—she said she was iunoceut and knew nothing about it—I did not afterwards go and try to get the shopwoman to come up.

JOHN SHAW (Police Inspector). I knew that the prisoner had been discharged—I received some further information, and went to her house a second time and apprehended her—I told her she was charged with obtaining a cheque for 4l. from the prosecutor and altering it to 40l.—she said she new nothing about it, and that it was a shame she should be taken again.

Cross-examined. I did not go to Mr. Pringle's shop for the purpose of getting the woman to give evidence—Mr. Pringle wrote to me, and I went

and fetched the prisoner—when the shopwoman came she did not identify her.

JOHN WOOD MILLER . I am a cashier at the London and Westminster Bank, Whitechapel Branch—Mr. Pringle kept an account there—on 24th March we received the cheque (produced)—I cashed it—I gave a 10l. note and cash.

CHARLES JOHN WILLIAMS . I produce this 10l. note, No. 2, 642—it has been cancelled—it has the name of Pringle upon it.


18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-514
VerdictSpecial Verdict > unknown

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514. ELIZABETH GREENWOOD (19), and WILLIAM NORRIS (54) , Feloniously forging and uttering two orders for the payment of money with intent to defraud.

MR. STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution; MR. GRIFFITHS appeared for Greenwood, and MR. HARRIS for Norris. CHARLES HALLE. I am a professor of music at Mansfield Street, Portland Place—on 27th April a woman came to my house—I do not identify her—she told me that her father, Mr. Clegg, had had a place of business in Oxford Road, and that she being employed in Eennington Park Road had for some time supported him; that he had been a great invalid for some time, and she had sent him to Torquay for his health; that it had become absolutely necessary for him to leave Torquay the next day, and that being Sunday, she had called upon me to ask me if I would give her a cheque for 8l. in exchange for gold, as it was too late for her to obtain a post-office order to remit him money to enable him to travel—I gave her this cheque (produced), and she gave me eight sovereigns—it has been altered from "8" to "80"—I cannot say that I knew a Mr. Clegg; I know so many people, but the name was familiar to me.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. I am quite positive that this is the woman—I was always as positive as I am to-day—I mean that I recognise her—I did not sign my name to my depositions at Guildhall, they were brought to my house—I think they were read over to me again before I signed them, but not in the presence of a Magistrate—I did not attach any importance to the actual reason for which the girl wanted the money.

HENRT HURRELL . I am butler to Mr. Charles Halle—I recollect the prisoner coming to my master's house on 27th April—she came on Saturday morning first, and again in the evening—I have no doubt whatever that this is the woman—I went to Leeds with Detective Scott and identified her there.

THE REV. EDWARD GODDARD . I am a clergyman of the Church of England—many years ago I was Vicar of Sydenham—on the 1st May the prisoner came to my house late in the afternoon—she said that I was well acquainted with her family when she lived at Sydenham—she gave the name of Apps—there was a family there of that name and is still—she said her father was very ill at Torquay, that she must send him a sum of money without delay, that the Post Office hours for the distribution of orders was past, and she could not get an order that day—this cheque for 8l. (produced) was given to her by my nephew—she paid me in exchange eight sovereigns—the "8" is now changed to "80."

REV. EDMUND HOLLAND . I am a clerk in holy orders, and reside at Hyde Park Gardens—I keep an account with Messrs. Gosling and Sharpe, bankers—on 5th May the prisoner came to my house about 5 o'clock—she said that her name was Reynolds and that she was related to a family of

that name living in the neighbourhood of Saxmundham, that being the neighbourhood in which I resided, and that her father was James Reynolds, brother to a miller—that her father was to leave Harrogate next morning, and she was at a loss how to convey to him 8l., and asked me if I would give her a cheque for 8l.—I gave her this cheque (produced)—it has been altered to 80l. without my authority.

Cross-examined. I have not added anything to-day to what I said before the Magistrates—I do not think they took everything down I said I signed my deposition in Court before the Magistrate at Guildhall—I cannot remember whether they read the deposition over to me from a book or a paper.

THOMAS BUTLER BOTLET . I recollect the woman coming to my master's house on the 5th May—I introduced her to Mr. Holland—the prisoner is the woman.

HENRY TURNER . I am cashier to Messrs. Scott and Co., of Cavendish Square, bankers—on 20th April, 1873, this cheque (Mr. Halle's) was brought to our bank—I paid it in a 50l. bank note, No. 81, 928, and gold for 30l.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. I know it was paid to a man, but I do not know who.

WILLIAM KERSTING . I am a cashier at Messrs. Gosling & Sharpe's, of Fleet Street, bankers—Mr. Holland keeps an account there—on 8th May I had some Communication with him, and on the morning of the 9th May the prisoner Norris brought this cheque in his name, drawn on the 5th—I inquired where he got it from—he said from a tallish man on the Exchange, and that he expected to find him on the Exchange when he got back—we communicated with the police, and he was given in custody.

HENRY TOWNSON . I am cashier to Messrs. Herries & Co., St. James's—Mr. Goddard keeps an account with us—I cashed this cheque for 80l. with a note, No. 9,034.

JAMES HAM (City Detective). On the 9th May I was called to Messrs. Gosling's bank—I saw Norris there, and asked him where he got the cheque from—he said a gentleman on the Royal Exchange had given it to him and told him to go to Gosling & Sharpe's bank, Fleet Street, and get it cashed, and he was to bring the change back to the Royal Exchange—I asked him if he knew who the gentleman was, and he said no, he did not—I asked him if he ever saw the gentleman before—he said not that he was aware of—I took him to the station, and found on him a knife, a key, and this canvas bag—he said the gentleman had given him the bag to bring the change back in.

Cross-examined by MR. HARRIS. He gave his right address.

GEORGE SOOTT . I went with Hurrell to Leeds, where I apprehended Greenwood—I told her she would be charged with others with forgery, and uttering a cheque for 80l. with intent to defraud Sir Samuel Scott, of Cavendish Square—she made no reply—on the way to London, Hurrell and she were in conversation, and she turned sharply to him and said, "My husband knows nothing about these cheques; I got them from a man who I had been introduced to, and met in the street by appointment; he gave me the money, and told me to go and try and get the cheques, and what to say; I got very little out of them"—I then said "There are several charges, or will be, against you"—she said "I only know of Mr. Halle and Mr. Hollands"—I brought her to London and charged her.

GEORGE SCOTT (re-examined). Greenwood's husband, I understand, is at Manchester, awaiting his trial at the Assises there—she was staying at Leeds with her husband's father.

WILLIAM KERSTING (re-examined). When Norris presented the cheque to me I asked him how he wanted it, and he said 50l. in notes, and 30l. in gold.

Norris received a good character.

GRIFFITHS contended that there was no case to go to the Jury against Greenwood; there was no evidence that she forged the cheques, and there was abundant evidence that she did not utter them, they having been uttered by a man.

THE COURT considered that there was some evidence of her being on accessory before the fact, and left the case to the Jury. GUILTY .

GRIFFITHS then contended that there was not justified in finding this verdict, as Greenwood only appeared to have been guilty of attempting to obtain money by false pretences, and THE COURT received the point for the considered of the Court of Criminal appeal.

NEW COURT.—Thursday, August 21, 1873.

Before Mr. Baron Bramwell.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-515
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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515. CHARLES TYRRELL (48) , Feloniously killing and saying Ann Tyrrell. He was also charged, on the Coroner's Inquisition, with the like offience.

MR. COOPER conducted the Prosecution.

ALICE MINTING . I am single, and live at 13, Harp Alley—I knew Ann Tyrrell, the prisoner's wife—on 21st July I went to inquire how she was; the prisoner was there, far gone in drink—I left the room and was called back again; as I went in she called out "Oh, Charley you brute"—she complained of her back, but motioned to me not to take any notice—the prisoner was lying on the bed, with his clothes on, and his knees to her back; he forced his knees into her back, and she cried—I thought he did it on purpose; I then left—I had frequently been at the house before; she has complained of late of feeling very ill—she was pretty well till this last year or so, she suffered with her chest—they lived at No. 16, four doors from me.

MARY ANN BENSON . I live at 125, Fleet Street—I was in the prisoner's service three years and nine months; I left nine weeks before my examination—they occupied a shop and parlour in Harp Alley—I went home to sleep—on the day before I left the prisoner hit his wife in the face with his clenched first—he always hit her with his clenched flot, never with his hand,—he did that very often indeed, and the effect sometimes was black eyes—when he struck her they had sometimes been having words, and sometimes he wanted money and she would not give it to him—sometimes he was sober, and sometimes he was drunk for weeks together—I remember thier having a few words when he was quite sober, and he took a piece of a bed stead off a nail, and was going to hit her over the head with it, but I took it from him, and said "What are you going to do?"—he told me to go away and not interfere in a man and wife quarrel—he has sometimes told me that I should find her in a mess in the morning, and sometimes I should find her dead—she used to cry, and say "Oh Charlie, don't."

Prisoner. Not half of that is true. Witness. It is all true; I have seen you strike her when you were sober, and you have beaten ber for not having the debts in.

COURT. Q. What is he? A. A fishmonger and a waiter—the piece of bedstead always hung up in the shop—I believe she was forty-three or fortyfour; they had no children.

JOHN WEBBER (City Policeman 431). I have known the prisoner, and his wife for more than four years—previous to 25th July I was on duty there eleven months—I was called into the shop about twelve months ago; the prisoner was standing outside the shop with a chopper in his hand, and his wife said "Policeman, my husband is murdering me"—I told him he was no man to beat his wife in that way—he said "You be do and walked in and shut the door—she would not give him into custody—I have often seen her locked out on a cold winter night, from 10 at night till 6 in the morning—I did not see her all the night because she was sleeping on the stairs, but the street door is always open, and the policeman generally looks in in the morning—on one occasion I woke her up at 6 in the morning—it was cold and draughty on the stairs.

Prisoner. Q. Did you see her on the stairs more than once? A. Sever al times.

ALICE WHEELER . I live at 10, Rolls Buildings, Fetter Lane—I was in the prisoner's service four weeks; I left six weeks ago next Wednesday—on 13th July I saw my mistress lying in bed, the prisoner was lying by her side—she spoke to him, and he got up and punched her several times on her head with his fist—they were hard Mows—she said "Oh, Charlie, don't I"—I said "Mr. Tyrrell, you ought to be ashamed of yourself"—he did not answer—he hit her just over the ear, with his clenched fist, several times—they were lying on the bed, but not undressed—at another time I saw him hit her under the left ear, in the parlour, and I saw him kick her on the hip once when she was behind the counter serving—there was no one in the shop—she halloaed—he was the worse for liquor.

Prisoner. Her word is not to be taken, she has a bad character, and cannot keep her situations.

Witness. My father fetched me away because of your foul language.

THOMAS EVINDEN (City Policeman 449). I have known the prisoner four years, and have been at intervals on duty in his neighbourhood—I have seen his wife locked out at 7 or 8 o'clock in the morning—she was disfigured about the face and eyes, her face was bandaged up, and her nose bleeding—I have often seen her with black eyes.

WILLIAM OLDHAMPSTEAD (City Policeman 409). I had known the prisoner and his wife for about five weeks prior to her death—on 5th July, at 11 o'clock at night, I saw the prisoner outside his house, drunk—I requested him to go in—he went in and flew at his wife, said it was her fault, and knocked her down behind a chair in the shop—she refused to give him in custody.

EDWARD ARTHUR . I am a cheesemonger, of 75, Leather Lane—I served the prisoner and his wife up to the time of her death—on the day before she died I heard something, went down, and saw her lying on the bed, and he was whacking her and thumping her with his double fist on her chesthe said "Get up and open the shop"—this was just before 10 at night—I do not know whether she got up; I went away, as I was afraid he might collar me, I had no business there, I was on another errand—they owed my master 5l. and I went for it on the Saturday night; the prisoner came in drunk, with a pipe in his mouth, and hit his wife twice on her mouth with his fist; he next struck her across the mouth and teeth with the steel that

he sharpens the knives on—she fell down, and said to me "Oh dear, there's a brute"—I said "Why don't you lock him up?"—she said "He is better when he is sober"—this Saturday was four weeks before she died—I got the money and left, and I took the things on Sunday morning, and she showed me her apron where he had punched her nose, and she opened her dress, and said "Look here where he hit me," and showed me her breasts, which were very much bruised.

FREDERIC WILLIAM WILSON , B. M. I am a surgeon, of 31, Ludgate Hill I have attended the deceased since August, 1871; she died on 2nd July this year—I have frequently seen marks of violence on her head, arms, and neck—I attended her for shortness of breath, that was her principal oomplaint; she was in general ill health—I made a post-mortem examination of her body, and found bruises on her left breast, left shoulder, and left hand, an abrasion on her left shin, and a bruise on her right hip—the bruises were not severe; the abrasion on the left shin was the worst, the skin was torn off—I opened her body; disease of the right lung was the primary cause of deith, and there was disease of the liver, with jaundice—that was not connected with the disease of the lungs—I have not the least doubt that treatment such as I have hearoj would accelerate her death, diseased as she was; it was hastened by ill usage.

By THE COURT. She died from absolute exhaustion, asthemia—the right lung was totally disorganised, and I should imagine that the heart was very weak—there was regular want of power, and in such a state she would require to be kept perfectly quiet, and to be attended carefully, and not to have any hardships or knocking about, whioh would be certain to expedite death by aggravating the disease, by calling on the diseased organs to do more than they would have to do, and by shocking the nervous system—I have cautioned the prisoner two or three times, and told him that if he ill used his wife in the way he did he would get into a scrape, but he was generally so drunk that I don't think he understood me.

Prisoner's Defence. I did not kill my wife; she has been ill for years, and unfortunately she indulged in drink. Dr. Mumford attended her when she died, and Mr. Wilson was very muoh annoyed at that, whioh has caused the present inquiry.

Witnesses for the Defence.

FANNY COX , I am the deceased's sister—there were two marks on her wrists, which I may have done in lifting her, and the other marks I may have made when I put my arms round her to lift her when she was in a fainting fit—my mother and her brothers all died of jaundice, and my father died of asthma and consumption—I was there all the while, and never saw the prisoner ill-use my sister, nor has she complained of it to me—her age was, I think, forty-four, and I am fifty-one.

Grose-examined. I saw a bruise under her breast, but I had more bruises than she had, for as I lifted her up she put her arms across me—J cannot say that the bruises were from my hands, but they were very small, and there was a small scratch on her left shin—I don't know how that was done—I did not see other bruises on her body—I did not particularly look for them—I clothed her before she went to her coffin, but I was overcome with sorrow—I visited her four or five times a year, and she never complained of the prisoner's treatment—I once saw her with a black eye, and asked her how she got it—she said "Oh, he was swinging his hand, and did it; don't stop long;" but she did not say why, only that my time was precious—she

was a kind wife and sister, but when she had had a drop she was aggravating—I did not go to see her after, because I am employed at a bookfolder's, where I have worked for 21 years—I am only allowed an hour for my dinner, and I had to walk from Aldersgate Street, and be back by 2 o'clock.

COURT. Q. Did you attend her in her last illness? A. She sent forme on the Sunday afternoon, and I went and stayed with her till she died—the witness Minting came to see her, and the prisoner was the worse for drink—he got rather obstreperous, and I asked Minting to speak to him because she had more influence over him than I had—he had had a drop to drink, and was lying towards the window—he had hiccough, and kept drawing his feet up towards her back—she said "Keep Charles quiet, if you can," and I sent my little girl for Alice Minting—my sister said "Oh, Charlie, don't," and I pulled his feet straight—J cannot recollect her words, or whether she called him a brute—my husband lives with me—I have not kept the prisoner's house since my sister's death, she was buried on the Saturday, and the business was sold on the Monday morning—I never heard of my sister being locked out all night, only what the neighbours say since her death.

RICHARD MUMFORD . I attended the prisoner's wife till she died—I saw no mark about her—she died from internal causes, as far as I could see.

Cross-examined. I attended her for three days before her death—she was in a dying state when I first saw her—I examined her from her stomach up to her throat, for typhoid fever spots—if she had had a slight bruise a fortnight previously it would have passed away—she was rather in a consumptive state, and therefore she would have perspirations which would get rid of slight ecchymosis—I was not present at the post-mortem—B. M. is a high degree in London.

COURT. Q. How came you to attend her? A. I have attended her some years, I attended her in her only confinement, and the child died—I do not know whether she or her husband sent for me—she seemed to expect me, she recognised me—I consider that she died from exhaustion, produced by profuse diarrhoea, what Mr. Wilson terms asthemia—diarrhoea is a common thing in consumption—I have not heard the evidence of ill-treatment and shutting her out in the cold; if there had been such ill-treatment, of course it would accelerate death—I saw no marks on her, but I only examined the front part of the body—I examined her bosom—I was looking for red spots, and the bruises might have escaped my notice.

F. M. WILSON (re-examined). She had no diarrhoea on any occasion that I attended her—hearing that she had diarrhoea does not alter my opinion that she died from disease of the lungs—I think that might be a concomitant of the other—if she had had attention and kindness, I think she would have lived till now, and it is very probable she would have lived a year.

COURT to MRS. COX. Q. Do you know Arthur the cheesemonger 1 A. No, but I have seen him here—he was not at my sister's house the night before she died—my sister got up and dressed herself on Monday morning, and Mr. Mumford was sent for—you have got if down right that I went there on Monday as she died on the Friday, just before 10 o'clock—I was sitting by the side of my sister on the Monday night, and I never saw Arthur there at all—my little girl was with me.

EDWARD ARTHUR (re-examined). There was not a soul there when I went in.

GUILTY Five Year's Penal Servitude.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-516
VerdictNot Guilty > non compos mentis
SentenceImprisonment > insanity

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516. JOHN AITKIN (70) , Feloniously wounding Margaret Ross, with intent to murder. Second Count—with intent to do grievous bodily harm.

MR. GLYN conducted the Prosecution.

ANNIE AITKIN . I live at 10, Back Hill, Hatton Garden, and am the prisoner's daughter—on the morning of 30th May, about 8 o'clock, I was in my bedroom with my little cousin, Margaret Ross, twelve years old—I sent her down stairs—I could not see my father at the time, but he was on the stairs, and she was playing towards him—I saw her bend forward, and thought she was going to jump on my father's back—I did not see what he did, but I heard her cry out "Annie, Annie!"—I went towards her, and saw my father as though he was fighting or pushing away something from im, and making a horrible noise with his mouth—I did not see anything in his hand—I caught the child and pressed her to me, and saw blood on my arm—I called my mother and caught my father by the neck, and pushed him down the stairs—he had been drinking a little, and did not seem right in his mind—he had been in bed all night—I think this might ave been an accident; he has been such a kind disposition all his life—he is a cabinet-maker by trade; he was very fond of the child and she of him; she loves him—she has been to see him in prison and kissed him there—she would go to him now—(The child was brought into Court and readily went to the prisoner and kissed him).

ELIZA HORAGAN . I am the wife of John Horagan, and live in the same house as the prisoner—about 8 o'clock on the morning of 30th May I saw the prisoner struggling between his wife and daughter on the landing—he had a razor iu his hand—I took it from him and gave it to the constable—I saw a wound on the child's neck—he seemed very much excited—I thought he was going mad—he always seemed very affectionate to the child and the child to him.

JAMBS HALE (Policeman G 203). I was called in—I received a razor from the last witness—I found the prisoner sitting in a chair by the side of the fire, quite quiet—he seemed to be in very low spirits—I charged him, and he never answered—I know he is deaf, but he heard me.

REGINALD EDWARD WORMALD BREWER . I am house-surgeon at St. Bartholomew's Hospital—the child was brought there on 30th May—she had a blanched look from loss of blood from the wound—it was two-thirds of an inch long on the right side of the neck; it was dangerous—she might have bled to death—it was such a wound as might be caused by a razor—the child is quite well now—it had cut the external jugular vein—in so young a child it would not require much strength to sever its head from its body.

The Prisoner handed in a statement that he had been suffering from nervous depression, which had driven him to drink and to meditate self-destruction; that what he did was in a state of unconsciousness, he having no malice whatever towards the child.

He received a good character.

NOT GUILTY on the ground of insanity . To be detained during Her Majesty's pleasure.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-517
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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517. JOHN HARTNELL (33) , Feloniously killing and slaying Henry Le Count.

MR. DOUGLAS conducted the Prosecution; and MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS

The Defence. AMELIA LONG. I am a widow, and live at 8, Reeves' Mews, South

Audley Street—on Friday, 1st August, I saw the prisoner in the mewshe is coachman to Lady Hopetown—the deceased used to help in the stable—about 3 o'clock I saw the prisoner throw a pail of water over Le Count, who went into the stable, and shortly afterwards came out with his clothes on his arm; the prisoner struck him on the side of his head, but I don't know why, and he fell on the other side of his head, which came in contact with the stones—the prisoner then tried to lift him but he could not, and he dragged him into the stable, as he could not get up.

Cross-examined. I was at my window over the washhouse—I did not see John Clark there; he lives at the next house—I did not see a man named Brindle, he had gone out with the carriage—I have lived there over thirty years.

JOHN CONLEY . I am a coachman, and live at 7, Reeves' Mews—I saw the deceased come out of the passage, the prisoner who was behind him seemed to shove him out with his knee or foot into the mews; the prisoner walked in at the door and said "If you come over this threshold you will see what I will do to you"—the deceased said "Well, pay me my money"—he said "No, you b----, well summons me for it"—the deceased said something in answer, I could not hear what, and the prisoner came out and struck him somewhere on the side of the temple with his open hand—he fell violently, and the prisoner picked him up in his arms, and took him into the stable, sent Clark for a cab, helped him into it, and sent him to the hospital—I did not see Clark there at the time—I must have seen him if he was outside the stable.

Cross-examined. If he was inside I should not see him—I was at the window, just near enough to tell whether the deceased was drunk—I did not hear the prisoner say "Come when you are sober, and I will pay you," or the deceased reply "If you don't pay me I will pay you"—when the prisoner picked the deceased up he dropped down again—I did not see a pail of water thrown; that was before I saw anything.

ANN LOVEGROVE . I am the wife of Henry Lovegrove, a coachman, of 7, Reeves' Mews—on Friday, 1st August, I was looking out of my first-floor window, and saw the prisoner throw some water over the deceased, who took his hands and switched it off—the prisoner said something I could not hear, and the deceased went into the stable, and after he had been there a moment the prisoner seemed to run him out with his knee and the back of his collar—the deceased stood for a moment or two, and held his hand out as if asking for something, and then I heard the prisoner say "Summons me for it"—he still stood there, and the prisoner said something which I could not hear, and struck him with his open hand on the left side of his head, and he fell—a cab was fetched and the prisoner helped him in.

JAMBS GODFREY THRUPP . I am house surgeon at St. George's Hospital—on 1st August the deceased was brought there suffering from compound fracture of both bones of his right leg, and a wound on the outer side of his right eyebrow, about three-quarters of an inch long, leading down to the covering of the bone, but not exposing the bone—he was sober and sensible, but after three or four days he became delirious, and remained so till the 7th August, when he died—there was a post-mortem examination—he died from exhaustion, following on inflammation at the base of the lungs, and delirium tremens—in an injury of that kind it is common to have delirium tremens where a man has been a drunkard, because the system is so lowered by alcohol that as soon as he is knocked down he cannot recover—I found

inflammation of the lungs, which is not uncommon when a person has had an injury, and has been a drunkard, and lying on the back is a common cause of it.

Cross-examined. I have every reason to believe that the inflammation of the lungs did not exist prior to the accident—I have never known a man to die from a first attack of delirium tremens—a severe injury is very likely to sober a man who is drunk—I smelt him of drink, recent, I should say—he told me that he had fallen down, pushing a carriage, and he subsequently told me he had been knocked down.

Re-examined. Not believing his first account, he gave me a different account afterwards, but he did not give me the particulars.

ARTHUR GAMMON (Policeman C 297.) I took the prisoner and told him the charge—he said "I have done nothing to the man."

Witnesses for the Defence.

JOHN CLARK . I live at 46, Reeves' Mews, and am stableman to Lady Hopetown, and the prisoner was head coachman—the deceased was a washer, and had been there three months—I was in the stable on this day, and gave the head coachman an order—the brougham was not ready, and the deceased was drunk—the prisoner said to him "Go away, you are useless to me; I will get another man to do your work"—he said "Pay me my wages"—the prisoner said "Come when you are sober, and I will pay you"—the deceased followed him into the passage, and said "If you don't pay me I will pay you"—I was about three yards in front of him—the prisoner said "You tell me you will pay me, do you!" and gave him a push, not a blow; and he caught him by the head and shoved him out, and he fell on the stones and cut his eyebrow and broke his leg—the deceased was drunk, and not in a fit state to be in the stable, or to wash the brougham—the prisoner sent for a cab, and assisted the deceased into it, and told me to take him to the hospital.

Cross-examined. This was in a passage thirteen yards long, from the mews into the stable—I saw no water thrown—I had been with the deceased all day in the mess-room, and saw he was drunk—he was so muddled with drink from the first thing in the morning that he could not do one thing or another—I did not see Amelia Long that day, or Lovegrove; it was impossible for them to see into the stable.

COURT. Q. Who hires the helpers? A. The head coachman, and he discharges them.

JOSEPH BUNDY . I am second coachman to Lady Hopetown—I saw the deceased messing the carriage about; he was not washing it, and the prisoner said "You will spoil the best carriage in the world"—the deceased said "I have washed as many carriages as you have, and will wash a carriage with anybody"—the prisoner said "If you don't get away, I will throw the water on the oarriage myself, "because the sun was on it—he threw a pail of water on the near hind wheel, and another on the off hind wheel, and another on the panel, and the water from the back panel splashed on the deceased.

Cross-examined. I know John Clark; he was not there when the water was thrown, but I went away to get my whip—the deceased was the worse for drink, arid had been for nine or ten days.

The prisoner received a good character.


THIRD COURT.—Thursday, August 21st, 1873.

Before Mr. Deputy Recorder.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-518
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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518. JOHN MAYNARD (38) , Stealing eight bales of hide pieces, the property of the London and St. Katherine's Docks Company, his employers.

MESSRS. BESLEY and GRAIN conducted the Prosecution; and MR. HARRIS the Defence.

CHARLES ROUNDTREE . I live at 7, Princes Street, Haggerstone, and am a labourer in the service of the St. Katherine's Dock Company—on 19th June I was at work on the fifth floor of "D "warehouse with two other men, Orange and Brown—the prisoner was delivery foreman—about 2 o'clock he took me down to "D "warehouse, on the second floor—he took me through "H" room into "F" room—he took me in the corner, and told me to load up four small parcels standing against the wall—I put them on to the truck, and Orange and Brown trucked them into "H" room—I afterwards went into "H" room—they were bales of hide pieces—I saw the prisoner standing at the loophole—there was a van beneath—I did not see the four bales taken off the truck—I was told to load up some more bales—I did not see the bales afterwards—I then had further instructions from the prisoner to load up some more bales, but whether bales of hide or bales of gunny I am not certain—the truck-man took them to the loophole—the prisoner ordered me to go into "F" room again, and load up some more bales from the corne; they were hide pieces—Orange and Brown trucked them to the loophole—the prisoner then told me to load up some more bales, which were gunny this time—they were standing opposite the loophole—the prisoner then told me to load up some more bales, and I went up into "F" room and loaded up one or two more bales of hide pieces—the prisoner did not then say anything to me about a small bale—I loaded up some more bales of gunny after that—he then told Orange to load up a small bale which stood behind a box in "H" room—it was then loaded up, trucked to the loophole, and lowered to Mr. Maynard, who stood at that time in the van—all the gunny that I loaded came from the "F" room to the loophole, and all the hide pieces, with the exception of the small bale I have spoken of, came from the corner of "F" room—the distance from the "H" loophole to the corner in "F" room I should say is thirty yardsafter we had finished the delivery the prisoner told me to go up again to the fifth floor, where I saw him again soon after—he called me on one side as soon as I entered the door, and said to me "Round tree"—I said "Yes Sir"—he said "I think Mr. Nicholas has found out about some hide pieces being in the van, if he should say anything to you about it would you say that you have made a mistake. I can easily get you out of it, or make it all right with you; I can easily get you out of it by saying it was my mistake in not telling you where they were"—I said "All right, Sir"—he said "Will you tell Orange and Brown the same?—I walked towards the men, who were at work, and he followed me and walked up to them—I said "You can tell them yourself'—he then told them similar to what he told me—I then went to work again on the fifth floor—I soon after saw Mr. Nicholas, the warehouse keeper, and the prisoner together—Mr. Nicholas said to me "Do you know what you are doing?"and I said "Loading up some bales of gunny I believe, Sir"—he said "Are you sure of that?"—I said "Yes, Sir"—he said "Will you give me your name and address, please?"—I said "Yes, Sir," and he took it down—then he took me across the yard, and

said "Do you think that these are boles of gunny?"—I said "Well, I am sure I don't know, Sir, for I never see any of them packed; I have not worked here very long. I know they are all packed on the second floor; they might be hide pieces and gunny together for what I know"—after that I was sent up to my work—the bales that he showed me were those that I had just been loading; they were not in the van but in the yard—I was called down again after that to see Mr. Nicholas; Mr. Cox was there, and the prisoner was present—Mr. Cox, I believe, is the superintendent—Mr. Nicholas said "Here is the young man that loaded them up"—Cox then asked me where I loaded them from, and I told him—he said "What made you go into that room?"—I said "Knowing there were some small bales there; Mr. Maynard called out for a small sized bale, I suppose to make the load up or make them lie right, or something, and I went in there because they would be small"—then I took him up stairs and showed him where I loaded them from—when the bales were being loaded up I saw that they were hide pieces, but I told that lie to Mr. Nicholas and Mr. Cox to get the prisoner out of trouble as I thought—the following morning I told the exact story as it really happened.

Cross-examined. I told a lie—I have been in the employ of the St. Katharine's Docks Company since the 9th January, this last time—I am an off man, paid off every night—I am merely a labourer, and have been off sometimes during that period—I told the lie, thinking that by getting the prisoner out of trouble, I should stand a better chance of work, as my work rests with the foreman—I may have used the word "parcels" to-day and before the Magistrate for "bales"—they were like the other bales—both the prisoner and the truck-man told me to load up more bales—it is impossible sometimes to tell who gives a particular order, for there is a great deal of hurry in loading these things, and we have to do it very quickly—there are perhaps 50 or 60 bales of gunny or hide in each room at a time, and sometimes three or four jobs going on at once—the prisoner was not giving directions for three or four different jobs at the same time on the same floor—he was doing at least two jobs at the same time—he told Orange once, in my presence, to go and load up some more bales of hide pieces, and I believe I said that before the Magistrate—there might be three or four men working together, and the foreman might tell one man to tell another to do so and so—I had not the least idea there was anything wrong—I had no occasion to think so—mistakes might occur, but I never knew of such a mistake as that—the whole thing present to my mind was that he had 'made a mistake, and that it would be settled in a short time—what I told Mr. Nicholas, that I had never seen any bales packed, was quite true—hides smell very bad—there is no such smell about gunny—if packed side by side, the gunny might partake of the bad smell.

Re-examined. When the delivery foreman is delivering, he ought to be at the loophole—they were all one delivery—some were from "H" room—he never left the loophole—I did not know the difference between hide and gunny, and acted as I did to screen the prisoner.

By MR. HARRIS. He took us down on the second floor and told two of us to get trucks—he did not say "Fetch up to loophole them bags"—he took me into "F" room, and told me to "Fetch up to the loophole them bales."

EDWARD ORANGE . I am a labourer in the employ of the Dock Company—on 19th June I was at work in the "D" warehouse with Brown and

Charles Round tree—about 2 o'clock that afternoon the prisoner came up on the fifth floor, where we were, and took us down on the second floor to the "H" room first, and into the "F" room afterwards—! was ordered to get a truck and load up those bales or bags of hides against the wall—I believe the prisoner and a lot of us went into the "F" room, and he pjinted out the bags there, and I trucked some up to the loophole—when I got to the loophole the prisoner was there to receive them—they were then put iuto the van underneath—there were other bales near the loophole bales of gunny—after some bales were put into the van, I was ordered to load up in "H" with gunny, and I took the gunny to the loophole—to the best of my recollection I was told to go into "F" room, and load up a single bale or bag, which I took to the loophole—then I returned to "H" room and trucked a small bale or bag of hide which stood behind a box in the corner of the room—the prisoner, I believe, was in the van, standing in the dock or hollow place, and other bales of gunny were trucked and put into the van afterwards, and when the loading was finished we returned to our usual work—I have no idea how long the loading lasted—I saw the prisoner after we returned to the fifth floor—he said something to Roundtree and then oame to me and said, "If Nick says anything to you," meaning Mr. Nicholas, "about the hide, say you know nothing about it"—I said "All right"

Cross-examined. I was to have no money for this—when I told Mr. Nicholas I did not know what I had trucked, that was an untruth—we all three told lies to screen our foreman, and got discharged for it—I afterwards went and made a statement and told the truth, because I was out of employment, for the purpose of being taken on there again, not to belie the prisoner or anybody.

Re-examined. I went and told the truth the next morning to get rid of the effect on my character, as I thought afterwards it would look very black against us all.

THOMAS BBOWN . I am a labourer in the employ of the London St Katherine's Dock Company, and live at 6, Church Road, Stepney—on 19th June I was at work on the fifth floor of "D" warehouse, and was fetched down by the prisoner to the second floor—he told me to go into "F" room and load up—Roundtree loaded up, and I trucked them to the "F" loophole—I then went to the gunny by the "H" loophole"—I did not truck any of that—after I brought the bales of hide up, I was ordered to go and cut a dozen yards of rope—I then trucked some of the gunny by the "H" loophole, and then returned to the first floor—we left the prisoner in the yard—I afterwards saw him speak to Roundtree, and he then said to me "1 believe Mr. Nicholas has found out about the hide being along with the gunny, and if anything should he said to you, say you made a mistake, "

EDWARD CHESTER . I am an extra labourer, sometimes employed at the docks—on 19th June, I was at work in the "D" warehouse—there were bales of gunny, &c, close to the "H" loophole—I was present when the bales were weighed, some time previously—the delivery foreman is the person to take down the weight—rthe whole of the gunny was trucked through the trap door on to the second floor, and placed inside the loophole—whilst the bales were being placed in the van, I went to the loophole, looked out and saw the prisoner iu the van—about twelve or thirteen bales properly stowed would make the first tier in the van—the prisoner was

placing one of the bales in the van, with the carman—I did not watch the other bales put in the van—I went back and resumed my work, and saw some more bales being loaded up against "H" loophole—I heard the prisoner call out to some one, "Go and fetch some small bales out of "F"—I then saw the prisoner jumping on the top because the corner would not go down—more gunny was then trucked towards the loop-hole—I afterwards told the prisoner that Mr. Nicholas had been calling after him—he told me that the b----fools had put the wrong bales in the van—I said "What is the use of saying that when I heard you tell the men where to go and get them from?"—he said nothing, but walked away—I was present when Mr. Nicholas questioned the prisoner, and heard him ask how he came to make such a mistake, and the prisoner said he did not know he had committed one—Mr. Nicholas told him that he must have sent his men into "F" for them, and he said the men went in for them—I saw him go in "F" on that occasion—I saw the first bale come out with the prisoner alongside of it—he did not go into "F" again.

Cross-examined. When he was charged with the matter, he said it was the fault of his men—When he said "Those b----fools," it was in his conversation with me—that meant those three men—I did not say Mr. Nicholas was about the yard—he might have been about the building—I did not see Mr. Nicholas—the conversation took place with Mr. Nicholas, I should think half an hour after the van had been unloaded—I did not hear the prisoner say to Mr. Nioholas that it was the fault of his own men, and not his fault that they went into "F" room—Mr. Nioholas said "How could you make such a mistake when the gunny bales were in 'U', and the hides in 'F', you must have sent your men to 'F' to have got them?"—the prisoner said "I did not know my men went into 'F' for them"—I have been in there twelve or thirteen years—I have never been in prison—I recollect paying 40s. fine for fighting—I paid the fine and went down to the prison, but as the fine was paid I was liberated—I have never been in any other trouble—I have worked at "C" warehouse, but was never discharged—Mr. Goodwin was warehouse-keeper—I never got into disgrace with him or anybody else—I have been employed there many times since—I have never been intimate with the prisoner; we have always agreed pretty well—I don't recollect any quarrel—I have not been promoted since I have been there—I should not think if I were promoted that I should be foreman—it would not be my ultimate object, I should not wish to step into the prisoner's shoes.

Re-examined. The prisoner was on the second floor "H" when I told him Mr. Nicholas had been calling him—Mr. Nicholas was not there—the prisoner had been putting the bales in the van—I am quite sure he made no explanation to me.

CHARLES WILLIAM CORNELIUS . I am foreman of the "D" warehouse, London St. Katherine's Docks, and live at 5, Cochrane Street, Stepney—some short time before 19th June, I saw a small bale behind the box truck, in the "H" room, on the furthest side of the room from the loophole—it was hide pieces, and quite different from the other bales of hide or gunny, inasmuch as it was a flat bale, and quite dissimilar from the other bags—on the 19th June, I saw a van draw up in the yard of the "D" warehouse, and went out and asked the carman what he wanted—the van was put under the "H" loophole—I heard the truck and men go through "H" into "F", the further part of that room, and I traced the sound of the truck brought from "F"—to

"H" loophole for delivery—I heard a noise and looked, and then I saw the first bale on the floor of the van, and afterwards the second, third, and fourth bales of hide—when the second or third bale was in the van, I saw the prisoner suddenly in the van—he said he had dropped from the second floor into the van, to assist placing these bales in the van—the bales were placed lengthways across the van—the front would be protected by the border of the van, and the end of" the bales would be protected by the sides of the van, to a certain extent—I knew by the sound what the bales were—I then saw the fifth bale, a bale of gunny, ordered to be placed the same way as the bales of hide, crossways of the van, and to occupy the hind part of the van, and keep in the bales of hide previously put in—when the van was loaded it represented what the passes represented, bales of old gunny—any ordinary observer would see that it corresponded with the passes that had been made out—I saw Maynard in the van three times at least—it was no part of his duty to be assisting—they do not require foremen to load goods—when the van was stopped I saw it unloaded, and they took out eight bales of hide pieces, one was the bale I had seen a day or two previously behind the box, and I gave the information to my warehouse keeper.

HENRY GEORGE PALMES . I am one of the clerks to the Company, and live at 4, Park Place, Dahrton—on 19th June the prisoner came to me with this, delivery order, and asked for this pass (produced) for twenty-two bales of old gunny, which I gave him—I then gave the delivery order and the pass back to the prisoner—he said nothing to me about bales of hidepieces.

LLEWELLYN NICHOLAS . I am warehouse keeper of "D" and "E" warehouse—Mr. Cornelius made a communication to me and I went and saw Dobbs' van, which was at the loop—the laden van would be almost level with the loop, so that a person'could get into the van and back again—I had the van unloaded and found 14 bales of gunny, and 8 bales of hide pieces, including a small bale—I sent for Maynard and asked him to explain the delivery of two-kinds of goods, the gunny and hide pieces—he said his men had made a mistake, he did not know the hide pieces were in the van—I asked him how it was as they were in "F" room—he said he did not know his men had trucked from "F"—I had seen the pass for the gate-keeper and knew that it was for gunny only—I saw the three men afterwards, and they told me the same story they have told to-day—Mr. Cox came down and Maynard was questioned—at that time I did not know he had been into "F" room himself and pointed out the bales—I had the 22 bales re-weighed and nearly all of them unpacked—on the following day I saw the three men, Roundtree, Orange, and Brown, and they made a voluntary statement—I then made an official report, and Maynard was taken into custody on the 5th, the two columns on the left of that book are the weights, and total of 52 bales of gunny that were placed near the "H" loophole, and from which the 22 bales ought to have been delivered—there was no gunny in the "F" room that I saw.

Cross-examined. The prisoner would be responsible for all operations under his charge, whatever he delivered he would be responsible for—he has been twenty years in the employ—the delivery was on 19th June, and he was given into custody on 5th July, after the statements of the three men.

The Prisoner received a good character.

GUILTY.— Judgment respited.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-519
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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519. JOHN TUHEY (35), MAURICE MORIARTY (34), and HENRY MARSH (50) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Julia Burgoyne, and stealing therein 20 spoons and other articles. Second Count—Receiving the same.

MR. AUSTIN METCALFE conducted the Prosecution; MR. HARMSWORTH appeared for Tuhey and Moriarty, and MR. BROMBY for Marsh. JULIA BURGOYNE. I am a widow, and live at Blenheim Crescent, Notting Hill—on Tuesday night, 17th Jane, I went to bed at 10. 40, leaving the house safe—I and my servant went round and locked up—the gas was put out—I was aroused about 12 o'clock by a neighbour—I went down and found the gas alight in the passage and dining-room—the plate basket was on the dining-room table, empty—there had been some table spoons, tea spoons, and large and small forks in it previously—they were marked "M. C. "and the silver sugar sifter was marked "B."—I have seen two broken spoons since, they are a part of the property—the property lost was worth nearly 10l.—the glass of the dining-room window had been out and removed, the patent fastener had been lifted, and the window opened—the dining-room is on the ground floor—the area door was wide open.

CONSTANTINE MORRIS . I kept three lodging houses at 19, 21, and 36, Bangor Street, Notting Hill—I have left there now—it is a few streets off Blenheim Crescent—Moriarty had been lodging in my house—I know Tuhey by sight—I had seen him once or twice, but never to speak to him before this occurrence—on Wednesday, 18th June, Tuhey came to my house, he brought some silver spoons and things in a basket—he asked me to give him 15s. for some of the spoons, and he would give me the rest in—there were a great many different articles—I am not a judge of the value of silver spoons—I looked at one or two, saw some letters on them, and put them back, and told him to take them away, I would have nothing to do with them—I said "Where did you get them from t"—he said "From Blenheim Crescent"—Moriarty came in and said "You had better buy them"—I said I would not, it would get me into trouble, and they went away together—Moriarty carried the basket—I went out after them, they went to Mr. Marsh's house—they went in and came out in about a minute with Marsh—Tuhey took the basket up a gateway at the side of Marsh's house—Marsh and Moriarty stopped in the street till Tuhey came back, and they all went into the house together—I saw Tuhey a couple of hours afterwards and asked him what he had done with it—he told me he had let Mr. Marsh have it for 12s., he had got 6s. on account and was going to have another 6s. at night—ho said "I don't suppose I should recognise the spoons again"—they were like those.

Cross-examined by MR. HARMSWORTH. I am living at Middlesborough, in Yorkshire, now—I went there four or five weeks ago—these men were charged about three weeks before I went away—I am employed in the ironworks at Middlesborough—I kept the three houses for eight months after my father and mother went away—they went to Middlesborough—before that I used to work at Mr. Carter's casting shop, in Holloway—I have been in trouble myself—that was six years ago, that was the last time—it was for the unlawful possession of a dog and some brass—I was fined 40s. or a month—I did the month—I have been married about nine months last November—I spent the six months before my marriage at Kingston and London—I had six months' before I was married for assaulting the police—that is the only

other time I have been in prison—that I swear—the house where this occurred with Tuhey was 21, Bangor Street, the single man's house—there is a large kitchen there—I have a good many lodgers, and they came to the kitchen to cook their food—it was between 12 and 1 o'clock that Tuhey came in—the lodgers are in and out all times of the day—none of them are here, that I know of—Moriarty used always to be about the place—I can't swear that I saw him on the Tuesday evening—he must have been there, because he was a kind of deputy for me—he went to bed when the other lodgers went to bed—I saw him shut up between 10 and 11 o'clock, and go to bed about 10. 45—he was with Tuhey nearly all the Wednesday afternoon—he came in once or twice.

Cross-examined by MR. BROMBY. I was taken to the police-station on this charge of burglary—they asked me what I knew about it and I told them, and then the charge was dropped—I have known Mr. Marsh some time—I don't know that my brother was caught in one of Marsh's houses and got twelve months'—I was not at home.

Re-examined. I saw Moriarty go to bed, and I went out and pulled the door to after me—anyone from the inside could get out—it is a spring catch.

CHARLES LEWIS (Detective Officer X). I took Tuhey on 19th June—I went to the Shamrock beer-shop, where Marsh lived—he was not at home—I waited for an hour, and he came in—I said "Tuhey, who I have got in custody for a burglary in Blenheim Crescent, and stealing a tea caddy, spoons, and forks, says that you gave him 6s. for them, and he was to have 6s. in the evening; if you will give the things up it will be all right, and he will payback the 12s. as soon as he comes out"—he said "I don't know anything at all about it, and you can do what you like; you can search my house"—I told him I should take him for receiving the articles I had mentioned, knowing them to have been stolen—I left him in, Green's custody, and I searched the house in the presence of his wife, his son, and some young women—I did not find anything—Marsh was taken to the station—on the way there I found Moriarty and the witness Morris, and took them to the station—Morris said "What are you going to lock him up for?"—I said "You need not cry out; you are as bad as him; you have been dealing with them"—he said "I know nothing about it; no more than Tuhey brought it to me and offered it to me for 1s."—Moriarty, Tuhey, and Marsh were then charged at the station—Morris was placed in the dock, but discharged after the statement he made—he was allowed to goon the remand Tuhey and Moriarty asked me if I had found the property—I told him I had not—Tuhey said "You should go whereyou will find it"—I said "Where?"—he said "At Marsh's"—I made a further search at Marsh's premises on 1st July, and in the cellar, in a little hole from 6 to 8 inches deep, which was full of water and under the cellar flap, I found these pieces of spoons—Marsh was there then—I said "This looks like some of it, wiping the dirt off and showing the initials"—he said "So it does, it certainly looks like some of it"—I said "How do you account for this?" and he said "I don't know at all how it came there"—I looked again and found this piece—I said "I want more than this"—he said "On my oath, Mr. Lewis, I know nothing about it"—I had not searched that particular place before—the day I found the things the cellar flap was fastened down, and we had not much light—Mr. Marsh took a gimlet out that was screwed into the flap and lifted a board which gave us a great deal more.

Cross-examined by MR. HARMSWORTH. It was from what Morris said at the station that he was discharged—Moriarty said he knew nothing about it.

Cross-examined by MR. BROMBY. I went first to Marsha house on the 19th—every assistance was given to me—I went down in the cellar then—it was 10 or 11 o'clock at night, so I should think the plank of the flap was in then—I had candles—on the first occasion I believe the place was dry, and on the second there was some water there, it was between 7 and 8 in the morning when I went the second time, on the first July—Mr. Marsh offered to open the movable plank from the flap—he removed the gimlet and took out the plank; that threw down a ray of light on the ground below—I know that the flap is open all day long, as a rule—I asked for a shovel, and we turned the place over, and I found the things in a sort of indentation that was caused by the barrels being let down.

JESSIE HUDSON . On the night of the 17th I left the house all safe.

MARY JANE BOYSTON . I am cook at No. 76, Blenheim Crescent, opposite Mrs. Burgoyne's—on the evening of 17th June I was looking out of my window—I saw two men go into Mrs. Burgoyne's area gate, they got in at the dining-room window, and lit the gas—I could not swear to them—one had a pair of dark trowsers and a light coat, but the other I do not know at all.

THE COURT considered there was not sufficient evidence against MORIARTY and MARSH— NOT GUILTY .


He also PLEADED GUILTY to having been before convicted in May, 1871.— Fifteen Months' Imprisonment.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-520
VerdictNot Guilty > no prosecutor

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520. JOHN HICKSON (51) , unlawfully obtaining 5s. of William Coulson, by false pretences.

MR. BESLEY conducted the Prosecution; and MR. F. H. LEWIS the Defence. Upon the statement of the Prosecutor that he was satisfied with the bargain he had made with the prisoner, and therefore did not wish to prosecute him, MR. BESLEY withdrew from the Prosecution.


18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-521
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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521. JOSEPH HUSTWAITE (24) , Robbery, with others, on William Charles Bates, and stealing a watch and chain, his property.

MR. HOLLINGS conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM CHARLES BATES . I am a glass cutter, of 124, St John Street Road—on Saturday, 12th July, a few minutes after 11 o'clock, I was in Goswell Road, going home—I saw the prisoner and two other men standing just off the kerb, in the roadway—as I came in front of them, one of them crossed my path and tried to trip me up—I told him if he did it again I should strike him—the prisoner turned round and said "You will, will you?"—I said "Yes I will, if he attempts to chuck me down again"—he told me to take my coat off, and he would keep his on to fight me—he struck me on the chin with the stump of his arm; the blow knocked me down—I got up, and then we had a bit of a melee together—I was knocked down again with the stump of his arm—he has only one arm—when I got up, somebody said "He has got your watch and chain"—the prisoner was gone then, and my watch and chain, too—I did not see the other two after I was knocked down—I saw him eight days afterwards at the police station, and picked him out of seven or eight others—I am sure he is the man.

CHARLES LUCAS . I live at 81, St. John Street, Smithfield—I saw the prisoner strike Bates under the chin with his stump—they got him down in the roadway, by the gutter—a gentleman said "Where is your watch and

chain?"—he felt and said "It is gone"—I am sure the prisoner was one of the men—there were three.

WILLIAM ARCHER . I live at 21, Noble Street, Goswell Road—I saw the two men fighting, and I saw the prisoner had only got one arm—I got between them—the prisoner caught him with the stump of his arm, and they went to the ground—I saw that Bates had no watch guard, and said "Have you lost your watch?"—he said that his watch and guard had gone—I went to the station and described the man—two men got in front of me, and stopped me running after the prisoner.

ALFRED WHITE (Policeman G 285). I received information, and took the prisoner on 21st July—Lucas picked him out from thirty or forty others—the prisoner first said he was not in the Goswell Road at all, but he said afterwards he had a fight with the prosecutor.

Prisoner's Defence. I never struck him—he asked me whether I would make up the price of the watch and chain, and he would not prosecute me.

GUILTY .—He also PLEADED GUILTY to having been before convicted in November, 1870.— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment.

FOURTH COURT.—Thursday, August 21st, 1873.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-522
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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522. FRANCES CHANT (18) , Feloniously uttering a forged order for the payment of money, with intent to defraud.

MR. STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution; and MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS the Defence.

CHARLES ROLT . I live at 5, Oxford Road, Hammersmith—the prisoner was in my service about three weeks—before she came Kate Shelly was my servant—I am a depositor of the National Bank, Notting Hill branch—I have compared this oheque (produced) with my cheque-book—it has been taken out of my book—it is not my signature—I missed, apparently, another form from the cheque-book, but I have been fearfully loose in my accounts, I do not know any bank but the National Bank that would let me keep such an account—I gave no authority to anyone to sign this cheque—the prisoner was a good servant.

Cross-examined. I do not know her—my brother kept my accounts for me.

JOHN SMITH . I am an auctioneer's porter, at 21, Archer Street—I have known the prisoner fourteen months—I kept company with her—she gave me a cheque for 4l., with which I went to the National Bank—they would not pay it, and I took it back to the prisoner, and told her she could not have the money, and that it would require a new cheque—I did not say why—she said she would tell the gentleman about the cheque—on the following day, in the evening, I saw her again, and she gave me this cheque (produced)—she said that the gentleman had given her another cheque—I took it to the National Bank, and they would not pay it, so I left it and ray name and address—I afterwards saw the prisoner, and told her that the gentleman at the bank wanted to see her—she said she would tell the gentleman—I did not know Kate Shelly—I was taken in custody on Friday, the 20th, and I remained there until the 24th, when I was discharged and gave evidence—the handwriting on this cheque is not like hers.

Cross-examined. I am not sure whether she said the governor gave it to her, or a gentleman.

KATE SHELLY . I am in service at No. 3, Park Place, St. James's—I was servant at Mr. Bolt's before the prisoner went there—I lived with him fifteen months—I got notice on 3rd June, and left on 3rd July—I often saw Mr. Rolt's cheque-book, but I had no wish to steal the cheques—I heard the prisoner say I ought to know the cheques were not come by honestly—I never said to her, "If they are found out, I know master will forgive me"—she is trying to bring me into it, and she is a wicked, bad girl—I never wrote a letter to her—this letter (produced) is not in my writing—she gave me a bit of paper, and asked me to write to her; but, as my mother says, it is a blessing I have not done it.

Cross-examined. My master has given me a cheque for wages, but he always wrote them out himself—he was very kind to me—he has kissed me—he kissed me at the time I went about my character—Mrs. Holt was not then at home—it was not a constant occurrence with him—I know nothing about this letter or cheque, and I never went to the bank—the 16th was the first time I saw her, when I went about my character—I was with bar then the whole afternoon—at that time I was living with my mother, 4, Ponsonby Place, Pimlico—I lived fifteen months with Mr. Bolt.

Re-examined. The name on the back of this cheque is mine—I solemnly declare it has not been done by me—it looks like my writing, but I will swear it is not.

By THE COURT. When I was at Mr. Bolt's, on the 16th, I saw her come down stairs, and she looked as if she had been crying—that was the day Mr. Bolt accused her of taking the cheques—she did not say to me, when I asked her what was the matter, "You know very well, Kate, those cheques were stolen"—my master has never charged me with taking a cheque.

CHARLES ENNAY . I am cashier at the Notting Hill branch of the National Bank—Mr. Bolt keeps an account there—on 11th July, Smith came with a cheque for 4l., purporting to be drawn by Mr. Bolt—he came again on the 12th—both the cheques were refused.

DAVID WOOLFORD (Policeman X 183). I took Smith on 18th July—when I took the prisoner she told me a friend had sent the choques to her, in a letter, and afterwards that Kate Shelly had given her them.

CHARLES BOLT (re-examined). When I accused the prisoner of taking the cheque, I called her a liar, a thief, and a forger, and said "If you will tell me the honest truth, I will forgive you"—I hate kissed her.

The prisoner received a good character.


18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-523
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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523. JOHN BERBINGTON (60) , Unlawfully obtaining by false pretences, from Henry Newton, 67l. 9s., and two other sums of 50l. from Charles Jarvis Humpherson and Susan Middleton, with intent to defraud.

MR. MEAD conducted the Prosecution.

HENRY NEWTON . I am a tutor in the family of Mr. Wynne, M. P,—I formerly resided in St Mary Abbott's, Kensington, when I was with the' family in town—I saw the following advertisement in the Standard newspaper: "English Master.—A clergyman and graduate of distinction, wishing to form a high-class college, seeks a young man as vice-principal, not as mere assistant. Peculiar advantages to one seeking a degree or ordination as Literate; should have some small capital at command. A home and fair income. No responsibilities. Address, D. D., Post-Office, Finsbury Pavement, E. C."—I answered that by this letter (produced)—I received a letter in reply to my inquiry, and on January 4th, another letter, and ultimately I met the

prisoner at Ashley'B Hotel, Henrietta Street, Covent Garden—I was coming up for my matriculation examination at the London University, and I had previously arranged to meet the prisoner at the hotel—we had several interviews—he said that he had five or six pupils, who were with the Vicar of Plumstead, and was going to establish a College; that he had not a school then, but he had had one at Norwood, near the Crystal Palace, but in consequence of the authorities buying up the land, the lease being out, he was under the necessity of abandoning the place; also that he went to Brighton on account of "Madam's "illness—I saw Madam at his house subsequently—he told me that he had 12,000l. a year, and that he was in the habit of going out with a dog and gun in the country, and that he wanted somebody on whom he could depend—I produced my testimonials and gave him all he required in that respect, and he said they were perfectly satisfactory—he told me he would give me 100l. a year stipend, and 5l. a year capitation on pupils; but to my surprise he limited the number of pupils to twelve in a prospectus which he issued—I agreed to make a deposit of 100l. 50l. on signing the agreement, and 50l. on entering the establishment—I first saw him at Bloomsbury—I believe he read the lessons there for Dr. Proteus, the Incumbent—he had a surplice and a hood on, but I did not notice whether he had a stole—he said the doctor that morning had offered him two pupils, and stated the fees at 180 guineas, and I might have the option of receiving the pupils if I liked, and I understood in case of separation I might take a house to myself and he would give me a limited number of pupils as boarders—I contemplated being married, and it was with a view to that that it was named—he said that he could stay with Dr. Proteus and have 100l. or 200l. a year for reading the Lessons for him—I entered into a written agreement with him—on 22nd January or thereabouts, I went away into the country, after which I received the following letter. (This was dated 22nd January, 1873, signed by the prioner, and stating that his decision of a residence was between Vanbrugh House, Blackheath (Admiral Coffin's), and the Old Manor House, Mitcham, and asking for a cheque according to agreement.) I wrote this letter to him enclosing this cheque. (This was dated Slst January, 1873, in favour of Mr. Henry Newton, for 67l. 9s., on Messrs. Glynn, Mills, & Co., and endorsed "Henry Newton" "John Berrington") At that time I had 67l. 9s. in the bank—I gave notice to Mr. Wynne that I should give up my situation—I did not endorse this cheque—I received this letter from the prisoner about houses that he professed to be negotiating for—I did not join him at the school—the letters were putting me off—he was constantly evading me by letters—having received information regarding the prisoner I communicated with my bankers, but found that the cheque had been cashed—when I came up to London again with the family, I saw the prisoner—he has evaded me three times by moving from places—I received these letters (produced), 14 to 19 inclusive, from him—when I came to Loudon I went to 53, Leigh Terrace, Blackheath, with Mr. Humpherson, with whom I had had frequent letters—I found the prisoner's address out from advertisements which constantly appeared in the paper—I asked the prisoner at Blackheath if that was his school—he said No; he had gone there for the purpose of finding a suitable house, but he had not met' with one, or he would have had his place established—I said "Well, Doctor, you have been a long time in establishing your school; you have had sufficient time for the purpose, but it seems

to me you are just as much advanced as you were four or five months ago"—I told him that I had come there, after having consulted with my employer, to know something certain—L asked the prisoner for my money back—he said that it was not his intention to keep it, and he would refund it—he next wrote, saying that owing to Madam's health he was under the necessity of! leaving Blackheath, and asking me to trust to his honour—I parted with my cheque because I thought it was a bond fide affair—his wife as well as himself told me that Vanbrugh House was the place selected—the circular he sent to me was from "The Rev. J. Berrington, LL.D., Cantab."

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. When I spoke to you about your pupils I might have had a glass of grog with you at the hotel—I never wrote to the Vicar of Plumstead nor to Mr. Proteus about you, because I took you to be a straightforward honest person—I wrote this letter from Appleby Hall, Brigg, Lincolnshire, to Madam Berrington, asking her to pay the money, and called it a debt—on one occasion when I called to see you I saw Madam, and asked her if she could give me any account about your school, and she said "This is not our place, we have only been here a week or two"—I inquired about you in the neighbourhood, but you were not known—I was directed to see a Mrs. Garth about you—she told me you had paid your rent, and afterwards she sent me a circular that I have in my pocket about you, published by the Trades Protection Society. Madam told me herself that she was Mrs. Berrington—I withdrew from the agreement on account of what I heard from Mrs. Garth and Mr. Humpherson about you—there was no conspiracy by us against you—I sent the cheque as collateral security—I wrote this letter to you. (This stated: "Enclosed you will find cheque for 67l. 9s.," &c., "the overplus you can remit or retain as you like")—I did not offer to compromise the matter, and say that before having any bother I would take 50l.—I told you that Mr. Wynne had recommended me to come and ask you for the money before taking any steps—I received the prospectus you sent me, and I think I gave you reasonable time for finding a school-house.

CHARLES JARVIS HUMPHERSON . I am a clerk in the Custom House, and reside at 16, Torriano Aveaue, Camden Town—in January, I was a clerk at the General Money Order Office—on the 12th January I saw an advertisement in the Standard. (This advertisement was in the sane terms as the former one)—I answered it, and had this letter from the prisoner. (This requested the witness to call that evening, and was signed "J. Berrington.") An appointment was made at the Bedford Episcopal Chápel—I male a mistake in the chapel, and failed to meet him there—I afterwards received this letter from him. (This stated: "Let me see you as soon as you can come here. I wish it understood first the 200l. is not a premium but a deposit, and payable at six months' notice. I undertake to get you ordained as a Literate. person, provided you are sound, and good, and work diligently for that object; in case of ordination, 100l. of the 200l. deposit becomes forfeited.")—I afterwards saw him at Downshire Hill, Hampstead—he told me he was Dr. Berrington, that he had had others in the same capacity under him to obtain degrees, and enter the Church, and that his own son had been ordained the November previous from his College; that he had a school at Blackheath, and that he was there during the Christmas vacation—he mentioned the name of Mr. McAlister as having been one of his pupils—he also said that he had dons duty for Mr. McAlister, and that he had taken

his pupils to reside at Mr. McAlister's house while he had gone for his holidays—he said he was quite satisfied with my references—at the first interview he told me he should require 200l. from me, and that the salary would depend upon the deposit; but if I paid 200l. it would be 100l., and 5l. upon each pupil—I said I would speak to my father—I then received a letter dated January 22nd, 1873. (This stated that he was willing to try the witness on his own conditions, and requiring that the money should be paid and the agreement signed at once.) I subsquently received a draft agreement and a scale of charges—I had a third interview with him and then entered into a stamped agreement; there is a passage in it about 50l. that is to be forfeited if I passed my examination and was ordained—that is the 50l. deposit, and I was only to receive the salary in fees—once after I saw him at Ashley's Hotel—he said that he wanted to purchase an organ for the school—I am a musician—I went with him to the shop, which he said was very near at hand, but it had been converted into a tobacconist's shop—the same evening, after that, I saw him again at Hampstead, and paid him a draft for 50l.—he gave me this receipt: "Received of Mr. Charles J. Humpherson the sum of 50l., per cheque, according to terms of agreement. J. Berrington. Hampstead, February 2nd, 1873."—I gave up my situation after signing the agreement, and went to Bewdley for my holidays—he told me I was to begin duty on the first or second week in February—I received three prospectuses from him while at Bewdley, but there was no address on them—I came back to London shortly afterwards, and went straight to see the prisoner—he told me the reason there was no address on the prospectus was because he intended changing his residence, as there were so many schools at Blackheath, and he should take a place at Hampstead—afterwards, when I reminded him, he said he never had had a school at Blackheath, and that I was mistaken—the school he had, he said, was at Brighton—I parted with the 50l. on the prisoner's representations that he had a school at Blackheath, that he had pupils, that the school was in a flourishing condition, that he was a clergyman of the Church of England, and that he was so situated that he could get ma ordained as a clergyman.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You examined me once—I went thirty-seven times to your house—I refused to go to 3, Heath Mount—you said you had taken lodgings there, four bedrooms, and one was for ma until the school opened—I have had experience as a teacher and was formerly an assistant master at the Bewdley Grammar School—I corresponded with Newton—my mind has not been prejudiced in consequence—you have given me 3l. back—that was once when I asked you for 5l.—I had to go three times for it, and it was the last interview I had with you at Hampstead—you told me you were sorry you had kept me out of the school so long—my solicitorsent me to ask you to repay me and to expunge my name, which you had put upon the prospectus—there was no agreement about a compromise—I believe something of the kind was said that Mr. Newton would take 50l. as a compromise.

Re-examined. The 3l. was paid to me in consideration of my having been out with him looking for a house—during the thirty-seven times I was at his house-all the instruction I received from him was once when I took up the book of "Horace."

SUSAN MIDDLETON . I live at Brighton—on 10th or 11th April, I saw this advertisement (produced) in the Standard—"Wanted immediately, a plain

domesticated lady, to take sole charge of a clergyman's—widower's—high class college, household—this offers a superior and settled hume and fair remuneration; small deposit; capital necessary. M.P.Q.; Post-office, Finsbury Pavement."—I wrote to the address indicated, and received a letter purporting to come from Dr. Berrington—an appointment was subsequently made for me to meet him at the Broad Street railway-station—I met him there, and from his description I was able to identify him—he told me he kept a college for young gentlemen, that his housekeeper was leaving, and he wanted someone else; that he had pnpils, some of whom were at Plumstead; he asked for a deposit of 200l.—I told him I had not the money and mentioned 100l.—he left me very hurriedly and said he had an appointment with the Vicar of Plumstead—I had another letter after that, dated April 25th, making another appointment with him at Broad Street station, I went and saw him—I made an offer of 100l. and offered my plate and linen also for the use of the house—he said that Madam always kept the house well supplied with it—I understood him that she was his housekeeper at that time—he told me that his income was very near 2,000l. a year—he pulled out his bank-book and cheque-book, and said "I always pay my people by cheques"—he said he was residing at Hampstead—that interview finished by my agreeing to let him have 100l.; he then left—I afterwards wrote to say my friends advised me not to let him have 100l., but that I was willing to go and do what I could for him, and get the house in readiness for him to receive his pupils—an appointment was made for me to meet him at Blackheath, and I was to bring a servant—the prisoner met me at the railway station—I went to 3, Blackheath Villas, and found a house furnished—it was to let, the prisoner went over it—I went to the Princess of Wales Hotel, and I stayed there with my servant a fortnight—I was out daily with the prisoner, looking after houses—subsequently I paid him 50l. as a deposit—it was arranged before that that I was to enter into his service—he gave me this receipt; "Received from Miss Middleton the sum of 50l., to be repaid as per agreement J. Berrington, Blackheath."—Afterwards I had another interview with him—I asked him where he was living, and he said that I should not ask questions—my servant was with me at Blackheath, and I was paying my expenses and hers, too—I had money to pay also for going about with him—I paid my money to him because he told me that he kept a College, where he received about a dozen young gentlemen, who paid him from 100l. to 150l. a year, and that his income was very near 2,000l. a year; that he wanted someone to-take the sole responsebility of the place, and act as mistress of the establishment—he also told me his establishment consisted of four or five female servants and of "buttons"—the deposit was to show that I was a respectable and not a common person—he said the reason why Madam was leaving was because he found she was injurious to his school; not at all pleasant when the pupils' friends went, and she had very haughty ways.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not offer to lend you the 100l.—you told me at the railway station you would give me 40l. salary—you did not give me a cheque for a sovereign when we went to Beckenham; it was to pay a debt for you—I do not know whether we were the best of friends when we left, but I should have liked my money—a portion of expenses at the Princess of Wales was partly paid by you, and the other, I believe, was unpaid—I did not tell the Draper's Company I had charge of you. College for six months—I told them that I had been with you six weeks—I deposited the 50l. with you at 10 per cent.

REV. JAMES ADAIR MCALLISTER . I am Vicar of Plumstead—in 1847 I made the acquaintance of the prisoner through an advertisement—he had an establishment at Bays water; I received instruction from him previous to my ordination—I do not know whether he had a cure of souls there then—in 1868 he took my house at a rent of 150l. a year, for a school; he was with me about five months—I received no rent—he was never in charge for me there during my holidays—I do not owe him any money—he owes me upwards of 200l.—no pupils of his, since 1868, have been stopping at my house—I cannot tell whether Madam was his wife.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I believe the school was properly conducted—I have seen your pupils at Rockhill's in 1872 or 1871—your income from Government referred, I always understood, to a document on Madam's account, to draw money from the India Office, 25l. a year—I do not know whether you have many pupils who are now beneficed clergymen—I have expressed an opinion about Madam being with you and that she was not fitted for the school—I never sued you for any money you owed me.

HENRY SMITH . Vanbrugh House, Blackheath, is a private house—it has not been to let since September, 1871, and no negotiation about it has taken place between Mr. Nash and the prisoner.

JOHN HENRY BENNETT . I am a clerk in the publishing office of the Standard—the prisoner has come there with advertisements—the advertisements (produced) were inserted on 27th December and 10th January.

ALFRED BARNARD . I am an advertising agent, of 40, Fleet Street—I have had instructions from the prisoner to put advertisements in the Telegraph and three in the Timet—I have none with regard to housekeepers, but I have one headed "Junior Pupils," and another "High Class Tuition."

WILLIAM PALMER . I am Chief Inspector of the Metropolitan Detective Police, Scotland Yard—on Wednesday, 10th June, I saw the prisoner on Finsbury Pavement entering the post-office—he came out with five letters and a post card—I charged him with defrauding Newton of 67l. 9s.—he said he was surprised that Newton should take such steps, as he intended to carry out his contract with him—I took him to the Hampstead policestation—on searching him I found twelve or fourteen advertisements of different kinds, letters addressed "A Clerk," "D.D.," "M.P.Q.," "F.R.S.," and various other initials, and a purse containing memoranda and cuttings from newspapers.

Prisoner's Defence.. This was a civil contract, honestly land righteously made, and one which, up to the eleventh hour, I have treated as a debt. I have always had respectable establishments and high class pupils, whom I have prepared for the Army, for India, and the Universities, and so on. I have had a private income to fill up gaps, but as a last resource, I determined to try a general school, and associate the undertakings with coadjutors. I found two, as I thought, out of 200 applications. I have obtained distinctions which few schoolmasters can lay claim to, and I have been debarred from carrying out my agreements for want of reasonable time. All I wanted was an equitable settlement I gave them every opportunity of inquiring into my circumstances. I never told them I had pupils, or anyone else, it is wicked of anybody to take out a warrant on ex-parte statements. I have spent some 40l. or 50l. in running about and advertising.

GUILTY .— Five Years' Penal Servitude for each offence, making Fifteen Years.

NEW COURT.—Friday, August 22nd, 1873.

Before Mr. Baron Bramwell.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-524
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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Reference Numbert18730818-525
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525. ALFRED CORNELIUS LA FUELLE (41) , Feloniously killing and slaying Annie Martha La Fuelle.

MR. ST. AUBYN conducted the Prosecution; and MR. SERJEANT SLEIGH the Defence.

MARTHA FANNY WYNDHAM . I am the mother of the deceased; she was the prisoner's wife—she had six children, four of whom are alive—her age was 31—I saw her die—the prisoner is a law stationer, of 16, Brownlow Street, Holborn—they lived at 3A, Halliford Street, Islington.

Cross-examined. I was not in the habit of visiting them, and saw very little of my daughter—he sent for me on a Saturday, and she died on Sunday—I put a mustard poultice on the back of her neck, and the front too, by the medical man's directions—the skin was red and discoloured before I put them on; it looked as if she had been beat—she complained of her back very much, and said that her husband had throttled her—she complained of the inside of her throat and of her chest, and of difficulty of breathing.

Re-examined. Her body was very much bruised from head to foot, and marked black and blue, like finger marks, as if a person had knelt on her and pressed her with his hands, and she told me that her husband had thrown her down and throttled her—there were spaces as if between the different fingers—she said that the pain in her chest was caused by her husband beating her.

MR. SERJEANT SLEIGH. Q. Had the prisoner forbade your going to the house? A. Not to my knowledge—he and I were not at all on friendly terms—I do not know that when my daughter came to see me the prisoner waited outside—I believe I visited her twice after they were married—I ceased because he was always beating her, and she told me that she never came to see me, or I to see her, but he used to beat her for it—he sent for me when she was dying.

JEMIMA COLLINS . I was servant to the deceased for fifteen months—about a fortnight before she died she came home in a cab with her husband—he brought the bank books out of the cab, and put them in a box in the parlour—I do not know what they did with the bank books—he turned from the parlour towards mistress, and said "You b----, you b----he punched her on the breast with his doubled fist, and knocked her down—she got up with a struggle, and went down into the breakfast parlour, and he punched her and knocked her about dreadfully there, saying that he meant to do for her—he caught her by the throat, and she was marked all about the throat, and her windpipe was swollen right out—he then took a knife from the breakfast table—I got it away from him three or four times, and he did not touch her with it; he only frightened her, and said that he intended to do for her—she got up stairs and tried to go out, but he pulled her back and throttled her—I was so frightened I ran for a policeman, who came in while

the prisoner was on her—she had not been ill some time before this—she always kept to her business—she went to her work till Tuesday, and died on Sunday—I don't think she was as well as she had been, but she did not keep her bed—this was on the 19th of July—she complained of pain in the top of her head and in her throat—there was no beating or ill-treatment after that—she was ailing, and on Tuesday evening she came home and went up to bed, and never got up again—a medical man was sent for on Thursday night.

Cross-examined. The prisoner sent me for the doctor, who came between 12 and 1 o'clock at night—the prisoner sent for her mother—he was not almost always attending to her from that time till she died—he has not complained to me of her being too late at night—he has never complained of her in my presence—I know his mother, the prisoner has not complained to me of the deceased's misconduct—I did not tell the deceased that I did not care what I did if I could hang the prisoner; nothing of the kind, but I have always said that he was a brute to mistress—I never said that I would be revenged upon him—I never complained of him to his mother—I have always spoken kindly of him, because I was frightened of him, and that is the truth—I have not been living in the mother's house since the deceased died—I lived at my own house—I have not been at the prisoner's house at all—I was not stopping at the mother's house or visiting there after the Inquest—the prisoner's mother has not complained of him, nor did I say I did not care what happened, I should like to hang him if I could; nothing of the kind—I never told his mother that it was more her fault than his—I know Mrs. Wood, the laundress—the prisoner has not complained of my being out late at night, or said that he had heard from Mrs. Wood of my being out with a man at night—when I have been out for a holiday, I have come home at the time my mistress told me—I have never walked with a man's arm round my waist, and the prisoner never complained of my doing so—I have never told Mrs. Wood's daughter that the wife was more to blame than the husband—I never told Mrs. Wood that I could scarcely leave the house in consequence of the conduct of the mistress, and that if it had not been for the mistress, I should have had a comfortable place, but on account of her conduct it was unbearable—my mistress died on August 3rd—she went to the station on the Saturday—the beating was on Saturday—she went out on the Sunday, but not on the following Sunday—she did not express herself to me as very anxious to get her husband out of the station, but she went and got him bail—she went to her work on the Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, washing—I have not mentioned the windpipe being swollen before—I said before the Coroner that he inflicted scratches on her throat—I did not see him scratch her, but there were great scratches on her throat.

Re-examined. My mistress was very kind to me—there is no ground for saying that there has been any impropriety in my conduct.

COURT. Q. Have you got a sweetheart? A. Yes—he has never put his arm round my waist—my master or mistress did not give me warning to go—I never saw any bad conduct on my mistress's part towards her husband—I have run away two or three times when he has been beating her—my mistress fetched me back—she said she was afraid to go home unless I went home with her, and I went with her for her sake—I did not go home when I ran away—I went to my friends in Gray's Inn Lane—the prisoner turned me out once for taking my mistress's part, and my mistress came for me—

he said nothing when he saw me—he did not turn me out with his hands—he was kicking mistress down stairs, when she was hysterical; he pushed her down two stairs at a time—she did not go out on the Sunday after she was beaten—she was in the habit of going out on Sundays—she did not go to church or chapel in my time, but I have heard the young ladies talk of it—she has been to Brixton on Sunday—she generally stopped at home on Sundays and worked at the law writing—I did not like his behaviour, but I never said I did not care if he was hung; but he was such a brute, that I should not oars—I have not said so, but I thought so.

CHIRLES MUSGRAVE (Policeman N 93). The servant called me on 19th July, and I found the prisoner kneeling on the deceased in the passage—he had his bands pressing, her throat and squeezing her—I rushed up and pulled him from her, and asked him what he meant by it—he said "It is a nice thing, after going out to work hard all day, and coming home in this state. I am glad it has come to what it has; and as you have seen what you have here, it is quite sufficient for you"—I assisted the servant to lift the deceased up stairs, where she remained sometime very much exhausted—the servant fetched some cold water in a cup, which she drank a portion of—I sent for a cab, and the deceased was taken to the station—the prisoner asked for his hat and coat, and then he ran up stairs—I went after him and searched the bedroom, but he was not there—I heard his voice some time afterwards, in a garret—he said "It is no use you standing there, I shan't come, I will fight till I die first"—I sent to the station for assistance, and then we forced the door, and the prisoner stood on the stairs, with something like a club in his hands, and said he would kill the first man that came up—we called out to him, and he dropped the weapon and came down—we took him to the station.

Cross-examined. He was taken before the Magistrate on the Monday morning—the deceased did not appear against him, and he was discharged—I can't say whether she endeavoured to get him bailed.

ANTHONY RUTT (Polioe Inspector N). (Not examined in chief.)

Cross-examined. I was on duty at the station—late in the night the deceased came and endeavoured to get the prisoner released on bail, but he refused to be liberated—I told her I would not admit him to bail unless she was present and consented—on the Sunday she came again and again for the same purpose, but it was not till 11 o'clock at night that he consented—next morning he went himself before the Magistrate, and she did not appear against him.

COURT. Q. Did he ask tobe bailed at first? A. No; the first application was by the wife and her mother—they came repeatedly, and were allowed to see him in the cell, and it was at her entreaty that he allowed himself to be bailed—she appeared very much excited—she came with the servant before he was brought to the station.

WILLIAM GROSVENOR . I am a physician, of Essex Road—on Friday morning, a little after 12 o'clock, I was sent for to the prisoner's house and found the deceased in a very exhausted state—she complained of pains in her throat, back, and side, and put her hand in various places, but she was in such a low state that I could not examine her with safety—I prescribed for her, as I thought she was suffering from pleurisy—I prescribed beef tea, but no stimulants—she died en 3rd August—I believe the primary course of death was pleurisy, accelerated undoubtedly by what I found after death—I made a post-mortem examination on the Tuesday, two days afterwards,

and found the body very much emaciated, and on the left side, from the arm up to the ninth rib, were several severe bruises, extending from the outside of the nipple backwards to the spine—on the right side I found very much more severe bruises, so much so that the skin was separated from the parts beneath, and was puffy and doughey to the touch, and there was a recent scratch on the shoulder blade—on the point of each shoulder I found ecchymosis, but more particularly on one shoulder—there were considerable bruises on her throat, but it being warm weather decomposition might have begun, and I should expect it to begin sooner after an injury—I can't say whether they were finger marks, they were darker in some places than others, but it was almost one mass of bruises—if the bruises on the ribs were produced by a man's fist I should expect the ribs to be fractured—the back was one mass of bruises, from ene side to the other—I should think it more likely to have been done with a stick—the bruises on the right side were very much more severe than the left, more especially from the fourth rib to the ninth, where the skin separated from the muscles—the heart was a little soft, but healthy, and the internal organs generally were healthy, except one of the kidneys which was a little diseased, but that had nothing to do with death—there was inflammation of the pleura, and under the part corresponding to the more severe blows there were adhesion which were easily broken down and therefore recent—I found considerable effusion in the chest, of serum coloured with blood, arising from the inflammation of the pleura—she died from pleurisy in a very weakened constitution, and accelerated by this treatment—I believe such treatment would cause pleurisy, but it might also arise from other causes; anyhow, such treatment as I saw the signs of, would accelerate death—she would, I think, have been much less likely to die of pleurisy if she had not had that treatment—she was a very weak, thin woman, and more liable to disease.

Cross-examined. If I had examined the lungs and observed the extensive inflammation of the pleura, having heard nothing of the ill-treatment, and not having seen the external bruises, I should have said that the inflamed state of the pleura was sufficient to account for death, and that she died from pleurisy—when pleurisy is produced by violence you generally find a rib fractured—adhesions of the pleura to the chest are frequent after active inflammation of the pleura—I do not think the pleurisy was of long standing—I have heard that from 19th July to the Tuesday week following she was not confined to the house—I was called in after midnight on Thursday—if a violent attack of pleurisy had set in on the previous Tuesday it might arrive at a crisis which would cause death on the following Sunday—we had unexampled hot weather at the time I made the examination—the state of the atmosphere, and the length of time after death, sometimes causes extraordinary appearances on the outside; but not being satisfied, I went on Monday morning to examine the body, and found the bruises there—they were in places where I should not expect to find cadaverous marks, on account of the gravitation of the blood—the left side, from the collar bone down almost to the ninth rib, appeared to be entirely discoloured; there were some very small places, not the width of this pen, which were not discoloured—it is a fact that marks supposed to have been given by a stick have really been produced by the pressure of the folds, if the body has been enveloped in clothes and sheets—the

patches were dark blue on the right side, or you might call it purple and reddish in other places; they were more or less continuous on the left side, and went round almost to the spine—I have made many post-mortem examinations; I know mistakes have been made in cadaveric appearances, bruises have been mistaken for natural appearances sometimes, and vice versa, so much so that it is necessary to be extremely cautious not to be led into error—the cadaveric appearances are produced by the cooling of the body; it is the fact that when after death the capillaries have lost their contractibility, that livid appearance is produced, and although the skin is pale, it becomes covered with patohes of a bluish or slatish colour, diffusing themselves over the greater part of the trunk and limbs—from what I heard and saw I think the appearances were the result of bruises; if it was uniform I should expect gravitation had something to do with it—I saw the body ten hours after death—I did not examine the surface of the body during life, but not being satisfied I went ten or twelve hours after death to make inquiries—most terrible mistakes have been made with respect to bruises—it is one of the characteristics of these patches that they are excessive, but in this case the bruises had nothing to do with gravitation—a person suffering from pleurisy Could not have gone to her daily work from the 19th to the next Tuesday week, it must have come on, since it was almost at its zenith when I saw her, or I should say that it had then existed several days, or there could not have been the ad hesion—I believe it came on before the Tuesday, because there were adhesions which could not have formed rapidly—if she had had pleurisy and gone about her work she would have suffered from shortness of breath and inflammatory action.

Re-examined. The bruises on the right side were—worse than the left, the skin was separated from the muscles, which was not consistent with cadaveric appearances to that extent—days must have elapsed before that, it could not occur in 48 hours.

COURT. Q. Have you any doubt now that what you saw was the result of bruises inflicted during life? A. I have no doubt, certainly, those on the right side, I have not the slightest doubt about them—if the injuries had been inflicted a fortnight before, the bruises would still remain longer than a fortnight—I did not see her body while she was alive, but I did ten hours after death; there were then appearances of bruises which might have been a fortnight old, and there was a recent scratch on the shoulder, but that might be accidental—pleurisy may be the result of a blow or a Cold, and it is quite as likely that you may take cold in summer as well as winter, and cold, undoubtedly, will bring on pleurisy, especially if a person is weak, as she was, and standing about on the cold flags; she could have had pleurisy and gone about her work, but ft would not be to any extent—slight pleurisy will sometimes get worse without any assimilating cause, especially if the person moves about—squeezing the throat would not have any tendency to cause pleurisy, but kneeling on a person would, there must be some injury held in the throat, the attack must have existed some days.

MR. SERJEANT SLEIGH. Q. Do you happen to know from her that she had been months a patient before at King's College Hospital? A. At some hospital—the prisoner exhibited anxiety about his wife, and expressed his fear lest this pressure on her neck had something to do with her death—the deceased never mentioned any ill-treatment.

COURT. Q. Did you ask her how she got the bruises? A. No, I did

not see them while she was alive—I saw a mustard plaster on the collar and asked what it was put there for—I think the prisoner's mother said she put it there.

Witnesses for the Defence.

SARAH LB FUELLE . I am the prisoner's mother—I have lived with him since his marriage—I recollect this disturbance of 19th July—after it was over the servant Collins said to me that she would hang her master if she could, because he ill-treated her mistress like that—the prisoner and his wife were very fond of each other, and very kind to each other, except at those times when they had quarrels—on the Tuesday before Mrs. Le Fuelle died I put mustard and linseed poultices on her shoulder.

COURT. Q. Did they quarrel occasionally? A. Yes; sometimes they have fought, and he has struck her—she aggravated him so much that he has lost his temper, and then he beat her—he did not beat her exactly, he frequently said if she would not hold her tongue he would—she never did hold her tongue, and sometimes he has struck her—she would call him all the names she could think of—I have begged her to come away—she was very passionate—she was not very often in this aggravating way; if he said anything to her, she would always aggravate him as far as she could—they may have had two falls out this year, one before this last one—they may have had quarrels, but no beating that I recollect—when he struck her before this he gave her a slap in the face or bead, nothing more, not with his doubled fist—I can't tell how many times altogether I have seen her beaten, not a dozen, several—there have been a good many falls out since they have been married—I can't say he has not beaten her twenty times—I was at home at the time of this disturbance—I was down in the kitchen—I went up stairs, and saw him having hold of her by the neck—I did not see him kneeling on her—she was on the floor, he was stooping over her—after he was taken to the station, she wanted to go and get him out, and wanted me to go with her at 11 o'clock at night—nothing was done to her that night—next day she ate her food in the ordinary way, nothing seemed the matter with her—she went to business after that—she had been ill a long time, ever since last April—she took to her bed on the Tuesday before she died—she came home ill—I put poultices on her shoulder—I did not notice any bruises—I did not take her things off—I did not notice anything the matter with her throat, she did not complain of it—she and I were generally good friends—she did not like me, she used to find fault with me very often, but I never said anything to her—she went every day to her husband's workshop to work, from the time this occurred till the Tuesday—she used to write for him, copying—they have children—they were at home all the time—when I saw him having hold of her throat I pulled him away, and told him to get away—when the policeman came he went up stairs—he said if they would let him alone and send the mob away, be would come down.

LOUISA WOOD . I live in St. John Street—about two months ago Jemima Collins came to me to pay me some money, and in conversation about the prisoner and his wife, she said it was more the wife's fault than the husband's; that she was constantly aggravating and irritating him.

COURT. Q. What was more the wife's fault? A. That I don't know, I did not ask—I asked how Mrs. Le Fuelle was, and said "Whose fault do you believe it is that there are so many words?"—she said since she had been there she found that her mistress was very aggravating, and if she would

hold her tongue there would not be the words nor yet the blows there were—I am a laundress, and washed for Mrs. Le Fuelle seven years and a half—I have never seen her with a black eye.

SARAH MAPLES . I live at Pentonville, and am in the prisoner's employment as a copyist, I went there about March last—I used to go out for their dinner—although a dinner was provided, the deceased was in the habit of sending out for stewed eels, buns, and all kinds of things, she had a very unwholesome appetite—I always found the prisoner treat her with great kindness—he has sent out for port wine for her—he generally went out to his dinner—on Thursday evening, 24th July, they had supper together in Brownlow Street, the deceased was in very good spirits that night—she was very persistent in wanting to sleep there that night—she said she would sleep in the wash-house—they were busy that night—the prisoner said if she would not go and take a bed at a public-house opposite she must go home, she could not sleep at the office—she appeared quite well, in her usual state of health—on 29th July she told me that she had been to King's College Hospital and they had told her that she had pleurisy, and that the doctor sounded her and said she ought to go home and have mustard poultices on; that nothing could be done—and that same day she went to her mother's.

Cross-examined. I remember the 24th because I stayed late that night and slept at the public-house, and she slept in the next room.

COURT. Q. How old are you? A. Sixteen—she used to tell me of their quarrels—I never saw him strike her or call her names—I once saw a mark on her neck—a red scratch across the neck, and once she had a black eye, that was shortly after I had been there—I never saw any bruise or wound.

Two witnesses deposed to the prisoner's good character.

GUILTY .— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-526
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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526. THOMAS LEWIS (38) , Feloniously killing and slaying Charles Little.

MR. BROMBY conducted the Prosecution; and MR. FRITH the Defence.

JAMES SUMNER . I am a blacksmith, of Flint Street, Poplar—on 5th August I was out with a young woman to whom I was engaged to be married, named Purdy—I took her home to 53, Upper Wilson Street, Poplar, about 10 o'clock—the prisoner, who was sitting on the door-step called her an improper name, and said that she stopped out till 2 o'clock in the morning—he is not related to her—I asked him what he meant by it—he rushed at me and I struck him—the young woman went into her room and on returning I got a blow from the prisoner, on my head—I can't say what with—I went to a doctor and had it dressed.

Cross-examined. It was comparatively dark—I did not go into the girl's room—I was very much annoyed when he called her names—I struck him before he struck me—he struck at me two or three times, and I struck at him two or three times—I saw the girl to her room door—the prisoner was in his room then—his room was the front and hers the back—he struck me with an instrument on the side of my head—I did not strike him after that—I did not see Little there.

PHILLIS PURDY . I was living in the same house with the prisoner on 5th August—about 10 o'clock Sumner brought me home—when we got to the door, the prisoner was sitting on the step—he told me I should not enter

—I said I had as much right to enter as he had, as I paid my rent—he called me names—my young man stood at a distance, but came forward and asked him what he meant; the prisoner rushed at him, and my young man in self-defence, struck him first—he saw me safe to my room door, which is on the ground-floor back, and as he went away the prisoner came out and struck him on the side of the head—I did not see anything in his hand—I was taking him to the doctor's, and saw Charles Little being led along by the landlady.

Cross-examined. It was pretty dark, but the lights in the street showed a light in the passage—I did not see Little there, but I heard the landlady call him—I was very much agitated and confused—a man named Sadler was not there—I can't say that the prisoner had any instrument.

ELIZABETH CAHSLEDEN . I keep the house where the prisoner lives—on 5th August, about 10 o'clook p. m., I heard scuffling at the street-door, and saw the prisoner sitting on the step—the young woman asked him to allow her to pass, but he would not—he called her a very bad name, and I called out to him to allow her to pass, as she had as much right there as he had—Sumner came in sideways and there was a scuffle—the prisoner then went into his room—Sumner went up the passage with the young woman to her door, and as he came back, the prisoner came out with this iron bolt (produced) in his hand, and struck Sumner over the head with it—the young woman took him away to have his head dressed, and I called to Mr. Little, who occupied the first floor, "For God's sake, come down, Lewis is murdering a man"—Little came down—the prisoner then returned to his roomLittle went into the street, and was returning—he had only put his foot on the door-mat, when the prisoner rushed out and struck him on the head with the bolt—Little staggered; I ran to his assistance, put my hand to his head, and it was smothered with blood—he was quite insensible—I took him to the doctor, and found Sumner there having his head dressed—Little went to Arbour Square and gave his evidence next morning—that was Tuesday—he remained in my house till Friday at 7.30, when he got worse, and I took him to the London Hospital.

Cross-examined. I was standing on the stairs, about half-way downthere was no scuffle with Little—Sumner never saw Little, nor did Little see Sumner—the deceased did not live with me—the passage is not very long—the prisoner had the bolt in his right hand—I saw the whole of it—I was on the staircase the greater part of the evening—I was very much excited and confused, but I know what I saw—Little was forty-five years old—I have three children living with me—I have three rooms, but two are let.

Prisoner. I beg your pardon, she lives with me. Witness. There is no ground for saying that—there is no improper relation between us—his wife took the room of me at 3s. 6d. a week—Little had lodged with me two years—he was married, but his wife did not live with him.

CHARLOTTE KAY . I am the wife of James Kay, 63, Upper Walker Street—I was passing No. 53A, about 10 o'clock, and saw the deceased go into the house—I stood against the door and saw the prisoner come out, lift his right hand and strike the deceased on the head—there was a lamp outside, which threw a light into the passage, but I could not swear what the prisoner had in his hand—I fetched a constable—Little staggered up against the wall after the blow.

Cross-examined. I was close against the step of the door, and saw the prisoner rush out of his front parlour—Little was on the step, on the mat—

the prisoner was the worse for liquor—he was not very agitated or confused nor was I.

WILLIAM LEWIS MORGAN . I am house surgeon at the London Hospital—on 8th August the deceased was admitted, he had a wound on his left temple, a little larger than a shilling—he was sensible, but he could not speak, and could not use his right side so well as his left—he had compound fracture of the skull, and I complained that his friends had not brought him earlier—several pieces of bone were removed that night, next day he was much worse, and had several fits, and on Sunday, at 3 o'clock, he died from the effects of the blow—he had a hole in his brain, corresponding with the injury—this instrument would be very likely to cause the injury.

Cross-examined. I don't think the buckle of an ordinary leather strap would do it, it would depend entirely on the weight of the metal—the walls of the temple are not exceedingly thin there—a fall against a door-post might injure the membranes of the brain—the inflammation of the braid might have been increased by his knocking about—he died of inflammation of the membranes of the brain, consequent on the injuries—if a man were to fall on this bolt, it would depend upon the part of the skull which came upon it whether it would be likely to make a jagged wound or cause splinters—if the bolt was standing up in the ground it would not matter whether the head went to it, or it to the head.

ELIZABETH CASSLEDEN (re-examined). This was the instrument used, because I saw it in his hand in the early part of the evening, when he wits sitting on the door-step saying what he would do when the young woman came in—he said "When they come in they can have three inches of this"—he was very much annoyed, I don't know why—I could distinguish it in his hand when he struck the blow.—LEIGHTON (Policeman R 18). I took the prisoner in his own parlour—he had barricaded the door—I asked him to open it, and he came to the door with a large poker in his hand—I told him if he struck me with the poker I should give him my staff, which I had in my hand—he then threw the poker under the bed, and put his right hand to reach a knife from the table—I said "If you take one of them I shall break your arm"—I took hold of his hand, and never let go of him—I took him to the station, went back, and found this bolt on the sideboard—Mrs. Cassleden identified it as the one the blow was struck with.

Cross-examined. It was lying there openly—there was no blood on it—he is a cooper, and this is a rivetting punch.

W. L. MORGAN (re-examined) I should think the wound might he made with little or no blood on the bolt.

GUILTY .— Twenty Years' Penal Servitude.

THIRD COURT.—Friday, August 22nd, 1873.

Before Mr. Deputy Recorder.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-527
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Miscellaneous > sureties

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527. WILLIAM WILLIAMSON (56) , Unlawfully and maliciously publishing a certain defamatory libel of and concerning Joseph Augustus Levien.

MESSRS. MONTAGU WILLIAMS and STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution; and MR. COOPER the Defence. The letter containing the libel was read, and was addressed to "Joseph Augustus Leñen (the murderer of the late S. W. Cooper, of 43, Lincoln's Inn fields), 6, Arlington Square, Brampton"

JOSEPH AUGUSTUS LEVIEN . I live at 6, Arlington Square, and am a solicitor's clerk—I for many years knew a gentleman named Cooper, a solicitor—I have some knowledge of the prisoner; he used to call at the office occasionally, and do work for Mr. Cooper—Mr. Cooper died at my residence on 24th June, 1871—I received this letter (produced) on 2nd July, 1873—it is in the prisoner's writing.

Cross-examined. Mr. Cooper's mother's name was Susanna Lally—she married a second time—I was most intimate with her before her death—I do not think I was at her house the night before she died—she lay ill for some days—she did not leave Mr. Cooper 12,000l.—I think her estate was sworn under 7,000l., and it was oversworn—the whole of her property did not go to Mr. Cooper—there were certain legacies appearing by the will—I was not the residuary legatee—the residue of her will went to Mr. Cooper, who then made his will—I swear that I did not get 7,000l. by Mr. Cooper, I had not a shilling, and when the estate is realised it will not pay the legacies—as far as I can recollect there was a legacy to my motherin-law, I think of 200l.; to my son, I think of 500l.; to my wife 2,000l.; independent of her present or any future husband; to his two maiden aunts, the Misses Cooksley, 1,000l., and a legacy to his old managing clerk, who was with him for 23 years—I had been with him for 26 years—the will is registered at Doctors' Commons, and I have the Probate.

MR. WILLAMS objected to this line of cross-examination, inasmuch as the prisoner had not put in a plea of justification.

MR. COOPER, in support of the course he was taking, cited "Roscoe's Digest" page 654, also "Kelly v. Sherlock," 2nd Q. B., Reports, 686; "Kelly v. Tinsley," in same, and" Hunter v. Sharp," Law Reports.

THE COURT considered that the Statute 6 & 7, Vic, c, sec. 6, precluded the defendant from going into these particulars; he could not go into any defence showing that the fact alleged as a libel was true, he might adduce circumstances tending to disprove malice.

Witness continued. Mrs. Lally at the time of her death was not possessed of a great many valuable paintings—she had two or three—I think she had two that were considered of value—I forget how many there were valued by the valuer—what furniture was not sold Mr. Cooper brought round to my house—she may have been buried on the 23rd March, 1871—she died in March, 1871—immediately after her death Mr. Cooper came and-lived with me—he had lived with me for many years previously to that—he died on the 24th June, 1871, and was buried a few days afterwards—he died, I believe, on a Saturday, and, I think, was buried the Wednesday or Thursday following—I did not write to the maiden aunts, inviting them to the funeral; they were old ladies—I am almost certain that I sent them a telegram on the Sunday after he died: "Melancholy news of poor Samuel. Prepare for the worst. I will write you further to-morrow. "They were old ladies, therefore I did not say your nephew is dead, and they received a letter on the 26th—I have no doubt the telegram produced is the first I sent them after he was dead, and here is a letter from them acknowledging mine—I proved the will on 3rd July—that was about as soon as I could have proved it—I produce a rough draft of the will made by Mr. Cooper—the whole of it is in his writing, with the exception of a few alterationshe was very negligent in his way of doing these things—the prisoner was never clerk to Mr. Cooper or to me—he used to call there for processes for service, and he was dismissed by Mr. Cooper for various transactions—some

three or four years before Mr. Cooper's death he forbad the prisoner to come near the office, and he applied to me for 20l. as due from Mr. Cooper to him—Mrs. Armstrong is my mother-in-law—on proving the will leave was reserved to ray co-executor and he renounced—he received no money from me—the attesting witnesses were Charles Leech and Jane Bellamy, servants of mine, one still resides with me and the other is in a situation somewhere by Kingsland—I think Leech was about 16 or 17 years of age—Mr. Cooper died very suddenly, in a fit—the medical man who was there when I returned was Dr. Johnson, of 8, Arlington Square, next door to me—no inquest was held—I did not enter his death in a newspaper—I believe about two hours and a half elapsed between the seizure and the death—they sent for several medical men, but the gentleman next door arrived, and the others were stopped—(The register of death was here read)—I was absent when the medical man was there—I went down to see the aunts not very long after the funeral; I no doubt told them what was left them—I cannot tell whether I advanced one of them 50l. at that time—I had to administer to Mrs. Lally's will as well as being executor to Mr. Cooper; I may have done so—I remember Mr. Henry Thomas Colea, I recollect that he died; he was no relation of mine—I was not benefited under his will; I was joint executor with another for the purpose of carrying on certain Chancery suits for him—my wife and my son did not receive considerable legacies under the will—I think he left them 50l. each, but the estate was insolvent and there was not sufficient to pay the liabilities—the costs were deducted—I know that the prisoner wrote some scandalous letters to the aunts; they informed me of it—the first, as far as I can recollect, was October the 14th—these letters produced appear to be in my writing; (Dated 2nd and 3rd July, October 30, 2nd December, and 3rd December t 1871). Mr. Cooper's insolvency was before I knew him—I have no idea what he paid in the pound—I never resided with a Madame de Vine, in Newman Street, Oxford Street—there was never such an insinuation as my being indicted for keeping an improper house—I never went by any other ñame than Levien—I daresay my brothers, when I have been a boy, have called me "Joe"—I am not at all surprised to hear that the prisoner applied to the Home Office in this matter after his threat to me, when he came and demanded 20l.—he may also have applied to the Coroner; he may also have applied to the AttorneyGeneral; nothing surprises me—my co-executor was one of Mr. Cooper's clerks, to whom he left 200l.—he was Mr. Cooper's managing clerk—I had not done any business with Mr. Cooper for many years—I had no office with him in Lincoln's Inn Fields—he lived in my house eight or ten years formerly, then he lived with his mother, and after his mother's death he returned—I think for twenty-six years he was not three days absent from my house—my co-executor was prevented from acting with me partly by his suffering from gout—he renounced the executorship; he never called at my house in his life.

Re-examined. Mr. Cooper was on terms of great friendship with me, and he expressed great gratitude to my wife and myself for attending him in a serious illness he had—he had seen very little of the two old ladies; he left them 500l. each—about a month or six weeks after Mr. Cooper's death the prisoner waited in the street for me to leave my house, and came up and said "So, Mr. Levien, Mr. Cooper is dead"—I said "Yes," and passed on—he said "I suppose you know he owes me 20l."—I said "Mr. Williamson,

don't address me in the street"—I passed on; he followed me up, and said "I expect you will pay"—I passed on, he followed me to the corner of the terrace, and called out "I will stick to you; "I went into the road—I was once going into one of the Courts in Westminster Hall, and there was a man near, evidently a stranger to him; he went up to the man, pulled him by the sleeve, and pointed, evidently calling the man's attention to me; he was pointing and saying something to the man—I met him on another occasion in Leicester Square; he followed at my heels, and said "I will put Wate on to you, you will give him back his license"—a short time after that I received a letter from the prisoner's attorney, in which he said that he had been instructed by Mr. Wate to claim a license for horse breaking, which had been deposited with Mr. Cooper by a Mr. Bunting, in 1864"—I searched everywhere, and could find no such thing—he issued a writ; I entered an appearance, and searched at the Patent Office, and found that in 1864 a provisional protection for such a thing had been granted, for which 5s. had been paid, but beyond that no such license had ever been granted, either here or in any other country; I entered an appearance and the proceedings dropped—from the end of 1871 down to the time I caused the prisoner to be arrested I had had information from the Misses Cooksley that he had been writing to them—I treated the prisoner with contempt until I found I was compelled to prosecute him—my co-executor under the will had some claims against the estate; he renounced, and it was settled by Mr. Cooper—I have paid the old ladies their legacies, with the exception of 75l. each, which they have consented to take at 25l. a quarter, as the rents come in, rather than sell the property, and then they might not realise.

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Imprisonment , and to enter into recognizances.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-528
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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CATHERINE BRYAN— Twelve Months' Imprisonment.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-529
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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529. HENRY FENTON (28) , Feloniously forging and uttering a receipt for 12s. 6d„ with intent to defraud.

THOMAS GREVILLE POTTER . I am a lamp manufacturer, and have a warehouse in Oxford Street—the prisoner has been, in my service; I think over eighteen months—I discharged him on the 26th June last—he had no authority to receive my letters from the postman on 27th June, or to sign this receipt for a registered letter "Henry Fenton for Potter"—the postoffice order produced is from Glasgow—I never gave him authority to sign it—I did not know that he had paid away the order and got money for it till after he was in custody.

Cross-examined. I think he was in my employment eighteen months—during that time we frequently had disputes—I had discharged him on several previous occasious—I did not take him by the throat—I turned him out—my temper is very much tried—I did not find him there next day, and take him into my employment again—once he came back next day—on both occasions I turned him out forcibly—on the first occasion he obtained employment elsewhere—he came back probably a month or six weeks after; probably a fortnight, and entreated mo to take him back—on

the second occasion he probably treated the matter as an ordinary occurrence, and came back to his work as usual—T did not say then that I was sorry I had turned him out forcibly—on the last occasion, the 29th, I found him there again as formerly—he again entreated me to take him in—he had never, while in my employ, been in the habit of receiving registered letters for me—I do not remember more than two registered letters in my experience—if one arrived in my absence, the postman should take it away and come again—I cannot say what I should have done if he had signed his name to the receipt, as I had no experience of such a case—I forbade him distinctly and imperatively to sign my name—I have a tolerably large business.

Re-examined. I did not take him back on the 27th—I did not know that he had passed the post-office order—the 12s. 6d. was not paid over to me—I knew nothing about it.

EDWARD PROOM . I live at "The Limes, "New Cross—the prisoner rents a house of mine in Smyrk's Road, Old Kent Road—I received this postoffice order, from either his wife or mother in payment of rent—I should imagine it was signed when given to me—I have not signed it myself—I paid it into the banker's.

Cross-examined. I do not know from whom I received it—I have a number of houses and receive rents frequently, small sums from 10s. to 5l. or 10l.—it is not an unusual thing to receive sums like this for rent—the prisoner paid me 11s. a week—it was paid pretty regularly.

HENRY RUMBOLD . I am a detective officer in the General Post Office—I produce a post-office money order for 12s. 6d., and the Glasgow letter of advice for 12s. 6d. from the principal office—the order was paid in due course through the London and Westminster Bank—the advice was "John Lane in favour of Mr. Potter."

Cross-examined. This order purports to come from Glasgow—that is all I know—there is the advice showing that the order was obtained—that would be sent by the Post Office authorities, and the order would be given to the person obtaining it.

MR. BROMBY submitted the order should be proved by the person who sent it, or by the person who gave it at Glasgow, and not by some person who received it in London; it was also necessary to prove that another order of that hind did not come from Glasgow. THE COURT; "It is not questioned where it came from" MR. BESLEY contended that as it was proved by a servant of the Post Office, that the order represented 12s. 6d., and that that sum went out afterwards, that was sufficient.

THE COURT considered that the only question was whether the prisoner signed the order without authority.

THOMAS GREVILLE POTTBR (re-examined). The writing on this order is the prisoner's—I had daily acquaintance with his writing during the time he was in my employment.

Cross-examined. I produce books with his writing in—there are two handwritings there, one his and one mine—I saw him write every day—I swear to his writing.

WILLIAM DIXEY (Policeman W 38). I am a letter carrier—I know the prisoner as having been a servant in the employment of Mr. Potter, of Oxford Street—on 27th June I met him a few minutes before 9 o'clock in the morning, a few yards from Mr. Potter's door—I had a registered letter, and two others for Mr. Potter, and he said "Have you any letters for us?"—I said "Yes"—it was my duty to get signatures for registered letters—

he signed this receipt (produced) in my presence—I saw him write that—he wrote it next door but one to the house—the shop was shut—I gave him the other letters as well as the registered letter.

Cross-examined. I had known him in the prosecutor's employment for some time—I used to give letters to him—he was there, and on this occasion I gave them in the same way—I believe the shop was shut up—I saw the man outside, and naturally gave him the letters—I very seldom bring registered letters there—it would be the ordinary thing if Fenton was in the shop to sign his own name for that letter, unless ordered to the contrary—on that occasion he signed—it is the usual thing when a person is not at home to sign for the party it is for.

THOMAS GREVILLE POTTER (re-examined). Until the prisoner came into my service, I never missed a post-office order—I receive a great many postoffice orders.

Cross-examined. I live at Camberwell—the Albany Road leads into the Old Kent Road—my address is not Albany Road, Old Kent Road—my house is about 300 or 400 yards from the Old Kent Road.


He also PLEADED GUILTY to a former conviction of felony at Newcastle-onTyne, on 10th March, 1862.— Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-530
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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530. MINASSIA PARSEEK (42), PLEADED GUILTY to feloniously engraving a metal plate, purporting to be a part of an undertaking for the payment of Russian roubles— Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

FOURTH COURT, Friday, August 22nd, 1873.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-531
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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531. GEORGE COOPER (21) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Sarah Mills, and stealing therein a coat.

MR. SIMS conducted the Prosecution.

FRANCIS MILLS . I live at 153, Bancroft Road, Mile End—on the night of 10th July the house was locked up about 11 o'clock, and the back window shut—about 6 o'clock next morning I was called up by a constable, and found the back room in a disordered state, and a coat missing—that was all we missed at the time—the back window was open—we afterwards missed several other things belonging to me and my brother; this coat is mine.

STEADMAN, NICHOLLS (Policeman K 433). On 11th July, about 4 o'clock in the morning, I was on duty in Bancroft Road, and I saw the prisoner carrying a bundle containing the articles produced—when he saw me he dropped the bundle and ran away—I followed him, caught him, and took him to the station—I found some lucifer matches in a closet next door to where the burglary had been committed—he was wearing the coat—he told me he lived in Westminster.

The Prisoner, in his defence, stated that he found the bag and contents on some waste ground while going to his work in the morning.

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Imprisonment.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-532
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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532. ROBERT WILLIAMS (25) , Feloniously cutting and wounding John Watson, with intent to do him some grievous bodily harm.

MR. SIMS conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN WATSON . I am a seaman belonging to the ship Hudson, lying in Shad well Basin—on 8th August the prisoner came on board in the evening—he had a knife in his hand—I asked him if he was going to kill anyone

with it—he-said "I will let you know in a minute"—he was standing up in the gangway—I said "You don't go forward with that knife"—he replied "Insult me and I will let you know what I will do with it in a minute"—I got hold of him and pushed him—we were wrestling awhile, and he stabbed me three times—he did it on purpose—he put his knife open in his pocket afterwards—I was in the hospital two or three days.

By THE COURT. I had not a belaying pin in my hand when I went on board, and I did not strike the prisoner with one—.

WHS boatswain of the ship; he is a seaman—I did not worry him during the voyage—he was a very contrary man; if you told him to do anything he would not—I had spoken to him about fetching a bucket and he would not.

JOHN DOUGLAS . I was on board the ship Hudson on the night of 8th August, and saw the prisoner and the boatswain fighting—T did not see that he had a knife in his hand—they got on pretty well during the voyage; sometimes they had cross words—they had commenced a quarrel while washing the deck the same morning—when Watson had finished fighting with the prisoner, he went and fought with a man who is dead—I heard the prisoner say "I see the son of a b----coming, now I'll do fur him"—before I could get to the forecastle, Watson and the prisoner were fighting—Watson struck three or four blows, and the prisoner ran and got a handspike—afterwards he put the handspike down, and they went to fighting with their fists—I did not see that Watson had been stabbed—after this fight, Watson wanted to fight another man.

Prisoner's Defence. He had annoyed me during all the passage. He bad knocked against me on shore the same night, near The Bells. He afterwards laid wait for me with a belaying pin behind him. He said he had a great mind to kill me; I told the second mate, who came on deck at the time, about it. I had been eating some ham and bread, and was picking my teeth with a knife when I went on board.


(See page 364).

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-533
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment > other institution; Imprisonment

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533. JOSEPH DAWSON (16), JOHN ERRINGTON (16), and CHARLES JUNEX (17) , Stealing a gelding, the property of John Noon.

MR. MEAD conducted the Prosecution; and MR. SAFFORD defended Junex.

JOHN NOON . I am a butcher, at 119, Park Street, Orosvenor Square—on 29th July, I had a horse on Plaistow Marshes—I have seen it since in the hands of the police—it is worth 25l.—I did not authorise the prisoners to remove it.

Cross-examined. I did not see it on the 29th July—it was in the hands of the police next morning.

MARK GIBBONS . I am employed to look after horses on Plaistow Marshes—Mr. Noon's horse was there on 28th July—I saw the prisoners that evening, about 7 o'clock—on the 30th the horse was gone.

Cross-examined. I have been there all my life—I have about thirty to sixty horses to look after for different people—the Marshes are two or three miles across—they open on to the road.

Dawson. I was not there. Witness. I have no doubt about them—I passed them on the road—I can swear to them by their general appearance.

FREDERICK COLLINS . I am a labourer, of Little Ilford—I saw the three prisoners with Mr. Noon's horse on 29th July, at East Ham Marshes.

Cross-examined. They had got out of the marshes with the horse—I passed them on the road.

JOHN NEWMAN . I am a carman—on Wednesday morning, 30th July, between 10 and 11 o'clock, I saw the prisoners with a horse near the Royal Oak—Errington said "Will you buy it?"—I. did not like the appearance of the horse, and they went on the road towards Harrow—I told the police.

Cross-examined. They were walking along with the horso in the usual way; not in a suspicious manner—Junex was a little way on in front.

JOHN ELAMS (Police Sergeant X 1). On 30th July, I was at the Middlesex police-station—about 10. 30 I saw the three prisoners pass with a horse—Dawson was riding it, Errington walking close by its side, and Junex was about two yards in advance, on the foot path—I spoke to a constable and they were brought back—I asked Dawson where he had the horse from—he said he had not seen it—I asked the other two, and they said they knew nothing about it—I charged them—Dawson said he had never seen the horse, Errington said he met Dawson with the horse between Romford and Brentford that morning, and Junex said he met them near London Bridge.

Cross-examined. I know nothing against Junex.

JAMES SWAIN (Policeman A R 417). I was sent by Newman after the prisoners, and found them at the Coach and Horses—the horse was tied up against the railings—Junex had a pot of beer in his hand, at the door—Dawson ran away as soon as he saw me—I asked him what he knew about the horse, he said "Nothing"—I asked him what he ran for, he said he had not been running—I took him to the station with the others.

GUILTY .—DAWSON and ERRINGTON— One Months' Imprisonment each , and Five Years' in a Reformatory.

JUNEX— Two Years' Imprisonment.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-534
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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534. HENRY BATTCHER (40) , Feloniously wounding Sarah Battcher, with intent to do her some grievous bodily harm.

MR. LANGFORD conducted the Prosecution; and MR. MEAD the Defence.

SARAH BATTCHER . I am the prisoner's wife, and live at 23, Pont Place, Chelsea—He is a picture frame maker—I have been married to him five months on 19th July—I have known him for a year—this last two months he has treated me very badly indeed—on 28th July, between 1 and 2 o'clock in the afternoon, I was in the first-floor front room with him—he had not been out at all that day—I said to him "You must not go out to-day, for Mr. Hussey wishes to see you"—he said "Why don't you speak to Mr. Hussey, he don't want me"—I said "No, he must see you," and then he used very filthy language to me—my landlady, Mrs. Hussey, came up, and said she would not have such language made use of—the prisoner told her to go down stairs and mind her own business—Mr. Hussey then came up and told him he was ashamed of him making use of such language, and he had better pay his rent and leave—he went away, and ray husband looked out at the window till he had gone up the street—he sat down on a chair opposite me, held up his fist, and said "You b----cow, I will just settle you, "you have been planning with that man to take the furniture and get rid of me; I said "No, Fred., I have not done anything of the kind; it is nothing to do with me now, you must talk to him; it was my property before I had you"—he got up and locked the door, and put the key in his pocket—I put my hands on his shoulder and said "Oh, Fred., for God's sake, don't you hurt mo"—he took hold of me and dashed mo on the bank of my head on the floor—he then drew the poker from the grate, and struck me one blow on the side of my head, and the blood flew—I called "Murder!"

as he threw me clown—he then struck me with a piece of wood across my arm and jaw, and cut my eye—this is the poker and piece of wood (produred)—Mrs. Hussey came up, and he struck her as she Went from the door—I rushed into the street, and left the prisoner in the room—a surgeon was called in, and on the Wednesday I went to St George's Hospital—the prisoner does not drink at all—he was not under the influence of drink on this occasion.

Cross-examined. The prisoner would sit for an hour or two without speaking—I have heard that he was in a lunatic asylum five years ago—I have said "I don't think he knew what he was about, or else he would not have done it"—he looked very wild indeed.

ELIZABETH HUSSEY . I am the wife of Thomas Hussey, 23, Pont Place—the prisoner was our lodger—on 28th July I hoard Mrs. Battcher halloa out "Murder!"—I ran up stairs, and the prisoner hit me two or three times en the head with this stick—before that he had used very bad language to Mrs. Battcher, and I remonstrated with him—he said "Go down stairs and mind your own business"—I said "It is my business, the only thing you can do is to pay the rent, and leave my house"—I know nothing about Mrs. Battcher planning with my husband.

JOHN MORGAN . I am one of the house surgeons at St George's Hospital—on 30th July, Mrs. Battcher came there, suffering from a severe cut on the side of her head—it had been done some time, and had scabbed over—she had several bruises about her head—the wound might have been inflicted by this poker—she had a severe bruise on her right arm, and another on her left cheek, which might have been inflicted by this stick.

Cross-examined. I have only seen the prisoner in the dock—I could not tell now by a glance at him, whether—he has any symptoms of insanity.

JOHN DYMOND (Policeman B R 18). On 28th July, I was called by Mrs. Hussey, and took the prisoner into custody.

GUILTY of unlawfully wounding.

(See next Case).

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-535
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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535. HENRY BATTCHER was again indicted for feloniously wounding Elizabeth Hussey.

ELIZABETH HUSSEY . What I have stated in the last case is true.

JOHN MORGAN . On 28th July, Mrs. Hussey came to the hospital—she had a scalp wound at the back of her head, and a blood tumour at the top of her head, caused by effusion of blood under the scalp, which might have been caused by a blow from this stick—it was dangerous.

GUILTY of unlawfully wounding .— Twelve Months Imprisonment on the first indictment, and Six Months' Imprisonment for the assault on Mrs. Hussey, to run concurrently.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-536
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Corporal > whipping; Imprisonment; Corporal > whipping

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536. WILLIAM IVES (22), and GEORGE PILLARD (24) , Feloniously assaulting Edward Smith, with intent to rob him.

MR. MEAD conducted the Prosecution.

EDWARD SMITH . I am a tramway car driver, of 4, Mansfield Place, Kentish Town—on 12th July, about 12 o'clock, I was in Camden Rood—I met the prisoners and passed them—I turned my head round and Pillard caught me a violent blow on my head with a stick—a snatch was made at my watch chain, which burst two buttons off my waistcoat—the blow knocked rue down—I called out "Police!" and "Murder!" and the prisoners ran away and jumped over a garden wall—I Stood outside the garden till a

policeman came up, and we found them in the next garden to where they got over, 42, Hilldrop Road, lying under the wall—they were taken in custody—I saw one of them throw a stick over the church wall, and told the policeman where it was.

Ives. Q. How far was I from you when you were struck? A. About a yard, not more—it was a beautiful moonlight night—I will swear you are the man who was there—I took particular notice of you, because you spoke together, and eyed me from head to foot—you did not insult me.

Pillard. Q. How far had you passed us when we turned round and struck you? A. I might say five or six yards—the man was behind me when I was struck—I fell sideways—I was not senseless—I was not a minute lying in the road—I did not lose sight of you till you got over the wall.

JAMES TORVILLE (Policeman G 431). About 12 o'clock p. m., on 12th July, I was on duty in the Camden Road—I heard some one fall heavily on the pavement, and heard cries of "Murder!" and "Police!"—I saw two men running up Hilldrop Road, pursued by Smith—he said "I have been knocked down with a stick by two men, who attempted to rob me"—I found the two prisoners lying in a garden, on the top of one another, apparently asleep—the prosecutor said "These are the very men"—I said "What do you do here I"—Pillard said "We had half a pint of beer, and we came here to lie down"—I said "How long have you been here?"—he said—"Two or three hours; have not we, Bill?"—I said "You will have to go with meto the station"—they wore very insolent on the way—I sprang my rattle for assistance—I found this stick (produced) afterwards, near the church.

MATTHEW WYLIE (Policeman O 498). I heard a rattle spring, and saw the prisoners in custody, and assisted to take them to the station—they were very violent.

Ives Defence, I know nothing of the affair; and was asleep in the garden when the policeman woke me up.


Pillard was alto charged with having been before convicted.

GEORGE AGAR . I know Pillard, he is an old offender—I was present at this Court on 28th October, 1867, when he was sentenced to seven yearn' in the name of George Smith—he is now on ticket, of leave—I then proved numerous convictions against him.

EDWARD FREWIN (Policeman O 243). Pillard is the man who was convicted as George Smith.

GUILTY.**— Fifteen Years' Penal Servitude ; Twenty Lathes with the Cat, and Twenty Lashes at the expiration of six months. IVES— Two Years' Imprisonment , and Twenty Lashes with the Cat, and Twenty Lashes at the expiration of six months.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-537
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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537. JAMES SHALE (48) , Maliciously wounding William Drewell, with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

MR. CROOME conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM DREWELL . I am a merchant's clerk—on 16th July I was standing near the railway bridge on Ludgate Hill—I know the prisoner, he is the husband of the person who was housekeeper at 25, Ely Place, where I was employed—he rushed up to me, and said "Where is my wife? pulled a dagger out of his pocket, and tried to plunge it into my chest—I put my arm up to protect myself, and the dagger penetrated my arm just above the elbow—ho made a second stab at my breast, and it went in below my elbow—he then made another stab at me underneath, which I

warded off" with my arm—he then made another dart at my chest—I put up my other hand, mid it went through this finger—he tried to walk away, and a policeman came up and took him—I had my wounds dressed at the hospital.

Prisoner. He absconded from Ely Place at the same time as my wife did; he knows very well where she was.—MACGREGOR (City Policeman 488). On 16th July, about 2.30, I was on duty on Ludgate Hill, and saw the prosecutor and prisoner struggling together in the middle of the street—I went to separate them, and saw the prisoner stab Drewell in the hand with this dagger (produced)—he ran away about 20 yards—I caught him, and took the dagger out of his great coat pocket—I believe this is used by sailors for splicing ropes—the prisoner Las been a sailor, he is now a glazier—I took him into custody, and said "You have stabbed the man you were struggling with"—he said "A good job too, as he took my wife away last good Friday, and I wish he was dead, "

Prisoner's Defence. I had not the intention of doing anything of the kind. I was not myself at the time.

GUILTY of unlawfully wounding.Judgment respited.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-538
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Corporal > whipping

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538. LEWIS TAYLOR (20) , Robbery with violence, with another man, on George Horner, and stealing 18s., his money.

MR. HARRIS conducted the Prosecution; and MR. SIMS the Defence.

GEORGE HORNER , I live at 11, Fletcher's Row, Clerkenwell—on Saturday morning, 12th July, I weut with my wife to Muswell Hill—I met the prisoner and another man, and remained with them all day—I did not know them before—I gave them some beer-we left Muswell Hill at 8.30 in the evening, and the prisoner said "This is the nearest way to the train at Finsbury Park"—we went down a lane, one man stood at the right and the other stood at the left—the other man said to the prisoner "Let him have it in the b----head"—the other man then struck me in the mouth, and the prisoner delivered all the blown into me after that, and knocked me down and put his hand in my right hand pocket, but took nothing out—the other man put his hand in the other pocket and took 18s. out—they ran down the lane—I was sober, and so was the prisoner.

Cross-examined. We were drinking the whole day with these men from 1.30 to 8.30, in four public-houses—we had eight pots—the other man knocked me down—I was struck by the prisoner as I was getting up—my wife was a little way behind—there was nobody with her that I am aware of—that was the way to Finsbury Park, what they call Crouch Lane—the prisoner held my hands, while the other took the money out of my pocket—I called out and a man came up and said "It is a shame to rob a poor man like that, I shall take you in custody"—he is a witness—he was there when I gave the prisoner in custody.

MARGARET HORNER , I am the wife of the last witness—we were at Muswell Hill on 12th July, and met the prisoner and some other men—my husband treated them to some beer, and we left a public-house at 8.30—my husband was sober—and so was I—the prisoner said he knew the nearest way to the Seven Sisters Road, and took us down a lane—I was walking behind, alone—I saw my husband knocked down—when I got up to him he said "I have been knocked down and robbed, by these two men, the other one has run away"—he had got the prisoner—I ran to see if I could catch the other man—James Chandler was there.

Cross-examined. I had had a part of the beer during the day—I did not hear my husband call out, there was a turning in the lane—when I got up the prisoner was standing still by the side of my husband and the witness—I think the witness was holding him.

JAMES CHANDLER . I am a horse-keeper—on Saturday, 12th July, I saw the prisoner and another man, and the prosecutor and his wife, in the King's Head public-house, Crouch End—I saw them come out and go up a lane, and heard the prosecutor call out—I went up and saw the prisoner holding him down, in the act of striking him—he attempted to get away but I stopped him—I saw the other man run away previously—the prosecutor said he had been robbed—the prisoner said he should go after his mate, but I kept him in custody till we met a policeman.

Cross-examined. I was in the lane when I heard Horner call out—I had to pass Mrs. Horner—my mate was with me, we were all three walking together—I did not see the prisoner rifle the prosecutor's pockets, he was in the act of striking him on the ground—the man who rifled his pockets got away with the money before I got up to them.

CHARLES SMITH (Policeman Y 295.) I was on duty on the 12th July, in Stroud Green Lane—I saw the prosecutor and the prisoner and Chandler together—the prosecutor charged the prisoner with knocking him about and robbing him—when I took the prisoner he said "lam not the man you want, you want the one who has got the money, he has run away"—the prosecutor was sober.

Cross-examined. He complained at once, when I went up, of having lost 18.—I could not see the other man anywhere—the prisoner did not say "It must be the other man who has got the money"—I did not see any signs of drinking about the prosecutor.

GUILTY .**—He also PLEADED GUILTY to having been before convicted in June, 1866— Seven Years' Penal Servitude and Twenty Lashes with the Cat, and Twenty Lashes more at the expiration of six months.

NEW COURT.—Saturday, August 23rd, 1873.

Before Mr. Baron Bramwell.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-539
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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539. CHARLES ATHERLY (23) , (a black), Feloniously killing and slaying Benjamin Swan.

MR. GRIFFITHS conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES NORTH (Police Sergeant K 37). On 8th August I was at the London Hospital, at the bedside of Benjamin Swan, and saw the prisoner there—Swan was sworn, and made a deposition on oath, which he signed in my presence—the prisoner cross-examined him—this letter (produced) was given to me closed, on the morning of 16th August, by the porter of the London Hospital—there is no one here to prove whose writing it is—(Deposition read: "Benjamin Swan, on his oath, saith: I am a seaman of the ship Hudson, in the Shadwell Basin. There were two fellows fighting last night on board the vessel. The boatswain said to me I'll fight you. "The boatswain struck at me; I threw the boatswain. He halloed out that I had bit him. A whole crowd rushed on me. The boatswain then got a belaying pin, and before he got to me Charley, the prisoner, closed with me, and struck me with the belaying pin on the head. I then struck hard, and we gripped. I felt a knife in my side. I then remarked that he had

cut me, and tried to get the knife from his hand; by that means I got this cut on my right hand. I then fell on the deck, exhausted from loss of blood. He then took up the belaying pin, and struck me a second time. There had been a row brewing with the boatswain and another fellow this four or five weeks. Corss-examined by the Prisoner: I had a knife, and don't know how it got broken. The broken knife produced is mine. When Bob and the boatswain were fighting, I came on deck to see fair play. I did not draw any knife at all. You said 'Kill the son of a bitch,' meaning Bob. I did not break my knife. It was George's knife you cut me with. Charley, if I die this minute, you meant to stab me.—Benjamin Swan, his mark.")

JOHN DOUGLAS . I am a seaman, belonging to the ship Hudson—on 7th August she was lying in Shad well Basin—the prisoner was also a seaman—the deceased, Swan, came on deck that night between 12 and 1 o'clock—there was a row going on on deck—he bad a knife in his hand—he said "I come to see fair play, because I heard some of you are going to double-bank Bob, and two or more are going to get on one"—Williams is Bob's right name—the fight was between Williams and Watson and the boatswain—the prisoner said that if anyone interfered he would put his knife into him—one of them said "What have you got to do with it?"—the prisoner said "I like to see fair play; I have struck a blow already for you once"—the prisoner struck Williams two or three blows with a belaying pin—the deceased went towards the prisoner with his knife, and raised his hand—the prisoner struck him three or four blows with the belaying pin and broke his knife, and then the row was quiet between the deceased and the prisoner, but the other fight went on between Watson and Williams—Watson began to fight with the deceased, and after, that the deceased went to the prisoner, and the prisoner and him got fighting, not with their fists: the prisoner had a belaying pin, the deceased had nothing in his hand at that time—he struck him several times, and the deceased threw the prisoner down on the deck—they both went down—when they rose up the deceased said "Oh, Lord! I am stabbed," and fell to the deck—just before they both fell, I saw a knife in the prisoner's hand, as well as the belaying pin; the knife was in his right and the belaying pin in his left hand—I saw him stab the deceased in his left side, and the deceased fell after he was stabbed—he was bleeding—the prisoner then stood over him, and struck him twice across his head with the belaying pin while he was on the ground, and then threw the knife on to the quay—the vessel was lying close to the quay—the deceased was taken to the hospital—a policeman came on board, and the prisoner was taken to the station—I suppose he could have got away before that, there was nothing to stop him—neither the deceased nor the prisoner were tipsy—I don't know what they were fighting about—it was an American ship—the deceased was a man of colour, like myself, and so was Watson.

Prisoner. Q. Had I any animosity against the deceased? A. I never saw any—you struck him with the belaying pin about his body, not on his head—the deceased threw you down—he did not strike you down—there was not a cry, "He has got another knife, Charley!"—I saw you stab the deceased right at the main rigging—he staggered and fell at the cabin door, and you stood over him with the belaying pin, struck him twice over the head and said "You son of a bitch, I will let you know that this is a packet ship"—I told the officer how the man became wounded—the third officer was not over the deceased when he fell, but when they said

"The man is dying," he ran to him and put his handkerchief to him—the deceased did not strike you, he merely closed with you—I did not hear him ask George for his knife—I don't know how he got George's knifeGeorge has gone away—I did not hear the deceased say "Give me the knife, you b----, and I will stick it into him"—we were all sober.

JOHN, WATSON . I am boatswain on board the Hudson—on the night of the 8th I went on board with this man, and another man and Williams were fighting—the prisoner came on deck in his drawers, so he must have been in bed—he had a knife in his hand, and said he would kill the first son of a bitch who interfered in it—Williams and I were fighting at the time, and the prisoner said "What have you got to do with it"—Swan said "I have got as much to do with it as you have"—the prisoner was the only man who had got a knife—I did not pay much attention, as I was fighting, but I saw the prisoner make two stabs with the knife, and this man went and got a belaying pin and knocked the knife—out of his hand, and here is the broken knife (produced)—they were all coloured men but two—they left off fighting, and Williams, a coloured man, went and got a capstan bar—I said "Put your knife and capstan bar down, and I will fight both of you"—Williams put the capstan bar down and said "Come on," and we fought again for about two minutes, and then he said he had got enough—I sat down on the railing of the ship and saw Swan kick the prisoner down, I could not see what with—they had got knives, and while Swan was down, I heard him sing out "Oh, Charley, you have stabbed me!"—I saw Swan get up—he went about a couple of yards and fell by the cabin door—I did not see the prisoner hit him after he was down—he could not have done so very easily, for I was sitting looking at him—the third mate went and put his hand on the wound—I was as near to him as Douglas was—I can't say whether the prisoner had anything in his hand at that time, because it was dark—he was standing by the pump, about a yard from Swan—he did not go near him when he was on the ground, that I saw—I have seen the prisoner write—I can write—the deceased was taken to the hospital.

Prisoner. Q. Did you ever hear or see me in any dispute? A. Not that I know of—you never quarrelled, to my knowledge—I saw the deceased stab at you with his knife.

JURY. Q. After the knife was broken did you hear a cry that Swan had got another knife? A. I heard this man say "He has got another knife, give me yours, George," but I did not see Swan with another knife after his was broken.

WILLIAM ROBERTSON (Police Sergeant, London Docks). I received information, went on board the Hudson, and saw the deceased lying on the deck, near the cabin door, bleeding—I made a search on the quay, and found this seaman's knife, stained with blood.

THOMAS BISHOP (Policeman 553). I went on board the vessel, found the deceased bleeding, and took the prisoner in charge—he said he had got nothing in his hand at first—I asked the deceased who stabbed him, and he said "Charley"—I said "What Charley?" and he said "Charley Atherly"—I then went to the prisoner, cautioned him, and said "Did you stab him?"—he said "No, I knocked him down with the belaying pin"—I said "Where is your knife?"—he said "I have no knife"—I said "You have a knife somewhere"—he said "My knife is in my bunk"—I went to the bunk with him, and he produced this knife and said "That is the knife I had my supper

with"—we went up to the deceased, who said "Charley, you stabbed me with George's knife"—the prisoner said nothing to that—on the way to the station I said "How came you to say you had not got a knife?"—he said "1 had a knife in one hand and a belaying pin in the other, and whether I stabbed him or not I don't know"—I picked up this broken knife on the deck—Williams was tried in the other Court yesterday and acquitted. (See page 353.)

Prisoner. Q. Did Douglas say that he saw me stab him? A. Yes. (The letter written by the prisoner from the Home of Detention was read by his wish. It was addressed to Mr. Benjamin Swan, and expressed his regret for what had occurred, and hoped that he was in a state of recovery, and requested to state that he entertained no angry feelings against the prisoner in consequence).

Prisoner. The reason I wrote that letter was that I did not know how I stabbed him, but I knew it was accidental—I felt sorry that he was suffering pain.

WILLIAM MORGAN . I am house-surgeon at the London Hospital—the deceased was brought there-'I examined him; he had a wound 4 1/2 inches long, 2 inches above the nipple, cutting through one rib and wounding the lungs—he was so weak that I sent for a Magistrate to take his deposition—on the postmortem examination, I found that the wound went through the lungs and into the liver—he was admitted on the 8th, and died on the following Thursday, at 11 o'clock at night—he lived six days—he died of this wound—I should think this knife would cause it—he begged me to tell the Magistrate, if I had to give evidence, that he had no matice against Atherly, and he did not think Atherly had any malice against him—the wound might have been inflicted by the knife being in a man's hand, and the deceased falling on it, but great force must have been used, and there must have been great weight on the knife to cut through a rib—it would have been difficult for that to have been done accidentally, unless he had fallen on the knife—it was obliquely from before, sloping backwards—the wound was deeper at the upper part, as if made by a shorter man on a taller; it was something of an upward stab—the deceased was taller than the prisoner—he also had a contused cut on his forehead, and two wounds on his hand, one of which was incised.

COURT to JOHN DOUGLAS. Q. Had be got the knife in his right hand when he stabbed him? A. Yes, they were down, and the prisoner made an upstroke at him—there was light enough to see anything—the others were lying side on to me—his hand was underneath, so that it was a wound upwards—the knife was in his right hand—I did not say before that it was in his left.

The Prisoner's statement before the Magistrate: "On Thursday night between 12 and 1 o'clock, the boatswain and Williams were fighting. Williams was on top of the boatswain. I then went and caught hold of Williams so as to give the boatswain a chance to rise, when I heard the deceased say "What have you to do with this, I'll put my knife into you. "With those words he deliberately stabbed at me with the knife. I then felt, and finding I had no knife on me I ran to the rails and caught hold of the belaying pin, and struck him on the head with it, and broke his knife; he then knocked me down with something, I think it was his fist. I got up and picked up the belaying pin, and before I got up, when I took the knife of George, an ordinary seaman, from his

sheath, I said 'I am not supposed to know if he has another knife on him, and if he attempts to uso his knife I'll use mine first. 'I then went up to the deceasod and said 'You knocked me down and drew your knife on mo, 'and I struck him twice on the head with a belaying pin. We then closed together, and in trying to get the knife away from me he received a cut in the palm of his hand saying, 'Give it me, I'll put it into the b----' I held a firm hold of the knife to prevent him from using it. After finding ho could not get the knife we wrestled together, and both fell on the deck. As we fell I heard him say Charlie has stabbed me. 'I never knew he was wounded till he said 'You've stabbed me. 'I was so much agitated I did not know what to do after seeing the constable come on board. I then threw the knife on the quay."

Prison r's Defense. I ask the Jury if the deceased was not to blame for his own death. He was the first man who thought of a knife, and I took that in case he should attempt to stab me, and then I should have delivered a stab at him, but I never did. The officers never came to stop it. They said "Go ahead, give it to him."


18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-540
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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540. SAMUEL SMITH (22) , Feloniously killing and slaying Frederick Rowland Brown.

MR. STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution; and MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS the Defence.

THOMAS NEWMAN . I am in the service of Mr. Cross, tobacco pipe manufacturer, of 9, Albert Road, Mile End—on 17th June, about 10 a. m., I was at the factory; a portion of the road is up for sewer work; about 7 feet 2 of the road was left between the sewer and the pavement, on the same side as the factory—I saw the little boy, Frederick Rowland Brown, standingly the lamp-post on the opposite side—the bottom part of the lamp-post is flush with the kerb, but the child had his feet in the gutter, and his hands behind him, leaning against the lamp-post—he was standing still—I saw the prisoner coming along Brooksby Walk, driving his greengrocer's cart and a middling sized horse, at the rate of six or seven miles an hour—he called out to the child twice or three times, "Get out of the road"—I did not see the child move—the cart came in contact with him, and he fell over on the kerb—his body was in the gutter and his head on the kerb—the prisoner drove on about 20 yards after the child was killed—he passed me, and I heard him say "Young devil, I told him to get out of the way"—he was then putting the reins over the horse, and going to get cut—he had stopped when he said that—he went towards the child, who was then in a man's arms—I was on the opposite side; I did not see the wheel strike him—this plan (produced) represents the locality—I saw Mr. Cross come out at his garden gate—he said to the prisoner "You ought to be able to stop your horse, a child could stop it"—the prisoner said "I suppose you say I done it for the purpose"—Mr. Cross said "It appears you did"—the prisoner attempted to pull off his coat to fight—he was going at the same pace as he passed the lamp-post as he was when he called out.

Cross-examiutd. I was 12 or 14 yards from the lamp-post, on the opposite side—I saw the cart 20 yards before it stopped—I did not see the child with one arm swung round the lamp-post—I don't know William Stevens, I am a stranger in the neighbourhood—the boy was looking towards the excavations opposite his grandfather's house—the excavation was about 12 feet long by 3 feet wide, and there was some rubbish on each side.

JAMES CLIFF I work for Mr. Corss—I was in the road, and saw the child standing by the lamp-post, with his right hand round it and his feet on the kerb—I saw the prisoner coming along in his cart; he called out about twice, but the buy did not move and he was knocked down—he was Caught between the box of the wheel and the lamp-post; the box of the wheel squeezed his head against the lamp-post—I did not see him move before, he was struck—(By the direction of THE COURT the witness stood against a post in the position in which he said the deceased was)—he was leaning oyer the road, looking at some cows coming put, when the cart hit him when the wheel hit him the part was going aa fast as it was when the man sung out, and he went on and never stopped till he got to Mr. Inman's gate, which is 20) or 30 yards from the lamp-post—he then said "Serve the little devil right, he should nave got out of the wav," and then be got out of the cart.

CHARLES CROSS . I am pipe maker, of Brooksby Street—this boy was my grandchild—he did not live at my house—I heard a disturbance, came out, and saw him being carried away dead I—told the prisoner he ought to be ashamed of himself, and there was some little question between us.

WHITE. I am a surgeon, of Portland Place, Stepney—this child was brought to me—the whole top of the skull was crushed, and on the left side there was transverse fracture—the back of the skull was also fractured; there was a small mark on the face—he was dead when I saw him.

Cross-examined There was only a slight scratch externally there was nothing to show what part of his head had been struck.

Witness for the Defence.

WILLIAM STEVENS . I keep the Stag Tavern, Brooksby walk—I know this lamp-post—it is about twenty yards from my door, directly bpttosite—standing at my door I command a full view of it—I know the boy by his playing about the streets—I saw him with his right arm round the lambpost, swinging backwards and forwards, with his feet on the kerb—he stopped swinging, but just at the moment the cart came up he swung round With his head in front of the lamp-post, and came in collision with the cart and the lamp-post—I could not say at what pace the prisoner was driving—I don't think he could help it—he stopped opposite Mr. Inman's stable gate.

Cross-examined. The cart was between me and the child at the time lie was knocked down, and the prisoner was sitting in the cart, but the child was so small that I saw him between the spokes of the wheels distinctly, while the wheels were going round—I have no interest in the matter.

COURT. Q. Did you hear the prisoner call out? A. No; I was inside the house, and when I saw the child struck I jumped over—I was behind my bar, but the doors had just been varnished, and they were left open—as I stood behind my bar my face was directed to the opposite sido of the,. road—it was right that the prisoner should call out, because the child was swinging, but the child stoppled.

JOSEPH TURNER (Policeman N 134). (Called by the Court.) I have measured the cart with a tape—it is six feet one inch, from the'box of one wheel to the box of the other—the bottom of the wheels would not be quite so wide as the width of the box.

GUILTY .— Four Months' Imprisonment, without hard labour, and to pay the costs of the Prosecution.

THIRD COURT.—Saturday, August 23rd, 1873.

Before Mr. Deputy Recorder.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-541
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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541. JOHN WILSON (20), DAVID DONOVAN (19) , Robbery on George Milne, and stealing a pocket-book and 7l., his property.

MR. HOLLINGS conducted the Prosecution; and MR. MEAD defended Donovan.

GEORGE MILNE . I live at 13, Prospect Place—I am a mariner—on the night of 28th July, I was in the Back Road, St. George's, between 11 and 12, going home—I had had several glasses of ale, but I was not quite drunk—several persons assaulted me and knocked me down—before that I had a 5l. note and a sovereign in my left hand trowsers pocket, and some silver and coppers amounting to about a pound in my other pocket, and a pocket-book in my breast pocket—I had those things in my pocket when I was knocked down—I subsequently found that the whole of those things had been taken away from me—I don't recognise the prisoners.

JAMES DALEY . I live at No. 6, Blacksmith Court, St George's—on the night of 28th July, I saw the two prisoners knock the man down, and Wilson as he was going through the court made a kick at me, and said "Go away you little bastard," and he made a kick at me—some woman came over and said something, and he said "Go away, you b-cow, or I will give you the same"—she walked away—the prosecutor was, drunk, and was lying on the ground—they tore his coat right off him, and ran away through Christian Street—they were all on the top of him—there was a couple more besides these prisoners knocking him about—I saw them make a kick at him, they held his hand and I saw his coat torn right off him and his trowsers too—the pockets were torn out—I went and called two policemen and the prosecutor laid there till they came—I knew the prisoners before.

Cross-examined. I told Milne next day I had seen all this—he was sober then—he did not give me any money—it was a dark place where this occurred—the policeman took Donovan into custody—I was sent for, and saw them at the Police Court—I had lived in the saine house with Donovan—I never had a quarrel with him there—I have never been charged with anything.

WILLIAM GURLING (Policeman H R 15). On 28th July I saw Milne at the corner of Split Terrace—I saw Daley there—Milne appeared to be the worse for liquor, his coat was torn off him, and his trowsers split at the knees, and the pockets torn right out—I took the prisoners into custody about 12.30—Daley and the prosecutor were going to the station with me, and Wilson was pointed out to me by Daley—I took him—he said he had only been out a quarter of an hour to fetch a quarter of a pound of sugar, which he had in his possession at the time—I took Donovan in the Duke's Head, Cambridge Street, on the 31st—he had been described by Daley—he made no reply to the charge.

JAMES CONNOR (Policeman H 35). On 29th July, about 3.30 in the morning, I picked up this pocket-book, in Pell Street, St. George's, about half a mile from Split Terrace—it was lying in the road.

GEORGE MILNE (re-examined). This is my pocket-book.

Witness for Wilson.

MARY ANN CRAWLEY . I am single, and live at 1, Curtain Road, Shoreditch—I am the servant where Wilson was living—last Monday three weeks he went out at 11. 20 to get some sugar—he is a hard-working man.

Witnesses for Donovan.

REBECCA DONOVAN . I live in Glasshouse Street, near the London Docks—the prisoner is my son—he lives with me—it was a Thursday night, about 10 o'clock, that I heard he was taken into custody, I did not know what for—on the Monday evening before, he was in bed at 10 o'clock—I have only got one room—he did not go out during the night, and I got him his breakfast next morning between 7 and 8 o'clock—my daughter is here, she was in the room, too.

Cross-examined. There are three of us, myself, my daughter, and son—I have no husband—I am sure it was on Monday night he was in at 10 o'clock—I don't know what time he went to bed on the Saturday night—he was in soon on Sunday—he was hardly ever later than 12 o'clock.

ANN DONOVAN . I am sister to the young man, and live with my mother—my brother lives there, too—we occupy the same room—my brother was taken into custody last Thursday night three weeks—on the Monday before, he was in bed at 10 o'clock—he did not go out during the night—I know it was the Monday by the account the people gave when the other chap was taken—I did not know before my brother was taken that the other chap had been taken—I did not hear of the robbery until my brother was taken—my brother went to bed first, and my mother and me afterwards, and he was in by 10 o'clock.

REBECCA DONOVAN (re-examined.) I don't know the boy Daley—I knew his mother four or five years ago, and lived in the same place, but I know nothing of the boy—I don't know Wilson.

JAMES DALEY (re-examined). It is four or five years ago since I lived with Donovan, but I have known him since.

GUILTY .— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment each.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-542
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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542. ANN RABY (30) , Unlawfully making a certain false declaration before a Magistrate, as to a matter under the Pawnbroker's Act, knowing it to be false.

MR. SIMS conducted the Prosecution; and MR. FRITH the Defence.

BENJAMIN CUNNINGHAM . I am manager to Mr. Byas, pawnbroker, of 147, St. George Street—I produce the declaration whioh I gave to the prisoner on 14th July—I saw her put her mark to it and she took it away, and afterwards brought it back with the signature attested by the Magistrate—on receiving principal and interest, I delivered up to her her watch—I was afterwards applied to by the son of Mr. Jessop, Who produced the ticket to deliver up the article—I detained the ticket, and found an affidavit had been made, and the watch had been claimed.

Cross-examined I have been some time in the pawnbroking business—it is the custom when a person cannot read or write, to make their mark—I read over to her the portion of the declaration I have to fill up, and she made her mark at the end—she has been in the habit of pawning things with me, I have known her a long time—she has undoubtedly pawned a watch there before, and other articles—I have never known anything against her.

Re-examined. I do not think she had another watch in pawn with me at the same time—this watch was pawned for 1l., the 4d. was for interest.—(The declaration was here read)—I read all that to her—I did not read that which gives the amount—she knew what it was pawned for.

JAMES WILMOT . I am Second Usher at the Thames Police Court, and

live at 137, Rutland Street, Pimlico—Mr. Lushington is the Magistrate there—I know his signature, this is his handwriting "F. L."—(On this declaration, MR. FRITH contended that the signature "F. L. "was no signature at all as required by the Act, and that it would not be affixed to a Bill of Exchange.

MR. SIMS submitted that it was a sufficient signature, and that a Judge's initials were sufficient for an order made at Chandlers. THE COURT, after reference to the Pawnbrokers' Act, considered that the initials were sufficient, the Act said that the declaration was to be "authenticated by the handwriting of the same," and (hit affidavit had been authenticated by the Magistrate's handwriting.

WILLIAM JESSOP . I live at 45, New Gravel Lane—about 10th July the prisoner came to me and asked me to lend her 2l.—I said I would with her husband's sanction—her husband came round, I lent her 2l. and they left me two pawn tickets, this one for a gold watch and bird and cage, and this one for a gold watch and three counterpanes—J was to be paid the 2l. in three days, and I was to have the whole of these articles if I was not paid the money—not being paid I afterwards sent my son down to Mr. Byas's with the ticket—he came back and then I went down—I received this ticket again from Mr. Byas's head man, Mr. Cunningham—I produced it to the policeman.

Cross-examined. I have known the prisoner for years, and I have known her husband ever since he was a boy—I have always known them to he highly respectable people—I have not had money transactions with Mr. Raby—I did not want the parrot—I lent the money out of friendship and thought my money was coming the third day after I lent it—I did not ask for it the very day it was due; not till three weeks afterwards, and then I let it go for five weeks before I sent my son with the tickets—the prisoner did come to me and ask me to take 1l., but I would not take 1l. for 2l.—she might have said she would pay the rest in a day or so, I do not remember—she is not in good health, I believe she is suffering from tumours in the stomach.

Re-examined. I did not lend the 2l. with the object of making money by it, but merely out of friendship—I did not take any steps to realise my security till eight weeks after.

ISAAC PAUSEY (Detective Officer K). I took the prisoner and told her it was for making a false declaration—she said "I took the watch out, I was not going to let Jessop have 6l. worth of articles for 2l. He has one bird and cage now."

GUILTY One Month's Imprisonment, and to go into the Infirmary afterwards.


Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-543
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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543. WILLIAM BURKE (34) , Stealing a bay mare, the property of the Horse Supply Company, Limited.

MR. SIMS conducted the Prosecution.

GEORGE DUDLEY (Detective Officer). I am stationed at Islington—on Sunday, 27th July, I went to the Crown public-house, Islington, where the prisoner was stopping—I saw him there and asked him whether he had got a little bay mare for sale—he said "No," Mr. Newman up the yard has "I took him up the yard and looked at it—I said "I have no doubt in my

own mind that this has been stolen"—I took him in custody, and to Stratford—on the road he said that he had brougt the mare from East Ham, and that it had been given to him by a dealer to take to the public-house—I said "Who is the dealer?" and he said he did not know.

WILLIAM NEWMAN . I went to the prisoner on 22nd July at Mr. Gower's repository—he asked me if I would buy a cab-horse, and said a dealer had one who wanted to sell it and go to Ireland; if I bought it he thought it would suit me—on the Saturday he brought me a bay mare marked "C.H.," or "G.H.," on the near side of the rump—he said it belonged to a dealer who wanted to sell it and get away—he offered it first for 25 guiness, and ultimately said he would take 18l. for it; he said he had brought it from Rainham—I put her in a cart and drove her down—the prisoner also offered it to a Mr. Farndall at the Victoria Docks.

WILLIAM LACY . I was in the employ of the Horse Supply Company, as watchman—on the night of 25th July, about 11.55. I saw this bay mare in their stables, and I missed it before 3 o'clock next morning; also a bridle and saddle and a pair of knee-caps.

RICHARD WHEELER . I am manager to the Horse Supply Company—I have seen the mare that was found in the stables of Mr. Newman—I know it to be my property by its ganeral appearance—I saw it last on Friday night the 25th, when I left the premises—it was in a loose box in the stables at East Ham—during the hot weather we did not look up the stables—we valued the horse at 100l.—I know the prisoner; he was about a week in the Company's employ.

The prisoner in his defence stated that a man asked him to take it to Mr. New Man's stables to sell it if he could, and he would give him a sovereign or two for himself.

GUILTY Eighteen Months' Imprisonment.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-544
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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544. WILLIAM HUTCHINGS (12), and JAMES SLADE (12) , Stealing a gelding, the property of Joseph Hewitson.

GEORGE CARNELL (Policeman N 321). About 1 o'clock on 7th August, I saw the prisoners in the Lee Bridge Road, Walthamstow, with a horse and asked them what they were going to do with it—Slade said "I know nothing about it," and that if Hutchings had stolen it he would have to put up with it—Hutchings then stated that he was taking it to the Rising Sun public-house in the Lea Bridge Road, to his master—I went there and no one came for it—I took them both in custody.

JOHN HEWITSON . I live at 11, Boleyn Place, Back Road, Kingsland—I last saw my horse between 7 and 9 o'clock the morning on the 7th instant, in a field at Stoke Newington—it is worth about 12l.

Slade's Defence. I took it out of the field to have a ride.

Hutchings' Defence. I met Slade with the home; he said he was taking it to the Rising Sun, and I went with him.


18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-545
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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545. PETER JAMES ANDERSON (42) , Feloniously receiving 14 lbs. of metal, the goods of William Thomas Healey, well knowing the same to have been stolen.

MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS conducted the Prosecution; and MR. RIBTON the Defence.

ROBERT HARRIS (Detective Officer On the night of 21st July, about 8.30, I saw two boys, Thomas Trott and John Trott, near Mr. Healey's

factory—I followed them to the prisoner's shop, who is a marine store dealer and greengrocer—one boy was in the passage and the other went into the shop with 14 lbs, of steel, which I saw in the scale—Mrs. Anderson, who was in the shop, said "My boy, there is 7 lbs., it comes to 3 1/2 d.—she saw us come into the shop, she had the money in her hand, and was about to give it them, but she put it into her pocket—I left the boys in Godfrey's charge and went for Mr. Healey's watchman—when I looked at the steel the prisoner said to his wife "You aint parted, have you, mate? we can best them yet"—I searched the place, and found 49 lbs. of spelter dross in the shop, behind some skips, which the watchman identified—I asked the prisoner how he came in possession of it, and he said he had bought it by a little at a time—I asked him if he kept any book, and he said he did not think it necessary, as he only kept a small quantity.

Cross-examined. There is a heap of rubbish outside Mr. Healey's factory—I do not know that these bits of old iron are thrown up—I do not live near the factory—I have seen loads of children about there—in the fence around Mr. Healey's place there are many gaps—I do not know the difference between steel and iron.

MR. M. WILLIAMS here withdrew from the Prosecution.


18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-546
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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546. JAMES SAMUEL PHILLIPS (32), PLEADED GUILTY to embezzling two orders for the payment of 10l. each of George Vavasseur, his master.— Twelve Months' Imprisonment.


Before Mr. Deputy Recorder.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-547
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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547. PATRICK DONOVAN (18), THOMAS MAHONEY (18), and WALTER HARRIS (18) , Stealing a purse, four pawnbrokers' duplicates, and 17s. 6d., of Henrietta Woodworth, from her person.

MR. FRITH conducted the Prosecution; and MR. GRIFFITHS defended Mahoney.

HENRIETTA WOODWORTH . I am the wife of Thomas Woodworth, Leeches Alley, Church Street, Greenwich—between 7 and 8 o'clock on the night of 4th August I was at the back of the Ship Tavern, Greenwich—I heard there was a man dying on the pavement—there was a crowd there—I saw the three prisoners close to me—Mahoney put his hands on my shoulders, and I felt Harris catch hold of my chain, it was round my neck, as it is now—I told Harris not to do that again, to keep his hands away from my neck, and the moment afterwards I missed my purse—I turned round to see if they were there, and they had gone—the purse was inside my dress before—I spoke to a constable, and went to the police-station, and saw my purse and its contents, 11s. 1d., and four duplicates—this is it (produced).

Cross-examined. Mahoney was behind me, and had his hands on my shoulders—there were a great many people behind, too—Harris was on one side, and Donovan on the other—I missed my purse before the crowd dispersed, and I missed the three prisoners.

JOHN WATTS (Detective Officer R). The prisoners were pointed out to me eating whelks at a stall outside a public-house in the Greenwich Road—I took Harris and Donovan—it was about 8.30—Donovan tried to escape, and I had a severe struggle with him, and was obliged to call for assistance—I charged them with picking pockets—they said that they were hard-working

men, and knew nothing about it—I searched them, and found 18s. and a half-penny on each of them.

Cross-examined. It was the Bank Holiday, and there was a boat race going on that day.

ALFRED BOWDBN (Policeman 7? 217). About 7.30 I received information and gave the prisoners chase for about half a mile, and then lost them—I chased them from about 200 yards from the Ship—I took Mahoney about 8.30 the same evening—he was with the others eating whelks at a stall—they were all three together—on the way to the station Harris dropped this purse—I picked it up, and it was identified by the prosecutrix—I found 8s. 6d. in silver on Mahoney.

WILLIAM BAIRD . I saw the constable take the three prisoners—as they passed me Harris dropped a purse at my feet, and the policeman picked it up—a crowd followed, and they were crying for rescue—the police had a great deal to do.

CHARLOTTE MCDOWELL . I am the wife of Henry McDowell—on 4th August I was talking to a young woman in Salutation Lane, at the back of the Ship—Mahoney put his hands in her pocket—she turned round and said "You vagabond, you have got my purse"—he said "You are mad"—I said I would fetch a policeman—he said "You can fetch a hundred"—someone fetched a policeman, and when they saw him coming they ran away—I saw no more of them till I saw them at the station—I put my hand in my pocket directly my friend spoke, and I missed my purse.

Cross-examined. My friend lived in Salutation Lane, and I was talking to her—there was rather a crowd there.

THOMAS NAYLOR . I get my living outside the railway-station—about 7. 45 on Monday evening, 4th August, I saw the three prisoners running out of Prince of Orange Lane—they stopped opposite the Prince of Orange, and took up a saucer of whelks each—I saw a woman come and tap them on the shoulder, and say they were the three men—the detective took Harris and Donovan—Harris dropped a purse, and they had a struggle—Harris tried to take his coat off, and I caught him—he threw me on my back on the kerb—I held tight hold of him, and he pulled me up again.

Cross-examined. I have been in trouble for standing with a barrow, nothing more—I was fined 5s. of 10s.—I have not got a brother doing seven years—I have two brothers; one is a large shop-keeper in Queensland, and the other is a soldier in India.

ELIZA GOSLING . I live at Prince of Orange Street—on the evening of 4th August, I saw the three prisoners—one of them put his hand in Mrs. McDowell's pocket—they ran away, I following—I saw them change their scarves and hats—they ran up Prince of Orange Lane—I saw them afterwards eating whelks—I told the policeman they were the three men—I am positive the three prisoners are the men—they said they had no purse whatever, and that I was mad.

Mahoney and Harris received good characters.

GUILTY .— Six Months' Imprisonment each.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-548
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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548. ELIZABETH BUTCHER (40) , Stealing a purse and 15s. of the property of Mary Taylor, from her person.

MR. SIMS conducted the Prosecution.

MARY TAYLOR . I live at 11, Little George Street, Greenwich—on

Saturday, 2nd of August, I was in Burney Street, Greenwich, with a child in my arms—I felt a pull at my pocket—I put my hand and caught the prisoner's hand with my purse in it—she dropped it, and made off up Royal Hill—this is the purse; it had 15s. in it.

JOHN WATTS (Policeman 159). I took the prisoner, and charged her with Stealing a purse and 15s. from the prosecutrix—she said "Lord bless me! I never saw the woman before in my life."

The Prisoner, in her defence, stated that the prosecutrix put her own hand into her pocket, and the purse fell out of her hand.


She was further charged with having been previously convicted.

MARIA CHAPMAN (Female Warder). At that time the prisoner was in my charge, and had three months Imprisonment.

MARY JACKSON . The prisoner had also two previous convictions for pocket-picking.

GUILTY.— Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-549
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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549. THOMAS SPITTLE (21) , Stealing a watch of Thomas Carpenter, from his person.

MR. CROOME conducted the Prosecution; and MR. DOUGLAS the Defence.

THOMAS CARPENTER . I live at 10, George Street, Woolwich—I am a Police pensioner—on Saturday night, 28th July, I was in Powis Street, about 9.30, looking at a man selling umbrellas—two or three people hustled by me, and I heard something snck—I looked down and saw my watch in the prisoners hand—I collared him, and said "Where is that watch you just now took out of my pocket?—he said "I have got no watch"—I said "I don't suppose you have passed it"—I held him and gave him in custody.

Cross-examined. It was dusk; they had just lit the lamps; I could see well—I suppose there were forty or fifty people round the man—I was not in the crowd—I did not lode sight of the prisoner—I did not see him pass the me watch to his Companion; I was hushed through the' crowd—It was all done in a second.

Re-examined. I lost sighht of his hand, but I only had to go around the lamp-post.

GEORGE DODDWELL . I work at the Royal Arsenal-on Saturday night, 28th July, I was in Powis Street, with my wife, looking at a man selling umbrellas—I heard something snap; I saw a watch in the prisoner's hand, and a chain fall to the prosecutor's front—the prisoner ran between two men—I followed him, and saw him caught by the prosecutor.

Cross-examined. I should think there were thirty to forty people there—I did not see the prisoner take it, but I saw it in his hand, before Carpenter attempted to catch hold of him.

HANNAH DODDWELL . I am the wife of George Doddwell—we stopped to look at a man selling umbrellas—I saw the prisoner come towards Mr. Carpenter, and steal his watch from his left side, and run away—two men tried to stop Carpenter, but he caught him under me lamp-post—I never lost sight of the prisoner—I saw him pass something to one of the men who stopped Carpenter.

Cross-examined. "I never saw the prisoner or prosecutor before—I was two yards from the prisoner—I am certain it was the prisoner I saw.

GUILTY . He also PLEADED GUILTY** to having been before convicted in April, 1872— Seven Years' Penal servitude.


Before Mr. Baron Bramwell

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-550
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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550. MATTHEW COVENEY (23) , Feloniously killing and Slaying George Hagley. He was also charged on the Coroner's Inquisition with the like offence.

MR. DOUGLAS conducted the Prosecution and MR. GRIFFITHS the Defence.

SARAH NICHOLLS . I am the wife of James Nicholls, 127, Snow's Fields—on Thursday night, 24th July, about 6 o'clock, or a little after, George Hagley came to Mr. Praia's house, where I lived—I saw them go into the Rose public-house—I afterwards saw Hagley and the prisoner come out, and they fell down together—it was not much of a scuffle—I could see them very well from where I was looking out of my window—I only saw them fall once—I saw no blow struck—I did not see them get up—I directly ran down stairs to Mrs. Praul, and I afterwards saw Hagley come into the house—they Were drunk—Haley went into the back yard, and some little time after I went there and found him lying doubled up in the water-closet—his head was on the floor, and there were spots of blood on his head—the police and the doctor were sent for.

Cross-examined. It was a stone-yard where I found him—he was half in the closet and half out, on his left side, with his hand under his head—when I saw him and tike prisoner fall, they had got hold of each other very tight, as if they were cuddling each other—they both fell at once.

EDWIN DENHAM . I am barman at the Rose tavern—I saw Hagley come in—the prisoner was at the bar at the time—a—man who was with Hagley called for a pint of half-and-half, and changed a half-sovereign—Hagley dropped a halfpenny—a woman and her brother who were there stooped to pick it up; Hagley shoved the brother away, and stooped to pick it up himself—the woman went up and smacked him in the face, and with that the prisoner tried to part them—Hagley shoved him on one side, and the prisoner shoved him outside the door, and put his foot against it—Hagley kept trying to come in again, and he shoved the door open and smacked the prisoner in the face with his fist—they went outside, and I saw nothing further—the prisoner returned to the house again.

ELIZABETH WATKINS . I am the wife of Thomas Watkins—I saw Hagfey pushed out of the public-house, and he tried to strike someone in the house as he was pushed out—directly after that the prisoner flew at him, and struck him on the bead, and he fell down on the back of his head—the prisoner pulled him up again, and they both fell together—the prisoner fell on him—Hagley fell on his back—I did not see him at anytime fall on the side of his head—they both got up, and the prisoner Went into the Rose and Hagley I went into Mr. Praul's house—I can't say whether the prisoner was drunk, but I am sure Hagley was, and Mr. Paul; too.

CHARLES TIMMINS (Policeman M. 14). I took the prisoner into custody on the morning of 25th July—I told him the charge; he said, "I did not cause the man's death, he struck me and I struck him."

Cross-examined I have known the prisoner by sight—I believe him to be a very peaceable, well-disposed young man, from the inquiries I have made.

CUTHBERT HILTON BIRD . I am house-surgeon at Guy's Hospital—the deceased was brought there on thursday night, 24th July—he was insensible, apparently Suffering from pressure on the brain—he had a bruise on

the right hide of his head between two and three inches above the right ear—he had marks of au old bruise near the same situation—he died four hours after his admission—I did not find the bruise behind the head until the postmortem examination—there was a fracture of the skull at the site of the bruise over the right ear, and on opening the skull I found a clot of blood pressing on the brain at the site of the fracture—I attribute death to that pressure caused by the rupture of a vessel, that was caused by a blow or fall—I think it is more consistent with a fall than a blow with the fist—his breath smelt of liquor.

Cross-examined. The bruise at the back of the head was recent—both injuries were recent.

JOSEPH FREDERICK HAGLEY . I am the brother of the deceased—his name was George Hagley—he was twenty-eight years of age.

The Prisoner received a good character.


18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-551
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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551. GEORGE APPLEBY (33) , Feloniously killing and slaying Ellen Appleby.

MR. LANGFORD conducted the Prosecution; and MR. WRIGHT the Defence.

MARIA GRIFFITHS . I am the wife of Thomas Griffiths, of 7, Wardler Street, two or three doors from the house of Mrs. Harriet Callander—I saw her this morning at 8 o'clock—she was near her confinement—the doctor was with her—she is quite unable to appear here.

WILLIAM DENHAM (Policeman F 230). I attended the examination of the prisoner before the Magistrate on 21st July—I saw Harriet Callander sworn, and saw her sign her deposition—the prisoner had an opportunity of cross-examining her. (Deposition read: Harriet Callander on her oath says: "I live at 4, Wardley Street, Garrett Lane, wife of William Callandar; we lived a week in prisoner's house when this happened. Deceased went out; prisoner came and asked where she was. I said "Gone to look for you;" then she came home. He either droppped or threw down the candlestick on the stairs; she said it hit the baby. She called for a light I took her one in the parlour, which was dark; she sat crying; the baby cried. Prisoner stood by the fire-place, holding down his head. I took away the baby two or three months old. Then she said to prisoner Now you can do what you like. That was 11.30. Afterwards the police called me. She did seem hurt when she sat in the chair, but I have often nursed the baby before, and I asked if I might then; she said 'Yes. 'Prisoner was not sober, he appeared to be intoxicated. I don't believe at all that Mrs. Appleby was in liquor. Harriet Callandar, her mark."

WILLIAM DENHAM (continued). On Sunday morning, 20th July, at twenty minutes after midnight, I went to the prisoner's house in Garret Lane, and saw him—Mrs. Appleby was on the floor in a sitting position, supported by a chair against the wall, and apparently dying—there was a good deal of blood about—I asked the prisoner if that was his wife—he said "Yes," and that he had pushed her, and she fell over a sieve.

Cross-examined. He said that all at the same time—he seemed as if he had been the worse for liquor—he smelt strongly of liquor—he had been drinking decidedly—he seemed to take it very light.

GEORGE APPLEBY . I am the prisoner's son, my mother's name was Ellen—we lived at 10, Liddon Grove—on Saturday night, 19th July, at 11.30, my father came up stairs and woke me—he said "Georgie, get up and see where your mother is"—after that my mother came in—I went

down stairs, looked into the front room door, and saw her crying; my father was in the room—I called my brother, and said "Alick, father has been hitting mother"—my mother said "You can do what you like now"—after that I saw my father push my mother, and she fell in the corner against the door—there was a sieve there.

Cross-examined. It was a light touch he gave her, a light push, but she would have fallen from it if the sieve had not been there; she fell in consequence of coming against the sieve, but she would have fallen if it had not been there—my rather was a gardener; he had been working that week—I had not seen him hit my mother when I called to my brother, but I called out "Father has been hitting mother" because I heard her cry—he was generally kind to her—this is the sieve (produced)—it was not broken before my mother fell on it—I think she would have fallen if the sieve had not been there.

COURT. Q. Would the push have knocked a man down? A. No—I don't think the sieve helped to trip her up; it was close to where she stood—I have seen him hit her before—the sieve was flat on the floor, with the open part upwards, and the sieve-work downwards.

MARIA GRIFFITHS . I am the wife of Thomas Griffiths, of 7, Wardley Street—on 19th July, at 11 o'clock, I was in my bedroom, which is 14 yards from the prisoner's house—I heard them quarrelling, but not a great deal, and I hoard Mrs. Appleby scream, and say "Oh, you brute! you have murdered me," and she gave two groans—I was ill and could not get up,—it is a frequent occurrence on Saturdays in that neighbourhood—I knew her voice, I have heard her call out before.

Cross-examined The window was open and the street quiet; the prisoner's door was open—it was a loud scream; I am certain it was Mrs. Appleby's voice—I heard no response—there were lodgers in the house, Mr. and Mrs. Callander—I am sure it was Mrs. Appleby's voice.

MARY BLIDEN . I am the wife of John Bliden, of 24, Narden Street—on Saturday night, 19th July, I went to the Appleby's house, and saw Mrs. Appleby sitting on the floor, crying—I said "What is the matter?"—she said "My husband gave me a slight push and I fell over the sieve, and it out me"—he said "I did not do anything"—she used the word "slight; I said so before—the prisoner said "Go in and see what is the matter with her"—she said "You pushed me, and I fell on the sieve"—the sieve was standing by the corner of the fire-place—I did not see blood on it—only Mrs. Gallender and her husband and the two boys were in the house besides—the deceased had been confined six weeks; she was weak and ill at this time; she complained of being weak, but she was not ill—I was with her a quarter of an hour before this happened—she had not been well since her confinement, and had complained to several people that she was weak.

ELLEN ROUGH . My husband's name is William—we live in Liddon Road—I was sent for, and found Mrs. Appleby sitting on the floor—I asked her what was the matter—she said "When I came in he gave me a push, and I fell on the sieve and hurt myself somewhere, I don't know where"—I went outside to the prisoner, and said "Are you sure you have not been knocking her about?"—he said "No," and he went in and said to her "Mate, have I been knocking you about?"—she said "No George, you gave me a push and I fell over the sieve"—he said "If I have knocked you about, tell Mrs. Rough"—she said "No, you have not; go out of the room, I want to speak, to Mrs. Rough"—I then examined her, and told her to send

for her mother, as I was not able to stay—the prisoner and his little boy went off to fetch the mother, and I left Mrs. Bliden with her and went home—I was afterwards fetched by the police, and was surprised to find she was dead.

WILLIAM GADD (Policeman A 3). On Sunday morning, 20th July, about 2.30, the prisoner was brought to the station and charged with causing the death of his wife—I said "It is a very serious charge"—he said "Well, I will tell you the whole truth. We went to Wimbledon together this afternoon to see the review; on my return home alone she was out; she afterwards came in, and an altercation took place between us. I put my hand on her shoulder to push her out, and she fell backwards on the sieve; it is a bad job, I am very sorry"—he had been drinking—eight or nine days afterwards I received this crinoline (produced) from Mrs. Duff, the deceased's mother—it was hanging on a nail.

CATHERINE DUFF . I am the deceased's mother—I saw her shortly after she died—she was wearing this crinoline at the time she died.

JOHN HARWOOD HOOPER , M.R.C.S. On Sunday morning, 20th July, about 1. 15, I went to the prisoner's house and found the deceased dead—I found a wound which I took to be lacerated, but it might be incised, an inch and a half long in her private parts, and on the opposite extremity of the orifice, a slight abrasion—I attribute death partly to the hemorrhage and partly to the-shock to the womb from a blow of some kind, which was not in a healthy state before—there was also fatty degeneration of the heart, liver, and (kidneys, which would render death from a shock more likely.

Cross-examined. There was no appearance in the heart, liver, or kidneys, sufficient to cause death if there had been no wound—I did not attend her in her confinement, and could not form any opinion whether there had been flooding at that time—if there had been no recent flooding, such a blow as this would not induce it—if this broken piece of the sieve had penetrated her, there would be blood on it—I think the sieve cracked here, and that this sharp edge caused the wound—I cannot tell that it was in that position, but that was my impression.

COURT. Q.. Why would there be no blood on that part? A. There might be a thin portion of the clothing between, and this being stiffer, it would produce it by pressing against the bone—the dress was covered with blood, and there were plenty of holes in it—she might have fallen on the sieve with her clothes round it—the crinoline was covered with blood—I examined it carefully, but could not find anything to account for the wound.

MR. WRIGHT. Q. Would it be inconsistent that death was caused by a splinter of wood going into the private parts? A. Yes, I paid particular attention to that at the time.


Mrs. Duff gave the Prisoner a good character, and stated that he was a good husband to the deceased— One Day's Imprisonment.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-552
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment

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552. WILLIAM WOOD (32), GEORGE ROWE (28), and HENRY JONES (27), PLEADED GUILTY to burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Frederick George Bellinge, and stealing eight coats, and other goods.

ROWE and JONES also PLEADED GUILTY to having been before convicted, Rowe in December, 1866,** and Jones in September, 1870.**— Seven Years' Penal Servitude each .WOOD— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment'

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-553
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SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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553. CHARLES SCOTT (17) , to burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Thomas Part, and stealing therein two coats and other articles; having been previously convicted of felony.— Seven Years' Penal Servitude. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] And

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-554
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554. CHARLES RICHARD JACOBS (26) , to stealing 10l. 15s., And other sums, of William Stavenhagen Jones, and another, his masters— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-555
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Not Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment > other institution

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555. ALICE SULLIVAN (17), and MARY ANN TRICKETT (16) , Stealing a pair of boot-trees, and other articles of William Davis.

SULLIVAN PLEADED GUILTY . MR. FRITH conducted the Prosecution.

CORNELIUS RYAN . I live at 11, Beckford Square, Old Street, St. Luke's, and am a carman—on the 25th July I was going with my cart to the Fulham Gas Works, and I met the two prisoners in King's Road, Chelsea—they asked me if I would give them a lift on the road, and I did so, and I brought them back—when they got down I went to the stable, and they told me they were going to the Victoria Theatre—when I came back I saw Trickett standing at the corner of Royal-street, and I asked her what she had done with her friend—we Walked down the street and she asked a man if he had seen a woman pass there with a light dress and black shawl on—he said "No,"—on going round the corner, she said to me "She has been thieving"—I said "I was not aware I was in the company of thieves, and I left her—while I was delivering my load at Fulham they left my van, and afterwards came beck—I noticed they had something when I first saw them, and I put it into the van—it was a pair of boot-trees—I had asked them to take their parcel out when I left them at Fulham—I found them in my van next morning.

ANN DAVIS . I am the wife of William Davis, of Chelsea—I missed a pair of boot-trees on 25th of July—these are my husband's.

ELIZABETH BALL . I live at 79, Capul Street, Chelsea—on Friday, the 25th July, I was sitting at work at my window, and I saw Trickett loitering about, and the other prisoner afterwards came out of a house with a bundle—they went off together.

CHARLES CARTWRIGHT (Policeman G 136). I assisted in taking die prisoners into custody, and I received several pawn tickets from the female searcher—she said two of the tickets were found on Trickett—I produce a bonnet and shawl—Sullivan was wearing this shawl, and Trickett this bonnet; they had exchanged.

WALTER SAMPSON . I am shopman to Mr. Amherst, of King's Road, Chelsea—I produce a pair of trowsers and a pair of boots, pawned at our shop on the 25th July, by Trickett.

WILLIAM CREIG . I am shopman to Mr. Smith, pawnbroker, of Fulham—I produce a pair of trowsers and shirt pawned on the 25th July—I recollect both the prisoners coming into the shop with the things, but I do not recollect who gave them to me.

Trickett's Defence. On the Friday night Sullivan asked me to have a drink of beer with her. She went down by Water Street, Chelsea, and told me she had a friend there. When she came back, she said the things she had belonged to a gay lady, and I pledged them for-her; she asked me to mind the tickets. The young chap had the same share as we had.


SULLIVAN— One Months' Imprisonment, and Four Years' in a Reformatory.

There was another indictment against Trickett, upon which no evidence was offered.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-556
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Miscellaneous > no agreement
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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556. THOMAS ARTHUR RABOUT (28), JOHN WHYLE (42) JOHN LUCY (21), EMILY LUCY (17), and HEPHZIBAH HILL (24) , Stealing a magnetic exploder, six miniature torpedoes, and other articles, the property of Alfred Apps.

MR. BESLEY conducted the Prosecution; and MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS defended Rabout.

ALFRED APPS . I am a manufacturing optician, of 433, Strand—I have seen a galvanic battery in the possession of the police; it is my property—it was stolen out of the entrance to my shop on the 8th of June, along with some gutta-percha wire, and six miniature torpedoes—they were packed up ready to be sent off with other goods by rail.

WILLIAM MOREDALE . I am manager to Messrs. Bowman, pawnbrokers, Blackfriars Road—I produce this magnetic exploder; I took it in pledge of Rabout on the 8th July—he gave me his name and address as "John Williams, Upper Charlotte Street, Blackfriars Road"—it was done up in a wrapper—I advanced 10s. upon it—in the course of an hour or so he came back, and said "I want that wrapper back," and he gave me another—he then had a fresh ticket given him, and he paid the interest, 2 1/2 d.

Cross-examined. When once an article goes up the spout a month's interest has to be paid for it—I did not enquire in Charlotte Street whether there was a person named Williams living there—it was pawned about 12 or 1 o'clock in the day—the wrappers were changed about 3 o'clock—I took in the pledge myself—the transaction was in the front shop.

WILLIAM PUTTOCK (Detective Officer F). On the 10th July I and Thomas Neville, another detective, went to No. 94, Great Guildford Street, Southwark—we followed Whyle and Rabout into the house—they went into the back room, first floor—soon after, Emily Lucy and Hill came in, and I told Emily Lucy that her husband was in custody—Hill said her husband was on remand at Horsemonger Lane—I told them we should search the place, and we did—I found this duplicate in a box with a number of others, and I asked Hill how she accounted for it—she said "They are all my tickets in that box; I have got a lot more somewhere"—the other prisoners were there at the time—Emily Lucy said she knew nothing about it—the other prisoners never spoke—the wrapper I have come from a box in the front room—I found 50 yards of wire, a galvanic battery, six torpedoes, and a box—I produce them—in the front room I found a large box of Huntley & Palmer's biscuits—I asked Hill how she came in possession of them—she said "Some strange man must have put them there"—the rooms, back and front, were used as bedrooms, but in the back room there were only a few shavings—I found a quantity of linen handkerchiefs, collars, a photographic album in a case, and a box containing marks, "C. N. S.," and "Steers;" also a certificate of marriage, which I produce.

Cross-examined I believe Rabout has had something to do at a lunatic asylum.

THOMAS NEVILLE (Detective Officer P & W). I produce a watch and case, and the tickets I found at the house when I went with Puttock, one for a silver lever watch, another for an American dial, and another for some linen—I had information of the robbery and loss of Captain Steer's property at the time I went to the house—Warner was in custody in Horsemonger Lane Gaol at the time.

BENJAMIN FILEMAN . I am a pawnbroker, in Union Street, Borough—on 30th June I issued this ticket—it refers to this black coat—a woman

pawned it; neither of the prisoners—this ticket refers to a blue jacket, this to a pair of coloured trowsers and vest, and this to a pair of trowsers pawned on the 2nd July—there are marks on most of the linen produced.

WILLIAM SPICER . I am assistant to Mr. Folkard, pawnbroker 160, Blackfriars Road—this ticket is issued from our place; it is for a pair of Wellington boots—I produce them—I took them in on the 30th June from John Steel—I don't know him—they are marked "C. W. Steer"—this is my ticket for a silver lever watch for 2l., and two flannel undershirts, and a pair of flannel drawers, pledged on the 30th June—I produce them—the watch has only a number on it, and the maker's name.

JAMES YOUNG . I am assistant to Mr. Chapman, pawnbroker, Charlotte Street, Blackfriars Road—on the 30th June this ticket was issued from our place—I produce the articles—I did not take them in—they are marked "J. P. Steer," in full—on the 4th July this ticket was issued from our establishment—I produce the article, a travelling shawl—I took it in—it is marked "C. W. Steer."

JOSHUA HURD . I am assistant to Mr. Lawley, pawnbroker, Blackfriars Road—this ticket was issued from our establishment on the 8th July, for a dial, which I produce—I took it from a man who gave the name of George Scott.

BENJAMIN TOWNSBND . I am assistant to Joseph Chapman & Cos., grocer of High Holborn—I have seen the biscuits that were stolen from our door on the 2nd July—this, box is ours—it contained four tins—we deal with Huntley & Palmer—I have never known them to mark their boxes with the same number.

CHARLES BEST . I keep the Horse Shoe Tavern, Tottenham Court Road—the towel produced, with the horseshoe mark, is ours—I lost it on the 4th July, in the evening, from the lavatory—the man Lucy and the two women next to me, I believe I have seen as customers, standing in front of my bar.

ANN LEEMING . I am a widow, and live at 216, Tottenham Court Road—I am matron to the North London Consumption Hospital, out-door patients department—I recognise this clock—it was in the place where I am matron on the morning of the 8th July.

JAMES WILLIAMS . I keep the Arundel Hotel in the Strand—Captain Steer was staying at my house—the album, cartes de visite, writing-case, and portmanteau produced, belong to him—the portmanteau was lost from my hotel on the 28th June—Captain Steers has gone to Jamaica—he left a few days after information was given to the police.

REBECCA NORRIS . I am the wife of Joseph Norris, of 94, Great Guildford Street, Southwark, a pattern maker—the two female prisoners came to my house on 30th June—I had two rooms to let—they did not take the rooms, but said they would send their husbands, and John Lucy and Charles Warner came and took the rooms—they were to have taken possession on the Saturday, but they did not come in until the following Monday—the two women came then and the man Lucy—they continued there up to the time of Lucy being taken into custody, and Rabout came backwards and forwards to the house twice.

Cross-examined. Warner lived with one woman and Lucy lived with his wife.


JOHN LUCY and EMILY LUCY— GUILTY.Emily Lucy recommended to mercy on account of her youth .— Judgment Respited . The Jury being unable to agree in the case of Rabout, were discharged without a verdict.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-557
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown; Miscellaneous > no agreement

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557. THOMAS ARTHUR RABOUT, JOHN WHYLE, JOHN LUCY, EMILY LUCY , and HEPHZIBAH HILL , were again indicted for stealing a portmanteau, shawl, and other articles, the property of James Williams.

MR. BBSLEY conducted the Prosecution; and MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS defended Rabout.


JAMES ZARING . I produce a ticket for a pair of trowsers and vest, pawned on the 30th June in the name of John Steel; I also produce a shawl, pawned on the 4th July—It was pawned to the best of my knowledge by Rabout.

Cross-examined. I said before the Magistrates that I believed Rabout was the man that pawned the shawl, but I was not sure—I could not go on my oath that he is the man.

JAMES WILLIAMS . This shawl is the property of Captain Steer, and this watch also.

REBECCA NORRIS . I did not see anything brought into the house—I was confined in bed—I had seen Rabout only twice at the house; they had only been at the apartments three days.

JOSEPH WRIGHT (Policeman P 296). I took Henry Parsons and Charles Warner into custody about 1. 40 on Saturday morning, the 5th July—they have been in custody up to the present time from Dr. Paul's, of Peckham Road—I do not know where they were living at all.


The Jury, being again unable to agree in the case of Rabout, were discharged without a verdictt and the trial postponed till next Sessions.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-558
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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558. HENRY PARSONS (30), and CHARLES WARNED (29), (indicted with the said John Whyle.

PLEADED GUILTY to breaking and entering a building within the curtilage of the dwelling-house of John Hayball Paul, and stealing therein one blanket and other articles, his property.— Judgment Respited.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-559
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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559. GEORGE SELLER (25) , Stealing 2s. of the moneys of William Whale, his master.

MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS conducted the Prosecution; and MR. BESLEY the Defence. JOSEPH LONG. I am manager to Mr. Whale, who keeps the Barley Mow, Paradise Street, Rotherhithe—on Saturday morning, 2nd August, at 9.30. I was in the bar of the public-house—there were half-crowns, two-shilling pieces, shillings, and sixpences in the till—I put two florins in the till—I marked both florins first, and then shut the till up—the prisoner subsequently came into the bar a few minutes after the half hour—he was left in the bar alone for about an hour—At 10. 30 I examined the till; the prisoner was then in the bar—I found one of the two florins that I had marked was missing; this one (produced) is it—I had emptied the tills, with the exception of a shilling in each till, which we leave in every two hours—after doing so, I spoke to my master; he was then going out—next morning, Sunday, Mr. Whale came into the bar with Inspector Turk—my

master said to the prisoner, "George, I want to speak to you," and called him up stairs into the sitting-room—he asked him if he had any marked money about him, and he said not that he was aware of—he then asked him if he had any objection to let him see what he had—he said No, he had no objection—the four of us then went up into his bedroom—the prisoner had a box there, and he unlocked it and took out a purse containing some silver and a half-sovereign, amounting to something over 2l.—that money was examined, but we did not find the marked florin amongst it—Inspector Turk asked him if he had any more money—he said "No"—afterwards we went to his cupboard, where his clothes were hanging up, and took some money from his pocket; five two-shilling pieces—he said he had forgotten that he had that—the cupboard was not locked, nor the bedroom door—another young man, the second barman, slept in his bedroom, but he was not in the bar on that Saturday between 9.30 and 10. 30—the Inspector examined the five florins, and found the one produced—I identified it as the one I marked—the prisoner said, if it was marked, I must have put it there—after some little talk, he said he had borrowed the money in his pocket from his brother the Sunday previous.

Cross-examined. Prisoner said he had forgotten the money in the cupboard, but he himself went and took it out—I have been in Mr. Whale's employment ten years and a half—I went to him at first as second barman—I have been promoted to manager—I have been manager of the Barley Mow two years—we have not turned any barman away during the two years—there has been one prosecuted before, but I had nothing to do with it—the others left on their own accord—the prisoner has been there twelve months—I did not tell Inspector Turk I was going to mark the florins—he is not a friend of mine, or my master's, that I am aware of—I have not seen him frequently—sometimes he comes into the house—I did not give the prisoner into custody at once, because I thought it would be the best to communicate with Mr. Whale—money is given from the tills for change over the bar, but not for gold—the prisoner was very angry when the florin was shown to him, and said I had put it there—I have never marked coins before—I have a witness to prove that I marked this—it did not take the Inspector three or four minutes to find the mark—I marked the florin with a knife while I was in the bar, just nicked it—I do not know how much money was taken out of the tills every two hours that Saturday, and I never looked again to see where my marked florins were coming back again—the prisoner had complained of his food, And had given notice to leave.

WILLIAM WHALE . I keep the Barley Mow—on Saturday morning, the 2nd of August, Long made a communication to me—on the following Sunday morning I brought Inspector Turk into the house—I said to the prisoner I was very sorry he had been doing wrong, and asked him if he had any objection to tell me what money he had got—he said "No"—I said "Well, will you show it to me?"—he said "Yes, you can see it if you like," and he walked up to his bedroom, unlocked his box, and took out a purse—he said he bad got about 2l.—I asked him if he had any money anywhere else—he said "I forgot; I have 10s. in my trowsers pocket that I got from my brother last Sunday, but that I can account for"—he took the money out of the pocket, and one of the florins was marked—he said "I do not know anything about it; if it is marked it was put in my pocket; I did not put it there."

Cross-examined. I am not licensed for two publicrbouses in my own name, but I am interested in the Princess Louise in Holborn—I have had a prosecution before, I, am sorry to say, in a marked money case—I marked the money then myself, not the, police—in this case I did not see the money marked—I believe what Long says—when the tills are, emptied the money is not piled up and given for change the same day, and it is contrary to my orders if it is done—my plan every morning is to put 15s. or 20s. of silver on a tray to start with, and 12s. 6d. in copper—it would be a rare occurrence for us to give change out of the till—there has only, been one person prosecuted since Long has been manager at my place—I have every confidence in Long—I got a reference from Mrs. Castle with the prisoner—I believe he had lived with, her at the North Pole—he had complained, of the food, and said the place was not good enough for him—I said he got the same food as I did, and if that was not good enough I had nothing more to say—he gave me three weeks' warning.

THOMAS TURK (Police Inspector R). I saw the five florins taken from the pocket of the prisoner's trowsers—the mark, on the florin was explained to me before I went to get the money.

The Prisoner received a good character.


Before Mr. Deputy Recorder.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-560
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment > penal servitude

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560. GEORGE RICHARDS (32) and JOHN BROWN (25), were indicted for being found by night, having in their possession implements of housebreaking.

MR. BESLEY conducted the Prosecution.

RICHARD SCULLY (Policeman M 328). I was on duty in Southwark Street on the 4th July last; Alfred Chase was also on duty about, the same place—I heard Chase cry out and saw Brown near Union Street—I ran after, him and ran against him in Suffolk Street—he was pretty nearly exhausted—I said "You have run the wrong road this time," and he said "Yes, there is only the, right and the wrong, and I have taken the wrong"—I found on him a box of matches and a knife—I did not see a jemmy.

JOHN MARSHALL . I am a telegraph messenger in the, employ of the Post Office—a little before 2 o'clock on the morning of the 4th July, I saw a policeman running after Richards, and I heard something fall which sounded like iron—I did not pick it up, but a policeman did, not in my presence—he came to the station afterwards and showed it.

SAMUEL BELLAMY . I am a chemist, at 86, Newington Causeway—between 8 and 9 o'clock on the morning of the 5th July, my boy drew my attention to the grating in front of my house—I saw it had been removed, and: the lead work let in to keep it in place was forced up, but they could not get any further—I saw this jemmy compared with the marks in the lead by the Inspector, and it fitted the marks exactly.

WILLIAM HALSE (Police Inspector). I compared the jemmy with the marks in Mr. Bellamy's grating—I found a portion of the stone in which, the lead was, adhering to the jemmy—the marks corresponded exactly, and, the stone was the same kind of stone as this (producing the particles.)

WILLIAM BATCHELOR (Policeman M 31). I picked up the jemmy in Union Street, Southwark, about 2. 20—the prisoners were then in, custody.

ALFRED CHASE (Policeman M, 131). I was on duty in High Street Southwark, about 2 o'clock on the morning of the 4th of July, and I saw

two men standing on the left-hand side of the road—I watched them, and saw them go up by Clayton Buildings—there is no thoroughfare there, and they crossed the road and went up Union Street—they stopped under a lamp, conversing, and I went on my knees and watched them, and saw them walk away towards the Borough, and get into a door-way—the prisoner Richards passed close by and had a jemmy in his side pocket, and I grabbed at it—he threw it down and cried out "Pick that up and go home"—I held him till a cabman came up, and I told him to hold the prisoner, and gave him my truncheon—the other prisoner was standing about fifty yards away in Union Street, and I ran after him—as soon as he saw me give the cabman the other prisoner, he took, off and he was stopped by another constable, and we took them both to the station—Richards threw the jemmy some distance up Union Street—they were about half a mile from Mr. Bellamy's house.

GUILTY .**—RICHARDS— Seven years Penal Servitude. BROWN— Ten Years' Penal Servitude.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-561
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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561. GEORGE GURR, Stealing a quantity of grocery, the property of Edward James Wright, his master.

MESSRS. MONTAGU WILLIAMS and STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution; and MESSRS. BESLEY and WRIGHT the Defence.

EDWARD JAMES WRIGHT . I am a grocer, at Noa. 106 and 108, High Street, Clapham, and have a large number of persons in my employ, and have several carts to go rounds, under the charge of men in my service—Gurr had been in my employ four or five years, or more, and his wages were 28s. or 29s. a week—his duties were to go out with a cart—his round was Tooting and beyond Wandsworth—he had to collect orders, to enter them in a book, and deliver them in the afternoon, and come back to the shop—he did not see the orders executed—he gave the particulars in the shop—he was also supplied with butters, lard; and eggs as surplus stock, to supply what might be wanted at the moment—he was not allowed to go elsewhere, except his round—he resided at 3, Bellamy Street, Balham, and had no right in that street—I had occasion, some six or seven months ago, to give an order with respect to refreshments going to their own houses—no man was to go off his round under any circumstances—if they required refreshment, they were to drive home and take their dinner or tea hour, and if the horse required refreshment, they were to bring it home and place it in the stable—they were not to call at their own homes—they could buy goods in the shop under certain circumstances, but, would have to pay for them, or have them booked in the regular way—I use a waste-book, a journal, a small rough ledger, into which every small account is posted, and an ordinary ledger—if a man in Gurr's position had purchased a ham, or any article of that sort, it would have gone into the waste-book, and from that into the rough ledger—it would have been booked to him in the rough ledger—about the 10th of May I had a communication made to me, and in consequence of that, I had an interview with a man named Spearing, who resides next door to Gurr's, in Bellamy Street, Balham, in consequence of which I communicated with the police, when a room was hired three doors from Gurr's, in the same street, and two detectives, Mellish and Panther, were instructed to attend there—on the 31st of May my attention was called to something in reference to Gurr—I gave him into custody—it was Saturday night—I paid him myself when he was given into custody—I

then went down to his house, 3, Bellamy Street, which was searched—I saw the whole of the things found, at the station, afterwards—they were my property, to the best of my belief—I had a customer of the name Delay, who lived at Tooting.

Cross-examined. I employ from 40 to 50 hands altogether—I should say there are from 20 to 25 or 30 in the shop—about a dozen I should think would be authorised to supply goods to anyone who asked, or to one of my own men—Jolly is not a shopman—I had a man named Judd, but he died I think, at Christmas—it is possible that he died since the 30th May, and he may have been in the shop on the 28th May—I am only speaking from memory—I am not very dear on that point—I should not object to the men having goods if they paid for them, or they were properly booked—if a ham were ordered and the person ordering it did not want it after all, it would be the duty of the man to bring it back—if such a thing had happened with Mr. Delay the prisoner's book should prove it—I do not look after such a matter myself—I know of no such errors as things being entered to the wrong person—I have twelve or thirteen carts for the delivery of goods to customers—it might happen that a man taking out one of these carts would be ill, and his place would be supplied by someone else—I have no doubt it may have occurred towards the end of May, probably it was so—I prosecuted one of my men for embezzlement about May, I believe shortly before this time in question—I do not remember discovering any other peculations in my establishment—I had not had confidence in the prisoner quite up to this time—I had always had confidence in the prisoner—I had no proof to the contrary—many of the goods found in the house were such as any grocer would sell—it is my belief that my men generally as a rule dealt with me for grocery, and they pay for what they have—that is understood—I have looked in this book (produced) and find no entry of a ham either taken out, or returned, and no grocery of the description on the 24th or 30th—if a ham had been ordered by Mr. Delay, and not wanted, it would have been the man's course of business to have brought it back—it ought to have been given credit for.

THOMAS NOBBS . I am an assistant in the employ of Mr. Wright—Gurr was a fellow-servant—about 28th May he asked me for a ham for Mr. Delay, who was a customer—I wrapped the ham in paper and wrote on it "Delay, Esq., 11 1/2 lbs. at 1s. 2d. a lb."—I saw a ham afterwards which had been found in the prisoner's house—this piece of paper is what I wrapped it in—there is my writing on it.

Cross-examined. I have sent hams to Mr. Delay before, and I always do them up in paper—I believe it was on or about the 28th May this occurred; it was about the time of the races—I had often served Gurr with things before—it often happens that goods are returned—the ham would be charged in the waste-book first—it would be entered in the order-book by the man who took the order, and then copied into the day-book—Gurr might have had some provisions for himself about that time, but if he did they were paid for—I was always paid for all goods that he had—I have no doubt he had some goods at the end of May.

GEORGE MELLISH (Detective Officer). I watched Gurr's house from the early part of May—on 28th May, about 9 o'clock a. m., I saw him drive up with another man—I made notes at the time—I was at Rose Cottage, a few doors from his house—he took some oranges from the cart, stopped eight minutes, and drove away—he drove up again at 1. 8 o'clock, took a

packet from the cart, took a bottle from a basket, and put the bottle into the cart, and he took the basket into the house—there was something on the top of the basket, wrapped up in light brown paper; it looked like a ham—he came out again, and took a small deal box into the house—he stopped twenty-five minutes, and then drove away—on the 29th May he drove up at 9 o'clock a. m., took a basket and several packets from the bottom of the cart, put them in the basket, and took them into the houses—he stayed ten minutes—at 8. 23 I saw Gurr and Izzard drive up, both in Gurr's cart—Izzard went to his house, and Gurr drove on to his house—he took fourteen bundles of firewood from the cart, took them indoors, came out again, and drove away—on the 30th he drove up at 8. 55—I could not see what he did then, as my landlady was standing in the garden in front of the window—I had been watching Gurr's house eight days—he generally came there three times a day in one of the prosecutor's carts; and on most of those occasions he took goods from the cart into the house—I was present on 31st May when the house was searched—the things found were 11 bottles of stout, 22 bundles of firewood, 2 pieces of ham, 1 piece uncooked, 14 empty bottles, 22 eggs, 9 bottles of sundries, 16 jars and contents, various groceries, 12 brushes, 2 packets of candles, 15 tins and contents, 1 canister of biscuits, 6 boxes of matches, 3 boxes of sundries, 3 pieces of soap, 17 sheets of emery, 2 pounds of butter, 3 pounds of raisins, 17 sundry packets, and 9 other bottles and contents—I took those things to the station—besides those things there were a great number of jars and tins which were not fetched away.

Cross-examined. Bellamy Street is about a mile and a quarter from Mr. Wright's shop—it is a thoroughfare, and runs parallel with the main road—Rose Cottage is a detached house, about five or six doors from the end of the street, and on the same side as Gurr's house—there are only two houses in between—there are steps up to the front door of Rose Cottage—the window was open at times—I was sitting close to the window, but the people passing in the street could not see me, because there were curtains—they were open knitted curtains—I could not see Gurr's door from the window, nor the gate—I could not see anyone going in and out of that gate—I could see the roadway—I took the direction he went in—I could see him going in the direction of the gate—I saw him going into the house once—that was on 31st May at 9. 10 a. m.—I was in the road—he took in some stout—there was no concealment in his taking in the things—he generally came about 9 o'clock in the morning first.

Re-examined. On all these occasions I could see that the cart drove up opposite the house, and things were taken from the cart, and he returned without the things—the distance between the cart and the front door of his house is about 7 yards, the distance of the path and the forecourt.

EDWARD JOLLY . I am a clerk in the prosecutor's service—these are Gurr's order-books—I have searched through them, but I can find no entry of a ham to Mr. Delay.

MARTHA STYASS . I am cook to Mr. Delay, of Tooting—the prisoner came to our house for orders—I give the orders—I did not order a ham from him on 28tb May, and no ham was delivered on that day—we had one on the 20th May, and the next was 5th June—this is our book of things supplied by Mr. Wright—on the 20th May I had a ham, 9 1/2 lbs.

Cross-examined. That ham was supplied the same day it was ordered

—it was not returned—I don't remember when we had a ham before the 20th of May.

EDWARD JAMES WRIGHT (re-called). Gurr came in the morning, about 7. 45 or 8 o'clock—he had his breakfast before he came—he would have one hour to his dinner, when he came in after the first round, before starting for his rounds in the afternoon—his dinner hour would depend upon the time he came in—if Gurr had wanted a ham he could have applied to Nobbs, or Ludd at the time he was alive, or Morton, or Elliott—I am not quite clear whether Ludd was dead at the time—I did not hear that Gurr's wife was lying ill—she was not ill when I saw her on the 31st.

GUILTY .— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-562
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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562. WILLIAM IZZARD (24) , Stealing two bottles and a quantity of grocery, the property of Edward James Wright, his master.

MR. STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution; and MR. WRIGHT the Defence.

EDWARD JAMES WRIGHT . Izzard has been in my employment some time—it was his duty to go the Clapham Common round with the cart to get orders, enter those orders in his book, and when he returned to hand the book in and assist at the counter—it was part of his duty to go out and deliver goods, except the other man was ill, and then he would take his place—he resided next door but one to Gurr—his wages were 32s. a week—if he wanted goods for his own consumption, I should haw allowed him to have them on his paying cash or having them entered against him—I received a communication—Panther and Mellish watched his house from next door—on 31st May I had some information from the police, and Izzard was taken into custody—before I gave him into custody I said "What have you taken into your house this morning?"—he said he had taken nothing—I said "What did you take in the day before and the days previously"—he said he had taken in bottles of milk—I said "Probably you have taken in bottles of milk, but parcels?"—he said if he had taken in any parcels they were paid for—I afterwards went to his house in Bellamy Street with the police, and saw a variety of articles found there—I found two parcels, one of which I speak to, containing sugar, tea, and cocoa, of the value of 2s. or 3s.—I found two bottles of stout, and a variety of bottles containing sauces, and five packets of different kinds of grocery—I saw 32 empty condensed milk cans found in the dust-bin—I had given instructions to the men with respect to refreshments.

Cross-examined. Izzard had been in my service nearly 10 years, and up to this time I have had no complaint to make against him—I communicated to all the men who went out with horses and carts, and I am sure this man was there—the price of the tins of milk full is 8d. each; they are of no value at all empty—the value of all the other things that were found will be under 10s.—if he wanted goods he would order them of any of the shopmen, and there are twelve or fourteen—if he paid for them at the time, they would not be booked; it would not appear what he had had, but only so much money received.

JOHN PANTHER (Detective Officer). Mellish and myself watched the premises of Izzard in Bellamy Street, from the 23rd May till he was given into custody—Mellish took notes at the time—I saw Izzard in his cart on the 23rd, 24th, 26th, and 27th—I saw him take things from his cart into the house; they appeared like parcels of grocery—on the 28th he drove up with the cart at 12 20—he took a small parcel from a basket, and put it in another basket,

and took it into the house; came to ask to the cart, took two bottles, one wrapped in white tissue paper, into the house, and back to his cart, let down the tail board, and took out a square box of plants in pots—that was all I saw that day—on the 29th he drove up at, 7. 37 in the morning—he did not deliver anything there—he came again at 1. 36, took three parcels from the cart, one rather large, in brown paper, and two black bottles—he put them in a basket, and put them in—I saw him again in the afternoon, but he did not take anything in then—on the 30th he drove up at 1. 54, foot a basket containing several small parcels, and two black bottles and a large brown paper bag full of Something—I saw him on the 31st about 2. 40—he took into the house two black bottles, one large dark brown paper parcel, a light paper bag, and a deal box—on the evening of that day, a communication was made to Mr. Wright, and the prisoner was taken into custody.

Cross-examined. Mellish and I were at Rose Cottage at the same time—I was looking through 'the curtains—I don't think anyone could see in—I have not tried it—I found the things at Izaard's house which have been spoken to by Mr. Wright—the prisoner is a married man and has a wife and children.

Re-examined. I found a dark brown paper bag, and light paper bag, like those he had taken in in the afternoon of the 31st; they contained grocery.

GUILTY .— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-563
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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563. AUGUSTUS LAWRENCE PALK (33) , Stealing a quantity of grocery, the property of Edward James Wright, his master, and also conspiring to defraud him of his goods.

MR. STRAIGHT, for the Prosecution, offered no evidence.


18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-564
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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564. WILLIAM BROWN (42), Was indicted for wilful and corrupt perjury at the hearing of a bastardy appeal.

MR. GRIFFITHS conducted the Prosecution; and MR. STRAIGHT the Defence.


18th August 1873
Reference Numbert18730818-565
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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565. WILLIAM RALPH (40), HARRIET SCOTT (15); MARY ANN CASTLE (50) JOHN HOWE (33), GEORGE CASTLE (24), and JOHN WITHAM (39) , Stealing 1 ton of beeswax, the property of John Kingsford Field and others, the masters of Ralph. Second Count—Receiving the same.

MR. METCALFE. Q.C., with MR. STRAIGHT, conducted the Prosecution; MESSRS. F. H. LEWIS and CROOME appeared for Mary Ann Castle, MR. WARNER SLEIGH for Howe, MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS for George Castle, and MR. LYON for Scott and Witham.

JOHN KINGSFORD FIELD . I am a member of the firm of J. C. & T. Field, of Upper Marsh, Lambeth, wax bleachers—we have another business in the name Cowan & Co., in Moorgate Street—at the time he Was taken, Ralph had been in our employ as a labourer about six years, at Upper Marsh—I did hot know any of the other prisoners—in April this year, three blocks of yellow wax were shown to me by my foreman, Brockwell—in the preceding January, I had executed an order for Messrs. Clark, for shipment of ten tons of wax of a particular kind; the blocks were white and of a special shape—in executing these orders there was necessarily a surplus—that order would be executed at Upper Marsh, and such surplus blocks as remained would be kept on the premises to be worked up again in the next quantity—ten tons of yellow wax were supplied to Messrs. Clark, and I had no complaint of any deficiency—I caused inquiries to be

made in April, and came in communication with King, who carries on business in Union Street, Southwark; and about the same time I saw some wax in a bag at my premises at Moorgate Street, broken up—I put two of the blocks together, and am prepared to swear that it was my make and my property—it was not in a state in which I should have sold it—I communicated with the police at Scotland Yard, and obtained the services of Sergeant Croome—I went with him on 18th April to King's premises, and asked him to show me about 3 cwt. of wax; he showed me both white and yellow wax, and I took samples of it on a subsequent occasion—I can swear to 3 cwt. of wax as our manufacture, but I cannot swear we had not sold it, although the white wax I can swear was stolen—the yellow wax was finished, but the white wax was unfinished—King showed me two blocks, about 25 lbs. each, of unfinished wax, besides the 3 cwt. of yellow—I suppose the yellow to be mine as well—in consequence of what King said, I went to Jewell's premises in Gibson Street, Waterloo Road—he is a marine store dealer—I had a prolonged conversation with him, in consequence of which I went, on Friday afternoon, to Mrs. Castle's premises, a marine store dealer's, of Union Street, Lambeth Walk, about ten minutes walk from Jewell's—I said "My name is Field, and this is Sergeant Croome of the Detective Force; I have come here in consequence of what I have been told by Mr. Jewell, who tells me that on various occasions he has purchased wax of your son, the wax so purchased is my property, and has been stolen from me, and I have called to ask you what account you can give me of it" (I ought to have mentioned that in the first instance I had asked for George Castle, but his mother said that he was not at home)—she said "I know nothing about the wax; I never had any on my premises, and I am sure my son has not, I don't even know what beeswax looks like; does it look like grease or tallow?"—I said "When will your son return"—she said that it was uncertain, as he was frequently away for days together, and it was quite possible he was in Yorkshire—I said I wished very much to see him—she said "I promise that he shall call on you directly he returns, and if I hear from him before he returns, I will let you know where he is"—I had brought some papers from Jewell's, and I said "I have his receipts