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Sessions Paper.








Short-hand Writers to the Court,








Law Publishers to the Queen's Most excellent Majesty.



On the Queen's Commission of



The City of London,





Held on Monday, July 6th,1868, and following days,

BEFORE THE RIGHT HON. WILLIAM FERNELEY ALLEN, LORD MAYOR of the City of London; The Hon. Sir WILLIAM BOVILL. Knt, Lord Chief Justice of Her Majesty's Court of Common Pleas; Sir JOHN MUSGROVE. Bart., DAVID SALOMONS. Esq., M.P., Sir ROBERT WALTER CARDEN. Knt, Sir WILLIAM ANDERSON ROSE. Knt, Sir THOMAS GABRIEL. Bart, Aldermen of the said City; The Right Hon. RUSSELL GURNEY. Q.C., M.P., Recorder of the said City; JAMES CLARKE LAWRENCE . Esq., JOSEPH CAUSTON. Esq., and THOMAS SCAMBLER OWDEN. Esq., Aldermen of the said City; and THOMAS CHAMBERS. Esq., Q.C., M.P., Common Serjeant of the said City; Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer and General Gaol delivery of Newgate, Holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.

DAVID HENRY STONE . Esq., Alderman








A star (*) denote that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars (**) that they have been more than once in custody—an obelisk (†) that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.


~OLD COURT.—Monday, July 6th, 1868.

Before Mr. Recorder.

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-568
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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568. CHARLOTTE STAGG (20), was indicted for willful and corrupt perjury.

MR. METCALFE conducted the Prosecution; and MR. F. H. LEWIS the Defence.

CHARLES WOODBRIDGE . I am a solicitor, at Uxbridge, and clerk to the Magistrates there—I was present at the hearing of a summons against George Stevens, at the instance of the prisoner—I produce the information, and this is the summons—he hearing took place on 30th March, at Uxbridge, before Lieut-Colonel Greville and other Magistrate—the prisoner was sworn—I took a note of what she said—(This was statement by the prisoner that George Stevens was the father of her child, and in cross-examination she stated, "I went to Mrs. Baker and saw her alone—I did not say to Mrs. Baker that if she would not come to-day and swear she saw Stevens in bed with me I would swear that I saw stevens in bed with her")—it was upon this statement the perjury was assigned—Mr. Gardener, the attorney for the defence cross-examined her, and cautioned her.

Cross-examined. Q. Were there two adjournment? A. Yes, and at the end the case was dismissed.

WILLIAM GARDENER . I am a solicitor, at Uxbridge—I was acting as the attorney for Stevens in this matter before the Magistrates—it was upon my cross-examination that the statement read was made—I impressed upon her the necessity for caution—I was particularly anxious to do so in order that she should not repeat it if she was willing to retract it, and that she might have a full opportunity to do so, I repeatedly cautioned her before I put the question—she adhered to the statement.

Cross-examined. Q. By whom were you instructed, by Stevens or Mrs. Baker? A. On that occasion I appeared for Stevens—Stevens paid me—I had nothing to do with Mrs. Baker, she was a stranger to me until that morning—it was from her that I received the information to put the question—Stevens was in the employment of a Mr. Woodward.

SARAH BAKER . I am the wife of James Baker, a market gardener, of Arlington—the prisoner was formerly in my service—she left on the 24th December, 1866—at the time she was there a man named Stevens was in my service as Mr. Baker's groom—the prisoner called on me on a Friday evening in last March—I could not tell the day of the month, it was a fortnight and two days before the hearing—she said she had been to Bedford, and she thought as she was passing the house she would call in and see me and the children—I said, "Well Charlotte, how are you?"—she said, "Very well, thank you, ma'am; and while I am here, I may as well tell you that I have been to Mr. Woodward's to-day, to see George Stevens, he is the father of my child, and if he does not keep it by fair means he must by foul"—I said I knew nothing of the case—she said, "I know you don't, ma'am"—she then wished me good evening, and left—she came on the following Tuesday, and said, "I have come to ask you if you will come to Uxbridge and speak for me"—I said, "No; Mr. Baker would not allow me"—she said her lawyer told her that I should only have a few words to say in her case—I said I could not come, and she said, "If you do not come and swear that you saw George Stevens in my bed, I will swear I saw him in yours"—this was in the parlour—I directly took her into the kitchen where my two servants, Compton and Lane, were, and said, "What do you think this wicked girl says, that if I do not come and swear I saw George Stevens in her bed, she will swear she saw him in mine"—the prisoner said, "And so I will"—she repeated that twice over—she then walked out—I heard nothing more of it till a summons camf from her for me to appear at Uxbridge—I went there—I saw Mr. Gardener, and made a statement to him.

Cross-examined. Q. When the prisoner first came, did she ask you to give her a character? A. Yes—I have stated all she said, as well as I can recollect—I said before the Magistrates that she used the words "So help me God"—she did so—she said that in the kitchen—I omitted those words to-day—the prisoner was in a very great passion, very excited—I was subpoenaed before the Magistrates on behalf of the prisoner—I don't think I was asked any questions by her solicitors as to whether Stevens had been in my bed—I can't recollect what was asked me—I was asked whether I had ever seen Stevens coming out of the prisoner's bed-room and whether I had ever told anybody so: that was all.

BRIDGET LANE . I am the wife of Denis Lane, of Arlington—I was in Mrs. Baker's service in March last—Caroline Compton was my fellowservant there—I remember the prisoner coming there in March, on a Tuesday; I can't exactly tell the day of the month—she went into the parlor with Mrs. Baker; the other servant showed her in—after some time, they both came out together in great confusion—she said to Mrs. Baker, "If you don't come and speak to my character, I will swear that George Stevens was in bed with you, and so he was"—I was standing at the washhouse door, not many steps from the parlor door—I did not understand what my mistress said—she was speaking to the other servant, who was about three or four steps from me, and close to Mrs. Baker—the prisoner was by the kitchen door, going out.

COURT. Q. Who spoke first, "Mrs. Baker, or the prisoner? A. Mrs. Baker—she told the other servant what the prisoner said in the parlor, but I did not hear that; then the prisoner said this.

CAROLINE COMPTON . I was servant to Mrs. Baker in March last—I know the prisoner—I saw her at Mrs. Baker's first on the Friday evening; I don't know the date—I was there when she came again on the following Tuesday—she asked to see Mrs. Baker privately—Mrs. Baker contented, and they went into the parlor together—about three minutes afterwards, Mrs. Baker returned into the kitchen with the prisoner, and said to me, "What do you think of this worthless wretch? she says if I do not go to Bedford, and say I saw George Stevens in bed with her, so help her God! she will say she saw him in my bed"—and the prisoner said, "And so I will," and repeated it twice—when she came on the Friday morning, she said she had been to Bedford, and she did not like to pass the door without calling to see how Mrs. Baker and the children were—Mrs. Baker asked how she was getting on—she said, "Not very well; I have been over to Bedford to see George Stevens, he is the father of my child; if he does not pay for it by fair means, he shall by foul"—Mrs. Baker said, "I know nothing of that—she said, "I know you don't, ma'am"—I was making pastry when they came into the kitchen.

Cross-examined. Q. When did Mrs. Baker speak to you again about this alleged conversation? A. I don't know that she mentioned it at all again—she did not speak to me at all before I went before the Magistrate—I did not hear Mrs. Baker examined.


6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-569
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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569. WILLIAM DAWKINS (19) , Stealing a watch and chain, the property of Henry Sheen, from his person.

MR. LEIGH conducted the Prosecution.

HENRY SHEEN . I am residing at the St. George's Hotel, Aldersgate Street—on 24th June, between 11.0 and 12.0, I was in Bishopagate Street—I had a watch and chain with me—I met a man and woman—the man addressed me, and then made a snatch at my chain, took my watch out of my pocket, and ran away—I ran after him, and lost sight of him a few minutes—after that I saw a constable bringing a man back, and I charged him at the station—the man ran in the direction of the City, from Bishopsgate Street—I did not see any other men about at the time—I was not quite sober.

ROBERT THURLOW (City Policeman 58). On 24th June, a little before 12.0, I was in Britannia Place, Bishopagate Street, and saw the prisoner running—the prosecutor was following ten or twelve yards behind, calling out, "Stop thief!" and "Stop him!"—I pursued the prisoner, and took him at the lower end of Britannia Place—there is no outlet there after 10 o'clock—the prosecutor charged him with stealing his gold watch and chain—he said he was innocent, and asked the prisoner not to charge him, as he was a hard-working man—he was running from the direction of Bishopsgate Street.

Prisoner. Was I running when you took hold of me? Witness. No, you had got to the extent that you could go—the door was closed, and you could not get through.

WILLIAM HATLEY (City Policeman 853). In consequence of hearing of this watch being stolen, I went to Swan Yard, on the morning of 25th June—that

is joining Britannia Place—I found this watch and chain in Swan Yard—it could have been thrown there from Britannia Place.

HENRY SHEEN (re-examined). This is my watch and chain.

Prisoner's Defence. I had been at work till 10 o'clock, and went out for an hour, and on returning home I walked down Britannia Place. I walked sharp, and a policeman came running down and caught hold of me. The prosecutor said he had lost his watch. I said I knew nothing of it, and I hoped he would not prosecute me.

JURY to ROBERT THURLOW. Q. Were there any other persons running at this time? A. No; none about but the prisoner and prosecutor—there was no one else in Britannia Place—I was standing there, and the prisoner ran past me.

GUILTY .*— Twelve Months' Imprisonment .

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Reference Numbert18680706-570
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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570. JAMES CALMAN (19), and MARGARET NEWLAN (19) , Robbery with violence on Charles Thomas, and stealing a chain, his property.

MR. LEIGH conducted the Prosecution; and MR. M. WILLIAMS defended Calman.

CHARLES THOMAS . I live at 27, Anchor Alley, St. George's—on 20th June, about 2 o'clock in the morning, I was in Red Lion Alley alone—I had been drinking a little, but was not drunk—I met the two prisoners and another woman—one of them said, "Now let him have it"—upon that, Calman struck me two violent blows in the face, and I was on the ground in a moment—I put my hand to my watch, and kept that from going—the chain broke off—I thought at first my watch was gone, but afterwards found it was only my chain—I saw Calman afterwards, and identified him—I had seen him before—he only lived in the next street to me—I never talked to him in my life.

Cross-examined. Q. What time was this? A. Between 1.0 and 2.0—I was not drunk—I had been on business to Islington—I had been to three or four public-houses—I won't swear it was not more—I had a glass of cooper at the first—I was about an hour there—at the second about two minutes—I had half-a-quartern of gin at the third—I had my senses perfectly about me—I told the officer I did not know what I had lost; I believed my watch and chain, and some money—I did not say I had lost 17s. and a gold watch and chain—the constable found 16s. in my pocket, and said, "You cannot have lost that, it is in your pocket"—he also found my watch—the prisoner said, "Thank God you have found the watch and the money, or I might have been charged with taking that."

GEORGE HICKMAN (Policeman K 460). On the morning of 20th June, I was in Red Lion Street, and saw the prisoners Calman and Newlan, and another woman following the prosecutor—I told them to go away—I followed them up Red Lion Court—I heard one of the women say, "Now let him have it"—Calman then struck him two violent blows in the face, and knocked him down—I ran after him—he ran into a house, ran up to the top room, and locked himself in—when the door was opened, he was lying on the bed—I told him to get up, and put his jersey on that he wore when he knocked the man down—I could not find it—I took him into custody—I am sure the female prisoner is one of the women who were with him.

Cross-examined. Q. When you first saw the prisoners and prosecutor, where were they? A. They were talking together—the prosecutor wanted to get away from them—the prosecutor was not exactly sober; he knew what he was about.

COURT. Q. The man had on a jersey, had he? A. Yes, such as sailors wear—I found it after I had locked him up.

DONALD MC KAY (Policeman K 275). On 20th June I went into a house in Red Lion Court, between 4.0 and 5.0 in the morning; and, in a room pointed out to me, I found a jersey—I took it to the station—I then asked the prisoner where his jersey was—he said he never had one—I then showed this to him, and he said it was his—I asked him where he had left it, and he said where he was taken into custody—I said, "That is not where you live"—he said, "No, I live in 2, Salter's Alley."

Cross-examined. Q. Had the prosecutor been drinking? A. He had been—he seemed to know what he was about—I heard that he was found a sleep on a door-step before this.

EDWARD GAMBLE (Policeman K 49). About 2.15 on the morning of the 20th, the prisoner were brought to the station—I asked what the charge was, and the constable said the man had lost his watch and chain—I said to the prosecutor, "In which pocket was your watch?"—he showed me the left-hand pocket—I put my fingers in and pulled out the watch—I said, "You can't have lost your watch, because it is here, and the bow of the chain is attached to the watch still—he then said he had some money about him, and had lost 17s.—I found 16s. 10d. in his left-hand coat pocket—I then took the charge of stealing the chain—I found a silver chain in the prosecutor's waistcoat pocket: it was a gold chain that was lost.

CHARLES THOMAS (re-examined). The value of the chain was 3l. 10s.—I have not seen it since.


6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-571
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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571. JAMES CALMAN (19) , was subsequently indicted (before the Recorder) for unlawfully assaulting Charles Thomas , to which he PLEADED GUILTY .— Six Months' Imprisonment :

The following prisoners PLEADED GUILTY:—

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-572
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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572. CHARLES WALTON (18) , to unlawfully obtaining, by means of false pretences, seven hats of Henry Vyse and others, with intent to defraud.— Six Months' Imprisonment . [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-573
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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573. JOHN EARL (20) , to embezzling and stealing 5l. 1s. 6d., the monies of Robert Procter, his master.— Twelve Months' Imprisonment . [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-574
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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574. GEORGE LARRARD (45) , to stealing 88 lbs. of beef, the property of Joseph Cox and another; and also to having been before convicted on 12th June, 1865.— Twelve Months' Imprisonment . [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-575
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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575. RICHARD FURNIVAL (38) , to stealing money and postage stamps out of a post letter, the property of Her Majesty's Postmaster-General.— Five Years' Penal Servitude . [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-576
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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576. WILLIAM ALBERT LEWIS (16) , to five indictments for forging receipts for 4l. 17s. 3d., 4l. 14s. 4d., 3l. 15s., 4l. 3s. 9d., and 1l. 1s., the monies of Henry Stewart and another, his master.— Five Years Penal Servitude . [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-577
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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577. RICHARD TOOMES (31) , to stealing money and postage stamps out of a post letter, the property of Her Majesty's PostmasterGeneral.— Five Years' Penal Servitude . [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-578
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment

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578. HENRY HUNTER (24), and GEORGE COX (28) , to burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of James Dickson, and stealing three table cloths and other articles— COX FURTHER PLEADED GUILTY to a former conviction on 5th October, 1863.—** Seven Years'Penal Servitude . HUNTER— Nine Months' Imprisonment . [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-579
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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579. MARY ANN ELIZABETH DAWKINS (31) , to unlawfully endeavouring to conceal the birth of her child.— Six Months' Imprisonment . [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-580
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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580. GEORGE FORD (22) , being in the church of St. Saviour, Hampstead, stealing is. 4s. 71/2d. of Edward Ingpen and another, and afterwards burglariously breaking out of the said church, having been before convicted.— Seven Years' Penal Servitude . [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-581
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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581. JOHN CANNON (17), and JOHN COLEMAN (18), to burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Richard Hodge, and stealing 242 lbs. of lead.— Nine Months' Imprisonment each . [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-582
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentencesImprisonment > penal servitude

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582. THOMAS WALKER (28) , to stealing a horse and cart and other articles, the property of James Wheatley and another; also to burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Helena Hancock, and stealing twenty-six coins and other articles; and also to burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of John Weeding, and stealing twelve spoons and other articles, having been before convicted on the 9th July, 1866.— Seven Years' Penal Servitude . [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-583
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
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583. EDWARD JOHN CLARK (26) , embezzling and stealing 23l. 1s. 3d. and 11l. 9s. 2d. of William Henry Tylor and others, his masters.— Five Years' Penal Servitude . [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

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Reference Numbert18680706-584

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584. ROBERT HONEY (16) , embezzling and stealing 1l., 18s., and 1l. 1s. of Abraham Hyams, his master.— Twelve Months' Imprisonment .

NEW COURT.—Monday, July 6th, 1868.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-585
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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585. JOHN AKERS (24), and GEORGE BIBBEY (22) , Feloniously uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. CRAUFURD conducted the Prosecution; MR. M. WILLIAMS appeared for Akers, and MR. WOOD for Bibbey.

THOMAS NOBLE . I keep a beer-shop at Tottenham—on 30th April, between 1 and 2 o'clock, I served the two prisoners, and Brown, with two pots of ale and two cigars—Bibbey paid in good money, and they all three drank out of the same pot—they remained half or three-quarters of an hour.

GEORGIANA FILSELL . My husband keeps a beer-shop at Tottenham—on 30th April, Akers came in, and I served him with a pint of ale—he gave me a half-crown—I gave him 2s. and a four penny-piece—before he had got off the step, I looked at the half-crown and found it was bad—I had put it in the till, but there was no other there—I went to put other money in, and saw it lying on the farthings—I broke it, put it into a piece of newspaper, and afterwards gave it to a policeman.

Cross-examined by MR. M. WILLIAMS. Q. What was in the till? A. Shillings, sixpences, fourpences, and three pences, but no half-crowns, because we always clear the till after 1 o'clock—the 2s. piece was in a basin which holds nothing but farthings—there was a bad half-crown, but no 2s. piece.

LUCY PLUM . I am a widow, and keep a small grocer's shop at Edmonton—on 30th April, Brown came in alone (see next case) and paid me a halfcrown—I had no change, and went to my back door and sent for some—when I returned, Brown was still in the shop—I afterwards gave him his change, two sixpences, a shilling, and a fourpenny-piece, and he left.

COURT. Q. Who did you give the half-crown to? A. To Mrs. Ives, and it was brought back to me by her two hours afterwards; it was bad—I gave it to the policeman.

Cross-examined by MR. WOOD. Q. Did you see Bibbey? A. No.

FANNY IVES . Mrs. Plum gave me a half-crown, which I took to my mother, who gave me change, and I gave it to Mrs. Plum.

HANNAH IVES . On 30th April my daughter brought me a half-crown, and I gave her 1s. and three sixpences—I put it in my pocket, and paid it to Mr. Brown, the egg merchant, who brought it back, and said it was bad—I took it back to Mrs. Plum—there was no other half-crown in my pocket.

DAVID BROWN . I am an egg merchant, of Kingsland—on 30th April Mrs. Ives paid me a half-crown—I gave it to my brother, and he said it was bad—I took it back to Mrs. Ives, and saw her give if to Mrs. Plum.

ELIZA LAWSON . My husband Is a grocer, at Edmonton—on 30th April; between 3.0 and 5.0, Brown came in for a quarter of a pound of cheese, which came to 2 1/2d.—he offered me a half-crown—I tested it, and told him it was bad—he took it away, and paid me with good money.

THOMAS MARRIOTT . I am a baker, of Edmonton—on 30th April, about 4 o'clock, my wife brought me a half-crown to change—I found it was bad ten minutes afterwards, and took it to the station—I did not go into my shop, but could see Akers' back—I recognize his clothing; he had a white slop—my wife is not here, she was confined on Tuesday, and is ill in bed; she is also in a consumption, and is very dangerously ill.

The Deposition of ANN MARRIOTT was here read: "I am the wife of Thomas Marriott, a baker, and reside at Edmonton. On 30th April, the prisoner Akers came into my shop and asked for a penny loaf. I served him. He gave me a half-crown; I took the half-crown to my husband, in the yard, and changed it and took back to the prisoner 2s. 5d. change."

RICHARD PEPPER . I keep a beer-shop, in Water Lane, Edmonton, about a quarter of a mile from Mr. Marriott's—on 4th April, about 5.0 in the afternoon, Akers came in for some beer—he gave me a half-crown, and I gave him two sixpences, a shilling, a threepenny-piece, and a penny; one of the sixpences had a hole in it—I looked at the half-crown directly he left—I laid it on the corner of the table, as I had suspicions of it, and when I looked at it again I found it was bad—I went out, and saw Akers and the other two going down the road together—I sent a lad to the station for a policeman, and put another boy to watch in the lane—I gave the half-crown to Harse.

Cross-examined. Q. How far is Thomas Noble's house from yours? A. Two miles.

JOHN HARSE (Policeman Y 309). I was called by Mr. Pepper, who pointed out the prisoners to me in Water Lane, half a mile ahead of me—they got across the fields and marshes, crossed the River Lea, got Into a boat, and went to Walthamstow—they saw me, and ran away—I Overtook them in Standard Lane, and took them in custody, and told them the charge—they said that they knew nothing about it—I found on Akers 13s. 3d., in good money, and a duplicate; one sixpence had a hole in it—and on Bibbey 9s. 3d., and a knife—I received a bad half-crown, in pieces, from Georgiana Filsell, a half-crown from Lucy Plum, another from Marriott, and another from Pepper (produced).

Cross-examined by MR. WILLIAMS. Q. Were you examined before the Magistrate? A. Yes—I stated there that they ran away across the marshes.

Cross-examined by MR. WOOD. Q. Did you let them know you were after them? A. They were half a mile ahead of me, but I was in uniform,

and they could see me approaching—they all ran together, and Bibbey jumped into a ditch—I did not shout or take out my staff.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These four half-crowns are bad—the two last are from one mould.


They were both charged with having been previously convicted at this Court of a like offence, in April, 1867, when they were sentenced to Nine Months' Imprisonment; to this they Pleaded Guilty. Five Years' penal servitude each .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-586
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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586. The said JOHN AKERS and GEORGE BIBBEY were again indicted with JAMES BROWN (21) for a like offence.

MR. CRAUFURD conducted the Prosecution.

The evidence of the witnesses in the former case was read over to them, to which they assented.

Brown's Defence. I was at work at different places, and cannot say at which place I took the half-crown. I never passed bad money to my knowledge.


BROWN— Nine Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-587
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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587. THOMAS WILLIAMS (22), PLEADED GUILTY ** to a like offence.— Nine Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-588
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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588. ELIZABETH JONES (39) , to having counterfeit coin in her possession with intent to utter it.— Twelve Months' Imprisonment . [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] And

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-589
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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589. JOHN JERVIS (29) , to uttering as a sixpence a medal of less value than a sixpence.— Eight Months' Imprisonment . [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-590
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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590. WILLIAM MABERLY (21) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. CRAUFURD conducted the Prosecution.

ELIZA STANDING . I am in the service of Mr. Hogg, a pieman, of 15, Mile End Road—on 27th May the prisoner and another person came in between 8.0 and 9.0 at night—the prisoner asked for two pennyworth of eels and two pennyworth of bread, and gave me a half-crown—I put it on a board by itself, and after he had gone I found it was bad—it was placed on the top of a looking-glass in the sitting-room—I noticed that the prisoner had lost one finger—on 12th June he came again alone for one pennyworth of eels—I recognized him—he first offered me 1d. and then took a look and gave me a florin—I bent it with my teeth, and Mr. Hogg gave it to the constable, and I gave him the half-crown from the top of the glass.

Prisoner. Was I in liquor? Witness. You did not seem so—I did not say anything about your having one finger off till after you were remanded—you flurried me so that I did not think of it at first—I did not say that it was three weeks ago.

MR. COLERIDGE. Q. Which finger has he lost? A. I did not notice, but I think it is on the right hand; he had the florin in that hand.

Prisoner. Is it the first finger or the last? Witness. I do not know, but I think it is the next to the little finger.

FRANCES HOGG . My husband is a pastry cook, at 15, Mile End Road—on 28th May, between 8 and 9 o'clock, the prisoner came in with a short stout man, who called for a veal pie, and paid for it with a half-crown—I told him it was bad—he said that he took it in selling pots of flowers—I told my husband—they both ran away, and I gave the coin to a constable—the last witness is in our service.

Prisoner. How long was it from the time I gave your servant the half-crown till you saw me? Witness. A fortnight and three days.

THOMAS HALL (Policeman K 231). I took the prisoner on 13th June, and received these two half-crowns from Mrs. Hogg and Miss Standing—I found 5d. on him.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These coins are bad.

Prisoner's Defence. When she said it was bad, and that I was there three weeks before, I said, "No, I was at Aldershot at the time." She then said that it was a fortnight ago. I was in No. 7 Company; she did not mention my having a finger off till I was called.


Nine Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-591
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown

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591. HENRY MARSHALL (28), and MARIA LINCOLN (25), were indicted for a like offence.

MR. COLERIDGE conducted the Prosecution; and MR. COOPER the Defence.

GEORGE DINE . I keep the Prince Albert, Harrow Road—on 11th June, the prisoners passed, walking together, and Lincoln came in for two pennyworth of port wine—she put down a shilling—I put it in my month, bent it, broke it in half, and laid it before her—I had given her change—she gave me another, and wanted to take the two pieces, but I said, "I will take them"—while this was going on, Marshall came in for half a pint of beer and gave me two half-pence—he nodded his head to Lincoln—he went out first, and she followed him soon after—I followed them, met a Policeman, and told him.

WILLIAM PRIDDEAU . I received information, went into the Harrow Road, and saw the prisoners speaking together—I caught hold of Lincoln, and said, "I want you to come with me for passing bad money"—Marshall started off as fast as he could—he was afterwards brought to the station, and 4s. 21/2d. found on him, all good—Lincoln laid her purse down, it contained three half-crowns, some shillings, and 5d., making 10s. 5d., all good—Marshall ran out of the dock and was going to get the money—I tried to get him back, and he gave me a black eye, and kicked me on one hand.

Cross-examined. Q. Did not he say "She is my wife?" A. No.

WILLIAM MARSHALL (Police Constable). I took Marshall in the Harrow Road—he ran for 200 yards when Lincoln was taken—he had something white in his right hand, which he threw into his mouth, and immediately became black in the face, and down it went—he looked more like a dead man than a live one—when he got his breath he said, "You are a clever sort of a b——, what do you want me for!"—I took him to the station.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This broken shilling is bad—this florin is good.

MR. COOPER called

ANNIE MARSHALL . I am Lincoln's sister—I was present at her marriage to the male prisoner.

COURT. Q. Then your name is not Annie Lincoln? A. No; her maiden name was Marshall, and her husband's name is Henry Rouse—I was one of the witnesses, and signed the certificate—it was in Haggenton Church, about three years ago last Easter (MR. COOPER produced a marriage certificate).

MR. COLERIDGE. Is this the person you saw married? A. Yes; she is my own sister.

MARSHALL— GUILTY .— Six Months' Imprisonment .


6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-592
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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592. HENRY GOODING (21), was indicted for a like offence.

MR. COLERIDGE conducted the Prosecution.

JANE HAINES . I manage the refreshment department at Farrindgon Road Station—there are young women under me—on 10th June the prisoner came in for a glass of ale, which came to 2d.—he gave me a half-crown—I gave him 2s. 4d., and he left—I suspected the half-crown, and laid it aside—about a quarter of an hour afterwards, Emma Alford brought me a florin—I broke it, and found it was bad—I then examined the half-crown, and Broke that—I went into the bar, saw the prisoner, and said, "You have given this young lady a bad two-shilling-piece, and me a bad half-crown"—he said, "I am very sorry, I did not know I had"—he gave me a good half-crown, and ran off to the platform without taking his change—he was brought back, and laid his money on the counter, and was off again without receiving his change—I saw him take up the broken florin off the counter.

Prisoner. What did you do with the half-crown? Witness. I tested it, and put it in the till, apart from other money—it did not break, but I suspected it.

EMMA ALFORD . I am barmaid at the refreshment room, Farringdon Street Station—on 10th June, the prisoner came in for a glass of beer—he gate me a florin—I took it to Miss Haines, and saw her break it—I took the pieces back, and told him it was bad—he said, "Is it? I am very sorry," and gave me a good half-crown, which I gave to Haines—the prisoner took away the pieces of the half-crown—he went out on the platform, and had no change for the good half-crown.

Prisoner. Did not I lay down four half-crowns, and a half-sovereign? Witness. Yes, after you came from the platform.

MR. COLERIDGE. Q. Was that at the time he gave you the good half-crown? A. I took it to Jane Haines, and then he went down on the platform—Mr. Taylor brought him back—he then gave me another half-crown, and ran away—Mr. Taylor brought him back, and he then laid down the four half-crowns and half-sovereign—he took away the two pieces of the florin.

ROBERT TAYLOR . I am a booking-clerk at Farringdon Station—on 10th June I heard something, went on to the platform of the Chatham and Dover line—that would not be the proper platform for him, because he had taken a Hammersmith ticket—I told him I wanted him in the refreshment room for passing bad money—he said, "Very well, I will go quietly"—I took him, and Jane Haines accused him—he said that he was very sorry, he had only 1l. in the world, and pulled out four half-crowns, a half-sovereign, a florin, and a Hammersmith ticket—I said, "You have got 1l. 2s. now, and a Hammersmith ticket, so your story cannot be true; I shall detain you"—he heard me send for a policeman, and as soon as my back was turned he slipped off—I followed him, and saw him running as hard as he could, 300 or 400 yards from the station—I caught him, told him that was not the way to Hammersmith—he struck me a violent blow on the chest, and scratched my face—I threw him on his back—on the way to the station we heard something drop twice, but found nothing; presently we heard something else drop, and we found a good half-crown—he said, "I dropped that; I shall drop some more presently."

Prisoner. I live at Shepherd's Bush, and I had a Shepherd's Bush ticket. Witness. I can explain that: when you dropped the half-crown, a clerk who was with me struck a match, and the constable found it.

GEOEGE ROWE (Policeman E 83). I took the prisoner, and received this half crown from Jane Haines—going to the station, I heard something drop—a match was struck, and Mr. Taylor picked up a good half-crown, and gave it to me—I searched the prisoner, and found nothing, but he produced a half-sovereign before the Magistrate which I had not found.

Prisoner. Was I the worse for drink? Witness. No.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This half-crown is bad.

Prisoner's Defence. I worked nineteen hours at 71/2d. an hour, and received four half-crowns, a shilling, and 41/2d. I got change for the florin in a tobacconist's shop. GUILTY .— Nine Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-593
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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593. JOHN COOK (20), and SARAH CURTIS (22), were indicted for a like offence.

MR. COLERIDGE conducted the Prosecution.

ROBERT BARHAM SOUTHWARK I am a chemist, of 137, Minories—about the middle of May, Cook came for two pennyworth of pills, and gave me a half-crown—I gave him his change, kept it in my hand, tested it after he was gone, and broke it about an hour afterwards—I gave a portion of it up at the Mansion House; I could not find the other part.

WILLIAM NEWMAN . I am manager to Mr. Bartlett, of the Grapes, Aldgate—on 1st June, between 5.0 and 6.0 in the evening, the prisoner came in, and I served Cook with a pint of ale; they both drank of it—he gave me 6d., and I gave him 3d. change—they stayed, and he had one pennyworth of tobacco—he afterwards had a pint of ale, and put down a bad crown—I went round the counter, placed my hand upon the door, and said that am I had had two or three of the same sort lately I should give him in charge—I saw him get the 6d. from Curtis—he said to her, "Where could we have got it from?"—she said, "We received it in change for a sovereign at Blackheath—I marked the crown, and gave it to the constable—I had seen Cook at the house before, but not with Curtis.

EDMUND FLYNN (City Policeman 918). I took the prisoners—they both said that they were not aware they had such coin about them—Newman gave me the half-crown (produced)—Curtis offered a good shilling at the Grapes for what they had had—I received this other bad half-crown from the female searcher, and this broken one from Mr. Southwark.

SARAH BENDLE . I am searcher at Bishopsgate Station—I searched Curtis on 1st June, and found three half-crowns, a shilling, a florin, and two pence in a purse, in her gown pocket, and in an under skirt pocket this crown.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These two crowns are bad, and from the same mould—the half-crown is also bad.

COOK— GUILTY.** Fifteen Months' Imprisonment .

CURTIS— GUILTY .— Six Months' Imprisonment .

OLD COURT.—Tuesday, July 7th, 1868.

Before Mr. Recorder.

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-594
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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594. THOMAS CHANNICK (17), PLEADED GUILTY to feloniously forging and uttering an order for the payment of 43l. 7s., with intent to defraud.— Twelve Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-595
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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595. JAMES LONG** (55), to

stealing 180 yards of silk, of Mary Scholes, having been before convicted of felony.— Ten Years' Penal Servitude . [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-596
VerdictNot Guilty > directed

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596. ELIA FERMI (60), was indicted for feloniously sending to Basil Melas a threatening letter, demanding money, with menaces, without any reasonable or probable cause.

MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE, with MR. SLEIGH, conducted the Prosecution;

and MR. M. WILLIAMS the Defence.

After a statement of the case by MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE. the Jury were, by consent, discharged from giving any verdict; other indictments against the prisoner being ordered to stand over until the next-Session .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-597
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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597. GEORGE WHITEY (23), and GEORGE STANTON (21) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Thomas Ripper, and stealing five petticoats, and other articles, his property.

MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS conducted the Prosecution.

MARY RIPPER . I am the wife of Thomas Ripper, of 2, Sheep Lane, at the back of the Cat and Mutton public-house—on Sunday morning, 7th June, I went to bed about 1 o'clock—the shutters were fastened—about 4.45 I was called up, and found the window and shutters open—the person who called me up gave me a dress, and other articles, that had been hanging behind my door when I went to bed—the room is on the ground floor—these things (produced) are all mine, and were safe on the night in question.

GEORGE SPLAY (Policeman N R 46). On Sunday morning, 7th June, about 5.40, I saw the two prisoners together in the Lansdowne Road—I saw Whitey throw this pair of boots over the wall—I took the prisoners into custody—on Whitey I found some keys, a stocking, which Mrs. Ripper identified, two duplicates, and a comb—I afterwards went to Whitey's lodgings, and found this other property, which the prosecutrix has identified—I found money on Stanton—the prosecutrix lost 1s. 6d. in silver, and 1s. 3d. in copper; there is no mark on it.

CHARLES TEWKEY . I am a plasterer, and live in Duncan Square, Hackney—about 4.30, on this Sunday morning, I saw Stanton half in and half out of a parlor window at my uncle's, where I lodge—he was pulling the trousers off my bed—I said, "Holloa!" and he dropped them—I did not see Whitey at that time—after I washed myself, I went out—I then saw Whitey outside Mrs. Rippin's window, and Stanton was handing him a parcel out of the parlor window—they cut down Sheep Lane—I thought it was my coat and waistcoat, and I ran after them, and when they got round the corner they chucked the parcel over a fence—it contained the property that Mrs. Ripper has identified—I knew the prisoners before by sight.

Whitey's Defence. They were brought to my house by Stanton, about 5.45; he asked if he might leave them there. He said he had found them. We went out together, and as he was showing them to me they gave us is charge.

Stanton's Defence. The things were thrown over into Whitey's yard.

GUILTY .— Nine Months' Imprisonment each .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-598
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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598. WILLIAM ALFRED AUSTEN (22) , Feloniously forging and uttering an order for the payment of 25l. 5s., with intent to defraud.

MR. SLEIGH conducted the Prosecution; and MR. COLLINS the Defence.

JOHN WILLIAM SMITH . I am cashier at the London and County Bank, Knightsbridge branch—Mrs. Cox keeps an account there—on 23rd June, between 10 and 11 o'clock, the prisoner presented this cheque for payment—I saw at one that it was a forgery, and made a communication to Mr. Morris, and Mr. Cutter, the assistant manager—the cheque is now torn; it was entire when it was presented to me, and was for 25l. 5s.—the prisoner was shown into the private room, and I left the matter in the hands of Mr. Cutter and Mr. Morris. (The cheque, being read, was dated "22nd June, 1868," signed "Mrs. Cox," and endorsed, "Howell James.")

EDWIN CHARLES MORRIS . I am a clerk at the Knightabridge branch of the London and County Bank—I saw the prisoner come into the manager's room—I was not present at the interview between him and Mr. Cutter—afterwards Mr. Cutter told me to accompany him to Howell & James', the place he said he came from, to clear up the matter—I proposed to go in a cab—the prisoner objected to ride, and I waked with him—when we reached Eagle Court, near the end of Piccadilly, he turned to the right; I went with him—we reached the end of the court, and ought to have turned to the right, but the prisoner suddenly darted off at full speed to the left—I chased him, and called out after him—there were three or four persons standing on the pavement, which rather impeded his progress, and they helped me to secure him—a policeman came up, and we conveyed him to Howell & James,—I saw the senior partner, and asked him, in the prisoner's presence, if he knew him, and whether he had ever been in their employ—he said, "No"—I asked if he knew the endorsement—he said he did not, it was not their endorsement—at that moment, the prisoner snatched the cheque out of my hand, and attempted to swallow it—he was being held by two constables at the time, one on each side—I siezed his throat, and tried to prevent his swallowing it—he was thrown down, and we succeeded in getting the fragments of the cheque from his right hand—while he was struggling, he said, "I have swallowed it"—I said, "No, you have not"—he was then conveyed to the station—in January last I delivered to Mrs. Cox a cheque-book, numbered "S 15962"—all the cheques in that book would bear the same number—this cheque bears that number.

Cross-examined. Q. Would no other cheque book but that delivered to Mrs. Cox have that number? A. No—I did not deliver the book to Mrs. Cox myself; I don't know who did—I should not under any circumstances pay a cheque signed "Mrs. Cox"—that is utterly irregular—the endorsement is also improper.

EMILY COX . I am at present residing at the Grosvenor Hotel, and have been for some months—I understand that the prisoner was a waiter there, but I do not recognize him—I keep an account at the London and County Bank, at Knightsbridge—I obtained a cheque-book from there in January last—these are the counterfoils—this cheque is not my writing, nor was it written by my authority—one of the cheques is missing from this book, counterfoil and all, torn from the end—there were fifty, and forty-nine only remain—I usually kept it in my bed-room in a box, locked up—when I wrote cheques I brought it down to my sitting-room—I do not deal at Howell & James'.

Cross-examined. Q. The number does not appear in the counterfoil? A. No—I know this cheque come from that book by comparing the numbers of the cheques returned to me by the bank—I have not got them here—there

is no mark on the cheque itself by which I can identify it—I generally brought down my cheque-book in the morning, when I came to breakfast—sometimes I left it in the sitting-room till luncheon time, not on the table, in an open drawer.

WILLIAM FISH (Policeman R 42). I was on duty in Piccadilly—I heard persons calling out, and I went and assisted to stop the prisoner—I then went on with him and Mr. Morris to Howell and James'—I searched him at the station, and in his pocket-book among other things I found this paper, with the name of Howell & James written upon it.

JAMES WARD (Police Sergeant C R 1). I went with Mr. Morris and the prisoner to Howell & James'—I saw him snatch the cheque, and I struck him with my staff on the knuckles, which caused him to let go of it,

WALTER HOLMES . I was in the police-force, but am superannuated, and am specially employed at the Grosvenor Hotel—the prisoner was a waiter there from 9th May to 23rd June—it would not be his duty during the day to be in that part of the house where Mrs. Cox's rooms are, but every other night after 8 o'clock, up to 12.0 or 12.30—his wages were 45l. a year—he was paid monthly—he left on the 23rd, and was paid his wages.

Cross-examined. Q. I suppose other waiters waited upon Mrs. Cox? A. Certainly, there are a great many persons employed, but Mrs. Cox and her sister had a private room to themselves—one waiter attended to that part of the house up to 8.0 in the evening—one waiter has several rooms to attend to.

GUILTY . of uttering.— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-599
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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599. JAMES HOWARD (22), and ALFRED COOPER (22) , Robbery with violence on Charles Owen, and stealing a watch and chain, his property.

MR. DALY conducted the Prosecution.

CHARLES OWEN . I am a debt collector and accountant, of 40, Part Street, Dorset Square—on 19th June, about 9.0 at night, I was crossing Berwick Street, going towards Regent Circus—Howard came and took hold of my chain, and Cooper came behind me and threw me on my back—I missed my watch—my chain was hanging down—the prisoners ran away—I called "Stop thief!" and some parties went after them—I was picked up by the crowd—I found my watch on the ground—I saw the prisoner afterwards at the station, and recognized both.

Howard. Q. Did I throw your watch on the ground? A. I don't know, I was almost insensible from the fall—I don't know whether you took it or not—I know you broke the chain, the swivel was broken—the glass was not broken.

MORRIS COWLEY . I live at 10, Foley Street—about 8.30 on this evening, I was walking along Oxford Street, towards Regent Circus, and saw Cooper come behind the prosecutor and catch him by the lees—he fell, and as he fell, Howard caught him and snatched his watch and chain—they then went down a turning—I followed them, and attempted to capture them, and three or four of their friends interrupted me in every possible way—they got into a van, they were brought out from there, I was knocked down, and my lips were cut, by a blow from Cooper—I captured him at last.

WILLIAM SMITH (Police Sergeant C 1). I received Cooper in charge, and took him to the station, and Howard was afterwards brought in—I told them the charge—Cooper said he knew nothing about it—Howard said, "All right"—I repeated the charge to him a second time, and he again said, "All right."

Howard's Defence. Be as merciful as you can.

Cooper's Defence. I never used any violence.

GUILTY of assault with intent to rob .— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment each .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-600
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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600. ANNA NEMIA (29), and PETER LAMMERS (64) , unlawfully conspiring, by false pretences, to obtain money from Isaac Greatbach.

MR. LEIGH conducted the Prosecution.

WILHELMINA PANNING (interpreted). I am the wife of Johann Heinrich Panning—I did live at 30, Grove Street for a week, a year-and-a-half ago—in February, 1867, I brought an action in the County Court against Heinrich Dersen, and recovered 3l. 18s.—I employed Lammers as my agent—I have not received any money from the Court—I never gave authority to either of the prisoners to receive the money for me—Nemia told me that Hersen had paid 10s. into Court for me—she did not say she had received it; she told me that afterwards—she did not tell me she was going out of the country, but last year she made a voyage to Bremen; and when she came and told me about that, I said I wanted to go to Lammers and see about the affair—she hesitated a little, and then said, "Well, I must tell you I have fetched that money"—she then went to Bremen—I did not see Lammers again till last October, when I met him at a beer-shop in, Whitechapel—I asked him how it was about the money, for Nemia had told me she had fetched it—he told my husband and I to come to him next morning—we did so, and instead of taking us to the County Court to see about it, he took us to the house where Nemia lived, she having returned at that time—he asked us to remain outside whilst he went in—he came out and said he could not get anything—I said "Then I must go and apply somewhere else"—he said, "If you do that, I shall go and swear that you said you owed Nemia 5l., and that she kept the money for that"—being in service I did not see Lammers again till three or four weeks ago, when I saw him in the street; I spoke to him, but he would not be spoken to—I did not see him again—I went into the hospital after that, and when I came out Nemia had moved, and I could not find her.

Nemia. When I got the letter from the County Court I went with it to her house. Witness. I never saw her with the letter.

Lammers. Did you engage me as an agent, or as an interpreter? Witness. As an agent, I gave my case into your hands—it is not true that I owed Nemia 5l.; on the contrary, she owed me some money.

ISAAC GREATBACH . I am a clerk in the Whitechapel County Court, and reside at Epsom—I produce a precipe, a copy of the summons, and a plaint note—the precipe and the note are in Lammer's writing—I state that from the fact of having received many papers from him in the course of my duty—the amount claimed is 3l. 13s. for money lent, and 5s. costs—I produce the record of the judgment, it was taken by consent, costs 9s.; 10s, a fortnight instalments—both parties appeared—we did not know that the prisoner was a married woman—I produce a receipt for 10s., one instalment, on 6th February; it is signed, "Wilhelmina Panning"—I can't say who signed it—I paid that 10s. on the production of the plaint note; I should not have paid it without—the plaint note was destroyed when the last amount was paid out after being entered in the ledger—I find an entry here, on 13th February, of 3l. 18s. paid to a person signing the same name; it was paid on the production of the plaint note and tho letter that had been sent out—we should not have paid it without: that letter has also

been destroyed—the name of the plaintiff was signed in our cash book, and the money was paid out on that signature.

PORTER WILLIAM DUNAWAY (Police Sergeant H 11). I apprehended the prisoner—I saw Lammers in Great Prescott Street—I asked him if his name was Lammers—he said, "Yes"—I said, "I want to speak to you respecting getting some money from the Whitechapel County Court, a person named Nemia, living at 11, Elizabeth Street, St. George's-in-the-East, says you got the money out of the County Court—he said, "Nothing of the kind; I will go with you and see the woman"—I said, "That is what I want you to do, go with me; she is at Leman Street Police Station"—he said, "It was her that got it out; I saw her get it; I saw her sign her name and take it out"—I took him to Leman Street Station, where he again repeated, in her presence, that it was her that took it out, and that she signed her name—I said to him, "You have been employed as the interpreter or agent, you well knew she was signing her name falsely, that the money did not belong to her"—he then said he did not see her sign it, that she went into the office, and he was waiting outside, speaking to Mr. Wallis; that she came outside with the money in her hand, and she gave him 5s.; that he said, "You must give something to Mr. Wallis"; that she said, "How much?" he said, "5s.," and she gave Mr. Wallis 5s.—Wallis is one of the officers of the Court; I don't know what business he had to take anything—(MR. GREATBACH. He had no business whatever to take anything.)

Lammers. Did I tell you that I was agent or interpreter? Witness. You told me you were the interpreter, and had received the 5s. for what you did—I am positive you said you saw her sign it—you repeated it in the presence of the sergeant, as he was about taking the charge.

BENJAMIN PRIPOR (Police Sergeant H 2) I heard Lammers state that he was present when Nemia took the money and signed the book at the County Court.

The Prisoners' Statements before the Magistrate were read as follows:—Nemia says, "She says when she went to the hospital she did not know where I moved to; she knew all the while where I moved to; wishes to call Mrs. Hoyer, who does not answer." Lammers says, "Mrs. Panning and prisoner (Nemia) came to me and said, would I take out a summons for her; I said, 'Yes.' I took it out; she paid 5s. for it; I handed it to her. When the case was heard, I paid 8s. for the summons, which Panning gave me. The case was settled with 10s. a month to pay. Hersen did not pay it. She asked me to take out execution. We three went to the County Court, and took out execution, and I handed the plaint note to Panning, in presence of prisoner Some days after, Nemia met me, saying, 'Wallis has the money; it is paid into Court'. I said, 'I know it is, I was present when Wallis got it; you must go and tell her to come with the plaint note, and take the money.' I was speaking to Wallis in the passage. Nemia said, 'I can take the note.' I said, 'Well, there is the money office.' She went in, and came out with the money. I said, 'I want 5s., give Wallis 5s. too; Panning won't mind that.' I am innocent as a new-born child."

Nemia's Defence. She was in service, and could not get permission to get out, and she came and begged me, in the presence of Mrs. Hoyer, and in presence of the person where I lived, and Mr. Lammers also, to fetch the money for her. The letter which came from the County Court she had addressed to my place, so that I might get the money, and when I got it I showed it to her, and three days after I went with Lammers and fetched the

money. I took her 3l. 18s., out of which she paid me 2l. which she owed me.

Lammers repeated his statement, that he was only employed as an interpreter in the matter, and that he was not present when Nemia received the money, and did not see what the wrote.

META HOYER . The prisoner Nemia lived for eighteen months in my house, and I never saw or heard anything wrong of her—her husband was at sea twelve months, and never left her any half-pay, or anything, but she always paid her rent properly—she showed me a letter that she had from Mrs. Panning to come and see her where she was in service, and for a week she came and lodged with Nemia at my house, and Nemia paid 10s. for her—I can't say when that was—it was a good while before Nemia went to Bremen—that was in August—I recollect a letter coming from the County Court, directed to Mrs. Panning, at Nemia's—Nemia took it to her—she afterwards came, and I heard her tell Nemia to go and fetch the money from the County Court—a gentleman brought a letter in the afternoon, to go next morning and receive the money, and next morning Mrs. Panning came and fetched her out of the house, and took her up to the County Court to receive the money, and she paid me 2l. that same day—I know that Mrs. Panning owed her some money for a dress, besides the 10s. for her week's lodging.


NEW COURT.—>Tuesday, July 7th, 1868.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-601
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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601. JOHN GOODY (20) , Robbery on Thomas Hopkins, and stealing a watch, his property.

MR. DALY conducted the Prosecution; and MR. RIBTON the Defence.

THOMAS HOPKINS . I am a labourer, of 10, Stanley Place, Fulham—on 22nd May, about 1 o'clock a.m., I was in King's Road, Chelsea—I had a silver watch in my waistcoat pocket attached to a chain—I had been drinking—three men attacked me, and one of them took my watch—we had a struggle and the prisoner and I fell together—the other two ran away—this is my watch (produced).

Cross-examined. Q. Did the men come behind you? A. No, in front—I do not know which of them took my watch—I was not knocked down before it was taken—it was rather dark—I thrust out my hand and seized the prisoner by the collar—he struggled violently—a policeman came up after the others had gone—I was then on the ground, and my watch had been taken four or five minutes—I had not been on the other side of the road, this was where I was first attacked—there was only one other person in the public-house, and that was a friend of mine—he left the public-house with me—I went along the Fulham Road, and he went the other way—I sung out "Murder!" and "Police!"—the other two tried to get the prisoner away when he was on the ground.

MR. DALY. Q. Had you seen the three men before they attacked you? A. Not till they came close to me—the prisoner did not try to assist me, or to beat the others off.

THOMAS HISCOTT . I am a servant at 35, Stanley Road, Fulham—I heard a cry of "Murder! they have stole ray watch," ran across the road, and saw four men struggling—Hopkins was on the ground, struggling with

the prisoner, and the other two were trying to keep him away, but I gave a whistle, and they ran away, saying, "If we are not off we shall all be run in."

Cross-examined. Q. Were the prisoners and prosecutor on the ground together? A. Yes, when I saw them first, and when I came back with a policeman.

ALBERT BRYANT (Policeman T 263). On 22nd May, I was on duty in the King's Road, heard a cry of "Police," and found Hopkins and the prisoners struggling together, trying to turn one another over—Hopkins said, "They have taken my watch," showing me the socket where it was torn out—the prisoner said, "For God's sake do not take me, I shall lose my job"—Hopkins had a chain.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you find the watch? A. No, T 71 found it, pawned.

GEORGE UPPENDALE . I am assistant to Mr. Craney—I produce a silver watch, pawned on 10th May, for 10s., in the name of Allen—I do not know by whom.

MR. RIBTON. to THOMAS HOPKINS. Q. Did not you say before the Magistrates, "I cannot swear the prisoner was in company with the other two men, I was too much in liquor?" A. Yes.

MR. DALY. Q. Was the prisoner with them when the attack was made? A. I believe so, because I saw no one else about—this is my watch, I can swear I had it when I left the public-house.

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-602
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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602. ROBERT DOWDELL (23) , Unlawfully obtaining by false pretences three bags and one portmanteau, of Herman Max.

MR. WOOD conducted the prosecution.

HERMAN MAX . I am a merchant, of 45, Aldermanbury—on 25th June, the prisoner came to my warehouse—I had known him previously as clerk to Shipley & Co.—he said, "I come from Shipley & Co., I want some samples of traveling bags, because we have a customer waiting to give an order"—I let him have three bags, worth 8s. or 10s. each—he took them away—I also showed him some portmanteaus—I saw Shipley & Co. the next day.

Prisoner. Did I tell you I would bring them back on Monday? Witness. You said, "We have a customer waiting, you can leave them till Monday, as we have another customer coming to-morrow who will very likely give another order"—I wished you to take more than three, because I thought you were in the employ.

HENRY SMITH . I am in Mr. Max's employ—I saw the prisoner look at the bags, and next morning, 24th June, he came again, and said, "I have come for that large portmanteau Mr. Max showed me last night"—I gave it to him, and he said, "You can tell Mr. Max that I called"—he did not my that morning, that he called from Shipley's—I heard him say, on the previous day, that he had come for the best bags we had in stock, and said, "I will take three, and very likely I shall be able to get you an order tomorrow morning; I come from Shipley's."

CHARLES SHIPLEY . I carry on business as Shipley & Co., at 15, Old Compton Street, Soho—the prisoner was in my service, and left about two months ago—he was not in my service on 25th and 26th June—I did not give him authority to select bags or portmanteaus for me.

WILLIAM RICKMAN (Policeman C 64). On Saturday, 27th June, I was called to Mr. Shipley's, and saw Mr. Max there, who said, in the prisoner's presence, "This man has been obtaining goods from me under the pretence that they were for Shipley & Co."—the prisoner said, "Yes, I had the goods; if you will go with me, I will get you the money for them"—Mr. Max said, "No"—I said that if I went with him Mr. Max must give him in custody—I found the goods pledged at Cox's, and at Attenborough's—he said that he had destroyed the duplicates.

Prisoner's Defence. I had been to see if I could get some money, and was to be paid next day. I went to Mr. Max, and asked if he had samples of leather bags; but he must have known that I had left Shipley's. I pawned them because I had not sufficient for what I required. I should have gone to him on Monday, and told him I had not got the money, but would pay him as soon as possible.

GUILTY of obtaining the bags only. Recommended to mercy by the Jury and Prosecutors .— Four Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-603
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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603. WILLIAM ROFFEY (21) , Stealing twenty-five yards of serge, of George William Wheatley and another.

MR. GRIFFITHS conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM KEVEL . I am a porter, in the employ of Messrs. Wheatley, carriers, of 33, St Paul's Churchyard—on 12th June, we received this parcel from the porter of Stephen Evans & Co., Old Change, at 6.45—we put it on a shelf just inside the front door, and missed it in about five minutes—I had put it on the floor by the door, for the Midland man to collect—I know it by marks on the paper—I missed it about 6.50.

SAMUEL LYTHAL (City Policeman 169). On Friday evening, 12th June, a little before 7 o'clock, I met the prisoner with this parcel under his arm, containing twenty-five yards of blue serge—I asked him where he got it—he said he found it in Old Change—the value is 3l. 12s.; I have the bill of it—I saw him tear the address off it.

GUILTY .— Nine Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-604
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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604. THOMAS HOWARD (21) , Robbery, with others, on Bennett Mason Martin, and stealing a watch, a chain, and a locket, his property.

MESSRS. COLLINS and MOODY conducted the Prosecution; and MESSRS. DALT and PATER the Defence.

BENNETT MASON MARTIN . I live at 1, Lamb's College, Monkwell Street—on 10th June, between 4.0 and 5.0, I was in Church Street, Shoreditch—I had a watch, a gold Albert chain, and a locket—two men ran against me at the corner of a street, and the prisoner turned into the street and rounded me—he struck me on the chest, put his hand on my chain, and with great violence tore it away from my waistcoat—both watch and chain went—I am sure the prisoner is the man—he ran away with the watch in his hand—I called, "Stop thief!" and followed him, but two men behind struck me, and tripped me up, and I was completely crippled—I told a policeman—I was sent for to the station on the 17th—I was shown eight people, in a room, and asked if I could identify anyone—I picked out the prisoner directly.

Cross-examined by MR. DALY. Q. What street did this happen in? A. At the corner of Turville Street—he rushed very suddenly on me—I had never seen him before—I was very much surprised and agitated—it

was nearly 4.30—I had been to Fore Street—I was nearly half an hour getting from there to Church Street, Cripplegate—I had not stopped on the way—I was going from home—the clock struck 4 as I went along Fore Street; I left home about 3.55—a policeman took me to the station; he did not tell me that he had got the man in custody; the message sent was, that I was wanted at the station—I knew why I was wanted—the prisoner had no coat on, in the room; the other persons had coats on, and were dressed in the ordinary way.

MR. COLLINS. Q. Had he a coat on when he robbed you? A. Yes—he had a good tug at my watch, and I had the opportunity of looking at his face—the chain was fastened through three button-holes, and I think he must have broken the key off.

DAVID ISTED (Policeman HR 54). I heard of the robbery on 10th June, and received a description—on the 17th, I met the prisoner in Church Street, and told him he was accused of stealing a watch from the person—he said, "Not me, I know nothing at all about it"—I said, "I shall take you to the station-house"—I took him there, and placed him with eight others—the inspector called the prosecutor in, and he said, "That is the man, I will swear to him from a thousand"—he said, "I did not do it, but I know who did do it"—that was after he was charged—he lives about a hundred yards from the corner of Turville Street.

Cross-examined by MR. PATER. Q. Did he not say, "I did not do it; I was not there?" A. He did not—the prosecutor and the inspector were present—the inspector is not here—there was no remand before the Magistrate, the attorney did not ask for one—no evidence was offered for the defence.

JOHN NEIL (Policeman H 141). On 10th June I was on duty, in the afternoon, in Church Street, in plain clothes, and Martin described a man who had robbed him.

Cross-examined by MR. PATER. Q. Did you give evidence before the Magistrate, on the 18th? A. Yes.

Witnesses for the Defence.

JOHN BLUNDELL FRANCIS . I live at 31, Augustine Road, Gravesend, and am a professor of music—on 10th June I was at the Phoenix Tavern—I left it about 2.40—I saw the prisoner there, with others—I served him with some porter, or half-and-half, and received the money from him—having a pupil in the house, I occasionally go into the bar to assist the landlord—the prisoner asked me if we could cook him some chops—I gave them to the servant, and my friend's wife said, "Tell him he will have to pay 2d. each person for cooking them"—I said, "I have nothing to do with that; I will leave that to you"—they were not cooked, and the prisoner and his friends left before me, about 2.20—I afterwards saw the prisoner at the Canal Tavern—I recognized him as one of the persons I saw at the Phoenix, and called the landlord's attention to him—I am quite certain he is one of the persons I served at the Phoenix—he is a perfect stranger to me—I have been subpoenaed to come here.

Cross-examined by MR. MOODY. Q. When were you served with a subpoena to attend here as a witness? A. On Friday, I was then living in the same house in Augustine Road—I did not tell the prisoner my name and address; but I was asked by a party, whose name I do not know, whether I remembered some persons coming down to Gravesend on the 10th

I cannot tell how long that was before last Friday—it was on a Sunday, and I think it was Sunday fortnight.

COURT. Q. What are you going to look at? A. At a memorandum—I teach the person's daughter music, and I commenced giving her tuition the following morning—I made this entry the following morning—that would be June 21st.

MR. MOODY. Q. I understand you have never seen him again till to-day? A. Not from the 10th till to-day—I regularly attend at the Phoenix Tavern—I only attend in the bar when my friend is a little busy—I go there every morning—I have one pupil—I give an hour's lesson—not every day; but I am there every day—I do teaching and tuning—it was not till 21st June any reference was made to me about this matter—I was simply asked if I remembered it—it occurred on a Wednesday, and this was last Wednesday three weeks: it was the day of the rifle volunteers going for practice, and I was going with my friend who was a member of the corps; and, passing the Canal Tavern, I saw the prisoner—that was the last I saw of him, at 3.20, because we generally get to the range at 4 o'clock.

COURT. Q. Had you ever seen the prisoner before? A. No; but my attention was directed to him on account of his paying—the stranger who came down to me said, "Do you recollect seeing certain persons come down to the Phoenix to have refreshment?"—I said, "When?"—he said, "Some time ago, five or six of them"—he said, "What did you think of them?"

Q. Did he say "Some time ago?" A. No; he spoke of the date—he asked me if I recollected certain persons coming on the Wednesday to have refreshment—I said, "Yes"—he said, "Did you notice anything particular?" I said, "No"—he said, "Nothing whatever?"—I said, "Yes; there were two women and three or four men"—he said, "Did you notice anyone particular?"—I said, "Only the one that paid me"—he said, "Did you notice anything particular about him?"—I said, "No"—he said, "Should you know him again?"—I said, "I think I should"—he said, "Did he order?"—I said, "Yes"—he said, "Who paid?"—I said, "He did; he ordered some chops and wanted them cooked."

Q. Do not talk about the chops, we are talking about what the man said to you? A. No more than could I swear to the man again, and I said, "I believe I can"—he went away, and afterwards came down again and said, "I want to subpoena you"—I do not know who he was, but he brought a subpoena for me to come up and give evidence—I have never seen the prisoner from 10th June till I came into Court—until I came into Court I did not know who I was to see; I had not seen him in the interval—I took notice of him; this is the person who ordered the beer and who paid me—the Canal Tavern is 300 yards from the Phoenix, and half a mile from the nearest steam-boat pier for London, and nearly three-quarters of a mile from the railway station, I should imagine.

HARRIETT BRIDGE . I am married, and live at the Canal Tavern, Gravesend—I was there on 10th June, in the afternoon when five or six people came in to have some chops—it was after 3 o'clock—the prisoner is one of them—I had not seen him before, and not between then and now—I am sure he was there that day, because it was my washing day, and my fire was out; I had to light a fire to cook the chops; and my husband was ill—I am certain it was Wednesday, 10th June—when I took in the last pot of beer I said, "Who is going to pay for it?" and he gave me a 2s. piece—my little boy was there: he is here—several females were there, I do not know their

names—that female was one of the party (Hannah Eames)—I dare say they were there an hour and a half, because I had to light a fire to cook the chops; and they had three or four pots of beer—I should think it was 4.30 when they left.

Cross-examined by MR. MOODY. Q. Had you ever seen the man before or since, till this minute? A. No—I was spoken to about this matter last Sunday fortnight, by the prisoner's father—I had not known him before—he asked me if I remembered anyone coming in with some chops—I said, "I do"—he said on what day—he said, "My son has been taken for a robbery when he was down here," and he wanted to know whether I should know him.

COURT. Q. Whether you knew his son, who was a perfect stranger; how came you to say "Yes"? A. But he had a scar; he asked me whether I noticed a particular scar, and whether I noticed a tall one—I said, "Yes," and that he had a quartern of port wine with the lady who has just gone out—he had money, and the others had not; and he was dressed more particularly—he said, "My son has been taken for a robbery; should you know any one of those who were at the house?"—he mentioned the day, Wednesday.

MR. MOODY. Q. Did he mention the day of the month? A. No, he only said "Wednesday," and I looked at the almanack—he did not say "Wednesday week," or ask me if anybody bad been down on the last Wednesday before he saw me—he did not say, Wednesday, June 10th, he only asked me if I knew the date—he said, "Some persons who were here on Wednesday," without saying what Wednesday—I think he described the height and appearance of his son—he said what complexion he was, and the color of his hair; I do not think he said anything about whiskers—I am certain it was past 3 o'clock—there were five or six of the party, and two or three were females—they had three or four pots of beer, and the chops, and this young man and a woman had some port wine after the others had gone out—the prisoner is the only one who paid me.

MR. PATER. Q. I suppose the father described to you the appearance of his son? A. Yes; and then asked me it I should know him—it was in consequence of the description the father gave me that I recognized him—I am sure it was Wednesday—I myself looked at the almanack to see the date—my boy is fourteen years old—I kept him at home because his father was ill in bed.

COURT. Q. At what time did they leave? A. At a little before 5.0, I think—I never saw Francis, the professor of music, before they brought him down—I did not see him in my house on Wednesday, the 10th; if he was there, and saw the prisoner, I did not see him—the Rifle Rangers came past our door; the master told me to come and see them pass, but I did not see them—until I came into Court to give my evidence, I had no notion who I was to see—he might or might not have been the person I was thinking about—I have never seen him before or since.

JAMES BRIDGE . I live with my mother, at the Canal Tayorn—on Wednesday, 10th June, I saw the prisoner there, in front of the bar—I know it was the 10th, from the book; I saw my mother look at the almanack—I was there the whole time the prisoner was there, about two hours, and had much opportunity of seeing him—he had friends with him; they had some pork chops—I have not seen him since, till now—I am quite certain I have seen him before,

Cross-examined by MR. MOODY. Q. How do you say that it was Wednesday, June 10th? A. Because I looked at the almanack; my mother told me to do so—she said, "Jim, look at the almanack;" that was to find the day of the month on Wednesday—it was the 10th—I said, "I have found it," and she said, "All right"—I was alone with her—that is how I remember that it was the 10th June that I saw the prisoner—my mother had not said a word to me about this young man being there—I have had a little conversation with her about what I was coming up to London for—the said, "Come up to the trial of Thomas Howard"—I did not know his name when he was at the Canal Tavern; I heard it afterwards—I saw his father—he said nothing to me about it; I heard him talk to my mother about it—he asked her if she knew anything about his son; and she asked him some questions—he described what kind of a young man he was—they left the house about 5.15.

COURT. Q. Do you recollect who was there on the Wednesday before that, the 3rd? A. No; nor who was there on Wednesday, 17th June, nor on Wednesday, 24th June—I recollect this because I waited on them—I waited on customers on other Wednesdays—I remember this Wednesday, because such a lot of them came in.

HANNAH EAMES . I keep company with the prisoner—I was out with him on 10th June—we went to Gravesend—we went down by rail, and got down about 3 o'clock—we left Gravesend at 5.15—I am certain of that—we had dinner at the Canal Tavern—we and the others had been to another house previously, I do not know the name of it.

Cross-examined. Q. There were several others with you, who were they? A. Friends who went with us, seven of us altogether—they were not particular friends, I had seen them before, but do not know their names; they said they were going, and they went in the same train with us—I am, I believe, the only one of the party who is here—I know quite well that it was the 10th June—I am certain it was not the 8th or the 9th—it was not the 3rd—I know it was the 10th, because I went to get a shawl out of pledge to go into the country with—I occasionally have to do that—I have seen none of the people since who were with us, we saw them at the railway station—I do not know where they live.

COURT. Q. Did you come back by the train? A. No, we went to the Hundreds of Hoo, and walked back to London, and got back on Sunday night, because we could not pay our expenses—we came home together, and the prisoner went to his mother's—I remained with him till he was taken—I do not live with him, I work for his mother.

GUILTY.**He was further charged with having been before convicted at Clerkenwell, in October, 1864, of stealing cloth, to which he Pleaded Guilty, but stated that he was afterwards pardoned by the Secretary of State.— Eighteen Month's Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-605
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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605. JOHN CRONIN (25) , Stealing a pair of boots of William Carthy, from his person.

MR. WARTON conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN WHATMORE (Policeman H 198). On 16th June, I was in Dock Street, about 1.45 in the morning, and saw some persons there, the prisoner was one of them—Dock Street is near tho Sailors' Home, in Wellclose Square—I saw Carthy lying down drunk—I was on the opposite side of the way, and I saw the prisoner stoop down and pull the boots off Carthy's feet, and walk

away with another man, the prisoner carrying them—I followed them—two of the men ran away, and when the prisoner came to Providence Court he chucked the boots up the court—he saw me following and ran away—I ran after him, and caught him—I struggled with him a good deal, and he threw me down and came on top of me—I got him to the station with a good deal of trouble—he said he was not the man who had them—I went back and met a constable bringing the boots to the station—I saw them pulled off his feet.

WILLIAM CARTHY . I live at Russell Court, Minories—on the night of 16th June I was very drunk—these boots are mine—they were shown to me at the station—I did not know they were taken off—the prisoner is not a friend of mine—I know nothing of what happened.

GUILTY.** Three Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-606
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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606. HENRY DUNNING (15), and JOHN TAYLOR (16) , Feloniously forging and uttering an order for the delivery of goods, with intent to defraud, to which DUNNING PLEADED GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Imprisonment .

MR. POLAND conducted the Prosecution; MR. BROOKE defended Taylor.

WILLIAM HENRY DONNELL . I am an assistant to Messrs. Shoolbred & Co., of Tottenham Court Road—on 20th April, Dunning came there and obtained some patterns for Mrs. Cates—he took them away, and returned the same afternoon, about 3.30, and produced this request—he was then supplied with fifteen yards of black silk, and fifteen of blue, value 10l. or 11l.—I believed it was a genuine order from Mrs. Cates—I have been in the habit of supplying her with goods—she is a milliner, and a customer well known to us—this (produced) is the silk.

SOPHIA CATES . I am a milliner, of 70, Baker Street—Taylor was in my service about twelve months ago—this order is not written by me or by my authority—I authorized no one to go to Shoolbred's and get silk for me.

Cross-examined. Q. How long has Taylor left your employment? A. Twelve months—I was in the habit of dealing with Shoolbred's at that time, and also with Marshall & Snellgrove—I cannot say that I ever sent Taylor to Shoolbred's with any money—I know very little about it—my niece transacts all my business, she is here.

EMMA SLATTER . I am a niece of the last witness, and assist her in the business, at 70, Baker Street—Taylor was formerly in our service for a few months about a year ago, as errand boy—I know nothing of this order.

Cross-examined. Q. I suppose you deal with other parties besides Shoolbred's? A. Yes—during the time Taylor was with us he was sent with orders to different houses—I have no doubt we sent him to Shoolbred's.

MR. POLAND. Q. Would he know your course of business? A. Yes.

JOSEPH KING . I am schoolmaster at the House of Correction, Coldbath Fields—I have seen Taylor write repeatedly, and am acquainted with his writing—the writing on this order is of the same character, and is like his writing.

Cross-examined. Q. How long is it since you saw him write? A. He was committed on the 2nd September, 1867, and was under my charge for three or four weeks—he left me in 1867—I have a great number of boys under my charge—I have not compared the order with any of his writing.

MR. POLAND. Q. Used you to teach him to write? A. Yes, and saw him write continually.

TOM BINFIELD . I am schoolmaster at the Philanthropic Society's school, at Redhill—I know Taylor, I taught him to write—I feel quite certain that this request is in his writing—he was discharged in 1866, but I have seen him since—I have not a shadow of a doubt about the writing.

HENRY DAWSON (Policeman C R 12). I took Taylor on 5th June, in Little Pulteney Street—I said, "Taylor, I want you for forging an order which Dunning put off"—he said, "My name is not Taylor, it is Scully"—I said, "You forged the orders, and got Dunning to put them off"—he said, "You will have to prove that; I cannot write"—I said, "I shall produce persons who can say it is done in your writing"—he said, "You won't do that"—I said, "Dunning says that you did it"—he said, "Dunning can say what he likes, you must prove it"—I asked him if he knew Mrs. Cates—he said, "Yes, I know her, I worked for her, I never did anything while I was with her, and that she can prove"—I have seen Taylor in company with Dunning during March and April, with two or three other boys.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you had the investigation of this case? A. Yes—other persons have been charged, and have been discharged by the Magistrate—a reward of 20l. was offered for Dunning's apprehension—I have not tested Taylor's writing, except by calling Mr. King, and I thought that quite sufficient.

MR. POLAND. Q. Was the woman whom the Magistrate discharged the person who pawned the silk? A. Yes—I do not know where she is now—I have been looking for her ever since.

HENRY COTTERELL . I am assistant to Mr. Broughton, a pawnbroker, of Leicester Square—on 20th April, about 4.0 or 4. 30, a woman brought me this silk (produced), to pledge in the name of Mary Smith—I refused to take it, and gave her in custody.

Cross-examined. Q. Was she taken before a Magistrate, at Marlborough Street, and discharged? A. Yes.

MR. BROOKE called:

HENRY DUNNING (The prisoner). I have pleaded guilty to this charge—I have known the boy Taylor several Years—I have never seen him write—he did not give me this order—he had nothing to do with the silk or the proceeds—I wrote this order myself—I never said to Dawson, the Policeman, that Taylor had written it—a reward of 20l. was offered for me, and No. 1 ER took me.

Cross-examined by MR. POLAND. Q. When you were taken, did you say that your name was not Dunning, but Walter Grimes? A. Yes—I have known Taylor since he was six or seven years old—I have never been with him when he has been to Mr. Coles' to get goods—I wrote this order, and I can write another now, but not with a quill pen. (The witness wrote a fresh order from MR. POLAND'S dictation, which was handed to the Jury to compare with the original.)—I wrote this "John Taylor," in pencil, in Shoolbred's shop—I do not write different hands—one order is not Taylor, and the other Tailor, both are Taylor—I know Mr. King—I have been with these orders to Peter Robinson's, and Marshall & Snellgrove's—a boy named Sam Barham told me the way in which Mr. Coles was in the habit of getting his goods—I never had a conversation with Taylor about Mr. Coles—Barham was in his service six or seven months ago—we called Taylor "Sculley"—I

wrote "John Taylor" to this order, because it was the first name that came into my head.

COURT. Q. Was anybody with you when you wrote it? A. No; I wrote it in Miss Smith's room, the woman who pawned the goods.

MR. POLAND to H. DAWSON. Q. Repeat the very words Dunning used, when you took him, about Taylor? A. He cross-examined Miss Coles, in the Court, if she knew a boy named Tom Taylor—she said that she did not know much about it, she might have had such a boy; and Miss. Slatter refreshed her memory, and said "We had such a boy"—Dunning then said, "Taylor wrote the orders and gave them to me"—they then went on to other evidence—I did not hear the name of Barwell mentioned then; it is Barham.

MR. POLAND. to EMMA SLATTER Q. Had you a boy In your service named Barham? A. Biron, I knew him as—I know nothing against him; he did not leave for any improper reason.

MR. BROOKE. Q. Was Dunning apprehended till after the other persons were discharged by the Magistrate? A. No—six or seven adjournments took place—I saw you there, and Mr. Wood, two or three times.

MR. POLAND. Q. Was Dunning taken on 18th May? A. Yes; and Taylor on 5th June—I was looking for Taylor before I heard what Dunning said.

TAYLOR— GUILTY . He was further charged with having been before convicted, in July, 1867, at Clerkenwell, to which he PLEADED GUILTY.** Twelve Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-607
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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607. JAMES SCOTT (30), PLEADED GUILTY** to burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Henry Rutherford, and stealing there in one shawl and other articles, his property, having been before convicted.— Ten Years' Penal Servitude .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-608
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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608. JAMES CONNELL (17). and PATRICK QUINLAN (22), Stealing one watch and chain of Ludwig Wendt from his person, Connell having been previously convicted, to which Connell PLEADED GUILTY . Eighteen Months' Imprisonment .

MR. BRINDLEY conducted the Prosecution.

LUDWIG WENDT . I am a farrier, of 5, Garter Court, Barbican—on Saturday night, June 7, about 9.45 o'clock, I was in Bartholomew Close with my wife—Connell came up from behind, snatched my watch and chain from my pocket, and ran off—I caught him by his shoulder, but he escaped, and I was knocked down; I do not know who by, but I believe Quinlan is the man—I got up and followed close to Connell—I went into Jews' Court, and found him in custody—he was taken to the station—the bar of the chain and the bow of the watch were found near the spot—they are mine—my watch was worth 4l. 10s., and my chain 3l. 10l.—I have not seen them since—the man who I believe is Quintan stood at the side, as Connell was running away, and gave me a blow on my chest—I staggered, and he gave me another blow on my back, and knocked me down—I saw three other men there.

ELIZABETH WENDT . I was with my husband, and saw five men on the pavement—Connell is one of them—he crossed to me, and I thought he was going to take a parcel which I had in my hand—I held it tight—when my husband was robbed they stood to keep me back—I said, "Oh dear! what

is the matter?"—I did not say that I belonged to him, or they would have kept me longer—they ran off in another direction.

SAMUEL LIDDALL (City Policeman, 169). I was in Jewin Street, heard cries of "Stop thief," and saw Quinlan running towards me—I endeavoured to stop him, but missed my hold—he put out his right foot and threw me down, and I cut my trousers across the knees, and grazed my shin, and he got away—he was calling "Stop thief," but there was no one before him—when I got up I saw Connell, he was also calling "Stop thief,"—I stopped him, and asked him what he was running for—he said, "Nothing"—the prosecutor came, and said that he had lost his watch and chain, and Donnell was the man who snatched them from his waistcoat—Connell made no reply—I took him to the station—on the next day, Sunday, I had a conversation with him in his cell, and from the statement he made to me I went to 25 or 27, Norfolk Gardens, Shoreditch, with two other officers—we went to a room on the first floor back, and found Quinlan in bed—I said that I was an officer, and wanted him—he wanted to know what for—I told him to dress himself, and I would tell him afterwards—he dressed himself, and I told him he would be charged with being concerned with another in robbing a gentleman of his watch in the city on Saturday night—he said, "It looks very suspicious that I should be taken out of my bed"—this was a little before 5 on Monday morning—I was in Gracechurch Street en the night of the robbery, about 7 o'clock, and I saw the prisoners together with two others—I followed them into Bishopsgate Street, and left them going towards Shoreditch—I believe Quinlan saw me.

Quinlan. You came to my house, knocked at the door, and said, "Carrots, I want you." Witness. I believe I did; that is the name you are known by—you did not say, "My name is not Carrots," you must be mistaken—I am quite sure it was you.

PHILI HINDS (Policeman F 169). I know the prisoners; they are daily companions.

Quintan. You never saw me before.

JAMES KENNISTON (Policeman F 324). I was on duty in Bartholomew Close, on Sunday morning, and found the bow of a watch, and the bar of a chain, and a locket (produced)—Wendt identified them.

LUDWIG WENDT (re-examined). These are my property.

QUINLAN— GUILTY.** Nine Months' Imprisonment .

OLD COURT.—Wednesday, July 8th, 1868.

Before the Lord Chief Justice Bovill.

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-609
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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609. ROBERT SHORT WATERS , was indicted for embezzling and stealing an order for the payment of 165l. 2s., which he had received on account of the Earl of Shaftesbury, his master; also, for embezzling other orders for 137l. 8s. 7d., 273l., 612l., 27l. 13s. 7d., 161l., 130l. 12s. 6d. amd the sums of 8803l., 671l. 16s. 2d., 667l. 16s. 3d., 2432l. 8d. 8d., and 1122l. 4s. 11d. received on account of his said master; also, for obtaining, by false pretences, an order for 27l. 13s. 7 d.

Upon all these indictments MR. GIFFARD. Q.C., for the Prosecution, offered no evidence.


6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-610
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment

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610. ARTHUR FORESTER SMITH (14), and HECTOR AUGUSTUS SMITH (12), were indicted for feloniously wounding Mary Ann Nunn, with intent to do her grievous bodily harm. Second Count—With intent to disable. Third Count—To maim. Fourth Count—To resist and prevent their lawful apprehension and detainer.

MESSRS. POLAND and BESLEY conducted the Prosecution; and MR. COLLINS

the Defence.

After the Jury were charged, and the prosecutrix partially examined, MR. COLLINS said that he could not resist a verdict upon the second and fourth Counts; and upon the prisoners' stating, in the hearing of the Jury, that they were GUILTY upon those Counts, the Jury found a Verdict accordingly .

The prosecutrix recommended the prisoners to mercy.

A. F. SMITH— Seven Years' Penal Servitude .

H. A. SMITH— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-611
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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611. ELIZABETH WOOD (28) , Feloniously casting and throwing at Maria Johnson a large quantity of nitric acid, with intent to do her grievous bodily harm. Second Count—With intent to burn her.

MR. DALY conducted the Prosecution; and MR. RIBTON the Defence.

MARIA JOHNSON . I live at the Rose and Crown public-house, in Wentworth Street—on 1st July, between 5.0 and 6.0 in the afternoon, I was sprinkling the bar with water, the weather being warm—a few drops went on the face of a man who was lying on the pavement, just outside the door, on the step—I don't know whether he was asleep; he might be in a fox's sleep—he said, "All right, Mrs. Johnson," and got up and went away—the prisoner came up, and abused me very much—we have a book in which we put down the lodging account, as we keep a lodging-house as well as a public-house; and she said, if she had a knife as long as that, she would rip me open—she threw the book at me, and then she threw some kind of liquid at me; I don't know what it was—I went to a doctor—this is the dress I was wearing at the time (producing it)—when she threw it, I stooped, and it went over my skirt; it burnt that, and my finger—she said the meant to take the color out of my face, for I had been in the house four years, and I still held the same color—the man that I had sprinkled with water came and pulled her out of the place—she had been in the house drinking, about five minutes before.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you ever said, before to-day, that she said the meant to take the color out of your face? A. Yes, I said it before the Magistrate (The witness' deposition, being read, did not contain that statement.)—I stated it to the Magistrate when I applied for a summons, but not when the deposition was taken—I know Catherine Rouse—she was not in the house at the time; there was no one in the house but Mr. Johnson and myself—I did not throw water over the man—the prisoner said, "Don't drown a poor fellow like that; you would not like water thrown over yourself"—I did not reply, "He must be a fancy man of yours, or you would not take his part, you great big carrotty w——;" I swear that—I called her a liar when she said I had drowned the man—she did not say, "He is no fancy man of mine; I have only one, that is quite sufficient, and that is my husband"—I am aware that Mrs. Rouse stated all this before the Magistrate—there was a china vase there—there was nothing in it but two shirt-buttons—it has been there ever since I have been in the house; it is used to put flowers in, if you like—I have not been in the habit of keeping vitriol in it—we have no vitriol in the house; I don't use it for cleaning—I

have never kept vitriol in that vase—I did not catch hold of the prisoner, she caught hold of me—there was no woman there; there was a man on the other side of the bar, who is here as a witness—I applied to the Magistrate for a summons next morning, and he granted a warrant—I have not given any one in charge before for an assault; Mr. Johnson has, I have not—I was insulted once, and I did not appear—I can't tell how long ago that was; it might be twelve months—I had my face scratched by a woman, and she got three days, and was fined 5s.—I appeared against her—I know Dunaway, the policeman—I remember his case; a man brought a bottle to the house, and he was given in charge, but I did not appear, as I could not swear to the man; that was the only reason.

WILLIAM TAYLOR . I live at the Rose and Crown—I was there on Wednesday night, 1st July, standing at the bar—I saw Mrs. Johnson sprinkling water about—this lady (the prisoner) came into the bar and abused Mrs. Johnson; and called her everything she could think of, in very abusive language—Mrs. Johnson said, "What is this for, I don't understand what you mean?"—she said, "Oh, I will let you know what I mean"—she took a vase off the mantlepiece, and threw it at Mrs. Johnson, and after that she took a bottle out of her bosom, and threw it at her—it was a bottle with some sort of burning stuff inside—Mrs. Johnson leant on one side, and through that it escaped her face; the remainder of it went on her dress, and burnt holes in it.

Cross-examined. Q. How is it you did not appear before the Magistrate? A. I was not called upon—I am a linendraper by trade—I have been out of a situation about twelve months, from business being slack—I have been having jobs of different sorts during that time, anything I could get hold of to get a crust of bread—I am in a situation now, at Mr. Prior's, in Aldersgate Street, I went there last Friday—I have been lodging at Mr. Johnson's about three years—I was in the house on this occasion, by the door that leads to the bar—I was first asked to come here last Monday, Mrs. Johnson asked me to come and state what I saw.

WILLIAM BOWTON STIRLING . I am a surgeon—I was called in to see Mrs. Johnson, and saw her dress—I should say nitric acid had been thrown on it—the injury to the finger was caused by the same acid, it was just stained, it must have been washed off directly—had it gone into the eyes it would have been very serious.

Cross-examined. Q. Is nitric acid used for cleaning plate, and things of that kind? A. I believe so, it is used for testing plate.

NATHAN NICHOLAS (Policeman H 36). I apprehended the prisoner—I said to her, "Margaret, are you aware there is a warrant out against you for assaulting Mrs. Johnson, by throwing vitriol over her"—she said, "I am aware of it."

The Prisoner't Statement before the Magistrate. I expect there was something in the vase, I had nothing in my hand, where was I to get it?

MR. RIBTON called the following witnesses for the Defence.

CATHERINE ROUSE . I live at 7, Flower and Dean Street—on the day in question, I was standing outside Mrs. Johnson's public-house—there was a man there, inside the house, he was outside the door—I saw Mrs. Johnson throw some water on him—the prisoner said to her, "Don't throw the water on this man, you would not like it yourself"—as far as I know the prisoner and the man were strangers—I did not notice whether Mrs. Johnson was

behind the bar—there is a counter, but it is very narrow—Mrs. Johnson said to the prisoner, "He must be some fancy man of yours, or else you would not have taken his part"—the prisoner said, "I have got no fancy man, I have only got one man, and that is my husband"—Mrs. Johnson deliberately turned round and called her a b——carrotty wh——; then they were both as bad almost as one another, calling one another name—there was a vase on the corner of the mantlepiece, just projecting over the counter—the prisoner was leaning like that, and somehow accidentally the vase got knocked down, and whatever was in it came on Mrs. Johnson's dress—the prisoner had nothing in her hand—I had seen that vase in the house several times, and I have seen Mrs. Johnson take some stuff out of it to try things with; she knows what I mean—trying stolen property that she has bought—I don't know what articles she has tried, but I have seen her take a little phial out of the vase and take it into the back parlour to try them—I have not seen the articles—after this, Mrs. Johnson had a little leather reticule in her hand, and she made two strikes at the prisoner with it—she struck her, and Mr. Johnson struck her twice with a cloth that he was wiping the counter with—I said, "Don't do that, you will knock the woman's eye out," and he said, "You be so-and-so, I will do it to you"—I persuaded the prisoner to leave, and she did—I saw Mrs. Johnson and the prisoner on the Friday afternoon after this, talking together, and they drank out of the same glass; and Mrs. Johnson said, "You have apologized to me like a lady, and I would not prosecute you only for Mr. Johnson"—I persuaded him all I could not to let me go up—I saw Elizabeth Mason there, she was outside the house, not inside, she could see what took place.

Cross-examined. Q. How do you get your living? A. By needle-work—I am single—I was working a chemise at this time—I have been in trouble; it is best known to myself how often; not knowing, can't say—I don't know what it was for—the vase was on the mantlepiece close to the counter, as close as I am to the jury—there is a fire-place but I never saw any fire in it—the vase was upset by the prisoner accidentally—Mrs. Johnson threw the water over the man from inside the bar—he was just outside the door, and she threw it over the bar—it is no good you cross examining me, for I sha'n't answer you.

ELIZABETH MASON . I live at 14, George Yard—on the day this happened I was going along the street with the prisoner, and Mrs. Johnson was throwing water on a man who was lying outside, asleep—the prisoner said, "What a shame, you will drown the man"—Mrs. Johnson said, "He is a man of your's"—the prisoner said, "No, he is no man of mine; I have got one; that is enough, that is my husband"—Mrs. Johnson called her a carotty wh——the prisoner then went inside, and what occurred there I can't say, for I did not go in—she had nothing in her hand when I saw her—two moments previously she asked me if I had any money—I said, "No"—she said "I have none," and turned her pocket inside out, and she had nothing but the key of her door—she had no phial there—I gave my evidence before the Magistrate.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you been in trouble? A. No; I have never been convicted—I was charged with buying a coat, but the prosecutor did not appear, and I was discharged—I was had up once before that—I did not see what was transacted inside the house—Mrs. Johnson was just inside the doorway when she threw the water over the man—she was at the door, with

one foot on the doorway and the other on the pavement—I am sure she was in that position when she threw the water on the man.

MR. RIBTON to MARIA JOHNSON. Q. About ten months ago did you charge a man with obtaining money by false pretences: remember, Dunaway is in court? Q. Yes; that was about the bottle that I spoke of—the man did not say to me, "If you go on with this charge I will tell all I know about you; I have often sold you stolen property"—he said it to a girl that was living with me, and she told me—I did not know whether he was the man, and I asked the girl, and she said "It is very hard to say; he says if you go on with it he will do something"—I did not hear anything about stolen property—I did not prosecute him because I could not swear to him—that was the only reason my house has never beta searched—no charge has ever been made against me about stolen property.

GUILTY on Second Count.— Twelve Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-612
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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613. PATRICK DALEY (27), and JOHN FINNIGAN (34) , Rape on Mary Ann Ellis.

MR. DALY, for the Prosecution, offered no evidence.— NOT GUILTY .

NEW COURT.—Wednesday, July 8th, 1868.

Before Mr. Recorder.

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-614
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614. EDWARD BANNISTER CALLOW (43) , Feloniously forging and uttering an order for the payment of 175l., with intent to defraud.

MESSRS. GIFFARD. Q.C., and POLAND conducted the Prosecution. MR. SLEIGH appeared for the Prisoner; and, at the close of the case for the Prosecution stated, that having carefully watched the evidence, he was unable to resist it; and therefore, under his advice, the Prisoner would PLEAD GUILTY. The Jury therefore found a verdict of GUILTY . Recommended to mercy by the Prosecution.—Five Years' Penal Servitude .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-615
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615. JOHN COLLIS (24), and HENRY GEORGE HUNT (18) , Robbery on Henry William Brock, and stealing from his person a watch, a chain, a seal, and a key, his property.

MR. POLAND conducted the Prosecution; MR. WARNER SLEIGH appeared for Collis, and MR. STRAIGHT for Hunt

JOHN CURTIS (City Policeman 753). On 19th June, between 4 and 5, I was on duty on London Bridge in-plain clothes, and saw the prisoners and three others together—I followed them into the Borough, and left them there—I returned to London Bridge, and met them all five there about 6 o'clock—four of them went in front of Mr. Brock and turned round against him, and pushed him violently—Collis was on his left side, with his hand under Mr. Brock's arm, and in his waistcoat pocket—I took hold of the hand which was in Mr. Brock's pocket, and saw something shine in his hand—he rushed towards the other four, and what was in his hand was passed to one of them—at that time I received a blow at the back of the neck, which almost knocked me down, and Collis said, "Let me go, I have

not got the man's watch"—I said, "I have not said anything about a watch yet"—he then put his head against my breast, ran at me, and almost knocked me down; saying, "Let me go, I have done nothing"—we had a struggle, I kept hold of him, and took him to the station—on 3rd July, I saw Hunt at the end of King William Street—I lost sight of him for some time, and walked to Fore Street, and met the three again in Basinghall Street—I said to Hunt, "You are one of the men I am looking for"—he said, "What for?"—I said, "Where were you this day fortnight?"—he at first said, "At home," and then that he was at the horse-rides—I said that I wan a policeman, and should take him in custody for being concerned with another man now in custody in stealing a watch on London Bridge—he said, "I know nothing about it"—he gave a correct address, but Collis gave a false one—I had seen them before, and knew them by sight—I have no doubt about Hunt whatever.

Cross-examined by MR. W. SLEIGH. Q. About 6 is the traffic over London Bridge pretty tolerable? A. There are a great many people—the old gentleman was walking towards the station on the right hand side—one of Pickford's vans was there—Collis was alongside the old gentleman, and I was five or six yards behind—I have not said that Collis's hand was close by the waistcoat pocket, I said in it—I am sure Collis was at his side, not in front of him—he was pushing against him—my deposition was taken down, and I read it over and signed it—this happened out of the traffic—there was no occasion for a crowd—there were several people passing—I took hold of Collis by his hand, and then by his neck—he made a rush among some other men, but my hand was upon him—my thumb was pulled back, but I do not think I let go of his hand, I will not be certain—I said at the Police Court that my hand and his together were taken hold of by another person—his hand was in mine—I let go of his hand and caught him by the throat—I believe it was a watch I saw in his hand, it was like gold—the old gentleman said at first that I was one of them—he did not call me a thief—I told him I was a police-officer, and he must follow me to the station—the old gentleman came back, it might be three minutes and it might be five minutes after I took Collis by the hand and neck—I was nearly killed by the wheels of a van, through the prisoner's violence—I went to the address Collis gave, 26, Fore Street, and he was not known there—there were three persons at the door, and one was the landlady—I said, "Have you a lodger of the name of Collis"—she said, "No; I had a man here about six months ago named Collis"—I said, "What age was he"—she said, "About forty, ho was an engineer"—I said, "You do not know anyone about twenty-four or twenty-five?"—she said, "No"—I did not go up stairs to see if there were other lodgers of whom I might make inquiries—I have not heard since that Collis's sister lodges up stairs in that house.

Cross-examined by MR. STRAIGHT. Q. Did you ever see Hunt till 3rd July? A. No; he then gave me a correct address, Reform Place, Whitecross Street—the prosecutor had the bad taste to charge me.

MR. POLAND. Q. I suppose when you are on duty in plain clothes you try and not look like a constable? A. Yes.

WILLIAM BROCK . I live at Canterbury, and am one of the city Magistrates—on June 19 I was on London Bridge, and was surrounded by three or four people, and thrown off the kerb on to the wheel of a heavy waggon—my elbow was shattered, but it is now pretty well, except a scar—there was a very desperate struggle, and I was very glad to get out of the way—I saw

Curtis holding a man, and came back—I found I had lost my chain, watch, seal, and key, value 30l.—it is quite true that I charged the witness—I did not know one from another, he being in private clothes.

Cross-examined by MR. W. SLEIGH. Q. What was the size of your watch? A. Rather large, with a large link chain, and rather a large seal with a cornelian engraved" B."—there were a good many people there—but I do not think I should have had to push if I had wanted to pass people before me.

MR. POLAND. Q. Did these people push against you to obstruct you? A. Yes.

MR. W. SLEIGH to J. CURTIS. Is this your signature to this deposition? A. Yes. (This, being read, stated that Collis had his fingers in the waistcoat pocket.) I read over the first deposition, but not the second, in Hunt's case—they were not read over to me.

JURY. Had you seen the two prisoners together before the day you speak of? A. I think not.

MR. STRAIGHT called:

CAROLINE HUNT . I live at 27, Reform Place, Whitecross Street—Hunt is my son—I never knew of his being in trouble before—he was sleeping at home, and was always at his father's—he followed his father's trade of printing, and was going to be apprenticed to it, but he went into the militia from April 9 to May 8, and then came home, and was at home honestly and truly every day, doing odd jobs and selling fish—on June 19 he came in at 4.30 o'clock by my clock, and said, "Mother, have you had your tea?"—I said, "No, I cannot have it till this dozen of work is finished"—I work at braces—we generally have tea at 4.30—I took my work home to Bell Alley, Goswell Street—I went at 5.50—my son was then in the house holding his sister's child in his lap, which was very bad with diarrhoea, and by the time I returned home with a loaf and butter it was 6.30 by St. Luke's clock—his sister was with him she helped me to finish the braces—he sat down to tea with us, and did not go out till 7 or 8.

Cross-examined by MR. POLAND. Is the sister here? A. Yes—I took the braces to Mr. Hayes, Crown Court, Bell Alley—I cannot tell the number—it is the second house in the court—I have to work for them second-hand—Curtis called on me last Friday, and spoke about Friday, June 19,—I did not tell him that my son went out at 11 o' clock in the morning, and did not return till 11 at night—he said "What is your name?"—I told him—he said, "Have you seen your son lately?"—I said "Yes; he went out this morning with a man who sells fish; what is the reason of your coming here?"—he said, "He is taken up on suspicion"—I said, "It cannot be him"—he said, "Yes it is, you cannot be answerable for all that goes on"—I said, "Certainly not, but he is always in and out "—he asked me what time he was at home, and I told him he was in from 10 to 10.30—he asked whether he had been out that day—I said, "Yes, a dozen times"—I do not know Collis, I never saw him in my life—the last master my son worked for was Mr. Wilkinson, of St. John Street, three or four years ago—he was only called out for the militia for about a month or six weeks—he was taken on July 3—I took my sister's child to the doctor that day, because it was so bad with the diarrhoea, and the prisoner sat and held the child while we were doing the work—he generally came in to his tea about 4.30.

MR. STRAIGHT. Q. How long did the constable remain? A. Only a few minutes—he only asked me what I have told you.

COURT. Q. Last Friday you say the constable came? A. Yes, and he told me if I liked to take him some tea I could do so—I went to the Lord Mayor—I did not tell him my son was at home nursing the baby, his father could have told that—I did not go inside—his father was not at home on 19th June.

CAROLINE SEMAINE . On 10th June I was at home with my mother—she has two rooms—we were both making braces that afternoon—my brother, the prisoner Hunt, came home about 4.30, and said, "Mother, have you had your tea?—she said, "No, I must wait till the work is done"—he took off his cap and sat down, and never left till 7. I am married—my child was ill with diarrhoea—my brother took off his coat, and I said, "Will you hold the baby, and we shall be able to do the work quicker"—he took my child in his arms—we finished work about 5.50, and by the time my mother returned with the loaf it was 6.20—she had gone out with the braces—I was with my brother all the time—I did not go to the Mansion House—the policeman did not ask me any questions, my mother asked him to come into the room, but he would not.

Cross-examined by MR. POLAND. Q. How often does your mother take braces home? A. Nearly every day—I fix the time accurately, because she looked at the church turning out of Whitecross Street, and said, "Oh, Carry, it is twenty minutes past six"—she generally takes home the braces at that time, because they will not pay after 6—I fix Friday, 19th June, because I took my baby to the doctor at the Hospital Dispensary, Smithfield—I did not see the officer speak to him—I know nothing of Collis.

MR. POLAND to JOHN CURTIS. Q. After you had taken Hunt, and he gave you his address, did you go there and see Mrs. Hunt? A. Yes, I asked her if her name was Hunt—she said "Yes"—I asked her if she had a son, Henry George Hunt—she said, "Yes"—I asked her if she knew where he was, she said, "No"—I asked her if she knew where he was on Friday, 19th June—she said, "No" at first, afterwards she said that he went out about 11 in the day, and came home at 11 at night, or a little later—I told her he was in custody at Bishopsgate Street, for being concerned with another in stealing a watch—she said that she knew he did not do it—I told her she could see him at Bishopsgate Street, and he would he brought up at the Mansion House at 11—I saw her next day at the Mansion House.

MR. STRAIGHT. Q. How long did the conversation last? A. A few minutes—I did not repeat my questions many times, only once—I mentioned Friday, 19th June—she was in the passage of the house, and I stood at the door—I did not go into the room—the father and mother were both in the Court at the Mansion House—it took a very short time to get the boy committed.


COLLIS was further charged with having been before convicted.

HERBERT REEVES . I produce a certificate—(Read—"Clerkenwell, July, 1863, John Costillon, convicted of stealing a watch from the person. Imprisoned Nine Months")—I am sub-warder of Cold Bath Fields prison—Collis served the nine months there in that name—I saw him daily, he is the person.

Prisoner. You are mistaken, it was my brother, you cannot tell one from the other. I never served nine months. I have been upbraided with this

before; nobody can tell the difference between me and my brother. Witness. I do not know whether you have a brother, but I know you well; you are a very troublesome man in prison, very bad, and very insolent.

GUILTY.** Seven Years' Penal Servitude .

THIRD COURT.—Wednesday, July 8th, 1868.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-616
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment

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619. WILLIAM FIELDING (22), and THOMAS PEARSON (50) , Stealing a watch, the property of Henry Langford, from his person.

MR. METCALFE conducted the Prosecution; MR. STRAIGHT defended Pearson.

HENRY LANGFORD . I am carpenter to the Loochon, a vessel now lying in the West India Docks—on June 28 I was on the platform of the Shadwell railway station with a friend going to the docks—we went up to a carriage and my friend got in—as I was getting in Pearson stopped in the doorway and prevented mo—Fielding came up close to me and pulled my watch out of my pocket—I took hold of him, the railway porter was standing by and saw him—he asked me whether my watch was gone, I said, "Yes, hold him fast,"—the porter then said to Fielding, "You have got this man's watch,"—Fielding then threw it on the platform about two yards from me—I was going to pick it up but was prevented, and someone else picked it up and ran away—Pearson was then standing in the doorway of the carriage, and Fielding was close against me—there was nothing to prevent Pearson from getting into the carriage—my friend was inside—while I was taking my ticket, I saw four men, the prisoners and two others close to me.

Cross-examined by MR. STRAIGHT. Q. This was 11 o'clock at night, was it not? A. About 11—there were several persons walking about there—as soon as the train came up I tried to get into a carriage—I was not getting into a wrong carriage—Pearson was on the step and I could not get in.

Fielding. Q. Did you feel me take your watch from your pocket A. Yes, I saw it in your hand, and saw you throw it down on the platform—I gave you first into the custody of the porter and then to a policeman.

GEORGE HOLLINGHURST . I live at 49, William Street, Limehouse, and am a porter at the Shadwell station—as the 9.45 train came up I noticed the prisoners—I did not see anyone else with them at the time—Pearson asked me if it was the Bow train, I told him it was—I opened the door of a carriage and told him to get in there—he said, "Never mind, I am waiting for a pal."—I asked him to get in and he still refused, and I started the train and left them on the platform—on the arrival of the Blackwall train two or

three minutes after, the two prisoners with another man seemed to encircle two men round the carriage door—Pearson stood with one foot on the platform and one on the step of the carriage, in the doorway—seeing a crowd gather round I pushed through it, and I saw Fielding take the watch from the seaman's pocket—I took hold of him and said, "You have got that man's watch"—I made a grab at his hand, but he was too quick, and threw it on the platform, someone else picked it up and went away with it—Pearson was in the doorway when the watch was taken, and Fielding pressed up against the prosecutor—there was no reason why Pearson did not get into the carriage—the door was open and only one person inside—after the watch was taken, I went and took Pearson out of the carriage, and told him he was concerned in robbing the sailor of his watch; he said he knew nothing of it—I took a ticket out of his pocket from Shadwell to Bow—that train did not go to Bow at all, but to Blackwall—he had no Black wall ticket on him.

Cross-examined by MR. STRAIGHT. Q. Do not the trains come up to the same platform? A. Yes—there is only one porter on duty, and that is myself—I hare to attend to the Blackwall and Bow trains too—the trains come up about every five or six minutes—when I took Pearson out of the carriage, there was only one other person there—I saw the prisoners and one other man round the carriages—there were seven, or eight, or ten persons going by the train—I had some few words with Pearson because he would not get into the carriage when I opened the door—I thought he was very rude indeed.

HORATIO GEDDES . I am signalman at Shadwell Station—on the night when this occurred, I was called by the last witness, and took Fielding from him—he struggled with me, and threw me on the metals, and struck me in the jaw—I got assistance, and held him—I heard Pearson say that he did not want to make a bother about the watch, and offered to give the prosecutor his own to hush up the affair.

HENRY SLINGSBY (Policeman K 394). The prisoners were given into my custody—Pearson said, "I will go with you"—Fielding resisted violently, and I had to take two officers of the railway to take him to the station—I found a tobacco-pouch and two medals on Fielding, and a pair of spectacles, and a watch and key on Pearson—I afterwards went back to the railway station, and found this bow of a watch lying on the metals, which the prosecutor identified as his.

Fielding's Defence. When I went on to the platform, I saw Pearson and the porter quarrelling, and he thought I was in company with him, and has done it out of revenge.

FIELDING— GUILTY . He was further charged with having been before convicted, to which he PLEADED GUILTY.** Seven Years' Penal Servitude .

PEARSON— GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-620
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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620. ANNE TURNER (28) , Feloniously cutting and wounding William Henry Shepherd, with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

MR. METCALFE conducted the Prosecution.

CAROLINE SHEPHERD . I am the wife of William Henry Shepherd, and live at 2, Morris Road, Bromley—the prisoner is my sister—on 25th June, she was living in the house with me—between 6 and 7 in the evening we were quarrelling on the staircase—she was in liquor; I was sober—I threw a poker at her first, down the stairs, which did not improve her temper—I am a very bad temper myself—my husband came out, and tried

to put me into my room; and when he went near her, she hit him on the head with the poker—he fell down part of the stairs—I ran out, and when I came back I found a doctor there—he went to the surgery.

Prisoner. I am very sorry for what I have done; I did not intend to hurt him.

WILLIAM HENRY SHEPHERD . I was struck on the head with a poker by the prisoner; it hurt me very considerably—I have been attended by a doctor—she was very much in liquor, or she would not have hurt a hair of my head.

RICHARD TALBOTT . M.R.C.S. I was called to attend the last witness—I found an incised wound on the left temple—the temporal artery had been divided—he had received the wound about twenty minutes before I got there—he was completely saturated with blood, and if I had been five minutes later he would have been dead—it must have been a violent blow—a poker would have inflicted such a wound—he is recovering now, but is in a consumption—it will shorten his life, it was so severe—I was sent for a few hours after he left my surgery, and was told he was dead.

GUILTY of unlawfully wounding. Recommended to mercy by the Jury and prosecutor .— Two Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-621
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > with recommendation
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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621. GEORGE LEWIS (20), and JOSEPH HEBDEN (20) , Stealing 20 lbs. of leather, the property of James William Hickson and others, the masters of Lewis.

MR. BESLEY conducted the Prosecution; and MR. COOPER defended Hebden.

JOHN GROUT . I am a warehouseman, in the employment of Means. Hickson and Sons, West Smithfield—on Friday, June 26, about 6.30 I saw Hebden there—I have seen him there before, about once in a fortnight, for the last three months—he asked me if there were any pieces of leather for him—I told him to go to Lewis—Lewis was a sorter of the different kinds of leather—the waste pieces of leather passed through his hands—he would know what was required for manufacture, or what was waste—Hebden brought an empty bag with him—he came first between 3 and 4 in the afternoon, and left the bag, and came again about 6.15—when he came back at 6 he saw Lewis—Lewis afterwards brought the bag to me—I was busy at the time—he said "20 lbs., Mr. Grout"—the bag was full—I did not see inside the bag before it was taken away—I made out this invoice (produced) for 20 lbs. of waste leather pieces—the largest piece ought not to be larger than my hand—it was 51/2d. per lb., and Hebden paid me 9s. 2d.—these skins and half-skins (produced) are never sold by us at any time—Lewis has been with us some years—he have never sold leather of this description.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you know where Hebden lives. A. No—there was nothing to prevent my looking into the bag—if I had any suspicion I should have done so—I have made out other invoices for Lewis—he generally sells these pieces.

WILLIAM WINES (City Detective 551). I was on duty in Cheapside about midnight on June 26—I saw Hebden running down Cheapside with a barrow as fast as he could—there was a sack in the barrow—I asked him what he had in the rack—he said, "It is all right, Charley, you know me very well"—I said, "Yes; but I want to know what is in the sack"—I have seen him frequently—he said, "It is all right, here is the bill," and he handed me this piece of paper—he then opened the sack, and took these small pieces of

leather from the top, and said, "That is all they are, small pieces of leather"—I felt to the bottom of the sack, and found it contained large pieces—I said, "You did not buy these at 51/2d"—he said, "Oh yes," and showed me the bill—I said, "I shall have to make inquiries," and took him to the station—the sack was turned out, and there were 21 lbs. of large pieces and 15 lbs. of small—he was asked if he bought them as waste pieces, and he said, "Yes"—about 4 o'clock in the morning I went to Mr. Hickson's private house, and saw him—he came to the station, and I showed him the leather—I afterwards went to the warehouse, about 10, and saw Lewis—I told him I was a police constable, and had a man in custody for having a lot of leather which Mr. Hickson had identified, and if he knew anything about it he had better speak the truth, and he said he would—he said, "I was induced to do it by Helxlen offering me money"—he said that Hebden came to the warehouse, and said he could do with one of those, meaning the skins, and if he would sling him one or two he would drop him something—he said that Hebden gave him 4s. that evening, and that a fortnight previous ho had given him 4s. for skins he had put into the sack, and 3s. on five or six occasions—he said that Hebden grumbled each time, saying "You must put me in a better lot next time."

JAMES WILLIAM HICKSON . I carry on business with five other partners, at West Smithfield—skins in this state and of this sort are never sold in our business—they are our property—the value of the 15 lbs. of small pieces is 51/2d. a lb.—the value of the larger pieces is from 2s. 6d. to 5s. 6d. a lb.—Lewis has been about eight years with us—I have been very well satisfied with him up to this time—I always believed him to be honest.

Hebden's Statement before the Magistrate. I did not steal it, I paid for it.

Lewis's Statement. Yes; I am guilty.


LEWIS recommended to mercy by the Prosecutors .— Nine Months' Imprisonment .

HEBDEN.— Fifteen Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-622
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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622. JOHN GRANT (45) , Stealing 131/2 lbs. weight of brass, the property or Edward Knight and another.

MR. LEIGH conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES HENRY TEWSON . I am an apprentice to Messrs. Knight & Co., engravers, of 13 and 16, King's Head Court, Shoe Lane—on the morning of 29th June I went to a marine store dealer's, in Shoe Lone, and saw some brass which had been taken from a room of my masters'—the prisoner lives in the same house—my masters occupy the top port of the house; and, in a room at the top, the brass cuttings were kept.

EMMA JACKSON . My mother keeps a marine store shop, at 14, Shoe Lane—on 29th June, about 9.30, the prisoner came to the shop and offered some brass for sale, which I bought—there was 131/2 lbs.—I gave him 4s. 6d. for it—he also brought some brass dust, which I refused to buy.

Prisoner. Did you take my name and address? Witness. Yes—I have not got the book here—I have known you for two years about the neighbourhood by the name of Grant.

EDWARD KNIGHT . I am an engraver, at 13 and 16, King's Head Court—these brass cuttings (produced) are mine—they were in a room at the top of the house—I closed and fastened that room on Saturday afternoon, at 2 o'clock—on the following Monday I found that some cuttings had been taken away.

Prisoner. Had you some secret place for putting the key? Witness.

We used to put it on a ledge over the door—I was not aware that anyone knew we kept it there, but our own men.

GEORGE GRANT (City Policeman 424). I took the prisoner into custody—he was told the charge, and said he knew nothing of it—I took him in the Crown and Anchor public-house, in King's Head Court, at 10.40 in the morning.

Witness for the Defence.

GEORGE NAYLER . I am a boot and shoe maker, and did live in Union Court, Holborn Hill—I have known the prisoner nine years—I saw him on the 29th June, at 7.30 in the morning, in Union Court—I was moving at the time, and he came to assist me—he was with me up to a little before 10—St. Andrew's clock struck 10 directly after he left me—I did not pay him anything; it was not a paying affair—when he left me he had no parcel of any kind—over since I have known him he has borne a good character, and has been six years in one situation, and only left through a change in the business.

COURT. Q. How far is Shoe Lane from your place? A. 500 yards—I was only moving next door, and he never left.

COURT to EMMA JACKSON. Q. You said be came to you about 9.30? A. Yes; as near as possible.


6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-623
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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623. WILLIAM QUIBBELL (39) , Feloniously wounding Caroline Williams (the elder), with intent to do her grievous bodily harm.

MR. PATER conducted the Prosecution.

CAROLINE WILLIAMS (the younger). I am the daughter of the prosecutrix, and live with her at 53, Roman Road, Ford Road, Bow—I am single—my mother and the prisoner have been living together for about eight or ten years—about 4.30 on Sunday, 21st June, I heard a knife being sharpened, and I heard the prisoner say, "I will do it"—I knew it to be the prisoner's voice—I saw him about five minutes after—he came from down stairs, and went out of the street door, walking rather sharply—I saw his hands with blood on them as I stood at the door—just before he went out I heard a knife fall on the floor—I went into the room shortly after, and found mother sitting in a chair, bleeding very much from the right leg, close to the thigh, and I went and fetched a doctor—my mother and the prisoner had been quarrelling ever since 12 on the Saturday night till 4 on Sunday afternoon—the prisoner had kicked me down stairs just before I heard the knife being sharpened—I remained down there till I heard the noise—I brought the doctor back with me.

Prisoner. What time did you come home? Witness. About 12.30—I had been to the City to take home some work to London Wall—my mother let me in—my mother was not in the house at 1 on Sunday—you went and fetched her from next door—I heard you say, "Now I will do it"—I heard you sharpening the knife, I did not see you.

ELIZA SUTTLE . I am single, and live in the same house as the prisoner—on Sunday, 21st June, I heard the prisoner say, "I will do it"—that was about 4.30, as near as I can guess—I afterwards heard the prisoner and prosecutrix together in the front room—I heard the prisoner say, "I will kill you, you b——cow"—I could see into part of the room from my door—I saw the prisoner with a knife in one hand, and a poker in the other—I went town to the street door, and as I was returning I met the prisoner—the women said, "I am stabbed"—I went into the room and saw her sitting on

a chair bleeding from a wound in the right thigh—a knife was lying on the floor—the prosecutrix said to me, "Eliza, he has stabbed me," and he said, "Yes, you sow, I have"—he then went out of the street door—they had been quarrelling before this, but they had been quiet for about half an hour.

Prisoner. Was your door open? Witness. I opened it, hearing your foul language—you were sharpening the knife on the poker—you did not run out of the door, saying, "I will go and fetch a doctor."

HENRY KING (Policeman K 442). On 21st June last, I took the prisoner into custody on the charge of stabbing Mrs. Williams—I found this knife lying in the front room before I took the prisoner—there was no blood on it—he said he was sorry he had not put the knife through her heart, and then through his own—on the way to the station he said, "She lifted up her clothes and asked me to stab her through the heart, and then, after I had done it, I put my hand on the wound, and that is how my hands came over blood."

Prisoner. Did you see any blood in the room? Witness. No—on the 22nd, before the Magistrate, you said it was done by taking the knife out of her hand.

ALFRED HENRY BRERETON . I am a surgeon, in the Old Ford Road—on 21st June, I was called to the house of the prisoner, and saw the elder Caroline Williams—I found a wound on the right thigh—she was in an exhausted state—it was an incised wound, about an inch long and three-quarters of an inch deep—this knife would produce such a wound—I could not say whether it could be inflicted in a struggle or not—it must have been done with great force—the dress and petticoat were cut through.

Prisoner's Defence. This was a pure accident. My wife had a fall out with the girl, and she was so excited that she broke everything to pieces with a hammer. I got up to take it away from her, and we had a struggle. She said, "William, I am stabbed." I said, "Where?" She said, "In the thigh. I put my hand to the wound, and said, "I will go and fetch my mother." When the policeman came, I said, "Do you want me? I expect so," and I went out of the house with him. That is all I have to say.

CAROLINE WILLIAMS (the elder). We had a few words together, on the Sunday, about the dinner not being done—my daughter was asleep, instead of getting the dinner ready—she is very much embittered against him, because he won't allow her to stop out late at night—he sat down in a chair, eating his dinner—he jumped up all of a sudden, and said, "I will do it"—I said, "What are you going to do," and with that the knife slipped out of his hand accidentally, and through my clothes into my thigh—he has always been a good husband to me—I said, "You have stabbed me"—he said, "Have I," and put his hand over the place to stop the blood flowing.

Cross-examined. Q. Are you willing to prosecute him? A. Yes—I have been under the impression that it was an accident, since it occurred—I gave him into custody because I thought it would bring him to his senses—I did not say to Mrs. Suttle, "Eliza, he has stabbed me," nor did he say, "Yes, you sow, I have;" that is all false—I did not assault my daughter—I was brought before the Magistrate for doing something to her, but I did not do anything—I was bound over to keep the peace, and I have been brought from prison to the Court to-day—she said things that were not true, and J scolded her—I only said to her, "You ought not to have said what you did before the Magistrate"—I said, "Remember, you are in a court of

justice; now yon will have to speak the truth"—she said, "What I have said I shall stick to"—I have no husband living, that I am aware of.

COURT. Q. Were you examined before the Magistrate? A. Yes—I said, "We had a dispute, and he was eating his dinner, and said to me, 'I will do it;' and we had a scuffle, and it went into my thigh; it did not slip out of his hand accidentally "—I was standing at the time.

GUILTY .— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-624
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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624. WILLIAM WEEDON (29) , Stealing a dead pig, and eighty pounds of pork, of Edgar Prebble and others.

MR. BRINDLEY conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM PREBBLE . I am in the employment of Edgar Prebble, meat salesman, Newgate Market—on 13th March, the prisoner came to the shop, and asked if we had a pig for someone, I don't remember who—I told him "No"—he went away, and came back and said, "Have you got a pig for Mr. Symes?"—I said, "Yes," and delivered him one—he took it away—the prisoner is a porter in the market.

EDGAR PREBBLE . I am the son of the last witness—the prisoner came in on 13th March, and asked if we had some meat for a person whose name I don't remember—my father told him we had not; and he went to the top of the shop, and came back again, and said, "Have you got a pig for Mr. Symes"—father said "Yes," and gave him the pig—he left the shop with it.

Prisoner. You said I did not go out of the shop. Witness. You went to the top, and came back again—there were plenty of customers there at the time.

EDWARD SYMES . I am a butcher; at Camberwell—I know the prisoner as a porter—on 13th March, I did not authorize him to get a pig for me at Prebble's—I never received one from him.

Prisoner. You have not seen me since Christmas, have you? Witness. I can't say—I can't say whether you have done any work for me.

COURT. Q. Had you ordered a pig at Messrs. Prebbles? A. Yes—I sent a man for it, and the pig was gone only a few minutes before.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate: "I have not been in the market since last year."

GUILTY . He was farther charged with having been before convicted, in July, 1867, to which he PLEADED GUILTY.*— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment .

OLD COURT.—Thursday, July 9th, 1868.

Before Lord Chief Justice Bonvill.

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-625
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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625. JOSEPH ROBERTS (49), was indicted for unlawfully causing to be publicly exposed for sale in Newgate Market, 700 lbs. of unwholesome beef, unfit for human food. Other Counts for attempting the same.

MESSRS. SLEIGH and BESLEY conducted the Prosecution; and MR. RIBTON

the Defence.

WILLIAM WILDE . I am one of the Sanitary Inspectors of the City of London—I was formerly a butcher—I have a knowledge of animals—it is part of my duty to visit Newgate Market—Mr. Fisher, the collector and inspector, is also engaged in a similar duty—on the morning of 6th May last, ray attention was drawn to two hampers outside the shop of Mr. Coward,

a meat salesman, in Newgate Market—they were not then unpacked—they were the ordinary hampers used for sending meat by railway—the legs were protruding from the hampers—that drew my attention to them, and I had them taken into the shop and opened—the meat was in a very wet and inflamed state, very bad indeed—the wetness indicates disease—the inflammation was obvious—I took the label off one of the hampers, and produce it—the other hamper had a similar label; I have not got that.

COURT. Q. Were the hampers closed when you first saw them. A. Yes, tied down with string in the usual way, as if they had just arrived from the country—they were in front of the shop, as if just delivered from some railway—I did not see them delivered; they were on the pavement in Newgate Street—when meat is exposed for sale in the shops, it is sometimes hung up, sometimes laid on counters, and sometimes sold in the hampers—the lids of the hampers are then thrown buck for persons to look at the meat (The Chief Justice intimated that upon this evidence the Counts for exposing for sale could not be supported, and that the case must rest upon the 6th and 7th Counts, which charged an attempt to expose for sale.)—The label is printed—it is "J. Coward & Co., meat salesmen, Newgate Market, London, from" altered to "for Roberts."

MR. BESLEY. Q. When the hampers were opened, who were present? A. The defendant was present, one of Mr. Coward's men, and Mr. Fisher—Mr. Coward's man took two hind quarters of beef out of one of the hampers—there were four in each—in the first were four quarters of a cow that had died, or nearly so, from calving—I am able to tell the cause of death, especially in a case of parturition, where the animal is so inflamed in the hind quarters—the beef was very much inflamed and wet, and totally unfit for human food, all four quarters—the second hamper likewise contained four quarters of a cow that had died, or nearly so, from calving—it had the same appearances, and was also unfit for human food—in animals dying so, the inflammation always exhibits itself more in the hind quarters; still the whole system was inflamed—that state of inflammation would exhibit itself the moment the animal was opened and dressed in the usual way that butchers dress theirs—it would be obvious to anyone the instant it was opened, even to persons not acquainted with the trade—cows of that description are usually poor, these were not unusually so—in answer to a remark made to the defendant by Mr. Fisher, he said, "I must have been drunk when I bought them"—he subsequently told me he had purchased one of Mr. Thomas Reeve, at Leighton Buzzard, and the other of Mr. William Claridge, of the same place, both butchers, that he had given 1l. for one, and 2l. 10s. for the other—I have known the defendant for thirteen years—he has been a dealer in calves during that time in the market—he buys the calves alive, and has them killed and sent to his place for sale in the dead meat market—meat consigned in the way this beef was, would be sold for human food—moreover it was dressed as and for human food—the inflamed state of the animal would cause the meat to become diseased more rapidly—I made a report to the Commissioners of Sewers, and the meat was condemned and destroyed.

Cross-examined. Q. At what time in the morning was this? A. Between 6 and 7—I believe the hampers had just been delivered I should think; they had not been opened or interfered with in any way, the top of the hamper was raised sufficiently for me to see the legs; it was not covered

with straw—I have always known the defendant as a respectable dealer in the market; I have nothing at all to say against him—I hare known meat sent up, examined by the salesman, and then found to be unfit for food; it does not necessarily follow that because it is sent the salesman will sell it, he exercises his judgment upon it—if he finds it is not in a proper condition a respectable man would not sell it—I have never known it sold as cat's meat; he would inform the inspector that he had meat of a doubtful character, and if bad ho would take it away and it would be destroyed; carbonic acid is put upon it to prevent its being used in any way—for aught I know that course might hare been taken in this case, or it might have been made into sausages, if it had escaped me—I have had a good deal of experience in dead meat, not much in cow-calwing—I have heard that one of the witnesses in this case has stated that he killed the cow to save its life; I believe that to have been the case; that is, it would have died if it had not been killed—that would make no difference in the meat, in the state in which these cows were—I could tell by the carcase how the animal must have suffered previous to its death—in my opinion the meat must have been unfit when it started—I have never examined a cow that has died from calving, I only speak from an inspection of the meat in the market—it does make a difference in the appearance of the flesh whether the cow has been killed while in the process of calving, or whether it is allowed to die naturally, it depends upon how near death the throat is out, it is a question of degree—I have often been sent for by salesmen to inspect neat to see whether it was fit, and I have frequently passed it as being fit—salesmen do not like to run any risk, and they often send to us when there is really no necessity—if the defendant had sent to me to look at this I should have condemned it, and reported it to the commissioners—he did not ask me to look at it; I think I ordered the hampers inside before he had the opportunity; he deals in veal, I believe this was his first transaction hi beef—I could form a judgment of what the value of these carcases would have been in the market, had they been healthy; they are sold without the head and offal; that makes a very trifling difference, it might perhaps, make the difference of about 1l. in one cow—all the eight quarters were unfit; they were all very bad, as bad as any I ever had—all the meat was unfit, and very bad indeed.

MR. SLEIGH. Q. If these carcases had been sound what would have been their respective value? A. I should say from 12l. to 15l. each—the weight of each hamper was about 42 stone, that is an average weight; they were meaty carcases, although not fat—I only know the defendant's transactions from my inspection of the shop: it is Mr. Coward's shop, and the defendant has one portion of it allotted to him—I could not say that these animals had suffered from any disease previous to calving—the defendant was present when the hampers were opened—he said he had purchased them the day previous.

CHARLES FISHER . I am clerk of Newgate Market, and have been so about nine years; before that I was an inspector under the Commissioners of Sewers for about eleven years, and had to inspect meat sent to market—I saw the meat in these hampers, at Mr. Coward's shop, on 6th May—the defendant was present—it was totally unfit for food.

THOMAS REEVE . I live at Leighton Buzzard—I am a dealer—I don't do much in the butchering—I don't deal much in cattle—I buy fowls, ducks, rabbits, and anything I can get anything by—on 5th May, between 3 and 4 in the afternoon the defendant came to me in the market, at

Leighton Buzzard, and asked if I had anything to sell—I said, I had a carcase of beef which I had bought that morning—he went and looked at it, and said he would give me 50s. for it—I asked if he would not give me any more—he said, "No;" and I said, "Then you shall have it"—he paid me the 50s., and it was taken away from my place by Mr. Claridge's men—the defendant said he would go to Mr. Claridge, and tell him to bring a hamper and fetch it away—I and Claridge's man packed it—I saw a label put on the hamper, like this—I can't say this is the one—I did not take any notice of it—Mr. Claridge's man put it on—the defendant was not drunk when he made the bargain; he had had beer, but was not drunk—I did not see the carcase dressed; it was dressed by Mr. Chandler before I bought it—the defendant said he was going to look at a cow at Claridge's—I said it was a very thin one.

Cross-examined. Q. Where did he go to see this carcase? A. To my sister's place; he went alone—there was only one carcase there; it was quartered and hung up in a barn—I had bought it of John Grace.

JOHN GRACE . I am a farmer, at Stukeley, Bucks—I sold a carcase of a cow to Reeve, on the Tuesday—it was then in two halves—it had been skinned by Chandler, and the inside taken out; but it had never been washed, or scraped, or trimmed, or had a skewer or hook put in it: the two fore-quarters were together, and the two hind-quarters and the four legs drawn up together—the hind-quarters did not present a very good appearance—I should say it was inflamed—I don't know whether you would term that disease or not—it was at 2 o'clock on Monday that I saw the cow in her last stage, and I cut her throat and sent for the butcher to dress her—she presented a very bad appearance after she was dressed—Reeve saw her next morning, Tuesday, about 8.0 or 8.30—it remained with me till Chapman and Reeve fetched it—at that time it was very bad—I should say it was not fit for human food—I never at any time said it was; it was fit for dogs or pigs—I should have boiled it for my pigs, if I had no customer for it—it would have been worth 15s. to me for that—I boiled the offal for them, and I have got the pigs now.

GEORGE CHANDLER . I am a butcher, at Stukeley—on Monday, 5th May, I dressed a carcase for Mr. Grace, between 2.0 and 3.0 in the afternoon—I skinned it and took out the inside—I saw it on the Tuesday morning, and helped Reeve put it in the cart—it was inflamed behind—the two fore-quarters were not so bad as the two hind ones—the hind quarters were not fit for human food.

Cross-examined. Q. I believe, as regards the fore-quarters, you would not have had any objection to partake of some yourself? A. A little piece, if properly cooked.

COURT. Q. After you got it from Grace, did you dress it? A. No; I never had anything more to do with it after that—we sawed it into four quarters before putting it into the cart—I held it while Reeve sawed it—I did not put any skewers into it—we took it to Leighton and hung it up in the barn, and I had nothing more to do with it—I wiped it with a cloth, as every butcher does.

WILLIAM CLARIDGE . I am a butcher and farmer, at Leighton Buzzard, Hertfordshire—on Tuesday, 5th May, I saw the defendant coming out of our yard—he told me he had been and seen the carcase, and asked what I wanted for it—we went back again and looked at it—I think I asked him 30s, or 2l., I am not sure which—he bid me a sovereign for it—he said it was

a thin un—I said, yes, it was—he said he should not give any more for it, and I let him have it at 1l.—this was between 5 and 6 in the afternoon—the carcase was in the slaughter-house, where I used to kill; but I have not done any butchering for a year and a half—it was then whole—it had been there since Sunday, at 12 o'clock—it was dressed on Sunday morning; we killed it, and took the skin off—at the time of the bargain, on the Tuesday, the hind quarters were not in a very good state; they had been dry, but began to get a little stickey, and I dare say, by the Wednesday morning, it got worse—it began to get stickey on the Tuesday night—the prisoner did not see it again before it left—it was not in a good state when he saw it; it was not bad; it was getting worse for hanging there, I dare say—I did not sell him the offal; I boiled that for the pigs, as I have been in the habit of doing for these twenty years—the animal belonged to me—I killed it—in my judgment the carcase was not fit for human food on the Tuesday at 5 o'clock—the defendant did not seem in any way drunk—I did not take much notice of him—he told my son to go to Claridge's, the waggoner's, for a hamper—I saw Brandon, the carrier, come with another lad and take away the four quarters—that was at very nearly 6 o'clock in the evening.

COURT. Q. You say that on Tuesday it was not fit for human food; was there anything about it to show that, which anyone could see? A. No; only where the calf had lain, the hind quarters—that was nothing but the usual thing when a cow calves; all cows are inflamed when they are calving.

ROBERT BRANDON . I am employed by Mr. George Claridge, a carrier, at Leighton Buzzard—on Tuesday, 5th May, I took an empty hamper to Mr. Claridge's, and put four quarters of beef into it, by his direction—the hamper was then fastened up, and a label put on—I can't read, but I think this is the label, by the appearance of it—I got it from George Claridge—I took the hamper to the railway station.

Cross-examined. Q. Was the prisoner present when the meat was put into the hamper? A. No; I did not see anything of him, only Mr. Claridge and his son—I did not take any notice of the meat; it looked rather dark, not very healthy—I think I said, before the Magistrate, "The meat appeared to me to be healthy—I don't understand meat.

GEORGE BRANDON . I am also in the employment of Mr. George Claridge—on 5th May, about 4.40, I went to Reeves, with an empty hamper—I put in it four quarters of beef, and took it to my master's, and saw it put on the waggon.

Cross-examined. Q. Was the prisoner there when it was packed? A. No.

GEORGE CLARIDGE . I am a carrier, at Leighton Buzzard—I have been in the habit of sending meat by railway for the prisoner—on 5th May, I sent two hampers of meat for him—I know this label; I wrote "Roberts" on it—I had directions from him to consign his meat to Coward—he paid me for the carriage on 9th May—be told me the meat had been taken away, that it was seized—that was the only meat I had sent to London for him that week.

ROLAND MOTT . I am in the employment of Mr. Coward—I was not present when the two hampers came there—I first saw them about 4.40 in the evening—it was about 7, or a little after, when they were taken into the shop—they had not then been unpacked.


NEW COURT.—Thursday, July 9th,1868.

Before Mr. Recorder.

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-626
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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626. THOMAS GOUGH (20) , Stealing a watch of Theodore Pick, from his person.

MR. STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution.

THEODORE PICK (Through an Interpreter). I live at 28, Earl Street, Finsbury—about 10.30 on the night of 5th June, I was in the Minories—there was a fight going on, and I stopped to look—I felt a pull at my watch chain, and saw the prisoner standing at my left side—he passed by me, made a snatch at my watch, and turned it off—I saw it in his hand when he was running away—I ran a little, and fell over an old woman, and then I caught him—he had a man with him, who threw me back when I was about to seize him—I have not seen my watch since—I am sure the prisoner is the person—my chain was very heavy, I did not lose that.

THOMAS JETER (Policeman H 31). I was in Rosemary Lane, heard a cry, and met the prisoner followed by Pick—I took him—it was about 10.35.

Prisoner. No, it was only 10.30.

GUILTY .—He was further charged with having been before convicted.

GEORGE LOCKYER . I produce a certificate (Read—"Central Criminal Court, 10th July, 1865, Thomas Gough, convicted of stealing a watch and chain from the person, having been before convicted. Confined one year")—the prisoner is the person, I had known him before.

GUILTY.** Seven Years' Penal Servitude .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-627
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment; Imprisonment > penal servitude

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627. GEORGE PETERS (35), GEORGE WITHERS (33), and SAMUEL VERLANDER (22) , Stealing three coats and two pairs of trousers, of the Commercial Clothing Company, the masters of Verlander; to which WITHERS PLEADED GUILTY .— Five Years' Penal Servitude . VERLANDER PLEADED GUILTY . ( He received a good character and a witness engaged to employ him).—Three Months' Imprisonment .

MR. NICHOLSON conducted the Prosecution; and MR. LANGFORD defended


FREDERICK WILLIAM LEWIS . I am a clerk in the Joint Stock Registration Association.—I produce the register of the Commercial Clothing Company, Limited.

GEORGE WHITLEY (City Policeman 98). I received information, and watched the premises of the Commercial Clothing Company—on 1st June, shortly before 11 a.m., I saw Peters standing in Cheapside, opposite No. 27, a shop of the Commercial Clothing Company—he remained some time, and went away—I followed him to 11, Cobb's Yard, Petticoat Lane—I saw him again on Thursday, 4th June, with Withers, standing opposite 27, Cheapside—he had a Muck bag in his hand—I followed them down Cheapside—they separated, Peters went to the corner of Cheapside, and watched the preniise H, No. 90, and Withers went to the corner of the shop in Ironmonger Lane, which is out of sight of the door—Verlander came round the corner and spoke to Withers—they parted, and Withers joined Peters again—they went down as far as the Golden Fleece public-house, Queen Street, Withers left Peters there—Verlander came down with his coat buttoned up, appearing very bulky in front—he followed Peters into the Golden Fleece public-house—I gave directions to a witness who is here—Verlander shortly afterwards came out, the bulky appearance have disappeared, and his

coat was unbuttoned—I followed him back to 90, Cheapside, went back and waited at the Golden Fleece till about 3.45, when Withers returned and went into the public-house, and came out with Peters, who still carried the black bag—I followed them to other places, and ultimately left them together at 11, Cobb's Yard—I have since that fetched some property away from there, which Withers owned—it is a sort of warehouse, and he admitted that he was in the occupation of it—I opened the door with a key which I took from Withers—on Friday the 5th, I met Peters coming from the direction of Cheapside, with a full bag—I followed him to 11, Cobb's Yard, where I left him—on Monday, the 8th, between 1 and 2 o'clock, my attention was called by Obee, another officer, to the Crown Tap public-house, Watling Street—on Tuesday, the 9th, I saw Verlander come down Queen Street, with his coat buttoned and bulky—he went into the Golden Fleece, came out with the other two prisoners, and the bulky appearance was removed—Withers and Peters both carried bags—Obee and I followed them into Cheapside—they walked past No. 27 once or twice, they then walked to the corner of Milk Street—I took hold of Peters, and Obee took Withers—I said, "We are officers, what have you got in these bags?"—I took the bag out of Peters' hand, and he said, "A pair of trousers"—I said, "Where did you get them?"—he said, "I bought them of that man," pointing to Withers—I asked Withers where he got them—he said that he bought them in Petticoat Lane, and he was a dealer—I told him that would not do for me, and we took them to the station—Peters refused his address.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you taken from Peters some other pair of trousers? A. The trousers in the bag.

SAMUEL OBEE (City Policeman 899). I watched with Whitley, and on 9th June, at 1 o'clock, saw Withers come cat of 90, Cheapside, speak to Verlander, and go away—I afterwards saw Peters come to 90, Cheapside—he went round into Ironmonger Lane, and Verlander followed him—they spoke together, and motioned to go across the road, towards Queen Street—Peters went down Queen Street to the Golden Fleece public-house, where Withers had gone—at that time Whitley had come up to us—I saw Verlander come with his coat buttoned up, and bulky—I went in, and they were all together, talking—I came out, and afterwards saw the three come out—we followed them into Cheapside, where we stopped them, and I heard all the conversation.

JOHN BOARDMAN . I am a cart minder, of 12, Printing House Lane, City—on Thursday, 4th June, I was told by one of the witnesses to go into the Golden Fleece—I there saw Peters and Verlander talking together—Verlander went into the back yard, followed by Peters—I fallowed them—the yard is very small, I could hardly get in—I saw Peters take something, I could not see what, from Verlander, and put it into a black bag—I should say that this (produced) is the bag—they then went back into the bar.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you not tell the Magistrate that Verlander put the block cloth into Peters' bag? A. Yes—it had the appearance of a coat—I saw the sleeve, or the leg of a pair of trousers—Peters held the bag open.

SAMUEL VERLANDER (the prisoner). I have been in the employ of the Commercial Clothing Company since 1861—I had known Withers about two months by his coming to our place to purchase something—I had known Peters about seven weeks; Withers introduced him to me at the

Crown, Watling Street, near my employer's—a conversation took place between me and Peters; and on several occasions I took clothing from my employers, and sold it to these prisoners—I have pleaded guilty to stealing three coats and a pair of trousers—Withers received the coats, and Peter was with Withers when I took the pair of black trousers—on 9th June, I went to the Golden Fleece with a coat—Withers was there, but not Peters—on 4th June I went down Queen Street and into the Fleece—Withers was there, but not Peters; Peters was at the Fleece when I took the trousers—he knew where I got them—I am certain he knew where I came from, because he had come to my place, and seen me there.

Cross-examined. Q. On what day were you taken in custody? A. Tuesday the 9th, the day I took the trousers—Withers took them from me at the Fleece, and they were put into Peters' bag—I had taken the coat previously.

COURT. Q. When he took the trousers, and Peten was present, did he give you anything? A. Withers gave me 2s.—they would sell for 18s. at my masters' shop.

THOMAS SHOWELL . I am manager of the Commercial Clothing Company, Cheapside—these trousers are their property—they would sell for 18s.—I have only been there seven months—Verlander was in the empty.

PETERS— GUILTY . He was further charged to the having been before convicted at this Court, in September, 1855, to which he PLEADED GUILTY.**†— Ten Years' Penal Servitude .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-628
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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628. THOMAS OSBORNE (18) , Stealing a watch from the person of James Cavanagh.

MR. STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution, and MR. R. N. PHILLIPS the


JAMES CAVANAGH . I reside at 5, Pullen Street, Hanover Square, and am a solicitor's clerk—on Monday afternoon, July 6th, I was looking into a shop window in Holborn, when three young men came behind me—I had my watch and guard safe in a pocket on my left side—I heard a little clicking, felt my coat going back, and turned and saw the prisoner and one of the men, the prisoner was attempting to hand my watch to him—I thought he had the watch, and I caught hold of the prisoner and held him until a gentleman came up—he resisted and tried to throw me—the other men ran across the road.

Cross-examined. Q. You cannot say how many people there were about at the time? A. No, I cannot, I did not count them—I did not see the watch in the prisoner's hand—I do not think he was the man, but I am quite sure of it—I saw the watch pass—I do not know where my hands were at the moment when I was looking into the window—I have not noticed that people move their hands about when they stand by a shop-window.

RICHARD PRITCHARD . M.D. I live at 32, Great Nelson Street, City Road—I saw the prosecutor looking into a shop in Holborn on Monday last—he was standing sideways to me—I saw the prisoner take the watch from his pocket, and pass it to another man, who ran across the road with it—I collared the prisoner and held him until a constable came up—I am quite certain I saw the prisoner take the watch—it was a silver watch and I saw it pass—there were other people round us, I cannot say how many—the prisoner was in the company of two other men.

GUILTY .— Eight Months' Imprisonment .

THIRD COURT.—Thursday, July 9th, 1868.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-629
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment; Imprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment

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629. JAMES SCOTT (38), ALEXANDER CAMPBELL (35), ELLEN WILTON (23), ELIZABETH SMITH (27), and EMILY SCOTT (28) , Robbery on Absolom Bennett, and stealing a watch and chain his property.

MR. GRIFFITHS conducted the Prosecution; MR. R. N. PHILLIPS appeared for Campbell; MR. WILLIAMS for Wilton; and MR. WOOD for James and Emily Scott.

ABSOLOM BENNETT . I am a private gentleman, and live at the Norfolk Hotel, Norfolk Street, Strand—between 1 and 2 o'clock on June 30, I was in Norfolk Street on my way to the hotel—I was accosted by two women at first, and another come up afterwards—I had a gold watch in my pocket and a chain and key attached—my watch had a glass to it—the women stopped me, and I was surrounded and knocked down—I was struck on the shoulder and stunned—I have suffered very much from the effects of the blow, and was unable to put my coat on for several days—when I got up I missed my watch and chain and key, value 20 or 25 guineas—a gentleman came up and spoke to me—there were two or three gentlemen round me when I got up—I spoke to a policeman and pointed out someone to him—I have not seen my watch and chain since.

FAIRFAX FRANKLIN . I live at 32, Norfolk Street, Strand, and am an estate agent—on June 30 I was in Norfolk Street, and Emily Scott and Wilton accosted me—I went down Surrey Street, and they followed—when I got down there I saw the two male prisoners following as well—I then went back to Norfolk Street, to my own house—the men and women followed me there—this was about 1 o'clock in the morning—I went into my house, came but again, and stood at the door—I saw all the prisoners in the street then—they could not see me—I saw a gentleman coming up the street, and two of the women went up and spoke to him—directly afterwards the prisoner James Scott rushed up and knocked him down—Campbell was standing just at the comer of the street then—I ran up and found it was Mr. Bennett—the prisoners were going up the street at that time, following one another—I picked Mr. Bennett up and followed the prisoners to the top of the street—two policemen came up, and the women were taken in custody—Campbell joined Scott after Mr. Bennett was knocked down—I spoke to a policeman and he followed the two male prisoners and brought them back—Emily Scott came up and clung round her husband—there was a scuffle and they were afterwards taken to the station—I then went back to the spot where Mr. Bennett had been knocked down, and picked up a watch key and took it to the station—Campbell was standing about ten yards off when Mr. Bennett was knocked down.

Cross-examined by MR. WILLIAMS. Q. Had you ever seen Wilton before? A. No—she was taken at the top of the street, about two minutes after—it was about half a minute after the two women accosted Mr. Bennett that he was knocked down—he was quite sober.

Cross-examined by MR. WOOD. Q. How do you know what time it was? A. Because I had left a friend at the Tavistock Hotel—the clock was 12.55 when I left the Tavistock—I came straight away—I had been dining with my friend, and went to the theatre—I left the theatre about 11, and went

to the Tavistock again—I had some soda water and brandy, and smoked—I was quite sober—I tried to get away from the women—I should think I was half an hour getting away from them; they followed me everywhere—I saw the commencement of the conversation with Mr. Bennett, but could not hear it—I don't know who spoke first.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Is not the place where this occurred a very public place? A. Yes—there were no persons about then—the theatres were over then—Mr. Bennett did not appear as if he had been drinking—Campbell was on the other side of the street, walking about.

MR. GRIFFITHS. Q. Have you any doubt that these were the persons who were there? A. Not any.

HENRY PROBERT . I live at 7, Saville Street, Langham Place, and am a brass finisher—on 30th June, about 1.40 or 1.45, I was standing at the door of an hotel in Norfolk Street, and saw Wilton and Emily Scott at the end of the street—they spoke to Mr. Bennett—I heard a scuffle, turned round) and saw Mr. Bennett lying on his back in the road—Ellen Wilton was running up the street, following Smith—the two male prisoners were standing just in front of me when I was at the hotel door—I was about six yards from Mr. Bennett at the time I heard him fall—I saw the two men walking up towards the Strand—I heard Wilton calling out to Smith to stop—I then went up to Mr. Bennett, and he made a communication to me—I ran up the street, and when I came to the corner I saw a policeman, and spoke to him, and he went and took two of the women—I saw Scott coming along the Strand, after I had given the women in charge—I met a Thames Policeman, and pointed Scott out to him, and he took him in custody—I am certain that the prisoners are the persons who were in Norfolk Street-Emily Scott clung round her husband when he was taken—that was about ten or twenty yards from the end of Norfolk Street.

Cross-examined by MR. WILLIAMS. Q. You saw Mr. Bennett when he was on the ground, and two women standing near him, and those two women were Wilton and Smith? A. Yes—Scott may have been there, but I did not see her till I got into the Strand—I heard Wilton shout to Smith, and ask what she was running for.

Cross-examined by MR. WOOD. Q. Did it strike you that Mr. Bennett had had too much to drink? A. No—I did not see the woman Scott do anything—if she had been there at the time I should have seen her—It was all done instantly.

ROBERT HARGRAVE (Police Sergeant F 14). I was on duty in the Strand, and met Mr. Robert at the corner of Norfolk Street—he spoke to me, and pointed out the prisoners Wilton and Smith—they were just turning the corner of the street into the Strand—the male prisoners were going across to the opposite side of the Strand—I stopped Wilton and Smith, and told them I wanted them for robbery—they said they knew nothing about it—I took them back to the corner of Norfolk Street, and saw Mr. Bennett—he said he had been robbed of his watch, and they were the women that did it—I pointed out the male prisoners to F 82, and they were taken—just as Mr. Probert was speaking to me, James Scott came running up Norfolk Street into the Strand—that was about a minute before I took Wilton and Smith.

GEORGE GREENAUGH (Policeman F 82). I was on duty with Hargrave, and saw Mr. Probert come up Norfolk Street—he pointed out the male prisoners to me, and Smith and Wilton, who were just at the top of the

street—I took James Scott in custody, and a Thames policeman took Campbell—I took Scott across the street, and Emily Scott came up, hung round his neck, and said he should not go to the station—on reaching the opposite side of the street, she threw herself down in front of me, and tripped me over—James Scott got away in consequence—I met him in Russell Street, and took him again about half an hour afterwards.

Cross-examined by MR. WOOD. Q. Were you trying to get Scott away from, her? A. Yes, and she went forwards, and I do not think she could have slipped.

JOHN MILLER (Thames Policeman 20). I was coming along the Strand, and from something Hargrave said, I took Campbell in custody—he said he would not go without his mate Scott went with him.

JANE SMITH . I searched the female prisoners—in Emily Scott's jacket pocket I found part of a watch glass—she was very violent indeed—I don't think I ever searched such a violent woman.


Smith's Defence. They are strangers to me.

JAMES SCOTT was further charged with having been before convicted in June, 1861, to which he PLEADED GUILTY.*†— Ten Years' Penal Servitude .

ELLEN WILTON was further charged with having been before convicted in February, 1865, at Clerkenwell, to which she PLEADED GUILTY.— Twelve Months' Imprisonment; and EMILY SCOTT was further charged with having been before convicted, to which she PLEADED GUILTY.**Seven Years' Penal Servitude . CAMPBELL and SMITH Twelve Months' Imprisonment each .


Before Mr. Recorder.

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-630
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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630. HENRY WILLIAMS (36) , Stealing a watch of Frederick John Crisp, from his person.

MR. METCALFE conducted the Prosecution; and MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS the


FREDERICK JOHN CRISP . I am a grocer, in the Commercial Road—on 14th June, about 9.30, I was at the booking-office at the Lea Bridge Station—there were several other persons there—I was going towards the window to get my ticket—as I got just by the barrier, in front of the ticket office, the prisoner pushed against me, and I saw his hand leave my coat—I seized him—he pushed in from the barrier; pushed me on one side, so as to get between me and the barrier, in front of me—I had a waistcoat on with no fob to it, and my watch was in the pocket, and the coat buttoned—I had seen it safe the moment before—I saw the prisoner's hand come from under my coat, looked down, and saw the chain hanging, and the watch gone—no one but the prisoner was near enough to have taken it; he was the only man before me—I immediately took hold of him, and gave him to the station master—there were other persons near enough to him to take the watch from him—he refused his address at the station—he said he travelled in Manchester and Birmingham—he said, sooner than I should prosecute him, he would pay me double the value of the watch—it was a gold hunter, worth twelve guineas—a ring was picked up, which corresponds with the one on my watch.

Cross-examined. Q. Where was this barrier you speak of? A. In front

of the window of the ticket office—I don't think the prisoner had paid for his ticket; he was going towards the pay place—this was about eight or ten minutes before the train started—five or six people were taking their tickets—I don't think I said, before the Magistrate, that I saw his hand coming from the breast of my coat; I won't be positive, I might have said so—I laid hold of the prisoner at once; and, if I could, I should have laid him on his back, but on account of the barrier I was not able.

AUGUSTUS ROOS . I am station-master at Lea Bridge—I saw the prosecutor pushing the prisoner, and heard him ask for his watch—he was given into my custody—I seized him by the collar of the coat and hand, and handed him out of the office to the policeman—when the prosecutor accused him of taking the watch, he pulled his coat off, and turned up the sleeve, to show that he had no watch there—there were persons near enough to him to have received it.

Cross-examined. Q. Then I suppose there were persons near enough to have taken it? A. No; there were others in front, but the prisoner was between them and the prosecutor—no man in front of the prisoner could have got to the prosecutor's pocket—there were a great many there—there were several behind the prosecutor—I can't say whether he had passed them—I believe he took his ticket—the prisoner had not taken, his—the booking clerk is not here.

FEDERICK JOHN CRISP (re-examined). I had not taken my ticket when I gave the prisoner into custody; I took it afterwards.

WILLIAM WEST . I am a porter at the railway station, Lea Bridge—I picked up this ring just underneath where the persons stand to take their tickets, about twenty-five minutes or half an hour after this had happened—I gave it to the prosecutor.

JOSEPH BARNES (Policeman N 503). I took the prisoner to the station—he went quietly up the Lea Bridge Road—in going across the common he became violent twice—I told him if he did not go quietly, I should use him roughly—he wanted to get away; but he went quietly afterwards—he was asked for his address at the station, but he refused to give it.

Cross-examined. Q. I believe he wanted to put his hands in his pockets, and you would not let him? A. Yes—I searched him—I found no ticket on him, only 5d. in coppers, 6d., and a small knife.

GUILTY . He further PLEADED GUILTY** to a previous conviction in 1867.— Seven Years' Penal Servitude .


Before Mr. Recorder.

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-631
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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631. HENRY BROWN (18), was indicted for embezzlement.

MR. DALY conducted the Prosecution; and MR. WOOD the Defence.

JOHN MARSHALL . I am a dairyman, at Plumstead—the prisoner was in my service about eight or nine months—it was his duty to carry out milk, and receive payments on my account—he told me what the weekly customers paid, and I entered it in a book which I have here—ready money customers I did not enter—Lay and Figgins were customers of mine—Mrs. Lay has been paying the prisoner 3s. 21/2d. a week for three weeks, and he has been paying me 1s. 9d.

Cross-examined. Q. Is this book in your writing? A. Yes, I made the

entries immediately after the money was given to me—I first made them in pencil in a little book, and then transferred them into this book—I have not brought the pencil book here—I always made the entries the same day—the prisoner left me on 13th June—he never had this book—I have made no entries in it since he left—I have made them in the book that is at home—after he left me he set up in opposition, and got away some of my customers—I have not said that I would not have prosecuted him if he had not set up in opposition to me—I said I might not have gone to such strictness with it if he had not cheeked me—since he left me I have sent out lees milk and got more money.

EMMA LAY . I am the wife of Charles Lay, of Plumstead—I have been a customer of the prosecutor's for some time—and the prisoner has been in the habit of buying milk from him—for the three weeks prior to 6th June, I paid him 3s. 21/2d. each week—he did not give me any receipt.


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VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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632. HENRY BROWN was again indicted for a like offence.

SARAH ANN FIGGINS . I am the wife of Matthew Figgins, of Plumstead—I have dealt with the prosecutor for some months—the amount of my weekly account was 1s. 2d. regularly for six months—I have paid that every Saturday—I had no bills or receipts—on 15th May I paid the prisoner 2s. 2d., and did so for three weeks, as I had got behind while my husband was out of work.

JOHN MARSHALL . I did not know Mrs. Figgins was a weekly customer, or that she owed me anything, until she herself told me, when I went round to my customers after the prisoner left me—I never received the three sums of 2s. 2d. from him on her account—I gave him no receipts to give customers.


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Reference Numbert18680706-633
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Not Guilty > no evidence

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633. RACHEL EDWARDS (16), and ELIZABETH Mc KEY (18), were indicted for stealing a watch, value 40l., of James Fane Alexander in his dwelling house. Mc KEY PLEADED GUILTY .— Six Months' Imprisonment .

MR. PATER. for the Prosecution, offered no evidence against EDWARDS.— NOT GUILTY .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-634
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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634. GEORGE WILLIAMS (30) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Archibald Calvert, with intent to steal.

ISABELLA BLANDEN . I am in the service of Mr. Calvert—on 14th June I went to bed about 11.30—I went to sleep, and was awoke about 12.30, by my bedroom door opening—I could reach the door from my bed—I pushed but could not shut it—I closed it about half an hour afterwards—I tried it three times, but it resisted—I waited about twenty minutes, and heard whistling outside—I then tried the door again, and shut it—I went and called my master—he went down stairs, and I went back to the door, and found a man lying under a child's cot—I touched him with my foot, and he got up—I asked him what he wanted, and he said to get out—I tried to open the door and could not—I then opened the nursery door, he went in and I locked him in—I then called Major Calvert up—I had fastened up the house—the window that he came in at had been left open—I can't say whether it was wide enough for a person to get in.

ARCHIBALD CALVERT . I was called up between 12 and I on 14th June—the nurse said that she had just locked a man in the room—I ran down into the back yard, expecting to see him come out at the window—I went up

again into the nursery, and found the prisoner behind the door, and took him in custody—I asked him what he was doing there, and he said he was hungry and came to get some bread—he had no shoes, stockings, or coat on—he had got through a window of a small room outside the night nursery, which had been left open on account of the hot weather—I did not see how far the window had been left open.

WILLIAM PILCHER . I am butler to Major Calvert—on the night of 14th June I was called up, and went part of the way up stairs—I saw Major Calvert come out with the prisoner—he had no boots on—he asked me for his boots: he said they were in a little place outside; I went and found them—when the police came he asked for them again, and I gave them to him.

JOHN WHITMELL (Policeman R 195). I heard the alarm bell ring at Major Calvert's, a little after 1, on the morning of the 15th—I went to the house, and found the prisoner in custody—I asked him what he did there: he made no answer—he was perfectly sober.

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Imprisonment .

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Reference Numbert18680706-635
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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635. ALFRED CLARIDGE (25) , Stealing a coat, the property of John White.

MR. WOOD conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN WHITE . I am servant to Mr. Earle, a baker, of Blackheath Hill—on Friday last, between 1 and 2, I left my master's horse and cart at his door, and went to get my dinner—I left a coat in the cart, under a basket—when I came back it was gone—I have not seen it since—it was a grey coat with a black velvet collar—I gave 18s. for it about four months ago—it is now worth about 10s.—I gave information.

JOHN MARSHALL (Policeman R 71). On Friday last, about 2.40, I was in South Street, Greenwich, and saw the prisoner and two companions—one of them had a bundle—from information I apprehended the prisoner the following day at the bottom of Blackheath Hill—I have not found the coat.

PHŒBE CALLS . I am shopwoman to Mr. Lawson, a draper, on Blackheath Hill—on the day in question, I saw a horse and cart standing before Mr. Earle's door—I saw the prisoner there—I had seen him in the neighbourhood, and knew him by sight—I saw him take the coat from under a basket in the cart—it was a grey coat with a velvet collar—that was between 1 and 2—I have no doubt that he is the man.

GUILTY .— Three Months' Imprisonment .

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Reference Numbert18680706-636
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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636. HENRY JONES (23) , Stealing a watch, the property of Samuel Goddard, from his person.

MR. FLOOD conducted the Prosecution; and MR. PATER the Defence.

SAMUEL GODDARD . I am an engineer, at 17, Eleanor Street, Woolwich—on 26th January, I was on a steamer returning to Woolwich—as the passengers were landing, I stood at the left side of the gangway—I felt a touch at my watch, and looked down, and saw it in the prisoner's hands—I made a grab at him, and caught him by the coat—he had plenty of opportunity of passing the watch away—it was worth about six guineas—I gave him in custody.

Cross-examined. Q. You had a friend with you? A. Yes—he is not here to-day—I seized the prisoner at once—there was a constable on board, in private clothes—I refused his assistance, because I did not know he was a constable—I did not see the prisoner pass the watch.

MR. FLOOD. Q. Was your watch safe before the steamer got to the landing place? A. Yes; I had looked at it just before.

WILLIAM DAVIS (Policeman H 210). I was off duty, in plain clothes, on board this steamer—I was some distance at the back; but I heard the prosecutor say, "You villain, I have got you!"—the prisoner said, "You are mistaken, it was not me"—the prosecutor said, "You have got my watch"—the prisoner said, "No; it must be on the ground"—we looked about, but could not find it.

Cross-examined. Q. How far were you off? A. About three yards—I was the only constable on board—the prisoner pulled out his own watch, and said, "You see I have got mine all safe."

GUILTY .—He was further charged with having been before convicted, to which he PLEADED GUILTY.** Seven Years' Penal Servitude. Twelve other convictions were proved against the prisoner .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-637
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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637. GEORGE GRAY (15), and JOHN PARKER (14) , Unlawfully throwing stones at an engine and carriages on the North Kent Railway.

MR. CLARK conducted the Prosecution.

SAMUEL LING (Policeman 159 R). On Sunday evening, June 7, about 6.25, I was on duty in a field close by the North Kent Railway, in plain clothes—a bridge crosses the railway there—I saw the prisoners and two other boys, and while I was watching them an up train passed on the Chatham and Dover line—I saw them throw at it, and saw a stone strike the carriages and rebound from them, Gray was on the stonework, and Parker on the ironwork—they both threw several stones at the train—a down train passed at the same time, and I saw Gray throw a large white stone, about the size of a man's fist, it missed the driver and struck the funnel of the engine—they were directly over the engine—I was about twenty yards from them—I went towards them, and they ran away—Gray, knowing me, stopped and said, "It is all right, Mr. Ling, we have all done so"—I afterwards took Parker in Charles Street, and told him the charge—he said, "I will prove you are all liars"—Harvey was one of the boys with them, but he did not throw at the train.

Gray. Harvey was picking up stones, and throwing them where you could not see him. I was only showing which line the next train would come on, and the stone struck the funnel.

Parker. He only said, "What is your name!" He took me to the station, and never opened his mouth to me. We were all playing together. He did not see me throw stones.

WILLIAM YARDLEY (Policeman R 228). I was on duty, in plain clothes, with Ling, and saw the prisoner with two other boys, one of whom was Harvey, on the iron bridge that crosses the South-Eastern line—I heard one boy say, "Here comes a train"—I then saw the two prisoners and another boy picking up stones—parker was on the iron was, and Gray on the stone coping, and as the train passed over, they threw the stones down with all their force, two or three times—I saw two stones bounce from a carriage about half way along the train—there was no danger of their going in at the windows; the danger was to the guard—another train passed at the same time, and they threw at that—Harvey said, "Do not do that, you will be fined 40s."—both were passenger trains.

Gray. You laid hold of Harvey and said, "Do not you say he has thrown any stones." Witness. I did not.

Parker. Harvey did not say we should be fined 40s. Mr. Ling put him up to say that.

JURY. Q. What time was there between the two trains? A. Not a minute and a half—I was on the bridge at the time—we had been watching three weeks continually—three men had been employed—they are both in good situations, and both have been well-conducted boys.

WALTER HARVEY . I am 14 years old, and live at 18, Charles Street, Deptford—I know the prisoners—on the Sunday evening I was on the railway bridge with them—I saw a train come along, and Parker said, "Here comes a train"—he and Gray, and another boy, picked up stones—Gray got on to the stone coping, and Parker on the iron, and as the train went through they threw down upon it—I told them not to throw stones, or they would be fined 40s.; another train came by at the same time, and they also threw at that—Gray's stone struck the funnel—the engine-driver shook his fist at them, and then two constables come up.

Gray. It never struck the funnel at all, and you never mentioned about 40s.; it was you who began to throw; you enticed us away from school. Witness. I did not throw any stones at the train; I threw one at the line along the bridge—I did not entice you from school.

Parker. I was going to school, and saw Harvey and another. He halloaed out, "Here comes a train," and the two constables came and seized your hand before the train had passed, and I dropped a stone down to show which way the trains went. Your mother told the policeman to mind and let you off.

JURY. Q. Did the policeman ask you any questions, or make any statement to you? A. He only asked me my name.

GEORGE THOMAS BRIDGES . I live at 29, High Street, Deptford—on the Sunday evening I was by this bridge, and saw Gray, and several other boys with him—Gray went on the iron bridge, and then on to the stone coping, and threw a large stone at the funnel of a down train—I followed the policeman, and saw Gray apprehended.

Gray's Defence. I am not guilty of it.

GUILTY.— Strongly recommended to mercy by the Jury and Prosecutors on account of their youth. Judgment respited; their parents becoming bail for their appearance next Session .

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Reference Numbert18680706-638
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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638. JOSEPH ALLISON (33), PLEADED GUILTY to five indictments for embezzling and stealing 12l. 4s. 6 1/2d., 12l. 13s. 9d., 12l. 9s. 8 1/2d., and other sums, of Henry William Airy, his master.— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment .—

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-639
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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639. WILLIAM MARTIN (23) , to embezzling and stealing 2s. 6d., 3s. 1 1/2d., and other sums, of Maurice Ballard, his master.— Twelve Months' Imprisonment .—And [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-640
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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640. THOMAS RICHARDS (28) , to stealing a pair of boots of William Henry Duffield .—He further PLEADED GUILTY to having been convicted on the 8th April, 1868.— Seven Years' Penal Servitude . [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-641
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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641. THOMAS BLAIR (42) , Embezzling and stealing 2s, the monies of Henry Meyers, his master.

MR. FLOOD conducted the Prosecution.

HENRY MEYERS . I am a clothier, at High Street, Deptford—the prisoner was in my employment as a salesman—on 4th July, for certain reasons, I requested a person named James Turner to go to my shop, and make a

purchase, about 11.40—I saw him go, and afterwards saw him again—I then went and told the prisoner that he had sold a coat for 10s., and only entered it on the sheet as 8s.—I asked him for an explanation—he said, "I hare put the 2s. in my pocket"—he took out a half-crown, and naked me to take 2s. out of it—I refused to do so—I gave him into custody—the price marked on the coat was 8s.

JOSEPH TURNER (Policeman R 88). My brother resides at Deptford—I instructed him to go to Mr. Meyer's shop—I took the prisoner into custody—he said, "I sold the coat for 10s., and put the 2s. in my pocket"—then he took out 2s. 6d., and handed it to Mr. Meyers to take it out of that.

Prisoners Defence. I acknowledge putting the 2s. in my pocket—I sold the coat for 10s., and took half a sovereign—I had another entry to make at the time—I copied the price from the ticket on to the sheet—the ticket was marked 8s.—I had no intention of putting that money to my own use.

COUTRT to JAMES TURNER. Q. What did you give for the coat? A. 10s.—the price he told me, was 10s. 6d.

JURY to HENRY MEYERS. Q. Do you ever sell for a higher figure than is marked on the things? A. Oh, yes.


6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-642
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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642. JOHN WINTER (34), PLEADED GUILTY ** to burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Richard Graves, and stealing therein twelve spoons, and other articles, his property, having been before convicted, in November, 1866.— Seven Years' Penal Servitude .


Before Mr. Recorder.

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-643
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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643. GEORGE STONE (39), PLEADED GUILTY to unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.— Nine Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-644
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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644. JOHN SMITH (22), was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. POLAND and STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM PYWELL . I am a surgeon, at 244, Westminster Bridge Road—on 29th May, between 8 and 9 at night, the prisoner came and asked for an ounce of lint, which would be 6d., and tendered a counterfeit crown piece—I tried it, ascertained it was bad, and detained it—I told him it was bad; he made no reply—I gave him into custody—he was taken to the station, and afterwards examined, remanded, and discharged—I gave the crown piece to the constable.

CHARLES HOUGHTON (Policeman L 78). The prisoner was given into my custody, with the crown which I produce—he gave the name of John Latham—he said he got the crown from a gentleman by selling him two post of flowers.

ELIXABETH MCINTOSH . I live at the Three Tuns, 87, High Street, Borough—on 18th June, about 5.0 or 5.15, the prisoner came for a glass of six ale, and paid with a bad half-crown—I took it to my master, who gave him into custody.

WILLIAM LEARING . I keep the Three Tuns—last witness brought me the half crown; it was bad—I asked the prisoner where he got it—he said "Some gentleman gave it me"—I gave him into custody, and gave the half-crown to the constable, and saw him mark it.

JAMES BRADBURY (Policeman M 203). The prisoner was given in my

custody, with this half-crown—I asked where he got it—he made no answer—I found 4d. in half-pence upon him.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . I am Inspector of Coin to the Mint—this crown and half-crown are both bad.

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Imprisonment .

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Reference Numbert18680706-645
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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645. EDWARD TAYLOR (16), was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. POLAND and STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution; and MR. PATER the Defence.

EDWARD LODGE .—I live not 3, New Street, Clapham—on the night of 27th May, near 9, I was assisting at the Windmill public-house, Clapham Common—the prisoner come in for a pot of beer, and paid me with a half-crown—I put it in the till—there was no other there—I gave him his change, and he went outside, taking his beer with him—Mrs. Rolls, who was by, went to the till, and said, "This is a bad half-crown"—I went outside, but could not see the prisoner—about half an hour afterwards I was called—I saw him, and said, "That is the man that passed the bad half-crown to me"—he was then in front of the bar.

Cross-examined. Q. How long after you had taken the half-crown was prisoner's attention called to it? A. It might have been two or three minutes—there were a great many persons at the bar, but I speak with certainty to the prisoner.

EMILY ROLLS . I am the wife of William Rolls—I was at the Windmill on 27th May—I saw Mr. Lodge serve the prisoner, and put a bad half-crown in the till—I saw it was bad—I took it out immediately, it was the only half-crown there—I put it on a shelf by itself—I saw the prisoner leave with the beer—I saw him again about an hour afterwards in custody—I saw Mr. Dan Rolls take the half-crown from the shelf.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you see the half-crown was bad the moment it was tendered? A. Yes, as he was looking at it, before he put it in the till—I said to Mr. Lodge, "That is a bad half-crown"—I don't know whether he had given change—he immediately went out after the prisoner.

DANIEL ROLLS . I live with my brother, who keeps the Windmill—on the evening of 27th May my sister pointed out the half-crown to me, and put it on the shelf—the prisoner came in afterwards for a glass of ale, and put down a half-crown to Day—I told Day to look at it, and he said it was bad—we immediately collared the prisoner—I took the other half-crown from the shelf, marked it, and gave it to the constable.

Cross-examined. Q. There were other customers at the bar? Yes, about 150—I was in the bar on the first occasion, but did not see the prisoner served.

CHARLES DAY . I am a gardener and florist, at Acton—on 27th May, I was assisting at the Windmill—between 9 and 10 in the evening, the prisoner came in and called for a glass of ale, and tendered me a half-crown—I said, "This is another bad one," and I put my hand across and took him immediately—Mr. Rolls came, and afterwards a constable—Mr. Lodge said, "That is the man that gave me the half-crown"—the prisoner said he had not been there before"—he was taken into custody, and I gave the constable the half-crown I had received.

Cross-examined. Q. Did he not say he was not aware it was bad? A. No.

THOMAS COLE (Policeman U 222). I took the prisoner in custody, and

received these two half-crowns—I searched the prisoner at the station, and found on him two good half-crowns and three metal tickets—the sergeant asked him his address—he said he had not got any address.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These half-crowns are both bad.

GUILTY .— Six Months' Imprisonment .

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Reference Numbert18680706-646
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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646. WILLIAM GOLDSMITH (28), was indicted for a like offence.

MEARSS. POLAND and STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution.

HENRY BOND . I keep the Albion, in Lower Kennington Lane—on 5th June, the prisoner came for half-a-pint of porter, and tendered a bad florin in payment—I looked at it, and said it was bad—this is it; I can swear to it by this dent on the edge—I rang it on the counter; and, as I rang it, the prisoner took it up and put it in his pocket—he abused me slightly after that—a constable happened to be in the bar at the time; and as he went out, I told the constable to take him in charge, and he followed him—this florin was shewn to me next-day by Monk and Ash.

PETER BECKMAN (Policeman L 145). I was at Mr. Bond's on this evening—as I was entering the door I saw Mr. Bond throw this piece on the counter, and the prisoner snatch it up—Mr. Bond said, "It is a bed one, have you got a penny?"—he said, "No; I have only got a half-penny: give me a half-penny worth"—he also said, "You don't suppose I should offer you a bad one, seeing a constable in the house"—he then said, "I will sell it; give me 15d. for it"—I said, "Would you not take 9d.?"—he said, "Yes"—I wanted to get it, and offered the 9d., but he would not give it up—he walked out—after he had got outside Mr. Bond said something to me, and I followed him—I was three or four yards behind him till we came to the corner of Pleasant Place—he turned up there, and by the time I got to the corner he was returning back again—he had passed the low wall, over which the 2s. piece was afterwards found—he crossed the road and went down Early Road, a little in advance of me—Ash was at the corner of Early Road, and he said to me, "I have seen him swallow the 2s. piece—the prisoner said, "How could I swallow a 2s. piece; that is all you know about it"—I then took him to the station—he wanted water, and said, "I must have some"—he spoke as if he was choking for the want of it—I gave him some—he drank it with difficulty—I afterwards received this florin from Sergeant Wells.

Prisoner. Did I follow you into the house? Witness. No; you were inside as I came to the door—I did not see you throw anything away, or swallow anything.

GEORGE ASH . I was in the Albion when the prisoner was there—when he went out, I followed him down Pleasant Row—I lost sight of him for a minute—after that he came book—I told the constable to follow him up—he went on as far as the Early Road—I saw him put his hand in his trousers pocket, take out a florin, hold it up, and turn round, put it in his mouth, and then clap his throat—that was just before he was taken into custody, while the policeman was following him—it was when he had turned back, after passing the wall—on the following day Monk showed me this florin with the dent in it, which I had seen on the counter—I went with him to Mr. Bond, and he recognized it instantly.

Prisoner. Then you swear I swallowed the one I tendered? Witness. No; I did not swear so before the Magistrate—I did not say that I would

have all such d——vagabonds as you hung; I said I would follow you and not lose sight of you.

JOHN MONK . I am a lamp lighter, and live at 33, Barrack Street, Vauxhall—on Saturday, 6th June, I was cleaning the lamps at the corner of Pleasant Row, Kennington Lane; some children asked me to look over the wall for a hat, I looked over and saw a 2s. piece lying there, in a yard—I got over and got it—Ash was going by, and I showed it to him, and we went and showed it to Mr. Bond, and I afterwards gave it to the inspector, at the station.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This is a bad florin.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "It was impossible for Ash to have seen me swallow a piece at the distance of twelve yards; if I swallowed anything he could not have seen what it was, and if I had thrown one away I might have thrown away two. The constable says I had every chance of throwing away one; besides it was not found till Saturday."

Prisoner's Defence. I can't account for coming in possession of the 2s. piece, further than by changing a sovereign or half-sovereign which I got on the Saturday previous at Mr. Myers', where I was at work. I have always got my living honestly. I gave my right name and address.

PETER BECKMAN (re-examined). I found it was a common brothel, where he had been living with a prostitute.

GUILTY .— Nine Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-647
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment

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647. THOMAS JOHNSON (30), and CHARLES FRANCIS (28), PLEADED GUILTY to burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Allan Smith, and stealing ten spoons and other articles. FRANCIS also PLEADED GUILTY to a former conviction on 26th February, 1864— Five Years' Penal Servitude . JOHNSON— Twelve Month' Imprisonment .

Before Lord Chief Justice Bodill.

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-648
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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648. GEORGE LOCKYER (19), was indicted for feloniously killing and slaying Augusta Phoebe Crown. He was also charged on the Coroner's Inquisition with the like offence.

MR. DALY conducted the Prosecution; and MR. RIBTON the Defence.

EMANUEL HENRY BAILEY . I live at 2, Lancaster Road, Lower Norwood—on 24th June, the prisoner was employed papering a bed room in my house—I was sitting in my parlour, and heard the report of a gun, not in my house, some little distance off—I then heard some person rushing into my house violently—I went into the hall, and saw the prisoner there with his hand to his forehead—he said, "My God, sir, come and help me, I have shot a girl"—I went with him to No. 4, Lancaster Villas, and there I saw a little girl, dead—the prisoner asked me what was to be done—I said "I should get a policeman—a policeman afterwards came.

Cross-examined. Q. What was the prisoner doing at your house? A. Papering bed rooms—his master had sent him, I suppose—I believe he is an apprentice—he had only been that one day at my house on thin occasion—he had been papering there about a month or two before—the little girl was about 12 years of age—the prisoner seemed very much distressed indeed.

WILLIAM OLIVE . I am a labourer, and live at 11, Heath Grove, Penge—the deceased was my step-daughter—her name was Augusta Phoebe Chown—she was about twelve years of age, and was employed to mind the children at Mr. Welch's—I saw her dead.

DAVID VELCH . I am a gardener, and live at 4, Lancaster Villas—the gun in question was not mine; it was in my possession—I had loaded it myself, and I left it loaded in the kitchen, at the back part of the house—I employed the deceased girl to take care of my children—she was in my house that day—the prisoner lodged with me—he had not had the slightest quarrel with the girl, to my knowledge—I was not there at the time it happened.

Cross-examined. Q. How long was he lodging at your house? A. About two months, off and on—the gun had been loaded in the Whitsun week—I stood it in the back kitchen—I had forgotten that I left it loaded—it was standing in the corner all that time—the prisoner had to opportunity of seeing it—it was a very old gun.

RICHARD SMITH (Policeman P 175). The prisoner told me that the little girl came and called him in to have his tea; that he went into the back kitchen to wash his hands; he saw the gun standing in the corner; he took it up, and presented it to her, and said, "I will shoot you."

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate was read as follows: "It Is all true. I did not shoot her for the purpose; I did not know the gun was loaded."

The CHIEF JUSTICE left it to the Jury to say whether, in their opinion, the prisoner was guilty of culpable negligence in what he did; if so, it would amount to manslaughter, but if it was a mere accident and inadvertence, it would be hard to visit it upon the prisoner; the person seriously in fault was the man who left the gun loaded.


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Reference Numbert18680706-649
VerdictGuilty > pleaded part guilty

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649. JOHN WHITE (16) , Rape on Martha Loveday . He PLEADED GUILTY to the attempt.— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment .

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-650
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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650. EDWARD SWONNELL (36), PLEADED GUILTY to unlawfully producing and tendering to Charles Tacon and others, six pockets of hops, bearing the trade mark of John Abbott, with intent to defraud.— Two Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-651
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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651. HENRY WATSON (18) , Robbery with others on Elizabeth Bevan, and stealing a bundle of linen, her property.

MR. WOOOD conducted the Prosecution.

ELIZABETH BEAVAN . I am a widow, and live at 8, John Street, Borough—on Saturday, 29th June, at 9.45, I was in the Southwark Bridge Road, going towards the railway arch—I had a bundle of linen with me—I saw the prisoner and another man coming up to me—the prisoner snatched the bundle from my hand—I was knocked down and kicked, and then they ran away, the prisoner carrying the bundle—I cried out "Stop thief"—I saw a policeman—the prisoner ran towards him—as soon as I recovered myself I went to the station and found the man in custody—I did not recover the bundle.

Prisoner. I never saw the old woman with the parcel.

HENRY BARKER (Policeman M 223). About 9.45 on this night I was on duty near the railway arches, and heard a cry of "Stop thief"—I saw the prisoner running with a bundle under his right arm—I went after him under the arches—he was followed by another man—the prisoner threw the bundle down, and he pocked it up and went off—I caught the prisoner and took him to the station—the prosecutrix came in and looked at him, and

said, "Oh, you vagabond, you are the one that took my bundle away"—the prisoner did not say anything.

GUILTY.** Eighteen Months' Imprisonment .

6th July 1868
Reference Numbert18680706-652
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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652. MARY DELEE (21) , Feloniously setting fire to the dwelling-house of Alfred Newton Mell, certain persons being therein.

MESSRS. M. WILLIAMS and STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution; and MR. COOPER the Defence.

ALFRED NEWTON MELL . I live at 11, Osborne Terrace, Clapham—the prisoner was in my service for five days—on 29th May, I went to business at 8.15, and left my wife and children at home; one of my children is twoand-a-half years old, and the other a little one in arms; I had a nurse who had been with me since November—I was sent for at 1 o'clock, and got home at 1.20—I found my house in the possession of the police and firemen—I went over the premises, and in the lumber room found a portion of a hamper which had been burnt, and some charred straw—that was on the ground floor—there was also some fire-wood there not burnt—it had no business there—under the kitchen stairs I found two old chairs, two or three bundles of fire-wood, some tinder-paper and rags, all up together in a heap—the chairs were charred through, and part of the wood burnt—there were marks on the stairs such as would be produced by a candle being held to them—I then went on to the drawing room stairs—the banisters were split as if done with a knife, in two places, and there were marks of a candle—there were pieces of candle sticking in the wood—I found a hole in the wall, a little higher up, with matches and candle—it was only big enough to put two or three fingers in; it did not go through the wall—there were marks of burning round the hole—I went into the drawing room—I had locked the door in the morning when I opened the window—there were no signs of burning then—in the bed room the bed was all burnt, and the hangings on one side—I saw this candle (produced) found in the bed room—we have gas all over the house, and never use candles—when the prisoner came I had not time to go for her character—her former employer, Mr. Monnery, where.

Cross-examined. Q. How many servants had you? A. Only one when I took this place—I have not been in England a year—it is an eight or ten roomed house, with cellars underneath—I saw the prisoner in the parlor—I do not recollect asking her anything about it then—after I had seen it all, I asked her if she knew anything about the fire—she said she knew nothing about it—I had a servant before her, but she was only with me a month—she left a few days before the prisoner came—my other servant was with us when we were in lodgings, and moved with us to this house—she came to us in November.

EMILY HOLTON . I am nurse in the service of Mr. Mell—on 29th May, about 11.30, I heard knocks at the street door—I was going down stairs, and noticed smoke coming up the staircase—I called out, "Where does this smoke come from"—there was no answer—I went up, and ran to Mrs. Mell's bedroom—the little boy was with her—the baby was in the nursery—I was down stairs at 10.45, in the kitchen—I went up stairs, but saw no signs of fire there—I ran down stairs with the baby, and found the little boy on the landing, by the drawing room door, playing with the handle—it was locked then—I then passed through the hall, and went into the street—the hall was full of smoke—I had seen the prisoner last at 10.45,

she was then in the kitchen with me—I spoke to her again at 11.30—she had gone to mistress's bedroom with a cup of cocoa—that was before I saw the smoke—about the time I went into the street, I saw a gentleman carrying a basket of flaming straw—he threw it out of the door—I saw the prisoner bring some clothes to the door, and throw them out—I saw her in the dining-room first, after the fire—I said, "I wonder how this happened"—she said, "I don't know"—I went and looked in the coalcellar, and found it full of smoke—that was under the lumber room—I afterwards went to the drawing-room, and found that full of smoke—upstairs, I found a chair burning by the side of the fireplace—there was no fire in the grate—I had been in my bedroom in the morning; it was all safe then—about 4 or 5 o'clock I went in again, and saw my dressinggown lying across the bed, with a hole burnt in it—the bed was scorched at the foot.

Cross-examined. Q. What were you in the house? A. Nurse—I do the bedrooms, and attend to the children—the prisoner was cook—she had been there a very short time—she seemed an obliging girl—I was very little with her—she was very excited at the time of the fire, and so was I—no one lodges in the house besides my master and his wife—the prisoner had no complaint made against her by her master and mistress, that I am aware of.

THOMAS FARMER (Policeman W R 12). About 12 on the afternoon in question I went to 11, Osborne Terrace—the prisoner let me in—I asked her if the fire was out; she said "Yes"—I went to a room on the ground floor, and found some straw which had been alight, and some on fire—in a cupboard I found marks of fire—on the first floor I found part of a rug burnt through—on the second floor I found the hangings of the bed burnt, and the clothes on fire—that was after she had told me the fire was out—I put them out—a gentleman named Cooper was there—he fetched some water and helped to put it out—the prisoner came up after I had put the fire out and said, "I know nothing about it"—I had said nothing to her previously—that was on the landing.

Cross-examined. Q. Who were on the landing when she came up? A. Mr. Cooper and myself—we were talking of the fire, and she came up and said, "I know nothing about it"—I put no questions to her.

EDWARD HEYLEN . I am an architect, and live next door to the prosecutor, at 12, Osborne Terrace—my attention was called to his house—I looked over the wall and saw smoke—I got over and went into the house—the smoke was coming from a wing of the house—I went into the basement and saw the prisoner in one of the rooms below, doing some work—I said "Do you know the house is on fire?"—she said "No"—I said "Well it is, and show me where the water is and I will help to put it out"—it was sometime in the forenoon, I don't know exactly the time—I went up stairs and the prisoner went with me—I took up a pail of water—I opened the lumber room door and threw in the water as quick as I could, it was fall of smoke but I could see no flames—I called in two or three men to get some more water, and as I threw some more into the lumber room I saw a flicker of fire in a basket of straw—I went in and took up the hamper and threw it into the street—it was burning then—I went to the front drawing room and found an easy chair burning—the room was open then—the chair was standing by itself, a little way from the fireplace—I also found some clothes burning, and when I went down I asked the prisoner if she had taken those clothes upstairs—she said "No"—I

afterwards went into the kitchen again, and there saw Mr. Cooper and two other men throwing water into a closet—I saw some small pieces of charred wood taken out of the closet—I went up into the bed room some-time after, and found a hole burnt in the counterpane—I also found a hole in the wall on the staircase, which was charred round—I found the fire in the bed room after I had been in the house about half an hour—when I first went into the house I met two women coming down the front stairs with some clothes in their arms—one was the nurse, and the other I did not know.

Cross-examined. Q. When you went into the bed room, were the things burning, or had they been extinguished? A. They were still smouldering—the prisoner was crying a good deal—I think she told me that the chair was on fire in the drawing room.

GEORGE COOPER. I am a greengrocer, at 1, Dorset Street, Clapham Road—about 11.30 on the day in question I stopped at 11, Osborne Terrace, and the door was open by the last witness—he said something to me and I went in and helped—I have heard the description he has given of the fire, it is correct—I did all I could to extinguish it—I was there two hours—the prisoner was helping me—she told me not to open the door for the fireman, as her master would have to pay.

JOHN DAY . I am a fireman—about 11.45 I went to 11, Osborne Terrace—I found nine different places where there were fires—I examined the banisters—there were pieces split out of them as if to burn quicker, and the remains of a paraffin candle on them—I found some candle in the prisoner's bed room, on the mantleshelf, in a sort of cup.

THOMAS BRADY (Police Inspector W). On Friday, 29th June, about 11.30, I was called to 11, Osborne Terrace—I went in and found the place in confusion—I went over the premises—the ceiling of the lumber room was as black as if a candle had been held against it—I saw the prisoner and asked her who discovered the fire; she said she did, and that she communicated it to Mrs. Mell—I asked her whether she knew anything about it, and she said "I don't, sir, I am sure; a gentleman next door called my attention to it"—I told her I was an inspector—she said "What should I want to set the house on fire for? if I had wanted to do it I should have done it in the night, and not in the day"—on the way to the station she asked Mr. Mell if she was to be locked up all night, and I said "If the Magistrate is sitting you will be tried now"—the roof of the lumber room is very low, there is not room for a person to stand up.

JANE STONES . I am female searcher at Clapham Police Station—I searched the prisoner when she was brought in—I found three lucifer matches loose in her pocket, one had been struck and two not—I asked her what they were there for; she said she carried them to light candles with.

Cross-examined. Q. They are common matches, I suppose? A. Yes.

COURT to THOMAS BRADY. Q. What time did you take her in custody? A. About 4.30—I was making inquiries, I was not in the house at the time—I was in the house about three hours.

COURT to EMILY HOLTEN. Q. You say you were down stairs in the kitchen at 10.45, and there were no signs of fire; from that time, where had you been? A. In the nursery with the children—I had not left the nursery floor at all during that time—I had not seen the prisoner.

GUILTY She was further charged with having been before convicted.

ROBERT HANNAN (Policeman N 172). I produce a certificate of the

conviction of Mary Coleman, in May, 1866, for stealing two shawls—the prisoner is the person who was convicted in that name—she was sentenced to twelve months' imprisonment.


There was another indictment against the prisoner for robbing her former master, JOHN WILLIAM MONNERY. who stated that while in his service a fire occurred at his house, and that several articles had been stolen from him, and that she entered his service by means of a false character.— Fifteen Years' Penal Servitude .


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