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Sessions Paper.








Short-hand Writers to the Court,








Law Publishers to the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty.



On the Queen's Commission of



The city of London





Held on Monday, January 28th, 1867, and following days,

BEFORE THE RIGHT HON. SIR THOMAS GABRIEL, Bart., LORD MAYOR of the City of London; Sir JOHN BARNARD BYLES, Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Common Pleas; Sir HENRY SINGER KEATING, Knt., one other of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Common Pleas; Sir FRANCIS GRAHAM MOON, Bart., F.S.A. JOHN CARTER , Esq., F.R.S. and F.S.A., and WARREN STORMES HALE, Esq, Aldermen of the said City; the Right Hon. RUSSELL GURNET, Q.C., M.P., Recorder of the said City; WILLIAM FERNELEY ALLEN, Esq., ROBEBT BESLEY, Esq., and JOSEPH CAUSTON, Esq., Aldermen of the said City; and THOMAS CHAMBERS, Esq., Q.C., M.P., Common Serjeant of the said City; Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer, and General Gaol delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.









A star (*) denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars (**) that they have been more than once in custody—an obelisk (†) that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.


OLD COURT.—Monday, November 28th, 1867.

Before Mr. Recorder.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-925
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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925. JOHN BOLAND (31) was indicted for feloniously forging and uttering a receipt for 1l. 6s., with intent to defraud.

MR. POLAND conducted the Prosecution, and MR. RIBTON the Defence.

JANE WILKINSON. I am the wife of William Wilkinson, of 23, Portland Road, Notting Hill, professor of music—in May last my husband was sued in the County Court by a person named Manton for 2l. 3s. 1d, and 10s. costs—the first instalment, 1l. 6s. 7d., was paid by my husband on 5th June—I had some conversation with the prisoner about the payment of the second instalment—he called accidentally at my house the day before it ought to be paid into Court—I was ill at the tine, and did not see him—I sent the money down to him by my daughter into the drawing-room—I gave her 1l. 8s. 1d.—I saw the prisoner that same evening, or it might have been the next—I asked him if he had paid it in—he said; "Yes, it is paid in and all right"—I then asked him for my receipt—he said he had it at home, and I should have that likewise—I gave him this paper at the time I sent the money down by my daughter—an execution was afterwards put in from the County Court—I saw the prisoner again that evening or the day after on my door steps—I called him to me at the window, "Mr. Boland, a pretty mess you have made of the County Court summons; you have never paid it in; the consequence was that, as we were going to dinner to-day, an officer from the County Court came to put an execution in, and I have had to pay the money over a second time"—he said that it had been paid in, and that it was a mistake of the clerk's, or a mistake of the County Court—I asked him if I could have the receipt—he said yes, it should come

in with other receipts—he afterwards remarked that we were not to inquire at the County Court, as the clerk would get into trouble, perhaps lose his situation—he afterwards brought me this paper, in the same state in which it is now—I paid the amount of the execution—it was 1l. 10s. 6d., it is dated 23rd July—when I gave it to the prisoner there was no signature to the second instalment (Read:—"June 4th, 1l. 6s. 7d., W. Bedwell. 13th, 1l. 6s. and 1s. 6d., W. Bedwell")—the prisoner said he had got me an extra week for the second instalment to be paid, and for which the 1s. 6d. was to be paid.

Cross-examined. Q. I believe Mr. Wilkinson and the prisoner have had a great many money transactions? A. They have had several, extending over three or four years—when I asked him if he had paid in the money he said, "It is paid in; it is all right."

JESSIE WILKINSON. I am the daughter of the last witness—I remember the prisoner calling at our house—he offered to take the money and pay it into the County Court for me—he said it was 1l. 6s. 7d. and 1l. 6d.—he did not say what the 1s. 6d. was for—my mother was ill and in bed at the time—I went up to her—I don't remember this paper—I gave the prisoner whatever the paper was that she gave me, and 1l. 8s. 1d. in money—he said he would pay it into the County Court—he left, taking the paper and money with him.

Cross-examined. Q. What was the 1s. 6d. for? A. He did not say—I brought him down 1l. 6s. 7d., and he said there was 18d. over, and I went back and got it—I believe the payment was a week late.

WILLIAM BEDWELL. I am a clerk in the Marylebone County Court, Middlesex—this paper is an order for payment by instalments in an action of Munton v. Wilkinson by consent of the parties—the first instalment was paid on 5th June—my signature is to that payment—I signed it when the money was paid—the "W. Bedwell" to the second instalment of 1l. 6s. and 18d. is not mine—it was not written by my authority; it is not the writing of any person in the office—I issued the execution in this matter for the second instalment—this is the receipt of the officer of the County Court for the amount—no extra time could be obtained by payment of 18d.—the order of the Court was to pay the second instalment at the end of twenty-eight days.

Cross-examined. Q. What is the date of the second payment? A. The 13th July; it ought to have been paid on the 3rd—there is no fine for not paying the instalment at the proper time—there appears to be a pencil note in the ledger, "Will pay on 13th July"—some one had called—the, memorandum is in the writing of Mr. Cousens, one of the clerks—I do not know a person of the name of Channing, clerk to the prisoner—Mr. Cousens receives money in my absence; he would not sign my name—any clerk receiving money would sign his own name.

WILLIAM WILKINSON. I was the defendant in the action of Munton v. Wilkinson—my wife managed this matter—I had no conversation with the prisoner about it.

Cross-examined. Q. Had he a great many transactions with you? A. Yes—I think he was at this time jointly liable with me upon bills to some considerable amount, not to the amount of 100l.—he was the drawer of the bills, and I was the acceptor, and I suppose he got them discounted—(looking at a list) these are private debts—the first one I don't remember—as far as I can judge, I should think that list is right—Mrs. Wilkinson will give you more about it, she understands it better that I

do—I have a slight doubt about the first amount, 36l.—this course of business has been going on for some years—I paid the first instalment myself, in good time—I did not appear in the County Court; judgment went by default—I was going to pay the second instalment, and he said, "Don't do it; I am going by, and I will pay it for you"—some time after this I was in difficulties, and contemplated a composition deed—I can scarcely answer whether the prisoner was one of my largest creditors; I don't know what I owed him—I should not call him a creditor—he did not refuse to sign the deed, he signed it—Mrs. Wilkinson will tell you how he came to sign it—I scarcely understand these things, I am out so much.

MR. POLAND. Q. Have you paid all the amounts in that list? A. I am not sure about it—I employed the prisoner to get sums of money when we wanted them, and for that purpose he drew and I accepted—I am not sure whether the bills were running at this time—I suppose he paid himself for his services—I can't say whether I had received the money upon all these bills; my wife can tell you all about it.

JANE WILKINSON (re-examined). My husband was indebted to the prisoner at this time upon certain bills—there were two bills, and likewise at the time of the County Court affair a loan was obtained to meet a bill, for which Mr. Boland drew or signed as security—there were three bills then, but nothing like the amount of 100l.—my husband had received the money upon two of the bills for 20l. each, not on the third, the prisoner was at that time trying to get us the loan—I never paid him a sixpence for anything he did—I have often asked him how we were to pay him back, and he has said, "I shall never charge you anything; wait till all is finished and then we shall see"—my husband had two sums of 20l. each—the prisoner got nothing out of that to my knowledge—we did not get the whole 20l.; he brought me rather less—if I remember right the bilk were drawn for that amount.

MR. RIBTON, for the Defence, called;

THOMAS NOBBS. I am a clerk—I am out of employment at present—I was employed by Mr. Boland for about eighteen months—he is a general agent, and negotiates many transactions for persons who are in want of it—I know a person named Channing who was in his service—he used to serve writs or anything of that sort, or do his business in any shape or form that was required—early in July I remember seeing Channing at the prisoner's—we were there together—I saw the prisoner hand him some money—I can't say exactly the amount, but money passed, with instructions for him to go to the County Court and pay it—I believe Channing left for that purpose—he absconded some time after that—I don't know where he is—I had known him there between four and five months—I have seen him write—I have no belief about the signature of Bedwell to the second instalment; I don't know the writing at all—it is very similar to Channing's writing; there is a little alteration from his general writing—he generally joins his initial to his surname, the same as this is—that is the only thing I can recognise in it—the figure 6 bears a strong resemblance to his; he always made a 6 with a long stroke, the same as this.

Cross-examined. Q. I suppose Mr. Boland has had great experience in County Court proceedings? A. Oh, yes—Channing has been gone, I think, about four or five months; four it may be—I could not say exactly the time; it is between four and five months—I could not say positively—it is

not so long as six—it was on 12th July that this money was given to Channing—I remember the date because we were there together at Mr. Boland's office; we were not always there together—Channing was not there long; he was between four and five months in Mr. Boland's service—I could not say exactly the time he came, not the month—he was not constantly going to the County Court to pay money; I don't remember his going many times—I was not before the Magistrate; I was there, but not called—a solicitor appeared for the prisoner—when he gave the money to Channing he said, "Take this money to the County Court and bring me the receipt"—I know what money it was—it was 1l. 8s. 1d, or about 1l. 8s., or something like it; I could not say exactly—I know money was paid to him by Mr. Boland; I could not say exactly the amount—I was busy making out papers—it was the Marylebone County Court—there a little similarity in the signature of Bedwell to Channing's writing, not much—I know Channing's genuine signature—(looking at a paper)—that is more like his writing; I believe that to be his—the only similarity in Bed well's signature is the joining of the initial of the Christian name to the surname—I know the prisoner's writing; I see no similarity in it to his.

COURT. Q. You say you are sure it was between four and five months ago that Channing left? A. I could not say positively; it was between four and five—I am sure of that.

MR. RIBTON Q. But you said this money was handed to him in July? A. Yes; he was at the office about that time, but he absconded soon after—if I said he absconded between four and five months ago, that is mistake—I was sure it was on 12th July that I saw him at the office, when he was sent to the County Court—he disappeared within three or four days after that.


28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-926
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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926. JOHN BOLAND was again indicted for feloniously forging and uttering a receipt for 27l. 10s., with intent to defraud.

MR. POLAND conducted the Prosecution, and MR. RIBTON the Defence.

JANE WILKINSON. This bill for 20l., dated the 14th June, was brought to me by the prisoner—it is signed by him—he left it with me for my husband to sign—it bears my husband's acceptance, now drawn by the prisoner at one month—I gave the bill to prisoner after my husband had signed it—about the time it became due he came about its being taken up—I told him we could not do it at present, and asked him to see Mr. Stevenson for me and ask for a little extra time—Mr. Stevenson keeps public-house close to us—the prisoner said Mr. Stevenson had advanced the money—he came back, and said Mr. Stevenson would not wait—I said I did not know how we were possibly to get 20l. together—he said, "It must be done, or Mr. Stevenson will issue writs, and there will not be one, but three"—I said, "Then Mr. Stevenson must do it, and we mud get over the matter as well as we can"—the next day or the day after he came back and said that the writs had been sent down to his house, with 7l. 10s. to pay—I said I was sure I did not know where to get the 27l. 10s. from, and all I could think of was to go to a loan office; that Mr. Bailey, my grocer, with whom I dealt for a great number of years, would stand security for it—I saw the prisoner again on our doorstep the same evening that I questioned him about the County Court affair—I asked him whether the loan office would grant it, and he said

yes, they would—I saw him again the same time, or within a day or so, and he said he had paid Mr. Stevenson—I said, "Then will you come in and bring me all receipts, the County Court receipt, and Mr. Stevenson's receipt for this 27l. 10s.? "—an evening was arranged when my husband should be in the house at seven o'clock to receive these things—I was resent, and we sat down at the table together—the prisoner first of all handed me these two copies of the writs produced, and said, You had better burn them, Mrs. Wilkinson"—he did not say why—he said, "Don't have them in your possession"—that was all, and from his saying that I rather thought I should like to keep them—he at the same time gave me: this receipt of Mr. Lamb's for 27l. 10s., saying, "There is the receipt for the money"—I said, "Is it all done with? with regard to Mr. Stevenson, is it all paid up? "—he said, "Yes, it is all right, "and I believed it to be so—one of the writs is against my husband, and one against Mr. Thompson—I have never seen Mr. Thompson—I have only heard there is such a person—I don't at all know why a writ had been issued against him. (The bill was dated June 14, 1867, drawn by J. Boland on William Wilkinson for 2l. for one month, accepted W. Wilkinson, not endorsed. The receipt was dated July 20, 1867, received of Mr. J. Boland, 27l. 10s., in full demand of debt and costs, signed Douglass Lamb.)

Cross-examined. Q. Was that 201. bill discounted in the ordinary way in which he had been in the habit of doing? A. Yes; at the time he took it from me he said it must be paid when it came to maturity—he called before it came due, to give us notice of it, and he then said Mr. Stevenson would require the money—it was through him we obtained the loan—I believe it was for 31l. 10s. 6d.—I believe he was one of the securities for it—we paid that back in a lump, one day last week—I paid the fall amount in sovereigns and notes—when we obtained the money a bill was given at the loan office—the bill was for 27l. 10s.—the loan was 31l. 10s. 6d.—the prisoner did not give me the difference—I ever received anything out of it—the loan office deducted their interest—we just got enough to pay Mr. Stevenson—I don't know that the prisoner paid 10s. out of it for an inventory—10s. was left at my door, which he had promised to return along with the County Court money—I have heard of a person named Masters, I never saw him—the prisoner told me when he brought me the receipts that he had obtained 20l. from Masters for two or three days to stop Stevenson, and in order to give time to the loan office—it was entirely without my authority—I don't remember when it was he said he had obtained that 20l.—he brought me Mr. Lamb's receipt the same evening that he brought the County Court receipt—I don't know whether it was some day subsequent to the 20th—he generally paid me in money when I gave him bills—I am not sure whether there may not have been one cheque of his own—these transactions have been going on between us for three or four years.

MR. POLAND. Q. How much did you get on your original bill that Mr. Stevenson discounted? A. I did not get the full amount—I am not sure whether it was 3l. or 4l. short of the 20l.—I think it was paid to myself into my own hand—I feel sure of it—I know it was a little short of the sum, and something was said about Mr. Stevenson himself being short of money at the time, and that the prisoner would give it to me from time to time.

EDMUND STEVENSON. I keep the Prince of Wales, Notting Hill—I discounted this bill about the time it is dated for the prisoner—I gave

him 20l. for it—he came to me when it became due, and said he could not pay me then, I must wait a few days longer—he came and brought me the 20l. about six days after the bill was due, I think, and paid me the remainder of the money, 3l. 10s., and that settled the account—I can't tell when that was—that was for interest—I gave the bill to Mr. Wilkinson, or rather he came to me—I received all the money from the prisoner—I don't know Mr. Lamb, of Southampton Buildings—I did not instruct him or any one to sue on that bill—I know Mr. Wilkinson very well—I did not refuse the prisoner to give further time for payment—he asked me for six days, and he had it.

Cross-examined. Q. You told him you must have your money, did not you? A. I told him nothing of the kind; I will swear that—I did not tell him I wanted the money for a person named Cowland, a builder—I know Cowland, and have had transactions with him these three years—I was indebted to him at the time he was building for me—I did not tell the prisoner I must have the money, as I wanted to pay Cowland—I did not tell him I wanted the payment of a bill to meet 300l.—I will swear that—I shall not answer whether I was pressed by Cowland at that time; I think it very hard that my private matters should be brought here—the prisoner paid me the 20l. at the end of the six days—I have had a great many transactions with him—I have discounted some bills for him; I can't say how many—I can't say how soon after he paid me the 20l. he paid me the 3l. 10s.—I can't say whether it was a month after or two months—I am quite satisfied it was not three or four months—the 3l. 10s. was interest on the 20l. for one month and six days—I had discounted bills for Mr. Wilkinson before through the prisoner.

ARCHIBALD DOUGLAS LAMB. I am a solicitor, of 43, Southampton Buildings—I was not instructed by Mr. Stevenson to sue on the 20l. bill—these copies of writs were not issued by me in an action on this bill against Wilkinson or Thompson—I know nothing whatever about them—they were not written by any one in my office—I know nothing whatever about the bill—this receipt signed Douglas Lamb is not signed by me or by my authority—I used generally to sign in that way, but I have altered my signature, and use my other name, Archibald—I never received any part of the costs in this action.

Cross-examined. Q. Are you able to speak with certainty to all the writs that are issued from your office? A. I think so, for my practice is not so extensive—I never saw a person of the name of Channing—there a may be such a person—the writ that was produced in the last case, with Channing's name on it, may have been issued by my clerk without my knowledge—I never saw him—the only time I ever heard of him was when he was supposed to have signed an endorsement to that writ—any solicitor's name is liable to be made use of without his knowledge—this is certainly the first time I have ever heard of a writ being issued without my authority—no one has authority to issue any writ in my name except in the usual way by my clerk—I am not Mr. Stevenson's solicitor; my name has been made use of very improperly—I think I have had occasion to write to the prisoner three or four times—I think I have issued three or four writs for him, but I have always been properly instructed by plaintiffs—I think I may say with certainty I have issued four writs for him, but everything was regularly and properly settled at my office in the usual course of business—I should say that writs were never served on parties without being issued—it would be a most improper practice—I have never

heard of it—it certainly was never done in my office—the prisoner has never sent his clerk to my office—he has always called himself, and I have paid him the money, when I have received it from defendant, and he has given me the receipt—I have never seen any clerk of his—he has never paid any money at my office to my knowledge, certainly not to me—I undertake to swear that no clerk of his was ever in my office to my knowledge—I have never acted for a defendant for him as far as I recollect

MR. POLAND. Q. Have you received 27l. 10s. for debts and costs when none had been incurred? A. Certainly not—when copies of writs are issued the original would be kept by me—these copies are not in the handwriting of any of my clerks.

JOHN EDWARD BENTLET. I am a clerk in the writ office of the Court of Queen's Bench—it is the practice of the office when writs are sealed that a praecipes should be handed in by the attorney, which is filed and entered—I stamp the writ, and it is taken away and becomes the original writ—I have searched the praecipes under both these names, and there are no such praecipes filed.

Cross-examined. Q. Are not series of writs sometimes served on parties without writs being issued? A. I never heard of its being done.

MR. POLAND. Q. Is there not a sum of 5s. to be paid to the revenue? A. Yes, unless the writ is sealed at our office, it is no writ at all.

WILLIAM WILKINSON. The acceptance to this bill is mine—I do not remember the sum that was paid on this bill; it was paid to Mrs. Wilkinson—when the bill became due I borrowed 30l. from a loan office to pay it—I received nothing out of that—J think it was taken to Mr. Stevenson.

Cross-examined. Q. You do not remember very much about it? A. No—I left the management to Mrs. Wilkinson—I do not know Churning, I never heard of such a person.

JOHN WALLETT. I am clerk to the Real and Personal Advance Company, Limited—in July last we discounted a bill for Mr. Wilkinson for 31l. 10s. 6d.—we gave him a cheque for 28l.—we gave it to Mr. Boland—he was the endorser of the bill, and we were obliged to give it to him—I gave him this cheque—it had been passed through the banker's as paid—3l. 10s. 6d. was the discount—we gave up the bill when the money was paid by Mr. Wilkinson—it was a three months' bill.

MR. LAMB (re-examined). I first discovered about these writs about a month or six weeks or two months ago—I then sent for the prisoner to see what explanation he had to give for having made use of my name—he said that he had instructed a person to come down to my office with money, 5s. I think he mentioned, with a request to me to issue some writs—I there upon called my clerk into my office and asked him if any one had called from Mr. Boland on the day he stated—he referred to the call-book to refresh his memory, and he said no one had called from Mr. Boland, and, furthermore, that he had never seen anybody from Mr. Boland's office—I think the prisoner mentioned the name of Channing—I don't remember whether he said that Channing had robbed him to a considerable amount—I have no recollection of it.

JANE WILKINSON (re-examined). When the prisoner brought the writs he threw them across the table both together, saying, "There are your writs, "and he gave the receipt immediately after into my hand.

WILLIAM WILKINSON (re-examined). Before the prisoner gave the writs to my wife he showed them to me—he pulled them out of his purse, and said, "There are the writs, "and immediately put them into his purse again.

JOHN WALLETT (re-examined). I sent the 28l cheque to Mr. Boland on the day it bears date; it is signed by three directors at the board meeting—I sent it away on the same evening, Tuesday; I am quite certain of it there is an entry of it in some of our books—they are not here—he came the following day, and said it had come exactly in time—I drew the cheque on the Tuesday, the 16th, and dated it on Wednesday; we mostly date the cheques on Wednesday which are granted on the Tuesday; but Mr. Boland having told me that he wanted the cheque particularly that night, I sent it to him. The prisoner received a good character.

GUILTY ,— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-927
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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The prosecutor not appearing, MR. LANGFORD, for the prosecution, offered no evidence.


The following Prisoners PLEADED GUILTY:—

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-928
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-929
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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929. JOHN GREENHURST (50) and ARTHUR KING (48) , to stealing a mustard-pot and inkstand of George Baxter Smith.— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Eight Months' Imprisonment.

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Reference Numbert18671028-930
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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930. JOHN BURTON (50) , to stealing 6½ yards of cloth of Robert Bousfield, his master— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Eighteen Months' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-931
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-932
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-933
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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NEW COURT.—Monday, October 28th, 1867.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-934
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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934. WILLIAM UNDERWOOD (21) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. COLERIDGE conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN PUNTER. I am barman at the Crown and Sceptre, Britannia Street, City Road—on 21st September the prisoner came in for a half-quartern of gin—he pulled out two half-crowns and a florin, and put a half-crown on the counter—I found it was bad, and gave it to my master, who gave him in custody.

ROBERT ELVEY. I am landlord of the Crown and Sceptre—Punter pointed the prisoner out to me and gave me a bad half-crown—I gave him in custody.

ROBERT COMBER (Policeman 258 N). I took the prisoner, and received the half-crown from Mr. Elvey—the prisoner gave his name Thomas Ousburn—he was remanded till 1st October, and then discharged.

ARTHUR ARCHIBALD HANSPORD. I am a grocer, of New Street, City Road—on 10th October I served the prisoner with a packet of cocoa, price 1 ½ d.—he gave me a bad sixpence—I asked him if he had any more of that sort—he said, "What are you going to do? "—I said, "Nothing; do you want your change? "—he rushed out of the shop, and in attempting to

seize him I pulled the tail of his coat off—I followed him, and a constable stopped him—I gave the constable the sixpence.

EDWARD SCANLAN (Policeman 435 N). I took the prisoner, and received this sixpence from Mr. Hansford.

WILLIAM WEBSTER. I am inspector of coin to her Majesty's Mint—the sixpence and half-crown are bad.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate:—"I hare been at work ever since I was convicted before."

Prisoner's Defence. I received 4s. 6d., and the half-crown was among it; I did not know it was bad—I do not know where I got the sixpence.

GUILTY. He was further charged with having been before convicted of uttering, in September, 1864, to which he PLEADED GUILTY.**— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-935
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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935. MARY ANN SHEFFIELD (22) was indicted for a like offence.

MR. COLERIDGE conducted the Prosecution, and MR. COOPER the Defence.

SUSAN GILL. I am the wife of George Gill, who keeps the Lord Clyde, Phonix Street, Somer's Town—on 11th September the prisoner came in with a bottle, and I served her with a quartern of gin, which came to 5d.—she gave me a florin—I bit a piece out of it and put it on the counter; she picked it up, gave me a good one, and went away—I told my husband, and he afterwards came back with the prisoner.

GEORGE GILL. I am the husband of the last witness—I went after the prisoner and caught her thirty or forty yards from my house—I told her she was wanted at the corner, and she went back with me quietly and gave me the coin—she said that she got it in change for a sovereign, sad if I went with her she would show me where—I gave her in custody with the florin.

Cross-examined. Q. Is there a little bit broken out of it? A. Yes; she took it out of her purse, which was in her hand.

CHARLES TAYLOR (Policeman 98 Y). The prisoner was given into my custody with this florin—it has a bit out of it—I took her to the station—she gave her address 7, Charlotte Street, Caledonian Road—I went, with two bunches of keys, which I got from the female searcher, to Phoenix Street, Somer's Town—I saw Mrs. Cole there—one of the keys opened the back parlour door—I searched the room and found two boxes; the top one was open, and I took out of it this little box, in the tray of which I found two counterfeit florins and one half-crown loose, and also some good money—I looked under the tray, and found a packet containing six halfcrowns with tissue paper between them.

Cross-examined. Q. At 7, Charlotte Street, whom did you find? A. Mr. and Mrs. Copeland, with whom the prisoner had been lodging—they did not tell me where to go; somebody else sent me to Phoanix Street—I found 14s. 1d. on the prisoner, all good—these are ordinary keys.

DANIEL CONNOR (Policeman 211 7). I went with Taylor to 9, Phoenix Street, and assisted in searching the boxes—I found six bad florins in the second box, and on the mantelpiece 7s. in silver, good money.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you wait to see whether anybody else came home? A. No—we did not wait to see whether the landlord spoke the truth or not.

MARTHA KEEBLE. I am female searcher at the station Phelp Street, Somer's Town—on 11th September I searched the prisoner and found two

bunches of keys, a half-sovereign, and some silver—I gave them to the policeman—when I took the keys she said, "I hope you will not give them to the policeman to search my place, as I was not aware there was such a thing as bad money in the world."

ANN COLE. I am the wife of John Cole, greengrocer, of 9, Phœnix Street, Somer's Town—the prisoner had lodged with us a month and day—when she was taken she occupied the back parlour as a bed-room—no one occupied it with her, and I only saw two persons come to see her, a man and his wife, who came the day before she was taken—the prisoner brought two boxes with her—I did not see the policeman search them, but there were no other boxes in the room.

Cross-examined. Q. When she hired the room did she say that it was for her husband and herself? A. No.

MR. COLERIDGE. Q. In what name did she take the lodging? A. Miss Deane.

WILLIAM WEBSTER. The half-crown and four florins are bad—the florins are from the same mould—these six half-crowns wrapped in paper are bad, and one of them is from the same mould as the first—this florin with a piece out of it is bad—these other six florins wrapped in paper an bad, and from the same mould—that makes ten from one mould.

The prisoner's statement before the Magistrate was that a young man gave her the money to keep for him.

GUILTY. She was further charged with having been before convicted.

ROBERT MCKEOWN (Policeman). I produce a certificate. (Read:—Central Criminal Court. Ann Green convicted of uttering counterfeit com, April, 1866. Imprisoned One Year.) I was present; the prisoner is the person.

GUILTY. Eighteen Months' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-936
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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936. MATTHEW SMITH (20) was indicted for a like offence.

MR. COLERIDGE conducted the Prosecution.

CHARLES THOMAS SUTTON. I keep the Macclesfield Arms Tavern, City Road—on Saturday, 20th September, about half-past nine, I served the prisoner with some rum, which came to 2½ d.—he gave me a bad shilling—asked him where he got it—he said from Britannia Street, and was very saucy—sent for a policeman, and he then said, "A woman gave it me outside; I did not know it was bad; it is just as it was given to me"—I gave him in custody—there was no woman outside that I am aware of—I did not press the charge, having an important engagement on the Monday.

JOHN EDEN (Policeman 175 G). On 7th September I took the prisoner, and received this shilling from Mr. Sutton—I saw him mark it.

WILLIAM THOMAS HARPER. I am a stationer, of King Henry's Walk, Mildmay Park—on 12th September the prisoner came in, about 8.30, and asked for Fun, which came to 1d.—he gave me a sixpence—I told him it was bad, and asked if he had any other money—he said no, and that he took it for wages—I asked him who his employer was—he said a grocer in the City Road—I asked him the name—he said, "Hall"—I gave him in charge with the sixpence.

JAMES LIVERMORE (Policeman 397 N). I took the prisoner and received the sixpence—I went up and down both sides of the City Road, but could find no grocer named Hall.

WILLIAM WEBSTER. The shilling and sixpence are both bad.

Prisoner's Defence. I was working in the City Road, and got the six-peace for my wages—I am not able to read the directions written up oat of doors.

GUILTY. Nine Months' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-937
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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937. GEORGE SMITH (20), JOHN JONES (29), and MARY ANN PARTRIDGE (18) , Unlawfully having counterfeit coin in their possession, with intent to utter it.

MESSRS. COLERIDGE and STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution.

EDWARD HANCOCK (City Policeman 699). On 2nd October, about half-past three, I was at the corner of King William Street and Cannon Street; Jones and Smith passed me, going towards St. Paul's, talking together, and in a minute or so the woman passed me and followed them—I followed them, and a little way down Cannon Street Jones motioned with his fingers to the woman, and she joined them; they were then in a group, and I saw her take something in paper from her dress pocket and give it to Jones, who passed it to Smith—I followed them to the corner of King Street to the Sugar Loaf public-house, the woman went on—Smith then spoke to Jones, who went on and joined the woman—Smith lent into the public-house; I went into another compartment and spoke to the manager—there was a glass window between the two compartments—I looked through it, saw the officer Cheshire, and pointed out Smith to him—Smith called for half a pint of cooper, and put down what appeared to be a shilling—Mr. Palmer had his hand in the till to catch the coin—Smith received some change and went out; I followed him—he went tea or twelve yards, and stooped down as if adjusting his boot, but turned and looked towards the door he had just come from—I looked round at that moment and saw Jones going eastward—he passed Smith and appeared to speak to him, but left him standing there, and came back and passed him again—Partridge was then beyond Bow Lane—Smith went and spoke to her, and she walked fast towards St. Paul's—Jones was coming up behind, and I spoke to Cheshire, who took hold of him—I took Jones, handed him to a constable, and then overtook Partridge, and said, "I want you for passing a bad shilling with two men"—she said, "I know nothing about two men; I have not seen two men"—she tried two or three times to put her hand into her dress pocket, but I told her she must not, and that if she did not walk with her hands across her breast I should be compelled to use force—I afterwards received this bad shilling from Palmer, and these six bad shillings from the female searcher—I afterwards searched Jones, and found 1s. 8d. in good money and a key—when I Said at the station that I had seen Jones give Smith a shilling in Cannon Street, Smith said, "Yes; one be owed me."

ROBERT PALMER. I am manager to Mr. King, who keeps the Sugar Loaf, at the corner of Queen Street—on 2nd October, in consequence of what Hancock said, I watched Smith, and saw him pay my young man a shilling, which he dropped in the till, but I had my hand in the till and caught it—it was bad, and I gave it to the constable.

EDWARD CHESHIRE (City Policeman 602). In consequence of information from Hancock, I watched Smith going into the Sugar Loaf on 2nd October—I went to the same compartment with Hancock—Smith asked for a pint of cooper; I saw him pay, and saw the manager afterwards give Hancock a bad shilling—I took Smith, he said, "What is up? what do you want me for? "—I said, "For being concerned with your friend there—

pointing to Jones, "and a female in passing a bad shilling"—he said, "I do not know that man, I never saw him before"—he afterwards said at the station that he did meet the man and gave him a shilling which he owed him.

Jones. Q. Did not you say that while Smith was in the public-house the female and I passed and repassed? A. Yes, and I should have said it now if I had been asked—you passed and repassed Smith—you did not pass and repass the public-house.

SARAH JOHNSON. I am female searcher at Bow Lane Station—I searched Partridge and found 16s. in bad money in her pocket—six shillings were loose, and six shillings wrapped in paper, which went between the coins, and four shillings in a tobacco pouch, also a piece of paper which appeared to have had money wrapped in it—I said, "Halloo, is this counterfeit coin? "—she said, "I hope not"—I looked in the poach and said, "Here is some more; I suppose you have got scratches enough, "as I had heard here about scratches on the money—I gave it to Hancock.

WILLIAM WEBSTER. This shilling uttered by Smith is bad—these sixteen shillings are bad—eleven of them are from one mould, and from the same mould as the one uttered.

Smith's Defence. I met Jones, who said, "Do you know what you owe me? "I said, "Yes, 5d." He said, "Have you got change for a shilling? I said, "Yes."He gave it me, and I gave him 7d. I went and called for some gin, gave the shilling, and was given in charge.

Jones's Defence. Smith said that I owed him 5d. I gave him a shilling, and he gave me 7d. The female prisoner I have never seen before.

GUILTY. SMITH and JONES— Twelve Months' Imprisonment each , PARTRIDGE— Nine Months' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-938
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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938. HENRY OSBORNE (18) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. COLERIDGE conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM MENZIES SMITH. I keep the Merry Carpenters, 132, Old Street, St. Luke's—on Saturday, 28th September, about 3.30, I saw my barmaid serve the prisoner—he gave her a shilling; she put it in the till without looking at it, and gave him change—I took it out directly; it was the only shilling there—the prisoner received his change and left without drinking his gin—I put the shilling in my pocket and gave it to a policeman in the morning—the prisoner came again about 9.30—I saw him tender a shilling to my barman who called my attention to it—I went out, and it was thrown away in my absence, but was subsequently found and given to the policeman.

GEORGE OSBORNE. I was Mr. Smith's barman—on 28th September, about 9.30, the prisoner gave me a shilling—I tried it with my teeth and pitched it back on the counter to him—he took it up and said, "I do not know where I got it, "and put it in his pocket—Mr. Smith went round and stopped him as he was going out—Mr. Smith afterwards went out, and I then saw the prisoner put his hand in his pocket and make a motion as if throwing something away—Mr. Smith came back, we got a light, searched, and found a bad shilling in a corner, under a form where the prisoner had been standing—I had cracked it with my teeth—this is it (produced).

John Hill (Policeman 225 G). I received the prisoner, and produce two bad shillings which I received from Mr. Smith—I found 3s. 10½ him good.

GEORGE LISCOE. I keep the Green Dragon, Botolph Alley—on 24th August I saw my wife serve the prisoner with some gin, about a quarter to ten at night—he gave her a florin; she said, "That won't do, that is a bad one"—I bent it and told him it was bad—I asked him where he got it—he said for payment of wages in Newgate Market—I gave him in custody with the florin.

PATRICK CORMACK (City Policeman, 769). On the 24th August I took the prisoner on a charge of uttering a bad florin; he was discharged on the 27th—I produce the florin.

WILLIAM WEBSTER. These two shillings and this florin are bad.

Prisoner's Defence. I own to putting a shilling down, the other I am innocent of.

GUILTY. Nine Months' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-939
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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939. JOHN CHANDLER (71) was indicted for a like offence.

MR. STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution.

GEORQE HEZEKIAH HODGES. I am barman at the Cock and Woolpack, Finch Lane, on 3rd October, about two in the afternoon, I served the prisoner with a glass of porter; he gave me a bad sixpence—I said, "This is bad, and you were here six weeks ago, and passed a bad shilling"—he said that he had never been there before, but he had, and I broke the shilling up then, and told him never to come there any more—it bent easily—my uncle also cautioned him.

Prisoner. Q. Did not you take the sixpence from the young woman? A. No; I snatched it from your hand and said, "I know that man, and I want the sixpence."

GEOBGE HODGES. I am uncle to the last witness—I am a retired licensed victualler—I saw the prisoner in the Woolpack about six weeks before he was taken—I looked at the shilling and said, "It is bad, and I ought to give you in custody, but you are an old man, so go out of the house and never come in again"—I am sure he is the man—I identified him at the station.

Prisoner. The officer asked if you knew me; you looked rather hard at me, and then had my spectacles put on. Witness. I did not wait till your spectacles were put on.

WILLIAM HALLETT (City Policeman 858). The prisoner was given into my charge with this sixpence—I searched him at the station and found two florins, three shillings, a sixpence, a fourpenny piece, two pence, two bad half-sovereigns, a Hanover medal, and an imitation sovereign.

WILLIAM WEBSTER. This is a bad sixpence; it is a very fair one, but it has been knocked about very much.

Prisoner's Defence. I am nearly blind—I did not know what these things were.


OLD COURT.—Tuesday, October 29th, 1867.

Before Mr. Recorder.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-940
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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940. HENRY TURNER (25) was indicted for unlawfully assaulting Matthew Crowley, a peace officer, and attempting to rescue one Alice Turner from his custody.

MESSRS. POLAND and BESLEY conducted the Prosecution.

MATTHEW CROWLEY. I am a sub-warder in the House of Detention—on

Tuesday afternoon, 8th October, I was on duty at Clerkenwell about twenty minutes past five; I was dressed in my uniform, as I am now, except that I had no great coat on—I was engaged in handing the female prisoners into the prison van from the cells of the Sessions House; I received them from warder Keeley—I was standing on the pavement, close to the door of the van—a woman named Alice Turner was handed out to me by Keeley—it the moment she was handed to me, the prisoner rushed up from the crowd behind me, put his two hands against the back of my head, and pushed me against the prison van; at the same time my body and legs hit the van violently—at the same moment I received a heavy blow on the right side of the head, I do not know from whom, whether it was the prisoner or not—the prisoner then got in between me and Alice Turner, and, with his left elbow bent, hit me a violent blow in the right side; he then seized hold of Alice Turner round the waist with both hands; her back was turned to him; he drew her back towards the crowd; he made use of some expressions at the time, I cannot tell what they were—I had not got hold of the woman at that time—he had got in between us—Keeley and two police constables got hold of the prisoner and Alice Turner, and gave him into custody and put the woman into the van—I should suppose there were between 200 and 300 people there at the time; they were behaving very badly, five or six in particular; they were noisy and shouting—I could not say that they interfered with me in the execution of my duty; I would not say that they were making a disturbance—Alice Turner was dragged about four or five yards from the police van—the prisoner was very violent when he was taken into custody; the sergeant had to send an extra force to take him to the station.

GEORGE OLIFF (Policeman 236 A R). On Tuesday, 8th October, I was on duty at the Sessions House, Clerkenwell when Alice Turner was brought from the cells to be placed in the van—I was standing at the door of the Sessions House—I saw Crowley there—as soon as Alice Turner was brought out of the Sessions House the prisoner rushed from the crowd, shoved Crowley violently against the van, and then hit him on the right side of the head with his left hand; he then got betwixt the warder and Alice Turner, struck his left elbow out, and caught the warder in the side; he then caught hold of Alice Turner round the waist and drawed her back towards the crowd; I caught hold of him by the collar and, with the assistance of another constable and warder Keeley, we broke his hold; he was then given into custody—he became very violent; we got him to the station with great difficulty—as near as I can say, I should think he drew Alice Turner between three and four yards she was on the van, and was drawn off the step of the van.

JOHN PAGE (Policeman 274 A R). I was on duty at the Sessions House, Clerkenwell, on 8th October—I saw the prisoner rush from behind the crowd—before he caught hold of Alice Turner I heard him say, "Now I will have her away"—he immediately rushed past, rushed right up to the van, and caught hold of her—I was assisting in forming a circle, the crowd was close to me—the prisoner stood close on my left hand, close to me.

CHARLOTTE HOWE. I am a warder in the House of Correction, Westminster—on 8th October, 1867, I was on duty at the Sessions House, Clerkenwell—I took charge of the female prisoners convicted on that day, among others, of Alice Turner—I have the order of Sessions (produced)—she remained in the cell for some time after her conviction—at the close of the day I was present when she was removed from the cells to be placed

in the prison van—I saw her come out of the cell, I had charge of her at that time; I handed her over to warder Keeley, and he delivered her to Crowley.

WILLIAM KEELEY. I am a warder in the House of Correction—I was on duty on 8th October—I received Alice Turner from Mrs. Howe; I was on the steps leading into the street from the Sessions House—I handed over Alice Turner to sub warder Crowley—I saw the prisoner seize hold of her round the waist—up to that time she had not been resisting in any way—there was a rush made at the time by five or six persons—I passed her into the street, and I turned back and assisted in getting her back from the prisoner.

SAMUEL STANTON. I am a sub-warder at the House of Detention, Clerkenwell—I produce a book in which is entered the names of visitors to prisoners before their trial—on 1st, 5th, and 7th October I have entries of a visitor to Alice Turner; the prisoner is the person—he described himself as Henry Turner, the brother of Alice Turner, residing at 44, Charles Street, Drury Lane—I wrote that down at the time.

Prisoner. Q. Are you sure I told you I was her brother? A. Quite sure; I have three separate entries, and they all correspond.

WILLIAM FRANCIS WATSON. I am a solicitor, and am in the office of Mr. Allen, the solicitor to the County of Middlesex—I produce a certified copy of the record of the conviction of Alice Turner—I was present when the prisoner was examined at the Clerkenwell Police-court at the first hearing on 9th October—he then said that Alice Turner was his wife, and that he merely wont forward to embrace her. (The copy of the record, being put in, certified the conviction of Alice Turner, the sentence being nine months' imprisonment.)

Prisoner's Defence. I was outside the Sessions House at the time my wife got convicted, and I stopped to see her go away in the van. When she went away I merely put out my hand to shake hands with her, mid I was thrown by the mob violently against the warder Crowley, which knocked us up against the van, and I was seized by four or ire constables. As to trying to rescue my wife, it was the last of my thoughts; it was a matter of impossibility; there were fifteen or sixteen constables and warders there; no man would have the assurance to think of trying to rescue his wife from the van.

GUITY. †— Twelve Months' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-941
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment > penal servitude

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941. THOMAS GIBBONS (31), WILLIAM LEICESTER (W), CATHERINE ATKINS (18), and MARY ANN ATKINS (22) , Burglary in the dwellinghouse of James Hawthorne, and stealing a brooch, seventeen chains, and other goods, Value 105l., his property. Second Count—feloniously receiving the same.

MR. COOPER conducted the Prosecution; MR. COLLINS appeared for Gibbons, MR. M. WILLIAMS for Leicester, MR. F. H. LEWIS for Catherine Atkins, and MR. PATER for Mary Ann Atkins.

JAMES HAWTHORNE. I am a jeweller, and live at 23, Church Street, Hackney—on the night of 29th August I locked up my shop at a quarter-past eleven, before I went to bed—all my property was safe at that time; tie windows and doors were closed and fastened—about a quarter to seven in the morning I was called by my daughter—I found the place in a disordered state, and all my house plate was gone; the silver was dissected

from the plated goods, and taken away from the plate basket in the sitting-room—I went immediately into the shop, which opens from the sitting-room by glass doors—I saw the glass case on the counter open, and missed a number of gold chains, earrings, ten watches, a gold brooch, and other articles—I then examined the premises—I found a pane of glass had been cut in the kitchen window level with the garden, the glass cut out, the latch pushed back, and the window open—the garden door was open; they had passed out that way—I found some footmarks alongside the wall, and a pair of my own boots stood alongside—the persons committing the robbery had to get over a wall six feet high in passing out—I have since seen some of the property—here are two pairs of earrings which were in my case that night; here are also two other pairs of earrings which were found upon the prisoner Leicester; they were also in the case that evening—there is also a ring here that was in my possession that evening.

Cross-examined by MR. COLLINS. Q. Where did you buy these earrings? A. From Messrs. Myers, of Hatton Garden, with the exception of one pair—I did not buy them at Hatton Garden, but of Messrs. Myen's traveller in my shop—he came with a quantity of earrings, and I bought some—it is possible there may be many of the same pattern—I bought them about a month or so previous to the robbery—I have no private mark on them; they were marked on the card, which was taken away with them—I swear they are my property, and were in my case that night.

Cross-examined by MR. WILLIAMS. Q. Are there not plenty of the same pattern? A. No; you could not find the same pattern if you were to search London through—there is a peculiarity in every make, and these were my own selection; they are not made in moulds—there may be similar patterns.

MR. COOPER. Q. Had you many more earrings than these? A. There were nine pairs, all in the same case.

JAMES BRYDON (Police Sergeant 4 K). About one o'clock in the morning of 3rd September I went with Venables to No. 7, Russell Street, Stepney—I knocked at the door—Gibbons and Catherine Atkins looked out of Window—I said, "Tom, come down, I want to speak to you"—he came down in a minute or two and opened the door—I went straight through the house, and saw Catherine Atkins go into the back yard—Gibbons turned round and went up stairs, Venables followed him—I went into the yard, and found both the female prisoners in the closet—I waited there till they went up stairs, I followed them—when they got into the room Mary Ann Atkins said, "I know nothing about any rings; what I have got I bought, and here is the receipt"—I had not asked her any question—she produced this paper, Gibbons took it out of her hand, and I took it from him. (Read: "31st May, 1867. Mr. Gibbons, bought of J. S. Upsall, 127, Whitechapel Road, solid gold chain, 4l. 7s. 6d.; two wedding rings, 2l. 5s.; 18-carat keeper, 18s. 6d.; total, 7l. 11s. Settled, same time, T. E. Smith, for J. Upsall.") I then asked her for the rings out of her ears; she gave them to me, and Catherine also gave me hers—I asked Mary Ann where she got them from—she said she bought them on Friday at Mr. Upsall's, in the Whitechapel Road—Catherine said hers were only common ones, and they were given to her by a young man who had gone for a soldier—Mary Ann fell on her knees and said, "Oh, pray Mr. Brydon don't lock mo up"—she then turned round to Gibbons and said, "Oh Tom,

that have you brought me to? "—he said "Hold your tongue; there's nothing the matter"—I then searched the house, but found nothing relating to this charge—I then took them to Arbour Square Station, left them there, and went to Hackney Station, and then to Mr. Hawthorne's, who identified the earrings, with some other little articles of jewellery—I then went back to Arbour Square, and took the prisoners over to Hackney, where the charge was read over to them—Gibbons said, "These girls know nothing about it; I gave the earrings to Mary Ann, and a young man who has gone for a soldier gave them to Catherine"—Mary Ann then said, "I will tell the truth; if you will let me go with you I will take you to the house where the man is who bought the other property" or "who has got the other property"—she took us to 40, Cudworth Street, Bethnal Green—I knocked at the door, after placing several constables round the house-in four or five minutes we were admitted by a person calling herself Leicester's wife—I followed her into the bedroom and asked where her husband was—she said, "He has gone to work at the docks"—I afterwards found him up stairs in the front room, partly dressed—I had previously seen some of his clothes lying about the floor of the bedroom—I then searched the house, and on the mantelshelf in the bedroom I found this pair of earrings and another pair—he asked to be allowed to dress himself, and to change his trousers—I allowed him to do so, and he put on his coat and waistcoat—enables searched them, and in his waistcoat pocket found this keeper ring—at that time Mary Ami Atkins came in with the constables I had left her with—there were two men there, and she said, pointing to Leicester, "That is the man; we are all locked up, and you will have to be locked up too"—she said that Gibbons had left the things there for 9l. odd—Leicester said, "You are a wicked girl, you brought them yourself"—she repeated the same words at Hackney Station.

Cross-examined by MR. PATER. Q. When Leicester said that Mary Ann Atkins had brought the things to his house, did not he indignantly deny it? A. Yes; she said that Gibbons took them there, and she waited outside.

THOMAS VENABLES (Policeman K 141). I went with last witness when he took Gibbons and the two Atkins into custody—I also went to 40, Codworth Street—I found the gold keeper ring which I have produced in Leicester's right-hand waistcoat pocket.

JAMES HAWTHORNE (re-examined). I have never sold any earrings of this pattern, and never had any exactly like them—this ring bears my private mark inside, I swear to that; it is a nine-carat ring—I have sold many rings with that mark of a similar sort; but this is a new ring that hag never been used.


Thomas Gibbons and Mary Ann Atkins were further charged with having been before convicted. To this charge Gibbons pleaded GUILTY. Mary Ann Atkins pleaded NOT GUILTY.

WILLIAM HURST (Policeman K 434). I produce a certificate. (This certified the conviction of Margaret Atkins at this Court in April, 1863, of forglary. Sentence, Three Months' Imprisonment.) The prisoner is the person there described, I had her in custody—she was tried in this Court in 1863.

Prisoner. No; it was in 1861.

MRS. HOWE. I am a warder in the House of Correction—I believe

I have seen Mary Ann Atkins there, I recognise her, I don't remember exactly when it was. M.A. ATKINS—GUILTY. Twelve Months' Imprisonment.

GIBBONS** and LEICESTER**— Ten Years' Penal Servitude each.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-942
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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942. WILLIAM ROBINSON (26) , Stealing a handkerchief of George Blackman, from his person.

GEORGE BLACKMAN. I am a cooper, and live in Whitechapel—on the morning of the 20th September, about half-past nine, I was in Aldgate—as I went along I felt the prisoner's hand in my pocket, and saw him take the handkerchief out—I seized him by the collar—he struggled violently to get away, but I gave him in charge.

DENNIS KENNEDAY (City Policeman 710). The prisoner was given into my custody by the prosecutor—a bystander picked the handkerchief from the ground and gave it to me—the prisoner said, "Why should I steal the handkerchief? I have money in my pocket"—he had 4s. in silver, and 2d. in copper—I also found a pair of plyers on him.

Prisoner's Defence. The gentleman's handkerchief was hanging three parts out of his pocket; I touched it and it fell out, and he caught hold of me and gave me in charge. He said he had lost several handkerchiefs, and he would go as far as the law would allow him.

GUILTY.** He further PLEADED GUILTY to a previous conviction, is November, 1860.— Seven years' Penal Servitude.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-943
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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943. WILLIAM BURNS (23) , Robbery, with violence, on Thomas Duggan, and stealing 10s .

STEPHEN WATSON. I live at 125, Whitfield Street, Tottenham Court Road—on Saturday night, the 5th October, about half-past five, I was working in the brewery; I heard a man screaming out "Murder! "—I went to the window to see what it was, and saw the prisoner and a man both down in the gutter; the prisoner said to the man, "Give me the coin that you have in your hand"—he refused giving it, and both got up—the prisoner knocked him down again in the gutter; a young man came along, and held him till the policeman came—I saw him given into custody could not get out—the prisoner was the worse for liquor.

SUSANNAH DAVIS. I am the wife of George Davis, of 7, Bainbridge Street—about half-past five on the 5th October I heard a cry of "Murder!"—I looked out of the window and saw the prisoner and another man wrestling together in the gutter—the man was bleeding very much be was underneath the prisoner, who was trying to wrestle something out of his hand, trying to open his hand—he struck him several times, and afterwards I saw half a sovereign picked up from the gutter near where the struggle took place.

ROBERT HILLS. I was in the brewery on this evening, and heard a cry of "Murder! "two or three times—I ran to the window and saw the prosecutor lying in the gutter, and the prisoner on top of him—he said, "Give me that coin; give me that bit of coin out of your hand"—the man did not release it, and the prisoner wrenched his hand open with his two hands, and then I saw him feeling about in the gutter for half a minute or better—whether he got anything or not I can't say—the prosecutor got up and was knocked backwards into the road—he was tipsy.

THOMAS DUGGAN. I live at 8, Huntley Street, Tottenham Court Road—I was rather drunk on this night—I did not know what I was about; all I know is, that the foreman gave me half a sovereign to pay my club, and

I had another half-sovereign also—I went for a certain purpose to a place in New Oxford Street—I felt some one catch hold of me, and that is all I know—when I came to myself all my money was gone, and I was locked up all night in the station-house—I beg for mercy for the prisoner—he has a wife and child, and if I had not been in liquor he would not have been here.

Prisoner's Defence. I was returning home, and saw the prosecutor tailing against a wall, drunk. He beckoned me to him, opened his hand, was showed me half a sovereign, and asked me to have something to drink. I liked him where he lived, but he could not tell me. I could not get away from him, and I shoved him, and he, being tipsy, fell down. He held that hold of my coat; I tried to get it out of his hand, and had to pull him up with me. When I got up he fell down again, because he was not able to stand. I did hit him for tearing my coat, but I am innocent of the robbery.


The following prisoners Pleaded GUILTY:—

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-944
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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944. THOMAS YOUNG (21) , to stealing a watch and chain of John Baker from his person.— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Six Months Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-945
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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945. MARY DAVIS (52) , to stealing two pounds of batter, eight pounds of meat, thirty-three knives, twenty forks, six spoons, and a variety of other articles of Frederick Sawyer, her master. The prisoner received a good character from her former master, who promised to take her again into his service.— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Judgment respited.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-946
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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946. HENRY MOORE (16) , to stealing a bill of exchange for 88l. 2s. 1d. of Alfred Terro and mother, his masters. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Recommended to mercy.— Eighteen Months' imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-947
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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947. WILLIAM MOORE (22) , to five indictments for embezzling sums amounting to 40l. of William Edward Bartlett and another, his masters.— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Twelve Months Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-948
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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948. WILLIAM WITT (16) , to forging and uttering an order for the payment of 40l, with intent to defraud.— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Twelve Months' Imprisonment

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-949
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > other institution

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949. WILLIAM WARNER (14) , to forging and uttering an order for 8l. 17s., after a previous conviction.— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Three Tears in Feltham Reformatory.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-950
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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950. JOHN HUTLAND BROWN (25) , to stealing 200l of Champion Jones and others. his masters.— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Five Tears Penal Servitude.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-951
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SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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951. JOHN ROBINSON (44) , to stealing, whilst employed in the Post Office, a post-letter, the property of her Majesty's Postmaster-General.— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Five Years' Penal Servitude.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-952
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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952. JOHN CRAYTON (28) , to stealing a box, seven coats, seven vests, and other articles, of the Great Northern Railway Company, having been before convicted.**— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Seven Tears' Penal Servitude.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-953
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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953. ALPHONSO GRIFFITHS (42) was indicted for forging and uttering an order for 1l. 8 s.

MR. SLEIGH,for the prosecution, offered no evidence. NOT GUILTY.

NEW COURT.—Tuesday, October 29th, 1867.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-954
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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954. WILLIAM LONG (36) PLEADED GUILTY to stealing twelve pieces of leather of Aaron Hart and another, his masters.— Fifteen months' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
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955. WILLIAM WATTS (35) , to burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house of Thomas Henry Ashby, and stealing therein one desk, two books, and 11s. 7d. in money, his property.

— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Fifteen Months' Imprisonment. And,

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-956
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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956. ELIZABETH VALE (38) , to four indictments for stealing table-cloths, sheets, knives, and forks, of Benjamin Payne Todd, her master, who strongly recommended her to mercy [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.],— Twelve Months' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-957
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957. ARMIDE BRIFFANT (37) , Stealing a bag, one Bible, one shirt, and other articles, the property of the South-Eastern Railway Company.

MR. TAYLOR conducted the Prosecution, and the evidence was interpreted to the prisoner.

JOSEPH BENTHALL. I am a draper, of Farnham—on 25th September, about 7.30, I was in Cannon Street waiting-room—I placed my bag, containing various articles, on a table in the centre of the room behind me, and was conversing with a friend—Mr. Willett spoke to me and I missed my bag—I went into the station yard and found the prisoner with it—it was worth 2l.—he merely said, "I am a foreigner"—I detained him till a constable came.

HENRY WILLETT. I am a commercial traveller—on the evening of 25th September I was in Cannon Street waiting-room and saw Mr. Benthall sitting with a bag and some other parcels at his back—I saw the prisoner move from his seat and place his back to the table where the bag was; after waiting a little while he moved the bag from the others, and from the suspicious way in which he did it I watched him—he moved a little away, returned rather anxiously, and went out of the room, but, instead of going to a train, he went towards the street, upon which I spoke to Mr. Benthall.

GEORGE HOLMES (Detective Policeman M). I was called by a railway constable, and took the prisoner outside the station—he had a brown paper parcel, which he appeared ashamed of—it contained a dirty shirt and three paper collars.

Prisoner's Defence. I thought the bag did not belong to anybody, or else I would not have taken it. I was watching under the portico, thinking somebody might come and claim it.

GUILTY. Four Months' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-958
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958. BENJAMIN COLLYER (21) (a soldier), Stealing one diamond and ruby cross, value 40l., of Flora May, in her dwelling house.

MR. W. SLEIGH conducted the Prosecution.

The prisoner stated that he wished to retract his plea and PLEAD GUILTY, upon which the COURT directed a verdict of GUILTY .

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-959
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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959. BENJAMIN COLLYER was again indicted for stealing one watch, one chain, and three lockets, value 8l. 10s., of Louisa Gray, inter dwellinghouse. To this he PLEADED GUILTY. Two Years' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-960
VerdictGuilty > unknown
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960. WILLIAM JONES (16) , Stealing one handkerchief of Joseph Welch, from his person.

JOSEPH WELCH. I live at 206, High Holborn—on 30th September, about three p.m., I was going over Blackfriars Bridge—I turned to look at the machinery, and felt some one pushing against me—I felt in my pockets, missed my handkerchief, and saw the prisoner putting it in to his pocket—I went after him, took it from him, and gave him in custody—he said that he had done it from want.

JOHN JONES (City Policeman 489). The prisoner was given into my custody.

GUILTY.**— Six Weeks' Imprisonment, and Three Years in a Reformatory.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-961
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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961. FREDERICK SCHUBERT (24) , Robbery on Charles Douglas, and stealing from his person four pounds of lamb, his property.

MR. MOORSOM conducted the Prosecution, and MR. LEWIS the Defence.

CHARLES DOUGLAS (Detective Constable). On Saturday night, 5th, October, about twelve o'clock, I was in Blackwall, at a waste piece of ground about twelve yards from my residence, between the City Canal and the West India Dock—I had a loin of lamb under my arm—I turned aside to relieve myself, and four or five men came up to me—the prisoner is one of them—"he said, "We saw you; what were you doing with that woman? "—I made no insurer, but attempted to pass on—the prisoner said, "No, we are not going to let you go like that; what are you going to give us? "—he then took bold of my parcel—I seized him—he struck me in the face with his fat, knocked me down, and took the meat from me, but I afterwards picked it op—I went after him and seized him, but he got away—I ran after him and seized him again—his companion knocked me down and kicked me—I followed them to the Eastern Gate, where one of our watchmen is stationed—I then seized the prisoner, and called for assistance—Montague, a watchman, who is not here, came and assisted me to drag the prisoner in it the gate—he locked the gate, and the prisoner was given in custody—there was no woman near me, and I was within ten years of my own resilience—I was kicked all over my body, which was very much contused, and then (produced) is my hat, which is spoiled—I was disabled, and could not go to business next day—I could not get up—I understand that a drover Bitted Windsor came to my assistance, but I did not see him.

Cross-examined. Q. Were there any women about there? A. I did not see any—there are a great many women about the docks at tide-time—my trousers were undone when the prisoner spoke to me, I had just turned away from the fence—the lamb was in paper—I cannot say whether the prisoner received very serious injuries—he said that he had been suffering from a chronic wound in the neck—I do not know that it burst open—I did not strike him—I did not see his neck bleeding—I was knocked down, and the prisoner fell with me—I saw the lamb on the ground at that time—I picked it up—they might have taken it away if they felt disposed.

JAMES COTHWAITE (Police Sergeant). On Saturday night, 5th October, I was on duty near the City Canal bridge and heard cries of "Help! "—I went to the spot and saw the prisoner and Douglas struggling—I called to the watchman to open the gate, went inside, and said, "I will take the man; what has he done? "—he said, in the prisoner's presence, "Assaulted me and stolen a piece of meat"—the prisoner made no reply, but referred me to a wound in his neck and wanted to" make me believe it was bleeding—Douglas's face was smothered with blood from a wound on his nose, and the prisoner's trousers had blood on them—I saw Windsor, who said, "That is the man who assaulted the gentleman, and I struck him with my fist, and he struck me with his fist with all his might"—I took the prisoner through the dock and out at the other end, and with assistance took him to the station—I saw several other men outside the gates.

Cross-examined. Q. Did the prisoner appear to have been drinking? A. Yes.

HENRY WINDSOR. I am a cattle drover, of Whitechapel—I was standing by the waste ground and saw Douglas cross to the fence as if going to make water; eight or nine chaps then crossed, and I saw them struggling—Douglas called, "Police! "and I saw the prisoner strike him—I hit

the prisoner across the head with my stick, and said, "Stand off, you coward"—Douglas said, "I will follow you and lock you up"—I went towards the public-house, and Douglas had him inside the gates—I went in and said, "That is him"—the prisoner said, "Yes, you are the b—that knocked me across the head with a stick, "and he knocked me down.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate:—"I was passing with two more, and saw the gentleman having connection with some woman. I said, "That won't do."He said, "What is that to you? "and struck me, We went on; I met him again; he caught hold of me near the gate and pulled me in."

The prisoner's father gave him a good character.


28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-962
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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962. JOHN DAVIS (20) , Breaking and entering the shop of Adelaide Harris , and stealing therein 700 cigars, 41b. tobacco, twenty-eight pipes, twenty-six purses, and 30s. in money, her property.

MR. LANGFORD conducted the Prosecution.

ADELAIDE HARRIS. I keep a cigar shop at 70, St. George's Street Wapping—on 4th October, about 7.30, I locked tip my shop and put the gas out; everything was in order, and there was no hole in the roof—abort 12.30 I heard something, and went to the shop with my brother, unlocked the front door, which was double locked and padlocked, and found the gas burning, and the roof broken through—I missed some cigars, tobacco, purses, and pipes, and about 30s.—the value altogether was about 10l.—the prisoner was in my shop the evening before, between eight and nine o'clock; he bought half an ounce of tobacco.

HONORA DOHERTY. I, am single, and live at 33, Brunswick Street, Wapping—on 4th October, about 12.30, I was leaving the Blue Ancher public-house, which is about two minutes' walk from the last witness shop, and saw the prisoner standing at the door; about ten minutes afterwards I went by the door again, and he was fiddling at the lock; he then crossed the road, and I informed a man named Pellatt, and went to the Blue Anchor and spoke to Bate, the waiter—I have no doubt the prisoner is the man.

JOHN BATE. I am manager of the Blue Anchor public-house—I knew the prisoner—I served him with something to drink at eight o'clock tint night—I went to the door at nine o'clock and saw him loitering about, aid also twice afterwards up to half-past twelve—I was two doors from Mrs. Harris's—the last witness gave me information, and I saw the prisoner cross the road from the cigar shop—I stopped him, and told a constable what I had seen.

JOHN PAYNE. I am waiter of the Blue Anchor—on 5th October, a little after midnight, I went with Bate, and saw the prisoner cross the road—he said, "It ain't me, sir; it ain't me"—I held him till a policeman came—I told him he had been housebreaking, and he said, "It is not me"—that was after the policeman had him.

ABRAHAM COOPER (Policeman 27 H). I saw the waiter following the prisoner, and just before I got up he got hold of him, and told me he hid been attempting to break into Mrs. Harris's house—two other witnesses said they had seen him fiddling with the lock, and he was given into my custody—I took him back to the shop, examined the lock, and food everything correct—a man named Pollock was there—I took the prisoner to the station, and asked him what he was loitering about for, and where

he was lodging—he said, "Whitechapel Road"—I said, "Where? "—he said, "Kate Street"—I said, "You can get into Kate Street at any time"—he said, "I have not sufficient to pay my lodging by twopence"—I searched him and found money on him—I said, "I thought you had not sufficient to pay your lodging"—he said, "It is not my money, it it my wife's"—I then went to Mrs. Harris's, went on the roof, and found it broken into—the, tiles were removed, and the ceiling broken through; the rope was in the room, and the shop disordered—I passed over to No, 71, next door, and found some tiles removed and this bundle on the roof, and on the roof of No. 72 the till out of Mrs. Harris's shop—the house is in the parish of St. John, Wapping.

JOHN BLACKWELL (Policeman 4 H). I went on to the roof of Mrs. Harris's shop at a little after midnight, and saw that it had been broken into—I found on the roof of No. 73 4lb, of tobacco, twenty-six parses, tad some pipes, tied up in this handkerchief—the prosecutrix claimed them.

ADELAIDE HARRIS (re-examined). I have not recovered all my property, only some of the cigars, and those are spoiled, and none of the money—this rope was not in my shop the night before.

Prisoner's Defence. I know nothing at all about it.


28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-963
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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963. WILLIAM MUNROE (47) , Feloniously cutting and wounding Charles Lewis, with intent to do him some grievous bodily harm.

MR. DALY conducted the Prosecution.

FREDERICK HALFORD. I am an inmate of St. James's Workhouse—on Saturday evening, 5th October, the prisoner, who was an inmate, undressed himself about half-past ten o'clock, came to my bedside, and took away my chamber-pot, and then he went to another man's bedside and took away his chamberpot, and then he came back to me again with'a chamberpot in his hand, and struck me on the head—he then dropped it on the floor, sad said, "You b----old s----I will smash you up, "struck me in the face with his fist, and gave me a black eye—I said if he was not quiet I would fetch the officer—he said, "Do nothing of the sort; I will settle it with you in the morning"—he then went to bed, and after he was in bed he wore that he would injure me—Lewis said, "You blackguard, you shall not do so; you shall not hit the old man any more"—the prisoner then threatened Lewis, and swore he would smash him up in a minute, and he went and struck him in the face as he lay in bed—Lewis jumped up, and they got fighting—I ran to fetch the officer, and met him on the stain he went up with me, and told the prisoner what he would do if he was not quiet, and we all went to bed—after we had been in bed a good bit the prisoner got up and said, "Iam b----if I will stop here to be murdered, and I will put on my boots and settle it with you early in the morning"—I got up and dressed, and Lewis did the same, upon which the prisoner jumped into bed with his clothes on, and there he lay for a considerable time, and after our chapel clock had struck twelve he jumped up and said, "I am b----if I do not do it now"—(I was lying on the edge of the bed)—he ran across the room and struck Lewis, who struck him again, and he fell between two beds—I ran and called the officer; I then ran up, had the first man I met was Lewis, who said, "Oh, he has stabbed me! "—he was bleeding very much, and holding a shirt to his tide—the officer came and took him to the sick ward, and then took the prisoner, who was sitting on the side of his bed

Prisoner. I had had a drop of drink. Witness. You were not the worse for liquor.

ROBERT BRADLEY. I am porter at St. James's Workhouse—abort 10.20 on this night Halford complained to me—I went up and saw the prisoner in his shirt, in a very excited state, quarrelling with Halford—I desired them to go to bed, which they did, and I went to bed, but was called up again a little after twelve, and met Lewis on the stairs, bleeding; he said that he was stabbed—I sent for the doctor and the police, and gave the prisoner into custody—I asked him if he had a knife—he said, "No"—I pulled this knife out of his trousers pocket, with wet blood on it; the blade was freshly broken.

CHARLESS LEWIS. I am an inmate of St. James's Workhouse—I was sitting on my bed—I had had no words with the prisoner, but he commenced abusing me, and called me every filthy expression his imagination could suggest—I told him I should not allow him to assault the old man (Halford), and remonstrated with him on his cowardly conduct—he struck me a violent blow on the mouth, and we had a struggle—he said, "I will cat you into cats' meat, and will smash out your brains and jump on you"—the officer came up and commanded us all to our beds—we returned to bed, and an hour afterwards the prisoner commenced the abuse again, and continued it for half an hour, declaring that he would injure me in every way he could think of—I made no answer—he ultimately sprang from his bed, saying, "I will do it now"—he attacked me and struck me on the cheek with a knife—I found a second blow coming, which I evaded, but received a slight scratch on the ear; we had a slight straggle together, and by the profusion of blood I perceived that I had received more wounds; I was all over blood—I found a wound on my chest just below my heart, and went down for assistance.

Prisoner. Q. Did not you knock me down? A. Yes, during the struggle—I did not kick and beat you when you were down; I did not even think of kicking you—I had my shoes on—I struck you several times when you struck me—you were sober.

CHARLES HINDS. I am a surgeon, of 41, Great Marylebone Street—I attended Lewis, he had two wounds, one on the left side of his chest, about two inches below the apex of the heart, and a superficial wound on the left cheek, which had not penetrated—the first wound was dangerous; a knife would produce them—the rib had stopped the knife—he lost several ounces of blood—he is well now.

Prisoner. Q. How was my face? A. You seemed to have received a blow on the eye—I am not aware that one of your teeth was knocked out—I saw no marks of kicks on you.

GUILTY. Five Years' Penal Servitude.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-964
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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964. DANIEL MAHONEY (17) , Robbery on Edwin Charles Lindsey, and stealing from his person 3l. 2s., his property.

MR. HOUSTON conducted the Prosecution.

EDWIN CHARLES LINDSEY. I am a carman, of 52, Maria Street, Kingsland Road—on 24th October, about nine p.m., I was in Commercial Street and was tripped up by three or four men—the prisoner is one, I saw him pick my money up off the pavement—I had 3l. 2s., some in a purse and some loose; it was taken out of my left trousers pocket before I was forced on the ground—they ran away—I called, "Police! "and as soon as I got up an officer had the prisoner; I am sure he is lone of the men.

Prisoner. Q. You said you could not swear to any one? A. I said I could not swear to your knocking me down, but I can swear you picked the money up—there was a gaslight—I had had a glass of ale, bat wag not intoxicated.

MARK LEWIS (Policeman 124 H s). I heard a cry of "Police? "ran about twenty yards, and saw the prisoner rise from the ground where Lindsey was lying; he ran right into my arms—I found a florin, a shilling, a sixpence, and 4d. in copper in his trousers pocket—Lindsey charged him—he said that he knew nothing about it—it was quite light, being under a lamp—the others were bigger than the prisoner.

COURT to E. C. LINDSEY. Q. Had you any shillings? A. I believe so, I know there was a florin, and I believe I had a sixpence—I had halfpence.

GUILTY.†— Twelve Months' Imprisonment.

OLD COURT.—Wednesday, October 30th, 1867.

Before Mr. Justice Byles.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-965
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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965. ROSE MATTHEWS (21) was indicted for the wilful murder of her new-born child. She was also charged on the Coroner's inquisition with the like offence.

MR. M. WILLIAMS conducted the Prosecution, and MESSRS. RIBTON and STRAIGHT the Defence.

MARY SCHOLEFIELD. I reside at 21, Lawford Road—in August last the prisoner was in my service as general servant, and had been so for three months and a fortnight—when she had been with me about a month she wig ill one evening, and after she had gone to bed I went up to her, and told her I was afraid she was in trouble, and if she would confide in me I would be a friend to her through it—she assured me it was not so, and said all her family were very peculiar figures in that way—I said this to her inconsequence of what I had observed about her figure—on Tuesday, 13th August, at half-past eleven at night, I heard her coming down stairs, and I went out to ask her what the matter was—she said she had the diarrhoea—about two o'clock the same morning my sister, who slept in the same room, came and made a communication to me, in consequence of which I went out of my room and met the prisoner coming down stairs—I said, "What is the matter? "—she said she was suffering great pain in her chest—she went down stairs—I waited until she came up, and I asked her again what made her ill—she said she had eaten too plentifully of some Orleans plum pudding that we had had for dinner—she seemed much about the same at that time—I went to her about a quarter of an hour afterwards to ask her how she was—she said she was very much better, and that she should not require me to order anything for her then—about three o'clock I heard her go down stairs again, and I went down and saw her coming out of the scullery—I then noticed that her hands and arms and the front of her dress were covered with blood—I again asked her what the matter was—she said she had been violently sick, and had brought up the blood—I then told her to go up and lie down on the bed, and I went out of the house to look for a policeman—about half an hour afterwards I sent for Dr. Woolley—he came about half-past four.

Cross-examined. Q. Had the prisoner been in service before she came to you? A. Yes—the first time I was disturbed was about half-past eleven—she went up stairs then and went to bed—the next time I was disturbed was about two o'clock, when she went down again—she came up

again in about ten minutes or a quarter of an hour—I waited for her at my bedroom door—she said then she was ill—I heard her again at three—I did not know when she went down, but I heard a door go down stairs about three—she slept in the room above me.

GEORGE WOOLLEY , M.D. On 14th August I was sent for to 21, Lawford Road, Kentish Town, about a quarter-past four in the morning—I went there and saw the prisoner in the first-floor back room—she was called of from the kitchen—I asked her if she had been ill—she said she had, she had been suffering from diarrhoea and sickness, and had suffered great pain—I ordered her to be put to bed—I then examined her, and was convinced that she had been recently delivered of a child—I said to her, "You hare had a child, have you not? "—she said, "Yes"—I asked where it was—she said, "In the coal-cellar"—I asked her if it cried—she said, "No"—I then went into the coal-cellar and found a baby in the corner, covered up with coal-dust—it was an ordinary coal-cellar, about ten feet square, under the area steps—after cleaning away the coal-dust I examined the body of the child—I judged that it had been dead a few hours, possibly two or three hours—I have no doubt but it had breathed—I made a post-mortem examination the same evening—there was no bruise or anything tobe seen externally; on the left side of the neck was a large wound extending through the skin, the muscles, and the blood vessels; it cut through all the parts except a little skin and muscle on the right side—the body weighed six pounds and five ounces, and measured twenty and a half inches, is length—the umbilical cord was torn about five inches from the body, not tied—the body had not been washed—I made an internal examination, and found a bruise on the top of the head, and below the scalp a portion of effused blood—the general appearance of the head and the whole body ill healthy—in my opinion the wound in the neck was the cause of death—it would produce immediate death by the loss of blood.

Cross-examined. Q. Was there much coal in the cellar? A. No, a very small quantity—the body was covered over with coal-dust, perhaps a few hatfuls, such a quantity as might be raised in a shovel, a hatful, Mt perhaps more—I believe the child had breathed—I have every reason to believe it was born alive; the lungs were inflated—it is quite possible that a child may breathe before it is separated from the body of the mother; that would account for the inflation of the lungs, but when wholly separated from the mother it might not have been alive—if the gash on the throat was inflicted immediately after death I suppose blood would still flow, although I have no experience in such cases—the blood would not flow a. the same way from a dead child as from a living one; if it was dead only a few moments, the blood would flow quite differently—I have had a good deal of experience in these matters—I believe this was the prisoner's first child, but I do not know—women do not always calculate the time they are about to be delivered, and when the pains come on they sometimes mistake them for a desire to go to the closet—I have read of cases of delivery in the watercloset—I have not bad such a case, but I have had cases where ladies have been delivered in the room while standing, and the child has fallen to the ground; sometimes the head of the child might be slightly damaged—if the child fell in that way the cord would usually be torn—cannot imagine that this wound on the neck was one cut—the head was nearly severed from the body—my impression of the prisoner was that she was of weak intellect—it is within my experience that coincident with the pains of labour there is certain mental disturbance—in the case of

a person of weak intellect that mental disturbance would probably be aggravated.

MR. WILLIAMS. Q. What are your reasons for saying that the child was born alive? A. The natural size of the child, and the inflation of the longs; I believe it had breathed—I hare not seen the prisoner since, nor had I seen her before.

JOHN JARVIS (Policeman Y 69). On Wednesday, 14th August, about half-past seven in the morning, I was sent to 21, Lawford Road—I saw Dr. Woolley there—he took me down into the front coal-hole, and showed me the child, with its head nearly cat from its body—I saw the prisoner up stairs in bed after the doctor left—ehe said, "Are yon going to stop with me? "—I said, "I am; this is a bad job"—she said, "Yes, I did not know what to do with it"—I found this knife in the knife-drawer in consequence of what Mrs. Scholefield said tome—I examined the prisoner's boxes and found this dress smothered in blood—I found no baby linen.

MARY SCHOLEFIELD (re-examined). I asked the prisoner what she did it with—she said, "With one to the small knives"—she said, "It is in the knife-box, on the left-hand side"—I made a communication to the constable.

COURT to DR. WOOLLEY. Q. What were the parts of the child's throat that were cut through? A. The jugular vein, the carotid arteries, the windpipe, the larynx, and the spine—it could not have lived an instant after such a wound—I cannot tell what the presentation was in this case; it is usually a head presentation.

MR. RIBTON called the following Witnesses for the Defences:

JOHN ROWLAND GIBSON. I am surgeon of Newgate—I have been in the habit of seeing the prisoner since she has been in the prison—I visited her daily, and examined her—she is very deaf, and has been so I believe from birth—I feel sure she has not heard anything that has been going on—I am of opinion that she is of weak intellect; her knowledge of language is extremely limited—if I was to address her as I should anyone it ordinary conversation, she would not understand me; I should have to adapt my language to her capacity—she would answer questions within for range, rationally; but she would be incompetent to answer many questions put to her that would require reasoning or knowledge; for instance, she has read her Bible, but she does not know the names of any of the books—she could not tell me that two and two would make four, or that a quarter of a thing would be the fourth of it—I had some conversation with her about the case—my opinion decidedly is, that she is below the average of mind—there is a sympathetic connection between the uterine organs and the brain—during conception and child-bearing, and afterwards, when giving milk, women 'are more susceptible of mental disturbance than at other periods—I think there is a great tendency to mental disturbance during delivery, and in the case of a person of weak intellect I think it might be increased; there would be less power of mental control and less appreciation of facts.

Cross-examined. Q. I presume you did not see her till she came into Newgate? A. No; I certainly do not mean to say she is insane, or that she does not know right from wrong.

MR. RIBTON. Q. Do you say that, with respect to the whole of the time you have seen her? A. I think so; I do not mean it to apply to the time when the wound was inflicted; I do not feel competent to give an opinion as to that.

REV. FREDERICK EDWARD LLOYD JONES. I am chaplain of Newgate—I have heard Mr. Gibson's evidence—I agree with him in believing the prisoner to be a person of weak intellect, and in what he has said about the state of her mind.

GUILTY of concealing the birth .—Two Years' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-966
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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966. JOHN BISHOP (30) , Unlawfully wounding Ann Bishop, with intent to murder. Second Count, with intent to do grievous bodily harm,

MR. COOPER conducted the Prosecution.

ELIZA BISHOP. I am sister to the prisoner, and live in Somerford Street, Bethnal Green—I am single—on the 13th September, a little before three in the morning, I went to my brother's house, No. 2, North Street—I went straight up to his own room, and sat at the side of the bed—his wife was walking up and down by the side of the bed, with the baby in her arms—the prisoner said to me, "Eliza, go down stairs and go home and shut the door; I will come down directly and bolt the door"—I told his wife to lay the baby on the bed, and take Jack's boots off—she said, "I won't yet a while"—I said, "Annie, good night, "and I threw the key on the bed—it was the key of the front room down stairs, a padlock key—they lodged up stairs—I shut the door and went down stairs—I went out into the street and shut the door, and went round the corner a short distance—I then heard the screams of "Murder! "twice—I did not know the voice—it came from North Street way—my mother was with me; but she had turned the corner of the street—we live very close by, the first house round the corner—I did not go back to see what the screams of "Murder! "were—my mother ran into the house, and as I got to the top of the street I heard my brother say, "Mother, mother, I have done it I have done it! "and he went away and I saw no more of him—he was then at the corner of the street, across the corner of Somerford Street—he ran towards Seabright Street—I believe the station-house is that way—I did not their any words between the prisoner and his wife when I left them—they were as comfortable as I ever saw them—there were no signs of any row, and no bother whatever—they lived happily together as far as I know.

JOHN FREELAND (Policeman 24 K). A little before three on the morning of the 13th September I heard cries of "Murder! "proceeding from the direction of 2, North Street—I went to the spot and saw the prisoner's mother; from what she communicated to me I went to No. 2, Somerford Street, and in a front room there I found a woman lying on the bed with a long large wound in her neck—I sent for a doctor—I left her in charge of a brother officer, and went to No. 2, North Street, where I found the prisoner—it is only five or ten yards from one house to the other—I told him I should take him into custody for cutting his wife's throat—ihe made no reply—we walked about 100 or 150 yards, when he said, "Don't knock me about, I shall give you the knife that I have done it with"—he then put his hand into his right-hand trousers pocket, took oat this knife, and gave it to another constable—I said, "What was it made you do it? "—he said, "So would you if you found your wife with another man"—I took him to the station, and charged him—he made no reply—the knife was closed when he gave it to me—there was no blood on it—I afterwards went to the front room in North Street, and found several spots of blood on the floor leading from the side of the bed towards the door-there was none on the bed—the blood appeared quite fresh—there was

very little blood on the floor—it was all on the child's drew, she put the child up to her throat.

ANN BISHOP. I am the prisoner's wife; on Friday morning, the 13th September, between two and three o'clock, I was in my bedroom—my husband went up stairs before me—he had come home before me—I went up stairs with the baby in my arms, and found him sitting on the side of the bed, taking his boots off as I thought—my sister-in-law came into the room—I afterwards bid her "good night, "and she went down stairs—I was going to put the baby into the bed and then undress myself—my husband was sitting on the side of the bed at the time—there was a light b the room—I did not say anything to him that I recollect—I did not see him raise his hand at all—the first thing I felt was something come across my throat—I had not laid down, I was sideways on the bed like—the light was still burning on the wash hand basin near the foot of the bed—I was quite awake, when I felt something across my throat—I did not see anything at that time—I could not see for a moment, and when I did see I saw the blood trickling down—I only felt what I have described; once I took my baby in my arms and pressed it up to my neck, and went to the window and cried "Murder! "—the baby is just on eight months old—it was dressed in short clothes—I saw my husband go down stairs—I flew down stairs quickly, and went to my mother-in-law's house—I carried the child all the way in my arms as I have described—the blood dropped on the baby all the way—I was in my mother-in-law's house about twenty minutes before I went to the hospital—I left the hospital three weeks yesterday—I am quite well now, and I hope you will have mercy upon him—this is his knife, sometimes his and sometimes mine—I go out with cats' meat and use it for the purpose of cutting the skewers—my husband had it that night.

COURT. Q. How many children have you? A. Three; one is five, one will be three next month, and my baby is eight months—my husband had been out with me that day along with me and my meat—we were all together, and had been merry-making up at my sister's—he was at home I dare say about five or ten minutes before I went home—we had been singing and dancing at my mother-in-law's—we had something to drink, some gin and half-and-half—I dare say we had been drinking since eight o'clock at night—we took two gallons of beer with us, and I dare say it lasted till two or three o'clock in the morning—there were seven of oft to drink it—we had not any more at my mother's—he did not take any home—he had had quite enough; I mean too much—he is not in the habit of taking spirits, it always flies to his head—he has behaved well to me when he keeps sober, but when he gets a little drop he is quite out of his mind.

FREDERICK MCKENZIE. I was house surgeon to the London Hospital. when the last witness was brought there, between three and four on the morning of the 13th September—I examined her throat, and found a wound from left to right, extending about five inches in length, about threequarters of an inch deep, and gaping to the extent of three inches—an instrument like this knife would produce such a wound.

COURT. Q. How large was the wound? A. It was about two inches above the clavicle—there was nothing to prevent it going deeper—there is no bone there.

Prisoner's Defence. I don't remember going home at all to my house that night. I did not know anything about what had been done. I remember me and my wife being out together along with some friends,

and we were drinking all night together. I don't know whether we had any words that night. I know we were both in liquor. I am very sorry for it, and I hope you will forgive me, I will never get drunk any more.

GUILTY of unlawfully wounding. Eighteen Months' Imprisonment.

NEW COURT.—Wednesday, October 30th, 1867. Before Mr. Justice Keeting.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-967
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor. —Eighteen Months' Imprisonment.

He was again charged on twelve other indictments with embezzlement, on which MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE for the Prosecution, offered no evident.


28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-968
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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MR. HOUSTON conducted the Prosecution.

Not Guilty.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-969
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment

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969. WILLIAM ROWLEY (56) and WILLIAM ROPER (18) , Feloniously forging and uttering an older for the payment of 3l. 15s., with intent to defraud. Rowley having been before convicted, to which ROWLEY PLEADED GUILTY. Twelve Years' Penal Servitude.

MESSRS. SLEIGH and POLAND conducted the Prosecution.

JOSEPH HADEDA. I am a cigar merchant, of 41, Basinghall Street—on Monday evening, 9th September, about half-past five o'clock, the younger prisoner came to my house—I had never seen him before—this letter was handed to me by my lad; I opened it and went out to the younger prisoner—it was in an envelope—I asked him if he was going to take the goods with him—he said, "Yes."(Read: "Royal Victor, Victoria Park, September 9th, 1867. Gentlemen, please send by bearer six boxes'of cigars at 12s. 6d., and three at 15s., for which I have given the boy my cheque, with the receipted invoice, addressed Messrs. Hadeda and Co., cigar merchants, Basinghall Street, City.") I told him the goods were not quite ready; I could not pack them up that evening, he was to call next morning—he asked what time; I said I should be down at the warehouse at half-past nine—I asked him for the cheque, he produced it from one of his pockets—this was before I told him the goods were not ready—I said, "Shall I keep it, or will you have it back? you had better take it back; "and I gave it to him—I asked him if the Royal Victor Was a new house, and he said, ""yes, about two years, "and that he was their potman, or in their employment. (cheque read: "9th September, 1867. London and County Bank. Pay Messrs. Hadeda and Co., or bearer, 3l. 15s. William Scaddon.") He came to the door next morning about half-past nine, just as I was opening the premises—I said, "You are too soon for me; I shall not be ready for another hour"—he said, "I have to go to Fleet Street and the Strand, and will call again"—he left—I then went to Mr. Scaddon's, received information, and communicated with the police—I saw Roper in custody in the evening.

WILLIAM SCADDON. I keep the Royal Victor, Old Ford Road—the house has been opened about two years—I know nothing whatever of this.

letter; it is not witten by me, nor is this cheque, or by my authority—I do not bank at the London and County Bank, and never did—I have seen the prisoners about my neighbourhood—Roper was never in my employment—this envelope is not addressed by me.

WILLIAM POTTS (City Policeman). In consequence of instructions, I spoke to Roper about two o'clock in the afternoon of the 10th September in London Wall—I asked him if he had been to Mr. Hadeda, 44, Basinghall Street, the evening before, and that morning; he said he had not—I asked him if he was certain he had not; he said, "No"—I told him I should take him in charge for trying to pass a forged cheque—he put his hand in his pocket as if he wanted something taken out—I said, "Stop a minute; let me see what you have in your pocket"—I put my hand in his pocket and took out this cheque, also this pocketpook and another note addressed to Mr. Hadeda—I took him to the station and charged him with uttering the cheque—he said he was sent by a man in Shoreditch, who was waiting against the railwaystation, but he did not know what his name was—I took Rowley on the 13th September—the younger prisoner gave the name of Roper.

HENRY SWABEY. I am a cigar manufacturer, of 164, Strand—on 20th August Roper brought me this letter. (Read: "Three Colts Tavern, Victoria Park, August 20, 1867. Sir, please send by bearer six boxes to cigars at 10s. 6d., 3l. 3s., and six at 12s. 6d., making 6l, 18s. I have given my boy the cheque for the sum, which he will hand yon on delivery of the receipted invoice. Walter Scott.") I asked him what Mr. Scott it was, whether it was Mr. Scott of the Music Hall; he said, "Yes"—I asked him if he was in his employment; he said, "Yes"—I looked out the goods and gave them to a lad—there were two parcels, with six boxes in each. (Cheque read: "August 20, 1867. London and County Bank. Pay H. Swabey, or bearer, 6l. 18s. Walter Scott.") That was paid into the bank, and returned marked, "No account."

THOMAS BECKHAM. I am in Mr. Swabey's employ—on 20th August he gave me twelve boxes of cigars in Roper's presence to carry—I gave one parcel to Roper and went with him; when we got to the Old Ford Road he went into a public-house and I stood at the door; he asked me to We some beer, and I refused—he went in, taking one o{ the parcels with him; he came out and asked me again to have some beer, and I refused—he went back, and I never saw him afterwards—I waited a few minutes, and then went in and heard that he had gone out at another door—I never saw him or the cigars till he was in custody.

JOHN WALTER SCOTT. I am landlord of the Three Colts, Victoria Park—I don't know either of the prisoners or Mr. Swabey—this letter and cheque are not in my writing or written by my authority—I knew nothing about them till they were shown to me at the police—court.

Roper's Defence. I can neither read nor write, and do not know what a cheque is. The letter to Mr. Hadeda was given to me by my father, also another paper, which he said contained a cheque, which I was to give them if they gave me a parcel, neither the letter nor cheque were written in my presence.

GUILTY. Fifteen Month's Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-970
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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970. ALFRED GOLDSMID, Unlawfully, and within three months of his bankruptcy, disposing of his property with intent to defraud and cheat his creditors. Other Counts, for making alterations in his books

with a like intent. MESSRS. POLAND and RIBLEY conducted the Prosecution. and MR. METCALFE the Defence.

CHARLES FORMAN. I am a clerk in the Court of Bankruptcy, London—I produce the proceedings in the defendant's bankruptcy—the adjudication was on the 21st June, 1867, on the petition of the creditors—the date of the petition is the 19th June, 1867—the petitioning creditor is James Holles, trading under the name of Holles and Son—the bankrupt is described in the adjudication as Alfred J. Goldsmid, of 56a, Houndsditch, wholesale Birmingham and Sheffield factor—the account signed by the bankrupt shows a deficiency of 2202l. 6s. 9d., the money debts beyond assets—the bankrupt has not passed his last examination—I also produce a copy of the London Gazette of the 20th June, which contains the adver-tisement of the defendant's bankruptcy.

Cross-examined. Q. What were the whole debts? A. 3550l. 17s. 4d.—I do not produce the books—I have not seen the bank-book—the official assignee is here—the bankrupt's examination is adjourned to the 18th November, at twelve o'clock—the date of the order for adjournment is the 15th August, and these proceedings were taken shortly after the 15th August—the order for the prosecution was on the 24th October; that was long after the commitment—no order of the Commissioners in Bankruptcy to prosecute was made till after the prisoner had been committed—the bankrupt has I believe attended every examination—he was examined at a private meeting—I don't know whether any offer of 5s. in the pound was made.

MR. POLAND. Q. Do you know the practice of the Court of Bankruptcy with regard to order for prosecutions? A. I do not—here is the order—the debts are 3550l., of which 3183l. 7s. 4d. are to unsecured creditors, and 350l. to creditors holding security, 17l. 10s. to creditors to be paid in full.

JOHN ADDISON RUSSELL. I am a pawnbroker, of 37, Fore Street, City—I produce forty-seven watches, thirty-five are gold and twelve silver, also three necklaces, a brooch, and a locket on which I advanced 90l. to a Mr. Mayer on the 9th May—this ticket produced was made out under my directions, and the 90l. was advanced for six months at 1l. 2s. 6d. a month, that is at the rate of fifteen per cent, per annum—I don't know Mr. Mayer—I can't tell you now what portion of the advance related to the watches or what proportion to the other articles bore to the watches.

Cross-examined. Q. You gave a memorandum which would entitle the holder to redeem within six months? A. Yes—I gave a pretty fair price for them, I think.

JOSEPH MAYER. I am a chiropodist, of Chudley Place, Notting Hill—I know the defendant—on the 9th May he gave me forty-seven watches—I dare say these are them—he told me to get some money on them, as he had some bills to meet, and I went to Mr. Russell, who advanced me 90l. on them, and gave me this ticket, which I took to the defendant—I have pledged goods for him three or four times, or it may be five or six—the earliest date was the 23rd February, this year, and the last time the 9th May.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you bring the ticket and money back to Mr. Goldsmid? A. Yes, and I paid the 90l. into the London and Westminster Bank next day, and took the bank book with me and had the money entered—I know that it was used in his business—he told me that it was to take up a trade bill—the other pawnings were for the same purpose, he told me—I took some goods which had been paid for with the watches.

MR. POLAND. Q. Were the goods you took paid for? A. He told me they were, and I suppose the watches were, but I don't know—the goods were given to me at Houndsditch.

JOSEPH NORDMAN. I am a watch manufacturer, of 88, Hatton Garden—on 17th April the prisoner selected about 390l. worth of watches of me, they were delivered on the 19th—these watches produced by Russell are ill mine but one, forty-six are mine—mine were not all gold, twelve I think were silver, and the rest gold—the invoice price of the forty-six is 89l. 18s.—I had traded with him previously—I gave him six or seven months' credit—I have never been paid a penny—I am a creditor for 530l.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you been a member of the firm of Swabe? A. Yes—the prisoner had dealt with that firm some years—there were two brothers in the firm—I started on my own account in March, 1866—the prisoner dealt with me in December, 1866, and I did not get a penny for it—I got a bill, which was not paid—I have not bills for the whole of the 530l., but for all except 40l.—I took bills for these very watches—the lint bill was due on 4th June or 4th July—that was not for these watches, that bill is not due yet—I do not know that his relations have made me an offer, bat an offer was made of 5s. in the pound—I think it was from his relations—I never would have trusted him, but he took me to his private residence to see his fine furniture, and told me he had married a rich wife, and next day I sold him the parcel—I have seen several tickets given up to his creditors, and the memorandum of deposit given by Russell.

GEORGE BUTLER. I am an accountant—I have examined many of the bankrupt's books, all of them, I think, at the office of the official assignee, Mr. Grant—I find no entry of the purchase of these watches of Mr. Nordman on 17th April—here is an entry on 8th May of 14l., and on 9th May of 29l. 4s.—no year is given, but I believe it is 1867—I do not think there is any entry in the books of the receipt of 90l. from Russell, the pawnbroker.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you looked at the pass-book? A. Yes, at every entry—here is an entry on 10th May: "Cash, 90l. paid into the bank"—I have seen the bill-books—I find a bill accepted on 17th April for 75l.—it does not say for what—here is another for 140l. 16s. drawn on 17th April, and another for 200l. from Nordman on 17th April, due November 4th, also one for 270l., making 480l. altogether—the last three are on 17th April, the first one is not—I have not seen the memorandum it all—this is the bought ledger—there are a few entries in the ledger; what I got I got chiefly from the ledger—I examined the books about a fortnight since.

MR. POLAND. Q. The entries in the bill-books do not give you the nature of the transaction? A. The bill-book does not express the nature of the transaction, whether for goods or otherwise—this is an ordinary bill-book, giving the name of the drawer, when accepted, when payable, and to whom payable—there are no entries of the transaction in the bought ledger or or cash book—here is an entry in this bill-book of a bill coming due on 9th May for 68l. 14s. 6d.—that is not Nordman's bill—the next bill is due on 26th May, I believe—the next is for 35l. 17s. 9d.

COURT. Q. Had the bankrupt any book in which were entered his purchases of goods? A. No such book was produced to me; no book which is commonly called the bought book—there were two ledgers in recent use, two books of a mixed sort in which were entered the goods sold, I should describe them as waste-books—in the ledger customers' accounts

were posted up; there were not goods purchased among them, they were goods sold by the bankrupt to his customers—there was no book kept by the bankrupt in which I can find the purchases in question—the two entries in the ledger purport to be purchases of goods from Nordman, 14l. on 8th May, and 21l. 4s. on 9th May—this addition was in the book; I made no entries in it—there are other entries of like goods to other people—there is another book for sales, this is a book of purchases; there is no regular day-book of goods bought—this is what we term a ledger; it contains purchases made by the bankrupt from other persons, and here are some other entries of cash paid on the opposite side; it is what I should call his bought ledger; it is a record of goods bought from the creditors—Mr. Nordman's account does not appear to be posted at all—there is no folio or reference to an invoice book.

MR. METCALFE. Q. Have you seen the invoices? A. No—it is a common thing to keep the invoices, and post up the book from them.

WILLIAM JONES. I am clerk to the solicitor for the prosecution and to the creditors' assignee—I have gone through the twenty-one books with reference to the transactions of Nordman, but find no entry of these twenty-six watches in any bought book—no invoice-book has been presented to me—I have not found any entry in the bankrupt's books of the receipt of 90l. from Mr. Russell on 9th May, but there is an entry on 10th May of 90l. paid to the bankers—I have seen no invoices relating to this matter.

ARTHUR GEORGE PERRIN. I am clerk to Mr. Graham, the official assignee in the defendant's bankruptcy—I produce twenty-one books which I received from the bankrupt—no invoices were given up to the official assignee.

Cross-examined. Q. Who did take possession of the books in the first instance? A. They were handed in by the bankrupt to Mr. Graham, through the messenger, Mr. Cooper, neither of whom are here—it is my duty to make out a list—I receive the books from Mr. Graham, the messenger makes out a list when he receives them; I do not know where hit list is—I cannot tell whether the invoice for these goods was given up by the bankrupt to the messenger—my list is not here; it is in a book which is in daily use—he gave up twenty-one books and a parcel of cheques—the creditors' assignee may have the invoices—he is not here; I do not know who he is—after I received the books they remained in my custody, and did not go out of my hands—Mr. Buffon saw them at my office, but none of them had been sent to his office—he is an accountant—I do not, believe he has taken some of them for the purpose of making out the accounts.

MR. POLAND. Q. Do you know the prisoner's writing? A. Yet—there is a list on the proceedings in bankruptcy of the books which were given up by the prisoner.

MR. METCALFE to WILLIAM JONES. Q. Can you tell me whether this memorandum was given up? A. I believe it was given up by Mr. Buffon on behalf of the bankrupt to the assignee—I am informed by my principal that it was—I have never seen the invoices.

FREDERICK FOSTER BUFFON. I am an accountant—I received several books from the bankrupt for the purpose of making up a statement of his affairs; I cannot say how many j it was in the early part or the middle of June, and before he was adjudicated a bankrupt—he also gave me some memoranda of deposits; I have seen no invoices—I was employed by him

to make up his accounts, which I did from the books and the information he gave me—I had no invoices to guide me—my clerk handed over to the official assignee the books and papers I received.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you seen them since? A. Yes, they have been in my office; we fetched them away from the official assignee's, and signed a receipt for them in the usual way—I was able to make out a balance-sheet from his accounts, the bill book gave us nearly all the particulars—I was endeavouring to make out a better account for the day the proceedings were adjourned to, but these proceedings intervened and stopped us—I was not put in communication with the messenger at all, if the invoices were given up to him I do not know where they would get to—when I found entries of bills given for the goods and other memoranda, showing that he had received the 90l., and found the pass-book, I had no difficulty whatever in making out the transaction—I should think that the whole of the liabilities are in these books, that is his way of doing business—it appears by the books that 90l. was paid in on 10th May—I found by an examination of the pass-book and other books that the money went in liquidation of his trade liabilities; I find cheques for trade purposes drawn on the bank in the pass-book against the 90l.—the bankrupt when he called me in gave me possession of the premises and all the property on the premises for the benefit of the creditors—my first notion was to have a composition of 5s. in the pound, which was offered.

MR. POLAND. Q. What book would you get the information from as to what goods had been bought of Mr. Nordman? A. The liabilities are clearly expressed in the bills payable book—the bill-book is quite sufficient—here is No. 91, drawn by Nordman, of London, April 17, at six months, for 200l.—it does not say for what goods, the bill book never does—it gives no information as to the goods to which the bill relates—I have not seen any book giving information as to the goods bought of Mr. Nordman—I have not seen any invoices.


THIRD COURT.—Wednesday, October 30th, 1867.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-971
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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971. GEORGE COCKSEDGE (23) PLEADED GUILTY to stealing two post-letters, the property of her Majesty's Postmaster-General—

Five Years' Penal Servitude.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-972
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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972. MARY HOUSEWOOD (34) , to stealing twelve sheets and other articles of Alexander John Stuart, her master.— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] five Years' Penal Servitude.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-973
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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973. RICHARD STOREY (18) , to stealing a portmanteau of Henry Frederick StroudHenry Frederick Stroud, having been before convicted.— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Twelve Months' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-974
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude; Imprisonment > penal servitude

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974. WILLIAM MARSDEN (29) and GEORGE SMITH (18) , to burglary in the dwellinghouse of Empereoi Adrian, and stealing a watch and other articles, having been before convicted. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] MARSDEN— Eight Years' Penal Servitude. SMITH— Seven Years' Penal Servitnde.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-975
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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975. WILLIAM RAWLES (20) , to feloniously wounding Sarah Mills, with intent to do her grievous bodily harm.— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Nine Months' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-976
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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976. HENRY DRUMMOND GODFREY (22) , to feloniously marrying Sophia Dickens, his wife Henrietta being alive.— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Two Years' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-977
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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977. WILLIAM PERYER (40) , to stealing 561b. of soap of James Soames, his master.— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Nine Months' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-977a
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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977a. FREDERICK SCHUBERT (24) , to assaulting Charles Douglas, and stealing a loin of lamb.— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Three Months' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-978
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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978. THOMAS ELLIS, alias MORGAN (22) , to unlawfully making his escape from Woking Prison while under sentence of penal servitude.— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] To be Imprisoned Seven Days at the expiration of his former sentence.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-979
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown

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979. HENRY GILLETT (17) and RICHARD OLDACRE (23) , for forging and uttering an acquittance for the payment of 5. l

GILLETT PLEADED GUILTY. He also PLEADED GUILTY to four other indictments.— Twelve Months' Imprisonment.

MESSRS. METCALFE and PATTESON conducted the Prosecution, and

MR. COLLINS the Defence.

JOHN NEWCOMBE. I am a picture-frame maker in Leicester—I know a Mr. Scully, and have known him twenty-five years—on the 29th September I had occasion to write to him and send him some money—I procured a post-office order for the sum of 5l.—I put it in the letter, sealed it, and posted it myself—this is the letter and order I sent.

JAMES MUFFLIN. I am an apprentice to Mr. Richard Scully, a pictureframe maker at Gee Street, St. Luke's—on the morning of the 1st October I was in the workshop when the postman came, and I went to the box and took three letters from it, one of them was in a buff envelope—I laid these three letters on Mr. Scully's desk in the counting-house—he was not there at the time—a few minutes after Gillett came in—he is a nephew of Mr. Scully, and is a carman in his employment—he had to pass the counting-house door to go to the stables—he passed the door, and came back again before Mr. Scully's brother came, and when he came I missed the letter with the buff envelope—when Mr. James Scully came in he asked how many letters there were, and I said, "Three; "and I then found there were only two.

JAMES SCULLY. I am brother to the prosecutor, and am in business with him in Gee Street—on the 1st October I went to the office at ten minutes past eight—Mufflin was at the door when I went in—he told me there were three letters, and I went to the desk and found only two—I saw Gillett about a quarter of an hour after and asked him if he had missed a letter.

RICHARD SCULLY. On the 1st October I was expecting a remittance from Mr. Newcombe—he is a customer of mine—this letter is in his handwriting—the signature on the Post-Office order is not my writing—I never authorised any one to sign my name to receive the money for me—in consequence of information, I made a communication at the postoffice in Bunhill Row, and a detective was employed to watch the portoffice to see who presented the order—Gillett was brought to my shop some time after by the constable.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you seen the Post-Office order? A. Yes—I can't swear that my name is signed by Gillett, but to the best of my belief it is.

JAMES JOSEPH KING. I am assistant to Mr. Davis—he keeps the post-office in Bunhill Row—we had a communication made to us about this order, in consequence of which we took notice of all the persons who came in—on the morning of the 2nd October a young man came in and presented this order, before the office was open, and he came in soon after and the advices were not ready—soon after that a constable came—the prisoner Oldacre came in about an hour and a quarter after the other one—Miller, the constable, was at that time with me—Oldacre said that a

party had brought the order before from Messrs. Scully, and the advices were not ready—I said, "Well, what about it? "—he said, "Here it is, "and presented the order—I took it and went to the desk for the advice, and found it corresponded with the signature, and I asked him the name of the remitter, and he said, "Newcombe, Leicester"—I got the money, and then the constable came in the front door and said, "What has this man brought? "—I said, "This order"—the constable then took him in custody—he brought him back shortly after, and said that the prisoner said that if I went to a public-house at the corner he would show me the party that gave him the order—I left him in charge of Mr. Davison, a carpenter, who was working at my master's shop, and went with the constable to the public-house, but could find no one there—when Oldacre first came in I believe he said he brought it from Mr. Scully, of Gee Street.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you take him to the public-house to see whether he could point out the man? A. No—it was about a quarter-past eleven when Oldacre came to the post-office—Miller took him into custody himself—the prisoner remained in custody at my master's house.

WILLIAM MILLER (Policeman 148 G). In consequence of information I went to the Bunhill Row post-office at a quarter-past ten on the morning of the 2nd October—I stopped behind the counter near a side door till about eleven o'clock, when Oldacre came in with some papers in his hand—I heard him say, "It is an order, but you had not found the advice when a person called before; I brought it from 25 1/2, Gee Street, Brick Lane"—I let myself out of the side door and went into the shop—I said to King, "What is that? "—he said. "This order"—I asked the prisoner where he got it from—he said, "From a man he knew well; I don't know his name or where he lives"—I said, "You must consider yourself in custody, and go to Old Street Police-station with me"—I took him outside about ten yards and said, "Which is the public-house the man was at?—he said, "The corner of Bath Street; take me there and I will point him out"—I said, "No, I can't do that"—I then took him back to the post-office and left him with a carpenter in a little room, and King and 1 went to the public-house and found no one there—I then took him to the station—on the way he took this letter from his pocket and said, "Here is tho letter belonging to the order "—I afterwards took Gillett—he said that the man he had it of was named "Cris"—that was after the examination, when he was going to the cells.

Cross-examined. Q. Is not Cris the short for Christopher? A. I suppose so—I was in plain clothes—I am pretty well known among thieves in general—Oldacre was let out on bail, and one Sunday I went to the prisoner's father's house—I asked the father if he knew who Cris was, and what sort of fellow he was—I said I knew where one Cris lived, but I did not know whether it was the one—I made an arrangement with the prisoner to get Cris out, so that I might see him—it was Christopher Edes, the witness—I told Oldacre to follow me to the station, and then he said that Edes was the man that gave him the order—Edes did Dot give a false flame and address.

MR. METCALFE. Q. Was it after Oldacre had been bailed that you took Edes? A. Yes, and he was discharged by the Magistrate—he was taken for the purpose of being identified, and King said he was not the man who presented it, and then Edes was summoned as a witness.

COURT. Q. When you were outside the post-office were you in sight

of the public-house? A., I was—it is about twenty yards from the place we could be seen from the public-house.

CHRISTOPHER EDES. I live at 21, Crown Street, Old Street Road—I have known Oldacre three or four years—I saw him on the 2nd October, about a quarter to eleven, at the corner of Pitfield Street—a man named Leonard Wallace was with me—I saw Oldacre in a public-house to ask him to change an order which Wallace had given me about five minutes before—I don't know where he got it from—he had it in his hand with the letter—I did not see any envelope—he asked me if I could change it, and I went and called Oldacre out of the public-house—he knew Wallace as well as I did—I knew him by working at the top of the market—I gave him the order and asked him to change it—to go to the post-office—I did not say who it was from—I gave him the letter as well, and he walked down Old Street reading it—I did not read the letter—I can't read writing—I don't think Wallace can read—Oldacre walked down Old Street, and we went to a public-house near the post-office, and had some rum together—I told him some one had been with it before to the post-office—I heard that from Wallace—Oldacre did not say anything to that—we waited at the corner of Bath Street—there were two or three other persons about, but I did not know them—I do not know Teddy Main—Wallace was with some others when I first saw him, and he left them and came with me—there was not a quantity of men.

Cross-examined. Q. Does not Wallace work at the top of the market? A. No—Oldacre does; that was the way I knew him—I did not send Oldacre to the post-office; he said he would go—we were not watching—I saw them come out of the post-office when I was outside the public-house—I did not go away—I saw Miller give him to another constable, and then I went away.

Oldacre received a good character.


28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-980
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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980. MARY ANN HURLEY (27) and ANN WEST (23) , Robbery with violence on Gertrude Kemmen, and stealing a shawl, her property.

MR. LEIGH conducted the Prosecution, and MR. WOOD the Defence.

GERTRUDE KEMMEN (interpreted). I live at 3, Exeter Street, Chelsea—on Tuesday, 15th October, I was in Piccadilly with my husband—the two prisoners came up, and West caught hold of me—I pushed her away, and then she threatened to stab us, and Hurley struck a little girl that was with us—West then tore my shawl from my back, and passed it to some other female, who ran away—it was not Hurley she passed it to—they also tore my bonnet into ribbons—I can't swear that it was either of the prisoners did that—the value of the shawl is about a pound—I did not give the prisoners any provocation.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you walking with your husband? A. Yes—arm in arm—there was a gentleman and the little girl and another person—there were five of us altogether—my husband did not touch the prisoners in passing—West immediately came up to my husband and made a grab at his chain—I pushed her away from my husband, and she said, "I will stab the man"—my husband ran away—I then went after my husband, and heard the little girl scream, and saw Hurley beating her—there were only two of the prisoners and five of us—some of our party were behind, bat they immediately came to our assistance.

ANNA BLOIZ. I was with Mr. and Mrs. Kemmen in Piccadilly on the night in question—West went up to my uncle, Mr. Kemmen, and took hold

of him by the chest—he then ran away—Hurley caught hold of me and struck me several blows in the face—West stole the shawl from my aunt's back—it was not Hurley took the shawl.

Cross-examined. Q. On which side was Hurley with respect to your uncle? A. They were both on the same side—I will swear my uncle never touched West—my aunt pushed her away—the prisoners were coming in an opposite direction—they met us—it was about five minutes past nine at night—we were coming from the theatre—West threatened to stab my uncle—nothing was said or done by my party to them—it was about five minutes before they were given into custody—the prisoners were striking and abusing us till the police came up—Harley did not try to run away—they were given into custody as soon as the police came up.

THOMAS JEFFRIES (Policeman C 201). I was in Piccadilly—I heard a disturbance—when I came up I found the last witness bleeding at the nose—Mrs. Kemmen gave the two prisoners into custody for robbing and assaulting her.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you find Hurley standing by them? A. Yes; West ran away—I was not there at the time, but came up soon after—there was a great crowd—Mr. Kemmen speaks English—he said, "I shall give these two in charge for robbing my wife and assaulting the little girl"—West owned the assault—she said that she struck the little girl, but did not say anything about being struck herself—Hurley said she never struck any of them, and never saw the girl—she gave me her address, and I made inquiries and found it true.

West's Defence. The prosecutrix struck me first.

GUILTY. Nine Months each.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-981
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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981. CAROLINE DAY (14) was indicted for wilful and corrupt perjury.

MR. METCALFE conducted the Prosecution, and MR. W. SLEIGH the Defence.

WILLIAM LIVINGSTONE. I am chief usher at the Thames Police-court—I was present at the Court on Wednesday, the 9th October—I have a summons here against Martha Burridge, of 9, Oley Place, Stepney Green, dated 4th October, 1867—it was called on and heard by Mr. Benson—on that hearing the prisoner was a witness, she was sworn and said she was with her sister, Martha Burridge, the whole of that day, the 2nd October; that she well recollected the day, because they had both been to the County Court; that they were not in Johnson Street that day, nor had she been in that street for three months; and that her sister did not knock at the door of the complainant—she repeated this more than twice.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you the person who gave her the book to swear her? A. I was; she answered some of the questions put to her by Mr. Benson—he asked her what she had to say, and then she told her story—the fine in this case was 40s.—the prisoner did not present herself, but was called by Mrs. Burridge, I believe—I am quite sure she said they had not been in the street, and she was with Mrs. Burridge the whole day—this evidence was taken down by the Magistrate's clerk—she said she remembered the day, because they were at the County Court—I saw this written down by the Magistrate's clerk: "Defence—Caroline Day—I was with the defendant that day—we never went into the street, and have not been in that street for three months."

SUSAN SMITH. I am the wife of Benjamin Smith, and live at Johnson Street—I was the complainant against Martha Burridge—it was a summons

for rent against her at the County Court—I succeeded, and it was to be paid to me—on coming home from the County Court I left them in Whitechapel—I went home—I had not been home ten minutes before two or three knocks at the door came—I opened the door and saw Mrs. Burridge and the prisoner, they said, "Come outside here, "and I then shut the door—I afterwards heard them outside—they remained about an hour—she said, "I have come from the County Court, and have gained the day, "and she also called me all manner of names—I appeared on this summons, and gave my evidence before Mr. Benson.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you say you heard them outside, and when you went to the door they said, "Come out here? "A. Yes; I heard the prisoner say, "Come out here, we will show you"—I am perfectly sure of that—I have been examined before, my depositions were taken down in writing, and I signed them—I did not say I never heard the prisoner say anything, she said nothing to me—I know Mrs. Sheen's house in Short Street—my lodger told me they were making a noise at Mrs. Sheen's door—I did not see them afterwards.

EMMA WHEELER. I am the wife of Edward Wheeler, and lodge at 56, Johnson Street, with Mrs. Smith—I remember her coming home from the County Court, and shortly after a knocking at the door attracted my attention—I was on the stairs when I heard it, and saw Mrs. Smith open the door—I saw the prisoner and Mrs. Burridge outside the door—I did not hear anything said—Mrs. Smith shut the door as quickly as she could—they stayed outside for about an hour or an hour and a half—they were calling Mrs. Smith bad names, and making a noise—a great many people collected in the street—I am quite sure the prisoner was one of the persons in Johnson Street.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you hear the prisoner say anything? A. No, nothing at all.

MATILDA SHEENE. I am the wife of James Sheene, and live nearly opposite to Mrs. Smith—on the 2nd October I saw the prisoner in Johnson Street—she was with her sister—they were making a noise in the street—Mrs. Burridge had her rent-book in her hand, and she said she had gained the day at the County Court, and had come round to let the neighbours know—they remained there some time, about an hour, calling out—I spoke to them—I have only seen Mrs. Burridge passing in and out of Mrs. Smith's house—I am quite sure she was the person.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you been examined before? A. Yes; I said before the Magistrate they were within a yard or two of my door—Mrs. Burridge said she wished Mrs. Smith would look out of the window, and the prisoner said, "I wish she would."

GUILTY. Three Months' Imprisonment.

FOURTH COURT.—Wednesday, October 30th, 1867.

Before Mr. Recorder.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-982
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment; Imprisonment

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982. GEORGE DORSETT (34), WILLIAM GRIGG (24), GEORGE GRIGG (22), and WILLIAM WILLIAMS (20) , Burglary in the dwellinghouse of Thomas Fairhead, and stealing coins, value 1l. 15s his property. MR. CUNNINGHAM conducted the Prosecution, and MR. COOPER

defended George and William Grigg.

FREDERICK FLOYD (Policeman). On the morning of the 30th August

list I was in Waterloo Street, Limehouse, about ten minutes past two; I noticed William Grigg passing to and fro, he then walked to a public-house, give three gentle knocks with his knuckle, and said something through the door which I could not understand—after waiting about two minutes he walked to the rear of the house—I followed him and heard a noise apparently of a side gate opening—when I reached the spot I saw four other men get over the wooden fence at the rear of the house—William Grigg was the nearest, and I took hold of him—the others turned round and said it was all right, and immediately one struck me a blow over my eye—I could not see which it was—they all then ran away, and I followed them for about 150 yards, when I ran Dorsett into the hands of K 330—I was within a few yards of him at the time he was stopped—I then returned to the prosecutor's premises and examined, the back gate, and found a panel had been forced out and an entrance made by removing the bolts—I awoke the prosecutor and went with him into the house—a poker was lying on the sofa, which was broken, and which, as well as the walls, showed that it had been used—the landlord afterwards found a knife—I examined Dorsett and found some matches upon him—the light was clear enough about this time, as all four of the men were near a street lamp—one of the men who came out of the house is not in custody.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you no doubt as to the identity of the prisoners? A. No; George Grigg was about two yards off me when I noticed him—there was nothing between us—I have not said I could not be certain as to him—I have known him the last two or three years—he had a cap on with a peak to it—the other brother had a low-crowned cap—a "wide-awake"—I had not my bull's-eye, and the only light was the gas-lamp.

Dorsett. Q. Why didn't you then take me into custody? A. You ran away, and I ran you into the bands of another man.

THOMAS FAIRHEAD. I am a publican, carrying on business at the Needle-makers' Arms, in Limehouse Street—I saw my house secure at twelve o'clock on the night of the 29th of August—both the outer gate and back door were fastened—the back parlour door was also locked—I was aroused on Friday morning, the 30th, and proceeded to examine my premises—the bar-parlour door was open, and I went to the shelves and found that the money, amounting to 35s. was gone—1l, 6s. was in silver, the rest in copper—"besides this, there was some defaced coin which we kept on the shelf—the poker produced is mine—it was left in the fireplace, and not broken.

HARRIET FAIRHEAD. I am the prosecutor's daughter—I am thirteen years of age—I recognise this Jersey penny, and saw that on the shelf in the bar on the previous night—there were other coins, but I could not undertake to identify them.

JOHN MANSFIELD (Policeman 398 K). I saw a number of persons drinking at the Pigott Arms on the morning of the 30th of August last, about a quarter before one o'clock—I left about one o'clock—the prisoners are the persons, but there was another with them—I followed and kept them in sight till they passed up the Commercial Road, about 150 yards from prosecutor's house—when I saw them drinking, it was through the door—I have no doubt as to the persons, and have known the two Griggs and Williams about three years—I took William Grigg and Williams into custody—I told Williams he was concerned with four others with breaking into the Needle-makers' Arms public-house—I took William Grigg first,

and upon searching him found 4s. 6d. in silver, 4 1/2d. in copper, and seven foreign coins.

Cross-examined. Q. Didn't William Grigg say you were mistaken, and that he had not been with these two men? A. He only said, "Is that what I am charged with? "—I positively mean to say that I have known the Griggs two or three years, and that William was the person I saw there.

Williams. The sergeant said, "If we don't have the right, we will have the wrong."Witness. He did not say that.

SIMEON BROWN. (Policeman 32 K). I took George Grigg into custody on the Friday night, about ten o'clock—I found 7d. upon him—I told him the charge, and he said 398 K said he was there, but, though he had been drinking in a public-house, he went home at half-past twelve, and went through Tooley Street, Borough, on his way—he heard some one was after him.

Cross-examined. Q. Didn't George say he went home to bed with in wife? A. No—he did not say his mother could prove it.

Dorsett's Defence. I was on my way home, and, noticing the policeman holding a man by the tail of his coat, stopped to see, and while there a second man came up and struck the policeman, who immediately chased the man that struck him. A third police constable comes and asks me what is the matter, and I told him I did not know; then the other police constable comes back and says, "I'll make some b----suffer for this; if I can't get the right, I'll have the wrong one, "The policeman knows nothing of me. I am a seafaring man.

Williams. I am innocent, and get my living in the docks.

GUILTY. —DORSETT† and WILLIAMS†— Twelve Months' Imprisonment ;WILLIAM GRIGG*†— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment ;GEORGE GRIGG— Nine Months' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-983
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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983. JAMES MURPHY (30) , Robbery with violence on Francis Kerekhooe, and stealing from him a watch and chain.

MR. COLLINS conducted the Prosecution, and MR. PATER the Defence.

FRANCIS KEREKHOOE. I am a sculptor, residing in Hampstead Road—on the evening of the 26th October I was coming down the Tottenham Court Road at about ten o'clock, and when I arrived at Messrs. Maple's establishment a man came and struck me a blow in the throat, and another snatched my watch—I followed prisoner to Tottenham Place, when I lost sight of, him at the corner—he went round into the Euston Road—I still pursued him, and only caught sight of him for a moment—I raised a cry—I have no doubt prisoner is the man who took my watch—it is worth 22l.

Cross-examined. Q. Is Messrs. Maple's establishment at the corner of Tottenham Place? A. Yes; it was just round the corner of their shop that I lost sight of the man—the shop was closed—it was rather dark—it was very sudden—the man at the corner was an entire stranger to me, but I had no idea of his being a thief—I could see very well.

MR. COLLINS. Q. Did you see any difference in the man after a minute or two? A. No—I recognised the same man, still running.

THOMAS DAVEY. I live at 145, Tottenham Court Road, and am an assistant to Messrs. Maple—I saw three men in Tottenham Place together—I have often seen the prisoner there before, but I cannot say if he was one of the men there that night—I did not notice the prosecutor till he was pushed over by one of the men—they all ran away towards the bottom

of Tottenham Place, Where there is a passage running to the Euston Road—I ran after them to the Euston Road—I heard prosecutor cry, "Stop thief"—he was then about twenty or thirty yards from prisoner—I saw the police constable take prisoner into custody—I did not hear what he said then—when I saw the three men first I did not know what was taking place, and did not notice them particularly.

Cross-emamined. Q. Are you able to say who any of the men were? A. No; I am not able to say if prisoner is one of them, although I have seen him there before—they ran by me, one a little in advance of the other.

JOHN SUDBURY (Policeman 475 A). On the night of the 26th October I saw the prisoner running towards the corner of the Tottenham Court Road, coming from Tottenham Place—there were about 100 people running after him, crying, "Stop thief! "—when he was stopped the prosecutor came up and charged him with stealing his watch—all the prisoner said was, "I am not the man, it is another person"—I took him into custody.

Cross-examined. Q. There was a great crowd? A. Several persons running in the same direction—it was about 200 yards from Messrs. Maple's—the prosecutor recognised him at once and did not express any doubt.

Prisoner. I only ask for mercy. GUILTY. Six Months' Imprisonment .

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-984
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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984. MARY SHARMAN* (45) and MARY BURNS (25) , Robbery with violence on James Cooper, and stealing an order for payment of 7l. 10s., and other articles, his property.

MR. GRIFFITHS conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES COOPER. I was lodging at the Bear public-house, St. John Street, Clerkenwell—on the 25th of last month I was walking along that street—I had had a little to drink, but was quite capable of taking care of myself—the prisoners followed me and pushed me from the pavement—there was a man near—I was pushed down—I heard Sharman say, "Pick his pockets"—they then took my watch-keys from my left-hand waistcoat pocket—there was a knife also, and some needles, of which I had broken the points for the purpose of using them in the leather trade—these are the same needles—Sharman then said I had an inside pocket, and they ripped open my waistcoat, and took from it a 10l. note and a pound's worth of postage stamps—they ran off—I called "Police! "—I am certain as to the identity of both of the prisoners.

COURT. Q. Are those needles used in the leather trade? A. Not as they are now, but the points are rounded and made suitable for that business—I am quite positive those needles formed part of the property taken from me—they are not adapted for women's work.

JOHN GILROYD (Policeman 126 G). On the morning of the 25th of September I heard a cry of "Police! "and ran up Old Street and saw the prosecutor—from information I received, I apprehended Sharman on the evening of the 25th and told her the charge—she said she knew nothing about it—next morning she said she was there, but did not rob the prosecutor.

HENRY EAST (Policeman 151 G). I apprehended Burns shortly after ten o'clock on the night of the 27th—I told her she was concerned with another in a robbery in Old Street—she said she knew nothing about it—she

was taken to the station and placed with four other females, and the prosecutor came there and identified them—I then went to her lodgings—she gave me her address, but didn't know whether it was No. 6 or No. 4—I found it to be No. 4—I went to both houses, but came back to the prisoner, after going to No. 6, when she told me it might be No. 4—I found these things there, with the exception of the keys, which she gave me, one of which opened the box.

Burns's Defence. Those needles in the box belong to me. The rest belong to my husband.

Shaman's Defence. I have had no hand in it. I am quite destitute.

GUILTY. Twelve Months' Imprisonment each.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-985
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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985. CHARLES THOMAS (22) and CHARLES WALKER (20) , Stealing forty eggs, the property of Arthur McNamara, the master of Walker. MR. WARNER SLEIGH conducted the Prosecution, and MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS defended Walker.

HENRY MOREY (City Policeman 811). On the 18th October, at about a quarter-past six, I was in Lower Thames Street—Walker was driving a railway van—I was regulating the traffic—I passed him three times and noticed each time Thomas was putting something into a bag and placing it behind Walker—I stood near the front wheel and watched—Walker said, "Here's the Police"—Thomas said, "Where? "—Walker said, "Here, on the van"—Thomas jumped off into the road, and another constable caught him—I took Walker also into custody—Walker said he knew nothing about it.

GEORGE GALLOP (City Policeman 998). I saw the van in Lower Thames Street—I have heard what the last constable has said, and corroborate his statement about the eggs—Walker saw the other constable and said, "Here comes the Police"—Thomas made for the back of the van and got out, and, caught him at the tail.

Cross-examined. Q. Walker was driving? A. He was, and Thomas was close behind the dickey.

EDWIN HARRIS. I am clerk to Mr. McNamara—Walker was also in his employment—Thomas had no right to remove anything—he was not in Mr. McNamara's employ.

Cross-examined. Q. Is it not a fact that carmen have additional help when necessary? A. It is—I should not think there was occasion for extra help here.

WALKER— NOT GUILTY. THOMAS— GUILTY. Three Months' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-986
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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986. CHARLES FLANAGAN (28) , Embezzling and stealing the sums of 8l. 8s., 1l. 13s. 4d., and 6s., of Thomas Flight.

MR. BESLEY conducted the Prosecution, and MR. GRIFFITHS the Defence.

JOHN EDWIN TOWNSEND. I live at 2, George's Buildings—I have been paying an annual rental of 60l., payable quarterly—I owed a quarter's rent—Mr. Hine called on the 2nd August; I did not know him—Flanagan called on the 6th I think; at all events, it was early in August—I paid him 8l. 8s.—I got the receipt produced, and gave him a written permission to re-enter if necessary.

Cross-examined. Q. The prisoner came to you as a broker? A. Yes—it was a claim for rent—he said he came from Flight's, and was a

broker, and must have the rent that day, Saturday—I told him it was an awkward day, and promised to settle it in a few days—I then signed a paper to that effect.

ALFRED AUGER. I am out of employment now—I was employed to go to Mr. Williams, of 4, Westmoreland Terrace—I received from him 1l. 13s. 4d., and paid it to Flanagan.

EMILY GUEST. I paid the prisoner 6s.—I never paid him any money before—he said he wanted 9s. more the next morning—various sums had been paid to him—he had no book to enter it in, and said he would give mother the receipt.

SELINA GUEST. I did not see the prisoner after my little girl paid him the 6s.—I keep that book—that entry was signed in the city by one of the clerks—there was a bother in the city about what I paid, that is the reason my book was sent to the city.

BENJAMIN FLETCHER. I am manager for Mr. Flight—I was present when the agreement was made—prisoner read all the rules and regulations referred to in it—his salary was 18s. per week and commission—it was afterwards increased to 23s.; the commission was not altered—he was paid weekly—he was expected to attend in the office, and was not allowed to work for any one else—if I had known of such a thing I should have discharged him—it was his duty to pay over to Mr. Yarrow, the cashier, what he received.

Cross-examined. Q. He has not signed the rules? A. The rules were not signed, because the cashier was away at the time—there is no rule to the effect that he should not work for any one else, but it was understood—I advertised in one of the morning papers for a distraining broker—the character I got from him was not from the Great Western Railway, but from a large auctioneer in the City Road—it was a good one—the fine of 2s. 6d. in Rule 11 was to induce the collectors to enter the amount received the same evening, in order that the brokers might make up their accounts—there was also another fine of 2s, 6d. upon any collector who did not settle before six o'clock on Friday—the cash was paid in daily to Mr. Yarrow, but the weekly account included a report of what was done during the week, so that the broker could make up his books for Mr. Flight ready for Saturday morning—the collectors were not often fined—I do not know the brokers fined themselves under that rule—his father signed an agreement that he would be security for him.

MR. BESLET. Q. Is this the advertisement upon which he applied for the situation? A. It is—I have not a copy of his letter.

EDWARD HENRY YARROW. I am cashier to Mr. Flight—I receive from the brokers and the collectors every day, when I put my initials to the entries of what I receive—the book in which the entries are made is called the warrant book—there was an entry for the 2nd August, debiting Townsend with 14l. 10s.—there is an entry also of the 29th August against Mr. Williams for 1l, 13s. 4d., and also Mrs. Guest on the 3rd September—I saw the prisoner at the time of his engagement in June, 1867—he got his information as to where to call from the collectors—I never paid the wages.

Cross-examined. Q. You cannot say whether there are any wages due? A. No—I do not remember prisoner paying me a cheque for 7l.—I remember his giving me an I 0 U for 6l. on the Friday he left the office—he gave it me to take care of, and I gave him an I 0 U for it—I knew there was some balance—I wrote a letter to him on September 7, to

bring the balance—the letter ran: "I must request that you bring the balance of your money to my house, Maritime Cottage, Elm Road, Rye Lane, Peckham, to-night. If I am not at home, leave it with my servant, or the matter will become serious. Yours faithfully, C. H. Yarrow."It is the custom to audit our books at the end of the quarter, and any amounts that are omitted are debited against the parties so omitted or deducted out of their wages—the prisoner never appeared after the writing of that letter—there is no other person authorised to receive money from the brokers and collectors, but I cannot say it was never done—I do not know that the collector Willis ever received money.

GEORGE WILLIS. I am a collector—Mrs. Guest is a tenant in my collection—I never received the 6s. from Flanagan—Mr. Williams was not in my district.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you never receive money from Flanagan? A. No—I am Mr. Flight's servant—I do not receive a commission—I did not go to Barnet Fair.

HENRY HINE. I am one of the collectors—I gave Flanagan directions to go to Mr. Townsend, and likewise Mr. Williams—I did not receive 8l. 8s. from Mr. Townsend, or 1l. 13s. 4d. from Mr. Williams.

HARRY HISCOCKS. I am also a collector for Mr. Flight; I also paid Flanagan his salary—that is my entry—there are other entries of receipts of money—I have nothing to do with the eight guineas received from Mr. Townsend or from Mr. Williams.

WILLIAM DICKENS. I am clerk to Mr. Flight—I received instructions about the 19th of September to go to the prisoner's lodgings, No. 3, Norfolk Street, Mile End—I did not find him there—from information I received I went to Hammersmith—he was not there—next morning I went again to the house, and his wife was seen there during the day, but not by me—Mr. Willis went to the public-house at Gray's Inn—the officer went with me on the 19th.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you know an application was made to Worship Street? A. Yes; it was not in that district.

CHRISTOPHER IRVINE. I am clerk to Mr. Flight—I saw the prisoner previous to his engagement—I sent him to Mr. Fletcher.

CHARLES BROWN (City Policeman 673). I went with Mr. Willis to take the prisoner into custody at the Lion public-house—I told him the charge—he said, "Very well."

MR. GRIFFITHS submitted that this case did not come within the meaning of the Act of Parliament, under which prisoner was indicted, he being a broker and not an ordinary servant. MR. RECORDER. "If there had been an alteration in their arrangement there might have been some question as to whether defendant was a broker or servant; but the fact of his being exclusively employed by the prosecutor, and receiving a weekly salary from him, brings the can within the meaning of the Act." GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Imprisonment.

NEW COURT.—Thursday, October 3lst, 1867.

Before Mr. Recorder.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-987
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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987. JAMES CLARKE (25) , Stealing a watch and chain from the person of James Thomas Keell, from his person.

MR. HOUSTON conducted the Prosecution, and MR. MOIR the Defence.

JOHN THOMAS KEELL. I am publisher of the Standard newspaper, at 105, Shoe Lane—one day in the beginning of October, about half-past one or a quarter to two, I was in the Arches, a turning out of Farringdon Street—there was a great disturbance—I stood on one side to see what was going on—there was a rush, and the prisoner took hold of my chain and dragged my watch from my pocket—I caught him by the collar and held him five or six minutes, and gave him in charge—while I was struggling with him some other man cut the remainder of my chain—I have not found my watch.

Cross-examined. Q. What makes you certain of him? A. Because while he had his hand on my chain I had my hand on his collar—it was the middle of the day, and there were a great many people about—this is a betting place—there was a very large crowd, and people were close to me all round—I had the prisoner in custody when the other man took hold of the remainder of my chain—I did not keep him in custody, but he did not go nearly so far as you are from me—he was not twelve or fifteen yards from me before he was taken—the whole space is nothing like so wide as this Court—I never lost sight of him till he was in custody.

GEORGE MEASURES (City Policeman 455). On 9th October I saw the prosecutor and prisoner in Farringdon Street—there was a tremendous rush, and I saw the prisoner place his hand on the prosecutor's watch-chain—I was five or six yards away—I took the prisoner, who was rescued by the mob from the prosecutor's custody—I had a struggle with him and got him to the station, but no watch was found on him—he said, "I know nothing about it; the prosecutor knows I was not there"—I did not lose sight of the prisoner, I was not five-yards away, and I had known him by sight for some weeks.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you seen him before? A. Yes, frequenting that place—there was a great crowd.

GUILTY. He was further charged with having been convisted in February, 1863, in the name of James Young, to which he PLEADED GUILTY.**— Eight Years' Penal Servitude.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-988
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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988. WILLIAM DICKINSON (18) , Stealing fire shawls and one box, the property of Henry Bollen and another.

MR. WOOD conducted the Prosecution.

HENRY RANDALL (City Policeman 168). On the afternoon of 15th October I was with Outram in Moorgate Street, and saw the prisoner with this box (produced), containing five lace shawls—he was looking into it, and his manner excited my suspicion—I questioned him where he got them—he said, "A man gave them to me to carry"—I asked him what they were—he said, "Some things to go down the front of ladies dresses, which my mother made"—I saw an invoice on the top which I took out; it contains the name of the prosecutor—I asked him where he was going to take them—he said that he hardly knew, for a man gave them to him to carry—I took him in custody, made inquiries, and found they belonged to Messrs. Bollen and Tidswell—I searched him at the station and found the key and a knife—I went next morning with the key, and found it opened the prosecutor's door.

Prisoner. I gave you my right address. Witness. No, it was false—another officer went and inquired about it.

THOMAS WILKINSON. I am porter to Bollen and Tidswell, lace manufacturers, 3, Wood Street, Cheapside—I put this box in the commercial

traveller's trap, which was standing in front of our warehouse, and laid a book upon it—I then locked the chaise up—I had occasion to unlock the door again to enter an additional parcel, and when I went to replace the book I missed the parcel—I was only away two minutes, on the outside—I went down to the Bow Lane Station, and when I returned I saw it in Randall's possession, and knew it again—it is worth 30l. 15s.

ROBERT OUTRAM (City Policeman 175). I have heard Randall's evidence; it is correct—the prisoner gave his address 10, Devenant Row, Rotherhithe—there is such a place, and the house is inhabited.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate:—"I know nothing at all about them; they were given to me. I picked up the key."

Prisoner's Defence. I am innocent; he gave them to me to walk along with, and I did so.

GUILTY. He was further charged with having been convicted at the Court in July, 1866, in the name of William Johnson, to which he PLEADED GUILTY.**— Two Tears' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-989
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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989. GEORGE HAYES (20) , Feloniously cutting and wounding Joseph George Hill, with intent to do him some grievous bodily harm. The prisoner having stated that he was GUILTY of unlawfully wounding, the Jury found that verdict. He received an excellent character. Recommended to mercy by the prosecutor.— Eight Months' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-990
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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990. ADAM OSTER (31) and PHILIBERT KOCKMANN (31) , Unlawfully obtaining eight casks of wine of Konrad Hammell and another by false pretences. Second Count, Unlawfully conspiring to obtain divers goods, with intent to defraud. MR. HOUSTON conducted the Prosecution, and MR. STRAIGHT defended Oster.

KONRAD HAMMELL (through an interpreter). I live at Wisengen, near Neustadt, in Bavaria, and am in partnership with my father-in-law Schmidt, as wine merchants—in August, 1866, Oster was introduced to me—he said that he was the agent of a London railway and steamboat company, and was introduced to us by his former master, who felt very proud that he came back to his former country, being a rich man now; he had been dining at our house, and found our wines very good, and that in that article there was a good deal of business to be done in London; that he had a very extensive connection in London, and would recommend us, and would only recommend us to very good houses, with whom we might transact business—he took a case of wine samples with him, which he paid for, but no orders came—in June, 1867, I wrote to him and received, this letter ("P") in reply—I have never seen him write.

SEBASTIAN LANGE. I am a hairdresser, of 266, Mile End Road—I have known Oster three years, and Kockmann three or four months—I have seen Oster write frequently—these letters, N, O, and P, are in his writing. (Letter P was in German, dated June 28th, 1867, from A. Oster, 266, Mile End Road, to M. Schmidt, stating that he wished to introduce Messrs. Kockmann, who had the largest wine-merchant business in England, receiving whole ship-loads from Spain and Portugal.)

KONRAD HAMMELL (continued). I received the letter marked O, which caused me to come over at once. (This was dated September 28th, from Oster to Messrs. Schmidt, asking for a price list, as he felt satisfied he should be able to procure customers, being engaged in one of the largest spirit houses in England, established in 1820, and that the firm of Kockmann had failed, and Messrs. Schmidt should do no more business with them.)

WILLIAM RYMER (Police Sergeant A 1). I took Kockmann in custody at Chesterfield, Derbyshire—I locked him up for the night, and next morning, in the presence of Superintendent Wheildon, he said, "For God's sake have mercy on my poor wife and children; I will tell you all about it"—I said, "Before you tell me anything, I will tell you what evidence I have against you"—I told him what money was found in his box, and the clearance, and all the correspondence from Schmidt, and from Mr. Wilson, the Custom House agent—he said, "Yes, he cleared it for me, and he paid me the money"—I said, "I likewise found the original consignment from Schmidt and Hammell to the merchant at Antwerp, and 30l. in sovereigns in your box, making, with the 2l. 10s. 9d. found on you, 32l. 10s. 9d.; the 2l. 10s. 9d. I gave to your wife, and I shall keep the 30l."—he said, "It is all Oster's fault; he led me into it"—his wife was present—he said, "Those letters were found in my box, they are from Schmidt, the others are written by me, and the bill heads in your possession, which you say Schmidt gave me, are written by me"—I said, "They are printed bill heads"—he said, "Yes; I know Kockmann and Co., of 3 and 4, Bow Street, Stepney, near the gasworks; I printed those myself at Dowgate Hill, in a printing-office where I was at work"—I said, "I have three letters in my possession, which I found at Oster's house, written in English, and signed by you"—he said, "I know it, that is where I speak to Oster about the wine"—I said, "You say, in the presence of your wife and Superintendent Wheildon, that you wrote those letters and printed those bill heads''—(I did not show him the letters at that time)—he said, "Yes, I did"—I took the letter in my hand, turned it down in this way, that he could see it, and said, "You wrote that letter? "—he said, "Yes"—I cannot say which letter it was, as I had them all in my hand together—they are the same bill heads, and had the same heading—he said, "I was introduced by a baker, named Clunkert, to a man named Capma, a general merchant; he sold the wine for me, but the money was paid to me by Mr. Wilson, the Custom House agent; I gave the baker 5l. and Capma 7l. 10s. for commission"—I found this receipt in Kockmann's box for the 7l. 10s.—I unlocked the box with a key which I found in his pocket—he added, "And the money you found is all that I; have left"—he said that he received 120l. for the wine, and that he had given some money to his friends and bought some furniture—he again implored me to have mercy on his wife and children, as he did not care for himself, but for them—on the road to London by railway he repeated substantially the same—I told him I found three letters in Oster's box—he said, "I know, I wrote them"—I took him to London and locked him up, and next morning he thanked me for the kindness I had shown his wife in giving her the money—on 16th October I took Oster at 1, Elfin Villas, Forest Hill; when I knocked he opened the door; I read the warrant to him and said, "Do you understand it? "—he said, "I understand something"—I then read it in German—he said, "Oh! we have to prove that; I hope you will do things as quiet as you can, because my wife is very weak"—I searched and found this price list of wines from Schmidt and Hammell, and in a little box I found these three letters, signed by Kockmann—when I laid hold of them he said, "I do not think you have any right to take them, because they are private letters"—those are the letters marked "A, B, and C"—I said, "I have told you already I shall take all papers addressed to you; if they turn out private I shall be very glad to hand them to you"—he said, "I may as well tell you those are three letters relating to the

matter"—I likewise found in his pocket a letter, which was dictated by me at the Bavarian Consul's office, to Messrs. Hammell—I saw it written—I cannot identify it, but I dictated it and told them to have it copied—it is marked "M." (This was from Kockmann, requesting Mr. Hammell to call on him on Sunday, and talk about the wine. Dated 10th June, 1867. Letter B was from Kockmann to Oster stating that he should wait in for him till 10.30 on Thursday. Letter C was dated 3rd September from Kockmann to Oster, complaining that he had not called.)

Cross-examined. Q. Of what nation is Oster? A. A Bavarian—German is his native tongue—there is some of my writing on these letters found at Oster's—there were no dates, and I copied the dates, 3rd September, 3rd August, and 23rd August, from the post-marks on the letters themselves; there were no envelopes—Oster went quite quietly—I took him to King Street, Poplar, Station.

COURT. Q. Did you speak to him in German? A. In English; I told him I would speak in which language he preferred; he has been forty years in England.

KOCKMANN. Q. What did you say to me? A. "How do you do, Mr. Kockmann? "—you said, "I do not know you"—I said, "Our acquaintance is soon made; I am a sergeant of police, and must take you in custody"—I took you to the station and read the warrant in English and German.

COURT. Q. Before you read it, what did you tell him the charge will A. Conspiracy with Oster, already in custody, against Schmidt and his partner, and defrauding them of eight casks of wine, value 280l. 7s.—he said, "All right, I did not defraud them; I had them consigned to me with six months' credit."

Kockmann. Q. Next morning did I say, "It is all Oster's fault, I wish I had never seen Oster, if he had never come to me about this business I should not have been in trouble now? "A. You said so on Monday, at the police-court—you said to me, "I gave money to my friends"—when I said that I found three letters at Oster's house written in your name, you said, "I know I wrote him some letters"—I did not ask you at the station at Chesterfield how much money you gave to Oster—you did not say, "Oster never had a farthing of the money; "you wanted to speak about Oster, and I cautioned you not to do so.

JOHN HAMMELL (re-examined). This letter ("Q") is the first I received. I sent eight casks of wine, value 278l. and a few shillings, to the firm of P. Kockmann and Co., 3 and 4, Bow Street—I should not have done so if I had not believed them to be an old-established wine house, as Oster said, who sent ship-loads of wine all over the world—we have received no money in payment for the wine—this is my price list—Oster received one in Germany, and one I sent to him in England, but whether this is it I cannot say.

Cross-examined. Q. Is this an ordinary price list? A. Yes—I hate only one partner, my father-in-law, Henry Schmidt; the business is all carried on in that name; we transact business together and live in the same house—Oster came over in August and stayed four or five days, we were on very friendly terms, he was very well dressed, and his old master felt himself very much honoured by the visit of his pupil—they had no communications till July in the present year, except that he wrote over seven times to other people, and sent his compliments to us—we did not offer for him to do business for us—it was he who said that he knew good houses.

SEBASTIAN LANGE (re-examined). About five or six weeks ago I saw

Kockmann—he said that he wanted to see Mr. Oster very particularly, as he had to do some business with him, and wanted to see him at his house—about four weeks ago I saw Oster—he said that Mr. Kockmann had some business, and he had recommended him to Germany to a wine merchant, and afterwards he said that he would go to the Custom House—Oster was in the habit of having letters addressed to my house—I allowed it—I have known him about three years, and have had eight, nine, or a dozen letters from him; he sent this letter (N) to me. (This requested the witness to send all letters to A. Oster, 1, Elfin Villas, Grove Road, Forest Hill, Kent) On the day after I received that letter I saw Oster—he asked if I had any letters—I said, "No"—he said, "If anybody comes and asks for me, I have not much time; do not let anybody know where I live"—he mentioned having received letters from Germany, and once he showed me a letter and read it in the shop—he told me that he was a tailor, but had not worked for seven or eight years, and did not know the trade—I did not know of his being in any other business.

Cross-examined. Q. You know that he lived in the country, at Forest Hill? A. Yes—the conversation I spoke of just now was shortly before I saw Mr. Hammell—Oster said that he recommended Mr. Kockmann to a wine merchant—it was on the 22nd of last month, and he said that if he did not want to do any business with him he would stop him.

COURT. Q. Do you know anything about the wine coming here? A. He said that he did recommend Mr. Kockmann to a wine merchant; he did not say when the wine arrived.

HENRY WARD. I have known Kockmann four months as a printer—I first employed him on, I think, 1st July for a portion of a week, and several times for a week and a portion of a week—I live at 4, College Street, Stepney—I knew of his living at 3, Bow Street, but did not know of his carrying on the wine trade there—it is a four-roomed house, a cottage—there was no appearance of the wine trade—he was, I believe, the tenant, and let a portion of it in lodgings—I met him at the Prince of Prussia, in Cologne Street, in September—I asked him how business was—he said, "In our business it is rather more brisk than usual, but I am out of that now; I am in another business"—he said that he had made a certain sum in a certain time, but I cannot be positive what—I said, "If it is bond fide, and you will assist me, I should like to have a leaf out of your book"—he said, "I will show you, "and he showed me an account of wine consigned to him from Germany.

COURT. Q. What was it, an account or a consignment? A. It was a list of wines and the amount—he said that he intended to carry on the trade of a wine merchant, and have a respectable counting-house in the city; that his working expenses would be very small, and he should be able to sell at a slight reduction, and in the meantime he thought he should be able to get an honest living better than he could at his own business, for being out of work sometimes three days and sometimes four days a week was very hard, and it was very hard indeed to see his poor children starving at times when he could not get work to support them—that was about 16th September.

KONRAD HAMMELL (re-examined). This letter D is probably written by one of our young men; it bears our signature. (This, being translated, was from F. Schmidt to Messrs. Kockmann and Co., sending a price list of wines, and offering to send samples.) The letter E is written and subscribed by my brother-in-law. (This was from the same to the same, inquiring by what

route the wine was to be sent, and in what description of cask.) I wrote three-fourths of that letter myself, and my brother-in-law finished and signed it (Another letter from the same to the same was here read, stating that the eight casks of wine had been sent, enclosing an invoice and requesting a draft at sight.)

Cross-examined. Q. When was it you received the letter telling you that Kockmann had failed? A. The last day of October—we had forwarded the wines on 9th September, and they arrived on the 30th.

DAVID KLENKERT. I am a baker and grocer, of 6, Ball Street, Stepney—some time last month I saw Kockmann—he said that he had a consign-ment of wine from Germany, and had six months' credit on it and that he was going to take an office in the city to do business—he gave me instruction, if I saw an office to let or a warehouse, to let him know, and asked me if I knew a merchant in the city whom I could introduce him to—I introduced him to Mr. Capna, of Cross Lane, whom I had been doing business with, and he paid me 5l. for the introduction.

Kockmann. Q. Did I tell you that the wines were very light, and not suitable for the season? A. You complained very much of their being light, and not what you expected—you said that if you lost by the first transaction you would endeavour to keep your payments good so as to keep your credit good, and be able in future to refer other houses to Messrs. Schmidt.

COURT. Q. Where was he living at this time? A. In Bow Street—I believe he is a printer; he told me so a short time before—he had goods of me—I keep a baker's and grocer's shop—he told me he was a printer, but was going into the wine trade, as trade was so bad.

LEWIS CAPNA. I am a general merchant, of 6, Cross Lane, St. Mary-at Hill—I did not know Kockmann before this transaction—a party introduced me to him, and he said that he had eight casks of wine, could I sell it—I said I would find him a customer—I introduced him to Mr. Harris, a wine broker, for which he paid me 7l. 10s.; this (produced) is my receipt—the transaction was completed on 26th September—I sold the wine through a broker fot 138l. odd, received the money, and handed it over to Mr: Wilson, the clearing broker, who gave me a cheque for 127l. 5s. 11d.—I handed over no money to Kockmann out of the 7l. 10s.—I gave a party who recommended me a sovereign—I may also state that there were 261 gallons short of what was represented—I know that by the Custom House gauge.

Kockmann. Q. Did I tell you the wines were very light? A. Yes, and not so good as you expected; that you had been offered 150l. for them, and you made a calculation, which I have here.

ALFRED MORRIS. I am clerk to Mr. Wilson, of 70, Lower Thames Street—on 17th September Kockmann brought a bill of lading to our office to clear eight casks of wine by the Union from Antwerp—we cleared them in Mr. Wilson's name, and the bill of lading passed into the broker's hands—the ship came in, I believe, on 14th September.

JAMES WILKINS. I am in a wine and spirit broker's office, in Mark Lane—some samples of Rhenish wine were brought there about the middle of September, first by Mr. Wilson, and afterwards by Mr. Capna—we sold the wine on 26th September to Mr. Elmer, a wine merchant of Great Tower Street—I have the entry here, 4l. 10s., for thirty gallons—127l.5s. 11d. was the amount paid to Mr. Capna.

JOHN BRYDEN (Policeman 4 K). I know 3 and 4, Bow Street, Stepney

there has been no wine business carried on there lately; they are but four-roomed cottages.

Kockmann's Defence. There was no previous arrangement between us; Oster wished to do me good to establish me in business. I received the eight casks of wine in good faith, and acknowledged the receipt. I intended to carry on the business, and in six months I should have endeavoured to pay him. It is not because I commenced business without a large capital that I intended to defraud.

The prisoners received good characters. GUILTY on Second Count.— Eighteen Months' Imprisonment each .

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-991
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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991. HENRY BROOK (52) , Unlawfully causing a certain trade mark to be applied to certain door-springs, with intent to defraud.

MESSRS. METCALFE and LEWIS conducted the Prosecution, and MR. POLAND the Defence.

JOSEPH LAMBERT. I am a retired police sergeant—on the 24th Jane, by Mr. Hodges' direction, I went to Messrs. Hart's, and there saw this accumulator, wrapped up as it is now—on the same day I went to Barron and Wilson's, and there bought this accumulator (produced)—on 25th June I went to Baker and Sons, of Tottenham Court Road, and there bought an accumulator—on 26th I bought another at File and Stedall's, all by Mr. Hodge's direction—they were in the state they are now, with the wrappers on them, when I purchased them—I have examined the wrappers they are all alike.

Cross-examined. You bought them just as they were, with the screws attacked to them? A. Yes.

WILLIAM PARSONS. I am buyer to Joseph Hart and Son, ironmongers, of Wych Street, Strand—I have seen the accumulator produced by Lambert as coming from our firm—we sell the sort in our trade—we buy them from Mr. Brooks—I can't exactly say when we bought the last, but I have the invoice in my pocket—we purchased them this year, and have been purchasing them for several years—there is a wrapper round each spring, (One of the wrappers was here unfolded; it described the springs as A B C door-springs, and bore the name of Bell, printer, 118, St. John Strut Road, Clerkenwell.)

WILLIAM STOFFER. I am employed by Barron and Wilson, ironmongers, Strand—I was in the habit of purchasing accumulators such as these—I can't recollect that I purchased this one of the prisoner, but I have not bought them of anybody else for the last three years—I buy them in the wrappers and sell them in the same condition—I have seen him call to be paid—I have not paid him—I have the invoices here—A, B, and C, are the different sizes.

BENJAMIN BEENEY. I am in the service of File and Stedall, of Bloomsbury—I have for the last two years purchased all the accumulators which I buy—I have bought them all of Mr. Brooks—these are the invoices (produced)—the A, B, and C were in wrappers when I bought them, but not the D.

JAMES MAITLAND. I am buyer for Baker and Sons, of Tottenham Court Road—I was in the habit of purchasing A, B, and C accumulators of the defendant—we never bought them of any one else—these are the invoices (produced)—the A, B, and C springs were always in wrappers.

HENRY BELL. I am a printer, of St. John Street Road—I printed these three wrappers for the defendant—I printed a large number of them

—the largest amount at any one time was 10, 000—we have entries of bills printed in 3000 or 4000, but I can't say whether these are them; 1000 is the smallest number—as far as my memory goes, that was in February 1866—I should think this bill would be printed about that period—there was no manuscript copy—I rather think they were printed from a printed copy—I think the copy we had was very much cut about—I had no knowledge of Mr. Hodges at that time—it appears to be a fac simile.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you got the drawing there? Q. Yes; the words "Patent Accumulator" are on the drawing on Mr. Hodges'bill-but on the defendant's wrapper there is nothing of the kind—there is the express omission of those words—besides that, the lower drawing on Mr. Hodges' label contains his name on the ABC spring brackets, and on the defendant's that is omitted.

COURT. Q. Do you know by whose direction that alteration was made? A. I don't remember.

RICHARD EDWARD HODGES. I am an India-rubber manufacturer, of 89, Southampton Row—in 1849 I patented an article called an accumulator, which was exhibited in the Exhibitions of 1851 and 1862, and also at the Paris Exhibition of 1855—one application of it was applied to door-springs, which I called "R. E. Hodges' patent accumulator ABC door-springs"—that was on all the wrappers I had printed and put round the accumulators when I sent them out—I know the defendant—he purchased door-springs of me for eleven years, ending in 1866; then I refuted, for some reason or other, to supply him—he then said that he should be left to his own resources, or thrown on his own resources—these door springs are not my manufacture—they are in pattern the same, but the workmanship is inferior, and they are not marked as mine are on the rubber with my name—this is one of mine (produced)—I did not authorise the printing of this wrapper by Bell—I never authorised the prisoner or any one else to make a wrapper for me, or to sell goods made by other persons as mine—the printing of the two wrappers corresponds exactly, except that my address is at the bottom of one, and Bell, the printer's name, is at the bottom of the other—they wore in Class 28 at the Great Exhibition of 1851, and in class 10 at the Paris Exhibition of 1855—when I sold them to the defendant I sold them in the same wrappers—he was perfectly familiar with my wrappers.

Cross-examined. Q. I see all your accumulators have on them "R. E. Hodges, Patent, London? "A. Yes, on the article itself, and the size A—the defendant marks his A, B, and C—my name is cast on the brackets—I have always manufactured them in the same way—there was a little change only after my patent expired—I no longer put patent, but patentee—I still called them R. E. Hodges' patent accumulator—I took my patent out in 1849, and it expired in 1863; it was not renewed—the specification is not confined to door-springs—I consider my trade mark to be the words "R. E. Hodges, patent accumulator ABC door-springs"—anybody has a right to make them now the patent has expired—they are known as A B C door-springs, and those made by me contain my name—as regards the article I claim the words "A B C door-springs" as part of my trade mark—I don't recollect any other article in a different trade in which the letters of the alphabet denote the size instead of figures—I tried to get something special, and marked them at first A and B, and afterwards C—I never marked any D—the defendant's name is not on his.

MR. POLAND submitted that there was no case to go to the Jury, there king no imitation whatever of any trade mark or any trickery to imply that the articles were manufactured by Mr. Hodges; they were simply articles which the defendant had as much right to make as Mr. Hodges had, the patent having expired; and, further, that if he had called them by any other same than Hodges's accumulator he would have been robbing Mr. Hodges of the honour of the invention; and that there was no emblem or sign to make the words "A B C door-springs" a trade mark. The COURT left it to the Jury whether there was any intention to defraud by making people oppose that the springs were manufactured by Mr. Hodges, and would reserve the question of law if it became necessary.

The prisoner received a good character.


THIRD COURT.—Thursday, October, 31st, 1867.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-992
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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28th October 1867
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993. JAMES DYER (28), WILLIAM DYER (30), GEORGE SHAW (46), JOHN NORRINGTON (29) , Feloniously breaking and entering the dwellinghouse of William Henry Quint, and stealing therein a quantity of chintz and ribbon, his property.

MESSRS. POLAND and BESLEY conducted the Prosecution;MR. GRIFFITHS appeared for James and William Dyer, MESSRS. M. WILLIAMS and HARRIS for Shaw, and MR. McDONALD for Norrington.

ELLEN CALLEEN. I am forewoman to Mr. Quint, ladies' collar manufacturer, 1 and 2, Falcon Street, Falcon Square—on Saturday, 14th September, I was the last person on the premises—no one lives in the house—I left about twenty minutes to four in the afternoon—there are a good many inner doors in the warehouse, and I looked them all—I looked and secured the front door, and took the key home with me—I returned to the warehouse at about twenty minutes to nine on the following Monday, and found the street door on the latch, just as if I had closed but not locked it—I could not open it without using the key—on entering the premises I found some of the inner doors broken open and the woodwork broken away—some empty rooms had not been disturbed—I called one of Mr. Fowler's men, the scale-maker at the corner of Falcon Street, he is the landlord—we found seven doors broken—there was a lot of chintz and other prints as well as ribbon, a coat, two skirts of dresses, 2l. in gold, which was in my desk in paper, and other articles missing—here is a piece of linen which I had marked and turned down on the Saturday|—it was gone on the Monday—it was rolled up in a piece of paper—also know the prints by the patterns.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. Q. Do you mean to say that you know this piece of print because it is turned down like this? A. Yes; I think I might positively swear it is the same piece.

JOHN MOSS (City Detective Sergeant). On the morning of 21st September I was with constables Obey, Witney, and Green—we left the city soon after seven, and got to Tottenham Court Road a little after eight—we there saw Shaw, James Dyer, and Norrington, about half-past nine, with another man not in custody—I first saw them at the corner of Stephen Street and:

Tottenham Court Road—I was in plain clothes—they remained together about half an hour, and then I saw James Dyer and Shaw go up Tottenham Court Road, and the others went in a different direction—I lost sight of them then—I next saw Norrington coming from the direction of Percy Street—(I was with the other officers, and had continued with them nearly all the time)—I saw him at the top of Percy Street, coming from the direction of Stephen Street—he was carrying this parcel (produced), marked No. I—I stopped him and asked him what he had there—he said, "Linen, why? "—Green and Obey then came up, and I said I should charge him with being concerned in entering Nos. 1 and 2, Falcon Street, City, and stealing a large quantity of chintz and other articles, about the 16th—he said, "It is a bad job"—I put him in a cab, conveyed him to Moor Lane station, and charged him—I found on him a pocket-book and some memoranda, a sketch, and an assay paper with Shaw's name on it, and these two pieces of wood—they are used by burglars in fitting locks, to judge the keyholes; by putting them in the hole they get the depth of the key, they then make a sketch and fit the key afterwards—he refused his address—at the station I opened the parcel and found these two pieces of chintz and eleven pieces of ribbon (produced)—I afterwards received from Obey some skeleton keys, and on 26th September I went to the warehouse in Falcon Street, and found one of the keys opened the front door easily—this is the key (produced).

Cross-examined by MR. McDONALD. Q. Did you try these pieces of wood to Mr. Quint's door? A. No; that is the only purpose I know them used for—they might be used for netting—I have not compared the key that fitted Mr. Quint's door with the sketch here—there was no one with Norrington the second time I saw him—I did not see him speak to any one from the time he left Stephen Street—Norrington and the man not in custody went up Stephen Street—he had not got the parcel then.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. Q. What time was this? A. About half-past nine—Stephen Street is about twenty yards from James Dyer's lodging—the other officers did not see everything I saw—they were in a different direction altogether—James Dyer was with Norrington when I first saw him—they were at the corner of Stephen Street—Bedford Street is on the other side of the way—I did not see them in Bedford Street—I was not with Witney—it is not correct that I was with Obey and Green, and saw Shaw in Bedford Street cross over into Stephen Street—I did not see them at the corner of Bedford Street—Witney was 200 yards from me, perhaps more than that—he was not in my company—Obey was with me—when James Dyer went away I believe he turned up Tottenham Court Road—he lives in Stephen Street—I think this is true, "They were joined by James Dyer, and afterwards by Norrington, and then James Dyer left them, and the others went away"—I lost sight of them when they went away, and saw them again when they were brought to the police-station.

Cross-examined by MR. HARRIS. Q. Were there a number of persons there? A. Yes; I mentioned the sketch before the Magistrate—I do not know how it is it does not appear in the deposition—the name on the sketch is "Shaw"—it does not look like "Strand, "I should take it for Shaw Norrington was alone when I took him.

GEORGE WITNEY (City Detective). On 21st September I was in the neighborhood of Tottenham Court Road with Moss, Obey, and Green—we were not all together—I saw Shaw first at the corner of Bedford

Street about nine o'clock, with the man not in custody—he was there about twenty minutes—he then crossed the road to Stephen Street and was joined by James Dyer—afterwards Norrington joined them, and they talked together for a few minutes, and James Dyer left them, and went up Stephen Street—Shaw, Norrington, and the other man went up Tottenham Court Road to the Euston Road—I saw no more of them till a little after ten—I then saw Norrington at the corner of Percy Street, and saw Moss take him in custody—he was carrying a parcel under his arm—I afterwards went with Obey and Green to No. 4, Stephen Street, where James and William Dyer live—we went to the back room at the top of the house, and saw James Dyer there—he was told by one of us that we were officers, and we then proceeded to search the house—while there William came in, and I asked who he was—he said, "That is my brother, I live here with him, "referring so James—James said, "They are policemen, and are searching the place"—I found this parcel, containing, two pieces of chintz on the top of the drawers—I asked what it contained, and William Dyer said, "Print, it is mine"—he said he bought it of a man in Tottenham Court Road the day previous—I asked him of whom, and I believe he aid Jacobs; I am not certain as to the name—he said he did not know where he lived—I asked what he gave for it—he said 7d. a yard—he then laid he did not know how much there was, and he gave 30s. for the whole, or from that to 2l.—I said I should take him into custody, as that was the piece of print we were looking for—I also found this piece of linen in the drawer—one of the other officers took James, and we took them to the station—on 26th September I went with Obey and Green to 7, Stephen Street, about three o'clock in the afternoon, in consequence of information—I went into a room on the second floor occupied by Mrs. Barry, sister of the Dyers, and found nothing there—I afterwards went down to the cellar, and some property was then handed to me by Green—there was a bag containing two remnants of chiutz, which is marked No. 4—Green went into the cellar—I did not go in myself.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. Q. How far was Moss from you when you first saw the prisoners in Tottenham Court Road? A. I can't say—I did not see him or know where he was—it is not true that I saw the prisoners at the corner of Bedford Street—it is untrue that I said I was with Moss, Obey, and Green, and saw the prisoners at the corner of Bedford Street—James Dyer left them by himself, and went in the direction of his own house—I was with the officer Green the whole of the time, and I saw Moss after; he came to me—he knew where I was, but I did not know where he was—they did not try to stop us searching the house—there were three of us—they did not say the man's name was Salisbury who they bought the chintz from—I will swear it was not that name—he said he gave 30s. for it, and had change out of 2l.—I pressed him about "that.

SAMUEL OBEY (City Detective). On Saturday, 21st September, I went with Moss, Green, and Witney to Tottenham Court Road, and saw Norrington, James Dyer, and Shaw at the corner of Stephen Street—I saw Norrington taken, and afterwards went with Witney to 4, Stephen Street, and found James Dyer there, William came in after—I helped to search the house, and found this crowbar (produced)—I also found some files, such as are used for filing keys—they have been used very lately—I found these scales and weights, and some aquafortis—I assisted in taking them to the station—on 26th September I went there again, and found a ladder

on the top floor, which led to a kind of loft between the ceiling and the roof—I there found eleven skeleton keys and two other keys (produced) under a quantity of glass used by shoemakers—they were in a basket—one of these keys I gave to Moss, and it fitted Mr. Quint's warehouse—I asked James Dyer if the things in the basket belonged to him—he said they did—he said he knew nothing about the keys—I also went to No. 7, Barry Street, Clerkenwell, where Shaw lives, about twelve or one o'clock in the day—I saw Mrs. Shaw, and told her that I was going to search the place—Shaw then came in—I said, "Is your name Shaw? "—he said, "Yes"—I had noticed two aprons, one on the door and the other was on Shaw's daughter—I had possession of them when Shaw came in—I also found sixteen pieces of ribbon and thirty-six duplicates—I asked Shaw how he accounted for the things—he seemed very confused, and said nothing—we took him to the station—we did not take Mrs. Shaw or her daughter.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. Q. You found this basket in the loft, you say? A. Yes—it is a lodging-house let off in tenements—I don't know how many people live there—I think the landlord's name is Hooper, not Blake—James Dyer told me the basket was his, and the things in it—I said the keys were in it—this is not the first time I have said that—I did not say before the Magistrate, "I did not tell him there were keys in it"—there were no fireirons in their room—I found this small poker (produced)—that is not a crowbar—there were no other fireirons there at all.

Cross-examined by MR. HARRIS. Q. I understand you to say that in a house where Shaw came while you were there, these aprons were found and these pieces of ribbon? A. Yes, I also found thirty-six duplicates and a padlock.

MR. POLAND. Q. I believe your brother officer found a great number of things as well? A. Yes—I had seen Shaw at that house before.

MR. GRIFFITHS. Q. Do you know what trade James Dyer was? A. No—I found some little bits of plaister of Paris—nothing which would lead me to believe he was a bricklayer—they said I was welcome to search the place.

WILLIAM GREEN (City Detective). On 21st September I was with the other officers in the neighbourhood of Tottenham Court Road, and saw the prisoners there—I afterwards saw Norrington taken into custody—I went to the Dyers' room, and assisted in making the search there—on a shelf I found this skeleton key, wrapped up in a piece of eily rag—I asked then how they accounted for the possession of the key—they said they never saw it before—I afterwards on the same day went to 7, Berry Street, with Obey—I found there this skeleton key (produced) between some plates and dishes on a shelf, and also another one hanging up—Shaw came in while we were there, and I showed him the keys—he said, "That one I made myself at the shop"—he afterwards said he bought a basket of them at a sale—I called his attention to the other one, and he said it belonged to the room door—I saw two aprons there, one worn by his daughter—on 26th September I went to 7, Stephen Street, and went into the cellar—the door was fixed in—it wanted to be pushed violently to open it—I found among some rubbish this bag marked 4, containing remnants of chintz—I did not find anything else relating to this charge.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. Q. Did you try this key to see if it fitted Dyer's room? A. No—I found several other keys; office door keys and box keys—four families lodged in Dyer's house, I should think—there was a trap-door in the roof; I do not know whether it was fastened—I did not try it—I did not go into the loft at all.

COURT to SAMUEL OBEY. Q. Does the trap-door communicate with the roof? A. Yes—the loft is separated from the other houses by a brick wall—a person on the roof might get into the loft—there is no door in the partition between the houses that I am aware of—I shoved the door leading on to the roof, but it would not open—it was very fast.

ELIZABETH BARRY. I am the wife of James Barry, a carter and gilder, and we occupy apartments at 7, Stephen Street—Mr. Blake is the landlord—the Dyers are my brothers—I have seen my two brothers at my house about once a week—they live at 4, Stephen Street.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. Q. Is not your brother James a shoemaker? A. Yes—the landlord of the house is a bricklayer—I don't know how many people lodge in the house—all the rooms are separate, and are let oat in lodgings.

ALFRED BLAKE. I am the landlord of 7, Stephen Street, and occupy two rooms on the ground floor—Mrs. Barry lives on the second floor—I have not been in the cellar of my house since Christmas last—I did not know anything of the things found there—I know the two Dyers—I have seen them come to my house now and then—I was taken into custody and discharged by the Magistrate—I never gave any one permission to use my cellar to put things in.

ISABELLA HETHERINGTON. My husband's name is Thomas—I live with him on the fourth floor of 4, Stephen Street, the room adjoining the Dyers—they have occupied the room for some time—I have seen Norrington there once—I can't say when that was—there is a ladder which leads up to a loft at the top of the house—it is always there—one of the Dyers was a waiter, and the other a shoemaker'—I do not know what time they came in or went out—I do not know the hours they kept.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. Q. Were you examined before the Magistrate? A. No—the ladder is always there—I have never been up it.

JOHN DAVIS (City Policeman 921). On Saturday, 14th September, I saw the prisoner Shaw at the corner of Falcon Street about two or three o'clock in the afternoon—I saw James Dyer at the same time on the other side of the road in Aldersgate Street—he appeared to be watching Shaw's movements—I was there about a quarter of au hour—they were there nearly all the time—I saw Shaw go up Monk well Street—on the 15th I saw Shaw and James Dyer near Jocelyn's Hotel, in Falcon Street—they went into Falcon Square, and I saw them go into a public-house at the corner of Monkwell Street and Silver Street, and then I went away—I heard of the robbery the following day—I knew them both by sight before—I was in plain clothes.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. Q. You say that you saw James Dyer on the 14th; are you quite sure of that? A. I only had one glance of his face as he turned the corner, his back was turned to me—I think it was him—I am sure it was him—on Sunday, the 15th, I saw both of them in the public-house—I did not go in, but I saw them through the glass door—it was about twenty minutes to eight—I don't think it was raining—it was not very dark, there was the light of three or four lamps—I was three or four yards away from them, and I was close to them when they went into the public-house, and I think they noticed me then.

JOHN CHOWN (Police Sergeant 5 E). I know all the prisoners—I have known Shaw for twelve or thirteen years—I have known William Dyer for about three years—I had seen them several times all together just previous to 14th September.

on the top floor, which led to a kind of loft between the ceiling and the roof—I there found eleven skeleton keys and two other keys (produced) under a quantity of glass used by shoemakers—they were in a basket—one of these keys I gave to Moss, and it fitted Mr. Quint's warehouse—I asked James Dyer if the things in the basket belonged to him—he said they did—he said he knew nothing about the keys—I also went to No. 7, Berry Street, Clerkenwell, where Shaw lives, about twelve or one o'clock in the day—I saw Mrs. Shaw, and told her that I was going to search the place—Shaw then came in—I said, "Is your name Shaw? "—he said, "Yes"—I had noticed two aprons, one on the door and the other was on Shaw's daughter—I had possession of them when Shaw came in—I also found sixteen pieces of ribbon and thirty-six duplicates—I asked Shaw how he accounted for the things—he seemed very confused, and said nothing—we took him to the station—we did not take Mrs. Shaw or her daughter.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. Q. You found this basket in the loft, you say? A. Yes—it is a lodging-house let off in tenements—I don't know how many people live there—I think the landlord's name is Hooper, not Blake—James Dyer told me the basket was his, and the things in it—I said the keys were in it—this is not the first time I have said that—I did not say before the Magistrate, "I did not tell him there were keys in it"—there were no fireirons in their room—I found this small poker (produced)—that is not a crowbar—there were no other fireirons there at all.

Cross-examined by MR. HARRIS. Q. I understand you to say that in a house where Shaw came while you were there, these aprons were found and these pieces of ribbon? A. Yes, I also found thirty-six duplicates and padlock.

MR. POLAND. Q. I believe your brother officer found a great number of things as well? A. Yes—I had seen Shaw at that house before.

MR. GRIFFITHS. Q. Do you know what trade James Dyer was? A. No—I found some little bits of plaister of Paris—nothing which would lead me to believe he was a bricklayer—they said I was welcome to search the place.

WILLIAM GREEN (City Detective). On 21st September I was with the other officers in the neighbourhood of Tottenham Court Road, and saw the prisoners there—I afterwards saw Norrington taken into custody—I went to the Dyers' room, and assisted in making the search there—on a shelf I found this skeleton key, wrapped up in a piece of eily rag—I asked them how they accounted for the possession of the key—they said they never saw it before—I afterwards on the same day went to 7, Berry Street, with Obey—I found there this skeleton key (produced) between some plates and dishes on a shelf, and also another one hanging up—Shaw came in while we were there, and I showed him the keys—he said, "That one I made myself at the shop"—he afterwards said he bought a basket of them at a sale—I called his attention to the other one, and he said it belonged to the room door—I saw two aprons there, one worn by his daughter—on 26th September I went to 7, Stephen Street, and went into the cellar—the door was fixed in—it wanted to be pushed violently to open it—I found among some rubbish this bag marked 4, containing remnants of chintz—I did not find anything else relating to this charge.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. Q. Did you try this key to see if it fitted Dyer's room? A. No—I found several other keys; office door keys and box keys—four families lodged in Dyer's house, I should think—there was a trap-door in the roof; I do not know whether it was fastened—I did not try it—I did not go into the loft at all.

13th September, one piece out of parcel 1 and one piece out of 2—we have some patterns like the patterns of these aprons in stock—Mr. Quint bought some of that pattern.

WILLIAM LEQUIR. I am a collar cutter in the service of Mr. Quint—I was on the premises in Falcon Street on the Saturday, and left this piece of chintz, which I had marked for cutting out, in the warehouse; it was gone on the Monday—it is like the same I left there, but I can't swear to it—the pieces I have picked out are of the same description as the goods I left.

Cross-examined by MR. GRIFFITHS. Q. It is not the same quantity that you left? A. No—it is the same quality, as near as I can see of it.

GUILTY.** They were all further charged with hating been before convicted, to which they PLEADED GUILTY. Ten Years' Penal Servitude each.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-994
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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994. MARY ANN PENNINGTON (19) , Feloniously wounding Hannah Harrington, with intent to do her grievous bodily harm.

MR. GRIFFITHS conducted the Prosecution, and MR. PATER the Defence,

HANNAH HARRINGTON. I am single, and live at 15, Mercer Street, Long Acre—I was in Compton Street, Soho, on 6th October, with a friend—I saw the prisoner and a man there with other persons—she struck a young woman who was with her brother and knocked her down, and the man kicked her—I called out, "Shame! "and the prisoner said she would serve me the same, and struck me in the face and tore my bonnet—I called out, "Police! "and a policeman came up and sent her away—I then walked across the road—I went to put my bonnet on to go home—the prisoner then came across the road with the man—ho had a knife in his hand, and said, "Stick this into her"—the prisoner then struck me in the side with the knife, and ran away—the knife was not open when the man gave it her, she opened it herself—I bled very much, and was taken to the Middlesex Hospital.

Cross-examined. Q. This was on a Sunday night, was it not? A. Yes, about eleven o'clock—I had not had any quarrel with the prisoner previously—there were a great number of persons about—when she crossed over the road, the man crossed with her—there were three young women with me at first living in the same house—there was only one with me when I crossed over the road Mary Ann Dawson—there was no disturbance that I am aware of—I was charged with assaulting a person a good while ago, some one picked me out by mistake, and I got six weeks—I am sure it was the prisoner struck me with the knife.

MARY ANN DAWSON. I was with the last witness on the 6th October—we were speaking to some young women in Compton Street, when the prisoner came up and struck one of the young women, and knocked her down—she was with a man, her brother I believe, and he kicked her when she was down—the prosecutrix said, "What a shame! "and the prisoner said, "I will serve you the same"—a policeman then came and sent her away—the prosecutrix and myself then crossed the road, she was putting the strings on her bonnet, the prisoner came over and struck her again—the man gave her a knife and said, "Stick this into her"—she opened the knife and stuck it into her side—the prosecutrix called out that she was stabbed—the prisoner was quite close to her.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you give evidence before the Magistrate the same day that Hannah Harrington did? A. Yes—I was present when she gave

her evidence—my depositions were read over to me previous to my signing them—I have said that the man gave her the knife before—I said, I saw a knife, before the Magistrate—Hannah Harrington has spoken to me about this—she is a great friend of mine—I don't know the names of the girls that were with us, I have seen them since—when the prosecutrix cried out that she was stabbed the man was close to her—there were a great many people there—I did not know any of them—I saw the man give the knife to the prisoner, and saw her stick it into her—the prisoner opened the knife after it was given her.

COURT. Q. Were the girls who were mixed up in the first part of the squabble present over the road? A. I did not see them—there were a good many persons there—they were people passing up Compton Street.

OSMOND VINCENT. I was house-surgeon at the Middlesex Hospital—the prosecutrix was brought there about half-past eleven on 6th October—I examined her and found a small wound between the eight and ninth ribs—it was not serious—a small knife would inflict it.

Cross-examined. Q. Would any other instrument with a point? A. Yes, not a needle.

JOHN MOLDER (Policeman C 59). I took the prisoner into custody, and took the prosecutrix to the Middlesex Hospital.

Cross-examined. Q. Why did you take her? A. For stabbing Hannah Harrington—I said, "You will have to come with me, you have stabbed a person here"—she ran away—I caught her and took her in custody—I was at the police-court when Mary Ann Dawson gave her evidence—I did not hear her say anything about a knife—the Magistrate said, "Did you see any knife? "and she said, "There was no knife."

COURT to MARY ANN DAWSON. Q. Do you remember the Magistrate saying, "Did you see any knife? "A. No—he did not ask me that question—I think I said I saw a knife, before the Magistrate.

GUILTY of unlawfully wounding.— Four Months' Imprisonment.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-995
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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995. EMMA FURLONG (17) , Stealing one chain of George Chapman, from his person.

GEORGE CHAPMAN. On 8th August, about eleven at night, I was at the Angel at Stratford, the prisoner and another young woman came up and asked me to treat them; we went inside, and I treated them to half a pint of gin and raspberry—I left the Angel with them at twelve o'clock, and got as far as Kean's newspaper shop—I remember nothing more till George Kean took me home—he is no relation to the man who keeps the newspaper shop—I missed a gold Albert chain—I met the young women a week afterwards and accused them of it—I said, "You had better give me that guard"—they said, "I never saw you or the guard either"—I left them, and two or three weeks afterwards I met the other woman and took her into the Albion Tavern—I afterwards found that Mr. Brown, the landlord of the Oliver Twist, was wearing my chain—I am sure it was mine.

Prisoner. The young woman said that it was me, but it was her herself all the while.

WILLIAM BROWN. About eleven weeks ago the prisoner and another

young woman brought a gold Albert—the young woman asked me to buy it for 18d.; I refused, and she offered it to me for 1s.—I gave her 1s. for it, which she handed to the prisoner—I was not aware that it is gold, but I have found since that it is—it was claimed last Saturday week.

Prisoner. I was not there. Witness. You were present and received the shilling.

JOHN TURNER (Policeman 42 N). Chapman came to the station, and I went with him to the Oliver Twist, Low Leyton—he described the chain before going in—the landlord gave it to me.

JOHN READY (Policeman 348 K). Last Saturday week the prisoner was given into my custody for stealing the chain—she said, "All right; I will go with you quietly; I am innocent, although I was in his company, with another girl of the name of Sheen; I saw Sheen the next morning, she showed me the chain and asked me if I knew where she could dispose of it, but I would not have anything to do with it."

Prisoner's Defence. I was drinking with this man and another. They came out behind me arm in arm. Sheen said, "I know this young man; I will take him home; "and she did so. I saw no more of her till next morning, when she said, "Emma, I have got a chain."I said, "Where did you get it from? "She said, "Never mind, I had it last night."I said, "It is gold."She said, "I do not think it is, "I said, "I should not like to have it in my possession."I asked a friend to buy it, but he had no money. She took it to the landlord of the Oliver Twist, and sold it for 1s. and some beer.

COURT to WILLIAM BROWN. Q. Do you know Sheen? A. No; there was another girl with the prisoner, but the young woman handed the shilling to the prisoner—I did not see what she did with it.



Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-996
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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996. WILLIAM CAHOON (19) PLEADED GUILTY to stealing 50l. of Thomas Gilbatson, his master.— Twelve Months' Imprisonment

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-997
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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997. ELIZABETH SWENEY (34) , Feloniously marrying William Harding, her husband Tarrant Sweney being alive.

MR. DALY conducted the Prosecution.

CHARLES CARTWRIGHT (Policeman 101 R) I took the prisoner on. 19th October—I told her I was a police constable, and should take her to the station on a charge of bigamy—she said she did not know her husband was alive—I produce a copy of the certificate of the first marriage—she was married on 6th August, 1854—I also produce a certificate of 19th November, 1866—they are both true copies.

THOMAS CROUGH. I live at Upper Stoke, Kent—I know the prisoner, and was present at her marriage in 1854—I am sure she was the Woman—Sweney is alive, and is in Court,

WILLIAM HARDING. I am a gunner in the Royal Artillery—I married the prisoner in November last at Woolwich Old Church—she described herself to me as a widow—I had known her about eight weeks at the time I married her.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate:—"I constantly went to the War Office, but never heard anything of him, and I concluded he was dead."

COURT to CHARLES CARTWRIGHT. Q. Did the prisoner say she had in. quired at the War Office? A. Yes; she said she had been there constautly, and had heard nothing of him—I found that out as well at the War Office—they stopped the pension in 1864, and since that he has received it himself—the date of the last payment was March, 1865, and that was paid to the prisoner.


28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-998
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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998. DENNIS KELLY (27) , Feloniously wounding John Cooper, with intent to do him some grievous bodily harm.

MR. MACAFEE conducted the Prosecution, and MR. JUNNER the Defence.

JOHN COOPER. I live in Rope Walk, Deptford—I left work at four o'clock on 14th September, and went to the Fishing Smack (I was in several houses beside)—I met the prisoner there—I got drunk, and do not remember anything till I found myself in the hospital—I was bandaged round the hips—I was in the hospital twenty-one days, and left last week.

Cross-examined. Q. Don't you know how it happened? A. No, not at all—I don't remember striking the prisoner—I do not remember striking the prisoner in the house of Mr. Richardson—I can't say when I lost my senses—I do not remember saying anything to the policeman when the prisoner was apprehended—I often get drunk on Saturday night—I have been convicted of assaults five times—one was last Thursday—I was fined 4s. and costs—I have been charged twice since the prisoner has been in custody—one has not come off yet—I commenced when I came out of the hospital.

JOSEPH COACH. I keep the Fishing Smack at Deptford—on Saturday, 14th September, the prosecutor was in my house—he came about half-past eight—he stayed about three-quarters of an hour and then went away—he came again about ten minutes to twelve—he met the prisoner there—I do not think the prisoner was drunk—he had had a pound of steak for his supper—Cooper came in about ten minutes before twelve—he said something to the prisoner that I supposed he did not like—the prosecutor struck him in the face several times, and the prisoner did not return the blows, he only tried to ward them off—at twelve I cleared the house and saw no more of them.

Cross-examined. Q. Was the prisoner jovial? A. Yes—Cooper was intoxicated—drink produces different effects on different people—the prosecutor was not jolly, he was angry—they were both drunk.

SOPHIA RICHARDSON. I keep a shop at 21, Old King Street, Deptford—on Saturday night, about twelve o'clock, I was standing at my own door—the prisoner came in, bleeding from the nose—I said, "Have you have been fighting? stop there, and I well fetch you some water to wash yourself—he followed me into the back parlour, and when I went to get the water, he went into the shop again—I brought the water to the counter, and the prisoner was going to the door—the prosecutor then came in and struck him from the steps—they had a great scuffle round the shop—they got down in a corner on the floor—my husband was trying to separate them—he had come in while they were fighting—he held up his hand and said, "They have got a knife, for I am cut"—his hand was bleeding—I afterwards

saw the knife—it was rather a long knife, one I use in my trade—I did not see it till it was picked up from the floor—it had been lying on the counter—I had used it just before to cut some bacon with—I did not see either of them with the knife—it was broken in four pieces when it was picked up.

Cross-examined. Q. You knew the prisoner before this occurrence? A. Yes—I have not known anything against him before—the shop was lighted with gas—the gas on the counter nearly went out.

ISRAEL RICHARDSON. I am the husband of the last witness—I was in a back room when this fight began—I came oat in the shop and endeavoured to get them into the street—I got them from one side of the shop to the other, and then there was a fall—the prisoner was underneath—I tried to get them up, and felt a cut on my left hand—I said, "They have got a knife"—and then the prosecutor said, "I am stabbed "—I kept getting them towards the door, when they fell down—the counter was shoved on one side, and the gas nearly went out—a neighbour picked up the knife afterwards.

Cross-examined. A. Was the prosecutor trying to get away from the prisoner? A. I could not tell—I did not know they had a knife.

FREDERICK FISHER. I am a surgeon at Deptford—I first dressed a wound on the prisoner's arm at the station-house—it was a clean incised wound; he was also bleeding from the nose—there was a cut on the left leg of his trousers, but it had not touched his leg—the prosecutor was in a perfectly faint condition—he had four punctured wounds on his head—his right cheek was cut, and also his hip.—there were five other wounds on the back of his head—there were eleven wounds altogether—I considered three to be of a dangerous character—I sent him to the hospital—be is perfectly well now.

Cross-examined. Q. Might the wound on the prisoner's arm be done by a person trying to take a knife from another person? A. Yes—I have had many cases of this kind before—all these wounds might have been caused by a person trying to wrest a knife from another person's hand, with the exception of the wound on the hip—I cannot say whether that was caused by a knife; my impression is that it was a blow from the roof—it was not contused at the time I saw it—the edges of the wound were jagged—ray assistant dressed the wound on Mr. Richardson's hand—I have seen the knife—it must have been broken by coming in contact with the floor—the prosecutor would not be taken to the station; he was very violent in the street—I sent for a stretcher and carried him—he was Almost naked.

DENNIS MCELLIOTT (Policeman 160 R). On 14th September I went to Richardson's house and saw the prosecutor at the door; he said he was stabbed—the prisoner was in the back room—he could hear what was going on—the prosecutor said if I went in, the prisoner would stab me—the shop is about seven feet by twelve—the door between the two rooms was open—there was no person but the prisoner in the back room—this is the knife (produced)—I got it from another constable.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you take the prosecutor to the station? A. No; I took the prisoner, another constable took the prosecutor.

THOMAS BELCHER (Policeman 234 R). I took the prosecutor to the station—he was very violent indeed—I told him to go to the doctor's quiet—he said he would sooner fight the man than go to the doctor's.

BRIAN DENNY (examined by MR. JUNNER). Q. Do you remember being

in front of Mr. Richardson's shop? A. Yes; I saw the prisoner down and the prosecutor on the top of him on the floor—I was not in the Fishing Smack—I saw the prosecutor beat the prisoner, and I tried to defend him.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate:—"He beat me and knocked me about, and after they got him out of the shop he wanted to fight me."

NOT GUILTY. The Court awarded 2l. to the Witness Richardson.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-999
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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999. SUSAN MORTON (60) , Stealing 50l., of Martha Lester, her mistress, in her dwellinghouse. MR. DALY conducted the Prosecution

MARTHA LESTER. I am a widow, of 63, New Street, Deptford—the prisoner was my servant some years ago; she became rather reduced in circumstances and I took her in again, and told her that if she liked to stop with me without wages she might—I changed a 100l. note in May, and part of the change was a 50l. note, which I had in a box, and the prisoner knew it, as she was present some time before when I was looking it the notes in the box—I left her alone in charge of my house on 2nd August, and went to my daughter's in the country—the 50l. note was in a box in my bedroom—there was a memorandum book in the same box—I came back on 27th August, and the prisoner was not there—I examined the box, and the 50l. note was not there—the memorandum book was there, but a leaf with a memorandum of the number of the note was torn out of it—this (produced) is the note—I know it by this stain—I do not know the number except from what I have been told—I next saw it at the Bank of England last Thursday—when the prisoner was taken she said that she had never seen the note—I think she can read a little—I have seen her write, and have heard her read writing.

Prisoner. It is three years and six months, and I have never received a farthing from you. Witness, I gave you wages when you were with me before; I took you in out of charity.

ALFRED JOHN HUDSON. I am foreman to Mr. Davis, a pawnbroker—on 8th August the prisoner came to my master's shop with a 50l. note—she said, "I have got a 50l. note, and I do not want it changed; I want a little money for the present"—I advanced her 10s. on it, which she said would be enough—she came again the next day but one, and I gave her 10s. more, and on 12th or 13th 1l. more—after she had the second 10s. I asked her who the note belonged to—she said to her, and that she had had it by her twelve months, and was going to break into it and furnish a house, and get a living by furnished lodgings—I asked Mr. Davis whether he knew her—he said yes, for eight or ten years, and had never known anything wrong of her—that was in her presence—I advanced 45l. on the note up to 14th September, and charged 2s. on each advance—I know the note by the number, 62259—I have never advanced money on notes before; I do not know whether it is right, but we advance, money on money—they pawn money, and we charge interest on it.

RICHARD ADYE BAILET. I am a clerk in the note office, Bank of England—I produce a 50l. Bank of England note, 62259, dated 12th February, 1867, which was paid into the Bank on 27th August by the London and Westminster Bank, and cancelled—it was issued subsequently to its date.

PETER MARGETSON (Policeman R 106). I took the prisoner on 20& September, at Dock Street, Deptford—I told her I should take her for stealing a 50l. note belonging to Mrs. Lester—she said, "Mrs. Lester gave

me no 50l. note"—I said, "I do not suppose she did, but where did you get the note you pledged with Mr. Davis? "—she said, "I picked it up in the street"—on the way to the station she said that the note she pledged belonged to Miss McKenzie.

Prisoner's Defence. My mistress promised to pay me wages and did not, and therefore I made free with the money.

GUILTY. Six Months' Imprisonment.

Before Mr. Recorder.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-1000
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1000. FREDERICK CHURCHER (17) , Feloniously forging and uttering a request for the delivery of goods, with intent to defraud.

MR. JUNNER conducted the Prosecution, and MR. WILD the Defence,

WILLIAM BALL. I live at 8, Castle Hill, King Street, Ramsgate—I was living at the Gothic Hall coffee-house, Deptford, and left two bags there, containing two shirts, two white frocks, some handkerchiefs and stockings, a flannel waistcoat, a Guernsey frock, and other articles, value 3l.—on 10th May I applied for it, but did not obtain it—I had not authorised any person to give it up—the prisoner was at one time in my employment, but I discharged him—he knew where I resided, at Gothic Hall, sod that I had the bag—this order is not my writing, nor did I authorise any one to write it for me—I did not see the prisoner from 9th May till 21st September—he left my service on 9th May.

Cross-examined. Q. What are you? A. A fish salesman—I was the owner of a performing seal—I slept at Gothic Hall coffee-house on 8th May, and went away next morning—I gave the things to the manager when I went to bed, and have never seen them since—I do not recollect meeting a man named Baldwin in the coffee-room—the prisoner may have been in my employment a fortnight or three weeks previous to 8th or 9th May—he came as a stranger—he had nothing to do with the talking fish—he, was a jobber, and did anything I asked him—I gave him no regular wages—I fed him and paid his lodging, and gave him money to spend—I do not know whether he can read and write—he was at the place where I was when I had the bag of clothes in my hand—my name is William Ball, and this order is in the name of Baldwin, I believe.

RICHARD MALLETT. I am manager of the Gothic Hall coffee-house, Deptford—on 8th May the prosecutor left a bag there to be taken care of—he had been residing in my house some considerable time—on 9th May he came and asked for a bag for Mr. Baldwin or Ball—I said, "No, I do not allow anything to go away like that; if you bring me an order to that effect I will give you the bag"—he brought this order (produced) and I gave him the bag—the prisoner came for it next day.

Cross-examined. Q. On what night did the prosecutor leave the two bags? A. On the 8th he left, or the 9th, and the prisoner came for them the same day—he said, "I have come for Mr. Ball's or Baldwin's bag"—I do not know whether a man named Baldwin was staying in the house—I do not know the names of my lodgers—the order has the signature of Baldwin.

MR. JUNNER. Q. Was the bag ever returned to you? A. No.

WILLIAM FRANCIS (Policeman 328 P). I took the prisoner on 19th September at Bromley in Kent on another charge—I said, "I shall also charge you with obtaining a quantity of wearing apparel on a forged order

at Deptford"—he said, "I am innocent of that; I won't be blamed for all"—he afterwards said, "I obtained the goods of my father, and I pawned them, and spent the money, and tore up the tickets."

The Prisoner called

MRS. CHURCHER. I am the prisoner's mother; he can neither read nor write.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate:—"My father gave me the piece of paper; I could not read it."

GUILTY of uttering. Recommended to mercy by the Jury.— One Month's Imprisonment ,

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-1001
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1001. RICHARD BISHOP (21) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwellinghouse of Mary Elliott, and stealing therein three pictures, her property.

MR. DALY conducted the Prosecution.

JANE PITT. I am housemaid to Mary Elliott, of Stonehouse Villa, Lewisham—I came down at seven o'clock one morning, and found the back door unfastened, which was fastened at 10.30 the night before—an iron bar was wrenched from the kitchen window, which was open; it had been shut the night before, but I do not know whether it was fastened—nine rooms had been entered and disturbed—I missed these three oil paintings (produced) from their frames, and a colour-box was broken open, and some paints taken out of it—these are them (produced)—the pictures belong to Miss Elliott's pupils; other things were disturbed, but not taken away.

FRANK LUCAS. I live at 3, Glen Terrace-—my father, Ralph Lucas, is a teacher of drawing—this fancy drawing is his property, it is valued at 10l.—it had been lent to Miss Elliott, and was in her charge.

MARIA MARTIN. I live with my father—on Wednesday night, 16th October, I was in Lewisham Road at nine o'clock, and saw the prisoner and another looking into a shop about 150 yards from Miss Elliott's house—I knew him before.

WILLIAM MENZIE. I am a picture-frame maker, of 35, Cable Street, St George's-in-the-East—on Friday morning, 17th October, about half-past nine, the prisoner brought three pictures—my father refused to buy them, and I bought them—I asked him if he was the painter—he said, "Yes, "and that he was a broken-down artist, and came from Gravesend—he asked me 4s. for them, and I gave him half a crown—I also produce some colours.

Prisoner. Q. Have you any doubt I am the man? A. Not the least—I picked you out from seven or eight people—I picked out another man first, who resembled you very much, and went past you without recognising you—I then went up the row, saw you, and picked you out—the inspector did not point me out to you; he only said, "Take your time and go along the row."

JOHN KAT (Policeman 178 R). The prisoner was brought to the policestation, Blackheath, by Inspector Kent, on 18th October—I asked him where he was on Wednesday night, the 16th—he said, "I was near the Greenwich Theatre at ten o'clock, and my mother let me in at half-part twelve, "and that he walked home from the theatre—I asked him if he had ever been in the Lewisham Road—he said, "No"—next evening I went to Mr. Menzie's shop, who gave me these oil paintings and paints.

Prisoner's Defence. I was obliged to pass that way every day to go to my home.



Before Mr. Recorder.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-1002
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-1003
VerdictsGuilty > unknown; Guilty > with recommendation; Not Guilty > unknown
SentencesImprisonment; Imprisonment

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1003. EDWARD JOHN PANTER (24) and RICHARD OWEN (45) were indicted for stealing thirty-seven pounds of salmon and thirty-seven tin cases of Alfred Jacobs and others, the masters of Panter; and RICHARD JOSEPH PEARCE (24) , Feloniously receiving the same.

MR. DALY conducted the Prosecution; MR. STARLING appeared for Panter,

MR. LILLEY for Owen, and MR. BESLEY for Pearce.

PORTER WILLIAM DUNAWAY (Police Sergeant H 11). On 28th August from information, I went to the Commercial Docks—I saw a waggon of Messrs. Tyndal and Jacobs, laden with cases of salmon—the prisoners Paster and Owen were with the van—I saw them come out of the dock after the van was loaded—they stopped at a public-house just outside for a few minutes—they then drove on to the China beer-shop, where they stopped again; they then drove on to a third beer-shop, where they stopped again—from there they went on to the Queen Charlotte public-house—there saw Panter take out one of the little tins, put it under his jacket, and go into the public-house—I saw Owen come out of the public-house, get on the van, and take another one, and go inside the public-house with it—he came out a second time and took a tin and went in again—I afterwards saw them both come out—I did not see that they had anything with them—they got on the van and drove on to the Young Prince beer-shop, in Blue Anchor Road—they stopped there some little time and then went on into Alfred Street, Bermondsey, where they stopped, and I saw Panter holding up a nosebag, and Owen put in several of the little tins—these (produced) are some of the tins—they are tins of preserved salmon—Panter got off the van, and Owen handed the nosebag to him, and he went into No. 18, Alfred Street—in a minute or two he came out again, chucked the empty nosebag on the van, got on the top, and then they drove away to another beer-shop in the Grange Road—I saw them go in there shortly afterwards—Owen came out, got on the van, and took another tin out of a box in the fore part of the van, and went into the beer-shop—I then got out of the cab in which I had been following them, and went into the beershop—Owen had got the tin in his hand—I said, "What are you going to do with this? "(he was about to pass it to another man, who was standing there)—he said, "Oh! it is no value much; I was going to give it to my mate"—I said, "Well, you had no right to take it; you had better come outside"—he said, "Oh! Mr. Dunaway, you don't mean to lock us up for that? "—I said, "That will be for Mr. Jacobs; you will have to go to the station"—Panter said to him, "Oh! why did you touch them? I would rather give anything than you should have touched them; you know you had no right to have touched them"—I told Mr. Jacobs's foreman, who was along with me, to go on with the van, and I said, "You two get into the cab along with me"—Owen dropped the tin that he had in his hand in the road, and I picked it up—I drove on till I met a man in uniform—I called him to my assistance—I then told them what they would be charged with, and what I had seen them do—Panter said, "Is it likely that

should do anything of the kind, when the gate-keeper pointed out this old man and said, 'He is along with the police, and they are after you, or on to you? '"—I then went on to the station in Bermondsey Street, left the two prisoners there, and went outside and examined the cases on the van found two cases had been broken open; one was more than half empty—I think only twenty tins were left in that case—I afterwards went with H 88 to 18, Alfred Street, where Pearce lived; I saw the landlady, and went up stairs, and there found twenty-three tins of salmon, some of which are here—some were afterwards given up to the prosecutor—they were standing on a table on the landing up against Pearce's room door—they were not concealed in any way—I left 88 H there and went to the beershop in Blue Anchor Road, where I received eight tins from the witness Drage—I afterwards saw Pearce at Bermondsey Street police-station—I said, "I have been to 18, Alfred Street, where you say you live, and I got these twenty-three tins of salmon; what have you to say about them? "—he said, "Yes, I bought them; I met the two men in Eastcheap to-day (they were present); they asked me if I would buy any, and I said yes, I would"—I said, "You, as a carman, ought to know very well that they bad got nothing of the kind to sell, and you will consider yourself in custody for receiving these, well knowing they were stolen"—he said he did not know they were stolen—in the front part of the van, where the cases had been broken open, I found this crowbar, which would be very handy for opening them.

Cross-examined by MR. STARLING. Q. What time did they leave the Commercial Dock? A. A little before five, or about five—they were taken into custody about half-past six—I got into the cab shortly after leaving the docks—I had it there waiting—it was a four-wheeler—I did not see them take anything into the Young Prince—I can't say how many tins Owen put into the nosebag—I have no doubt he put in the twenty-three that were found there, but I did not count—when I took them into custody I charged Panter with taking several tins—I believe he said, "You never saw us take any out''

Cross-examined by MR. LILLEY. Q. You have known Owen for some years, have you not? A. Yes, eighteen or twenty years—I always thought him a highly respectable man—Panter was driving the van—Owen was not in the prosecutor's employment—I believe he was out of work at the time—they both appeared perfectly sober.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. Q. You did not go into any of the public-houses, I believe? A. No; I did afterwards, to make inquiry—the prosecutors' names were on the van—Owen and Panter were both loading the van at five o'clock.

JURY. Q. Were the cases that were found outside Pearce's door empty or full? A. Full.

ALFRED JACOBS. I am one of the firm of Tyndal and Jacobs, of Billiter Street—Panter was a carman in our employ; Owen used to work for us, but was discharged some time before—I do not know Pearce—on 27th August I ordered Panter to the Commercial Docks next day to bring away some cases of preserved salmon; two loads—I had some mistrust, and got some one to watch him—these tins are the property of Mr. Woods, the merchant—we work for him, and we are responsible for the goods till they are carted to his warehouse—Panter had no authority to sell any.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLEY. Q. Supposing Panter wanted assistance, was he authorised in getting some help? A. No, he had no right to do so;

he might do so at the docks, bat not to drive his two horses—I don't think be required any assistance on this occasion.

JOHN MUNTING. I am foreman to Tyndal and Jacobs—I met Panter about ten o'clock on this morning in the Deptford Road with the van laden with tins—I followed him—Owen was with him—I had a man with me—I went into a stationer's shop and watched—Panter went into a beer-shop twice with a nosebag with some tins in it—Owen pot them in the bag—Panter took them in—he came out with the bag empty, and drove the van away—I then went into the beer-shop and called for a pint of ale, and I saw about a dozen tins of salmon behind the bar, where they generally pat the ginger beer—one tin was broken open and empty outside the bar—I took no notice, but went home and told our principal—Panter afterwards went with a second load—I have been speaking of the first load—I was with Sergeant Dunaway in the cab the whole time—I corroborate what he has laid—I afterwards examined the van—I found this crowbar on the top of the eases—there were twelve or fifteen tins left in one case, oat of fortyeight—two cases were broken right open, and two or three others seemed to have been tampered with—tins had been taken out of four cases, I think—I drove the van to the merchant.

Cross-examined by MR. STARLING. Q. You did not examine the van at ill the first time? A. No, nor communicate with the merchant—it was at the Young Prince beer-shop that I saw the tins taken in—I was then under the railway arch, watching, about the length of this Court from the van—I kept my eye right upon them, because I went for that purpose.

THOMAS DRAGE. I am manager of William Gallett, of 4, Perseverance Place—on 28th August I saw the prisoners come in a van to the Young Prince—I was standing outside—Panter got down off the van and said to me, "I think I have some goods here that are likely to suit you"—I said, "What are they? "—he said, "They are tins of potted salmon"—I said, "I don't think they will suit this neighbourhood, but I think I have seen your face before"—he said, "Yes, I used to drive for Smith and Nolley"—I said, "What are they? "—he said, "They are old ships stores, and I have bought one or two cases from the mate of the vessel"—I said, "I have no buying on my own account here; I will go in and ask what the missis says"—I went inside; I did not buy any—he said, "Well, I have no money in my pocket; for old acquaintance sake, will you stand a pot of beer? "—I said, "Yes"—we went into the Young Prince and called for a pot—they were talking there about the salmon, and I said to the publican, Mr. Skinner, "They have some fish here; you, being a Plymouth man, may be fond of them"—he said, "What are they? "—Panter said, "Old ships' stores, that I bought from the mate of a vessel; I want to sell them cheap"—he was asked the price, and he said 4s. a dozen by taking the case, or 6s. a dozen if they broke the case"—Skinner said, "It is like buying a pig in a poke"—I said, "Perhaps you have a sample; will you bring one in? "—Panter I believe went and got one; it was opened in front of the bar, and several persons round the bar tasted it and said they should like to buy one each—Owen, I think, said, "No, we will not sell one, but if any person here likes to buy any and sell them to you we will sell them to that person"—Owen then said to me, "You had better have half-a-dozen on your own account"—I said, "They are no use to me; I can't do anything with them"—he said, "Perhaps you can sell them to your friends round, the bar"—I then agreed to take half-a-dozen for 3s., to sell them round the bar at 1d. a piece profit, which should be spent among the company for a quart

of ale—there was not sufficient for those round the bar, so I bought another half-dozen for 2s.—I borrowed the money from Mr. Skinner, and gave 3s. 1d. to Owen, and 2s. to Panter—after they had drank the beer they got up in the van and drove away.

Cross-examined by MR. STARLING. Q. What time in the morning was this? A. From eleven to twelve—the prisoners seemed as if they had been drinking; they seemed excited.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLEY. Q. I believe you are not quite sure that what you have attributed to Owen was said by him, are you? A. No—I could not be quite certain which it was—when I paid Owen the 3s. Panter had left for a time; directly he came in I believe Owen handed the money to him.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. Q. What is Mr. Gallett? A. A grocer and cheesemonger—the shop was not open at the time; we were making alterations, that accounted for their speaking to me at the door—I saw the name of Tyndal and Jacobs on the van—there were about twenty persons at the Young Prince—several of them were buying, besides the dozen the bought.

FANNY SKELTON HILL. My father keeps the Queen Charlotte beer-house, in Jamaica Bow, Bermondsey—on Wednesday, 28th August, about five o'clock, I saw Panter; I do not recognise Owen—Panter called for a pint of half-and-half—he then went to the waggon and fetched in one of the tins; he opened it, called for a knife and fork and plate, and pepper and salt, and a slice of bread and butter, and he and one or two others stood there and ate it—it was a tin like these—he went out and fetched in two more, and sold them to a man who was standing at the bar—he asked 6d. a tin for them—I did not see any money pass—after they had finished the half-and-half they went out and drove off—there was another man with Panter; it was not Pearce.

Cross-examined by MR. STARLING. Q. Were they the worse for liquor? A. Panter seemed as if he was.

ELIZA GRINELL. My husband is a salesman in Alfred Street—Pearce lodges with us—on 28th August something was left at our house; I don't know what it was—it was not covered up, but I was busy at the time, and did not look to see what it was—they asked me if Mr. Pearce was at home, and there was no one at home—he said there was something to be left and 5s. to pay, and he would call in the evening—Pearce afterwards came home, and I told him—he said he was going to fetch nil wife from his mother's, and he left 5s. with me, and asked me to pay the man if he came—the constable afterwards came and found the things up stairs—I don't know who had placed them there—Pearce had not said that he expected anything.

Cross-examined by MR. BESLEY. Q. When the man came, did he not ask whether Pearce lived there? A. I am not sure; he asked if he was at home—I had never seen him before—the things were brought in in a nosebag, I think—Pearce has lived there two years, ever since he hat been married.

DAVID CARTER (Policeman 88 H). On 28th August, about half-past eight in the evening, I went to 18, Alfred Street, and waited Pearce's arrival—I saw twenty-three tins on the landing—he came home with his wife shortly after—I said, "Is your name Pearce? "—he said, "Yes"—I said, "Have you had any tins here to-day? "—he said, "Yes"—I said, "How many? "—he said, "I think twenty-three"—I said, "They have

been stolen, and you will have to go to Bermondsey Street Police-station; I am a police-constable"—he said, "I saw the men to-day in Eastcheap with the van; they asked me to bay some; I had never seen the men before, and I did not know what they were; I gave them my address, and told them to leave them"—I found 5s. on the mantelpiece in the back room—he said, "That was the money I left"—at the station he pointed out the other prisoners and said, "These are the men I bought them of."

Cross-examined. Q. Did he not say he was not aware they were stolen? A. Yes; he afterwards said he thought they were some sort of fish.

HUGH WOOD. I am a provision merchant, of 141, Minories—on 28th August I should have received about 165 cases containing preserved salmon—I only received 163—I gave Tyndal and Jacobs the bill of lading for 165—I received some cases that day broken open—the regular quantity of tins in each case is forty-eight—we opened three cases of the first load, one case was short seven, another three, and another three—we did not examine more—they are worth about 1s. each.

Cross-examined by MR. STARLING. Q. Do all these come from New Brunswick? A. Yes; I believe the cases are sometimes opened and examined at the docks by the Custom House officers, also a tin or two, not in every case, but out of the shipment—all these tins are of the same make and description; they are not all marked alike; these are painted red—perhaps a few are used in the Navy, and also in the Mercantile Marine—I believe it is the custom when ships come home with sample stores to sell them off—if there was any tins of preserved salmon among them any one could buy them—they would fetch considerably less than 1s. then—there is no difference in the description of tin in which fish is sent home, unless they are labelled—some preserved fish sell for 5d. or 6d. a tin—by the appearance of the tin you could not tell whether it contained salmon or any other fish.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLEY. Q. Do not Indiamen carry a large amount of fish in cases? A. Yes; a very large quantity of fish is imported from New Brunswick, and also lobsters, in similar tins; the labels are put on in this country.

The prisoners received good characters, PANTER— GUILTY. Eighteen Months' Imprisonment. OWEN— GUILTY. Recommended to mercy by the Jury and prosecutor.— Six Months' Imprisonment.


Before Mr. Justice Byles.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-1004
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1004. SARAH RAEBURN (27) , Feloniously casting and throwing Sarah Raeburn the younger into certain lime, with intent to murder her.

MR. STRAIGHT conducted the Prosecution.

ELIZA ROKER. I am the wife of Charles Roker, a printer, of 13, Queen Street, Walworth Common—on the afternoon of 17th September I was in Newington Causeway—I saw the prisoner there, carrying a baby—she threw the baby into some slake lime, which was wet and smoking, and then threw herself in—they were repairing the pavement—I thought at first that she had slipped over the stones—I did not think for the moment that she threw the baby in—I ran as quick as I could and picked the baby up, and said to the men, "Pray pick the woman up"—the baby was in the lime—one part of it was covered—it was on its left side when it was lying down—there was a very great deal of lime on the prisoner—I went to the police-station with her—I stopped with her for over three or four hours

after it occurred—I begged of her not to be guilty of such a thing again, a great many people had trouble—I said that she ought not take the trouble so much to heart—before that she said she had a very unkind husband, and I believe she has, from what I have heard—she said her husband had been very unkind to her, and she had been driven to it—she said nothing to me about slipping.

COURT. Q. You were before the Magistrate, were you not? A. Yes; I said nothing there about the conversation I had with the prisoner—I saw her husband only a week after, and told him of it—that was the first time I metnioned it—she first threw the baby in, and then she threw hereself in —I thought for a moment she had slipped over the stones—I thought that, because the stones were up—I mean tumbled over the stones—there were a great many stones in the footway—this was about half-past four is the afternoon, broad daylight—she said her husband had been unkind to her, and she had been driven to it—she did not say to what—she said she ws tired of her life.

WILLIAM BRUNNING (policeman 344 M) I received the prisoner into custody from the last witness—she said in the prisoner's presence that she should charge her with attempting to kill her child—previously to that the prisoner came running in front of her, and said she did not know what possessed her to have done it—there was lime on the child's feet and legs and also on the dress—there was lime also on the prisoner's clothes.

COURT. Q. Did you see the lime? A. No., it was a heap of slake lime, and they were using it for repairing the pavement—it must have been hot, for the clothes were all wet, nobody was burnt or burning—I have not known the prisoner before—when the prisoner said that she said she should charge her with attempting to kill her child.

ELIZA ROKER (re-called). This child was ten months old—she has two children living, I believe besides this one—I never saw the prisoner before this—I believe she has been in a lunatic asylum—I have heard so—her sister is present.

SARAH BUSSLE. I am sister to the prisoner—she is twenty-seven years of age—she has been married eight years—she has three children living—the child in question sustained no injury of any kind—she did most injury to herself—we hardly know whether she is of sound mind—she has been in Hanwell Asylum two years—she has been very kind to her children.

NOT GUILTY. She was also charged with an assault on the said child, upon which no evidence was offered.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-1005
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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1005. JAMES GREEN (45) , Attempting to discharge a pistol at Mary Green, with intent to murder her. Second Count, to do her grievous bodily harm. MESSRS. MONTAGU WILLIAMS and STRAIGHT conducted the prosecution, and MR. LILLEY the Defence.

EDWARD JONES. I live at 8, Abbey Street, Bermondsey Square, and am an oil and colourman—on Monday, 21st October, between eight and nine the prisoner came to my shop and asked to be served with some powder and shot—he was should leave the money and call on the morrow for it, but I did not wish to supply him at all with the powder, and told him I should be absent on the morrow, and during my absence they never sold gun-powder.

WILLIAM CHEATON. I live at 4, Charlotte Place, Bermondsey—on Tuesday, the 22nd October, the prisoner came to our shop about ten minutes past two—he said, "Is Jones in? "—Mr. Jones is my master—he said, "I want two half-sovereigns for a sovereign"—I said I had not got it, as master was dining—he then walked to the end of the shop, went to the door, came back again, and said, "How do you sell your powder? "—I said, "We have it not, only in half-pound canisters"—he said, "I will have one"—I served him with a half-pound canister—he then asked whether we sold slug shot—I said, "No. 4 shot is the largest size pound keep"—he said he would have some of the No, 4—he had half 4 pound and gave me 1s., and I gave him 2d. change—he then went to the door and came back again, and said he wanted some caps—I opened the drawer in which they were kept, and as I was doing so my master came in and served him.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you seen the prisoner before in your shop? A. No, not that I remember—he did not seem excited to me—he may hire been four or five minutes in the shop—I dare say there are other places in the neighbourhood where powder and shot may be bought.

BARON BARNETT. I am salesman to Messrs. Adams and Hillstead, pawnbrokers, of Bermondsey Street—on the night of the 21st October, between half-past seven and eight, the prisoner came to our shop and liked to be shown a pistol that was in the window, or a pair—I showed him a pair and a single one—he chose the single one, which was 5s. 6d., and paid for it.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you ever seen him before? A. Yes, I think I had—I think he was there on the Saturday—I am quite clear this was on the 21st.

MART GREEN. I am the prisoner's wife—early in October I left him, at his request—I remained away from him about a week—about half pest two in the afternoon of the 21st October I met him in George Street, under the archway—he asked what I wanted—I said, "I want to know what you are going to do"—be said, "If you will go away with your sister, and keep away till I get more reconciled, I will maintain you"—my sister, Sarah Box, was with me—he has been a good husband and a fond father. (The witness here fainted and was incapable of being further examined.)

SAMUEL KNAPP. I keep a general shop at 85, Redcross Street, Borough—the prisoner and his wife were strangers to me before this occurrence—on the afternoon in question, Tuesday, the 22nd October, about half-past two, I was under the archway at the bottom of George Street—while there I heard people talking loudly—I saw the prisoner and his wife—she was running, and he after her—I saw him present a pistol at the back of her head—I imagine he was then about two yards from her—he had it in his right hand—I did not see where his hand came from—I heard the cap snap, there was no explosion—his wife continued to ran on—she turned round, and he threw the pistol at her—he was running following her—she was about four or five yards from him when he threw the pistol—he threw it in the direction of her head—I tried to stop hint—the policeman had hold of him—I picked up the pistol, and handed it to the policeman—I afterwards heard him say he wished he had brought a knife instead of the pistol, he would have done for her at once—he said a great deal more as he was passing along, but nothing more that I recollect.

Cross-examined. Q. How far were you off at the time you saw them running? A. I was on the opposite side of the road—it is rather a wide thoroughfare—there were no carriages or people passing and repaying it the time—it was quite quiet—there was scarcely any one about—it was tinder the railway arch at the bottom of Neckinger Street—the prisoner and his wife were almost opposite to me in a sloping direction—I was about two or three yards from them at the time he threw the pistolthey ran in my direction across the road, and then turned sharp—they came almost upon me—I can't say the distance for certain, it might have been more—when I came up to him he was in a state of very great excitement—his wife and sister begged that he might not be taken into custody—he may have said, "Oh! give me into custody, give me into custody, I wish to be taken"—I believe he did say something of that kind.

SARAH BOX. I am the wife of Richard Box, a coachman, 9, North Street, St. John's Wood—the prisoner's wife is my sister—they have been married about nineteen years—the prisoner works at the engineering—he was formerly in the police—about half-past two o'clock on the 22nd of this month I went with my sister by appointment to meet the prisoner by the archway in George Street—I had previously seen the prisoner in the morning at his own house—I asked him for my sister's clothes, and lie gave them to me—I took them to her—in consequence of what she said, I went back to the prisoner, and asked if he would see her—he said no—I persuaded him to see her, as I thought, for his good, as I believed ray lister had been guilty to cause him to be jealous of her—he at last contented to see her at the George's Arch in half an hour—I returned to my sister, and made a communication to her, and proceeded with her to George's Arch, walking slowly—after we had been there a few minutes I saw the prisoner—I said to him, "Green, be calm, as yon promised me you would"—I saw that he seemed excited, and I was frightened—he asked his wife if she would go home with me, and he would maintain her—he said he could not live with her at present—on that my sister walked away—she turned her back towards the prisoner—he had his hands in his pocket—I saw him pull his hand out, and something in it—I said, "For God's sake, don't, "and with that I heard a light noise, not much louder than a match—I caught hold of him by the collar—my sister ran across the road—I don't think I saw anything picked up in the road—I saw the prisoner's hand go—I have seen the pistol since—I don't seem to remember its being picked up—I think I saw it given to the policeman—the prisoner had spent the previous Sunday evening with me, and his grief was very great—he repeatedly would burst out crying, and tell me something he remembered of the wrongs my sister had done him—he seemed to say he would look over it, provided she went away from him for a short time—he is a sober man, and I believe he has been a good husband—they have lived happily together—he told me the nature of the wrongs he supposed had been done him—he said he saw his wife coming out of the young man's bedroom, and he never took his eyes off the door till he saw the young man in bed a few minutes after.

Cross-examined. Q. Did he say he saw the young man undressed and in bed? A. I don't think that he said he was undressed—he said he had come home that afternoon unexpectedly—I think he said it was between two and three in the day—it was after dinner—the young man lodges at the house—I understood from him that directly after this occurrence he had

turned them both out of the house—the prisoner was a sober man and a good husband—I think he was always kind and affectionate towards hit wife—I am sure when I saw him on the Tuesday morning he was in a very excited state—at the time he took the pistol out of his pocket my sister had turned away from him—she went away quickly—that was immediately after he had proposed she should go and live with me—she made no answer to it at all, but turned at once and went away hastily—will you allow me to ask mercy for my brother-in-law? —I am sure he does not deserve to be punished, and he did not mean to do any harm—I pressed him to see her, and I take the blame on myself—I think my sister had given him cause.

COURT. Q. Did you tell your sister what you had heard from the prisoner on the Sunday? A. I wrote to her on the Sunday night after the prisoner had gone home, and I afterwards conversed with her about it.

ARTHUR LING (Policeman 159 M). On Tuesday afternoon, 22nd October, about half-past two, I was in the Neckinger Road, where the railway arch is—I saw Mrs. Box holding the prisoner, and calling out, "Police! "—he was trying to get away from her—he got away, and ran across the road after his wife—I saw a pistol in his hand—he held it up in his right hand and presented it at the back of her head—I was about five yards away—I heard the click of the cock go down on the nipple, and then I saw the explosion from the cap—he still continued running—I ran after him—his wife was then ahead of him—just as I laid my hand on his shoulder he threw the pistol at his wife; it went within a yard of her head—a witness picked it up and handed it to me—this is it—Mrs. Box came up to me while I had my hand on the prisoner's shoulder—she said, "For God's sake don't hurt him; I don't wish to prosecute him"—he said nothing to that—he said nothing to me about being prosecuted—his wife said nothing to me—I took him to the station—on the way he said he wished he had bought a knife instead of the pistol, and then he could have settled with her at once—when the pistol was handed to me the hammer was down on the nipple and an exploded cap underneath; the cap has been lost—I lifted up the cock and it dropped off—I am quite sure it was exploded—I handed the pistol over to the sergeant.

Cross-examined. Q. You were examined before the Magistrate? A. Yes—I did not state there that Mrs. Box said, "For God's sake don't interfere with him; we don't wish to prosecute; "and that he said, "Oh! yes, I wish to be prosecuted"—I don't remember that taking place—my deposition was read over to me, and I signed it in the usual way. (The witness's deposition was read by the Court; it contained the statement alluded to.)

WILLIAM KEELEY (Police Sergeant 5 M). At a few minutes to three on the 22nd last witness brought the prisoner to the station—he handed me this pistol; it was loaded; the trigger was half cocked—there was no cap on it, neither did it smell of powder—I examined the contents of the barrel—I first drew a piece of brown paper—underneath that was a quantity of No. 4 shot, underneath the shot a small quantity of powder, which came out with the shot, and underneath the powder was this, small piece of brown paper—it was between the powder and the touch-hole—the prisoner was in a very excited itate; he was inclined to say something—I told him to be calm and quiet himself—he said, "Oh! yes, I know, you may take down all that I say in writing"—I told him to be very calm and quiet before he made any statement—he afterwards said, "I am sorry that the pistol misfired; I had a favourable opportunity of doing it; if it is not

done this time some other time shall"—I sent a constable for the sister-inlaw and wife—they came, and the charge was made and entered in the usual way—I told him the charge—he said, "Yes, I understand"—he was very excited, and his wife also.

Cross-examined. Q. The paper was in the pistol, so that the powder could not flow into the nipple? A. No—it was impossible—I did not unscrew the pistol till after all the charge was drawn—this piece of paper was under the powder at the bottom of the barrel, so that there could be no priming—it is not loaded by unscrewing the barrel, it must be loaded from the mouth of the barrel—I had a small ramrod with a screw at the end, and the screw would enter that little hole; that was how I found out that there was something in the hole, the screw brought it out—it was impossible for the pistol to explode while the paper was there—I have the piece of paper that was rammed down on the charge, it is the same sort of paper as that which I found in the lower part of the pistol; to the best of my belief it came off one piece.

JURY. Q. Was there any paper between the powder and shot? A. No,

BARON BARNETT (re-examined). This is the pistol I sold to the prisoner—I do not consider myself a proficient in firearms, but I should put the powder in first, at the muzzle, then the shot, then the wadding—I can't say whether there was anything in it when I sold it—we sell them as we get them—I believe there was no powder or shot in it.

SARAH BOX (re-examined). The prisoner is an engineer's labourer—I do not know what work he does—I believe it is something in ironwork, something to do with engines, nothing to do with guns and pistols—he has one son, eighteen years old.

WILLIAM KEELEY (re-examined). I knew the prisoner when he was in the police—he joined it in 1851, I believe, and left somewhere about the middle of 1854—I have been in the police fifteen years, we have occasionally something to do with guns and pistols—I understood how to load a pistol when I was a young man, before I joined the police; the police did not teach me.

GUILTY. Very strongly recommended to mercy by the Jury, on account of the great provocation that he had had.— Twenty Years' Penal Servitude.

Before Mr. Recorder.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-1006
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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1006. THOMAS DAWKINS (14) PLEADED GUILTY to carnally knowing and abusing Sarah Carpenter, a girl under the age of twelve years and above ten.

Judgment respited.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-1007
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Not Guilty > unknown
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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1007. FREDERICK TAYLOR (17) and JAMES DOWLER (17) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwellinghouse of John Taylor, and stealing therein three hats and other articles, his property.

TAYLOR PLEADED GUILTY. To appear and receive judgment when called upon.

MR. COLLINS conducted the Prosecution, and MR. HOUSTON the Defence.

JOHN TAYLOR. I live at 142, Bermondsey Street, and am a hatmaker—Taylor is my son—he had not been living with mo for some weeks—I know Dowler—my boy left my house through him—on the night of 28rd September I was the last person about, and went to bed about half-past eleven—the premises were all secure, both front and back—about five next morning a constable awoke me—I went down stairs, and found front and back doors open—some one had got in through the wash-house

windows—in the shop I found various caps and hats and other articles used in the trade, packed up in a bundle, which was not there the night before—I also found articles which did not belong to me—whilst examining them I heard a noise at the shop door, and ran there and saw my son and his companion, who ran away—I fastened the door and went back to examine the parcel that did not belong to me, and while doing so heard a noise of keys a second time—I then hid behind the counter, and heard some one at the back—a person could get from Mr. Lyon's premises to the back of mine by getting over a wall—the prisoners made off, and I followed and found my son—they hid in a shed.

Cross-examined. Q. Where did you see Dowler before? A. On the sane morning when I opened the street door the first time—I hare seen him before that dozens of times.

JAMES HOLDING (Policeman 199 M). On 23rd September I was on duty in front of Mr. Taylor's shop about ten minutes past five—I went in, and found the back door also open—I called Taylor up and found the articles he has described—I also found another door open about fifty yards from this shop.

JAMES YALLOP (Policeman 19 M). I saw Taylor carrying a bundle, and asked him what he had—he told me some caps, and that he was going to sell them—he said he got them from home—I took him to the station and told him he would be charged with being concerned with Taylor in committing a burglary—he replied he had not seen Taylor since Monday or Tuesday morning.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you know his mother makes caps? A. Yes.

COURT to JOHN TAYLOR. Q. Are these caps made of cloth similar to what you lost? A. They are; I could not swear to the cloth itself.

MR. HOUSTON. Q. I suppose many people make these kind of caps? Yes; I did not know prisoner's mother was a cap-maker.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-1008
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-1009
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-1010
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1010. SAMUEL BEAUCHAMP (23) , Unlawfully having counterfeit coin in his possession, with intent to utter it.

MR. O'CONNELL conducted the Prosecution, and MR. PATER the Defence.

JAKES BRANNAN. I am a retired police inspector, and am employed by the Mint for the purpose of detecting offences—on the night of the 27th September I went with Sergeant Ham and some other officers to the Newcastle Arms beer-house, Lambeth, about half-past nine, and saw the prisoner standing at the door in his shirt-sleeves—he was seized by Morton and Ham—there were other policemen, of the L division, and a sergeant of the P division—they endeavoured to get him up stairs—he struggled very violently—they got him to the first-floor landing, and asked him whether he lived in the first-floor back room—he made no reply, but put his hand in his left-hand trousers pocket—Morton said,

"He has got his hand in his pocket"—he took his hand from his pocket—Morton seized it, opened it, and found in it the packet containing three bad shillings, with paper between them—he said, "Protect me, Mr. Brannan; this b—has put them in my pocket"—he was very violent, and kicked the officers—another piece of paper (produced) fell on the floor—I put my foot on it—it was picked up, but there was nothing in it—Inspector Bryant was using efforts to open the back door with a sledge hammer—the prisoner said, "Wait a minute, I will give you the key"—he did so—the door was opened, and the officers commenced searching—the coat the prisoner now wears was hanging on the wall—he was asked by one of the constables whether it was his—he said, "Yes; give it to me: Mr. Brannan, you need not search it, for your b— —will put something into it"—it was handed to Inspector Bull in my presence—I saw him search it, and take from it this packet, containing two counterfeit florins, with paper between them—he handed them to me in the prisoner's presence—the prisoner said, "The b---- has put it in my pocket."

JAMES HAM (Police Sergeant 5 P). I was with Brannan and the other officers—I was one of those who seized the prisoner—I told him we had a warrant for the purpose of searching his room for counterfeit coin—I had one of his arms, and Morton had the other—he made a jump, and caught hold of a window leading to the bar—he struggled very hard, and kicked violently—we got him upstairs—got him in a corner—I seized him, and he said, "Wait a minute, allow me to put this money in my pocket"—he had nothing in his hand whatever—he struggled very hard, and succeeded in getting his left hand into his trousers pocket—I can swear there was nothing in his hand at that time—Morton said, "He is drawing something out of his pocket"—Morton seized his hand, which was clenched, and took a piece of paper from it, which Brannan opened—we afterwards got into the room—a coat was hanging up, which I believe to be the one the prisoner has on now—Morton said, "There is a coat hanging up here"—the prisoner said, "That is mine, you shall not search it; allow Mr. Brannan to search it"—Brannan took it from the wall, and handed it to Inspector Bull, who found a paper parcel in it, which he handed to Mr. Bryant.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you present when he was searched at the station? A. Yes—there was about 30s. in good money found on him—I did not show him the warrant—it is usual to do so, and I should hare done so if he had given me the opportunity; I should have read it to him if he had asked for it—the stairs are very narrow, but it is not so narrow at the top—I went upon the left side and Morton on the right—the other constables followed us, none of them preceded us—I had the prisoner left hand by my left hand—it was on the landing that I released his hold—it was not very dark on the landing—there was a concert room, the door of which was open, and there was a gaslight—Brannan did not search the coat, because he had a candle or lamp in one hand, so he handed it to Bull—Bull did not ask to hold the candle.

MR. O'CONNELL. Q. Did he express any wish to see the warrant? A. No.

HENRY MORTON (Policeman 63 L). I took hold of the prisoner at the foot of the stairs, and held his right hand going up—he was very violent—I put him in a corner, and took his left side—I saw him putting his hand into his pocket, and said, "Take your hand out of your pocket"—he pulled it out, and brought out a paper parcel—another piece of paper, with

nothing in it, dropped on the ground from the same pocket—I took the parcel from him, and handed it to Brannan—when we went into the room a coat was handed to Inspector Bull, who took two florins out of it, and handed them to Brannan—I assisted Bull in searching him.

Cross-examined. Q. Was the prisoner potman at this house? A. Postman, waiter, and handyman—he was in his shirt-sleeves—the landing was not dark—there is a concert room at the corner, and there was quite sufficient light for a man to see what he was doing, as the door was open, and there were people in the room—I did not hear the prisoner say, "Bull, you take the coat and search it"—he said, "Mr. Brannan, look and see that they do not put anything in my pocket"—there was a great confusion, as he was so violent—I know he said something about a coat—he said before the Magistrate that it was his coat—I examined his pockets in the room before he left—he had good money in both trousers pockets—I took it out, and placed it on the mantelshelf—I was not in plain clothes—Sergeant Ham or Brannan had the warrant—it was read to him after he was in custody—it was after the door was opened—we had not been in the room many minutes when it was read—he said, "My name is not so, it is not spelt properly"—I mean to say that it was read over to him before his pockets were searched, and before his coat was searched I believe—I can't tell you who took the coat from the peg, but I believe it was an inspector of the G division—I am sure Bull put nothing into the coat—nobody else searched it—I was watching to give him an opportunity that nothing should be done wrong—Ham had hold of the prisoner's left hand going up stairs—he did not release him till he got to the top.

MR. O'CONNELL. Q. Was the good money in both pockets? A. Yes, loose, there was no paper about it.

JOHN BULL (Police Inspector L). I went with these constables—Brannan handed me a coat, which the prisoner has on now, and I found in the breast pocket a paper parcel, containing these two florins—a sovereign was on the prisoner, and a good quantity of copper.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you present when he was taken up stairs? A. I was behind—I was not sufficiently near to hear what was said—I am positive the warrant was read over to him, up in the back room, before the coat was searched—the landing is four or five feet square—we were all huddled together—the landing would have been dark if the door bad been closed, but the front door was open, and there was gas burning in the room—there was a number of persons in the front room, the concert room.

WILLIAM WEBSTER. I am inspector of coin to her Majesty's Mint—these three shillings are bad—these two florins are also bad, and from the same mould.

MR. PATER to JAMES BRANNAN. Q. Who read the warrant? A. I think Inspector Bryant—the prisoner said he did not want any more read—directly we entered the passage I said we had a warrant, and he was entitled to have it read if he liked—he said, "Is my name in the warrant? "—I said, "Yes, "and it was shown to him—he had it partly in his hand up in the room—he would not have it before.

Prisoner. This is my coat—I have no inside breast pockets.

GUILTY.†— Two Years' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-1011
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1011. JAMES COOK (48) was indicted for a like offence.

MR. O'CONNELL conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS HOGGER. I keep the Rose public-house, New Cross—on the evening of 14th October, about nine o'clock, I served the prisoner with a glass of six ale—he gave me a bad florin—I said, "Have you any more like this? "—he put his hand in his pocket and pulled out a handful of copper and silver—I said, "Why do you want to change this, when you have smaller money? "—he made no answer—I sent for a policeman and I set my assistant to watch the prisoner in the tap-room—as the policeman came in Wood, another of my servants, came out of the tap-room and brought me a small parcel, which I gave to the constable, who opened it—I also gave him the florin, and he marked it.

HENRY WOOD. I am coachman to Mr. Hogger—I was in the tap-room with the ostler and saw the prisoner come in—he walked towards the fire-place and put a paper parcel into my hand—I did not hear him say anything—I did not disturb the contents, but gave it to Mr. Hogger.

Prisoner. I asked you to see if they were good.

Witness. I did not hear you say anything, but I saw your lips move—it is my impression that you said something—Mr. Hogger had not spoken to me—I do not know you, and you did not know that I was coachman to Mr. Hogger—there were five or six persons in the room.

THOMAS BELCHER (Policeman 234 R). The prisoner was given into my custody—I searched him and found 8s. in silver and Is. 5 1/2d. in copper—Mr. Hogger gave me this florin (produced), which I marked, and this parcel, containing five florins separately wrapped in blue paper.

WILLIAM WEBSTER. These six florins are bad, and from the same mould, the marked one and all.

Prisoner's Defence. I picked them up on Deptford Bridge. I was three-parts drunk.

THOMAS BELCHER (re-examined). He seemed to be drunk, but it was all pretence.

MR. HOGGER (re-examined). He was quite sober.

HENRY WOOD (re-examined). He was quite sober.

GUILTY. Twelve Months' Imprisonment.

28th October 1867
Reference Numbert18671028-1012
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1012. ROBERT JAMES PAGE (27) , Feloniously forging and uttering a receipt for the payment of 15s. 4 1/2d., with intent to defraud.

MR. HOUSTON conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS GREEN. I am employed by Mr. Taylor, baker, of High Street, Clapham—on Saturday, 12th October, about four in the afternoon, I went out with the barrow to deliver some bread, and saw the prisoner—I asked him to assist me in pushing the barrow—I had to deliver four quarterns of bread at Mrs. Garrett's—I stopped at Battersea Fields to look at some shooting—I gave the prisoner the four quartern loaves and I basket, and said, "Will you take these to Mrs. Garrett's, and I will catch you"—I stopped two minutes—he went to the house and came back, and said, "Mrs. Garrett says if you do not send her bill she shall have to come up to your master and get you into a bother"—I said, "She has had her bill"—he left me and I saw him again on Sunday morning—I took some bread to Mrs. Garrett on the Tuesday, and took the bill, and in consequence of what she said I spoke to the prisoner, who I met at the corner of Manor Street three-quarters of an hour after—I saw a constable first, and then crossed to the prisoner, and said, "Mrs. Garrett has paid you a bill"—he said, "No, she has not; I don't know anything

about your money"—the constable said, "You had better come down to the shop; "he did so, and then said, "I have spent some of the money, and lost some"—he was given into custody—I gave him no authority to sign my name, this "Recevied, J. A. Taylor, Thomas Green, "is not my writing.

ALFRED GARRETT. I am a carpenter, of Stewart's Lane, Battereen—on 12th October the prisoner delivered four loaves at my house—I brought out a bill for 15s. 4 1/2d., which I had previously received from Mr. Taylor, and gave it to my wife with 15s. 6d. to pay the bill—I passed the money at the door—she paid it to the prisoner, and I stood and saw him sign this receipt—he said either "We" or "I can't get the boy here to-day; there will be a row when he gets home, and most likely he will get the sack"—he paid my wife 1 1/2d. change, and gave here the bill—I noticed the name of Green on it, which was a strange name.

WILLIAM HARMER (Policeman 163 W). About the middle of October the prisoner had received 15s. 4 1/2d., and had signed his name and his master's and spent the money—the prisoner said, "I had the money"—I did not hear him say what he had done with it—going to the station he wanted to know whether he should get six months.

Prisoner's Defence. I acknowledge having taken the money in an unguarded moment. It is the first time in my life I signed the lad's name, without any intention of committing a forgery.

GUILTY. Six Months' Imprisonment.


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