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A star (*) denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars (**) that they have been more than once in custody—An obelisk (†) that they are known to be the associates of bad characters.


OLD COURT.—Monday, April 5th, 1852.


Before Mr. Recorder and the First Jury.

5th April 1852
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345. JOHN STOWELL was indicted for wilful and corrupt perjury. (See Surrey cases.)

NEW COURT.—Monday, April 5th 1852.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Fifth Jury.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-346
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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346. GEORGE BANFIELD was indicted (with George Grey Kingdon, see p. 163) for unlawfully obtaining money by false pretences.

MR. GIFFORD conducted the Prosecution.

AMBROSE STOWE . I reside in Holly-street, Dalston, and am secretary to the Kingsland Equitable Loan Society. In May last the prisoner came to my office—he came to sign a promissory note—I do not know whether he said so, but he came with a man of the name of Kingdon, who was jointly indicted with him—I asked the prisoner if he was surety for Mr. Kingdon—he said, yes—I think he described himself as a silver plate engraver—he said his name was Banfield, and he was security for Kingdon—he signed this note, and put his address to it—I saw him sign it, and I advanced the money—(note read—"London, May 23, 1851. We jointly and severally promise to pay to Mr. Ambrose Stowe's order 9l. for value received; George Blake and George Banfield, 11, Fenton-place, City-road.")

Prisoner. Q. You came with another gentleman to Fenton-place in a chaise? A. I did; I went to the toll bar and to several places—I have no doubt I went to the next door to your house—I went to several houses in

the neighbourhood—I did not see you at all—I saw a woman who represented herself as a lodger—I left a bit of paper that you were to come to my office.

JAMES SOWERBUTTS . I am secretary to the Woodman Loan Society in White-street, Bethnal-green. I know the prisoner—I wrote this paper (looking at one)—I saw the prisoner sign it—he told me his name was George Whitlock, and said he had lived in his house three years, and he knew George Kingdon; he was his brother-in-law and a fellowship-porter—he recommended him as a very honest man—the prisoner wrote his address on this paper, "3, Arthur-street, Gray's-inn-road."

Prisoner. Q. How much was paid off that? A. 30s. by Kingdon.

HENRY COHEN PIRANI . I am manager of the Enrolled Loan Society, in Charlotte-street, Old-street-road. In Sept. last the prisoner came to my office—he gave the name of James Day—I had seen him previously at the house where he resided—I saw him again about three weeks ago, when he was given into custody—he then denied that his name was Day—he said it was Palmer.

Prisoner. Q. Where is the note? A. The prisoner had it; on my going into his house with the officer I challenged him with being of the name of Day—he said, "My name is not Day, but Palmer"—I said, "I shall give you into custody, without you pay the money"—he then said his name was Day, and paid the money.

Prisoner's Defence. I was known by that name, as the tax gatherer would say; I was known by the name of Banfield; there is not one person can say that I owe them a farthing; I signed this promissory note to oblige my sister; my brother-in-law was to pay, and he has paid as far as he could; I was known by the name of Banfield in everything I did; I did not have a farthing of the money.

GUILTY . Aged 34.— Confined Twelve Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-347
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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347. PATE CREASY was indicted for stealing 1 handkerchief, value 2s.; the goods of Samuel Stork, from his person: to which he pleaded

GUILTY .* Aged 17.— Confined Twelve Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-348
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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348. OWEN PONSONBY . stealing 1 snuffbox and 1 pair of boots, value 1l. 4d.; the goods of Matthew Frost: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 36.— Confined Four Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-349
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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349. JOHN MEAD and GEORGE DICKSON . stealing 4 pigs, value 6l.; the property of William Grover.

GEORGE GROVER . I am a farmer. My father's name is William Grover—I have seen four pigs which were shown to me by the policeman—they are my father's—I had seen them safe in his yard on the Monday week before I saw them again—I had seen the prisoners about the neighbourhood—I did not know their names.

WILLIAM PEARCE . I am a labourer. I work for Mr. Grover—I saw the pigs that were shown by the policeman—they were Mr. William Grover's—I knew them—I had seen them on the Monday week before—they were then all right in the yard—I fed them—I afterwards missed them—we searched, but could not find them—I have seen the prisoners; they lived about three miles from Mr. Grover's.

RICHARD TAYLOR . I am a butcher, and live at Uxbridge. On 19th Feb. I saw the prisoners at Uxbridge—they were coming out of Buckinghamshire into Middlesex—they were together, and had four pigs with them—I asked them the price of the two biggest pigs—they said the lowest price was 3l.—

the other two were smaller ones, and they asked 1l. apiece for them—I bid them 14s. apiece for them; they said I should have them for 16s.—I said I would give 15s.—they said I should have them—I told them to take them into the market—I did not pay for them—I saw Mr. Vagg buy the two largest ones for 22s. each—they were the same the prisoners had shown to me.

Dickson. Q. Did you buy the pigs of me? A. No; of the other prisoner, you did not say anything about them at all.

JOHN VAGG . I am a butcher, and live at Uxbridge. On 19th Feb. the last witness called me to go and look at the prisoners with two pigs—the prisoners asked me 27s. apiece for them—I said I would give them 82s. for them, and after some time they said they would take it—all the four pigs were driven into my yard—I afterwards saw Mr. George Grover—he saw the same pigs that I and the last witness had bought of the prisoners.

Dickson. Q. Did you buy them of me? A. You were both acting in concert—I asked the other prisoner where they came from—he said from Amersham Common.

DANIEL SUDBURY (policeman, T 212). On 19th Feb. I went to Mr. Vagg's—I saw the two prisoners and the four pigs; I saw Mr. George Grover afterwards—he saw the same pigs that were in Mr. Vagg's yard.

RICHARD SUDBURY (police-serjeant, T 11). I took the two prisoners—Mead gave the name of John Sanders, and Dickson the name of George Sanders—I asked Mead where he got the pigs—he said he brought them from Amersham Common from his father—I went there, and found his father fell from a Church and killed himself some years before—several persons who came from Amersham were asked in the prisoners' presence if they knew them—they said they knew nothing about them.


(The prisoners were further charged with having been before convicted.)

GEORGE BARRETT . I produce two certificates from Aylesbury—(read—John Mead, convicted on 3rd April, 1850—confined fifteen months; and George Dickson convicted at the same time, and confined fifteen months)—I was present—they are the persons.

MEAD— GUILTY . Aged 21.


Transported for Seven Years.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-350
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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350. AGNES HACKETT . stealing 1 handkerchief, value 1s. 6d., 1 bag, 6d., 1 half-crown, and 39s.; the property of George William Herbert, from his person.

GEORGE WILLIAM HERBERT . I am a model-maker. I was on Tower-hill on 11th March, about twenty minutes after 12 o'clock at night—the prisoner came to me, and put her hand in my right hand coat pocket, and took a silk handkerchief which I had there—I turned round, and she tripped me up, and when I recovered myself I found that she had abstracted a leather bag from my trowsers pocket, containing thirty-eight or thirty-nine shillings—I laid hold of her, and kept her till the officer came up—I have not seen my handkerchief since—this is my bag—it was in my trowsers pocket.

Prisoner. He called me from another female, and gave me the bag to hold.

Witness. No, I did not—I did not take the bag out of my pocket—she took it out—there was not a word passed between us.

JAMES SCARBOROUGH (City policeman, 541). The prosecutor gave the prisoner into my charge for stealing a purse and a silk handkerchief—she said she had not got it—I said she must go to the station—when she had gone three or four yards she dropped the bag of money behind her—she stopped immediately, and picked it up—I took it from her—she said the

prosecutor had thrown the purse down himself to swear a false charge against her—he could not have done that, for he was three or four yards in advance of me, and the money fell behind the prisoner—this is the bag I took from her.

Prisoner's Defence. I was going home, and I met this man; he tapped me on the shoulder, and asked me to walk with him, and I did; he gave me 6d.; I went and got a glass of liquor with a young woman; I bid her good night, and this man asked me to walk across the hill, and said he would give me 2s., but he said if he did I would not go with him; he gave me this bag to hold, and then charged me with stealing it.


The prisoner was further charged with having been before convicted.

WILLIAM CHARLES POTTER (policeman, K 212). I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction at this Court in the name of Ellen Murphy—(read—Convicted 3rd Feb. 1851; confined three months)—she is the person.

>GUILTY. Aged 12.— Confined Twelve Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-351
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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351. MATTHEW HURLEY and MICHAEL CRAWLEY . stealing 1 ass, value 13s., 1 set of harness and a cart, value 7s.; the property of William Jones.

WILLIAM SHAW (City policeman, 224). On the 22nd March, at a quarter past 6 o'clock in the morning, I saw the two prisoners coming down Holborn-hill—they were both riding in a cart which a donkey was drawing—Hurley was driving—I followed them to Victoria-street—I stopped them, and asked where they were going—Hurley replied that the man told them to mind the cart—I took him and the cart and donkey to the station—Crawley got away then, but I am sure he is the same person.

Hurley. Q. Was there not a boy there? A. I did not notice any one particularly—there were several round the cart, from the manner in which you were ill using the donkey.

Crawley. Q. Was there not a boy there? A. I did not notice one in particular—there was a man going to take the donkey and cart away—he said he knew the owner—I told him to go away about his business—there was a man came to the station—he said he did not want to give charge; all he wanted was his donkey and cart again.

JOHN JONES . I have seen this donkey and cart—they are mine—I get my living by selling flowers in the street—I went to the market at a quarter before 6 o'clock—I gave a boy 1d. to mind the cart, which I left in the regular place where I always do leave it, in Shoe-lane—the boy came in the market afterwards, and I saw him unloading a load of plants—I went out to give the donkey a bit of hay, and it was gone.

Crawley. Q. Did not the boy tell you it was gone to the station? A. No; I went as far as Holborn-hill looking for it—I afterwards saw it with the policeman—you ran away, I was told—I do not know whether I said it was done for a lark.

Crawley's Defence. We were both intoxicated, and the boy asked me to go as far as West-street; it was done for a mere lark.

Hurley's Defence. I was coming down Shoe-lane, and I met this little boy; he drew the donkey out, and said, "Which way are you going?" I said, "Down Holborn-hill;" he said, "Will you have a ride?" and he took us down to Victoria-street, and left us there about five minutes, and the policeman came and took us; I said, "What do you take me for?" he said, "On suspicion of stealing this donkey;" I said, "Come back, and there is the man," and he would not.


5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-352
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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352. CHARLES EMERY , stealing 100 yards of furniture, value 10l.; the property of Thomas Paul, his master: also 56 yards of furniture, and other goods, value 5l.; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 34.— Confined Twelve Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-353
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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353. WILLIAM SMITH was indicted for breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Isabella Herring, and stealing 1 watch, value 16l.; her property: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 29.— Confined Twelve Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-354
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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354. JAMES GOWER was indicted for embezzlement.

MR. ROBINSON conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM JOHN ASHLEY SCARLETT . I am a butcher, and live at 20, Kingsgate-street. The prisoner was in my service till Sept., 1851—I had a customer named Faultier, who lived in Fitzroy-square—my custom was to send in my bills to her quarterly—she was indebted to me in March, 1851, 20l. 2s. 11d.—I never received that sum from the prisoner—if he had received such a sum it would be his duty to pay it to me—this receipt is not my handwriting—I do not know whose writing it is—I did not authorize the prisoner to write it—in June last, in consequence of some information, I sent a note to Mrs. Faulder by the prisoner—I did not keep a copy of that note—the prisoner was aware of the purport of it—it was stating that the bill of March of 20l. 2s. 11d. was not paid, and I wrote to know if she had a receipt for that amount, as it was not paid—I told the prisoner what I was about to write, and he went away with the note in the usual way—he was gone perhaps two hours, and either that day or the day afterwards he said, "Mrs. Faulder said it was all right, she knew the March bill was not paid; she had made a mistake, and paid the June bill instead of that."

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. How long was the prisoner in your service? A. About sixteen or eighteen months—he had lived with my predecessor before me—he left me in Sept—I am not aware that he has been two voyages to sea since that—I have heard so—I have a son—he fourteen—I never trusted them to receive money from any customer—I never sent my son there, and he had no occasion to go there—I have another man in my business—I have not the slightest idea whose writing this receipt is—this case was to have come on last Session, but Mrs. Faulder was not well—I think the prisoner was taken into custody about two months back—I found that this money had not been paid in June last, and the prisoner left me in Sept.—this money was paid in April last—I sent the prisoner with the note about the middle of June—I am certain about the answer which the prisoner brought me back—I was always certain—I never told any one that I thought he told me it was all right—when I was before the Magistrate I was as certain as I am now—it has not been a matter of thought.

COURT. Q. Was the prisoner authorized to receive money for you? A. He has received money before from the same party—it was part of his business.

MR. ROBINSON. Q. I believe no bill was sent to Mrs. Faulder at Michaelmas, on account of the smallness of the amount? A. No, not till Christmas.

MARGARET THOMAS . I am cook in the service of Mrs. Faulder, in Fitzroy-square. The prisoner was in the habit of coming to her house with meat—I know him well—I recollect his coming in April—he asked for the payment

of a bill of 20l. 2s. 11d.—I went to Mrs. Faulder, and she gave me two 10l. notes, and 3s.—I gave that to the prisoner—he had given me this receipt before I went up to my mistress—he never brought a letter, to my knowledge, from Mr. Scarlett to my mistress.

Cross-examined. Q. How long have you lived cook with Mrs. Faulder? A. Three years—it is a private house—Mrs. Faulder's son lives there—I am quite sure I got the money from Mrs. Faulder, and paid it to the prisoner—I got the receipt before I got the money, and took it up to my mistress—I have known Mr. Scarlett's son for the last fortnight—I never saw him till then—he never came to my mistress' house, nor a man named Price in my time—I saw the prisoner every day except Sunday—I live with Mrs. Faulder now, and have done so ever since—I will swear the prisoner did not bring a letter to me for Mrs. Faulder in the month of June.

MARIE PAULINE FAULDER . I am a widow, and live in Fitzroy-square. I recollect my cook producing this receipt to me in April last—I gave her the money to pay this amount—I never received any letter from Mr. Scarlett in reference to this March bill—I never sent any message to him that it was all right, and that I knew the March bill had not been paid.

Cross-examined. Q. You have had your cook in your service three years? A. Yes.

(Receipt read—"Received, April 10, 1851, of Mrs. Faulder, 20l. 2s. 11d. William Scarlett.")

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 22.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury.— Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-355
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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355. WILLIAM PAYNE . stealing 42 printed books, value 2l.; the goods of Jonas Browne.

JONAS BROWNE . I am a merchant, in Fenchurch-street. I remember the prisoner coming to my counting house in Nov.: I think it was on the 14th—he asked me if I had got the Nos. complete of a work I was taking in, the "Illustrated Atlas"—I had seen him at my office, and I believe it was to bring some of the Nos.—he asked me if I had got them complete, if I wished to have them bound, as Tallis and Co. were binding the work, and as they were binding a large quantity they could do them very cheap for me—he told me the cost would be 6s.—I gave him forty-two Nos. of the "Atlas"—I handed him a bit of paper, and he gave me an acknowledgement—this is it—he said I should have the books in about a fortnight's time—I did not see him afterwards till he was brought to my office in custody of a police officer named Thane—I had seen the prisoner several times before—he brought me some of the Nos.—I think it was always about the same books—he came to my office about six weeks previous to the time when I delivered these Nos., and asked if I had got the work complete—it was not complete at that time—he told me it wanted two more Nos. to complete it, and he said he would send them—they were delivered a short time after that by another party, not by himself—I delivered them to him to have them bound.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. When did you first see the person that you say was the prisoner? A. That I cannot say exactly—I should say from twelve to eighteen months previous to my delivering the Nos. to him—I should think I had seen him four or five times at least over a space of eighteen months or thereabout, or from twelve to eighteen months—I did not In the course of that time know his name—I am quite sure of that—I was served by other persons with the Nos. of this work—I should think by about three others, by two at all events—there were forty-two Nos. altogether—I

have no recollection of more than three persons serving me—I only know the prisoner by seeing him at my office—I made no inquiries about him only when the Nos. did not come back.

THOMAS JAMES PARKER . I am superintendent of the canvasser's department of Messrs. Tallis and Co.—they are publishers. I know the prisoner—he was formerly employed by Messrs. Tallis and Co., but not during the time that I have been superintendent—I know that because I was a canvasser myself then—it was his duty to deliver works—certainly ha has not delivered Nos. for the last twelve months—those forty-two Nos. never came in from Mr. Browne—the prisoner bad no authority from the firm to obtain those works from him.

Cross-examined. Q. This man was employed at the house long before you were? A. He was—Mr. Agate was the superintendent before me—I believe the prisoner had been a canvasser before me, but I cannot say of my own knowledge—I cannot tell you how long he was in the employ while I was there, for the canvassers do not always know the deliverers, nor the deliverers the canvassers—I never heard that the prisoner pointed out any irregularities, but I have heard of irregularities respecting him.

CHARLES THAIN . I am a detective policeman. On Saturday, 28th Feb., I saw the prisoner in the Queen's Arms—I naked him if his name was William Payne—he said it was—I asked if he had been employed in the firm of Tallis and Co., publishers—he said he bad, but it was some time ago—I said some person had been going about collecting a work called the "Atlas," amongst the customers under the pretence of getting it bound—he said, "I know nothing at all about it"—I said, "Well, you answer the description, and to exonerate yourself, will you have any objection to go round to the customers?"—he said he would go about 10 o'clock—I said, "Now is the time"—I took him to Mr. Browne, and he said, "That is the man that took my books"—the prisoner said, "I know nothing about them"—I took him to the station.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you know a man named Crawley? A. I do; I did not employ Crawley on this occasion, nor know of his being employed—I did not take the prisoner in his own horse, but in the Queen's Arms public house in St. Martin's-le-grand—he was in company with Crawley—I had seen Crawley on the day previous—Crawley had net been employed by me, nor by anybody else to my knowledge, to enable me to find the prisoner—I took the prisoner to Mr. Browne, who at once recognised him as the person—I took him to several other persons—some said they were not certain he was the man—one or two said he was not the man—Mr. Low said he believed him to be the man; he did not say he was not the man in my hearing—Mr. Jones said he looked very much like the man—he did not say he was not the man—Mr. King said he looked very much like the man—he did not aay he was not the man.

COURT. Q. What did Mr. Low say? A. He said he believed him to be the man—Mr. Jones said he looked very much like the man—Mr. King said he thought he looked like the man, but he should not like to say.

NOT GUILTY . (See Surrey cases.)

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-356
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown

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356. WILLIAM BONE and WILLIAM CAMPBELL . stealing 3 pecks of oysters, value 1l. 12s.; the property of Adrianus Visser.

GEORGE WALKER . I am in the service of Mr. Adrianus Visser, he lives in Lower Thames-street. On 21st Feb. he brought me some bags of oysters, and told me to convey them on board a vessel when it was cleared—I had

them safe about 9 or 10 o'clock, and in about an hour afterwards I missed one bag and another half bag, I think about three quarters of a bushel—in consequence of what was told me, I went to the Shades tap, where I saw Bone eating some small oysters—I could not swear to the oysters—I told him I was told that he had stolen some oysters, and I would get an officer—he said he had been told to take a few.

Bone. Q. Was there any other person there? A. Yes; three or four men—I did not take them, because I was told you took the oysters.

JOSEPH ROSE . I am a waterman, and live at Bermondsey. I saw some oysters under a boat at Tower-wharf on a Saturday—I saw Campbell come down and take a little handkerchief full of oysters from under the boat—I did not know whose oysters they were, but I inquired afterwards and saw the last witness—Campbell went away and returned with Bone, and between the two they lifted a bagful on Bone's back—there were some others with them—they all went away, and I gave information to the last witness.

Bone. Q. Did you examine the bag before I took it? A. No; it might have been a bag of anything else beside oysters—it was not a bag of grain, I am sure; I could see the oysters project from the bag—the bag was sewn np—when I saw you take the bag away I began to inquire who they belonged to.

HENRY MAUNDRELL (City policeman, 563). I took Bone into custody—I told him it was for taking the oysters from the Tower-stairs—he said he knew nothing about any oysters, only some party invited him to eat some in the tap—in going along I said I supposed he had been carrying some oysters, as I saw his clothes were dirty—he said he had been employed to carry them—I took Campbell the next day—he said he did not know the oysters were stolen, but a man asked him to the him a lift with a bag of oysters.

GEORGE WALKER re-examined. I placed the oysters under a boat because of the frost, which falls so heavily that it kills the oysters.

Bone's Defence. I was going to the Tower-wharf, and a man asked me whether I would earn 6d.; I said I would; he said, "Carry this bag to Mark-lane;" I did, and put it down opposite Mark-lane; he gave me 6d., and I went to the Shades to get some refreshment; there were some men eating oysters; they asked me if I would have any; I said, "Yes;" I had about three.

Campbell's Defence. I was coming on shore, and a man asked me to give him a lift up with a bag; I did so, and went about my business; after I returned to work, Walker came to me and said the policeman was after me for stealing oysters; I said I knew nothing about it.

BONE— GUILTY . Aged 25.— Confined Two Month's.


NEW COURT.—Tuesday, April 6th, 1852.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Sixth Jury.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-357
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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357. WILLIAM LLOYD was indicted for unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 61.— Confined Eighteen Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-358
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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358. ALFRED HARPER . for a like offence: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 27.— Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-359
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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359. JAMES COLLINS . for a like offence: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-360
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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360. WILLIAM JOHNSON. alias TUMILTY . feloniously uttering counterfeit coin; having been before convicted: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Two Years.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-361
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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361. GEORGE MEDLER . unlawfully having counterfeit coin in his possession.

MESSRS. ELLIS and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM TAPRIN . I assist Mr. Taprin in his business, in Hungerford-arcade. On 4th March the prisoner came and asked for a penny cake—he it broke off—I gave the prisoner one of the pieces back, and told him it was bad—he said he took it at the top of the street—he went away—I saw him go into a baker's shop in Bedford-court—after he came out I went into the shop, and in consequence of what I was told there I gave him into custody with the piece of the shilling—this is it.

EDWARD POSTLE (policeman, F 147). I was on duty about 7 o'clock in the evening—Taplin gave me an alarm—I took the prisoner in Bedford-street, Covent-garden—I took him to Bedford-court, and Mrs. Elizabeth Johnson said, "That is the man that passed a bad shilling to me"—I told the prisoner I should search him before be went any further—he said he would not be searched by any b—y policeman—I searched him, and took part of a shilling from his hand, and in his right hand coat pocket I found three shillings wrapped in paper—he said he was not aware that he bad anything of the sort about him—these are them.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . I am inspector of coin to the Royal Mint. This fragment is part of a counterfeit shilling—these other three shillings are also bad, and from the same mould as this fragment.

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Twelve Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-362
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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362. MICHAEL HENNESSY . was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. ELLIS and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN JOSHUA LAWRENCE . I am assistant to Mr. Draper, a cheesemonger, in Cannon-street, St. George's-in-the-East. Late on Saturday night, 21st Feb., I was outside the shop while they were closing it—the prisoner and two other men came up—the prisoner asked for two rabbits—I weighed them, they were about seven pounds—I cannot exactly say what they came to, but it was 3s. and something—the other parties persuaded the prisoner to pay for them, but he found he had not sufficient—he had a sixpence and some half-pence—he put the sixpence in his pocket again, and had one rabbit weighed that came to not quite half the money that the two did—the prisoner then tendered me a half crown—I tried it, and it broke in two; it was a bad one—I told him it was bad, and chucked it on the counter—one of the men who came with him took it up, and a butcher who lives in the neighbourhood, and was in the shop at the time, took it from him and gave it to my master—one of the prisoner's companions said to my master, if he did not mind perhaps he would get into the same hobble that another person had done, as it was stated in the newspapers some time back that some person had broken a good sovereign instead of a bad one—one of the neighbours fetched an officer unknown to me—he came, and the prisoner and one of his companions were given into custody; the third man got away, and the other who was taken was discharged by the Magistrate—I heard something drop and I saw the

butcher stoop—I cannot say that I saw him pick up anything, but he produced a bad shilling.

WILLIAM DRAPER . I am a cheesemonger. On Saturday night, 21st Feb., the prisoner and two others came to my door and asked the price of rabbits—I told them 6d. a pound—they selected two, and I sent them in to be weighed by Lawrence—I was outside, and after they were weighed I heard something about a half crown—I went in, and received a half crown from Hennington, the butcher—I noticed that it was bad, and I told the prisoner so, and Calman, who got off, said, "Remember, some time back a party was pulled for biting a sovereign"—I said, "I will run all chance about biting this; I have got enough now to transport you"—I had then got a shilling in my hand which the butcher had given me—a policeman came, and I gave him the half crown and the shilling.

JAMES HENNINGTON . I am assistant to Mr. Joy, a butcher. I was in the shop—I either took the half crown out of one of the persons' hands, or took it off the counter—I then heard something fall, and I picked up a bad shilling close by the three men who were standing all together—I gave it to Mr. Draper—I think the party who got away dropped it.

JOSEPH NICHOLLS (policeman, K 210). I received this shilling and half crown from Mr. Draper.

WILLIAM CHAPMAN (policeman, H 220). The prisoner was given into my custody—as I was taking him he dropped this half crown on the pavement wrapped in blue paper—I turned round and picked it up—I asked bin what he had dropped—he said, "I have not dropped anything; it is all right."

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These two half crowns and the shilling are all bad.

Prisoner's Defence. I had been portering all about, and I had 16s. that day for labour; I got drunk; I happened to have this bad half crown; I did not know it was bad; I never had a halfpenny laid to my charge; I have been a hard-working man sixteen years.

GUILTY . Aged 48.— Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-363
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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363. THOMAS WIDDICOMB . was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. ELLIS and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

HARRIET NADAULD . I keep a beer-house, in the Fulham-road. On 28th Feb. the prisoner came, about ten minutes before 9 o'clock at night—he asked for a pint of beer, and put a shilling down on the counter—I found it was bad—I ran round to shut the door, and called to my husband to fetch a policeman—the prisoner said, "What is the matter, I can pay you for the beer"—I said, "You should have done that before you knew what you were giving me"—a policeman came, and the prisoner was given in charge—I and gave me six bad shillings in two pieces of rag—I gave them to the officer.

GEORGE JAMES HAMILTON . On the morning of 29th Feb. I was taking a pie to the baker's, about 11 o'clock—I stopped to rest at the old stump of a tree, nearly opposite Mrs. Nadauld's—I saw six shillings wrapped in a parcel under the stump in two pieces of cloth—I took it up, put it in my pocket, and went to Mrs. Calvert's to get a tart—I found the money was bad—I gave the money to Mrs. Calvert, and told her how I got it.

JANE CALVERT . Hamilton came to my shop for a tart—he put downs shilling—I found it was bad, and I told him so—he produced five other shillings, and told me how he got them—I took the shillings to Mrs. Nadauld's, and gave them to her in the same cloth the boy gave them to me.

WILLIAM MANSGAL (policeman, V 101). I took the prisoner on Saturday, 28th Feb.—I got a counterfeit shilling from Mrs. Nadauld—I found on the prisoner 2s. 6d., good, but nothing else—he told me that I considered myself very wide awake, and very clever, but said, "You have not got the lot now you have got only one piece, and can make nothing of that"—he told me I was to consider he was no flat, that he was up to the rigs of London—on the Monday I got six counterfeit shillings, in two pieces of cloth, from Mrs. Nadauld—I took off the prisoner's coat in presence of the Magistrate, and took this piece of it, which corresponds exactly with a piece that the money was wrapped in—I had observed before that his pocket was torn.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This shilling that was passed is counterfeit—these others are all counterfeit, and from the same mould as the other.

Prisoner. I had been to Notting-hill, and worked hard all day; I went to get a pint of beer; I said, "What is the matter?" she said, "Is it a bad shilling:" the officer searched me, and took all the good money I had; I said he had got all I had; I did not say anything else.

GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Twelve Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-364
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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364. GEORGE JOLLAND . was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. ELLIS and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

ELIZABETH JONES . My husband is a tobacconist, in Aldersgate-street. On 25th Feb. the prisoner came for half an ounce of tobacco, it came to 1 3/4 d.—he gave me a shilling—my daughter was there—I sent her to get change—the prisoner said coppers would do, and he was rather in a hurry—my daughter came back, and brought Mr. Russell with her—the prisoner was then gone—I found the shilling was bad—I put it aside, and on the Saturday following I gave it to the officer—I had kept it apart from all other coin—on 28th the prisoner came again—I sent for Mr. Russell—the prisoner asked for half an ounce of tobacco—he gave me a bad shilling—I gave him into custody, and gave the second shilling to the officer.

JANE GREGORY JONES . My mother gave me a shilling to get change—the prisoner was in the shop—the shilling turned out to be bad—I brought it back, and Mr. Russell came back with me—I am sure I brought back the same shilling my mother gave me.

JAMES RUSSELL . I am a stationer, in Aldersgate-street. The last witness came with a shilling for change—I detected it to be bad—I went back with her to her mother, and took the same shilling back.

JOHN SAUNDERS (City-policeman, 236). I took the prisoner, and got a had shilling from Mrs. Jones—she said, in the prisoner's hearing, that he had passed one two or three days before—the prisoner said, "Why did you not give me into custody?"—I took him to the station, and found on him a good half crown—he refused to give his address—he said he could not tell where he worked—he worked at Woolwich—I got this other shilling from Mr. Russell.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These are both bad.

GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-365
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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365. ELLEN HURLEY . feloniously uttering counterfeit coin; having been before convicted.

MESSRS. ELLIS and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

SAMUEL JARMAN . I am clerk in the office of the solicitor of the Mint—I produce a copy of the conviction of Ellen Hurley—I have examined it—it is a true copy (read—Ellen Hurley convicted of uttering a counterfeit shilling on

20th Nov., 1848, and another counterfeit shilling on 2nd Dec. She pleaded GUILTY and was confined nine months.)

RICHARD MOORE . I am one of the beadles of Covent-garden market I was present at that trial—the prisoner is the person—I took her into custody.

ELEANOR HUGHES . I am the wife of Peter Hughes, he sells oranges in Covent-garden market. On Sunday, 29th Feb., the prisoner came for half a hundred of oranges—she gave me a shilling, a sixpence, and 6d. worth of halfpence—about five minutes after she had left the shop, I found the shilling was bad—I had not put the money out of my hand—I marked the shilling, and put it away in the drawer, in a bit of paper—I afterwards gave it to the officer—on the Saturday following she came again for half a hundred of oranges—she gave me a shilling and a sixpence—I noticed that the six-pence was bad the moment she gave it to me—I told her so—she said, "Is it a bad one?"—I said, "Yes it is"—I called my husband, and he gave her into custody, and gave the sixpence to the officer.

FREDERICK JAMES JOHNSON . I am one of the beadles of Covent-garden market. I received this shilling from the last witness.

RICHARD MOORE . I am one of the beadles of Covent-garden market. I received this sixpence from Mrs. Hughes—I took the prisoner.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These are both bad.

(The prisoner put in a written defence, stating that she must have taken the sixpence from one of her customers, and did not know where she got the shilling; and that she had been in prison a month already.)

GUILTY . Aged 45.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury.— Confined Eighteen Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-366
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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366. SARAH BROWN . unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. ELLIS and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

WALTER FORD (policeman, T 225). I attended at the police-office, at Brentford, when the prisoner was examined on this charge—Ann Sullivan was examined in the prisoner's presence, and the prisoner was asked if she wished to put any questions to her—Ann Sullivan's deposition was taken down in writing—she is not here—she has been recently confined—I have a certificate here—I saw her in bed this morning—I saw the baby.

The deposition was read, as follows:—Ann Sullivan saith, "I am the wife of William Sullivan, of Old Brentford, greengrocer; the prisoner and her husband had been lodging at my house; on 27th Feb. the prisoner's husband left to go to work, and on Monday the prisoner came to fetch her things; I purchased some little books of her; she gave me two shillings to pay the rent; a person came in directly afterwards and said one of the shillings was bad; the shilling produced is one she gave me; I gave it to the policeman."

THOMAS BURFORD . I am a pawnbroker, at Old Brentford. The prisoner came to me on 1st March, between 1 and 2 o'clock, just before I went to dinner—she tendered me eight shillings—one was bad, this is it—here is the mark of the "trier" on it—the date was 1818—when I told her it was bad, she asked me to wrap it in a piece of paper, and keep it separate from other money—she said she took it in change for a half sovereign—I gave it her back.

CHARLES PIPER . I keep a public-house at New Brentford. On 1st March the prisoner came and called for half a quartern of gin, two outs—she had another woman with her—the prisoner gave me a good half crown—I gave in change two Queen's shillings, and fourpence in halfpence—I am positive the shillings I gave her were good—the prisoner took up the halfpence first,

and then she took up one shilling—my attention was called to the other customers in the bar—I just turned my head and heard the prisoner chinking the shillings on the bar-door—one of these fell down—I stooped and picked it up, and found it was soft, and a bad one—it was not one that I gave her—they were Queen's, and this was George III.—I said, "I suspected this a long while from you, I have been watching you from information"—I went to the door to look for a policeman—I did not see one—I came in again, and the prisoner still persisted that she did not give me a bad shilling—having many customers, and my wife not there, I gave the prisoner another shilling, and kept the bad one, and marked it.

Prisoner. You said to that woman there, "Why did not you stop and mind the bar? if you had this would not have happened." Witness. I did not say it to any one.

JOHN SMITH (policeman, T 92). I produce this shilling I received from Piper.

WALTER FORD (policeman, R 2). I produce the shilling Sullivan gave me—I took the prisoner at Brompton on 3rd March—I told her what I took her for, she made no reply—I took her to Kennington, and had her searched—a sixpence and some halfpence were found on her.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These are both bad.

Prisoner's Defence. The publican in giving me change tendered me one bad shilling, which I of course refused; I know nothing about the other piece; I do not believe I gave it her at all, for I sat in her house full half an hour, and she never said anything about it; I do not know anything about the one the pawnbroker alludes to.

GUILTY . Aged 40.— Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-367
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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367. ANSTEAD FITZGERALD . was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. ELLIS and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

ANN SALMON . My husband keeps a butter-shop, in Fleet-street. On 6th Feb. the prisoner came about 7 o'clock in the evening, he purchased four eggs, they came to 4d.—he paid me with a half sovereign—I tried it, and it was good—another man came in for 1d.-worth of cheese, and the prisoner said the eggs would not do, he wanted new laid ones—I gave him back the half sovereign, and while I was serving the other man the prisoner said, "I will take these eggs, and if they do not do you will change them"—he put down a half sovereign, which was not the one I gave him back, and he was gone out immediately—I kept the half sovereign in my hand till I got a policeman—I am sure the prisoner is the man.

HANSLIP NEWDICK . I am a greengrocer, of Star-street, Hampstead-road. On 21st Feb., I should say after 10 o'clock at night, the prisoner came and wanted a bunch of turnips—he said his mother was by there that day, and thought them very good—he asked me the price, I said 2 1/2 d.,—he gave me a half crown—I gave him change, and he went away—I put the half crown in my pocket, where I had another half crown—I afterwards went out with some coals, and saw the prisoner again—he ran up to me and asked me if I could give him change for half a crown—I said, "I think I can, is it good?" he said, "Yes," and tossed a half crown up with his thumb—I gave him change, and kept the half crown in my hand—I took it home and found it was bad—I put it in my waistcoat-pocket—it was not mixed with any other money—after I had done my business, I laid it on the mantelpiece—I afterwards searched my pocket where I had put the other half crown—I found two half crowns, one was bad, I put it on the mantelpiece with the other, which I bad

bent—they lay there till the next morning—no one touched them—I cut one of them, put them into my pocket, and gave them to the policeman.

SARAH ANN NEWDICK . I am the wife of the last witness. Nobody else lives where we are—I did not meddle with those half crowns on the mantel-piece.

GEORGE HENRY BROWNING . My father is a baker, and he keeps the post-office at the corner of Conduit-street. I was there about 6 o'clock in the evening of 23rd Feb.—the prisoner came and wanted half a crown's worth of postage stamps—I was about to fold them up for him, and he said, "Never mind, I am in a great hurry, I have letters to post"—he took them, and gave me half a crown—he left the shop before I could try the half crown—I found it bad—I called after him—he was running, and when I called he ran still faster—I followed him—a man stopped him—he was brought back, and he had the stamps with him—I gave the half crown to the officer.

ROBERT DOBBS (policeman, D 226). I took the prisoner, and received 1 half crown and a half sovereign from Mrs. Salmon, and two half crowns from Mr. Newdick.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These are all bad—the two half crowns passed to Mr. Newdick are from the same mould.

GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined Twelve Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-368
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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368. MARY BUCKLEY . was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. ELLIS and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

ELKANAH THORNE . I live in Broad-court, Long Acre, and am a tobacconist. On the evening of 12th March the prisoner came for half an ounce of tobacco, it came to 1 1/2 d.—I served her—she gave me a shilling—I gave her change, and she left—I placed the shilling in the till, where there was no other money—she came again in about five minutes, and asked for a 1d. worth of snuff—she paid for that with a shilling—I asked her if she had not got a sixpence, as I had given her one just before—she said it was for some one else—I gave her change for that second shilling, and before she got out I discovered that it was bad, but I could not say anything to her as she was out of the shop in a moment—I bent the shilling in the "detector," and then looked at the one I had taken before—I found they were both bad—I placed them in a box, and locked them up—on the Sunday the prisoner came again, about 7 o'clock in the evening; my wife was serving in the shop—I saw the prisoner through a window—I saw my wife serve her with some tobacco—I saw the prisoner lay down a shilling—my wife called me, I went, and the shilling was bad—I told the prisoner she was there on the Friday night, and passed two bad shillings—she said she was never in the shop before—I said I could swear to her being there on the Friday night—I sent for an officer, and gave her into custody—she then said she had been once in the shop on Friday night, but she did not know the money was bad, and if I would let the policeman go home with her she would give good money—I gave the two shillings to the officer—I found them in the same box in which I had locked them up.

JANE THORNE . I am the wife of the last witness. On the Sunday evening the prisoner came for half an ounce of tobacco, it came to 1 1/2 d.—I weighed it, and she laid down a shilling—I noticed it was bad, and called my husband—I handed the shilling to him, and he said the prisoner was the person who passed the two shillings on Friday night—she said she had never been in the shop before.

JOSEPH SELBY (policeman F 137). I was called, and took the prisoner—

she said she had not been in the shop for a month before, but in about three minutes afterwards she said she had been once on the Friday night, and if I would go with her she would give me two shillings for the bad ones—I produce the three bad shillings.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These are all bad—the first that was passed on Friday, and the one passed on Sunday, are from the same mould.

GUILTY .* Aged 17.— Confined Twelve Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-369
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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369. PATRICK MURPHY . was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. BODKIN and ELLIS conducted the Prosecution.

ANN WATKINS . I keep a general shop at Highgate. On 13th March the prisoner came to my niece's shop where I was then staying—he bought two black puddings—they came to 2d.—he put down a sixpence and my niece took it up—the prisoner went away with the puddings and 4d. in copper—my niece took the sixpence to Mr. Dale's shop—she brought it back, gave it to me, and told ma the prisoner was in Mr. Dale's shop—I went there, saw it was him, and asked him to be so good as to give me another sixpence for that—he said he had not got any more sixpences—he put his hand into his pocket and gave me the two black puddings—I said I could not take them without the change—he said he had not got any money.

ANN DADSWELL . I am niece of the last witness. I remember the prisoner coming for the black puddings—I took the sixpence which he gave, and showed it to Mrs. Dale—I brought the same sixpence back and gave it to my aunt.

MART ANN DALE . My husband is a grocer. On Saturday, 13th March, the prisoner came for half an ounce of tea; it came to 1 1/2 d.—he offered me a sixpence—Mrs. Watkins came in and said to the prisoner, "You have given me a bad sixpence"—I then looked at the sixpence the prisoner had laid on my counter—I gave it to my husband.

JAMES HENRY DALE . I am the husband of the last witness. I recollect the prisoner coming in the shop—my wife served him with some tea—I received a sixpence from my wife—I said it was counterfeit—I went round to the door to stop the prisoner—he tried to get out—I collared him, and gave him into custody with the sixpence—Dadswell showed me a counterfeit six-pence—I gave her back the same that she had put in my hand.

JOHN M'WILLIAM (policeman, S 203). I took the prisoner. I received this sixpence from Mr. Dale, and this other from Mrs. Watkins.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These are both bad, and from the same mould.

Prisoner's Defence. I took the two sixpences in selling matches.

GUILTY . Aged 64.— Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-370
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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370. ANN JONES . was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. ELLIS and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

EMMA DAVIZE . My brother keeps the Union beer house, in Spitalfields. On 26th Feb. the prisoner came and asked for a glass of warm beet—she gave me a sixpence, and I gave her 5d. change—when she was about going away my brother came in, and said, "That is the woman that gave ma a bad sixpence a short time back"—I then looked in the till where I had put the sixpence that the prisoner gave me—there was another sixpence there, which was a new one—the one the prisoner gave me was an old worn one; I had noticed that when she gave it me—I gave it to my brother—he put it to his mouth and broke it in three pieces—it was given to the constable—on 28th the prisoner came again for a glass of ale, and gave roe another sixpence—I

took it in my hand, my brother took it from me and examined it—the prisoner was then taken into custody, and the second sixpence given to the officer.

JOHN DAVIZE . I am the brother of the last witness. I went into my house on 26th Feb., and met the prisoner coming out—I spoke to my sister and she took a bad sixpence out of the till—I went out, but could not find the prisoner—I came back and broke the sixpence into three pieces—I put it in the back of the till, wrapped in a bit of paper—I afterwards gave it to the policeman—on Saturday evening, the 28th, the prisoner came again and asked for a glass of ale—she tendered a sixpence—my sister took it—I took it from her and found it was bad—I gave her into custody with the sixpence.

GEORGE LOCKYER (policeman, H 228). The prisoner was given into my custody on the 28th, and these two sixpences.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These are both counterfeit.

Prisoner's Defence. I should not have been in there, had I not been intoxicated; I did not know the sixpence was bad.

GUILTY . Aged 26.— Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-371
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown

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371. WILLIAM HARDING and WILLIAM TURNER . for a like offence.

MESSRS. ELLIS and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

CATHARINE SUSANNAH LOVETT . My mother keeps a grocer's shop at Blackwall. On 31st March the prisoner Harding came to the shop about a quarter past 8 o'clock in the evening—he asked for half an ounce of tobacco—it came to 11d.—I served him; he gave me a shilling—the prisoner Turner had come in before that; he had half an ounce of tobacco, paid me 1 1/2 d. and went out—I thought the shilling Harding gave me was good—I put it in the till and gave him change, a sixpence, and 4 1/2 d. in copper—he gave me back the sixpence, and said he would rather have halfpence—I put the sixpence back into the till; I did not notice whether it was the same I had given him or not—my mother came in—she looked in the till and found a bad shilling; it was the only shilling there—no person had been to the till after Harding left until my mother went—I had neither taken any money nor given any—we also found a bad sixpence in the till—it was not the one I had given Harding in change—I remember giving him a George the Third sixpence, and the one we found in the till was one that had the word "Sixpence" on it, one of Victoria—we could not find any other sixpence in the till—Mr. Martin came in and made some inquiry—my mother gave the sixpence and shilling to the officer.

JOSEPH MARTIN . I keep the Trinity Arms, Blackwall. On Wednesday night, 31st March, Harding came for some gin—he gave me a sixpence—I heard it fall on the floor, and said, "That won't do for me"—I took it, broke it, and threw it at him—he then gave me a good sixpence, which he said he got from the baker's shop—I spoke to a person in my parlour and sent to the police station—Mr. Steward went after Harding.

WILLIAM STEWARD . I am a grocer, in Poplar. Harding was pointed out to me—I went to the back of the Trinity Arms, and saw the two prisoners standing—I heard some coppers pass between them—I saw Harding secured—he turned up his smockfrock, and two or three sixpences fell—I saw the policeman pick up one—there was a great mob round, and the others were gone.

JEREMIAH NORTON (policeman, K 139). I received in from Mr. Martin—I went to Mrs. Lovett's, and received this shilling and sixpence—I went with Mr. Martin into Poplar after the prisoners—I took Harding in a public house—he turned out his pockets, and a quantity of coin dropped; I

picked up one sixpence—I found on him this bad sixpence and 20d. in copper.

JAMES WHITING (policeman, K 424). I took Turner—he said he knew nothing about it—I found 11 1/2 d. in copper on him, but no bad money.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This shilling that was uttered is bad, and the six-pence also—this sixpence found on Harding is bad—this sixpence that was picked up is bad, and from the same mould as the one that was uttered.

Harding's Defence. I sold my coat for 4s. that day, being out of employ; I had three sixpences; I know nothing of any being bad; I paid for the tobacco with 1 1/2 d.

HARDING— GUILTY . Aged 26.— Confined Twelve Months.


5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-372
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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372. MARY ANN DENT . for a like offence.

MESSRS. ELLIS and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES HENDERSON . I am shopman to an oilman, in Star-street. On 26th Feb. the prisoner came for a quarter of a pound of 4d. soap—she threw me down a shilling—I put it between my teeth and bent it—I immediately sent for a constable and gave the prisoner in charge with the shilling—I said to the prisoner, "This is the second time I have caught you; I will not let you go this time"—she made no answer—I had seen her about a week before.

Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. Did you ever say a word about what you said to her, or she to you, before? A. No.

GEORGE BASHFORD . I was an officer. I was sent for on 26th Feb.—I received the prisoner and this shilling—she feigned to be drunk—she was taken before a Magistrate on the following day, and there being no other charge against her she was discharged.

Cross-examined. Q. That was after Henderson had made a statement to you? A. Yes; I went with the prisoner to the station—she was searched by a female—the prisoner was sick in the station, but I believe it was from swallowing a piece of money—I felt a piece in her mouth, and she bit my finger—I saw her make an effort to swallow a piece, and I put my finger in her mouth directly—I did not have hold of a piece; I touched it with my finger—I cannot say what it was—I put one finger in her mouth first—I expected to scoop the shilling out of her mouth—I produce the shilling that she uttered—I marked it, and have kept it locked up.

EDWARD WALLACE . I keep an oil shop, in Carey-street. On 4th March the prisoner came and asked for a quarter of a pound of 4d. soap, and gave me a shilling—I tried it, told her it was bad, and gave her into custody—the said she did not know it was bad.

WILLIAM WHITE (policeman, F 88). I took the prisoner on 4th March; I received from Mr. Wallace this shilling.

Cross-examined. Q. Has this been in your possession ever since? A. Yes.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These are both bad.

GUILTY . Aged 24.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury.— Confined Four Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-373
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation; Guilty > with recommendation

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373. CARLO ANTONIO GRIMALDI . and LUIGI LE GUARDIA . feloniously having in their custody a die, on which was impressed the reverse side of a half sovereign.

MESSRS. BODKIN and CLARK conducted the Prosecution.

(The evidence was explained to the prisoners by an interpreter.)

HENRY AUGUSTUS CONQUEST . I am an engraver, and live at 47, Holywell-street, Strand. On 10th Jan. the prisoner Grimaldi came to my house in the middle of the day—he rang my bell—I went down to him—he asked me at the door whether I could engrave a medal die—he spoke broken English, that it was rather difficult to understand—he showed me a medal, which from the glance I had of it I thought was a foreign coin—he followed me up stairs into my workshop—he produced a half sovereign—I took it up and examined it—I found it was bad—he stated that he wished me to engrave the reverse side of that, pointing to the half sovereign in his hand—I said I could do it—he wanted the milled edge done—I said "That is a bad half sovereign"—he produced another half sovereign, saying that the edge was better on that—that was a good one—I said I could do the edge—I asked him what he wished to have the half sovereign engraved for, and he said it was for an exhibition in Italy—it was to be done in twelve days—I said I should want 25s. for the engraving—he said he would give me 23s.—I agreed to do it for that sum—I did not know his name at that time—I asked him his name and address, and he said it was no consequence, he would call for it in twelve days—he did not give any card, or name, or address at that time—he left the half sovereign with me as a deposit—after he had gone, I made a communication to Bow-street office—on 14th Jan. Grimaldi called again, to know how I was progressing—he did not see it—the die was in progress—he came again on 14th Feb., between 6 and 7 o'clock in the evening—I saw him—he said he had got lots of work for me—I had the die in my workshop—I showed it him—he took it in his hand—he did not like it in the first instance—he looked at it, examined it, and seemed very much hurt that it was not done better, but I stated it was not finished, at which he seemed pleased, and he wanted to know when it would be done—at the time he examined it he had a half sovereign in his hand, not the one he had left with me, but one he took from his pocket—at the time he was looking at the die he was looking at the half sovereign—I said it would be completed on the Monday following—he said he had lots of work for me—he held up his hand in this way (with the fingers extended) meaning, as I understood, that he wanted five dies—the side I was doing on that occasion was the reverse side of the half sovereign, and he said he wanted me to do the head part—he took the half sovereign from his pocket, and pointed to the head part—I pointed to the head, and he said, "Yes, yes, yes!" nothing was said on that occasion about the cost of the head part—he called again on Monday, the 23rd—I had the die all ready for him—I sent my brother down stairs to open the door for him—he came into my room—I showed him the die—he seemed very much pleased with it—I had a white wax impression taken of it, which he examined, and seemed very much pleased—he looked at the rim of the die, and compared it with the half sovereign he had—he wanted to know what the expense was—I made out the amount—the amount for the die and the rim was 2l. 3s.—he made some difficulty about that—he paid me 2l. 1s., and the other 2s. were left to be paid—he gave me an address and name, and took away the die—but before that he wanted to know what would be the expense of the head part—I told him that would come to a great deal more than the other part, being more difficult—he asked how much—I told him three guineas and a half—he made a great demur about that, and thought it a great deal of money—this is the die and collar that he took away on 23rd Feb.—I wrapped it in a paper, and

sealed it with red—he was to call in a day or two to have the other part done.

Cross-examined by MR. COOPER. Q. You are pretty well known as an engraver where you live? A. Yes; I never saw Grimaldi before—he spoke in broken English—I cannot exactly recollect what he said when he meant the head part, "Another die, the other part"—I had a great deal of difficulty to understand what he meant—he put the half sovereign in the die, and said, "There, there, there!"—I made him understand there must be another die to do the other side—he said, "Yea, yea, yea!"—I understood what be meant by the signs he made.

Grimaldi. I said I wanted it for the Exhibition; I wanted a model representing the Exhibition on one side: I did not ask you to make the face of the half sovereign. Witness. Yes, he positively did.

MR. CLERK Q. Was anything said about your engraving the Exhibition on one part of the die? A. No, not on any occasion—the only time when Exhibition was mentioned was when he said he wanted it for the Exhibition in Italy—at the time there was conversation about engraving the head, Grimaldi pointed to the head side of the half sovereign.

COURT. Q. Before he took it away he had seen it more than once? A. He had; it had the engraving on it then, it was, the reverse side of a half sovereign—he did not say anything to me about engraving the Exhibition on it.

WILLIAM THOMAS (policeman, F 110). In consequence of directions I received, I was watching the house, 47, Holy well-street, on 23rd Feb. I saw the prisoner Grimaldi in the private door of No. 47—he left, and I followed him to the bottom of Holywell-street, to Picket-street, where he joined the other prisoner, who was waiting at the bottom—when they joined, I saw Grimaldi pass a small paper parcel to Le Guardia—I could not see where Le Guardia placed it, because he had a large cloak on—they separated, and went the same way, up Clement's-lane, and then separated, one went up Exeter-street, the other, the other way—I sent an officer after Le Guardia, and I took Grimaldi—I told him I was an officer—he said, "Me no comprehend"—I took him to Bow-street—Le Guardia was there about half a minute before Grimaldi got in—I searched Le Guardia—he dropped the paper which contained this die and collar—I showed Le Guardia the die—he shook his head—I found a pocket-book on Grimaldi—I had been watching the house in Holywell-street nearly six weeks—I had seen Le Guardia on llth Feb. at the bottom of Holywell-street, within a few doors of No. 47—I saw Grimaldi at No. 47 at the same time—I saw the prisoners in company that day—after Grimaldi had left 47, Holywell-street, they walked in company together as far as Southampton-street, Strand—they there separated, and I followed Grimaldi to the house he lived in.

Cross-examined. Q. You know that foreigners resort and live a great deal together? A. Yes; it was in the middle of the day I saw them.

LOUISA COXHEAD . I live at 3, Queen-street, Golden-square. The prisoners occupied a room in my house from, the beginning of Nov. till 23rd Feb.—they came together, and occupied the same room—they paid 6s. A week—sometimes one of them paid, and sometimes the other.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you know their occupation? A. No; I understood one was a priest—I do not know what the other was.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This is the reverse side of a die for a half sovereign—this other part is a collar—it would be necessary to have another die for the obverse side to make a complete coin.

The statement made by Le Guardia was here read—"I did not drop the parcel at the station; I saw it there, but I did not know what it was."

(Le Guardia received a good character.)


Recommended to mercy by the Jury. Confined Two Years.


THIRD COURT.—Tuesday, April 6th, 1852.


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JOHN WILLIAMS . I am an ironmonger, of Northumberland-alley, Fen-church-street. On Saturday night, 20th March, I was on my way home, about half past 12 o'clock, and saw the prisoner opposite the East India warehouses, about thirty yards from my house—she ran up against me, as though determined to make me stop and have some conversation with her—I did not stop, and when I arrived at my own door I gave her a shilling to get rid of her—when I took my latch-key out she endeavoured to embrace me, and then suddenly ran off—I found my money was gone, and immediately took hold of her and held her—I charged her with taking the money from my pocket, and she said she had not got it—I had taken the shilling I gave her from my waistcoat-pocket, and it was from the same pocket I lost the money—I told her I would take her to the station, and she then gave me 1l. 2s., saying that was all she had got—I took her to the station, and gave her in charge—I was sober.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. How far from your own house did you meet her? A. About thirty yards—I went up Northumberland-alley, where the entrance to my house is—I did not remain in the court a minute—nothing happened between me and the prisoner—I was quite sober—I had had two glasses of whiskey and water, one in a private house and one in a public-house—my money was loose in my waistcoat-pocket.

THEODORE FULGER (City-policeman, 568). I was on duty outside the Fenehurch station, and was called in to take the prisoner—I took her to the Bow-lane station, where she was searched by the female searcher, who afterwards produced to me two sixpences, a 4d. piece, and a halfpenny—she is not here.

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EMMA SUSANNA SOLITA . I am the wife of Felice Ludovico Solita, of Mansion-house-place, Camberwell. On 12th March I was in Bridge-street, Blackfriars, about 5 o'clock in the afternoon—I was walking along—two boys were wrestling together, and I could not pass, as one threw the other across the pavement—in turning round to go near the railings I was immediately surrounded and pinioned by five or six boys, and the prisoner put his hand in my pocket while I was so pinioned, and took oat my parse, which contained 5s. 4d., or rather more—I did not know him before—I am sure he is the boy—I did not lose sight of him—they held me for a moment to give him a chance of escape, but still I pursued him, and never lost sight of him—he was captured by two persons at the bottom of the next street—that was only a few minutes after my purse had been taken—I had not lost sight of him at all—I was not used with violence, except being kept against the railing.

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REBECCA AUSTIN . I live at 18, Little Trinity-lane. On the evening of 12th March I was in Bridge-street—I saw three young men surround the prosecutrix, and pinion her by her back against the railing, while the prisoner put his hand into her pocket, and delivered a small blue purse to a man who I think was pitted with the small-pox—I ran across the road to try and chase the man who had the purse, but a dray passing prevented my doing so—I saw the prisoner run, and the prosecutrix after him—I am quite sore he is the person.

Prisoner. Q. Did you see me take the purse? A. I saw your hand deliver it to the man with the small-pox; at least there were three running across the road, and I could not distinctly say that the one with the small-pox had it—I did not say at the station that I did not know what became of the purse.

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you want? I said "Nothing;" the lady came up and said, "I think that is him," and they took me, and said I bad the purse in my pocket.

GUILTY of robbery without violence.

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FREDERICK HALE THOMSON . I am a surgeon by profession, and have for some years carried on an extensive business—I now carry on a business in Berners-street, connected with the silvering of glass—I have carried it on since the autumn of 1848—in 1849 I formed a partnership with Mr. Varnish and Mr. Cookney—that partnership ended in May, 1851—in the autumn of 1849 I engaged the prisoner Mellish—he was recommended to me by Mr. Powell, of the Whitefriars Glass-works—I knew nothing myself of the cutting or engraving of glass, I never had anything to do with it—I sent for Mellish, and he called on me—I told him that having a process for silvering glass, I wished to obtain the assistance of some individual who could superintend at the glass house the making of the different specimens of the glass that I wished to apply the silvering process to—he seemed very willing to undertake the conduct of the matter, and agreed to go down to the glass house for me, and to carry out any suggestion I could desire, it was necessary I should have a person on the spot with the workmen, as I could not go myself, and he agreed to do so at the rate of six guineas a week—the engagement we entered into was ultimately reduced to writing—this (produced) is it—(Mr. James Cookney having proved his attestation to this agreement, it was read, it was dated 26th Dec, 1849, and was between Messrs. Thomson and Varnish, and Thomas Robert Mellish, by which Mellish was engaged at a salary of six guineas per week, so long as he employed himself in the business eight hours per day)—I did not understand anything at all as to the rate of wages that were to be paid—I hired Mellish entirely to conduct that part of the business—he told me he had been accustomed to regulate the wages for a long period, and that he perfectly understood it, and that he would do so on ray behalf—he then entered into ray service—he required that he should have the sole control of the hiring the men, of their rate of wages, and that he should keep their accounts entirely, and that I should in nowise interfere either with the hiring or discharging them—I never knew what the rate of wages agreed upon was, I did not know many of the men by sight—he had an office in which he had a double desk, through which office every workman had to pass who came to work on the premises—he occupied that desk for the first few weeks, or I think for some months, himself; and he eventually had a clerk—that clerk was the prisoner Douglas—I did not engage Douglas, Mellish engaged him—he told me that he knew a very clever clerk in Birmingham, whom he had known all his life, and whom he could rely upon, and he would send for him—after he had done so, he told me who he was—I knew nothing about him before—I allowed him to hire a clerk—after Douglas was hired, he and Mellish occupied the double desk—I believe Douglas at first had between 25s. and 30s. a week, and I think Mellish afterwards rose them to 35s.—Mellish fixed them and rose them—some time after Douglas came, an adjoining room was fitted up for Mellish, and called his own private room, where the accounts and vouchers were always kept by him—he had boxes for that, purpose—amongst the workmen engaged by

Mellish there were a class called glass-cutters and mounters—they worked on the premises—there were also several out-door workmen engaged—they did their work out of doors, and were paid their wages by Mellish at the factory—he delivered their work out from the factory, and regulated the price paid for it—he received it back again himself, and inspected it—there was a wages book kept from the time of Douglas coming as clerk—this is it (produced)—it is in Douglas's writing—it contains the names of the men that Mellish hired, the days on which they attended, and the number of hours they attended—at the end of the week the number of hours were added up by Douglas, and entered in another column, and the amount they had earned was put—this book laid always on the desk of Mellish, and was in his custody—it was his duty to ascertain the correctness of the amounts charged in this book, and he always quoted it to me as a proof of the cheapness with which he got the work done—he referred to it in that way—this hook had, once a week, to be taken to Mr. Dean, the cashier, and if Mr. Dean was satisfied, he would have to give the moneys for the amount—at the end of each week, every man's name being down here, and the number of hours he had worked, the sum due to each man was put down in the column, that was added up, and every Saturday they were paid—the men received some on the Wednesday, but on Saturday the whole was paid, and Mellish sent for 40l., 50l., or 60l., as he wanted it—I have repeatedly heard from Mellish that that was the mode in which the business was done—I knew generally what the course of business was with reference to this book—I knew from Mellish.

COURT. Q. Did you arrange with Mellish what the course of business should be? A. I understood that he superintended the wages book—the men were paid weekly under his direction, and whatever was wanted at the end of the week he instructed Douglas, and between them they got the money from Mr. Dean, and paid the men; that was entirely, as I understood, under Mr. Mellish's direction—I was daily at the office where this book was kept.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Have you seen this book on Mellish's desk? A. Oh, yes! fifty times at least; time out of mind: I have seen it open—I have seen Mellish sit at this book with his pencil in his hand, going over it, over and over again—I did not give Mellish any particular instructions with reference to it; it was his own book, and he managed it in his own way—I did not* know of any double vouchers being kept, until I detected these frauds—Mellish was entirely answerable for the accounts of the workmen—he had the sole control over it; nobody else had anything at all to do with it.

Q. Did you, at different times, speak to him about how the business was going on? A. After some months had elapsed, I found a very great expenditure was taking place—I repeatedly spoke to him on the subject, and he always told me that if I would wait until the Exhibition opened, it would be proved that he had expended the money properly, and it would be all right; that there was no doubt at all about his management if I would only give him time—that was what I was always told by him—I discovered these frauds in consequence of receiving a private letter—I made an investigation, and the result was that Douglas was given into custody—the boxes in Mellish's private room were searched, and a great many papers were found there—after examining them Mellish was given into custody, and was ultimately committed and tried with Douglas, who at that time pleaded "Not Guilty."

Cross-examined by MR. MONTAGUE CHAMBERS. Q. I believe Mellish was let out on bail, was he not, once or twice? A. I believe he was; I think at

the time Mellish entered my service I was in partnership with Mr. Varnish and Mr. Cookney—I believe Mr. Varnish attended to the commercial part of the business, and to the accounts until Mellish came—Dean came into my service as accountant in the spring of 1850—up to that time Mr. Varnish had attended to the accounts—Mr. Varnish was examined at the last trial, I believe on the part of the prosecution; I was in Court and heard him examined—I saw him here just now—I am not aware that I knew Mellish at all before he was recommended by Mr. Powell, but I am not sure whether Mr. Lund, of Cornhill, about the same time, did not introduce him; which had the precedence I do not recollect—I had been trying experiments in the silvering of glass twelve months before I knew him—I tried some experiments afterwards—I had no dispute with him before he went away—I took out a patent conjointly with him—when the patent was taken out, it was understood that Mellish was to give up the patent to me for a consideration, and that was never carried out; he on two occasions refused to do it—he refused to sign an agreement which Mr. Cookney prepared—I am not aware of more than one—that was about six weeks or a month before he left my service—when Mellish came into my service he had premises of his own in Great Portland-street—I am not prepared to state whether he carried on my work there—I believe he did not carry on any work there on my account—I have been to his workshop in Great Portland-street when I first knew him—the workshops were not kept at his own place in Great Portland-street for many months; on the contrary, as soon as I knew him he had works put up on our premises—they were put up immediately Mellish came there—Mr. Varnish used not to attend to this more than me—a number of Mellish's tools and men were removed from Great Portland-street, I believe immediately we got to Berners-street, as soon as the shop was erected; it was not more than a few weeks—he was to go to Mr. Powell's glass works to superintend the preparation of the glass for silvering—that continued all the time he was in my service—every evening, at 8 o'clock, he was supposed to go down there to superintend the workmen—that would take him an hour, or an hour and a half—I have been there myself occasionally—I do not know how long it would take him; as soon as the pattern is made, I suppose the work is done—I suppose there might be twenty or thirty workmen under him, and sometimes, I believe, as many as forty—the arrangement with me was, that he was to relinquish his own business in Great Portland-street when he came to me—how far he carried that out I never understood—he had the general superintendence of the workmen on the premises, as well as the out-door workmen—after some time I established a shop in Regent-street for the sale of these articles—it was arranged that Mrs. Mellish should go there, with a relative of hers to assist, or a person whom she knew—it was one of the stipulations that Mellish should go and live there—it was principally at his suggestion that the shop was taken—it was carried on, I think, in Mrs. Mellish's name; Mr. Varnish principally arranged that—I had nothing to do with the taking of it, but I did not object to it—Mrs. Mellish was there twelve or eighteen months, up to the time of Mellish leaving in May—she was not paid anything in money for her services; it was understood that she was to have the house, and candles and coals, rent free—Mr. Varnish made the arrangement—the goods were invoiced to her—when they left, Mr. Varnish settled with them—I have been in considerable practice—when I commenced this business I resigned Westminster Hospital, where I was one of the principal surgeons, and I relinquished a great portion of my practice to attend to this—I still carried on my practice, but in a very limited manner—I

know that while Mellish was in my service he went twice to Paris with Mr. Varnish—he also went to Birmingham and to York, at the banquet, to superintend some things that I had sent there—that was, I think, somewhere in Oct. or Nov., 1850—I do not recollect attending him on one occasion when he had met with an accident to his leg; I do not recollect any accident—I do not recollect attending him for anything at all serious—I did not live it the premises in Berners-street—I live about four miles from town—I do not know whether Mr. Varnish has come among my witnesses to-day—he has received no communication from me—I have seen him here.

WILLIAM SUTTIE . I am a glass cutter, and live at 9, Duke-street, Lincoln's-inn-fields. I know Mr. Mellish—I worked for him when he was in business on his own account at Pimlico—that was a long time ago—he told me, when I worked for him in Portland-street, that I was to go to see him at Mr. Thomson's—I cannot say when that was, I never kept any account; it might be two years ago—I went, and agreed with him for the price of my work—I cannot state at what part of the year I first began—Douglas was not there when I first went, or when I arranged the price—the first time that anything was said to me about the two accounts was by Mr. Thompson, after Douglas was taken into custody—I see my signature to this bill of 22nd Feb., 1851 (looking at it)—I did that work, and this is the amount I received—I suppose I must have received it on that day—I always received my money on a Saturday—on that Saturday I received 15s. 4d.—I cannot say whether Douglas or Mellish paid it me—I cannot say whether they were both present—these are the prices that I agreed for with Mellish—this other account (produced) is not my writing—this purports to be for 1l. 15s. 4d. and bears date 22nd Feb., the same as the other—I receipted both this and the other—when I signed this second one it was only for 15s. 4d.; the 1l. has been added since—I do not know these initials (these two accounts were marked "A")—these three (marked "B") all bear my signature—I receivesd 9s. on that occasion—they bear date 15th Feb., 1851—one of these purports to be for 1l. 19s.—it was for 1l. 19s. when I signed it, and the reason of that was that Mr. Douglas, when I went there a fortnight after, said, "Suttie, I have lost one of your bills, it was for 1l. 19s., I think, I won't be sure; I will make it out, and you sign it," and I signed it—these others are my two hills that I made out—I do not believe Mr. Mellish was present when I signed the one for 1l. 19s.—the initials at the corner were not on it when I signed it—these two bills (marked "C"), dated 12th Oct, 1850, both bear my signature; one purports to amount to 1l. 2s. 8d., and the other to 1l. 12s. 8d.—there has been a"9" altered—that was made out in the same way as the last; it was made out for 1l. 2s. 8d.—I cannot say whether I gave two accounts then—I did not give two accounts, I believe, until Douglas came—I believe he had come at that time—I always gave two accounts after Douglas came—when I signed the receipt that now purports to be for 1l. 12s. 8d., it was for 1l. 2s. 8d. only.

COURT. Q. That is, the first you signed was for 1l. 2s. 8d., and then the second you signed at Douglas's desire for 1l. 12s. 8d.? A. Yes.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. I thought you said, just now, it was for 1l. 2s. 8d. when you signed it? A. Yes; 1l. 2s. 8d.—did not deliver them both together at Douglas's desire—this was made out in the same way as before—when I went there for work he said he had lost one of my bills, and got me to sign this—this is the first time I have given this explanation—this one for 1l. 12s. 8d. has not been altered—it was for 1l. 12s. 8d. when I signed it—I signed two bills for 1l. 2s. 8d., and then some time, after Douglas said he

had lost one, and got me to sign this one for 1l. 12s. 8d.—I did not know the exact amount I had received—I do not know how long afterwards that was; do you suppose I carry the day of the month in my pocket?—this bill for 1l. 12s. 8d. is not my writing; it is one that was made out since I received my money—I was asked to sign it—on 7th Sept., 1850, I received 15s.—these two bills (marked "D") bear my signature—one is for 15s.—that is my writing; the other is for 2l. 15s.—that is not my writing—I cannot say whose it is—I believe it is Mr. Douglas's—I signed it—that was also one that Douglas brought to me, as he had lost one of my receipts—these bills of 14th Sept. (marked "E") both have my signature; one is for 1l. 2s. 4d., and the other for 1l. 10s. 10d.—I made out the bill for 1l. 2s. 4d., but it is put down here 1l. 10d.—I do not know whether any deduction was made—this is not my figuring—I received 1l. 2s. 4d. on that occasion; I am sure of that—these are both my handwriting, the receipt and the body too, all except the figures that have been altered—these two of 24th Aug., 1850 (marked "F"), are both in my writing—one is for 13s. 8d., and the other for 2l. 13s. 8d.—I only received 13s. 8d.—those of 17th Aug. (marked "G") are both my writing—one is for 1l. 7s. 4d., and the other for 1l. 17s. 4d.; that has been altered from 1l. 7s. 4d. to 1l. 17s. 4d.—one of these accounts of 10th Aug. (marked "H") is my writing—it is for 10s. 6d.—this other is for 2l. 10s. 6d.—there are some initials to it—I received 10s. 6d. on that occasion—this has been one of the lost bills again—it is like the rest; it was brought to me to sign, as one had been lost—it is not my writing, only the signature—I cannot say bow long after 10th Aug. I was asked to sign this, it may have been three or four weeks.

COURT. Q. Could you possibly make such a mistake as to think you bad received 2l. 10s. 6d. when you had only received 10s. 6d.? A. When I used to go in I used to be taken so sudden, he would say, "Suttie, what did you receive on so and so?" "I can't say, exactly"—"I think it was so and so, just put your name to that?" which I would do, and scarcely look at it.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Did you afford this explanation to Mr. Wakeling, the attorney for the prosecution? A. Yes, I did—when I was asked if I had received the money, I said no I had not—I cannot say that I explained to him that Douglas bad asked me to sign another account some weeks after.

Cross-examined by MR. BODKIN. Q. Did Mr. Wakeling ask you any question on that subject? A. No, he only asked me if it was my handwriting, and I told him no—he produced the accounts to me, and had the opportunity of seeing that these were in another person's handwriting—he did not ask me to explain that in any way—he showed me the bills, and I told him they were not my handwriting—some of these are both in my handwriting—I know nothing about when the alteration was made in those that are in my writing—I cannot tell in whose writing those are which are not mine—I have seen Douglas write, but could not swear to his handwriting—I have never sat alongside of him, only stood by him, and cannot tell his handwriting—those that are not written by me were produced to me by Douglas when I went to inquire for work—I had given two papers originally in my own handwriting—one contained the total amount only, and the other the things I had done—no one could tell, from the total amount only, what the work was that was done—no one could tell what the work was without seeing the detailed account—this system of making out two accounts did not go on all the time I worked there, only since Mr. Douglas came—when Mr. Mellish paid me, there was nothing of the kind—after Mr. Douglas came, it was arranged for us to make out two bills—I cannot say whether it

was Douglas or Mr. Mellish who gave me the orders to make out the two bills—Mr. Thompson did not interfere at all in the matter—I had worked for Mr. Mellish, at Pimlico, before he went to Great Portland-street—I cannot say whether any of Mr. Thomson's work was done at Great Portland-street—I do not know that there Was—I was an out-door workman, and was paid by the piece—hours and time of working had nothing to do with my work, nor with any of the out-door men.

WILLIAM BENSON LEE . I am an engraver on glass. I know the prisoner Mellish—I was engaged by him at Berners-street to do work off the premises—I brought home the work and got paid—one of these two bills, dated 9th July, 1850 (marked "I") is my writing, and the other has my signature but is Douglas's writing—the one in my writing is for 8s., and the other, 2l. 18s., when T signed it, it was for 8s. only—this bill, of 27th July, for 10s., is my writing (marked "J")—that is the amount of the work I did, and what I was paid—this other bill is in Douglas's writing, and signed by me—when I signed it, it was for 10s., it has been altered to 2l. 10s.—that alteration is in Douglas's writing.

COURT. Q. That is in figures, I suppose? A. Yes; I do not know his handwriting well enough to know a figure of his—I do not know who might have altered it—I know he put the 10s., but who put the 2l. I do not know.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Here is one of 30th July (marked "K"), does that appear to be altered from 8s. to 2l. 18s.? A. Yes; one of these it my writing, and the signature to the other, the amount has been altered since I signed it—this other (marked "L") of 17th Aug., appears to have been altered from 1l. to 4l. 10s.; and this of 14th Sept. (marked "M") has been altered from 1l. to 4l. 10s. since I signed it—I gave two receipts in all these instances, because I was asked to do so—Douglas wrote them, but, Mr. Mellish told him to write them.

Q. Did Mr. Mellish say anything to you about making out two receipts at any time? A. No more than saying, "We always require two bills"—he said that to me—he did not say what for—when I have written two, one has been sometimes destroyed, and the another one written—I used to take two sometimes, because I thought it was the system of the house—both the bills I took contained the items, one of them they destroyed, and wrote another, which did not contain the items.

Cross-examined by MR. CHAMBERS. Q. Did Mr. Mellish give you directions to make out two bills? A. He said he always required two bills—I cannot say when it was that be gave me those directions, it is so long ago—I did not work there before Douglas came, it was whilst Douglas was there—it was on the first job I did—I took in one bill with all the items, and Douglas wrote another, with the sum total only, which I signed—he said, "We require two bills," and next time I went I took two—I cannot recollect when that was—there was only one other bill besides these—that was not altered, it was for 8s., and that was the whole of the transactions that I had with the firm—the first transaction was 8s., but I cannot tax my memory with the time, it is so long since—on all the occasions but one I signed the bills in Mellish's presence, and that one was the last—I did so the first time—when I took my work home Mellish examined it, to see whether it was right—Douglas did not write out the short bill till be paid me, and then I signed it—the bill of 17th Aug., "Five goblets engraved, 4s.," is an item bill, the other is simply "engraving"—Mellish examined the goblets to see that they were properly done, and then Douglas made out the bill for engraving, and the sum total, and I signed it—I took the item-bill with the

receipt ready written—that was my course, and then upon Douglas presenting the other bill in his own handwriting, I signed that and gave it him—when I went the second time, I took two bills made out alike, with the items—Douglas tore up one of them, and wrote another, and I never took but one after that—Meilish was rather particular as to the nature of the work that was done—on the last occasion my work was found fault with, and I never went any more—I had worked for Meilish when he lived in Pimlico—I did several little jobs for him fourteen or fifteen years ago, amounting only to a few shillings, and I had known him before that—I cannot tax my memory with Douglas's handwriting.

WILLIAM ROLFE . I am a glass cutter. I have known the prisoner Mellish for many years—I worked for Mr. Mordan when he was there—I was employed for Messrs. Thomson and Co.—my signature is to both these accounts of 12th Oct. 1850 (marked "N")—I presume I received 11s. on that occasion, though 9s. only is put down here in the bill that I made out; twelve dozen of stoppers, at 8d., is 8s., and four bottles, at 9d., is 3s.; 8s. and 3s. are 11s., but here is only 9s.—this second account is for 1l. 19s.—I did not receive that amount, 9s. is what I received—only one of these accounts is my writing, but the "William Rolfe, paid" on the other one, I believe to be my signature—when I signed that it was certainly only for 9s.—I should say one of these bills of 18th Oct. (marked "O") is my writing, and the other not—the whole of this for 1l. 8s. 4d., is mine—that is what I received—the other, which also bears my signature, is for 4l. 18s. 4d.—both these accounts of 26th Oct. (marked "P") bear my signature—I received 1l. 5s. on that occasion—this bill, which purports to be 1l. 15s., has been altered—I see these accounts of 26th July, 1850 (marked "Q"), I should say that I received 11s. 6d. on that occasion; one account is for 11s. 6d., and the other for 2l. 11s. 6d., that was only for 11s. 6d. when I signed it—on 3rd Aug., 1850, I received 16s. 10d. for my work—the signature to both these accounts (marked "R") is mine, one is for 2l. 16s. 10d. and the other for 16s. 10d.—they were both for 16s. 10d. when I signed them—both these accounts of 8th Nov., 1850 (marked "S") bear my signature, one is for 1l. 1s., and the other for 4l. 17s.—that was only for 1l. 1s. when I signed it—the body of that one is not my writing, I do not know whose it is—on 7th Dec, 1850, I received 13s. for my work, and signed both these papers (marked "T") they were both for 13s. when I signed them, one has been altered to 4l. 13s.—on 17th Dec. I received 9s. for my work, and signed these two bills for that amount (marked "U")—I did not sign a third bill for 9s.—here is a third bill, purporting to be for 2l. 19s., and the word "Paid" written—that does not appear to be at all like my writing, it seems quite different—I do not think it is my writing—I did not receive 2l. 19s. on 17th Dec., because a gross of stoppers amounts to 9s.—on 4th Jan., 1851, I received 1l. 10s. 8d., here are two accounts (marked "F"), one for 1l. 10s. 8s., and the other for 4l. 10s. 8d., I did not receive more than 1l. 10s. 8d.—this has been altered to 4l. 10s. 8d. since I signed it—on 18th Jan. 1850, I received 18s., and signed these two papers (marked "W"), one of them purports to be for 2l., 18s., it was only for 18s. when I signed it—Mellish was present in one or two instances when I was paid for my weekly work—I should say not above three times during the time I worked there.

THOMAS HARRIS . In December, 1850, I worked for Messrs. Thomson and Varnish, as a glass stainer. This bill (marked "X") is in my writing—it is for 14s. 1d.—it is made up of two items of 10s. 4d. and 3s. 9d.—that was

a dozen articles that I had oat to do which there was a dispute about—it is not signed—Mellish was present at the time I delivered that bill, and Douglas made an alteration in the bill in his presence—he put down the punting, which came to 3s. 9d.; that made the bill 14s. 1d., which I received in Mellish's presence—this second account, for 3l. 14s. 1d., with the initials "T. R. M." to it, I cannot say anything at all about—it is not my writing—it bears my signature—it was only for 14s. 1d. when I signed it—it has been altered since.

Cross-examined by MR. CHAMBERS. Q. As soon as you had signed this for 14s. 1d. did you see Mellish put his initials "T. R. M.?" A. Well, I cannot recollect—he might sign bills, and I not notice—I cannot say that I took home anything on that day, or what I took—I know there was some dispute at the time, and Mr. Douglas would not pay me the odd 3s. 9d., and he referred to Mr. Mellish, and Mr. Mellish said, "Well, if he demands it, pay him," and he paid me—Douglas wrote out this bill, and I signed it.

Q. Did you see whether, as soon as you signed it, Douglas handed it to Mellish to put his initials on? A. Generally when I signed the bills Douglas used to pass them into the desk, and I saw no more of then, whether they were signed by Mellish or not—I cannot say whether he passed it to Mellish immediately, to put his initials—he was generally in the habit of passing them into the desk—Mellish was not at the desk—he was si the other end of the room, at the side of the large table by the window—sometimes he was there and sometimes at the desk—Douglas was at the desk, I believe, and Mellish at the table, and he spoke across to him, I believe, and then Mellish said, "If he demands it, pay him,"

CHARLES HUNT . I am a gilder, of Suffolk-street, St. James's. I did work for Varnish and Co., of Berners-street—I had worked for Mellish when he was carrying on business for himself—he sent me the work—this account for 17s. is in my writing (marked "Y")—it is not receipted—this other account for 17s., due on 26th Oct. for work from Varnish and Co., is receipted "Paid, Charles Hunt," in my son's writing.

CHARLES HUNT, JUN . This "Paid, Charles Hunt," on this paper is in my writing—I received 17s. on that occasion, not 3l. 17s., which this bill purports to be for—I took the bill with me for 17s.—I cannot recollect who wrote out the paper—I am quite sure I only received 17s.

CHARLES HUNT re-examined. On 21st Dec, 2l. 6s. 10d., was due to me from the firm—this is my bill for the amount, but it is now 2l. 16s. 10d. (marked "Z")—the "I" has been put since I made it out—I sent my son to receive it—he always brought me the sum I sent for—he brought me 2l. 6s. 10d. on this occasion.

Cross-examined by Mr. Chambers. Q. Have you got your book? A. Yes (produced)—it will correspond—it is the book that my son sent up with the bills.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was this other account of 1l. 2s. 2d. (marked "A.") for work done due to you on 25th Jan.? A. Yes, it is in my writing, but the receipted bill is now 1l. 2s. 2d.—I only received 1l. 2s. 2d.—I do not know on 8th Feb. 1851, there was 3s. 6d. due to me for work—this is my account (produced)—it is not receipted—this other account is not signed by me—it is for 3l. 13s. 6d. (marked "B. B")

CHARLES HUNT, JUN . re-examined. I do not recollect what sum of money I received when I signed this paper for 2l. 6s. 10d.—this receipt for 1l. 2s. 2d. does not look much like my writing—I have no recollection on the subject;

this "Paid, Charles Hunt," on the receipt for 3s. 6d. is my writing—I received 3s. 6d., not 3l. 13s. 6d.

F. H. THOMPSON re-examined. I have repeatedly had opportunities of seeing Mellish write, and am able to form an opinion as to the character of his handwriting—the initials "T. R. M." to this account marked "A" for 1l. 15s. 4d. are in Mellish's writing, also the initials "T. R. M." to these (looking at the larger amounts marked "B, C, E, F, G, H, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z, and B B.")

Cross-examined by MR. CHAMBERS. Q. There are some receipts, I think, without the initials of Mr. Mellish, are there not? A. I believe so—I have looked through them all, over and over again—there are several—many of them have the initials of Mr. Dean, the cashier—I have not seen any of them since the last trial—this one of 19th July, 1850, has Dean's initials, "B.D."—that means that those initials were to be placed on the bills of Lee before they were paid by him, as a sanction that he had paid them—I cannot say whether Dean's initials are on all the bills—I believe not on all, but I cannot ay positively—I have seen several of those that have "T. R. M." on them, and examined them with the books—I cannot say that I have examined the whole of them—I have examined very many—some may have escaped me—I believe the object of Dean's putting his initials on those receipts was to verify to the firm that they were paid by him—I believe Mr. Varnish gave him directions as to what his proper duties were—he engaged him—I never had any conversation with Dean as to what he should do—Mr. Varnish was the principal person in engaging him, and I believe settled his duties—I believe Mr. Varnish did not settle the whole matter with reference to what receipts were to be given, and what initials were to be put upon them—I believe the whole of the receipts for the work of the glass cutters in and out of the establishment were arranged entirely by Mellish—I never heard from Mr. Varnish that it was arranged between him and Mellish that there should be two vouchers—I have never heard that from Mr. Varnish—for eighteen months the business was carried on by vouchers before I ever heard of it in any way, before I knew that vouchers had been demanded by Mellish of the workmen at all—Mr. Varnish and Dean attended to the accounts—Dean never told me that vouchers were presented to him until very nearly the period at which Mellish left the business—about six weeks before Mellish left there was an inquiry as to the vouchers, and that was the first time I had the slightest idea such a thing had been carried on.

Q. Now, I ask you distinctly whether Mr. Varnish had not the whole superintendence and management of the accounts and the vouchers over Mellish and over Dean? A. To the best of my knowledge and belief, Mr. Varnish had nothing whatever to do with them—Mr. Mellish was the sole and entire person who engaged the people, fixed their wages, received their bills, and superintended their payments, and I believe Mr. Varnish knew nothing whatever of the concern so far as that went—his business was the out door commercial duty, to go into the City to see people who might require the manufactures, and to deal with merchants and others, to recommend the silvered goods, and to treat it as a mercantile affair—Mr. Varnish never told me that he knew there were two vouchers till about six weeks before Mellish leaving the concern—I have stated before that within six weeks of Mellish leaving the concern, the subject of vouchers came before the partners, and it was not till then I heard of any such thing.

Q. Have you not said, in your examination in chief, "I had not been informed of two bills up to the time of Douglas being given into custody?"

A. I bad not been informed of two special bills—I meant to confine it to information that came to me then—I have since received communications from different workmen of which I had no conception—there were some books kept by Dean, of which I bad no knowledge—I believe I knew all the books that were kept by Douglas—to the best of my knowledge, I knew at the time what books were in his possession.

Q. Did you ever go over the books whilst Mellish was in the employment? A. I frequently saw the wages book, and the book in which the diagrams were drawn as patterns I frequently saw, because it was essential that I should see them—I saw the wages book at least fifty times—I looked at the pages, and saw what was entered—I saw it continually before Mellish left—I have no doubt I have seen the cost price book, but I cannot say that it came within my inspection.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Had you any knowledge at the time of the quantity of work done by the persons out of doors, to enable you to detect any errors, or did you rely upon Mellish? A. I hired Mellish entirely to do that work, and I trusted to him implicitly—I hired him to conduct and manage the business, and I implicitly relied upon him—I had no other authority to rely upon.

BENJAMIN DEAN . I am clerk and cashier to Mr. Thompson, and was so at the time Mellish was in his service—it was my duty to examine the wages book with the documents, and then pay the amount of the wages over to Douglas to disburse to the men—he came to me on the Saturday for a sum, which was his estimate of what the wages would come to—I gave him that sum, and on the Monday the wages book was produced to me, and I saw whether it was right or not—I knew nothing myself of the value of the work, or of the nature of the engagement of the men—Douglas was the person who produced the wages book to me—he was also in the habit of bringing me vouchers with it, that was so from the commencement—I required those vouchers, and checked the wages book by them, that is the out door work—after examining the vouchers, I marked them—all these vouchers produced, except five, have my initials to them—I am not able to account for those five, not having them—I have referred to the wages book with the accounts that I marked—I referred to it weekly, and I have looked at it since—these sums are entered in the wages book as paid to the men—I find Mellish's initials upon some of these vouchers; that was to assert the correctness of the account.

Q. Was that by your desire, or how did it happen? A. I cannot recollect the circumstance, it was not so from the commencement—after it commenced I should not knowingly have passed any vouchers that did not have his initials—it is the larger sums that appear throughout in the wages book.

Cross-examined by MR. CHAMBERS. Q. The course of business was, that Douglas came to you on the Saturday for money, did he? A. Generally on the Friday or Saturday—I called to ask him what money he would require—he produced the vouchers on the Monday or Tuesday, with the wages book, and I then compared the vouchers with the entries in the wages book to see if they were correct, and that they tallied, and when that was done I put my initials on the vouchers to testify that they had been compared with the wages book, and found to agree—I knew that Mellish kept one set of vouchers containing the items of charges—the memorandums produced to me was merely the gross amount of each person's charge—there were some vouchers to which I put my initials, which had not Mellish's initials—I did not put my initials on those occasions upon any representation made by Douglas, it was for my

own satisfaction—Douglas merely brought me those vouchers—I compared them with the book, and finding them right, put my initials, without looking for Mellish's—I sat in an entirely different part of the premises—all Mellish's papers were left behind when he went away—this account of Lee's, dated 19th July, 1850, for 2l. 18s., has my initials, that is merely a reference to the wages book—it has not Mellish's initials—I merely looked at the wages book, saw that the entry was there, and then put my initials—these receipts that were produced to me may not all be in Douglas's writing, but the greater portion of them are.

JAMES HENRY KEYS . I am in Mr. Thompson's employment, as porter, and was so at the time of the last trial—I have often seen Mr. Mellish in the room where the double desk was—I have seen books there—I know the wages book—I have been there on a Saturday, and have seen him and Douglas at the desk—I have seen them on Saturday morning looking at the wages book, and Douglas has applied to Mr. Mellish, certifying what money he wanted—on one Saturday afternoon, previous to Douglas going to Mr. Dean, the cashier, I saw Mr. Mellish call him, and say, "Mr. Dean must be prepared to get a cheque for"—I cannot say the amount, he mentioned some amount, as he was going to pay somebody—I saw Douglas leave Mr. Mellish at the desk, and go up with his book—I have seen him come back with the money to pay the wages—he has put it on the desk, and the wages book too—Mr. Mellish has been there when he has done that—I have seen that oftener than once: he brought the money in a bag, and laid it down on the desk, with the wages book, before Mr. Mellish.

JOHN BLYTHE . I am porter to Mr. Thomson—I know the wages book I have seen it in the office in which Mr. Mellish used to sit—I have seen Mellish there, and Douglas—I have seen them there on a Saturday; not frequently, only once—I do not know the date—it was about six months after I entered the employment—I saw them close together at the desk on that occasion; the books were there—the wages book was there, and they were looking at it—I heard Mellish tell Douglas to get 70l. from Mr. Dean—Mellish used to leave on the Saturday before 6 o'clock—Douglas remained till all the men were gone—he paid all the men—he once sent me to Mellish's after the men were paid with a little parcel—it contained money, I think—I took it to 148, Regent-street, and delivered it to Mr. Mellish.

EDWARD O'BRIEN . I am foreman of the glass cutters, at the house in Berners-street. I was engaged by Mellish, and was told by him not to acknowledge Mr. Thomson as my employer, and not to give any information to Mr. Thomson; if I did, I was to be discharged—we were to be discharged from the employ if we saw Mr. Thomson, or gave him any information in respect of the business—Mellish settled the amount of my wages; Mr. Thomson had nothing to do with it—I have seen the wages book, I believe; it is a dirty kind of book (looking at the one produced)—that is something about it, as near as I can judge—I have seen Mr. Mellish at the desk with the books before him, and I think he must have had access to that book—I cannot say how often I have seen him on a Saturday with the books before him—I have seen the men receiving their wages—I have not seen him with the book before him at that time.

Cross-examined by MR. CHAMBERS. Q. You were an in-door man, were you not? A. Yes; I cannot say how many books I have seen Mellish have before him—I cannot say whether a dozen, or two, or three, or one—I have come to speak the truth; I cannot tell how many books I have seen before him—I was not shown the wages book before I came into Court—the attorney

did not show it to me—I was subpoenaed very lately; it is above a week ago—I was not here at the last trial—I live in Agar-town—I have continued to work for Mr. Thompson since Mellish left—I go daily to his house to work—Mr. Thompson first asked me some questions previous to Mr. Mellish's being taken—I told him all I knew, as far as I could recollect—I went to the police-office, but was not examined—I was engaged at the latter end of Nov., 1849—Mr. Watkins and Mr. Ford have superintended since Mellish left—I have worked under them, and have told them exactly the process of working—I have been made foreman.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. How long have you been foreman? A. Three or four months.

WILLIAM GRANGER . I am in the prosecutor's employ as a glass cutter—I was so when Mellish was the foreman—he told me to look after a man that be wanted for the employment—I did so, and on the following day I told him I had got a person who I thought would suit him—he asked me what wages the man would want—I said from 28s. to 29s. a week—he said that was rather more money than the men we had got had, but he would see in the morning whether the man would suit or no—I do not know how he ascertained that it was more money—I saw the wages book at that time; he looked over it—he opened it, and said it was more than the men had—I have frequently seen Mellish at his desk, and have seen the wages book on the desk at different times—I have often seen both Mellish and Douglas looking at it carefully.

Cross-examined by MR. CHAMBERS Q. I am afraid you were not here last time to say that you had seen this? A. No, I was not; I went to the police-office.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. When were you desired to come here? A. Last Sessions; I have bad three subpoenas—I was here last Sessions, and at a former Sessions, but was not examined till to-day.

CHARLES WATKINS . I used to be superintendent of the works at Messrs. Thomson's. I remember Douglas being taken into custody on 4th Oct. last—on the Monday after that, the 6th, I discovered these vouchers that have been produced with the initials "T. R. M." on them—I found some in a box, and some in a table drawer in the room that Mellish used to occupy—I showed them to Mr. Thomson, and afterwards delivered them to Mr. Waleling.

Cross-examined by MR. BODKIN Q. The papers that your attention has been called to were found in the box, were they not? A. Some in the box, and some in the drawer—I cannot tell which were found in the drawer, and which in the box—the box was locked—Douglas had the key—I got the key from him when he was taken into custody, and opened the box with it.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. And bow did you open the drawer of Mellish's table? A. That was picked by a locksmith—I cannot separate the papers I found in the box from those I found in the drawer.

Witnesses for the Defence.

EDWARD VARNISH . I live at Kensington. I was in partnership with Mr. Thomson—I ceased to be so about 17th May last—I become his partner just after Mr. Mellish came into the employment—I attended daily to the business—I was the commercial partner—Mr. Thomson was also daily in attendance—the great quantity of business that Mellish had upon his hands led to the employment of Douglas—it was suggested both by Mr. Thomson and myself that he should have some assistances—after Douglas came, my impression is that he attended to the wages book, and to the paying of the

persons employed—I was there very little; it was not my department—I was in the Berners-street side, and not where the works were carried on—the wages were paid in the workshop in Wells'-mews—I was not aware of the system of having two bills till very lately, before my leaving—when I say lately I mean three or four months before I left; that would be about Feb. 1851—that was the first time I knew of it—I cannot tell upon whose suggestion it was adopted—I found out that Mellish kept the original invoices mentioning the particulars—those bills never came into my hands at all—I can hardly answer whose business it was to keep the bills which contained the gross sums only; I only know it by asking Dean to let me see the vouchers of the money paid; I did not find him in possession of them or the books; I found they were in the custody of Mellish—I believe both were, as far as my knowledge goes—I did not see them at all; but they were reported to me by Dean to be in Mellish's custody.

Q. Do you know the cause of Mellish leaving? did he leave of his own accord, or was he dismissed? A. Well, I think the notice came from him to leave; I have no doubt about it—Douglas remained in the service.

COURT. Q. Can you tell when it was Mellish left? A. It would be about a fortnight before I left, before I agreed to leave rather; that was about the 3rd, 4th, or 5th of May.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Do you know whether shortly before he left there had been a difference between him and Mr. Thomson about another patent? A. I do not know of any difference about it; there was an arrangement being made between them about his resigning some share in a patent—I did not attend at all to the business after Mellish left, only for a few days, and had nothing to do with Douglas whatever; I was not in that part of the establishment, I was in the counting-house—Mellish left in May, and Douglas was given into custody in Oct.—I cannot answer whether frauds of the same kind have been discovered to have taken place after Mellish left—I have not examined into the accounts; Mr. Thomson told me he had made such and such discoveries, but I do not know the fact.

JAMES DOUGLAS (in custody). I come from the gaol—I was formerly in the furniture line—I am twenty-five years of age—I first knew Mr. Mellish about fourteen or fifteen years ago—he knows my family—my mother is alive, he knows my mother—I have a brother and two sisters, he also knows them, and has done so as long as he has known me—they are in respectable positions—they were residing in London at the time I first went into the employment of Messrs. Varnish and Thompson—I was then down at Birmingham conducting a house in the furniture line; Mr. Mellish wrote to me to come up—my family had not communicated with me before that—I came up, and Mellish engaged me; I was to have 30s. a week at starting—some time afterwards it was raised to 35s.—I attended to the wages book, and the cost price book, and a petty cash book—I have pleaded guilty to the present indictment for forging this receipt (looking at it)—I recollect this receipt being signed by Suttie: it was then for 15s. 4d., it was altered by me to 1l. 15s. 4d.—the initials "T. R. M." to it are Mellish's initials—they were put on before that alteration was made—he did not know of my making the alteration that I am aware of—I produced it as a voucher to Deane the cashier, as if I had paid 1l. 15s. 4d. to Suttie—I got the difference between the 15s. 4d. and 1l. 15s. 4d. into my pocket—I entered 1l. 15s. 4d. in the wages book; so that anybody looking at the wages book, and comparing it with the receipt, would see that they tallied—on that same date, 22nd Feb., 1851, there was what is called a detailed bill delivered; I took possession of that—

I generally filed those bills—there was no direction given on the matter—it was about two days after the detailed bill was got that I pat it on the file—in the meanwhile it would be lying in Mr. Mellish's room, or on his table—it was first given to Mellish to examine, to see that the items were correct: in the first place he would have to see that the charge was correct—the party was under an agreement with him for the drilling of these goods at a certain price, and I was obliged to appeal to him to know that the price against each item was correct—Mellish had to see that the work was accurately and properly done; he would have to see that the charges were correct according to the agreement; it was placed on his table for that purpose—he used to hand the detailed bill to me, signed, with this, in order for me to make a true entry; both of them remained on his table till the wages book was made up, when I took them both away; the short bill, or memorandum, was gives to Mr. Deane with the wages book—when I took them off his table they both tallied with the item book—as soon as I had taken them away from Mr. Mellish's table, the short one was altered to 1l. 15s. 4d.—I then made the wages book up, and gave it to Mr. Deane, with the short bill, and the detailed bill was then placed on the file—Deane used to return the abort one to me with the wages book in the course of the day, after he had ticked off the wages book with the vouchers, and the wages book with the short vouchers was then left on Mr. Mellish's table—they remained there, and in the course of the day I should have them myself, and place them in my own desk—the short bills would remain, and in the course of a week or so they would be put on the same file—Mellish never got any part of the 1l. which I got by altering this receipt—there are some other receipts for this description of work, which have been altered in the same manner—all these receipts signed by Mr. Suttie (looking at several) have been altered by me; Mr. Mellish did not know that I altered them—he did not get a farthing out of the additional sum which I got by altering them—these receipts (looking at others) have all been altered by me—Mr. Mellish did not know that I had altered them; he did not receive a farthing of the proceeds—I recollect his leaving—I think there were one or two receipts, which I altered after he left—I was taken into custody in Oct.; I was still in the employment of Mr. Thomson—I was examined at the police-office before Mellish was taken; Mr. Lewis was acting as my attorney then, and after Mellish was taken he was feed for us, but he did not appear.

Q. Did you make a communication to Mr. Lewis on the subject of Mellish when you were first taken? A. Not when I was first taken—after Mellish had been taken I did—after Mellish was taken, I was tried with him at this Court—Mr. Robinson was acting as my attorney then—I hardly know whether he lived in Hatton-garden, it was my wife who went there—on the Tuesday after I had been tried, I saw the Ordinary of Newgate, and made a communication to him—that was of my own free will.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. You stated that you were connected with some furniture establishment at Birmingham, in what capacity? A. I was managing a firm—I had the whole control of the entire establishment—my employers were in London and Manchester—I did not rob them—I behaved there with entire honesty—I had no person over me—I could, without difficulty, have stolen money to any amount, but I never committed any theft till I came up and was under Mellish, or any dishonesty at all—I have not got the letter I received from Mellish—I did not know anything of the glass-cutting business; Mellish knew I was entirely ignorant of it—I knew nothing of the amount of wages a man ought to earn, either by job or day work—I merely came up in the capacity of clerk, to act under his directions—I had nothing to do with the price of wages, or checking the amount of wages—it

was about June I began to forge and rob—I cannot Say I did not begin before, it is so long ago—I came up about the beginning of March, 1850—I cannot say whether I committed any act of dishonesty before I began to forge, or whether forgery was the first crime I committed—I cannot tell the Court when I committed the crime of forgery for the first time; it was considerably more than a week after I arrived; I should say it was about three months—I cannot say whether I began to commit forgeries within a fortnight—I have no children depending on me, only my wife—I should think I robbed Mr. Thomson, altogether, of 140l. or 150l.—I should think it was not more than that—I should say that certainly there were not alterations, forgeries alone, to the amount of 300l. or 400l.—I cannot swear there were not—I cannot swear there were not overcharges and forgeries to the amount of 1,000l.—there are alterations in bills which are not in the wages book—I could not have had more than from 140l. to 150l.—I cannot swear that the amount of which my employers were plundered by one means or another, to which I was a party, was not 1,000l.—when I came up from Birmingham, I knew nothing about this business at all; Mellish said I was entirely under his control, and that Mr. Thomson had nothing whatever to do with me—when I first went there, there was no wages book kept, but I should say there was about three weeks afterwards—he did not look over the entries in the wages book in my presence—he and I did look over them, but not to examine them—we never went through the whole of the entries in the wages book together; we went through part of it in two instances; one was when he rose my wages—I cannot say the exact time when that was—the wages book was on the desk the remainder of the day, when I gave it to Mr. Deane; or on his table, for the purpose of his examination, if he should want to examine it—the amount I actually pocketed was from 140l. to 150l.—I have heard that the name of the person who apprehended me is Smith—I was present with Mellish in the dock of the police-court—I heard the evidence against him—I think I said something admitting my guilt then; I cannot swear it—we were tried together here, and I employed an attorney to defend me—I did not instruct any person that Mellish was entirely innocent; I said I was entirely under Mellish's control—I heard Mellish sentenced to ten years transportation; I did not interfere at all at that time—I recollect being is the office of the Marylebone police-court when I was first taken—I do not recollect the clerk taking a statement down—I did not say at that time to William Smith that Mr. Lewis, and Mellish, were trying to put it all on my shoulders, when Mellish knew as much about it as I did, and was equally guilty—(Smith and Hayes were here brought into Court)—I swear I did not say to either of those officers that Mr. Lewis and Mellish were trying to put it all on my shoulders, when he knew as much about it as I did—I neither said that or anything of the kind—that I swear—I know a fellow prisoner, named Davis, in Newgate, who is charged with manslaughter—I have no recollection of having any conversation with him about this matter—I do not remember that there was a little hole in the partition in either of the offices at Mr. Thomson's—I never knew that Mellish used to peep through that hole—I never said so to Davis, or any person—I do not know where Davis is now—I may have told him that I acted under Mellish's instructions, and he must have known all about it, but I have no recollection of saying it.

MR. CHAMBERS. Q. Was that after you had seen your attorney, Mr. Robinson? A. Yes, it was when I was in Newgate—he did not tell me what my chance was; how I could get out of it—I had not consulted with him about it—I had a written statement ready for him—Mr. Lewis said something

at the police-office about putting me in the witness box—I had employed him as my attorney—he made that statement in my presence, publicly, in Court—he said I was ready to be a witness to prove Mellish's innocence—he did not do that by my express directions—I considered he was acting as my attorney—that was on the second occasion that Mellish was in custody—I was a man of good character when I went into Mr. Thomson's employ; Mellish knew that—he did not hold out any inducement to me to be dishonest, nor did he know I was dishonest—he was not at all cognizant of any money I got by dishonesty Q. Now, with regared to the 1,000l., which may or may not be the result Of some depredations do you know of, do you know of one dishonest act of Mellish? A. I know of one instance, when there was an article bought by Mellish of two of the men, and the firm was charged a considerably higher price than he had given—one of the men was named Kane; he bought a lathe, which was required to be used in the workshop, and I made a bill out by Mellish's order, making the firm out a debtor to Mellish—when I was at Birmingham I and 28s. a week, and a house to live in—when I came to town I lived with my wife in apartments—it was extravagant habits which Caused me to spend so much money—Mellish had nothing to do with it—I may have sent many parcels to Mellish to Regent-street on Saturday nights, after money has been paid to the workmen; if so, it may have been something which he had paid away on account of the firm.

COURT. Q. What induced you to give up the 28s. a week and the house at Birmingham? A. The fact of my having friends in London—I may have sent a parcel up to Mellish on Saturday night—I do not remember it positively; I might have, but most likely it was on account of the firm.

JAMES GRAHAM LEWIS . I am a solicitor, of Ely-place. I acted as solicitor for both prisoners on the inquiry before the Magistrate—I received some instructions on that occasion from Douglas, in consequence of which I made a public statement to the Magistrate on that occasion.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Who did you act for first in this transaction? A. For Douglas; I was retained for him—on arriving at the police-court after seeing him, a gentleman in Court told me that Mellish was taken, and that he wished me to attend for him—before I acted for Mellish I returned to Douglas and asked him, as until I saw him again I thought it was inconsistent.

Rev. JOHN DAVIS. I am ordinary of Newgate—after Douglas had been convicted I saw him, at the request of the visiting Magistrates, within two or three days of his trial—he made a statement to me, which I put down in writing—I have never seen it since I wrote it—I gave it to the Governor immediately—this is it (produced), (The COURT considered this statement inadmissible).

A great number of witnesses, many of whom were examined on the former trial, deposed to Mellish's good character.)


WILLIAM SMITH (police-sergeant, E 16). I know the prisoner Douglas—I saw him in the clerk's office at Marlborough-street police-court, and heard him say that Mr. Lewis was trying to put it all upon his shoulders, but that Mellish was equally guilty as himself.

Cross-examined by MR. CHAMBERS. Q. Were you in the office when Mr. Lewis publicly stated that be would call Douglas as a witness to show that Mellish was guiltless? A. I was—I did not do or say anything upon that—Mr. Lewis said that twice, to the best of my recollection, on two different

occasions—almost immediately after Douglas had said this, after the depositions were complete at the office, I told the clerk of it—the constable, Hayes, was present when I heard it, and the prisoners, Mellish and Douglas—there were several other persons; Mr. Deane was in the office, but it was not said when Mr. Thomson was in the office; I was on one side of the desk with the prisoners, and they on the other—Mr. Deane and Mr. Thomson could not have been within hearing—I was here at the last trial—I was not called as a witness—Hayes was not here on the last trial—I have had 5l. from Mr. Thomson—I cannot recollect the date that he gave it me—it was after the last trial—I reported the receipt of the money to the Commissioners—it was given me for my exertions and trouble in getting up the case, and for my attention—I do not know what I had done to get the case up—it was what gentlemen generally give policemen money for, as a gratuity—the only thing I could have done would be to see that the necessary things were in attendance before the Magistrate, and also in attendance here, and to keep the witnesses together when they were here—as an officer I was employed to do that, and bound to do it—it was in my ordinary duty—Mr. Wakeling was the prosecutor's attorney; he attended to getting the witnesses together, but he was in here—he could not be in here and out there too—I do not know what Mr. Thomson gave me the 5l. for, except what other gentlemen give to police officers for, for their attention—I do not mean that in every trial gentlemen give policemen money to keep the witnesses together—I have been rewarded in other cases, for other things, for attention paid, and for keeping the witnesses together—I paid no attention to this particular case, besides keeping the witnesses together when they were in attendance here—I got the 5l. I think five or six weeks after the trial—Hayes did not share it with me; he knew that I had it—I told him of it—he did not get anything.

FRANCIS HAYES (policemen, E 82). I was at Marlborough-street police-court when Douglas was present after his examination—Mellish was sitting on a bench with his wife, crying—Douglas was standing by my side, and he said to me, "Mellish looks devilish ill; does be not?"—I said, "Yes; he looks very ill"—he said, "Ah, he thinks to put it all upon me, but he is as much in the mud as I am in the mire"—I do not know where sergeant Smith was at that time—we were both in Court, attending and keeping the witnesses together—I had not heard any statement made by Douglas upon any former occasion.


NEW COURT.—Wednesday, April 7th, 1852.

PRESENT—Sir JOHN KEY, Bart., Ald.; Mr. Ald. KELLT; Sir JAMES DUKE, Bart., Ald.; MR. RECORDER; and Mr. Ald. CHALLIS.

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William Fitzgerald. I was drunk. Witness. No; you were sober.

JAMES WATT . I live at 7, Red Lion-street, Wappin, in the parish of St. John; I am a grocer and cheesemonger. I had frequently seen the prisoners come in and out of my shop, but have only known them in the way of trade—they had no business in my house at all—I fastened my door at 12 o'clock at night—the lock was defective, and would not lock, but there was a bolt under it, which was a good security for it—the house door had been fastened before—we do not go in and out that way—I saw that that was secure when I fastened the other—it was fastened by a lock, and bolt, and a key—when I came down I found the bolt in its place on the shop door, but the staple had been drawn—the bolt was shot—this coat and waistcoat are mine—they had been in a drawer in a chest of drawers in the parlour behind the shop—they had to break open another door to get in there—I had locked that door myself—I missed a half-side of bacon, a show-glass, a jar of pickles, and also a pair of sugar-tongs, but they were found in the cellar.

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Daniel Fitzgerald. I Went in to see what was come of this young man; I heard him hallooing out; I went as far as the cellar, and went down to get him out; as I was coming up I heard a knock at the door; we stopped there, and the policeman came and took us.

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JOHN JOSEPH GRIFFIN . I live at 53, Baker-street, Portman-square, and am a bookseller—the prisoner was my errand boy, from about the middle of Oct. till the beginning of Feb., when he left me—this letter is not my writing, it is the prisoner's—I know his writing—I have seen him write—I did not send him to Mr. Kaiser for a watch on 10th March—he bad left my service a month previous.

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JOHN EVANS . I live at 4, George-street, St. Giles', and am a labourer. I have known the prisoner about eighteen months—I saw him frequently in March—I saw him last Thursday week—he asked me if I was doing anything—I said, "No"—he said he could get me a few pounds—he said, "I can give you an order to go from Mr. Denham's to Mr. Heath's in St. Martin's-le-Grand," and then he said it would be better to take an order first from

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Prisoner. Q. How do you get your living? A. I am a labourer—I have known you about eighteen months—the summer before last, when I used to carry out beer at the White Bear, you lived in Princes-square—you wrote this order at Middleron's on a barrel—you called for a pen and ink—then I took it there—you saw Mr. Steel by my having to wait in the shop—I live in a lodging house, and pay 2s. a week—they are all respectable characters in it to the best of my knowledge.

STEPHEN HOBSON HEATH . I live at 17, St Martin's-lane, and am a boot and shoemaker. The prisoner was formerly my clerk—he had left me about ten or twelve months—I have frequently seen him write—I believe this order to be in his writing—I have never given him permission to use my name since he left me—he was in the habit of writing orders of this description while in my service, to different wholesale houses—if I were out, and the foreman of any one of the shops came, be would write the order in ray place to some wholesale house—I have compared this order with his signature in the letter book, but I give my opinion from my general knowledge of his writing.

WILLIAM COOKE . I live in Bath-street, Clerkenwell, and am shopman to Mr. Heath. I did not write this order, nor did I ever authorize the prisoner to write it.

COURT. Q. Were you in the service of Mr. Heath at the time the prisoner was there? A. Yes; he would know that I was the person who would have to sign an order of this description—I am not aware that the prisoner knew my name was William—(the order was signed "R. Cook.")

JOHN FREDERICK PARKER . I live at 526 and 527, New Oxford-street, and am partner with Mr. Charles Denham. This order was presented to me by Evans, yesterday week—Mr. Heath had called in the week before, and said that such an order would be presented. Evans came twice with the order—the first time I saw the prisoner in the neighbourhood, but he went away—Evans left the order with me—I told him to go and see if the prisoner was waiting at the place he had. appointed to meet him—he went, and came back to me—I then went to the station, and said we had missed the party—Evans went away—I told him to come next day, and he should have the

goods—on that day the prisoner was waiting for him at the public house—I caused a policeman to follow Evans, and he took the prisoner.

Prisoner. Q. Do you know George-street, St. Giles's? A. Yes; I believe some of the parties there are the worst in London.

JAMES WILLIAM FISHER . I was in the employ of Mr. Heath, previous to 30th March. As I was standing outside the shop last Monday week, the prisoner called and asked if Mr. Heath was in—I told him yes—he asked several questions about who were in Mr. Heath's employ now—I told him—while he was talking to me Mr. Cooke came out, and he saw him.

COURT to WILLIAM COOKE. Q. Did you see Evans come to Mr. Heath's? A. Yes; I saw him this day week—a policeman who came with him showed me this paper, and asked me if I knew anything about it; or if it was my writing—Mr. Heath came in while they were there—I said, "That is Mr. Heath."

Prisoner. I had been locked up prior to that. Witness. The prisoner was then confined—I went with the policeman and Evans to the station.

MR. HEATH re-examined. On the Saturday before that Wednesday, Evans came to my place and gave me some information—I asked him to accompany me to the police-office, and I went with him.

JOHN LEE (police-sergeant, E 23). I apprehended the prisoner in Broad-street, Bloomsbury, at Mr. Middleton's public-house door—I asked if his name was Fitch—he said it was—I told him I was an officer, and he must consider himself in custody for uttering a forged order—he said he knew nothing about it—I received this order from Mr. Parker—when Evans came out of Mr. Denham's I followed him—he went in the public-house,' and he and the prisoner came out together.

Prisoner. Q. Do you know where Evans lives? A. Yes, at 4, George-street—I never knew him in trouble.

Prisoner's Defence. I know nothing about the order; Evans has often said to me, why don't I do so and so, and no doubt it has come out in conversation that such a thing might be done; if I had written that order, I should have used the name of William Cooke, not Richard Cooke; if a man swears he saw me write a thing which I did not write, I can make no other defence; the reason I know Evans was, by Mr. Reed wanting me to take a carpet up to beat, and that was not exactly what I liked, and I thought Evans would be a likely person to assist me.

Witnesses for the Defence.

HERBERT ADOLPHUS REED . I am an attorney. The prisoner was my clerk about a year and a half, during that time I became perfectly acquainted with his writing—I have some of it in my pocket—this order does not look at all his writing; I do not think it is his writing; it is totally different in the angles of the figures.

Prisoner. Q. Did you ask me to take up a carpet and beat it? A. Several times; not to beat it, but to procure it to be beaten for me—I never missed anything, nor found fault with you for dishonesty; your character was very good while with me—you left me a year and a half ago, but I have employed you since in copying—I have heard that you have been wild, but do not know it.

Cross-examined by MR. COOPER. Q. How came you here to-day? A. He wrote me a letter—I have seen much of the prisoner—he was never in trouble before—he writes in a bold hand; this order is a cramped hand—since he has left my office I have employed him to write a law hand—I have seen his general writing—I sold some property of his since, and he has written me

one or two letters as to employing him since—his writing is more bold than this—he writes a very bold hand indeed.

WILLIAM ISARD . I am a clerk to a merchant, in the City. I have known the prisoner about four years—he has corresponded with me by letters, and I have acted upon them—I have acquired a knowledge of his writing—I fancy I should know it from a hundred—I do not believe this order to be his writing; he writes a more upright hand, and rounder.

Cross-examined. Q. What do you say of the angles? A. I should say his writing is more angular than this—I have known him long, and always writing one hand—all the letters I have had from him are quite different to this.


5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-389
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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389. ELIZABETH GIBBS . stealing 1 pair of boots, value 2s.; the property of Richard Clarke, from the person of Harriet Clarke.

HARRIET CLARKE . I am seven years old—I live with my father and mother in Allen-street, Goswell-street—I remember one morning going along Goswell-street to school—I met the prisoner, she said "Will you come along with me, I am going to buy some oranges?"—I went with her to Windsorterrace, City-road—she there took off my shoes, and said she was going to clean them, and she would bring them back in a minute—she left me, and took my shoes with her—she did not come back.

Prisoner. I never saw the child in my life.

ELIZABETH CLARKE . I am the wife of Richard Clarke—I am the mother of the last witness—she has been to school a year and a half—on 11th March she went out, to go to school, a few minutes after 9 o'clock—her shoes were double soled with a trap to button round the ankle, they were worth about 2s.—she was brought back about half-past 11 by a little girl, and she had no shoes on—she told me how she had lost her shoes.

PHILIP GRESLEY (policeman, 481 N). I took the prisoner on 12th March—I followed her from Kingsland-road to De Beauvoir-square—Harriet Clarke saw her at the station about half an hour afterwards, and identified her directly—she did not hesitate at all—there was another woman in the station at the time—the prisoner was not pointed out to her in any way.

(The prisoner was further charged with having been before convicted.)

PHILIP GRESLEY re-examined. I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction (read—convicted at Clerkenwell, July 1851, and confined six months) she is the person.


5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-390
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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390. ELIZABETH GIBBS again indicted for stealing (in Surrey) 1 pair of boots, value 2s.: the goods of Francis Joseph Turney, from the person of Alice, Harriet Turney.

ALICE HARRIET TURNEY . I am seven years old—I have been to school—I live with my father in Waterloo-road—I was playing there one day, and the prisoner came and spoke to me—she said, "Will you hold three half-pence for me"—she then said she was going to take me to a lady with some oranges—I went with her to Guildford-street—she took me into a court there, and told me to sit down—I sat down on a step, and she took my boots off, and said she was going to clean them—she gave me two buns, and told me to wrap my feet up with my frock—she went away, and did not come back—I am sure she is the woman.

FRANCIS JOSEPH TURNEY . I am a butcher of Brighton-place, Waterloo-road—this child is my daughter—she was playing in the Waterloo-road on 11th March—she had a pair of cloth boots on—in consequence of something

I heard, I went that afternoon to a court in Guildford-street, between 3 and 4 o'clock—I found my child in a house, where a lady had been kind enough to take her to the fire.

PHILIP GRESLEY (policeman, 481 N). I took the prisoner on 12th March—this little girl saw her in the cell at the police court—where there were I think twelve other persons—she picked the prisoner out immediately—she was not pointed out to her at all—not only this child pointed her out, but I think twenty more children, as having robbed them in the same way.

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Transported for Seven Years.

THIRD COURT.—Wednesday, April 7th, 1852.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Fourth Jury.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-391
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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391. STEPHEN DONELAN . unlawfully obtaining money by false pretences (upon which Mr. PARRY offered no evidence)


5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-392
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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392. SARAH WALKER . stealing 1 shawl, value 2s.; the goods of Thomas Hopkins.

THOMAS HOPKINS . I am in the service of Messrs. Curtis and Harvey. The prisoner was at work at our house four days, as a needlewoman—on Sunday afternoon, 21st Feb., I missed a shawl from a box in my bed-room, neither the room nor the box were locked—I got a policeman, and asked the prisoner if she knew anything of the shawl; she said, "No," and I gave her in charge—as I was leaving the house to go with her to the station, she said she had taken the shawl, and wished to tell me where it was—I preferred going with her to the station in case there should be anything missing belonging to the firm; and at the station she said the shawl was left at a public-house on the right side of Bermondsey-street, to be called for—I went there with the officer, and found it—this is it (produced).

GEORGE WEBB (City-policeman, 438). I took the prisoner to the station—I produce the shawl; I got it from a person named Glanville, at the Queen's Head, Bermondsey—the prisoner had told me where it was left, and I found it there.

Prisoner's Defence. I took the shawl, but intended to replace it, and had not time to do so.

GUILTY . Aged 30.—Strongly recommended to mercy by the Jury.— Confined One Month.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-393
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown

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393. ELIZABETH COMPTON and WILLIAM WALSHAM LEGGETT . stealing 1 pillow and other articles, value 23s.; the goods of Theophilus Dower Lloyd , let by him to be used by said Elizabeth Compton.

ELIZA LLOYD . I am the wife of Theophilus Dower Lloyd, of Hosier-lane. About 21st Feb. I let the prisoner Compton a lodging at our house; she said she was married, and her husband was an ostler—she came with a young man, but I did not see her again, as I was confined to my bed—in a fortnight and four days I found they were gone, and I missed a pair of sheets, a pair of blankets, a counterpane, two pillows, and other articles, thirty altogether, which had been let with the lodgings—when they had been gone about a

week the prisoner Leggett came to me and said, "Have you lost anything, because I have found some duplicates; I was with Compton up to last night, and I found forty duplicates relating to pillows and different things; she has served me a dirty trick, and I have brought three of the duplicates to you"—no inquiry had then been made after the things, he came of his own accord—he said he had been sleeping with her, and found the duplicates in her pocket—these three duplicates related to my property—I asked him if he could tell me where she was living—he gave me the address; I went to the New-cut with a policeman and found her there—I held the duplicates in my right hand, and said, "Do you know anything about these?"—she said she knew nothing about them, and I said, "What about the other things?"—I went up stairs with the policeman, and there found some chimney ornaments and teacup and teapot on the shelf, and two pictures have been found since—these are the ornaments (produced)—they are my husband's, and were on the mantel-shelf in the room I let.

Leggett. Q. Did you ever see me at your room? A. I cannot swear to you, but I think I have.

JOHN LARTER (policeman, M 166). I went with Mrs. Lloyd to this house in the New-cut, and found Compton there, and also these ornaments, and the teapot—I took Compton to the Smithfield station—I did not see Lloyd show her any duplicates—they were given to me after we left the house—I searched the room, but found no more duplicates.

WILLIAM GRIFFIN . I live at 7, Gee-street. On a Thursday, in the beginning of March, I went with Leggett to this house in Hosier-lane, and found the prisoner Compton and another young woman there—Compton took some pictures from off the wall, and asked me to sell them—I sold four of them—I afterwards went with the two females and Leggett from Hosier-lane to the New-cut—they all carried some things, and they asked me to carry a bundle, which I did—when we got to the New-cut, they took the bundle of me, went into the house, and I came away.

Leggett. Q. Did you go into the room with me? A. Yes; the ornaments were placed on the chimney-piece, and the crockery in the cupboard—I did not want you to let me sell a sack, and you did not refuse to allow me because you did not know whose it was—Compton did not tell me that she bought the pictures.

DANIEL ROSIER . I am assistant to Mr. Rosier, a pawnbroker. I produce a pillow which was pawned on 25th Feb. for 9d., I do not know who by—I gave a duplicate to the party, and have the counterpart myself—I also produce a counterpane pawned on 27th Feb. for 1s. (produced).

JOSEPH SOUNDY (City-policeman, 231). I took Leggett into custody, and told him it was for being concerned with Compton in robbing furnished lodgings—he said he knew nothing about it, he thought the things belonged to Compton; she had told him they were given her by her father.

Leggett's Defence. Compton told me that her brother gave her the ornaments, and her father the other things. Leggett called

ELIZABETH PARKER . I am an unfortunate girl. I have been living with Compton, at Hosier-lane—I lived there two days before Leggett came—I went with them to the New-cut, but carried nothing—I only knew Compton by seeing her in the streets of an evening—I asked her to let me lodge with her; she said she would, and that the things were her own, that her father bought them for her.

COMPTON— GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined Three Months.

LEGGETT— NOT GUILTY . (Leggett was again indicted. See Surrey Cases.)

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-394
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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394. THOMAS PRICE . stealing 61 lbs. weight of lead, value, 1l.; the goods of William Struggs, fixed to a building.

MESSRS. ROBINSON and GIFFORD conducted the Prosecution.

FRANCIS M'LEAN , (City-police inspector). On 24th Feb., in consequence of information, I went to the house of William Ayles, 33, St. Andrew's-hill, who showed me two pieces of lead weighing about 42 lbs.—I marked it—I then went to the top of the house, No. 22,. Earl-street, Blackfriars, and discovered that a quantity of lead had been taken from there—on 25th, I sent Lee to fetch the two pieces from Ayles; he brought me two, these are them (produced)—I compared them with that on the top of the house, and they corresponded—they had been cut away very roughly.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. Is that old lead? A. Yes; I found the prisoner's wife at 22, Earl-street—she went up to the roof with me, and one or two gentlemen—I suppose one of the gentlemen was a foreigner, he wore moustachios—it was, not the prisoner's wife's brother who gave me the information—I decline to answer whether it was the prisoner's wife—(the Court considered that this ought not to be asked)—I do not recollect that I have ever said it was the wife who gave me information.

WILLIAM STRUGGS . I am waiter at the Old Shades, Thames-street, and rent the house, 22, Earl-street—I compared these two pieces of lead with that left on the top of the house, and they corresponded—I think 60 lbs. were found, and there was another piece found the following day—the prisoner's wife is ray sister—in consequence of circumstances which it is not necessary to enter into, I took this house three years ago, and put my sister into it to manage it—it is a lodging-house—I paid the rent—I never gave the prisoner authority to take away any lead.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you live in the house? A. No; I am head waiter at the Old Shades—I do not get wages, only what I can get of the customers—I have been head waiter fourteen or fifteen years—I do not live at 22, Earl-street; the prisoner does, and his wife also—his wife manages the business—I do not pay her, she has the profits of the house; I have nothing to do with the profits, except so far as to pay the rent—I do not know who put the furniture in the house, I did not—it does not belong to the prisoner, but to me—I bought it of the prisoner many years ago—I forget what I gave him for it—it was made over to me by a bill of sale—part of the furniture in the house belongs to me, and part to a gentleman of the name of Steel, and part to my sister, which was bought out of the profits of the house—my sister is married to the prisoner—foreigners resort to the house—I do not know whether it was a French or Spanish gentleman who was with me when M'Lean examined the house—the prisoner has not complained to me that I, my sister, and this foreign gentleman had robbed him of the furniture of the business, or are depriving him of it; no such complaint ever reached me—I do not know that the prisoner did a great many repairs to the house when he went in—I did not go to the police-office about this lead; my sister went without me—I do not know that the prisoner put up a new door, and new rollers and brackets, and locks, at his own expense—I very seldom go there—I do not know that he has ever claimed the furniture, as belonging to him—I and my sister have never had any quarrel with him about the furniture—I never repaired the gutters—I do not know whether the prisoner has done any repairs or not—I am certain the gutter did not want repairing—I had only been on the top of the house once before, that was three years ago—I have never been before a Magistrate, except as a witness.

MR. ROBINSON. Q. Was there any agreement in writing by which your

sister was put into this house? A. No; the prisoner was about to emigrate to America, and I put my sister into this house—I have seen the lead left on the top of the house, and judging from that, I should say it did not want repairing—I took the house of Mr. Freeman, and pay him the rent—the prisoner was in prison eighteen months, and returned to his wife four months ago.

WILLIAM PARISH LEE (City-policeman, 346). I went with M'Lean to 22, Earl-street—I searched the house for the prisoner for some considerable time—I went into the kitchen and called "Price!" three or four times, and received no answer—I then asked the servant for a light, to go to the cellar; I went there, found it crammed up, and heard Price say, "I am coming"—he came up, covered with whitewash—I asked him what he was doing there—he said he had been to the water-closet—I fetched the two pieces of lead from Ayles's; I compared them With that on the roof; they corresponded.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you search over the house? A. Yes; the wife remained on the landing—I did not notice any foreign gentleman there—M'Lean and Mr. Struggs were with me—I think a gentleman went up with us to the top of the house—he did not give any orders, or say anything—I cannot tell how he came to go up—the prisoner's wife went up.

MR. PARRY to WILLIAM STRUGGS. Q. Who pays the expenses of this prosecution? A. My sister, out of the profits of the business—I have been to no solicitor about this, my sister has—I have not become responsible in any way for the costs.

MR. ROBINSON. Q. Do you know anything of the foreign gentleman? A. Yes; there is a foreign gentleman, Who has been lodging there some time.

THOMAS FREEMAN . I live at Earl-street, Blackfriars, and hare a lease of this house. I have let it under an agreement to Mr. Struggs—he had no authority to move lead from the top of the house.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you know the prisoner's wife? A. I have seen her; I have never received the rent from her; I always called on Struggs at his place of business—I do not know the prisoner—it has been a lodging-house ever since Struggs took it—the lead was all new before I let the house—I have not done any repairs to it since I let it to Struggs—I had an agreement with them to keep it in repair for three years.

MR. ROBINSON. Q. When was the lead new? A. About four years ago—the gutter could not want any repairs.

RICHARD STEWARDSON . I live at 3, Meeting-house-court, Water-lane, and work for my brother. About two or three months since, I went to 22, Earl-street, to clear away some bottles—on 24th Feb. the prisoner came to me at Mr. Ayles's, 33, St. Andrew's-hill, brought some lead in a basket, and said he had some old lead to sell—I told him Mr. Ayles was out, and had left no money—he said he would leave the lead, he wanted a few shillings, it was his own property, he was going to lay down a new gutter in his house; and said he might as well have the lead as allow the work-people to take it away; I advanced him 4s. 6d. on it—this is the lead.

Cross-examined. Q. You knew him? A. I had seen him, and knew he lived at 22, Earl-street—I went there to assist Mr. Ayles in clearing the place, two or three months before—I did not see his wife then—this is old lead; I should call it very old—it is worth 14s. a cwt., 1 1/2 d. a lb.—it was bought about 3 o'clock in the afternoon—our shop is close to Earl-street—he did not bring the lead concealed at all.

(The prisoner's statement before the Magistrate was read as follows—"March 3rd, 1852.—May it please your Honour, as it lies in your power to decide my

case in this Court, may I pray your Honour that you may so determine the matter, that it may not be committed for trial elsewhere, as I purpose fully to reform, and lead a new life; and grieved I am to state, as your Honour is aware, that this is brought on entirely through the ill feeling of my wife and her brother to ruin me for ever; and may I again beg to assure your Honour that the party are now sorry for their harsh treatment towards me; should the Court decide otherwise than I trust they will, will it please your Honour to accept two substantial bail for my appearance in the case of commitment for trial, taking into consideration my having been already detained upwards of a week in Giltspur-street Compter; may I be allowed to receive the keys of my box from the policeman's custody to deliver them to my brother, to enable me to procure some wearing apparel, &c.; my box having been searched and contents approved of, by Inspector M'Lean.")


OLD COURT.—Thursday, April 8th, 1852.

PRESENT—Mr. Justice TALFOURD; Mr. Baron MARTIN; Sir John KEY, Bart., Ald.; and RUSSELL GURNEY, Esq.

Before Mr. Justice Talfourd and the Fourth Jury.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-395
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-396
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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396. SAMUEL DANDY was indicted for feloniously shooting at William Veale, with intent to murder him.—2nd COUNT, with intent to do grievous bodily harm.

MR. PAYNE conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM VEALE . I live in Acacia-road, St. John's-wood, and am a cowkeeper. On Monday night, 23rd Feb., about 20 minutes past 7 o'clock, I was in the Edgeware-road, about half a mile beyond the fourth mile stone—I passed a man with a white coat and a cap on—I believe the prisoner is the man, but I cannot swear to him; his face was towards the hedge—he walked after me about seventy or eighty yards—I think he was not more than a yard from me—I thought he was going to speak, and looked round—he put his right hand down before him, looked rather towards the hedge, walked on much faster, and passed me—I came on towards London—when I got within about forty or fifty yards of the third mile stone, I heard some one walking behind me quite close to me, and when he came close to me he fired—I think, by the sound of the feet, the person must have been within a yard of me at the time—the flash came round my face, and I was struck just behind the ear with the shots—I think there were at least twenty shots fired into my head—there were three or four taken out of my ear—I bled a good deal—I was stunned, and staggered into the road—I then ran about thirty yards towards London, and I saw some person coming towards me, and I looked up the road and saw a man in a white coat about seventy or eighty yards from me—I did not see any other person between him and me—I told the person I met that I was shot, and said there was the man up the road—I do not recollect that he made me any answer, but he kept on; I thought he might be going after the man, but I did not see anything more of him—I went as fast as I could to Kilburn, to Mr. Deacon's, a friend's house there, and he went with me to a doctor—as I was going I met a policeman—I told him the particulars, and I believe he went to see for the man—I was examined by the surgeon

—it was ten days before I got well—I do not know the prisoner at all—I was examined before the Magistrate, and heard the Magistrate ask the prisoner whether he had any question to put to me—I think the answer he made was, "All that the gentleman has stated is quite true."

JURY. Q. Was it light or dark at the time? A. Quite dark, and there were some high trees just at the place where I was shot, which made it still darker.

ZACHARIAH HOLLIER (police-sergeant, S 27). I took the prisoner into custody at Newport Pagnell, in consequence of a description I had received from inspector Chambers, I went on horseback, and at two or three places on the road I heard of such a man, but did not see him till I got to Newport Pagnell, which is fifty-one miles from London—I was stopping in the street to make inquiry and saw the prisoner coming down the town—I turned into a public-house yard, and stood in the gateway till he came up—I then stopped him, and said, "Where do you come from?"—he said, "From Melton Mowbray"—I said, "What is your name?"—he said, "Charles Williams"—I said, "I am an officer, and you must consider yourself in my custody"—I took him into the public-house, and told him I apprehended him for shooting a gentleman at Kilburn—he said several times, "Oh, you must make a mistake"—I said, "Whether it is a mistake or not, I shall take you back to London"—I said to him, "You lived in this neighbourhood once, did not you?"—he said, "Yes, I did; I lived at the Rev. Mr. Townsend's"—I took him to the station, searched him, and found on him this pistol (produced)—it was loaded with powder and shot; and I found on him a paper containing shot, and a paper containing powder and percussion caps, a penny, a comb, a glove, and an old handkerchief—I brought him to London by the railway—I went to Mr. Veale's house, and saw the surgeon extract this shot (produced) from his ear—I should say it is the same kind of shot that the prisoner had on him—I think it is a No. 5 shot—I was at Bushey on the previous Friday to this, and I fancy I saw the prisoner then; I will not be positive.

THOMAS LISNEY . I live at Crickle wood, which is near Kilburn, and am a journeyman smith. On Monday, 23rd Feb., about half past 3 o'clock in the afternoon, the prisoner came to my shop, brought a pistol, and asked me to unscrew the barrel of it—I did so, and gave it him again—he commenced cleaning it, and in cleaning the nipple, he broke a worsted needle in it—he said, "I have b—it now"—I told him I could unscrew the nipple, and I did so, and cleaned it—he stayed at my place till between 5 and 6—I asked him 1s. for cleaning it—he said, "Not now, I have been out of place, I will give it you when I come this way again"—he gave the name of Herrington—I asked him how he came to buy the pistol, as he had been out of place—he said he had had it by him a long time—I fired the pistol off with powder only—this is the same pistol—I heard, the same evening, of Mr. Veale having been shot, and I described the prisoner to a policeman.

COURT. Q. Where did you get the powder from that you tried it with? A. The prisoner had powder and shot—I did not pot any shot in it.

JAMES WEBB (police-sergeant, S 16). On Thursday, 26th Feb., I was on duty at Portland-town station-house, and saw the prisoner brought there in custody—I sent the sergeant that brought him, to see for Mr. Veale, and while he was gone the prisoner spoke to me—I was writing at a desk—I did not ask him any question, he spoke himself—he said, "Is the gentleman dead that I shot?"—that was the first observation he made—I said, "He is not"—he then said, "If I had stopped in the country I should have done as I ought to have done, but my brothers and sisters were in London, in good service; it is horse racing that has ruined me"—I asked him if he had not lived with Mr. Townsend, of Newport Pagnell—he said he had, and he afterwards

said, I think the words were, "I should not have done as I have done if he had paid me my wages"—I said, "Who?"—he said, "Mr. Dufaur, of 23, Queen Ann-street, Cavendish-square; I went to him on Wednesday week, and asked him to give me a trifle, to pass me down into the country, and he would not gives me a farthing"—he afterwards said he was sure to have been caught, his dress was such a conspicuous dress, and he had no doubt this would be the death of his poor mother—he made these observations at intervals—with the exception of my asking him if he knew Newport Pagnell, he made the statement quite voluntarily.

WILLIAM GROVER CARTER . I am a surgeon, at Manchester-terrace, Kilburn. On Monday evening, 23rd Feb., Mr. Veale was brought to my surgery at a few minutes before 8 o'clock—he was bleeding considerably from several wounds in the neck, which were evidently the result of shot—I extracted one shot; I did not extract any more, because he said he was a patient of Mr. Roberts, of the Finchley-road, and I advised him to get home and see him: they were deeply seated, and I did not think it right to interfere at that time—I have compared the shot I extracted with the others, and I believe them to be the same—I found a small portion of paper in Mr. Veale's coat collar, which is charred, and is evidently a portion of the loading of some fire arms—the wounds were such as would be produced by shot fired from a pistol—the wounds themselves were not serious—he was in a good state of health, as far as I could judge; it was the first time I had ever seen him—I extracted one shot from the back of the neck, and the others were in the immediate vicinity—I did not probe them at all.

COURT. Q. Could you tell at all, at that time, whether any of the other shots could produce danger? A. It is almost impossible to say; erysipelas might have followed—a shot is not fatal in the same way as a bullet is, necessarily—supposing any of these shots had reached the brain it must have been attended with fatal consequences—they were quite on the lower part of the head, not on the forehead at all—there were several open bleeding wound.

(The prisoner's statement before the Magistrate was read, as follows:)—"Well, your Worship, I have been a gentleman's servant; I lived once at Chitsley, three miles off the right of Newport; at the time of living there I had 300l. left me by an uncle; I left my situation on account of having a blood vessel broken on my lungs; I came to London, and was out of a situation some time; I then got into the betting system in horse-racing, and lost my money; I then got into service with Mr. Dufaur, 23, Queen Ann-street—I still continued at the horse-racing, and I was brought before your Worship for robbing him—I was sentenced to six months hard labour—I came out on 17th Feb., and went to Mr. Dufaur's office, 13, South-square, Grays-inn, to ask him to give me a little of my money to pass me into the country, and he would not give me a halfpenny of it; I have a sister living at Bushey, and I got a half sovereign of her, which I bought the pistol with; the same day that I bought it I tried it; I had not money sufficient to pay for a night's lodging; I then took it, after I tried it, to the blacksmith, and he cleaned it for me; he then loaded it and fired it off; I went from the shop about half past 5 o'clock; I loaded the pistol, and then came as far as Kilburn-gate to return to Bushey—I then met the gentleman beyond the four mile-stone—the gentleman then passed me; I followed him at a distance of about twenty yards for a short time, and then passed him, and I believe I got quite out of sight—I put the cap on the pistol—I turned out of the way; the gentleman then passed me—I then followed a short distance till I came to within twenty yards of the third mile stone; I then fired the pistol; the moment it was fired a dog passed; I went on about thirty yards, and the gentleman stood still; I then saw

some one coming up the path—I then took over the hedge and made off, for fear of being detected; a person passed; I then made off for the gentleman again, but he was got out of sight; I then returned to Bushey, and remained there all night; next morning I started and went through Watford, and made no stoppage till I came to Newport, and then I was taken—I have not anything more to say."

Prisoner's Defence. I have been in service for a considerable time; my father was huntsman to his Grace the Duke of Rutland, and having a bit of money left me, I came to London, and first I got in the hone-racing, and lost it; my brothers and sisters would not render me any assistance to get home; I bought this pistol with the money I received from my sister; I am charged now with shooting with intent to murder; but it was not with intent to murder, but merely to obtain a little money.

GUILTY on 2nd COUNT .—(He was further charged with having been before convicted.)

SAMUEL MOYES (policeman, D 14). I produce a certificate (read—William Dandy, convicted at the Central Criminal Court, Aug., 1851; confined six months)—I was present at that trial—the prisoner is the person mentioned.

GUILTY. Aged 24.— Transported for Life.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-397
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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397. WILLIAM FREDERICK HAYNES . was indicted for feloniously setting fire to a stack of hay; the property of Edward Bevan.

MR. BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

CHARLES PEARSON (policeman). On Saturday, 28th Feb., about 11 o'clock at night, I was at Clay-hill, Enfield, near Mr. Bevan's house, which is situated at the road side, with a meadow adjoining, and separated from the road by a close fence about five feet high—there was a haystack in the meadow, about four yards from the fence, and that haystack was on fire, and I saw the prisoner coming in a direction from it—he was about six yards from it, coming towards the fence—when I got up to him he was getting over the fence—I stopped him, and said, "You have been setting that haystack on fire"—he said, "No, I have not, nor did I know it was on fire"—I asked him what he was doing in the field, and he said, "I got over there to ease myself"—I said, "Come and show me where you have done so"—I got over the fence, and we went, but he could not show me where—he said it was near the fence—I found no appearance of it, and, took him into custody—I made him assist me to put the fire out—there was a rake by the side of the stack, which enabled me to pull the hay down, so as to stop it from going further, till I got some water—I alarmed Mr. Bevan's servants, and when they came I said to the prisoner, "Now, in the presence of the butler, show me where you have eased yourself?"—he could not do so, and I then took him to the station, and on searching him, found this knife, a tobacco box, and one lucifer match in it that had not been lighted—I also found this cover of a book, on which there are marks of a lucifer having been rubbed—I also produce some leaves of a tract, and this tobacco pipe I found in his pocket.

Cross-examined by MR. WOOLLETT. Q. Is this on your beat? A. Not now, it was at that time—I did not then know where the prisoner lived—I know now—it is upwards of eighty yards from the stack—there is a public house and some cottages about fifty yards off the stack, and there is a stable opposite, about twenty-four yards from it on the other side of the road—this was only part of a stack, between two and three loads—I had only just come to the spot when I saw the prisoner—it was a moonlight night, almost as light as day—the prisoner assisted me in bringing a can of water to put the fire out—he had to go about a hundred yards for that—he went with me—I had a pail, and he a can—I was able to put it out—I went to the house and

called the servants before I got the water—I put it out, so far as there was no danger, first—a pencil would not make those marks on the cover of the book—I tried it with my finger nail, and found the phosphorous appear—I did not try a match on it—it was in this state when I found it, and the Lucifer match was not in the tobacco box when I found it, it was in his waistcoat pocket.

MR. BODKIN. Q. What part of the stack was alight? A. The back of the stack away from the road, about five feet from the ground; it had caught the thatch—I first got the rake and raked it down, and beat it out as well as I could—I did that before I either called the servants or got the water.

JOSEPH DARNBORO . I am butler to Mr. Edward Bevan, of Clay Hill. The stack is his property, and on land he rents—I remember the policeman giving an alarm—I went out, and found the prisoner and the policeman standing near the stack—the policeman said, "The stack has been on fire, and I saw this young man coming away from the stack; and I said to him, 'You have been and set that stack on fire;' and he said he did not see fire, or did not know it was on fire, or something to that effect"—that he then said to him, "What do you do over there?" and he said he had got over to ease himself; and that he asked him to show him the place, and he could not do so—I went and looked, and there was no appearance whatever—the policeman then took him to the station—there had been water fetched before I arrived at the spot, and the fire was quite out—as soon as the policeman had taken the prisoner to the station, I and William Jones, the footman, went back to the stack, and Jones picked up some papers, and handed them to me—these are them (produced)—they were picked up in my presence, about three quarters of a yard from where the fire had been—there was also a lucifer match found in one of the pieces of paper; it is now broken in pieces, by being pulled about before the Magistrate—I know the prisoner; he lives near—I have compared these papers with some the officer found on the prisoner, and they match, and form part of the same paper.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. This seems to be "The Conversion of Manesaeh?" A. Yes; one of the pages is torn in halves, no part of it is burnt; I have not seen any traces of burning—this part was found lying about three quarters of a yard from the hay-stack, and another piece near it—the lucifer match was found rolled up in that piece of paper—it does not appear to have been lighted.

WILLIAM JONES . I am footman to Mr. Bevan. I went out when the officer gave the alarm about the fire—the prisoner said he went there to ease himself—there was a search made, but there was no evidence of it—I found a paper near the hay-stack, which I gave to the butler, and also a Lucifer match—I went about 7 o'clock the next morning, and found four lacifers near the hay-stack—I gave them to Brooks.

GEORGE BROOKS (policeman). On the morning after the fire, about 7 o'clock, I was with Jones, and I picked up two matches and a piece of paper myself, close to the stack, and about two feet from where the fire was.

EDWARD BEVAN , Esq. I reside at Clay Hill, Enfield. This stack was my property—I hold the land on lease—I do not know the prisoner.

JURY to CHARLES PEARSON. Q. Had he any opportunity of running away from you? A. Not the least; I was about thirty yards from him, and could have prevented him—there is a hedge round the field; he could not very well have got over it.

COURT. Q. How far from the ground was the fire? A. Right at—it was all alight when I went up.

JURY. Q. You said before, it was alight near the thatch, and now you say at the bottom? A. I say it reached as high as five feet; it caught the thatch. (The prisoner received a good character.)


5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-398
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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398. THOMAS LEES . feloniously killing and slaying Mary Higginson: he was also charged on the Coroner's Inquisition with a like offence.

MR. RIBTON conducted the Prosecution.

SARAH HILL . I reside at 4, Devonshire-cottages, Fulham-road, and am the wife of William Hill. On 25th Feb., about ten minutes before 8 o'clock, I was in Leader-street, Chelsea, with my mother—she bad been into an oil shop, and I had remained outside the door—we were in the act of crossing the road, and had got about three yards across, I was a little in advance of my mother—a cab was coming along in a furious manner; the driver was very much intoxicated—I bad not time to get my mother out of the way; but I, being more supple than her, stepped back, or I should have been knocked down—my mother was knocked down, and both wheels of the cab passed over her—I left her lying on the ground, ran after the cab man, and desired him to stop—he took no notice; he whipped his horse, and drove on faster—I followed him; he got into Caroline-place, where there is no thoroughfare, and he was obliged to stop—I returned to my mother; she had been picked up, and was insensible—I took her to Dr. Smith's, in Leader-street, and she was taken from there to the hospital in a cab.

Cross-examined by MR. LAWRENCE. Q. Was not your mother very deaf? A. Not very deaf; she was a little hard of hearing—she was nearly seventy years old—I was with her till about an hour before she died—she inquired what was done with the man, and I told her he was in custody from the night the accident occurred—she did not say it was not the man's fault, is was entirely an accident—she inquired of me if the man was married, and had a family—I said, yes, I believed he had; and she said she did not wish to hurt the man; it would not recall her life, and she had only a few hours to live, and had no ill feeling towards him—she lingered from 25th Feb. to 2nd March—I could not see that the man was intoxicated when he passed, but I could when he was brought back to the doctor's—he was driving furiously, galloping faster than cabmen generally drive—It was a four-wheeled cab—there is room for three or four things to pass in this street—no omnibuses pass there—my mother was generally very careful in crossing streets, but the cab came in an instant on her—I generally went out with her—I had not time to warn her of her danger; the cab was only a few yards off, and I had just time to get out of the way—the horse was galloping when I first saw it, but it was worse after—it was dark, but the gas was very light.

THOMAS LEWIS . I am a groom, and work at Strachan-place, King's-road. On 25th Feb., about 10 minutes to 8 o'clock in the evening, I was in Leader-street, Chelsea, and saw Mrs. Higginson, and her daughter, Mrs. Hill—I saw the cab coming along, at a tremendous pace, about eleven miles an hour, I should say—the horse was galloping—it passed me about twenty yards, and I heard tremendous screaming; turned, and saw the cab going on and the deceased lying down in the street—I followed the cab man, and he was stopped in Caroline-place, which is about 200 yards from where the accident occurred—he got down from the box to let the passengers out—there were three or four females inside, and I then saw he was a little the worse for liquor.

Cross-examined. Q. How did you judge of that? A. By his staggering when he got down—three minutes did not intervene between my first seeing

the cab and the accident—I did not see the deceased knocked down—I was present when the man was stopped, and heard some one tell him he had run over a woman—he made no reply to that—he did not get down off the cab till after the cab was brought back into Leader-street, where he let the persons out—he was driving at an unusual pace for cabs in the streets—I never saw a cab going at that pace before.

COURT. Q. What sort of a place is Caroline place? A. About forty yards wide; it is no thoroughfare.

PHILIP GOSS (policeman, B 52). On 25th Feb., I was in Leader-street, Chelsea—I did not see the accident; I came up when the man was stopped—he was surrounded by a great number of people, at a place called Arborplace, between Leader-street and Caroline-place, about fifty or sixty yards from where the accident occurred—in consequence of what I heard, I said, from information I had received, I believed he had run over a woman—he made no answer—I took him to the surgeon's where the woman was, which was directly opposite where the accident occurred—I heard him asked why he did not stop when he was called out to—I did not hear him make any answer.

Cross-examined. Q. You will not undertake to swear he did not make any answer? A. No; he appeared to be quite drunk, and incapable of driving his cab.

THOMAS THOMPSON . I am house-surgeon at St. George's Hospital. On the evening of 25th Feb the deceased was brought there—I examined her, and she appeared to be suffering from dislocation of the collar-bone and broken ribs, and was treated accordingly—she continued in the hospital till 2nd March, when she died—the immediate cause of death was bronchitis, inflammation of the bronchial tubes—I made a post mortem examination; there was a fracture of the collar bone, and the third, fourth, and fifth ribs were broken in two places—I have no doubt that the accident was the cause of the inflammation of which she died.

Cross-examined. Q. You say she died of bronchitis? A. Yes; that is a very common complaint, especially at this season of the year—a great many persons have died of bronchitis within the last month or so—I connect the inflammation with the accident, because it is a very likely sequence of fracture of the ribs and collar-bone—a very slight membrane separates the ribs and collar-bone from the bronchial tubes—bronchitis is frequently produced by some peculiar state of the atmosphere—the deceased bad been subject to bronchitis—she appeared in serious danger when I first saw her—she was very old, and very thin and emaciated, and asthmatical.

MR. RIBTON. Q. Had she any symptoms of bronchitis when she came first to the hospital? A. She was suffering from extreme pain, great difficulty of breathing, and faintness—I think the bronchitis was aggravated to this fatal extent by the accident.

COURT. Q. In your judgment, would the bronchitis at that time have issued in death if it had not been for the injury received from the accident? A. Certainly not; I think her death was accelerated by the injuries.

MR. LAWRENCE called.

WILLIAM HENRY ARCHETT . I am a greengrocer, and live at 9, Leader-street, Chelsea. On the evening of 25th Feb., about 8 o'clock, or it might be 10 minutes before, I saw a cab go by my door, and I afterwards saw the woman run over—at the time of the accident the cab was going at a pace of about seven or eight miles an hour, not more—not an unusual pace, in my judgment—the horse was cantering—I was standing at my door looking down the street—there was a large truck standing on end with the tailboard on the pavement; the old woman was in the act of stepping into the gutter

as the cab came up, and as the emerged from the track, the cab went over her—in my opinion it was an accident.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. How far do you live from where the accident occurred? A. Four doors—I do not know the prisoner—I never saw him before—I do not consider seven or eight miles an hour an unusual pace for a cab—if any witness has said he was going at the rate of eleven miles an hour, he is wrong in my opinion—the horse was not galloping; I drive a horse myself, and I know what it is—it was a sort of canter, a break out of a trot, it was not a gallop.

COURT. Q. Did you see the prisoner after the accident? A. Yes; at the doctor's—he might have had a little to drink, but he was not so far gone but what he knew what he was about—I do not consider he was in an unfit state to drive—he could stand steadily, and I heard him ask the policeman whether he was to stop or not—he appeared confused.

FREDERICK LITTLER . I am a butcher, at 8, Leader-street, Chelsea, three doors from where this accident happened. I was standing at my door, and saw the cab go by at a rate of seven and a half or eight miles an hour, not more-directly the cab went by I heard some one scream; I went out directly and passed by a female lying in the road—it was a dullish night, not particularly dark, but just where it happened several shops were closed—I fetched the prisoner back—he made no attempt to escape—I knew the deceased—she was old and rather deaf and infirm.

Cross-examined. Q. You say it was between seven and eight miles an hour? A. Yes; I did not hear the last witness examined, I was not in Court—the horse was trotting.

GUILTY . Aged 83.—Strongly recommended to mercy by the Jury. He received a good character.— Confined One Week.

NEW COURT.—Thursday, April 8th, 1852.


Before Mr. Recorder and the Sixth Jury.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-399
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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399. THOMAS WILLIAMS . stealing 1 handkerchief, value 1s.; the goods of William Johnson, from his person: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-400
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceTransportation; Transportation

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400. JAMES MURPHY and JAMES WILLIAMS . were indicted for a burglary in the dwelling-house of Thomas Hampden, and stealing a watch, and other articles, value 3l.; his goods.

MR. O'BRIEN conducted the Prosecution.

ROBERT ADAMS (policeman, B 158). On the morning of 29th Feb. I was on duty in Ebury-square, about 4 o'clock—that is about thirty yards from Mr. Hampden's—I saw the two prisoners coming in a direction from Mr. Hampden's—Murphy had a bundle—I stopped them, put my hand into the bundle, and said, "You are hard at it, mate"—he said, "It is all serene"—that means calm, square, beautiful—the bundle was in a silk handkerchief—I asked him what was in it—he said again, "It is all serene"—I said, "I don't dispute your word, but I may as well have a look"—I found in the bundle some cigars—I said, "I see you have only got a few cigars, but where did you get them?"—he said, "From Hounslow"—the prisoners both attempted to get away—they took a step one each way—I seized them both by their

neck-handkerchiefs, and the bundle fell from Murphy—I called for assistances—Butler came up, and we took them to the station—I think Butler took the handkerchief and cigars to the station—I searched the prisoners—I found on Williams this watch, some matches, a piece of candle, and 5s. 3 1/2 d. in pence and halfpence, and 1s. 6d. in farthings—the watch was secreted between his shirt and his skin—I asked him whose the watch was, and he said it was his own—I found on Murphy this tablecloth, 4s. 3 1/2 d. in pence and halfpence, and 5 1/2 d. in farthings, two knives and a chisel, a stone bottle of shrub, a piece of candle, and some lucifers—I took this silk handkerchief from his neck—I went back to the place where I apprehended the prisoners, and found seven cigars, a pair of scissors and case, and a spoon—Williams' hat fell off where I captured him, and this blue and white handkerchief fell from it.

MR. THOMAS HAMPDEN . I keep the Red Lion, Pimlico, in the parish of St. George, Hanover-square. On Saturday night, 28th Feb., I went to bed about half-past 12 o'clock—I fastened my bar, and locked it up—I was the last person up—I came down in the morning about 9—I found the bar window was up, and the fastening was taken away—it had been fastened by a screw—one of the panes had been broken, and a small hand could go in and take the screw out—I had some coppers in the till, I suppose 11s. or 12s. worth, in pence, halfpence, and farthings—they were all gone in the morning—this watch was on the mantelpiece, in a marble stand—I have had it twenty-four or twenty-five years—I cannot identify this stone bottle—this silk handkerchief, to the best of my belief, is mine—this hat, that fell from Williams, I have worn for two years—I am sure it is mine.

Murphy. Q. That handkerchief belongs to a young man I know; can you swear to it? A. To the best of my belief, it is mine; there is no mark on it.

Williams. Q. What do you swear to the watch by? A. It belonged to my wife; I am positive it is the article that I left in the bar—I have had it twenty-four years—it has always been in that mantelpiece ornament—I do not know what name is in it—I had exactly 1lb. of cigars, and I have no doubt they weigh that weight now—they are exactly the same as I had—I took in this handkerchief on the Saturday night—it belonged to a lodger of mine—it had a clean shirt in it—the shirt was left, but the handkerchief was gone—this tablecloth is mine—it has my initials on it.

WILLIAM MORAN (Police-inspector.) I examined the prosecutor's premises—they were entered through a back yard, through a kitchen window—there were the marks of a knife and a chisel on the bar window—I compared this knife and awl with the marks—they exactly corresponded—this knife was found on Murphy, in my presence.

ROBERT ADAMS re-examined. I found this brad-awl close by where I took the prisoners.

Murphy's Defence. We had been to Knightsbridge to a concert; we were coming home, and met two men; they asked us to carry these things; we were a little intoxicated.



(James Murphy was further charged with having been before convicted).

JAMES KNIGHT (policeman, B 128). I produce a certificate—(read—April 6th, 1847; James Birmingham, convicted at Clerkenwell on his own confession, of stealing a loaf; confined six months)—I was present—Murphy is the man.

MURPHY—GUILTY.* Aged 20.— Transported for Ten Years.

WILLIAMS—Aged 20.— Transported for Seven Years.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-401
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > lesser offence
SentenceTransportation; Transportation

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401. JOHN WALLACE and SOPHIA NEAL were indicted for a burglary in the dwelling house of James Norton, and stealing 29 waistcoats and other articles, value 35l.; the goods of William Underwood.

MR. BIRNIE conducted the Prosecution.

GEORGE DUNHAM (policeman, F 57). On 2nd Feb., from information, I went to 45, Charles-street, Drury-lane—the prisoner Neal resides there—I went up to the second floor front room—the door was shut, and secured with a padlock—I came down stairs, and saw Neal in the street talking to a man; she had something under her apron—she then went into the house, and I followed her in—I bad not spoken to her; I was in plain clothes—I followed her-into the second floor front room, the room that I had previously seen locked—I saw in that room a box with the lid off, and in the box I found twenty-two new waistcoats, three old ones, two new coats, a pair of trowsers, a flannel shirt, a nightcap, a towel, a pair of drawers, three cigar eases, a pocket book, and a leather bag—Neal was present, and two other females—I said to Neal, "Whose things are these?"—she said, "They belong to the owner"—I said, "Whose box is this?"—she said, "Mine"—my brother officer searched another box there, and we took Neal into custody and took away the things—here is a portion of the things, the others were given up—I saw Neal again on 9th Feb.—she had been remanded—while we were in the prisoners' waiting room, she asked me if I had found a prosecutor for the things—I said, "Yes"—she said, "I am d—d if I suffer for all; this job was put up by my old man, Joe; you know him?"—I said, "Yes"—she said, "And a boy we call Ted, who is an apprentice to a gentleman in the City, and a young man, Charley; he has a father, a fireman, at Her Majesty's Theatre"—she afterwards said, "You must have seen my old man; he was speaking to me in the street, and I went with him and he stood some port wine"—I had seen her talking to a man in the street—I do not know that man—it was not Wallace; it was an older man than him—when she said, "You must have seen my old man" I said, "No"—I understood, by her old man, Wallace, because I knew she lived with him, and he always went by the name of Joe Wallace—I knew of my own knowledge that Wallace lived with her—I believe she said, "The job was put up by three others as well as me," or, "This job was put up by me and three others"—I believe those were the words—I believe she said, "As well as me"—I believe, "As bad as me," was the word—I took her to the station, and showed her a coat, a knife, and a small lantern—as soon as she saw the knife, she said, "I know that knife, it is my old man's; I have used it frequently, and can swear to it, the lantern belongs to a child, and he must have taken it there"—this knife and lantern were found on the prosecutor's premises.

WILLIAM TROUGHTON LANGLEY (police-sergeant, F 42). I went to Neal's house, and searched one box—I found in it four coats, three new waistcoats, one old waistcoat, three new straw hats, a screw driver, saw, hammer, and other carpenter's tools—I know both the prisoners well—they live in the same room, the second floor front room, at 45, Charles-street—on 14th I apprehended Wallace at a public house, called Probin's Stores, in High Holborn—I said to him, "Joe, I want you"—he said, "All right; I heard you war after me"—I said, "I suppose you know what for?"—he said, "All right; but I thought it was my game to keep out of the way"—there were two other females in custody besides the prisoners; they were the two women who were in the room on the morning of 2nd Feb.—I heard Neal say to one of the women, who is her sister, "Don't you fret, I will get you out of it;

what a fool I was to let my old man go"—Ellen Powell, who was sitting there, heard it.

COURT. Q. Did she say when she let him go? A. When the policemen were coming up stairs; that was after we found the goods—when they were sitting in the waiting room at the office, she said, "I suppose I shall get layged," or, "I suppose I shall get sent away for this."

Wallace. Q. You say she said, "What a fool I was to let my old man go;" how do you know she meant me? A. I always knew you lived with her—I have known you about four years—you have been living together at different times, when you had the opportunity.

COURT. Q. Has he lived at that place all that time? A. No; he had lived in that room on two different occasions—he has lived there six months the last time.

HELEN POWELL . I live at 45, Charles-street. I know both the prisoners—I know that they were living together as man and wife—I lived in the same room—I left it when the constables came and took me—I was in the room when the constables came—I saw them search the boxes, and these things produced taken out; I had not seen them before—I do not know what trade the prisoners follow, or how they get their living—on the afternoon of 1st Feb. I saw Wallace go out about 6 o'clock—on the day the officers came, I saw Wallace about three minutes before the officers came up—I was asleep, and was awoke by the door opening.

COURT. Q. Were you not awake before they came up? A. I was awoke by the opening of the door; I saw Wallace at the door, and the constables came up—I saw Wallace go out about 6 o'clock in the evening—I did not get home till about 5 in the morning—I saw Wallace and the woman in bed together—I went to bed at 5 o'clock, and went to sleep—I was awoke by the opening of the door, and I saw Wallace standing at the door—he did not come into the room, he went out—Neal was up, and she remained in the room—the officers came into the room in about three minutes afterwards; they were coming up the stairs at the time.

Wallace. Q. How long did you live with me and Neal? A. About a fortnight; I lived with you both about a fortnight previous to my going to Grays-inn-lane Hospital—I lived about a month with you—I went into the hospital about a month before Christmas—I came out in January—I did not pay you any particular sum for my lodging—I gave you my money, what I had given me; I paid you a great deal while I was with you—when the police came up, me, and Neal, and her sister were in the room—the police came about 7 o'clock in the morning—there were three in the room when they came, and one outside.

WILLIAM UNDERWOOD . I am a tailor, at 145, Fleet-street—I reside in Frith-street, Soho-square—I left my premises, in Fleet-street, at 10 o'clock on Sunday night, 1st Feb.—I locked them myself, and saw them secure—I occupy the shop and cellar—no one belonging to me sleeps on the premises—there is a dwelling-house up stairs—there is no door from my shop to the other premises—there is no communication between my shop and the top of the premises—the cellar is covered with a grating—I saw the grating fast when I left—the policeman came to my house, in Frith-street, about 2 in the morning—I went to the premises with him—I found the grating had been wrenched up—I missed a great number of articles—the articles produced are mine—they were on the premises on the night in question—I reckoned at the time that the articles I missed were worth about 35l., but I have missed

one since—I missed twenty-five waistcoats, eleven coats, three pairs of trowsers, and I found one pair torn to pieces, they were not torn when I left them—I missed seventeen yards of cloth—Mr. Bowman is my landlord—he does not live in the house, but four or five doors off.

COURT. Q. Did you take the key away with you on Sunday night? A. Yes, both the keys—the grating was a new one, which I had had put—it was not a moveable one, it was fixed in the stonework—this pair of trowsers have my name on them—this waistcoat has my private mark—they have taken the private marks off some of the articles, but this one button has my name on it—this knife was picked up in my cellar by the officer, in my presence, near the grating.

JOHN HINE JOHNSON (City-policeman, 43). On Sunday night, 1st Feb., I went to the prosecutor's premises, between 12 and 1 o'clock—I found the grating wrenched up—it is up the corner of Three Falcon-court, Fleet-street—I went into, the cellar—I found a quantity of coats and other things strewed about—I went up stairs, and found an entrance had been made into the shop by removing a panel, cutting through some green baize, and withdrawing a bolt—I went to Mr. Underwood, in Frith-street—he accompanied me back—we examined, and in the cellar I found these two pairs of trowsers and this coat, and on the counter, in the shop, I found this small lantern.

COURT. to MR. UNDERWOOD. Q. Do you know this coat and trowsers found in the cellar? A. No; but by what I have heard since, I suppose they belonged to a discharged errand boy of mine, Edward Horraby.

NEWMAN ALLEN (City-policeman, 323). I saw the prosecutor's premises all secure about 9 o'clock at night, and I saw the grating was broken about 12.

Wallace. Q. Did you see me that night? A. No.

COURT to HELEN POWELL. Q. Do you know this knife? A. Yes, I have seen it before, it belongs to Wallace—I am sure of that—I do not know this lantern.

Wallace. I wish to retract my plea, and plead Guilty; Powell was an accessory before and after the fact: she had been kept by me by a system of plunder, knowing the same, for about three months.

The prisoner Neal, in her defence, put in a letter from herself to her father and mother, in which she stated that she was out with Powell and her sister till 12 o'clock on Sunday night; that John Wallace took the room of the Deputy, and paid him 2s. 6d. back rent that he owed him, and 1s. deposit for the room; the young men, Ted and Charley, used to come to the plate to see Powell; they came up on Sunday to tea, and Ted said he had some clothes that he wanted to fetch from his master's, and asked Wallace and Charley if they would go with him; they said yes, and went, and John Wallace turned back and got his lantern and knife, and said he wanted them; that Wallace said to the apprentice, "Don't let the females know too much of what you have got to say;" that at 5 o'clock on Monday morning Powell came home, as she was a girl on the streets; John Wallace got out of bed and let her in, and dressed himself, and went out, and came in again at 7 o'clock, and he asked if she would get up to get the breakfast, which she did, and they then went into a public house and had a glass of port wine and water; in going down Charles-street, he said, "You go in first, and I will come after, for I want to see who those two men are watching;" that he came up stairs after her, stood at the room door, and said, "I suppose this is them;" he then made his escape, but she did not know how; before that, she was going to the box, and he told her not to open it; she asked him why, and he

said there were some things in it he did not want her to see and which belonged to Ted and Charley, and they would come soon and take them away; and that she did not know what was in them till the officer came.

HELEN POWELL re-examined by NEAL. I was in Neat's company on the night before I left her, and her sister about 8 o'clock—I did not see her after that—I heard Neal had been inquiring after me about 12, but I did not see her.

The prisoner Neal called

SARAH NEAL . I am the mother of Sophia Neal—she was in my company on the Sunday night on which the robbery was committed, till about 9 o'clock—she left me with her sister Betsey—I did not see her after 9.

COURT to MR. IMDERWOOD. Q. How long before was your lad sent away? A. Five or six weeks—he was not turned away suddenly—I believe the clothes left in my cellar belonged to him, from what I have heard from his father—they are not like what he wore with me—his father identified these clothes from ray description of them—he said they were the same sort of clothes his boy had worn.

WILLIAM WEST (police-sergeant, 7 F). I produce a certificate of Neal's conviction at this Court—(read—convicted, June, 1849, confined one year)—she is the woman.

CHARLES PATIENCE (policeman, 399 A). I produce a certificate of Wallace's conviction at Guildhall, Westminster—(read—convicted Nov 1846, confined three months)—I was present—he is the man.

GEORGE BASHFIELD . I produce a certificate of Wallace's conviction at Clerkenwell (read—convicted, June, 1847, confined six months)—he is the man—I have known him since I have seen him, when he has not been in prison.

WALLACE— GUILTYof Burglary. Aged 32.— Transported for Ten Years.

NEAL— GUILTY of Receiving. Aged 23.— Transported for Seven Years.

Before Mr. Baron Martin.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-402
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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402. HENRY SCOTT, SAMUEL GRADY, HENRY PARSONS . and THOMAS HENRY KNIGHT . breaking and entering the dwelling of Esther Hooper, and stealing there from a half sovereign and other monies: her property.

SCOTT pleaded GUILTY .** Aged 18.— Confined Twelve Months.

MR. PLATT conducted the Prosecution.

ESTHER HOOPER . I am a widow, and live at No. 20, Artillery-lane—I keep a grinder's shop, and sell nails—Scott lived in my house with his father and mother, in the front room, on the first floor, which adjoins my bedroom, which is the back room—on 25th Feb. I bad 3l. 10s. in silver, two sovereigns and a half sovereign, in a drawer in my bedroom, wrapped in separate papers—I saw them safe on Wednesday 25th Feb., and on Thursday night between 9 and 10 o'clock I went to the drawer to get change, and then for the first time I missed the money, all but the two sovereigns which were left—I also found my things strewed about the drawer, as if some one had been there—I had locked the door of my bedroom, and kept the key in my pocket—when I went to get the change this drawer had been forced open—two pincushions which I bad where the money was, were gone—I know the pincushions again, these are them (produced)—about 7 on the Thursday night the prisoner Knight came into my shop, for a halfpennyworth of nails—I served him—he returned again with them, and wanted them changed, and I did change them—after Knight was

gone, Parsons came in for a halfpenny worth of nails—I served him, and he went away—the window of my bedroom was shut, and fastened with two screws—when I went into the room to look for the money, the window was left open, and the flowerpots were knocked about—about half an hour after Knight and Parsons had bought the nails, I went down in my kitchen, and I heard, or fancied I heard, some one in my yard behind my house—I went with the candle, and Scott was coming in out of the yard—I said, "What do you do there?"—he made no answer but walked right through into the street—these are the two pincushions I had in the drawer—I have had them a great many years—these (produced) are the kind of nails that I sold.

JOSEPH WARD (city-policeman 628). From information, I went on Thursday, 26th Feb., about half past 9 o'clock, after the prisoners—I found Grady in a lodging house, in Goulstone-street, Whitechapel—I asked him if he had been in company with Scott—he said, "Yes"—I told him I should take him into custody for robbing an old woman in Artillery-lane—I asked him if be knew Scott was in custody—he said, no, he did not know that—as I was conveying him to the station, I saw him fumbling at his trowsers pocket—I took hold of his band, and took two pincushions from him—he told me he had received them from Scott, and Scott committed the robbery—I took him to the station—I then went in search of Parsons—I apprehended him in Duke-street, Union-street, Bishopsgate—I asked him if he had been in company with Scott and Grady—he said he had—I told him I should take him into custody, on suspicion of robbing an old woman in Artillery-lane—he denied all knowledge of it—I searched him—I found on him a packet of nails, a tin box, a duplicate, and a halfpenny—when I took the nails, he said he had purchased them at the old woman's to mend his shoes—I went after Knight, and apprehended him in Whitecross-place, Finsbury—he was in bed—he got up, and I asked him if he had been in company with Scott, Grady, and Parsons—he said he had—I asked him how long he had left Scott—he said about 7 o'clock—I asked how long he had left Parsons—he said he had not long left him—I told him I should take him into custody—while he was dressing, I saw him concealing something under the bed—I pulled up the bed, and saw it was a packet of nails—he also produced this staple—he said it was what Scott committed the robbery with, while he and Parsons were purchasing nails—I have compared the mark on some drawers in the prosecutrix's house with this instrument, and they correspond exactly—I matched it with them on 27th Feb.—I examined the back of the premises, and found some marks on the tiling and wall—they must have got on a dust bin, from there to a washhouse, or leanto, and from there to a first floor window—it could be opened without force; there are two screws, but it is very old, and could be opened without difficulty—I did not observe any marks of violence on the window—I saw marks of dirty feet on a chair.

WILLIAM SMITH (city-policeman 656). I took Scott into custody—he lodges at the prosecutrix's house.

THOMAS PEARCE . I live with my father, in Artillery-street—I have known the prisoners these three years—on Thursday, 20tn Feb., about 7 o'clock in the evening, I saw them opposite Mrs. Hooper's shop, in Artillery-lane, they were talking together—I spoke to them—I afterwards saw them leave each other, and about five minutes afterwards, Knight went into Mrs. Hooper's shop—I saw him come out—he came over, and I asked him what he was going to do with the nails—he said to put them in his shoes—all the prisoners were there then but Scott—Knight went over to Mrs. Hooper's shop again, and then, when he came out, Parsons went there—Scott came out

afterwards, and said, "It is all serene"—they all joined together, and went down Sandy's-row.

COURT. Q. Are you sure Scott said, "It is all serene?" A. Yes; I did not say that before the Magistrate—I did not think of it.

GRADY— GUILTY . Aged 14.



Confined One Month.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-403
VerdictNot Guilty > directed

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MR. O'BRIEN, for the prisoner, pleaded autre fois acquit, he having been previously tried for unlawfully obtaining the property in question. Issue being joined by MR. BALLANTINE for the prosecution, the Jury were sworn to try the question; and MR. BARON MARTIN directed them to find a verdict for the prisoner.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-404
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404. WILLIAM WILLIAMS and JAMES GREEN . stealing 1 shawl, value 1l. 3s. 6d.; the goods of Charles Glenny.

GEORGE SCOTT city-policeman 560). On Tuesday night, 16th March, I was on duty in Gracechurch-street—I saw the prisoners going up Grace-church-street in company—they were walking together, nothing more—I observed that Williams had this parcel—he was carrying it under his arm, tied up in this apron—I followed them, and ultimately stopped them in St. Mary Axe—I seized hold of Williams—Green ran away—I took this parcel from Williams, and asked him where he got it—he said he picked it up in Leadenhall-market—I took him to the station—he was searched—nothing was found on him.

HENRY WEBB (city-policeman 524). I was with the last witness—I saw him apprehend Williams—I pursued Green—I took him in Brown's-buildings—I asked him what they had in the parcel—he said he did not know what it was, but he picked it up in Leadenhall-market—I took him to the station.

JOHN LEE . I am in the employ of Mr. Charles Glenny, of Lombard-street, he is a hosier. I saw this shawl in the doorway, inside the shop, on 16th March, at five minutes before 6 o'clock—I know the time, because it was the time I lighted the lamp at the door—I am sure I saw the shawl there when I lighted the lamp—I missed it at a quarter past 6—I saw the prisoner Green about the shop about half past 5—I had never seen him before.

COURT to GEORGE SCOTT. Q. What o'clock was it when you saw the prisoners walking together? A. A quarter past 6.


GREEN— GUILTY .* Aged 14.

Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-405
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405. WILLIAM CHANDLER . stealing 1 cow, value 14l.; the property of Joseph Pickett. 2nd COUNT: receiving the same.

MR. O'BRIEN conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM WILLIS . I am a drover, and live at Dalston. I have been in the habit of driving cattle for Mr. Pickett for seven or eight years—on Friday, 19th March, I took ten cows to Smithfield for him—he went there with me himself—there were nine milch cows and one brown cow—Mr. Pickett remained till near 3 o'clock; he then left roe—the price that was fixed on for the brown cow, or heifer, was 14l. 10s., or 14l.—the others were to average about 12l. each—I saw the prisoner in the course of the day—he made a bidding for three of the cows, but the red cow was not one of them—

I refused his bidding; I did not sell him any cow that day—I did not receive any money from him—I did not enter into any bargain for the tale of a cow with him—about 4 o'clock, I sold one of the cows, and went into the Bull, public-house in St. John-street, to receive the money for it—I had driven the cattle out of the market, and the cows were all safe when I went into the Bull, which is, perhaps, 100 or 120 yards from Smithfield—I left Cunningham, the drover, in charge of the cows—when I came out of the Boil, the cows were standing in front of the door, and we drove up St. John-street—the officer would not let them stand any longer—they were driven up Sutton-street, to be milked there; and after that, they were driven to Aylesbury-street—after they got to the bottom of Aylesbury-street, I counted them, and the red cow was missing—the drover was then pone—I went back to Mr. Curry's, at whose place the cows had been milked, and made a communication to him—I saw the red row again on the Monday following at Mr. Amos's shed, at Stepney; it was the same I bad missed.

COURT. Q. Do you know the man to whom you sold the other eow? A. Yes; to William Connor.

JURY. Q. Were you sober all that day? A. Yes.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. There is no doubt about that? A. No, Sir, not a bit—I had been at Smithfield all that day—I go every Friday—I intend to go next Friday—I sold the one cow for 11l.; I took 10l., and was to receive the other sovereign the next morning—I received that sovereign Ist Monday week—I gave it to my master—I should think it was about half-past 3 o'clock when I left the market on that Friday—I got to my master's about 6, or a little alter—he lives at Hampstead—I have been in the habit of selling cows for him, and for other persons as well—I sold a calf but only one cow that day—I got to my master's between 6 and 7—I do not know exactly the time; it was not 7—I had drunk a glass or two of ale that day with different persons, "we are obliged to do so—I cannot say bow many I drank with—I was in the market at 10—I cannot say how many I drank with from 10 till 4—I had had one half-pint of beer at Hampstead before I went to the market, and no more—I did not begin to drink as soon as I got to the market—it might be 11 before I had my first glass of ale there—I do not know that I had anything in she meantime—I will not swear that I had not—I did not drink with as many as twenty persons that day—I cannot tell how many I drank with—I perhaps went into two, or three, or four public-houses—I went into a public-house in Sutton-street—I did not see John Vann, the drover; I never saw him—I was in a public-house in Sutton-street between 3 and 4; Connor, the man who bought the cow, was with me; I will swear I never saw Chandler with me—I dare say I had drank a glass of gin that day—I cannot say how many glasses—I did not have any before I went to the market—I think the first glass I had was with Chandler; he and I and a butcher went and had a quartern at a public-house in Smithfield, just by where the cows stood—I trill not swear that I had not any other gin in the whole of the day—I did not stop in any public-house after I was in the Sun, in Sutton-street—the boy was with me, who had come to meet me in Smithfield—I had had my lunch in Smithfield—I possibly might have a pint of beer with it—I sometimes have a pork pie—I swill ewear I was not drinking porter, gin, and ale, with as many as twenty persons that day—I will not say how many I was drinking with; I will say it was not twenty—I cannot tell whether a single hour passed without my drinking—I was perfectly sober—Chandler did not in my presence say he had paid me 6l. for this, and that he was to pay the other five—I was in the police-station

when he was taken into custody—I have never said to any one that I sold this cow to Mr. Chandler—I do not know Mr. Bunn, or Mr. Adland—I might know them by sight, not by name—(they were here called in)—I saw them on Tuesday evening—I never said to them, or to any one, that I sold this cow to Mr. Chandler on that day.

SAMUEL CURRY . I am a cow keeper, and live at 29, Great Sutton-street. I was in Smithfield-market on 19th March—I saw the prisoner in St. John-street—he bid Willis 30l. for three cows—he wished to pay a part, to pay 22l—Willis said he could not do anything of the kind, as Mr. Pickett was not there—he said he would not sell the cows without the money—he said, "Come to Mr. Pickett in the morning"—Willis was sober—I saw the red cow in John-street—my attention was called to it, because it slipped down in John-street, near the Bull—Willis drove the cows to my place in about ten minutes afterwards, and in about a quarter of an hour he came and told me he had missed one.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you been drinking with Willis that day? A. I had a glass or so with him, when we went in a place to sell a fat cow—I had perhaps had a drop with one or two persons in business—I drank with Willis because we met in the house—he did not buy my cows, and had nothing to do with mine—the cows I sold that day were my own.

EDMUND AMOS . I am a cowkeeper, and live in Charles-street, Stepney. On Saturday, 20th March, I met the prisoner in a public house—he asked me whether I would be the buyer of a cow or two—he had four cows—I pitched on one, which was a red cow—he asked me 13l. 10s. for it—I gave him 10l. 10s., and a little set off, which made 10l. 15s.—I bought the cow on the Monday—she remained with me till Mr. Pickett came and saw her—she is there now.

Cross-examined. Q. You selected this one cow? A. Yes; I might have had one of the others—I have knows Mr. Chandler ever since I have been in London, ten or eleven years—he is a respectable man in his business—I do not believe him capable of stealing a cow—I have known him an honest man, he has been a cowkeeper—I have bad dealings with him, buying and selling cows—there was nothing in this transaction out of the way—he displayed no anxiety to sell this cow—it was in the ordinary and regular course of business.

MR. O'BRIEN. Q. What time was this? A. About 7 o'clock on Saturday night—I saw the cow that night—the prisoner lives about five minutes' walk from me—he told me he got the cows from Smithfield on the Friday—he did not tell me from whom he got them—I think it is two years since I bought cows of him before—I cannot say whether I bought them at a public-house—I went to his shed to look at them—the 5s. that I owed him was for milk and grains.

COURT. Q. Did you offer him ten guineas on the Saturday night? was the bargain then made? A. No, the bargain was made on the Monday—he said on the Saturday night he would not take the ten guineas.

CHARLES CUNNINGHAM . I recollect Friday, 19th March, being with Willis—I was left in charge of some cows in St. John-street when he went into the Bull public house—I saw the prisoner along with Willis—there were ten cows there—I went with them as far as Aylesbury-street—after they left St. John-street, they went up Sutton-street—there was a drover with the prisoner—I know a man bought a cow from Willis—I delivered that cow to the man—I delivered no other cow whatever—neither of the cows were missed when I left, that I know of—there was a boy with them.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you not heard the prisoner offer some money for cows to Willis? A. Yes; that was in St. John-street—he offered 22l. for some cows—Willis said, "I would rather not sell them, come to my master."

JOSEPH PICKETT . I am a fanner, and lire in Pond-street, Hampstead. I sent ten cows to market on 19th March—there were two red cows—the price of one was 14l. 10s.—I left the market at 2 o'clock, and left the cows in charge of Willis—he has done business for me between nine and ten years—I am not able to say what time the cows got home that evening—I was not at home—it was something like 7 o'clock—I heard of the cow being missed about 9 in the evening—in consequence of information, I went to Mr. Amos's place on the Monday evening—Willis had been there in the rooming—I saw my cow there, and she is there still—one of. my cows had been sold after I left, for 11l.—I received 10l., and I have received the remainder since—Willis told me what he had sold the cow for, and what he had received.

Cross-examined. Q. Who first told you a cow was missed, was it Willis? A. No; he was gone to the green yard to seek it—I received information from Willis, that took me to Amos.

MR. PARRY to WILLIAM WILLIS. Q. From whom did you receive information? A. From a person named Neal, in the market, on Monday morning.

JURY. Q. Where did you miss the cow on Friday? A. Near Aylesbury-street—I heard from Neal that Chandler had bought three cows, and had driven home four—I went to Chandler's, I saw a boy there, and three cows—I said, "Are these all the cows you have?"—he said, "No, you will find one at Mr. Amos's."

WILLIAM SMITH (police-sergeant, K 28). I apprehended the prisoner on the morning, of 23rd March, at the Horse and Leaping Bar, in High-street, Whitechapel—I told him he must consider himself in custody for stealing a cow—Mr. Pickett was waiting outside the door—when we got out, the prisoner said to Mr. Pickett, "You were not with the cows, do you charge me with stealing the cow?"—he said, "I have done so"—we went to the station, and the prisoner said, "I had the cow of your man (pointing out Willis)—I was to give him 11l., I have given him 6l., and was to give him the rest"—he said the day, but I do not remember what day he said he was to give it him.

Cross-examined. Q. Willis heard him say this distinctly at the station? A. Yes; Willis made no reply.

Witnesses for the Defence.

JAMES GORDEN . I am a drover, No. 1,036. I remember Friday, 19th March—I was looking for a job in Smithfield—I know Mr. Chandler and I know Willis—I saw them together that day—they went into the Black Bull, in St. John-street, about half past 3 or a quarter to 4 o'clock—Mr. Chandler shortly afterwards came out—he told me to drive this brown cow home; he had bought it—I drove it home to Oxford-street, Jubilee-street, Stepney.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. It was a brown cow, was it? A. Yes; I only drove one cow home that day—I got it out of John-street—it was separate from the other drove of cows, standing by itself, facing the Bull—there were some more cows just by, but it was apart from the other cows—I had not been with Mr. Chandler all day—he first spoke to me about the cow about 3 o'clock in the afternoon—he spoke to me about driving home the cow about half an hour before be gave me the cow in charge—I was in St. John-street when he spoke about driving home the cow—I remained in the

same place for the half hour—he pointed out the cow to roe when he first spoke to me, and in the place where it was—I did not go into the public house at all—I left Smithfield about half past 2 or a quarter to 3—I left because they were about turning the things out—I wanted a little job, and I walked up St. John-street—Cunningham was with the cows; he was with the cow that I got charge of—there were about half a score of cows—they were altogether when I was first spoken to—I separated the one cow from the others—I went and drove her out of the drove, while they were standing before the Bull—Willis was not in the public-house then, he was outside—he saw me drive the cow away—he was standing by Mr. Chandler at the time I took the cow away—I have no doubt he saw me drive it away; Cunningham also saw me drive it away—I drove it to Mr. Chandler's place in Oxford-street, Jubilee-street—I believe there was another drover with Mr. Chandler and Willis—Mr. Chandler told me he had bought that cow half an hour before I took it away—he did not tell me how many he bad bought—I have driven cows home for Mr. Chandler for eight or nine years—I had driven for him about a fortnight before—I did not drive three cows for him at a time—I did not go into the public house at all—Willis and Cunningham saw me drive the cow away.

COURT. Q. You said the cow was standing apart? A. It was standing by itself; the others were near there—I separated them.

MR. O'BREIN. Q. Did it take you some time so separate them? A. Yes; I went in and separated it, and beat the other cows away.

COURT. Q. Do you really mean to adopt this gentleman's question, that you went in and separated it by beating the other cows away? A. Yes.

MR. O'BRIAN Q. I understand you, that immediately when the bargain, as you say, was made, and when the half hour had ended, you bad then to go in and separate the cow by driving the others away? A. Yes.

COURT. Q. Did you, when Mr. Chandler came out and said he bad bought the cow, go in and drive the others away? A. Yes; I had not driven the cow before the prisoner came out of the public-house—that is the truth.

MR. O'BRIAN Q. Was it after Willis and Mr. Chandler came out of the public house that you went in and separated the cow and drove her home? A, Yes; when I was separating them, those two men Were there—this was last Friday, fortnight—I believe it was to-day that I first heard I was coming to give evidence—I heard that I was to come to give evidence yesterday—that is true.

MR. PARRY Q. Did you see Willis outside when you drove this cow? A. Yes; the drover, Cunningham, was there—Mr. Chandler spoke to me before he Went into the Black Bull, then he went in and remained about ten minutes, and when he came out he told me to drive the cow home—he said he had bought the brown cow, and told me to take it home—I have been a drover eight or nine years—I have a badge; Mr. Shanks, the clerk of the market, gave it me—I first came here as a witness on Tuesday—Mr. Chandler told me to come—he sent for me.

JOHN VANN I am a cattle drover, No. 526. I was attending Smithfield Market on 19th March, last Friday fortnight—I know Mr. Chandler, Willis and Gordon—T saw Gordon that day drive away a cow from opposite the Black Bull, in St. John-street—that was from half-past 3 to 4 o'clock—when he drove it away, Willis and Mr. Chandler were standing together at the door—I was there also—Willis must have heard Mr. Chandler say to the boy, "Drive this cow away"—Mr. Chandler made the remark, "Gordon, I have

bought that brown cow, take it home"—Willis matt have heard Mr. Chandler say that—he was close to him—after this, the cow was driven away.

Q. Did you see any money pass at any time from Mr. Chandler to Willis? A. I saw Willis and Mr. Chandler standing at the bar of the Black Bull having a quartern of gin, and I saw Mr. Chandler put something into Willis's band, whether it was money I cannot tell; it passed from one hand to the other—that was before they came out—I should think in five or six minutes afterwards they came out, and Mr. Chandler ordered Gordon to drive the cow borne.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIAN. Q. Who was at the bar besides Willis and Mr. Chandler? A. I did not take notice—I think a female was behind the bar, serving—I opened the door to look in to ask for a job—I saw something pass from Mr. Chandler's hand to Willis—I had not been in that day before—I did not go in afterwards—I saw it just at that moment—there were one or two persons in the house—I cannot tell whether there were three or four, or a dozen—Mr. Chandler came and said, "Gordon take that cow home, I have bought it," pointing to a brown cow which was standing apart from the others at the time—it was standing a little way from the others, not to say apart, it was separate from the others—it was a brown cow—I have not seen that cow again—I did not drive anything home that day—I and Willis and Mr. Chandler, and the gentleman that bought the cow at Paddington, all walked up as far as Little Sutton-street, where the cows were to be milked—I milked some myself—I did not hear any bargaining for cows as we went up, but up in Sutton-street I heard the prisoner ask Willis if he would take a bill for three cows—I suppose we were along with Willis an hour or an hour and a half—I went to the bottom of Aylesbury-street, quite on to Clerken well-green—I went up Sutton-street, because Mi. Chandler asked me to go and ask Willis if be would take a bill for three cows—I went as far as Clerken well-green, and me and Mr. Chandler came back—I did not hear the cow was missed in Aylesbury-street—I did not bear of the cow being missed till the Tuesday—Mr. Chandler told me he had been excused for stealing the cow.

MR. PARRY Q. Did you know that Willis had cows to sell? A. Yes; I know of Mr. Chandler having bought cows.

JOHN BOMS . I am a milkman—I know Mr. Chandler—I think it was last Monday fortnight that I first heard he had been accused of this—I saw Willis at the Mercers' Arms, public house, in Jubilee-street, last Monday fortnight, in company with Mr. Pickett—I heard some remarks there about this cow, but paid no attention to it—that was in the Mercers* Arms—on the following Tuesday I saw Willis at the corner of Arbour-street, opposite the Prince of Wales, at Stepney—a friend of mine, Mr. Adland, said to Willis, "It is a bad job about this cow; the cow was sold, but you are afraid you will not get the money"—Willis said, "It is"—we all went over to the public house, and there was nothing followed after-"that was all I heard Willis say about this matter.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. What brought you to Arbour-square? A. Hearing of the circumstance, fancy led us to go there; this was previous to Mr. Chandler's case going before the Magistrate—Adland and I had had a few words about it—we were standing in Patterson-street—I saw Willis opposite, and I said, "We will go and speak to him"—Adland said, "This is a bad job; the cow was sold, but you are afraid you will not get the money"—he said not a word more in my pretence—I and Adland, and two others that were with Willis, went to a public-house, and had some porter

—I remained with Adland for hours—I did not know Willis before—I said to Adland, "He is at the corner; we will go and speak to him"—I had heard at that time that Mr. Chandler said he had bought the cow, and it was out of curiosity that I went to speak to Willis—I had no other motive, only just to know how the affair went on—Adland and I had just spoken about Mr. Chandler.

COURT. Q. How did you know Willis? A. I had seen him on the Monday night, in the Mercers' Anns, with Mr. Pickett.

MR. O'BRIEN. Q. Did you know then that Mr. Chandler had been given into custody? A. He was not in custody on the Monday; I heard on the Tuesday that he had been charged with stealing a cow—I did not hear anything about a stolen cow on the Monday.

COURT. Q. Are you a friend of Chandler's? A. Yes.

MR. PARRY Q. How long have you known him? A. Three or four years; he has borne the character of an honest man; and knowing him, I feel an interest in this matter.

COURT. Q. Why did you not go before the Magistrate and tell this? A. We went, but were not allowed to speak; Mr. Pelham acted for him before the Magistrate—he asked the other parties, but he did not us.

JURY. Q. Were you there? A. Mr. Pelham said there were two parties in the Court, and he did not wish for other evidence to be taken—I under stood that.

MR. PARRY. Q. Were you in attendance, to be called if Mr. Pelham hought fit? A. I was.

HUGH ADLAND . I am a cow-keeper—I have known Mr. Chandler about twelve months—I have not known much of him till about two months ago—he has borne an honest character, as far as I know; I never knew any other—I knew Willis before this matter—I was with Willis a fortnight last Tuesday, down against the station—Bunn stood about two yards off me—I told Willis I thought this was a very poor piece of business—he said, "Yes"—I said, "I suppose you were tipsy at the time you sold this cow?"—he said, Yes, I sold the cow, and all we want is the money for her"—he said, "Do you know Bill Neal, in the country?"—I said, "Yes"—he said, "He put roe up to this to get the cow back again"—that was all the conversation we had.

JURY. Q. Did you ever buy any cows of Willis? A. I have bought of Pickett; I never dealt with Willis.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIAN Q. What time was this? A. About half-past 10 o'clock in the morning; I did not know that Chandler was to be examined that day on a charge of stealing the cow—I had not heard it—I do not know that Bunn and I had mentioned it—it might have been spoken of; I did not notice it; I was attending to my business at the time—I think it was mentioned, but I am sure I could not say.

Q. What did you mean by saying, "It is a bad business?" A. I think Mr. Amos had mentioned it to me in the morning, while I was milking; I never knew the prisoner was charged with stealing the cow.

Q. What did you mean by saying, "This is a poor piece of business?" A. I thought there was a mistake; Bunn and I had not been speaking about Chandler's affair before I spoke to Willis—we had never mentioned a word—after this, Willis, and Mr. Pickett, and Mr. Bunn, and me, went and had a drop of porter—I did not go in with Mr. Pickett; he was in when I went in—Mr. Pickett asked me to have a drop of porter—I did not exactly go in with them—I cannot say who went in with me; Mr. Bunn, I think it was.

COURT. Q. Were you and he together for hours afterwards? A. No? I was about my business.

MR. O'BRIEN. Q. How long did you remain? A. I cannot tell I should think about a quarter of an hour—I went to the police-office; I can not say at what time—I cannot tell how long I remained there—I went myself to the police-office—Amos asked me to go in—I forget whether I had mentioned to any one at that time what I have said here to-day; I perhaps might—I had told Mr. Pelham, I think the same day—I am certain it was the same, day—I went to Mr. Pelham's office that day—after being in the public-house, I bad been about my business—I went to Mr. Pelham's before the matter was investigated, I am certain—he told me to go to the office.

Q. I thought you said Amos told you to go? A. He said if I could. speak the truth, to go; I said I should say nothing else—I think no one went with me to the office—I went by myself—I spoke to Willis, of my. Own accord; well knowing him, I went of my own accord—he was alone when be talked to roe—there was a tall young man, with a red scarf, with him before, and he came and pulled him away from me—he palled him to a distance, about three or four yards—it was in the public street—to the beat of my recollection, Bunn stood three or four yards off—I could not say whether. Bunn told me to go and speak to Willis.

MR. PARRY. Q. Had Bunn been with you before you went to speak to Willis? A. Yes; I was in attendance at the police-office, to be called as a witness, if Mr. Pelham thought fit—I think I was in the police-court about an hour—I left the court at half-past 2 o'clock—Bunn was in the police-court—I think I saw him there—when I left I went to my business—Bunn and I were together before I saw Willis—I was not engaged in this business from half-past 10 till half-past 2; I was about my own business.

MR. O'BRIEN. to MR. PICKETT. Q. On the Tuesday on which Chandler was examined, on your oath, had you been in a public-house that morning before the examination? A. I had not; he was examined from 12 to 1 o'clock.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. You could sot make a mistake about that? A. No.

(The prisoner received a good character.)


THIRD COURT—Thursday, April 8th, 1852.

PRESENT—Mr. Ald. Challis; Mr. Common Serjeant; and Russell Gubney, Esq.

Before Russell Gurney Esq., and the Seventh Jury.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-406
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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406. JOHN COLLINS . stealing 1 handkerchief, value 5s.; the goods of John Johnson, from his person: to which he pleaded

GUILTY .* Aged 19.— Confined Twelve Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-407
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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407. JOHN JORDAN was indicted for bigamy.

ISAAC FOX . I am a dealer in marine stores, and bye at Stratford. I knew the prisoner twenty-four or twenty-five years ago, living in Cooper's-garden. Shoreditch—I was present at Shoreditch church, and acted as father to An Hebecca Robinson, and gave her away to the prisoner, who then went by the name of John Chapman—I have seen him six or seven times since—I am quite sure he is the man—Ann Robinson is now in Court.

Cross-examined by MR. GIFFORD. Q. Do you know whether the prisoner's mother's second husband's name was Chapman? A. I cannot say.

MARRY ANN STEVENS . I know the prisoner; I was present at Hackney Church on 23rd Sept. 1844, when he was married to Hannah Hoare.

GEORGE FLALLOW HASEMER (policeman, N 469). I took the prisoner on 17th Feb., and told him he was charged with marrying two wives—he said it was all right, he had been given into custody for it before—I produced a certificate which I got from Shoreditch Church—I examined it with the register (read—"25th Dec. 1827; John Robert Chapman and Ann Rebecca Robin-ton, married, &c.)—T produce another, which I got from Hackney Church—I examined it with the register (read—"23rd Sept. 1844; John Jordan and Hannah Hoare, married, &c.)

MR. GIFFORD called.

WILLIAM HOPKINS . I was in the employ of the prisoner, as a woodcutter—I cannot say exactly when it was, I was young at the time—it was before he and his first wife parted—they were married before I went to them—the last time I know of their living together is about eighteen years ago—the wife left the husband, and I went with her—shortly after that I came home and found her with a man named John Dowding—he slept with her one night, and I slept in the same bed—I was then nine years old; I am twenty-seven now—I then went back and lived with the prisoner at the same house in Cooper's-gardens, for seven or eight years—during that time I never saw his wife again.


5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-408
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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408. JAMES HUDSON was indicted for wilful and corrupt perjury: to which he pleaded

GUILTY .—(He received a good character.)— Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-409
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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409. SOPHIA BUTLER . stealing 1 half-crown of John Landon, from the person of Ellen Smith.

ELLEN SMITH . I am twelve years old—on 6th March, between half-past 3 and 4 o'clock, I was going through St. Paul's Churchyard, and went to the pump to get Some water to drink—while drinking, the prisoner came up and said, "Halloo! I want some of that"—I gave it her, and in so doing dropped two sixpences from my hand, where I had a half-crown and four sixpences belonging to Mrs. Landon, who I work for—I picked the money up, and the prisoner said, "Halloo! I know you"—I said, "Do you?"—she said, "Yes," and asked me to go a little way with her to her aunt's, and told me to tell my mother her name was Thomas; and she said she knew my mother when I was a little thing—she told me I lived at Mrs. Green's in Broad-street—I had lived there, but not then—I went with her down a street opposite the Post-office, and she bought me a pennyworth of sweet-stuff—she gave me a little knitted basket, and saw me wrap my money up, and put it into a little bag, and then into a box, and put the box in my basket—I stooped down to do something to my dress, and put my basket down to do it—she took up my basket, and I said, "Put that down"—she did not do so, and I got up and took it from her—a little while after she told me to go down that street opposite, while she went to her aunt's to get some playthings—I waited for her five or ten minutes, looked into my basket, and found the knitted bag sad As money gone—the little box was not gone—I had never seen her before—I am quits sure the prisoner is the person—we were together three-quarter of an hour.

JOHN FANCETT (City-policeman, 212). I took the prisoner on 15th March.


5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-410
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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410. SOPHIA BUTLER was again indicted for stealing 11 half-crowns; the moneys of Sarah Johnson, from the person of Maria Johnson.

MARIA JOHNSON . I am fourteen years old, and live with my mother, Sarah Johnson, who does flower work for Mr. Ellis, of Ludgate-hill. On Saturday, 8th Nov., I got 1l. 7s. 6d., in eleven half-crowns, from Mr. Ellis, to take to my mother, who is a widow—I put the money in my pocket, and as I was going along Cheapside, the prisoner touched me and said, "You are getting too proud to speak"—I said, "I do not know you"—she said, "If you do not know me, your mother does"—and she told me my name right, told me when my father died, and that she stood godmother to my little sister Mary—the asked me to go with her to her aunt's, in Old Change—I went down Old Change with her, and Distaff-lane too, my pocket stuck out, and she said she would pin it in—I had bought some apples before I went for the money, and bad them in the same pocket as the money, and that made it stick out—she pinned roy pocket in, and then asked me to wait outside a warehouse while she went and got paid (or her aunt—she left me. but I did not see where she went to—I waited about ten minutes, undid the pin, felt my pocket, and the money was gone—the had walked dote to me, on the tide my pocket was—I was with her about half an hour, heard her speak, and am sure the is the person—on 13th March I was with my brother in Jewin-street, and saw the prisoner; she ran away; we ran after her, and some one else stopped her.

JOHN JOSEPH JOHNSON . I am eleven years old. On 13th March I was with my sister in Jewin-street, and met the prisoner—when she saw my sister she ran away, as fast as she could—I ran after her, came up to her, told a policeman, and he caught her.

JOHN FANCSTT (City-policeman, 212). I was on duty in Smithfield on 13th March—the last witness pointed out the prisoner to me, she was running slowly—when she saw I was running-after her, she quickened her pace—I caught her, and the boy said she had robbed his sister—she said, "Pray do not lock me up"—I took her to the station.

GUILTY . Aged 16.— Confined Twelve Month.

(There were other indictments against the prisoner for like offences.)

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-411
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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411. HARRIETT TAYLOR and MARGARET FOLEY . stealing 1 purse, 1 half-crown, 5s., and 1 groat; the property of John Samuel Plume, from his person.

HENRY MILLS (City-policeman, 352). On 3rd March, between 1 and 2 o'clock in the morning, I saw the prisoner Foley watching in the middle of Cobb's-court, Ludgate-hill—I went up the court and saw Taylor and the prosecutor in a corner of the court, about three yards off Foley—I followed them all three out of that court—Taylor laid hold of Plume's arm, and Foley walked behind them—I caught hold of Taylor, and asked Plume whether he Had been robbed—both the prisoners were near enough to hear—he said he had not—I got Taylor away from him, and she immediately followed him again—I afterwards received this purse from I son (produced).

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. What kind of a court is Cobb's-court? A. A narrow court; Taylor and the prosecutor were done together in the court—the prosecutor tried to get away from her—she had hold of his arm, apparently against hit will—they were in Shoemaker-row when I spoke to Plume—while I was engaged keeping one prisoner off Plume, she other made after him—Plume lives in Ireland-yard, end be wee going towards there—I did not see where his hands were when I went into the court—certain they were not round Taylor—they were both in front of me, side by

side—Plume was stopped twice after he told me he was not robbed—he was drunk, but could walk—the prisoners had not gone out of my sight when I took them.

JOHN SAMUEL PLUME . I live in Ireland-yard. Between 1 and 2 o'clock I was going home through Broadway, and met the two prisoners near St. Martin's-court—they wished me to go with them, and walked through Cobb's-court, and it seems I lost my purse—I had had it safe at half-past 12, and I had met with no other persons but them—it was in my right hand trowsers pocket, and contained five shillings, a half-crown, and fourpence—I missed it in Shoemaker-row, not many minutes after I had left Cobb's-court—this is it—Taylor had been feeling me about—the policeman came and took them both into custody.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you sober? A. Not quite; I do not know what occurred till the policeman spoke to me—I then felt my pocket, but did not know I had lost anything—I was not five minutes in Cobb's-court—I have no recollection of being up in a corner with one of the women, with my hand round her, or of walking arm in arm with one of them.

WILLIAM IRON . I am a baker, and live at the end of Shoemaker-row. Between 1 and 2 o'clock on this morning, I picked up a bag in my area, and gave it to the policeman—this is it.


5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-412
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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412. JOHN BROWN , unlawfully obtaining money by false pretences.

MR. PARRY conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM ELLIS SAVILLE . I am a cheesemonger, of Holloway. I became acquainted with the prisoner about a week before 30th of last Sep., and gave him four debts to collect for me—one of the debts was 10l. 5s., due from Mr. Chisholm, of Cornwall-place, Holloway—I have never received any money from the prisoner—on 30th Sep. he called on me and said he should be obliged to summons Mr. Chisholm for the debt, and he should want 1l. 17s. 8d. for that purpose—I gave him that money—he said it would be necessary to summons him to the Sheriffs' Court, in Red Lion-square—I saw him again on 9th Oct., when he told me he had taken out a summons against Mr. Chisholm, and that it would come on for trial on 15th Oct.—on 15th Oct. he came again, said he had appeared at the Sheriffs' Court, and there was no one there from Mr. Chisholm to proceed with the case, and that it would be advisable to take out an execution on his goods—I asked him what amount of money he wanted, and he said 2l. 15s., which I gave him, and before I gave him that I wrote this paper from his dictation (produced)—I and he signed it, and one of my servants also (read)—"Sheriffs' Court, Red Lion, Oct. 15th 1851—I hereby authorize John Brown, my collector, of 5, Alfred-place, Blackfriars, to take an execution on Mr. Chisholm's good and chattels situated at No. 11, Cornwall-place, Holloway, Middlesex, for goods sold and delivered, 10l. 5 1/2 d.; expenses, summons and levies, 1l. 17s.5d.; execution on goods, 2l. 15s.; total, 14l. 17s. 1 1/2 d.; signed William Saville, John Dommett, and John Brown"—That "John Brown" is the prisoner's signature—before I parted with this 2l. 15s. I believed that the representations he had made of having taken out a summons and attended the trial of Chisholm's case were true; I should not have parted with my money if I had not believed so—the prisoner called again on the evening of the 20th Oct., and said he had come to take the goods and chattels of Mr. Chisholm—he went to Mr. Chisholm, came back and said he had found out that the goods were not Mr. Chisholm's, and the only thing would be to take out an execution against him, in order to tell whether the goods were his or not, and that

he should want 4l. more—I advanced him 3l., and told him that was all I bad by me—he took the 3l.—I advanced him that, believing that she goods were not Mr. Chisholm's, and that he meant to take Mr. Chisholm in execution—I have never seen the prisoner since.

Cross-examined by MR. WOOLETT. Q. What was the arrangement between you and the prisoner? A. I was to pay him fife per cent, on the debts be collected, and to advance money for the proceedings—I am quite sure Red Lion-square was the only court he mentioned—I had a great many other creditors—if he had asked me for any money on any occasion to carry on these suits I should have advanced it to him.

THOMAS MOUNTAIN . I am clerk at the Sheriff's Office, Red-lion-square. We do not issue summonses at our Court; the proceedings are not commenced there by summons—I know nothing of this case against Mr. Chisholm.

MR. WOOLLETT. Q. Would not your books show that? A. Yes; I have not got them here.

MR. PARRY. Q. Do you attend the trial of cases? A. Yes; cases are carried on there by Record, just the same as at Westminster—the proceeding are commenced by writ—the trials all take place there on Thursdays, except by special appointment (the 15th Oct was Wednesday)—I believe there was no special day in Oct.—I never saw the prisoner, to my knowledge, at the Court; if he had conducted a case there, I must have done so—none but barristers, attorneys, or their managing clerks have audience there—after judgment and verdict, the writs of execution do not issue from our office.

Cross-examined. Q. How is the business carried on; is there a record? A. Yes; a writ of trial, or a record lodged by the attorney, and the day of trial endorsed—I cannot say whether that would be in consequence of a writ of summons in the superior Courts—I have been in the office upwards of twenty years—the writs of trial, or records, are not kept at our office; they are returned to the Courts at Westminster—there, is an entry made of them in the books as they come into the office—I searched the books before I went before the Magistrate, to see if there was any entry of this case, in case I might be asked—the books would show whether or not there was such au entry.

MR. PARRY. Q. Is this a book kept for the convenience of the Under Sheriff? A. Merely to make up the accounts at the end of the day; it is an account book—I have searched it myself—I do not myself know of any record of "Seville v. Chisholm" being tried—I have heard no such case called on to which the defendant did not appear.

JOHN CLISHOLM . I live in Cornwall-place, Holloway. I was indebted to Mr. Saville in the sum of 10l. odd—the prisoner called on roe last. Oct., and said he had called from Mr. Saville respecting the debt I owed him—I think I told him I would arrange it in the next week—he came again about the middle of Oct., and asked me to pay the debt according to promise; I told him I should arrange it with Mr. Saville—he then went out at the door, brought in a man, walked up stairs, told the man to be seated on the toll, and took a chair himself—he then turned to the man, and said, "You are an officer of the Sheriff's Court, of Red-lion-square?"—the man said, "I am"—the prisoner said, "Have you got your staff?"—he said, "Yes"—the prisoner said, "Hand it to me"—he took out a little brass beaded staff—the prisoner took it and laid it on the table—I asked the prisoner what was the meaning of it, where was his authority—he said, "This is my authority" (the staff), and that the new Act of Parliament did away with any necessity for any other authority—I told him he bad better walk out, and he did so—this

was about 7 o'clock in the evening—I never received any summons from any Court for this debt, or any paper or anything having reference to it—I am not aware of any legal proceedings having been taken against me—I never saw the prisoner after the interview I have mentioned—he never came to take me in execution—I live in my daughter's house.

Cross-examined. Q. How many interviews had you with the prisoner? A. Three; on the two first I promised to pay.

GUILTY .* Aged 23.— Confined Two Years.

(There were four other indictments against the prisoner.)

Before Russell Gurney, Esq.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-413
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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413. THOMAS TUCKER was indicted for stealing 3 sovereigns and 3s.;' the moneys of John Thorogood, his master.

MR. THOMSON conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN THOROGOOD . I am a hay and straw dealer, at Enfield Wash. The prisoner was in my service—on 5th April, about half past 12 o'clock, I gave him three sovereigns and 3s. to go and fetch a load of hay from Mr. Rutherford's, and told him to get a receipt for the money—about an hour and a half after I got home, Mr. Rutherford sent a servant down for the money, and I paid it—when the prisoner came home, I asked him why he did not pay for it—he said he had paid for it, and I said, "I have paid it again then, and got a receipt for the money"—I asked him who he paid it to, and he said to the same woman he had paid before—about 9 the same night I took the prisoner to Mr. Rutherford's, and he said he paid a woman with a blue frock and spots on it—a woman was there, and he said he had paid her—the woman said he had not paid, nor mentioned any money to her—I gave the prisoner into custody the same night.

Cross-examined by MR. DEARSLEY. Q. You told him to go and buy the hay? A. I had bought it, and sent him to bring it away and pay for it—he was to pay any one who delivered it to him.

JOHN SAVAGE . I am servant to Mr. Rutherford. On Monday the prisoner came to the farm yard, and I delivered him the load of hay—lie did not pay me for it—I did not ask him for any money.

COURT. Q. Was there any woman in the way at the time he left with the hay? A. I did not see any; I saw him when he first came in, and remained with him till he left—there was no one but me in the yard.

WALTER RUTHERFORD . I am a farmer, and live at Enfield. I did not see the prisoner come to my place—he did not make any payment for hay to me—there was no female who was authorised to receive money—small payments might have been received, but not for hay—I believe the prisoner paid 2l. 5s. to my wife on the Saturday.

KRZIAH COCK . I am servant to the last witness. I remember the prisoner coming on Monday—he asked if Mr. Rutherford was at home—I told him he was not—he asked if the foreman was at home—I said I could not say; I told him to go and inquire in the yard, and he went into the yard—no payment was made to me that day—I was in the whole of that day—he did not come again till half past 9 or 10 o'clock in the evening, when he came with the policeman—he told the policeman that he had paid me the money—I told him he had not paid the money to me, nor did he name paying it; that I had referred him to Mr. Rutherford—he said, two or three times, that he had paid me—he had not paid me.

HENRY HAYES (policeman, N 342). I took the prisoner, and took him to Mr. Rutherford's—he pointed to this young woman as the person he hid

paid the money to—I afterwards went to the prisoner's house—I asked the landlady for the prisoner's sleeping room; she showed it me—I commenced a search, and found three Victoria sovereigns on the top of a Dutch clock, about one foot from the ceiling and six or seven feet from the floor—Mrs. Briden keeps the house—I knew the prisoner lodged there—I knew this to be his sleeping room by what she said—I do not know how many persons live in the house.

JOHN THOROGOOD re-examined. The sovereigns I gave the prisoner were three Victorias.

Cross-examined. Q. How long has the prisoner been in your service? A. Eight, nine, or ten years, on and off—during that time he has always conducted himself honestly—on different occasions he has paid larger sums, 20l. or 30l.

COURT. Q. Did you know the room in which the prisoner lodged? A. The policeman asked if that was his sleeping room, and the landlady said it was.

JURY to WALTER RUTHERFORD. Q. Were you in the habit of making any present to servants who paid you a bill? A. If he had paid the bill, the servant would have given him a pint of beer, just the same whether he paid it to me or any one else.

GUILTY . Aged 38.—Strongly recommended to Mercy by the Jury.— Confined Three Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-414
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Not Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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414. DANIEL FRASER, ELIZA FRASER . and JOHN FRASER . stealing 6 printed books, value 39s.; the goods of John Tallis, the master of Daniel Fraser. 2nd COUNT: 1 printed book, 8s. 6d.; of John Tallis. 3rd COUNT: 18 printed books, 78s.; of John Tallis.

DANIEL FRASER pleaded GUILTY . Aged 24.— Confined Nine Months.

MR. MEE conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN TALLIS . I am a publisher, at 100, St. John-street. Daniel was a porter in my employ, and John was employed by me, under a foreman, as a map colourer—in consequence of information, I went to a pawnbroker's, received information there, and when I got home I sent for Daniel to my private room, and requested he would accompany me to Holborn—he had given notice to leave, and wanted to leave that day—John was not then at work for me—in consequence of information I afterwards received, on 24th March, I gave John and Eliza into custody, and after they were in custody Daniel gave himself up—this set of the "History of London," (produced) are my property, they sell for 26s.—we missed seven copies out of the first lot which were bound, before it had been published.

JOHN ARCHBUTT . I am in the service of my father, a pawnbroker. I produce six books pledged for 6s. on 1st March last year, in the name of Thomas Hind, and one pledged on 25th Feb. this year, for 3s., in the name of Parker—I have no recollection as to who pledged the first lot, and to the hest of my belief it was neither of the prisoners in the last instance.

GEORGE POLIE . I am assistant to my father, a pawnbroker, at 26, Bridge-road, Lambeth. I produce four volumes of the "History of London," pawned with us on 13th March, for 5s. to the best of my belief by the prisoner John, in the name of John Pearson.

JAMES ALDRIDGE . I am assistant to Mr. Burgess, pawnbroker, of the Waterloo-road. I produce some volumes of "Goldsmith's History of the Earth," which were pawned on 1st Jan. for 8s. by the female prisoner, in the name of Ann Fraser.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. Had you ever seen her before? A. Yes; I am quite sure she is the woman.

THOMAS BATEMAN . I live at 25, Great Peter-street, Westminster, and go about selling ink—the prisoner John lodged in the same house with me for three weeks before 16th March—on that day he told me he had got into some difficulty respecting some books he had offered in pledge, and the pawnbroker had stopped them, telling him he must produce the person from whom he got the books, or to whom they belonged, and he asked me whether I would go and offer myself as the owner of the books—I asked what the books were; he said, "Tallis's Illustrated London"—I asked him from whom he got them; he said, "From a friend in the City"—I asked what friend; and he ultimately said he got them from his brother—I said, "Why does not your brother go after them?—he said if be went he might get into trouble—I then refused to have anything to do with them, and informed Mr. Tallis.

JAMES LAMB (policeman, L 72). I took Eliza and John into custody on 19th March—John said he knew nothing about the robbery, neither did he know the prosecutor—Eliza said she had pledged the books, but her husband had given them to her; she did not know they were stolen—I believe she is Daniel's wife.

THOMAS ORD (policeman, L 100). On 19th March, the prisoner Danie I came to me and asked if there were two parties in custody for robbery—I told him I did not know, if he went to the station they would tell him—he said it was a bard thing for the innocent to suffer for the guilty, and he would give himself up, and he went with me to the station.

John Fraser. I admit taking one set of books.


JOHN FRASER— GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Four Month.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-415
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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415. HELENA SHEE . stealing 1 gown, 2 sheets, and other articles, value 4s. 9d.; the goods of Philip Solomons.

HANNAH SOLOMONS . I am the wife of Philip Solomons of 1, Meeting house-yard. On the night of 24th Feb. I was going up stairs into my house, and met the prisoner coming down—I had never seen her before—I stopped her, and she had a bundle of washing under her shawl—I found two sheets, two gowns, one petticoat, one blanket, and a tablecloth, all my husband's property—I had just left them hanging up in my room on the second floor—I gave her into custody.

Prisoner. Q. Did you not say I came down with my shoes in my hand? A, When I opened your shawl you struck me in the side, and the sheet was round your stomach, wet.

WILLIAM LINGRAM (City policeman, 652). The prisoner was given into my custody, with these things—she said she did not steal them.


(The prisoner was further charged with having been before convicted.)

JOSEPH WARD (City policeman, 628). I produce a certificate, which of got from the office of this Court—(read—Ellen Kesterisky, convicted April, 1851 confined three months)—I was present—the prisoner is the person—I knew her before.

GUILTY.** Aged 37.— Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-416
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Not Guilty > unknown

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416. JONATHAN HUTCHINGS and WILLIAM SMITH . stealing 1261bs. weight of lead, value 10s.; the goods of the Mayor, Commonalty, and Citizens of the city of London, fixed to a certain building: to which

HUTCHINGS pleaded GUILTY .** Aged 19.— Confined Twelve Months.

JOSEPH MITCHELL . I am a labourer, and live at 3, Young's-buildings.

On 8th March, at 8 o'clock in the evening I was in Billingsgate-market, and heard Smith whistle—he was close to me, in the middle of the market—I then saw Hatchings on the roof of the market, and saw him throw a piece? of lead down into the engine-room belonging to the new market, and saw him lay another piece on the roof—I called, "Police!" and Hatchings ran away, up St. Mary's-hill—I ran after him, and gave him into custody—I had seen Smith in conversation with him, quarter of an hoar before, within tea yards of the spot from where the lead was taken—I knew Smith before.

JAMBS TARRANT . I am a labourer. I was in the market—Smith came and asked me how many colliers were up—I told him there were two—he then went away, round a corner of the market, and I saw Hutchings on the roof of the market—Mitchell called out, "Police!" and he jumped off the wall—at the time "Police!" was called, I had not seen Smith for five minutes.


5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-417
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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417. FRANCES LETBE . unlawfully obtaining 1 pair of shoes, and 2 pairs of boots, value 9s.; the goods of Philip Alexander Harris; by false pretences.

PHILIP ALEXANDER HARRIS . I am a draper and hosier, at 9, Barking Churchyard. On 4th March the prisoner came to my shop—I had known her before, living in the employ of Mr. Symes—she said she wanted a pair of boots and a pair of shoes for Mrs. Symes, to try on—she had been seat previously several times, and knowing she had lived in that employ, I gave them to her—in about ten minutes she came back, and said the shoes would do, but the boots were not the size, and would I let her have a pair or two to try on—I gave her two or three pairs to select, and heard nothing more of her till she was in custody, a week after—the boots and shoes were worth 14s.—these shoes produced are what J gave her, and are worth 3s. 2d.

JOHN HELTH . I am assistant to John Addis, a pawnbroker. I produce a pair of new shoes (produced)—they were pawned with roe on 4th March, by the prisoner—I have known her from her childhood, and thought they were her own.

SARAH STMES . I am the wife of Robert Symes. The prisoner was in my employ twelve months and left about eight months ago—I did not in March authorise her to go to Mr. Harris for any shoes.

GUILTY . Aged 16.— Confined Three Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-418
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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GUILTY . Aged 44.—Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutrix.— Confined Six Months.

OLD COURT.—Saturday, April 10th 1852.


Before Mr. Justice Talfourd, and the First Jury.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-419
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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419. CHARLES CLIFFORD . feloniously forging and uttering a receipt for 60l., with intent to defraud.

MESSRS. CLARXSON and ARCHIBALD conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN SAUNDERS . I am a pay cashier in the London Joint Stock Battle, and have been so for twelve or thirteen years. I did not know the prisoner before his apprehension—I am aware that he had an account at the bank—I

cannot say when it was opened—it is usual to give a pass book to customers—this (produced) is the prisoner's pass book—this check (produced) was presented to me at the bank, on 4th Dec. 1851—I paid it—I did not look at the prisoner's account before I paid it—I did afterwards, when it was reported to me in the evening that the account was overdrawn by the payment of this check, I found only 5s. 5d. to his credit—I reported that to the manager of the bank—I was cashier at the bank in 1850—I never received a sum of 60l. from the prisoner in Oct. or Sept.—I never, under any circumstances, received any money from the prisoner or any person sent by him—here is an entry in this pass book on the credit side on 1st Oct. 1850, of cash 60l.—that is' not my writing—to the best of my belief it is not the handwriting of any clerk in the bank—that is the last entry on the credit side—no cashier in the bank has left since 1850.

Prisoner. Q. Have any of the cashiers died since 1850? A. I believe not: I am certain of it—there are about nine persons acting as cashiers—r am familiarly acquainted with them—I did not receive 60l. on 28th or 30th Sept.—I am not aware that there have been any complaints made as to any errors in the entries in the ledger, about the end of Sept. or beginning of Oct.—I cannot remember whether any of the ledger keepers have left the bank since Sept. or Oct.—it has never been known that a cashier has willingly or knowingly made a false entry in any pass book since I have been there—no clerk has been dismissed since Sept. 1850—I have no knowledge of the handwriting in which this entry of 60l. is made—there is an entry of 15l. on 26th Sept. 1850—that is the writing of Mr. John Burton.

COURT. Q. Is that the entry immediately preceding? A. Yes; he is now a cashier—at that time he was a ledger keeper—it is not my duty to receive, only to pay—when money is received the entry of it in the pass book is not always made by the clerk, who receives it; in fact that is the exception—if the customer wishes it entered in the pass book at the time, that is done by the clerk who receives it; but if the book Is left the entry is made by the ledger keeper—the cashier and the ledger keeper are the only persons authorised to make entries in the pass book.

Prisoner. Q. Is the entry of the 15l. made by the ledger keep? Q. Yes; I did not see the pass book in the house at the end of Sept. or any time during Oct. 1850—I have nothing to do with the pass books, and therefore cannot tell whether your pass book was asked for in Oct.—there is no writing of mine in this pass book—when a customer pays in money it is put into the till, and the pass book is left and made up by the ledger keeper—if the money paid in is notes they could be folded up and pinned together, and the name of the party paying them in would be written on them—I did not know your person.

COURT. Q. You say you paid this check inadvertently? A. Yes; bankers do allow customers to overdraw their accounts—I have sometimes paid checks under such circumstances by express permission; this was paid in error.

JOSEPH HALL . I am a solicitor of 28, Moorgate-street. On 4th or 5th March last the prisoner called on me at my chambers on business—he asked me if I would allow my son to leave his pass book at the London Joint Stock Bank—I said, "Certainly," and sent him with it—I believe this is the book—I never bad it in my hand, but it is like it.

Prisoner. Q. How many times have you seen me for the last two or three months, previous to my being taken into custody? A. Perhaps two or three times in a week—I had no difficulty in finding you when I wanted you; I have seen you about the Exchange when I have passed that way—I

did not know where you lived—when I have asked for you I hare heard of you—I have seen you above perhaps two or three times within the last month, before you were taken—I never knew any actions brought against you for debt; I brought an action for you once, and I have written two or three letters for you.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was his place of business called the Hall of Commerce? A. Yes; he was a share dealer.

JAMES EDMUND HALL . I am a son of last witness. On 4th or 5th March j took the prisoner's pass book for him to the London Joint-Stock Bank—he did not assign any reason to me why he could not take it himself.

JOHN LEWIS PATON . I am a cashier in the London Joint Stock Bank. This check (produced) was presented there on 11th March by a woman, and was refused, the account being previously overpaid to the extent of nearly 12l.—I had compared the pass book with the account before this check was presented—no complaint was ever made by the prisoner that any money was omitted in his account—I did not receive 60l. from him in Oct., 1850—this entry of 60l. in the pass book is not my writing; nor, to the best of my knowledge, is it the writing of any clerk, cashier, or ledger keeper, in the house—I have been a cashier between eleven and twelve years.

Prisoner. Q. Did you ever receive any cash from me? A. Not to my knowledge, not at any time—I have no knowledge of seeing your pass-book about the end of Sept. or beginning of Oct., 1850; I know nothing of its having been inquired for—there is no writing of mine in it—I cannot say in whose writing this entry of 15l. is—I do not think that any clerks have been dismissed since I have been in the bank—I have no idea how many have left—some have left within the last eighteen months—I do not know the handwriting of all the clerks in the bank—no clerk baa been taken up for any fraud committed in the bank since I have been there—no clerk has ever been known to keep back the pass book of a customer—I am not prepared to say who made up your pass book in 1850—there appear to be several checks entered at the beginning of 1850—the checks are invariably returned to the customer with the pass book—I do not know how many checks we have of yours.

ROBERT ALEXANDER BENTHAM . I am assistant to Mr. Pollard, the manager of the bank. This (produced) is the form of letter written to customers whose accounts are overdrawn—about 5th Dec, 1851,1 became acquainted with the fact that the prisoner's account had been overdrawn; in consequence of that I went to make inquiries after him; among other place I went to the Hall of Commerce—that is the place to which he referred—I could learn nothing of him there—I also went to the Auction Mart, and to Garraways', to inquire after him—I hardly know what he was, but he was generally about the Stock Exchange—I made inquiries about him altogether for about two months, from time to time, but could learn nothing of him—I could not obtain his address—he has a brother—on 11th Dec I gave this letter to him for the prisoner—I applied to the messenger at the Hall of Commerce for his address, but could not learn it—I saw the prisoner's brother after I had given him the letter, and he told me what he had done with it—I never heard of any complaint made by the prisoner that 60l. had not been entered to his credit, or that he had 60l. credited which had not been drawn; I never heard any such suggestion.

Prisoner. Q. What situation did you hold in the bank in 1850? A. The same as I do now; I had nothing to do with the pass books—I did not receive any cash over the counter that I am aware of; I cannot say positively,

because if I saw anybody waiting probably I should come forward—if I did receive any I put it to the account of the person who paid it in—if required I should enter it in the pass book at the time; it is very often required—sometimes the customer takes the pass book away with him, and sometimes be leaves it—money is often paid in by one person to the account of another—I do not make up the pass* books—I do not know whose handwriting this pass book is last made up—I know the handwriting of very nearly all the clerks, those who have been there seven years certainly—one or two clerks have left in the last two years, perhaps more—I know their writing—I believe this entry of the 60l. is not the writing of any clerk in our house—is not the writing of any person I know—I do not recollect any mistake similar to this occurring since I have been in the bank—a sum may appear is a pass book which has been questioned, but this was twelve months before it was questioned—there may have been a complaint by a customer that money has been paid in on his account, and not credited to him—I do not recollect any charge of dishonesty against any clerk since I have been there—I never recollect taking any money of you—I am not aware that I have ever seen you in the house.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Have you ever received any money, either from him or any other customer, which you have not made a proper entry of, after placing it in the till? A. Never; we are not always free from errors, but no error of the kind alleged has been a month without being pointed out and corrected.

JAMES JOHN AMOS . I am clerk to Messrs. Tilson, solicitors to the London Joint Stoke Bank. In consequence of instructions, I issued a plaint against the prisoner on 13th Jan. last for 11l. 14s. 9l., the balance of an overdrawn banking account—it was given to the officer of the Sheriffs' Court in London to serve—I afterwards applied to the officer, who said he could not serve it—I afterwards made inquiries for the prisoner at the Hall of Commerce and in the neighbourhood, but could not hear of him, and they could not give me bis address.

Prisoner. Q. Where did you inquire after me? A. I inquired of one or two persons in the neighbourhood of the Hall, and of the messenger—the persons I asked said they did not know you—the messenger said, "I believe be is a member; that is, I believe his subscription has not yet expired, but I have not seen him here for some months"—I did not ask the secretary to look in the book for your address—I did not inquire for you anywhere except at the Hall of Commerce, because they told me you had no place of business, you were only a member of the New Stock Exchange, not then existing—the summons was never served on you; we could not find you.

WILLIAM EDWARD HARRINGTON . I am a receiving cashier in the London Joint Stock Bank. This entry in the pass book of 60l. on 1st March, 1850, is not my writing—it is not the writing of any cashier or ledger keeper in the bank that I know of—I did not receive that or any sum to the prisoner's credit on 1st Oct., 1850.

Prisoner. Q. Did you, on 80th Sept., receive any cash from me, or on my account? A, No; I do not recollect seeing you at the bank at all—I have been there ten years and three quarters—there is no writing of mine in this pass book—I do not know when I last saw this book in the bank—tow entry of 15l. is Mr. Burton's writing—I occasionally make up the pass books—i did not do so about that date—we have an accountant in the bank—I have no knowledge of any inquiry after your pass book in 1850—I do not know the writing of every clerk in the house.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Do you know the handwriting of the receiving cashiers? A. Yes, and the paying cashiers also; this entry is not the writing of any of them—the cashier's books are made up every night—an error of 60l. would be detected at once.

WILLIAM EDWARD HAMILTON . I am a clerk in the London Joint Stock Bank. These three entries on the debit side of the pass book of 10l., 5l., and 12l. were made by me on or about Tuesday, 9th March, 1852—I made them from the checks themselves—they were given to me to enter in the book—if the book had been in the bank, the entries would have been made at the checks were paid.

Prisoner. Q. When did you enter the 15l? A. I did not make that entry; I have only been six weeks in the bank.

HENRY THRUPP . I am a ledger keeper in the London Joint Stock Bank. I kept the book containing the prisoner's account (producing it)—it is my duty to agree the pass book with the ledger—I made up the prisoner's pass book from this account in the ledger—there is no entry in the ledger of 60l. to the prisoner's credit—the other entries correspond with the pass book—a tick is placed against each item as it is agreed, both on the credit and debit side—then money is paid in, and the pass book is produced, it is entered at the time if the party wishes it—this entry of 1st Oct. in the pass book is not my writing; I do not know whose it is—I should say it is not the writing of any clerk in the bank—I am quite sure it is not the writing of any cashier or ledger keeper—I discovered this entry of the 60l. directly I opened the pass book—I was in the bank on 30th Sept., 1850—I did not receive any sum of 60l.; I never received any money at all—I have never been a cashier.

Prisoner. Q. Have you any knowledge of having seen me in the bank? A. No; I do not recollect your pass book being asked for. in Oct., 1850—this entry of 15l. is Mr. Burton's writing—that was paid in on 26th Sept., 1850—that appears in the ledger—I cannot say whether the pass book was left with it at the time; I should say not, from the circumstance of the entry being in the ledger keeper's writing—if entered at the time, it would he in the cashier's writing—there are one or two ledger keepers, who occasionally assist in taking cash on busy days—no one has a right to make an entry in a pass hook but a cashier or ledger keeper—I cannot tell bow many clerks have lift the bank in the last two years, probably six or seven—they left of their own accord—no cashier or ledger keeper has left—none of the clerks who hive left attended at the counter on busy days—we have three cheeks of yours in our possession.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. You see some entries on the credit side of the pass book of 10l., 5l., and 12l? A. Yes; from those entries not being made until 9th March last, and the payments being in 1850, it would indicate that the pass book was with the customer in the interval, and not with us—I had no idea that the pass book was in the bank till it was brought by young Mr. Holl, on 4th or 5th March last.

JOHN BURTON . I was one of the ledger keepers in the London Joint Stock Bank in the autumn of 1850. I kept the prisoner's account at that time—this entry of "Cash, 15l.," in the pass book, on 26th Sept., is my writing—I cannot tell when this pass book last came into my hand—it was some time between 26th Sept. and the end of the year 1850—I know that because the book is not balanced, and if it had been in the house at the end of 1850 it would have been balanced—if the pass book is left one day, it is our practice to make it up the next—the fact of the three entries not being made till 9th March, 1852, show most positively that the book had not been in the

bank till that time—they would be put into the pass book from the ledger, as a matter of course—such an omission would be almost impossible—it it usual to balance our books half-yearly, and this was not balanced either in 1860 or 1851—I am now one of the receiving cashiers—this entry on the debit side of the pass book of 60l., on Oct. 1st, 1850, is not my writing—I received no such sums from the prisoner, or from anybody on his account, on or about that date, or at all—it is not the handwriting of any clerk in the bank of whom I have any knowledge—it is not the handwriting of any cashier or ledger keeper—all the same cashiers are now in the bank that were there in 1850—if a customer desired a cash payment to be entered at the time, it would be done by the cashier; if not, by the ledger keeper, next day—there are sewn receiving cashiers besides myself—they are all here—I have looked through the books, and find no entry of 60l. about that time to the prisoner's credit.

Prisoner. Q. Did you ever receive money of me? A. No; I never saw you till you were in custody to my knowledge—this entry of 15l. is my writing; I cannot say when I made it—I was a ledger keeper at that time—it was not customary at that time for a ledger keeper to receive cash of a customer over the counter—I was appointed an assistant receiving cashier in 1850—I did not receive the 15l. over the counter, I am quite sure of that—I do not know the handwriting of the entry of the 60l.—I did not see the pass book this year before I saw it at the Mansion-house—I know of no inquiry being made after your passbook in Oct. 1850—I cannot say how often this pass book was made up in 1849 and 1850; I cannot say how many clerks have left in the last two years—none have been dismissed on any charge of embezzlement or making false entries—no cashier has left—I think one ledger keeper has, his name was Barker, he left of his own accord—the entry in question is not his writing—I swear that—it is not the writing of any person I am acquainted with, in or out of the bank—any clerk in the house can have access to the pass books—I have no knowledge of a pass book being misplaced, and not able to be found.

JOHN COOTS STURT . I am the chief receiving cashier at the London Joint Stock Bank. I have searched the books to ascertain by whom money was received at the end of Sept. and the 1st Oct. 1850—the names of the receiving cashiers are Mr. Stoke, Mr. Widdle, Mr. Harrington, Mr. Rackstraw, Mr. Legg, myself, and Mr. Gibbon—I did not at the end of Sept. or on 1st Oct. 1850, receive 60l. of the prisoner, or on his account—the entry of the 60l. in the pass book is not my writing, or the writing of any of the gentlemen I have mentioned—to the best of my belief it is not the writing of any clerk in the bank—certainly not of any cashier, nor of any ledger keeper to my knowledge.

Prisoner. Q. Have you ever received any money of me? A. I should say I have very often—I am acquainted with you as a customer, and have a strong recollection of having done business with you several times—I have no recollection of receiving such a sum as 60l. from you—this entry of 15l. is in Mr. Burton's writing—I have no knowledge of your asking me for your pan book about Oct.—I have no recollection of seeing you in the house about that time—no clerk in the house asked me if I had seen your pass book about that time—I have no knowledge of seeing it; it was not in my department.

HENRY RACKSTRAW . I am a cashier in the London Joint Stock Bank. I did not at the end of Sept. or 1st Oct. 1850, receive 60l. of the prisoner, or on his account—this entry of 60l. in the pass book is not my writing—I is not the writing of any of the cashiers, or of anybody that I know.

Prisoner. Q. Did you ever receive any money of me, or on my account? A. No; I never saw you before to-day, to my recollection—I bad been a cashier about five years in 1850—I do not recollect ever taking your pass book from you at the counter—I have no knowledge of any one asking me for your pass book—I do not know the handwriting of all the clerks, I do of all the cashiers; not of all the ledger keepers—clerks are sometimes called to attend at the counter when there is a good deal of business going on—that it done by the chief cashier; it is generally the ledger keepers who are called—I cannot tell how many ledger keepers have left in the last two years or year and a half, more than four or five—if a customer comes and pays in cash, it is put into a box, and he enters it in the counter book, and next morning it is entered in the pass book by the ledger keeper; it is sometimes entered at the time, if the customer requires it—I do not know the handwriting of all the clerks in the bank.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Has there been any ledger keeper dismissed on any charge of fraud, or other misconduct, during the last year and a half? A. No; I cannot enumerate the names of the ledger keepers in Oct. 1850—I should lay to the best of my recollection, about six or seven of them have left—Risden is one, and Barker, Cooper, Holly comb, and Lyon—Lyon has been gone about five years.

COURT. Q. You cannot have attended to the question; you were asked, whether any ledger keepers bad left within the last year and a half? A. Barker has left recently, and Risden; I do not recollect any others.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. When did Risden leave? A. He died about Sept.; this entry in the pass book is not his writing, or Barker's, I am quite certain of that.

THOMAS STOKES . I am a cashier in the London Joint Stock Bank. I see this entry of 60l. in the prisoner's pass book to his credit—I received 60l. about that time, but not on the prisoner's account—this entry is not my writing; I cannot identify it as the writing of any cashier, ledger keeper, or clerk in the house—it is not the handwriting of any person I know.

Prisoner. Q. Who did you receive the 60l. from? A. It was on account of gentleman named Gold—it was paid in checks and notes, I think 30l. In checks and 30l. in notes (referring to the cash book)—it was a check of 80l. and 30l. in notes, on 1st Oct., to the credit of Mr. George Gold—I cannot from memory say whether I have received any money from you on your account—I cannot recognise you as a customer—this entry of 15l. in the past' book is Mr. Burton's writing—I cannot tell you whether he received the money over the counter; I should say not, by its being in his handwriting—the ledger keepers do occasionally receive money over the counter on press of business—I am quite sure the 60l. entry is not the writing of any one in the house, or of any one that I know—I have no recollection of being asked for this or any pass book in Oct., 1850, or of saying J could not find it, but I could not say for certainty at such a distance on time—when the pass books are completed we have a particular place for them, and when they are not—complete they are put in a rack immediately behind the cashier—it may be put into a drawer or somewhere by mistake—I have no knowledge of such a thing happening about Oct., 1850—I should not have identified you as a customer—when a customer pays in money, if he wishes it, it is entered in his pass book at the time by the cashier: be puts the notes in one drawer, the cash in another, and the checks he hands behind to a clerk, who enters them, and the pass book is put on the counter to be made up.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. How long have you been in the bank? A. Nearly

fourteen years; I never received any money from the prisoner, or anybody else, without making an entry of it.

MR. GIBBON. I am one of the cashiers of the London Joint-Stock Bank. Here is an entry in this pass hook of 60l. to the prisoner's credit—it is not in my writing, nor, to my knowledge, in that of any of the clerks—I do not know whose writing it is—I received no such sum in Sept. or Oct. 1850.

Prisoner. Q. Have you ever seen me in the house? A. No; I have been there seventeen years—no inquiries have been made for this pass book to my knowledge—I do not know that I ever saw it before I came here—I do not know the writing of all the clerks in the house—I know the writing of all the cashiers; I should say this is not in the writing of any of them—I cannot say whether it is in the writing of any of the ledger keepers—it is writing which I never saw before—I was cashier in 1850—I cannot say whether I received any money for this account—I do not know how many clerks have left the bank in the last year and a half—ledger keepers occasionally assist at the counter; they receive money—I never received a sum of 60l. about this date of any one—I first heard about the 60l. in the past book just before your apprehension—no inquiry about it was made of the clerk; the manager said nothing to me about it—the manager would be made acquainted with such a case as this undoubtedly, but I do not know that he was—I see no writing of mine in this book—I can fix upon the names of the clerks who wrote particular sums in it—I know the writing of the first sum, but cannot at this moment remember the clerk's name—I am prepared to swear they are all written by clerks in the employ of the bank, except the entry of 1st Oct., which is in quite a strange hand; I do not know it at all.

RICHARD WILLIAM LEGO . I am a cashier in the London Joint Stock Bank. This entry of 60l. in this pass book on 1st Oct. is not in my writing, and I believe it is not in that of any of the clerks or ledger keepers in the bank.

Prisoner. Q. How long have you been there? A. About fourteen years; I do not remember seeing you at the counter except when you were apprehended—I do not remember receiving any cash from you—J do not know any person whose writing this 60l. is like—I have been cashier about six years—the senior cashier asked us if we knew the writing—I presume every* body was asked—if there is any mistake between the customer and the bank, it is made known to the manager immediately—this case was made known to the manager; I do not know who by—this balance is brought forward in the writing of Burton, the ledger keeper—he was not acting as cashier on 25tb or 26th Sept.—in some cases an amount is entered in the morning as haying been paid in on the day previous, if the pass book is in—a ledger keeper, named Barker, has left within the last month—I know the handwriting of all the clerks in the house, but do not know this writing at all—I knew Risden before he died—it is not his writing.

COURT. Q. About how many clerks does the establishment consist of including cashiers? A. 75; I know the writing of them all tolerably well—I do not believe this to be the writing of any of them, or of any who have left.

MR. WIDDLE. I am one of the cashiers of the London Joint Stock Bank—I see this entry of 60l. in the pass book, on 1st Oct.—I received no sum at all from the prisoner about that time—I received 60l. on 2nd Oct. from John Wilson—this entry is not my writing, I do not know it.

Prisoner. Q. Whose handwriting is this 15l. in? A. Mr. Burton's, a ledger keeper—it was made on 26th Sep., 1850—he did not act occasionally as cashier

at the counter—I am quite sure of that—if money was paid in this afternoon it would be entered by the ledger keeper the following morning—the date inserted is the true date, not the date of the entry—I believe this 40l. On 21st Aug., 1848, on the debit aide, to be my writing—I know the writing of all the clerks who were in the bank up to the time in question,—I can speak to the names of the clerks who made most of the entries on the credit side, but some of the writing on the debit side I cannot speak to—I never received my money from you—I do not recollect making any entry at all for your account—I know that such a person had an account there—I do not know of toy check being presented for payment when there were not sufficient funds—I do not remember receiving instructions not to pay a check of yours—there might possibly have been such instructions about a month back, or about the time the account was first overdrawn—I cannot say whether there had always been sufficient funds to meet your checks previous to that—half a dozen clerks may have left in the last two or three years—they have left of their own accord—I do not recollect their handwriting well—they were not my of them cashiers; there was one ledger keeper, Walter Barker, and one has gone to keep the private ledger; he had nothing to do with customers' accounts.

MAST EAST . I am the wife of John East, of Grange-rood, Bermondsey. The prisoner and his family lodged at our house about four months, as near as I can say—he paid one month's rent, and 10s. off the second month—I have applied to him for money from time to time, but have not been able to get any more.

Prisoner. Q. Who took the lodging? A. Mrs. Clifford; she ha promised to pay several times—you had six children living with you.

EDWARD FUNNELL (City policeman, 32). I am one of the detective police—On Thursday afternoon, 11th March, I was sent for to the London Joint Stock Bank—I went to Mr. Pollard's room—a female was brought in about a minute afterwards—this cheek of 11th March for 15l. was produced in her presence; and in consequence of something that passed between her and the manager, I went with her, in a cab, to go to the prisoner's lodgings—as we went down Duke-street, Tooley-street, she pointed, and said, "There is my husband, waiting for me"—I saw the prisoner waiting there, got out of the cab, and told him I was a police-officer, and Wanted him to go the London) Joint Stock Bank with me, through a check which he had sent his wife there with, and told him he had overdrawn his account—he said it was a mistake; he would go with me and see Mr. Pollard, and he would pretty soon set that light—I allowed the female to go home, and went back to the bank with the prisoner—Mr. Forster, the chairman of directors, said to him, "You have sent a 15l. check here, and you have already overdrawn"—he said he bad not—Mr. Foster asked him if he had not bad a letter to that effect—he said he bad received a letter, took this letter (produced) from hit pocket-book, and banded it to the chairman, who read it to him, and asked him if to did not think that required a little attention—he said he complained of the way in which he had received it, stating that he received it from his brother, who was on bad terms with him, and had been for two years—the pass book Was lying on the table, but was not opened—the prisoner said it was quite right, he paid the money in himself—he was asked to whom—he said he did not know which of the clerks he paid it to—he was then given into my custody—he was asked how many days the pass book had been brought into the bank—he said he thought about Friday, by Mr. Hall's son—he was asked about the payment of the money—he said that required a little recollection

—he stood about a minute, hesitating, but said no more—I took him to the station, went to Mrs. East's, in Grange-road, and found Mrs. Clifford and six children—they appeared to be in great distress—there was a bed in the front room on the floor, and a little bed in the back room—on 15th March I went again, and found seventy-three duplicates for wearing apparel of every description, some as low as 6d. and some as high as 1l. 15s., which appeared to have been accumulating since 1850—here are ten in Oct. last, two in Sept., and up to the present time.

Prisoner. Q. Did Mr. Forster ask me how long after the letter had been delivered to my brother, I received it? A. I do not recollect; your wife handed the duplicates to me, in Mrs. East's presence—a great many of them are in your name, but not all.

(The check was here read; it was for 15l., payable to Mr. East, or bearer, dated, 11th March, 1852; signed "Charles Clifford." Letter read—"London Joint Stock Bank, 11th Dec, 1851. Charles Clifford, Esq. Sir,—As your account appears to be overdrawn, I think it right to call your attention to the fact, in order that any error on your part with the bank may be rectified. (Signed) "GEORGE POLLARD, manager.")

MR. BENTHAM. I know Mr. Forster—his name is George Oldgate Forster—he is one of the proprietors of the London Joint Stock Bank—we find no entry of this sum in the cash-book, ledger, or waste-book.

WILLIAM COUTTON . I am a tavern keeper. The prisoner was a tenant of mine six years, from 1845 I think to 1851—before April, 1851, there was three quarters' rent due to me—he pledged some things to pay me one quarter, and gave me a memorandum to pay the rest before 26th June following—I never received the other two quarters, though I made repeated applications to him—he told me he had no means to pay it, and could not promise when he should.

ENOCH RICHARD . I am potman to Mr. Southam, of the Kent-road. In 1850 and 1851 I supplied the prisoner with beer—he owes me, for beer and spirits, 2l. 8s. or 2l. 9s.—I have made repeated applications to him, without being able to get it—I pay the landlord for the beer I take out—it is my loss.

MILLS. I am a butcher. In 1851 I supplied the prisoner with meat; he owes me 5l. or 6l.; I have applied to him, but have not been able to get it.

Prisoner. Q. How long have you served me? A. About four years, previous to the bill running up, which has been eighteen months or two years—the bills were paid regularly before that; I never had to send to the house for a bill before this—you used to come to my shop occasionally and pay me once a week—your wife came first to order meat—you never ordered any before which you did not pay for—you have never been to the shop to order any of the meat contained in this bill.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Have you ever applied to him for payment of this bill? A. Yes; and he has said he would pay me as soon as he could—he never denied owing me the debt.

Prisoner's Defence. I am charged with knowingly uttering a forged accountable receipt, with intent to defraud this bank, which I most solemnly declare to be false; placed as I am, it is not in my power to produce any witness; but you must be well aware that any man having an account at a bank and paying money in, has no receipt, or anything to show for it; the bank clerks have sworn positively that they never received the 60l.; I positively swear that I paid it in on 30th Sept. or 1st Oct. in four 10l.-notes

and twenty sovereigns; I had no occasion after that to draw any check till the Nov. following, when I drew one for 10l. and another for 5l.; my passbook was left at the bank at the time the money was paid in; I called for It four or live days after, and was told by the clerk that it had not been seen for long time; I said, "Nonsense, I left it with the money the other day;" lie went to the back part of the bank, returned to me again, and said, "I have had some difficulty in finding your pass-book; it is not ready: it has been misplaced; "I called for it about a week or a fortnight after, and it was never sent to the bank again till March last, as I had been doing no business, and had no occasion to draw checks; and, therefore I made no complaint to the house, as to there being anything wrong in respect of the 60l. I had no notion of there being anything wrong in the book; the prosecutors have raked up things against me which have nothing to do with the case; as to the duplicates, some of the things were very likely pledged with my knowledge, hot the bulk of them were not; as to the money haying been paid into the bankers, I solemnly declare I paid it in myself, if it was the last word I had to utter; if such evidence as this is taken no man is safe; I have always paid 20s. in the pound; I never took the benefit of the Act, or been a bankrupt, or compromised for 5s. or 2s. 6d. in the pound; though, unfortunately, others have done it too much towards me.

GUILTY . Aged 45. Strongly recommended to mercy by the Jury, in consequence of his poverty.— Transported for Seven Years.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-420
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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GUILTY . Aged 22. MR. CLARKSON, for the prosecution, recommended him to mercy.— Confined Nine Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-421
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown
SentenceTransportation; Transportation

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421. ISAAC COOPER, THOMAS KNOTT . and RICHARD PALMER . were indicted for that they, being subjects of our Lady the Queen, and mariners, on board a vessel, on the High Seas, and within the jurisdiction of the Admiralty, did betray their trust, and piratically steal the said vessel. 2nd Count: for simple larceny.

MESSRS. PAYNE and W. J. PAYNE conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES HOWARD . I am a ship owner, and am owner of a fishing smack called the Experiment. The prisoner Cooper was appointed master of her by my agent, Mr. Wooster, who had authority from me to appoint the proper persons to navigate the vessel—when I purchased the vessel, a person named George Lott was the master, and be remained so about four or five months—the vessel was sent down to my fishing establishment at Grimsby.

JOHN RAWDON WOOSTER . I live at Great Grimsby, and am agent for Mr. Howard. I appointed Cooper master of the Experiment on 2nd Jan. last—he had made one voyage in her before; he had only been ten or twelve days in he employment before 2nd Jan.—she was sent from Great Grimsby on 4th Jan.—at that time a man named Dennis was mate, and Swale was the teaman, and there was a boy on board named Ford—the instructions I gave Cooper were to go and catch a voyage of fish and bring the fish back as soon as possible, as I should send them to London—he was to get the fish off Grimsby, at what they call the fishing grounds off Flamborough Head—under ordinary circumstances they are away three or four days; that is the average time of a fishing trip—I received this letter (produced) from Cooper on 8th Jan.—it is his writing, though he has not signed his own name to it—(read—"Scarborough, 8th Dec. Mr. Wooster, Sir,—We arrived in here last night very leaky indeed, we could scarce keep her up; we had a little fish, out very stale; we could not sell it at all, and we had no provisions on board;

we was able to borrow a sovereign of a man here to buy tome, and wish you to send it by return of post, because he is a very poor man and wants it. Please to send word what we must do to the vessel, she is not fit to go out again. You must send some money to repair her with, for we cannot get any done here without, and direct your letter for William Beeson, fishmonger Scarborough") I received that letter on 9th or 10th Jan.; the date of Dec. must be a mistake—I did not send any money in consequence of that—I sent a man to see if what Cooper stated was true, and gave him orders to have the vessel caulked, if necessary, and gave him money for the purpose—he went there and did all that was necessary, and left—about 13th or 14th Feb. I saw Dennis the mate and Swale—they made a communication to me—I received this other letter from Cooper—it is his writing—(read—"New Dieppe, 7th Feb., 1852. Mr. Wooster, Sir,—We arrived in here on Saturday; we was blows here short of provisions, and went to the English Consul for some money; he let me have some, but not enough to serve us to pay all the expenses. I went to him again for some more to pay the harbour dues, but he would not let me have any to pay it with, so the harbour master has stopped us here. We cannot get away for the sum of 2l. or 3l.; they are a very queer lot of people about here. There is a biliy boy lying here almost the same way; the Consul will not let them have money, nor anything, so we must lie here without provisions or anything. We had an old anchor and chain we woe obliged to sell to buy things for the vessel; and I do not know how long we may be lying here if they do not get paid their harbour dues. I should wish to have some money to get clear of this lot of villains, for they are big rascals, and I do not know what to make of them at all. So no more at present from your bumble servant, J. W. Cooper.") The vessel was brought back to Grimsby by Mr. West, and the prisoners were sent home in custody—I have here an inventory which I made of the things in the vessel when she sailed from Grimsby (producing it)—at the time I gave the vessel in charge to Cooper there was on board 180 fathoms of chain cable, two bower anchors, two keilges, one boat anchor, four small anchors, two grapnels, a two-hour glass, three glass compasses, and five jibs—when the vessel came back, a great many of these things were gone—I missed one bower anchor, two kedge anchors, about 120 fathoms of the chain cable, the two-hour glass, a compass, a jib, and a quantity of rope—the value of all the things that were missing was, I should say, upwards of 50l.—the value of the vessel is 300l.

Cooper. You say you shipped me as master, and told me to go and get a voyage of fish, and get back again; you never said any such thing; you said, "When you come in, bring me a pair or two of soles," that was all; not a word was mentioned about getting a voyage of fish, or anything else. Witness. I did mention it; he was well aware that a vessel is never gone above two or three days—I had no intention of trusting him with the vessel for eight, nine, or ten weeks—I did not mention the number of days he was to be absent, but I naturally expected he would not be gone more than three or four—the crew were to have half what the vessel earned, the master was to have a share and a quarter and half a quarter, and the men a share and half a quarter each—there are eight shares—they went on the share system—they bad about a month's supply of provisions; the object of that was to prevent dock dues—there is a dock at Great Grimsby, and every time a vessel comes in she pays 5s.; so she was victualled for a month that she might come into the roads, and go out again—he made a voyage before as mate, and was only gone four or five days—a fishing voyage of nine or ten weeks would not be profitable—we never allow our vessels to be out that time—

our object was to send the fish up to the London market by the Great Northern Railway; we have a contract with that company for that purpose—I did not authorise Cooper to go to New Dieppe for tobacco or spirits.

Cooper. Q. In what condition was the vessel when we shipped? A. I heard no complaint—a little twine had got out of the seams which caused her to leak, but that was put to rights in a few hours at Scarborough—there was lcwt. of meat and lcwt. of biscuit on board, that is considered sufficient for a month—we do not find liquor, but we do find either small beer or sugar and coffee, which they like.

JOHN SWALE . I was seaman on board the Experiment. On 4th Jan. we sailed from Grimsby—Cooper was the master, Dennis mate, and a boy named Ford was on board—we fished off the north ground, about sixty miles from Grimsby, we caught seven pots of soles, and several baskets of offal, such as haddock and plaice—we took them into Scarborough, and the soles were sent off by railroad—Dennis then left the vessel, and the prisoner Palmer was taken in his place—he was known by the name of Dover Dick—while we were at Scarborough, Cooper said that the fish fetched 2l. 17s.—he told me he had sent the soles away by railway, but the other part of it was sent for manure, it was no use, it was so stale—he did not mention Mr. Wooster's name—we went out again on another trip and caught some more fish—before that, the vessel was repaired at Scarborough; the repairs were done under the direction of Mr. Scott, a man who was employed by Mr. Wooster—after that she was pretty tight—she made a little water, but nothing of any consequence—we then fished about thirty or forty miles from Scarborough—we caught about ten baskets of soles, and three baskets of brill and turbot, and five or six baskets of offal, such as haddock and plaice—we took them to Sunderland, and Cooper sold them—I do not knew exactly what he got for them—I got some of the money; some he gave to Palmer, and the other he got for himself—we were by the share; there was no reckoning up about it—I bad asked him before we got in there if he could let me have a sovereign or 30s., as I had a wife at home, and I bad been five or six weeks on board and bad only had 5s. or 6s.; so I believe I got as much as was due to me—Cooper and I both joined the vessel, together—he was then mate—that was not on this voyage—I got very little money before—we went into Sunderland on the Tuesday, and left on the Saturday; while there I heard Palmer make mention to Cooper about taking part of a troll warp ashore to sell—he did not do it—I heard him propose to take some rope ashore to sell—I told him it would be foolish to attempt such a thing as that, if he did he would be sure to get taken to gaol—he said, "You are a fool; there is no fear of these lads, they are not like other lads"—once before that I heard him say that he would go across, provided he could get anything to go for—he did not say where he would go, further than that he would go across—that is generally understood to mean going across to Holland—he did not say for what purpose—it is understood to mean going for tobacco—I have heard him say that he could draw money on the vessel—it was once talked of that if they could not get a freight at Sunderland they would go to Yarmouth, and see if they could get one there—they did ndt say anything to me about the stores—I left the vessel, because they were taking rope ashore, belonging to the vessel to sell, and they were going smuggling, and all that, so I saw it would not do, and they were too much given to drink—I knew very well that by going across they meant going smuggling—they were short of provisions, and they talked of laying up the stores to buy some—when I arrived at Grimsby, I saw Mr. Wooster—I was told he wanted to see me, and I went and made a communication to him

—I heard Palmer say that he had been across three or four times—I do not know whether Palmer sold any of the rope at Sunderland—he was getting it ready to take ashore when I left the vessel—Cooper was then ashore—I do not know whether he knew of it or not.

Cooper. He said at first that he saw me take the rope ashore, and now he says that I was ashore at the time; I was on deck when he left, and bid him good-bye; this is the first time he ever went a fishing voyage, and he does not know what price fish fetches. Witness. It is my second voyage, I hid been out with Cooper before; we were then out four or five clays—we went out from Grimsby and came back to Grimsby—Cooper did bid me good-bye when I left the vessel—I do not know the value of fish—at the time Palmer was packing up the rope, Cooper was asleep in ray bed—I awoke him and got my clothes ashore before the rope went, for fear I should be connected with it—that was on the Saturday morning—I had heard him talk about selling it on the Friday night.

Palmer. On Friday night the master ordered me to clean the rope up; I did so by his order, and put it on one side in two baskets, after washing it out. Witness. He did not wash it out while I was on board.

SAMUEL FORD . I was a boy on board the Experiment. We went from Great Grimsby about the beginning of the year—Mr. Moore was master when we first went out; the second time Cooper was master, Dennis mate, and Swale seaman—we went fishing, I cannot say how far from Grimsby, and caught plaice, haddock, soles, and other fish—we took them to Scarborough—Dennis then left, and Palmer, or Dover Dick, came in his place—the vessel was caulked all over at Scarborough—we then went fishing again, and caught soles, haddock, and plaice—we took it to Sunderland; some men and women came on board and bought it—I saw some of them pay for it—Cooper sold the fish—Swale left the vessel, and Knott was taken in his place—I heard Cooper and Palmer say, they should like to go across, they did not say what for; the vessel left Sunderland on Monday morning—she went along the coast to Flamborough-head, where there is a light, and then went across to Holland—we had one night's haul of fish before we went into harbour there—a Dutchman who took the ropes ashore took the fish—the rope he took was old rope that was lying about the vessel—I remember the big jib being sold at New Dieppe, a kedge anchor, and some chain—the Dutchman took it in the boat—I do not know who told him to take it—I took a compass to a man's house, not the same man that had the other things; Dover Dick told me to take it—I saw some fathoms of chain cable taken away—Cooper, Knott, and Palmer, were all down in the forecastle at the time the Dutchman took it away—it was pulled out of the hold, the prisoners were there at the time.

Palmer. When he took the compass, the captain was in custody of a policeman, and he came down and said, "You must give me something, or I can't get clear," and I told the boy to take the compass; the captain ordered me to give it him. Witness. It was Palmer that gave me the compass, it was down in the cabin at the time—the vessel was in the harbour at New Dieppe—I saw a policeman there with a stick, but I did not know that he was a policeman.

MR. HOWARD re-examined. In going along the coast from Sudherland to the Lemon light, you have to pass Grimbsy—the Lemon light is about forty-five or fifty miles to the southerward of Grimbsy—the Spurn light is at the lowest part of the Humber—I do not know the wind was at that time; they could have got into Grimpsy if they had chosen—if I had going to Holland,

I should have shaped my course straight from Sunderland; but I suppose they, not knowing much about it, made for the Lemon light—there was nothing to prevent their coming into Grimsby.

SAMUEL PARK . I was a boy on board the Experiment. I was taken on board at Scarborough, about 16th or 17th Jan.—we left there that same morning, and went on the fishing ground—I think we caught nine pots and seventeen or eighteen baskets—they were sold at Sunderland to men and women, who came on board—I saw some money paid to Cooper—we staid at Sunderland a week—the prisoners were ashore during that time, sometimes they were aboard at night, and sometimes not—a day or two before we left Sunderland, Swale went away—he told me something before he left—I did not intend to leave, as I did not know where to go to—the vessel left Sunderland on Monday morning; we went along the coast that day, it came on to blow, and we were brought up in Whitby-roads—we staid there two days and two nights—we then started and went past Grimsby; we had fine weather all that day, and ran up with a fair wind, there was nothing to prevent our going into Grimsby—we could have gone in with a nice fair wind; we were sailing all that night, and did not see anything of the light boat; next day it was rather hazy, and we made the Lemon light—we took our course from there across to Holland—we caught some fish before we went there—we sold it at New Dieppe—at least not sold it; a man came off to take the rope to haul us in, and he took it ashore; we had a bottle of gin and a pound of tobacco for it—some chain was taken ashore there, a large bower anchor, a compass, and two kedge anchors; I do not know what else, a Dutchman took them away—the three prisoners were present when they were taken—the Dutchman could not have taken them away without they had let him.

Cooper. He states we were all present when the anchor and chains were taken but of the vessel; we were not; I was on board, but these two men were not. Witness. They were all there when I went down, but when the anchor went, only the skipper was there—I cannot say how the wind was when we went past Grimsby, but I know it was a fair wind—I have been at sea nearly three years, and ought to know when the wind is fair.

JAMES VINCENT WEST . I was chief officer of the Lion steam ship, which trades between Dieppe and London. I was at Dieppe in Jan. last—there is a fine harbour there, the sea flows into it, and ships go in—I saw the Experiment there—I received a communication from a Mr. Saunders, and returned to London in the Lion, and was employed by Mr. Howard to fetch the Experiment over—I arrived again at Dieppe on 22nd Feb.—the prisoners were then on board the Dutch guard ship, by order of the British Consul—I took charge of the Experiment—I found her in rather a deplorable state, very short of stores, and of very nearly every description of things—I found 120 fathom of chain cable gone, three anchors, a big jib, a two-hour glass, a compass, and pair of boat grips—I saw Cooper on board the guard ship, and he told me as far as he knew about the things—I went where he told me to go—at a Jew's I found sixty fathom of cable, a best bower anchor, a jib, and a pair of boat grips—it appeared that the Jew had also purchased the kedge anchors, but I could not find them in his place—I was obliged to buy other things to supply their place—I engaged two men, and with their assistance and the boys brought the vessel to Grimsby—we sailed from Dieppe on 23rd Feb. at 11 o'clock, and arrived at Grimsby at 3 next day—I saw the prisoners on board the Lion in custody—I consider the Experiment was a very fast sailer; she averaged eight knots an hour, she was seaworthy, or I should not have come home in her.

RICHARD WHITE (Thames-police inspector). I received the prisoners into custody at the Thames police-station—I told Cooper they were charged with running away with the smack Experiment, and selling part of her stores, at New Dieppe—he said they were driven by stress of weather, and were obliged to sell the jib, anchors, and chain for 5l., for provisions—I asked him how long the vessel was stored for when he left Great Grimsby—he said a month—I asked how long he had been out—he said three weeks and a few days—I said, "That is a long time to be out; you must have caught some fish during that time"—he said, "Yes, we caught some fish; but sold none"—in the evening I asked him who it was that signed the bill for 12l. 15s., as the name of George Lott was on it—he said he had signed Lott's name, he being the prior master of the vessel.

Cooper's Defence. After we left Sunderland we were brought up in Whitby-roads; we had a haul in what is called Botany Gut, and caught some plaice there; we then shaped our course for Grimsby (we did not want to go to Grimsby from Sunderland, because we had no fish to go in with); but in the afternoon it came on to blow, and we were obliged to lay-to all night; early next morning we sighted Camper down, and, being short of provisions, we were obliged to go to New Dieppe; and when the pilot came on board next morning, there were four leaks in the vessel.

COOPER— GUILTY on 2nd Count. Aged 24.— Transported for Ten Years.

PALMER— GUILTY on 2nd Count. Aged 27.— Transported for Seven Years.


(There was a further charge against Cooper for stealing the cable: to which he pleaded Guilty. There was another charge against him for forging a bill of exchange; and two charges against Knott for stealing the articles in the vessel; on which MR. PAYNE offered no evidence.)

NEW COURT.—Saturday, April 10th, 1852.

PRESENT—Mr. Baron MARTIN; Sir JAMES DUKE, Bart., Ald.; and Mr. Ald. FINNIS.

Before Mr. Baron Martin and the Fifth Jury.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-422
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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422. ALEXANDER THOMPSON and HENRY LEE . unlawfully meeting together with intent, &c.


5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-423
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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423. THOMAS HASELHUM . forging and uttering a receipt for 10s., with intent to defraud: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 27.—Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor.— Confined Twelve Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-424
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Miscellaneous > sureties; Imprisonment

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GUILTY .— Confined Twelve Months each.

MATTHEW CANTY pleaded GUILTY .—Recommended to mercy.— To appear and receive Judgment when called on.

MR. BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS WEAKFORD (police sergeant, H 5). I was on duty in Fieldgate-street,

Whitechapel, on 24th Feb., about two o'clock in the morning—I went to the corner of New-street—there was a crowd of eight or ten persons making a noise—I asked them to go home—they continued to make a disturbance—there were three of us—we went a little way from them, and when we got to New-street they commenced throwing stones and pieces of brick at us—I sent for further assistance, and Williams and Bickell came—we went down New-street, and were still assailed by stones and pieces of brick—they went into New-court, and we followed them—they were making a noise all the time, and pelting us with stones—as I was approaching the court, a piece of brick, thrown by John Sullivan, struck me on the left shoulder—I had seen him before—I took him into custody, and he was instantly rescued from us by Francis Sullivan and others, some of whom are not in custody—they took him into 8, New-court—I followed him into the house, caught him again, and instantly I seized him I was struck on the back of my head with a piece of wood by Francis Sullivan—it caused me partially to fall to the ground—I had my hat on, Honora Sullivan knocked it off, and instantly seized me by the hair of my head—she commenced striking me with her fist, and scratching me, tearing the skin off my face, and at that time I was struck with a piece of iron on the side of my head either by Ronan or John Sullivan—Honora Sullivan had hold of my hair at that time, and was scratching me—I bled very much from the effects of the blow, and became partially insensible—I saw Francis Sullivan strike at Williams with a chopper—I got up, and was forced back on the stove by Ronan and John Sullivan—Honora Sullivan still had hold of my hair—she was more violent than the men—I cannot say whether the door was fastened, for I was forced to the further end of the room—when I got up I was coming towards the door, and was caught under my knees, and tossed out of the door—when I got out I was assisted out of the court, and fell insensible—I was attended by Mr. Mears, the surgeon, and was prevented from attending duty for fourteen days.

Honora Sullivan. He struck me with his staff. Witness. No, I did not; I had no opportunity of using it—I did not see any one strike her with a staff—I was not present when the prisoners were apprehended.

JOHN HARRIS BICKHILL (policeman, H 149). I was called to assist Weakford—I saw John Sullivan rescued from the police—Francis Sullivan was present—they took him to a house on the right, No. 8—when I got into the house Francis Sullivan struck a blow at me with a chopper, which cut my hat in two, and immediately Mary Donovan made a blow at my head with this part of a tressel—I dropped my staff, and John Sullivan took it up—I took it from him, and Francis Sullivan struck Williams on the head with the chopper—I saw the blood from the wound: it flew in my face—Williams was so hurt, that he got out of the window and escaped—after we left the house they commenced throwing stones and bricks at us—I saw Williams afterwards—his head was bleeding very much out in the court—he went outside, and waited till we came out.

FRANCIS WILLIAMS (policeman, H 113). I was with Bickell and Weak-ford—I was struck over the head with a chopper, which cut my head—I was pushed back to the door by Francis Sullivan and Mary Donovan—I was struck in the mouth with a stool by Honora Sullivan.

Honora Sullivan. This man and the other struck me. Witness. No, I did not; Donovan had not any clothes on—I think Honora Sullivan had part of her clothes on.

JOHN MACKAY (policeman, 66 H). I went into the house—I saw Francis Sullivan—he had a chopper in his hand—Mary Canty was handing bricks to

Matthew Canty, who was inside, and who threw a brick through the window which struck policeman 217, on the shoulder—they got some reaping hooks and John Sullivan struck a blow with a reaping book in the door post which broke it—Mary Canty had a chamber utensil in her hand, which she threw, and struck me on the shoulder—I saw Francis Sullivan make a blow with this chopper—Ronan had a knife in his hand, and he made a dart at policeman 178.

Mary Canty's Defence. I was in bed and the policeman came up and said, "Kill them;" I covered myself with the clothes over my head, and they made me get up, and struck me; I do not know anything about it.

Witnesses for the Defence.

CATHERINE HARDING . I was in bed, and the first thing that awoke me was smashing the door and window, down stairs—I saw a policeman come and take my husband by the waist and throw him down stairs.

NANCE NELLIGAN . (This witness could only speak Irish, and was examined, through an interpreter.) I heard John Sullivan and Ronan come in—I raised up my head and saw the policeman outside—he said he would smash John Sullivan's head—he struck the window outside, and broke it in—Ronan was running in a coal cellar, and the policeman was going to strike him, I do not know whether he did—John Sullivan did nothing but come in at the time—two or three minutes after a stronger force of police came, and broke in the door—some of them went in the loft—I was in bed, and was struck by a policeman, who cut my leg, and I got up, and went to a neighbour's house—I did not see this chopper in any person's hand that night.

JULIA CANTY . I was with Mary Donovan, and Mary Canty, in one bed—we were asleep—I heard the door and window smashing—we stopped in bed a good bit till the police came, and beat us—Mary Donovan asked me what it was—they beat Canty in bed—he got out, and they pushed him down stairs by the feet.

MART MALONEY . I was in bed—I heard a noise of the door and windows breaking—I got up, and looked out of the window—I saw a policeman throw a brick in the window—they then came and took Canty, and pulled him out of bed—I ran to bed—I did not wait to see any more, as I was going out to work at six o'clock.

JOHN CANTY . I was sleeping in the same house up stairs—I heard the door break in, and they came up stairs and dragged me out of bed, and cut my head—I thought I should never get over it—I was about three weeks ill—Matthew Canty was in the next bed to me, with his wife—I did not see anything happen to them.

JOHN WOOD . I was sleeping in bed, and was awakened by hearing the row—I went to the window and was looking out—I heard the door breaking in by the police—they brought John Sullivan out, and beat him.

RICHARD THOMAS . I live in the next house—I was in bed, and heard the noise, and the breaking in of the door—I got up, opened the window, and saw four or five policemen come, with one of these men—they laid him down and beat him—they then went in and brought another man out in his shirt.




Confined Three Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-425
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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425. FRANCIS SHARRAD . stealing 1 shilling, the moneys of Lewis Silberberg, his master.

MR. GIFFORD conducted the Prosecution.

LEWIS SILBERBERG . I am a cigar manufacturer, in Fleet-street. The prisoner was in my service. On 25th March I put some marked money into

the till, a half-crown, eleven shillings, 4s. 6d. in sixpences, two 3d.-pieces, one 4d.-piece, and 4s. 10d. in coppers, about 12 o'clock, and went out about a quarter of an hour afterwards—I came back about a quarter-past 3—I sent the prisoner out directly; he was gone about a quarter of an hour—he did not go out again—I got the policeman in the evening—I told the prisoner that I bad a suspicion that he had been robbing my till every day, and I wished to know what he had sold that day (this was between 8 and 9 o'clock)—he said he had sold 1 lb. of cigars for 22s.—I asked whether he had sold anything else—he could not recollect at first, and then he said he had sold half a pound of cigars for 7s.—I asked whether he had sold anything else—he could not recollect at first; at last he said be sold three bundles of cigars, at 2s. 6d. a bundle, making 7s. 6d.—I asked him whether he sold anything else—he could not recollect; but when I mentioned half a pound of cavendish, he said, "O yes! I sold half a pound of cavendish for 4s."—I asked him whether he had taken any money out of the till—he said, "No"—the policeman asked him, and then he said, "I put half-a-crown into the till, and took out 2s. 6d."—this was after he had been searched in the counting-house—there was in the till after I came back, including the marked money, two sovereigns in gold, fifteen shillings, seven half-crowns, thirteen sixpences, three 4d.-pieces, two 3d.-pieces, and 3s. 8d. in copper—the money I marked was the only money I left in the till when I went out—there was no sovereign when I left the house—all the coin was marked except the copper—when I came back I found 3l. 4s. 2d.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. How long had he been with you? A. Fifteen months, or rather better—he did not state to me some time ago that he intended to leave me—he was with me two months, and then he said he would go—I said he could go, and then he came back again and said he would rather stay—that was about June—at that time his salary was 20l. a year—I increased it to 25l. after he had been with me six months—I believe that was not in June; it may have been—I cannot recollect—I know he was six months with me then—I did not hear two or three weeks ago of his intention to leave his situation—I have a brother-in-law named Goldstein—he did not tell me that the prisoner was about to leave—I never heard that he was going to set up a shop—I have another establishment at 19, St. Martin's-le-grand—I am there almost every day—I left the prisoner while I was away at my other establishment—that was the first time I had put marked money into the till—I did not tell anybody that I had been laying a trap for the b—r, but he would not bite—I never made use of such language—I have only one till—there are three holes in front, and two behind, which are for silver and gold; for large money—there are different holes for different coin, copper, silver, and gold—when there is too much silver in front I put it behind—I would put a sixpence behind to make up a sovereign—I put even pounds behind—his wages were 25l. a year, paid monthly, and his board.

ALFRED GREEN (City policeman, 376). I took the prisoner between 8 and 9 o'clock—I called the prosecutor and the prisoner into the back shop—I told the prisoner his master suspected him of robbing him—he said he had been too honest—I asked him if he had taken any money from the till; he said, "No"—I told him I must search him, and asked him to take out what money he had—he took out this purse, which contained two sovereigns, six shillings, and one sixpence—one of the shillings is marked—this is it—I asked him how he accounted for the possession of that marked shilling—he said he had put a half-crown in the till and taken out the change—I then took him to the station.

Cross-examined. Q. I believe you searched his boxes and found no other money whatever? A. No.


5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-426
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown

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426. THOMAS WALKER and ELIZA WALKER . breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Samuel Ruddock, and stealing several pieces of jean and other goods, value 60l.; his property:—2nd COUNT, receiving the same.

MR. CLARKSON conducted the Prosecution.

KAISTER HOOPER . I am in the employ of Mr. Samuel Ruddock, who keeps a Manchester warehouse at 20, Anchor-street, Bethnal-green—I have the management of the stock kept at the warehouse—a clerk and another man sleep on the premises, who were servants to Mr. Ruddock. On Saturday evening, 31st Jan., I left the premises about 9 o'clock—the goods were all safe on the premises then—the next morning I went to the warehouse about 9—the chain which fastened the grating of the cellar was broken—it had been safe the over-night for anything I know—it was not my duty to attend to it—I examined the warehouse and missed a large quantity of coutill, one truss of patent stitched coutill, and another truss containing nine pieces of satteen, two pieces of nankeen, and one piece of 44-inch patent stitched coutill—the value of all was between 60l. and 70l.—a part of the goods I missed are here, and the numbers on these goods correspond with the invoice—I think the value of what I have found is between 40l. and 50l.

Cross-examined by MR. WOOLLETT. Q. Who carries on the business at this place? A. Mr. Ruddock; in his absence Mrs. Ruddock does—he has a shoe-shop in Lambeth-walk, and has a man there—Mr. Ruddock is the proprietor.

CLEMENT EWER . I am a carver, of 1, Bath-court, Tabernacle-square. I have seen the prisoners go in and out of the next house, No. 2—the first time I saw them was on Saturday, 7th Feb., about a quarter past 7 in the morning—I saw two men, one of whom was the male prisoner—they had a barrow with them, which had a lot of fish baskets on the top, similar to what they bring herrings in—he had on a brown coat—I saw the goods in the barrow taken into the house by the female prisoner—the male prisoner gave them to her—the baskets were turned over off the barrow—there were two lawn bags, which seemed very heavy—they were taken in the house—the male prisoner then went in the house, and the other man wheeled the barrow away—about three days previous to that they were painting the house up—it was empty—I never saw the prisoners or anybody else residing there after the male prisoner went in, the woman having received the goods—I did not see either of them come out—the prisoner lives at the corner of Hope-street, in Phoenix-street, and keeps a beer-shop—I went to the house by direction of the inspector.

Cross-examined. Q. When did you first give information of this? A. I gave no information till the parties came to me on the Monday week following—I was told not—the inspector came and asked me if I knew anything about it—I told him I did—I am a carver—I work on my own account—I have not a shop, but a private house—I carry on my business up-stairs—I have seen a brown coat produced—that was not the coat I saw on that occasion—I never saw the prisoners before that.

GEORGE TEAKLE (police-sergeant, H 8). I produce 21 pieces of jean, which I found at 2, Bath-court, on Monday morning, 9th Feb.—the house was locked, and I opened it with a key which I got from Thomas Walker that morning—I had met him by appointment overnight in Virginia-row,

Bethnal-green—I did not know at that time that there were any goods in the room, and therefore I did not take him then—on the night of the 6th I had searched his house and took him, but there was no charge against him, and he was allowed to go—there was a man and a woman then in custody, and, in consequence of what they said, I went to the prisoner's house—I told him there was a man and woman in custody for offering for sale some goods belonging to Mr. Ruddock, which were part of the property stolen—I said, "Your name has been mentioned; they state they had the property from you, and I must search your place"—he said, "Very well, I know nothing about it"—I took him to the station, leaving a constable outside the door—when I took the prisoner to the station I had him in sight of the man and the woman, and they said, "That is the man we had the property from"—Walker said, "I don't know you at all; I never saw you before"—he was allowed to go back; I made an arrangement to meet him next morning, and he met me accordingly.

Cross-examined. Q. You allowed Walker to go? A. Yes; because I thought he might give me some assistance—I intimated that to him—I said, "I suspect a party that comes to your beer-house, and I think you might assist me in this"—I knew of this robbery about three weeks before I took Walker—I was sent for to examine the premises—it was after I told Walker that he might render me some assistance; he did render me some.

COURT. Q. As I understand, you made an appointment with him? A. Yes; he gave me the key of this house—he told me he had been up the whole night, and it had cost him 3l. odd, and that it had passed through several hands before it came to his—he told me he thought I should find the things in the house—I found them there on the ground floor, standing upright—I found nothing in the house but these goods.

LAZARUS MYERS . I am a tailor, of 3, Three Tun-alley. I know Walker, I work for him—I remember being taken into custody for having some jean—I got it from Walker—he brought me a bit of a sample, and I gave it to my wife; it was such as this—my wife went to a woman in Whitechapel to show her the sample—in consequence of what my wife said, I went to Walker—I saw him and told him I wanted the same jean, and he cut me a piece off of twenty yards—I brought it to the woman in Whitechapel—she looked at it, and said, "I want some more"—that is the woman (Mrs. Marchant)—she sent me for some more, and when I got five or six yards from the shop, I and my wife were taken in charge by a constable to the station—shortly after we were there, about 8 o'clock at night, Walker was brought there—I pointed him out as the person of whom I bought the goods—he denied it, and said he did not know me—I said, "To-morrow, when I am brought to the Magistrate, I will prove you, you know I worked for you"—he denied it; they let him go, and I and my wife were taken the next day to Worship-street—I was discharged—these are the goods I sold to Mrs. Marchant.

Cross-examined. Q. Did a policeman ever take you before that day? A. No; I never was before a Magistrate in my life before.

ELIZABETH MYERS . I am the wife of the last witness. I saw the prisoner five or six weeks ago—he brought a bit of jean to me as a sample—I took it to Mrs. Marchant's, in Whitechapel—I afterwards went to Walker, at the beer shop, I told him it did not suit me, we did not use this kind, but I fancied a staymaker would buy it—he said, "Come in, Mrs. Myers, if you have anything to say, come in"—I did not receive any more of the jean, but on the Friday following the lady came, and said, "You never brought me the jean"—I said I was poorly, and had not got out—she said, "Would you

oblige me to get me twenty yards?"—I said I did not know—my husband went and got it, and she waited an hour in my house—she got twenty yards from me, and I and my husband were stopped by the policeman—when we were taken to the station, I saw Walker, he said, "I don't know you; I never saw you before"—my husband said, "Did not I work for you for three years, and you don't know me? I will let you know to-morrow."

Cross-examined. Q. You did not get much by this? A. No; I sold it at the same price that he offered it me, at 6d. a yard—it was merely to oblige the person that I had it.

MARIA MARCHANT . I am the wife of John Marchant, a stay maker, in Whitechapel. On 3rd Feb. Mrs. Myers brought a sample of jean to me—in consequence of something I heard, I went to her on the Friday, and she and her husband brought me twenty yards of it—I did not purchase it, it was brought to my house, and Mr. Ruddock was there, he desired me to tell them to get some more—I gave the same twenty yards to the officer that Myers had brought to me.

JOHN HUSSEY (policeman, 218 H). I took the two Myers in custody on 6th Feb.—they were charged with having this piece of jean in their possession—when they were taken to the station, they said where they had it from—in consequence of what they said, I went to Walker's.

JAMES BRANNAN (police inspector). I know the prisoner—in consequence of information, I went with Evans on the night of 25th March to the Hope beer-shop, in Hope-street, Bethnal-green—Walker keeps it—the door was partly open—when Walker saw me, he endeavoured to close it—I got in—we told him we belonged to the police, and we wanted him for a robbery—he said, "No, you don't; you are brokers, and want to get possession"—I took him to the station, and sent for Ewer—on his coming Walker beckoned me, and said, "I know what you want; that man came to swear against me, about Mr. Ruddock's affair"—next morning Myers and his wife were waiting, and the female prisoner nudged her husband on his elbow, and said, "Of course, Tom, you know nothing about it, you got it from that man to sell?"—he said, "Of course not"—I said, "What is that?"—he said, "I want a cab."

Cross-examined. Q. I believe you know the prisoners are husband and wife? A. I know they lived together—I always considered they passed as man and wife.

ISAAC CROSS . I am in the employ of Mr. Ruddock. I am porter of the warehouse, No. 20, Anchor-street—I sleep there—at half-past 10 at night, on 31st Jan., I saw the grating quite secured by a chain, which was sound—next morning, at a quarter-past 8, I discovered the warehouse had been entered, and the goods gone—the chain of the grating had been broken—I gave information—I secured the warehouse door, on the Saturday night, locked it, and took the key up stairs; the next morning I found both the bolts drawn back, and the box of the lock wrenched off.

SARAH RUDDOCK . I am the wife of Samuel Ruddock, of No. 7, Paradise-row, Bethnal-green—I left the warehouse on 31st Jan., about half-past 9 in the evening—the chain that secured the grating was all safe—the property was all there—this property (produced) is part of what was lost.

JOHN HOLMES . I am a cabinet maker, of Holywell-lane—I am landlord of No. 2, Bath-place—I let the house on 29th Jan., and gave possession of it on the 31st to a female, but not the female prisoner—I never saw the party since.

THOMAS WALKER— GUILTY of Receiving. Aged 28.

Transported for Ten Years.


Case omitted before MR. COMMON SERJEANT on Monday.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-427
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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427. EDWARD LOVETT . stealing a bottle and 4 1/2 ounces of essence of lemon, value 2s. 4d.; the goods of John Allen Sharwood, his master: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 35.— Confined Three Months.

THIRD COURT.—Saturday, April 10th, 1852.

PRESENT—Sir JOHN KEY, Bart, Ald.; Mr. Ald. COPELAND; Mr. RECORDER; Mr. Ald. MOON; and Mr. Ald. FINNIS.

Before Mr. Recorder and the Seventh Jury.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-428
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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428. ROBERT THOMPSON . unlawfully obtaining 4s. of James M'Gill, 3s. 6d. of James Langham, and 4s. of Robert Moseley Stark, by false pretences: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 43.— Confined Four Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-429
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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429. ROBERT THOMPSON . again indicted for unlawfully obtaining 3s. of John Phillips, and 4s. 6d. of Amelia Paynter, by false pretences: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 43.— Confined Two Months more.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-430
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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430. HORTON BATEMAN . stealing 6s. 6d., the moneys of Jane Gilbert. 2nd COUNT, of John Gilbert. 3rd COUNT, of our Lady the Queen.

MR. RYLAND conducted the Prosecution.

JANE GILBERT . I live in Boston-street, Hackney-road, and am the wife of John Gilbert, who is in Newgate, having been convicted—on 17th March he had been so convicted, and on that day the prisoner came to me and asked if I was Mrs. Gilbert—I said, "Yes"—he said he had come from Newgate, where my husband was confined, and he had been in the same ward with him—I then asked him into the parlour, and asked him how my husband was—he said he was very well in his spirits, but was not able to take the food they had for their breakfast, and he said he should get him in a little chocolate—I asked him what sort of chocolate I should get—he said, "Roll chocolate"—I asked him where I could get such chocolate, and he said he could get it for me as he went along—I asked him how much it would cost—he said, "4s., 2s. a roll"—I gave him 4s.—he then said he could get my husband in, the Weekly Dispatch to read—he did not say what that would cost, but I gave him 1s. for it—he then said I could write a letter to my husband, and he could get it in—I said I could not write—he said he would write one for me, and I could put my name to it—he then wrote a letter, I told him what to put in it, and I signed my name—he then said if I would give him 4s. and a half-crown piece he could get it in to my husband in the letter, and I gave him 4s. and a half-crown, which he put into the letter, and put the letter into an envelope—I cannot say whether he wetted the envelope, but I saw him put his finger on it as if to make it stick—I do not recollect whether he wrote anything outside—he put it into his pocket and left, telling me he would get it in to my husband that night—he called again next day, said he had got the letter, money, and chocolate quite safe to my husband, and he had heard my husband had got into trouble by lending his pencil to another man, and had got put into the dark hole, and wanted to see me very badly, and if I would let him, the prisoner, have a sovereign, he could get it into the prison, and that it would be the cause of my husband being better treated, and he would be able to make some use of it—I told him I had not got a sovereign—he said he had half-a-sovereign he could lend me, if I had

a half-sovereign to put to it—I did not do so, I bad not got one—he then left, and I did not see him again till he was in custody—I had an order from Sheriff Millard to see my husband, and I learned the truth from him.

Prisoner. Q. Are you sure you gave me 11s. 6d.? A. Yes; it was not 10s. 6d.—I do not recollect you saying that you meant to get the things in by a boy—I do not know how you were going to get them in—I have not, nor has any person connected with me, to my knowledge, given any officers of the prison where my husband is confined, any money—I swear I have not done so myself—I swear I did not tell you when you called that I had done so—I have only received one letter written in ink from my husband since his committal, I have not received any written in pencil—I have not received any letters directed "Gilbert and Co., Boston-street, Hackney-road," with "private" on them, and inside "my dear wife"—I said at the station that I had never seen you before, because it was dark, and you looked very different—I do not recollect that I ever said I would not prosecute you—I should recollect it if I had said so.

MR. RYLAND. Q. When you gave him the 6s. 6d. did he say he would deliver it to your husband? A. Yes.

JOHN GILBERT (a prisoner). I am the husband of the last witness. I now come out of Newgate—in March I was in Newgate, under sentence—the prisoner was in the same ward with me about ten days—he learnt from me that I was married, and where my wife lived—I do not know when he was discharged, but he was taken out of the ward where I was about 13th March, for robbing one of the prison officers—he said he was going out on the following week—I did not see him on the day, or shortly before he was discharged—I did not send any message to my wife by him—I did not see him after he left the ward till he was again in custody—he never brought me a letter or any money from my wife—it is not true that I got into disgrace and was put into the black hole.

Prisoner. Q. Do you remember sending two letters to your wife written in pencil? A. No; I did give you one, which you promised to send out—I did not hear subsequently that that had reached my wife, and I have reason to believe it did not reach her—I believe the one that was written was written in pencil, and I asked you to direct it in ink—I was not aware that letters could be got in privately, only you told me they could—I had never at that time beard from any one else that that had been done; I have heard it stated so since, but I have no means of knowing that it was the case—I saw you destroy an envelope which another prisoner had given you.

MR. WILLIAM WADHAM COPE . I am the Governor of Newgate. The prisoner and the last witness were in my custody in Newgate, both under sentence—for about fourteen days they were in the same ward—the prisoner was discharged on 15th March—it is not true that Gilbert has misconducted himself in any way, and been punished; on the contrary, he is one of the best conducted men in the prison.

Prisoner. Q. Was not Gilbert tried before me? A. Yes, for putting a second bill in circulation.

MR. RYLAND. Q. You say Bateman was discharged on 15th, was he ever there again until he was again in custody? A. No; I can undertake to say I never saw him—the prison regulations do not admit of letters, chocolate, or other articles being privately brought into or out of the gaol—it would not be an easy thing to do that—every thing that comes for a prisoner passes through five or six different hands.

Prisoner. Q. Have you not, since I have been in custody on this charge

ascertained that things can easily be privately sent out? A. No; I have not ascertained that that can easily be done; I have heard that such things have been done—I did not hear that from a prisoner.

COURT. Q. Letters? A. Yes; I believe the prisoner has frequently done it—I have been deceived, not through my own officers, but through another person.

EDWARD FUNNELL (City-policeman, 32). I apprehended the prisoner, and told him the charge—I searched him, and found a penknife on him.

Prisoner. Q. Did not Mrs. Gilbert state at the station that she had never seen me before? A. No; she said she did not know that you were the same person, and that she should like to see you by daylight—she did not say she would not prosecute—she did not make a charge—she left her name and address, and I charged you myself—when I took you, you confessed you had bad 10s. 6d. from her, to get her husband some things into prison—you did not tell me that you had obtained it under false pretences.

MR. RYLAND. Q. Was it dark when the prosecutrix was first at the station? A. Yes; I was present when she saw him next day; she was then positive of him; she knew him by his voice—I took him on 27th; I had only been looking for him that day.

(The prisoner wished to address the Jury on the depositions, without their being put in evidence, to show certain discrepancies between the witnesses' statements. The Court decided that, in order to do so, the depositions must be read: and having cautioned the prisoner that that would entitle the Counsel for the prosecution to a reply, allowed the prisoner to comment upon the depositions in his address.)

The prisoner, in his defence, called the attention of the Jury to the variances in the evidence. That Gilbert stated, "I never gave him her address;" and in cross-examination by him (the prisoner), "I never gave him the address of my wife, in pencil, or otherwise;" that he (the prisoner) then turned to the Alderman and stated that the case was perjury from beginning to end; upon which Gilbert stated, "I certainly did give you a letter with my wife's address on it in pencil, and asked you to write it in ink;" that he further stated "To the best of my belief, I only gave you one letter, and I heard from my wife subsequently that the had reached her hands;" and that the wife now swore she had never received it; that he (Gilbert) had only written one letter; and he afterwards stated, "I am not positive whether that letter reached her hands, or a previous one;" that he (Gilbert) knowing the hardships of the prison, and that he (Bateman) was going out in a few days, requested him to ask his (Gilbert's) wife for the money, to procure the articles; and that he having declined to do so, Gilbert wrote to his wife, and requested him (Bateman) to call on her for the articles.)

JANE GILBERT re-examined. I have only received one letter from my husband—that was after the prisoner had been to me for the money—I have never received any letter in pencil.

(The whole of the depositions were then read.)

COURT to JOHN GILLERT. Q. I will just read you your cross-examination by the prisoner when before the Alderman: "I never gave you the address of my wife, either in pencil or otherwise—I must beg pardon, I certainly did give you a letter, with my wife's address written on it in pencil, while you were in the ward with me, and I asked you to write it in ink, but I did not give it you for any other purpose, or request you to see my wife—to the beat of my recollection, I only gave you one letter, and I heard from my wife subsequently that that had reached her hands—I am not positive whether that

letter reached her hands, or a previous one which I had written; I cannot say that I wrote a letter in pencil, and gave it to you to write in ink; I think the address was written in pencil, but I am not positive whether the whole of the letter was written in pencil or not." Can you explain that, "I only gave you one letter, and I heard from my wife subsequently that that had reached her hands?" A. I had sent a letter out by another prisoner, who was leaving the ward previously—I never heard that the one I gave to Bateman reached my wife—I thought it was that one.

COURT to JANE GILBERT. Q. Did you ever receive any other letter from your husband that came by another man? A. No; there was another man came with a piece of paper, with my direction on it, but he did not give it me—he told me how my husband was, and I gave him 2s. for coming, but he did not ask for anything.

MR. RYLAND replied.


(He was further charged with having been before convicted.)

JOHN WRIGHT (City policeman, 647). I produce a certificate from Mr. Clark's office—(read—Henry Bateman convicted, June, 1851, of breaking and entering a dwelling-house, and stealing 20 sovereigns, and a quantity of wearing apparel; confined nine months in Newgate)—I was present—the prisoner is the person.

GUILTY. Aged 20.— Transported for Ten Years.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-431
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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431. CHRISTIANA DIXEY . unlawfully endeavouring to conceal the birth of her male child.


FOURTH COURT.—Saturday, April 10th, 1852.


Before Russell Gurney, Esq., and the Third Jury.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-432
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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432. GEORGE SHIRLEY was indicted for feloniously killing and slaying Hannah Disdall, alias Shirley .

MR. PLATT conducted the Prosecution.

ELIZABETH PARRY . I knew the deceased—the prisoner is the son of the man with whom she lived. On Sunday evening she came home, and could not open the gate—she had had something to drink at 5 o'clock—the prisoner came in, and they quarrelled—she asked him for 1d.—he said he did not owe it—she called him many names—he said he would hit her if she did so again—she hit him on the face—he said he would beat her if she beat him—she threw a knife at him—he ran to take up a poker, and I ran out—she ran out after him, and chucked part of a shovel at him—before she came out I heard her cry out, "Police!"—she said if she caught him she would kill the b—y b—r—her head was bleeding—I saw the prisoner take hold of the poker.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. Was she a violent woman? A. She was dreadfully violent when drunk—when she threw the knife he was standing by the wainscot; he trembled.

JAMES BUCHANAN (policeman, B 8). I took the prisoner at his father's house, and told him he was charged with violently assaulting Mrs. Shirley—he said he was very sorry for it; he had some quarrel with his mother, and struck her on the head with a poker—I produce two pokers, one appears to be the handle of a shovel—I found it in the fireplace—the little girl seemed

to say that it was the handle of a shovel that the boy struck the woman with, but he said it was the poker—I found them both together—he said she threw the shovel after him when he ran out.

Cross-examined. Q. He made no disguise about it? A. No, but stated it at once.

JOHN GRIFFIN . I am a potman, and live in Regent-street. About 5 o'clock on Sunday afternoon I was opening the house, and heard the deceased say she would pay the b—r out—I saw blood running down the left side of her head—she was going away from her house.

GEORGE BRITTON HALFORD . I am house surgeon of Westminster Hospital. I examined the deceased about half past 10 o'clock on Monday morning, and found a scalp wound about an inch long on the left side of the top of her head, exposing the bone—I examined it with a probe, but could detect no fracture—she appeared to have lost the use of her lower limbs—I sent her to the ward, and in order to make a more careful examination I enlarged the wound, but could detect no fracture—she was very noisy and clamorous, and resisted my endeavours to examine her—internal remedies were given to her, and a blister was applied to the nape of her neck—her limbs continued, more or less, in a senseless state till night—I sat up till 2 with her, and desired the nurse to call me if any change took place—her body was convulsed on the left side; she went off into a sleep, and I was not sent for—next morning I went to the dead house and made a post-mortem examination—there were no marks on the body, except that on the scalp; the hone was exposed, and the periosteum knocked off; there was no internal injury besides that—the brain was apparently healthy, with the exception of a small spot of softening in the lower part of it, not at the part corresponding with the wound, on the opposite side to the convulsion; it was an old affair, and unconnected with the blow—the spinal marrow was healthy, the heart was extensively diseased—I cannot form any judgment as to whether she was in the habit of drinking or not—there was a large abdominal aneurism of the aorta—the kidneys were diseased; the lungs were healthy—the smaller vessels of the brain were diseased—it was the same description of disease which pervaded the heart, arteries, kidneys, and the softened part of the brain—she was thirty-two years old, I believe—having been told that a blow was given, I am bound to say that was the cause of death—I believe the blow would have caused her death, although these was no internal disorganisation; I am bound to say so by common tense and reason—a blow of that kind, though not attended with any fracture of the skull, would be likely to prove fatal to a person in that state of disease—the least shock in a diseased state of the system might proof e fatal—she was most extensively diseased; microscopically, there was not a sound tissue in the body—the disease was a fault in nutrition—a blow like that might be inflicted with an instrument of this kind—it would be likely to produce the symptoms on the skull, and the loss of the use of the limbs.

Cross-examined. Q. Not except the party had been diseased in the way you have described? A. Yes; a blow which gave no fracture at all would be likely to produce such appearances in the limbs—I have seen instances of death with not a symptom externally and scarcely any internally; and I have seen many cases where death has been produced by a blow where there has been hardly any external and no internal trace—I believe a woman being in a violent passion, swearing, and gesticulating, would, if in a state of disease, accelerate death, and so would anything that would produce a great effect to the mind, any shock to the nervous system—I nave heard that she was swearing violently at the prisoner, and that she struck him twice with her fist—

that would have a tendency to accelerate death in her state; but still I think a blow would have a tendency to have that effect.

COURT. Q. Supposing you had found no marks of a blow, and had heard a description of her violence and passion, would that be sufficient to account for death in such a subject? A. Yes; I believe it would—my opinion then would have been that she died from excitement, some shock to the system which I could not trace—if I had not heard of her being in a passion, but saw the marks of the blow, I should have given a confident opinion that death was caused by the blow—it is a constant thing for people to die of inflammation of the brain, and yet we cannot detect microscopically any cause of death.

Q. Having evidence of a blow, and of her being in a passion, can you state which of those two caused the death? A. The blow was on the left, and the convulsions were confined to the right limbs, and when one side of the brain is injured, the opposite side of the body always is affected—she bad not lost the sensation of the left leg, only of the right.

(The prisoner received a good character.)


5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-433
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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433. DANIEL BILLINGTON . feloniously cutting and wounding Ellen Sweeney, with intent to maim and disable her.—2nd COUNT, to do her some grievous bodily harm.

MR. COOPER conducted the Prosecution.

ELLEN SWEENEY . I am single, and live at 1, Bakers' Arms-alley, Rosemary-lane. On 22nd March I was living with the prisoner; we did not go to bed at all that night—I was not lying on the bed—Mrs. Mahoney was on her bed asleep; her bed adjoins ours; there are only two beds in the room—I and the prisoner were sitting on a basket; we were both drunk; we called one another nasty names, and I do not know what occurred afterwards—nothing happened to me more than a kind of scratch in my back and in my side—I do not know who gave them to me—I was tossicated, and do not know how it happened—I do not rightly know who gave me the scratch; I swear that—there was not much blood came from it, very little—I walked to the hospital.

COURT. Q. You were examined before a Magistrate, and I know what you stated there? A. I am sorry for it, I was terrified, and do not know what I said—I swear I do not know who or what gave me these cuts—there was no one in the room but Mrs. Mahoney, the prisoner, and me—Mrs. Mahoney did not stick me, I am quite sure of that—I never saw the prisoner with a knife in my life.

HANNAH MAHONEY . I live at Bakers'Arms-alley. On 22nd March I was in bed asleep—I was awoke by the last witness screaming "Murder! rise up and save me, for he has got a knife"—I did not see a knife—I took up her linen and saw a great deal of blood flowing from her—I saw a wound which gaped open—I only saw one wound—when I awoke, the prisoner was standing up—Sweeney had run out of the room and left him behind—I did not see him go to the window; it was shut—I did not leave the room—I did not see him do anything to the window, but I was blind with fright and with the blood.

EDWARD KENDELL (police-inspector, H). I went to the house and met Sweeney on the stairs—blood was oozing very profusely from a wound just above her waist—I saw her dress—it had a narrow cut about half an inch long, which appeared to have been done with some sharp instrument—I received this knife (produced) from William Hayes—he is not here—I did not see it picked up—there is blood on the point of it.

THOMAS KELLY (police-sergeant, H 2). I received the prisoner in custody

at the Leman-street station on 24th March, the Wednesday afterwards—I told him the charge; he said, "Very well, it is all right; I admit I was in Whitechapel that night, but I don't recollect what I did, I was so drank."

JOHN CHARLES ROBERTSON . I belong to the London Hospital. Mr. Bell, the surgeon, is unwell and cannot come—I am one of the dressers—I examined Sweeney on 22nd March, and found two punctured wounds, one below the last rib on the right side, two inches deep, from which upwards of half a pint of blood came; and another on the right side of the abdomen, two inches and a half long—if the instrument had gone in a vertical direction it would have punctured the abdominal cavity, and death must have ensued—an artery was cut—it was arterial blood which was flowing—this knife would produce both these wounds—they were rather wider than this knife—it must have gone is the full length of the blade.

GUILTY on 2nd Count .— Confined Two Years .


Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-434
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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434. JOHN SMITH and JOSEPH BAKER . stealing 1 copper boiler, value 16s.; the goods of the Eastern Counties Railway Company, fixed to a certain building: to which they both pleaded

GUILTY .— Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-435
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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435. THOMAS KIND . stealing 3 tame drakes, price 6s.; and 1 tame duck. 2s.; the property of William Streatfield: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Three Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-436
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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436. JAMES SAUNDERS . stealing 10lbs. weight of cochineal, value 1l. 15s.; the goods of John Tucker, his master: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 24.— Confined Three Months.

Before Mr. Recorder.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-437
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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437. HENRY FROST . burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Mary Burford, with intent to steal.

MR. CAARTEEN conducted the Prosecution.

MARY BURFORD . I keep the Green Man public-house, in the parish of Leyton, in Essex. On 20th March, from 20 minutes to half-past 2 o'clock in the morning, I was awoke by my servant—(I had gone to bed at 11 the night before)—I got up, and opened my bedroom window—it looks into a yard at the back of my house—I saw a man run along the yard—I called out to know what he wanted—he made no answer, but went to the bottom of the yard, and got over the pales, into a lane which leads into Epping Forest—I cannot speak to the person of the man; it was very dark—I rang the bell, and Squires, my potman, came down—we searched all the first floor of the house—we did not go down stairs—we found nothing wrong on the first floor—I went to bed again, and Squires went to bed—my servant called me in the morning, and I went into the back kitchen, about 10 minutes before six—that is under my bedroom—I found a window looking into the yard open—it had been pushed up from the bottom—there are five shutters outside that window, which are kept in their place by a bolt and a fastening inside—the middle shutter had been taken down—a piece of wood had been broken

away from the groove at the bottom that the shutters drop into, which, being removed, would enable a person to take the shutters down—without that bit being broken from the bottom there would have been no means of getting the hand under—the shutter that was removed was not the one through which the bolt passed—there is a scullery door by the side of the kitchen window—you have to go through the kitchen to the scullery; and from the scullery is a door which opens into the same yard into which the kitchen window looks—that door was wide open when I came down—I did not find that anything had been taken away—I had gone round the house at 11 o'clock the night before, as I always do before I go to bed—I was the last person up—I had left that window shut down, the shutters up, and the scullery door locked, and bolted with two bolts, and the key was turned in the lock.

COURT. Q. Was anything displaced? A. They had taken three flower-pots from the kitchen window, and put them out of doors, into the yard, under the window, and a large bason and flower-pan had been moved—they were on the dresser in the kitchen overnight, and they had been put into the yard—from the kitchen persons could get into the rest of the house—there was a door, but it was not locked—there was no valuable property in the kitchen; no silver spoons—there was crockery, but it was not disturbed—there was no food in the kitchen, but a leg of pork, which hung up, not within reach.

THOMAS SQUIRES . I am potman at the Green Man. On the morning of 20th March my mistress rang her bell—I searched the first-floor—I got up about a quarter after six o'clock in the morning—I went down stairs into the back kitchen—I was the first up—I found the window of the back kitchen wide open, and one shutter was taken down and set on one side in the yard—there had been some flower-pots placed inside the window, and they were set out in the yard—there were marks in the window-shutter as if some instrument had been prising it—there was nothing broken off the shutter, but there was off the slide the shutters go in—the shutters go in a groove, and a piece of wood had been taken off the outside of the groove—it was a piece that had been let in before, and this bit of wood was left on the board where I put my pots—this being removed, would enable any one to take down one of the shutters—I informed the policeman of it—I found the scullery-door wide open—I know the prisoner—I had seen him on 19th March, from four till half-past five in the afternoon—he was on the other side of the road, about twenty yards away from our house—he was walking up and down and round the house—I have no doubt at all that he is the man I saw.

COURT. Q. Did you see anything else in the yard? A. Yes, a bason on the step of the scullery-door, and a brown pan on the step of the door, by the side of it—the pan had a small quantity of flour in it.

Prisoner. Q. Do you remember coming to the prison to me, they told you I was dressed differently to what I was, and you said, "I know you by the billy coat?" Witness. A. No; before I went in I told them I knew the man—I gave a description of his dress, and they told me they had got such a man locked up—I went in, and said he was the man—his whiskers had been shaved off, and his hair cut.

COURT. Q. In spite of the change of his hair and whiskers, are you sure he is the man? A. Yes; he was in the prison dress—I asked to see him in his own clothes, and the gaol-keeper said it was not necessary.

MR. CAARTEEN. Q. Was any communication made to the police of this house being broken open? A. Yes; I described the prisoner to the police about ten o'clock on the 20th March.

JOHN RETFORD (policeman, K 235). On the morning of 20th March, I was on duty near Leytonstone Forest, which leads from the Green Man at Waltham, on the main road—Mrs. Barford's is exactly the corner house that joins the Forest—the front fronts the road—there is no yard in front of the house—about twenty minutes past 2 o'clock that morning I was coming up towards the Green Man, and saw a man running a distance off, but not near enough to describe him—it was not the prisoner—he was going the straight road to Wanstead, not towards me—that man went away—I continued on in the direction of the Green Man, and in one or two minutes afterwards, within about eighty yards of the Green Man, I met the prisoner—he was coming from towards the Green Man—he was walking—I saw him a considerable distance before he came to me—he was within twenty yards of the Green Man when I first saw him—when I met him, I stepped in front and turned my light on him—I said, "Halloo, young man, where are you going?"—"To Wanstead," he said, "have you seen my mate come down this road?"—(there are two roads to Wanstead—the other man was running one road, and the prisoner was coming the other)—I said, "No, there is no mate come down this road; what sort of a mate is it?"—he said, "A working man like myself"—I said, "There is no man come this way, but I saw a person running down that road two or three minutes ago"—the prisoner then started across the green towards that road—it is about thirty yards across the corner, from one road to the other—he went away from me eighteen or twenty yards, and I was following him across the green to see whether be came in contact with the other man—he turned and saw me, and he took to running—he ran a few yards, and he turned and got into the bushes, and I lost him—I searched the bushes, and the way that I thought he turned was the way I ought to have gone—I went on, and searched down by Assembly-row, there I heard some one coming—I found it was the same man—that was about half a mile farther down the Forest—I had directed him on the road to Wanstead, and seeing him go in an opposite direction, I went after him—he got amongst the tries, and I lost sight of him there again—I did not succeed in finding him—I saw him again on Sunday, 21st, in Ilford Gaol—I heard there was a man there, and I went—I recognized him in Ilford Gaol as the man I had seen in the Forest—I am quite positive he is the man I met that morning.

COURT. Q. Did you see his face? A. Only sideways—he had whiskers which went round his face.

EDWARD ARMITAGE (policeman, N 80). On Saturday morning, 20th March, I was on duty near the Rose and Crown, at Leyton, at a quarter before 3 o'clock—that is about a mile and a quarter from Mrs. Burford's—I saw the prisoner coming down James'-lane at a very quick pace, in a direction from Leytonstone, in a direction from Mrs. Burford's—I stepped up to him and walked by his side for a short distance—I asked where he came from; he said from London, and he had been to a village just below—I walked with him as far as Mr. Masterman's park, about 200 yards from where I first saw him—I observed he had got something in his pocket—I asked him what he had in his pocket—he said, "I will show you," and he immediately struck me a violent blow over the head with this instrument, which knocked me down—I saw the instrument at the time; this is it, (producing a large crowbar)—I saw he took it from his pocket—he then jumped over into the park and ran away—I got up and endeavoured to follow him, but was unable from the effects of the blow—it was just under my hat, and above the ear—it made a wound; it slit the back of my ear—there is a scar now—I afterwards saw sergeant Archibald; he is the

station-house sergeant at Hackney—he was mounted—he came to me in about three quarters of an hour after I received the blow—I gave him a description of the man, and he went in pursuit of him—I was at the Walthamstow station at 7 that morning, and the prisoner was brought in—I saw him there and identified him as the person who struck me—I had not the least doubt of it—he had whiskers on—at that time I had not heard of this burglary—he was taken before the Magistrate at Ilford and charged with this assault on me—about 3 the same afternoon I heard of the burglary—I afterwards went to Mrs. Burford's and examined her premises—I took this crowbar with me—I saw five shutters there; there were marks on the shutters and on the window-ledge—I found this piece of wood (looking at it) was wanting—it was shown to me—I found five marks; four with this chisel-end of this crowbar, and one with this other end of it—I saw this crowbar compared by Monaghan—there were seven or eight marks altogether, but four or five very distinct—there is a small piece broken off the chisel-end of this crowbar, which was to be seen in the wood—the marks are not on this piece of wood—they were on the window-cill, on the ledge where this piece of wood was wrenched off.

Prisoner. When I went to the station they booked the charge before this chisel was found; he said he did not know what it was he was struck with. Witness. The sergeant asked me if I was struck with wood; I said no, I was sure it was iron, and this crowbar was found about 7 in the park, just where the prisoner jumped over—there is a large tree inside the park, just where be jumped over, about thirty yards from the commencement of the park.

WILLIAM MONAGHAN (police-sergeant N 38). On the morning of 20th March I went to search Mr. Masterman's park—I got there about a quarter before 8 o'clock; I found this crowbar in the park about seven or eight yards from the fence—I know where the park begins, in front of Mr. Masterman's house, on the Leytonstone-road, about 200 yards from James'-lane—where I found this bar was about fifty yards from the commencement of the palings, and about seven or eight yards inside the palings—there are several large trees there—I afterwards went to Mrs. Burford's; I took this crowbar with me—I was shown a ledge outside the kitchen window—I found marks on the ledge; they fitted in four places with the chisel end of this bar, and in one place with the claw end—this piece of wood was given me, and by placing this where it was taken from I found the claw fitted the corner of it.

JOSEPH ARCHIBALD (police-sergeant, V 17). I was station house sergeant at Hackney; I go round on horseback to visit the exterior stations. On the morning of 20th March I met Armitage coming from Leyton to Walthamstow from the direction of James's-lane—he made a statement to me—his ear was bleeding; this was a little before 4 o'clock—he gave me a description of a person, and in consequence of that I went in search of a person—I went along the Lea-bridge-road, and communicated with the various officers I met with—the prisoner was brought to the Hackney station about 5 o'clock by an officer who is not here—he was sent to Walthamstow station.

Prisoner. I had three months, and they came in to look at me; I know nothing about the robbery.

GUILTY . Aged 35.— Transported for Seven Years.

Before Mr. Baron Martin.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-438
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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438. WILLIAM ROUT was indicted for stealing 1 scale and 1 chain, value 4s.; the goods of Mary Ann Smith.

MARY ANN SMITH . I am a widow; I keep a beer shop at West Ham. In the beginning of March I had a pair of scales, which I kept in a cupboard under a flight of stairs—I missed them on Thursday, 28th March—I had seen them safe on the Friday before that—they were not all taken away, only the brass and copper part—I had another pair of scales which I kept in the same place, and on the same occasion I missed the brass and chain part of them—I gave information to a constable, and on the following morning Mr. Reeves brought back my scales—this is the small scale, and this is the brass and chain of the large scale—I can swear to this by a mark there is on it.

Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. It was some days before they were brought to you? A. No; I missed them on Thursday, and on Friday morning they were brought back to me—the whole of the scales were under the stairs all perfect.

EDWIN REEVES . I am a friend of Mrs. Smith. In consequence of information she gave me, I went to the shop of a marine store dealer, named George Gooch, who carries on his business at Stratford—I obtained these articles now produced from him—I inquired of him from whom he got them.

GEORGE GOOCH . I am a marine store dealer, at Stratford. I know the prisoner by sight—he came to me on Tuesday, 16th March—he brought these scales with him—I bought them of him for 7d.—on the Friday following I gave them up to Mr. Reeves.

Cross-examined. Q. You see a good many people in the course of the day at your shop? A. Yes; I am quite satisfied it was the prisoner who came in with these scales—I do not recollect any one who came in before him—the person who came in after him was the next door neighbour, a young man named Hicks—I did not buy anything of him—I did not buy anything else that day—when I am not at home I leave business to my wife—I was at home the whole of that day—I live about a mile and a half from Mrs. Smith's—I should say the prisoner was in my house twenty minutes—he told me he had got some more goods at his own house, which I was to call on him about—not a soul came in while we were talking; a person came in afterwards—the prisoner and I stood talking—I am a teetotaller, and he is not: we were talking about it.

COURT. Q. Did he give you any address? A. Yes; "William Rout, 1; Roslyn-cottages, West Ham, leading to Mr. Gurney's park"—he said he had got some articles at home, and he wanted some man to come and buy them.

JOSEPH BENTON (policeman, K 881). I consequence of information I took the prisoner into custody at Roslyn-cottages, West Ham, in a shed where there were some barrows—I told him the charge—he denied it, and said he knew nothing about it—I took him to Mrs. Gooch, and asked her if she knew the person who sold the scales—she said, "Yes, that is the man, behind you."

(The prisoner's statement before the Magistrate was read as follows:—"I know nothing about the scales.")

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 31.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury and the Prosecutrix,— Confined Fourteen Days.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-439
VerdictsNot Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentencesImprisonment; Imprisonment

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439. JAMES PRITCHARD and WILLIAM CRANVEY . stealing 20 deal boards, value 6l.; the goods of Robert Curtis and another: and SAMUEL BENHAM . feloniously receiving the same.

MR. METCALFE conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS REED . I am foreman to Robert and Edward Curtis, builders, at

Stratford. On Monday, 8th March, Cranvey and Pritchard were employed about some deals at West Abbey-wharf—Pritchard was employed with four others to load them from the barge to the carts, and Cranvey was employed with three others to cart them to bring them to Messrs. Curtis's premises at Stratford—two other persons, named Langshire, were employed to cart the deals—the deals were at West Abbey-wharf—none of them were sold, or were to be taken to any private person at all—we never do so; we bring them from the wharf to the premises, and send them to the buildings—we never sell them, or very seldom.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. How far is the wharf from the premises? A. About a mile and a quarter.

Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. Was Pritchard in Messrs. Curtis's employ? A. He was that day; he is in the regular employ of Mr. Howlett, a carter whom we occasionally employ—he was in Messrs. Curtis's employ that day—we have employed him for nine years, off and on—he was employed that day with four others—there were five of them; that is always the complement of men to unload a barge.

COURT. Q. Did Curtis's employ Howlett? A. We employ Howlett's horses, and send men to drive them.

GEORGE THOMAS LANGSHIRE . I am a carman, and keep my own horse and cart. On Monday, 8th March, I attended at Messrs. Curtis's wharf to cart some deals—my son was with me: there were nine of us altogether—Pritchard was assisting to load the deals from the barge to the cart—it was about 9 or 10 o'clock—Pritchard asked me if I knew what to do with a load of deals, and he said, "It will be all right"—I made answer that I would have nothing at all to do with them—that is all that passed between us.

Cross-examined by MR. GIFFORD. Q. How many deals did you carry? A. Four loads, eighty-five in number; twenty-five in the first load, and twenty each in three loads after—I objected to carry twenty-five; I said it was too much for one horse, and Pritchard said I should carry them—I took twenty-five, and my wheel broke down—I was not cross about it—I had got another to put on—I had no quarrel with him whatever.

MR. METCALFE. Q. How long after your wheel broke down did he ask you to take these deals? A. I suppose an hour and a half.

THOMAS LANGSHIRE . I am the son of the last witness, and am a carman. I was employed by Messrs. Curtis on 8th March—between 4 and 5 o'clock that afternoon I saw Cranvey coming up Chapel-street—he had with him a horse and cart loaded with deals—it appeared a full load; I cannot say how many—he went a little way along the London-road, and turned down a road leading by the side of Mr. Costigan's houses, which leads on to the marshes—it is about 100 yards from Mr. Benham's house, which is opposite the back part of Mr. Costigan's on this road leading to the marshes—I was engaged to cart deals that day—that was not the road I took the deals from the wharf to Messrs. Curtis's—I went down Ham-lane to the Abbey, and then turned to the right; supposing a person came from the wharf, he would go half way down Ham-lane and turn to the left—I saw this cart with a load of deals near Costigan's houses—there is no thoroughfare there, it only goes down to the marshes—I saw it come back again empty in five or ten minutes—the same man was with it.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. Was the cart going in a direction to Benham's house? A. Yes; there are a number of houses about Benham's house—it was about 100 yards from Benham's when I saw it.

Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. This is an open road? A. No;

it is not, it only leads to the marshes—Chapel-street is an open road; there were other carts going up and down—I saw the deals quite clearly.

SAMUEL SPARROW . I was one of the men employed by Messrs. Curtis, on 8th March to unload the deals out of the barge to the carts—I saw Pritchard and Cranvey there—I saw Benham pass by the wharf in the afternoon after dinner.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. Do you know if Benham had any employment in the neighbourhood? A. He had, I believe, a barge of bricks in the wharf; I saw him going towards the barge.

JOSEPH BENTON (policeman, K 381). On 9th March, I was employed to watch some deals near Benham's house—they were about twenty-one feet long—there were twenty of them—they were all branded "W. B."—I afterwards showed them to Mr. Curtis—we watched them all that day and all night—when I went away I left a constable in charge—oft the 10th I approhended Cranvey; I told him what he was charged with—he said he was come to tell the truth, and he would tell Mr. Curtis the whole of the truth; he told me he went down to West Ham-wharf for a load more deals, and he saw Benham and Pritchard in private conversation, he did not know what they were talking about; and then Pritchard assisted him in loading his cart with deals, and told him to take them to Benham's house; and he said to Pritchard "That won't be right," and Pritchard said, "Oh, yes! it is all right; take them there;" that he said to Pritchard, "How about booking them? and Pritchard said to him, "You have no call to book that load, it will be all right"—he said he then took them to Benham's house, and Benham met him there, and assisted him in unloading them—he said he took away five loads from the barge, but he only booked four—after sergeant Manning had taken the change, he read it over again to the whole of the three prisoners—Benham said to Cranvey, "Had not your horse the gripes?"—Cranvey said, "No; you told me to say so, but it is a story, he did not have the gripes.

Cross-examined by MR. GIFFORD. Q. Did Pritchard say to Cranvey, "You are a false man?" A. I believe he did.

Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. Did Cranvey say, that when Pritchard told him to take them to Benham's house, that he said, "I don't think it is right?" A. Yes; and when Benham said, "Had not your horse the gripes?" Cranvey said, "You told me since to say so."

JOHN WILLIAM MANNING (police-sergeant, K 5). I went with the last witness to watch some deals by Benham's house, on the 9th of March; there were twenty of them branded "W. B."—I left them in charge of another officer, and I apprehended Pritchard—I told him the charge, and he said he knew nothing of it, or words to that effect—on the following morning I apprehended Benham—I read over the charge in presence of the three; Cranvey said, "That is right, Pritchard told me to take the deals to Benham's house, and I did so; Benham assisted to unload them, and they were placed against the wall, close by Benham's house"—(that was the place where I found them)—Pritchard and Benham were so near at to hear that—I think Pritchard said, "It is false."

Cross-examined by MR. GIFFORD. Q. Where did you apprehend Pritchard? A. In coming to Mr. Curtis's yard.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. The deals were near Benham's house? A. Yes; against a dead wall—there are two other cottages near Benham's house—it is in a lane, not a thoroughfare, only for foot passengers.

MR. METCALFE. Q. Was the brand very small? A. No; it was large, quite distinct; they were branded on each end of each deal.

CHARLES EDWARD CURTIS . I am partner with my brother, Robert we are builders at Stratford—I have seen these deals, they are ours, and were branded in the way described—they were worth about 6l.

JAMES COX . I am in the employ of Messrs. Curtis. It is part of my duty to book the number of loads brought from the wharf to the premises—on 8th March, Cranvey told me to book four loads, and I booked them accordingly—I am certain he did not say five.

Benham's statement before the Magistrate was here read, as follows: "On Monday afternoon, I went to West Ham Abbey; I had a barge of bricks there; I went to see if it could get in that tide, Pritchard told me they would; I went home and while having my tea I saw a cart coming down the street; I got up, and Cranvey asked me if I would lend him a hand, which I did; I took no notice of the deals afterwards; I did not know who they were for, whether for Mr. Costigan, or any one else."

(Cranvey was further charged with having been before convicted.)

JOHN WILLIAM MANNING re-examined. I produce a certificate of Cranvey's former conviction—(read—Convicted, Oct. 1849; confined two months)—he is the person.


BENHAM— GUILTY . Aged 35.— Confined Six Months.

CRANVEY— GUILTY . Aged 40.— Confined Twelve Months.


Before Russell Gurney, Esq.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-440
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Six Months.

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441. WILLIAM JONES . stealing 156 yards of gingham, value 3l. 10s.; the goods of Joseph Talwin Shewall.

JOHN WHITE (policeman, R 180). On the evening of 11th March, between 6 and 7 o'clock, I was in London-street, Greenwich, and saw the prisoner and two others passing to and fro Mr. Kershaw's shop—I watched them, and followed them to Mr. Shewall's, linen draper, in High-street, Deptford—the prisoner placed himself beside the window with a bag, or something under his arm, and there was another man with him—the prisoner remained there about twenty minutes, the other man passing to and fro the shop—I then saw the other man go up and take two pieces of gingham off a packet; the prisoner held the bag, and the other man put the gingham into it—I seized them both, they struggled, and the other escaped—I took the prisoner to the station, and charged him, and he said, "Very well"—this is the property (produced)—it was in the lobby of the shop, inside the doorway.

FREDERICK THOMAS PARKER . I am assistant to Joseph Talwin Shewall. These two pieces of gingham are his property, and have his private mark on them.

GUILTY . (The prisoner was further charged with having been twice before convicted.)

JOHN CARPENTER (policeman, R 38). I produce a certificate (read—Central Criminal Court, Frederick Allen convicted, April, 1849, having been before convicted. Confined One Year)—I was present—the prisoner is the person.

LEWIS LAMBERT (policeman, K 311). I produce a certificate (read—Central Criminal Court, John Savage convicted Aug. 1851. Confined Three Months.)—I was present—the prisoner is the person.

GUILTY. Aged 19.— Transported for Seven Years.

5th April 1852
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442. GEORGE LEWIS . unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. POLAND conducted the Prosecution.

MARY ELEY . I am the wife of George William Eley, of the Bull inn, Woolwich. On 13th March the prisoner came to our house, about half-past 7 o'clock, asked for a glass of ale, and tendered me a shilling in payments which was bad, and I put it at the back of the till, where there was no other money—the prisoner came again in about an hour and a half, called for a glass of gin—my husband served him with it, and h gave him another bad shilling—my husband took the other one out of the till, and told him he had given me another bad one before—I am sure the prisoner is the person who came the first time.

Prisoner. Q. If I gave you a bad shilling, why did you not tell me of it? A. I was very busy, and had no time to try it in the detector.

COURT. Q. When you put it in a separate part of the till, did you know it was bad? A. I supposed it was, and I had tried it before be brought the second.

GEORGE WILLIAM ELEY . I keep the Bull. The prisoner came on 13th March and called for a glass of gin—I served him, and while doing so he laid down a shilling—I took it up and said, "You are coming it rather too stiff, two within an hour and half"—he said, "No, it is not; it is good"—I put the shilling in the till with the other one my wife had shown me previously, and afterwards gave them both to the policeman—I gave the prisoner in charge.

Prisoner. Q. Did you give it to a gentleman to look at? A. Yes; but it was not out of my sight.

WILLIAM WEBSTER (policeman). I took the prisoner—I produce two shillings given me by Mr. Eley—I found 3s. 8d. in silver, and 2 1/2 d. in copper all good, on him—the prisoner said he had not been to the house before.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . I am inspector of coin to the Mint. These shillings are both bad, and from the same mould.

Prisoner's Defence. I had never been in the house before I was taken.

GUILTY . Aged 24.— Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-443
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MR. POLAND conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN NEWELL (policeman, R 340). On 28th Feb., about 8 o'clock in the evening, I saw the two prisoners together in Powis-street, Woolwich—I lost sight of them about a minute, and on turning round I saw Newman standing opposite Mr. Steele's shop, in Church-street, and I saw Brownlow come out of the shop—I immediately went into the shop, received this sixpence (produced) from a girl there, and in consequence of what I heard I followed the prisoners—I found them together again, and saw Brownlow go into a public house, and Newman stood outside—before Brownlow went in he gave Newman some writing paper—I followed Brownlow into the public house, heard him call for a half pint of beer, and he tendered sixpence in payment—I told the barmaid I believed it was bad, and got it from her—this is it (produced)—I took Brownlow into custody, handed him over to Allen, and went and took Newman, who was standing, watching, ten or twenty yards from the door—I told him what he was charged with, he said he knew

nothing about it, he should not go—he tried to get away, fell on his back and I took this bad sixpence (produced) out of his hand—I searched him, and found on him 1s. 7 1/2 d. in Copper, two rolls of bread, three half ounces of tobacco, four sheets of writing paper, and a bottle of ink—on Brownlow I found 3s. 4d. in copper.

Newman. Q. How far was I from you when you say I had the paper? A. About twenty or thirty yards—it was something white—this is the paper I found on you (produced).

MARY ANN STEELE . I am the daughter of Mr. Steele, stationer, of Church-street, Woolwich. Brownlow came to our shop and asked for half a sheet of paper and a postage stamp—I served him—he put down a sixpence; I gave him the change, and he left—I put the sixpence in a box, wrapped up in paper—the officer came in directly, and in consequence of what he said I gave him the sixpence—the paper I sold him is not among these articles produced—the box is kept for the money we receive for stamps, and we always wrap the silver up.

Brownlow. Q. Can you swear it was I gave you the 6d.? A. I think you are the man.

ELIZABETH STEELE . I am the last witness's mother. I remember seeing a man in the shop, who bought some paper—there was a gas light in the shop—I was standing in the parlour, at the glass door—I took particular notice of the man—I have no doubt that Brownlow is the man.

Brownlow. Q. What did I give your daughter? A. Sixpence—I cannot swear that I knew it was a bad one when you gave it her, but the policeman came in directly—there was only one other sixpence in the box, and that was wrapped in paper to keep it separate—we keep the silver we take for postage-heads separate from the copper.

JURY. Q. How far is this glass door from where the man stood? A. About three yards.

MARY BRADSHAW . I am barmaid at the Sheer Hulk public-house, Woolwich. On 28th Feb. Brownlow came there, and asked for half a pint of beer, and offered me 6d.—I had it in my hand, and the policeman came in and asked me to give it to him, as it was bad—I gave him the same one.

HENRY ALLAN (policeman, R 92). I took Brownlow from Newall, and took him to the station—I searched a portion of Church-street which was pointed out to me by Newall, and saw a man pick up this bag (produced), which contained eight sixpences.

JOHN NEWELL re-examined. I showed Allan the place where I apprehended Newman.

ALEXANDER BLANEY . I picked up this bag—I cannot say what it contained—I gave it to Allan.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . The two sixpences which were uttered are both counterfeit, and from the same mould—the one found on Newall is also counterfeit, and from the same mould as the others, and in the bag there are eight counterfeit sixpences, two from the same mould as those uttered, and six from another mould.



Confined Twelve Months.

5th April 1852
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two prisoners opposite Mr. Wharton's shop—I watched them about a quarter of an hour, and saw them both go and stand beside some calico, and I saw Sullivan lift a piece of calico from off a block outside the door, put it down again, and walk away with Austin for about 200 yards—they stopped there about five minutes, looking towards the prosecutor's shop, and then went back to the shop and stood by the side of the calico—I went into a shop to get out of their sight, and when I looked out of the door they were both gone—I went out and met them coming from Blue Stile, and Sullivan had something bulky in her apron—I followed them till I got assistance, and then took them into custody—I found this calico (produced) in Sullivan's apron—I told her she was charged with stealing it from the shop—she said the did not steal it—they were both together.

THOMAS WHARTON . I am a linen draper, at Greenwich. This calico is mine—I know it by the cost mark, and the selling mark as well, which are on it.

ELIZABETH BARNARD . I am searcher at the station. I searched the prisoners—Austin said the other woman was quite a stranger to her, and neither of them took it—I had said nothing to them about taking it—I asked her what she meant by it, and she said, "The piece of stuff"—I then searched Sullivan, and she said, "I told her not to take it"—I said, "Take what?"—she said, "The calico"—I said, "Did she take it?"—she said, "Yes."

Sullivan's Defence. I passed by the calico, but I did not lift it up, or put it down again; this calico was given us by a stranger, and I said to Austin, "Do not take it, it will only get us into trouble;" she took it, and we walked two miles with it, when the policeman came and took us.



Confined Three Months.

5th April 1852
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JOHN BRIGHT . I am in the service of John Bennett Lawes, a manufacturer of manure, at Deptford. The prisoner Gill was in his service for a short time in last Oct.—on Monday, 29th March, a little before 6 o'clock in the morning, I went to the factory, and missed about three and a half cwt. of bones, which were safe when I shut up the factory, about twenty minutes past four, on the Saturday—I sent for a constable; White came—we went in search of the bones, and found a bag of bones at Dandridge's, who is a marine store dealer—I identify them as the same we lost—they had been through a process, and there were none others like them in Deptford—they came from America and other foreign parts—they are worth 18s.—we looked over the premises and found three bags more, which make about the quantity we lost—these bags are like my master's—they have marks, but no particular ones on them.

DANIEL DANDRIDGE . I am a marine store dealer, at Deptford. On Saturday, 27th March, between 7 arid 8 o'clock in the evening, the two prisoners came together and brought some bones to me—I gave them 14s. for them—I knew them before—they have frequently brought bones.

JOHN WHITE (policeman, R 180). I went with Bright to Dandridge's house, and found the bones there—I afterwards went in search of the prisoners, and saw them coming down Church-street—I stopped them, and told Gaters he was charged with stealing a quantity of bones from Mr. Lawes—he said he knew nothing about it—I told him he must go to the station, and on the way he said he bought a quantity of bones of a man who came from the country

—at the station they gave their address in Collier-street, but did not give the number—I afterwards searched a house in Collier-street, and found three bags—I showed them to Gaters, and he said be bought them of the same man he bought the bones of.

JOSIAH TURNER (policeman, R 307). I took Gill, and told him he was charged with stealing a quantity of bones from Mr. Lawes' factory—he said he knew nothing about it—I asked him how he accounted for the bag on his shoulder—he said he bought it of a man from the country.

Gater's Defence. We bought the bones of a man with a cart on Blackheath, and afterwards sold them for 14s.

GATERS. Aged 21.

GILL. Aged 22.

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450. JAMES GILBERT . feloniously receiving half a 5l.-note; the moneys of George Rice. (See Fifth Session, p. 455.)

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GEORGE RICE . I live in High-street, Woolwich, and am an eating house keeper. In Dec., 1849, I was midshipman's steward on board the Firebrand,

which was at sea, off the coast of Greece, at a place called Basics Bay—the prisoner was gun-room cook on board—at the latter end of Dec, 1849, I missed, from a drawer in my berth, 39l.—there was a 10l. Bank of England note, two 5l.-notes, one half of a 5l. Portsmouth Branch Bank note, a Government bill for 5l. 10s. 9d., and the remainder in gold and dollars—I believe the number of the half note was 23945—I told the Magistrate I would not have ventured to have sworn to the number if it bad not been for other circumstances coming to light since—I had previously transmitted the other half of the note to my father, at Portsmouth—shout six weeks after I missed the half note the prisoner was invalided home—I had spoken to the prisoner repeatedly about my loss, and he said, "What a d—d scoundrel the man must be that had served me so!" "The man that had robbed me," and remarks similar to that, and to the same effect—the prisoner had access to my berth at times—I arrived in England on 1st July, 1860—the prisoner had left the ship about the beginning of March, 1850—I caused a man named Robinson, who had been my cook on board, to be taken into custody—he was tried in this Court, and sentenced to six months imprisonment—he was tried for stealing the whole amount, including the half note—I afterwards received some information, which induced me to look after the prisoner—I did not succeed in finding him till about seven weeks back—I was in the parlour of the Mitre Tavern, in Wool with, one evening—he came in, and when he saw me he appeared rather surprised—I called him by his name, Gilbert—he turned round and said, "Are you George Rice, who was in the Firebrand?"—I said, "Yes, bow about the bills that you robbed me of?"—he said, "Come outside and talk to me about it"—I would not do that, but gave him into custody—the part of the note was the right hand half—the half without the "Five" upon it.

Prisoner. Q. What character did I bear on board the ship? A. During the time you were on board I believe you were a pretty fair character—I know nothing against you.

JOHN RICE . I am father of the last witness—I received from him the half of a Portsmouth branch of a Bank of England note—I received it about Dec., 1849—I do not remember the note—I took it to the bank in High-street, Portsmouth—I believe this (looking at it) to be the same.

COURT. Q. Had it the "Five" on it? A. I cannot say—I do not remember which half it was—I believe this to be the note.

MR. PLATT. Q. During the time your son was abroad did you receive more than one half of a 5l. note? A. No; I took it to the bank—inquiry was made, and they sent me 4l. 17s.—3s. was kept for expenses.

SAMUEL JAMES TAYLOR . I live in Hollis-street, Wandsworth-road—I am foreman of the porters on the South Western Railway—I have known the prisoner about three years—about two years ago he came to me, at the railway—we went into the hotel, and he told me he had left behind at his lodging with his friends, at Strood, in Kent, the half of a 5l. note, and the other half had been blown through the port hole off Greece—he said they Were blockading Greece at the time—he told me he was something of a cook, I believe, but I could not mention the words—he told me he was going to send this half note home to his brother, at Strood, and during the time that he had got the letter, and the note cut in half the bell rang for him to run to the cabin, and the draft of his opening the door blew the note out of the port hole, and when he came back he found one half was gone—he asked me to he security for him—I said, I would, and I said, "The best thing you could do would be to write home"—he did write—I saw him afterwards in possession

of a half note—the letter which contained it was directed to me, at the railway—the prisoner was with me at the time the policeman at the gate gave it me—he said, "Here is a letter for you"—I took it, and broke it open, and the half note was in it—a Mr. Bridges was also security—on account of what took place afterwards, I was obliged to pay the money for which I became security, on the prisoner's account—I could not go myself—the money was paid—I know the prisoner's handwriting—this is his writing to these declarations, and this bond—I know it to be his writing—I have a letter that he sent me, after he absconded from the place. (The declaration made by the prisoner was here read; it stated the loss of the half of the note in the manner stated; the bond was signed by the prosecutors, Bridges and Groom).

DANIEL BRIDGES . I live in Princes-street, Lambeth, and am a carpenter. I became security for the payment of 5l. for the prisoner—it was respecting the half of a 5l.-note—this signature to this bond is mine, and this signature, "James Gilbert," was made by the prisoner in my presence—the prisoner gave me an account how the other half was lost—it was in the bustle, when they were besieging Greece, having his papers out at some place, the wind blew it out of the port-hole, and it was lost—when the bank authorities applied to me for the money I mentioned to the prisoner what he had said, because he was in my house when the news was brought respecting the half-note—he denied it, and said he was innocent, and that the half-note that he produced, and got the 5l. for, was his own—I mentioned to him what he had said about the loss of it, and he still adhered to it that he was right—I asked him to go to the Bank, and he and my son set off to go, but he left my son, and came back to my house, in my absence, and then he bolted.

RICHARD ADYE BAILY . I am a clerk, in the Accountant-office, in the Bank of England. I produce this cancelled half of a 5l. bank-note, dated 17th Oct., 1848; No. 23945—this was paid to James Gilbert, on 10th May, 1850, on this bond of indemnity—this is the receipt for the money, which was given as usual.

COURT. Q. What is the course with respect to half-notes? A. The first inquiry is whether the note is in circulation, then a declaration is required, then a bond is given by two housekeepers, and then the full value of the note is given, minus any charges, and if the other half-note is found in anybody else's hand the securities have to make it good.

CHRISTOPHER EDWARD THEAKSTON . I am cashier, in the Branch-bank, at Portsmouth. On 15th April, John Rice brought half of a note to me—I cannot recollect the number—it was entered 23945—I did not make the entry myself—I cannot say whether I saw it made, but I know the handwriting of the letter—I saw the letter; it was written by the sub-agent, and put in a letter—it was the half of a 5l.-note.

COURT. Q. Have you seen that letter since? A. No, but I have seen a fac-simile of it—I have referred to it—I took notice what the number of the note was at the time—the sum of 4l. 17s. was paid—I cannot say for certain, but I think it was the left-hand half, with the "Five" on it—I believe this to be the half.

JOHN WALKER (policeman, R 298). On 29th Jan. I received charge of the prisoner for stealing half a 5l.-note—he said he knew nothing about the note; he had neither taken the half-note nor the half of the Government bill—he repeated that several times.

Prisoner. Q. I said I never robbed Rice. Witness. Yes, and you said you had not taken it.

COURT. Q. Did be say both? A. Yes; he said he knew nothing about it; he also said he had not taken it, nor had robbed him—he said both.

Prisoner's Defence. I never robbed Rice, and I never received that knowing it to be stolten; Robinson gave it me about an hour before I left the ship, for money he owed me, and for clothes; I never knew he stole it; he told me he had lost the half-note; I made use of my own name instead of his when I came to London; I never was in his birth; I know I told a great many falsehoods about it, to say I lost it; I had a good character from every ship I was in.

COURT to GEORGE RICE. Q. Did Robinson leave the ship before or after the prisoner? A. Robinson left the ship at the same time I did—after the prisoner has left, a 10l.-note and 5l. note were traced to Robinson's possession.

GUILTY . Aged 35.— Confined Twelve Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-451
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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451. MARY SMITH . stealing 5 1/2 yards of silk, value 13s.; the property of Thomas Cabban.

JOHN NICHOLLS . I am shopman to Mr. Thomas Cabban, of Stockwell-street, Greenwich—he is a linendraper. On 26th Feb. the prisoner came to the shop—I had not known her before—she came about half past 9 o'clock in the morning—she asked to look at some silks—I showed her some—Mary Thompson assisted me in showing them—I showed them on the counter—the customers are on one side of the counter and the shopmen on the other—she did not buy anything—two days afterwards I missed a remnant of silk of five yards and a quarter—I missed it because a customer who had had a little of it previously came to match it—I am able to say it was part of what I showed the prisoner—I did not miss it when the prisoner left, because I did not clear the counter: another person did—this is the piece of silk (looking at it)—I next saw it at Mr. Nash's, in London-street—I am, positive this is the piece—I am sure this, was placed before the prisoner—two days before that I gave leave for ten yards of it to be cut, and ten yards were cut, and that left five yards and a quarter; and I know it by this stain on its outside, which was from the running down of the window, and the last customer objected to it on that account—this is not a very uncommon silk—other shops may have the same, but from the marks I have mentioned I identify it; and from the length of it—to the best of my knowledge the prisoner had a black mantle on, the same as she has now, but her features I am quite sure of.

EDWARD NASH . I am a pawnbroker, and live in London-street, Greenwich. I have known the prisoner four or five years—she had been at my shop before—I knew her by the name of Cooper—she came on 26th Feb. with this piece of silk—I advanced 4s. on it—about two days afterwards somebody came from Mr. Cabban—I did not see the prisoner again till 19th March—she then came and wanted to buy a waistcoat—I was not at home—my young man sent for me—I found her in the sale shop—I said nothing to her—she did not buy the waistcoat—I ordered the young man to follow her—she was brought back by the policeman—I asked her whether her name was not Cooper—she said. "No"—(when she pawned the silk she gave the name of Watson)—I asked her whether she had not pawned a piece of silk at my house—she said, "No"—I told her I was positive she was the person who pawned it—she said I was mistaken—I took the silk in myself, and I asked her what name it was to go in—she said, "Watson"—I am sure she is the woman.

ROBERT SNELL (policeman, R 132). I apprehended the prisoner, and took her to the station—she there gave the name of Mary Smith, 25, Roan-street,

Greenwich—I have been there, and made inquiry—she is not known there—no person by the name of Smith was known—I asked for the name of Cooper or Watson, but no one knew her.

Prisoner. When I went to the shop it was after 10 o'clock; I wanted some silk for a drawn bonnet at 2s. 6d. a yard; they had none under 4s.; when I was taken he was asked what time it was, and he said 10 in the morning; the pawnbroker said it was pawned before that; he first said he knew it by the selvage, and after that by a stain.

EDWARD NASH re-examined. It was pawned about half past 10 o'clock in the morning on 26th Feb.—I recollect the time remarkably well—the time she was in the shop the man was hanging up clothes for sale, 'and he ran against her—he recollected the circumstance as well as me.

Prisoner. The prosecutor said it was stolen at 10 o'clock, and then this witness said it was pawned before that time; he stated that in his own shop. Witness. Nicholls came to my shop with the officer—he said it was about 9 that she was in his shop, and I said she came to me about 10 or half past 10—I never said it was before the time the prosecutor stated that she was in my shop.

COURT to ROBERT SNELL. Q. The prisoner says the prosecutor said the silk was stolen about 10 o'clock, and Mr. Nash said it was pawned with him before that? A. I am sure it was not said.


(The prisoner was further charged with having been before convicted.)

JAMES CARPENTER (policeman, A 471). I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction at Newington by the name of Harriet Ingham (read—Convicted May, 1849—Confined six months)—the prisoner is the person.

GUILTY. Aged 21.— Confined Six Months.


Before Mr. Baron Martin.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-452
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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452. MARY ANN MUNSON . feloniously forging and uttering a receipt for 10l. with intent to defraud.

MESSRS. CLARKSON and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM HENRY CROSS . I am a clerk in the accountant's office, Christ's Hospital; in the department where the management of the money takes place, which is paid to blind annuitants, under Hillington's Charity—the annuitants are paid in advance, from Dec. in each year—this book (produced contains the names of the annuitants—it is not kept in my writing—I make some entries in it—this entry of the name of Robert Lusby is not in my writing—this paper (produced) was issued from the hospital in Feb. 1851—the man, Robert Lusby, was entered at the supplementary election in Feb.—it is the practice to send a paper of this sort to each of the annuitants, for the clergyman of the parish in which they reside—it is issued in blank, except as to the name of the annuitant and the number corresponding with the register; it is then returned to the hospital filled up, as this is, and on that the annuity is payable to the bearer—this paper was issued in Feb., it was returned, filled up as it is now, and the money was paid on 11th Feb.—this book (produced) is what the parties sign who receive the money—I made the entry, and paid the money to a woman who has signed the name of Mary Ann Lusby—in Dec. 1851, another year's interest would be payable to Lusby; this paper was issued on 9th Dec.; it then had on it "No. 333,"

written twice, and "Robert Lusby, 4, North-street, Walworth," and was directed to the minister or curate of Newington, Surrey—this (produced) is the fly-sheet of the other paper, on which the address appears, which I have mentioned—this paper was brought, folded up as it is now, to Christ's Hospital, on 10th Jan.—I believe it was whole then, and that the fly-leaf formed part of it—I paid the person who brought it 10l.—here is the receipt in my book, Mary Ann Lusby—that was signed by a woman—I should not have paid it if a man had signed it—I gave a 10l. note, the three final figures of which were"181"—I had some notes then, of consecutive numbers, from the Bank of England—I marked the three final figures on the certificate at the time—I cannot tell the complete number of the note.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLEY. Q. Can you undertake to say that that paper was issued from the hospital of your own knowledge? A. No; but I know that the other paper was; a messenger took it to the post-office—I did not give it to him; after I had directed it, it was put with the others—I suppose it was sent to the post-office on the night of 9th Dec.—I cannot say whether the second paper may have been handed to another clerk, and then handed to me; or whether I received it from the prisoner herself—I sit where the book is—this is my writing on it.

MATTHIAS SIDNEY SMITH DIPNELL . I am senior assistant clerk at Christ's Hospital. On 9th Jan., 1852, I obtained from the Bank, on their account, fifty 10l.-notes, to pay the blind annuitants with, among which was this one (produced) "No. 64181," dated "10th Nov., 1851," with the letters "M. I."—they were on my desk, and were accessible to Cross.

Cross-examined. Q. Were they accessible to other persons? A. Yes, several; there are five clerks in that room, and one in the adjoining room.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was there any other note among those where the final figure was "81?" A. No—I find this note was paid away, on 10th January.

RICHARD ADYE BAILEY . I am one of the accountants of the Bank of England. I produce this 10l.-note, "M. I., 64181, Nov. 10, 1851"—it was brought to the Bank on 10th Jan., and paid in over the counter—it bears on the face of it the name of Mary Ann Mason—it k the practice of the Bank to require persons to put their names on notes—"M. I." is the private mark of the Bank, to show the date.

Cross-examined. Q. Does it naturally follow that the name which appears on a note is the name of the person who presents it? A. Yes; the person who presents it would be asked whether that is his name—if a gentleman sent his servant to present a note, the servant would be required to put his own name on it.

ELIZABETH LOUISA LUSBY . I am a widow—my husband's name was Robert—he died on 15th March, 1851—he received an annuity from Christ's Hospital once before his death—we were then living at 1, North-buildings, Walworth, and also at No. 4; we lived at both—I know the prisoner; she lived at Allara-road when I first knew her—I afterwards knew her working for a Miss-Seaward, 41, Grosvenor-park. Walworth, where I used to go to wash and char—my husband called there with a paper from Christ's Hospital, the prisoner was there—she went up, and spoke to him, and said I was to put on my things and go with him to get the paper signed, at Mr. Garland's one of the churchwardens of Newington—I went with my husband, and Mr. Garland signed it—I went with my husband as far as Newgate-street—the prisoner met us there, to go and get the money, as I cannot read or write—she had got leave to go out from Miss Seaward—I and my husband waited

in Newgate-street while the prisoner went into Christ's Hospital; she returned, we went into a public-house, she produced a 10l. Bank-note, got it changed, and gave it to my husband—within a month or two of my husband's death I requested the prisoner to write to let the gentlemen at Christ's Hospital know that he was dead; she promised to do so, and nothing more passed on the subject till just before Christmas last, when she wished me to go to Mr. Onslow, the minister of Newington, and to ask him for a paper—she said it was a paper from Christ's Hospital, and I thought she had written over there—she said if I took it in as a blank, and reported his death, I should get 5s.—I said I understood she had written again—she said yes, but she thought the letter was not gone, and that the paper was at Mr. Onslow's—I did not go to Mr. Onslow's—on 5th Jan., this year, she said she had seen Mr. Stathan, the curate, and he said I was to go to Christ's Hospital and get the paper; and that if I took it in and reported his death, I should get 5s. given me—I went to Mr. Onslow's, and received a paper, which I took home, and gave to the prisoner, as she said as I was going to work, if I would allow her to carry it to Christ's Hospital, it would prevent my losing a day's work; that if the gentleman gave her 5s., or 10s., she would give it me, and asked if I was afraid to trust her—I said I was not—I gave her the paper, and went out to work; when I came home she told me she had taken the paper, that there was no one but a boy, and she could not report the death, and give up the paper until the 10th of the month—on the 7th I returned home, and she told me my children had burnt the paper, and I should get myself into trouble; I should get locked up for twelve months and she six months, for having the paper destroyed—she said that repeatedly, on different days—on one occasion she said, "Do you wish me to get the money for you?"—I said, "No, Mary; not for 50l. I would not have you do it"—she said, "Then say no more about it, the paper is burnt; and if you do I will throw myself in the river"—she always told me that if I said anything about the paper I should be sure to be locked up; in consequence of which I at last mentioned it to Mr. Reed, who lodged in the house, and requested him to go to Christ's Hospital and inquire about it.

Cross-examined. Q. How long have you known the prisoner? A. Nine years—I have had no words with her only about this paper, because I would not believe it was burnt—I mentioned at the Court that she said, "Do you wish me to get the money?"—I cannot read or write—it was a printed paper that Mr. Onslow gave me—I know it was not filled up—I never went to Christ's Hospital myself, with the prisoner, or without—I have known the prisoner nine years, living with the same employer, Miss Seaward.

Rev. ARTHUR CYRIL ONSLOW. I am rector of St. Mary, Newington. In Dec. 1851, I received this paper by post; it was in blank, except the name, Robert Lusby; here is the postmark on it—I know the widow of the late Robert Lusby, who was a blind man—she came to me on the subject of this paper, a fortnight or three weeks after I received it—before she came to me a female had been to me—I do not remember her—it was not Mrs. Lusby; I know her—she came a few days after, and I gave her the paper blank, as I had received it—I knew her late husband was at that time deceased.

Cross-examined. Q. I believe yours is a large and populous parish? A. Yes—I receive a great number of papers in reference to these matters—I will undertake to say this is the identical paper I received.

Rev. FRANCIS F. STATHAN. I am incumbent of St. Peter's, Walworth. I see the name of Stathan on this paper—it is not my writing, or written by

my authority—I did sign a paper the year before; this it my signature to it (looking at it).

Cross-examined. Q. I believe your district is a very large and populous one? A. Yes—I sign a variety of papers in the course of the year, and in different places—when persons are not well I go to their houses—I sign with a steel pen, or a quill, according to circumstances; but the character of my writing does not vary—I can always identify it; it is peculiar—I always sign in the same way, in consequence of having to sign marriage and other certificates, in which I must not make it different.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Are you perfectly certain that is not your signature? A. Yes—this is F. Francis Stathan, and my name is Francis F. Stathan.

WILLIAM GARLAND . I am one of the churchwardens of St. Peter, Walworth, the district Church. This paper, purporting to bear the signature of William Garland, is not my writing, nor is it at all like it; it is signed H. Garland, and my name is William—on 31st Dec. a gentleman, named Swannell, was the other churchwarden—Mr. Bolsson is the churchwarden of the Parish Church, but was not in office at this time—I know his writing; this signature is certainly not his.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you ever seen him write? A. I may have, but I do not recollect any occasion—I have received letters purporting to come from him, perhaps a dozen times.

RICHARD REED . I have been a maker of fireworks—I live at 6, Beckford-place, Walworth, in the same house as Mrs. Lusby and the prisoner. On 5th Jan. this year, the prisoner said she had been to Christ's Hospital, and there was nobody there to receive the paper—she was' speaking to me and Mrs. Lusby—she had no paper then—on 7th Jan. the prisoner said to Mrs. Lusby, after she came home, that her children had burned the paper, and they would both get into trouble—after that, at Mrs. Lusby's request, I went to Christ's Hospital, and was shown this book—I believe this signature, "Mary Ann Lusby," to be the prisoner's writing, from what I have seen her write—this "Mary Ann Lusby," immediately over it (the signature in Feb.,) I should think is the same—I believe this "Mary Ann Munson, 41, Grosvenor-park, Camberwell," on this paper, to be also in the prisoner's writing—I believe this "Robert Lusby" to be also her writing (the receipt in question).

Cross-examined. Q. How long have you lived with Mrs. Lusby? A. From 5th Dec. last—I get my living now in the best way I can, and not by dishonest actions; my children do the best they can to support me—I never saw the prisoner to my knowledge before Dec.—I have seen her write in Mrs. Lusby's room, when she answered advertisements for a situation—she wrote two, three, or four letters, and I read some of the directions—it was about the middle or towards the latter end of Jan.; and once I saw her write a small note to Mrs. Corbett—I did not take it up and read it, but I saw her writing it—my sight is sufficiently good to see without spectacles.

THOMAS NASH SCALLOP . I live at 41, Grosvenor-park—Mrs. Seaward is an aunt of mine, and lives in that house—the prisoner has been in her service ten years, she left last Nov.—Mrs. Lusby was in the habit of charring there.

GEORGE QUINNEAR (police-sergeant, P 1). The prisoner was given into my custody at Pin-hill, Kent, by a person who said, "Are you Mary Ann Munson?"—she said, "Yes"—he said, "I come here to give you in custody for obtaining a 10l.-note from Christ's Hospital in Jan. last, by false pretences"—she replied, "I never received a farthing from Christ's Hospital in my life"—she asked me where I was going to take her?—I said, "To London"—she asked who I was going to bring forward to swear against her—I

told her two gentlemen from the Hospital, and Mrs. Lusby, and Mr. Reed—she said, "Can the gentlemen from the Hospital identify the person?"—I said I could not say, and said, "I was informed by Mrs. Lusby that you had received a 10l.-note from the Hospital in Feb. or April last year"—she said, "I did receive that 10l.-note, and I signed papers for Mrs. Lusby, which I know was wrong"—I found on her two 5l. notes, two sovereigns, and 7s. 6d. in silver, which I did not take possession of.

Cross-examined. Q. Did not you find a savings bank book? A. Yes; she was given in charge by Mr. Elston, the' clerk to the solicitor for the hospital.

MR. LILLEY to MRS. LUSBY. Q. Has not the prisoner signed some papers for you? A. Never; she has never written any letters for me to anybody, except to Christ's Hospital—she has not written any papers or petitions for me with my sanction—I never knew of her writing any begging letters.

GUILTY . Aged 29.— Confined Nine Months.

Before Mr. Recorder.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-453
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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453. JOHN STOWELL was indicted for wilful and corrupt perjury.

MESSRS. PARRY and WOOLLETT conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS HILL . I am usher of the County Court of Southwark. I produce a certified copy of the judgment in the suit of "Stowell v. Kennett"—it has the office seal. (This being read, was dated 8th Dec, 1851, the claim being for money lent on an I O U for 30l. 10s.; the verdict was for the defendant, but without costs.) I was present at the trial—I remember John Stowell being called as a witness—he was sworn—Thomas Stowell was called as a witness, and also a person named John Howson Garnett—Mr. and Mrs. Kennett and Mr. Younger were examined for Mr. Kennett.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. The case, I understand, was tried by a Jury? A. Yes; before Mr. Clive.

ROBERT KENNETT . I am landlord of the Hoop and Grapes in Broadway, Westminster, and am also a cab proprietor. I have known John Stowell eight or ten years—at the beginning of Jan. 1850, I was in difficulties, and became bankrupt—I was answerable for my brother-in-law and another person, and was called upon to pay a larger sum of money than I was able—at the time of my bankruptcy I was indebted to Mr. John Stowell in the sum of 80l. for money which had been lent to me—at that time we were on friendly terms—on 28th Jan. 1850, I borrowed 20l. of John Stowell, for which I gave him this I O U (produced)—this is my writing—on 11th Feb. I borrowed a further sum of 10l., for which I gave him an I O U for ten guineas—the 20l. was to be repaid on 28th Feb.—I was to pay him 30s. for the use of it, and 10s. for the 10l.—I repaid him the 20l., at least my wife paid the money—I was present—it was on 28th Feb.—it was paid in our parlour—(looking at a book produced) here is an entry in my own handwriting—it was made at the time—my wife was present—it was her hand that paid the money—I paid him 21l. 10s.—I made this entry at the time—the prisoner as present when I made it—this book was produced at the County Court—the 21l. 10s. was paid from the public house money—this is the public house book—I returned to him the 10l. which I borrowed on 11th Feb.—that was on 18th or 19th March, 1850, at the Elephant and Castle in front of the bar—Mr. Alfred Younger was with me—it was between 7 and 8 o'clock in the evening—I do not know that he saw me pay the money—he was there at the time—Stowell still retains the I O U's and has produced them here to day—when my wife had paid him the 21l. 10s., and after I had entered it into the book,

I asked him for the I O U—he put his hand to hit tide pocket, and said he had mislaid his pocket book, and that he would tend it over—at that time I was on friendly terms with him, and had been for about ten years, but we had not been so intimate only for the last three or four years—during that time there had been no breaking of the intimacy—when I paid him the ten guineas at the Elephant and Castle, I said, "Now you have the two documents to give me, John" (I was in the habit of calling him John)—he said, "Oh, it it all right, Bob, I quite forgot to bring them with me; I will send them over in a poster."

Q. Between that and 6th June of the same year, 1850, did you at any other time apply to him for the I O U's A. I do not remember the date; I did apply to him—he came to our house, I think, once, and I think I saw him once besides, but I cannot tell exactly how many times—oh, I thought you were speaking of between 28th Feb. and 11th March—he came oyer one Sunday evening, and I said, "You did not send me over the I O U's"—he said, "Well, I quite forgot it; it if all right"—I know that my sister borrowed 5l. of him—I know nothing of my own knowledge of the payment of that money—on or about 6th June, 1850, I had some words with Stowell—he served my sister with a writ that night, at least he brought some person with him to do so—I had words with him in consequence of that—the money was paid—I never saw the prisoner to speak to him after that 6th June till I saw him at the County Court—the summons was served on me on 25th Sept., 1851—until I received that summons I was never applied to by the prisoner or any other person for the moneys due on these I O U's—W. B. Davit is the name of the attorney in the summons—at that time Thomas Stowell, the prisoner's brother, was acting as clerk to Mr. Davis.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. On the first occasion I believe, although the Judge gave no, decision, there were no costs given on either side, were there? A. No; on the second occasion, when the Jury gave a verdict in my favour, there were no costs—the case was tried twice—I do not believe that there is a rule for a new trial now pending—I heard there was a motion made, and I have heard that the Judge has refused it—I swear that—my solicitor, Mr. Preston, told me so—I do not know that the decision of the Judge is standing over for the result of these proceedings—I swear I have not heard that—I cannot tell how it is that I have not got my costs—I was not present when the motion for the new trial was made, I was not in the neighbourhood of the Court, I was here—I was a bankrupt—I got a third class certificate—I am a licensed victualler and a cab proprietor—my certificate was a third class one on account of bad book-keeping—I do not now know exactly what I owed—I might have owed about 1,500l. or 1,600l.—I cannot tell exactly, it might have been more, it is impossible for me to any from memory how much more—I think what I owed and my liabilities was from 1,600l. to 1,800l.—I will not swear it was not 2,000l.—I will net wear from memory to any amount—I know it was not 3,000l.—I will swear it was not 3,000l.—it is impossible for me to swear whether it was 2,500l. or what it was—the creditors had what the estate produced—they have had nothing yet—I dare say they live in hopes—I have paid some of my creditors since I have been a bankrupt—my estate has not paid anything yet—I should think it is not yet wound up—I know that the property was sold, what there was—Mr. Stowell proved as a creditor—he has not yet got a halfpenny—I borrowed the 20l. to pay my cab duty—I did not make any angry of borrowing the money—I made an entry when it was paid—I am a very bad scholar—I have been more particular since my bankruptcy—the 10l. was a

matter not connected with the house at all—I entered that in the cab-book at the cab-yard—I have not got that—I entered the other in the house-book, because the payment was made at the house—the entry in the book is at the bottom of the page—it was entered in the regular way, and at the time—my wife saw me enter it—she did not look over my shoulder while I was doing it—she was in the parlour—there was nobody else in the parlour—the book was in the parlour, I took it there—the money was not in the parlour; it was in a tin box in a bag in the bar—the box was not locked—I have servants, but we never allow them at the bar—my wife fetched the money—I have been married about ten years to my present wife—she is the sister of Miss Maslin—Miss Maslin lives on her means, with her mother: I swear that—she was never a common servant; she lived thirteen years in one family—she left about seven years ago—I did not when I became a bankrupt assign the cabs over to her—the cabs were siezed in execution—she put in the execution—I owed her 400l. or 500l.—she put in an execution for the cabs, and also in the house—she did not seize the property in the house, she seized some of the cabs—that was a month or six weeks before my bankruptcy—I went through the Bankruptcy Court—my sister carried on the cab business during that time—she carried it on up to 1851—I have got the cabs now, for her, not as trustee for her—I pay her so much a year out of the business—I pay her 50l. a year until I pay her off—I have not paid her above one 50l.—I paid her by instalments, 10l. or 5l. at a time, as she wants it—she is not here—I have no regular time for paying her—my agreement is to pay her so much a quarter, 12l. 10s. I think—I swear that—that is in writing and on a regular stamp—she lets me pay when it is convenient—she lives sometimes with us and sometimes with various friends—she is living now just by Devizes—when she is with me she only comes on a visit—she does not wait at the bar, that I swear—I did not borrow this money of Stowell to pay my sister, for I had not at that time paid. her anything—I borrowed it to pay the cab duty—I entered the payment of it in the public-house book, because I paid it at the house—if I had paid it at the cab-yard I should have entered it in the yard-book—my sister did not pay the cab duty, as she was not then in town—I managed all the business—she did not know Mr. Stowell at that time—I applied to him to lend me 28l. on 22nd Feb. 1850, and he refused to let me have it unless he got my sister's name to the I O U—it was not paid at the time it was due—it remained unpaid till June—it ought to have been paid on 22nd March—my sister did not pay it because she had no money; all the money was in the business—she was sued, and she then paid it—I paid the money, at least Mr. Preston paid it—I rather think he got a bill discounted and paid it—I had the money from him—I believe it was got by a bill which he got discounted—I think I accepted the bill—Mr. Preston drew the bill—I accepted it, and left it for him to get discounted—I do not know who cashed the bill—I have paid it—it was paid some time last summer—it was for 25l.; that left something over—I think we paid it out of the cab business—by we I mean myself—the business belongs to my sister—I do not know exactly how much I got from Mr. Preston for the bill—I think it was a two months' bill, and I think I paid 25l. for it—I took the bill up and paid him—I cannot tell you how much money I actually received from Mr. Preston, I think all the 25l. within about 35s.—I have no entry of that—I do not know that my wife knew anything about it—I believe I paid the bill when it was at maturity—I will swear it—I know I have never been sued in any way, and when I had the money to pay Mr. Preston I paid him—I cannot tell you how I paid it, it must have

come out of the business—I do not know whether Mr. Younger saw me pay back the 10l. 10s.; he was there at the time—he said at the last trial that he did not—the prisoner had not then given me back the I O U.

Q. How came you to pay him back the second sum without getting back the first I O U? A. Well, we were on such terms of friendship together, that if it had been 500l. I should not have hesitated; as he promised to send it, I took no further heed—my solicitor, Mr. Preston, wrote for them to Mr. Games, after the action was brought on 6th June for the 5l. against my sister—that was after the action against my sister was settled—Mr. Games wrote to Mr. Preston for the payment of the I O U for 5l.—I told Mr. Preston it was paid, and that he must apply for it—I swear I instructed Mr. Preston to write for the I O U's—I cannot tell you the date; I think it was about July—I swear it was before Oct., 1851, and before Aug.—I should not like to swear to a particular date, for I am not certain—it was at the end of the settlement of the action with my sister.

MR. PARRY. Q. Just look at that letter (producing one); did you see that about the time it was written? A. Yes; as soon as Mr. Preston told me he had received this letter I told him to write to Mr. Games for the I O U's—this letter is dated 5th July, 1850—I told Mr. Preston to write for the I O U's on the very day he told me he had received this letter—it was in June, 1850, that I quarrelled with the prisoner about the action brought against my sister—I should think it was about two months after that quarrel that I instructed Mr. Preston to write to Mr. Games for the I O U's—I have no doubt of that—I am quite sure I gave those instructions long before Christmas, 1850—my sister was in service thirteen years—it was about eight years before my bankruptcy that my sister advanced me the money—some of that money she had saved, and some she had left her, and some was the produce of some property which was sold, and I received the money—I had to pay her so much till I paid off the debt—my assignees were fully aware of this transaction with my sister—they made investigation of it, and never took any proceedings to set it aside—at the time of my bankruptcy I do not think that my real debts were above 1,600l. or 1,700l.—I did not owe much as security for my brother, for I paid it by instalments—I owed the Anchor Life Assurance Society 250l.: I had paid all but 40l.—I attribute my bankruptcy to having become security—a portion of it was for my brother-in-law, and a portion for a person of the name of Ellis—what I owed at the time of my bankruptcy, as far as my brother-in-law was concerned, was about 40l., and for Ellis about 220l. or 225l.—since my bankruptcy I have paid some debts, above 200l.—I have paid that to creditors under my bankruptcy—some of them were trade creditors—I state, on my oath, that I have paid about 200l.—I do not know what has become of the book in which I entered the payment of the ten guineas—a man whom I had living with me for about nine years, I detected in dishonesty, and discharged—I told him to leave every document and paper he had got concerning my business, and when he went away I could not find the book—I have since asked him for the book, and he said he had not got it—that book was always at the stable, and I have never seen it since—I took out a summons for perjury against the Stowells and Garnett before the motion was made for a new trial.

REBECCA KENNETT . I am the wife of Robert Kennett, the last witness. I know the defendant—I saw this entry at the time it was made (looking at the book), my husband made it in my presence—I remember on that occasion the payment of 21l. 10s. to John Stowell; 20l. was for money lent, and 1l. 10s. was for the interest; it was paid at our house, the Hoop and Grapes

—I paid the money to Mr. Stowell, I counted it on the table, there was 11l. or 12l. in silver, and he said, "Dear me, how am I to take this silver?"—I lent him a chamois leather bag to take it away in—it was stated at the time that 20l. was for the money borrowed in Jan., and 30s. was for the interest—it was between 1 and 2 o'clock in the afternoon; Mr. Stowell dined at our house that day—we had a shoulder of mutton and onion sauce—on my oath I paid him the money for the purpose I have stated, in the presence of my husband—I was acquainted with Mr. Stowell, and had been some time previously—my maiden name was Maslin—Miss Maslin is my sister—at the time this money was paid, Mr. Stowell was on friendly terms with Mr. Kennett, particularly so, and he had been so some time previously—when I paid him the money, I asked him for the I O U; he said he had left his pocket book at home, and the I O U was in it, but he would send it over—I was not present at the payment of the ten guineas, but I counted the money and gave it to my husband—I was examined at the County Court—I remember, about 18th or 19th March my husband going out with some money; Mr. Alfred Younger, who is Calvert's broker, left our house with him.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. What had you besides this shoulder of mutton? A. We had vegetables; I cannot say exactly what—I dare say we had potatoes—I cannot recollect whether they were mashed or not—we generally wait on ourselves at table, and I dare say we did that day—the waiter attends to the business—to the best of my knowledge my sister was not staying with me, there was no one else present—I presume the servant roasted the mutton, and I daresay she brought it in—she is not living with us now, her Christian name is Hannah; I forget her surname, she lives somewhere in the neighbourhood of Kennington—I do not know whether she saw Mr. Stowell, he might not have been present until the dinner was on the table—I do not know whether he was or not, he came in and sat down to dinner with us—I do not know that I have been ordered out of Court—I have not had conversation with anybody within the last ten minutes—I have been talking to a great many people, but not relative to this case—I swear I have had no conversation about this case within the last half hour—I asked my husband how long be thought the case would last, there were three or four people present—he said he did not know, perhaps it would be till night—I have said nothing to any one about what was going to he said or had been said—I have said I hoped the case would soon be over, as I was very unwell—I asked Mr. Preston, the attorney, how long he thought it would be before it was over, and he said he did not know, but he never mentioned the case—there were three, four, or five persons present—I am not sure whether Mr. Younger was present, there was a room full of people, who I did not know and who I did know—the 21l. 10s. was money taken in the business of the house—I brought it from the bar, out of a box, and a bag I think, but would not speak positively—when I have gold I keep it in my pocket, and when I have silver I keep it in the bar in a bag in a til or zinc box—there is no key to it—no one had access to it but me and my husband—to the best of my recollection, as much as half the money was in silver—I am not certain whether I took it out of my pocket—Stowell came by appointment—I understood he was to come and dine with us, and receive the money—I suppose it was my husband that made the appointment, but at that time Stowell was in the habit of coming very frequently—I recollect the time my husband was bankrupt—I do not recollect the amount exactly, it was 1,600l. or 1,700l.—Miss Maslin was sometimes staying with us, and

sometimes not—my husband has got a cab business now* and is carrying it on—the last time I heard of Miss Maslin she was in Hammersmith, and she was going to Coombe in Wiltshire—I last saw her 9 or 10 weeks ago at Hammersmith, but only for a very short time—she was then going to Coombe, before that I had not seen her for some months—I cannot say exactly how long, she was at our house—she called on us, she was staying at Hammersmith—I cannot recollect how long she remained—she was, in service 12 years ago—she lived in one situation a great many years—I do not know how long since she left—when my husband went out with Mr. younger, be brought the money from the stable—I daresay it vas in a bag, some of it was in silver—he gave it to me to count, to see if it was right, and I gave it to him when he came in—my memory does not serve me as to what the coins were—the business is not so good as I should wish it to be—I believe it is his own business—I know nothing to the contrary—women do not always know all their husband's business, and perhaps I do not know his—I cannot say how long it has been his business—it was carried on for my sister for some time, but be always managed it—I cannot say when he ceased to do so, but he can—I do not think my sister carried on the business while he was going through the Bankruptcy Court—I was there. I did the work in it—I do not exactly know whose business it was then—I suppose it was my husband's—he had to account for it, what came in, and what was sold—I do not know who he had to account to, the business was carried on in the public house, and we had a man there from the brewery—the license was sever transferred.

MR. PARRY. Q. After be became bankrupt, did Messrs. Calvert continue to support him? A. Yes; they sent us whatever we required—he was indebted to my sister—she had advanced him money—he is now paying it off by instalments, by arrangement with my sister—we both had property—it arose from a public-house in the country, which was sold—I still adhere to the statement I have made, that I paid the money to Mr. Stowell in my house, as I stand here a living being, the 21l. 10s., but not the tea guineas—I have had no conversation as to what my husband has stated, I was very unwell, and I asked him how long he thought the case would last, as I Wanted to get home; and I asked Mr. Preston the same words.

ALFRED YOUNGER . I am a clerk to my uncle, who is broker to Messrs, Calvert, the brewers—on 18th March, 1850, about half-past 8 or 9 o'clock, I went with the prosecutor to the Elephant and Castle, where I saw John Stowell in front of the counter—I saw him and the prosecutor talking together—they mutually recognised each other—I heard some money being counted behind me, which I had previously seen Mr. Kennett put into his pocket at the Hoop and Grapes—I cannot tell how much money passed—I supposed Mr. Kennett was paying money to Mr. Stowell—I had received some information from Kennett as to what errand we were going on.

Cross-examined. Q. What were you doing at Kennett's? A. I went there on business for my employers, connected with the bankruptcy—the 19th March was the adjournment-day of the licensing magistrate, and I went to take care that Calverts did not lose their license; and I went with him to the Elephant and Castle, not for any particular business, it was partly in my way home—before he left home, I saw him take 5l. or 6l.-worth of silver from the table of the bar-parlour—I was a witness in the County Court—I recognized Stowell there immediately—Mr. Kennett nodded to me and said, "Look over there;" and when I saw Mr. Stowell, I recognized him as the person I had seen at the Elephant and Castle—I had some slight doubt

whether he was the person—it was very slight—it was sufficient for me to express it—I have no doubt about him now.

MR. PARRY. Q. Had you seen Mr. Stowell before? A. No; the first time I saw him was at the Elephant and Castle—I was there rather better than half an hour—I was standing in front of the counter some time before Mr. Stowell came—I was there about ten minutes while he was there—I believe I expressed a very slight doubt on the first trial—I recollect giving my evidence before the Jury—I have no doubt whatever that he is the man; but I did not see the money pass—I looked as though I did not interfere.

JOHN FORSTER . I was a licensed victualler, at 30, Tothill-street, Westminster—I am now a carpenter, at 20, Wellington-street, Pentonville—I know Mr. Kennett—I do not know much about Stowell—I have seen him—I was at the police-court when a man named Garnett made a statement—John Stowell was present, standing close behind him—Garnett was under charge at the time—the examination had not been quite closed—I cannot say what, Garnett said; but Stowell told him not to be a fool, and say too much.

Cross-examined. Q. Where did they pick you up? A. I was there, and Mrs. Kennett was there—I told her Stowell was speaking to Gamett, while he was being examined; and I called the policeman's attention to it as well—I am not a friend of Mrs. Kennett's—I did not know that I should have been called upon to come here—I was merely there to hear the charge, not at anybody's request—I had no interest in it—I went because I had heard the first examination—I had not known the Kennett's a fortnight before—I never was in their house but three times in my life—I have been once since this affair—I work at the Great Western Railway Station at present—I last worked there last week, a regular job from day to day—I did about seven days' work last month—I did no work the month before—I did about three weeks' work the month before that—I was a licensed victualler till within the last five months—I gave it up, because I could not get a living by it, and took to carpentering—I got into no scrape—I never had a report against the house—I have never been before a Magistrate—I shall tell you nothing but the truth—if you will be kind enough to name what scrape you mean, I will answer you with pleasure—I did not run away—I left the house because I could not make it do—I did not leave without leaving any message where I was gone to—I left it because I could do no business in it—there might be other reasons—I was ball for a person; but now she is found—I do not know who she was—I know she is found, because she is in prison—she goes by the name of Wright; but that is not her name I find—I was not bail for anybody named Smith—I have been bail for three persons—I know the name of one of them—I do not know what two of them were accused of; one was accused of picking pockets—he was not a friend of mine—I did not know him—I became bail for about 80l.—it was 180l. altogether; and the one I was bail for 80l. is in now—I was worth 500l. or 400l.—it is all gone—I have not paid the recognizances—two of the persons ran away, and one did not—the name of one of those who ran away was Clark, and I believe the other was Roberts—I cannot be certain—I told you I did not know the names of two, because, after I was bail, I found I was wrong—I was deceived in the party who got me to be bail, I thought he was a respectable man—he said they were friends of his—his name is Hyde—I got nothing for it—Iran the risk of losing all ray valuable property without gaining anything by it, because I thought he was a very respectable man—he used to come into the house, and always appeared very respectable—Ann Rosenberg was one of the persons—that is the one I thought was

Roberts—she was charged, I think, with having her band in somebody's pocket, without accounting properly for it; but I was taken to the Judge's Chambers, fetched away in a chaise, and I did not know anything about it—I was bail for Charles Clark at Birmingham—they took me down special; that was all friendship—I did not know what he was charged with; I have no idea—I do not know whether it was for picking pockets—Elizabeth Wright is the same person as Rosenberg—that is the one who is serving now—when a person is on the treadmill, I call it serving, in Her Majesty's service—I do not know whether her enlistment is for diving into a gentleman's pocket—there was a Martha James; that is Rosenberg—I never went a trip to Southampton.

MR. PARRY. Q. Did you believe Mr. Hyde to be a respectable man? A. Yes—he keeps a shoemaker's shop, and he used to use my house regularly every morning—I carried on the business of a licensed victualler there eleven months, but as they took up the whole of the street for alterations, I found my business fall off, and did not take 3s. a day for five weeks.

NAPOLEAN WILLIAM FITZPATRICK . I am a short-hand-writer. I was present at the trial, in the County Court, of Stowell against Kennett, by a Jury—I took notes of it—I have not got them here—I examined this copy with the original notes directly after it was copied from them—it is not my writing—by refreshing my memory by this, I can state what Mr. Stowell swore on that occasion—he was examined as to whether Mr. Kennett had paid him an I O U for 20l., and, as nearly as I recollect, he denied ever having been paid that sum—I remember a question respecting an I O U for ten guineas, and his answer was, that he had not received 1s. of Mr. Kennett, or on his behalf—I think those were the words, if I recollect right—I recollect his stating that two I O U's were produced, one for 21l. 10s., and another for 10l. 10s.—I do not think I should know them again—there was something mentioned about 28th Feb. about them.

Cross-examined. Q. You took the notes of the whole trial on that occasion? A. Yes, I heard Kennett examined.—(The witness was directed to leave the Court.)

COURT to ROBERT KENNETT. Q. When you were examined at the County Court, did you say you had paid the 10l. 10s. at the Elephant and Castle between ten and eleven o'clock at night? A. No.

N. W. FITZPATRICK recalled. I do not recollect that Mr. Kennett said he paid the money at the Elephant and Castle between ten and eleven o'clock in the evening—I cannot charge my memory—I cannot give any reason why I did not bring my notes—when I take notes I do not keep them afterwards—I am not aware whether they are destroyed or not—I was subpoenaed to prove the truth of the copy of certain notes—this is a copy of them—I examined it with the notes—to the best of my knowledge the notes are at home, but I do not keep note-books by me—I was taken there on purpose to take notes—I was engaged to take them by Mr. Kennett—it was no matter of interest to me who I took them for—Mr. Kennett paid me—if the prisoner had asked me I should have done the same.

MR. PARRY. Q. When did you examine that copy with the original notes? A. I saw a complete copy of them about three days after they were taken—I saw a copy of the evidence of John Stowell on Sunday, the day after the notes were taken—these first sheets are John Stowell's examination and were written by my younger brother on Sunday morning, the day after the examination—I swear positively that they are a correct copy of say original notes—I have compared the two together—it is a literal transcript, and a fair and impartial accounts of the evidence.


5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-454
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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454. JOHN STOWELL was again indicted with THOMAS STOWELL and GEORGE HOWSON GARNETT . for a conspiracy.

MESSRS. PARRY and WOOLLETT conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS HILL . I am the usher of the Southwark County Court. I was present on 7th Dec, at a cause which was tried between John Stowell and Robert Kennett—this is the certificate of the plaint (produced)—it contains the finding of the Jury—each of the defendants were sworn as witnesses for Stowell.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Were you present during the whole of the trial? A. I cannot swear that—it was my dnty to swear the witnesses, and I swore them—I do not know that a new trial has been moved for.

ROBERT KENNETT . I am the landlord of the Hoop and Grapes, Broadway, Westminster—I know John Stowell—I have been intimate with him four or five years—I have known him a great many years—I became bankrupt in 1850; and owed him the sum of 50l., and after that time, on 28th Jan., I borrowed 20l. of him, which was to be paid him on 28th Feb.—I was to pay 1l. 10s. for interest—on 11th Feb. I borrowed 10l. of him, for which I was to pay 10s. interest—he had been in the habit of lending money to me—the interest was regulated in many ways—he used to have my horse and chaise, and drive with me, and he used to have gin, ducks, fowls, and cigars—I was in the habit, besides paying him interest, of supplying htm with articles which I had in my house—I stated these circumstances in the County Court, in Oct. 1851, and John Stowell admitted it himself in the County Court—I heard him asked questions as to whether he had not had gin, and articles, I deal in—he said he had had gin, fowls, cigars, and various things—the question put was, whether he had received anything else besides money—when he has had these sort of things for money, I would say, "What am I to pay you for this?" and he would say, "I have had the horse and chaise, and I have had the gin, I shall only charge you so much for this"—the interest was generally regulated when money was borrowed—I paid him the 20l., on 28th Feb., and the 10l. on 18th or 19th March, at the Elephant and Castle—my wife paid him the 21l. 10s. in. our house—Mr. Younger was with me when I paid the ten guineas—I took the money from the stables—I carried on a cab business besides that of a publican, and that was the produce of the stables—I have a desk in the stables, but in the stables I had then, I had a counting house—there was a place for books, which was locked up—the foreman takes the money every night, sometimes I ask him for it once in two or three weeks, and sometimes oftener—I have taken sometimes 7l. a day—I do not known whether Mr. Younger saw me take the money from my wife—I think he was in the room when I took it off the table—my wife counted it—I gave it, to her—I think there was more than I paid Mr. Stowell—I am sure my wife counted it—an entry of the 20l. Was made at the time in this book (produced)—it is a day book which is kept in the house for any payment my wife makes, or anything—these are all payments—here is an entry of 21l. 10s., on 28th Feb.—that entry was made on the day I paid it—I believe this adding up over leaf was made at the end of the week, but it is not my adding up, it is my wife's—about 6th June, 1850, I quarrelled with Stowell—I had some words with him, and from that time down to Oct. 1851, I did not see him or have any conversation with him—he did not, during that period, directly or indirectly apply to me for these two sums—I gave two I O Us for these two sums, but did not get them back from him when I paid him—when I paid him the 21l. 10s. I asked him for the I O U—he put his hand into his

breast-pocket, and said, "Dear me, I have left my pocket-book behind," or "I have left my pocket-book at home"—when I paid him the other sum I said, "Now, John, you have the two documents to give me"—he said, "Dear me, I forgot it; I will tend them over in a poster"—he never sent them to me—after I quarrelled, or bad words with him, at the beginning of June, I instructed my solicitor to apply for them; that was shortly after June, 1860—I never received them—he never applied, directly or indirectly, for them till I received the summons in the County Court action—when the summons was heard the plaintiff was no suited by the Judge—the case was afterwards tried by a Jury, and a verdict given in my favour—I never got any answer to the application I instructed my attorney to make—Thomas Stowell was examined in the first action; Mr. Garnett was not examined—he was on the second examination—I do not recollect John Stowell being sworn; I was not in Court—I did not hear him examined the second time, nor Garnett—on the second occasion all the witnesses were ordered out of Court—I heard Thomas and John Stowell examined on the first occasion—Garnett was not found then—I should think a month or six weeks elapsed before he was apprehended—I was not present at his apprehension; I saw him after he was apprehended—I was sent for, and rode with him in a cab to the police-court with the policeman—I said to him, "I never saw you before I saw you at the trial"—he said, "I am aware you did not"—I asked him if he had been a witness for Thomas Stowell before—he said, "Yes," and said he would tell all in the morning; that he had been drawn into it, through poverty, by the Stowells—he said the last time he had been a witness he put his name to several bills of indictment (I think he said four) against brothel-keepers, and one was against a man of the name of Lewis, or Levi, in Exeter-street, and that Stowell told him to put his name to it, it was no matter, and he went before the Grand Jury, I think he said at Middlesex, and then he ran away—I think that was all he said—Thomas Stowell did not call on me after the end of 1850, or at any time, and ask me for payment of the I O U's—after these indictments were found, he was out of the way from Jan., in this year, and I had to offer a reward of 2l. for his apprehension—he was apprehended by a man named Richard, or Richards—I found a man who I gave 15l. to tell me where he was, and he was apprehended through my instrumentality—there is no entry of the payment of the ten guineas in this book—we never enter any money in the book, except it is paid for the house—if you look at part of that book, you will find a part of the money I took home from the stables to the house—my wife enters it in the book, and money she takes she books against me—this book contains nothing but the payments.

COURT. Q. But you say your wife gave you credit in this book? A. I am not a very good scholar; I will show you (looking at the book)—if you look over leaf you will find the payments for wages—the book is begun two ways; you will see it on the back leaf, at the top of the leaf; it is "Cash—cash," and if you turn over you will see where my wife has paid the coachman and the ostlers—we have only latterly kept the account of the stable in this book—if my wife takes anything for me, she keeps the account there against me—the account for the stable is in this book for Feb. and March, 1850—that it since we have had a new man—this account, March, 1850, is when my wife has paid the wages on Saturday night.

Q. I understood you to say, in the early part of your examination, that you made no entries in this book of what you paid at the stable? A. No; this was paid at the house—it is entered in this book—this is where it was paid from—all moneys paid by me or my wife were entered in that book—if

it is for the use of the stable, it is entered in this book, all money for the use of the stable, be it for what purpose it may—I was incorrect in saying no payments for the stable were entered in it—what I mean is, that all moneys which my wife pays, are entered in that book, for whatever purpose it may be—if I pay money, or my men pay money in the stable, we have a book there for the purpose of putting it in, or else when we count up our takings and expenditure for the week my wife could not do it, unless she could show me where the money was gone.

MR. PARRY. Q. At this time had you a stable book? A. Yes; I do not know where it is gone—I had a person who I discharged for dishonesty, and I have not seen the stable book since—it is a small book—I have applied to him for it, but have not been able to get it—I have not made application to him since this matter was investigated—I asked him if he had got any books or papers of mine, and he said, "No"—he was subpoenaed at the County Court on the other side, but was not examined.

Cross-examined. Q. Some time ago you were in difficulties; when was that? A. In 1850; I became a bankrupt and got a third class certificate—I have, since yesterday, ascertained from my solicitor that my debts were 1,800l.—I knew within a little, but you wanted me to swear to a particular amount—the dividend was nothing in the pound—my sister, who was living with me, has been in service—she is a most respectable person—she had money, but she did not get it from service; it was some property which was left—her name is Miss Maslin—I owe her now about 400l.—I owed her between 400l. and 500l. at the time of my bankruptcy—she put an execution on my premises—the cabs were seized by the Sheriff under a bill of sale which she held—they were not all seized by her, but some of them were, and I superintended them for her while I was going through the Bankruptcy Court—I have paid some of my creditors since the bankruptcy—no dividend has ever been declared—when I received my third class certificate, I continued my business with some of the same cabs and horses—my sister had not seized any portion of the furniture at my house; it belonged to Calverts', the brewers, it never belonged to me—my sister seized what would satisfy her demand—I still owe her 400l., which I am paying her by instalments—I have an arrangement to pay her 50l. a year—John Stowell was one of my creditors—I owed him 80l.—I have not paid him a farthing of that—he proved under the estate, and said at the time he was perfectly satisfied, and if I wanted 100l. more he would let me have it—I told him I should pay him—I did not pay him; and although he still has the I O U's, he has been paid them both back—I again swear that to-day, and that he still retains the I O U's (the I O U's were here produced)—he made some excuse which prevented my getting these I O U's—we were on great friendship and great confidence—the words I had with John Stowell were in consequence of 28l. which he had advanced to Miss Maslin on 22nd Jan.; no, Feb., I think—it was to be paid in a month—it was all borrowed for a month—it was not paid, because we could not spare the money—John Stowell gave her a couple of months before he took proceedings; March and April, and until 6th June, I am not certain, but I think there was some consideration given for the time—he then commenced proceedings—he was not paid directly he commenced; it was paid, I think, by instalments, which were finished in July—I paid the money through my solicitor—I got it out of the money from the business, out of the produce of the cabs, getting Mr. Preston to discount a bill for me—that was after the bankruptcy was over, before I began taking to the cabs again—I got my certificate, I think, on 28th or 29th Jan., 1851—it was sus—

pended for nine months for bad book keeping, and then I got a third class one—during the whole of the nine months, I was carrying on the cab business in my sister's name, for her—it was during the nine months that I borrowed all these sums—my wife carried on the public house business, for the benefit of the estate till the thing was settled—I was examined yesterday, and swore distinctly that I had paid back both these sums, the one at my own house and the other at the Elephant and Castle—this book was produced—I did not hear myself charged with perjury, and with having falsified this book—I heard you called me a swindler, but you had no proof of it—I was out of Court when you addressed the Jury yesterday—I did not hear what his Lordship put to the Jury—this book was produced, and I swore, as I have done to-day, that these entries were made at the time—I know that after swearing all that, the Jury acquitted John Stowell—I cannot help that—I know that Mr. Stowell and Mr. Davis, his attorney, have over and over again offered to me to compromise and not go on with it, and John Stowell came to my solicitor and offered him 580l. not to go on with it—I was not present—I and Mr. Preston did not make any arrangement about Garnett—I did not give him any instructions to go into the gaol to see Garnett; I know that he did go into the gaol and see him—I only know of once—I do not know what business he had in the gaol with Garnett, the person he was prosecuting—I have never asked—on my oath, it was not on my own suggestion and promise that Garnett pleaded "Guilty"—I directed Mr. Preston to make no offers to him; I mean to say, I held out no inducement to Garnett—I sent him no presents into Newgate, nor do I know of Mr. Preston sending him any presents into Newgate—what Mr. Preston went into Newgate for I do not know; he has not told me—I mean to say he told me he had seen Garnett in Newgate, and I did not ask him what he went for—I have not seen him since, except in the cab and at the police court—I had no communication with him there—there used to be a benefit society at my house—I held the cash and gave security for it—the box was never lost, nor the cash, or any part of it, while I had charge of it—the same society is not at my house now—I never had any accusation of the kind ever hinted against me—I have got a society at my house, which has been there these ten years, and I hold their money without any security—this book is partly in my wife's writing and part in mine; some of this page is mine and some is my wife's—I account for this great splotch of ink by one of my little boys getting the book one day when it was lying on the table.

MR. PARRY. Q. Was it 80l. which you owed John Stowell at the time of your bankruptcy? A. Yes; I promised to pay him back on more than one occasion, and I meant to pay him—at that time we were on friendly terms—it was at that time he advanced me these two sums—I was very friendly with him then, with every member of the family, and he with me—the assignees investigated the matter as regards the business with my sister—they never brought any claim on account of the estate—it was eight or nine years before the bankruptcy, that my sister advanced me money—a public house was left by an aunt between her and my wife and my two brothers—135l. was my sister's share, which I received from Mr. Rose, of Argyle-street—at the time of my bankruptcy I had been security for Mr. Ellis and for the Anchor Life Insurance—I owed 300l.—I had distressed my business to pay it off; that was the immediate cause of my bankruptcy—I had to pay off 160l. on my brother's account—I paid it out of the proceeds of my business, and that, in the year that the corn was so dear, quite distressed me—at that time I had forty horses, and I was not much in the cab business—John

Stowell has also retained a 5l. I O U which my wife has paid—it was about 6th June—here is the entry of it in the book, on 6th June—I did not make it myself; it is in my wife's writing—I did not see it till some days afterwards—John Stowell has not returned that I O U to this hour—the money was received by my sister—it was her I O U—I had nothing to do with it—my wife paid it out of the business, as we were carrying on the business for my sister—in July, 1850, when proceedings had been taken for the 28l., a gentleman named Games was the attorney for John Stowell—he wrote to Mr. Preston for the 5l., and I instructed Mr. Preston to write back for that I O U and two others.

REBECCA KENNETT . I am the wife of the last witness—I was present at a payment of some money which took place between the defendant and my husband on 28th Feb., 1850—John Stowell came to our house about I in the day, and had dinner with us; after dinner Mr. Kennett told me to get the money—I went to the bar, fetched the money, and paid him 21l. 10s.; I counted it out on the table; 11l. or 12l. was in silver; I cannot speak to the exact amount, and the rest in gold—he made the remark, "Dear me, how am I to take this silver? have not you got any change?" and I lent him a chamois leather bag which I made myself—he put the money into it, and put it into his pocket—I asked him for the I O U, and he said he had left it at home in his pocket-book, and he would send it over—this entry on Mary Ann's account, on 6th June, 1850, is mine, and I paid it on that days it was the last day Mr. Stowell was at our house, about 11 in the morning.

Cross-examined. Q. You saw that entry made in the book which you produce? A. Yes, by my husband, and I made this entry myself of the 5l.—I see a large mark of black ink on this page, beginning March 17; I cannot say how it came there; perhaps the ink was upset on it—the book was on the desk ten or twenty times a day—the book has been in use in the public-house, and I cannot tell how it came on—on the day the money was paid we had shoulder of mutton and onions for dinner—Mr. Stowell was there.

MR. PARRY. Q. Look at that entry of 21l. 10s., you say that was made in your presence by your husband; are you quite sure of that? A. Yes—on the other side of the adding-up I see 45l.; that is my writing; it was written at the time, at the end of the week; generally of a Saturday night, after business is over, I look over the book and add it all up; I always do—at the time I added it up, this entry on the other side of 21l. 10s. was there; it was a portion of the adding up, if it is added up right—I am not a very good scholar, unfortunately—I swear it was added up by me at the time.

COURT. Q. Do I understand you, you always add up the week's expenses? A. Not always; I generally do—I do not know that it is so all through—I book everything above 6d. always—it is at the commencement of the book (pointing to it).

Q. Just look at this "45," there appears to have been something scratched out there? A. I am not aware of it; there is a blot made, but there is nothing scratched out, I am quite positive.

Q. Look at that "4," there appears to have been something scratched out? A. There is nothing that I am aware of; I will pledge my oath this book is as I booked it at the time; there was nothing before upon it that I am aware of—before this "4" was put there there was not a "2;" on my oath there was not—I am not a very good scholar—perhaps this appearance of a scratch may have been done with a pen accidentally; I do not know how it was done—I enter it day by day—I summed it up as it is entered

day by day, and added it up at the end of the week—there never tree another figure there.

Q. On this side you see this entry, "Mr. Stowell, 21l. 10s.," there is a little stroke between the "Stowell" and the "2," it runs into the "2," is that your writing? A. No, it is my husband's writing he entered it in my pretence, and I am not sure that Mr. Stowell was not present too—he was in the house at the time, because it was entered as soon as it was paid—I saw it written by my husband.

ALFRED YOUNGER . I am the nephew of Mr. Younger, who is Calvert's broker. I remember being present at the Hoop and Grapes, on 19th or 19th March, 1850—I went with Mr. Kennett to the Elephant and Castle; I saw the three defendants there—I saw John Stowell and Mr. Kennett together in front of the bar before the counter—they remained together, to the best of my recollection, about ten minutes—I saw Mr. Kennett put some silver in his pocket at the Hoop and Grapes, which was on the table when I was there, before he went to the Elephant and Castle—I did not see any money pass from him to Stowell; I saw them talking together, and I heard, some silver being counted, which I supposed to be the silver which I saw Mr. Kennett take from the table in the bar parlour; I did not look round, not Wishing to interfere—it was silver I heard.

Cross-examined. Q. I may take it as you said yesterday, you were not, on your examination at the County Court, quite certain about the man? A. Not quite; I had an infinitesimal doubt; a very small doubt—I knew there were cases of mistaken identity, and as I had no conversation with the man, I had a trifling doubt; it was very slight.

MR. PARRY. Q. Was that on the first occasion? A. Yes; I have no doubt now, not the slightest in the world—I gave evidence on the second trial in the County Court; I had set any doubt then.

FRANCIS HOBLET . I am an attorney. This record (produced) was mine—I was not attorney for the prosecution, the City solicitor prosecuted; I was a witness—I know Thomas Stowell, he is the man named in the record—he was tried in the Court of Queen's Bench; I was present, I do not know that he was present—he was tried on this charge—I believe he was convicted—I am not sure that any sentence was passed; I did not hear any—it was between nine and ten years ago.

NAPOLEAN WILLIAM FITZPATRICK . I am a reporter by profession, in which capacity I write shorthand. I took notes in Dec. of the trial in the County Court, between John Stowell and Mr. Kennett—I have not got the notes, I have looked for them since yesterday; I should think they are destroyed; they were taken in shorthand—this (produced) I can undertake to say is an accurate transcript of my notes; I presume there has been no alteration.

Cross-examined. Q. When was that made? A. Part was made the day after the notes were taken; I believe the case came on on a Saturday, and part of the notes were transcribed the next day, and ultimately they were finished in about three days—I finished them—I did not write the whole of this part of the commencement was written by my brother, as I said yesterday—it was transcribed on this paper—I mean to say this is a correct transcript of the shorthand notes, part by my brother, and part by myself, about a fifth by my brother—I tested the accuracy of it by his reading through the part he had done, and then my reading my notes while he inspected it—I pledge myself to the verbatim accuracy of the report, it is true and impartial; there may be a few words which are no there; there might be a word absent,

but not wilfully absent, in substance there is nothing absent; it gives question and answer.

(The notes were here read; the evidence of John Stowell was in substance that the money lent by him to Kennett had never been repaid; and the evidence of Thomas Stowell and Garnett was to the effect, that they went together to Kennett's house, and made application to him for the money; and that Kennett, instead of stating that the money was paid, requested further time to be allowed to pay it in.)

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Am I to understand you took down those shorthand notes yourself? A. Yes; every bit of them—a person named Andrews may have taken notes, but he was not assisting me—this is a copy of my own notes.

JAMES WINNING . I am a clerk in the Crown Office. I produce five bills of indictment, preferred before the Grand Jury at Westminster, for keeping disorderly houses; one against John Bryant and Elizabeth Williams, one against Abraham R—and David David, one against Elizabeth and James Good, and one against Elizabeth and Mary Harriss, all for the same offence; all preferred at the same date, 22nd Nov., 1850, and all ignored—Thomas Stowell prosecuted—I also produce two bills of indictment against Thomas Stowell, which were preferred at this Court and removed into the Queen's Bench by certiorari, at the instance of the defendant Thomas Stowell—he was indicted for keeping back a witness from giving evidence against two persons, Esther Stanley and others, for felony—the attorney endorses the names on the back of the bills before they go before the Grand Jury—his name is W. P. Davis.

Cross-examined. Q. One of the bills was quashed? A. There was an arrest of judgment in the case that was removed.

MR. METCALGE. Q. Was there a conviction, and was judgment arrested? A. Yes; for want of a good venue—I do not recollect whether the sentence was eighteen months' imprisonment.

JOSEPH GILLHAM . I am a law writer, of 36, Red Lion-street, Holborn. I was present in the Bail Court, Westminster Hall, on 22nd Nov., 1850, and received these bills now put into my hand—I saw Thomas Stowell sworn, and the man on this side (Garnett) swore to the name of George Gardner—I find the names of George Gardner and Thomas Stowell on the back of the bills—they were sworn on all these five bills—Garnett was sworn in the same name on all these five bills, and went before the Grand Jury—I believe the bills were thrown out—I do not know, of my own knowledge, who was the prosecutor; I only know them by seeing Stowell go before the Grand Jury and Gardner—there was a Mr. Davis, an altorney, there, but not at the Grand Jury door—I saw him afterwards in conversation with Thomas Stowell and a person of the name of Moses Jacobs—I took a note of the bills at the time.

MARK LOOME (police-sergeant, B 11). I know Garnett—on one occasion I saw him at the Westminster Police-court—I think it was in Dec, 1850—he said he was Mr. Davis's clerk, and had come for a copy of depositions against Bryant, Davids and Bull.

Garnett. Q. How many times did you see me in that Court? A. Only that once in that Court, but I have repeatedly seen you.

MR. PARRY. Q. Where have you seen him? A. In company with Thomas Stowell, perhaps four or five times; I never kept account of the times—it was within three or four months previous to the time I saw him at the Court—I saw him after that, and also before that, in Nov.

Garnett. Q. You say you saw me three or four months prior to that

time? A. I will not be sure as to the date, I never kept any account of the date; it might be three months and it might be two—I have seen you at Southwark, near the Police-court—that might be a month or two previous to seeing you at Westminster, but I never kept any account—I have repeatedly seen you and Stowell over on the Surrey side of the water together; I will swear that—I cannot say the time within a month or two.

MR. PARRY. Q. Was it within six months? A. Yes; after the time I saw him applying for the depositions, but the same month I saw him with Thomas Stowell outside this Court.

JOSEPH GALLOWAY . I am a clerk in the Inland Revenue-office. I have resided eighteen years at 40, Thomas-street, Oxford-street—during that time no person named George Howson Garnett has resided at that house—Garnett never resided there (looking at him).

Garnett. Q. Is there any more than one No. 40, Thomas-street? A. Yes, there is 40 and 40a.

HENRY EDWARDS . I am a licensed victualler, and live at 40a, Thomas-street, Oxford-street. I carry on my business there. I have seen Garnett, and know him by sight—he has resided there two or three nights; I cannot be positive, but for two nights he has since I have been there—it is since April 3rd, 1851—he did not reside there any more than sleeping in the house—he came in the evening and asked if he could have a bed, and he paid 6d. for his bed for two nights—I married into the house on 3rd April, 1851, and I know he slept in the house 2 nights afterwards—I am quite aura he did not reside there on the 12th Dec., 1851—I do not know whether he was in Cumberland on 28th Oct. last—I cannot tell whether I saw him on or about 28th Oct.—I did not see him in Cumberland—I never was out of London since 3rd April—I know nothing of the man any more than his coming in for porter or gin.

JOHN OGLETHORPE . I know Garnett—I recollect putting into his hand a copy of the Morning Advertiser, about the middle of last Oct.—I cannot tell the day—I said there was an advertisement in the paper for George Howson Garnett, and if it met his eye there would be something to his advantage, by applying 6, Swan-street, Trinity-square—I said, "I hope it is something to your advantage, it is some friend of yours who has left you some property"—he said, "Well I had a friend sometime ago went abroad, and he promised me at his death be would leave me something"—I said, "The best thing you can do, is to go there directly"—he said, "I do not see it exactly, I don't think I shall go myself, perhaps I will send some person"—I showed it him in front of a bar, in Duke-street, Manchester-square, not at Penrith, in Cumberland—there was no signature to the advertisement.

RICHARD GALLAHER (City policeman 499). I apprehended Garnett, in Threadneedle-street, City—I had not been looking for him—he was pointed out to me by a gentleman, whose name I ascertained was Sir Augustus Hilary—it was on Jan. 20th, about half past 2 or 3 in the afternoon—I asked him if at his name was George Howson Garnett—he said it was—I told him he was given in charge for conspiracy and perjury—he said, "I am the man, I am guilty; I have been drawn into it by the Stowell's, and through poverty"—I took him to the station, Bow-lane, Cheapside, and took him from there myself to the Southwark police-court—he said nothing to me—Mr. Kennett and I were riding with him in a cab, and a conversation arose between him and Mr. Kennett and Mr. Preston, the solicitor, who was also in the cab—(I had given notice to Mr. Preston at his office, of Garnett's apprehension, and he came to our office, and I conveyed the prisoner to the police court, in the

Borough)—the only thing I recollect was Garnett alluding to signing some papers—I cannot say whether they were three or four in number—I do not recollect any person's name being mentioned by Garnett, in reference to signing any papers.

Cross-examined. Q. Can you give me any notion who this Sir Augustus Hilary is—who is he? A. I do not know the gentleman any further than the name which he gave at our office—that is him (pointing to a gentleman, who stated that he was Sir Augustus Hilary, Bart.)—he walked up to me in the street, and stated that there was a warrant out for Garnett's apprehension, and on that information I apprehended him—I cannot tell you whether Sir Augustus had been in communication with Garnett before—I had never seen either of them before—I cannot tell whether Sir Augustus is a relation of Mr. Preston—he told me, after I took the prisoner, that there was a reward of 10l. offered—he said I could have it—I have not had it yet—he told me nothing else—he did not tell me what he had to do with it, or whether he had been in communication with Garnett at all, nor how he was interested in it that I am aware of—I never saw him as a witness.

Garnett. Q. You say when I was taken in custody I pleaded poverty—pray where did that occur? A. In Threadneedle-street—I cannot say whether if another person had been walking with you he must have overheard the conversation—I swear you spoke to me between the Bank of England and being taken to the police-court.

Garnett, Q. I did not open my lips, as I am a sinner; when we got into the cab did you make any remark to me? A. No; I do not recollect saying anything—I am sure I did not say, "If I were in your situation I would tell the whole truth, and it would be better for you"—I do not recollect coming up to your cell and saying Mr. Kennett and Mr. Preston would stand my friends if I would stick to them (the witness here stating that he was ill, his further examination was postponed).

GEORGE DOWNE . I am gaoler of the Southwark police court—Garnett was in my custody—he made a statement—inspector Barry and a City police-officer, the last witness, were present at the time, and also Mr. Preston—the prisoner was cautioned by me before he made his statement—how we came to be all assembled was, that an application had been made to the Court, a message had been conveyed from the Court to me that Mr. Preston was to see the prisoner, and that if he pleased to make any statement he was at liberty to do so—inspector Barry did not bring me that message, Mr. Preston brought it, it was a verbal message—Mr. Preston wrote the words down—I and inspector Barry were present—Garnett signed it at the end, and I and the inspector signed it as witnesses—I heard it read over to him before he signed it (read—George Howson Garnett says, "The first intimation he had of the action in the County Court was an advertisement in the Morning Advertiser, of 8th Oct., which was put into his hands by Mr. Oglethorpe, at the wine vaults, at Duke-street, Manchester-square; he at first took no notice of the advertisement for nearly a month, being fearful it was something emanating from Stowell, and I wished to be entirely quit of the transaction; I ultimately received two letters from Thomas Stowell, begging me to come over to his residence, 6, Swan-street, Trinity-square—on 10th Dec. last I went over, and Thomas Stowell said he wanted me to be a witness against Kennett; I said I had heard Mr. Kennett acknowledge a debt due to Thomas Stowell, but I understood it was the one before his bankruptcy; Stowell asked me to swear that when I called with him on Mr. Kennett, two I O U's were produced, one for 20l. and another for 10l. 10s., and that I heard him ask Mr. Kennett for the money; I agreed to do so, and he gave me 10s. 6d. and John Stowell

gave me 5s., the night after the trial; on the night of the trial, after John Stowell had given me the 5s., he stated that the verdict was an adverse one, and I had better get out of the way; I was not in Penrith at the time of the advertisement; I saw John Stowell on the morning of the trial, but he did not say anything to me; on the morning of the trial, Davis came into hit office when I was there, and Stowell said, 'Here is George,' Davis replied, I have seen him before;' I know no I O U was produced at Mr. Kennett's when I called on him, nor was any sum of money in particular mentioned; in 1851 I was a witness with Thomas Stowell, who was a witness against throe brothel keepers; I went by the name of George Gardner in the indictment of Lewis, of Exeter-street) Strand; I do not remember the name I went by in the other indictments, but I think it was Gardner; I wrote the name on, and it want in on the back of the bill, to the best of my recollection; when the last bill was preferred, Davis, the attorney for John Stowell in the County Court, was there, and in consequence I went in the name of Gardner; I went to the police-court, Westminster, in the name of Davis's clerk by the direction of Thomas Stowell; I went for the copy of the depositions against three prisoners, Bryant, Bull, and Davis; I had some words with Davis as to going to the Court in his name, there was a terrible row about it; Davis was very angry with me for using his name; this was twelve months ago; I do, of my own knowledge, know that the case of John Stowell. against Kennett, is a conspiracy. This is my statement, made before the inspector of police, and George Downe, the jaoler of the Court, at Southwark, contained in four sheets of paper, and read over to me, 21st Dec, 1852."

Cross-examined. Q. Did you get anything in this matter? A. No, I received nothing whatever from anybody—it was Mr. Preston who brought the message from the Magistrate—he said he had mad an application to the Court, and he was to see the prisoner in my presence and that of the. Inspector—Mr. A'Beckett was the sitting Magistrate—I did not go and ask whether that was a fact—I frequently receive those messages—I do not often have the message from the solicitors, but I do from other parties—I do not know that I ever received such a message as this before—I have very reason to think that the message came from Mr. A'Beckett, because I frequently receive messages from the Magistrate—I will not say that I receive them through the attorney for the other side—I have been gaoler there three or four years—I do not know of Mr. Preston going in to see Garnett before or afterwards, only on that occasion—the prisoner was there twice in my custody, but the time that statement was made was the first time—I do not know whether Mr. Preston saw him the second time, but it is very likely he did—he certainly could not have seen him without my knowledge—I do not think he did—it is not unlikely that he did see him a second time—I should not like to swear I did not introduce him to the prisoner a second time—I think the second time was about a week afterwards—it would not be at all contrary to my duty to introduce Mr. Preston to him—I mean to represent that I, as gaoler, am permitted to introduce persons without orders—I admit some thousands in the course of twelve months—I do not admit the attorney; that would perhaps be a remarkable thing—it is very likely I might have done it the second time, but I would not swear it—I hardly know how the paper was procured on which the supposed confession was written—I do not know—I cannot give you an idea, perhaps you can give me one—I very frequently do procure paper—it is not unlikely that I procured the paper on which this confession is written—I did procure it—I got it out of my desk—I was not

paid for it, I made a present of it, I very frequently do—I do not know whether I sent the breakfast in to Garnett—it is very likely he may have bad a breakfast.

COURT. Q. It is your business to know, or you will be in very great jeopardy A. Well, I believe the prisoner had his breakfast, at least that he had his dinner.

MR. BALANTINE. Q. Do not you know? A. Yes, he had—it was sent in to him—I do not know by whom, or who took it in.

COURT. Q. Do you mean to say you let persons in without knowing who they are? A. Yes, a great many persons come, frequently visitors to prisoners come—Garnett was confined in my room; no, in my cell—I daresay I took the dinner into the cell—I did, but I cannot say who I took it of.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. You took in the dinner? A. Yes, I had no doubt of that at first, but I misunderstood your question—I do not know who I had it of, or who was present when I received it—I am certain Kennett was not present; I do not know whether Mr. Preston was—I do not know who paid for. it, I never heard—I know the prisoner Garnett had a dinner—I did not provide him with it—I did not know before, that he was going to have a dinner—nobody told me so, to the best of my knowledge and belief, but he had a dinner—that was not provided at the Court's expense, nor at mine—he had many friends—Kennett did not see him once—he might have seen him, but he had no conversation with him at the time he was in my custody—Kennett did not go into the cell with Garnett, I will swear that—he did not come to the cell to my knowledge—he could not have come without my knowledge—Mr. Preston saw him perhaps two, three, or four times—I did not swear just now that he did not see him more than once.

Garnett, Q. Do you recollect my telling you that Mr. Preston and Kennett were going to bail me? A. I do not, nor do I recollect who gave me the money for the first dinner—you and I had a little drop of brandy to drink—I had no 2s. given me—I do not recollect that we had sundry drops of brandy together, and that I got so drunk that I could not count seven, and made seven into five, and five into seven—I do not recollect saying, after the second examination, that they had used you very badly by making a witness of you—I got no dinner for you the second time you were there; I daresay you had dinner; I do not know what you had—I provided you with no dinner—whatever dinner you had some of your friends sent in to you—I do not know who the friends were—it is very likely you had two dinners while in my custody, but who produced them I do not know.

Q. Do you recollect asking me what I should like for dinner? Did not I say, "Order me a rump-steak, and plenty of potatoes, and I don't care for anything else but a pint of porter;" and you said, 'Would not you like a drop of brandy?' Now, who paid for the brandy? A. I do not know; perhaps I did—I did.

MR. PARRY. Q. As regards persons waiting to be conveyed to the police-office, is it customary for them to send out for refreshment? A. It is, and persons who are going to be heard before a Magistrate frequently have refreshment—Garnett's statement was made voluntarily, because I gave him notice that he was not compelled to say anything unless he pleased, and likewise explained to him the message that Mr. Preston conveyed to me from the Magistrate—young Mr. Charnock did not act as attorney for Garnett; the Magistrate would not allow him—at a certain part of the examination Mr. A'Beckett asked Garnett if any one was attending for him as his adviser—Garnett, if I recollect right, said, "No"—with that Mr. Charnock,

a young man, stepped up, and said he was retained Co act for the prisoner—Garnett said he had neither retained any one nor did he want any one, for he intended to plead guilty to the offence, and Mr. Charnock was ordered to sit down.

Garnett. Q. Do not you recollect when Mr. Kennett and Mr. Preston were there taking me to where Mr. Charnock, jun., was sitting, you unlocked my cell-door, when Mr. Charnock wished to speak to me? A. Mr. Charnock was never at your cell-door at all—I do not recollect your asking to be let out to see Mr. Charnock; certainly not.

MR. PARRY. Q. Do you know whether either of the Stowells applied at any time to see Garnett? A. Oh, no—more than one, two, or three persons saw him while he was in my custody—I do not know from Garnett anything about how Mr. Charnock, jun., happened to appear for him.

COURT. Q. You say you had some brandy with the prisoner; who paid for it? A. I did—it was with my own money, I think; yes, it was—I do not think I had received it from anybody else—it was my own; it was not given to me; it was not handed to me by any one that I am aware of—I think I may say there was a quartern; it cost 6d—I was not repaid that 6d.; I went to that expense of my own accord—I am allowed to give the prisoners any reasonable refreshment—Inspector Barry did not come with Mr. Preston when he brought the message, but he came into my room afterwards.

HENRY BARRY . (police-inspector, A), I was present at the gaoler's room, in the Southwark police-court, with Downe and Mr. Preston, when a statement was made by Garnett—this is it—here is my signature—Mr. Preston took it down in writing, and I and Downe signed it—he was writing it as I passed from the Court to the police-station; it was half written as I passed through, and I stopped while it was finished—I heard it read over to Garnett—I signed it, and saw it signed by him—this paper (produced) was handed out to me by Garnett; I think it was for somebody standing outside at the station-door; I think it was Mr. Kennett—it was on the first night, and before the statement was made—I delivered it to Mr. Kennett—it was given to me before Garnett was examined at the police-court—(read:" I will speak the honest truth in the morning, don't fear me; do what is right to me, and I will do the same to you. I write this voluntarily. To Mr. Kennett.")

COURT. Q. How came Mr. Kennett to be there? A. He came in with the charge when Garnett was brought in; he had just been locked up—he asked for pen and ink, and wrote that—they all came together from the City station—after he was locked up, Kennett remained—he had got some people in private clothes, watching in case the Stowells should come.

Garnett. Q. How many times did you visit me during the first night I was locked up? A. Twice, I think; I believe only twice—you asked for the paper during the night—I came to you, and told you Mr. Kennett wanted to speak to you, but I could not allow him to do so—you then asked me if I would oblige you with some paper, and a pen and ink; which I did, and you wrote the paper, and I gave it to Kennett—I did not say, "Have you any objection to give a guarantee to Kennett?"—I brought the paper and pen in—you asked me to do so—you did not say you were so nervous you could not write—I did not ask you to commit that to paper—I did not say,"I know very well what the Stowells are, they are only trying to get hold of you"—I did not get you to write that, or fetch you 6d-worth or 9d.-worth of brandy, and some coffee—I did not bring you the brandy, and ask you if you would have a little refreshment—I brought you no brandy.

Cross-examined. Q. What did Kennett say to you when ha came to the cell? A. He did not come to the cell; he came to the station door—I took out the written communication at the prisoner's request—I did not know that Kennett was the prosecutor.

Q. Am I to understand you took a message in to a prisoner from a person you knew nothing of? A. Kennett asked if he could see the prisoner; I said, "No," and Garnett wished to see him, and asked for some paper and ink, and wrote this paper, and I gave it to Kennett—it is not a general rule to do that.

MR. PARRY. Q. On the solemn oath you have taken, is there a word of truth in the suggestion the prisoner has made? A. Not as to my bringing him brandy or coffee, or asking him to write the paper—I am an inspector of police, and have been in the force ten years.

COURT. Q. Do I understand Garnett was twice before the Magistrate? A. I believe he was; I was not there—I saw him twice, the day he was locked up, and the day of the remand—the first time was the first night he was brought in—I cannot say whether that was in Dec.—the paper was written on the second occasion—I was there twice when Garnett came—I do not know what day he first came in—there are two inspectors on duty, one inside and one out—I was one, but I was not on duty inside—I did not take the charge—I knew the charge, because one of the sergeants told me Garnett was taken—there had been some bills printed—this statement was taken in the gaoler's room, not on the night he was brought in, but on the day of the remand—I do not know the date, but I think it was the next morning after he had been remanded—coming from the police-court to the station, we have to pass through the gaoler's room—I was coming from hearing the night charges, and Mr. Preston was taking this down—I came straight from the court—I did not hear the Magistrate give the order, but I understood from the gaoler that the Magistrate had been asked about, it, and gave his consent—I heard it read out, and heard that it was a confession—I was there again when he was there. I think it was a week afterwards—he was remanded for a week—this statement was produced before the Magistrate, and Mr. A'Beckett would not receive it as evidence; I do not know why—it was produced before him—I think Mr. Preston, the solicitor, produced it—I believe it was given, back to him—I was not there when the depositions were taken.

Prisoner Garnett to RICHARD GALLAHER. Q. Would not Sir Augustus have overheard the conversation between you and I when he was walking by the side of you? A. I cannot say; he was not exactly walking by my side; he was about a yard and three quarters off.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Did you go to the cell where Garnett was? A. I passed by the cell; I did not go into it—I passed by where it was, because that was the way out—I did not speak to him while he was in the cell—I did not tell him Mr. Preston and Mr. Kennett would stand his friends; nothing of the kind—I said nothing about them at any time—neither of them had spoken to me about the matter.

Garnett. Q. Did you know anything of Mr. Kennett before? A. No, I have been in the police getting on for four years—it is a falsehood to say that I said Mr. Preston and Mr. Kennett would stick to you—I told you your pocket-book, with the memorandums in it, would be left in the station-house—you were then in the cell—it was as I was passing along

COURT. Q. Then you did speak to him in the cell? A. That was afterwards; as I was passing out—I was mistaken in saying I never spoke to him in the cell.

SIR AUGUSTUS WILLIAM HILARY . I am a baronet, and reside at 66, Cadogan place.

Garnett. Q. When you gave me into custody, how close did you walk to me and the policeman? A. I was close to the policeman; I overheard the conversation—I sent the policeman after you; be made signs to me to come on; I came up to him—he put his hand on your shoulder and said, "I think I want you"—I said, "That is George Howson Garnett; there is a true bill against him at the Old Bailey"—you said, "My name is George William Garnett; I am guilty; distress and poverty has driven me to it; and it is through the Stowells,"

Garnett. I deny Sir Augustus's statement.

(Upon MR. BALLANTINE rising to cross-examine the witness, MR. PARRY objected, that as MR. BALLANTINE stood first, he ought, if he cross-examined at all, to have done so before the cross-examination by Garnett; instead of which he had declined doing so, and that the witness had said nothing affecting MR. BALLANTINE'S clients. See Reg, v. Barber, The COURT did not think MR. BALLANTINE'S cross-examination could be excluded.)

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE, Q. Did you not mention that there was a reward offered? A. Yes; I have not been in Court during the whole of the examination; I did not go out towards the end; I came in late—I heard the policeman examined—I am no connection of Keanett's—I am Mr. Preston's uncle—I was in the habit of going to him on private business of my own, and I heard the case of Kennett and saw him there—I knew Garnett by sight, but I never spoke to him; hearing that there was a reward I gave him into custody—I met him first in Broad-street—Mr. Preston's office is 28, New Broad-street—I did not expect to meet Garnett that day, it was mere accident—I had often seen him in Mr. Newton's garden, in the Regent's-park; he is a private gentleman; and when I have been sitting in his dining room, I have seen garnett walking about the garden; that was in Aug. or Sept.—I was on friendly terms with Mr. Newton—I am a baronet, and live on my means—I do not live on bill discounting; I do sometimes discount a bill—Mr. Newton is not a person with whom I discount—I have not discounted for him, or obtained discounts for him; he is not a bill discounter; I daresay he may discount bills at times—Mr. Preston has had a bill discounted by me—I cannot say exactly how many matters of bill discounting we have had together, perhaps five or six—I should not say it was double that number; it is very difficult without a book to swear—I have never discounted any bills for Kennett; I never did any business for or with him—I never saw Miss Maslin; I have not done business on her behalf—I walked by the policeman—I went to the police-office because the policeman said he would not take him in charge unless I went down—I am here to see my nephew on private family business; I was here yesterday for the same purpose—I was not here last Session, except at the door of the Court, to speak to my nephew.

MR. PARRY. Q. Your nephew acts as attorney for you in various matters? A. Yes; I did not expect to be called as a witness, most decidedly not.

COURT. Q. Where did you first see the prisoner? A. In Broad street; I had been to Mr. Preston's office, and I got as far as Prescott and Greta's bank, and Mr. Clark, the gentleman I was walking with, pinched my arm—I looked round, and he said, "Do you see Garnett?"—I looked, and did not see him, he had gone up some passage—I went round the corner, and did not see anything of him—I was returning down Broad-street and saw him; I let him pass me, saw a policeman, and followed him—I was returning to Mr. Preston's

office—I had been to Prescot and Grote's bank—I knew him by seeing him walk about Mr. Newton's grounds, and hearing who he was.

MR. PARRY. Q. Are you not proprietor of large gas-works at Newport, Isle of Wight? A. Yes, and the bills were discounted for that purpose; I have lived in Cadogan-place eight or nine years, and my wife's family for a great many years.

ALFRED HENRY WARDLE . I am one of the clerks acting in this Court. I took in plea of Garnett on an indictment for perjury—I read over the indictment to him, I believe—I do not think I read the assignments of perjury to him or any of them—my usual mode, in a charge of perjury, is to say, "You are charged with wilful and corrupt perjury, committed by you at such a place, before so-and-so"—I called his attention so far to the contents of that indictment, and he pleaded guilty.

WILLIAM RICHARD PRESTON . I am an attorney, of New Broad-street, I have been admitted about eight months—I have been attorney for Mr. Kennett throughout this case, and have conducted the prosecution for him—I conducted the action in the County Court on his behalf—I remember a summons being taken out against Garnett, along with the other parties here; it was the day after the verdict in the County Court; it was taken out by Mr. Kennett's instructions—Garnett did not appear—I was out for three or four evenings to find him—I went to the address he mentioned, in Thomas-street, Oxford-street, four or five times, but was not able to find him—a reward of 10l. was offered for his apprehension, and bills were sent to nearly every police office in London—a bill was posted in my office; my uncle, the last witness, had an opportunity of seeing it, and I told him of it—I remember Garnett's apprehension—I was attending a meeting of creditors in Cornhill, and was sent for; I went to the station in Bow-lane—I went in company with Mr. Kennett and the policeman to the police court in the Borough—I was requested to go to identify him, Mr. Kennett not being present when he gave his evidence in the County Court, he could not identify him, and I went—during the journey, Mr. Kennett asked Garnett if he had ever seen him before—Garnett said, "No"—Kennett asked him if he had ever been with Stowell, engaged in transactions with brothel-house keepers—he said, "Yes," and he had gone in the name of George Gardner, in an indictment against Lewis; but he could not recollect the names he had gone in against the others; but he thought it was Gardner—this was between five and six in the evening—he was given into custody at the police-station in the Borough—I first saw this piece of paper when Mr. Kennett brought it over to me, or gave it to me at the police court, when he came over there—I saw it before the examination of Garnett.

Q. Prior to Garnett's apprehension you offered a reward for him, and prior to his apprehension had you had any communication directly or indirectly with him? A. No; I had not the slightest idea he was apprehended till I was sent for to the meeting of creditors where I was engaged—I got this paper on the morning of the examination—soon after, or almost directly after, Garnett came before the Magistrate he said, "I am guilty, and I throw myself on the mercy of the Court," or words to that effect—I had never seen him before, and knew nothing at all about him—the Stowells were both there on the examination—that was the first examination when Garnett was examined—I will not be certain whether it was the first examination; I am nearly certain it was the second—Thomas Stowell stood in front, and John Stowell behind—I am certain now that it was the second, because it was when Mr. Prendergast appeared—this statement (looking at it) is in my handwriting—that was on the day of the first examination—I made an

application to Mr. A'Beckett, the Magistrate; I asked him if he would object to my taking Gamett's confession—he had said he was guilty, and he would confess it all, and I applied to Mr. A'Beckett—he said, "You may take it on your own responsibility, and if you take it it must be taken in the presence of some superintendent of police"—I communicated all those facts to you (Mr. Parry) and it was under your advice that I took it—you told me that if it was taken, before the inspector, and no hopes were held out to the prisoner, that I decidedly bad better take the evidence—you told me distinctly to caution him that whatever he said would he used against him as evidence—it was never suggested in any way at that time to call Garnett as a witness—you also advised that whatever statement was taken should be taken in the presence of an inspector of police, or a responsible person—upon that I took the statement—it was voluntarily made by him—it was read over to him—he signed it, and said it was all true—I had held out no hopes to him whatever—he said he could not give me a long statement of how he became connected with the Stowells, but when he was committed to prison he would write me another statement, and I should have that—I remember calling and seeing Garnett in Newgate—I went to the Governor and told him I was the solicitor for the prosecution, and he had pleaded guilty, and asked him if he would send somebody with me to see Garnett—one of the officers stood close by—I do not know whether Garnett could see him, but the officer could hear everything that took place—I did not read over to Garnett all the statement of his evidence—I do not doubt that the persons I requested to be with me, could hear, they stood as close to me as that gentleman is (pointing to some one in Court)—since these indictments have been preferred, Thomas Stowell has absconded; ever since 2nd Feb—after the warrant was granted for his apprehension, the indictments were removed to the Queen's Bench, and the bail was so bad that they granted a procedeado, so as to have a speedy trial in this Court, and from that period we could not apprehend him—I know the names of the bail, one was Boucher—since these indictments have been preferred I have seen John Stowell at my office; it was just after last Session; no, the Session before last—at that time his brother Thomas was out of the way—I did not send for him to my office; I was over at the County Court one day, and Mr. Davis, who was the attorney for the defendants, came to me and said something—Stowell asked me whether this thing could not be compromised; I told him Mr. Kennett had no vindictive feelings against him, and if he could prove it was a mistake we would not continue the prosecution—he told me it was a mistake, and that he had been suspended from the Inland Revenue Office—I told him I did not mind writing a letter to the Inland Revenue Office, with any explanation he could give; upon that I believe they instructed Mr. Ballantine to see you on the subject, and to compromise the matter—it was not with the intention of anybody compromising it unless it was proved to be a mistake—I did not see John Stowell on any other occasion, but on that occasion he offered to give me up the I O U's, and to pay the expenses of the prosecution—I do not know whether he mentioned any sum, or whether Mr. Davis did—Mr. W. B. Davis, was his attorney at the time—I know that from John Stowell—he acted as his attorney up to two or three weeks ago—I saw him here attending to this matter the Session before last, but not this Session—Thomas Stowell was a clerk to Mr. Davis—I have proceeded with these indictments.

Cross-examined. Q. You have been sitting in Court, and heard all the evidence given in the course of the case? A. Yes; I was also in Court yesterday, saw the book produced, and heard the case tried to the end—

I heard the summing up of the learned Judge, and the verdict of Not Guilty of the Jury—I have not been in communication with Mr. Parry as to what evidence I could give; I told him what I was able to state—I told him that last Session—I was going to have been examined last Session if it was necessary—I left it to Mr. Parry to say whether he called me or not—I have told Mr. Parry to say exactly what my evidence was—I should think I have known Kennett about eighteen months—John Stowell has been to me to offer me to compromise—I did not dine with him, I had some dinner in the same room as he had last Session, and at the same table—I never told him that if I had been concerned for him I would have got him his money long ago; never in my life that I am aware of; never to the best of my recollection.

Q. I am speaking of a thing which if it occurred at all, occurred within the last five or six weeks; will you pledge your oath you did not say so? A. I have no doubt whatever if I had said such a thing I should have remembered it, and I have not the slightest knowledge of saying anything of the kind—I positively swear I did not say it—I did not share the dinner with Stowell—they were in a room up stairs—I went and had a little bit of dinner, and I paid for my own dinner—I paid for the wine, Stowell did not drink any of it—I have known Kennett eighteen months or two years, he gave a piece of paper to Broome—I was in custody at that time, I do not mind stating that I gave a bill—I was in custody on a charge of bill stealing, there was no prosecution at all—Broome was the person who charged me.

Q. After he had received the piece of paper he let you off? A. He did not let me off, for he swindled me; but the charge was withdrawn by Mr. Roberts, who apologized to me—that was after the piece of paper was given by Kennett to Broome—I have paid 70l. on that piece of paper—the bills I was charged with stealing amounted to 75l.—I did not call on John Stowell at any time, or send any card to him, or call on anybody on his behalf, or leave any message—I do not know of any dinners being sent to Garnett while he was in gaol—I believe that none were ever sent to him—I sent no clothes in to him, nor do I believe any were sent—I sent none to him in Newgate.

MR. PARRY. Q. Directly or indirectly have you contributed to that man's support, or done anything to induce him to believe you were supporting him? A. Nothing whatever; Mr. Broome is the prize fighter of the Haymarket—he came to the office where I was articled, and asked me if I could get him the money—he came on Saturday morning and said he wanted the money very particularly, and if I would go with him he could get it—I went with him to Mr. Jones, of the Paragon, and he said be would do it on Monday—Broome was stopping outside with his horse and gig, and I had given Mr. Jones a check for 40l. that morning—Broome wanted the money very badly, and I gave him the check which I had got back again, and on the Monday afternoon I handed him a check for the balance—I refused to give up the bill till he paid the money, and he gave me in charge for stealing the bill—I was defrauded to the amount of 75l., and I was afterwards told how they divided the money, and I have got a letter from one of the party who defrauded me, giving me the history of it.

COURT. Q. Did you communicate to Mr. A. Becket the statement you heard taken? A. I think it was read in evidence on the second examination; Mr. Downe the gaoler was called to prove it, and I think he read it—it was with the depositions for a very long while, until last Session—the gentleman from the police office will explain it, he was here yesterday—I received it last

Session from the chief clerk at the police court—I do not know whether Mr. Edwin gave it to me or the other clerk.

Garnett. Q. Who paid for my eatables and drinkables when I was at Southwark? A. I should imagine you paid for them yourself, I saw them take 1s. 8d. from you, when they searched you, and they gave it you back—I do not know who paid for your breakfast, dinner, and tea, for eight days; I only know I did not, directly or indirectly.

Q. When you asked me if I wanted anything, and I said I wanted a pair of stockings, and a clean shirt, you sent it to me? A. I never did; I do not know who paid for your victuals from 28th Jan. to 4th Feb.—I visited you in this prison; I have stated exactly what passed—I never heard you ask me to send you in two pairs of socks; I never contributed a penny, or sent you anything, or let you have a farthing of money, or paid for any single thing for you—I do not know who sent you the last two shirts and a pair of new drawers—I never contributed anything towards them, and I do not know who did—I never told you to write to any body—I never sent anybody to you to tell you to plead Guilty; I do not know Hawse.

MR. PARRY. Q. Is there one word of truth in the suggestions this man has made about your sending in these things? A. Not at all; I have never contributed a farthing to anything—I know of my own knowledge that one person went to see him.

Garnett. Q. Which prison did the party come to see me in? A. It was not in the prison, it was at the Southwark police-station; on the evening you were apprehended, a gentleman named Bevitt came—I think he came from Mr. Charnock.

MR. EDWIN. I am chief clerk of Southwark police court. There were no depositions taken by me in this case—these depositions are in the writing of the second clerk; that indicates that he took them—he is not here.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you here last session? A. Yea; I was in a room in the neighbourhood in which John Stowell was—I saw Mr. Preston come in, he did not join Stowell more than he did me—we had a rump steak, and a bottle of port wine—I do not think he spoke to Mr. Stowell so much as to Mr. Bussell, who was there.

COURT. Q. Did you have the steak and port wine together; did you all drink out of the same bottle? A. Yes; I drank my wine, no doubt.




Judgment Respited.

Before Russell Gurney, Esq.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-455
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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455. WILLIAM WEAR PARTRIDGE and ELIZABETH DAVEY . feloniously forging and uttering a promissory note for payment of 6l., with intent to defraud.

MR. BRIARLY conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM TOGHILL . I am a plate worker, of Swan-yard. In Oct. 1850, I lived in Church-street, near my workshop—Davey was a neighbour of mine seven or eight years, I know her perfectly well—I knew Partridge by name, but had no acquaintance with him—I believe Davey is married, a person lives with her as her husband—in Oct. 1850, she applied to me to know whether I would be security to the St. Martin's-lane Loan Society, for a son of hers, named William Wear, who was living in Poland-street, Oxford-street—I had known him some time, but not much—I believed him to be a respectable young man—I said I would consider of it—in a few days she applied to me

again, and I consented—the loan was to be 6l.; she said her son and her were going to have it between them—on 24th Oct. a clerk from the loan office brought me this promissory note (produced)—I signed it, this is my writing on it—the clerk took it away—mine was the first signature on it; I saw no one else sign it, and did not see it again—about March or April I heard that the payments were falling in arrear, and I complained to Mrs. Davey two or three times, and I mentioned it to her about five or six months ago; she said she would see the parties from the loan society, and endeavour to go on with the payments—I understood William Ware to be her son, and not the mala prisoner.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. You did not see Partridge in the transaction? A. No; I think rather more than half the money has been paid; I have not paid it—I have not been defrauded.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLEY. Q. Will you pledge yourself to the exact words she said to you eighteen months since? A. Not to repeat them.

JOHN HUTTON . I am secretary to the loan society at the Star and Garter, St. Martin's-lane. I received this application for a loan, I cannot tell who from; they are left at the bar of the public-house, and then we go round to the parties—I did not go anywhere in consequence of this—I was not present at the signature of Mr. Toghill to it—this paper is a security given to the borrower—I saw William Wear sign it in Oct.—the security had signed his name—the money was paid by the treasurer, in my presence, to the male prisoner.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. Did you see the money paid to him? A. Yes, and I said, "Sign your Christian and surname in full," I gave him a book, and told him to pay the money at 3s. a week—I believe our evenings were then from 6 to 9 o'clock—there were a great many people there—we have a very extensive trade, but we have a little door, and let persons in one by one—the party signs the note—the inspector asks him if he is the party, pays him the money, and I hand him the book—the money is not received from me, but from the treasurer; we are all three at one table—I have a reason for recollecting seeing him receive the money—3l. 8s. has been paid back—we charge 10 per cent, interest, less 2s. in the pound, for the money—I gave him 5l. 6s.—her Majesty takes 1s. 6d., and there is 6d. more for the booking—there are not other fees if the payments are kept up, every week—we charge a halfpenny in the 1s. For the first omission—in this instance I called on the female prisoner, and said, "If you will pay me 6d. a week I will take it; if not, you may depend it will come to another tribunal"—she never attended to that—I meant this tribunal, not the County Court—I cannot tell who paid the money weekly; it is a very hard thing, when there are sixty or seventy people coining in, and they come to a high desk, and pay through a little box, we cannot tell who pays; we know by the book—the person who brings the book has credit given in it—(note read: "Oct. 24, 1850. We jointly and severally promise to pay Obadiah Elmer or order on demand 6l., value received. W. Weare, 1, Lower Fore-street, Lambeth Church; W. Toghill, Swan-yard, Lambeth.")

WILLIAM WARE . I live at 27, Ridinghouse-lane—in Aug., 1850, I lived at 36, Poland-street—the female prisoner is my mother—I knew nothing of the male prisoner till Oct., 1850—this is not my signature to this promissory note; I gave no authority to my mother, or any one else, to put my name to it—I did not hear of it till long after it is dated—I received none of the

money raised on it—I first saw the male prisoner last June, nine months after the bill was drawn.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. Do you know if your mother has been in the habit of borrowing of loan societies? A. I know she did once, when she was in a little difficulty—she has not used my name that I know of—she never proposed to me that I should borrow of a loan society—I spell my name Ware—Partridge lived in a house belonging to my mother, in Swan-yard, Lambeth, and paid the rent to her or her husband—I do not know who lives at 1, Lower Fore-street, Lambeth Church.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLEY. Q. Are you the son of the female prisoner by a former husband? A. Yes; I should say that Partridge is no relative of my mother—I did not know him by sight as long ago as Oct., 1850—my mother has married again; her husband is living.

EDWARD DIXON (policeman). I took Partridge in Feb., and told him the charge—he said his name was William Weare, but said nothing about the note—I knew him four or five years in the neighbourhood by the name of Partridge, but not by any Christian name—I never heard of him by the name of Weare—I went to the female prisoner, and told her she must attend before the Magistrate—I did not tell her what it was for; I told her Partridge was in custody—she said all she had was 3l. of the money; she did not say of what money; she was in tears at the time—the Magistrate ordered her into custody.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. You knew him four years; where has he been living? A. In Fore-street, Lambeth, where I took him—he is a shoemaker—I took him on 25th Feb.—he had been living there a couple of months before I took him—I told him the charge—he said, "I know I have done wrong; I have committed no forgery; I signed my name William Weare, and that is my name; as for the money, I gave that to Mrs. Davey."

JOHN GEORGE PARKER . I am clerk to a wholesale bookseller and publisher. I have been secretary of this loan society six or seven years, but three months ago I resigned—Partridge was a member, and is so up to the present time—I was not present at his entering—he entered previous to my taking the secretary ship—he signed no document in my presence—when a person becomes a member he has to sign a book; that book is so Knocked about and torn that it is impossible to distinguish any names—I know this signature (looking at a paper)—it was signed by Mr. Partridge in my presence—it is a set of accounts, and these three names are the names of the auditors—it is merely the register of the names—these are the suras of money which each individual has paid—it is a leaf out of my register-book, which is signed at the expiration of every three months—there are auditors appointed to go through the accounts—during the time I was in office Partridge received sick relief—I destroyed the sick receipts two or three months ago; they were private property—I destroyed some of them since this case commenced—I was taken away from my business, and summoned to a police-court, and not examined, and I felt rather annoyed, and went home immediately, and destroyed all of them, that they should not call on me again—I had no business to keep them a minute—the prisoner drew his sick relief in the name of William Partridge—I knew him in that name in Oct., 1850; I did not know him by the name of William Weare.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. How long have you known him? A. Seven years—he has always borne a good character—he has applied to me for loans of money, and has always paid me—as far as I can recollect, he was living at the first house in Fore-street, in Oct. 1850—his name is still

on the books there—I left a notice there about two months ago—I think he was living there as far back as Oct. 1850, but previous to that he lived four doors lower down in the same street.

COURT to EDWARD DIXON. Q. You said he lived at 1, Fore-street, two months before his apprehension, where else did you know him live? A. At the corner of Swan-yard, in the beginning of 1850—he was a tenant of Mr. Davey's, and I knew him previous to that in William-street—I do not know where he was living in Oct. 850.



5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-456
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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456. WILLIAM WEARE PARTRIDGE and ELIZABETH DAVEY were again indicted for feloniously forging and uttering a promissory note for payment of 5l. 5s., with intent to defraud.

MR. BRIARLY conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM FREDERICK MARKWICK . I am secretary to the Waterloo Loan and Discount Company. About April I received an application for a loan on the part of a person named Weare—this is the application (produced)—I do not know who brought it—I know this note (produced)—I saw Mr. Toghill sign it, and a person named Weare—they both attended at the office—our trustees were present—the money was paid, in my presence, to a man of the name of Weare, by one of the trustees—I have no doubt Toghill was gone when it was paid—I have no doubt it was paid to Partridge.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. Can you tell me when the money was paid? A. 30th April—I had never seen the man before to my knowledge—I have some slight recollection of him, but I never knew his name—the party who makes the inquiries is not here.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLEY. Q. How many persons in a year make application at your office for loans? A. A great number.

WILLIAM TOGHILL . In April last Davey asked me whether I would be security a second time, with the assurance that there was only 1l. remaining on the first 6l., which it would enable her to pay, and her son was going to have a portion of it—I assented—this is my signature (looking at a promissory note)—I was to be security for her son—subsequently the payments fell in arrear, and I was summoned to pay the money at the County Court—I have had to pay 3l. out of the five guineas—I am not aware whether I am obliged to pay the remainder—I complained to Davey several times—she said she would see the parties, and endeavour to go on with the payments—I said unless it was attended to, it would be subject to the law, and I or the loan society would take proceedings—I signed this promissory note at the office in the Waterloo-road—Partridge was present—I was hurried, and I left him and other persons in the office—I did not see the money paid to him—I afterwards gave both prisoners in charge—no one was present at the time I signed it except the prisoner—I received no benefit from it.

EDWARD DIXON (policeman). I took Partridge—he said he knew he had done wrong, but he had committed no forgery; his name was William Weare, and he gave all the money to Mrs. Davey.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. You arrested him in Fore-street? A. Yes; that is near Church-street, only one door round the corner—one part of the house is not in Church-street—the last house in Church-street is No. 37, and then commences Lower Fore-Street, where he lives—30, Church-street, where Davey resides, is about fifty yards from Fore-street—Partridge is a shoemaker—I have known him living in more than two places in four years—(note read)—"London, 30th April, 1851. We jointly and severally

promise to pay on demand J. C. Wear 5s., for value received. W. Toghill, iron-plate worker, and William Wear, 31, Church-street, Lambeth Church, tailor.

GEORGE PARKER . I was secretary of a benefit society. I have always known Partridge by the name of William Partridge, never in any other name—that is the name he entered in, but he may have another—this "William Wear, 31, Church-street," resembles his writing, but I cannot swear to it—I believe it to be his.

WILLIAM WARE . This promissory note has not my signature—I gave nobody authority to sign it.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. Is that the way you spell your name? A. No.


PARTRIDGE— GUILTY . Confined Two Months.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-457
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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457. THOMAS BROWN , unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Twelve Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-458
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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458. WILLIAM NOLAN was indicted for a like offence: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 29.— Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-459
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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459. JOHN HARRINGTON . and DANIEL DRISCOLL . Were indicted for a like offence: to which

HARRINGTON pleaded GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined Twelve Months.

DRISCOLL pleaded GUILTY . Aged 28.— Confined Two Years.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-460
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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460. WILLIAM HAMILTON was indicted for a like offence: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-461
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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461. JOHN DOUGLAS was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. SCRIVEN and CLERK Conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS DAY . I Keep the Hop Pole beer-shop, in the Old Kent-road. On 29th March, the prisoner came, with another man, about eleven o'clock in the evening; they called for a pint of beer—the prisoner's companion paid me—they afterwards called for a pickwick cigar, and the prisoner's companion paid for that—the prisoner then called for one, and he paid for it with what I supposed was a half-crown—I threw it into the till—there Was no other half-crown there of any sort—I gave the prisoner 2 shillings, a 4s. piece, and I penny—he and, the other man remained in the house from five to ten minutes afterwards; and after they were gone, my wife went to the till, and told me I had taken a bad half-crown—she took it out, and showed it me—there was no other there—I had not taken another half-crown that evening—I went with Mr. Ward after the prisoner (Mr. Ward had come in just after the prisoner went out)—I overtook him just by the corner of Bermondsey New-road—we met a policeman, and he came back with him—my wife showed the policeman the half-crown—the prisoner made a violent snatch at it, and in the scuffle it fell; two half-crowns fell—when the prisoner entered with the policeman, my wife said to the prisoner, "I can wear you are the man who was in this house a fortnight before.

SUSAN DAY . I am wife of the last witness. On that Monday night I went to the till, and took a bad half crown out—I showed it to my husband—he went out with Mr. Ward after the prisoner—the prisoner was brought back, and I said, "I know you to be the person who was in my house a fort

night ago to-morrow, and passed a bad half crown"—he said, "Was it me?"—I said, "No, but a party that was with you"—I had the half crown in my right hand—the prisoner snatched at it—it was picked up by some one, I could not say who.

WILLIAM WARD . I am a boot and shoemaker. On 23rd March I was at the Hop Pole—I went with Mr. Day after the prisoner, and he was brought back—I saw the half crown in Mrs. Day's hand—the prisoner made a rush at it, and it fell, and a good half crown fell at the same time—I picked up the good one—I pulled off both the prisoner's boots, and I shook a bad half crown out of his left boot—I gave that and the good half crown to the policeman.

THOMAS DAY re-examined. I gave the half crown I picked up to the policeman.

PATRICK KINAHAN (policeman, A 507). I went to the Hop Pole on 23rd March—I received the good half crown at the station from Mr. Ward—I saw a bad half crown tumble out of the boot; this is it—I received this half crown from Mr. Merritt, and this other from Mrs. Day, which was passed to Mrs. Day on the 15th.

HENRY MERRICK (police-sergeant, 316). I received a half crown from Mr. Day, and gave it to Kinahan.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . I am inspector of coin to the Royal Mint. These last two half crowns are bad, and this one passed before is also bad.

GUILTY . Aged 23.— Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-462
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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462. SARAH JONES was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. SCRIVEN and CLERK conducted the Prosecution.

ELIZABETH BARNETT . The prisoner came to my shop on 21st Feb. for a halfpennyworth of hardbake—she gave me a sixpence—I gave her 5 1/2 d. in change—she went away—the sixpence was bad—I wrapped it up, put it in a ox, and locked it up in a drawer in case I should meet with the prisoner again—on 24th Feb. she came between 8 and 9 o'clock in the evening for a pennyworth of hardbake, and gave me another bad sixpence—I showed it to her and told her it was bad—I sent for a policeman, gave her into custody, and gave the two sixpences to the policeman.

Prisoner. On the first occasion I was not in the shop. Witness. She was.

JAMES THOMAS SYMONS (policeman, A 433). I took the prisoner on 24th Feb.—I received one sixpence on 24th that the prisoner passed that day, and on 25th I received this other sixpence.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These are both bad.

Prisoner's Defence. The time I went there I did not know the sixpence was bad; I had not been there before.

GUILTY . Aged 16.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury.— Confined Four Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-463
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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463. CAROLINE TAYLOR was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. SCRIVEN and CLERK conducted the Prosecution.

FANNY TURNER , Jun. My mother is a widow, she keeps a confectioner's shop in Cross-street, Newington. On 24th Feb. the prisoner came, between 4 and 5 o'clock in the afternoon, for half an ounce of hardbake—it came to a halfpenny—she gave me a 4d-piece—I saw it was counterfeit, and gave it to my mother—I had bent it before I gave it her—I saw my mother put it on the mantelpiece—on the same evening, between 9 and 10, my mother called me down stairs—I saw the prisoner in the shop, and my mother had a sixpence.

FANNY TURNER . I keep a confectioner's shop, in Cross-street, Newington. In the afternoon on 24th Feb. my daughter gave me a 4d.-piece—she bent it—I put it on the mantelpiece—on the same evening, between 8 and 9, the prisoner came for half an ounce of drops—she gave me a sixpence—I saw it was bad, but I gave her change, and she went out—I went after her and brought her back, and called my daughter down—she said she was the lame girl that came in the afternoon—I gave the 6d. and 4 d.-piece to the officers.

JOSEPH CLARKE (policeman, L 157). I was called to the house, and took the prisoner—I received this 6d. and 4d.-piece from Mrs. Turner.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These are both bad.

GUILTY . Aged 16.

Recommended to mercy by the Jury.— Confined Four Months.

Before Mr. Baron Martin.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-464
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464. WILLIAM PAYNE . stealing 44 printed books, value 2l.; the goods of Jane Cook.

MR. GIFFORD conducted the Prosecution.

JANE COOK . I am a widow, and keep the Two Brewers public-house, in Stoney-lane, South wark. About the middle of Nov. the prisoner called on me and said he wished to know if I should like to have the "Atlas" bound, as he came from Mr. Tallis, who was going to bind a quantity, and he should be able to do it cheap—I had seen the prisoner eighteen or twenty months before, he had brought books from Mr. Tallis: numbers of "Montgomery's illustrated Atlas," published by Mr. Tallis—he said they would be done in a fortnight, or three weeks at the farthest—I believed he came from Mr. Tallis, and I gave him the books—I would not have given them him if I had not believed he came from there—I gave him forty-four numbers—they were worth 44s.—I did not see the prisoner again till I saw him in the House of Detention with the officer.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. What was the interval between your seeing him with the officer and your giving him the books? A. About three months—I was examined at the Mansion-house—the gentleman behind you was there—I did not hear him state that the defence of the prisoner was that he was not the man—he said he was not the person—I had a female friend with me—I did not say at first the prisoner was not the man—I did not express doubts about it—I do not remember that my friend told me that if I expressed any doubt I should lose my books—I did not express a doubt about his being the man—I never had any doubt—I never made a mistake about a person's identity—I did not afterwards tell a gentleman that called on me that I did not recollect the person of the man—I never said that I did not recollect whether he mentioned Tallis's name or not—I am quite sure I did not—nobody called on me on the subject of this case—I never said to any gentleman that I was not sure that the prisoner was the person—nor that I was not sure that the person whoever he was, mentioned Tallis's name—I am quite sure no one came to me after the prisoner had been at the Mansion house—I saw no one but the officer, and the prisoner.

Prisoner. I do not recollect that my friend pulled me by the sleeve and told me to say nothing more to the man.

MR. GIFFORD. Q. How often had you seen the prisoner? A. I cannot tell how many times—I had seen him more than once.

SARAH ASH . I live with Mrs. Cook, at the Two Brewers—I was at Mrs. Cook's when the prisoner came about some numbers of the "Atlas"—he got the numbers—that was not the first time he had called—he called before, and saw me—I told him Mrs. Cook was not in the way, and he called again—I

had seen him before, and taken in numbers of him—I cannot say how long before, I think about twenty months back—I think he came the day before he took the numbers away, and I told him Mrs. Cook was not in the way—he called, I believe, next morning, and I told him if he stopped a short time he could see Mrs. Cook, which he did.

Cross-examined. Q. You live with Mrs. Cook, who keeps a public-house, are you a good deal engaged in the business? A. Yes; it is a well-accustomed house—there is plenty to do—I remember a person coming to Mrs. Cook's when I was present, after this inquiry had taken place before the Lord Mayor, to ask her some questions about it—it was a man—Mrs. Cook did not say in my hearing that she was not sure that the prisoner was the man—she did not say that she did not recollect whether the man, whoever he was that came for the books, mentioned the name of Tallis or not—I did not hear her say that whoever the man was that came for the books she was not sure whether he mentioned the name of Tallis or not—I do not recollect her saying that I pulled her by the sleeve and said, "Don't talk any more with him"—I might have said so—I cannot say that I recollect it—the man called at Mrs. Cook's between the first time I went to the Mansion-house and the second—I went out of the bar when he and Mrs. Cook were in conversation—I might have been near enough to have pulled Mrs. Cook by the sleeve—I might have pulled her by the sleeve, or I might not—I did not tell her if she did not know the man she would not get her books—I did not say anything about her not getting her books—I do not recollect saying anything about the books while the man was there.

Q. Is your memory so infirm that you may have pulled her by the sleeve and forgot it? A. Persons are in and out of a public house—I know that a person called about the books, and that is all I know about them—I might have pulled her by the sleeve, but I do not recollect it.

MR. GIFFORD. Q. A. Did you hear anything that that man said at all? A. I cannot say that I heard anything—I was serving in the bar—he said he wished to see Mrs. Cook.

THOMAS JAMES PARSONS . I am the superintendent of the canvassing department at Messrs. Tallis and Co.'s—the prisoner was in their employ somewhat better than twelve months—he was not in their employ last Nov.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you there when he was in their employ? A. I was canvassing when he was a deliverer—I was canvassing for customers.

GUILTY . Aged 26.— Confined Four Months.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-465
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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465. JOHN ROSE . unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. SCRIVEN and POLAND conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM DICKENSON , I am a butcher, of 5, Dover-place, Old Kent-road. On 14th Feb., about 11 o'clock in the evening, the prisoner came to my shop, and bought a shoulder of mutton, which came to 3s. 2 1/2 d.—he tendered a 5s.-piece to my sister, which she put in the till—I kept the money of the till in my possession till the Sunday morning, when I counted it, and discovered a bad 5s.-piece—it was the only one there, no one had served in the shop but me and my sister—I placed the 5s.-piece in a bowl by itself till 28th, when the prisoner came again—I recognised him immediately—he asked for a piece of mutton, I weighed it, it came to 1s.—he tendered half a crown to my sister—I took it from her immediately under pretence of getting it changed, went for a policeman, and gave the prisoner in

custody—I marked the crown and half crown, and gave then to the policeman—these are them (produced).

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. What time did the prisoner come for the shoulder of mutton? A. About 11 o'clock at night; I shut up about half past 12—I had been serving all day—I had served twenty-five or more people after 5—I saw the prisoner pay for the mutton, but did not see the money, only so far as to know it was a crown.

JENNETT BERTHA DICKENSON . I am last witness's sister, and live in his house, and serve in the shop—I saw the prisoner there on 14th Feb., about half past 11 o'clock at night—he had a shoulder of mutton, which came to 3s. 2 1/2 d.—he gave me a 5s.-piece which I put in the bowl with the rest of the money, but there was no other crown there—I had seen the prisoner at the shop before that, and have no doubt he is the man—I am certain I did not take any other crown that evening—he came again on the 28th, I knew him again—he purchased some mutton, which cams to 1s.—he tendered me half a crown, which I supposed to be bad—I passed it to my brother to get change, and he went out—he was gone about five minutes, and while he was gone the prisoner gave me a good shilling to pay for the mutton, and said he would see my brother and get the change—he did not go away, but stopped for his change—my brother came back with a constable, and gave the prisoner in charge—my brother put the. half

Cross-examined. Q. When had you seen him before the 14th? A. I cannot say the day; it was about one month or six weeks before, passing along the Kent-road, and he has been at our shop before, and bought beefsteak—ray brother was not there at the time—he wore a hat when he came—I have noticed him passing up and down the road—when my brother was gone for the change, the prisoner threw down a shilling, and said he would pay for the meat—I said, "Wait for your change," and told him he would not be long—the prisoner did not then say it was no consequence, he was not in a hurry—it was not more than five minutes before my brother came back.

THOMAS CANNON (policeman, P 282). I took the prisoner, by Mr. Dickenson's direction—he said he was not aware the half-crown was bad, and he had no more small change—I searched him, and found a half-crown, two shillings, and a 3d.-piece, good money, on him—I received this crown and half-crown from Mr. Dickenson.

Cross-examined. Q. Did he not say he was not aware he had any smaller change about him? A. Yes.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This crown and half-crown are both counterfeit.

GUILTY . Aged 27.— Confined Six Months.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-466
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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466. THOMAS COOLEY . stealing 1 plane, and other tools, value 3s. 1s.; the goods of John Mellish Key Hahn.

JOHN MELLISH KEY HAHN . I live at Wandsworth. These tools (produced) are mine—I swear to this chisel, it having been made by a person I know; and this plane I know by the paint marks and notches—I did not miss them till I was spoken to about them on 1st Feb.—I had last seen them safe aout two months before—they were kept in a loft over the stable.

Prisoner. You said at the police-court that you could almost swear to them. Witness. I cannot swear to some of them, but I can to these three.

JURY. Q. Was the loft locked? A. Yes; and there is a trap door, to which there it a ladder—it was padlocked, and the key was kept in the house

—I heard the door had been wrenched away some time before, but I did not think any one could get in.

THOMAS OATLEY (policeman, V 190). On Sunday evening, 1st Feb., about 7 o'clock, I saw the prisoner at Wandsworth, coming in a direction from Mr. Hahn's premises—when he saw me he crossed to the other side of the road, and stopped a minute—I went towards him, and he set off running as hard as he could, and I lost sight of him—I noticed he had something bulky in his pockets—I saw him in about five minutes after, standing against the Roman Catholic chapel door, with seven or eight other lads—I knew his person, and am certain he is the lad—I went, caught hold of him, and asked him what made him run back when he saw me—he said he never saw me, and he did not run back—I asked what he had got about him—he said, "Nothing"—I saw he had something, felt round his jacket, and in the inside pocket found this plane, three chisels, and a brad-awl—he said they were his—I took him to the station, he resisted all the way, and in the scuffle I lost one of the chisels.

Prisoner. After I was in custody, did you go to my mother, and ask her whether I had any tools, or whether she had any? No.

HENRY ELLIOTT . I am in Mr. Hahn's service. The tools were kept in the loft over the stable—the loft is kept locked, and the young ladies keep the key at the house; but there is a hole inside the stable, by which a person could get into the loft—on 2nd Feb. I found the stable-door ajar; the screws had been drawn out of it.


The prisoner was further charged with having been before convicted.

GEORGE MAYNARD (policeman, V 21). I produce a certificate of previous conviction—(read—Thomas Cooley, Convicted March, 1860, at the Central Criminal Court, of breaking and entering a dwelling-house—Confined Eighteen Months)—I was present—the prisoner is the man.

GUILTY.*†Aged 20.— Transported for Seven Years.

5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-467
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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5th April 1852
Reference Numbert18520405-468
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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468. JOSEPH FOWLER . and SAMUEL JAMES WHITE . and MARY WHITE . unlawfully having in their possession counterfeit coin, with intent to utter it.

MESSRS. SCRIVEN and POLAND conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES HAYWARD (policeman, G 212). On 10th March, I went to 25, Martin-street, Blackfriars, to endeavour to apprehend Fowler. Neale, another officer, knocked at the door—it was opened by Fowler—I told him I wanted to take him into custody (it was on another charge)—there are only two rooms in the house, one on the ground-floor and one above—I sent the other officers up-stairs—I followed with Fowler, and when I got up, I found the other two prisoners there, and a boy in bed—the female requested to be allowed to go down stairs, as she was taken very ill, and wanted to go to the closet—I said I could not allow any person to leave the room—I thought she was endeavouring to conceal something, I told Evans to see what she had in her hand, and something fell from her, containing a quantity of base coin, which Evans picked up—she had got out of bed, and it fell from under her clothes, where she held her hand—the man White was putting his jacket on the bed; some copper money fell, and he said, "Do not meddle with that; that is good money; you have got enough bad"—Fowler asked to be allowed to put his coat on, and it was picked up off

a chair in that room; and he also asked the boy to give him his cap; and the boy picked that up in the room—I told Fowler what I wanted him for, and he said, "Oh, no; I know better than that;" and the woman said that he was there all the last night—at the station I told Fowler the other charge, and he said, "That is right enough"—the down stairs room was dirty and filthy, apparently not occupied by any one, there was no furniture—it was about eight o'clo