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33, Southampton-street, Strand.







On the Queen's Commission of the Peace,



The City of London,





Held on Monday, October 29th, 1849, and following Days.

Before the Right Hon. Sir JAMES DUKE , Knt., M.P., LORD MAYOR of the City of London: Sir Frederick Pollock Knt., Lord Chief Baron of Her Majesty's Court of Exchequer; Sir William Henry Maule, Knt., and Sir Cresswell Cresswell, Knt., two of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Common Pleas: Sir Peter Laurie, Knt.; Charles Farebrother, Esq.; William Taylor Copeland, Esq., M.P.; Sir Chapman Marshall, Knt.; Sir William Magnay, Bart.; Michael Gibbs, Esq.; and John Kinnersley Hooper, Esq.; Aldermen of the said City: the Hon. Charles Ewan Law, M.P., Recorder of the said City: Thomas Farncomb, Esq.; John Musgrove, Esq.; William Hunter, Esq.; Thomas Challis, Esq.; Thomas Sidney, Esq., M.P.; Francis Graham Moon, Esq.; Thomas Quested Finnis, Esq.; and Robert Walter Carden, Esq.; Aldermen of the said City: John Mirehouse, Esq., Common-Serjeant of the said City; and Edward Bullock, Esq., Judge of the Sheriffs' Court: Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer and Gaol Delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.

WILLIAM LAWRENCE , Esq., Ald. Sheriffs.






First Jury

Henry Tibby

Chas. Lawrence Williamson

Charles Talbot

James Fortescue Williams

Lewis Solomons

James Ryach

Edwin Traill

Robert Thomas

Ephraim Salter

Joseph Dean

Wingfield Ashton Turner

Thomas Chinnery

Second Jury.

William Webster

Robert Temple

Francis Venning

Charles Chidsoy

John Varney

Isaac Wood

Charles Reeves

George Williams

Henry Taylor

John Vohman

John Wood

Peter Turner

Third Jury,

Emanuel Christian Staril

John Young

John Marns

David Watts

Joseph Williams

James Trower

Henry Watson

William Timms

Horace Tabram

Edward Coldery

John Warley

Charles Henry Smith

Fourth Jury.

Frederick Wells Strugwell

John Thorpe

John Swaine

Richard Wilding

Thomas Turnbull

Henry Tuckey

William Webster

Robert Temple

William Willan

Robert Sandby

James Cox

William Henry Crockford

Fifth Jury.

Edwin Joseph Wheatley

William Shepherd

Thomas Bentham

William Wale

William Wright

Robert Plumpton

Thomas Tollman

Abney Wormley

Spencer William Tyler

Thomas Knight

Jacob Tingeman

Samuel Taylor

Sixth Jury.

James Young

Charles Rudkin

Alexander Dargaville

William Windsor

William Wrichenbach

William Stables

James Webster

John Wotton

William Charles Woodley

Alfred Dean

Charles Crossley

Thomas James Extead

Seventh Jury.

William Whitelaw

John Brown

Harry Wood

John Vaugher

William Sanderson

John Tuckey

Thomas Bonsor

William French

Matthew Crawford

Samuel Winfield

Thomas Shandille

John Maraes



A star (*) denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody Two stars (**) that they have been more than once in custody—An obelisk (†) that they are known to be the associates of bad characters.


OLD COURT.—Monday, October 22nd, 1848.

PRESENT—The Right Hon. the LORD MAYOR; Mr. Ald. GIBBS; Sir WILLIAM MAGNAT, Bart., Ald.; Mr. RECORDER; Mr. Ald. MUSGROVE; Mr. Ald. SIDNEY; and Mr. Ald. FINNIS.

Before Mr. Recorder and the First Jury.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1847
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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NEW COURT.—Monday, October 22nd 1849.



Before Edward Bullock, Esq., and the Fifth Jury.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1848
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation; Guilty > unknown

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1848. ANN SAUNDERS and MARY ANN BROWN , stealing 2 shawls and 4 mantles, value 11l. 4s.; the goods of James Shoolbred and others, in their dwelling-house.

MESSRS. BALLANTINE and COCKLE conducted the Prosecution.

JANE JOHNSTON . I am in the service of Messrs. Shoolbred and others, of Tottenham-court-road. On 18th Sept. I saw the prisoners there, about four o'clock—they came for a bonnet, on which a shilling had been left—they paid me 1s. 6d., and I did not attend to them any more.

CHARLES BATES . I am in the service of Mr. James Shoolbred and others. I saw the prisoners coming oat of the bonnet-room, about four o'clock, on 18th Sept.—they walked down the shop, towards the door—I saw the fringe of a shawl hanging beneath Brown's mantle—I followed them to a public-house, with Mr. Jenkins—I perceived Saunders's mantle stand out as if she had something under it—Mr. Jenkins said something to her; I could not hear what—she said she had bought the goods, and paid for them elsewhere—I saw a shawl produced from Saunders, which had our private mark on it—I believe it was under her arm—I went for an officer.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. YOU said Brown had a mantle on? A. Yes—I believe Saunders had the same shawl on that she has on now-saw a shawl under her own shawl, in the public-house—it was under Brown's. mantle that I saw a shawl, as she came down the shop.

JAMES JENKINS . I am one of the partners in the firm of Messrs. Shool-bred. From what Bates said 1 followed the prisoners into the public-house—I saw part of the fringe of a shawl hanging beneath Saunders's shawl—she said she had bought and paid for it—I took hold of it, and said, "This is ours"—Brown made some sort of a move to get away, and I picked up these four mantles and a shawl from behind her—they are all ours, and have our private marks on them—they are worth about 11l. 4s., or 11l. 8s.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. Did Brown appear to have been drinking? A. I cannot say; I did not observe whether they were intoxicated.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. Did not one of them jump out of the window? A, I believe she did—they appeared to me to know what they were about.

GEORGE CURTIS (policeman, S 261). I took the prisoners—I did not notice anything like drink about either of them.

(The prisoners received good characters.)

SAUNDERS— GUILTY . Aged 29. Recommended to mercy by the Jury BROWN— GUILTY . Aged 21. — Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1849
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1849. JAMES SOMERS , stealing 148 sovereigns and 26 half-sovereigns; the moneys of Richard James, in his dwelling-house.

MESSRS. PRENDERGAST and NAGLE conducted the Prosecution. RICHARD JAMES. I am a cheesemonger, and live in Victoria-road, Pimlico; it is my dwelling-house, and is in the parish of St. George, Hanover-square. I have known the prisoner five or six years; he was in my employ about three years ago—he has since then visited at my house—I knew him to be in difficulties, and have lent him money, and he borrowed money for his mother—I recollect his calling at my house on Thursday, 16th Aug., I was then counting my money in my back parlour—he came into the parlour to me, and asked what I was going to do with that gold—there were 363 sovereigns, and I had 18l. 17s. in my cash-box—I told him that would be sufficient to buy 400l. in the Consols, which I was going to do, as I did not want it in the business—he asked me to take a glass of ale with him—I put the money into the cash-box, which I locked up in the cupboard in my parlour—I put the key of the cupboard into my pocket, and went to the public-house—I looked at a newspaper to see what Consols were—he said they were very high, and he would not advise me to buy in, as they would be lower—I parted with him then, and returned to my own house—I took the cash-box out of the parlour cupboard, and went up to my bedroom with it—I had a small bag, which just contained 200 sovereigns—I counted 200 sovereigns, and put them into that bag, in a corner—I then put the other money, 160 sovereigns, on shelves in the corner of the cupboard, in piles of twenty sovereigns each—I saw the prisoner again on 17th Aug., about ten o'clock in the morning—he came, and said he would finish the kitchen (he had given it one coat of paint, and whitewashed the ceiling, about six weeks before, and I had applied to him to finish it—he had promised to do it, but did not); he walked through the shop into the hall—it was a voluntary act of

his to do it—when he had been there a little time, I went down to see bow the work was going on, and he was not there—I went to the water-closet, and he was not there—I went into the shop, and asked my young men what had become of Somers—they said they did not know—in about ten minutes he returned through the shop again—this was about half-past ten o'clock—he came again about six, or half-past six—he passed through the shop, and said, I will go and finish the kitchen"—he did not return through the shop—I had been all the afternoon busy in the shop, I was not away from it—when the money was in my cash-box, I was in the habit of taking it up-stairs at night and locking it up, bringing it down in the morning, and putting it into the cupboard in my back parlour; but when I had taken these sovereigns out, I left the cash-box down stairs, except on Saturday night—on 20th Aug. a traveller called for an account—I went up to my cash-box, and found two loose sovereigns on it—I put them into the cash-box, and brought it down—I had had 18l. 17s. in it before—I did not know where these two sovereigns came from—I meant to count the money, but did not—on the following Saturday I took up my cash-box, and on Monday, the 27th, I missed my cash, 163 sovereigns—I saw the prisoner in the afternoon of that day—I told him I had had a slice of luck that day, that I had lost 163 sovereigns—he asked me to come out, and we went to a public-house together—I there told him what I had lost, and he asked me how it was—I said that only he and my two shopmen knew that I had the money—he said, "Well, I should advise you to say nothing about it; it may go forth to your tradespeople's ears, and they will be afraid to send you in goods; and you cannot swear to the money if you were to find it anywhere, as it is all gold"—I told him I was quite independent of any tradesmen—he then said perhaps my lodger might think I suspected her, and she would leave, and that would soon amount to more than that sum out of my pocket—he then asked to go and look at the lock on the cupboard—we went up-stairs, and he pointed out to me some marks, where he thought the lock had been forced back—I was not aware that he had any money in his possession at that time—I continued to go about with him—I met him on 31st Aug.—we went into a public-house, and called for a pint of ale, and he pulled out of his pocket two sovereigns—he cast his eye on me to see whether I saw it, and when he saw I did, he said, "I have just received 2l. 5s. for some meat, of Miss Webb, at Davis's coffee-shop"—on 6th Sept. the prisoner called on me, about ten or eleven o'clock, and I asked him for a sovereign that he had promised to give me on the previous Monday—he said, "I cannot give you a sovereign, I will give you half a sovereign in half an hour"—he returned in half an hour, and tendered me a half-sovereign—on receiving it, I identified it as part of the money I had lost—when 1 was counting the money I saw that it was very dull, and I bit it with my teeth, and broke my tooth in biting it—I bit in more than one place, and I particularly remarked the marks I made on it—the half-sovereign the prisoner gave me was the identical half-sovereign that I had marked; I have no doubt in my mind on the subject—I did not make any remark to the prisoner, but I gave the half-sovereign to the policeman the next day—this is it (produced)—I marked it exactly opposite the letter D, and I observed there was some dirt on the next letter—I have no doubt that this is my half-sovereign—I bit this piece out.

JURY. Q. Here is a nick here, did you make that? A, Yes, on the letter D.—it was much duller when I bit it than it is now. MR. NAGLE. Q. Have you two shopmen? A, Yes—one has been with

me two years and a half, and the other six months—they are still in my. employ—they sleep in the same room with me—they knew I had the money but they did not know where I kept it: I never told them—they do not have their meals in that bedroom—they leave the room every morning before me, and do not return till they go to bed at night—I always kept the cup. board locked, and kept the key—when I brought the cash-box down, I put the key of the cupboard in the cash-box, and locked the cash-box in the parlour cupboard, and kept the key of the cupboard in my pocket—the prisoner knew where I kept my money—I have a private door to my housewe have no right to go out by that door in the daytime, it is left to the lodger and the lodger's visitors—the prisoner knew that that was the rule—I never went out of that door myself—the prisoner still owes me money—I have received 305. out of 6l. 10s. that I lent him—I had lent him 30s. two days before the robbery—I lent him this money for his mother—I never knew the prisoner to go out of the private door—he had no right at all to go up-stains since he left my premises.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Did you notice that there was a piece out of the rim of this half-sovereign? A. I did, when I bit it—I do not know whether it was bitten out, but I bit it—here is a piece out of the rim—that is the identical mark I go by—that is the mark I made—the prisoner was in difficulties—I lent him money two or three times a week—he owes me now 30s. on his own account—I have lent him perhaps 20l. or 30l. altogether, and he has paid me back again—I never had occasion to borrow myself—I may have borrowed one or two shillings—I know the prisoner's mother, she keeps a shop; the prisoner serves in that shop, it is not so far as a quarter of a mile from me—the prisoner is not a painter by trade—I have seen him constantly, and was on intimate terms with him—I forget what the funds were at that time: they might be 93 and some eighths, they were above 90—it was on the 16th August that I had the conversation with the prisoner about them—that was the day before I lost my money—I did not miss it for a week or ten days afterwards—I saw the prisoner on the 17th, I about ten o'clock in the morning, I did not go anywhere with him—I know George Cowderoy—I did not see him on the 17th, to my knowledge, or on the 18th—I went with him and the prisoner to Battersea, but not then—it was a month ago—it was not in August at all—it is from two to three months ago—we went about three in the afternoon, and returned a little after six—I slept at home that night, and did not go out again—I will swear it was not on the 17th August that I went to Battersea—it was not less than a month or six weeks before that—I do not know that I saw Cowderoy on the morning after I had been with him to Battersea—I did not tell him I had been to the Standard Coffee-room, and picked up a girl there—I had not been playing at skittles with Cowderoy at Battersea, I had played with the prisoner—I went out in the morning of the 17th August—I returned in about half-an-hour—at that time, as far as I know, my money was in the cupboard up-stairs, except what I had in my business—I had not had my money out between the 17th August and the day I missed it—no one occupies the room where the money was, except myself and the two shopmen who sleep there—I will swear I slept at home on the night of the 17th August, and every night from then till I missed my money—after I discovered the robbery, I called the prisoner's attention to it, and he pointed out some marks on the bolt of the lock; I had not observed them before—I had been in that room before, but had not been to the cupboard—this is not the first time I have

made a charge of robbery against any one—I had a man up for robbing me of money to a small amount, but be gave me 3l. or 4l. of the money back—he was a distant relation of mine.

MR. NAGLE. Q. Had you reason to believe that the prisoner was in distress? A. Yes; they had lived next door—I believe they owe the land-lord a year and a half a rent.

COURT. Q. What coin did your money consist of? A. All sovereigns, except 13l. in half-sovereigns.

MARTHA FRANKLIN . I am servant to Miss Evans, who lodges in the prosecutor's house. On the 17th of August I was coming up stairs, about half-past six o'clock, after tea, and I heard a foot on the stairs coming down on tiptoe—I was so near that if a person had walked in the ordinary way I must have heard him—he made a slight noise; he was walking down very slowly, and holding his pockets—his footsteps could not be heard easily; there was a carpet on the stairs—I looked, and saw it was the prisoner—I said, "Is the governor in bed"—his confusion was so great he could not answer me—he coloured up, and went out at the hall door—no person uses that door, only on Sunday.

Cross-examined. Q. Who are you servant to? A. I have been twenty-two years servant to Miss Evans—this was about half-past six o'clock, on Friday the 17th of August—I have no doubt about its being then—I did not tell any one of it—I went up to my own room—he was coming down, holding his coat-pockets up; there was something heavy in them—I looked up at him—I could have laid my hand on his foot—I said, "Is the governor in bed"—the governor has not been in good health; he sometimes goes and lies down—I did not mention this to any one, only Mr. James said, on the Monday week, that he missed 1602.—I said it was Somers, the little butcher, that took it, I met him on the stairs—this was on the Monday week following, at breakfast-time, down stairs in the kitchen—Mr. James always breakfasts in the kitchen—I do not breakfast there—I had no business there—I had no purpose in going in; but if I am down, I generally go into the kitchen—Mr. James and his man were having their breakfast, the door was open, and I went in; George Edwards and his master were taking their break-fasts together—Mr. James was looking cloudy; and I said, "Are you well?" and then he said he had had a heavy loss—then I said it was the little butcher; and told him it was on the Friday week before—I know it was on that day—I did not talk this matter over, I only said it was the little butcher—I know where the prosecutor sleeps; it is in the front room—I go there to make his bed for him—there is but one bed in the room, and I make it—there is a cupboard in that room—I did not know that any money was kept there—the young men were not in their room in the daytime—I make the bed between ten and eleven—the room door is kept locked; the key is generally in the door—the young men who were there on the 17th of August were Henry Ryan and George Edwards—there was not a boy there who has gone to Australia—there was no other man or boy there, I swear—there was a young man, a midshipman, but he was not with Mr. James—he was lodging there, and he was backwards and forwards—he lived with Miss Evans, he was her nephew; he was gone before the robbery—I cannot say when he went away—he lived in Miss Evans' room, and slept in a bedroom of his own, on the same floor—he had no friends come to see him; he was a youth of fourteen—I have seen the constable about this matter—I told him it was on the 17th that I saw the man coming down—I lived in the house before Mr. James came to it—I am certain the prisoner coloured and was very much confused.

MARK LOOMS (police-sergeant, B 11.) In consequence of information from Mr. James, I apprehended the prisoner; I said to him, "Are you aware of Mr. James's Joss"—he said, "Yes"—I said, "Have you got any money! he suspects you"—he said, "I have only sixpence"—I took him to the station, and he there pulled out seventeen half-sovereigns, a five-shilling piece, and two sixpences—I said, "You told me you had no money about you"—he said, "That is ray mother's money"—I said, "But you said you had none"—I had received an intimation from the prosecutor to attend to the prisoner's movements—I had seen him in different skittle alleys—I saw him with some money once before—he had a handful of silver, and two or three pieces of gold amongst it—I had seen him gambling in three or four different places, playing for money.

Cross-examined. Q. How long had you been watching him? A. A week, perhaps—I took him on Saturday, the 8th of September—I think it was on the Sunday or Monday before, that I began to watch him—the prosecutor had communicated to me that he was robbed, and I proposed to watch the prisoner—I first saw this half-sovereign on the Friday before I took the prisoner in custody, on the day of Barnet-fair, or Barnet-races—when I saw the prisoner playing at skittles, it was for brandy and water—there was brandy and water and ale on three occasions—I took some of the brandy and water—I played with a young man for brandy and water—I lost—I do not think the prisoner knew me to be a policeman—I was in plain clothes when I took him into custody.

SARAH WEBB . I know the prisoner—he called on me on 31st Aug.—I paid him 8s. 41l. 2d.—this is the bill I paid him—it is not true that I paid him 2l. 5s. on that day. or the day before, or the day after.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you paid him money before? A. Yes, I cannot say how much I had paid him within the last ten or twelve days—it might have been 2l. with the 8s. 41l. 2d.—he gave me receipts—I have not looked through them.

MR. PRENDERGAST. Q. Did you give him two sovereigns? A. No—I did not give him a sovereign at once.

HENRY RYAN . I have lived in Mr. James's service between two and three years—I remember seeing the prisoner on Friday, the 17th of Aug.—I saw him pass through the shop in the morning and in the evening—I did not see him return in the evening—there is a rule that no one should go through the private door except the lady who lodged in the house—I knew that, and I believe the prisoner knew it—I never went out there but on a Sunday—I knew Mr. James kept his money in the cash-box—I always left the bedroom before Mr. James did—I am sure that the prisoner did not return through the shop on the second occasion, on the 17th of Aug.

Cross-examined. Q. In which room do you sleep? A. In the front-room on the second floor—Mr. James and I and my fellow-shopman all sleep in the same bed—there are two beds, but we sleep in the same—I do not recollect what time I went to bed on the 17th of Aug.—I believe my master went to bed at the same time I did—our usual time for going to bed is about eleven o'clock—to the best of my recollection we went to bed about eleven that night—I am quite sure my master slept at home that night, and on the following night, and every night for the week, and my fellow-shopman like-wise—I generally attend in the shop while my master and the other young man take their breakfast. MR. NAGLB. Q. What was the object of the prisoner's coming on the

17th of Aug.? A. I understood to whitewash the kitchen, but I saw it was not done.

GEORGE EDWARDS . I am one of Mr. James's men. I sleep in the same bedroom—I was not aware what Mr. James had in that closet.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you at home on the 17th of Aug.? A. Yes, and I slept at home—I went to bed about ten o'clock, I suppose—we go to bed from ten to eleven—my master slept at home that night—I and my master breakfast together—I heard from him of his loss on the Monday week following, before we went to breakfast—he told me he had lost 160 sovereigns

Witnesses for the Defence, GEORGE COWDEROY. I live in Gillingham-street, Pimlico, with my father, who is a grocer and cheesemonger. I know both the prisoner and the prosecutor, but I know the prisoner better than I do the prosecutor—I have been in the habit of meeting the prisoner—on 17th Aug. I was at home all the morning—I left home soon after two o'clock in the afternoon, for an appointment I had to take a walk with the prisoner—we went to Battersea; the prosecutor went with us—I remember it was on 17th Aug., because I had been very poorly some time, and it was the first day I had been out—it was on a Friday—I went to the prosecutor's about three o'clock—the prosecutor was at home, dressing—I went into the shop and waited till he came down—the prisoner was directed by the young man in the shop to go to the prosecutor—the prisoner and the prosecutor came down together—in ten minutes or a quarter of an hour we left there, went to the water-side, and took the boat at Pimlico Pier, to go to Battersea—we got to Battersea at a quarter or half-past four—we went to a skittle-ground; the prisoner and the prosecutor played, I think for 3d. a game—I did not play—they played three or four games—we did not leave Battersea till past seven—we all left together, and returned home by the boat from Battersea to Pimlico Pier—we all three got out about a quarter or twenty minutes past seven—I parted with the prisoner and the prosecutor at the corner of Gillingham-street—I saw the prosecutor at his door the next morning as I was passing the shop; he told me he took the prisoner home to have tea with him—he told me he had picked up a woman the night before, he did not say the exact spot, but he said he went home with her, and stopped there all night—I do not remember that I saw the prisoner and the prosecutor together after that.

Cross-examined by MR. PRENDERGAST. Q. The prosecutor and you are not much acquainted, you do not know him much? A. I am not at all intimate with him, I merely met him—I have never been out with him more than twice—I never dined at his house, nor he at mine—this conversation, on 18th Aug., was at his shop-door—the two men were in the shop—he did not speak loud enough for them to hear—they could not hear at the distance they were from the door—they were behind the counter—he told me he picked up a girl and went home with her—he did not say where she lived—he said she was a servant, and he went to her master's house with her—I had left him and the prisoner together at the corner of Gillingham-street on Friday, 17th Aug.—I did not go before the Magistrate to say that the prisoner could not have stolen this money because he was in my company on that very evening, or to contradict the witness who saw the prisoner coming down stairs—they never came to request me to go—I did not go till I was requested—I heard on the Saturday that the prisoner was taken—I did not go to the police-office to hear what was said against ray friend—my feelings kept me away—the prisoner's mother came to me and asked me about the day we went to

Battersea, and that brought it to my recollection—I believe the prisoner was brought up twice for examination—his mother did not tell me to go before the Magistrate—she asked me if I had any recollection of going to Battersea. and then it brought it back to my recollection—she did not suggest it—it did not come into my head what was done, till she came—she asked me if I remembered going to Battersea, and she might have said the day—I at once remembered it—I cannot say whether that was before the last examination—I heard that the prisoner was then at the House of Detention, at Clerkenwell—I cannot recollect whether he was brought up after that—I first told this story when his mother came and suggested it to me—I told her about the conversation with the prosecutor the next day—I do not recollect that I told it to anybody else—my father is a grocer and cheesemonger, of Gillingham-street—the prisoner lives in the same street; he is not a relation of mine.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Then, in point of fact, you did not know the day of this robbery till his mother came to you? A. No; and I did not know whether my evidence would be of importance—I was here last Session, and have attended this Session—the prisoner has been out on bail—he was pay. ing his addresses to Miss Webb, the daughter of a coal-merchant in the neighbourhood—my father has lived four years in that neighbourhood—I have assisted him ever since he went there, and I live in the house with him—I had been ill, but was able to do little things—the 17th Aug. was the first day I went out.

SARAH SOMERS . I am the prisoner's mother; my husband is alive—in Aug. and Sept. my husband was in a state of ill health, and unable to attend to business—the prisoner attended to the business for me—I know the prosecutor's house, I had a house next door to him—there was a misunder-standing between the landlord and me; he broke his promise in regard of letting another butcher on the estate—I left the house some time after—another son of mine then took a business in Stock well-terrace, and we went there—in Aug. we were carrying on business in Stock well-terrace—it was my son's business at first—he took a public-house, and we carried on the business—on 20th Aug. I went out of town—I returned on Thursday, 6th Sept., by the late train—during the time I was away the prisoner managed the business—the receipts during the day were 2l., 3l., or 4l., early in the week about 3l. a day, and on Saturday more—when I left the prisoner, it was his duty to receive such sums—I arrived by the late train on 6th Sept—he had not accounted to me for any money—he appointed to look over the books on the next morning, but Mr. James came and took him out—that prevented his reckoning on the Friday afternoon, and on the Saturday he was taken into custody—he is twenty-five years old—he has always been a good son and an honest young man—he never gave me a moment's trouble in my life—my husband is in very bad health.

Cross-examined by MR. PRENDE ROAST. Q. Have you not borrowed money of Mr. James? A. No, I do not know when we borrowed of him—I remember Mr. James saying my son had borrowed 30s. of him—that may have been eight or ten weeks before my son was apprehended—I have never borrowed 5l. of Mr. James, nor sent my son for it—I left my house because some other butcher set up: I stopped in the house nine or ten, or twelve months after that—I do not know what I owed the landlord for rent when I left—I do not conceive that I owed him anything—I cannot say that I left six months' rent unpaid—he broke his promise in putting another butcher on the estate—he has admitted that we do not owe him anything.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. He covenanted that there should not be another butcher there? A. Yes—and as I did not bring an action against him for breach of covenant, he does not consider that I owe him any rent.

JOSEPH HOLYWELL . My father is a tavern-keeper, of Eaton-street, Pimlico—I have known the prisoner two or three years—I cashed a check for him on 8th Sept.—I gave him 5l. in gold, in sovereigns and half-sovereigns—I think it was about midday.

Cross-examined by MR. PRENDERGAST. Q. Did be say it was for a gentle-man? A. No, I do not recollect that—there were sovereigns and half-sovereigns—I do not recollect what proportions of each.

SARAH KING . I am cook to Mr. Woolman, of Upper Eaton-street, Pimlico—our family deal with the prisoner's mother—between 20th Aug. and 6th Sept. I paid the prisoner some money—it might be about 3l.

Cross-examined by MR. PRENDERGAST. Q. Did you pay him weekly? A. Latterly I have not paid him weekly, I paid him when the joints came in—I paid him sovereigns and half-sovereigns—here is one bill of 1l. 4s. 4d.—I paid him this on 28th Aug.—this is the last I paid him, but I had paid him other sums.

ELEANOR HUTCHINSON . I am servant to Mr. Gill, of Pimlico—the prisoner was in the habit of serving my master with meat—between 20th Aug. and 6th Sept. I paid him some money, about 1l.

MR. PRENDERGAST to Ma. JAMES. Q. YOU have heard what Cowderoy has said about your going out with him and the prisoner on the 17th Aug., is that true? A. No, it is not—I did not leave my house at all, and was not at all in his company on 17th Aug.—I did not say the next morning that I had a girl—I am quite sure that on 17th Aug. I did not leave the house, and I slept at home that night.

MR. O'BRIEN. Q. YOU were with the prisoner and Cowderoy at Batter-sea? A. Yes, that was about a month or six weeks previous to—my hosing the money—they called on me, and I went with them.

JURY. Q. How was it that the prisoner knew where the money was deposited? A. I told him where I was going to put it—he slept with me when he was in my service, and he knew where I kept it—the key of the cup-board was in the cash-box.

MR. PRENDERGAST to HENRY RYAN. Q. Did Mr. James go out in company with the prisoner on 17th Aug.? A. No, he did not—I am quite sure I saw the prisoner there on 17th Aug.—I saw him come in the evening, and not go out—I am quite sure Mr. James slept at home on 17th Aug.—I slept with him.

MR. O'BRIEN Q. Was he at home on the 15th? A. Yes—I do not remember his being out for some days previous—I cannot undertake to swear whether he was at home on the 10th—I can recollect 17th Aug. now—my attention was called to it as soon as the robbery was named—I saw the prisoner on the morning of 17th Aug., and in the afternoon.

MR. PRENDERGAST to GEORGE EDWARDS. Q. Can you tell us whether Mr. James was out on 17th Aug.? A. No, he was not—I saw the prisoner come on 17th Aug., about six o'clock in the evening—I did not see him go—I am sure that the prisoner and Mr. James and Cowderoy did not go out on the 17th—I do not know Cowderoy—I am sure my master did not quit the house that day, I slept with him "that night—there is another bed, but we do not use it. (The prisoner received a good character.)Nor NOT GUILTY .

OLD COURT.—Tuesday, October 23d, 1849.


Before Mr. Recorder and the Second Jury,

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1850
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1850. JOSEPH VOWELL , stealing 7 handkerchiefs, value 7s.; 1 eash. box, 1s.; 28 sovereigns, 6 half-sovereigns, 22 half-crowns, 3 shillings, and 1 sixpence; and 2 orders for the payment of 4l. and 5l.; the property of William Elliott and another, his masters: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Two Years ,

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1851
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1851. JOHN HARPER JONES , unlawfully threatening to publish libel upon Francis Robert Newton, with intent to extort money from him.


29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1852
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1852. THOMAS CHARLES CROSS was indicted for wilful and corrupt perjury. NOT GUILTY ,

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1853
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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1853. HENRY SPICER was indicted for a like offence, upon which No evidence was offered. NOT GUILTY .

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1854
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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1854. CALEB COOKE was indicted for a like offence, upon which No evidence was offered. NOT GUILTY .

NEW COURT.—Tuesday, October 23d, 1849.

PRESENT—Mr. Ald. SIDNEY; Mr. Ald. FINNIS; and Mr.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Sixth Jury.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1855
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1855. MATTHEW WALSH , stealing 1 woollen wrapper, and 1 leather strap, value 12s. 6d.; the goods of Henry Withers: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 27.— Confined Two Years ,

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1856
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1856. GEORGE MARTIN , stealing 1 handkerchief, value 1s.; the good of Burgess Little, from his person: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1857
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1857. GEORGE HENRY GRAY , stealing 1 handkerchief, value 2s.; the goods of David Stapleton: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Three Months ,

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1858
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1858. JOHN POTTER , unlawfully having counterfeit coin in his possession, with intent to utter it: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 31.— Confined Nine Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1859
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1859. MARY HARRINGTON was indicted fora like offence: to which she pleaded GUILTY . Aged 59.— Confined One Year ,

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1860
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1860. ESTHER ATTWOOD was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. ELLIS and PARNELL conducted the Prosecution. WILLIAM SUTTON. I am an oilman, of Whitechapel. On 21st Sept,

between nine and ten o'clock at night, the prisoner came for a halfpenny candle, and offered me a bad sixpence—I went to the door, called a police-man, and gave the prisoner and the sixpence into his charge.

ROBERT GIFFORD (policeman, H 89). I was called, and took the prisoner—I received this sixpence from Mr. Sutton (produced)—I said, "Have you any more of these about you?"—she said, "No, I have not"—I put my hand into her pocket and found a bad sixpence and a halfpenny in a piece of tissue-paper—I searched her at the station, and found 1s. worth of halfpence in a pocket in her stays.

JOHN KEMPSTER . I am an inteller in the Bank of England, and am in the habit of breaking up bad coin—these two sixpences are both bad. GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1861
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1861. HENRY WHALE , stealing 1 watch, and chain and seal, value 7l.2s.; the goods of Edward Jenkins, his master, in his dwelling-house: to which he pleaded GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Two Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1862
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1862. ELLEN O'BRIEN was indicted for unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. ELLIS and PARNELL conducted the Prosecution,

ELIZABETH BARTLETT . My husband is a baker, of St. Mary-Axe. On 24th Sept. the prisoner came, with a plate in her hand, and asked for a stale half-quartern loaf—she gave me a bad 5s. piece—I took it to the window—she said, "Don't bend it"—I went round the counter to look for an officer, and she ran away, leaving the loaf and money—I gave it to an officer—I saw the prisoner next day at the Mansion-house.

Prisoner. Q. Have not you said I was not the person? A. No; I have no doubt of you.

ROBERT HILTON LEE (City-policeman, 642). I received this crown from Mrs. Bartlett.

GEORGE GIRLING . I am a cab-driver. On 2d Oct., about half-past six in the morning, the prisoner, another female, and two men, engaged my cab at the corner of Catherine-street, Strand—I drove them to Whitechapel—the told me to stop, but a policeman was walking up Half-Moon-street, and she told me to go on again—I did so—the policeman followed the cab, and looked in to see who was inside—they stopped at the White Hart, Bishopsgate-street, and said they wanted to get something to drink—the fare, was 3s. 6d., and 2s. for a pane of glass which they broke—the prisoner gave me a bad crown—I told her it was bad—she would not give me another—I called a policeman, and gave her in charge, with the crown.

DANIEL MURRAY (City-policeman, 648). I was on duty in Bishopsgate-street—Girling called me and gave the prisoner in charge—I found 6s. 1l. 2d. on her in good money. JOHN KEMPSTER. These two crowns are base.

GUILTY . Aged 23.— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1863
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown

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1863. THOMAS WISE and WILLIAM SAVE were indicted for a like offence; to which

WISE pleaded GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined Six Months.

JOSEPH MANNELL . I am nephew of Mrs. Mannell, of Church-street, Bethnal green On 16th Oct., about half-past three o'clock in the afternoon, Wise came to the shop and offered me a sixpence—I bent it double and gave it him back again—I followed him out, and saw him join Save a few doors off—they went into several public-houses—I followed them to the doors—Wise

went into Mr. Webb's at Shoreditch, Save stood on the other side of the way—I went in and spoke to the man who was serving—Wise came out. joined Save, and they went to Mr. Prescott's—Wise went in, Save remained on the opposite side—I went in and spoke to Mr. Prescott—Wise came out and they went to Mr. Barber's—Wise went in, and Save remained outside—I went in, Save saw me, and went away directly—I spoke to Mr. Tennant at the bar, he kept Wise till a policeman came—I saw a sixpence broken in halves in Mr. Tennant's hand—Wise was taken to the station—while the charge was being booked I went outside, saw Save, and he was taken.

JOHN BROWN . I am shopman to Mr. Webb, a cheesemonger of Shore, ditch. On 16th Oct. Wise came and gave me a sixpence—I put it into the till—there was no other sixpence there—Mannell came in and told me something, and I found it was bad—I kept it, and gave it to the policeman.

GEORGE PESCODD . I am a pastry-cook, of Bishopsgate-street. On 16th Oct., about four o'clock, Wise came in for a penny pie, and gave me a six-pence—I put it in the bowl, which was empty—Mannell came in, and I found the sixpence was bad—I gave it to Jarvis.

JOHN TENNANT . I am barman to Mr. Baker, of Bishopsgate-street. ON On 16th Oct. Wise came, between four and fiveo'clock in the evening, for a pennyworth of gin, he gave me a bad sixpence, I bit it in two—Mannell came in and I seized the prisoner—Scott came and asked me for the sixpence—Wise struck the pieces out of my hand—Mannell picked up one piece, and I picked up the other, and they were given to Scott.

JOHN SCOTT (City-policeman, 626). I was called, and found Tennant holding Wise—I saw the two pieces go out of Tennant's hand, I received them.

WILLIAM JARVIS (policeman). I took Save ten yards from the station-house door, and found on him 6s. and three sixpences good money, and a small quantity of sugar and tea. JOHN KEMPSTER. These two sixpences and the broken one are base.


29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1864
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1864. WILLIAM BANVILLE was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. SCRIVEN and CLERK conducted the Prosecution.

EUPHEMIA RYDE . On 4th Oct. the prisoner came to my house to buy some sweetmeats, he gave me half-a-crown and I gave him the change—I said it was not good—a constable came in and 1 gave it to him—I had marked it—it had not been out of my sight.

Prisoner. Q. Did not I ask you if it was good, and you said it was? A. No.

WILLIAM PADGET . I am a plumber, of Hammersmith-bridge-road, Or 9th Oct., about six o'clock in the evening, the prisoner came and bought some nuts of me—he gave me half-a-crown, I gave him 2s. 4d. change—it was dark—I said, "I hope this is a good one?"—he said, "It is an exceeding good one"—I put it into my pocket—I had no other half-crown there a constable came in and I gave it to him.

HENRY BOQUETT . I am toll-collector at Hammersmith-bridge. On 9th Oct the prisoner came over the bridge—he gave me half-a-crown, I gave him the change—I laid it on a shelf by itself—Line came soon afterwards and I gave it to him.

JAMES NEWTON LIKE (policeman). I produce three half-crowns, which I received from Ryde, Padget, and Bockett—I followed the prisoner over Hammersmith-bridge, took him, found on him 14s. 2d. in good silver, 1s.81l. 2d.

in copper, two bad crowns concealed in his trowsers, and some biscuits, nuts, and sweetmeats. JOHN KEMPSTER. These three half-crowns are base.

GUILTY . Aged 27.— Confined One Year ,

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1865
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1865. JOHN LEE , stealing 2 ale-glasses, value 24.; the goods of James Simpson.

WILLIAM EGLINGTON . I am bar-man to James Simpson, of King William-street. On 12th Oct. the prisoner came and called for some ale, when he was gone I missed his glass and another—no one else could have taken them—I went out after him and gave him in charge—these glasses were found or him in my presence—they are mine.

RICHARD SAUNDERS . I am a waiter at Mr. Simpson's. I saw the prisoner there and the glasses—there was nobody but him to take them.

Prisoner. Q. Did not you remove them? A. The small ones I did—I left some besides the one you had.

ANTHONY MONGER (City policeman, 564). I searched the prisoner, and found on him these two glasses, and another in his hat, covered with a handkerchief—I cannot find an owner for that one.

Prisoner's Defence. I bought them for 2s.

GUILTY . Aged 34.— Confined Nine Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1866
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1866. JOHN CARTER , stealing 1 rummer, value 1s.; the goods of Frederick William Torrance.

FREDERICK WILLIAM TORRANCE . I keep a public-house. On 12th Oct. the prisoner was drinking there—after he was gone I missed a rummer—to the best of my belief this is it (produced).

Cross-examined by MR. GEAR. Q. How long had he been there? A. Two or three hours, with five or six others—I did not serve them—I should say they were sober—they went away quietly.

DANIEL SUDBURY . I received information, and took the prisoner at Uxbridge—I found this glass on him—he said he had found it.

(The prisoner received a good character.) NOT GUILTY .

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1867
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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1867. JOHN RYE and WILLIAM LEWIS were indicted for stealing 4 shillings and 4 sixpences; the moneys of John Fleet.

MR. MEW conducted the Prosecution,

MART ANN FLEET . I am the wife of John Fleet, oilman, of Great Manchester-street. About eight o'clock last Wednesday evening I was in the parlour—a looking-glass hung opposite, and I thought I saw a dog in the shop—I went in, and found Rye coming round the counter on his hands and knees—I followed him to the door, and he threw four shillings and four six-pences from his hand, and said to Lewis, who stood at the window, "Halloo, master, you are dropping your money"—I picked up two sixpences and a shilling, which were by my side, and said to my husband, "Take this thief!" pointing to Rye—Lewis ran down the street—I followed, and lost sight of him—there were four shillings in the till and four sixpences, ten minutes before, and some copper—I missed the silver.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Did not you collar Rye outside the step? A. On the step of the door; the person who was crawling did not get away.

FRANCIS COTTERELL . I am a cabinet-maker, opposite Mr. Fleet's. I saw the prisoners at his window nearly ten minutes—Rye went to the door and

returned twice—I went to my back premises, and on returning saw Rye coming out on his hands and knees, and Mrs. Fleet after him—I laid hold of him—Lewis went off, I followed him to the corner of Finsbury-circus and could not follow him any further—I swear to them both.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you been an assistant to the police? A. No I have been in company with them—I have not walked about with them looking after cases, or been a witness in their cases, or in a criminal court.

GEORGE SAMUEL CAVALIER (City-policeman, 124). I heard a cry of "Stop thief!" and saw Lewis running across Finsbury-pavement, about three or four doors from Great Manchester-street—I took him, and found 3s. on him—he gave a false address.

EDWARD FUNNELL (City-policeman, 32). I took Rye, and found 31l. 2d. on him. RYE— GUILTY . Aged 14.— Confined Six Months.

LEWIS— GUILTY .** Aged 18.— Confined Eighteen Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1868
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1868. JOHN PILGRIM , stealing 2 watches, and 1 watch-case, value value 7l. 4s.; the goods of William James Moon, in his dwelling-house: also 1 clock, 10l.; the goods of Edward Grafton, in his dwelling-house: also 2 watches, and 1 watch-case, 16l. 8s.; the goods of Joseph Davie, in his dwelling-house; having been before convicted: to all which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Transported for Seven Years. (There were two other indictments against the prisoner.)

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1869
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1869. EDWARD GRACIE , stealing 2 books, value 7l. 3s.; also, 893 books and 2 maps, 150l. 3s.; also, 4 sovereigns; the property of John Rivington and another, his masters: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 25.— Confined One Year ,


29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1870
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Transportation

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1870. ANN STEWART and WILLIAM SMITH , stealing 1 knife, value 1s., and 1 shilling; the property of William Augustus Hall, from his person.

MESSRS. RYLAND and LAURIE conducted the Prosecution. MICHAEL HAYDON (City-policeman, 21). On Friday evening, 12th Oct, about half-past seven, I was on duty with Brett in King William-street, in plain clothes, and saw the prisoners—Stewart was about twenty yards in advance of Smith—I knew them both before, but had not known them to associate—I followed them into the Poultry to Cheapside, and back through the Poultry to Gracechurch-street, and through the principal streets for two hours—Smith sometimes spoke to Stewart, but was never more than thirty or forty yards from her, sometimes on one side of the way, and sometimes on the other—Stewart accosted at least twenty gentlemen, all of whom shook her off—whenever she did so, Smith placed himself in a doorway, or some dark spot, watching them—he always stopped when she stopped—about half-past nine she accosted Mr. Hall, in King William-street—they crossed the street, went down Clement's-lane a short distance, and turned up a dark court—Smith followed them almost immediately—they remained there about ten minutes; then Smith came down, turned to the right, and went towards Lombard-street—directly afterwards Stewart and Mr. Hall came down, and went into a public-house opposite the court—they remained there a short time, then went into King William-street, and separated—I went after Mr. Hall, and in consequence of what he said to me I went after Stewart, and saw both prisoners standing together talking in King William-street—I told Stewart I was a constable, and she was charged with stealing a penknife and a shilling from the gentleman she had just left—she said, "I have got no penknife;

the gentleman I have just left it a friend of mine"—I took herto the station, and asked her to produce what property she had—she produced this purse, a shilling, sixpence, and fourpenny worth of coppers—I asked if she bad anything else—she said she had not, in an angry manner—I saw her hand moving in the bosom of her dress—she took it away, and put it up the front of her dress, stooping down—I was taking her to the searcher's room—in going along I heard something drop, and saw this knife on the floor—she said, "That is my knife; it was given to me by the gentleman who has just left me,—Colonel Perrin, a friend of mine; he is gone to Scotland; he will be back in two days, and will punish you for making this charge"—Hall was perfectly sober—Stewart used a slight force to get him into the public-house, but he was not obliged to go in.

Stewart. I said I had a knife, but was not aware it was a pen-knife—did not you knock it out of my hand, when I was stooping down to pin my dress up? Witness. No—in the first instance I asked her if the had a pen-knife, and at the station, a knife.

JAMIS BRETT (City-policeman, 13). I was with Hay don, and watched the prisoners for two hours; I had seen them in company before, and therefore looked for Smith, and saw him behind her—Stewart altered her shawl three different times, which made it a different colour and shape—she stopped under a clock in Cheapside, and Smith came up to her—they were in conversation ten minutes—she went with Mr. Hall up Clement's-lane—Smith followed them, and stood at the corner of the court—he came out, passed me, and went towards Lombard-street—directly afterwards Mr. Hall and Stewart came out—Stewart appeared to pull Hall into a public-house—they came out together, and went as far as Nicholas-lane, where she left him—I went after Smith and took him in charge—he said, "I have never seen the woman before; she came up and asked me to give her a glass of ale, but I had no money to treat myself"—I had seen them in company in the same way on Wednesday.

Stewart. Q. Why did I change my shawl? A. To make it appear different, to throw me off my guard.

WILLIAM AUGUSTUS HALL . On the evening of 12th Oct. I was in King William-street, about half-past nine o'clock—Stewart spoke to me, and I accom panied her up Clement's-lane into a court—I remained with her ten minutes, and saw a man standing at the end of the court—I cannot recognize him—I had a shilling, a knife, and a watch in my pocket—I missed the shilling and the knife, and charged her with taking it—she denied it—we went out of the court into a public-house nearly opposite—she wished me to go in and have a glass of ale with her, which I did. and she paid for it, as I had no money—we came out and went to King William-street—I left her, and Haydon spoke to me—this is my knife—it could not have dropped from my pocket.

Cross-examined. Q. What are you? A. A warehouseman, of 24, Lawrence-lane. I went and drank with her after missing my knife and shilling—I asked her for the knife—she did not attempt to take my watch—I gave her a shilling in the court, and had a shilling left.

JOHN SPITTLE (City-policeman, 9). I was with Brett on the Wednesday before this happened—I saw the prisoners in company with a female—the two females went through the City for nearly two hours—Smith was near all the time.

Stewart's Defence. The prosecutor came up, and asked me where I was going; I said, "Home;" he said he should like to go home with me, but he had not money enough; then he said he had a shilling, if I liked to accept of

it, and he had another shilling which would pay for the room; he felt in his pocket, and said he was sorry he had left it and his knife in his coat pocket at home; I saw something bright on the pavement, and picked up a kuife and put it into my pocket; I never saw Smith before that night.

STEWART— GUILTY .— Aged 23.— Confined One Year.

SMITH— GUILTY . Aged 47.— Transported for Ten Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1871
VerdictsNot Guilty > unknown

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1871. WILLIAM GARDINER and JOHN PRYOR stealing two trusses of hay, value 3s. 6d.; the goods of Nancy Brown and another, their employers; and, JOHN HARRISON feloniously receiving the same.

MR. PARNELL conducted the Prosecution,

BOHLE HARMS (City-policeman, 288). On 8th Oct. I was on duty in Seacoal-lane, about half-past eight o'clock in the morning—I saw the prisoners Gardiner and Pryor, each taking a truss of hay from a cart be. longing to Mrs. Brown, which was standing in the lane—I had known Pryor by sight before as a carman, in Mrs. Brown's employ—I saw another cart that morning standing at the bottom of Seacoal-lane—Gardiner and Pryor took the two trusses up some steps to a stable belonging to Harrison, in Bishop's-court—they put the hay into the stable—Harrison was within about a yard and a half of the stable-door—he must have seen them take the hay in; they must have touched him—I stood there about two minutes—the hay was put into the stable, and Pryor and Gardiner came out—I asked them both if they had any authority for dropping the hay there—they both said that they did not know that they had—I said, "I shall take you into custody for stealing it"—Harrison heard that; he was quite close—he said, "If that it the case I won't have the hay here; it shan't be here; I don't know the men; I never spoke to them"—he wanted to put the hay out of the stable; I would not let him—my brother officer came up; I left him in charge of it.

Cross-examined by MR. PRENDERGAST. Q. You had your police dress on? A. Yes—this was done while I was standing by as a policeman—they saw me after they were in the stable, not before—I do not know whether the cart was too full—the two trusses were taken from the top—they reached them off the side—neither of them got on the cart—they were both on the near side—Pryor took his first—I was not above twenty yards from them—there were no persons passing—Pryor was the driver of the cart—if I stood at the bottom of the steps I could see both the carts, but in Bishop's-court I could not see either of them—no one was left in charge of the carts—"J. Harrison, licensed to let horses," is over the stable.

Cross-examined by, MR. PARRY. Q. Did Harrison know you as doing duty there? A. lie might have seen me many times, a hundred times perhaps—I never had any conversation with him before—he was standing there, not driving—a kind of a carriage was standing there—I had not seen him drive it up—I did not see him on the box—the trusses were taken and put into the stable against a stall, on the left hand—it was not about the trusses of hay that Harrison said he knew nothing—I am quite sure he said he knew nothing of the men, and never saw them, and never spoke to them.

GEORGE HAM (City-policeman, 275). I came up to Harms at Harrison's stable, on 8th Oct.—I took charge of the hay, and produce it—I have shown it to Mr. Staff—I saw Harrison put one truss out of the stable.

JAMES STAFF . I am clerk to Nancy Brown and Edward John Richardson, hay-salesmen, of the Old Bailey. Gardiner has been their carman ten or twelve years, and Pryor about two years—it was their duty to take hay out

for Mrs. Brown—they had no authority whatever on that morning to leave any hay at Harrison's—they had got their carts to go elsewhere—these two trusses of hay are decidedly the property of my employers—they are worth about 3s. 6d.

Cross-examined by MR. PRENDERGAST. Q. Hay is so cheap that persons are glad to get rid of it? A. Yes, persons are glad to send it to market—this is not foreign hay—it came from Aylesbury—I speak to it from its smell and its appearance—I never saw it trussed up—I am quite sure it is Mrs. Brown and her partner's—I did not see the carts in Seacoal-lane—the carts are loaded with thirty-six trusses from the wharf at the City Basin, where the hay is generally put—it is not Mrs. Brown's wharf, but it is her hay and her partner's—this hay had never been in Smithfield to my knowledge—I did not see it loaded—each of the loads should have had thirty-six trusses—we do not count the trusses—thirty-eight trusses appear to have been loaded on the cart, and two were taken from it—whether the men put thirty-four trusses, thirty-six, or thirty-eight, we cannot tell, only themselves—all the hay at the wharf does not belong to Mrs. Brown, only what comes in these barges.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. These barges bring hay for a great many persons? A. Yes—the trusses are landed on the wharf for the various parties to come and fetch them—this hay was landed on the Saturday night, and remained in our possession till the Monday morning—the whole of the hay in that barge was Mrs. Brown's—I did not see the barge—it was not my duty to see it unloaded—the captain took his instructions from me for the whole load of that barge—an immense quantity of the same sort comes into the possession of other persons besides Mrs. Brown—it is clover hay, not the commonest sort—it may be got in every corn-chandler's shop in London.

JAMES WHEELAN . I shall be fifteen years old on the 29th Jan.—I was in the employ of Mr. M'Farlane, looking, after a pony in Wheatsheaf-yard—Harrison had a stable in that yard about a month ago—there were four trusses of clover hay left there—I saw Pryor put the last truss down about eleven or twelve o'clock in the day, between two or three months ago—I did not see where it was brought from—Harrison's boy put the hay in the stable—I did not see Harrison there for a week afterwards.

WILLIAM RANGER . I live at 3, George-yard, Seacoal-lane. I know Harrison had a stable in Wheatsheaf-yard—I have seen Pryor at Harrison's stable between two and three months ago; there were six trusses of hay brought there—I saw Harrison there the next day—I do not know how many horses were in the stable—I saw the six trusses brought up the yard—there was a cart at the bottom of the yard with "Brown and Mason" on it.

THOMAS JONES . I am in the employ of Messrs. Cox, of Wheatsheaf-yard. I know Harrison's stables there—I saw Pryor there twice—I never saw Harrison with him—I saw Pryor bring four trusses there about three months ago—he brought clover hay both times, and placed it outside the stable-door—I saw that, or some other hay, in the stable next day.

Cross-examined by MR. PRENDERGAST. Q. There are stables there kept by a number of different persons? A. Yes—Harrison had a two-stall stable there. THOMAS Cox. I am a carman, and live in Bishop's-court. I know Harrison very well, and the stable he has in Bishop's-court—I have known Pryor by sight about six months as carman to "Brown and Mason"—Mr. Mason is dead—I have seen Pryor in Harrison's company in Bishop's-court three or four times in the course of three months—about Aug. I saw Harrison pass

some pieces of coin to Pryor, I could not see how much—I have seen money pass on more than one occasion, and always from Harrison to Pryor.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. Is Harrison a carman? A. I believe not—there is no bad feeling between us—I have never threatened him with an action, or in any way—I have been before the Alderman about three times in my life—I can hardly tell what it was about the first time, it is so many years ago—the second time was for flogging a man, for which I was unlawfully fined—a man laid hold of my horse, and threw him back, and nearly through a window—it was for using the whip that the Alderman fined me—I think I was fined the first time I was up—I think it was for putting a horse back, and I thrashed him with a whip—I know Miss Golding—she summoned me before a Magistrate—I decline to say what it was for, or what I was fined—Harrison was a witness against me on that occasion—I have not threatened that I would do for him, or be revenged on him for that.

(The prisoners received good characters.) NOT GUILTY .

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1872
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1872. WILLIAM MILLS , stealing 1 handkerchief, value 3s. 6d.; the goods of George Appel, from his person.

GEORGE APPEL . I am a merchant's clerk. On the night of 1st Oct. I was looking in at a window—I received information and missed my handkerchief—this is it—it was given me by another boy—I cannot say the prisoner took it.

RICHARD JOHNSTON . I saw the prisoner take the handkerchief from Mr. Appel's pocket in Fleet-street—I gave information, and Mr. Appel took the handkerchief from the prisoner.

Prisoner. There were other persons standing round the window.


OLD COURT.—Wednesday, October 24th, 1849.

PRESENT—The Right Hon. the LORD MAYOR; Lord Chief Baron POLLOCK; Mr. Justice CRESSWELL; Mr. RECORDER; Mr. Ald. Moon; Mr. Ald. FINNIS; Mr. Ald. CARDEN; and EDWARD BULLOCK, Esq.

Before Edward Bullock, Esq. and the Third Jury.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1873
VerdictNot Guilty > non compos mentis

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1873. (In the case of JOHN WILLIAM BIRD , indicted for unlawfully forging and uttering a certain paper writing, purporting to be a certificate that he was a member of the College of Surgeons, the JURY, upon the evidence of Mr. M'Murdo, surgeon of the gaol, found that the prisoner was not in a state of mind to plead to the indictment.)

Before Mr. Justice Cresswell.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1874
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence; Guilty > lesser offence
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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1874. JOHN MACKENZIE and GEORGE WYLLIE , feloniously wounding Henry Lynch on the face and mouth, with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

MESSRS. CLERK and ROBINSON conducted the Prosecution. HENRY LYNCH (policeman, H 207). On Saturday night, 9th Oct., about ten o'clock, I saw Mackenzie fighting with another man in St. George's-in-the-East—there was a crowd—I took hold of them, and parted them—the other man went away—Mackenzie struck me a blow on the breast with his fist—I took hold of him, and said I should lock him up—he put one of his

legs between mine, and tried to throw me down, but I threw him on the ground—I then took out my rattle; and while in the act of springing it, it was snatched out of my hand by the by-standers—I got Mackenzie as far as Bett-street, and he then tried to throw me down again, and I tripped him up again—while struggling, he put his hand into his right-hand jacket pocket, and took out a clasp knife, and, as he opened it, he said, "I will stab you, you b—;" and I immediately received two stabs in my mouth—he was then on the ground, and I on the top of him—I called out, "I am stabbed!"—one was on the lower and one on the upper lip—my mouth was open at the time, calling for assistance—he then threw the knife away, and Rich came up—when I called out," I am stabbed! "the prisoner Wyllie threw himself on me, and, with a sheath-knife in his hand, attempted to stab me in the breast, but he was prevented by Rich—I saw him make the attempt, but I did not see the knife—Wyllie got away, and we got Mackenzie to the station—after coming from the surgeon's, I went home about an hour after, through Ratcliffe-highway, I apprehended Wyllie, and took him to the station—when we got there, I asked him whether he had got any knife about him—he said, no, some one had taken it from him, and the sheath also. M'Kenzie. Q. Did you see the knife in my hand when you were cut? A. Yes; you opened it, after you pulled it out of your pocket—you struck me first; I did not strike you at all.

TIMOTHY MADDIGAN . I am a boot and shoemaker, and live at St. John's-hill, St. George's-in-the-East. On the night of 9th Oct. I heard a disturbance in George-street, and saw Lynch there struggling with Mackenzie, on the ground—I saw Mackenzie throw away a clasp knife which he had in his hand—it was open—Wyllie caught hold of it, and made a stab at Lynch with it, and he was in a stooping position—after that some constables came up, and overpowered him—he threw the clasp knife away, and took a knife from a sheath that was round his waist by a belt, and made a stab at Lynch with it—Mackenzie said, "Come on, my brave Americans, and do for the b—rs!"—I assisted the constables in getting Mackenzie to the station, and received a kick in the knuckles.

Mackenzie. Q. Did you see Lynch strike me going through a narrow passage? A. No—you called on the crowd to assist you in getting away from the constables, and I consider the constables behaved with the greatest perseverance—I had hold of you by the collar, and you asked if there was any working man would come forward, and I came forward, and said, "I am a working man, and earn my bread by the sweat of my brow; "and you said,

" You are a by Irishman, I won't go with you"—I did not see Lynch strike him in the face.

WILLIAM RICH (policeman). I went to Lynch's assistance—I saw Mackenzie on the ground—I saw him afterwards when he was up—he kicked me in the privates—I saw Wyllie go in front of Mackenzie, lay hold of his hand, and endeavour to rescue him—he was overpowered by Lynch, thrown down, and in the scuffle Lynch fell—Wyllie then threw himself on Lynch—some one called out that he had got a knife in his hand—it appeared to be a sheath knife, about nine inches long—he overpowered me, and made an attempt to stab me, but I drew away from him—he said, "I will stab the br!"—I had nothing to defend myself, and flew into the mob—I met him an hour afterwards, and took him into custody.

THOMAS MEARS . I am surgeon to the H division of police, and live at 52, Brick-lane. On the night of 9th Oct. Lynch came to me, and I found two small incised wounds, one on each lip, just within it, bleeding considerably—they

might have been inflicted by a knife, but not at the same time—one was near one angle, and one near the other—the gums were not injured—I think the knife must have struck against the teeth; they were not injured—theythey were not serious wounds—I do not think it could have been done by a blow on the teeth with the fist.

Mackenzie's Defence. The inside of both lips were cut, and there were no marks on the outside; Wyllie is a complete stranger to me: in going to the station, Lynch said, "You dd rascal, I will pay you for this," and up with his fist, and split my lip open; I said, "Dn you, do you call that a manly fashion, to strike a man when you have got him fast?" Maddigan said, "Yes, you dd rascal, we will soon put you where you will be tried;" I did not have an open knife.

MACKENZIE— GUILTY of an Assault. Aged 27.— Confined Four Months.

WYLLIE— GUILTY of an Assault. Aged 31.— Confined Three Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1875
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1875. CHARLOTTE SPRINGFIELD was indicted for feloniously uttering counterfeit coin, after a previous conviction.

MESSRS. BODKIN and PARNELL conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN CHARLES REYNOLDS . I am second assistant solicitor to the Mint I produce a copy of the record of the conviction of Charlotte Springfield at this Court in March, 1847—I examined it with the original, it is a true copy.

JAMES PIPER (policeman). I was present at the trial—the prisoner is the person who was so tried and convicted.

Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. When did you first see the prisoner with respect to this charge? A. When she was in prison—I had not seen her since the other trial—I had a note from Mr. Powell, requesting me to go and see her—no one went with me—the gentleman at the gate of the prison let me in—I told him who I wanted to see, and he took me to a lady, and the lady showed me—the prisoners were brought out into the yard, and they were in and out of my sight in a minute—they brought her out for me to look at—at first I expressed some doubt about her being the person—I hardly saw her at all, she was no sooner in than she was out—I had not time to make up my mind she was the person I had seen before—I saw her afterwards, a second time on the same day, and recognized her—she was sweeping the yard, her back was towards me, she turned her face towards me, I looked at her, and recognized her directly—that was not more than three or four minutes after I had seen her before—I recognized the wrong woman at first—I pointed some one else out as Charlotte Springfield, because I had not time to recollect her.

MR. BODKIN. Q. You received instructions from Mr. Powell, and went to the gaol in consequence? A. Yes; I saw eight or nine women in the yard, and pointed out the wrong one—I was standing talking to the lady about two minutes, and the prisoner was sweeping the yard, with her back towards me, and she turned round and I stared her in the face and recognized her—I cannot say whether she was one of the eight or nine I had seen before—the lady said, "Which is her?"—I said, "So and so"—"No, "said she," it is not; that is her with the black gown on."

(See New Court, Thursday.) NOT GUILTY .

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1876
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1876. JOHN ROBERTSON alias HENRY ROBERTS , was indicted for feloniously uttering counterfeit coin, having been before convicted.

MESSRS. RYLAND and LAURIE conducted the Prosecution. THOMAS PEARSON . I am a clerk in the City solicitor's office. I produce

a copy of the record of the conviction of a person named Robertson, which I got from Mr. Clark's office—I examined it with the original, it is a true copy—(read—"Convicted on his own confession in Dec, 1846; confined four months.")

WILLIAM NOAKES (policeman, M 104). I was present in Dec. 1846, when the prisoner was tried here with two others for passing two counterfeit half-sovereigns—I think he was found guilty by the Jury—he is the man—he was tried by the name of John Robertson—I did not know him before—I have seen him since—I saw him in custody at the Thames police-station, and I followed him one night for three or four hours with two others.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. This case is not prosecuted by the Mint, I believe? A. No.

SOPHIA BESSINGTHWAITE . I assist my aunt, Mrs. Huggins, a tobacconist, of 105, Bishopsgate-street. On Friday evening, 21st Sept, the prisoner came for half an ounce of tobacco—it came to three—theyhalfpence—he tendered a half-sovereign in payment—I stood it on one side, and asked my aunt for change—she laid the change on the counter—the prisoner then asked me if the tobacco was Maryland—I said it was not, that that was 2 1/2 d.—he said then he would not take it, as it was for a gentleman outside, and he never paid more than three-halfpence—he said he would have his half-sovereign back again—my aunt gave it him—he then said he would take the Maryland, if we would promise to change it if the gentleman should not like it—I promised to change it—he then gave my aunt a bad half-sovereign—she said, "This is not the one you gave me first; this is a bad one"—he said he did not know it—a Mr. Roberts, who was in the inside room, came into the shop, and asked the prisoner where the good half-sovereign was that he bad at first—he said he did not know anything about it—he was then standing in the middle of the shop—two men then came in, one seemed as if he was tipsy, and he shoved Mr. Roberts and the prisoner on one side, as though he wanted to part them—the prisoner then walked towards the door—one of the men called out for some tobacco—I served him—the prisoner went out, and the two men went directly after him, and Mr. Roberts after them—my aunt gave the bad half-sovereign to Mr. Roberts, and he gave it to the policeman.

SARAH HUGGINS . I am the aunt of last witness. On Friday evening, 21st Sept., I and my niece were in the shop, and a friend of mine, Mr. Roberts, was in a small room leading out of the shop—the prisoner came in a little after ten o'clock, asked my niece for half an ounce of tobacco, and tendered a half-sovereign—she laid it on the edge of a cigar-case, and pushed it along to me—I took it up and gave change—I showed it to Mr. Roberts to see if it was good—the prisoner then said, "Is this Maryland tobacco?"—my niece said, "No; Maryland will be 2¼d."—he said, "I never give more than three-halfpence, I had better not take it, for it is for a gentleman in a cab outside; I will take my money again"—I gave him his half-sovereign back—I am positive it was the same—I put it into his hand—he said, "Will you promise to change the tobacco if it is not approved of?"—we said we would—he then took the tobacco, and put a half-sovereign into my hand—I put it on my finger and said, "This is not the one you gave me just now"—I am sure it was not—I bent the half-sovereign on the counter—Mr. Roberts came out directly and stood against the door—I handed it to Mr. Roberts—the prisoner said he knew nothing about it, and tried to get away—Mr. Roberts tried to prevent him, while doing so two men tried to come in, one appeared to be tipsy—he said, "I want some tobacco, let me come in"—he pushed by Mr. Roberts—he was served with some tobacco ready weighed and put up—the

prisoner walked out, and the two men followed him, and Mr. Roberts also—I went outside the door, and saw that the two men went in the same direction as the prisoner.

EDWARD ROBERTS . I am a cabinet-maker, and am landlord of the house 105, Bishopsgate-street, occupied by Mrs. Huggins. On Friday evening, 21st Sept., I was in the back-parlour, and saw the prisoner—Mrs. Huggins brought me a half-sovereign—I looked at it in her hand—it was a good one—I heard an altercation with him, and went into the shop—Mrs. Huggins said the half-sovereign she had got was not a good one—I looked at it—it was bad—I directly went between the prisoner and the door, and asked him where the good half-sovereign was—he appeared confused—two men came pushing in—thinking they were acquaintances of his, I endeavoured to prevent their coming in—one of them pushed past me, and asked for some tobacco, pretending to be tipsy—while he was being served the prisoner walked out—I followed him—I then had the half-sovereign in my hand, which Mrs. Huggins had given me after she had bent it—the other two men followed immediately after me and overtook me—I saw a policeman at the corner of Primrose-street, and hallooed out to him—directly I did so, one of the men pushed between me and the prisoner, and the prisoner instantly ran away and I after him—one of the men said, "What do you want with this man?"—I caught the prisoner, and while struggling with him the policeman Stringer came up, and I gave him into his custody with the half-sovereign.

Cross-examined. Q. Does Mrs. Huggins rent the house of you? A. She has the shop—I know Mr. Huggins—he does not live there—I was in Mrs. Muggins's parlour—I had been there since eight o'clock—I am frequently there—a good many people came in there for tobacco, not to smoke—I work for Messrs. Smee, of Finsbury.

ROBERT STRINGER (City-policeman, 634). I was on duty near Primrose-street, Bishopsgate, on this night, about a quarter past ten o'clock—Mr. Roberts called out, "Hoy!"—I ran towards him—the prisoner ran away directly he saw me—Mr. Roberts caught him, and gave him into my custody with a half-sovereign, which I produce—I asked his name and address—he said, "Henry Roberts, 19, York-street, Paddington"—I could not find such a place.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you search the prisoner? A. I did—I found nothing on him—there is a York-street, Marylebone—I went there—it was a gentleman's house, and a policeman was keeping it—there is no one here from that house.

JOHN KEMPSTER . I am an in-teller in the Bank of England, and have been there twenty-three years—this is a counterfeit half-sovereign.

Cross-examined. Q. How long have you been a witness in these cases? A. Four sessions—I do not know whether it is on the cheap plan—the City have engaged me in this case.

GUILTY . Aged 32.— Transported for Seven Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1877
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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1877. BENJAMIN LAMPARD , feloniously assaulting Thomas Sault, and cutting and wounding him on the head, with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

MR. BRIARLY conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS SAULT . On Tuesday night, 16th Oct., I and the prisoner had been drinking together—we had some brandy and water; as far as my recollection goes, three or four sixpenny worths—we also had about two or three pints of porter—the last place we called at was the Sun public-house—I

believe we had a pint of porter there, and he brought part of it in his hand—I believe it was about one in the morning when we came home—we bad been drinking together for about four hours—we both lodge in the same house—I was intoxicated, but not beastly drunk—my judgment was that the prisoner was considerably soberer than I was—we had drunk from the same glass—when we got home he went up-stairs before me, and I followed him immediately—he sleeps in the front-room on the top floor, and I in the back-room—we proceeded up-stairs, and as far as my recollection goes, when I got within one or two steps of the top landing, he struck me with some blunt instrument, which sounded hollow on my head, five or six times—I said, "Ben, you will murder me in cold blood; what is this for?" and I cried out, "Murder!"—I was stunned, and what happened afterwards till I got to the bottom of the stairs I cannot say—I had given him no provocation whatever—we had had no angry words—I did not stumble on the stairs as I went up—as far as my recollection goes we might have been into three public-houses that night—I believe it was four.

Prisoner. Q. Was I not obliged to lead you home? A. I cannot say—I admit that I was intoxicated—I cannot exactly tell whether I could have found my way home by myself—I followed you up-stairs—you were one or two steps before me, and I followed, walking up in the usual way—you did not go behind me, and push me up.

JESSE BAKER . I am a labourer, and lodge in the same house with the prisoner and prosecutor, at 2, Newnham-place, Bishopsgate-street Without. On Wednesday morning, Oct. 17th, I heard the prisoner and prosecutor come up to the door—Sault refused coming in—the prisoner said, "Come on, old fellow, let us go in doors"—he said, "I shan't"—a policeman came up, and asked what they were doing there—the prisoner said, "We live here"—the policeman said, "Get in doors both of you"—with that they got in and closed the door—Sault refused going up-stairs—the prisoner said, "Oh, non-sense, old fellow, come along up-stairs, and let us go to bed"—he said, "I won't, I shan't, I shall be done brown if I do"—with a great deal of persuasion he went up-stairs—I heard them walk up the first flight of stairs and along the first landing—I heard them go up the second flight, and then heard a great lumbering—I considered they had fallen down—Sault cried out, "Oh, Ben, you have done it, you have murdered me"—with that he ran down—I heard him come about half-way down the last flight of stairs, crying out, "Murder!" and he pitched against the partition of my room—I got out of bed, and putting on my trowsers, I heard the prisoner halloo out, "Mrs. Jones, do pray get up, for Sault is murdered"—I then opened my bed-room door, and saw Mrs. Jones, the landlady, standing on the top of the stairs with a light, and Sault standing with his face and head covered with blood—I asked what he had been doing—he said, "Baker, it is Ben that has done it; Ben has been trying to murder me"—the prisoner came down stairs—I said, "Ben, what have you been doing to the man?"—he said, "Baker, I have been doing nothing; here has been some strange man come into the house, trying to rob us"—I said, "If you did not do it, go and call a policeman in, and he will see who did do it"—he went, and three policemen came—the prisoner produced a pint pot, bent and bloody, and his hands were bloody, and he said that was the thing that did it—one of the policemen said, "Then you struck the man on the head with that pint pot?"—he said, "No, it was some strange man that came in to rob us; he likewise struck at me; I caught it with my two hands and wrenched it out of his hand, and I struck him on the head five or six times as hard as I could strike him, and he has not got

much the best of it"—Sault clasped him by the coat, and said, "This is the villain that did it," and gave him in charge to the police—I saw the blood on his head and face, and two or three wounds on the front part of his head—I did not hear anybody go out of the house, or anybody come in but the prisoner and prosecutor after they came in and closed the door—it was not opened again till I opened it.

WILLIAM HALL (City-policeman, 668). On Wednesday morning, 17th Oct., about two o'clock, I was at this house in Newnham-place—I spoke to the prisoner and prosecutor at the door, and induced them to go in—they went in together—after that an outcry was made, and I was called in—I saw Sault's head and clothes covered with blood—he seized hold of the prisoner, and said, "This is the man that has done it"—the prisoner said he did not do it—I said, "Who has done it?"—he said, "Some strange man"—he then produced a pint pot, which I have here, and said, "This is the thing that has done it"—he said, "Some one attempted to hit me with it, and I took it out of his hand, and hammered away as hard as I could; whoever it was did not get much the best of it"—I then said, "Then you have been hitting Mr. Sault"—I afterwards searched the house, and found no strange person in it—the door was bolted—there was nothing to be found on the staircase or landing calculated to inflict any injury, except the pot produced by the prisoner—there were some old hats there; I have one here which I found on the landing, crushed, as if it had been fallen upon—the prisoner said, "That is a strange hat, it does not belong to any one here; that is the hat of the man that did it"—the prisoner had been drinking, but not so much so as not to know what he was about; he was not so bad as Sault—Sault's trowsers were torn from the fob down to the bottom of the leg.

Prisoner. Q. Was Sault fit to go up-stairs by himself, when you saw him? A. Well, I can hardly say that he was—you came to call me.

WILLIAM ROBINSON . I lodge at 2, Newnham-court, Bishopsgate-street—I have two old hats—this produced is one of them—they were both my property, not belonging to any stranger—I kept them on pegs, outside the first-floor room, for convenience, to make socks for myself and the children.

THOMAS BROWN . I am a surgeon. On Wednesday morning, 17th Oct., I saw the prosecutor at the Bishopsgate police station—he had received contused wounds, they had bled profusely—they were not dangerous in them-selves, unless erysipelas ensued—I dressed them, and have attended him up to now.

Prisoner. Q. Might not the wounds be caused by a fall down stairs? A. Certainly not, unless he came in contact with some edged body—but that could hardly have produced so many wounds: there were five; it might have caused one.

Prisoner. There are one or two nails sticking up on the stairs, which he might have fallen on.

WILLIAM ROBINSON re-examined. There are no nails sticking out—the rails are round at the top and square at the bottom—the stairs wind as you go up.

Prisoner's Defence. The prosecutor took me out about seven o'clock; we were in seven different public-houses and drank in each; in coming home I was obliged to lead him, he was so drunk. I had had scarcely anything, only a little porter. He persuaded me to stop with him till he got home. We went into the Sun to have a pint of porter, and he drank it in the passage, after seeing the policeman; he could not stand on his legs; I had to go behind him up-stairs, to keep him from falling. When we got to the top of the

stairs, I cannot say whether he threw the pot over his shoulder and struck me, or not; but he struck me. I instantly let him go, and he fell down the stairs: I never touched him till he got to the bottom; we had had no words: I had not the least cause to strike him.

GUILTY of an Assault Aged 21.— Confined One Month.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1878
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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1878. JOHN DESMOND , feloniously assaulting William Smith, and stabbing, cutting, and wounding him on the left chest and knee, with intent to resist and prevent his lawful apprehension and detainer.—2d COUNT, with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

MESSRS. RYLAND and LAURIE conducted the Prosecution. WILLIAM SMITH (City policeman, 244). On Sunday afternoon, 7th Oct., about four o'clock, I was on duty in West-street, Smithfield—I passed from John's-court into West-street, facing the end of Sharp's-alley—I there saw the prisoner, he had four or five thick sticks in his hand, similar to the one I produce—he gave two, three, or four to other parties standing by his side, retaining one himself—I passed him, and at the end of Sharp's-alley the prisoner said, "Good morning"—I did not bid him the morning—he then said, "Good night," and flourished the stick about in his right hand, as I was passing him—he came up behind me, holding the stick in his right hand, and said, "I don't care for all the bpolice together;" and with that he aimed a blow at my head, which

I attempted to ward off with my left arm—I knocked the stick out of his hand, and instantly caught him by the collar, and asked what he meant—I told him if he did that again I should take him to the station—I then let him go, and he made a blow at me on my collar, with his right hand, without a stick—I then took him into custody—he threw himself down—a struggle ensued, during which time I was stabbed—I did not see a knife in his hand—I received a slight scar in the neck, on the left hand, the left breast, and also on my knee—the stab in the breast had gone through my uniform body-coat, through my handkerchief doubled up, and two shirts, a linen and flannel shirt—that on my knee went through my trowsers and drawers—a great number of persons were standing round during the struggle; I should say from 120 to 150—the policeman, Savage, came to my assistance, and an officer of the Union—a great number of stones were thrown—the prisoner kicked and struck me very violently—he was taken to the station—I went to the police-surgeon on the Monday, and was under his care two days.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. The wounds were not at all dangerous, were they? A. There was not much blood—the wound in the neck was a cut—I found blood come from it while I was struggling with him—it was a very slight wound—I was never on the ground—the prisoner threw himself down twenty or thirty times—when I told him he might go away if he went quietly, he said he would not for all the bpolice—he had been drinking, but was capable of knowing what he was doing—there was a teetotaller's funeral that afternoon, and a good many people assembled in John's-court—there was a public-house close by, it was not open to my knowledge—there was no woman taken into custody for having scratched me—I merely felt a woman come up behind, and assist in getting him up—I did not discover the stab in the breast till next morning—I discovered the wound in the knee at night, when I undressed—there was not much blood—the prisoner never had the stick again after I pushed it away.

ALFRED SUCH . On Sunday afternoon, 7th Oct., I was standing at my father's door in West-street, Smithfield—I saw Smith, the policeman, standing a little way up Sharp's-alley, and saw the prisoner standing at the corner—he

walked up Sharp's-alley with one of the sticks in his hand—he brandished it behind the policeman's back—he would not take any notice of him—he then went before him and attempted to strike him—the policeman warded off the blow, and desired him to go away, which he refused to do—he then immediately commenced again—with that the policeman took him—there then commenced a terrible scuffle—the prisoner was very violent, and when he got to the end of Sharp's-alley, just into West-street, I observed, as he lay on the ground, that he had a clasp knife in his hand—it was open, and had a largish blade—he brandished it several times before the policeman—I went behind him and seized his arm, and he chucked the knife out of his hand.

Cross-examined. Q. Was the policeman standing over him at that time? A. Yes, and the prisoner was on the ground—they had struggled for six or seven yards—there were a great many persons there—I do not go by the name of Hawkins, and never did—my brother was in the crowd—Howard was there, and Clift—he came to assist—the prisoner was throwing himself down continually, and struggling, pulling, and twisting, as the policeman was endeavouring to get him along—I think he was in liquor, but I imagine he understood what he was about.

JONAS SUCH . I live at 64, West-street, Smithfield. On Sunday afternoon, 7th Oct., I saw the prisoner and Smith scuffling together—the prisoner was underneath—he had thrown himself down—while I stood looking on, a knife flew out of the centre of the crowd and fell at my feet—I picked it up—the prisoner and Smith were in the middle of the crowd—the police afterwards came up, and he was taken into custody—there was a great struggle to get him away—I gave the knife up at the station.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you see any policeman come up and strike the prisoner with his truncheon? A. Yes, the third one—he was kicked on the leg, or something—the policeman struck him a smart blow on the lower part of the leg—he was then on the ground, kicking—I think there were five policemen there at last—some stones were thrown—I did not see any of the other policemen strike the prisoner—I did not observe whether the prisoner was much hurt—I thought he was bruised, from the way in which he threw himself down.

FRANCIS HOWARD . I am warehouse foreman to Messrs. Figgins, type-founders, in West-street—I was in West-street on the Sunday afternoon, and saw Smith and the prisoner struggling together—while so struggling I saw a knife—it came down just against my left foot—it came as if between some person's legs—Jonas Such picked it up—there were a good many persons collected, and a great disturbance going on—I saw the prisoner secured.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you see the prisoner with the stick in his hand? A. I did—he was flourishing it about—he hit the wall with it first—he then walked up to Smith, and shook the stick before him—he had been drinking a little—there was a funeral—there were a good many persons gathered together—I live in Sharp's-alley.

JAMES CLIFT . I am one of the constables of the West London Union. On the afternoon of 7th Oct. I was standing at the door of the Union-house, at the corner of West-street, and my attention was drawn by a yelling and hooting at the corner, and I saw the constable struggling severely with the prisoner, surrounded by a mob of from 120 to 150 persons—he called me to his assistance—I got hold of the prisoner—he said he should take half-a-dozen to take him—another constable came up, and I went to fetch some more constables to convey him to the station, and he was taken—I saw that the constable was hit in the knee—I was kicked by the prisoner myself.

Cross-examined. Q. Was the prisoner on the ground when you saw him?

A. He was—I am now in the employ of the Union—I did not see the knife.

GEORGE BORLASE CHILDS . I am a surgeon, and a fellow of the College, and am surgeon to the City police—I examined Smith on 8th Oct.—he had received three punctured wounds, which were simple in themselves, but very important in regard to their locality—one was situated behind the angle of the left jaw, immediately over the most superficial part of the external carotid artery—one between the second and third ribs, on the left side, close to the breast bone, and the third immediately over the left knee-joint—I consider it a miracle that the man escaped with his life—I only had to attend him a day or two—it was not necessary for him to lay up.

Cross-examined. Q. The wounds were so slight? A. Very slight—the wound in the neck was a punctured wound, it could not be done with a nail—it was about one-eighth of an inch in depth—my impression is, that the thickness of the covering prevented the wound in the chest from taking serious effect—I think the injuries were inflicted with the large blade of the knife—they were all wounds, the skin was divided. (The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY of an Assault, Aged 24.— Confined Six Months.

NEW COURT.—Wednesday, October 24th, 1849.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Fifth Jury.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1879
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1880
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1880. MICHAEL MENDOLWITZ , stealing 2 coats and 1 pair of trowsers, value 24s.; the goods of Samuel Mansford, his master: to which he pleaded GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1881
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1881. JOHN ASHTON , stealing 1 handkerchief, value 4s.; the goods of, Frederick Thomas Pescott, from his person; having been before convicted: to which he pleaded GUILTY . Aged 21.— Transported for Seven Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1882
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1882. EDWARD BARRETT , stealing 1 shilling, 1 groat, and 4 half-pence; the moneys of Caroline Walsh, from her person: to which he pleaded GUILTY .* Aged 17.— Transported for Seven Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1883
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1883. JOHN HAYES , stealing 9 shillings, and 1 metal ring; the property of John Aldridge, from his person; having been before convicted: to which he pleaded GUILTY . Aged 16.— Transported for Seven Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1884
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1884. HENRY STANBRIDGE , stealing 1 cheffionier, value 25l.; the goods of Charles Wilkinson and another; also, unlawfully obtaining 16 yards of Brussels stair-carpet, and other goods, their property: to both which he pleaded GUILTY . Aged 28.— Transported for Seven Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1885
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1885. JOHN SHEARMAN and GEORGE TURNER , burglariously breaking and entering the counting-house of the Edmonton and Tottenham Gas-factory, and stealing 1 cash-box, value 5s.; one half-sovereign, and 24 shillings; the property of William Bartholomew Billet.

JOHN TURNER the elder. I met John Shearman, on 5th Sept.—I said, "You have made a pretty thing for my poor little son Jack"—he said yes, it was a bad job for poor little Jack, he was very sorry for him, for he was not there—my son Jack had been convicted for breaking and entering the place (see page 381)—he said Charley had a good job down the chimney; that he stuck there three hours, and they tied their braces, and put them down to get him up, and they could not; and the dog made a noise, and they were obliged to go away and come again, and then he said, "Will you shove this chimney over?" that they were obliged to leave again for half an hour, and they then got hold of Charley's hand, and got him up; that George had a scuffle with the watchman, and he said he would cut his b—y head off—Shearman said he had left his shoes and hat there.

THOMAS EDWARDS . On 3d Aug. I was employed as a watchman at the Gas-works at Edmonton. Between twelve and one o'clock that night I saw two men on the top of the counting-house—they got away into the back field—I went into the counting-house, and saw the poker and tongs had been moved up to the pressure—I locked the door, and went back again—I then saw John Turner and another man come into the yard—they tried the door and then the office-window—they went into the office—I locked them in—theythey then rushed out—I followed John Turner, and got him down—he said he would cut my by head if I did not let him go—I do not know the prisoners.

ROBERT BILTON . I was reaping in a field—I found some shoes and stockings, and a hat—the hat has not been owned.

ROBERT BUTCHER (police-sergeant, N 37). I know John Shearman; he was in the neighbourhood at the time of the robbery—he left directly afterwards—I was not able to find him till now.

Shearman. I was away before the robbery.

WILLIAM CUMMINGS . I know the prisoners—I saw them together, on the day previous to the robbery, at a public-house where I was potman.

HENRY COOK . I am clerk at the Gas-works at Edmonton. I locked up my cash-box on 3d Aug.—the place was broken open, the cash-box taken, and 34s. in cash.

JAMES WATSON DUKE . I was residing on the Gas-works on 3d Aug.—I saw the watchman and a man scuffling, between two and three o'clock.


29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1886
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1886. JAMES WILLIAMS , feloniously uttering a forged request for two pieces of Irish linen, with intent to defraud Edward Hayter and another.

MR. PAYNE conducted the Prosecution.

ARTHUR HYDE . I am in the employ of Messrs. Hayter and Donaldson, 123, Wood-street, Cheapside. On 5th Oct. the prisoner came to our ware-house, about three o'clock in the afternoon—he spoke to Mr. Hedges, and produced this order—(read—"Southampton-street, Strand, Oct. 17th, 1849. Messrs. Hayter and Donaldson, please send by bearer two pieces of Irish linen, about 1s. 4d. per yard. James Smith, for T. Evans")—Mr. Evans is a customer of ours—I saw the goods delivered to the prisoner, and he took them away.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. YOU have no doubt he is the man? A. No—I am fifteen years of age—if I saw the prisoner once I should not forget him—he had a hat on, and a brown coat buttoned up tight—I am certain he is the man, and I always have been—I saw him again on Thursday, the 11th, at his own lodging—Barnes took me there—he said he did not know if he was the man, but he took me there to see if I could recognize

him—he did not show me any one else at the same time—the person who brought the order signed the book, which is here.

MR. PAYNE. Q. How long was the man in the shop? A. About ten minutes—I had an opportunity of observing him.

EDWARD HAYTER . I have one partner—on 5th Oct. the prisoner brought this order—I saw the goods delivered to him.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you always expressed your opinion with the same certainty? A. Yes; I saw him again at the Compter—he was not pointed out to me—there were ten or twelve other prisoners—I took notice of him when he came—it was about three o'clock—I saw him about the centre of the warehouse, which is lighted by a window in front and a skylight—he had a hat on—he had whiskers, and his hair rather long and straight—he had a dark frock-coat on, buttoned up—he was not particularly well dressed.

MR. PAYNE. Q. Did you observe his features? A. I did—I spoke to him, and had the opportunity of observing him well.

DANIEL BINFIELD . I am porter, in the employ of the prosecutor. I remember this order being brought—I packed the goods and entered them in, the book—this is my entry, and here is the prisoner's signature to it—"John Jones"—I believe the prisoner to be the person, but he appeared to shun me—I could only get a side view of him.

Cross-examined. Q. I think you said before that he resembled the person? A. Yes.

THOMAS EVANS . I live in Southampton-street. I deal with Messrs. Hayter and Donaldson—I had no such person as James Smith in my employ—no person had authority from me to make out this order—the prisoner was never in my service, his son was—I discharged him five weeks previous to the date of this order—his son knew that I dealt with Hayter and Donaldson—he was with me there twice a week—this order is not my writing.

Cross-examined. Q. What did you discharge him for? A. For general misconduct.

Witnesses for the Defence. MARIA MASON. I am the wife of James Taylor Mason, a compositor, of Lamb's Conduit-passage. I know the prisoner and his wife—he lives at 45, Eagle-street—on Friday, 5th Oct., a little after two o'clock, I saw the prisoner in his own room—he is a tailor—I went to see his wife, she has been lately confined—he was doing part of a coat—his son James was in the room—his wife was gone to a situation—she had been confined nine or ten weeks—I remained there till nearly four—the prisoner and his son did not go out all the time I was there.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. How do you know it was the 5th Oct.? A. I expected a lady to tea on the Sunday following, and I got my little girl to do part of the cleaning on Friday, to make it easier for her on the Saturday—I got to the prisoner's a little after two—when I go there I am in the habit of sitting some time—I did not go to where his wife was—I knew she was gone to nurse a gentleman who is deranged—I sat talking about one thing or another—his son was playing with a dog on the bed part of the time, and he had a China inkstand in his hand, and at other times he was sitting on a chair near his father, who was at work—he was not helping his father—I did not have anything to drink, they did not offer me anything—I was talking about my little girl who is afflicted—there was nobody else there but me and the prisoner and his son—the prisoner was sitting on the floor by the window—his son remained in the room all the time—no one else came in—I did not tell the Magistrate this—I went to the Mansion-house

this day-week, bat I said nothing there, they did not ask me anything—the prisoner can write his name—my husband works for Mr. Bell, in the Strand, on the Weekly Messenger—I could not say when I was at the prisoner's before that day—I have seen his wife once or twice since she has been confined—I sat there because I am lame—my foot is very bad—when I sit down I cannot walk again directly.

MARY ANN HANCOCK . I am the wife of Henry Hancock, a carman. We live in the house that the prisoner does—on Friday, 5th Oct., I saw the prisoner several times—I saw him between one and two, and between three and four o'clock—it was my washing-day—I was taking a pail of dirty water down stairs, and as I passed his room I saw Mrs. Mason come out.

JAMES WILLIAMS . I am the prisoner's son. I have been in service as a groom—I am now out of employ, and have been six weeks last Saturday—I was at my father's on the 5th Oct. till four o'clock.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. What were you doing? A. Only sweeping up the place—I recollect Mrs. Mason coming, a little after twoshe staid till near four—I was playing with the dog part of the time—the other time joining in conversation about my mother—I did not give Mrs. Mason anything to drink or to eat—I showed her an ornament—I lived with Mr. Evans ten weeks—I knew he dealt with Messrs. Hayter—I never was in their place, I have been there with him, but I waited outside—I know it was on 5th Oct.—I had been clearing up the place—I know it was on Friday, and I know it was the day Mrs. Mason was there. NOT GUILTY .

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1887
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1887. JAMES EDWARD GREEN, aliasJAMES WENTWORTH , feloniously forging and uttering a promissory note for 60l., with intent to defraud Henry Reynolds.

MR. PRENDERGAST conducted the Prosecution. HENRY REYNOLDS. I am a surgeon, of Cambridge-terrace. On 7th or 8th Aug. the prisoner applied to me to take a house of mine in Saville-row—they I asked him for what purpose he wanted it—he told me he was an engineer, and wanted it for the purposes of his profession, that he was surveyor to the Indian Rail-road, and had just returned from Egypt, where he had been two years, and I should see his survey, but he had lost it in its transit from Egypt to England; that his father was Godfrey Wentworth, of Woolley-park, near Wakefield, and as his father was so well known, he expressed his great surprise that I did not know him; that his name was Wentworth, and in all probability I knew his relation, Lady Augusta Wentworth, who was my neighbour in Connaught-place; that he was also engineer to the Northern County Coal Company, No. 10, Agar-street, Strand, and that he had just returned from Sunderland, where he had been making surveys of their mines, and if I inquired at any banker's in the City they would know his name well, and I should be perfectly satisfied with him—I went into the City, and made inquiry of a friend who was well acquainted with commercial persons—I heard that what he said about his father was correct, that his father had failed in 1825, but the family was quite respectable—I let him my house—theyhe took possession of it on 15th Aug.—he was to pay, for fixtures and improvements, 125l., for which he gave me two promissory notes; this is one of them—they(read)—"London, 10th Sept. 1849, 31, Saville-row. One month after date I promise to pay Mr. Henry Reynolds 60l. for value received. J. Wentworth."—I did not see him sign this note, but I have seen him sign his name—I am sure this is his writing.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. Will you swear he said his name

was Wentworth, and he was the son of Godfrey Wentworth? A, Yes—the fixtures were to be paid for on the day he took possession, the 15th Aug., but he made an excuse that he was short of money, in consequence of having paid his sister's milliner's bill, his sister having gone to Ireland with the Queen—he said he was a father to his sister—from that time till he gave me these notes I made many applications to him—I do not recollect that I asked him to give me these notes—I pressed him to give me some security—I will not swear that the first proposition respecting these notes did not come from me—from 15th Aug. till 8th Sept. he remained in possession of the house—I found afterwards, from the "Court Guide," that Lady Augusta Wentworth was my neighbour in Con naught-place—I knew nothing about it before—after three weeks I sent there to inquire whether they knew such a person as the prisoner, and the servant's reply was that they did not—the prisoner had resided in the house before I made these inquiries—I had inquired in the City of Mr. Whitton, of Crosby-square, a gentleman connected with commercial affairs—I have never been on intimate terms with the prisoner, I received him as a gentleman—I did not ask him to dinner, but he has taken tea at my house two or three times—I think I did not give him any supper—he remained with me till two in the morning once—I introduced him to Mrs. Reynolds—he spent more than one evening with me—I am a homoepathic practitioner—on those occasions that subject was introduced, and that was what detained him so long—there was no discussion—I explained the science—I do not know that the conversation got so warm that I forgot altogether the subject on which the prisoner called upon me, or that he was obliged to recall it to my recollection—at the first interview I had with him he complained of a sore throat—I gave him two globules, two decilions of paregoric, it cured him—he thanked me, and I felt further encouragement to speak on my subject—I did not make any proposition to him about entering into my speculation—he was asked to attend a meeting of the Homoepathic Association, of which I was not then a member—I do not recollect whether that was the only proposition I made to him—I do not know that I have entered into any other speculation—I once lent a man 1,000l.—I have never drawn bills on tenants of mine, or received bills from them—I may almost swear that I never received a promissory note from a tenant of mine—I will not swear that I have not—I do not know Mr. Brandon—to the best of my knowledge I never did—no one of that name ever took a house of me—I swear I never solicited a former tenant to give me a bill of exchange—the prisoner entered into possession on the faith of the representation he made to me—he did not give me these two notes at my request—I objected to take them—I had requested him before to give me security because I had my doubts about him—Messrs. Cubitts called on me to make inquiries about him; that first raised my suspicions—I told them I had considered him a respectable man, but it was true he had not paid me the 135l., and on the following Saturday I urged him to give me the means of identifying his respectability, or security for the 185l.—he then offered me two bills—he referred me to Mr. Vill, to Jones, Loyd, and Glyn and Co.—he said, "They will identify my name, and discount the bills"—I went to Mr. Vill, and he said he did not know him—I afterwards got the bills.

WILLIAM FRAZER . I am a tailor, and live in Bond-street. I know the prisoner—I knew him in 1840, and for several years before that, by the name of Green, and up to within a very few months.

Cross-examined. Q. How long has he gone by the name of Wentworth? A. About 14th Aug.—I might have known him by that name before—I

have a memorandum here of July 4th—I believe I knew him by that name then—I cannot say that I did before.

MR. PRENDERGAST. Q. How did you know him then? A. He called, and said, "Mr. Frazer, you know how I am situated; I am going to change my name"—I said, "You will find that very awkward"—he said, "No, my friends are going to advance me a sum of money, and that will do it"—I knew he had been in gaol, but I did not know that he had then just come out—directly after he got into this house he gave the name of Wentworth—he wrote his name and address about 11th Sept.—that was of the house in Saville-row—he wrote it in a book, or left a card.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you your address-book here? A. Yes—Ido not see any memorandum on 11th May—the first entry in his writing is on 5th July.

MR. E. I. JONAS. I have known the prisoner twice in custody here, in the name of Green—the last occasion was in 1847—he went to the House of Correction, in Coldbath-fields, for two years—the first time he was in this gaol for twelve months.

GEORGE HOARE . I am deputy-keeper of the house of Correction. The prisoner was in my charge for two years, in the name of James Edward Green—he was discharged on 9th May, 1849.

Witness for the Defence. EMMA HARWOOD. I have known the prisoner since 9th May, the day he was discharged from prison—he went by the name of Wentworth—he employed me as his servant—I have known him from then to the present time, going by the name of Wentworth—all the bills have been paid in that name.

Cross-examined by MR. PRENDERGAST. Q. Did you go to meet him on 9th May? A. No, I saw him with a friend—I did not know him before then—I did not know him by the name of Green—I knew him before he was convicted. GUILTY . Aged 34.— Transported for Fifteen Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1888
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Transportation; Transportation

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1888. GEORGE BARTON , WILLIAM BARTON , and HENRY HANBURY , stealing 3 skins of parchment, value 13l. 10s.; 1 piece of paper, 1l. 10s.; 22 sheets of paper, 2s.; and 1 strap, 1s.; the goods of Benjamin Worthy Horne, and others, in the dwelling-house of John Swarbeck Gregory, and others; George Barton having been before convicted.

MESSRS. CLARKSON, BODKIN, and HUDDLESTON conducted the Prosecution.

HENRY WISE . I am clerk to Mr. Charles Hassell, an attorney, of Bristol. On 26th Sept. I packed up and sealed a parcel addressed to Lepard and Co., and put in course to go by the Great Western Railway—this is it—(opening it)—it contains an assignment of leasehold premises with a 9l. stamp on it, two skins of parchment with a 1l. stamp on each, and a paper with a 30s. stamp on it.

ROBERT BRUCE CORAM . I am clerk to Messrs. Predo and Son, solicitors, of Bristol. On 26th Sept. I made up this parcel (produced), and sent it to Messrs. Horne, Loftus, and Young, our agents in London—it contained Chancery proceedings, not stamped; they were worth 4l. or 5l.; and there were twenty-four sheets of paper, worth 2s.

WILLIAM DAVY . I am porter to Benjamin Worthy Horne and Co.—there are three partners—I attend at the Paddington terminus to receive parcels from the railway and deliver them in London—I have been employed so twelve months—the lawyers' parcels are smaller than the others, and are wrapped in cartridge-paper, and occasionally tied with pink tape—I have been in the habit of delivering parcels at the office of Gregory, Faulkner, and

Co., of Bedford-row—the laundress there is Mrs. Coombs—I generally left most of my parcels with her while I delivered a few in Bedford-row—I generally went there first, but not always—any one on the watch might have seen me do so—they were secured by a large strap, by which I carried them on my shoulder from the van at the corner of Brownlow-street—about a fortnight before 27th Sept. I saw George Barton, at the corner of Bedford-row, with some parcels secured by a strap—I thought he was porter to a railway, the same as myself, and asked him if he wanted Gregory's office—he said, "No, I want Parker, Hayes, and Parker"—that is in Lincoln's-inn-fields—that was all that passed between us—I left my parcels at Gregory and Faulkner's that day, and he might have seen me—on 27th Sept. I had twenty-four lawyers' parcels to deliver, City-way—there was one for Horne, Loftus, and Young, and one for Lepard and Co.—I went in my van to the corner of Brownlow-street, and went up Brownlow-street with them to Gregory and Faulkner's—I took out the two parcels, and left twenty-two with Mrs. Coombs, on the form in the hall—I took two parcels to the names of Algar and of Stevens, in Bedford-row—I was absent ten minutes or a quarter of an hour—I returned to Gregory and Faulkner's, and found this bundle of parcels and book (produced) instead of mine—the hook is smaller, but a great deal like mine—I gave information at the George and Blue Boar—Mrs. Coombs delivered me a separate parcel with the book, and gave me some directions—I had not authorized anybody to substitute, and was not aware that any one had substituted parcels for mine—it was between eight and nine o'clock in the morning.

Cross-examined by MR. COCKLE. Q. Had you ever seen George Barton before the first day you mention? A. No.

SARAH COOMBS . I have attended to Messrs. Gregory and Faulkner's offices, Bedford-row, nearly ten years—Davy was in the habit of leaving his parcels on a seat in the hall of a morning, sometimes—he did so on 27th Sept.—they were strapped together by a leather strap—soon after he left, George Barton came, and said, "Has my fellow-servant from the Great Western Railway been here?"—I said, "A young man from the Great Western Railway has been here; those are his parcels; he had nothing for us this morning; perhaps you have got something for us?"—he said he had nothing for me—he had a book and a small parcel in his hand, in brown paper, with seals on it, and some red tape—these are them—(produced)—he said, "The young man has got the wrong bundle; give him this parcel (laying the book on it), and tell him to deliver it as soon as he can, and meet me at the George and Blue Boar, for I am in a hurry to deliver my parcels"—he took Davy's parcels on his shoulder with his strap, as though he was going to deliver them, and went down Brownlow-street—in about ten minutes Davy returned, and I told him what had happened, and what the young man said about meeting him at the George and Blue Boar—next evening I saw Smith, the officer, and described George Barton to him—I did not then know that he was in custody.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you ever seen him before? A. Never, to my knowledge—I said he was a very fair young man, with a cap, and his hair very light, and very light eyes, and had something the matter with his nose.

William Barton. Q. What time was it? A. A quarter or half-past eight ours is not a dark place inside—the door was open.

CHARLES THOMAS RATTENBURY . I am clerk to Messrs. Gregory and Faulkner—there are four partners—Mr. Gregory's name is John Swarbeck Gregory—the housekeeper sleeps in the house, which is in the parish of St. Andrew, Holborn.

THOMAS SAUNDERS . I am a cabinet-maker. I have known William Barton nearly four months, and Hanbury eight or nine weeks—about the middle of Aug. I was engaged with them in making up these parcels—about six or seven weeks before 27th Sept., Barton and I met in the morning by appointment—he pointed out to me a man who carried parcels, who had left a van at the corner of Brownlow-street, and took the parcels to Gregory and Faulkner's—he left them there while he went elsewhere—Barton said, "Do you think you can make up anything like that, Tom?"—I said, "I don't know, I will try"—he said, "If you can, there will be at least 50l. or 100l. a piece for us"—I went with him to see that, fourteen or fifteen times, to see whether he would continue to leave them there or at any fresh place—he did not explain what it was for until the last time—I afterwards met him by appointment at Lee-street, Burton-crescent, and went to Hanbury's lodging in Hart. street, Covent-garden, to make up some parcels—he gave me 3d. to buy some cartridge-paper, I bought two damaged sheets, which came to 21l. 2d.—they had plenty of brown paper—(the day before that Barton gave me 1d. to purchase a piece of lawyer's narrow tape, I got it at Howitt's in Holborn, and gave it to Barton, we then separated, and made the appointment for the next day)—I had never been to Hanbury's before—he lodges in the first-floor front room—directly we saw Hanbury, "William Barton pulled out a book, like this produced, and said, "I think this will do, Harry, will it not?"—Hanbury said, "Yes, this is something like it"—he had given it to me to write on, and I wrote on it, "Great Western Railway-office, 1849, packet-book"—we then proceeded to make up parcels—Hanbury cut a piece of wood shorter, which was rather too long, and Barton pulled some list out of his pocket to make it look larger; this is it with the list on it (opening it)—they were folded over and made into parcels by each of us; these are the dummies I made—five or six parcels were fastened together by string, three with the red tape, and one was sealed with this seal, which Hanbury produced, and at Barton's suggestion I directed it to Evelyn and Louth, civil engineers, Guild-ford-street—these two dark seals were put on it, in my presence—Barton melted the wax—here are two seals on it which I know nothing about—this is the piece of wax which was used (produced)—it was joined together by Hanbury, in my presence—Barton produced a strap like this (produced), and gave it to Hanbury, who strapped eight parcels together, and one was kept loose—they were then put away, and Hanbury was to meet me and Barton at the Robin Hood in Holborn on the following morning, when Hanbury was to bring them to me to be changed for the parcels which would be left at Gregory and Faulkner's—after we had made up the parcels, we three went to a public-house in Long Acre, next to King-street, I do not know the sign, and had a pint of porter and half-a-quartern of gin—on the morning the tape was purchased, and on the next morning also, we called at the Hand-in-Hand public-house, at the corner of Hand-court, a very little way from Gregory and Faulkner's—on the first morning the man did not leave the parcels; Barton looked out, and said he had seen three or four policemen about, and he thought it would not do—the parcels were brought in a basket, which Hanbury brought, with a saw and a hammer peeping out at each end, to make it look like a tool-basket—I was taken to the workhouse that day, having no means of providing for my wife and family, and I wanted to carry on this thing as far as I could, and then go to the workhouse—I have seen Barton twice since; once in the workhouse, about a fortnight afterwards, and once in the street—I was afterwards taken in the workhouse by a policeman, on suspicion of stealing some things from my furnished lodgings—about a

month afterwards I heard that this robbery was discovered, I saw it in the newspaper, I got over the workhouse-wall, went to the Great Western Rail-way, and communicated with Mr. Collard's clerk—Mr. Collard did not know where to find me before that.

Cross-examined. Q. Where did you last work as a cabinet-maker? A. At Mr. Perrin's, in Wells-street, Oxford-street, twelve months ago—I was there ten weeks—I have since parted with my clothes and furniture, to maintain myself—I was at another situation, with Mr. Matthew, two years,

William Barton. Q. Did you ever keep a house in Orange-street? A. Yes—I did not swindle anybody there—I have been locked up at Clerkenwell once during the last three months—I was not charged with stealing two workboxes, and selling the duplicates.

Hanbury. Q. How many times have you seen me in your life? A. Not above four or five times.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Have you ever been charged with any offence before a Magistrate, except for robbing your lodgings? A. Yes; with stealing two duplicates, but I was discharged, as I also was for robbing the lodgings—I have never been convicted in any Court.

MARY RYAN . I am servant to Mr. Howell, of the Hand-in-Hand public-house, Holborn. I have seen Saunders, William Barton, and Hanbury there, about four times—they generally came from nine to ten o'clock in the morning—to the best of my belief I saw them there a day or two before I heard of the robbery; they stopped about an hour—on the next morning I saw the two Bartons there; the father had a basket, like a carpenter's.

PRISCILLA NASH . In Sept. last I had charge of the Hand-in-Hand public-house, in the absence of Mrs. Howell. I was there about seven weeks; until about Michaelmas—I have seen the three prisoners there, and have also seen Saunders, but not with them—I remember George Barton calling for a cake which he had left there—I have seen Hanbury with a basket, which appeared like a carpenter's basket—I saw a saw in it—William Barton wore a white blouse.

SAMUEL WALKER . I am principal porter at Lincoln's-inn, and know William Barton's person very well. On Thursday, 27th Sept., about half-past eight or a little before nine o'clock, I saw him in Chancery-lane, passing Lincoln's-inn gateway, towards Fleet-street; I watched him as far as Carey-street; he wore a white blouse—I bad seen him several times before in that week—on Monday and Tuesday he wore the brown coat which he now wears; on Wednesday he had a white blouse under it; and on the Thursday he had a white blouse only—on the Monday he returned to the corner of Cursitor-street, walking backwards and forwards, as if waiting for somebody.

William Barton. I was waiting to see Mr. Moulton, the law-stationer; do not you know that he is a brother-in-law of mine? Witness. I do not.

ALFRED MILLER . I am in the service of Mr. Howitt, haberdasher of Holborn—I know this piece of red tape by the private mark—it was sold at our house for 1d.

WILLIAM SMITH (policeman, E 50). On Friday, 28th Sept., I took George Barton in the street, close to Clarendon-square, Somers-town—I said I wanted him, on suspicion of stealing twenty-two parcels from Gregory and Faulkner's, Bedford-row—he said, "Very well, 1 can go"—on that evening I received these nine dummy parcels from a young man in Chaplin and Horne's emplo'y—I saw Mrs. Coombs that day, at her lodging at Robert-street—she gave me a description of the person who took the parcels—that was after I had taken George Barton, but before she saw him—I had

not described him to her—she described him to me, as we went to the station—her description corresponded with him; on his first examination he was dressed different to what he is now; he had an old brown coat, the same as he had when taken—on the second examination he was dressed somewhat as he is now, but he had the coat in the box with him—Mrs. Coombs was examined, on the first examination, against George Barton only—his father was in the Court—I took Hanbury on the 10th, at his lodging in Hart-street, Covent-garden—(I had not then taken William Barton—Mr. Collard took him next morning)—I found this seal and sealing-wax in a desk at Hanbury's lodging—I have comparedt he seal with the seals on this parcel, and believe they were made with it—I saw Saunders previous to Hanbury and Barton's apprehension, and he communicated with me and Mr. Collard, and described the fabricated parcels—he had no opportunity of seeing them before giving that description—his description corresponded with the parcels, and also with the book—Hanbury's room was in a very filthy state, there was a tremendous quantity of bugs, and I found bugs in the parcels—I found a quantity of brown paper there and this basket (produced)—I found this receipt on him—(read—"Received, Oct. 4th, of Mr. Barton, one guinea, retainer for Mr. Pelham.—JOHN TOZER."—Mr. Pelham was George Barton's solicitor. JOSEPH COLLARD. I am principal police-officer of the Great Western Railway—I took the elder Barton, I have known him several years, sometimes by the name of Edward Barton and Burton—I have heard him call himself "Ned"—I was with Smith when he searched Hanbury's lodging, and saw him find this seal and wax in a desk—I found this bill of exchange (produced).

WILLIAM COLE . I live at 2, Draper's-place, Burton-crescent, and know William Barton and Hanbury. On 10th Oct. I met Barton in a public-house in Union-street, Somers-town, by accident—he said he wanted me to come to Newgate at the time of his son's trial, to try to prove that his son was in my company with others in Covent-garden, at the time the Great Western Railway robbery took place, and 1 should be very well satisfied—I said, "Very well, "I would consider of it, and informed Smith the policeman next morning—Barton told me that if, after the boy had had his trial, Chaplin and Home did not come down with some money, they would write to the persons that the parcels came from—I had seen him previous to that, at the same public-house, on 29th Sept., and he said, "We have the parcels safe enough, Cole, and it will cost them twopence-halfpenny to get them back again"—I have seen Hanbury with Barton once or twice.

William Barton. Q. What are you? A. A greengrocer—it is twelve months since I was in business—I have once been employed by Mr. Bloomfield, a house-agent—I do not know Jack Hands—I know the Britannia, Bishopsgate-street—I work for a man who uses that house—I have pawned watches for him, I cannot say how many—not 200—I did not offer you any watches to pawn that morning—your other son had one—I have given this son watches to pawn—I am a regular duff—I have kept two beer-shops—I paid the rent of the last one—I have never been a witness to prove an alibi—I was not connected with Saunders in robbing a lady of half a sovereign—when you met me, I said I was going to St. Albans, and you said you were going to Edmonton—I did not say I was going to lumber a couple of watches.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. He knew what sort of a person you were before he asked you to prove an alibi? A. Yes.

RICHARD LELAND . I am acquainted with William Barton, and have seen Hanbury once at the Eastnor Castle, Somers-town, with Barton and two young men, in conversation—they whispered, but I heard partly what they said—Barton said he was to be at a certain place at six o'clock in the morning, before the houses were open; that he went, and as soon as the houses were open, had something to drink, and came out and said, "It is too early for the job this morning, it must be put off"—and while he was speaking, up came the parcels—I heard him repeatedly say, "We have got the parcels safe enough;" and that Mr. Collard had offered him money for them, and also Mr. Dawson, who had something to do with the Great Western, but he refused it, as it was not enough, and there was 30s. arrears with Mr. Dawson on the last account, and that he had told Chaplin and Horne that if they hurt his son, he would hurt them, and if his son was transported he would burn the parcels.

William Barton. Q. You said, at the last examination, that you had two 5l. notes at the public-house—have you said so to-day? A. No—I said I owed a man 30s., and you said you put the drawers on one of the parcels—a party asked what the drawers were, and you said, "Drawing on, account."

THOMAS HUTCHINS . I am street-keeper of Bedford-row. About six weeks ago I saw George Barton standing at the top of Bedford-row with a basket like a carpenter's, about half-past nine o'clock in the morning, talking to another lad—the basket was on the pavement—when he saw me he took it up and walked away—I have seen him in Bedford-row three or four times since, looking about him—he was about fifty yards from Gregory and Faulkner's offices.

RICHARD SHEHAN . I am gatekeeper of St. Pancras' Workhouse—Saunders has been an inmate there four or five weeks, and is so now—William Barton came there to see him on Wednesday, 10th Oct.—he was not permitted to do so, by the rules of the house—he asked to leave something, and did so—it was given to Saunders.

William Barton's Defence. Cole and Saunders are regular thieves and house-breakers, and this is a made-up concern altogether.

Hanbury's Defence. I never saw Cole or Saunders in my life—I have beeu twenty-two years in one situation, and was never confined before.

JOHN MOORE (policeman, N 212). I produce a certificate of George Barton's conviction—(read Convicted March, 1848, of stealing meat, confined three months)—he is the person—I was present—he has been convicted since that, and had three months.

GEORGE BARTON— GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Six Months. WILLIAM BARTON— GUILTY .— Transported for Fifteen Years. HANBURY— GUILTY .— Transported for Seven Years.

OLD COURT.—Thursday, October 25th, and Friday, October 26th, 1849.

PRESENT—The Rt. Hon. the LORD MAYOR; Lord Chief Baron POLLOCK; Mr. Justice MAULE; Mr. Justice CRESSWELL; Sir PETER LAURIE, Knt., Ald.; Mr. Ald. FAREBROTHER; Mr. Ald. COPELAND; Sir WILLIAM MAGNAY, Bart., Ald.; Mr. Ald. HOOPER; Mr. Ald. FARNCOMB; Mr. Ald. WILLIAM HUNTER; Mr. Ald. CHALLIS; Mr. Ald. SIDNEY; Mr. Ald. FINNIS; Mr. Ald. CARDEN; and EDWARD BULLOCK, Esq.

Before Lord Chief Baron Pollock and the Fourth Jury.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1890
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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1890. FREDERICK GEORGE MANNING and MARIA MANNING were indicted for the wilful murder of Patrick O'Connor.—They were also charged on the Coroner's inquisition with the like murder.


conducted the Prosecution. MR. BALLANTINE applied to the Court, on behalf of the female prisoner, on the ground of her being an alien, to award her a Jury de medietate linguae.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL resisted the application, and contended that the prisoner being the wife of a British-born subject, was not entitled to the Jury prayed for (see 7 and 8 Vic., c. 66, s. 16); and that even were she not the wife of a natural-born subject, yet being indicted jointly with a person who was a British subject, she would not be so entitled (see Barr's case, in Moor's Reports, letter e, page 8, and 2 Dyer's Reports, page 364).

MR. BALLANTINE stated that his application was founded on 6 Geo. IV., c. 50, s. 47, which preserved the rights granted by the statute of 28 Edmard III., and which rights were not to be annulled by the 7 and 8 Vic. (see "1st Comyn's Digest," letter d, page 540, relating to denizens.)

MR. PARRY (who was permitted to follow on the same side) urged that the privilege conferred upon an alien by the statute of Edward 3, could not be taken away by implication, or by anything but by express enactment; and the only way in which an alien could divest herself of that status would be by the consent of the Government of the country to which she belonged (see 2 Barnewall and Cresswell, page 779).

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL submitted, that the rights intended to be preserved by 6 George IV, were civil and personal rights only, and not the rights of a status. After some consideration, The

LORD CHIEF BARON gave judgment as follows: It appears to me that the statute of Victoria is an answer to the application. I forbear going into the other answer offered, on the authority of the decision in the Exchequer. I should not like to adopt hastily, and without much more consideration, the decision there given, as applicable to the present case; and if it rested upon that alone, I should certainly desire further time to consider; but it appears to me that the statute of Victoria is a complete answer to the application. By that statute, the wife of a natural-born subject becomes naturalized. The expression of the statute is, 'any woman married,' that is, already married, or 'who shall be married to a natural-born subject, or person naturalized, shall be deemed and taken to be herself naturalized, and have all the rights and privileges of a natural-born subject.' The obvious, plain, and natural inference from that, appears to me to be, that she should be considered exactly as if she had been naturalized by Act of Parliament, or as if she had been a natural-born subject; and the question then is, whether she can now claim a Jury de medietate linguae for herself, it being clear that her husband, who is a natural-born subject, cannot be tried by a Jury so constituted. The reason of the Court pausing for the moment, was for the purpose of obtaining what appeared to be a precise authority upon that point. There is, in Bacon's Abridgment, an authority to this extent: 'It hath been holden that denizens, so made by letters patent, are denizens within the meaning of this statute.' If that case had been before us, with that authority, it appears to me a fortiori a person made a denizen, or rather naturalized by Act of Parliament, would be, within the intent of the statute, a natural-born subject. The language of the Statute of Edward (and all that the modern statute does, is to leave the rights created under that statute unimpaired) is,"that in all manner of inquests and proofs to be taken or made among aliens and denizens, although

the King be party. "Well, now the question is, whether this be an issue to be taken between our Sovereign Lady the Queen and two persons, one of whom is a denizen, or natural-born subject, and the other an alien? The statute says, that Maria Manning is a natural-born subject, is to be deemed and taken to be naturalized; and I find it laid down in Hawkins in these words: 'It is holden that by denizens in this state, are meant not only those that are born within the King's dominions, but also those that are made denizens by the King's letters patent.' It is said that the statute intended to confer privileges, and to create new rights, but not to take away any privilege which existed before; and that was the whole scope of Mr. Parry's argument, not unentitled to some attention; but it appears to me that the answer to it is this, the status of the party is altered; all the privileges that were intended to be preserved are personal, as the learned Attorney-General pointed out with reference to the 14th section of the statute; there, all the personal privileges belonging to an individual are pre-served, but the privilege of being tried by a Jury de medietate linguae is not the individual personal privilege of the prisoner; it is the privilege of the status to which the prisoner belongs,—it is being an alien: ceasing to be an alien, she ceases to have that privilege, and it is not necessary to take that privilege away by express words; it is sufficient to alter her status: the moment she ceases to be an alien, the inquest to be taken, ceases to be an inquest between our Sovereign Lady the Queen and an alien; it is now an inquest between our Sovereign Lady the Queen and two persons, her natural subjects, and therefore the trial must be conducted in the ordinary way by a Jury of the country."

HENRY BARNES (policeman, K 256). In consequence of information I received on Friday, 17th Aug. last, I went with Burton to No. 3, Miniver-place, Bermondsey—the house was empty—I examined and searched it—Burton had opened the door with a key which he had in his possession—in the back kitchen my attention was attracted by a damp mark between the edges of two of the flagstones—I had heard that O'Connor was missing at that time—with Burton's assistance I removed the stones—there was mortar first under the stones, and then earth—the two stones appeared to have been recently removed—I proceeded to remove a portion of the earth—when I had got down about a foot, 1 discovered the toe of a man, and when I got about eighteen inches down, I discovered the loins of a man, the back of a man—at that time I had sufficiently removed the earth to ascertain the position in which the body was lying—it was lying on the belly, and the legs were brought back and tied up round the haunches with a strong cord, such as I should think was used as a clothes-line, about the size of a clothes-line—it was quite naked—I proceeded to remove more earth, and at length found the head and other parts forming the entire body—the body was embedded in slack lime—whilst I was doing this, Mr. Lock-wood, a surgeon, came in—I had then removed sufficient earth to show him the loins of the man—whilst the body was lying on the earth, Mr. Lockwood removed from the head a set of false teeth—the head was lower in the ground than the other parts of the body—I did not examine the bead closely, and did not see whether anything had happened to it—I removed the body from the hole, and removed it into the front kitchen—it was then examined in my presence by Mr. Lock wood and Mr. Odling, another surgeon—a person named Flynn came in before the body was removed from the hole; he also had an opportunity of examining the body—the body remained in the front kitchen on the night of the 17th and the day of the 18th, until an inquest was held—on the same day, the 17th, I went with Mr. Flynn to 21, Greenwood-street, Mile End-road—I there saw a box—it was sealed, but not locked—it had

been forced by Mr. Flynn on the 13th, in my presence—I am speaking of the outer box or trunk—in that box I found a cash-box, containing some IOU's and memorandums, but no cash—the papers were under the three top compartments, which were quite empty.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Tell me, as near as you can, what were the dimensions of the flag-stones? A. One was about two feet square, and the other about three feet long and two feet wide—they were thick heavy stones—I lifted them with a crow-bar—my brother constable, Burton, went out and borrowed one of some neighbour—the soil underneath was wet, it was maiden earth, such as would be filled in at the foundation of a house, lime-core, and clay—I am well acquainted with the premises—there is a small garden at the back—as you enter at the street-door you go into a passage, the front parlour is on the right-hand side—the front kitchen is under the front parlour, and the back kitchen under the back parlour—you have to go down stairs to get to the kitchen—there are houses on each side—they are small houses, of six rooms; two sleeping rooms, two parlours, and the kitchens—I cannot tell the nature of the partitions between the houses—I cannot say whether you can hear persons moving about and speaking in the adjoining houses; there were so many persons in the house, and so much bustle, that I did not try it.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. YOU say you removed the stones with a crow-bar, could you move them yourself? A, I used the crow-bar, and after that the shovel.

Q. Was it necessary to have more than one person to lift the stone? A. I held the crow-bar, and Burton held the stone up with a boat-hook while I raised it with the crow-bar, so that the two held it up.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. YOU say, in point of fact, that you and Burton acted together in removing the flag-stone, could you have removed the flag-stone yourself? A. Yes, quite easily.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was the mortar wet? A. Quite wet.

JAMES BURTON (policeman, 272). On Tuesday evening, 14th Aug., I went to the house in Miniver-place—a gentleman named Mead and Mr. Keating were there first—they got the key of a neighbouring house, and went in in that way, and then let me and Barnes in—I accompanied Barnes down to the back kitchen—we did not find the body on that evening—on that occasion I entered with a key which I had in my pocket, and let Barnes in—I went down into the back kitchen with him—I saw the stones removed from the floor and the body found—the size of the opening from which the body was taken was five feet long and two feet across, and between two and three feet deep—Mr. Bainbridge did not come in on that Friday—I went away before the body was taken out of the hole, so I could not say who came in—I did not see any shovel there; the things were all removed on the 15th—I saw Mr. Lockwood and Mr. Olding there—the body was removed into the front kitchen, and there seen by them.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. What was the date when you first went? A. On the 14th, accompanied by Mr. Keating, Mr. Mee, Mr. Parker, and John Wright, a constable—on that occasion I found twenty-eight or thirty pices of linen there—it was not new, but clean linen, piled up on shelves in a cupboard in the front kitchen, as if it had been washed—they were clean and doubled up—there were boxes in the house with a very few things in them—they were trunks, not travelling-cases or boxes such as goods are sent in—I did not see any of those—I found a shovel in the back kitchen; it is here—the broker took it away on Wednesday morning, the 15th—there were a

few shrubs, and different things growing in different parts of the garden—there were some scarlet-runners quite at the bottom of the garden.

SAMUEL MEGGITT LOCKWOOD . I am a surgeon, residing in Winter-terrace, Newington. On 17th Aug. I went to the house, 3, Miniver-place, in consequence of something I had heard in the course of that morning—I found the constables Barnes and Burton in the house—I went into the back kitchen—Barnes was there, I am not certain of Burton—there were two slabs removed, and he was taking away the dirt from the hole—a portion of both the feet were uncovered at the time I arrived—I saw the body entirely uncovered—the heels were bent back to the haunches, and tied down in that position, not across the loins, but across the thighs—before the body was removed from the hole I took from the mouth a set of false teeth—the body was removed into the front kitchen—Mr. Olding, another surgeon, was there at the time—he afterwards cut the cords with which the body was tied—that was at the post mortem—when the body had been removed into the front kitchen, I examined the head; there was a small protuberance over the right eye, it was hard and moveable, I cut down upon it, and found it to be a pistol-bullet or slug, which I produce; there was an aperture in the skull under the bullet, a little to the right of it, it was directly in the middle over the right eye, over the frontal bone; the bullet was perhaps an inch, or not quite so much, under the integuments, it had not come through—at the back part of the head I felt some very extensive fractures—I could not trace the course of the bullet on account of the extensive fractures behind, and also on account of the decomposition of the brain; in fact, it was nearly fluid—I am not aware what number of fractures there were on the head—there were sixteen pieces of bone removed—there were a great many wounds on the head—the wounds, I should suppose, were not produced by a blunt instrument, it must have been something sharp—they were incised wounds—they might have been produced by the end of a crow-bar or chisel—they were contused wounds as well as incised—they would be produced by such an instrument as I saw produced at the Southwark Police-court—that was a round bar of iron, with one end of it made like a chisel—the fractures were quite sufficient to have caused death, and no doubt the wound from the bullet would eventually have caused death—Mr. Olding made a post mortem examination in my presence—he examined the intestines and other organs, and they appeared perfectly healthy—the brain was perfectly decomposed.

CHARLES SLOW . I am summoning-officer of the Coroner's Court. I produce a set of false teeth, which I received from Mr. Lock wood.

MR. LOCKWOOD re-examined. I gave these teeth to Slow—I took them from the body of O'Connor.

WILLIAM COMLEY . I am a dentist, and reside in Osborne-street, White-chapel. I knew Patrick O'Connor, the deceased, as a patient—I sold this set of false teeth to him.

PIERCE WALSH . I knew the deceased O'Connor. On 17th Aug. last I went to 3, Miniver-place, Bermondsey—I did not get in that day, and went again the next day, I then saw the dead body of Patrick O'Connor lying in the back kitchen—it was the same Patrick O'Connor who was a gauger of the Customs, and lived at 21, Greenwood-street, Mile End-road—I had known him since 26th of last April, and had been frequently in his company—I saw him alive on 8th Aug.—I was with him at his lodgings, and accompanied him from there to Manning's house, 3, Miniver-place—I had been with him there before—Mrs. Manning let us in—it was about a quarter to ten o'clock—Mr. Manning was at home—we sat together for some time—after sitting

together some time, Mrs. Manning asked O'Connor why he did not come to dinner that day, saying, "We kept dinner waiting an hour; did you not get my note?"—O'Connor said he did not—I then remarked, perhaps it may have been late when you posted the letter, and he could not have received it at the hour he left the Docks, which was four o'clock, and she then said it was two, and he would get it to-morrow—O'Connor then said, "Mr. Walsh has got the balance of the bill to-day"—he said it was Mr. Pitt's bill, for which execution had been taken out by the officers of the Court in Charles-square, Hoxton—Mrs. Manning then asked, would he proceed against Pitt for the other three bills?—O'Connor said he would—nothing had been said before about these three bills—O'Connor and Mr. Manning then commenced smoking a pipe and talking on different subjects, and after O'Connor had smoked some time he became faint, and sat on the sofa, and then Mr. and Mrs. Manning got some brandy and water—he got the brandy, and she went for the water—O'Connor did not take any—after a short time he recovered from the fainting, and he and I left about a quarter past eleven—I went with him as far as Leman-street, Commercial-street, Whitechapel, on his way home, and we parted there at nearly twelve—he was in very good health then—I never saw him again till I saw his body on 18th Aug., as I have described—as far as I had an opportunity of observing, the Mannings were as friendly with him as brothers could be—his conversation could not have been addressed to Manning, because she spoke and he was listening.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q, When O'Connor became faint, was anything done to relieve him? A. Mrs. Manning procured something out of a bottle, which 1 think was eau-de-Cologne, and bathed his temples with it—he came to after that, but not immediately—I do not think that had the least effect in bringing him to—Mrs. Manning did not mention the names of the persons who had drawn the bills, or were connected with them, she merely said, "Pitt's bill."

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. What is Pitt? A. I think he is a grocer, in the Bethnal-green-road.

WILLIAM PATRICK KEATING . I am a clerk, in the Examiner's-office in the Customs. 1 knew Patrick O'Connor; he also held a situation in the Customs—I last saw him alive on the evening of the 9th Aug., on London-bridge, near the Surrey side; I think it was about a quarter to five o'clock, as near as I can tell—he was going towards Bermondsey—I was with Mr. Graham, also a friend of his—Mr. Graham had some conversation with him, and, in answer to a question of Mr. Graham's, he showed him a letter. (Upon the ATTORNEY-GENERAL proposing to ask what name was signed to this letter, MR. BALLANTINE objected, no proof being given of its being in the prisoner's writing, nor of its being destroyed, which alone would render secondary evidence of its contents admissible. THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL intended to use it only as proving the fact that it had a certain signature attached to it, but the COURT intimating a doubt of its admissibility, it was not pressed.) After this conversation he pursued his way towards Bermondsey—he appeared then to be in his usual health and spirits—on Sunday, 12th Aug., for some reason I bad I went to Manning's house, 3, Miniver-place—Mrs. Manning opened the door, and I went in—I asked her if Mr. O'Connor came there to dine on Thursday—she said he did not come to dine there on Thursday evening—I said, "You have been down to his lodgings that night and the following," and she told me she was there on Thursday night, 9th Aug., to the best of my recollection—I asked her the hour she was there the first night, and I think she told me seven; she had been to inquire for him in consequence of

his health, as he had been there the night before and he was not well—I said it was very strange, as he was seen coming over London-bridge by two friends (not naming the two friends as Mr. Graham and myself) going in that direction—she made no reply to that—she said Mr. Manning thought it was very ungentlemanly of Mr. O'Connor not to have come to his appointment—I think she said the time was five, but I am not positive, and that was part of the reason of her going down to his house to inquire—I thought from the manner that she appeared nervous—I then asked could I see Mr. Manning—she said Mr. Manning was out—I asked where he was, and she said she thought he was gone to Church—I asked whether, if I came at six that evening, I could see him, to ask him whether he had seen O'Connor, and she said they were asked out to tea at that hour, and they would not be within—I have seen some writing which was said to be Mrs. Manning's—I have never seen her write—I have frequently seen her in company with O'Connor, and I thought they appeared to be on very friendly terms, and Mr. Manning also.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Do you mean that you ever noticed any particular friendliness between O'Connor and Manning, or was it between Mrs. Manning and O'Connor? A. I knew O'Connor and Mrs. Manning to be acquainted before I knew anything of Manning—I have met them alone together a good many times, I have met them late of an evening walking in the street together—I have been to O'Connor lodgings, and have seen Mrs. Manning there—I have not seen her there very late of an evening; about eight to the best of my belief—I have left them there alone as late as that—I think Mrs. Manning mentioned seven as the time she went to O'Connor's lodging on 9th Aug.—I am not aware whether she said that was the time she left her own house, or the time she arrived at O'Connor's—I will not swear that she said anything about the time she left her own house—I will not swear she said what time she was at'O'Connor's—she said either that she left or went down at seven—she said she was down at O'Connor's that evening and the following—that was the expression as far as I recollect; I cannot say that she said at seven.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. I think you said that whenever you saw Manning with O'Connor they were on very friendly terms? A. Not very friendly terms, they appeared to know each other; they were not unfriendly.

DAVID GRAHAM . I am an officer in the Customs; and was acquainted with Patrick O'Connor. On the afternoon of 9th Aug., I was in company with Keating, and met O'Connor on London-bridge; as near as I can tell it was about a quarter to five—on 12th Aug. I went with Keating to the house in Miniver-place, between twelve and one—Mrs. Manning let us in—Mr. Keating asked her if she had seen Mr. O'Connor; she said she had not seen him since Wednesday, and he was very unwell then, and bad laid down on the sofa, and she rubbed his face with eau-de-Colonge—she said she went to his lodging on the Thursday, at a quarter to seven—I understood her to say that she got to his lodging at that time—she said she went to know why he had not come to dinner—she thought it was very ungentlemanly of Mr. O'Connor not to come to dinner—I think she said Mr. Manning said so—I did not see Manning—Mr. Keating asked for him, and she said he had gone to Church—Mr. Keating said he would call in the evening, but she said they were going out to tea.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. How far is it from where you met O'Connor to Manning's house? A. About half a mile.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. Did you know O'Connor intimately? A. Not intimately; I was in the Docks with him—I do not know whether he was intimate with Mrs. Manning—I have seen them walking together three four or five times—on one occasion I was at O'Connor's lodging when she was there, and I left them together; that was about eight o'clock in the evening, or it might have been nine; I merely called in for five minutes—he occupied a bed-room and sitting-room on one floor.

JAMES JARVIS COLEMAN . I am a locker in the Customs, and knew O'Connor eight or ten years. I saw him on Thursday, 9th Aug., from five to ten minutes past five o'clock in Old Weston-street, which is about one hundred or one hundred and fifty yards from Miniver-place, on the Bermondsey side of the bridge.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. In what direction was he going at that time? A. Towards New Weston-street, which is towards Miniver-place.

JAMES YOUNGHUSBAND . I knew O'Connor. On Thursday, 9th Aug., about a quarter past five, I was on an omnibus and saw O'Connor on London-bridge—he seemed to be undecided which way he was going, and he walked very slow and stopped.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. In what direction was he walking? A. Towards the City, very slow indeed—the omnibus was going at the usual pace omnibuses go at—I had a very cursory glance—I did not see him more than half a minute, we went on very rapidly.

SOPHIA PAYNE . I am the wife of Joseph Payne, of 2, Miniver-place. On Monday evening, about six o'clock, after the rumour of the murder, the male prisoner came to our house, said that his wife was out, and would I allow him to go through our house—he went over our garden wall—that would lead to his garden—on the Thursday before that I saw him, about a quarter to seven, sitting on his garden-wall, smoking a pipe—I entered into conversation with him, and in about a quarter of an hour or twenty minutes he jumped down, saying, he had an appointment that he had forgotten, and he must go and dress—he went away, and I saw no more of him—I left my house about half-past seven, leaving my husband at home, and returned about eleven.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Wrhen you first saw him sitting on the garden-wall was it quite light? A. Yes, as light as day—he bad his legs inside his own wall—he appeared to me as usual—he was dressed exactly as usual—their garden is rather larger than ours, because we had a shop in ours—we had not room to grow flowers and vegetables, but they have room for flowers—I do not know that they paid particular attention to their flowers—I never saw anything particular, only a few simple roots—Manning was on the wall about twenty minutes, and left about seven o'clock—our house adjoins theirs—if persons are bustling about next door we could hear them if we were rather quiet in our own house—we carry on the lithographic printing in our house—we take tea about five, and are pretty quiet during that time—the printing does not commence till seven in the evening—there is nothing else that makes a noise in our house.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. Have you any children? A. Yes; I keep them very quiet—I know the time I saw Manning on the wall, because my husband leaves the City about half-past six o'clock, and he is always very regular—he had just come in—I left home about half-past seven—it was about twenty minutes or half an hour before that that Manning jumped off the wall—it was from seven to a few minutes after.

WILLIAM FLINN . I am an officer in the Customs, and was acquainted with

Patrick O'Connor. In consequence of his being absent from his employment, I went to Miniver-place on Sunday, 12th Aug.—I found no one in the house, and went again on the Monday with a police-officer in private clothes—Mrs. Manning opened the door—I asked for Mr. Manning—she said he was not in—I then asked for Mrs. Manning, and she said she was that person—I then said I was a friend of Mr. O'Connor's, and I wanted to speak a word with her—she then asked us to walk in, and brought us into the front parlour, pointed to a seat, and I sat down—I asked her if she had heard anything of Mr. O'Connor? and she said, "No"—I said it waa very strange, and she said, "Yes, it was very odd indeed, as some friends of his had seen him on the bridge on Thursday evening, the 9th, "and she mentioned Mr. Keating's name as one of the friends—she then said that Mr. O'Connor was a very fickle-minded man, as he often came into her place and would stop a minute or two, and suddenly jump up and leave—she then spoke of the probability of his being at Mr. Walsh's, at Vauxhall, where she had accompanied him once or twice from her house—she then said, "Poor Mr. O'Connor! he was the best friend I had in London"—when she said that, I fancied that I saw her countenance change; get pale—I asked her if she was ill, or if she felt the room too warm, and she said "No;" but six weeks before, she was ill, she had not been very well since, she dare say she looked pale—I then asked her if she had been to Mr. O'Connor's lodgings on the 9th—she said "Yes;" and I asked what time she left her own place—she first said, "Six o'clock in the afternoon"—I asked her if she was certain of the time—and she said, "It might be a quarter-past six," and she met one or two friends on her way down—her last remark on my leaving was," You gentlemen are very susceptible"—there was no explanation of that.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Do you know where Mr. O'Connor kept his cash? A. Yes; I have seen it—he kept it in his cash-box in his trunk in the bed-room.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. YOU went, I believe, to his lodgings? A. Yes; on Monday, the 13th, abouteight o'clock in the evening, after I had been to Miniver-place—I there met Barnes, the policeman, Mr. Keating, Mr. Pervis, and Miss Harmes—we forced O'Connor's trunk open, and found the cash-box inside—there was no lock to it, and in it we found a few I O U's and memorandums—there were no money or railway shares—I sealed the box up again.

JURY. Q, Was there anything to lead to Mrs. Manning making use of the expression, "Poor Mr. O'Connor, he was the best friend I had!"—only the preceding conversation which I have related.

ANN HARMES . Q. I reside at 21, Greenwood-street, Mile-end-road, with my sister. The deceased Patrick O'Connor lodged in our house nearly five years—he occupied two rooms on the first floor, ready furnished—on 9th Aug. I let him out at the shop door at half-past seven o'clock in the morning—there are two doors—the shop door is in Mile-end-road, and the private door is in Greenwood-street—that was Mr. O'Connor entrance—I never saw him after that—he never returned to the house again—Mrs. Manning was in the habit of frequently coming to Mr. O'Connor, particularly for the last month before he left home—she came alone, except two or three times Mr. Manning came and some others—I think Mr. Massey came with her once—on Thursday, 9th Aug., I saw Mrs. Manning about a quarter before six; she had been let in at the private door, and I saw her go up stairs—she went into Mr. O'Connor's room, and she remained there till a quarter-past seven—no one else went into the room while she was there—I

saw her leave—she came down stairs, came through the shop to purchase something of my sister—she was in the habit of coming through the private door—latterly I forbad her coming through the shop—I saw her again on the next day, Friday—she came at a quarter to six, the same time as the dav before—she said nothing to me—my sister let her in, and she went upstairs as usual into Mr. O'Connor's room—she remained till over a quarter-past seven that day—I saw her leave the house—I was in my parlour next to the shop when the door was opened—she came through the shop, bought some. thing, and changed half-a-crown—my sister waited on her—when she left I observed her shaking in tremor, particularly her left hand, with which she gave the change, and my mother also observed it—on Monday, the 13th, Mr. Flynn and some other persons came to the house, and went into Mr. O'Connor's room—they broke open a box in my presence—no one but me and my sister had been in the room since Mrs. Manning left at seven on the Friday night—Mr. O'Connor's box and trunk had been on the top of the drawers during that time—they had been there from the time he came to lodge there—Mrs. Manning had been on the 3d Aug., the Friday before the Thursday that Mr. O'Connor was missing—she came alone, and she and Mr. O'Connor were in the sitting-room—I heard Mrs. Manning tell O'Connor that evening that she wanted to invest her money in railway shares, that she wanted to purchase some shares in the railway—Mr. O'Connor had got his cash-box out, and the papers were on the table—I do not know what the papers were.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Where did Mr. O'Connor generally keep his keys? He always kept them in his pocket, on his person—Mrs. Manning has taken tea there when she was there—I cannot say who made the tea, but Mr. O'Connor mostly made tea for any of his party—he kept his tea in a caddy, which was usually locked, and the key on the bunch with his other keys—I do not know in which pocket he carried them—I have sometimes seen him put them into his waistcoat-pocket—I saw Mr. Manning there three or four times within the last month; I think on one Sunday, with Mr. Massey and Mrs. Manning, and then in the week-days—they all seemed on very good terms with Mr. O'Connor—our shop is underneath the first floor room, occupied by Mr. O'Connor, and my parlour is under his bed-room—during business-hours I was sometimes in the parlour and sometimes in the shop, and the parlour-door was kept open—persons might go up and down stairs, but we should hear them—when Mrs. Manning paid the money with her left hand, I think she was holding something under her arm with her right hand.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. Holding something with the elbow, close to her side? A. Yes, as if she had something of a parcel, or bundle.

MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Were you present when she purchased something the preceding day? A. I was in the parlour—my sister received the money—when I left the room on the preceding Friday, I left them with the cash-box and the papers on the table—it was a tin box—when Mr. O'Connor was out, his bed-room door was left open, at his request—I have not seen Mrs. Manning in his bed-room alone, nor with him—I cannot tell how long before Mr. O'Connor was missing I saw Mr. Manning there; I should think it was three weeks—it was when Mr. Massey was there with them—that was not the last time—once since then I believe, but I could not be on my oath.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. YOU heard some conversation, you say, in which Mrs. Manning spoke of money to be invested; did she

say how she came by that money? A. No—she said nothing about what she had saved in service—Mr. O'Connor was pointing out certain papers, which he had to show her the way—I did not hear what he said—I was only taking something into the room—I did hear him tell her that would be the best, pointing to some papers—I did not hear any amount mentioned—I cannot say how long they were together at that time—I think she took tea with him alone that day, but I cannot say—the drawing-room and bed-room were on the same floor—I cannot tell what time she left that night—I remember her leaving, but I cannot say at what time—I remember the time she left, the nights her hand was shaking—I took particular notice of those two nights—it was a quarter-past seven o'clock on the Friday, and a quarter-past seven on the Thursday—Mr. O'Connor had lodged at our house near five years—I have known Mrs. Manning in the habit of coming there, I should say more than a twelvemonth—she has at times staid there longer than two or three hours, but I have not taken notice—she has never stopped there for two or three days; not whole days—she came to tea—she never slept there, to my knowledge—I have never been paid by Mr. O'Connor for her staying there—I have never been paid 9s. on her acoount, nor any sum whatever, only when some person came by the name of Roup, or Rouf, and left some boxes there—I was not at home at the time—I came home next day—I saw the boxes in the shop—they were not allowed to go up-stairs—I think that is nearly a year and three months ago, but I cannot say—I think she came at the same time—I have not been away from home during the time Mrs. Manning has been in the habit of coming to Mr. O'Connor, only that one day.

EMILY HARMES . I live with my sister, Ann Harmes. I recollect the time when Mr. O'Connor was missing—on the Friday before the day I last saw him I saw, Mrs. Manning at our house, and heard a conversation between her and O'Connor—she said she wished to purchase some shares, and O'Connor showed her some—I heard him say, "No, not that; purchase so-and-so"—I have forgotten the name of the shares—I saw her come on Thursday, 9th Aug., at a quarter to six o'clock—I let her in; she said, "Is Mr. O'Connor at home?"—I said, "No, "no more conversation passed, and she went up into his room—I saw her leave—she bought a biscuit of me in the shop—she was very pale—she came again next night, Friday, and asked if Mr. O'Connor was at home—I said, "No," and she went up to his room, as before—she came into the shop as she went away—she was more pale than on Thursday, and her hand was very shaking as she laid the money down—her right hand was so (on the waist), and she paid me the money with her left.

Croos-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Do you mean she was paler than usual on Thursday night? A. Yes—she bought a penny cake, and paid me with a half-crown—I only saw her purse in her hand—she had a black dress, and no shawl, but a cape—when she came on Friday, and asked if O'Connor was in, I did not say he had not been in all night, or anything of the sort—I said he had not come home.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. There is a private door, is there not? A. Yes; she could have unlocked it and gone out without coming near me at all—she never has done so, without any one knowing it—she has gone out that way if some one has let her out—Mr. O'Connor has done so, and so have I, but she has never let herself out that way—we have no servant—I attend to the house, make the beds, and so on—I do not know of any boxes coming there directed to Miss De Roux—there were some came

with Mrs. Rouf on them—I swear it was not Roux—Mrs. Manning came with them, she only remained a few hours, till Mr. O'Connor came home—she had a bed in our house that night, on the second floor, the next room to mine—O'Connor asked if I could provide a bed for his friend and her husband, but the husband did not come that night—she only slept there one night.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. That was some time ago? A. Yes, fifteen months ago—this note (produced) was brought to my house by a messenger from the London Docks on Friday evening, the 10th—I have seen Mrs. Manning write, and believe the inside of it to be her writing.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Did not O'Connor pay you 9s. for the time that Mrs. Manning lodged at the house? A. No; he paid nothing to me—I do not know that he paid anybody, I never heard so.

WILLIAM MASSEY . I am a medical student. I resided at Manning's house, Miniver-place, for about ten weeks—they did not keep a regular servant, but had a charwoman occasionally—I left on or about 28th July—I left because they appeared anxious for me to do so—they told me they were going out of town on the Monday, and I left on the Saturday—I heard that from one or both of them—I knew O'Connor—I have seen him at Miniver-place three or four times—he appeared to be on good terms with the prisoners—the male prisoner has talked to me about O'Connor in his wife's presence—he said one night that his wife had been to the Docks, and had seen O'Connor in a state of intoxication—he had been taking a large quantity of brandy and wine, as a preventive against cholera—he was very much frightened at the cholera—he said O'Connor had shown his wife his will, in which he had made over all, or a considerable portion of, his property to her—I have heard him say that O'Connor was worth 20,000l.

Q. Did he ever talk to you about laudanum or chloroform? A. Yes, he did—he asked me in the first place, to the best of my recollection, what drug would produce stupefaction, or partial intoxication, so as to cause a person to put pen to paper—I believe Mrs. Manning was present at the time he asked whether laudanum or chloroform would produce this effect—I made some careless remark, and said, I believed I had heard of such drugs being used for bad purposes—just before, or just after, he mentioned the name of O'Connor he said he should like to get O'Connor to sign a promissory-note for a considerable sum of money, 500l.—he proposed having O'Connor at his house, and said to me, "You frighten him well about the cholera, and persuade him to take brandy as a specific for it"—he once asked me what part of the head was most vital or tender—I said I believed it was under the ear, I had heard of very slight injuries to that part being attended with fatal results—he once asked me where the brain was placed—I pointed to the part—he once asked me whether I had ever seen or fired off an air-gun, and I told him I had not fired one off myself, but I had heard them fired off—he asked whether they made much report in the discharge, and I told him no, they did not—he was once talking about the wax figure of Rush at Madame Tussaud's, and asked me whether I thought a murderer went to heaven—I told him" Nc"—I have written a letter or two to O'Connor, at the request of both the prisoners.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. I suppose these things you have spoken of were uttered at different conversations? A. Yes; I being a medical student, my profession sometimes became the topic of conversation.

MARY WELLS . I reside with my father, a builder, at 4, Russell-street; I am

unmarried. I know the male prisoner—I remember his coming to our house at the latter end of July, for 6d. worth of lime; he said he wanted it to kill slugs in the garden—I asked whether he would have white or gray lime, and he said he wanted that which would burn the quickest—I said we had no white, and he said he would have the gray, and then wrote the direction on a piece of paper—I delivered the direction to Richard Welch, and he was seat with it.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKIN. Q. How far is your house from Miniver-place? A. About five minutes' walk—the servant was in the place when he ordered the lime—she could hear him as well as me—Manning could see her—I cannot say what the direction he wrote was; whatever it was I gave it to the boy—the lime was sent home two days after—no inquiries were made about it in the meantime—I do not know at what time of the day it was sent; I was out of town.

RICHARD WELSH . I am in the service of Mr. Wells, a builder, of Russell-street; I know Manning. On 25th July I took some lime to Miniver-place—I saw who ordered it, it was Mr. Manning, the prisoner—I saw him when I took it home—I carried it in a basket on my shoulder—it was a bushel—he told me to take it down into the kitchen, and I did so—he went with me, and I went into the back-kitchen at his direction, and he showed me where to empty it, and I put it into a basket—he told me to call the next day, end he would see if he could get a couple of halfpence for me—I called next day, and Mrs. Manning gave me three halfpence.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Were you there on the 23d, when Mr. Manning came and ordered the lime? A. Yes, I had a written, direction given me to take the lime home—I did not notice the writing on it—I guessed the place out—I knew the name of the place, because I have often passed there—I heard Manning give the direction as well as writing it, and in consequence of that I went there.

WILLIAM DANBY . I am a porter in the employ of Mr. Evans, of King William-street—Manning came to the shop on 25th July, and I sold him a crow-bar—it was like this one (produced)—it was made from the same bar of iron, only it was five inches longer—we made it for him, and it was to be sent home to 3, Miniver-place, New Weston-street—I took it there on 28th July, with the bill—I think when it was ordered he was told it would be 2s. 6d.—I was in the shop when it was ordered—as I was taking it home I carried it in my hand, and just on the rise of the bridge I met the prisoner Manning—it was about a quarter, or from that to half-past four o'clock in the afternoon—he asked me if I was going to his house with that crow-bar—I told him "Yes"—he then complained of its not being wrapped up—he made some remark about paper being very scarce, and that we might have put it up in paper—that he did not wish everybody to see what he was purchasing, or something to that effect—he turned back, and went down Tooley-street with me, till we came to a stationer's shop—he went in there, and purchased a sheet of brown paper—I wrapped the crow-bar in it, and tied it with a bit of string—he then went with me to the corner of the Maze, and said he was not going home, but directed me to his house, and said I should find a party there who would pay for it—the corner of the Maze is about five minutes' walk from Miniver-place—he then left me—I proceeded to the house, and a stout female, who I think was Mrs. Manning, opened the door—I had the crow-bar in my hand, and it was so covered that no part of it could be seen, and the string still tied—when the door was opened Mrs. Manning

spoke first, and asked me if I had brought that from King William-street—I told her "Yes," and gave her the crow-bar and the bill—she made a remark that it was charged rather more than the price that was agreed on at the shop—I told her it weighed rather more than what we expected, and took rather longer to make—it was charged 3s. 6d.—she paid me the money, made no further remark, and carried the crow-bar into the house—I then left.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Who was in the shop when the crow-bar was ordered? A. Two or three shopmen—Mr. George Stead took the order, and there were three or four assistants in the shop—I did not know Manning before—if he had not given us his address we should not have known where to take it—he wrote his address on a piece of paper—he went with me into the stationer's shop in Tooley-street, and paid for the paper—the crow-bar was wrapped in it and tied up on the counter in the shop—he did not say that it was not a respectable way of doing business, for a shop like ours, to send goods out without wrapping them in paper—he said we might have wrapped it up; but no one wraps crow-bars in paper.

Cross-examined by Mr. BALLANTINE. Q. When he ordered the crow-bar, did he say for what he wanted it? A. No—I do not know whether it was called a crow-bar or a ripping-chisel in the bill—some people call them one way and some the other—it might have been called a ripping-chisel in the bill—it would not be called a chisel—no one could see what it was when it was wrapped up—the paper was wrapped round more than a dozen times—the stationer's shop is about five minutes' walk from his house, and about the same distance from our shop.

MR. BODKIN. Q. When the crow-bar was ordered was anything said about the time it was to be sent home? A. I believe it was promised the next day. MR. LOCK WOOD re-examined. Q. Look at this crow-bar, would an instrument four or five inches longer than that, of that sort, be such as would inflict the wounds you saw on the head of O'Connor? Yes, it might have done so—both the cuts and the fractures.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Would the length have anything to do with it? A. It would make it easier—I cannot say but what the fracture might have been inflicted with a short one.

COURT. Q. YOU say some of the wounds were incised, and some cut? A, Incised and contused, and some fractures—I cannot tell, from their appearance, how long the wounds had been inflicted—they certainly were not given the day before—I should say, from the appearance of the body, that it must have been under ground a week, perhaps a little more—that was my judgment formed at the time.

JURY. Q. In consequence of the lime being there the body would be decomposed quicker, would it not? A. Yes, it would be more decomposed.

COURT. Q. YOU say it must have been under ground a week or more, from what appearances do you come to that conclusion? A. It was quite in a state of decomposition—I speak of the exterior—I take into account the fact of the lime being there—the skin becomes decomposed earlier when lime is poured on it—taking into account the lime, and all that I saw, I formed an opinion that the body had been there at least a week.

Q. Was that conclusion partly founded upon the history of the case, or from what you saw with your own eyes? A. I formed my opinion on it the very day the body was taken out of the ground—I then mentioned that it must have been there more than a week—I had before heard that the body had been missing—the effect of lime would be to destroy the features very rapidly,

if there was a sufficient quantity—they were not so far destroyed, but that a person very intimately acquainted with him might have identified him.

Q. Would the external application of the lime make any difference in the decomposition of the brain? A. The lime, I believe, might have been absorbed through the fractures, and so have caused the decomposition of the brain—the fractures were large enough for portions to go through—I examined the intestines with Mr. Olding, they were not so much decomposed as you would have thought, from the external state of the body.

WILLIAM CAHILL . I am shopman to Mr. Langley, an ironmonger of Tooley-street. On Wednesday, 8th Aug., Mrs. Manning came to my master's shop to purchase a shovel—I showed her some—she wished for a short one, and I showed her some short-handled dust shovels—I recommended her to have a regalar long wood-handled shovel—she said she would make a short one do—I sold her one, and took it to her house—she gave me the direction, "3, Miniver-place, Weston-street," and the name of" Manning"—I took it about seven o'clock in the evening, and she took it in—she had ordered it about three in the afternoon—this shovel (produced by Sopp) is the one.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. What do you call it? A. A dust-shovel—the price was 15d.—we sell spades, they are 2s., and all prices—I recommended a wooden-handled shovel.

WILLIAM SOPP (policeman, M 162). I produce the shovel—I got it from Mrs. Bainbridge, the wife of a broker, in Bermondsey-square.

MR. BALLANTINE to HENRY BARNES. Q. Did you find any shovel in Manning's house? A. I cannot charge my memory that I saw any shovel there at all—I did not take possession of any—I cannot tell whether this shovel was there at the time—I am sure there was no shovel there the day the body was found—it might have been there when I first searched the house.

MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. I think you told me that the passage opened on the right into the front parlour? A. The front parlour is on the right of the passage—I went into the front parlour—I did not notice whether there was a new chimney-piece—there was a chimney-piece, either of marble or imitation—the houses are nearly new—the room was papered nearly to the bottom, I believe—I did not notice whether the chimney-piece wanted the paper round the top of it, as if it had been put in new.

HANNAH FIRMAN . I live in Staple-street, Long-lane. I am twelve years old—on Friday, 10th Aug., I was opposite No. 3, Miniver-place, selling matches, and stay and boot-laces—on the Saturday I saw a person supposed to be Mrs. Manning—I have seen her once since at the police-office—(looking round the Court, and pointing out the female prisoner)—there she is—I said to her," If you please, ma'am, do you want your steps cleaned?"—she said, "Can you come on Monday?"—I said, "No, ma'am; I can't come on Monday, for I have got to go out and sell my things?"—she then said, "Can you do other things besides clean steps?"—I said, "Yes, ma'am; "and she said, "How much would you charge? "and I said 5d., not knowing that she would keep me from half-past nine o'clock in the morning till night—it was about half-past nine that I was there—I then went into the house, and cleaned several parts of it—she wanted me to wash some blinds—I told her I could not wash the blinds, on the occasion of my hands being bad—she said,"You must do it"—I said, "If I could I would; I do not mind cleaning your kitchen instead of your blinds, as my hand is bad; "and she said, "I do not want my kitcheu cleaned; it was cleaned the day before yesterday"—I said, "Indeed, ma'am?"—she said, "Yes"—I cleaned it myself

afterwards, and near the coal cupboard-door I saw a basket, which appeared as if it bad had lime in it—it was white stuff—she said, "I want you to wash a basket out"—I said I could not doit then, because my hand was bad, and she did it herself—all this time the water was running, and after a time she had no more water—Mr. Manning was there at the time—I saw him twice—he was going in and out—the second time I saw him he came up-stairs to his wife, and said, "Give it me directly, "and put his foot to the ground like that (stamping)—she said yes, she would; and by the appearance it was a comb, but what it was I could not tell.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. She wanted you to clean out the kitchen, did she? A. Yes—I do not remember her saying it would be no trouble—I did not think it wanted cleaning—I did clean it—they kept me till seven o'clock at night—they gave me 6d.—they gave me no scolding—I do not recollect that they were angry with me for anything.

Q. Did you take anything away with you? A, Yes—I will tell the truth, and that will go the furthest—I cannot tell you everything I took—I took an egg out of the larder, and I took a razor which I got out of a box when their backs were turned; I took a purse out of the drawer, and I took one pair of stockings out of the cupboard in the kitchen—I do not recollect taking a dress, or a pocket, or a smelling-bottle.

JAMES COLEMAN . I am a builder, and am landlord of No. 3, Miniver-place. I let that house to the Mannings, as yearly tenants—I had no notice of their quitting—on the Tuesday evening succeeding 9th Aug. I found the house left, and empty.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Did the Mannings put up a marble chimney-piece in the parlour while there? A. No—I am sure no new one has been put up—there was no marble one in the house.

CHARLES BAINBRIDGE . I am a dealer in furniture at 14, Bermondsey-square. I was acquainted with the two prisoners for about two months previous to buying the furniture—I first saw Manning about it on 20th July; he told me to call again—he said he had sold it—I said I was sorry for it, because I could give him more than others for it—he told me to call the next morning, and I went and saw Mrs. Manning—she went over the house with me, and I made an offer of 13l. for the furniture—she asked 16l.—I was to come again in a day or two—I went on several occasions, and, at last, on 13th Aug., I think I agreed to give 13l. 10s. for it—this was on Monday, and I was to come on Tuesday morning at five o'clock, and take it away—Mr. Manning told me so—I refused to move it at five, and said it would look bad—on the Monday afternoon, Manning came to me again and said his governor said he was to stop in town another fortnight, and he came to pay me back the 15s. deposit that I had given him in the morning—he did not actually offer the money; and he said, at the same time," You have apartments to let, and I can come and stop with you for a fortnight"—I had apartments to let—it was arranged between us that he should come for a fortnight to my lodging and pay 10s. a week—he kept the 15s.—I had a servant named Matilda Weldon—on the Monday afternoon he desired her to fetch Mrs. Manning from Miniver-place—he wrote it on a piece of paper—the servant was gone some time—he waited till she returned, and then left—Weldon said she could not find the house—he was gone about-twenty minutes, and on his return about half-past five, he said he had started his wife off into the country—he brought some brandy with him—he slept at my house that night—there was some linen in the house which was not included in my purchase—he wished me

lo take charge of that for him till he returned from the country, and likewise a new hat—he said he was going into the country for about two months—I removed the things on the Tuesday morning; this shovel was among them—there was also a tin dust-shovel—I would not swear that there was any other shovel—there was part of a set of fire-irons, hut whether there was a shovel with them I do not know—I believe the shovel produced had been used in my house before the police took possession of it—I had not seen it used, but I believe it was—on the Wednesday I went to remove the linen and other things that were not included in my purchase, and found the house in possession of the police—I last saw Manning on the Wednesday morning.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Did you take a list of the things you purchased? A. I did—I think I have it in an inventory-book at home—I will bring it to-morrow—it was on the Monday that he sent the servant to see for his wife—I could not say exactly the time when the servant returned, but it was as near half-past five o'clock as possible, because it was teatime—it was after she returned that he went.

Q. And when he came back he said that his wife had started off into the country? A. No; that he had started her off—I will swear positively that his words were, "I have started her off"—I am not aware who was present at the time—I am not aware whether the servant was there; she was in and out of the room getting tea ready—Mrs. Bainbridge was at home, but not present—it might have been past six o'clock when Manning came back—my house is about ten minutes' walk from Miniver-place, about half a mile perhaps—I know Mr. Massey, who lodged with Manning—I did not know any other person in Miniver-place—Manning slept at my house on Monday night and Tuesday night—the new hat that he left with me was a very good one—Burton, the police-man, went with me when I went to remove the furniture—there was not a pickaxe among the articles taken; I am positive of that, nor any axe—the tongs were second-hand tongs; they were not worn thin at the points; they were part of a very common set of fire-irons.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Was there among the things any crow-bar? A. No; nor any men's clothes—there was a light zephyr coat and an over-coat or paletot—they were included in my purchase, and an old dress-coat.

MART ANN BAINBRIDGE . I am the wife of the last witness. I remember the goods that my husband purchased being brought home to our house—among them was this shovel, which I used in the house afterwards—among the things brought, there were, I think, four women's dresses—on one of them it appeared to me as if there had been blood—it was a morning wrapper, with a cape—it seemed as if it bad been washed out in a hurry, and before it was sufficiently dry it was mildewed—(a dress was here produced by Burton) this is the dress—the cape is separate from the body and skirt—I noticed the cape more particularly than the dress—it is dry now—the male prisoner slept at our house for two nights—he left on Wednesday morning, from half-past seven to a quarter to eight, I could not swear to the time, but it was about that—he took with him a carpet bag, and a trunk covered with leather—he went away in a cab—he said he was going to sea-bathing.

Q. Did you hear him say anything about his wife's leaving? A, He said, when I was waiting for her on the Monday night to tea, that he had sent her into the country—that was about a quarter to six o'clock, on the night our servant was sent for her—I said to him," Where is Mrs. Manning? "and he said, "I have sent her off into the country"—the goods were at Manning's

house at that time—I said to him, just as it was getting dusk, that I required to air the sheets before he slept in them, and I said, "Will you sleep at your house to-night?"—he said, "No; I would not sleep there to-night for 20l."—he said no more—he slept at our house that night and the following night, and went off on the Wednesday morning—there were some dresses left as a present to me—he did not pay anything for being at our house—I thought what he had given me was sufficient to pay me.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Did you ever say anything before you came into that witness-box to-day about his having told you he had sent his wife into the country? A. No; only when 1 was at the Police Court—I said so there—my husband was present when he said it, I do not think Weldon was; I can swear she was not—he did not say, "My wife has started into the country"—he said, "I have sent my wife into the country"—those were the words—no one but he and I were present when he said he would not sleep at his house for 20l.—I think I was examined twice or three times before the Magistrate.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Were the marks, that you now suppose to be blood, on the cape only, or on any other part of the dress? A. On the cape only—that drew my attention—I have examined the rest of the dress very minutely—I took more notice of the cape—I discovered other marks on the dress—the mildew was not on the cape, it was on the dress, and in the sleeve-lining—these are the marks that I took notice of more particularly (pointing them out)—I said that I considered the marks on the dress to be scorches; on the dress and cape too—not from too hot an iron being used, but from being dried in a hurry.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. Explain what you mean; you say you first saw what you thought were marks of blood on the cape? A. Yes—I think from the appearance of it that there had been blood on the dress first—these stains would not be got out with washing alone, unless they were boiled—I think that some of the dress has been washed, and scorched from being dried in a hurry, and put away in a box before it was sufficiently dry, and so got mildewed.

JURY. Q. Did you examine that by daylight? A. Yes. COURT. Q. Have you any particular acquaintance with the mark which blood would make upon such a dress? A. I am quite sure there has been blood upon the dress.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. But explain why. You have just said that you think the marks are scorches from being dried in a hurry; do you mean from a fire or a hot iron? A. From the fire—when the dress was brought before me they asked me my opinion of it, and I said, "This dress has been washed out in a hurry, and put away before it was sufficiently dry, and it looks to me more like blood upon it than anything else."

MATILDA WELDON . I was servant to Mr. Bainbridge in Aug. last; I have left now—I know the male prisoner—I recollect bis coming to Mr. Bainbridge's on Monday, 13th Aug.—I went on a message for him to 3, Miniver-place; at least I did not go there, he sent me there, but I could not find it—I was to go there to fetch his wife—I returned to him, and then he went himself—I recollect his coming back—I do not recollect what he said to Mr. or Mrs. Bainbridge when he came back—he went into the parlour and I went downstairs, and was not in the room—I remember the goods being removed—the evening before they were removed Mr. Manning said to me, if anybody inquired for him to say that I had not seen him for a fortnight.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. YOU could not find the house, and he went himself? A. Yes; I cannot say whether when he came back he said that his wife was gone into the country—he went into the parlour and I shut the door after him and went down stairs, and what he said to Mrs. Bainbridge I cannot say—I did not hear him say that his wife was gone into the country, and so 1 said before.

Q. Have you not said that you were not sure whether he said his wife was gone into the country? A. I said I did not know whether I was in the room—I have said that I could not tell whether he said his wife was gone into the country, or whether he had sent her into the country.

MR. BODKIN. Q. I understand you to say that you did not hear what he did say? A. No.

MARY ANN SCHOFIBLD . I live at 12, New Weston-street, which is opposite 3, Miniver-place. I remember Mrs. Manning leaving her house in a cab on Monday afternoon—I cannot say the day of the month, it was the Monday before the body was found—she left about a quarter-past three—Manning came home that day about half-past five—he knocked at the door twice, and tapped at the window once—nobody answered—he then crossed over the way and held his finger up to me to open our door—I went and opened it, and he said, "Have you seen my wife?"—I said, "Yes; I saw her go out in a cab"—he said, "Had she any luggage with her?"—I said, "Yes; a great deal"—he asked me what time she left—I told him about half-past three—he said, "Thank you, "and crossed over the way to No. 2—Mrs. Payne knocked at the door, and was let in.

WILLIAM BYFORD . I am a licensed driver of hackney-coaches—on 15th Aug., I had a fare from Bermondsey-square—I believe it was the male prisoner—I took him to the Waterloo Station—he had a small box and carpet bag, to the best of my recollection; but I cannot exactly say whether it was a box or a small portmanteau—I left him there about half-past eight in the evening—he was going by the half-past eight o'clock train—I did not go the direct way—I went by orders, Bermondsey-street way, that is full three-quarters of a mile further round.

WILLIAM KIRK . I drive a cab. On Monday, 13th Aug., while I was on the stand, a female came up and engaged my cab—it was the female prisoner—I went with her to Miniver-place—it was from half-past three to four o'clock in the afternoon—I assisted her in bringing two boxes down stairs—one of them was locked, the other was not—I corded it for her—some baskets and other things were put into the cab—I drove her to the stationer's—she got out there, and I believe got some cards, I did not see what it was—I then drove to the Brighton Railway-station—I there saw a porter put some cards on the boxes—the female prisoner left the boxes there—I afterwards drove her to the Birmingham-station, in Euston-square—she got out there, with the rest of her luggage.

WILLIAM DAY . I am a porter, at the London-bridge terminus. On Monday, 13th Aug., I remember a person coming there in a cab, and leaving some boxes at the station—the address on the boxes was Smith—I believe it was that lady there (pointing to the female prisoner)—she gave me two cards—an address was written on them—it was either Mrs. or Miss" Smith, passenger, Paris"—I assisted in nailing those cards on the boxes—I asked the lady where I was to take them, and she told me she wanted to leave them in the cloak-room—they were placed among the ordinary luggage—I took them myself—they were to be left till called for.

RICHARD JOHN MOXEY . I am superintendent of the police at Edinburgh On 21st Aug. I went with a Mr. Dobson to Leith-wharf, in Edinburgh—I there saw the female prisoner—I left Mr. Dobson outside the door, and went into the room, accompanied by a police-officer—I said, as I entered the room, "Mrs. Smith, I presume"—she said, "Yes"—I said, "I beg pardon for intruding; if you are really Mrs. Smith, you are not the person I am in search of; may I request to ask, are you a married lady?"—she said she was—I said, "And your husband's name, is it Smith?"—"Yes"—"Where does he reside?"—"Oh, he is dead"—I said, "When did you come to Edinburgh?"—she said, "Well, I came a few days ago, I think on Tuesday or Wednesday last"—I said, "Is there any person in town to whom you can make reference?"—she said that the only individual to whom she could refer was a Mr. Shaw, over the way, who had recommended her to the lodging in which I found her—I said, "Where did you last come from, and what is the object of your visit to Edinburgh?"—she said, "I last came from New-castle, and the occasion of my visit is for the benefit of my health; "and she made allusion to Porto Bello, which is about three miles from Edinburgh, where she said she had been bathing, or meant to bathe, I forget which—I then made some inquiries into the state of her money matters, and inquired whether she had any scrip—she said, "Scrip! what do you mean by scrip?"—I said, "Any railway shares?"—she said she had not—I said, "Have you not been offering railway-shares for sale?"—she said she had not—at that moment I looked very intently at her, and said, rather in an under tone," My impression is, that you are the wife of Frederick George Manning; "and at the same moment I said to the officer behind me," Just ask Mr. Dobson to come in for one moment"—Mr. Dobson came in, and in answer to a question which I put to him, he said, "That is the lady who offered me scrip."

Q. I believe she made no answer to your suggestion that she was the wife of Manning? A. In fact she had no opportunity, for in the same breath that I said that to her I turned round to the officer, and desired him to ask Mr. Dobson to come in—I then said, "Have you any objection to my seeing your luggage?"—she said, "Certainly not; not in the least"—I said, "Will you oblige me by producing it?"—she said, "By all means, certainly"—she pointed out a carpet-bag, a trunk, and small box, as containing her luggage, a statement that was acquiesced in in her presence by the landlady, who came in at the time—she gave me the keys—the first box that was opened was the small box, by the officer—I said, "Just look there, and see if there are any papers that will throw any light upon this; "and among the first things be took out was a bill, headed," F. G. Manning (some hotel), Taunton"—I then said, "My suspicions are confirmed; put all these up"—I turned round to her, and said, "Now, Mrs. Manning, it is right I should let you know that I am superintendent of the Edinburgh police; you are charged with the murder of Mr. Patrick O'Connor; you are not bound to answer any questions I may put to you unless you think proper; you are at perfect liberty to give such answers as you like, but in the event of your being brought to trial, the answers you give may be used in evidence against you"—I then said, following up that caution," Now tell me, have you got scrip?"—"Oh yes, scrip of my own; oh yes, scrip of my own"—I said, "Well, oblige me by producing it"—she said, "Oh certainly, you will find it in the trunk"—the trunk was unlocked, if it was locked, but I cannot recollect whether it was or not—it was opened, and in the trunk, near the top, I found

certain scrip, which I have here, and a number of sovereigns—I found a piece of cloth containing scrip of the Sambre and Meuse, from 6460 down to 6469 inclusive; also scrip of the Sambre and Meuse, from No. 26,528 down to 26,582, both inclusive; scrip of the Boulogne and Amiens, from 48,665 to 48,674, both inclusive; a certificate of a Spanish bond, No. 3620; I also found some other scrip, or certificate of scrip, but not to any amount—there was a certificate of scrip of the Huntingdon and St. Ives, No. 130, and some French rentes—in her purse I found seventy-three sovereigns and a 50l. Bank of England note, No. 11,037, dated 9th Nov., 1848; six 10l. Bank of England notes, five of which are numbered consecutively from 67,372 to 67,376, and the remaining one No. 78,378, and a 5l. note, No. 20,051, dated 13th July, 1849; a luggage-ticket of the London-bridge terminus of the Brighton-station; there is no name on it; it is a counterpart of No. 456; and a ticket for the excess of luggage on the North Western, between London and Newcastle, in the name of Smith—I found a number of other articles—after she was taken to the police-office I went and saw her; I said to her, "Well, Mrs. Manning, I need not say that I am anxious to get your husband; have you any objection to tell me where he is?"—she said, "Well, upon my honor, I don't know where he is; I came off from London suddenly, while he was out; I came off on the Monday afternoon; I took a cab, and drove with my luggage to the London-bridge terminus of the Brighton Railway; I there left part of my luggage, upon which I put an address, 'Mr. Smith, passenger, Paris,' or Mrs. Smith, I cannot recollect which; I left part of my luggage there, and I then drove to the Euston-square station"—she said that she had slept there in the neighbourhood—she made allusion to O'Connor, and said, "Murder O'Connor? no, certainly not; he was the kindest friend I had in the world; he has acted the part of a father to me;, I lost O'Connor, let me see, on the Wednesday night; he was to have dined with me that day, bat he did not come till late, when he came the worse for liquor, and went away late"—she said she invited him to dinner on the Thursday, that he did not come on the Thursday, as she expected, and that being rather surprised, and feeling rather indignant that he should have treated her on the Thursday as he had done on the Wednesday, she had gone off on the Thursday to his lodging, to ascertain the cause of his absence—she said that he did not come to dinner, he did not come in the evening; and the Friday came, and no appearance of O'Connor, and on the Friday evening she went to ascertain why he had not come, that she could get no account of him, she could not understand his conduct, and she never saw him after that Wednesday—that was her statement to me—she complained of her husband's ill-usage to her, and of his having maltreated her, and having pursued her with a knife, threatening to cut off her head—she said that one of the chief causes of the quarrel was that she would not give him money which she had.

Cross-examined by MR. SIRJEANT WILKINS. Q. When Mrs. Manning was with you, did she state that when she first started from her home she had not made up her mind whether she should go to Paris or Scotland? A. She did, distinctly so.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. I believe she further stated that she had consulted O'Connor about the purchase of some shares? A, She did; and that on his advice she had called on a stockbroker named Stevens—she further told me that part of the scrip I found had been purchased for her by O'Connor. EDWARD LANGLEY (police-sergeant, A 25). I was called in on 17th Aug.

to trace Manning—I proceeded to Jersey, accompanied by an officer named Lockyer—I went to a place at Jersey called Prospect House—I arrived in Jersey on 25th Aug., and went to Prospect House on the 27th—I there found Manning in bed—he was known to me before—when I first went into the room he said, "Halloo! what are you all about, are you going to murder me?"—that was when two persons secured him by the hands, as I instructed them to do—I then made myself known to him, and he said, "Sergeant, is that you? I am glad you are come; I was going to London to explain it all"—he said, "Is the wretch taken?"—I said I did not know, 1 believed so from what I had seen in the newspaper—he said, "I suppose they found a great deal of money upon her, 1,300l. or 1,400l.?"—I said 1 did not know—I told him he must consider himself in custody for the shocking affair that took place in his house in London—he said, "Oh, very well, I am willing to explain it all; I am perfectly innocent"—I told Lockyer to put the hand-cuffs on him—he said, "Surely you will not put the handcuffs on me, you know me so well?"—I said, "As an officer you must excuse me; I must put them on, it is my duty"—we then took him down stairs to the vehicle that was waiting outside at the time—the prisoner, I, and Captain Chevalier, the constable of Jersey, accompanied him to prison, and in going along he said, "She shot him; she invited him to dinner, the cloth was laid when he came in; she asked him to go down stairs to wash his hands, and when at the bottom of the stairs she put one hand on his shoulder and shot him at the back of the head with the other"—Captain Chevalier upon that asked him what became of the body—I nudged him at that moment not to ask him any questions—after about two seconds, or somewhere thereabouts, the prisoner replied, "She had a grave dug for him"—no other question was put to him—he was locked up for the night—I saw him on the following morning—he asked me how long he was to be kept there, as he was anxious to get to London to explain it all—he was brought from Jersey to Southampton by the Dispatch packet—on my arrival at Southampton, I met Haynes of the detective force, and he accompanied us to London—on our way, Manning asked me if his wife was to confess would he be free—I told him he must really excuse me as an officer from answering that question—he said, "I am sure she will confess when she sees me, particularly if a clergyman is with her"—I took possession of his luggage—I examined all the things he bad—in the pocket of one of the coats I found some loose tissue paper and brown paper, and some loose gunpowder—I was very unwell at Southampton—Manning began talking to Haynes as we got into the carriage—I was rather tired and went to sleep—I had been a long time up, and did not pay particular attention to what was said.

JURY. Q. How long after you had the coat did you find the gunpowder? A. After I got it to Scotland-yard.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. This is a shooting-coat, is it not? A. Yes, it is—I do not know that Manning used to shoot a good deal—I only knew him a little when he lived at Taunton—I did not know him there—I only heard of him there—I never saw him out with his dogs—I have some papers and memorandums here, and five letters of good character, recommending the prisoner to some situation—they were found among other letters among his luggage.

JOHN HAYNES . I am a superintendent of the police. On 21st Aug., in consequence of some information I had received, I went to the London-bridge station—I there found two boxes—there was a direction on each box, "Mrs.

Smith, passenger to Paris; to be left till called for"—there were two or three persons in the office—I think Mr. Day is the person who showed me the boxes—I opened one of the boxes, and produce a gown which I found in it—there were marks of blood on the skirt of it, and the body appears to have been recently washed—I also found in one of the boxes a piece of muslin and a toilet-cover, upon which I perceived marks of what I believe to be blood—they are on them now—they have not been washed since—they are just in the same state in which I saw them—on 31st Aug. I was at Southampton—I came up in the train from Southampton with Langley and the male prisoner—while in the train he asked me if I had seen his wife—I said I had not—he said, "Do you think I shall see her to-morrow?"—I said, "I don't know, but I don't think you will be allowed to see her."

Q. Had you given him any caution in coming up, while speaking to you? A. Yes; I did directly after he asked me if I had seen his wife; I said, "This is a very serious affair, Manning; I am an officer, don't say anything to me that will prejudice yourself"—he said, "I am perfectly aware of all that; I was very foolish to go away, for I ought to have staid and explained all"—when I told him I thought he would not be allowed to see his wife, he said, "If I could see her in the presence of a Magistrate and a Clergyman the would confess all, for it was her that shot O'Connor"—he said that she had invited him to dinner, and laid the cloth, and she shot him as she was walking behind him down stairs—he said she was a very violent woman, and would think no more of killing a man than she would of killing a cat, and that he had frequently been afraid of his own life; for on one occasion she followed him with a drawn knife—he said she was determined to be revenged upon O'Connor, for it was him that induced them to take the house in Miniver-place—he said it had cost them 30l. for furnishing the house, and O'Connor had promised to come and lodge with them—he said he was out of town at the time, and when he returned, his wife told him that O'Connor had slept there one night, and refused to remain any longer—when he said that his wife shot him, I made an observation, and said, "It appears by the papers that there were several other wounds in the head; "but he made no reply to that—I do not recollect any thing else—he mentioned about his brother, and so on—he asked if I had seen his brother—I said I had, and there was a good deal of general conversation.—[The following note was here read:—"Wednesday morning.—Dear O'Connor,—"We shall be happy to see you to dine with us to-day, at half-past five o'clock.—Yours, affectionately, Maria Manning "—directed" P. O'Connor, ganger, London Docks."]

MR. BALLAHTINE to ANN HARMES. Q. Had you seen Mrs. Manning on the Thursday and Friday? A. Yes; I do not know whether she had on a black satin dress on both those days.

MR. BALLANTINE to EMILY HARMBS. Q. Did you notice the dress that Mrs. Manning had on? A. No, I did not—I only noticed the cape.

JOHN HAYNES re-examined, I delivered to Mr. Olding part of the dress in the same state in which I took possession of it.

WILLIAM OLDING . I am a practical chemist. I have made experiments on part of this dress with a view to ascertain what the stains are—I have subjected it to the usual chemical tests, and have arrived at the conclusion that the stains are blood.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. When did you make the experiments? A. Last Wednesday morning—I was not examined before the Magistrate—no one was present but myself—I am twenty years of age—the

piece I have used was cut out of this dress—I did not boil it, I allowed it to stand in cold distilled water; it was cut from the left side of the skirt here (pointing to it)—the stains were like these, but rather a thicker stain—I chose it on that account—I cannot say that the stains on the collar are blood. MR. BODKIN. Q. Are you the son of Mr. Olding, surgeon to the police force? A. Yes; I have been studying chemistry five years—I have obtained prizes at Guy's Hospital, and at the College of Chemistry, and have received a certificate from Dr. Hoffmann—there is very little blood on the white collar compared with what is on the dress—it is not a stain of ironmould, or any colouring matter which I am acquainted with—I cannot say what it is positively—it is more like blood than any thing else.

COURT. Q. YOU say the stains on the dress are stains of blood; state how you come to that conclusion ? A, I cut out the stained portion of the dress and cut it into several slips, which I suspended one after another in a small quantity of distilled water; they imparted their colour to the water—it was a smoky red colour, from which I afterwards obtained a precipitate indicating albumen, one of the constituents of the blood—the colouring matter was not affected by the materials I used; it was not any colouring matter with which I am acquainted—there is no direct chemical process which will identify blood stains—my chemical process included a very large number of sources of stains, but I cannot swear it was blood—I did not examine it by the microscope; it did not appear to me to be a case suitable for micro-scopic observation—it is stated that the globules of blood can be detected long after.

FRANCIS WORRELL STEVENS . I am a stock-broker, carrying on business at 3, Royal Exchange—I was acquainted with the late Patrick O'Connor—I did business for him on several occasions—on 3d Aug. I purchased for him ten shares of the Sambre and Meuse Railway, Nos. 6460 to 6469, and delivered them on the 6th—they had been ordered on the 2d or 3d—on or about the 11th May, I purchased for him ten shares in the Amiens and Boulogne Railway, Nos. 48,665 to 48,674—I delivered them to him on 11th May—I recollect Mrs. Manning very well—she came to my office on 1st, 2nd, or 3d Aug.—I rather think it was the 1st—she introduced herself by saying, she had been recommended by Patrick O'Connor, to come to me to invest some money, 200l. or 300l.—she asked me what shares or stock she could buy in England, which she could sell abroad—I asked her to be kind enough to say where she was going to, that I might better advise her—after some little hesitation she said, "Paris"—then I said, "Perhaps you had better purchase French rentes"—she asked me for the foreign railway list, and I showed it to her—she asked me what shares she could purchase which did not require to be registered, because she said she wished to sell the property again without the control of her husband—she asked me if she purchased Boulogne and Amiens, and also Sambre and Meuse, if she could sell them again without her husband's controul—I said, "Certainly you can"—she said she would call again, and went away—I did not see her afterwards.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Was it on 3d Aug. you purchased them for O'Connor? A. Yes; I did not purchase any Boulogne and Amiens—the Sambre and Meuse came to 27l. 10s.—it was in May I purchased the Amiens; they came to 71l. 17s. 6d.; they have diminished in value since; they would be about the same price in Aug., about 7l. per share—O'Connor never mentioned Mrs. Manning's name to me.

ALEXANDER LAMOND . I am a stock-broker. I wat acquainted with the Igte Patrick O'Connor—at the end of April, or the beginning of May I purchased for him 400l. in the Consolidated Stock of the Eastern Counties Railway, and witnessed the transfer of it to him—I was present when he signed, and witnessed his signature—(Mr. Green here produced a transfer in the book of the Eastern Counties Railway, dated 16th May, 1849)—this is the transfer executed by the late Patrick O'Connor—the shares were paid for the same day—I had purchased ten shares in the Sambre and Meuse Railway for him on 27th April; they are shares which pass from hand to hand without registration, scrip shares—I do not know the numbers of them—I received them from George Cooper Russell—I believe he is a broker—(Mr. Moxey here produced the following shares in the Sambre and Meuse Railway, Nos. 26,523 to 26,532)—I recognise these as shares which passed through our hands—with reference to this transaction they were brought to my office by George Cooper Russell's clerk.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Was Mrs. Manning introduced to you at any time by O'Connor? A. She was—I cannot say that she was introduced as a person with whom O'Connor was extremely intimate—she brought a note of introduction from him—she hid no dealings with me on the subject of shares—she asked me several questions about them, but nothing followed directly from her, my dealings were principally with O'Connor.

JOHN GREEN . I am clerk of the transfers in the Eastern Counties Railway—I produced this transfer of stock to Patrick O'Connor—this is the certificate of the transfer, and the one issued to Patrick O'Connor—we have no subsequent transfer of this stock in Aug. produced at the office.

JOHN HAY WARD . I am clerk in the office of the solicitor to the Treasury. I was present at the police office when John Bassett was examined; he is now dead—he then produced this certificate and assignment—I received them from him on 7th Sept., they have been in my possession ever since.

MR. GREEN (re-examined). This is the original certificate of the Eastern Counties Railway delivered to Patrick O'Connor, and this professes to be an assignment attached to it, but it is not executed.

HENRY WEBB SHILLIBEER . I am an attorney. I know Manning; I do not believe this signature, "O'Connor," to this transfer to be his—it does not bear the slightest resemblance to his—it seems to me to bear a strong resemblance to the handwriting of the body of the instrument—I never saw O'Connor's writing.

RICHARD HAMMOND . I am clerk to Killick and Co., share-brokers. I know the male prisoner—I did not see him execute this transfer; it is executed by John Bassett, and was brought to me, with the words," Patrick O'Connor," wet, on 11th Aug., by Mr. Bassett—the male prisoner was then in the office—when he entered the place he said, "I have come about business, is anybody in?"—I said, "Yes; what is your pleasure?"—he said, "I was here before about some Eastern Counties shares"—I said, "Have you brought the shares with you?"—he said, "Yes;" and I introduced him to Mr. Bassett, in the private room—I did not know his name—after some talk, Mr. Bassett came out to me and asked me for 110l.—I gave him 100l. Bank of England note, No. 15043, dated June 5th, 1849—a 5l. note, No. 20051, July 13th, 1849, and five sovereigns—I saw him hand them across the table to Manning, who represented himself as O'Connor, in the private room—I took down the numbers in pencil, in this book, at the time Mr. George

Nash Linthorn, a share-dealer, was there—he had some long conversation with this party—I did not hear the name of O'Connor mentioned in Manning's presence—I took the name of O'Connor from this paper—on 20th Aug., at nine o'clock in the morning, I went to the Bank for the purpose of stopping payment of the 100l. note—I identified it in the library, from the name of Charles James Butler written on it, which was on it at the time I handed it over.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Do you know it by any other mark? A. By the number, and the endorsement, Charles James Butler—I do not know him—he has not done any business at the office—the note was in my pocket at the office—the memorandum was made in this book at the time, on Saturday, 11th Aug.—our manager was out of town, or I should not have been so particular; and when there are heavy notes, I enter them in this book, the manager being out—Killick and Co. are share-brokers—they are not members of the Stock Exchange—their place of business is 6, Bank Chambers—I cannot show you throughout the whole of that book any other instance in which I have taken the numbers of notes; it is not my department, but the manager, Henry Flight, was in Gloucester-shire—he went out afterwards for two days, and I was in the same position—I had this book then, and on former occasions, but he has not been absent for four months before—I or another clerk dealt in money matters during his absence—I cannot show you any other numbers of notes in this book, but I can show you other books at the office.

HENRY WEBB SHILLIBBER re-examined. This signature, "Fred. Manning, 7, New Weston-street, Bermondsey," on this note, is the undisguised hand-writing of the male prisoner—it is my belief that this" Patrick O'Connor" on the transfer is not his writing.

GEORGE NASH LINTHORN . I am a share-dealer. On Saturday, 11th Aug., about half-past eleven o'clock, I was at the office of Killick and Co., a person came in about the sale of 400l. stock, and twenty Eastern Counties shares—to the best of my recollection I went into the private room—there was Bassett and a stranger there, who I did not take particular notice of, as I had no necessity, merely looking in to see what was doing—I remember the transfer being examined by the stranger, and could recognise it again most distinctly—these are the twenty shares of the 400l. stock, and this is the transfer (looking at it)—the stranger executed it—I saw him write it—I was not at the police-office—I was ill in bed—I have seen Manning since—I cannot recognise him—I was exceedingly ill—there was nobody present but me, Bassett, and the stranger, when I went in—Hammond, the clerk, came in afterwards—I saw the money paid to the person who signed the transfer—a 100l. note, a 5l. note, and five sovereigns.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. What took you there? A. I was in the habit of going there every morning from eleven o'clock to half-past—I had no interest in the establishment, no more than doing business there—I am a share-dealer—I do not deal in anything else—I never officiated as an attorney's clerk—my attention was directed to the document simply because the person who was in the habit of managing the business, was out of town, and I was on intimate terms at the office—I was requested by Hammond, and I think also by Bassett, in the absence of the principals, to make out transfers, as he was out of town—I was asked by Hammond if I would just go in—I did not make out the transfer, but I looked over Bassett, who was not used to make out transfers—he wrote the body of it—he did not

write this "George Clark"—I have never seen it before—I will not take on myself to say whether the sum was written then—I have no particular place of business—I am a dealer, as a great many others have been for years—I have no office at present; I have had one at 48, Threadneedle-street; that was when the railway mania was in its decline—I have never carried on any business but a share-dealer—I have done very little other business—I have been for the last twenty or twenty-five years connected with the City, dealing in shares and the funds, as many others are, and thousands—I had an office in 1846, No. 7, I believe, in Threadneedle-street—I believe I had it as much as twelve months—I paid the rent, but I cannot say whether for twelve or nine months—I rented it of Mr. Buck, a hair-dresser—it was an office in his establishment—I have had no office in my life except, on that occasion—I am not a housekeeper—I live at 47, Dean street, Soho, and have the second floor and part of the third.

ARCHIBALD GRIFFITHS . I am a clerk in the Bank of England. On Saturday, 11th Aug., this 100l. note was brought to the Bank to be changed—this name and address," Frederick Manning, 7, New Weston-street, Bermondsey, "was then on the back of it—it is the practice of the Bank to require it—I gave the party fifty sovereigns, and this ticket (produced), which would enable a party to get notes to the amount of 50l.

JOSEPH REECE ADAMS . I am a clerk in the Bank. On 11th Aug. this blue ticket was presented to me, and I gave for it five 10l. notes, numbers 67372 to 67376 inclusive, dated 11th June. (These were the numbers of the notes found by Mr. Moxey.)

JOHN BLATCHFORD . I have been for several years the attorney of the late Patrick O'Connor—this signature," Patrick O'Connor," to this transfer, is not his writing.

HENRY BARNES (re-examinad). I went in an omnibus from Miniver-place to Greenwood-street, Mile-end—it took me in thirty-five minutes; twenty-five minutes in a cab; and forty-two minutes to walk.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Have you measured the distance? A, No, I could not—it is done every day if a dispute arises about cab fares—when I walked it was twelve minutes to five o'clock in the evening; when I started for the omnibus it was five minutes past six—I did not get an omnibus immediately—I reckon the time I started to the time I arrived at the house—I walked from Miniver-place to Gracechurch-street before I got the omnibus—there was a little walking as well—the cab I went in was not a Hansom's cab.

JAMES KING . I am employed in the London-docks. On Friday, 10th Aug., the postman brought this letter to me there—I gave it as I received it to Lackington, the messenger, to take to O'Connor's house—I did not open it.

LACKINGTON. I am a messenger in the London-docks. I took this letter to Greenwood-street, by the direction of Mr. King—I left it there.

MR. BALLANTINE to RICHARD WELCH. Q. You told the Court, on the day after you left the lime at Manning's house, you called, and received three halfpence; have you a distinct recollection of the person from whom you received it, or may you be mistaken? A. I may be mistaken about it; it was a female.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q, Who do you believe it was? A. I believe it was the female prisoner.




NEW COURT.—Thursday, October 25th, 1849.


Before Mr. Recorder and the Sixth Jury.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1891
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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LOUISA WITTICH . I am the wife of Conrad Wittich, of 75, St. George's-street. On 11th Sept., about nine o'clock in the evening, I went in my shop and found the prisoner there—I heard her ask for a half-quartern loaf, and give my husband a 5s.-piece—I took it out of bis hand—it was bad—I asked the prisoner where she got it from—she said from her father, who brought it from work—I asked where she lived—she said at 15, Prince's-square—I told her it was no such thing, for Mr. Hastings lived there—she then said she lived in Wellclose-square—I told her it was no such thing, and she knew the 5s.-piece was a bad one—she then went out of the shop and said she would go and call her father—she wanted to have the 5s.-piece back, but I would not let her—I stood at the door till the officer Wilks, came by—I gave it him, and gave him information.

Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. How near were you to her in the first instance? A. I was in the shop—I did not serve her—I think I have seen her before—her face seems familiar to me—this is the 5s.-piece—I made a mark on it.

CONRAD WITTICH . The 5s.-piece my wife took from my hand was the same I had received from the prisoner.

HARRIET WESCOTT . I am the wife of Joseph Wescott, a baker, in Mile End-road. The prisoner came to our shop on 11th Sept., about eight or nine o'clock in the evening, for a two pound loaf—that was 33l. 4d.—she put a crown on the counter—I took it up, and cut a piece off it—I found it was bad, and told her so—she asked to look at it, but I declined that—I asked where she took it—she said, "At the grocer's shop"—I told her I would show it to the policeman, and she walked out—when my husband came I showed it him—he gave it me back—I put it into my pocket, and kept it till the 13th—I then gave it to my husband to mark, and gave it to the policeman—I had no other 5s.-piece in my pocket—I saw the prisoner again on the 22nd.

JOSEPH WESCOTT . I am the husband of the last witness. I had a crown piece from her on 11th Sept.—I handed it to her again—I put a mark on it—my wife gave it to Hudson—this is it—it has my mark on it.

HENRY HUDSON (policeman, H 78). I produce the 5s.-piece which I got from the witness.

SAMUEL POLYBLANK . I am a shipwright and chandler, in the New-road, St. George's. On Friday, 21st Sept., about eight o'clock in the evening, I was called into my shop—I saw the prisoner standing at the counter—she asked for a half-quartern loaf and a penny candle—she tendered in payment a crown piece—I rang it on the counter, and said, "It looks queer"—she said, "Oh, it is a good one"—I turned to try it in the detector; it bent easily—my wife took it out of my hand; she held it till the policeman came—the prisoner made a snatch across the counter, and tried to get it out of my wife's hand—I told the boy to go for a policeman—the prisoner then started out of the shop at full speed, and I after her—I brought her back, and in a minute or two the policeman came—I gave him the prisoner, and my wife gave him the crown-piece.

Cross-examined. Q. How long was she in the shop? A. Three or four minutes—I did not lose sight of her at all when she went out.

ELIZA POLYBLANK . I came into the shop, and saw the prisoner there—my husband had the 5s.-piece in his hand—I said to the prisoner, "You are the woman that passed money here before"—she said, "You are a false swearing woman, "and she changed colour immediately—I said I was not going to swear at all about it—she tried to take the 5s.-piece from my hand—I afterwards gave it to the officer.

CHARLES WILKS (policeman, H 122). I produce this 5s.-piece, which I got from Mrs. Polyblank, and this is the first one that I got from Mrs. Whitty—I received charge of the prisoner on Friday, 21st Sept—I said to her," You are the young lady I have been looking for for the last week, for passing a bad crown-piece"—she said it was not her, she had not been about that neighbourhood—I found two halfpence on her.

JOHN KEMPSTER . I am an in-teller at the Bank of England. These three crowns are all counterfeit—two of them are of the date of 1819, and one of 1820. GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined One Year.

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MR. PARNELL conduced the Prosecution. JOSEPH GOLDING . I keep the Blossoms Inn, Lawrence-lane. I have known the prisoner, as a customer occasionally, for some months—he was in my debt to the amount of 5s.—on 15th Sept. he came to me—he had a glass of ale, or stout—he produced this check for 4l. 8s., and asked if I would cash it for him—I believe this to be the check—it is drawn in the name of Ellison, Williams, Deacon, and Co., dated 15th Sept.—I gave him 4l. 8s. for it., and he returned me 5s. that he owed me—I did not ask where he got it—I believed him to be a respectable man.

Cross-examined by MR. HUDDLESTON. Q. YOU were examined before the Magistrate; did you produce a letter there? A. Yes; I have it here—I received it from the prisoner, relative to this check—I met him in the street, he told me he had received the check from a person of the name of Mills; that Mills was in custody, and he had got him into trouble about this other transaction—I believe there is an indictment against Mills—I met the prisoner at the top of Earl-street, King William-street—I kept him there till I got a policeman, and gave him into custody—I went there expecting to meet him.

EDWARD BLUNDELL . I am clerk to Williams, Deacon, and Co., of Birchin-lane. This check is forged—it is drawn by James Ellis—we have no account in any such name—no doubt it came from a check-book issued by our house—this

other check for 9l. 6s. (produced) is also from the same book—here are the counterfoils of them in this check-book—I think we have not had any more checks from this book presented at our house—this second check for 9l. 6s. is signed "I.T. Wallis"—no such person keeps an account at our house—this is a forgery.

Cross-examined. Q. I suppose you know that they came from the same check-book, by the numbers? A. Yes; we issued this check-book to Mr. Elmore, in 1833—I know that by our books, not from my recollection—I do not know it of my own knowledge, except from a reference to a book—I do not know to whom this was issued, or when—I find that we have issued nnother book, "No. 897, "in 1832—our books are all printed like this—I do not speak to the comparison of the edges of these checks with the counterfoils—there were two books of the "No. 897" issued—I am not able to say that these checks came out of this book—I only know that the No. is 897, and there were two books "No. 897."

MR. PARNELL. Q. Within what time did you issue these two books? A. Within twelve months, one was in 1832, the other 1833—I cannot say whether there have been any "No. 897" issued.

WILLIAM CARDEN ROBERTS . I am a tea-dealer, and live in Harp-lane, Tower-street. I know this check-book, it belonged to my father—it was in my possession in Sept., till I gave it to the officer—I had kept it till lately, before the 12th Sept., on a desk along with a lot of letters—I know the prisoner—I have seen him at my place of business—he came to see a Mr. Smith, who had rented my office, and whom I was allowing to use my office till he could get another—the prisoner used to come there—I have seen him near the desk on which this book was lying—I cannot say what he was doing—I cannot say positively whether I have seen him writing at that office—I will not be positive whether I have seen him at the desk—I have gone out of the office and left him there—in consequence of something I saw in the newspaper, my attention was drawn to the check-book—I examined it, and found twenty-six or twenty-seven of the checks were missing—I was not using this book myself—it was issued to my father.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you draw the checks? A. No—I did not inquire of my father how many checks he issued—I found the blank foils in the book—I did not know how many blank foils there were in the book before my attention was drawn to it—those counterfoils which have been written on were in my father's handwriting, and 1 found twenty-six or twenty-seven blank counterfoils—my father is not here—I have seen a person named Mills once or twice in the street, and I have seen him in my office where the desk was, but not inside the rails—I believe he came to see Smith, he was an acquaintance of his—I wish to state that the banker's clerk has made a mistake—this book was not issued to Mr. Elmore, but to my father.

MR. PARNELL. Q. Do you find that up to a certain period the counterfoils are written by your father? A. Yes; and then there are twenty-six or twenty-seven with nothing written on them—I have seen the prisoner inside the rails at the counting-house—I cannot say whether Mills was a friend of the prisoner's, they never came together to my knowledge. EDWARD STONE DARVILLE. I am a town traveller. I have known the prisoner intimately for some years—on the 12th Sept. he owed me nearly 3l.—he came to me on a Wednesday, I think it was not on the 12th Sept.—he brought me a check, which is dated on the 22d Sept.—I think it must have been on the Wednesday previous to that—I presented the check three days after he came—it was on a Wednesday he came, I think it was the 19th—that

was the first time I saw the check—I think it was on Tuesday afternoon he came—I am quite positive it was Tuesday or Wednesday previous to the date of this check, which is dated on the 22nd.

COURT to MR. ROBERTS. Q. When you left the prisoner in your office did you leave him alone or was Smith there? A. I really cannot say—I will not swear that he was left alone. NOT GUILTY . (Set page 696.)

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1896
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1896. FREDERICK MILLS , feloniously uttering a forged order for payment of 9l. 5s., with intent to defraud John Von Der Hyde.

MR. PARNELL conducted the Prosecution. JOHN VON DER HYDE. I am a tobacconist, of 80, Lower Thames-street. On Saturday, 22d Sept., the prisoner came to my house—he said he wanted some cigars to send to a friend in the country—I think he said at Birmingham—I do not think he mentioned the party's name—I do not recollect what quantity—they were not selected—this check was sent up to me—I came down and saw the prisoner—I said it was not usual to take checks from a stranger, Mr. Wallis and Mr. Tuke might be very good men, but I did not know them, neither did I know him, and therefore I could not take the check—he said he knew the young man at the counter very well—that was Baker—I said, "If Mr. Baker knows you, that is a different matter; I do not know you"—Baker was not in the counting-house at the time—I went out of the counting-house and spoke to Baker—I said, "If you know him, and know him to be a respectable man, and like to take the responsibility of the check, it is all very well, but I certainly shall not send the cigars"—the check came into my possession.

Cross-examined by MR. MEW. Q. You were up-stairs, and the first intimation you had of the prisoner being there, was the check being sent up? A. Yes; my clerk came up—I was not present when the prisoner asked for the cigars—I do not know what quantity he asked for—I did not intend to send the cigars, but I understood they were to be sent to a man in Crooked-lane, whose name was Arrandorf or some such name, whom we did not hear a very favourable account of afterwards—this is the check—it is made payable to Mr. Tuke—if any person were to come to me who was a perfect stranger, and offer me a check, I would not take it.

ROBERT BAKER . I am shopman to Mr. Von Der Hyde. On Saturday morning, 22d Sept., I saw the prisoner there—he told me he wanted from ten to fifteen pounds of cigars—he produced the check, and wanted me to give him the difference—I referred him to the counting-house—he mentioned that he knew me, and Mr. Von Der Hyde came and asked me if I knew him—I said, "Yes, when I was living in the Borough six years and a half ago; he was a customer of mine for tobacco and cigars"—Mr. Von Der Hyde said if I liked to give him the change I might, and I gave him 1l. 14s. 6d., and took the check—he told me to send the cigars to Messrs. Arrandorf, I think it was, at No. 2, Crooked-lane—we did not send them, and the prisoner did not come to make any inquiries about them—I took the check to the banker's, and it was refused.

Cross-examined. Q. How long have you known the prisoner? A. I should say about nine or ten years—I never heard anything against his character—when he called at our house he had a letter in his hand, I did not look at it—I cannot say that I know his handwriting—I cannot say whether this check is his writing; he gave an address at the counting-house—that I did not make any inquiries at that address—I believe there was a person came into the counting-house who said that that was his address.

EDWARD BLUNDELL . I am clerk to Williams, Deacon, and Co. No party named J. S. Wallis keeps an account with us—all the customers' books pass through my hands—I have looked through the books, and there is no such person—I should say the check came from this book (produced)—there were two books of this number issued; one to Mr. Roberts, and one to Mr. Elmore—it must have come from one of them.

Cross-examined. Q. You do not mean it came from this book; but it must have come from some book issued by your house? A. Yes; our books are made from the same paper, and are printed from consecutive numbers—when a customer comes we give any number—I cannot say how many books of "No. 897" we printed; these are the only two we can trace.

COURT. Q. YOU do not mean to say of your own knowledge that there might not have been a dozen of these? A. No; as far as I know there were only two; the number is a part of the printed plate—I believe we run up the numbers to some thousands; one book may begin with 1000.

MR. PARNELL. Q. The checks in this book have "183" on them, does that show that they must have been issued between 1830 and 1840? A. I should say it does; in this check, where the "183" should have been, is torn off, and "1849" is put here—the two books of Elmore and Roberts were issued about 1832; they would only do till 1839.

WILLIAM CARDEN ROBERTS . I live in Harp-lane. I know the prisoner—I have seen him at my house—I cannot say that I have seen him in company with Tuke—I have spoken a few words to him—he came to see Mr. Smith, who was using the office—in that office this book was kept amongst a number of letters and papers; it had not been used lately—I left it out inadvertently, not thinking about it—Mr. Smith transacted his business in my office till he could find a place—the office was in my occupation—I examined this book, and found twenty-six or twenty-seven checks torn out.

Cross-examined. Q. Tuke has been to your office? A. Yes; and sometimes had been left there—I have not seen the prisoner there above twice or thrice, and he did not go within the railing.

EDWARD STONE DARVILL . I am a town traveller. I know Tuke—I do not know the prisoner, I never saw him but once—he was alone, and he called at our counting-house—to the best of my remembrance it was between the 15th and the 22d of Sept.—I will not swear whether it was that week or the previous week—it was between the beginning of the month and the 22nd—I cannot say whether it was before or after I received the check of 9l. 6s.—he called to inquire about Mr. Tuke—I know Mr. Tuke—I should say this check is not his writing.

Cross-examined. Q. How long have you known Tuke? A. Six or seven years—he writes a very fair hand, scarcely to be called a free hand, but legible; not particularly small or large—I should say this check is intermediate—I do not know the prisoner's writing.

WILLIAM HART (City-policeman, 427). I took the prisoner on Monday the 24th Sept., in Thames-street, in company with Mr. Tuke.

EDWARD BLUNDELL re-examined. Mr. Baker presented the check. ROBERT BAKER re-examined. I did not; Mr. Hebden, the clerk, presented it—I had it in my hand, and I gave it him to take to the banker's—I can swear that this is the check I gave our clerk—it was given to the police-man on Monday morning, I believe.

WILLIAM HART re-examined. I had this check of Mr. Bedford, the solicitor.

COURT to ROBERT BARER. Q. Look at this other paper, of the same

amount, are you sure this is not the one? A. I am quite sure; this one I never saw before—I noticed the name of Wallis at the bottom of the paper the prisoner delivered to me.

Q. But so there is in both; and the amount is the same, and the date is the same? A. Still I know one from the other—I am able to swear positively that this is the paper I received from the prisoner—I had it in my hand first.(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY Recommended to mercy by the Jury and Mr. Von der Hyde. Aged 30.— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1897
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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1897. HENRY SIMPSON and JOHN JONES , stealing 72 printed books and 40 sheets of paper, value 1l. 3s.; the goods of Richard Abercrombie: to which

SIMPSON pleaded GUILTY .— Aged 25.— Confined One Year. DANIEL MAY (City-policeman, 357.) On 7th Oct. I saw the two prisoners in Fleet-street, about half-past ten o'clock in the morning—I followed them up Ludgate-hill, where they saw a truck drawn up the Old Bailey—they followed it till it came to Newgate-street; both of them watched it and the man who was drawing it—it turned down King Edward-street; they both followed it, first one going to look at it and then the other—it was loaded with parcels—as it came to the corner of Angel-street, Simpson went and took this parcel out of the truck, Jones being with him—Simpson ran away and Jones followed him; after Jones had got a few yards he ran against a police-man—I called "Stop thief!" and Simpson stopped and gave the parcel to me—the truck had come out of Horse-shoe-court, Ludgate-hill—it turned down the Old Bailey, then Newgate-street, and then King Edward-street, and then Angel-street, but before it got to the Old Bailey the prisoners stopped and spoke to each other—they turned back and went after the truck, or else it appeared as if they were going towards St. Paul's churchyard. Jones. Q. Was 1 not some yards from the truck when Simpson took the parcel? A. No, you were not above a yard or two from him.

COURT. Q. Did they appear to be acting together? A. I am quite satisfied they were acting together—I met them together in Fleet-street, and I turned and followed them—I suppose Simpson had not got more than fifty yards when he was stopped—I called the attention of a gentleman who was with me to Jones, and Simpson might have seen him watch him, and be started off—I do not believe he knew I was an officer when I was running after the other.

JAMES STANNER . I am porter to Richard Abercrombie, in Horse-shoe-court, Ludgate-hill—I went from his house on that morning with a truck with four parcels in it; this is one of them—two were to be delivered at the Bull and Mouth, and two at the Blossoms Inn—I missed this parcel when I was delivering the two at the Bull and Mouth—I went to the corner of Newgate-street, and King Edward-street, and Angel-street—my back was towards the truck, having a heavy load I was bending forward—there was a large parcel in front to balance the other three which were behind.

RICHARD ABERCROMBIE . I employed Turner to carry out this parcel; it contained a number of Wesleyan Magazines—it was to be taken to the Blossoms Inn, to go to Devonport.

Jones's Defence. I was out of employ; I was in the City; I met this young man and was walking with him; if I had had any guilty knowledge of this I could have made my escape very well, but I walked after him to see the issue of it. JONES— GUILTY .— Aged 21.— Confined One Year.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1898
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1898. STEPHEN BARRY , stealing 1 half-sovereign; the money of James Tobin: having been before convicted.

JAMES TOBIN . I live at Kensington. I have known the prisoner five or six years—I met him and another man near the Duke of Cumberland at Kensington, on 22d Sept.—I went into the public-house and called for a pot of beer—I had a half-sovereign and a fourpenny piece in my tobacco-box and when I took out my box to pay for the beer I dropped the fourpenny piece—I picked it up, and then a man told me I had dropped something else—I looked, and missed the half-sovereign—the prisoner stooped, and 1 asked him if he had got it—he said, "It is all right"—the boy said he had picked it up, and I thought he would give it to me—I said to him, "Drink," which he did—we went along, and I said to him," Give me my half-sovereign; if you don't I will give you in charge"—he said, "I know nothing about it"—I gave him in charge.

Prisoner. Twelve months ago this man and I fell out; he met me and another man and asked us to have a pot of beer; we went into the Cumber-land, and he said he had dropped a fourpenny bit; there were plenty more there besides me; he picked up the fourpenny piece, and then he said he had dropped a half-sovereign; he said to me, "What have you picked up?" I said, "Only a bit of tobacco-pipe."

EDWARD LUTFORD . I was living at the Duke of Cumberland. On 22d Sept. I saw the prisoner and prosecutor in front of the bar—I saw the prosecutor take his box out to pay for a pot of beer with a fourpenny piece—I heard something fall like gold—I saw the prosecutor pick up a fourpenny piece, and the prisoner picked up something; 1 do not know what—he put it in his right pocket—the prosecutor said to him, "Have you got it?"—the prisoner said, "It is all right"—I saw the prisoner speaking to a man and woman, at the door, and he ran out—I took hold of the prosecutor's arm and told him to run after him, for no doubt he had the half-sovereign—Mrs. Quin said, "He has got your money: it is all right; "and the prisoner said be would knock out her eye.

MART QUIN . I live in Cooper's-yard; on the 22d Sept., I was in the Duke of Cumberland—I saw the prosecutor and the prisoner looking for something on the floor—the prisoner picked up a sixpence, as I thought—I said, "Barry picked up a sixpence; "and the prisoner said he would knock out my eye—when he went to the bar he wanted me to drink—I said, "I do not want to drink with a swindler, give the man his money"—he said I was a liar, and he would knock my eye out—the landlady said she would get a policeman, and the prisoner ran out.

Prisoner. I showed them that I had nothing; this woman is always drunk. Witness. I was not drunk at that time, at all events—I sometimes take a glass—the prisoner did not look the least drunk.

ALFRED LINDSEY (policeman, T 102). I received charge of the prisoner, I found nothing on him but two halfpence and a duplicate for a pair of trowsers.

JAMES ENGLISH . I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction at Clerkenwell (read Convicted May 1848, and confined three months)—the prisoner is the person.

GUILTY . Aged 50.— Confined One Year.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1899
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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1899. CHARLES DANIELS and JOHN TAYLOR , stealing 40lbs. weight of fat, value 10s. 6d.; the goods of Thomas North Jenkinson, the master of Daniels: 2d COUNT, charging Taylor with receiving the same.

MR. M'MAHON conducted the Prosecution. THOMAS NORTH JENKINSON. I am a butcher, of Kingsland-road. Daniels was in my employ about six months, it was his duty to take out the fat, go round with the meat, and assist in killing—on 6th Oct. I sent him to the City with three sacks of killing fat, to make candles—I had no more fat in my house—at six next morning I heard a knock at my door, I looked and saw it was the prisoner Taylor—after he had knocked, the shop was opened by Daniels and another man that I have, a board was put out, and Taylor went and sat un the board till Daniels went to the Basing-house for the cart, and Taylor followed him down; that was about half an hour after the knock at the door—soon after an officer came to my place, and I went to the station and saw Taylor there and a bag of fat; the greater portion of it was mutton fat, one calves fat, and part of a bullock's fat—it was like the fat which Daniels ought to have taken in the City, and I thought he had taken it, but he had not, the fat he took in was all stale fat, there was no fresh fat at all went in, what other fat I had was shop fat—I had killed seven or eight sheep on the Friday, 5th Oct.—I went afterwards to the tallow-chandler, and they complained to me of it—they wanted fresh fat, and ought to have had it—I gave both the prisoners into custody, one for stealing, the other for receiving the fat—there was about forty pounds of fat in the bag—the quantity I sent in the day before was fifty-four stone, it was not weighed before it left my premises—this is the bag, it does not belong to me—I believe, on the Thursday morning previous to the Saturday, I had seen Taylor come to my shop, and go out with a bag similar to this, loaded—I saw a basket at the station on Saturday, it was mine, and was used to carry corn down to the horse, and to carry meat—I noticed that it was greasy, as if fat had been in it—the bag was found on Taylor.

Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. You killed sheep on Friday? A, Yes; and I killed bullocks on the Tuesday before—I send to the Basing-hoose-yard two or three times a day—I sent fat two or three times a week, perhaps—I have never sworn it was not my fat—I said to the best of my belief it was mine, but fat is a very awkward thing to swear to—I did not say, in the slaughter-house, that I believed it was not mine—a man named Rees was in my service, but he has left since.

Cross-examined by MR. WOOLLETT. Q. When you saw the fat was it not in a very dirty state? A. Not particularly so; there are a good many butchers in my neighbourhood—other butcher's fat resembles mine—there are not a great many butchers near me who kill.

MR. M'MAHON. Q. Where was the calf's fat? A. In the bag with the other—there was about 4lbs. of it, about as much as one calf would yield—I had only killed one calf—I had killed two or three bullocks on the Tuesday—there was only a small quantity of bullock's fat, about 5lbs. or 61bs.—Daniels is not in the employ of any other butcher.

JABEZ HAFFER (policeman, N 255). On Saturday morning, 6th Oct., I saw Taylor go up to the prosecutor's door, and knock three times—he then went to a coffee-stall, ten or a dozen yards from the shop-door—he then went back, and placed himself on a board in front of the prosecutor's shop—in about a quarter of an hour Daniels came out with a basket, apparently full of chaff and corn, but from the manner in which he carried it, it appeared to have something heavy in it—he went from the prosecutor's shop towards the Basing-house yard—another officer spoke to me, and, in consequence of what he said, I went towards the Basing-house yard—I remained about a quarter of an hour—I saw Daniels go to the entrance of the yard—he waited two or

three minutes—he turned round and went into the Basing-house yard—he came back and went to the prosecutor's shop—he staid there ten minutes or a quarter of an hour, and came out with the horse harnessed—Taylor came up with another butcher—Taylor joined Daniels, and they two went into the Basing-house yard—the other butcher left them—in about ten minutes Daniels came out with the horse and cart—Taylor came out about half a minute after him—he crossed Kingsland-road, and went down Union-street—I went out of the place where I was secreted, and stopped him—I asked what he had got in the bag he was carrying on his shoulder—this is the bag of fat—he had got about thirty yards from the Basing-house—I did not lose sight of him from the time he came out of the yard, he had the same bag on his shoulder all the time—I took the bag to the station, and Mr. Jenkinson saw the fat there—when I stopped Taylor I asked what he had got—he said, "Fat"—I asked where he was going to take it to, he would not give me any answer—I took him to the station—he was charged in my presence—he said he could clear his points up, he could produce the party he bought it of.

COURT. Q. Has anybody else premises in this Basing-house yard? A. Yes, several persons, but no butchers—I found a little corn and chaff in the bag as well as the fat—the fat was what was pointed out by the prosecutor.

Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. YOU say there was another butcher with them? A. Yes, he went to the edge of the Basing-house gateway, and returned—Daniels and Taylor went up the gateway together—the other butcher did not bring anything, I did not lose sight of him—I was in a public-house, looking out at the window—I did not have anything to drink—I will not swear that no other butcher keeps a horse and cart there but the prosecutor.

HENRY WILLIAM DUBOIS (police-sergeant, N 14). I was in plain clothes, watching the prosecutor's shop, on 6th Oct., about six o'clock in the morning—I saw Taylor knock at the door three times—he then went a few yards off—the shop was opened soon afterwards, and I saw Daniels go from the prosecutor's shop with a basket—I could see there was chaff in it; and from the manner of his changing it from arm to arm, I concluded there was something heavier than chaff in it—I afterwards saw a basket at the prosecutor's—I could not identify it, but my belief was it was the same—I saw Daniels return with the basket empty—he then went from the prosecutor's with a horse towards the Basing-house yard—Taylor followed him and preceded him on the journey to the yard—I spoke to Haffer, and set him to watch while I waited to watch the shop—I soon afterwards saw Taylor come back in the officer's custody, with the bag of fat in his possession—I went to the prosecutor's shop, and saw Daniels and his master—I said to Daniels, "I am an officer; I want you for robbing your master"—he said, "So help me God! I am innocent"—I said, "I saw you carry out a basket this morning with chaff in it"—he said it was nothing but chaff—the weight of the fat was 40lbs.—no other butcher has a stable down the Basing-house yard.

DANIELS— GUILTY of stealing. Aged 29.— Confined Six Months. TAYLOR— GUILTY of receiving. Aged 34.— Confined Nine Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1900
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1900. ANN COOPER , stealing 1 brooch and other articles, value 11s.; the goods of Elizabeth Verrell: and 1 bottle, and 1 pint and a half of whisky, 3s. 9d.; the goods of John Adams, her master.

JOHN ADAMS . I keep the Shakspeare's Head, in Wych-street; the prisoner was in my service. On the evening of 30th Sept. she was desired to go to Church—about a quarter of an hour after that, I met her coming down

stairs without a light—she said she had blown the candle ont, and left it up-stairs, which I thought was rather strange; I, in consequence, went into her room, and in a box in that room, which was unlocked, I found a bottle of whisky without a cork, and in the same box I found a cork—it was a pint and a half bottle, and had my label fixed to it, and from the seal on the cork I could tell it was mine—there is a cupboard at the bottom of the stairs, where whisky was kept—my bar-maid lost a brooch, and that was discovered with the whisky—I also lost a sovereign on the 27th.

HENRY ROGERS (policeman, F 75). The prisoner was given into my charge on that Sunday evening, for stealing the bottle of whisky—I took her to the station—I asked her for her pocket, and she gave me from it two shillings and these other articles—I asked for her gloves, and in the finger of one of them I found this sovereign, of which she gave some account.

HANNAH GREEN . I am searcher at Bow-street police station—I searched the prisoner that Sunday night—she had this silver guard and locket and brooch—they were worn openly, so that anybody could see them—she said they belonged to the bar-maid—she wished me to give them her back again, and said she did not take them to keep, only to wear.

ELIZABETH VERRELL . I was bar-maid at that house—this brooch and locket and guard belong to me—I did not use the same room that the prisoner did—I had left the service, and bad left these things on the table in my own room—I had not returned for them nor claimed them—the prisoner came after I left—I had no opportunity of allowing her to wear them, but I left them exposed.

Prisoner's Defence. I took the guard to wear, I bad worn it two or three times; I should have put these things where I found them; I admit I took the whisky.

GUILTY of stealing the whisky. Aged 24.— Confined One Month.

THIRD COURT.—Thursday, October 25th, 1849.


Before Edward Bullock, Esq, and the Seventh Jury.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1901
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1901. MATILDA REED , stealing 1 sovereign, 1 yard of muslin, and other articles, value 12s.; the goods of Eleanor Canning, her mistress: to which she pleaded GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1902
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1902. MARY SULLIVAN , stealing 31l. 2lbs. weight of mutton, value 1s. 2d.; the goods of Thomas Bland, her master; having been before convicted: to which she pleaded GUILTY . Aged 61.— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1903
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1903. WILLIAM JONES , stealing 1 metal tap, value 5s.; the goods of Christopher Rawlings; fixed to a building: also 2 brushes, value 6s.; the goods of James Fuller: having been before convicted: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined Twelve Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1904
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1904. JOHN HADDEN , embezzling 1l. 2s.; the moneys of Edwin Lee, his master: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Four Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1905
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1905. CHARLES LUBLON , stealing 3 shirts, 2 pairs of trowsers, and other articles, value 15s.; the goods of James Chapman; in a port of entry and discharge: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1906
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1906. GEORGE WILLIAMS , burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of John Smith, and stealing 4 forks, 5 spoons, and other articles, value 6l.; his property: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 18.— Transported for Seven Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1907
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1907. FRANCIS LITTLEJOHN , feloniously uttering a forged order for the payment of 2l. 15s., with intent to defraud James Shearmur: to which he pleaded GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Twelve Months.

(There was another indictment against the prisoner.)

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1908
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1908. HENRY BRAILSFORD , breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Thomas Goodman, and stealing 20 sovereigns, 10 half-sovereigns, 51 spoons, and other articles, value 15l. 10s.; the property of Thomas Barrs: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 28.— Transported for Seven Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1909
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1909. LOUISA ERITH , stealing 28 yards of linen, 1 handkerchief, and 2 pairs of stockings, value 3l. 4s.; the goods of John Whitehouse, her master.

MR. RYLAND conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN WHITEHOUSE . I am a linen-draper, of 154, Oxford-street. In May last the prisoner came into my service as shopwoman—I had a good character with her—she only stayed three weeks, and then discharged herself—up to that time I had no reason to suspect her—some time after, in consequence of a communication I had with Mr. Baines, to whom I had given her a character, she was taken into custody—I afterwards saw some duplicates, which the police-man brought me, and went with him to Dobree and Tomlinson's, pawn-brokers, in the Strand, and there found a new French-embroidered cambric handkerchief and a pair of new silk stockings—such articles were in the prisoner's reach while she was in my service—I can positively swear that the handkerchief has not been sold, because it must have been reported to me, and also the mark, and the money—I cannot be positive as to the stockings, but I have no reason to believe they were sold—we remove the mark when articles are sold—the prisoner had no right to have them—I afterwards went to a pawnbroker's in Farringdon-street, and found a piece of Irish linen of twenty-eight yards; it is my property, and has my private mark on it; I am sure it has never been sold—I also found a pair of new silk stockings, which I believe are mine, but I cannot swear to them—the prisoner had no right to any of these articles.

Prisoner. Q, How can you swear to the handkerchief? A. By the pattern—I never had but that one—I did not miss it, because my stock is very large—I have a piece of linen here, which corresponds with this that I found—this is my private mark, "OGB"—that means 2s. a yard, and this "AXGB" means 55s., which is the price of the whole piece—I do not think any other shopkeeper uses those letters—the maker does not make more linen of the same number.

ELLEN CROLIN . I am the wife of Josiah Crolin, a police-constable.

searched the prisoner at the station, and found six duplicates, four keys, and some papers on her—she said she wanted to keep two or three of the duplicates, they were of no use—I gave them to Edwards.

Prisoner. I asked for all the things. Witness. She only asked for three of the duplicates.

HENRY EDWARDS (policeman, S 128). I received these duplicates from Crolin—(produced).

WILLIAM BENHAM TOMLINSON . I ara a pawnbroker. I produce the counterpart of one of these duplicates—it is for a whittle, a pair of stockings, and a handkerchief, for 12s., in the name of Mary Baker, 26, Stamford-street—they were taken in by a young man who has left us—the prosecutor came, and claimed the stockings and handkerchief.

CHARLES CROSBIE . I am shopman to Miss Benning, a pawnbroker, of Farringdon-street. I produce a duplicate for a piece of linen and a pair of hose, pawned by the prisoner on 9th June—I took them in myself, and am sure she is the person—the prosecutor afterwards came and claimed them.

ELLEN HEWSON . J am single, and am sbopwoman to Mr. Whitehouse. I believe this Irish linen to be his—the mark on it is such as he puts on his linen—I recollect such a handkerchief as this being in the shop, but did not miss it till after the prisoner left, when Mr. Whitehouse had seen it at the pawnbroker's—we had only one handkerchief of that pattern, and I found that gone—I also missed such stockings as these.

Prisoner's Defence. Mr. Baines told me whatever I had to put it down in the book, and he would tell me the price afterwards.

GUILTY . Aged 20.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury, Confined Three

Months. (There was another indictment against the prisoner.)

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1910
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1910. JOSHUA JACOCK , stealing 4 umbrellas, value 1s. 9s.; the goods of Joseph Tolley Bidmead and another, his masters.

MR. ROBINSON conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM LAWSON . I am in the service of Mr. Bidmead, an umbrella-manufacturer, of 7, Grace's-alley, Wellclose-square. The prisoner was also in his service—on 27th Sept I found four umbrellas in a corner of the cellar: I removed them—Mr. Bidmead was from town, and returned on the 29th; and in consequence of information I gave him, he gave me directions to put the umbrellas in the same place where I found them—these are them, (produced) there is a private mark on them—they are Mr. Bidmead's—they had no right to be in the cellar—two are finished, and two unfinished.

Prisoner. Q. Did you see any one place them there? A. No.

EDWARD WIGLEY (policeman, H 141). I received instructions from Mr. Bidmead to watch his premises, and on Saturday 29th Sept. I put myself in a house opposite—at half-past seven o'clock I saw the prisoner come out at the warehouse-door with a bundle under his arm, which contained the four umbrellas produced—I went after him—he ran away as fast as he could—as soon as he got out towards his own home, in Spitchurch-lane, I caught him, and told him he must go to the station with me—he said, "You are wrong, how dare you interfere with me? it is my own property"—I said they were not his, two were finished, and two not—I took him to the station.

Prisoner. Q. Did I say they were my property? A. Yes; on the Monday, at the police-court, he said they were his employer's, that he was going to take them home, and then take them back.

JOSEPH TOLLEY BIDMEAD . I am an umbrella-manufacturer of Grace's. alley, in partnership with William Black—the prisoner was in our service some time—I directed Wigley to watch my premies—some umbrellas were pointed out to me by Lawson on 29th Sept.—these produced are the same—I directed him to put them back in the cellar.

COURT. Q. Had the prisoner any business in the cellar? A. Not the least.

(The prisoner put in a written defence, stating that he went to the cellar, and finding the umbrellas there he took them up, as it was not the proper place for them; having just received his wages, he wished to take that home previous to taking the umbrellas to his master's, and on the way the policeman took him.)

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 28.— Confined Six Months.

(There was another indictment against the prisoner.)

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1911
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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1911. JAMES FITZGERALD and THOMAS CURRIE , stealing 1 till, value 4d., 24 pence, 16 halfpence, and 16 farthings, of Mary Ann Maffey; both having been before convicted: to which

FITZGERALD pleaded GUILTY . Aged 16.— Confined Twelve Months.

MARY ANN MAFFEY . I am a widow. On 24th Sept., about half-past eight o'clock, the prisoners came to my shop, and asked the price of sweet-meats, I told them—they went out again, and three minutes afterwards I missed the till from the counter drawer—there was 3s. or 3s. 8d. in it, in copper—they must have put their hand over the counter as they passed out—the drawer was on the other side of the counter, but was left open—I went after them—Currie was brought back by the officer, searched, and the money found on him—he said the other boy dropped it, and he picked it up—there was money among it which I knew.

FREDERICK GILLEY (policeman, B 231). On 24th Sept. I saw the prisoners together in North-street, Chelsea, about fifty yards from Mrs. Maffey's, who told me something, and I went after them and brought Currie back—I searched him, and found 83l. 4d. on him, one halfpenny of which Mrs. Maffey knew—I asked him how he came by it—he said Fitzgerald dropped it and he picked it up.

MRS. MAFFEY re-examined. This halfpenny was in the till—I never saw the till again.

JOHN BLUNT (policeman, G 164). I produce a certificate—(read—Thomas Currie, convicted Oct. 1848, and confined one month )—I was present Currie is the boy.

CURRIE— GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Twelve Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1912
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1912. JOSHUA ALLON , stealing 1 pair of boots, value 5s.; the goods of William Richard Crow and another, his masters.

FREDERICK BENJAMIN MERRITT . I am the son of Francis Merritt, who kept the Crown and Woolpack, St. John-street-road—about a fortnight after his death, the prisoner left the house—the executors, Thomas Merritt, and William Richard Crow, were carrying on the business—I know these boots produced—they were my father's, and I last saw them safe in the bedroom a day or two after my father's death—about 10th Sept. they were brought to me by Gumm and a greengrocer named Hill.

JOHN GUMM (policeman, A 401). On 5th Sept. I took the prisoner to Marlborough-street, on another charge—he was discharged—I took him

again on the 12th—Mr. Hill had the boots then—he was examined on the 12th, remanded to the 17th, and Mr. Hill was then dead—I heard Mr. Hill give evidence on the 12th—it was taken in writing, but he did not sign it.

Prisoner. Q. Did not Mr. Hill say that my brother sold the boots to me? A. Yes, you said before the Magistrate that you bought them in the taproom, and could account for them.

ALFRED AISH (policeman, A 453). I took the prisoner—I told him the charge—he said he knew nothing about it.

Prisoner's Defence. I bought a pair of boots in the taproom, and gave them to my brother to sell; about two months after, I was taken into custody for stealing a pair of boots; the Magistrate ordered my brother to be taken; they did not do so; I cannot say whether these are the boots.


29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1913
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1913. HENRY THOMAS , stealing 1 purse, value 3s., 3 half-crowns, and other moneys; the property of William Rider, from the person of Eliza beth Rider: having been before convicted.

THOMAS FISK (policeman, E 42). On the evening of 24th Sept. I was in High-street, St. Giles's, where there was a crowd—I saw Mrs. Rider there—the prisoner with two boys were fumbling up against her—I watched them two or three minutes, and saw them all three run away together—I ran after them, calling "Stop thief!" up High-street into New Oxford-street—Thomas ran into a house—I followed; he jumped over the walls, and I lost sight of him—I had not lost sight of him before—I then went to the prosecutrix, and in consequence of what she told me I went away, and saw the prisoner twenty minutes afterwards, coming over a fence—I took him—I knew him before, and am sure he is the man—I afterwards found this purse (produced) exactly in the place I saw him come from, behind the fence—it contained three half-crowns, three shillings, a threepenny and fourpenny piece, and a half-franc piece—the paling was about eight feet high.

ELIZABETH RIDER . I am the wife of William Rider. On the evening of the 24th Sept. I was in High-street, St. Giles's, and saw the prisoner, with two boys, close to me—I am sure of him, he caught hold of the corner of my shawl—I found my purse was gone, which I had seen not half a minute before—I turned round, and saw them all three running away—I should not like to swear to this purse, but it looks like mine—my purse had three half-crowns, three shillings, a threepenny and fourpenny piece, and a half-franc piece in it.

Prisoner's Defence. The policeman has a spite against me; I saw all three boys run away; the prosecutrix swore at the police-court I was not the person.

WILLIAM WEST (policeman, F 7). I produce a certificate—(read—Henry Thomas, convicted May, 1845, of stealing from the person—confined six months)—I was present—the prisoner is the party.

GUILTY .**† Aged 21.— Transported for Seven Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1914
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1914. HENRY SCOTT , obtaining by means of false pretences 100 cards and 100 envelopes, value 5s. 10d.; the goods of Charles Clark; and 6 shells of gold, value 3s.; the goods of Henry Reeves and another: to which he pleaded GUILTY .** Aged 15.— Confinedr Four Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1915
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1915. JANE ABBOTT , stealing 1 gown and 1 shawl, value 2l. 1s.; the goods of Frederick Jones, her master: to which she pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined One Month.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1916
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1916. HENRY DURELL , stealing 2 half-crowns and other moneys; the moneys of Robert Downs, his master: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 25.— Confined Two Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1917
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1917. JOSEPH DAVIS , stealing 1 tab, value 2s., 6d.; the goods of Elizabeth Eagleton, fixed to a building; having been before convicted: to which he pleaded GUILTY . Aged 40.— Confined Twelve Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1918
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1918. MARY HARDING , stealing 56 yards of Chintz, value 2l.; the goods of James Porter, her master: to which she pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 48.— Confined Six Months. (There was another indictment against the prisoner.)

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1919
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1919. GEORGE SULLIVAN , stealing 8, spoons and 5 forks, value 12l.; the goods of Alexander Pilotti, his master; in his dwelling-house: also 70 segars, value 17s.; the goods of William Henry Hains; having been before convicted: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 10.— Confined Twelve Months. (There was another indictment against the prisoner.)

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1920
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1920. EBENEZER THOMAS STOKER , stealing 1 saw, value 2s. 6d., the goods of John Parker, and 2 planes, value 5s.; the goods of Henry Roberts, his master: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 23.— Confined Three Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1921
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1921. CHARLES MILLER , stealing 8 half-sovereigns, 4 half-crowns, 4s., and 1 sixpence; the moneys of Joseph William Taylor, his master: to which he pleaded GUILTY . Aged 25.— Confined Nine Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1922
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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1922. WILLIAM TAYLOR , stealing 1 pewter pot, value 1s.; the goods of Phœbe Allen.

There being no proof of the ownership of the property, the prisoner was


29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1923
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1923. WILLIAM JOHNSON , and WILLIAM SMITH , stealing 16lbs. weight of rope, value 4s.; the goods of John Kelk.

WILLIAM BUTLER (police-sergeant, B 3). I was on duty in Vauxhall-bridge-road on 28th Sept., at half-past nine, and saw the prisoners, each car rying a piece of rope—Smith was about two or three yards in front—I stopped him, and asked him where he got the rope—he said he picked it up at Hyde-park-corner.

THOMAS PRONGER (policeman, A 237). On 28th Sept., I was in Vaux-hall-bridge-road, and stopped Johnson; he had parted from Smith—I had seen them together first—I found a scaffold cord in his possession; I asked how he came by it—he said he found it at Hyde-park-corner—I took him to the station.

SAMUEL WARWICK . I am carman to Mr. Kelk. This rope is his, and was on his cart—I know it by this end—I cannot positively swear it is his—I left it safe with the cart in the yard.

THOMAS LYNCH . I am labourer to Mr. Kelk. This scaffold-cord is his; there is a mark on it—it was brought from Prince's-gate before it was lost.

Smith Q. Can you swear to the big piece? A. Not positively.

Smith's Defence. I saw the rope lying on the ground, and was going to see if I could make anything by it. NOT GUILTY .

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1924
VerdictsGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentencesTransportation; Imprisonment

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1924. ROBERT CHALK , stealing 1 track, value 5l.; the goods of Thomas Lovegrove, having been before convicted, and PHILLIP ELLIS , feloniously receiving the same.

THOMAS LOVEGROVE . I am a wheelwright, and let out trucks for hire. On 21st Sept., between seven and eight in the morning, Chalk came to my house for a truck to move some goods from Durham-street; he said he came from the ivory man in Durham-street, and would bring it back in an hour or two—he was to pay twopence an hour—he never came back, or the truck either—in consequence of something my son told me, I went to the house of a man named Beach, and there saw the red wheels, springs, and axletree of my truck—it had been taken to pieces—I spoke to Mr. Beach about it, and afterwards went with Beach, and Newill, the policeman, to Spital-street—I staid outside while they went in; when they came out again we went to the Black Lion, which is 150 yards off—we found Ellis there, and Beach said, in his presence, that that was the man that had the truck—Ellis said nothing; I gave him into custody, and he was taken to the station—we then went back to the house in Spital-street, and found the iron-work belonging to the body of the truck in a cupboard—I saw Chalk there, and gave him in custody for stealing my truck—he said nothing—the truck was worth 5l.

Chalk. Q. Did you not say at the station-house it was a taller man than me, with a cap on? A. You may have had a cap on—I did not consult with the officers before I swore to you—the truck was marked.

WILLIAM BEACH . I am a furniture-jobber, and live in Charles-street, Willow-walk. On a Saturday, about five weeks ago, I was at my brother Robert Beach's, a coach-maker, in Willow-walk—he was ill in bed—the prisoners came there and asked me if I would buy some springs, axle, and wheels—I said I would inquire, as I did not belong to the place—I afterwards went for my brother to 9, Spital-street, with the prisoners, and they showed me the wheels, springs, and axle, which appeared to belong to a truck, and some iron attached to the springs—they asked 1l. for them—at last they agreed to take 15s. for them, and they brought them with me to my brother's—I paid Ellis for them, and they went away together—Mr. Lovegrove after wards saw them—I afterwards went with him and the policeman to the Black Lion, and saw Ellis there—I am sure he is the person I bought the wheels of.

JOHN NEWILL (policeman, N 102). I went to 9, Spital-street, with Beach and Lovegrove, on 25th Sept., about half-past nine in the morning—I made inquiries for Ellis, and, in consequence of what some one said, I went to the Black Lion, which was about two minutes' walk off—Ellis was there pointed out to me by Beach—I took him, and told him he was charged with having a truck in his possession, knowing it to be stolen—he said, "If I buy a thing of a person, it is not my business to inquire who and what they are"—I took him to the station, went back to 9, Spital-street, and found Chalk—Mr. Lovegrove pointed him out as the person who hired the truck—I took him; searched the house, and found eight standard irons, which Mr. Lovegrove, said belonged to the truck.

Chalk. Q. Who pointed me out to you? A. Mr. Lovegrove and Beach said you were the man who came with Ellis—Mr. Lovegrove did not say, "I think that is the man."

Chalk's Defence. I did not hire the truck; I was not out of bed till nine o'clock that morning; I have heard, since I have been in custody, that the prosecutor has lost a truck since, and he said he was very sorry he had ever given me in custody, as he did not think I was the person.

MR. LOVEOROVE re-examined. I never said anything of the sort—the other truck was lost on 1st Sept., and this on the 21st.

HENRY TURPIN . I produce a certificate (read—Robert Chalk, Convicted, 27th Nov., 1848, and confined six months)—I was present—Chalk is the man.(Ellis received a good character.)

CHALK— GUILTY . Aged 28.— Transported for Seven Years. ELLIS— GUILTY . Aged 29.— Confined Six Months.

NEW COURT.—Friday, October 26th, 1849.


Before Mr. Recorder and the Fifth Jury.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1925
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1925. GEORGE JOHNSON , breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Elizabeth Hester Willis, and stealing 5 collars, and other articles, value 7l.; her property: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 24.— Confined One Year ,

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1926
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1926. HENRY WESTON , breaking and entering the dwelling-house of George Henry Martin, and stealing 19 forks, and other articles, value 3l.; his property: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 15.— Confined Fifteen Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1927
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1927. ISAAC WALKER , stealing 1 gelding, price 12l.; the property of Joseph Harvey: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 20.— Transported for Ten Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1928
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1928. JOSEPH HASWELL , breaking and entering the shop of Eliza Thompson, and stealing 2 pairs of stays, value 1l. 5s.; her property: to which he pleaded GUILTY . Aged 33.— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1929
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1929. WILLIAM BURNS , stealing 73 yards of silk, and other articles, value 27l. 19s.; the goods of William Cook and others, in their dwelling-house: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 30.— Transported for Ten Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1930
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1930. ROBERT TUKE , feloniously uttering a forged order for the payment of 9l. 6s.; with intent to defraud Edward Stone Darvill. (Seepage 681.)

MR. PARNELL conducted the Prosecution. EDWARD STONE DARVILL. I am a town-traveller, of Walbrook. On Tuesday or Wednesday, 18th or 19th Sept., the prisoner was in my debt to the amount of 3l.—he came to me either on the Tuesday or Wednesday, in reference to this check, which he produced—he said he should now be able to pay the money that he owed me; that he had received this check as a profit on a transaction for grease sold to Mr. Wallis, but as it was dated on, there would be some difficulty in getting it cashed—I offered to get it cashed, or to try to do so—I offered it to a friend in business, I think it was the next morning, but did not succeed, as it was dated on—I told the prisoner so—he said I could keep it—I kept it till it was due, the 22nd—I rather think it was the next morning—I do not keep a banker—I am aware that a check will not be paid till it is due; that it is not negotiable—I think he said Mr. Wallis was the superintendent engineer on the Dover line—he said Wallis would give

Messrs. Bryant and May a check for the amount of the invoice for goods rendered to him—he said he had sold the grease for Bryant and May, of Tooley-street—I presented the check at five or ten minutes after ten on Saturday morning, 22d Sept, at Williams, Deacon, and Co., Birchin-lane—on my return home I found a letter from the prisoner at my counting-house—I know his writing—the letter is his writing—(check read—London, Sept., 22nd, 1849. 20, Birchin-lane. Messrs. Williams, Deacon, and Co., pay to Mr. Tuke or bearer 9l.6s. Signed, J. T. Wallis.)—(Letter read—" 23, St. Swithin's-lane, Saturday morning. Dear Darville,—M r. Mills called on me here last evening, and from what he said respecting Wallis's check, it will be better not to present it till after I have seen him, which I will do at twelve o'clock, and then see you, and either then have the money or draw it at the bankers. Yours, truly, R. Tuke.")—I got this note about twenty minutes after ten—most of the City banks open at ten—I think the next time I saw the prisoner was on Tuesday following, the 25th—I told him I was surprised at his giving me such a check, that there was no account at the bankers' in the name of Wallis—I do not exactly remember the answer he made, for I followed up that observation by another; I was very angry; I had met with great annoyance at the bankers', and I said I would give him in charge—I moved away, and he moved away at the same time—I heard he was in custody the following morning.

Cross-examined by MR. HUDDLESTON. Q. Do you undertake to speak exactly to the words he used, or are you giving us your impression as to the conversation that took place? A. The substance of it; I do not tie myself down to particular words—they made no more impression on my mind at the time—I certainly understood him to say there had been a purchase of grease between him and Bryant and May, that the grease bad been delivered to Wallis, that the sale that had been effected to him by Bryant and May, had been transferred to Wallis, who was to pay them, and this check was the profit he was to have got in the transaction, supposing he bad paid them and resold it to Wallis—I understood that instead of himself having delivered the grease to Wallis, he had allowed Bryant and May to deliver it to Wallis, taking a check for the profit he would have made if it had passed through his own hands—he mentioned that Mills had effected the sale to Wallis—I cannot say that he said he had received the check through the hands of Mills—he told me he had been introduced to Wallis by Mills—my impression decidedly was that he must have received the check from Mills—from the whole tenor of the conversation, I collected that the transaction had passed through the hands of Mills as well as the check—I could not swear to the precise words—I saw him again on the Tuesday following; Mills was already in custody—I know that Mills was tried and convicted here yesterday of forgery—I had never seen Mills but once—the prisoner had mentioned his name to me—he told me that Mills had introduced him to Wallis.

ABRAHAM WALLIS . I am head clerk to Bryant and May, of Tooley-street—I never saw the prisoner till he came to our premises five or six weeks ago—I think I saw him there twice, but I am not quite certain—I did not sell him any grease—some arrangement was made by Robert Tuke with our principal, Francis May, for some grease, but it was never delivered nor completed, because the money was not forthcoming—the money was to be paid to Bryant and May by Robert Tuke I suppose—I do not know any such person as J. T. Wallis—there was another name mentioned; I think Charles Burrion, or some such name.

Cross-examined. Q. Do not you know that a contract for the sale of ten

tons was actually entered in your book? A. Not that quantity; a certain quantity was entered—an invoice was made, which was cancelled because the money was not forthcoming—I think the grease was to have been delivered at Pickford's office to Charles Burrion by Tuke's order—some of this grease was put out in the yard—it was sold, so that the party to whom it was sold might on a resale make a profit—I am not prepared to say whether from 35s. to 2l. 10s. a ton would be a fair profit—I should think 2l. 10s. or 3l. would not be too much—if a person had come with Tuke's order for this grease and tendered us the money, we should have delivered it at the price at which we agreed to sell it to Tuke.

MR. PARNELL. Q. Did J. T. Wallis come and offer you any money? A. No; the goods are there now—eight or ten tons were ordered; I think that was about three weeks before I was examined before the Magistrate—my name did not transpire in the transaction with the prisoner—he had no reason for knowing my name—our house does not bank at Williams and Deacon's.

EDWARD BLUNDELL . I am clerk to Williams, Deacon and Co. We have no customer named Wallis—I do not know any such person—this check is a forgery—I do not know the writing—if a check dated on the 22d were presented on an earlier day we should not pay it.

FREDERICK MILLS (a prisoner). I was intimate with the prisoner on the 19th Sept.—I do not know a person named J. T. Wallis—I never introduced the prisoner to a man bearing that name—I never negociated to sell any grease for him to a man of that name—I do not know the writing of this check—I did not deliver this to the prisoner.

Cross-examined. Q. You are the person who was convicted yesterday? A. Yes—I had no sentence passed on me—I expect to be sentenced—I cannot say whether my sentence will be influenced by the evidence I give to-day—I have no idea at all—it is from a pure love of justice that I give my testimony—I did not know till the officer fetched me just this moment that I was to be made a witness. NOT GUILTY .

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1932
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Transportation

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1932. EDWARD AUSTIN and ALFRED BAILEY , burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of John Brandard, with intent to steal, and stealing therein 1 ring, 4 coats, and other goods, value 18l. 15s., his property: Bailey having been before convicted.

MR. PARNELL conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN BRANDARD . I live at 41, Ampthill-square, and am an artist. On the night of 10th Sept. I went to bed between twelve and one o'clock—I went round the lower part of the house and found it all safe—I was awoke about five—I found the street-door and the parlour-door open, and missed shirts, coats, and other things—these two shirts and this handkerchief are mine, and were stolen that night.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. When do you recollect having seen them? A. The afternoon before—I had placed them on the drawers—I was going out of town next day.

Cross-examined by MR. MELLER. Q. I believe you have had several attempts made at your house? A. Yes—not since the prisoners have been in custody.

JEREMIAH LOCKERBY (policeman, S 180). On that morning I went to 41, Ampthill-square about nine o'clock—I found a footmark on a chair in the dining-room—I went to Somers-town, and saw the two prisoners in Wilson-street—I called them to me, and walked a little way with them—I took

Bailey to the room where I saw the footmark—I took the boot off his foot and made a mark on the chair by the side of the other mark—it exactly corresponded—I measured it—I asked Bailey if he had ever been in that room before—he said, "No;" he should like to come in—when I made the impression with his boot, he said, "If that don't do, I have another pair at home, you had better try them"—I told him he must go the station—he said he would not go, and said he had been in bed from nine at night till nine in the morning—I found this shirt on him—it is marked" J. Brandard, No. 6."—I found this handkerchief on one of the prisoners, I believe on Austin—I asked Bailey where he got that shirt, he said his father gave it to him—he said be would not go to the police-court; the sergeant said he should have a cab, and he said it was the last he should have.

Cross-examined by MR. MELLER. Q. What kind of a chair was this? A. A horsehair bottom—it was not dusty—there was the clear print of a bootmark on it—the mark was white—I took Bailey's boot off, and made another mark like it by the side of it—when I was questioning him he might have said, "I should like to come in this crib"—he did not say," I should like to crack this crib"—he said, "I should like to come in this place; here is something here worth having."

JAMES MASON (policeman, S 168). I produce this other shirt, which I took from Austin—he said that on the night before he was asleep with Bailey till twelve o'clock, and he then left him and went home—I asked him if Bailey came out with him—he said he did not—I had known Bailey before.

CHARLES GOULD (policeman, S. 374). At twenty minutes past four on Tuesday morning, 11th Sept., I saw the door and window of 41, Ampthill-square open—I rang the bell and alarmed the prosecutor.

PAUL PRITCHARD (policeman, N 237). I produce a certificate of Bailey's conviction at this Court by the name of William Kennedy—(read—Convicted May 1848, and confined twelve months)—he is the person.

AUSTIN— GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Nine Months. BAILEY— GUILTY . Aged 17.— Transported for Ten Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1933
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1933. WILLIAM HANDS , feloniously uttering a forged request for the delivery of 1 portmanteau, with intent to defraud Thomas Choat.

THOMAS CHOAT . I sell portmanteaus. On 25th May the prisoner brought this order for a portmanteau—(read—" May 21st, 1849. Please let the bearer have a portmanteau, about 16s., and you will oblige yours truly, ELLINGTON & Co.")—I knew Ellington & Co., and believing that he came from them I gave him the portmanteau.

EBENEZER ELLINGTON . I did not send this order—I know nothing of it—the prisoner was in my service for eighteen months.

GUILTY . Aged 26.— Transported for Seven Years.

(There were four other indictments against the prisoner, to one of which, for obtaining goods by false pretences, he pleaded guilty.)

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1934
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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1934. ELIZABETH JORDAN and ANN CONNOR , stealing 1 coat and other articles, value 8l.; the goods of Thomas Francis Heath, in his dwelling-house.

MARIA HEATH . I am the wife of Thomas Francis Heath. On the afternoon of 24th Sept. I went out, leaving my parlour door locked—I came home in the evening, and missed these articles (produced)—I had seen them safe that morning; Jordan had been at my house that morning.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. Had you been out drinking with

the prisoners that day? A. We went into a public-house and had something to drink—I left them about four o'clock and went home—I then went out again to take a walk with my little boy.

JANE SKULL . I live at 21, Wood-street, next door to Mrs. Heath. On 24th Sept., from a quarter to half-past five o'clock, the two prisoners came out of her house, each with a bundle.

Cross-examined. Q. Did they come out together? A. As nearly as they could—I had not known either of them before—I saw them again, between ten and eleven, at the station.

ELIZABETH SPALDING . At twenty minutes past five that day I saw the prisoners come out of the house—each of them had a bundle.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you know Connor before? A. No; I stood at my door, 1, Wood-street—I had seen Jordan before that afternoon—Mr. Heath came home soon afterwards and I told him—I saw Connor again at the station—when I saw the prisoners in the afternoon, they crossed and passed me as I stood at my door.

LEONARD GEORGE NEEDES . I am a pawnbroker—I have a coat and gown pawned with me by a person resembling Jordan.

WILLIAM RAWLINS . I am a pawnbroker—I have a gown and pair of trowsers which I took in, I believe, of Connor, but I cannot say positively.

(Connor received a good character.)

JORDAN— GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Six Months. CONNOR— GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Three Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1935
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1935. JOHN KILBURN , stealing 1 cash-box, value 5s. 6d.; 1 bill of exchange for 40l.; 1 ring, value 6l.: and 16 pieces of paper, 2d.; the property of Ebenezer Spencer, his master, in his dwelling-house: having been before convicted.

EBENEZER SPENCER . I am a bonnet-maker, of 230, High-street, Shoreditch—it is my dwelling-house—the prisoner was in my service—I discharged him on 21st Sept.—a few days before, I had missed my box and the articles stated—the papers produced are mine—the ring has not been found.

MARTHA POPE . The prisoner is my brother-in-law—he asked me whether my mother would let him go up stairs and go out again—she said "No"—he said he wanted some papers very particularly which were in a basket up stairs, and asked me to go and get them—I went at night and got them out of the basket, brought them down, and gave them to my father—these are them.

PETER POPE . These are the papers my daughter gave me.

WILLIAM MORRELL (policeman, N 135). I produce these papers, which I got from Peter Pope.

HENRY BARHAM HEATH (policeman, N 428). I produce a certificate of the prisoner's conviction at this Court—(read—Convicted Oct. 1848, having been before convicted Confined nine months)—the prisoner is the boy—this is the fourth time he has been convicted—he had not been out above a month. GUILTY . Aged 18.— Transported for Seven Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1936
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1936. JOHN LOWTHER , stealing 3 shillings; the moneys of John Dyson, his master: to which he pleadeD

GUILTY . Aged 16.— Confined One Month.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1937
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1937. SAMUEL MORRISON , stealing 6 half-crowns and 2 shillings; the moneys of Abraham Watson; having been before convicted: to which he pleaded GUILTY . Aged 13.— Transported for Seven Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1938
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1938. ROBERT RICHARDS , stealing 7 lbs. weight of metal sheathing, value 2s. 6d.; the goods of William Jackson, in a vessel in a port: to which he pleaded GUILTY . Aged 50.— Confined Three Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1939
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Corporal > whipping; Imprisonment; Corporal > whipping

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1939. JOHN MONDAY and JAMES SMITH , stealing 1 handkerchief, value Is. Gd.; the goods of John Tripp: to which

MONDAY pleaded GUILTY . Aged 13.— Confined Six Days and Whipped.

JOHN TRIPP. I am a musician. I was on Tower-hill on 17th Oct.—I felt something at my pocket, and missed my handkerchief—this is it (produced). THOMAS BARNES (policeman, H 88). I saw this prisoner following Mr. Tripp—Munday put his left hand into his pocket and took this handkerchief out—I followed and took them into custody—they had been together three quarters of an hour, and had made several attempts while they were together. (The prisoners received a good character). SMITH— GUILTY . Aged 16.— Confined Six Days and Whipped.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1940
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1940. JOHN PARKER , stealing 1 tame pigeon, value 1s. 6d.; the goods of Edward Ingram: having been before convicted.

EDWARD INGRAM . I am a poulterer, and live at Shadwell. On 17th Oct. I lost a pigeon—the officer brought it back to me—I saw it safe in a basket five minutes before.

GEORGE ROGERS (policeman, K 182). I took the prisoner with the pigeon—he said he had bought it.

GEORGE ROGERS . I produce a certificate of the prisoner's conviction—(read—Convicted Dec. 1848, confined six months)—he is the person; he has been twice summarily convicted.

GUILTY . Aged 16.— Confined One Year.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1941
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1941. JOHN SULLIVAN , stealing 1 watch and guard-chain, value 1l. 17s., and seven pieces of foreign silver coin, ls.; the goods of Matthias Meislakn.

MATTHIAS MEISLAKN (through an interpreter). I am a seaman; we were in the dock, at Poplar—last Thursday afternoon my watch was safe in the cabin—the prisoner was working on board the ship—he had no business in the cabin, but I saw him come out of there, and soon after he came out I missed my watch—this is it.

MATTHEW REID . I am apprentice on board that ship—I heard a cry of the loss of this watch—I ran after the prisoner, about fifty yards—he got behind some piles—I went behind them afterwards, and found this watch and chain.

JOHN FORD . I saw the prisoner drop off the jib-boom—this guard-chain hung out of his pocket; and as he went by the timbers he took two silver coins out of his pocket and dropped them—I took them up and gave them to the officer. GUILTY .— Confined One Year.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1942
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown

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1942. CAROLINE STRACHAN and ESTHER PIKE , stealing 9 lbs. weight of mutton, value 3s., and 3l. 4lb. weight of soap, 5d.; the goods of the Overseers of the poor of St. Margaret and St. John the Evangelist, Westminster.

MR. ROBINSON conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN PORTSMOUTH (policeman, B 173). In consequence of information, I watched on Sunday, 30th Sept., and saw the prisoners, about ten o'clock, coming in a direction from the workhouse in Dean-street, Westminster—Strachan had a parcel tied up in a white cloth under her left arm, and Pike was carrying a basket—I followed them down Tothill-street to Cartwright-street—there

Strachan took the parcel from under her arm, and put it into Pike's basket—she then put her hand to her pocket, but I could not see that she took anything out—they separated, and Pike went to her house—I followed, and asked what she had got—she said, "Some broken meat"—I said she must go to the station—in going down Gardener's-lane she said it was meat that the other woman had bought for her—I found it was a shoulder of mutton—she then said it was meat that was allowed—I found a piece of soap in the basket—I searched Pike's house, which she gave me the direction to, 13 Arthur-street, Chelsea, and found a memorandum there—Mr. Surtees took some papers off a shelf and gave me one, which I believe was one of them—he said he wrote it—it is a memorandum of mutton and other meat, amounting to 9s. 1d.

Cross-examined by MR. PRENDERGAST. Q. Did not Pike say it was what had been allowed to Strachan, as she understood? A. Yes, she did afterwards; and then she said it was meat she had bought for her, and she came to fetch it.

RICHARD WATKINSON (policeman, B 208). I was with Portsmouth—he touched Pike on the shoulder, and asked what she had got—she said, "Some broken meat."

JAMES ELLIOTT . I am master of St. Margaret's Workhouse, Westminster. Strachan is the wife of John Strachan, a pauper—she has lately slept in the house with her husband—I missed property, and gave directions to the policeman—this meat is ours, and I believe this soap is ours—John Strachan was allowed one pound of meat a day—they have no right to have two rations at one time—they would have no right to this shoulder of mutton—it weighs nine pounds.

Cross-examined. Q. Did they have a pound a day between them? A. No, it was for the man—the prisoner Strachan was not recognized—he had his meat every day—I did not ask if he eat it—he had a pound a day, and had a right to do what he liked with it—this belongs to the Overseers of St. Margaret's and St. John's—I can swear to this shoulder of mutton—it is scored. STRACHAN— GUILTY . Aged 43.— Confined Four Months. PIKE— NOT GUILTY .

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1943
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1943. WILLIAM SMITH , stealing 2 pistols and other articles, value 10s. 3d.; and 2 half-crowns, 4 shillings, 2 sixpences, and 14 pence; the property of Edward Turner.—2d COUNT, of Edward William Kembel Turner, his master.

EDWARD TURNER . I live at 15, Homer-street. The prisoner was in my service—I had all these articles in my till and in my drawer on 2d Oct.—the prisoner left me next morning, and they were all gone—this tobacco-box is mine—the pistols I have not seen.

JAMES MORRIS . I saw the prisoner with the pistols on 2d Oct., when I was shutting up the prosecutor's shop—we went to bed; he wanted to go to the Queen's Theatre, and after master was gone to bed he told me to get up and go to William-street for an order—when I came back, the door was open, and the prisoner was gone.

CHARLES HART . I took the prisoner; I found on him this tobacco-box—the pistols have not been found.

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Six Months.

THIRD COURT.—Friday, October 26th, 1849.


Before Edward Bullock, Esq., and the Second Jury.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1944
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1944. JULIA DYE , stealing 2 coats, 7 waistcoats, 7 shirts, and other articles, value 9l. 13s.; the goods of William State, in his dwelling-house: to which she pleaded GUILTY . Aged 24.— Confined Twelve Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1945
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1945. JOHN SEALEY , embezzling 16s. 8d., received on account of John Rosier, his master; having been before convicted: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 28.— Confined Twelve Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1946
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1946. JOHN MORIARTY , stealing 1 half-crown; the moneys of, William Ormston, his master: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1947
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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1947. GEORGE DRAKE , GEORGE HOBBS , and PETER HAMMOND , stealing 11 3l. 4lbs. weight of mutton, value 7s. 4d.; the goods of Samuel Phipps, the master of Drake and Hobbs.

MR. ROBINSON conducted the Prosecution. SAMUEL PHIPPS. I am a butcher, of 36, Lower Belgrave-street, Pimlico. Drake and Hobbs have been in my service—on Saturday, 6th Oct., I was in the parlour at the back of my shop, at a little past one o'clock, and looked through a small orifice in the partition which divides the parlour rom the shop; it covered the whole of the doorway and the greater part of the shop—I saw a woman come into the shop—Hobbs advanced towards her, and, instead of serving her, passed her, and went out at the door—just outside the door he gave his head a swing, turned short round into the shop again, and went in; he spoke to the woman, and immediately on that Hammond came up—Hobbs moved his head in the direction in which Hammond came—Hammond came about three yards into the shop, with a bag in his hand—Drake had got a leg of mutton which had been moved from the other side of the shop, in hit hand, and he put it into Hammond's bag—Hammond had not had time to speak to Drake—Drake had the mutton in his hand before Hammond came in—Hammond doubled it up, and walked off directly—I went out of the parlour as quickly as I could—Drake rather intercepted my passing, I do not know whether it was designedly or not—I got past, ran after Hammond, and caught him with the mutton, about thirty yards from the door—he said what he had got he had paid for—I can positively swear no money had passed between them—I gave Hammond into custody, and in the bag a leg and part of a loin of mutton were found—I did not see the loin put in, but I have no doubt it was my property—I cannot say whether it was put in when Hammond came into the shop—they may both have been put in together—I made the hole on the Friday night, with a gimlet, through a partition not more than three-eighths of an inch thick—the hole was hot more than a quarter of an inch in diameter—the leg of mutton was worth about 6s.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Did the hole direct you towards some glass? A. Yes; but I did not have to look through it, as the window was up as high as my head—Hobbs was speaking to a customer when the leg of mutton was put into the bag—he had nothing to do with it.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. How far was the hole from where

they were in the shop? A. Sixteen or seventeen feet—I had one eye to the hole when I saw Hobbs go out—I should not have seen the loin if it had been put in at the end of the leg; it would then appear like one joint—I should have seen Hammond's lips move if he had spoken—when Hammond was taken, he said he would pay for it—they took money in the shop when I was away, and the housekeeper also away—she was at another hole on the opposite side which commanded a view of the part of the shop where the meat hung—she is not here—the meat could not have been taken from there without her seeing it—when Drake was taken he had 2l. or 3l. on him—he had no half-crowns, I believe—(the money found and the purse, was here produced by Rope)—there are some half-crowns here.

Cross-examined by MR. COCKLE. Q. You did not see Hammond before he came into the shop? A. No; Drake had the mutton in his hand before Hammond came in.

MR. ROBINSON. Q. Whose possession has the purse been in? A. The policeman's; I have not seen it—half-a-crown would not be a fair price for the mutton—I did not weigh it, but I could tell by looking at it that it was more than 9lbs.—the loin weighed 21l. 2lbs. or 3lbs.—Hobbs was foreman—he had been with me fifteen months, and the other nine months.

ROBERT ALLEN (policeman, B 151). I was on duty in Lower Belgrave-street, and saw Hammond and Mr. Phipps, who gave him into custody, and I found the leg and loin of mutton on him—when we got to the station he said he bought it, and gave half-a-crown for it—I found 1s. 10d. on him.

WILLIAM ROPE (policeman, B 156). I received charge of Drake and Hobbs—I found 5s. 11 1l. 2d. on Hobbs, and on Drake 2l. 3s. 10d. some in a purse, and some loose in his pocket—I have had possession of the purse ever since—there are several half-crowns among the money—I was present when Hammond made a statement before the Magistrate. (Read—"I went into the shop and gave a half-crown for the leg of mutton. PETER HAMMOND.") ALEXANDER RANCE. About one o'clock I was in my employer's shop, Mr. Hall, 25, Lower Belgrave-street, and saw Hammond standing outside an oil-shop, next door to Mr. Phipps's, with something under his arm—I cannot say what it was—a little after one I saw Mr. Phipps give him in charge, and saw the constable take the meat out of his bag. (The prisoners all received good characters.)

HOBBS— NOT GUILTY . DRAKE— GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined Six Months. HAMMOND— GUILTY . Aged 40,— Confined Three Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1948
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1948. JAMES ELLIOTT , stealing 1s.; the money of James Owen Clarke, his master.

MR. PARNELL conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES OWEN CLARKE . I am a printer and publisher, of Fleet-street—the prisoner was in my service—no one resides on the premises—the prisoner had a key to let himself into the warehouse, which is the first-floor—you can get there without going to the publishing-office, where the till is—he had no business in that office—there was a hole in the till, through which a person's hand could be put—the prisoner ought to come between six and seven o'clock in the morning—he had no business there at five—in consequence of something that happened I gave Ventrum directions to watch.

GEORGE VENTRUM (City policeman, 312). Mr. Clarke set me to watch his premises. On Saturday morning, about five o'clock, I saw the prisoner come to the street door, let himself in, and go up-stairs to the warehouse—he then came down again, unlocked the publishing-office door and went in—I heard

a noise, and heard him go from the door round to the till—it was dark, he could not see me—I went into the office, heard money rattle, and when he came towards me I put my hand round him and took this shilling (produced) out of his hand, and this key (produced), which is the key of the outer door—he said, "This is the first time I have done it; I hope you will forgive me; I work here; I belong here"—I took him to the station, searched him, and found two sovereigns, a half-sovereign, two half-crowns, and two shillings—the shilling I took from his hand was a marked one, and one which Mr. Clarke had shown me before—I saw him put it into the till in a small box.

MR. CLARKE re-examined. It was usual for the apprentice to take the key of the office away with him, except on Friday nights, when it was left in the door.

(The prisoner received a good character, and was stated to be of weak mind.) GUILTY . Aged 21.—Strongly recommended to mercy by the Jury.— Confined Three Weeks.

(There was another indictment against the prisoner.)

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1949
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1949. WILLIAM TURNER , breaking and entering the shop of Charlea Slinn, and stealing 23 pairs of boots, 3 calf-skins, and other articles, value 20l.; his goods.

MR. CAARTEEN conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN SHIRLEY . I am errand-boy, in the employ of Mr. Slinn, boot and shoemaker, 103, High Holborn. On Monday, 15th Oct., about nine o'clock at night, I left my master's shop to take out some work—I left the door quite secure and locked—I left no one in the shop—I returned about a quarter to ten, and found the door open—I pushed it wide open, and two young men came out—the prisoner is one—he said, "Is your master at home?"—I said, "No"—he up with his hand, hit me a blow in the chest, and ran up Hatton-garden—the other man ran down Holborn-hill—I ran after the prisoner towards Hatton-garden, crying out, "Stop thief! "and Williams came up and stopped him about 100 yards from my master's shop—I then went back to the shop with Cagford, and found this black bag (produced), with boots in it, just inside the shop door—I then went to the station, returned again, and found this white bag (produced) very nearly under the window, inside the shop—the bags were opened at the station—the black one contained twelve pairs of boots and one odd one, eight pairs of shoes and one odd one; and in the white bag there were eleven pairs of boots and one odd one—they all belong to the master—when I left the shop the window was full of boots, and when I came back it was all cleared out—I found a parcel on the counter containing leather, of the same kind as my master had, and which was hanging on the nails when I went out—I had no light—there are lights in the street, and next door there is a public-house where there are two lamps.

JOHN WILLIAMS . I am a labourer. On 15th Oct. I was four or five yards from Mr. Sunn's shop, and saw the two men come out of the shop—I am sure the prisoner is one of them—I did not see him strike Shirley—he ran up Hatton-garden—I ran after him, stopped him, and Adams came up immediately.

Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. How far up Hatton-garden was it? A. It might have been twenty-five yards up—I did no lose sight of him from the time he came out of the house.

JOHN CAGFORD . I am porter and watchman at Ely-place, Holborn. On 15th Oct. I was on duty, heard a cry of" Stop thief!" and went through Mitre-court into Hatton-garden—I saw the prisoner running, and the boy singing out "Stop thief!"—I saw Williams stop the prisoner—I then went back to the shop and saw the black bag of boots—I afterwards returned to

the shop with the constable and the boy, and saw the white bag close to the window, with the rest of the boots.

EDWARD FRANCIS ADAMS (policeman, G 146). I was on duty in Hatton-garden, heard a cry of "Stop thief!" saw the prisoner running, and saw Williams catch hold of him, and he was given into my custody—I took him to the shop, and there saw the black bag—I searched it at the station, and found it contained a quantity of boots and shoes—I returned to the shop and found the white bag and the leather tied up on the counter—the prisoner denied having been there—I asked his address—he said he did not think proper to give it me—I examined the shop door—there was no mark of violence on it—I have not the slightest doubt that it had been opened by a skeleton-key—the house is in the parish of St. Andrew, Holborn.

CHARLES SLINN . I rent the parlour and shop at 103, Holborn-hill. On the evening in question I left the shop at half-past seven o'clock—I afterwards had occasion to pass the shop and it was then shut up, and, as I supposed, all secure—I never saw either of these bags before—the boots are mine, and have my mark on them—I had such leather as this hanging in the shop.

Cross-examined. Q. What parish is the house in? A. I believe it is in St. Andrew, Holborn—I do not pay rates or taxes, and therefore do not know—it is part in the City and part out—the boots were in Middlesex, and not in the City—the pavement is the City, and where the woodwork begins is the County. GUILTY . Aged 35.— Transported for Seven Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1950
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1950. JOHN RICKARDS , stealing 1 gown, value 2s.; the goods of Elizabeth Newson: having been before convicted.

ELIZABETH NEWSON . I am a widow, and live at the Bull's Head, West-minster. On 3d Oct., between eight and nine o'clock at night, 1 saw my gown on the back of the tap-room door—I afterwards missed it—I saw the prisoner going down the passage towards the front door from the tap-room—he went out at the front door, and I then missed the gown—this is it (produced).

JOHN GRIGG . I am potman at the Bull's Head. About half-past eight o'clock I was going towards the bar, and met the prisoner in the passage coming from the tap-room with a bundle under his arm—he went out, and was brought back in about half an hour—I accused him of taking the gown out of the tap-room—he said he had not seen it.

SUSAN BOND . I keep a shop, 64, Orchard-street. On 4th Oct., about nine o'clock in the morning, the prisoner came and asked if I would buy a gown; he asked 1s. 6d. for it—I said I could not afford more than 14d., to sell it again—I bought it, and hung it up at the door to be sold; this is it—about five minutes after, he came back and said, "You need not sell that just now"—I said he had better give me the money back—he said he would go and fetch it.

Prisoner's Defence. A person offered me a pint of beer to sell it; I took him the money, and he said he hoped they would not sell it, and he would take it out next morning; I went to get it back, and was taken into custody.

EDWARD KNOWLAND (policeman, B 141). I produce a certificate (read—John Richards, convicted Oct. 1848, confined four months.)—I was present—the prisoner is the person. GUILTY . Aged 40.— Confined Twelve Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1951
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1951. CHARLOTTE JACKSON and JAMES JACKSON , stealing 24 spoons, value 13l.; 1 watch, 30l.; 1 pair of sugar-tongs, 10 shirts, and other articles, 15l. 9s.; the goods of Martha Standerwick, in her dwelling-house;also 2 watches, 8 spoons, 2 brooches, and other articles, value 9l. 10s.; the goods of John Edmond Warman Matthews, in his dwelling-house: to both of which JAMES JACKSON pleaded GUILTY .

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1952
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1952. CHARLOTTE JACKSON was again indicted for stealing 2 card-cases, 2 brooches, 1 pair of bracelets, and other articles, value 9l. 5s., the goods of William Hind Lord, in his dwelling-house; and JAMES JACKSON feloniously receiving the same: to which


29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1953
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1953. JAMES JACKSON was again indicted for stealing 5 sovereigns, 4 halfcrowns, 5 shillings, and 8 sixpences, 1 watch, 2 pairs of trowsers, 2 pencil-cases, and other articles, value 9l.; the property of James Henry Nott Argyle: to which he pleaded GUILTY .

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1954
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentencesTransportation; Transportation

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1954. CHARLOTTE JACKSON and JAMES JACKSON were again indicted for stealing 6 spoons, 1 breast-pin, 3 shirt-studs, 2 books, 150 pencil-cases, and other articles, value 94l. 10s.; the goods of Alfred Tullett, the master of Charlotte Jackson, and 1 pair of boots, 1 dressing-case, and 1 breast-pin, value 11l.; the goods of: William Farr, in the dwelling-house of Alfred Tullett: to which

JAMES JACKSON pleaded GUILTY . Aged 35.— Transported for Ten Years.

MR. PAYNE conducted the Prosecution.

ALFRED TULLETT . I am a stationer and bookseller at 170, High-street, Whitechapel—the female prisoner came into my service on 28th Aug. On Sunday morning, 2d Sept., I went to Church with my wife, leaving the prisoner in the house—I returned a few minutes after one o'clock, and was not able to get in—I afterwards got in at the window—I could not find the prisoner—I found my bedroom in a very disturbed state, and missed five or six brushes, some ruby studs, a gold chain, a pencil-case, a tea-spoon, and a great variety of other property—this gold pencil-case, gold chain, silver ring, two shawls, and all these articles (produced by Kelly) formed a portion of what I missed—I communicated with the police, and on 6th Sept. accompanied the policeman to the New Cut, where we found both prisoners, and they were taken into custody—the female had then a dress of my wife's and a shawl on, part of the missing property, and the man some trowsers of mine.

Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. Would not these things be very bulky? A. Not very—I saw a ring found in the female's box, but it was not considered to be a wedding-ring.

THOMAS KELLY (police-sergeant, H 2). I went with Wigley and Mr. Tullett, and he pointed out the prisoners to me—I told the female she was charged with committing a robbery at Mr. Tullett's, her master's—she asked me if I meant to insult her—I told the man he was charged with being concerned in a robbery at Whitechapel—he said, "I was never there but twice; I do not deny being there on Sunday"—he said, "That female is under my protection, do not insult her"—I saw a box which Charlotte said was hers, and in it I found the whole of the property produced.

Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. Had you examined the premises? A. Yes, I did not find any marks of violence—this is the ring (produced—set with green stones)—I never mentioned a wedding-ring.

JAMES FREELAND . I live at 29, Cornwall-road, Lambeth. The prisoners lodged with me nearly 4 weeks at different times—when they were gone, the door was locked.

Cross-examined. Q. How long did they live in your house? A. They came on 1st Aug., stopped there three or four days, went away, came sgain, and

staid till they were taken—they cohabited together as man and wife—I did not know either of their names; I thought they were man and wife—they paid 9d. a night.

MR. TULLETT re-examined. This ring is mine; the female had a mode of carrying parcels in the skirt of her dress—a good deal of this small property might have been so carried away—I have lost about 100l. worth—I received a good written character with her, which turned out to be false—I took her into my service as a single woman—I should not have taken her if I had known she had been married—my house is in the parish of St. Mary, Whitechapel. GUILTY . Aged 24.— Transported for Ten Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1955
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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1955. JOHN TODITTLE and WILLIAM PALMER , stealing 48 copy-books, value 14s.; the goods of Frederick Weakling: to which

PALMER pleaded GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Four Months.

ALFRED GREEN , (City-policeman, 376). On 4th Oct., about five o'clock in the afternoon, I saw the prisoners together looking into a stationer's shop, 9, Farringdon-street, about three yards from the door—Palmer went back, and I saw him take some books from a case in the shop—he came out again, joined Todittle, and they went away together towards Fleet-street—Palmer then gave Todittle some of the books; he put them under his coat, and they ran towards Bride-lane—I followed and took them; they began scuffling—I threw them down, and saw two packets of books lying against Todittle's feet—I took the prisoners to the station, and there I found one packet close to Palmer's feet.

FREDERICK MEERES . I am assistant to Mr. Weakling, of Farringdon-street. These books are his, and were in the shop that afternoon.

TODITTLE— GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Four Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1956
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1956. JOHN FIELD , stealing 1 coat, value 2s. 6d.; the goods of Thomas Sumner, from his person: having been before convicted.

GEORGE JERAM (policeman, D 295). On Tuesday, 18th Sept., at one in the morning, I was on duty, and saw the prisoner about six yards from the prosecutor, who was staggering about quite drunk—I saw the prisoner lay hold of him by the collar and pull his coat off—he then put his hand into his right hand breeches pocket, and when he saw me he ran away with the coat on his arm—I ran after him, and did not lose sight of him till 1 caught him—I took the coat from him, took him to the station, and the prosecutor also for being drunk.

Cross-examined by MR. MEW. Q. The prosecutor was very drunk? A. Yes; the prisoner was not.

THOMAS SUMNER . On Monday night, 17th Sept., I had been to my club, and got very much in liquor—I was going home along the New-road—I do not recollect my coat being taken from me—I do not recollect the prisoner before I saw him at the station—I was at the station, and was brought up the next day and discharged—this coat produced is mine.

Cross-examined. Q. You were very drunk? A. Yes; I first found I was in the station about one o'clock.

JAMES PIERCE (policeman, D 26). I produce a certificate—(read—John Field convicted Aug., 1847; confined three months)—I was present—the prisoner is the party. GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Twelve Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1957
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1957. CHARLES EDWARD WILLIAMS , stealing 1 pair of boots, value 5s.; the goods of John Wilkinson.

MARK WILKINSON . I am nine years old, and live with my father, John

Wilkinson. On 6th Oct., I was playing in a field at Ball's Pond—the prisoner came and said, "Will you come and race for a penny and a boat?"—I said, "Yes"—he told me to pull off my boots first, and he would give me the boat if I took them off—I took them off, and he said he would take care of them—I was to run with my little brother—we set off, and when we came back the prisoner was gone and the boots too—I am sure he is the boy.

JOHN WILKINSON . The last witness is my son. On this day he went out with some boots on, and came back without any—they were mine.


29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1958
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1958. CHARLES EDWARD WILLIAMS was again indicted for stealing 1 pair of boots, value 3s. 6d.; the goods of Joseph Addis.

JOSEPH ADDIS , Junior. I am nine years old. One afternoon, about the 10th of last May, I was playing on Clapham-common—the prisoner came up to me and asked me to run—I said, "Yes"—he said, "Pull off your boots," and said he would mind them—Hughes, who was with me, was to run also—we were to start at Clapham Church, go to the pound and back again, and then the last was to have two pence, a knife, and a pair of German silver studs, and the other one six pence—he showed them to us, and gave Hughes the knife to put in his boots, and me the pair of studs to put in my boots, and I left my boots in his charge—we went to the place and ran back again, and when we got back he was gone and the boots too.

WILLIAM HUGHES . I am eight years old. I was playing on Clapham-common with Addis; the prisoner came and asked us to play with him—we were to walk from the Church to the place where the sheep go, and run back, and we were to take our boots off, and be would mind them—the one who lost was to have two pence, a knife, and a pair of German silver studs; and the one who won was to have three pence or six pence—we walked together to the pound, and ran back, and when we got back he was gone and the boots too.

JOSEPH ADDIS , Senior. The first witness is my son—he went out on this day with boots on, which I supplied him—I was not at home when he came back—I afterwards saw him the same day without any boots. GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Six Months.

(There were two other indictments against the prisoner.)

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1959
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1959. THOMAS BROOKS , stealing 1 coat and 1 waistcoat, value 1l. 10s.; the goods of Samuel Varley, his master: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 24.— Confined Four Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1960
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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1960. JOHN ALEXANDER and JOHN BUTLER , stealing 1 frock, value 3s.; the goods of Elizabeth Mary Chapman; Butler having been before convicted.

ELIZABETH MARY CHAPMAN . I am single, and live in Market-street, Kingsland—I sell clothes—this child's frock (produced) is mine—I saw it safe on Wednesday, 10th Oct., between twelve and one o'clock, pinned to a dress that hung to the door-post—I did not miss it till the officer brought it to me about four o'clock.

GEORGE LANODON (policeman). About half-past one on 10th Oct. I was in Kingsland-road, and saw the two prisoners together going towards Shoreditch—Alexander had something very bulky in the breast of his coat, which was buttoned up—I went up and asked them what they had got—they said nothing—I took them to the station, and on unbuttoning Alexander's coat I found this frock—I charged them on suspicion of stealing it—I afterwards

took it to Chapman, and she owned it—on the way to the Court, Alexander said Butler took it and gave it to him.

ROBERT YOUNG (policeman). I produce a certificate—(read—John Butler, convicted Dec. 1848, and confined three months)—I was present—Butler is the man.

ALEXANDER— GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Four Months. BUTLER— GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Twelve Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1961
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1961. JOHN EVANS , stealing 1 box, value 1d., and 1 sovereign; the property of James Drake: having been before convicted.

JAMES DRAKE . On the afternoon of 22d Sept. I was at a cellar occupied by my brother-in-law, John Baker, who carries on a fire-wood business—the prisoner, who is in my brother's employ, was working there—I left in about half an hour to have some beer, and I asked the prisoner to have some too, and while at the public-house I felt in my waistcoat-pocket for my tobacco-box, which had a sovereign in it, and it was gone—I had taken it out and used some tobacco while at the cellar—my sovereign was then safe—I thought I had put the box into my pocket again, but I am not sure—I left the prisoner at the public-house, went back to my brother's, and there heard something about my box, in consequence of which I went back to the public-house, and the prisoner was gone—that was between two and three in the day—I found the prisoner at twelve the same night in his lodgings—he had not been back to his work, he had no more work to do—I spoke to him about my box, and he said he had not seen it—I gave him into custody—I have never seen the box or money since—in the evening he had a new coat and trowsers on.

JOHN BAKER . I cut up fire-wood in my cellar—the prisoner lodged with me and worked in my cellar—Drake came to me on this afternoon about two o'clock—the prisoner was then there, my youngest son, my eldest son, and another man—I saw my brother with the tobacco-box and the sovereign in it—I picked it up off the floor, and threw it up in the window-ledge—that was before they left for the public-house—I did not think it was my brother's box—I remained in the cellar till my brother came back and made inquiry about the box—I then looked at the ledge, and it was gone—my little boy then told me something about it.

Prisoner. Q. What did Drake say to me when he came down? A. Asked you to come and work for him—I gave him a penny to get the beer, before you went—you did not come back to your work or lodging.

RICHARD BAKER . I am between ten and eleven years old. I was at my father's cellar when my uncle came—I recollect seeing my father pick up a tobacco-box and throw it on the ledge—I saw the prisoner pick it up and put it into his pocket, and then they went to the public-house—I did not know who it belonged to.

Prisoner's Defence. The prosecutor asked me to work for him, and said he would pay me to keep away from my master's.

CHARLES SMITH (policeman, S 63). I produce a certificate of the prisoner's conviction—(read—Convicted Feb. 1848, and confined four months)—I was present—he is the person.

GUILTY . Aged 23.— Confined Twelve Months.

OLD COURT.—Saturday, October 27th, 1849.


Before Edward Bullock, Esq. and the First Jury.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1962
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1962. EDWARD JOHNSON , burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Frederick Johns, and stealing 21 sponges, value 1l. 1s.; the goods of James Matthews.

JAMES MATTHEWS . I occupy a shop and parlour in Great Queen-street, Lincoln's-inn-fields—the landlord occupies the second floor. On 16th Oct., a little before ten o'clock, I left my shop, and locked the door—I went to a public-house in Drury-lane, and saw the prisoner there, with two others—I knew him by sight—after I had been there a good while, I found they bad left the room—in consequence of that, I went to my shop, and found the door bolted on the inside—I said, "Go round the back way"—I had no one with me, but was fearful they might make their escape at the back—the prisoner came out at the side door about two minutes after I went round—I went to collar him—he ran away down the street, and I after him—he threw something down an area, which sounded like keys—I went on, and saw him stopped—I gave him in charge, and pointed out the area to one policeman, and went back to my house with another, I found the door bolted inside, and the door the prisoner came out of, open, which I bad left locked—my drawers had been opened, and some sponges were on the floor, which had been on the counter—the till was open—I did not miss anything from it—I found a key on the pavement, which I gave to the policeman.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. It was a little before ten when you went to the public-house? A. After ten—I have never said it was before—I do not know how I came to sign the depositions so—I never saw the prisoner at my shop, only in the neighbourhood—I never spoke to him—it was a wet dark night—his coming out was the work of a moment—the keys were thrown down in Great Queen-street—that is one turning out of Drury-lane—he was stopped about half-way down, about 100 yards from my house—I had not lost sight of him—there was hardly anybody in the street—it is Frederick Johns's house, and is in the parish of St. Giles-in-the-Fields—the shop door must have been opened with a key—a common key would open it—they could not have got in at the side door—I left no one on the premises. GEORGE PALMER (policeman, F 69). I was on duty in Great Queen-street about half-past eleven o'clock at night, and heard a cry of" Stop thief!"—the prisoner ran out of the door of No. 50—I pursued him, and saw him throw something towards the areas—I took him to the station, searched him, and found some matches in his coat pocket—I went back to the area, and found these eight skeleton keys (produced).

Cross-examined. Q. Which side of Queen-street is the prosecutor's house? A. On the same side as Freemason's Tavern—I have been in the police twelve months—I have not been a witness here before—I stopped the prisoner about 250 yards from Little Queen-street—there are two courts, but the keys were thrown down between Drury-lane and those courts, and the prisoner was caught before he got to them.

GARRETT BARRY (policeman, A 344). I examined Matthews' back yard, and saw footmarks on the wall, quite fresh—I went with him to the area of No. 27, and found these skeleton keys—this one opened the door—I found these sponges on the floor.

Cross-examined. Q. Which wall were the footmarks on? A. That between No. 40 and 59—the back door was open.

GUILTY . Aged 25.— Confined Twelve Months.

Before Mr. Justice Maule.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1963
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1963. CHARLES THOMAS PEARCE was charged upon the Coroner's inquisition only with feloniously killing and slaying Richard David Pearce .

MR. HORRY conducted the Prosecution. JANE PEARCE . I am the widow of Richard David Pearce. He was the prisoner's brother—my husband was attacked with illness on Saturday night, 8th Sept., and on the Sunday Mr. Harris attended him—I called him in—he attended him three times on the Sunday—he prescribed for him on the Sunday morning, and sent him medicine—he gave me directions how to treat my husband—I followed his directions on the Sunday—the prisoner was sent for to see his brother on the Sunday morning—he came directly—he recommended him medicine—the last time Mr. Harris attended was on the Sunday night—after that the prisoner attended him, and no one else till the Monday, when I called Mr. Davis in—that was the very next Monday—I did not know Mr. Davis before he was called in, nor Mr. Harris either—I called in Mr. Davis by my own direction; he is an apothecary—the prisoner brought some medicine himself, and I received some from Astead—I administered them—I did not, while giving those medicines, administer any other—I faithfully attended to the prisoner's directions while he attended him, which was till the Wednesday following; the 12th—he alone attended him till the 12th—no food at all was ordered—he was to have no food at all, only iced water and the medicine—that was from the Sunday till about eight o'clock on the Wednesday morning—he then left off attending him himself, but he sent medicines afterwards—my husband was much the same on the Wednesday as he was when the prisoner came in on the Monday—I did not give any gruel or anything of that sort till the prisoner ordered it on the Wednesday—I then gave him some gruel; I did not give him anything else—after Wednesday I gave him weak beef-tea and gruel—Mr. Gobray, another medical gentleman, directed that, and a small piece of bread in it—the prisoner sent for Mr. Gobray, and he attended him twice, Wednesday and Sunday—the prisoner did not come after the Wednesday—he sent medicines with directions how to take them—that was while Mr. Gobray was attending him—the prisoner sent the medicines by the order of Mr. Gobray—the prisoner made up medicines—my husband died on the 18th—Mr. Davis gave him some medicine on the Monday evening, the day before he died—I sent for Mr. Davis myself on the 17th.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. How long have you known the prisoner? A. Ten years; I understand that he has been studying medicine for the last five years—I have heard that he is a lecturer on the physical sciences at University College—he has attended the lectures of different eminent men—I did not hear my husband request that the prisoner should be sent for; he wished to see him—I do not know that he wished to have him as a doctor—once or twice in the week my husband wished to have Mr. Harris, but he was out of town—I gave him some arrow-root on Tuesday the 11th, instead of the weak gruel, he preferred it—he vomited that up again in a few minutes—the prisoner had ordered him weak gruel—I first gave him beef-tea on the Thursday as Mr. Gobray ordered me—I gave him a little weak gruel on the Wednesday; that agreed with him—I gave him two teaspoonsful at a time—the prisoner ceased to attend him on the Wednesday on account of illness—he sent me word that he was laid up with the cholera—from that time, till Mr. Davis was called in, Mr. Gobray attended him twice—I gave him beef-tea three times on the Thursday, two spoonsful at a time, and again on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday—when Mr. Davis came on

Monday, he ordered weak brandy and water, and sent him a chalk mixture—during the whole of this time the cholera was upon him.

RICHARD HARRIS . I am a surgeon. I was called in on Sunday, 9th Sept., to attend the deceased—I found him suffering from Asiatic or malignant cholera—I saw him first about eleven o'clock in the morning, and afterwards about three in the afternoon; he was still suffering much in the same way—I saw him again about nine in the evening; his symptoms were then in some degree relieved, but I still thought him in very great danger—I found him in a state of collapse; he was in a very critical state all day on Sunday—I gave him medicines, and directions as to treatment—I thought his state one of the greatest possible danger, but not hopeless—I was prepared to go on with the case—on Sunday night, hearing that he had a brother in the profession, and finding him in such extreme danger, I asked to see him, in order that we might consult together on the case; that was entirely my request—I did afterwards see him that evening, but not professionally—I told him I considered his brother in very great danger, told him what had been done, and asked if he had any observation to make upon the case, or any suggestion to offer with regard to his brother's welfare—he then said, "As regards the old system, or the alopathic plan, you have done all you can; but as we both consider the case one of extreme danger, I should like the homoeopathic system tried on him"—I said I knew nothing at all about the doctrines of homoeopathy; and, therefore, he must take the case entirely into his own hands, that I could not act in concert or concurrence with him—he then asked if I had any objection to look in as a friend on the following day, as I could not act professionally with him—I said, certainly not; I had merely given up the case in sympathy with his feelings as a brother, and I had no objection to look in as a friend—I did not ask him whether he was a medical man—I had heard he was in the profession, and thought he was a qualified man—he said he had studied at the University four years—he spoke like a man that had studied medicine—I did not see the deceased after his death.

COURT. Q. Did you look in as a friend the next day? A. I did, and found him considerably relieved; reaction had taken place—I looked in again next day; he was not so well then—I did not see him afterwards.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. I believe you have already expressed an opinion that he died from the disease? A. I hardly know whether I am justified in giving that opinion; as far as I saw on the Sunday, the disease was sufficiently urgent to cause his death—I was vain enough to think that the measures I adopted on the Sunday had their effect on the Monday—I have no reason to suppose that the prisoner's treatment did any harm—a man in a state of collapse could not take solid food—I thought beef-tea and gruel proper for him—I ordered it, and solids when he could take them.


Before Mr. Justice Cresswell.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1964
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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1964. CHARLES SAVAGE , feloniously assaulting Grace Savage, and cutting and wounding her on the right cheek and nose, with intent to murder her: 2 other COUNTS, varying the intent.

MR. O'BRIEN conducted the Prosecution. GRACE SAVAGE. I have been married to the prisoner twenty-two years. I have not been living with him for the last month-last Saturday evening, about nine o'clock, I was in Bethnal-green, with my sister, and saw the prisoner—he asked me how I was—I told him I was middling—I asked where he had been—he said, "To the brewhouse"—he asked why I did not

bring out the baby—I said I thought the was better at home asleep—he asked if I should be at home in two hours—I said I should be at home in a few minutes—during this conversation he had both his hands behind his back—I asked what he had behind his back—he said his breakfast—I asked what made him look so white—he threw his left arm round me, and twisted me back, and then I felt my face cut—I did not see with what; it was in his right-hand—I rushed from him, and went into a greengrocer's shop—I was afterwards taken to a surgeon—my husband had been drinking—I thought he knew what he was about.

Cross-examined by MR. CHARNOCK. Q. Do not you think he had been taking a good deal of liquor that evening? A. He came up to me so instantly that I had not much time to see, but I think he had—he worked at a brew-house—he spoke affectionately of the baby, and kindly to me; my meeting him was accidental—we had no angry words—I had not seen him for three weeks before—we had had some difference—I do not think the injury was caused by my struggling to get away from him.

JOHN STEVENS . I was in Bethnal-green-road, and saw the prosecutrix and prisoner struggling as though they were fighting—I saw the prosecutrix release herself from his grasp, and run into a greengrocer's shop—I saw that the prisoner had something in his hand, but could not discern what it was—I was about rive yards from him; it appeared about six or seven inches long.

ELLEN LACKEY . I am the prosecutrix's sister. I was with her when she met the prisoner—they had some conversation—she asked what made him look so white, he made no answer, but bended her back—I could not see what he did to her—I saw he had something in his hand, I could not see what it was—I afterwards saw my sister bleeding very much.

ALFRED ALEXANDER HALL (policeman, H 127). Last Saturday night, hearing screams of murder, I went into a greengrocer's shop in Bethnal-green-road, and saw the prosecutrix bleeding very much from the face and nose—the prisoner was brought up to the door in two or three minutes, and I took him into custody—I asked what he had about him—he said, "Nothing"—I asked him to give me the razor out of his pocket, as I had heard he had a razor which he had put in his pocket—I tried to put my band in his pocket—he would not let me for some time—I did afterwards, and found this new razor (produced)—there was a razor-case also in his pocket, but the razor was not in it—there was fresh blood on the razor in two or three places, and I saw a spot of blood on his right hand.

ALGERNON SIDNEY VANDENBURGH . I am a surgeon. Last Saturday night the prosecutrix was brought to me—I found an incised wound on the cheek, about an inch and a half in length, and the end of the nose was shaven off—that was quite superficial, it was just the skin over the end of the nose—the wound must have been inflicted by a sharp instrument, such as a razor.

Cross-examined. Q. They were not dangerous wounds? A. There is always danger in wounds about the head and face—the wound in the cheek was about one-third of an inch in depth—it was an oblique wound, downward.

(The prisoner's statement before the Magistrate was here read—"I hardly know whether I did it or not, for I was the worse for liquor.")

GUILTY of an Assault. Aged 20.— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1965
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1965. WILLIAM THOMAS ALFORD , stealing whilst employed in the Post-office a post letter, containing 1 sovereign; the property of her Majesty's Postmaster-general.

MESSRS. CLARKSON and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

AMELIA HUDSON . I live at Walthamstow—I have a sister named Mary Anne Hunt—on 13th Oct. I wrote a letter to her—I put in it a sovereign in a piece of wool, and over that a piece of black lining—I placed it with the letter in an envelope directed to Mrs. Maples, 6, Hayes-place, Lissongrove—(looking at a paper produced by Peak the officer)—this is the cover of the letter—I sealed it with green wax, there is some of it on it now—I put the letter in a drawer in my bedroom on the Saturday, and on Sunday evening I brought it down into the dining-parlour and placed it on the sideboard, ready for the servant to take to the post-office in the morning—I had put one stamp on it.

Cross-examined by MR. HUDDLESTON. Q. Where did you leave the letter after you had put it in the envelope? A. In a drawer in my bedroom—I did not lock the drawer—other persons in the house had access to the room—I left it all Sunday night in the dining-room.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Had you sealed it before you put it in the drawer? A. Yes; I found it sealed, and in the same state when I took it out on the Sunday.

MARY STUD . On Monday morning, 15th Oct., I took three letters from the sideboard in the dining-room, and gave them to the gardener, Henry Pester.

HENRY PESTER . On Monday morning, 15th Oct, I took five letters to the post-office—Stud brought them to me—I took one that had a seal like this off the table, and felt that it was a full-weight one—I took the letters to the post-office, and put them in at five minutes past eight that morning.

MART ANN DYER . I am the wife of the person who keeps the post-office at Walthamstow. A letter put into the post-office before half-past eight in the morning would arrive at Whips-cross at nine; it would be forwarded by the letter-carrier to Whips-cross—I made up the letters for that delivery—this envelope bears the stamp of our office—that shows that it went from our office.

WILLIAM WILDS . I am a letter-carrier of Walthamstow. I collected the letters for the half-past eight delivery on the morning of 15th Oct. last, and took them to Whips-cross—I there untied the bundle—there are certain letters called bye-letters, I separated them from the rest, tied up the remainder, and put them all in a bag to be carried to Leytonstone by Orent.

JAMES ORENT . I am the letter-carrier and charge-taker at Walthamstow. On the morning of 15th Oct. I received the bag from Wilds, at Whips-cross—I took it to the post-office at Leytonstone, took out the bye-letters, and gave them to Mr. Dobson, the receiver—I then tied up the rest, put them in the bag again, and then put them into the boot of the mail-omnibus to go to St. Martin's-le-Grand.

GEORGE WILLIAM MILLS . I am guard of the Woodford mail. I brought the Walthamstow bag from Leytonstone on the morning of the 15th Oct.—I delivered it at the General Post-office at twenty minutes to eleven o'clock.

WILLIAM SMALLWOOD . I am a clerk in the London District Post-office. On 15th Oct. I was at the office when the Walthamstow morning mail arrived—I opened the bag about a quarter to eleven o'clock and took out the letters, and put them up, to be taken to the stampers to be stamped and sorted in the usual way—a letter arriving from Walthamstow at that hour ought to bear the twelve o'clock London Post stamp; this letter bears the twelve and one o'clock stomp; and in the proper course it should leave the

office between twelve and one—it was unsorted first for Paddington, and so had the one o'clock mark.

WELCOME COLE . I am inspector of letter-carriers of the London District Post-office. On Monday, 15th Oct. about one o'clock, in consequence of intructions, I put myself in a particular situation in the Post-office, commandaig a view of the water-closets in the basements—I could not be seen by those in the closets—immediately I got there I saw the prisoner—I did not see him enter—he had a letter in his hand, open—I observed that it was sealed with fancy-coloured wax; he took a letter from the cover, which he commenced reading—after he had read a small portion of it, he took from the inner fold of the letter a parcel, which was apparently wrapped in black or blue paper or rag, from which I saw him take what I thought was a gold coin, which he put in his mouth; he appeared then to finish reading the letter, and while so doing he dropped a piece of the letter, or the contents, on the floor—he made use of the cover, and threw it in the basin of the closet, and then made use of the other part—he got up from the seat and turned round, and as I supposed he saw the paper floating, as I saw it on the surface of the water—he adjusted his clothes, and tried to force the water fresh into the basin by pressure on the seat—the paper not going away, he put his left hand in and took out portions of it, I could not see which, and folded it up in his hand, and pressed it very tight, turned round to the window, and after watching two or three seconds, threw it out—he then left the closet, and I left the position I was in and returned to the Superintending President—on my way from the back of the building, the prisoner was standing at the back door, which I had to pass, about eighty-five yards from the window I had seen him throw the paper out of, looking towards where the paper had fallen; on passing him 1 said, "Good morning," and he nodded—I went and acquainted Mr. Robert Smith, the Superintending President, with what I had seen—the paper thrown from the window would have fallen into the Post-office-yard, or into Foster-lane—I then directed the plumber to search the closets, and he afterwards produced to me this cover porduced—I had told him to which closet he was to go—the cover corresponds with the one I saw in the prisoner's hand by the wax—I afterwards went to where I presume the paper fell—the prisoner had an opportunity of going there while I went to the President.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. YOU were only watching the closets, hot the prisoner in particular? A. No—I was watching two closets—there was no one in the other the whole time I was there, the prisoner was the only person that came in—I knew the prisoner before, by seeing him in the office—I watched from a closet adjoining the water-closet, it is above it—I looked down upon it—he would know nothing at all about it; the light comes in from a window, and there is a gas light always burning—I had heard the prisoner's name, but 1 did not know it—when he nodded to me he was at the backdoor leading into the Superintending President's office—that is the nearest door to the window of the closet—there are other closets in the same locality, but not in the same division—I was not present when the letter was found—the prisoner had no hat on when I was looking at him—the seat was about seven or eight feet below me, directly in front of me.

WILLIAM BLACKBURN . I am the plumber of the Post-office—on 15th Oct. my attention was directed to one of the closets in the basement by Cole—in pursuance of directions given me in the earlier part of the day; I stopped

the pipe of the water-closet at a quarter to one o'clock—the closet is a self-acting one, the seat drops with the weight of a person sitting on it, and rises when they leave it—when it is stopped the water passes, but no substance—directly Mr. Cole told me, I went to the closet; that was about a quarter-past one—I found no one there—I examined it and found the cover of a letter, and the pieces I had put in previously—I believe this cover produced is it—I gave it to Mr. Cole.

WALTER ROBERTSON SCULTHORPE . I am one of the Presidents of the London District Post-office—the prisoner has been employed there three months, as a clerk—on 15th Oct. I received this cover from Blackburn—if a letter directed to Lisson-grove was posted at Walthamstow post-office, at a quarter before eight o'clock, it would arrive at the chief office about twenty minutes to eleven, it would have to be sent to the Northrow Branch-office for delivery—this letter bears both the twelve and one o'clock stamp, which denotes that there had been some missorting—it is surcharged twopence, being above the half ounce—the prisoner was on duty at the Post-office on 15th Oct., and told-up the unpaid letters for the one o'clock North-row dispatch—this letter would be among those—he was permitted to leave his duty about two, and retired at half-past four—in consequence of what I had heard J then took him to Mr. Smith, the Superintending President, and charged him with stealing a letter at one o'clock—the prisoner said, "I did not"—I took him into my room—Mr. Cole came in, and I said to him in the prisoner's presence, "Do you know this person?"—he said, "Yes"—I said, "Was this the person you saw destroy a letter at one o'clock?"—Mr. Cole said, "Yes; I will swear it"—I then gave him into Peak's custody—the prisoner did not say anything.

Cross-examined. Q. About how many persons were there about the Post-office about one o'clock? A. There might be thirty or forty—the prisoner must have been highly recommended, or he would not have been appointed—he conducted himself with propriety while there—he had received his salary on the Friday before this—it was 16l. or 17l.

MATTHEW PEAK . I am an officer attached to the Post-office. I took the prisoner into custody on 15th Oct., on this charge—he did not say anything—I searched him, and found on him 27s., in silver, one sovereign, and 12d. in halfpence.

MATILDA MAPLES . I live at 6, Hayes-place, Lisson-grove. I did not on 15th Oct. receive any letter of this kind, or at any other time.

MR. BALLANTINE called ELIZABETH ALFORD. I am the prisoner's sister, and am lady's-maid to the Duchess of Inverness. I remember the prisoner coming to me at Kensington Palace, where I was with the Duchess on the Sunday before 15th Oct., before this charge was made against him; he owed me some money, and paid me five sovereigns, I gave him one back again—he then had a quantity of silver in his possession, but what I cannot say—he is nineteen years old the 12th of next Dec—he has always borne a good character for honesty. GUILTY . Strongly recommended to mercy on account of his youth.— Confined Eighteen Months.

Before Mr. Justice Cresswell.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1966
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1966. MACKENZIE M'KAY , stealing whilst employed in the Post-office a post letter, containing 1 neckerchief and 1s.; the property of the Postmastergeneral.

MR. CLARKSON and MR. BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

CHARLOTTE RADFORD . I reside at Medina-place, Brixton-hill. On 15th

Oct. I addressed a letter to Miss Doughty, Bankside, near the Hoy Inn, Margate—I enclosed in it a silk-handkerchief folded up, and 1s., wrapped in a piece of blotting-paper and then in a piece of tissue-paper—I also inclosed a letter, fastened it with wax and put two stamps on it—I gave the letter to my father-in-law to post, while I remained in the chaise—I saw him go into the shop—it was about five minutes to twelve o'clock in the day—I believe this handkerchief (produced) to be the same I enclosed—I did not purchase it myself—this cover (produced) is my handwriting, and these are parts of the letter—the handkerchief was produced to me that same night by Cole—this blotting-paper (produced) looks very much like that in which I put the 1s.,—it is in holes at the folds.

THOMAS RADFORD . I am father-in-law of the last witness. On 15th Oct. I received a letter from her to take to the post-office; it was directed, Miss Doughty, near the Hoy, Margate—I drove to Brixton Church, got out and posted the letter at a shop opposite, in the same state I received it, at five minutes before twelve o'clock—I was present, when my daughter-in-law inclosed the 1s., she put it in a little bit of blotting-paper—I wrapped it up—she also inclosed a little neck-tie for the baby, wrapped in a bit of tissue-paper—I have since seen one—I should say it was the same.

CHARLES MIDGLEY . I am assistant to the letter-carrier at Brixton. I find the stamp of the Brixton post-office on portions of this letter—a letter posted there at twelve o'clock, would be forwarded by the letter-carrier to Clapham at a quarter-past one.

MATTHEW PEAK . I am a constable of the Post-office. I produce a piece of blotting-paper, which I got from the prisoner's waistcoat-pocket.

THOMAS RADFORD re-examined. It was such a piece of blotting-paper as this in which the shilling was wrapped—it is the same sort as my daughter-in-law had lying on her desk.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. I suppose it is the same sort of blotting-paper that any daughter-in-law of any gentleman in London might have on her desk? A. I dare say it is.

ANN TURNER . I am in the service of Mrs. Radford. On the morning of 15th Oct., I purchased a neckerchief for her at Mr. Bennett's, at Brixton-hill—I brought it home, and gave it to Mr. Radford—it was such a one as that produced.

MART ANN BENNETT . I sold a lady's neckerchief to Turner, on 15th Oct.; to the best of my belief this it—I had six of them—the officer showed me this the same night; I then had the other five in stock.

JOHN ROBINSON . I am a letter-carrier at Clapham. On 15th Oct., about half-past one o'clock, I collected the letters which had been posted at the post-office at Brix ton-hill—I took them to the sorting-office at Clapham, delivered the paid letters to Mr. Baldwin, and the stamped ones I tied up myself—I noticed two or three letters that were not included in the tied-up ones—they were not very thick, but soft, and were kept separate for fear they should burst; they were put loose into the bag.

Cross-examined. Q. How many letters were put in loose? A. Two of three; not more than three—that does not occur every day—the bag is forwarded to London by the mail-cart.

BALDWIN. I am chief charge-taker at the Clapham-office—I made up, and dispatched the bag to London on 15th Oct., about five minutes before two o'clock—the letters brought to me by Robinson were included in that dispatch.

GEORGE JOHN ROUGH . I am driver of the mail from Clapham. On 15th

Oct., I took the two o'clock dispatch from the Clapham-office to the General Post-office—I delivered it there at twenty-six minutes past two.

Cross-examined. Q. Does your duty end after the delivery of the bags? A. Yes: I have nothing to do with opening them.

WELCOME COLE . I am an inspector of letter-carriers at the London District-office. In consequence of what had occurred before, on 15th Oct. I placed myself in a situation to command a view of the water-closets, without being seen by the persons in them—it was about half-past two o'clock—some directions had previously been given to the plumber—between ten minutes and a quarter-past three I saw the prisoner enter the closet—I have known him upwards of eight years, the whole time he has been in the office—he seated himself on the seat, and took from his pocket a letter, which he broke opeo, and, in so doing, I observed that there were two postage labels upon it—he then tore the envelope twice cross ways, and threw it down the sink on bis left hand—he then unfolded the letter, took out a small portion of it, which appeared to me to be dirty paper, which he broke, and from which he took a silver coin, I could not say whether it was a shilling or a sixpence—he put it in his trowsers—pocket—he then unfolded the letter further, upon which 1 instantly saw a lady's neckerchief—he destroyed the whole of the letter by tearing it in pieces, apparently made use of it, and threw it in the basin—he then got off the seat, put the handkerchief in his left coat-pocket behind, adjusted his clothes, took the handkerchief from his pocket again, unfolded it, looked at it, then pot it into his pocket, and hurriedly left the closet—I immediately went and informed Mr. Smith, the Superintending President, of that I had seen; and, in consequence of his directions, I went to Blackburn, the plumber, and in a very few minutes I received from him these fragments of a letter, and this envelope—I had sent him to the first of the two water-closets where the prisoner had been—after the prisoner had been taken into the President's room, I accompanied Mr. Sculthorpe down stairs, and saw him take a great coat from a peg pointed out to him by a clerk—that coat was afterwards owned by the prisoner—he changed it in my presence for the one he then had on, and wore it—I saw Mr. Sculthorpe take from the pocket of that coat this handkerchief, which I believe to be the same that I saw the prisoner with in the water-closet.

Cross-examined. Q. Will you swear positively that is the handkerchief you saw? A. No, I will not; but to the best of my belief it is—the water-closet only contains one seat—there is another closet adjoining it—I had been watching there before a little before one, and then saw the young man who was last tried—I did not return again till half-past two o'clock—I was watching near three quarters of an hour before the prisoner came in—it was at a time when a great many collections arrive from the suburbs—the persons would not quite have finished their duty—I saw no one but the prisoner during the three quarters of an hour—I have not given evidence in other cases of this description, only the one this morning—I had watched the prisoner before that day—I had not watched others particularly, I had seen them—I had no instructions to watch anybody, until I observed the prisoner on a former occasion—I have watched the closet before 15th Oct., and seen many persons enter, but did not see anything destroyed—I have been a very short time employed in watching, three weeks at various times—I have not given any evidence with reference to those three weeks, only to-day—the place in which I was would enable me to see both seats—there is a separate door to each closet—they are parted by a partition—I was above the partition, and looked down—I looked through an aperture, not through any glass—there was space enough for me

to see with both eyes—I occasionally looked with both, and sometimes with one and sometimes the other—it was rather inconvenient for me to look with both—I watched both the seats from the same aperture—I could see both doors at the same time, but not both seats—I am an inspector of letter-carriers, and that is my duty—my duty is according to the instructions of my superior officers—I have many duties at the Post-office—it has been my duty to watch for the detection of frauds—I have been in the Post-office twenty-four years—that has not been my duty during the whole of that time—I have frequently had to do it—I believe that is pretty generally known in the Post-office—I did not go with Blackburn to the closet—I went with him within a short distance of it, and told him which it was—he returned in five or six minutes—I have no other calling besides Post-office duty, I am quite sure of that—I do not carry on any business besides—I had a son in the Post-office, he was eighteen years old—he is not there now—he was discharged—I live at 2, Melvin-place—I have not got a greengrocer's shop there—I have nothing to do with it, it is my son's—the same son you allude to—I have not the slightest interest in the business—he is now twenty-five or twenty-six years old—he has been discharged from the Post-office five or six years—his Christian name is the same as my own—the name of "Cole" is over the door—I receive a regular salary for my duty at the office; I receive something in addition—I have received 2s. for attending here to-day, for refreshment, from the Solicitor of the Post-office—I receive other additions to my salary, very trifling—I am frequently sent eight or ten miles into the country, and I have my coach-hire, nothing more—I only receive the 2s. for my expenses here—I did not receive 2s. for the last case—I shall receive 2s. a day for the days I have been away from the office on this business—I have only been one day before the Grand Jury, and one day here—I shall only receive 4s., nothing more, except the expense of coach-hire which I have been put to—I was sent last evening to Brixton, to order the persons to attend here—I went to Brixton in an omnibus—from there to Clapham, and from there in a cab to Hayes-place, Lisson-grove; I charge 6s. 6d. for that—I came from Hayes-place to Pentonville in an omnibus—on one occasion, many years ago, I received 30l., as a reward for detecting a man stealing a letter—ray salary is now 120l. a year—I am not paid my additional expenses every week, it may be in the course of a fortnight or a month—I present my bill whenever occasion requires me—I may not have occasion to present a bill for a much longer period—I have not received any other sum besides the 30l.—yes I did, I think two years ago—it was a portion of a reward offered by Government, for the apprehension of a man who escaped from the Post-office—my portion was 10l.—I never received anything else.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Do you submit your expenses to a superior officer before they are paid? A. I do, to Mr. Smith, the Superintending President, and he certifies that they are correct before they are paid—the 10l. I received was from the Solicitor of the Post-office—the reward altogether was 20l.—Peak had the other 10l.—I think the 30l. was twelve years ago—I had then been nearly twelve years in the Post-office—it was ordered to be given me by the Postmaster-General—from the time I saw the prisoner enter the water-closet, no one came in to draw my attention from him—the two closets open into the same room—I accompanied Blackburn within fourteen or sixteen yards of the closets, the prisoner was in the first.

WILLIAM BLACKBURN . I am the plumber belonging to the Post-office. On 15th Oct., about three o'clock, I was sent by Mr. Cole to the first water-closet—I searched it, and found some parts of a letter floating on the water—I

took them out and gave them to Mr. Cole—I bad previously stopped the pipe of the closet at a quarter to one—I was there at a quarter-past one.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you receive simply your wages at the Post-office in these cases, or anything extra? A. Simply my wages—I am not paid anything extra for attending here to day.

WALTER ROBERTSON SCULTHORPE . The prisoner has been in the employment of the Post-office for eight or nine years—he was on duty on 15th Oct. last—the Clapham two o'clock dispatch arrived at half-past two—the prisoner opened the bag—it was his duty to check the number and amount of the paid letters, and to place the stamped letters on one side to be taken to another portion of the office to be sorted—if there were any stamped letters loose in the bag, he should place them with the bundle of stamped letters to be taken away to be sorted—I saw him that day employed in the performance ofthat duty—in consequence of something I heard, I sent for the prisoner about half-past three that afternoon—I took him into Mr. Smith, the President's private room, and said, "There is a letter missing containing a handkerchief and 1s., and you have been seen to destroy it"—he was very much confused—Mr. Smith said, "You hear what Mr. Sculthorpe says; what have you to say?"—he answered," I have not seen such a letter"—he was then searched by Peak—he had on his office or working coat—I asked if he had another coat down-stairs; he said he had—I went down into a room where the men hang their coats up—a coat was pointed out by a man named Everett; and in the left-hand pocket of it I found this handkerchief which has been produced—I then took the coat and handkerchief up-stairs, to the prisoner—I asked whether that was his coat; he said it was—I said, "I have found this handkerchief in the coat pocket"—he said it must have been put there by design or accident, as there were other coats hanging there—he took off the coat he had on, and put on the other, and was taken to the solicitor's office.

Cross-examined. Q. Is the witness Cole in your department? A. He is; I believe he does not receive anything from the Post-office besides his annual salary—occasionally the Postmaster General has been pleased perhaps to make him a present of 10l. for his services—I remember a case of that kind about three years ago—I do not remember any other—he may hare received more—I have only been connected with this painful duty five years—I feel it to be painful, and in consequence of the painful nature of it I have declined to have anything more to do with it—the bag that comes from Clapham would be emptied on the table in the presence of a good many persons, who would be waiting to carry the letters away to other departments—they would not be standing round the table, but sitting side by side—they are porters, the stamped letters are taken by a porter—I do not know what porter took the stamped letters on this occasion; I have not inquired—one porter would not do the whole duty. Q. Has the prisoner at any time refused to perform any duty? on the Friday before this transaction was he asked to do Sunday duty at the Post-office? A. I recollect on the Friday before he was seen to destroy another letter—that is the only thing I recollect about the Friday before—that was by Cole, not by me—I had the letter afterwards in my possession—I am not aware that he had been asked on the Friday previous to do Sunday duty—I did not ask him—I believe all in the establishment were asked—I believe he refused; I cannot say—he was in my department—I know the names of those in my department who refused, because evervbody has

refused, and therefore I may say that the prisoner has—there were a great many coats hanging in the place where the prisoner's coat was; there were seven pegs all full—there might have been one or two coats hanging on the same peg—I did not notice—the prisoner's coat was the first I took hold of, it was pointed out to me—it is a common passage, through which a great many persons would go from time to time—the prisoner may at times have called my attention to loose money that had fallen from letters, it is frequently the case—I do not recollect his doing so.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. How many years have you been in the Post-office? A. Twenty-five.

JOHN EVERETT . I am a clerk in the London District Office. I pointed out the prisoner's coat to Mr. Sculthorpe—I knew it to be his; there were no others hanging on the same peg, there were close to it.

Cross-examined. Q. Was it the prisoner's duty to sort the stamped letters? A. No; the stamped letters from the Clapham bag would be put down to some of the sub-sorters, or clerks, to be sorted.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. There are letters which, from their bulk and softness, it is considered desirable not to strap, lest they should burst? A. The letters do not tie so well together then, and they put them in loose—it would be the duty of whoever opened the bag to stand those letters on one side, they would be taken away together.

MATTHEW PEAK (re-examined). I searched the prisoner and found on him six shillings, three sixpences, and one half-crown.

Cross-examined. Q. Was there a 4d.-piece? A. I think not—the blotting-paper was among the silver in his waistcoat pocket.

JURY to WELCOME COLE. Q. When the prisoner was in the closet had he the same coat on in which the handkerchief was afterwards found? A. I am not able to say, they were both dark coats, and the pockets were similar in both.

(Rev. Joseph Fisher, of the Presbyterian Church of England; Alexander Stewart, surgeon, of Aldersgate-street; William Forsyth, surgeon, of Charing-cross; Alexander Macintosh, commission agent, Warwick-lane, Newgate-street; John Stewart, tea-dealer, Walworth-road; John Murray, coal-merchant, Great Scotland-yard; and William Farmer, of Charlotte-terrace, Islington, deposed to the prisoner's good character.) GUILTY . Aged 26.—Strongly recommended to mercy by the Jury, on account

of his good character.— Transported for Seven Years.

NEW COURT.—Saturday, October 27th 1849.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Sixth Jury.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1967
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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Reference Numbert18491029-1970
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MARY ANN KILLMAN . I am housemaid to Lady Louisa Emily Seaford, of Eaton-square. On the morning of 5th Oct. I opened the parlour-window down from the top, and left the room for about five minutes—I returned and found the window open from the bottom, and the time-piece was gone—this it it (produced)—it is Lady Seaford's.

JAMES THOMAS . I am a plasterer. I was at work on the morning of 5th Oct not a hundred yards from Lady Seaford's house—I saw the two prisoners together before eight o'clock—I saw them again after breakfast—I lost sight of them for about a minute—I then saw Seabright come round with something under his arm—I jumped off the scaffold, and sung out that he had got something away—I had lost sight of Ingram—I did not see him again till the Monday—I had seen both the prisoners together for some time, looking at me working.

JOHN HOLDER . I received information from Thomas—I ran after Seabright round Eaton-square—he had this time-piece—he saw me, and took it from under his arm and threw it into the square. FRANCIS STREET. I saw Ingram running, and Froud after him. JOHN FROUD. I saw Ingram leave Lady Seaford's house—he came to me at the corner, passed me, and ran down Elizabeth-street into Manchester-square. Ingram. I was not there; I know nothing at all about it

SEABRIGHT— GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Six Months. INGRAM— GUILTY.—  Aged 18.— Confined One Year.

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Reference Numbert18491029-1971
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HENRY CREWE . I am an officer of the Customs. On 25th Sept. I was lodging at 63, King-street, Stepney—the house is one story high—I and my wife live at the top—we were out on 25th of Sept—we came home together, and found our room-door had been broken open—a drawer had been broken open, and I missed from it sixteen sovereigns, seven silver spoons, and a pair of sugar-tongs—I also missed two coats—Mr. Collier's people occupy the lower part of the house—they were not in when we came back—we found the street-door shut, and the police standing outside—we got in with the key.

WILLIAM FEARNE (policeman, K 105). On Tuesday night, 25th Sept., I was in King-street, Stepney, in plain clothes—I saw Dickinson just by No. 63, with his back towards the door—I went down a short distance and turned back—he was then walking away—I know he is the person.

ANN TICKNER . I live at 62, King-street, Stepney. I was standing at my own door at a quarter-past eight o'clock in the evening, on 25th Oct.—I saw the two prisoners come out of No. 63, where Mr. Crewe lives—I am sure they

are the two men—Gibson had two coats thrown over his shoulder—they walked down the street—I passed the door of 63 after they were gone, it was open—the knocker was off and was put on the step—the parlour-shutters were put to, but not fastened—a person in my house went for a policeman. ELIZABETH STEVENS. I am the wife of Thomas Stevens, of Princes-street, Whitechapel. Gibson lodged with me on 25th Sept.—Dickinson is an acquaintance of his—I have seen them together—a woman named Elmer lodged in my house—on that evening, about six o'clock, the two prisoners and Elmer left my house together—Gibson came home afterwards and said he was going over the water to take two bed-winches—I observed that they were all three together about twelve that night—I heard them bid one another good night—my house is about one mile from Stepney Church.

JOSEPH EDWARD COLLIER . The house 63, King-street, Stepney, belongs to me; it is my dwelling-house, and is in the parish of St. Dunstan, Stepney. On 25th Sept. I left home about half-past two o'clock with my wife—I know a woman named Elmer, she has been employed by us for the last two or three years—we left her in charge of our house, to fasten it up and to take the key round to my wife's mother.

WILLIAM SMITH (policeman, K 220). On 3d Oct. I apprehended Gibson at 24, Charles-street, Waterloo-town—I asked if he had any objection to go with me to Arbour-square—he said, "No;" I told him it was for committing a robbery in King-street, Stepney, on 25th Sept.—he said, "I know nothing about that; I was at my brother's, at the Victoria Tavern, in Waterloo-road, all the evening"—I took Dickenson the same evening—I asked him to go with me to the station—I said it was for two coats and sixteen sovereigns, and some spoons—he said, "I know nothing about it; I was at the Victoria Tavern, in Waterloo-road, from six till eleven o'clock that evening." DICKINSON— GUILTY . Aged 23. GIBSON— GUILTY . Aged 24. Confined One Year.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1972
VerdictsGuilty > with recommendation; Guilty > unknown
SentencesImprisonment; Imprisonment

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1972. EDWARD ASSITER , stealing 1 bushel of oats and chaff, value 1s. 3d.; the goods of George Bagley, his master: and WILLIAM MAYNARD , feloniously receiving the same.

GEORGE BAGLEY . I am a market-gardener at Fulham—Assiter was in my service. On 19th Oct. he was sent to Mr. Cubitt's, at Milbank, to fetch some straw—in about an hour after he had left, the two horses, and the empty cart were brought back by a strange man—Assiter had been allowed to take some oats and chaff in his nose-bags, but no more—I have seen the oats and chaff which is here—I have compared it with what was in my manger, and I believe it to be the same—it is more than Assiter would be allowed for his horses.

LUKE BUCK (police-sergeant, V 39). On the morning of 19th Oct. I saw Assiter in charge of an empty cart and two horses—he turned them into a lane, and stopped at the yard of the World's End public-house, where Maynard is ostler—he had some conversation with Maynard, and returned to the top of the lane and looked about—he then went back to the cart and took a bag out, and handed it to Maynard, and Maynard gave him something in return—I went and took Maynard as he was emptying the contents of the bag into the horse-trough—this is the mixture—Assiter came back to the cart, and was taken.

Assiter's Defence. I took the horses there, and there was some food in the bottom of the bag; I put it out to give the horses; I stopped and had two

pints of beer; there was then a small quantity in the bag; I handed it to Maynard, and told him to put it with the other.

ASSITER— GUILTY .—Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor.— Confined Three Months. MAYNARD— GUILTY .— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1973
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1973. NATHANIEL BARRETT and JAMES WILSON , feloniously assaulting Robert Mason, with intent to rob him.

MR. BRIARLY conducted the Prosecution.

ROBERT MASON . I am now living on my property—I have been an attorney—I live at Dalston. On 7th Oct., about two o'clock in the afternoon, I was passing through Brook-street, and just before I got to Newington-common, I met the two prisoners coming in an opposite direction—they would not allow me to go on, and Barrett appeared to me to make a snatch at my watch—the ribbon and key were hanging out of my pocket, and at the same moment I received a push from Wilson—I held up my walking-stick, and then they began to abuse me, saying, "I will knock your b—old head off," and so on—they retreated, and I kept following them up as well as I could—they went into a beer-shop, and came out again—one of them went up a turning, and the other stood still abusing me—they disappeared soon after they came out of the beer-shop—I could not find a policeman, and could not take the prisoners till the following morning—one was taken at his mother's house.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. YOU knew who they were? A. No; but in the crowd which collected, one man said, "One of them is Nat Barrett"—they made no attempt to escape, only went into a beer-shop—there were no other persons in Brook-street—I did not use my stick—I do not think it was holding up my stick which prevented them from getting my watch, it was too near a populous neighbourhood—I have since ascertained that one of them had been in honest employ—they had been to the beer-shop, and were rather in drink—I think it is possible they might not intend to rob me. NOT GUILTY .

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1974
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1974. HUGH JOHNSON , feloniously forging and uttering an order for the payment of 4l., with intent to defraud Abraham Hesford.

SARAH HESFORD . I am the wife of Abraham Hesford. The prisoner boarded with me for some weeks—on 13th Sept. he gave me this order for the payment of 4l.—he said he bad received it from the captain of the ship—I asked him to put his name on it, and he put his name on the back—I gave him a half sovereign and 7s. in change—he had paid me before.

WILLIAM MILLIR . I am clerk to Messrs. Tindall, shipowners—they act as brokers for the ship Cestus—I know the writing of the master of that ship—this note is not his writing—it is forged.

CORNELIUS FOAY (police-sergeant, H 7). I took the prisoner into custody—I spoke to him about these notes—I asked him if he had signed them—he said" Yes"—I said, "They are written very badly"—he said, "Yes; the captain and I had a bottle of wine over them."

Prisoner's Defence. I was on board the Cestus four days; I took this note to Mrs. Hesford, and she gave me change; if she knew my notes were bad, why did not she give them to me back; the armourer brought them to me. GUILTY . Aged 41.— Confined Nine Months.

(There was another indictment against the prisoner).

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1975
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1975. FREDERICK ELLIOTT , stealing 23 lbs. weight of paper, and other articles, value 15s.; the goods of George Stiff, his master.

MR. CAARTEEN conducted the Prosecution. GEORGE STIFF . I am a printer and publisher, at No. 334, Strand. I have a printing-office in Seacoal-lane—the prisoner was employed as a machine-maker at that office—I print the London Journal, and Tracts for the People, and Faust—here are some parts of the London Journal, of 28th Sept. and of 13th Oct., they are my property, and were published in my office, and I lost them—this bundle marked "A" is of September 29th—this bundle was brought to me by Bantry—these had not been delivered from my office—they are waste copies, and had been put away—they never ought to have been out of my possession—I communicated with the police, and the prisoner was taken on 5th Oct—I handed over this bundle marked" A" to the officer, it is worth about 3s.

JOHN WILLIAM STEVENS . I am a fishmonger, of William-street, Shoreditch. This bundle of paper, marked "A," was brought to me by the prisoner, on 28th Sept.—I bought it of him—he asked 2d. a lb. for it—there are 24 lbs. and a half.

Prisoner. I told my master, who took them and gave them to me, a boy of the name of Wales.

GEORGE STIFF re-examined. He told me yesterday, by a letter from his mother, that there was another boy named Wales, and a third boy, who got in at my window, and Wales took it to his residence, and the prisoner went and got it from there. GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1976
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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1976. WILLIAM MORRISS and WILLIAM LAMBERT , stealing 2 books, and 4 pieces of paper, value 5d.; the goods of George George, from his person.

MR. PRENDERGAST conducted the Prosecution.

GEORGE GEORGE . I am a Custom-house officer. On the afternoon of 6th Aug., about a quarter-past three o'clock, I was going along Osborne-street, Whitechapel—I saw the prisoner in company with three others—I was making my way into Whitechapel, and received a push from Morriss—I turned and perceived Lambert's hand at my pocket—I tried to secure him, and in so doing, I was attacked by the whole five—they met me; they were going in a direction towards Brick-lane—I laid hold of Lambert, but he got away, and as I was trying to secure him, Morriss came fencing at me, and Lambert tried to get him away—I struck Morriss across the arm, and was still following him, and he came and struck me on the side of the head, and I was knocked down senseless—when I recovered, I missed a small memoran-dum-book, which had been in my right-hand pocket, where I had seen Lambert's hand—I turned round momently, and am sure his hand was at my pocket, but I thought at the time it was a lark, till I found myself treated so—I had left the Excise-office twenty minutes before, and I had been entering some little things in my book—the blow was a serious one—I was quite insensible till the policeman raised me up, and placed me in the hands of some person.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. YOU say that Lambert wanted to make Morriss go away? A. Yes; he tried to get him away, when the others ran away—I received no blows from Lambert—Morriss did not strike me till I had struck him with my stick—the book was of no consequence; I only gave twopence for it, it had the directory of the railways in it, I have never seen it since.

MR. PRENDERGAST. Q. YOU thought at first it was a lark; did you have any other opinion, when you found the hand at your pocket? A. Yes, I thought then they were about to rob me. JOHN ROSS (police-sergeant, H 50). On 6th Aug., at three o'clock in the afternoon, I went to Osborne-street—I saw some persons near the prosecutor—I went towards them, and saw one of them knock him down—he was lying in the carriage-way—I came and picked him up—the others ran off—I saw their backs, but not their faces—I did not see the prisoners again till the present month.

WILLIAM DAVY . I live in Robin Hood-lane. On Monday, 1st Oct, I was in Commercial-street, Whitechapel, about a quarter before nine o'clock in the evening—the prosecutor pointed out the prisoners to me, as the persons he had seen before—I ran after Morriss, and succeeded in taking him—the other ran away—Morriss said, "Who wants me?"—I said, "A friend of mine"—I took him back to Mr. George, and he looked at him, and said that he and the other were two of the five that knocked him down—Morriss said" That has nothing to do with me now."

GEORGE GEORGE re-examined, I was with Mr. Davy—one of the prisoners was taken by him, and one by Moseley—I am quite convinced that they were two of the parties—I was with them at least seven minutes.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you ever seen Lambert before? A. No.


MORRISS— GUILTY . Aged 21. Transported for Ten Years

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1977
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1977. ALFRED WILSON was indicted for embezzlement.

MR. HUDDLESTON conducted the Prosecution.

GEORGE ADLINGTON . I am a tailor, of Spencer-place, Goswell-road—last Monday, in consequence of information from Mr. Hall, I went to his shop, at 29, St. John-street, about half-past one o'clock in the afternoon—the prisoner was behind the counter, serving—I saw a female there, purchasing some black velvet and trimmings—I saw the prisoner cut off the goods, and deliver them to her—he gave her two bills—she said one was to show her customer—one was for the velvet and buttons, the other for the trimmings—I saw her gire him some money, but I did not see the coin—before the prisoner gave her the bills, I saw him band them to another shopman, who returned them to him, and he gave them to the customer—he did not take the bills to the cashier—I saw him give the customer some change, but I could not see what—she made a remark, "You have given me a shilling short"—he said" No, my good lady, there was the trimmings"—she said, "Yes, so there was"—she turned to me, and I said, "Every one is liable to make a mistake"—I was the next customer the prisoner served—I bought some gambroon—I paid him for it, and he gave me this invoice, which is stamped—he went to the cashier with this—when the purchase was made by the lady, he did not make any entry in his book in my presence—I was watching him—he did not make any counterfoil—when I had the transaction with him, there was an entry made in his book, and he went to the cashier and brought me the bill stamped.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNZ. Q. Were you acquainted before you went with what the practice of the house was? A, Yes—there was another person in the establishment to whom the prisoner showed the bills, before he gave them to the lady, and that person signed them—I was in the habit of going there to buy things—the prisoner knew me as a customer—there was one

other man in the shop beside the prisoner—the prisoner served no one but me and the lady—I had been waiting in the shop about twenty minutes—it was about ten minutes before two o'clock when I was served—the cashier was not in the same room—I did not see the prisoner go to the cashier at any time.

MR. HUDDLESTON. Q. How long have you been a customer there? A. I dare say twenty years—there was another person in the shop, Mr. James Wilson—the cashier was in another room—while the prisoner was transacting the business with the lady, he did not go from the shop towards the cashier, he went down the shop to James Wilson.

JAMES WILSON . I am town traveller, in the service of Mr. Hall. When a customer comes, a bill is made out, and the shopman makes an entry of the number of the transaction in his book, and makes a bill and counterfoil, takes them to the cashier, leaves the counterfoil and money with the cashier, gets the bill stamped, and takes it back to the customer—that is the regular practice—I was in the shop on 22d Oct.—the prisoner handed to me a bill of some black velvet and trimming that he had sold to a woman—the amount was 16s. and some odd pence—Mr. Adlington was in the shop—I signed the bill, and gave it back to the prisoner—he handed it to the lady—she said, "This is not right"—he said, "Yes it is; 16s. 6d. and 3s. 6d. makes 1l."—Mr. Cowtan was the cashier then in the box—he is not the regular cashier—he acts only while the regular cashier goes to dinner—while Mr. Cowtan was at the desk I sold an article amounting to 8 1/2 d.—I desired the prisoner to make that entry in his book, as I am not accustomed to serve in the shop; when I do, I get a young man to enter it—that was immediately before the transaction with the lady.

Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. The prisoner has been there ten years, has he not? A. He has been there a long time—I do not know that it is the case that two or three sums are entered together—I never knew it done—the moment the sale is effected, it is his duty to enter it in his book, and make a check—I serve in the shop occasionally, not often.

GEORGE COWTAN . I am clerk to the prosecutor. Mr. Feaks is the cashier—I was there on 22d Oct.—while he was at dinner I heard Mr. Adlington's voice in the shop—while I was there the prisoner did not bring me any bill—it was his duty to bring it me, if he received any money—it is my duty every morning, to check the books of the different clerks, by the counterfoils that I have—I have the prisoner's book here—here is no entry on 22d Oct. of 16s. or 16s. 6d.—I find an entry tallying with these bills (looking at them)—they are Nos. 15 and 16, "1l. 8s. 1 1/2 d. and "8s. 9d."-the transaction No. 14 is" 8 1/2 d."—there is no entry between 14 and 15—I received the counterfoil of the "8 1/2 d. "from Mr. James Wilson, while I was officiating as cashier—I was relieved by Mr. Feaks about two o'clock—I then went out to see Mr. Adlington, and in the evening I was instructed to bring some policemen: while they were in the counting-house the prisoner came in, and I said to him," Mr. Wilson, you sold goods to the amount of 16s. 6d. this day, velvet and trimmings, and you have not given in that sum; these are police-constables, and I give you in charge"—he said, "The deuce you do!"—I said, "I was in the desk, you have not brought the money up"—he said, "If so, I must have put it on the fixtures."

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. What time were you at the desk? A. Between half-past one and two oclock, and then the regular cashier came—I saw the prisoner presently afterwards go up to the cashier—it is

usual to examine the books the next morning—I should only find out that an entry was improper, if there was a difference between the cashier's statement and the young man's statement—it was between six and seven o'clock in the evening when I got the policemen—I was not aware that the prisoner was very busy all the afternoon—I saw him writing one invoice.

FREDERICK FEAKS . I am cashier at Mr. Hall's. On 22d Oct. I went to dinner at half-past one o'clock, and returned at two—before I went to dinner I had received thirteen tickets—when I came back, the next numbers I received were "15" and "16"—there was only one received while I was away, and that was" 14"—I did not receive 16s. or 16s. 6d. from the prisoner that day—I stamped the counterfoils for all checks that day above sixpence.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Are you speaking from memory or from books? A. From books—this is the prisoner's book—I have a sheet, which is here, and there is no entry of the 16s. 6d., which, if it had been brought up, there would have been, unless I made a mistake.

MR. HUDDLESTON. Q. Have you all the prisoner's counterfoils here? A. Yes.

GEOKGE ALLEN (police-sergeant, G 46). I was called to the prosecutor's that evening—I went up-stairs to the prisoner's room and searched him; I found a sovereign in his left-hand waistcoat-pocket—in bis coat-pocket some loose silver and gold in a purse, amounting to 1l. 10s.—in going to the station he said there must be some mistake—I asked him if his bill-heads were the same as any other persons—he said, "Yes, "he believed so—they were examined, and signed by Mr. Wilson.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Did he not say," It never was my intention to rob Mr. Hall at all? "A. Yes," there must be some mistake."

RICHARD HALL . The prisoner did not pay me that 16s. 6d.—I was from home at the time—he has been in my employ some time—I felt it my duty to make a communication to Mr. Adlington.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Was the prisoner for five years in your employ, then for six months at a Mr. Wilson's, and then you took him back? A. I believe it was so. (The prisoner received a good character.) NOT GUILTY .

THIRD COURT.—Saturday, October 27th, 1849.



Before Edward Bullock, Esq., and the Seventh Jury.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1978
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1978. MARY ANN WHITBY , stealing 1 shawl, 2 half-crowns, 4 shillings, and 4 pence; the property of John Ashley, her master: to which she pleaded GUILTY . Aged 14.— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1979
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1979. WILLIAM HENRY ROBERTS , stealing 2 coats, 3 pocket-books, and other articles, value 3l. 12s.; and 4 shillings, 27 pence, and 1 florin; the goods of Charles Grossmith: to which he pleaded GUILTY .— Confined Nine Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1980
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1980. WILLIAM JONES , stealing 1 cloak, value 7s. 6d.; the goods of William Wallace Whyte: to which he pleaded

GUILTY .— Confined Three Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1981
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1981. JOHN WILSON , stealing 1 gun-case, 1 wrench, and other tools, value 5l. 14s.; the goods of William Needham, in his dwelling-house: to which he pleaded GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Twelve Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1982
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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GUILTY .— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1983
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1983. JOHN POWELL , stealing 1 card-case, 1 brooch, and other articles, value 2l. 17s. 6d.; the goods of Rebecca Harnett, from her person.

REBECCA HARNETT . I am single, and live at Hackney. On 20th June, about one o'clock in the day, I was walking with two friends in Hand's-place, Hackney-road, with a small bag on my arm with a brooch, card-case, handkerchief, and smelling-bottle in it—I saw the prisoner following me for ten minutes—he came up, snatched my bag from me, and ran away with it.

WILLIAM STYLES . I am apprentice to Mr. York, a lath-render, of Hand's-place. I saw the prisoner walking behind the lady—he snatched the hag from her arm and ran away up Spencer's-passage—I am sure he is the man—I had seen him several times before.

Prisoner. Q. How do you know me? A, I have seen you with a gang of thieves several times.

THOMAS ZINZAN (policeman, N 67). I took the prisoner at the door of Tothill-fields, Bridewell—he had just come out for attempting to pick pockets.

Prisoner's Defence, I was at home ill at the time.

GUILTY .**— Transported for Seven Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1984
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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1984. MARY KELLY , SARAH LYNCH , and JANE MUNDELL , stealing 1 cloak, value 8s.; the goods of Henry Turner: Kelly having been before convicted.

EDWARD TOTTMAN (policeman, A 393). On Saturday, 13th Oct., about seven o'clock in the evening, I saw the prisoners at Mr. Turner's shop—Kelly was in the passage, and the other two outside—they went away together about 100 yards—I followed, and took them into custody—having seen Mundell do something to Kelly's cloak, I asked whether they bad got anything about them—they said "No"—I and other constables took them to the station—I saw Kelly take this shawl from under her clothes and put it under her shawl—she said she bought it in Oxford-street two months ago.

JOHN SETH ALLEN (policeman, A 350). I was with Tottman, and saw the prisoners at Mr. Turner's door—they walked away, and made a shuffle as they crossed the street—I stopped them, and asked what they had got—they said, "Nothing"—I took Kelly; her dress was very much out in front, as if there was something under it—as we went to the station she got it out and put it under her arm—I saw Tottman take this cloak from her—she said she bought it in Oxford-street two months ago.

GEORGE HOWE . I am in the service of Henry Turner; he has no partner. This cloak is his—it is new, and has H. T. on it—I did not miss it till the policeman brought it—I had seen it safe about six o'clock, in the lobby—I swear to it by marks on it.

HENRY BINGHAM (policeman). I produce a certificate—(read—Mary

Ann Brown, convicted March 1849, and confined six months)—I was present

—Kelly is the person.

KELLY— GUILTY .— Confined Twelve Months.



Confined four Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1985
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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1985. DANIEL ALTON and ELIZABETH ABRAHAMS , stealing 1 watch, value 2l.; 4 sovereigns, 10s., and 3 pence; the property of a man unknown, from his person.

FRANCISCO PIGNALELLI . I keep the Angel and Crown, Wellclose-square. On Friday night, 10th Oct., the prisoners came there, with a sailor, who was half drunk, and sat between them—Alton asked for 6d.-worth of gin—they drank it, and he gave the sailor another glass—he got more tipsy—Alton took the watch out of his pocket, and left it hanging by the chain—Abrahams snatched it away, and put it into Alton's pocket—Alton then said to the sailor, "All right, drink another glass;" but he would not—he was dozing on the bench—Alton said, "Stand up," and, pretending to put him straight, put his hand into his pocket—I heard a rattle of money—they took him out of the house—he did not want to go, but Alton forced him out—Abrahams said to him, "Go home, come along"—they helped him along—I went out, saw the sailor in the middle of the street, and told a policeman—I gave the prisoners in charge—I have not seen the sailor since.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. What was the sailor's name? A. I do not know; I have not tried to find him—I am an Italian, and have kept the house four years.

PATRICK HAYES . I am a labourer. I was at the public-house, and saw the prisoners come in with a sailor—they called for some gin, gave him a glass, and sat him down opposite the bar—Alton put his hand round him, and took the watch out of his pocket—it hung down by the chain—Abrahams snatched it off the chain, and put it into Alton's pocket; then they sat down, and asked the sailor to stand some gin, but he seemed very much intoxicated—I did not hear him speak—they took him out of the house—the landlord followed him out.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you seen the sailor since? A. No; I do not know his name.

THOMAS GREEN (policeman, H 136). Pignatelli pointed out the prisoners to me in Rosemary-lane—I took them, and told them the charge—Alton said, "I know nothing about the watch"—Abrahams attempted to put her hand down her bosom—Pignatelli laid hold of her, and she said, "I had a watch given me, and I have it now in my possession"—she said to Alton, "You got me into this, you put it into my bosom"—I found it there, and some duplicates, a handkerchief, and some silver—I cannot find the sailor.

ALTON— GUILTY . Aged 23.


Confined Twelve Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1986
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1986. THOMAS M'DONALD , stealing 8 bottles, 3oz. weight of eau-de-Cologne, 4lbs. weight of lozenges, and other articles, value 1l. 5s. 10d.; the goods of William Ledger Broxholm, his master.

MESSRS. BALLANTINE and PARNELL conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM LEDGER BROXHOLM . I am a chemist, of Holloway. The prisoner has been in my employ six or seven weeks, as an improver—he boarded in the house, but was to receive no salary for the first six months—before Sept. 30th I had given him notice to quit—that notice would expire on 12th Oct.—on 26th Sept. I went out of town—I marked about eighteen lozenge bottles with ink, at the point to which they reached—I returned on 29th, and found the lozenges considerably below the mark—I asked him if he could account for the sales—he said nothing—I had not been half an hour in the house before he said he must leave—I said, "You have taken me by surprise; I am weary, I will speak to you in the morning;" that would be Sunday—he went to bed—next morning, at breakfast, he said he must go to Lambeth work-house,

to take a situation which he said had been provided for him—he left the house, and ought to have come back that evening, but I did not see him till Tuesday evening—he was then in an excited state—another man was with him—they were both drunk—they came in—I said nothing about the lozenges—they staid ten or fifteen minutes—I turned them out—they came again on Thursday, the 4th, for an umbrella—I knew nothing about it—I detained the prisoner as long as I could—a friend was taking tea with me—I attempted to get a policeman, to ascertain the reason of his annoying me by coming there—it was our habit to balance the accounts every evening—I balanced them with him on Saturday, 29th, and there were discrepances—we were obliged to augment the varies, which is a term applied to "&c."—there was about 2s. more in the till than he could account for—this tooth-brush and bottle bear my name—this is a quarter of a pound of quicksilver—here is some lavender and eau-de-Cologne—I sell such things—to the best of my judgment, all these things are mine—it would be impossible to miss them out of my stock—when I first saw this brown paper, there was a seal on it; it had not then been opened, to the best of my judgment—the seal was not broken—I have the seal in my pocket; it is an Old English" G"—it was opened in the presence of the Magistrate first, and taken to Mr. Brown, the surgeon's house, and then given up to Armstrong, the policeman—some of the wax has been removed—(the policeman, Armstrong, here stated that he received it unsealed, and had had it ever since, but had removed none of the wax)—I saw the seal before the Grand Jury—Mr. Brown's servant first gave me the parcel—she saw the seal.

JANE JEFFERY . I am servant to Mr. Brown, a surgeon, of 8, Hampstead-road. I was before the Grand Jury—there was no seal on the parcel then, nor when I first saw it.

MR. BROXHOLM cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. Are you an apothecary? A. No, a chemist—I never attended patients but as a surgeon-dentist, not since I have been acting for myself—I have no diploma, and am not a member of the College of Surgeons or the Apothecaries' Company—I am in the habit of advertising for assistants—the prisoner was to stay six months, and and was then to have 20l. wages—I cannot say how many assistants I have had during the last six months, and am not going to guess for you—I am not going to tax my memory; I do not please to answer your questions; I do not consider them pertinent—my last assistant staid a fortnight—I made the same arrangement with him—I cannot tell how many advertisements I have put in the paper during the last twelve months—I have had some assistants stay long enough to receive the salary, and continue to receive it for a year and a half—that was about twelve months ago—I have had three, four, or five assistants during the last twelve months, not six—the prisoner came on 8th Aug. from Mr. Brown, of the Hampstead-road, a medical man—I do not know that he has come with Mr. Brown's son to surrender here to-day—I have not seen him here—I gave the prisoner notice to quit—he told me a wilful lie in the first place—I called him a liar—I had a servant named Georgiana Borthwick—she has left me—my female servants stop long with me—I did not ask her if she had placed a knife against the chloride of lime—I asked the prisoner, and he denied it—I called him a liar, because he had put it there three or four times—I did not threaten to double him up, or threaten him at all—I ordered him to pack up his goods, but not to leave my place—he said I could not turn him away, because there was an agreement between us—I did not upon that beg him to remain—on my oath I did not beg him to remain till 1 came back from Liverpool, because I was obliged to go down to bury my father—I went to Sunbury—I said "No" to your question,

because you said Liverpool instead of Sunbury—I did wish him to remain till his month expired, and after much entreating he consented, but nothing was said about it till I came back—I did promise him I would advertise immediately I came back—I did not say I should not like a fresh assistant in my absence—it was two or three days after I came back, that I charged him with the lozenges, not on the Saturday night—I did not say a short time ago that it vas on Saturday night—all I did was to tell him they were missing—here is "varies" a good many times in this book—on 22d Sept. here is put down a bottle, 3d.; that was not a bottle the prisoner bought of me; I should sell it for 8d. if I sold it—I do not know to whom that bottle was sold—I did not tell a customer that night that the prisoner was a thief, a rogue, and a vagabond—to the best of my recollection 1 did not disseminate it—I may have stated it to a gentleman here—I did not state it to a dozen or to six—I swear the prisoner was quite drunk on the Tuesday night—it was not a gentleman who came with him—he was drunk too—there was nobody else in the shop—I believe there were some characters outside the door when the prisoner came in—he said I had stated things that were incorrect; he used the word "false"—I did not shake an iron pestle as if I would strike him, I never had one in ray hand—there was a stick behind the door, and when I put them out I used it to get the foot of one of them from the door that I might shut it—I did not strike either of them—the prisoner dashed half of that stick through the fanlight—he did not say that if I did not retract he would bring an action against me for defamation—I did not charge him to his face; I could not charge a drunken man—when he came on Thursday he did not again insist on my retracting—I did not charge him then—I took the means of securing a policeman, to prevent myself from further annoyance—I do not say that I did or did not intend to give him in charge then, for robbing me—I never charged him with robbing me till he was in custody, except with the robbery of the lozenges—that was on the Sunday after the last time he came—I had taken the means of ascertaining his residence—I did not miss a book; not in this case—I did not send Georgiana Borthwick to Dr. Brown's on Thursday, to send the prisoner to me because I had lost a book—I did not tell her to say I had lost a book, and unless he came it would be worse for him—there is a witness to prove it—I did give her 1s.; it was partly to pay her omnibus to Dr. Brown's and back—I did not tell her to tell the prisoner a book had been lost, and he must return with her—the prisoner came while she was gone—the book was found with a friend of mine—I did not tell Borthwick on the day after the prisoner was examined, she was wanted at the Court next morning, and call her a liar for having told Dr. Brown the message I had sent—Mr. Coomb desired me to let her be there, and I said she should—I never told any one I should not have taken proceedings if the prisoner had not threatened me with an action—I have not said so in presence of Jane Jeffery—I never told Borthwick 1 would transport the prisoner—the only things I swear to are this tooth-brush and this bottle, with my label on it—it is a chemist's bottle, not for sale but for my private use—I do not remember the attorney for the defence insisting on the bottle's going into the policeman's custody instead of mine—he attempted to detain my book; I said he should not have it—I made no impediment to anything being detained—I said before the Magistrate that the seal was the impression of one which lay on my counter—I do not know that it is not in my deposition, but I know I mentioned it—the policeman will tell you so. (Armstrong, the policeman. Not at the Police-court.) MR. PARNELL. Q. Before you gave him into custody, had he threatened

you with an action? A. Certainly not—during the time I was away there, are no entries of lozenges sold—Mr. Brown was cholera-assistant at Lambeth Workhouse.

JOHN ARMSTRONG (policeman, S 154). On 7th Oct. I found the prisoner in bed at his lodgings at a coffee-house, 11, Hampton-terrace, Hampstead-road—Mr. Broxholm stated the charge, and he denied it—I took him to the station, and found a key on him, which he said was the key of his box, which was at Mr. Brown's—I went there, and found it—the key fitted it—I found in it this box of tooth-powder and a paper of pastiles, which Mr. Brown claimed—I got this brown paper parcel from Jane Jeffery—it was tied up with a bit of string and a bit of tape.

Cross-examined. Q. You swear that the prosecutor never said anything about the seal at the Police-court? A. Not that I heard.

MR. PARNELL. Q. Were you in the room while he gave his evidence? A. Yes, and I think I heard all that passed.

JANE JEFFERY re-examined. On Wednesday, Oct. 3, I gave the brown paper parcel to the constable—the prisoner gave it to me before he was taken in charge.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you see Mr. Broxholm at your master's? A. Yes, on Saturday evening and Sunday morning, I heard him tell Mr. Brown, that if it had not been for the threat of an action, he never would have taken any proceedings—I swear to those words—there was no seal on the paper when it was given to me—I had seen the prisoner there on the Tuesday evening before that Sunday—I know it was Tuesday evening—he was sober—it was after he had been to Mr. Broxholm's—he told me he had been there—I cannot say the time exactly, but I think it was between eight and nine o'clock—I have known him seven months—he is not in the habit of drinking—he is still assistant to Mr. Brown. NOT GUILTY .

OLD COURT.—Monday, October 29th, 1849.


Before Edward Bullock, Esq., and the Third Jury.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1987
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1987. JULIA LEAHY was indicted for feloniously stabbing John O'Bryan on the cheek and tongue, with intent to disable him.

MR. PLATT conducted the prosecution.

JOHN O'BRYAN . I am a labourer, of Leader-place, Chelsea—I have known the prisoner by sight several years; she says I have had one child by her—on 24th Sept. I met her as I was going into Hyde Park, about half-past seven in the evening—we went into the Park—she asked me for money—I said I had none, and if I had, I would not let her have it, for I did not consider her a proper person to give money to at that time, but if I saw her on Saturday, I would give her some—she had a baby on her arm, I was on her left side; as I wished her good night, she stabbed me through my cheek and into my tongue, saying, "Take that before you go"—blood came, and I do not recollect anything else till I got to a surgeon's; I was quite stupified. and was taken to the hospital—I was there three weeks—my tongue is quite dead; I have not the use of it as I had—she had sworn that child to me at the office, and I have paid for it.

GEORGE DALE (policeman, B 81). On 24th Sept. I saw O'Bryan run into a chemist's shop, bleeding profusely from the right cheek—I took him in a cab to the hospital. ELLEN JONES. I am the wife of John Jones, of Holles-street, Edgware-road—the prisoner lodged with me—on the 24th Aug. I saw her sharpening a pocket-knife, and asked her what she was doing it for—she said if she met John O'Bryan, she would stick him.

WILLIAM BECKLEY (policeman, D 158). I took the prisoner on 24th Sept., and told her what I wanted her for—she said "Is that all? I hope he is dead, if he is not I hope he will die; had I struck him where I intended, he would die"—she did not appear angry—at the station she said she met him at Knightsbridge, and they walked into the Park together, and bad some words about some money, and O'Bryan had hold of her by the throat, and tried to strangle her, but she did not feel so much hurt as alarmed, and put her hand in her pocket, pulled out a clasp-knife, opened it with her mouth, strained it on her knee, and struck at him, he would have had it worse, but the knife turned in her hand.

WILLIAM STEWARD FALL . I am house-surgeon at St. George's Hospital. O'Bryan was brought there bleeding considerably from the mouth, and from a wound three-quarters of an inch long in the right cheek; and there was a wound nearly through the tongue—a sharp knife would inflict it—he was sensible, but there was very little pulse—it bled till five o'clock next morning—there is a loss of taste and motion in the tongue, but he is pretty well.

Prisoner's Defence. I have kept his company seven years; this is his second child; I met him, and said, "You do not keep up your payments, and won't you look at your child? "he said, "No, d—you and the child too;" and laid hold of me; his thumb was under the string of my bonnet, and I took out my knife to cut the string; it was dark, and I do not know whether I struck him or not; he grazed the baby's arm, where it had been vaccinated.

GUILTY . Aged 30.—Recommended to mercy.— Confined Twelve Months.

Before Mr. Justice Maule.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1988
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1988. WILLIAM HARRIS , feloniously and knowingly uttering a forged note, purporting to be a Bank-note, with intent to defraud the Governor and Company of the Bank of England.

MR. CLARK SON and SIR JOHN BAYLEY conducted the Prosecution. MARY BIRD. On 21st Aug., I resided at 30, Essex-street, Kingsland-road, and had done so about a year and a half—I have known the prisoner about twelve months, and I have been in bis company I think three or four times, and have drunk with him—there is a person lodges in the same house, named Adelaide Dowdney; I have drunk with the prisoner in company with her—on Tuesday evening, 21st Aug., I was walking up the Kingsland-road, between seven and eight o'clock, and met the prisoner—he spoke, asked me if I would take any refreshment—I said, "Thank you, Sir, I will"—he asked me whether we should have it out, or whether we should walk home and have it—I said I would rather have it at home—I walked home with Mm to 30, Essex-street, and went into the front parlour—he then asked my landlady, Martha Wilton, what she would take to drink—she said a little brandy, as brandy was a good thing for the cholera—he asked her to bring what quantity of brandy she thought proper, and gave her a piece of paper folded up; I did not see what it was, he said it was a 5l.-note, she must get it changed, as he had no small change; while she was gone Dowdney came through the room—Wilton went out, with the paper in her hand—she

returned in about half an hour with half-a-pint of brandy, which she put on the table, and gave the 4l. 18s. 6d. to the prisoner—he put it in his pocket, and asked for a little hot water—I went up-stairs and got some hot water, and when I came down the prisoner was gone; he never returned—he had not drank any of the brandy and water, and gave me no money, or Wilton, in my presence—I was nearly half an hour in his company—he did not talk much—he told me he had just come from Newcastle—I saw him again on the Friday week following, in Bishopsgate-street, near the Eastern Counties station, between five and six in the evening—he saw me—I tried to speak to him, and got three or four minutes' walk off him, and followed him down to Basing-place, in the Kingsland-road—I did not speak to him—I missed him on turning down Basing-place, where a horse had taken fright, and I could not get across the road—I did not see where he went after that—I went home, and told my landlady what I had seen—a policeman came, and I told him—my landlady spoke to him in my presence, and we waited at Basing-place till two in the morning, watching for the prisoner—I never went away once—Wilton did not stop more than half an hour—she was backwards and forwards to me—one policeman remained at Basing-place till I left, I do not know his name—I did not see the prisoner again that night—I continued to look after him, and saw him again on the Saturday week following (8th Sept.), in the Kingsland-road, between seven and eight, or about eight in the evening—I spoke to him as soon as I saw him, asked him how he was, and said you have never been to see me since you gave my landlady the note—I said "Note," not "Forged note"—I knew at that time that the note was said to be forged—I asked him if he would give me anything to drink—I did not tell him it was a forged note, because I did not see a policeman there, and I thought I could not keep by him—I asked him to go home with me—he said, "Go away; do not annoy me; I will come presently"—he walked away; he offered me some money out of his pocket—I did not take it—I followed him half an hour or so—I met a policeman, and the prisoner told him to take me for annoying him in the street—I told him I was following him, because he gave my landlady a forged note—the policeman took us both to the station-house, and the prisoner there repeated his charge against me, that I had been following and annoying him—I repeated my charge against him—the constable asked me why I bad been following him; I said because he gave my landlady a forged note; I said that in the prisoner's presence, and he said he did not know me—I said, "Yes, he did"—the charge was then taken, and he was locked up—Mrs. Wilton was sent for; she came—I told the policeman, in the prisoner's presence, that I saw him on the Friday evening, in Basing-place—I do not remember his saying anything on that—Dowdney was sent for to the station, and she came.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. I take it you are a woman on the town? A. Well, Sir, I work at my needle very often, I am out sometimes—I have walked about Kingsland-road for the last two months—it was not my usual place of walking before 21st Aug.—I did not walk anywhere before that, only when I went out on an errand—I began walking about the streets some time ago—I have not had work to do—I did not walk the streets when I had work to do—I began it about two months ago—I saw the prisoner four or five months before 21st Aug., and twelve months before that; I did not get my living by that then—when we met four months before this occurrence we went home together, I was then walking the streets—he has been home with me before that, and I was then walking the streets—he went

home with me at different times—I swear I saw him four or fire times before this occasion, at my own house—he has stopped all night with me—I cannot say when that was—it is four months before 21st Aug. since I saw him at all—that was when he slept all night with me, I am sure of that—I do not know whether that was the last time 1 saw him or not—it is more than twelve months since I first knew him—I do not remember his sleeping with me all Bight on more than one occasion—I cannot say when that was to a week, fort-night, or three weeks—it was between four and five months ago—I am quite certain it was the same person that passed the note that slept all night with rae—it was at 30, Essex-street—I do not know who let him in, the landlady has had two or three girls at the door since then—he went away about five or six in the morning, as near as I can tell—he went with me about one in the morning—he gave me a crown on that occasion—I remember that distinctly—he had to pay nothing besides that for the room—the landlady was at home; she did not come into the room—I met him that night in the Kingsland-road—I cannot say whether any one else had been home with me that night—it is not likely that two or three were home with me before him that night—I cannot say as to one—I met him in Kingsland-road on 21st Aug.—I had only walked up from home then—I left home about seven o'clock—he addressed me first: I then remembered having slept with him four or five months before—he did not remind me of it—he was not at the house more than half an hour—I cannot say where I was the rest of the night—no other man came home with me that night—I did not go out any more, my landlady asked me to stop at home with her, because she was not very well—she was always very ill, and did not like to be left by herself—she did go out into the road a little way on an errand—she was never left alone—I had been at home with her different nights before then—I swear she asked me to stay at home that night—she is here—I do npt know whether it was an hour or two that I stayed with her before she went out—I did not go to bed before two in the morning—I swear I spent the whole night, from half-past eight to two, in that manner, and that my landlady asked me to do it—I cannot recollect whether I went out to fetch anything in, I might have gone across the road, but no further—I swear I did not go out on my own vocation afterwards, and that I did not bring home any other man that night; no other man saw me that night at all—Dowdney was not at home, she went out—I do not recollect how the prisoner was dressed that night—he had black trowsers on, that is all I know—he had connection with me previous to 21st—when I saw him in Kingsland-road on 8th Sep., I went up to him and said, "How do you do, dear?"—he was walking towards Kingsland—he said, "Do not annoy me; go away "—I said, "I am not annoying you"—I asked him how he was—I do not know whether I said "my dear, "that is not a word I use—I did not say" You promised to call at our house"—I said, "You have never been to see me since you gave my landlady the note"—he did not then say that I was mistaken in the person and he did not know me—he did say so when he was speaking to the policeman, but not while I was following, I am sure of that—I have asked him to treat me at different times—I have said before to-day that he offered me money, I said it before the Magistrate—I was sworn to my depositions, and they were read over to me—I heard it read over—I cannot write my own name, I made a cross to it—(The witness's deposition being read, stated that she met the prisoner between half-past eight and nine, and did not state anything about his having offered her money)—I cannot say the time I met him to half an hour, it was getting dark, it may have been between eight and nine—the landlady was sent for when we got to

the station—the policeman asked her whether she should give him in charge—neither I or Dowdney advised her about it—she said she was not certain about the man—she did not say she did not think it was the man—I do not know that she said anything of the sort—she did not know the man—no one said "You will have to answer for the 5l.-note if you don't give him into custody"—nothing of the kind was said in my hearing—I did not hear any one say," If you don't charge him, you will lose the 5l.-note"—I am quite certain I never heard anything said about losing the 5l.-note—my landlady gave him into custody at last—I did not hear the officer say, "If you don't press the charge we must detain the girl, and you will lose your 5l.-note"—I did not hear what they were all saying—I did not take any notice of what was said to my landlady—I did not hear her say she should not like to lose the 5l.

Q. Then can you tell me how it was that she gave him in charge at last, when she said she did not know him? A. 1 knew him—it was not because I persuaded her—I did not speak to her—I cannot say how many men I have seen in the last twelve months in the same way as I saw the prisoner—I have by chance gone into public-houses and drank with men.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Did you sit up till two o'clock with your landlady on the night the note was presented? A. My landlady went to bed, and I sat up because Dowdney was out.

MARTHA WILTON . I live at 30, Essex-street, Kingsland-road. Bird and Dowdney live with me—they have both been with me about two years, as near as I can guess—they are unfortunate girls—about eight o'clock on 21st Aug. I remember Bird bringing home a man—the prisoner has the appearance of that man—I cannot swear to his face—he sat in the parlour in a way that I could not recognise his face—he sat as if he were in pain—the cholera was then very much about—after I returned with the brandy he wished for some hot water, and I was afraid he was seized with the cholera or cramp, as he sat with his head down—I believe the prisoner is the person; I have no doubt of it—I will not swear to him by his face; he appears very much like the person by the way he stands—when he and Bird came in, they went into the front parlour—he asked me what we would take to drink—I said, "What he thought proper"—he said, "I had better go and fetch a pint, or hal fa pint, or what I thought proper and brandy, "and he handed me a paper folded up in four—he said it was a 5l. Bank of England note, and he would thank me to get it changed—I left him with Bird, and went to Mr. Smith's, the Carpenters' Arms, at the corner of Essex-street—Williams, the bar-man, served me with the brandy, and I gave him the note—the potboy Stiggins was there, and Williams directed him to take the note to get it changed, and he went out with it—he returned, gave what he had got for the note to Williams, and he gave me the change 4l. 18s. 6d. after deducting for the brandy—when I got back I found Bird sitting with the man in the same way as before, as if he were in pain—I counted the change, put it on the table, and the prisoner took it up and put it in his pocket—he wished to take some hot water with the brandy; I poured it out—he would not take that, and asked Bird to light a fire, and get a little water—she went away for that purpose, and I stayed with the prisoner while she was gone; and before she returned, the prisoner said he had a gentleman waiting outside for him—he thought it was ungentlemanly to let any one stand in the street—I said, it was, and he said, "I think I will go and fetch him in"—I said, "Will you allow me to go?"—he said, "No, I will go myself, and by the time the water is hot I will return"—he went outside—I went to the street-door—he walked

as though he was in pain, he was so doubled up—he went to the corner of Pleasant-street, and there appeared to speak to a man rather shorter than himself, and they either went into the corner door of Mr. Smith's, or into the Kingsland-road—I saw no more of him that night—he had taken none of the brandy; it was on the table near an hour—the note I had taken to Smith's came back to me as a forged note, on the Friday week following, the 31st—on that Friday, Bird went out on an errand for me, and while she was gone, between seven and eight, a young man came with a message to me; in consequence of which, I went to the top of Basing-place, Kingsland-road, and found Mary Bird there—she made a statement to me, and I saw a policeman whose name I do not know, and I told him something in consequence of what Bird said to me—I stayed with Bird till about nine, I think, and then left her there—she waited about there till two in the morning, and I was backwards and forwards with different things—I desired her not to move at all—she was watching—I should say she came home at very near two in the morning—I was in bed, but had been in bed a very little time—on the Saturday week following I was again fetched by a policeman, and went to the station-house in Robert-street, Kingsland-road, and there saw Bird and the prisoner—I cannot say that I knew the prisoner's face again—Bird had given him in charge in Hackney-road—at the station he was given in charge by both of us, in a manner—Bird was positive he was the man—I cannot swear to him, but I think he is the man; he appears very much like the man by his way of standing, and by his build altogether.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you believe him to be the man or not? A. I do—I did not see his face at my house so as to remember anything about it—I did not have much opportunity—I formed my belief of his being the man because my lodger knew him so well—Bird gave him in charge, the inspector signed the sheet at the station, and asked me if I intended to press the charge—I said I could not swear to the man's face again, and I did not like to press the charge unless I was positive—the officer did not ask me if 1 knew his name—I do not remember being told that I must lose the 5l. and they must detain the girl—I do not remember anything being said about detaining the girl, and nothing was said at the station about my losing the note—I do not remember saying to the officer that I should not like to lose the note—the man who came sat with bis head down—he appeared doubled up—I came through while the girl was there—I did not notice him much—I only saw him sitting in that position—I think that was about eight o'clock—I do not not recollect what time I went to bed that night—Dowdney went out about eight—when Bird came down with the hot water she waited to see if her friend, as she called him, would come back—I did not ask her to wait—I do not think I went out that evening—I do not remember Bird bringing any one else home that night—I cannot recollect whether she did or not—I did not let her in with another man—she did go out after some time—I cannot tell you the time—I should say it was rather later than nine—I will not be sure—I think she had her supper before she went—I cannot say what time she came home—I do not know how long she was out—I do not recollect whether I went to bed before one in the morning—I do not recollect whether she came home before I went to bed—I let two furnished rooms—I do not get anything when they bring home men when the lodgers pay their rent. MR. CLARKSON. Q. Do you know whether Bird was out at all that night after she came home with the man you believe to be the prisoner? A. I cannot recollect—I think she went out after supper, I am not sure—I do

not remember whether I sat up late, or whether I did not—Bird might have sat up to let Dowdney in, I cannot say—I think Bird went out after supper, but I do not know how long she was out.

ADELAIDE DOWDNEY . On 21st Aug. I lodged at Martha Wilton's, 30, Essex-street; Bird was my fellow-lodger. I know the prisoner, and have frequently drunk with him and with Bird. On the evening of 21st Aug. I saw him at 30, Essex-street, between eight and nine o'clock as far as I remember; he was in the front parlour, sitting by the door—I did not hear him give anv orders, but I passed through while Wilton was gone for the brandy—I went out, and remained out about an hour—I next saw the prisoner at the station on Saturday night, on 8th Sept.—I think it was a policemn came and fetched me there, and I found him there—I knew him again as soon as I saw him, and I stated so.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you frequently drunk with him? A. Yes, two or three times previous to that—it was about four months before this affair—he was Bird's friend—I have drank with him at two or three public-houses at two or three different times—I drank with him on the last night Bird saw him in the Kingsland-road; I think it was at the Basing House, and the Spread Eagle—I do not remember any other place—he treated us both—it was between ten and eleven o'clock—I think he went home with Bird that night and slept with her—on 21st Aug. I saw him as I passed through the room, and he asked me to have some brandy—I told him I would not stop to have any, as I had a friend waiting for me—he looked me full in the face when he asked me—he did not attempt to conceal his face—he called to Bird and then stooped, and when he asked me to have some brandy he looked me in the face—that was the only opportunity I had of seeing him at that time—I heard of the 5l.-note being a bad one when the barman brought it—Bird told me she got it from the man who slept with her four months before, and the man we had been drinking with together—I did not look out for that man, Bird did—I have seen a good many men in my time—I have been on the town about two years—Bird has lived at the same place about twelve months, getting her living in the same sort of way, and not in any other way.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Has she occasionally work to do? A. Sometimes she would make a dress or two for young girls that we know, but she did not get her living by it—she was paid for it—her vocation was in the street the same as mine—I am positive the prisoner is the man.

WILLIAM WILLIAMS . I am barman to Mr. Smith, who keeps the Carpenters' Arms in the Kingsland-road—I know Mrs. Wilton—she came on the evening of 21st Aug. for change for a 5l.-note, and some brandy—she brought a 5l.-note or what appeared to be one folded up—I opened it, and it looked like one—on the other side of it I saw written, "Parker, No. 2, Duke-street, Newcastle-on-Tyne"—this is it (produced)—I had not change, and sent the pot-boy, Stiggins, to Jenkinson's to get change—he returned after a while with change, and I gave it (4l. 18s. 6d.) and the brandy to Mrs. Wilton—the following evening the note was brought back for change, and I then sent Stiggins to Bennett's.

WILLIAM STIGGINS . I am pot-boy at the Carpenters' Arms—I remember being sent by Williams to get change for a 5l. note—I took it to Mr. Jenkinson, the butcher, at 143, Kingsland-road, and gave it him—he asked me where I came from, and I told him—he did not write on it in my presence—I took the change and gave it to Williams, and I saw him give it to Mrs. Wilton.

THOMAS JENKINSON . I am a butcher, of 143, Kingsland-road. I remember

one day in Aug. Stiggins bringing me a 5l.-note to be changed—I asked who they took it of—he said of a customer at 30, Essex-street—I wrote on it, "Smith, 30, Essex-street"—this produced is the note, and has my writing on it—Smith is the name of the person who keeps the public-house, and 30, Essex-street, is the customer's address—I changed it.

JOSEPH PORTER (policeman, N 94). On Saturday night, 8th Sept., about half-past eight o'clock, I was on duty in the Hackney-road, near Great Cambridge-street, and saw the prisoner passing along with a female and several other parties—there was a crowd, and I went up to see what the bother was—the prisoner came up to me and said he would give Mary Bird in charge for following and annoying him—she said, "No, I will not go on; I am determined to follow him, for he gave my landlady a forged note"—the prisoner said he did not know anything of her—she went to the Robert-street station, followed by the prisoner, who gave her in charge for annoying him—she accused him of uttering a forged note to her landlady—she requested Mrs. Wilton to be sent for; I fetched her—she said she believed the prisoner to be the man; he was very much like him—I went back to Essex-street and fetched Dowdney—she was positive of him—Godfrey asked the prisoner his same, and he gave his proper name and address, 17, Hackney-grove—he was searched, and a bunch of keys, 1l. 4s. 7d., and two cigars, were found on him—I searched the house, which was an empty one which he had charge of, and found two pocket-books; one, a very large one, was in a writing-desk—I am not positive of the colour of them, being candle-light—(two red pocket-books were here produced)—I believe one of these to be one, but I thought the other was a much larger one, the one found in the desk.

Cross-examined. Q. You looked into the pocket-books, and left them behind you? A. Yes—I swear I saw a larger one—I did not say to Wilton "Will you press the charge?" nor did the Inspector in my hearing—I do not remember her saying she did not like to do it, for she could not swear to him—I sent for Dowdney because Mrs. Wilton wished it—nothing passed about Mrs. Wilton loosing the 5l. unless she gave the prisoner into custody—she did not ask whether she was likely to lose it—Mary Bird gave the formal charge at last—I am not positive whether she signed the sheet—no, it was Mrs. Wilton gave it to the best of my memory; I have not the least doubt of it—the sergeant told her he must keep the girl, unless she, Mrs. Wilton, charged the prisoner with uttering the forged note—I did not hear him add, "And then you will lose your money," or "your 5l.-note"—whatever was said to Mrs. Wilton, was said by Sergeant Godfrey.

JAMES GODFREY (police-sergeant, N 13). On 8th Sept. I was on duty at the Robert-street station—Mary Bird was brought there by Porter—the prisoner charged her with annoying him in the street, and threatening to follow him home and see where he lived, unless he treated her—she said she wanted to see where he lived, as he had uttered a forged 5l.-note to her landlady a few nights previously—the prisoner said, "Me! me! how do you know me?"—she said, "I do know you, because you have been home with me before"—he said, "You are mistaken"—she said, "I am not"—he said, "When was that?"—she named a night, which I cannot recollect—he said, "Why did you not call a policeman and give me into custody?"—she said, "Because I was afraid you would do as you did the other night, when I saw you in the Kingsland-road, run away from me"—he then became very flurried, and said several times, "How do you know me? what do you know me by? I tell you you are mistaken; what night was it?"—she repeated the same night, I think it was the previous Thursday, he said, "I can prove where

I was that night"—she said it was in the Kingsland-road, but did not name any particular part—I refused to take the prisoner's charge against Bird, and sent Porter for Mrs. Wilton—he returned with her—I said, "Do you recollect a forged note being uttered to you?"—she said, "I do"—I said, "Look round this station and see whether you see the man here"—she looked at the prisoner, and said, "That is the man I am positive; I should not like to swear to him, but I am positive it is him, I could not see his face distinctly, because he held his head down"—Adelaide Dowdney was sent for; she came, and I said to her, "Do you recollect a forged note being passed at your land-lady's house?"—she said, "Yes"—I said, "Do you see the man here?"—she turned round, and said, "Yes, that is him," pointing out the prisoner, who was standing by himself—at least there were two or three policemen and the female witnesses—upon that, I took the charge against the prisoner.

Cross-examined. Q. Was Mrs. Wilton willing or unwilling to give the charge? A. She was not willing until Dowdney came—I said nothing to induce her to give the charge—I did not tell her I should keep Mary Bird if she did not; nothing of the kind passed with me, because I did not intend to keep her; nor with the officers, in my hearing—I was the only sergeant there—I did not say, "Do you mean to press the charge?" or anything about losing the 5l. if she did not; nothing was said about it in my hearing—I said, "Do you intend to charge this man?"—she said, "I don't like the man to escape, because I believe he is the man; I will do it, as my lodgers swear to him"—I do not recollect that a woman named Harriett Child was at the station-house; there was an elderly female there, whom the prisoner afterwards said was his mother—(Mrs. Child was here called into Court)—that is the female, I believe—I did not say to Wilton, "You must lose the 5l., and we must detain the girl if you do not"—she did say, "Well, I should not like to lose the 5l.-note"—I recollect saying, "Now, what do you intend to do? do you intend to charge him or not?"—that was after she had said she should not like to lose the 5l.; and after some hesitation, she signed the sheet—the prisoner gave his name and address—I sent Porter and Cripps there.

WILLIAM FITZPATRICK (policeman, N 202). For the last month my night duty has been in the Kingsland-road—I know Bird, and have occasionally seen her walking there—I saw the prisoner at the station when I came from duty some week or ten days before that—I had seen Bird at Basing-place—I am not perfectly certain whether it was seven or ten days—she made a statement to me; and in consequence of what she told me, I kept watching Basing-place, in case the prisoner came out, to take him into custody, if she pointed him out to me—no one that Bird said was the man came out—it was my beat, and I remained there all night—I do not recollect seeing Wilton that night.

Cross-examined. Q. Is Basing-place a thoroughfare? A. No.

MARGARET HURST . I reside at 15, Oxford-street, Sidney-street, Commercial-road, which is kept by a Mrs. Allen, who passes by the name of Watts. I walk the streets—on Wednesday evening, 8th Aug., between eight and nine o'clock, I was in Sutton-street, Commercial-road, and saw the prisoner in company with another gentleman—the prisoner asked me where I was going—I said, "To the theatre"—he said there was nothing there to amuse me, and asked me where I lived—I told him, 15, Oxford-street—he said he did not know the street; and I went on, and he followed me—when we got there we went into the back parlour, where I sleep; the other gentleman followed, and remained outside; and the prisoner asked me if I would have anything to drink—I said I would have a little brandy—the landlady came in, and he told her to go for a pint of brandy—he took out a pocket-book, and gave

her a piece of paper—I did not observe what it was—it appeared like a note—it was once double—there appeared to be other papers like it in his pocket-book, but I did not take sufficient notice—he told Mrs. Watts he should want change, and he might as well have change at first as afterwards—he said it was all right, for it had his uncle's or rather his employer's name on the back of it—Mrs. Watts asked him his name—he gave it, "Charles Green, 26, Princes-street, Holborn"—Mrs. Watts went out with it for the brandy, and brought the change—while she was gone I had some talk with the prisoner, and he told me he had just come from the East Indies—Mrs. Watts brought back the brandy and the change in ten minutes or a quarter of an hour, and gave it to the prisoner—the brandy was in a decanter—she put it on the table, and as soon as he got the change he asked her if she saw any person outside—she said, "Yes"—he said, "It is my friend; I will go and call him in to take a little spirits with us"—he went out, and never returned—he had taken no brandy—there was no connection between him and me—I received nothing from him—I should say I was with him about three-quarters of an hour altogether—I think the prisoner is the man, from what I have seen; I have not the slightest doubt about it—from the time that took place till I saw him at Worship-street I did not see him—I do not recollect what day that was—he was in the cell, with several other men—I knew him instantly.

Cross-examined. Q. Were any of the others at all like him? A. No; there were no others who bore the slightest resemblance—I looked at them all. I have not the least doubt that the prisoner is the man—I see a good many persons in the same way—I recollect him by his features; there was nothing particular about his features—I never mentioned anything by which I should know him again—he did not say whether he had come from the East Indies as a sailor, or a passenger—I did not take him to be a sailor—I have not said the man who passed the note was a sailor, or anything of the kind—Teakle took me to the cell—he did not tell me they had got the man who passed the 5l.-note—I saw the account in the paper—Mrs. Allen is here—she saw the man—there is no one else here who did—Mr. Bossom, at present, has been at the loss of the 5l.-note—I do not know that I am to pay him back part of it—nothing has been said about it—I have not been asked to pay any back—my landlady has not told me that I must pay some of it back—I did not go anywhere to drink with the prisoner—I had never seen him before—he had a black frock-coat and a hat on—the hat was not very broad-brimmed—I did not say that the man that went with me had a brown coat on—there was no candle lighted before he went away.

MARIA ALLEN . I generally go by the name of Watts, because there is a plate on my door with that name on it; I live at 15, Oxford-street, Commercial-road. On 8th Aug., Hurst lodged with me—on that evening she brought a man home, and they went into the back-parlour—the man then called to me, I went, and he asked me to get him some brandy—he did not name any quantity—he gave me a 5l.-note, which he took out of a pocket-book, told me to get the brandy, and get change for the note—he told me his name was Charles Green, 26, Princes-street, Holborn, and that his employer or his uncle's name was on the back of the note—I do not remember the name—I took the note to the Rising Sun, and got half-a-pint of brandy—the landlord's wife served me, and gave me the change, 4l. 10s. in gold, and some silver—I returned and gave it to the person who was with Hurst—it was between light and dark, and I cannot swear whether the prisoner is the man or not—I only saw the right side of his face while he was taking out the note—the right side of his face (looking at it) is exactly the same, because I noticed he had whiskers, and his nose being rather long, I believe he is the

same person—he asked me if I had seen a gentleman outside—I told him I had seen a short stout gentleman outside—he said he would go and call him in to have a glass of brandy—he went out, and did not return—he had drank none of the brandy—we waited a long time for him—he did not pay me anything, nor Hurst, in my presence.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you not been asked to make this note good? A. Oh; of course I expect to have to make it good—I have not had to do so yet—I should have expected to pay part of it, not now I shall not—after we have got the right man I do not expect to have to pay anything—I cannot say how it will be if we do not get the right man—Hurst knows the man extremely well, and swore to him the moment she saw him—I have not asked her to make good any part of the note—I never named it to her—the man had his hat off when I saw his face—there was no disguise or concealment about him—I am sixty-seven years old; my sight is not so good as it used to be, but I can discern people when they stand before me—I do not see a great many gentlemen at the house—Hurst is an unfortunate girl—I have not had any others in the house for a long time—I am taking care of the house for my brother-in-law—I do not see all the men the girls bring home—I do some, if I am called to get whatever they want.

LOUISA BOSSOM . I am the wife of David Bossom, the landlord of the Rising Sun, in Sidney-street. On Wednesday, 8th Aug., between nine and ten o'clock at night, Mrs. Allen, or Mrs. Watts, came to the bar for half-a-pint of brandy—I served her; she offered me a 5l.-note, and asked for change—I took it to my husband—I saw him write on it, "Watts, July 8l. 49," and I gave her the change—this is the note (produced)—he wrote July in mistake for August.

MARTHA HARVEY . I am single, and reside at 14, Montpelier-road, Brompton. On the evening of 4th Sept., from eight to nine o'clock, I was walking between Hyde Park and Brompton and met the prisoner—he stopped me and asked if I was going home; I said, "Yes"—he asked me if it was far; I told him not far, and he went with me—while walking home he said he was a commercial traveller—when we got in-doors he asked me if I would call the landlady to get change for a 5l.-note, and half-a-pint of sherry—I found she was engaged, and told the prisoner so, and told him I would go and get change for it myself—he gave me a 5l.-note, and told me the direction on the back of it was his uncle's direction, and pointed to the writing—this is it (produced)—there is "H. Clark, 2, King's-square" written on it; I took it to the Montpelier public-house, got the sherry and the change—Mrs. Berkley served me—I returned with the sherry and the change, and gave the change to the prisoner—as soon as he got it, he said he would go and tell his friend he was going to stay if I would get a little warm water by the time he came back; he would not be more than five minutes—he then went away, and never returned—he did not take any of the sherry and gave me no money—I should say I was altogether three-quarters of an hour in his company, and had a good opportunity of observing him—I have not the least doubt that the prisoner is the person—I next saw him at the police-office with several others, and selected him from those others—he was not pointed out to me.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. You are a woman of the town likewise? A. Yes; I do not sec a great many men—I did not give any description of the man before I saw him again—there is no peculiarity about him that I recollect—I noticed his features, and that is all I can swear to him by—he had his coat buttoned up—if I were asked to describe him now I should say he was tall and rather thin; that is all—I did not notice the other

persons who were in the cell; I only looked at the prisoner—I know he is the same man—I do not wish to answer any further questions—I have no more to say than that I can swear to the man—I did not see any other man that night—I did not remain at home; I went out—I found out that the note was forged, I think a week after—I have not had to make it good, nor any part of it—I have been applied to to make it good—I have been told that if the right man is convicted I shall not be obliged to make it good.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was that before or after you had identified the prisoner? A. After—I have not the least doubt he is the man.

ELIZA BERKLEY . I am the wife of Edward Berkley. I changed this note on the evening of 4th Sept. for last witness—this "H. Clark" was on the back of it at the time, I know it by that.

ESTHER HARRISON . I live at 18, John's-place, Bedford-square, Commercial-road. I know the prisoner—I saw him once before 11th Aug.—on Saturday evening, 11th Aug., between nine and ten o'clock, I was walking in Whitechapel-mount, Mile-end, and met the prisoner—I am positive he is the man—he asked where I resided, and whether I had apartments of my own—I said I had, and he said should he see me home—he ultimately accompanied me to 18, John's-place—he asked if I would take a glass of anything to drink; I said I had no objection—he pulled out a small pocket-book and a piece of paper folded up, and asked if I could get change for a 5l.-note—I said I could not go myself to leave a stranger in the house—he said, "I am no stranger: you have seen me before"—I said, "That matters not, sir, you have never been into my house before"—I said I could send some one to go with the 5l.-note to get the change—I called my lodger's servant, named Sophy, from up-stairs—he said, "O, dear no, I cannot trust a strange person with my money"—I said, "Well, sir, I am nothing but a stranger; "upon which he said, "Yes, but if you run away with my money I have got your house"—Sophy asked him to let her look at the note, and she held it up to the light—he said, "I know what you are looking for; you are looking for the water-mark"—she said, "Yes, sir"—he showed it to her and she showed it to me, but I could make nothing of it; I cannot read or write—I at last went for change for the note—I believe Sophy has left my friend; I have left this house between six and seven weeks—I went and got change at Mr. Purton's, of the Bedford Arms, deducting for half-a-pint of brandy and half-a-pint of gin—the prisoner had told me his name was on the back of the note—I do not know whether he said William or Charles Green—he said he lived in Bread-street, Cheapside, at the Crown public-house—I gave him the change, and put the gin and brandy on the table—he asked me to give him a glass of brandy with a drop of water in it—he put it to his mouth and said, "Dear me, it is not sherry, "and he turned on one side as if he could not drink it—he had not told me to get sherry—he then said, "I have got a friend outside; I will go and ask him to have a glass with me"—he went outside the door, and his friend stood by the door—I said, "Will you walk in and have a glass?"—he said, "No, thank you, I don't drink brandy; I will have a glass of sherry"—the prisoner asked if I could recommend his friend to a female—I said, "No"—he then went away, and said he would be back in half an hour—he never returned—I received no money from him—I never saw him again till I came to Worship-street—I asked the policeman which was the man that had got the forged notes—he told me to go inside a room where there was a lot of prisoners and policemen—I looked right round the room, and the prisoner held his head down and

shut one eye—I looked well at him and he spoke to the policeman; I did not hear what it was—he kept looking at me very hard—I pointed him out and said, "That is the man that gave me the note"—that was about twenty minutes after I first saw him—I kept looking at him all the time full in the face—I can swear to him—I have sworn to him twice.

Cross-examined. Q. I suppose Mr. Purton has got the note? A. I believe so—he has not applied to me to make it good—he said I was in duty bound to look after the man that gave it me—he did not say if I did not find the man he expected I should find the money, nothing of the kind—the inspector to whom I gave the description said I was in duty bound to make it good some way or other, either to find the man or to pay the money—it took me twenty minutes to be sure of him, because I could not get to look at him full in the face—a policeman, 94, sat by his side, and told him never to mind me, and smiled at whatever the prisoner said—the description I gave of him to the policeman was, that he had brown whiskers and dark brown hair, and a black frock-coat and a broad-brimmed hat—there were other prisoners and other policemen in the station-house—I had a good look at every one of them—none of them were like the prisoner—I looked round the room after I looked at the prisoner; that was to see if I was sure—I could almost swear it was him at first—I looked round the room to see if Mr. Purton was there.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. How long altogether was the prisoner in your sight? A. About half an hour the last time, and not above five or six minutes the first.

EDWARD JOSIAH PURTON . I keep the Bedford Arms, Commercial-road. On the evening of 11th Aug. Harrison brought me a 5l.-note to change—this produced is it—here is "Harrison, 18, John's-place, '49, "on it in my writing, and underneath are my initials, E. J. P.—it was brought about nine in the evening; I am quite sure of that now—I said at the Police-court it was in the forenoon.

Cross-examined. Q. And in consequence of a direct contradiction between you and Harrison the case was dismissed, was it not? A. I believe it was—I felt positive that it was in the forenoon, but I have no doubt now that it was in the evening.

JOHN TURNER . I am a lamplighter, of 10, Chapel-street, Commercial-road. On 11th Aug. last, about twenty minutes or half-past nine in the evening, I went to the bar of the Bedford Arms, a man named Brown was there also—while there, Harrison came in with two decanters for some gin and brandy, and a note—I saw Mr. Purton give her change.

ELIZABETH PLUSH . I am the wife of Albin Plush, of 11, Wellesley-street, Euston-square. On the evening of 16th Aug. the prisoner came there in company with a woman, and asked if he could have a bed—I showed them into a bed-room—the prisoner asked me if I could get him change for a 5l.-note and a pint of wine—I said I had not got change, but I would send out my husband—he gave me a 5l.-note—I took it down stairs to my husband—I afterwards took it up again, and asked the gentleman for his address—he said, "Henry Green, No. 3, Wellington-street, Goswell road"—I asked him to write his name on the note—he said he had not got a pencil—I then went down to my husband, and repeated to him the name and address the prisoner had given me—he went out and got change—the prisoner went out after him, and stopped out while my husband was gone, and when he came back he followed him in—my husband gave him four sovereigns and 17s. 6d., and 1 went up-stairs with the gentleman and the pint of wine—in about five

minutes a gentleman knocked at the door, and said he came to call his friend—I went up and told the prisoner, and he went down to him—he said, "Friend, there is Charles come up by the railway; you must come and wish him good-night; he can't stop"—his friend came a second time, and the prisoner went away with him—he said he would be back in a few minutes, but he never returned—the first time the man came the prisoner went out with him—my husband had not then returned with the change—when he returned, then the prisoner came back—ray husband went out twice—he could not get change the first time—it was the second time he went out that the prisoner went out—he also went out the first time, and came back again before my husband—altogether the prisoner was there about half an hour—he was not up-stairs with the lady above five minutes—I was not in his company, only when I took the wine into the room—I saw him four different times—I afterwards saw him at the House of Detention, and selected him from several others—he was not pointed out to me—I knew him again in a moment—I am confident he is the person that was at my house that evening.

Cross-examined. Q. You were not examined before the Magistrate? A. No, I was too ill; my husband was, and went with me afterwards to the House of Detention—I cannot say who is to be out of this 5l.-note—I have had no demand made upon me to give back the money, nor has my husband, to my knowledge—I should be very sorry to false-swear myself for the sake of 5l.

ALBIN PLUSH . I am the husband of the last witness, and keep the house 11, Wellesley-street. On 6th Aug. the prisoner came with a female—I am positive of him—my wife gave me a note to take to get changed—it had on it" Geo. King, 5, Essex-street, Strand"—I returned with the change, and gave it to the prisoner—my wife has been very ill—she only attended once before the Magistrate—I went with her to the House of Detention—I was separated from her by the authorities, of the prison before the prisoner was brought forward.

Cross-examined. Q. Yours is a house for the accommodation of railway travellers? A. Yes—we do not ask them who they are or what they are, if they conduct themselves in a proper manner—it is my living—I am not in the least ashamed of it—I have been asked to give back the money for the note—I have given back a portion of it, 13s.—I told my wife I should have to make the money good if I could not hear any tidings of the man.

JAMES BARTON . I am inspector of notes to the Bank of England. These four Bank notes are all forged—it is not the water-mark of the Bank of England, or the engraving, or signature—there are no figures transposed so as to enable the same figures to be used for the different notes—I should think they were all done at the same time—they are all from the same plate.

GEORGE TEAKLE (police-sergeant), examined by MR. BALLANTINE. I have taken six or seven persons to see the prisoner, and one since he has been in Newgate—no charges have been made in any of these cases.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. You have inquired at all the addresses on the notes? A. Yes; they are all false.

MR. BALLANTINE called the following Witnesses: RICHARD WINTER. I live at King's-road, Homerton, and am clerk to Mr. Moore, the solicitor, in Warneford-court, Throgmorton-street. On the evening of 21st Aug., I left the office there about a quarter after seven o'clock

with my nephew, Thomas Nathaniel Bond—I know it was the 21st, because we had a Chancery suit referred on that day, and that was the first day we had a meeting at our office, and it kept me till seven—we went up Throgmorton-street, down Broad-street, up Wormwood-street, into Bishops-gate-street, where we overtook the prisoner—we met his wife somewhere about the railway station, and walked with them towards his own home, towards York-street, Kingsland-road—Mrs. Harris left us for a few minutes near the workhouse there, and went to a draper's shop three or four doors from York-street, to purchase the remainder of a dress for six shillings which she had purchased a few days previous—she came out and showed me the pattern through the window—I and my nephew waited with the prisoner while she purchased it—when she came out, I left them, the prisoner and his wife went down York-street; that is their usual way home—it was then between a quarter and half-past eight—I had been in his company that evening getting on for three-quarters of an hour—it was about half-past seven when we met him—I frequently walked home with him; his wife often went to meet him when the weather was fine—I went home and dined, and then went with my wife to Hackney to see a new landlord of mine—I never saw the prisoner in a black frock coat—he used to wear a great coat in summer without any other under it.

THOMAS NATHANIEL BOND . I am fourteen years old, and am in Mr. Moore's office. I recollect the reference of the Chancery suit—I left the office with Mr. Winter, my uncle, that evening, about a quarter-past seven—we overtook the prisoner in Bishopsgate-street, and accompanied him—his wife met us—she went to Mr. Smith's, a draper, in Kingsland-road, to purchase the remainder of a dress—we waited outside—when she came out, she and her husband went down York-street, and I went home with my uncle—we separated from a quarter to half-past eight.

HARRIETT COLLINS . I am the wife of John Collins, of 4, York-street, Kingsland-road, a tinman and brazier. I and the prisoner's wife are sisters—on 21st Aug. I had to go into Bishopsgate-street, to pay for some shares in a building society—it was on a Tuesday—here is the book—it is the last settlement but one—I started about half-past seven o'clock, and returned about half-past eight, for I had a little girl very bad—Mr. and Mrs. Harris knocked at the door to inquire after her that evening about nine, or five minutes past—my lodger opened the door, as I was in the bed-room with the child—it had the cholera—they went towards Haggerstone church—that is their way home—they have three children, the eldest is about nine years old—the prisoner is a domestic man, and is always at home at half-past eight or nine—his wife used to meet him of an evening when the weather was fine—they are noted for their regularity—York-street is rather more than five minutes' walk from Smith's, the drapers.

MARY AUSTIN . T am the wife of James Austin. I was left in care of Mrs. Collins's sick child on 21st Aug. while she went out—she returned about half-past eight—I let Mr. and Mrs. Harris in about half-past eight—they stayed about half an hour—he wore a brown coat—they went away together—he used to wear a narrow-brimmed hat.

GEORGE BECKWITH . I keep a coffee-house at Rosomon's-buildings, Islington. The prisoner's wife is my niece—I lived with the prisoner and his wife from March to June last—she was in the habit of going to meet him from half-past five or a quarter to six o'clock, and he used to come home with her—on Sth Aug. I went to Whitechapel to pay some money, and

met the prisoner in Broad-street, close to his office, about five minutes to six, we went into the office—I saw him again about ten minutes afterwards; he came out to meet me—we went and had part of a pint of half-and-half—I left him going towards Bishopsgate church, on his way home—he said he could not stop, because he had to meet his wife—Bishopsgate-street is only a mile and three-quarters or two miles from Oxford-place, Mile-end—I know the neighbourhood well.

CHARLES GRIFFITHS . I am shopman to Mr. Fay, upholsterer, Shoreditch. The prisoner generally passed there on his way to the office—on 8th Aug., about half-past six, he spoke to me about a bedstead which he had bought—I believe his wife was at a little distance from him, but I did not see her that evening.

HENRY CHILD . I live at 24, Caroline-place, Kingsland, and work for Mr. Mordan, the silver pencil-maker. I am the prisoner's brother-in-law—he and his wife called at my mother's about seven o'clock on the evening of 8th Aug. (two of my sisters were then at Dorking) they remained about a quarter of an hour—I went home with them for a parcel and a pair of gloves, which my sister had left behind previous to her going to Dorking—I remained with them till ten o'clock—we had supper, and they were going to bed when I left—there was nobody else there but the children—I should say it is two or three miles from there to Mile-end, but I do not know the place.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Were you before the Magistrate? A. No—I know it was 8th Aug., by this letter that was received—(this letter was dated Dorking, Aug. 7th, and bore the Dorking post-mark of Aug, 7th, and the Shoreditch post-mark of Aug, 8th, from Amelia Child to her mother, stating that she had left a parcel at the prisoner's house, requesting it might be sent to her)—I have worked at Messrs. Mordan's eleven or twelve years—I left last July, as they were very slack—they will take me back when they have work—I have been living at home with my parents ever since—my father has been head waiter at Copenhagen House seventeen years—the turning to Basing-place is five or six doors from Caroline-place, where we live—coming from the Shoreditch station along the Kingsland-road, you come to Basing-place first, and Caroline-place is the next turning—we got to my brother-in-law's about twenty minutes or half-past seven o'clock—I was first called on to be a witness here at the last examination before the Magistrate, previous to the depositions being taken—I was in attendance twice—I heard bail offered for the prisoner—I knew where he was on 8th Aug., but was not examined—no witnesses were examined—we are six in family—three of us were at home on 8th Aug.—we thought it was not necessary to call the others—Basing-place is no thoroughfare—there are almshouses at the bottom—there is no way of getting from there to Caroline-place—the yards of the houses in Basing-place adjoin those in Caroline-place, but the walls are twelve or thirteen feet high—a person could not very well get over, and even then he would have to get through a house as well.

HARRIETT CHILD . I am the mother of the last witness, and of the prisoner's wife—my two daughters went to Dorking in Aug.—I received a letter from them on the 8th—the prisoner and his wife called at my house that evening—my son went with them for a parcel and a pair of gloves which my daughter had left behind, and staid a quarter of an hour.

JOHN COLLINS . I am a tin-plate worker, of York-place, Kingsland-road. On Saturday, 11th Aug., between nine and ten o'clock in the evening, I went to Mr. Winter's for a spade and rake which I had lent him, as I wanted to

use it on the Monday morning—it was the prisoner's house—he was at home and his wife, in the front room down stairs, where they generally sat—I stopped half an hour—he was there the whole time—the Commercial-road is about two miles and a half from his house.

Cross-examined. Q. Are you any relation of his? A. Yes, his brother-in-law—I am the husband of Harriett Collins.

GEORGE BECKWITH re-examined. On 16th Aug., about half-past eight o'clock, or five minutes later, I went to the prisoner's house—I left home about eight—I stopped there upwards of an hour—I bad started to go to Mr. Collett, of Berkley-square about a house I was about to take, but did not go, as I had not the lease with me—the prisoner was preparing for bed when I left.

RICHARD WINTER re-examined. On 4th Sept., about eight o'clock in the evening, I saw the prisoner coming out of his office-door—that was later than usual—he had Home parcels in his hand which he was going to book, and asked me to wait at the Flower-pot, in Bishopsgate-street—I staid there five or ten minutes—he joined me, and we went as far as Shoreditch Church, and separated about half-past eight—that is about five miles from Montpelier-row, Brompton.

MARIA CLARK . I am housemaid at Messrs. Avory and Moore's. I remember that the prisoner was left at the office on 4th Sept., as he had to wait to take some letters to the Post-office. NOT GUILTY .

(There were two other indictments against the prisoner, on which MR. CLARKSON offered no evidence.)

NEW COURT.—Monday, October 29th, 1849.


Before Mr. Recorder, and the Fifth Jury.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1989
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1989. MARY HESSIAN , stealing 1 hammer, value 1s., the goods of William Delvinton: and 1 pair of goffering-irons, and 2 towels, 1s. 3d., the of goods Eliza Fearne Smith, her mistress.

MR. PAYNE conducted the Prosecution.

ELIZA FEARNE SMITH . I am a widow and live in Tenterden-street—I have the adjoining house which I let out furnished—the prisoner came into my service in December—it was her duty to take care of the adjoining house and wait on the lodgers—I had some towels there and goffering irons—to the best of my belief these are mine (produced)—I had such in that house—I bought the irons for the prisoner—these towels are similar to what I had.

Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. I believe you had the prisoner from Lord Aberdeen? A. No; the cook of Lord Aberdeen called on me—when the prisoner entered my service there was no inventory of the things taken—she left under notice from me and went to Titchfield-street—I think she had been there three weeks when I made the charge—these are common towels—I missed the irons before she left.

WILLIAM GODFREY (policeman, C 147). I took the prisoner in Titchfield-street—I found these goffering-irons, towels, and this hammer in the room—I told her I took her on suspicion of stealing them—she said she took the irons in a mistake, the hammer Major Delvington gave her, and the towels were her own. NOT GUILTY .

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1990
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1990. GEORGE WILSON and WILLIAM WALLER , stealing 11lbs. weight of mutton fat, value 2s. 9d.; the goods of Thomas Fardell, their master.

MR. DAWSON conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM BUTLER . I am in the employ of Mr. Thomas Fardell, a batcher, of High-street, Poplar—the prisoners were his carmen, it was their duty to convey fat occasionally from the shop to Brown and Pattishals, tallow-chandlers, in Fenchurch-street—on 16th Oct. Waller had to convey some fat in a basket, but he had to call at the wharf first—it was his duty to accompany the van to the tallow-chandlers—Wilson was not employed to convey fat that day—he was sent with a van with other goods—I do not know that from my own knowledge, but from books, I have no memorandums here—both the prisoners were employed to accompany the van—I have seen gome fat produced by the policeman—I had a piece from the tallow-chandlers to identify another part—this piece I can identify, it was cut off the side of the mutton, instead of the quarter—this piece ought to have gone to the tallow-chandlers in the course of business—I did not see that fat in the prisoners' possession—here is no mark on it.

Cross-examined by Ma. PRENDEROAST. Q. Did you see this fat put into the van? A. No—I saw it put into the basket by a lad—it was not full when I saw it—this is what they call shop fat—it was all put into the basket by the boy—he is fourteen years old—it was a foreign van, it takes all manner of things—Mr. Fardell is a carrier as well as a butcher, and an omnibus man too—the van carries fat for other persons occasionally, but its business is to convey goods from the Scotch boats—it goes to all parts of town—the van would go to a number of different places after it had its load—I cannot say whether it went to Smithfield—I might say by the books, but they are not here.

MR. DAWSON. Q. Did you see the van empty? A. Yes; at the corner of the road—it draws up at the street door to take our fat from the shop.

JAMES HAMS (police-sergeant, K 21). On 16th Oct., between one and two o'clock in the morning, I was on duty with Hudson in High-street, Poplar—I noticed the prisoners—they crossed to the opposite side of the road—they were in conversation—I sent Hudson after them—I heard an altercation between Hudson and Wilson—I went over to see what it was, Wilson had got a nose-bag over his shoulder—I asked what he had got—he said some books belonging to the Steam Navigation Company—Waller stood by—I took the bag off his shoulder, and took two books out of it—I turned my light on, and found that the bag contained mutton fat—I said, "I suppose this came from the Scotch boat?"—he said, "No, it came from the shop"—I told him I should take him to the station, and I ordered Hudson to bring Waller—about twenty yards before we got to the station, Wilson begged me earnestly not to take him—he said it was only a little bit he had token out for his own use; and when at the station, he said he found it loose in the van when they were putting the van up at the stable—this is the bag—it had this fat in it and some other fat.

Cross-examined by MR. PRENDERGAST. Q. Was not the place where you took them, the way to Mr. Fardell's premises? A. They were passing Mr. Fardell's premises on the opposite side—they had not passed—Wilson lives at Mr. Fardell's stable, at Brown's-wharf, where the Scotch steam-boats come, and there are rooms there—Wilson occupies one—he was going towards there—he said at the station that this was a little fat that fell out of the

basket, and when he got to the stable he found it in the van; he thought it was of no use to leave it there.

Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. I believe these men were rather saucy? A. Yes—I did not look in the bag and let them go on—I did not say I would take them into custody for their sauce.

MR. DAWSON. Q. In coming from London you first come to Mr. Fardell's house? A. Yes, to his shop—his stables are half a mile beyond there where Wilson lives—Waller lives close by—the prisoners were opposite a court which is adjoining Mr. Fardell's—they had previously crossed.

MR. PRENDERGAST to WILLIAM BUTLER. Q. The books go to Mr. Fardell's shop? A. Yes, to settle the money—if they are there in reasonable time at night they take them to the shop; if not, they take them in the stable and settle next morning.

WILLIAM HUDSON (policeman, K 282). On the morning of 16th Oct. I was on duty in High-street, Poplar, with Hamms—I have heard what he has stated; it is true—I took Waller—on the road to the station he seemed to hang back—I saw him put his hand into his right-hand pocket and throw some fat out on the pavement—I took one piece up, and said, "What do you call this?"—I searched him at the station, and found three pounds more of the same sort of fat—I asked how he came by it—he said he found it loose in the van.

Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. Will you swear you saw him pot his hand into his pocket? A. Yes, I recollected that when I was at the Police-court—he had not a coat on his arm—he had a coat on. (The prisoners received good characters.) NOT GUILTY .

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1991
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1991. JOHN WIGLEY , stealing 1 ale-glass, value 6d., and 1 wine-glass, 6d.; the goods of James Smith

MAINPRICE BARTON (policeman, T 227). The prisoner was given in my charge on 20th Sept. in King-street, Hammersmith—he had a basket with him, in which I found this ale-glass, this wine-glass, and a beer-glass—he was rather the worse for liquor.

JOHN SMITH . I keep the Derby Arms beer shop, Turnham-green—the prisoner was in my house on the morning of 20th Sept.—two of these glasses are mine, and the other I think is mine—I had such a one—one of them has a name on it.

Prisoner. Q. When I came I had a basket of work? A. Yes, you left it in front of the bar, I believe—you remained about two hours—you were not very tipsy—I cannot say whether other persons might have put them in your basket. GUILTY . Aged 31.— Confined Three Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1992
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > with recommendation

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1992. EDWARD BEDDICK and ROBERT HOLBROOK , stealing 24 lbs. weight of lead, value 5s.; the goods of Joseph Thurton Horsley, their master.

MR. PARNELL conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS WATKINS (policeman, K 310). On 15th Sept., about three o'clock in the afternoon, I saw the prisoners in Bow-road—I followed them into the Canal-road—I saw them go into a marine-store shop—they both took some lead from their pockets and put it into the scale—I went in and asked where they got it from—Holbrook said, "We got it from Bow"—I said, "I know where you came from; you will go with me"—I took the lead out of the scale—they came with me to the Bow-road, and then Beddick said, "I am not going any further with you," and ran away, when we came

near the City of London Union, in the Bow-road, a new place which is building—I had seen the prisoners come out of the gates of that Union while I was watching—I produce 24 lbs. weight of lead.

Cross-examined by MR. COCKLE. Q. Do you know which you took from the prisoners? A. This large piece from Beddick, and the other from Holbrook—I did not take them from them—they put them into the scale.

JOHN HORSLEY . I am the son of Joseph Thurton Horsley, an iron-monger, of New Park-street, Southwark. Before 15th Sept. both the prisoners were in his service—we had a contract with the City of London Union to do all the iron-work—I do not think I had seen the prisoners that morning—I gave them this lead out to use on 14th Sept., at my father's shop—they were to take it to the City of London Union, and use it there—this is some of it—it is worth about 5s.

Cross-examined by MR. COCKLE. Q. How long has Beddick been in your employ? A. Two or three years.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. How long had Holbrook been there? A. Not many months.

JOSEPH TICKELL (policeman, N 170). I took Beddick at his lodging, on the evening of 16th Sept.—I told him it was on a charge of stealing a quantity of lead belonging to Horsley and Son—he said, "I have heard of it; I can make it right in the morning; I took the lead off the premises to be weighed for balance weights. Witness for the Defence.

EDWARD FULSHER . I am superintendent of the works at the New City of London Union, Bow-road. I know both the prisoners—I have known Holbrook two years and six months, since he was at the job under my superintendence—he has borne the best of characters.

MR. PARNELL. Q. Were you there on the 15th? A. Yes; I am not the superintendent of these men—I have known Beddick eighteen months—he has had an excellent character—we have ventilators at the top of the building, and I have repeatedly applied respecting the balance weights—whether he took this lead to get it weighed I cannot tell—if he had weighed the skylight, it would be necessary to weigh the lead, to counterbalance it—I expect the skylights were weighed before they were brought from the factory, but the lead could have been weighed on the premises as well as if it were taken off. (The prisoners received good characters.)



Recommended to mercy by the Jury.— Confined One Month.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1993
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1993. JAMES MACKEY , feloniously stabbing and cutting Samuel Cotton, with intent to resist his lawful apprehension.

MR. MELLER conducted the Prosecution.

SAMUEL COTTON (police-sergeant, H 44). On the morning of 6th Oct. I was on duty in Commercial-street, Whitechapel—my attention was attracted to a cry of "Police!" at nearly two o'clock—I saw the prisoner running after another man—I stopped the first man—his face was cut across, and was bleeding—he said, in the presence of the prisoner, "I called, 'Police!' he has cut me with a knife"—the prisoner said nothing—he was within four or five yards—it was said loud enough for him to hear it—the prisoner was pursuing him—I did not see anything in his hand—I attempted to seize him by the collar—he directly lifted up his arm, and struck me with a knife in the arm—my brother constable came up, and I told him I was stabbed—he took the prisoner—I have been in the hospital ever since. Prisoner. I was pursuing the other man, and, my being intoxicated, I did

not know it was the policeman had hold of me; the other man would not appear against me.

WILLIAM MELROY (policeman, H 170). I heard the cry of "Police!"—I ran to the spot, saw a man running, and stopped him—he said, "It is not me"—he showed me his face, and said, "lam stabbed; that is the man that stabbed me"—there was the appearance of a wound, and the blood was running down his breast—he charged the prisoner with being the man—I turned round, and saw the prisoner running from my brother officer—I ran and seized him—my brother officer said, "Hold him; I am stabbed; that is the man that did it"—the prisoner wrestled with me some time—a person came up and assisted in taking him—I laid hold of his left hand; Mr. Solomon had hold of his right hand—he freed his right hand from Mr. Solomon, and got it between his thighs—I could see he had something in his hand, and I saw his hand go to his left pocket—at the station I found this knife, in his left pocket, with blood on it—in going to the station, some one in the crowd said, "He has got a knife; it is open wherever it is; he has got it in his hand"—the prisoner said, "No, it is not, it is in my pocket; I used it in self-defence"—the man whose face was wounded gave his address, but he did not appear in the morning—we applied for a summons for him, and the Magistrate said there was no occasion for it.

SAMUEL JUDAH SOLOMON . I reside at 24, Chamber-street, Goodman's-fields. I was about six or seven yards from the prisoner and the prosecutor—I saw the man that was stabbed—I went to him and said, "Why, you are stabbed"—he did not know it at the time—I put my hand to his face, and I said, "He has stabbed you"—as I passed, Isaw a knife, in the prisoner's hand—the person who had been stabbed went and struck the prisoner—he turned round again, and I said, "For God's sake run; he will kill you"—he ran, and the prisoner pursued him across the road—I do not know who the man was.

WILLIAM WATKINS EDWARDS . I am a surgeon of the London Hospital. I examined Cotton's right arm, on 6th Oct.—there was an incised wound on the fore-arm, about three inches long, and about half an inch deep, inside the arm—if it had been about a quarter of an inch deeper, it would have wounded the artery—it might have been inflicted by a knife like this—it was more of a cut than a stab—I should imagine it was drawn along the arm—I have continued in attendance on him—the wound is not yet well—it has prevented him from attending to duty—it bled a great deal—his arm is stiff—if moved, it would most likely break out again.

Prisoner's Defence. Two men came up and knocked me down twice, and attempted to rob me; the policeman took hold of me; I thought it was an accomplice of the robber had got hold of me; I drew the knife across his arm. WILLIAM LLOYD re-examined. The prisoner did not suggest how this might have arisen—he said he used it in self-defence—he did not say anybody had attempted to rob him.

GUILTY . Aged 20.— Transported for Ten Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1994
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1994. GEORGE HUGGETT , stealing 4 bottles, value 4d., and 1 quart of Twelvetree's improved washing preparation, value 2s.; the goods of Alfred Twelvetree and another, his masters.

ALFRED TWELVETREE . I am in partnership with Arthur Twelvetree. We manufacture washing compounds—I saw a light by the stable-door, on 18th Oct., about eight o'clock in the evening—I asked," Who is there?"—the prisoner answered, "Huggett"—I told him he ought to be ashamed to have a

light there at that time of night—he was rather in liquor—he came across the yard, and went to the gate; it was closed—I told him he should not go that way—his pockets were rather bulky—I sent for the policeman, who took these six bottles of compound from his pocket; they are mine, and are worth 6d. a bottle.

Prisoner. I was waiting for my wages; he refused to give me any that night. Witness. He was a commission traveller; there were no wages due to him—whatever he sells he has a commission on—he would have been paid what was due to him if he had not been in liquor—he never delivered goods; our own carts delivered them.

RICHARD ETHERIDGE (policeman). I took the prisoner—he said he had taken the bottles, but if he had not been in liquor he would not have done it.

WILLIAM GEORGE STOCKHAM . I am in the prosecutor's service. I missed such bottles as these from under a shed.

GUILTY . Aged 56.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury.— Confined Ten Days.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1995
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1995. WILLIAM HERRING , stealing 1 bag, value 3d., 4 half-crowns, and 10s.: the property of Jane Harward, from her person.

JANE HARWARD . I live at Deptford. I was in Thames-street, on 24th Oct., about four o'clock in the afternoon—I had a bag containing this money—I was spoken to by the policeman, who had my bag and money.

CHARLES SCOTT (City-policeman, 560). I was in Lower Thames-street—there was a crowd, and I saw the prisoner try the pockets of three or four different persons—at last he went to Mrs. Harward, and took out of her pocket this bag and contents—I took it out of his hand, and asked her if it was hers—she said, "Yes"—I asked what it contained—she said four half-crowns and ten shillings, which was so.

Prisoner. I picked it up; I never thieved in my life; the officer said he must have a couple of charges. Witness. I did not—you never stooped.

EDWARD FUNNELL (City-policeman, 32). I was with Scott—I saw the prisoner try two or three women's pockets with his left hand—he then put his left hand into the prosecutrix's pocket, held the pocket with his right hand, and took the bag out—Scott took it from him.

JANE HARWARD re-examined. This is my bag and money.

The prisoner received a good character.

GUILTY .— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1996
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1996. JOHN RAWLINS stealing 1 cart, value 18l.; the property of James Patten.

JOHN INSALL . I live in Great Leonard-street, and am in the employ of James Patten, a carman, of 29, Windmill-street, Finsbury—in the afternoon of 30th July, the prisoner came to my master's and said he wanted a brick-fart, to cart some timber from Cannon-street to the Curtain-road for Mr. Rawlins, his uncle, or father—he brought a horse with him, and I allowed him to take one of my master's carts and harness—he did not bring it back—I afterwards saw it in Mr. Austin's, possession—it was worth 18l.

Prisoner. I borrowed it in my own name. Witness. He referred me to Mr. Rawlins, in the Curtain-road—I went there; it turned out to be his uncle—he said he dared to say he would never bring it back again.

GEORGE AUSTIN . I live at Margaret-street, Woolwich. On 31st July, some men came to me, and I went to a yard and saw the prisoner—he said he had got a cart for sale that he had bought at a sale the day before—he

showed it me, and said he wanted 8l. for it—I did not buy it—in the evening, the men came to me and said he had reduced the price—I went to him, and he then asked me 5l. 10s. for it—I said I did not want it, but if he could not get a better customer, I would give him 5l. for it—I was coming away, and he took the 5l.—he was living at a lodging-house, where he had been about six weeks—he borrowed a horse of Mr. Collier—the name of Patten was on the cart, and the word "Lot" was on it—there was something put over the name, and one part of the name on the side was broken off and thrown into the cart—I gave Mr. Patten the cart immediately, till the prisoner was found.

WILLIAM GLADWIN (policeman, R 122). I got the cart from Austin, and delivered it to Mr. Patten—the name on it had been painted over—I rubbed it off, and found Mr. Patten's name on it. GUILTY .

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1997
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1997. JOHN RAWLINS was again indicted for stealing 1 hand-barrow, value 25s.; the property of Edward Harper.

MARY ANN HARPER . I am the wife of Edward Harper, a greengrocer, of the Back-road, Kingsland. On 16th Oct., about twelve o'clock, the prisoner came to my stall—he said, "Is this Ned Harper's stall?"—I said, "Yes"—he said my husband had sent him for the barrow—I gave him the key to go and take it—I afterwards saw him at the station.

JOHN SHEARMAN . On 16th Oct., the prisoner came to me and told me he had truck or barrow to sell—he asked if I would buy it—I said I did not want anything of the kind, but he might bring it—he asked 12s. for it—I bought it for 8s.—he said he wanted to buy a diamond, to go to work, and that would enable him to buy it—I sold the barrow again the same day for 15s.

EDWARD HARPER . This barrow is mine—I never sent the prisoner for it—it is worth about 25s.

WILLIAM HENRY HAIDEN (policeman, N 491). I found the prisoner drunk, at Stoke Newington—I could have brought at least twenty more cases against him. GUILTY .— Confined Two Years.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1998
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1998. EDWARD ALLEN and JAMES MAHONEY , stealing 2 gallons of brandy, 2 gallons of wine, and 2 bottles, value 3l. 17s. 4d.; the goods of John Abbott.

MISS ABBOTT. I am the daughter of John Abbott, of the Harrow public-house, High-street, Poplar. We have lost brandy and port wine—we sent for a policeman on 9th of Oct.—I had seen these bottles in the cellar a day or two before—the prisoners were in the place the greater part of the day—they could get from the tap-room to the cellar—these bottles were found in the tap-room—they are my father's.

Mahoney. I was there with four or five men; it is a night-house; there were several girls there drinking; I never was near the cellar.

ELIZA MASTERMAN . I am the wife of William Masterman, of Black Boy-lane, Poplar. On 9th Oct. I saw the prisoners in the long room at the Harrow—I had a quarrel with Mahoney, and he struck me—I went outside and he followed me—he said, "Why do you turn so crabby: come in and have something to drink"—I said I did not want any—he told me to go and ask Allen for something to drink out of that plant—I went, and a man handed a pint of wine to Allen; he drank and gave it me, and told me to drink some, and to drink heartily—Mahoney told me to go and get bottles to put the gin and wine in—Allen said, "It is not down stairs now, it is upstairs;

I have brought it up here in the tap-room"—I went and told what was done.

Mahoney. Q. Did I tell you any such thing as you have said? A. Yes; you told me to go to Allen for wine, and said you would get two bottles to get some more.

MARY WOODHOUSE . I am the wife of John Woodhouse. Mahoney came to my house and wanted two bottles to put some port wine in; he said it was at old Mr. Abbott's—I would not let him have them.

Mahoney. There were eight or nine men in the tap-room all drinking this, and they said to me, "If you have got a bottle we will give you some."

THOMAS WATKINS (policeman, K 310). I was called in to the tap-room at the Harrow—I found these two stone bottles under the seat in the tap-room—Mahoney was not more than a foot from them; Allen was not there—I left them in the bar, and took Mahoney.

JOSEPH LOCKETT (policeman, K 177). I took Allen; I told him the charge—he said he knew nothing about it; he was innocent—in going to the station he said, "If I get out again I will do for you"—he tried to throw me; my thumb is out of joint now.

Aliens Defence. I had been out all night at a wake; I came in the public-house and saw some persons drinking; I saw the bottles, but do not know what was in them. NOT GUILTY .

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1999
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1999. WILLIAM ROUSE , stealing 1 shilling and 2 sixpences; the money of George Anscomb: having been before convicted.

MR. COCKLE conducted the Prosecution.

ANN ANSCOMB . I am the wife of George Anscomb, of Hoxton, and keep a tripe-shop. On 12th Oct., about eleven in the forenoon, I went to the parlour window, and saw the prisoner's hand in the till—I shut the shop door and shut him in—he requested I would not do anything with him; if it were half a crown or five shillings be would make it up to me if I would not do anything—I gave him in charge, went to the till, and missed 1s.—the prisoner put something in his mouth—I said, "You are swallowing something"—he never spoke for about a minute; he then said, "No, I have not, but for God's sake forgive me this time: I will never do it any more. "

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. When had you seen the till? A. I was there within five minutes of the time—there had been no customer in—I went to the till when the policeman came—I did not say, "There is all the halfpence here"—I did not put any silver from my pocket; I had none in it—I said at the time I could not swear whether it was a shilling or eighteen pence I missed; I could not call to my mind what I had paid away—while I was shutting the door I turned my back on him, but still I had my eye on him—he moved more towards the corner of the shop—he turned his head another way to swallow it—a person in the shop said, "He is swallowing something."

WILLIAM GROOMBRIDOE (policeman, N 203). The prisoner was given in my custody on 12th Oct.—I searched him, and found only one halfpenny.

JOHN KAVENY (police-sergeant, N 26). I produce a certificate of the prisoner's conviction—(read—Convicted Dec. 1848, and confined six months)—he is the person. GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined One Year ,

THIRD COURT—Monday, October 20th, 1849.

PRESENT—Mr. Ald. SIDNEY; Mr. Ald, FINNIS; Mr. Ald. CARDEN, and


Before Edward Bullock, Esq. and the Third Jury.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-2000
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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2000. CATHERINE KEIM , was indicted for wilful and corrupt perjury; to which she pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 26.— Confined Six Months.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-2001
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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2001. MARK ISAACS , unlawfully assaulting John Coursay.


29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-2002
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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2002. JOHN PRESTON , unlawfully assaulting William Martin, on the high seas.

MR. PARNELL conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM MARTIN . I was an apprentice on board the bark Atlantic, of which the prisoner was chief mate. I joined her on 11th Sept., 1848; she was bound for the North of England first, and then we went to Naples and Malta; from there to Messina, Constantinople, and Odessa, we touched at Gibraltar on our way home, and arrived in England at the beginning of this month—I believe we got into Naples harbour, at the latter part of last Nov.; while there the prisoner ordered me to fill a cistern; while doing so, he came to me and asked why I did not fill it before—I said, "I had something else to do, and he took me by the left ear and swung me down on to the deck, and my ear has been swollen ever since; and I have lost the hearing of that side altogether—whilst at Malta, in March, I was keeping watch, and went to call one of my fellow-apprentices—when I came up, the prisoner said I had been sleeping below—I said, "I had not; I had mistaken the time; I had been to call the other apprentice," and he said, "I have caught you at last, you d—d young fellow," and took a handspike from the windlass, and gave me a blow on the arm with it; my arm fell down powerless, and it left like pins and needles in my arm, and I fell down on the cable chain on my face—my face nose and eyes bled profusely, and my eyes were black for two or three days afterwards—about the middle of Aug. we were at Gibraltar, I was drawing up a bucket of water, the prisoner came and took the bucket from me as my fellow-apprentice was in the act of taking it from me, and he struck me in the back of the neck with it, which knocked me down—I fell on the deck, and caught my head and face on the edge of a large water-cask, which broke the bridge of my nose—the bucket was made of canvass—there was no medical man on board, and never had been—when we got to London, I had liberty from the captain on 7th Oct. to go on shore—I told the mate I was going, and he said I should not—I remained on board till the 9th, when constable Frazer came and took me to the Thames police-office—I afterwards went to Mr. Ross, and showed him my injuries.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. A. What did you say the bucket was made of? A. Canvass—I once fell from the mizen-mast, about two feet from the deck, and caught my hip; I think that was in the Black Sea—the vessel was at Malta a month or six weeks, in harbour—I did not then mention to the captain that the mate had struck me—I was afraid of the prisoner—he said he would break my head and throw me overboard—no surgeon attended me till I came home—I mentioned it to the captain, and showed him my arm a fortnight before we came to Falmouth; that was the second time I had

mentioned it—I helped to put in the stones as well as I could at Constan-tinople, and also at Malta—that was after my arm was broken—they were heavy stones, two feet wide—they were slid down a plank, and sometimes I had to lift them with both hands—the captain looked over us while we were doing it—there were six men helping, besides the apprentices—no one set my arm or put splints to it; it joined together again by itself—I continued working as well as I could—the prisoner often complained to the captain of my being lazy and dirty, and the captain often spoke to me about it—when he took me by the ear at Naples, he was not bringing me to the captain to complain of me—I had to do something else when he ordered me to fill the cistern—I was to receive my orders from him—I never had anything the matter with my ear before—it was as sound as the other is—at the time he hurt my ear, the captain was walking on the quarter-deck, and saw it all, and reprimanded him for doing it—you might say he was pulling me towards the captain, but he said nothing to him—I cried out when I fell down—complaints were made to the captain about my filthiness and laziness every week—the captain did not give me any money or clothes—the clothes I had when I came ashore were given me by the sailors.

MR. PARNELL. Q. Was it your first voyage? A. Yes; the stones were being taken out of our vessel and put into a lighter—I was in the lighter, and they were slid down a slanting-plank, at the top of which the mate was, and he pushed them down so that they took a piece right out of my hand—they came down so fast that I could not stop them, and my hand was jammed between two of them—it bled, and I bandaged it up with one of my collars—two of the seamen are here who saw it—when we got to London the seamen and the other apprentices were allowed to go ashore.

JOHN MARTIN . I am the last witness's brother, and am a commercial traveller—I shipped my brother, about thirteen months ago, on board the Atlantic—he was then in good health, and his limbs were sound—his arm was not in the least broken, and he had the use of both ears—he now speaks terribly through his nose, quite different to what he did—I found him in a most deplorable condition in every way when he came on shore.

CHARLES FRASER (Thames-policeman, 73). In consequence of information, about 9th Oct. I went on board the Atlantic, and saw the prisoner—I asked him if he had a person named Martin on board—he said, "You mean Nosey"—I said, "I do not know anything about Nosey"—he said he would show him to me—he called him up out of the hold, and I asked him, in the prisoner's presence, what was the matter with him—I said, "Have you been ill-used?"—he said, "Yes, I have; "and said he had got his nose and arm broken—I said, "Why did not you go to the Magistrate? why did not you go on shore?"—the mate said the master has forbad him going on shore—I took him to the station, and afterwards to the Magistrate, who gave a summons against the prisoner, and I took him—I afterwards took Martin to Mr. Ross, the surgeon.

Cross-examined. Q. The prisoner brought him up to you when you asked for him? A. Yes; he said the captain had given strict orders that no one was to go OD shore out of the ship.

DANIEL Ross. I am a surgeon, at Shadwell. I examined Martin, and found the bone of the left arm had been broken, and the bones of the nose, and there was a slight enlargement of the left ear—such treatment as he has spoken of, might be sufficient to cause deafness—he appears to be deaf with the left ear.

Cross-examined. Q. The appearance of the ear would not enable you to

attribute the deafness to the treatment he received? A. No; I examined the internal part of his ear—the cause of deafness was probably some injury to the drum of the ear, cold, or anything of that kind—a fall from the mast might break the nose—his arm was broken rather higher than the middle—it has firmly united, the higher bone slightly over-lapping—it had been actually broken.

MR. PARNELL. Q. Did it appear to be self-set? A. It had united very well; nature would do that by keeping it at rest.

PETER INGLIS . I am a sailor; I joined the Atlantic at Malta, and went to Constantinople and Odessa. I know Martin and the defendant—I recollect Martin telling us at Malta of the injury to his arm—I was not present when it was received—I was at work at the stones at Constantinople—I staid with the vessel till she came to London—I recollect Martin sustaining an injury to his face and nose at Gibraltar—that was about 20th Aug.—I saw him about a minute after—I had seen him without the injuries three minutes before—I was on the opposite side of the ship, and could not see where he was—I heard him sing out just after he was knocked down—I had seen the mate about two minutes before, and he went towards where the boys were pumping the ship out.

Cross-examined. Q. Had the mate occasion to complain of you? A. Not that I know of—the captain did speak to me several times, in consequence of what the mate told him—he spoke to me about taking the boy's part when the mate ill-used him—he told me I had better be quiet and not trouble my head about it—the captain spoke to me about sticking up for my rights and telling the other men to stick up for their rights—there were five boys and nine men on board.

EDWIN PILL . I am a seaman; I joined the Atlantic at Malta, and continued with her till she got to London I was present when the stones were unloaded at Constantinople—from there we sailed to Gibraltar—I saw the injury to Martin's nose after it was done, I was on shore at the time—when I came back to the vessel his nose was black, and bled very much—I saw the mate on board—the boy told me how it was done—the mate was not then present.

Cross-examined. Q. Was the skin off at all? A. Yes—that is a very unusual thing with sailors—I never received any injury.

MR. PARNELL. Q. The mate never attempted to break your nose? A. Yes, he did once.

JOHN LEONARD . I am captain of the vessel. Martin never told me anything about the injury to his arm till a fortnight before we got to Falmouth—he then said he would have the mate up about it—the mate denied breaking his arm, and said he knew nothing about it—I saw the injury to his ear some time after he was at Naples; the lower part of it looked swelled and rather sore—I asked the mate if he had acted so brutally as to injure him—he said he was shoving him along to his work, and he fell on the chain and hurt his ear—we left Malta about 15th March, and returned on 19th—after we left Gibraltar the mate admitted the injuries to the boy's ear and nose—he said, "The boy aggravated me and dared me to it; that I could not govern my passion"—I gave the boy leave to go ashore.

Cross-examined. Q. I believe he had been troublesome during the voyage? A. Very indolent, and very dirty; the mate had complained to me of his insolence—I saw him at Malta on the 9th—he had to lift flag-stones of 50 or 60 lbs. each, breast-high, from a boat to the shore, and I had not the slightest impression anything was the matter—I beard nothing about his arm

till about a fortnight before we arrived at Falmouth—I know he had two fells, one of about two feet perpendicular, and the other ten or twelve feet, but do not think his arm could have been broken on either of those occasions, as he never complained to me of it—I did hear him say, about 8th Jan., that the mate struck him with a canvass bucket of water—the mate complained of the trouble he had with the boy, and I said, "Let him do what he can; it is of no use to abuse or beat him, for it will do no good."

MR. PARNELL. Q. How long after you left Malta were the stones brought on board? A. The last were on 9th March, when the boy fell—we were on the homeward passage, about a month before we got to Gibraltar—we had a sixty-days' passage, and arrived in London in Oct.—we were at Gibraltar Bar in the beginning of Aug., and I should think one fall was at least a month before that, and the first about a week earlier—it was between Constantinople and Gibraltar—the boy is a native of Scotland, brought up at New Brunswick—he was shipped last October.

MR. ROSS re-examined. I am unable to say how old the fracture of the arm is—I should say it has been done more than three months; it might be six—it is impossible that he could lift a stone of half a cwt, with it.


29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-2003
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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2003. JOHN PRESTON was again indicted for unlawfully assaulting John Brennan on the high seas: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 36.— Confined Three Weeks.

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-2004
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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2004. BENJAMIN HENRY MAYERS and WILLIAM CHARLES HITCHIN , unlawfully conspiring to obtain goods from Robert Peacock Gloag, with intent to defraud him. NOT GUILTY .

29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-2005
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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2005. JANE SINCLAIR was indicted for a conspiracy.

MR. ROBINSON conducted the Prosecution WILLIAM VINCENT. I am assistant to Mr. Joseph Avant, of Fleet-street. On 22d Aug., the prisoner came to his shop, laid this ring (produced) on the counter, and asked 1l. on it—I heard my fellow-shopman ask her if it was gold; she said it was—I offered 15s. on it—she said that was not sufficient, and went out to inquire if it was—she returned in ten minutes, and said that would answer the purpose, and I gave her 15s.

JOHN FREDERICK SIMONS . I am in the service of Mr. Clark, of 55, Long-acre. On 29th Aug., about six o'cloek, the prisoner came and offered me a ring in pledge, very similar to the one produced—I cannot say whether she asked 1l. or 25s. on it—I asked if it was gold—she said it was—I told her I had seen her before, and also a ring of that description, and one had been taken at our house very similar to it—I said it was brought by a man—I can undertake to swear they were manufactured by the same person—this is the one (produced)—I told her I should take it to a refiner—he notched it, and applied the test, and I came back and told her if she offered it at any other shop she would be committing a fraud—I showed her the notch, and applied other tests, which I showed her—she became violent, and said I was not obliged to take it without I liked—she insisted on having it back, and at last I gave it her—she then left the shop, and I gave directions to Saxby.

ARTHUR SAXBY . I am also in Mr. Clark's service. On 29th Aug. I received instructions from Simons; in consequence of which, I followed the prisoner into a public-house in Mercer-street—she waited there twenty minutes or half an hour; she then came out, and went towards Leicester-square,

where she was joined by a man, and they went into King William-street, walked about there half an hour, then turned into St. Martin's-lane, and the prisoner went into a pawnbroker's shop—the man waited on the opposite side—I went into the front shop, and told a young man there that there was a duffer in one of the boxes—the prisoner could not see me—I saw her pass a ring along the counter similar to these—she was asked if it was gold—she said, "Yes"—the man filed and tried it with the test, and gave it her back—I did not hear him say anything about it—she could not see him file or try it—she then took the ring, left the shop, walked up St. Martin's-lane, and was joined by the man—they then went into Broad-street, Bloomsbury—the prisoner went into Mrs. Wood's shop, and the man waited at the corner of the street—I went into the shop, and made a communication to the shop-man—I saw a ring offered to the shopman—he asked if it was gold; she said it was—he tried it with a file and the acid—I think she might have seen him do that—he then gave it her back—I did not hear him say anything—when she got outside, she joined the man, and they went to a pawnbroker's at the corner of Wells-street—the prisoner went in, and the man waited on the opposite side—I went into the shop, and made a communication—the prisoner tendered the ring in the same way—the shopman tried it, gave it her back, and told her she was a duffer, and if she came there any more he would give her into custody—she said, "Why don't you do it now?"—she then left the shop—I did not then see the man—the prisoner then went into the boxes at Mr. Webb's—I went in, and saw a ring offered there; it was the same ring as far as I could judge.

HENRY EMBLEM . I am assistant to Dobree and Tomlinson, pawnbrokers, in the Strand. On.31st Aug. the prisoner came and offered this ring (produced)—I asked her if it was gold—she said, "Yes"—I asked her what she wanted—she said, 1l., and I lent her 17s.—she gave her name," Jane Russell, 7, Edgware-road"—I have examined the ring with the one produced by Vincent, and they precisely correspond—I should say they were made by the same person.

GEORGE WEBB. I am a pawnbroker, of 207, Holborn. On 29th Aug. the prisoner came into the boxes at our shop—Saxby came in, and made a communication—the prisoner offered a ring similar to these produced—I asked her if it was gold—she said, "Yes"—there were four or five notches in it—I tested it, told her it was not