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On the Queen's Commission of the Peace,



The City of London,





Held on Monday, April 7th, 1845, and following Days.

Before the Right Honourable MICHAEL GIBBS , LORD MAYOR of the City of London; Sir John Taylor Coleridge, Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Queen's Bench; Sir Thomas Coltman, Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Common Pleas; Sir Thomas Joshua Platt, Knt., one of the Barons of Her Majesty's Court of Exchequer: Sir Claudius Stephen Hunter, Bart.; Sir Peter Laurie, Knt.; Aldermen of the said City: the Honourable Charles Ewan Law, Recorder of the said City; Thomas Wood, Esq.; John Johnson, Esq.; John Kinnersley Hooper, Esq.; Sir James Duke, Knt.; Thomas Challis, Esq.; and William Hughes Hughes, Esq.; Aldermen of the said City: John Mirehouse, Esq., Common Sergeant of the said City; and Edward Bullock, Esq., Judge of the Sheriffs' Court; Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer, and Gaol Delirery of Newgate, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.


First Jury.

Richard Cooper

John Weeks

John Thorn

William Spencer

William Copper

James Joy

John Knowles

James Walton

John Wilson

Thomas Sharp

John Toir

Samuel Sheen

Second Jury.

John Stirling

Charles Vanderstein

Robert Chinnery

James Bampton

Thomas Backs

Joseph Saker

Thomas Venables

John Craxford

William Sinnott

Henry Thresher

William Fontaine

John Worrall

Third Jury.

Thomas Tudor

John Williams

James Watson

Joseph Jackson

Abraham May

John William Vaughan

Joseph Tavenor

David Wood

Caleb Shepherd

Thomas Syrett

William Torr

William Voller

Fourth Jury.

Augustus Smith

Henry Sheffield

Thomas Chipperfield

William Wallis

George Waters

William Wiggins

William Smith

Andrew Cosser

George Smith

Edward Straw

Joseph Saunders

Edward White

Fifth Jury.

John Bradford

George Taylor

John Peterson

Thomas Wright

William Wright

Henry Stranger

Edward House

Samuel Walker

Augustus Seaton

George Chapman

Charles Vidler

Thomas Snell

Sixth Jury.

George Webb

Joseph Seddon

Henry Dutton

Jesse Watson

Joseph Tyrrell

William Walker

Thomas Stevens

George Wood

George Spooner

Charles Wilson

Richard Henry Vincent

Robert Saunders.



A star (*) denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—Two start (**) that they have been more than once in custody—An obelisk (†) that a prisoner is known to be the associate of bad characters.


OLD COURT.—Monday, April 7th, 1845.

First Jury, before Mr. Recorder.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-796
VerdictsGuilty > with recommendation; Not Guilty > unknown

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796. ELIZABETH CRADDOCK was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of John Smith, on the 29th of March, and stealing therein 215 pairs of socks, value 4l.; 1 table-cloth, 1s.; and 1 sack, 6d.; his goods; and SUSANNAH CRADDOCK for feloniously receiving the same, well knowing them to have been stolen.

JOHN SMITH . I live in Cock-lane, St. Sepulchre's. I only rent a room there—the owner lives in the house. On Saturday, the 29th of March, about seven o'clock in the evening, I left the room with my wife, and locked the door—I had above 100 pairs of socks in a bag, marked S, and a cross over it, in the room—the prisoner Elizabeth was employed to knit socks for me—I returned a little before ten, and found the door half-way open open—I missed the bag and socks—on the Sunday following I went with an officer to No. 12, Henrietta-street, Vinegar-ground, and saw the prisoner Elizabeth come out of the house—I called the officer's attention to her—we found the other prisoner in the house—she lived there—the officer told Susannah I had lost this property, and had she objection to his looking for it—I left to fetch another officer, and on my return, Cale, the officer had the bag in his possession, and part of the socks in it, and a table-cloth of mine—Elizabeth had worked for me some time—I had a very good opinion of her.

CATHERINE SMITH . I employed Elizabeth Craddock to knit socks. On this Saturday she brought home four pair of socks—I paid her 2s.—I was then ready to go out—she came back, and asked me if my husband was going out with me—the bag and socks were then visible in the room—we went out about seven in the evening, and returned about ten—this is my table-cloth—it was kept in a box under the table, with two coats—I found that box moved into the middle of the floor-the prisoner had helped me to move that box on the Wednesday before-this bag and socks are ours.

MARY ELIZABETH EASTON . I am the wife of Edward Easton, of Cock-lane. I saw a female standing on the top step of Smith's street-door on Saturday evening, between seven and eight o'clock—I know the prisoner Elizabeth—I had given her a key for Mrs. Smith, on the Wednesday, and by her appearance it was the prisoner Elizabeth, but I did not see her face—she turned her head as I came to the door—it was a person of her size—I have frequently seen her waiting for Mrs. Smith, and considered at the time that it was her.

JOHN CALE (City police-constable, No. 205.) I went about half-past eleven o'clock on Sunday morning with Mr. Smith to Susannah Crad-dock's house—she said she was the owner of the house—I saw Elizabeth come out of the house—the prosecutor gave her in charge—I told her the charge—she went back into her sister's house, called her sister, and said, "This man accuses me of stealing Mr. Smith's socks"—I asked Susannah if she had any objection for me to search her premises—she hesitated, and demanded my authority—I was not in my uniform—I sent Smith for a policeman in uniform—during his absence, Susannah began to cry, and said her sister Elizabeth had brought them there because she was afraid of being seized on for rent—she then produced this bag from behind a curtain in the room, tied as it is now, and containing thirteen dozen pairs of socks and a table-cloth—Elizabeth made a voluntary statement before the Magistrate—I am not aware that she was told it would be used against her—she was asked to sign it, and said she could not write—it was read over to her—I cannot swear to the Magistrate's signature.

JOHN CLARK, ESQ . (Clerk of the Court.) I believe this to be the hand-writing of Mr. Alderman Hughes Hughes—(read)—"The prisoner Elizabeth says, voluntarily, 'I went up to speak about some work; I found the door partly open; I went in and took the property; I did not take more than they have found.'"

Elizabeth Craddock's Defence. What the policeman says, is false, my sister is innocent, and knows nothing about it.

Susannah Craddock's Defence. I am innocent of knowing the property was stolen; my sister brought it on Saturday evening, and asked me to mind it, for she expected to be seized on for rent.

ELIZABETH CRADDOCK— GUILTY. Aged 16.—Recommended to mercy. Confined Two Months.


7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-797
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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797. JOHN BARNES was indicted for stealing 1s., the monies of George Barton Norman, his master; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 26.— Confined Two Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-798
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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798. THOMAS CHURCHER was indicted for stealing 2lbs. weight of lead, value 2d.; and 4ozs. weight of tea, 3d.; the goods of the East and West India Dock Company, his masters; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 32.— Confined Seven Days.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-799
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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799. JOHN SMITH was indicted for stealing 3 saws, value 4s., the goods of Henry Hewitson; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Two Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-800
VerdictGuilty > unknown
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800. ANN MARSON was indicted for stealing, on the 13th of Feb., 1 shawl, value 8s.; 1 sheet, 2s.; 1 handkerchief, 3s.; 2 towels, 1s.; night-gowns, 4s.; and 1 collar, 6d.; the goods of Henry Knight, her master.

SARAH KNIGHT . I am the wife of Henry Knight, and live in John's-place, Duck-lane. The prisoner was in our service about three weeks, to look after the children during my absence from home—she had 5s., a week, but no board—on the 13th of Feb. I left home about half-past six o'clock in the evening—the prisoner was there with my children—I returned between eight and nine, and missed her—I also missed a sovereign from a cup on the mantelpiece, a shawl, handkerchief, gown, petticoat and a collar—they were safe when I left home, except the sheet, which I had not seen since the Sunday before—the prisoner was taken into custody on the 12th of March—I have only recovered the sheet.

Prisoner. She has given her wrong name, her name is Love; I pledged the sheet on the Monday as I left on the Tuesday, to boy firing; she allowed me none, and I left the ticket on the mantelpiece. Witness. My name is not Love, that is a nick-name they have given my husband; I can show my certificate; I found no ticket on the mantelpiece; she had put the children to bed, and left them; the youngest not seven weeks old, and the eldest not two years, and that hurt me more than losing the things.

Prisoner. She has given a wrong name, because a young man was transported from their house. Witness. I have nothing to do with that—there was a young man transported.

DAVID DULLER (police-constable D 196.) I have a sheet which was given up to me by a person named Burridge, shopman to Mr. Williams, a pawnbroker—the prisoner was given into my custody at Paddington, on the 11th of March—I told her what I took her for—she said she knew nothing of any of the property but the sheet, and that she had pledged at Williams's, in the Broadway, Westminster—she said that her mistress did not allow her any coals, and she did it for the purpose of getting coals to make a fire.

SARAH KNIGHT re-examined. This is my sheet—I had seen it on the Sunday before, but the other articles I had in my hand the night she went away—I found the door shut, but not locked, when I came back—my father keeps a wood-yard opposite, and lives in the house—I never burn coals—she always had plenty of fuel—I never found any wood consumed that I had not supplied—there was not a bit of coal in the house all the week.

GUILTY of stealing the sheet. Aged 30.— Judgment Respited.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-801
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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801. JAMES COLLINS was indicted for stealing, on the 11th of March, 1 copper funnel, value 15s., the goods of William Fenton, in a vessel on the navigable River Thames.

WILLIAM JUDGE . I am an inspector of the Thames division of police; On the 11th of March, about two o'clock in the morning, I saw a boat pulling towards King Edward-stairs, with two persons in her—there was a coal-barge just alongside the stairs—I heard a splash in the water—the persons who were in the boat got ashore—I examined the boat they left; it was called the Self Defence—I found this part of a copper funnel in the bottom of the boat, which I found out was stolen from the Pearl—I left

Marsden where I heard the splash, and he produced to roe, when the tide was down, several portions of a copper funnel, part of which fitted that found in the boat belonging to the Pearl, and two pieces of a green funnel belonging to the Antioch—I could not swear that the prisoner was one of the men—it was dark.

HENRY JAS. MARSDEN (Thames police-constable, No. 28.) I went down to King Edward-stairs by Judge's directions—I waited till the tide left the shore a little way, and found some pieces of copper funnel lying in the mud—I noticed the prisoner standing at King Edward-stairs, near the boat, as I was bringing them to the office—I went ashore, and asked him if his name was Collins—he said yes—I told him I wanted him to go up to the office with me—I took him into our boat—he said, "Oh, I don't know anything about these funnels"—they were in the boat at the time—he could see them—it was a boat that I had borrowed to get the funnels—they laid in the mud—I delivered the pieces to Mr. Judge—it was about half-past eight o'clock when I took him.

ROBERT WAGGETT . I am a waterman at King Edward-stairs. On Monday night, the 10th of March, between nine and ten o'clock, I saw the prisoner, and another man named Warren, come down with a pair of sculls—I did not see them go away—between one and two o'clock I was rowing across the water, coming back from taking a fare, I shot from Mill-hole third tier, and they shot from the upper tier—they were head down, and I was head up—they rowed in to the head of the tier off King Edward-stairs—the police-boat was lying at the stairs—Mr. Judge said, "Who's there?"—I said, "Collins and Warren"—they made haste after them, and they got over a coal-barge, and both got away—I can swear the prisoner was one of those persons; I saw him as I rowed in—he was rowing—the other was sitting aft.

Prisoner. I was not there at all; I was in bed at the time; he says this because I once had a row and fight with his son. Witness. I never had any words with him—when he came down the stairs he gave me a bit of tobacco—I did not know what he was about.

WILLIAM FENTON . This funnel was on board the Antioch—I saw it last at eleven o'clock at night on the 11th of March—it was missed at four o'clock—I saw it picked out of the mud off King Edward-stairs.

Prisoner's Defence. I had nothing to do with the copper; I was going on board my ship when they took me into custody.


7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-802
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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802. JAMES COLLINS was again indicted for stealing, on the 11th of March, 1 copper funnel, value 12s., the goods of John Duncan, in a vessel on the navigable river Thames.

WILLIAM JUDGE . I am a Thames police-inspector. On the 11th of March, about two o'cloek in the morning, I saw two persons in a boat at the foot of these stairs, close to the coal-barge—I perceived something thrown into the river near that spot, and the two parties escaped to the shore—I afterwards found in the boat which had been occupied by the two persons, part of a copper funnel, which is claimed as belonging to the Pearl—I showed it to the master, and he identified it next morning—part of the funnel Marsden picked up out of the mud fitted that in the boat.

JOHN DUNCAN . I am master of the Pearl, and had charge of her. I have seen the funnel found in the boat, and also the portion found in the mud,

and am able to identify them as belonging to the Pearl—it was safe between ten and eleven o'clock overnight, and missed about six in the morning.

ROBERT WAGGETT . I saw the men rowing ahead of the tier, and they shot in towards the wharf—I rowed in to King Edward-stairs, astern of the tier—Judge said, "Who is that?" I said, "Collins and Warren," and I they rowed after them directly—they both got ashore, and got away that night—I saw the boat they were in—it was the same boat the funnel was found in, called the Self Defence—it belonged to an apple-boy.

HENRY JAMES MARSDEN (Thames police-constable, No. 28.) I went down at six o'clock in the morning, and waited till the tide left the shore, and I found the copper funnels lying of the top of the mud—just as I had got them all into the boat, the captain of the Antioch came ashore, and said, "You have got my funnel there; I know it by its being painted green"—as I I was going away from there I saw the prisoner standing at the stairs, looking towards the spot where I was getting the funnels—I went round on the tunnel-pier, and when I got round to the stairs he had escaped—I cannot say whether he hid himself from me; but I hid myself for a time, and then found him again close by the coal-barge—I went to him, and asked if his name was Collins—he said, "Yes"—I said, "Then I want you to go with me to the office"—I took him into the boat, and as soon as he saw the funnels in the boat he said, "Oh, I know nothing about these funnels."

GUILTY .** Aged 18.— Confined Nine Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-803
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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803. JOHN SHARGOLD was indicted for stealing 12lbs. weight of tea, value 15s. 6d., the goods of Thomas Russell; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 27.— Confined Six Months.

OLD COURT.—Tuesday, April 8th, 1845.

Second Jury, before Mr. Recorder.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-804
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804. ROBERT BANNISTER was indicted for unlawfully obtaining from James Hargreave, Joseph Nussey, and Obadiah Nussey, on credit, certain goods, with intent to cheat and defraud them thereof, on the 11th of April, 1844, within three months of his becoming a bankrupt.—2nd COUNT, stating it to be for unlawfully removing the goods so obtained, with intent to defraud the owners.—3rd COUNT, stating it to be for concealing them, with the like intent.—4th COUNT, stating it to be for disposing of them with the like intent.

MESSRS. CLARKSON and DOANE conducted the Prosecution.

ROBERT WM. CATTELL . I am a deputy-messenger in the Court of Bankruptcy, and produce the proceedings, under a fiat, against the prisoner—Mr. Goulbourne is the Commissioner—I brought the proceedings from the Court in Basinghall-street—Thomas Hamber is my principal—he appoints me by the sanction of the Court—the proceedings are under the care of Mr. Campbell, the registrar—they are given over to the chief messenger, and he, or Mr. Campbell, appoints the person to produce them—I produce them under the order of Mr. Campbell—the proceedings are enrolled.

THOMAS POWLES . I am assistant to a warehouseman, in Wood-street, Cheapside. I first knew the prisoner in May last, at Portsea—he was in

trade there as a draper—I was there on the 24th of May, and had dealings with him for my principal—I only sold him one quantity of goods—he kept a shop there in Queen-street—his name was over the door—the transaction was with him personally.

JOHN SMITH . I am traveller to Wilson and Barton, of Cheapside. I first became acquainted with the defendant in June last—he came to the house, and bought muslin-de-laine and printed goods, to the amout of about 100l.—we gave him three months' credit from the 1st of the following month—he was then living at Portsea—the goods were sent, by his order, to the carrier's, (I think, Pescod,) to be sent to Portsea—it must have been the latter end of June—I hold a written order from him, dated Portsea, 21st June, in our traveller's name, which was before what I have mentioned—he had taken an order from him in May, at Portsea—we sent those goods, printed calico and dresses—they were at three months' credit also.

RICHARD GROWCOCK . I am in partnership with Sampson Copestake and George Moore, of Bow Church-yard. We had transactions with the prisoner for several years, at Derby, when in partnership with his brother—he commenced business at Portsea in April, 1844—we supplied him with lace goods—we continued to supply him at Portsea from April to June—within three months of the 8th of July, 1844, he was indebted to us 145l. 2s. 9d. for lace sold and delivered within that period; on the 3rd of May, 88l. 4s. 3d.; 7th of May, 14l. 4s. 3d.; 4th of June, 43l.; and on 5th of June, 2l. 2s. 9d.—I hold in my hand his returned acceptance for 100l., dated 4th June, at three months—he is credited for cash on the 5th of June 2l. 8s. 6d.—with that exception, the 145l. was all due and owing on the 8th of July, the date of the fiat, which was issued against the defendant, on the petition of myself and father—I believe it was on the 3rd of May we first sent him goods to Portsea—that was our first transaction with him alone.

Cross-examined by MR. HUGHES. Q. Where were these goods ordered: from you? A. I believe the first parcel was purchased at our warehouse in London—I know goods were sent from our warehouse in London to him at Portsea, in the usual way—I cannot swear they reached his house, but he has accepted a bill for them, drawn by us, in consideration for the goods delivered to him at Portsea—he purchased them himself at our warehouse, of our people—we send travellers to Totterdale's hotel, at Portsea, and send goods down by them—a portion of the goods were looked out by the prisoner there, I understand—I believe those of the 3rd of May were bought by the prisoner at our house in London, and those of the 4th of June of Mr. Hebden, our traveller, at Portsea, who is on a journey—they amount to 43l.—Mr. Hebden accounted to me soon after the 4th of June—I will swear the prisoner has not paid Hebden for those goods, for he has accepted for them—I never saw the prisoner myself at our warehouse.

WILLIAM QUILTER . I am saw accountant, and live in Coleman-street. I was engaged by Bannister's creditors to look over his accounts—the defendant is the person who appeared under the commission—this is his signature to folio E, No. 2, and A, No. 6, of the proceedings—(Folio E, No. 2, was an account of goods bought, and contained an entry, "Grow-cock, I cock, 5th May, 87l. 17s. 11s. 17th May 15l. 7s. 5d.; 4th June, 43l. 10s. 1d.; and 6th June, 16s.:" and in A, 6, "Growcock, goods, 145l. 2s. 9d. Hold my acceptance for 100l.")

Q. In consequence of directions from Messrs. Growcock and other creditors, did you in July last go down to Portsea? A. I did, on Saturday, the 6th of July—I went to No. 77, Queen-street, which was a draper's shop, in the name of Bannister—I inquired for him, of Mr. Coleman, his shopman—I could not learn from anybody on the premises where he was—I saw his wife—I examined his books—this is one of them—here is Messrs. Growcock's account in folio 8—on the credit side is entered, "May 5th, goods, 87l. 17s. 1d.; May 7th, 14l. 11s. 5d.;" making together 102l. 8s. 6d.—on the other side I find, "4th June, bill at three months, 100l.," and, "cash, 2l. 8s. 6d.," balancing these two transactions—on the credit side, "4th June, 43l. 10s.;" 6th June, 16s. 8d. has been scratched out, and 16s. 1d. inserted—since I examined this book there has been written, in blue ink, on the credit side, "By bill, 100l."—that is a bill not paid—when I examined the book at first the 43l. 10s. was in pencil—it is now in blue ink—the entries were in a correct and business-like manner, except being in pencil—I examined his books very roughly that Saturday, but made out that he owed 14,000l. or 15,000l.—I have gone over them since, and examined them with his balance sheet—his debts are upwards of 16,000l., besides 2128l. liabilities for old partnership debts—within seven or eight weeks of the 6th of July I can swear that upwards of 5000l. worth of goods have been obtained, but believe it to be considerably more, and within three months 17,000l. the whole—I found about 5000l. worth of goods on the premises—there is about 260l. owing to him—I saw him after he returned from Madeira, I think in August, and asked him to give me the particulars of the goods he had sent to Oxenham's, the auctioneer's, for sale—he said he had no record of them in his books, but he sent a list with the first quantity, and I could get it from Oxenham's, which I did—I asked what loss there was on them—he told me what he afterwards deposed to in his balance sheet, which states that the goods sent to Oxenham on the 5th of June cost 720l., and realised 391l. 12s. 11d., being a loss of 328l. 7s. 11d. from the cost price—the goods sent to Bullock, an auctioneer, are put down as having cost 340l., and sold for 182l. 8s. 2d., loss 157l. 11s. 10d.—they are also entered under the date of the 5th of June—the examination states that he commenced business at Portsea on the 9th of March, and ended on the 8th of July—the stock left on the premises fetched between 3500l. and 4000l.—I have gone through all his books, and can say he was insolvent on the 11th of April, on the 9th of April and on the 1st of May—he was not solvent, when he began, putting the 2000l. out of question—he was insolvent, assuming that he did not owe that—when I was at Portsea I discovered that he had sent an immense quantity of goods away, about five tons—his books were silent on that subject—I discovered it by going to different wagon offices—there is an entry in his balance sheet of goods sold to Moses and Son for 200l., which cost 540l., being a loss of 340l.—Mr. Jay, my clerk, was sent to Madeira—I went on board the Grace Darling, elow Gravesend, in August, or the latter end of July, and saw the prisoner on board—I had had a conversation with Mr. Jay the previous evening, and spoke to the prisoner about nearly 3000l. which he had given up to Mr. Jay at Madeira—he said he had given up to Jay at Madeira all the money he had; he did not know how much it was; he hoped I should find it all—I said I believed he had not given it all up—I got 2850l. in gold, brought from Madeira by Mr. Jay—the prisoner said he was afraid it might have been played some tricks with at the Custom-house

at Madeira, and some taken, but he hoped I should find it all out—the halves of 250l. in notes were given to me, which were found behind a looking-glass in the prisoner's cabin—he said he thought there would be about 3000l.—it was after I heard him examined and make a statement, that I went to the vessel and found these half notes.

Cross-examined. Q. You do not find that any goods were sent to the bankrupt after the 6th of June? A. I have never said that, for goods were sent after he ran away, and when he came back—he bought goods before he ran away a second time—in his books is an entry of 213l. worth bought on the 20th of June—60l. 15s. 3d. on the 22nd of June, and 462l. on the 9th of June—I believe nearly every page of the book will show purchases subsequent to the 6th of June—I cannot tell where they were delivered—Mr. Jay has become my partner since the 1st of Jan.—he went to Madeira about the 12th of July, and returned, I think, early in August—he was gone about five weeks—when I got on board the Grace Darling I said, "Mr. Bannister, you have not got those trowsers on which you bought at Orleans in France"—he said, "Who are you?"—I told him, and that I had been to Orleans after him, and traced that he had been there—he said he hoped I should do all I possibly could for him with the assignees or creditors, as he had given up all his property—Mr. Jay had left the vessel at Margate on the previous day, and came to me at eight o'clock in the evening—I went down to Gravesend at twelve that night—I asked him over and over again what money he had given Jay—he said he did not know how much he had taken out himself, he had gone away in such a state of confusion—he said he was nearly pulled to pieces at Madeira by one person and another, that the custom-house officers told him he would be a great fool if he gave up the property; that one man offered, if he would give him 50l., to take him up the country, but he thought he bad better come to this country than be shot by the Portuguese; that the sovereigns had been a great trouble to him; he had no ease since be left England, for he was watched and it was suspected by everybody that he had run away from England the moment he landed; he regretted he had done wrong; he had acted very imprudently, but domestic ties had been the cause of his leaving the country, and that he had given up every farthing—he said Mr. Jay had promised to induce his creditors to give him 300l. in consideration of his giving up the property—he did not state to me that a person had offered for a sum of money to make away with Jay and the messenger—he had a pistol on board the ship—I think the estate has paid 8s. 6d. in the pound—I should think the expenses of the flat are about 600l.—that arises from the heavy expense of going to Madeira.

GEORGE LAWRENCE . I am a clerk in the office of Reed and Shaw, attornies for the assignees and for this prosecution. I bespoke the fiat—it was issued without a bond—the prisoner is the party examined under that fiat.

JOHN COURTNEY . I am in the office of Mr. Green, the official assignee under this fiat. Here is the invoice of Nussey and Hargreave, of Leads, among the bankrupt's papers—it is dated the 11th of April, 1844, sent by post to Mr. Bannister, Portsea, which is scratched out, and it is re-directed to Mr. Bannister, at Mr. Mullins's, Ironmonger-lane, London.

THOS. NUSSEY . I am one of the firm of James Hargreave, Obadiah and Joseph Nussey, of Leeds. This is our invoice made out to Mr. Bannister

of Portsea—it has been posted there, and posted again from there to Mr. Mullins's, Ironmonger-lane—I sold the goods in question to the prisoner—I have our order-book here—the entry is in the handwriting of one of our clerks, but here is the prisoner's handwriting under it, directing how the goods were to be sent—it is under the date of the 9th of April, 1844—the amount is 178l. 18s.—the prisoner selected the goods himself—they were woollen cloths—the invoice states the numbers, which are, No. 19870, 15 yards, at 4s. 10d.; No. 18323, 9 3/4 yards, at 5s. 6d.; No. 18866, 23 yards, at 7s. 6d.; No. 17080, 24 1/2 yards, at 7s. 10d.; No. 6070 and 71, 23 1/4 and 23 1/4 yards, at 7s. 6d.; No. 18847, 24 1/4 yards, at 8s. 6d.; No. 18811, 24 yards, at 9s.; No. 18657, 23 3/4 yards, at 11s.; No. 18099, 23 1/4 yards, at 12s. 6d.; No. 18824, 26 1/4 yards, at 13s.; No. 19734, 23 1/2 yards, at 8s. 10d.; No. 27400, 23 1/4 yards, at 10s. 9d.; No. 19737, 22 yards, at 11s. 9d.; No. 18896, 22 yards, at 12s. 3d.; No. 18072, 22 1/4 yards, at 13s. 4d.; No. 18945, 20 1/2 yards, at 15s. 6d.—I have taken off 9l. 1s. 6d. for measure a. usual, making the balance 178l. 18s.—the goods were sent, in the ordinary course, to London by Deakin and Co., our carriers at Leeds-John Smith, our porter, is dead—it was his duty to enter in this book all goods he received from us to deliver, and subscribe his name—this entry is his writing and is dated the 11th of April—he had two other parcels at the same time for Derby—here in his signature to it, as having delivered them to Deakin and Co.—the invoice was sent to the prisoner by post, and bears the post-mark of that day—the draper's average profit on such goods as these is about 25 percent., if sold over the counter—he directed them to be sent by Pickford's to London, thence by Pescod and Son, from the George, Aldermanbury, to Portsea; but we send them by whoever we please—we give one month's credit, and a bill at three months at the end of the month—we drew on him, and I have his acceptance unpaid—it was due on the 4th of Sept.—I received a letter from him, dated the 5th of May, inclosing the bill accepted—this is the letter—I have another letter from him, dated the 11th of May—(this was an order for goods)—I executed that order—the amount is 47l. 6s.—they were never paid for—I have proved under the estate for 178l. odd, and for the other amount—(the letters were identified by Mr. Quilter as the prisoner's writing.)

Cross-examined. Q. When was this entry made in the order-book, directing how he could have the goods sent? A. At the time the goods were sold—I believe he purchased them on the 9th of April—I will swear it was on or about that date—I will not swear they were not sold before the 7th—they left our place on the 11th—the date of the order in the book is the 9th—there is no date to this particular order, but it appears among other transactions of the 9th—there are two entries of the 9th before it, and subsequent also—it is usual when we sell goods to have them refinished, which takes a day or two, and we send them off when complete—we had transactions with him and his brother when at Derby, for four or five years.

COURT. Q. When was the order given in his writing how the goods were to be sent? A. At the time they were sold and entered—it was one transaction—I have no reason to think they were sold before the 9th—he first came to us about them on or about the 9th—I cannot fix the day—he came but once—I will not swear whether it was the 7th, 8th, or 9th—not from memory—I sold the goods, and called them out, and the

clerk entered them—this is the carrier's receipt in Smith's book—I forwarded them to London, and thence to Portsea—I have not seen goods or money since—they were directed to Robert Bannister, for Deakin and Co., to London, and thence by Pescod to Portsea.

Q. Have you any recollection what interval there was between the sale and the transmission of the invoice? A. It could not be more than three or four days—I do not see how it could take more than three or four days at the utmost, to refinish goods—the 11th would be quite sufficient time from the 9th—there is nothing to lead me to conclude they were sold earlier than the 9th.

JURY. Q. Is it the duty of your clerk to enter goods at the time they are sold? A. It is.

Q. In the book are entries dated the 4th, 6th, and then 4th, again? A. This is merely a rough book—just at the time people purchase them they are entered roughly—the address at Portsea in the direction of the invoice, has been struck out, and "At Mr. Mullins', Ironmonger-lane," has been added since it left us—I did not direct it myself—it was about three o'clock in the afternoon that he bought the goods.

LOUIS ADOLPHUS . I manage the business of Moses and Son, Aldgate. A few days before the 1st of May, I saw the prisoner at our establishment—he asked Mr. Moses, in my presence, if he bought woollen-cloths—Mr. Moses said he did—he said he was a linen-draper, at Portsea, but had entered into the woollen-trade, and did not find it answer, and wished to get rid of his woollen stock, he thought the first loss would be the best, or least—on the 1st of May he came again, and the goods were delivered at our back warehouse while he was present—I saw them—it was impossible a man could carry them—they must have come in some conveyance—he offered them for sale—they were examined—he named a price—a less price was offered, and we purchased them—I produce the invoice—the amount is 104l. 12s.—we paid him by a check, which has been returned from our bankers—I have the prisoner's receipt here—the goods were 418 1/2 yards, all at 5s. per yard—they were all of a quality in our judgment—we had worked them up before inquiry was made—we found the lengths correct—we did not have any discount.—(Moses's invoice contained the Nos. 6070-71, 18847, 18811, 18657, 18099, 18824, 19734, 19737, 18896, 18072, agreeing with Messrs. Nussey's invoice, and four pieces of goods not included in that invoice.)

MR. QUILTER. I have checked the accounts—the average cost price of these goods is 9s. 11 3/4d. per yard—I have looked through all the papers, and find no other goods corresponding with Moses's invoice, except Nussey's—I am satisfied the numbers sold to Moses are the same, as far as they go, as those bought of Nussey, as he bought no others of those numbers, price, or length—the lengths only differ a quarter of a yard.

(Extracts from the prisoner's examination before the Commissioner were here read, in which he admitted various sales of goods at an enormous sacrifice, some to Gregory and Co., for 300l., which cost 800l.)

HENRY GREEN . I am clerk to Mr. Reynel, and produce a copy of the London Gazette, from his office—I obtained this from the publisher of the Gazette, Francis Watts—it bears the stamp.

GUILTY on the 1st and 4th Counts. Aged 28.— Confined Eighteen Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-805
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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805. SARAH SMITH was indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of John Wood, in the night of the 1st of March, with intent to steal, and stealing therein, 1 pair of trowsers, value 10s.; 2 shirts, 1s. 6d.; and 1 apron, 6d.; his goods.

ELIZABETH WOOD . I am the wife of John Wood, a porter, and live at No. 12, John's-place, Heneage-street, Mile-end New-town—the landlord does not live in the house—we have separate apartments in the house. On the night of the 1st of March I went out with my husband about half-past nine o'clock, leaving my child in bed—I locked the room door, and took the key in my pocket—I returned at ten—I found the street-door broken open, and also found the door of my apartment open—I missed a pair of trowsers, two shirts, and an apron—they were safe when I left the room—I found the child crying—I have not seen any of these things since.

ELIZABETH WOOD , jun. I am six years old. I do not know the prisoner—I have never seen her before to-day.

MARTHA CORNELL . I live in the same house as the prosecutor. On Saturday night, the 1st of March, between nine and ten o'clock, I went out for about ten minutes, at the same time as Mr. and Mrs. Wood—when I returned, the little girl up stairs was crying—I went up to tell her not to cry—the door was locked—I could not open it—she laid quiet, and I came down stairs again, and went into my own room—I came out again, and stood at the door for a few minutes—a woman came out of the passage opposite with a cloak and bonnet, and coloured ribbons on it—she stooped down as if to pick something up, and said the little girl up stairs had frightened her very much—I asked how—she said, hearing the child cry, she thought there was a fire—I said, "The little puss, her mother will not be long"—I shut the door, and she walked by my side to the corner of the street—she then left me, and went one way, and I the other—I came back in about twenty minutes, met Mrs. Wood, and she told me she had been robbed—the woman did not say she had been into the house—she had not then, because the door was locked—the doors were all fas-tened, except the street-door—I am positive of the woman's dress—I gave a description of her person—she had a cloak on, with a large cape over it and a velvet bonnet with coloured ribbons to it—I did not notice her face, and could not swear to her features—the prisoner was dressed the same before the Magistrate.

WILLIAM RAWLINS . I live at St. Mary-at-hill. On the 3rd of March I met the prisoner in the custody of a man in Fashion-street—I saw her drop a key—I picked it up and gave it to Mr. Harris, who had stopped the prisoner.

Prisoner, He is taking a false oath, for he never saw me drop it; a child owned to it. Witness. I can take my oath of it; there is a witness here who saw me bring it back, and ask her if it was hers; she said no, she had her own key in her bosom; she dropped it in a puddle; no child owned to it in my presence.

BENJAMIN HARRIS . I stopped the prisoner in Fashion-street, Spital-fields. When I had her in charge, Rawlins asked her if she had dropped the key—she denied it—he gave it to me, and I gave it to the policeman as soon as he came up to me—I stopped her, on hearing a little girl cry, "Stop thief," and she asked me to stop her—it was about twenty minutes before one o'clock in the day.

HENRY SANDFORD (police-constable H 130.) On Monday, the 3rd of March, the prisoner was given into my custody—I received this key from

Harris, and this other key the prisoner afterwards gave me—I have tried them to Mrs. Wood's door, and both of them will open it.

Prisoner. He knows the little girl owned to the key. Witness, I cannot say that she did.

ELLEN BATEMAN . This key which was picked up is not mine—I claimed it when I first saw it—I thought it was the key of oar door which I had lost.

WILLIAM RAWLINS re-examined. I am sure I saw the prisoner drop the key—I saw her as she had her arm underneath her cloak, shift her arm, and drop it down into a puddle of water—a young chap said, "Something has dropped in there"—I raked it up, and went to her with it—I did not see it in the act of falling, because the cloak was over it—I heard the splash—this is the key.

MRS. WOOD re-examined. I have not lost my key—both these keys will lock and unlock my door—I have tried them myself.

Prisoner's Defence. I was in bed at the time.


7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-806
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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806. SARAH SMITH was again indicted for breaking and entering the dwelling-house of William Bateman, on the 3rd of March, at Christchurch, and stealing therein 1 clock, value 1l., his goods.

ELLEN BATEMAN . I am turned twelve years of age, and live with my father, William Bateman—he occupies the first floor—there are lodgers in the house—my father is the landlord—it is in the parish of Christ Church, Spitalfields—on Monday, 3rd March, I went out on an errand after twelve o'clock in the day—I locked the room-door and took the key with me—I left nobody in the room—there was a clock of my father's hanging on a nail against the wall in the front room—I returned in about ten minutes, and met the prisoner coming down stairs with something under her cloak—I looked up the stairs and saw the door of my father's room open, which I had locked—she asked me if I lived in the house—I said yes—she said, "Go up stairs, there is a man in the front room; he gave me this clock, look here; here, take it," and she threw it down directly out of her hand, and broke it—she ran away—I ran after her, and called out "Stop thief!"—I saw her stopped by Harris—I had lost sight of her for about half a minute in turning the corner, but I saw Harris catch her, and know her to be the same woman—I at first thought the key that was picked up belonged to me—when I was running after her I dropped my key and thought this might be mine—it is very much like it.

Prisoner. I never bad the clock in my hand; it was standing in the passage, and my cloak dragged it down.

BENJAMIN HARRIS . I was in White's-row, Spitalfields, between twelve and one o'clock on the 1st of March, and heard the screams of a child proceeding from the prosecutor's house—I saw the prisoner come out of the house, and the girl fast hold of her cloak—the prisoner got away from the girl and ran away—I ran after her—the girl screamed out, "Stop her, stop thief!"—I ran after her about twenty yards, and called to a young man to stop her—he did not stop her—I ran after her again about 100 yards and overtook her—she said she had done nothing, I had no occasion to stop her—in bringing her baa she said if there was any damage done she would make a recompense—I gave her into custody of a constable.

Prisoner. He did not see me come out of any house; I ran right into his arms; he never ran after me at all.

Witness. I did—I stopped her in Fashion-court, 130 or 140 yards from the bouse—I merely lost sight of her just as she turned the corner—I cought hold of her directly—I had not altogether lost sight of her cloak—I am sure she is the person.

WILLIAM RAWLINS . I am a porter. I was coming down Fashion-street, and saw the prisoner running—I asked her what was the matter—she said, "Nothing"—she continued to run, and had her cloak tucked under her arm—I did not exactly see her stopped by Harris, but hearing the children crying "Stop thief" I ran up, and as she was coming back I saw her drop the key—I picked it up and gave it to Harris, and he gave it to the policeman.

Prisoner. He never saw me drop it, for I never had it; he said at the station-house he knew nothing about it, and would not sign his name till the policeman made him; he said, "I only picked up the key; I do not know whether she dropped it or not." Witness. I never said any such thing—I said I did not want any bother, but the inspector said I had better go along with the policeman to Worship-street.

HENRY SANDFORD , (police-constable H 180.) I received the prisoner in custody—this key was given me by Harris—I was sent by the inspector to see how the door was opened—no violence had been used to it—I tried, this key and it opened the door.

Prisoner's Defence. I am innocent of the key and of going into the room to take the clock.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Six Months.

OLD COURT.—Wednesday, April 9th, 1845.

Third Jury, before Edward Bullock, Esq.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-807
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty

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807. THOMAS EDWARDS was indicted for stealing, on the 20th of March, 26 brushes, value 14s.; 5 combs, 1s. 8d.; 6 brush-cases, 5s.; 12 razors, 13s. 6d.; 3 pairs of scissors, 1s. 7d.; 7 razor-strops, 4s. 10d.; 5 bottles, 7s.; 3 files, 3s.; 3 button-hooks, 3s.; 3 looking-glasses, 4s.; 3 shaving-boxes, 8s.; 5 leather cases, 2l.; 1 corkscrew, 6d.; 1 stiletto, 4d.; and 1 needle-case, 1s.; the goods of Otto Alexander Berens and another, his masters:— also, for stealing a variety of other articles, on the 27th of June, 10th of Jan., and 26th of March, the goods of his said masters; to all which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 45.— Confined Six Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-808
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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808. WILLIAM YOUNG was indicted for stealing, on the 11th March, at St. Helen's, 1 watch, value 7l.; 1 watch-chain, 4l.; 2 seals, 2l.; 8 rings, 17l.; and a guard-chain, 10s.; the goods of George De Bosco Attwood, in his dwelling-house: and that he had been before convicted of felony.

MR. CLARKSON conducted the Prosecution.

ANN DAW . I am nursery servant in the house of Mr. Attwood, who is Secretary to the Bank of British North America—the business is carried on in the house, No. 7, St. Helen'-place, Bishopsgate. On Tuesday, 11th March, I and Caroline Bastow were out with the children—we returned to St. Helen's as the chimes went a quarter past four—on reaching the second

flight of stairs I met the prisoner—I am certain he is the man—as I was turning the banister of the first flight from the hall—he turned the banister from the second floor, facing us—we were coming up very gently, and all at once I heard his footsteps—it surprised me—I looked up very hard at him—he never stopped or spoke, but passed right down by my side—he was dressed in a brownish taglioni coat, trimmed with velvet, and speckled trowsers—that I particularly remarked—on reaching the third floor I found my mistress was out—I immediately went to the housemaid, Jane Pannel, and gave her directions about the rooms up stairs, and she went up—on the Tuesday following I went to the Guildhall justice-room, and was shown two persons in charge—neither of those was the man I had seen, but as I came out from the court I passed through the outer room, and as I was shutting the door after me I saw the prisoner standing—I knew him instantly—he was not dressed as he had been when I saw him coming down the stairs—I had described to the officer the dress the man wore—after the prisoner was in custody the officer produced to me in the court a brown Taglioni coat and speckled trowsers—I knew them directly—I noticed his features as well as his clothes.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. You described his features to the officer, I dare say? A. Yes, I told him he was neither dark nor fair, and had rather darkish hair—I do not know that I described his features—I said he was a thin man, and slightly made—I described the trowsers to be speckled, black and white mixed—the door of my master's house is always open for the bank, and there is a public staircase—it was on that stair-case I met the prisoner—Bastow saw him—I went to Guildhall, as the policeman told me he had a man dressed very much as I had described—I and Caroline Bastow have not talked over the dress, features, or appearance of the man—I never described what sort of man he was—we have talked about it, being very uneasy at the thing happening—I recognised him first—I did not call Bastow's attention to him—she was not with me—it was after I recognised him that she saw him—it was some days after he had been taken in charge—he was standing in the court—I noticed the chimes because my mistress is particular when we go in.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Is the bank carried on on the ground floor? A. Yes, in the hall—no person who had anything to do with the bank had any business up the second flight of stairs.

CAROLINE BASTOW . I am a nursery-maid in Mr. Attwood's family—I was with Ann Daw on the afternoon of 11th March—we came home at a quarter past four, and went up stairs—Daw went first—I saw the prisoner coming down as we went up—I am sure he is the man—he had on a light Taglioni coat and speckled trowsers—I looked at his face—I saw him again on the Saturday week at Guildhall—that was after Daw had seen him—I knew him again—he was not dressed as he had been before—I had not given any description of his dress to the officer, nor heard Daw do so—I am sure he is the man.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you described his features or appearance to anybody? A. No—I did not think I should know the man until I saw him in Court—Daw had not told me what he was like—she had never named him to me, or talked to me at all about the prisoner—we never exchanged a word about him from the time it happened till I saw him—I expected to see him at Guildhall—I went on purpose to see if I could recognise him among the other prisoners in the cell—I did not go into the

cell—I saw him as he was going to be taken to the bar—I noticed his trowsers—they were speckled, mixed—I noticed them particularly—I never mentioned to anybody that I noticed them, only to my mistress—I gave no description of his face to my mistress, merely of his trowsers—I heard the chimes.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. You did not think you should be able to recognise him? A. No, but the instant I saw him I knew him.

COURT. Q. You say you never talked to Daw about the prisoner, did you talk to her about the transaction? A. Yes.

JANE PANNELL . I am house-maid to Mr. Attwood. On Tuesday Daw told me what she had seen—I went up to my mistress's bed-room, and found the door open—I shut and locked it, and put the key under the mat—I kept it there till my mistress came home—I then unlocked the door for her.

MARY ATTWOOD . I am the wife of George De Bosco Attwdod, secretary of the Bank of British North America—the business is carried on on the ground-floor of No. 7, Great St. Helen's, and we occupy as our do-mestic establishment the upper part of the house. On Tuesday, the 11th of March, a little after four o'clock, I accompanied my husband on his way to the railway-station—my children had gone out for a walk with the nursery-maids—I returned about seven o'clock in the evening—Pannell opened my bed-room door for me—I went in, and missed my gold watch, chain, seals, and rings, from my drawer, they were above the value of 5l.—I have never recovered my property.

GEORGE DE BOSCO ATTWOOD . I dwell with my wife and family, at No. 7, Great St. Helen's—it is in the parish of St. Helen's.

JOSEPH HEDDINGTON (City police-constable, No. 112.) I was present at the prisoner's apprehension at Guildhall—when he was in custody I heard him say he lived at No. 1, Roll's-corner, Bream's-buildings, Chancery-lane—I asked him what rooms he occupied—he said the two parlours on the ground floor—I went there, and found some duplicates of some clothing, this Taglioni coat with a velvet collar, and these trowsers.

Cross-examined. Q. Where are the duplicates? A. I have left them at the station-house—I have only produced what was relative to the charge—I can fetch them—I think the date of the last duplicate was the 28th of March, for a gown, for 3s.—I may be mistaken in the date—I cannot say that there was any duplicate for March—there were fourteen, for trifling articles of wearing apparel, rings, and a watch.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Had the prisoner any one attending for him on his examination before the Magistrate? A. Yes—Mr. Woolf attended on the first occasion—I was not required by him to produce the duplicates here to-day.

STEPHEN QUESTED (City police-constable, No. 171.) Daw came to Guildhall, at my request, to see two persons I had in custody—she did not recognise them—as she was going out through the waiting-room she recognised the prisoner, and pointed him out to me—I took him into custody—she had before described to me the dress he wore—he was not wearing that dress then—she had given me the description on the Saturday previous, and it was in consequence of that I went to his lodging to search.

FRANCIS HARDEN . I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction from Mr. Clark's office—I know the prisoner to be the man to

whom the certificate refers—I was present at his trial—(read—"Convicted 4th July, 1842, of larceny from the person, and confined three months.")

GUILTY . Aged 26.— Transported for Ten Years.

Before Mr. Justice Coltman.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-809
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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7th April 1845
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810. EDWARD SPICER was indicted for that he, being employed in the Post-office, did on the 18th of January steal a post letter, containing 2 sovereigns, 1 half-sovereign, 1 half-crown, 3 shillings, 1 sixpence; and 1 10l. note, and 1 5l. note; the property of Her Majesty's Postmaster-General.—Other COUNTS, varying the manner of stating the charge.

MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL, with MESSRS. ADOLPHUS and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

CHARLES HARDEN . I am a solicitor, and live in Sergeant's-inn, Chancery-lane. On Saturday, the 18th of Jan. last, I had occasion to remit to Mrs. Ludlam, of Charmouth, a 10l. note, a 5l. note, some sovereigns and silver—I got the notes from Messrs. Gosling's, the bankers, by virtue of a check of my own—I enclosed them in a letter, which I directed to Mrs. Ludlam, and took it to the General Post-office, St. Martin's-le-grand, to be registered—I took it to a box, and gave it to a clerk who sits at the window, to have it registered—I paid 1s. for the registering, and 6d. for postage—that was about half-past four o'clock in the afternoon-at that time the notes and money were safe in the letter—on the Thursday following, in consequence of something I heard from Mrs. Ludlam, I went to the Post-office again.

GEORGE STRANGE . I am cashier at the house of Gosling and Sharp, bankers, in Fleet-street. Mr. Harden is a customer of ours—I paid the check produced on the day it bears date, with a 10l. note, No. 71688, dated the 4th of Dec. (it should be 1844, but on a recently issued note we do not take the year as we are quite positive of it) a 5l. note, No. 51092, dated the 2nd of Nov., 1844, and the rest in gold and silver.

REECE WILLIAMS . I am a clerk in the inland Post-office. I was on duty on the 18th of Jan. last at the paid window, and received a letter addressed to Mrs. Ludlam, at Charmouth, in Dorsetshire, to be registered—I gave this receipt for it to the person who brought it, and made a corresponding entry in a book which I have here—it is "Mrs. Ludlam, Charmouth"—(receipt read—"a registered letter received this 18th day of Jan., 1845, addressed Mrs. Ludlam, Charmouth, R. W.")—those are my initials—I retained the letter until Mr. Plant, the register clerk, called for it in the course of his duty—I delivered that letter to him among other registered letters, and he put his initials against the counterpart entry in this book.

WILLIAM JAMES PLANT . I am a clerk in the Post-office. On the evening of the 18th of Jan., about half-past five o'clock in the afternoon, I took from Mr. Williams several letters—one among them was addressed to Mrs. Ludlam, Charmouth—here are my initials on this counterpart—I had the letters stamped, and took them to Mr. Barnard to be registered—I gave them to him—I then entered the name and the town, on a green

cover used for the purpose, in which the letter is inclosed—it was entered by Mr. Barnard—it was then taken by us to Mr. Liffen, the clerk of the Oval road, and he placed his initials against the entry in the register-book, as an acknowledgment of having received it.

WILLIAM BARNARD . On the 18th of Jan. last I was on duty at the I Post-office as registering clerk. I have my register of that day with me—I remember Mr. Plant bringing a letter to me that evening—I registered it—I have entered "a registered letter for Mrs. Ludlam, Charmouth"—after the letter was so registered it would, according to the course of business, be inclosed in a green cover, which is prepared for the express purpose of inclosing registered letters—each registered letter has a green cover, and is addressed to the post-master of the town to which it is to go—the post-master's name is printed on the cover, and we have only to add the name of the town, and the name of the party to whom it is addressed—that was written by Mr. Plant in my presence—after it was inclosed in the green cover I and Mr. Plant took it over to Mr. Liffen, the clerk of the Oval division, or road—I took my register with me, and he affixed his initials to the entry in the register, at an acknowledgment of having received that letter.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. How long have you been in the Post-office? A. Nearly sixteen years—I have known the prisoner a long while in the employ of the Post-office.

JOHN FOWLER LIFFEN . I am a clerk in the inland department of the Post-office. I was on duty on the night of the 18th of Jan. as clerk of the Oval road—the letters for Dorsetshire are made up at that road—I remember some registered letters being brought to me by the register clerk that evening—it is the course of business to bring me the registered letters and the register book, and I put my initials in the book, to show that I have received those letters—I received that evening a letter addressed to Mrs. Ludlam, of Charmouth—I signed my initials, and made a memorandum on a rough sheet, called a slip—this is the slip on which I made the entry of the letter—it is merely the name "Ludlam"—having made the entry on the slip, I put the letter into the Dorchester mail-box with the other letters, which have been already sorted by myself—the Charmouth letters are put into the Dorchester box—they are put loose into the box, and afterwards tied up in bundles by another clerk—if he finds any registered letter he would tie it on the outside of the bundle—after tying them in bundles he puts them into the box again, and I afterwards take them out, and put them into bags, to be forwarded to their destination—I remember seeing this letter after it was tied up in the bundle—on this letter-bill which was forwarded with the registered letters an entry was made, to inform the post-master that such a letter ought to be sent—an account was taken on this bill of the unpaid and registered letters—the entry was made on the bill by a clerk named Perkins, in my presence—I then put the letter-bill, with the bundle of letters for Dorchester, into the Dorchester mail-bag, which was tied and sealed, and delivered to somebody to carry to the omnibus which was waiting to receive it—I believe the mail-guards go with the omnibuses to the stations—I have got the mail-guard's bill for the 18th of Jan.—the date and hour at which the mail is despatched is in my handwriting—the mail-guard brings it to me—there are figures here, but I do not know in whose handwriting they are—I wrote nothing but the time of the despatch—I delivered the bill to the guard.

BENJAMIN PERKINS . I am a clerk in the Post-office. On the 18th of Jan. I assisted Mr. Liffen—there was a registered letter there, directed to Mrs. Ludlam—here is my handwriting on the bill—I copied it from this slip used by Mr. Liffen—I have written "I" against "registered letters" and the name of Ludlam—I called out the name to Mr. Liffen from the bill, as having entered it, and he said it was correct—I then handed it to him, and told him there was one for Dorchester of the name of Ludlam.

PETER O'MEARA . I am a letter-carrier in the Post-office. I was on duty on the 18th of Jan., and was present when the Dorchester mail-bag was being made up—Mr. Liffen was there—it was my duty to take the letters out of the bag, tie them up, and return them into the box again—I did not see them placed in the mail-bag—that was not my duty—I was standing by at the time the letters were placed in the bag—I saw the bag tied; I sealed it, and carried it down to the yard, where the omnibus was waiting to carry it—I put it into the omnibus—I do not recollect whether the guard was there—the prisoner was the guard that night—I do not remember whether I saw him at the omnibus or not.

LANGDON THOMAS GEORGE TURNER . I am clerk in the mail-coach department at the Post-office. I have the attendance-book for the 18th of Jan.—the prisoner was on duty that day, as appears by his signature—it was his duty to convey the bags to Southampton, and there deliver them to the guard of the Exeter mail.

WILLIAM COOPER . I am mail-guard from London to Portsmouth. On the 18th of Jan. I received the mail-bag for Portsmouth—I travelled with the prisoner that night from the Vauxhall station as far as Bishopstoke—I there left the prisoner, to go in my direction—nobody was with him then in the railway-carriage; he was alone with the bags.

Cross-examined. Q. Was not George Wager there with him? A. There are two compartments, and a door opens from one to the other, without getting out—there are two omnibuses, one for the Southampton railway and one for the Portsmouth.

COURT. Q. Do you mean each guard has an omnibus to himself in taking the letters from the office to the Nine-elms station? A. Yes, the Southampton guard has—there are two go together with the Portsmouth bag, the Portsmouth and Yeovil—I know that, because I go with them—there never is but one for the Southampton—I have seen them go regularly.

FREDERICK MARTIN . I am guard of the Southampton and Exeter mail as far as Dorchester. On the night of the 18th of Jan. I received the mail-bags for Southampton at the railway-terminus there—the prisoner came down with them—I called over with him the different bags, among others the Dorchester bag—I did not find any difference from the usual way—I took possession of them—I proceeded with them to Dorchester, and delivered them there at the Dorchester post-office.

CHARLES FRAMPTON . I am clerk in the Dorchester post-office. On Monday morning, the 19th of Jan., the Dorchester mail-bags were opened in the office—this letter-bill was in the bag—I found by that that the bag was said to contain a registered letter addressed to Mrs. Ludlam, at Charmouth—I found no such letter in the bag.

Cross-examined. Q. Are you acquainted with Poole and its neighbourhood? A. Yes—I know Mr. Hancock and Mr. Galey, magistrates

of Poole, and Mr. Pearce, the sheriff, by name, but not personally—I not know their handwriting.

COURT. Q. The bags are sealed when you receive them? A. I cannot say; they ought to be—they are usually sealed—there is a regular seal—it is London and the crown on it—that is the Post-office seal—very probably, from friction in travelling, the seal may be defaced a good deal; I have not taken particular notice—I do not examine the seal to see whether it is perfect.

ELIZABETH LUDLAM . I live at Charmouth. In Jan. last I expected a letter with a remittance, from Mr. Haiden, my attorney—I have never received one.

JOHN BULLOCK . I am collecting-clerk to Messrs. Tanqueray and Co., distillers. Mr. Haley who keeps the Crown, in Glass-house-street, East Smithfield, is a customer of theirs—I find my handwriting on this 10l. note, "Haley. J. B."—I received this note from Mr. Haley on the 23rd of Jan.

JAMES HALEY . I keep the Crown, in East Smithfield—I am the prisoner's brother-in-law. I changed a 10l. note for him on the 20th of Jan. last, I think—I afterwards paid that note to Mr. Bullock.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you know that the prisoner has been fourteen years in the Post Office? A. Yes—I am not aware of his having been sued just before this—I believe he was in some difficulty or other—I do not know that there has been any action brought against him—(The note was here read, and was for 10l., No. 71688, dated 4th Dec., 1844.)

ROBERT TYRRELL . I am a police-constable, attached to the Post Office. I apprehended the prisoner on the 19th of Feb., at the Vauxhall-railway) station—I told him he must consider himself in my custody on a charge of felony—I took him to a tap opposite the railway station, and searched him, but found only a few shillings on him—I cautioned him that anything he might say might be used against him at a future day—I then asked him if he had a brother living near St. Katherine's—he said, "Yes, a brother-in-law keeping the Crown"—I asked if he had given his brother anything—he said, "No"—he afterwards said, "Yes, he gave me change for a 10l. note"—I asked if he knew the person from whom he received the note—he said a person of the name of Murray or Morris, he did not know which, at Southampton—he said, when at Southampton, that he saw a gentleman get off the Weymouth coach, and go into the railway-station, that he came out, and said he could not go, as they could not give him change for a note, that he (the prisoner) then made answer, he could give him change, and he gave him ten sovereigns for the 10l. note—he said he brought eleven sovereigns out with him for the purpose of paying his rent—I asked him the description of the person he received the note of—he said he was a seafaring-man, but he did not know where he lived.

MATTHEW PEAK . I am a constable attached to the Post-office. I went down to Southampton on the 19th of Feb., and went to No. 3, Anglesea-terrace there—I found a female there who said she was Mrs. Spicer—what passed between her and me was afterwards stated to the prisoner at the solicitor's office next day—I received from her this 5l. note—"No. 51092, dated Nov. 2,1844")—I told the prisoner that I had been to Southampton, and to No. 3, Anglesea-terrace, that I saw a person there who said she was Mrs. Spicer; that I said to her, "Your husband has

sent to you for a 5l. note which you have got;" that she said she had not got one, that I said, "Then I must commence searching the house," which I did, that I afterwards came into the parlour with her, and she gave me this 5l. note, which I then produced—I then said, "I asked your wife where she got it from, and she said she received it from you, and that you told her when you gave it her, that you won it at cards at Willis's beer-shop"—the prisoner said, "I did give it my wife, and told her as you have stated"—he was afterwards asked in my presence where he got the 5l. note—he said he had it from the same gentleman as he had the 10l.—he was asked who the gentleman was, and he said his name was either Morris or Murray—he was asked the reason why he did not state that he gave the gentleman change for the 5l. note when he said he gave him change for the 10l.—he said he was not asked about the 5l. note.

Q. Were you told by the prisoner to go to his wife, and ask her for the 5l. note? A. I was not—it was certainly wrong of me to tell a falsehood, but we are obliged to do so.

Cross-examined. Q. I believe it was only at the last Session that you were told that you had been practising the same thing for some time, and you ought never to do so again? A. This took place before that trial—it is true that his wife told me at first she had not got it—everything was true except that her husband had sent to her to get it—I invented that for the purpose of seeing whether she had it or not.

MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL. It is quite wrong, it must not occur again. Witness. No, Sir, I will discontinue it.

GUILTY.—Recommended to mercy on account of his long service and good character. Aged 39.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-811
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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811. EDWARD SPICER was again indicted for stealing a post letter containing a quantity of jewellery the property of Her Majesty's Post-master-General; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 39.— Transported for Life.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-812
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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812. JOHN WHITE and THOMAS WILMOT were indicted for feloniously assaulting William Bridges, on the 10th of Feb., and cutting and wounding him on the forehead, with intent to disable him.—2nd COUNT, stating their intent to be to do him some grievous bodily harm.

WILLIAM BRIDGES . On the 10th of Feb., between twelve and one o'clock at night, I was at the Globe and Friends, in Morgan-street, Commercial-road—I was sober—as I was coming out, Wilmot struck me with his fist—I did not know him before—I had seen him in the tap-room previously—he came in about a little before twelve—we had had no dispute—I never exchanged a word with him—I was not knocked down by that blow—the landlord ordered the prisoners to be turned out for using bad language, after striking me—Hind, the potman, was turning them out, and as soon as they were outside they struck him—I did not see that—he came in and told me—about ten minutes or a quarter of an hour after, I went to go outside to the watering-place, and I saw the prisoners standing at the door—I went up to Wilmot to ask him the reason why he struck me—I had not got the words quite out of my mouth before White struck me on the forehead with some weapon, but I cannot say what it was exactly—it was not his fist—I fell to the ground—I got up again, and laid hold of White, to try to see for the weapon—I was looking round to see if any assistance

was coming to help me as I hallooed out, I was struck, and wanted help, and Wilmot struck me with a stone, or something that he had in his hand, on the forehead, not where the other blow was—I fell to the ground again from the blow—I was picked up, and taken off to the London Hospital—I cannot tell anything that passed after that, I was insensible—I first came to myself next morning at the hospital—I am sure the blow given by Wilmot was not from his fist—it was a very hard instrument, a stone or something—I did not see it—the blow given by White was not with his fist, but with a hard instrument.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. What are you? A. A painter and glazier—I was not in employment at this time, nor for about a fortnight before—I live right opposite the Globe and Friends—I was there drinking a drop of porter—I was not the worse for liquor—I was sober—the little I had might have taken a little effect on me—I am sober now—I came into this Court with a lighted pipe in my pocket—I was not aware of it—I came in in a hurry, hearing my name called—there might have been a party of prostitutes at the public-house—I knew several of the women that were there, but I cannot say whether they were prostitutes—I never saw the witness Stewart before to my knowledge—I never heard of her being a thief and a returned transport—I did not see the potman come out with a poker—I did not see the potman till I waa picked up and taken to the hospital—I did then, and he had no poker—I did not knock Wilmot down—that I swear—I am not aware that a man named Ladd was examined before the Justice—he was not there when I went, but I could not go till some time afterwards—the potman came to the hospital with some of the prisoner's friends, to offer me 2l. to make it up—I did not say that would not do, I must have 5l., nothing of the sort—they came a second and third time, and offered me 3l.—I would not take it—I know the potman by living there—he is no friend of mine—I did not first send a friend to say I would make it up for 2l.—they offered me 2l., and I said that would not pay me for anything near the time I had lost, as I should be there, I dare say, five or six weeks—they wanted to put the 2l. into my bed and leave it, and I would not have it—I did not say I would have 5l.—the young woman who came said they could not afford to give me as much at that, but they would endeavour to raise 4l. for me—I said that would not do, I would take no such money—I did not say I would see about it, nor anything like it—I did not hear the potman come up to White, whilst I was fighting with Wilmot, and say, "You b----, you are his friend, and I will fight you"—I was not lying on the ground on the top of Wilmot, nor he on the top of me—I did not see White pick up Wilmot, nor the potman strike Wilmot—we were not all pushed out into the street together—I was in the tap-room—there might have been from ten to twelve men and women in the tap-room—I lodge with Mrs. Teasdale, a widow—there are two or three more lodgers—one is a slater, and the other a hat-cutter—they were not there—I saw no pieces of bricks lying about—I had been at the public-house, I dare say, for an hour and a half or two hours, not more—I had been in and out pretty well the whole of the afternoon, from my own house over the way, from between two and three o'clock in the afternoon till between one and two in the morning—I had been home about half-past nine—I did not go home after having the row with Wilmot—I stopped in tne tap-room—I understand White lodged right opposite me.

Q. After White had gone home and come out again, did you come out of the public-house, and say, "Here are the b----s again? A. No, I did not, I never used such a word—I did not see the potman with a poker in his hand, or see him strike anybody with it—White went home—when I saw him he was standing against the house—I did not see anybody break open the door—the door was open when I went up—I went up to the door to ask Wilmot why he had hit me—it was between twelve and one o'clock—I did not want to renew the row—I wished to know why he had struck me, knowing I had given him no provocation to do so.

COURT. Q. Is White's door next to the public-house? A. No, it is not near the public-house, it is in Cross-street—I cannot say how far White's door is from the public-house.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q.. Will you swear this was not as late as between one and two o'clock in the morning? A. Yes—it was between twelve and one, to the best of my recollection—it might have been after one—I did not see Lyons the policeman come by—they were turning the prisoners out of the Globe and Friends before I received the injury—I cannot fix the time—I do not know Sun-court, East Smithfield—I have lived in Morgan-street about six years—the fight in the public-house between me and Wilmot did not last two minutes.

Q.. Had there been any disturbance with Stewart before that? A. I cannot say who the row was with—there was a row—I cannot say who began it—I was paying no attention to it—the quarrel between me and Wilmot was not in consequence of my interfering in favour of Stewart—I had been drinking nothing but a little porter—it might have been a pint or two—I cannot say how much—I had no spirits—Wilmot was standing by the shutters when White gave me the blow—the blow given me by Wilmot, when I was calling out for help, was a very slight one—it cut my flesh—it was merely a slight graze—there was a Jew there—I did not see him with a poker or anything in his hand—I do not know what he was doing—the potman was turning them out—that was all I saw him do—I did not help him—I and the potman did not rush out with seven or eight more on the prisoners—I was in the tap-room—I cannot say who went out, or who helped the potman to turn the prisoners out—the row happened against the door, which was opened, and I was up against the fire-place—they were all up together, and I could not look over their shoulders, to say who it was turning them out—when I am out of work, I get my living by going round with glass to persons' houses—if I see a square of glass broken, I knock at the door, and ask if they want a square of glass put in.

WILLIAM HINDS . I remember this disturbance on the 10th of Feb.—the row was caused through bad language in the tap-room, between White and Stewart—I went to the bar after that—on coming in again, there was a row between Bridges and Wilmot—I found them wrestling with each other—they fell down on the floor—I parted them, and told my master there was a row inside—he ordered me to turn the prisoners and the two females that were with them out—I turned them out, and shut the door—after a few minutes I went to the door to put it on the jar, as it is usually kept—I then went outside, and White hit me with a stone or brick, wrapped up in a piece of cloth, or something—I went out, but not over tne threshold of the door, and he struck me in the mouth, and split my lip—he held it in his hand and swung it, and hit me in the mouth with it—it

was not his hand that touched my mouth—I went inside with my mouth bleeding—Bridges, who was standing there, asked me who did it—I told him who did it—about a quarter of an hour after, Bridges went outside the door—about ten minutes or a quarter of an hour after he had gone out, I went to the door, to see where he had gone, and saw him standing in the road, opposite the door of White's house—on going up to see whether I could get him away, I saw him fall on the ground—I could not tell what made him fall—the prisoners were not near him at the time, they were standing at their own door—another person who was standing there picked him up, and took him to Mr. Bennett's, the surgeon, who ordered him to the hospital—I did not see any blow struck at him.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Are you the potman? A. Yes, we keep rather late hours—we put the door ajar about twelve, or half-past—I first saw Bridges there that night, about ten o'clock, and I saw him about three in the afternoon—he was at the bar when I saw him at ten—I do not know, whether he was having anything—he lives opposite, and does work for my master, as a glazier—Mrs. Stewart was not there then—I do not know what time she came—I never saw her and Bridges together before that night—I saw them in the tap-room together about twelve o'clock—I had only seen Stewart in the house once before—I have known her relations, but not her—we had no poker in the tap-room that night—there might have been one in the house—it did not come into my band—a person named Ladd was examined before the Justice—he stated there that I had a poker, but I had not—Bridges bad not been drinking there nearly the whole day—I did not see him in the house till about ten o'clock—I saw him in the afternoon, in the street, at the door where he lodges, not in our house—he was not drinking anything at ten o'clock—I did not see him drink anything but porter that evening—I drank porter with him once or twice—I do not think he was exactly sober, and I cannot say he was tipsy—he was not sober—I was sober—nobody helped me to turn the prisoners and the females out—I ordered them out, and they went out—it was about half-past twelve o'clock, or between that and one, Bridges went out, I suppose four or five minutes after I turned them out, and I went out about ten minutes or a quarter of an hour after him—he does not live above ten yards off—I put the door on the jar, about half-past twelve, or a quarter to one, to let the people see that the house was not shut up—we shut up about two in the morning—I saw no brickbats lying about where Bridges fell—I did not look—I preferred no charge for the blow in my mouth—I did not, by the desire of the prosecutor or any of his friends, go to the prisoners, to tell them that he wished to make it up for 2l.—I was at the hospital when the female belonging to White offered Bridges 2l. to make up the affair, and not to prosecute—he said he would not; he had met with this blow, and he would prosecute—that was all I heard—I swear that—I did not hear Bridges say that 2l. would not pay him for his loss of time; nor that he would not take less than 5l.; nor that he would consider whether he would take 4l.—I was only present once when any offer was made—I went then to see him, and I was standing by the bed-side when the female came in—two females came, the mother of Wilmot, and White's wife—I had not told White's wife to go there—I swear that—I said nothing about making any recompense—I did not know White's wife was coming there that day—I knew she was going

there, because she said she would try and make him up the money he wanted—I saw her again on the Thursday morning after I had heen there on the Tuesday, and she said Bridges had told her after I left, that he would not mind making it up for 5l., and she would try and make up the 5l. if she could—I was not at the hospital when she went again—I did not say I wanted something for myself—I was offered a sovereign and would not take it—I cannot tell what Bridges was about during the ten minutes or quarter of an hour he was out, before I followed him—it never occurred to me that there would be another row if he went out—I did not hear the words, "Here are the b----s again" made use of—I do not recollect hearing Ladd swear that—I did not strike anybody—I swear that—I did not quarrel with any one—I was struck without any provocation.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Did you not move the prisoners out of the tap-room, and then push them out of the house? A. No—that I swear—I did not push Wilmot out, and it was not just as I got him out that White struck me—I ordered them out, and they went out—I do not know the difference between pushing and ordering—Bridges went out by himself—no one went out with him.

ELIZA STEWART . I was in the tap-room of the Globe and Friends, on the 10th of Feb. and heard a disturbance between Bridges and White—I passed some remark on the females that were there—the young men heard it, and White made use of most awful language to me—I went to the bar and complained of it to the landlord—the pot-boy was desired to turn them out, and he turned out the two prisoners and the two females—I heard a scuffling in the tap-room while I was at the bar, but I did not see it—after they were turned out there was a fight outside the door, (so the pot-boy said who came in with his mouth bleeding) about half an hour after I went out to go home, and saw the two prisoners standing at the door where they live, and two women behind them—I had to pass their door to go home, and as I was going towards it, I saw Bridges going towards them, and I saw White stab or hit him in the head with some instrument which shined in the light—he staggered, and I saw him bleeding very much—I screamed "Police," till I was so exhausted I could not scream any longer—I then saw the two girls try to drag the prisoners in—(I saw no more of Bridges, he was taken away and I was so flurried)—the policeman put his foot against the door and kept it open, and the prisoners were taken into custody.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Where do you lodge? A. I keep a house in Garden-court, East Smithfield—I do not take in lodgers—I have it all to myself—it is only a two-roomed house—I take in needle work and umbrella work—I am not in the habit of taking in sailors—I was locked up in Clerkenwell gaol not long ago, but I was quite innocent—I had been out four or five days when this happened—I was there, I think, three weeks—that is the only time I have been in custody—I swear that—I am married—my husband is at home I presume—he lives with me—I was sent to Clerkenwell because a sailor said he had been robbed in my place—he came into my house in mistake for the house next door—I swear I have not been transported—I had not been drinking with Bridges on this night—I never took anything in the house—I went there to look after my husband—he is in the habit of going to public-houses with fish and one thing and another—I got to the public-house about

half-past eleven, or from that to twelve o'clock—I had not been drinking with anybody—I drink nothing but tea—I guess I cannot get tea at the Globe and Friends—I was not there many minutes looking for my husband—I was there till between twelve and one o'clock, not till two—I could not get out, and I did not think proper to go home till I had found my husband—I did not see him there—it was a dirty remark that I passed on the woman, and a very simple remark—she was taking something commonly called maggots out of the man's face, and I said to a female, a friend of mine, "I think I should do that at home," that was all—then White used the awful language, and I went to the bar—no one had a poker that I know of—the door was open when I went in and when I went out—I staid till all were out, as I was frightened—I did not find my husband—I saw something shine with which the man was stabbed—it was between a light and a lamp—it looked something like a knife—it was an instrument—it shined like a knife.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Where is the female that you made the dirty remark to? A. She is now, I believe, in trouble for taking something out of a shop—she is in prison—I used to live in Sun-court—I made a mistake before the Magistrate, and said I lived in Sun-court—I had not long moved from Sun-court—it was in Garden-court that the sailor came in by mistake—I made a mistake in the name, the names being so much alike.

COURT. Q. How long do you suppose you were in the public-house? A. It night have been about three quarters of an hour—I staid there expecting my husband would call there, for it is mostly the last house he calls at before he comes home.

NATHANIEL WARD . I am a surgeon. Bridges wae brought to the hospital a little before two o'clock on the Monday morning—he was bleeding profusely from a wound above the left brow, about an inch in extent—at the bottom of the wound in the scalp, a portion of the bone was depressed to about the extent of one-sixth of an inch—there was a fracture of the bone—a portion of it was driven in—there was another wound superficial at the top of the forehead—it was not a cut, merely a bruise; he was perfectly sensible, with the exception of being apparently slightly drowsy—he did not appear to me in liquor—it is difficult in these cases to judge accurately, but he answered rationally to every question that was put to him—he has not quite recovered yet—there is a slight portion of the bone to come away—none has yet come away—I did not consider him in danger, or suppose it would terminate fatally, but in the progress of these cases there always may be danger—this was rather an extraordinary case, there was hardly any symptom indicative of injury to the bone, which generally characterises such injuries—he was in the hospital I think about four or five weeks.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was a blow with a brick-bat put into a handkerchief, calculated to produce what you saw? A. Quite so—it was certainly not a blow that I should attribute to the shining blade of a knife.

DANIEL LYONS (police-constable H 187.) On the 10th of Feb. I was on duty in Morgan-street, Commercial-road, and heard a cry of "Police"—I proceeded to the spot as quick as I could, and saw the prosecutor lying with his face and bosom all over blood—I asked who did it—the

prisoners were pointed out to me as the parties—I took them into custody and took them to the station—I asked White if he did it—he said that Bridges and his party came with a poker towards him, and struck at him, and that Bridges must have received the blow from one of his own party—Wilmot said that he and Bridges were fighting previous to that, in the tap-room of the Globe and Friends.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. How long would it take you to walk from the Globe and Friends to the hospital? A. I should say I could walk it in ten minutes.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Had you been round by the Globe and Friends before? A. Yes—I think it was not quite one o'clock—there was then a great noise, and people being turned out—it was about half an hour after that that I found Bridges lying down—each of the prisoners had a small drop of blood on their forehead when I took them into custody—I saw no bruises or marks of violence on them—I did not examine them.

Witness for the Defence.

WILLIAM LADD . I live in Cross-street, Morgan-street. The Globe and Friends is a corner house in both streets—I never use it, and have no connection with either of the parties—between one and two o'clock I was in bed, and heard a noise, which caused me to open my window and look out—I saw Lyons, the policeman, and the pot-boy, having a row together—the pot-boy said that either White or Wilmot had struck him in the mouth with a stone in a handkerchief—Lyons said, "I saw nothing of it, I will have nothing to do with it"—Hinds said directly, "I will make you, I will force you"—they got nearly to high words—the policeman then left—all was quiet for three quarters of an hour after that—I laid down again—I heard a noise down the streets, "Here the b—s are! here the b—s are!"—I heard Hinds whistling, and Bridges was singing, "Tol de rol lol," and with them about twelve or fourteen wh—, or more—I saw them run right down the street—Hinds had a poker in his hand, and Bridges was on the right side of him—Wilmot and White at that time were at the door of Mr. Whitfield's house, I believe—I do not know whether they live there—they were all strangers to me—I saw Bridges rush up against the door as if to burst it open—it was nearly closed—he got in between the door as it was closing—the pot-boy came up with the poker, and struck three or four heavy blows at the door, and I heard Bridges halloo out, "I am cut"—with that the pot-boy ran away with the poker to the Globe and Friends—Bridges came staggering out into the road, and one of the girls caught him in her arms, and dragged him opposite my house—he cried, "I am faint, go fetch a doctor"—they then took him round the corner, leaving four or five girls in the road—the prisoners tried to escape into the house—they got as far as the passage, and the mob rushed up together into the house—it appeared to me as if the prisoners were trying to close the door against the people outside—the pot-boy was near to Bridges when he made the blows at the door with the poker, and I am sure some of the blows hit Bridges, for the blood was on the outside of the door, which shows it was done from the outside—a person named Lazarus, who lives next door to me, put his foot to the door to try to stop it from being closed—he cried, "Police," and sprung a rattle, which caused the policeman to come.

COURT. Q. Where was Lazarus? A. Among the mob—the policeman gave him the rattle to spring—when they had been singing out "Murder" for some time, he took toe rattle from the policeman, and sprung away for about five minutes.

MR. PAYNE. Q. I believe you were examined by the Magistrate on the 10th of Feb.? A. Yes—I attended all the examinations but the last, when I was very busily engaged with the captain of a ship, who said I must not leave on any account—I was not bound over.

COURT. Q. What business do you follow? A. I am a scraper—I cut a ship bright for the government surveyors to survey her—I was doing one for the Rev. Mr. Irving—I work for any ship owner, to scrape the outside or inside of a ship, to show her planks and quality—I know none of these people—I go in doors and out, and never speak to one at them; but when the policeman asked me to give my statement, two men came from the public-house and said, "I say, old fellow, you had better not speak to the policeman anything about it, for if you do that ntgit-cap shall not be on your head an hour alive"—the Globe and Friends is a noted house; a den of thieves and girls of the town—the policeman said, "What, are you frightened at those white-livered ghosts?"—I said no I was not if there was a dozen of them.


7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-813
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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813. THOMAS BRANCH was indicted for stealing 7 3/4lbs. weight of whalebone, value 23s., the goods of William Norville and another.

GEORGE CARBY . I am errand-boy to William Norville and Son, No. 40, Cornhil. On the 3rd of April, between eight and nine o'clock in the morning, the prisoner was taking the dust from the cellar—he was emptying a basket of dust into his cart, and I saw him pull some whalebone from under his basket and put it into the cart—I said, "You have taken that bone from down stairs"—he made no reply, but came down the ladder—I spoke to him again, and he said he had only taken a piece or two to make a whip—he followed me down stairs and took another basket of dust—I saw a lot of whalebone in another basket ready to be taken away—I insisted on having it—the other man who was with him gave it to me—I insisted upon having what he had in the cart—the prisoner went up and brought down some—I said that was not all—he went up and brought bone from the cart two or three times—while I went to the back of the cellar they went up and set off with the cart—I informed my master, who sent me after them—I overtook them in Bishopsgate-street—they would not return at first, but did after a good deal of talking—the other absconded at the Flower Pot.

Prisoner. I did not know anything about it; directly I saw what was in the basket I brought it down, and told my mate to put it where he took it from.

GEORGE CARBY , re-examined. I saw the prisoner put it into the cart—this is all he took—it is worth 23s.

GUILTY. Aged 26.—Recommended to mercy. Confined Three Months.

OLD COURT.—Thursday, April 10th, 1845.

Fourth Jury, before Edward Bullock, Esq.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-814
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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814. JOHN CLAVERIE was indicted for feloniously and knowingly uttering a forged receipt for 11s. 1d., with intent to defraud Charles William Hargrave and another, and that he had been before convicted of felony.

CHARLES WILLIAM HARGRAVE . I live in Wood-street, Cheapside, and am in partnership with John Hargrave. We make umbrellas—on the 15th of March the prisoner came to me and asked for Brewer's account—I returned him the account, and told him there was a mistake, and that it had been mentioned when the account was left—he said he would take it to his master and get it altered—he brought it back altered to 11s. 1d., and as it is now receipted—my brother was present, and gave him 11s., saying he had no halfpence—he had been in the habit of coming from Mr. Brewer, and had brought the bill with the goods on the 24th of Feb.

JANE BREWER . I am the wife of Thomas Brewer, a tin-plate worker. The prisoner was five months in his employ—I discharged him on the 14th of March—he was not in our employ on the 15th, and had no authority to receive this money—the top part of this bill is my husband's writing, but the alteration and signature is not his—I have seen the prisoner write, and believe it to be his.

Prisoner's Defence. I know nothing of it.

EDMUND WHITE . I produce a certificate of the prisoner's conviction—(read—"Convicted the 10th of June, 1844, by the name of Gibson, and confined three months")—I know him to be the person.

GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Two Years.

Before Mr. Justice Coltman.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-815
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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815. JOHN WELLS was indicted for obtaining various sums of money, from different persons, by false pretences.


Before Mr. Justice Coleridge.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-816
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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816. JOSEPH BRADSHAW was indicted for stealing, on the 20th of Feb., 2 1/2 yards of kerseymere, value 17s. 6d.; 2 1/2 yards of doeskin, 18s. 6d.; 2 1/2 yards of brown duck, 9s. 4d.; 1 5/8 yards of woollen cloth, 22s. 6d.; 5 yards of tweed, 22s. 6d.; 1 3/8 yards of satin, 13s. 9d.; and 2 1/2 yards of white drill, 6s. 10d., the goods of Henry George Hill and another, his masters.

MR. HILL conducted the Prosecution.

SIMON BLENKIRON . I am in the service of Mills and Hill, woollen-drapers, St. Martin's-lane. The prisoner was in their service for five or six months—on the 28th of Feb., in consequnce of something occurring, an order was given that the boxes of the young men should be searched—I searched the prisoner's box, in his presence, and found several lengths of cloth—he took them out himself—I inquired where he got them—he said they were supplied to him by his brother—the property was shown to Mr. Mills.

THOMAS MILLS . I am in partnership with Henry George Hill—I saw the lengths of cloth within ten minutes after they were found—here is two yards and a half of black kerseymere, a length of doe-skin, one of superfine black cloth, one of Shepherd's plaid tweed, a pair of trowsers made up from

the same piece, one yard and three quarters of black satin for waistcoats, two yards and a half of white drill, two yards and a half of brown Russia duck, a length of striped quilting, and a length of white Marseilles waist-coating—(looking at the articles)—I know this black doe-skin—I missed it from the stock three days before the search—it is a remnant, and was kept with the remnants—we missed it before he was taken—I have no mark on it, but know it by the make—I have not the least doubt of it being ours—I know this plaid—we had some of it in stock, and missed five yards of it about a month before the prisoner was taken—inquiry was made about it, but we could not find it—I have compared these trowsers with the plaid—they are precisely the same—I am sure the plaid is our property—this brown duck I will not positively swear to, but we had such a length, and found it gone—I can swear to this white quilting—we had some precisely the same in the shop—it was safe certainly a month before the prisoner was taken—there is no mark on it—it is impossible to swear to these other things—we had such cloths, but the list is taken from them, so that it is impossible for any one to own them—being black, the list is the only thing we could swear to them by—this satin has the white selvidge cut from it—we had such in our stock.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Had you a person in your service named Lambert at the time the cloth was missed? A. We had—he is no relative or connection of ours—we discharged him the same day as the prisoner was given in charge—he did not say he had given the prisoner the tweed—all the young men's boxes were searched—it was a voluntary act of their own—Blenkiron suggested it—I will swear Lambert did not give me any account of the tweed, not that I am aware of—I cannot remember such a thing—I never stated that he had—I was asked several questions by a solicitor at Bow-street—I have no recollection whatever of being required to produce Lambert at this trial, or I should have done so undoubtedly—I cannot remember the Magistrate requesting me to do so—if he did, he was present in Court, no doubt, at the time—he was not brought forward as a witness—Iam not prepared to swear the Magistrate did not request him to be produced, but I have no recollection of it—I missed the doe-skin myself, it might be the day before, or two days before the prisoner was taken—it was safe in stock three days before, I will swear—it precisely corresponds, in substance, and colour, and the list, (which is not disfigured,) with the piece we had safe—I do not know who made it, or whom I bought it of—it might have been in stock six months—I knew the prisoner had a brother in the same trade, who failed, at the west-end of the town—I know nothing of his living in Basinghall-street—I am not aware that the prisoner kept a book called the "Premium List"—we allow our young men premiums on remnants, but there is no book kept—it is merely the tickets.

Q. Have not you had notice to produce a book in which appears the sale of this very piece of doe-skin? A. I had notice last evening, late, and had no idea I should have been called on this morning, and have forgotten it—it can be produced in half an hour—we have an assistant named Sabacker—when I stated that the doe-skin was missing he did not point out to me that it had been sold, and show me a book, or say anything to me about it that I am aware of—a variety of things pass in business which it is impossible to remember—I did not remember anything of the kind—it may have happened and I forget it—this remnant which I have, enabled me to identify the waistcoats—this was cut off the piece when it first came into the stock—it

is not likely that I cut it, or saw it done—I know it corresponds with the waistcoats—I brought it myself from the drawer the patterns are kept in—here is our mark on the piece of goods at the time it came in, and this remnant, it appears, is the last of the piece—it corresponds exactly in quality, and if not cut from the same piece it could not—it would be a great chance—I speak to it from the exact similarity—it is white quilting—every draper keeps the article—we have a great many pieces of quilting.

MR. HILL. Q. Had you any remnant of white quilting except the one you saw safe a month before? A. No other—I think I should recollect if Sabacker had said the doe-skin was sold—I have no reason for keeping Lambert away.

COURT. Q. Do you know where he is now? A. No, but I could have detained him at the time—when the quilting came, we cut off a strip like this—we have other patterns in the drawer, but if the piece had been sold the pattern would be thrown away—this corresponds with the waistcoats and is marked with the same price as the remnant missing.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Did you tell the prisoner if he would confess you would not prosecute him? A. Not that I am aware of—I have no remembrance of saying anything of the kind, or of his saying, "I had the goods from my brother, as I said from the beginning," and refuse to confess.

JOHN RICHARD SABACKER . I am in Mr. Mills's employ—I remember, about Christmas, the prisoner showing me a remnant of white quilting at a public-house—he said he got it from hit brother, who he told me previously lived in Basinghall-street—he said a tailor could make two waistcoats of it, would I buy half of it of him, which I agreed to—he took it to the tailor's—I did not accompany him—these waiscoats are made of the same quilting—this one, I know by the quality, was made of the material I purchased—I tried it on—it did not fit me—I sent it back to the tailor to hate it altered, and did not have it again.

Cross-examined. Q. This was about Christmas, more than two months ago? A. Decidedly—I have seen him wear such tweed trowsers as these in the shop once or twice, not more—I cannot say whether Mr. Mills has been there—it is a common pattern—many people wear it.

SAMUEL POCOCK (policeman.) I took the prisoner on the 1st of March, at Mr. Mills's—at the station I noticed that he had on a white under waistcoat—I believe this to be the same—on the following Saturday I asked him for the white waistcoat he had on when I apprehended him—he said he had sent it to the washerwoman, and told me where to find her—I received it from her.

(Evidence for the Defence.)

JAMES BRADSHAW . I am the prisoner's brother—I am in the same line of business as the prosecutors—in 1842 I carried on business in Marylebone-street, Piccadilly, under the firm of Bradshaw and Williams, and the prisoner was in my service—I was in pecuniary difficulties—about that time he had anything he wanted up to the time of the failure instead of wages—the firm was dissolved in 1842—I have since carried on business by myself—the failure was in 1844—I went to Basinghall-street last Midsummer after the failure in Marylebone-street—he was with me there up to tne commencement of 1844—he was not with me in Basinghall-street.

Q. Look at the goods produced, this piece of black doe-skin? A. It is impossibe to swear to black—I allowed him to have such a piece of doe-skin as this in 1844, (about January)—I should say he had this piece of brown

duck so long ago as 1842—I can speak decidedly, as it is a peculiar make, on the plain system, like a sack which was made peculiarly for us—I think he had one or two white pieces—and from the quality, which is the only thing I can go by, I being so familiar with them—it was like this—he had it in 1842—he had a piece of black satin in Jan. or Feb. 1844, but there is nothing in this to identify it.

MR. HILL. Q. Are you able to recollect the time you gave him the articles? A. I recollect distinctly, from the time he wanted his wages—I was not able to pay him—I made no memorandum of it—they were all had nearly at the same time, Jan. or Feb. 1844—I owed him about 12l.—he had been five years with me—there was no account between us except the 12l.—I had paid him in money and goods before—I kept an account of it sometimes—I have been a bankrupt, and my books are gone—I did not enter the articles he received—it was a private matter—I do not swear to one of these articles—there is not a mark on them—he had the brown duck in 1842, at the time of our dissolution—he selected the things most useful to him—some were remnants—I think the doe-skin was cut off a piece, as a remnant would have no fag to it—we do not call two yards and a half a remnant, as it is a proper length for trowsers—a piece is forty yards—he lodged with Mrs. Ball, my sister—I am now in business—I have not obtained my certificate—I have applied to the Court about it—I was not refused—I was a bankrupt last year, in April—he had the brown duck with my partner's consent—Bradshaw and Williams were bankrupts, and I have been bankrupt since—we obtained our certificate immediately.

SAMUEL BRADSHAW . I am the younger brother of the last witness. The prisoner went into the prosecutor's service in Sept—I think I saw such a piece of doe-skin as this in his possession before that, when he lived with my sister, in Queen's-terrace, Chelsea—I have seen such quilting as these waistcoats are made of in his possession.

MR. HILL. Q. How came you to see the doe-skin? A. He had it showing to a friend from Manchester—he was selling him a waistcoat or something—he produced some black and blue cloth, light waistcoats, three or four trowser lengths, and five or six waistcoats—there was a pretty good heap of them—I could not swear to plain black if it was out of my sight five minutes—he had two yards and a half of black doe-skin in the summer of 1844, at Chelsea—I had it in my hands several times—I did not measure it, but could tell by handling it pretty well—a remnant of quilting was produced at the same time—it was not sufficient for two waistcoats unless made very sparingly—I am a draper in my brother's service, in Basinghall-street—the business is in my name at present—I have been of age two years, and am carrying it on for my brother—my name is over the door.

ELIZABETH BALL . I am the wife of John Ball; in Dec. last I lived in Queen's-terrace, Chelsea. The prisoner resided in my house before he went into the prosecutor's service—I saw in his possession a remnant of black satin, some white quilting, and goods of that sort—there was such a piece of doe-skin as this—I kept them in a drawer for him till he went to the prosecutor's—he had several pieces of different kinds of goods—in Dec. after he went to the prosecutor's, I sent the white quilting to him by my husband.

MR. HILL. Q. Do you recollect when you had the white quilting from him? A. He had it long before he went to the prosecutor's—he

brought the articles to me when he left his brother's service, the beginning of last year, all at the same time—I did not take a list of them.

JOHN BALL . In Dec. last my wife gave me a parcel to leave for the prisoner in Vigo-street—he called for it in the evening.

JOHN M'LEAN . I am a tailor, and live in Wych-street. In the autumn of 1842 the prisoner brought me two pieces of white drill and brown duck to make him trowsers—he was measured, but I made him another pair and he took the drill and duck back, saying he would have them made up another time—these are the same colour.

JOHN RUSSELL . I am a tailor, in Sackville-street. I lodged at Ball's for nine months—the prisoner lodged there—in Jan. 1844, a friend of mine was about to have new clothes, and the prisoner produced a lot of goods to him on the parlour table, there was cloth, kerseymere, summer trowsers, waistcoat-pieces, and various articles—it was long before he went to the prosecutor's—I have a faint recollection of this white quilting.

(The prisoner received a good character.)


7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-817
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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817. JOSEPH BRADSHAW was again indicted for stealing, on the 23rd of Jan., 2 yards of woollen cloth, value 30s., the goods of Henry George Hill and another, his masters.

WILLIAM POCOCK . On searching the prisoner's box, on the 1st of March, I found two duplicates; one is for a piece of cloth pawned on the 23rd of Jan., for 12s., in the name of John Smith, No. 10, Marylebone-street.

HENRY ATKINS . I am shopman to Mr. Young, pawnbroker, Princes-street, Leicester-square. I produce two yards of blue cloth pawned on the 23rd of Jan., 1845, by a man whom I do not know—this is the duplicate I gave for it.

Cross-examined by MR. BODKIN. Q. Is the other a duplicate issued by your house? A. Yes—it is dated the 7th of Dec, 1844, and is a renewal of a former pledge—it is for cloth which had been in our possession twelve or fourteen months—I have that cloth at home—it is not what the first ticket refers to.

SIMON BLENKIRON . I am the prosecutor's foreman. I can swear to this blue cloth—I have seen it in master's warehouse, and missed it about three weeks before the prisoner was taken up—I have the charge of the cloth—I had been in the country, and when I returned, this cloth was missing—I cannot say when I had seen it, but, as near as I can tell here was a long length of it early in Jan.—it was in its usual place on the shelf.

Q. Point out any mark on it? A. I can only point out the very peculiar make—it is a very heavy stout cloth, which I have been in the habit of showing from week to week to customers—I was aware it had been reduced to a short length; I did not know what, but I believed about two yards—I speak to it by the weight and general appearance; it has a peculiar list, and it is a peculiar cloth rather—I made inquiry about it on missing it, as near as I can tell, three weeks or a month before the prisoner was taken—I inquired of the shopmen generally, but of no particular one—I cannot say whether the prisoner was present; his department was up stairs.

Cross-examined. Q. What is the maker's name? A. I cannot say—I have no private mark on it—it is a peculiar cloth at the price, 16s. a yard.

MR. BODKIN called

JAMES BRADSHAW . I am the prisoner's brother. I know this piece of blue cloth, so as to speak to it positively—the prisoner had it from my hands a year and a half ago, when he was In my service, to send to my father, in Ireland, for a coat—he asked my permission afterwards to exchange it for an olive he had of his own, as he should prefer the blue coat himself—I consented, and he sent the olive to my father—the cloth was a remnant, and, being in business, I had placed it to my own account—I do not know the maker's name, we buy them in town.

MR. HILL. Q. Can you tell from whom you received it? A. Only by my books, which are with the official assignee—I should say it was bought of Woods, in Basinghall-street—he has since become bankrupt—I do not think I have seen this cloth since I gave it to my brother—it was a remnant—I gave it him in Aug. or Sept., 1843—I know it was the latter part of the summer—I had a letter from my father at the time, to send him a suit of clothes—I became bankrupt in April, 1844—I left Marylebone-street last Dec, and after that my brother commenced business in Basinghall-street, under my direction, which is carried on to the present time—I speak to the cloth from recollecting it as a remnant—there is No. 11270 on it, and by reference to the book, I could tell tne number of the cloth I sold him.

SAMUEL BRADSHAW . I am the prisoner's younger brother—I saw some blue cloth in his possession during last summer, frequently—it was cut off for my father—I was told so a month of two after the prisoner had it.

MR. HILL. Q. You first saw it in the summer of 1844? A. Yes, and previously to that, in June, July, and August—I saw it at my sister's at Chelsea—I saw it first at No. 13, Marylebone-street, the latter end of 1843, in Nov., Dec., or Oct.

ELIZABETH BALL . I live in Queen's-terrace; Chelsea—the prisoner lodged there from the beginning of Jan. till Sept., 1844—while there I often saw this cloth—it was in my drawer some time, and I saw it on the parlour table.

MR. HILL. Q. How can you remember that particular piece? A. I do not swear to it—it is very much like the colour—he said he had it cut off to send to his father; but he sent a brown piece instead, as he thought that it would be serviceable to himself—I first saw it a little time after he left his brother, which was in Jan., 1844.

COURT to S. BLENKIRON. Q. What is there particular in the list? A. It is yellow; but we have no blue cloth with yellow list—I had seen it on the counter a few days before the 1st March.


Before Mr. Justice Coltman.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-818
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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818. JAMES FORREST was indicted for stealing, on the 15th of March, 39 yards of doe-skin, value 13l.; the goods of Samuel Balsden, in his dwelling-house.

SAMUEL BALSDEN . I am a tailor, and live in Oxford-street. On Saturday morning, the 15th of March, about a quarter to eight o'clock, I was next door, and received information, I went to my shop, and missed thirty-nine yards of doe-skin, which I had seen not five minutes before standing by the wall, above the counter of the shop—I had left my errand-boy there—I went down Portman-street, up Bryanstone-street,

and in the door-way of No. 4, I saw the prisoner in the act of putting it into a bag, or putting a wrapper over it—I saw what it was, and said, "You are the thief who stole my cloth"—he said "Yes, I am"—I tried to catch hold of him, but having slippers on, I missed him—he went down Bryanston-street—I followed him directly, calling "Stop thief!"—he began calling "Stop thief!" also—he was stopped near the corner of Lower Berkeley-street and Portman-square—I never lost sight of him an instant—he was given into custody—I left the cloth where it was—it was brought to the station.

HENRY EVANS . On the 15th of March my master left me in the shop, and as I was taking down the shutters, a young man came and asked if I knew of a porter's place—while I turned my back he had got the roll of cloth from the middle of the shop, and put it in front of the window outside—I went to call master, returned with him, and saw the same young man with the cloth under his arm, and a wrapper thrown over it—he went towards Portman-street—master went after him and I followed—when master called "Stop thief!" he called also—I saw him stopped, and am quite sure the prisoner is the man.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Were you examined before the Magistrate? A. No—another young man came into the shop, after the cloth was taken, and asked for 2d. worth of list, just before I went to fetch master—the prisoner was stopped two streets from our shop—he had come back and run round the square—master stumbled and fell, as he had slippers on—I was about twenty yards off when the prisoner was stopped.

HENRY PUTTOCK . I am a fishmonger. On the morning of the 15th of March, about quarter to eight o'clock, I found the cloth, with a wrapper round it, at the doorway of No. 34, Bryanstone-street—I had met the prisoner in custody two minutes before, at the corner of Oxford-street and Portman-street—I took the cloth to the station.

WILLIAM WALKER (police-constable.) I heard a cry of "Stop thief," and went in pursuit—when I came up, I found the prisoner in custody, and took him to the station—I received the cloth from Puttock.

MR. BALSDEN. This is my cloth.

Cross-examined. Q. What do you call it? A. Doe-skin—I never called it buck-skin—my house is nearly opposite Portman-street.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 26.— Confined Nine Months.

Before Mr. Justice Coleridge.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-819
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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819. ANN PENDRY was charged, on the Coroner's Inquisition, with the wilful murder of her female child.

In this case the Grand Jury ignored the bill, and the surgeon stating that the death might have been occasioned without any act of the prisoner's, she was


OLD COURT.—Friday, April 11th, 1845.

First Jury, before Edward Bullock, Esq.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-820
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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820. WILLIAM HAYES was indicted for stealing 1 handkerchief, value 2s. 5d., the goods of Vere Joseph Clewer, from his person; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Six Months.

Before Mr. Justice Coleridge.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-821
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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821. THOMAS HENRY HOCKER was indicted for the wilful murder of James De la Rue; he was also charged on the Coroner's Inquisition with the like murder.

MESSRS. BODKIN and CHAMBERS conducted the Prosecution.

EDWARD HILTON . I am a baker, and live at West-end, Hampstead. On Friday night, the 21st of Feb., I was out on my business—I was at Haverstock-terrace, from ten minutes to a quarter past seven o'clock—I had to deliver something at No. 6, Mr. Beckwell's—I got out of my cart to deliver a peck of bran, I pulled the bell, and I heard the scream of "Murder" several times—it appeared to come across Haverstock-fields, from the corner of the dead-wall that runs down to Bellsize-lane—I afterwards saw the place where the body was found—the cry of "Murder" appeared to come from that very spot—I heard it from six to eight times, perhaps more than that—I cannot say exactly—I delivered my bread and bran, and took my money for what I delivered—the cry ceased before I took the bread in—I took the bran in first—the servant opened the door, and I gave her the bran—I heard the last of the cry when I put the peck of bran in at the door—I heard it from the beginning to the end, about four minutes—after I had delivered the bread and bran, I went into the field, and to the close gate—I cried, "Halloo! halloo!" several times—I heard nothing—I directly went to look for a constable, as it was dreadful to heat the screams—I found one at the bottom of the terrace, in the Hampstead-road—I told him to go and search the fields as soon as possible—he took to his heels, and ran into the fields.

JOHN BALDOCK (police-constable S 304.) I was on duty Friday, the 21st of Feb., near Hampstead—I saw Mr. Hilton about ten minutes or a quarter past seven o'clock—in consequence of what he told me, I proceeded up Haverstock-terrace to the field at the end of it—I went across the field to the first point of the wall—I did not proceed further that way then—I saw and heard nothing—I then went down the narrow passage, which brought me into Bellsize-lane, and then turning to the right, I got into the Hampstead-road again, opposite the George—near the George I met Sergeant Fletcher—he and I went together up Haverstock-terrace again, and into the same field—we went across the field, then to the end of the wall, and then came down the wall, and in the bottom corner of the wall found a dead body—I looked at no watch—I think about half an hour elapsed, from the time Hilton made the communication to me, till I got to the place where the dead body was found—the body was afterwards removed to the Yorkshire Grey—that was the body on which the inquest was held—when I first found the deceased he laid flat on his back—he had on a great coat as well as a close coat, and they were both wide open—his right-hand glove was off, and was lying towards his feet, with some blood on it—I also found a hat, lying at some little distance, with a pocket handkerchief in it—the body was warm when I got up, but quite dead—the injuries appeared to be on the head—there was a pool of blood at his feet and one at his head—I did not search the body before it was removed, I did afterwards—the bosom of his shirt was covered with blood, and his two coats unbuttoned—with that exception, his dress was as persons ordinarily wear it—there

was no watch on his person when I saw him in the fields, nor when I searched him afterwards, or any money—I found a letter in his coat pocket—I handed it over to the inspector, Mr. Gray—after the discovery of the body, Fletcher went away to get assistance, leaving me there alone—he went away about three or four minutes after we got up to the body as soon as we had ascertained it was the dead body of a man—he was gone about half an hour—about a quarter of an hour after he was gone, a person joined me—he came in a direction from Primrose-hill—he came in a direction from the Avenue-road—there are footpaths across these fields in many directions about there, by which persons can go into the Avenue-road, or come out of it—my attention was called to him before he came up to me, by his whistling and singing—when he came up, I sung out, "Halloo, Sir"—he said, "Halloo, policeman"—I said, "I have a serioua case here before me"—he said, "What is it?"—I said, "A dead man, who I think has cut his throat"—he said, "Are you sure he is quite dead?"—I said he was quite dead, for I had felt his pulse, and it did not beat at all—he stooped down and felt the pulse of the dead man—he did not kneel, he merely stooped down—he said, "You have a nasty job here alone, policeman"—I said they were gone for the stretcher, and I dare say they would soon be back—he then said he bad been in the habit of travelling that way for the last two years, from town, that he transacted business in town, and he generally had a great deal of property about him when he came that way of a night, such as a watch and a gold ring, which he said he generally wore on his ringer—he said he never saw any danger in coming that way, but that he had been cautioned by his parents not to come that way home of a night—he then asked me if I would have some brandy—I said I would rather not—he said, "You have a cold job here, and I am sure you will want something to drink after it"—he then took a shilling from his pocket, and offered me it to get something to drink after I had done—I refused it two or three times, but being pressed, I took it—soon after that, persons came with the stretcher—I had no light with me while I was waiting there—one was brought with the stretcher—it was an ordinary lantern, carried by a policeman—it was turned on the body, and on the face of the deceased—the man I have been speaking of was standing by at that time—the body was then placed on the stretcher, and taken away to Hampstead—we went down the passage, and into Bellsize-lane—the person of whom I have spoken, followed as far as that—I then lost sight of him—he had on a cloak or macintosh, I could not say which—I cannot say who that man was—he was muffled up a great deal, and it was very dark, and I could not identify him again—he was a young man, about five feet eight in height, or thereabout.

COURT. Q. By being muffled up, do you mean that he had anything over any part of his face? A. Yes—I think it was the collar of the macintosh, or a handkerchief—I will not be certain which.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. What means had you of knowing the time? A. Because I saw the clock of the George public-house ouly a few minutes before—I could see it as I passed by—I saw it before I went into the field first, and after I came out—it was a few minutes past seven o'clock before I went into the field first, and when I came out at last it was a few minutes past eight—it was about seven when I first saw the clock—I had to go down the road and back again, and when I went first

into the field, I should say it was ten minutes past seven—I saw the same clock on both occasions—the man that came up to me, when I told him the man was dead, and I had felt his pulse, went up to the body, and took hold of the hand—I do not know that he said, "As you are left alone, I will wait with you till the stretcher comes"—he said I had a nasty job—I believe he did say, "I will stay with you till the stretcher comes, for you are left alone"—he did not shed tears—he said he felt rather queer at the sight—he said he felt very much shocked at seeing such a sight—he remained with me till the stretcher came—perhaps he stopped a quarter of an hour—there were four policemen came with the stretcher, and several other people—I cannot say how many—there were not so many as fifteen or twenty people at first—when we were going along with the stretcher, I should say there were nearly fifteen or twenty people there—I should say there were as many as fifteen, and more came after a minute or two—I have been examined more than once on this occasion—I was examined before the Coroner before I was examined before the Magistrate—I did not give the same account the second time before the Magistrate as I did the first time, and before the Coroner—I gave something different then, about the shilling.

Q. Was it contrary to your duty to have received any money under any circumstances? A. We can receive it, but we are obliged to report it—it was not for the purpose of concealing that fact that I said nothing about it—I quite forgot the shilling—I did not go to Pond-street, to any public-house, or other house, for the purpose of making inquiries.

Q. Did you see any other persons, either on your way to or from the George, until the sergeant went with you to the spot where you found the dead body? A. Yes, I saw a gentleman before I saw the sergeant—I saw that gentleman in Haverstock-terrace the first time I went into the field—I stopped that gentleman—I have not seen him here to-day—he was coming in a direction into the Hampstead-road—that was not above three minutes after I had received an intimation that there was an alarm given.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Do you know whether that gentleman who spoke to you lives in one of the houses in Haverstock-terrace? A. He does—his name is Kellburn—I will not be sure which house he lives in, but I think it is No. 4—I did not know him before—he told me that he lived in one of the houses—he was in Haverstock-terrace when I first saw him, on the side where the houses are—I did not see where he came from—I had some conversation with him—it was about three minutes after Hilton had spoken to me that I saw the gentleman—he returned with me into the field, and accompanied me all the way across the field to the first angle of the wall—I did not see or hear any thing there—the gentleman then came through the passage with me and went round—he parted from me opposite the George, before I met sergeant Fletcher—he then went down Pond-street—I saw that gentleman afterwards at the Coroner's inquest—I reported to Fletcher directly that I had seen the gentleman.

EDWARD HILTON re-examined. It was from ten minutes to a quarter past seven o'clock when I was delivering the things at No. 6.—I know the time, because I could see it from house to house, and from customer to customer—I do not exactly say I saw the time then, but I saw it just before and after—I saw baker's clocks and different places—there are always plenty of clocks to be seen as you pass on.

THOMAS FLETCHER (police-sergeant S 24.) I was called by Baldock on the

Friday evening, and went with him to the field, and saw the dead body—I just touched the body—I had no lantern at first—I examined the body of the deceased—he was dressed in a great coat, and an under coat—they were both open, so as to expose the waistcoat and shirt front—he was lying straight on his back—a walking-stick was lying on his left side, which Baldock has got—(a stick was here produced by Baldock)—this is the stick—there was a glove on the left hand—his right glove laid towards his feet—there was a great deal of blood on his shirt front—I took possession of some pieces of waste paper that were found in his left hand trowsers pocket—they are not at all connected with the circumstances of the case—I found no property upon him—I could not see anything at all nothing like a guard or watch—his great coat was wrenched open—it was a kind of misty moonlight night—I did not examine his pockets at that time—I went to procure a stretcher, and helped to carry the body to the dead-house by the Yorkshire Grey.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Were you at Pond-street that night at all? A. No, I was not, nor the following day—I made no inquiries in the neighbouring public-house about this matter—I went to no public-house in Pond-street—I am positive of it.

JAMES GRAY (police-inspector S.) I was stationed at Hampstead at the time this matter occurred. A communication was made to me by Fletcher on the night of the 21st of Feb., about ten minutes past eight o'clock—I was then at the station—the body was brought up to the Yorkshire Grey-yard—I produce a letter which I received from Mr. Perry, the surgeon—it was handed to him by Baldock, who was searching the body in a house in the Yorkshire Grey-yard, where the body was placed—I did not see the letter taken from the deceased's pocket—I afterwards proceeded to the spot where I understood the body was brought from—I found nothing material that night—I went again between six and seven o'clock next morning with a constable named Thomas—I produce the button of a coat which was found by Thomas, as he stated to me at the time—he spoke of it on the spot, but gave it me at the station—I said, "Keep it till you get to the station"—I did not see it there at all—he handed it over to me at the station—I knew the deceased's brother, Mr. Daniel De la Rue—I saw him on the Sunday previous to the inquest at his brother's lodgings—I pointed out to him the body of the person that had been removed from the field.

WILLIAM SATTERTHWAITE . I live in East-street, Hampstead. I was not examined either before the Magistrate or the Coroner—on Friday night, the 21st of Feb., I went with the police to the field where the body was, at the time when the stretcher went there—I ran forward, and found Baldock and another person with the body—I should know that person again—that is the person—(pointing to the prisoner)—several other persons came up immediately—the prisoner was standing towards the feet of the deceased, who lay on the ground—I went up to the prisoner, and said to him, "Is the person quite dead?"—he said, "Yes, he is quite dead; I have felt his pulse, and it has ceased beating"—I said, "Were you not frightened?"—he replied, "No, but as I was getting over the stile, the policeman put his hand on my shoulder, and said, 'There is a dead man;' at which I staggered back, and said, 'What!—what!' and seemed frightened; and I saw the constable was much agitated"—I said, "Dear me, it was enough to frighten you"—they then

put the corpse on the stretcher, and as we were proceeding along the field, I said to a young man who accompanied me down there, "Do you know who the deceased puts me in mind of?"—(the prisoner came up while I was speaking, and heard what I said)—he said, "No, I do not—who?"—I said, "Of George Ward"—he said, "I thought so myself; but it is not him"—Hocker then came up to me and said, "Pray, sir, who might that be; and what is he?"—I said, "He is a boot and shoemaker; it is very much like him, and his dress too"—Hocker said, "It is not him; he is quite the gentleman; he has a beautiful white hand; and his dress is that of one"—before I made the observation about his being like Ward, I had seen the deceased's face from the light which was turned on the face before he was put on the stretcher—that gave me a clear view of his face—Hocker was toward the deceased's feet when the light was turned on the face—he had every opportunity of seeing his face—as we were going along with the stretcher, I said to Hocker, "I beg your pardon; but what might have caused you to come that lonesome way?"—he replied, "If you must know, sir, I was coming from St. John's Wood to Hampstead, which you must know is the nighest way"—he said, he ought to have been in Hampstead a little after eight o'clock an very important business; but under these circumstances he could not help it—when we arrived at the gate leading to Bellsize-lane, I took the lamp from one of the policemen, and the body was lifted over the gate—the face could not then be seen by the light of the lamp—I saw the last of the prisoner in the Conduit-field, as it is called—it is the fifth field from where the body was found, on the Hampstead side of Bellsize-lane—in Bellsize-lane the prisoner asked me to let him have a light—I could not open the lamp, and he showed me how to open it—he lighted his cigar from the lamp—I had then an opportunity of seeing his features, because the light was on his face—I then went on homewards.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Where do you live? A. In East-street, Hampstead—I lived there on the night of the murder, and have continued to live there ever since—I know most of the police on the district; but only two of them that went down that night—I am a journeyman shoemaker—I work for Mr. Ashington in East-street, Hampstead, and have done so for seven years come next Nov.—I work for myself occasionally, if I have a little job for my relations I do it—I am not a house-keeper—I have been a lodger for five years in one house—I am married, and have three children—I did not see any of the police again till the Monday night—I then saw Baldock, facing Haverstock-terrace, in the Hampstead-road—he is the same man who had been present while I and the prisoner were talking together—Baldock and the prisoner were close together at the time I had the conversation with the prisoner—the prisoner was not a personal acquaintance or friend of mine—I had never conversed with him before that night, to my knowledge—he was the only person I talked to coming through the field—the Coroner held an inquest on the body on the Wednesday, I believe, at the Yorkshire Grey, at Hampstead; that is within 150 yards of East-street, I should say—I work at home—I believe there were three examinations before the Coroner—I did not attend any—Baldock did not come to fetch me, or else I should undoubtedly have gone—I read the examinations before Mr. Rawlinson, the Magistrate, in the papers—I was at home in East-street—it did not strike

me at that time that what I had heard was material—I have not changed my opinion since then.

Q. Then you are surprised that you should have been brought here to-day? A. I am not at all surprised—I read in the paper that Hocker had made an acknowledgment that he was with the body in the field, which caused me to come forward.

Q. Then if Hocker had not made any acknowledgment of his having come from the field you would not have come forward? A. I saw no occasion—I came forward when I read the statement in the paper—that was on the Sunday after the last examination at Marylebone police-court—I went to church on the Sunday morning, and in the evening a person I was in company with had the paper, and read the statement—it was my father—on hearing the statement I took the paper out of his hand, for satisfaction, to see whether it was correct, and I returned the paper to him—I went on the Monday morning to the Marylebone police-court, and made my statement to Mr. Fell, the chief clerk—I did not see it taken down—no one went with me—I did not see anything of Baldock, or any other policeman, before I went to Mr. Fell—I do not believe anybody knew I was going—I made no statement after that till I was taken to Newgate, on the 27th of March—that was on the Thursday after I had seen Mr. Fell—Inspector Gray took me to Newgate—he sent one of the constables for me—I cannot tell his name—he came to my house—a gentleman in the office of the governor of Newgate took down my evidence—that is the gentleman (Mr. Hayward)—the prisoner was not present when my evidence was taken—I was not sworn.

MR. CHAMBERS. Q. Had you been round the prison before you saw that gentleman? A. No—I saw that gentleman first—I saw Hocker after seeing him—I went into the prison and into the yard—I saw Hocker there with from ten to eleven prisoners, or more—I recognised him immediately—Baldock was carrying the corpse when the conversation occurred between me and the prisoner—I do not recollect speaking to Baldock that night—I do not consider he heard what was going on between me and the prisoner.

RICHARD ROGERS PERRY . I am a surgeon, residing at Hampstead, I handed this letter to Gray, the officer—it was taken from the great-coat pocket of the deceased—I was called to see the deceased about a quarter to nine o'clock on Friday evening, the 21st of Feb.—I found him lying at the dead-house attached to the Yorkshire Grey, Hampstead—I found a large wound, about four inches long, on the upper and back part of the head, on the left side there was a smaller one, immediately in front of it; a bruise on the left temple; and a wound on the right eye-brow, from which blood had been oozing—that was all I discovered at that time—I afterwards examined the body, by the Coroner's order—after the head was shaved I discovered two or three more wounds—they were all scalp woonds—the skull was not fractured—on examining the under surface of the scalp, there was a good deal of blood effused, corresponding to the wound I dissovered on the outside—the chief wound was, I should think, about row inches and a half in extent, so that I could introduce three or four fingers—I attribute the death to concussion of the brain, as the consequence of the violence externally to the head—I should imagine, from my exanimation of the wounds after the head was haved, that they were inflicted by some heavy instrument, such as a large stick, or a life-preserver, or any

heavy weapon of a blunt kind—the wounds I observed undoubtedly proceeded from more blows than one.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Is there any other surgeon here to speak as to the result of the post-mortem examination? A. Not that I am aware of—I passed my examination as a surgeon four years since—I have been practising at Hampstead—I attribute the death to concussion of the brain—the brain itself did not present any diseased or unhealthy appearances, but that is by no means uncommon—I saw quite sufficient symptoms to account for the concussion, by the repeated blows on the scalp—there was no fracture of the skull—there was no appearanoe in the brain itself denoting concussion—concussion of the brain, as far as the brain is concerned, very often leaves no appearance of concussion on examination—that was the case here—apart from the injuries on the head, there was no appearance of any disease or derangement of the brain—there was no congestion of the vessels, or anything of that sort.

Q. Then am I right in drawing this conclusion as yours, that finding there were injuries on the head, and that the brain presented a healthy appearance, you concluded that the concussion must have followed from those injuries on the head? A. From the repeated injuries on the head undoubtedly—it is very frequently the case that there are no appearances on the brain to warrant that conclusion—it is very commonly the case—the wounds on the head denoted blows from a heavy instrument, used with very considerable violence undoubtedly—any heavy instrument might do so—I do not think a hammer is a likely weapon to do it—a poker might do it—a heavy club would do it undoubtedly, or a heavy knotted stick—the appearances presented led me to conclude there must have been a great many blows—it need not have taken some time—they might have been repeated very quickly.

Q. But did not the body present appearances from whence you would draw the deduction, that great struggling and resistance had taken place? A. No, I should say not—there did not appear that appearance, of struggling—the clothes were not much disordered, or anything of that kind.

Q. Did not you think the blows had been inflicted with some instrument? if, hard, of no violent character, or, if soft, repeated, inasmuch as there was no fracture of the skull, or anything to denote any injury to the skull itself? A. No, that did not follow by any means—I did not find myself very much puzzled to account for the death—I concluded at once on a careful examination of the scalp, seeing the repeated wounds that had been inflicted, quite sufficient to account for death—I should attribute the concussion to no individual wound, but to the whole wounds taken collectively—I gather concussion must have followed, from the evidence of numeyom blows that had been given, and finding the man was dead.

Q. Have you known concussion follow from the self-struggling and resistance of a man who was engaged in a fight, either with a stick, or anything else? A. Certainly not, without either a fall or a blow—consussion is not likely to follow from any cause but direct violence that I am aware of—I do not believe it would follow from shakes—I have seen three sticks—the largest stick that was shown me might have produced the wounds—it is a large yellow stick—(looking at one)—this now produced is it—this is a stick likely to have caused it—it is a heavy stick—when asked my opinion, I said it was a very likely weapon to have caused it

I have not seen any other likely to have done it—the skull was not beaten in—it was perfect.

Q. Do you think that repeated blows, violently inflicted on the bare skull of a man with such a stick as that, could have been so inflicted without fracturing the skull? A. Yes, I do think so, because it was just on the ridge of the skull—had it been immediately on the top. I think the skull must have been fractured—the blows seemed to have been given in a slanting direction—I think such blows might have been inflicted with such a stick, and produce the appearances I found, without fracturing the skull—I consulted a gentleman of more experience than myself on the subject, a Mr. Davis—he is not here.

MR. BODKIN. Q. That part of the human skull that you have described as the ridge, is, I believe, of great strength? A. It is—the deceased appeared to be about twenty-three or twenty-four years old.

Q. Did you find any appearance at all about the body not consistent with health, except those appearances about the head? A. I only examined the brain—there was a slight mark on the finger, but nothing at all to account for death.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. You did not open the body at all? A. I did not.

JAMES THOMAS (police-constable S 53.) I went to the spot where the body was found, the following morning—I found a button there, not quite a yard from where the body lay—I gave it to inspector Gray—this is the one.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. When did you hand it to Gray? A. On the same morning about nine o'clock—I kept it in my pocket before I gave it to him.

MR. BODKIN. Q. How long had you it in your possession before you gave it to Gray? A. About an hour and three quarters, to the best of my recollection.

GEORGE LOVELEDGE . I am a porter in the service of Mr. Wilgoss, a news-agent, at No. 38, High-street, Portland-town. On Friday evening, the 21st of Sept., I was at the Swiss Cottage public-house in the Avenue-road, and about half-past seven o'clock the prisoner came in to the bar—he passed by me, leading to the parlour—I knew him before—he asked for the parlour two or three times—he had on a cloak or macintosh.

Q. Was there any thing about him which induced you to look at him more than another person? A. Yes—he came in and shoved the door open, and seemed in a flurried state—I had known him about three years—I am sure he is the person.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. When you were before the Magistrate did you remember that the person you saw was in a flurried state? A. Yes—I do not know whether he went into the parlour—he staid about four or five minutes at furthest—I did not notice whether the house was lighted up—I did notice whether the gai lights were burning—it was not dark—being a cold night I went in to have a glass of spirits, as it was after my rounds—I suppose the gas was alight at half-past seven o'clock—I did not take notice of the gas being alight—I did not see any other gentleman in the parlour—I was only at toe bar—I was not in the parlour—I do not know whether the parlour door was open or shut, or whether the parlour was lighted or in darkness—I suppose the bar was lighted with gas at that time.

Q. Do you mean to say that you took so little notice that you do not

know whether you were in the light or in the dark? A. I suppose I was in the gas light—I have no doubt about it, it being half-past seven—it was a dark night and snow on the ground—there certainly was light in the house—it was gas light—I saw a gas light at the end of the bar, and over my bead there were two lights—I do not know whether they were burning brightly—I can swear there was gas burning—I did not take notice to that effect, but can tell by it being that time of night—I know the time, because I left my master's shop about seven o'clock, and it took me full half an hour to go my rounds that way—I did not say that the prisoner had white hands.

RICHARD GRINHAM . I am waiter and pot-boy at the Swiss Cottage—On the Friday night of the murder I recollect a gentleman coming into the parlour at half-past seven o'clock—I do not recollect Loveledge being there—he ordered a glass of rum and water—he gave me a shilling in payment, and desired me to bring a fourpenny-piece, and I was to keep the twopence myself—I was examined before Mr. Rawlinson, the Magistrate, and saw the prisoner there—I believed him not to be the man, and said so.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Upon which the prisoner at once said that he was the man, did he not? A. He did—the bar was lighted that night—we do not burn gas, we burn spirits in the bar, and candles in the parlour—the parlour was lighted that night—there was another gentleman in the parlour—I did not observe the prisoner reading the, newspaper to him—I should say he was in the parlour about six or seven minutes—he was not there half an hour—he was as near a quarter of an hour as could be in the house altogether—I do not suppose I saw him above two or three minutes—I do not generally stay in the parlour—when he was not in the parlour, I dare say he was out of doors—I do not know exactly, I do not watch people—he might have been in my sight about two or three minutes—I did not notice the time—I observed that his hands were very white—I do not know the other gentleman who was in the parlour—there was only the other person there—I might have seen him in the house before—I do not know whether I had or not—I took no notice of him—I did not know him personally—that gentleman remained in the parlour during the whole time the prisoner was drinking the rum and water—I cannot say whether the newspaper was in the parlour—I do not think it was, but I will not be certain—we very often have it in the bar—it is very seldom we have a great many persons in the evening, and mistress takes it in the bar herself—I cannot be certain whether it was in the bar—I cannot say—there was a candle on the table, near to where the man was drinking the rum and water—it was a coldish night—we do not keep a wonderful fire in the winter or summer—we do not have many people there.

MR. CHAMBERS. Q. Did you go and fetch the rum and water immediately the gentleman ordered it? A. I took it to him, received the money for it, and gave the change—it took thirteen or fourteen minutes.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Do you remember whether the gentleman who ordered the rum and water sent you to get the newspaper for him? A. He did not—I cannot say that any body did, but I know the person that had the rum and water did not—it might have been before he came in—I cannot tell whether anybody sent me for it all that time, but I do not think so.

MR. CHAMBERS. Q. Did it take you thirteen or fourteen minutes to serve the gentleman with rum and water? A. Certainly not—he paid me

for it immediately I brought it—the ordering it, getting paid, and getting the change, took, it might be, eight or nine minutes—I saw the gentleman again after that in the parlour—I went in again—I did not see him go out—I recollect very well what I went into the parlour again for, but I do not know that I have any occasion to state it—I know I did go in—the gentlemen were both there then, the gentleman I spoke of before and the prisoner—it was not above two or three minutes afterwards.

JOSEPH HENRY NAISH . I am an harness-maker—at the time in question I lived at 17, Old Church-street, Paddington—I now live at Liverpool—on the evening of the 21st Feb. I had some business in the neighbourhood of St. John's wood—I returned home down Titchbourne-road—that is the road that joins the Avenue-road near the Swiss Cottage—I did not come up the Avenue-road—I came up the same road—I remember meeting a person in the Avenue-road—I had come up the Titchbourne-road, and then turned down the Avenue-road—I was going towards Portland-town, down the Avenue-road—that was in a direction that would lead me to Regent's-park—I was going towards London—I should say I might be 100 yards nearer to London than the Swiss Cottage when I saw the person—to the best of my recollection I should say it was about seven o'clock—I cannot say exactly—before I met the person I heard the cry of "Murder"—I did not hear it more than once, to the best of my recollection—it appeared to proceed from across the field—I afterwards went to the place where the body was found—the cry appeared to me to proceed from that quarter—when I heard the cry I stopped—I may have stopped ten minutes listening—I stood still, and while I was standing still the man came from the hedge side near the field, on the footpath where I was standing—I was standing on the footpath in the main road—he was not on the side from which the cry had proceeded, he was in the main road on the footpath, on the same side that I was—he was going towards Portland-town, the same way that I was—I had not noticed him at all until I saw him close to me—I cannot say whether he came along the road or from the field—there is a little hedge along there—I had seen that person before—it was the prisoner—he was running when I saw him—I asked him whether he heard the cries of "Murder"—he made no answer—he stopped for a moment when I spoke to him—I looked straight at him and he went past and went on—he did not walk and he did not run—it appeared to me like a dog-trot—I did not notice what he had on—it was dark clothes I know, but I could not tell what—I afterwards went to the place where the murder was committed—I should say it was about 200 yards across the fields from where I saw the prisoner, not more—it is about three fields from the spot where I stood—there is no difficulty whatever in a person going from the road across the fields to that spot—there are foot paths.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Where were you when you heard the cries of "Murder?" A. In the Avenue-road—I should say 100 yards below the Swiss Cottage—when I first saw the prisoner he was coming towards me in the high-road, in the direction from the Swiss Cottage, on the foot-path—he was coming at an ambling pace—what I call a dog-trot.

COURT. Q. I understand you to say he was running before he came to you? A. Yes—it was not running or walking when he left me.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. I suppose that was much about the time you heard the cry? A. No, before—I had stood there I should say ten

minutes before he came up to me—it appeared to me that he came in a direction as from the Swiss Cottage—I did not observe him go back again—I did not go to see what was the matter when I heard the cry.

MR. BODKIN. Q. When you speak about having stood there ten minutes do you speak from your memory, or had you any watch? A. No, I had no watch with me.

COURT. Q. Did you observe which way the prisoner went when he parted from you? A. He went down the road—he went on before me out of my sight—I did not continue the way I was going—I went round by the Swiss Cottage, and down the Titchbourne-road, towards St. John's-wood—I turned backward, and then turned to my left—I was alone when I heard this cry—I was going in that direction on business—I was walking—to the best of my belief I only heard one cry—I took no notice of more than one—I am confident of it—if I had heard more I should have stopped—I should say I could not see down the road more than twelve or fourteen yards from me.

SARAH JANE PHILPS . I had known the prisoner for ten or eleven weeks before the 21st of Feb.—he told me he was a clerk at the Stock Exchange—he was in the habit of visiting me at Mrs. Edwards's, No. 6, Bath-place—I was staying there, but slept at No. 15, Portland-place—I do not wish to mention the gentleman's name—I saw the prisoner there on the evening of the 21st of Feb.—he came at ten minutes after nine o'clock—I had no reason to expect him—I thought he might come—I had understood from him that he passed his Fridays in Grafton-street—when he came to me he had a macintosh—Maria Edwards was there—I noticed nothing about his dress—he said there was a little blood upon the front of his shirt—nothing was said by me, or anybody that I remember, about any part of his dress—I did not ask what he had been about—he said he had a little blood on the front of his shirt.

Q. Did he say his reason for not going to Grafton-street that evening? A. He said he had come from there—there was a little dirt oh the side of his coat, and I asked if he had fallen down—he said he had—he gave me to understand that he had been tipsy, and I thought that was what caused him to fall—he said his governor had made his nose bleed in playing—he used to call his employer in the City his governor—while he was with me he showed me a silver watch and a ring—I had never seen him with the watch before—it had a chain to it, which passed round the neck, which looked like gold—they resembled the watch and ring produced—(looking at them)—he told me he had purchased the watch that day—I think he said he had given eight guineas for it—he said where he bought it, but I did not remember—he took the ring out of his waistcoat pocket, and said it was the ring he had told me of—he had before told me he had a ring—I think that was more than a few days before—I asked why he did not wear it—he said it was too large—I never saw him write—I have received letters from him, and spoken to him about them, and he said he had written them—he sometimes wrote to me in blue ink, and sometimes in black—I know his handwriting—I cannot say whether this letter is his writing—if I had received a letter in this handwriting I should believe it to be his writing.

MARIA EDWARDS . I was in charge of a house in Portland-place on the 21st of Feb., and allowed the last witness to sleep there. I have seen the prisoner often—I heard of the murder at Hampstead—he came on the Friday evening before I heard of it, about nine o'clock, or a little after—I

let him in—he had a macintosh over his arm—I think he came more to see me than the witness—he did see her—he staid there till eleven o'clock, or a little after—while he was there, I saw a watch in his hand—I cannot say whether it was like the one produced—he was a distance from me—it was silver, and had a chain of a gold colour—he said he had bought the watch, and I heard where, but cannot remember—I saw him produce a ring—I did not notice it—it was something like the one produced—he did not say where he got that—he put it on in my presence—it was rather too large—he then put it into his pocket—I am a relation of Mrs. Edwards, of Bath-place.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. How long was he there altogether? A. It was after nine o'clock when he came, and he left at past eleven—he laid the macintosh on some chairs in the room—it is not a very large room—I am not certain whether the last witness had hold of the macintosh or not, to help him on with it—I think he put it on himself when he left—it was where he had laid it till it was taken up—I left them alone in the room—he did not leave the room himself during the two hours he was there.

HENRY WARD KILBURN . I live at No. 4, Harerstock-terrace, and am assistant secretary to the Universal Life Assurance Society. I remember seeing the policeman near my house on the night this occurred—I walked across the fields with him.

JAMES HOCKER . I am the prisoner's brother. On the 21st of Feb. I lived with my father, who is a ladies' shoemaker, at No. 17, Charles-street, Portland-town—at that time I used to sleep at No. 11, Victoria-terrace, Portland-town, with the prisoner—he was at my father's house on the 21st of Feb., and went out about a quarter-past seven in the evening—Charles-street is about twenty minutes' walk from Haverstock-terrace—in the course of that afternoon my brother bad told me he was going in the evening to Bath-place, to receive ten or twelve sovereigns which he had expected for about five weeks before, from Mrs. Edwards—it was to be lent him—he returned to No. 11, Victoria-terrace, to sleep about one in the morning—I had been in bed some time, and imagine it was about that time—his coming into the room awoke me—he showed me twelve sovereigns, and said be bad got rather more than he expected, and then he showed me the right arm of his shirt, the wristband of which was torn, off—he told me, without my asking a question, that he had been at Sarah Cox's, and in company with her brother had got it torn off in romping—I never saw Sarah Cox—I knew he corresponded with her, from what be told me, and seeing letters lying about addressed to her—after mentioning this he came into bed—nothing occurred in the night—I got up next morning to my work as usual—I got to my father's, which is only across the road, within a hundred yards, about half-past seven or eight, and in about two hours the prisoner came over to my father's to breakfast, according to his usual habit—he produced the money, and gave my father a sovereign, my mother a sovereign, and paid me 10s. in silver, which he had owed me four or five months—I expected he would pay me as soon as he got a situation—he was out of employ then—the last regular situation he had was about seven months previous to that time.

Q. Do you recollect, on the Saturday night, being with your brother at Watson's, your father's landlord? A. Yes—Mr. Watson alluded to the murder at Hampstead, and said it was a very awful thing—I had been out to

purchase a small quantity of spirits—I came in, and said I had heard several people talking about it—when Mr. Watson alluded to it, my brother said it was rather a dreary subject to talk of, as we had met to enjoy ourselves, and I very readily joined in the assertion, and the conversation dropped—on the Sunday I went to chapel, and returned to my father's—I was in the habit of going away directly after dinner—the prisoner desired me to stay a little while with him, and drink a little porter, which had been purchased at dinner—he sent for something else—I read an account of the murder in the newspaper that afternoon at a friend's house, and saw that a letter was found in the deceased's pocket addressed to James Cooper, Esq.—I knew before that, from the prisoner, that he knew De la Rue in the name of Cooper—I have seen him address letters to him by the name of Junes Cooper—I forget the name of the street, but it was in Hampstead-road—I went home at ten o'clock on Sunday evening to supper at my father's—the prisoner had not returned home then—he came home to our sleeping-place about eleven—I said nothing to him about Cooper or De la Rue that night, for fear it should disturb him—about half-past seven next morning I awoke him, and asked if he knew who was murdered at Hampstead—he said he did not—I told him it was poor De la Rue—he seemed very agitated, and exclaimed, "Poor De la Rue I"—he seemed very much affected by the news—he sent me over to his father's for his boots, and when I returned, I had reason to believe, from his eyes, he had been crying—I said nothing, but gave him bis boots, and went away—he came to breakfast at my father's in ten minutes or a quarter of an hour—my father said to him, "It is a sad thing about De la Rue; I consider it is your duty to go and own him, as you were so intimate with him"—he said he would go and own him, but while he was putting on his out-door things to go, my mother returned from an errand, and said the body was already owned—he expressed his joy at its being owned, and said it would very much have hurt his feelings at going to own the body, so much that he thought he should almost have fainted.

Q. On the Saturday night after you left Charles-street, and went to your sleeping-place, did your brother show you anything? A. He showed me a silver watch that night, after we left Charles-street—about four months before that he had a watch to sell for Mr. De la Rue, which I saw—I knew he pledged it for 3l., which be told me was the money Mr. De la Rue wanted for it—when he showed me the watch on the Saturday night he gave me to understand that he had redeemed the watch he had pledged before, the watch he spoke of, and I took it to be the watch—he said he had been himself to redeem it—the watch was going at the time he showed it to me—he made a remark on that—I knew the other one would not go, as it was out of repair—he said, "I have got the watch, and it is going."

Q. Does the watch now produced, resemble the one he showed you that Saturday night? A. I should most positively say that is the watch, by the seconds' hands being broken off—he broke them off on the Monday, I believe, by accident—on the Wednesday morning, about one o'clock, Scotney, the officer, came to our room in Victoria-terrace—my brother went down and let him in—on Scotney coming up, he first asked me if I had a watch—I said I had not—he turned to my brother, and said, "You have"—my brother showed that he was confused I thought—he attempted to make a reply, but stammered—I said, "Well, don't deceive the policeman,

Tom, tell him all about it"—meaning, tell him it is the watch you have redeemed—I thought he did not like to tell him, because of the exposure—I thought he was too proud—he took the watch from under his pillow, and gave it to the policeman—he then went to the sideboard, and took from it a morocco case, intended to keep a watch in, which contained three duplicates, the one for the watch, which really was in pledge, one for a ring, and one for a silver chain—I expressed my surprize at seeing the duplicate of the watch, expecting the pawnbroker had got it—I said, "I thought you had got this watch out of pledge?"—he said, "No, it is still in pledge, and this watch De la Rue gave me on Friday morning"—I had seen the prisoner on Friday morning, before he went out—he breakfasted at my father's, and went out about eleven in the morning—I did not see him with any watch then, nor in the evening—the one he pledged was the last I know of his having—I am quite sure of that—I imagine that my brother and De la Rue were on intimate terms, from my brother going out, sometimes perhaps twice a day, four days in a week on an average, in summer time, intending to meet him, and walk with him in the fields, my brother's time being unoccupied—from conversations I have had with my brother, I believe they were on very intimate terms—I recollect last summer my brother bringing home some money—I think I said on a former statement, 6l. or 7l., but I think it was not quite so much—I might more properly have said 3l. or 4l.,—he said Mr. De la Rue had proved a friend to him by giving that to him—my brother had no regular situation—he has been a schoolmaster—he was brought up to that—he can write very well.

Q. Look at this letter, does it appear to be his handwriting? A. No, I never saw him forge a female hand—I take it to be a female's hand—I never saw him write like this—he used to write a bold hand, but I do not consider it impossible for him to write like this—I know he can write two or three hands—he had no situation in the City on the 21st of Feb.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. How long had you known Mr. De la Rue? A. I saw him the first time about two months before the 21st of Feb.—I saw him one evening just before dark with my brother—my brother always called him Cooper, in my hearing, for about six months after he knew him—in fact my brother thought himself that that was his name—I have reason to believe he thought for some time after he knew him that his name was Cooper—he introduced him to me that evening as Mr. Cooper—that was two months before the 21st of Feb.—it was known to my father and mother that De la Rue gave him trifling sums now and then; and he also gave him a ring on one occasion as a mark of respect, we understood—I do not believe my brother made use of the money the watch was pledged for—I have reason to believe it was for De la Rue—my brother, I believe, did not tell De la Rue that he had pledged it, but that he had sold it, that being the sum he wanted for it—my brother went out about eleven on the morning of De la Rue's death—he returned about one to dinner—we asked him if he had seen Mr. De la Rue—he said no—he had said he was going out to meet him—I did not know where De la Rue lived, more than it was in the neighbourhood of Hampstead-road—I was never at his house—my brother always gave me to understand that if Mr. De la Rue should hear of a situation likely to suit him, he would certainly use all his interest to get it him, as a friend—I have every reason to believe Mr. De la Rue was very much attached to—on the day Mr. De la Rue met his death, I was at work till about half-part

eight, which is the usual time of leaving work—I work at borne by the side of my father, not with my brother.

Q. Do you know from your brother whether he had any attachment about twelve months before to any young woman? A. I think about that time he was paying his addresses to a young lady at Hampstead—I never knew whether she had been introduced to De la Rue—his intimacy with her ceased about June last, I think—the summer had begun to decline—I have seen her twice, but never spoke to her—I never pressed my brother for the 10s.—I do not think I ever asked him for it once—he used to tell me he would pay me as soon as he could—the ring I understood De la Rue gave him was a diamond one—the intimacy between him and my brother existed long after the ring had been given—I have every reason to think it existed till the Friday morning—my brother lived in the same lodging up to the day he was apprehended—he had lodged there about four months—I believe my brother's knowledge of music is very good in theory—he it not a performer on any instrument—I do not know that De la Rue caught at schools—I slept with ray brother—I did not notice any marks on my brother after the Friday as if he had been engaged in a contest—if there had been anything extraordinary in his appearance on Saturday morning when he came home I should have made some observation—I was awake when he undrested that morning—there was a light in the room—my brother will be twenty-two years old in May—I am his younger brother.

MR. CHAMBERS. Q. Do you generally burn a light in your room? A. Yes, a candle—it was put out when my brother came to bed—I cannot say when De la Rue gave my brother the ring, but there is a date on the duplicate, which is one of the three found—it was the ring that was pawned—I do not remember any interruption of the friendship between my brother and De la Rue after the courtship between my brother and the young lady ceased—I know of no means my brother had of paying the 10s., if I had pressed him for it, unless he asked Mr. De la Rue for some—he had no situation.

THOMAS HOCKER . I am the prisoner's father—I am a shoemaker, and live in Portland-town. The prisoner boarded at my house, and lodged in Victoria-terrace—he took tea at home on Friday, the 21st of Feb., about four o'clock, or a little after—he went out I think, about half-past six—he had a macintosh coat on when he went out—I had previous to that understood from him that he was in expectation of a loan of money, something like 10l., from Mrs. Edwards—he stated that Friday evening, he had received a note that morning from Mrs. Edwards, stating that she would be ready to meet him on the Sunday night to lend him the required amount—he went on Friday night, and said he should go that evening instead—the macintosh produced is the one he had on when he went out that Friday evening—I know of no other like it—I believe it to be the same the officer took from my place—these are the sort of trowsers I gave the officer—they first came to inquire about this matter on the Wednesday—on the Friday after that I found a ring in my room—it was like the one produced—I found it among some cuttings of leather in the room I work in—the prisoner was in the habit of coming there—Donaldson, a friend of mine, gave it to the officer, Stephens, in my presence.

Q. Do you remember the Saturday after the Friday the prisoner coming to breakfast at your house? A. Yes—I noticed that the sleeve of his shirt was torn—he said he did it in frolic or play overnight—the shirt has since

been given to Shackell in my presence—on the Saturday morning he showed me some sovereigns, one of which he gave me, and one to his mother—I learned from him that he had obtained that money from Mrs. Edwards—I never saw the deceased—I have heard my son speak of him at one time, by the name of Cooper—when I discovered his name was not Cooper, but De la Rue, I remarked that a respectable man should not go by two names—my son said he was somewhat eccentric—I did not know of my son having a watch in his possession before the 21st of Feb.—on Saturday the 22nd I saw him with a watch with the seconds-hand off, of the appearance of the one produced—there was conversation respecting the murder at Hampstead from time to time—he did not say at any time that he was present on the spot, or near it.

WILLIAM WATSON . I am landlord of the house in Charles-street, where the prisoner's father lives. On Saturday night, the 22nd of Feb., I was in conversation with the prisoner and his father in the house—I said it was a shocking job, a murder had been committed at Hampstead on a gentleman, and nobody knew who he was—the father said in his presence, "A murder at Hampstead! I wonder who has done it"—the father said, had I heard how it had been committed, or something to that effect—I said there were three soldiers seen coming from the neighbourhood of Hampstead that night, and suspicion fell on them; they generally carried heavy sticks, and it was supposed to be done with a stick; that the head was smashed, and the brain coming though the skull—the father said, "Oh, cold-blooded rascals! I wonder who has done it"—the prisoner made a sort of emphasis, and laid, "Do not let us talk any more about that, let us talk about something else"—while we were talking, his brother came in, and said everybody had got talking out of doors about the murder, and the gentleman had a love-letter in his pocket.

Q. What did the prisoner say when he said, "Don't let us talk any more about it," &c.? A. He said he would sing us a song, and the two brothers sung together—after that I congratulated them, as the father and him had fallen out, I said I was glad to see they were so friendly to one another—it was then proposed they should sing another song—they sung a duct—before they began to sing the second time the prisoner showed me the wristband of his shirt—he turned up his sleeve, and showed me his shirt, and held up his coat—I saw it was torn under the right armpit, and his shirt wristband was torn—I said he had been in some rough work, and his father remarked he had been in some rough usage somewhere or other—he answered that he had been romping with a parcel of girls—he showed me a new pair of boots he had bought, and said he had given a guinea for them—I first heard the name of the person who had been murdered, on Monday night, the 24th of Feb., at seven o'clock—I knew he had been an intimate acquaintance of the prisoner's, and gave information to Scotney, the policeman, on Tuesday evening.

EDWARD SCOTNEY . I am a sergeant of police. In consequence of information I went on the Tuesday night after the murder to Victoria-terrace—I left Farnham-grren between seven and eight o'clock, and got there about aquarter past one, on Wednesday morning—the prisoner himself came down to the door—I asked him if a person lodged there named Thomas Hocker—he said, "Yes"—I said, "Can I speak to him, if you please?"—he said, "I am the person"—I was in my uniform, but had a macintosh over it—I walked inside—he shut the door after me—I said, "I suppose you have

heard of the murder of Mr. De la Rue, Sir, at Hampstead?"—he said, "I have"—I said, "I understand you were an acquaintance of his?"—he said, "Yes"—I said, "Well, it is an unpleasant thing to tell you, but I am a sergeant of police," turning up my cuff to show that I was so—I said I must take him into custody on that charge—I do not remember his saying anything—I desired to see his room—he told me to follow him—I told him I wished to search his room—he said, "Yes, certainly"—when we get into the room, I found his brother there in bed—he desired his brother to get up and dress—I said I wished to search his apartment for a watch which he had in his possession yesterday, that I believed from information belonged to Mr. De la Rue—he said, certainly I might—the brother said, while he was dressing himself, "Tom, tell the policeman all you know about it; he can see you are telling a lie"—that was after I had spoken of searching for the watch—I do not remember the prisoner saying anything in answer to that, except that he walked to the head of the bed, and gave me the watch from under the pillow—he said, "Here is the watch," handing it to me—I said, "What watch?"—he said, "De la Rue's"—I said, "Where is the gold chain that was attached to it?"—he said, "There was none when he gave it to me"—he said he gave it to him on Friday morning to pledge for him—he produced three duplicates to me, which he said related to property belonging to Mr. De la Rue, which he had pledged for him—one of them is for a ring, pawned on the 8th of Oct, 1844.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. He said there was no chain to it when he gave it to him? A. Yes, I believe I recollected that when before the Magistrate—I am not sure

Q. When he gave you the watch, was not what he said, "That is Mr. De la Rue's; he gave it me last Friday morning, about ten o'clock, to sell for him?" A. I believe it was.

FRANCIS PARTRIDGE . I am an inspector of the A division of police. On the 25th of Feb., Scotney brought the prisoner to me—I went with him to his father'a house—I there told him he was apprehended on suspicion of causing the death of Mr. De la Rue—he made no reply—I afterwards went back with him to the room, No. 11, Victoria-terrace—I found some clothes on the outer part of the bed, down at the feet, and found outside the bed an old coat—I found a pair of trowsers between the bed and sacking—there was nothing particular about them, and they remained there—on the 26th of Feb. I went again with Haynes and Shackell, and in the cup-board I found a shirt wristband, in the prisoner's room in Victoria-place—(producing it)—there is a portion of the shirt-sleeve attached to it—it appears to have been torn off—there are marks of blood on it—I got a pair of trowsers and waistcoat at the father's house, No. 17, Charles-street, Purt-land-town—they have been produced—there was a small mark of blood on the waistcoat when I produced it before the Coroner; he tried it, and it was blood—it is worn out now—there is a large stain of blood on the left knee of the trowaera—it has soaked through—there are marks of spots of blood on the bottom of the leg of the trowsers—I found a bottle containing blue ink at the father's house on the 27th of Feb., also some note-pnper, and wafers with the letter Fon them—when I first saw the note produced, the wafer was more perfect than it is now—I compared it with the wafers found at the prisoner's father's—they appeared to correspond, and have the letter F on them—I took the note out of the envelope, and compared it with the note-paper which I found—it appeared to be a half-sheet, of the same size and appearance

as that—I received a sovereign from the prisoner's father, and got a sovereign and a half at his lodgings, when he was apprehended.

JOSEPH SHACKELL . I am a police-inspector. I produce a macintosh which I received from the prisoner's father—on the front is a great deal of blood—on the back part of it some mud and blood—it was inspected by the Coroner—on the 26th of Feb. I went to the prisoner's lodging, Victoria-terrace, with Haynes, another inspector, in consequence of a communication—the prisoner's brother having asked to go and see him, the Magistrate asked me to go and hear what was said—the prisoner said he wanted some clean drawers, and wished him to go and fetch them—I communicated that to Haynes, and we went and searched the prisoner's lodging—I saw Haynes find a button at the lodging—I produce a shirt which I received at the prisoner's father's—I have fitted this cuff to the remainder of the sleeve, and find it came from that shirt—near where the shirt has been torn, there is a mark where it has been sewed; and on the other wristband are marks of blood—I produce a pair of stockings which the mother gave me—they are also stained with blood—both the knees of the drawers are very much stained—I produce some letters.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Where were the letters found? A. I received them from Mrs. Edwards—they were not found at the deceased's—I went to the deceased's apartments on the Sunday after—the only thing I found there was a bill for a watch—I did not find any papers or prints there—Gray has them.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Does the bill for the watch give the number and maker's name? A. Yes, it corresponds with the watch produced.

JOHN HAYNES . I am a police-inspector. On the 26th Feb. I went to the room the prisoner lodged in—I found on the sideboard a coat-button, which I produce—I went to the New Prison, Clerkenwell, where the prisoner had been committed, and desired him to take off his coat, which I have here—I examined it, and found marks of blood on it, as I consider—here are some spots on the front of the coat—they appear to be spots of blood—there is some blood on the cuff of the coat, on the inside lining of the right sleeve, and in the corresponding pocket, in fact, on the outside of the right-hand lappel of the coat is a considerable quantity of blood, and in the pocket itself—it appears as if a bloody hand had been put into it—the coat is torn under the arm, and there are two buttons missing from the right hand front of the coat, and one from behind—it appears the corresponding button is of a different description to what the others are—the button I found corresponds with the buttons in front of the coat most exactly—I have compared a button found on the spot where the deceased was found—it appears exactly to correspond with the others—it is a common button—I desired the prisoner to take off his trowsers and drawers—I have the drawers he took off, and a pair of gambroon trowsers which he wore under bis other trowsers—on the left knee of the under trowsers there is a stain or mark of blood, which I find corresponds with the pair of trowsers found at the father's house—there is a similar stain on the drawers—they were all saturated—it appears as if an attempt had been made to get the blood out, and the lower part of the drawers is torn off—the blood is on the left knee of the trowsers, and that is the knee which is torn off—I examined the prisoner's left leg—he had no wound from which that blood could come.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. What sort of a button have

you on your own coat? A. It does not exactly correspond either outside or inside—this is a very common button indeed—there are buttons of two kinds od the prisoner's coat—I have not got Mr. De la Rue's coat here—I believe it is not here—it appears to me as if the drawers had been saturated with blood, and a piece torn out—there has been an attempt to wash it out—these drawers were found on the prisoner's person—there is quite enough for anybody to see there has been blood there—the outside trowsers he had on when I examined him were not bloody at all—the bloody trowsers were found at his father's—the under trowsers and drawers were on his person—the trowsers from which I suppose the blood on the drawers was communicated, were at his father's—there is plenty of blood on the trowsers—it does not appear to have been washed out—I cannot see whether any attempt has been made on them to get it out.

COURT. Q. Are both the knees of the trowsers found at the father's stained with blood? A. I believe only one; but I have not examined them so minutely, as Partridge found them—only one knee of the gambroon trowsers was stained with blood, that is the left knee—both knees of the drawers appear to be stained with blood—I cannot exactly say this is blood—it does not appear to be a stain from blood—it is as if slightly rubbed with blood on the right knee—the left knee has an evident stain of blood.

JOSEPH SHACKELL re-examined. Q. Were both the stocking-knees stained with blood? A. One is stained right through—the other I do not think is a stain of blood—there is a stain—it appears as if it had been rubbed—I have put all the four articles on one another, and find the same stain all through the left knee.

DANIEL DE LA RUE . I live at No. 55, Whittlebury-strtet, Euston-square—I am a compositor—I had a brother, a teacher of music, who lived at the same place—I saw his body at the Yorkshire Grey—his-Christian name was James—I had seen him on the Sunday previous to the 21st of Feb.—he then had a watch—it was the one produced—he always wore it about his person—it had a gold chain to it, which he wore round his neck—this ring is my brother's property—I saw it on the finger of his right hand, on the Sunday that I saw him last—I am sure of that—when I saw his body at the Yorkshire Grey, he had on a brown outer coat, and a black body coat underneath—I saw that after his death—I did not take notice whether any of the buttons were off—this is like the buttons on that coat.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Do you know where your brother got the watch from? A. No—I have a bill here, in the name of James Curtis, Esq., to Henry Finer—I never knew my brother go by the oame of Curtis—I knew of his going by the name of Cooper.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Do you know how your brother possessed the watch? A. I knew he did buy it of the maker.

SUSAN KITCHENER . I live at No. 55, Whittlebury-street, Euston-square—Mr. De la Rue lodged there in Feb. last—I saw him on Friday, the 21st of Feb.—he went out that evening at six o'clock, and said he should be in in an hour, or an hour and a half, and told me to keep his fire in—he never came back—I afterwards saw his dead body—I knew he had a watch—he wore it in his waistcoat-pocket, and had a gold chain to it—he did not wear it round his neck, but across his waistcoat—I saw that watch on the Friday morning at nine o'clock—I noticed his waistcoat at two o'clock that day, as if the watch was still in its usual place—I saw

the portion of the chain, and apparently the watch—I saw the chain from one pocket to the other—I saw the shape of the watch in his pocket—I never saw the watch open—it was the colour of the watch produced.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. How old are you? A. Fifteen—I had nothing to do with watches—I did not know how many the deceased had.

JAMES EUSTON . I am a policeman. I was appointed to be in the cell with the prisoner, when he was at Marylebone Police-court, before his examination before the Magistrate—he had some toast brought to him—he was an hour before he began to eat it—he jumped up, and kicked at the door, and said he could throw some light on it, he wished to see the waiter at the Swiss Cottage—I was inside with him, and said he could see the gaoler if he wished, and he did see the gaoler—I cannot swear what passed between them—after the gaoler was gone, the prisoner said he went to the Swiss Cottage a quarter of an hour after the murder, and called for a glass of rum and water, and paid for it—that he gave the waiter a shilling—he said, "There is that Baldock, be don't know me; I was twenty-five minutes in the field, close to the deceased"—he also said he gave Baldock a shilling—this was before the second examination before the Magistrate—I believe there had been one examination—I was not present.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. What had you said to him immediately before he said this? A. I put no question to him at all, nor made any observation—that was the first thing he said when the gaoler was out.

SARAH ANN COX . I know the prisoner—I had known him about seven months before the 21st of Feb.—I did not see him on the night of that day at all—I had not seen him for a month before—he was not romping with any girls in my company.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was there any romping at all? A. No.

ELEANOR EDWARDS . I live at Bath-place, New-road—I have known the prisoner about ten weeks—he never made any application to me to lend him any money, nor did I ever promise to lend him any—I never lent him any in my life—I do not know his father, mother, or brother.

JAMES FELL . I am clerk at the Marylebone Police-court. I took the examination when the prisoner was brought before the Magistrate—he was examined three times—at the conclusion of the examination on the '26th of Feb., I took down what he said in my book first—I transcribed it on to this paper, and read it over to him in the presence of the Magistrate, at the second examination, and asked him if it was what he had said—he said yes—the Magistrate's name is signed to it—the prisoner was not asked to put his name to it—I have the original book here—(reads, "The prisoner says, I can bring witnesses to prove I did not leave my home on Friday evening till a quarter or ten minutes to eight; that is all I wish to say to-day.")

Letter read:—"My dearest James,—I have so often resigned myself to your will and embrace, that I find myself in the situation which makes it necessary for me to leave home shortly. I would rather die than doubt either your love or your honour; yet do not, oh do not be ashamed to own me. If you cannot at present give me the title of wife, conceal me from the cruel finger of scorn. Heaven has been my witness that I have loved you but too dearly. Let me be happy in the conviction that you will one day restore me to your arms for ever. Ease my suspense by meeting me tomorrow at the place where, alas! you have always made me happy, yet

not so—if you will put one smile of hope and comfort on my countenance, you can render me for ever light-hearted and happy, or for ever heart-broken and conscience-stricken. Oh, that a bended knee might procure for me the former lot! Ever yours,—CAROLINE."

THOMAS HOCKER re-examined, Q. You state that you understood from him that he expected a loan of about 10l. from a Mrs. Edwards; did he state who that Mrs. Edwards was? A. I believe she lived at No. 6, Bath-place—he did not say the direction—why I believe she lived there, in in consequence of seeing a letter directed to Mrs. Edwards, No. 6, Bath-place—he did not show it to me—he said nothing about it—I never saw her till this affair.

JAMES HOCKER re-examined. I had been at Mrs. Edwards's house once—it was No. 6, Bath-place, New-road—my brother took me there.

MR. CLARKSON represented to the Court that the prisoner desired to make his own defence, which was granted.

Prisoner. I wish to read to your lordship two statements, which I prepared for my counsel—(reading)—"I have very carefully perused and considered the depositions against me, and I find nothing in them of a serious or weighty nature, to the truth of which I object. I wish to communicate to you all I have to say as calmly and dispassionately as it is possible, and to that and I shall not attempt the least apology or defence.—I will state to you every circumstance connected with the depositions, leaving it to you whether they be consequential or otherwise. The two grand questions are—how came my clothes to be so saturated with blood? and, how did I come into possession of the property of the deceased? The former I can answer satisfactorily to my own conscience; but nothing on earth shall cause me to divulge it, at least on this side of my trial. It were an easy matter for me to fabricate—to make a lie; but I will not do it; and to prove to you that I am so far conscientious, I have, amongst some private letters, which I have had conveyed to me since I came hither, a letter in which a desire is expressed to account for the manner in which my clothes were so besmeared; and the person in his devotedness to me, offers to forswear himself; but I would rather have this mysterious part of the affair remain as it is, by leaving it in the hands of my counsel. I know while doing so I endanger my own safety, but I have urgent reasons for doing so. If this gloomy affair terminate adversely, I die a martyr; if otherwise, by my taking a defensive coarse, I live a traitor. This sounds paradoxical, probably, to your ears, hut such is the fact, of which I excuse and pardon your disbelief until it be further evidenced to you. I will therefore quit this part of the subject with this remark—After such a painful and ignominious exposure of everything connected with my present and former circumstances, together with every vile and contumelious insult and misrepresentation, I can have no desire to survive the issue, be it ever so favourable to my innocence. I am ruined inevitably and irrevocably, and I am too much the Englishman to fear death, whatever form it may assume. But more to the matter. The deceased De la Rue had frequently offered his services to me in the way of pecuniary assistance. (I ought, perhaps, to have told you that I had known the deceased for nearly two years.)—It was about six months after our acquaintance that he made the first friendly overture of the kind, and it was something like two months following that I accepted it; he at that time gave me 4l., 10s., which was the whole of the contents of his purse, accompanied hy the words, 'Hocker, never see me again if you once venture

to return me this trifle; I am no friend of yours in your estimation if you view it as a loan merely.' Last August I kept away from him for a month or five weeks, on account of the shabhy condition of my apparel; he took it unconfidingly on my part, that I did not acquaint him with my embarrassed circumstances, and then goodheartedly insisted on my turning to the best advantage 5l., which he threw at me, wishing he could 'punish me' in the same way right on for a whole day; such was the nature of our intimacy; I have had property belonging to deceased of considerable value; a large telescope—I should say worth 7l. or 8l., also a smaller one, and an opera-glass, microscope, &c.; all of which he lent me at different times, and which I believe are to be found at his apartments now; my parents, and several others, remember to have seen them. The deceased also intrusted me with a silver watch, a silver watch-guard, and part of a diamond ring; the part which contained the diamond only remained. I had to dispose of them for 3l. 17s. The deceased was anxious to make up a certain sum of money by a given time, and I understood the request as a delicate wish for me to pledge the articles for him. I got them pawned at a Mr. Richardson's, Henry-street, Portland-town, for the required amount; the deceased gave me the duplicates, which I handed over to the officers when they searched my apartment. How I came with the watch and ring, which the brother of deceased identified, was in the following way:—In our engagements of late deceased had often been half an hour behindhand; his watch, for some time past, had performed irregularly; he frequently struck it with his walking-cane, in a momentary ill humour, which accounts for the seconds-pointer being gone; he gave it to me to be cleaned and repaired for him; at the same time producing his ring, which had always been too large for his little finger, to be loosened, and for the brilliant to be reset, which it needed, in consequence of an attempt to prove its genuineness, which he effected by removing the brilliant from its setting, and striking it with a hammer, having first placed it on a stone for that purpose. He had used all his influence towards putting me into a comfortable situation, but had failed until the morning of the day on which he was murdered. I forgot to state that it was on this morning that the deceased gave the watch and ring to me. On that morning he saluted me in a pleasant air, and said he brought me good news, he hoped; he then led me to think I should be a little better to do in a few days, but that he would acquaint me with more anon; he provided me at the same time with (what indeed I had for some time expected) 12l. in gold. The deceased had so often lent me money that I was ashamed to mention his name again to my parents; I therefore forged a falsehood, and represented Mrs. Edwards as the donor. I was in possession of the money in the morning, and that accounts for my positively assuring my parents that I might have it by calling on Mrs. Edwards in the evening. At seven o'clock in the evening of the Friday in question I went to the Swiss Tavern, and called for rum and water. I staid there nearly three quarters of an hoar; There was another man, apparently a gentleman, in the room during the whole of the time, to whom I read portions of the day's newspaper; a candle was on the table close by me while I was reading; it was a bitterly cold night, and the fire was burning cheerfully. I stood in the front of it for some time. Had my clothes at that time been disordered and bloody, the gentleman or the waiter must hare seen it. The waiter

remarked at the inquest, after failing to identify me, that the person who ordered the rum and water had white hands; he meant at least that they were not bloody. If I went anywhere to wash them, why suffer my clothes to remain as they were, and have the temerity to enter a lighted public-house so near the spot? But it is not my place to write in this manner. I will proceed further. After I left the tavern I directed my path across the fields, in a line with the spot where the deed was committed, for it lay in my way to the Hampstead-road, whither I was going. As I approached the Haverstock-field, singing a merry tune, a policeman ran out from the hedge, and accosted me with the words, 'Young gentleman, sad work here, here's a dead man.' I immediately scaled the fence with him, and asked him if he was sure the man was dead? The policeman (Baldock) said there was no doubt of it. I felt the pulse of the deceased. It was still. He remarked that the deceased was a young man. It was an awful spectacle, and we both wept. I felt quite sick and chilly, and told the policeman I should shortly take some brandy. I proposed to him to do the same. I continued with him and the deceased, without offering to withdraw, for twenty minutes. I told Baldock that some months back I had been in the habit of crossing the adjacent field from Hampstead several times in a week at a late hour in the evening, and that I usually carried a pocket stiletto as a life-preserver, which I showed him, asking him whether the possession of such an instrument was illegal or not. He said he thought not. He remarked that the blade was bright. Baldock asked the time of the night. I looked at the watch which has since been produced, and told him. Sergeant Fletcher, and some four or five other policemen, then arrived with a stretcher. Almost all of them addressed me on seeing me on the spot with Baldock. I accompanied the policemen, four of whom carried the eoxpse. I asked one of them if it was necessary for me still to attend them; he said if I could give no information it would be useless. I had made an appointment to be at Portland-place that evening. I found that I had already exceeded my time through remaining so long with Baldock. I left them with the corpse when I had got as far as Church-row, Hampatead, and hastened towards my destination."

I subsequently made another statement, which I will read:—

"I wish to explain to you, as nearly as my feelings will suffer me, the nature of my present trial, and to show you, that to attempt an extrication out of my misery, by a full disclosure of everything connected with this sad affair, would be futile and fiendish. About a year ago I courted a young lady at Hampstead, whose parents were highly genteel and respectable. I felt a great attachment to her; we met and loved in secret. I introduced myself to her parents shortly after my acquaintance with her. She was a beautiful girl, and I felt that I should be proud to introduce her to the man whom I looked upon as my very best friend. At length I found an opportunity of doing so. The parents of the girl, hearing that I had such a friend as De la Rue, invited us both to see them. I had represented De la Rue as a man of property, and in every sense of the word a gentleman. We frequently afterwards visited the family together. What he lacked in manner and address was compensated for by his condition in life, which was so much more favourable than mine. De la Rue betrayed me, and at length, after a long interview with the father, he refused me as a suitor to his daughter. Henceforth De la Rue was the acknowledged lover, though discouraged by

the girl's indifference towards him. But time and assiduity accomplish everything; he won her affections at last, and proved the genuineness of his heart to me and the girl by seducing her! Yes, such a villain was the man who, though dead, I abhor; and now comes the catastrophe. A short period elapsed, and the parents suspected, by the girl's tears and De la Rue's rude withdrawal, that all was not right, and subsequently the secret was divulged. Oh, picture to yourself the distraction of the parents of an only daughter in such a condition, and the thirst tor revenge of an only brother who had been married honourably but five weeks. Revenge was the only thing that had any charms for him, and we all determined to have it, for I was dishonoured with the rest. They knew I could forge a lady's handwriting. I penned the note which was found on deceased's person, and sent it by a young woman whom De la Rue knew. He attended to the assignation, and was on the spot where he had effected the ruin of an innocent creature, and where he met his fate. I and the brother accompanied each other till we came to Haverstock-field, when we separated, he to the fatal spot and I to the Swiss Tavern, which we appointed our rendezvous, but not until I had waited for some time. I myself distinctly heard the cry of'Murder.' I then knew the scene had commenced, but neither the brother nor I had any presage or thought of the issue. After waiting some time for him at the tavern, I hastened to Haverstock-field. This is the explanation of my anxiety to feel the pulse of the deceased, and my shedding tears when I witnessed the result of that revenge which had not death for its object, but serious mutilation. I hurried to the house of the perpetrator, who had flown there for refuge. I then took the whole upon myself, as I had been the principal cause of the tragedy. I immediately rushed from the house and sought a slaughter-house in Hampstead, and disfigured my clothes in a pool of blood which I found handy. You see, sir, I cannot account for the bloody state of my clothes without giving a reason for making them so—here is the difficulty. O God! I could pass through the impending ordeal in unison with my wishes. I have mentioned no names to you; and oh, did you but see the state of my mind! I cannot prove that I was not on the spot at the time of action, unless I, to save myself who am innocent, bring to justice those who, as far as intention was concerned, are equally so. Am I sure that by such a course I should be free from imputation! And if they should turn their backs upon me—which it is in their power to do—what then would become of me? See how I am surrounded by difficulties! I will not say anything more to acquit myself—that is at the best only dubious, and calculated to involve others in addition to myself—I cannot say more—my mind is almost bewildered."

JOHN BALDOCK re-examined. While the prisoner was by me in Haverstock-field he did not produce a pocket-stiletto to my knowledge—I do not remember his asking me if it was lawful to carry a stiletto—I do not remember anything of the kind, nor saying to him that it was a very bright blade—he told me he frequently passed there, and carried property with him—he did not say anything about carrying a stiletto to protect himself—I am sure of that.

THOMAS HOCKER re-examined. I remember my son having a telescope which he said belonged to De la Rue—I have had it in my hand—it was a very large one—I saw him with a watch and watch-guard, which he said belonged to De la Rue, and I believe a smaller telescope at one time, a microscope.

GUILTY . Aged 22.— DEATH .

OLD COURT.—Saturday, April 12th, 1845.

Second Jury, before Edward Bullock, Esq.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-822
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty

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PIERCE DRISCOL (police-constable H 24.) About one o'clock, on Wednesday morning, I stopped the prisoner in Rosemary-lane, with this bag on his shoulder, and this shirt in his hand, offering it for sale—I asked what he had—he said, "A shirt"—I asked what he had in the bag—he said, "Some stockings"—I asked what he was—he said, "A sailor"—seeing no appearance of a sailor about him, I searched the bag, and found it contained the articles stated—he said the stockings were his, own—I asked his name—he would not give it—I asked him the marks about the shirts—he said there was no mark—the letters F M are on it.

JOHN HUGHES . I live in Leman—IOW, White Lion-street, Whitechapel. On Tuesday or Wednesday evening a man asked me to buy this shirt—the prisoner is very like the man—to the best of my opinion, it was him, but I had never seen him before—I gave him 1s. for it—I gave it up to tht constable when he came for it.

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CHARLES GREEN . I am a clerk in a mercantile house, and live in Berwick-street, Soho. On the 28th of Feb., about half-past ten o'clock at night, I was going home from the City—I had been drinking somewhat freely. I remember reaching Great Russell-street, Bloomsbury—I went into the Blue Boar there, and called for a glass of gin and water—whilst I was standing at the bar, Darby came in, and asked me if I wanted a cab—I declined it—he still wanted me to have a cab, and was very importunate with me to have one—I do not remember his having any of my gin and water, or his bringing in any other person—I cannot recollect how long I was in the house—I remember coming out of the Blue Boar, and going to the Blue Posts, at the corner of Hanway-street and Tottenham Court-road—I was followed by Darby, who still wished me to have a cab—I do not remember seeing any second man before I got to the Blue Posts—I left the Blue Posts, and went straight along in the direction of Crown-street—I there turned up a court, for a natural purpose—after I left the Blue Potts, Darby still wanted me to have a cab, and he was joined by another man—I observed that before I turned up the court—whilst I was up the court I remember receiving a blow on the head—I then lost my senses entirely, until I found myself in a chemist's shop—I was taken home that night—next morning Stack was brought to my bedside in order that I might look at him—Sergeant Wells asked me if I could identify him as the man who was drinking with me on the previous night; and whilst I was looking at him very earnestly, he said, "I did not strike the blow."

COURT. Q. Are you quite sure Wells did not ask whether you could identify him as the man who struck the blow? A. He did not say that—he said, "Can you identify this man as the man who drank with you in the Blue Posts;" and before I answered, while looking at him, he said, "I never struck the blow, I never saw the gentleman before I met him at the Blue Boar"—I said, "You vagabond, you are one of them, you have committed yourself"—he made no answer to that—I cannot recognise Stack as being either of the men—I have no doubt about Darby—they were perfect strangers to me.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. The first time the second man appeared was after you had left the Blue Posts? A. Yes—it was about half-past ten o'clock when I first entered the Blue Boar—I had been drinking freely before that—I had a glass of gin and water at the Blue Posts, as Darby asked me to treat him—I cannot recollect whether we had one each—I have no recollection of stopping and speaking with any party when I came out of the Blue Posts—I did not stop, talking to Darby, or any one, for ten minutes, or five minutes, or for any time—I do not recollect stopping—I can take on myself to say I did not stop—after leaving the Blue Posts I went immediately over to Crown-street—I did not go to another public-house opposite, to my recollection—I cannot undertake to say I did not—I had been drinking freely, and might not recollect it—this court in Crown-street was not in my way home, but I had been accustomed to go that way formerly, and it was very natural for me to go that way, to avoid High-street, St. Giles, which is not a respectable neighbourhood—that was when I lived in the same place—it was my intention to turn down Sutton-street, but I went into George-yard, which is, I suppose, not more than a dozen yards beyond Sutton-street—I never remember seeing George-yard before—I have seen it since—it is a broad

entrance from Crown-street, not very broad—it is not quite so broad as Crown-street—I turned on the right side of the entrance—I went down, I should say, about three, four, or five yards—there is a stable door on that side, and some wagons at the extremity of the yard, but not near the entrance—I examined it about a week ago, in the middle of the day—at the opposite corner to where I was there is a gin palace—I cannot recollect whether it extends considerably below where I laid—I do not know whether there is a fire-station at the lower part of the yard—I only examined it in a casual way—I observed a projection on the side where I was supposed to have laid—it is a round pipe—I observed's grating before I came to the pipe, a little below the surface—the surface of the yard is all even, quite as even as Oxford-street, I should say, except this small grating, which is an interruption to it—to the best of my recollection, the grating is about half-a-dozen yards from the entrance of the yard—I cannot say positively whether I observed a sharp ring round the pipe, about two feet from the ground—I had no appointment to go to Hendon, or anywhere, next day—I do not recollect speaking to Darby about meeting me next morning with the cab—I will not swear I did not speak to him about a cab nor that I did not treat him to a glass of rum and water at a public-house, after leaving the Blue Posts—there is a public-house at the opposite corner, just as you turn down Crown-street—I think it was with half-a-crown that I paid for the glass of gin and water at the Blue Boar.

MR. BODKIN. Q. You had been accustomed to go home to Berwick-street through Sutton-street, which turns out of Crown-street? A. Yes—on this night, from the influence of what I had taken, I went beyond it—after leaving the Blue Posts I can only recollect receiving a blow—I do not recollect any talk I might have had—I had no business at Hendon, and know no one there—I remember receiving some change at the Blue Boar—Darby had no doubt an opportunity of seeing that.

COURT. Q. Have you a distinct recollection of having received a blow? A. I have—I cannot say whether at the time I received it I was standing or not—I cannot recollect whether I unbuttoned my clothes when I turned up the gateway—the only recollection I have is of receiving a violent blow while I was up there—I have no recollection in what position I was at the moment it was given.

Q. Cannot you recollect whether you were looking down the gateway or towards the wall? A. The only recollection I have was the sense of very acute pain on the head from the blow—I do not recollect going up there—I suppose I went up there for a natural purpose—I have no distinct recollection of any thing after I left the Blue Posts till I was at the surgeon's shop, except having received the blow—I remember the fact of the blow on my head—I do not remember how I fell, whether I fell or not, or whether I was struck after I fell.

LETITIA TERRY . I keep the Blue Boar in Great Russell-street—Mr. Green came into my house on the 28th Feb., about twenty minutes past eleven o'clock—he called for some gin and water—whilst serving him I heard the noise as of a cab stopping at the door—it came up not more than a minute after Mr. Green came in—on the cab stopping Darby the cab man came into the house—I did not then perceive that Mr. Green was labouring under the effects of liquor—Darby looked in Mr. Green's face and laughed rudely—he persevered in laughing—at last he touched his

hand to his hat, and said something to Mr. Green which I did not hear—in consequence of this conduct I paid rather particular attention to him—I thought it looked rather strange—Mr. Greeen offered him his glass to drink—he then asked if he might not let his mate drink, and he called Stack from the other door which opens into Caroline-street—he called him by some Christian name, but I cannot recollect what—upon that Stack came in and drank—the glass was then given back to Mr. Green, he put it to his lips, gave it back to Darby, and went out of the house—Darby then said to Stack, "Here, catch hold," he gave him the glass, and followed Mr. Green quickly—Stack emptied the glass, and followed quickly after Darby—I recollect their persons—Mr. Green paid me for bis liquor with a half-crown, and I gave him change—I cannot say whether either of the prisoners were present at the time he pulled out the money—it was paid for just as I gave it to him—I think I was giving Mr. Green the change when Darby came in.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you examined at the Police-office? A. No—I was present on two occasions I think, but was not examined—I did not know either of the prisoners before—the first time I again saw Darby was at Marlborough-street, on his first examination—that was about three weeks after—they had but one glass of gin and water, and that was between the three—no one but me was serving, we have not much custom at that time in the evening—Wells the policeman asked me to go to the police-office—I only saw Darby the first time I went—I saw Stack at the last examination—I think that was on a Saturday morning, about three weeks ago—I think Mr. Green remained in my house about ten minutes, certainly five—I cannot recollect by what name Darby called Stack in—it did not sound like a surname—Stack came in from the Caroline-street door and Darby gave him the glass in his hand.

JURY. Q. Did you observe when Mr. Green paid you, whether he displayed any more money than the half-crown? A. did not notice.

THOMAS SPRIGGS . I am pot-boy at the Blue Posts public-house, in Tottenham Court-road. On the 28th of Feb., about half-past eleven o'clock at night, Mr. Green came there in front of the bar—there is a tap-room which lies backwards towards Hanway-street—about the time Mr. Green was at the bar, Stack was in the tap-room—Darby was with Mr. Green at the bar, drinking gin and water—I knew the prisoners before by their using the house—they are cab men—they generally came into the tap-room together, and were acquainted with each other—on that day Darby had been driving Stack's cab—they were at our house together about twelve o'clock in the day—Stack said he would go out to the bar, to see if his cab was on the rank, and get his money—I do not know who was driving the cab in the day, but Darby drove it at night—whilst Mr. Green and Darby were drinking at the bar, Stack came out of the tap-room to the bar, and said he would go out for a cigar—he asked Darby for his money, Darby would not give it to him, but said, "Will you have a drop of gin and water with us? "which he did—I was shutting up the house, and Mr. Green called for another fourpennyworth of gin and water—they had two fourpennyworths altogether—Stack had some of it, and Darby also—I shut up the house, and about five minutes after twelve, I let Mr. Green out—I opened the door for him—he was sensible enough to know where he was, and what he was about—I could see that he had been drinking—there are two doors to our house—Mr. Green went out at the Hanway-street door—Darby

went out directly after—Stack remained at the bar—in about ten minutes somebody came in for some gin, and I saw Mr. Green and Darby standing on the opposite side of Hanway-street, talking—it is a very narrow-street—Stack was in the bar at that time—about five minutes after that, Stack went out—when Mr. Green paid for the last fourpennyworth of gin and water he pulled out some money—I did not see how much he had, but if I am not mistaken, I saw a sovereign in his hand among the silver—the prisoners were there then, and had an opportunity of seeing that—he had more than enough to pay for the gin and water—I saw him put it into his pocket after paying.

Cross-examined. Q. Stack was in the tap-room when Darby and Mr. Green came into the bar? A. Yes, he came into the tap-room about eleven o'clock and stopped there—I should say he had been in about half an hour before Darby and Mr. Green came in—I did not serve him with anything to drink, but I saw him in the tap-room—when I let Stack out, Darby and Mr. Green were gone from the other side of the way—I let about three other persons out with Stack, and closed the house—Mr. Green gave the barmaid a shilling for the first glass of gin and water—she is not here—I am sure I saw gold in his hand, and I believe it was a sovereign.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Do you mean you had seen Stack in the tap-room half an hour before Mr. Green came in? A. Yes, and he was there all the while, till Mr. Green came into the bar—I was examined before the Magistrate, and made my mark to what was read over to me—it was about eleven, or half-past, when Stack was in the tap-room—it was between the two times—I know it was about half-past eleven when Mr. Green came in—I had seen Stack in the tap-room about twenty minutes before—I went direct from the tap-room to the bar to fetch a pot of beer for Stack, and saw Mr. Green there—that was the first thing I served him with—at least, I did not serve him, I served the other people that paid for it, and he drank out of it—I saw Stack for the first time that evening when they ordered the beer, and when I went to fetch it I found Mr. Green and Darby at the bar.

COURT. Q. How long had Stack been there friten you went for this first pot of beer? A. About twenty minutes—when I got to the bar, Mr. Green and Darby were there—they had just got the glass of liquor made—it had been mixed, and, to the best of my knowledge, Darby had the glass in his hand.

Q. Did you not say just now that the first you saw of Stack in the tap-room was when you were ordered to get a pot of beer? A. Yes, that was the first time I observed him—I had not observed him before that night—he was in the tap-room before I was there, but I did not observe him before I went for the pot of beer—as soon as they gave me the order for the pot of beer, I went straight to the bar, and there saw Mr. Green.

JAMES CLARK (police-constable C 55.) I was on duty on the 28th of Feb., in Crown-st., St. Giles, about half-past twelve, and saw a cab standing at the end of George-yard, in Crown-street—George-yard is about ten yards wide—it is a carriage-way, and there is a foot-pavement on both sides—it is no thoroughfare—it leads to stables and buildings of that sort—there is a gin-shop at the left-hand corner, as you go down the court, and stables, and a fire-engine house on the right side—the cab was standing right opposite George-yard, about the centre, with the horse's head towards me—I was

coming up towards Oxford-street—Darby was sitting on the box of the cab—when I came in sight of him, I heard him call out, very quick and sharp, "Here, here, here's the Bobby!"—they call the police Bobbies—I had my uniform on—he turned his head towards George-yard, as if speaking to some person up the yard, and I immediately saw Stack run out of George-yard, and spring on to the box of the cab, with a whip in his hand—I could not say exactly what kind of whip it was—he had it in his right hand—the thong part was before him, and the butt-end behind him—he was holding it near the middle—he took the reins from Darby, (I did not know Darby at that time,) and attempted to drive away—he started the horse, turned it round, and was driving it furiously away, whipping his horse, during the time I was after him, down Crown-street, towards Tottenham Court-road—I followed and overtook the cab, at the end of Sutton-street, which is about fifty yards from George-yard—I there stopped the cab, and found the two prisoners on it—I am quite sure they are the men—Stack was driving—I asked Stack what was the matter, as he was driving away in such a furious manner—he said, "Nothing at all"—I asked him again, and he made no answer—I then asked him to show me his badge—he took it out from underneath his coat, and showed it to me, without making any difficulty—I saw his number, and took the number of the cab, and seeing no one inside the cab, I told him he might go—he said, "You b----and so can you"—he then drove on towards Tottenham Court-road—I immediately returned to George-yard, and there found Mr. Green, lying down on his side, with his hat off, and a pool of blood under his head—I noticed a wound in his head, from which the blood was proceeding very fast—he was very insensible—I procured some assistance, and had him taken to Mr. Kenny's, a surgeon, in the neighbourhood, where his wound was examined—he was nearly ten minutes, after he got to Mr. Kenny's, before he came to his senses, sufficiently to tell me where he lived—I then went home with him—he had one sovereign, four shillings, sixpence, a 4d. piece, and one penny in his pocket—I noticed blood three yards before I came to the pool under his head—he was lying with his head towards the buildings down the court, and his feet outwards towards the carriage-road—I noticed blood about three yards from his feet, towards Crown-street—I suppose he must have gone or staggered those three yards, whilst he was bleeding—on the right-hand side of the court is a plain brick-wall—his head was about a foot and a half from the wall—I noticed no blood whatever near or on the wall, nor any pipe handy—there is a rain-water pipe near the top, but that is ten yards from where Mr. Green was found, ten yards further up the court from the street—it is a round pipe, that comes down by the engine-house—I did not notice any projection of any kind from the wall near where Mr. Green was found, or in any part of the line marked by the blood—there ia no projection on the ground at that part—his head was on a flat paving-stone, two feet square, as plane as a deal board—there is not the least unerenness in the surface.

Cross-examined. Q. When did you examine this yard a second time? A. As soon as I came back on my beat—I have since examined it in the day-light—I am sure the water-pipe is ten yards further up the yard than where I found Mr. Green—Mr. Green's head was lying about eleven yards from the entrance of the court—the pipe is somewhere about twenty-one

yards from the entrance—there is no pipe, between the entrance and where I found Mr. Green—there is a grating on the ground, about three yards below the pipe, towards Crown-street—I saw the blood before I took Mr. Green up—there was no gas-lamp near—there was one about ten yards from him, at the top of the yard, on the left-hand side—I did iot take him up towards the lamp—I held him against the wall till I got the assistance of a brother constable, and then I took him down towards Crown-street—I had examined Mr. Green before that, and seen the wound in his head, and the blood running from it—I lifted him up before I examined the yard, but I saw the blood three yards before I came to his head, before I lifted him up, while he was on the ground—the first objects that caught my attention, on going into the yard, were the spots of blood on the pavement—his feet were about three yards from the spots of blood, or rather better, perhaps—his feet went across towards the carriage-road—there is a fire-station in the yard—the firemen are generally up of a night, but they are very often asleep—I have been on the beat some time—there is a large public-bouse opposite this place—where I found Mr. Green is beyond the public-house, on the opposite side of the way, not far beyond—I pointed out the place where I saw Mr. Green to one of the firemen, next morning—I found an umbrella sticking in the grating—that grating wss about three yards before I came to Mr. Green, and is below the surface of the yard—it would not be easy to stumble over it—it is a very little below the surface—I did not measure it—I will, swear no portion ofit is three inches below the surface—it is nearly level—the portion nearest the wall inclines rather more than the other end—the cab had gone fifty; yards when I came up to it—I was about thirty yards from it when I first noticed it, and when I heard the words, "Here's the bobby, "I ran. after the cab, and while it was traversing a space of fifty yards, I had travelled eighty—there are one or two small courts on the other, side of the way, much narrower than George-yard—I do not know that the public-house at the corner is in the habit of being open late—I never saw any persons in it after twelve—I have seen their own people up, and talking after twelve—this was about half-past twelve—they always close their doors at twelve.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Did you continue to walk sharply towards the cab after first seeing it? A. Yes—by the time Stack had got on the cab, and turned it roundy I was within about ten yards of it—this grafting, in which the umbrella was, is between the street and where I found Mr. Green, about eight yards up the wall, on the right-hand side—it is a very small iron grating, over an area, about a foot square—there are two gratings in the yard—Mr. Green was lying about three yards beyond the grating in which the umbrella was sticking—the first spot of blood was about two feet beyond the umbrella, and it continued spot by spot till I came up to Mr. Green—I suppose the grating was three yards, or rather better, from his feet—he was lying across the court—his feet were rather further from Crown-street than his head—the second grating is ten yards further on—the track of blood was straight towards his head, not to his feet—the public-house was closed at this time, but there was a light in the parlour—the pavement is about two feet or two feet and a half, wide—the blood I saw for the three yards, appeared to me just as if it had dropped from a person—I took the umbrella home to Mr. Green.

MR. GREEN re-examined. I had an umbrella that night—it was brought

to me by Clark—I did not take particular notice of the distance of the pipe from the entrance of the court—I have not yet quite recovered.

THOMAS WELLS (police-sergeant C 1.) In consequence of information I received, I looked after the prisoners—Stack lives at No. 3, Petty's-place, or court—I went and found him there in bed, about half-past nine on Saturday morning, the 1st of March—I asked his name, which he told me, and also the number of his badge—I had seen him driving a cab before, but I did not know him by name—I asked whether he was at Crown-street last night with his cab—he said he was, he had followed a gentleman down Crown-street to know what time he was to fetch him in the morning, and that there he had lost sight of him, and had not seen him since—I told him he must dress himself and go with me—I took him into custody, and conveyed him to Mr. Green's house.

COURT. Q. Are you quite sure when you saw him at his house you did not tell him what you took him about? A. I think I did tell him I came about a gentleman who was struck—I am not quite certain—he was shown to Mr. Green, and while Mr. Green was looking at him he said, "I did not strike the blow"—Mr. Green had his head bandaged up at the time, and his eye was looking very black—Mr. Green said, "You are the vagabond"—he said nothing more—Stack was then taken to the station.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you examined the yard since this occurrence? A. I have—I should say the pipe is from sixteen to twenty yards from the entrance—it is very near the engine-house—the spot where Mr. Green lay was shown to me by Clark, and the blood, at the time—the pipe is four, five, or six yards from where the pool of blood was, where his head lay—I only observed one grating—that was about in the centre, between the two pools of blood, close to the wall—there were two pools of blood—the grating was about a yard and a half from the pool furthest from Crown-street, and about the same distance from the other—the two pools were about three yards apart—I did not measure it—I think the pool furthest from Crown-street was nearly opposite the side of the public-house—the pool of blood was not about the same distance from the wall as the grating—it was nearer the kerb-stone, on a flat stone, about a foot or eighteen inches further from the wall.

COURT. Q. Then were these two pools of blood by the kerb-stone? A. They were on the stone next the kerb, both in a line, and there were spots between the two—there were no spots before I came to the first pool—I particularly examined that—the first blood I saw was the first pool, then some spots, then another large pool, and there was no blood whatever beyond that—that was nearer the centre of the yard than the grating—the yard is very little resorted to of a night—in case of fire the engines come out.

MR. BODKIN. Q. When was it you made this examination? A. A little after two o'clock the same morning, with a lantern—I also examined it again in the morning by daylight—Mr. Green had been removed some time before I examined the spot—I have no knowledge of the state of the blood before he was moved—I was not there when he was moved.

COURT. Q. Then one of these pools of blood might have been made on the spot to which he was moved? A. It might; and the drops between the pools also.

JOHN JAMES ALLEN (policeman E 159.) I took Darby into custody on the 26th of March, at Mr. Kelly's, No. 9, Drury-lane—I had

been looking for him from the 1st of March, but was not able to find him—told him I took him for the concern of Jack Stack, in Crown-street—he said it was a bad job, and he was about to say something—I told him if he made any statement to me I should have to give it as evidence against him—he said, all he recollected of the concern was, that he met with a gentleman at the Blue Pig, and they had something to drink there, that they afterwards went to the Blue Posts, and afterwards to Jarvis's (which is a public-house in Hanway-street)—he said he went back again to the Blue Pig, to see if Mr. Hattersall was going to ride home, and he met the gentleman again, that the gentleman spoke to him again, and asked him if he would have something else, that he said he would have some of the old sort, that they had some gin and water, that he was drunk, and recollected nothing afterwards.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you know George-yard? A. Perfectly well—I have not examined it since this occurrence—I know there is a pipe on the right hand side of the way, near the engine-house, between fifty or sixty feet from the entrance—I have not been there for the purpose of examining the yard.

COURT. Q. Did you observe any grating on the right-hand side? A. Not in particular—I have only been there for the purpose of calling the engines in case of a fire.

JOSEPH KENNY . I am a bachelor of medicine, and a general practitioner, and live in High-street, St. Giles's. Mr. Green was brought to my house early in the morning of the 1st of March by the two policemen—he was bleeding profusely, and completely insensible)—I immediately perceived a wound on the side of the head—I examined it and probed it—the bone was denuded, but did not appear to me to be injured—it was not fractured—it seemed to have been caused by some blunt inttrtmeot having struck it—it was partially contused, but was completely divided in the centre—the edges were partially jagged—it was a contused and lacerated wound, such as might be caused by a hard blow from a blunt instrument—it was a very severe blow—the butt end of a whip might have produced it—the wound was perpendicular—I eould not positively say in what way the instrument struck the head—I think a similar wound might have been received by a fall, if he had fallen against a sharp projection—I do not think a fall on a smooth paving-stone could have caused it—I have not seen the spot where this occurred—I attended Mr. Green for about a week afterwards.

Cross-examined. Q. Was not the direction of the wound exactly sudh as would occur to a man who stumbled and fell, his head coming against some sharp projecting instrument? A. That depends upon what be fell against—it might be produced in that way—the wound wae something more than an inch long—I think the butt end of a whip would productd a similar wound.

COURT. Q. Could the injury have been produced if the nan stool behind him at the time, and struck with his right hand with a whip? A. I should think the person must have been either at the side or in front of him—I think it could not have been produced by a blow from behind—it is on the right-hand side of the head—I think if the blow was struck from behind, the position of the wound would have been different, perhaps nearly at right angles, but it is altogether conjecture on my part—I think person must have been before him—if he struck him standing

on the same side the wound would have been in a different position—I think such a blow could be produced by a man striking him while standing, and I should say the man stood in front of him, and then struck him directly downwards—I do not think a fall against an ordinary water-pipe would have produced such a wound.

THOMAS WELLS re-examined. I observed no blood whatever near the pipe—it was full three or four yards from it—the pipe is much further up the yard.

MR. O'BRIEN called

ROBERT SEDDON . I keep the Fox and Hounds, 264, Tottenham-court-road—I have known Darby about four years, and Stack I dare say three years, and know nothing against them—Darby has been in my employ several times—on the night in question Mr. Green and the prisoners came into my house at half-past twelve o'clock, and called for a glass of rum and water—I served him—he called for a cheroot, which I gave him—he then asked some persons to have half a gallon of half-and-half—a gentleman said, "No, we will have the best ale or nothing," and he said, "Then you will pay for it yourselves"—a cab man asked him for a screw of tobacco, and he gave it him—he asked what he had got to pay—I told him 17d.—he pulled out of his left-hand coat pocket a sovereign, 1s. 6d., and a halfpenny, among some pieces of biscuit—he gave me a crown-piece, and I gave him 3s. 7d. change—after that, when he was going out, he said, "Give this man 4d. worth of rum and water, and I shall be back in half an hour"—I said, "Sir it will be time enough to give it when you return; I shall not give it"—they were all tipsy, particularly Darby—he was the tipsiest of the lot—they left my house at twenty-five minutes past twelve o'clock—my house is not a hundred yards from Crown-street—I should say Mr. Green went out first—Darby followed him, and Stack followed Darby—I do not know whether the cab was at the door or not—they walked away out of the house.

(Daniel Callighan, tailor, No. 6, Petty's-court, Hanway-street; Sarah Hal ford, the wife of a journeyman carpenter, No. 3, Petty's-court; and Mary Daley, the wife of a silk-dyer, deposed to Stack's good character.)

STACK— GUILTY . Aged 23.

DARBY— GUILTY . Aged 24.

Transported for Fifteen Years.

Before Mr. Baron Platt.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-826
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown

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826. JOHN ASHLEY and WILLIAM ALLEN were indicted for feloniously and knowingly uttering, on the 24th of March, a forged request for the delivery of 6 stoves, with intent to defraud Robert William Kennard.

HENRY COOK . I live with my father and mother in Ireland-yard, Doctors' Commons—last Monday I saw the prisoners in Puddle Dock—I was standing in Thames-street, and saw both the prisoners talking together-Allen asked me if I wanted a job—I said yes—he asked if I would take a truck and get some stoves, he would give me 4d.—Ashley had gone up St. Andrew's-hill at this time—I asked Allen if he had an order—he said yes, and gave me one—I cannot read—this is the piece of paper—I knowit by this writing on it—it is partly printed and partly written—he told me to put it in my pocket, which I did—he asked if I would put on hisleathef apron, which he took off—I did so—he said it would make me look like a shop-boy—I did not think that odd—he told me to go and fetch the stoves

from Mr. Kennard's, in Thames-street—I went there with the track—he went as far as Queenhithe with me, then left me, and told me to go in at the second door, and ask for one of the men at Mr. Kennard's—I did so—I pulled the paper out of my pocket and gave it to Mr. Fimister, the clerks—he did not ask where I came from, but told the men to lower three stoves into the truck, and then one of the gentlemen told me to go on—I went as far as Cannon Wharf, Thames-street—then Allen came up to me and said, "Why did not you bring more?"—he was immediately taken into custody—he wife not then dressed as when he took off the apron—he had then got On Ashley' clothes—they had changed clothes in the mean time.

Allen. Q. What clothes had I when I gave you the order? A. A Man waistcoat and a cap, and I think, corduroy breeches—when I saw you again you had a kind of black frock coat, the same waistcoat and breeches, but a hat.

JONATHAN FIMISTER . I am clerk to Robert William Kennard. Between two and three o'clock on the afternoon of the 24th of March, Henry Cook brought this order—it was presented to me at the desk—I Immediately discovered it to be a forgery, indeed I knew the writer—I directed two or three stoves to be lowered into a truck for the purpose of detecting the writer, and then told Cook, in the officer's presence, in what position he was placed—I dispatched one of our clerks with him, and Allen was secured—I know Mr. Ward and his handwriting—this is not his.

WILLIAM WARD . I am a stove-manufacturer, and live in Tottenharn-street—this paper was not signed by me, or by my authority.

JAMES JANSON (City policeman, No. 483.) In consequence at information I received I accompanied Mr. Wesley, one of Mr. Kennard's clerks, and Cook, with the truck, on Easter Monday afternoon—I went with him as far as Cannon Wharf, Thames-street; where Allen was given Into my custody by Mr. Wesley—he is not here—I did not see Allen come up—I did not see Ashley there—I took him into custody next morning—I took Allen back to Mr. Kennard's warehouse, and he was identified by Mr. Fimister.

Allen. Q. What clothes did I wear when I was taken? A. A black frock coat and a hat—on taking Ashley next day I asked him whose cap he had got—he said Allen's—I asked whose the coat was—he taid it was Allen's coat—he was dressed in a light kind of coat, a different one altogether—he said Allen's coat was at the shop—that he came to him on the previous day and asked him to lend him his jacket to go to Mr. Kennard's after some metal, and he hired a truck.

HENRY PECK . I am a coffee-roaster and live in White Lion Court, Seven Dials—my father lets out trucks—on the afternoon in question the prisoners came to me—Allen said, in Ashley's hearing, that he wanted, a track for Mr. Ashley, the prisoner's father, who had frequently been in the habit of having trucks—I let them have it.

Allen. I am not the person that went for thi truck. Witness. I am sure he is—I had never seen him before, but am certain of him—it was about half-past one o'clock in the day—I had seen Ashley several times before—(order read)—"March 24, 1845. Please to send two of each 22, 24, 26 eliptic stoves. WILLIAM WARD."

Allen's Defence. On Easter Monday morning I went to Ashley's shop, and asked him to lend me his coat and hat, as I was going to Greenwich fair; he said he had got but half an hour's work to do, and he would come after me; as I came up Thames-street this lad nodded at me; I had after

seen him before, and wondered what he wanted, and as I got half-way across the road I was taken into custody.

Ashley's Defence. Allen came to ask me for my coat and hat, to go to Greenwich fair, and asked me to go; I said I had half an hour's work to do, and could not go.

HENRY COOK re-examined. I am sure Allen saw me before he was taken into custody—I was standing in Thames-street, and he came and looked at me first—it was nobody else that sent me on this job—I had never seen him before, but I can tell him by the cast in his eye—he asked me why I had not brought more, and I said, because that was all they gave me.

ALLEN— GUILTY .* Aged 16.— Transported for Seven Years.

(See Fourth Session, page 502.)


Before Mr. Justice Coltman.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-827
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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827. JAMES MAHONEY was indicted for breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Jonathan James Tarrant, on the 6th of March, and stealing therein 1lb. weight of cheroots, value 8s., his goods.

HENRY TURPIN (policeman.) On Thursday, the 6th of March, about a quarter to seven o'clock, I was on duty in Chiswell-street, and saw the prisoner looking in at Mr. Tarrant's window—there was another, six or seven feet from him, by the shutters of the next shop, which were shut—I saw the prisoner leave the window and go to the other—nothing passed between them—the companion went to the same part of the window, and the prisoner remained—they changed places—the companion remained there two or three minutes, then returned to the prisoner, and they changed their caps, and the companion returned again, stood at the window a few minutes, and then returned to the prisoner—they both went to the cigar-shop, remained there a minute or two, and walked back a few yards—I then crossed the street, and secured them both—the prisoner said, "What do you want?"—I said, "You have been robbing the cigar-sbop," and in the struggle his companion got away—I took the prisoner into the cigar-shop, and told the shop-woman I thought she had been robbed—she went out, looked at the window, and said, "Yes, I have"—I found the window broken or cut, and a pound of cheroots gone—I told the prisoner I was policeman, and should take him to the station—I had a struggle with him a in the shop—I got him there at last—I found nothing on him—I afterwards found a knife in his pocket with what appears like putty on it—it is still visible—I searched outside the shop about a quarter of an hour after, and found three cheroots near where I struggled with them, six feet, from the shop, opposite the closed shop—I found a large hole in the prosecutor's window, which I could put my arm in.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Where were you standing? A. Opposite the shop across the street—I saw a gentleman come up on a horse, and stop close by the prisoner—I did not hear the prisoner ask leave to hold his horse—I was not near enough to hear whether he spoke to him—I was in plain clothes—I crossed the road, and said, "What are you lads doing here? you have been robbing the shop"—the prisoner did not say, "I was in hopes of being employed to mind the gentleman's horse"—either he or his companion said something during the bustle, I do not recollect what—I swear I heard nothing about holding a horse—I will swear I did not hear either of them speak a word about a horse—I had one of them in each hand—I

will swear neither of them said they had not been so far as the shop—I didnot ask, "Where are the cigars you have stolen?"—he did not say he had stolen no cigars—the young woman said the window was sound before that, there had been a crack in it, but no hole—I swear she said it was one pound of cheroots, and not cigars that were gone—that I will swear—I found no cigars on the prisoner—this is my signature to this deposition—the shopwoman did not say a quantity of cigars was gone—she said cheroots—I have not altered my evidence because they are called cheroots in the indictment—there is some of the putty still left on the knife—there was another pane of glass cracked at the end of the window—there had been a robbery before, and that pane was blocked up with boxes.

MARY ANN DRABBLE . I live with Mr. Jonathan James Tarrant, who is my stepfather, in Chiswell-street, St. Luke's. The policeman brought the prisoner into the shop—I had observed him five minutes before, looking in at the window, standing just in front of the window which was found broken—the policeman brought him in, and asked if I was aware we had been robbed—I opened the case inside the window, and found 1lb. of cheroots gone—I had seen them safe ten minutes previous—there had been 4lbs. there—I weighed them, and 1lb. was gone—the officer said, "Come outside, and see what is lying on the pavement," and there were three cheroots—that was after I had been to the station—I found a large piece of glass out of the window (it was cracked before, but perfectly safe) a person could put his arm in, and reach the cheroots—they were right in front of the pane—the window forms part of the glass case they were in—when I returned from the station, I found three cheroots on the pavement at the next shop, which was closed—they were precisely the same size and quality as I lost.

Cross-examined. Q. Is not the parish called St. Luke, Old-street? A. I think I have heard it called so—I did not know the quantity of cheroots lost till I weighed them—it was half an hour after that I found three on the pavement—I never saw the prisoner before.


OLD COURT.—Monday, April 14th, 1845.

Third Jury, before Edward Bullock, Esq.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-828
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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828. JOHN PETERSON was indicted for stealing on the 3rd March, 5 pairs of trowsers, value 3l. 2s.; 2 waistcoats, 15s.; 9 shirts, 1l. 19s.; 2 pair of drawers, 6s. 6d.; and 1 pair of stockings, 1s. 6d., the property of Frederick Stephens, in the dwelling-house of John Mace, to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 39.— Confined Six Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-829
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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829. JAMES WHITE was indicted for stealing on the 23rd March, at St. Clement Danes, 9 sovereigns, the monies of Mary Symonds, in her dwelling-house, to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Twelve Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-830
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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830. GEORGE JUST was indicted for stealing 6 brass tubes, value 3s. 6d., the goods of Moritz Platow and another, his masters, to which he pleaded

GUILTY , Aged 44.— Confined Six Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-831
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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831. ROBERT GIBSON was indicted for stealing on the 5th of April, 19 shillings, and 2 sixpences, the monies of James Davies, his master; and that he had been before convicted of felony, to which he pleaded

GUILTY .— Transported for Seven Years.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-832
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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832. SARAH COE was indicted for stealing 4 half-crowns, 7 shillings, and 6 sixpences, the monies of Thomas Jones, her master, to which she pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 27.— Confined Four Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-833
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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833. CHARLES JACKSON was indicted for stealing 1 pair of stockings, value 4 1/2d., the goods of Hughes Phillips; and that he had been before convicted of felony.

CHARLES ARCHER . I live in Brunswick-place, Westminster—On the 5th of April I saw the prisoner with two others at the corner of Strutton-ground—I watched them—one of them used b very bad word—I watched them at several places, till they got to Mr. Phillips's, and saw the prisoner take a pair of stockings from the door, and put them in his pocket—I went over, took hold of him, and he threw them on the ground—I took them up, and took him into the shop.

BENJAMIN THEAKER . I was shopman to Hughes Phillips, of Tothill-street, Westminster—Archer brought the prisoner into the shop with these stockings, which are master's.

JOHN MARSHALL (policeman B 16.) I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction from the Middlesex Sessions (read—Convicted on the 2nd Jan., 6th Vict., of larceny, confined fourteen days and whipped)—I was present, and he is the person.

GUILTY . Aged 15.— Confined Three Months.

Before Mr. Justice Coltman.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-834
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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834. CHARLES STOCKINS was indicted for stealing on the 2nd Sept. 1 mare, value 30l., the property of Charles Beavan. 2nd COUNT, stating it to be the property of Ann Lydia Savage.

MR. BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

ANN LYDIA SAVAGE . I keep the Red Hart Livery-stables, Fetter-lane. In 1843, the prisoner was in my employ, as ostler—I did not keep any other man—at the latter end or August that year I had a grey mare in my stables, the property of Mr. Charles Beavan—I went from home on Thursday, 23rd Aug., and did not return till the following evening about seven o'clock, or later—I had heard something, and the prisoner came and told me he had taken Mr. Beavan's mare to Tattersall's, but as there was not room enough for it, he had brought it back, and would take it again—next morning, in consequence of what I heard, I said, "Now, Charles, I am going into the City, you will not move till I return, it will not be time to take Mr. Beavan's mare till six in the evening," meaning six o'clock on Saturday evening—this conversation was on Friday night, and I repeated it on Saturday morning—he made no reply on Friday evening, but in the morning when I was going out, I said, "Now, Charles, I am going into the City, don't you move from the yard till my return"—this was about eleven o'clock—he said nothing about having seen Mr. Webb about the mare, or Mr. Bedsor—I came back about half-past one o'clock—I found the prisoner gone, and the mare also—I did not see him again till he was in custody, a short time ago—the mare was brought back by a

policeman on the Monday—I have seen the prisoner's writing In our book which he kept, and he said it was his writing—I believe this receipt to he his writing.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. It was not your practice to interfere much in the yard? A. I interfered as much as I could—he absconded, and I ordered the policeman to look for him.

CHARLES BEAVAN , Esq. I am a barrister—I have chambers in Lincoln's-inn—in August, 1843, I had a mare standing at Mrs. Savage's stbles—on Thursday, the 31st, I gave the prisoner directions to take it to Tattersall's on Friday, to be sold on the following Monday—I believe they require a horse to be there one day on view—the policeman fetched me to Mr. Webb's stable, in Gray's Inn-lane, on the Monday—I there found my mare—it was taken from there—the inspector and several of the police were there—I know nothing of this receipt—I have no clerk named Clark—it was never written by my authority—I believe I had named 25l. as the price of the mare in the prisoner's hearing—he stated to me previous to the Thursday that a butcher had made an offer for it—I do not recollect the sum he named, but it was so small I declined it—I never gtfe him authority to sell it.

Cross-examined. Q. Of course you have well considered the last answer? A. I have not the slightest doubt about it—an action has been brought against me for taking the mare from Webb's, and a verdict against me—a rule is pending for a new trial—I have sold the mare to the sane gentleman that Webb had sold her to—it wat to be sold for what she would fetch, but I do not remember telling the prisoner so.

Q. Did not you tell the prisoner to take her to Tattersall's, and sell her far what she would fetch? A. I should say it would be inconsistent to say so—my belief is that I did not—I have not the slightest doubt in my mind that I did not.

Q. Do you recollect the prisoner telling you he had a conversation with Bedsor about the mare when you came in a cab, and your saying you thought you could get 20l. for it? A. I do not recollect it, and believe I did not say so—I swear I did not say, "Well, Charles, you will see the person about buying the mare in the morning; if he does not buy her I do not intend to keep her any longer, as she is no use to me, as she is eating her head off"—I recollect his telling me he had anoffer from a butcher—he told me the price, and I declined to sell her—I never said, "Sell her at Tattersall's, or anywhere else"—I directed him to take her to Tattersall's, and did not fix any price—I do not believe I said, "Let her go for what she will fetch"—I believe I did not—it is two years ago—I am quite certain I did not.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Did you give him autority to sell the horse to any person otherwise than Tattersall's? A. I never gave him authority to sell it—he was merely to take her to Tattersall's—all the five persons Who could be called as witnesses were included in the action; two policemen, the sergeant and inspector of police, Mr. Winpenny and Mr. Savage, a relative of Miss Savage's—it was brought against all the persons who had any share in taking away the horse.

COURT. Q. When you gave him the horse to take to Tattersall's, was any direction given to Tattersall's what to do with her? A. It was my intention to call there next day—the custom is to send a groom with the horse, who brings a receipt, and then call yourself with directions—I

should have gone there, probably, and have seen about it, but I intended to sell it for what it would fetch—I sent no directions by the prisoner, no further than to take the horse to Tattersall's to be sold on Monday—I believe that was the only direction I gave.

THOMAS BEDSOR . I am a butcher, residing in Fetter-lane. I saw a grey mare at Miss Savage's stable, in August, 1843—I had made an offer for it—on the Friday before the prisoner went away he came to me, at four or five o'clock in the afternoon, on the mare, and said he had taken the mare to Tattersall's, and the would not take her in—next morning (Saturday) he came, about ten o'clock, or soon after—he did not bring the mare then, but said she was to be sold without reserve, and asked me the most I would give for her—I said 20l.—he said I could have her for 25l.—I said I would not give any more I said I should want a warranty—he went away, came back in three quarters of an hour, and said he would go to Mr. Beavan's office, and see if I could have the mare or not—he came back with a paper in his hand, and said I was to have it at the price, and he had brought a receipt for the money—I was busy at the time, and told him I would come over to Miss Savage's yard about it in the afternoon, when I was more at leisure—he went away.

WILLIAM WEBB . I am a livery-stable keeper, in Gray's Inn-lane. On Friday, the 1st of Sept., 1843, about the middle of the day, or a little later, the prisoner came to my yard with a grey mare—he proposed to sell her to me—he asked 25l.—I told him that was more than could give, 15l. or 16l. was as much as I could give—he said 20l. had been offered—I told him to take it, and let the parties have it—he came again next day, about two or three o'clock, with the mare, and asked what I would give him if he got me the mare for 16l.—I agreed to give him 10s. for himself—he told me she would be warranted sound, and quiet in harness—he left me to get it—he returned in about a quarter of an hour or twenty minutes, with this receipt written, all but the warranty—I objected to take it without the warranty being inserted in the receipt—he was gone about twenty minutes again, and brought it back with the warranty in it, as it is now, signed, "Clark"—he said Clark was Mr. Beavan's confidential clerk, and that Mr. Beavan was either ill or out of town—I paid him 16l. 10s.—he staid there while I put the mare in harness, and then left—on the following Monday the police broke open my stable door, and took the mare away—the mare was seen by Mr. Beavan while the police were there.

Cross-examined. Q. You recovered damages against them in an action? A. Yes.

FREDERICK RUSSELL (police-sergeant.) In consequence of a complaint made to me about this horse, I went to Webb's stable—I sent for Mr. Beavan, who came and identified the mare—I have been endeavouring to find the prisoner from that time—I found him on the 20th of March last, at the Bull-inn, Cambridge, in bed—I told him I had come to take him for stealing a mare from Miss Savage's livery-stable—he said it could not be, not for that; he said he was sorry for it, but it was too late now—on the way home I asked him how long he staid in London—he said he left London the same night, and had not been up to London since—I asked him what he did with the money—he said he had had a fortnight's spree with it—he said he wrote the receipt himself.

Cross-examined. Q. You seemed to have quite a confidential communication? A. We had a conversation on the mail—it was a very cold

night—I did not know for certain that he was at Cambridge two days before I went—I had not heard that he was at Cambridge two days before I went—I had not heard he was there a month or a week before I went—I did not admit on the trial that I had heard for months that he was there—I was examined at Guildhall on the 11th.

MR. BODKIN. Q. You were one of the defendants in the action? A. Yes.

GUILTY. Aged 24.—Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor. Confined Twelve Months.

Before Mr. Baron Platt.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-835
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty

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835. WILLIAM JAGGER was indicted for stealing, on the 7th of Aug., at St. George Hanover-square, 1 coffee-pot, value 8l.; 1 pair of candlesticks, 13l.; 1 dish, 20l.; the goods of Francis William Wynn; 1 cup, value 1l., the goods of Richard Thomas Rowley: 1 cup, value 1l., the goods of William Shipley Conwy: 1 tureen and cover, value 46l.; 1 handbell, 2l.; 2 candlesticks, 12l. 1 and 1 silver plate. 8l.; the goods of Charlotte Shipley, his mistress, in her dwelling-house— also, on the 19th of March, 1844, 58 spoons, value 50l.; 1 pair of salt-cellars, 5l.; 12 knives, 15l.; 54 forks, 50l.; 1 sauceboat and cover, 12l.; 1 saucepan, 4l.; 1 inkstand, 5l.; 1 pair of asparagus-tongs, 2l.; and 1 pair of saltcellars, 5l.; the goods of Francis William Wynn; 2 travelling-cases, value 10l.; 1 saucepan, 1l.; the goods of Richard Thomas Rowley; 1 candle-stick, value 5l.; 1 bread-basket, 12l.; the goods of William Shipley Conwy; 1 spoon, value 10s.; 1 lamp, 1l.; 1 tea-pot, 10l.; 4 cups, 5s.; 1 plate, 8l.; 2 dishes, 12l.; 2 waiters, 17l.; 1 butter-boat, 12l.; 1 canstick, 6l.; 15 forks, 10l.; 1 lamp pap-boat, 3l.; 1 coffee-pot, 3l.; and 1 silver basket, 10l.; the goods of the said Charlotte Shipley, in her dwelling-house; to both of which he pleaded

GUILTY. Aged 37.—Recommended to mercy. Confined Two Years.

Before Mr. Baron Platt.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-836
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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836. THOMAS KEMP was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Thomas Whitbread, on the 20th of March, at Heston, and stealing therein 1 gown, value 10s.; and 1 cape, 1s.; his goods.

ANN WHITBRBAD . I am the wife of Thomas Whitbread, and live at Soutball-green. On the 20th of March I went out, at twenty minutes before eight o'clock in the morning, to take my husband's breakfast to him, where he worked—I locked the door, and took the key with me—there are only two rooms to the house, one up stairs and one down, and there is no back door—the window was fastened and nailed—I returned at nine and found the door open, and the staple drawn—I went up stairs, and dress and cape were gone from my box—the prisoner is my husbond's uncle—these are the things—I know them by the lining being joined all round the bottom.

PHILIP HUMPHRIES . I am a pawnbroker—a man brought this dress and cape to me on the 20th of March, about ten o'clock in the morning—my daughter was present when it was pawned.

ELIZABETH HUMPHREYS . I recollect the gown and cape being pawned, and recollect the prisoner sufficiently to say he is the man—he aaked 4s. or 5s. on it.

Prisoner. Why not swear to me when I was first taken? I think

it is a made-up job. Witness. I was not at the police-office—the officer took me to Newgate last Tuesday, and I saw the prisoner in the yard, with other persons—I do not how many—he was rather dark, and had dark hair, not quite black—I did not notice his eyebrows—he had on a cord jacket, I think, I am not sure—I do not know what waistcoat—I did not go more by the dress than anything, when I saw him in prison—I went by his face—I cannot say what part of his face is remarkable.

MATTHEW DAVIS . I live about 100 yards from Whftbread's house—about eight o'clock in the morning in question I was in my father's garden, and heard a crash—my back was towards the house—I turned round, and saw the prisoner inside the doorway, and the door was broken open—I saw him shut the door—I knew him before by sight very well—I did not see him come out—being the prosecutor's uncle I did not suspect anything.

Prisoner. Q. How do you know it was me? A. Because I saw you in the house—I was just crossing my father's garden—it is not fifty yards from the prosecutor's—you were in the act of going in at the door, and turned round and shut the door—I saw your face, and I am sure you are the man.

ELIZABETH BUCKLAM . I know the prisoner—I have seen him several times—I live four or five yards from the prosecutor's—on the 20th March, about eight o'clock in the morning, the prisoner came to me and asked me where Mrs. Whitbread was—I said I did not know, and went in doors—I heard a strange noise almost directly after—it was very loud, and appeared as if the house was broken open, but I did not take any notice—the noiie appeared very close, in a direction from Whitbread's house.

Prisoner. Q. Had you ever seen me before? A. Yes, I am certain of you.

Prisoner's Defence. I was at home with my wife at a quarter after six in the morning; I got up and went out for a job; I came back at a quarter past nine and had breakfast; I was never near that part until the middle of the day.

GUILTY . Aged 25.— Confined Three Months.

Before Mr. Justice Coltman.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-837
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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837. JOHN HUNT was indicted for a robbery on Johanna Biles, on the 12th of March, and stealing from her person, and against her will, 1 purse value 2d.; and 9 shillings; the property of Joshua Biles; and immediately before, at the time of, and after the said robbery, beating, striking, and using other personal violence to her.

JOHANNA BILES . I am the wife of Jeremiah Biles—on the 12th of March, between eight and nine o'clock in the evening, I was going home over Westminster bridge with my brother—a tall man spoke to me—I did not take any notice of him but walked on, and he gave me a violent blow in the neck—I turned round to see who struck me, and felt something at my side catch hold of me—I found it was the prisoner's hand in my pocket—I seized his hand, got hold of it, and found my purse containing 9s. in hit hand—I held him till my brother went and got an officer—he would not give me the purse—I held his hand, and never let go of him till he saw the policeman coming—he then gave me the money—he followed me and abused me, and called me everything he could think of—he followed roe from about the middle of the bridge till I got over the bridge, about five yards—I then saw the policeman and gave him in charge—when he saw the policeman

he tried to run away, and the policeman took him—he did not let go of the purse till he saw the policeman—the policeman was crossing the road at the time—he still kept following me for about five yards—there was only one policeman—there were a great many more young boys and a man with him—while I was holding the purse the other boys told me to let him go, they pinched and knocked my arms to make me let go—I stuck to him till he gave the purse up—I gave the purse and money to the policeman.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. The money was in the purse? A. Yes—the tall man said something to me, I do not know what—he did not pinch my arm till I had hold of the prisoner—I forced the purse out of the prisoner's hand and said, "You young wretch, will you rob me?"—I held his band, but he did not give it up till he saw the policeman—there was nothing to prevent his going away—I do not know whether the man was with him—I laid hold of him, but when the policeman came up, I let go, and he thought to run away—I was confused.

Q. Was not the first thing that happened the tall man coming and pinching your arm? A. No, he struck me first—he did not follow me sad hit me on the neck after he had pinched me—I really cannot say—I think he struck me—I cannot recollect further till I had hbold of the boy—my brother went for the policeman before I said to the prisoner, "You young wretch, you have robbed me"—another man held him for a time and then let him go—I fainted away on the bridge from the ill usage I got—I laid bold of him again when I saw the policeman coming up—it was before that that he ran away—I did not run after him—a man caught him—that was the time I fainted away on the bridge from the ill-usage I got—I knew the prisoner again—when I laid hold of him he ran away, and the policeman caught hold of him—I had let go of him in consequence of fainting—I cannot say what became of him then—he escaped from me after I laid hold of him, but not out of my sight—I saw the policeman catch him—I cannot recollect what happened when I fainted—I fainted before the policeman came up, and after I had got the purse from him—I went to the station-house with him—I am certain he is the same boy—he wore a green coat—I made a mark to my deposition—I do not know whether this is it.

JOHN MACK . I was with my sister Johanna Biles—as we went over Westminster bridge a tall man, dressed like a gentleman, came up to my sister and pinched her arm—she told me to take no notice of him—we walked on further and they gave her a blow in the neck—she then turned round and caught the prisoner's hand in her pocket—I believe she called him a young vagabond or young wretch—she caught hold of his two arms and asked him if he wanted to rob her—he did not answer—she said she wished her husband was by—he asked her how many husbands she had—she told me to go for a policeman—he followed her all over the bridge—I went on but could not find a policeman until I got to the end of the bridge—I found one there—the prisoner was walking over the bridge with her—the others that were him were following her, abusing her, and wanting her to let him go—when we got to the end of the bridge I found a policeman—when I returned she gave him in charge—I found her holding him, and all the others were pinching her arms and hitting her with their fists—she kept hold of him till the policeman came up as far as I saw—I did not see him run away.

GUILTY of Larceny from the person.—Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutrix. —Aged 16.— Confined Twelve Months.

Before Mr. Baron Platt

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-838
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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838. WILLIAM HARRINGTON was indicted for stealing, on the 4th of April, 1 carpet-bag, value 3l.; 2 blankets, 18s.; 1 pair of trowwn 18s.; 1 clock, 1l. 8s.; 1 set of bed-furniture, 1l. 10s.; and 8 sovereigns, the goods and monies of Hyacinth Soswinskie, in the dwelling-house of Mary Budd.

HYACINTH SOSWINSKIE (through an interpreter.) I am a labourer in the London Docks, and live at No. 5, Plough-street, Whitechapel. I remember the night on which my wife left me—I came home the night-before from my work, and my wife was not at home—that was last Fridty—I have two children—they were not at home—I missed a cloak, two blankets, a set of bed-curtains, a carpet-bag, a pair of trowsers, 21lbs. weight, of bacon, 8l. in gold, and some silver, which I did not count—I also missed all my wife's and children's clothes—I had known the prisoner about three months—my wife calls him her cousin—my wife had been out on the Thursday, the day before, and came home in the evening with the prisoner—they were both a little intoxicated—I let the prisoner sleep with one of my children that night, as my wife proposed it—I went to work on Friday morning about a quarter before six o'clock, leaving the prisoner in the passage of the house dressed—I never saw my wife again until I was before the Magistrate.

MARY BUDD. , I am the wife of Henry Budd, and keep a shop in the general line at No. 5, Crown-street, Whitechapel. The prosecutor occupied one room on my first floor—he and his wife and two children all slept in that room—they occupied it two years and a half—I remember the Friday his wife left—it was last Friday week—I was unwell at the time, and was lying in my bed—my bed-room door faces the prosecutor's—on that Friday morning I saw a man named Barefield, who frequently visited the house, come up stairs—he searched for a key in the stair-case window, where it was kept when they were out, and went and opened the prosecutor's room door—I was sitting up in bed and saw this, the door being left open—I saw him go into the room, and the door shut to after him—after that my husband came up stairs to get his work, and as he went out of the room again I saw Barefield with his face to the prosecutor's door, and his back to my door—my husband shut the room door, and I saw no more—about ten o'clock in the morning, before I laid down, the prisoner's father came to inquire for him—I told him he was not within—I knew the prisoner was Mrs. Soswinskie's cousin—his father tried the room door, and searched for the key, but could not find it—at twelve o'clock I came down stairs—the door was secure then—at two o'clock I went up to lie down again, and found the door had been opened, and the key left in the lock—at six o'clock in the evening Barefield came again—I did not see him go away—he appeared rather in liquor.

HARRIET JAMES . I am the wife of Thomas James, and live in Thrawl-street, Brick-lane, Spitalfields. Barefield rented my two pair back rooro—last Friday week I was sitting at my window at needle-work, and saw a cab stop at the door—the prisoner was in the cab—he opened the door and jumped out before the cabman got off the box—he opened the door of the house and proceeded up stairs to Barefield's room—there wss nobody in the room but two of Barefield's children, and two of the prosecutor's—neither Barefield nor his wife were there—the prisoner came down again almost immediately, and brought down a green and red carpet-bag,

and placed it in the cab—the cab man shut the door—he returned up again with a large bundle, in either a sheet or table-cloth, and put it into the cab—he met Mrs. Soswinskie at the door with a cloak and tea-eaddy—he put them into the cab—she had a baby in her left arm—he put her into the cab, and jumped into the cab with her—the cab door was shut—he called the cab man to the window—the cab turned round and went towards Bethnal-green.

Cross-examined by MR. WILDE. Q. How long had these parties lived with you? A. I am not the landlady—I have been there seven years—Barefield came to lodge there since Christmas—he had the two pair back room.

WM. JOHNSON (policeman.) On the Monday before last I apprehended the prisoner in Wellington-place, Liverpool-road, Islington—the prosecutor gave him into custody, and charged him with stealing 8l. in gold—the prisoner said he knew nothing of it—I took him to the station—I found two penny pieces and a duplicate upon him, but nothing relating to this case—he said, "His wife is my cousin"—that about two months ago he had visited them and dined with them on a Sunday, and that she said she had some money to take, and she asked him to lend her 12s., which he did, and she said when she came back she would pay him—that she asked him to come and see her, which he did on Thursday night—that the husband was cross to the children, and that she could not stop and live with him any longer, and she would take away her things and money in the morning—I did not hear him say that she invited him to breakfast.

Cross-examined. Q. Did the prosecutor make the charge against the prisoner in English? A. No, he could not speak English.


7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-839
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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839. THOMAS BAREFIELD was indicted for stealing, on the 4th of April, 21lbs. weight of bacon, value 11s. 7d.; the goods of Hyacinth Soswinskie.

HYACINTH SOSWINSKIE . I am a Pole. I live at 5, Plough-street, White-chapel, and am a labourer in the London Docks. Last Friday week, when I came from work, I missed my wife and children, eight sovereigns, some silver, some bed-furniture, blankets, bacon, and other things—I knew the prisoner before that day.

Cross-examined by MR. WILDE. Q. Did you live at Reading some time ago? A. Yes, I then worked at the Railway—I married my wife from Reading—she was servant at the house where I resided, and was about sixteen years old—I did not know that recently she has received a legacy of 11l. odd—I did not know it until I went to her uncle—I know the bacon was bought with the money she had given to her.

COURT. Q. Were the eight sovereigns part of the money she got? A. Yes—all the things she took were bought with the pension I received from Government—the things I missed I had taken out of pledge—I received 2l. as a pension.

MR. WILDE. Q. Can you swear that any sovereigns were in the box? A. Yes, they were there on the Friday morning—I told my wife, before I married her, that I was a Pole, and of a very respectable family, and had a small farm—I never said I would introduce her to my very aristocratic relations—I said I would better her condition, because when I took her

she was almost naked—I worked very hard on the Railway at that time, and got 2l. from the Polish fund, as a refugee—I am forty-six years old.

MARY BUDD . My husband keeps No. 5, Plough-street, Wbitechapel. On the morning of last Friday week I saw the prisoner come up stairs—he felt about for the key, found it, and opened the prosecutor's door—he went into the room, and came out again—I came down myself at twelve o'clock—the door was shut then—I went up again at two, and found it open—I saw the prisoner again about six o'clock that evening—he came into our shop, and inquired for Mrs. Soswinskie—he said he wanted her, and asked if she had come home—I asked why he asked the question—he made no answer—I said, "You had the key, and entered Mrs. Soswinskie's room this morning"—he said, yes, he knew he did—I said, "Yes, I saw you"—he said, "Yes, I know you saw me, and I saw you"—he said he was sent for the piece of bacon—that Mrs. Soswinskie sent him, and told him if he would fetch it, she would give him 2lbs. of it—that he took it, and he also confessed to leaving the door open at the dinner hour, and that he partook of the bacon and eggs with Mrs. Soswinskie.

GEORGE DUNK (policeman.) I took the prisoner—he said she wished him to go and fetch the bacon for her, and told him where to find the key to open the door—he said he only took the bacon.


OLD COURT.—Tuesday, April 15th, 1845.

Fourth Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-840
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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840. EDWIN COOK was indicted for stealing, on the 9th of April, 18oz. of fat, value 6d., the goods of David Dawkes, his master; to which he pleaded

GUILTY. Aged 20.—Recommended to mercy. Confined Two Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-841
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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841. THOMAS CLARK was indicted for stealing, on the 8th of April, at St. George Hanover-square, 1 clock, value 6l., the goods of Claude Edward Scott, in his dwelling-house; to which he pleaded

GUILTY .— Confined Six Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-842
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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842. DAVID WATKINS was indicted for embezzling 1s., which he had received on account of George Dowsett, his master; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Two Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-843
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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843. ANN WALL was indicted for stealing, on the 20th of March, 1 handkerchief, value 1s., the goods of Henry Oliver: and 1 shawl, 8s. 6d.; 2 printed books, 1s.; and 1 pencil-case; the goods of Eliza Oliver, her mistress: to which she pleaded

GUILTY .— Confined Four Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-844
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty

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844. EDWARD GREGG was indicted for stealing, on the 20th of Oct., 1 saw, value 3s.; 1 hammer, 2s.; and 1 pair of compasses, 1s.; the goods of Jacob Pickering Putley: also, on the 23rd of March, 32 chisels, 1l. 12s. and 1 hammer, 4s.; the goods of George Peake: also, on the 26th of Dec., 1 plane, 3s.; and 1 saw, 1s. 6d.; the goods of William Toomer, his master; and that he had been before convicted of felony: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 52.— Confined One Year.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-845
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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845. CHARLES PARFITT was indicted for stealing, on the 10th of April, 1 decanter, value 3s. 6d., the goods of Thomas Pearce; to which he pleaded

GUILTY .— Confined One Month.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-846
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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846. HENRY THOMAS was indicted for stealing, on the 28th of March, at St. Ann Westminster, 2 coats, value 3l.; 8 spoons, 8s.; 1 hone, 6d.; 1 handkerchief, 6d.; 2 boots, 2s. 6d.; 2 forks, 1s. 6d.; and 2 ladles, 1s. 6d.; the goods of James Smith, in his dwelling-house; and afterwards, about five in the night, burglariously breaking out of the said dwelling-house.

JOHANNA CALLAGHAN . I am servant to Mr. James Smith, of No. 14, Soho-square. On Friday night, the 28th of March, about eight o'clock, the prisoner knocked at the door, and gave me a note to take to my master, and I was to bring him an answer—I took it to my master, and he told me to send the boy up—I saw no more of him until about twenty minutes after, when he knocked at the door again—(I had not seen him go out)—he asked me for liberty to stop in the passage until his master came—I told him I would go up and ask my master, which I did, and he told me to let him stop for a while—he stopped for about half an hour—as I was going up stairs with a tray and some tea things, the prisoner said to me, "I don't suppose my master will come to-night, it is getting rather late"—I said, "I dare say not, it is getting on for ten o'clock"—he stood np, and as I went out of the passage I heard him open the street door and bang it, as I thought, after him, but whether he went out or not I cannot tell—about ten minutes before six o'clock in the morning, as I was in my bed-room, I thought I heard footsteps on the stairs—I went out, and thought I heard the chain drop from the street door—I hurried down stairs at quick as I could, and saw the prisoner on the step at the door, putting on my master's boots—he had a bundle, in which I had seen a coat of my master's—another coat laid by it—I took it up, and said to the prisoner, "What brought you here at this early hour in the morning?"—he said he came about his master's business—I said, "No, I think you are about my master's business"—with that he took the bundle and ran into the street—I ran after him, and hallooed, "Thief, thief!" as quick as I could, till I lost sight of him—he let the bundle drop in the street—I afterwards picked it up—it contained the spoons, handkerchief, boots, and ladles, stated, which are my master's.

Prisoner. Q. Can you swear I am the person you saw in the house? A. I am confident you are.

ROBERT OXER (police-constable C 111.) I heard a cry of "Stop thief!" and stopped the prisoner as he was running along Carlisle-street—I did not see Callaghan, but, from information I received from parties who were after him, I took him back to No. 14, Soho-square, where Callaghan immediately identified him—the bundle containing this property was given to me—it was about five minutes before six o'clock when I took him—I will swear it had not struck six—I found this hone on the prisoner—the prosecutor's house is in the parish of St. Ann.

JAMES SMITH . This hone is mine, and the other property also.

Prisoner's Defence. I am not the person that was in the house; on hearing the cry of "Stop thief!" I ran with the rest, and was taken; I do not know anything about the hone.

GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined One Year.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-847
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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847. SAMUEL SMITH was indicted for feloniously assaulting William Sparks, on the 17th of March, and cutting and wounding him on the head, with intent to do him some grievous bodily harm.

MR. HORRY conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM SPARKS (police constable H 118.) On Monday evening, the 17th of March, I heard cries of "Police!" from Mr. Sainsbury's house—I went there, and saw Mr. Sainsbury having hold of somebody—I received charge of that person—I saw the prisoner and a number of other persons there—an attempt at rescue was made—I observed the prisoner in the crowd, but did not observe him do anything—I was knocked down by a blow from the person I had in my custody—Mr. Sainsbury was also knocked down—while down I received another blow on my head, I cannot tell what with—it rendered me insensible for nearly ten minutes—I was lifted up, and taken to the surgeon's—I was off duty for three weeks, in consequence.

JAMES THOMAS SAINSBURY . I keep a beer-shop. On Monday evening, the 17th of March, I went up stairs, and found a man kicking a woman—he was taken into custody—I saw the prisoner there—he and the crowd tried to rescue the person—as soon as the prisoner found he could not get him away, he left the house—I was knocked down, and as I was getting up I saw the prisoner come to the cill of the door, and throw a stone at the policeman, which struck him on the head—it was bigger than ray double fists—the stone now produced was picked up two minutes afterwards—it was apparently as big as that—the policeman was on the ground at the time, across my legs—Wilson, my waiter, was standing at the door.

Prisoner. Q. Did you see a tall cab man in the room at the time? A. Yes—I did not swear before Mr. Broughton or Mr. Bingham that it was the cab man that threw the stone—(the witness's deposition, being read, agreed with his evidence)—I never said it was a cab man named Barnett who threw the stone—I always said it was you—I should say there were five or six persons in the passage when the disturbance took place—I was facing the door, and distinctly saw you come to the cill of the door and throw the stone at the policeman as he laid on the floor—it was not dark in the passage—the bar was not shut—there were two gas-lights burning—there were several persons outside the door, but I swear positively that I saw you throw the stone—I did not pick it up myself—I saw it lying on the floor—there was a tall cab man in the row—I did not go with the officers to Cate-street to take him for throwing the stone—I do not know by what name you were apprehended—you go by three or four names, I believe.

WILLIAM WILSON . I was waiter to Mr. Sainsbury. On the 17th of March, when the disturbance took place, there was an attempt to rescue the man that was given into custody—I was at the door—there was a scuffle in the passage—I saw the prisoner go out of the house—he came back to the door while I was standing there—I saw his hand up, and saw

something pass close by my face—it struck the policeman on the head—I cannot swear it came out of the prisoner's hand, but his arm was in motion, and the stone passed at the same moment.

Prisoner. Q. Did you see a tall cab man in the row? A. Yes—I do not know whether you were apprehended in the name of Barnett—I was with the officers—you were in the row the whole of the time—you went out of the house for a minute or two—you were sitting up in the room, perhaps, half an hour before the row commenced, and the others too—all the party came up stairs nearly together—the cab man went out, and returned with a man, who, the moment he came up, flung a woman violently on the floor—you did not kick up any disturbance up stairs or down stairs.

JAMES GOOCH . I am a carman, and live in Brick-lane, Whitechapel. I was at Sainsbury's on the evening of the 17th of March—I went out to get another policeman, and while I was out I saw the prisoner outside the house, standing among some others at the door—I saw him walk across the road, and pick up something, I cannot say what—it appeared heavy—he returned with it towards the door—I did not see him do anything with it—I turned the other way.

Prisoner. Q. Did you ever lodge at Mr. Sainsbury's? A. No—I very seldom use the house—there were several men outside at the time I was before the bar, and there might have been four or five inside, I do not think more—I saw the man and woman that were fighting in the passage—I should say there were four or five persons there at that time—I saw a tall cab man there—I did not state before the Magistrate that it was the cab man threw the stone—it was dark outside the house—there was gas in the passage—I could discern you pick up something.

THOMAS MEARS . I am surgeon of the police at Whitechapel. I had the prosecutor under my care on the 17th of March—he had received a severe contused wound at the top of the head—it extended to the bone—a stone like this, thrown, might have produced it—he was three weeks under my care before he could take his duty at all, and I have seen him occasionally up to the present time—it was a very serious injury.

Prisoner's Defence. I went into Sainsbury's house with another man to hear a song; in about half an hour a party came in; a man assaulted his wife, and kicked up a disturbance; I went down stairs, went outside, and stood among the crowd; I did not interfere, and had three witnesses to prove it, who were before the Magistrate, and here all last week, but, being poor, I could not pay them any more; I do not know why Mr. Sainsbury has got this up against me, except it is because I told the Magistrate he kept a disorderly house, where there are males and females from eleven to sixteen years of age; Mr. Broughton would not take his evidence till they brought Gooch against me; the warrant was granted for a man named Barnett, a cab man who was in the disturbance.

GUILTY . Aged 57.

Judgment Respited.

(Mr. Cope, the governor, stated that the prisoner had been imprisoned for uttering counterfeit coin, and once been transported.)

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-848
VerdictsGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown

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848. JULIA JESSY PAYNE was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Susanna Brown, on the 3rd of Feb., at St. Dunstan Stebonheath, alias Stepney , and stealing therein 1 writing-desk, value 10s.; 4 lockets, 6l.; 2 rings, 12l.; 1 pair of spectacles, 25s.; 2 pencil-cases, 17s.; 1 pair of clasps, 10s.; 1 pen-holder, 5s.; 1 spoon, 5s.; 1 night-gown, 4s.; 1 dressing-gown, 4s.; 2 purses, 2s.; 9 keys 1s.; 1 pocket-book, 1s.; 4 account-books, 4s.; 2 20l., 1 10l., and 3 5l. Bank-notes, her property; and 1 watch-chain, 3l.; 1 pencil-case 15s.; 2 breast-pins and chain, 5s.; and 1 handkerchief, 2s.; the goods of Frederick William Brown: and JOHN FRANCIS WHITE , for feloniously receiving the same, well knowing them to have been stolen: he was also charged as an accessary after the fact.

MESSRS. BALLANTINE and HUDDLESTON conducted the Prosecution.

MARGARET TAYLOR . I am lady's-maid to Mrs. Brown, of New Grove. On the 3rd of Feb., about half-past six o'clock in the afternoon, I placed a desk in her bed-room—I went into that bed-room again about half-past nine, and missed some night things—I went to the house-maid to ask if she had moved them, and afterwards took my mistress into the room—we then missed the writing-desk—next day I went outside the house, and saw footmarks leading up to the window of the room in which the things were the night before—I should imagine they were the footmarks of one person—they were small—the window is about ten feet from the ground—there is a building under the window, and ivy growing by the side of it—I should say any one could get up by means of the ivy on to the building, and so in at the window; I tried it myself.

FREDERICK WILLIAM BROWN . I live with my mother, at New Grove, Mile-end, in the parish of Stepney. About three years ago the prisoner lived with my mother—the window which was entered is in a wing of the house, and belongs to a room which is generally called the nursery—it is very easy to get from that room to my mother's bed-room—the nursery window has no pulleys—there is a fastening to it to keep it down, but nothing to keep it up, on being opened it would immediately slip down again—I have seen the window since—the breaking was Just in a place from which the fastening could be reached—it bad not been broken before that night.

MRS. SUSANNA BROWN . I am the mother of last witness. On the 3rd of Feb. my attention was called to my bed-room by Taylor, about half-past nine o'clock, and I missed my desk—it contained two 20l. notes and a 10l. note, in a purple pocket-book—I do not know the numbers of the notes—they were given to me for my own private use by my husband, who was an elder brother of the Trinity-house—I also missed a diamond ring off a pincushion and two miniatures from the looking-glass drawer.

JOHN MANNING (police-constable K 379.) On Monday, the 3rd of Feb., I was sent for to Mrs. Brown's—I saw the window in question, and found a breaking sufficient to enable a person easily to get at the fastening—I examined the foot-marks—they were those of a female, and of one person only—I received a description of the female prisoner that day, and searched for her—information was given at the different stations, and inquiries made in the neighbourhood—I ultimately traced her to Gloucester-street, Hackney-road—I went there on the 4th of March, with Milstead—the door was closed, and the two prisoners were at the door—I said to White, "You must consider yourself as my prisoner"—he said, "What for? what is the matter?"—I said, "For a robbery that took place at Mrs. Brown's, in the Mile End-road, about a month since"—he said he knew nothing about it—I then said, "I must search your apartment," which he said I should do, and I then searched the back room on the ground floor—they led the way—Payne was before me, in custody in the room—the door was opened

and Milstead with Payne entered through the passage, the door was open, and we went into the back room on the ground floor—White did not say the apartment was his, and he did not say it was not—in that apartment I found this desk, ring, seal, two miniatures, silver pencil-case, caddy-spoon, and a pair of gold spectacles, with a great quantity of new furniture, three rings, a brooch, some gold shirt-studs, a hair watch-guard, and a variety of other articles, some duplicates, and this card.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Did not he keep saying that he knew nothing whatever of the robbery? A. He did—I have not got the landlady of the house here.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. You charged him with being a party to the robbery, I believe? A. Yes—I did not charge him with receiving the property.

Payne. Q. Where did you find the duplicates? A. They were found on you by the searcher, at the station, not in your apartment.

HENRY MILSTEAD (police-constable K 208.) I was with Manning when he went to the premises—I produce a 5l. note, which I got from the woman who searched Payne—I went to the shop of a grocer in Shoreditch, from whom I received some information, in consequence of which I looked after Payne—I took her into custody—I produce a silk chain, which was round her neck—I searched the apartment, and found a snuff-mull, some furniture, and a bill and receipt for it.

Payne. Q. When you apprehended me, what did you say? A. I said, "Jessy Payne, I want you for a robbery at Mrs. Brown's, in the Mile End-road, where you used to live.

MARTHA WADEY . I am a searcher, at the police-station at Bromley—I searched Payne on the 4th of March, and found some duplicates, a 5l. note, five sovereigns, some silver, four teeth set in gold, part of a diamond ring, containing the diamond, a pocket-book, tweezers, locket and key—I said to her "What are you brought here for?" or something to that effect, and she said she was charged with what she was too guilty of.

JOHN ALTON . I produce a miniature, a gold chain, two gold pencil-cases, and a remnant of merino, pawned by Payne, in her own name.

JOHN BOWEN . I produce a pearl pin, pawned at my shop by a female—I do not know who.

EDWIN AUGUSTUS BUSHELL . I produce three 5l. notes, two 20l., and two 10l., which have been recently paid into the Bank of England by different bankers, in the regular course of business—they are all cancelled.

BENJAMIN REID . I am in the service of Mr. Watson, a jeweller, in Norton-Falgate. At the latter end of Feb. the two prisoners came to our sbop, and bought two rings, I think—Payne asked White if he liked the mourning rings I was showing them—he said he did, it was the only style of ring he liked—Payne bought a brooch and hair guard, and paid me about 2l. 15s. in gold.

Cross-examined. Q. She asked to look at the rings, she selected the articles, and she paid for them? A. Yes.

ISAAC JOSCELYNE . I am a tailor, and live in Shoreditch. On Saturday, the 1st of March, the prisoners came to my shop—I said, "Do you want to purchase a coat"—they said, "What is the price of it?"—I am not positive which spoke, they were together—I called my foreman to wait on them, and stood by and saw the coat sold—White said to my foreman, "Can you give change for a 20l. note—I looked in my till, and said I could—Payne gave me a 20l. note—it had not been produced when

White asked if I could give change for it—I gave a 5l. check and twelve sovereigns for it—I laid it on the counter—I believe White counted it, and gave it all back to Payne—White gave me the name and address of Smith, Ann's-place, which I wrote on the note.

JONATHAN TAYLOR . I am in the employ of Francis Shaw, a cabinet-manufacturer in Shoreditcb. On Saturday, the 1st of March, the two prisoners bought goods of us to the amount of 19l. 2s. 1d.—I asked the man his name—he said, "White," and that name was put on the bedstead—Payne paid for them in sovereigns—they were sent by her direction to Mrs. Payne's, No. 2, Margaret-street, Hackney-road.

MRS. BROWN re-examined. A great number of the articles produced are mine—some of those found on Payne at the station—this is my husband's miniature.

Payne's Defence (written.) "However suspicious appearances may be against me, I solemnly declare that I am entirely innocent of any participation in the robbery with which I am charged; nor did I know the property found at my lodgings belonged to Mrs. Brown. The desk I only received on Sunday morning the 2nd of March; I had never opened it while it was in my possession; I received it from a person named Harrington, with whom I have been acquainted about six years; she told me it belonged to her brother, who was at Yarmouth, and asked me if I would take charge of it for a few days till her brother's return, which I contented to do, not knowing it was stolen; the articles produced by the pawnbroker, Alton, were pledged by me for the same person; had I known they were stolen property, I should not have taken them to a place where I have been in the habit of going for at least twelve months past, and given my own name and address at the time I pledged them; the two 5l. notes sworn to by Mrs. Brown were brought to me by Louisa Harrington; she told me they were her own property, and that she lived at Lambeth; she asked me to change them for her on the 6th of Feb. which not being convenient for me at the time, I told her I could give her eight pounds in money, which I had by me at that time of my own; she accepted that, and I gave her the other two pounds after I changed the notes; the twenty pound notes were my own property, most part of which was left me by a relation some time since; the remainder was my own savings; I took it out of a savings' bank at Chelmsford in Essex, about nine months ago; the five pound notes, also the money which I gave up at the station-house, I received in change of one of my own notes; the head of the diamond ring was given to me by the person Louisa Harrington; I had no knowledge of the value of it, or that it had been stolen, or I should not have had it in my possession upwards of a month after the stated time of the robbery taking place. I wish to state that I only lived in Mrs. Brown's service six weeks, and that is nearly four years since; and during that time I never saw any of the things I pledged for Louisa Harrington. I hope you will take in consideration the extreme improbability of my keeping stolen property in my possession upwards of a month, and continuing in the same lodgings, and going about the neighbourhood at all times of the day, bad I been aware the same was the proceeds of a robbery committed at a house where I had formerly lived, and was so well known. I never told roy fellow-prisoner, or any other person, that I found 60l., or any such sum."

PAYNE GUILTY . Aged 19.— Transported for Ten Years.


MR. BALLANTINE stated that Payne had been discharged from the prosecutrix's service three years before, for stealing about 70l. worth of jewellery, which was restored on a promise not to prosecute.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-849
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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849. SARAH WILSON was indicted for stealing, on the 5th of April, 3 sheets, value 5s.; 1 blanket, 4s.; 1 coat, 10s.; and 1 waistcoat, 5s.; the goods of David Nevill her master.

DAVID NEVILL . I keep a potato-warehouse in Hart-street, Covent-garden—the prisoner attended to my wife while she was ill, til she went to the hospital—while she was staying with me, on the 5th of April I missed a coat, waistcoat, blanket, and sheets—this is my coat and waistcoat—(produced)—she had no business to pledge them, or take them away.

GEORGE FINIGAN . This coat and waistcoat were pledged by the prisoner on the 5th of April.

Prisoner. I have been in the habit of pledging property by the prosecutor's consent.

DAVID NEVILL re-examined. She never did for me—she pledged something for my wife when she was at home, but she was ill at the hospital at this time.

WILLIAM HARDING (City police-constable No. 271.) I took the prisoner into custody—I told her what I took her for, and asked if she had any duplicates—she produced some which corresponded with these articles—she did not say she was desired to pledge them for the prosecutor or his wife.

GUILTY .* Aged 52.— Confined Six Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-850
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment

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850. JOHN BRADY and WILLIAM WOOD were indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of John Wood about one in the night of the 15th March, at St. Mary Stratford, Bow, with intent to steal, and stealing therein, 8lbs. of pork, value 4s. 10d.; 1 quartern of flour, 6d.; 3 loaves of bread, 9d.; 2 candlesticks, 1s.; his property; and 2 pair of boots, 18s.; and 1 handkerchief, 2s.: the goods of George Hicks; to which

WOOD pleaded GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Six Months.

SARAH WOOD . I am the wife of John Wood, and live at Old Ford, in the parish of Stratford Bow. On Saturday night, the 15th March, I went to bed about half-past ten o'clock—I fastened all the doors and windows—there is no shutter to the kitchen window looking into the garden—that window was fastened and whole—Wood is my step-son—next morning we missed some pork, some shoes, and candlesticks—these candlesticks now produced are mine, and the boots and handkerchief belong to George Hicks, my lodger.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. When had Wood been to your place? A. Not for a fortnight before, that I saw, and I had not been out at all—we had had no quarrel, but we could not have him in the house.

EDWARD BUTLER . I lodge at Mrs. Wood's—I got up at half-past five o'clock on the morning of the 16th March—I went down stairs—the kitchen door was about half open, and I observed the glass of the window was out—that would enable a man to put his hand in and unbolt the door—the window is close to the door.

SUSAN WOOD . I came down on this morning as soon as Butler found the door open—I met the prisoners in the Mile-end-road about seven o'clock—Brady

had a bundle on a stick, and Wood had two pairs of boots—Drew, the constable came up, and I gave them into custody—I saw Brady's bundle searched—it contained some pork, flour, and bread, which we had lost—the candlesticks were found in his pocket.

Cross-examined. Q. Wood had lived at home at one time, had he not? A. Yes.

TIMOTHY DREW (police-constable K 387.) I took Brady into custody—he made no remark.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you mean to swear that? A. I do—he did not say that Wood had desired him to carry them—Wood said so in his presence before the Magistrate, and the Magistrate asked me if he made that remark at the station-house—I said no.

BRADY— GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Six Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-851
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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851. WILLIAM COPSEY was indicted for a robbery on George Bradshaw, on the 24th of March, and stealing from his person and against his will, 1 handkerchief and 25 sovereigns, his property; and beating, striking, and using other personal violence to him.

GEORGE BRADSHAW . I am an engineer, and live in George-street, Stepney. On the 24th of March, near twelve o'clock at night, I was at the Queen Caroline public-house, in Brook-street—I took a sovereign out of my pocket to pay for some gin, and I had thirty-seven sovereigns lefl in my purse at that time—I put the silver into my trowsers pocket—the prisoner was close by, in front of the bar—I left the house in two or three minutes, and went up George-street, under one of the railway arches—the prisoner met me, laid hold of my collar, and struck me several times on the head and face, and threw me down—we had a desperate struggle there—I felt him take my purse from my inside coat pocket—he then broke loose from me and ran away—I ran after him to the top of Butcher's-row, which is nearly 200 yards—I there caught him by the jacket and said, "You have robbed me"—he made no answer but turned round and struck me about the head and face—I threw him down—he got up again and struck me very furiously about the head and face—I threw him down a second time and got the purse from his hand, which, at the moment I thought contained the whole of the money—we had a desperate fight there—I took him back to the Queen Caroline to get assistance, telling him he thought he had robbed me, but he was too weak—the landlord closed the door, went to an up stairs window, watched me struggling with the prisoner, and would give me no assistance—I struggled with him in the street from five to ten minutes—a great many persons came up and took an active part for the prisoner, and I received some blows—I then made my escape home—I immediately examined my purse, and there was only twelve sovertigns left, twenty-five were gone—I also missed my handkerchief which I had in my coat pocket at the time I changed the sovereign—this is the handkerchief (produced)—I can swear to it—there is a mark on it, and one hem is wider than the other, where it has had a tape through to be used as an apron.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. I believe the first thing you did that day was to come and see Tapping hanged? A. Yes—I went to two or three public-houses that day, and on the river in a steam-boat—I was not drunk—I was fresh—I knew what I was doing, and could manage the prisoner—I threw him on his back—he look up the gin I called for at the

public-house and drank it—I cannot say whether he was tipsy—he was taken the next morning—a friend of mine fetched him to the place where I was waiting with a policeman—after Tapping's execution I went to a public-house in Covent-garden, where my wife and a man named Saint met me—Saint was with me all day—he is an engineer—I had the gold in my possession at six o'clock in the morning—Saint did not see it or know that I had it—I went to Covent-garden to lay the money out with a friend, but he was gone into the country—I was at the Queen Caroline for several hours in the afternoon—I saw the prisoner sit down on a step and cry after I had thrown him on his back—I took the purse from his hand—I have never found the twenty-five sovereigns.

JAMES MALIN (police-constable K 99.) I took the prisoner next morning; and found on him this handkerchief, which the prosecutor identifies, another handkerchief, and a knife.

Cross-examined. Q. He came to you with Saint? A. Yes, to the public-house—Saint went to fetch him.

JOHN ROBERTSON . I keep the Queen Caroline—the prisoner and prosecutor were both at my house on this evening, drinking gin—I saw the prosecutor pull out a bag with some money in it to pay for a glass of gin—it did not appear to contain a considerable sum, I should say not thirty or forty sovereigns—afterwards, when the house was shut up, I heard a cry of "Stop him, stop him"—I went down and saw the prosecutor holding the prisoner's jacket—he said, "You thought to rob me, but you find I am too strong for you"—the prisoner immediately replied, "I have not robbed you, search me"—I afterwards saw the prisoner sitting on a step crying—the prosecutor required no assistance—if he wanted any there was plenty of polico at hand.

Cross-examined. Q. I believe you called the attention of two policemen to the prosecutor as being drunk? A. I did, as he was so very tipsy—they would not come into the house, but said if I got him ont they would see him a little on his road—the prisoner was also tipsy—there were ten or twelve other persons in the road when the prisoner and prosecutor were struggling—the prisoner got very much the worst of it—the mob said he was not half a plucked one—on that he attempted to strike the prosecutor, but missed him and fell on his face, and the prosecutor immediately ran away.

(The prisoner received a good character.)


7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-852
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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852. SARAH FOULKES was indicted for stealing on the 22nd of March, 12 blankets, value 1l. 16s.; and 2 rugs, 4s.; the goods of Isaac Lester.

ISAAC LESTER . I keep a lot of houses in Kent-court, Spitalfields, and let them out in lodgings by the night, to five, six, and eight in a room, at 3d. a head—the males do not sleep in the same room as the females—the prisoner acted for me to let the places—I have missed sixteen blankets—these produced are mine—the prisoner had no authority to pledge them—I have carried on these lodging houses twelve years.

JOHN COX (police-constable H 173.) I went to Walter and Brown's, pawnbrokers, in Whitechapel-road, and found the prisoner offering this blanket in pledge—I got these other blankets also from the pawnbrokers.

I went to these houses—they take in cadgers and all sorts, but not thieves.

JOSEPH BURTON . I am assistant to Walter and Brown—I have produced ten blankets pledged by the prisoner, which the prosecutor identifies.

GUILTY . Aged 42.— Confined Three Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-853
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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853. JOSEPH PHIPPS was indicted for stealing on the 7th of April 9 loaves of bread, value 4s. 3d., the goods of Henry Whitehead, his master.

HENRY WHITEHEAD . I am a baker, and live in Brick-lane, Spital-fields—the prisoner was in my service—it was his duty to take out bread—on the 7th of April I watched him, and saw him take out seventeen quarterns, nine would have been about his proper quantity—when he came back he only accounted for six quarterns and a half—I charged him with taking eight more—he said he had told me all—I asked if he would not give any account of them—he said he would not—I fetched a constable, and gave him into custody—I am quite sure he took out seventeen—he had finished serving his customers.

WILLIAM ALDERMAN (policeman.) I took him in custody.

GUILTY. Aged 30.—Recommended to mercy. Confined Six Weeks.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-854
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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854. THOMAS JONES was indicted for stealing on the 9th of April, 131 yards of printed cotton, value 3l. 5s., the goods of Abraham Shaw.

THOMAS BENNETT . I am assistant to Abraham Shaw, of High-street, Whitechapel. On the 9th of April, we had a pile of printed cottons in the lobby chained to a pillar—I saw them safe about ten minutes past seven o'clock in the evening, and missed them about half-past—these now produced are them—they have the private and selling marks on them.

CORNELIUS FOAY (police-constable H 98.) Between seven and eight o'clock on the 9th of April, I met the prisoner in High-street, Whitechapel, carrying this bundle of prints under his arm.

Prisoner. I told him when he stopped me that a respectable looking man, who got out of a cab, asked me to carry them for him.

Witness. No, he did not—he said he brought them from Thames-street.

Prisoner. The man kept with me all along Whitechapel till the officer stopped me; I did not see him then.

GUILTY .** Aged 25.— Transported for Seven Years.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-855
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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855. JAMES BUTTREY was indicted for stealing, on the 9th of April, 1 half-crown, 4s., and 1 sixpence, the monies of William Jones.

ELIZABETH JONES . I am the wife of William Jones. About seven o'clock, on the 9th of April, I put a half-crown, and some shillings and sixpences, amounting to 7s., in a purse in my drawer—no one was there at the time—the prisoner, who is my cousin, came that night, between eight and nine o'clock—an old man, who my husband employed, came in a little after nine o'clock, and went away about a quarter past nine o'clock, before the prisoner—I missed my money about half-past nine o'clock—the prisoner was there then—I had left him alone in the room while I went to fetch him some beer—the old man was not alone in the room.

WILLIAM JONES I was sent for, and sent for a constable—the prisoner came into the public-house where I was—I told him I had been robbed of 7s., and as soon as I mentioned it he ran away—he was stopped by the policeman—he then said he would make it all right if I would allow

him to speak to my wife—6s. was found upon him, and he changed 1s. in the parlour where I was for some rum and water and a cheroot—I had never seen him before—I believe he is a cousin of my wife's.

JOHN WILLS (policeman. When I took the prisoner he wanted me to let him go back to Mrs. Jones, and he would make it all right with her—in his left-hand glove I found 3s. 6d., and in the foot of his stocking a half-crown—he belongs to the dragoons.

Prisoner's Defence. I know nothing about it.

GUILTY. Aged 20.—Recommended to mercy. Confined Three Months.

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Reference Numbert18450407-856
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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856. ALEXANDER MURRAY was indicted for stealing, on the 8th of April, 1 bell-pull, value 8d.; 1 door-handle, 6d.; 1 brass weight, 6d.; and 9 oz. weight of copper, 3d.; the goods of John Hart, in a vessel in a port of entry and discharge.

GEORGE TROTTER . I am a constable of the London Docks. On the 7th of April I stopped the prisoner coming out of the docks, and found on him this bell-pull, door-handle, and half-pound weight—he said they belonged to his master, and he had been at work on board the Parsee—as I was taking him towards the Parsee he said it was not the Parsee, it was the Gustee—as we were coming along we met the mate of the Augustus—he said, "There is the mate I have been at work for"—I asked the mate if he knew the articles, and he said yes, they belonged to the ship.

JOSEPH PARRY . I am mate of the Augustus, belonging to Messrs. Hagan and Co., of Dock-head—I have the care of the property on board, and am answerable for anything that is lost—John Hart is the captain—he is in the country—I know these things to belong to the vessel—the prisoner had no right to take any of them—they were taken from the cabin which he was painting—I had missed the copper in the morning.

Prisoner's Defence. I was sent on board to do some glazing; my putty-knife fell out of the stern window; I went on to the beach to get it, and found these two pieces of copper, which I put into my pocket; next day I found this brass weight and knob in the dust-hole—as I was coming to dinner Trotter stopped me, and asked what I had; I said, "Nothing that is any secret, I will show you," and I gave them to him.

GEORGE TROTTER re-examined. He said at first, "There is nothing here belonging to you"—I said, "Let me see what they are, and who they do belong to"—he said they were his master's property from the shop.

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Three Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-857
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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857. WILLIAM NEVILLE was indicted for stealing, on the 9th of April, 1 jacket, value 1s., and 1 waistcoat, 1s. 6d., the goods of James Davis; and that he had been before convicted of felony.

JAMES DAVIS . I belong to the Perseverance, lying in the Dock. I left my jacket and waistcoat safe on the 9th of April in the cabin, about nine o'clock—these now produced are them—my name is on the jacket—I had seen the prisoner on board that day.

ISAAC LASLETT . I am a shipwright at Limehouse. I stopped the prisoner about half-past four o'clock, as he looked bulky—I found this jacket on his arm.

WILLIAM TAPLIN (police-constable K 234.) I took the prisoner—he

said the jacket was his own, and he had worn it into the Dock, and as to the waistcoat, no one could say they saw him steal it.

Prisoner's Defence. I found the jacket between some logs, close against where they chuck the dirt; and the waistcoat was rolled up very carefully and put under some loose dirt there.

HENRY WOOD (police-constable K 44.) I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction—(read—"Convicted the 19th of Aug., 1844, of larceny, and confined three months")—the prisoner is the person.

GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined One Year.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-858
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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858. MICHAEL LEE was indicted for that he on the 15th of March, with menaces, did feloniously demand of Patrick O'Connor the sum of 5l., his monies, with intent to steal the same.

MESSRS. BALLANTINE and HUDDLESTON conducted the Prosecution.

PATRICK O'CONNOR . I have been for fifteen or sixteen years an officer in her Majesty's Customs; I was formerly a tide-waiter, and am now a gauger, which is a higher situation; I live in Greenwood-street, Mile-end-road; I know the prisoner. On Saturday, the 15th of March, he called at my lodgings between four and five o'clock—I was not then at home—I saw him between seven and eight—he said he was employed as a private watchman by the London Dock Company, to glean what information he could for them, and if I would not give him 5l. he would prefer a charge against me, and he said, "Sure, you are not going to lose 260l. a year for 5l."—I asked him what charge he could prefer against me—he said, "Riley, the Dock Company's watchman, has heard that I gave you 5s. to give Birch for employing me in the dock"—I said, "And have you done so?"—he said, "No, I have not, but they are anxious to prefer a charge against you; they want me to support it, but I will not if you will give me what I ask you; but if you don't, I will"—in consequence of this I subsequently communicated with Mr. Grayson, a friend of mine, and on the 17th of March I gave the prisoner into custody.

Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. You made a great deal longer statement before the Magistrate; is that your handwriting to this deposition? A. Yes—(The witness's deposition was here read, in which he entered more minutely into the circumstances, stating that the prisoner had been haunting him for some time past, and that on his calling on the Monday, he (the prosecutor) having previously communicated with Inspector Pearce, gave him a 5l. note, to catch him, which he was putting into his pocket when the policeman came and took him)—I do not know John M'Auliff, a labourer in the London Dock, that I know of, not by name—I know John M'Donald, a tailor, and I have a slight knowledge of James Campbell, a clothes-broker—I do not know Thomas Fitzgerald—I know Philip Fitzgerald, also James Mahoney, James Johnson, Michael Riley, Richard Foster, and Jane Foster—I lodged with her some time ago—I know Cavanagh; he is standing behind you—I know Rafferty, James Fleming, Michael Murphy, and the landlady's daughter, Emily Harms—I do not know her by name—I know them all personally, and that they are here—I knew the prisoner some time before this Saturday night—I did not know him long before he got work in the dock—I met his father once or twice, I believe—I knew him in his own country—I met him at a friend's house—I recommended the prisoner to Birch to be employed in the dock, and I have recommended some others to Birch—on my oath, I did not send for the

prisoner to my lodgings—I met him at Fleming's beershop—I sent for him, hearing he had called twice at my place on Wednesday, the 12th—Fleming keeps a beer-shop in the New-road, and also works in the docks—I called on him the same evening, and asked him if he knew the prisoner—he said yes—I said, "He has been in the habit of calling at my place, I should like to see him, for I want to know what be wants there; I shall feel obliged if you will tell him to meet me here to-morrow, for I should like to know what brings him to my lodgings so often"—the prisoner met me at Fleming's in consequence of that message—I sent no other.

Q. Before this, had you not received a charge from the Custom-house of receiving bribes or money to get people employment? A. I cannot say that I had—there was a charge made against Birch, and the papers were referred to me, and I reported on them—I am not aware that there is a charge hanging over me at the present moment—I have never received a charge from the Custom-house, nothing more than having to report on Birch—that is all I have heard of it since, and that is more than a month ago—I am not aware that I have any charge to answer—I do not know that there is a charge hanging over me of receiving money to get labourers employment—I am not required to give any explanation to the Custom-house—the explanation that was required I gave.

Q. Do you mean to say that is all the explanation required of you? A. That is better known to the Board of Customs; I do not know their intention—I swear that is all the explanation that has been required of me—on my oath, I did not send to Lee by Fleming to help me to get out of the transaction with Birch—I swear nothing of the sort passed—I simply sent to him to know what brought him to my place so often—Fleming works in the docks—I never had any money from him—I do not know that Birch had—I will swear that—I have not received half-a-crawn a week, or any money, from Mahoney and Johnson, as labourers for the London Dock—I went to Boulogne last year—I did not leave directions with Mrs. Foster to receive half-a-crown a week from labourers that came—I swear that, and that I never received any money from Mrs. Foster on account of labourers.

Q. Had you not told Mrs. Harms, your landlady, a night or two previous to this, that if Lee came, he was to wait for you? A. Such a thing might occur, but I have no recollection of it—if I did, it was with the same view that I sent Fleming to inquire what brought him so often—I never had any conversation with Rafferty about what Lee could state either to the Dock Company or the Customs, or about his not coming forward to make any statement against me—I have no recollection of it—I did not know that Lee had been discharged from the London Dock—I have heard it from Mr. Chandler—I did not know he had been discharged some days before this Saturday—I swear I did not know it before that Saturday—I know Michael Riley, a watchman in the London Dock—I met him one day in the Strand, with Lee and Fitzgerald—I did not go with them or after them to Mr. Fitzgerald's, No. 35, Arundel-street, that I swear—I met them standing at the corner of Arundel-street, and we had a few words there—on my oath I did not know that Lee and Riley were going to Arundel-street about this inquiry—I met them quite by accident—I did not know before that Lee had stated to Mr. Chandler that he had not given me any money—I swear solemnly that Lee never gave me any money.

Q. Did you not walk along the Strand together? As I was coming back to duty—Riley and Lee were coming down towards the Dock, and we walked part of the way together, by mere accident—I believe Birch's taking money to get the labourers employment was the subject of conversation—I believe we did speak of it—Riley never said a syllable to me about Lee's being discharged for not telling the truth about me, nor did he ever say I might be forgiven everything but arresting Lee in the vile way I had done—I swear that—I will tell you what he did say, I chanced to meet him at the Dock-gate, and he said, "That Lee is a complete scoundrel; and if you summon me I will prove it; he told me he never gave you any money; I blame you very much for arresting him, for I would kick his----"—I did not say to Riley, "God knows, the money I got I never put into my own pocket."

Q. Did you not know, before you gave the prisoner into custody, that he had talked about going to speak to Mr. Chandler? A. That was one of the threats he made use of in order to get the money—since he first asked me for the money that was the mainspring on which he founded his demand—I never said anything about making compensation to Lee for losing his place, on account of his telling a falsehood for me—that I swear, and for the best of all reasons, for I never knew that he did lose his place—he said on one occasion, that if he got the 5l., he would get a licence as a hawker—he said he could not afford to lose a guinea a-week—I do not know that he was accused of not telling the truth with regard to myself—I swear I never had any communication with him as to what he was to state to Mr. Chandler with regard to me—I treated him to nothing on the Monday night, when I gave him into custody, but a cup of tea—when he came on Saturday, I asked him to come over with me to the Borough, which he did—that was for the purpose of seeing Mr. Grayson—I swear I did not call him my counsellor—I had no friend nearer that I could have spoken to about this—we went to a public-house—Grayson is a merchant in Mint-street, Borough—he retails potatoes and coals—he is not a chandler or green-grocer—he has a wholesale business besides at the water-side, under the firm of Harvey and Grayson—his wife is a relation of mine—I know he was discharged from the Customs—he was not exchequered that I am aware of.

Q. Why did you not give the prisoner into custody at that time, for trying to extort money from you? A. I thought he would be intimidated by the fact of calling in a policeman, and that it would deter him from ever asking me for money again, but he came again—I did not send for Mrs. Murphy to come and meet the prisoner—Mrs. Murphy and her daughter or son called at my house on the Monday—I am not aware that Mrs. Murphy talked to the prisoner about not giving any evidence against me—on my oath she was not sent for for that very purpose—I was not really afraid that I should lose my situation, if he made any statement against me—I have no fear of it now—I gave him the money to catch him.

Q. Have you ever sent Grayson to Mrs. Foster since this indictment has been pending? A. I heard that Mrs. Foster had made a very false statement about me; and not being on terms with her, on account of refusing to lend her money, I commissioned him to go and see if she did state what I had heard she did—I did not send him to tell her not to come here, or not to give evidence before the Customs—I have never asked Lee, since the disturbance with the Dock Company and Birch, whether

he could write a good hand, nor said that I could give him some work to do as a grocer in his own line—I never said, in the presence of other parties, "Lee, if you can write well, I will get you employment as a grocer; it will be better for you than labouring work"—I have no recollection of anything of the kind; nor do I know a grocer in London; nor did I add, "Come to my lodging to-morrow (Thursday)—I have something very particular to say to you"—since these charges have been made by the Dock Company, I have never talked to Lee about getting him employment, as something better than a labouring man—a Thomas Fitzgerald is my security, but not the Fitzgerald alluded to here.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. You have been asked about a person named Cavanagh, is that the person who is instructing Mr. Horry as a solicitor? A. Yes—I do not know what he is—I have seen him at one Fitzgerald's—he is nothing that I am aware of—he is to be the editor of a paper to be called "The People," if he can get funds to carry it on—Mr. Fitzgerald is a countryman and school-fellow of mine—he applied to me for assistance, which I gave him—when I came back from Boulogne I found him and Mrs. Foster living together as man and wife—I left the house when I saw the state they were in—they are not living together now, but they did so for some time—inquiries have been made of me by the Customs with reference to James Johnson and the other persons that have been mentioned—I have answered those inquiries—I have never received a single fraction from any one of the persons that have been named to me—Rafferty goes by the name of Dr. Fitzgerald—I know the parties that have set these charges afloat—I have not seen any of those parties at the Custom-house making charges against me.

EDWARD GRAYSON . I live at 19, Harrow-street, Borough. On the 15th of March, at Mr. O'Connor's request, I went with him to a public-house, where I saw the prisoner—I heard him say that he was employed by the London Dock Company as a sort of spy to glean evidence, that he had to meet Mr. Chandler, the superintendent of the Docks, on the Monday morning following, and unless Mr. O'Connor gave him 5l. to join some friend of his in hawking waistcoatings about the country, he would go and prefer a charge against him.

Cross-examined. Q. I believe you and Mr. O'Connor went up the street after that? A. We did—the prisoner followed us—I was in the Customs at one time, and had a very good situation—I was discharged—am I bound to say what for?—I have not been exchequered—I was accused of violating my duty as an officer, and was discharged in consequence—I was never prosecuted by the Customs, or threatened with it—I did not give evidence against others—I was not concerned with certain merchants and others in evading the payment of the duties—I swear that positively—the Customs have thought proper to forgive me the offences I committed—I decline to answer what the charge against me was—my wholesale warehouse is in Tooley-street—I am a potato salesman, in partnership with Mr. Harvey—I do not keep a green-grocer's shop in Harrow-street—it is a potato warehouse—I went to Mrs. Foster's at Mr. O'Connor's suggestion, three or four weeks ago, before this prosecution, to ask her some questions about Mr. O'Connor's business, not at all in reference to Lee—I never spoke of him—I have not called on her since this prosecution, nor sent any one—Mrs. Foster had made a statement to one of the officers of the Dock Company, derogatory to Mr. O'Connor's character, and I went to ascertain what she had stated—I did not go for the

purpose of getting her not to make any statement, or to say she had made a mistake—nothing of the kind.

Q. Did you go on any other business? A. Yes, at her own request—she stated that she had been robbed of her furniture by a person named Fitzgerald—I never offered her any money—I swear that positively.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. She sent to you for the purpose of getting back her furniture? A. She did—I am married to a relation of O'Connor's—that was the mode in which we became acquainted, and we were brother officers in the Customs for many years—some time since, there were inquiries made about some merchants defrauding the Customs, and all the officers implicated, directly or indirectly, in the transactions, were discharged, those in any way connected with improper practices—I was discharged on the evidence of two men named Cox and Letch, who were employed on the Custom-house quay—Cox was afterwards charged with perjury—since that time the Custom-house have made inquiries, and have taken no proceedings against me, on the contrary—they know that I am carrying on business, and able to pay any penalties they might seek to recover.

STEPHEN WALKER (police-constable, K 306.) On Monday morning, 17th March, I went to Mr. O'Connor's house—the prisoner and Mr. O'Connor were at the door—I took the prisoner into custody, and told him he was charged with extorting money from Mr. O'Connor—he said, "I have extorted no money at all"—I said, "Have you got any money about you?" he said, "No"—while I was talking to him I saw him fumbling at his right hand trowsers pocket—I instantly seized hold of his hand and took from it this 5l. note, squeezed up very tight—his hand was close by his pocket at the time—he then put up his hands and said, "For God's sake, I am done," and he trembled very violently—I took him to the station—Mr. O'Connor's name was on the note.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you find that paper on him? (producing one) A. I cannot recollect—I found several papers.

MR. O'CONNOR re-examined. This is the note I gave the prisoner, and upon which I wrote my name.

THOMAS CHANDLER . I am a superintendent in the London Docks—we do not employ any persons in the capacity of spies.

Cross-examined. Q. There have been some inquiries by the Dock Company about persons taking money to get labourers employment? A. There have—Birch, the foreman, was named as a party who had received money, and O'Connor also—in the course of that inquiry Lee was examined by the Secretary to the Docks in my presence—I subsequently heard that he had not stated what was true—he was occasionally employed up to the 14th of March in the dock—he was not discharged by me—I had no appointment to meet him on Monday, the 17th—I had no appointment to meet him after that examination—Riley had not made any appointment with me—he said something to me about another meeting—Birch has been suspended, not discharged.

JOHN CLEMENTS examined by MR. HORRY. I have heard that Mr. O'Connor has received a charge from the Board of Customs to answer?

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Have you heard that he has answered it? A. I have.

(Witnesses for the Defence.)

MICHAEL RILEY . I am a watchman in the London Dock. On Friday, the 14th March, I was directed to take Lee from the London Docks to

Arundel-street, in consequence of an inquiry before the Dock Company as to persons taking money for getting labourers situations—we saw O'Connor at the corner of Arundel-street—we walked together along the Strand—I knew that Birch was suspended—O'Connor said in Lee's hearing, "God knows the money I got from them I never put into my own pocket"—Lee was an extra labourer—I discharged Lee in the Strand, and told him in O'Connor's presence, as we were coming back, that he was discharged for telling a lie about the money—on the 4th of April, after Lee was in custody, I told O'Connor he might be forgiven all but arresting Lee in the vile manner he did—the prisoner called at my house in Ratcliffe-highway on Saturday, the 15th—I had no appointment to meet Mr. Chandler.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Did you say that the mode in which you should have treated Lee would be by kicking him in a certain part? A. No, nothing of the sort—I never said a word about kicking him, nor that he was a great scoundrel or great rogue—I never said he was a great liar, nothing of the kind, nor that he had told a lie—since then I have said so—several persons had said that O'Connor had got money from them—I went up to a man named Fitzgerald in Arundel-street—he is a very slight acquaintance of mine—I visited him at the time of inquiring into these matters—I have not given him my evidence in the case—he knew principally what I had to say—I never told him anything that I was going to say here to-day, but the was in possession of everything I knew—I was subpoenaed by that party—he and I did not talk of what I was to say here—Fitzgerald was listening to the admissions that O'Connor made—he was present when this conversation was going on—Fitzgerald brought me the subpoena—I have known him, I suppose, between nine and twelve months—I have not seen him here to-day or about the Court—I did not see him here yesterday—I have not seen him for these two days—I was subpoenaed, I think on Friday, in the London Dock, not by Fitzgerald but by the prisoner's brother—I did not go and see Fitzgerald afterwards—I have not seen Fitzgerald between Friday and to-day—I have not seen him within these six days I believe—I last saw him at his own house in Arundel-street—I called on him to make a little inquiry about this business, to see how things were going on.

Q. What had you to do with how things were going on? A. Why I was employed to inquire into the matter altogether, by my superiors, not about this charge, but about the money matters—I was employed by Mr. Clements, and I went to Fitzgerald to make inquiries into that point—I do not know much about his character—I was sent to Fitzgerald by Clements—I swear that, not on that day—I went that day on my own business.

Q. What was your own business? A. Why, the fact of the matter is this, I considered that the prisoner was badly treated and I went to Fitzgerald to see what I could do for him—I did not swear just now that I called on him about the money business that day—I have been there different days—the last day I called I called on my own account—I called on the Dock' business previously—if I said I called that day about it I made a mistake—I do not say that I did—the way that you and the other councilor put questions to me is not consistent—I am sometimes called in the Docks "The fox"—I have never been on visiting terms with Fitzgerald—I have never dined or drank with him—I never drink anything—I have

been in his company when he has been drinking, more than once or twice—the first time I know Fitzgerald he was working in the Docks, and I have seen him scores of times with Mr. O'Connor—I do not know whether it was O'Connor that introduced me—I have not known Lee very long—I have seen Cavanagh and Fitzgerald together—I know where Fitzgerald lives well.

MR. HORRY. Q. There was an inquiry going on about certain persons taking money from labourers to get them employment? A. Yes—I was with others making inquiries about that—I did so under the sanction of my superiors—among other persons, I went to Fitzgerald—that was for the purpose of following out the inquiry—I was particularly desired to inquire what money had been paid to these parties, and by whom—I found that out by Fitzgerald—Lee was discharged for telling lies about O'Connor, for not telling the truth about him—he was examined in consequence of what I learned from Fitzgerald.

JAMES FLEMING . I was sent by O'Connor to tell Lee to come to my house, some days before he was in custody—he did not tell me to go for Lee to help him out of the transaction with Birch—it was about wanting to know why Lee was calling on him—he said he was constantly annoying him at his lodging—he sent no other message by me.

JOHN MAHONEY . I met Lee at Fleming's house, by Fleming's directions—I have had no conversation with Mr. O'Connor about this prosecution.

ANN HARMS . I was Mr. O'Connor's landlady. He did not at any time give me any directions to desire Lee, if he came, to walk up stairs, and stop for him—I have no sister.

JANE FOSTER . I am the widow of an excise-officer, and live at No. 15, Devereux-court. I have not seen Mr. O'Connor since this prosecution, nor did I see him previous to it respecting any charge against him—I have not spoken to him since the charge against Birch.

MR. HORRY to PATRICK O'CONNOR. Q. Did you ever say, in the presence of Mr. Rafferty, that you would give 40l. to get out of this complaint of the Custom-house, or anything of the sort? A. Never—I never said I would give any money to get out of it, nor did I display 40l.

MICHAEL RAFFERTY . I am a medical student. Mr. O'Connor said, before me, that he would give 40l. to be out of it—that was about fourteen days before the prisoner was arrested—he showed me a 40l. note as he spoke—it was at his lodgings, in Green wood-street, Mile-end—I called upon him.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. What age are you? A. I do not know exactly, twenty-five, more or less—I began my medical studies before 1840—I am carrvirtg them on at No. 35, Arundel-street, Strand—I am not Dr. Fitzgerald—I was so addressed by your client the first day I saw him, and I told him my own name—I attend St. Vincent's Hospital, Dublin—I have not been in London quite six months—I left Dublin immediately before I came here—I wished to leave Dublin—it is not for you to learn why—I am not ashamed to say—I left at the time the steim-boat left—it was not late in the evening exactly—I gave notice of my leaving, to the gentleman that pave me my passage-ticket in the steamer—I know several persons named Fitzgerald—I know a person of that name living in Arundelstrect, in the same house with me—I saw him about nine o'clock this

morning—he is quite well—I do not know that he came down to this Court, nor why he did not.

MR. HORRY. Q. Are you ready for your medical examination here? A. Quite—I have gone through all the classes for that purpose, and have completed my whole course—I have my indentures or articles with me—there is no necessity for my attending any hospital in London for one day.

GUILTY . Aged 28.— Confined One Year.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-859
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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859. JOHN BOYLE was indicted for stealing, on the llth of April, 1 handkerchief, value 1s., the goods of Alexander Baldie, from his person.

ALEXANDER BALDIE . I am a solicitor's clerk, and live in Marylebone-street. About five o'clock, on the llth of April, I was going through Tokenhouse-yard—I heard the footsteps of three parties behind me—as soon as one had passed me his appearance excited my suspicion—I put my hand to my pocket, and missed my handkerchief—this produced is it—the three all started—the prisoner was one of them.

WILLIAM PERROTT . I live in Half-moon-alley. I heard a cry of "Stop thief," and saw the prisoner run past some carts in Coleman-street—as he was running past I saw him throw a handkerchief into a carpenter's shop door—I picked it up, and gave it to the officer—I am sure the prisoner is the person.

THOMAS PHELPS (policeman.) I have the handkerchief which Perrott gave me.

Prisoner's Defence. I was going down Coleman-street, and saw a great company of people running; I ran with them, got ahead of them, and was taken for the thief.

GUILTY . Aged 19.— Transported for Ten Years.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-860
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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860. JOHN GEORGE WILSHIRE was indicted for stealing, on the llth of April, 2 work-boxes, value 12s., the goods of John Hebden, his master.

JOHN HEBDEN . I am a cabinet-maker, and live in Bath-street, Shoreditch. The prisoner was in my employ—on or about the llth of April I missed two work-boxes—these now produced are them.

WILLIAM BROCK . I am a pawnbroker. These two work-boxes were pawned by the prisoner, on Friday morning, the llth. of April, about eleven o'clock.

Prisoner's Defence. I did not take them; my master sent me out with them.

JOHN HEBDEN re-examined. I did not send him out with them—I had sent him with others, and he sold half a dozen of the same to a customer—I sent him the previous evening to ask if they would have these two but I did not send him on this morning—I did not know he had left the house—he never returned.

GUILTY.—Recommended to mercy. Confined Three Month.

OLD COURT.—Wednesday, April 16th,1845.

First Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-861
VerdictNot Guilty > no prosecutor

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861. EDGAR WHITE was indicted for wilful and corrupt perjury. (The prosecutor was called on his recognizance, and did not appear.)


7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-862
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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862. JOHN POWRIE and CAROLINE POWRIE were indicted for a conspiracy.


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Reference Numbert18450407-863
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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863. THOMAS HAWKINS was indicted for unlawfully breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Mary Hawkins, with intent to steal.

WILLIAM GRUIT . I am a gas-fitter, and live at No. 7, Jackson's-court, St. Andrew's-hill. On Monday afternoon, the 10th of March, about ten minutes or a quarter to five o'clock, I was at my water-closet, from which I can see the back of No. 11, Currier's-row—I saw the prisoner come through the passage, and go up the stairs leading to the water-closet of No. 11—he came back, and then returned up the stairs again—I listened for a few minutes and heard him at the window—I then saw him go down the stairs and look out of the passage—he then returned up the stain again, and I heard the wood-work of the window begin to break, and pieces of glass fall—I listened fora few minutes, then pushed the window up, and perceived him draw himself back again—he shoved the window in about five feet—I ran out, and went into No. 11, Currier's-row—I did not delay half a minute—I met the prisoner in the passage of No. 11—I said, "Halloo! what have you been up to here?"—he said, "I have merely been to the water-closet"—I said, "Yes, it is a pretty water-closet, you have been breaking into this poor woman's room"—he said, "What do you mean?"—I said, "Come back, and I will show you"—I went to the foot of the stairs and saw the window completely gone—I knocked at Mrs. Knight's door and said, "This fellow has been breaking into Mrs. Haw-kins's room"—he then made a pretence as if he was going up stairs—Mrs. Knight hallooed, "Paget! Paget!" who is a person living up stairs—no one came to our assistance—she opened the street door—the prisoner very nearly shoved her down, and tried to runaway—I caught hold of his coat-tail and tore it up to the collar—he ran out, and ran into No. 3, Ireland-yard, where he pulled his coat off and tied it in a handkerchief—he then ran up St. Andrew's-hill—I pursued him with Benbow the policeman—he ran up Knight Rider-street and threw the bundle away—I did not stop to pick it up—he ran up Old Change, and into St. Paul's-church-yard, where we lost sight of him—I then gave information to Barnes, the policeman, and told him who the prisoner was, for I knew him by bif lodging on the same floor about three weeks or a month previous to this, and he then stole a coat—I am sure he is the man I saw break the window, and who I found in the house.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Do you mean to persist in swearing he is the man? A. He is—I never had any quarrel or any communication with him—Mrs. Paget did not come and see the person—she said so herself—I am in the employ of the City Gas Company in Dorset-street—this was about a quarter to five o'clock, as near as I could judge—I swear the prisoner wore a coat with a tail to it—sometimes be wears a

smock-frock, sometimes a coat, and sometimes a round cap, to disguise himself—I never spoke to him until this occasion—I have no doubt whatever of his person.

JANE KNIGHT . I was in my room on the ground-floor when Gruit knocked at my door—I opened it, and the prisoner came into the passage 'I knew him before by sight, and am sure he is the man.

Cross-examined. Q. How long have you known Gruit? A. Three or four years—the prisoner once lived in our house—I have never seen him with a cap on to my knowledge—he generally wean a hat—he walked into the passage from the water-closet—he rushed by me, and knocked me against the wall—I had an opportunity of seeing him—I pursued alter him and called, "Stop thief!"—I did not know whether he had stolen anything or not.

MARY HAWKINS . I have lodged in this house, No. 11, Currier's-row, eighteen years—I came home about five o'clock, or a quarter past, on this afternoon, and found the window broken in and lying against the wall, one corner resting upon the bed.

Cross-examined. Q. Who is the landlord? A. Mr. Morris—he does not live in the house.

WILLIAM BENBOW (City police-constable, No. 841.) I heard a cry of "Stop thief!" about five o'clock on this day, and saw a man running with this bundle—I pursued him—I did not see his face, nor see him throw anything away—I picked up this bundle—it contains a coat, wrapped up in a handkerchief—the prosecutrix lodges in the parish of St. Ann, Blackfriars.

GEORGE WARDLE (City police-constable, N. 825.) I produce the window which was wrenched off.

THOMAS BARNES (City police-constable; No. 834.) I went and took the prisoner into custody from information I received from Gruit.

(Witnessesfor the Defence.)

JANE PAGET . I am the wife of a labourer, and life at No. 11, Currier's-row, in the same house as the prosecutrix—I heard an outcry about her window being broken, and hearing my name called I came down and saw Gruit having hold of some person—I did not see his face—he looked to me much stouter than the prisoner.

WILLIAM WHITE . I live at No. 3, New-street, Blackfriars. I know the prisoner—on Monday, the 10th of March, I had been doing a job for Mr. Halford, who keeps the Wbeatsheaf Tavern in Hand-court, Holborn—I had four gallons of liquor to take to Rotherhithe on a barrow—I started from the Wheatsheaf about twelve o'clock—I had three gallon bottles to bring back—it was about half-past four o'clock when I came back—I met the prisoner at the top of New-street—I asked him to give an eye to my barrow while I went to get my tea—I left him at the top of New-street, and my little boy, five years old, who had come from school, went and stood with him—I saw the prisoner standing there for about ten minitfes—I then asked him if he had anything to do—he said, "No," and I said, "If you will go with me to Hand-court I will give you 2d." he went with me—Mr. Halford was engaged with a gentleman—I went out and told the prisoner to take the barrow home, and I gave him 3d. for it—he was in my company till about twenty minutes past five o'clock.

COURT. Q. What did you do at Hand-court? A. I went to take back the empty bottles—Mr. Halford was in the bar—he told me to take them into the place where he deposits his bottles, and I took them to the back of the premises—I do not know how long it took us to go from New-street to Hand-court—we went up Fleet-street, and the road was blocked—it was about five o'clock when we got to Hand-court, and about twenty minutes past, when I told him to take the barrow home—he stood for that twenty minutes at the end of Hand-court, watching the barrow while I was waiting for Mr. Halford to be disengaged—Mr. Halford is not here—I think this was on last Monday five weeks, but I am not certain—I have not done anything for Mr. Halford since—I went to Guildhall the second day the prisoner was examined—I did not know of the robbery till the day after—the Magistrate asked the prisoner if he had any witnesses—he said "Yes," and he told him to bring them on his trial—I have been subpoenaed since.

THOMAS BARNES re-examined. The prisoner stated at the station-house that he left White at half past four o'clock.

MR. PAYNE. Q. Will you swear he did not say he met him at half past four o'clock? A. No, he said he left him—it was not taken down in writing.

GEORGE WARDLE re-examined. I heard the prisoner say at the station that he had been out with White, and helped him draw the truck, that he had returned at half-past four, and then went home to his mother's—he said so over and over again.

GUILTY.* Aged 20.— Confined One Year.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-864
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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864. JOSHUA ALLUM was indicted for unlawfully attempting burglariously to break and enter the dwelling-house of Louisa Hall Newton, at St. George Bloomsbury, about the hour of two in the night of the 6th of March, with intent to steal.

ROBERT NEWTON . I live with my mother, Louisa Hall Newton, No. 20, Keppel-street, in the parish of St. George, Bloomsbury. On the night of the 6th of March, I went to bed about half-past eleven—I left the kitchen door leading to the front area bolted, locked, and secure—about two o'clock in the morning I was called up by the officer, and found three holes in the glass above one of the bolts—if the glass had been taken out, it would have enabled a person to get in—the prisoner's father had been employed in the house, and I believe the prisoner occasionally assisted him.

CHARLES ORAM . I am a policeman. I was on duty in Keppel-street about two o'clock in the morning of the 6th of March—I heard a slight noise in the area of No. 20, and, on looking down, saw the prisoner close to the kitchen door, with one hand up towards the glass—I said nothing to him, but stood still till my brother constable came round—I then called him across—the prisoner left the kitchen door, came up the steps, and got over the gate—I there took him—I afterwards examined the kitchen door, and found three holes had been made in the glass close to the edge—I found on the prisoner this awl, which I believe made the holes, a box of lucifers, a small file, and two duplicates.

Prisoner's Defence. I was shut out from home, and was going into one of the cellars for shelter.

GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined One Year.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-865
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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865. RICHARD LEE was indicted for unlawfully attempting to steal 1 watch, the goods of Jonathan James William Bacon, from his person.

JONATHAN JAMES WILLIAM BACON . I am a carpenter, and live in Pennington-street, St. George's. On the 7th of April, about half-past four o'clock I was pressing through a crowd on Tower-hill—there were several mountebanks or conjurors there—on seeing two policemen approach to disperse them, the crowd rushed towards the iron railing—I had not been standing still two or three minutes, before I felt something pressing close against me—I saw the prisoner standing close against me, with his coat thrown open over my waistcoat, so as to prevent any one seeing what he was doing—I saw my watch in his hand—it had a guard to it, which was round my neck, and kept it fixed to my person—I beckoned to a policeman on the opposite side, who immediately came and took him into custody.

Prisoner. When the officers came up, he took the watch out of his own pocket. Witness. I did not—it had been in my waistcoat pocket.

JAMES EVES (police-constable H 14.) I saw the prisoner with his coat undone—I did not see the prosecutor take the watch out of his own pocket—it was hanging round his neck, attached to the guard—I did not see it in the prisoner's hand.

Prisoner. Upwards of a dozen people saw him take it out of his pocket; I asked them to come up, but they would not.

GUILTY .* Aged 19.— Confined Nine Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-866
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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866. JOSEPH CLARK was indicted for unlawfully assaulting Elizabeth Bassett, a child, with intent, &c.; 2nd COUNT, for attempting, &c.

GUILTY on the 2nd Count. Aged 22.— Confined One Year.

NEW COURT.—Monday, April 7th, 1845.

Fifth Jury, before Edward Bullock, Esq.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-867
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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867. MARTHA STEELE was indicted for stealing 2 spoons, value 1l. 15s., the good of William Gilpin; to which she pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 15.— Confined Two Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-868
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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868. SAMUEL HOLT was indicted for a misdemeanor. (MR. CLARKSON offered no evidence.)


7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-869
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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869. GEORGE WHATMORE and JOHN DUTTON were indicted for stealing 2 pecks of oats, value 5d.; 1 peck of oats and barley, 1s.; 1 truss of straw, 1s.; 20lbs. weight of clover-hay, 1s.; and 1 sack, 1s. 6d.; the goods of James Tilyer and another, their masters.

JAMES TILYER . I live at Harmondsworth, and am a farmer in partnership with my brother; the prisoners were my servants. They were employed to go with a cart and team on the afternoon of the 24th of March—about five o'clock Whatmore came with another man, and asked me for a quantity of corn to take up with the team—I sent him to my nephew—early in the morning of the 25th of March, I was called up by the policemen—I referred them to my nephew, and they went and called him—I have seen

these oats and refuse of oats now produced—some are bruised and some not bruised—I have no doubt they were had from my barn—they are similar to a large heap that was there for the horses—this sack is ours—this clover hay is the same as that we have in the stable to rack up with at nights, but the men are not allowed to take it out—Whatmore was allowed to take a truss and a half of meadow hay with him, but no clover-hay nor corn—this barley is grown for the sheep—it is mixed with black and white oats—I believe it is ours.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. What is your nephew's name? A. Richard Blunt Tilyer—the horses had to come to London, which is fifteen miles—they had to carry a load of straw to the Borough, which would make more than another mile for them to go—they had a truss and a half of bay allowed them for the journey—I did not know how long they would be gone; that would depend on how long they stopped at public-houses—I gave them no authority to take any corn—I do not know what my nephew said—he takes an active part in the business.

WILLIAM ENGLAND (police-constable T 170.) On Tuesday night, the 24th of March, I was at the prosecutor's—I saw the prisoners leave his premises about half-past eleven o'clock, with a wagon drawn by three horses, and two loads of barley straw—they proceeded along the road—I stopped them, and asked Whatmore what he had got—he said, "Two loads of barley straw"—I said, "What else?"—he said, "My truss of hay and my swinger"—I said, "Have you anything else?"—he said, "No"—I saw a quantity of clover-hay pushed under the load, and asked what that was—he said, "I took it for my horses"—I asked what he had got in this basket, which I saw there on the side of his wagon—he said, "I have got my tommy" meaning his victuals—I found in it about a peck of mixed oats and barley—I asked how he came to have that—he said, "I took it for my horses"—I told him he was not allowed to bring corn away from Mr. Tilyer's premises—he said, "I took it for my horses"—I said, "I shall take you for stealing it"—he said, "You won't hurt me any more than you can help"—I said any statement he made I should make use of again—he then said, "I stole the corn out of the bin"—Dutton was close by him, and said he knew nothing about it.

Cross-examined. Q. The first thing Whatmore said, after your caution, was, "I stole the corn out of the bin?" A. Yes—Mitchell was searching the top of the wagon, and I will not say whether he heard what Whatmore said—I suppose there may be four or five pounds weight of it—I did not find any victuals in the basket—the clover could be observed by any one.

COURT. Q. Do you know the Magistrate's handwriting? A. Yes—this is his signature to this deposition—(read)—"The voluntary statement of George Whatmore: 'I took this corn for my horses; I took it out of my bin; I did not break anything open to get it; the hay, likewise, I took for my horses; I am quite innocent of the straw.'"

WILLIAM DANIEL MITCHELL (police-constable T 167.) I was with England when he stopped the wagon—I found the sack containing the oats—after I had searched the wagon, Whatmore said, "I am innocent of the straw, I am guilty of the others"—Dutton said he knew nothing about it.


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Reference Numbert18450407-870
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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870. JAMES WILLIAMS and GEORGE DAVIES were indicted for stealing 1 handkerchief, value 2s. 6d., the goods of William Jones, from his person.

JOSHUA WELCH . I am clerk to the firm of Champion and Co. On the 8th of March I was in St. Paul's-churchyard—the prisoners passed me, one on one side of me, and the other on the other—as Williams passed, he said, "George," and pointed to Davies—I saw Davies go and lift up the prosecutor's pocket, and take this handkerchief out—I did not then know who the prosecutor was—I collared the prisoners, and called out, "That gentleman has got his pocket picked"—the prosecutor then turned, and I knew him—I said to him, "Mr. Jones, I want you"—the handkerchief was put out of sight, but I saw it afterwards close by the prisoners' feet—I left the prisoners in the care of Mr. Jones.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. There were a good many people about, I suppose? A. There were—it was about two o'clock—I had never seen Davies before—my attention was excited, as I never saw a pocket picked before—I never was so certain of anything in my life as I am about the person who took the handkerchief—I was about two yards from Davies, and took hold of him directly—the handkerchief was out of sight momentarily—I then saw it on the ground—I am certain the person who took it did not get away, and I took a wrong person—about two seconds elapsed between his taking the handkerchief and my seizing him.

WILLIAM JONES . I am a solicitor, and live in Crosby-square—this is my handkerchief—I had used it immediately before, and when I heard Mr. Welch call, I turned round and seized Davies by the collar—I saw the handkerchief on the ground, I desired a boy to pick it up and give it me—here is my mark on it.

JOHN GILES . I was in St. Paul's Churcn-yard—I saw Williams with these gentlemen—I went and took hold of him—I did not see the handkerchief till I gave Williams to the policeman's care—I got him about five or six yards—he took a life-preserver from his trowsers—some gentlemen called to me to take care, and I took it from him.

Williams. Q. Did I strike you with it? A. No, I looked down, and you had just got it from your trowsers.

HENRY ROWE (City police-constable, No. 856.) I took one of the prisoners, and produce this handkerchief.

WILLIAM MASH (City police-constable, No. 877.) I took Daries—I produce the life-preserver which Giles took from Williams.

(Davies received a good character.)



Confined Six Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-871
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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871. JOHN WILLIAMS was indicted for stealing 1 pair of shoes, value 8s., the goods of John Prime.

HANNAH PRIME . I am the wife of John Prime, of Forty-hill, Eofield, a boot, and shoemaker. About three or four o'clock, on the 22nd of March, the prisoner, whom I had not seen before, came and asked if Dr. Thomas lived there—I said he did not—he had a basket, and went away towards Enfield town—I did not see him again till the middle of the day on Monday, the 24th, when he came up to the shop, but did not come in—he had an empty basket—I went up stairs, and saw him going from the shop with something bulky in the basket in the direction of Carter-hatch-lane—I

came down to the shop, and missed a pair of shoes which had hung on a nail outside the window, when I went up stairs—I went after him—I saw Wright and spoke to him—I returned, and the policeman brought the prisoner and shoes to our house—these are them.

Prisoner. Q. Can you say that my basket was empty? A. Yes.

Jury. Q. Were there other shoes hanging outside? A. Yes, seven pairs—I had counted them—the prisoner was not waiting for any answer when I went up stairs—he did not speak to me—he merely came past the shop.

JOHN WRIGHT . I am a gardener, and live at Enfield. About twelve o'clock, on the 24th of March, I saw the prisoner with a basket which had nothing in it—Mrs. Prime afterwards spoke to me, and I went after the prisoner—I spoke to a policeman, and he secured him—I had seen him going down the lane running fast—I did not see anybody else go down the lane for an hour or so before.

Prisoner. Q. Did you see a boy and girl in the lane? A. No.

JAMES BRIDGER (police-constable N 372.) The prisoner was given into my custody—I took him back to Mr. Prime's—as we were going up Carter-hatch-lane, I searched and found this pair of shoes over the hedge, about two yards.

Prisoner. Q. Was it you found the shoes? I saw them, and told a boy to get them, which he did, and gave them to me.

Prisoner's Defence. I know nothing about them.


7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-872
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Transportation; Imprisonment

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872. EDWARD SMITH, JOHN PROCTER , and JAMES GILL , were indicted for stealing 1 handkerchief, value 2s. 6d., the goods of John Russell, clerk, from his person; and that Procter had been before convicted of felony.

SMITH pleaded GUILTY . Aged 14.— Confined Four Months.

HENRY MONTAGUE (City police-constable, No. 481.) About twelve o'clock, on the 2nd of April, I was in Cheapside—I saw the three prisoners all together—I followed them down Cheapside and the Poultry—they were following an elderly gentleman—they left him, and turned down George-stieet—I afterwards saw them following the prosecutor in Long-lane—he went through a court into Cloth-fair, and they followed him—Smith then went behind him—he lifted his coat up, took this handkerchief from his pocket, and put it into his bosom—he and the other prisoners then went through a public-house into Smithfield—I followed, and took Procter.

WILLIAM STEWART . I live in Trinity-lane. On the 2nd of April, about 12 o'clock, I was in Aldersgate-street—I saw the prisoners following the prosecutor into Long-lane, and up a court to Cloth-fair—Smith there made a sort of run, and the other two after him—when they got to the prosecutor, Smith drew the handkerchief out, and put it into his bosom—I ran after him into the pens in Smithfield—I chased him for two or three minutes—he took this handkerchief out of his bosom, and threw it on the ground—I took it up.

REV. JOHN RUSSELL , D.D. I live in Devonshire-square—I was in Cloth-fair, and found my handkerchief was gone—I ran into Smithfield, and there I saw Smith take the handkerchief from his waistcoat, and throw it on the ground—this is my handkerchief.

EDWARD HARDING (City police-constable, No. 274.) I produce a certificate of Procter's conviction, by the name of Charles Sayers, which I got from Mr. Clark's office—(read—Convicted 1st July, 1844, and confined four months)—he is the person.

PROCTER— GUILTY . Aged 24.— Transported for Ten Years.

GILL— GUILTY . Aged 14.— Confined Four Months.

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Reference Numbert18450407-873
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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873. CHARLES WOODROW was indicted for stealing 1 handkerchief, value 6d., the goods of Thomas Finnis, from his person.

THOMAS FINNIS . I live in St. Mary-axe. On the 28th of March, about a quarter past five o'clock in the afternoon, I was in London-wall, and felt a pull at my outside pocket, behind—I turned, and saw three lads—the prisoner was one of them—I saw my handkerchief in the hand of one of them—he threw it to the prisoner and ran away—I seized the prisoner as he had it—he broke from me, and dropped it—I took it up, and the policeman took him—this is my handkerchief.

THOMAS GELLATLY (City police-constable, No. 137) I saw the prisoner running—I followed—he was stopped in Aldermanbury, and I took him—Mr. Finnis came, and accused him of robbing him of his handkerchief—he gave it to me at the station.

Prisoner's Defence. Two boys picked the pocket, and threw the handkerchief at me; it caught on my breast, and dropped down; I did not have it at all.


7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-874
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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874. ANN SMITH was indicted for stealing 1 shilling, the monies of William Henry Harden, from his person.

WILLIAM HENRY HARDEN . I live in"Gloucester-place, Islington. On the 26th of March, about four o'clock in the morning, I was going home, and met the prisoner about half a dozen doors down Field-lane, as I passed out of Holborn—she made no remark, but took hold of my chain, and tried to get my watch—I got it from her and got away—I then missed a shilling, which I know I had in my waistcoat pocket two minutes before—I met a policeman, and told him—I went back, and gave her in charge.

BRYANT CLINE (City police-constable, No. 251.) I took the prisoner—she denied having any money.

ESTHER WOLLIN . I am the wife of Henry Wollin—I searched the prisoner at the station—I first asked if she had any money, she said, "No, none"—I did not find any, but as she stooped down to put her boot on, this shilling dropped from her person, and she put her foot on it—I asked her what she had dropped—she pretended to know nothing about it—I pushed her foot off, and took it.

Prisoners Defence. I took him home to where I lodged; he gave me a shilling; I said he could not stop for that; he then asked me to give it him back; I refused, and he gave me into custody; I was asked at the station where the shilling was, I said I had not got it, as I did not know where I left it, and it dropped out of my stocking.

WILLIAM HENRY HARDEN re-examined. I did not go home with Jbcr—I had no conversation with her whatever.

GUILTY .* Aged 25.— Confined Six Months.

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Reference Numbert18450407-875
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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875. MARY WILSON was indicted for stealing 1 purse, value 1s.; 9 sovereigns, 1 half-sovereign, 8 shillings, and 1 sixpence; the property of Albert Hart, from his person.

ALBERT HART . I live in Goodman-fields, I am in no business. About one o'clock in the morning, on the 12th of March, I was in a public-house in the City—I do not know the street—I saw the prisoner in that house—I was at the bar—I took my purse out of my pocket, and took out a piece of money, to pay for what I had had—the prisoner was then next to me, and was watching me—I put my purse back into my pocket—the prisoner asked for some relief, and was telling some tale of distress—she asked me for 6d., and during that time I missed my purse—I saw her slipping away into the yard, and followed her—I saw her stooping and busy about her clothes—I took hold of her, and at the very moment a policeman passed—I gave her in charge—I went with her to the station, and as she was going she was endeavouring to lift up her clothes to conceal the money—I afterwards returned to the yard with the officer, and found my purse with one shilling in it—there had been nine sovereigns and a half and some silver in it—this is my purse.

HENRY WORKMAN (City police-constable, No. 21.) I was in Warwick-lane, about one o'clock in the morning—I passed the prisoner and prosecutor a few yards—the prosecutor then said he had been robbed, and gave the prisoner in charge—she was taken to the station—when she was near Hosier-lane, she pulled up her clothes, and said the prosecutor had abused her—I took her to the station—I then went to Warwick-lane, and found this purse with one shilling in it.

ESTHER WOLLIN . I searched the prisoner—I found four sovereigns, a half-sovereign, and 6s. 6d. on the prisoner's person, under her clothes—I saw her take something from under her clothes and swallow it.

Prisoner's Defence. He told me to follow him which I did; he went down the turning, and said he would give me 1s.

GUILTY . Aged 24.— Confined Twelve Months.

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Reference Numbert18450407-876
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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876. GEORGE POWELL was indicted for stealing 1 handkerchief, value 2s. 6d., the goods of William Betts, from his person.

WILLIAM BETTS . I am ostler at the Rose and Crown, at Edmonton—on the 1st of April, about ten minutes past six o'clock in the evening, I was in Thames-street, and lost my handkerchief—this is it.

Prisoner. Q. Did you feel my hand in your pocket? A. felt some hand in my pocket.

WILLIAM ROLLS (City police-constable, No. 490.) I was in Thames-street, and saw the prisoner take this handkerchief from the prosecutors pocket.

Prisoner. Q. Did you see me take it? A. Yes, and I took you; you were standing by the side of your brother, I believe; I took the handkerchief from your hand.

Prisoner's Defence. I had just come from over the water, and stood beside this policeman; he saw the young man's handkerchief hanging out of his pocket, and he took it; a man said "Collar that man, collar him, and he took me; I had nothing to do with it; I had my hands in my pockets when the policeman collared me.

GUILTY .* Aged 21.— Confined Six Months.

NEW COURT.—Tuesday, April 8th, 1845.

Sixth Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-877
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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877. JOSEPH HOWARD was indicted for stealing 1 handkerchief, value 1s. 6d., the goods of Henry Robinson Fricker, from his person; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Six Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-878
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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878. THOMAS JONES was indicted for stealing 1 handkerchief, value 1s. 6d., the goods of William Bloomfield, from his person; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Three Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-879
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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879. JAMES BENNETT was indicted for stealing 72 yards of galloon, value 4s. 6d.; 2 lasts, 6d.; 4 pieces of leather, 4d.; and 216 yards of galloon, 13s.; the goods of James Dawson and others, his masters; to which he pleaded

GUILTY. Aged 45.— Judgment Respited.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-880
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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880. HENRY COWDERY was indicted for stealing 50 1bs. of hay, value 2s. 6d. the goods of Thomas Godliman.

THOMAS GODLIMAN . I live at Harefield, in Middlesex. On the 21st of March, about half-past two o'clock in the afternoon, I saw the prisoner coming from my gate with some clover hay on his back—he deals in hay, I believe—he chucked the truss up on his father's cart—I was going up in the field, and sent my wife after the prisoner, and she ordered Wright to throw the hay down—I have seen it since, and there is a sample of it here—I have no doubt that it is mine—he had no right to take it from my premises—I had not sold him any clover hay.

Cross-examined by MR. WILDE. Q. Had you sold some meadow hay that day? A. Yes, to his brother—one odd truss was brought round which he bought afterwards, but that was meadow hay.

COURT. Q. Was the hay all carried away before you saw this odd truss? A. Yes—it was off the premises, and on the cart at the time—the extra truss which had been bought was on the barrow at the door, I believe—I cannot say whether he had put it upon the cart or not—I think he could not have made a mistake, he must know meadow hay from clover.

MR. WILDE. Q. The prisoner's own cart was there, was it not? A. Yes, by his father's cart, and he put this truss on his father's cart—he bought a load and a half of hay and two trusses in the field, and then one truss which was brought out of the shed.

COURT. Q. Then was he to have a load and a half, and three trusses? A. Yes, and the load and a half and three trusses was brought out of the shed.

WILLIAM WRIGHT . I was present when this hay was sold to the prisoner's brother—he was to have the load of hay, and one truss more, which he bought—it was all meadow hay—it was put on his father's cart—I am sure of that—it was taken from the hay yard altogether—the clover hay was kept in the cart shed, which was quite a different place—I saw the prisoner go into the shed and take a truss of clover hay and put it on his lather's cart—I had seen him go into the yard two or three times.

Cross-examined. Q. Where were you standing? A. Outside the door—I had not any work to do for the prosecutor that day—I was present when the contract was made for the meadow hay—it was 2s. 4d. a truss—he bought the load of hay in the rick-yard, and then he bought the odd truss which was in the shed—I fetched it out of the shed, and put it on the wheelbarrow before the door—the prisoner looked at it, and then put it on his father's cart.

EDITH GODLIMAN . I went to the prisoner on the road on that day, and charged him with having one truss of our hay—he said he had no clover-hay on the cart—I saw one truss on the cart—I directed him to take it down, which he would not do—I directed Wright to take it down, which he did.

Cross-examined. Q. Were there two carts? A. Yes, his own and his father's—I asked him whether he had any clover-hay on his cart—I accused him of stealing a truss of clover-hay out of the shed, and he said he had no clover-hay on his cart—I saw the truss on his father's cart—my husband keeps a public-house—they had had some beer, I do not know how much—his brother came to pay for the hay—the carts were brought up to the door—I was not by when the contract was made—the clover-hay was kept in the shed—the prisoner was not taken till a week afterwards, as my husband had other business to attend to—he went to his fairs—we have known the prisoner's father many years—my husband was a hay-binder—I am not aware that he has done business for the prisoner's father.


7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-881
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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881. WILLIAM KING and WILLIAM TODD were indicted for breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Matthew Wood, on the 11th of March, at St. Benedict, alias Benet Fink, and stealing therein 4 pairs of trowsers, value 1l. 12s.; 1 coat, 2l.; 1 waistcoat, 8s.; 1 shirt, 4s.; 3 handkerchiefs, 12s.; and 2 pairs of shoes, his property.

MARY ANN FRYER . I am housemaid to Matthew Wood, a grocer and tea-dealer, at No. 78, Old Broad-street, in the parish of St. Benet Fink; it is his dwelling-house; he resides there. On the 11th of March, about half-past two o'clock, or twenty minutes to three, I was going up from the ground floor to the second floor—there is a door which is three or four steps from the second flight of stairs—it is always kept shut—it fastens with a latch-lock, and cannot be opened on the outside except by a key or a piece of string, which we can open it with, but no stranger could do it—the first floor is let out to Messrs. Bowers and Co.—as I was going up I found that door open—it is a public staircase to the first floor—anybody could have walked up to where the door was—it could not have been opened by me without pulling the string, nor by anybody else without a latch-key—I found this door open, to my surprise, and on going up I met the prisoner Todd coming down the stairs which lead to Mr. Wood's private apartments—there is no other way to get in or out of those apartments but by that door—I asked Todd what he wanted—he looked confused, and said, "I want a gentleman there," pointing to Mr. Bowers's office—I said, "Very well"—I took hold of his collar, and came down with him—I said, "That is Mr. Bowers's office"—he then tried to get away from me, but I kept him till Mr. Bowers and another gentleman came out and took him—I then went up, and met King at the same place—before

I had time to speak to him he said, "I know nothing about it, Miss, I know nothing about it"—I said, "Very well, but you must come to the office"—he did not hesitate, but went in, and was secured—I went up stairs, and found the bed-room door, on the second floor, which is always kept shut, standing open—(no one could get to this second floor without going through the latch-door)—I went into the bed-room, and a large black bag was on the bed—I went into Mr. Wood's room, and opened his drawer—I found his clothes had been taken out of his drawer—this coat and other things had all been moved out of that room, and were in this black bag in the bed-room—I had been in the rooms not an hour before, and the things were all safe—no one lives up stairs, and no one could have gone into those rooms up stairs without going through the latch-door—they would have to go through to get up, and to come through to go down.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. What interval was there between your meeting one of the prisoners and the other? A. Not more than a minute or two—Bowers and Co. live on the first floor, and no one on the second—the latch-door leads to all the apartments above the first floor—my master occupies the whole of the upper part—I believe my aunt, who is the housekeeper, had been in the upper rooms after I had—I did not see her go, but I know she had been there—she went up stairs to clean herself, as she was going out—I think she did not put on her clothes in the room where I found the bag—there was nothing taken out of that room—my aunt is not here.

COURT. Q. Did you ever see your aunt with a black bag like this? A. No—she does not know anything about it.

GEORGE BOWERS . I have the first floor at No. 73, Old Broad-street. On the 11th of March, about half-past two o'clock, I had to go out on business—I opened our office door, and' saw Todd on the second flight of stairs, by the latch door, which was open—I looked at him, and he hung his head down, as if he wished to shun observation—I still watched him—he went down, and went out, and when he was in the passage he made way for me to pass him—he must have gone out, and returned again—I came back in about five minutes, which was about ten minutes before Fryer made the noise, and both the prisoners were brought in.

Cross-examined. Q. Was the door wide open? A. No, only partly so—it was always kept shut when the housemaid was not up stairs.

STEPHEN QUESTED (City police-constable, No. 171.) I took the prisoners—I produce this bag, containing four pairs of trowsers, and the other articles stated—I found 13l. 10s. in gold, and 8s. in silver, on Todd; and on King I found a watch and chain, 2s. 8 1/2d. and several keys—two of them are latch-keys.

MATHEW WOOD . I live at No. 73, Old Broad-street. These articles are all mine—the prisoners had no business in my apartments—I had never seen them.

MARY ANN FRYER re-examined. One of these keys found on King is just like the key of the latch of that door—I do not know whether it will open it.

(Henry George, a silk-weaver; and Catherine M'William, a widow, of Collet-place, Bethnal-green, gave King a good character.)

KING— GUILTY .† Aged 22.

TODD— GUILTY . Aged 20.

Transported for Ten Years.

(See pages 894 and 895.)

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Reference Numbert18450407-882
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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882. WILLIAM TODD was again indicted for stealing, on the 10th of Sept., at St. Andrew Holborn, I silver salver, value 14l., the goods of Francis Paget Watson, in his dwelling-house.

MR. PAYNE conducted the Prosecution.

LETITIA GREEN . I am servant to Francis Paget Watson, at No. 8, Thavies'-inn, in the parish of St. Andrew, Holborn. On the 10th of March, a little before twelve o'clock, I went on an errand—I left the street door ajar—there was a washerwoman's cart at the door, and Smith was with it—I was gone about ten minutes—my mistress stood at the door, and said some man had been in and stolen the salver, which I had seen safe on the cheffonier in the drawing-room, on the first floor, about a quarter before twelve o'clock, and had dusted it.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Are you sure you saw it? A. Yes—I left the street door ajar for the washerwoman—I had been in the kitchen a few minutes after I went down from cleaning the drawing-room.

EMILY FRANCES WATSON . I am the wife of Francis Paget Watson. The servant went out on the 10th of March—while she was gone I thought I heard a person come down stairs—I ran up, and asked the woman at the door if anybody had gone out—she said, "Yes, that young man"—I looked out, and saw him—he was then about as far as No. 6—he looked very like the prisoner—I then ran up stairs, and missed the silver salver—there was no one in the house who could have taken it—it was worth about 14l.

ROBERT VILE SMITH . I live at Walworth. I was with the laundress's cart in Thavies'-inn, Holborn, on the 10th of March, about twelve o'clock, to take care of the linen—Mr. Watson's servant came out, and left the door a little ajar—a young man, very like the prisoner, went after her, but he had a lightish brown coat on then—I saw his face—I am sure the prisoner is the man—he came back again, and slightly knocked at the door—he then walked round the cart, and, after two or three seconds, pushed the door open—he looked round towards Holborn, and then walked in—in two or three minutes he came out again—his coat was buttoned with one button at the top when he went in, and when he came out it was buttoned up—I did not notice whether anything was under it—Mrs. Watson came almost directly to the door, and my mistress said there was a man come out—he was then about as far as No. 6.

Cross-examined. Q. Which way did he go? A. He turned out of the inn, and I lost sight of him—he walked rather fast—I have no doubt he is the person, from his dark hair and eye-brows, and he looked of a Jewish complexion—I saw him go and listen at another door that was ajar, and then to Mr. Watson's—I saw him with another person afterwards, and I knew him.

STEPHEN QUESTED (City police-constable, No. 171.) I took the prisoner the next day—I found on him 13l. 10s. in gold, and 8s. 2d.

COURT. Q. Did he of his own accord explain to you how he came by this money I A. No.

Prisoner. I lived in my last situation four months.

(Joseph Pullen, a publican; William Austin; and David Marshal, a tailor; gave the prisoner a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 20.—(Seepage 893.)

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Reference Numbert18450407-883
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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883. WILLIAM KING was again indicted for stealing 1 watch, value 3l., the goods of Thomas Hilsley.

THOMAS HILSLEY . I live in Old Broad-street, and am in the employ of Mr. Marriott. On the 1st of March, about ten o'clock in the evening, I missed a silver watch, which had been hanging up in the third floor room—this is it, but the chain that is to it is not mine.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. When did you see it again? A. Not till it was found at Mr. Wood's on the 11th of March—I saw it safe at half-past five o'clock in the evening, and missed it at ten at night—I know it by the maker's name, and the paper of my next door neighbour, who cleaned it—I have had it forty-five years.

STEPHEN QUESTED (City police-constable, No. 171.) I found this watch in the prisoner's pocket when I took him.

MR. PAYNE called

THOMAS KING . I live in South Conduit-street, Bethnal Green-road, and am a journeyman silk-weaver. I am the prisoner's brother—I remember going with him to get some money on last Thursday four weeks—I do not remember the day of the month—as we came down Bethnal Green-road, my brother hailed a cab—we went in it to Henneage-street, Brick-lane, and from there up Whitechapel, where he called out of the window for the cap man to stop—he stopped at the public-house at the corner of Petticoat-lane, in which there was a Jew, or a man whom I considered a Jew, offering some clothes—my brother bought a pair of trowsers and a waistcoat of him for 5s.—he had received some money in Henneage-street—directly after, as we were going to leave, the Jew pulled out a watch, and offered it for sale, and my brother purchased it for 30s.—it was old-fashioned, similar to this one—it had the same figures on it—I cannot swear that this is the watch—I do not know the sign of the public-house.

COURT. Q. Who was present? A. The cabman was in the public-house—we were not there above half an hour—I sat down—I do not think the cabman did—there were other persons round about—there might have been a dozen—we did not go into the room—we were in front of the bar all the time—we drank some ale and gin, which my brother paid for—I do not know how he came to take a cab—he had it in Bethnal Green-road—he drove to Henneage-street first—we did not stop there above ten minutes—I do not know the name of the person whose house he went to there—they were strangers to me—I waited outside—the cobman waited outside—my brother then directed him to this house at the corner of Petticoat-lane—he directed him to drive to Temple-bar, but when we got to Whitechapel, he ordered him to stop—I do not know whether he paid his fare, as I left him to go on with the cab to Temple-bar—we had gin and ale to drink—I do not know whether we had two or three pints of ale—I have not made any inquiry about the Jew—I was not before the Magistrate—I did not hear that my brother was charged with stealing a watch till I went to see him last Thursday week in Newgate—the policeman told me there were several indictments against him—I did not know what they were—the bargain was closed before the bar—I do not know whether the landlord or landlady paid attention to what was going on.

GEORGE READ . I am a cab-driver. The number of my badge is 8069—I drove the prisoner and the last witness in a cab nearly five weeks ago—it was either on a Thursday or a Friday—I was coming up Bethnal

Green-road—they hailed me, and bargained with me to drive them to Temple-bar for 2s.—I was to stop in Henneage-street, Brick-lane, which I did—I then went on, and in Whitechapel the prisoner put his head out, and told me to stop and have something to drink—I stopped at the corner of Petticoat-lane—I saw a man there with some clothes, the prisoner bought of him a pair of trowsers and a waistcoat, and after that the man pulled out a watch, and asked the prisoner if he would buy it—I did not hear the bargain, but I saw the money pass, a sovereign and some silver—I just looked at the watch—this one produced is the very watch—the prisoner went on to Temple-bar—his brother shook hands with him and went away.

COURT. Q. Then you drove the prisoner to Temple-bar? A. Yes, he then paid me his fare, and went away—I had never seen him before—I suppose they traced me out by going to Somerset-house, and tracing the number of the cab—I suppose they knew the number of my cab—my mistress holds my license—I have been driving about twelve months—I have driven for Mr. Savage and Mr. Lang, and for Mr. Langridge—I had a drop of rum to drink at the public-house—I believe some porter passed between the prisoner and his brother—I saw some spirits—the prisoner paid—we were in the house nearly half an hour—I waited while they went down Henneage-street—they were about ten minutes—I first heard that I was wanted about a week ago, when the prisoner's brother came to the yard where I drive from, at Mount Pleasant.

THOMAS KING re-examined. I went to a cab-stand and asked where I could find the cab—they said I mast go to Somerset House and inquire for No. 1799, and they sent me to Mr. Langridge.


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Reference Numbert18450407-884
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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884. WILLIAM DOWNS was indicted for stealing 1 handkerchief, value 6d., the goods of Robert Jarvis, from his person.

JAMES BENNETT TURNER . I am an usher of the Court of Bankruptcy. At half-past nine o'clock in the evening of the 19th of March I was walking down King-street, and at the corner of Queen's Head-yard I heard some one walking behind—I turned round suddenly and observed the prisoner with his hand in my friend Mr. Jarvis's pocket—I saw the handkerchief immediately after on the ground—the prisoner threw it down at the corner of the yard.

Prisoner. Q. Why did not you collar me when you saw it? A. My friend desired him to pick it up, which he refused to do, and I said, "Then you shall go to the station."

ROBERT JARVIS . I lost my handkerchief—this is it—I saw it in the prisoner's hand, and saw him drop it on the ground.

Prisoner. I saw two other boys turn round; the gentleman turned round and said to me, "Pick it up," and then the other gentleman would have let me go, but this gentleman said, "We will have him if it is only for a slip of paper." Witness. It was not said by either of us—Mr. Turner had him some time—he begged and prayed him to let him go, and said he would not do it again.

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Three Months.

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Reference Numbert18450407-885
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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885. SARAH SMITH, MARY ANN COOMBER , and ELIZABETH BROWN were indicted for stealing 1 purse, value 6d.; 2 sovereigns; 2 half-sovereigns; 2 half-crowns; and 4 shillings, the property of Josiah Jonathan Bell, from his person.

JOSIAH JONATHAN BELL . I live in Beech-street. On Thursday night, the 21st of March, between twelve and one o'clock, I was on Snow-hill, and was about five yards from Fox and Knott-court—Coomber took hold of my left arm, and asked me to go home with her—I said I would not, I was going home—she was alone, but in about a minute Brown came up. and took hold of my right arm—Smith was behind—they all three pulled me round the corner, and Brown asked Coomber if I was going home—Coomber made no reply to her, but asked me to go home with her—I said, "No"—they then asked if I would stand a drain—I said I had no objection, but the public-houses were all shut up—Coomber then unpinned her shawl, and lifted my left hand to her breast—I had my right hand in my pocket, in which I had a purse, containing two sovereigns, two half-sovereigns, two half-crowns, and four shillings—I took my right hand out of my pocket to take my left hand from Coomber—they then all pushed me about—I put my right hand back to my pocket, and my purse was gone—I said, "You have taken my purse"—they swore they had not—I took hold of Coomber and Brown and called a policeman—the policeman came and took them—the purse was found on Brown.

Brown. I was the first to speak to this gentleman; I asked him to go home with me; he went up the court with me, and the officer came and said he had a great mind to take us to the watch-house. Witness. No, I never saw any one, to speak to them, from the end of Chancery-lane till I got within five yards of Fox and Knott-court—two of the prisoners polled me up the court, and Smith pushed behind.

EDWARD JETSUM ANDREWS (City police-constable, No. 227.) I took the prisoner to the station—the prosecutor stated what he had lost—the purse was found, and the money in it corresponded with what was lost.

ESTHER WOLLBN . I searched the prisoners, and found a shilling in Brown's bosom—I asked if she had any more—she said she had nothing more about her—I asked if she had to give it up—she said she had not, and she did not believe the man had any to lose—I found the purse and money upon her.

Smith's Defence. We met the prosecutor and Coomber at tne bottom of the hill, and in a few minutes we saw him come behind us; I asked him to treat us; he said he had had plenty to drink; he said, "Come down this turning;" Coomber was going, and he said to me, "You come as well;" we were standing talking, and he said to Brown, "Give me my purse again, it has gold as well as silver;" she said, "No, you gave it me."

Coomber's Defence. The prosecutor called us; we asked him to give us something to drink; Brown came up, and he said he bad given her the purse, but she had taken the gold.

Brown's Defence. He gave me the purse, and said it was to be divided between the three of us; then he put his hand to his waistcoat pocket, and threatened that he would give me in charge, and say I robbed him; he said, "I have given you the gold, as well as the silver."

SMITH— GUILTY . Aged 17.


BROWN— GUILTY . Aged 20.

Confined Three Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-886
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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886. JAMES DUNSLEY was indicted for stealing 1 coat, value 10s.; 1 pair of trowsers, 1l. 6s.; and 1 waistcoat, 6s.; the goods of William Sanders; and that he had been before convicted of felony; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 24.— Transported for Seven Years.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-887
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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887. JOHN CHARLES PAGE was indicted for stealing 13 spoons, value 7l.; 13 forks, 8l.; the property of Octavius Blewitt, his master; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 49.— Confined Eighteen Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-888
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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888. MARY RYAN was indicted for that she, on the 7th March, at the parish of St. Pancras, being in the dwelling-house of John Scully, did steal 1 cash-box, value 1s.; 3 sovereigns, 7 half-sovereigns, 35 half-crowns, 149 shillings, 34 sixpences, and 4 groats; and afterwards, at twelve o'clock in the night, feloniously and burglariously breaking out of the said dwelling-house.

THOMAS SCULLY . I am the son of John Scully, a cheesemonger, who lives in Keppel-street, Somers-town, St. Pancras—it is his dwelling-house—on the 7th of March, about eleven o'clock at night, I went to bed—I took the cash-box up with me—it contained between 19l. and 20l. in sovereigns, half-sovereigns, half-crowns, shillings, sixpences, and four-penny pieces—I had put the money in the box myself, and put the box on the mantlepiece in my bed-room—the key of the cash-box was in my trowsers pocket in the room—my brother slept with me—I awoke about a quarter before seven o'clock in the morning, and missed the cash-box—the prisoner was servant in the house and she was gone in the morning without notice—when I went to bed at night I left the back door shut—it might not have been bolted, but it was shut—I did not bear any one come into my bed-room—my room door was left ajar—I never do shut it—I cannot tell what time the prisoner left the house—the cash-box was found and the money all in it—it had not been opened—this is the box.

Prisoner. You gave me the box to sleep with me that night. Witness. No, I did not.

THOMAS HARRISON . I drive a cab and live in White-Lion-street, Penton ville—I was with my cab, No. 154, at one o'clock in the morning on the 8th of March—the prisoner came to me with a bandbox under her arm—she asked me what I would drive her to Hyde-park corner for—I said two shillings—she offered 1s. 6d.—I said I could not go under two shillings—she got into the cab—I went to Hyde-park corner, and when I opened the door to let her out she had this cash-box in her hand—she said, "I cannot pay you, all my money is in this box and I cannot get it open"—she asked if I had a knife—I lent her one—she tried to open the box and could not—she asked me to try—I said, "Come out and go to the lamp-post"—she tried there but could not open it—the policeman came and took her.

DAVID CHAMPION . (police-constable C 86.) I took the prisoner and the witness at the lamp with this box—the prisoner said she had brought it from Ireland and could not pay the cab-man till she got it open—I said I should detain them, which I did till the morning, when I heard there had been a cash-box lost from Somers-town.

GUILTY. Aged 29.—of stealing only, Transported for Seven Years.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-889
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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889. THOMAS HARVEY was indicted for stealing 4 shillings and 4 half-pence; the property of Isaac Thomas, his master.

ISAAC THOMAS . The prisoner was in my service. On Saturday afternoon, the 1st of March, I gave Callaghan 4s. 2d. to give to the prisoner for some potatoes—he never brought the 4s. 2d. or the potatoes, but he left the cart—I got that back.

MARY CALLAGHAN . I went in the cart to Tooley-street—I gave the prisoner the 4s. 2d—he was to come into the warehouse and pay for the potatoes and take them home—I went in to bargain for more, and when I came out to look for the prisoner in about five minutes he was gone, also the cart and the 4s. 2d.—I went to buy some potatoes for myself as well as for Mr. Thomas.

Prisoner. When I got out I lost the money.

GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Three Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-890
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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890. MARY ANN PRITCHARD was indicted for bigamy.

WILLIAM ELLIOTT (police-constable N 411.) I went to the prisoner's house at Haggerstone, and asked her if she owned to being married to James Fiaxman—she said, "Yes"—I said, "Where is the person to witness it?" and she directed me to Mrs. Oram—I took her and went to the parish church at St. Leonard's, Shoreditch—I there got this certificate from the Minister of the church, Mr. Plimley—I compared it and it exactly corresponds with the book—I saw the original book there that Mr. Plimley produced—I can swear this a true copy of it—there is no one here to tell who she was married to but her husband—the prisoner said she would own to it being the truth, she would not deny it.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. When did she say that? A. In going to Worship-street—I asked her if'she knew a person named Wisdom—she said, "Yes, Hephzibah Wisdom; she was bridesmaid at my wedding"—she said she hoped God would give her strength to go through the punishment, she would not deny being married to either of them—she said she always supposed her first husband was dead, he had been at sea.

COURT. Q. She said she believed he was dead? A. Yes, she said she used to receive his pay, and had not received any pay for three years and nine months, that she made inquiries, and no one would tell her whether he was dead or alive.


7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-891
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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891. JOHN HUGHES was indicted for stealing 1 dead hare, value 2s., the goods of William Gill.

WILLIAM HENRY DAY . I am in the service of William Gill, a poulterer in Leadenhall-market. On the 15th of March, I saw the prisoner take a hare from my master's shop—he went into the Rose and Crown tap—the officer followed and took him.

Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. Have you been with your roaster long? A. Ten years—the prisoner has been about there, but he has not dealt with us.

WILLIAM BRETTON . I am an officer of Leadenhall-market. I went into the Rose and Crown, and found the prisoner and the hare—the prosecutor identified it—I produce the feet of the hare—the prisoner did not appear to be drunk—when I went in, he said, "There is the hare."

Prisoner. I was in liquor.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 32.— Confined Six Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-892
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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892. ISAAC NEWTON was indicted for stealing 1 handkerchief, value 2s., the goods of Joseph Slatyer, from his person.

JOSEPH SLATYER . I am a tailor, and live in Charles-street, Northampton-square. I was in Aldersgate-street about four o'clock on the 14th of March, attending a funeral—I lost my handkerchief—this is it.

JAMES HAWKINS . I was standing in Little Britain about ten minutes before four o'clock, and saw the prisoner put his hand into the prosecutor's pocket, and take the handkerchief out—I caught hold of him, and he dropped it in the kennel—I picked it up—this is it.

Prisoner. I saw the funeral; this witness caught me by the collar, and accused me of taking the handkerchief; I was not near the gentleman; why did not the witness seize me? Witness. I did seize him directly, and he dropped the handkerchief directly I caught hold of him.

GUILTY.* Aged 18.— Confined Six Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-893
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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893. WILLIAM STONE and WILLIAM EAST were indicted for stealing 1 bushel of oats and barley, value 4s.; and 3 pecks of beans, 3s.; the goods of James Leonard Woodroff, the master of Stone.

JAMES LEONARD WOODROFF . I live at Great Missenden, and am a coach proprietor. I have horses standing at the George Inn, Uxbridge—Stone was my horse-keeper for more than six years—I purchase oats and beans of Mr. Adams, a corn-dealer, at Uxbridge—on the 5th of March, there ought to have been a mixture sent into my stable of two different kinds of oats, and a trifling mixture of barley in three sacks—there had been some beans delivered some days before—the three sacks ought to have contained twelve bushels.

HENRY ADAMS . I am a corn dealer. On the 5th of March, about a quarter before ten o'clock in the morning, I supplied Mr. Woodroff with three sacks of Scotch oats, English oats, and a mixture of foreign barley—they were so peculiar that I can swear to them—this is a sample of what I sent—here is a little foreign barley amongst them—I have not the least doubt about this being part of what I sent—I cannot positively swear to the beans, though I have not the least doubt about them—I sent them in Mr. Bourne's sacks, of Brentford.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Mr. Bourne's sacks are in all parts of the country? A. Yes, he is a barge-master at Brentford, and conveys corn to all parts of the country—I could safely swear to these oats amongst a dozen samples—I had not had this sort above six weeks—I have sold some of these oats to other persons.

HENRY PHILLIPS . I am a labourer to Mr. Adams. I took the sacks of oats to Mr. Woodroff—these oats are exactly like them—I believe them to be the same.

JAMES CLARK . I am servant at the George Inn, at Uxbridge. I saw the two prisoners drinking at that house on the morning of the 5th of March—they remained three quarters of an hour—I saw Stone there again about seven o'clock the same evening, but not East.

LAWRENCE CARRINGTON (police-sergeant T 6.) On Wednesday night,

the 6th of April, about a quarter past eleven o'clock, I saw the prisoners standing in the road, over something—I walked up, and asked what was the matter—East said he had got two sacks, which had come undone, and he wanted to tie them together—he afterwards got them on him, one in front of him, and the other at his back; and Stone went into his own house, which was nearly opposite the spot—East walked along—I walked by his side, and asked what he had got—he said some corn, oats, beans, and brans, which he had had of Messrs. Busby and Bassett—I put my hand on the sack whieh was at his back, and asked if he had that at Bassett's—he then said, "I have brought all I have got from Giles" (which is a beer-shop)—he repeated that several times—I took him to the station, and then he said he did not know what was in the sacks at all—this is a sample of the oats that were in the sack, which was marked with the name of Bourne.

Cross-examined. Q. You looked at both the sacks? A. Yes—the other had some bran in it and split beans—this sack had a quantity of whole beans, and these oats at the bottom—I afterwards went to Stone's house, and called him up.

COURT. Q. Did you go to the stable where the corn ought to have been? A. Yes—I found there one sack of corn, and part of a sack of beans—I found one empty sack there.


NEW COURT.—Wednesday, April 9th, 1845.

Fifth Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-894
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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894. JOSIAH BASTABLE was indicted for stealing 1 half-crown and 1 shilling, the monies of Thomas Keating, his master; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 46.— Confined Six Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-895
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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895. CHARLES COXHEAD was indicted for stealing 56lbs. weight of hay, value 2s. 6d., the goods of Josiah Hunt, his master.

JOSIAH HUNT . I live at Hayes. The prisoner was my carter—on the 27th of March he had to take a load of meadow hay, and half a load of clover hay, to Chelsea—he had a right to take one truss of meadow hay with him for his horses, and no more.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. How long had be been with you? A. About eighteen months.

THOMAS EDLEY . I went with the prisoner to Chelsea on the 27th of March—he had a wagon and three horses—in going along he said, "I have been making a young one this morning"—I said, "What do you mean?"—he said, "Have you been so long on the road and do not know that? I have been making a truss of hay"—we went on to the Bell, and he told me to give him the truss down off the wagon, which I did, and he put it into the stable at the Bell—we only stopped there while we gave the horses a mouthful of hay out of another truss—we went on to Chelsea, and there fed the horses out of the other truss, then took a load of dung, and came back—we called at the Bell again, had some drink, and fed the horses out of the other truss, the truss that was allowed for them—they never had any out of the young one.

Cross-examined. Q. Where were you when the horses were feeding at the Bell, when you first stopped there? A. On the wagon—I did not come down—we had one truss of meadow hay for the horses—the truss carried into the stable at the Bell was meadow hay—I saw it carried into the stable—it was not put on the wagon, or under the wagon, and brought to town—when we returned I rode on the wagon—56lbs. of hay amongst three horses would be poor fare—as we were going home the wagon broke down—I was not at the Bell all the time the horses were feeding—it was about eight o'clock when we got to the Bell the first time, and I think about two when we returned—we stopped there about an hour the second time.

LAWRENCE MANGLE (police-sergeant T 6.) I took the prisoner—he said, "This is through a run-away boy; I suppose he will suffer for it as well as I; the crime was not very great, there was not quite a truss.

GUILTY . Aged 23.— Confined Four Months. (There was another indictment against the prisoner.)

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-896
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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896. JOSEPH EASTON and EDWARD COURT were indicted for stealing 461bs. weight of fat, value 16s., the goods of Charles Palmer, the master of Easton.

MR. DOANE conducted the Prosecution.

CHARLES PALMER . I am a butcher, and live in High-street, Poplar. Easton was my journeyman for nine or ten months—he had 11s. a-week, with board and lodging—I occasionally employed Court, and gave him 5s. or 6s. a-day. On the 14th of March, about half-past five, I went to market, and left Easton at home—I had heard something a fortnight before, and desired Mr. Cook, my neighbour, to watch—I returned about eight o'clock, and went to my slaughter-house—I have some fat-sacks—I examined them, and found the fat in them waa eight or ten stone deficient—in consequence of information, I got an officer and went to Court's lodging in Cotton-street, Poplar—I found him just going in at his door—the officer told him that Mr. Palmer charged him with taking something from a sack out of his shop—Court said he had not been near the shop—I gave him into custody—I have seen the fat since—there was about 561lbs. of it—I believe it belonged to me—it was the same sort as I had seen in'my sacks the night before—there were two pieces that I could distinguish—they were taken from the heart, and I had skewered them round—they were there the night before.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Easton is about twenty-three years old? A. I believe he is—he has a wife and a child—he was some time in business for himself.

ROBERT COOK . I am a tobacconist. I live opposite the prosecutor. On the morning of the 13th of March I heard a whistle—I looked out of window, and saw Court pass by the prosecutor's shop—I saw a gas-light burning in the shop, which was put out by somebody inside—I afterwards saw Easton come to the shop-door, and let out Court with a sack on his shoulder, and go away—it appeared to me to be such a sack as that produced by the policeman.

CHARLES WRIGHT (police-constable K 259.) I went with the prosecutor to Court's lodging—he said that Mr. Palmer's man had given him some fat that morning—I took him to the station, and went back to his lodging—I

found in the back room this sack, containing 561bs. of fat, which the prosecutor identified.

JOSEPH BEALE (police-constable K 252.) I took Easttra—he ailed what I wanted him for—I said respecting some fat that Mr. Palmer had lost—he said, "I gave Court some fat this morning."

(The prisoner received a good character.)


COURT— GUILTY . Aged 40.

confined three months.

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Reference Numbert18450407-897
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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897. SAMUEL AXFORD was indicted for stealing 1 coat, value 18s.; the goods of Francis Edwards.

JOHN JONES . I am foreman to Francis Edwards, a tailor, in Newgate-street. About half-past nine o'clock in the morning, on the 15th of March, I was in the shop, and beard a noise at the door, and a block in the lobby, which had had a coat on it, fell down—I ran out, and law the prisoner running away with the coat—I caught him with it—it had this ticket on it.

Prisoner. It was lying in the path; I picked it up and walked away with it. Witness. The block was tied up—it could not fall without befog pulled—the prisoner ran away.

GUILTY .* Aged 21.— confined for Six Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-898
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown

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898. RICHARD LANGDALE, FREDERICK PAYNE , and THOMAS ETTERIDGE , were indicted for breaking and entering the ware-house of John Symonds, on the 16th of March, at St. Catherine Cree, and stealing therein 224 1bs. weight of tea, value 35l.; and 2 chests, 2s.; his property.

MR. DOANE conducted the Prosecution.

JOSEPH CRUSHET . I work at the Saracen's Head-inn-yard, at Aldgate—it is kept by Mr. John Symonds—he has a warehouse as well as a booking-office. On Thursday, the 13th of March, I was in the booking-office—I saw Langdale take the key out of the booking-office door, and put it into a box of red putty—I told Mr. An sell, the book-keeper, in the course of the day, what I had seen—here is a box of red putty, produced by the officer—it is such a box as I saw Langdale have, and the putty in it was red, the same as this is—Langdale was formerly employed as ostler in the yard.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. You do not know that this is the box? A. No—there are two doors into the warehouse, and one into the booking-office—Langdale took the key out of the booking-office door.

COURT. Q. Did you tell the Magistrate it was the booking-office door, or the warehouse door? A. I do not know, but it is all as one, by opening the door, the key of which I saw him take out, you could get to the warehouse—there is a door between the warehouse, and the booking-office—that door is not locked, it is only bolted in the booking-office.

THOMAS ANSELL . I am book-keeper to Mr. Symonds. On the 13th of March Crushet communicated to me what he had seen—I examined the key of the booking-office door, and found the wards filled with red putty—anybody, by going in at that door, could get into the warehouse—I directly gave information to the police—on Saturday, the 15th of March, I observed Langdale and Payne alternately looking out of the tap-room

window into the yard, towards the warehouse, for full six hours—that window commanded a full view of all that would come into the warehouse or booking-office—there were two chests of tea came into the premises that day, they were to go to Ipswich on the Monday, and were deposited in the warehouse—I saw them safe there at eight o'clock that Saturday night—I left a few minutes after—I secured the warehouse door inside and locked the office door—there is a bar goes across the folding doors of the warehouse on the outside, and fastens on the inside—on the Sunday evening I was sent for, and missed the two chests of tea from the warehouse—the two chests were found broken to pieces on a dung-heap about fifty yards from the warehouse—the officer showed me the remains of the chests at the station—there was a direction on one—the direction of the other was torn off—I knew them to be the same—the chests weighed about lcwt. each, and the tea was worth about 35l.—Langdale had no right in the office.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. Is not the tap which looks towards the warehouse very much frequented? A. Middlingly so—persons in the tap could look out into the yard—I have seen persons looking out there, but not for such a length of time—I know Payne had been about there—I have seen some of his cards, directed to the Saracen's Head—he asked me, about four months ago, to allow him to have two pointer dogs chained up in the stable for a night or two, and I allowed him—I have seen him have dogs there—I saw a little dog with him on that Saturday.

MR. DOANE. Q. What did the cards describe him to be? A. A dog-dealer.

JOHN SHERLOCK . I work at Mr. Frank's, a farrier, who has his place of business in the Saracen's Head yard. On that Sunday evening, between seven and eight, I was there by myself—I heard a noise, which seemed to come from Mr. Symonds's warehouse door—I got up, and went to see what it was—I saw Payne standing two or three yards from the warehouse door—about nine o'clock the same night I heard a noise—I looked out again, and saw Payne on the opposite side of the yard—I told Mr. Odell, who keeps the inn.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. Have you not often seen Payne there? A. Yes, in the day-time, down the yard.

JAMES ODELL . I keep the Saracen's Head inn—Sherlock gave me information, a little after nine o'clock, on that Sunday evening—I went and examined the warehouse—the bar which goes across the outside of the warehouse door was down—I observed that Langdale and Payne, and my boots and another man, were in the tap at that time—I went to let Mr. Symonds know what I had observed, and met the policeman on the way—I returned to my house, and found Etteridge, the cabman, in the bar—I did not notice any cab at that time—I went into the bar, and found Etteridge and Payne in the bar drinking, and Langdale was in the tap—(I had seen Langdale and Payne there in the afternoon, and they had dined there as usual)—about ten minutes afterwards I went up to the gallery, where the officer was, and saw a cab go out of the yard—it had just started away—I saw Langdale by the cab but I cannot say who drove it—I called to the officer, who ran down, but was some time in going down—Langdale took the dog, and ran after the cab.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. How long has Payne been living there? A. The last time was four or five months—he was stopping there

sometimes—he had only one dog at that time—he did not lodge there then.

THOMAS WRIGHT . I am ostler at the Saracen's Head. On that Sunday afternoon I went there between two and three o'clock, after dinner—I taw Langdale and Payne there, who appeared as if they had just had their dinner—they were in the tap-room—after some time they went out, and I did not see them again till about seven in the evening—they were there till eight or nine o'clock, and then went out—I heard the noise of something coming down the yard—I afterwards saw Payne and Langdale in the tap, and a man like a caiman came in with them, who wat about the nse of Etteridge—he brought out a pint of beer, and Payne drank with him—then Payne went and fetched another pint, and Langdale came, and they all drank it.

Cross-examined by Mr. O'Biien. Q. Was this in the public room? A. Yes; but there were no other persons there.

FRANCIS OFFER (City police-constable, No. 525.) On that Sunday night, about a quarter-past nine o'clock, I saw an obstruction of some omnibuses, and I saw Etteridge drive a cab down the Saracen's Head yard—I knew Etteridge, but I did not know then where that cab put up at—I made inquiries, and went to the Blue Boar inn yard at Aldgate—I waited there till half-past twelve at night, and then Etteridge drove the cab into the yard—I asked if he had not been to the Saracen's Head yard that night—' he did not answer, but, after putting the question the third time, he said, "Why, yes"—he said he drove into the Saracen's Head yard at half-past nine or a quarter-past nine—I said he was my prisoner—I brought him oat of the Blue Boar yard, and we met Payne and Langdale in Aldgate, coming in a direction towards the Blue Boar—I had but just come oot of the yard when they came up—I took them into custody—Etteridge was by my side, but they did not know I had him in custody—I said, "We will go to the station," and said to Etteridge, "Come on"—I believe it was Langdale said to Etteridge, "Old fellow, are you in the mess?"—when we got to the station, Etteridge said he was engaged to go to the Saracen's Head yard to take up a fare; that he went, and had a pint of half-and-half; he was then called out, got on the box, and was told, to drive to the White Horse, in Petticoat-lane—he said he went to the White Horse, and had a pint of half-and-half; the man who took him paid for it, and got on the cab-box with him; that he then drove to the bottom of the lane, and, as he turned the corner, the man on the box said, "Wohey," and immediately a lot came up and opened the cab-door, and out fell two sacks, and that was the first he knew that the sacks were in the cab—I took him to Petticoat-lane, to show me where he took these sacks—he took me into the lane, but he did not apparently know the White Horse—he was told which was the White Horse, and he said that was it—he showed where the sacks were taken out of the cab, it was at the bottom of the lane, not at any house.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Did you look into the cab that night? A. Yes—it is a common box-cab, and opens at the side—I observed the number, but I cannot recollect it now—it was quite plain on the cab—Etteridge had his badge.

JOHN COLE (City police-constable, No. 502.) I searched Payne and Langdale at the station that Sunday night—I found on Langdale a comb, and on Payne seven sovereigns, this box of red putty, and three duplicates,

one of which is for a suit of clothes pledged on the 6th of Peb.—one of them is dated the 21st of Sept., and another the 28th of Dec.—they are all for wearing apparel except the one of the 28th of Dec, which is for a silver watch, a gun, and a powder-flask.

WILLIAM MOORE . I live in Hand-and-Pen-court, Leadenhall-street, and am a licensed conductor to an omnibus; I have known Payne eighteen years. On Saturday forenoon, the 16th of March, about half-past ten o'clock, I met him, and he asked me to lend him 6d., which I did.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. What has been his character? A. I never knew anything wrong of him.


PAYNE— GUILTY . Aged 34.

Transported for Ten years.


(There was another indictment against Langdale and Payne.)

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-899
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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Prisoner. I was going through the market, and took it up to look at it. Witness. He had got the length of this Court from my master's.

JOHN GEORGE . I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction, which I got at Mr. Clark's office—(read, Convicted the 22nd of Aug.,1842, and confined three months)—the prisoner is the person.

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NEW COURT.—Thursday, April 10th 1845

Sixth Jury, before Mr. Recorder.

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905. JOHN MATHAM was indicted for stealing 300 yards of Parisian lustre, value 8l.; 66 yards of fancy check, 2l.; 100 yards of merino, 6l.; 150 yards of mouslaine-de-laine, 6l.; 22 boards, 2l.; 1 truck, 2l.; and 1 basket 3s.; the goods of James Toplis: and JAMES DOLAN and MARY ANN CHAPPELL , for feloniously receiving the same, well knowing them to have been stolen.

MR. BALLANTINE conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN YEOMAN HAMILTON . I am in the employ of Mr. James Toplis, the New Bridge-street, Blackfriars; he is a surveyor to the Sun Fire-office; his warehouses are in Water-lane. Early in March some goods bad been brought from a fire in Gutter-lane, to Mr. Toplis's warehouses in Water-lane—there were some woollen and cotton cloths, and some merino—I do not know Parisian lustre by the name—some of the cloths were wound on pieces of wood—on the 25th of March, between three and four o'clock, I was on my master's premises, and from what one of the servants told me I went into the loft where some of these goods were—I found the prisoner Matham there, putting them paper parcels into a sack—I asked him if he had come from Mr. Mots—he said, "Yes"—I saw him put ten parcels into the sack—after putting them in he took up some rug*—I asked him what he was going to do with them—he said he was going to take away three pieces of carpet—I told him they were dry, and were not to go—he said he would go and fetch an order for them, or something of the some sort—he then tied up the sack in which the ten parcels were—he then took six pieces of merino which were folded on boards—he put them by the side of the sack—he also took six pieces of check, which I put down as muslins—he threw the sack, the three rugs, and the other things, all down from the loft into the warehouse below—(he did not take the rugs away)—he went down; I followed, and saw him put the things into my master's truck—before he took them I desired to have a receipt—I wrote it, and be signed it—this is it: "Received, 10 brown paper parcel", 6 pieces of muslin, 6 pieces of black merino. 25th March, 1845. JOHN WILLIAMS"—I saw him assume and sign this name.

Matham. Q. When I went down with the sergeant of police, did you not say the goods were delivered on Wednesday? A. No, on Tuesday—I did not say you took them away on the Wednesday.

Matham. You first said that the cook said she could identify me, and when I went before the housemaid and the cook they said they could not swear to me, that it was a bigger man than me; and when you was asked a second time, you said, M I think he is the man;" on your oath, did you not say those words in the passage, before the cook and the housemaid? Witness. I said, "I think he is the man"—I do not remember saying anything about whether it was Tuesday or Wednesday in the hall—it happened on Tuesday, the 25th of March—he had the same coat on that he has now, and a hat—I never saw him before—he was in my company about a quarter of an hour—I have no doubt that he is the person.

Matham. I can prove that I had not this coat on on the Tuesday or Wednesday; I had a velveteen coat on, which I pawned; I put on the coat I have on now on the afternoon I was taken into custody.

JAMES TOPLIS . I am an appraiser. I appraise for fire-offices—I have premises in Water-lane, connected with my house—on the 25th of March I believe these articles were on my premises—some article! had been sent there from a fire in Gutter-lane—I employed a person named Moss for the purpose of drying those goods—my servant had no authority to deliver them to any person except Moss.

COURT. Q. Would the goods be delivered for the purpose of drying to any person coming in Moss's name? A. Moss had had part of them on the Saturday, his cart would not hold any more, and he was to come on the Wednesday morning before eight o'clock for the remainder, but in the interval the goods were removed.

GEORGE ROKINS . I live with my father in Elliott's-court, Old Bailey. Elliott's-court is at the back of No. 22, Old Bailey—there is a yard to that house—on the afternoon of the 25th of March I was in the Old Bailey, and saw Matham with a truck—I had never seen him before, but I have no doubt he is the person—the wheel of the truck stuck in the gutter, and I went and shoved it out—I then held the truck while he chucked the goods, which were in brown paper parcels, into the yard of No. 21 and 22—the parcels were between two and three feet long—I did uot see any sack—it was a flat truck.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. The truck was going into the yard, was it not? A. It did go in—I saw more than one parcel—the yard is no thoroughfare—there are two houses there.

Matham. Q. Do you mean to say you saw me in Elliott's-paisage on Tuesday with a truck? A. I did not say Elliott's-passage—I saw you in the Old Bailey—you was stuck in the kennel, and I shoved you out—I saw you throw parcels into the yard—there is room for a truck to go up Elliott's-passage without going into the Lamb Coffee-house-1 positively say you are the man.

COURT. Q. Did you hear him speak? A. He said, "Hold the track while I just run into this yard"—I recollect his voice—it appeared like the prisoner's voice—I did not see what the things were in the truck—it was a flat truck, without any sides to it—there were long rolls in the truck—I only saw paper on one of them—he said to a boy named Ward, and another, "You take this truck to the bottom of Skinner-street, and I will meet you there."

JAMES WARD . I live in Elliott's-court, Old Bailey. On Tuesday afternoon, the 25th of March, I was playing about half-past four o'clock—I saw a truck and some things on it, which I thought were cloths—Matham was with them, and I saw him put the cloths, as I thought they were, into the yard—there were a good many parcels—I saw him put more than one parcel into the yard—they were on boards—I did not see him with any sack—he said to me, "Will you run this truck to the bottom of Skinner-street, and wait till I come?"—I and another boy took the truck—it was empty—the prisoner came there and gave me a penny and a cake, and the other boy a penny and a cake—he said, "You have no occasion to say you saw anything"—there is a place in Farringdon-street which is dug for the foundation of a house—he jumped down there with the truck, and shoved it under the archway.

WILLIAM HUNT (police-sergeant E 4.) On Thursday, the 27th of March, I was at the station in St. Giles's—I saw Matham there—I had previously received information of this robbery—my inspector called my

attention to Matham, and I requested him to accompany me to Mr. Toplis—he said yes he would, but he would have a cab,—I got a cab, and went with him to Mr. Toplis—Hamilton came from a door in the house to the hall and he said, "That is the man"—I then took Matham into custody—as we were going to Mr. Toplis's Matham requested me, if they should say it was him, that I would take a message to his wife—I asked her address—he hesitated some time, and then said she was staying with a friend at No. 22, Old Bailey—I took him to the station—I and Barnes went to No. 22, Old Bailey, to the first floor front room—I saw the prisoner Dolan there and his wife, who is not in custody—I said, "You have had a young man named Matham staying with you?"—Dolan said, "Yes, I have"—I asked whether he knew where Matham's wife was, he said, "No"—I then asked whether he had any objection to our searching his room—he said, "No"—I did not find any cloth in the room, but I observed a quantity of pieces of wood in a cupboard, of the same description as some wood which is here produced—I cannot say that this is any of the wood out of the cupboard—these pieces appear to have been burnt at one end, so did many of the others—I was not aware at that time that any wood had been taken, or that the goods taken had been folded on boards—I asked Dolan particularly whether he occupied any other room in the house—he said, "No"—I then went to Mr. Toplis and obtained from him a description of the goods stolen—I then went back in company with Barnes to No. 22, Old Bailey—I had been gone about an hour—I went into Elliott's-court, and entered by the back-way into No. 22, and Barnes went in at the front—when I got into the yard I observed Barnes and Dolan in the yard—Dolan was standing near the door of the water-closet, and he had the bundle of wood which I produce, in his hand, tied round with this handkerchief—Barnes was in the act of taking it from him—I have kept the wood ever since—Barnes left Dolan in my care, and he went into the house—he returned with a piece of black merino burning—this is the fragments of it—I went into the house, and up stairs to a back attic, which I had not been into before—I then went into the room in which I had at first seen Dolan—I observed these remnants of black merino on a board in that room—they were not upon the board when I went into that room on the first occasion—I then went to the cupboard in the room where I had seen the wood—there was some wood there, but a quantity had been taken away since my previous visit—I had not taken Dolan away on my first visit—I left him there, and there were many other persons in the house—Dolan was in the room when I found this merino on the board—I had taken him up, and he saw me find it—I said to him, "You did wrong in not telling me on my previous visit that you occupied another room"—he said, "You did not ask me," but I had asked him.

COURT. Q. Did you say, "Is this the room you occupy?" or, "Have you any other room?" A. I put the question whether he had another room or not—there was accommodation in that room for a man and his wife, to sleep and live.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. After you had taken Dolan to the station, did you return to the yard of No. 22, and go to the privy near which you had seen Dolan standing? A. Yes, I found amongst the soil in the privy these remnants of black merino which I produce—I have examined them, and there is the appearance of fire upon them—there were other things down the privy, which appeared to be rags; but when we had taken these

up, it removed the obstruction at the bottom, and the others flowed away with the soil—from information which I had received, I went to White'salley, Fetter-lane—I there found the prisoner Chappell in the front parlour—I said to her, "Where is the bundle you brought with you?"—she said "I did not bring one"—Barnes was with me, and he found this bundle on the floor, by the side of the chair on which Chappell was sitting—the table was between me and the bundle, which prevented me from seeing it when I first entered the room—she was sitting on the opposite side of the table to me—when Barnes found this bundle, containing two dresses, Chappell said, "That is mine"—I said I must take her into custody, which I did—on the way to the station she said the things were given to her by a young man—I said, "Were they?"—she said, "Yes, by John Matham."

Matham. On our way from St. Giles's, did I mention the word, "Go to my wife at 22, Old Bailey?" or, did not the inspector say that Devonshire was on the look-out for me and my wife at 22, Old Bailey? Witness. The prisoner mentioned his address to me in the cab, on our way to Mr. Toplis—it was after that that the inspector said Devonshire was on the look-out for his wife in the Old Bailey—I heard of the prisoner having on a velvet coat—two female servants saw him at Mr. Toplis's—one of them said she could not swear to him, as she only saw his back—she did not say it was a taller man than him—Hamilton said at first, the prisoner was the man—the prisoner looked at him, and then he said, "I think that is the man;" but, at the station, he said again he was the man—Hamilton first said he was the man; and after that, that he thought he was the man.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. Do you know that Dolan is a tailor? A. Yes—you can go two different ways into No. 22, Old Bailey, if the yard-door is unfastened—you can go to the top of the house without at all entering Dolan's room—I do not know how many families live there—I believe the house is full—I found nothing but some wood in Dolan's room, and there were several cuttings about—I took no particular notice of the wood in the cupboard the first time—I found this merino on his work-board—there is access to that water-closet from two houses in the court.

THOMAS BARNES (City police-constable No. 334.) On the 27th of March, Matham was brought to the station in Black-horse-court, by Hunt, and I accompanied Hunt to No. 22, Old Bailey—I went up stairs into Dolan's room—Hunt asked if he knew a person named Matham—he said he did—Hunt asked if he could inform him where his wife lived—he told him, no—Hunt said, "You have no objection to my looking round the room"—he said, "Not the least"—Hunt said, "Is this the only room you occupy?"—he said, "It is;" and his wife also said that was the only room—I went with Hunt to Mr. Toplis, and then came back to No. 22, Old Bailey—I went in at the front door, leaving Hunt to go round—I entered the house, and saw Dolan come out of his room, and go down a flight of steps into the yard—he walked across the yard with this bundle of wood in his arms—he took it to the hole of the privy, and was about shooting it down—there is a door to the privy, and he was inside the door—I saw him throw something apparently black down the hole—it was not rolled up; it was compressed in the hand—when he was about to throw the bundle of wood down, I caught hold of him and said, "What have you got there?"—he said, "It is only some wood"—I said,

"It is a queer place to throw wood"—Hunt came into the yard—I left Dolan with him, and I went up to the room which we had searched before—I found some remnants of black merino burning on the fire, I took a portion of it off, and took it down to Hunt in the yard—this is it—this is all I was able to save—the other was burnt too much for me to get it off the fire—there were some remnants of black merino on the board in the room—they had not been there when we searched the room previously—after we had taken Dolan to the station, we returned and searched the privy, and found four pieces of this cloth, and two pieces of black merino—I had seen Dolan throw something black down, and this black merino was lying on the top—there was a great quantity of other stuffs there, which we could not get up—I had noticed a broom in the yard, the yard, the handle of which was covered with soil better than half way up, and that it was which drew my attention to the privy—I went with Hunt and took Chappell into custody—when Hunt went in he said, "Here she is," and he said to her, "I want you; where is the bundle you brought in with you?"—she said, "I have not brought any"—Hunt requested me to look round, and I found the bundle close to Chappell, under the cloth which was hanging over the table—she said, "That is mine;" and her sister-in-law began to upbraid her for bringing such a thing into the place—on the way to the station, Chappell said Matham gave her the bundle—next day I was standing near the female prisoner's cell, at the police-court—the cells are divided by a partition, and Matham was in a cell oil the other side of the partition—he climbed up to the top of his partition, and called out, "Chappell"—he called some Christian name which I do not recollect—Chappell looked up and said, "Oh, who shall I say gave it me?"—he said, "Hold your tongue; say nothing"—there was a female prisoner in the cell where Chappell was—she saw me looking through the grating, and immediately spoke to Chappell, saying something abomt my watching, and there was nothing more said—the turnkey desired Matham to get down.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you know that Dolan, was a tailor? A. I saw various things on the board—we looked round the room, and were satisfied there was nothing there.

Matham. I never opened my lips to the female, and never climbed up; you went to No. 22, the day after we were remanded, and offered money to a man if he would come and swear the things were brought into Dolan's room; the officer told her to say I gave it to her. Witness. I never offered a farthing to any man—I asked the person that he if speaking of if he could tell me where the young woman lived—I inquired whether anybody in that house could prove Matham brought things into Dolan's room—Chappell said, on the first examination, that it was another man gave her the bundle, not Matham—but on the way she said Matham gave it to her—it is false that I told her to say that Matham gave it to her.

Chappell. I said another young man gave me the things the moment they asked me; he is now at Eyre-street-hill; I can take my oath it was not Matham gave them to me.

ANN COWLEY WILLIAMS . I am twelve years old—I live with my father, at No. 22, Old Bailey—I know the yard at the back of the house—I saw the prisoner Chappell there, at past five o'clock in the afternoon, on the 27th of March—I saw her go into the water-closet in the yard two or three times—she came out and caught something in her lap, which

came out of the top window—I cannot say what it was—she opened the yard door, and went up the court.

Chappell. There is no thoroughfare up the court. Witness. Persons cannot get up the court, but they would go out into the Old Bailey.

MARY ANN HEAD . I am the wife of Henry Head, I live in one of the back attics of the house, No. 22, Old Bailey—I have understood that Dolan rents the other back attic—I never heard him say so, and nerer saw him in it—he is married, I believe, and is living with Mrs. Dolan—I do not remember that I have seen her in the back attic—on the evening of Tuesday, the 25th of March, I saw some paper parcels standing on the landing of the staircase—I saw some kind of plaid or stripe under the parcels—they were on the floor at the top of the staircase, opposite the doors of the two back attics—our doors join—there are two other rooms further on—the parcels never went into my room—I never saw where they went—I had seen Chappell twice—I saw her husband, who is the prisoner Matham in Dolan's room, on the morning of the execution, Easter Monday, the 24th of March—the house commands a view of the street—on Wednesday morning, the 26th, she brought me two dresses, about eleven o'clock, and wished me to make one by Thursday evening—these are the dresses—on Thursday evening, about six o'clock, she came and said she wished to take those dresses, as she was in a bother with him, alluding, as I supposed, to her husband—I considered them man and wife—I never heard her name—it was by the manner they lived that I considered them man and wife—when she asked for the dresses I gave her one, and the other she asked me to give her out of the window—my husband was standing close to the window, and he threw it to her out of our window, one of the back attics—I was in my room on the Wednesday morning—Matham knocked at my door, and asked me to lend him a hammer and a nail, which I did—he was then at the door of the room next to mine, and he went into that room with the nail and hammer.

COURT. Q. Do you know of any person dwelling in or occupying the attic adjoining your own? A. Yes, a man who lodges with Dolan has always slept in that room during the time we have been there—I do not know his name—it was not Matham.

Matham. Q. What time on the Wednesday morning was it I came to you? A. I cannot remember—I went down into Mrs. Dolan's room between two and three o'clock—I am not aware of three half quarterns of gin being sent for—I did not give 6d. to any man to fetch gin—there was some gin there—I came down to tell your wife there was not enough to make flounces for the dresses.

Chappell. When I went up to know if the dresses were done she said, "I think you are in a bother with your husband; "I said, "No, I am not;" she said she would throw them out of window; and when they were thrown out I took them away.

ROBERT WILLIAMS . I am the owner of the house No. 22, Old Bailey, Dolan occupies the back attic, next to Head's—he has paid the rent for that and the room he lives in, for about two years and a half.

Cross-examined. Q. How many lodgers are in the house? A. About five rooms are occupied by five different sets of lodgers—the water-closet is open to them all, and to all the houses up the court.

WILLIAM DEVONSHIRE (City police-constable, No. 237.) On the evening

of the 25th of March, I went to a yard at the back of No. 22, Old Bailey—I found this basket, with nothing in it, in a dust-heap at the back of No. 21—I then went to Farringdon-street, and found the truck under the arches.

Matham. Q. Did you not state at Guildhall that you took the basket on the Wednesday? A. No, I took it on the 25 th.

JOHN ALFORD . I am a porter, and am occasionally in the employ of Mr. Toplis. On the 15th of March I brought some goods from Mr. Newton's, in Gutter-lane, where there had been a fire—on Saturday, the 22nd of March, I was in Mr. Toplis's warehouse, and saw Matham waiting in the yard—he said he was waiting for a cart to come to fetch some dung away—on Tuesday evening, the 25th of March, I went to Mr. Toplis's, and found that some of the things which I had taken there were gone from the loft—I believe these produced are part of them—there was a check of this pattern—these merinos are of a variety of qualities—I know this other article by no other name than French lustre—I cannot say what it is made of—there were articles like these taken—I know this basket perfectly well—it is Mr. Toplis's—it was kept in the loft, but I brought it down, and put it into the coach-house—tbe truck was one of Mr. Toplis's—I have had the drawing of it for some years—the goods were more or less damaged by the fire—the ends were burnt.

Cross-examined. Q. Is not black merino like this used generally for the lining of coats? A, I do not know that—I know we had several pieces of black merino.

LANCELOT NEWTON . I am a merchant, and live at No. 31, Gutter-lane. I had a fire on my premises, and had articles precisely the same as these on my premises—they were sent tp Mr. Toplis's—I had exactly the same goods as this Parisian lustre, which is made of cotton and woollen, and this mousline-de-laine—I had thirty pieces of black merino—the goods were all more or less damaged by the fire, or by the water—this piece of lustre does not appear to have been damaged—there might have been some part of it which was not damaged—the inner folds would not necessarily be exposed to the action of fire or water—small portions of these articles being in an undamaged state, do not prove that they did not fonn a part of that which was partly damaged—I did not examine every piece after the fire—there might have been a piece or two that were not damaged, as they were piled together.

MARIA MARRABELLO . I live at the Fleece public-house, in Little Windmill-street. On Tuesday evening, the 25th of March, between ten and eleven o'clock at night, I received a hand-basket, which I afterwards found contained this mouselin-de-laine, from Mrs. Dolan, in presence of her husband, who was tipsy at the time—she was to call for it the following morning—I gave it to the officer.

WILLIAM MOSS . I live in Little Guildford-street, and am occasionally employed by Mr. Toplis. I was employed by him about some articles saved from a fire—I had part of them, and was to send again for the remainder—I do not know Matham—I sent a message to Mr. Toplis on the 25th of March, but I did not send him any one for any goods.

JOHN YEOMAN HAMILTON re-examined. These black merinos are like those we had—these checks are what I delivered to Matham.

LANCELOT NEWTON re-examined. This twenty-three yards of mouselin-de-laine,

found in the basket at Mrs. Marabello's, is the precise pattern that I had, it was in a cupboard, and was but little hurt.

Matham's Defence. I never signed the paper; on the Tuesday evening, at the time stated, I was in the Star public-house, at the corner of the Old Bailey, with my wife, Mr. and Mrs. Dolan, two other females, and a man; I had been up to the west-end of the town after some shirts and things, and between two and three o'clock I called at a butcher's in St. Giles's, to purchase meat for my dinner; I went the same day to Mr. Wells's, the pawnbroker, to get my flannel shirt; I redeemed it for 1s. 6d., and bought a pair of braces for 1s.

(Dolan received a good character.)

MATHAM— GUILTY . Aged 29.— Transported for Seven Years.

DOLAN— GUILTY. Aged 49.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury, on account of his character. Confined Twelve Months.


NEW COURT.—Friday, April 11th, 1845.

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909. FREDERICK GEORGE ARKELL was indicted for stealing, on the 14th of Jan., 64 prints, value 1l.; 97 pictures, 6l.; and 8 frames, 17s.; the goods of Thomas Crump Lewis, his master: also, on the 25th of March, 3 1/2 lbs. weight of wool, 35s.; also, on the 28th of March, 4oz. weight of wool, 2s. 6d.; the goods of William Giles, his master: to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 20.— Transported for Seven Years.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-910
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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910. JANE WILLIAMS and MARY ANN BROWN were indicted for unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. ELLIS and DOANE conducted the Prosecution.

ELIZABETH ADDIS . I live with my nephew, who keeps the Angel and

Sun public-house, in the Strand. On Saturday, the 29th of March, the prisoners came there, about twenty minutes before four o'clock in the afternoon—Williams asked for half a quartern of gin, which came to 2d.—a good half-crown was given me in payment, and I gave two shillings and 4d. in copper in change—I looked at the shillings, and am confident they were good ones—I examined them—Williams took the silver up, and was poshing it about—I do not know whether she took any of the coppers—she then asked me to give her two sixpences for a shilling—she handed me a shilling, and I gave her two sixpences—I put the shilling into the till, where I had no other shilling—they went away, and soon after they were gone I looked at the shilling Williams had given me, and found it was bad—I saw the constable in two or three minutes, and I gave it to him.

PHILIP PILGRIM (police-constable F 29.) I went into the Angel and Sun, on the 29th of March—I received from Mrs. Addis this bad shilling—I do not recollect that I had seen the prisoners on that day before, but I saw them in two or three minutes afterwards, in Picket-street—I watched them for an hour or more—they went into six or seven different public-houses, and came out together—one was at the corner of Wych-street, and Picket-street—another was the York Arms, in Shire-lane; and they went to the Fountain—I am sure they are the women—I never lost sight of them—they staid five or ten minutes, or a quarter of an hour, in each house.

ELIZA ATTRIL . I live at Mr. Burton's public-home, No. 71, Picket-street, Strand. On the 29th of March, from half-past three to half-past foor o'clock, the prisoners came and had half a quartern of gin, and one of them, I do not know which, gave me a half-crown—they both partook of the gin—Williams had a child—I put down two shillings, and 4d. in copper, before Williams—I cannot say which took it up—it was taken up by one of them, and then Williams tendered me a shilling, and asked me to give her two sixpences—I took up the shilling she gave me—I bit it, and found it was bad—I marked it by biting it—Williams went out, taking the shilling with her—I did not give her the two sixpences—this is the shilling which I bit, and returned to Williams.

FRANCIS AUGUSTUS HENRY FARNHAM . I am the son of Francis Farnham, who keeps the Fountain, in Shire-lane. On the 29th of March the prisoners came in together—Williams called for half a quartern of gin, and put down a good half-crown to pay for it—both of them drank the gin——I put down four sixpences, and 4d. in copper for the change of the half-crown, and Williams asked me to change the sixpences for two shillings—she took up the change, and gave the 4d. to Brown—Williams then called for another half-quartern of gin, and gave me a shilling to pay for it—I said, "Can't you pay me in halfpence, as I have just given you some?"—she said, "No, I owe this young woman fourpence"—I was going out to get change for the shilling, and met the officer at the door—he said, "Look at the shilling, they are two noted smashers"—I gave it to the officer.

Williams. You gave me two shillings for the four sixpences, and that was one of them. Witness. No, it was not.

MR. ELLIS. Q. Did you observe the two shillings when you gave them to William's? A. I know they were good ones—I did not examine to see if they were good—I took them from a pile of ten shillings on a

shelf where there was 2l. or 3l. worth of silver, to give change—I took the first two shillings.

JOHN BIGGER (police-constable F 144.) On the 29th of March I saw the prisoners in the Strand, about a quarter before four o'clock in the afternoon—they went into four different public-houses in the neighbourhood of St. Clement's Church-yard—they went into one at the corner of Wych-street, and I then saw them go into the Fountain—I waited outside, and after some time I saw Farnham come out—he gave me this shilling—I had no other—it is the same that I showed to Eliza Attril this morning in Court—I found a good shilling in Williams's hand.

Williams. The good shilling was the other one given to me by Farnham, with the other one; and that tooth-mark on it, Farnham did himself at the door; the officer told him to do it.

FRANCIS AUGUSTUS HENRY FARNHAM re-examined. I bit it in the middle—if you look you will see a little dent in it—I made some scratches on the neck that I might know it again—I did not make this mark at the edge, nor these straight scratches.

ELIZA ATTRIL re-examined. There is a small plain place near the edge where I bit it—I do not know whether it was on the face or the back—this is the mark at the bottom of the neck on the reverse side.

JOHN BIGGER re-examined. I made these scratches on it that I might know it again—it is No. 144.

MR. JOHN FIELD . I am inspector of coin to the Royal Mint. These shillings are both counterfeit in all respects.

COURT to F.A.H. FARNHAM. Q. I suppose the public impose a good deal on the publicans, you take a good deal of bad money? A. We are obliged to look at the money before we take it—we took a good deal when we first began in the line—we took four or five bad 5s. pieces, and other bad money—we flung it all into the fire—I examined this shilling when the policeman told me to do so—I was going out to get change—I was not going to put it with the pounds on the shelf—I had put the four sixpences where I had taken the two shillings from, to make up the 10s. on the shelf—I should have put the shilling into the till, if I had had any coppers, but I had not, and I was going to get coppers for it over the way—I did not look at the shilling till the officer told me—I always look at money before I put it into the till.

Williams. It was the shilling he gave me, if it was a bad one; this young woman said, "We will have another half-quartern;" I said, "If we do I will pay for it;"—I had no other shilling but that and the one in my hand; I was never in the shop in the Strand.

JOSEPH MAYCOCK . I keep the Angel and Sun, in the Strand. I was there on Saturday, the 29th of March, when the prisoners came in—I am quite sure they are the parties—I saw the transaction—Williams asked for the gin, and tendered half-a-crown—I noticed that it was good, and I saw my aunt, Mrs. Addis, give 2s. 4d. out—I am quite sure the prisoners are the parties.


BROWN— GUILTY . Aged 17. Confined Six Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-911
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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911. JAMES CHICK was indicted for a like offence.

ELIZABETH KIRKBY . I am the wife of George William Kirkby—he keeps a dairy in, Old-street-road. On the 18th of March the prisoner came

with a basin for 1d. worth of milk, and tendered me a half-crown—I called my husband—he took it up, put it in his mouth, and bent it—he said in the prisoner's hearing that it was a bad one—the prisoner offered to take it back, and pay for the milk with 1d.—he was given in charge.

GEORGE WILLIAM KIRKBY . I am the husband of Elizabeth Kirkby—she called me into the shop, and I saw the prisoner and a half-crown lying on the counter—I bit it, bent it, and I told him it was bad—I pulled him inside—he asked me to let him go—I marked the half-crown, and gave it to the policeman—this is it.

JOSEPH HENRY CHAMBERS (police-constable N 418.) I received the prisoner and half-crown from Mr. Kirkby—there was no other charge against the prisoner, and he was discharged on the 19th of March.

ROBERT NEWCOME . I am a grocer, and live in New York-street, Kings-land-road. On Friday evening, 28th of March, the prisoner came to my shop for half an ounce of tea, and half a pound of sugar, they came to 5d., he gave me a half-crown—I gave him 2s. 1d. change—just as he was leaving I detected that it was bad—I called him back, and told him it was bad—he said his master gave it him, and requested me to give it him back, as no doubt his master would change it—I allowed him to take it—he gave me back the change and the goods—but before that I had given the half-crown to my brother who was in the shop, and said, "This is a bad half-crown"—he bit it and agreed that it was bad—as soon as the prisoner had left the shop I suspected that it was his intention to pass it to some neighbour and told ray brother to follow him—this is the half-crown he offered to me—(looking at one.)

JAMES NEWCOME . My brother Robert gave me this half-crown, and I bit it—the prisoner was going out of the shop with it—I followed and saw him at the corner of one of the back streets, looking as if to see if 1 was coming—he saw me and crossed—I went over and told him he had got a bad half-crown—he said he was looking for the man who gave it him—he tried to run away—the policeman was coming and caught him.

JAMES BRENNAN (police-constable N 69.) On the 28th of March I was on duty—I saw the prisoner running—the witness was following him, and calling "Police"—I was in plain clothes—the prisoner did not notice me, and I caught him—his hand was clenched—I opened it, and found this half-crown in it—he said a man in the street with a white apron gave it him, and sent him to the shop.

MR. JOHN FIELD . These are both counterfeit in all respects.

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Three Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-912
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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912. SARAH CONNOR was indicted for a like offence.


7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-913
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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913. WILLIAM BOGGIS was indicted for unlawfully obtaining, by false pretences, 18 table-cloths, value 6l., the goods of, John Smith Rankin, to which he pleaded

GUILTY.— Judgment Respited.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-914
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > with recommendation
SentenceImprisonment; Imprisonment; Imprisonment

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914. THOMAS VIVIAN, ROBERT DUNNETT , and MARY ANN DAVIS , were indicted for unlawfully having counterfeit coin in their possession, with intent to utter the same.

RICH ARD TRIPP (police-constable T 84.) On the 31st of March I went

with Bradshaw and Lowe to a house in Pump-court, Perkins-rents, Westminster, about twelve o'clock in the day—I went up to the room on the second floor—I burst the door open, and turned my head to the left—I saw Vivian sitting with his face towards me, and Dunnett with his back towards me, and whether Davis was sitting or not I cannot swear, but no sooner had I entered the room than I saw Vivian with a lump of white stuff in his hand—I made towards him, and the instant he saw me he went on his knees, put his hands between his knees and crushed the substance in his hands—his hands immediately went into a tub of water that stood close to him—I considered what he had in his hand was plaster of Paris—I cannot exactly say that what I produce is the remnants of what be crushed—I got him off his knees and kicked the tub over—he said "Now, you b—s, you may do your best or do what you like"—I got the handcuffs on him after a violent struggle, and during the time we were struggling I saw Dunnett and Davis against the fire-place—both of them threw something into the fire-place which I considered to be coin—I heard it fall in, and I saw coin about the floor—they stood close together at the time—I picked up this coin—part was on the floor, and part I took off the fire—I took this spoon off the fire, and the metal that is in it was then melted—I produce six table spoons which I took off the table—they were lying close together—I found in the cupboard a jar of plaster of Paris, and some metal under the grate which I produce.

COURT. Q. Did you see Davis and Dunnett's arms extended, in the act of throwing? A. Yes, I saw them in the act of throwing, and saw the coin scattered about the fire-place—I picked it up from that part of the floor which was nearest to where they were—I took some of the coins off the fire, and dropped them, because they burnt my hands—there was some beef and bread on the table.

Vivian. Q. When you came in, was I not eating my dinner? A. Certainly not—the instant I broke into the room, you looked me in the face.

THOMAS BRADSHAW (police-constable T 130.) I went with the officers to the house in Perkin's-rents—I saw Vivian with some white substance in his hand, breaking it—I saw some pieces fall from behind—he put his hands into a tub of water, and said, "Now, you b—s, do what you like"—Davis went to the fire-place, took a cup off the mantel-piece, about half full of sixpences, and emptied them into the fire—I saw some of them pass through the fire, and fall on the fender—I picked up some, and produce them now—I suppose some of them were melted—I saw another tea-cup with about thirty sixpences in it—I took them myself—I did not see Dunnett do anything—I found a bag in the table-drawer—it contains six counterfeit half-crowns and three shillings—I picked one file off the ground, where Vivian was sitting, and a pair of scissors—I found three other files in the tabledrawer where the money was.

HENRY LOWE (police-constable T 63.) I went to the house—I saw Vivian with a lump of white substance in his hand—he put it between his knees and smashed it all to pieces, then put his hands in a tub of water, and used the expression which has been stated—I saw some sixpences thrown towards the fire by Dunnett—I saw his hand move in the act of throwing—I saw Davis throw some sixpences towards the fire-place—I picked up several in the direction she threw them, and several which Dunnett threw—I have twenty-three in all—I found several pieces of coin, and several pieces of metal under the table and under the grate.

Vivian. Q. When you came into the room, were we not at dinner? A. There was bread and meat on the table, and you were sitting round the table—you had no bread and meat in your hand—you had some white substance.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Have you not made a mistake in saying Dunnett threw anything into the fire? A. No, this is my deposition—(read)—"Dunnett put several pieces into the fire"—he threw them towards the fire—some lighted on the floor and some on the hob.

JAMES MURPHY . I am a bone-chopper—I keep the house in Perkins-rents, the room of which the officer went into—Vivian and Davis have lived there as man and wife for six or seven months, and paid 1s. 6d. a week—I never saw Dunnett.

MR. JOHN FIELD . I have examined the whole of this coin—it is all counterfeit—here are six half-crowns, and a great number of shillings and sixpences—many of them are from the same mould—they do not appear to have been in circulation—some of them are not quite finished—the surplus of the metal on the edge is not removed by a file—these spoons are white or Britannia metal, and the coin is made of the same metal.

Vivian's Defence (written,)—"I had been several months out of employment, and a person insinuated himself into my company and asked if I was acquainted with the mode of coining, as, if I was, he could put several pounds into my pocket. Having satisfied him that I was not, he offered his assistance to instruct me, and, consenting to his scheme, I became his victim. He came to my place and made the mould, and assisted in making the coin; he left me, promising to return in two hours, but instead of his returning some officers in disguise burst open my door, and secured me. Dunnett had not been in the room more than ten minutes; I was about having my dinner and asked him to partake with me."

VIVIAN— GUILTY . Aged 28.— Confined Two Years.

DUNNETT— GUILTY . Aged 45.— Confined Six Months.

DAVIS— GUILTY. Aged 27.—Recommended to mercy by jury. confined six months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-915
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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915. JOSEPH STERRETT and WILLIAM HEMMING were indicted for unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

HENRY GIBBS . I am a chemist and live in Providence-terrace, Chelsea. On the 29th of March, about six o'clock in the evening, Sterrett came to my shop—he asked for a pennyworth of precipitate powder—I served him—he tendered me in payment a bad shilling—I called in the officer and handed it to him.

JAMES FOREMAN (police-constable V 305) On the evening of the 29th of March I was called into Mr. Gibbs's shop, and received a shilling from him—I took Sterrett there—I had been on duty close to the shop—about ten minutes before I was called in I saw the prisoners walking and talking together—I did not see Hemming after I took Sterrett—there being no other charge against Sterrett Mr. Gibbs would not give charge of him.

HEMMING. Q. How do you know me? A. I am sure it was you—I saw you again on the Sunday evening.

REBECCA TAVERNER . I live in Arthur-street, Chelsea—my husband keeps a tobacconist's shop about five minutes' walk from Mr. Gibbs's—on the evening of the 3rd of April Hemming came for half an ounce of the best tobacco—it came to three farthings—he put down a shilling—I took it over

to a neighbour to get change—I gave him the shilling—he came back with me with the shilling in his hand, and asked Hemming, who was still in my shop, if he had any more money about him—he said, "No"—he asked how he came by that shilling—he said by holding a gentleman's horse—he walked out of the shop—I gave the shilling to my daughter to follow him, and gave her directions.

WILLIAM FOUNTAIN . I am a publican and live in Arthur-street. Mrs. Taverner came to me—she shewed me a shilling—I found it was a very bad one—I went with her and found Hemming in her shop—I laid the shilling on the counter before him and asked if he knew it was bad—he said, "No"—I asked if he had any more money—he said no, that he got that for holding a horse—I left the shilling on the counter.

MARY ANN TAVERNER . Between seven and eight o'clock in the evening, on the 3rd of April, I saw the two prisoners and another person with them near my mother's shop—Hemming came into the shop about two minutes afterwards—Mr. Fountain came over, and Hemming went away—I received the shilling from my mother and went out—I saw Hemming go on the other side of the way, and Sterrett and the other joined company with him again—I followed them on to the old burial ground—they got over the wall of the ground, and one of them said to me, "If you don't go from there, I will come over and break your b—neck"—I did not go away—I saw a policeman, and told him—he took Sterrett, and the other two went on—I followed them—the policeman then came after me and took Hemming—the other man got away—I gave the policeman the shilling.

Sterrett. My mother's house is close handy to the shop; I had but just come out. Witness. I knew you before, and knew where you lived—I have not the slightest doubt of you.

THOMAS CORNETT (police-constable V 284.) Mary Ann Taverner gave Sterrett into my custody—I afterwards succeeded in taking Hemming—I saw a third boy, and took him, but he was discharged—I received this shilling from Mary Ann Taverner.

Mr. John Field. These are both counterfeit.



Confined Six Months.

NEW COURT.—Saturday, April 12,1845.

Sixth Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-916
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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916. JAMES GOODALE was indicted for stealing 25lbs. weight of brass, value 1s., the goods of John Newman, his master, to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 13.— Confined Three Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-917
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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917. MATILDA MARRIOTT was indicted for stealing 2 sheets, value 4s., the goods of Harriet Golding, her mistress; 2nd COUNT, stating them to be the goods of William Marsden and others, her masters.

HARRIET GOLDING . I am matron and housekeeper of the Royal Free Hospital, Gray's-inn. The sheets and other articles are under my control, and I am answerable for them—the prisoner was a charwoman there—this pair of sheets belong to the hospital.

HENRY COOPER I am a pawnbroker. These sheets were pawned by the prisoner on the 20th of March.

HARRIET GOLDING re-examined. The prisoner's mother was a nurse in the hospital—she was alive on the 20th of March, but is since dead—these sheets were in her care.


7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-918
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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918. HENRY PRATT was indicted for feloniously forging and uttering an order for the payment of 10l. 10s., with intent to defraud Sir Walter Rockliffe Farquhar, Bart, and others; another COUNT, stating his intent to be to defraud Thomas Home Williams.

THOMAS HOME WILLIAMS . I keep a tavern in Albemarle-street, Piccadilly. On the 26th of March the prisoner came to my house, and represented himself to be Major Henries, just arrived from India—he said his luggage was at the Golden Cross, and asked me if I would take care of it while he went into the country—he said, "I have two watches, one of which I wish you to take care of till I come to town again, it will be sent here in the course of the day"—about one o'clock that day the porter brought the watch from Mr. Dent's in the Strand—the prisoner was not in at the time, but he had made me so fully believe that he was the Major, that I told the porter it was correct—he, however, took the watch back, and brought it again between three and four o'clock—he had just left it in my care, when the prisoner drove up in a cab—I said to the porter, "Here is the Major; stop, and receive your check"—I told the prisoner the watch was come, and I said, "You had better write a check for it"—he said, "My father knows your writing better than he does mine; you write it, and I will sign it" (I had before had some conversation with him about the Right Honourable John Charles Herries, and he told me in the morning that he was going down to his father's seat) I wrote the check, and be signed it—this is it—he said, "The family don't know that I am in town; you had better go down with the check to the bankers, that there may be no mistake"—I went down to Herries and Farquhars' with it—(check read)—"London, March 26,1845.—Messrs. Herries and Co., Please to pay to Mr. Dent the sum of ten guineas, on account of the Right Honourable John Charles Herries. Major R. Herries"—the prisoner wrote this name at the bottom, and he made me believe he was the son of the Right Honourable John Charles Herries—I had said to him several times, "If you are the Major, you are very much altered," for I had not seen him for six or seven years—I knew Captain Herries years ago, and believed the prisoner was him—he told me he was the son of the Right Honourable John Charles Herries—I went with Mr. Dent's porter to Herries and Farquhar's, as I was known there—they would not have paid the check otherwise.

CHARLES ISTED . I am porter to Mr. Dent of the Strand. I went to the hotel in Albermarle-street, and left a gold watch which the prisoner had ordered—he represented himself as Major Herries, from India—I left the bill and receipt—I did not see the prisoner sign the check, but I went to the banking-house, and got the money.

CHARLES JOHN HERRIES, ESQ . I am a Commissioner of Excise, and a son of the Right Honourable John Charles Herries—I have a brother in the army in India—his name is William Robert—I have no other brother in India—the prisoner is no relation of mine—I am quite sure he is not the son of the Right Honourable John Charles Herries.

THOMAS HOULSTON . I am a bookseller, and live in the Strand. On the 26th of March the prisoner called on me, and requested some paper—he wrote this paper (looking at it) in the shop—he here signs himself "R. HERRIES"—he said he was the son of the Right Hon. John Charles Herries; that he was a major in the army, and had just returned from India; that he had been at his father's house in Albemarle-street, and had forgotten something of importance there.

Prisoner's Defence. I was in liquor; I do not remember anything about it. THOMAS HOME WILLIAMS re-examined. I believe it was so—when I went to the banker's, I told Mr. Walker that he was either a little touched in his head, or else he was in liquor, which they attributed to his long journey—he said he had arrived on the 25th.

GUILTY . Aged 28.— Transported for Ten Years.

(Joseph Shackell, a police-inspector, stated that there were about thirty other cases against the prisoner.)

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-919
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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919. ANN FURMER was indicted for stealing 16 yards of silk, value 1l. 10s.; 1 shawl, 1l.; 12 handkerchiefs, 12s.; 1 pair of stockings, 1s.; 29 towels, 1l. 9s.; 4 table-cloths, 1l.; 3 sheets, 1l.; 8 pillow-cases, 8s.; 7 napkins, 7s.; 4 cloths, 4s.; 3 yards of brown holland, 2s.; 6 yards of muslin, 3s.; 2 pairs of gloves, 4s.; 2 brooches, 2l.; 1 piece of worsted work, 5s.; 2 chess-men, 2s.; and 2 pieces of ivory, 2s.; the goods of John Finch, her master.

MESSRS. BALLANTINE and WILDE conducted the Prosecution. ANDREW WYNESS (police-constable D 43.) On the 19th of March I went to No. 16, Exeter-place, Chelsea, where Mrs. Rice and Mrs. Chapman live—I there found, in a box and bundle, all the articles stated in the indictment—they have been identified by the prosecutor.

Cross-examined by MR. MELLOR. Q. When you told the prisoner the purpose for which you apprehended her, did she not state she was innocent? A. Not at once; but after I had read the warrant to her, she said she was innocent before God.

THE HON. JOHN FINCH . I live at Berkhamstead; the prisoner was in my service, and left on the 3rd of Feb. I then lived in Hyde Park Gardens—after she left me I removed to Berkhamstead, and then a gown and several other things were missed—I had not missed most of the things which are here, but they were found in the box, and I know they are mine—the table-cloths and other things were in common use—I went with the officer, and found them in the box and the bundle.

Cross-examined. Q. I believe you had a very good character with the prisoner? A. Yes—the great mass of these articles are table-cloths and other household things—some of them are female apparel—the prisoner was my wife's lady's-maid—if she had given anything to her maid she would have communicated it to me, if it had been table-linen, not if articles of dress—I do not know that she might not have given an old towel or so, but not new things—Mrs. Finch is not well, and is not here—she did not appear before the Magistrate; her health would not allow it—I did not mark this linen myself, but there is the mark on it—here is the mark on this table-cloth—Mrs. Finch does not keep her bed—she has been out every day.

COURT. Q. Is this linen marked as yours always is? A. Yes, and I know it to be mine—this table-cloth is new, and these towels are new—this shawl is one I gave my wife—it was missed long before the prisoner left, and this piece of silk was also missed before she left—I am certain Mrs. Finch would not give her this shawl.

HENRY COX . I am a cab-driver. On the 13th of March I had my cab called to a fishmonger's-shop in Paddington-street—I took up the prisoner there, with a bundle and two baskets—she then directed me to call at the dairy, at the corner of North-street and Paradise-street, for a box—I went there, and rang the bell—she got out of the cab, went up stain, and brought a box down to the door—I took it and put it on the box of the cab—this is the box—she directed me to go to Cadogan-place, Sloane-street, and to stop at the corner—I did so—she got out, and went a few doors down, I think to No. 10; then came back, and directed me to No. 16, Exeter-place, Chelsea—I left the bundle, the baskets, and the box there—I went to the house again, with the officer, on the 19th, and he brought the same things out.

MARY CHAPMAN . I live at No. 16, Exeter-place; Mrs. Rice alto lives 'there. On the 13th of March the prisoner brought a box, a bundle, and two baskets—I took the baskets down into the kitchen, where Mrs. Rice lives—the prisoner helped me down with the box—she said she brought them for Eliza Huxley—they were to be left there till Huxley got a situation—I gave the same things to the officer.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 24.— Confined Eighteen Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-920
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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920. GEORGE WILLIAM RICHARDSON was indicted for embezzlement.

MR. BALLANTINE conducted the Prosecution.

PETER LUDGATE . I am in partnership with Charles Birt; we live in Carthusian-street. The prisoner came into our employ in Oct., 1843—he was our collecting clerk for some time, and then an ordinary clerk—he remained as such about four months; we then again sent him collecting—he went out on the 12th of March, and did not return—I went to his father's the same night, and could not hear of him—it was his duty to have returned that night, and rendered an account of the monies that he had collected that day—he was taken on the Thursday—he never accounted to me for any money received from Wilkinson, Wisden, or Ward.

Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. Had you not possession of all his books? A. No—he did not render me his books—I saw his collecting book in the hands of the Magistrate, and it is here—it was his duty to return this book in the evening, with the sums entered in it that he had collected, and pay it to me or to the clerk—these three sums are entered, and were read before the Magistrate—he wished me to point them out, and I did so—there was one instance in which his account went over the night, and was accounted for two or three days afterwards—my partner is not here, nor my clerk—the prisoner's salary was 18l. the first year, and 25l. the next—the whole of his salary has not been paid, and there was a very good reason for it—I think there is about 6s. due—he has not asked me for it—I am the only person to pay him.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Have you discovered the whole amount of his defalcation? A. We have not—we have discovered 21l. 18s. 5d. without

that day's collecting—I do not know whether the entry was made in this book an hour before he was before the Magistrate or not.

MARY ANN WILKINSON . I am the wife of Rowland Wilkinson—he is a customer of the prosecutor's—I paid the prisoner 10s. on their account on the 12th of March.

PHOEBE WARD . I paid the prisoner 1s. on the 12th of March, on account of Ludgate and Birt.

MARY WISDEN . I paid the prisoner 1s. 6d. on the 12th of March, on account of Ludgate and Birt.

JOB UNDERWOOD (police-constable S 67.) I took the prisoner, and found this book on him.

(The prisoner received a good character).

GUILTY. Aged 20.—Recommended to mercy. Confined Three Months.

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Reference Numbert18450407-921
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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921. THOMAS MOBBS was indicted for stealing 1 tarpauling, value 4l., the goods of William Moyse and another.

WILLIAM JORDAN . I am a carman, and live in Sweet Apple-court, Bishopsgate-street. On the evening of the 23rd of March, at half-past five o'clock, I left my wagon in Bishopsgate-street, with the tarpauling on the front of it—it was the property of William Moyse and another—I missed it, and found the prisoner going up Artillery-lane with it on his back—this is it—I am certain he is the man.

WILLIAM SCOTT . I am an ostler, and live in Artillery-lane—I saw Jordan stop the prisoner with the tarpauling on his shoulder—I have not the least doubt of him—I knew him by sight—he chucked it down and ran away—I have lived and worked in Bishopsgate-street for twenty years, and have seen the prisoner about there many times.

GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined Three Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-922
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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922. GEORGE WIDGETT was indicted for stealing 30 printed books, value 4l.; and 1 box, 5s., the goods of Henry Clarence White; and that he had been before convicted of felony.

HENRY CLARENCE WHITE . I am a tea-broker, and live in Eastcheap. On the 24th of March, about four o'clock in the afternoon, I was going into my office—I met the prisoner and another boy coming out of my counting-house with a box—I took the prisoner and the box—the other boy got away—the box contained these books, which are worth about 4l.—the prisoner said it was given him by a young woman to take to Mr. Bannister's—he had a butcher's apron on—there is a young woman in the house, but she was not there.

Prisoner. A. young man had this box in his possession inside the passage, he asked me to help him with it on his shoulder; it was the other young man said a young woman gave it him.

Witness. I really cannot swear which it was—this box was in a room which we occupy very seldom—it is more than one person could bring down by himself.

GEORGE FOSTER (City police'Constable, No. 425.) I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction, which I got at Mr. Clark's office, (read—Convicted the 4th of March, 1844, and confined twelve months) he had also been tried before that.

GUILTY .— Transported for Seven Years.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-923
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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923. JOHN LEVY was indicted for stealing 1 coat, value 2l.; 1 waist-coat, 6s.; and 1 pair of trowsers, 30s.; the goods of William Henry Bowden, his master.

WILLIAM HENRY BOWDEN . I am a tailor, and live in King-street, Holborn—the prisoner was my apprentice. On the 6th of March, about twelve o'clock, I sent him with a coat, waistcoat, and pair of trowsers, to Mr. Beavan, in Lamb's Conduit-street, three doors round the corner—he was not to have brought the money for them, but he ought to have come back, and he did not—I found him afterwards in the Strand—these are the articles.

JAMES MOODY . I bought this coat of the prisoner for a guinea, on the 6th of March.

EDWIN HOULGATE . I am a pawnbroker. I took in this waistcoat and trowsers of the prisoner on the 6th of March.

GUILTY. Aged 17.—Recommended by the Prosecutor, who engaged to take him again. Confined Six Days.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-924
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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924. ELLEN SENTRY was indicted for stealing 2 gowns, value 10s.; 1 shirt, 2s. 6d.; 1 frock, 1s. 6d.; and 1 1/2 yard of moreen, 1s.; the goods of Isabella Fleming.

RICHARD HENRY CLOUD . I am assistant to Isabella Fleming, a pawnbroker, in Farringdon-street. The prisoner came on the 15th of March to pledge a shawl; whilst I was writing the duplicate, she looked at some goods—I did not miss anything—I gave her the duplicate, and she left—I afterwards received information, and I missed two gowns, and the other articles stated—they were Isabella Fleming's—I had seen them safe at three o'clock, and saw them again at five, at the station.

JOHN SNBLL . I live in Harp-alley. About three or four o'clock that afternoon, the prisoner came and asked-me to let her go into the yard—I refused—she then asked me to cut her a quartern of cheese—she dropped these articles, and was pushing them under the counter with her foot where I found them—my house is about five minutes' walk from the prose-cutrix's.

HENRY MILLS (City police-constable, No. 352.) I was watching the prisoner in Farringdon-street—she taw me watch her before she went to Mr. Snell's.

Prisoner. I was in great distress; the shawl was my own; the other things I know nothing about.

GUILTY . Aged 24.— Confined Four Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-925
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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925. CHARLOTTE SINGLETON was indicted for stealing 8 yards of ribbon, value 4s.; 3 capes, 1l.; 2 collars, 2s. 6d.; 1 night-gown, 6d.; 17 yard of lace, 8s.; 6 yards of muslin, 4s.; and 1 yard of net, 1s.; the goods of John Dobson, her master.

ANN DOBSON . I am the wife of John Dobson, of Charlotte-street, Portland-place. The prisoner had lived with me as a daily worker—I had missed some property before she left—I got a warrant, and went to her father, in Henry-street—I found a box there which her father pointed oat as hers—she was present, and did not deny it—her father opened it, and in it I found all these things, which are my husband's—her father and mother had no opportunity of coming to our house and taking the things.

JAMES HANDLEY (police-constable S 121.) I took the prisoner—these

articles were there—the father said they were found in the prisoner's box—the prisoner made no answer.

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Three Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-926
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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926. WILLIAM BARNES was indicted for embezzlement.

GEORGE FOREMAN . I am foreman to Benjamin Worthy Home, and Henry Home, coach proprietors. On Tuesday, the 18th of March, I sent a horse by the prisoner to Mr. Gidding's, in Green-street, to be sold—he was to have brought back "2l.—if he received that sum he did not pay it to me—he ought to have come back the same day, but he did not come till the Friday—I asked him if he had got the money—he said no, he had spent it.

ELIZABETH GIDDINOS . I am the wife of James George Giddings. On the 18th of March the prisoner brought a horse—I gave him two sovereigns for it, for Messrs. Horne—he said he had brought it from the George and Blue Boar, and wanted the money—I gave it him.

Prisoner. I did not ask for the money.

GUILTY. Aged 26.—Recommended to mercy. Confined Two Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-927
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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927. RICHARD FOX was indicted for stealing 6 handkerchiefs, value 4s., the goods of Henry Gladstone; and that he had been before convicted of felony.

HENRY GLADSTONE . I keep a hosier's shop, in Newgate-street. On the 4th of Feb. I observed my shop-window broken—it bad been done by what they call starring the glaze—I missed a large number of shawls, handkerchiefs, and other things, from near where the window was broken—the handkerchiefs which are here are a part of what I lost about ten minutes before, or after nine that evening—they had been near the broken window—they have all got my writing on them—these gloves have not got my mark on them, but I have some similar to them, and I lost some of them.

THOMAS WALKER (police-constable N 88.) On the 12th of March I was on duty at Islington-gate—the prisoner's wife came to me, and wanted to give him in charge for an assault—I refused to take the charge, as site had not got the warrant—the prisoner then got into a cab to go away, and there was a disturbance, as he would not pay the toll at the gate—I went up and saw that he had got two valuable handkerchiefs round his neck—I said I should take him on suspicion of having stolen property—he went a short distance, and then threw off his hat—I took it up, and there were two more handkerchiefs in it—he threw it down again, and I took it up—he threw himself down—I took him to the station, and found three more handkerchiefs upon him—he was remanded, and the boy who was locked up in the cell with him, gave me information—I made inquiry.

Prisoner. Q. Did my landlady see this property about me? A. No, your wife said at the station that you stole it.

ELLEN WHITE . My father gave me in charge for stealing a coat, but I was discharged—when I was in the station the prisoner was there—he asked what I was in for—I told him—he said he was in for two dozen handkerchiefs, that he got them out of the City, and asked me what he could make up to say where he got them—another one who was there said, "Say you found them"—the prisoner asked me to go to a coffeeshop in Little Clarendon-street, to tell his wife that he was locked up—he said he

would split her head open, when he caught hold of her—he said be wished his case was mine, for he should get seven or fourteen years.

Prisoner, Q. Was I sober? A. Yes—he said he had made away with some of them, and that he had been in Newgate three times—there were four persons in the cell besides us.

Prisoner. I have been told you are a regular pickpocket, known at Clerkenwell. Witness, No, never—the Magistrate told me, if I went there again, I should be transported.

WALTER TYLER (City police-constable, No. 373.) I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction, which I got from the Surrey Sessions—(read—Convicted 8th July, 1844, and confined three months)—the prisoner is the man—he has been twice tried here, and twice at Horsemonger-lane—this is the fifth trial he has had.

GUILTY . Aged 45.— Transported for Ten Years.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-928
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty

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928. ELIZA JANE DAY was indicted for stealing 1 waistcoat, value 5s. 6d.; 1 pair of gloves, 3s., and 5 other gloves, 1s.; the goods of Samuel Saunders; and GEORGE PHILLIPS DAY , for feloniously receiving the same; well knowing them to have been stolen, against the Statute, &c.; to which they both pleaded

GUILTY .— Confined Three Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-929
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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929. JAMES MULLINGER, CHARLES WHITE , and RICHARD ANDERSON , were indicted for stealing 200lbs. weight of hemp, vatae 2l. 16s., the goods of Richard Whipple Briant, the master of Mullinger.

MR. BALLANTINB conducted the Prosecution.

ROBERT GROVES . I am a labouring man, and live in Penny-fields, Poplar. On the 12th of March I was at the Bridge-road leading to Mill-wall, near the West India Dock, and saw a wagon coming from Garford-street—Anderson was driving it—it was loaded with hemp—Mullinger was on the top of the load—when it came to the Bridge-road the horses were stopped, and I saw a caravan with two horses driven up by the prisoner White—when White came up, he and Mullinger had a little conversation, and then he delivered part of the load of hemp to White, in thp caravan—they then drove away—Anderson drove the wagon, and White the caravan—I followed the caravan to the Poplar toll-bar, where I saw White pay the toll—I went to the toll-man, and found to whom the caravan belonged—I then went to the premises of Curling and Co.—I knew the wagon was employed for them—I met the officer—we went to Curling's premises, and took the prisoner Mullinger.

Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. How soon was Mullinger taken? A. In about three quarters of an hour—I knew they were going to Curling and Co.—the wagon had the name of Briant on it—there were from fifteen to twenty bundles of hemp taken, as near as I could judge—I have been employed by the trustees of the parish of All Saints, Poplar, to repair the road fifteen years—I never had a charge against me.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. How long have you lived in Penny-fields? A. Forty years—I was at work on the road, and was close to the fore-horse of the wagon when I saw this—there was another person at work about forty yards from me to the left—he was behind the

wagon, and I was before it—he could see as well as I could—I spoke to him—he is not here, nor is the toll-man here.

Cross-examined by MR. MELLOR. Q. Will you undertake to swear that you saw a whip in Anderson's hand? A. Yes, a long whip—I did not notice whether it was mounted—he stood against the middle horse—I did not see him converse with anybody.

GEORGE TOWLER . I superintend the business of Curling and Co.—Mr. Briant's wagons were employed to carry sixty-seven tons of hemp from Burr-street to our premises—I sent a man to see the hemp weighed and put into the wagon—it was weighed wben it was delivered to me—we received it on the 12th of March.

Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. What Was the size of the bundles? A. About 14lbs. weight—they are termed layers of hemp.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Is it not weighed when it is put in the wagon at Burr-street? A. Yes, and is not weighed again.

RICHARD WHIPPLE BRIANT . I am a master carman, and lire in Prince's-square—Mullinger was in my employ on the 12th of March, he was to carry some hemp to Messrs. Curling's, at Mill-wall—Anderson was not in my employ on the 12th of March, and had no business with the wagon—it was Mullinger's duty to deliver the hemp he received in Burr-street to Curling and Co.

Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. Did they arrange at your place for the carriage of this hemp? A. They did, the day before I sent Mullinger for it—he had been with me six or seven years—I always considered him honest.

JOHN TIMPSON (police-sergeant K 25.) I apprehended Mullinger at Messrs. Curling's—he said he knew nothing about it—I then took White—he said he knew nothing about it.

JOSIAH CHAPLIN (police-constable H 124.) I apprehended Anderson—he said he knew nothing about it.


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Reference Numbert18450407-930
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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930. WILLIAM CUMMINS was indicted for stealing 1 yard of velvet, value 9s.; 1 scarf, 10s.; 9 handkerchiefs, 4s.; and 17 pairs of socks, 1l.; the goods of William Smith, his master.

MR. HILL conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM SMITH . I am a linen-draper, and live at Pimlico. The prisoner was my shopman seven or eight months—he left me in Nov. last—Mr. Mills came to me and showed me a piece of velvet—I considered it mine—he brought one yard, and I have another piece here which matches with it—this piece is six yards and a half, and it is marked seven yards and a half—I find this yard matches it exactly—this piece was for sale—I can speak to this yard as being mine—it is the same quality as this larger piece, and it is the same shade of colour.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. How many men have you in your employ? A. Between twenty and thirty—most of them are salesmen—when Mr. Mills came to me I locked this piece up separate from my stock—this is now six yards and a half—the pieces are of various lengths, frequently thirty yards—the young men in my employ can purchase goods of me, of my son, or of one other person, who is the shop-walker—we

let them have things cheaper—it is very difficult to get velvet of the same shade of colour—it is next to impossible to get one precisely the. same shade as this, but there are other things I know it by—the selvage is one thing.

MR. HILL. Q. What is there about the selvage particular? A. In all my experience I hardly ever saw two selvages alike, and this yard has precisely the same selvage as the piece has—I have been in the trade, about forty-five years, and I never recollect two selvages being alike—here is an imperfection in the machine that this is made with, which causes a defect, which comes every twenty-one inches, and here, is the same imperfection in these two velvets.

THOMAS MILLS . I am partner with Mr. Hill in St. Martin's-ltne. The prisoner was in our employ in Feb. last—in consequence of something that occurred, the young men in our employ suggested that their boxes should be searched—I was not present when this, piece of velvet was found in the prisoner's box, but the prisoner showed it me the following morning—I asked brra if he got it at Mr. Smith's, and he decidedly said not—I took it to Mr. Smith, and saw him find the large pitce of velvet to correspond.

Cross-examined. Q. It if common velvet, is it not? A. It Is velvet that I am not familiar with—it is very good of the kind—we do not deal in the article—Mr. Hill was in the room when I asked the prisoner where he got it—he said he waf not bound to tell us where he got it, neither would he.

MR. HILL. Q. Are you quite clear that the prisoner laid he had not this article from Mr. Smith's? A. Yes.

SIMON BLENKHORN . I am shopman, to Mr. Mills. I remember the prisoner's box being searched on the 28th of Feb.—this piece of vfclyet was found in it—there were some scarfs and handkerchiefs found in the box, but I took no notice of them.

WILLIAM POCOCK (police-constable F 81.) I took the prisoner on the 1st of March at Mr. Mills's shop—I searched his boxes—I got the keys from him—I found in them a number of handkerchiefs, which I have here, this scarf, and seventeen pairs of socks.

WILLIAM SMITH re-examined. This seaif has our own private murk, which was put on it when it first came into our stock—I never sold it to the prisoner, nor this velvet—these handkerchiefs are similar to what we have, and appear to be part of our stock—I never sold these to the, prisoner—no one had a right to sell to him but myself, my son, and the shopwalker.

WILLIAM SMITH, JON . I never sold this velvet to the prisoner—I never sold him any scarfs or handkerchiefs.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you mean you never told him any htodkerchiefs during the whole time he has been with you? A. Yes, if I had sold these handkerchiefs to him I should have entered them—I have looked in the book to see—if I bad not looked I should not have known anything about them—I have not the book here—it is not our custom, when four or five articles are sold, to enter them as goods—certainly not to the young men—there are entries of goods.

MR. HILL. Q. Is it ever the practice, when you enter goods to the young men, to enter them as goods? A. No.

JOHN BEALE . I am in the service of Mr. Smith. He and his son and

I, are the only persons who sell goods to the young men—I did not sell the prisoner any of these articles.

Cross-examined. Q. I suppose you learned that fact by looking at the book? A. No, I have not looked at the book—I have heard the contents of the book from our clerk—I am positive of the fact of not having sold them, because J should have recollected it—I will pledge myself to the fact solely from my recollection—we have generally about twenty young men—it is but rarely that I sell them anything—only in the absence of Mr. Smith and his son.

MR. BALLANTINE to MR. SMITH. Q. Look at the receipt to this bill, do you know anything of this? A. This is such a bill as we make out for goods purchased and paid for in our shop—the cashier gives these bills when he receives the cash—a young man, or any other person would have one, supposing they purchased goods—I do not know the writing of this bill—the stamp on it shows that it comes from our cashier—it would not have been passed out of the hands of the cashier unless it had been paid—this other bill is for one yard and one-eighth of velvet, at 14s.—there is no date to the bill—these invoices are often taken from the file, and can get into any person's hands—the cashier has had the cash for this, or it would not have this stamp upon it; but this is not the price of the velvet produced—I do not know what velvet this bill applies to, but it is to one we had in stock when this invoice was made out—I never heard of any changing and chopping going on with my young men—I cannot say that this piece of velvet has never been sold to any young man.

Q. Now look at this other invoice, does not this relate to socks and handkerchiefs to the amount of 1l. 14s. 3d.? A. Yes, but these handkerchiefs are not the price of any of those now produced, and those in the invoice are charged dearer than the prisoner would have paid if he had bought them—there is another thing which will be fatal to this; these goods were not sold to the prisoner, nor to any of our young men, by a person who is allowed to sell to the young men—here is the number of the person who they were served by and examined by—it is quite clear that the money has been paid for these invoices, and they have been delivered to the purchasers, whoever they might be—I cannot account for their coming into the prisoner's possession—these things may have all been purchased since this affair, and these goods have all been purchased of persons not allowed to sell to any of the young men—if any person comes in and is served by any of our young men, he would make a bill, which would be shown to the next person, and that bill, with the cash, would be taken to the cashier, who stamps it; then the person who sells the goods, and the person who examines it, put their numbers on it—the price of the velvet is different in this invoice to what it would have been charged to the prisoner—the bill is for one yard and one-eighth of velvet, at 14s. a yard, and if it had been sold to a customer it would be 14s. 6d.; and this piece is but just one yard—I cannot say that this piece has not been sold since the prisoner left me—any person in my shop might sell this piece of velvet—the price is 14s. 6d. a yard—the price is marked on it—no customer could have bought it for 14s., or for 14s. 5 1/2d.

COURT. Q. Must the prisoner have known that the other young men were not allowed to sell to him? A. Oh, yes, everv one knew it.

Prisoner's Defence. This velvet was bought by a friend of mine; tne selling price is 14s. 6d., but in many instances, if a customer wants a piece

of goods, an abatement is made, and that has be"n the case with this velvet; I know Mr. Smith is not aware of it, bat many yoong men, rather than let a customer go out of the shop, would sell an article a little less than it is marked; a friend of mine, named Forrester, bought it; if I had bought it myself I should have had it at a reduced price; I had left the employ at the time; this receipt and the goods were handed to me by Forrester.

WILLIAM POCOCK re-examined. The prisoner had none of these invoices on him on the 1st of March—I found one scrap of paper on him, which I have had ever since.

GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Nine Months.

(There was another indictment against the prisoner.)

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-931
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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931. JAMES TIMMS was indicted for stealing 4 candles, value 3d., the goods of Octavius Henry Smith and another, his masters; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 30.— Confined Ten Days.

NEW COURT.—Monday, April 14th 1845.

Fifth Jury, before Mr. Recorder

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-932
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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932. THOMAS PARISH was indicted for stealing 1 penny, and 10 half-pence, the monies of Richard Coles, his master; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Fourteen Days.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-933
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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933. JOHN TARRY was indicted for stealing 2 sixpences, and 1 groat, the monies of Henry Champion Beauchamp; to which he pleaded

GUILTY.—Recommended to mercy. Confined Three Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-934
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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934. FREDERICK PARRETT was indicted for stealing 1 brush, value 2s., the goods of Ehrhardt Weitzel; and that he had been before convicted of felony; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Six Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-935
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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935. HENRY JENKINS was indicted for stealing 7 pewter pots, value 7s.; and 1 ale-glass, 1s.; the goods of Edward Hendy; and that he had been before convicted of felony; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 40.— Transported for Seven Years.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-936
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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936. JOSEPH BROWN HUGHES was indicted for stealing 1 pair of boots, value 10s.; and 2 other boots, 10s.; the goods of George Troggatt, his master; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Six Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-937
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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937. THOMAS MILLER was indicted for stealing 1 pencil-case, value 6d.; and 3 half-sovereigns; the property of Alfred Hubble, in a vessel in a port of entry and discharge; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 16.— Confined One Year.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-938
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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938. HENRICH SIEBRICHT was indicted for stealing 1 carpet bag, value 2s. 6d.; 9 collars, 5s.; 4 pairs of trowsers, 1l. 10s.; 1 cap, 1s.; 2 breast-pins, 8s.; 9 shirts, 1l. 7s.; 4 pairs of drawers, 4s.; 3 handkerchiefs, 11s.; 2 jackets, 5s.; and 2 coats, 2l. 10s.; the goods of Phineas Weinberg; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Four Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-939
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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939. CHARLES SULLIVAN and GEORGE BRANCHER were indicted for stealing 1 handkerchief, value 2s., of a man unknown, from his person; and that Brancher had been before convicted of felony.

ISAAC NEWTON . I live in Wellington-road, Bethnal-green—I am a tobacconist, and also a constable of the Tower Hamlets. On Thursday afternoon, the 20th of March, about a quarter before two o'clock, I was on London-bridge, and saw the prisoners following a gentleman quite close, and trying his pockets—I turned round, and immediately heard two ladi exclaim, "They have got it half out"—I turned, and saw Sullivan take a handkerchief out of the gentleman's pocket, and hand it to Brancher—they ran in front of the gentleman, and got into the road, and ran round an omnibus—I was about stopping the gentleman, when the prisoners came in front of me again—I pursued—I took hold of Sullivan, and delivered Brancher to a City officer—I do not know who the gentleman was.

JAMES STAGG . I live in Artillery-street, Hdrsleydown. I saw the prisoners on London-bridge on the 20th of March—I saw Sullivan take a handkerchief out of the gentleman's pocket—I did not see what he did with it—I am sure I saw him take it.

Sullivan. Q. Where did you see me first? A. On London-bridge, about the middle—it was about a quarter before two o'clock—you were in Adelaide-place, coming towards the bridge again, when you were given in charge, and putting your hand into another gentleman's pocket.

CHRISTOPHKR MCCARTHY . I live with my father and mother in Brunswick-court. I was on London-bridge, and saw Sullivan take the handkerchief half out of the gentleman's pocket—this is it.

ROBERT KITSON (City police-constable 531.) I took the prisoners—I found these two handkerchiefs on Brancher.

ISAAC NEWTON re-examined. I noticed the handkerchief which wai taken from the gentleman's pocket—Sullivan said it was not this handkerchief that he took from the gentleman's pocket, it was the other one; but I am positive it was this.

Sullivan's Defence. I was walking home towards the Borough by the side of this lad, when the constable shoved us into the Adelaide Hotel, he took an old handkerchief out of my pocket, and said, "This is what you have been picking a gentleman's pocket of;" and these two lads said I had very nearly picked a gentleman's pocket; and when they got to the Mansion-house they said I did do it.

WILLIAM MORTON (police-constable P 289.) I produce a certificate of Brancher's former conviction, which I got from the Clerk of the peace of Surrey—I was present at the trial—(read—Convicted 21st July 1844.—Confined Three Months and Whipped)—he is the man.



Confined Stx Months.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-940
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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940. MARGARET DOOLAN was indicted for feloniously and maliciously taking away John Swan, aged eleven weeks, with intent to deprive his parents, James Swan, and Caroline, his wife, of the possession of the said child—2nd COUNT: with intent to steal 1 shirt, value 4d.; 2 rollers, 3d.; the property of James Swan; and 1 bed-gown, 5d.; the property of Jane Deane, on and about the person of the said child.

CAROLINE SWAN . I am the wife of James Swan. We lodge in Play-house-yard, in the parish of St. Luke—my husband is a brush-maker—on the 15th of Feb, I went to the Spotted Dog, in Tottenham-court-road—I had my child with me, which is now in my arms—his name is John Swan—I sat down in front of the bar—in a few minutes the prisoner cane in and sat down by the side of me—I had then drank about half of my ale—the prisoner said, "You have a baby"—I said, "Yes"—she said, "How old might it be?"—I said, "It will be three months old on Monday week"—she looked at it—I told her it was a boy—she said,'" Pretty little fellow, he don't look so old"—she then said she had a sister who lived at No. 15, London-street, who had got a very hard place, and that she was going to leave that night, that the mistress she lived under was a very severe, cross old lady, and she said would I be so kind as to call and tell her sister she was waiting for her—I told her I did not mind—we then came out of ttte Spotted Dog and walked down to London-street—she then asked me if I would have part of half a quartern of rum—I said I did not mind—we went to the Globe and called for the run, which she paid for—she poured me out a glass which I drank—she refused drinking her part, and said sfee would let it be till I came back—I then said, "I will go to your sister and deliver the message"—she said, "I will hold the baby till you come btck,"—I said, "No, I will take the baby with me, as it is such a little distance," but she put out her bands and took the child out of my arms—I went to the house to which she directed me, and inquired for the name she told me to ask for—when the gentleman came he told me I was wrong, that there was no servant going to leave that night—I came back to die public-house, and the prisoner was gone and my baby—I went directly to the station, and told the inspector—I described the prisoner and the clothes she had on, and also my baby—I saw no more of the prisoner till the 19th of March, when I was crossing from Soho to come into Crown-street, about nine o'clock at night—the prisoner was crossing to meet me—we met face to face—she stood and looked at me—I stood, I could not speak, I was so flurried—she looked at me again and then she ran—I chased her through several streets—she was exhausted with running, and I caught hold of her by her shoulder—she said, "What do you want with me?"—I said, "You are the woman that robbed me of my baby"—she straggled to get from me and said, "You wretch, you are wrong, I have got no baby"—there was a little boy standing by, about twelve years of age—I said, "My good boy, will you look for a policeman?—there were three women standing there—I said, "Women, women, for God's sake help me to hold this woman, she is the woman that robbed me of my baby a few weeks ago"—they never offered to assist me, and the prisoner struggled and got from me—she ran up a court and I saw no more of her that night—I went to the station and gave information that I had seen her—on the 21st of March I went again to the station—an officer went with me up and down the streets, and at last we went to a house in Crown-street, which I think is No. 28—I went up two pair of stairs, knocked at the room door, and asked for the name they had told me to ask for—the prisoner opened the door—she said, "There is no such person lives here; get out," and shut the door in my face—I called up the constable—he went into the room, and I went behind him—the prisoner

said to me, "You wretch, what do you want?"—I said, "My baby; you are the woman that stole it"—she said, "I have got no baby but my own"—the constable asked her if she had got a baby—she said, "Yes, on the bed"—he said, "I must look at it"—he looked at it and said to me, "Mrs. Swan, come and look if this is your baby"—I looked and knew my baby directly—I said, "My God, that is my baby! O you hussey, for robbing me of my baby"—it was this baby which I have now in my arms—the prisoner offered to strike me, but the officer stood before me—she insisted on my leaving the room—I did so, leaving the constable in the room and the baby—I saw the prisoner was such a desperate woman that I thought she would either kill me or my baby if I offered to touch it—the constable called to me and said, "Mrs. Swan, you must go down to the station and fetch another constable," which I did—they then told me to go to the station and they would bring the woman—when I got there the prisoner came and brought my baby with her—the inspector asked her where she had lain in—she told the day of the month that she left her home, and that she had lain in at Mrs. Sullivan's—they made every inquiry and found it was wrong—this was on Good Friday, and on next day my child was given up to me—I only know the child by its features—on the day I found the prisoner out, I found the bed-gown, the little shirt, and two rollers which my child had on when the prisoner took it from me—I can swear to the clothes—these are them—they have been washed since I lost them—this is the gown the prisoner had on at the time she stole the child—this gown was hanging behind the door in her room when she was taken—it was about half-past nine at night, on the 15th Feb., when I lost my child.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. What did you go to the Spotted Dog for? A. To have half a pint of ale—I had been out with my brushes, and was tired—I could not leave my child at home—I had never seen the prisoner before—there is nobody here from the Spotted Dog—when she asked me to go to London-street with the message it did not strike me that she might as well have gone herself, because she told me such a pitiful tale of the woman being such a cross woman, and that she had had tea with her sister in the course of the week, and she had had words with her—the child went to the prisoner directly she held out her hands for it—we found the prisoner in a second pair front room—it was rather a poor place, but she was very comfortable, and what she had was very tidy and clean—she said it was her child, and nobody should take it from her, and she would rather part with her life than her child—we were obliged to get the child handed to the clerk of the Court, and I got it by that stratagem—she persisted to the last that it was her child—when we got the clothes the prisoner was not there—we went back to the room, and got them—I know this bed-gown because my nurse lent it to me, and the bottom of it is lined, which is very seldom the case in a bed-gown, and I know it by the drawing—I do not mean to say there may not be one like it—I never saw one—I only know the child by its features—I do not know it by any particular mark.

JANE DEANE . I am wife of John Deane, in Great Arthur-street, St. Luke's—he is a shoemaker. I know this is Mrs. Swan's child—I nursed her with it—I know this bed-gown, it is my property—each side of the tape of it will draw up like a reticule—I lent it to Mrs. Swan—I bought it ready made, except the tape drawing, which I put in myself—I am confident

it is the gown I lent her—this flannel roller I know is here—I have the fellow roller to it myself—this is it—I had more flannel than I wanted, and I let her have one—this is the one I let her have—I know the child by its features, but by no mark.

Cross-examined. Q. This flannel is of the same quality? A. Yes—it came all off one piece—I cut it off, and gave it to Mrs. Swan—I know it by the quality—I nursed Mrs. Swan's child, and dressed it, and I know the roller—I saw Mrs. Swan make it.

CAROLINE SWAN re-examined, I made this roller myself—it is my work, and this cotton roller also is my work, and these joins in it.

WILLIAM WESTLAKE (police-constable E 102.) I accompanied Mrs. Swan to No. 28, Crown-street, St. Giles's—she pointed out the prisoner to me, and charged her with having taken her child—I told her she must go with me—she said she would not go, the child was her own, and she would rather die than lose her child, she would not give it up for any one—after waiting half an hour I sent Mrs. Swan for another constable, and we got the prisoner to the station—we then went back, and found this bed-gown, shirt, flannel roller, and cotton roller.

JOSEPH HUGHES (police-constable E 114.) I produce this gown and boa, which are said to be part of the dress the prisoner had on—I took them to the station—the prisoner said she had been confined at Mrs. Sullivan's, No. 1, Little Clarendon-street, Somer'stown—I went, and (bund Mrs. Sullivan lived at No. 5, Upper Orenville-street—the door is at the corner of Clarendon-street—she was taken before the Magistrate, and gave evidence, but was not bound over.

MR. PAYNE called

MARGARET BIRDSEYI . I am the wife of John Birdseye—I am the cousin of the prisoner's first husband. I remember seeing the prisoner on the 8th of Feb.—she appeared in the family way, and told me she did not know one minute from another—I attended the christening of a child a fortnight before Easter Sunday at St. Patrick's chapel, Soho-square, in the Catholic religion—I was godmother, and my husband was godfather—I saw the prisoner again about a fortnight after I had seen her in the family way—it was about the Friday before the child was christened—she was then sitting on a stool before the fire, and had a child with her—I cannot tell how old the child was which was christened on that Sunday—the prisoner has no husband—he has been dead three years.

GUILTY on the 1st Count. Transported for Seven Years.

7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-941
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown
SentencesImprisonment; Imprisonment; Imprisonment

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941. MATTHEW HAWES, JOHN SIBLEY, SAMUEL DAWKINS , and WILLIAM BANKS , were indicted for stealing 10 trusset of hay, value 1l. 10s., the goods of William Larman, the younger, the master of Hawes, Sibly, and Dawkins: and RICHARD ANGLE , for feloniously receiving, harbouring, comforting, and maintaining the said prisoners, knowing them to have committed the said felony; to which

BANKS pleaded GUILTY .—(See page 954.)

MR. BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM LARMAN, JUN . I am a hay dealer, and reside at Enfield—Hawes, Sibley, and Dawkins were in my employ. On the 20th of March I sent them to town, with some hay to market—they started about two o'clock, in the morning—each of them had charge of a load of hay containing thirtysix trusses, and Ovenall had charge of a fourth load—they were to go to.

Whitechapel-market—the hay was consigned to Mr. Sweeting, a hay salesman, there—four of the loads were meadow hay—I thought it right to go to Whitechapel-market myself, and I got there a little before nine o'clock in the morning—I saw Mr. Sweeting there, and I learned that the lour loads of meadow hay had been sold to Mr. Dixon, of Barbican—I got this note (looking at it) from my salesman, Mr. Sweeting—(read)—"Four loads of meadow hay—Mr. Dixon, of Barbican. March 20"—I saw Mr. Dixon there—this note indicated that four loads had been sold to Mr. Dixon, and I gave it to Sibley, who drove one of the carts—I gave him directions to take the four loads of meadow hay to Mr. Dixon's—I saw his cart and the other carts driven by Hawes, Dawkins, and Ovenall, containing tht other three loads included in this sale note, all start together from the market about nine o'clock—in consequence of something that was told me I went about an hour afterwards to a corn-chandler's shop in Brick-lane, kept by the prisoner Banks—I found one of my carts at Banks's door, which had cinquefoil on it, not one of the four which had the meadow hay—it was one which I had sent to town that morning—Banks was standing by the side of Morrell, one of my men, who was the driver of that cart—Banks said something to me—I went into bis shop—I found there ten trusses of meadow hay, but there were only six of them that I could swear, to as mine—the other four had been pulled about or altered in their appearance—I am sure that the six trusses which I spoke to positively were the same as were on my carts driven by Hawes, Sibly, and Dawkins—this is the return ticket which I received from Mr. Dixon that evening by Sibley, to whom I gave the delivery ticket in the morning—(read—"City Repository, Barbican, March 20. Received of Mr. Sweeting four loads of hay for R. Dixon. A. S.")

ROBERTSON SWEETING . I am a hay salesman in Whitechapel-market. On the 20th of March, I sold to Mr. Dixon, of Barbican, four loads of hay for Mr. Larman—this is the delivery ticket I prepared—it is my writing—I saw the four carts leave the market as if to go to Mr. Dixon's—it was 2s. 11d. a truss—five guineas a load.

HENRY OVENALL . I am about thirteen years old. I was in the employ of Mr. Larman for about a month before the 20th of March—on that morning I went up to Whitechapel market in charge of a load of meadow hay—I remember Mr. Dixon coming there, and dealing with Mr. Sweeting—after that the four loads of meadow hay drove off to go to Mr. Dixon's—I drove one of them, and Hawes, Sibley, and Dawkins drove the other three—Hawes drove the first cart when we left Whitechapel market—he went up to Mr. Banks in Brick-lane—the other three carts followed him—we all four stopped near Banks's—Hawes stopped at Banks's door—he took three trusses of hay off his cart, and took them into Banks's shop—Hawes then drove his cart a little way on—Sibley's cart was second, and he took three trusses of hay off and carried them in—my cart was the third, and two trusses were taken out of my cart—Dawkins then came up, and two trusses were taken off his cart—Hawes and Sibley took the trusses out of the two first carts, and then I and Dawkins took the trusses out of the last two carts—I then went into Banks's shop—he give me 4s., and Dawkins 4s.—we went from there to Mr. Dixon's in Barbican—Hawes and Sibley drove up first, and then the other two carts drove up when they were unloaded—while the first two carts were unloading, the other two were out in the street—I saw the prisoner Angle about the yard at Mr. Dixon's, while the unloading took place—Angle lived at that time at Tottenham, which is between Mr. Larman's place at Enfield and Whitechapel

market—he came up that morning in Sibley's cart—after we had unloaded at Mr. Dixon's, we went to the Wagon and Horses public-house—we took one truss of hay away—while we were at the public-honse, Dawkins asked me for 1s., which I gave him—he told me he gave it to Angle—it was one of the shillings I had received from Banks.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. I suppose thg other 3s. you kept yourself? A. Yes—I knew what I was doing—I have very often been at Tottenham—I saw Angle come up from there that morning on Sibley's cart—I swear that positively—I was walking—I spoke to him that morning.

Hawes. Q. It is very false what he has been saying. Did you see me take the hay off the cart? A. Yes.

COURT. Q. How long did you see Angle on Sibry's cart? A. He got on when we got up Stamford-hill, and he rode till we got on the stones.

Dawkins. Q. Did you see me take any' money? A. Yes—Banks gave it you—I did not see you'give any monty to Angle, but you told me so.

RICHARD DIXON . I am the proprietor of the Repository, in Barbican. On the morning of the 20th of March, I purchased four loads of meadow hay in Whitechapel market—it was to come home to Barbican—Angle was in my employ at that time—it was his duty to take the whole of the corn, hay, and straw into the granary, to count it, to measure it, and take the tickets into the counting-house—he was to count and weigh the hay—he was paid for doing so—it was his duty with respect to this hay, to see that he had thirty-six trusses in each load, and that each of those trusses was the proper weight—I have a clerk named Seers—this ticket (looking at it) it a form we keep printed to acknowledge the receipt of articles of this kind—this A. S. on it are Seers' initials—he would issue this on the representation of Angle that Ue quantity of hay received was right, not without.

Cross-examined. Q. When was Angle taken? A. I believe on the 20th, he was taken to Worship-street, and I believe discharged—I was not there—he came back to my yard, but he was not employed—he did not absent himself—I think we had ten or a dozen carts came to the yard that morning—it was Angle's duty to attend to the whole of them, to assist in loading as well as in unloading—he had plenty to do that morning—I know servants sometimes do their work carelessly—he bad plenty of assistance—only one cart can unload at a time—he has persons to assist and take the hay away—he stands at the door to receive it—I cannot say which of the servants of the yard were there that morning—the carman delivers the hay into the loft, and it was Angle's place to receive it, and hand it to the other men who carry it from him—there may be half a dozen loads in the loft, but only one goes in at a time—there are other lofts in which corn is placed—it was Angle's duty to attend corn if it came in, but none came in that morning that I know of—only hay and straw—I ordered him to load a Finchley cart that morning, and send it out of the yard before the hay carts came in, that there might be no confusion in the yard—I was there when I ordered him to load the Finchley cart, with corn and chaff and bran and so on.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Was it his duty to see each truss weighed? A. No, not each truss—we weigh a few trusses in each load—we have a steel-yard, which is an article you can carry about—it is in the possession of the foreman

of the granary—it is put near the loft door, and if he thinks it right to test the accuracy of any truss, it is his duty to do so.

WILLIAM MEADING . I was employed as a bricklayer at Mr. Dixon's on the 20th of March—when the meadow-hay came in that morning I assisted in carrying it to the loft—Angle was in the yard at the time—I assisted in unloading the two first carts of hay—each of them contained thirty-three trusses—I took thirty-two trusses out of each of them, and there was one truss left in each of the carts, and taken away—when I was counting the trusses, Sibley told me there were six short—I afterwards spoke to Angle, and told him there were eight trusses short—that is, that I had only taken thirty-two instead of thirty-six from each load—he said, "Very well, it is all right"—when the carmen went out Angle followed them—they went into the Black Horse together, and I went in after them—they had got a pot of beer, and asked me to drink—I saw Sibley give Angle 2s., and the other man, whom I do not know, but he was one of the carters who had come into the yard, he gave Angle 2s. also—Angle said to me that morning, "You will see my nest which I rode up in this morning"—in the evening Angle told me he had got 8s. 6d., and gave me 5s. between me and Garratt, a man who had helped me to take the hay in—I gave Garratt 2s.—I had not got 6d.—I was going to give it him afterwards, but was told not.

COURT. Q. Did Angle give you that for your share of the plunder, for letting them impose upon your master with a less quantity than he had got? A. Yes.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you not see Angle loading a Finchley cart at the time these loads of hay were being carried up in the loft? A. No, he had done the Finchley cart before we began with the hay, because he came up in the loft along with Garrett before we began—Garrett went to help him, and they came up—I cannot say whether Morrell drove one cart—I received out of each cart thirty-two trusses of meadow-bay—the men stowed them away in the loft, and there was one truss left in each cart, and driven away—Sibly heard me counting the trusses, and told me there were six short—the Finchley cart was in the yard, but Angle had dooe loading it—I have told the truth, and nothing else—I thought I was likely enough to be charged—this is my writing to this deposition—I believe it was read over to me.

(The deposition on being read, stated—"I saw Angle at the time in the yard below, loading a Finchley cart with corn, chaff, and bran.")

Q. Now you hear that. I ask you again, was Angle in the yard at the time? A. He was in the yard at the time—I cannot say positively whether he was loading the Finchley cart, or whether he was not—I think he had finished it.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Are you sure whether Morrell drove one cart? A. No, I saw him there—I am sure that meadow hay was taken from the two first carts—there were several carts unloaded after the two first.

ALFRED SEERS . I am clerk to Mr. Dixon. On the 20th of March I put my initials to this ticket, supposing Angle had received the hay all right—he applied to me, and put this first ticket through the railings, and said, "Four loads of hay, Sweeting"—he waited for me to give him the other note—according to the mode of transacting business, his bringing the first note intimated to me that he had received the four loads of hay.

COURT. Q. Then he made no comment, but you inferred that you were to make out a receipt for that, and he would have warned you if there were

anything wrong? A. Yes, this is the paper I received from him: "Four loads of hay, from R. Sweeting"—I wrote twenty guineas on it—I laid it down on the desk, and made an entry according to this, and gave Angle this second paper back—I do not know what he did with it.

WILLIAM LARMAN . Sibley brought this second paper home to my house.

SAMUEL TAYLOR . I am constable of Whitechapel-market. I saw Mr. Larman's carts come to market on the 20th of March, and in consequence of information I went to Banks's house, in Brick-lane—there were ten trusses of meadow hay there, all lying together—six of them were identified by Mr. Larman—I took Banks into custody—I then went and took Hawes at a beer-shop, at Enfield-highway, and found Sibley at his lodging, which is near there—I took Dawkins next day—he walked part of the way to London don with me, till we got an omnibus—as we were on the road he said to me, "This is a bad job, Master Taylor, about the hay"—he said, "I have been led into this by Taylor and the others; I was a very good boy all the time I was in Mr. Wilson's employ; he will give me a good character; I never did anything wrong till lately; the first thing I did wrong was about two months ago; there was a load of clover to go to Mr. Dixon's, and Taylor and Morrell said, 'Leave three trusses of clover-hay at Banks's, but you must make it all right with Dick;' I took there trusses to Banks's, and sold them for balf-a-crown apiece, which was 7s. 6d.—I went to Dixon's, and unloaded, and gave Dick 4s., who stood a pot of beer, and I never went there till the time this happened again"—he said, "On the day in question I and Sibley, and Hawes and 0 renal I went to Banks's, and the first two carts took three trusses each off, and I and Ovenall took two trusses each off our carts; we received 4s. each, and then Dawkins received la. back from Ovenall.

(Dawkins received a good character.)

HAWES— GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Nine Months. DAWKINS— GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Six Months. SIBLEY— GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Nine Months.—(See page 942.)


7th April 1845
Reference Numbert18450407-942
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; No Punishment > sentence respited

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942. GEORGE TAYLOR, JOHN MORRELL , the said JOHN SIBLEY, MATTHEW HAWES, SAMUEL DAWKINS , and RICHARD ANGLE , were indicted for stealing 8 trusses of hay, value 10s., the goods of William Larman the younger, the master of Taylor, Sibley, Mor-rell, Hawes, and Dawkins.—2nd Count, stating them to be the goods of Richard Dixon, the master of Angle.

WILLIAM LAEMAN, JUN . I am a hay-dealer, living at Enfield; Taylor, Sibley, Morrell, Hawes, and Dawkins were in my employ. Each of them drove a load of hay to Whitechapel-market on the morning of the 20th of March, to sell for me—I know of their all having to take hay of mine to Mr. Dixon that morning—they had to take four loads of meadow hay, three loads of clover, and one of cinquefoil.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Do you remember on that morning,' Taylor, Morrell, and Sibley being there? A. Yes—I drove in a little before nine o'clock, and got the notes—I gave Sibley the note for the four loads of meadow hay, and the other note to Taylor.

ROBERTSON SWEETING . I am salesman to Mr. Larman. I remember selling four loads of meadow hay, and some other hay, for him to Mr. Dixon on the morning of the 23rd of March—Taylor, Sibley, Morrell, Hawes, and Dawkins conveyed the loads that morning—this is the ticket I gave.

HENRY OVENALL . I am thirteen years old; I am in the service of Mr. Larman. On the morning of the 20th of March I went with a load of my master's hay to Whitechapel-market—Taylor, Sihley, Morrell Hawes, and Dawkins all drove loads of hay to Whitechapel-market that morning—I was in Whitechapel market when four loads of meadow-hay were ordered to he taken to Mr. Dixon's—Hawes, Sibley, Dawkins, and I went with these four loads—we went round by Mr. Banks's, and after we had stopped there we went on to Mr. Dixon's.

COURT. Q. How much did you start with from Mr. Larman's? A. A load apiece, each load containing thirty-six trusses—before we arrived at Mr. Dixon's there had been three trusses a piece taken off two of the loads, and two trusses apiece off the two other loads—they were ten trusses deficient in all.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Were all the trusses, except those ten, delivered at Mr. Dixon's? A. No; one truss was brought away in my cart—Morrell, Dawkins, and Taylor helped to unload my cart—I saw Angle about the yard, I never saw him touch any hay—I did not drive my cart down Mr. Dixon's yard—I minded Dawkins's cart while he unloaded mine—I saw my cart when it had come out of the yard—there was one truss of hay in it, similar to what I had taken there—my cart went down to the Wagon and Horses—I and Dawkins went with it—I saw Angle in Mr. Dixon's yard when I came out—he was ever so far off the cart—I never saw any cart come out of the yard—T was minding Dawkins's cart in Barbican—I was standing ever so far from the gateway, a good bit farther than the length of this Court—while my cart was in the yard I went in and done the ropes up after they had undone them—I did up Dawkins's ropes when they had taken them off, and then he unloaded his cart, and then he undid mine—I drew my cart up the yard, then he unloaded his, and then I went out with his cart—I staid while they began to untie mine—Dawkins, Taylor, and Morrell were there, and Angle was up and down the yard—I was there while Dawkins's cart was being unloaded, and let him unload my cart as well as his own—when we got to the Wagon and Horses the truss of hay which was in my cart was put into the stable there—Angle came to town that morning by one of the carts from Tottenham—when we were at the Wagon and Hones Dawkins asked me for 1s., which I gave him; and as we were going along the road home he told me he had given Dick 2s. 9d.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. You took the hay to Mr. Banks to steal it? A. Yes, I knew what I was going there for—I did not know that it was arranged to carry off a truss in each cart when we got to Mr. Dixon's yard, nor that three trusses were to come out—I only knew of one truss coming out—I got nothing for that truss which was carried out of the yard—I got 3s. in all—I had 4s., and I gave Dawkins 1s. back at the Wagon and Horses—I sold two trusses of my master's bay at Mr. Banks's for that 3s.—I was not surprised to see my trusses walk off at Mr. Banks's, but 1 did not know where they were going—I have nener been in any scrape, or in custody—I was not to get anything if I came as a witness that I know of—I did not know that I should not be tried if I came as a witness, nor think I should escape if I came here to betray my comrades—I saw Angel coming from Tottenham that morning—I saw him just before I got up Tottenham High Cross hill—I did not speak to him—I recollected that I saw him when I was examined at the police-court.

COURT. Q. Where did Angle get down? A. Just as we got on the stones—he rode from the to