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Taken in Short-hand.








On the King's Commission of the Peace,



The City of London,





Before the Right Honourable WILLIAM TAYLOR COPELAND , LORD MAYOR of the City of London; Sir Stephen Gazalee, Knt., one of the Justices of His Majesty's Court of Common Pleas; and Sir John Patteson, Knt., one of the Justices of His Majesty's Court of King's Bench; William Venables, Esq.; Sir John Key, Bart.; Sir Peter Laurie, Knt.; and Henry Winchester, Esq.; Aldermen of the said City of London; the Honourable Charles Ewan Law, Recorder of the said City; Thomas Kelly, Esq.; John Cowan, Esq.; Samuel Wilson, Esq.; James Harmer, Esq.; Thomas Johnson, Esq.; John Pirie, Esq.; Thomas Wood, Esq.; and James White Esq; Aldermen of the said City of London; John Mirechouse, Esq., Common Sergeant of the said City; and William St. Julien Arabin, Sergeant at Law; His Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer, and Gaol Delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.


First Jury.

Frederick Monkfield

Hugh John Mather

James Millrose

John Thomas Markwell

George Thomas Major

John Wilks

Samuel Hardwick

Thomas Mulligan

Richard Walker

William Maynard

James Murrell

Thomas Baker Knott

Second Jury.

Uriah Macey

John Eland

Richard Nelms

Richard Mason

William Nichols

Joel Mann

James Nayfield

Henry William Miles

David Craig

Thomas Nurton

Joseph Marchant

Joseph James Assinger

Third Jury.

Thomas Callaway Kegelin

Thomas Matthews

Arthur Church

William Edward Greer

James Fagan

John Marley

William Crosby

James Moss

Thomas Monk

William Grant Miller

John M'llbraith

John Mortimer

Fourth Jury.

Thomas Nye

Richard Fuller

Joseph Marchant

Henry Messenger

John Fox

John Bargman

William Astell

John Main

Samuel Harris Jennins

Samuel Bugg

George Fielding

Farmer Floyd

Fifth Jury.

Richard Benns

George Wilson

Thomas Nicholls

W. Francis Mould

John Bilton

James King

Thomas Burles

James Holdsworth

William Jeeves

Thomas Fulcher

John Cox

Charles Sibley

Sixth Jury.

Richard Smith

Benjamin Newman

Charles Mann

Maurice Nathan

Robert Nicholson

Daniel Arnold

Henry James Dixon

Charles Nicholls

John Newman

Robert Wilson

John Singer

Peter Astley



A star (*) denotes that the prisoner has been previously in custody—An obelisk (†), that the prisoner is known to be the associate of bed characters.


Fourth Jury, before Mr. Justice Patteson.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-877
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation; Guilty > with recommendation; Guilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown
SentenceDeath; Death; Death

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877. JAMES BARRETT, JAMES PARADISE, SAMUEL CAPEL, JOHN THOMAS , and THOMAS BELCHER were indicted for burgleriously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of John Charlton, about the hour of one in he night of the 17th of March, at Woolwich, with intent to steal, and stealing therein, 1 watch-chain, value 5l.; 1 guard-chain, value 5s.; 6 brooches, value 2l. 2s.; 1 buckle, value 2s.; seent-bottle, value 1s. 6d.; 1 cornelian heart, value 5s.; and I head ornament, value 4s.; the goods of the said John Charlton.

JOHN CHARLTON . I am a jeweller and watchmaker, and live at No. 3, Wellington-street, Woolwich. On the 17th of March, I went to bed about eleven o'clock at night, as night, as near as I can judge—I saw the last person up in the house—I examined the doors and windows that night—they were all safe—the fastenings were all on, and the bolts right—the shop window is a projecting square window, about six feet long, fastened with a bar and two bolts at the end; and the door was fastened with two bolts and a lock—I was awoke about half-past one o'clock in the morning by the cracking of glass—I immediately got out of bed, and an to the shop door—my bed-room is on the ground floor, about seven yards from the window—when I got to the shop door, I heard the glass tricking as if it was outside the window—I put off the top bolt of the door, and heard some persons running from the door, from the outside, very quickly—I could not tell whether it was more than one person—At that moment I gave an alarm, as loud as I possibly could, to the family upstairs—my father and mother, and brother-in-law—I then unbolted the lower bolt, and unlocked the door—I went outside, and by the light of the gas-lamp, which was about thirty yards distant, on the other side of the way, I distinctly saw a quantity of glass immediately under the bar of the shop-window—there was a piece of gold among the glass—I took that up, and came inside again, and got a light—I saw nobody—when I came inside, I found the second pane in the window from the door, broken—it appeared as if it had been forced by some power from the outside—there are five shutters outside the glass, and a bar—the bar was sprung in a semicircular form—that bar was outside the window, and a hard shell was placed inside the shutter, between that and the lower rail of the window—it was an ornamental shell for the mantel-piece—that kept the shutters out at the spring that they were at—there was about an inch aperture

between the outside sill of the window and the inside of the shutter from that it appeared they bad forced the glass by some instrument—I can scarcely think an arm could have been got in, unless it was forced by some other arm to keep it out, unless the bar was more sprung to admit an arm, as the further the bar came, the shutters kept tighter, as there was none of the shutters down—I found a gold watch-chain was gone, a silver guard, with a silver slide to it; several brooches, among which was a coral one; and a stone brooch without a stem: a gilt ornament for the hair; a cornelian heart, with a gold loop; and other things—the value of the different thing gone was about 8l—I had seen these things the night before—they were quite safe in the window when I went to bed—in the inside, between the inside sash and the outside sash of the window—if they broke the window, and put any instrument in, they might reach them with the instrument—the chains laid on a piece of plate glass on two iron brackets, and above that the silver guard hung—it appeared as if an instrument had been put through and cut the silver guard in the centre, and pulled it out of the loops; and the piece of plate glass was split right in the centre for the chains to drop into the aperture; but two of the chains fortunately had dropped the other way, inside—there were several flint watch-glasses broken, and came down with the other things, falling into the aperture—I then went and dressed myself, and came out and gave information—I have seen some of the things since—I have got the two slides of the chain—I got them from Nathan Hart—they are mine—I know them—they are a particular manufacture—I have not the slightest doubt about them.

SARAH TYRRELL . I live at No. 10, Trafalgar-road, Greenwich. On Saturday, the 19th of March, two marines came into my shop, which is a working-jeweller's—they showed me a coral brooch, and wanted to know if it was gold—I tried it, and told them it was jeweller's gold—Paradise was one of the two marines—I did not take notice of the other—they were going to shew me something else, but I told them I should not buy it, and they did not shew it—they put it in their pocket, and went out of the shop.

EDWARD NOBE . I live at Mr. Tyrrell's, a working-jeweller, in Trafalgar-road, Greenwich. On the 19th of March, two marines came to our house—I only know one of them, which was Capel—I did not take particular notice of the other—when they came into the shop, they took a brooch out of their cap, and asked if it was gold—my mistress told them it was jeweller's gold—I did not notice the brooch—they went away—I am quite sure of Capel's person.

EDWARD CHARTER . I am a pawn-broker, and live at Greenwich. A marine came to my house on Saturday, the 19th of March, and offered me two brooches for sale—to the best of my belief, it was the furthest prisoner from me (Barrett), but I cannot positively swear it—he offered me two brooches—I asked him what he wanted for them, and if they were his own property—I gave him 2s. for them—they are very common—they are not gold, in fact—I am not positive to his person.

WILLIAM WARD . I am a night-watchman, and live at Woolwich. On the night of the 17th of March, or the morning of the 18th, about twenty minutes after one o'clock, three marines passed me in Wellington-street—I proceeded round my heat, and about ten minutes before two o'clock, I received information that a robbery had been committed on my beat—I went in search, but could find nobody about—I hunted with the rest of the watchmen, but apprehended nobody that night—I do not know the man I saw go down Wellington-street—I did not put my light on them and could

not tell who they were—I did not apprehend anybody till the night of the 21st, between twelve and one o'clock, when I took Barrett—I found him in a street in Woolwich, with another marine, near the Dock-yard gate—I placed them in the sentry-box, under the charge of the sentry, while I went for the sergeant of the guards to take them away—it was for an assault I took him—while they were there, Barrett said to me, "You have got three marines in the watch-house, have you not?"—I said, "Yes; what do you know about them?"—"Oh," said he, "I know more than they do, for Thomas knows nothing about it—I know a great deal more about it than what Thomas does;" and he said that with an oath—I had not told Barrett what I took him for—the sergeant of the guard came up, and I told him to detain him on account of the burglary, as he had expressed something about it—I said that in his presence—next morning he was taken to the barracks, and I went to Mr. Charlton and informed him of it—I did not search Barrett—he was searched in the morning, but not that night.

NATHAN HART . I am a jeweller, and live in Woolwich. On the 18th of March I was at Old Charlton, and two marines offered to sell me two slides of guards—I know Belcher was one of them, but I cannot swear to the other—one slide was silver, and the other gold—I gave them 1s. for them—they did not offer me any thing else—they went away, and I went my way, and afterwards I heard what Mr. Charlton had lost—I went and showed them to him, and left them with him—(looking at them) these are the same—I made a mark on them—I went in search of the men afterwards, but did not find them.

JOHN COLEMAN . I am a baker, and live at Woolwich. I was with Hart, on the 18th of March, near Charlton Church, and recollect two marines coming up to him—it was Belcher and Thomas; Belcher pulled two slides out of his pocket, and asked Hart if he would buy them—Hart said, "What do you want for them?"—the gave 1s. for them—I lent him the money—I am quite sure of their persons—I had seen Thomas before, but not Belcher to my knowledge.

Thomas. Q. Did you see me take any part in taking the money? A. No; Belcher was the man who talked about them.

WILLIAM DAVIS . I am a constable. I apprehended Belcher on Saturday morning, the 19th of March, about half-past six o'clock, at the Royal Oak public-house, Woolwich, in Company with one Robinson—I told him it was on suspicion of breaking into Mr. Charlton's shop—I found a shilling and two sixpences on Belcher—with assistance, I conveyed them done to the watch-house—I brought down Coleman and Hart to see them—I left them locked up in the watch-house—there were no other marines looked up there besides Belcher and Robinson—I went away, leaving them looked up.

JOHN NOYES . I am a watchman. I apprehended Thomas about two o'clock, on the morning of the 19th of March, in Artillery-place—he was in company with Robinson and Belcher, about a quarter of an hour before I took him—I followed them—they were all walking abreast, all in a row—Belcher is the only man I knew before—I followed them some distance; and in Artillery-place I got within twenty yards of them, and Belcher and Robinson ran away—I took Thomas into custody—I knew Belcher before, but not the others—I did not lose sight of Thomas, except when he turned the corner—I am quite sure he is one of the men who was walking with Belcher—when I took him,

I told him I took him to suspicion of breaking Mr. Charlton's shop open, and asked him where Belcher was—he said he had run away and that the other man' name was Robinson—I said, "What is you name?"he said, "Thomas"—I put him in the guard-room, while I went in search of the other two—this was on the Saturday morning, about two o'clock—I searched him, but found nothing on him.

Thomas. Q. What part of the town did you see me in with Robinson and Belcher a quarter of an hour before? A. In Coleman-street—I suppose I followed them nearly a mile—they went to the back of the Marine-barracks and then back again—you did not offer to run—I took hold of you by the collar—I was within twenty yards when Belcher and Robinson ran away—when I told you the charge, you said you knew nothing about it—you said you could bring a witness to prove where you slept the night before, when the robbery was done.

JOHN RUTLAND I am a waiter at the Salutation, at Woolwich. I know Betcher—he came into the public-house of Friday, the 18th of March, between seven and eight o'clock in the morning, he came out into the yard and washed his face and hand—he then came into the kitchen and wiped them—he put his hand into his pocket, and pulled out a scent-bottle with a silver top, and offered it to me for 8d.—he then asked me if I would give him 6d. for it—I did not buy it—I do not know whether I should know it again—I have not seen it since he went out of the kitchen.

JOHN ALSFORD . I am a watchman at Woolwich. On Friday morning, the 18th of March, at about half-past six o'clock, I was in the street—I had just left my beat—I was coming from the watch-house towards my house, and saw Belcher at the back of the new church in Beresford-street, seriously looking on the ground—I asked him what he was looking for—he said he had lost a shilling the night before—he had his cap in his hand—I saw there was something in it which glistened—I knew him before, I am quite sure it was him—he went away—I saw him about half-past seven o'clock, in company with Thomas, at the Salutation—when I went into the Salutation they went out.

JAMES IZATT . I am a sergeant of the Marines. I was ordered by Serjeant-major Chapman to escort Capel before the Magistrate—I had to wait for paradise—I told Capel he was a great fool to run away—he said Robinson was not concerned in it, there was only himself Paradise, and Belcher—I then asked him how he broke the bolts, he said with his hands—I had him in custody at that time, but no others.

Capel He asked me how the bolts were broken, and I said I supposed with the hands. Witness He answered "With our hands."I think—I asked how he broke the bolts, and he answered with his hands.

COURT Q. Did you not say, "How did you break the bolts? A. I am not positive of that, but the purport of what he said was, he did it with his hands—that is as near as I can tell you.

GEORGE CHAPMAN . I am the sergeant-major. On the afternoon of the 2nd I received information, and gave Capel in charge while I went to the Royal Marine Infirmary for Paradise—I asked him(Paradise) where he was on the night of the 17th of March last—he said he was absent—I again asked him where he was, meaning what part of the town—he said the lower part of the town and I think the Marquis of Beresford public-house—I asked him if he was on the hill which is where this shop is situated—he said, "No"—I asked him if he was on the Plumpstead road or common—he said, "No"—afterwards I asked him if he was in company with Belcher

that night—he said, "Yes"—he also said he went to the barracks at twelve o'clock at night, on the 17th.

Barrett's Defence All I have to say is I am innocent of the crime laid to my charge.

Paradise's Defence I am innocent of the crime laid to my charge.

Capel's Defence. I am innocent of the crime.

Thomas's Defence. Belcher called on me the morning after the robbery about a quarter past six o'clock—I sleep two doors from the Crown—I went with his to the Salutation to have some beer—we went and took a walk; and coming through Charlton met the Jew, and Belcher said, "I have got two pieces of things I found here; they will raise money for a pot of beer"—he went to the Jew, and asked him what he would give for it—he said, "What will you take for it?"—he said, "1s., "and he gave him 1s.—we went to the public-house and had some beer, and at night Belcher came into the public-house where I was, and going up to the barracks I was apprehended—I did not run away—I told the watchman I could bring witnesses to prove where I slept—my witnesses came up, and we were remanded till Monday, and last time they were not sent for—the policeman went to the house I slept at—they told him I was there till Belcher came for me—I know nothing at all about the robbery.

WILLIAM THOMAS CHITTENDEN . I am a constable of the parish of Woolwich. In searching after the property, from the information of the prisoner Thomas, I went to the place where he slept, and it was stated to me that he did sleep there—that is all I know—I was at the watch-house—Belcher, Thomas, and Robinson were locked up there—I left them there locked up—the keys were left in the poor-house—I afterwards went to the watch-house and found the door open and all the prisoners gone—that was on Thursday evening, the 24th.

PARADISE— GUILTY [Recommended to mercy by the Jury. See original trial image.]— DEATH . Aged 22.

CAPEL— GUILTY [Recommended to mercy by the Jury. See original trial image.]— DEATH . Aged 19.


(Paradise and Capel recommended to mercy by the Jury, there being no direct proof that the property they offered for sale was the prosecutor's.)


Before Mr. Justice Patteson.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-878
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceDeath; Death

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878. JOHN YOUNG and EDWARD BROWN were indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of George Reed, about the hour of one in the night of the 19th of March, at West Ham, Essex, with intent to steal, and stealing therein 1 table-cloth, value 3s.; 4 tea-spoons, value 12s.; 3 dice, value 3d.; 1/2 lb. of tobacco, value 2s.; 1 sixpence; and the sum of 3s. 7d. in copper money; the goods and monies of the said George Reed.

GEORGE REED . I Keep the Jolly Brewers beer-house at Startford, in the parish of West Ham. On Saturday night, the 19th of March, I was the last person up, and saw every thing safe—I saw the flap of the cellar door at twelve o'clock at night, and I had knocked a nail into it about twelve o'clock that day to make it fast—that is at the back of the house—Mr. Carded alarmed me next morning about a quarter before six o'clock—I found the does then all locked and bolted—I unbolted the back door, and unlocked it, and went into the yard with Mr. Garde—I found the cellar flap taken from the hinges, and standing against the stable—a person could get down into the house in that way—I missed four tea-spoons and one table-cloth, and the till

was missing from its place—I cannot exactly say what amount was in it—I believe there was one sixpence, and some coppers, halfpence, and farthings—I cannot say how many farthings—I missed half a pound of tobacco in one parcel, and I believe that is all I missed—there were three dice in the box with the farthings; I missed them—there were fifteen packages of tobacco in the whole—mine is a very met cellar—there is a great deal of water in it and there was between five and six inches of water on that day—I have seen the things since.

JOHN BARTLETT I am a private watchman of Stratford, On Sunday, the 20th of March, I was out on my watch in the morning and about two o'clock I saw the two prisoners—I know them before—I saw them at two o'clock, as near as I can say, in Stratford going from London, between the Green Man and Mr. Reed's house, towards the Ilford road; they were going in a direction from his house—I saw Brown again that morning further down past the turnpike—that was about four o'clock—he was alone then—he was coming up a lane at the back of some houses, going in a direction for the Ilford road again.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Did you speak to him the last time you saw him? A. I did not—he was coming up a back lane—it was about four o'clock in the morning.

CHARLES COLYER I am a policeman I was on duty in High-street, Bow, on the night of the 19th up to the 20th—I appreheneded the prisoner Young about a quarter to five o'clock in the morning in High-street—I stopped him on suspicion—I found this property on him—he had the spoons in his trowsers pockets and the money; and the other articles and tobacco in his jacket pocket; and the table-cloth wrapped round his body; under his clothes—here are four silver spoons, half a pound of tobacco, and, I believe, fifteen half-ounces; 1s. 4 1/2 d. in copper money, nine farthings, the dice, and a table-cloth—I asked where he got them from—he said he bought them if a man at the Rising Sun, at Ilford.

WILLIAM LAPWORTH I am a policeman. I was on duty at Bow on the 20th of march—Grade brought the prisoner Brown to me—I searched him and found a box of phosphorus matches, 1s. 4 1/2d. in pence and halfpence, and eight farthings, and a tobacco-pouch—I assisted is taking off his shoes—I observed his stockings were very wet—I took the shoes to Mr. Reed's house, an the shoe of the right foot exactly corresponded with some foot-marks on some soft ground under the part where they first entered the premises—I places the shoes on the print—the ground was not grass; it was a little earth under the wall, soft—I put the shoe into the print—that is the only way I compared them—I placed the shoes in at once—I did not measure the extent of the print before I put the shoe on—there was only one print—that is the only way in which I compared it.

Cross-examined. Q. You found nothing on Brown which the prosecutor claims? A. Nothing that he could swear to—I found 1s. 4 1/2d. and eight farthings on him.

WILLIAM ROBERT GARDE . I am an Inspector of the police. I apprehened Brown four or five minutes before five o'clock, just abreast of Bow church, coming from Stratford—he was by himself—I gave him in charge of Lapworth—I saw Colyer apprehend Young, and saw him take the spoons out of his pocket—I was five or six yards from him—that was ten or eleven minutes before I apprehend Brown—I walked back towards London, and went home to the station-house—I then walked back towards Stratford, and met Brown.

Cross-examined. Q. Was Brown in sigh at the time Young was apprehened? A. I did not see him—I had a brown surtout coat on—my police dress was underneath—I walked a short distance towards London after Young was taken, and then returned and met Brown—I had not passed him, but Young being stopped with the spoons and things, I suspected there was another person behind—a child could carry what he had—I did not see Brown till I walked towards Sratford, and met him and apprehended him, Knowing him before—it was in the turnpike-round—I did not search him or see him searched.

GEORGE REED re-examined. These spoons and table-cloth are mine, and what I missed that night—the dice I cannot swear to.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you keep a beer-shop. A.. Yes—it is always well frequented—the tracks of many people's feet might be round there.

Young's Defence I know nothing of this young man further than friendship—he was not along with me at the time I bought the property, which I did at the Rising Sun at Ilford, not knowing they were stolen—the man asked me 10s., and I gave 10s. for them.



Third Jury before Mr. Justice Gaselee.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-879
VerdictsGuilty > with recommendation; Guilty > with recommendation; Guilty > with recommendation
SentencesDeath; Death; Death

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879. CHARLES KITLEY was indicted for that he, on the 20th of March, at Tottenham, feloniously, unlawfully, and maliciously did shoot a certain gun, loaded with gunpowder, and divers leaden shots, at and against Zachariah French, with intent feloniously, wilfully, and of his malice aforethought, to kill and murder him—2nd COUNT, with intent to maim—3rd COUNT, to disfigure.—4th COUNT, to do some grievous bodily harm.—5th COUNT, stating the gun to be loaded with gunpowder, and other destructive materials, with intent to maim.—6th Count, to do some grievous bodily harm, and stating the gun to be loaded, as in the 5th Count.—7th Court, to disfigure, and stating the gun to be loaded, as in the 5th Count.—and GEORGE PAGE and BERRY CARTWRIGHT , that they feloniously were present, counselling, aiding, abetting, and assisting the said Charles Kitley to commit the felony aforesaid.

MESSRS. CLARKSON and DOANE conducted the Prosecution.

ZACHARIAH FRENCH . I am bailiff to Huntley Bacon, Esquire. of Bounds-green in the parish of Tottenham. I remember in March last, some sheep having been worried—James Scoot is a shepherd, in Mr. Bacon's employ—on Sunday morning, the 20th of March, I went out about eleven o'clock and went into a field called the Hilly Field—I observed five men at a short distance from Dampford Wood, as I stood in the Hilly Field—I did not know all the men at that time—I knew Page—I cannot say I knew any other exactly at that time, I did not see them distinctly enough—I made my way down to the wood, and saw two men run down the wood—as they were running away I said, "It is no use for you to attempt to run away, I am determined to have you"—I know Page was one of the two men—I could not see exactly who the other was, for the boughs, and one thing to the other—I had a gun with me—there are hares and rabbits is that wood, and I have seen them—it is a part of my employment to look after the preservation of those things—I noticed a dog running towards me, and I shot it directly after that I saw another dog, my gun was not loaded then, I could not shoot that—I said, "Look out, shepherd, and shoot that dog"—Scott

was in the same field with me—in consequence of what I said he shot the dog directly—the dogs were what are called lurchers, not grey-hounds exactly—the shepherd and I then went down the bottom of the field, over the hedge, towards Mr. Rhodes's ground, and there we saw the five men—I suppose they were all the same five men that I had first seen when I got into the field—Page was one of them, Charles Kitley was another—I cannot say exactly to be positive that I can swear to any other—when we saw these five men they began to let out in a most violent manner, saying, "Shoot the b—b—"—they were standing towards me as I got to the end of the wood—they were on Mr. Rhodes's land then)—they went before me, face to my face—they stood at the bottom of Mr. Bacon's land, in Mr. Rhodes's fields—I should think I was about sixty or eighty yards from them when they used those expressions—Scoot was with me at that time—they then followed us—we turned back—seeing five against two. I said, "We must go back", and I went back with Scott, in a direction for home—I ran up the field, and they followed us—they ran for the space of, I suppose, four-score yards—I had reloaded my gun then, and the shepherd as well—went hey had pursued us for the space of about eighty yards, Kitley got over Mr. Rhodes's hedge, and ran towards us—there is no gate in that field—there are some bars—it is not a proper stile—they are bars to keep the stock asunder, because the quick of the hedge is bad.

JURY. Q. Is that the place where the prisoner got over? A. I cannot say whether he got over the bars or the hedge—I was running away from fear, and my back was towards him—it was not a great distance from that place that he got over.

MR. DOANE. Q. You say he ran towards you? A. He did—he pointed a gun a time or two—it appeared to me to be more at the shephered than me at that time—them, shortly after, he pointed it at me, and fired immediately—he fired at me—he had not pointed the gun at us more than two or three times—I thing not more that twice—I turned round to look at him at times—my face was towards this face when he fired—I did not see that Kitely had a gun when he first pursued us—I never pursued them—I think he was as near as fifty yards when he fired—I am quite certain that he gained upon me after he first ran after me, before he fired the gun, for I had to run up hill—when he fired, I heard the contents of the piece rattle over my head more like a hail storm than anything—the contents struck is the boughs at a considerable distance from where I stood at that time, being me.

JURY. Q. Did you afterwards see the makes where the contents struck? A. I never looked.

MR. DOANE. Q. You say you heard the contents pass over your head, about how near your head? A. It seemed a very short distance from my head, but how for I cannot possibly say—from my knowledge of guns, and what I heard of the report, I should naturally say, the gun was loaded with shots—I saw Page and Kitley in custody that night.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS Q. Were you Standing in the open ground, or among tress? A. I was standing in open ground between trees—the tress were from ten to twelve, or not above fifteen yards from me—from ten to fifteen yards—at that distance I could hear the shots striking the tress above my head—If I had looked at the tress, I might possibly have ascertained how high above my head the shots had struck—I think it might he ascertained if there had been marks sufficient so that we could have seen them—there were no leaves on the

tress—a shot coming at the distance of fifteen yards with such force as to be heard, might possibly make a mark on the bark.

Q. Do not you know that shot scatters very considerably out of a gun at the distance of fifteen yards? A. It depends on the piece a great deal—the musket I had would lay marks into a tree above fifteen yards off—shot scatters more at a long distance than a short one—I am not a gamekeeper—I am connected with sporting—fifty or sixty. yards is a good distance for a gun to kill, but it will do it—shot keeps compact for some distance when discharged from a gun, and then it scatters—many shots are carried round a good distance before they scatter—it is a bad piece that will not carry forty yards, and then keep round—it is not for the advantage of the sportsman to scatter the shot—a sportsman would have a much better chance of killing a bird by the shot scattering, but he would not kill a hare in that way.

Q. Now it the shot scatters at fifty or sixty yards, would not the boughs be struck as well as the trunk of the tree? A. It depends on the tallness of the tress—these were large elm tress—they have branches or boughs—I will swear the shot did not go twenty yards above my head—I never examined the tree—I was standing when the man fired.

Q. If he had the least notion of striking you, would he not have a much better chance of doing so by running up closer to you and then firing than at a distance of fifty or sixty yards, if he intended to hit you instead of frightening you by firing over your head? A. The reason he ran was to get near—he ran the distance of about fifty yards—he would not have had a better chance of hitting me if he had come within twenty yards—I should not have stood still—I made no indication to prevent his coming near me—the five men had one gun among them—I and the shepherd had a gun each—the shepherd was within three or five yards of me when the shot was fired—I thing he went to examined the trees.

MR. CLARKSON Q. Are you sure you heard the shots rattle against the trees at your back, when the man fired at you? A. I am certain of it—a gun loaded with shot will wound seriously at fifty yards—many guns will kill at sixty, and some few at seventy yards—I heard the shots pass—if he was nearer to me he might have killed me—he gained on me by pursuing me through the field, before he level led the gun the third time, and shot at me—it was after the other man called out, "Shoot the man" that he shot—the shepherd did shoot directly after Kitley fired at me.

JURY Q. you cannot say how high the trees were? A. No, I cannot—they were very large elms—bigger round than my body some of them—the boughs were above my head—I do not suppose they were two yards above my head—some were lower and some higher—I suppose some of them were but a short distance off my head—some of them were in less than my hand's reach—the prisoner were standing on Mr. Rhodes's land when I first saw them—they were coming towards the wood, which is Mr. Bacon's property.

Q. Why did not you seek among the boughs for marks? A. There were little boughs opposite the trees which were not upon the tress—hedge boughs—I thought it useless to look among those little boughs for such things as that.

JOHN SCOTT . I am shepherd to Mr. Bacon On Sunday, the 20th of March, early in the morning I was out looking after the sheep—I found that some dogs had been worrying them, and that one of them was dead—it was about six o'clock—I observed footsteps of two persons—at eleven

o'clock that morning I was out with French in the neighbourhood of Damp ford-wood—I was about two hundred yards from French—when I got to the wood I heard him call out to me, and I directly went in the direction in which he was—a lurcher passed me, and I shot him—I did not see any men at the time—I went to the corner of the wood directly, and saw five men in Mr. Rhodes's filed, adjoining the wood—I knew page at the time, I saw him among the five—Kitley is anther of them—Kitley had a gun with him—on observing that there were five, French and I turned round, and they all made directly towards us—Mr. Bacon's field joins Mr. Rhodes's—we were in Mr. Bacon's field—we had not been in Mr. Rhodes's field—we were in Mr. Bacon's field when we saw the men—we turned round to go towards home, and all the five men followed us—they got over the hedge into Mr. Bacon's field—we ran a little, and they ran a little—they gained upon us—when they got into Mr. Bacon's field, they all cried out, "Shoot the b—b—s," and various words of that description, and Kitley followed us up with the gun, running—he was nearer to us at last—he had run faster than his companions—he got within about fifty yards of us before he fired—I stopped to look round, and he pointed his piece at me twice—when he got within fifty yards of us he fired his piece at French by the sound of the shot—French was from three to five yards from me at the time—it was hilly ground—French had stopped before he was shot at—there were elm trees before us as we ran—French turned round, before he was shot at, towards the men who were pursuing us—I distinctly heard something strike the trees—that satisfied me that the gun was loaded with missiles of some description—after Kitley shot, he turned round and ran away; and the I discharged my gun at him—I was not particular about the direction I shot in—it was more merely to frighten them—he might have got about ten yards when I shot at him—when he level led his gun at meat first, I; levelled my gun at him—I did not do so before he levelled his gun at me—my object in doing it was merely to deter him from coming near—I saw Kitley and Page in custody that evening—I do not know what Kitley is—I believe him to be a labourer—I know Benjamin Skinner.

Cross-examined. Q. I do not know whether you know one of these men was in the habit of killing little birds to stuff? A. I do not know—the men were on Mr. Rhodes's ground at first, and came on Mr. Bacon's field after us—it was within five minutes after we had shot their dogs that Kitley fired his gun—the gun I had was a common fowling-piece—the men had only one gun among them that I saw, and that gun was discharged—they had no time to load their gun again before I fired at them—my gun was loaded with powder and shot, I believe No, 5, shot, which is very small—partridge shot—that would kill a partridge thirty or forty yards off—I cannot say whether my gun would kill a bird at fifty or sixty yards.

BENJAMIN SKINNER . I am groom to Mr. Williams., of Wood-green, Tottenham. On the Sunday morning in question I was in Bound's-green-lane, a bout eleven o'clock—that is close to Mr. Bacon's ground—I heard a gun fired towards the wood—it appeared to be close to the wood—I saw five men run out of Dampford wood at first—Cartwright and page are two of the men—I do not know the others—they ran down the field, towards Mr. Rhodes's ground—they ran over Mr. Bacon's field into Mr. Rhodes's ground, adjoining it—they were followed by French and Scott—I went towards French and Scott—I saw them turn back, and these men

made a halt, and then went after them—they made some oath, and then ran after them—I then heard a gun fired again—they were out of my sight then—I saw the five men—I could not see French and Scott, when I got where the men were—they were going through the wood at the end of the gateway, at the end of the wood through the gateway—they were dragging the two dogs—two had got each a dog, dragging them as they were dead, and one had a gun—one of them said, when I got near them, "Shoot the b—if he comes near us"—that was after I heard the shot fired.

Cross-examined. Q. They said, "If he comes near us?" A. Yes; that was meant to me—I first heard a gun fire, and then saw the five men come out of the wood, followed by French and Scott—I cannot say whether French and Scott had guns at that time—I saw them as I was running towards them—I saw one gun—French and Scott came out at the gateway, at the end of the wood—they did not follow the five men on to Mr. Rhodes's ground—they appeared following them in that direction—the five men were running, and French and Scott were running after them, and French and Scott then turned back, seeing the five men—the five men stopped when they saw them turn back—the five men ran after them, making some oaths, and then I heard the gun fired—I cannot say from whom the shot was fired—it was after they run after French and Scott that I heard it fired—when I got up to them, they came dragging the two dogs—there might have been two guns fired—there might have been two reports—I heard one—there might have been another—they were pretty well both together, if there were two—there might be a minute between the two reports—I did not listen to it—I was running to get to their help, and did not listen to the gun—it might have gone off, and I not hear it.

JOSEPH FORESTER . I am a constable. In consequence of what I heard, I went to Mr. Bacon's house at three o'clock on Sunday, and from what I learnt from French there I went in pursuit of Charles Kitley, in company with Fowler and another constable—I went after the whole of them, in fact—I found Kitley at eleven o'clock at night near the Green Man public-house, at Muswell-hill, in the parish of Hornsey—he was in the road, coming from the Green Man, and Page was in the path—I took Kitley into custody—I did not know him at that time—I asked his name, and he gave me the name of King)—I heard Fowler ask Page his name, and he also gave the name of King—I afterwards knew where Page's father lived, but did not know at that time—I took Cartwright into custody about one o'clock in the morning of the following day, at page's house, in a shed adjoining the dwellling-house, sleeping with his clothes on.

JOHN FOWLER . I am a constable of Tottenham. I accompanied Forster, and have heard his evidence—it is correct.

(Kitley and Page made nio defence.)

Cartwright's Defence. I was crossing Mr. Rhodes's field on Sunday morning, about half-past eleven o'clock—I saw Page, and went up to him—he told me somebody had shot his dog, and he asked me if I would help him to take it away—while I was talking to him, I saw Skinner and two more come out of Dampford-wood, with two dogs and sticks—they came up to us and said, "What have they shot your dog?"—we answered them, "Yes, "—then these three men returned towards Wood-green—that is all I know of it.

(Mary Morton, a single woman, deposed to the prisoner Kitley's good character; and Richard Gibbons, a gardener, of Muswell-hill, to that of Page.) KITLEY— GUILTY [Recommenced to mercy, on account of their feelings being irritated by their dogs having been previously shot. See original trial image.]— DEATH . Aged 26.

PAGE— GUILTY [Recommenced to mercy, on account of their feelings being irritated by their dogs having been previously shot. See original trial image.]— DEATH . Aged 28.

CARTWRIGHT— GUILTY [Recommenced to mercy, on account of their feelings being irritated by their dogs having been previously shot. See original trial image.]— DEATH Aged 24.

Recommenced to mercy, on account of their feelings being irritated by their dogs having been previously shot.

First Jury before Mr. Recorder.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-880
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown
SentenceDeath; Death

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880. RICHARD ABSOLAM, WILLIAM ABSOLAM , and WILLIAM BISHOP were indicted for feloniously assaulting Joseph, Prior, on the 20th of March, At St. Luke, Middlesex, pouting him in fear, and taking from his person, and against his will, 1 bag, value 1d. 4 half-crowns, 9 shillings, and 1 sixpence; the goods and monies of the said Joseph Prior.

JOSEPH PRIOR . I am a carman, and live at No. 21, Hatfield-street, Goswell-street. On the 20th of March, I was at the Benbow public-house, in Golden-lane—when went in, it was near upon twenty minutes after twelve o'clock at night—I called for a point of beerit waa served, and I paid for it—I drank it at the side of the counter, by the bar—the prisoners William and Richard Absolam stood at the side of the bar together—they were drinking—William Absolam had a pint pot in his hand, and asked me to drink—I told him no, I had got beer of my own—he asked if I would let him drink out of my pot—I told him no, and told him to keep his own company and I would keep my own—he asked me if he might drink out of my pot—I did not choose to make acquaintance in that way—no sooner had I spoken, than William pushed me down, and fell on the top of me—he pout his knees into my belly, and the other, which was Richard, fell on the top of me as well—I had not spoken to him—one of them kicked me in the side, which it was I can't say—and then they ran one of their hands into my left-hand breeches pocket—cried, "Murder," and a police-officer came up and took them off me—he took William and Richard off me—I did not see Bishop while this was going on—as soon as I got up, I told them I was robbed of my money, 19s. 6d., which was four half-crowns, nine shillings, and one sixpence—I missed my money—it had been in a little fustian purse, in my left-hand breeches pocket—no money was found there—there was the same pocket as the hand had been introduced into—I had my money in my hand. and my hand in my pocket, before I paid for the beer—I paid three-halfpence out of it for my beer—the Absolams saw me pay for the beer—they stood before me at the time—I had received 18s. 10d. that night from my master. Henry Dodd—I had 1s. in silver before I received that—I had laid no more out—only three-halfpence—my master gives me a ticket every night for a pot of beer, and I only laid out the three-halfpence—I was quite sober—I had not done work till nearly half-past nine o'clock, and I went over opposite master's yard, and had the pot of beer, and stopped there till nearly ten minutes before twelve o'clock-two of us drank three pints of beer—that included the three-halfpenny-worth—I dare say I drank half the three pints, but I did not drink half the pint which I paid for before I was pushed down—when I paid for the three-halfpenny-worth of beer my money was safe—there was another person pressing upon me, when I was pushed down, but I can't swear to more than two—there was more than two or three persons had me down.

Cross-examined. Q. How many persons do you suppose were in the public-house at the time? A. I should think fifteen or sixteen—there was at least a dozen—after I was ill-treated, there was a scuffle among them)—I cannot say that I saw Bishop at all that night—I did not notice any body in company with these two young men.

ROBERT STREET . I live at the Benbow public-house, Golden-lane—I was barman there. On the 20th of March, the prosecutor came to the public-house from twenty minutes to half-past twelve o'clock—we shut up about half-past twelve o'clock on Saturday night—he asked for a pint of beer—I served him with the porter—I saw the prisoner, Wm. Absolam—he asked Prior whether he would drink—Prior said he had beer of his own—then William Absolam said, "Will you give us a drop of yours?'—it was not said jeeringly at all—Prior said, "No, keep your own company"—he did not say that very sharply—then William Absolam pushed him down with his two hands violently, as if in resentment, not in play at all, but angrily, and Richard rolled on the top of him—he had not spoken to him—he fell right down on the top of him with force, so as to keep him down—the hands of both were directed towards the prosecutor's pocket; and when he got up, he said, "I have lost my money"—that was when the policeman had taken the prisoner off to the station-house&—; directly he rose from the ground he said, "I have lost my money."

JURY. Q. Did you see Bishop at all? A. Bishop was on the top of Richard Absolam—they were all three on him at one time—one knocked him down and the others fell on him afterwards.

COURT. Q. Was Bishop pulling Richard Absolam off? A. No.

Cross-examined. Q. Has the prosecutor said truly, that after he was ill-treated, there was a general scuffle among the company? A. did not notice much of that—there was a scuffle of the policeman pulling them off—most of the persons there were drinking together—there was a kind of scuffle—first, one Absolam fell, his brother on him, and Bishop on him—no more of them tumbled—they were not very sober—I do not know whether Bishop might have fallen by accident, but he was sober—I saw him roll down—he was on the top of the two Absolams, for five minutes I could not see his hand—I have no master, but a mistress—we only keep the house open so late on Saturday nights—I cannot swear it was not open as late the night before, because I go to bed usually at half-past eleven o'clock, and mistress sits up—I suppose there were a dozen persons in the room—none of them took notice of what was going on—they kept quite quiet—some of them were tipsy, and some not—I did not notice Bishop having any altercation with Absolam—he was drinking beer with two or three more—I did not see him with Absolam.

JURY. Q. If you are always, in bed at half-past eleven o'clock, how were you up that night? A. I said, except Saturday nights.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Was your mistress in the room? A. She was at the end of the bar—this happened within her sight—I do not know why she is not was here to-night—she is well, and attending to business.

JURY. Q. Do you imagine that Bishop fell by accident, or that he intentionally threw himself on the other prisoners? A. I cannot tell.

COURT. Q. how near was he before he fell? A. About two yards—I did not see any thing to make him fall—I know he was larking after he got off them—he was on them about five minutes—he did not attempt to get up his weight made an additional weight on the prosecutor to keep him down when the officers came in, Bishop went out—Bishop was

sober—the other two prisoners were not very drunk—they were the worse for liquor—I do not know at what time we are required to close our house.

THOMAS ATKINS . I am a watch-motion-maker, and live at No. 15, Caroline-street, Goswell-street. On the 20th of March, I was passing down Golden-lane, about half-past twelve o'clock—about twenty yards from this house I heard the cry of "Murder"—I went on, and found it proceeded from the public-house—the door was ajar—I pushed it open, and saw several persons scuffing, and down on the floor—I went in, and found the prosecutor down on the floor, and Richard and William Absolam down on him—I pulled Richard on one side, and said, "Don't smother the man"—about the same moment the policeman entered, and took charge of them before they were off the floor—I did not see any thing of Bishop, until William Absolam called on him to fight—he said, "Bishop, why don't you fight? you b—, fight"—that was when the policeman was taking them away—I had got hold of William Absolam, assisting the policeman to get him out, at the time—Bishop made no reply.

Cross-examined. Q. Was the last witness in the house? A. Yes; he went out from the place—I dare say there were a dozen or fourteen persons there—I saw nothing violent in Bishop's demeanour, not that I noticed—I took no part in the transaction in my presence.

WILLIAM GARROD (police-constable G 169.) On the 20th of March I was opposite the Admiral Benbow public-house—I heard the cry of "Murder," and went over—I went in at what they call the Bottle Entrance—I looked over the bench, and saw Richard and William Absolam on the top of Prior—I had to come out at one door and go in at another, during that time Atkins had pulled Richard Absolam off Prior, and I took William off him, and took him into custody, and, before my brother officer came in Richard Absolam came and struck me violently eight or nine times, till my brother officer came in—I then gave William to him, and took Richard into custody—one of the party put his foot behind me while I had Richard, and tripped me up—I took them off to the station-house—I do not know who it was tripped me up—I heard somebody call out, "Bishop, Bishop, why don't you fight?"—that was before I was tripped up—I could not see who it was tripped me up.

JURY. Q. Then you did not see Bishop lying on the prosecutor? A. No—he was there—if he had been lying on him, he must have got up before I came in.

COURT. Q. Did the prosecutor come to the station-house? A. Yes, he did—I did not know he was robbed till he came to the station-house—he said he missed his money—he had not time to complain before I took them away—I went back to the house and looked for the money, but could not find any—the station-house is five or six minute's walk from the house. Cross-examined. Q. About how long were you going round from where you saw them lying on the prosecutor? A. Not above two minutes—I did not see Bishop doing any thing—I saw him when I went into the room—he was standing up against the counter, not above three feet from where Prior was lying down.

MR. PHILLIPS to THOMAS ATKINS. Q. I think you said you saw Bishop there? A. Yes—I did not see him commit any violence on any body after the policeman came in.

SAMUEL HAMAR (police-constable G 129.) I was coming along, a person said, "There is a row at the Benbow"—I entered the house, and found my brother officer pulling William Absolam off Prior—I saw Richard strike him—he gave William to me—I had great a difficulty to secure him—I was obliged to have assistance to get him out of the house—I saw Bishop in the house—I did not see him doing any thing—William Absolam called on him to fight.

JURY. Q. When was Bishop taken? A. On the 1st of April.

Cross-examined. Q. Did Bishop take any part in it, though he was called on to do so? A. He did not.

JOHN CLARK . I am foreman to Mr. Dodd. On the evening in question the prosecutor received 18s. 10d. from Mr. Dodd, his master, about eight o'clock, as near as I can judge—it might be a few minutes after.

WILLIAM BARTLETT (police-constable G 94.) I apprehended Bishop—I was on duty in Whitecross-street, and received information that he was wanted for being concerned in the robbery, and I took him—he asked me what I wanted of him—I told him I took him up on suspicion of being concerned in the robbery at the Admiral Benbow, on Saturday fortnight.

Richard Absolam's Defence. I was having a pot of beer with the young man—my brother was very much in liquor—I wanted to take him home—he got talking to the prosecutor, and they were larking together—my brother got wrestling with him, and they got down together, and I went to pick him up—they both had their hands on his collar.

JOSEPH PRIOR re-examined. I did not wrestle with either of the prisoners—I never had hold of William Absolam's collar.

ROBERT STREET re-examined. Prior did not wrestle with either of the Prisoners.

THOMAS ATKINS re-examined. I did not see Prior wrestling with either of the prisoners—I was not in the house till I heard the cry of "Murder"—I entered then, and they were on the floor—Prior did not wrestle—he could not get up.

Richard Absolam. I saw him on the ground, and went to take him up, and fell, and half-a-dozen more fell en the top of us—I only saw Street there—Mr. Garrod took me off to the station-house—I never lifted my hands to the officer at all—I am innocent of the robbery.

WILLIAM GARROD re-examined. He struck me eight or nine times very violently—I could hardly get my hat on the next day.

William Absolam's Defence. On the Saturday night I was very much intoxicated—I know nothing about the robbery—I am innocent of it—there was 4 1/2d. found on me and my brother.

WILLIAM GARROD re-examined. I Found 2 1/2d. on Richard.

SAMUEL HAMAR re-examined. I searched William, and found 2d. on him and gave it him back.

JOSEPH PRIOR re-examined. I only lost silver.




Third Jury, before Mr. Recorder.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-881
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown
SentenceDeath; Death; Death

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881. JOHN SMITH, DANIEL STONE , and JOHN HIGGINS were indicted for that they, about the hour of eight in the night of the 12th of March, at St. Dunstan, Stebonheath, alias Stepney, burglariously did break and enter the dwelling-house of Robert Tunbridge, with intent to steal, and did steal therein, 2 shoes, value 8s., the goods of the said Robert Tunbridge.

ROBERT TUNBRIDGE . I am a shoe-maker, and live in Crown-row, Mile End-road, in the parish of St. Dunstan, Stepney, On Saturday night, the 12th of March, at half-past eight o'clock, I was sitting at work in my shop—the window was broken—I heard it broken—it was suddenly done—I observed a head in the broken pane of glass—I am quite certain the prisoner Smith is the person whose head came thought the pane—it was not large enough in admit the whole of his head through, but there was not a bit of glass as large as a shillings left in the square—my wife ran to the door first—I at first thought it was a person intoxicated, but Smith did not move, because he was well aware that we could not get out, for my wife first ran to the door, and found it fast—I went myself, and found it was fastened from the outside—I immediately pulled away my wife, and with the assistance of my wife and daughter, forced the door open—I found it was tied with a cord, but I got my hand in, and three nails of the latch broke by my forcing it—the rest were drawn—I then got out, and saw three lads running—had it been daylight—I could have seen them further, but from the lamp of a butcher's shop I could see them running—a rope was tied on the latch, and then on the scraper of the door—when I got out, I found the three persons running—I had been very ill for several days, and for two days I was in bed, and I was sitting at work with my nightcap on—I had not been out of bed above three hours, and I dare say they thought I could not run—I did not know either of the prisoners before—I did not see Smith's face through the glass, it was his head&—; when I got round the counter, I heard two shoes drawn out of the window—I missed them from the window—there were three lads running together—I was confident it was not a boy who stood under the window, by the bulk of him, and his jacket, he had a cap on, and of the three lads Smith was the most bulky—I am confident he is the person I saw through the glass—I only saw the top of his bead—I did not see either of them stopped—I called, "Stop thief"—I have no particular reason for saying Smith is the person whose head I saw through the window, only by his dress—I saw him brought in custody the same night, and he appeared to be dressed the same as the person whose head was through the window.

ELISHA SPENCER . I am a labourer, and live in Crown-court, Bowcommon-lane, Mile-end. I found some shoes in a gateway, near Mr. Tunbridge's shop, about a quarter-past seven o'clock on Sunday morning, the 13th of March—they were two odd shoes—they were afterwards claimed by the prosecutor's wife—the gateway is about two rods from the prosecutor's door, towards town.

Prisoner Smith. I was given to understand in the prison that the shoes were not found in the gateway, but a young woman found them, and that man took them from her. Witness. It is false—when I came up the gateway, there was a little girl—I said, "My little girl, what are you looking at?"—she said, "why, here is a pair of shoes laying here—my brother went out last night to buy a pair"—I said, "if he has lost a pair, send him to me, he knows where I live"—directly I got home, the prosecutor's wife came and claimed them—I picked them up at the gateway in Crown-court.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Then you did not find them? A. I picked them up—there was a little girl standing there—she said she

thought they belonged to her brother—I knew the girl, she was a neighbour—I went to her father and brother, and they said they were not theirs; and then Mrs. Tunbridge came and claimed them.

ALFRED DANGERFIELD . I live with my father, at No. 22, Crown-row, near Mr. Tunbridge's shop. About half-past six o'clock on Saturday, the 12th of March, I saw all the three prisoners standing together, next door to the shop of Mr. Tunbridge—they walked about till about half-past eight, all three together—they passed backwards and forwards, and passed me several times—they went as far as Bencroft's three or four times—they were walking up and down for about two hours—Thomas Hughes was with me—we watched them together—I called the attention of a policeman to them, and they crossed over directly—I told the policeman, and he took no notice of them, and they came on to Mr. Tunbridge's side again—I heard a cry of "stop thief," and they all ran from Mr. Tunbridge's window up to Crown-place, and went down Crown-place—Smith had a little stick with him, which he threw away—I went as far as White-house-lane after them, and Stone and Higgins came back about halfway—that was about half-past eight o'clock—Stone was secured and put into Mr. Tunbridge's house—at the time I heard the alarm given, there was nobody but the prisoners running in a direction from Mr. Tunbridge's shop.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you watching them from your own house? A. Yes—I was first on the look out a little after six o'clock—I was standing at the door—I could command a view of Mr. Tunbridge's shop from where I stood—my attention was directed to the shop—my mother called me in to speak to me, and I saw the three prisoners run by, and I directly ran after them—I was at the door at the time this happened—my mother came to the door to speak to me—I turned my head round and did not see the window broken. but I saw the prisoners run by—there were not many persons walking in the street—there were some—I am quite certain Higgins was with them in the first instance—Stone and Higgins came back, and Smith afterwards came back, with a pipe of tobacco, and met Higgins on the other side of the way—Hughes went and watched them, and we gave them into custody.

BENJAMIN SAMBELL . I am a policeman. I live in Hannibal-row, Mile-end-road. On Saturday, the 12th of March I was going to Mr. Tunbridge's shop in consequence of information I had received, and saw Smith and Higgins on the other side of the way, abut 200 or 300 yards from the shop—they were pointed out by Dangerfield and Hughes—I took them into custody, and took them to Mr. Tunbridge's shop, and there found Stone—I asked them about it—they denied knowing any thing respecting it at all—Smith in particular, denied ever having seen Stone previous to that time, to that moment—I produce the shoes.

Jury. Q. Did you see the prisoners in company together? A. yes; not previous to the robbery—it was not me that was called on to watch them—I was at the station-house, and we sent by the inspector to get information about the robbery.

THOMAS HUGHES . I am fifteen years old, and live with my father, at the corner of Wade's-place. On Saturday evening, the 12th of March, I went to Mr. Jones's shop, at the corner of Swedes's-place—I observed several lads lurking round about there—I went into the shop, and heard a noise while I was in the shop, as if somebody was taking the pieces out of the

broken pane of glass—it shook the whole frame—I and Jones's brother went to the door, and saw several lads running—I should think seven or eight—I saw the prisoners among them when I went up to Bencroft--place—I and Jones's brother asked them what they had been doing—they were all together then, the seven or eight—the prisoner Smith said, if we followed him, or said any thing to him, he would "crack our sculls"—Higgins and Stone were with them—Smith was urged on by two or three of the others—they said, "Hit him, "or "Crack his skull"—I went back to Jones's, and staid there about five minutes—then I was going towards Dangerfield's shop, and met the three prisoners by the Coach and Horses—I told Dangerfield what had happened—we crossed over the road and told Jones, and he went on the other side of the road and watched—the prisoner kept together for about two hours—the other boys were not with them at that time—I was in Jones's shop when I heard the noise like breaking a pane of glass—it was not at Tunbridge's—we watched the prisoners on the other side of the road, and saw them standing at the next house to Tunbridgs's which is a private house—they stand there for half an hour—we crossed over and passed them and the eldest prisoner, Smith, said, "We shall have a wet night to-night"—we passed them, and saw Higgins and Smith standing both together—Stone had something round his waist—I walked on to Dangerfield's, and stood there about five minutes, and then heard the alarm—there was nobody near Mr. Tunbridge's widow then, but the prisoners—Smith was the first that came away from Mr. Tunbridges's—I saw them all three run in a direction from Mr. Tun bridge's—they were not close to the window when the alarm was given, but very near us, which was about one hundred yards from it.

Q. If had door was fastened, and there was a delay in getting out, was there time for them to run from Mr. Tunbridge's to the distance you saw them? A. Yes—I heard the smash of the window, and then the prisoners ran by as—we heard somebody call "Stop thief," and we followed them—they ran down Crown-place—we ran down White Horse-lane to meet them—Higgins and Stone came back; and Stone said to me that he saw several boys standing by Bencroft's-place; and he said; "Did not you come up to them and accuse them of stealing something out of the window?"—I said, "Yes"—he said he knew me by the leather hat I had on—I told him, he would do for one—Higgins then walked away—I took Stone into the shop, and told Mr. Tunbridge I was certain he was one of those who had been lurking about—Smith came by with a short pipe in his mouth—I saw Higgins cross to the other side of the road—they both met together by the Jew's Hospital, and they walked back again till they met the policeman—I am sure of that—Smith had a thin stick in his hand when he was accused of breaking the window—I did not see it when he was taken—he was then just by the King Harry's Head.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you watching with Dangerfield? A. Yes—the three prisoners were not near me before I heard the last alarm at Mr. Tunbridges's—I could see them at Mr. Tunbridges's window—I swear that distinctly—we do not know the other boys—they were all younger than these—we not a policeman and told him, after what had happened at Jones's.

ROBERT TUN BRIDGE . re-examined. These are the shoes which were drawn though the window that night—I have the fellows to match them—they are worth 8s.,—they are both right shoes.

Smith's Defence. I do not know anything about the affair—at the time

the boy said he saw us coming by the place, I had been doing a job for 6d. down at Mile-end Road—that was the time he saw me, and my parents can answer for it—my parents are here to testify it.

(Eliza Smith, the wife of a gun-maker in Baker-street, Bedford-square; and—Vining, rent collector, Brunswick-terrace, Commercial-road; deposed to the prisoner Higgins's good character; and Mary Ingleby of Fort-street, Spitalfields, to that of Stone.)




Fifth Jury, before Mr. Serjeant Arabin.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-882
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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882. EDWARD FIFE was indicted for a robbery on James Toleman, on the 5th of April, at St. Mary, Newington, Surrey, putting him is fear, and talking from his person and against his will, 1 watch, value 6l.; 1 watch-chain, value 6l.; 3 seals, value 6l.; 1 watch-key, value 1l.; and 1 split ring. value 1l.; his goods.

JAMES TOLEMAN . I am a tailor, and carry on business at No, 11, Tabernaele-walk. Finsbury, Last Tuesday night, the 5th of April, between the hours of ten and eleven o'clock, I had been at Green which on business, and was going home—I was sober—I was going through Kent-street in the Borough, and two men came and pinioned me, one on each side—my two hands were kept down so that I could not help myself—I had a person named England in my company, who had walked all the way from Green wich with me—I never saw her before—my arms were pinioned by two men—there were three altogether; and while the others pinioned me, the third man, who was the prisoner, drew my watch from my pocket—I saw him do it, and saw him with it in his hand afterwards—I had not power to resist at the moment—it was taken by force—as soon as the two that held me let me go, I jumped forward, and seized the chain of my watch—the watch was then in the prisoner's hand—I attempted, as far as I could, to get possession of the watch—when I was holding the chain in my hand, the prisoner struck me on the chest—I seized him with my left hand—he struggled to extricate himself, and get the watch; and he and I both fell in the kennel, and there we rolled both in the mud, before I could get at liberty, and get the watch from him—in the mean time the female called the police; but in the first instance when the prisoner drew the watch from my pocket. I cried out that I was robbed—while we were down rolling in the kennel, he stuck, me, and I struck him to extricate myself—I got up, and kept hold of the chain, and got the watch from him—the policeman came up—I told him I was robbed, and gave him the watch—the prisoner never got away—he was never out of my sight—the other two men ran away—I could not swear to them—they kept back, I could not see their faces.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Did you say the policeman saw you take the watch from his hand? A. No—I had got it out of his hand when the policeman came up—I had been to Green wich Fair on business, to persons who owed me money, and I wished to get it—I met Miss England that night, as I was coming out of the fair—I spoke to her, and she to me—I was not particularly struck with her appearance—not any thing criminal—I am a widower—she is rather an elderly lady—I could see that very well—I accommodated her up to town—I said I would see her safe to town—I had

been drinking, but I was quite sober—I had been drinking at the place where I went on business, which was at a booth that a man kept who owed me money—I and another gentleman had two glasses of gin-and-water—we had three glasses together—I then went to Mr. Roleby, of the Crown and Anchor—he owed me some money—I had one glass of gin-and-water in his booth—I did not drink another glass of gin-and-water all the evening—I had about half a glass of plain gin after that—that was all I took in Green wich—I had part of half a pint of beer on the road with England.—I stopped again at the king's Arms, opposite the Bricklayers Arms—I had part of a glass of gin there, and I put it down, and said, "I will drink no more, for I know it will make me ill if I do—I found I had taken sufficient to do me good—I did not see whether Miss England finished the remainder—I was sober—I do not know a public-house called the Castle—I do not know the houses that I called at.

Q. Did it happen that you met any musical relative of Miss England's in a public-house? A. No—I do not recollect that there was music in any public-house—there was noise enough—I did not go to any public-house with Miss England after this robbery—she went with us to the station-house; and she had followed me on the road some distance, and said she was very sorry she had had so much trouble, and she should be very glad if I could accommodate her with some trifle—I gave her a few half-pence, but did not go to any public-house.

COURT. Q. You swear you were perfectly sober? A. Yes; I got to Greenwich a little before four o'clock—I was able to struggle with the person who took the watch.

HANNAH ENGLAND . I live at No, 15, Brunswick-street, Blackfriars I am an umbrella and persol coverer—I was at Green wich on the 5th of April—I met Mr. Toleman a little after nine o'clock—he was looking for the coach as well as I—they wanted to overcharge us, and that was the reason we walked home together—I was with him when he came to Kent-street—he had hold of my left arm—I was pulled away by three men, and forcibly thrown back into the road—they were all busting round him, and I immediately screamed out—the prisoner had the watch in his hand—Mr. Toleman said, "You villain, you have robbed me"—Mr. Toleman and the prisoner were on the ground—there were two men in dark great coats who held his arms, and they ran away—Mr. Toleman held the prisoner—the prisoner was in the middle, and he took the watch—we never lost sight of him—I called "Police," and the policeman came up.

Cross-examined. Q. You did not know Mr. Toleman before that night? A. No—I intended to go by the coach, but I walked along the road with him—we were on the pathway on the right-hand sight—we had half-a-pint of beer and a drop of gin, my shoes being very thin—we had the gin and beer in the first public-house,—I think they call it the Half-way house—it was on the right-hand side—Mr. Toleman had some porter—we went into another public-house, a mile or a mile and a-half further up, and we had some plain gin—I think a quarter—we both had share of it—we did not go into any other public-house, till we came to the house opposite the Bricklayer's Arms—we took plain gin there. but Mr. Toleman left part of it—I took plain gin in two public-houses—I met my brother at the second public-houses, I think—Mr. Toleman was with me—I knew my brother's voice—he was singing—I merely said, "William, you had better go home, what do you do there?"—Mr. Toleman heard me speak—he said, "Don't stop here, come on"—I told Mr. Toleman

that the person singing was my brother—Mr. Toleman saw him singing—I did not stop five minutes—we were drinking gin at the bar while my brother was singing in the parlour, and I said, "Mr. Toleman, that is my brother that is singing"—I called him Mr. Toleman—he had tole me his name, and said as I was a decent woman he would see me to town.

Q. How often have you been at Union-hall? A. Never on any occasion that I am ashamed to mention—only once—it was a little jealousy—that is a great while ago—I have only been there twice—I have been with friends on a little trouble—I Was once taken up on suspicion—I never visited any body in gaol.

Q. Had you a brother of the name of George? A. Yes—I went to gaol to see him, that is 21 years ago—I was there the day he got out of gaol, but I had nothing to do with it—I only brought him sometimes to eat, and a pint of porter—I have not heard of him for a great many years.

COURT. Q. Where this brother was singing, you just looked into the room and came away? A. Yes—I told him to go home—I had nothing whatever to do with my brother's getting out of gaol, on my honour and soul—I took him some meat and bread.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Did the prosecutor give you any money at all? A. No, Sir—he paid for the liquor—he gave me no money—I never received a halfpenny from him—he did not give me a few halfpence, when I was quitting him—I did not ask him for some money for my trouble—he did not give me a few halfpence.

JOHN PLAZE (police-constable M 145.) I was on duty in Kent-street, and heard the loud screams of a woman calling "Police"—I went up, and saw the prisoner at the bar and the prosecutor struggling—I saw them fall—they were up again before I got to them—I saw several blows pass—the moment I came up, the prosecutor said, "Take this man into custody, he has robbed me of my watch"—the prosecutor gave me the watch.

JAMES TOLEMAN . This is my watch.

Prisoner's Defence. I am not guilty—I was in company with no one. (William Webber, a fellmonger, of Effingham-street; Susan Allen, No. 1, Pitt-street; Charles Mills, a fellmonger, of St. John, Southwark; and Mrs. Green, of Heathan-place, Kent-road, gave the prisoner a good character.)

GUILTY— DEATH . Aged 22.


OLD COURT.—Monday, April, 4th.

First, Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-883
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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883. MARIA RUSHWORTH was indicted for stealing, on the 18th of March, 1 chamber-pot, value 9d.; and 1 earthenware pan, value 3d.; the goods of William Baker; and that she had been before convicted of felony.

MARIA BAKER . I am the wife of William Baker, and live in New-way, Westminster. On the 18th of March, about two o'clock, I saw the prisoner coming out of the privy in our yard, with these things in her possession—I went out at the back door, and caught hold of her—I said, "What are you going to do with these things? they are mine?—she said,

a lodger in my house named Lexman had a pawnbroker's ticket oft her's and she was determined to have something for it—I have a lodger of that name—I gave her in charge of a policeman—she knew they were not Lexam's things—the prisoner did not know me.

RICHARD HAYES I am a policeman I took the prisoner in charge.

JOHN EDWARDS I am a policeman I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction, which I got from the Clerk of the Peace for Westminster (read)—the prisoner is the woman who was convicted.

Prisoner Defence I went to her lodger, as she had duplicate of mine—she laid hold of me coming down stairs I went into this woman's yard—she laid hold of me, pulled me out of the place, and struck me two or three item—the policeman and he went into the yard to fetch the things—I did not take them and had no intention of taking them—I had not them at all.

MRS. BAKER re-examined She was about half way across the yard when I took her, but not off the premises—when I first saw her, I was at the window—she saw me, and went back to replace them; but I caught her with them in her hand.

GUILTY Aged 38—Recommended to mercy,— Confined Three Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-884
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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884. WILLIAM MORGAN was indicted for stealing on the 19th of March, 1 handkerchief value 2s. 6d. the goods of Henry Peter James McDonald form his person.

HENRY PETER JAMES M'DONALD On the 19th of March about six of seven o'clock evening I was in the passage leading form the old Post-office into Lombard-street—I felt a twitch at my pocket—I put my hand to my pocket and found my handkerchief was gone—I turned round and Grayson gave me information—I seized the prisoner and took my handkerchief from under his jacket—this is it.

Prisoner I was walking up Lombard-street along wit my father—the prosecutor said you picked pocket witness There was nobody old enough to be his father with him.

WILLIAM BAYLEY GRAYSON . On the night in question I was standing at the corner of Seething-lane—I saw the prisoner in conversation with two others in king Willlam-street—I saw something that around my suspicion, and watched them—I saw them walking behind the prosecutor—I saw the prisoner move and tuck something under his arm—I asked the prosecutor if he had lost any thing—he said, yes—I said, "This lad had go it and he took the handkerchief from under his arm—I had seen them try tow or three pockets.

Prisoner Defence I was holding a horse—the gentleman gave me 2d.—I was coming away ay and the gentleman swore I had picked his picked—three boys before me chucked down the handkerchief and I picked it up—a woman coming by said it was a shame to take me for nothing all.

MR. GRAYSON I saw no horse near.

GUILTY Aged 15— Transported for seven years.

Before Mr. Sergeant Arabin.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-885
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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885. GEORGE JOHNSON and JOHN BIRD were indicted for stealing on the 14th of March 1 handkerchief value 5s. the god sof Henry Fletcher form his person.

HENRY FLETCHER I am a bookseller and live in

Cornhill. On the 14th of march between nine and ten o'clock in the evening I was in Cornhill very near my own residence wallking home alone—I felt a pull at my pocket—I immediately turned round and seized both the prisoners—Johnson was withdrawing his hand from my pocket at the tie—they were not close to me—I have never recovered my handkerchief—I remember taking it out at the Mansion-house not a minute before, and I put it in the pocket where I felt the tug—it was a red silk handkerchief, with a yellow border—I could only hold Johnson—I gave him in to custody—Bird was stopped and taken by Collis almost immediately—I belive him to he the same person for in the struggle to get away he left part of his shirt in my had and when he was taken par of his shirt hir was found deficient and the piece corresponded.

Johnson. Q. Did you secure me directly you saw my hand in your pocket? A. Yes immediately.

JOSEPH COLLIS I am a glass cutter and live in Clerkenwell green. I first saw the prisoner in King William-street with a third Preston—I watched them for about twenty minutes attempting several gentlemen's pockets lifting them up and putting hands in, as sit seemed to em—this induced me to watch—I saw prosecutor in Cornhill—Johnson had hold of Mr. Fletcher pocket—I saw him take something form t(I cannot swear it was handkerchief and give to third one whom I pursued, but he got away a—I then heard a cry of "Stop thief "and Bird was running away—I caught hold of him—I am positive he is the one I never lost sight of him—Mr. Fletcher had part of his shirt in his hand.

Johnson. Q. What did you do when you saw me take the handkerchief A. I crossed over and saw Mr. Fletcher secure you—I believe I did not hold you till the gentlemen came up and hallooed out "Here is one of them "—after the gentleman took you and Bird, I ran after the other, who escaped—and when Bird ran away I ran after him.

Bird Q. Was it not the watchman who caught hold of me and you said "It is no use your getting away for I am behind ehin you?"—A. No, I caught hold or you myself.

Bird. Q. You get your living by false swearing, and other things, with pickpockets—were you not at Guildhall the other day, for robbing your father? A. I was not, I was at Guildhall for being intoxicated, and was discharged—I was not charged with robbing my father of a sovereign.

Johnson's defence I was passing along caught hold of me—I was a great way behind Mr. Cooks came up and caught hold of me and said I was one of them—the persecutor came an caught hold me—Bird got away—collins is well known to get his living lven by it he is a galas blower—all the prisoner know him well—he associates with thieves—the watchman told the Alderman he known him to associate with thieves.

JOSEPH COLLIS re-examined, I have given evidence here about four 'time before incase felony—I am not in the police—it is not fancy of mine to watch the street—I ha been in to Bermondsey-street to Mrs. Easton's glass shop—I cut glasses sell them to cabinet maker and glass-shops.



Confined Six Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-886
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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886. JOHN ALING was indicted for stealing the 18th of March, 1 handkerchief value 3s. the goods of William Byers form his person.

WILLIAM BYERS I live with William Brunskill in paternoster-row. I was in Sun street Bishopsgate street a about half past eight o'clock, on

Friday night the 8th of March—I was coming home and had felt my handkerchief within a minute of the time of minute—I tune round—little boy was le behind—I said, "Halloo there"—but seeing the prisoner run off I pursued him and cried, "Stop thief"—he was caught by the watchman, in an archway leading out of Sun-street—the watchman brought him out—I demanded my handkerchief and it was given to me—this is it had my initials on it.

ROBERT NEVILL I am a watchman of Bishopsgate ward. I heard a cry of"Stop-thief "—I saw several persons running, the prisoner was running—I pursued him, and caught him under a gateway—the prosecutor came up—the prisoner delivered the handkerchief into his hands—I took him to the watchhouse.

DANIEL PAMPLET I am a patrol. I searched the prisoner, and found these tow other handkerchiefs in his hat.

Prisoner Defence I am coming down Sun-street, and saw the handkerchief lying on the ground—I picked it up and walked across the road with it—the gentleman came to me and asked for it—I gave it him.

GUILTY Aged 17— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-887
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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887. JAMES NEWSON was indicted for stealing on the 30th of March 1 handkerchief value 3s. the goods of john Marger Kings from his person.

THOMAS WOODROFF (City police constable No. 51). I was in the Poultry last Wednesday evening about eight o'clock out of uniform—I saw the prisoner and another boy—I followed them down from Cheapside—they parted—the prisoner followed Mr. King and took this handkerchief from his pocket—I took him with it—I took him to the Compter and found another handkerchief on his neck—I asked where he tot it—he said he had brought it form France—I asked him if it was marked he said "No"but it is marked.

JOHN MARGER KING I am a clerk to Messes De Vaux and Co. This is my handkerchief—I did not feel it taken but the officer caught me by arm and ade if it was mine aid it was—I felt no tug—the prisoner was a yard or tow form me when the officer ha him—I am sure this is my handkerchief.

Prisoner. I was five or six yards away from the gentleman when the officer took me—I know nothing about the handkerchief.

GUILTY . Aged 18.— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-888
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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888. SAMUEL SINGER was indicated for an indecent assault.


Before Mr. Recorder.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-889
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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889. BENJAMIN CHALLISS was indicted for stealing, on the 21st of March. 1 handkerchief, value 2s.; and 1 glove, value 6d.; the goods of George Shoolbridge, from his person.

GEORGE SHOOLBRIDGE . I live at No. 2, Poultry. On the 21st of March, I was in Coleman-street, between seven and eight o'clock in the evening, and finding the prisoner putting his hand in my coat pocket, I turned round instantly—his hand was in my pocket—there was another man with him—I seized the prisoner, and he wrenched away from me—I followed him, crying, "Stop thief," on towards Moorfields—he was taken

in London wall—I afterwards went with the prisoner to the watch-house—I saw him searched a don of my gloves was form upon him—that glove was in the pocket where his hand was—he was glove in my pocket)—I lost my handkerchief also—it was silk of buff colour.

Prisoner I was not near that gentleman a tall—I picked the glove up in Coleman-street.

JOSEPH NICHOLLS I was coming of London wall into Coleman-street, I heard a cry of "Stop thief," and stopped the prisoner—when I took hold of him, he threw something from him, and some person picked up a handkerchief—a number of person came up and person then picked it up said d"Her is handkerchief—on my turning to look at him, the prisoner made his escape from me—about two minutes afterward I went to watchhouse—I did not see the glove found.

Prisoner he never had hold of me at all Witness Yes I did—you asked what you ha dot—I said I did not know—I saw you runing and took you.

THOMAS PRINCE live in Bell-alley an an am officer of Broad-street I searched prisoner in the watch house—this go was found in his breeches pocket.

GUILTY Aged 18— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-890
VerdictNot Guilty > fault

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890. JOHN POOL was indicted ted for stealing on the 29th of February, 68lbs. of lead value 12s. the goods of Richard Morris fixed to a building—2nd COUNT stating it to belong to Eliza Grimwood.

There being no proof to whom the good belonged the prisoner was


OLD COURT Tuesday April 5, 1836.

Second Jury before Mr. Sergant Arabin.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-891
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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891. EDWIN GROBETY was indicted for embezzling the sum of 20l. which he had received on account of George Peachey, his master; 2nd COUNT for larceny.

MR. CLARKSON conducted the prosecution.

GEORGE PEACHEY . I am a music seller, and live in Bishopagate-street. The prisoner was in my service—on the 5th of February, I delivered him three Lewes Bank-notes, one of £10 and two of £5 payable at Esdailes—he was to get Bank notes of the same amount for them, and return to me with them—he went between two and five o'clock in the afternoon—he did not return—I went to Esdaile's to make inquiry, but did not find him till the 14th of February—on the 9th of February, I received this letter from him, which I know to be his handwriting—it came by the post, with the bill enclosed.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. how long had been in your service? A. About four months—I had very god character with him—I know he lived with respectable people before me—I belive the bill to be in his writing—he always bore a god character—(letter read.)

"Sir Deeply regretting what I have done and knowing no other way of repaying you, I have enclosed bill for the amount, which which is payable at the regular time 1 candidly confess to you that I left England this morning, for New York, previous to which I wrote this letter. I shall, notwithstanding, cause the money, to be left at Curtis's for you at the right

time. Consider Sir, I have no intention of injuring you but had I not left you when did I should have been arrested the next day for a bill over due which I was oblige to draw; but in this Sir, you will not be deceived hope proceedings will be stayed by this bill as I hope that if I deceive you in the payment I may suffer for it—that you will pardon the wrong I have done; I hope you will trusting on your known kindness, I am now on my way to New York, having procured a situation thereby which mean I will pay you—if possible I will pay before the ten months are expired, if not then, punctually at the time. please receipt this bill in a letter to my father and for god sake dear Sir do not expose me as by means of our money I Shall and have bee able to procure a responsible situation, and by which I shall be able to pay you. If you take proceedings through my being abroad it wok only cause you expense, and debar you for ever from your right. I consider, now Sir, that I have but borrowed the money, believing that your kindness, though shamefully abused by me, will be repaid by this bill, and hoping for the frogiveness of God and man I regret deeply the shameful conduct I have taken—Yours sincerely.

"Feb 7, 1836. "E. GROBETY."

"Being obliged to pas through Bristol whilst that I town wrote this letter being the last and first place I was in before I left England."

"Bill due, December 10th, 1836.

"London February 7th of 1836.—Ten months after date pay to my order twenty pounds value received—£20 00—Accepted payable at Curtis and Co bankers L London—E B GROBETY Mr. George Peachey music seller 734—Bis hopstgate within London."

CHARLES EVANS I am a clerk in Esdaile's house in Lombard-street, On the 5th of February change was given for a £10 and two £5 notes, of the Lewes bank one of the have now in my hand.

Cross-examined. Q. Whose writing is this on the note? A. One of our clerks—we do not know which of the clerks paid the notes.

MR. PEACHEY re-examined I know his note by the paper being pasted at the back.

Prisoner I plead GUILTY.

(Mr. Blundell, solicitor in the Temple, and John Matthews, of New Inn, Old Bailey, gave the prisoner a good character.)

GUILTY. Aged 12—Recommended to mercy by the Jury and Prosecutor. Judgement Respited.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-892
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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892. PRUDENCE HATTON was indicted of stealing on the 25th of February, 1 watch, value 5l.; 1 guard chain, value 15s.; 1 watch chain, value 3l. 10s. 1 seal, value 1l. 5s.; and 1 watch key value 1l. the goods of John Leary.

JOHN LEARY I am a copper plate printer I lived at the time in question in Furnival's-inn-court the prisoner was lodger in the same house—he husband is toy maker—on the 20th of February, about seven or eight o'clock I went out and go a little merry and went home between one and two o'clock—I missed my watch next day—I saw the prisoner in the course of the morning—when I lost my watch, I mentioned it in the house and the woman living over my head told me something—I saw the prisoner soon after she told me she had found my clothes on the stairs and took them into my room and put them on a chair—I don't know whether I had left left clothes on the stairs—I did not undress

on the stairs—my chain seal and key were fond at a pawnbroker—I have never found the watch.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS Q. Were you alone all the even ing? A. No—I had a female with me—only one—I am pretty sure re of that—I cannot he certain—I did not have half dozen to my knowledge—I got intoxicated—I went into mg room with my clothes on and went to bed—I do not belive my clothes were on the stair—I cannot tell whether I did undress on the stairs or not—I had a woman was with taken into custody and she was remanded for a week—she was my employer's niece, to the girl I had been to with—I had been in her company that night—she is rather loose in her habits, and I suspected her—I did not suspect the prisoner at all—I did not search her apartment at that time—I had a search made after part of the property was found, and could not find anything—I searched the you woman's apartment three or four times a as the policeman was not satisfied.

WILLIAM HARVEY WARRE . I am a pawnbroker, and live in Skinner-street. The prisoner offered part of the chain and the seals in pledge—I stopped them—I question he how he came possessed—she at first said they ere the property but on questioning further, she said she found them in the neighbourhood of Newgate-market—I said it was wrong to attempt to raise money on them—I took her address, and placed them in the hands of the police—in a week or ten days after, she again applied to me—I said they had been advertised, and referred her to the inspector—she gave her right name and address.

JOSEPH MARTIN I am an officer Mr. Warre sent for me—I had the things advertised—I took the prisoner into custody afterwards—she still persisted that he found them Newgate street.

Prisoner Defence I found it in Newgate street a and took it to the pawnbroker he asked where I got it—I told him I found it—he said, "I shall keep it and have it advertised—he neither asked my name nor address—he told me to look for the inspector of the police—I went out, but saw none—I had looked to see if there was any any advertisement, and saw none; and when callled about it he said was owned—I asked him who the owner was—he hold me to go the police station and I went there—they told me to stop till the inspector came in which Id did and in a few minutes the came tom house and said a man I my house had lost his watch—I did not know it—his clothes were nearly at the bottom of the stair and my girl went to pick them up—I said to the child, "Do not touch it, for I belive he has money—she said, "There is money in the pocket"—I said, "Do not touch it"—I took the clothes up-stairs, and put them in the room, and shut the door—I saw him about two o'clock—he said he had lost his watch—I said I had seen nothing of any watch—he said he was much obliged to me for paling his clothes in the room—he was no insensibly drunk when he came in he could not answer a question.


4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-893
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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893. WILLIAM ROBERTS was indicted for stealing on the 25th of February 20lbs. of lead value 4s. the goods of Samuel James Lloyd and others and fixed to a certain building.

ELIZABETH MASON I am married and live in Tokenhouse yard. The houses nos 1.2 and 3 are unoccupied and were so at the time in question—about three weeks ago—it might he the 25th of Febrauay I cannot be certain of the date)but about half past eight

o'clock in the morning, I saw the prisoner with a ladder, which he raised against the house No. 2, and removed two pieces of lead off the top of the door—he pulled them off and rolled them up, each separately—he pulled them down, got off the ladder. and carried the lead away. leaving the ladder there—I did not see him again that day—he came again on the 30th of March, raised his ladder to some pipe, and removed a leaden trunk and trough—he dragged two pieces of lead along, and got to the window, but the shutters were fast and he could not get in—he went and tried another window, but could not get in—he came down his ladder. and seeing me at my window. he put his ladder under the house and left it—I saw Mr. Lloyd and some others take him into custody, with the ladder on his shoulder, when he came to fetch it—he had watched me, but I hid myself and saw him return for the ladder.

Prisoner. Q. On what day was the lead stolen? A. On the 25th of February, I believe—I did say I could not swear to you—I said I was positive you were the man, but should not like to take an oath as I had never done so.

MARY M'GREGOR . I live at No. 29, Tokenhouse-yard, opposite No. 2. I saw the prisoner take the lead off the top of the door—he was on a ladder—I thought he was a workman—I should not like to swear to him, because I only saw his back, but I believe him to be the man.

WILLIAM FAIRCLOTH . I am a wine merchant, and live at No. 29. Token-house-yard, M'Gregor is my servant—I heard of this, and acquainted Mr. Lloyd on the 30th of March, as I saw a man up the ladder—he came with me, but the man was gone, having left the ladder under the house—Mr. Lloyd waited in my house some time. and then left—I was at the window, and saw the prisoner come and take the ladder—Mr. Lloyd had just got to my door, and he went and collared him—I had seen the prisoner raise a ladder to the house, and raise the window, and attempt to push the shutters open—he was taken into custody with the ladder on his shoulder.

SAMUEL JAMES LLOYD . I am a banker. These houses belong to the firm—they were unoccupied—out attention had been drawn to the lead having been taken, and I found it was ripped off—I know nothing of the prisoner—he had no authority to remove the lead—I took him into custody with the ladder on him.

Prisoner's Defence. I never took any lead in my live—I had been drinking that morning, and thought if I could get inside the house to lie down a little while it would sober me—it is very probable the witness may be mistaken in me in, looking through a window.

GUILTY . Aged 37— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-894
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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894. RICHARD RAMSDEN alias Rainsden , was indicted for stealing, on the 17th of March, 16lbs. of lard, value 6s., the goods of Henry Montray Jones, and another.

THOMAS GOGGIN , I work for Messrs. Jones and Brothers. This lard was taken from Fishmongers's-hall wharf, under the hall—on the 17th of March, I saw the prisoner coming out of the side door of the wharf, between three and four o'clock—he appeared to have a great bulk in his pocket—one of the men who look after the butter was in she road with me—I stopped the prisoner, and brought him down on the wharf, where he was searched, and two bladders of lard, weighing, 16lbs., taken out of his pocket.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Is Mr. Jones here? A. No—we

had some bacon to move that day—I did not go to the Swan public-house, where the prisoner was—I do not know that anybody went to him to cart away the hams—he had both the bladders in one pocket.

JAMES MAHONEY . I am foreman to Henry Montray Jones. and another, his partner, They are merchants—the prisoner is foreman to a master carman, who worked for us—he was working for that carman that day—I myself went and fetched him to know what he would go with the cart for, and we offered him a price—the lard was a place up-stairs, on the first floor, in a cask—he had no right to go up there at all—Goggin followed him out of the wharf, and brought him in as a prisoner—I took the lard from his pocket—I know he had nothing in his pocket when he first came on the wharf—I swear the bladders are master's property—a person had looked at them, and not cut them open in a tradesman—like manner—I am certain one of them is what a gentleman had that morning.

Cross-examined. Q. It made such a bulge, anybody would see it? A. Yes—there are many persons engaged on the wharf—he came out at the door that no strangers are allowed to come out a—we had no hams on the wharf; it was bacon—Goggin said his pocket looked as if he had a ham in it—the bacon was on the ground floor of the wharf—the prisoner had been frequently employed my us—he disagreed about the price of carting, and refused. but still he wanted it—he hung after it.

COURT. Q. The bladders were up-stairs, where he had no right to go? A. Yes.

JAMES TAIT KIRKWOOD . I am clerk to Jones and Co. I know the bladders to be their property—they were returned to the prisoner when I was fetched, and he shewed them to me.

Prisoner's Defence. One of the men overtook me and said, "You have got a ham with you"—I said, "I have not; I have two bladders of lard. which I bought at the Swan"—I asked him to go with me to find the man—he said, "No, you must come down the wharf"—I went with and produced the two bladders—I was not in the upper floor of the wharf at all, till I was ordered up there afterwards—master has worked two years for the prosecutor—I shewed the lard, and asked the policeman to go with me to the Swan; and I asked the landlord if I had not dined there that day—he said yes—the policeman asked him if I had made a purchase there—he said did not notice it—there was a man, at the Mansion-house to say I had paid 5s. for the two bladders of lard. but his evidence was not taken.

THOMAS GOGGIN . They are worth 8s.—we missed another bladder from the cask—nobody is allowed to go into out warehouse.

GUILTY .* Aged 46— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-895
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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895. RICHARD HODGE was indicted for stealing, on the 2nd of March, 2 spoons value 7s., the goods of Robert Fairland, his master.

MARY FAIRLAND , I am the wife of Robert Fairland, and live at Islington, the prisoner lived with twice as errand-boy; for about six months the first time—he came again on the 23rd of February, and I missed the spoons on the 24th, from the kitchen he had access to—these are them.

JAMES YOUNG . I am a silversmith and jeweller, and live in Bosoman-street. Clerkenwell, On the 2nd of March, between six and seven o'clock in the evening, a boy, named Davison, brought me one spoon to sell—I examined it, suspecting him—he said he had found it—it had been cut

by some sharp instrument, and then broken off—I told the boy to send his father, and I would buy it.

JOHN DAVISON . I live with my father, who is a shoemaker. The prisoner and I used to go to school together—I took a spoon to Mr. Young's—the prisoner gave it me, and said, "Will you go and sell this spoon for me?"—I asked where he got it—he said he picked it up in Red Lion-street, Clerkenwell—I asked why he did not sell it himself—he said. because he had sold one before—I took it to Young's and left it there.

WILLIAM EBBEN . I am a watch and clock maker, and live in High-street, Islington Two spoons were offered to me, one by the prisoner and the other by Davison—I will not he certain what I gave the prisoner for it, but he tells me 2s4d.—it was worth 2s. 6d—I have weighted it and I think I must have given him 2s. 6d.—I asked where he came from—I think he said No. 1.

WILLIAM BAKER ASHTON . I am a police-sergeant I heard of this, and at last found the spoons—in going to the station-house next morning I asked the prisoner if he knew Mrs. Fairland, Of No, 17, Chapel-street—he said he did not.

GUILTY. Aged 14—Recommended to mercy. Confined Fourteen Days.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-896
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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896. JOHN DOUST was indicted for stealing, on the 8th of March, 63 in plates, value 5s.; the goods of James Corfield.

JAMES COREFIELD . I am tin-plate worker, and live in Silver-street, Golden-square. the Prisoner was occasionally in my employ as errand-boy—I had a box on the premises—it was not locked—it contained 226 tin plates—on the 8th of March I missed 63—a man who worked for me was on the watch, and stopped the prisoner in the street with some in his pessession—he was brought back to me—I did not make him any promise or threat—he said those found on him were all he had taken away—they were twenty-two.

JAMES HAWKER . I was watching for the prisoner, and saw him in Silver-street—he was me, and ran away—I pursued and took him, and found the tin plates on him.

AMOS MARRITT . I am a policeman, Mr. Cornfield said he had lost a great many more plates, and I asked the prisoner, if he had taken any more—he said he had not, but in a few minutes said he had taken some, and taken them to Mr. Aldous's, of Great Berwick-street, to pawn, and he stopped them.

JAMES ALDOUS . On the evening of the 8th of March the prisoner came to pawn some tin plates—I asked whose property they were—he said Mr. Anderson's. who was waiting at the public-house for the money—I sent my man with him to the public-house—no such person was there—I said he must give a better account and while I went for an officer he ran away.

GUILTY . Aged 16— Confined Three Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-897
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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897. JOHN WILLIAMS was indicted for stealing, on the 7th of March, 1 handkerchief value 2s., the goods of James Redpath, from his person.

JAMES REDPATH . On Monday. the. 7th of March. I was in Fenchurch-street. at about half-pasty two o'clock I felt a tog at my pocket—I turned round and saw the Prisoner. who ran down Rood-lane—the witness Roberts,

stopped him, with my handkerchief—this is it, it has my name no it.

THOMAS ROBERTS . I am a labourer On the 17th of March I was coming out of the white Horse, Rood-lane—I heard a call of"Stop him. stop him"—I caught hold of the prisoner, who was running, and he threw the handkerchief down.

JOSEPH WHATMORE . I am an officer I took him into custody.

Prisoner's Defence. I saw two boys going, On, they threw the handkercheif down—I went to pick it up, and saw people running, who stopped me, and said I stole it.

GUILTY Aged 14— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-898
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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898. JOHN LLOYD was indicted for stealing, on the 23rd of March, 1 handkerchief, value 2s., the goods of Charles Morton Ricketts Chamberlain, from his person.

CHARLES MORTON RICKETTS CHAMBERLAIN . I was going along Fen-church-street, about five o'clock, on the 23rd of March, and felt a twitch at my pocket—I turned and saw the prisoner behind me—I caught him, and seeing no policeman, I took him to the station-house—this handkerchief was found on him—it is mine, and had been in my pocket.

WALTER BREWER . I am constable. I searched the prisoner, and took this handkerchief from his trowsers.

Prisoner I throw myself on the mercy of the Court.

GUILTY .* Aged 18.— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-899
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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899. ROBERT HICKS was indicted for stealing, on the 12th of March, 72 amulets, value 5s.; 24 studs. value 1s.; 1 pair-of ear-rings value 4s.; 18 pairs of spectacles, value 15s.; and 2 opera-glasses. value 9s.; the good of Alfred Davis and another, his masters.

ALFRED DAVIS . I live in Houndsditch The prisoner has been for about two years, a porter and packer, in the service of Myself and my brother—in consequence of suspicion, I went to his lodging, on the 19th of March, in Diamond-row Stepney. which was the address he gave me at first. as we enter the address of every servant in a book—he afterwards told me he lived in Pearl-place—but I went to Diamond-row—I found there 6 dozen of amulets, about 2 dozen of shirt-studs, which were our property. some duplicates of some ear-rings, and gold ring, which are here—they are my property—the spectacles and opera-glasses are not here—the pawnbroker who has them is absent.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Is any one else engaged in you in business besides your brother? A. No—I know this pair of ear-rings—here is No. 100 on the piece of card to which they are attached in my brother's writing, and M, which signigies 4s.—it is quite usual to sell these goods with the paper attached to them—I could not be certain that these have not been sold, but they were not sold to the prisoner—this ring is a sample. one, which one of out agents at Paris sent us—I never saw one similar to it—we had had in seven or eight months—our agent had them of the manufacture, who may make others like them—these studs are on paper, and it is usual to sell them in that manner—No, 154 is on the paper, but that would be on them if they has been sold—I know Cutler-street, but I do not know that such articles are sold there—Clothes are sold there—I have sold the prisoner trifling things—we have eight or nine persons

in our employ—I did not know that the prisoner death in these articles—if I had, I should not have kept him.

COURT. Q. Though you cannot positively swear to the ear-rings, do you believe them to be yours? A. Yes; and this ring too, which is a sample one—we do not book the articles we sell—I believe, from inquiries I have made, that these articles have not been sold—I am certain none of them were sold to the prisoner.

THOMAS WOLSTESHOLME . I am pawnbroker, and live in Houndsditch, I produce four ounces and a half of coral, these ear-rings, some plated rings, and this gold ring, which I took in of the Prisoner.—on the 8th of March. he pledged four ounces and a half of coral similar to this—on the 10th of March he brought this coral—I said to him. "I think I took in some coral of you before?"—he said, "Yes; what of that? I am a dealer it"—I said, "I suppose you buy and self?"—he said, "Yes"—on the 12th of March. he came and redeemed the first parcel of coral. and brought these rings and car-rings—I observed that some of the rings were of an inferior description, and rejected them; but he said, "As I came to redeem the coral, perhaps you will take these, "which I did—this coral is worth about 12s—it was pawned in the name Abraham.

WILLIAM MORRIS (police-constable K 129). I went to the prisoner's lodging—the boxes in which this property was, were opened by some keys which the prisoner told Mr. Davis he would find in a table drawer.

ROBERT PATTERSON I am a city police-constable I was on duty in Houndsditch. and was called to take the Prisoner. who was running away.

Prisoner's Defence. Some of these things I bought of his brother, and some of a young man who serves behind the counter—both coral. and every description of things that he sells, his warehouse, are sold in Cutler-street, and I have frequently purchased there at a reduced price, cheaper than I could at his warehouse—it is a regular market for things of this sort—his brother said before the magistrate that he had sold me some of the things he produced, and then he said he had not sold them—the jewellery boxes I never had access to, and I never but three times served behind the counter—the coral and jewellery I had nothing to do with.

ALFRED DAVIS re-examined. He had access to every part of our ware-house—he was acquainted with every description of goods we sold—they were all exposed—any servant had access to them.

(William Godsworthy, a rope maker, at Stepney; William Gosling, a furnishing-ironmonger; Charles Wells, a clerk, of west-harbour-street, Stepney; Philip Baker, a shoe-maker, Orchard-street, Stepney; and Emily Well's, the prisoner's landlady; gave him a good character.)

GUILTY. Aged 21—Recommended to mercy by the Jury . Confined Nine Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-900
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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900. THOMAS CHARLES LAMB was indicted for stealing, on the 10th of March, 5 razors, value 15s. the goods of John Verry.

MR. CRESSWELL conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN VERRY . I am a hair-dresser, and live in seething-lane. Tower-street, I know the prisoner and his father—on the 10th of March the prisoner came to my shop, accompanied by a young man—the prisoner called me out, and said, "I want three pairs of razors, two pairs to send to my grandfather, at Colchester; and one pair for my father"—I went and got eleven pairs, which I delivered to the Prisoner. with a bill of parcels, in his father's name—I sent a boy with the prisoner, and when he came back,

in consequence of what he said, I made enquiry. and found the razors in pawn.

Prisoner. I did not ask him for them in my father's name, Witness. I would not swear whether he did, but I said, "I will send a boy with you," and he said, "It is of no use, father won't be at home for half an hour."

MR. CRESWELL. Q. Did he say the razors were for himself, or his father? A. He said two pair for his grandfather, at Colchester, and one for his father—he said, "Father said he might as well give you a tura"—I said "Very well. I go and get them"—I should not have given the prisoner credit.

FRANCIS SOMES . I live in Brick-lane and am a pawnbroker. I took in these four razors of the prisoner on the 10th of March, in the name of John Williams—this is the duplicate which my young man gave him.

SEARLE WHITLOW . I am assistant to a pawnbroker, in Hereford-place, Commercial-road. The prisoner pawned two razors and two cases with me on the 10th of March—this is the duplicate I gave him.

JAMES MARTIN (city police-constable No. 94) The prisoner was given into my custody—I searched him and found on him the duplicates which the pawnbrokers have identified.

JOHN VERRY . These are part of the razors he had of me.

Prisoner. I went for the razors, but deny having asked for them in my father's name.

ARTHUR LAMB . I am the prisoner's father—I am a smith and bellhanger, and live at No. 19. Houndsditch. I did not send my son to Mr. Verry for any razors on the 10th of March—I had not seen him for a fortnight before—he is an apprentice to Mr. Clive, a printer. on Bread-street-hill.

GUILTY . Aged 20— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-901
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment; Corporal > whipping

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901. JAMES DALEY was indicted for stealing, on the 25th of March, 1 handkerchief, value 4s., the goods of Simon Jones, from his person.

SIMON JONES . I live in the Poultry On the 25th of March I was going from Smithfield down Holborn-hill—I had a handkerchief in my pocket—I received information from the officer—I examined my pocket, and my handkerchief was gone—the officer showed it to me—this is it.

CHARLES CHAMBERS (City police-constable No. 42.) At half-past two o'clock I was on duty at the corner of Hosier-lane—I saw the prisoner and two other boys following the prosecutor; and just as they got to the corner of Hosier-lane. the prisoner took this handkerchief out of the gentleman's pocket. and put it into his side browsers—pocket—I took him with it.

Prisoner. I saw two boys dropt it, I took it up.

Witness. I am sure he took it from the pocket—I was not three yards from him.

GUILTY . Aged 15— Confined Three Months. and Whipped.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-902
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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902. MARY WILSON and HARRIET LITTLE were indicted for stealing. on the 9th of March. 2 pairs of shoes, value 5s., the goods of Edmund Lloyd.

MARY LLOYD . I am the wife of Edmund Lloyd, we keep a shop in Houndsditch. On the 9th of March the two prisoners. came, and Little asked for a pair of Double-soled cloth-boots—I reached them several pairs. none of then suited and they talked about giving my husband an order to

make them a pair—while I was getting some down, I looked round and saw Wilson with a pair of shoes, putting them under her shawl—I said, "You have not come to buy you have come to steal—she said she was looking at them—I then said to Little, "I hope you have not come to steal she said, "No indeed, I have not"—I lifted up her shawl, and took a pair of shoes from her—I sent for an officer, who took them.

Little's Defence Wilson gave me the shoes—I did not know they went stolen—I did not deny having them.

Wilson's Defence She did know they were stolen.



Confined Three Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-903
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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903. CHARLES LUCAS was indicted for stealing, on the 9th of march, 1 handkerchief value 3s., the goods of George Marshall, from his person.

GEORGE MARSHALL . I live at Peckham Rye. On the 9th of March I was near St. Mary, Woolnooth—passing Messrs. Payne and Smith's the bankers, I felt a twitch at my pocket, and trued and saw the prisoner in the act of doubling up a handkerchief and putting it into his side pocket—I felt, and my handkerchief was gone—I ran after the prisoner—he threw the handkerchief over the hoarding of Payne and Smith's—I overtook him in Swithin-lane—I brought him back, and gave him in charge at the Mansion house—a person picked up this handkerchief and gave it me.

Prisoner I did not offer move—I picked up the handkerchief at his feet, and he took me directly.

EDWIN BLUNDELL (City police-constable No. 2.) I took the prisoner when he was brought to the Mansion-house—the prosecutor and the prisoner in one hand, and the handkerchief in the other.

GUILTY .* Aged 19— Transported for Seven Years.

OLD COURT, Wednesday, April, 13th

Third Jury, before Mr. Sergeant Arabin.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-904
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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904. ELIZA SMITH was indicted for stealing, on the 1st of March, at St. George's Hanover-square, 1 £10 Bank-note and other goods the property of Charles Topliss, in the dwelling of Crispnanno Burrows.

CHARLES TORLISS . I am out of business at present. I have been is the tobacco business. On the 1st of March I was residing in Hindon-street, Vauxhall-road, at the house of Crispnanno Burrows, in the parish of St. George, Hanover-square—I have resided there about two years—I occupied the first floor—Mr. Burrows and his family live there—he is the landlord—on the 1st of March 1 fell in with the prisoner—I had never seen her before—I had some conversation with her, which ended in her going home and sleeping with me—I got home about half-past two o'clock in the morning—I had a key which I let myself in with, and we went to bed together—I awoke about half-past eight o'clock in the morning, and the prisoner was gone without giving me any notice—she had undressed herself, and gone to bed in the usual way—I looked under my pillow, and missed my watch—I was sober when I went to bed—I had been spending the evening with some friends in Grosvenor-place—I am a married man—my wife was out of town with some friends—I also missed four rings and a pin, and a 10 note—the rings and pin were taken out of

a looking-glass drawer on the table—I missed some silver from my pocket, and a £10 note also out of the purse in my pocket—I missed up wards of 24l. in value—I immediately dressed myself went to the police-station, and gave information—I heard nothing more of it till the 9th of March, when I was at a friends's house at Pimlico, and an officer brought the prisoner to me, and I could swear to the and do so now positively—we proceeded to the station-house, and there she was searched—after that she wished to speak to me in private, which the inspector allowed her to do—I went, in and she asked me if I meant to say she was the person that robbed me—I said, I meant to swear so—she said, "Well, what are you going to do?"—I said, "I want my property back, and my property I will have"—she then said, if she was allowed to go with me, she would take me to where part of my property was—I consented to that—we went to Knightsbridge, to a public-house—she inquired for a person there who was gone, and the policeman accompained her over to Knightsbridge-barracks, and returned with her and a ring—we then went down to Wellington-barracks, where she told me there was solider who had another ring in his possession—the offer went to the solider, and returned and said, in her presence, that the solider said he knew nothing about it—we went from there to her lodging; and during that time the policemen said he though the man had not been thoroughly searched—on the way to her lodging, she told me my watch was pawned at a pawnbroker's in York-street, Westminster, and that one of my rings was pawned at another pawnbroker's in Tothill-street—her lodging was searched but nothing found—I them went with her to the station-house—I have never found my £10 note—it was a note of the Bank of England—she told me an had got tipsy, and changed it over the water, and got robbed of the greater part of it.

---- JONES. I am a pawnbroker, and live in Tothill-street, Westminster. I produce a ring pawned on the 8th of March—the prisoner was present at the pledging of it—a woman accompanied her—the other person gave it to me.

FREDERICK NORMAN . I am a pawnbroker, and live with William Harding, in York-street, Westminster. I have a watch, pawned on the 2nd of March by the prisoner.

THOMAS WEBSTER JONES . I am a policeman. I had information on the 1st of March, at the station-home, that the watch was missed—the prosecutors described the prisoner to me—I searched for her until the 9th, when I found her in Kinghtsbridge—I took her to the prosecutor, who said he had not the least doubt about her—I have heard what he has said respecting what passed—it is all correct—I have one ring which was found on a Life Guardsman, who was in company with her at the time I took her—I did not get it from him until night, but he was with her when I took her—I did not take him—he produced the ring to me at the barracks, and was detained in the barracks till he went before the magistrate, who discharged him—I have a duplicate which was given to me by another Life Guardsman—the prisoner sand she had given a woman a ring, and the woman said in the prisoner presence, she had given it to private soldier.

(Property produced and sworn to.)

GUILTY . Aged 25— Transported for Life.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-905
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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905. JAMES DAVID WHITE . was indicted for that he on the 14th of July, at St. Marylebone, feloniously did forge a certain order for the payment of money, the tenour of which is as follows, that is to say, "No. 29, Cornhill, London, July 14, 1835. Messrs. Currie and Co., pay stamp duty or beater, 212l"—"William Osbaldeston, "with intend to defraud Isaac Currie and others.—2nd COUNT. for feloniously offering, disposing of, and putting off the same, well knowing it to be forged with like intent—14 other COUNT, varying the manner of laying the charge, to which he pleaded.

GUILTY . Aged 21— Transported for Life.

William Osbaldeston, and John Sulley, bootmaker, Fenchurch-street. deposed to the prisoner previous good character.

Before Mr. Justice Patteson

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-906
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation
SentenceMiscellaneous > fine

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906. ROBERT SALMON was indicted for feloniously killing and slaying John M'Kenzie; he was charged with the like offence on the Coroner's inquestion.

MESSRS. CLARKSON and BODKIN conducted the prosecution.

ANN M'KENZIE . I am the window of John M' Kenzie upon whom as Inquest was held before Mr. Baker, the Corner, in February—he was 32 yards of age at the time of his death—he enjoyed goods health, and had a good constitution—I never heard him complain in my before this—a Miss Lane was doing needle work at my house at the latter end of December last, and she also sold Morison's pills—she told me she vended pills—my has hand spoke very much against them indeed, and she fetched a quantity of books—he first began to take the pills about the latter end of December—he had no complaint then—he said he would take them as an opening medicine—he did not exceed four—he expressed himself satisfied with them—he said they made him light—about the middle of January he was attacked with a rheumatic pain in his knee—on the 13th of December, the prisoner (Mr. Salmon) called at my house—I asked him what he wanted—I did not know—he said he wanted Captain M'Kenize—I said he was gone into the City—my husband was caption of a merchant vessel—the prisoner said he had come from Miss Lane—I asked him what he did—)I did not know what he meant he gave me a card—"Mr. Salmon, 6, Farringdon-street"—he asked me what was the matter with my husband—I told him there was nothing that I knew of—my husband was as stout hearty and able man as was ever seen in a day's walk—the prisoner called again the day following, or the day after—my husband was then in the back parlour sitting writing a letter to go to the West Indies—I desired Mr. Salmon to walk in to him—the folding door was half open—I was near enough to hear what passed—he told him he was not to take the No. 2s. without taking the No. 1s.—he said, "I have heard you were very much prejudiced against them at first, they cure all diseases, and do a great deal of good"—my husband said he had been up and bought a box, at what is called the College of Health an 11s. packet, to take out with him to the West Indies—nothing else passed between them, and the prisoner went away in two or three minutes—he did not stop above ten minutes—I saw no more of him, till my husband had complained of pain in his knee—that was about the middle of January—he called, I do not remember the day of the month, but I asked him who sent him—he said Miss Lane had told him my husband had a pin in his knee—my little girl had seen Miss Lane—he did not see my husband then, as he was gone into the City—I told him so, and that Miss. Lane ought not to take on herself to gave him the trouble to come, as we did not want him—my husband felt the pain increase very much in his legs two or three days after this and he

said, "You had better, my dear, send for that gentleman, Mr. Salmon"—in consequence of that, he was sent for—Miss Lane sent for him, or went herself, by my husband's desire—he came on Wednesday, the 20th of January, and saw husband—my husband said he would keep his bed and nurse his knee—he did not appear labouring under any complaint, except the pain in the knee—he was down stairs soon after Mr. Salmon had been—he did not complain of any affection of the stomach at the time—he was in bed when Mr. Salomon called—the prisoner desired me to give him twenty of Morison's pills from the 11s. packet, which we had in the house—they were all No. 2s.—he desired me to get No.1 from Miss Lane—he was to take twenty of No. 1 that night, and twenty of No.2 in the morning to drive off the twenty of No.—1 gave my husband ten that night of No. 1 and ten of No. 2 in the morning—I gave him half the quantity ordered—Mr. Salmon used to call in the forenoon, I cannot say the hour—he called in the early part of the next day, and saw my husband—he saw him every day—he asked me if I had given him the number I said "Yes"—he told me to increase five every dose—he said one dose was to be taken at night and one in he morning—I did not tell him I had given my husband ten instead of twenty—he continued to attend every day, except the Sabbath, till Mr. Cumming came—I went on administering these pills during the whole of that time, by his orders—I never gave him what he told me—I always gave him a great deal less—Mr. Salmon told me he doubted me very much, that I was not giving the number sufficient, and he said, "Are you sure that you are doing it?"

Q. Before the Wednesday that Mr. Cumming came, what was largest number of pills you ever gave your husband at one time, or saw him take? A. I had given him fifteen and twenty at a time—I did not always give him them at night—sometimes I gave him none at all at night—I always gave them in the morning—they produced a very violent effect on my husband—he vomited up, and they also affected him as a strong purgative, very much indeed—on the Sabbath following the Wednesday when Mr. Salmon called, my husband complained of being very much irritated in his stomach—that was the Sabbath before the Wednesday that Mr. Cumming came, and the fifth day after he had taken the pills, and of Mr. Salmon's attendance—he complained of being very much irrigated in his inside—he said he was afarid there was something worse than his knee—I communicated to Mr. Salmon the complaints and pains my husband mentioned as soon as I saw him—he was latter than usual on the Monday, and told me he had fifty patients to attend to every day—he said I had not been giving my husband sufficient does. he was sure I had not; and he said, "I doubt you are giving him too much to cat"—I said, "My husband cannot take any thing; he vomits it all up"—he said I was to give him hot water and salt; it would make him vomit easy—he said the fever would feed my husband without any victuals—I said my husband had not any fever; he he was quite cool—I do not remember any thing else that passed on that Monday—at that time my husband was so very week, could hardly rise out of his bed—Mr. Salmon left the direction what we were to get on the Tuesday morning: it was so many pills—I really do not recollect his many—he told me to add five every day—I do not know how many they would have been that day—he came on Tuesday, and stopped a long time with my husband, who told him he was very bad,—the prisoner said he was afraid I had not been doing my duty to him; not giving him sufficient doses; and I was alarming myself without the least occation: it I had given him the

quality he had ordered him, he would well in a day or two and up at the fire-side—I notice that the purgative effect produce increased according to the increase number of pills I gave—my husband took a turn on the Tuesday night between twelve and one o'clock in the morning—he seemed to be quite delirious; and on Wednesday morning I sent for Mr. Gray, but my husband's order desiring me to see what that man was doing with him—in consequence of what I said to Mr. Gray, Mr. Cumming was sent for and came on Wednesday in the forenoon—he came in to the room along with Mr. Gray—they were with my husband about half a hour—after Mr. Cumming left, Mr. Salmon called, again and at night; he called twice that day—I saw him the first time he called—I did not tell him at that time of Mr. Cumming having been there—Mr. Cumming had not administered any medicine to my husband that day—my husband was quite delirious—I did not say any thing to Mr. Salmon when he called in the middle of the day—he told me to give my husband twenty-five at night—he said it would compose him to sleep, and he would be better in the morning—at ten o'clock that night my husband was very ill indeed—he was a great deal worse then than when Mr. Cumming saw him in the morning—he got worse and worse—Mr. Salmon knocked at the door very gently at ten o'clock that night—I was sitting at the bedside, crying—I let him in, and was very much surprised to see him—he told me I was alarming myself without the least occasion; that my husband was doing well; but, of course, every thing must come to a height, before it would take the turn—I told him a gentleman had gone for a doctor, who said my husband was in a very dangerous state indeed; and I said to him, "Be on your guard, for my husband is in a dangerous state"—he said if he saw any medical gentleman at the bed-side, he would turn him out—he also said he would put him out of the house—he then administered twenty-five pills to my husband in a spoonful of jelly—he said he doubted me, and had come to do it—they were No. 1—he said he would call in the morning himself, but I was to give him the usual quantity—he did name the quantity, but I do not recollect it, and I gave them in the morning (Thursday)—I think it was about twenty of No.2—I did not give him the number ordered, for the prisoner told me to give him thrity-six, or somewhere thereabout—I gave him about twenty—they produced similar effects to those I have mentioned—they operated violently as a purgative, frequently, those he took in the morning—No. 1 did not operate—on Thursday Mr. Salmon came about two o'clock or a quarter-past—My husband appeared to be a great deal worse than the day before—I told Mr. Salmon the state I thought my husband was in all along—when I told him the state I thought him in that Thursday, he asked if I had any more pills, and desired to see the box—there was none in it, unless there was three or four—he said, "Your pills are done"—my husband had taken the 11s. packet of No.2 and as many of No.1, which he purchased of Miss Lane—Mr. Salmon said he would call on Miss Lane, and order more pills—I then told him that my husband had been advised not to take any one more pills—he seemed to be in such a way, flurried, and said he would give him 100 if he thought he wanted them—I told him my husband was very ill, and was getting very thin and very weak—he said must take off the fish before he could raise him up—he said he would rise a new man—I said I wished he would rise the man he was before—he told me to give him thirty-five, exactly at three o'clock—I told him that my husband could not take pills, that he was vomiting them, up and vomiting blood like wise—he at the box of the small, pills, the remainder which were left—he said they small, and

said, "Have you been giving him that sort all along?"—I said "No, 12 have not, I have a giving the regular size"—he said they were small, and I should give him the regular quality, or he never could get him cut of that if I did not—he said he would call and ask Miss Lane to send the pills before three o'clock—Miss lane called about a quarter tor ten two send she before three o'clock and brought an 11s. packet, and two boxes of powders (looking at box) if this is the box 1 gave Dr. Cobb, the physician, it is the 11s. packet—it was a box that—I paid 13s. 2 1/2d. for them—nothing was given to my husband that day besides the pills, but the powders—I gave him twenty-five instead of thirty five which the prisoner had ordered, and one box powders, of the power—not pill powders, but the sort in that box—Mr. Salmon told me on Thursday night not to give him any more pills until he came, and he would contrive to come early—he came about ten o'clock or half-past ten on Friday—he asked me if I had given my husband any pills, and desired me to given him pocket two small plain papers, of could like powders, and desired me to give him a breakfast cup, and a jug of cold water, which I did—he first put one paper into the cup, and then the other—there was about a table-spoonful of powers in each paper—they were not both alike, one was darker than the other—I asked him what it—was—he it up finer and said it was pills posdered—Mr. Gray was then in the front parlour down stair—the prisoner desired me to rise up my husband—I did no—my husbands was very week at that time, he could hardly move—when I raised him up, the prisoner took the cup and poured it into mouth—it id not all go in, some remained round the edge of the cup—the prisoner put in some more water, and gave it to him—my husband swallowed it on—Mr. Salmon then went down stairs to Mr. Gray, in the parlour—the barber had come to shave my husband—I went down stairs too, but in a moment or two I came up again, and my husband vomited up in the basin apparently all the down for Mr. Salmon to come up to him, and he came up, and said, "There is always struggling blood in a person's inside, do not alarm yourself"—he saw what my husband had vomited, and on that made the observation—my husband said, "My dear, he has poisoned me"—the prisoner then went down stairs to Mr. Gray, in the parlour—I was there also part of the time—Mr. Gray talked a good deal to him, and said, "Are you a medical gentlemen?—he said, "Yes"—Mr. Gary asked, him a show him his diploma—he said it was a not customary for medial gentleman to carry book their diploma with them—he asked him if he was enrolled in the books of surgeons—Mr. Salmon said he was—Mr. Gary said, "You are not treating Captain M' Kenzie properly." and he talked a great deal to him—(Mr. Gray then went directly for Dr. Cumming)—Mr. Gray asked the prisoner where he lived—he said. "In the City." and went out—he came again that night about eight o'clock—my husband was very bad then—he was getting worse and worse—Mr. Cumming had been there, and said something to me before Mr. Salmon came at night—my husband gave orders for him not to see him—he did see him, and asked me for a glass of brandy and milk to give him—I told him I had been bad in a doctor, and that a physician was coming to-morrow—I told him I would not give him the brandy and milk, my husband could not take it—Mr. Salmon said, the milk would kill the brandy—I was not to alarm myself—my husband shook his head, and said to Salmon, "Go out; you will be paid for your trouble you have poisoned me"—the brandy and milk was not given him—my

husband told him he had poisoned him right out—Mr. Salmon went down stairs—I went him—he said, if I did call in a doctor there was no need to alarm myself for my husband was doing well, and not to call in a doctor—I told him there had been one in already—he said, it was not my fault, it was my friend's who were alarming themselves: meaning that I was not so much to blame as my friends, who were alarming themselves about Mr. M'Kenzie—I told him there were no friends of mine alarming themselves, it was myself—I was afraid about my husband—I said I was the mother of four children and if any things happened, what could I do—he seemed to be very alarmed—I said, "Look at my babe at my breast, only five months old"Captain Allen and Mr. Gray, I think came in on Friday night while Mr. Salmon was there—I heard them ask him a great deal of question about what he had done—Mr. Salmon said he would come back to-morrow, and bring a physician—they asked him question as to his being a medical man, and he always said he was—he said so on that occasion—Mr. Cumming saw mu husband the following day—he called with Dr. Cobb at one o'clock and Mr. Salmon came that day with Dr. Lynch—my husband was very bad then, worse, and worse—I told them I would not let them see my husband, and if I had not another gentleman there. they would have seen him; but I desired Captain Allen to protect me—they quitted the house without seeing my husband—on Saturday night, at twelve o'clock my husband changed cold all over—he continued to get worse till he died, which was bout three o'clock on Monday morning, or a quarter past—no medicine of any kind was administered to my husband from the time Mr. Salmon administered the last medicine, until his death except some broth.

Cross-examined. SIR FREDERICK POLLOCK. Q. You never had seen Mr. Salmon at all till he called on you? A. Never—he gave me a card at his first visit—I have not got it now—he called three times before he attended my husband as a professional; gentlemen—I do not know whether he had any thing to do with medicine. except as the agent for Morison's pills—my husband expressed a wish that he should be sent for about the 19th or 20th of January—in the mean time he had taken four of Morison's pills two or three times a-week—I cannot say whether it was No.1 or No. 2—when Mr. Salmon called, he desired me to give him twenty pills of No. 1 at night and twenty of No.2 in the morning—I gave him ten of No.1 and ten of No.2 in the morning—I gave him Morison's pills that were in the box—I never gave him any pills made of bread to imitate them—I told Mr. Salmon that I had given him twenty at night, and twenty in the morning—he said, he effect was not what what he expected from the pills—I continued giving the pills, but not so many as he desired.

Q. Did you not you sometimes leave out the No.1 altogether? A. When I did not given him them at night, he got none—that happened, perhaps, two or three nights, but not running—the pills, No.1 never operated on my husband—Mr. Salmon told me they would not, but always to given him No.2 to drive off No.1—I supposed No.1 was not to operate as medicine—he said they were"searchers" and I was to give No. 2 in the morning, to drive off the effect No.1 would produce on the constitution—my husband said the No.1 pained him more then No.2 pained his knee, for they drawed his knee as if it was drawn by a hundred cords—his knee did not swell till about a week before his death—it did not swell much then twenty was the largest number of pills I gave him at a time—I once gave him twenty-five think that was of No.1 I think—it was in

the afternoon—I omitted to give him No.1 about three times, and not any more—I never on any occasion gave him the quality of medicine Mr. Salmon desired—I never gave him enough—he always wanted me to give him so much, but I had heard of many deaths from Morison's pills—Mr. Salmon desired me to give him more and more—I always told him I had given him the quality he desired—he said he doubled me—I sometimes used to give him five less than he ordered, and I once did ten—I do not recollect giving him fifteen less than he desired—he once told to give him thrifty-six, and I gave him twenty-five—I described to him what effect took place, and he said he was dissatisfied, and through I bad not given him the proper quantity, but not ill after Dr. Cumming had come in—he had said he doubted me, before Mr. Cumming was called in, because the medicine did not produce the effect he expected—he said he expected to see him sitting at the fire-side in a day or two—I had known my husband all my life, we had been school-fellow—he was a captain in the West India service—he sometimes made one, and sometimes two voyages in a years for six years—he has been at sea since he was eight years of age—he took no medicine of any sort, except siedlitz powders and senna in the summer-time, when he was at home—two years ago he had a severe fever in the West Indies, at Jamaica—he had the fever that is generally—he told me that the doctors there had given him a good deal of mercury but he supposed proper means had been taken, for they were of the very first doctors there, one of whom had come home as a passenger with him—he came home on the 7th of July—it is two years ago last January that he had the fever—he went three voyages to the West Indies after that—he had never been attacked with rheumatism before in his life—the first time he complained of the pain in his knee was the first time he was attacked in that way—it was upon that he desired to see Mr. Salmon.

Q. I would ask you, whether, on any one occasion you gave to your husband the dose of medicine in the quantity that Mr. Salmon recommended? A. It always used to be five under, and one sometimes No.1 was omitted altogether.

MR. BODKIN. Q. You been asked if you knew whether Mr. Salmon had any thing to do with the medicine, except as agent for the sale of it; did he tell you he was a mere agent, and had nothing to do with administering it? A. I understood from Miss Lane that he was doctor—he said always that he hoped I was getting the pills from Miss Lane—he did not represent himself to be a mere agent to sell the pills, and having nothing to do with administering them—I described to him from time to time the pains my husband was enduring and also him effect of the medicine—I told him all the particulars—I told him what was coming from him—when my husband returned from he West Indies he was stouter than when he went.

COURT Q. You say he vomited the pills up, did he vomit up No. 2? A. Yes, sometimes both Nos. 1 and 2.

HENRY TIMBREY GRAY . I am a ropemaker, and live in the Commercial-road. I had known the deceased more than two years—his general, state of health was very excellent indeed—the last time I saw him out was in the middle of January, in the Captains'-room, at Lloyds's—he then appeared rather pale, and different to what I had before seen him—I think it was about the 14th or 15th of January—On the 26th I was sent for to his house, but I had seen him after the 15th between that and the 26th—I had seen him on Wednesday the 20th of January—he was bad in bed—I was sent

for at his request—I am sure it was the 20th—he was then ill in bed—I was again sent for to his house, on Tuesday afternoon, the 26th of January—I went both on Tuesday and Wednesday—he was very bad indeed on Tuesday, and not in a sound state of mind, in my opinion—I mean delirious—I inquired of him with attendance he ad; and in consequence of what I heard in answer to that inquiry, I recommended a certain course to be taken—I saw him again on the Wednesday morning about nine o'clock, in consequence of a message—in consequence of a request made to me I went for Mr. Cumming and we went together to Captain M'Kenzie's house, and we both saw him—I had given an explanation to Mr. Cumming of the treatment he had been undergoing, and Mr. Cumming recommended that course to be discontinued—I do not personally know whether it was or was not continued—I went again on Friday, the 29th, in the morning—the prisoner was then present—I was at the house before he arrived—the prisoner, on arriving asked how Captain M'Kenzie was—the reply was, "Very bad"—he went up stairs—I went into the room with him—the prisoner did not say a word in my presence, but looked a at me and then at Mr. Kenzie, evidently conveying a meaning—after a lapse of one minute, M'Kenzie told me to leave the room, and said his wife must be mad to think of having me in the room, and I also to stop with the medical man—in consequence of those expressions, I left the room—the prisoner afterwards came down stairs to the parlour where I was—I asked him his opinion of Mr. M'Kenzie—he said he was decidedly better—I told him I differed with him—I thought him as bad as a man could be to be alive—I told him I understood he had been taking Morison's pills—e bowed assent and said he had—I asked him for what disease or disorder he was doctoring him for or treating him for he—he replied he was eradicating his former disorders or diseases, and he would be a better man than ever—I then asked him if there was any occasion to administer such enormous does—he replied there was, and asked me if I had ever partaken of them—I told him I had not, and God keep me from ever doing so, I had seen sufficient of their effects; alluding to M'Kenzie—he then said he had treated him the same as he had treated his wife and family—he told me I was one of old school, and fond of the faculty'; but if I knew the numbers they destroyed yearly I should not be surprised to see how the bills of mortality were swollen out—about that time the hairdresser left the room to shave Captain M'Kenzie and returning a minute, saying that vomiting had taken place—the prisoner wet up stairs to see him—I did not go up-stairs myself—the prisoner returned in a minute or two down stairs, and said it was very trifling, that the hair-dresser had disturbed him after he had recently taken medicine—he asked me if I had any further questions to put to him—I observed, "Are you aware you have been administering medicine to man in an unsound state of mind?"he said he had not referred to Mrs. M'Kenzie, who was then in the front parlour—she corroborated my statement and said her husband was out of his mind, or had been out of his mind—he the admitted that he might have been a little light headed, but it was to of any consequence—at this all, I belive that passed that morning—the prisoner then left the house, and I went into the be room—I found M'Kenzie much worse and in great pain—after leaving the house at the request of thedecesed, at eleven o'clock, I went to Mr. Cumming, an the said he would attend—after that I met Captain Allen about one o'clcok in the day and we met about eight o'clock in the evening at Mr. Kenzie hose—when I got there the prisoner was in

the front parlour—I asked him if he was a surgeon, he replied that he was—I had put that question to him before in the morning and he then said he was a suregeon—that was whole that passed in the morning—in the evening I asked him again, and he said he was—I then asked him if he had his diploma—he said he ha—I asked him if he had any document he could show to convince me he had a diploma, about his person l—he replied he had not, and said it was into customary for medical gentlemen to carry their diploma with them—I told him I was fully aware often, and asked him if his name was enrolled—he the book of surgeons—the replied it was—I then asked him his address—he replied "the City"—that, was all the conversation I had with him myself that evening—Captain Allen and another witness were there—I saw the deceased before I left—he appeared sinking very fast—it was between nine and ten o'clock when I left—he was then perfectly sensible—I called on Saturday, but did not see him.

Cross-examined by MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. Who was present at the conversation in the evening—you said before you belive there was one person? A. Captain Allen an Mrs. Mr. Kenzie were present in the evening but in the morning Masters the hair dresser, was present—I had been given to understand the prisoner was a surgeon—I could not tell what grade he might style himself, of the faculty—he did not meant tell me that he had destroyed people—I put the question in the morning wheter he was a surgeon and he said he was—it was the the commencement of the conversation—I cannot say whether I mentioned that before the Coroner, but I belive I did—I had not hear from Mrs. M'Kenzie where the prisoner lived—I had heard from the deceased that he was attended by a surgeon—I never saw a card of his—I asked him who he was and he said a surgeon, living in London—I did not know he lived kin Farringdon-street till the inquest was going on—I did not go to Farringdon street to inquire after him.

THOMAS DANIEL ALLEN . I am a captain in the merchant service. I was acquainted with the deceased of eight or nine years—he was always a man of temperate habit since I have known him—I saw him at half past one o'clock on the 29th of January—I had seen him before at Lloyd's, and he appeared in perfect health h—in consequence of a communication made to me I went to his house on Friday the 29th of January—I got here at half past one o'clock in the ay—he was in bed, a din a very low state of health—his hands were very cold and clammy—his feet were cold to his knees—I did not speak to hi for some moments after going up stairs—Mrs. Salmon was not there time—I went again to him in the evening and saw the prisoner there, sitting in the parlour—I asked him if he had been attending Captain M'Kenzie—he stated that he had been doing so—I then asked him if he was a professional man—his reply was, "I am"—I then asked him if he could produce his diploma; he said it was not usual to carry it with him—the then stated that it appeared to him that Mrs. M'Kenzie's friends were crossing him, because I would not let him go up stairs by the request of Mrs. M'Kenzie—he had applied to go up-stairs, and I refused him—he said nothing further tome, but I told him Dr. Cumming and Dr. Cobb would be there at one o'clock the following day—he had a great wish to go and see the captain—I do not recollect that he said any thing more about going up—I did not notice whether he had anything with him—I said Dr.Cumming and Dr.Cobb were coming at one o'clock next day and no did they would very happy to meet him there—when the prisoner found he was crossed in going up the said, another dose would do him—that is all I recollect

passing before he left the house—I was there the next day when the prisoner and Dr. Lynch came—it was between two and three o'clock to the best of my recollection—Dr.Cobb and Mr. Cumming had been there before that time, and had left—neither the prisoner nor Dr. Lynch were permitted to go up stairs to see the deceased.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Did not Mr. Salmon tell you, the day before Mr. Cumming and Dr. Cobb came, that he would call next day and bring a physician with him? A. He did—I mentioned one o'clock to him as the time Dr. Cobb and Mr. Cumming would come—they came—it might be a few minutes before or after one o'clock—it was very near one o'clock—I did not say the appointment was two o'clock—I never said so to my recollection—I recollect saying one o'clock—I did not say two o'clock—I swear one o'clock was the time—I do not recollect having said that two o'clock was the hour appointed by the gentlemen—I do not recollect that I swore it was two o'clock—what I said before the coroner was read over to me—Dr. Lynch was named by Mr. Salmon as the medical gentleman he would bring—he pressed most anxiously that Dr. Lynch should he allowed to go up stairs and see the patient, and they were prevented—they both gave their addresses on that occasion—I did not know that the deceased was confined in a hospital is Jamaica with fever—I never knew a master of a ship go into a hospital in Jamaica—he was not ill there while—I was in the island—I did not hear the prisoner say that the treatment of medical men called in after he had began his treatment would be likely to kill the deceased and that he ought to be left to work his cure out.

COURT. Q. Have you ever said you told the prisoner that Dr. Cobb and Mr. Cumming would come at two o'clock? A. I told him they would be there about one o'clock—I never said to any body that I told the prisoner they would come at two o'clock not to my recollection—(looking at his depositions) this is my signature—it was read over to me before I put the signature to it—I attended to it before I put my signature to it—if I did say two o'clock I am confident one o'clock was the appointed time—I do not recollect saying on that occasion that Dr. Cobb and Mr. Cumming came before their time.

WILLIAM SPINK CUMMING . I am a surgeon and apothecary, and live in the parish of Limehouse. I was applied to by Mr. Gray to go the house of the deceased on the 27th of January—I went accordingly, and saw him—I was informed what has been done for him before I went into the room—when I went the bed room I perceived he was extremely ill, and in a very critical state—the moment saw him. I believed him is a most hazardous state, form the expression of his countenance and him appearance—I believed him in the most imminent danger from the moment I saw him—he was extremely weak his eyes very mach sunk—he breathed with great difficulty; and altogether his appearance was that of a man in a very hazardous state—I conversed with himhe was not able to converse with me easily—he could not—he attempted to answer a question I put but was too exahusted—the first would he said was, "Allow me a moment to breathe, and I will endeavour to tell you"—I then questioned him as to the remedies he had taken—he told me the purpose ha had in view in taking the medicine; next he gave me an account of the medicine itself—I examined his knee-joint—I found his knee affected with acute rheumatic inflammation—it was swollen, hot and painful—the swelling extended half way up the thighit was the right knee—he complained of

no other pain till I put the question to him—he made no complaint but of his knee—but I put other questions, and he told me he had other pains—the chief pain was at the put of the stomach—the disorder in the knee was not at all connected with the disorder in the stomach—I examined one of his motions—it was what is generally termed a watery motion, and floating in the water, were long thick ropes of mucus six or eight inches long—it was the mucus form the bowels—I believe it was such a motion as is produced by irrelative purgative medicines—if he had said nothing, I should say it was such a motion as is produced by strong purgatives—I explained to him, that the disorder in the knee had no connexion with the disorder in the stomach—after hearing what medicine he had taken, and for what purpose, I did not think fit to have it continued, but I had no charge, and could not direct it to be discontinued—I merely given my option, that the consequences would be fatal if they did continue—I said, he might recover if he took about a little sip of barley water, or chicken broth, and took no more medicine—he had complained of thirst, and I though it she only proper nourishment; it might have partly supplied the lost of the mucus which had been carried of f—from the first I thought him in a highly eritical state, and told his friends so—I called on Thursday the day following to inquire how he did, and I was sent for on the Friday, and saw him—he was decidedly worse that when I left him on Wednesday he was in a state of looking abut him last he had dose on Wednesday, though very exhausted then; he lay now with the eyelids half covering his eyes, and the eye still more sunk—the breathing was preformed with great distress—his voice was merely a whisper-when he was spoken to, he raised his eyelids; but the moment the excitement of speaking to him was over, the eyelids dropped again—it was about eleven o'clock in Friday that I saw him—I felt his arm and found the pulse eat very nearly 130—it was just countable—his akin was very cold and clammy—the arm above the elbows, was blueish or purple it was my opinion at that time he would he—no person of competent skill could fail to see that he was in danger on the Wednesday and on the Friday I found him nine worse—I declined to act as a medical man for him without assistance—in consequence of hen Dr. Cobb was called in to assist me—I told the deceased I would not attend otherwise—he was not in a condition to take medicine after I saw him on Friday—I directed, on the Friday fourteen leeches to be applied to the knee—I saw him again about eight o'clock the following morning—he had passed a very restless night and was still worse than on the previous evening—Dr. Cobb was not with me at eight o'clock on Saturday—he was about one o'clock in the day—the deceased was still worse—I thought he was rather better when Dr. Cobb saw him with me in the middle of the day but do not now think he was better—he was sensible)—I though the case not hopeless on Saturday—I still thought there was a hope of his getting better—Dr. Cobb did not thing it proper to administer any thing by the stomach and I agreed in that—not above five grains of gum arabic was administered—I administered enema to him by the direction Dr. Cobb, and again a second time—I saw him again on the Saturday night latehe was the very much worse—I did not think any thing in the shape of medicine would be of the least use to him—I saw him on Sunday night—he was in dying state—I and Dr. Cobb saw him on Sunday morning and night—I left him at ten o'clock at night in a dying state—I have not the slightest hesitation in saying, he died from ulceration in the stomach—the destruction of the cubstances in the stomach—I know the

medicines gamboge and sloes—gameboge is an irritating purgative—I have not myself analyzed any of Morison's pills.

Q. On the supposition that they are composed of gamboge, aloes, cream of tarter, and asafoetida, in your judgement would the exhibition of medicine of that king in large quantities, produce the effects the stomach which you found I the deceased? A. I have not the slightest doubt of it—there was a post mortem examination, which I attended—it was my opinion that the treatment I bad heard of was the cause of death, and my opinion was confirmed on the post mortem examination—I have not the slightest hestiation about it—If more pills were administered the irritation would increase in proportion to the quantity—if a greater portion of this sort of medicine had been given to the deceased, there would, in my judgment, have appeared a greater degree of irritation and ulceration that I found, and death would have occured sooner, in proportion the quantity administered—I saw the stomach examined, it was very highly inflamed along ht bottom of it—near the lower opening there was a patch of ulceration larger than a shilling, that was on the curved arch at the bottom of the stomach—it was all in an inflamed state—I do not think it was of long standing but that I only know from a history of the case—the ulteration was the result of inflammation.

COURT. Q. You could not, on the mere looking at the patch, tell whether it was long standing or not? A. If lit had continued long the person could not have lived—in my opinion it was not of long standing.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Within what time, according to your judgement, must that ulceration have commenced? A. My decided opinion is it, was running into that state of ulceration on Wednesday just verging on it—I have not the slightest doubt it had not commenced on the Tuesday, but was verging towards it on the Wednesday—it just could not have commenced two or three months before, for the party could not have lived—I firmly believe it took place on the Friday—there was no connection cause at all between the knee and the state of the stomach—they were quite distinct—the appearances I found in the stomach, and what I have described, would decidedly account for his death—I saw an evacuation on the Friday with Dr. Cobb—the medicines mentioned wold produce such an evacuation and I believe they did—the nature of the at evacuation was confirmatory of my opinion of the cause of death—it was a watery motion with mucus ropes—it would not pass in the quantity and substance without some forcing cause e—strong drastic purgative medicines, repeated over and over again, would be sure to produce it—the lungs of the deceased were healthy, and all the vital organs except the stomach—there was nothing incompatible with health—it was the opinion of one of he gentlemen that the liver was rather congested—that would not account for the death at all.

Cross-examined by SIR FREDERICK POLLOCK. Q. Are you a member of the Royal college of Surgeons? A. Yes, I am, and of the Apothecary's Company—I live a little more than a quarter of a mile from Captain M'Kenzie's—not half a mile—I saw whim first on Wednesday—I did nothing to him then—I did not see him on Thursday—on Saturday I saw him with Dr. Cobb—I saw him two or three times on Friday—I would not attend without their agreeing to a physician being called in—the deceased wished me to attend him on the Friday morning—I did not see him with Dr. Cobb till Saturday at one o'clock—Dr. Cobb was not asked to at ten till six o'clock in the evening—I was asked on Friday morning about eleven o'clock to attend him.

Q. How came you to do nothing till Friday night? A. I thought

every thing to be done was to do nothing to omit he exciting cause of his complaint—I had mustard poultices applied to his stomach on Friday but medicine would be injurious, and I advised them not to give any medicine—I advised a little sip of barley-water and chicken broth as a remedy, as well as nourishment—I took on myself the cure of the case on Friday at eleven o'clok—from that time I consider myself responsible for what was done—I called on Dr. Cobb myself at six o'clock in the evening—the rheumatism had nothing at all to do with he stomach—he died of ulceration ha inflammation of the stomach—I am acquainted with the medicine that was administered, because my patients have taken it in al quantities—I have examined the pills externally merely—I have had them in my possession—I do not administer therm myself—I administer aloes—I do not think I ever gave more than ten grains at once—I have never had occasion to give more than three grains of gamboge e—I have found that as much as a person could bear, and never gave more.

Q. Suppose these pills are made up chiefly of aloes an gamboge, can you state what would be the effect of them? A. Yes—the effect would be according to the dose tat is give—the effect of ten or twenty is to produce generally vomiting and violent purging—four of them are abut a moderate dose—I do not say a person might not take more without danger—it is dangeruous to take them at any point—I have been called to persons who have taken, ten and have sent for me on that account—I considered that too many in that case—I never administered the pills myself—I have administered the medicines of which they are mad, according to what 1 understand)—one person can tae more that another—we are guided by the effect—there is a medium quantity given as to the dose of every medicine-ten grains is the medium quantity of aloes, and two or three grains of gamboge, according to our custom, that would be fur pills—that would be six of Morison's pills l—eight of Morison's pills would about four of ours, and six would be three. I should suppose about ten of Morison's pills would be a strong dose, an being repeated they would be injurious—I consider that the repetition of twenty night and morning be highly injurious.

Q. You would not expect any body to be alive after going through that process, taking that quantity for several days together? A. It depends on whether they are continued—the repeated use of them once, twice, or thrice, would not kill a peso, though it might produce paid, but the repetition of them would bring on inflammation and gangrene—the repeated use of strong purgative medicine would bring hat on—an overdose of the medicines I have named would—an overdose of aloes frequently repeated would kill a person—I have heard of the composition of these pills—I have heard that they contain a very small quantity of asafoetida and that the substance of the pill is aloes—I did not hear the quantity of gamboge—the danger of the dose wold depend on the preponderance of he gamboge—I do not know which is the stronger, No.1 or No.2—that would be the strongest that had the largest, quantity of gamboge—if each pill contained half a grain of gamboge ten would be a very powerful dose of purgative medicine—that alone would be so—ten pills would be a strong dose of that alone—the gamboge and aloes together would been over dose—a very strong dose in most cases—in by far most cases it would be an over dose—I do not say it would be extremely dangerous s—I think twenty pills would amount to be dangerous—a person might survive fifty as most limey it excites vomiting in that quantity—a person might survive if it did not.

Q. What do you say of taking thirty, night and morning for two or three days together do you think any body could survive that? A. I think it

would he very improper—I think a person might survive—it would depend upon how soon they applied for medical aid—it is a matter of opinion-the medicines must produce these effects in excessive quantities, always—I do not think that any body could take twenty at night and twenty in the mornings, of two or three days together, with safety; at least, it would be extremely blamable to do so—the case in question is the largest quantity I ever knew taken—in my opinion, these does would produce the same effect in most persons—I do not know whether that would be the case in mine persons out of ten—they would all be rendered ill, and I think, very likely two or three of them would die out of the ten; but it is entirely a matter of conjuncture because we medical men go by the effect of the medicine, especially when we come to give large quantities—the person must be watched, and we go by the effect.

Q. What would be the effect of an ordinary person taking twenty or thirty pills night and morning for days and night together? A. The effect would be, that at the first dose the bowels would be cleared out—by a repeated done they would be irritated, and the mucus secretion, the lining of the bowels, brought away—by repeated doses the bowels would be irritated, and, by continued irritation and action, inflammation would be brought on—it depends on the state and strength of the stomach—an over dose of gamboge would kill anybody—gamboge is ranked by Dr. Paris and others as poisonous—above twenty grains it is a direct poison and would act as such on the stomach of most persons—it is my opinion that if there was half a grain in each pill, forty pills would be a direct poison—I do not think anyone could live taking thirty or forty gains daily not taking them at one time and repeating the dose for two or three days the effect would be death, I belive—it would produce a mortal disease, a disease that could terminate in death.

Q. If it should happen that many person have taken much larger doses as I have describe to you, either they are wrong in the facts, or you are wrong in your theory—is that so? A. Yes that must be—I have said, that the irritation would be in proportion to the quantity administered—the effect is in proportion to the quantity, just the same as the proportion of ardent spirits has its effect in proportion to it quantity—the effect of laudanum is in proportion to the quantity—one drop of laudanum would have no effect at all—five drops would begin to have some effect—it would raise the spirits, and rouse to action a larger, quantity would put an end to all action.

Q. If ten drops would stimulate 100 drops would act altogether in a different way? A. It would—a small dose of calomel will produce a great deal of testing and uneasiness to he intestines, and a larger dose would produce a comfortable evacuation—I have administered aloes for twenty twenty years—I never found it do so—I have tried it and taken it for years.

COURT Q. I suppose you never gave aloes such a quantity as you thought would tease, and not produce a proper effect? A. Never—I have administered it one grain, three, four, five and six.

SIR FREDERICK POLLOCK ? Q. You mean to say aloes in proportion to its quantity? A. Yes and in my judgement very regularly—I have four years used the gamboge pill, which is gamboge and aloes—I never gave more than three at once—I have repeated them, but never ordered more than three at one time—I was asked before the Coroner, my opinion of the cause of the decease's death—the difference between the pills No. 2 was told me in the room, but at this moment I do not remember it—the gamboge pills

that I have administered, contain one grain or gamboge each—I have forgotten the difference between No.1 and No.2 of Morison's pills—I may happen to hit on the proper description but I do not know which are the stronger—I do not remember haring before the Corner, that Captain M'Kenzie had always a less dose administered to him than was recommended—I have heard Mrs. M'Kenzie say to day that she omitted to give No.1 at night three times and gave No.2 in the morning without giving no.1a tall—and I hard her say that Mr. Salmon said No.2 ought not to be given without No.1.

Q. Now I ask you, as a medical man whether it is quite fair to judge of the effect to medicine, when it is told you are not to give No.2 without No.1, and do so—is it fair to judge to that? A. No; if a medical man sends two medicines, with a particular object in view, understanding the complaint he wishes both to be given—generally speaking, it is not fair to give a less quantity than a medical man orders and judge of its effect—if the medicine is gamboge and aloes we know what it is.

Q. If a patient id told, "Don't take No.2 Without No.1, "is it fair to judge of he effect of No.2 if No.1 is left out? A. I do not think it is—I heard Mrs. M'Kenzie say to day that No. I never operated on the bowels—I judge of the effect of the medicine administered not of the quantity—the directions of the prescribing medicine ought to be attened to.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Suppose No.1 is omitted would a person of competent skill be able to detect it, from appearances on seeing patient? A. If I send a dose of purgative medicine at night, and it has no effect in the morning it is very natural to inquire if the medicine has been taken—I do not know what complaint the deceased made to the prisoner—from what I saw of him on Wednesday I should say, it would be highly dangerous to give even a small quantity of this medicine on Thursday in the state his stomach was in—it would not be consistent to administer two spoonful of powdered pills of Thursday or Friday—I do not thing a man at all acquainted with the us of medicine could have failed to know that, if he was acquainted with disease—the exhibiting of two table spoonsful of these pills powdered on the Thursday or Friday was very likely to produce death—it is very difficult to enter in to the varieties of cases—medicine may be throw off the stomach very quickly—very great quantities of quicksilver have passed through without injury at all—I consider it was not consistent with safety to administer any medicine to him a tall in the state he was in.

Q. In your judgement regard being had to the appearances you saw on Wednesday would a person of competent skill have repeated the medicine we have heard described, in any form under such circumstances? A. Respecting competent skill, it is very difficult question—it required a person acquired with disease—Captain M'Kenzie did not complain of disease, but the pain in his knee—it required a medical man to know he was affected with inflammation of the stomach—nether the gentleman who attended nor the patient himself knew he was affected with irritation of the stomach—there is often a high degree of inflammation of the stomach. with very little pain—I have heard Mrs. M'Kenzie state that she repeated to Mr. Salmon the complaints made by her husband, of the pain in his stomach and below it—that would certainly call the attention of person of competent skill to the state of the stomach—he would not be justified in administering the medicine again, from the state in which the deceased was

on the Wednesday—the effect of two table spoonsful of pills would be to increase the inflammation, and hurry it into a state of gangrene; and it is my opinion that would account for the appearances I found on examining the body after death.

FREDERICK COBB , M.D I am a physician and have been practising as such for fourteen years in London. I am physician to the London Hospital I was called in to see Captain M'Kenzie on Friday night, to make an appointment to see him on Saturday morning the 30th of January and in consequence of the at appointment, I met Mr. Cumming there about one o'clock—I found Captain M'kenzie in a state of extreme depression and exhaustion; and in my opinion labouring under a fatal disease—I was informed by Mr. Cumming, on Friday evening, of the particulars of his illness, and the mode in which he had been treated—the statement made was, that he had taken a large quantity of Morison's pills—an evacuation was show to me on the Saturday it contained mucus, mixed with a good deal of fluid, and slight spots of blood—I cannot swear to the fact of slight spots of blood being mixed with it at that moment—the mucus had issued from the intestines, because it was mixed with feculent matter and bile—the mucus was the secretion from the inner lining of the bowels—I ordered mustard poultices to be applied to the pit of his stomach, and the same diet as Mr. Cumming had ordered, with a small quantity of mucilage given to him from tie to time together with injection s—the object of my treatment was merely to sustain life—I did not see him again that day—I saw him on the Sunday at noon and at night—I continued the same treatment with little variation, not administering to him any medicines, except broth and the mucilage; I think, just at last when the case became entirely hopeless, he had something to moisten his mouth—I directed enemas to be administered composed of strong beef soup, and a small quantity of brandy mixed with it—it was to sustain life—I afterwards attended at the examination of the body on Monday at two o'clock and took notes of it at the time (reading them)—"Monday, February 1 three o'clock twelve hours after death—liver rather large and congested, but no active disease—peritonœus free from inflammation or other disease—stomach much contracted—along the middle of the egret curvature exceedingly inflamed, with tow spots of ulceration, and one about the size of a shilling, at the commencement of the duodenum the mucus membrane throughout the whole course, of the intestinal canal, inordinately injected with dark-closured blood—in many parts, more particularly the ilium and jejunum, the mucus membrane had the appearance of lymph effused within its substance and greatly softened—at other parts, the membrane was so thin as to give the appearance of ulcerated destruction—the coecum colon, especially the ascending and descending protions, was a mass of yellow pulpy matter, mixed with fecalent matter and mucus—this matter did not distend the intestine by its bulk, but coecum was extremely distended by air, and had numerous small black spots like commercing gangrene—on opening the knee-joint, a considerable effusion of lymph was seen, but no marks of common of long continued inflammation or ulceration—in the head the vessels were rather protruded but nothing denoting disease"—with the exception of the stomach, there was no appearance about the body sufficient to account for death—there was abundantly sufficient in the stomach and bowels to account for the cause of death—I should say, unhesitatingly that the irritation in the stomach and bowels cause those appearances—inflammation had cause the ulceration the the stomach and bowels—I cannot take on

myself to swear from were inspection what caused the inflammation—the appearances in the stomach and bowels had reference to taking drastic medicines k—gamboge and aloes I large quantities are calculate to produce those appearances—it is impossible to say how long the yellow pulpy matter had been it the colon—it might have been many ay, for it was in that portion of the intestines which it might have lodged in many days—I saw some pills in the room—I know now what they are composed of—they are aloes and gamboge—I did not chemically examine them, and do not know of any thing els except form hearsay—I have heard Mrs. M'Kenzie examined to-day, and have heard her describe the quantity of pills she administered to her husband—a repetition of the quantity she states, I think, might cause those appearances, it would be very improper to administer on the Friday two table spoonsful of powdered pills, in the stale she has described him to her in—a person of competent skill would assuredly have seen, by the appearances that that was not the mode of treatment to be followed—inflammation of the stomach and bowels sometimes arises suddenly in the course of an illness—I am of opinion from the appearances after death, this could not have been what this teamed primary or idiopathic inflammation—it is impossible to form any judgement about how long before death the inflammation had originated—I cannot name anytime to be certrain that it might have been going on—it might have been a few days—it is impossible to say—perhaps from forty eighty hours up to four days ulceration—inflammation would necessarily precede ulceration—inflammation of the bowels varies very much in its character—ulceration supervenes inflammation in a very shot time—it requires nicety; of judgement to discover that the stomach and bowels are in a state of inflammation, as it does to discover all disease—if a person of competent skill had seen him on Friday for the first time, he would have seen he was labouring under destructive mischief of some vital organ—I should think a perosn of ordinary skill, attending him for days before would be able to detect inflammation of the stomach and bowels on the Friday and in my judgement it would be very improper to go of administering the same purgative medicines.

Cross-examined by SIR F. POLLOCK. Q. You did not see him before one o'clock on Saturday? A. No—I saw him twice on Sunday and on no other occasion—I saw him three times altogether during life—the disease of which he died had established itself unquestionably on the Saturday—I will not undertake to give an opinion how long—it must have been certainly more than twenty four hours—it might have proceeded from the medicine he took—as I have no proof that it was given I say, "might"—if I had proof of it being given, I should say it was cause enough to produce the disease by the administering of the medicines Mrs. M'Kenzie has described—I believe these medicines, administered in the manner she describe, would necessarily produce that effect.

Q. In your judgment no patient could escape dangerous and alarming illness by taking medicines in that way? A. I have not said that, and do not mean to say so—in his case it did so, I believe but others taking the same medicine might escape—I am aware of some of the ingredients of Morison's pills are gambage and aloes—those ingredients are poisonous in consequence, but not absolutely fatal, and it depends on the mode in which it is administered—I think five grains of the compound of aloes and gamboge administered twice a day for a week night produce fatal consequence if they produced inflammation at first and then were administer afterwards—if it was given to the times the amount in other cases I believe it might not produce those fatal consequences—I believe it might he administered

to ten times that amount without producing deleterious consequences—I speak of the compound of aloes and gamboge—but I will now speak of them separately—five grains of the compound, night and morning for a week, under some circumstances I believe, wold produce poisonous and destructive consequences, or it might not—it entirely depends on the condition of the patient—a very large quantity might be taken without producing any mischief—I presume a large quantity might be administered with benefit—it is a matter of very nice judgement to know when you may repeat large quantities.

Q. What is the largest dose you have been in the habit of administering of the compound? A. I should ay three grains of gamboge, with from seven to ten of aloes, is a full dose—I am aware that very much larger doses can be taken without producing deleterious effects because they produce a purgative effect and nature relives herself by those means.

Q. Perhaps you do not agree with the last witness, that if a particular quantity of medicine procures a certain effect double that quantity will produce double that effect? A. That depends on the medicine—that applies to some medicine—I belive opium, in a moderate dose, given to double the amount twit produce a certain the effect double certain circumstances—if the dose he very much increased, the effect is generally very different—most medicines have their effect according to the quantity administered.

Q. Can you name any medicine which throughout the whole quantity which could be given ha its effect in exact proportion to the quantity adminstered A. As a mathematical question certainly not—most medicines do—it would depend on what five grains of aloes were administered for, whether it would do good—ten times that quantity would not produce ten times that effect—I cannot name one medicine to enable me to give you a precise answer.

COURT Q. I presume there is no medicine of which you cannot give too much? A. None.

SIR F. POLLOCK Q. Sometimes it requires great nicety to tell when you have quite enough? A. Yes.

MR. BODKIN. Q. If I understand you, although you cannot mathematically speaking say if five grains of medicine produce certain effects, ten will produce just double that effect; do you, in point of fact, find a more powerful effect produced by the grater quantity? A. Certainly; cumstances on the time constitutions—they are medicines which if given constantly, require the nicest watching—I gave heard Mrs. M'Kenzie say she gave a smaller number of pills that she was directed—in my judgement, those omissions would not tend at all to the injury of the patient but quite the contrary.

COURT. Q. Does that observation apply to the total omission at night, or to the reduction of the quantity? A. The reduction of the quantity.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Do you know whether the pills differ in the materials they are composed of or in their strength? A. I will not undertake to say, but I believe No. 1 contains no gamboge a tall—my opinion that by not giving No. 1 at night it would not produce so great an irritation as if both had been given—I mean at that period of the disease—supposing inflammation to be begun the use of aloes and gamboge would be unquestionably prejudicial to the patient.

Q. Can you form any judgment how much it would take of these pills powdered to fill two table spoons? A. It would be a mere guess and suppostion—they

weigh for grains each—it is a very rough guess, but I should say from twenty to fifty—I should say the two spoons would be filled with fifty—if that quantity were given on Friday mornings ininflammation having set in, it would be a further means of mischief of course—it would not account for the appearances I found after death—not so soon—if doses of the same medicine had been administered for days before, their combined effect would produce the appearances I found.

SIR F. POLLOCK. Q. Are you aware of the difference of No.2 and No.2? A. I am not, no exactly—as I a general al rule, 1 think it very unfair to judge of the result of a peon's directions whether he is a medical man or not, if they are not followed it is a very unfair thing to disobey the directions of a medical man at any time, if you trust in him—if he directed twenty to be give and only ten were given, land he was told twenty had been gives, that would unquestionably be calculated to mislead hi a to the effect of the dose—I cannot conceive it could lead him into a rash administration of the medicines in this instance—I should not conceive it possible any body could take thirty grains at night and thirty in the morning for weeks and days together—I believe it is so, because we have evidence, of it—if he found certain effects wee not produced by what he ordered, and thought was taken he would be likely to increase it—if he was told twenty had been taken he would unquestionably ascribe the effect to twenty and not to ten.

COURT? Q. If he prescribe twenty and was told went were given, and judging of the effect of that, he would order a larger quantity? A. He would—I handed the pills I received to the Coroner, sealed.

RICHARD PHILLIPS I am Lecturer on Chemistry at St. Thomas's Hospital—I believe these are a portion of the pills I analysed—there appear to be two descriptions of pills in the same box one larger than the other—they appear to have been mixed by accident—a spring in the box has broken down—they were of different colours internally—the smaller pill is the darer I colour—I an tell the principal ingredients of the smaller pill, which I understand to be No.1, but they ere not numbered to me—the principal ingredients are cream of tartar and aloes—there was a smaller quantity of another substance which I had not time to examine—I cannot tell what proportion of aloes there was to the cream of tarter for I had not time to ascertain—I cannot tell the wight of the smaller pill—the small ones do not run quite the same size—some of No.2 are very nearly as small as no.1—my assistant can speak to a small quantity of asafœtida in bot pills—the larger pills are cream of tartar aloes and gamboge, with some of the same substance as in the other, which I did not make out—I cannot tell the proportion of gamboge in the larger pills.

SAMUEL AMES SANDELL . I am chemical assistant to Mr. Phillips—I assisted him in a analysing some of he pills and agree with his evidence—there was a little asafoetida in bot No. 1 and No.2.

Prisoner's Defence. It is with feelings of no ordinary kind I now appear before you; and was it no for the satisfaction arising from the consciousness that no moral guilt, whatever attaches itself tome I should be weighed down from being placed in his situation; but being satisfied of at feel no dismay knowing that as the determined advocate of unpopular, (because unknown an uninvestigated medical truths,) I must suffer from that prejudice which very naturally exists against is new discovery, however useful; and especially when that discovery is opposed to the apparent interest of others and the spread of intelligence en a subject which mystery has hitherto enveloped, namely, the preservation of

health and the cure of disease—I would first wish to draw your attention to the position in which I stand as a non medical man—the law, I freely allow is against my attending in a medical capacity provided I received dandy fee for so ding; but in he absence of that, I believe the law is clear on the point that it does not signify whether a man be a licensed or an unlicensed practitioner.; but it requires, and justly so, that a man bring to the work he undertakes to perform, a sufficient degree of intelligence experience and ability I trust, therefore, gentlemen, you will not allow your minds to be swayed against me because I am not a licensed practitioner, but rather let he evidence of those persons whom I have attended, and who will prove the benefit they have derived from my advice determine the point whether I have acted either with gross ignorance or negligence e—it will be necessary for me, as an Hygeist to account you with what are the fundamental principles of Hygeism; which is a peculiar characteristic appellation and which is nothing more than a revival or he ancient system of human pathology and is therefore opposed to what the majority of the medical men of the present day advocate, which is technically called organic pathology or solidism—the former doctrine tracing all diseases to the fluids, and the latter as origionating in the solids; that the blood, if not life itself is the great agent of life, and possess a prominent influence over every part of the body to which it conveys and in which it preserves vitality; and that is the existence of disease must originate injury to a geater or less degree to that vitality, so it must of necessity originate in the corruption or alteration from a healthy state of that blood which is the grand substantiation of he vital principle; the corruption, or disease of the blood, is produced by certain humour which hums are either or both matermine, contagious and person, a that is to say hereditary acquired and original—these humours, which are sometimes more or less local are always when in existence so intimately combined with the blood, as to require the most powerful and searching purgatives in order to effect their expulsion from the blood; but purgative is may be transcendently powerful an yet be composed of such ingredients is to be transcendently pernicious the employment of them with a view to the eradication of one disease, may afford them an opportunity for the creation of another—composed frequently of conflicting materials, these materials may, separating in the body, lose those qualities which they possessed in combination, and retain and expert those evil influences which they individually possess; but purgatives, composed of innocuous or nourishing constituents, are capable of producing (and alone are capable of producing,) those beneficial effects on the blood and consequently on the health, which only purgatives can produce on the former, and therefore on the latter—it is by the use of such purgatives, formed only of vegetable compounds possessing within themselves no deleterious agencies, which decomposition, combination, or alteration, can develop or bring into action (and therefore capable of producing no effect, save that which is desired, and for the production of which they are intended—(that those who practice the healing art accord to the doctrines of Hygienism, successfully endeavour to relive the suffering of their fellow-cretaures—is there anything in these doctrines, or assertions incompatible with reason or propriety?—is there anything incomprehensible to the meanest capacity?—is there any argument or deduction that does not bear on its every feature the impress of truth implicitly and certainly?—I feel that to these important interrogatives every unprejudiced, disinterested mind must respond in the negative—I will now compare the consistent

practice and sound principles of Hygeanism with the practice pursued by medical men in general—the Hygerists acting on conviction derived from experience apply one remedy composed of innoeuous ingredients for the removal of all diseases, which, as arising in one body, they consider must originally arise from one cause existing in that body—those opposed to the practice of the Hygeist apply innumerable remedies many of them containing poison in a state of temporary naturalization to the cure of all diseases and of one and the same disease—they also treat local diseases by local remidies, either by internal medicines, which they suppose and are taught to belive, will act particularly on the part effected; or, by external remedies drawing to the surface of the skin by blisters, or diverting the humours from their only, natural course through the bowels by local bleeding—the Hygeists, therefore, practising I unison with their doctrine apply one remedy and believe but one cause to exit; because they find by experience observation and inquiry, that all natural effects flow from some natural cause; and that the removal of that cause it the destruction of those effects which remedy is a harmles vegetable compound la as a purgative to he utter expulsion of all mieals of sufficient strength and searching properties to penetrate and draw out, from the various localities of the human system, all the acrid and corrupt humours which the Hygeists and which their practice abundantly confirms is the only cause of the multifarious forms of disease which afflict humanity-the practice of medical men in applying innumerable and opposing remedies to various diseases afflicting one body, and to one and the same diseases can only be defended on the supposition that the human body unlike all natural productions is no governed by one grand and general agent tor principle; but that although intimately and inseparably connected in al its parts and organs it is wholly distinct, different and unconnected with regard to the pains and infirmities afflicting and impairing the various parts an organs—comparing the principles and practice of both doctrines, it is scarcely necessary to remark that the Hygeists proceed on positive reasoning funded on natural deductions, while those opposed to hem can only account to their practice by negative hypotheses all and totally opposed equally to nature and to reason—thus by a plan of treatment so opposite in its nature, so uncertain in its effects an so injurious in its tendency the lives of hall persons who are suddenly passe from the treatment of the Hygeists to that of the doctors are placed in the greatest jeopardy—and to this mode of treatment pursued in this case, I do most solemnly attribute the melancholy death in this instance—in confirmation of this, look at the thousands and tens of thousands who employ the medicine recommended by the Hygeists in their various aliments; and in no case has an inquest been held, where medical men have not interfered with the beneficial administration of this medicine—in the case before you, I strongly protested, both to the deceased as well as to his friends against their Proceedings fearing at once the evil consequences before stated, an now so lamentably rue—in this nohing can show the absurdity of their practice more than the fact that a man under the influence of an active purgative and his bowel suddenly stopped; and that followed which all reflecting persons must naturally expect, namely infammation—on the contrary had his bowels been kept in a state of solution by the continued exhibiton of purgatives the cause of the inflammation which ensued would have been removed and a return to health he would have been the consequence—this is no chimera—you will ave an opportunity of hearing positive testimony

in confirmation there f—I will now shorty state the particular of this case and my connexion with it—I visited Captain M'Kenzie on the 22nd of January by his express desire for the first time after he had the affection of his knee, which was an old complaint of his and which had existed in this instance about ten our twelve days pervious to his sending for, me and which he state had been brought on by a cold, through getting wet—it consisted of a contraction of the muscles of the knee joint with some degree of swelling and considerable paid—in fact an acute rheumatic affection—I found he had been taking Moraon's pills of his won accord; but now knowing how to proceed with them he sen for me, a and I advised him to the best of my ability and experience—by gradually increasing the doses he got up to twenty of No.1 at night, and thirty of No. 2 in the morning which were the largest doses I ever ordered and never in any shorter time than twelve hocus between, did I order them to be administered the contraction of the knee joint soon gave way to this treatment, and he was sealed to put his leg straight in bed which before could only be in a bent position—so far the case was proceeding satisfactorily with the exception or and increase of pain, but confined wholly to knee—here it will be necessary to mention an important fact, elucidated from the widow, and which was wholly unknown to me before—she stated she did not give the doses I prescribed—so that while I was calculating upon the effect of thirty pills, and judged from the supposed operation of that number, she had only administered twenty and in like manner lessened the various does I have prescribed—hence my administering forty pills to the deceased which was the dose mixed by me illiquid was grounded on the supposed want of power of a much larger quantity than was actually given—therefore, the species of deception coupled with the application of of a blister to the knee unknown to me, all tended to thwart my proceedings—what would he said in the case of a regular medical man sending his mixture or draught labelled to be give to his patient in a certain way, if the attendant chose to alter the quantity according to their whim and fancy?—would it not be monstrous to charge the doctor with the consequences that minds rise in such a case?—in all probability such dose as forty pills would have been thought necessary had the patient had the number given to him that had been prescribed—Gentleman you must not let your minds be led astray but the apparent astounding number of pills given in this case e—calculating a number of small pills is very erroneous way of arriving at any just conclusion—suppose, for instance, it was worded in this way, "About a table spoonful of this moisture to be given, "would it in that case strike your mind as so preposterous?—and yet the same power of medicine would exist—I now beg leave to hand you a powder, which is forty of No. 2 pills pulverised; and I am sure, from the quantity there appears when in powder, and which ha been stated to be two tablespoonsful (but I have no hesitation in saying it would take beyond six hundred or seven hundred pills to fill, when powdered,) it would have a different effect on your minds to forty pills in the whole state—therefore, the only way in which you can arrive at a proper conclusion on the subject, is by paying particular, attention to the evidence of the witnesses which will be examined in my defence—remember that experience is the only test of all knowledge—you will have it in evidence that persons have not only taken the number which was given to the deceased but three times, and even fur times that quantity in one day an the invariable result has been cure—how therefor can it he said that in this case I acted either

rashly or negligently, looking a the experience which I have had—it has been argued that if a beneficial effect can be produced by a small number such large doses must of course be injurious—this argument, although plausible, is fallacious for experience(our only safe guide in such matters) aburrdantly teaches us that very large dose of the same medicine does not always produce a more violent effect a smaller one; and that the operation of a drug depends not always on its own intrinsic properties but on the particular circumstances under which it is administered—it will be necessary he to mention the fact acknowledged to me by the deceased, that so far from his being that robust hearty man some of the witnesses would instate, he had repeatedly been laid up with serious illness when abroad—not a very long time back, he was in the hospital, in Jamaica, for three months, with fever and never was able to do without taking immense doses of calomel, above 100 grains at a dose which he acknowledged if he was obliged to continue, would undermine his constitution; in fact, he was a bloated and a very bilious subject—the apothecary states, that he ordered him chicken broth instead of medicine e—of what use could such things be to a man in he state he was while the inflammatory action was allowed to go on unchecked? and that which before was entirely local being only in the knee, gradually extended itself up to he stomach, which was aided by the application of leeches depriving the knee of a part of its resting—it cannot he pretended for a moment that I attended him for again having never received or expected to receive any fee whatever, it being contrary to the terms of publicly offer; nor was the medicine even purchased of me; therefore, nothing but a desire to do him good could influence me in attending him. I will now just draw you attention to what has been sworn against time as as to my representing myself as a regular medical man—when I was informed on the Friday evening that they had called in a doctor I expressed a wish at al events to se the deceased, which the wire refused to allow me to do; and on my still urging the mater she fetched from the next room a person whom I did not then know, but whom I have since learnt, was Captain Allen; he in a very abrupt and unceremonious manner se asked me who I was and by whose authority I had been attending his friend, and if I had my diploma in my pocket; all of which was aid I breath and with great has t—I looked at him with surprise and sarcastically said, "Do you expect media men are in the habit of carrying this diplomas in their pockets? and as to my authority, I have a grater than any diploma could give me"(meaning thereby, that I considered my experience in this medicine superior to a diploma and which I am sorry to see, they have misconstrued to my prejudice)—and then I said, "I have attended here by the express wish or Captain M'Kenzie "Gentlemen I have never held myself out to the world as a medical practitioner; and it must have been perfectly well known to the family and friends to the deceased, that I was only what I ave always represented myself to be an agent for Morison's pills—I then repeated my wish to see the deceased; but he in an authoritative tone, me I should not, unless I liked to wait the arrival of the physician whom he expected very shortly—I replied, I would wait and did a considerable time but no physician made his appearance; and at last, on my urging injustice of preventing my seeing he deceased, who I knew in the morning of that day had every confidence in me, they last consented, and the wife accompanied me to his room when I was informed by the deceased, that it was contrary to his his wish that medical man had been called i, that his friends had

insisted on it; and also observed that Mr. Cumming on hearing he had been taking Morison's pills, said he was a poisoned man—knowing the bad effects which usually result from the doctor's treatment following the Hygean, I pointed out to him the folly of allowing his friends to interfere in a matter which so much concerned himself and of their pretending to judge of medicine which they confessedly knew nothing about—his answer was he was obliged to yield there being so many against him; and after taking me by the hand, and expressing in the warmest terms his thanks for my attention, requested that I would see him the following day. You will bear in mind this all took place when, according to the evidence of Mr. Cumming, he was in a state of collapse—I afterwards shortly protested to his friends against the course they were pursuing, and warned them of the probable consequences; at the same time adding the was in perfect safety if left to my treatment, of which I felt full convection—on the following day I went accompanied by Dr. Lynch, but we were positively refused admittance to his room by Mr. Gray and Captain Allen—we then went to Mr. Cumming, and asked him several questions—in reply to which, he said he thought the deceased would do well; but in his opinion, he had been over-purged, and he was endeavouring to give tone to the stomach; and now after bent there days under the doctor's hands his death is attributed tome, gentlemen I have now ben practising with this medicine nearly seven days, and within the last two or three years, the number of persons seeking my advice have increased considerably owing to the success which has attended my labours and in every instance my advice an attendance ha been perfectly gratuitous, Gentlemen, I would ask you, as fathers of families, whether you would not consider it tyranny in the extreme, if the law prevented your giving to your wives or your children, when ill, that which you would have every confidence is, and which you think would restore them to health—and recollect, the same law that would operate to prevent my administering to my fellow-creatmen that which I know will do them good, would also prevent you. Gentlemen I am so thoroughly convinced to the utter harmlsesseness of this medicine, as well as of its power in subding disease in all its shades and bearings that had I a thousand lives wold trust them all to this medicine—and I have reason for such confidence, having received immense benefit from it in my own person; therefore, personal experience is the basis on which I have ventured to administer it to others—I have had occasion severe attack of influenza, to take eighty pills per day; namely forty at nigh, and forty in the morning, an with the happiest results—I have had four of my own children ill of the scarlet fever, al cured by this medicine as well as whooping cough and measles with a variety of there complaints and is no instance has any other medicine been administered; and the result has invariably been successes—this is unlike the medical me, who very sparingly take themselves, or administer to their families, the drugs they send in such plenitude to their patients. Gentleman I call on you well to consider what may be the effect of your verdict in this case—you may, by a just verdict this day establish on a firm footing the medical liberty of the subject or by upholding prescriptive rights, for no other reason than because they have been hitherto upheld, support and perpetuate the most injurious domestic tyranny that can exist in society—give reason and free inquiry on this subject full scope an they will uphold the truth, by bringng false opinions and all the offspring of ignorance, prejudice, and selfinterest before their severe tribunal and subjecting them to the test of

close investigation. Gentlemen I ask of you justice—strict an unbending justice—it is not my cause alone, it is as much your own cause—if a monopoly in medical practice be upheld, no improvement can tae place, except from one of their own body—the only verdict which the evidence brought before you will warrant that of "NOT GUILTY." and which verdict, I am confident, will alone bear reflecting on by you—in fact any other verdict would be monstrous in the extreme, actuated as I have been by the very best feelings that ca possibly influence the human mid—that of doing my afflicted fellow creatures good—and the experience I have had, both on myself another, fully Justices me in advising the use of this medicine. Gentlemen, recollect that if medical gentlemen were successful in curing their patients there would be no room of the practice I am engaged in, as every on has a prejudice in favour of them, until they are taught by painful experience the truth, that their practices not based on those sound principles which insure success—this system of medicine is now become entirely a party afair—look a the immense power arrayed against it; namely, the entire medical body, which but few honourable exception—look at the influence this body of men have in society—the power the law has put into their hands)—a dangerous power, and one which however right items gone by is not fit to exist now—in many instances have I known in a country town a tradesman persecuted and deprived of his business, by the secret influence of the medical man of he place, merely because he was guilty of the crime to selling Morison's pills while his own medicines might sold with impunity—I merely rmention this to show that if it were not for the intrinsic worth of Morison's medicines in themselves. the opposition arrayed against them by the whole bodily of apothecaries and druggists would be more than sufficient to crush them; and should not the testimony of such men against this medicine of which they confessedly know nothing be at all events received with great caution? The doctors of the present day designate Harvey the great discoverer of of the circulation of the blood, immortal but they know that their medical forefathere considered him quack, and persecuted him because he had been hold enough to declare a great truth which truth was opposed to their preconceived notions—the public are now beginning to see that they are the greatest quacks who cannot cure heir patents; and they the best physicians who can cure them, whether licensed or unlicensed. Gentlemen I leave my case in your hands trusting you with do your duty in the first place to your own consciences, by an unprejudiced review of all the evidence brought before you; by which alone you can do your to that society for which form a part and of which you are hare as delegates. It appears to me there are two points of importance for your consideration in this case; first, was it or was it not a proper medicine to administer in this case? an the next point is was it administered in proper quantities?—a satisfactory answer to this question can only he had from the testimony of of those who have had practical experience in the mater, an snot from he speculative opinions of medical men, who confess they know nothing whatever of this medicine, having never analyse the pills, no have they ever used them—and cannot therefore be acquainted with their effects whether taken in less or in greater quantities, or, indeed, in any quantity at all—and beer in mind, it is not the supposed component parts of this medicine, and which are stated to be different by different chemists but the compound, as a whole, that determines its character.

JOHN BOOTH . I am a stone-mason and live in Rahere-street, Goswell-road. I am acquainted with Morison's pills—I was very unwell abut three or four years age, and began to take them—I bought them of Mrs. Poppen, in Wingrove place Goswell road—I began with about three, an increased the does up to about fifteen every night—I kept increasing and decreasing for ten months—the larges quantify I took was about fifteen—I have taken thirty at a dose—thirty at night and thirty in the mornings the alerts done I ever took—I have done that more than once for four days together, and then I diminished them down to twenty a twenty and twenty in the morning—in twenty days I took 1000 pills—that is at the rate of fifty a day—I derived great benefit from them—I know Mr. Salmon—he was not aware of my taking them at the commencement—but after taking them sometime, (seven or eight months ago,) before I commenced the large doses, I saw him—I found grater benefit from the large doses—I never found any benefit from the small doses until I went up by Mr. Salmon's directions to the large doses—I did not find my health improve under the small doses as I did under the large ones—Mr. Salmon directed me the at before I could reinstate my health, I must go up considerably higher form fifteen to twenty these to thirty night and morning and I did so—I was greatly relieve, and as a deal better now—I have not enjoyed such health for a along time.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Does the prisoner keep a tobacconist's shop in Farrigdon street? A. Yes, I sent for him, and he came to me occasionally—my complaint was general debility.

SIR FREDERICK POLLOCK . Q. Did Mr. Salmon take my fee, or give his advice gratuitously?—A. Gratuitously.

RICHARD GRANT . I keep the Harp Tavern, in Harp lane. From my infancy I had a complaint called the scurvy, and I had a stoppage in the urethra, and a fistuloe—I consulted a surgeon and he gave me medicines—I did not recover, and consulted another surgeon after that—in 1832 I had another fistulae, and consulted tow surgeons and an apothercary—what they gave me afforded some relief, but the complaint still reminded d—during my illness I had a servant name Jane Peacock and in consequence of what she said I began to take Morsison' pills—I commenced by taking five e—I increased hem—the greatest quantity I took before I saw Mr. Salmon was twenty, night and morning—I found relief from them—after taking them some time I was able to pass my water—about eight months before that I had been obliged to use an instrument and could not be a fortnight without the use of one—when I thought I was getting well I reduced the doses—after reducing them, I found myself sometime better, and sometime were—in consequence of that I consulted Mr. Salmon, and increased the doses under his advice—I have taken on hundred in a day and several times ninety—I only too on hundred; and at the present moment I am as well as I ever was in my life—the fastuleo I quite gone, and the stoppage of the urethra, and my strength restored—I occasionally take the pills now to keep my in health—about a week ago I to ten for a pain in my side—I am married, and have three children—my wife and children take these pills—my eldest child is about ten, and the youngest about five years old, and they take them with good effect—Mr. Salmon attended me altogether nearly twelve months—he did no take a farthing fee, and never thought of such a thing.

JURY. Q. You took them under Mr. Salmon's direction when you increased the dose? A. Yes—he described the different pills when I bought the box of him and advised me to take a few more of No.2 than No.1—I generally took ten more of one sort than another r—I took no. I at night.

and No.2 in the morning—f I took twenty, I might take two more of No. 1—that was by Mr. Salmon's directions.

JANE PEOCOCK . I am house keeper to Mr. Grant. About six years ago I was afflicted with a complaint in my breast, and all the way up my side, and in legs—I went into St. Bartholemew's Hospital, and came out again much better, but fell ill again gin about a month—I applied to several medical person—I began to take Morison's pill sin 1834—I took four of No.1 at nigh, an four of No. 2 in the morning after that, I went to Mr. Salmon get his advice e—I increased them before I went to him on my own judgement; and after going to him he told me to take thirty of No. 1 at night, and thirty of No.2 in the Martini—I found myself much better after—I then lived with Mr. Collins in Bartholomew-close, and was obliged to leave them off, a Mr. Collins wished me to go to the dispensary; but before that I wet to a physician—I went to live at Mr. Grant's in harp lane Las year—the swelling and pain in my legs had no come down the n—I ha do not come up to the proper quantity of pills—I then began with thirty nigh and morning under Mr. Salmon's direction and I increased them ten a time, and in five weeks I got up to one hundred and twelve of No. 2 at night when I went to bed—I took none in the morning—I have taken sixty at nigh, and sixty in the morning, an seventy—they ha a very good effect upon me—I got up in the morning and eat a hearty—I worked hard all day till half past twelve o'clock at night k—I had worked bandages on my legs for twelve years, and never had them on since—I never increased the pills without Mr. Salmon's directions—he never received any fee.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Did he desire you to take pills at night, and not in the morning? A. Yes; the large doses—it was by his desire.

MARTHA GOLDSMITH . I live in East-street, Commercial-road. In May last I was affected with illness, and I took Morison pills—six at night on my own accord—I was affected again in December, and want to Mr. Salmon for advice—he advised me to begin a whole course of the pills—to take three at nigh of No.1 and three in the morning of No.2—I went on increasing me till I got up to ten at night, and ten in the morning—I did not get better—I got down as two as five—I afterwards increased them till I got up to fifteen a at night and fifteen in the morning—I got up as high as forty at night of my own accord but not in the morning—Mr. Salmon attended me—he advised me to keep to fifteen might and morning—I did so—O did dot get to any high number under his advice e—I found myself relived by those doses—he took no money for his attendance.

JOHN PHILLIPS BILTON . I was afflicted with a diseased liver—eight or nine years ago was the commencement of it—I suffered very much indeed from it—I began to take Morison's pills about four years ago after being ill three or four year and after having violent in the stomach and head—my head was so affected, I could not walk two or three hundred yards without almost fatting after the least exertion—I took three pills at a time a first for few days—No.1 a night, and No.2 kin the morning—I understood that if I took No.1 a night, t I ought to take No. 2 in the morning—than was part of the directions gave me—I increased the dose up to sixteen night and morning—I think I continued from twelve to sixteen for three months—I got infinitely better—I began rapidly to get better—I began to get better in fourteen or fifteen day s—when I began to take twelve, I found a material improvement—the medicine operated powerfully—I took them for three months constantly—I have enjoyed almost

perfect health sine that I occasionally take them now if I feel a little indisposed in the stomach I ascribe the cure of my complaint entirely to the pills—the prisoner never took any fee.

ABIAH PIPPIN . I was in an ill state of health from my children up to a particular period—I consulted various, medical, men—I began to take Morison's pills about five years ago—I took four at first—I afterward increase them to six, an eight, and ten till I to to twelve at night and twelve in the morning; and afterwards to a much greater number—I have taken twenty of No.1 at night, and twenty of No.2 in the morning; and thirty of No.1 in the morning, and fifty of No.2, and then I was obliged to repeat he dose, an take twenty more—I have taken a hundred in a day of the two sorts, within twenty-four hours—they did me good—I am relieved from my complaint—I found the most benefit under the strong doses—I have not taken any other medicine for the last five years, and attribute my good health to these pills—I ave become a distributor of them—I have consulted Mr. Salmon—it was under his directions that I took the strong dose—he always treated me with great kindness and attention he never charged me a single farthing for advice—I never paid him an thing.

JURY Q. Did you buy your pills of Mr. Salmon? A. Yes.

MARIA DODSON . I am single. I was afflicted with rheumatic gout for four yeas and consulted a surgeon living I Wilderness-row and got some little relief—in November 1831, I was attacked with again in my hands and body—I consulted another physician, who prescribed for me; and finding myself worse, I went to another physician living in Bucklersbury—he ordered me to the sea side, but I did to go—from advice I took Culverwell's medical and vapour baths—I found no relief from them or other remedies which were recommended—I at last began to take Morison's pills—I began with three at night—I afterwards consulted the prisoners and acted under his advice—I generally took them at night, from three to fifteen, and then up to thirty—the prisoner did not advice more than fifteen, but I increased them to thirty—finding and fifteen relieve me I doubled the dose—I have taken thirty since by his advice—I found them materially relive me, and told him so, and he advised me to continue thirty—thirty is the most I have taken at night—I have taken twenty at night and twenty in the morning for five days—Mr. Salmon never took any fee form me whatever—I found myself very much relived indeed by the pills—I take them occasionally now—I have taken sixty-five in one day by Mr. Salmon's advice and with good effect—when I got seven better he advise me to reduce them.

HENRY ROBSON KNIGHT . I am a grocer and live in Union street, Lambeth. About four years ago I was attacked with an ulcerated sore throat—I have taken Morisone's pills—I began to take them in April, three years ago—I had been before under the care of medical gentlemen, and did not derive benefit form them—I began by taking six pill at tonight—I continued to take that quantity for about six weeks—I did not take any in the morning—I increased the dose to ten and from that to fifteen—I consulted Mr. Salmon after taking me nearly two years—he advised me to take forty of No. 2 at night, and none in the morning—I continued to take forty for five nights running—I felt weak, but I felt the disorder better—I gradually reduced them after that, and my health was restored—I had been labouring under this sore throat for three years and a half altogether—Mr.

Salmon never attended me—I bought the pills at his shop—he took no fee for his advice.

ROBINSON M'CLAREN . I am a lightermen, and live in Enoch court, Goodman's fields. In October last three of my children were very ill, and attended by a medical man—I ha the misfortune to lose tow of them—the third was apparently going just the same way an I gave it some of Morison's pills by the prisons's advice—the child was six years old—this is the little boy—I began with No.1 at nigh, giving him one pill night and morning and increase it till I got up to twelve night and morning—he took that medicine of three weeks and a the end of that tie he was as well a she is now—he is quite well now he is the only one saved to me out of the three—it was scalatima, which turned to dropsy and water on the chest—he appeared, I thought, as bad as his brothers—Mr. Salmon Charted nothing or his advice—he came to see the children as a friend.

PETER HENRY MOLEE . I am a watch maker, and live in Wilderness-row, Clerkenwell, In October last I had a child who was ill—it was twenty months old—I had before that taken Morison's pills myself with good effects—my child had an extreme inflammation of the chest, attended with great difficulty of breathing and loss of flesh, which had affected her for six months but she got worse—I gave her abut four of Morison's pills, not altogether, but in separate dose, on every day for abut four days—I found she got no better, and a friend advise me to us something else, which I did not like—I applied to Mr. Salmon at leas to his wife—she said he would call and see the child—he did call; and under his advice I gave her five of No.2 a tonight—it seemed to do her good—I increased it to six, by Mr. Salmon's advice at night, but no money—I only did that one night—I contained to give her five or six for about four days—they purged her, and produced sickness, and relieved her, and brought her completely round—she is now a fine healthy child—Mr. Salmon behaved with great kindness and he did not charge a a farthing of his attendance—I offered it to him and he would dot take it—I only wen to his house to buy pills.

HENRY SAUNDERS . I am a gentleman, living on my property. I was first attacked with the jaundice six or seven years ago—I consulted medical practitioners—I use to be seized all in a moment with violent pain under the first rib—so very violent thqt it was with difficulty I could get from the parlour to my bed-room—the attack was so violent that I could feel a little substance, about the size of a walnut, internally, in the place where I felt the pain—I then immediately use to send for my medical men—I found a partial relief from them, but did not recover—I began to take Morison's pills in February, 1839—I commenced with six of No.1—I was attacked with acute pain in the way I have described several times—I increased the pills up to twelve—after taking them some time a substance was ejected from my stomach—it appeared the half of kind of fleshy tube—I continued to take the pills for a considerable time—I increase the dose beyond the twelve—twenty two was the most I ever took at a time, and I repeated the same dose in three hours after—I did not consult the prisoner—he was unknown tome at that time—I have since known him but I have not taken pills under his direction—the pills I took have completely restored me to health—three days after I left off the heavy doses I was enabled to go to Liverpool outside a coach—I had great prejudice against these pills at first—my health his now better then it has been for years before—I was always very susceptible taking cold, an now that is not the case.

REV GEORGE GRIMSTEAD . I am a clergyman of the Established church, and officiate at Margaret street chapel Cavendish-square. I was labouring under great derangement of he lath for some years previous to the last eight or nine months—during that it me I consulted an eminent physician in Locater—I did not derive benefit from the prescriptions—a few months since I was indue to try Morsson's pills—I commenced with four in the margining of Nos.1 and No.2 alternately—I took them every morning—I took advice in the first instance from Mr. Twell—he is an agent for the sale of the pills in Red Lion square—from his advice I incresed the dose gradually up to twenty—I took the twenty in the morning—I took none eat night at when I took twenty—I took twelve at night and fifteen in the morning at one period, but my usual number was about twelve—I took No. 1 at night and No.2 I the morning—the large doses acted more powerful as purgative—they gave me greater relief—I continued taking them for three months—my health has been improved by taking them.

JANE CROFT . I have take Morison's pills—I began to take three about two years ago I got them from Mr. Salmon—the complaint I took them for I had had from my childhood—I took them night and morning—I cannot tell the largest dose I ever took, for I took them in powders—I took them constantly for six months—my health is much better—I have continued well ever since—Mr. salmon charged me nothing for advice nor for medicine either.

WILLIAM WITT . I am a shoemaker. I have ben Morison's Pills myself, and give them to my wife and children—a great quantity—my wife has taken sixteen of a morning and sixteen at night—she had the influenza—she took the for three days and recovered—I gave my children eight in the morning and eight at night—I have taken myself twelve at night but none in the morning—I found nothing but good to arise from them—it cured my wife and myself—one child of the small pox—there was no charge on me for attendance.

WILLIAM MORRIS . I am a type founder, and live in Roupel-street, Lambert. I took Morsion'; spills for five or six months constantly, both No.1 an No. 2—I began with five at night and five in the morning—I increased them it thirty six the highest—I recovered at the end of the time, and have continued well ever since, except now and then a cold—Mr. Salmon charged me nothing for attendance.

THOMAS SORREL . I am beaker, land live in Milton street Fore street. I laboured under a complication of disorders—one was inflammation of the lungs—I was attended by medical advisers, and at last began, about four years ago, to take Morison's pills No.1 and No.2 morning and night—I have taken various doses, from ten to twelve—I seldom took them in the morning—I have taken them up to fifty, and from that to one hundred—I never experienced any illness from taking them—I consifer myself a perfectly cured man from that medicine alone—I did not see Mr. Salmon on the occasion.

RICHARD LINTON . I am carpenter and undertaker. In 1823 I was seized with debility and weakness—I continued unwell a long time—I consulted several persons, and among others the late Mr. Abernethy—they did not cure me—my wife had been in the habit of taking Morsion' pills to a very great extent and I began to take them myself—I at first took four nigh and fur in the morning—when the cholera was about I was attacked with it my—body was affected with sickness and extreme debility,

and pains in my bowels an cramps—I was severely ill—I took fifteen of No.2 abut this time in the afternoon, when I came home, and about ten o'clock in the evening, took twenty of no.1—I was not relieved to any great extent at first—when I awoke kin the morning the pains continued and more acutely that a first, with a complete prostration of strength and my wife gave me fifteen of O.2 k—I took my breakfast after that quest comfortably and between nine and ten o'clock I took, fifteen more—in the course or twenty fur hors I took sixty of No.2, and twenty of No. 1—they operated severely and next day I went about my usual business—I occasionally take them since, a tall time when I want medicine—my wife consulate Dr. Babington among other physicians—she ins much better than she was, by using the pills—she is decidedly much stronger than she has been for ten years.

WILLIAM AVEY . I am a silk weaver, and live in chapel yard, Spitedfields, I was in a bad state of health from an obstruction in the bowels, rupture, and ulcers breaking out it my body—I began to taken Morison's pills in July 1832—I took twelve a day in one dose, is the morning of No.2—I did not take any at night—I afterwards increased the desest—one hundred in each dose was the greatest dose, and on one ocassion I took 160 in twenty-one hours—that was on the 1st of January, 1833—on January the 7th I took fifty, and on the 9th of February one hundred of No.2 all in one dose—on the 21st I took seventy, and construed taking twelve a day until he 12th of march—I then took fifty, and on the 13th fifty—I reduced them, sometimes higher and sometimes lower, as I felt myself—I continued taking them for nineteen months on that occasion—they have much improved my health, infarct entirely restored me so that I was able to go to my employment—the rupture is entries cured—on the 5th of November I had an attack of rheumatic fever and the first doses I took was one hundred—I repeated the dose of one hundred the two following days which was 300 in three days—I tock them installed doses afterwards—they perfectly cured me.

MR. BODKIN. Q. It cured your rupture? A. Yes.

JURY Q. How long were you ruptured? A. from 1829 to 1833.

JOSEPH HICKMAN . On the 26th of September, 1832, I was attacked with bilous fever—I was ill for a month and three days—I took Morison's pills by the advice of Mr. Salmon—I was living with him at the time—I used to take form ten twenty of Nos. 1 and 2—on the 26th, going on to bed, li took twenty of no.2 and in the mourning I took fifteen of no.1—I went on taking them for a fortnight, from twenty to thirty five a day—I was cured, and have been well ever since, with the exception of cold.

JURY Q. Are you correct in saying No.2 at nigh, and No. 1 in the morning? A. Yes—I took them alternately.

GEROGE PEARCE . I am a cheesemonger and grocer, and live on Cock-hill, Ratcliff, In 1831 I was attacked with a violent compaint—I had advice, but did not follow it: and in 1833 I took Morison's pills—I conmmended with taking five at night and five in the morning—No.1 at first at night, and afterwards I took No.1 and 2 altermatey—I increased the doses gradually up to twenty and thirty for eight of nine months daily and after that I took more e—I took 850 pills in fourteen successive day, sixty a day—I continue taking them up to he present day—I have taken 20, 000 in the curse of two years, two parts or the stronger power—my health is quite restored—I do not know the prisoner.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Perhaps you can tell me what the 20, 000 coat you? A. 22l.

JOHN LINCOLN . I have been a surgeon for thirty five years, I have served in the East Indies and various parts—I live in Northalerton, in Yorkshire, which is 232 miles from here—I have come here voluntarily to give evidence to-day—in 1813, immediate on my arrival form India, I was seized with epileptic fits—I was also afflicted with rheumatic gout twenty three years, at different periods, and I had a disease of the liver and erysipelas—I had the first advice—the bled and blistered me, and mercurialised me, and they applied all the prescriptions within the knowledge of the faculty, as far as I know—it relived me for a time, and I relapsed afterwards about six months ago I was on crutches, and could not leave my bed without assistance—I gave the faculty up I had been twenty there years consulting them—I had heard of the cure of a lady of tile, and began to take Morison's pills—I began to take in the first dose and ten the second—I took ten in twelve hours—I speak from memory—on the fourth dose I felt great relief—after the fourth dose my leg assumed a healthy appearance—I become relived and am well now (striking his side)—I was not able to strike my side before, without giving myself great torture—I do not feel the least pain now—I have taken seventy pills a day, thirty-five night and morning every day for one month—one night in particular, I remember awaking in dreadful pain and torture I think it was the middle of last December—I felt violent pain at the lower part of the abdomen, and a cold chilly sensation from head to foot—I had some blankets and warm bricks applied and after that I took thirty-five pills—I had previously during the day, taken three doses twenty five each, of No. 1—I took thirty five of No. 2, dissolved—I was two hours in agonising pain, and after taking that, in an hour and a half I had several foetid black vacations and was relieved—I fell asleep, and slept till ten o'clock in the morning—I then awoke, and was very comfortable a able to eat my breakfast very well indeed, and had a fine glowing heat over my body—I am snow better than I have been for fifteen years.

STEPHEN PRESCOTT . I am a whitesmith, an dove in Worcester-place, Worcester street, Borough, In February, last year, I had an attack of rheumatism—I was very ill, an confined to my bed—I took Morison's' pills—I took at first twenty of No. 1 at night, and twenty of No. 2 in the morning—I increased the dose to thirty in the morning and thirty in the evening—I gradually then reduced them—I quite recovered, and am now in good health.

THOMAS TERRY . I am a cheesemonger, I have taken pills for five or six months—I took from five to eighteen twenty, generally at night—when I was going to market I took them in the morning, that it might not interfere with my pursuits—I took them for six months—I find myself recovered—I had tried a variety of medicine without effect—I find myself completely cured by the pills.

MARY WADMAN . I was very unwell some time ago—I was never well from my childhood. I had reason to belive my lungs were affected, and my live—I began to take Morison's pills four years ago, and occasionally ever since—the largest dose I took was twenty five of no.2—I commenced at No.1—I took four of No. 1 at night—the largest dose I ever took of No. 1 was twenty and twenty-five of No.2—I took them for three months—I was very much better—I am much better then I used to be—I took Morison's pills for three months when I first began and I took every strong

doses after that—I have taken thirty five twelve hours—I have sometimes taken them twice and three times a day—I cannot say how many at a dose.

THOMAS HUDSON . I formerly lived at Carlisle, I now live at Portsea. While I was at Carlisle the cholera came there—I was at the time a distributor of Orison' spills—the chalets Was very bad there—I gave Morison's pills to from 150 to 200 patents—the cases were generally serious cases—they all recovered except three.

COURT Q. What all the people in Carlisle who had the colera? A. No, all that I attended.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. What sort of doses did you give them? A. From twenty to twenty five e; and I have given 120 between night and morning—I gave generally twenty five at a time—I sometime repeated it in three hours, sometimes in six an sometime sin twelve—I have had equal success with them where I now live—I remember a Mrs. Mullet her complaint was gall-stones I cured her—I did to give either above fifteen—that was the highest dose I gave her, and that once a day—it was a chronic disease—my wife was taken ill after her lying in—I gave hr some the thirst week of her lying in—I gave her about ten or eleven a day—it was for piles, produced by extreme labour—that cured her—I have administered the pills for nearly every disorder—its general result has been to the satisfaction and cure of the patent s—I continue to distribute them to this hour.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Are you what is called a practicing Hygeist? A. Yes, that is my profession—I was not brought up to the medical science—I was a teacher of the English language grammatically—I had a school of my own—I was living a North shields at he time—by a chronic disorder, I mean any disorder that is above ten days old.

MR. ADOLPHUS? Q. Has success attended you practice? A. Yes, I have no hand in compounding the pills—I distribute them as I have them—is November 1834, I attended Mr. John Coburn, at Carlisle—he had a rheumatic fever—I gave him about fifty pills the first four days, and then he imprudently eat mutton contrary to my wish—it brought on inflammation of the chest, and I had to give him seventy pills a day—with the last dose I gave him he was very much pained in the lower part of his bowels, and I thought, from the quantity I had given, ten more would do—he said he would rather take twenty, which he did—and the result was it brought away the matter which was the cause of his complaint—if too am all a dose is given a large dos reworks it off—Coburn was quite recovered and well when I left Carlisle—I never knew a person poisoned by them.

MR. BODKIN. Q. How are you paid for distributing the pills—have you a commission on the quantity you get rid of? A. Yes.

GEORGE TUCKER . I am an accountant. I have six children—I have administered Morison's pills to the whole of them—a first from the advice of my friends—I afterwards saw Mr. Salmon about one of my children—the first child I gave them to was after he was given over by the doctors, for an affection of the mesentery glands—the child could not be worse, to be alive—I began with four pills, and went up to fourteen at night and fourteen in the morning of No.1 and No.2—the child was about eight years old—he took them for four months—ere he is—it is five years ago since he took them—he has has no ailment since, except cold—I had another child ill with fever—he began eight pills, and increased to twelve, night and morning—Mr. Salmon visited the child—he took the

pills for about a fortnight and is quite cured—Mr. Salmon took nothing for his attendance—he gave his advice quite gratuitously.

GUILTY. Aged 36.—Recommended to mercy, in consequence of his not being the compounder of the deleterious pills in question — Fined 200l .

NEW COURT—Wednesday, April 4th, 1836.

Fifth Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-907
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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907. RICHARD MORRIS was indicted for stealing on the 28th of March, 1 coat, value 2l. the goods of William Perkins.

WILLIAM PERKINS . I am in the employ of Mr. Vigor a carpenter On the 28th of March, I left my coat in his stable, in Whitefriars—I returned in about three minutes and missed it—this is it—I don't know the prisoner.

JOSEPH FIELD . I am a carpenter and live at Newinton. On the 28th of March, I saw the prisoner go into the stable without this coat, and came out in less than a minute with it on his arm—I gave him into custody.

THOMAS FENN . (City police constable, No. 16.) I took the prisoner with the coat on his arm.

Prisoner's Defence. My head was had, bad I had a piece of my skull taken off—I was going into the hospital—I had been days without food.

GUILTY Aged 40— Confined Two Days.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-908
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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908. EDWIN DEBDIN was indicted for stealing on the 19th of February 1 pair of trousers vale 5s. and 2 coats value 5l. 10s. the goods of Caleb Robinson, his master.

CALEB ROBINSON . I reside in Holborn and am a tailor and draper. The prisoner was in my service from either to nine moths—he slept in our house—I occasionally gave him a few halfpence—I took him out of charity and kindness to his father who was in very distressed circumstances—he entreated me to take him, if I gave him only victuals—Mr. Boyce, a pawnbroker, lives near me—in consequence of what he said to me, I called in a policeman—the prisoner was in the shop—he searched him, and on his person were found these two duplicate—I asked him what made him do so to me, who had been his friend—he made no reply—these are my trousers and coats—they are new—I searched all the prisoner's old clothes, and in the fob pocket of a pair of old trousers, I found the duplicates of some other articles of mine.

HENRY NEWCOMB . I am shopman to Mr. Boyce, of Holborn. I produce one pair of trousers which I took in, I believe of the prisoner—this duplicate corresponds with what I have got.

HENRY RADDELL . I am an apprentice to Mr. Dry, a pawnbroker, who lives in St. Martin's lane—this coat was pledged but the person who took it in has left our service—his duplicate corresponds with the on that we have.

GUILTY . Aged 14— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-909
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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909. CHARLES SELLICK was indicted for stealing, on the 1st of March, 1 shawl, value 4s. 1 pair of snuffers value 6d. and 1 tray, value 6d. the good of Thomas Sellick; and the the had been before convicted of felony.

THOMAS SELLICK I live in New North street, Red Loin square, and am a boot and shoemaker. The prisoner is my son—on the 7th of March I had a shawl an a pair of snuffers and a tray—my wife missed them on my return home about half past ten o'clock in the wife morning-these are my property.

WILLIAM DAWSON (police sergeant E 5.) I apprehended the prisoner, and charged him with taking a shawl, a pair of suffers as try—he said he had sold the shawl at a house I St. Giles's—I went there and found this shawl—I found the snuffers and tray at a pawnbrokers's which he describer.

JAMES GILL . I live in Willmott street, Brunswick square. I took in this pair of snuffs and tray of the prisoner—I thought he was a customer's son first of all, and said, "Is your name Franklin?"—he said, "Yes, it is "—I then asked him particularly, I he was sure his mother had sent him—he said, "Yes".

W. SULLIVAN (police constable C 120) I produce certificate of the prisoner's former conviction which I got from the clerk of the Indictments office—(read)—he is the boy.

GUILTY . Aged 14— Transported for seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-910
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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910. WILLIAM CLARK and JOHN JONES were indicted for stealing on the 20th of march, 1 handkerchief, value 4s. the goods of Joseph Scarth Pollock, from his person.

JOSEPH SCARTH POLLOCK . I live in Prince's square, St. Geroge's in-the East. On the 20th of March I was at an office in Three King-court, Lombard street where my father carries on business—I went from there to Cheapside, about twenty minutes past seven o'clock in the evening—I had a handkerchief in my pocket and near Bow Church, a person came behind me, and asked if I had lost any thing—I felt in my pocket, and missed my handkerchief,—I went a way book, and found the prisoner in custody of two witnesses—one of them had my handkerchief in his hand d—this is it.

JOHN SMITH . I am an officer of cheap Ward. I was son duty about twenty minutes past seven o'clock that evening, in the Poultry, and watched the two prisoners form the Poultry to Bow Church—they were conversing together—another was with them, who has escaped—I saw Clark go behind Mr. Pollock lift up his pocket and tae something from it with his left hand a pass it to Jones—I caught him and sent a person after Mr. Pollock—when I caught hold of him this handkerchief was thrown down by one of hem—I could no say who.

Clark If he was swear enough to see what I did he must have seen what it was. Witness. I was not near enough to see what he took, nor what it was when he passed it.

Clark's Defence. I am entirely innocent. On this Sunday evening I left my mother 'house din Globe lane to go and bid my uncle farewell, as I was going to New York—I was in company with no one—I saw two young men, but I could not say this young man was one—I remember following them as far as Bow Church—I saw them turn up turning—I wen ton, and proceeded about 100 yards, still following the prosecutor and the officer came and took the handkerchief from me which my fellow prisoner has round his neck now—that was the one that I threw from me—I did not know this prisoner before—but I lent him the handkerchief when we were taken.

COURT to JOHN SMITH. Q. Are you able to swear that Clark is the person who put his hand into the prosecutor's pocket and took something from it? A. Costively—he took something and handed it to Jones.

Clark. I was above 100 yards foam this man—he brought me back—I pointed to the handkerchief which was lying in he road.

CLARK— GUILTY . Aged 20.

JONES— GUILTY . Aged 21.

Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-911
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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911. WILLIAM SANDERSON was indicted for feloniously receiving, on the 13th of February, 2 chaise saddles, value 20s. 2 cruppers value 3s.; 2 breaching, value 3s.; 2 pair of reins, value 20s.; 1 pair of hames value 20s. and 1 pair of traces value 3s. the goods of William Woods, well knowing them to have been stolen.

WILLIAM WOODS . I live at Coodham in Kent. I lost this harness in the night, between the 6th and 7th of January, 1835, from my stable—I heard that a neighbour lost a cart the same night.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. You lost it in January, 1835? A. Yes—I saw it again on the 6t of April 1835, in possession of Pye the constable.

ISAAC PYRE . I am constable of Barnett. I am was searching the prisoners premises in Spitalfields on the 13th of February, 1835, and found part of this harness and part of it in a stable in Red Lion street, Spitalfields—on the 6th of April following Mr. Woods came and owned the harness in my possession—it was part in the prisoner's house, and part in his stable—he said it was brought there by his son—I said I had found it in his possession, and took it.

GEOREGE WARDLE . I am constable of South Mims. I was present wen Pye found the harness—one part it hung in the stable—I took Straford into custody who keeps the stale and took this prisoner the same night on suspicion of horse stealing.


4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-912
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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912. JOSEPH WIDDOWSON was indicted for stealing, on the 4t of March 1 coat, value 30s. and 1 cloak, value 3l. the goods of Thomas Parry.

THOMAS PARRY . I live at Barnsbury street Islington. I had a coat and cloak on the 6th of March—I saw them safe a little before nine o'clock in the morning. hanging on a rail lin the passage—I did not mils them till I was told of it by the officer who has possession of hem there of four days after—this is my property.

BENJAMIN WORRALL . I am servant to Mr. Holland, a butcher, who lives at, No.7, Lower road, Islington. At 10 clock on the morning of the 4th of march, I saw the prisoner and a companion I Barns bury street—the prisoner went up to the prosecutor's door—I do not know whether the servant came or not, but I came by directly—I saw him go, and I saw him in the passage there—he came out and ran by me with he thing sin his arms—the cloak appeared like this one—I could not see the coat—I followed them and the prisoner put the cloak into a bag in Barnsbury-place—the bag, after the things were put in it was given to the other man—I followed them till I saw a policeman and told him of it—the other man chaucked the

bag down and run away—the policeman took the prisoner, and then picked the bag up.

Prisoner. He stated before the Magistrate that at half past eleven o'clock he saw me knock or ring and during the time he was passing he saw me talking to a female and while se was gone I went in—and now he dose not say that. Witness. I saw him put his hand on the rails, where the bell is—I did not see him ring.

COURT. Q. You said, "I saw a servant woman come ah he must have said something, because she went in and left the door open." Do you mean to say you saw the servant-woman come? A. I thought I saw the woman a he door—I saw him go to a house opposite, and then a woman came and shut the door in his face an then he went to this door—I thought I saw a woman there.

Prisoner. Q. Did you see me talking to a female at Mr. Parry's door? A. No, I did not—I saw him with his hands of the railing and I thought he rang he bell, and somebody answered the doorhe turned his head, as if he was talking to somebody.

WILLIAM KER (police constable, N 131.) I saw the prisoner on the 4th of March, a about half past eleven 'cloak—the witness came to me, and told me these two men were down River lane, with a bag—I went after them—the other man ha of hte bag—the prisoner was in company with him—they were walking—but when they saw me, one ran one way and one another—the prisoner ran a small distance and returned opposite to where the bag was—I secured him, and then took the bag with this property in it.

Prisoner. Q. You swear than I was sin company with the man that threw the bag away? A. Yes you were.

Prisoner's Defence. This lad ha sworn falsely—he said he saw me knock or ring at the door of Mr. Parry, and now he says he did not.

GUILTY . Aged 30— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-913
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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913. ABRAHAM JENKISON was indicted for stealing on the 29th of March 1 handkerchief value 1s. the goods of John Simpson from his person.

JOHN SIMPSON . I live at Newington butts, On the 28th of March I was coming from Shutwark, over London bridge, between seven and eights o'clock at night—in passing over he bridge, near fishmonger's hall, I saw three men near me—I walked on to the print shop, near the ham-and beef shop. and was completely pinned in by three men—I made a wrench to get out of their hands, and placed my hand on my book, as I had just came from the Borought bank—I felt a man's fingers under my book—I wrenched myself round, and seized the prisoner by the neck—I said, "You cannot get from me you have robbed me"—a man came up and said."He has picked your pocket of you handkerchief"—the prisoner then dropped it, and I put my foot on it—the person that pinned me were the same as I had seen before, and the prisoner was one of them—I saved my book—I had observed three very suspicious-looking men against Mr. Humphry's tavern but I could not say that the prisoner was one of them.

Prisoner. The handkerchief was put on my arm by a young man. Witness. No, you dropped it from your sleeve—the other man was much shooter he endeavouered to trip me up.

ALEXANDER DUNK . I was crossing over to King William street—just

as I got opposite Effingham and Wilson's I saw the prisoner take his hand from the gentleman's pocket as the handkerchief in it—I collarad him, and so did the prosecutor—there were two others who ran away.

Prisoner. I had nobody with me—a man took it and threw it on my arm—I told the gentleman that was the man, and he said he would not go after him.

GUILTY Aged 13— Transported for Fourteen Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-914
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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914. RICHARD LAMB was indicted for embezzlement.

WILLIAM COOK . I am a glass grinder, The prisoners my service—it was his business to take out goods, and to receive money for them—he was my weekly servant—he had no profit on the goods he took out—I gave him 11s. a week, and his tea night and morning—I deal with a person named Thomas Ayres—the prisoner never gave me 19s. 10d. or 7s. 10d., which he received.

THOMAS AYRES . I live in Great Bath-street Clerkenwell. I deal with Mr. Cook—I received some goods on the 13th of February and gave the prisoner 19s. 10d—I gave him a soverign and he gave me 2l. change.

WILLIAM PENTON . I am a glazier. I deal with Mr. Cook—I received some goods from Mr. Cook—I; paid the prisoner 7s. 10d. for his master.

Prisoner. I got behind a coach and the sovereign was lost—I spent the 7s. 10d.

GUILTY Aged 18— Confined One Month.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-915
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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915. HENRY MOULD was indicted for embezzlement to which he pleaded

GUILTY Aged 29— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-916
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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916. DAVID DONALDSON was indicted for stealing on the 28th of March, 2 half crowns 3 shillings and 2 six pences, the monies of Charles Barrington Jacobs his master; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 50— Confined six Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-917
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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917. GEORGE CRUMPTON was indicted for stealing on the 12th of March 4 pairs of shoes, value 12s. the goods of George Yapp.

GEORGE YAPP . I live in Sloane street Chaelsea, an dam a shoemaker—the prisoner was in my employ four years next July. On the 12th of March, I found four pair of women's shoes in copper hole, in a room where the prisoner cut leather—I left them there, and watched, and when the prisoner left me about eleven o'clock a tonight I went down, and the shoes were gone—I gave notice to the serjeant, who was waiting opposite my house, calling out to him that he prisoner had go them—y the time I got up, I further shoes in the serjeants' hands—these are them—they are all mine.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Did you examine the shoes you found in the copper hole? A. Yes—I found them there in ht morning, between ten and eleven o'clock—there is a mark by which I know them—the prisoner has been in my service of four years next July—I had known him, I believe, twenty years before that—he has been in business, and been unfortunate e—he ha conducted himself honestly up to this this e—he has a wife and a very large family—I was not aware that he was distressed.

GEORGE THATCHER (police serjeant B 17.). I was directed to watch this house—I saw the prisoner come out—I stopped him, and found these four pari of shoes in his cat pocket.

(Daniel Oberry, I his Edeware road; Henry Harrod, a shoe maker, gave the prisoner a good character.)

GUILTY Aged 45— Confined Three months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-918
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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918. CHARLOTTE WILLIAM was indicted for stealing on the 6th of march 3 rings value 12s. 3 breast pins value 4s. part of a brooch, value 1s. 1 handkerchief value 9d. 1 bonnet value 10s. 1 tippet, value 1l. 1 pair of stockings value 6d. 1 shawl, value 1s. the goods of James Watson Jewitt.

JAMES WATSON JEWITT . I live in Half moon creacent Islliton and am a clerk. The prisoner cam to live with me on the 23rd of February; and on Sunday evening the 6th of March I went out about five o'clock, leaving her in house alone—I came back at twenty minuets after seven o'clock—I found of the door open and no one at house—I and my wife looked about and missed the things stated in the indictment—these are them.

JAMES DELLINGHAM . I live in Eagle street, Red Lion square—these rings and silk handkerchiefs, and other things, were brought to my room at half pas seven o'clock in the evening on Sunday the 6th of march by the prisoner—I sad I would not let her have at them again—I thought she had not come honestly them—she said he was going back to her masters and she went sway—I took them to Mr. Jewitt.

MARY PERYOR . I live in Hyde street Bloomsbury—I met the prisoner with this tippet has bonnet on—I stopped her and told her she had stolen Mrs. jewitt's bonnet and tippet—she hesitated a minute, then pulled them off and gave hem to me.

GUILTY Aged 16—Recommended to mercy by the prosecute and Jury .

Confined Three Days.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-919
VerdictsNot Guilty > unknown

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919. ANN WOODWARD was indicted for stealing on he 16th of January from the person of Lucy Hannah Townshend 2 purses value 2s. 2 sovereigns 1 crown-piece, 1 shilling 4 sixpencees and 4d. in copper monies and 1 £10 Bank note; the goods and monies of John Townshend; and GEORGE CAYLOCK for receiving the said Bank not e, well knowing it to have been stolen against he state &c.

MR. PAYNE conducted the Prosecution.

LUCY HANNAH TOWNSHEND . I am the wife of John Townshend and live at Mr. Sacheverell's Earl street Lisson grove, On the 19th of January receive two £10 and four £5 bank notes and four sovereigns and 3s. 7d. as a chancery dividend—on the 16th of January, one £10 note there seethings, and 1s. were left—on that day I was in company with the prisoner Wood and Ann Thorup—he is sister to the young amn my daughter is married to—I exchanged one of the sovereigns that day a the Carpenter's Arms and among the change I remember particular that I received a crown piece—I do not at all recollect what the other money was—the £ 10 note was in a steel purse in my left hand pocket—the other money was in my right hand pocket in a green and brown net purse—I remember fainting at he Carpenter Arms—I had just recovered from a server fit of illness—no one Ann Woodward and Ann Thorp were in the room with me—I know I had the money safe early in the morning because I was constantly feeling to see if it was safe,

and being a steel purse, I could feel it—the prisoner wood went home with me—when I got home I saw my son—he said, "Mother, is your money right?I suspect from the company you have been in, wiht Ann Woodward; you had better see"—I cannot say whether the prisoner was there—she came afterwards because she was scarched in he room—I accused her of robbing me as found I had lost my money—she refused to be searched, but she was partially searched by my daughter—after she was searched, we fetched a policeman, and she was taken to the station-house, and then to Marylebone-office—two sovereigns and a five-shilling-piece were found upon he r—I had been drinking two or three glassed of brandy-and-water—it was between one and two o'clock—I had been very ill, and of course I was overcome with taking so small a quantity—I should think I did not take half a glass myself—my steel purse was brought to me by Edward Sacheverel, on the Sunday morning, the 16h—I kept it till Caylock was taken, and then I gave it to the police-serjeant—Woodward was discharge at the office—my daughter and my landlady were there.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. This poor woman was taken by you before the magistrate? A. Yes—that was before I got the steel purse—se was taken on Saturday evening—she was then at liberty till about the 12th or 13th of February—on the 11th of February the note was paid I—he must have been a full fortnight a liberty—I saw Woodward first about nine o'clock clock in the morning—I called for her at her own house—I slept at home on the Friday night before the Saturday—I can swear that—I do not mean to swear it—I did not understand you—I did not swear that I slept at home on the Friday before the Saturday that I was robbed—I did not sleep at home—I do not wish to swear to any thing—I did not sleep at home e—I know Harry Bailey—I do not know whether I am bound to answer as to where I slept—I am not at all afraid if I do answer that the Jury will not belive me—I never swore that I slept at home on the Friday—I first saw Harry Bailey that morning just before I went to Woodward's—I me him in the street.

Q. Do you mean to swear that? A. No, Sir I do not swear that—I do not consider that I am bound to answer all these questions—I saw him in a room before I saw him in the street that morning—I did not say that I saw him in the street first—I had not drank any thing before I went to Woodward's house—I sent for something to drink when I got there—I do not recollect whether I told them where I had slept nor whether I mentioned the name of Harry Bialy—I do not think I said that I had slept with him—I have a doubt abut it—I do not know whether I did or not.

Q. Do you know No.30 Stafford street? A. I dare say there may be such a number—I will not swear that I told the prisoner or her mother whether I sleep there or not—we sent for some rum and gin in the prisoner's house—I paid for it—I ate say I partook of it—I cannot tell how much I had, nor how much was sent for, nor how much I paid—I think the prisoner the person we sent—I cannot tell whether it was one quarten of each or more—I do not think I took both—I dare say I partook of either the rum or gin at the prisoner's mothers, Mrs. Large's—I was quite sober when I left the hose—I then went to the Carpenter's Arms—I did not go home, because Ann Thorp, who was with me, asked me to go to see a friend—we had two or three gassers of brandy-and-water in the Carpenter Arms—I cannot say how much I drank—I fainted—on my return ho we went into Mr. Alimores's the Champion—the prisoner paid for what was had there—I had had about two glasses of sherry the

night before and nothing else—I will not swear whether I had any spirits—my daugher will tell you what I did—I saw a little Italian boy playing in Church-street—I did not dace, not I did not get into a row a tall at Mr. Dallimoe's—there was an altercation—a policeman did not persuade me to go to the Champion that I am aware of—I went in—I did not drink—I do not remember the landlady and Ann Thorp taking me up stairs—they took me up stirs to my apartment—when the policeman was set to search her, my daughter, Mrs. Sachervel and I belive, my son were present—she objected to be searched—I do not know that I was present when she objected—Ann Throp was with me a very considerable portion of the day—she did not sleep at home that Friday night—I do not know whether I am bound to answer whether she slept in the same house as I did that Friday—I do not know whether I said that I and Ann Thorp had been Sleeping out at No.30 Staford street—I did not say I had been sleeping at a hose of ill fame.

Q. Did you ever sleep at No. 30, Staffored street? A. I shall not answer—I shall not say whether I said Ann Thorp slept with Charles Butler at that house s—I shall no swear one way or the other—I might have said it and forgotten it—I might have said that I slept with Harry Bailey at No.30, Stafford street and that Ann Thorp slept at the same house with Charles Butler.

Q. Do you remember asking the prisoner after breakfast to watch while you got to the bottom of the street as you did not wish your daughter to see you? A. Yes I did—I wil not swear whether I requested her to go and tell my daughter, as an excuse for sleeping out, that I and Ann Throp had been locked up in the station house and had to pay 12s—I do not know whether he did or no.

Cross-examined by MR. JONES Q. Do you remember which way you went home from the Carpenter's Arms? A. I do not exactly recollect whether we went through Salisbury street—that would be in the road home—Carlisle-street would have nearer—I lost the note on the 16th of January. and Caylock was taken on the 13th of February.

MR. PAYNE. Q. Did you know about Caylock having any thing to do with the not till you traced it? A. Not a tall—I ave not a distant recollection of all the places I went to—I felt my purse after I left Woodward's house, and when I got home I missed it.

ANN THORP . I live at No.30, Sandord street. I was in company with Mrs. Townshend and Woodward on the 18th of Febaruary—I remember Mrs. Townsend fainting—Ann Woodward and I were in the room at the time—she wanted some vinegar and I said, I would ring the bell; Woodward said, "No; you go fir it; I know how to manege her"—I went and was gone five minutes—when I returned, there was no one there but these two—I went away when she got better—I called at the Champion—we had something—Wood ward paid half a-crown for it—before Mrs. Twonshend fainted a the Carpenter's Arms she changed a sovereign—she took it out of a green and brown purse.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Did you go to the prisoner's house, with her mother and Mrs. Townshend, that Saturday morning? A. I did, about half past eight o'clock—I breakdfasted there, and afterwards I thinks there was some run sent for—Mrs. Townshend send for it—half a pint came—I think we all had it—I took a little, and the prisoner and Mrs. Townshend—there might have bee a little gin—I did not drink say—I

do not know whether Mrs. Towshend did—I do not remember gin at all.

Q. What hour did you get up that morning? A. That is my business, not yours—I think it was half past seven—I cannot say to a minute or two—no one was in the room when I was dressing—I did not sleep with Mrs. Townshend—I slept alone.

Q. You swear that? A. I shall not tell you—it is my own business—I went to the Champion public hose afterwards—that was on Saturday afternoon—I saw the Italian boy playing, and I saw Mrs. Townshend at the time—se was doiing nothing—I should think she knew herself better than to dance—I remember the policeman coming up—I do not know what she said—we went with the policeman into the Champion—there was something had there to drink—it was brandy I belive—the prisoner put down half-a-crown to change—I do not know who had the brandy—I had not a drop—I do not know whether the policeman and Mrs. Townshend did, became I stood at the door—no one sat down—Mrs. Townshend knew wheat she was doing when she got him—she had been ill—what we had to drink the night before is best known to ourselves—Mr. Townshend drank nothing at all the night before in the house where we slept—I do not mean to tell where I slept—I suppose we went to the house about one o'clock—where we had been till one is best known to ourselves—we had not been is our public-house.

Q. Will you swear that? A. I shall swear nothing abut it—we had some liquor on the Friday night, about eleven o'clock in the Exeter Arms, it was no other—we had gin and water—I don't like gin but if it was had I need not drink it)—we had one glass between us two—I and Mrs. Townshend do not live together—we left a at eleven—we were not there five minutes—I am not no obliged to say where we were till one o'clock—we were going home—we live about ten minutes walk from the Exeter Arms—we kept walking about till one o'clock—I did not go home with Mrs. Townshend on Saturday—I went to my own house—I know Charles Butler by sight.

Cross-examined by MR. JONES. Q. Did you go home from the Carpenter's Arms with Mrs. Townshend to her own house? A. Yes we went through Salisbury street.

MR. PAYNE. Q. Whatever; you did on Friday night, were you sufficiently in your senses to know what was going on Saturday morning? A. Yes, and Mrs. Townshed knew what was going on.

ELIABETH SACHEFERELL . I am the wife of Edward Sacheverell. I live at No.5, Earl street—Mrs. Towndshend lodges in my house—I remember her coming home on the 16th of January—Woodward and Ann Thorp were with er—she had bee drinking—she seemed to know what she was about—Mrs. Townshend accused Woodward of robbing her—they took he into my room to search her, and I said she should not be searched there; they might take her into her own room—they partly searched her—Woodward came down satirs again, and went into the back room first floor—I asked her what she was doing there—she said, "I am looking for my apron—they have been searching me, and I have lost my apron"—she remained in the room about five or then minutes—when she came out, she sat to the bottom of the satirs of five or ten minutes.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. She was taken before the Magistrate? A. Yes and set at liberty—I canot say when she was takne up again—I cannot tell when Mrs. Townshend sleeps at home—she has a key.

JOHN WILLIAMS . I am pay clerk clerk in the bank of England—I have two 10s. notes her: Nos. 19, 038 and 39. dated 26th November, 1835—I paid these notes to a Chancery ticket of 40l—No 19, 038 was returned to the Bank on the 3d of February—I have not memorandum of the return of the other—the Chancery ticket was payable to L. Townshend—I have it here.

THOMAS ROWE . I keep the Godlen Key public house, in Bell-street. I know Caylock—the prisoner Woodward lives close by me—I have seen them together—they have come in to have something to drink—I cannot say that I have seen her with Caylock without her husband—I gave cash for this note, No.19039, to Caylock—it has his name on it, "Caylock, Benjami place"—it may be eight or ten weeks ago—I cannot shay when.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLILPS. Q. Do you know Mrs. Townshend? A. I have seen her at my pubic house taking a little refreshment—I have seen the man they said washer husband, but I believe they are not living together.

Cross-examined by MR. JONES. Q. How long have you nnown Cay-lock? A. I believe ten or twelve years—he has borne a good character—he made no secret of changing this not e—I am so much in he habit of changing notes foe him, that I made no difficulty of it.

EDWARD SACHEVERELL . I live at No.48, Brill-row Somers—Town, and am the son in law of Mrs. Sacheverell On Sunday, the 17th of January, I went into the back room on the first floor of may mother's house, to empty a basin of ow water, an picked up theis steel purse—I gave it to Mrs. Townsbend—I found it on the leads, about a yard an a half from the window.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Who lives in the house where you live? A. My grandmother, Mrs. Young—I don't know who lives in my mother house e—Mrs. Sachversheel in the owner of it.

MR. PHILLIPS to MRS. SACHERVERELL. Q. Who lives in your house? A. Mrs. Townshend and Mrs. Farmer—I was not in the room when Mrs. Townshend went up stairs.

MR. PAYNE. Q. Ate there any leads to the back room on the first floor? A. Yes, that is the room that the prisoner was sin for five on ten minutes.

MR. PHILLIPS to MRS. TOWNSHEND. Q. Was not the female prisoner occasionally in the habit of lending you money? A. Yes, I paid her back a sovereign that she had lent me on the evening of the 12th of January.

MR. PAYNE. Q. Was the sovereign lent before you received this money? A. Yes, this to e(No.19038) is the note the prisoner changed for me at Dallimore's—it is one I received at the Bank—it was changed to pay my landlady with—I had to this on the 16th of January—I changed it on the 12th.

MARY THORP . I am the wife of Thomas thorp. lived at No.9, Carlisle-street—I am Mrs. Townshend's daughter—I searched the prisoner in my mother's room l—she took off her stays, and then showed one what she gad got, which was two sovereigns a five shilling piece four six pences, a shilling and 4 1/2d. she said it was her husband's earning—her husband is a bricklayer's foreman—she did not take of her stocking nor her cap—after I searched her she went into a room, and said he was looking for her apron—she went to the station house, and then to Marylebone-office—he was discharged—on leaving the office we met her husband and mother outside the of five—she told him what Mrs. trownshend accused her of—he said, "they could not accuse you, you, had no money about you"—I then told him what she had.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Were you no present when your mother paid her back the sovereign? A. Yes; on Tuesday.

THOMAS HENRY THOMSON (police Sergeant D 4.) I saw this paper signed by Caylock—it was read to him land signed by the Magistrate—I took Caylock into custody—(read)—The prisoner Caylock says, "I picked the note up and am willing to refund the money—I know the prisoner Woodward by sight certainly—when her husband comes home we go to Mr. Rowe's sometime son a Sunday moaning, and drink a pint of porter together."

Cross-examined by MR. JONES. Q. Did you hear what the prisoner said at he office e, which has just been read? A. I did.

Woodward's Defence. I do not know any thing about taking her money—I never saw her with any notes at all.

Caylock's Defence. I picked up the not in Salisbury street a I told the policeman when he too me—if I had any guilty knowledge of it I should not have gone to Mr. Row's to change it.


Sixth Jury, before Mr. Recorder.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-920
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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920. GEORGE LEWIS was indicted for stealing on the 10th of March, 1 dressing case, value 16s. the goods of Thomas Benjamin Hassall.

ROBERT JOHN TAYLOR . I am a shopman to Thomas Benjamin Hassall, a comb and brush maker, of St. Paul's Church yard. On the 10th of March, I saw the prisoner in the shop about eight o'clock in the evening—he had a nest to chip boxes—he said he had got a very much set of chip-boxes, and told me to ask my master if he would have them—my master had a had foot at the time—he said he did not want to him—the prisoner opened the boxes and came to to the end of the counter when this dressing-case laid—there were a great many brusher on the counter—I felt rather confused—the prisoner laid the brown paper which his boxes were in, over the dressing case a the end of the counter—he wen out and I missed the dressing case before he passed the window—I called to my father and told him that he had stolen the dressing-case—I followed him, and took it out of his hand in the King's Head public house in Cannon alley—I followed him in there—he came back with me to the shop, and my master gave him into custody. Cross-examined by MR. JONES. Q. Had the prisoner been in the habit of calling at your master' s? A. Yes; and sold him boxes occasionally—I know him well—he appeared to have some drinking, but he knew what he was about—when I brought him back, he said he took it by mistake and that he had left a parcel of his own at Mrs. Smith's, about the size of a dressing case—my master sent me there—the prisoner had been there, but had not left a parcel—my master did not say he did not wish to give him in charge, as it might have been a mistake—the policeman did not say he must give him in charge—his boxes were wrapped up in the same kind of paper; that his boxes were in was much larger than the case.

EDWARD SMITH . I am inspector of nightley watch. li produce a dressing case which Mr. Hassall gave me with the prisoner he said he was determined to give him in charge, he would not be robbed in this kind of way, as he had been frequently robed before.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you hear the prisoner day it was a mistake? A. Yes—Mr. Hassall did not say he thought it might be—Mr. Hassall first spoke about his being give it no custody—I not say I should insist upon his being given in charge—he was give in charge before I had time to speak a word—some of the boxes are as small as the dressing case, but the smaller ones were ones were inside the others—the prisoners told me he was a hawker of them, and he referred me to several persons in the neighbourhood—I found he had dealt with those persons—he had been drinking, but was quite sensible.

(Property produced and sworn to.)

Prisoner's Defence. I was showing boxes, and said I had got a good set I did not want to take home with me—I was going to leave them for 6d. less than I generally charge them, because I would not take them home—I put my par up, and put this little paper on than top of them—I did not know I had got it; and when I went back, I said I was very sorry I bad taken it—I did not know it contained—I could refer to Rundle and Bridge, on Ludgate hill, and all over town.

COURT to ROBERT JOHN TAYLOR. Q. How was the prisoner carrying the dressing case? A. He had it in his hand our dressing case was in brown paper under the boxes in his hand he only opened the two largest boxes.

Prisoner. He is quite in error—I opened one to show him, because they were larger than what he had before—when I went back, the master said he did not think I meant to steal it, but the policeman insisted upon taking me—he said it was no use my speaking to the prosecutor.

COURT to JOHN SMITH. Q. Did you say it was no use for the prisoner to speak to the prosecutor? A. No—Mr. Hassall said he insisted upon me taking the charge—he did not want to have any more talk with him—the prisoner kept saying it was a mistake.

Prisoner. When the policeman came in, he said there could be no more talk then.

ROBERT JOHN TAYLOR . No, there was not—when the officer came in, my master gave him he dressing case directly, and gave him in change—he kept talking, and my master said, "I don't wan to have any more talk with you, go on"—and the officer said, "Come o, you with keep us there all night."

(Sussannah cressy, of Richmond street, St. Luke's gave the prisoner a good character.)

GUILTY. Aged 38—Recommended to mercy — Confined Three Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-921
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation
SentenceImprisonment; Corporal > whipping

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921. DANIEL DUNN was indicted for stealing on the 14h of march, 1 tobacco pipe, value 10s. the goods of David Davis.

SAMUEL DAVIS . I am the son of David Davis. On the evening of the 14th of Marc, I was in my father's shop, is Green street, St. James's, between seven and eight o'clock—I was placing something in the window—I saw the prisoner on the outside, with his hand through a broken pane of glass—ter was another but behind him—I cannot say hoe long the glass had been broken but it was a very small piece—the aperture was made larger—the prisoner drew a tobacco pipe through—this is a part of it—one part is now gone, but is was perfect when it was drawn from the window—I went after the prisoner to Wind mill street, and took him—the policeman came up, and I gave him I charged—he dropped the pipe before I came up by which means the bowl was lost t—the selling price of it was

10s—I am sure he is the boy who took it—there was a light from the gas in the street—I am sure I saw it drop.

Prisoner. I was not near window—another boy drew the pipe out of the window—he gave it me in the Haymarket.

THOMAS WELCH (police constable E 23.) I received the present into my custody, with this pipe, a the corner of windmill street, in Coventry-street—that is some distance, from Jermyn street.

(Thomas Riley, of Bainbridge, street, Bloomsbury and Haugh Kerns, No.1, Golden Lion court, Aldersgate street gave the prisoner a good character.)

GUILTY. Aged 11—Recommended to mercy by the Jury. Confined Sox Weeks, and Whipped.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-921a
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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921. JESSE JONES was indicted for bigamy.

GEORGE STANFORD . I live at Lewes, in Sussex. I know the prisoner—I was present when he was married to Mary Nye, at Linfield, in Sunset, at the parish church, on the 31st of July, 1835, by banns—she is not alive, and in Curt she was single when he married her.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Did you know any thing of the prisoner and his first wife? A. Yes—I knew their courtship—it was a marriage entered into contrary to the wishes of Nye's parents—it was not against the consent of her friends—they were quite content that the marriage should take place.

Q. How cam you to say it was contrary to their wisher? A. I thought you said according to the wishes of the parents—I was sin the habit of seeing them after they were married—they lived in the same house as I did, for a shot time—I did not see the parents after the marriage—I did not know the prisoner long after the marriage—I do not know that they got into difficulties.

JOHN YATES (City police constable No. 99). apprehended the prisoner in Fetter lane, on the 24th of March, in the parish of St. Dunstan's-in-the-West—I took him to Guildhallhe was remanded till the 26th to the Computer and brought to newgate on monday last the 4th of April—I produce two certificates, which were handed to me by the solicitor.

Cross-examined. Q. Had he apartments at No.133, Fetter lane, in the name of Jesse Jones? A. Yes—I found him there when he came home to dinner.

ANN AUGUSTS . I live in Fulwood's rents Holborn. I was married to the prisoner on the 8th of last March in the Fields, in Middlesex—I have known him from the later end of last July—he represented himself to me as a bachelorhe never mentioned that he had been married before—I had a little property—that has been expended—I bought some furniture with it—a fortnight ago last Thursday, a friend of mine came and told me he was married—I then had him apprehended.

Cross-examined. Q. Your parents are alive? A. Yes—I did not communicate this to them—they are in the country, a long way off—but I mentioned it to some friends, when a friend told me he was married, and had go at wife and three children—I went within, and he was taken into custody—we were married by banns, in the names of Ann Augustus and Jesse Jones—what money I had was expended in furnishing the apartments that still exists and have it—Mr. Alderman Wood and I was to take what I liked.

COURT Q. Was you living with him a the time you received this

information? A. Yes—I was in Fetter-lane—I did not tell the prisoner, but I went with my friend and never saw the prisoner afterwards.

MR. DOANE to GEORGE STANFORD. Q. You say were present at the first marriage? A. Yes; and it was by banns—I knew that from what Mrs. Nye told me—I know noting of it myself—I saw the register in the church at the communion table—my wife was present—I do not know what the age of the lady was s—she was of—no she was not of age.

COURT. Q. Were any of her friends present at the marriage? A. No. my wife and myself and and from Brighton, of the name of George Sherwood, and his wife were present—I did not hear the banns read—I was living in Brighton at that time—this was a at Linfield—I know it was at the parish church—I do not know the clergyman—I came from Brighton—the prisoner lived at Brighton, and the young woman at Linfield—this marriage was on the 31st of July, 1825,—I knew she was sunder age by what she has told me—she the appearance of it—she had a father and mother living—they were not present—it was not against there wisher—I never heard them say that it was not—they lived together as mean an with afterwards in the house where I did a Brighten—I never saw their friends there—se left Linfield, and came home with us that night.

Prisoner. That man swears false—he nerve lived in the house with me in his life—there are two children who belong to me, she has had a child during my absence—I went away in May, 1830, and she as the child in July following, and she owned herself that she had it by it my first cousin, in East Smithfield.

GUILTY Aged 33— Confined One Year.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-922
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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922. GEORGE HERDSFIELD was indicted for stealing, on the 29th of march, 1 handkerchief value 4s. the goods of James Walker, from his person, and the he has been before convicted of felony.

JAMES WALKER . I live at the Harp, Harp alley, Farringdon-street, and am a smith and iron founder. On the 29th of March I was in Fleet-street at half past ten o'clock in the evening—I felt a hand behind me—I put my right hand behind and caught my handkerchief—I turned round quickly and the prisoner had hold of my handkerchief in his hand and drew it though my hand—he ran across Fleet street, and was folding up the handkerchief all the while—I followed him of there hundred yards and was not three yards form him—about a dozen men then got round us, and I lost sight of the handkerchief.

Prisoner. I was going through Fleet street—I was going after that gentleman-two boys followed him and took his handkerchief as he said, and then ran away—I ran after them, and then he followed me, and did not sight of me. Witness. he ran uncommonly well, and put the handkerchief into his bosom.

HENRY BOLTON . I am watchman of St. Bride's. I heard the cry Stop thief"—I saw the prisoner run up Shoe lane—I attempted to stop him, but the slipped through my fingers and ran away quickly—I followed him to the corner of Harp-alley, and there he was taken—he did not call "Stop thief"—I saw him stopped and took him to the watch-house—no one passed round him—I was in the middle of Shoe-lane—I did not see any thing thrown down—the person who were persuing him were very close behind him—the people did not get about him when he was stopped—he was running when I took him—there were persons round abut him.

Prisoner. He and three more watchmen took me—I don to see how I could throw anything down without their seeing me. Witness. There were three of us, and a great many people about him.

WILLIAM M'LENNAN (City police constable No. 4) I produce a cetificate of the prisoner's former conviction, which I got from Mr. Clarks's office—the prisoner is the person—(read.)

GUILTY Aged 18— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-923
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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923. PHILIP MOORE was indicted for stealing on the 19th of March, 1 handkerchief, value 5s. the goods of George Singer from his person.

GEORGE SINGER . I live in Ingram court, Fenchruch street. Above eight o'clock on the evening of the 19t of march I was in Little Moor-fields; and form the light of a lamp on the opposite said, he saw the prisonr's hand lift my coat tail, and draw my handkerchief—I saw it by the shadow, and I turned and saw him drag the handkerchief—he got it out, and dropped it on the pavement—when I attempted to collar him, he drew back and ran away—I ran after him, and caught him and in going to the station house he go away—this is the handkerchief.

JAMES MURRELL . I am a officer. I took charge of the prisoner—I produced the handkerchief which received from the prosecutor.

Prisoner. I went to get half a pint of beer—as I going up the public-house steps, the gentleman caught hold of me, and said, "Yes have robbed me"—I said I had not touched him. Witness. He was not going into a public house e—I had an idea that something was going on when I was in Coleman-street, and this being a large handkerchief I could feel it in my pocket and when I saw him take it, he and the corner of it in his hand, and dropped it—I took it up, and he ran off—I pursued, and took him—some person came up, and said, "Let him go, you have go turn handkerchief"—he said before the Magistrate that the was coming out of the public-house, and I sparred up to him and he to wanting to fight, ran away.

GUILTY . Aged 21— Confined Sox Months.

OLD COURT, Thursday April 4th, 1836.

Fourth Jury, before Mr. Sergeant Arabin.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-924
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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924. ANN JONES was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwellling-house of Ann Mears, on the 15th of March, at St. Matthew, Bethnal green, and stealing 4 shirts, value 20s. 10 table cloths value 20s. her goods and that she had been before convicted of felony; to which she pleaded

GUILTY Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-925
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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925. EDWARD URLING was indicted for stealing on the the 5th of March at Arlington 1 sheep price 2l. the property of Joseph Jessop.—2nd COUNT, for killing with intent to steal the carcase.

ROBERT BELFIT . I am bailiff to Mr. Joseph Jessp, who live at Arlington On Saturday nigh, the 6th of March he had fifty three sheep—on Sunday morning I went to the field and missed one sheep, and found where it had ben killed—there was blood there in ditch and I afterwards fund the skin under a wheat stack, and the entrails—master's sheep are marked with a round ring and two J's in the middle—I found that are marked the ship. I found footmark in the field, and trace them up the

field about ten yards, and afterwards out of the field, and saw a gap over into another field—I traced them at last in to a lane to another field—I know where the prisoner lived—I I raced them up to his has e—he is a brick-maker I belive, nad lives in a cottage—he denied living at the cottage, and said he lived down at Halton bridge—the constable was there, and said he did not think head left the cottage, nut he said he had for some time—a person in named Taplin brought the prisoner's wife in with a basket, with mutton in it—it contained seven joints of mutton—I compared the foot marks which I traced to the house, with the prisoners's shoe, and they tallied exactly.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. How far are he cottages from the field? A. About a mile and ha half—the footmark went about ten yards before I lost sight of them, then over a bank, and I saw them again and they were traced down to the cottage where the prisoner lives—a donkey's and a man's foot mark were traced—I an swear I traced footamarks from the field to the cottage—I will not swear there were not more than one man's foot marks but I saw no more—I live about a mile and a half from the field, I know the lane, and know about a cap of gipsies being there, but it had been removed a week before e—they didn't go away in the middle of that night, but a week before r—I saw the prisoner taken into custody—he did not attempt to runaway—Halton bridge is about 200 or 300 yards from the station—the mark on the skin was a round ring and two J's—I have no doubt about it being the skin.

CHARLES EDMONDS . I am a farmer of Arlington. I assisted in tracing the footworks—they appeared tome to correspond exactly—they went directly to the prisoner's cottage, and there were traces of a donkey's feet as well—here are the prisoner's shoes—they tallied and corresponded in all respects et the footmarks—here are two peculair nails out the usual place—I saw the prisoner's wife with asked it contained seven joints to mutton fresh killed, and not in a butcher-like way—I heard him deny living in the cottage—I do not think I saw any part of the mutton fitted into the skin—I want into the prisoner's house afterward and found a sheep head boiling in the pot—there was no head in he basket—there was a sack of fresh turnips beans, and brocoli.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you mean to say that you yourself took either of tees shoes and examined them with the marks? A. The constable did, I pointed out the mark to him—I did not myself fit these, but I saw it done—there are hundreds of such shoes in the country—the constable pressed down one by the side of the foot marks, to see if the mails would make the same impression—there has been good deal of rain that night.

JOSEPH TAPLIN . I am farmer, and live at Drayton. I trace some of the footsteeps from my farm which is about half a mile form the prisoner's house, to about one hundred yards from his house, but I did not got the whole ay—I stopped his wife with the mutton and I said to the prisoner, "Peggy, "that is the name he goes by, "Peppy"I thought you had known better than to do such a thing as this"—he said, "Oh, I did not do it, but I have a right to buy meat as cheap as I like"—I said, "Well, then, you are the receiver, you are worse than the thief"—I said the sheep was not cut up I butcher like manner but it was done pretty well considering it was done with a knife—he said, "I know nothing about that, I did not do it—I said, "Every honest man can tell where he gets his things."

WILLIAM THORNHILL . I assisted in tracing the footmark part of the way—they corespondent exactly with the prisoners' shoes—I went to his house and saw the sheep's head taken out of the pot—the re was a ask of brocoli and greens there—I have had the shoes ever since.

Cross-examined. Q. Who did you get the boots form? A. From the prisoner's feet—I took them of myself—I believe there are six cottages in the row I did not trace the arks to his cottage, but near it—I did not look for any mark before I took the and—I did not see any marks near the cottage—I looked at the marks—I saw the prints all round the cottage—there are five or six cottages—he has walking round the cottages when I saw him—I did not go into the field till the afternoon, the afternoon, and the footmarks were trodden out by the sheep then.

JAMES HUGHES . I am a butcher, and live at Arlington. I was shown the skin of a sheep—here it is—I compared it with some mutton—I fitted the joints of he sheep the was shown to me by the constable with the skin—they corresponded with the marks in the skin—it had certainly not been slaughter by a butcher—I could exactly ascertain that they had come from the skin—there were the knuckles left in the skin—I fitted them to the legs an shoulder—I have not the slightest doubt they formed originally part of the same carcase—neearly the whole carcase was there, but no head.

Cross-examined. Q. Were there marks inside the skin corresponding with places on the joint? A. Yes—the bark.

JOSEPH TAPLIN re-examined I was present when the butcher fitted the muttoon to the skin—they were the same joints as those taken out of the basket.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you see them then out? A. I saw them taken out of the Magistrates' room—I took the mutton away myself from the prisoner's wife.

Prisoner's Defence. I am not guilty of it—I bought it of a men on Sunday morning, in the lane—as I was moving my goods—he had large drab coat on—I never saw him before in my life—he asked me to give him 15s. for it—he said he had an accident, and run over a sheep the dry before, had had I got a family—I said "Yes, five children"—I said I had not got 15s—he wet to my cottage with me, and my wife was gone over the meadows—I give him 12s. for it—Taplin was coming up the lane, and met my wife, and took her before the Magistrate.

(William Mathews, rick maker, of cowle, and William Newth, brick maker, Islington; gave the prisoner a good character.)

GUILTY Aged 39— Transported for Life.

Before Mr. Justice Gaselee.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-926
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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926. MARY ANN FORESTER was indicted for feloniously assaulting Ann Robins, on the 16th of February at St. Luke, Middlesex putting her in fear, and taking from her person, and against, her will, 1 clock, value 2s. the goods of Richard Robins.

ANN ROBBINS . I am the wife of Richard Robbins, and live at No.30, Ironmonger-row, St. Luke's On the 16th of February, ant eight o'clock in the evening I was going to a person of the name of Mrs. Jourdan, in Cherry tree alley—I did not know the house—I saw the prisoner, and asked her if she could tell me which house Mrs. Jourdan lived at—she said. "You do not mean Mrs. Jourdan, you mean Mrs. Bonnet"—I said it

did not matter which, for I knew them both—when I got to the door, Mrs. Jourdan was not at home—on returning from the door, I was taken very faint, and very bad, being near my confinement—the prisoner said, if had not far to go, she would see me home—I laid hold of her arm and I was much obliged to her—on coming up Mitchell street, at a turning in Mitchell-street, (I do not know who name of the place, but I know it)she gave me a blow across my mouth, and pushed me down; when I was down I was not capable of getting up for a minute or two—she put her hand behind me, by my neck, and laid hold of the collar of my clock, and said, "I will make sure of this"—she took the cloak, and ran away with it—I did not see her again till I saw her at Worship street the next day—when she ran away, I went home the best way I could—I had never seen her before to my knowledge—I saw my cloak a worship street on the 17th as I was confined on the 18th—the policeman produced it.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Had you been in company with any body that nigh, accept the person you call the prisoner? A. Not in particular—I had not long left my own home—I had not been in company with any one that night—I do not know a boy named William Manning, not a woman named Betsey Deadman—this was at eight o'clock in the evening—it was dark—I crossed from Golden land with the prisoner to Brick lane—I had not been drinking no more than I have at this moment—I had go to mars, Bonnet's door, and asked if she was at home—Mrs. Jourdan and Mrs. Bonnet live in the same house—I did not inquire for Mrs. Bonnet—the prisoner accompanied me till got to this place in Mitchell street, about 200 yards from Mrs. Jourdan's door—there was not a soul passing—Mitchaell streett is not a large street—it is a thorghfare—there was nobody passing a the time—I did not meet a soul as I went home—I live at no.30, ironmonger row—Mitchell street joins the churchwall—I live about 100 yards form where the cloak was taken—I did not see any body in the street after I was insulted—I passed plenty of people, but there was nomebody by when she gave me the blow—there are very few shops in that street-there may be two or three—there was a mark on my mouth from the blow—it was seen a worship street—my husband saw it when I went home.

JOHN STRAABMAN . I am a policeman. On the 17th of February in the afternoon, I was going up Banner-street, with several other constables, and met the prosecutrix's husband, who said his wife had been robbed and I went to see hershe was up stairs with her handkerchief tied round her head and her upper much swollen—I afterwards he prosecutrix's husband at three o'clock by appointment—in consequence of what he stated I went with him to golden lane, accompanied by the witness Standard he waited at one end of the Cherry tree alley, and at the other, and the prosecutor want it no no.4, where Mrs. Bonnet livedhe came out in the house of a few minutes, and said the property was not there, but it would be prduced a five o'clock—I then told him I had better go and apprehend the party immediately-we went to No.1, Cherry-tree alley, were may Ann Foster lodged—the street door being one I went in and opened the parlour door—the first person I saw was Caroline Forester, the prisoner's who had been discharge from Worship street—I said "I want to speak to you Carry,—she said, "It is not me you it is my sister"—I looked round the room, and saw the prisoner—I took her into custody, and took her outside she bagan crying—I said, "I suppose you know what errand I am come upon"—she then

said something to the persecutor, which I did not hear—I took her up to her mothers's who resides a no. 5, Char tee alley—when I got her up stairs in the room where her mother was, she said to her mother, "Where is the cloak, do send for it?—the mother then sad he know nothing about it—she said there was a parcel sent, she would have nothing to do with it, and said, "Where is Caroline? she knows about it"—I went to see for Caroline. and met her at the door—she went up stairs and commenced brow beating the prisoner, by saying "Oh you house a pretty disgrace you have brought upon us—Caroline then said, if I would go with her she would take me where the cloak was—I then left the prisoner in custody of the prosecutrix's husband and the witness Stannard, and wen with Caroline to Rose-court, Golden-lane—she went into a house there, and brought me out the cloak, tied up in this apron (producing them)—I took it form her—I went back to no.5 Cherry; tee alley and took the prisoner into custody, and the mother, and Caroline also, who were discharged at Worship street.

Cross-examined. Q. About what age is Caroline? A. About eighteen, I should suppose—h is a grownup young woman—there is a resemblance between her and the prisoner—I knew her very well before, by meeting her accidentally, and speaking to her.

FREDERICK STRANNARD . I am foreman of one of the warehouses in the Tower, and live at No.2 16, Redman's row. I accompanied Staalman to all the places he has named, with the exception of going to fetch the cloak—the account he has given in correct.

RICHARD ROBBINS . I am the prosecutrix's husband. I accompanied the officer—the account the has given is perfectly true—I dd not go with caroline to find the cloak—the officer left the prisoner in my custody while he went; and she said she hoped I would not hurt her if the cloak was returned—I made so answer at all—I had made her no threat or promise.

CAROLINE BROMWELL . I live in Rose-court, Golden lane. on Ash. Wednesday the 17th of February, Caroline Forster brought me a parcel—I was not aware of the contents of it—to the best of my knowledge this apron was the overing of the parcel—he appears like it—I gave it back to her about three o'clock in the afternoon of the same day—I had not opened it in the mean time—I did not see the policeman—I believe the apron to be the same that I receive from her.

CAROLINE FROSTER . I am the daughter of Mr. Forster and agent for shipping to the East Indies; I am the person who has been mentioned. On Tuesday night, the 16th of February, I was at home when my sister Eliza brought a parcel to my mother's—she brought it up stairs—it was in a light apron—it was on a chair in my mother's room—I did not look into it till next morning about ten o'clock—I saw it was cloak, and I rolled it up again on of my on my aprons—the apron was put on the bed in the other room—I took it to Bromwell's' in consequence of the what my mother said tome—I went with the police officer the same day to Bromwell's, and received it back—this I she same.

ELIZA FORSTER . I am eleven years old, On Tuesday the 16th of February a little boy brought a parcel to my mothers's wrapped up in an apron—I laid it on a chair I my mother's room.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you know the littles boy? A. I had seen him before—he sad, "Here is a parcel for Mary" I asked him, "Mary who?" whether it was for Mary Ann Foster—he said, "For Mary Ann Forster, where she lodges"—she was not at home a the time I was about eight

o'clock k—I did not ask the boy where he got it from—he did not to tell me be got it from Betst Deadman.

MARY ROBHINS re-examined. this is my cloak—I know it by the buttons and button-holds, which I made in it myself—I have had it for about six years—I am sure the prisoner is the woman who took it had form em—I had never seen her before that night—I saw her next day at Worship-street—I did not see her again till three weeks afterwards, because I was confined on the next day—I never say her before that night—I an, with a clear conscience, say the she is the person who stole the cloak from me.

Cross-examined. Q. Her sister is very much like her; might you not have made a mistake, as it was dark, and you never saw he person before? A. No, I have not made any mistake she had no bonnet on, nor any cap—I had not been above then minutes in her company it was raining—I was ill and faint—she kept with me—I had no umbrella nor hood—when I saw her again she was in custodyshe was then pointed out as in custody, charge with having committed this offence.

Prisoner's Defence. Mr. Robbins, the prosecutor, saw me—he said, me—he said, "If you will own to it, I will no hurt you as I have children of my own;" and I said, "I will not, as I am innocent of what I am charged with"—I would not own that I did it—when the prosecutrix came up to me she was quite intoxicated, and asked me to have something to drink, which refused as I said, "I I am no tin the habit of drinking."


Before Mr. Justice Gaselee.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-927
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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927. WILLIAM WALLIS DUNLOP was indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house of Samuel Matthew, about the hour of one o'clock in the night of the 24th of march, at Saint Margaret, Westminster, with intent to steal, and stealing therein 1 necklace, value 10s.; 1 knife value 6d. and knife, value 6d. the goods of Ann Standard; 1 knife, value 1s. 3 ounces of tea, value 1s. 100 percnssion caps, value 1s. knife value 22 cigars, value 2s. 10z. of tobacco, value 2s. 6d.; 1 six pence; 52 halfpence; and 6 farthings; the goods and monies of the said Samuel Matthews.

JAMES STARK . I am servant to Samuel Matthews, of the North umberland Arms, in Charles-street, Westminster, in the parish of Saint Margaret. On Tuesday night, the 23rd of March, I saw the prisoner in the tap-room about eleven o'clock—I asked him what he wanted there—he said he wanted his father—I asked him who his father was—he said his father was a carpenter. living at No. 23, Tufton-street, and I think he said his name was Mr. Brown—I told him to go out and he went out—next morning, when I came down, at ten minutes to six o'clock, I found him lying on one of the seats of the tap-room—I went to the door and found it was unbolted—I went back into the tap-room again, and the prisoner was gone down into the cellar—I rang the bell, and called my master—he sent the bar-maid down to see what was the matter—she came down stairs, then went up, and told master, and he came down himself—he went down into the cellar, and brought the prisoner up—I went for a policeman—the door I found unfastened my master had fastened the night before after the prisoner left—I found penknife, a necklace, and lancet, on the seat in the tap-room; also forty-two papers of tobacco—twenty-two cigars—some percussion-caps—3oz. of tea in a canister, and a kitchen knife—I looked about to see how he could have got into the house—he said that he came in the night before

about twelve o'clock, before the house was shut up, and concealed himself under one of the seats in the top-room, before the door of the house was shut—the shutter of the bar was removed—there is a partition goes up of four large shutters—his hand was small enough to pull a bolt up at the side of the shutter—the things—I found on the seat had been taken from the bar.

SAMUEL MATTHEWS . I keep the house. On the morning of the 24th of March I was called at six o'clock, or five minutes before—I found the prisoner in the cellar, concealed between tow barrels—I brought him upstairs, and gave him into the custody if Cooper—I said nothing to him till the officer arrived—I made him no promise or threat—then asked how he got in—he said he got in before the house was shut up—I then asked him where he concealed himself when I went into the tap-room to see whether the gas was safe, which was as half-past twelve o'clock, as near as possible—he said, "Under the settle." and he showed me where he was concealed—I asked if he saw me—he said he did—he showed me how he got into the bar—the bar was broken into, though no violence was used—the shutters are very old, and one corner of a shutter was worn away a little, sufficiently for a boy of that ago to get his hand in and unbolt it, and then take the shutter down—he told me that was how he got in, and he showed me how he did it—he opened the door to get it—it was day-light by the time I came down in the morning—it is impossible to ascertain at what time he let down the shutter to get into the bar—the value of the property is about 35s.—the bar-maid's property is a necklace, a penknife, and a lancet—I had been my own things at twelve o'clock at night.

GEORGE COOPER . I am a policeman. On the 24th March I was called into the prosecutor's house, and took the prisoner in charge—I saw on the tap-room table one box and forty-two screws of tobacco, and twenty. two cigars—I took him to the watch-house, and found on him 2s. 11d. in copper money, and one counterfeit shilling—he showed me how he got into the bar, by shifting the shutter, and pulling the bolt.

GUILTY of stealing only. Aged 14.—Recommended to mercy on account of his youth.— Transported for Seven Years.

Before Mr. Justice Patteson.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-928
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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928. CHARLES BULL was indicted for stealing, on the 25th of February, at Saint Andrew, Holborn, 25 yards of woollen cloth, value 15l., the goods of Jabez Bunting, John Beeham, and Robert Alder, in their dwelling house.—2nd COUNT, describing it as being the property of Robert Alder and others, in a certain dwelling-house.—3rd COUNT, describing it as being the property of Robert Alder and another.—4th COUNT, describing it as being the property of Robert Alder. 5th COUNT, describing, it as being 1 piece of wollen cloth, value 15l., the property of John Taylor, in his dwelling-house.

MR. BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN STOKES . I am a policeman. I met the prisoner Clerkenwell, on the 8th March—he did not know me before, not I him—he came up, and told me he wished to give me some information about a robbery—I asked him, "What robbery?"—he said, "At No. 77, Hatton Garden, at the Missionary Office"—I asked him, "What robbery?"—he said he had been in service there, and left three weeks ago last Thursday, and had got into company with some other boys, who accompanied him to rob the

place, and they stole a piece of cloth—he said he made the communication to me because the other boys threatened to split upon him—he said part of the cloth was pledged at two different shops, one in Clare-street, Clare-market, and the other in Long Acre—he said where he lodged—I went to his lodging, and found the fag-end of a piece of black cloth—the whole of his statement was voluntary.

ROBERT ALDER . I transact business at No. 77, Hatton-garden. I do not reside there—Mrs. Taylor is the housekeeper—the premise are in her charge—she is the wife of John Taylor, who resides in the house—the prisoner was employed in the office—I discharged him on the 12th of February—we had some black cloth in a cupboard on the premises while he was there—the policeman made a communication to me—we had not then missed anything—I then went to the cupboard, and missed a piece of black cloth, probably about 22 yards—it was worth 15l.—it was the property of the Wesleyan Missionary Society, and was under my charge as their secretary—it was the property of the treasurer of the Society—the cloth was bought and paid for in my name, and under my charge—it was bought our of the fonds of the whole Society—I am one of the members.

JOHN WESLEY . I am a clerk in the employ of the Missionary Society of Hatton-garden. I know this cloth—here is a mark on it which coincides was the number of the invoice.

JOHN POOLE . I am shopman to a pawnbroker in Clare-street. I produce a remnant of cloth, parented at our house on the 26th of February—here are four yards of it—it was pawned by the prisoner—I never saw him before—I am positive of him.

GEORGE CASEY . I am servant to Mr. Ashley, a pawnbroker, in Long-acre, I produce four yards of black cloth, pawned by the prisoner in March, in the name of "Charles Norris, "for his father—I never saw him before—I am certain of him.

THOMAS MANNING . I live in Bailey's-court, Bell-yard. Temple-bar. The prisoner lodged there in February and March—I remember his coming to the house with a bundle under his arm on Thursday, the 25th of February—I saw it was dark cloth—it was a good sized bundle—on the Friday morning following I asked him about it—he said it would be called for on the Saturday, and that it was given to him by a young man to take care of—I saw it in his bed-room the same day, and on the Saturday afternoon he said there was a piece missing—I then looked at it, and saw three pieces, four or five yards each—it was taken away from my house on the Monday by the prisoner.

Prisoner. Q. Did any body sleep with us that night? Witness. A. The witness Cobb did—I am not positive whether he noticed the cloth—he slept with me, and that night said it was a good piece of cloth—he saw it on the Thursday evening and on Friday evening—he did not sleep with us after the Friday night—I persuaded you to go his master, because you said you suspected he had stolen one of the pieces of cloth—I do not know whether you rent—you did not come home on Saturday night—you said you would take the cloth, and find the person who gave it to you—my mother desired you to take it away.

JOHN TAYLOR re-examined. My wife is the housekeeper at the Missonary House. The prisoner was employed there—after his discharge he came there on the 25th of February—I saw him there—I did not see him come in or go out.

ALFRED HARDWICK . I am a cloth factor. I supplied some black cloth

to the Missionary Society, in Hatton-garden—this is one of the cloths I sent in to the Society—this other piece I have not a doubt formed part of the same piece.

Prisoner's Defence. I hope you will consider my case—I never did any thing of the kind before.

(Robert Sykes, hair-dresser, of Holywell-street, gave the prisoner a good character.)

GUILTY of stealing, but not in the dwelling-house. Aged 17.

Transported for seven Years.

First Jury, before Mr. Sergeant Arabin.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-928a
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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928. JOHN MILES was indicted for stealing, on the 8th of March, 1 steel, value 2s. 6d., the goods of Rebecca Blake.

MARIA BIRD . I am servant to Rebecca Blake, who keeps an eating-house in Whitecross-street. The prisoner used to frequent the house, in company with a man who went by the name of Big Bill—they used to annoy my mistress a good deal—they used to eat the soup sometimes, and not pay for it—on the day in question they came and asked for two basins of soup—my mistress refused to serve them—she told me not to serve them, as she knew they would not pay for it—I took one basin to them—they would not pay for it, and I brought it back again—they both came to the counter—mistress put the steel on the counter—the prisoner took it up and gave it to the other one—mistress asked him to give it up—he said he had not got it—she asked him several times for it—she sent me for the policeman, and when I came back Bill was gone—we have never got the steel back.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. You do not mean to say the prisoner gave you more trouble than was agreeable to you, do you? A. He frequently used to come to the shop—my mistress wished the money to be paid first when he was Bill—when I took the one basin of soup the prisoner put down some money, and Big Bill took his money and the steel too—the prisoner took the steel off the counter, put it behind him, and gave it to Bill—Bill took the money which the prisoner produced, and ran away with it and the steel—the prisoner lost his money, as well as my mistress lost her steel—the two men were dressed something alike—their backs were not to me—I was close to them—in front of them—what the prisoner did was done openly—he was very tipsy indeed.

REBECCA BLAKE . I keep the cook-shop. The prisoner and Big Bill were troublesome sometimes, when they were tipsy—I was in the bar at this time—I did not see the prisoner take the steel, because my back was to him—Bill is a very bad character, and this young man has kept his company a long time; but I do not believe the prisoner is a thief at all, but he has got into bad company—the thief got out of the door before we could get him—he ran away, and this man was taken—the wrong man was taken, and the thief ran away.


4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-850
VerdictsGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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850. WILLIAM COOPER . was indicted of stealing, on the 29th of February, 24 printed books, value 3l. 15s., 6 colour prints, value 3s.; and 4 blotting-books, value 12s.; the goods of George Ackerman and others; and JAMES CLARK and THOMAS GREEN for feloniously receiving the said goods, well knowing them to have been feloniously stolen, against the Statute. &c.

JOHN POINTING . I am in the service of Messrs. George Ackerman and others. printsellers, in the Strand. On the evening of the 29th of February I was returning from Windsor by Moody's coach, and on arriving at the White Horse-cellar, Piccadilly, the coach stopped—I got off and looked behind, and saw the parcel in question quite safe in the hind boot—I had brought it from Windsor—it contained the articles stated in the indictment—several passengers left the coach there—I went on with the coach—it stopped again at the Ship, at Charing-cross, and afterwards set me down in the Strand; and on taking out my parcels I missed the one in question—on the Friday following a policeman came to ask if we missed any proerty. and produced some—it was all tied up in a brown paper parcel—it was six o'clock in the evening when I got to Piccadilly.

THOMAS FARRANT . I am a policeman. On the evening of the 29th of February, between five and six o'clock, I was in company with another policeman by Charing-cross—I saw the prisoners in company together, and suspected them—we watched down them down as far as the Ship, when Cooper left the other two, and they walked up and down the Strand dearly an hour till six o'clock—they then came back to Charing-cross, and stood by Drummond's banking-house together for about five minutes, when Cooper came up to them with a brown paper parcel under his arm, and spoke to them—he walked along up Cockspur-street—the other two went along the dark side of the way into the Haymarket to him, Cooper still carrying the parcel—Cooper went up the Hatmarket, and put down the parcel under a shop window—he opened it, as if to examine the contents—the other two passed him, and stood about twenty yards away from him—Cooper then took the parcel under his arm, and turned back to Pall-mall, followed by the other two prisoners: and almost immediately after getting into Pall-mall, I saw Copper run away without the parcel, and jump behind a stage-coach—I pursued him, and took him off from behind the coach, and asked him if he had given a parcel to a young man—he said, no, he could not: for he had not had one—I brought him back, and give him to the constable who had taken the parcel from Clark—this is it.

Cooper. Q. Do you say you know me? A. I have seen you in company with thieves—I cannot say I ever had you in custody—I took you from behind the coach.

JAMES FOWLER . I am a policeman. On Monday evening, the 29th of February, I was in company with two officers, and saw the three prisoners, and, suspecting them, we followed them—Cooper left the other two by the Ship—we followed Clark and Green for an hour, about the Strand—they came back, and stood by Drummond's and were joined shortly after by Cooper, having a brown paper parcel—they went across into the Haymarket—Cooper went to a shop, put down the bundle, took out his knife, cut open the string, and looked at the parcel—they returned to Pall-mall, and I saw Cooper give the parcel to Clerk—Green was with Clark at the time—as soon as Cooper gave him the parcel, he ran away, and got behind a stage-coach—I told my brother officers, and the witness pursued Cooper, and took him from the coach—I and my brother officers secured Green and Clark—Clark was then carrying the bundle, and Green with him—they were both close together, going the same road.

JAMES KENNERLEY . I am an officer. I produce the parcel—I have heard the other officers state their evidence—it is correct—I have had the parcel ever since—I took it from Clark—I asked him what he had got there—he

said several times it was his own—I said, "Where did you get it from?"—he said, "I bought them—Green was present—Clark alter wards said, a person gave it to him to carry—he threatened to rip my guts open with a knife, and became very violent, and tried to escape.

Clark. I deny talking of ripping your guts open—you tied my handkerchief round my hand so tight, I said, if you did not loosen it, I would cut it—you said, "Oh, you would cut my guts open, would you?" but I did not say so I said I would cut the handkerchief—I did not say the parcel was my own.

Cooper's Defence. I picked the parcel up at Charing-cross—I was not in company with clerk before—I preceded up the Haymarket to a light shop window, and looked on the back of it, to see if there was any direction on it—there was not; and I opened it to see if there was ant direction inside, but there was none, and I tied it up again.

Clerk's Defence. I was coming from Westminster with Green—after leaving Cooper, I met him again in Pall-mall—he said, "Just hold this parcel while I make water"—I took it from under his arm, and was instantly taken by a policeman.

Green's Defence. I know nothing about the robbery at all.

JOHN POINTING re-examined. The parcel was locked inside the hind boot of the coach; and it was unlocked again, I believe, at the Ship, at Charing-cross.

COOPER— GUILTY .† Aged 20.

CLARKE— GUILTY .* Aged 20.

GREEN— GUILTY .* Aged 22.

Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-929
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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929. JAMES HERBERT was indicted for stealing, on the 10th of March, 1 fish, value 3s., the goods of Coles Tester.

COLES TESTER . I am a fishmonger, and live in St. John-street. On the 10th of March, about nine o'clock, I was in my back room, and saw the prisoner walk up and down by the shop window two or three times—at last I saw him take a cod fish. worth 3s., off my board, and walk away with it—he went one hundred or two hundred or two hundred yards with it—I walked after him, and said, "What did you take that fish for?"—he said, "I took it thought a lark"—he was quite a stranger to me—I said, "You must take it back to my door, "and I gave him in charge.

Prisoner's Defence. A little while before this, I was in the hospital with a broken leg—this was the first day I left off crutches—I happened to meet a few friends, and got intoxicated, and this occurred through playing and larking along the street—I had no idea of felony.

GUILTY. Aged 42.—Recommended to mercy.— Confined Eight Days.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-930
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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930. FRANCES YATES and ROSINA HOLIDAY were indicted for stealing, on the 9th of March, 1 watch, value 38s.; 1 watch-ribbon, value 4d.; 1 seal, value 1s.; 1 watch-key, value 6s.; and 1 ring, value 6d.; the goods of John Gaches, from his person.

JOHN GACHES . I am a steward of a vessel. On the evening of the 8th of March I met Yates in Holborn—she invited me to her home—I went home with her—I was not exactly drunk, but mellow—we went into Gray's Inn-lane—I cannot tell the name of the court—I was very unwell in the house in consequence of having a little too much, and I called for a little something to drink there—I was very unwell in the room—in a short time Holiday came in—I laid down on the bed—I was too unwell to

sleep—I got up again—I took my watch from my fob to see the time, and was ushered out of the house, and placed on a step opposite their door—after a short time I put my hand to my fob, and missed my watch and money—I called the policeman, and in a short time they were secured—I cannot say they were both there when I lost my watch—they were both there when I pulled my watch out, and I am confident I had it when I went out of the room—I lost it outside in the court, opposite their door—I cannot say whether they were both near me when I lost it—the two prisoners took me out of the house, and set me on the step.

Holiday. He gave me the watch. Witness. Nay, that cannot be—I had money in my pocket—I made no bargain with them.

JAMES WILLIAM CRAWFORD . I am a policeman. I saw the prosecutor come out of the court—he said he had been robbed of his watch, and described the women—I informed several other men of it, and very shortly after I took Yates, and the prosecutor recognised her—another constable brought the other prisoner to the station-house, with the watch in her possession.

LUKE EDWARDS . I am a policeman. I took Holiday about two hours after the information, and took her to the station-the watch was found on her by a female searcher.

SARAH STREET . I am a widow. I searched Holiday at the station-house I found the watch clenched in her hand, wrapped in a white pocket-handkerchief.

(Property produced and sworn to.)

Yates's Defence. When I met the gentleman, at half past eleven o'clock, he said he was looking for a female he had seen before—he said. "I have got what will treat you to a glass of something to drink, "and he said, at the station-house, that he had his property when he left me—I know nothing of the robbery whatever.

Holiday's Defence. He gave me the watch—I am not the only female he treated—if I had not known him before I should not have taken the watch, but I had seen him before—I left him about twelve o'clock, and was back about a quarter to four—I gave the woman the watch out of my hand—if I had committed a felony I should have did time to dispose of it.

JOHN GACHES re-examined. I had my watch when I went out of their house—they were both of them near me after that.

YATES— GUILTY . Aged 22.


Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-931
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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931. LAURITZ HANSON was indicted for stealing, on the 17th of March, 1 sheet, value 5s., the goods of Thomas Cansdell.

THOMAS CANSDELL . I keep the Hoop and Horse-shoe, in Queen-street, Tower-hill. The prisoner came on a Sunday night, in March, and hired a bed, about half-past eleven o'clock—he was a stranger to me the house was shut up, and he knocked at the door—Mrs. Cansdell called me down to him—I said he could not sleep there—he said he wanted to go into the docks in the morning, and I let him have a bed—he said he wanted to go as soon as the dock opened, which was about seven o'clock; and in the morning, he went out—I opened the street-door—he partly opened it himself, and seemed in a hurry—I sent the servant up stairs, and in consequence of what she said, I pursued him—he went towards Whitechapel—I sent the boy after him, who brought him back he had a bundle under his arm—we opened that—he said that

was not the street—we took him up stairs—he unbuttoned his waistcoat, and the sheet was found bound round his person—he said, "This is your sheet—forgive me—I am very sorry for it—I wanted to get to Germany."

CATHERINE JEALOUS . I am servant of the house. I remember the prisoner going away in the morning—I missed a sheet—I cannot swear to this sheet; but when I turned the bed down there were two sheets on it, and in the morning one was gone—I believe this is master's sheet.

JAMES HAWARD . I am a policeman. I received the prisoner in charge—I saw him in the house with a bundle—I took him up stairs, and found the sheet wrapped round him—he went down on his knees, and said, "Don't put me to so much trouble—this is your sheet, Mr. Cansdell—I took it from the bed—I wanted to go to Germany—I have no money—I am very poor."

(The prisoner put in a written defence, pleading poverty.)

GUILTY . Aged 35.— Transported for Seven Years.

NEW COURT, Thursday, April 7, 1836.

Sixth Jury, before Mr. Recorder.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-932
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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932. ELLEN DAWSON was indicted for stealing, on the 16th of March, 2 sheets, value 6s.; 4 knives, value 2s.; 4 forks, value 2s.; 1 candlestick, value 1s.; and 1 tumbler glass, value 6d.; the goods of Mari Susanne Quantin, her mistress; and that the had before been convicted of felony.

MARI SUSANNE QUANTIN . I live in Lyon-terrace, Edgeware-road, and am a widow. The prisoner came into my service on a Thursday afternoon in March—I do not recollect the day of the month—I went into the kitchen on a Wednesday morning, and desired her to fetch a roll for breakfast—I found a bunch of artificial flowers in the kitchen—I asked her where she got them—she said she found them among the saucepans—I know they had been kept in a box in the kitchen—when I ordered her to go for the roll, I went into the kitchen—I found she had taken her own basket to fetch the roll, instead of the common market-basket; and when she came back, I saw her take some knives from her basket—I then desired her to undress, and from her pocket she produced a candlestick and some other things—she was sitting near a coal-scuttle, and I saw there a parcel of knives, which I took up, in cloth, and some forks in a cloth—I asked her how she came by these things—she looked at me, but did not reply—she dressed again, and I was going to discharge her I said, "Let me see the remainder of your things"—she took them and spread them on the floor—I then went up stairs to tell a lady who was living there; and while I was talking to her, she cast her eye to the window, and said the servant was going out with a parcel—I sent after hr, and had her stopped; and she had got a sheet of mine, which had been kept in a store-room, and she acknowledged there was another sheet in the meat-screen—these are the articles.

Prisoner. My mistress did not give me clean sheets on my bed when I entered her service, and, at the first opportunity, I took a pair to air them, and put them on my bed—the knives and forks I was cleaning up that day, as she was going to part with her lodgers—the candlestick and bottle-stopper were in the coal-scuttle, not in my pocket.

JOHN PACKER . I am a labourer and live in Richmond-street, Marrylebone

I was going by Mrs. Quantin's house on the 18th of March, between nine and ten o'clock, and stopped the prisoner by Mrs. Quantin's desire—she had a bundle—she went back with me—the bundle was untied in my presence—there was one sheet in it, marked.

JOHN TAYLOR (police-sergeant S 17.) On the morning of the 18th of March I went to Mrs. Quantin's house—the prisoner was given into my charge; and a young lady said, while the prisoner was in the kitchen, that there was another sheet in the meat-safe—the prisoner then said that her mistress gave her the keys to go to the wardrobe, and in an unguarded moment she took them; but if she had had an opportunity she should have put them back again—I told her to hold her tongue.

MARI SUSANNE QUANTIN re-examined. These are my property—it was not a bundle of her own things which she was taking away—she had only one gown—she put her things together after I went up stairs—I had not discharged her before—I was going to discharge her; but while I was gone up, she ran away—she says there were no clean sheets on her bed, but that is not the case—I sent her up stairs for a bottle of spirits from the store-room; and while I was occupied with a friend, she went up to the store-room; and waited ten minutes.

Prisoner. She gave me the key to go for a bottle of gin, and I took the sheets to put them on my bed—she so hurried me away that morning that I did not know what I did—I took one with me, and I left some of my own things behind. Witness. She left some of her own things on the kitchen table.

FRANCIS KEYS . I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction of felony (read)—the prisoner is the woman.

GUILTY .* Aged 25.— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-933
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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933. MARY CATTLE was indicted for stealing, on the 19th of March, 1 piece of handkerchiefs, value 1l. 4s., the goods of William Stratton and other.

FRANCIS STRATTON . I live at No. 430, West Stand, in the employ of Messrs. William Stratton and co., linen-drapers. On the morning of the 19th of March, the prisoner, in company with another girl, came to look at some silk handkerchiefs; and, from information I received from a young man, I watched, and saw the prisoner take this piece, of seven silk handkerchiefs, from the counter, and conceal them under her shawl—they are worth 24s.—they being to Mr. William Statton and two other persons, his partners—the prisoner was given into custody.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Did not this woman bargain for some edging? A. I believe she did, but I did not hear the conversation, I was behind the counter—nothing was purchased by either of them, there were others in the shop—I did not call out, "You have got a piece of handkerchief"—I said nothing to the prisoner—nothing was said by any of the other shopmen—a policeman was sent for—I cannot say whether she was told she must not leave the shop—Mr. Stratton spoke to her and was detaining her—they were both desired to walk further up into the back shop by Mr. Edwards, and they did so—I had forgotten all this before—she went voluntarily into the back shop—nothing was found on them—I did not see them drop any thing, my attention was not particularly directed to them when the handkerchief was dropped.

WILLIAM EDWARDS . I am a shopman in the same employ—there are no shop-woman—I went within a yard of where the prisoner and the

other woman were standing—I heard Mr. Stratton say to the prisoner, in the presence of her companion, that he had been told by one of the young men. that she had a piece of silk handkerchief about her person—the prisoner denied it—a policeman was sent for—in the mean time the prisoner got up from where she was sitting—there was nothing on the floor, nothing on either of the chairs, and nothing on the counter within a yard of her—in a few minutes they stood up again, and I saw the handkerchiefs in the act of dropping between the counter an the prisoner's person—they were desired to go into a back shop, where they staid till the policeman came—I will swear they fell from the prisoner's person.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you on the same side as she was? A. No, on the other side of the shop, behind the other counter.

THOMAS VIVAN (police-constable C 58.) I received the prisoner in charge, and produce this piece of silk handkerchief?—I found 2s. 6d. on each of them.

Cross-examined. Q. what became of the other woman? A. She was committed, but the bill against her was thrown out.

Prisoner's Defence. I can assure you I never had the handkerchiefs in my hand—I was looking at some red ones, and the young woman bought one, which he said was half-a-crown—I then asked for a bit of edging—he pushed the handkerchiefs along, and they fell near the feet for another lady.

WILLIAM EDWARDS . I can undertake to say that they fell nearer the prisoner than any other person—it fell close to her—she had a shawl on, under which it must have been hidden under when she first got up.

JURY. Q. Were there any handkerchiefs on the counter at the time? A. There were not—as I stated before, the counter had been cleared of them, as soon as it was said the had got some—I did not have her shawl opened when she got up the first time.

FRANCIS STRATTON re-examined. Q. You have sworn that you actually saw the prisoner put this under her shawl? A. I did—it is true.

Prisoner. I did not, I can assure you—the handkerchief was full two yards from me, and was pushed along past Davies's elbow—the box the edging was in was pushed by—he would not show the edging to me—the gentleman said, "If you have got them give them up, I will let you go" I said, "I have not got them?"—he then said to the young gentleman, "Are you sure you saw her take them"—he said, "Yes"—I said, "Why did you not come and take them from me?" I held my shawl quite open, and said I had not got any thing of the kind-the handkerchief he cut off was half-a-crown, which she had in her hand, and the policeman would not let her pay for it.

GUILTY . Aged 19.— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-934
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown

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934. EDWARD BALLARD and JOSEPH FENSON were indicted for stealing, on the 1th of March, 56lbs. weight of hay, value 2s., the goods of William Hobbs, their master.

JAMES GOOSETREE . I am servant to William Hobbs, farmar, of Green-street, Enfield. On the 19th of March, the prisoners were cutting chaff in the barn, they were his labourers—Fenson was going out with a waggon and three horses to London, to fetch a load of grains—the allowance is about thirty pounds of hay for three horses, and a bout three quarters of a pack of corn—just before he set off from the yard he took a bundle of hay, about fifty pounds, and put it on his wagon—he went into road—I

went and told him he was a pretty fellow to take the hay away—I took the hay back again into the barn—I gave Hallard the hay in the morning to cut into chaff, but it was Fensom that took it and put it on the shafts of the wagon—he was to take thirty pounds—but I gave him that and the corn before this.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. What time of the day was this? A. Between eleven and twelve o'clockhe could see me when he went out—he must have known that I could see him—I have never heard of wagoners taking an extra load in case they should run short.

HARRIET HOBBS . I am the wife of William Hobbs, of Green-street. Just before the wagon left the yard, I saw Ballard take the hay, and move it towards the door, for the convenience of Fensom to take it—I saw Fensom take it immediately after, and put it on the shafts of the wagon—I had seen the same thing done frequently before, but was not aware what the orders were—I saw the witness go after the wagon, which was drawn into the road, and take the hay—I am not sure whether the horses were moving at the time.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you in the barn? A. No, at the window—Fensom pursued his journey to London, and returned at the proper time and next morning they were taken.

WILLIAM HOBBS . I was going to Hartford fair to buy a few cattle at this time—it was Ballard's business to cut the chaff and hay—he had no authority to give out any hay—I always sent out quite sufficient.

Cross-examined. Q. Do not horses sometimes eat more than at others? A. Yes—I always know what if fit for them—I order all my things to be done before I go out.

Bellard. It is false about my laying the lay for him to take it—the other man could have said the same if he was here.

Fensom. He swears that there was a bundle of hay 56lbs. weight, but it did not weigh above 30lbs.—he never weighed it—I took it to give the horses.

HARRIET HOBBS re-examined. Ballard took the hay from the back part of the barn, where Goosetree had thrown it, over the board of the barn—Ballard put it forwards, and laid it close to the door—it was out of my sight when he brought it forwards towards the door—there could be no object in bringing it so near—Ballard was working in the same barn, a little distance from the door—it was not brought near the chaff-bin, where he was cutting, but nearer the door of the barn.

Cross-examined. Q. You say he brought it within your view? A. Yes—I could not see from the window that he was cutting chaff—I knew where he was working—the bin stood two yards from the door.

FENSOM— GUILTY . Aged 28.— Confined One Month.


4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-935
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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935. ELLEN NORTON was indicted for stealing, on the 11th of March, 2 yards of calico, value 2s. 6d.; part of a sheet, value 6d.; and part of a pillow-case, value 3d.; the goods of Thomas Packard Clements, her master.

THOMAS PACKARD CLEMENTS . I live in Judd-street, and am a linen-draper. The Prisoner was in my service on the 9th of March—on the 11th my wife produced to me part of a sheet and part of a pillow-case—the prisoner was charged with taking them—she said she had done it, but would not do it again—I described her to pack up her boxes and go about

her business—I went up-stairs with my wife, and if her boxes found several lengths of longcloth, and one which had been cut into a proper length for a child's night-gown—it had a mark of mine on it—it was very peculiar longcloth—I know them to be mine—she said they were not ours at all—I repeated the accusation, and she admitted she took them, not out of the basket but out of the chair—I had a good character for honesty with her.

WILLIAM SHEEHY (police-constable S 74.) I apprehended the prisoner, and took these things.

THOMAS PACKARD CLEMENTS re-examined. These are my property—I paid her her wages and suffered her to go away, but I took her again the following day.

GUILTY . Aged 15.— Confined Three Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-936
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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936. ELLEN NORTON was again indicted for a misdemeanor.

ELIZABETH BRICKNELL . I am the wife of Jacob Thornby Bricknell, of a baker, who lives at No. 12, Judd-street. The prisoner came to my shop on the 12th of March—she asked me for tow quartern loaves for Mr. Clements—I said I had no state ones—she said new would do—she did not say she wanted state, but Mr. Clements generally had stale—he deals with us—I delivered them to her, believing her to be in his service—I did never seen her before—she first of all said the wanted two loaves for the linen-draper in Judd-street—I said, "Mr. Clements?"—she said "Yes."

THOMAS PARKER CLEMENTS . I had discharged the prisoner on the 11th in March—she was not out service on the 12th—I had not sent her for the bread.

Prisoner's Defence. I did not take the calico; but the other linen and the bread I did—the calico was on the kitchen table.

THOMAS PARKER CLEMENTS . It was locked in her box up-stairs.

GUILTY .—Aged 15.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-937
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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937. JOHN CLARK was indicted for stealing, on the 19th of March, 11b. 10ozs. of tea, value 6s., and 5 sheets of paper, value 2d., the goods of the West India Dock Company.

JAMES HAWES . I am a labourer, in the employ of the West India Dock Company. I have seen the prisoner employed there—I saw him coming from the place where the tea was, and I saw him take off his hat, and press something down into the crown of it, which rustled like tea—I followed him down into the yard, and gave information to a principal of my department—I saw no more of him till he was stopped.

FRANCIS FAIRBAIRNS . I am a Thames police-constable, stationed at the West India Docks. In consequence of information from Mr. Trimmings, the principal of the warehouse, I stopped the prisoner going out of the gate—I asked what he got in his hat—he said, nothing but his pocket-handkerchief—I pulled off his hat, and in his handkerchief was 1 1/2lb. of tea, all of one kind—I have compared it with the tea at the warehouse—it corresponds exactly in quality and flavour—I found 6 oz. more in his coat pocket, and 5 sheets of paper in his browsers pocket—in another pocket was some tea-paper—he told me he took this tea form a chest that was turned out to dry—I saw the chest where the tea was—they were in the act or repairing it—he said he hoped I would allow him to take it back, and he would give me a sovereign—I said I could not—he then said, "Allow me to take this dry part of it back"—I said I could not.

JOHN FOY . I am superintendent of the police at the West India Docks. I produce the Act of Parliament which constitutes them a company—the prisoner was a weigher of Customs at the docks—he was a revenue officer.

Prisoner. I took a little tea from a waste chest which was lying about—I did not think it was of any use or value. Witness. It was not damaged tea—the chest was broken—it is congou tea—it sells for about 8s. a pound.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY. Aged 25.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury.

Confined Six Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-938
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty

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938. CHARLES SEALEY was indicted for stealing, on the 2nd of March, 2 pairs of decanters, value 50s., the goods of William Vickery; also, on the 27th of February, 1 pair of decanters, value 1l., and 6 wine-glasses, value 10s., the goods of Michael Coleman Solomons; also, on the 25th of February, 1 saddle, value 1l., and 1 bridle, value 10s., the goods of William Phillips. To all of which the prisoner pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 49.— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-939
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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939. CONNELL KINGSBY was indicted for stealing, on the 13th of March, 1 handkerchief, value 5s., the goods of George Allder, from his person.

GEORGE ALLDER . I live in Bethnal-green, and am a chair and couch maker. On Sunday morning, the 13th of March, about half-past ten o'clock, I was at the bottom of Church-street, on my way to Shoreditch—I perceived something at my something at my pocket—I turned round, and saw the prisoner with my handkerchief in his hand—he gave it to another man, who went down York-street—I turned back and followed the prisoner, and he bought a penny pie—I told two policeman, but he got away—I them saw two other policeman, and told them, and they took the prisoner.

Cross-examined. Q. Where was the prisoner taken? A. In a coffee-shop, sitting by the fire-place—there were other persons there—when I felt the tug, there were more than two persons near me, and my attention was more particularly directed to the one who had my handkerchief—I followed him a little way, but I saw he was gone to such a neighbourhood, that I turned back and saw the prisoner—this coffee-shop was not many yards from where I first saw him—I am quite positive, I am not mistaken in him—not ten minutes had elapsed from my first seeing him till I saw him again—he had not finished the pie.

JOSEPH WORMALD (police-sergeant H 18.) On the 13th of March I was on duty in Church-street, and the prosecutor gave me a description of the prisoner—he was known by his description—we went down Church-street, and went into the coffee-shop—the prosecutor opened the door before me, and pointed out the prisoner to me, and gave him into custody—he said he did not know what he was taken for—I understood who the prosecutor meant before I saw the prisoner.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you say nothing to induce the prosecutor to give him in charge? A. No—he said, "That is the man"—the prisoner's mother mentioned about 10s., but nothing was said at the station-house about it.

Prisoner's Defence. I had been to take a pair of shoes home—as to going to any pie-shop, I did not I was in the coffee-shop—the policeman came, and said, "Is that him?"—he stood a moment, and said, "I don't

wish to give him in charge"—he said, "He took a handkerchief from me"—the officer said, "You must come to the station-house"—he took me; and in going along, the prosecutor kept feeling in his pocket—he said he was feeling for his other handkerchief.

GEROGE ALLDER re-examined. Q. Did you hesitate about giving him in charge? A. No, I gave him in charge directly—I generally take two handkerchiefs out with me, but I had but one that morning, which was a silk one—I took it out to use it, and the minute after I left tug at my pocket.

---- KINGSBY. I am the prisoner's mother. A young man came into the office to me, and said if I would give him 10s. he would not hurt him—that was not the prosecutor, but a young man that he sent—I said I had not got 10s.—he said, "Make haste home and get it, or you will be too late"—I went and asked a baker to lend me half-a-crown—I went back, and another young man called me back, and we went to a public-house, and he said, "Give me the 10s."—I said, "I don't know you"—that was not the prosecutor, but he came to them.

GEORGE ALDER re-examined. I happened to meet two of my shop-mates, who had been discharged from my employer, and they asked what I was about—I told them—they began first to talk to her, them to the prisoner, and they came to me, trying to persuade me to take this money, tail the officer turned them out.

Witness. He said he could not take less that 10s.—I heard him say so.

GEORGE ALLDER . That is not true.

JOSEPH WORMALD re-examined. When the prisoner was put back, the mother stepped forward, and told Mr. Broughton that the prosecutor had proposed to take 10s., and she had the money in her hand—he called the prosecutor up, and he denied it—I turned two or three persons away from the prisoner, because they were about him all the time—I cautioned the prosecutor not to make any promises at all to her—I said, "If you do you will be going wrong."

Prisoner. He went and had a pint of ale with two young woman, and he said, if my mother could get 10s., he would not appear.

GEORGE ALLDER . I went over; two girls came over, and then my two shop-mates came over—they asked me to drink—I refused, and then one of my shopmates said, "They have done no harm to you, you drink with them"—and then I just took the glass, and drank—I am quite sure I never said I could not take less than 10s.—I did not promise I would take 10s.—I made no agreement—one of the young men said, "shall I take it?"—they were trying to make me make it up, but I would not.

GUILTY . Aged 20.— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-940
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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940. JOHN BAKER was indicted for stealing, on the 17th of March, 1 sack, value 6s.; and 2 bushes of onions, value 4s. 6d., the goods of Thomas Ballard.

THOMAS BALLARD . I live in East-street, Spitalfields, and am a porter. I am in the habit of taking care of goods for market-gardeners—I had a sack of onions to take care, of for Joseph Jackson—I put them at the corner of East-street. under a penthouse—I left them at nine o'clock in the evening, on the 16th of March—I was called up a little before two o'clock the next morning, by Green, the officer, who told me one sack was gone—William Skilleter's name was on the sack—I found the sack of onions in a

dust-bin in a court—I stopped three of an hour and then left the officer to watch them.

SAMUEL GREEN (police-constable H 61.) I was on duty in Spital-fields-market on the morning of the 17th of March—I observed the covering of these sacks had been disturbed—I missed a sack of onions—I gave Ballard notice—I found the sack in Lamb-court, in a dust-bin, and told Cottle of it.

DANIEL COTTLE (police-constable H 121.) I went to Lamp-court—I waited in a privy to watch the dust-bin—at a quarter before six I heard the door of the dust-bin opened, and the ashes rustle—I waited there a minute or two—the prisoner took the sack out of the dust-bin, and took it in his arms—I took him to the station—I asked if it was his, and he said it was.

Prisoner. I was going to work, and he came out before I had the sack—I had not taken up at all. Witness. I am sure he had them in his arms—I remained in the privy till he had got them and was going away with them, that there should be no mistake.

JOSEPH JACKSON . I am servant to William Skilleter. I delivered to Ballard sixteen sacks of onions, fifteen were good onions, hand one was waste—this is sack that contained the waste onions—they were emptied out the same day.

Prisoner. I was going to the water-closet, and saw the sack of onions—I did not take them in my arms at all.

DANIEL CATTLE re-examined. There is a door to the dust-hole, and there is one to the privy—no one not acquainted with the place would know there was a dust-hole.

GUILTY .* Aged 18.— Confined Six Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-941
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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943. THOMAS EAST and MARY EAST were indicted for stealing, on the 17th of February, 2 blankets, value 1l.; 2 sheets, value 16s.; 1 pillow, value 6s.; 2 pillow-cases, value 2s.; and 1 quilt, value 8s.; the goods of Charles Burrows.

HENRIETTA GOULDING . I am wife of Joseph Goulding, of Finsbury-street, he is a lady's shoe-maker. On the 17th of March I was on a visit to Mrs. Burrows, the wife of Charles Burrows, No. 98. Bunhill-row—I was there in the absence to Mrs. Burrows—I saw the prisoner Thomas East—he came to look at a room, which he said was for his sister, who was cook in a family, and was going to leave her situation that day—he inquired if there was a furnished room to let—I told him there was—he said should see his sister shortly, and he would call again in an hour and a half—he called again, brought a small parcel, and said he had seen his sister, and she would come that evening, and he would leave the parcel, which he did—he came with the other prisoner in the evening—they were shown into a room on the second floor, and on going up-stairs he said to his sister, "You will not want a fire this evening"—I said there had been a fire for three hours in the room—when we got up, the female prisoner said how clean and comfortable it was, and she was much obliged to me—the man said, "I shall not be able to bring your boxes till ten o'clock to-morrow"—she said, "That will do"—I left them in the room, and went down stairs—in a quarter of an hour I heard a knock at the door, or the shop shutter, as if with a fist—I went to the door, and the female prisoner was two or three satires from the bottom, with a bundle—she said the would open the door—I thanked her, and said I would open it myself—I opened it, and saw

the make prisoner with a basket in his hand—he said he had been out to get some bread and cheese for her supper, and she said, "Will you lend me a jug to get some beer?" which I did—I stood talking with the female while the man went for some beer—he came back, and they went up-stairs—I then heard a noise at the door again, and went out and saw the woman on the stairs with a candle, blown out, partly concealed—she said it was very cold—I said. "I dare say you find it so"—she said "Yes, I have been standing over large fires, cooking three dinners a day"—the man was then outside—he said to her, "Come along"—she said, "I do not think I shall go out this evening"—he said, "Come along," and they went out, and at half past twelve o'clock we went up-stairs, found the door locked, and the key gone—we found the bed had been stripped of every thing—this is the quilt—blanket, and sheet, which came of the bed.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Have you given evidence respecting these articles before? A. Yes—the son of the female prisoner was taken for pledging them.

FREDERICK NEW ADAMS . I am shopman to Mr. Pige, pawnbroker, in Church-street. I produce this quilt and sheet, which were pledged on the 18th of February, about seven o'clock in the evening—the same person afterwards brought this blanket—he was then sopped with it.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you know who he was? A. I have heard that he was the son of the female prisoner.

WILLIAM BAKER ASHTON (police-sergeant G 11.) I apprehended the male prisoner on the 12th of March, at Richmond-street, St. Luke's—as we went to the station-house, he said he knew he had done wrong by bringing his sister to Mrs. Betts, which was all he did—I said, "You had better hold your tongue, you will have some other charges brought against you, and particularly one of taking out a basket of goods from Mrs. Goulding's—he said. "Unfortunately I did, but it was by the advice of my sister."

GEORGE AVERY (police-constable G 5.) I was present with Ashton—what he has stated is correct—I apprehended the female prisoner at Barossa-street, Commercial-road.

Prisoner Mary East. I was sent for to go to that house, to see some letters which had been received from my son. Witness. I had information that letter was to be sent to Barrossa-street, to the mother of the had who was transported last session—this is the letter I got from her, addressed to, "Mary East," and in the wrapper they desired that it should not be delivered to any person but his mother.

JOHN BACKWAY . I am in the service of Mr. Capel, a pawnbroker, of Old-street. This pillow was pledged by a woman in the name of Ann Cooper.

Thomas East. I came to town and met my sister, who asked me to look for a room for her, which I did, but I did not go into the room, nor did I speak to Mrs. Goulding—I went there in the evening—had some beer in the room, and then came down and left the house.



Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-942
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty; Guilty > unknown

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942. THOMAS EAST and MARY EAST were again indicted for stealing, on the 12th of March, 2 blankets, value 6s.; 1 bed rug, value 3s.; 1 pillow and case, value 8d.; 1 bolster, value 3s. and 1 candle-stick, value 1s.; the goods of John Favell Betts, to which.

Mary East pleaded Guilty .

ALICE BETTS . I live at No. 10 1/2, Richmond-street, Old-street, and am the wife of John Favell Betts. He is a clerk in an insurance office—Thomas East came on Saturday morning to ask for a room for himself and son, a little boy—I said he could not well have it that day—he said he must if he could, as he had just come from the country, and was at a public house, which was expensive—he said he was a cabinet-maker, but was not in employ at present—I said if he was sober, and a good workman, I thought I could get him work—I said, "I suppose you can give me some reference"—he looked at the room, and asked if there were good sheets—I said they were good common sheets—good enough for my children, and good enough for me, when I had 200l. a year—he said he could give me a reference to a person in Henry-street—he staid in the room I should think five or six weeks—he did not pay one farthing, and I lent him 1s. 6d.—he said he was a pensioner—he asked me to let my servant make a fire that night, and she did, and then he went up into the room, and after a while, he said, could I lend him a mug to get some porter in—while he was gone I went up-stairs, but the door was locked—I have since found that that night a blanket of mine was pawned—I did not see the woman, but I understood she had been harboured there all along—one day my servant asked if she should clean the room out, and he said, no, his sister was out of place, he had got her there, and she should do it—I lent him a pail and brush, and he came down with his sleeves tucked up, and said he had given it a good cleaning—he said he had been a sailor and could do it.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. You have understood that this woman had access to the house? A. He told me that she was in the room, but I did not see her.

COURT. Q. How soon did you get into the room? A. Never got a sight of the room, till the officers came to take the male prisoner—he had desired to be denied that night—he told my servant so—I then missed my blankets, bed-rugs, pillow, pillow-cases, bolster, and several other little things.

THOMAS WALKER . I am shopman to Mr. Birkett, of Brick-lane, Old-street. I have a blanket and two sheets—the sheets were pleaded on the 18th of March, and the blankets in March, in the name of Harrison, by a man—this is the duplicate of the blanket.

JOHN BACKWAY . I am apprentice to Mr. Capel, of Old-street. I produce a counterpane, pledged on the 13th of February, by a man, in the name of John Cooper—I do not know who he was—this is the duplicate that was given for it.

Cross-examined. Q. It was a man pawned it? A. Yes, or I should not have put John on the ticket—it might have been a boy.

ALICE BETTS . These are my counterpane and other articles, which I let with the room to the male prisoner—I saw this candlestick at the old iron shop, at the corner of the street.

WILLIAM BAKER ASHTON (police-constable G 11.) I apprehended the male prisoner—he delivered up the duplicates of this property and other things at the station-house.

THOMAS HENRY HARRISON . I am shopman to Mr. Brooks, No. 10, White-cross-street,

I produce a sheet pawned by a woman, whom I believe to be the female prisoner.

ALICE BETTS . This was let with the room.

WILLIAM BAKER ASHTON . I found seven duplicates on the side-board, which he said were his sister's—I then went to the station-house, and asked if there were not any more duplicates relating to Mrs. Betts—he said if I would go to the room and look again, and come to him again, he would see—I could not go there again—he then said something to the boy, and then handed these duplicates to me.

Thomas East. Avery said that there was a light in the room, and when they were coming. I put the light out, and there was no light but the fire, nor had there been all the evening.

GEORGE AVERY . I stated that when we went to his house, he was denied—we were told there was no such person—then we went to another person and inquired, and he said he was there—we went back to the house again—I said, it is no use playing with us, the man is in the house, and we will have him—I went up-stairs and saw a light over a door, and I said, "He is here you may depend upon it"—we knocked, but there was no answer. and there was an apron hung over the fan light—I broke the door open, and the male prisoner was there—I was surrounded by three or four woman—I called Ashton, who took the prisoner—I said to Mrs. Betts, "Now, for a thousand, you are robbed"—we took down the bedstead, and every thing was gone—the bed was rolled up ready to be taken away.

ALICE BETTS . He had come down that evening, and borrowed a bed winch, and that was found at a friend of his who recommended him to that lodging—I did not know I was robbed till the officers came there.

THOMAS EAST— GUILTY . Aged 40.— Both Transported Seven Years more.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-943
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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943. MARY EAST was again indicted , for stealing on the 16th of December, 3 blankets, value 20s.; 2 pillows, value 8s.; 2 sheets, value 4s.; 1 counterpane, value 3s.; 2 knives, value 1s. 6d.; 2 forks, value 6d.; 3 plates, value 6d.; 1 dish, value 6d.; 1 jug, value 1s. 6d.; 2 cups, 3d.; 1 pair of snuffers, value 6d.; and 1 frying pan, value 1s. 6d.; the goods of Thomas Sears.

SOPHIA SEARS . I live in West-row, St. James, Westminster, and am the wife of Thomas Scars. The prisoner's son took a loading there for her—she name to reside there on the 12th of December, send remained there till the 16th—I lost every article belonging to the place—she was to pay 5s. a-week—the account given or her was, that she was a cook leaving her place, and must come there that night—my daughter took the sheets of me, and took them up-stairs with the prisoner, who told me she had just left her situation, and her boxes could not be brought there that night it was late on Saturday evening, but she would bring them on Monday—we suppose she went on the 16th—she borrowed a quart jug, and the key of the street door; and the key of the rook door she took away with her—the room was cleared of every thing but the chairs and table—her son occupied the room with her.

JAMES ALDOUS . I am son of Mr. Aldous, a pawnbroker, in Berwick-street, Soho. I have two blankets, and a pillow, pawned by a female in the name of Smith.

ALFRED BROUGH . I am apprentice to Mr. Harrison, pawnbroker,

Somer's-town. I have a blanket pawned by a female, whom I do not know, in the name of Ann Smith.

(Property produced and sworn to.)

Prisoner's Defence. I have lived twenty-six years in gentleman's families, and never had anything against me before.

GUILTY Aged 46.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-947
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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947. GEORGE LYONS and GEORGE WALLS were indicted for stealing, on the 11th of March, 1 handkerchief, value 4s., the goods of Samuel Potter, from his person.

THOMAS FARRANT (police-constable C 159.) On the light of the 11th of March I was in Regent-street—I saw the two prisoners in company with another, walking arm in arm up Regent-street, behind a gentleman, some distance—they then returned to the Quadrant—Mr. Potter then passed, and they followed him—I saw the one, who is not in custody, put his hand into Mr. Potter's coat pocket, and take something out—he turned round Beak-street, and went towards Golden-square—the two prisoners followed him, and in John-street, by the square, they were all conversing together—Hobbs and I followed them—I took Wallis, and Hobbs secured Lyons and the other—the moment that Hobbs had hold of Lyons, I saw him throw form his right hand this handkerchief, which I picked up—a scuffle then ensued with Lyons and the other—they knocked Hobbs down, and kicked him when he was down.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Your suit looks new to me? A. Yes, it has been new this year—I resigned in the police and went to work—that did not suit me, and I took to the police again—I was not in the police at the time I took the prisoner—I was wanting to go on the police on that day—I had come form the watch-house with Hobbs—I went there to see if there was a vacancy, as I was to have the next vacancy—I had been there with two pick-pockets the same night—I was acting then as an amateur—I have had only one situation since I left the police force—I then went to work for Mr. Smart a gold and silver refiner, and melter—I have seen Mr. Smart in the other court—I took a man from his shop, who was transported—I have not known Mr. Smart's house searched for property charged as stolen—Mr. Smart has only been once called to give an account of property—I went there on that occasion, and Mr. Smart was brought here as a witness—two years after that, we arranged that I should leave the police and enter his service—I had been to his house frequently before that—he used to tell the police to give him information if any thing was lost, and we left bills at Mr. Smart's and the pawnbrokers—I did not go to his house before I was his servant, and charge him with having stolen property—he gave it me without my demanding it—I had never been a melter of silver and gold before; but after he was in this Court, I went into his service—he keeps the shop now, for any thing I know—I do not know that it is shut up—I left him the latter end of February.

Q. How long was if after you left Mr. Smart, and before you got into the police, before you turned thief-catcher? A. Six or seven weeks—it was six weeks to the best of knowledge—I am sure it was more than a fortnight—I did not go out at night—if I saw any person taken by day I assisted—I went into the country as I was ill—I resigned, because I had not been treated just as I ought to have been—I did not expect to be discharged—there was a complaint made against me—I had seen

Lyons about a fortnight before—I do not know that I ever spoke to him, but he has shook his fist at me when he has been out shop-lifting.

THOMAS HOBBS (police-constable C 83.) I was in company with Farrant on the 11th of March, and saw the two prisoners, in company with a third, go up the Quadrant, and follow a gentleman up Regent-street—they went some distance, and then turned back to the corner of Glasshouse-street—then Mr. Potter was going up—they all turned and followed him—I saw the one who has escaped go close to Mr. Potter—they then turned, and went down Beak-street—they got to Upper John-street, when I took Lyons with my right hand, and the one who made his escape with my left hand—I saw Lyons throw a handkerchief form him to the rails—I called to Farrant to take the handkerchief, and they knocked me down, and struck me, and kicked me—I afterwards searched Lyons at the station-house—I found a watch, a seal, a purse with some money in it—(I believe seven foreign pieces,) and two or three sovereigns, which were given to him at the office—there was a breast-pin, with a chain and a ring, and another handkerchief in his pocket.

Wallis. Q. Was I company with Lyons? A. You were close by—they all three walked down Beak-street, close to one another.

Cross-examined. Q. Were they arm in arm? A. I cannot say, but they were close together—the one that escaped advanced about two yards before the others—it was between ten and eleven o'clock at night—I cannot say how long Farrant had I had been out—we might have met in the morning, or it might be after dinner—I do not know where I met him—I might have rung his bell for him—I have done it on other days.

SAMUEL POTTER . I live Farringdon-street, and am a medical student. I was in Regent-street—the witness came and told me I had lost my handkerchief—I found it was gone—he told me to wait, and he would bring it to me—this is it—it had been lent me by a friend that evening—I had used it.

Cross-examined. Q. You had it in your possession? A. Yes, two or three hours—I examined it at the office—there was no mark—I will not swear to it—I had a slight cold, and had used it—I had not taken any particular notice of the pattern—I know it had a red border, and white inside—I have not the slightest doubt that it is the one I had that evening.

Wallis. I am quite innocent of the crime.

Lyons. I went to the west end of the town, and, going up Regent-street, I turned down a street to take some refreshment in a public house—I had just come out, and was overtaken by two persons—as they passed me, one policeman seized me and another young man, and the other policeman took this other man—I put up my arm to put the officer away, and it is not likely I could throw a handkerchief away—I stated at the station-house that I had just come from America—if I had not, he would most likely have said he had known me before.


4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-948
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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948. JOHN POWELL was indicted for stealing, on the 6th of March, 3 pair of boots, value 15s., the goods of William Wright; and that he had been before convicted of felony.

WILLIAM WRIGHT . I am superintendent of the Children's Friend Society, at Hackney Wick. The prisoner was one of the inmates,—he was three weeks or a month there the last time—he was there

twice—the first time he absconded—on the 5th of March I missed him form supper, and immediately after supper I missed three pairs of new boots—he was brought back by his father-in-law—I asked him what he had done with the three pairs of bootshe said he knew nothing of them—I told him I should send for an officer, and have him apprehended, and he must account for them in another place—I went out, leaving him and his father-in-law in a private room—in a short time I saw them again, and his father-in-law stated in his presence that he had pledged the boots, and that he would give the duplicates up to me—the prisoner said the duplicates were concealed near Haggerstone church—I went with him there immediately, and saw him draw the duplicates from a cervice in the wall of an unfinished house—he gave them to me—I requested him to return back to the asylum, but he refused—I took him to a member of the committee of management, who lived within a quarter of a mile—he advised me to give him in charge—I have seen the three pairs of boots at Worship-street.

JOHN LINDO . I am one of the boys in the asylum at Hackney Wick. I saw the prisoner on Saturday, the 5th of March, about the time the boys were going to supper, with a pair of boots under his jacket, in his hand, and he went out of the school.

WILLIAM PAYNE . I belong to the asylum. I saw the prisoner take up a pair of boots from beneath Mr. Wright's desk.

JOHN ALTON . I am foreman to Mr. Catton, Hackney-road, pawnbroker. I have a pair of boots pawned on Saturday night, the 5th of March, by the prisoner, for 2s., in the name of John Powell—I asked him whose they were—he said they were his own, that he bought them for his own wear—they are about his size—I had known him before—he was not in the school dress.

FREDERICK GILES . I am foreman to Mr. Harris, of Hackney-road, a pawnbroker. I have a pair of new boots, pledged on Saturday night, the 5th of March, for 2s. 6d., by the prisoner—he gave the proper answers, and said they were his own—I had known him before.

JOSEPH MARSHALL . (police-constable N 259). I took the prisoner—I produce another pair of boots, which I received from Mr. Capel, a pawnbroker.

WILLIAM WRIGHT . These are the boots which were taken from the school—they were fitted for certain boys, and the names of the boys are written on them—these are the duplicates taken from the wall, the counterparts of what the pawnbrokers have here.

GEORGE KEMP (police-constable N 82). I produce the certificate of the prisoner's former conviction, which I got from the clerk of the peace (read)—the prisoner is the person.

GUILTY . Aged 14.— Confined Three Months.

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Reference Numbert18360404-949
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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949. ANN JOPLING was indicted for stealing, on the 28th of November, 1 pair of trowsers, value 7s., the goods of George Roxby; and 1 breast-pin, value 3s., the goods of William Joseph Roxby.

MARY ROXBY . I live in Wellington-street, my husband's name is William Joseph Roxby. The prisoner took a room in my house—I lost the trowsers, which were my son George's, and the breast-pin was my hun band's's.

WILLIAM BIRD . I am a pawnbroker, in the service of Mr. Dexter, of Whitechapel-road—I have a pair of browsers and a breast-pin—cannot

swear that the prisoner pledged them—I have the counterpart of the duplicate.

MARY RYAN . I am the wife of Timothy Ryan, a policeman, G 153. I searched the prisoner at the station-house on the 12th of March—I found on her these duplicates of the trowsers and breast pin.

GUILTY .—Aged 25.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-950
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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950. ANN JOPLING was again indicted for stealing, on the 2nd of March, 2 aprons. value 2s.; 3 handkerchiefs, value 4s.; 1 sheet, value 5s.; and 1 waistcoat, value 3s.; the goods of Ellen Welch.

ELLEN WELCH . I live in Long-alley, Worship street, and am a widow. The prisoner lodged with me—she is not single—I missed my things.

WILLIAM PARDO BIDDLE . I am a pawnbroker. I produce two aprons, one handkerchief, a waistcoat, and sheet, which were pledged (but I did not take them in) in the name of Ann and Mary Taylor, one on the 26th of February, the other one on the 2nd of March.

ELLEN WELCH . These are my property, which I lost from my own room—she did not pay all her rent.

MARY RYAN . I found two duplicates relating to this case on the prisoner, which correspond with this handkerchief, waistcoat, aprons, and sheet—I found fifty-four duplicates in all, but only nine applied to the property lost.

GUILTY . Aged 25.— Confined for Six Months.

Fifth Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-951
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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951. THOMAS MARK WILLIS was indicted for stealing, on the 4th of March, 1 handkerchief, value 3s.; and 1 waistcoat, value 4s.; the goods of Benjamin Fitzjohn; to which he pleaded

GUILTY .— Confined for Five Days.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-952
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment; Corporal > whipping

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952. WILLIAM TIBBS was indicted for embezzlement; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 14.— Confined for Three Months and Whipped.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-953
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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953. JOHN EDWARDS was indicted for stealing, on the 11th of March, 1 handkerchief, value 4s., the goods of John Moore Cookesley, from his person.

JOHN MOORE COOKESLEY . On the 11th of March, about eleven o'clock in the evening, I was in Beer-street—in consequence of what was said to me by Mr. Fiske, I turned and saw the prisoner—I saw this pocket handkerchief, which I had in my possession before.

ZACHARIAS RICHARD FISKE . I was in company that evening with Mr. Cookesley—I saw the prisoner take this handkerchief from his pocket—I turned and took him, and he dropped it.

Prisoner's Defence. I was returning from Bond-street, and in Beer-street I passed the two gentlemen—I trod on something, which I saw was a handkerchief—I stooped and picked it up—the last gentleman took me, and accused me of picking his friend's pocket—I said I picked it up.

MR. FESKE. I turned my head and saw him take it out of the prosecutor's pocket.

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined for Six Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-954
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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954. WILLIAM PRICE was indicted for stealing, on the 5th of March, 1 kettle, value 4s., the property of Ely Brooke; to which he pleaded

GUILTY.— Judgement Respited.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-955
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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955. EVAN THOMAS was indicted of stealing, on the 14th of March, 1 cheese, value 9s., the goods of Thomas Kirby.

OWEN MURPHY . I am shopman to Mr. Thomas Kirby, of Tottenham-court-road. On the 14th of March we had some cheeses outside the shop—a woman came to the door, and told me something—I then ran out, and saw one cheese was gone—I ran to the corner of Percy-street, and saw the prisoner running down the street with the cheese under his arm—this is it—it is my master's—to the best of my belief it is his—there was a mark on it; but it was dropped in the mud, and I cannot trace the letters.

Prisoner. I saw persons running, and I ran myself, and this man came and took me—I asked not the cheese.

THOMAS JOHN CROOK . I was in Tottenham-court-road—I saw the prisoner and another standing by the prosecutor's shop—I saw another take the cheese from under the window, and give it to the prisoner, who ran down Percy-street with it.

ALFRED WILSON . I saw the prisoner running through Percy-street into Rathbone-place—he had this cheese under his arm—he is the person.

Prisoner. Q. Did you keep your eye on me all the time? Witness. I kept my eye on him till he got round the corner.

GUILTY . Confined Three Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-956
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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956. THOMAS MARTIN was indicted for stealing, on the 17th of March, 1 pair of boots, value 2s., the goods of Richard Henry Ashford; and that he had before been convicted of felony.

JAMES CHAMPTON . I am shopman to James Henry Ashford, of Bethnal-green-road. I received information, and missed a pair of boots—I saw the prisoner, and pointed him out to a policeman, who caught him.

PATRICK LARKIN (police-constable H 152.) I was on duty, and heard a cry of "Stop thief"—I ran after the prisoner, and overtook him—I searched, but found nothing on him—a baker picked up a pair of boots about two yards from the prisoner, and about a quarter of a mile from the shop—I had run five or six hundred yardshe was taken by another man.

JAMES CHAMPTON re-examined. Q. Did you see the prisoner near your door? A. Yes—twenty or thirty yards off—it was between two and three o'clock in the day—a number of persons were about.

MARK MEADOWS (police-constable H 93.) I produce the certificate of the prisoner's former conviction, which I got from the Clerk of the Arraigns (read)—the prisoner is the man.

PATRICK LARKIN re-examined. I saw the prisoner drop the boots—I quite forgot to state that before.

JURY. Q. Were there other persons near him? A. Yes—on my oath, I saw him drop them—I do not know whether there were any persons between him and the boots—I was about eight or ten yards from him.

GUILTY. Aged 20.—(Recommended to mercy by the Jury.)— Confined One Year.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-957
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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957. MARY ANN BARRY was indicted for stealing, on the 15th of April, 3 shillings, 4 sixpences, and 5s. in copper, the monies of Daniel Hayes.

JULIA HAYES . The prisoner is a relation of my husband, Daniel Hayes—she lodged at our house—on the 15th of April I folded up the money

stated, and handed it to her to put into a cupboard—I was in bed—she went out, and came back in about an hour and a half—she had been drinking, and began to blow we up—I told her to go down; and, as she got drunk, to get sober; and my little girl saw her take the money—I ran down stairs after her; but I was in my shift, and could not follow her—I did not see her again for three weeks.

Prisoner. On the Sunday before, I had lent her 5s. 2d. in money—I said, "Give me my money, and I will go"—she got up, and threw me down stairs—I returned back, and said, "Give me my money and shawl;" and she said, "When it suits me I shall pay"—I went away, and went to a relation's in Rosemary-lane; and she came there on the Tuesday night—she said I had robbed her—I thought she was joking then—afterwards I was in the Borough, and she gave charge of me. Witness. I did not find the prisoner at the place where I went to—I did not see her for three weeks, when I gave her in charge.

Prisoner. Q. Did you not see me in O'Neil's? A. No; I did not.

COURT. Q. Have you a husband? A. Yes—he is a labouring man—he gets sometimes 3s. a-day—he has but 12s. a-week now.

JAMES WARE . (police-sergant M 31.) I took the prisoner—she denied having taken any money—she did not then say that the lent the prosecutrix any money—she said so on the Monday—I heard the prosecutrix say she had called at O'Neil's to find her, but could not—when I met them, I was on duty in High-street, in the Borough—the prosecutrix had hold of the prisoner by the arm, and when I came up, she gave her in charge.

Prisoner. She came in the house, and spoke to me after dinner—she walked out, and bid the man of the house good evening—she spoke to him as good as a dozen words—she cannot deny that with a clear conscience.

JULIA HAYES re-examined. I did not see her—my little girl is ten years old—she would not swear to the woman.

JURY. Q. Did you see her take the money? A. Yes; I was in bed—the money was in the cupboard—there were no curtains round the bed—she took it with her right hand as she was sitting in the chair—the child called me, and said, "Mother, mother, has aunty and business talking the money?"

GUILTY . Aged 32.— Confined Six Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-958
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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958. BENJAMIN BENYON was indicted for stealing, on the 3d of March, two candlesticks, value 5s., the goods of Ann Edwards, his mistress.

ANN EDWARDS . I live in Hornsby-street, Pearson-street, Kingsland. The prisoner worked for me—on the 3d of March I saw him in the kitchen—I asked him what he was going to do—he said he wanted some hay for the horses—he went into the stable, and came in again—I asked him what he had under his clothes—he said, "Nothing but old brass"—I said, "Let us look"—he ran out, and said, "Come out, and I will show you"—he ran into the stable, went out the other way, and ran off—I sent after him, and he was stopped—these two candlesticks are mine.

Prisoner. I found the candlesticks in the kitchen.

JAMES WELLS . I ran after the prisoner, and found this candlestick on his person—I gave it to Mrs. Edwards—she found the other candlestick.

(Benjamin Werly, the prisoners's grandfather, and Mr. Woolcombe, gave him a good character.)

GUILTY. Aged 13.—Recommended to mercy.— Confined Four Days.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-959
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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959. JAMES TIMMS was indicted for stealing, on the 20th of February, 1 cloak, value 8s., goods of William Wild, his master; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 29.— Confined one Month.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-960
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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960. DAVID M'GRATH was indicted for stealing, on the 16th of March, 4 pewter pots, value 6s., the goods of Thomas Oliver.

THOMAS OLIVER . I keep the Hunter's Arms. Compton-street, St. Pancras. On the 16th of March I was in the bar—the prisoner came from the tap-room through the passage—I saw he had the pots in question in a black apron tied round him—my wife said, "There is a man going out of the door with some pots"—he went to the door, and was rather impeded by a chain, but he got out—I followed, and about a yard from the door I collared him—he had two quarts, and two pint pots.

Prisoner. Q. Did not the man at the bar lay hold of my shoulder and say, "This way?" A. No—he opened the door to let you out—you told me Gibbs had been fighting—I did not lend you any pots out the day before—I might have let you have one with beer in it when you lived in the court, but not at this time.

Prisoner. Gibbs wanted to take the pots, and I ran out to the bar with them—I took them up, and went down the court, which is not the way to my house—I took two with me first, and then these two pints were outside the door—the bar was full of people, and then Gibbs was coming after me.

EDWARD RAMSHIRE . I am a police-constable. I took the prisoner, and have got the pots—I found them on the prisoner, in his apron—he told me he got them from the tap-room—he was about three yards from the door.

GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Three Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-961
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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961. THOMAS SHACKLEFORD was indicted for stealing, on the 19th of March, 1 copper, value 10s., the goods of James Greig, the same being fixed to a certain building.

JAMES GREIG . I live in Tonbridge-place, New-road. I saw this copper safe one week before I missed it, which was on the 19th of March—this is it—I swear it is mine.

EDWARD RAMSHIRE (police-constable E 58.) About eight o'clock on Saturday night, the 19th of March, I stopped the prisoner in the New-road, with the copper.

GUILTY. (Recommended to mercy my Prosecutor.)

Confined Fourteen days.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-962
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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962. THOMAS STACK was indicted for stealing, on the 27th of March, 1 coat, value 2s. 6d.; and 1 pair of trowsers, value 5s.; the property of our Lord the King; and 1 purse, value 3d.; and the sum of 3d. in copper money; the goods and monies of William Cross.—2nd COUNT, stating it all to be the goods and property of William Cross.

WILLIAM CROSS . I am a private in the third battalion first regiment

of Grenadier Guards. On the night of the 26th of March, I went with Martha Willitt to No. 2, Church-street, St. Giles—I went to bed there, and left my jacket and browsers in the chair—on Sunday morning they were gone—Willitt was in bed with me when I missed them.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS Q. Had you only one pair of trowsers? A. Yes, I had two pair, but I had only one pair there—the door was shut when I went to bed—I was sober—I was never in the house before—I am sure Martha was in bed all night—I went to sleep part of the time—I had no suspicion of her—I had frequently seen her before—I told her I had lost my clothes—she went and got the policeman to search the house—I had given her some money before I went to bed.

MARTHA WILLITT . I remember the prosecutor coming to No. 2, Church-street, that night—he put the clothes on the chair—I did not take them away.

Cross-examined. Q. Who lived in that house? A. I only know one who lives in the front parlour—that is Caroline Jordan—she slept there that night—she was not in the habit of coming to my room—she outside passage door was always open—the door belonging to my room was bolted inside, but in the morning I found it wide open—any one outside could open it by a knife or any thing—Caroline was not acquainted with the way to open it—but I do not know what was to prevent her—she is not here.

WILLIAM DODD (police-sergeant E 9.) At four o'clock in the morning, on the the of March, I met the prisoner in Fitzroy-court, nearly the distance of the length of Tottenham-court-road from where this robbery was committed—I saw he had something bulky under his clothes, and went to take him—he sprang away-and these trowsers fell from his coat—he paused a few yards off—I was then about to take him again, and he threw down this coat—he went into the house, No., Hambrook-court—I waited a few minutes—another officer came, and we went in and found him on the landing, shamming—every door was shut to the house but the outer one—I told him I wanted him for the soldier's clothes—he said he knew nothing about them.

Cross-examined. Q. Was the outer door open? A. Yes, any one could get it—I knew him before—I brought him down—I found in the jacket pocket some money, and in the trowsers pocket a purse.

Prisoner's Defence. At half-past twelve o'clock on Saturday night, I saw Tool, as I was going home—he said to me, "Tom, you are not in liquor to-night"—I said "Good night"—I went to my aunt's and they were gone to bed—I laid down and slept till half-past one o'clock—then this officer came and said, "Do you know anything about a soldier's clothes?"—I said I did not.

WILLIAM TOOLE . I am a policeman. I looked seen the prisoner that night in Fitzroy-court, about one o'clock—I was quite close to him—he was about 40 yards from his own house—he was going from the house—I did not speak to him nor he to me.

(Mr. Fletcher, 15, Bread-street, Blackfriars; James Fletcher, waterman, Bread-street, Blackfriars; Elizabeth Goodwin, Fitzroy-market; Esther Gilham; and Thomas Gray, a baker, Fitzroy-court; gave the prisoner a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 24.— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-963
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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963. JOHN JONES was indicted for stealing, on the 12th of March, 1 glass basin, value 15s., the goods of James Thornton.

JAMES THORNTON . On Saturday, the 12th of March, between one and two o'clock, while I was in my shop, my eldest son cried out to me—I came out of my workshop, and pursued the prisoner—Mr. Hudson secured him in my presence—this sugar-basin was found on him—it is mine—I had seen it a little before in my shop.

JOHN HUDSON . I saw the prisoner running, and Mr. Thornton came very soon after—I stopped him, and he gave this basin up.

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Three Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-964
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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964. ELIZA CURTIS was indicted for stealing a dress and shawl, value 2l., the goods of Ann Archibald; to which she pleaded

GUILTY .— Confined Four Days.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-965
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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965. EMMA SMITH was indicted for stealing, on the 3rd of March, 1 sheet, value 2s. 6d.; 1 table-cloth, value 7s.; and 1 counterpane, value 2s. 6d.; the goods Hyam Abrahams.

ANN ABRAHAMS . I am the wife of Hyam Abrahams, and live in Crawford-passage, Clerkenwell. The prisoner lodged there from the 22nd of February to the 4th of March, with a man who I thought was her husband—I do not know that he is not—the counterpane and sheet were in their room, but the table-cloth and a shawl were in the kitchen—I missed them on the 3rd of March—she was still there.

JAMES GOLDEN . I am a pawnbroker, and live in Clerkenwell. I produce a counterpane and sheet—the prisoner pledged the sheet on the 27th of February, and the counterpane of the 3rd of March.

JOHN CLARIDGE . I am a pawnbroker, and live in High Holborn. I produce a table-cloth pawned by the prisoner.

(Property produced and sworn to.)

Prisoner. My husband deserted me, and I was very much distressed.

GUILTY . Aged 23.— Confined One Month.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-966
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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966. ANN KING was indicted for stealing, on the 17th of March, 2 handkerchiefs, value 2s.; and 1 skirt of a frock, value 4s.; the goods of Frederick Edwards.

THOMAS CHARLES DURRANT . I am shop-boy to Frederick Edwards, of Hoxton, a pawnborker. I saw the prisoner come to the door on the 17th of March—she snatched these articles down—the skirt of the frock tore from the body—she ran out—I pursued, and caught her within about fifty yards—she said it was the first time she ever did any thing of the kind—these are the things—they are my master's.

WILLIAM ARNOLD . I am an officer. I took the prisoner, and have had the property ever since.

(Joseph Blanket, of Bethnal-green; and Jane Bishop, gave the prisoner a good character.)

GUILTY. Aged 19.—Recommended to mercy to mercy by the Jury.

Confined One Month.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-967
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation; Guilty > with recommendation

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967. GEORGE CROSBY and THOMAS SWAIN were indicted for staling, on the 7th of March, 1 wheelbarrow, value 18s.; the goods of James Cronk.

RICHARD MERONY (police-constable H 197.) On the 8th of March, about one or two o'clock, I saw the two prisoners together in Dock-street, Rosemary-Jane—Swain had the barrow in his arms, and Crosby was standing

by with his hand on the barrow, bargaining with Swain to sell it to a woman—Crosby wanted 5s. for it—I went up and asked if he wanted to sell it—Crosby said he wanted 7s. for it—I said would not 6s. do—he said, "No"—I took them in charge.

Crosby. He said, "What do you want for the barrow?"—Swain said, 7s.—I was four yards from him. Witness. Swain never asked the money at all—Crosby did, not Crosby said he found it at the back of the King's Arms.

JAMES CRONK . I missed this barrow on Monday, the 27th of March—it is mine.

ELLEN HAWKINS . I saw the prisoners go by the door while I was standing at it—they had a barrow—Swain was driving it, and I believe the other was Crosby; but I am sure Swain was one.

Swain. There are more than one that wear things alike—she did not see my face.

Crosby. She said at the Office she could only tell me by my fustian trowsers.

CROSBY— GUILTY [Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor, being in distress. See original trial image.]. Aged 18. SWAIN— GUILTY. Aged 21.Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor, being in distress.

Confined Two Months.

OLD COURT,—Friday, April 8, 1836.

Third Jury, before Mr. Sergeant Arabin.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-968
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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968. DAVID DALY was indicted for a rape.


Before Mr. Justice Gaselee.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-969
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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969. PHILIP PARR and JOSEPH SNELL were indicted for a robbery on William Clerk, on the 4th of March, putting him in fear and taking from his person, and against his will, 1 watch, value 2l.; 4 seals, value 2l.; and 1 watch-chain, value 6d.; his property.

WILLIAM CLARK . I am a cooper's labourer, and live in Easton-street. On Friday evening, the 4th of March, about half-past eight o'clock, I was coming from home, and going to Laystall-street—coming up Mount Pleasant, I saw two young men scrummaging or fighting together; I could not well tell which—I went on one side—I passed them—Parr after me, and caught me round the waist, and threw me into the kennel—I did not know him before—he thew me down and doubled his knee into my belly—I lost my senses then for a bit, and laid flat on my back, with my heard being bruised against the paved stones—when I recovered, I got on my hands and knees—I found my watch lying on the pavement by the side of me—the buttons were all torn off my waistcoat, which was torn open; and I found my watch-fob pulled right out of my trowsers—I got up, and put my watch into my side-pocket, and buttoned my coat—I followed the prisoner Parr into Pool's-buildings—he returned from Pool's-buildings into Laystall-street, when I met a policeman, and gave him in charge—the policeman took him into a wine-vault to search him, and asked me for the watch—I delivered it to him—I lost the seals and things, besides the watch—they were all lying by my side—I picked them all off the pavement.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Did Parr appear to be very drunk? A. He put his hands round me threw me down, doubled his

knee into me, and made me black all round—I did not know that the prisoners belonged to the parish workhouse—I cannot say whether my head was on the ground—I cannot say about what I was very queer in my head, and did not walk steady and comfortably, althouogh I would follow him—I been ill before—I do not think I laid on the ground more than five minutes—I had taken nothing to drink that day—I was under the doctor's hands—I did not see any body take my watch—it laid about a foot from me I was thrown down by main force—I cannot say whether Parr was drunk—I never saw him before, but the two men were struggling together as if drunk, or going to fight—did not lose ant thing—I do not think Parr and drunk—when the policeman took him he pretended to be drunk, but at the station-house he spoke as well as I could speak—he might have had a drop of drink, but he came to his recollection, talking to the gentleman there; but as for Snell, I could not swear he is the man who was with him—I saw two togeth—I had 3d. in my hand, and that I kept in my hand—I never loosened my money—my hand was clenched—I was merely going out to get some saveloys for supper.

ROBERT MATTHEWS . I am a steel pen maker, and five in Baynes-row, Clerkenwell. On the 4th of March, I was coming down Baynes-row, towards Mount Pleasant, about nine o'clock—I saw the prisoner insulting every person they met—they stopped a seafaring man, and he pushed them away from him, and passed on—directly after that I met the prosecutor coming along Mount Pleasant—the two prisoners pushed him about ten yards—the prisoner Parr turned round, went up to the prosecutor, took him round the waist, threw him on the ground, and knelt on him, and drew his watch from his fob—when he saw me he let the watch fall on the pavement—he got up and staggered away, pretending to be intoxicated, and went round into Pool's-buildings—I brought him out of there, down to the prosecutor, who was standing in Mount Pleasant—there being no policeman present, we let him go, and followed him till was we went a policeman in Laystall-street, and then gave him into custody—the prisoner Snell was ten yards off at the time Parr knocked the prosecutor down—Snell was staggering about at the time—he went to the workhouse, and we took him into custody at the workhouse, in bed, about an hour afterwards—when Parr was waiting with the prosecutor, after he had thrown him down, Snell called to him to come on.

Cross-examined. Q. Is Baynes's-row, the address you gave at the station-house? A. It is the same address—it was not Red Lion-street—is did not take a minute for Parr to throw the prosecutor down and draw his watch—it might be two minutes after that I took Parr—I followed him round directly and took him—I should think in two minutes the outside of the time—it might be three or four minutes—when I came back I found the prosecutor standing up in Mount Pleasant—I consider Parr war sober—he had been drinking—Mount Pleasant is a good thoroughfare—there were they very few people going by at the time—I saw nobody but our two selves at the time it happened—there was no other person passing except the prosecutor, and he was knocked down—I was close to the prosecutor when Parr threw him down—I heard his head fall against my foot—I should think Parr might have seen me—we did not lose sight of him when we let him gohe walked up Laystall-street, round the corner—I ascertained that both the prisoners belonged to the work-house—Pool did not run away—the watch was not broken—the prosecutor took his watch up to

look if it was broken—Parr did not make off with the watch at all—he dropped it by the side of him.

Q. Do not you think it very difficult to distinguish whether this was a drunken attempt to molest the prosecutor or to rob him? A. I had seen them insult several people before—I said to Parr, "You call yourself drunk?"—he said, "No, I am sober"—I said, "You have been drinking."

FREDERICK NOYES . I live in Clerk's-place, Bagnigge-wells-road. I was with Matthews, and saw the prisoners insulting every person they met—I saw Parr throw the prosecutor down and draw his watch from his pocket—I and Matthews stepped up at the time, and he let go of the watch—I saw him drop it—we went up to the prosecutor, and saw him pick the watch up from the pavement—we followed Parr, and gave him in charge of a policeman—Snell was about ten yards distant at the time, staggering about.

Cross-examined. Q. This taking hold of the prosecutor, taking his watch, and throwing him down, must have taken a great while, I suppose? A. Not a great while—I suppose it took half an hour.

HENRY JOHNSON . I am a policeman. I was going home from this Court on the 4th of March—I saw Parr pass me, and the prosecutor, and two witnesses—about a minute afterwards they gave him in my charge—I took Snell at the work-house about an hour afterwards—the prisoners were in liquor, but not so drunk as not to know what they were doing.

Cross-examined. Q. When you found the prisoner had got nothing, but that the prosecutor had got the watch, you might have taken the man before a Magistrate, and had them committed as rogues and vagrants, might you not? A. Certainly—there was no bruise on the watch—Parr told me he belonged to the workhouse, and said where we could find Snell.


Before Mr. Justice Patteson.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-970
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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970. GEORGE WOOD was indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of David Wheway, about the hour of nine o'clock in the night of the 18th of February, at St. Matthew, Bethmal-green, with intent to steal, and stealing there in 1 watch, value 2l. 10s.; 1 watch-key, value 6d.; 1 watch ribbon, value 2d.; 1 purse, value 2d.; and 20 shillings, his goods and monies.

DAVID WHEWAY . I am a silk-weaver, and live at No. 28, New Nicholl-street, St. Matthew, Bethnal-green. The prisoner was my apprentice—his time was up about twelve moths ago—he remained with me after that, till within the last month—about the 4th of February—he came back on the 18th of February, I believe—that is the day I missed my watch and silver—he was not in my employ at that time—he had got a fresh place a week previous to that—he remained at my house about half an hour in the kitchen—I have a workshop on the third floor—it is under the same roof as the rest of the house—he went away about eleven o'clock in the morning—I occupy the whole house—I work in the workshop myself—I came down between nine or ten o'clock at night, from the workshop—I left my purse, with about 20s. in silver, in one of the drawers of a chest in the workshop, and my watch in one of the drawers—I am quite sure the workshop door was latched—I was the last person in it—I did not go out of

the house at all after that—I cannot tell whether the outer door was on the latch or not; but when I came down stairs, about half-past nine o'clock, it was on the latch, but very likely my wife or the boys may have gone out afterwards—I went to bed about ten o'clock—I and my wife sleep in the kitchen, and my two apprentices sleep in the workshop to protect it—they went to bed before me, and my wife also—I am certain the street door was shut when I went to bed—is was on the latch, and bolted inside, and the windows were fast—about half-past nine o'clock in the evening we were sitting by the fire—I had scarcely sat down before I heard the street door go-that was the moment I came down in the evening—and, it appears to me, that at that time the robbery was done—the boys and come down to have their supper—we were all down in the kitchen, and I heard the street-door alarm too—said, "The street-door is gone too, and I have heard nobody go up or down"—the boy opened the door, with a candle, and said, "Master, here is nobody"—I said, "Very well, shut the door"—the street-door was latched at the time I came down form the workshop, but not bolted, and very probably my wife might have gone out on an errand, or the boys had gone out for beer, and left it unbolted—I cannot tell whether it was on the latch or not just before I heard it alarm too—the workshop-door was latched when I left it—I was the last person who came out of it—I did not go up to it again that night—I went up next morning, and perceived my silver was gone—I opened the drawer, and the watch was gone—I came down, and told my wife—I then went to the prisoner's lodging, and said to him, "George, I was robbed last night of about 1l. worth of silver and my watch, do you know any thing of it?"—he said, No, master, I do not"—he said, "It is very strange; you must know something about it, for no other person could have access to my shop, only you that were used to it"—he said, "I was going to come to your house this morning, about some work"—and he came in about an hour to my house—I said again, "You must know something of it, for nobody but you knew how to come to my house"—he then left—this was on Friday—on the Saturday it got reported in the neighbourhood, and a neighbour gave me information—I went to him again on the Monday morning, and charged him with it again—he denied it, and I took him to the station-house—when I got against the station-house, I said, "Don't left me go in here; it will be the worst day's work you ever had; give me the watch, and you may keep the silver, if you like"—he said he knew nothing about it—I said, "Well, if you have not got it in your possession, send it by dinner-time"—I did not like to take him inside the house—on the 10th, one of my workmen brought me a duplicate—he is not here—the watch was worth 50s.—I lost about 20s., in money.

THOMAS LORD BEESTON . I am foreman to Mr. Whiskard, a pawnbroker. I produce a watch which I took in pawn from the prisoner on the 22nd of February—I am certain of him—he gave his name "James Wood."

HENRY BARKER . I am a policeman. I apprehended the prisoner—I have a duplicate, which the prosecutor gave me—I told the prisoner what I took him for—he said he was very sorry for it—I cautioned him not to say any more.

NATHANIEL BENFIELD . I am an apprentice to the prosecutor. I only know that the prisoner was at the house on the day of the robbery.

DAVID WHEWAY re-examined. This is the duplicate I received from my workman, and this is my watch.

THOMAS LORD BEESTON re-examined. This is the duplicate I gave for

the watch—I have the fellow one—I gave it to the person who pawned it—I am certain that was prisoner.

Prisoner's Defence. I was in great distress—he promised me work, and did not perform his word, and I was out of work—I had nothing to apply to—I went two or three days to ask him to give me work, and he said "No."

DAVID WHEWAY re-examined. I did not promise him work—he did not leave me for any misconduct—I recommended him to another place—his character was very good with me—I believe he was in distress—I would take him into my employ again.

GUILTY. of stealing only.—Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor and Jury.— Confined Six Months.

Before Mr. Justice Gaselee.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-971
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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971. WILLIAM PRESCOTT was indicted , for that he, on the 31st day of March, in and upon Henry Ellerby Turner, unlawfully, maliciously, and feloniously, did make an assault, and then and there unlawfully, maliciously, and feloniously did wound him in and upon the forehead, with intent feloniously, wilfully, and of his malice aforethought, to kill and murder him.—2nd COUNT; stating it to be to disfigure and disable him.—3rd COUNT. stating it to be to do him some grievous bodily harm.

HENRY ELLERBY TURNER . I am a paper-bag maker, and live in Sherwood-place, Bethnal-green. I have known the prisoner eighteen months—we have been very good friends—we have not fallen out till within the last four of five weeks, but for four or five months we have been at variance in his sort of way—I don't know why. On the 31st of March of came home from Clapton, between twelve and one o'clock at night—I was knocking at my door—the prisoner came out—he lives right opposite me, and he called me a hopping b—several times—I asked him why he did so—he struck me with some weapon—I thought it was a hammer, but I don't know—it took my senses away completely—he struck me in the forehead, over the left eye—I only just recollect those words as I fell—it took my senses away for a minute or two, I suppose—I lost them altogether—my forehead bled violently—I was covered with blood—my wife helped to dress my wound, as I have heard since—I went to the hospital, but I would not stop, as I wanted to get home to my wife and family—I went to bed directly after it was done—I found my self in bed—I don't recollect going to bed at all—I was called up by the police, when they took the prisoner which was almost directly, I believe, but I can't say—and I went to the station-house, and from thence to the hospital—they locked the prisoner up at the station-house—I was about half an hour in the hospital—they would not dress the wound, because it had swollen so—I went to the hospital next morning—they never saw the place at all, for the surgeon was not come when I went there, and I would not stop—I have been confined at home with it, until last Monday—from Thursday to Monday—I just took a walk out, but no distance—I don't know how the prisoner came to do this, but he has been at variance about six weeks—I cannot say what about, but I have asked him for a soldering-iron, or copper bit, which he has got of mine.

EDMUND M'CARTHY . I am a policeman. On the day in question I heard a scream and call for the police—I went towards Sherwood-place, where the prosecutor lives—I saw the prosecutor opposite his own door—he was all over blood—I knocked at the prisoner's door, but they would not open it—he lives opposite to the prosecutor—I do not know whether he was there when I knocked, for a few minutes after we went

into the house, and he was not in the house—I saw him about half an hour after—the sergeant and I (came round again and heard) the prisoner rushing out of the back door of his own house—he rushed into the door of the next house, and we took him up-stairs in the bed-room—we took him to the station-house—I told him he had nearly killed the man—he made me no answer—George Teakle was with me—I did not find any instrument with which the prosecutor had been struck.

GEORGE TEAKLE . I was with M'Carthy when I took the prisoner—he told him what he took him for—he made no answer—on the way to the station-house, the prosecutor said he had struck him with a hammer—the prisoner heard it—he made no answer—I returned back to the prisoner's house, and found this hammer in the cupboard by the side of the fire—the prisoner did not see it—he said nothing till he was before the magistrate.

Prisoner's Defence. This prosecutor came home about twelve o'clock—he came to my door, and knocked as if he was going to burst the door in, and kicked it, calling me and my wife all the gravy-eyed b—he could think of—for nearly half an hour that lasted; and at last I opened the door, and asked him what he meant by calling me and my wife such names—he came into my house when I opened the door, and attempted to strike me two or three times, but I escaped from him; and in the house he laid hold of me by the collar, and attempted to strike me on the back, just as I was by the fire-place—I stooped down by the fire-place, and got a little bit of a poker—I told him, if he did not let go of me, and get out of my house, that I should strike him—he would not leave go of me, but dragged me nearly to the door, and told me to come out—I said I would not and if he did not leave go of me I would hit him with the bit of poker I had in my hand—that is all.

SARAH RUTTER . I am a neighbour of the prisoner's, and live nearly opposite him. I heard the prosecutor come home, about twenty minutes before one o'clock in the morning—apparently by his voice he was tipsy—his next door neighbour was with him—he made a noise and awoke us—the next door neighbour's stairs join mine and I heard him go up-stairs—it was not a minute after that I heard the prosecutor cross the road to the prisoner's door—he commended knocking violently—he said, "Come out, you b—I have just come home in good trim for you"—I heard the prisoner's door open and shut quickly again—I heard the prosecutor say, "You cowardly b—, you have cut my head with a hammer"—the prosecutor's wife by that time came down, and said to the prisoner, "Come out, you coward, and stand before me"—she said she would have his life—the prosecutor and his wife then cried "Police," and an Irish policeman, (I know by his tongue,) came up—he asked the policeman to take charge of the prisoner, and he said he could not, as he did not see the blow—the prosecutor said, "What! can't you take charge of him? "then I am to be murdered because you did not see it done?"—he said, "Then I'm b—if you do your duty"—by that time the policeman and the prosecutor went away—the wife desired him to go to a doctor and get the wound dressed—I think it was about twenty minutes or a quarter to two o'clock when I heard them come back again—I heard nothing then till I saw the prisoner brought thought his next door neighbour's house—that is all know—I believe the prisoner struck the prosecutor, but in his own defence—he never went out of his own door by what I saw—I saw the light shine through my binds, and the door shut again directly.

JURY. Q. Could you see this clearly? A. I did not see—I only

heard—my husband would not allow me to get out of bed—he said we were so annoyed by the prosecutor—I knew the prosecutor's voice very well—we are very much annoyed by his coming home at night late.

EDWARD M'CARTHY re-examined. When I took the prisoner, he was up-stairs in a bed-room, along with a lot of children, in the adjoining house—I did not notice that he had received any blows at all.

GEORGE TEAKLE re-examined. The prisoner had no apprearance of any blows at all—there was never a word said about this before.

SARAH RUTTER re-examined. I do not think the prisoner got away blows; for, from what I could hear, he opened the door, gave the prosecutor a knock, and shut the door again immediately.

SAMUEL RUTTER . I am the last witness's husband, and am a painter and glazier. I was at home in bed and asleep, and heard my next door neighbour's wife, Mrs. Emmet, I believe—she awoke me—I then heard the prosecutor say, "I am come home in right trim; come out, you b—and I am ready for you"—then I heard a violent knocking at the door—then the door was shut and opened again—I think then the prosecutor said the prisoner had struck him with a hammer—he repeated that over and over twenty times at least—soon after I heard his wife come out—there was a violent knocking at the door, and then the police was called—the prosecutor's wife went and knocked at the prisoner's door, and told him to come out, that she would have his life, and a great deal of that—she was ready for him—they then broke the shutters open at the next door neighbour's, and took the prisoner out of their house—when he came out he had no shoes on, and he asked the policeman to let him go in and put his shoes on, but they would not let him—then the policeman took him away—he said his shoes were under the children's bed—I believe this is one of the policemen—I was in bed all the time—I did not see any thing—I did not get out of bed, for there had been disturbance before—I said it was a shame we should be disturbed by these people—I think the prosecutor did very wrong—he had no business at the prisoner's door.

JURY. Q. Being in bed, could you tell whether it was the prisoner at the prosecutor's door, or the prosecutor at the prisoner's door? A. I could swear to that man's voice from a thousand—the prisoner lives nearly opposite, and the prosecutor lives next door to me—the street in seven or eight yards wide—I thought the prosecutor was in liquor by his tongue that night—the prisoner is not a quarrelsome character. I think, when sober.


Second Jury, before Mr. Recorder.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-972
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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972. MARY DAVIES was indicted for feloniously braking and entering the dwelling-house of James Sweet, on the 28th of March, at St. Luke, Middlesex, and stealing there in 2 shawls, value 9s.; 1 frock, value 2s.; 2 aprons, value 1s.; 4 petticoats, value 3s.; 2 pinafores, value 6d.; 12 caps, value 2s.; and 2 shirts, value 2.; his property.—2nd COUNT. stating it to be the dwelling-house of Charlotte Sweet.

CHARLOTTE SWEET . I am the wife of James Sweet, a private in the 89th Regiment of Foot Guards, I live in Playhouse-yard, Whitecross-street, in the parish of St. Luke-the prisoner came there, about the 25th of March, and took a furnished room—it was on a Friday—she was to pay 3s. 6d. a week—I required a reference—She told me where I could get one, but I was confined at the time, and did not inquire after it—I saw her on the Tuesday in the house—she and Sarah

Smith came out at the street door, about the middle of the day—they had both something in their aprons—I went up to my bed-room, and found it in confusion—I missed from my drawers two shawls, two aprons, one frock, two pinafores, a bundle of caps two shirts, and four petticoat—I went to the station-house, got an officer, and gave the prisoner in charge—she had very little to say—she pretended to know nothing at all shout it—she was taken to the office, and there I found on her a flannel petticoat, which was taken from my room—I had locked the bed-room door in the morning, and had not opened it afterwards—it must have been opened by a key for I found it still locked, and I am confident the things were there in the morning—I told the prisoner the petticoat was mine, and insisted on her taking it off—she said Smith had given her the petticoat—Smith had no business in my house at all—the prisoner paid me 1s. 6d. when she came into the house—she was to pay 3s. 6d. a week.

JESSE TUSTIN (police-constable G 41.) On Tuesday afternoon, the 29th of March, Mrs. Sweet came to the station-house—I accompanied her house, and after I was there some time the prisoner came in—I took her to the station-house—I tried the key of the prisoner's room door, and found it would open the door of Mrs. Sweet's room—at the office Mrs. Sweet claimed a petticoat which the prisoner had on-nothing else has been found.

CHARLOTTE SWEET re-examined. This is my petticoat—it is made of two different sorts of flannel—the salvages are at the bottom instead of being made up at the sleeves—it was in the box under my bedstead—I have found nothing else.

Q. How came you, seeing two persons coming down with an apron full of things, not to stop them?—A. I stood at my counter in the shop—I went up-stairs, unlocked my door, and found the things about—I had not been in my room since eight o'clock in the morning—they came down between one and two o'clock in the day—I did not know they had got my things then—I am confident nobody went up-stairs, or I must have seen them—I have two more lodgers—I missed nothing from the prisoner's room—she said her husband was a carman, but I find he is a cabman—my husband does not live in the house with me—I pay the rent, and I have occupied it six years.

Prisoner's Defence. I don't know any thing about it—Smith gave me the petticoat—I did not know but it was her own—she gave it to me, and told me to put it on, as it was cleaner than my own was, and I did so—we both went out to get some things for tea—I left her talking to some persons in Whitecross-street—I came back after going for the things for tea, and I could not find Smith again—I went home and went up stairs, and asked if she had been—they said nobody had been at all—I sat down to my tea, and two policemen came in and said I had robbed Mrs. Sweet—Mrs. Sweet found the key of my door would open her's—she said she knew it would open her door, bur she had not time to get another—she keeps a house for girls like myself, and takes in things of all descriptions, and pledges—she has taken things from me—she charges 3d., for 1s.—if I go the same day to get things she charges 15d.—girls have pawned pattens and different things of hers—if you pawn any thing at her place for 1d., she charges you for it—if the house was searched, there are tickets and parcels folded up, and how much people have written on them—and when they fetch them away they have to pay so much interest.

CHARLOTTE SWEET re-examined. I did not know the key would fit my

door, or I should not have let her have it—I never took any thing from the prisoner—I never knew her before—I keep a broker's shop, and sell pails and things—I never advance money one things—my stock consists of tins, pails, brooms, clothes, beds, and wearing apparel—I write on things what I give for them, and put them at the door for sale—I don't keep any thing in my house that may be sold to the same people again—I do not let people have things back again.

JESSE TUSTIN re-examined. The prosecutor keeps a shop in the general line—she sells all kinds of apparel, shoes, clothes, tubs, and pails—things are not pawned there, to my knowledge—there was no duplicate found on the prisoner—inquiry has been made after Smith, but we cannot find her—Smith's mother said if her daughter was taken she would be sure to be transported this time—Smith is well known to us as a person of bad character.

GUILTY .* Aged 15.— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-973
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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973. THOMAS GRANTHAM was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the warehouse of Kaufman Meyers, on the 26th of February, and stealing therein 6 life protectors, value 12s.; 15 winches, value 1l.; 12s.; and 1 quire of paper, value 5s.; his goods.

The same evidence was given in this case as on the prisoner's trial on the 7th day, when he was convicted of feloniously receiving the above articles.


4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-974
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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974. GEORGE NOWLAN was indicted for stealing, on the 24th of March, 1 jacket value 2s., the goods of John Savage and that he had been before convicted of felony.

WILLIAM SAVAGE . I am nephew and assistant to John Savage, a pawnbroker, in Whitechapel-road. On the night of the 24th of March I saw the prisoner near the door of the shop, pulling at some jackets which hung at the door-post—I called my uncle out—I had seen him before that, kick some boots which were placed at the door—I have since seen a jacket which hung at the door in the prisoner's possession.

JOHN SAVAGE . I am the last witness's uncle. About seven o'clock at night he called my attention to the jackets—I missed one—a policeman came, and I told him what I had lost—I afterwards went to Aaron's a pawnbroker, in Whitechapel-road, and saw the prisoner there—a jacket was produce to me, which was the one I had lost—that was near eight o'clock—I gave the prisoner in charge, and the policeman kept the jacket.

JOHN AARON . I am a pawnbroker, and live in Whitechapel-road. On the 24th of March, about eight o'clock, the prisoner came to my shop and offered the jacket to pawn, which Mr. Savage afterwards claimed—I asked him where he got it—he sad a person outside had given it him to pledge—I asked him if he knew anything about the person—he said, "No."

Prisoner. He did not ask me where I got it—I put it on the counter, and asked 3s. on it from the shopman—it was taken away from me, and I saw no more of it till it was brought to the station-house, and there he said I was in the shop—the inspector asked how I came by it, and I said a man outside asked me to pawn it, but he never asked me about it in the shop. Witness. I did ask him about it in Mr. Savage's presence, I believe—I am positive I put the question to him when he produced the jacket—I

was not at the station-house at all—I had been told something was wrong, and was on the look-out in case it should be offered to pawn.

Prisoner. I said nothing in the shop about a man sending me to pawn it. Witness. I am positive he did.

EDWIN HELL . I am a policeman. I received the prisoner in charge, and took him to the station-house—the prisoner said in the shop, "I know nothing about the jacket, only a man outside sent me to pawn it"—I know nothing of him, he is a stranger to me.

Prisoner. Nothing was said to me about it till I got to Lambeth-street. Witness. It passed in the shop.

JOHN SAVAGE re-examined. This is the jacket I lost that evening—it has a private mark on the sleeve, part of which is torn out—Aaron told me, in the prisoner's presence, that he had asked the prisoner where he got it, and he said of a man outside.

WILLIAM LOWE (police-constable H 73.) I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction, which I got from Mr. Clark's office—I was present at the prisoner's trial—he is the man mentioned in the certificate—(read.)

Prisoner's Defence. I was that evening passing by a public-house, the sign of the two Bells, by the church—a man came from towards Brick-lane, and said, "Young man, are you willing to take a jacket in to pawn, and I will give you the price of a pot of beer?"—he seemed in liquor—I said, "Can't you take it yourself?"—he said, "I have a person I do not wish to leave; will you take it to pawn, and ask 3s. on it?"—the shopman took it to the gas-light, and I never saw it afterwards—is it likely, if I stole it, I should take it only forty doors off to pawn it?

GUILTY .* Aged 26.— Transported Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-975
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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975. ELIZABETH KITE was indicted for feloniously receiving, on the 15th of March, of a certain evil-disposed person, 1 shirt, value 2s., the goods of George Randall, well knowing it to have been stolen.

HARRIET RANDALL . I am the wife of George Randall, and live at Twickenham. On the 15th of March, a shirt and several articles were taken out of my garden in a wet state—the shirt was wet, just as I had wrong it out of the water—I went to a pawnbroker's at Isleworth, and found it there with the mark taken out, but I was satisfied it was the same, as I had made it myself—I received the dupliceates from Ann Taylor, to go to Isleworth to take it out—I met a man named William Ballard, when I went out on missing my property, and he asked me if I had lost any thing—he was about a quarter of a mile from my premises.

ANN TAYLOR . I keep a shop in Twickenham-common. The prisoner came to me on Thursday, the 17th of March, and said she had been dealing with another person, and they would not let her have any more things on account of her not having quite enough money to pay the last week's bill, and she was so distressed that she was obliged to pawn her husband's shirt—if I would let her have some money on the duplicate, she would leave it till Saturday night, and then would come and pay me, as her husband had no other shirt to were on the Sunday—she left me the duplicate of the shirt, and I let her have some bread out butter on it—she called the man she lives with her husband—his name is Messenger—next day the called with another woman, and said, "Don't let any body see that duplicate; if you do, my husband will make a great piece of work about my pawning his shirt"—I said, "No, I will not"—next morning the woman

came for more things—I refused to let her have them, and I saw no more of the prisoner—Mrs. Randall came to me to demand some linen of me, as she had heard I had some, but I had more—I said I bad the duplicate of a shirt—she said she would take it, and if she shirt was not hers she would return it—(looking at the duplicate) I cannot say whether that is it—I did not open it—I gave Mrs. Randall the some duplicate I received from the prisoner.

PHILIP HUMPHREYS . I am a pawnbroker, and live at Isleworth. I produce a shirt, pawned at my shop, on the 15th of March, by the prisoner, I am certain, in the name of Elizabeth Messenger, for 1s. 6d.—it was washed and ironed when I received it, about six o'clock in the evening—she said it was her husband's shirt—I live about a mile and a half from Mrs. Randall.

Prisoner. I never pawned any thing but my husband's clothes—I pawned every thing in my husband's name. Witness. She always pawned in Messenger's name—she did not pawn with me very often—not for a long time before.

JAMES BROMAGE . I am a policeman. I apprehended the prisoner, and Ballard, whom I found at the prisoner's house, in her company—she door not go by the name of Messenger—I have known the prisoner some time—I told her I took her on a charge of felony; and when I was taking her into custody, Ballard came up, and stated that she should not go to the station-house, for he would take the charge on himself, for it was his property—that she had had the ticket from him—she did not say it was his property—he is no relation of her's—he is a bad character—the prisoner afterwards said, a young man, named Stuckey, offered it her for sale—she said she had no money, and he asked her to pawn it, which she did, for 1s. 6d., at Isleworth—I know Messenger—he lived with the prisoner.

Prisoner. I borrowed the money of my brother for the duplicate of the shirt—I pawned it myself, but I bought the duplicate afterwards of him—I did it out of a friendly act—Ballard and Stuckey told me it was their own—they stopped at my house ten minutes—as I could not buy it, they asked me to pawn it for them, which I did, and gave the money to him, and the ticket; and two or three days afterwards, Ballard came and asked me to buy the ticket—he said, "Your husband wanted a shirt"—I went to my brother, and borrowed the money, and gave him 1s. 6d. for it.

JAMES BROMAGE re-examined. The boys she names are bad characters—they are about eighteen or twenty years old—the Magistrate discharged Ballard—he said he found it in a ditch—I never knew the prisoner in custody.


NEW COURT,—Friday, April 8th, 1836.

Fifth Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-976
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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976. JOHN TEMPLE was indicted for stealing, on the 5th of April, 1 handkerchief, value 2s., the goods of Frederick Bowman, from his person.

FREDERICK BOWMAN . I live in Great Alie-street, Goodman's-fields. I was in Leadenhall-street, on the 5th of April—I felt a had behind me—some one tapped me on the shoulder—my handkerchief was handed to me almost immediately, and Mr. Herbert had hold of the prisoner's collar—it was the handkerchief I had in my pocket just before—this is it.

THOMAS HERBERT . I was in Leadenhall-street, and saw the prisoner

put his hand to the prosecutor's pocket, take the handkerchief out, and put it into his coat—I seized him when he prosecutor seized him—he threw the handkerchief behind me.

Prisoner. It is false—my hand was down by my side. witness. I was in my employer's shop at the time they passed, and I saw him take it out of the gentleman's pocket—I seized him before he threw it from him—he then threw it down—my shopmate took it up, and gave it to the gentlemen.

GUILTY . Aged 20.— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-977
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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977. MARGARET HUMPHREYS was indicted for stealing, on the 12th of February, 1 locket, value 20s.; 1 printed book, value 5s.; 4 knives, value 5s.; 4 forks, value 5s.; 1 shift, value 5s.; and 1 petticoat, value 5s.; the goods of George Frederick Allcock, her master.

GEORGE FREDERICK ALLCOCK . I live in Park-terrace, Brixton. The prisoner lived with me, as cook, for eight days previous to the 12th of February—we missed a shift the day after she came into the house—when she left, on the 12th, in the morning, we missed the other things stated in the indictment—it was last in a drawer, that was kept locked, in the bed-room—she had access to the bed-room, but the key of the drawer was in my wife's possession—the prisoner had keys in her possession which opened my drawers—these are all articles.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS Q. Do you know a woman of the name of Price? A. Yes, and another of the name of Shaw—they are not acquaintances of mine—they live in the neighbourhood—I never spoke to them before the transaction—the prisoner came from Wales I believe—she sent a letter by me to town—I do not remember my having a dispute with my wife about it—I never told her that my wife was amazed at her sending a letter by me, and making me a postman—I never heard my wife say so—she was not jealous about it—she was angry—I had never given a present to this girl—I swear that—not of any kind—I did not speak to her about my wife's anger till she left the house—I saw her at Mr. Shaw's house—I went to his after she had left my service.

Q. Did you tell her about your wife's anger? A. She did not tell me—she made a declaration in the presence of me and Mr. Shaw, but not to me.

Q. What brought you there at all? A. Within an hour after she left the house, she came to my counting-house, to stated that the party whom she had introduced into the house the day before, (who turned out to he Mr. Shaw,) that Mrs. Allcock, when Mr. Shaw went down there, had stated, that she was such an infamous bad character she could not keep her in the house, and she would give him anything to take her away—she came to say she should apply to the police-office for a warrant against my wife—I went round to Shaw immediately, to know what had been stated, and then this declaration was made—I afterwards went to Mr. Shaw, and saw him—he had not been in our service—he was sent for to our house by the prisoner, to see her—I heard that from Shaw, and the prisoner was present at the time—I stayed there about a quarter of an hour—I never saw the prisoner afterwards till she was in custody—I did not give her in charge—she was in charge on another felony—I swear that I missed the things three or four days after she left, and I found her in charge, between a fortnight and three weeks afterward—I did not give her in charge, because she was not to be found—I went to Mr. Shaw's for her—I did not got to her aunt's—I went to a Mr. Williams, in Hatton-garden—no flirtation

has taken place between us—I was married at St. Giles's, Camberwell, about fifteen years ago—I never taken any liberties with her—I have never sworn that my wife ever spoke to me about carrying that letter—it was given in the presence of my wife—she spoke to me about it—but did not remonstrate with me—she wanted to know who the letter was for, and in her presence, I said it was for her aunt—she begged the favour of me to give it to her aunt if she called at the counting-house—that was the whole of the conversation about the letter—she wanted to know who the letter was for—I said it was for this Mrs. Shaw, whom she represented to be her aunt—that was on the evening of the 17th, and she gave me the letter in the morning—I did not promise I would take this girl as cook in my town house, at sixteen guineas a-year—it is necessary for me to keep up an establishment in town—I had no communication with her—nobody was present when she was at my counting-house.

COURT. Q. Upon your solemn oath, did you ever, directly or indirectly, allow her to take any of this property? A. Upon my solemn oath I never did.

CATHERINE PRICE . I live at Cross Keys-square, Little Britain, and am the wife of Thomas Price. On the 9th of January, the prisoner came to lodge with me—she had this box with her at that time.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you know Mr. Allcock before? A. Never, Sir, no more than his being overseer of the parish—I had seen him once, and spoken to him—the prisoner came from Wales—she stated so—she appeared a stranger.

THOMAS ELLIS (police-sergeant C 7.) I took these things from that box, which I found at No. 5, Harbour-street, Red Lion-square, on the 1st of March.

Cross-examined. Q. So that if this girl had any consciousness that these things were stolen, she had from the 12th of February to the 1st of March to dispose of them? A. Certainly she had.

MARY SHAW . I am the wife of William Shaw, of No, 3, Cross Keys-square. The prisoner lodged with me on the 9th of January—she was with me in the day time.

THOMAS ELLIS re-examined. Q. What house did you find the box at? A. At Mrs. Smith's—we could not get her to come forward, but the prisoner said it was her box.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Was the box there the prisoner at the time? A. No; but she asked what I found in the box.

COURT. Q. Tell us that passed.? A. She said, "Are you the officer that searched my box?"—I said, "Yes asked me how much silver I found there—I told her 3s.—she asked me to let her have 1s. of it—I told her I could not do so at present—the parish constable was with me at the time—he said, "I will rend her a shilling—when you return that money stop that, and give it to me before the Magistrate"—I told that, and returned the 2s., and gave him one.

JURY. Q. Where did you take her? A. In Leather-lane—on this charge—I believe this charge is in our police-sheet—Mrs. Price gave her in charge, on this charge; but she made another charge against her.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Was it not on the charge of stealing from Mr. Allcock that she was given into your custody? A. Yes it was.


4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-978
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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978. GEORGE BAKER was indicted for stealing, on the 13th of March, 1 iron gate, value 20s., the goods of Joseph Henry Roberts, and fixed to a building, &c., against the Statute.—2nd COUNT, stating it to be the property of Mary Ann Pierce Hamilton.

JOSEPH HENRY ROBERTS . I live up a passage, between Nos. 407 and 408, Oxford-street. This gate was at the entrance of that passage—I had seen if safe at twelve o'clock on Saturday night, the 12th of March—it was brought back to me on Wednesday, between eight and nine o'clock, within three quarters of an hour after the prisoner was taken in charge.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Who was it brought back by? A. We cannot tell—it was brought after the prisoner was in custody, and put in the passage.

RICHARD MARKRAM (police-constable C129.) I was on duty on the Sunday night—I met the prisoner at twenty minutes before one o'clock", with this gate—I am sure he is the man I stopped—I can swear that is the gate that he had—I took him back to a light, and examined the gate—it has been mended at the bottom—I took notice of that at the time—the prisoner said he had bought it at a marine-store shop.

Cross-examined. Q. This occurred about one o'clock? A. Yes, before one o'clock—I did not take him into custody—he gave me the gate, and, through his appearance, I gave it him back again—I looked at it, and had it in my possession, perhaps a couple or three minutes—I could not recollect any thing about it, or he should not gave gone further with it—he was taken on Tuesday night—I took particular notice of him, in order that if he was taken I should know him again—I took him to a light at a tobacconist's—he went into the tobacconist's and bought a cigar, while I looked at the gate—that is about 150 yards from, where the gate was missed—I took him into custody in Regent-street, with a girl—about half a mile from where the gate was missed—I could swear to the prisoner among ten thousand—he has a very particular look in his eye and his features, that I know him again.

COURT. Q. It was on Sunday night you let him go? A. Yes; I saw him to Tuesday night, as I was going on duty, at twenty minutes before eight o'clock.

Q. Had he an opportunity of communicating with any body after you took him, till the gate came back? A. No; there was a girl with him—she went to the watch-house, and then I sent her away, after she had been there two or three minutes—he said, when she was going out, "Go and tell father and brother, you know."

Prisoner. I have got a witness to prove I was at home and in bed at the time they accuse me of the robbery.

EDWARD HUGHES . I keep a tobacconist's shop. I recollect the policeman coming in with the gate, and a person who resembles the prisoner, but I cannot swear to him—I noticed the gate, and can swear to it.

CATHERINE BROWN . I have lodged with the prisoner's mother upwards of two years—he lodges there like wise—that is at No. 21, Vine-street, Inquorpond-street, but they do not go by that name—on Sunday, the 13th of March, I was at home, getting my supper, at half-past ten o'clock, and saw George and Henry Baker go past my room—I was at home at eight o'clock—I saw the prisoner, and his father and mother, sitting down to supper, about a quarter before ten o'clock—I saw the prisoner go past my room at half-past ten o'clock—he wished me good night, and went to their room, which adjoins mine—he had no gate with him—I have known

him six years—his father is a very severe kind of man, and never suffers his children out of his place—I am positive he would not have allowed him to go out after that.

COURT. Q. You saw him pass your door at half-past ten o'clock—that is all you know about it? A. Yes; I did not see him in bed.

JURY. Q. What was to prevent him going out? A. I did not say he did not go out, but his father would not allow him.

GEORGE BAKER . I am the prisoner's father. On Sunday, the 13th of March, I solemnly declare he was in bed at half-past ten o'clock—I went to bed at a quarter before eleven o'clock—I saw him in bed then.

COURT. Q. What are you? A. A linen-weaver by trade, but I do not work at it—I am a porter to an upholsterer now—I have worked for Edward Stolworthy twelve years, and I am in his employment now.

JURY. Q. Did you and your son sleep in the same bed? A. No—I was not asleep at twelve o'clock, nor half-past twelve—I must solemnly swear he did not get up, nor did any person in my house—I was awake till half-past twelve o'clock—I was not at one o'clock—my house is situated at No. 21, Lewes-buildings, Liquorpond-street—I have a clock close to my ear—I burn a rush-light, and at half-past twelve o'clock, I looked at clock.

COURT. Q. How do you happen to remember all this so particularly? A. In consequence of his being taken up the Tuesday night after.

JURY. Q. Are you certain you were in the room at half-past twelve o'clock? A. Yes; he could not have been out without my knowing it—I went to bed at a quarter before eleven o'clock, and about half-past twelve o'clock I dropped off to sleep—when the prisoner was brought up to Marlborough-street, the policeman brought a woman, who was in the tobacconist's shop, and she looked at him, and said that was not the man.

RICHARD MARKAM re-examined. It is false—there was a woman at the back of me when we stood in the tobacconist's, as I saw there was evidence enough—I did not wish her to speak—she said he was very much like the man, but she could not swear to him.

GEORGE BAKER . When the woman not swear according to his wishes, he would not let her in—I endeavoured to find where she lived—they could find her, but I could not, and they would not let her in.


4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-979
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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979. ANN CLARK was indicted for stealing, on the 16th of March, 1 cloak, value 5s.; 1 shawl, value 2s.; the goods of Rebecca White; 1 cloak, value 5s.; the goods of Michael Shay; 1 shawl, value 2s. 6d., the goods of Ellen Mahoney; 1 shawl, value 3s., the goods of William Brown; and one shawl, value 3s., the goods of Caroline Pinkney.

PHILIPPA GRINDELL . I live in Great Portland-street, my husband is an upholsterer. The prisoner came to me to be employed as a needle-woman, on the 18th of March, about nine o'clock in the morning—I employed her till about half-past ten o'clock, when I missed her out of the room—when the work-people were going, we found she had taken every shawl and bonnet out of the place—I never saw her again till the Monday following, when I saw her in Regent-street, looking into a window—I followed her till I sent for an officer, and had her taken.

REBECCA WHITE . This cloak belongs to me. I work at Mrs. Grindell's, and this shawl is mine—they were both gone.

ANN BROWN . This is my shawl, I lost it from there.

CAROLINE PINKEY . This shawl is mine, that was gone that day.

HENRY PINKNEY . I am a messenger at Marlborough-street-office I found the duplicates of these things on the prisoner, and I gave notice to the pawnbrokers, and the articles were all produced at the office—I bring them here—this shawl I found on the prisoner—they were pledged at diferent times and different places.

Prisoner. I was very much distressed.

GUILTY. Aged 23.—Recommended to mercy.— Confined Six moths.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-980
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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980. SAMUEL HOLDHAM was indicted for stealing, on the 16th of March, 2 pieces of board, value 1s. 8d.; and 1 piece of wood, value 4d.; the goods of Robert Webb and others, his masters.

CHARLES EWE . I am foreman to Robert Webb and others, brick-makers and builders. The prisoner was in their employ—I missed two pieces if board and one piece of wood—they are here, and are my masters'.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. How do you know them? A. By matching them—the prisoner is a carman—there are a great many pieces of wood in the yard—there is a thoroughfare through the yard, but not public, it is for persons who come to the brick-fields, by day-time—I cannot say to a day when I saw this wood last—Mr. Webb would rather not prosecure him—he wishes to have him back in his employ—he has been about two years there, but still this is Mr. Webb's property—it was more than twelve months in the yard—I cannot say how long it had been out of the yard—I cannot speak to a week or months—it was taken away from a pig-stye, because I knew it so well.

(Property produced and sworn to.)

WILLIAM SMITH (police-constable N 261.) On the night of the 16th of March I saw the prisoner in Coach and Horses-lane—he had two pieces of board—I asked how he came by them—he told me he purchased it at the stone-yard, Islington—I took him to the station-house, and then he said he had picked it up in the road—a quarter of an hour after, I went to the last witness, and told him—he came and said he was persuaded it was their property.

Cross-examined. Q. What did you find on him? A. These two pieces—this one was at the pig-stye, and I brought it away, with these other pieces—it was concealed.

GUILTY. Aged 24.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury.— Confined Five Days.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-981
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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981. JANE SIMPSON was indicted for stealing, on the 27th of March, 1 cloak, value 2l., the goods of James Priddle.

JAMES PRIDDLE . I live in Wilson-street, Gray's-inn-lane. I am a tailor. A little before day-before day-break, on Sunday morning, the 27th of March, (I had been out all night to party of friends,) I met the prisoner in Gray's-inn-lane—she prevailed on me to go home with her to her lodging, in some court in Liquorpond-street—this was about a quarter past four o'clock—I went to a room in which Ellen Cavill was in bed—I took off my cloak, and sat upon the only seat what was in the room, and she directed my attention to Ellen Cavill—I rose from my seat, and the prisoner made

off with my cloak, while I was talking to Ellen Cavill—this is my cloak.

Prisoner. They gave me the cloak—he had been in another room with me for twenty minutes, and followed me into the room where the girl was in bed—he was intoxicated. Witness. I was perfectly sober—I never gave it to her—I was not in the room ten minutes.

MARY DAVIS . I lodge at the Half-moon public-house. About seven o'clock in the morning of Sunday, the 27th of March, I saw the prisoner with this cloak in her arms—she gave it me, and asked me if I would carry it up stairs for her, while she staid at the door, but I did not—I was walking with her with the cloak, and was stopped by the two policemen.

Prisoner. I asked her to take the cloak up stairs—he had no money about him—he made me a present of the cloak till he should call for it in morning, and said he would give me 10s.

DANIEL HUMPHREYS (police-constable G 74.) I look Davis with the cloak—I stopped the prisoner, and asked her where the gentleman's cloak was—she said, "What do you mean?"—I said, "No nonsense, where is the cloak?"—she said, "There is it—I was going to take it to the gentleman's lodgings."

Prisoner. He told me he lodged down Eyre-street-hill.

JAMES PRIDDLE . I never told her any thing of the kind.

JURY. Q. Did you give her any money? A. No—I only entered into one room, and five minutes did not elapse before I gave the two females in charge, because this woman lodged in the same room with them—I stopped till the cloak was found, and left the party at four o'clock in the morning, and left the place I was at with the prisoner, about half past four o'clock—the cloak was found, I believe, between six and seven o'clock—this policeman is not the one I had into the room—he found it on the prisoner going Eyre-street-hill.

GUILTY . Aged 30.— Confined Six Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-982
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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982. RICHARD FORRESTER was indicted for stealing, on the 31st of March, 1 copper, value 16s., the goods of George Thomas Robert Reynal, and there fixed to a building, against the Statute, & c.

GEORGE THOMAS ROBERT REYNAL . I have a house at Hackney, in which was a copper—I cannot identify this copper, nor do I know the prisoner.

SAMUEL CROUCH . I keep the house for Mr. Reynal, at No. 10, Denmark-place, Hackney. In that was a copper—on the morning of the 31st of March, I saw the prisoner come out of the yard of that house, with the copper on his head—I seized him with it—the other ran away—I said to the prisoner, "Where are you going with that copper?" and gave him into custody.

Prisoner. A. young man asked me to carry it—I did not know him before.

GUILTY . Aged 16.— Confined Six Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-983
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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983. THOMAS ELDRIDGE was indicted for stealing, on the 3rd of March, 47lbs. weight of lead, value 7s., the goods of William Brass, and fixed to a building, against the Statute, & c.

HENRY BRASS . I am the son of William Brass, who lives in Wood-street, Cheapside, and is proprietor of a building in Essex-street, Hoxton.

There was some lead on that building—I have compared the lead found by the officer, with the lead remaining on that building—it exactly corresponds—I have no doubt it came from there.

WILLIAM HOLLAND (police-constable N 146.) On Thursday morning, the 3rd of March, from information, I went at a quarter before six o'clock in the morning, to an unoccupied house in Essex-street—I went on the first floor, there was no one there—I went on the second floor, and found a piece of lead, and found the tiles were removed—had not been there more than a minute, when I heard some person coming up stairs—the prisoner came up first, and another was behind him—the prisoner advanced towards the lead, and said to the other one, "Come along, here it is"—he turned, and saw me and the other policeman—I caught the prisoner—the other got away—the officer pursued him, but did not take him—I took the prisoner and the lead to the station.

RICHARD HAWKES . I went on the roof of the house the lead was taken from, and saw some foot-marks—I went to the station, and took the prisoner's shoe—it fitted the marks exactly—I pursued the man who ran away—he ran through the prisoner's mother's house, which joins the premises.

GEORGE KEMP (police-constable N 82.) I got this certificate of the prisoner's former conviction from the office of the Clerk of the Peace, at Clerkenwell (read)—the prisoner is the person who was tried.

Prisoner's Defence. I went there to sleep, because I could not get into my mother's house.

GUILTY . Aged 16.— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-984
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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984. SARAH FIELD was indicted for stealing, on the 19th of March, 1 spoon, value 1s., the goods of Edward Aviolet.

EDWARD AVIOLET . I am a cork-cutter, and live at Edmonton—the prisoner was in my employ occasionally as a char-woman—she was employed on the 19th of March, and on the 20th we missed a silver spoon—I sent for her and questioned her about it—she said she did not know where it was, unless she had thrown it with the dish-wates, down the drain—I said the thing was impossible and I should send for a constable unless she acknowledge where it was—I found it at Mr. Hart's from what she told me.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS Q. You told her she might as well tell you where it was? A. I said if she told me where it was, I would not deal so harshly with her.

AARON HART . I live at Tottenham. The prisoner brought this spoon to me to know if I would buy it, on Saturday, the 19th of March—I detained it and gave it to the officer.

JOHN WALL GRIMLEY . I am an officer. I took the prisoner.

(Property produced and sworn to.)

GUILTY. Aged 17.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury and the Prosecutor, who promised to employ her again.— Confined Five Days.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-985
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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985. SAMUEL WOOLAWAY was indicted for stealing, on the 26th of September, 1 blanket, value 5s., the goods of Benjamin Vialle, his master. BENJAMIN VIALLS . I live in Oxford-street. The prisoner had been employed by me, but he had left me before September—on the 21st of March, I went to his lodging, and found this blanket, which is mine.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS Q. Are you in the habit of scouring blankets for St. George's Hospital? A. Yes, this is one of their blankets—I was deficient of one blanket about September, but I cannot say that this might not have been stolen from the hospital.


4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-986
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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986. SAMUEL WOOLAWAY was again indicted for stealing, on the 18th of March, 16 gallons of dye, value 20s.; 18lbs. of logwood, value 2s.; 16lbs. of fustic, value 2s.; 12lbs. of peach wood, value 2s.; 4lbs. of bark, value 4d.; 2 stone bottles, value 1s.; 3 iron doors and frames, value 6s.; 1 gas pillar and burner, value 6s.; 1 glass tumbler, value 4d.; 2 yards of printed cotton, value 1s.; and 10lbs. of iron, value 6d.; the goods of John Jones, his master.

JOHN JONES . I live in Hanway-street, and am a dyer. The prisoner was in my service up to the 18th of March—having missed several articles, I went to his lodgings in Steven-streethe told me that was where he resided—I found there this gas pillar, a quantity of dye stuff, and the other articles stated—I have every reason to believe they are mine—I can swear to the gas pillar and this copper door, by this mark—it was too tight, and hod to be altered—this piece of furniture is a paticular pattern—I can swear it is mine, and these stone bottles also.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS Q. Has he ever done work for you at home? A. No—I did not particularly advise that he should plead guilty, or that he should employ nobody to defend him—his sister asked me to be lenient with him, and I said, "Perhaps it would be better for him to plead GUILTY."

EDMUND DAVIS (police-constable E 74.) I went to Steven-street, with Mr. Jones, and found this property.

Prisoner's Defence. The articles they found were my own—I have had that door in my possession for the last two years—there are many dresses of that pattern—I should him that glass tumbler on the floor—he then swore to it, and he swore to a picture that was found there on the first examination, and then denied it.

(Richard Ward, a gardener, of Stoke Newington; Reuben Herbert, a servant; and Elizabeth Ward, gave the prisoner a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 24.— Confined Six Months.

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Reference Numbert18360404-987
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987. SAMUEL TITE and GEORGE FROST, alias Webber , were indicted for stealing, on the 6th of March, 96lbs. weight of lead, value 10s., the goods of Abraham Gole, fixed to a certain building of his, against the Statute, &c.; and SIM JEWELL for feloniously receiving the same, well knowing the same to have been stolen; against the Statute, &c.

THOMAS MATHER . I live in Shadwell High-street, and am agent to Mr. Abraham Gole, who is a leaseholder of the shed in question. It is only one room—I do not know where the lead was taken from.

CHARLES GROVE TAYLOR . I am servant to Mr. Thomas Grout, who keeps a lodging-house, at No. 5, Gower's Mill-yard. The prisoners Tite and Frost work there—they slept there on a Saturday night, about the 5th or 6th of March—I got up two o'clock in the morning, as I generally do—I found Frost asleep in a bed, and Tite, who was dressed, by the kitchen fire—I asked Tite if he was not going to bed—he said he did not know, as

they had to be out so early—I went by direction of the superintendent of the house to call Frost at five o'clock in the morning—he did not come down—I was sent again, but he did not come—I was told to go a third time—I said I had been often enough—Tithe then said, "If he does not come down before six o'clock, it will be 15s. or 16s. out of his pocket"—I then took Tite up with me to where Frost was asleep—I just touched Frost, and he said, "I will be down directly"—it was then between five and six o'clock—they came down, and as they were going out, Frost wanted to borrow 1 1/2d. on a knife, to get some gin—he did say any thing about having no money.

Q. Recollect whether you did not tell the Magistrate that he said he had no money? A. I cannot say particular whether he did or not—I gave him one halfpenny, and a person in the room gave him a penny.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS Q. Who is the superintendent? A. Mr. Baylis—I go to bed at seven o'clock, and get up at two o'clock in the morning—when I came down, I found Tithe by the fire-side fast asleep—that is not an unusual thing in out house—I have known Frost by him coming backwards and forwards for two or three months.

HENRY THOMAS MALLEY (police-sergeant K 23.) I was at the station-house on Sunday morning, the 6th of March, and about eleven o'clock, the prisoner Frost, who gave his name "Webber," came there in a state of intoxication—he said he had met with a man the day before who had robbed him of 2l. 5s—I asked him if he knew the man—he said, no he had never seen him till the day before—that he had promised to get him work, and he had employed him to carry some lead for him, and he was to give him 5s. for carrying it—I asked him if he knew where-the lend came from—he said he could point out the place—I went with him to the place, in Shadwell-market—it is a sort of sentit is an unoccupied place—the door was standing open, and, on looking up to the ceiling, I saw some lead had been taken off.

THOMAS MATHER . That place is the property of Abraham Gole, Esq.—I have known it for twenty years.

Cross-examined. Q. Is Mr. Gole alive? A. Yes—it is in consequence of having seen some leases, and having the rent to receive, and the taxes and repairs to pay that—I know the premises well—they are in my possession at this time.

Q. Was there any lead whatever, to your knowledge, on that building? A. Not to my knowledge—and in the course of twenty years it must want repairing—I never had to repair any lead—I never say any lead on that building in my life—I never knew what it was covered with—it is only one room—the roof may be ten or twelve feet high—it was hardly ever used—I could not let it at all—I have never had to repair it—I saw it covered—I saw the tiles put on—these was a gutter, but I do not know what it was made of—I never saw the gutter.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. You know this is place was covered with tiles? A. Yes, that is true.

HENRY THOMAS MALLEY re-examined. Q. Have you been to a house of shed in Shadwell-market? A. Yes, it was formerly a market-house—it is a place without any first-floor, and there is a back-door blocked up—the house next to it is a corner house, and occupied by Irish people—I believe it is Cross-street, but is very little knownon the other side are two or three small houses, leading to Riley's beer-shop—there is only one room to this, and all the others in the street have two or three rooms—I

went with Frost inside the place, and saw the door standing open—I saw a hole in the roof through the ceiling—It seemed to have been recently made—I then went outside—I looked on the parapet, and saw the states, which were moved from the top, laid on the coping—there was a gutter there, and I subsequently found the remains of lead in that gutter which leads to the next house—I afterwards found some other lead, which I fitted to the lead in the gutter—It fitted exactly—I have not the slightest doubt that one was taken from the other.

THOMAS MATHER re-examined. to the best of my belief the building he describes is the house I have been receiving rent for, for the last twenty years, but there are a great many houses in the same square with only one room—whether the lead came from there I cannot say.

Cross-examined. Q. Are there in that street other places with only one room? A. Certainly—there is no back-door to this place, either blocked up or open—there never was a back-door to that house—never at all—I have known it ever since it was built, and saw it building—I swear it never had a back-door, or I must have seen it—this place is covered with tiles—there were no slates on it to my knowledge—if the policeman says that the house from which the lead was taken had a back-door blocked up, it certainly cannot be Mr. Goles's house.

COURT. Q. Have you been to this house since the charge has been made against the prisoner? A. Certainly—I went by myself—I found a hole in the roof.

HENRY THOMAS MALLEY re-examined. Q. Had the house the appearance of having a door out behind? A. Yes the appearance of a way out, blocked up with boards—there are boards at the back more than twice my height, and all the way up is boards—I thought there was a door-way, and laid hold of a place—I could not get to the back, it was so blocked up—it is only one room—there are no windows in it, but I think four shutten at the front part—there is one door on the right-hand side as you go out of the alley—you go past the first shop at the corner—it is the second door from the alley, on the right hand.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Did you not say corner there was a back-door blocked up? A. Yes.

THOMAS MATHER . That is the house I receive the rent of; but there never was a back-door—the house is built with those boards at the back.

HENRY THOMAS MALLEY . There is a sort of post up, which made me take it for a door—I went there on Sunday morning, the 6th of March, at a quarter-past eleven o'clock, with the prisoner Frost—I asked if he wood point out where the lead was taken from—he pointed up to the hole in the roof, and said, "There is where it came from"—I did not go on the roof then; but there was an appearance of lead having been removed, from the slates being moved—I then went with Frost to a marine-store shop in Shadwell, kept by a brother of the prisoner Jewell—the name of Joel Jewell is over the door—I there saw the prisoner Sim Jewell, and his brother Sam Jewell—I asked them where the lead was that they had bought of the man Webber (Frost) and another man that morning—they both said they had bought no lead—I said I was quite certain that lead had been brought there, and I would not go away till I was satisfied—Webber said, "That won's do; this is the place where it was brought to"—Sim Jewell then took me up two pair of stairs to a back room, and there shewed me some lead which came from tea-chests—he said, "That is all the lead we have got"—Webber said, "That won't do; this is the place

we brought it to: I know the lead is about the place"—we then went down into the shop—Sam and Sim Jewell were both there, and I said, "If you have bought this lead, and deny it in this manner, it will go very much against you afterwards"—I found some lead in the back warehouse, between some bags of rags—I had it conveyed to the station-house, and then took Sim Jewell into custody—I went, in consequence of something which Samuel Jewell said, to a street in the New-road, where I found the prisoner Tite—I told him he was charged with stealing some lead the night before, and he must come with me to the station-house—he said he knew nothing about any lead—Webber was with me in Tite's room—there came a knock at the door, and I went down, leaving my brother constable in the room with them—when they were in the cells, I said to Tite, "You are charged with stealing some lead from the roof of a house"—he turned round, and, pointing to Webber, he said to Sim Jewell, "It was him that carried the land and sold it to your brother Sam, was not it?"—Jewell said, "Yes"—Jewell was then sent down to the other station-house, and the other two prisoner were locked in different cells; and in a short time I heard some talking between them—I went to the cell where Webber was, and said, "What are you talking about here?"—Webber said that Tithe had told him, if he would not swear to him, he would give him back the 2l. 5s. which his wife had got—Tite could hear any question, and could hear the answer—I shut the small door, and went in again—I then went to Jewell's house, and fetched some lead or pewter, I do not know which, which appeared recently melted down—one of the pieces was quite hot.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. You any Webber was intoxicated? A. He was at eleven o'clock in the morning—Tite said he knew nothing about it in the first instance, and afterwards he acknowledged to being along with Webber when he carried it.

Q. Did you ever say here to-day that he was along with Webber when he carried it? A. I said that he said to Jewell. "It was him that carried the lead, and sold it to your brother Sam, was not it?"—I have told you his exact words—he did not say at that time that he was along with him.

JURY. Q. Was it from his words you drew the inference? A. Yes.

Frost. Q. When did you see me first? Witness A. About eleven o'clock that morning, at Shadwell—you were drunk—I did not drink with you to make you drunker, to my knowledge—I did not go into a public-house, and call for a not of beer—I did not know Tite till after I had been to Jewell's I took Webber with me—he had then got sober—he was with me from eleven o'clock in the morning till three in the afternoon—he had 9 1/2d., and I allowed him to have some beer—he begged very hard.

COURT. Q. When was the public-house he had it at? A. I rather think it was at the corner of Grove-street—upon my oath I did not drink with either of the prisoners after taking them into custody—they offered me the pot, but I did not drink.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. What time did you go to the public-house? A. It was about three o'clock, after I had taken Tite—Webber was sober then; as far as a man could be that had been tipsy—I suppose 4d. was paid for the liquor—I did not see it paid—9 1/2d. was taken from him at the King David-land station—I cannot tell the sign of the public-house—it was the first time I ever was in it—I was not on duty at the time—the man begged hard to have a drop of beer, and I allowed him to have it—there were three of them—there was a friend of Tite's.

Frost. You paid for a pot of beer, and drank with me before you had Tite—you drank, and offered me the pot, and said, "Drink"—I said, "You have been a rascal, you have made me drunker"—I would not drink with you. Witness. I never saw you till you was drunk—I did not make him more drunk than he was—I did not allow him to drink till three o'clock in the afternoon.

HENRY PARKER (police-constable K 156.) I went with Malley to apprehend Tite—he said, "I should like to know what I am charged with before I go"—he had been previously charged with lead, but this was while Malley was down stairs—Tite was sitting on the side of the bed, dressing himself—I said it was for some lead taken from shadwell-market—he said, "As far as regards the robbery, I know nothing at all about it; but I met Frost in Ratcliff-highway."

JAMES FOGG . I am a Thames-police surveyor. I was passing Jewell's shop on Sunday morning, the 6th of March, at about eight o'clock—I saw Tite come from Jewell's, and go into a public-house, a few doors further down—there was another man with him, but not Webber.

Frost's Defence. I was employed as a porter, to carry it to Jewell's—I did not know what it was—I thought I was taken for being drunk.

TITE— GUILTY [Recommended to mercy. See original trial image.] . Aged 30.

FROST— GUILTY. Aged 21.Recommended to mercy .— Confined One Year.


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Reference Numbert18360404-988
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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988. WILLIAM FRANKLIN was indicted for stealing. on the 1st of March, 1 wooden post, value 1s. 6d., the goods of the Company of Proprietors of the Grand Junction Canal.

THOMAS HARDING . I live at Appleton, in Middlesex, and am overseer of the Grand Junction Canal. I went to examine the bridges over the cannal, near the Wagon and Horses, and missed forty feet six inches, in one length of post—this is some of the property—we found fifteen feet six inches—it is the property of the Grand Junction Canal Company—it was fixed—I got our carpenter, and had every thing fitted, and this is part of it—it was fitted in before the prisoner—I have the Act of Parliament incorporating the Company.

WILLIAM FAIR . I am a horse-patrol of Bow-street. I was at Hayes on the 1st of March, at eight o'clock, and met the prisoner with a large rail on his shoulders, I asked where he brought it from—he said from a house close by—I asked him to point out the house, he then said, he found it in the road—I matched it the next morning with that on the canal, and found it tallied exactly—I then found another piece in a farm-yard.

ROBERT ROWLAND . I am a carpenter. I have fitted this rail to that by the side of the canal, I know it is the property of the Canal Company.

Prisoner. I am not guilty of stealing, if I am guilty of picking it up.

JURY to THOMAS HARDING. Q. When did you see the railling last? A. On the Saturday, and it was stolen on the Monday—it was all sound then—it had not been up above a year and a half—and it was sawed off in two places.

GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Two Months.

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Reference Numbert18360404-989
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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989. THOMAS LOVE and ELIZA HAVILL were indicted for feloniously receiving, on the 15th of March, 6 yards of woollen cloth, value 3l., the goods of Robert Morrison, well knowing them to have been stolen, against the Statute, &c.

ROBERT MORRISON . I keep a shop in High-street, Borough, and another in St. Paul's Church-yard. I had nine yards of green cloth in my shop, in the Borough—I did not send it there—it was it in the Borough after it had been sent—we have it entered in the book there—this is part of the cloth—we took stock there in February, which was sinece the robsince—I am able to swear it was stolen from there—I have some portions of it still remaining at St. Paul's.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. How long before had you seen the entire piece of cloth safe? A. In the month of December, in St. Paul's Church-yard—I have seen that portion of it which was sent to the ware-house, in the Borough—it was there in December—I have here to-day all the persons in the warehouse, in the Borough, except Love, who has been accused, and has escaped—he had an opportunity of stealing it—was suspect he stole it, but we cannot prove it—he had been in the habit of working for me, and coming on the premises to fetch work—I don't know that he had not the opportunity of stealing it—he worked for me for about a month.

JOHN DENYER . I work for Mr. Morrison. The prisoner Love was employed by him—he left about five months back—I cannot swear when this cloth was last seen, but I saw it in December last, while Love was working there, but not where the cloth was—he took his work out—Bells was a shopman, and there are two lads—I have seen this bag in our shop—it is the property of Mr. Morrison.

Cross-examined. Q. The person who had the opportunity of stealing the cloth could also have stolen the bag? A. He might have done so.

GEORGE HODGES . I am shopman to James Henry Ashton, of Long-acre, a pawnbroker. I have a coat pledged by the female prisoner.


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Reference Numbert18360404-990
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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990. ELIZA HAVILL was again indicted for feloniously receiving, on the 12th of March, of an evil-disposed person, 1 pair of trowsers, value 1l.; and 2 coats, value 4l.; the goods of Robert Morrison, well knowing them to have been stolen against the Statute, &c.; upon which no evidence was offered.


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Reference Numbert18360404-991
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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991. MARGARET RYAN was indicted for stealing, on the 31st of March, 2 purses, value 16d.; 4 sovereigns, 2 half-crowns, and 7 shillings.; the goods and monies of Charles Shepherd, from his person.

CHARLES SHEPHEARD . I live in Barbican. On Thursday last, the 31st of March, I had been dining with a few friends, and had taken a glass of wine too much—I met the prisoner close by my own door, and was allured away to a house of ill-fame—I forget the name of the court I went to, but the officer knows—she robbed me of this money, and two purses—four sovereigns, seven shillings, and two half-crowns, that was in a red and brown purse, and there was another purse in my other pocket, empty—she had an opportunity of taking it, for the officer found a portion of the money on her the following morning—I was not with her more than three minutes—I did not pay her—I was to have done so, but I

could not after she robbed me—there was not the least dispute about it—I am sure she is the person—I was not always so certain—I should be very sorry to be too positive against the prisoner; only from the officer finding on her a part of my property, but I am sure I should have recollected her from her dialect alone—she is Irish.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Had you occasion to use your purse before you left your friends? A. Yes—before I left the College of physicians—I left there about eleven o'clock—I think I can be certain I spoke to no one before I spoke to her—I had spoken to some girls before I met her—I was to have given her 5s.—I am certain I did not give her all I had in my pocket—she shut the door, and locked me in—I felt her take it—I felt her hand at my pocket, and she made an immediate rush at the door.

COURT. Q. Did you say this before the Magistrate? A. I answered the questions that were put to me.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Then to the Magistrate you never gave an account of this? A. No—it was at the time I was toying with her that I felt her take the money—I could not detain her—she shut the door very suddenly—I certainly took the purse to the house with me, and took it out, and paid 1s. for the room.

Prisoner. He met me in Barbican, and forced me into a room, and then the landlady asked him to pay her, he said he would when he came down stairs, and she said he should find some other lodging—he paid her 1s., and the he was an hour and a half in the room with me.

EDWARD M'DONALD (City police-constable No. 78.) I received information, went to the prisoner's house, and found seven duplicates and a purse, which belongs to the prosecutor, I believe, and half-a-crown, and 1 1/2d.

CHARLES SHEPHERD . This is my purse—these duplicates are mine, which I am in the habit of purchasing—I do not always get my livelihood so—I only buy them of persons I know.

Cross-examined. Q. How far is this house of ill-fame from your own house? A. Only a dew yards—I am certain I was not talking to a man at the time I saw this girl—I had been to the College of Physicians's Arms—I had not been drinking all day—I was quite capable to taking care of myself.


Sixth Jury, Mr. Sergeant Arabin.

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Reference Numbert18360404-992
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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992. ELIZABETH BROADHEAD was indicted for stealing, on the 7th of March, 2 blankets, value 7s.; and 10lbs. of feathers, value 1l.; the goods of Thomas Sharman.

MARY SHARMAN . I am the wife of Thomas Sharman, of Wood-street, Cromer-street. I let a ready-furnished lodging to the prisoner on the 26th of February, at 2s. 6d. a week—she was with me five weeks, and only paid me two weeks—I had a suspicion of her proceedings, and on the 28th of March. when she came home between ten and eleven at night, my husband followed her into the room, and asked if she had any money—she said, "No"—he then demanded to see the bed, and we found the blankets were gone, and a great portion of the feathers.

Prisoner. You came into my place when I was not present—a person in the next room has a key that fifty my door. Witness. There is a person in the room on the same floor, but no one entered her room.

ARTHUR JOHN NORTH . I am in the service of Mr. Blackburn, a pawnbroker, in Somers-town. These blankets were pawned at separate times.

in the name of Ann Broadhead, by the prisoner—I am sure is the person.

JANE PAHUD . I live in the same house, and know the room the prisoner occupied—I had lived there before her—I know the bed was well feathered—I left it so when I went away—I went and saw the same bed, and consider that half the feathers were gone from it—she gave up the two duplicates when she was taken.

(The prisoner put in a written defence, stating that she had pledged the property to raise the money for her rent, intending to redeem it.)

GUILTY . Aged 45.— Confined Three Months.

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Reference Numbert18360404-993
VerdictsGuilty > unknown; Not Guilty > unknown
SentencesNo Punishment > sentence respited

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993. ELLEN FORD was indicted for stealing, on the 21st of March, 7 stockings, value 3s. 6d., the goods of James Child; and Sarah Miller, for feloniously receiving 5 of the said stockings, well knowing them to have been stolen; against the Statute, &c.

ELIZABETH CHILD . I am the wife of James Child, of King's-place, Commercial-road. I know Miller by coming backwards and forwards to my husband's shop, he is a baker—on the 28th of March, I lost some stockings from the drying ground at the back of Mr. Salmon's, where we had apartments till we collide get a house—I saw the stocking I lost, at the Thames Police-office—both get a prisoners were then in custody.

MARY SALMON . These stockings were hanging at the back of my premises at twelve o'clock, and were missed between twelve and two o'clock—I knew Miller a long time.

JOHN MURRAY (police-constable K 173.) On Tuesday, the 22nd, I received information from Mrs. Salmon, that some stockings had been stolen—I made inquiries, and found Ford—she said her name was Shannon, and her father kept a tailor's shop in Cross-street, which I knew to be false—I then said I should take her for stealing some stocking—she said they were at an old woman's at the top of Bluegate-fields, where she had sold them for 4d.—I asked if she would show me, and she said, "Yes"—I went to the house and saw Mrs. Miller—I asked her if she had bought any stockings of the girl—she said, "Yes, but I do not know where they are"—I asked the girl how many stockings there were—she said she did not know, but she had given her 4d. for them—Miller then went into a little room, and stopped seven or eight minutes, she then came out, and I said if she did not produce the stockings. I should search the house—she went into the room the third time, and when she came out, she called Wilson, who was present, to give them to me—she gave me five stockings, which I produce—I then asked Ford what she had done with the other pair—she said she had pawned them at Mr. Hawes' for 3d., and a gown for 4d.—I asked her again whether she knew any thing about Mrs. Dudley's table-cloth—she said she had pawned that for 1s.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. What time of the night was it you went to Mrs. Miller? A. I think about a quarter-past ten o'clock—I do not know whether she was partially undressed—she had her upper clothes on—the stockings were behind the counter, lying on the floor, and some bagging alongside—Miller went to the station-house, and was allowed to go back to come in the morning, through my saying, "Let her go till the morning, and come down to the office"—these stockings are darned at the toes and heels—Miller's husband works at the Docks, I believe, and is a respectable man, and she is a respectable woman.

ELIZA WILSON . I am the prisoner Miller's daughter. I recollect the

officer coming and asking if there were some stockings brought in there—I picked them off the floor—the dog was lying on them—she put them on the floor because she considered them of no value—I did not hear my mother say she had bought them, and paid for them—I do not know Ford.

WILLIAM CASON . I live with Mr. Harvey, a pawnbroker, in High-street, Shadwell. I produce this pair of stocking, pawned by Ford on Monday, the 21st of March—she said her mother sent her with them.

(Property produced and sworn to.)

FORD— GUILTY. Aged 12.— Judgment Respited.


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Reference Numbert18360404-994
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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994. WILLIAM MEADOWS was indicted for stealing, on the 27th of February, 1 box of water-colours, value 35s.; and 2 drawings and frames, value 5l.; the goods of Rudolph Ackermann, his master.

RICHARD WOODROUFFE . I am foreman to Mr. Rudolph Ackermans, of Regent-street, a print-seller and water-colour-manufacturer. The prisoner has been two years or more a colour-grinder in his employ—he was an upholsterer before we took him—property has been missed at different times—this is Mr. Ackermann's box of colours—there is a label inside the box by which I know it—I suspected the prisoner, in consequence of which I got an officer—we went to the prisoner's lodgings on the 16th of March—I found him there in bed—I found some things there, but did not give him in charge, as they were too trifling—I immediately went to different pawnbrokers, and found several boxes of water-colours, pawned by a person answering the description of the prisoner—in tracing them, I also found boxes belonging to Ackermann and Co., in the Strand—I told the prisoner I had found some boxes of water-colours at different pawnbroker's, but this box was found afterwards, at Mr. Richard's a pawnbroker, and these water-colour drawings and frames were pledged at the same pawnbroker's on the same date, and in the same name—it is my employer's.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. When can you say you had seen these safe? A. I cannot say when I had seen the box—I had seen the pictures about six weeks before I went to the pawnbroker, in the window—my master employs fifteen men, three of them serve in the shop—I will swear these have not been sold—if they had, I should have noticed it at night, when I arranged the till book—I never gave the prisoner any prints.

COURT. Q. I believe, as foreman, it is your duty to be particular attentive to the stock in the shop? A. Yes; and to keep an account of the sales.

GEORGE STONE (police-sergeant C 2.) I went with the witness to the prisoner's lodging—he told him there had been some property missed at his master's, and asked if he had any objection to his looking round the room—he said, "Not in the least"—we looked, and found seven small prints, but they are not in this indictment.

WILLIAM BAYMER PYATT . I am a pawnbroker, in the employ of Mr. Richards. I took in these two prints and this box of colours of the prisoner, in the name of John Morison.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you remember when? A. It was on Saturday night.

(Edward Haycock, a glover, in Cockspur-street, gave the prisoner a good character.)

GUILTY. Aged 28.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury.

Transported for Seven Years.

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Reference Numbert18360404-995
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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995. JOSEPH MURRAY was indicted for stealing, on the 3rd of April, 60lbs. weight of bones, value 2s. 6d., the goods of William Harley.

WILLIAM HARLEY . I contract to take away the dirt from the London Dock Company. I draw it to a yard in Pearl-street, St. George's—when there, the bones are picked out by woman and put into tubs to be sold—on the 3rd of April I found the prisoner concealed in a tub—he was taking bones out of another tub and putting them into two bags, one of which he had got full—I said, "You rascal, I have got you at last; I have been a long time looking for you"—he said, "Pray, Mr. Harley, forgive me, I will never do so again"—I have lost a great many bones and rage—I am sure the bones which the prisoner had were mine—they are worth half-a-crown.

Prisoner. I had been without victuals two days, and was in distress.

GUILTY . Aged 14.— Confined Three Months.

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Reference Numbert18360404-996
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996. JOSEPH COLEMAN was indicted for stealing, on the 9th of March, 34lbs. of pork, value 1l. 1s.; and 3 yards of linen cloth, value 2s.; the goods of William Worters.

GEORGE SEAMAN (police-constable H 150.) On the 9th of March I was in Wentworth-street, about ten minutes after eleven o'clock, and saw the prisoner carrying a side of pork, in two cloths, on his shoulder—I crossed, and asked him what he had got—he paused some time, and I asked him again—he said he did not know—I took him to the station, and he told the inspector he picket it up in Whitechapel—the pork was quite clean, and it was a very wet night.

WILLIAM WORTHERS . I deal in pork and poultry. I saw the side of pork which the officer took—it was my property—I had lost it from my cart at the door of the White Swan, in Whitechapel—I was going to take it to Mr. Taylor, in Jewin-street—I had business in the White Swan, and left my cart there for an hour, in the care of my boy—I went out several times to see that he was giving a sharp look-out, and I thought he was doing so—I did not see the prisoner there—I knew the side of pork by comparing it with the other, which I had in the cart—it was my own killing, and I know my own cut—these cloths are mine.

Prisoner. He said the cloths were marked, and they are not. Witness. I have several other cloths exactly of the same kind—I have not the smallest doubt of these.

GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Six Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-997
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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997. JOHN JOHNSON was indicted for stealing, on the 5th of April, 1 handkerchief, value 1s. 6d.; the goods of Anthony Barber, from his person.

ANTHONY BARBER . I was near the Mansion-house about two o'clock on the 5th of April—I felt a tug at my pocket, and missed my handkerchief—I turned and called the police—the prisoner, who was near me, stood till the officer came—this is my handkerchief.

STEPHEN POWELL (police-constable C 69.) I was on duty between two and three o'clock last Tuesday—I heard the call"Police—I went up

and took the prisoner, who was about a yard from the prosecutor—I saw this handkerchief fall from the prisoner.

GUILTY . Aged 27.— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-998
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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998. JAMES HARRINGTON and THOMAS EDWARDS were indicted for stealing, on the 5th of April, 1 handkerchief, value 3s., the goods of Edward Berry, from his person.

EDWARD BERRY . I have been a footman. On the 5th of April, I was in St. Giles's about a quarter before eight o'clock—William Holland came and asked if I had not lost a handkerchief—upon my feeling my pocket, I found it was gone—I walked back and found the policeman leading Harrington, and upon examining his pocket, he took out my handkerchief—I know it to be mine—this is it—Edwards was brought up with him.

WILLIAM HOLLAND . I am a painter, I was walking down High-street by myself, on this occasion, going towards Drury-lane—I saw the two prisoners following the prosecutor—I saw Edwards go to his pocket and take the handkerchief out, and give it to the other one, who put it in his pocket—he ran off—I told the officer, who took them.

JOHN GIBLING (police-constable C 125.) I was going down High-street—I saw the two prisoners following a gentleman and lady—Holland came to me and said that they had robbed the gentleman—I ran and took them both, and found the handkerchief in Harrington's pocket.



Confined Three Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-999
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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999. JOHN LUTMAN was indicted for stealing, on the 8th of March, 1 umbrella, value 2s. 6d., the goods of Kenneth Edward M'Kenzie.

THOMAS BAKER . I am servant at the British Museum Tavern, Great Russell-street. On the 8th of March, in the evening, between nine and ten o'clock, Mr. Kenzie had just left the tap-room, where he had been sitting—the prisoner was there also—the prosecutor had been there about two hours—they were strangers to each other, but were sitting alongside of each other—I did not know the prisoner before—I had known Mr. M'Kenzie—Mr. M'Kenzie had retired for a minute or two, and when he was away, I saw the prisoner take up the umbrella and walk away—he had paid of what he had—I went to ask Mr. M'Kenzie if he had brought an umbrella—he said, "Yes"—I then went and overtook him—I told him he had taken a gentleman's umbrella—he turned round, mumbled something, and was going on—I said, "Stop, give me this umbrella"—Mr. M'Kenzie then came up and gave him in charge—I am quite sure the prisoner did not bring an umbrella with him—I saw him come in.

Prisoner. Are you sure I did not bring an umbrella in? Witness.

Yes your friend came in first—neither of you brought an umbrella.

Prisoner. When you came to me, you said, "You have taken a gentleman's umbrella"—I said, "My God! have I? I beg your pardon."

Witness. I did not rightly understand it—it might have been that.

KENNETH EDWARD M'KEZNIE . I hold a situation under Government. I went to the tavern, and sat near the prisoner—I took an umbrella—I retired, and was told my umbrella was gone—I had entered into conversation with the prisoner—I saw my umbrella was gone—I went out in pursuit of the prisoner, and overtook him—the lad had stopped him—I asked him what business he had with my umbrella; what right he had to take it away—he said he did not take it with any felonious intent—he used those words—we

drank in the same room—I cannot say that we toasted reach other—we conversed together perhaps an hour and a half—I should say he was not at all intoxicated—I was perfectly sober—I was drinking beer, I had had perhaps two pints, but no more.

Prisoner. We drank together, and you solicited me to sing a song—you were drunk, decidedly drunk, and I accommodated you to the best of my power with two songs. Witness. He did sing—he said, "This is my umbrella."

Prisoner. I met a friend in the Haymarket—we walked together under an umbrella very much like this—I was going to Conduit-street—stopped at several places, and had a pint of ale probably in each place—I was not intoxicated, but might be perhaps a little elevated—wear called at this house, and I think we had only one pint of half-and-half—we stopped there perhaps an hour, certainly not an hour and a half—I stopped outside perhaps a minute after my friend left—as to whether I took my umbrella into the house, I cannot say—as to stealing a thing from any person, I never had such a thought in my head.


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Reference Numbert18360404-1000
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1000. JOHN KEEPER was indicted for stealing, on the 19th of February, 1 shilling, 1 sixpence, and 6 halfpence, the monies of Ann Edwards, his mistress; and that he had been before convicted of felony.

ANN EDWARDS . I am a widow. I keep a brick-cart, and am in the building line—the prisoner worked for the builders. On the 19th of February I gave him the money to pay for three loads of chalk rubbish—he was to get it at the lime-kilns—he went with my horse and cart to get it—I told him where to get it—I gave him 5s. 3d. to pay for it—it is 1s. 9d. a load—he brought back no load—he drew two loads to Mr. Rhodes's brick-field, which was all he drew there, instead of the three which he ought to have drawn; so that I lost 1s. 9d. beside the cartage—he gave me the account that he had drawn the three loads to Rhoders's.

JOHN TAYLOR HENDERSON . I am clerk to Messrs. Thomas and William Rhodes. On the 19th of February there were two loads of chalk rubbish delivered by the prisoner—that was all he delivered on that day.

THOMAS BONFIELD . I am manager of the coal and coke wharf, Hackney. The prisoner drew only two loads of chalk rubbish from that wharf on the 19th of February.

Prisoner. I had some chalk rubbish from the next wharf to his. Witness I know nothing about that.

JOHN JOHNSON . I am a police-constable. I took the prisoners—he said he was going to pay Mrs. Edwards on Saturday night for the money he had kept back.

CHARLES COOPER . I produce a certificate, from Mr. Clark's office, of the prisoner's former conviction for felony (read)—he is the same man.

GUILTY . Aged 20.— Transported for Seven Years.

OLD COURT,—Saturday, April 9th, 1836.

Fourth Jury, before Mr. Sergeant Arabin.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-1001
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1001. MARY ANN HALFPENNY, alias Parker, alias Keefe , was indicted for unlawfully uttering a counterfeit sixpence, she having been previously convicted of uttering counterfeit coin; to which she pleaded

GUILTY .— Transported for Fourteen Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-1002
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1002. ELLEN MEARS was indicted for a like offience; to which she pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 56.— Transported for Fourteen Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-1003
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1003. WILLIAM FENNER was indicted for stealing, on the 31st of March, 3 fowls, value 10s., the goods of William Varney.

WILLIAM VARNEY . I am a baker, and live in Gloucester-street, Clerkenwell. I keep fowls in the vault adjoining my bakehouse—I was disturbed at three o'clock in the morning of the 31st of March—I was up at the time—I had lost fowls before—I went and met the prisoner in the area, with two bens and a cock in his possession—he was not in my employ, and had no business there.

Prisoner. I did not have the fowls. Witness. I saw him with them in his arms—these are them.

WILLIAM GRAY . I am a policeman. I was sent for and took the prisoner.

Prisoner's Defence. A tipsy man came along, and said, "Will you lead me home?"—I said, "Yes"—he began to may at me—I said, "I will leave you, if you are not steady"—he knocked my hat off, and my handkerchief went down the area—I went to get it, and Mr. Varney caught hold of me at the bottom of the steps, without any thing in my hand at all—the policeman asked him where the fowls were, and he said, "Down in the area, and I must go and get them"—he brought a cock to the station-house, and next morning brought two hens against me.

GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Six Months.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-1004
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1004. JOSEPH LEA was indicted for stealing, on the 1st of March, 1 watch, value 19s.; 1 knife, value 1s.; 1 sovereign, 3 shillings, and 1 sixpence; the goods and monies of William Steventon, his master; and 1 coat, value 15s., the goods of Charles Martin.

WILLIAM STEVENTON . I live in Little Warner-street. The prisoner was employed to clean my boots and clothes—he did not live in house—he occasionally came into my room in the morning to take my clothes to brush—on the 27th of March I do not know whether he came into my room, as I was asleep—I went to bed about twelve o'clock, on Saturday night, leaving my watch in my fob, some gold in my waistcoat-pocket, and some silver in the trowsers—when I got up I missed my watch and money a sovereign and three shillings—the prisoner did not come to me that morning—I suspected him, and gave information—this is my watch (produced)—he had been nearly two months in my service.

WILLIAM BARTON . I am a policeman. I took the prisoner into custody about half-past six o'clock in the morning on the 28th, and charged him with this felony—I searched him, and found he was wearing the coat, and had the watch in his pocket—he had 13s. in money.

CHARLES MARTIN . I live in the prosecutor's house—this coat is mine—it hung on a peg, in the passage.

GUILTY . Transported for Seven Years.

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Reference Numbert18360404-1005
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1005. WILLIAM JONES was indicted for stealing, on the 8th of March, 1 whip, value 4s., the goods of Edward Warner.

GEORGE SHEPHEARD . I am ostler at the Castle, at Brentford. Edward Warner is the post-boy. I saw the prisoner, on the 8th of March, come from the post-chaise, which stood at the Castle—he walked away—he was a stranger—I don't know whether there was a whip in the chaise.

EDWIN DESFORGES . I am servant at the Castle. I received information about a whip being missed, and ran after the prisoner—I caught sight of him about two hundred yards from the Castle—he was walking slowly, and then he ran up Spring Gardens, and was getting over a wall to avoid me—I told him to stop—he said he had on whip—there is a privy by the wall—I went through a house after him, and he ran into a policeman's hands—he had still run away from me—I went into the privy, and there found the whip.

SARAH HASTED . I live in Spring Gardens, at Brentford—I saw the prisoner, and saw the thing of a whip hanging down from him—he was carrying it under his arm—part of the whip was under his coat.

WILLIAM SPIERS . I am a policeman. On the 8th of March I received information of a whip having been stolen—I found it in the privy.

JAMES CUISHEA . I am a policeman. I took the prisoner into custody—I was taking him to the office next day—he said he wished the whip was at the devil—he wished he had never seen it—he had been drinking, but was sober enough to know what he was about—he was not running when I took him—after he was committed from the magistrate's office, he said in the coach that he had been asleep in the post-chaise, and saw the whip there, and took it.

EDWARD WARNER . This is my whip—I had left it in the post-chaise.

Prisoner's Defence. I was a stranger about that part—I was looking for work—I met two or three of my trade, and they made me intoxicated at the Castle—I am a native of Gloucester.

GUILTY . Aged 36.— Confined Three Months.

Before Mr. Justice Gaselee.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-1006
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1006. JAMES BARNES was indicted for embezzling and stealing the sums of 8s. 10d., 7s. 4d., and which he had received, by virtu of his employment in the General Post Office.—11 other COUNTS varying the manner of stating the charge.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL, with MESSRS. SHEPHERD, ADOLPHUS, and SCARLETT, conducted the prosecution.

WILLIAM SPROULE YOUNG . I am a clerk in the Foreign Office in the General Post Office, and have been so about fifteen months—the different receiving-houses and branch post-offices in town send bags of letters to the General Post Office once a day—they also each send a letter-bag containing foreign letters—the inland bag should go straight to the Inland Office, and the foreign bag to the Foreign Office—Colonial letters, and letters to North America, go thought the Inland Office—foreign letters come into the Foreign Office—it some times happens that letters directed to the Colonies are forwarded to the Foreign Office instead of the Inland Office—they come in the bags from the receiving-houses to the Foreign Office, by mistake, instead of the Inland Office—that is not the proper course—if a person at the receiving-house has a letter directed in North America or the Colonies, he might by mistake put it in the foreign bag—when what is discovered by the person who receives the bags at the Post-office, be gives the letter and the postage paid on it, to a messenger to send to the Inland Office—the postage

is paid on all foreign letters—I do not know Colonial letters—if a letter, by mistake, got into the foreign bag at the receiving-house, the postage would be paid—there is a tunnel which communicates from the Foreign Office to the Inland Office—if a letter which ought to be sent to the Inland Office comes to the Foreign Office, the letter and postage are conveyed through the tunnel—the prisoner was a President in the foreign office.

Q. Being President of the office, he have control of the money, so that if he directed a clerk in the office to give him money, or any thing, ought they to obey him? A. Yes, they ought to obey him. On Friday evening, the 4th of March, I was on duty at the Foreign Office—I was a window-clerk at that time—I stand at the window, and receive foreign letters and the postage which is paid for them—on that afternoon the prisoner came to me with some letters, and wanted the postage for them—he was the President on duty that evening—he said he wanted the postage to send the letters with the money to the Inland Office—he said they were letters for the Inland Office—he asked me for foreign letters to the amount of the same postage, to send with them to the Inland Office—that was to discharge myself from the money which I gave him—I am charged with all the postage of the letters I receive at the window, by some one who looks over all those letters, and they know what money to charge me—if I had given the prisoner the money he asked for without giving him foreign letters to the same amount, I should have been charged with more money than I had in my possession—I took notice of the directions of some of the letters he brought to me, and afterwards saw them in the prisoner's hat—he went to the fire-place after he asked me for the money—that was before I gave him the money—he went and sat down by the fire-place—his hat was on the bench in a little place parted off from the rest of the office, where the presidents generally sit—there were letters and newspapers in his hat—he had newspapers, as well as letters, from me when he asked me for the money—I noticed that the letters in the hat had the same directions on them as those he brought to me—I took the letters out of the hat, and copied the addresses—the prisoner at that time was sitting by the fire a short distance of—this is my cop (looking at it)—this was not the first time the prisoner had asked me for money in the same way—8s. 10d., was the amount of the postage I gave him—he mentioned the addresses of some of the letters for which he wanted the postage, and I saw them also—I gave him the money shorlty after I saw the letters in his hat—I recollect the addresses of the letters the prisoner mentioned to me—they were Halifax, Curacoa, and Madras—he did not tell me any other addresses—I saw Mauritius on one—the one for Madras was a newspaper (looking at several)—this is the one for Curacon—this is another—here is one with Mauritius on it—that is one I saw, which he did not mention—I was present when the prisoner was examined at Mr. Peacock's office on Saturday, the 5th of March—he was asked if he had any letters, and he said no—he was then asked if he had any in his drawer, and he said he had none—next day I cast up the amount of postage on the letters which I found in this hat—it was 8s. 10d.—that was the sum the prisoner had asked me for.

Cross-examined by MR. PRICE. Q. How many of these windows are there in the Foreign Office? A. Four—there is only one gentleman on duty at a time at those windows—there are not four to the four windows—four days in the week there is one there the whole day—on Tuesday and Friday the window man leaves the window at six o'clock—he is relieved—he is on duty from between sight eight nine o'clock till six o'clock—there is no exact

time for his coming on duty, it depends upon the Inland Office—there is a stated tome for leaving duty—I was there the whole day on Friday, the 4th of March, and was relieved by Mr. Arrowsmith—I came on duty between eight and nine o'clock in the morning—I was there till six o'clock alone, at the window, but not in the office alone—it is my duty to take the letters and money which are entrusted to me for the time I have stated—I believe the prisoner has formerly held my situation.

Q. Then supping he held that situation when he was on duty there, I take it for granted he had opportunities of defrauding the revenue? A. I don't know, I suppose he had—he had the care of the money in the same way—he could not have applied it to his own use long—he would have been obliged to have returned it—if he had the money as I have, I suppose he might use it—he might have destroyed a foreign letter, and pocketed the postage—there would have been an inquiry about the letter—persons inquire if a letter is missed—I do not receive letters for the colonial department—it is the gentleman who does the hags—I have the opportunity of pocketing the money and destroying a letter—this paper is a list of the letter found in Mr. Barnes's hat—I merely took the places and stamps—I know nothing of the names—there might be more letters for Madras—the paper enables me to tell the places from which they come and to which they are destined—I have not the names—the postage of other letters in London to the same places would be the same on all letters—a private soldier's would go for one penny—Mr. Barnes ought to have asked the bagman for the money on these letters, and not me—Mr. James was the bagman on duty on Friday—he is here—the letters lay exposed in the prisoner's hat—any person in the room would have seen them—he was sitting by the fire at the time I took the account of them, apparently asleep—he did not appear unwell, or fatigued—he said he was sleepy.

Q. Is it usual to give him money and letter without making inquiry when he asks for them? A. We have no right to ask him, certainly—I should not have given him money without his producing letters—he has asked me for money with letters, but not without them—I do not require to see the letters—If he held them in his hand it would he quite sufficient—I had not time to take down the full addresses of the letters, and I did not think it necessary—I did not do it for both those reasons—the Foreign Office is a large room, much about the size of this court—there are two fire-places. One for the messengers, the other where the clerk generally sit—all the clerks in the Foreign Office are entitled to come into this room, messengers and all—the windows are opposite the fire-place and the door—(looking at a plan of the office)—there is a screen between the door and fire-place, and the window at which I was on duty—it is ten feet high, I should think—it goes nearly the whole length of the room—when the door of the screen is shut the persons at the fire-place cannot see the window where I am—that door is exactly opposite the window at which I was placed—the door in the screen shuts with a spring of its own accord—it must he held or fixed to be kept open—I often leave the window to go to the fire-place in the course of the day—I leave nobody at the window then—it is closed—it has a slide, which is fastened by a catch or spring—that spring is in bad condition—I had left the window when I looked into Mr. Barnes's hat, and nobody was behind the screen—there was a messenger at the further end of the room, with whom I had no communication—I am a permanent clerk in the establishment—it is the course of the post

Office for the clerks to succeed each other according to seniority, as vacancies occur.

Q. How long was it after Mr. Barnes said he had the letters that you gave him the money? A. About half an hour, to the best of my recollection—I gave him the money about twenty minutes after five o'clock, about forty minutes before I went away—I paid him the 8s. 10d. after I looked into his hat, directly after I copied the list—about ten minuted after I looked into his hat—I was ten minutes writing the paper—I believe I did not awake him to give him the money—I do not know—he was asleep while I wrote the list, and I instantly gave him the money—he was awake then.

MR. SHEPHEAD. Take these letters in your hand—look at the stamps on them—compare the stamps on the letter with the stamps on your list, and see if they are the same? A. Yes—each receiving-office in London has a different stamp.

MR. PRICE. Q. You personally expect hereafter to become a President? A. If I remain long enough in the office—the presidents have not been called deputies since I have been in the office.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. Whether the prisoner is convicted, or removed from his office by the post-master, without conviction, will that make any difference to you? A. Not in salary it will not—if he is removed, it will benefit me afterwards.

WASTELL ARROWSMITH . I am a clerk in the Foreign Office at the Post Office. On Friday, the 4th of March, I was on duty at the window in the Foreign Office—I came on duty there about five minutes after six—the prisoner came to me at seven o'clock, and demanded 7s. 10d. for some letters which he said were to go to the Inland Office—I gave him that sum—he came about five minutes afterwards, and desired to have 4d. for two newspapers addressed to Mauritius and Madras—I paid particular attention to what he did and what he demanded that night—I was present at Mr. Peacock's office, on Saturday, the 5th of March, when the prisoner was present—Mr. Peacock asked him whether he had any letters about him—he said, no, he had none—he asked if the letters for which Mr. Young had given him 8s. 10d. the night preceding were forwarded—he said, "Yes; undoubtedly"—he was asked if he had any letters in any part of the Post Office, or in any of his drawers—he said, "No."

Q. Suppose these letters to have arrived at the office under a mistaken impression that they should come to the Foreign Office, how should they be conveyed to the Inland Office? A. They would go through the tunnel, according to the usual course of business; but if, instead of sending then through the tunnel, the President comes and asks for money, I am bound to give it to him—it is not the proper practice orfont the President to come himself for the money—he ought to send the letters by a messenger—Mr. Barnes has done it—the messenger should take the letters to the bag clerk to receive the money, and the money and letters are forwarded immediately to the Inland Office by the tunnel.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS Q. Was not that Friday night a foreign post night? A. Yes. it was not a particularly busy night—I have quite a distinct recollection of it—there were no mails made up in addition to the ordinary mails that night, as far as I can recollect—I cannot swear it, but it can be proved I do not recollect any.

Q. Did not, on that night, the Malta, Indian, Brazil, and Buenos Ayres monthly mails require to be made up? A. No; I am certain of it—I am

as far as possible convinced of it—I cannot take on myself positively to say so—if they were made up that night, it would cause a great dead of additional business in the Foreign Office, and would require considerable attention on the part of the President—but there could not have been a great influx of business that night, because the mails for Malts and India were in time on the Wednesday—a foreign mail night does not require the attention of the President more than any other night—his attention is required every night—he is longer on duty, no doubt, but he should pay the same attention on another night as on a foreign post-night—there is a greater influx of letters in the Foreign Office on a post night than on another night—that would not require greater attention at the time—the office is longer open—the fatigue would not he greater in time—a man would he more fatigued at the close of a foreign-post night than on another night.

Q. In the great multiplicity of business a gentleman has in his office, might you not expect a mistake to be made to be made at times? Yes; he might make a mistake—my occupation in the office is more busy than his I have occasionally made mistakes myself in business, and have been reproved—not over and over again—it has occurred—I have been reproved several times for mistakes I have made—I am not aware of Mr. Barnes being compelled to assist at the sorting-table—I have known him to do it once—will swear I have not known him do it oftener—he may have done so on other occasions without my knowledge—the President is obliged to perform various duties in the office, and is referred to on all occasions of difficulty—questions of difficulty frequently arise—I cannot give any ides of the number of letters that come in on a foreign post-night—they are so numerous—there is an account kept.

Q. Have the kindness to look at this newspaper, directed to Granada—if a paper came directed to that place, would it not be referred to Mr. Barnes, to know whether it was to go to the West Indies, or to Spain? A. No—I should have known where to send it by the direction of Granada—when I first went into the office, I was frequently obliged to refer to Mr. Barnes in matters of difficulty, but not latterly—I have occasionally—I should think there are thousands of letters come into the Foreign Office on the foreign post-night.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. Suppose there was a great press of business that night, and you wanted Mr. Barnes, where should you have looked for him? A. He had no particular place to be in—I should not have looked for him at the window.

Q. If you had seen an English newspaper directed to John Forrester, Esq., Bonian-estate, Granada, would it have entered into your mind to send it to Spain? A. No; certainly not—the press of business in the Foreign Office is generally about eleven o'clock at night—sometimes it may be at seven o'clock, when there are extra mails made up, and sometimes there may be no press at all during the evening—there was no press at all on this night—nothing more than the ordinary business—the first question about that money was on the following morning—I can remember what the business was that night.

RICHARD CRADDOCK . I am a messenger in the General Post Office. I was on duty at the tunnel of the Inland Office on Friday, the 4th of March. I came on duty at a quarter before five o'clock in the evening—if any letters with the postage had come from the Foreign Office through the tunnel to the Inland Office, I should have received them—I received

none that evening—I took particular notice that evening of what happened regarding the tunnel—I received no newspapers or postage—the tunnel is the channel of communication between the Foreign and Inland Office—I receive all the letters and postage that comes through the tunnel—all letters which go to the Foreign Office by mistake should come through there, with the postage—they come in a box which I work through myself by a machine.

Cross-examined by MR. BODKIN. Q. How long have you been there? A. Two years and a half on that particular duty—all letters from the Foreign Office to the Inland Officer should come through the tunnel—I have never known that rule to be departed from—if any letter from the Foreign Office go to the Inland Office, by any other means, I should have no opportunity of knowing it—my duty commences at a quarter before five o'clock in the evening—that is the time of the evening duty—the tunnel is used in day time, occasionally—when foreign mails arrive in the day time there would be letters for delivery in town—that would be a different transaction to this altogether—there is no time at which letters sent by mistake to the Foreign Office are sent along the tunnel except after a quarter to five o'clock—I deliver the letters, which come through the tunnel, to their proper station—I deliver them to the officers that are then on duty to receive them—they come on duty at the same time as I do—there are some on duty all day—the tunnel is at work at six o'clock the morning for morning duty—the time it ends depends on the mail coming in—I do not keep an account of what comes through the tunnel—I take the letters and money, and deliver them as I receive them—I do not notice the stamps on them, and do not know how long they may have been in the Foreign Office.

Q. May it not occur that letters and newspapers may be forgotten to be put in the tunnel one day and be put in another day? A. Such a thing may occur—I have no opportunity of knowing.

MR. SCARLETT. Q. Is it your duty to receive the letters and postage, and take them to their proper places, and not to keep any account of them? A. I keep no account of them—the letters could not have passed through after I came on duty on Friday evening, 4th of March, without my knowledge—there was a reason for my attention being particularly drawn to the circumstance—I had received instructions to be particular.

COURT. Q. You say a letter might be omitted to be sent by the tunnel one day and sent the next, is it the usual course to send them at once? A. At once.

GEORGE LEADBITTER . I am a police-office. I was employed at the Post-office on the 5th of March last, at the solicitor's office—I took the prisoner into custody there—I did not hear anything said to him—I searched him, and found some letters and papers, and some keys—I marked them, and gave them to the solicitor—I went with the prisoner down to the Foreign Office—before we went there he said he had got some letters and papers in his drawer, which he would give me—he went with me to his drawer—it was a single key, and two bunches that I found on him—one of those keys opened his drawer—he said he would show me which key opened his drawer, and did so—I opened the drawer, and found a quantity of papers and letters, and wearing-apparel (looking at some letters and newspapers)—I found all these in the drawer—I found four letters and two papers, I think, on his person, which I marked, and gave to the solicitor of the Post-office(the directions of those found in the drawer being read,

were are follows:) (Newspapers)—" Colonel Power, Royal Actillery, Maunitius."—"Richard Copeland, Post-office, New York, United States."—"Mr. J. Burton, Baptist Missionary, New Province."—"A. M"Lean, Esq., Civil Service, Madras."—"John Forrester, Esq., Banian Estate, Granada." (Letters)—" To the Clerk of the Foreign Post-office, London."—"William Clayton, at Capper Passes, baker, Brickfield-hill, Sidney, New South Wales.:—"Mrs. Briscoe, St. Andrew's New Brunswick, North America."—"W. L. Mellish, Esq., Rifle Brigade, Halifax, Nova Scotia."—I had some conversation with the prisoner on Monday—I do not recollect his saying anything more on Saturday to the solicitor or myself—on Monday he asked me if I had ever known the post-office to allow a person to resign under such circumstances—I said, "No, not after they had charged them with an offence"—he then asked me what the punishment was for such an offence as he was accused of.

Cross-examined by MR. PRICE. Q. Where did he come from when you took him into custody? A. I found him in the solicitor's office—he told me at once that he had letters in his drawer—two letters, of a private nature, which were found on his person, were returned to him—I believe these were the only public official letters found on his person; they are directed or "William Tickell, seaman on board His Majesty's Ship Canopus, Malta or elsewhere."—" Mr. John Leain, on board His Majesty's Ship Revenge, Malta or elsewhere"—both the letters are marked, "put in without postage"—it appears they are common ship-letters—I do not know whether there is any postage on them.

W. S. YOUNG re-examined. One penny should he paid with these two letters—there has been no postage whatever paid with them.

GEORGE LEADBITTER re-examined by MR. PRICE. I went to Mr. Barnes's house, and to his private apartments in the Post-office—he pointed them out to me himself—they consisted of a sleeping-room and sitting-room—I do not know, of my own knowledge, whether he sleeps in the Post-office when on duty—I searched his house at Peck ham diligently—I discovered nothing to further this prosecution that I am sware of—I believe, when he spoke about resigning, he said something about the disgrace which would fall on his family, by his being tried at the Old Bailey—I found official stationary and tape in his drawers, with the letters—there was a partition in the drawer—the drawer was locked—the partition merely divided the drawer—it had no cover to it—the contents of the drawer could be seen the moment it was opened—there were papers and other things in both parts of the drawer.

W. S. YOUNG re-examined. This is the memorandum I made when I looked into the hat (looking at the letters and newspapers found is the prisoner's drawer)—these are the places to which the letters and newspapers in the prisoner's hat were directed—the amount of postage on them is the same—8s. 10d.—and stamps are the same—I have not entred any place as stamped on the Curacoa letter, because there is no stamp on it—only two of the letters are stamped, and two newspapers—I believe they are the same letters and newspapers I saw in the hat—one of them is open—I am not positive, but I think it was open when I saw it in the hat.

Cross-examined by MR. PRICE. Q. You speak of the places they were addressed to? A. And the stamp—they are to the British colonies, where letters are constantly addressed—they ought not to be in the Forign Office—they are single letters—it was the custom of Mr. Barnes to

sleep at the Post Office on his night of duty—I believe he slept there that night.

WASTELL ARROWSMITH re-examined. Q. Are these two newspapers and letters part of those he brought to you for the postage? A. He observed that one of the letters were going to Halifax, Nova Scotia—I cannot identify the letter, except that it has Halifax on it—I believe the newspapers to be the same as far as I can tell—he produced two newspapers about five minutes after, and said they were going to Mauritius and Madras—he held them in hand, and I saw them—I belive these two to be the newspapers.

JAMES HAYES . I am a messenger in the Post Office. I sometimes stamp letters in the Foreign Office—there is a different stamp for every day—I have the night number book—the letter addressed to Mellish, at Halifax, was stamped on the 2d of March—the number of the stamp is entered every morning in the book—this number of this is 166—I do not know whether that indicates that is came into the Foreign Office on the 2nd of March—I suppose it indicates that it should go forwards on that day—I cannot say that it indicates that it came into the office that day.

COURT. Q. Here is "F.M.A. 36—166.?" A. F. means foreign, 36 means 1836. and 166 the number we used on that morning.

MR. SHEPHERD. Q. If a letter is sent from the office on the 2nd of March, would it beat any other date on it than the number for the 2nd of March? A. No; it would bear no other number—after the stamps are used, they are given to the President—I cannot tell whether that letter must have been in the office on the 2nd of March.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS Q. Do you stamp the letters yourself? A. not always—generally speaking I do—the 2nd of March was a busy day—I stamped some letters that day—I cannot speak to stamping any particular letter—there persons stamp letters besides me—the stamp is a moveable one, fixed into a handle to suit the purpose of the day—I always put the stamp into the handle—I put it in the morning except on busy days—then we may put it in of an afternoon, which is rarely—when I speak of the busy days, that happens on the 1st of the month, which is more busy than any other—it is very rarely indeed that it happens, except on the 1st of the month—I have done it in the afternoon on other days—the stamp is kept on the desk—it is a public room—messengers, and clerks, and various persons, have access to the room in which the stamp is kept.

COURT. Q. How does it happen that this book does not proceed regularly? A. We take the numbers irregularly out of the drawer—there are various number in the drawer—we pick out what is proper for that day—the 2nd of March comes in the book after the 5th of April—because we put any numbers we like in the stamp—we do not proceed regularly.

JAMES LOWTHER . I am the senior President of the Foreign Office. Mr. Barnes and I were alternately on duty, one in the morning, and the other in the evening—this book contains the dates of each day, with the figures belonging to the day—the stamp on this letter indicates that it was stamped at the Foreign Office on the 2nd of March—at the close of the business the messenger delivers the stamp to the president—he sees that the impression is correct in the book, and affixes his signature in proof of it, and then burns or destroys them—the stamp is never used a second time—this Curacoa letter was stamped at the Foreign Office on the 29th of February last—the number is 145—this letter to New South Wales was

stamped at the Foreign Office on the 20th of February, by finding the number 200 on it—the stamp on the New Brunswick letter is illegible—this newspaper to Madras was stamped at the Foreign Office on the 29th of February last—here are two more stamped the same day.

Cross-examined by MR. PRICE. Q. You have not been examined on this business before? A. No—I am the superintending president—we are never called deputies, nor ever were—Mr. Darlot was the late deputy comptroller—he was not a president—if letter of this description are delayed, they sometimes bear a double stamp of the day on which they are forwarded, as well as on the day the mistake might happen, but such occurrences are extremely rare—it never occurs except a letter is found on the floor, or any thing of that kind—I understand the practice of the junior clerks—I have been through every grade myself—that is the general course of proceeding at the office—it is uniformly the case for the juniors to succeed the seniors as they are removed—I never, to my knowledge, omitted to forward a letter—there is a junior clerk on duty every evening, for the purpose of examining newspapers—they draw them from their bands, when they appear suspicious, to examine the date, to see that there is no writing—sometimes there is invisible ink made use of.

Q. Do not the presidents, on busy days, occasionally assist the junior clerks? A. Never—they might put their hands to a trifle—I mean if the president finds the business flag, and thinks the juniors want looking after, he would go to them for that purpose, and perhaps show them how they should do it—the juniors do want considerable looking after—they are very young men, at first—it is occasionally necessary for the President to reprimand them—the habit of counting letters is a matter of considerable difficulty to acquire with facility and rapidity, but they come to that progressively—they are Iiable to make a great many mistakes at first—the duty given them at first is proportionably light, till they gain experience—I have never been present officially when Mr. Young and Mr. Barnes have been on duty together—I may have looked in at the office when I have been passing—I have done so in the qualified way I have mentioned—I have no doubt of it in the way I express, but Young may have been on duty or not—I do not remember—I do not go in once a month perhaps—it is impossible to notice who is on duty when I am not on duty, in reference to any given period—I have been on duty with Mr. young—he is a very good officer, and I never no doubt he is improving daily—he could not be a good officer without having improved, as they are quite novices at first, and know nothing of the duty—I never knew him make a large mistake—the mistake in counting up silver and copper is one they alone have to do with.

Q. When they send in a bundle of letters, has not the President to report on the accuracy of their statement? A. He has; but I said silver and copper—that is between the clerk and the person putting the letter in.

Prisoner's Defence. I trust, my Lord and Gentlemen, that any diffidence I may feel in addressing a public court will be excused; and therefore, embarrassed as I am in this situation, as you will readily conceive I must be, I do take comfort at the kind and patient manner in which you have been pleased to conduct this inquiry—Gentlemen, were this an investigation before a Board of Commissioners, the usual and proper tribunal for such an inquiry, I should have felt no hesitation, but should have looked at it with perfect confidence as a prelude to my immediate exoneration; but summoned here before you, arraigned at the bar of a criminal.

court, to be called upon to explain acts of official negligence, or other official acts, whether of omission or commission, has excited very sensibly my feelings, and I hope to be pardoned if I say my indignation—Gentlemen, at the outset I must remind you, that I held the responsible situation of President of the Foreign Post-office, a situation which necessarily gave me the control of every act of duty on the part of the officers of that department—in every case I was authorized to use discretionary power, and to detain letters if there was any doubt as to the accuracy of their direction of the mode of forwarding them—I am accused of having embezzled small sums of money, and not forwarding the same to the Inland Office—all that I can say to this, is that if any such monies came into my hands for any such purpose, they were, with the letters, forwarded to the Inland Office—I say, "If they ever came into my hands. "for the first charge bears the date of Wednesday, the 2nd of March, which you have not now before you—on that very evening the Malta, the Buenos Ayres, the Brazils, and the Indian Mails, in addition to the ordinary mails, were made up; and it was with considerable difficulty that they could be prepared for dispatch—I believe the amount of postage received that evening, between five and seven o'clock, equalled, if it did not exceed what is taken on grand post nights, which are Tuesdays and Fridays—but, gentlemen, I am unable to state the exact amount, as an extract from what we term the night charge-book, in which the sums the window-man receives are entered, has been denied me, although I applied by letter to the President for it—my exertions, in addition to the confusion of the evening, may be estimated; for though I was President, and had no obligation to stoop to so menial an officer, I delayed settling the window charges, that I might assist at the sorting table; in fact my presence was constantly required in every part of the office—if I had any letters or money for the Inland Office, I should have sent them there directly, just as I received them, to have kept my table clear—I say, that, not only on post nights, but on every evening, there is an immense pressure of business, and a variety and multiplicity of things to attend to, which it is next to an impossibility that I or any one else can remember, as it relates to every transaction—Gentlemen, it is notorious that Mr. Young, who has been before you, is a very had reckoner; and I, as President, have had very frequent occasions to reprimand him on that account—no account of the transactions of the kind of which I have been speaking are ever kept—many letters going from the Foreign Office to the Inland Office, are completed at the moment out of hand—there is no account kept or taken, likewise, I should mention to you, on the otherwise of the tunnel, the Inland side, of what monies or letters are received—therefore that sum for letters and newspapers, which Young says he believes he gave me (8s. 10d.) on' if you bear in mind, according to his deposition, he had not previously seen those letters—that some letters were found in my drawer is certain, but it is a circumstance that happens to every public officer, and has happened to myself after twenty-seven years of service—can an act; call it negligence if you will, or rather by its true term, call it accident—is it possible that these letters, from among hundreds, nay thousands, were mislaid, and I neglected them purposely?—is it to be concluded that I intended to steal them?—is it intended to say I intended to steal the postage on them?—as to receiving from Arrowsmith or Young the sums of 7s. 8d., (or as I think in my agitation I may be incorrect as to the amount,) I can only say I have no recollection on the subject—Gentlemen, my house was searched, the peaceful abode of my

wife and family, and were letters and newspapers found? No—does it not rather prove as strong as proof can be, that the suspicion attached to me is false?—Mr. Young has said that I asked him for 3s. 10d. for letters from the Inland Office; and he stated that he did not give it to me at the time, but he did give it to me about a quarter of an hour afterwards, Now this is important, because there is no proof that he gave it to me at all; and this brings me from half past four o'clock to half past five o'clock, when he tells you I was asleep before the fire, and the letters were in my that—he has admitted to you, that he had not given me the 8s. 10d. before he saw the letters in my hat—has he satisfied you, Gentlemen, how it happened, that he, a public officer like myself, should see, what must have appeared to him a neglect of duty—should see me asleep before the fire with fatigue, (and those letters, which he must admit, if I had the money for them at that time, ought to have gone down the tunnel)—has he explained to you his neglect of duty, in not awakening me and reminding me of mine? But my Lord and Gentlemen, there is the messenger Craddock, a very respectable and steady officer, for what I know to the contrary, and he says he was on duty on Monday evening from five to eight o'clock, and no such letters came through the tunnel—suppose, as might be the case, that I overlooked them at the moment for the night, and that I put them into the tunnel next morning—I do not say that this was the case—I do not, I cannot, pretend to have any recollection of it; but can you believe me guilty of purloining such sums?—is not the smallness of their amount a proof of my innocence instead of my guilt? Gentlemen, need I further trespass on you concerning the present charge—I am convinced I need not—I almost think I hear you saying to each other, "Can it be possible that this man, who is in the receipt of £500 a year—can it be possible that such an individual could have hazarded his situation for the paltry sum with which he is charged?" At all times, if I was in want of money, I could readily procure it from my friends—can you think that, I who have filled in society the station of a gentleman, a man of education; and estimating at no mean rate the blessings which attend those advantages, with a wife and five children—having the approbation of my constant friend, Mr. Henry Freeling, the assistant secretary to the Post-office—I ask of you—I request—I desire—I implore you, Gentlemen, to look at these facts, and then, can you conceive it possible?—can you conceive it credible, (even put it is a lower grade of words)—that such a man as I now stand before you, after twenty-seven years of service, during which I trust I have been an honest servant of his Majesty—that I could be mad enough—that I could be such a fool as to put my myself—my character—my family—my existence, all in stake for the value of 9s. 4d.?

(Charles Ebsworth, wool-broker; Henry Phillips, architect and surveyor, Paragon, Kent-road; William Nill, fruit-broker, Pudding-lane; Frank Webb, wine-merchant, Kent-road; George Webb, accountants, Kensington; John Nill, wharfinger, Camberwell; and Henry Freeling, Esq-assistant secretary to the Post-office deposed to the prisoner's good character.


First Jury, before Mr. Recorder.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-1007
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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1007. JOHN DAVIS and GEORGE RAVENHILL were indicted for stealing, on the 7th of March, at St. Leonard, Shoreditch, 4 coats, value 7 l.;1 pairs of trousers, value 2l.; 2 waistcoats, value 1l. 5s.; 5 handkerchief, value 6s.; 1 brooch, value 7s.; 2 pairs of stockings, value 3s.; 1 scarf, value 1s. 6d.; 1 pair of braces, value 6d.; 1 spoon, value 1s. 6d.; and 1 stiffener, value 4d.; the goods of Robert Gunn, in his dwelling-house.

ROBERT GUNN . I live in Maidstone-street, Hackney-fields, in the parish of Shoreditch. I rent the house—the prisoner Davis's mother is my wife—On the 7th of March I left home about ten minutes to seven o'clock in the evening, leaving my wife at home—I had some boxes safely locked, in my bed-room—I returned at about a quarter-past seven o'clock in the morning—I am on night work at the gas-works—I missed all the articles stated in the indictment, worth about 7l. together—two locks of the boxes were broken—Davis lodged in the house—the other prisoner did not—the things were all safe in the boxes before I left the house, and the boxes locked—Davis was not in the house when I left—I have not seen him since that night, till 13th—a twopenny-post letter came on the night of the 8th, with three duplicates in it—my wife gave it to me next morning, and I delivered it and the duplicates to Sergeant Glibbery.

ANN GUNN . I am the prosecutor's wife. Davis is my son by a former husband—on Monday, the 7th of March, he came home about nine o'clock, George Ravenhill came with him—he said, George was come for me to go to his mistress, because she was very had; and George said I was to go to his mistress directly—he lived where Davis worked—her name is Mrs. Standfast—Ravenhill said, I had better go directly, because him mistress was very bad—I said I did not like to go very well, but did not like to disoblige Mrs. Standfast—he said, she would not want me above a couple of hours—I left Davis at home taking tea—Ravenhill went with me as far as Birdcage-walk, in Hackney-road—Mrs. Standfast lives in Norton Falgate—he left me in Birdcage-walk, saying, he was going to fetch Mr. Standfast's brother's wife—I went to Mrs. Standfast, which is nearly a mile from Birdcage-walk, and found her very well—I returned home directly—my son was not there—I did not find any body—the house was empty—I found my husband's boxes broken, and his clothes taken—I missed a tea-spoon which my son had used at tea—he did not return that night—I told my husband of this in the morning—on Tuesday 1 received a letter by the post, with three duplicates in it—this is it—my son came home on Saturday night—I said, "Is it you, John?"—he said, "Yes"—that was all he said—I asked him how he came to do this, and he did not answer me—my husband told the policeman to take him when be saw him—and he was taken.

HUGH HENRY CAMPION . I am shopman to Mr. Fry, a pawnbroker, in High-street, Shadwell. I produce two coats and a black silk handkerchief, pawned on the 8th of March, in the name of John Jones—I think the prisoner Ravenhill was present at the time—I do not know him, but I have some recollection of seeing him, at the time the things were pawned, in the shop, and he offered me a white silk scarf to pledge—I did not take it in, because he wanted more on it than I considered it was worth—here is the counterpart of the duplicate for the coats and handkerchief—this one is what I gave the person who pawned the articles—I do not think Davis is the man.

EDWARD WILLIAM WIGGINS . I am shopman to Simon Latter, a pawnbroker, in Broad-street, Ratcliff. I produce a coat, waistcoat, and trowsers, pawned on the 8th of March, wrapped in a blue cotton handkerchief, in the name of John—this is the counterpart of my duplicate—I wrote it myself—I am certain I never saw Ravenhill, and cannot swear as Davis—the person who pawned them I believe to be a stouter man than him—I live about three miles from the prosecutor.

JOHN STIMPSON . I am shopman to Mr. Hawkins, a pawnbroker, in Catherine-street, Limehouse-fields. I produce a coat, a pair of trowsers, and a waistcoat, pawned on the 8th of March, for 2l., in the name of George Wilson—one of the duplicates produced is what I gave for them—I have the counterpart—I cannot speak to either of the prisoners.

JAMES GLIBEERY (police-sergeant N 21.) I apprehended Davis—I told him I took him into custody for stealing things from from his father—he made me no answer—I received the letter and duplicates from the father.

ROBERT GUNN re-examined. This is the letter and the duplicates—there is something written in it, but nobody can make it out—I do not know the character of the hand-writing—the direction is perfectly right—I cannot say whose hand-writing it is.

MARY RAVENHILL . The prisoner Ravenhill is my son—I do not know the hand-writing of the letter.

SAMUEL STANDFAST . I live at No. 31, Notron Falgate. The prisoners worked for me—my life was quite on the 7th of March, and had not sent for anybody at all—it was a false pretence—I gave four silver spoons to Spencer, with I received from my wife on the 8th—she is not here.

THOMAS SOLOMON SPENCER (police-constable N 121.) From information I received I apprehended Ravenhill, and received from Mr. Standfast four silver spoons, one of which was claimed by Gunn.

ROBERT HOLDSWORTH . I am foreman to Mr. Standfast. Mrs. Ravenhill gave me four spoons, and I gave the same spoons to Mrs. Standfast, in the presence of the servant-girl, Ann Swainsbury.

ANN SWAINSBURY . I know that spoon came with the others—it is the one Holdsworth brought up stairs with three others—I am quite sure.

MARY RAVENHILL re-examined. I got the four spoons from the prisoner Davis—I asked him if he was not going to return to his mother—he said, no, he was going into the country—he put the spoons into my hand after a little while—I did not know what they were—I never opened them—I was so flurried, I delivered them to Holdsworth—Davis had worked with my son at Mr. Standfast's—I went to my son's in Edward-street, and both the prisoners came there—it was there that this happened.

HUGH HENRY CAMPION re-examined. A lad offered me a white silk scarf at the time I was advancing the money on the coats to another, and I believe the prisoner Ravenhill to be that lad—it was a very narrow, old-fashioned silk scarf, not much worn—it had a border with red in it.

MRS. GUNN re-examined. I lost an old-fashioned white silk scarf, with a narrow red border—I had had it a great while—it was not much worn—I got home about ten o'clock at night—I left about half-past nine—it would take Ravenhill five to ten minutes to go back to the house from where he left me—he might have gone to the house and left it again before I got back—the house is in the parish of Shoreditch.

JAMES GLIBERY re-examined. The house is in the parish of St. Leonard. Shoreditch.

Ravenhill to H. CAMPION. Q. Do you say I brought the silk scarf to the shop? A. I believe you are the lad—he asked 4s. on the scarf—I offered 2s. 6d.—he said that would not do.

COURT. Q. Did you voice of the person appear to correspond with

his voice? A. I noticed his countenance—it appears the same, and I think he was dressed similar to what he is now—he was in the shop longer than the other man—they did not appear in company; but the clothes being rather of a peculiar cut, I thought he was trying to impose upon me, and I joked the lad with the scarf—I said, I thought he was trying to impose upon me—he laughed—I lent 10s. on the coats—the man wanted 1l.—I took notice of the lad—he is very much like the lad who offered me the scarf.

(Property produced and sworn to.)

DAVIS— GUILTY .* Aged 19.


Transported for Life.

(There was another indictment against the prisoners.)

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-1008
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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1008. JOHN SMITH was indicted for stealing, on the 5th of April, 2 pairs of shoes, value 11s., the goods of William Thomas; and that he had been before convicted of felony; to which he pleaded

GUILTY .— Confined Six Months.

NEW COURT, Saturday, April 9, 1836.

Sixth Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-1009
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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GUILTY .— Transported for Seven Years.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-1010
VerdictNot Guilty > unknown

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1010. ALICE NEALE was indicted for embezzlement.

JOHN SKINNER . I am a cow-keeper and dairy-man. The prisoner was in my service—it was her duty to receive monies for me, and to pay then to me—she has never paid me 4s. 4 1/2d. received on the 21st of March, from Mr. Daly—nor 9s. 1 1/2d., received from Mr. Garment.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Had not she been in the service of your family for many years? A. Yes; she lived in my brother's service, and he gave up business in favour of his sister; and she married a Mr. Bradley—I do not know that the prisoner was in their service—when she had been with me three month months I reduced her wages, and stopped her breakfast—I know Mrs. Gooch, of Bruton-mews, a cow-keeper—the prisoner got a situation there after she left my service—I did not try to induce her to stay, and say I would raise her wages—I was pleased at her going to Mrs. Gooch's—I was glad to get rid of her, but I did not give her warning, because she was cleanly in her business—I did not find she was dishonest till after she left me—I did not find out these bills—I found her dishonest before I discharged her—I could have given her in charge.

Q. When she was going to Mrs. Gooch's did you not tell her she was a great fool not to stop, as the season was coming on, and you could advance her a little more? A. No, I never said any thing of the kind—I went and told Mrs. Gooch of this after the prisoner was there—I did not prefer any charge against the prisoner till the Saturday following—I did not see her when I went to Mrs. Gooch's—I don't recollect saying to her on the way to the station-house that is was her own fault, and she had no business to leave me—I will not swear I did not.

JURY. Q. Why did she leave you? A. I gave her a week's notice—I discovered

she had robbed me—she went on her knees and begged I would forgive her, and I did not discharge her for that—I did not know of the sums charged in the indictment till the week after she left—I did not go to apprehend her as soon as I found this—I had no opportunity.


4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-1011
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1011. HENRY BREWER . was indicted for stealing, on the 18th of March, 7 1/2 yards of lawn, value 1l. 1s., the goods of John Lowdon, his master.

JOHN LOWDON . I live in Crawford-street, Marylebone, and am a linen draper. The prisoner was twice in my employ, for about fifteen months altogether—on Saturday morning, the 19th of March, Mr. Attenborough came and stated, in the presence of the prisoner, that he had been to his house the night before, offering this piece of lawn on pledge—I asked him how he came by it—he made no answer at first, but at last he said it was entered to him—he had no right to take any thing and have it entered to him, unless it was entered by me or the principal young man, Mr. Sharp—another piece was entered on the Saturday morning, but the piece he offered to pledge on Friday night is not entered at all—this is the piece which Mr. Attenborough was talking of—I asked him when it was entered, and he said, "Thomas entered it this morning"—this conversation was on Saturday morning—I said we ought to search his boxes, and he was quite agreeable to it—we searched, but found nothing—the prisoner then called me into an adjoining room, and said, I have lived with you a long while, Mr. Lowdon—this is the first offence—I never did any thing of the kind before."—and he wished me to let him off.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS Q. Did you say before the Justice that he said it was his first offence?—A. I am not sure—what I told him was the truth—what I said was read over to me, and I signed it—if. It did not tell the Justice that the prisoner said it was his first offence, it was because it slipped my memory at the moment—I measured this piece at the police-office—there is seven yards and a little hit of it, I rather think—I have not my books here—the measure of this piece in the book in seven yards and a quarter—I cannot say that this is not seven yards and a quarter, because I have not measured it.

Q. As you have found a piece of 7 1/2 yards of lawn entered in your books, how can you tell that that is not the piece? A. I can tell very well, because this piece was offered in pledge on the Friday night, and the other piece was not entered till the Saturday morning—it is entered in my brother's writing—(the witness here measured the lawn, which was 7 1/4 yards)—it was measured at the police office.

JURY. Q. Was it entered in the book before the pawnbroker came to your shop? A. No, it was not.

COURT. Q. You have two piece of lawn, and you have sworn that the piece you have now in your hand is what you indict him for? A. Yes—here is the piece Mr. Attenborough borough brought to me—this is the piece that the prisoner said was entered by Thomas—this other piece I found at Miss Dunham's, where the prisoner left it—it has a mark of 7 1/2 yards on it—it was marked at the police office—(here the witness measured the piece, and it was seven yards)—there was only one piece measured at the office—I did not state that is was marked at the police office.

Q. Do you mean to say that you did not tell the jury, as plain as

tongue could speak it, "Here is the mark of 7 1/2 yards, it was marked at the police office? A. No, Sir; it was marked at my shop—we have been taking stock—it perhaps is the prisoner's marking—he took one piece one night, and another piece the following morning—he was afraid it would be detected, and he had a piece left out—he had no authority to take my goods out of our house, without having them entered first.

THOMAS LOWDON . I am shopman and cashier to Mr. John Lowdon. I was in the shop on Saturday morning—the prisoner called me to him—he said, "Enter this lawn to me"—he was speaking of this lawn—that is not the piece Mr. Attenborough produced—he had not then arrived—there was no one to enter it but I and my brother—I have not entered it—when he told me to enter the second one, he said, "There is 7 1/4 of it, but I do not believe it measures that length"—I said, "To be certain, we will measure it"—but, at the same time, I put down 7 1/4 yards in my book, when he told me there was 7 1/4 yards of it, before we measured it—when he measured it, he said it measured not quite 6 1/2—then says he, "It is not for me, but it is entered to me"—I replied, "It is very strange I should ester it to you, if it is not for you"—he said, "Oh, never mind, just make a memorandum of it"—I did not any thing more to it after that—he said, when I questioned him again, that he was going to Spring-street, but he did not tell me where to.

Cross-examined. Q. Why did you not measure it yourself? A. Because he said there was no occasion—he said, "I will just, measure it" and told me to let it remain as it was—I asked him if I might make a 6 7/8, and he said, "No, let it remain as it is"—I saw it measure—it measured up to 6 yards, and not quite 7/8—it did not measure seven yard.

COURT. Q. It was he himself that measured it? A. Yes, I was looking at him all the time—I have measured it since.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. You have said nobody but you and your brother entered things on the books; is that so? A. Yes, but Mr. Sharp you down.

ROBERT ATTENBOROUGH . I am a pawnbroker, and live in Charlotte-street, Fitzroy-square. The prisoner came on a Friday evening, about half-past seven o'clock—I do not know whether I took this lawn myself, or one of my young men; and I, seeing that he put one or two question, went up myself—he offered to pledge this seven yards and nearly one quarter of lawn—when I had taken it, I said to him, "What do you call this?"—says he "Linen"—I said, "No, it is not linen"—he said, "Cambric, aye, cambric"—he said, "No, it is not cambric, I think it is lawn—very fine Irish"—from his very confused manner I was doubtful, and asked where he got it; he said his sister bought it to make the fronts of a set of shirts—I asked the prisoner his address, he said, "No. 1, St. James-place, Hampstead-road"—I asked where he worked, he said, "That is no business of yours; if you do not like it, you may give it me back"—I said, "I cannot do that; if you will give me where you live, you many rely on my treating it with all the delicacy I can"—he then said, "I live at Bell and Bentley's, in Chespside"—I at last let him go—I went that night to Bell and Bentley's—I then went to St. James-place—I found he had lived there, but had left—I made some inquiries, and found the prosecutor—this is the piece he brought me, and which I took to his master's.

Cross-examined. Q. You knew what this was? A. Yes, he gave me

his card; with "Mr. Henry Brewer" on it, but not his address—it certainly lad me to find him out in this instance.

JURY Q. Did Mr. Lowdon own the lawn? A. Yes, he claimed it as his, and the prisoner called Mr. Lowdon on one side and spoke to him, and he came to me and asked me what he should do.

GUILTY. Aged 22.—Recommended to mercy by the prosecutor — Confined One Year.

4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-1012
VerdictNot Guilty > no prosecutor

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1012. GEORGE WALLIS was indicted for stealing, on the 3rd of March, 1 watch, value 2l. 10s.; 1 watch chain, value 1s.; 1 seal, value 5s.; 1 watch-key, value 4s.; 1 pencil case, value 1s.; and 1 knife, value 2s. 6d.; the goods of William Wallis.

The prosecutor did not appear.


4th April 1836
Reference Numbert18360404-1013
VerdictGuilty > unknown

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1013. WILLIAM HEWLETT was indicted for stealing, on the 13th of March, 1 pair of half-boots, value 3s., the goods of Samuel Woolstone.

SAMUEL WOOLSTONE . I live in High-street, St. Giles's and am a cordwainer—I lost this pair of half-boots, on the 13th of March, about half-past seven o'clock, or between seven and wight o'clock—they were hanging just inside the door-post—I had not told them.

PETER YOUNGMAN . About five minutes before seven o'clock in the evening. 1 was in High-street, St. Giles's—I saw the prisoner steal from the shop of Mr. Woolstone a pair of half-boots—he ran from the shop—I directly pursued and caught him—he ran and tried to make his escape—I saw him drop one when the officer took him—I did not see him drop the other, but I heard it fall—the officer picked up one, and I believe some one else picked up one.

HENRY CURTIS (police-constable F 156.) I saw the prisoner running, and just as the man caught him, I saw him drop one boot—I picked up this, and a person just by me gave me the other.

Prisoner. I took from distress—my father would not give me a farthing.

GUILTY . Aged 29.— Transported for Seven Years.