Old Bailey Proceedings.
28th November 1833
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28th November 1833
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Before the Right Honourable CHARLES FAREBROTHER , ESQ., LORD MAYOR of the City of London; Sir Joseph Littledale , Knt., one of the Justices of His Majesty's Court of King's Bench; Sir William Bolland , Knt., one of the Barons of His Majesty's Court of Exchequer; Sir John Bernard Bosanquet , Knt., one of the Justices of His Majesty's Court of Common pleas; Sir Claudius Stephen Hunter , Knt.; George Scholey , Esq.; John Atkins , Esq.; Anthony Brown , Esq.; Sir John Key , Knt.; Aldermen of the said City; the Honourable Charles Ewan Law , Recorder of the said City; Thomas Kelly , Esq.; John Cowan , Esq.; and Sir Chapman Marshall , Knt., Aldermen of the said City; John Mirehouse , Esq.; Common-Sergeant of the said City; and William St. Julien Arabin , Sergeant at Law; His Majesty's Justice of Oyer and Terminer of the City of London, and Justice of the Goal Delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City and County of Middlesex.



Alfred Simpson

William Martin

Riales Robson

William Dadds

John Taylor

Edmund Reid

Hutchinson Brown

Thomas Wilmot

David Thos. Clark

James Underwood

Stephen Plummer

Wm. Chas. Brown


Henry Blane .

Robert Woodward

Thomas Williamson

Henry Scott Floyd

George Allfree

William Hillman

John Pack

Robert Bedford

Joseph Somerfield

Samuel Burton

Saul Welch

James Johnson



John Good

Jas. Henry Green

Richard Hadds

William Hellyer

James Hones

John Hones

Robert Huntsman

George Jackson

Edward Jones

John Jones

Josh. Rich. Lemaire

John Lechalles


William Maberly

Hugh Metcalf

Thos. Wilson Mills

John Morris

Benjamin Nicholson

Thomas Okey

Thomas Wm. Perry

Thomas Pickard

John Poore

Nathaniel Rogers

William Sabine

William Smith


William Stirland

Farington Stevens

William Sykes

Edward Taylor

Alexander Tyndale

Henry James Tolley

John Toray

Richard Walley

Joseph Copeland

George De Bous .

John Elger

Barnard Smith


James Butler

James, Cochrane

Geo. Aug. Clements

John Coverdale

Robert Floyd

William Homan

John Jackson

John Kircaldy

Charles Pollard

George Archer

Wm. Bartholomew

James Baynton


Thomas Brushfield

Thomas Burton

Abia Butfoy

Theophilus Carr

George Chapman

William Davies

James Felton

Abraham Flint

John Gale

William Gandy

Samuel Barth . Gaze

William Gardner



A star placed against the verdict denotes that the prisoner has been previously in custody.

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-1

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1. JOHN KELLY was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of William Reynolds the younger, on the 28th of October , at St. Olave, Hart-street, and stealing therein, 1 great coat, value 4l., the goods of William Reynolds the elder, and 1 coat, value 3l., and 2 pairs of trousers, value 2l., the goods of Henry Augustus Harvey .

WILLIAM REYNOLDS , JUN. I live at No. 2, Savage-gardens, in the parish of St. Olave, Hart-street, in the city of London . On the 28th of October, I was at home, I was called by my housekeeper, who told me something; I went up-stairs to the first landing-place, where I saw a bundle of clothes on the floor; I heard also a step above stairs, and I proceeded up-stairs to where I thought I heard the noise; I went into the room on the second-floor; I locked that door and proceeded to the top room of house - I locked under the bed in that room, and found the the prisoner at the bar there - I took hold of him by the feet and pulled him out; he pretended to be drunk, and asked if it was not his boarding-house - I made him get up, brought him down stairs, and gave him into the custody of the beadle of the parish - the bundle contained a greatcoat, a coat, and two pairs of trousers; the great-coat was worth 4l., the coat 3l., and the trousers 1l. each - I do not recollect where I had seen these articles before, for they were not mine - we found a key about a week afterwards concealed under the carpet in the room where I found him, it is a new key - the outer street door is open during the day-time, but about eighteen or twenty feet in the passage there is another door which is constantly closed, and the key that was found up-stairs, opened that door with great ease - the bed-room doors were all open - this was about half-past five or six o'clock in the evening - the great coat was my father's, who happened to be on a visit to me at the time, his name is William Reynolds ; the other coat and the trousers were Mr. Henry Augustus Harvey 's, who was then, and is now residing with me; but where this property had been, I don't know of my own knowledge - it is my own dwelling-house.

ELIZABETH PLACE . I am housekeeper to the prosecutor. I heard a noise on the 28th of October, between five and six o'clock, and told my master of it - I had put the great coat on the Saturday before, on the drawers in the second-floor front-room, which Mr. William Reynolds occupied; the 28th was on the Monday - I saw the coat there on the Saturday night, and on the Sunday morning, and on the Monday morning about twelve o'clock - I am sure I saw it on the drawers on Monday - Mr. William Reynolds Senior was at home on that Monday after twelve o'clock; but he never went up-stairs.

Q. Now recollect be cautious, can you swear he never went up-stairs between twelve o'clock, and the time the prisoner was taken? A. Yes, Sir; no one went up-stairs but myself between twelve o'clock and the time the prisoner was taken - no one could go up without my knowing it - there was no bundle on the stairs at twelve o'clock - I know these other things are Mr. Henry Augustus Harvey's.

JURY. Q. There is a passage-door? A. Yes, and that could not be opened without a key - there is a way up-stairs from the counting-house, but the gentleman were there till five o'clock, when they dine.

COURT. Q. But whether any of them went up-stairs and moved this property, you don't know? A. No.

COURT to MR. REYNOLDS JUN. Q. Were you in the counting-house from twelve to five o'clock? A. No; I was there part of the day, but not from twelve to five o'clock.

THOMAS DEVEY . I am a constable. I took the prisoner, and have the key.

ELIZABETH PLACE . This key I found under the carpet, it opens the passage-door very easily.

JURY. Q. Where is the room you sit in? A. Even with the street; no one could go up without my hearing the door; I heard the latch of the door go in the evening, and I then told my master.

Prisoner's Defence. I am innocent of opening the door or stealing anything.

GUILTY - DEATH . Aged 24.

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-2
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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2. GREGORIO GUINEA was indicted for, that he, on the 11th of October , at St. Mary le Bow , in and upon Domingo Maria Ruiz de la Vega , feloniously, wilfully, maliciously, and unlawfully, did make an assault and with a certain knife, which he in his right hand, then and there had and held, the said Domingo Maria Ruiz de la Vega , in and upon the left side of his neck, face, and head; and in and upon the left side of the belly between his short ribs feloniously, wilfully, maliciously, and unlawfully, did stab, cut, and wound, with intent thereby to feloniously, wilfully, and of his malice aforethought, the said Domingo Maria Ruiz de la Vega , to kill and murder , against the statute, &c.

2nd COUNT, for stabbing the said Domingo Maria Ruiz de la Vega in and upon the left side of his body, between his short ribs, with a like intent.

3rd COUNT, like the first, only with intent to maim.

4th COUNT, like the first, only with intent to disable.

5th COUNT, for stabbing and wounding the said Domingo Maria Ruiz de la Vega, in and upon the left side of the belly, between his short ribs, with intent to do him some grievous bodily harm.

The prisoner being a foreigner had the indictment communicated to him by an interpreter, through whom he wished to plead guilty ; he was informed the Court could not hold out any hope of that plea being of any service to him, but he persisted in his plea of

GUILTY. - DEATH . Aged 46.

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-3
VerdictGuilty; Guilty
SentenceDeath; Death

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3. JOHN COVERDALE and JOSEPH TEBBUTT were indicted for feloniously breaking and entering, the dwelling-house of Henry Asher , on the 25th of May , at St. Bartholomew the Great, and stealing therein, 2 clocks, value 12l.; 2 coats, value 1l. 10s.; 3 waistcoat-pieces, value 15s.; 2 hats, value 1l. 10s.; 1 gown, value 6s.; 1 table-cloth, value 2s.; 1 silver spoon, value 2s.; 8lbs. of tea, value 4l.; eight yards of carpet, value 8s; 1 pinafore, value 1s.; 4 pints of wine, value 9s.; 4 pints of rum, value 6s; 6 bottles, value 9d.: and 3lbs. of tobacco, value 10s. 6d.; his property .

HENRY ASHER . I keep the George the Fourth public-house, in New-street, Cloth-fair, in the parish of St. Bartholomew the Great - on the 25th of May, I retired to rest about one o'clock in the morning; I was the last person up - the house was safe when I went to bed - at seven o'clock in the morning, my servant Elizabeth Smith called my attention to the state of the premises; I went down stairs immediately, and found the back door open, the shutters of the back window taken down, and the tap-room window open, which gave then access to the bar - a passage leads to the back part of my premises, and that door was open - I missed two table-cloths, eight yards of stair carpet, a table-cloth, three bottles of rum, three bottles of sherry, two hats, and various articles; tea, tobacco, a gown, great coat, and a body coat, three waistcoat pieces, a tea-spoon, and some blue cloth - I have recovered a table-cloth, a gown, and the eight yards of stair carpet - the thieves had entered at the back part of the premises - the tap-room looks into the yard - a person could get in at the window by taking down the shutter - that was the manner they entered the tap-room and afterwards opened the back gate in the yard - I found a piece of candle in the passage which was not then burning.

Cross-examined by MR. LEE. Q. You have sworn that on the night of the robbery you were the last person up? A. Yes; I did not swear before the magistrate that my servant was the last person up - I said it was her duty to lock up the premises; but I was the last person up.

ELIZABETH SMITH . I am servant to the prosecutor; I generally fasten up the house, but Mr. Asher looks to it afterwards - I went to bed between twelve and one o'clock on the night in question - I do not know whether I left Mr. Asher up - he generally looks to the fastenings - the house was quite safe when I fastened it up - he shuts the shutters himself - next morning I came down about half-past seven o'clock, and found the back door open, and the tap-room shutters taken down - I informed Mr. Asher; after opening the street door and shutters, I found the bar door open and a drawer in the bar wrenched open by a crow-bar, which laid on the table - I have since seen a gown which was lost, belonging to Mrs. Asher - the dress-maker had only brought it home the night before - I missed two table-cloths, eight yards of carpet, some tea, tobacco, rum, wine, blue cloth, and other things.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you present when the dress-maker brought the gown home? A. Yes; there is no mark by which I should be able to speak to it except the print of it - it is a buff and lilac flower - there is no mark on it, no more than the make of it - the-table cloth was on the table at supper the night before - it was marked with an iron mould - that is a very common mark, but I know it was missed that night - there is no other mark to enable me to swear to it - there is no mark on the stair carpet to my knowledge more than the quantity.

COURT. Q. Should you know the spoon? A. It was a very small spoon, chased, and bent very much.

LOUISA DAY . I lodge at No. 12, Pear Tree-street, St. Luke's. I am the wife of John Richard Day; I remember seeing Coverdale on the Saturday before Whit Sunday; to the best of my knowledge it was about four or five o'clock in the morning - I saw him in my apartment

- there was a person named Tyrrell in the same room; he occupied the same room with me; he was out of bed at that time - Joseph Tebbutt followed Coverdale in; Coverdale had a clock and a coat thrown over his arm, with a fur collar, a bundle with a table-cloth about it, a white hat, a black coat, and several other articles - Tebbutt had a clock, and a bottle with the neck of it broken, containing white wine; I tasted the wine - at the time this happened, I had two rooms at No. 8, New-street, Cloth-fair, two doors from Mr. Asher's - I had let one of those rooms to John Coverdale and another person - the street-door of the house I live in, stands on the latch, and is seldom bolted; my bed-room door can be opened by a person from outside; it has no lock to it - it would push open; the bolt is so slight - Tyrrell got up when they came in; he asked Coverdale what he had there - he swore at him, and told him to go about his business - I thought I had seen the clock before - I was a customer of Mr. Asher's; I made an observation about it - Coverdale said, "Hold your tongue, I will go away directly; I only want my basket" - and I said, "That clock has come from next door" - the prisoners were present; they at first said it had not, and that I was foolish; but I insisted on it, and said I should tell the people - Coverdale persuaded me that it was not, but I persisted in it, and Coverdale leant over on the bed and said he would murder me if I said any thing about it, but if I did not he would make me a present of a new gown - I had an old baker's basket belonging to Coverdale in the room - he asked for it, and put into it the things I have described, and one of the clocks, the fur-collared coat, the hat, and other things I have mentioned - I saw something which I found afterwards to be a dress - he took the baker's basket away on his back - Tebbutt was not so harsh as Coverdale, and told me to take a glass of wine out of the bottle; I said I was not fond of white wine, but he pressed it, and out of fear I took it - he left the room with one of the clocks and a sack thrown round it, which had been in Coverdale's baker's basket - Tyrrell came to bed when they left; I had not seen Tebbutt before - we got up at eight o'clock in the morning, and in about an hour Tebbutt came to the room again, and said, with an oath, that he had missed Jack, and asked me to have some gin; I refused, but he wished to have some, and I went to Asher's to get some; Mrs. Asher was crying, and it was said they had been robbed - I brought the gin to the lodging, I merely tasted it - I afterwards saw a Mrs. Childs; she knocked at my door, and asked if a person named Day lived there (Tebbutt heard this); I said, "Yes, my name is Day" - when my door is open you can see all over the room - she said to Tebbutt,"You are the person I want" - she took a little of the gin, and Tebbutt left the room - she said Jack wanted him at her house, for the property was there, and he was to come immediately - she thought he would have been there before - Tebbutt called again the same evening - I saw Coverdale on the Sunday, about one o'clock in the day; it was Whit-Sunday; he called with a little boy - that was on Whit-Sunday; (this happened the day before Whit-Sunday) - on the Monday I was with Tyrrell the greatest part of the day - we called at Mrs. Child's in Brewer-street in the afternoon, and saw her, and took tea there; she showed me a table-cloth and some tea in it, and I observed a paper with a quantity of tobacco in it, and a great coat, and the basket which Coverdale had at my place - after we had had tea, I saw Coverdale and Tebbutt there; while they were together, I said to Coverdale, "You have brought a fine disgrace on me by this business;" that I had always been looked on as honest, and was now looked upon quite different - he said it was all nonsense - I said Asher had offered me 10l. to discover who committed the robbery, and he had told me on Sunday, if the property was brought back, he would give 5l., and it might be sent back any way they pleased, and he would send the 5l.; then Coverdale and Tebbutt began to be very angry and abused me, and told me to mind myself - Tebbutt was more angry than before; Coverdale said the property fetched 2l., and that it could not be got again if 50l. was given for it - they wished to join 1s. each to have refreshment; I said, "I shall not stop," and they went to the adjoining room - I went down stairs; Tyrrell followed me a short time after - Coverdale never came to lodge with me after that - I have seen Coverdale three or four times since that, but never Tebbutt.

Cross-examined. Q. Now, on what night was this? A. It was not night, but on the Saturday morning before Whit-Sunday - I cannot tell the day of the month - I am quite certain it was the Saturday before Whit-Sunday; I was in bed that night, not with my husband - he is alive; he was not with me - John Tyrrell was with me; I am a married woman, and I was sleeping with Tyrrell - I believe him to be an honest man; he is now in Newgate on a charge of robbing his master - I had lived with him some length of time - on this night my husband was in another room in the same house - I was never under charge for any dishonesty, that I swear - I was never charged with any felony, never taken in custody by any officer on a charge of felony, nor any charge at all - I had lived with Tyrrell from the 17th of February last.

Q. And you saw all these different articles - you must have minutely inspected them? A. The bed was so close to the door, and it was day-light - part was in a bundle with a table-cloth; I did not open the table cloth - I speak to the loose things - I did not see the tea in my own room - I had seen the clocks a number of times before, and told them they had been stolen - I had not the least doubt they had been stolen, nor from whom they had been stolen - I was afraid to tell the prosecutor of the robbery when I went for the gin; I did not then tell him that I knew the party - I told the story I have told here to day, at Hatton Garden - I never told of it from the time I saw the clocks till the week before last - my fright had not gone off at all at that time - I always said, if ever Coverdale was in custody, I made a vow in my mind that I would tell of it, and I heard he was in custody, and told - I believe Tyrrell was taken in custody last Tuesday week - I believe Coverdale was taken before.

Q. Now do you not know that Tyrrell himself was the person who committed the robbery? A. I do not believe that he did commit the robbery - he could not for he was

in bed with me; and from the way he talked to the prisoner when he came to the door, he could not have been the guilty man - I did not sleep sounder that night than usual - I cannot say how long I had slept - I went to bed very early in the evening - I cannot tell what time, whether it was four, six, eight, or ten o'clock; I went to bed first - I cannot say how long after I went to bed Tyrrell came, but he was in bed before eleven o'clock that night - I was not exactly sober when I went to bed - I was sober when I awoke, quite so - I awoke and found myself sober, between eleven and twelve o'clock - I hear the church clock go every quarter of an hour, when I am in bed - I heard the clock strike twelve; I counted it.

Q. What was your reason for counting it? A. I asked him what o'clock it was, and he said twelve, and I heard the watchman go twelve, and I could count it - I went to bed very stupid and wished to know the time, and it was before I heard it strike that I asked the time - I heard the clock strike the quarters and I inquired the time - when the quarters went, I said, "What time is it?" and he told me - I went to sleep again - Tyrrell did not leave the bed that night and return early in the morning - I did not awake again till the prisoners came to the door, which was between four and five o'clock - it was daylight, and the Close-gates open at five o'clock - I am certain that Tyrrell did not commit the robbery, on my oath - I drank a little of the gin I got from the prosecutor's; there was such a small quantity - I had never seen Mrs. Childs before; she was an acquaintance of Coverdales's - she made the statement I have told you; - I was offered 10l. to tell of the robbery - the reason I did not tell of it next morning was, because I had been threatened; my reason for telling was, I always said if ever Coverdale was in custody, I would tell of it, and so I did - Coverdale is the only man who threatened me - Tebbutt threatened to knock me down and called me bad names; but Coverdale threatened me more; he threatened my life - I never told the story till Coverdale was locked up - I never heard of any warrant being out against Tyrrell before Coverdale was apprehended - the charge against Tyrrell was for robbing his master; that was the only charge against Tyrrell that I know of.

Q. How did you get your living while you lived with Tyrrell? A. I am a book-folder and sewer, and got my living by that, I worked with my father, John Horns Baker, a book-binder, 21, Gee-street, Goswell-road; and another gentleman, Mr. Hodson, of Cloth-fair, a bookseller; my father is a binder - when he is not busy, I go out to work - I never had occasion to walk the streets; I do not; I never did in my life; I swear that - I earned sometimes 10s. a week, sometimes 18s. and sometimes 20s. according to the work - I have two rooms of my own which I paid rent for; those were the rooms I was in with Tyrrell - my husband was sleeping with Coverdale at that time - Tyrrell was not placed at the dock at Hatton Garden to my knowledge on this charge; I do not know whether he was or not; I saw him at Hatton Garden alongside the prisoners; I suppose he was placed there on the robbery of his master; on my oath, I do not know that he was placed in the dock on this charge - I was there; I was ordered to be there by a policeman; I was examined as a witness - Tyrrell was in the dock with the prisoners when I was examined on this charge; he was discharged.

COURT. Q. Was he discharged at that time? A. He was discharged on this, and committed on the other - the magistrate said he was not committed as prisoner at present.

MARY CHILDS . I am the wife of William Childs , and live at No. 14, Brewer-street, Clerkenwell; the prisoner Coverdale, came to my house to lodge on the Saturday before Whit-Sunday - he came to my house from Tyrrell's, between six and seven o'clock in the morning; he lived at Tyrrell's, at that time - he came a little before seven o'clock; he brought a baker's basket with him; I had no reason to know what was in it till I went to Tyrrell's; I did not know what was in it, till Mrs. Tyrrell, who is called Mrs. Day, let me into the robbery; she let me into the fact, that the house had been robbed; she (Mrs. Tyrrell,) produced a tinder box which stood empty in the garden; she used very foul language - I did not oversee the contents of the basket Coverdale brought home - I saw part of the things, but what I saw I cannot state; I saw the table-cloth and some tea in it, some tabacco in a paper, part of a bottle of rum, and one table-cloth; a great coat, with a fur collar, and a buff gown; I went to Tyrrell's lodging that some morning after breakfast, for Coverdale, to tell Tyrrell, (not Coverdale) to come; I found Tebbutt, and Mr. and Mrs. Tyrrell very tipsy - I did not give any message to Tebbutt, further than that Coverdale wanted him; I told Tyrrell, Coverdale wanted him, and Tebbutt went out with him; they both heard what I said; when I got home, the things were taken away - the clock and gown were left, and about half-a-pound of tea - the clock was removed on Monday - I cannot say by whom; the gown was given to me; I pledged it at Walker's, in Goswell-street - I considered it my own; the gown was given to me before I went to Tyrrell's, and heard of the robbery.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you recollect the day of the month you went to Mrs. Day's in the morning? A. It was the day before Whit-Sunday; she was very much in liquor, I could see that - she made use of some foul language - she did not appear at all alarmed when she gave a description of the robbery; when I came to the lodging, I came to enquire on the part of Coverdale, for Tyrrell; (not Tebbutt) I did not say I wanted Tebbutt, nor that Jack wanted him; I was sent for Tyrrell, to say John was waiting in the road, and wanted him - I did not say the property was at my place; I went from Coverdale, to Tyrrell, for him to come into the road to speak to Coverdale, who was waiting; I did not mention where the property was; I returned to my house - I am quite sure I did not carry the message for Tebbutt, to come to my house, nor that the property was at my house; Mrs. Day told me first of the robbery having been committed.

JAMES ROWLAND . I am a shopman to Mr. Walker, pawnbroker, No. 48, Goswell-road; I produce a gown pawned by Mrs. Childs.

WILLIAM CHILDS . I am the husband of Mary Childs - Tebbutt never lodged at my house - Coverdale did at

times, when he had no home to go to; he has often been a lodger of mine; on one Saturday, I saw a baker's basket at my house; (when he has been in place, he is a baker;) I saw a gown and some tobacco at my house - Coverdale brought it there; I was not at home when he brought it; I saw it on my premises - that is the gown; my wife wore it, and afterwards pawned it; I saw a table-cloth; it was taken away on the Monday following, I believe.

ELIZABETH BAILEY . I am the wife of Henry Bailey, and live at No. 12, Little Edward-street, Hampstead-road; I am related to Coverdale; he brought a clock to my house - I don't know when; it was this year, in the spring of the year I think; he asked me if I knew anybody who would buy it; I said I did not know, but I would ask some neighbours; I shewed it to Mrs. Denham - she came in and looked at it; he took away the clock afterwards; he said he had pawned it; he produced a duplicate to me; I sold the duplicate to Mrs. Denham, for 2s.

JANE DENHAM . I am the wife of John Denham, a plasterer, No. 11, Little Edward-street. I saw the clock at Mrs. Bailey's early in the spring - I saw Mrs. Bailey again that same afternoon, and bought the duplicate of the clock of her - I took the clock out of pawn three or four months afterwards, at Mr. Baylis's, Hampstead-road; I paid, I believe, two shillings and sixpence for the duplicate; my husband fetched it out; the clock is here.

THOMAS HUGHES . I am a shopman to Mr. Baylis, pawnbroker, No. 8, Hampstead-road. I took this clock(looking at one produced,) in on the 29th of May; I recollect it being the same; it was pawned for 2l., and it was taken out on the 29th of August - 2l. 2s. was paid for it; it is worth about 3l. 10s.; I should think it worth more.

RICHARD BAYLIS (policeman G 5). I lodge at No. 55, Whiskin-street, Clerkenwell. I apprehended Tebbutt on the 23rd of November, at No. 13, Paul-street, Finsbury - I afterwards returned to that house, and brought away some stair carpet - I had seen it there when I took him into custody - I afterwards received this clock from Mrs. Denham - Coverdale was taken into custody on the 15th of November in Rosoman-street, Clerkenwell - the prosecutor said it was his - I found Tebbutt in the house; he came down stairs; he told me he lived there.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Did Tebbutt lend you every assistance to examine the premises? A. His wife did after I took him - there was no difficulty thrown in my way - she opened every door, box, and drawer, about the house - the carpet appeared to be quite worn - it had been on the stairs a long time, and was very much stained - it was nailed down on the stairs - it is quite a common pattern - it exactly fitted the stairs - I should think from the manner in which it was laid down it was done by a person who understood the business; it was properly laid down; there was not the least hesitation made to my taking it away.

HENRY ASHER . There is no mark by which I know this carpet; nothing more than the colour, quality, and length - it was taken out of my cupboard, and had never been used nor cut; it is a little more than eight yards - I had bought it to cover my seats about two months before - I know this clock to be mine by the piece of brass broken at the side, and the silk broken down; I propped up the broken brass by two pieces of wood; I seldom take notice of gowns, but I have every reason to believe this is the gown - I have recovered nothing else.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Where did you buy the carpet? A. Of a young man man who visited my house; he is a general dealer; I don't know whether he had any more of it; he might have more of it; he was in a general line of business, there are others of the same pattern no doubt; whether he sold any more to any body else; I cannot tell; I lost two clocks.

ELIZABETH SMITH . I know the gown.

Coverdale's Defence. The clock produced, and the gown, and several other articles, I bought of a man in Old-street.

Tebbutt's Defence. I bought the carpet in Rosemary-lane, and have a witness I believe who was with me.

MARTHA BARTLETT . I keep a Baker's-shop, at No. 29, Lloyd's-row, St. John-street-road. In May and June I was confined by illness; I was totally confined to my bed during those two months - Tebbutt worked for me nearly the whole of those two months as journeyman - I called on him for assistance the first week in May, and he continued to work for me till I got better, which was nearly till the latter end of June - I had no other journeyman; it was necessary for him to be up early in the morning but not late at night; he slept in my house to be ready in the morning; it is usual to commence business about four o'clock in the morning; his wife was also attending me during those months; he slept in the adjoining room to me with my children; one of my children is named Martha; she is twelve years old; the other is Willliam, he is eight years old; it was the habit of his wife to set up with me during the night she laid down occasionally in her clothes, with that exception she attended me night and day; I used generally at four o'clock in the morning to make him hear by knocking at the pannel, provided his wife was asleep, and I did not like to disturb her; the business could not have gone on unless he had been there at that time in the morning; it would be entirely lost; my business was not at all interrupted by his absence till I was able to attend to it myself.

COURT. Q. Did you make the bread afterwards? A. It is not exactly bread making; it is in the small way - I bake every day.

Q. Do you remember Whit-Sunday? A. Yes; the prisoner slept at my house on the Saturday night before Whit-Sunday; he is hardly ever later home than half-past ten o'clock; generally between half-past nine and ten o'clock - I cannot say whether he was home by ten o'clock on that Saturday night - I think it was after eleven o'clock when he came in - my premises are a mile and a half from Cloth Fair I should consider - I live near Sadler's Wells - he dined with me on Whit-Sunday - I saw him on Sunday at breakfast and dinner; he went out in the afternoon; I remember the Friday before he came home between ten and eleven o'clock on Friday night - he had no room to sit in except the bed-

room next to me; I could hear him go to bed; he went to bed on that Friday night a little after eleven o'clock - he had a little bit of supper, and went to bed directly - his wife sat up with me that night; I was very bad that night - I always bake double on Saturday - his wife called him herself that morning, between three and four o'clock; I myself saw him on Friday night; he generally came in to bid me good night, before he went to bed - my business was carried on as usual, and my customers supplied on that Saturday; that could not have been done unless he had attended to the business or found somebody to do it for him - I must have known if he employed anybody to do it for him; I could hear him at work as I laid in bed that morning; I slept in a parlour on one side the shop in which he worked; I had a temporary bedstead put up at the back part of the shop, with a screen for him; he slept in part of the shop; the shop and bedstead, are altogether; there is a screen - he slept in the same bed as the children; the girl of twelve years of age sleeps on one side, and the boy in the middle, he having known them from their infancy; he is a well conducted man; I never heard any harm of him; I employed him several times in my business - he had a home in Paul-street, Finsbury - but my work is very particular early in the morning, and I was fearful of his not coming; I could not employ a journeyman who lived so far off.

Q. What makes you recollect so many months ago, the hour a man got up? A. My illness made me awake so much; he got up at that time almost every morning; but on Saturday's perhaps half an hour earlier; he came to me the first week in May; I bake muffins; he generally got up between three and four o'clock - I first heard of this offence one day last week; there were lodgers up stairs in the house; none of them are here - I sent for him to No. 13, Paul-street; his wife laid down alongside of me, and the man slept in the bed with the two children; it is a turn-up bedstead with a sort of half-tester; it was only put up temporary; if I had been well the children would have slept with me - the door is open all day; if the lodgers wanted to go out past my hours they take the key of the street-door - I must have heard the door opened if the prisoner had taken the key - my lodgers are all working people and seldom out late; I am certain the prisoner was in my premises between three and four o'clock in the morning of the Saturday before Whit-Sunday, and he had come there at eleven o'clock the night before - I have a recollection of the fact on that particular day; I have not heard it sworn he was elsewhere - he remained at work from between three and four o'clock to a little before dinner, making muffins all that time - we serve several hotels and send them early in the morning; they will have them new; he had his breakfast at his work; he was generally done at dinner, and sit down to dinner - I have lived in the house five years, carrying on the same business - he was never one morning absent from the beginning of May to the end of June - the work was always done; a day never passed without my seeing his face - he came into my bed-room; his wife and the family dined in the room I slept in - I have only two rooms - the muffins were made in the room the prisoner slept in.

ELIZABETH IRESON . I know the prisoner Tebbutt and his wife (looking at the carpet) I saw the prisoner purchase some carpet like this, as near as I can recollect, about five months ago, or it may be six months; it was some time in June, I think about the middle - he bought it in Rosemary-lane, of a man; I did not know the man- I had been to Rosemary-lane to buy the bonnet I have now on my head - I was coming back; and on Tower-hill I met the prisoner, and returned with him to Rosemary-lane - he bought two bits of carpet - he gave the man 6s. for the piece which I believe to be this, and 10d. for another piece, which his wife has now got in her possession - I saw the carpet down at his place in Paul-street once; it seemed to me to be the same piece of carpet - I am no relation of his.

COURT. Q. What time of the day were you in Rosemary-lane with the prisoner? A. I think about twelve o'clock, or between twelve and one o'clock - I recollect it was on a Wednesday - I don't know Mrs. Bartlett - the prisoner was at work at that time, but I don't know where- I had been to purchase the bonnet and met him; I have known him for years; I had walked very little way with him - the carpet was not bought in a shop, but in the street, of a man who had several pieces on his arm; the prisoner stopped the man - he had told me he was going to buy a carpet - the man was walking along the street, not offering it for sale; it is a place where they sell goods of this sort - I cannot say what time in June this was, but it was on a Wednesday in the beginning of June- I did not go home with him; we parted on Tower-hill, he had got a coat on then - he did not appear clean for the day, he was tidy; he looked clean - he had not a baker's dress on - I think the other piece was a yard and a quarter; the large bit was nearly nine yards; it was not new but very old, the worse for wear - it had been down, for there was the mark of nails in it.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Is it common for persons to sell goods under their arms in Rosemary-lane? A. Yes; it was in June; I am well aware, because there is a fair held where I came from in Northamptonshire, and I went down there on the 24th, and it was a few days before that.

MARTHA BARTLETT , JUN. I am twelve years old on the 11th of November. I am the daughter of the witness; my mother lives in Lloyd's-row, St. John-street - she was ill in June last; she was taken ill before Whitsunday a long while - she recovered after June - I know the prisoner Tebbutt and his wife - his wife nursed my mother - Tebbutt carried on my mother's business when she was ill - he slept in her house along with my brother and me - Mrs. Tebbutt slept and laid down along with my mother when she did lie down; the house is let out a good deal in lodgings - my mother slept in the next room to us, and Mr. Tebbutt, me, and my brother, slept in the same room as we carried on the business - we used to sleep with mother before she was taken ill - we had a little tester bedstead - the shop joined my mother's bed-room - the bedstead was put up in the shop; one part of the shop is divided, where I, and my brother, and Mr. Tebbutt slept - Tebbutt first came in May, and continued there till about the middle of June - I remember Whitsunday; I remember it, because before mother was taken ill she promised to take me out, and as she was taken ill she could

not - I was promised to be taken to Greenwich Fair with my brother, as she was ill we could not go - it was our custom to bake every day; we baked more on Saturday's - I remember the Saturday before Whit-Sunday; we baked on that Saturday, according to custom, more than on other days - my mother had no other assistance but the prisoner to carry on business - he got up between three and four o'clock that Saturday morning; I recollect that circumstance - it generally takes from the time he gets up in the morning till about two o'clock in the afternoon to make the muffins - on Saturday's he got up earlier; he breakfasted at home on that Saturday - it was his habit to breakfast in the shop; he used to breakfast generally and bake too, because he could not leave the business - he dined with my mother on the Sunday and his wife also; that was rather before the business was over - Mr. Tebbutt did not sit down to dinner.

Q. I am not speaking of the Sunday, but Saturday morning? A. Yes; he dined on that day just before the work was done - we bake on Sunday's.

MARTHA BARTLETT , Sen. Not in the summer we do not.

MARTHA BARTLETT , JUN. Not on Whit-Sunday we did not.

COURT. Q. What number of lodgers have you at home? A. There is five rooms - the lodgers had an opportunity of seeing the prisoner come from time to time - they generally came in about ten o'clock at night - sometimes they might be out till half-past - there is only one key to the street door - sometimes my mother kept that, and if the lodgers wished to be out she lent it to them - I do not recollect that any lodger had the key between the beginning of May and middle of June - they do not come in at all hours - while mother was ill they generally came in because they would not disturb her - the prisoner had worked for my mother a very little before she was taken ill, (about a month) - we bake every day - he did not leave when he had done work, till between three and four o'clock, because he used to send us round with the muffins to the customers, and used to be home again about five o'clock to tea - I do not know where Rosemary-lane is.

JURY to MRS. CHILDS. Q. You were sent to New-street, to fetch, a certain party; who was you sent for? A. Tyrrell, not Tebbutt - I was sent between ten and eleven o'clock in the morning - when I went the prisoner Tebbutt was there - it was at eleven o'clock on the Saturday morning - I am positive I saw him there, and they went out together.

COURT. Q. Did not you state to the question more than once put to you, that when you went to Tyrrell's house for Tebbutt, that Tyrrell and Tebbutt both came out together with you? A. Yes; I sent them to Coverdale - I did not say it was seven o'clock when I went: I said, it was seven o'clock when the things came to my house - it was after breakfast - I was at Mrs. Day's about ten o'clock in the morning - I did not see Tebbutt afterwards with Coverdale - I staid at Mrs. Day's house to hear of the robbery from her - Tyrrell and Tebbutt went out together - I afterwards saw Tebbutt with Coverdale - he drank tea with me and Mrs. Day, and Coverdale, on the Saturday - I heard Mrs. Day make a complaint to the men about only giving Tyrrell 8s. of the money - I heard Mrs. Day in their presence say, she had an offer of money to disclose the robbery - that was in Tebbutt's presence - Tebbutt told her she might do as she pleased, and she said, if it had not been that John was one among them, the Lord help them - Tebbutt flew off rather in a pet, and said he did not wish to have quarrelling - I do not recollect hearing Coverdale saying anything to her in Tebbutt's presence about what Asher had offered respecting the robbery.

Catherine Close , wife of John Close , a Baker, of Theobald's Road, gave the prisoner Tebbutt, a good character.



28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-4
VerdictGuilty; Not Guilty; Guilty
SentenceDeath; Death

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4. The said JOHN COVERDALE , JOHN TYRRELL , dan THOMAS FOSTER , were indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of William Keyzer , at St. Pancras, on the 12th of November , and stealing therein 1 work-box, value 9s.; 3 handkerchiefs value 3s.; 1 veil, value 1s.; 2 shawls, value 1l.; 1 ring, value 2l.; 1 sheet, value 6d.; 2 aprons, value 2s.; 1 pellarine, value 7s.; 1 gown, value 3s.; 4 night caps, value 1s.; 1 tongue-scaper, value 2s.; 1 box, value 1s.; 1 pen-knife, value 2s., the goods of Ann Howard -1 looking-glass, value 5l.; 1 liquor-case with 4 bottles, value 1s.; 1 tea-caddy, value 10s.; 2 salt-cellars, value 8s.; 1 mustard-pot, value 5s.; 1 cruet-stand with 3 bottles, value 12s.; 1 glass decanter, value 5s.; 1 sugar cannister, value 2s.; 2 candlesticks, value 8s.; 1 pair of snuffers, value 2s.; 1 violin, with 2 bows and case, value 10l.; 1 set of chimney ornaments, value 15l.; 4 wine-glasses, value 5s.; 5 napkins, value 2s.; 2 table-cloths, value 4s.; 1 piece of green baize, value 3s.; 30 spoons, value 4l.; 3 silver forks, value 15s.; 1 ladle, value 5s.; 12 knives and forks, value 10s.; 1 mortar and pestal, value 5s.; 1 tea-pot, value 2s.; 2 coffee-pots, value 4s.; 12 plates, value 3s.; 3 bladders of lard, value 15s.; 3 caps, 4s.; 32 sovereigns, 8 half-crowns, 40 shillings, 1 £10, and three £5 bank notes, the property of the said William Keyzer .

WILLIAM KEYZER . I am a zinc manufacturer , and live at No. 5, Kepple-row, New-road, in the parish of St. Pancras . The prisoner Tyrrell was in my service, not constantly, but for some time; he did not sleep on the premises - on the 12th of November, in the morning, my attention was called to the state of my premises; I went down stairs, and found Tyrrell there - it was before seven o'clock in the morning; it was in the course of his business to be there at that time - I have no entrance to my house except at the front - the counting-house is on the ground-floor - I missed from the counting-house 32l. in gold, about 3l. in silver, three £5 and one £10 Bank of England notes - I believe there were some half-sovereigns among the gold; there were a good many sovereigns - some of the money was kept in a cupboard,

and some in a drawer; those places were not locked, except that the counting-house door was locked - I had locked the counting-house door about eight o'clock the night before (the 11th of November); I went to bed about twelve o'clock, and was the last person up - I missed from the drawing-room several china ornaments, and a looking-glass - I missed from different parts of the house fifteen silver spoons, a punch-ladle, three forks, a violin and case, two bows, a pier-glass, fifteen inches by three feet six inches, seven or eight china ornaments, some napkins, two table-cloths, a table-cover, several plated table-spoons and tea-spoons, wine-glasses, a roasting-jack, coffee-pot, a tea-caddy and scrubbing-brush, cream-pan, cannister, some lard, a mortar, snuffers, jack-towel, pinnafore, a hammer, a scarlet apron, gardener's knife, and brass padlock, worth about 30l. altogether - there was no appearance of force having been used to the outside of the house - I cannot say whether I lost any zinc, or red powder, or resin; I have since seen several of the articles - I had seen many of the things safe the night before the robbery - the counting-house door was broken; the wood was cut away round the lock.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was Tyrrell in your service at this time? A. Yes, he has been with me a long time, off and on for above three years; a brother of his was my foreman; his name is Tyrrell; he is a very valuable servant; I would not have employed Tyrrell unless I had a good opinion of him, and I entertain the same opinion of him now; his brother is still in my service, and I believed the prisoner to have deserved my confidence up to the time this occurred - I had no reason to suspect him at all myself; he had opportunities of plundering me to a great extent, if so disposed; I always found him conduct himself well.

ANN HOWARD . I am single, and in the service of Mr. Keyzer. On the morning of the 12th of November, I came down stairs about seven o'clock, I found the street-door fastened as I had left it; the window was shut - I missed a dozen knives from the kitchen, and eight tea-spoons, three silver forks, four table-spoons, and several plated spoons, also a work-box of my own, some handkerchiefs, a veil, two shawls, a petticoat, they were all my property; the other articles belong to Mr. Keyzer - I missed one shirt, two aprons, a needle-case, and a ball of ferret, which were mine; I have seen them since in the hands of the policeman - the work-box, the knives, handkerchiefs, the shawl, two table-cloths, and several other things; a sugarchest, petticoat, a shawl, a veil, a needle-case, and ball of ferret - I saw all the goods which I mention as mine.

WILLIAM CHILDS . I occupy a house No 14, Brewer-street, Clerkenwell. I have been there two years nearly; I know Coverdale; he was allowed to sleep in the same house as I had known him a long time, and he could not pay for a lodging - Foster also slept in the house for about two months, as near as I can say - Coverdale occupied the front-room first-floor when he was there, and Foster the back top-room - I was only put in to take care of the house - On Tuesday, the 12th of November, I came home to dinner between twelve and one o'clock in the afternoon - I found on the table a table-cloth and some other things underneath it, but what they were I cannot say - Coverdale was there, and he said it was a few things he had brought from his sister's, and asked my permission, that they should remain there, and I agreed - on the following Friday, the 15th, I found a policeman at my house, and I was taken into custody - I had not observed what was contained in the table-cloth between the 12th and 15th - I had not been into Foster's room - I had seen Tyrrell at the house two or three times, but not at the present time; he used to come to see Coverdale or Foster; he was acquainted with both of them - on the 15th of November I was put into the New Prison, and found Foster and Coverdale there; directly I went in they spoke to me, and two or three days afterwards, or the next day, I asked Foster and Coverdale how they came to bring me into such a mess as that - they said, they never should have thought of doing anything of the kind, if it had not been for Tyrrell - they said they should not have known anything about it, if it had not been for Tyrrell - they both said he told them there was a gold watch, and several other things there; both of them spoke - they both sanctioned it; Coverdale, I believe, told me, but both told me - Coverdale said, they never should have thought of going to the place at all if it had not been for Tyrrell; and that he said, there was a gold watch and a great deal of property there; and Coverdale said he left the window open on purpose for them to go in, but the boy shut the window, and did not fasten it, and by that means they got in - they both said, they got in through the window, and they said all the money they had was 4l. 17s.; that it was reported they had a great deal - they did not tell me what were the other things they got - I was kept in prison till the Wednesday morning; I told what I had heard, and was let out as a witness - I do not know that all the stolen things were in my house; I did not see more than I have told - I had no share in it.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. You do not know what stolen goods are, I suppose? A. No; I do not - I was never in custody before - I was trusted to take care of the house; I had permission from the gentleman it belonged to to let one person in, and the other was only there at different times, when he had no money to pay for his lodging - I am a labouring man; bricklaying was the last job I did; I did that the very day I was taken, for Mr. Cockerton, who keeps the oil-shop at the corner of Islington church-yard; I was plaistering up a ceiling - I had a job for Mr. Thompson, up at Paddington - he belongs to the playhouse in Little Church-street, Portman Market - I should have gone to Cockerton's that night, if I had not been stopped, and have not been out of work for some months, except for a day or so - at Paddington I begun work at six o'clock, and was done at eleven - I do not work for any body else, but on my own account - I worked for Mr. Edhall, Bunhill-row, in digging foundations, and pulling down old buildings - I was bred up a labouring man - I was a witness here a night or two ago, against another man; some goods in that case got into my house, which turned out to be stolen; I knew nothing about them; I never asked them where they got them - I had no lodger at all but the two persons I speak off, besides my own family - they used to say they were bakers, and used

to job where they could - I did not make it my business to inquire where the things came from; if I had thought they came from anywhere wrong I should have inquired; he said he brought them from his sister's.

Q. How much? A. None at all - nothing; you mean, did they give me any money; you did not ask me the question, but you might as well.

Cross-examined by MR. LEE. Q. What was your reason for permitting those two men to lodge there? A. I had known Coverdale for ten or twelve years, and Foster being a friend of his, it was in consequence of the extreme poverty of Coverdale, that I allowed him to lodge at the house; and Foster being his friend; I saw but very little of the property; I slept at No. 14, Brewer-street, on the 12th of November; it was twelve o'clock when I got home from Paddington; I swear I slept at this house the night the robbery was committed - I went to bed between twelve and one o'clock; it was not a little later; I suppose the prosecutor's house is about two miles from my house; on my oath, I went to bed between twelve and one o'clock on the 12th of November; Mrs. Childs slept with me that night; she is my wife - she was examined here last Monday on another robbery - I slept that night with her at No. 14, Brewer-street, and for a fortnight before; a little boy slept in that bed too.

Q. On your solemn oath, I ask you whether, on the 12th of November, you did not sleep from your home, and if Coverdale did not sleep with your wife? A. I am sure he did not; that I will swear - not on that night, or any other night after twelve o'clock - I know nothing about what was done when I was not at home - I have not come here to give evidence to save myself - I was not told to split for the purpose of saving my wife and family - I was not told by anybody to make the statement I have here to night, for the purpose of saving my wife and children - my wife and children have nothing to do with it - Campbell the police-officer came to the prison while I was in there, and asked, if I knew any thing about it, and I told him I did not, and that is true; I did not know it then; I knew that they had brought things to my house, but I did not know how many, nor questioned them to know what they brought them for; Campbell told me nothing about them; he asked, if I knew anything about them, and I told him no; I had seen the table-cloth and two or three other things; I now know they were part of the things stated by Campbell, to be part of what was stolen from the prosecutor's; but I did not know it then; without a doubt Campbell was inquiring about the very things found at my house - I knew nothing of the robbery then; they had got the things away - I told him I knew nothing about it, further than what he saw; and that was true - I did not know at that time that there were things of that description at my house; I knew the table-cloth was there - I had not seen the glass there; the table-cloth was the largest thing I saw in that house.

Q. You have spoken of a conversation between Coverdale and Foster; on your solemn oath, during that entire conversation, was a word said by Foster in that conversation? A. There was; he stated it as well as Coverdale; not only once, but more than once; Foster said that Tyrrell left open the window for them to go in; both told me so at different times, and one said, "Yes, did not he;" one told me the story, and the one who was telling me, said, "Did not he so;""Was not it so;" and the other said, "Yes;" both told me the story at different times; I worked for Mr. Cockerton, No. 1, Rufford's-row, High-street, Islington, last; and for Mr. Redhall before; and Mr. Field; I could tell you for the last sixteen years who I did work for; I said, I worked for Mr. Thompson, at Paddington - I worked for Mr. Field, as much as a month ago, I dare say; last Monday was the first time I was ever in court in my life; in this court or any other - I was never at the police-office on any charge, except the one you are speaking of - I was never in charge about a Jew's house that was robbed; my wife was not in custody for that; I was never taken on any charge before this one, and never in my life at a police-office; I got no share at all; that I will swear - my wife got nothing that I know of; she never told me what Coverdale gave her; not on this case; she had a gown that was here the other night - I saw her wear the gown - I knew it was stolen after she had worn it.

WILLIAM JAMIESON . I am street-keeper, and live at No. 6, Clarendon-street, Camden-town; on the morning of the 15th of November, I was on the watch and saw Foster and Coverdale in the neighbourhood of Brewer-street; Deyken, I, and Price followed them about a mile - when they came nearly half-a-mile, they got to high words, as if they had fallen out, and were in the act of parting, when I took Foster in custody - Deyken took Coverdale - we took them to the station house, in Rosoman-street, Clerkenwell - I then had the assistance of a policeman - I searched Foster, found on him one sovereign, half-a-sovereign, one good half-crown, and one bad one, and five duplicates, and a knife and a small brass padlock - Mr. Keyzer claims the padlock - I asked Foster his name, he said Foster, and that he was lodging with his brother at Bermondsey - we then immediately went off with Baylis the policeman to No. 14, Brewer-street - I searched Foster's room there; the top back room, and found in it these articles which I produce - I did not go into any other room.

Cross-examined by MR. LEE. Q. What is your name A. Jamieson - the house I searched was Child's - I have no knowledge of its being Foster's room, except I understood it was - his wife, who I found in the room, said she was his wife - I only know what I have been told - I never saw Childs till this happened - I found this padlock on Foster and found the money on him - it is a common padlock.

RICHARD DEYKEN . I am a constable and live at No. 22, Grenville-street, Somers-town - I apprehended Coverdale, and found on him a pair of scizzors, 6s. in money, 2 half-crowns, and a shilling, and a gardener's knife - I afterwards went to No. 14, Brewer-street - Baylis was in my company; when we went to the house I suspected the property might be in we asked; if Smith lived there, and were told he was just gone out - I

found a quantity of things in the first floor front room; Baylis took them away.

MR. LEE. Q. You did not search Foster? A. No.

RICHARD BAYLIS. I am a policeman G. 5. I live at No. 56, Whiskin-street, Clerkenwell. I produce a quantity of articles, which I found in the two first-floor, front rooms; I cannot say which room I found each article in; they both belonged to Child's; I found four plated table-spoons, four plated tea-spoons, two table-cloths, a scarlet apron, canister, a bladder of lard, a cream strainer, five knives and three forks - I found them in the first floor front rooms; three handkerchiefs, a black veil, work box, roasting jack, four wine glasses, a violin case, two bows, five packets of nails, four plated table-spoons, and one plated tea-spoon; I found some articles in both the front rooms first floor, and the remaining articles, beginning with the roasting jack, in the upper room; I found some keys in the upper room; a key which I found in the upper room fitted the prosecutor's yard gate - here is the lock; I found another key which fitted the lock of the workshop door - both the keys were found in the upper room, with the roasting jack and other things.

MARY CHILDS. I am the wife of the witness Childs. I saw the prisoner Tyrrell at my house on a Monday - I cannot say the day of the month - I think it was on the Monday before I was examined at the police-office - it was on the Monday night before Mr. Keyzer's robbery - he came to Coverdale and Foster, who were at home - he saw them and was there about half-an-hour; he had been to visit them before, often at different times - I think he went away alone - I saw Coverdale the following morning - he did not sleep at home that night - I received some things from Coverdale next day - I did not see them opened - there was a few handkerchiefs, and I think an apron, a bladder of lard, and a tin canister; the lard was in a tin screen; there was two table-cloths, and knives and forks - I think five, and four plated table-spoons, and I think the same quantity of tea-spoons - he merely gave them to me or put them on the table, and desired me to take care of them for a day or two - I put the spoons and forks in my bed room, in a drawer by themselves - my bed room is the adjoining room to where Coverdale slept - he had one front room, and I occupied one front room and a back room - those articles were afterwards found on the premises - I had received them from Coverdale.

Cross-examined by MR. LEE. Q. I think I examined you a few nights ago? A. Yes, and I told you then I did not examine that bundle; I never saw the contents - the property in the other case came in a basket - I could not be off seeing these table-spoons, and tea-spoons because I put them in my drawer; I did not see the bundle open, but the things were afterwards given to me; I cannot say whether this was the night of the 12th of November; I think it was on a Tuesday, my husband slept at home; on the night before the 12th of November - he slept at home, for months; he went to bed between twelve and one o'clock that night; he walks from here to Paddington to earn a shilling, and returns home every night before twelve o'clock; he slept at home that night and got up in the morning between five and six o'clock to the best of my knowledge - I slept in the same room; I always do; Coverdale's room is the next room to mine.

Q. You mean to swear he was not out on the night of the 12th of November? A. I won't swear to the day of the month; yes, I could do so; he never slept from home one night, nor was he out till between two and three o'clock in the morning; not for some months, he was never out later than twelve o'clock; the articles were brought to our house between six and seven o'clock in the morning I think; that was not before my husband had left for his work; he leaves a little before six o'clock; the things were brought I think about seven o'clock; I did not shew him the things that had been brought; I saw but very few of them, or I might have had suspicion; I am not to ask my lodgers, how they come by things.

ROBERT PRICE . I lodge at No. 5, Charles-mews, Drummond-street. I drove a cabriolet, No. 1331, at that time; I was applied to on the morning of the 12th of November, in Tottenham-court-road, by Coverdale, about a quarter after five o'clock; he came up and asked me to go and take up in the New-road; I stopped first in Tottenham-court-road to take something to drink with him; he told me to turn to the left, I pulled up at the Adam and Eve, down a turning, he asked me to wait there; I remained there nearly ten minutes, when he came back, got in, and told me to go to the New-road, and at the corner of Southampton-street; he told me to stop; three men came with a parcel of things, and put them into the cab; a tall person got in and told me to drive to the Angel at Islington; I was going to pull up there, he said, "Go to the right;" I was going down St. John-street; he said, "No, to the right there," I drove down Goswell-street-road, and came up to Coverdale and another, who asked where I had been - (but before that my traces had broken off, and another cab passed mine;) while I was stopping in Goswell-street, Coverdale said, "Where have you been," I said, "My trace broke, and I stopped to mend it; he said, "Well come on here;" I went on to the corner of Rawstorne-street, he told me to turn round, and I drove to Brewer-street, and Coverdale, and him, and another man took the things out of the cab, and took them into the house; I know the prosecutor's house; I received the things at the corner of Southampton-street, fifteen or twenty yards from the prosecutor's house; I there saw Coverdale and two others; I don't know either of the others; I did not see the other men's faccs; I have never sworn that I did know the persons of the others except Coverdale - this deposition is my hand-writing; it was read over to me before I signed it, but I am rather hard of hearing, sometimes I don't hear - when I got to Tottenham-court-road I saw Coverdale there alone; as we came along, two persons were there Coverdale and another; and they said, "Don't go so fast;" I don't know who the other was; I swear I did not know which of them it was; I have no recollection except of Coverdale; I don't recollect seeing the other prisoners, except at Hatton-garden; I know there were three men followed the cab to Brewer-street; I am not positive there was not four - the first thing they took out of the cab looked like a frame,

like a looking-glass; it was outside the flap, on the knee boot, and there was a fiddle-case, and two or three things like a sack; this was about five o'clock in the morning, nearer six o'clock; it was dark.

SAMPSON DARKIN CAMPBELL (policeman E 14). I live at No. 9, Frances-street, Tottenham-court-road. I apprehended Tyrrell at the premises of Mr. Keyzer in the New-road; I afterwards went to No. 12, Pear-tree-street, Clerkenwell, and got there a quantity of perforated zinc, solder cassia, colouring, and rosin; they are the subject of another indictment - I asked Tyrrell if he knew Childs, he said, he did; I asked if he knew a man named Foster, he said, he did not - he denied all knowledge of a person named Coverdale - I asked him when he had been at Child's, he said, he had not seen any of that party for some months.

WILLIAM KEYZER. (looking at the goods found by Baylis, at Brewer-street). I know all these things are mine, except the handkerchiefs, the veil, shawl, work-box, and knife, which belong to my servant - I have seen them all and know them.

ANN HOWARD . I know these things; all this lot are mine.

RICHARD BAYLIS . These were found in the two front rooms.

Tyrrell's Defence. I am innocent; I know nothing about it.

Foster's Defence. I know nothing about the robbery.

WILLIAM KEYZER. I had a padlock similar to the one found on Foster - I will not swear to it, it is a common one - I cannot say whether when I came down in the morning the window was fastened or not - one key opens my shop-door which leads to the counting-house- I cannot identify the property found at Tyrrell's lodging.




28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-5

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5. HENRY EAMES was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of James Flack , on the 21st of October , at St. Dunstan, Stebonheath, alias Stepney, and stealing therein, 1 watch, value 25l.; 1 gold-chain, value 7l.; 3 seals, value 3l.; 1 watch-key, value 7s.; 1 guard, value, 2s.; 2 gold ear-drops, value 7s.; 1 guinea; 1 sovereign; 1 crown; 1 half-crown; his property; and that before the said felony was committed, to wit, at the delivery of the King's gaol of Newgate, holden for the country of Middlesex, at the Justice Hall, in the Old Bailey, on the 29th of November, 1832, he was convicted of felony .

MR. CLARKSON conducted the prosecution.

JAMES FLACK. I keep the Maid and Magpie, public-house, Wellington-place, Stepney , it is my dwelling-house. My health is not very good, and Mr. and Mrs. George manage my business - I went from home about ten o'clock in the morning of the 20th of October; I have a wooden chest in which I keep money and securities; it always stood at the further side of my bed, but when I went out I pushed it under the bed, and did so on this morning; it was locked, and I had the key in my pocket - I always locked my bed-room door and hung the key up in the parlour behind the bar - I had in the chest a £50 bank note, two of £20, a Neapolitan bond to secure £150, and in one bag was 2l. 8s. 2d. belonged to a club, it was in gold, silver, and halfpence; and in another bag was some money with a crown piece, and two Queen Anne's half-crowns, and there was an old guinea, and a gold watch, three gold seals, a gold key, and chain, and a watch-guard, and a gold chain, a pair of ear-drops, and a parcel of books - the ear-drops were cornelian set in gold - I saw all the things safe in the chest that very morning - I returned home between twelve and one o'clock on the Monday night; I found my room door broken open, and the chest broken open, and all the property in it gone, and on the Tuesday at Lambeth-street I saw the ear-drops, the guinea, crown, and half-crown, the gold watch, and chain, and seals, and a ring, and a variety off articles.

WILLIAM GEORGE . I and my wife take care of the house, and mind the business of Mr. Flack - he left home on Sunday, the 20th of October; I was at home next day, Monday - I was serving in the bar almost all the evening, and saw the prisoner enter the house about half-past eight o'clock on the Monday evening; he had been a customer there since Whitsuntide - I saw him several times that evening; I saw him a little before eleven o'clock, standing at the foot of the stairs, leading up to the bed-room - I have got a pot-boy; he is not here - he made a communication to me a little before twelve o'clock; shortly after I had seen the prisoner the last time, and I then went up to the bed-room, found the door unlocked, with the bolt shoved back again; it appeared to have been unlocked by some false key - I did not myself know where the chest was kept - I found it standing against the foot-post of the bed on the further side from the door, it was open, and the lid leaning against the foot of the bed; it had been forced open, a piece which had been forced from the lid laid on the bed, and great violence had been used - I went down immediately, and when I got to the bar-parlour the key of the bed-room was in its usual place.

SUSANNAH GEORGE . I am the wife of William George , I went into Mr. Flack's bed-room; on Monday the 21st of October I was there about half-past seven o'clock - I unlocked the door with the key, the bed-room appeared then as usual; I locked the room-door and put the key in the bar-parlour.

FRANCIS CLARK . I am a policeman. I live at No. 71, Philip-street, St. George's in the East; I know the prisoner; I had lent him 2s. - I met him on the evening of Monday the 21st, about twelve o'clock, in the Commercial-road, where I was on duty, nearly half a mile from the prosecutor's; he paid me one of the shillings he owed me, and after that as he parted with me he pulled a watch from his fob to see the time; it was a quarter after twelve o'clock; the watch had a chain and seals to it - his sister lives on my beat in George-street, Bedford-square; her name is Harrington - after parting with him, I was near his sister's house, and saw two policemen - a pot-boy informed me of the robbery, and I proceeded in search of the prisoner - I took him at the corner of Brown Bear-alley, East Smithfield, near upon four o'clock the same morning; he was coming out of a brothel in

the alley - I noticed his dress; he had changed his coat since I had met him before - when I took him, I said,"You are my prisoner;" he said, "Why" - I said,"Concerning a robbery which has taken place at the Magpie" - I did not say it would be better or worse for him to confess - he made me an offer of enough money to keep me for two years if I would let him go, and likewise said he would go out of the country as he was going to Woolwich - I knew him, he is a journeyman blacksmith; I don't know where he works - I declined the offer and took him to the watch-house, and from his fob we took the watch chain and seals; the other officer has them - (looking at them) - it appeared to be the same watch and chain as I had seen him with when he paid me the shilling - I afterwards attended at his sister's house, Mrs. Harrington's, in Brown Bear-alley; she is married; her husband lives there; it is the house, I had seen him come out of - the house was searched and a coat found there, which was the coat I had seen him in in the early part of the evening; I am certain - it was given up to him at the office - on the dresser in Harrington's house was found two chisels, and I found a pair of ear-rings and a ring, in a tobacco-box in the pocket of the coat which I had seen him in when I met him.

Prisoner. The policemen said, if I would give them 5l. a-piece, they would let me go.

CLARK. I did not; he offered me as much as 200l. to keep me two years, to let him go.

Prisoner. Q. Did you not say, "Harry, if you have got 10l. in your possession you may go;" I said, "I have not, for the notes are at Harrington's?" A. I deny it.

JOHN ASHER . I am a policeman. I was at the watch-house when the prisoner was searched; I took the watch from him myself, and produce it; it has a chain, three seals, a key, and guard - I know the house in Brown Bear-alley - I took him in custody that night; I saw him come out of that house about four o'clock in the morning, and took him - I found a coat in the house, and the ear-drops, ring, and tobacco-box, in the pocket; the tobacco-box was given up to him by order of the Magistrate - I found these two chisels on the dresser - I went to the Maid and Magpie about seven o'clock that morning, and applied the chisels to the box; here is part of the beading of the box here; this chisel corresponds with it - I have applied it to the marks and they corresponded - I believe them to have been made with this chisel - there are several marks, and they are all about the size - I did not ask him for 5l.; I said, "Harry, what have you done" - he said,"I don't know, let me go and I will give you enough to live on for two years" - I said, "I am on duty, and should do my duty."

ROBERT THROP . I am a policeman. I assisted in searching the house, and searched the prisoner; I found in his breeches pocket, a crown, a half-crown, a sovereign, a guinea, and 9s. 6d. in silver, one penny-piece, and a duplicate.

JAMES FLACK. This watch, chain, seals, and guard, are mine; the ear-drops are mine; the ring is mine; this Queen Anne's half-crown, I believe to be mine; it has a C on the head; I have had it for forty years, and so I have had this crown-piece forty years; it is a William III; there is no particular mark on that; I lost such a one - I lost a guinea; this is one of George III.

GEORGE ELLIS . I belong to the Thames-police. I know the prisoner - I produce a certificate of the conviction of Henry Eames - I was present at the trial, and am positive the prisoner is the same person (read).

The prisoner made no defence.

GUILTY - DEATH . Aged 29.

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-6

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6. HENRY JONES was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Richard Attenborough and another, on the 31st of October , at St. Leonard, Shoreditch , and stealing therein 2 medals, value 26s.; 1 ring, value 15s.; 2 snaps, value 3s.; and 1 buckle, value 18d., their property .

SAMUEL ROSE . I live at No. 136, Shoreditch. On the morning of the 31st of October, about eight o'clock- I saw the prisoner opposite Mr. Attenborough's shop, which is opposite my house in the parish of St. Leonard, Shoreditch - I saw him standing there about twenty minutes, and then he took his cap in his hand, and thrust it through the window, and with his own hand took something out; he broke the glass of the window, and his own hand was put through the window - he took a medal and several other things out - he ran away; a witness came out of Mr. Attenborough's shop, and stopped him in my presence, and brought him back to the shop.

HENRY WILDING . I am shopman to Mr. Richard Attenborough , who has one partner named Alexander Innis Burges . They keep a shop at No. 110, High-street, Shoreditch, and are pawnbrokers and silversmiths. On the morning of the 31st of October, I was in the shop, and heard the breaking of glass; I ran out and followed the prisoner, and took him about two doors off - I took him back to the shop window, and as I took him along, I observed a metal button in his hand, and on the pavement I observed two medals, a ring, and two snaps - I had seen those articles in the shop the night before in the window; they are here - the prisoner appeared to me to be feigning intoxication; I did not think him really intoxicated - these are the things I saw on the pavement; I know them to belong to Mr. Attenborough, by private marks on them.

SAMUEL WALLER . I am an assistant to Attenborough and Co. On the morning in question, I was in the shop, and heard a noise at the window, and saw the prisoner take something out of the window - I saw him afterwards secured and brought back; I picked up two buckles, a ring, and two snaps off the pavement, about half a yard from the shop; I delivered them all to a policeman - the prisoner was sober in my judgment.

GEORGE AVERY (policeman 175 G.). On the morning of the 31st of October, I received the prisoner in custody. I received the articles produced from Waller; I took the prisoner to the station-house, and on the road I neither threatened nor made him any promise - he said he was out of work, and had done it on purpose to be sent out of the country.

Prisoner. I tried to enter on board a king's ship; they would not take me because I was too short, and I did it on purpose - I won't go in the merchant service any longer, for I may go for thirty years, and not get a pension, and I won't go in the merchant service any longer, and I won't starve, and I won't beg.

GUILTY - DEATH . Aged 19.

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-7
VerdictsGuilty; Guilty; Guilty; Not Guilty; Not Guilty
SentencesDeath; Death; Death

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7. GEORGE BENNETT . GEORGE DYBELL , and JOSEPH BAKER , were indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of John Jeallous Brimmer , on the 14th of November , at St. Pancras, and stealing therein 1 hat, value 5s.; 2 coats, value 30s.; 1 of pair shoes, value 2s.; 9 pairs of stockings, value 12s; 7 keys, value 7s.; 2 pelisses, value 17s.; 1 spoon, value 5s.; 2 brushes, value 1s., his goods - 1 tea-pot and stand, value 10l.; 1 milk-ewer, value 30s.; 8 spoons, value 5l.; 2 forks, value 1l.; 3 table-cloths, value 7s.; 9 yards of Holland, value 9s.; six towels, value 5s.; eight sheets, value 9s.; 1 book, value 2s.; 4 knives, value 2s., and 1 spoon, value 2d., the goods of Charlotte Jane Weston - 1 pair of stays, value 4s.; 2 pairs of stockings, value 2s.; 1 pair of gloves, value 1s.; and 1 shawl, value 3s.; the goods of Elizabeth Harris , and 2 gowns, value 15s., and 2 petticoats, value 5s., the goods of Emma Clark , in the said dwelling-house - and CORNELIA DICKINSON was indicted for feloniously receiving, on the same day, at the same parish, 2 stockings, value 6d., the goods of John Jeallous Brimmer, part of the goods, so as aforesaid feloniously stolen - well knowing the same to have been feloniously stolen , against the statute, &c., and BRITTANIA TURNER was indicted for feloniously receiving, on the same day, at the same parish, 1 book, value 2s., and 1 piece of Holland, value 1s., the goods of Charlotte Jane Weston, part of the said goods, so as aforesaid feloniously stolen, and well knowing the same to have been feloniously stolen , against the statute, &c.

JOHN JEALLOUS BRIMMER . I am a printer , and live at No. 1, Mornington-place, Hampstead-road, in the parish of St. Pancras . On the 14th of November I went to bed at eleven o'clock at night; two of the servants retired at the same time and the other had gone to bed previously - the house was secure in all respects - I am the leaseholder and occupy it as my dwelling-house; next morning, in consequence of information, I went down to see the state of the house, and found the back door ajar, apparently having been opened by a skeleton key; it had been locked over night - this was at seven o'clock in the morning; there were no marks of violence on it - there were marks of footsteps in the garden, and of scrambling over the wall - on examining my house I missed a considerable quantity of property; some of my own, and other property belonging to other persons - I missed property from the rooms on the parlour floor, and property out of the kitchen - Mrs. Weston lodges with me; she uses the kitchen and first floor, one room on the second floor, and one attic - I have a servant named Elizabeth Harris - Mrs, Weston has a servant named Emma Clark - I lost a hat, two coats, a pair of shoes, two children's pelisses, one silver spoon, two brushes, nine pairs of stockings, seven keys, and one pack of playing cards - I have since seen the seven keys, the cards, two brushes, and about five pairs of stockings - I saw the pack of cards taken from the pocket of the prisoner Bennett, about half-past two o'clock on Saturday, the 16th of November; the robbery being on the Thursday night or Friday morning; and four of the keys were taken from his waistcoat pocket - I have seen the brushes since, also the knives and forks, but they are not my property - I was present at the apprehension of Bennett, at a house called Grote's house, in St. Giles's- I heard Bennett say the keys belonged to his boxes - I asked him where his boxes were; he said, at his lodging - there was no box at his lodging - I found two stockings lying on the mantle-piece of the house - Cornelia Dickinson was present; they were women's stockings, and Cornelia Dickinson claimed them; they are my property - the value of the property I lost altogether is 4l. the stockings were valued at 6d. - I got some information from a person named Parsons.

Cross-examined by MR. STAMMERS. Q. Your house is in the parish of St. Pancras. A. Yes; I know that by paying rates; the parochial rates are headed with the name of the parish, and the notices too - I went to bed about eleven o'clock; I left nobody up; the two servants followed me up the stairs - they are not both my servants; there are three servants in the house; my maid was gone to bed - Mrs. Weston's two servants followed me up-stairs - I did not go into my servant's bed-room; but I know every body was gone up-stairs - I have no means of knowing it except that the house was quiet; I did not go into the rooms of any of the servants to see that they were there - the door at which the entry was made had been locked for three weeks preceding, and the key hung up in the back parlour - I had not tried that door, to see if it was locked, for perhaps three weeks - I had not gone to the door that evening, to see if it was locked - the key hung up in the back parlour; six members of my family had access to that key - every person in the house had not access to it; my servant had access to it, not the others - my parlour door was not always locked - the servant as well as I might have got to that key - that door was the only part of the house that was opened; the other part was safe - I said the back door was a-jar; it appeared to have been opened by skeleton keys; that was the officers opinion; in my own opinion it must have been a key; I do not know what sort of a key - it was certainly not opened by a common key - when I said it had been opened by a skeleton key, I spoke from my own observations, as well as from others, it being more probable than any other kind of key to open a locked door; the common key belonging to the door was again in the parlour in the morning - I saw no marks of violence; I did not examine the door particularly - I have a lodger in my house of the name of Weston; she is a widow - neither of my servants are married women - a pack of cards were taken from Bennett, and I instantly recognized them to be mine - I said to him immediately, "I am glad to see these, as I know we are on the right scent" - I searched Bennett's lodgings with the officer; they are at Grote's

house, in St. Giles's - I cannot say he has no other place of residence - I do not know whether he had any boxes anywhere else.

ELIZABETH HARRIS . I am in the service of Mr. Brimmer; on the morning of the 15th of November, when I went down stairs, I found the back door a-jar; it was about seven o'clock; I observed that door overnight, it was shut and locked then - I had bolted the doors about eleven o'clock, and I saw this door was locked then; I observed that it was locked; when I found the door open, I directly went up stairs and told master; I had some things in the back kitchen overnight; there was one pair of black stockings, and one pair of white, and a pair of gloves; a pair of stays, and a shawl; I saw them there overnight - they were gone in the morning; I have since seen the shawl, the gloves, and a pair of stockings; the pawnbroker has my shawl, the policeman has my gloves and stockings; I missed from the other kitchen, some plate of Mrs. Weston's - a silver tea-pot and stand, a silver milk jug, and silver forks and spoons; I had seen the plate in the kitchen overnight - I did not see the footmarks in the garden.

Cross-examined. Q. Whose servant did you say you are? A. Mr. Brimmer's; I am not married; in the morning I found the back door a-jar - I know it was locked overnight; I tried it before I went to bed; the door they got in at has bolts to it, but I did not bolt it; I only locked it - it had been locked for three weeks; during the whole three weeks, it had not been unlocked, I am quite sure; I did not say I locked the door that night - I said I tried it; I took particular notice of it next morning, it had the appearance of having been opened with a key.

EMMA CLARK . I am in the service of Mrs. Weston; she is here; I missed two gowns and three petticoats of my own out of the front kitchen - I missed a silver tea-pot and stand, a milk jug, and some forks and spoons, all silver, of mistress's property; I should know the spoons and other things if produced, - I have seen none of the silver since - I have seen one gown and one petticoat of mine at the pawnbroker's.

Cross-examined. Q. You are Mrs. Weston's servant? A. Yes; she is married; her husband is not living - her name is Charlotte Jane ; I perceived the state of the door in the morning; Elizabeth Harris was the first who went to the door, and she went to tell Mr. Brimmer; Mr. Brimmer did not say any thing to me or the other servants, on the subject of the door being open - he did not charge any of us with neglect; it appeared to have been opened with a key; there was no mark of violence on it - it had been kept shut three weeks; I had tried it several times in that time - I had gone to it to go through it, and found it locked - I did not go through it once in that time.

CHARLOTTE JANE WESTON . I am a widow . On the morning of the 15th of November, the servant called me, and I missed a silver tea-pot and stand, a cream jug, eight spoons, and some silver forks; the value of the plate I lost was about 20l. somebody told me so; it is above 10l., and I believe above 20l. - the servant said she missed some towels which were under her care, and some knives and forks, table-cloths and sheets - I missed nine yards of brown holland, one volume of Cowper's Poems, a metal spoon; some of the things were kept in the kitchen - the plate ought not to have been there, but it was left there; I lost an ironing-blanket - I have seen the books, table-cloths, holland, some knives, one towel, and the metal spoon - I do not recollect seeing the forks since - I can speak to three table-cloths, and the Poems, and the knives, and the brown holland.

GEORGE POWELL . (police-serjeant E. 10). I lodge at No. 19, Charlotte-street, Bloomsbury; on the 16th of November, I was at Grote's lodging-house, at the corner of Lawrence-lane, St Giles'. about half-past two or three o'clock in the afternoon, and apprehended Bennett and Dickinson - I found two stockings on the shelf which Dickinson said was her own, and one pack of cards, and four keys on Bennett's person, and three sovereigns and 16s. 1 1/2d. on his person; I asked Dickinson who the stockings belonged to, she said, they are mine, I said, "then you must go with me" - she did not at that time say where she got them - I took the cards from Bennett and four keys, three sovereigns and 16s. 1 1/2d. - Dickinson had nothing in her possession, but claimed the stockings.

Cross-examined. Q. This is a common pack of cards? A. Yes; they were not tied up; they were loose - this memorandum was not in the midst of them - I put it there because I should not lose it - it is a memorandum that was on Bennett's person - a new pack of cards would not be broken - they are common cards - these are the keys; Bennett said they belonged to his boxes - I asked him where his boxes were, he said, at his lodging - I have seen keys of that kind again and again - there is nothing particular about any of them - they are very plain keys.

COURT. Q. Here are two memorandums, did both come from Bennett? A. Yes; both came from his person.

THOMAS LINDERGREEN (police-constable S. 206). I lodge at No. 10, Gloster-terrace; Regents-park. I apprehended Dybell and Baker at another of Grote's lodging-houses, at the corner of Church-street, St. Giles' - Grote has several lodging-houses - it was not far from the other - just round the corner - I apprehended them about a quarter before eight o'clock, on Saturday evening the 16th of November - they were both in one room - I found on Baker a pair of stockings which have since been claimed by Mr. Brimmer - I found in the room where the prisoner's were, two brushes and a quantity of stockings; they were in different parts of the same room, also, two keys hid among some coals in the corner of the room - this key opens the back room door on Mr. Brimmer's parlour floor; I found three knives in the same room, a pair of scizzors, a metal spoon, two cloths which are claimed by Mrs. Weston, a pack of cards which are not claimed - in the back room on the same floor which was occupied by Dybell; Baker told me it was Dybell's room, and Dybell said it was his room as well - they were both present - Baker said, "the room where I found

this property was his room, and that the next room was Dybell's; Dybell said nothing at that moment, but afterwards he said, "Yes; I live there" - I found in that room this cloth several pairs of stockings, and this knife and fork - Baker said the room I apprehended him in was his room - Dybell had this pair of stockings on - I found five keys there one of which will open Mr. Brimmer's front street door - this latch key found in Dybell's room was claimed, and the knife and fork and some of the stockings.

Cross-examined. Q. These things were found at Grote's house? A. Yes; he has several lodging-houses in the neighbourhood - Bennett did not lodge at this house at all.

Dybell. I asked him what he wanted me for, he said, for house-breaking, I said, "I knew nothing about it."

THOMAS LINDERGREEN . That is true; I did not ask them in the house where they lived - I asked them coming along - Baker, before I brought him out of the house owned to it being his room - he said he lived there; he said so before I left the room - Dybell said nothing before he left; it was going along to the station-house - I said to them, "I suppose you both live there together," and both of them said, "Yes."

Dybell. It is false; he never asked such a question.

THOMAS LINDERGREEN . It is true; I have witnesses to prove it.

Baker. I did not speak a word to him about the room Witness. He did; Dybell was at the station-house when I took the stockings from him and Baker; they both had a pair of stockings on at the station-house.

WILLIAM EDWARD RUMSEY . I am in the service of Mr. Howse, a pawnbroker, High-street, Bloomsbury, I produce a gown, petticoat, and shawl, pawned on Friday, the 15th of November, at nine o'clock in the morning; the same person pawned some brown holland at the same time, and other articles were pawned by another woman on the same day; it was neither of the prisoners; it was two females, not the prisoners; the brown holland has since been claimed; it measures six yards and three quarters.

FREDERICK PARSONS . I live at No. 18, Brighton-street, St. Pancras. On Friday, the 15th of November, I was at the Tottenham-street theatre, and sat next but one to Dybell and Baker, in the gallery; I heard Dybell say to a person who sat next to him, "We had a rare pull last night;" the other person said to him, "What was it; Dybell said, "a silver tea-pot and stand;" they said "What else," and he mentioned several other things, I did not understand what; but among other things, he said, a boy's great coat; the boy they were talking to asked them where it was; they said, "In Mornington-place," Baker sat next to Dybell and could hear what he said; they were both joining in the conversation - in consequence of hearing that, I went the next morning and gave information to Mr. Brimmer.

Dybell. Q. Did you hear me say so or was it Bennett? A. I heard you say so; you were talking to another boy.

Dybell. My Lord, he is a noted pickpocket about Tottenham-court-road; he brought Baker a pair of boots to sell for him once, which he had stolen.

COURT. Q. Were you ever apprehended on a charge of stealing? A. No, my Lord; I have never been in the House of Correction - I was never charged with any theft - I was never charged with picking a pocket - I am a ladies' shoemaker, and work for Mr. Smith, of Perry-terrace.

JOHN JEALLOUS BRIMMER. Parsons called on me and gave me information, and I sent for the police, and communicated to them what I heard from Parsons - the prisoners were apprehended in the course of that day, but I had other information besides from Parsons about Bennett; I know this pack of cards from old acquaintance; I have had them twenty years; I suppose my children had them to play with, and I have the remainder of the pack in my hands, they complete the pack; they have been used by my children for fortune-telling, and the remaining cards were kept away from them, and those I have here; the stockings found on the mantel-piece, I identify by their being odd, and I have the fellows; seven of the keys are mine, the four small keys found on Bennett, the latch key found in Dybell's room; this key is my parlour-door key; it was found in Baker's room; the stockings found on the feet of Dybell and Baker I claim (looking at those found on Dybell); I know them and have my daughter here who mended them; one of those found on Baker is mine, and my daughter can identify it - the other I believe to be mine.

Cross-examined. Q. Were not the two odd stockings claimed by Dickinson? A. Yes, those found on the mantel-piece; I have seen these cards in my house twenty years; I have not played with them for perhaps twenty years; my children have played with them - I cannot speak positively to twenty years; I should say I have had them from ten to twenty years; I cannot undertake to say I have played with them myself; I dare say I have never played with them, they are children's cards; I never played a round game which requires the whole pack; I don't say they are a full pack, because I have never counted them; there are fifty-two in a full pack; here are forty-one; it is not a full pack; I have printed too many cards not to know how many there are in a pack; I must be in error when I said there was a full pack; I had not counted them; I never meant to say the smaller quantity completed the pack; I will not say I did not say so.

AMELIA BRIMMER . I am the daughter of the prosecutor - I have looked over the cards; I have been in the habit of seeing them at my father's house as long as I can recollect; in my judgment these are the same; I know them from the number there are in them - the twos, threes, fours, and fives were withdrawn, except the three of clubs; the servants had done it to play a game called fortune's, that requires those cards to be taken out; the pack then was not full, but what was not among

them were up-stairs in the bed-room - I know the cards perfectly well from frequently using them and seeing them about; I am quite positive to them - I rather think the King of clubs is deficient; the Queen of hearts is not.

Cross-examined. Q. You see all kinds of cards at your father's house? A. No; my father is a card printer, but his business is not done at the house, but at No. 10, Frith-street, Soho; I go there perhaps once in three or six months, or not so often - I have not been in the office to see cards - I never saw such cards as these before in the course of my life; they are children's cards.

COURT. Q. Look at this card; had you observed whether any of them were cut? A. Yes; this Queen of hearts was notched in this way.

MR. STAMMERS. Q. It is cut with scizzors? A. Yes, and the young woman that did it is here - after the robbery, the few cards that have been produced, (the twos and threes) were left in my father's house; I never counted them - all the twos, threes, fours and fives were taken out, but the pack was not perfect.

Q. Did you not say you remembered the cards belonged to the others, because the twos, threes, fours and fives had been taken out for fortune-telling? A. Yes, I did, all except the three of clubs - I cannot say how many of each there are; I cannot tell how many of the twos I took out - I took out all that was in but the pack was imperfect.

JOHN JEALLOUS BRIMMER. The four keys found on Bennett are mine, and were taken out of my writing-desk- they belonged, one to a drawer under a large box, and another to another drawer; they were tried, and fitted the places; I am certain they are mine, and I lost them that night - they were tied together.

Bennett's Defence. I bought the cards - I picked up the keys.

Dybell's Defence. I was coming home from work between twelve and one o'clock, and met an Irish woman; she asked me to buy some articles - I said I would - in the mean time, Baker came up; I said, "We will buy them between us" - he said, "Very well" - we gave her 2s. 6d. for them; they are the things found at the lodging - I know nothing of the keys found in my room.

Baker's Defence. I was coming home from work on Friday, between twelve and one o'clock - Dybell stood talking to an Irish woman; he asked me if I wanted to buy the things - I said we would have them between us - we talked to the Irish woman about five minutes, and gave her 2s. 6d. for them; there were four or five pairs of stockings, and knives and brushes.

Dickinson's Defence (written). I most humbly and respectfully beg leave to state, that I am a pauper in the parish of St. Ann, Soho, and was farmed out at Islington; on the day mentioned in the indictment I was out, and called at George Bennett's, to see a person named Susan Miller, who lodges in the house. Bennett had a pair of white stockings in his hand, and my stockings being quite worn out, I requested him to give them to me, which he did. A short time after, the prosecutor and a policeman came in to search the house, and on their taking them I said they were mine, as I considered they were, after Bennett had given them to me. The order will prove I was not out at the time of the robbery, and I can with truth assure your lordship of my perfect innocence.

THOMAS LINDERGREEN re-examined. I found on Turner this apron; she wore it at the time I took her into custody - it was sworn to as part of the brown holland - I apprehended her in the New-road, and this volume of Cowper's Poems was found on her; it was about nine o'clock on Saturday evening; she was in company with another girl - I took her the same day as I took the other two.

MRS. WESTON. I cannot recognise the apron; one piece of holland is so much like another I cannot swear to it - this volume of Cowper's Poems is mine; here is the fellow volume.

Turner's Defence. Previous to the night named in the indictment, I met Susan Miller, who said she had bought a piece of brown holland to make aprons, and that if I would accept of a piece to make an apron, I might have it, which I did - I soon after met a lad in deep distress, and asked him if this book was his; he had it in his hand; he said, if I gave him a penny I should have it - I had no penny, but had a handkerchief in my hand; he said I should have it for that, and I gave it to him - I was in the road, and met a policeman, who asked my name, and took me in charge; I went without resistance - I was searched, and nothing was found on me, but the policeman found 7d.

THOMAS LINDERGREEN . I apprehended Turner in Euston-crescent, about a quarter of a mile from the prosecutor's.

CAROLINE DICKINSON . The prisoner Dickinson is my daughter. On the Wednesday I took her to the poor-house myself, and she remained there till the Saturday until half-past two o'clock - she was an inmate of the poor-house till Saturday morning.

George Jordan, currier, engine-pipe, and bucket-maker, of No, 22, Clarendon-place, Somers-town, and George Bishop , builder, of No. 13, Lancaster-street, Brunswick-square, gave the prisoner Bennett a good character.






28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-8
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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Second Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Recorder.

8. CHARLES BLUNDY was indicted for feloniously assaulting Edmund John Ventom , on the 28th of November , at St. John, at Hackney , putting him in fear, and taking from his person, and against his will, a watch, value 4l.; 3 seals, value 15s.; 1 key, value 2s.; and 1 steel chain, value 2s., the goods of Thomas Terah Ventom .

2nd COUNT, stating them to be the goods of Edmund John Ventom.

EDMUND JOHN VENTOM . I am the son of Thomas Terah Ventom , who lives in St. Thomas's-square, Hackney. On the 28th of November, I was returning from school at Down Terrace to Hackney; it was about ten minutes to one o'clock, in the day-time - I was not above eight yards from my own door, going home; I was in Bannister-alley - I had a piece of wire in my hand, looking at it, playing with it - the prisoner came up, and

struck me two blows in the face; and he threw me over his knee, and took my watch from my fob; it was a silver watch - he had his leg behind me when he threw me over his knee - he held me backwards, and took my watch from my fob - the blows were not very violent; they were enough to draw off my attention - after he took the watch from my fob, he let me fall on the ground, and ran away; I did not fall with any violence - I felt the watch go from me; I had a guard to it round my neck; it snapped asunder from the manner in which he pulled it - my mouth bled from one of the blows - I went to my father's door directly; I got up as quick as possible - I rang the side bell twice, and while I stood there I could see the prisoner making his way down Bannister-alley, as fast as he could - my father's gardener came to the door; before he came to the door the prisoner had turned the corner, and I lost sight of him - I told the gardener what had happened; he went in pursuit down Bannister-alley - I left the house with the maidservant, and not meeting the prisoner or the gardener, I came back again - when I returned the gardener had him in custody, in the garden - Arkill, the police-officer was sent for, and took him in charge, I saw my watch delivered to the constable by my mamma; she took it from a hook in the kitchen - it was a silver watch, worth about 4l.; my grandfather had given it to me - there was a steel chain to it, besides the guard, worth 1s., three seals, worth 15s., a key, and a gold ring; they were altogether - I saw his face when he had me over his knee - I did not see him come up to me - I am certain he is the man; I have not the least doubt of him; I am confident he is the man; if I had met him in the street I am sure I should have known him again.

JANE KENNEY . I am the wife of Thomas Kenney , who is gardener to Mr. Ventom. On the 28th of November, in the afternoon, I was going home to my own house; I pass Mr. Ventom's in the way; when I got to the corner of Bannister-alley, I saw young Mr. Ventom standing at the side gate; he appeared to be ringing the bell - I was just at the top of the alley, and I saw the prisoner running as fast as possible towards me; I was at the farther end of the alley - he was running in a direction from Mr. Ventom's towards me; he passed me, and was quite out of breath - he ran as fast as possible, and had a watch in his hand, I could see the seals through his fingers - I looked after him; he turned the corner to go to Mare-street - I turned round, and saw my husband come out of Mr. Ventom's gate, and in consequence of what I said to him, he ran up Mare-street - I followed, and saw the prisoner at the corner of Tryon's-place; my husband was following him - my husband put up his finger as a sign to me - I nodded to him, and he collared the prisoner, and asked me if that was the man who was running; I said, Yes, I would swear to him - my husband took from the prisoner's pocket a silver watch; before that he asked him where the watch was which he had robbed the young gentleman of - he said, "A watch, Sir, I have not" - my husband took him to Mr. Ventom's, and gave the watch to Mrs. Ventom - I went for a policeman, and brought Arkill there.

THOMAS KENNEY . I am the husband of Jane Kenney and gardener to Mr. Ventom; I apprehended the prisoner - my wife's statement is quite correct - I gave the watch to Mrs. Ventom - I had heard the side garden bell ring; the servant did not answer the first ring; I heard another ring; I then answered the bell; Master Ventom entered with his mouth bleeding, and gave me information, in consequence of which I ran down the alley, and met my wife at the end - in consequence of what she stated, I crossed Shore-place, and caught sight of the prisoner in a passage leading to Tryon's-place - I made up to him, supposing him to be the man - I walked by his side about ten yards, and saw something like a bulk of a watch in his waistcoat pocket - I turned round, made a sign to my wife, and still followed him - I asked him for the watch he had robbed the young gentleman of; he said,"Me! I have got no watch;" I took it from his waistcoat pocket - I led him back to the house, and gave the watch to my mistress, and held the prisoner till my wife brought the policeman, and I gave him in charge - I had him in the garden waiting till the policeman came - Mrs. Ventom delivered the watch in my presence to the officer; I swear it is the same.

WILLIAM ARKILL (policeman N 68). Mrs. Kenney came to me; I went to Mr. Ventom's and saw the prisoner there - I received a watch from Mrs. Ventom, and took charge of the prisoner - I searched the prisoner, and found this handkerchief, a card case, two keys, a knife, a screw-driver, 1s. 6d. in silver, and 7 1/2d. in copper on him; when he was given in my charge (after I searched him,) he asked the lady two or three times to forgive him, saying, it was the first offence he had committed, and hoped she would look over it; and he asked me what I thought would be the punishment of such a crime - he said his mother was a hard-working industrious woman, living in Bethnal-green - he appeared very much distressed at what had occurred, not hardened, but more timid - I took him to the station-house; he said it was the first offence he had committed, and wished to be forgiven.

EDMUND JOHN VENTOM re-examined. This is my watch which he took from me; it was given me to use; I was allowed to have it.

Prisoner's Defence. I was returning home, on Thursday afternoon; a man passed by me and dropped the watch; I picked it up and put it in my pocket - I got on a little way further, and a man stopped me, and told me to give back the watch, and he would let me go; and then he took me to Mr. Ventom's house, and gave me in charge of a policeman.

Jeremiah Charlton , of 19, Newcastle-street, Shoreditch, and Robert Watkinson , of Cream-place, Bethnal-green, gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY - DEATH . Aged 21.

MASTER VENTOM. My Lord; my Papa desires me to recommend him to mercy; I wish to do so for my father and myself, supposing it to be his first offence .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-9

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OLD COURT. Thursday, November 28, 1833.

First Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Sergeant Arabin.

9. ISABELLA EVERINGHAM was indicted for stealing on the 18th of November , 1 box, value 2s.; 24 coral beads, value 10s.; 1 sovereign; 2 half-crowns; 1 shilling; and 1 sixpence ; the property of George Davis - to which she pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 19. - Confined Six Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-10
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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Before Mr. Justice Littledale.

10. RICHARD VICKERS was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Peter Brown , on the 23rd of October , at St. Pancras, and stealing therein, 1 table-cloth, value 2s.; 3 pillow-cases, value 4s.; 3 towels, value 1s.; 4 aprons, value 2s.; and 1 pinafore, value 2s., his goods .

PETER BROWN. I keep a retail beer-house , and live in the parish of St. Pancras . There is a skittle-ground, adjoining my kitchen, on one side of the house - I saw the prisoner on my premises, on the 23rd of October; I saw him in the street, a little distance from my house, with another man; it was about two o'clock - I saw him again, a few minutes afterwards, with a bundle under his arm - he was going out of the yard into the street; I hallooed to him to stop, instead of which, he ran away; I immediately ran after him and caught sight of him, with another young man - I hallooed out, Stop thief; I pointed him out to a witness; he ran after him with me, and the prisoner dropped the bundle from under his left arm - I examined it; it contained three aprons, a tablecloth, and several articles, which are mine - there was a pillow-case; my witness took the prisoner in a lane - I did not see him taken - Burkboy followed him - the bundle was delivered to the policeman - I am quite positive it was the prisoner - I afterwards saw him in custody; the other man got away - the aprons had been washed on the Monday; this was Wednesday.

Prisoner. He says I dropped the things; it was the other man - who ran by me, and said, if you don't run you will be taken into custody, and then I ran.

PETER BROWN. I did not hear that said - I am certain the prisoner dropped the bundle, and not the other - I saw the prisoner going out of my yard with the bundle - I did not see him in my house.

WILLIAM BURKBOY . I am a journeyman baker - on Wednesday, the 23th of October, I was in Willow-walk, Kentish-town - Mr. Brown came out, and said, "Bill, run after those fellows," I did so - the prisoner was one of them - I secured him; I am sure it was him; when I first saw them they were both running along - I did not see that either of them had anything; they were sixty or seventy yards from Brown's premises when I first saw them; the other got away - I saw some linen lying in the road as I ran by.

Prisoner. He caught me a quarter of a mile from the house. Witness. I don't think it was so much.

HENRY BURTON . I am a constable. On the afternoon of the 23rd of October, I saw the prisoner about ten minutes after two o'clock - he was then in custody of Burkboy - I neither threatened nor made him any promise - I asked him if he had been in Mr. Brown's skittle-ground; he said, he had; I then said, "You have stolen some linen," he said, he met a man outside Mr. Brown's premises, who asked him to go and have a game at skittles; that he went in with the man who stole some linen from the kitchen - I said "you were both running away together," he said, "Yes, we were;" I searched him and found 15d. on him, in money; I have the linen here; I received it from Mr. Brown.

PETER BROWN. I deliverd the linen to the policeman, they are the things I mentioned before; a tablecloth, and towel, and other things, a pinafore, and 3 pillowcases, they were all in the bundle which I saw the prisoner drop; they are my property; the aprons I wear myself; and here is my child's pinafore; the table-cloth is what we had in use.

Prisoner's Defence. I was going through Kennington-lane, and met the young man, who asked me to play a game at skittles; he said, he was going to the kitchen-door, to ask for the skittle-ball; and while he was gone. I went to the water-closet; he came and knocked at the door, and said, "Richard, if you don't come along you will be taken into custody;" I came out with my trousers undone; he went on to the road, and then he said, "Here they come;" he chucked the things down, and ran on, and got a good deal before me - the witness Brown came up and said, Stop him! I turned up a lane: I stopped, and he caught me.

GUILTY. Aged 18. - Of stealing only . Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-11

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11. MARY NOON was indicted for stealing, on the 17th of October , at St. Martin-in-the-Fields, one £100 and 1 £5 bank note, the property of Joseph Pearce , in his dwelling-house .

JOSEPH PEARCE. I am a boot-maker , and live in New-street, in the parish of St. Martin-in-the-Fields ; I rent the house; the prisoner lived servant with me for six months, previous to the 15th of October; I drew £500 out of the bankers about the 4th; I received two £100, one £200, a £50, a £20, a £10, and four £5 notes; they were all Bank of England notes - I put the notes into a small box, which I produce; and placed that in a recess, in the partition, which parts my cellars, where nobody could see it - I saw it there on the 7th of October; I looked into it, and counted the notes, and so did my wife, and saw they were all safe - my family consists of myself, my wife, three young children at home, two shopmen, who lived in the house, and the prisoner - the cellar goes out of the kitchen, down a few steps; it is near the kitchen; it was not locked; any of the persons in the house could go into the cellar, but had no business in the part where the box was; they must get over the coals to get at it, but they could get to the place - I did not see the box from the 7th till the 17th of October, when I had occasion to put more money to it - I went to it about six o'clock in the evening, and took it out, and gave it to my wife, who was with me; she counted the money in my presence; it was wrapt up in a little

bag as I had left it - but a £100 and a £5 note were gone - the prisoner had left the service two days before this - the £100 note was No. 711, dated 12th December, 1832, and the £5 note No. 28050, dated August 14th, 1833- my wife took the numbers the moment the notes came into the house; she put them down as I read over the numbers; and I wrote my name and initials under the £100, at the bottom of the note, but it is torn off - I had marked the £5 note in the same place, and in the same way - the rest of the notes were safe in the box - the moment I missed them, I went in pursuit of the prisoner, to a lodging-house, which she had come from, to our house; I remained there until about twelve o'clock at night; she did not come there - I found her in custody; when I came home she was at the station-house; I saw her next morning, at Bow-street; she was taken before a magistrate, and remanded - I believe what she said was taken down in writing - I offered a reward for taking a woman which she had named, but I have not found her - I have seen the £100 note - I saw it next day, at Bow-street; the bank clerk, (Mr. Dyer,) produced it - I have not seen the £5 note - I stopped payment of it.

MARTHA PEARCE . I am the wife of Joseph Pearce. I saw all the notes safe on the 7th of October; my husband received them from Ransom's Bank, Pall Mall - he sometimes puts his money to one bankers, and sometimes to another.

JOSEPH PEARCE. I don't keep a banker myself - my wife received the £100 that was stolen; I received most of the others.

MARTHA PEARCE . I received the £100 note from Ransom's - I saw the box again on the 17th of October; my husband and I went to the cellar and took the box down and took it into the sitting-room, and then opened it and missed the £100 note, and the £5 note - the prisoner had lived nearly six months with me, and left on the 15th of Ocotber - my husband went out to look for her on the 17th. and while he was gone the prisoner came to our house for a band-box, about six o'clock, in the evening; or soon after, she came into the shop; I saw her, and charged her with robbing us of a £100, and a £5 note - she laughed at me, and said, "Indeed, I have not taken it" - I sent out for a policeman and had her taken to Bow-street station-house - the cellar was not locked, as she had access to it to draw water -(looking at a small book) this is my writing; here is an entry of the £100 note, being No. 711, dated the 12th of December, 1832 - I am sure that is a correct description of the note I received from Ransom's, and which was safe in the box on the 7th - I saw that note on the 18th at the Bank; I have not seen the £5 note.

GEORGE DYER. I am a clerk in the accountant's office at the Bank of England. I produce a £100 note, No. 711, dated the 12th of December, 1832; it was paid into the Bank on the 11th of October, from Smith, Payne and Co., among other notes amounting to £1795 - this is in my hand-writing; the note was cancelled after it came into the Bank; it was perfect before.

WILLIAM CLARK . I am in the employ of Halling, Pearce, and Stone, at Waterloo-house, Cockspur-street; I saw the prisoner there on the 10th or 11th of October; she came there as a customer; she bought some goods; I served her, they came to about 3l. - she gave me a £100 note; I inquired where she lived, and her name - she told me, "Mary Johnson, No. 12, Charles-street, Westminster" - (looking at the £100 note) this is the note; I have written on it "M. Johnson, 12, Charles-street, Westminster" - I have not the least doubt of this being the note she gave me - Smith, Payne and Co. are our bankers - I don't know what became of the note; I paid it to our cashier.

WILLIAM DAVIS . I am a policeman. I was sent for to take charge of the prisoner on the 17th of October - I took her to the station-house; I searched her, and found on her a bunch of keys, three pawnbroker's duplicates, one silver tea-spoon, a knife, and a snuff-box - I asked her if she knew anything of the note; she denied all knowledge of it - she told me she lived at No. 84, Wells-street, Oxford-street; I went and found she did not live there - I afterwards went to No. 54, Well-street,(I am sure she told me No. 84) - I went up-stairs to the attic and found this box - it was not locked; it contained some loose ribbons, and flannel, and linen - I tried the keys I found on her to the box, and one fits the lock; it was a very common lock - I shewed her the box on the Friday at Bow-street, and asked if it was her box; she said it was - the property in it was not claimed; she said nothing about it.

MARTHA PEARCE. While the prisoner was in our service she had not that box.

WILLIAM CLARK. I cannot identify these articles as having been sold to her; I sold her some linen, and there is some here - I had not seen her before that I am aware of - I am sure she is the woman who paid me the note - I saw her again on the 18th.

Prisoner's Defence. I did not take the money - I never saw the box Mr. Pearce described - I never saw any money in the house.

GUILTY . - Transported for Life .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-12
VerdictNot Guilty

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Before Mr. Justice Bosanquet.

12. EDWARD MOORE , CHARLES MOORE , and JOSEPH MOORE were indicted for stealing, on the 29th of October , 64lb of beef, value 20s.; 20lb of mutton, value 5s., and 30lb of raw fat, value 10s., the goods of James Ware ; and 3 smock-frocks, value 6s., and 1 apron, value 6d., the goods of William Poole .

WILLIAM POOLE . I am servant to James Ware, a butcher , who lives in Shoreditch . Things were frequently missed from the slaughter-house, which is at the back of the house, and I sifted some saw-dust over the slaughter-house loft; and on the 29th of October, about half-past four o'clock in the morning, master called me; I went into the slaughter-house to put on my smock-frock, and I missed three smock-frocks and an apron of my own, and some fat and mutton; and a crab of beef was moved and laid on a block in the slaughter-house - the crab is the ribs - I had seen my smock-frock and apron hanging on the nail the night before about ten o'clock, - they were safe then, and the meat and fat also, and the crab of beef was hanging up in the middle of the slaughter-house on a rack; it was moved on to the block, and there

was some marks of soot on it (I then went up into the loft; I had spread the saw-dust there a few days before, it might be a week, but nobody had been there - I had been in the loft about two days before) I went to the loft immediately I missed the things, and saw the sawdust removed and scattered about; and traced footsteps as if people had been moving about; it was not exactly footsteps - I went down and told master, and then fetched a policeman, who is here; I shewed him the place, and shewed him the beef - I went up to the loft; I then returned as I had to go out - I shewed the policeman the loft - I did not go into the prisoner's house - I have seen the frock and apron since, and know it - I saw the mutton and fat, and knew that it belonged to master.

DAVID HUDSON (policeman). On the 29th of October, I went to the prosecutor's house, about five o'clock in the morning; I went to the slaughter-house, and saw a piece of beef on the block under the loft; it was dirty, and appeared to have been carried; there were marks of soot on it; I then got up into the loft, and saw saw-dust strewed about the loft - I looked out of the loft window, and saw saw-dust and foot-marks on the tiles; I then told Avery of it - and we went and entered at the first street door, which is a sweep's; I saw the prisoner Charles Moore, lying on the first floor; I did not notice whether he was asleep or awake, he was the only person in that room; I found the door open - I found nothing there; I then went up stairs to a room over that Charles Moore was in, and there Avery went through a partition where the lath and plaster were broken down; it divided the room from a room in the next house; he there found a bundle - I saw him pick it up; I then returned down stairs, and Avery came down with another bundle afterwards; I came through the room Charles Moore was in, and came down stairs to the ground floor, and I saw Edward Moore and his family down stairs, all except Charles Moore; we then took the three prisoners into custody, and a little boy, who has been discharged; I and my brother officer, went back again and went up stairs, and saw a large hole through the ceiling and through the tiles of the top room, which was one story above where Charles Moore was; the tiles appeared to have been taken off, and put in between the ceiling and the tiling, so that anybody might get out of the hole and into the slaughter-house, by going along the tiling and down to the loft window over the slaughter-house; there was no other way by which the loft could be entered; the door of the next house was strongly nailed up; it is beyond the prisoner's house - the prisoner's house is next to the slaughter-house; there was no back door to the prisoner's house that I could see; I saw a hole covered with a piece of wood, in a cupboard on the second floor or the attic; I am not sure which; it was about six inches wide, and had a piece of string at one end; when that wood was taken out of the hole, I could see into the slaughter-house through the hole; I saw saw-dust on the top of the tiles, and traced foot-marks and saw-dust from the slaughter-house loft window, along the top of the tiles for about four yards, and there was saw-dust all over the gutter - I could not see whether it was the foot-marks of one or more persons.

Charles Moore. Q. When you pulled the door down, did I not shew you where the people had got in? A. You did not; I broke the door down; nobody could have got in there - there was a small place over the door, but it was impossible anybody could get through it.

GEORGE AVERY (police-constable). On the morning of the 29th of October, I went into the loft and saw some saw-dust spread about, and in the roof of the house was a trap-door; I looked through that, and saw the tracks of saw-dust on the parapet; I got out and traced the footsteps along the leaden gutter, to the roof of Moore's house, which was covered with tiles; I discovered, I suppose, about twenty tiles removed and placed inside the roof of Moore's house, they were under the roof inside; I returned to the slaughter-house, and saw a piece of beef on the block with several marks of soot on it, as if it had been rubbed against a person; I placed an officer at the outside door - and took Hudson to the first floor of Moore's house, and I went right up stairs, as the door where Edward Moore was sleeping, was fast; I saw Charles Moore sleeping on some straw in the first floor as I passed; I left my brother officer there with directions to allow nobody to go out, while I went to the second floor, which is next to the roof - and after searching for some time, about ten yards from where the hole was made through the roof, I found a smock-frock containing the fat, two other smock-frocks, a cloth, and an apron; a little distance from that, I found an apron containing necks and breasts of mutton; these were all in the room over the room Charles Moore was sleeping; I then went down, and Charles Moore was below in Edward's room; the three prisoners were together in that room; we took them into custody, and took them to the station-house; after locking them up, we went back, and I discovered in a recess in the room where Charles Moore was sleeping, this trap-door hanging by a string; it is a peep-hole made through the partition between their house and the prosecutor's slaughter-house; the wood hung by a string, and worked on a nail as a pivot, and by lifting it up, they could have a full view of the proceedings in Ware's slaughter-house.

Edward Moore. Q. Was not I in bed when you came? A. Yes; and you said you were innocent of it. Q. Did not I tell you I was a sweep by trade, and had been upwards of thirty miles beyond Waltham Abbey? A. I believe you did say so - I was not there at the first search - they had no furniture in the room they were sleeping in - I know the whole family are sweeps.


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-13
VerdictNot Guilty

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13. EDWARD MOORE was again indicted for stealing, on the 29th of October , 1 set of cart harness, value 30s. the goods of James Ware .

JAMES WARE. I lost a set of cart harness out of the stables behind my house - a person can get from the slaughter-house into the stables - one leads to the other - I had taken the harness off the horse the day before, and in the morning it was gone - it was about three years

ago that I lost it - I missed it in the morning - I had seen it over night safe in the stables - the prisoner lives in the next house, and has done so for nearly twenty years - there is a loft over the stables - I have seen a pair of brass hames - the officers found them at the time the fat and mutton were found.

Prisoner. Q. At the office did not you look at the hames for some minutes and say you doubted about them? A. I really do not know that I did say so - I did not doubt it for I swear to them, and am certain they are mine - nobody told me I might be indicted for perjury if I said wrong to my knowledge - I know them because one had a ring broken off, and the other part was broken about where it draws from, and it was not safe - I told my young man not to use them after that time - I said the collar did not belong to me.

Q. Did you not say I might buy them at Smithfield-market?

A. I said they sold stolen property at Smithfield-market.

GEORGE AVERY . I am an officer. I searched the prisoner's house which joins the prosecutor's slaughter. house - on the second floor, I found a spy hole which commanded a view of the whole premises, by lifting the wood up - tiles were taken off the roof of the house sufficient to admit a person backwards and forwards - they could easily walk along the gutter to it - we went to the stables, and on a horse collar was a pair of brass hames - Groves took them from the collar and shewed them to Ware and he identified them - I was present at the examination - I know Mr. Twyford's signature (looking at the depositions) this is his signature(read)

"The prisoner says - I bought a pony at Smithfield-market with a harness and the hames produced, in March or April, of a man who gave his name George Baley."

WILLIAM GROVES . I am a policeman. I went to the stables of the prisoner and found the hames, and have had them ever since.

JAMES WARE. Here is where one ring is broken - I know them by that - they were not fit to use on that account - they are mine, I am positive.

Prisoner. Q. When you lost the harness did your slaughter-house join my premises? A. They all join together, the stables and slaughter-house.

The prisoner put in a written defence stating that he had purchased the goods in Smithfield-market.


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-14
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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14. ROBERT LANE was indicted for stealing, on the 4th of November , 8 live tame rabbits, value 16s. , the goods of Robert Senecal .

ROBERT SENECAL. I am a silk winder , and live at No. 14, New-street, Nicholl-street, Bethnal-green - I had ten rabbits and lost eight on the 4th of November, from the cellar under my house - I have since seen six of them; two of them are in court alive - the prisoner lived with me about ten months ago for nine or ten months; he was employed in my business - I did not keep rabbits then - I always found him honest.

CHARLES ANDREWS . I am a porkman, and live at No. 8, Brick-lane; I was in my shop on the 4th of November; the prisoner brought some rabbits to me - I never saw him before - I am sure he is the person; he came about nine o'clock in the evening, and brought two rabbits for sale and asked 3s. for them; I gave him 2s 6d. which was the usual price for common rabbits; 1s. for one and 1s. 6d. for the other - I asked if they were his own, he said, yes - I asked where he lived, he said, in Nicholl-street; and next morning two policemen brought him and two other boys to my shop, and said in his hearing, that some rabbits had been stolen, and the prisoner pointed out the two he had sold me; I gave them up to the policemen - it was the two he had sold me the night before.

HENRY WALLINGTON . I am a policeman. I went to Andrews's shop on the 5th of November, and took the prisoner and two other boy s there; I asked Andrews in the prisoners presence if he had not some rabbits which had been stolen the night before; he said, he had bought two; the prisoner immediately said, "those are the two," pointing to the two in different hutches; I neither threatened nor made him any promise; he said, he had sold them to Andrews the night before; Andrews gave them to me; I found 2s. on him.

TIMOTHY TOOMEY . I am a policeman. I apprehended the prisoner on the 5th of November, between nine and ten o'clock in the morning.

JOHN McWILLIAMS . I am a policeman. I have known this prisoner from his childhood; he always bore an honest good character; he works for his father who is a journeyman weaver; he is seventeen years old.

CHARLES ANDREWS . These are the two rabbits the prisoner brought me.

ROBERT SENECAL. I know the rabbits to be mine; they are two of those I lost; I have had them a long while, and am positive they are mine.

James Cole , journeyman weaver, 6, Grove-street, Bethnalgreen; John Cruise , journeyman painter, 73, Church-street, Bethnal-green; Samuel Hardy , Tuscan trimming manufacturer, 2, St. John-street, Brick-lane; William Gaffy , journeyman silk-weaver, Great George-street, Bethnal-green; Mary Robins , 3, George-street; and George Arrowsmith , journeyman silk weaver, Edward-street, Bethnal-green, gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY. Aged 18. - Recommended to Mercy .

Confined Three Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-15

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15. MARY LOWE was indicted for stealing, on the 14th of October , 1 bonnet, value 4s.; and 1 shirt, value 2s ., the goods of Sarah Price .

SARAH PRICE. I am a widow , and live at No. 8, Playhouse-yard . I buy and sell old clothes ; the prisoner has dealt with me; I lost a bonnet and shawl on a Saturday; it is a month ago or more; I have seen them since; a person named Smith came and sold me a shirt, about five weeks ago; I did not know it at that time to be what I had lost; I now know it by the mark on the back; I did not look at the mark when I bought it, and did not know at that time, that I had lost one; I lost the bonnet on a

Tuesday in the last month; I saw it again about a month ago at Worship-street; here is the shirt; it has the letters J. J. S. on it - and here is the bonnet.

ROBERT REED . I am a policemen. I apprehended the prisoner, and received the bonnet from Green, and the shirt from Mrs. Price.

ELIZABETH GREEN . I live at No. 35, Blue Anchor-alley. I bought a bonnet of the prisoner, and gave it to the policeman; I bought it about five weeks ago; I asked if it was her own; she said, yes it was, and if I did not buy it, somebody else should, for she wanted a pair of shoes; I gave her a pair of shoes and a shilling for it.

Prisoner. Q. What did Mrs. Smith say to you when you went to sell the bonnet? A. Mrs. Smith said it was her own bonnet; she was with her.

MARY SMITH (a prisoner). I lived at No. 4, Three King-court, White-cross-street. The prisoner asked me to go with her to sell the bonnet; I took her to Mrs. Green, and she bought it of her; I dare say this is the bonnet; I cannot swear to it; it has the appearance of the bonnet; I only saw it for about five minutes; Mrs. Green gave her a shilling, and a pair of shoes for it, and asked if it was her own; she said "Yes;" I took a shirt from the prisoner to Mrs. Price's, and brought her a shilling for it; this has the appearance of the shirt, but I never opened it, nor examined it; I gave the prisoner the money when I came back; she said, she did not wish me to have taken it to Mrs. Price's for she had had it from there; that was all she said; when I sold it to Mrs. Price she examined it.

Prisoner's Defence (written). On the 5th of October, when I was returning from my work, I met a person in White-cross-street, and I bought the bonnet and shirt. I wore the bonnet several times in the neighbourhood, and then being short of money, I took the articles to the person who now prosecutes me, and she was not up. I had been in the habit of selling things to her these three years; then meeting the witness Smith, and she told me she knew a person that would buy them of me, and then in three weeks after I was taken into custody for them. The witness Smith is of a very light character, and has been tried twice at Portsmouth, and once at the Old Bailey, and is now for trial here.

MARY SMITH re-examined. I was never in my life in custody at Portsmouth; and never tried there; I was tried here six years ago; I have been at Portsmouth, but was never in custody there.

GUILTY . Aged 29. - Confined Six Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-16

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16. THOMAS FERRY was indicted for stealing, on the 29th of October , 1 handkerchief, value 4s. , the goods of William Phillips .

ELIZABETH COOPER . I am the wife of Thomas Cooper , of the Hackney-road . On Tuesday the 29th of October, I was washing at Mr. Phillips' house; in the kitchen; I washed a pocket handkerchief, and hung it out in the yard, I saw it safe at half-past seven o'clock, hanging on a line with two pegs; it was missing at nearly half-past eight o'clock.

WILLIAM BOLTON . I am a shopman to Mr. Cotton, pawnbroker, Shoreditch. On the 29th of October, about a quarter-before eight o'clock in the evening; the prisoner pawned this handkerchief for 2s.; I asked if it belonged to him; he said, "Yes;" I am quite sure of him; he gave the name, of Thomas Ferry, White Lion-street; I gave it to the constable.

JOHN CALWAY . I am a constable. I produce the handkerchief which I received from the witness.

WILLIAM PHILLIPS . This handkerchief is mine; I know it by the mark; I never saw any one like it, I know it by the pattern; it was missed about eight o'clock in the evening, of the 29th of October; I have had it about five or six months; I have not a doubt of it; they must get over a fence to get to my yard.

Prisoner's Defence. I was coming from work - a boy asked me to pledge it for him, and he gave me sixpence for doing it; next morning I was taken to the station-house; he was quite a stranger to me.

GUILTY . Aged 19. - Confined Six Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-17
VerdictsGuilty; Not Guilty
SentencesNo Punishment > sentence respited

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17. ANN DIXON was indicted for stealing, on the 15th of August , 8 garnet stones, value 10l., the goods of Robert Bunting the elder, her master ; and JOSEPH GODDARD , for feloniously receiving the same, well knowing them to have been feloniously stolen .

MR. DOANE conducted the prosecution.

ROBERT BUNTING. I am a lapidary , and live at No. 65, Red-lion-street, Clerkenwell . The female prisoner was in my employ for about two months; I discharged her at the latter end of August - I had before that missed stones to a considerable amount; some rubies, emeralds, and sixteen garnets, but no suspicion attached to her at that time - on Friday the 25th of last month, I saw one of them.

WILLIAM BROWN EDWARDS . I am an officer of Hatton-garden. I produce a small stone given to me by the prosecutor.

ROBERT BUNTING. This is one of the stones I lost; I know it by the fineness of the quality, and the scarcity of this size, and the colour is very peculiar, it being an East Indian garnet; and the cut of it - it was not cut in England; it is Indian cut; all the garnets I lost were Indian cut - I lost one very large one, and some of this size; the generality of them were smaller than that; none of them were like this, not that peculiar cut - I have not the least doubt that this is one of them - Groves has worked for me seventeen years, and Mrs. Groves was in the habit of selling for me to a great amount, and has been in the habit of seeing my stones - she has seen my garnets repeatedly in my place, she has seen this one.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. How long have you known Mrs. Groves? A. About fourteen or fifteen years - I have known her all that time, coming backwards and forewards to my house; the husband works for me; she had access to my house - there is no private mark of mine on the garnet.

Q. You swear it was East Indian cut? A. Yes, and from that and the colour I swear to it; there is not one of a thousand of that quality - I have not seen twenty of

that quality; I do not know that I have seen any; but I may have seen fifteen or twenty, or more; very likely I have seen fifty; I will not swear I have not seen one hundred, nor one thousand; but I swear to the quality and cut - I have not seen five of this cut - there is not a lapidary in this country can cut as this is done - the tools are not such as they cut with - they cut them in the East Indies on wood and emery; I believe they are all cut in the same manner from the East Indies; exactly like this - this is the only one I saw cut in this way, I think; I might not have noticed - I do not believe I have seen any of this cut at all; I swore to this positively at the police-office - I believe I gave the cut as a reason, and the fineness of the quality, I think; I will swear I mentioned the cut to the magistrate.

MR. DOANE. Q. Do you know the male prisoner? A. He is servant to a greengrocer in the neighbourhood, and came backwards and forwards.

JOSEPH GIBBONS . I am apprenticed to Mr. Hasler, a jeweller. I saw the male prisoner last month at Hatton-garden; and I remember seeing him about the 24th of last May - he asked me if I would mount him a stone into a brooch; I said, I would - I went to his place - I do not know the name of the street; I saw the female prisoner there, who is his sister - they both showed me the stones in a piece of paper; they were garnet stones - the male prisoner asked if I would mount him a stone, and he selected one, and he asked his sister if he might have it; she said he might, and he gave me the stone.

Q. What was it he said to her? A."Will you give me this stone to make into a brooch?" or something like that - those are the words, as near as I can recollect; and she said he might have it - the stones were at that time in his hands, in a paper - when I first went into the room he asked his sister to get them; he asked a female, and I think it was her, but I did not take particular notice who it was - this was not in the room; it was in the passage - I am certain she was there; it was in the evening, and it was dark, and I think from her voice it was her - I did not go into the room; we went out of the passage into a cart-shed adjoining - I saw both the prisoners in the passage when I went in, and some others, but I do not know who they were - the male prisoner got the stones and opened the paper, and then we went into the other place - I saw the stones in the passage; they brought a candle; I do not know who brought it - I saw the female prisoner there; after that the two prisoners went into a cart-shed with me; somebody else came in after - we went out of the passage into the cart-shed without going into the street - I believe a door goes out of the passage into the cart-shed - the female prisoner had the candle: the male prisoner picked out the stone, and asked his sister, if he might have it; she said, "Yes" - he had them in his own hand in a paper at the time; he gave the stone to me to make into a brooch; this is very much like the stone - I took it to Mr. Groves, to be re-cut, and left it there.

Cross-examined. Q. What directions did the man give you about the garnet? A. To make it into a brooch; it was not in a fit state to be set; it could be set without being re-cut, but it would not look well; if it was re-cut it would make it look different from what it was.

Q. As you were not directed to have it re-cut, why desire Groves to do it? A. It would look so had if it was not re-cut; I thought it would not do so well for a brooch - it would cost about 3d. or 6d. to re-cut it; I knew the woman by hearing her voice afterwards - I will not be certain it was her - I am certain she is the woman who was there, but am not certain she is the woman he asked to get the stones; there was a girl there, but I am almost sure it was the prisoner he asked; it might he the girl who brought the stones; there was no light in the passage when I heard the woman's voice, when he asked for the stones to be got; I had not known her before; Mr. Hasler could not recut the stone; he is a jeweller; I took it as a little job for myself; I should charge for making the brooch about 1s.; he asked me what it would be: I said, "About 1s.;" I was to set it in brass - I should have 3d. or 6d. to pay for re-cutting it; that would be out of my pocket; I have known Mrs. Groves, I believe, about a year and a-half; it might be more; she worked for my master; I never saw her with any garnets; I have been with my master two years and three months - living with him nearly all that time.

Q. From the time your master first hired you, up to this time, have you ever quitted him? A. Yes; about twelve months since; I had been hired by him then, a year and ten months - I did not tell my master I was going away, he had beat me before I left, because I lost a little coral drop; I went to a house to get a bill receipted, and in opening the paper, it fell out of the paper and fell down a hole in the room, and I could not get the board up; the value of it was 1s.; I ran away from him because he beat me for it; I went to Liverpool - my master was living in London; it is two hundred miles to Liverpool - I walked there; I found my way by seeing the coaches and things going along; I did not intend to go to Liverpool when I set out - I am sure I don't know why I went there; I had 1s. 6d. in my pocket, and eat acorns and blackberries to support myself on the way; I was eight days walking - I slept in the hedges; I had some clothes - I did not pawn any of them - I had none but what I had on; I did not pledge any clothes before I left - I once pledged a waistcoat, that was nearly twelve months before, I had no friends in Liverpool - I was only there one day; I went to the dock yard there to go to sea; I was never at sea.

Q. How were you discovered at Liverpool? A. I was standing in the dock yard; a policeman asked me where I belonged to; I told him, and I was sent to London to my master; I was sixteen years old then; I did not see hand-bills offering a reward for me - I saw hand-bills describing me when I returned; my master had scolded me for various things before - he did not accuse me of stealing coral; I am in his service at this time; he refused to become bail for my appearance.

MR. DOANE. Q. You were flogged and ran away from your apprenticeship? A. Yes; I said I was doubtful who the prisoner asked to fetch the garnets; I have not a

doubt who it was that seemed to own the stones - it was that girl; I am quite sure she is the girl who consented to let the male prisoner have that garnet.

COURT. Q. Do you know who he asked to let him have the stone? A. Yes - that girl at the bar.

RICHARD GROVES . I am a lapidary, and live at No. 6, Benjamin-street, St. Sepulchre's. On the 25th of October, Gibbons brought me a garnet to cut - I believe this to be the garnet; I never saw a stone cut in this state, in this country; they are generally sent to us to re-cut; Mrs. Groves took it off my bench; I gave it into her hands when she came to my bench; she recognized it immediately.

ELEANOR GROVES . I am the wife of Richard Groves ; I remember receiving a garnet from my husband, about the 25th of October; it was a particularly fine one; I had seen it in possession of Mr. Bunting before, with others, and recognised it; I have worked for him seventeen years - I have had goods on commission from Mr. Bunting, to the amount of 2 or 300l. at a time; I believe this to be the same garnet; I took it to Mr. Bunting's and left it with him.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you seen Gibbons many times? A. From his coming backwards and forwards for the last two years - I knew him when he went to Liverpool - I heard of his going, but not till he was gone; I heard it from his employer, after he was gone; I only knew him as a boy bringing work backwards and forwards; my maiden name was Harris; I was not married more than once - I have been married to Groves thirteen years; I never went by the name of Eaton - I never knew that name; I know Hatton-garden, and the Police-office - I was born in the neighbourhood of it; I have been in the Police-office - I was there last month; I cannot tell you how long it is since I was there the first time - I have been there several times as a witness, or any thing else - I was there, and if Mr. Wooler is here he can answer the question.

Q. What were you charged with the first time you made your appearance there? A. I was seen to be talking to a bad character; that is the only charge - I was never brought to the police-office again - I was never charged but once at Hatton-garden; Mr. Wooller was astonished that the key should be turned on me - I don't know who the policeman was that had me; it was one of the new police - I was never there in charge of any officer, not a policeman; I was there a month ago only as a witness in Mr. Bunting's case - I never was in the office, except as a witness for Mr. Bunting, and at the time I was charged with speaking to a bad character, that was last summer - I know Waddington, he is well known in the neighbourhood; he has never had me in custody, that I will swear; the policeman took me, and of course I was in the care of Mr. Waddington; it was only once; and that was, because I spoke to a bad character - my house has not been searched lately - I know Busain, the police-inspector - my house was never searched but once; that was last summer, when I was charged with speaking to a bad character; and, my brother, unfortunately, was in trouble at the time; he had a trial here, and you, Sir, was kind enough to plead his cause - my house was searched, for furs, I believe; it was searched, but no stolen furs were in my house - I was never charged at Hatton-garden, with four other women, that I swear; nor with any women, except what I have said; that was last summer - I was not charged with three or four other women, with housebreaking - I had but two examinations, that was on account of the furs; on account of my brother and me talking to bad women - when I come to recollect, it was the summer before last, but that was the transaction - I was not examined twice; I was not asked questions the next time - I went down, I believe, two days, and was then brought up and discharged - I went by my own name then - I was never in Waddington's custody, by the name of Eaton, nor any name, except Groves; and I was only once in his custody - I was never charged with a girl and two men - I have made no mistake.

WILLIAM EDWARDS . I am a police-officer. I took the female prisoner into custody; Goddard came up to the office, and was put to the bar and charged.

Cross-examined. Q. The female was taken up, and Goddard came to the office to give evidence? A. Exactly so; and was given in charge himself - Gibbons was bound over to give evidence, on pain of imprisonment - I believe his master objected to be answerable for him.

ROBERT BUNTING , Jun. I am the son of the prosecutor - I was bound over.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you know the female prisoner? A. Yes, by being in our service - I had known her about three mobths.

Dixon. I have nothing to say; but leave all to my counsel.

GEORGE WADDINGTON . I am a police-officer, of Hatton-garden - I have been there seven years and a half - I have seen Mrs. Groves to-day - I have been acquainted with her since I have been jailor to the office, which is only between two and three years - I have the name in the book before.

Q. On what occasion did you see her at the office first? A. Two burglaries were committed; her brother was charged with them, and she was taken also by Busain; it was on the 20th of January, 1832; four prisoners were committed, and she was discharged; two males, and two females - I think she went by the name of Groves; I will not positively say that I knew her by any other name - I have seen her several times at our office - I think the last occasion was about some furs, where Busain had searched about furs - I don't recollect what she was charged with; she was, on one occasion, charged with something - I am positive I saw her at our office under a charge once; the second time I cannot be certain of - she was in the office, which is only a small room; but whether she was charged or not I don't know; that is eight or nine months ago - it was about the furs and some shoes that she was there the first time - it was two burglaries together; her brother had been transported. and came back, and was taken up twice since; and on every occasion that he was there, she was there - the burglaries were about robbing a man in Leather-lane, of some furs; that was in January, 1832.

JAMES HASLER . Gibbons is my apprentice. I re

member his running away from me - he had pawned a waistcoat some time before - I was asked, by the magistrate, to be bound for his appearance, but I would not; I had not confidence in him - he is a boy I would believe; I have no fault to find with him as a liar; he was away about eight weeks altogether.

Elizabeth Mitchell, Gilbert's-buildings, Westminster; - Clifford, No. 6, Gilbert's-buildings; Samuel Austin Coombs, No. 9, John-street, St. Lukes; Jane Stevens, a married woman, No. 16, Europia-place; William Stanton, stay-maker, Bath-street, Clerkenwell; and James Morris, bricklayer, Crawford-passage, gave Ann Dixon, a good character.

DIXON - GUILTY. Aged 19. - Recommended to Mercy on account of previous good conduct.

Judgment Respited .


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-18
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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18. ROBERT TAYLOR was indicted for stealing, on the 5th of November , 1 handkerchief, value 1s., the goods of Algernon Hiscock , from his person - to which he pleaded

GUILTY. Aged 20. - Recommended to Mercy.

Judgment Respited .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-19
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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19. JANE HARLEY was indicted for stealing, on the 26th of October , 1 hat, value 6s. , the goods of Thomas Rich - to which she pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 28. - Confined Four Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-20

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20. CHRISTOPHER HALL was indicted for stealing, on the 1st of November , 1 handkerchief, value 3s., the goods of John Gregson , from his person .

JAMES BEAMAN . I am one of the City-police, No. 26. On the 1st of November, in the afternoon, I was in St. Paul's-church-yard - I saw the prisoner and a companion following Mr. Gregson; I watched them, and saw the prisoner put his hand into his pocket, in Cheapside - I immediately ran up, and took him, and took this handkerchief out of his hand - I told the prosecutor the prisoner had picked his pocket - the prosecutor claimed the handkerchief.

Prisoner. I deny following the gentleman down St. Paul's Church-yard; the gentleman came up Newgate-street.

JAMES BEAMAN. I stood at the corner of St. Paul's Church-yard; I cannot say where the prosecutor came from, but he was going up Cheapside - I was close to the corner of St. Paul's Church-yard; against Butler's shop - I never saw him in Newgate-street.

JOHN GREGSON. I live at No. 18, Bedford-row; on the 1st of November, I was in Cheapside, and lost a pocket handkerchief - the last witness Beaman called my attention to it, and told me I was robbed - I turned round and saw my handkerchief in the prisoner's left hand - this is my handkerchief - I had come from Bedford-row - I do not know when I last had the handkerchief safe.

Prisoner's Defence. I saw two young men walking before me in Newgate-street - they crossed the road, and I picked up the handkerchief, and immediately the officer laid hold of me.

JOHN GREGSON. I have inquired of Mr. Darling, poulterer, Leadenhall-market, who the prisoner left in December last, and he had intrusted him with property, and knew nothing against him; I saw him to day.

Joseph Blackburn , 17, Catherine-wheel-alley; William O'Neil , Catherine-wheel-alley, Eliza Clark , a married woman, 23, Union-street, Bishopgate-street: and Mary Blackburn , wife of Joseph Blackburn ; gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY . Aged 21 - Confined Six Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-21

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21. GEORGE RIX was indicted for stealing, on the 26th of November , 1 handkerchief, value 2s., the goods of Henry Kemble , from his person .

CHARLES LANE . I live at No. 5, Angel-court, Throgmorton-street; on the 26th of November, between twelve and one o'clock in the afternoon, I was in Mincing-lane , and saw the prisoner pulling a handkerchief out of Mr. Kemble's pocket; and when I got up to him, he was putting it into his own pocket - he wished to get rid of it, he struggled, and got away, and ran a few yards, and was knocked down; his hat fell off and I picked it up - I took hold of the handkerchief, or rather he gave it to me - he was stopped without my losing sight of it of it.

HENRY KEMBLE. I live at Camberwell. On the 26th of November, I was in Mincing-lane, and in consequence of what Lane stated, my attention was called to my handkerchief, which was gone from my pocket - this is mine, I have not a doubt of it.

The prisoner made no defence.

GUILTY . Aged 17 - Transported for Fourteen Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-22

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22. HENRY LOCKIE was indicted for stealing, on the 29th of September , at St. Botolph without Bishopgate, 40 sovereigns the monies of Elizabeth Chambers , in the dwelling-house of Harriett Edger .

ELIZABETH CHAMBERS. I lived in the service of Miss Harriett Edger, No. 8, Devonshire-place, St. Botolph without Bishopgate ; the prisoner lived servant with Miss Edger, and on the 29th of September, he was discharged; he asked leave to sleep there that night, which Miss Edger allowed - and next morning I found the front door of the house open, and in about half-an-hour, I missed 40 sovereigns out of my clothes box in the kitchen; I keep my box locked and found it unlocked - the money was in a small box inside the clothes box - the small box had no lock - I afterwards missed some spoons from the kitchen shelf; and I afterwards found the small box in a room up stairs, where the prisoner slept - it was in a closet in the room - (I have lived some years with Miss Edger) - on finding the door open, I missed the prisoner and did not see him till he gave himself up, about a fortnight after.

JOHN WILKINSON . I am inspector of the division N of the police; on Tuesday night, the 22nd of October, the prisoner came to the station-house, Southwark-bridge, and inquired what the punishment would be for robbing in a dwelling-house, in the night; whether it would be hanging; I told him it depended a good deal on the circumstance, and asked what he meant, he said, "I am the person

who have done it and am come to give myself up;" I thought it might be a hoax - he said, "you may think I am joking, but I am come to give myself up for robbery; let me come round and I will tell you the whole of it" - he came round, took a chair, drew himself up to me and began to state the particulars - I said, "before I can entertain the charge, I will send to see if such a robbery has been committed" - I sent the sergeant who came back with Mr. Edger, who said (in the prisoner's presence,) that it was correct; and the prisoner said, the cook had often said, she would be glad when he was gone, but said he, "I wonder now whether she would be glad or sorry," he said he lived at No. 8, Devonshire-square, in the service of Miss Edger; that he was going to leave the service, and had often watched the cook's keys - that he took a pattern with the eye, of the nearest he could, and tried it to the cook's box; that he slept in the house that night, and took nine silver spoons from the kitchen, and Captain Christie's shoes, and 40 sovereigns from the cook's box, and he would have made them remember it, had not the old stairs creaked so in going up, or else he should have had all the plate in the house; I have no doubt he had been drinking for some days before - I thought he was deranged, but he was not the least altered before the Lord Mayor - he said that after the robbery he went to Liverpool, Manchester, and Birmingham, for he was determined they should never have any of the property; I told the sergeant to search him - he said, "You will find nothing, for I was determined they should have nothing back," and when 1s. was found on him he said, "Oh there is a shilling here - I would not have come here till I had spent it, if I had known it;" this was on the 27th of October - he said, "Now you think I have been romancing and joking with you, but for all I have told you, I mean to have a trial for it, for they do not know whether it was before twelve or after twelve o'clock that I left the house - and I mean to stand my trial for it, after all I have told you about it" - next morning I thought on reflection, he might contradict his statement but he has never contradicted it at all - I found a key in his box which the cook says opens her box better than her own - I found at the place where he directed me that I should find his clothes, the property in the box with his clothes - I found a pair of shoes with Captain Christie's name written in them - I am not acquainted with the name of the parish myself - I have not recovered any property - he said three duplicates I found, was the produce of what he bought with the money.

WILLIAM RILEY . I am a Ward officer of Bishopsgate; I know No. 8, Devonshire-square; it is in the parish of St. Botolph without, Bishopsgate.

ELIZABETH CHAMBERS. Miss Edger keeps the whole house, and pays the rent and taxes.

Prisoner. I leave it to you my Lord; I have nothing to say at all.

GUILTY . Aged 18 - Transported for Life .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-23

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23. HENRY BERTHOLD was indicted for stealing, on the 21st of October , 1 boa, value 26s. the goods of Edwin Leaf , and others .

ARCHIBALD McINTYRE . I am shopman to Edwin Leaf and two partner s, of Wood-street . On the 19th of October, I saw the prisoner in the warehouse; he applied to purchase articles, and went into the upper warehouse, into the fur room - he came about five o'clock in the evening, and said he was a large shipper, and wanted goods to the amount of 2000l., which he would pay cash for, and would select them next morning - there is an opening below, and one of the boys saw him do something; and on the 21st of October, he came in and I then saw him twist a boa round his fist, take his hat off, and put it into his hat; he stopped a short time - a young man was showing him goods, and wanted to know why he did not buy them; he said he had seen goods at another warehouse cheaper - he came down; I sent some young man for an officer - he walked out of the warehouse, and was brought back, and on being brought into the counting-house, he threw the boa out of his hat, but I did not see that; all I saw him do was, put it into his hat, and walk out - he had been in the warehouse about half an hour, and looked at different descriptions of goods.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. How long after you saw him put it into his hat was he taken up? A. About ten minutes; I went down the warehouse, and sent a young man out for an officer; it was not my business to seize him; I should take care he did not go away - I was down stairs between him and the door; he was up stairs - he could not go out without passing me; he did not make any attempt to pass me; I was in the lower warehouse.

ALFRED BUCKWELL . I am in the employ of Leaf and Co. On Saturday, the 19th of October, the prisoner came to the warehouse, and on the following Monday he came, between twelve and two o'clock, and asked to see the goods he had seen on Saturday; I showed them to him, and after looking at them a few minutes, he asked to see goods which are kept at another part of the warehouse - I went to get them; some boas were on the counter, and some hanging by him; he bought nothing; he was going away - I said, I had some things in the lower warehouse, which I wished to show him - he followed me down; I followed him out into the street and took him back into the warehouse, and as he went into the counting-house, he took off his hat, and threw a boa from his hat; I saw it picked it, and taken into the counting-house - I delivered the same boa to the policeman; this is it; I know it by my own mark on it.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you been told that he had a boa in his hat? A. No; I did not go down to a place that was dark with him; it is a place below stairs; I should say it is under ground - it is a lower warehouse; a cellar; there were other persons about who had the opportunity of seeing him throw the boa from his hat - they are not here.

COURT. Q. Were there any other boas near the part where he threw this? A. No.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Did you say anything to him? A. No; I did not think it proper - I took hold of him, and brought him into the counting-house without saying what I wanted - a person told him he wished to speak with him in the counting-house; that person is not here.

JOHN WOOLMORE. I am in the employ of Leaf and Co. On the 21st of October, I was in the lower warehouse while the prisoner was being served; I heard him ask for different boas, and while the young man was gone for goods, I saw him twist the boa round his hand, and put it into his hat - I saw him go out of the warehouse, and did not lose sight of him.

Cross-examined. Q. How many people were in the warehouse at the time? A. Part of the young men were at dinner - I should not think there was thirty young men in the warehouse at the time; they were not so near him as me - when I saw it I stopped till the young man came back who was serving him - I went up-stairs, and gave information to Mr. Smith - I remained watching the prisoner.

WILLIAM HAINES . I am a city policeman, No. 85. I have the boa.

Prisoner's Defence. My Lord and gentlemen of the jury, I stand before you in a very unpleasant and degraded situation, and therefore beg your most serious attention to the few words I may offer; and should there appear any difficulties or errors, you will make all reasonable allowances for a foreigner - I have been in England since 1824; I lost a great deal of property in unfortunate speculations; I then occupied my time in pursuit of literature - The philanthropic tendency of my writings are well known - I have in my possession a few letters, selected from among numbers, from influential persons, such as his present Majesty, the Duke of Kent, Duke of Gloucester, Lord Stanhope, Duke of Wellington, and also the publications to which they refer - I will call your attention to my mercantile transactions, which will prove that I called at the warehouse on business; having been commissioned by persons, and purchased goods to various amounts, which I have several gentlemen to prove; and on the Saturday I called at the prosecutor's warehouse, but it being rather late in the afternoon, I said I would call on the Monday following; which I could not have done if guilty of improper conduct - on the day stated, I called and looked at a particular description of boas, and offered a certain price, which Buckwell declined; convinced he would ultimately accept my offer, I retired, and at the door, (not in the street,) was requested to go into the counting-house; and to my surprise, after some minutes a third person came forward with a boa which was said to be secreted in my hat, and thrown away - had McIntyre seen me secrete it, would he have allowed me to continue on the place half an hour purchasing goods, and to leave his department - Buckwell states he saw me throw the boa away; would he not then have picked it up? He stated before the magistrate he did not pick it up - I ask you whether it is likely I should have laid myself open to prosecution for so paltry a consideration? when I could have got credit to a considerable amount at many warehouses where I am in the habit of dealing; and there was much more valuable property within my reach at the prosecutor's? - This is the first time in my life I was ever charged with felony, or even in custody - I hope you will take into consideration that I have been six weeks in custody before this has come before an enlightened British Jury; and for the great loss I have sustained all the treasures on earth cannot compensate me; and remembering that Godlike maxim, that it is safer for ninety-nine guilty to escape, rather than one innocent should be punished, I request you will look well at the circumstances, and enable me to return a useful member to society.

The prisoner here placed the boa in his hat, for the purpose of convincing the jury that it was too large, and could not be there when his hat was on.

ARCHIBALD McINTYRE . It took him about two minutes to twist the boa up - there was only one young man in the room he was in - the warehouse consists of different rooms, and he was in the fur room.

JOHN WOOLMORE. I saw him twist the boa round his arm; he did it in the upper warehouse; there were about thirty persons in the warehouse as near as I can say - there was no one in the same room as he was only Buckwell, and he was at the farthest end of the department; he could not see him - McIntyre was in the lower warehouse with me; Buckwell had turned to fetch some goods when he twisted the boa; it would not go into his hat unless he had twisted it into a small compass, and when he put his hat on, he knocked his hat down on his head.

COURT. Q. Had the prisoner the same hat as he has now produced? A. I don't know: the one he put on to-day did not go on his head so far as the one he wore at the warehouse.

GUILTY . Aged 33. - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-24
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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24. SAMUEL DIXON was indicted for stealing, on the 9th of April , 1 watch, value 1l. 5s.; 2 keys, value 4d.; 1 watch-ribbon, value 3d., and 1 piece of foreign silver coin, value 3d., the goods of William Howell , from his person .

WILLIAM HOWELL. I was in Sun-street, Bishopsgate . On Easter Monday last, about half-past twelve o'clock at night; there were three young men at the corner of Bishopsgate - I stopped for a moment, as they were singing, and while I stood there the prisoner came to me and snatched my watch from my fob; I caught the watch in my hand, and caught the prisoner round the waist; he had got the watch just out of my pocket - I caught it in my hand; he rushed against me, and pulled the watch out of my fob; it was just out of my fob as I caught him; it was not quite out - the watch was at the bottom of my fob before, and he moved it up to the top of my fob; I seized hold of it, caught him round the waist - he threw me down; I called for assistance, and my brother-in-law came to my assistance, and took him off me - the prisoner had hold of the ribbon, and I had the watch in my hand - when he got me down he tried to throttle me; he got his hands on each side of my throat; I called out, and he let go of me immediately; he did nothing more to me - nobody kicked me- I never actually lost my watch; I had a silver coin attached to my watch-ribbon - (looking at the watch) this is it, and it has the same coin to it.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. You have had your watch since that night? A. Yes; I got it again three or four weeks afterwards, and kept it until I went to the

Mansion-house, when the prisoner was in custody, about a fortnight or three weeks ago - the officer asked me who the maker was - I know the maker's name - Riley took my watch in charge that night; when it was drawn from my fob - I got it again when I went to the Mansion-house, about three weeks afterwards - it was about six months ago; I have had it ever since - the officer had not handed it to me that night; I kept it till Mr. Riley came to my house, about three weeks ago, and said I must give it up into his care; I have never made a mistake on this subject - nobody kicked me when I was down; it was dark - there were about three persons singing; there was nobody at all listening to them - they were not singing for money; they were at play.

JAMES BRUNNING . I am brother-in-law to the prosecutor. I was in the same street that night; I was some yards before him; I heard him sing out for me; I ran up to him, and found a man holding the ribbon of the watch in one hand - and he had hold of the watch himself, and the man round the waist; the man was dragging him along the ground; I cannot recognise the man - I saw Nightingale the watchman - I caught hold of the man, and gave him in charge of Nightingale.

Cross-examined. Q. How many persons were there? A. No other persons; the singers were gone - as I passed them before, they appeared intoxicated - I only saw two men singing.

WILLIAM NIGHTINGALE . I am a watchman. I was in Sun-street, on Easter-Monday, and heard somebody cry out"Watch" - I went up, and a man was assisting Howell, who had the prisoner round the waist - I asked what was the matter - he said the prisoner had robbed him of his watch; I laid hold of the prisoner, and as I took him to the watch-house he knocked me down five or six times, and kicked me twice in the ****; and a companion of his interfered, and tried to wrench my truncheon from me while I had him on the ground, but I got him to the watch-house.

Cross-examined. Q. I dare say you made use of the truncheon yourself? A. I did not; when I was knocked down, the truncheon was wrenched out of my hand, and thrown on the ground - I tried to defend myself with my hands, but my truncheon was gone.

JOHN STEVENS . I was in Sun-street, on Easter-Monday - I came to the assistance of the watchman - I saw the prisoner catch hold of the prosecutor, and take the watch; they began to struggle, and I told the watchman to take hold of the prisoner - he kicked him once most dreadfully, and the watchman was obliged to let him go - I caught hold of him, got him down on the ground, while assistance came and took him from me; and while I held him, he bit my thigh through my trousers: the blood ran out of them - if I had not caught hold of his head, he would have got from me.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you not holding his head down? A. Yes; not knocking his head on the stones; I did not - he ill-used me most dreadfully - I held him down or he would have got away; but he kicked and bit me before that - he broke out of the watch-house in the morning - if I had got any thing about me he would not have got out of the watch-house for I would have given him a cut.

WILLIAM RILEY . I am a constable. The prisoner was given into my charge - I put him into Bishopsgatecage in the strong-room, and knowing him, I paid more attention to him than usual - I found in an hour afterwards, three iron bars wrenched off outside the cage, and he had got out and escaped - I took him again on the 20th of October - I knew him very well before.

Cross-examined. Q. You say you knew him to be a bad character, and paid more attention to him? A. Yes; he got out in an hour afterwards; it was a very busy night - I will swear the bars were not down before - the cage is under the burial-ground in Bishopsgate Church-yard - I found a small googe on his person.

William Barr , chairmaker, No. 2, Anchor-street, Swan-yard. Shoreditch; Charles Venables, chairmaker, No. 5, Cox-square, Bell-alley; and Thomas Shaw, cabinetmaker, of Hackney-road, gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY of Stealing, but not from the Person . Aged 22.

Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-25
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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Fourth Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.

25 THOMAS WHITE was indicted for stealing, on the 22nd of November , 1 barrel, value 3s.; the goods of James Richmond , his master : to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 27. Confined Two Days .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-26

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26. WILLIAM CAUTLEY was indicted for stealing, on the 29th of October , 1 waistcoat, value 7s. , the goods of Henry Kingsley .

HENRY KINGSLEY. I live at Enfield . This waistcoat is my property - I was not at home at the time it was taken.

PIPER WAKELING . I carry on the business for Mr. Kingsley - between three and four o'clock, on the 29th of October I was in the shop; a person gave me information; I went out, and missed a waistcoat from outside the window, which I had seen safe two hours before - I saw a man running away, and pursued him, but lost sight of him; he turned down a lane - the prisoner was afterwards brought back by the constable, who had this waistcoat - I could not swear that the prisoner was the man I saw running away.

MARTHA HODGE . I live near Mr. Kingsley. On the 29th of October, I was standing, looking out at my window; I saw three men, they looked at each other, and the prisoner, who was one of them, took this waistcoat; he put it into a bag, and ran off with it.

Prisoner. She said that another man took it, and gave it to me. Witness. No, I did not - you are the man.

Prisoner's Defence. I am quite innocent - I heard a cry of Stop thief, and ran, and was taken.

Mary Inglefield and David Smith gave the prisoner a good character.

JAMES GRIFFITHS . I am constable of Tottenham. I saw the prisoner opposite my house, walking quick; he

turned his head, saw me, and ran down High Cross-lane- he got down about two hundred yards, and was stopped, and brought back to me - I did not see the prisoner throw this down.

EDWARD JENKINSON . I picked up this waistcoat, but I did not see it thrown down.

ELIZABETH BETTS . I saw the prisoner running very fast - he dropped something from a bag; I cannot say what.

GUILTY . Aged 22. - Confined Three Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-27

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27. CHARLES BURBERY was indicted for stealing, on the 10th of October , 1 copper pot, value 5s. , the goods of Abraham Holwell .

ABRAHAM HOLWELL . I am a baker , and live in Church-street, Hackney . The prisoner was employed by some bricklayers, who were at work at my house - on the 12th of October I missed a copper pot or boiler from my yard - it was worth 5s. to me - the prisoner had been working at my house on the 10th of October.

ELIZABETH COOK . I am the wife of William Cook , of Baxter's-court. On the 10th of October I was going to town across London-fields - I saw the prisoner, whom I had seen before; there were two men coming after him; they called to him, that he was carrying it uncovered; that attracted my attention - I looked round to see what it was, and saw the prisoner had a copper boiler on his shoulder; when he saw that I was at his elbow, he said he was going to take it to have a lid - I passed on, and the prisoner stopt behind with the two men who appeared to be bricklayers, and the pot was covered up.

JURY. Q. What was it covered with? A. It appeared to me to be an old coat.

WILLIAM COOK . I am son of this witness, and am eleven years of age; I know the nature of an oath. I was with my mother on that day; I saw the prisoner with a pot on his back - I had seen the prisoner before at the Cock public-house carrying out beer - there were two bricklayer's men near the prisoner, when I saw him in the field, but I did not hear what they said to him - the pot was uncovered when I first saw it, and I suppose they covered it to conceal it.

WILLIAM GILLETT (police-constable N 19). I took the prisoner; I told him it was for stealing a copper pot- he said, he knew nothing about it - I said he had been seen with it by a woman and her son coming across London-fields - he said he was not there that day.

Prisoner's Defence. I know nothing of it; I never saw it.

JURY to ELIZABETH COOK. Q. What was the shape of the pot? A. It was round.

ABRAHAM HOLWELL . My boiler was a large round one.

GUILTY . Aged 27. - Condemned Three Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-28
VerdictNot Guilty

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28. WILLIAM TOVEY was indicted for stealing, on the 24th of October , 1 gown, value 10s. , the goods of Sarah Collett .

SARAH COLLETT . I am the daughter of Richard Collett - we live in Bennett-row, Stoke Newington . On the 24th of October, I washed out my gown, and hung it to dry just outside the wash-house door in the back garden, between three and four o'clock; I missed it between seven and eight o'clock in the evening; it was worth 10s.; it cost me 15s.; this is it.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Do you live with your father? A. Yes; I assist my mother, who is a laundress; my father provides me with clothes, but I bought this gown when I was in service.

COURT. Q. You had been in service, and bought it then? A. Yes; my father did not pay for it; I had been five years in service, but returned to my father, and work for my living. I am seventeen years old.

WILLIAM STAPLES . I am shopman to a pawnbroker at Kingsland. On the 24th of October, about a quarter past seven o'clock, the prisoner came and offered a gown to pawn; I knew him before; it was a gown similar to this, but I did not take it in, because it was wet.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you open the parcel? A. No sir; I did not, for directly I felt it was so wet, I would not take it; I don't recollect whether there was a wrapper round it or not.

Q. Then how came you to swear, that it was a gown similar to that, when you cannot tell whether it was covered up in a wrapper or not? A. I took very little notice of the gown, but I saw it was wet; I don't recollect opening the wrapper; I cannot swear it was not in a wrapper.

JURY. Q. How did you know that it was a gown? A. I saw the gown on the counter, but whether there was a wrapper or not, I cannot tell; but the colour was brought to my recollection by the young woman coming to inquire about it.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Will you swear that the outside wrapper was not black, blue, or brown? A. I did not take any notice of the wrapper, but I saw the gown; I cannot tell anything about it, whether it was covered up or not.

COURT. Q. You swear you saw the gown, now if it had been in a wrapper, it must have been opened by yourself, or some one; do you swear that if it was in a wrapper it was opened by some one? A. Yes, and it was a gown similar to this one; it appeared darker than this, but being wet made it appear darker.

HEZIKIAH WILMER (police-constable N 202). I received information, and went to Charles-street, where the prisoner lives with his father and mother; I saw the prisoner's brother come out of the house with a bundle, and the prisoner followed him immediately; I was in private clothes; I walked down Dalston, and they after me; I knew them but they did not know me; I stopt, and when his brother came up, I asked him where he was going; he gave me no answer; I then asked him if he knew any body who had any rabbits to sell; he said, "My brother William does;" the prisoner then came up, and I seized him; I made a snatch at the brother also; he escaped, but I caught the bundle which contained this gown.


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29. WILLIAM WOODMAN was indicted for stealing, on the 2nd of November , at St. Luke , 1 watch, value 2l. , the goods of Thomas Jerome .

JOSEPH JEROME . I am assistant to my brother Thomas, he lives at No. 6, Union-street, Bishopsgate , and is a pawnbroker . I was in his shop on the 2nd of November, and the prisoner came in to pawn two watches; I sent the boy up stairs with them; I was then called to the the door, and remained there about two minutes; when I came back I saw the prisoner in a state of confusion, with his hands just put into his pockets; the boy then came down stairs, and told the prisoner the price he wanted for the two watches, was too much; the prisoner took them up, went as far as the door, and told the boy he had provided enough for his to-morrow's dinner, and he did not mind about pawning the watches; he then went away, and I missed this silver hunting watch from the back counter, when the gentleman came down from dinner, which was about twenty minutes after the prisoner was gone; it had been on the back counter in that part of the shop where the prisoner stood, when I was called to the door; if I don't swear altogether to the watch, I can to this piece of ribbon which was inside, and the words which are on it; this watch is in all respects like the one we lost, and the number and name which is Reynolds, are entered in our book; it had been pawned by Mrs. Edwards, for 1l. 12s.; on the Wednesday after the prisoner came to our shop again, and offered a hunting watch to pawn, which was not one of those he had offered on the 2nd of Novmber, and I sent for an officer; this watch had been on the back counter, and the prisoner could get it by opening the hatch door of the front counter, or he might have got over the counter; I don't think I should have seen him.

Prisoner. Q. Have you any shop in the parish of St. Luke's, Middlesex? A. No, our shop is in Bishopsgate, in the City of London; you were taken before the Lord Mayor, but the watch not having been found, you were discharged, but on the following evening, my brother was going by a pawnbroker's shop, and he stepped in, and found the watch; I cannot tell how far our counter is across, but you could not reach the watch with your arm, you must have got over the counter, or gone through the hatch.

COURT. Q. Your house is in Bishopsgate? A. Yes; in Union-street, Bishopsgate, in the City of London; I believe it is next door to the County of Middlesex; it is not five hundred yards off.

Prisoner. Q. Have I not been in the habit of frequenting your brother's shop? A. I have seen him before; he has been to pawn watches now and then; he has sold the duplicates, and brought persons to redeem them; I know nothing of my brother requesting you to take a forged duplicate of a gold watch; I did not make out a duplicate in the name of Moss for 5l.; I know nothing about it; all I know is, that you came and said, a gentleman wanted a gold watch, and one was produced which weighed one ounce, it was worth 4l. 10s., and you wished the duplicate to be made for 5l.

COURT. Q. What is the prisoner? A. I believe he deals in watches; when he was taken fifty-six duplicates were found on him, and twenty-five were for watches.

Prisoner. Having received the two watches back, I said, "Your brother gives very bad prices, but never mind, I have sufficient to get a Sunday's dinner to-morrow;" not, as he insinuates, by stealing his watch, but I had pawned one watch that day, and got 8s. profit by it.

CHARLES WORLEY . I am shopman to Mr. Castle, a pawnbroker in Old-street, St. Luke's. I was there on the evening of the 2nd of November, and the prisoner came in and offered two or three watches - out of the number I selected this one, on which I lent him 30s.; he pawned it in the name of Wood - I have seen him on and off for several years; I always considered him a sort of dealer in watches or anything - I am quite sure this is the watch he pawned.

Prisoner. Were there not several other persons in the shop? Witness. I don't think there were more than three persons - I don't remember any other person bringing a watch at that time; but you brought this, and I took it of you; you offered two others; I said they did not suit me, and then you pulled this out - I don't think you pawned one on the day before; I remembered your person, but did not recollect your name at the moment, you told me it was Wood, and I put Wood.

SARAH EDWARDS . I am the wife of Richard Edwards . This is my husband's watch; I pawned it on the 1st of November, at Mr. Jerome's.

Prisoner. I wish to ask if it had been on the counter from the 1st of November to the 2nd.

JOSEPH JEROME . No; it was put into the drawer the night it was pawned; but the next morning the gentleman was going to take it up-stairs with some other watches, and it was on the back-counter.

Prisoner's Defence (written). I went to the prosecutor's for the purpose of pledging two silver watches. The shop lad took them up-stairs, and in about two minutes returned with them, saying the price would not do. I was at that time standing at the shop-door with the brother of the prosecutor; there was a young man with a broach standing in the next box to me. I declare to God, and in your presence, that I never saw any watch but these said two, and which were my own. On the Wednesday following, I went to Mr. Jerome's shop to pledge a silver hunting watch, and Mr. Jerome said he should retain that one, as I had stolen one from his shop on the Saturday previous. I told him if I had it was not likely I should come again to his shop, and if he thought I had really stolen it, he had better give me into custody; he then sent for an officer, and I was taken before the Lord Mayor, when his lordship dismissed the charge. I then returned to Mr. Jerome's shop for my watch which he had retained: he told me that as I had told the Lord Mayor, that he, (Mr. Jerome) was in the habit of making out false tickets of gold watches, he and several of the trade would look after me. On the following Friday I was again taken into custody on the same charge; and on the oath of Mr. Worley (another pawnbroker), who swore I pawned the watch with him. I was committed for trial. On the 1st of November, I pledged a silver hunting watch with Mr. Worley for 30s., and on the Saturday evening I went with the two first named watches to pledge, but we could not agree as to the amount to be lent on them. When I went in, the shop was full of customers, and there were two men also with silver watches for pledge at the same time; one of whom I

knew, his name was Gig. If I had stolen the watch as charged to me, it is not at all likely I should have offered it for pledge at a place where I was so well kmown; and if I had pawned it, why not have put my own name and address as I did on the hunter the day before? I have been in the watch trade all my life, with the exception of about thirteen years service on board a man-of-war under the command of Sir John Beresford . If I had the watch in my possession for five minutes, I should have opened it to ascertain its value, and then I must have seen the piece of marked silk which was said to have been in the case, and which I could easily have removed; and I could have taken off the namepiece and field the name off, and have engraved my own name and number instead I most soloemnly declare, that I know nothing whatever of the watch in question. It being Saturday evening, and Mr. Wolerey being busy, some other young man might have taken it in. I never have pledged anything in any other name than my own; and if I had pledged it, the ticket would have appeared with my own name and address.

Stephen Griffith , a silver polisher, gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY . Aged 40. - Transoported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-30

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30. WILLIAM HUXTABLE was indicted for stealing, on the 16th of November , 1 coat, value 15s.; 2 handkerchiefs, value 1s., and 8 pence , the property of James Bristow .

JAMES BRISTON . I am a servant ; I live near Maidstone. On the 15th of November I left home with a van; I arrived in Spitalfields on the 16th, which was Saturday morning - I left my van in the market; it had this great coat in it - these two handkerchiefs were in the pockets, and there was 8d. in copper in it - I left it about half-past five o'clock in the morning - I stood back in a shed where the van was, and saw the prisoner take the coat from the van - I said,"What are you up to there?" he ran off and I after him; he hove the coat against a gentleman's door about two rods from the van, I picked it up and went back; my mate went after the prisoner and took him.

THOMAS TYLER . I came from Maidstone with the prosecutor. I saw the prisoner go into the shed, and went to see what he was after; just as I got to the shed he was coming out with the coat - I said, "You drop that coat;" he threw it down, and I ran after him; I just lost sight of him when he turned a corner, and as soon as I turned the Policeman han him.

WILLIAM NORMOYLE (police-constable H 15). I stopped the prisoner.

Prisoner's Defence. I was in great distress.

GUILTY . Aged 22. - Confined Three Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-31
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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31. ROBERT GODFREY was indicted for stealing, on the 22nd of November , 1 mattress, value 5s. , the goods of Ebenezer Henman .

RICHARD WEBB. I am servant to Mr. Ebenezer Henman; he lives at No. 93, Somerset-place, Hoxton , and is a mattress-maker . On the 22nd of November I was in his shop; the prisoner came and felt this mattress, which was at his door; he went away for about a minute, then came back, unhooked it from the door put it on his shoulder, and went away - I told my master, who pursued and took him with it - it had been inside the door.

EBENEZER HENMAN . I was in my parlour - I ran out and took the prisoner with this mattress on him; it is my property.

Prisoner's Defence. I was in great distress, and a man asked me if I would earn a shilling; I said, "Yes;" he told me to take this mattress and carry it for him.

RICHARD WEBB . I saw no one but the prisoner.

THOMAS SHELLY . I have known him fourteen years, he has been very honest; I will employ him till February or March.

GUILTY. Aged 18. Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor . - Confined Two Days .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-32
VerdictsGuilty > lesser offence; Guilty
SentencesNo Punishment > sentence respited

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32. WILLIAM ALDRIDGE was indicted for stealing, on the 29th of September , 1 box, value 6d.; 2 pairs of ear-rings, value 1l. 5s.; 2 snaps, value 3s.; 1 brooch, value 8s.; 1 ring, value 10s.; and 1 silver penny ; the goods of George Jackson .

MARY FRANCES JACKSON . I am the wife George Jackson ; I did live at No. 75, Golden-lane , and the prisoner lived there with his mother; I was removing from there to my present residence, the prisoner and his mother had removed before; he did not assist me in removing; on the evening of the day I removed, I missed my jewel-box, containing two pairs of ear-rings, worth 1l. 5s., two snaps, worth 2s. 6d., one silver penny, one gold mourning ring, and a brooch, but the the brooch has been returned to me; I had seen them safe in the drawer in my bed-room on the 29th of September, and we removed on the 30th; the room door was locked, but I found it ransacked.

HENRY BERESFORD . (police-sergeant G 8). I took the prisoner at Brompton, near Chatcham; I had been after him for some time, and I thought he might have enlisted for a soldier, which he had; I told him it was for taking a box of jewellery and some cages; as we were coming to London, he told me he had determined to speak the truth; he then said, the fact was, he was up stairs making a little cart, when his brother came up with the box, and said, "Look here Bill;" he said, he at first refused to have any thing to do with it, but at last he went and sold the box and its contents to an old woman in Chequer-alley; he did not say what the contents were, but he asked me if I had found a silver penny, as there was a silver penny which the old woman said she would never part with, but keep it as long as she lived; I had been to the old woman before, and found she had pawned the brooch in Goswell-street, but I did not find the penny; the woman has been convicted here; I found this watch on the prisoner.

Prisoner's Defence. I am quite innocent.

Samuel Evans , Thomas Oliver , and Mary Holmes , gave the Prisoner a good character.

GUILTY Of stealing the box . Aged 17.

33. WILLIAM ALDRIDGE was again indicted for stealing, on the 30th of September , 9 bird cages, value 4s.; and 3 stop boxes, value 2s. , the goods of George Jackson .

GEORGE JACKSON. I lost my bird cages and boxes when I left that house; I had seen them safe a fortnight before - there were nine cages and three boxes; these are some of the cages; I can swear to them, and this one box, which is the only one that has been found.

HENRY WADE . I bought these cages and this box of the prisoner - I am positive of his person; I gave him 8d. for two of them, and 6d. for one; he said he was in great distress, but he had been a bird-fancier, and had a great many left.

GUILTY. Aged 17. - Recommended to mercy by the Jury. - Judgment Respited .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-33
VerdictNot Guilty

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34. ELIZA NEWTON was indicted for stealing, on the 30th of October , 28 yards of lace, value £3; the goods of William Tinkler , and another .

THOMAS WILBERFORCE FOSTER . I am in the service of Mr. William Tinkler, and another, in Old Bond-street ; on the 30th of October, the prisoner came there about two o'clock; she asked to look at some lace - I showed her some, and she selected one, and pulled out the money to pay for it; I then saw a card of lace under her shawl - I took it from her, and said she ought to be ashamed of herself; she said it had fallen down; we let her go, but she was impudent; we called a policeman, who went and took her in charge; this is the lace; it is worth £3; I don't think it could have got under her shawl by accident.

WILLIAM ELLIS . (police-constable C 91.) I took the prisoner; I only found some money on her; she and her companion had left the shop; they had walked on to Piccadilly.

Prisoner. Q. Was not I standing by a woman who was selling combs? A. No; you were walking on; I said I wanted them for stealing some lace; they said,"Very well, we will go."

Prisoner's Defence (written). I asked a friend of mine to go with me to buy a little bit of lace; when we went into a shop, I fixed on a piece which measured three yards; I took my money out to pay for it, and at that moment, one of the shopmen took my friend into another room, telling her she had some lace about her; they searched her, and nothing was found upon her but money; they then told me to come, and they would search me, as they said I had got some under my shawl, but nothing was found but the money in my hand; they told us we had better go; I then asked for the lace I had bought, when he said we should not have it; we then accordingly went, and in Bond-street, were buying a comb; and while there, the shopman and a policeman came and told us we must both he searched; they took us back to the shop, but nothing was found upon us; they took us to Marlborough-street, and then I was committed. My Lord, I do declare I was sitting in the shop to pay for the lace I had bought.


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-34

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35. JAMES WILSON was indicted for stealing, on the 9th of November , 1 pair of shoes, value 7s. , the goods of Thomas Blizard .

THOMAS BLIZARD. I am a shoe-maker , and live in Holywell-street, Shoreditch ; between ten and eleven o'clock in the morning of the 9th of November, I was at my window at work; I saw a boy come up to my window, take a pair of shoes and run away with them - they were outside, but unless I put them out I should not sell them - I pursued the prisoner; the policeman took him - I lost sight of him, but I am sure he is the boy.

MATILDA HAWKINS . My father is a policeman; I was coming down Holywell-lane; I saw the prisoner take the shoes, cover them with his apron and run off with them; I ran after him and saw him caught.

JOHN SIMMONDS . (police-constable, 159 C.) I heard the alarm and saw the prisoner running; he was stopped by a stranger and I took him - the shoes are lost.

Prisoner's Defence. I heard a cry of "stop thief," I ran and was taken.

GUILTY . Aged 14 - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-35

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36. JOHN HAYNES was indicted for embezzlement .

MR. PHILLIPS conducted the prosecution.

BENJAMIN EVANS . I am second waiter to Mr. Taylor, I attend his lower coffee-room, in Titchbourn-street ; the prisoner was waiter to his up-stairs coffee-room; it was my duty to account to the prisoner for what money I received, twice every day - on the 28th of October, I gave him some money with this paper, with 1l. 4s. 0d. in silver and copper - it was the custom to give him a paper of this kind when I gave him any money - this paper I gave him on the 29th of October, with 1l. 11s. 0d. - and this paper on the 30th of October, with 1l. 7s. 9d. - these are all in my hand-writing - on the 31st of October, the prisoner went out soon after six o'clock in the morning and did not return till he was brought by the officer.

Cross-examined by MR. WHALESBY. Q. It was your duty to give the money you received from customers to the head waiter? A. Yes; I had to account to him twice a day - I understood he had the tradesmen to pay, but I had no particular knowledge of his duty - I made these memorandums a little before I gave him the money, then I counted the money in a saucer and delivered it to the prisoner - Mr. Taylor showed me these papers again on the night following, and said he was very happy that he had left the papers behind him - the dates on these papers were not written at the time I wrote the sums of money - they were written the evening the prisoner absconded - I saw him walk out of the house with a box on his shoulder and a trunk in his hand - I did not think there was anything suspicious in his going out - I used the word absconded because I heard the officer use it - I never gave money to my master, but settled with the prisoner - I never was in a coffee shop before; I had lived there three months - I had before been with Mr. Egan, in Blackfriars-road, as light porter - I believe there was at Mr. Taylor's a box called the waiter's-box with a hole in the top - I do not know what was the use of it but I had seen it in the bar, belonging to the room up-stairs - I do not know whether it was locked.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. You have used the term absconded did you expect him to return? A. Yes; he did not give me, or any one in the house the slightest intimation that he was going to High-Wycomb.

WILLIAM TAYLOR. The prisoner was in my service; he gave me no notice that he was about to leave me -

he was with me for three or four years - he never accounted to me for either of the sums mentioned by the last witness, which it was his duty to have done - I heard he had left on the 31st of October - I went to Titchbourn-street - I did not find the key in the till - I broke it open and found 2l. 0s. 6d. in silver, and 5s. 6 1/2d. in copper - my daughter had presided there - she was just turned seventeen years of age - I found she had also left - in consequence of information, I went on the 1st of November, to High-Wycomb; I found the prisoner there and my daughter - the prisoner is married and has four children - I collared him when I found him in a public-house, and made use perhaps of improper words, I said, "You d-d infernal villain where is the money you have robbed me of" - he said, "I have none of your money; I left it all in the till" - I said No you have not I am positive - he quickly replied, "You cannot swear that;" I gave him in charge, and brought my daughter to town with me - these memoranda were in a cup on a shelf, where the prisoner generally kept his papers.

Cross-examined. Q. He had been three or four years in your service? A. Yes; I knew him when he was in business for himself; he had been unfortunate, and applied to me, and I employed him - there was nothing to prevent him from taking these papers away; the till was in the counter, and could be taken out if it was unlocked - there is a box called the waiter's box; it was used for him to put his pence or perquisites in; he might put other things in, but not to my knowledge - that stood on the shelf close by where I found these papers - I had the prisoner and Evans, and two female servants in my employ - the prisoner had so much control of the other waiter, that if he had misconducted himself he would have complained of him to me - the prisoner had my place when I was out, but he had not to pay bills unless I gave orders; if the postman came he might have paid him; I left money for the newsman - on the Monday before this, I left 7l. with the prisoner, which he appropriated properly by paying 6l. 16s. 4d. out of it as I had directed him - I left money for the rent; he had paid 74l. about a month previous to this; and if it had been ten times that sum I should have left it with him - I could not have ascertained so correctly what money had been in the till had it not been for these papers, but I keep a cheque and could have told nearly what was deficient; the prisoner generally settled with me every night, but it was never longer than a week; I should always settle with him on the Sunday morning, though I might have received money of him three or four times in the week; there was no writing at the time of our settlement but what I chose to make in my own book; he paid for the muffins out of the money which he took, but on no occasion made any advances; they were not more than 1s. or 1s. 6d. a day; he made no advance to me - I may on two or three occasions, when I have been going out, have said to him, "Let me have two or three shillings, to save my going up stairs," which he has done, and put it down, and deducted it in his account the next day - the key of the till was found after I broke it open; I think my servant gave it me the next morning, the 1st of November - if she had the key she could certainly open the till - I do not know where the prisoner usually kept that key; I believe he sometimes put it in his box - I was never violent in my temper towards my daughter; I have expressed myself in violent terms to several persons since I have discovered this unhappy affair; I have not in her presence expressed myself so as to excite apprehension in her mind - I did not discover it till the 31st of October, when the prisoner and she absconded; I had not suspected it before - my daughter is not here to-day - she was with the prisoner when I found him at High Wycomb; I do not know whether she made any remark; if she did, I was too much agitated to hear it - I have never expressed to any one, my determination to be revenged on the prisoner for the wrong done to my daughter.

Q. Now, recollect Mr. Taylor; have you never said you would prosecute him for this wrong to your daughter, even if it cost you your life? A. I certainly should do so; I do not know that I used those words, but no doubt they imply my meaning, in answer to an observation about being lenient to the parties.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Had you your daughter educated at school? A. Yes; she had returned from school seven months ago, three weeks before her mother died; she had been at school thirteen or fourteen years - I never used harsh language towards her - I have expressed myself angrily towards the prisoner since I discovered this, but not towards my daughter.

ELIZABETH BUNDOCK . I am in the prosecutor's service - I did not see the prisoner leave, but I heard about seven o'clock in the morning of the 31st of October, that he had gone - I wrote to my master and he came in the evening - no one had access to the till before my master came; it was locked; I saw him break it open - I afterwards found the key in the waiter's box on the shelf up stairs; and when my master came I gave it him - I saw the prisoner on the evening before the 31st, in the bar up stairs - I saw him take 3l. in silver from the till; he said to the other servant, who was then up stairs, "I want you to fetch me two pennyworth of rum, and take this 3l. in silver, and bring me three sovereigns for it - and if you meet your master, say you are going for some rum, but do not say you are going for change" - I saw the girl return; she gave the prisoner the three sovereigns; he sounded them on the counter, put them into his purse, and put them into his pocket; that was from eight to nine o'clock.

Cross-examined. Q. What are you? A. Kitchenmaid; I am engaged up stairs, to assist the head-waiter in anything he wishes - the waiter's-box, in which I found the key, was not locked; the key was not concealed - I don't know whether it was usually kept there - when the prisoner went away, I took the place, and when the shop was shut, at night, I went to the box, from curiosity, to see how much I had had given me, and there I found the key; I had always before seen the prisoner lock the till, and put the key into his pocket; the other girl is not here - I did not go to look for the key when my master asked me where it was - I found the key between eleven and twelve o'clock, at night - Miss Taylor lived in that house; I waited upon her; I had not noticed any thing particular in her appearance, before she went away;

but I thought she was very lively in spirits the night before - I have lived there six months - I had seen the prisoner pay 1s. for muffins, or the like of that, but no more.

THOMAS DREW . I am an inspector of the police - the prisoner was brought to the station-house between eight and nine o'clock at night; the officer who brought him said, he had searched him; I searched him again, and found on him four sovereigns, and a half, 1l. 18s. 6d. in silver, and 5d. in copper.

Prisoner's Defence. I paid money to different tradespeople; and the prosecutor has vouchers to prove it; he did not leave me any 7l. at all - I laid out these sums in his business.

WILLIAM TAYLOR. I left the 7l. on the Monday morning before, previous to my going to my other house in the City - I ordered him to pay the newsman his week's account; and to get 5l. worth of coke, and pay for it.

GUILTY . Aged 32. - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-36

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37. MARY SMITH was indicted for stealing, on the 21st October , 7 napkins, value 3s.; 1 frock, value 2s.; 1 sheet, value 1s.; 1 shawl, value 6d.; 1 pillow-case, value 3d.; 1/2 a yard of muslin, value 6d.; 1 towel, value 2d.; and 1 bottle, value 2d. ; the goods of Richard Gittens .

RICHARD GITTENS . I am a brushmaker , and live at No. 112, Bunhill-row . The prisoner lived with me, as nurse ; to my wife - on a Sunday, in October, she asked me for 1 1/2d. to fetch the mangling things; I gave her the money, and she went and got the articles stated, but did not bring them home - she came back between eleven and twelve o'clock, rather in liquor; and said, she had received a letter, at a gin-shop, and had been forced to spend the 1 1/2d. in gin, and could not get the mangling things - on the following morning I gave her two penny-pieces when I went out - and when I came home in the evening, she had not returned - we then missed these articles - I can swear to this sheet, this pillow-case, this towel. and this little napkin.

Prisoner. Have you found anything in your own room, since I have been gone, which you swore to? Witness. Yes; some muslin in the table-drawer; but nothing else.

CHARLOTTE HOLLAND . I live in Blue-anchor-alley. The prisoner wrote a letter for me twelve months ago - on the Monday stated, the prisoner met me, and asked me to do her the favour, to pawn these things, for her, for 8d., and I took them to Mrs. Turner's; she said, they were her own.

LOUISA TURNER . On Monday, the 21st of October, Charlotte Holland left these things, with me, and asked for 8d. for them; she said they were her own; we keep a general sale-shop, and if poor people want their things back, we let them have them, for a small profit.

HENRY BERESFORD (police-sergeant G 8). I found the prisoner intoxicated in the corner of a room in No. 3, King-court; I told her she was charged with stealing some things, she said, "I believe, I took them, but I can get them out if Mr. Gittens will pay me my wages."

Prisoner. He has not told you a word of truth; he did not tell me what he came for; but in going along, I told him, that if Mr. Gittens would pay me, he could take his property.

RICHARD GITTENS . I never agreed to give her any money - she came when my wife was confined, and offered to set up a few nights; and if she had staid till my wife got up, we should have done the best we could for her; for two or three days after she was gone I considered this as a drunken frolic; she is very fond of drink, and when she gets some, she must have a drop more, let it come from where it will.

GUILTY . Aged 49. - Confined One Month .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-37
VerdictNot Guilty

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38. RICHARD ROBERTS was indicted for stealing, on the 22nd of October , 1 pair of scales and beams, value 3s. , the goods of George Moss .

ELIZABETH MOSS . I am the wife of George Moss - we live in the Curtain-road . We lost these scales off our counter, on the 22nd of October, they are worth 3s.; I did not see the prisoner till he was at the office.

THOMAS GLOVER . I live in the Curtain-road. On the 22nd of October I was in Blue-anchor-alley - I saw the prisoner and some other boys; the prisoner had these scales - I suspected he had stolen them, and I took him to the station-house.

Prisoner. Another boy gave them to me. Witness. I did not see that; but another boy was wiping some snuff out of them.


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-38
VerdictNot Guilty

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Fifth Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Sergeant Arabin.

39. WILLIAM FORD was indicted for feloniously receiving, on the 22nd of September , 1 barrel, value 3s.; the goods of James Richmond , well knowing it to have been stolen .

JOHN RATCLIFF . I live with Mr. James Richmond , he is a cooper , and lives at No. 1, Vincent-street, Shoreditch; he lost a barrel, on the 22nd of November - Thomas White, who pleaded guilty, this morning, was seen to take it - I have known the prisoner twenty months; he is a hair-dresser , and lives in Willow-walk ; the barrel is my master's.

LEONARD ADAMS (police-constable G 222). I was on duty, between ten and eleven o'clock, on the night in question - I met White with the barrel; he went down Willow-walk, stopped opposite the prisoner's house, and rolled the barrel into his house - I suspected it was stolen, and went to make inquiry at the cooper's; when White got to the prisoner's house he knocked at the door, and the prisoner looked out at the window, and White said,"I have got a barrel, or a tub," and the prisoner, or some one else, came down and opened the door, and let White in with the barrel - we found the barrel at the prisoner's house; he said, it had been left there, till the morning, by some person.

WILLIAM BARROW (police-constable G 158). I went to the house of the prisoner, and knocked a considerable time, and could not get admittance - the last witness got through another house and let us in - we found this

barrel there; the prisoner was up-stairs; we had knocked for three-quarters of an hour.

JOHN SHEPHERD (police-sergeant G 9). I went up stairs and found the prisoner - he said, a man had brought the barrel to stay till the morning, which was a very frequent case.


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-39

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40. MARY MULLINS was indicted for stealing, on the 23rd of November , 4 gowns, value 32s.; 3 pair of stockings, value 3s.; 3 petticoats, value 8s.; 2 handkerchiefs, value 4s.; 2 shifts, value 4s.; 2 collars, value 3s.; 4 caps, value 4s.; 2 aprons, value 1s. 6d.; and 1 candlestick, value 2s.; the goods of George Humble , her master .

ELEANOR HUMBLE . I am the wife of George Humble ; we keep the Northumberland Arms, Tottenham-court-road . The prisoner had lived with us two months; on the 20th of October, I packed up these clothes to wash, and on the morning of the 21st, the prisoner left our house, with the linen, without notice - she was a yearly servant , and had drawn the best part of her wages - she had let the washer-woman in that morning, and then gone off with the bundle; but I was not up - I have found the greater part of my property since.

RICHARD ROBINS . I am a constable. The prosecutor informed me of this, and I went to the Castle public-house, City-road, where we found the prisoner - I charged her with this robbery; she denied it - the prosecutor was with me - she went up stairs, as she said, to get her bonnet and shawl; I followed her - she took some things off the bed, and said they were all the clothes she had - I looked under the bed and found a box in which these things were; she denied it being her box; but I called the master, who said, it was not his box, and the prisoner did not deny it being hers after that - the box was locked; the prisoner would not give me the key of it, but I got a key from the landlady, which opened it - I found these two handkerchiefs and two caps, in her bosom; there were other clothes in the box.

ELEANOR HUMBLE . These are all my property except this one handkerchief.

Prisoner's Defence. I lived two months in her house, and as I had lost some thing in her house, I would not stay there.

GUILTY . Aged 20. - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-40

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41. WILLIAM MAPP was indicted for stealing, on the 24th of October , 1 cash-box, value 2s.; 6 sovereigns; 8 half-sovereigns; 1 crown; 18 half-crowns; 9 shillings; 2 sixpences; 1 £100, 2 £50, 1 £20, and 23 £10, bank notes; 1 £30, 1 £10, 1 £4 10s., promissory notes, and 2 bills of exchange, for £56 10s. 6d., and £40 10s., the property of John Durley , his master , against the statue.

SUSAN STANMERS . I am in the service of the prosecutor, he lives at No. 84, Well-street, Oxford-street ; he is a cabinet-maker ; the prisoner was his porter , for more than three years; it was his duty to shut up shop - on the 24th of October, he came about ten minutes past nine o'clock to close the shutters of the front shop; I asked him to take me up a pitcher of water to the second floor front room, which he did; he then came down wished us a good night, and we heard the door open and shut - soon afterwards there came a ring at the bell, we went up and heard a noise up stairs; I went up stairs to the second floor front room, but no one was there; I came out and the door was shut too - I screamed out - my mistress came up- we went into the room, and found the secretary broken open, and a cash-box was gone - I ran out, and met my master, and told him what had happened; he came home, and found the prisoner in the house.

JOHN DURLEY . I live in the house. The last witness met me and told me what had happened; I went to the second floor, and found the secretary broken open, and the cash-box gone; I went down to the first floor; I then found two policemen, one of them on the floor with his hand under the bed; he said, "I have got the thief;" he dragged the prisoner out, and I exclaimed, "Good God! it is William;" the prisoner said, "Yes it is;" he was carried into the next room, and I said to him, "Where is the cash-box; he said, "Don't be in a hurry, don't be alarmed it is in the house;" I said, "Where it is;" and the policeman said, "If you don't like to say where it is, point," and he pointed under a chair; the policeman stooped and took up this box, and gave it me; I opened it and found the cash all safe, and the notes.

HENRY ROBINSON (police-constable E 46). I was sent for to the prosecutors, and what has been stated is correct; I found the prisoner under the bed in the back-room first-floor; this is the box.

JAMES MILLAR (police-serjeant E 3). I was sent for; I told the prisoner to point where the box was; he pointed to a chair where it was; I found this chisel on the prisoner, and it exactly fits four marks on the secretary.

Prisoner's Defence. I hope you will take my case into your consideration, as my contrition will be as sincere, as my sentence is lenient.

GUILTY . Aged 27. - Transported for Fourteen years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-41

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42. MARY WARD was indicted for stealing, on the 24th of October , 18 yards of kerseymere, value 3s. the goods of James Bream Lancaster , and others .

JAMES NICHOLS . I am in the service of James Bream Lancaster, he lives at No. 12, High Holborn , he has two partner s. On the 24th of October, the prisoner came to the shop alone; she asked to see some kerseymere, which my fellow shopman showed her; I did not see her come in, but I saw her in the shop, and I saw her take the remnant of kerseymere while my fellow shopman was gone to the till; the prisoner did not see me; I went behind another counter; I waited about a minute; I then jumped over the counter; I took hold of her arms, and held them tight; I believe the kerseymere was under her left arm; I took her into the middle of the shop; I then released her arm, and the kerseymere fell from under her cloak; I called my employer and got the officer - she at first denied that she had it, but afterwards she acknowledged it, and begged my employer to forgive her.

WILLIAM PRATT (police-constable C 130). I was called in; the prisoner was charged with stealing this

article; she begged for mercy; here is the other piece which she had bought.

Prisoner's Defence (written). I confess I did go to the prosecutor's shop, and purchase half a yard of brown cloth, and paid 2s. 9d. for the same, and was only waiting for 3d. out of 3s., when I was charged with taking the kerseymere. I declare before God, and you, gentlemen, I did not see it, until it was found upon the floor, near the spot I then stood; how it came there I cannot account for.

GUILTY . Aged 30. - Confined Six Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-42

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43. WILLIAM MILLS was indicted for stealing, on the 26th of October , 1 carpet bag, value 8s. the goods of William Lowley .

WILLIAM LOWLEY. I live at No. 6, Bear-street, Leicester-Square . On the 26th of October, about a quarter before six o'clock in the evening; I was told something; I ran out, and saw the prisoner running off with this bag, which had been taken from my shop; I followed him; he threw it down; I took it up and still pursued him; I took him in three minutes without losing sight of him.

JOSEPH OSTELL . I am an officer; I took the prisoner.

GUILTY . Aged 18. - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-43

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OLD COURT. Friday, November 29, 1833.

Second Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Sergeant Arabin.

44. MARY ARNO was indicted for stealing, on the 16th of November , 1 handkerchief, value 2s. 6d. , the goods of Jacob Russell .

JACOB RUSSELL. I am a pawnbroker , and live at No. 10, Shoreditch . This handkerchief hung inside the door on the 16th of November, - at night, Schofield brought the prisoner into my shop, and said she had stolen something, and this handkerchief was taken out of her bosom- I knew nothing of her before.(Property produced and sworn to.)

THOMAS SCHOFIELD . I am an officer. - I was standing at the edge of the court, right facing Mr. Russell's door - I saw the prisoner and a girl together; I saw them both unpin the handkerchief - I was going up to prevent them, and saw the prisoner put something into her bosom; she was just turning from the door, and I laid hold of her - I found the handkerchief in her bosom.

Prisoner's Defence. I was outside the door - I did not do it.

GUILTY . Aged 17. - Confined Six Weeks .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-44
VerdictsGuilty; Guilty
SentencesTransportation; Transportation

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45. JOHN DAVIS was indicted for stealing, on the 26th of October , 1 work-box, value 60s., the goods of John Taylor Jarvis and another .

JOHN TAYLOR JARVIS JUN. I am the son of John Taylor Jarvis. I am in partnership with him - we are surgeon s, and live in Hart-street, Bloomsbury - on the 26th of October, about half-past two o'clock in the afternoon, I met the prisoner near my father's house, coming out with this box; he was just coming off the steps - my father came behind and said, "There goes a man with a box" - he gave it to me, and I gave it to my father - the prisoner ran off; I pursued, and Mahoney overtook him - I never lost sight of him.

TIMOTHY MAHONEY . I was passing the prosecutor's door, and saw the prisoner come off the steps - the witness took the box from him; the father called "Stop thief" - I pursued and took him in Museum-street.

GUILTY . Aged 22. - Transported for Seven Years .

46. JOHN DAVIS was again indicted for stealing, on the 20th of October , 1 watch, value 4l.; 1 seal, value 7s.; 1 watch-key, value 4s., and 1 watch-chain, value 1s. , the goods of Robert Heritage .

MOORIS NICHOLAS . I took the prisoner into custody on the last charge - I searched him, and found this watch on him; I asked how he came possessed of it - he said it was his own, and he had worn it two years and a half - I am certain of that.

HARRIETT HERITAGE . I am the wife of Robert Heritage , and live in Regent-street . The house in let out in chambers - the street door is always open - this is my husband's watch and seals; they were lost from the housekeeper's room, on the ground floor on the 26th of October; I had seen it there at eight o'clock in the morning; I missed it about nine or half-past nine o'clock- I know nothing of the prisoner.

Prisoner. I am perfectly innocent.

GUILTY . Transported for Seven Years more .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-45
VerdictGuilty > manslaughter

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47. EDWARD MURPHY was indicted for the wilful murder of Edward Thompson .

MR. CRESSWELL conducted the prosecution.

CHARLES JAMES COX . I am assistant to Mr. Hammond, a surgeon, at Whetstone. On the 9th of July, I saw Edward Thompson at Mr. Harrison's - I was at the post mortem examination; there was an external bruise on the head of the deceased: I found extravasation of blood internally on the dura mater, and a small quantity of blood in the lower ventricle - the face was bruised slightly, and there was a bruise on the arm, and one on the groin - there was a bruise on the back of the head, a little above the ear; that bruise must have been done by a weapon - I should say he died from extravasation of blood - the wound on the back of the head would cause that.

JOHN HARRISON . I am surgeon and live at Whetstone . I attended the deceased Thompson during his life-time after the fight, and found him in a state of total insensibility; he continued in that state up to the time of his death; he never recovered his senses at all - he died on Thursday morning, the 11th of July, about one o'clock; I examined him after his death - on the skull being separated, the dura mater was thoroughly healthy - I next saw some extravasated blood coagulated; and found four vessels on the brain had burst, three on one hemisphere, and one on the other; they were superficial small vessels - there was a bruises on one eye, and much swollen, and it had the appearance of having been lanced; there were a few slight bruises on the left parietal bone, and a slight scratch; I saw no

bruise on the back of the head - I took great pains to examine, and the head was shaved previously to that; I conceive that I must have seen it if there was one - there was a bruise on the arm - in my opinion the bursting of the blood vessels was the cause of his death: and I should imagine a fall caused the bursting of the blood vessels - I think a fall, or a scuffle, or a fight, would occasion the rupture of the blood vessels.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. This is not the first time you have been examined on the subject? A. No, once before; on that occasion I stated that as there was no appearance of sufficient violence externally; I imagined it must be a fall; and that is my opinion now; there was no external violence; I took great pains to examine; there was a slight bruise on the left parietal bone, but that was of no importance; I heard Mr. Cox examined on the former occasion; he stated there was a bump raised up on the back of the head from a blow - and said he could not see it before, through the hair being on the head, but he distinctly felt it with his fingers; I swear there was no appearance of that sort - Mr. Cox did not see the deceased before I did; he had been in my presence perhaps four hours before; I did not do anything to make a bump on the head - I applied a blister to the nape of the neck, which many of the Coroner's jury, I think, mistook for a wound; I saw no bump; in my opinion, there was none; I am not a member of the college of surgeons; I have practised for sixteen years or more, in London and Whetstone, as a general practitioner; I have not been in the habit of practising upon animals; my father was a veterinary surgeon, and that has caused the impression that I attended cattle; I bled him with a lancet and with leeches, and opened the temporal artery previous to Mr. Cox seeing him; it is impossible to say how much blood I took, because the blood was extravasated; I did not take more than three or four ounces from the arteries, but it was not caught, measured, or weighed, it ran about; I did not take more than ten - I can guess an ounce; I bled from the temporal artery, till the blood no longer discharged itself; I did not take a pint from the artery - I never weighed blood; I should think there are sixteen or eighteen ounces in a pint; we measure blood twelve ounces by the pound, fluid measure - not ale and beer measure, but apothecaries weight; I bled him in the right arm, in the brachial vein - I recollect that from the position the man laid in the surgery - he laid on his back; I took about three pints of blood from the arm, as near as I can guess - two pints at first, and more afterwards; I then staid an hour or two, and took about ten ounces more.

COURT. Q. How many ounces altogether? A. Not so much as sixty; I took from the arm about three pints, and about four ounces from the artery.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. And you average eighteen or twenty ounces of blood to a pound; was all that taken in one day? A. All in one afternoon, within four hours; and I think he had five leeches besides, they might take about two ounces; I believe the leeches were applied after the lancet - they were good leeches; the man bled as freely with the last blood I took, as the first; I cannot account for the leeches taking only two ounces; he was bled and leeched again afterwards - not by my orders; it was the next morning; twice the quantity of blood would not cause death in a man of his constitution.

Q. Why, that would be one hundred and thirty-two ounces? A. I did not say that; it was not taken at once; he lived from the Tuesday evening, until Thursday morning at one o'clock; I attribute his death to the extravasated blood, and nothing else; I should think a man who had been fighting for a long time, would be in a state of considerable exhaustaion; and he was in a state of exhaustion when I applied my remedies.

Q. Can you undertake to say he did not die from your remedy, instead of from disease? A. I can; not from my remedy; Mr. Evans operated on him; Hammond saw him - I don't know whether he operated; and Mr. Cox saw him - that was all after me; I saw leeches being applied to him afterwards, by Hammond's orders.

Q. Will you undertake to state on your oath, on the best of your judgment, that from all the appearances on the man, he might not have met his death from a weapon? A. Certainly I will; Mr. Cox knows nothing at all about it - certainly, Mr. Cox at the last examination, alledged that I killed the man; I have said nothing further here, than I did before - I did not say I took sixty six ounces of blood from him; Mr. Hammond is a surgeon of Whetsone - he is a man of considerable experience - he is not here, nor was he here before; he gave evidence on the inquest.

MR. CRESSWELL. Q. Was the extravasation of blood on the brain produced by the bleeding? A. No; it could not be.

MR. CLARKSON to MR. COX. Q. Did you bleed the deceased at all? A. No; nor anybody in my presence besides the last witness - I don't know of his having been bled; I don't know the quantity of blood which he took from him; the individual would have died whether he had been bled to that extent or not - I saw the bump, and Mr. Evans did, or rather felt it - a person examining the man accurately, could not have missed observing it - I should think nobody could have mistaken the bump for the remains of a blister on the nape of the neck.

COURT to MR. HARRISON. Q. In your judgment, was the operation of bleeding proper to prevent any flow of blood to the brain? A. It was; I was aware of the bursting of a vessel, and did it to prevent that - I told Mr. Cox so when he came into my shop - I did it to try to remove the pressure of blood on the brain.

FREDERICK TOMKINS . I am a carman, and live at No. 1, Middlesex-mews, Marylebone. I was present at the fight on the 9th of July; I was only a spectator - there were several rounds fought; I cannot particularly say how many - the persons fighting were Edward Thompson , and Michael Murphy ; the prisoner was there; I cannot say what he had to do with the fight, except that he acted as the brother of Michael Murphy - in several things he acted as he ought not to have done in it - from the first to the third, or it might be the fourth round - it was a fair stand-up fight, man for man; but from that Thompson appeared to be the best man - Ready was one of Michael Murphy's seconds, and the

other man was unknown to me; there was a great many people at the fight - after the third round, there was not fair play to Thompson by any means - I don't mean to say that there was any foul play on the part of the seconds; it was merely the multitude that stood round of the Irish - nothing took place to interrupt the fight, no further than pushing in, and shoving them up to the further part of the ring which I considered the highest ground - the ring was not particularly broken, it was shoved from one part to the other; the ring was kept good enough, except that Michael Murphy wished to give in - he gave in; I considered him to give in twice for at the time Ready was wiping him down the face; (with his hand over his left shoulder, wiping the blood from his face,) he looked over his shoulder to his brother, and said in a faint voice, "I shall fight no more;" I stood close to him; he said so to the prisoner, and the prisoner stepped across his knee, clapped his hands together two or three times, and said, "Halloo, you b-r, you can beat two such as him; you shall fight him" I then said to the seconds of Thompson, "Now the fight is yours;" and at that time I was knocked down and kicked in a scandalous manner, and was senseless; I lost several rounds which I did not see; when I came to myself they were fighting the last round but one; both men appeared then as fresh as they were at the first round, and at the last round they both fought manfully; they were both exhausted, but I don't consider it was by fighting; it was more by the pressure of the crowd - Murphy hit Thompson on the front of his head and caused a fall, but I don't think it was such a blow as would cause a fall, it was more by exhaustion; the fight ended there, for he fell back at that time on a turf of grass which was rather rising - Thompson was senseless after falling on that turf; but I examined the turf afterwards, and there was no stone in it; but it was on a rising a little more than the rest of the grass - he gave a sort of wrench of his neck, and was then senseless - I moved him out of the ring with the seconds, who placed him on their knees, and Thomas Ready came forwards to render every assistance immediately.

Cross-examined by MR. BODKIN. Q. What are you, a carman? A. Yes; I have changed my business since I was here last; I did not tell you then I was a costermonger; I drive my own cart - I went to the fight, and took fourteen persons with me - I went to carry people there who employed me to take them to see the fight - I was there casually; I did not go there to see the fight; I was hired to go there; I went for my living - I cannot say that I feel no pleasure in such things; I went there to earn my living - I cannot say how many prize-fights I have attended in the last two years; I will swear I have not attended three.

Q. Tell me what you call prize-fights? A. I have not been to three prize-fights; I have not been to any fights at all in particular - I might have seen two fights, but I have not seen three - I swear I have not been to more than three fights of any kind for the last two years.

Q. Do you know how many rounds were fought in the battle altogether? A. I don't know; I did not take particular notice - I don't know how long the fight lasted; I do not know whether it lasted one or two hours - I have never been charged with the commission of any offence; I was never in my life charged with stealing dead bodies, nor ever accused of it, nor anything else - I saw the last two rounds fought; he appeared as fresh then as before - there was a good deal of crowding towards the persons fighting; I saw a number of people break into the ring with sticks in their hands - I saw no sticks used; I saw no blows struck, no further than I received myself, and I did not see who it was - I received the blow with a stick, and was dreadfully kicked; that is what I call foul play - I saw nothing on the part of the seconds except trying to keep the ring clear; endeavouring to keep them from interrupting the fight - the men who broke in the ring, were all huddled together; that is, in as close a compass as we are here; and there was a good deal of confusion during the last round - blows might have been struck at the last round with the sticks without my seeing it - both of them appeared quite fresh, but he was exhausted by the pressure of the crowd about him.

Q. Being fresh in the last round, did it not appear to you that his insensibility was caused by something which happened to him suddenly in the last round? A. It might not have happened in the last round, but he never spoke afterwards - his antagonist struck him a faint blow - it was not sufficient to knock him down - I consider that something had struck him before he received that blow - the blow was not sufficient to knock him down, nor was there any stone in the grass - I consider he must have received a blow from a stick before the faint blow which knocked him down.

MR. CRESSWELL. Q. You did not see any blows struck with a stick? A. I did not.

GEORGE LONG . I am a farrier, and live at No. 62, Market-street, Paddington. I was present at the fight at Whetstone - the prisoner was there - Thompson and Murphy were fighting - I did not interfere in the fight - I saw the prisoner Murphy acting as second to his brother Michael - the fight was not a fair one - the mob broke the ring - Thompson seemed the strongest man - a great many of the mob had sticks - I was near enough to the ring to see what was going forwards - I do not know how many rounds were fought - at the last round but one the men appeared in fighting condition - they did so in the last round - the deceased was kicked in the last round by Mulany, in the groin - I saw a blow struck in the back of his head; in the second round there was a bit of a scrummage up at the right hand corner - the ring was not broken in then but there was a bit of a scrummage - it was the second round after the fight began that Mulany struck him with a blackthorn stick - Mulany was taken and tried for this and acquitted; I saw the deceased fall at the last round - I believe, it was the kick that was the cause of that fall, as far as I can describe.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. He fell from the kick did he? A. No; he fell from the throw and was kicked afterwards - it was not very much of a throw - I did not hear Tomkin's evidence - he fell through the throw - Murphy threw him - it was not from a blow -

I am quite sure he did not fall from a blow - it was a throw, for they were both down together - nobody could have mistaken that for a blow - I was one of the casual spectators - I went down there - the seconds, as far as I saw, conducted the fight fairly - the mob outside broke in - I did not go among the seconds - a good many of the mob had sticks, and broke in at the last round and created confusion - they used the sticks in the last round; the seconds and men fighting had no means of resisting the mob - some of the people were taller than me - I could not see over people's heads - I was about the middle, in the thick of the mob - I had no stick - the greater part of them had blackthorn sticks - in the last round they broke into the ring and used the sticks - I did not see the deceased hit - I was close against him when he fell, as they were all wrestling about - I saw him kicked after he was down, by Mulany - that was after he was down the last time; Mulany had a stick in his hand when he kicked him, and was near enough to strike him with the stick - it was not possible to resist this influx of persons without; who rushed in with sticks; if it had not been for that, the fight was conducted fairly; except what Mulany did.

MR. CRESSWELL. Q. Notwithstanding the ring being broken in, did not Thompson and Murphy continue striking each other blows? A. Yes; until the last round - Michael Murphy is dead since.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. He did not die from any injury received in the fight? A. I cannot say.

WILLIAM TOUCHBURY . I am constable of North-end, Finchley. I was present at the fight at Whetstone, on the 9th of July - the first six or seven rounds which I saw, I thought to be as fair a fight as I ever saw; after that I saw the rounds all fought in the right hand corner; and I saw parties with their sticks flourishing; but (I being a lone officer there) I dare not interfere and did not go on that side of the way, as I saw there was danger, and I had nobody to take my part; but I saw no blows struck myself, because I dare not go nearer to see it - I had heard a fight was to take place and went.

Cross-examined by MR. BODKIN. Q. Your attention was directed to the first six or seven rounds? A. After I got there; I was fetched there, and had my staff and handcuffs in my pocket - I looked at the fight the same as the spectators - I saw nobody strike one of the men in the second round - I was looking on - I considered the first six or seven rounds fair - I did not see anybody strike one of the men on the back of the head; there were so many sticks and the ring was broken in - the men with sticks were all round them; but I kept as near the outside the ring as I could; for I saw things unpleasant to myself; and pickpockets about; but I dare not go nearer, when I saw the sticks in the air I could not see the fighting men.

Prisoner's Defence. My Lord and gentlemen of the jury, I knew my brother was going to fight; I immediately went to him, and told him not to fight but mind his work; he said Thompson had repeatedly insulted him, and challenged him, and he was determined to see who was the best man; I then left him and never saw him till the day of the fight at Whetstone; and when I got there the ring was formed; and I endeavoured to persuade him again, but he answered me as before; about the middle of the fight, Thompson's second, crossed the ring and tried to throw the man down; I accused him of it and he abused me; I went away, and at the latter and of the fight, I saw them both fall down, and Thompson's head fell against the ground; I went and endeavoured to recover Thompson by throwing water in his face; I got brandy, and asked the seconds if they would give him that, and they said they had some; I left him and went to Finchley where my brother was gone; I looked in at the doctor's shop at Whetstone; the shop was full of people; I asked the doctor how he was, he said he was a good deal better, but he must have air; I requested the people to leave the shop and come out with me, and saw no more of him.

THOMAS READY . In July last, I was at a fight at Whetstone, in which Michael Murphy and Edward Thompson were the principals - I was one of Murphy's seconds; the prisoner did not second him - he never had any active part at all in it - I was tried for this offence, and convicted of manslaughter, and sentenced to two months imprisonment - Ray and Berwick were the seconds to Thompson; I do not know the name of Murphy's other second - I attended on Murphy as my principal through the fight; the prisoner never troubled himself at all - the prisoner never made use of the expression, "You shall fight, you b - r; you can fight two such fellows," or language of that sort.

A. Do you happen to know whether the prisoner endeavoured to dissuade his brother from fighting? A. He never troubled himself, but he was in the ring, and hustled about with the others - I do not know whether he endeavoured to dissuade his brother from fighting; he took no part whatever in the fight, except being in the ring while it was going on - it was a fair fight as far as the combatants and seconds were concerned; but the ring was broken in nineteen times out of twenty by the mob, and some of the persons used sticks to keep the people back; they kept the ring; they beat them back with the sticks to keep the ring clear - some of the mob outside had sticks; they used them to break the ring - it was not possible to keep off the mob.

MR. CRESSWELL. Q. Do you know Tomkins? A. I have seen him; I did not see Tomkins knocked down; if he had been knocked down I might not have seen it; it was impossible; the ring was so confused with Thompson's party, and likewise Murphy's - the spectators broke in at all parts; the ring not being a ropering, it was impossible for me to see if he was knocked down, because I was attending on my man - the mob broke in about the seventh round, to my best recollection - Murphy was the best man up to that time; Murphy did not express any willingness to cease from fighting; I swear that, being his second, I must know if Murphy said he wanted to give in; I consider I must have known it as his second - Murphy never wished to give in.

Robert Thompson , house-painter and decorator; William King , smith, of No. 18, Oxford-buildings; Charles O'Grady , of No. 20, Oxford-buildings, boot and shoe-maker; Samuel Haines , smith, of Oxford-buildings; Michael Roach , of No. 20, Oxford-buildings, plasterer; John Slater , whip

maker, and John Dunn , coal-dealer, of Oxford-buildings, gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY of Manslaughter only . Aged 28 - Confined Two Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-46
VerdictNot Guilty

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48. HENRY CANNON , JOHN SHURETY , and THOMAS WILLOUGHBY were indicted for feloniously assaulting Mary Keat , on the 16th of November , putting her in fear, and taking from her person and against her will, 1 shawl, value 6d.; 1 pocket, value 2d.; 3 shillings, and 8 sixpences, her property .

MARY KEAT. I am a widow , and live in Flask-walk, Hampstead . I get my living by washing and ironing - I remember returning home from work on Saturday week about twenty minutes before twelve o'clock in the evening - (to the best of my knowledge) I met three men - I was in Heath-street - Flask-walk leads into Heath-street; each of them had a basket on his head - I had a basket on my arm, with my lanthorn and a stick; I carry my provisions for the day in my basket; the lanthorn was in my hand when I met the men; they were walking one after the other; the first man passed me; the second man, I think passed me; to the best of my knowledge the third man kicked the lanthorn out of my hand, and shoved me rather on the reel; I was almost ready to fall- I went to try to catch my lanthorn, and he knocked me backwards into the street; after I came to myself, I got up, and then I missed my lanthorn, and my pattens flew from my feet, and my stick from my hand - I saw my basket lying down; I was a great while before I found my stick; I found my pattens; and on feeling about for my other things, I picked up my pocket, thinking it was my shawl, but I found it was my pocket - I missed a shawl; before the men came up I had my pocket about me; it was tied round my waist - I think it contained three shillings and eight sixpences; the pocket was made fast round my waist- I missed my shawl; I had it on my shoulders before the men came up; it was fastened by two pins - I did not get my shawl again - as I came along I felt my money safe in my pocket, before they came up; I did not feel a pull at my shawl or pocket; I was down; I do not know anything that passed while I was down - I did not know any of the three men then - I know them all now: they were all brought up in the parish from childhood, but I did not know any of them then - they took me at such a disadvantage, I did not know them - the Inspector sent for me afterward to say he had got the men - I could not exactly swear they were the same men that came up to me; I cannot swear to them; I know them all, because they were born and bred in the parish; Willoughby keeps a green grocer's shop; the other two sell fish - I cannot take on myself to swear that any one of them were the men who came up to me.

Cross-examined by MR. BODKIN. Q. I believe after this you went to a public-house? A. Yes; to Mr. Pilcher's, and I got something to drink - there was only a halfpenny left in my pocket; the public-house was the first place I went to after this; I had some gin at Mr. Pilcher's - a woman outside saw me crying, and lent me a shilling to go and change - I told Mr. Pilcher I had been robbed, but did not say by whom; that was soon after I was robbed - it happened no great distance from Pilcher's - Cunningham's the butcher's is a little lower - I afterwards saw the prisoners on Wednesday evening - before I saw them the constable told me he had got the men - I am sure Willoughby was not the man.

THOMAS SMITH . I am a lamp-lighter at Hampstead. I know the prisoners, they live at Hampstead - I remember seeing them last Saturday week, in Heath-street, Hampstead, at a quarter before twelve o'clock at night; they were going towards Hampstead-heath - I was running - I was not running to light the lamps - they were walking - I remember turning Mr. Watson's corner - they were walking one before the other; Willoughby walked first - he had a basket on his head; Shurety walked next - he had a basket on his head or shoulder; Cannon was the last - he had nothing on his head - after passing Cannon I kicked against a lanthorn; I called out to Shurety, "You have dropped your lanthorn, Jack;" he made me no answer - neither of the others spoke; Cannon appeared tipsy; I picked up the lanthorn - I saw an old lady lying down in the road; I picked up the lanthorn, and the old lady said, "Pray do not kick my lanthorn, sir, look how ill they have used me;" I put the lanthorn by the side of the old lady on the pavement - I went on; when I passed the prisoners they were laughing; I believe it was Shurety and Cannon - when I picked up the lanthorn they had turned the corner, and must have been twenty yards from the old lady when I saw her - I did not speak to her at first; she spoke to me when I kicked the lanthorn; the prisoners were about twenty yards off.

Cross-examined. Q. Which way were you coming, down the hill, or going up? A. Down the hill, in the High-street; it was a dark night; I did not take particular notice - I know Mr. Pilcher's gin-shop, one or two houses there stand back; the road does not turn to the right till after you pass Pilcher's - I was not many steps from Pilcher's when I saw Willoughby, I was very near it - Willoughby was the foremost of the three men- I was close to him - as I turned the corner, he turned the corner; he came close to me; as I turned they turned; I was coming down from the hill and met them - there is a place called Brewhouse-lane - Willoughby lives at the bottom of Brewhouse-lane - the turning he took would lead him to his own house - I had no conversation with him.

WILLIAM HAGGS . I am a policeman. In consequence of information, I went to the Nag's Head, public-house, Hampstead, in Heath-street, about half-past ten o'clock, on the night of Wednesday, the 20th (I did not hear of this till the Sunday afternoon) I saw Henry Cannon and John Shurety in the tap-room; I said, "Cannon, I want you, you must go with me," and, turning to Shurety, I said, "And you too, Shurety;" Cannon said, "Where to?" I said, "To the station-house;" he said, "Well, let us drink up our beer, and we will go;" they had a full pint of porter between them, and they came out with me and a constable - I took charge of Cannon, and gave Shurety in charge of Ruggles, S. 48, who had gone with me - on coming out Cannon asked, what charge I had against him; I told him, I would tell him when I

got to the station-house - when I got to the station-house, I told them both, I charged them on suspicion of having knocked down old Mrs. Cutter, on Saturday night last, and robbing her of 7s. and a shawl; they both said they knew nothing about it - I searched Cannon, and Shurety was searched; nothing was found on either of them - I went the same night to Willoughby's house; I saw him; he looked out of window; I believe he was in bed - I asked, if his name was Willoughby, and he told me, and I told him I must take him into custody on suspicion of being one of three who knocked down and robbed old Mrs. Cutter, on Saturday night last - he seemed much surprised when I said she had been robbed, and said, he did not do it; that it was Cannon did it - I said,"Well, I must take you to the station-house, at all events;" his wife was out at the time; he requested I would wait till she came home, which would be in a few minutes - I then took him to the station-house; after lodging him there, I went to old Mrs. Cutter, (as I then supposed her name to be) - Willoughby was in the same room with the other prisoners - I do not remember anything being said, for almost immediately I went out, leaving the three men in charge of the sergeant - I did not ascertain that the old lady's name was not Cutter till she signed the charge at the station-house - I went to her house and saw her, and told her the three men were in charge, and desired her to come to the station-house, and she came - I showed her the three men, and she immediately pointed out Cannon, and said he was the man who knocked her down; she was quite positive as to him, but could not identify the others - I then ordered the sergeant to enter the charge, and discovered her name was not Cutter, but Keat - the prosecutrix is the woman I am speaking of; she said, "That is the man that mislested me;" Cannon said, "You are quite mistaken" - I locked Cannon and Shurety up in different me all about it, as he termed it, going to the station-house cells, and kept Willoughby in another - Willoughby told from his own house; he said nothing in their presence about it.

Cross-examined. Q. You did not know Willoughby's person at all when you went to his house? A. No; I asked if his name was Willoughby; he said "Yes" - I had not my uniform on; I had my great coat; he could not tell I was an officer by my appearance, but I have no doubt he knew me - I have been at Hampstead about thirteen months; I have met him coming from the market of a morning; I have no doubt he knew me as an officer - his words were, "Cannon did it," to the best of my belief - those were his words - on our way to the station-house he told me the order in which they walked home, and he said, "Cannon was the last" - there had been a great deal of talk at Hampstead about this; I took him in consequence of information I received that night - I had seen the lamplighter before I apprehended them - I saw him about a quarter after nine o'clock on Wednesday night - he mentioned Cannon's name to me - I believe he lives at Hampstead - he might have talked to anybody else about Cannon before that, about Hampstead - whether what Willoughby said about Cannon was what he had heard I cannot tell.

SAMUEL RUGGLES . I am a police-officer. On Wednesday night the 20th of November, I went to the Nag's Head, public house, with Aggs, and apprehended Cannon and Shurety; I took charge of Shurety and took him to the watch-house; he asked me going along if I knew what charge I had against them; I told him to wait till he got to the station-house, when the inspector would tell him; he said, "Very well, I admit you have only done your duty - and would have done so had you have taken us in the fact;" he then said, "I know what it is about, it is for Saturday night's spree;" nothing more passed, till he got to the station-house; I then went with Aggs to Willoughby's house, brought him to the station-house, and as soon as he came there, Shurety said, "Willoughby, (Cannon was present) we must admit we saw the old woman knocked down by some man who ran down the hill, but who that man was, we don't know." Willoughby shook his head and said he saw no man passing at the time; Shurety, a short time after at the station-house, made use of some expression, but what it was I don't know; Cannon, in answer to him, said,"Hold your tongue, you fool, you will convict yourself;" Cannon was present the whole time at the station-house, and heard what Shurety said to Willoughby; when Cannon said this to Shurety, he made no reply.

MR. BODKIN to MARY KEAT . Q. How near to Brewhouse-lane were you in Heath-street, when it happened; were you above it, nearer to the heath, or nearer to the town? A. Nearer to the town, below brewhouse-lane, between the corner of the lane, in Mr. Cunningham's the butcher's shop; I am quite sure the first man whom I met, passed without interfering with me.

Cannon's Defence. I never saw the lady all the while; I was coming home from selling fish about a quarter before twelve o'clock, but I have not the least recollection of seeing the lady at all; I went home with my basket of fish that was left - I went straight home with the other young man.

Shurety's Defence. I was out that night helping Cannon to sell his fish, which he had left in the day-time, and coming home, I asked Willoughby, "Shall I carry some of your things home;" he went by Mr. Cunningham's, the butcher's; I had got my basket weighing sixty or eighty pounds - I had it on my head - I could hardly see, it was very heavy; and when we came past the fields, I heard a young man run by; I went home - I left my basket at Willoughby's; I went home and went to bed, and the inspector came to the Nag's Head, and took us to the station-house; Mrs. Cutter was fetched, and said she had found her pocket, and a halfpenny was left in it - that she went to a butcher's shop, where she missed her money.

Willoughby's Defence. As I was returning home on evening, coming from Cunningham's with a basket on my head, these two young men were there with things, and I asked this man to give me a lift on the head with my basket. Shurety said, "Shall I carry one of your baskets, Tom?" I said, "No; I would much rather you would not, leave it alone;" and I went up Heath-street, and saw Mrs. Cutter, and said, "Here is poor old Mrs. Cutter;" I passed on; Cannon was behind; I went

home, and came back to Cunningham's again, and had another basket left there; I bought a bit of meat there, and I took it home on my head, and never saw any more of Cannon or Shurety, not till Monday, when I saw Shurety standing at the corner of Flask-walk - I never spoke to him.

JOSEPH COOPER . I am shopman to Mr. Cunningham, a butcher, at Hampstead; I have been there many years; in front of our shop on a Saturday night, there is a sort of market held, as late as half-past eleven or twelve o'clock; I remember the night the old lady was knocked down - I remember seeing Willoughby standing at the front of our door, in the sale way - he had two baskets; I saw him leave - I helped his baskets on his head - he crossed the road up Heath-street; I helped him up with two baskets - he took both baskets on his head; I saw nobody with him; sometimes Shurety and Cannon stand there to sell vegetables; half-past twelve o'clock is about the time this little market breaks up; I did not see Willoughby again that night; I sold him some meat that night; he took it with him in his basket - he took it the second time - I don't know at what time he went the first time; I suppose he might be gone about ten minutes; he bargained with me for the meat and then went away; I have known him ever since he was a boy - he has maintained the character of a very honest man.

JURY. Q. Are we to understand you helped him up with a second load of baskets? A. The two last baskets I helped him with; I did not help him with the first - the meat was in the last basket.

John Dixon , churchwarden of Hampstead parish; George Farrier , bricklayer, Hampstead; George Clowser , churchwarden of Hampstead parish; James Smith , surveyor of the highways; William Turner , overseer of the parish of Hampstead; John Spenceley , painter, Hampstead; William Southey , baker, Hampstead; Richard Gamble , baker, Hampstead; Robert Tuckwell , cheesemonger, Hampstead; Benjamin Griffith , butcher, Hampstead Road; William Hogg , poulterer, Hampstead; Robert Pilch , publican, Hampstead; and Richard Martin , boatman, Hampstead; gave the prisoner a good character.


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-47
VerdictsGuilty > pleaded guilty

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49. HENRY CHAPMAN was indicted for stealing, on the 4th of October , 1 £5 bank note, the monies of John Henry Cancellor , his master ; - also for stealing 7 reigns and a half. the property of John Henry Cancellor , to both which indictments he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 20. - Transported for Seven Years .

David Bankhurst , North-cutter-mews; and Daniel Leslie , tailor, Queen-street, Soho, gave the prisoner a good character.

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-48

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50. ROBERT STEPHENSON was indicted for stealing on the 11th of November , 8 sovereigns, the monies of James Taylor , his master .

JAMES TAYLOR . I am the son of James Taylor , a carrier carman , living in High-street, Hampstead. On the 11th of November, the prisoner left his service, having been three weeks with us - I left Hampstead with a cart that afternoon, between one and two o'clock, and had some parcels with me - one for Mr. Withers, a grocer, in Whitechapel - I have never seen that since - I observed the marks on that parcel; there was a string about it - I carried it in my pocket to Smithfield , and in Long-lane I gave it to the prisoner, and told him to be careful of it, and to deliver it according to the direction, telling him it contained eight sovereigns - he put it into his pocket - I told him to deliver it safe to Mr. Withers, High-street, Whitechapel - that was between three and four o'clock - I did not see him again, until Sunday the 17th of November, when I saw him in Brighton, and took him before the magistrate - he was in Highbury-buildings, Brighton - the officer found a sovereign on him, in my presence - he was dressed in a new black hat, and new boots, and a new handkerchief - I saw a shirt and five handkerchiefs found in his possession which appeared new - my father is accountable for all the money in the parcel - I only delivered one parcel to him.

LOUISA FELTON . I am single - I assist my mother who is a grocer - she lives at West-end, Hampstead. On Monday the 11th of November, I enclosed eight sovereigns in a parcel, and directed it to Mr. Withers, High-street, Whitechapel, and wrote on it sent 8 P - I delivered it to James Banks , to deliver it to Mr. Taylor - Banks is not here - I was before the magistrate at Hatton-garden - what the prisoner said was taken down in writing - I don't know myself that the parcel ever got to Taylor.

JAMES TAYLOR . I received the parcel from my father - he is not here.

JOHN PAMMENT . (policeman E 77) I live in Brunswick-mews, Brunswick-square. I took the prisoner into custody, on the 22nd of November, and asked him what he had done with the money - I did not say it would be better or worse for him to tell me - I asked him what he had done with the eight sovereigns of Mr. Taylor's, his master - he said, 1l. 16s. was found on him - I asked what he had done with the rest; he said, he bought a new hat, and a pair of shoes - I mentioned the name of Taylor to him - I don't know whether I told the magistrate that I mentioned Taylor's name - he did not account for any more money.

Prisoner's Defence. When master took me at Brighton, he brought me up in a caravan, and Mr. Taylor said if I would come back quietly, he would take me into his service and that he was going to make it up with my friends, and then he gave me in charge.

GUILTY . Aged 16. - Confined Three Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-49
VerdictGuilty; Not Guilty

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51. JAMES WRIGHT and EPHRAIM WILTON were indicted for stealing, on the 8th of November , 1 handkerchief, value 3s., the goods of Samuel Dyer , from his person .

SAMUEL DYER. I am a carpenter , and live at No. 52, Compton-street, Goswell-street. On the afternoon of the 3rd of November, between four and half-past four o'clock, I was in Smithfield , and felt something at my pocket, having a few half-pence in it I felt the pocket hit against my thigh - I turned round, and saw the prisoners behind me, and my handkerchief in Wright's hand - he dropped it - I took it up, and took them both, and held them till the officer came - Wilton was about half a yard from him - there

was no crowd there - they appeared to me to be in company, but I did not see them communicate together at all- they remained there - I took them both.

Wilton. I was coming from my aunt's and walking behind a gentleman who turned round and accused me of stealing his handkerchief; I gave myself up to his custody directly.

GEORGE LOCK . I am a City-policeman, No. 12. I received the prisoners in custody - I was coming from Smithfield Bars - I did not see the transaction - the prosecutor had the handkerchief in his hand, and the prisoners were standing close by.

Wright. I was begging his pardon.

SAMUEL DYER . This is my handkerchief.

WRIGHT - GUILTY *. Aged 12. - Transported for Seven Years .


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-50

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52. THOMAS EVERED was indicted for stealing, on the 31st of October , 32 ounces of silver wire gilt, value 10l. , the goods of John Atherly , and others, his masters.

THOMAS ZEPHANIAH GEORGE LAMBERT . I am in the employ of Messrs. Atherly; I live at No. 42, Provost-street, Hoxton; the prosecutors live at No. 42, Bridgewater-gardens, City ; the prisoner was in their employ. - on the 31st of October, he asked me if Mr. Atherly came before he came in, if I would go up into the warehouse, and get him a hank of wire - I gave him thirty-two ounces - I brought it down stairs and laid it on the prisoner's bench - he was there - he followed me from the door into the shop, and stood behind me when I put it on his bench - I left it on the bench while I went to get a light, as it was the dusk of the evening - I returned almost immediately, and the prisoner and the wire were gone - I saw him again in about an hour and a half, at a public-house close by - I was with my master, and took him into custody - when I gave him the wire, I told him I had asked for a hank of wire for him, and had got it, and he came directly into the shop - it was for him to draw in the shop, on the premises; when I missed him, I gave information, and he was taken in custody at the public-house - the wire has never been recovered.

Prisoner. Q. Was I in the shop at the time the wire was brought down? A. He followed me into the shop close at my heels, and was there when I laid it on the bench. Witness. He did not come back after the wire was delivered to him; he did not go away and come back.

MATTHEW ATHERLY . I am in partnership with Edward Silver. On the 31st of October, I delivered a hank of silver-wire to Lambert about four o'clock in the afternoon, for the prisoner to draw; it weighed upwards of thirty-two ounces, value not less than 10l.; I have not seen it since - the prisoner has been employed by me a long time.

JOHN ATHERLY . I am of the same firm. I gave the prisoner into custody; he held his hand over to me, and said, "Sir, will you take this" and gave me four sovereigns, without making any observation how he got it; this was about six o'clock in the evening.

JAMES MURRELL . I am a city patrol, No. 2, and live at No. 8, Richardson's-buildings, Attfield-street. On the 31st of October, the prisoner was given into my custody - I saw him hand the sovereigns over to Mr. John Atherly; I asked him what it was; he said it was three or four sovereigns, which was part of the produce of the wire he had sold.

Prisoner's Defence. I have been with them now nearly twenty-four years. I conducted myself with propriety when apprenticed, and nearly up to the present time; but alterations in the firm were very disagreeable to me and to all of us, by a person formerly working for them being now brought in as a partner. I conducted myself with propriety, more to my injury than my own profit; and by the last partner coming in, who is a cunning, artful, deceitful man, both to the master and men, I believe to get the whole business into his own hands, he acts all manner of deceit and deception imaginary to all of us; he is always insulting me and the whole of the firm altogether. He has brought in three apprentices, and before my master had but two; I had been earning from 2l. 10s. to 3l. a week, which my own master promised me as long as I continued faithful to him, and that he would give me constant employment to make us a comfortable livelihood; but the last partner bringing in two parish apprentices, he wished to get rid of all the old hands; and by so doing it has made me do the present act, which I am very sorry for. I hope you will consider my long servitude, and the manner I have acted towards my master and shopmates; I have done the greatest kindness towards them, and to my own injury; and my mind was so worked up, I certainly did sell it, but never spent a farthing of the money; master received 4l. of it, and the other pound I lost.

MATTHEW ATHERLY. The prisoner has been our apprentice and journeyman for twenty years; I don't wish to say anything about his conduct latterly, but I protest against his injuring my partner; who, having been apprenticed to us, and afterwards a journeyman, his good conduct enabled us to take him into parnership - the prisoner within the last three years and seven months has received 547l. - he has not earned less than 2l. a-week for the last six months - I paid him 88l. from January to October.

Prisoner to LAMBERT. Q. How long have you known me? A. About twenty years; I never knew him dishonest, except in a similar act to this, which was looked over.

GUILTY . Aged 38. - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-51

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53. HENRY MILLER was indicted for stealing, on the 9th of November , 1 handkerchief, value 1s., the goods of William Tilley , from his person .

WILLIAM TILLEY. I live at No. 90, West Smithfield. On Saturday, the 9th of November, I was in Cheapside , as the Lord Mayor's procession was passing; I felt something at my pocket; I turned round, and saw the prisoner at the back of me - I said, "You have picked my pocket" - he said, "No, I have not" - I said, "You certainly have, and there is my handkerchief in your pocket - I collared him, he said, "You have no business to collar me; let me go" - I said I would not; I dragged

him through the crowd, and gave him to Bradley the officer.

Cross-examined by MR. CARRINGTON. Q. Was there not a very great crowd? A. There was; the person was behind me, and the prisoner was close to me - I turned round instantly; there were several persons behind me - the prisoner had on a jacket; the pocket of it was outside; I saw a very small part of it sticking out of his pocket - he said, "Let me go, I have not taken your handkerchief, some person took it and put it into my pocket;" that was impossible - a woman saw him take it.

JAMES ALEXANDER TILLEY . I am the son of the prosecutor. I was standing by my father's side; he felt a tug at his pocket - I turned round instantly and saw the handkerchief in the prisoner's jacket pocket; I took it out, and took him by the collar.

Cross-examined. Q. Part of it was sticking out of his pocket? A. Yes.

JAMES BRADLEY . I am a city policeman, No. 6. I took the prisoner into custody.

Property produced and sworn to.

Prisoner. When the gentleman caught hold of me the handkerchief was in my hand - he said I was to go with him; I said I would.

MR. CARRINGTON to BRADLEY. Q. Was he ever in your charge before? A. I never had him in custody before myself; he is known but not on this side of the water; I believe he has been at Maidstone once or twice.

GUILTY . Aged 18 - Confined One Year .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-52

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2nd COUNT, stating them to be the goods of William Robinson .

WILLIAM ROBINSON. I am in the habit of sending every week to Mrs. Stokes, a quantity of linen to be washed; and it was returned to the Pewter Platter, Gracechurch-street; I send there for it - I never employed the prisoner to fetch it home.

CHARLES ABBOTT. I am book-keeper at the Pewter Platter, Gracechurch-street ; on the 16th of November, I saw the prisoner at the Pewter Platter; he applied for Robinson's box - I had received a box for William Robinson from Mrs. Stokes, of Wandsworth; through John Clark the coachman - he was refused it several times and said; "Do you think I should come for the box unless Robinson has sent me for it" - he said so to me; and Mrs. Abbott, and the coachman of the Wandsworth stage was present - I at last delivered him the box as he said Thompson the coachman had known him for years.

Prisoner. He said I was dressed in a green coat and blue apron, which I never wore in my life.

CHARLES ABBOTT. I swore to him by his appearance; I cannot say how he was dressed - he asked me before the Lord Mayor how he was dressed, and I said in a green frock coat which he certainly was - I cannot be certain whether he had an apron on.

JAMES THOMPSON. I am coachman of a Wandsworth coach. I know the prisoner - I saw him on the 16th of November, at the Pewter Platter - after asking Mrs. Abbott for the box, (she said he was not the regular man who fetched it,) he turned round to me and said here is Mr. Thompson has known me for years - I have known him by sight about the Angel; and they delivered it to him - he said he was ordered by Mr. Robinson to fetch the box - he took it away - I had not brought the box to town myself - that was another coachman - I knew it came from Wandsworth because I had seen it before - I saw no direction on it.

Prisoner. He said at the examination I had a blue coat on.

JAMES THOMPSON. No; I said it was a dark dress - I know he is the man; I have seen him as a porter about the Angel at Islington.

MARY STOKES . I wash Mr. Robinson's linen - on the 16th of November, I sent a box to him containing the articles stated in the indictment - I delivered them to John Clark, to go by the Wandsworth coach to the Pewter Platter, Gracechurch-street - there was no direction on the box - Clark knew where to leave it.

JOHN CLARK. I am a Wandsworth coachman. I received the box from Mrs. Stokes, and delivered it at the Pewter Platter, to Abbott.

CHARLES ABBOTT . I delivered him the box, which I received from John Clark .

Prisoner's Defence. I have a witness named Burton, who was with me that afternoon; having something to drink; I wish him to say what colour my clothes were, I have no recollection of being in Gracechurch-street that day. I certainly was very tipsy - at the time it was obtained I went for a situation to Hackney to Mr. Winge, who was not at home; and I came back and went to bed.

GUILTY *. Aged 33 - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-53
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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55. THOMAS WHITE was indicted for stealing, on the 19th of November , 1 pair of boots, value 20s. , the goods of Aaron Gush .

AARON GUSH . I am a boot-maker , and live at No. 42, Poultry . On the afternoon of the 19th of November, I was in my shop - the prisoner came about a yard and a half into the shop, and took a pair of boots and ran off with them; my son was standing by and pursued him.

FREDERICK GUSH . I am the son of Aaron Gush . I was in the shop, and ran after the prisoner; it was about twenty minutes after five o'clock - I had seen him take the boots; I ran and caught him, and took the boots from him.

JOHN SMITH . I am an officer. I received him in charge, and produce the boots.(Property produced and sworn to.)

The prisoner pleaded distress.

GUILTY. Aged 24. - Recommended to Mercy - Confined Three Days, and delivered to Mr. Wiggins of Long-lane, who engaged to employ him .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-54

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56. WILLIAM FINDLEY was indicted for stealing, on the 30th of October , 1 handkerchief, value 2s.; the goods of Francis Palmer , from his person .

JAMES PALMER . I live at No. 12, Great Winchester-street. I was walking with my brother in Fore-street , on the evening of the 30th of October, and saw my brother seized hold of the prisoner, and saw a handkerchief in the prisoner's hand; he threw it under a cart, which was standing there, and I picked it up - I am sure he threw it down.

Prisoner. I was coming down Cripplegate-buildings, and the gentleman collared me; I saw a boy chuck the handkerchief out of his hand into the road, and the gentleman took it up.

FRANCIS PALMER . I live at No. 29, Jewin-crescent. I was with my brother on the 30th of October, and just at the end of Cripplegate-buildings, I felt something at my pocket; I turned round, and saw the prisoner thrusting my handkerchief into his pocket - I seized him and he threw it under a cart.

RICHARD HARDING . I am a City policeman, No. 90. I received the prisoner in custody, and produce the handkerchief.

FRANCIS PALMER. This is my property; I know it by the mark F. P.; I am quite sure of it - I did not see any person near except the prisoner; not within several yards, until after I seized him, which was before he threw the handkerchief down.

Prisoner's Defence. I am not the boy; I do not think my parents are aware that I am being tried - I live at Snow's-fields, Borough; my father is a cooper by trade; there is no number to the house.

GUILTY .* Aged 16. - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-55
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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57. WILLIAM DENNY was indicted for stealing, on the 24th of October , 13 caps, value 1l.; and 1 box, value 1s. 6d. the goods of Richard John Cox White , from the person of Thomas Dixon .

2ND. COUNT, stating them to be the goods of Arthur Fry .

RICHARD WHITE . I am a hatter, and cap maker , and live at No. 15, Farringdon-street - on the morning of the 24th of October, I sent my servant with a box of thirteen caps to be delivered to Mr. Fry, of Type-street.

THOMAS DIXON. I am in the employ of Mr. White. On the morning of the 24th of October, I had the caps in a box - I went down Beech-street ; I was taking it to Mr. Arthur Fry, in Type-street - I saw the prisoner, he said, "You are going to Mr. Fry's, ay'nt you?" I said"Yes;" he said, "I have just sent the young man for an order to Farringdon-street. and I am to take the caps, and you are to go and fetch the other order" - I gave him the box and he went about two yards - he then looked back, and saw a policeman, and he threw the box into my arms and ran away as fast as he could - he said, he had come from Fry's.

ROBERT SPENCE . I am a City policeman, No. 48. I saw the prisoner near the last witness - I saw Dixon give the box into the prisoner's hand, in Beech-street; I ran over - and on seeing me, he threw the box into the boy's hand, and ran off; I followed him, calling, "Stop thief;" he was stopped in my presence; the box contained thirteen caps.(Box produced and sworn to.)

GUILTY of Stealing, but not form the Person . Aged 20- Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-56

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58. WILLIAM THOMPSON was indicted for stealing, on the 9th of November , 1 snuff-box, value 2s. 6d., the goods of Alexander McFarlane , from his person .

WILLIAM DYKE (policeman R 193). On the evening of the 9th of November, I saw the prisoner in Cheapside ; he put his hand into Mr. McFarlane's pocket, and took out a snuff-box; it was near five o'clock in the evening; he took it from his hind coat pocket, and put it into the flap of his trousers; I took him, and took his hand out of his trousers witht he snuff-box in it.

Prisoner. Q. Do you swear positively you saw me take it - I did not take it from the gentleman; I heard something fall, and picket it up, and he took it from my hand? A. I saw him take it, and his hand was within his trousers with the box in it.

ALEXANDER McFARLANE . I live at No. 21, Friday-street. On Saturday, the 9th of November, I was in Cheapside - Dyke tapped me on my shoulder and said my pocket was picked; he produced the snuff-box, and I recognised it; it had been in my coat pocket - this is it; I have used it for six months; I am quite satisfied of it; I had used it within half an hour.

WILLIAM DYKE . He had another young man with him - I had watched them some time; I am sure the prisoner's hand took it.

Prisoner's Defence. Another young man was taken with me; the policeman said he had watched him for a quarter of an hour, and had seen him put his hand into three gentlemen's pockets; it was not this officer, but another, the Lord Mayor discharged the young man.

WILLIAM DYKE . I had myself seen him in company with the young man for ten minutes, or a quarter of an hour.

GUILTY .* Aged 19. - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-57

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59. JOHN SMITH was indicted for stealing, on the 13th of November , 1 handkerchief, value 2s., the goods of Richard Harman Lloyd , from his person .

RICHARD HARMAN LLOYD . On Wednesday, the 13th of November, I was in Rood-lane about a quarter before six o'clock; I turned round and saw the prisoner with my handkerchief in his hand putting it into his breast - I know it was in my pocket immediately before; I felt it pulled out which made me turn round; I took him, and recovered the handkerchief.

Prisoner. Q. What did you turn round and say you said nobody was with me? A. I did not say so; I seized him; I used no expression - he said he never touched my handkerchief; he dropped it and trod on it, and said he never touched it.

SWANSTON HARRISON . I am a wine merchant. I was passing Mr. Lloyd's, and saw the prisoner in the act of drawing the handkerchief - I said, "Sir, you are robbed;" he turned round and seized the prisoner; and I seized one of his companions.

JOHN THOMPSON . I am a ward-constable. I produce the handkerchief which I received from Mr. Lloyd.

GUILTY .* Aged 14. - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-58
VerdictNot Guilty

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NEW COURT. Friday, November 29, 1833.

Fourth Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.

60. ANN TOWNSEND was indicted for stealing, on the 6th of September , 1 coat, value 3l.; 1 waistcoat, value 14s.; 1 spoon, value 4s.; 1 pelisse, value 2s., and 1 blanket, value 1s. , the goods of Henry Davis .

HENRY DAVIS. I live at Hampstead - the prisoner is my wife's aunt; she came on a visit to my wife on the 2nd of September, and remained till the 6th - she was there at dinner time that day, and when I came home to tea she was gone; the door was locked, and the key was gone; I got in at the window, and missed this property from my box; I had seen them in the morning.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was the prisoner invited to your house? A. No; my wife did not know of her coming - I am in work, and take my weekly money home when I got it - I never heard that the prisoner pawned her own gown, and shawl for the support of my family - I did not go before the magistrate on this charge - my wife is not here - she is very ill - the gentlemen at Worship-street told me to go before the Grand Jury - my wife did not tell me that she gave the prisoner my coat and waistcoat to redeem her own gown and shawl, which she had pawned because the children had no food - I was not at home when the prisoner came to my house; I got home about six o'clock in the evening - I had some money when the prisoner came; I cannot tell how much; I had some silver - I did not produce it; my wife had some money - we live at New Haven, Hampstead; I am a bricklayer; I work for Mr. Richmond, and earn 24s. a week; I allow my wife a sovereign a week; I was not in debt that I know of.

JURY. Q. Were you in the habit of pawning things in the course of the week? A. No; I could always get money of my master; I never did pawn things when I was in work.

JAMES HOWELL . I am a pawnbroker. I produce the coat and waistcoat, which I took in of the prisoner on the 6th of September, for 1l. 8s., in the name of Mary Townsend; I live with Mr. Burton, in Princes-street, Leicester-square.

Cross-examined. Q. At what time were they pawned? A. As far as I can recollect, between twelve and one o'clock - I had not known the prisoner before - she gave the address, "No. 4, Market-street," which is near our shop.

THOMAS SEAL (police-constable G 145). I went with my brother officer to take the prisoner; I found the duplicate of this coat and waistcoat in the cupboard of her lodging in Bear-lane, Southwark - we followed her husband home and found her.

Cross-examined. Q. Where she lived on the 6th of September, you don't know? A. No.

The prisoner put in a written defence, stating that the prosecutor's wife had sent her to pledge the goods, to redeem others which she had pawned for their support.


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-59

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61. ANN TOWNSEND was again indicted for stealing, on the 2nd of September , 1 watch, value, 50s. , the goods of Joseph Evans .

ABRAHAM WILKINS . I live at No. 22, Leather-lane . The prisoner was employed to nurse my daughter; she was there on the 2nd of September, when this watch was missed; it belonged to Joseph Evans , who lodged at my house.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Is the house your own? A. No; we lodge in the second floor, and my daughter does for Mr. Evans, who lodges in the first floor; when he goes out, he locks the door, and puts the key in the cupboard, that we might clean the place; the prisoner left on the 2nd of September, about two o'clock; Mr. Evans went out after breakfast, and came home to dinner, and the prisoner, instead of cooking his dinner, had left it on the table; I have pawned my own watch; I think not more than twice - I will not swear I have not pawned it ten or twenty times; I did not make a mistake, and pawn Mr. Evans watch, instead of mine; mine is in pawn now for security, not because I wanted money.

Q. Do you mean to tell this Jury, that your watch is not in pawn by way of advance to you, but by way of security? A. I don't know what you mean by security.

Q. Have you not been in the habit of pawning it once a week or more, frequently? A. No; it was out of a pawn in the beginning of September; I cannot tell who I pawned it with - it is in Hatton-wall; I never took it to any pawnbroker's but that one; I will not swear I have not pawned it fifty times.

JOSEPH EVANS . This is my watch, I left it on the bed rail at the bed-head in my room on the 2nd of September, at seven o'clock, when I went out; I saw it when I came to breakfast, and when I returned at two o'clock, it was gone; the room was left in the care of Wilkins and his daughter, but she had a severe fit of illness; the prisoner had the same opportunity of going into the room as they had.

Cross-examined. Q. Were there two keys to the door? A. No, only one; when the door was locked, the key was put into the cupboard by the side of the door; I never saw Wilkings have a watch; there were two other females in the house.

THOMAS HUGHES . I am shopman to a pawnbroker; I have the watch which was pawned on the 2nd of September, by the prisoner.

Cross-examined. Q. When was it that any inquiry was made of you about this? A. A few days after it was pawned; the duplicate was sent to Mr. Evans in a twopenny post letter; I had not seen the prisoner before; but few low persons come to pledge with us; the prisoner was dressed respectably; I did not say I could not state positively that she was the person - I hesitated so far as to turn and look at her; but when the prosecutor first applied about the watch, I described her to him.

Q. When were you before the magistrate? A. About the 21st of November; I had not seen the prisoner from the 2nd of September, till then; I have not the least doubt of her being the person.

COURT. Q. Upon the solemn oath you have taken, are you perfectly certain she is the woman? A. I am perfectly certain; she gave the name of Ann Holmes, No. 9, Park-street, Camden-town.

MATTHEW PEAKE (police-constable G 198). I apprehended the prisoner; I told her it was on a charge of stealing a watch and a handkerchief; she said she knew nothing about the handkerchief, but that she took the watch and pawned it in Tottenham-court-road.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you make this statement before the magistrate? A. No, Sir; Mr. Bennett said it was not lawful; he will not hear what the prisoners say; he always tells us it is not lawful, and he will not extract any evidence from us.

Prisoner. He speaks very falsely; I never said any such thing.

Nathaniel Blaine , Phebe Dickson , and Susannah Chatterton , gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY . Aged 30. - Confined One Year .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-60

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62. GEORGE RITSON was indicted for stealing, on the 9th of November , 1 basket, value 6d.; 1 cloth, value 2d.; 30 pence, and sixty halfpence , the property of Robert Potter , the elder.

ROBERT POTTER, JUN. I am seven years old; I live with my father at Homerton; on the 9th of November, I came with my brother, William Potter , in my father's cart to Spitalfields market ; when we got there, my brother got out and left me in the cart minding it; while I was in the cart, the prisoner came to me - I am sure he is the man; he said, "Mr. Potter sent me after the basket;"(there was a basket in the cart) I said, "There is some parsley in it;" he said it was all right - and he took the basket and a sieve-cloth which was in it; he ran up the market; there was five shillings worth of halfpence in the basket; I had seen my brother William Potter put them in; no one had taken them out; the prisoner had a flannel jacket on, and I am sure he is the man.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. On the first examination at the police-office, when you were shown this man, did you not say you had never seen him before in your life? A. No, Sir; I said that was him; I did not say he had a flannel jacket on - I said so on the second examination; I had spoken to the officer between the two examination; I said he had a mark on his face; the magistrate told me to look in his face, and I saw the mark down his right cheek; I did not say he looked like a monkey; it was the other boy said that; I forgot that the prisoner had a flannel jacket on, when I was first before the magistrate; I heard the other persons say he had a flannel jacket on, and I said so the second time.

COURT. Q. Have you any doubt about who the man was, who took the basket out of the cart? A. It was the prisoner; I know him by the bump on his back - I saw the bump when he was running - I saw his face too, and saw the cut on it; I am sure he had a bump on his back; I did not forget it when I was before the justice, but he did not ask me about it, if he had, I should have told him; I am sure he is the man.

SAMUEL FROST . I was in the market on the 9th of November; my cart stood next to this little boy's cart; I saw the prisoner get up behind Potter's cart, and he said to this little boy, "Mr. Potter sent me after his basket;" the little boy said, "Here is some parsley in it, and a sieve-cloth, and some money;" the prisoner said, "I know there is; it is all right;" he then got down and ran away with the basket and what was in it - I am sure he is the man.

Cross-examined. Q. You are quite sure he is the man? A. Yes; he said Mr. Potter sent him after his basket, and the little boy said there was some money in it, and some parsley, and a sieve-cloth; I am sure he said there was money in it - the prisoner had a flannel jacket on.

JURY. Q. Are you in the habit of going to the market? A. Yes; I have seen the prisoner a good many times - it was about half-past eight or nine o'clock in the morning.

WILLIAM POTTER . I am the brother of Robert Potter : I had put 5s. worth of half-pence into the basket, and left it in the cart with my little brother, and there was a sieve-cloth in the basket; I was backwards and forwards; I had been away about ten minutes when I missed the basket - it belonged to my father, Robert Potter .

MARGARET FROST . I was in Spitalfields-market on Saturday morning, the 9th of November. I got there about six o'clock, and staid three hours - I saw the prisoner about half-past seven o'clock with a flannel jacket on.

Prisoner's Defence. I know nothing of the robbery. I have several persons who can prove I was selling shrimps on the other side of the market, in the same dress I have on now.

FREDERICK BIDWELL . I sell potatoes in Spitalfields-market. I know the prisoner very well; he sells shrimps in the market - on the 9th of November, I got up about eight o'clock, and went there; I saw the prisoner standing at the corner of my place with his shrimps - he had a green coat on the same as he has now: he had not a flannel jacket on - I saw him from eight o'clock till nine- he said he was going to get his breakfast.

MATTHEW BRIGGS . I am carman to Mr. Hughes of Spitalfields-market. I have known the prisoner two years and a half - on Lord Mayor's day I saw him at five minutes before eight o'clock in the morning, with a green coat on; I saw him three times between eight and nine o'clock - he had made no change in his dress.

JOHN HARPER . I have lived five years with Mr. Pullen, a potatoe-salesman, in Spitafields-market. I know the prisoner; I saw him on the 9th of November, about eight o'clock in the morning, pass my master's door with shrimps in a basket - he had a green coat on.

THOMAS BARRINGTON . I am a green-grocer, and frequent Spitalfields-market, which I have done for twenty years. On the 9th of November, I saw him come into a public-house, at five minutes before eight o'clock in the morning -

he had a green coat on - I afterwards went round the market, and saw him in the same dress.

MRS. THOMPSON. My husband keeps the Three Jolly Butchers, in Spitalfields-market. I know the prisoner; I saw him on the 9th of November; I should think from eight o'clock to nine in the morning - he had a dark coat on - I think a green one.

THOMAS MILLER . I am a master butcher in Spitalfields-market. I have known the prisoner fourteen or fifteen years - I would take him into my employ.

MARGARET FROST re-examined. Q. Have you been in the habit of attending the market? A. Yes; I have known the prisoner some time; I am certain he is the person I saw that morning with a flannel jacket on.

GUILTY . Aged 31. - Confined Nine Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-61

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63. ROBERT LONG was indicted for stealing, on the 25th of October , 2 chaise-wheels, value 15s. , the goods of John Press .

2nd COUNT, stating them to be the goods of Mary Ann Dulwich .

MARY ANN DULWICH . I did live in Cumberland-street . I was removing from there on the 25th of October; the prisoner was there at the time; he was up in the loft between six and seven o'clock, putting on some tiles for the landlord of the house - I had a pair of wheels of a child's chaise there which belonged to Mr. John Press , but he had given them to me for the service of John Press, his child - I saw them on the morning of the 24th of October, and asked the prisoner if they were in his way; and on the 26th I missed them - I went with Mr. Preston after the prisoner, and found him in an empty house in Nichol-street, where he was going to work - the landlord asked him what he had done with the wheels - he said he knew nothing about them- he then pushed up the window, and tried to get out of it - Mr. Preston told me to go for an officer, which I did - when I came back the prisoner was gone.

JOSEPH PRESTON . I went with the last witness to Nichol-street; I asked the prisoner if he would deliver the wheels up - he said he knew nothing about them - I sent her for a policeman, and I intended to detain the prisoner, but he made such a piece of work, and said he would kick my g - ts out, that I let him go - I had seen him about the premises on the night the wheels were missing; there was nobody else there but me and a little child - I heard the child say he had got his wheels - I do not know whether the prisoner heard that.

THOMAS COMBS . I am shopman to Mr. Pige, a pawnbroker, of No. 155, Church-street, Bethnal-green. I produce these wheels - on the evening of the 25th of October, a lad about the same height as the prisoner pawned them - I cannot swear to the prisoner, but I believe him to be the lad - he pawned them for 3s. in the name of John Thompson, Swan-street - I did not know him before; I might have seen him once or twice- I think I had.

Q. Then you have less doubt about him now? A. I have not less - I have some doubt, though I had seen him before - he had been in the habit of pawning for his mother - I did not know his mother till I saw her at the office - he told us he came from his mother.

GEORGE TEAKLE (police-constable K 121). I took the prisoner.

Property produced and sworn to.

Prisoner's Defence. I know nothing about them.

The prisoner received a good character.

GUILTY . Aged 16. - Confined Two Days .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-62
SentenceImprisonment; Corporal > whipping

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64. FREDERICK GRACE was indicted for stealing, on the 28th of October , 1 petticoat, value 2s., the goods of Elizabeth Herbert , and 1 half-handkerchief, value 6d., the goods of Elizabeth Stafford .

ELIZABETH HERBERT . I live in the Vale of Health, Hampstead . On the 28th of October, I had a petticoat, and a half-handkerchief put out to dry - I saw them put out; the witness saw the prisoner take them, and he ran after him - these are the articles.

JOSHUA BOWDEN . I saw the clothes hanging out - I saw the prisoner taking them off the furze-bushes on the heath - I ran after him, collared him, and he dropped them - he said he hoped I would let him go as it was the first time he had stolen any thing.

ADAM HAY (police-constable S 57). I took the prisoner, and have the articles.

GUILTY . Aged 14. - Confined Fourteen Days and Whipped .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-63
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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65. MARY CORNELIUS was indicted for stealing, on the 9th of September , 1 pocket-book, value 6d., and 1 10£ bank note, the property of Bernard Farrelly , from his person .

BERNARD FARRELLY. On the 17th of September, I found myself in Glass-house-yard, Rosemary-lane . I had my coat off, and my back upon a bed, and the prisoner was strangling me; it was before day-light - she was choking me with both her hands, and cut me very severely - when I took hold of one of her hands, she scratched me with the other, and bit a piece out of my nose - I had been, on the 16th of September, to the Borough, and I had a pocket-book and some memorandums in it, and a £10 bank-note - I saw it safe before I went to Rosemary-lane, at six or seven o'clock, and then they involved me to give them some drink - we did not go into any public-house; they had liquor in this private house - they fetched it.

Q. Who do you mean by they? A. There was another female with the prisoner, but she is the only person I can swear to, as being the person who robbed me, and nearly choked me - I had some liquor in the room down stairs; I did not go up stairs; I was the worse for liquor - I took off my coat, the pocket-book was in the breast pocket of the coat; when I awoke in the morning the pocket-book was gone - when the prisoner was mangling me, I suppose she meant to Burke me - I did not know the number of the note till I went to the cashier's - the book has not been found.

Cross-examined by MR, DOANE. Q. Where do you live? A. In Kent. I came to Rosemary-lane to see a friend named Timmings; I knew him and his wife, they live handy to Rosemary-lane - I had not known the prisoner before; I do not know Mrs. Reed - I had not

received any rent that day - the prisoner asked me to go in, and give her some drink, and I did; there was another female there; I cannot tell the time; it was before dark; I treated them to beer and gin - I took some other persons up who were discharged; the prisoner was discharged, and I had her taken again - I do not know how long I was drinking - I had seen the pocket-book and note that evening, and to make a long story short, here is the note.

COURT. Q. You went in, I suppose, sober? A. Not quite sober - I do not know the other person who was there - I had eight or nine sovereigns in a small pocketbook, in another pocket in my coat, and two handkerchiefs over them - I did not lose any of them.

PIERCE DRISCOLL . I am an officer. On the morning of the 17th I was called by a boy, about five o'clock - I found the prosecutor, the prisoner was in her room; he was outside the room, all over blood; he gave me charge of her; he missed his pocket-book, when he got his coat on - I searched the house, and found a handkerchief which he said was his, in a jacket pocket, which laid on the floor, in a room up-stairs, where there were two persons in bed - I afterwards traced this note from the Bank.

WILLIAM PENNY (police-sergeant, H 5). I went when the prisoner was apprehended; I searched her bed and found a new blanket on it, and three pieces of ticking, which she had bought of a draper.

GEORGE DYER . I am a clerk in the Bank. I have this note, which was paid in by Prescott's banking-house.

CHARLES WALTON COARD . I am clerk to Robarts and Co. I paid the prosecutor a draft on the 13th of September - I gave him this £10 note, "No. 17909, dated 31 July, 1833."

WILLIAM DOBINSON . I live in High-street, Shadwell. On the 30th of September the prisoner came to my shop; she bought a pair of blankets, and 20 yards of bed ticking - she paid me this £10 note; I wrote her address on it, the day of the month, and my initials.

Prisoner. When they took me down to his shop the policeman said, if I would tell who the persons were with me I should be liberated - as this witness said there was a man and a woman came in, and a little woman with them; and that the man and woman gave the other woman the note.

WILLIAM DOBINSON . There was another man and woman came in, but the prisoner gave me the note - the other woman gave her the note; I never said that the woman gave it her - there was another woman taken up, I could not swear to her, but I could to the prisoner.

Prisoner's Defence. I am innocent of it; he swore to another woman.

GUILTY of Stealing, but not from the Person . Aged 33.

Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-64
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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66. WILLIAM PULLEN and MARGARET DENTON were indicted for stealing, on the 21st of October , 1 piece of merino, value 12s.; 4 1/2 yards of merino, value 12s.; 21 pairs of leather gloves, value 22s.; 36 reels of cotton, value 2s. 6d.; 650 needles, value 4s.; 10 ounces of pins, value 1s. 6d.; 8 yards of ribbon, value 2s.; 9 muslin handkerchiefs, value 5s.; and 1 yard of muslin, value 1s. 6d., the goods of William Smith , the master of William Pullen .

Pullen pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 48. - Confined Three Months .

MR. ADOLPHUS declined offering any evidence against Denton.

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-65
VerdictNot Guilty

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67. YOUNG JOHN BAYLEY CHESTER was indicted for stealing, on the 19th of October , 200 lbs. weight of gunpowder, value 18l.; and 100 canisters, value 2l., the goods of George Cooper and another .

MR. PHILLIPS conducted the Prosecution.

ALFRED WILLIAM HARLEY . I am in partner ship with George Cooper ; I live at Uxbridge . We have a magazine of gunpowder in an orchard - on the afternoon of the 19th of October I discovered the door of the magazine had been broken open; it had been safe two days before - I missed about two hundred pounds weight of powder, worth about 18l.; one hundred pounds of it had been in barrels, and one hundred pounds in canisters - I know the prisoner; he lives about two miles from me.

Cross-examined by MR. WHALESBY. Q. You do not know when it had been broken open? A. No.

GEORGE WHITE . I am a grocer, and live at Langley. On the 19th of October, the prisoner offered me one pound of gunpowder in a canister - he asked me 1s. 6d. for it - I said, I was not in want of it; I had plenty - he said, he had three dozen canisters, which he had bought at a gentleman's sale in London, and I could have what quantity I liked - he came again on the Saturday in the next week, and brought nine other canisters, and some salt herrings, which I had ordered of him - I delivered the canisters of gunpowder to the officer.

Cross-examined. Q. Is it an unusual thing in a small town, for different tradesmen to deal in gunpowder? A. No; I believe the prisoner is a fishmonger - I did not think 1s. 6d. a pound a suspicious price for this; it was more than I was giving - I did not buy it; it was left for me to prove it.

PETER WOODROFE . I am a butcher. The prisoner offered me three canisters of gunpowder, for 4s. - it was on a Wednesday; I do not know what day of the month it was - he said, he had them of a boat-man, to whom he gave a ride.

Cross-examined. Q. Where do you live? A. At Iver; I did live at Watford, in the employ of a butcher, but I did not suit him; he did not accuse me of robbing him - I suspected the prisoner had stolen this powder, as I had seen a printed bill just before.

JOHN ELKIN . I am gamekeeper to the Honourable Charles Stormer . On the 21st of October, I saw the prisoner; he told me, he had got something that would suit me; I asked what it was; he said, a canister of powder which a man had let him have for riding in his cart, and he could let me have it cheap; he asked 1s. 6d. for it - I said, I did not want it, as my master found me in powder and shot, but if he would take 1s. for it, I would have it; he said, if I would stand a pint of beer, I should have it.

Cross-examined. Q. You know gunpowder? A. Yes when I see it; but I did not see this - I let Ballantine have it at the price I gave for it.

CHARLES ABER. I am a labouring man. On the 21st of October, the prisoner offered the last witness the powder at the George Inn, where I live; and on the following morning I saw the prisoner again - he asked me if I thought I could sell him half a dozen canisters of powder- I told him I did not know, but there was a shooting match to come off at our house, and very likely I might - he said, I was to get what I could for them, as he had one hundred canisters to sell.

Cross-examined. Q. In whose employ were you last? Mr. Gilbert, a grocer to work in his garden - I was ostler at the George - I should have been thatching with a farmer's man, if I had not been here to-day - no money passed between the prisoner and me; he said, the gunpowder was worth 1s. 6d. a pound - I was to get what I could for it.

JOHN BIRCH. I am a constable at Uxbridge. I received these ten canisters of powder, of Mr. White, on the 26th of October.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you take the prisoner? A. Yes, on the 25th of October - I told him on what charge - I went several days afterwards in search of a person named Littleboy - he was taken by an officer, and escaped from him - he went through some deep water, and the officer did not follow him.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Did the prisoner direct you to any house in London, where he had bought three dozen at a sale? A. No - he said he had this one cannister of a boatman, and the other of Littleboy.

ALFRED WILLIAM HARLEY . These cannisters are similar to what I lost from my magazine - the powder is worth 3s. a pound retail - we sell it at about half a crown wholesale.

Prisoner's Defence. I stated before the magistrate, who I received it of. If I had known it had been stolen, I should not have offered it so near my own house.


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-66

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68. GEORGE ACCOURT was indicted for stealing, on the 7th of November , 48 pence, and 72 half-pence , the monies of Edward Ballard .

EDWARD BALLARD. I am a private in the first regiment of grenadier guards ; I have a stall near the end of the barracks, and have leave to sell coffee, and bread and butter. On the 7th of November, I left my stall at a quarter-past one o'clock, to get ready for parade; there was in my stall a small box inside a large one, which had 7s. worth of copper in it - I returned at a quarter-past two o'clock - the large box was broken open, and the small box and money were taken out - I went through Westminster, and found the prisoner in a public-house, on the other side of Westminster-bridge - I got an officer, and took him; we found 2 1/2d. on him, a knife, and a tobacco-box; the inspector asked him if ever he had been about there; he said, yes; but he had never taken any thing before.

SARAH APPLETON . On the 7th of November, I was standing against the stall taking shelter, while my husband brought me some linen - I saw the prisoner in the stall - he stooped down and took out the small box which contained the money, and put it into his apron - I left to go to my husband, and when I returned the prisoner was gone- the large box had been broken before I went there - I had been in conversation with the prisoner, and said, I hoped I should not have to wait long in the wet - I thought he had been left in charge.

Prisoner. I went away and left you there. Witness. No - I went first; and when I returned in ten minutes, or a quarter of an hour, you were gone.

COURT. Q. Did not he know you saw him take them? A. Yes - I saw him take the small box which had no lid- I saw the money plainly.

LUCAS DAWSON (police-constable L 165). I was called and took the prisoner - he denied knowing anything about it till he got to the station-house - I found this knife, this tobacco-box, and this umbrella on him.

Prisoner. The prosecutor went to my mother to give him £2. not to appear against me.

EDWARD BALLARD . It is false - his mother came to me, and wanted to pay the 7s., but I said, I must appear against him.

Prisoner's Defence (written). The female witness swore at the examination, that she saw me break open the box, and steal the half-pence, amounting to 7s. 6d. I ask you, my Lord, why she did not have me secured by the sentry, who was close by; for she must have had great opportunity of doing so, as it must have occupied me a little time in gathering them up. I was not apprehended till one hour after, and then there was not a single thing found on me, to criminate me.

SARAH APPLEFORD . I know the place - the box was not locked - it stood under the table - I thought the prisoner was left in charge - I had seen him there before.

GUILTY . Aged 18. - Confined Three Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-67
VerdictNot Guilty > fault

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69. THOMAS BOYLE and JOHN BORLEY were indicted for stealing on the 10th of November , 4 locks, value 1l.; 8 brass knobs, value 8s.; 7 brass staples, value 7s.; 3 brass escutcheons, value 1s.; and 2 key-hole drops, value 6d., the goods of James Nugee , being fixed to a building of his , against the statute, &c.

2ND COUNT, the same as the above, only stating them to the goods of George Bridges .

It being the property of Francis James Nugee , the prisoners was ACQUITTED .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-68

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70. ANN GWYNN was indicted for stealing, on the 6th of November , 1 shift, value 2s. , the goods of Samuel Isaacs .

ELIZABETH ISAACS. I am the wife of Samuel Isaacs , and live in Three-tun-alley, Whitechapel . About the 6th of November, the prisoner came to my house, and said,"If you please, will you let me mind your child?" I said, What makes you go about so; she said, "I have no friend but a father who uses me very ill - I said, "Have you no mother?" she said, "Yes, in St. Thomas Hospital;" I took her in and kept her that day - I used her well, and gave her three-pence - after she was gone my little girl went up-stairs, and missed a shift - she afterwards found the prisoner, and dragged her home - I said to her,"You have taken the shift" - she said, no she had not - I said, if she would tell the truth I would not hurt her - she

then said, she had pawned it, and lost the duplicate - she took me to where it was.

GEORGE KIRBY . I am shopman to a pawnbroker. I have the shift pawned by the prisoner for 1s. 6d. - she said, she brought it for her mother who was ill.(Property produced and sworn to.)

GUILTY . Aged 11. - Confined Four Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-69
VerdictGuilty; Not Guilty

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72. HENRY WILD and MARY GARDNER , were indicted for stealing, on the 29th of October , 11 pair of stockings, value 14s.; 12 caps, value 14s.; and 1000 yards of net, value 3l. 12s. the goods of Thomas Fenner , and that Wild had been before convicted of felony .

JOHN REDDISH TORBOCK (police-constable, 62 T.) About seven o'clock in the evening, on the 29th of October, I was on duty in the Uxbridge-road; the two prisoners passed me by the Coach and Horses - they had each a bundle in their hands; I told Wild I wished to know what his bundle contained - he said, lace and stockings, and I was very welcome to look; I looked and it contained net caps, and stockings, with some pieces of pasteboard and part of a bonnet box broken up; I asked him where he brought them from - he said from Witney - I said that was not a place for buying such things, and I took him to the station-house; I asked him how many there were - he said when he bought them he had twelve caps, but he had sold three or four of them - they were counted and there were twelve of them; I then asked how many stockings there were - he said he had had twelve pairs but he had sold two or three pairs, and he had sold one pair that day for 8d. - I counted them and found ten pairs of worsted stockings, and one pair of cotton; I then asked Gardner the price of the net - she said she knew nothing of the price as he had bought every thing; I then asked Wild the price, he said "I gave 6d. a yard for it and I have sold it for 7d., 8d., or what I could get;" I said I should detain them for having goods and not giving a satisfactory account of them; we were about to lock them up when Gardner turned round and said,"I hope you will not have me locked up as I only met him a little while previous to meeting you, and he asked me to carry one bundle which I did" - Wild said "Mary how can you say such a thing? you are not only convicting me but yourself, though my punishment may be greater than yours; but as you have said a little I will say a little;" he then said he had met with her about twelve o'clock that day, in St. Giles's, and she said "It is a pity we have not got more money," and he said "I have got 6d. - let us go and have some alamode," and they went and had some; and then came out and took a walk, and between Shepherd's-bush and Acton, they met a hawker, who was very much intoxicated, and he asked him to take hold of his arm, and he asked Gardner to take the hawker's bundle; he said "She walked on towards London, and I kept hold of the man till I got to the dead wall and there I left him, and joined Gardner;" he also said he had been tried and convicted, about two years ago, and sentenced to death, but he was a man of very good education and by his address, he had got off with six months imprisonment; but he told the governor he could not go to hard labour, and he was put to solitary confinement and to live on bread and water - he was quite sober.

THOMAS FENNER. I am a dealer in British lace ; on the 29th of October, I was going from Shepherd's-bush to Acton; I was intoxicated and do not recollect any one coming up to me; but I had my bundle at the Black Lion at Bayswater; it contained twelve caps, worth 14s., about one thousand yards of net, worth 3l. 12s. 0d. and twelve pairs of stockings - I missed it when I got to Acton, between five and six o'clock - this is my property.

JOHN CRAFT . I live with the prosecutor. I went to Bayswater with him and gave him the bundle at the Black Lion - he was then sober.

EDWARD SCEENY . I come to identify the prisoner Wild - he was tried and convicted by the name of Henry Bradfield - I was present and know he is the man.

Wild's Defence. I was proceeding from London and overtook the man on the road; this woman was with me but she was a stranger; the man was tipsy and he asked me take his arm; he said, "Is that woman your wife?" I said yes; he said to her "My good woman carry this; I am so ill; I am broken hearted; I shall never get home;" he began to cry; and he gave her the bundle; when we got to Acton, he said, "Where is your wife?" I said "She is coming behind;" we went to the George, and he called for a pint of beer and a pipe of tobacco for me, and then he laid his head down and went to sleep; he gave the things to the woman; I did not take them from him.

Gardner's Defence written. On Tuesday, the 29th of October last, being out of a situation and wishing to get employwent as a servant of all work, in a public-house, I went to Mr. Wright's register-office, in Hatton-garden and I received the names of several public-houses at the west-end of the town, who were in want of servants. On my return towards home in the evening, I was accosted by the other prisoner, with two bundles under his arm, and to whom I was a perfect stranger, he asked me which way I was going; after some hesitation I stated I was going to my lodgings in the neighbourhood of Milton-street, upon which he said "I have just left my situation and am going into Holborn," and he would be glad if I would assist him in carrying one of his bundles, which he said contained his clothes, as far as I went, which request I foolishly complied with.

WILD - GUILTY . Aged 30 - Transported for Life .


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-70
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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73. THOMAS SMALLWOOD was indicted for embezzlement .

2ND COUNT, for stealing an order for 18l. 10s.

THOMAS BOURDILLON . I am a barrister - my chambers are in Lincolns Inn - the prisoner was my clerk for about a year and three-quarters - on the 24th of October, I sent him to the India-house , to call on my brother, who is a clerk there, and to bring a cheque back in a letter; I expected the prisoner to bring back a cheque for 18l. 10s. 0d.; but he never returned to me and I never received it.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was the prisoner in your service alone? A. No; of myself and two others he had behaved very well before - he had received monies before and brought them safely - I heard

of a person named Price in the course of my inquiries, and I firmly believe the prisoner was led to this by him; I would render him every assistance to get a situation in the country.

COURT. Q. Although other persons employed him, yet it was his duty to bring this cheque to you? A. Yes; he had 9s. a-week, which we paid jointly.

EDWARD DOWNE BOURDILLON . I am brother of the prosecutor. I am a clerk in the India-house; on the 24th of October, the prisoner came to me for a cheque for my brother for 18l. 10s. 0d.; I enclosed it in a note and gave it him.

Cross-examined. Q. Who was it drawn by? A. By Francis Bourdillon - I did not see any person with the prisoner - I had known him in my brother's employ - I heard he conducted himself well.

WILLIAM EWINGS . I am cashier at Gosling and Sharpe's the banker's; I paid this checque - I cannot say to whom.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you ever see a man of the name of Price? A. Yes; I cannot say whether I paid it to him.

FRANCIS MALLOLIEN . I took the prisoner on the 26th of October, in Lambeth; I told him he was charged with stealing a cheque from his employers; he said that in an unguarded moment and tempted by a companion of his he had made use of the checque.

Cross-examined. Q. Will you undertake to say, that his words were not, that in an unguarded moment he had suffered another person to take the letter from him? A. I believe his words were, that in an unguarded moment he had done it, but he should not have done it if he had not been led away.

Prisoner's Defence (written). The circumstances of the case are as follow: - I was sent by the prosecutor to his brother for a letter; I received the letter, with its enclosure (then unknown to me) the cheque; I was accompanied by a young man named Price; when I got the letter Price prevailed on me to accompany him to a public-house, which I to my sorrow did; we went into two or three - while in one of them, I pulled my handkerchief out of my pocket, and with it the letter, which fell on the ground; Price stooped to pick up the same, and did so with the seal broken - Price said he must have trodden on the seal, as it was broken; he then opened the letter and kept it, with the cheque in it; it is here necessary for me to admit that from what I had drank, I had become intoxicated, and was not conscious of what I was doing - while I was in the public-house, Murray, the witness on my behalf, came in, and he will detail what transpired. I, together with Price and Murray, afterwards left the public-house, and we took a cabriolet and drove to Serjeant's-inn, Fleet-street - Price then said, he must go to chambers, and say he should not be there again that evening; I and Murray walked into the Temple to wait for Price - Price joined Murray and myself, and we all went to mine and Price's lodgings, in Moor-place, Lambeth, to dinner; and I have no doubt that it must have been when Price left, as he stated, to go to his chambers, that he went to the bankers in Fleet-street, and got the money for the cheque; as I have since learned that Price had not been in employment at Serjeant's-inn for several weeks before that day. The witness, Finnis will state to you, that I was quite drunk when I came home and did not in consequence eat any dinner, but went to bed, and remained there till nine o'clock - the same witness will also prove that Price was indebted to him for seven week's lodging, and was not able to pay the same and yet immediately; after this cheque was stolen by him, he was enabled to raise sufficient money to pay his passage to New York.

HENRY FINNIS . The prisoner lodged at my house - a man named Price also lodged with me, and was in debt seven week's rent - on a Thursday in October (I cannot say the day of the month) I remember the prisoner coming home to dinner with Price and Murray; the prisoner and Price were both in liquor - the prisoner generally behaved very well.

MRS. FINNIS. The prisoner lodged with me for some time - Price lodged there; he has gone away suddenly, and left 4l. 11s. in our debt.

John Moor , Alexander Sunigston , and Samuel Morgan gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY. Aged 18. - Recommended to Mercy by the Prosecutor and Jury . - Confined Six Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-71

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74. JOHN KNIGHT was indicted for stealing, on the 16th of November , 1 butter flat, value 1s.; 1 butter cloth, value 6d.; and 28lbs. of butter, value 30s.; the goods of Joseph Hedges , and others .

JOSEPH HEDGES. I am a carrier . I lost this butter from my waggon in Newgate-street ; I did not see it taken out, but I took the prisoner with it - this is the flat; there were 28lbs. of butter in it.

THOMAS HIGHLANDS . I am a patrol. I was on duty, on the 16th of November, in Warwick-lane; I saw the prosecutor with the prisoner, and this flat of butter; I took him into custody.

The prisoner put in a written defence, stating that a strange man in the street had employed him to carry the basket.

JOSEPH HEDGER . It was put down by the side of the waggon, which we were packing.

GUILTY . Aged 47. - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-72

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75. FREDERICK WILLIAM ELLIOTT was indicted for stealing, on the 1st September , at St. Botolph Without, Aldgate , 1 pump iron, value 1s. 6d.; 3 instep leathers, value 2s.; 1 pair of upper leathers, value 1s. 3d.; 1 window blind, 2s.; 1 basket, value 1s.; 2 sovereigns; 1 half-sovereign; value 2 crowns; 24 half-crowns; and 14 shillings, the property of William Horn Mead , his master, in his dwelling-house .

WILLIAM HORN MEAD. I am a shoemaker , and live in Shaftesbury-place, Aldersgate-street . The prisoner had been with me three months, and for about six weeks was my apprentice - on the 1st of September, he took the property stated, out of a chest of drawers in the room I sleep in, on the first floor; it is my dwelling-house, and is in the parish of St. Botolph without, Aldgate; the money and the property I lost amounted to 7l. 5s. - the prisoner absconded, and was taken in two or three months afterwards - he had given me no notice of leaving me - I have lost the whole of the property.

ROBERT DREW (police-constable R 140). I took the prisoner on the 7th of November - I charged him with vagrancy, as he was sitting about the doors - we found at the station-house that there was an information against

him respecting this robbery; I told him of it; he made no answer, but the next morning, when he was taken before the magistrates at Greenwich, the magistrate asked Mr. Thomas how the prisoner effected the robbery; he said, he believed he broke open a lock - the prisoner said, if he said he broke open a lock, he told a lie, for the lock was open.

GUILTY . Aged 17. - Transported for Life .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-73

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76. GEORGE MANSELL was indicted for stealing, on the 9th of November , 1 handkerchief, value 2s., the goods of Thomas Brown , from his person .

THOMAS BROWN . I am a warehouseman . On the 9th of November, I was near the foot of the Old Change - I felt some one's hand in my pocket; I turned and took hold of the prisoner, who was close to me, and my handkerchief was at my feet; I did not see the prisoner drop it - this is it to the best of my belief - there were other persons about.

GEORGE GURNEY . I am an officer. On the 9th of November, I was on duty about a quarter past four o'clock; I saw the prisoner behind the prosecutor, and in a moment I saw the prisoner with this handkerchief in his hand; the prosecutor turned and said, "You have picked my pocket" - I saw the prisoner drop the handkerchief.

Prisoner's Defence. I was with my father and sister, and lost them, and this gentleman accused me of picking his pocket. I had never seen it till it was in his hand.

GUILTY . Aged 18. - Confined Nine Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-74

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77. RICHARD HAMMOND was indicted for stealing, on the 9th of November , 1 handkerchief, value 1s., the goods of a certain person unknown, from his person .

EDWARD WILD . I am an officer. On the 9th of November, at four o'clock in the afternoon, I saw the prisoner in front of me as I was crossing the road; there was another person with him - the prisoner put his hand into a gentleman's left-hand pocket, took this handkerchief out - and put it into his own trousers - I secured him, put my hand into his trousers, and took the handkerchief out: in consequence of the pressure of the crowd, and an attempt at rescue, I could not find the gentleman.

Prisoner's Defence. I went to see the Lord Mayor's show. I trod on something; I stooped down and took up this handkerchief; the officer then laid hold of me. I did not know whose it was. Why did not you secure the gentleman you saw me take it from? Witness. I saw him take the handkerchief from the gentleman, but there was such a crowd I was obliged to take the prisoner down Lamb's lane before I could secure him.

GUILTY . Aged 19. - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-75

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78. CORNELIUS BURKE was indicted for stealing, on the 17th of November , 1 handkerchief, value 1s., the property of John Kelly , from his person .

JOHN KELLY . I am an auctioneer . On the 17th of November, I was near my own house in Smithfield , about one o'clock in the day - I had just come from church; I felt something at my pocket; I turned and saw the prisoner with my handkerchief partly on the ground, and partly in his hand; I laid hold of him; some person came up and said, "Let the boy go;" but a gentleman coming by, said he saw him take it, and we took him to the Compter - there were two persons close by at the time.

Prisoner's Defence. I was going by and two boys threw it on the ground. I took it up, and the gentleman said, I had picked his pocket. The two boys ran across the road.

GUILTY . Aged 11. - Transported for Fourteen Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-76
VerdictNot Guilty

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17. WILLIAM CONNELLY was indicted for a robbery on John Hartshorne, on the 4th of November , putting him in fear, and taking from his person, and against his will, 1 watch, value 3l.; 1 seal, value 20s., and 2 watch-keys, value 1s., the goods of the said John Hartshorne .

JOHN HARTSHORNE. On the 4th of November, I was obstructed in my way about eight o'clock in the evening, just by Cripplegate church , for a man stood before me; he moved and I did the same; I put up my stick and said, "Go one way or the other" - whether the stick struck him or not, I cannot say; but after I had passed him I saw him cross the way and join four or five other persons - I went on to London-wall, and when I got to the corner of Basinghall-street , I was suddenly pulled round by a pull at my watch; I had a tight coat on, and in turning I had my hand nearly on the prisoner - but another of his companions came between us and gave him the start; he ran off; I pursued, and never lost sight of him - there was a glass of a watch picked up the next morning in a court he passed by.

Cross-examined by MR. PRENDERGAST. Q. How long was it after this, before any man was brought back to you? A. I never lost sight of him till he was stopped and brought back to me - I admit I never saw his face, but I never lost sight of his back - I did not say I could not speak positively to him, and decline to give charge of him- I don't know Murrell by name - I mean to swear solemnly, that I never expressed any doubt as to this being the man who was concerned in robbing me; I went to the watch-house with him.

Q. Now, did you not decline, even at the watch-house, to swear to this man for some considerable time? A. No; I always said that was the man - I did not see his face; he was in the act of running as he pulled me round - I cannot tell how far he ran; he was not out of my sight; it might be twice the length of this court; it was light - I saw him clearly - I never said, that as I had not seen his face, I did not like to swear to him.

RICHARD LEWEN . I was constable of the night. I went to see the course the prisoner ran, and found the glass of a watch about five yards up Evans-court, Basinghall-street.

JOHN HARTSHORNE . The prisoner went along Basinghall-street, and passed that court; he was taken on the spot, and I went to the watch-house with him.

Cross-examined. Q. Neither the watch, nor seal, nor key were found? No; I was not the first person who had the prisoner in custody.

THOMAS BARKER . I am ward beadle. I was leaving my home at eight o'clock that night to appoint the watch; the prisoner was running with speed; I joined in the

pursuit, laid hold of him at Girdler's-hall, and gave him to the officer.

Cross-examined. Q. Was there not an officer who had him in custody? A. No man had him till I took him - there was a man who said he had heard a noise and ran, but I had the prisoner before that - there was a gentleman came up and said he was not the man.

Prisoner's Defence. I was going to meet Mr. Sadgrove: in crossing Fore-street I saw this gentleman crying, "Stop thief;" a constable came up and said,"Are you running from the cry?" I said, "No;" he said, "It is not him;" but I was taken to the watch-house; Mr. Hartshorne then came in, but did not swear to me; he was taken out by Lewen, and then he came in and booked the charge.

JOHN HARTSHORNE. We went out to see for the watch.

- MURRELL. I am a patrol of Cripplegate. I was on duty on the spot, and was present when the prisoner was first taken - the prosecutor came up and said, he could not positively say whether he was the person; I asked him twice, and he took me to the spot where the robbery took place; and according to the situation, I consider he must have lost sight of him while he turned the corner - the prosecutor said, he could not positively say he was the man, but he was running at the time - I remained about a quarter of an hour there; the prosecutor did not express any more doubt, but he said he could not positively say he was the man; he did not express any other opinion while I staid - I went away on my duty, considering it was a case that would fall to the ground - I took the prisoner in charge in the street; he pulled off his coat, wished to be searched, and said he was innocent; I went with him to the watch-house.

COURT. Q. How long have you been a patrol? A. I was appointed on the 31st of August; I was a watchman before - the prisoner pulled off his coat himself - there was no watch found on him - I know he had been running; the corner he turned was in London-wall; I was not there, but the prosecutor said he turned it - I consider if the prosecutor says he never lost sight of him, he must be wrong; the prisoner was taken about fifty yards round the corner - I have not known innocent men run away.

Q. Do you mean to say upon your oath, that you collected from the prosecutor's conversation, that the prisoner was not the man, or one of the men? A. He could not be positive - he did not say he was the man, and give charge of him in my presence; I left him there; he said he believed the prisoner to be the man, but he would not be positive; he said he had not seen his face, but he had seen his back; I did not hear him say he had never lost sight of him.


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-77
VerdictsNot Guilty

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80. DAVID PARRY was indicted for stealing, on the 12th of September , 4 yards of printed cotton, value 2s.; and 4 3/4 yards of other printed cotton, value 2s. 6d.; the goods of Thomas Darke Allin , and another, his masters ; and HANNAH PARKER was indicted for feloniously receiving the same, well knowing them to have been stolen , &c.

THOMAS SHEPPERSON . I am in partnership with Mr. Thomas Darke Allin; he has no other partner; we are warehouse-men and linen draper's ; Parry had been our porter about three months; we had his lodgings searched in St. George's-in-the-east; he told us they were his lodgings; we found there some duplicates - we went to some pawnbrokers, and saw several new articles, which no doubt belong to us; they were patterns and qualities that we know; we found two articles we can swear to.

WILLIAM BROCK . I am a pawnbroker, and live in the Commercial-road. I produce two pieces of cotton; one of them I took in from the prisoner Parker, and I have no doubt the other was pawned by her - I knew her by frequenting the shop.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. When was the one piece pawned by her? A. On the 15th of October; the prosecutor came to see if he could find any of his property in our stock; I don't think he put a mark on this piece the first time he came, but I believe he did the second; either he or his foreman came again; the first time they came, he examined this piece, and found some private mark on it.

Q. Upon your oath, did he not mark it the second time? A. I think he did; I believe he took the measure the first time, to see what length it was.

Q. Do I understand you to say, that the prosecutor put a mark on this remnant the second time he came to the shop? A. I believe he did - I will not swear he did.

COURT. Q. Can you swear whether he did or not? A. I do not remember.

ROBERT THOMAS JOHNSON . I am warehouseman to the prosecutor; I went to the pawnbroker's, and on looking at the goods by candle-light, I thought I discovered marks on this piece, but I was not certain; I could see a mark on this other - I know them to be my master's, from my own marks being on them; they had been taken from the pile in the warehouse - Parry was employed as porter to pack up and to carry out goods occasionally.

Cross-examined. Q. When had you seen this brown remnant last? A. It might be three months; I cannot tell what hands it had gone through after that; I will not swear when I had seen it in the warehouse - I first saw this piece at the pawnbroker's on the 26th of October - I did not quite identify it then, from seeing the marks by candle-light.

Q. Did you so recognise it then, that you would presume to swear to it? A. I did; I went a second time, because I had seen it first by candle-light, and I could not distinctly make out one of the marks; I said I saw a mark immediately, and I recognised it faintly.

Q. Did you not swear to me most positively, that the first time you examined this, you recognized it to be your master's; and did I not ask you why you went a second time, if you could recognise it the first? A. I went five times to satisfy myself; I saw marks faintly, but being by candle-light, I was not certain.

ROBERT BERWICK . I was in the police. I searched Parry, but found nothing on him; I went to their lodgings; I found Parker there and searched the lodging, but found nothing which led to any thing of

the prosecutors; I asked Parker if she had any duplicates; she gave me some, and I selected six, two of which lead to this property; I went with Johnson to the pawnbroker's, and he identified one of these pieces and stuck a pin in it, but the other, it being candlelight, he could not recognise; he went again on the Monday after, recognised it, and stuck a pin in it; we asked Parker how she got these; she said Parry brought them to her - she cohabited with him.

THOMAS SHEPPERSON. To the best of my belief this property is mine.

JURY. Q. Do you cut your goods? A. No; they must have been stolen in whole pieces, if at all; we have sold pieces of these patterns.


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-78
VerdictGuilty; Guilty
SentenceImprisonment; Transportation

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81. BENJAMIN UNDERWOOD and THOMAS SMITH were indicted for stealing, on the 12th of November , 48lbs of lead pipe, value 5s.; the goods of James Farren , and fixed to his dwelling house , &c.

WILLIAM KENT . This house is a beer shop, No. 99, Holborn-hill ; it is the dwelling house of Mr. James Farren ; about seven o'clock in the evening of the 12th of November, I was up stairs on the lead flat over the yard; I heard some persons come into the yard, and some water splashing; it struck me they were cutting the water pipe; I looked over and saw one man on the look out, and another at the pipe; I ran down and saw the prisoner Smith come in, out of the yard and turn into the tap room; I waited for the other prisoner to come from the yard, but he did not; I then took a candle, went into the yard, and found him; I saw this pipe cut off; I had seen the two prisoners once or twice before.

BENJAMIN CATMULL . I am an officer; I took the prisoners, and have the lead; I found this saw in the privy; it seems to have cut lead.

Smith. Q. Did you ever know me in custody before? A. I believe you have been: you had better say nothing.

Smith's Defence. I went to take part of a pint of beer, and was taken into custody.

WILLIAM KENT . I saw him come out of the yard.

Mr. Nicholl's, of Saffron-hill, gave Underwood a good character.


Confined Six Months .

SMITH - GUILTY . Aged 18.

Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-79

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82. WILLIAM THATCHER was indicted for stealing, on the 9th of November , 1 shawl, value 2s.; the goods of James Brown , from the person of Eliza Brown .

ELIZA BROWN . I am the wife of James Brown . I was at the corner of Farringdon-street , about four o'clock in the afternoon, on the 9th of November; my sister-in-law's father took me to see the Lord Mayor's show - one of the prisoner's companions put his knee on my back, while the prisoner got the shawl off my shoulder - the officer took the shawl from him - this is it - Elizabeth Morley was with me.

ELIZABETH MORLEY . I was with this witness - I asked her to make way through the crowd; she said, she could not, as some one was pressing her down with his knee, and another was taking her shawl - I turned, and saw the prisoner with the shawl, which he had got all but a very little bit, while I was getting the other man away from her - I struck him a blow in the face.

JOHN COLLIER (police-sergeant, P 8). I saw the prisoner take the shawl; I seized him; he fell down - I tried to get the shawl from him, but he had got it twisted round his hands; I held him, and the other officer got it from him by force.

THOMAS HODGES (police-constable P 102). I was with Collier - I pulled the shawl from the prisoner, when he threw him on his back; it was twisted round his hand.

Prisoner's Defence. I was passing through the crowd, and the shawl got entangled round me; there was no one with me.

GUILTY . Aged 19. - Transported for Fourteen Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-80
VerdictGuilty; Guilty

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83. THOMAS IRONMONGER and EDWARD GALE were indicted for stealing, on the 3rd of November , 1 half-crown, 1 shilling, 2 sixpences, and 2 pennies, the monies of William James Field , from his person .

WILLIAM JAMES FIELD . I am a tailor . On the 3rd of November I was in Whitecross-street , about six o'clock in the evening - I was with a friend, in a public-house, where the two prisoners were; we had been drinking, but neither of us were drunk - we staid till three o'clock on Sunday, which was the time that house shut up - and the prisoners said they would bring us to a house where we could have something to drink; we went, and had two or three pots of beer - I was awoke by a person who asked if I was robbed; I found I was; I got an officer and apprehended Gale - when I went to that house I had 5s. in my pocket; I paid 4d., the remainder was in my pocket, and was taken out while I was asleep - both the prisoners were in the tap-room, and Gale was near to me.

Gale. He states that he had 5s. when he went there, and he paid 4d., but he paid 3d. more. Witness. No; I did not.

DANIEL BALDOCK . I am a tailor. I was with the prosecutor, we fell in with the prisoners about half-past two o'clock; they were strangers to me - I expected they were working men - it was time to shut up the house we were in, and they said they would take us to a house, which they did in Lower Whitecross-street - the prosecutor fell asleep, and Gale struck me; the prisoner Ironmonger then took me out of the house, to ask me if I could fight; I said, I could take my own part - I then went in again; Allin then told us something, and we awoke the prosecutor, who missed his money.

JOHN ALLIN . I lodge at that house. I went out for a walk, and on my return I found the two witnesses there, and the two prisoners, and three of their companions; they were all drinking together - I sat down alongside the two witnesses, near the fire - the prisoners and their companions were drinking, and they handed me the pot, and I drank; they then offered me the paper, and wished to get me away, but I sat still - they then began to talk about fighting, and represented Gale as a fighting man,

and a hard hitter - Ironmonger then called Baldock out, and while he was out I saw Gale take something out of the prosecutor's pocket, who was asleep, but I could not see what it was; he divided it, and put some in his own waistcoat pocket, and some in another pocket - I got up and told the landlord; he sent me to the station-house, I found one officer there, but he could not come - when I got back the prisoners were going out; I then went to the station-house in Bunhill-row; I got an officer, who took Gale first, and the other soon afterwards.

Ironmonger. Q. Did I not do all I could to keep peace with all parties? A. You certainly insinuated that Gale was a fighting man; and that it was dangerous for either party to have anything to do with him.

WILLIAM GROVE (police-sergeant G 6). Allin came to me - I went and took Gale - I found on him four shillings, one sixpence, four pence, three halfpence, and one farthing; 5s., all but a farthing.

Ironmonger's Defence. I am innocent. I was drinking with all parties. I did my uttermost to keep peace and quietness. I called Baldock out, with a view to keep peace. When I went in again they seemed to wish to have words. I went away to the Two Brewers, where I smoked my pipe till I was taken. I never saw Gale again, till at the station-house.

Gale's Defence. I have worked for my present employer for the last five years, who, I expected, would have attended, or sent his foreman. The money found on me was my own.


GALE - GUILTY . Aged 28.

Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-81
SentenceImprisonment; Corporal > whipping

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OLD COURT. Saturday, November 30, 1833.

First Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Common Sergeant.

84. THOMAS JAMES was indicted for stealing, on the 5th of November , 1 wooden till, value 3s.; 109 pence, and 1 halfpenny , the property of John Emblin .

WILLIAM RICHARD REA . I am in the service of John Emblin , of Leather-lane . On the 5th of November I was in the back shop, and observed the prisoner in the shop, about twelve o'clock; he was going out with the till under his arm - I ran after him, and caught him; I took him to the station-house - he dropped the till as he ran; this is it.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Where were you? A. In the back shop - the door was open - there is a partition across; when the door is closed I cannot see into the shop; I was making candles in the back shop - the prisoner was about ten or twelve yards from me; I saw his back going out of the shop - I ran after him forty or fifty yards, and never lost sight of him; I was close behind him; I came up with him by Hatton-wall.

RICHARD EMBLIN . I am the son of John Emblin . I was in the back shop with Rea, and ran out after him, and picked up the till; part of the money dropped out; there had been 9s. 1 1/2d. in it - I did not see the prisoner till I got to the office - I cannot say who dropped it; I was not five minutes after Rea; the till laid in the street for five minutes; I did not leave the shop till I found he did not return - the money was all in copper.

RICHARD FYLER . I am a constable of the N division. I was passing in the street, and took the prisoner up - the till was given to me by Emblin.

Christiana Planner , 15, Great Guildford-street, Southwark; Daniel Edwards , coal-dealer; and Thomas Jenkinson , seaman, gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY . Aged 17. - Confined Three Months and Whipped .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-82

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85. WILLIAM BROWNE was indicted for stealing, on the 18th of October , 4 pair of sheets, value 10s.; 4 pillow cases, value 2s.; 2 bolster cases, value 2s.; 2 table-cloths, value 15s.; 1 handkerchief, value 2s.; 5 lbs. of sugar, value 3s.; 3 ounces of tea, value 1s.; and 1 piece of flannel, value 3d. ; the goods of Robert Marshall .

SARAH MARSHALL . I live in Cleveland-street, Fitzroy-square . The prisoner came to lodge at my house; I had a leather trunk and a deal box in the room he slept in - they were both locked - on the 11th of October, I put into them the linen stated in the indictment, and locked the trunk and the box - the prisoner staid until the 18th, when I went into his room and examined the trunk and box - the trunk was broken open, and four pair of sheets, two bolster cases, three table-cloths, and a handkerchief taken - the prisoner did not come home that night - he came in the next morning, and I gave him the key of the room as usual; he went to the room, and while he was there, I got a policeman - while he was in the room he removed two more table cloths from the trunk - I came up with the policeman, and found the table-cloths outside the trunk, and on examining the deal box that was broken open, that had not been broken open the day before, some tea and sugar was taken from that box - the tea and sugar and table-cloths are here - nobody could have broken open the box but him; nobody else had been in the room - these articles are mine - I am the wife of Robert Marshall .

EDWARD BELL . I am a police-sergeant. On the morning of the 19th, I went to the prisoner's room with Mrs. Marshall - Mrs. Marshall requested to be admitted; he would not open the door; I burst it open, and found him sitting on the bed - two table-cloths were lying on the top of the trunk, and the box was broken open, and under the bed I found the tea and sugar - Mrs. Marshall pointed to the bed the prisoner slept in, and in that I found two jemmies, which corresponded with the marks on the box - when I got him to the station-house, in his waistcoat pocket, I found a handkerchief, which the prosecutrix identified.

Prisoner. The handkerchief is my own. I bought it of a shop-mate.

MRS. MARSHALL. The handkerchief is mine; I swear to it; I am sure it is mine.

GUILTY . Aged 48. - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-83
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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Before Mr. Justice Littledale.

86. JEREMIAH BORRETT was indicted for feloniously stealing a certain letter, addressed to Louisa Cowles ,

at No. 1, Manchester-street, Manchester-square, and containing 3 sovereigns, the monies of Lucy Louisa, Countess Dowager of Winterton , which came into his hands and possession whilst he was employed as a letter-carrier , by and under the Post Office of Great Britain .

2ND. COUNT. For stealing 3 sovereigns out of the said letter.

Two other counts stating the sovereigns to belong to Elizabeth Cowles .

Three other counts charging the prisoner with stealing the said sovereigns, without stating him to be employed under the Post Office.

Messrs. ADOLPHUS, SHEPHERD, and SCARLETT, conducted the prosecution.

LADY WINTERTON. On the 22th of October, I was at Brighton, and had occasion to make a remittance to Miss Cowles in London; (looking at a letter) I wrote this letter, and inclosed in it three sovereigns - I wrapped them up in a very little bit of silver paper, and pinned the paper to the letter - I sealed the letter after enclosing the sovereigns in it - I was in a very great hurry about it - I sealed it, and think I came into the room again to look at it - I placed this little spot of wax, I know, underneath it, to keep it, and the wax is still there not broken - I gave it to the footman to give to the coachman; the letter now appears to be directed to No. 11, Manchester-street; I put No. 1, on it - I think the I must have been altered to 11 since I sent it to the Post-office; I think I directed it to No. 1 - I saw the letter at Bow-street some time ago, and three sovereigns were then in it - I cannot swear the letter was not in the same condition when I saw it at Bow-street as when I sent it to the post - I cannot swear the seal was not in the same state at Bow-street, as when I sent it to the Post-office; it had not been opened; it was opened at the office; I saw it before it was opened; it was handed to me before it was opened; it appeared rather different to what it was when it left me, because it had been tossed about.

Q. Did the seal look as if it had remained untouched or unbroken? A. I cannot swear one way or the other; when it was opened there, three sovereigns were in it - I cannot swear whether they were the three sovereigns I sent - the piece of silver paper was not in it; it might have dropped out - I saw the letter opened at the office; when it was opened I did not see the silver paper in it - I pinned it when I put it into the letter; I had wrapped the sovereigns in the silver paper, and pinned the silver paper to the letter - Miss Cowles, to whom I directed the letter, at that time lived at No. 1.

Cross-examined by MR. STAMMERS. Q. I believe your ladyship has said, the sovereigns in the letter at Bow-street were not other sovereigns than those you put in the letter? A. I cannot say whether they were or not; I was in a great hurry when I put them into the letter, and put them in a very small piece of silver paper; I do not think it was as large as the palm of my hand; it was half as large; it was single paper, very thin - I was in a hurry at the time I pinned the paper to the letter; I think I pinned it to the letter; I cannot swear whether I did it so, as to prevent it falling out of the letter - I did not seal the ends of the letter - if I had addressed the letter without any money in it at all, I think it would have been exactly in the same state - I do not see any pin-holes in the letter - I will undertake to say I put a pin in the silver paper; I can only speak to the best of my recollection - I thought I pinned it - I have carefully examined the letter; I do not see a pin-hole - I sealed the letter with the same seal that is here; this is the identical impression of the seal I used; it has a plough on it; it is not my common seal, but it is the seal I sealed the letter with; I have no doubt but this is the identical impression I made on the seal of the letter - the words on the seal are "Speed the -" I stated at the office that I sealed the letter with black wax, but I said as I did not write in my own name, that I might have taken the red wax instead of the black - I am in mourning, and in the habit of using black wax, and I have no doubt I have used black wax, as it has my seal, and I use paper with a black edge - I put No. I on the letter - I was in a great hurry at the time I wrote the direction - I was in as great a hurry when I thought I pinned the silver paper to the letter - I conclude I was in a greater hurry when I wrote the address - I think I did not put two one's on the outside of the letter; any thing is possible - to the best of my recollection I only put one; I can only swear according to my recollection; I am almost sure I did not put two ones, to my recollection I only put one. I admit it might be possible - I gave it to the footman, and directed him to give it to the coach-man, who was to put it into the post-office.

Q. I beg to ask whether you can swear, looking at the letter, which of those one's is your ladyship's? A. It appears to me that is the one next to the M - there is no material difference between that and the other - when I gave the letter to the footman, I desired him to tell the coachman it was a money-letter, and he must take care of it - the letter was in a very dirty condition and unopened when I saw it at Bow-street; I cannot swear that it was in a different condition to what it was when I gave it to the footman at Brighton; it was not so clean as when it was out of my hands, at the time it was sealed- the silver paper might have dropped out - it was plain the sovereigns had not dropped out, for they were in the letter when I saw it at Bow-street - the three sovereigns certainly might have dropped out accidentally.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. You put the three sovereigns into a bit of silver paper? A. I did; that silver paper entirely covered the sovereigns, and formed an envelope for them, but it was very thin - I put the sovereigns and paper inside the letter, enclosed them in the front of the letter where the writing was, and turned up the ends afterwards- I directed the letter to Miss Louisa Cowles, No. 1, Manchester-street - I had no intention at all of sending to No.11 - this place was not cut when I first saw the letter at Bow-street; it was cut there - I did not perceive any silver paper or pin when I saw the letter at Bow-street.

CHARLES COURT . I was footman to Lady Winterton, at Brighton. In October, I remember her giving me a letter for the coachman to take to the post-office - I think I gave it to him immediately; I gave it him in the same condition as her ladyship gave it to me; I do not

know whether there was any thing in it or not - her ladyship said I was to take care of it, for it was a money-letter - (looking at the letter) - this appears to me to be the same - I remember it was addressed to Miss Louisa Cowles , No. 1, Manchester-street, Manchester-square - I am quite sure it was No. 1, and not No. 11.

Cross-examined. Q. You were not examined at the police-office? A. No; I was not there - I was not called on for some time after the letter was given into my hands to tell anybody about the state of the letter - I do not know how long ago it is - the examination at Bow-street, took place last week - I was not called on, except her ladyship asking me if I gave it to the coachman - I should think that is nearly a month ago - I told her I gave it to the coachman - I cannot say whether she asked me whether there was only one figure of 1 on it - the letter was sent on the 22nd of October and a few days after that, she asked me whether I took it to the post, or gave it to the coachman - I do not think she asked me any questions about the outside of the letter - I cannot say whether I have told anybody before to day, what I have said about the outside of the letter - I did not observe when I took the letter, whether there was anything in it or not - Lady Winterton told me it was a money letter - I know there was only one I on it, because I looked at the address - I did not examine it, only the address - I did not examine it at all; I only looked at it and saw what the address was - I looked at it carefully enough to see what the address was - I looked at it carefully enough to swear there was only one I on it, and not two, I am positive - I think I gave it to the coachman immediately that I brought it down from her ladyship, but I cannot swear that positively.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. Was the letter out of your possession from the time you received it, till you gave it to the coachman? A. No; I gave it to him in exactly the same state as I received it fromher - I should have gone to Bow-street, if her ladyship, or the solicitor desired me.

GEORGE DEE . I am coachman to Lady Winterton and was so on the 22nd of October - on that day I received a letter from Court to take to the post - I think it was between seven and eight o'clock in the evening - I took it to the post-office directly, and put it into the letter box - I read the address on the letter - (looking at it) this is the letter - it was directed to No. 1; this is No. 11; there was only one 1 on it I am quite sure - it felt as if money was in the letter - I did not hear any gingle - if there was money in it, it was not loose - I put it into the office in the same state as I received it.

Cross-examined. Q. What did the footman say to you? A. He told me to take it to the post-office, and take care of it for there was money in it - I do not know the exact time the post goes out - I believe the box closes at nine o'clock - I took it to the post office directly - her ladyship's house is within a quarter of a mile of the post-office - I was not employed doing anything at the time the footman gave it to me - I supposed by the weight of the letter there was as much as two or three sovereigns in it - I am at times in the habit of examining my mistress's letters - I did not shake this letter about - I put it to the post office - I had no curiosity to know whether there were two or three sovereigns.

Q. Have the goodness to tell me which of these figures was on the letter when it came to your hands? A. I believe the first 1; the nearest to the figure 2, to the best of my knowledge - I cannot undertake to swear that - I cannot write very well myself.

COURT. Q. What is the price of a single letter A. 8d.

MR. STAMMERS. Q. I understand you to say the I nearest the figure 2 (which has been put on at the postoffice,) is the one which was on it when it came into your hands? A. I think so; I cannot see any difference between the two figures.

THOMAS RAVENSCROFT . I am a clerk in the general post-office. On the 23rd of October, I was clerk of the money book - a letter put in at Brighton on the 22nd would reach the London post-office the next morning - when money letters arrive at the office they are entered in a book - I have that book here - I find on the 23rd of October, an entry of a money letter, in my own hand writing, "Brighton - Cowles, 1, Manchester-street" - we number each letter as we enter them in a book - I have entered this letter No, 7 - this letter bears the same address that I copied except being now No. 11 - it is the letter I copied into the book - I should think it was not No. 11 then - I do not think it probable, that I should put I so clearly as this is, for 11, but I cannot swear it - there was no other Brighton letters that morning, with the same address - when we enter an address of this kind we make out a receipt for the letter carrier to take to the person for whom the letter is addressed - those receipts are distributed through the office to the letter carriers - they are sorted as letters - when I copy the address of the letter in the money book, I keep the letter for a certain time, and when the letter carrier brings me a receipt agreeing with the address in my book, I give him the money letter - as soon as he gets the money letter from me, it is his duty to sign the book as an acknowledgment of having received it - it is the letter carrier's duty to come for the letter when he receives the receipt, and on shewing me the receipt I look to see if it corresponds with the letter I am to deliver up; I then give him the letter and he puts his signature in the book as having received it, and I return him back the receipt - he has to take it to the party to whom the letter is addressed, for them to sign as his own security, that they have received the letter - there is the signature to the address of the letter in this book - it is J. Borrett; I should think it is the prisoner's signature but I do not know his hand-writing - the signature under the address, signifies that he has received the money letter corresponding with that address.

JAMES AUSTEN . I know the prisoner's hand writing, and I believe this signature to be his writing.

Cross-examined. Q. How often have you seen him write? A. Frequently - he was in the habit of signing the book every morning.

THOMAS RAVENSCROFT cross-examined. Q. I suppose mistakes sometimes are made in the Post-office? A. Certainly - the postage of a letter sent from Brighton with three sovereigns inclosed is 2s. - we always enter money letters in the book - letters do go sometimes without being

entered, but three sovereigns would be too heavy to escape observation - when I entered the letter in the book, to the best of my belief I should say, that the figure one next to Manchester-street was on it - I cannot say that this is the one - I swear according to the best of my belief - I did not examine the letter particularly - I have not much time to examine them, only to know if there is any hard cash in them - I knew there was gold or silver in it - I should say it was three sovereigns - it was very heavy, but I could not tell whether it was two or three - there was some hard cash in the letter, if not it would have been written on it, that there was no cash in it - there was some thing hard - I could not see whether it was sovereigns or shillings.

Q. How many letters may you enter in the course of a morning? A. From fifty to a hundred - I have about an hour and a half to enter them in - hardly that sometimes - this was not a very heavy morning - there were seventy-five letters.

Q. Will you undertake to swear that that morning, you did not enter number one, instead of number eleven? A. I cannot - I certainly might have made the mistake - I am not infallible - nobody checks the entry - it is examined with the receipt; it is a mere hurried entry of my own - a receipt is written out from the letter, not from the book, and given over to be sorted as letters - the letter carrier keeps the receipt - the letter carriers bring the receipts to me, and they are returned to him to get signed - the receipt is given over to the sorters, to sort as letters, and when the carrier receives the receipt, he brings it to me, and if it corresponds with the receipt he has the letter - the receipt does not come into my hands again - I cannot swear the receipt ever went into the prisoner's hands, as two or three hundred men are there - it is evident the carrier came and here is his receipt for the letter - we sometimes keep a money letter in our hands half an hour, and sometimes twenty minutes before we give it to the carrier - when all the letters are sorted, they come for the letters, and bring the receipts.

MR. SHEPHERD. Q. When you parted with the receipt and letter, did you give it to the person who signed the book for it. A. I did, that I am sure of - I copied the entry in the book from the letter, and also the receipt from the letter - if I copied the letter wrong, I did so twice - it is not probable that I should copy it wrong twice; it is possible - my object is to copy them correctly - I have been clerk there about a year and a half - the paper does not indicate it to be a double letter - if a letter weighs a full ounce, the charge is 2s. 8d. - they charge according to the weight, at all events - a large sheet of paper would be equally the same, if it contained any inclosure, if it was weighed - this is charged as a treble letter - they don't weigh them except they exceed an ounce - they judge from the thickness, whether it contains one or two inclosures - this letter of itself would be charged single without the sovereigns - if the money were separate we should be able to know how many pieces of money were in it, but if together, we could not, because some people put so much wax - it would be hap hazard very often - three pieces of money in a letter would be liable to be charged 2s. - if the person at Brighton had told the post-master at Brighton that it contained three pieces of money he would charge 2s. - if it don't weigh an ounce they only charge 2s.

MR. STAMMERS. Q. Don't they frequently make mistakes at the office in charging letters? A. Certainly.

LOUISA GEORGIANA COWLES . On the 22nd of October, I lived at No. 1, Manchester-Street, with my mother - I expected a remittance of three sovereigns from Lady Winterton at Brighton - I did not receive a letter at that time from her Ladyship.

Cross-examined. Q. For what purpose did you expect the remittance? A. I don't know - it was not in payment of a debt from her to me - I suppose it belonged to me - if it had come to hand.

Q. Can you swear if that money had come to your hands, that it would have belonged to you, and been your property? A. No.

Q. How came Lady Winterton to send the money to you? A. It was on her brother's account; he lives in Regent's-park - if I had received the money, I should have done as I pleased with it; I should have kept it for my own use, to lay out as I pleased - it would have been a present from her brother to me - I did not receive the letter - I have never lived at No. 11, Manchester-street - I don't recollect whether I was at home on the 23rd, when this letter should have arrived; I cannot say whether I was or not; I might have been out - I have lived at No. 1, about four months, and was living there between the 22nd, and 24th of October; I am known there by the name of Louisa Cowles - I have never gone by any other name, nor in any other place; nor was my mother known by any other name.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. If you had received the money, should you have to give an account of it to Lady Winterton's brother, or have spent it in what you pleased? A. Spent it in my own pleasure - I did not receive the letter at all.

ELIZABETH COWLES . I am the mother of Louisa Georgiana Cowles ; she lived with me at No. 1, Manchester-street on the 22nd of October, I had lived there about four months in October; I never received any letter by the general-post at that place, directed either to myself or my daughter - I expected Lady Winterton would make a remittance to my daughter or myself; I never received that remittance - I was not at home on the 23rd; I saw the letter at the General Post-office - in consequence of not receiving a remittance, my daughter wrote to Lady Winterton in a few days, and an answer arrived to that letter by a friend - in consequence of what I heard, I spoke to the prisoner as the postman on the beat; I spoke to him on the 31st of October, in the evening when he was going to ring his bell; I asked him if he had ever had a letter addressed to Mrs. Cowles, No. 1, Manchester-street; he said, "No ma'am, I did not know a lady lived there by that name" - he did not say he had a letter directed to that name at No. 11, in that street; he said he would do all in his power to find it for me, and let me know the following morning - when I asked him about it, I said it was a double letter - I saw him the following morning when he was delivering his letters; I accosted him at the door, and said,"Postman, have you found my letter?" he was very much affected, and said, "I am very uneasy about your

letter, ma'am - I have signed for your letter, ma'am, and must have had it; and I have mislaid it, ma'am, or given it to a Mr. Hart by mistake"; Mr. Hart is a gentleman living in the same house with me, who was in the habit of having a great many letters every morning -(he had been out of town several days at Brighton) - I said, "Postman, has Mr. Hart got my letter then?" he said, "No, ma'am, he has not; but there is a possibility of such a thing by mistake; as he has so many; there is a possibility of it having been given to him by mistake" - I told him I had written to the General Post-office, which he regretted very much; he said so - I had written after I had seen him the night before - he requested I would have the goodness to write again to Mr. Critchett, and say there was no blame to be attached to him, and he would look for the letter; he said he would look among his papers at home, and look for the letter, and call on me again that evening, or the following morning; I fixed for him to call on the following morning - when he came his round with the letters, he said he was sorry, and would rather look up the money than lose his situation - I said it was a small amount, and I hoped it was not lost; I believe I said it was three sovereigns; we parted then - I waited till eleven o'clock on the following morning, and I heard that he called after I left home - I did not see him at my house that morning; I went to the General Post-office at eleven o'clock and stated my complaint to the solicitor, and the prisoner was brought before me; this was on Saturday, the 2nd of November - inquiry was made of him concerning the letter in my presence - and he pulled the letter out of his pocket instantly, and gave it to the solicitor, Mr. Peacock - he was examined then by Mr. Peacock; the examination was taken down in writing - Mr. Peacock asked him why he kept it so long; he said he had mislaid it; and did not know he had it till then - I believe that was all he said - he said he had offered it at No. 11, and it was refused there - he did not state what sort of a person he offered it to at that moment; I believe that is all that occurred before Mr. Peacock - I was present at Bow-street when Sarah Payne was there, and he said she was the person he had offered it to; I believe this was said in the public office.

Cross-examined. Q. How long had you lived at No. 1, Manchester-street? A. About four months; and have not received a single letter from the General Post-office while there, nor has my daughter either; I was quite a stranger to the postman, and he was quite a stranger to my name, and to my daughter's name too; he did not know such a person was living there; I was out the day the letter should have come, but when I came home, I inquired if a postman had brought a letter; I was out walking with my daughter that day - I cannot exactly say where we were walking; the letter might have been presented unknown to us - the money was intended for my daughter, but I am in the habit of receiving it for her, because she is under age - she is between fifteen and sixteen; all that is my daughter's I consider my own, because she is under age; if the £3 had come to her hand, she would have delivered it over to me instantly; I was at that time expecting a remittance from Lady Winterton - I did not know whether it would be addressed to my daughter or myself; if it had came to hand, my daughter would instantly have given it up to me; she acts as a child at present; I never lived in Lady Winterton's service, and am no relation to her; the £3 was to be appropriated to educate my daughter with, or do as I liked with; when I inquired of the postman about the letter, I asked if he had a letter directed to Mrs. Cowles, No. 1, Manchester-street; he said, "No, Ma'am; I did not know a lady lived there by that name; but I will do all in my power, Ma'am, to find it for you and let you know to-morrow morning;" he did not deny next morning that he had had the letter - he said he was very uneasy about my letter, that he had signed to it, and must have had it; Mr. Hart had been in the habit of meeting the postman in the street, and taking all the letters he had for himself at that address; Mr. Hart was at Brighton on the day the inquiry was made, and his letters were again directed to him at Brighton; Mr. Hart was in town on the 23rd of October, and would meet the postman that day and take his own letters; he said he had mislaid it or given it to Mr. Hart by mistake; I did not see the prisoner again, till I saw him at the General Post-office; when I first saw him, I accosted him in the street, he did not mention Mr. Hart's name the first time - the second time I saw him, I accosted him at the door, to know if he had found it; he said, "No, I am very uneasy about your letter, I have signed to your letter and must have had it, and have mislaid it or given it to Mr. Hart." I said to him, "Postman, has Mr. Hart got my letter." he said, "No Ma'am, he has not, but there was a possibility of such a thing, he has so many;" when I saw him at the Post-office, he did not hesitate about pulling the letter out of his pocket.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. What time of day were you at the Post-office? A. I was there about twelve o'clock, having left home about eleven o'clock; he had promised to call on me that morning, but did not do so.

JAMES AUSTIN. I am an inspector of letter-carriers, at the General Post-office; about the 1st of November, I remember a complaint of a letter directed to Miss Louisa Cowles, not having arrived; I questioned the prisoner on the subject - I told him the letter was directed to Miss Louisa Cowles , and asked if he recollected having had such a letter; he said he had no recollection of it; I repeated the question again, and he gave me the same answer; I repeated the question again; I said, "It is stated that a letter was sent from Brighton, directed to Miss Louisa Cowles, containing three sovereigns;" he said a third time he did not recollect it; I said it was very odd he could not recollect, because the letter was said to contain three sovereigns; he said he had no recollection of it; I said "Come with me and go and see the money book;" he did so - and I opened the money book in his presence, and pointed out to him where the letter was entered, and the signature, and asked him, "Is this your signature?" he said, "Yes;" I then said to him, "Now don't you recollect?" he said, "No;" and we went back to the letter-carrier's office from which we came, and I said, "Now don't you recollect?" and he said, "No Sir, if I have had such a letter, I may by mistake have

delivered it to a Mr. Hart, with his letters;" he said Hart lived at No. 1, Manchester-street - here is written on the letter, "Not known at No. 11, Manchester-street;" to the best of my belief, this is the prisoner's hand-writing; he was desired to come back on the morning that I first questioned him; he did so, about the middle of the day - I desired him to attend at twelve o'clock the following day, which he did not do, neither was he there at one o'clock; and about twenty minutes after one o'clock, as he had not returned, I went in pursuit of him; he came that day I think, about two o'clock; he would be done delivering his letters, about half-past ten or eleven o'clock and was desired to attend at twelve o'clock.

Cross-examined. Q. You have been in the witness-box before? A. Yes; I was shown that hand-writing; it was merely to prove the prisoner's hand-writing to that book - to the best of my belief, it is his hand-writing - I have no doubt about the signature to the receipt, in the money-book - I have no doubt about this writing on the letter being his; he has written on the letter, "Not known at 11, Manchester-street, J. Borrett" - that is the usual mode in which letter-carriers endorse a letter, when the person cannot be found - if he had presented the letter at No. 11, Manchester-street, and it was refused there, and no such person was to be found, it would be his duty to hold it in his possession twenty-one days; that is before he sends it to the Dead Letter-office - I asked him about the letter three times before I showed him the book; his answer was, that he had no recollection of it - when I showed him the signature in the book, he did not hesitate, in the least, to say "This is my signature"- the prisoner was desired to come back on the same day as I first questioned him about the letter, and he came back that day, according to my orders, about the middle of the day - his delivery is about two miles and a half from the Post-office - I appointed for him to come the next day at twelve o'clock, and he came back about two o'clock; but I was not in the office at the time, as I had gone after him.

MR. SCARLETT. Q. When a carrier gets a money-letter, he takes a receipt to the clerk of the money-book, and receives the letter, and enters his signature in the money-book as having received it? A. Yes; he should keep the receipt as a proof that he had delivered the letter - if he cannot find the person it is addressed to, the receipt and the letter should be together in his possession.

WILLIAM WOODS . I am inspector of letter-carriers at the Post-office. On Saturday, the 2nd of November, I expected the prisoner to come to me at the Post-office at 12 o'clock; he came about two o'clock - I and he then went to Mr. Peacock's office; I was expecting him for the purpose of going to Mr. Peacock's office - as we went along to the office he said, "Thank God, I have found the letter!" I said, "What letter?" he said, "The letter containing the sovereigns;" and when we got to Mr. Peacock's office, I mentioned to Mr. Peacock what he had told me, and he put his hand into his side-pocket, and took out the letter - I saw it - (looking at it) this is the letter - there was written on the face of it "Not known at No. 11, Manchester-street, J. Borrett," as it has now - he gave it to Mr. Peacock, who asked him where he found it; he said, in a little desk in his room - Mr. Peacock asked him where the receipt was, he said, he had looked for it, but could not find it anywhere.

Cross-examined. Q. Are you acquainted with the course of his duty, with respect to letters refused to be taken in? A. Yes; if he had taken the letter to No. 11, Manchester-street, and the answer "Not known" was given, it would be his duty to keep it in his possession three weeks; he was at liberty to keep the letter until the 13th - it may have happened to me to be two hours after my appointment at times.

Mr. SHEPHERD. Q. Although it is the duty of a carrier to keep a letter twenty-one days, if he cannot find to keep a letter twenty-one days, if he cannot find the person - is it his duty to deny all knowledge of it, if he is asked about it? A. Certainly not.

GEORGE LEADBITTER . I am an officer. I was present at Bow-street, on the 2nd of November, when the prisoner was in the office, and heard what passed on that occasion - the letter was produced - it was not cut open; it was cut open at an examination after that; it was entire at that time - I did not observe any part of it displaced: with the exception of its being open it is in the same state now - the prisoner said he had offered the letter at No. 11, Manchester-street, to a tallish, thinish woman, and that she said there was no such person lived there as the letter was addressed to; and that she gave him the letter back - I went to 11, Manchester-street the same evening, and found the person he described; and on the Wednesday following I showed him Sarah Payne, and he said, that was the woman he had offered the letter to.

Cross-examined. Q. When you saw the letter at the Post-office it was entire? A. It was - I cannot say that it was as uninjured as when it was put into the Post-office, - there was no appearance to be observed of any attempts to open it; I did not examine it - it was not my duty - he said, he had offered the letter at No. 11, Manchester-street, which was the address on the letter - he said, it was a tallish, thinish woman - Sarah Payne is not a short fat woman; I should say, she is just the sort of woman he described, with the exception of not being very tall; she is a thin woman - directly he saw her I asked him if she was the woman he offered the letter to at No. 11; he said, yes, she was.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. You did not observe the letter particularly at the office? A. I did not; it was cut open with a knife being put in at the end, and carefully opened afterwards; it was opened at the top of the part which turns down at the seal - it is precisely now in the same state as when it was opened, except that there are no sovereigns in it.

Q. You say No. 11, Manchester-street is the address on the letter; whether that address had been altered you cannot tell? A. I cannot - there were three sovereigns in it when it was opened; they were loose - the letter was opened on the table in the office - they were loose in the centre of the letter.

COURT. Q. When you saw it before, was there anything in it which indicted that it contained sovereigns? A. Yes; I heard sovereigns gingle in the letter when I

first saw it; the prisoner was present then - there was no remark made to him at that time about there being money in it.

SARAH PAYNE . I am servant at No. 11, Manchester-street. I know the prisoner by sight; I have received letters from him - it is part of my duty to answer the door - I have no recollection of the prisoner's presenting a letter directed to Miss Louisa Cowles ; if such a letter had been presented to me, and I had returned it at the time, I should have recollected it.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you remember the 23rd of October? A. Yes; I have no reason to remember that particularly more than any other day - I do not know what day of the week it was; I do not know how long it is since that day; it is not three months - I consider myself a thin woman; I do not think myself very short, not undersize - if I was called a tallish, thinish woman, I should think I answered the description very well - I have frequently taken letters from the postman; I cannot say how often - a great many times - I do not know anything about the postage of letters at all - I will undertake to swear, the letter here to day was never presented to me on any occasion at that house, because there is black on the letter - there are only my master and mistress, a son and daughter in the house - I never received a letter with a black margin on it, like that.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. From within a fortnight of your being at Bow-street, if such a thing happened to you, could you have forgotten it? A. I could not; I receive the letters, but there are no inmates in the house but my master and family, and two more servants.

COURT. Q. Did you ever refuse any letter since you have been there? A. I have, since I have been to Bow-street - a letter came the other day; I turned a letter away one letter two months before I was at Bow-street, that was presented by the prisoner - I took it up to mistress - she said, it was not her's, and I took it back to him - that was not the letter now produced.

WILLIAM BUCKINGHAM . I am a clerk in the Postoffice. (looking at the letter) I cut this letter open at Bow-street, on Friday last; I cut it at the top, and found three sovereigns in it; it is in every respect as it was then - there were three sovereigns loose in it, without any silver paper or pin - before I cut it open, I examined it; I thought it had been previously opened - the letter had been actually torn open without breaking the seal, as letters usually are, with the exception of breaking the seal; that would not have disturbed the impression, if opened with care - if the sheet of paper was perfect when sent from Brighton, it is evident the letter must have been opened before I cut it open - I can hardly explain why, it is better seen than expressed (handing it to the Jury) this seal has been lifted up, and it has been fastened down with wax - if the sheet of paper was perfect before, it is impossible for the wax to have adhered to this fold - there is an opening underneath the seal; it appears to have been torn open - that hole penetrates to the outside of the fold, the outside of the inner half-sheet; not into it.

COURT. Q. The cutting or opening goes through more than one fold? A. Only through one thickness of the paper - this inner part has been torn since by accident by the Countess.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you mean this hole? A. Yes; that was torn by Lady Winterton - before that was no opening there; there was not the slightest opening from the outer envelope to the inner envelope - when the sovereigns were found in the letter they were perfectly enclosed in it; I could not have shaken them out; they could not have been shaken out and replaced - if the sheet of paper had been perfect when it was written, it must have been opened since - I have seen imperfect sheets of paper; it is possible imperfect paper might find its way to the Countess - the imperfection must have been where the outer half-sheet adheres to the inner one; I cannot swear this was not originally imperfect, nor undertake to swear that this was not done by putting on the seal in a hurry; if Lady Winterton had put the seal on in a hurry, and the wax had gone on both folds, the paper must have been discoloured, and that is not the case - the wax could not penetrate through paper without burning it; it could not burn without being discoloured; it is possible the wax might go through both sides of the paper without the flame, but the paper must have been discoloured by heat; it is not discoloured with the black sealing-wax - the injury does not extend through both folds of the paper - I will undertake to swear this injury was not produced by tearing open the letter as I opened it myself, and am prepared to swear it - I should say the sovereigns could be got out; if the paper was not injured previous to the sovereigns being enclosed the paper must have been opened and re-sealed - the letter has been opened in my opinion; consequently any thing could have been got out.

MR. ADOLPHUS. A. In your opinion, the letter must have been opened before you opened it? A. Certainly; during thirteen years experience in the Post-office, I have had to inspect a great many letters which have been opened in a similar manner to this; that fact is well known to persons in confidential employments in the Post-office - it would not be made generally known in the office.

COURT. Q. You say under the seal there is a slit? A. Yes; when that slit was first made I could open a letter in precisely the same way as any other letter; by opening the letter I could take the whole contents out - to a common observer it is possible to cover over that part, so as to conceal that it had been opened - it would not be possible to draw out the ends of the letter; in that case the ends would have been rumpled; it would not be possible to draw out the ends of the letter, so as for the sovereigns to fall out, without the cut, not without there being any appearance of it, which there is not - the part under the seal exhibits marks as if the letter had been entirely opened.

Cross-examined. Q. Look at a small spot of black sealing-wax near the seal; has that ever been broken at all? A. On my oath, I cannot say; there is no impression on it, nor is the paper torn - it is impossible to say whether that small spot of wax, near the seal, has ever been opened at all; I have no belief on the subject; it is so trifling - if I put another piece of wax in

the same manner, I could open it and close it again so that nobody could perceive it.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. Suppose there to have been a small spot of wax at the place which it has been opened at, is it perfectly easy to put on another small spot of black wax? A. It would be easy to be done, but I conceive a small knife would open that.

COURT. Q. Suppose that small piece of wax was broken, could it be replaced by another piece, so as to exhibit the same appearance as it does now? A. Yes; I should say it might.

MR. STAMMERS to LADY WINTERTON. Q. I beg to call your attention to that small piece of black wax; does that appear to have been put on purposely, or dropped casually? A. I put it on purposely; it appears exactly in the same state as I put it on, except that it has been broken in Court now, except that breaking it adhered a little before - it does not appear to me to be the least altered - I will not swear that I did not open the seal of the letter after it had been sealed, and before it left my hands, because I was in such a great hurry, and it is a long time ago - I cannot swear I did not open it after it had been sealed, and re-seal it before it went to the office.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. When you first sealed the letter did you put the little bit of black wax on it for double security? A. Yes; I put it on after I put the large seal on - I have been considering and I really cannot swear I did not open the letter after I put on both pieces of wax - I was in a great hurry - I did not wish my own seal attached to it, and I considered what seal I should put on it - when I first wrote it I had just entered my house at Brighton; and left the room, as I wanted to give some orders and might have opened the letter again; on reflection and consideration, I think I added the little spot of black wax afterwards - there is no impression on the small piece of wax - I cannot say it might not have been opened and replaced by another piece of wax; but it being so small a quantity of wax, it don't appear to have been touched - if I opened the letter I did not take out the silver paper.

COURT. Q. When you put the small piece of wax on, did you put it underneath the paper or only on the top? A. I placed it in this way; I have opened a letter sealed with wax and resealed it again.

Prisoner. I leave the case in the hands of my counsel.

GUILTY - on the three last counts only.

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-84
VerdictNot Guilty

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87. JOHN WILLIAM HARRIE was indicted that he on the 13th of November , at St. Mary Bothaw , knowingly, wilfully, and feloniously, did send to one Ford Hale a certain letter in writing with a fictitious name, to wit, the name of Joseph John subscribed thereto; directed to the said Ford Hale, by the name and description of Mr. Hale, No. 7, Cannon-street, City, threatening the said Ford Hale, in and by the said letter, to burn his house ; which said letter is as follows:

Sir, - You have been robbed to a considerable amount I understand, but as you would not give me a character, I will do for you, and your son's business. You are being robbed now by a person whom you little suspect and who can put on a long face as well as anybody. Remember well the 16th day of November, that being Saturday, when you will have your place fired, and you yourself way-laid by some person whom you will never find out: good bye for ever, when this note comes to you by to-morrow. - Your's &c.


against the statute &c.

2nd COUNT, like the first, only stating the letter to threaten to kill and murder the said Ford Hale.

3rd COUNT, for sending a like letter to the said Ford Hale and William Hale, threatening to burn their house, shop, and out-house, and that the prisoner had been before convicted of felony. (See Laurie, Mayor, 6th Sess. p. 585.)

Mr. Bodkin conducted the prosecution.

MR. FORD HALE. I carry on business in Cannon-street, City, as a wax and tallow chandler ; I have premises there and I live on the premises - I have no other residence, nor any other place of business - the prisoner was apprenticed to me about twelve or thirteen years ago; he served me seven years, and afterwards worked with me as journeyman , and married a servant or mine, and continued to work as journeyman for me - his wages were 28s. a week - in June last, I had reason to suspect his honesty - I preferred an indictment against him.

MR. CLARKSON (for the prisoner). Q. Did you go out of court when the witnesses were ordered out? A. I did; I was not in court - I was not between the curtain and the door - I did go out of the court, and came in again.

COURT. Q. Were you within hearing of any part of the statement of the counsel? A. I cannot say I did not hear a few words; but I went out of court; which the policeman can testify - I had not returned a minute when I was called - I do not know Mr. Hobler's clerk - I heard somebody come in, and I just popped in for a moment - I certainly stepped in for a moment but I could not relate anything Mr. Bodkin said - I did not hear anything he said.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Were not you inside, and the door shut on you? A. No; I do not think this gentleman found me between the door and the curtain - I do not know him.

COURT. Q. Were you so inside the court as to hear what passed? A. I was not; I was not long enough in court to hear the statement of the counsel - I had no opportunity of hearing anything he said - it was so short - the door was not shut - I was outside the door - to say I did not hear, would be wrong; but I did not understand a word - I was there a second or so.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Did you hear me make any statement of facts to which you are to depose? A. No; the prisoner left me in June, for a period of three months, during which time he was in prison; he left me on a Saturday - I paid him a sovereign on Friday night, and he left me next day - I saw him again at my house, on the 26th of October - my son was in the shop then - he came and said, I owed him 8s. to make up the week's wages - which I should have done, if he had stopped; and I gave it him, rather than have any quibble, and he went away - he came again on the 13th

of November, about two or three o'clock in the afternoon; he spoke first to my son, in my hearing, and said, he wanted a pair of shoes - my son said, "I know nothing about your shoes - you had better not call; you may get yourself into trouble;" he turned round to me, and said,"I have called for my shoes" - I said, "I knew nothing about them, and wondered he should show his face there - he said, "I can show as good a face as you, and shall send you in a bill for 5s." - I believe, I said, at the Mansion-house, that it was between eleven and twelve o'clock he came, but it was about three o'clock; the bill of 5s. was for the shoes - he spoke rather roughly, he was not there above a minute or two.

Q. Was it before this that an application had been made to you about his character, by Mr. Beech? A. Yes; he had got a situation before that; he was out of confinement about the 5th of October, and I think an application was made about his character, by Mr. Beech, about a fortnight after - I should say it was from the 12th to the 20th of October - I made a communication to Mr. Beech on the subject of his character, he is in the same business as myself - I afterwards, saw Beech on the subject, and I know he went into Beech's service; and I believe he was in his employ when he called about the shoes - I heard so - I saw this letter on the evening of the 13th of November - I did not see it till about nine o'clock - I received it from my son William - (that was the night of the same day as the inquiry was made about the shoes) - I have seen the prisoner write - in my judgment it is the prisoner's handwriting; I believe it to be his writing - I went next morning to the Lord Mayor, and made a communication to him; one of my men sat up on Saturday night, the 16th, to watch the premises - three or four doors past my house, there is a passage leading to a billiard-room, near my stables, which are behind my house - the passage is separated from my premises, by a low wall, five feet high - Stevens was the name of the person who watched there - I did not employ him; he did it of his own accord; and Abel, the night-patrol, was told to keep an extra watch - I gave directions to the patrol in consequence of this letter.

COURT. Q. You received the letter from your son? A. Yes; it has a twopenny-post mark on it.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Did you, in June last, charge the prisoner with felony? A. I did.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was not your charge ultimately reduced to writing? A. No; I don't understand the question.

COURT. Q. Did you prefer a bill against him? A. Yes, my lord.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Are you a common-councilman? A. Yes; I have been so five or six years - I have served on special Juries, and on common Juries; not frequently on both - I cannot say how often on common Juries; it don't come to our turn very often - I don't think I have served twenty-eight days altogether - I don't know that I ever heard witnesses ordered out of Court - I served on a grand Jury last Sessions - I don't recollect that I ever did hear witnesses ordered out of Court - I will not swear it - I understood what you meant by ordering the witnesses out of Court - I had no reason for coming into Court - I came in, I suppose out of curiosity - on my oath I did not hear what Mr. Bodkin said, I scarcely heard five words.

Q. Will you swear you did not hear ten words consecutively? A. Not inside the door - the door kept opening and shutting constantly - I cannot say I did not listen - the door did not stand open - I cannot say, I did not hear when the door opened; but it was instantaneous - I did not hear Mr. Bodkin's statement; I tried to hear; I was outside, and was anxious, of course, as to what was going on - I was not constantly listening - I certainly did step in for a moment - I was not aware that my being out was so particular - I suppose I was ordered out that I should not hear the counsel open the case - curiosity excited me to come in to hear - it is of no use to disguise the cause.

Q. Did you not hide yourself behind the curtain because you was ashamed of being seen there, after being ordered out? I did not come on this side the curtains; but I did not remain there, because I was so short a time; getting behind, and remaining there, is another thing - I came in to hear but did not remain long enough to hear.

Q. On your oath were you not there five minutes? A. No; I was not - I did not know the importance of it, or I should not have done so.

Q. Pray give me leave to ask, whether you have any motive for prosecuting the prisoner? A. I have no motive but justice.

Q. On your solemn oath don't you know there is a charge before the Excise against you, for having fraudulently made candles without paying the duty? A. No; there is no charge - I never had one - I never knew of one in my life - I never heard of one against me - the prisoner talked about it at the Mansion-house - this man has reported such a thing about - my character, I believe, is as respectable before the Commissioners of the Excise as any man's - I have been thirty years under the excise - I never had an information, nor anything to injure my character - there was no charge against me for fradulently making candles, except what he said - I never heard of it before, except through him - I believe he has talked about it round the trade - I never had a charge against me - I never heard of a complaint from the Excise - this man has been talking ever since he robbed me, that he would do something, but I don't fear him - he has had plenty of time, since he was convicted, if he had any information to give - I don't know that the subject is under the consideration of the Excise at present - I feel confident I am not undergoing the scrutiny of the law officers at present - I don't believe the Commissioners of Excise have any information against me, for the duty has been off candles for two years - I swear I don't believe there is even a suspicion against me - I did not go to the office to inquire if there was a charge, after I had heard the prisoner had made such a charge - I never was afraid of the prisoner or any man.

Q. Why not make inquiry when you heard there was a charge? A. It was not worth my while - I was satisfied

there was no such thing - I should not have prefered this indictment, nor the other, if I had not been obliged - my own preservation obliged me - I have been under the Excise laws thirty years - I never was suspected, I believe; and to the best of my knowledge, no man in the trade stands better with the Excise than I do, and insinuations of this sort are very vexations - he has had time to do me an injury if he had thought proper to lodge an information - I know the prisoner's hand-writing well - I have no doubt of this letter being his; I have known his hand-writing twelve years, and I am sure it is his writing - some of it is disguised but it is his writing; some of it is hardly disguised; I know it to be his hand-writing - I am well acquainted with his writing, and am satisfied in my own mind that it is his writing - I should say it is his writing but rather disguised.

Q. The whole of it? A. I should say the bottom part is more disguised than the top - I know it is his writing - here is the word "fired" - it is plain to me this is his hand writing - I have seen him write that many times - the word fired is in very large characters - that is just the hand-writing I have seen him write - there are other words as much like his writing as that.

Q. Point them out? A. I should say the word "fired," and "character" - I believe the whole is his hand-writing - the fact is, it is all the character of his writing, particularly the upper part - the capital I's are his hand-writing - I believe it is his writing, on my oath - I mean to say it is rather disguised, the whole of it, but I am satisfied it is his writing - the bottom part of the letter in my opinion is more disguised than the top - that is what I said before - the word "character" is near the top in the fourth line, both the words "fired" and "character" are like his writing, one is like his large hand, and the other like his small hand - I think they are all disguised in a measure, but so much like his I could tell it in a moment - I say it is all his writing.

COURT. Q. Do you find such traces of his character of hand-writing as to satisfy you that it is his? A. I do?

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Now is there any word in the letter which you particularly notice, being particularly like his hand-writing, except the two words you have mentioned? A. The words "have," and "suspect" it is all like his writing - I should say the word "Saturday" is like his hand-writing - I am satisfied it is all like his writing - the words "person," and "understand" - I don't select any other.

Q. Now Mr. Hale, you told my friend that on his coming to you for 8s., he conducted himself very rough, what was the roughness? A. He said, I had done the worst I could do, and he did not mind me; and I gave him the 8s., and away he went after a little further conversation - I tried to talk and reason with him, as the thing was over - I begged he would not go on talking about me as he had done, and I said, "Now you have an opportunity of establishing your character, and I hope you will" - he said, "I don't care you have done your worst," and he would not listen to me- he would not hear me - on my oath I had not heard at that time that he had preferred a charge against me at the Excise - I never was afraid of any charge against the Excise laws - the conversation about the 8s. was on Saturday night the 26th of October - he never said a word about the Excise to me - he did not say he had preferred a charge - when he was in prison before, he had said he would rum me.

Q. Then why tell me you never heard any complaint had been made? A. There had been no complaint directly from the Excise-office - he never made a charge against me to my face.

Q. On your oath, did he not tell you on the 16th of October, that he had preferred a charge against you? A. He did not tell me so; he had been talking about the neighbourhood; I cannot tell who I heard it from - he had spread a report, but it never amounted to anything - it is a cruel accusation.

Q. Did not you on the 16th of October, pay him the 8s., telling him it would be better for him that he should not say anything against you, and after that, recommend him to a situation? A. I recommended him, and I am sorry that construction has been put on my motives - I never saw him on the 16th of October; the first time I spoke to him, to the best of my recollection, was the 26th; I wished to see him well, and rather wanted to show I wished him well; but I was not under any fear from the Excise - I had no reason - he took the money and away he went; I did not say, it would be better he should not say these things against me - I wanted to reason with him as a friend, to try and soften him down; he seemed to be so high, and said I had done my worst, and he did not care for me; I did not tell him it would be better not to say anything more against me, nor anything of the kind - I did not say it would be better; I said, "You have got a place, cannot you go on and get a character."

COURT. Q. Did you not say to him, you hoped he would not now talk of you as he had? A. It was not on account of the Excise, my Lord.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. What was it on account of? A. I had no motive at all, further than I wished to shew I was disposed to be a friend to him; it did not apply to making candles fraudulently; it really was, that I wished him well; all he could say about me, could do me no injury; I did not ask him not to say any more about me; I believe, I said, I hoped he would not talk about me as he had done; it was not from any fear - I cannot say why, I said so, further than from a kindly feeling I had towards him, that the thing might go quietly and die away - I meant my having prosecuted him; he had threatened me about the neighbourhood; what I said to him had no reference to what he had said about the Excise.

Q. About two years ago, do you remember a supper being given at the Bull's Head at Walbrook? A. I recollect that I gave the officers who used to visit me, some bread and cheese, or something of that sort; it was not to induce them to keep any secret, I gave them something to eat and drink; I think that was about the time the duty came off candles; I recollect doing so once, and only once - I swear positively, I have never given them any since that; we have only one officer visit us now; I don't think I have given them anything to eat above

once or twice in my life - I will swear I have not done it half-a-dozen times, nor five times.

Q. You talked about somebody you ordered to watch; what is his name? A. Abel, the patrol; I don't think he is here - I believe Stevens is not here - I did not ask him to come; my house has not been set on fire - I have not been done for.

MR. BODKIN. Q. How long is it since the duty has been taken off candles? A. Two years next January; I never had any charge or process against me in the Exchequer; the prisoner, never in his life to my face, said he had a charge to make against me - I have heard it rumoured in the neighbourhood as having been said by him - I have never in my life had even a caution from the Excise.

WILLIAM HALE . I am the son of Ford Hale. The prisoner left my father's employ in June - I saw him again on the 26th of October; he did not speak to me on that occasion; he spoke to my father in my presence - he merely called for 8s. wages; my father said, "John, I don't think 8s. is due to you; you did not serve the whole day, but rather than have any squabbling about it, (or something of that sort) here are the 8s.," and he paid him - I again saw him on the 13th of November, at my father's house; he came into the shop; he addressed me, and said, "Mr. William, I have called for my shoes"- I said, "Really, John, I know nothing about your shoes; you had better not keep calling, perhaps you will get yourself into trouble" - he then turned round, and addressed my father said, "Sir, I have called for my shoes" - my father said, "John, I know nothing about your shoes; I wonder you can shew your face here" - he said, "Face! I can shew as good a face as you" - my father made him no answer, but turned round and walked off; this was between two and three o'clock in the afternoon - I was at home that night; a letter came about eight o'clock by the twopenny-post; I took it in; this is the letter - I opened it, and read it, and gave it to my father - during the time the prisoner was in my father's employ I have seen him write often; I have known his hand-writing for eight years - I believe this letter to be in his hand-writing - I think it was in about an hour or three-quarters after I opened the letter that I gave it to my father.

Cross-examined. Q. Look at the letter carefully; you have seen the prisoner write for eight years? A. Yes; and became well acquainted with his writings - if I had seen an account he had made out, I should immediately know it was his hand-writing; and if I saw a letter written by him I should know it; as soon as I saw it, it was clear to me, that it was his hand-writing - I am acquainted with his ordinary style of writing; this is rather disguised, I should say the large word "fired" is not so much disguised as some parts - I think it is most disguised where it is folded down at the bottom, all but the large word "fired"; it is not so much disguised but I could tell it was his hand-writing - I think the lower part is much disguised, but the word "fired" not so much; it is rather disguised - it is disguised in the formation of the letter "R"; the capital "F" is not disguised; it is the way he would have written a direction - it was palpable to me, that it is his hand-writing - the word"have" is rather disguised, not more than the generality - the word "understand" is written in the way he would have written it, if in a hurry; I should say it is not disguised - the word "character" is not at all disguised, but just as as if he wrote in a hurry - the word "person" is disguised a very little, as if he wrote it in a hurry - I should say, the word "suspect" is not so much disguised as the lower part; I should say, it is not in the least disguised - I should know it, it is just as he writes when in a hurry; it is like his ordinary hand, when he writes in a hurry.

MR. CLARKSON to MR. FORD HALE. Q. Since the prisoner has been in custody, have you written any letters, or caused any to be written, to Giltspur-street Compter? A. No; none whatever.

ROBERT FIELD . I am apprenticed to Mr. Hale, and have been so nearly four years. I knew the prisoner while in the employment of Mr. Hale - I saw him after he left the service, on the 13th of November; he had called before that - I had no conversation with him on that occasion; he did not speak to me, he spoke to young Mr. Hale - I heard him say, "I have called for my shoes;" Mr. Hale said, "I know nothing about your shoes; you had better not keep calling, or you will perhaps get yourself into trouble;" and then he spoke to Mr. Hale; he left shortly afterwards - I saw him next on the 19th of November, about two o'clock in the afternoon; Mr. Hale was then at dinner - the prisoner addressed me, by saying "How do you do?" and "You are the only person in the house I shall ever speak to" - and then he took the liberty of looking at a list of orders I was packing up; he said, "What, are you packing these?" I said, "Yes" - he then spoke to me about how he liked his place, and what confidence was placed in him; he said, he had got a very good place - he then said, "I told Beech, on Saturday night, I would not wrong him of a sheet of paper; but as to the other one, I would take his life away if I could" - I exclaimed, "What, Beech?" he said, "No, Hale's." meaning the prosecutor - he said a few words more; I, being very reluctant to enter into conversation with him, took no notice of him; he then left the shop - I called Mr. Hale down stairs, and communicated this to him - I have frequently seen him write in Mr. Hale's service - I believe this word "fired" in the letter to be his hand-writing; I believe the whole of it to be his hand-writing, but part of it is disgused a little.

Cross-examined. Q. How long was the prisoner in Mr. Hale's service while you were there? A. Going on for four years; I think he had left Mr. Hale about four months - I have been there nearly four years - I have talked with Mr. Hale about this letter since he received it; I told him I thought it was the prisoner's handwriting, and he told me he thought so - I pointed the word "Fired" out to him; it bears the greatest resemblance to his hand-writing; every letter in that word is like his hand-writing; I think the "R" is not so much like it as the other letters - I told Mr. Hale I did not think it so much like it as the rest - I mentioned the "R" to Mr. Hale and his son; he told me to look at the word; I don't recollect that he told me to look at the little "R;"

I will not swear he did not - young Mr. Hale was not there when we were talking about it - he was present once; I don't think it was when the letter "R" was talked of - I will not swear that he did not point out the"R" to me; I cannot say that he did - I cannot recognise any word so much as "fired" - I am not positive of the word "have;" I think it is like the prisoner's writing; it is disguised - I believe the word "understand," to be his writing - I believe the whole of it to be disguised; that word appears disguised more than the rest that you have asked me about yet - I believe the word "character" to be his writing; I believe it to be the same as the rest; I think that disguised not so much as "understand," but rather more than the word "have" - I think the word"suspect," not so much disguised as the rest you have asked me about; but the word "fired" is more clear than any other - I think "suspect" is not so much disguised as any other part, except "fired" - I am not so positive to the word "person;" I think that is very much disguised - the words " Joseph John " are disguised; the two "J's" are, I think, very much disguised; I think there is a difference in the two "J's;" the "J" in the second line is more clear than the "J" in the fourth line; - the second is partly like his hand-writing; it is pretty nearly like the "J" he used to make - there are about fifteen persons in Mr. Hale's employ; some of them are in the house and some out - there are two other witnesses here who are engaged in the house, and one out.

Q. How many persons have as good opportunities of seeing the prisoner write as you? A. There is one more besides; that is Daniel Gilbey; he is here - it is not likely that the other servants who don't work in the shop, should know his hand-writing - two or three of them are in the shop parts of the year - Joshua Burr, and James Howard, sometimes work in the shop; I don't know who else exactly; there are various persons work in the shop; sometimes they work in the cellar; the carman, Thomas Stevens, is in the shop - there are three places where they melt the tallow to make candles with.

Q. On your solemn oath, have you not assisted in removing candles from one place to another in the night? A. No, I have not; never in my life.

Q. Have you ever removed candles at all after daylight?

COURT. If you consider the question involves you in any charge you are not bound to answer.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Will you answer or not? I cannot answer, because I know nothing about the case you speak about - I have not assisted to remove candles in the night or morning.

Q. My question is, have you never assisted in removing candles, or seen them removed, on your master's premises after day-light? A. No; I will not swear I have not done so, because I am not come on that suit.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Is it part of your duty to remove candles from one part of your master's premises to another by his direction? A. Yes - I never removed candles in the night - I have been in the service four years; it is impossible to tell how often I have removed candles from one part to another in that time.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Will you swear positively you have not assisted in removing candles from your master's melting-house to the general stock, in the absence of the Excise officer, as many as twenty times in a year? A. I have assisted in removing proper candles, which I have a right to move - I don't think it proper to answer the question; I don't consider it relates to the business I am come about, and I shall not answer - I have no objection to answer it, but I don't think I have a right to do it.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Mr. Hale has about fifteen persons in his employ; how many are employed in the melting-place? A. About three in each; there are three melting-places; nine are employed in making candles, &c., one in melting, and the other two in making candles - three have to do with the books and writing, and making the bills out; there is William Hale, (the son), myself, and Jonathan Hale, who has recently come into the trade; I mean in the shop, not in the counting-house - Thomas Hancock was in the counting-house; he has left three or four months - I have named every body who assisted in keeping the books while the prisoner was there - Gibbey is a candle-maker - he does not write, nor Joshua Burr , nor Howard, nor Stevens.

Q. You have been asked about the hand-writing in the letter; is the belief you have expressed about it, the result of your own judgment, or the result of any concert with Mr. Hale, or any body else? A. Immediatly the letter was shown to me, I recognized the word "Fired" - that was directly I had any intelligence about the letter - directly the letter was turned over to me I fixed on that word as I read.

HARRIET COE . I am a married woman; my husband is a tallow-chandler, and lives at No. 4, Maiden-lane, Queen-street. My husband works at Mr. Hale's, and from that I became acquainted with the prisoner - he was in the habit of calling at our house now and then - he called on the 13th of this month; my husband was not at home; I had some conversation with him at the street-door - after his telling me he had obtained a situation, he then commenced talking of Mr. Hale - he said he had called on Mr. Hale for 8s. due to him, that Mr. Hale refused paying, and he said he was a scoundrel - "Mrs. Coe," said he, "I have suffered innocently; should me, my wife, or family come to want, through the injury Mr. Hale has done me (taking a knife from his pocket, and opening it), this knife shall go through him, for my revenge I will have" - it was a large sort of pen-knife; he said, "I have youth and pluck on my side, and revenge I will have" - he said, as he was going from the door, "I am going there now" - he then left; it was about two o'clock in the afternoon - I did not see him again.

Cross-examined. Q. Where is your husband? A. I believe he is here; I did not laugh at what the prisoner said - I certainly thought Mr. Hale's life was in danger at the moment, but I did not go to Mr. Hale - the conversation was on the Wednesday, and I told Mr. Hale of it on the Saturday afternoon - Mr. Hale did not take me before the Lord Mayor on the subject; I first heard I was to be produced as a witness last

Monday - the knife was longer than your finger; it was not a pen-knife; it was a sort of clasp-knife; it was not more like a dinner-knife; I believe it was a case-knife; he took it out of his waistcoat-pocket, and unclasped it - I have known him better than five years - my husband is a candle-maker - I sometimes dress cottons at home; I have been employed there nearly four years - I saw the prisoner write, but not to know his writing; I dare say I have seen him write ten times; I cannot swear that I have fifty; I have seen him write now and then - I was not called on before the magistrate about this - I believe Mr. Hale's stables join the premises; to the best of my knowledge they join the house - I should be sorry to swear any thing about it - Mr. Hale called on me, and asked what I had heard him say, and I told him; most likely my husband had told him what I knew, as I told him the same evening - I never went before any Magistrate.

MR. BODKIN. Q. What was the manner of the prisoner when he used the expressions; was it jocular? A. He appeared more in a passion as it were; he appeared to speak rather rashly than not - I dress wicks at home.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Are you paid by Mr. Hale? A. Yes; I have seen the prisoner writing at the desk - my attention has never been called to what he was writing.

THOMAS HANCOCK . I am not in the employ of Mr. Hale; I was so for twelve years, up to August last - I knew the prisoner in his service perfectly well; I was in the counting-house as book-keeper and accountant - I have seen him write and am acquainted with his handwriting - I have carefully examined the letter; I have seen it before; in my judgment it is the prisoner's handwriting.

Cross-examined. Q. You were before the magistrate; I know what you said; on what do you form your belief of it being the prisoner's hand-writing? A. I believe it to be his hand-writing - I did not say before the Lord Mayor that I formed my judgment from the circumstances I heard from Mr. Hale - but from the letter itself; it was from the first part of the letter I formed that judgment - I did not state that I should not have judged it was the prisoner's if I had not heard of the circumstances; the question was asked, if I should have known it had I seen it anywhere else; I said, I might not have known it if I had seen it anywhere else - what I have seen I could identify, but if this had been presented to me in any other quarter on a sudden, in my judgment, I could not have spoken so clearly to the point - I say. I believe it to be the prisoner's hand-writing now, after having carefully looked at it; if I had not seen it in the hands of Mr. Hale I should have known it - I saw it in Cannon-street - I certainly have talked with Mr. Hale about it, before I went to the Mansion-house - three or four times in Cannon-street, and once or twice since I was at the Mansion-house - I am not Mr. Hale's servant; I am an accountant; I do not know one of the Excise-officers' names who have attended the business, nor their persons - I have nothing to do with that department; I believe there was a good many of them - I left Mr. Hale in August; I was told I was to be a witness about a week since I believe, when he was taken to the Mansion-house - the prisoner's hand might differ on account of the pen; he writes sometimes in large characters and sometimes in small.

Q. If the letter was written in a disguised hand, you would not have known it; A. No.

Q. As it is written in his ordinary hand, you think you do know it? A. Yes.

MR. BODKIN. Q. How old are you? A. Sixty-three.

JOB DANIEL GILBEY . I am a tallow-chandler in Mr. Hale's employ; I have been so twenty-seven years; I have seen the prisoner write - I believe the former part of the letter, as far as the word "suspect," to be the prisoner's hand-writing, and likewise the words "fired," and"Saturday;" I believe the whole to be his writing - the lower part is more disguised.

Cross-examined. Q. How long have you got your living under Mr. Hale? A. Nearly twenty-seven years; I can write myself; I do not say I write well; I can write my name without making a mistake - I am employed by Mr. Hale to do his work, and have nothing to do with the Excise; I have not been employed to remove candles from the melting-houses after day-light, or after the Excise-officer has gone, to the general stock; that I swear - I never knew the boy Field assist the prisoner to do so; I never knew it to be done.

Q. Have you ever known it done in Mr. Hale's business? A. Have I a right to answer the question? I do not refuse, but I consider it not a right question - I have not had anything to do with taking things away in an improper manner, nor has any one else done so - Mr. Hale never laid himself open to the Excise, to do or suffer any thing of the sort to be done - I do not sleep on the premises; I did for the first seven years; that is twenty-one years ago - I am there generally all night; the melting houses were seldom shut - we have no Excise-officers now; two years ago they came in, and out as they pleased - the Excise-officers came in the night.

Q. Will you, on your solemn oath, swear you never assisted, or were aware of candles being removed from the melting-houses while the Excise-officers were absent, to the general stock? A. I do not think the question has anything to do with it; I shall not answer it.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Have you ever heard of any complaint made on the part of the Excise about Mr. Hale's business? A. Never; not by anybody - there never has been, since I was in the house, anything to do with the Excise; he never laid himself open to it - I have attended the manufacturing night after night, and never heard any charge made against him.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Has not the prisoner preferred a petition to the Excise, charging the prosecutor with the offence, which is now before the Board? A. I have heard he has charged Mr. Hale, but I know nothing about it.

EDWARD COX. I am a hatter, and live in Long-lane, Southwark. I was in Mr. Hale's employ about twelve years; the prisoner was in his employ during that time - I had opportunities of seeing him write daily; we were fellow-apprentices together - as regards the former part of this letter, I have no hesitation in saying, it is the

prisoner's hand-writing; the latter part of it I think is disguised.

Cross-examined. Q. Pray how long have you left Mr. Hale? A. About four years; about two days after the letter was sent, I was passing Mr. Hale's, and called in, in a friendly sort of way - and he laid the letter before me - he did not ask me if it was the prisoner's hand-writing; he merely laid it before me and asked me whose hand-writing I thought it was; and without hesitating a moment I said, it was the hand-writing of the prisoner - I am not at all concerned with Mr. Hale, more than friendship - if the letter was shewn to me without any direction on it, I should say it was the hand-writing of the prisoner - it is not disguised so much as to deceive me; because when it was placed before me I could tell the hand-writing in a moment - I don't know that the word"have" is disguised - I take the writing as it stands before me - I have nothing to do with the words - I don't think the word "understand" is disguised - if the prisoner sent me a letter, in the same style as this, I should say it was his hand-writing, without any name to it - I have had a glass of wine, but no spirits - I have not now come out of a public-house - I have had no spirits and water - I don't see anything disguised about the word "character;" it is in a regular way - I should say the word "have" is quite consistent with his handwriting the same as the other - I should say the word"person" is in his general habit of writing - and suspect, I should say "Saturday" is not - I cannot say whether the word "fire" is like his hand-writing; it is a different hand to what I saw him write - I might have seen him write as large as that, but not to come under my observation, so much as the former part of the letter - it is not in a different style - but I am not in the habit of seeing write him large - it is a hand that never came under my observation - I have seen him write daily - the word"fired" would not have attracted my attention more than the rest; because he always wrote small when I saw him- I can point out no word, which, according to my idea, is inconsistent with his usual writing.

JOSHUA BURR . I am a tallow-chandler, and live at No. 13, Cloak-lane. I am in the employment of Mr. Hale; I have been so eight years; I was acquainted with the prisoner; I saw him in August, in Giltspur-street compter, and had some conversation with him - (he was not then in custody on this charge) - in course of which, to use his own words, he said, he would be the death of that Hale; those were his words; he said nothing more of that sort - I was talking with him an hour; in the course of the conversation he used that expression - I saw him on the 18th of November, about half-past nine o'clock in the evening, standing at the end of a passage, in Cannon-street, or very near it - the passage leads to the back of Mr. Hale's premises - I have been down that passage; it leads to the stables - there is a wall about five feet high, between the stables and the passage; he was standing not above half a rod from the passage, in Cannon-street - he was under my observation five minutes as near as I can recollect; he was dressed very differently to what I ever saw him before - he was wearing a cap - his dress differed in no other respect - I did not speak to him - he saw me and walked off very fast; he looked back and saw me two or three times, but did not come back - I followed him; he went up Cannon-street - I had heard about the letter which induced me to follow him - I had sufficient opportunities of seeing him to be able to speak to his person.

Cross-examined. Q. Where did you follow him to? A. About one hundred yards up Cannon-street - I followed him no farther - I get my bread by Mr. Hale - I am a journeyman to him and have been so for a year - that is since the duty has been taken off candles - it was about half-past nine o'clock in the evening when I saw the prisoner, he had on a cap which I never saw him in before - I saw him in Cannon-street; on the pavement very near the passage; at the bottom of the passage - I do not know how far from the wall - I did not measure it - I cannot judge - I was not called on before the Lord Mayor - he might have been fifty yards from the five-feet wall - there is a billiard-room close by - I did not see anything with him - he was standing on the public pavement -(letter read for which see the indictment).

EDWARD COX re-examined. I have seen the direction of this letter before - I do not know whose hand-writing it is - I do not think it is the same as couches with the letter.

WILLIAM HALE re-examined. I believe the word"Hale" in this direction, to be the prisoner's hand-writing- I do not think the letter C is his, but I think the "annon" is his - I can say nothing to the capital letter C - I can say nothing more to any other part of the direction.

Cross-examined. Q. Is it in his ordinary hand-writing or disguised? A. Disguised; "Hale" is rather disguised - it is all written about the same.

ROBERT FIELD re-examined. I can only identify one word on the direction; that is "Hale" - I believe that to be the prisoner's.

Cross-examined. Q. Do not you think the letters"annon" without the C. is his? A. I think "non" is like his - I think "Hale" is more plain - Hale is very little disfigured.

JURY. Was the prisoner employed in directing parcels in the shop? A. Yes' very often; he frequently wrote in characters as large as the word "fired" in the letter - the parcels he would direct, would not have Mr. Hale's name on them - I have frequently seen him write directions - Stevens the carman takes the parcels out in carts - he is the principal - he can read - he is not here - Gilbey has been in the habit of taking out parcels with the prisoner's directing on them, at times.

Prisoner's Defence. My lord and gentlemen of the jury, I have to address you now on one of the most cruel cases you will find on the records of this court. In March last, considering from Mr. Hale's increased family coming into the business, I should not be able to hold the situation I had held so many years; and having applications at the same time from a tradesman rather insolvent, within six minutes walk of the house, to join in partnership; I refused, knowing the gentleman's inability to attend to business. I asked him, what he should consider the business worth if he left? he said, he could not carry it on by himself, and would take me as a partner, knowing

my ability and talents. I did not much like to enter into a contract with him, but asked him, what he thought his business and shop worth, knowing at the same time he had lost his trade from indolence. He asked, what I thought too much. I staid a short time and consulted Mr. Hale, who I considered my father; I thought I could confide in him; I consulted him merely as to what he thought the business worth, not stating I had any idea of it; he gave me quite a candid answer. I consulted my friends, knowing I had a few pounds in the saving bank of which Mr. Hale's brother was a trustee. I applied to my wife's brother, who readily offered me part of his capital to assist in taking the business without security. I then immediately asked Mr. Hale for his most can did advice, stating I could obtain the house and business for such a sum, - and the trade had offered me credit to stock it. The house was in Upper Thames-street, near Kennet Wharf. Mr. Hale immediately turned round on me. In fact from that day, his conduct was very different, and in less than three months, I was charged with felony. Of course as he was against my taking the business, I dropped the concern; and even now I am respected through the trade. The day after I came from prison, I was on Change, and met the trade in a body, and one and all gave me their word I should have the first situation vacant. A few days afterwards I called on Mr. Beech, who said he thought of altering his system of business, and I could do him essential service; he did not know then I was out of a situation. I intimated the situation would suit me, and he felt surprised at my leaving Mr. Hale's. I told him I had left him charged with felony and could expect no character from Hale; I offered him £200. security, he accepted of £100. It was agreed I should serve him, and he said if I had been guilty of an error, no doubt I should retrieve my character. I said it was my own request that he should call on Mr. Hale. I said "You have my story and I should like you to hear his;" consequently he called on Mr. Hale, who told him, as I did, myself, every thing consistent with my character, but not one single item in my favour of course. Mr. Beech told him he determined to give me a fair trial, considering my talent was calculated to serve his business, and I was from that day to consider myself in his employ, though I did not go for a week afterwards, as he had to discharge a servant, who was taken into the employ of Mr. Barton, of Bishopsgate-street, on purpose to make room for me. Mr. Hale, the same day; or the day after, understanding Mr. Beech was determined to give me an opportunity of retrieving my character, returned to Mr. Beech and gave a more favourable aspect to the subject, stating I had been trustworthy; and he was always satisfied with me up to the time I was committed. I was then in full confidence with Beech, treated with the greatest respect, and was very fully engaged from six o'clock in the morning till ten or eleven o'clock on night, and one or two o'clock in the morning, on separate nights. Business increased, and I did the best I could to improve it; considering, that in gratitude to him, I ought to do it. I was so taken up with business, I frequently had my meals with Mr. Beech, not having time to go home, though I lived in the neighbourhood. Such is the situation I now hold in life, and through the Jury, I expect to be in the same situation on Monday. As to the charge, if Mr. Hale's house had been accidentally set on fire, (and I have known it on fire several times,) I might have been tried for arson and expired on the gallows. I call God to witness, I know nothing of the letter in question. I neither wrote nor caused it to be written. I neither sent nor know any thing of it being sent, till I was before the Lord Mayor. I was taken from behind the counter in custody: I did not know the charge; and the Lord Mayor immediately stopped the proceedings till my friends and solicitor were sent for; and though two days at the Mansion-house, I did not know the sentiments the letter expressed, till I read it in The Times since my committal to Newgate; Beech can prove what I have said is entirely true. On the 18th of November, I certainly was in Cannon-street. My business laid there. At half-past seven o'clock we were wanting a man to go for us to a particular customer. not being able to get a porter, I offered to go myself. I went to Red Lion-street. I then had to purchase an article; and went to Grays Inn-lane to the melting-house with the article; which is graves. The article was weighed; I paid for it; it weighed 1 cwt and 5lb. I put it on my shoulder and left it at the melting-house. I then returned home. I certainly did not hurry myself, having had a hard day's work. I passed through Cannon-street at ten minutes after nine o'clock. Mr. Hale's workman was at the door; a person was singing, and I stood there and gave a person a 1d., and Burr was then at the door; he followed me up the street a few steps; I went to my employers, and I think reached there at a quarter past nine o'clock. Mr. Hale speaks of my being with him on the 26th of October, respecting a balance due. I called on him to thank him for the service he had done me by calling on Beech a second time, and not troubling my friends for my security. I entered the counting-house; he had a friend there who is a respectable man, and I expected to see him here. Mr. Hale asked my business? I said, "I had called on him." He said,"You are a pretty sort of fellow." I said, "Perhaps I may be." He said, "You are very saucy, you have been to a fine place." I said, "what I have learnt I have paid very dearly for." He began talking about how much he had served me. I said, "I had come to thank him for it, and to say, that I did not think he had served me as much as he certainly had injured me first." The Excise was brought up. I said, "I have no animosity against you. I shall not impeach you, though I have been tampered with even by officers; I have been offered 50l. from their private purse to inform." It was my duty to keep account of the men's work, and what was paid them. He would frequently say, "John, I have paid so much wages, what do the Excise say?" I said,"There is so much that has not been weighed off by the Excise, and putting the two together, you will make a sum of so much;" which I did frequently; and he was not ignorant that I had an account of certain irregularities, but never with a view to give information. I worked for him nine or ten nights together. I never went to bed except on Saturday and Sunday nights. I went to another employer, who acted to me more than a parent. It wasmy duty to encourage his business, though it was in the same neighbourhood. I cannot help people giving me orders, indeed they do it to give me support. I hope you will consider me as innocent as any body in Court. I never had any animosity against Mr. Hale; he has brought witnesses who are dependant on him, and he is a powerful man who has spared no expense I believe; I cannot suppose he would turn this up to get me out of the country; but somewhere there must be an author. I certainly must leave my case in the hands of an Omnipotent Being who knows the secrets of all hearts, and trust in God to do me that justice my case requires. My Lord and Gentlemen of the Jury, one thing I have omitted to state respecting the present prosecution in the hands of the Excise. I did not give that up, till a few days previous; it was about a day or two previous to my arrest; but the Excise-officers, not only in our district, but in several districts in London, knowing me to be a managing man, (and Mr. Hale being a suspected man,) had it not been for our strict exertions, and that of Gilbey to protect him, he would long ago have been convicted in their court. I was afraid, sooner or later, I should be called on by the Excise; and of course I was compelled to give my papers up when the solicitor knew it, having had information from the officers, stating that Mr. Mayow was acquainted with my conduct. The papers were given up previous to my arrest for this concern; and before I knew he had received the letter.

THOMAS HILL . I am an officer employed by the excise. I know the premises of Mr. Hale - I have known the prisoner between two and three years - I have seen him write often; this letter don't seem to be any resemblance of his hand-writing - I know his hand-writing; I don't believe it to be his, from the appearance of it - the address don't seem to correspond at all with his mode of writing.

COURT. Q. How often have you seen him write? A. I cannot say; it is many times - it don't seem to bear any traces of his hand-writing at all - to the best of my belief, I don't believe it to be his.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Are you in the employ of the Excise now? A. Yes; I have been so twenty-one years last January - I am a principal officer, which is next to a supervisor - I never knew the prisoner till I surveyed at Mr. Hale's, which was in the early part of March, 1831- I think my duty called me to Mr. Hale's, two days out of three, from 1831 to 1832; I used to see the prisoner write notes of business; that is, notices given for his master to commence his operations; they were not always written by him - I have seen him write those notices several times; many times - I never saw him write but one hand - a small running hand; it was the writing of a good penman - he did not always write alike; I never saw much variation; he possibly might have a bad pen sometimes - it was always a small free running-hand; a moderate hand - the notices used to be written in a moderate, free, running hand; they were on small pieces of paper, probably as long as a pen; more than two or three lines - I saw this letter, for the first time, this morning, at the clerk's office; Mr. Hobler's clerk brought me here to see it - I was asked if I should be able to recognize his writing; I said, I thought I should, having seen him write several times - I persued it a short time; I thought it very necessary I should examine it, if I was to speak about it - there don't appear to me to be any trace of his writing; it don't appear to me to resemble his writing at all - no part of it.

Q. Look at the word "fired?" A. I never saw him write such a hand as that; I cannot call to my memory that I have seen him write as large as that word "fired" - I should call "fired" a round hand; I should call the rest a running hand; a moderate hand - it is not at all like the prisoner's hand-writing - I can form no judgment whether the person who wrote it disguised it; it don't appear to me to be disguised; I should say it was not a disguised hand.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. You are asked, whether it bears any trace of the prisoner's writing, were you obliged to read it through to see if it bore any trace or not, when it was shewn to you? A. Yes; when I went to see it this morning.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Were you in Court when the case was opened? A. Yes; I heard the order given for witnesses to go out of Court, and I retired immediately.

Q. On your oath, have you not been inside that door since? A. Mr. Hobler's clerk brought me round there about eight or nine o'clock, while the case was going on for the prosecution; I staid five minutes or thereabouts- I did not take notice whether any witness was under examination - I was merely brought in to look at the letter; I had seen it in the morning - I was called in to see it, I don't know why; I had given an opinion of it in the morning - I did not look to see whether any witness was being examined.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Are you interested at all; whether the prisoner is convicted or acquitted, does it signify to you a farthing? A. Not a farthing - I am deaf - Mr. Hobler sent for me to come and look at the letter in Court - I went out after seeing the letter.

COURT. Q. How long have the regulations, with regard to the Excise, respecting candles ceased? A. They ceased in January, 1832 - I had known the prisoner's hand-writing from the early part of March, 1831, to January, 1832 - I was in the habit of attending at Mr. Hale's during that interval, and seeing him write at times - I cannot charge my memory that I have seen him write since January, 1832 - I did not see him write anything but the notices I mentioned; there are five or six lines, and a few figures in the notices.

EDWARD BEECH. The prisoner was in my service. (I live at No. 37, Lime-street, and am a tallow chandler), He had been employed a few days previous to the 4th of November; but I had not then taken him as a regular servant - he was taken into custody, on Tuesday evening, the 19th of November - he was about a fortnight in my service, and had commenced a third week - I had sent him for graves; (looking at his book) it was on Monday, the 18th, I should think, because I see the entry - it was on the evening of Monday, the 18th, the evening before he was taken into custody; I told him to purchase the graves on the road, at a place - he went with a box of candles, which he took to Atkinson's, Red Lion-street, Holborn;

he would not have occasion to pass through Cannon-street in his way there; it was out of his way - I cannot say what time he returned home that night - I have had opportunities of seeing him write but little; I should say, this letter bears not the least resemblance to the writing I have in my possession - I do not, believe it to be his.

MR. BODKIN. Q. You never saw his writing till he came to you? A. No; he was with me about a fortnight; I have seen him write probably half-a-dozen times - my attention was not particularly called to his hand-writing during those half-dozen times; I am able to form a judgment of his writing from that - I believe from the writing I have seen of his, that the letter is not his handwriting; I have two notes of his in my pocket; I saw this letter this morning - I had the notes with me, but I did not compare them - I remembered having them in my possession; I took them from my desk yesterday - I had not seen them to the best of my knowledge, from the time I received them, till yesterday; I looked at them, knowing I was coming to look at this - I did not look at them again this morning, neither before I saw this nor after; they are in my pocket now; my opinion is not formed by comparing the writing and the two notes, it was governed by the writing in the letters, and what is in my book; it is formed in part by comparison of the writing and those letters, and of direction cards I have given him to write; I cannot form any opinion whether it is a disguised hand of the party who wrote it.

COURT. Q. Look at the direction? A. I should say the direction of the letter is totally unlike his writing; I can produce a person who writes a very similar hand - he is not in my employ.

MR. BODKIN. Q. When did you see that direction first. A. This morning; and it occurred to me that I knew a person who wrote very much like it; I did not inform Mr. Hale of that; I should say the letter part of the letter seems huddled together more than the first, but there is a similarity in the whole; I cannot say the word "fired," at all resembles the prisoners writing - it is quite different - it is larger than I have seen him write; I consider it a fine hand-writing; I don't call this letter a good hand-writing by any means; he writes a good legible hand - I consider a good hand-writing, a bold hand; his is a good hand-writing, not a small running hand.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. How long have you lived in Lime-street? A. Nearly five years; I have no object in this case at all.

THOMAS KING . I am a fishmonger, and live at Billingsgate; I have known the prisoner about fourteen years - I have seen him write numbers of times; I have no knowledge of the hand-writing of this letter - to the best of my belief, I should say it is not the prisoner's hand-writing.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Don't you think it quite different? A. I think it different to his writing generally; I cannot tell whether it is disguised, but I should say it is not his hand-writing - to the best of my belief it is not his handwriting; I should call it a free tradesman's hand-writing, not particularly good; I think it is all written by the same person - I think it in some instances differs a little, but probably is all written by the same person; the direction I think seems rather to differ, but still I consider it the same writing; I consider the prisoner writes a very excellent hand - very superior to this; not a fine bold hand - what I consider a running hand, a genteel hand; I have never seen him write so large as the word "fired;" I have seen accounts of his, and have read numbers of letters from him, and never saw him write such a hand as that - nothing so careless as this; I saw this letter this evening for the first time in this court - I was not here when the case was opened - I heard the witnesses ordered out of court, and went out; I came in again and saw the letter and went out immediately - I suppose I was in court two or three minutes; that was the time given me to examine the letter, and quite sufficient; it is a very different hand from the prisoner's; I persued it, and believe it is not the prisoner's hand-writing; I could read the letter in half a minute; I have been outside the door walking up and down - I did not hear any witness examined - I heard part of one; I came into court and was issued out again; they said I had no business here; I did not know I should be called on this business; I came here to day myself at my own desire - I did not expect to be examined - I came into court as a spectator; I was not here before the case was opened; I suppose the witnesses were being called when I came in, which was between eight and nine o'clock; I heard some of the witnesses examined; I have been in and out two or three times: I did not know at that time I should be examined - I have not known it half an hour; I did not leave when the witnesses were ordered out of court; a gentleman asked if I was to be examined; I said I did not know; they said,"Are you coming to character;" I said, "If he wants one I shall give him one;" and when I said that, I withdrew; I believe I did not tell you just now, that I went out on hearing the order.

Q. Did you not swear you went out of Court when the witnesses were ordered out? A. Yes; and that was the prisoner's father, who asked if I was to be examined as a witness, and then told me to go out, and I went out - I did not know I was to be examined as a witness; I did not make more than one attempt to come in; the officer did not stop me; I came in for a moment; they said if I was to be examined as a witness to withdraw, and I then went partly out - I was outside the door; I heard part of what was going on in Court, and some I did not hear - the letter was shewn to me when I first came in, and I was ordered out again: I went out.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. How long have you been at Billingsgate? A. Sixteen years, I lodge at 97, Thames-street; I have not any interest in the issue - I was not in court five minutes after I was ordered out.

FREDERICK EVANS . I live in Cornwall-road, Stamford-street. I am the prisoner's brother-in-law; I have known him about nine years - I am a barrister's clerk - I have had opportunities of seeing him write often during the nine years; I should say this letter is not his handwriting - I do not believe the address to be his writing.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Does it appear to you to resemble it? A. Not at all; it appears to me to be a different hand - I do not write a good hand myself - the address and the letter I should say are the same hand - I should

certainly say the "F," of the word "fired" is not his; the"ired" does not appear to be at all like his - I saw this letter first about three quarters of an hour ago; I came in here to see it - I came here to do him good if I could; I was not aware whether I should be called or not.

COURT. Q. Are you a barrister's clerk now? A. Yes, to Mr. Matthews, No. 1, Essex-court; I have lived there about six months.

CHARLES DIXON . I am a carpenter, and live at No. 5, West-street, Borough. I have known the prisoner about five years; I have had opportunities of seeing him write frequently - I have not the least knowledge of the writing in this letter; I do not believe it to be written by the prisoner, nor the address.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Can you write yourself? A. Yes, I can write better than that - I had letters on different concerns from him; I cannot say when I have last received a letter from him; I have received one within the last year when he was in the country - it was a letter of thanks - I think he was in Kent, at Brighton, or Maidstone at the time; I think it was at Margate; I thanked him for his kindness - the letter came by the post; I think I paid 8d. for it; I think it was in June or July in the present year - I know he was in Giltspur-street Compter; I cannot say whether that was in July - I cannot say when I received the letter from him; I cannot say how many I have received altogether from him; I will swear I have received more than two, I will not say three; they were only respecting our friendship; I knew him perfectly well - I have seen him write several times within the last four or five weeks; I saw him write last when he was at my house - I cannot say the exact time; he wrote different letters at my house- he wrote for himself; I cannot say what business he was writing on - I looked at the letters he wrote; I did not read any of them, of course they were about business- he was not particularly in the habit of writing letters at my house - I live at No. 5, West-street, Borough - it was just at the time he entered Mr. Beech's employ - he came over to my house to sleep sometimes, and wrote letters at my house - I cannot say how many times.

MR. CLARKSON to MR. HALE, Sen. Q. Do you happen to know that the prisoner was at Margate and Dover about July? A. No; he was in Giltspur-street Compter - he was in that neighbourhood about the beginning of June.

JOHN HARRIE . I am the prisoner's father. He is my only son - I have known his hand-writing from childhood, but have not been much in the habit of seeing him write lately; he has been a long while away from me - I have a letter of his - I have not seen him write for years.

- DAVIS. I am a single woman, and live with my father and mother, at Maze-pond, Borough. The prisoner is a married man - I have seen him write twice- my father is a porter in Queen-street, and my mother is a monthly nurse - I have received several letters from him but have destroyed them - it is about two months ago, that I saw him write; as far as I am able to judge this is a different hand-writing to his - I do not consider either the address or the letter at all like his.

MR. BODKIN. Q. After the witnesses were ordered out, did you come in, and sit in the corner? A. The clerk brought me and my mother in, to look at the letter, and we were ordered out - I do not think I was in Court three minutes - on my oath, I was not here a quarter of an hour - a gentleman held up the letter, and there was some altercation about our being in; the officer spoke to the clerk about bringing us in - I do not think we were two minutes looking at the letter, and went out again directly - I saw instantly it was not his hand-writing - I did not come inside afterwards, nor attempt to; I have been outside all the evening - the letters he wrote me were to invite me to parties; I have been to about four parties of that sort; I have four times received letters from him, to come to meet a few friends of his - the four letters were to the same purport - I did not go to all four parties; I went once to the christening of the child, about three years ago, and I had one letter about four months ago; that was to go with my cousin to see him when he was in the Compter before; that was the last - I cannot really say what was in the letter - it was to ask me to come and see him with my cousin, who is his wife.

MR. CLARKSON. I am satisfied Mr. Hale meant nothing improper in coming into Court, though it was my duty to sift the matter; I have every reason to believe him to be a gentleman of perfect honour and integrity.


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-85
VerdictGuilty; Guilty

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Fourth Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Sergeant Arabin.

88. THOMAS BEESON and JOHN COOPER were indicted for stealing, on the 19th of November , 1 pair of shoes, value 7s.; 1 handkerchief, value 2s., and 1 lb of sugar, value 6d., the goods of George Green , from his person .

GEORGE GREEN . I am groom to Captain Acott, of No. 1, Beaufort-terrace. On the 19th November, about nine o'clock in the evening; I came out to buy myself a pair of shoes, and a pound of sugar - I fell in with Beeson, whom I knew by sight, but not by name - he spoke to me first, and asked where I was going - I said, "I don't know I am going round this way home" - we walked on and talked, and I asked him to have a drop of half and half, which we did - when we came out, we met Cooper, who was a stranger to me, but he knew Beeson, and they talked together - I don't know what they said - I went to a grocer's shop to fetch my sugar and shoes which I had left there till I came back - I went with the prisoner to a public-house, and we had some gin which I paid for as I was going to leave them - I then crossed to get my sugar and shoes, and said to the prisoners good night, but they followed me to Maida-hill , where Cooper snatched the shoes from me, and Beeson took the sugar out of my pocket - they ran off, and I ran after them - I saw two policemen - I told them what had happened, and they followed the prisoners, who had gone into the Key public-house in Bell-street - about half a mile from where they

took my shoes - I was not drunk - I was a little elevated- I described the prisoners to the policemen.

Cross-examined by MR. ROWE. Q. Had you never seen Cooper till that night? A. No, I met him then accidentally in the street - I had been at the Phoenix public-house that evening - that was where I had the half and half with Beeson - I asked him to go there as he was out of place - we had a pint of half and half there, and I had a drop of gin which a butcher gave me, because he knew Beeson - we tossed for a pot of beer, but I did not toss for gin with the butcher - we then went to a public-house at the corner of Bell-street - I don't know the sign - it is not the Key - Cooper had not been in the first public-house with us, we met him in the street, and then we went into the second public-house, which I should think is half a mile from the Phoenix - we had one quartern of gin there - it is not true that we had three or four quarterns - I did not toss for gin there - I did not apply to the landlord for more gin, and he refuse me - I was not exactly tipsy - my master lives at Beaufort-terrace, near Pineapple-gate.

WILLIAM HORSFORD (police-sergeant D 6). I met with the prosecutor on the night in question - he was a little the worse for liquor, but perfectly sensible; and he recognised the prisoners the moment I put them before him - he had described them, but not to me - I saw the prisoners go into the Key public-house, in Bell-street, and from his description, I thought they were the persons - I went into the Edgware-road, and saw the prosecutor - I asked if he had been robbed; he said, "Yes;" I took him to the key - I saw Cooper there, but I could not see Beeson - I looked about, and found him concealed under a table - I desired him to come out three times, but he did not - I put my hand to take him, and he rolled out - I said"You are very drunk - you were not drunk three minutes ago" - I took him up and these shoes were between his legs- I then took Cooper, and took his hat off, and in it was a parcel of sugar, I suppose a pound - I was searching for the handkerchief, and the sugar was gone in a moment - I took the prisoners out, and when we got to the corner of James-street, Cooper got away - I gave Beeson to another officer, and went back and found Cooper in Little James-street, making great resistance - he struck me, got me down, and kicked me; the prosecutor came to my assistance - we were both very ill used - he was very violent - I got from him and sprung my rattle; another man came up and he was secured - he made great resistance indeed - I was laid up for five days.

Cross-examined. Q. Was not the prosecutor very drunk? A. He was the worse for liquor, but he could walk very well - I saw the sugar in Cooper's hat, but it was gone in a minute - it was screwed up, but I could see at one end that it was sugar - Cooper was coming out of the public-house as we went in - I said, "I want you," and he went back and sat down.

THOMAS HAINES (police-constable D 130). I was on duty and went with Sergeant Horsford to the Key - Cooper was coming out - the sergeant said, "I want you," and he went back; I took Cooper out, as soon as we got out, he said, "D-n your eyes don't collar me and I will walk;" he walked till we came to Little Queen-street, and then ran off; I overtook him, and he struck and kicked me in a dreadful manner.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you see the sugar in his hat? A. Yes, and an old handkerchief, but not the prosecutor's handkerchief; that has not been found - the sugar was snatched away, and a little was spilt on the table.

BEESON - GUILTY . Aged 19.

COOPER - GUILTY . Aged 25.

Transported for Fourteen Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-86

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89. JOSHUA TAYLOR was indicted for stealing, on the 14th of November , 18 pair of boots, value 3l. 12s.; 19 pair of shoes, value 2l. 7s.; 23 pieces of boot legs, value 2l. 6s.; 15 pair of shoe upper leathers, value 15s.; 6 lbs. weight of leather, value 1l.; 2 yards of linen, value 1s. 6d.; 2 bags, value 2s.; 1 pair of clogs, value 1s. 6d., and 6 yards of galloon, value 2s., the goods of Thomas Spencer , his master .

THOMAS SPENCER. I am a shoe manufacturer , and live in Church-street, Bethnal-green . The prisoner is a shoemaker by trade; he worked for me for six or eight weeks before he was taken - he cut out shoes and assisted in the shop - I had not missed this property till he was taken into custody - I then went to his house and found this property.

WILLIAM ROWLAND (police-constable H 170). I went to search the prisoner's house; I found the property which was identified by the prosecutor.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Was this bag opened at the station-house? A. It might be for a quarter of an hour - it was merely opened for the prosecutor to look at - I am not aware that it was opened when the prosecutor was not there - I was there several times when the prosecutor was not there; the bag was not opened in my presence, when the prosecutor was not there - I saw the prisoner's wife at the lodgings we went to - I have known the prisoner some time - I have seen him there - I went there with the prosecutor.

MR. PHILLIPS to THOMAS SPENCER . Q. Did you know it was his lodging? A. I knew it was his lodging, the day before; he told me he lived in New Nicholl-street; but the morning we took him, he said, he lodged in Cock-lane - but we went to the house he had before told me he lived at, in New Nicholl-street; he did not mention any number - I don't know how many houses there are there - we found a woman there.

COURT. Q. How long had the prisoner been in your employ? A. Six or eight weeks; I had seen his wife two or three times at my house; she acknowledged herself to be his wife, and we found her there.

WILLIAM ROWLAND re-examined. Q. Had you seen the prisoner go into that house? A. Yes; once.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you swear before the magistrate that you had seen him go into that house? A. No; I cannot tell when I had seen him go in - I think it was nearly three weeks ago - I will swear it is full three weeks; it was nearly one o'clock in the day - I don't know the number of the house - but I had known him and I reside very near that spot - there are two doors to the house, one is up a court; it was up the court I saw the prisoner go - I believe there is a house or two up the court.

GEORGE TEAKLE (police-constable H 121). I found this bag of shoes under the bed, the clogs under the table, and these other things in the room.

THOMAS SPENCER . These are my property - I can identify these shoes - I have a man here who made some of the shoes - Joseph Taylor, the prisoner's father, was in my employ, but he don't live where the prisoner did - I cannot swear that these shoes were not sold.

JURY. Q. Had you missed property? A. No; my stock is rather large - I could not miss a pair of shoes or two - I had found my business did not answer - I took stock and missed this property.

GEORGE REDFORD . I work for the prosecutor - I made this pair of shoes.

Cross-examined. Q. How long ago? A. Five or six weeks; I cannot say they had not been sold.

GUILTY . Aged 23. - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-87

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90. JOSEPH TAYLOR was indicted for stealing, on the 4th of November , 20 pairs of shoes, value 2l.; 50 pairs of upper-leathers, value 50s.; 3 pairs of boots, value 9s.; 10 yards of linen, value 7s.; 2 pairs of bootlegs, value 1s. 6d.; 1 pair of pattens, value 7d.; 20 yards of galloon, value 1s.; 12 laces, value 1s., and 5 lbs. of leather-cuttings, value 10s., the goods of Thomas Spencer , his master .

THOMAS SPENCER. I am a shoemaker . The prisoner was in my employ as a journeyman for eight or nine months - I paid him 1l. a week; he had access to the property which I state to be lost - I know he lived in Phoenix-street, Hackney-road; I had seen the house, and he said it was his - on the 14th of November, I went to search his house, with three officers; the officers found a number of pairs of shoes, with some raw materials which I believe to be mine, but I cannot swear to them - I had taken the prisoner into custody on the morning before.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. How long had the prisoner been in your service? A. I believe between eight and nine months - he has, by chance, had a pair or two of shoes made to measure - he told me had some kid skins, at a time when I wanted some, and I had a few of them of him; I paid him 3s. more for them than I was giving at the warehouse for them - I had some satin uppers of him - I have pawned my own things in my own name, but never in the name of Brown - when the prisoner was taken, he gave up his bunch of keys, and offered every facility for searching his place - he said, he lived at No. 13, Phoenix-street, and he has asked me to come there; if I had gone there, I might have seen anything that might have been there, but I had no suspicion.

WILLIAM ROWLAND (police-constable). I went to the prisoner's house, and found these six pair of small boots, between the bed and the bed-tick; this linen in the drawer; there were two duplicates which led to a pawnbrokers, where these five pairs were found; these upper leathers were in a box, which I had the key of.

GEORGE TEAKLE . I found a number of duplicates; there was one for the shoes which the pawnbroker produces.

SARAH BECKWITH . I have been in the habit of going to the prisoner's house for some weeks - and about five weeks ago I picked up two duplicates in the fire-place; I took them to Mr. Spencer; I have seen shoes there repeatedly concealed under the bed, when I have gone there to make it.

Cross-examined. Q. Did the prisoner's son visit them? A. I had seen him there once - I was sweeping up the place when I found the duplicates - I was not rummaging in the fire-place - I did not give them to the prisoner in the house because I thought the prosecutor was being robbed; I had seen the prisoner's daughter go to pawn shoes - I had had no quarrel with them - I was not regularly employed there; I went to do a little needle-work.

THOMAS SPENCER . I received the duplicates from this witness; I went for the shoes and can identify them as mine - I believe most of these materials are mine.

Cross-examined. Q. How do you know the shoes? A. Because I know the man who made them - I have no private mark on them but I know them as well as I know my children - I could pick them out of a thousand dozen - I have no mark on them - I will not swear they had not been sold in my shop.

GEORGE REDFORD . I made these shoes for the prosecutor.

Cross-examined. Q. How many pairs of this description have you made? A. I cannot tell; these might have been sold.

JOSEPH HEWITT . I am a pawnbroker and live in Hackney-road; I have three pair of shoes and one pair of boots, pawned in the name of Taylor; this parcel was pawned by a young woman, in the name of Ann Taylor .

Cross-examined. Q. Has Mr. Spencer ever pawned shoes at your house? A. Yes; some months ago in the name of Spencer.

Witness for Defence.

LYDIA SPENCER . I am a wife of the prosecutor. I know the prisoner has purchased some brown linings and he has had several pairs of shoes, for persons he has got an order from, and my husband allowed him the retail profit.

Goliah Gray , Thomas Poole , Charles Cooke , and Elizabeth Jackson , gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY . Aged 50 - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-88
VerdictNot Guilty

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91. GEORGE COUPE was indicted for feloniously assaulting William Scaffold , on the 30th of September, at Harefield , with intent, from his person, and against his will, violently and feloniously, to steal his monies .

2nd COUNT, with intent to rob him; against the statute,&c.

WILLIAM SCAFFOLD. I deal in cows, sheep and pigs ; I live at Ruislip; on the 30th of September, I was going from Uxbridge to Ruislip, about twelve o'clock at night - I had known the prisoner for years as living at Ickenham; he used to do a little gardening for Mr. Clark; and the prisoner knew me; I had met with him between ten and eleven o'clock that night in Uxbridge town, we spoke to one another, but did not go anywhere then; but we met together afterwards and went to the George public-house; he asked me to lend him a shilling; I lent him one and he spent it all in gin, I believe, but I did not drink with

him; my horse was then put into the shafts of my cart to go home, and the prisoner said, "Scaffold, shall I ride home with you" - I said "Coupe you may ride home and welcome;" we got up and away we went, and on going down the short hill off the common, I felt his hand in my left hand-breeches pocket; that was, I should think, a mile from Uxbridge; with that he says to me "Drive on, why do not you drive on faster?" I said, "You should not drive a blind mare too fast down hill" - he had taken his hand out of my breeches at that time and put it into my left waistcoat pocket; in a moment or two he tried to clasp hold of my legs and I whipt my legs under the seat of the cart; he caught hold of them, and chucked me right out of the cart on my head; and no more did I see Coupe after that; I had five half-crowns in this left hand waistcoat-pocket; I know I had them safe when I paid the ostler; I gave him 6d. and 3d.; no one had been with me but the prisoner, and my money was gone out of my pocket; I saw no more of him after he chucked me out on my head - there was a person went to the place the next morning to look for my money, and he could not find it - I got up as soon as I could and went to the Coach and Horses which is the nearest house; I could not make any body hear, and I got into the road again and got home as well as I could, with my blind mare; Mr. Clark the magistrate, and Mr. Edghill, came to me the next day; the patrole followed the prisoner and took him, but I cannot say when, as I was ill in bed, in consequence of my fall, and the cut on my head.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Now I warn you, I have twelve witnesses here; at what rate were you going with this blind mare before you were chucked out? A. Eight or nine miles an hour - I might tell the magistrate that the wheel went over my head.

Q. But did you tell him so? A. No, I could not tell him that, so as I was hurt; I might say that when the magistrate first came to me; I dare say I was sworn - I did not state to him that the wheel went over my head; I was not asked the question - I did not tell the magistrate at the first examination, that the wheel went over my head.

Q. Was what you said read over to you? A. Yes - I put no mark; I think I did not put any mark; I don't think they asked me; I shall not swear whether I did or no - I think I told the magsistrate I had five half-crowns and a shilling in my pocket; I could not tell them at the first examination; I was too ill; I was all but a dead man - I should think I was a mile and a quarter from home, when I was chucked out; I did not go to any public-house; I walked home, and led my mare home; I could not get into the cart; I got up as soon as I could, and cried "Wohey" to my mare; I was as sensible as I am now.

Q. Did you not say when you got home, that you had left 75l. in the hands of Mr. Wells? A. If I did say so, my pain was so great I did not know what I did say.

Q. Was your pain so great on the third examination, that you did not know what you said? A. Yes, at times; but the magistrate came up-stairs, and did not ask me whether I was well or unwell; I did not give them long answers, to the extent of two or three pages - it was on Uxbridge fair-day I was chucked out of my cart - I might he examined on the 18th of October, I cannot say - I might be examined on the 28th; I was examined three or four times.

Q. When you found the prisoner's hand in your left breeches-pocket, what did you say to him? A. I said,"Coupe, what are you at, ar'nt you a fool?" and then he clasped hold of my legs, and threw me out of the cart.

Q. Did you not tell the magistrate that you felt Coupe's hand all over your pockets, and in all your pockets? A. Yes; I had papers in all my pockets, and they were taken out; I did not tell the magistrate so on the first examination - he put his hand in my left breeches pocket, and then in my left waistcoat-pocket; he then crossed his hand and put it into my right breeches-pocket, and then in my right coat-pocket; probably he might put his hand into my other coat-pocket.

Q. What were you doing all this time? A. I did not study nor think he meant to rob me; I knew the young fellow well, and I thought he was only on his larks, but I lost my money.

Q. Did you not swear in the outset, that after he had put his hand in your breeches, and in your waistcoat-pockets, that he then chucked you out; what do you mean by now swearing that he put his hand in your other pockets? A. He had rifled all of them before - I told the magistrate the wheel went over my head - I told you the cart was going eight or nine miles an hour, and so it was; the wheel went gently over my head.

Q. How far was the cart and horse before you when you cried, "Wohey?" A. Why I was along with it; the mare stopped when I was chucked out, and I clambered hold of the cart, and that set the mare going; no doubt of that - I had been to more than one or two public-houses looking after my business - I know Richard Green of the King's-arms; I don't know that I was there at all that day; if I was there, I paid for what I drank - I was at the Falcon; I took money and paid money all the morning- I had some mild beer at the Falcon, that was all - I was at the George, I drank some beer there and had a good dinner and some wine - I was at the Sun; I drank a small glass of gin there, but no rum: I don't know what I paid, it was the regular charge - I went to Mr. Smith's beer-shop; I found a man there, and had a deal with him; I was not drunk all day; I had no fight with a man named Brill - I mentioned two or three words to him.

Q. Was not the prisoner requested to interfere, and take you away from the crowd? A. No; I remember going to the George-inn, and the landlady said, "Bill, I think you had better not have any more beer;" I did not make any answer - I don't know that I said before the magistrate, that I did not touch a drop of spirits during the whole of that day; the magistrate did not ask me - I did not dance with the prisoner or anybody that night; I might stand outside the dancers and see them dance - I don't remember standing in the middle and the prisoner dancing round me - Ann Langford might be at the dance, but I did not notice her; I cannot resolve how many people were at the dance, nor what time it was; it was not a great while before I went home - I did say that I left 75l. in the hand of Harry

Wells, but I did not know what I did say - I walked home more than a mile after I was chucked out; I missed my money the next morning - I have not been drinking this morning; I have only had a cup of coffee, some toast, some beef, and a glass of beer.

SAMUEL SKINNER . I put the prosecutor's horse into the cart that night, and brought it down to the door; he called me in and paid me; he was sober.

Q. Is this your mark to this deposition? A. Yes.(Read).

"I remember Mr. Scaffold left the George at twelve o'clock that night; he was not dead drunk, but was not sober."


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-89
VerdictNot Guilty

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92. THOMAS COPPIN , SAMUEL LANGHAM , CHARLES POTT , and ELIZA HOPKINS were indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the shop of William Hill , on the 16th of October , and stealing 28 umbrellas, value 8l.; 2lb. of cigars, value 30s.; 2lb of tobacco, value 7s.; 2lb of snuff, value 8s.; 1 book, value 3d.; 1 pair of scales, value 6s.; 6 weights, value 6s; 1 hatcover, value 2s., and 1 scent-bottle, value 2s., his goods .

WILLIAM HILL. I am a cabinet-maker . I have a shop at No. 88, Goswell-street, in the parish of St. John, Clerkenwell - I left it safe about ten o'clock at night, on the 15th of October; I do not sleep there - I have only a small shop and parlour, but no yard; I returned about half-past seven o'clock in the morning of the 16th, and found my shop-door had been opened, I believe with a key; I had double-locked the door, and left it secure - I lost all the property stated; I have found some umbrellas, some parasols, and some other articles.

EDWARD STURGESS . I live in the house where the prosecutor's shop is; I am a teacher of music; I was awoke by the ringing of the bell about three o'clock in the morning; I went down, and found the door open, and some officers there.

EDWARD CROGAN (police-constable G 183). I was going my round, past the prosecutor's shop, at two o'clock in the morning, and saw a hackney-coach start from the rank, and go down the City-road - I saw three men follow the coach from the same side as Mr. Hill's shop; they did not seem to have shining buttons on their cloths; I went round my beat, and found Mr. Hill's shop-door open, and gave the alarm - I had seen the prisoners Pott and Langham at one o'clock, in Red-lion-court or passage, which is four doors from the prosecutor's shop - I asked them what they wanted there; they said, something to drink, and they tapped at the door of the public-house; they then went out of the court, and I followed them; they went to the front-door of the public-house, in St. John's-street-road; they stood there, and I went down my beat, and they went down before me and endeavoured to conceal their faces; I told them it was of no use; (I think I had seen them before) they crossed, and went down Pentonville-road - Pott had a dark great coat on, and a shawl-handkerchief muffled round his neck; it was a white ground with dark spots on it - some time after that I met him again between Goswell-road and St. John-street-road, nearly opposite the Angel; he was there without the handkerchief, but he had the great coat on, open to the two lower buttons.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. What were you before you were an officer? A. A shoemaker; I left that about four years ago, and entered the police - I think I had seen Pott before, in or about the neighbourhood of Saffron-hill.

Q. Now, I warn you that I have several witnesses here to contradict you; when had you seen him? A. Within six months; I cannot tell what month; I did not pay that attention to take notice of it.

Q. Now, upon the oath you have taken, did you, when you were first before the magistrate, say one word about seeing Pott in Red-lion-passage? A. I did not think of it; I did not see them properly; I only saw one.

Q. Did you say a word about it? A. I knew they would be remanded, and that was my reason for not saying it - I did not hear it stated before the magistrate that Pott and his friends could prove he was in another place.

Q. Now, do you mean to confine yourself to the answer you have just given, that the reason why you did not state that you saw Pott in Red-lion-passage was, because you knew he would be remanded, or that you did not think of it? A. I did not recollect it; I did not say I did not know Pott; I said, I did not know his name.

The prisoner here went into a fit and was carried out of Court.

JOSEPH BLEADEN . I am a watchman. On the 16th of October, about two o'clock in the morning, I saw a man go into No. 8, Lower West-street, with a bundle, but from the distance I was, I could not describe the person or the bundle - I afterwards saw two persons go into the house, one in a light great coat, the other in a black or dark coat; Coppin lived in that house; I had seen all the prisoners before - Hopkins had been fighting an hour before.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Were you ever in Coppin's house? A. No; it is a lodging-house - I never was at Leeds in my life - I was not born in the country, and never was there but for a little pleasure; I was born in London, and have lived here for seventeen years.

GEORGE BUSH . I am a City-watchman. On the 16th of October, about half-past two o'clock in the morning, I was on duty and saw a yellow bodied coach stop at the corner of West-street, in Smithfield; I saw three men get out; one was a short man in a kind of a dark dress; I took it to be a black coat - another had a light drab great coat with pockets at the sides, which was very much like the one that Coppin had on at Hatton-garden; and I think the other had a kind of light fustian jacket on; they went down West-street, as far as the gates of the workhouse; and then the one in the dark dress ran back into Smithfield again after the hackney-coach, which had started and gone towards Smithfield-bars.

RUEBEN BEADLE . (police-constable, G 75). At a quarter before three o'clock that morning, I was coming down Saffron-hill, and saw a man going up West-street, till he came to Coppin's house, and went in; I went down

to the City-bounds, and returned and went up West-street; I saw Coppin at his door in his shirt sleeves; as I passed he drew his head in and said, "Whist, whist, there is a policeman coming;" I passed on till I came to the City-watchman, I stood talking with him a few minutes, and a man came out of Coppin's door in dark clothes; he went up Black-boy Alley; I informed my sergeant; he returned in about two hours with another sergeant; he said as there was no order to break the door open they could not do it; but they knocked at the door about five o'clock and no entrance was allowed; I went to No. 12, and asked to go over the houses; I found three umbrellas on the roof of No. 12 and No. 9; I afterwards got into Coppin's and found Coppin, Langham, and Hopkins there.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you mean to say there were no other persons in the house? A. There was a little child there; I know the house is a common brothel - I have spoken of it, but have not given notice to Colonel Rowan - I was examined before the magistrate - I never said there were other persons there.

Q. Did you never say there were three girls of the town there? A. I said I did not enter the room where the girls were - I went into the lower rooms and on the first floor; I did not go further at that time - my brother officer said there were three girls there; I went back to the house and went into some other rooms - I believe Hopkins is Coppin's daughter - I heard she had been fighting that night - there is a house shut up next to Coppin's.

WILLIAM SALTER BADCOCK . (police-sergeant, 20 G). I went to Coppin's about three o'clock in the morning; I then went to the station-house and heard there had been a robbery; I went back to Coppin's about four o'clock; I found the officers there and told them to pay particular attention to the house - we got admission through No. 7, to the back yard, and I remained there with the officers - I saw Coppin two or three times look out of the second floor window - and there was a man came and looked over the wall adjoining, but I do not know who he was - I returned to the station-house about eight o'clock and then I received information that the officers had just got in - I went to the house again and found a quantity of cigars strewed about in the cellar, and some bricks over them; and I found a quantity of cigars down two privies - I took Coppin but found nothing on him.

THOMAS HEAD . I was a police-constable at that time. I went to Coppin's house and knocked at the door, about five o'clock in the morning; I did not get admission - I looked through the key-hole and saw a man in his shirt run through the passage with a candle in his hand - I got admission through No. 7, and got to the back of the house - I saw a person look over the wall in the yard, who, I believe, was Pott; I saw Pott again in the custody of Beadle, about half-past ten, and I believed him to be the same man, I had seen look over the wall - I have known him ever since the beginning of May, and have scarcely been two nights on my beat without seeing him - he said he had come from Deptford on the night of the robbery at half-past ten o'clock; and he denied having been at Coppin's at all - nothing was found on him - when I entered Coppin's house I asked him why he did not admit me when I knocked at the door, but I did not stop to hear his answer - I went into the yard and found this skeleton key, this drop latch key, this dark lantern, and this memorandum book; in the front room I found this crow bar; and in attending on the nightmen, to empty the privy, I found this pick-lock, this piece of pewter, this halfpenny, and two sixpences - I did not find these umbrellas, but assisted Beadle to take care of them.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Will you swear that Pott was the man you saw in the yard? A. I believe him to be the man; I will swear positively he is the man - I have known him five months - I saw him as distinctly as I see you now - it was half-past seven o'clock in the morning of the 16th.

Q. Now I have four persons here to contradict you, will you swear it was him? A. Yes; I am a bricklayer by trade; I left the police on the 16th of this month - I left to suit myself - there was no complaint against me for neglect of duty.

Q. Upon your solemn oath, was there not a complaint against you? A. Not when I left; there had been complaints against me before, the same as other men - they were various; I believe there were five reports against me, but not for being drunk nor neglecting my duty; I was twice reported by the A division - one was for being in a public-house, when called to do my duty - the next was for standing talking to a fellow-policeman that was dismissed; the next report was when I was in the M division; I and the sergeant had a few words, but that was dismissed; I was again reported for being absent from duty, from nine till twelve o'clock - it was not for neglect of duty - I was fined 1s. for that; I believe there was not another report against me - I will swear there were not many more - there were not two more; whether there was one I don't know; I have had two reports this year; one in the beginning of the year; I cannot tell when the second was - I believe it was in July or August; it was in the summer - I did not hear Pott state where he had been; I saw him searched, and this pocket book and this knife were found on him, and a watch and a brooch.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Is this what you called a dark lantern? A. It is part of a dark lanthorn; there were four persons I believe lived in Coppin's house at that time; there were three women in the second-floor back room; there was no man there - there is no empty house adjoining Coppin's - there is a house next door to his which is not inhabited, but it belongs to a man who lives at the next house.

WILLIAM HILL . These umbrellas are mine, and were taken out of my shop; I lost between two and three pounds of cigars - I can't say how many in number - this memorandum-book, which was found in the back yard, has my writing in it, which I can swear to; I lost a hat cover, but I cannot swear this is it.

MR. LEE to EDWARD CROGAN . Q. Did you say before the magistrate, that one person had a white shawl on? A. I did not say it was white; I said, one had a dark great coat on - I was examined before the magistrate twice; I said, one person was tall the other short;

I don't recollect saying they resembled the prisoners; I will not swear I did not.

Langham's Defence. I left my work at seven o'clock, washed myself, and returned home. I tried to get some liquor, but could not, I went to bed, and when I awoke I was taken.

Pott's Defence. I have persons to prove I was in another place.

GEORGE ROBINSON . I attended before the magistrate at Hatton-garden, when Pott was there, and when the case was gone through, I told Mr. Rogers that I could produce evidence to prove and alibi, but he said, he should send him for trial, and he would not hear the alibi - I told him he had arranged with Mr. Wooler to hear them, but he said he would not.

JOHN LEWIS . I am a linen-draper, and live at No. 22, Lambeth-walk; I know the prisoner Pott; on the 15th of October, he came to my house at eleven o'clock in the forenoon; he slept at my house that night, with my lad in the warehouse - he went to bed at half-past twelve o'clock - he was not out of my sight till he went to bed, except for about five minutes at Greenwich, which was about three o'clock in the afternoon; he had gone to Greenwich with me and returned with me; I saw him in the morning of the 16th of October, about twenty minutes or half-past eight o'clock, and he left my house a quarter or twenty minutes past nine o'clock; I attended before the magistrate three different times to depose to this, at considerable inconvenience to myself; Mr. Rogers felt disposed to hear me, but Mr. Laing would not let him.

LEWIS SHARPE . I am in the service of Mr. Lewis; Pott slept with me on the night of the 15th of October; I went to bed about half-past ten o'clock - I am not sure at what time Pott came to bed, but I got up about five minutes past seven o'clock, and he was then in bed; I took him a glass of water about ten minutes before eight o'clock - he left my master's between nine and ten o'clock; I attended twice before the magistrates, but they refused to hear me.

MRS. LEWIS. I saw Pott at our house on the 15th of October, he left to go to Greenwich with my husband - he returned and staid all night, and left in the morning; I have known him eighteen months, he had a good character, he detected one of our young men in robbing us; we breakfasted between eight and nine o'clock.

JOSEPH LEWIS. I am the brother of John Lewis; I have heard what he has stated; it is true; Mr. Laing refused to hear us when we went there three times to give this evidence.


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93. JOHN WILLIAMS was indicted for stealing, on the 29th of October , 1 shirt, value 4s. ; the goods of Abraham Edmund Reynolds .

EDWARD NATHAN . I am servant to Mr. Abraham Edmund Reynolds, he is a pawnbroker , and lives at the corner of Globe-road, Mile-end . On the 29th of October this shirt was taken from the door; our foreman called out that he had got it, and I pursued the prisoner, who ran up Grove-road; he attempted to turn down Green-street, but was stopped by the policeman - this is the shirt.

WILLIAM HOMER (police-constable K 173) I saw the prisoner come running towards me; I stopped him, and took this shirt from out of his coat.

GUILTY . Aged 21. - Transported for Seven Years .

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Reference Numbert18331128-91
VerdictNot Guilty

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94. WILLIAM BLACKBOURNE was indicted for stealing, on the 17th of October , 1 horse bit, value 6d. , the goods of James Booker .

JAMES BOOKER . I lost this horse-bit from my stable in Claremont-mews - I had seen it safe a few days before - I know the prisoner; he had worked for me some time before.

JOHN HILL . I bought two bits of the prisoner on the 14th of October, for 6d.; I gave them to the prosecutor.

GEORGE FINDLAY (police-sergeant G 4). I took the prisoner on another charge.

JAMES BOOKER . One of these is mine - I know it by a mark on it.

Prisoner's Defence. The bits belonged to me, and no one else. Any horse is liable to make such a mark as that on a bit.


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Reference Numbert18331128-92
VerdictNot Guilty

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95. WILLIAM BLACKBOURNE was again indicted for stealing, on the 20th of October , 1 shovel, value 1s.; 2 saddle-cloths, value 2s.; and 1 brush, value 6d. , the goods of Thomas Smith .

GEORGE FINDLAY . I took the prisoner but found nothing on him.

THOMAS SMITH. I live in George's-mews, Bedfordrow ; I let horses to hire; I lost this saddle-cloth, shovel, and brush out of my stable; the prisoner worked there at times; I found this property at Mr. Booker's stables.

JAMES BOOKER . This shovel, saddle-cloth, and brush, were brought to me by the prisoner; I bought them - he said they were his own property.

THOMAS SMITH . I believe these things are mine, but I have no mark on them.


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Reference Numbert18331128-93
VerdictNot Guilty

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96. WILLIAM BLACKBOURNE was again indicted for stealing, on the 21st of October , 1 pair of reins, value 5s. , the goods of James Booker .

JAMES BOOKER . I lost a pair of reins, but I cannot swear to them.

GEORGE HILL . I work for the prosecutor; I lost these reins from his stable in October; I left the prisoner in that stable while I went to another stable - I did not miss the reins for a day or two, when Mr. Smith came and owned his cloths; these are my master's reins - I know them by a crack in the leather.

SAMUEL GOODWIN . I bought a pair of reins of the prisoner about the time Mr. Smith lost his cloths.

Prisoner's Defence. These reins and some other articles were left with me by Sir John Paulson 's groom, when he left to go to France. I sold these reins to these two persons.


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97. MARY ANN BLYTH was indicted for stealing, on the 8th of November , 1 sovereign; 14 shillings; and 1 sixpence, the monies of David Wartnaby , from his person .

DAVID WARTNABY. I am a journeyman carpenter , and live at No. 68, Well-street. I am married, and have three children; on the 8th of November, I was rather tipsy, I fell in with the prisoner - I went to some house with her; I had not made any bargain with her - I gave her 2s.; I cannot say how long I was in the house with her, but I was with her three quarters of an hour altogether; we had been in two public-houses; when I left her room, I went to a gin shop, and there I missed my money; when I went with her, I had about 2l. 15s., I lost one sovereign and the silver from my left-hand breeches-pocket - I did not take my breeches off.

HUGH BISHOP (police-constable C 72). I was coming down Chapel-street, on the evening stated. I saw the prosecutor and the prisoner; he called me, and gave charge of her for robbing him of a sovereign and some silver; he was the worse for liquor; he said he had given her 2s.; she said yes, but she had bought a quartern of rum, and had 1s. 6d. left, which was all she had in the world; I took her to the station-house - I heard something fall, I took the candle, and found it was a sovereign - I then found 14s. on her.

Prisoner. I did not say I had no money - I said none but my own. Witness. She said the 1s. 6d. was every farthing she had in the world, and I was welcome to search her.

Prisoner's Defence (written). I met by appointment a friend of mine. He was going into the country, and before we parted he gave me 1l. 14s. As I was going home I met my prosecutor at the bottom of Princes-street, where he accosted me, and being very tipsy, he took hold of me, saying, I should not go till I had had something to drink with him, which we had: he then asked me to take him as far as Oxford-street; being so tipsy, and my way home, I consented, and we went together. He then would not let me go till we went to a public-house, where he asked for some rum, but I persuaded him not to drink it; he however pulled out his money to pay for it, which he threw on the counter. He had a great deal of silver, and a half-sovereign. I did not see any of his money fall, though he said he had lost a sovereign; he then sent for a policeman and gave me in charge, being so tipsy he could not remember what he did. At the station-house he said, if I would have paid for the rum, he would not have not said any thing about it; I did pay for it, for he gave me 2s. for that purpose.

GUILTY . Aged 39. - Transported for Seven Years .

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Reference Numbert18331128-95

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98. MARY COSTELLO was indicted for stealing, on the 17th of November , 1 watch, value 3l.,; 1 seal, value 10s.; 1 watch-key, value 6d.; and 1 watch-chain, value 6d. the goods of Patrick Ryan , from his person .

PATRICK RYAN . I am a labourer . I fell in with the prisoner on the night of the 17th of November, in George-street, St. Giles's ; I did not know her before; we went to a public-house, and had some porter; she then took me to a private house, which I did not know; she took me up stairs, and I sat on a chair nearly ten minutes; she stood with her back to the door; she asked me the time; I pulled out my watch to look, and she snatched it; I turned my head and she was gone; I thought she had not left the house; I went out and called an officer; he found her in a room at the end of a passage, partly undressed; I asked her for my watch; she told me in very found language to look for it; I have never found it; I am sure she is the woman.

JOSEPH CLEMENTS . I am an officer. On the night of the 17th of November, the prosecutor came to me; I went to the house, and found the prisoner as he has described; in coming along the passage she said to another girl,"Take it down, it will be all right" it has not been found.

Prisoner. We had been drinking from seven till ten o'clock at night. He asked me to take him home, and I did. There were other persons in the room. I don't live up stairs, but in the room in the yard. I know his mother, she was deputy overseer to a lodging house.

PATRICK RYAN . I never saw her before.

Prisoner. I lived at No. 48, next to a barber's shop; in the next door to his mother for near eleven months.

GUILTY . Aged 22. - Transported for Seven Years .

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99. CATHERINE HAYES was indicted for stealing, on the 23rd of October , 5 plates, value 2s.; 2 cups and saucers, value 1s.; 2 dishes value 1s.; 1 wine glass, value 6d.; 1 milk-pot, value 6d.; 1 coffee-pot, value 6d.; 1 jug, value 6d.; 8 towels, value 3s.; 1 apron, value 6d.; and 1 pinafore, value 6d., the goods of Nathaniel Clifton , her master .

MISS EUGENE CLIFTON . I live with my father Nathaniel Clifton - he lives in Cross-street, Islington - the prisoner lived as char-woman with him about for six weeks; she did not sleep in the house, but came in the morning to wash and clean; these articles were found at the pawnbrokers, and I have no doubt are my father's; these plates are worth about 2s., and the cups and saucers about the same; the dishes about 1s., or 1s. 6d., and the towels about 6d., the prisoner was with us the whole of July, and August - I think I had seen these things at our house about June; I missed them about the 25th of October.

THOMAS PETERKIN (police-constable N 190). I live in Britannia-row, Islington, the prisoner lodged in my house. On the 24th of October, I took her into custody, and found on her fifty-four duplicates, which led to Mr. Goodburn, and Mr. Essex, where these articles were found.

THOMAS HARVEY . I live with Mr. Goodburn, a pawnbroker at Islington; I have two towels, one apron, one plate, and one dishe pawned by the prisoner on the 7th of September, and one dish, and one plate on the 2nd of October, they were pawned in the name of Hayes.

ALFRED HARRIS (police-constable N 100). I searched the prisoner's lodging, and found a cup and saucer, a milkpot, coffee-pot, the jug, and three plates.

Prisoner's Defence (written). I was living in the same house, taking care of some poor children that had lost their mother. John Canty , a policeman, the father of those children, asked me to come and take care of them. After I had been with them some time, John Canty, the father was taken up, from having two children sworn to him. He was in prison ten

weeks. I did all I could for him, and likewise the poor children. We were in great distress, as at times I could get nothing to do. After I was taken up they brought some trifling things against me, which I had, and I gave them away, but they were given to me.

GUILTY . Aged 34. - Confined Three Months .

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Reference Numbert18331128-97
SentenceNo Punishment > sentence respited

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100. WILLIAM CORDING was indicted for stealing, on the 12th of November, 1 handkerchief, value 2s. 6d. , the goods of William Cheek Bousfield .

WILLIAM CHEEK BOUSFIELD ESQ . I live in Chatham-place, Blackfriars. About eleven o'clock in the forenoon of the 12th of November, I was passing through White Rose-alley, Coleman-street ; I observed the prisoner behind me, and in the narrow part of the passage, where there was nobody but the prisoner and myself, he made a hasty retreat; I thought I had lost my handkerchief, and I followed him, and took him within four yards of me; I saw him throw my handkerchief into a door-way; I don't know whether I took it up or the street-keeper; it was all done in a moment.

JOHN ALLAN . I am street-keeper. I saw the prosecutor with the prisoner in one hand, and this handkerchief in the other - one of the inhabitants had taken the handkerchief up, and given it to the prosecutor; the prisoner denied it, and said, it was no such thing, he had not had it.

WILLIAM CHEEK BOUSFIELD ESQ. It was not possible for any other person to have taken it; I felt it go, and saw him throw it down.

CHARLES JARMAN . I am a tailor, and live in West Smithfield. I have known the prisoner for seven months - he and his father have worked for me; I would take him directly.

WILLIAM CHEEK BOUSFIELD . I know this witness to be such a respectable man, I can depend on his word.

GUILTY. Aged 16. - Recommended to Mercy by the Jury and Prosecutor. Judgment Respited .

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Reference Numbert18331128-98
VerdictNot Guilty

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101. EDWARD KEARNEY was indicted that he, on the 24th of July , feloniously did receive, harbour, maintain, &c. William Haydon , well knowing him to have committed a felony .

MR. WHALESBY conducted the prosecution.

The record of the conviction of William Haydon was put in and read.

JOHN DAVIES . I am a news-vender, and live in Broad-street, Bloomsbury. In June last I indicted William Haydon , who had been a servant of mine - I fetched him myself from Cork jail, and saw him tried here in the September sessions; he was transported for life - in the last month I went with Kelly to Spithead; we went on board the Fairley, which was going with convicts to New South Wales; I saw Haydon on board.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. When did you make the charge against Haydon? A. On the Wednesday after the cheque was paid and on the 29th of August I made the charge against him at Guildhall.

JAMES KELLY . I am a policeman, and was stationed at the Cove of Cork - on the 24th of July I was on board the ship Providence, which was about eight miles from the land off the Cove of Cork - I saw the prisoner and another person with him; they came on board the ship from a boat, between twelve and one o'clock in the day - the prisoner went by the name of John Smith , and the other person by the name of James Smith - I went with Mr. Davies to Spithead last month, and saw that person who went by the name of James Smith on board the ship Fairley, with a convict's dress on; I knew him to be the man whom I took on board the Providence on the 24th of July - as soon as he and this prisoner came on board the Providence; the prisoner said to the boatman, "You have no reason to complain, you are well paid, I have given you fourteen sovereigns" - I then said to the prisoner and his companion, "Why did you pay fourteen sovereigns for a boat, when you might have got on board for 6d.?" - the prisoner said, he could dispose of his own money as he thought fit - I had seen that ship leave the harbour about ten o'clock, and they came on board about two hours and a half afterwards - I saw their boat come from Cross Haven, which is a little to the right of the Cove of Cork; as you come out the vessel lay to the right of the Cove of Cork, and their boat came from the same side - I also asked the prisoner, why he had cut off his whiskers, and he said, he might dispose of his own person as he thought fit, and he might cut all the hair off his head if he liked - I said, he was there under very suspicious circumstances, and from the nature of his answers, I did not think right to permit him to go to America - I searched him, and found one hundred and thirty one sovereigns upon him, and four sovereigns were found in the other man's boot - I then took them on shore, and they were examined before Major Miller, the magistrate for four counties - the prisoner was examined; this is his deposition in the magistrate's own hand-writing, and the prisoner signed it - I took him for no crime, but only under suspicious circumstances; I was on board the ship looking for some murderers - after the prisoner had signed this deposition, the magistrate remanded him to make inquiries, and he was afterwards dismissed - I think in about a fortnight; I afterwards saw him on board the Julius Caesar, a barque bound for New York; this was on the 28th of September - I desired him to get out of his bed, which he was in, in his clothes, and I took him on a charge of forging a cheque for £300 in London, and told him that his comrade, who had given himself the name of James Smith had been already taken - I desired the prisoner to get up in the name of Edward Kearney , as when the other prisoner was apprehended, I got a warrant against Edward Kearney - I found on the prisoner, twenty-five sovereigns and some silver; I brought that money to London, and left it with Mr. Newman, the turnkey.

Cross-examined. Q. What are you? A. A police-constable - Cross Haven is a little bay in the sea; there are plenty of houses there; if a person had slept there, or gone there, he might take a boat to go after a ship; the ship was sailing when I went on board, but she laid too for me; she then kept sailing on, and laid too again

for their boat; if she had not, I do not suppose they would ever have overtaken her; they could not tell how far the boat would have to go before they overtook the ship - they might have stepped from the quay the night before for 6d. - when I took the prisoner before the magistrate, I stated that I had been on board to look for murderers; and it was afterwards that the prisoner made his statement - too many of our countrymen go to America, and it is usual when they go to sell all they have and take the money with them - I should think Major Miller made every inquiry respecting the prisoner's statement, but he was set at large in about a fortnight.

ELIZA GILMAN . I live in Cumberland-street, Shoreditch. The prisoner lodged in my house all last winter; I cannot say up to what time - I sometimes did not see him for weeks together; when he was in work he paid his rent very honestly, but he left me in debt; I cannot say how much; it might be 4l. or 5l. - I cannot tell when he left - I believe it was in the spring - I recollect Mr. Davies applying afterwards to me, and asking me about Kearney; that was in May or June, I believe, but I cannot say - I cannot say how long that was after the prisoner left me - I knew William Haydon , but I never knew him to visit the prisoner, and never saw them in company.

CLARK EDWARD TOMALIN . I am clerk to Messrs. Praed and Co., Fleet-street. On the 17th of June last, this cheque for £300 was presented there, I gave notes for it.

WILLIAM KEMPSTER . I am a clerk in the Bank of England. On the 17th of June I paid three-hundred sovereigns for these notes, which I hold in my hand, in the name of Edward Kearney , 27, New Cut, Lambeth.

MR. TOMALIN. These are the notes I paid for the cheque; I have a memorandum here which I took from the book.

Cross-examined. Q. Is the book here? A. No.


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Reference Numbert18331128-99
VerdictNot Guilty

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OLD COURT. Monday, December 2, 1833.

Second Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Justice Littledale.

102. JOHN MINTER HART, alias JOHN MORTON , was indicted for stealing, on the 2nd of August , 10 bills of Exchange for payment, and value £500 each , the property of Francis Dugdale Astley , Esq ., against the statute, &c.

2nd COUNT. Stating them to be 10 orders for payment, of and value £500 each.

3rd COUNT. Stating them to be 10 securities for payment, of and value £500 each.

4th COUNT. Calling them 10 pieces of paper, each being respectively stamped with a stamp of 6s. and value 6s., being the stamp directed by the statute in such case made and provided, on every bill of Exchange for payment, to the bearer, or to order on demand, or otherwise, not exceeding two months after date, or sixty days after sight, for any sum of money not exceeding £500 - and 10 other pieces of paper, with the words following written theron, that is to say, "Accepted Francis Dugdale Astley , payable at Messrs. Praed's and Co., 189, Fleet street, London," and being of the value of £5000 - and 10 other pieces of paper, of the value of 1s., the property of the said Francis Dugdale Astley , and each of the said stamps being then available and in full force and effect.

MESSRS. ADOLPHUS and CLARKSON conducted the prosecution.

STEPHEN PLIMPTON . I was clerk to the prisoner for nearly two years, and left him twelve or eighteen months ago; he carried on business in Broad-street - when I went into his service he was an attorney ; and before that we were both together in the office of Mr. Stable, an attorney, for about twelve months - this paper (looking at it) I believe to be in his hand-writing (See document No. 1)

WILLIAM BOND . I come here in custody. I know the prisoner - I saw him in the middle of June last, I think; in University-street, or near it - I knew him before - he asked how I did - I told him I was lodging in University-street , he said he should like to take a room for a counting-house, in the house where I was residing, which was No. 35; he gave me a call at the house in the course of a day or two afterwards, and it was agreed to - Mrs. Tucker was the landlady; she and my family resided together there - I do not think he saw Mrs. Tucker - he saw me - he was to give a guinea a week for the room - I was to put some furniture into the room, and he said he would give me a guinea a week for it if I would make it respectable - he was to have the front room, on the ground floor - at that time he lodged in Mornington Crescent, and he had an office in Gee-street, Hampstead-road - after agreeing for the room, he said letters might be addressed to the house, and I was to take them in till the room was ready for occupation; I said yes, letters might be addressed there - no name to which they were to be addressed was mentioned and I did not ask any name - I have considered and I cannot recollect whether any name was mentioned or not - no particular name - there was no name mentioned I am sure of that - I knew Mr. Hart and I suspected the letters would come in the name of Hart - I did not ask what name they would come in - I do not recollect that I did - a letter came there directed to Mr. Smith; I supposed it must be for Hart - I sent my lad down there to know if it was for him, and they took the letter - that is all I recollect about the name - that was the only letter that was addressed to the house - at least it was the only one which came to the house; I do not know about being addressed - that does not call to my recollection any other name being asked - supposing it might be for Hart, I sent it to him - I did not furnish the room as agreed to - Mr. Hart did not take possession of the room, nor yet occupy it at all - he called once at the house a day or two after the talk about furnishing the room - I think it was the next day - he was never more than once or twice in the house - it did not exceed the second time, including the time he treated with me - I know a man named Thomas Atcheson - I knew him at that time; he was clerk to Mr. Hart - he called two or three times at the house, I cannot say which - he called to ask if there were any more letters left.

Q. For who? A. For Hart; if there were any more

letters left in the name of Smith I suppose - when Hart called it was to ask if there was a letter - I know the postman but not by name - I have never seen Atcheson meet him - I saw Hart take a letter one day at the door, but not inside the door - it was about a week after the conversation about furnishing the room - it was within a fortnight - he took the letter at the door from the postman - I never saw but one letter taken by Hart, and the one sent to him - I knew his name was Hart.

Q. Can you tell how you came to take in a letter by the name of Smith? A. Neither myself nor Mrs. Tucker expected any letters, and I presumed it was for Hart, and sent it down to him - I did not take the letter in myself; I called after that at Hart's, in Mornington Crescent - it was after Hart had met the postman at the door - I found him there, and had some conversation with him respecting the letter I sent him; I thought it very improper if he wished letters addressed to the house to stop the postman in the street and take them; because the neighbour's noticed it - (I had not observed the neighbours notice it, but it was named to me by persons in the house) I really do not know the reply that was made - I did not think I should come before a tribunal about it, and did not take dates or anything - we had a conversation of a few minutes - I do not know what passed- it was of no moment at the time.

Q. What did Hart say when you said it was improper to stop the postman in the street? A He might laugh it off or something; it was tantamount to saying it was of no detriment to the house, or something; I really do not know what it was - he said, "Oh, that can make no difference," or something.

WILLIAM SHEATH . I belong to the office of the Morning Post? here is the copy of the Morning Post newspaper; here is an advertisement on the 22nd of July, comfortable to this written paper (No. 1) - I have seen this written paper before; it came to the office of the Morning Post - it was there before the advertisement appeared - I do not know by whom it was brought to the office - there is a memorandum on it, No. 1264; by that I can identify it, as the paper from which the advertisement was printed.

Cross-examined by MR. BODKIN. Q. Is it a mark of your own? A. No; of a clerk in the office.

Cross-examined by MR. PREDERGAST. Q. Will you be on your oath you saw that paper before this advertisement appeared? A. Yes I will; we have to log them through a regular daily journal - that is not here; I only speak of it through it being entered in the journal.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Having refreshed your memory by means in your possession, have you ascertained that is the paper from which the advertisement was inserted? A. Merely by the mark, which we must make on it before it goes up-stairs.

FRANCIS DUGDALE ASTLEY ESQ. I live at Basing Park, Hampshire. I am a married man - in July last, I had occasion for a sum of money - I have very affluent relations - there were reasons why I did not apply to those relations to assist me - at that time I saw an advertisement in the Morning Post, which attracted my attention,(looking at the paper) this is the advertisement - I wished to be accommodated with from one to £5000 - in consequence of seeing that advertisement, I addressed a letter to No. 35, University-street, Bedford-square, to Mr. T. Morton - after I sent the letter, I saw the prisoner at the bar, at the Swan Inn, at Alton, in Hampshire, which is eight miles from my house - I had some conversation with him - I did not accost him by any name - no name was mentioned - I think not - I asked him if he could accommodate me with from one to £5000. and at what interest - the newspaper was not there - I merely said I came to ask him if he could accommodate me with a sum of money - I rather think I began the conversation - he asked me who I was; I told him I was the son of Sir John Dugdale Astley , and that I had £60,000. in the funds, upon which I wished to raise the money; that £60,000. is vested in trust, so that it might form a security, but could not be taken out and sold - he told me he thought he could accommodate me with the £5000. - I asked him at what rate of interest he could lend it to me - the answer was that I should have it at six per cent, and that I might keep the money as long as I chose, provided I paid the interest half-yearly - he then produced ten blank stamps and asked me to accept them; he produced them from his own pocket; I do not know that he gave any reason why I was to accept them - he did not say what was to be done with them when accepted, that I recollect - I wrote on them first of all "payable at Messrs. Praed's and Co." and omitted to sign my name - nothing was written on the stamps except the words I wrote - I do not know what was to be done with them - I did not authorise him to do anything with them - I do not remember his assigning any reason for my writing on them - I had made an appointment with him to go over to the Inn, because I wanted to raise the money - in consequence of the advertisement, I wrote a letter addressed to Morton, University-street, and had a letter in answer to it - I have not got it - I have lost it - I have looked for it and have not found it - there was no allusion made to that letter in the conversation I had with him at the Swan, that I know of - the name of Morton was mentioned several times by the prisoner; he said he was sorry Mr. Morton could not attend himself; that he had sent him in consequence - I saw nobody but the prisoner about the business; I gave him the ten pieces of paper with"payable at Praed's" written on them, and he made them £500. each at his own suggestion - he asked me what sum the ten bills should be and said "I think we will make them £500. each" - he wrote on the papers in figures "£500" in ink - these are some of the papers which I gave him (looking at them.)

Q. Point to the place where he wrote anything on them at that time? A. I fancied he wrote on them: he certainly made the observation that they should be £500 each - I do not see anything here that he wrote at that time - I wrote on them "payable at Praed's and Co. No. 189, Fleet-street," - that was all I had written on them at that time - since then some stir has been made about this affair and some of the bills have been returned to me - I received a letter signed T. Morton, which first called my attention to the mistake I had made in omitting to sign my name to the acceptances - this is the letter I received.

GEORGE SHARP . I am an attorney, and live at No. 30, Upper North-place, Gray's-inn-road. I know the prisoner - I have one or two occasions had opportunities of seeing him write, and have received letters from him, and acted on them, and have seen his affidavits - I believe this letter, signed J. Morton, to be the handwriting of Mr. Hart - I believe these other three letters and this memorandum to be his hand-writing - they are all in a feigned hand, but I believe them to be his writing(See documents Nos. 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6).

FRANCIS DUGDALE ASTLEY re-examined. In consequence of receiving that letter, (No. 2.) I saw the prisoner- he mentioned that I had omitted to sign my name - he produced the ten pieces of paper which I had given him - it was several days after I had first given them to him- when he produced them, I signed them, and returned them to him; he did not say anything to me about what was to be done with them; he merely said, he would send the money in two or three days, by the mail - I signed my name to all them.

COURT. Q. I see on the bills above your name there is the word "accepted;" when was that written? A. That was written by me, at the time, I signed my name, I think.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. You wrote the word "accepted" at the time you wrote your name? A. I did; I did not receive a farthing of money - I think I wrote to University-street, on not receiving the money - I think this letter(looking at it,) was the first intimation, I received, respecting my bills. (No. 3.) In the meantime I had received these other three letters.

Q. In consequence of receiving the letter, signed Dimsdale, did you go to town? A. I did; I went to No. 35, University-street - I did not find any such person there as Morton, or anybody, answering to that name - I also inquired at No. 34; I was told at No. 35 there had been a person of the name of Morton residing there; that there had been a gang in the house - I saw a woman; I believe I had at that time received some other letters - I then went to my bankers, Messrs. Praed & Co. and by their advice I went to a solicitor to assist me in the business - no money has been demanded of me in payment of the bills- I did not see the prisoner, from the time I saw him at my own place, until very lately - the only inquiry I made was at University-street - I employed a person to search after him under the direction of my solicitor - five of the bills have been returned me - I did not pay a farthing for them - the others have not been returned, but I know where they are.

Cross-examined by MR. ALLEY. Q. I believe it was in July last year? A. July this year; at my interview with the prisoner, at the inn, I wrote across the paper, "payable at Praed's, & Co., 189, Fleet-street, London" - after that interview, it turned out that I had forgotten to put my name, and we had another interview, at which, I put my name, and the word accepted; there was nobody present but the prisoner - it did not occupy long - some little time after I put my name, I wrote to the prisoner requesting him to send me £500 - I afterwards had some communication with a gentleman, named Smith, about one of the £500 bills, to know whether or not he would have a reference to some body in town, about my validity- this letter is my hand-writing - it was written in consequence of Smith's having applied to me for a reference in town, as to the validity of one of the £500 bills - it is dated 11th August - the bills were signed 2nd August; I wrote on them on the 27th of July.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was the communication you had with Smith, by letter? A. Yes. (Letter read No. 7.)

MR. ALLEY. Q. Now, is that bill one of the ten you gave the prisoner? A. It is; I told him I had £60,000 in the bank, on which the bills might be secured, which would be responsible for them - I am sure I did not state that I had got £60,000 by my wife, and out of that those bills were to be paid - I had not funds sufficient at my bankers at the time the acceptances were given, to take them up, nor had I the means of providing it except in this way - my applying in this way to get money was only to pay other debts.

Q. I believe some time before that you had been making a settlement with your creditors? A. The only settlement I was about to make was with Smart; there were outstanding bills on which there was an understanding that there was a composition made, or to be made.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. Were those outstanding bills, bills for money or goods advanced by tradesmen, or quite of another description? A. They were gambling transactions; Smart had bills of mine quite independent of these ten bills, to the amount of £2500 - some of those bills were for £500.

Q. Then do you mean to say, when you wrote the letter, saying, if Smith presented a bill it was genuine, you referred to one of the ten bills, or one Smart held independently of you? A. I referred to one of the ten bills which was in the possession of Smith, who had written to me; I never saw it in his possession - I stated if Smart presented it, it was a genuine bill - I had no expectation of being called upon to honour the bills, at the end of two months - the prisoner told me, as long as I paid six per cent. for the forbearance, they might continue outstanding - the £500 I applied to the prisoner about was in part of the £5000 he had promised me.

THOMAS POPE PARNELL . In June, July, and August I was a General Post-office letter carrier for the district in which University-street, Bedford-square, is situated - in the course of those three months I had letters directed to No. 35, University-street; I met one person only once, to whom I delivered the letters; but I met another person frequently, in North-crescent, which is not a great distance from University-street - I do not remember ever meeting a person in University-street; the name of the person who came but once was Morton - a person named Atcheson came with the person who described himself as Morton.

COURT. Q. How do you know the person was Morton? A. He asked if I had letters directed to Morton; I delivered letters to him then, and many times afterwards to Atcheson - those letters were directed to Morton, University-street - I firmly believe the prisoner to be the person who described himself as Morton - I received the postage for the letters on delivery, in the street - I remem

ber on one occasion having a letter with the Alton postmark on it; I do not remember the date.

FRANCIS DUGDALE ASTLEY. Alton is the post-town of the place where I live.

THOMAS POPE PARNELL . I think I delivered that letter either to the prisoner or Atcheson; I cannot say which; I remember one day having as many as ten letters directed as I have described - on that occasion I delivered them to Atcheson; he paid the postage to the best of my knowledge - I understood from Atcheson that he was clerk to Mr. Morton - I remember receiving this memorandum - I cannot say when it was; it was in June, July, or August - Atcheson was the person who gave it me - after that I delivered letters addressed to University-street at a place called Gower-place - if I met Atcheson I gave them to him, and when I did not meet him, I took them to No. 4, Gower-place, agreeable to the order.

(Memorandum read, see No. 6.)

JOHN HORNER . In June, July, and August, I lodged with Mr. Bond, at No. 35, University-street; three applications were made to me for a person named Morton; no such person lodged in the house; I did not know such a person at all.

THOMAS LINDERGREEN . I am an officer. I apprehended Hart on Wednesday, the 30th of October, at the Union Coffee-house, Park-lane, Piccadilly; I was shewn up to a room where he was in bed: when I got into the room I said, "Good morning, Mr. Hart;" the prisoner, at the same time covering his face with the clothes, said,"My name is not Hart, sir; you are mistaken" - I told him I knew it was; he said, I really was mistaken; it was not - I said whether it was or not, he was the man I wanted; and I took him into custody - he said he was glad it was come to what it was, for he should know the end of it - I have known him a long while; I should think nearly two years - I took him to Bow-street, station-house, and from there to the police-office.

WILLIAM ADAMSON . I am inspector of the A division of police. I have been employed to look for the prisoner for about two months up to the 30th of October - when I saw him at Bow-street station-house; I went to the cell where he was confined; he said, "Ah, how do you do, your name is Adams?" I said, "No, my name is Adamson" -"Ah!" said he, "I recollect that is your name; Mrs. Hart told me you had been to my house to search for me" - he told me he was glad he was apprehended, for it would bring the thing to an issue - he said, "Adamson, you are a man of the world, you can perhaps tell me whether it is a case of felony, if Mr. Astley gave me the bills of acceptance" - I said, "Did Mr. Astley give them to you?" he said, "Yes, he did" - he said, "Do you consider that a felony?" I told him I was no lawyer, and could give him no advice on the subject.

FRANCIS GERMAIN LAVIE . I am clerk to Oliverson, Danby, and Lavie, Fredericks-place, who are solicitors. I have three bills of exchange; I don't know whose they are; I brought them from our office; I believe an action has been brought upon them.

MR. ASTLEY. These are three of the bills I gave.

These bills were for 500l. each, dated the 2nd of August, 1833, at two months date; one drawn by Thomas Wilson , the other two by Peter Clissold.

PETER CLISSOLD . I am the drawer and the indorser of these two bills; I did not write the body of the bills; I drew them merely to oblige somebody - I know nothing of Mr. Astley; I had no claim on him at all - this other bill (looking at one) is drawn and indorsed by me.

The following are the documents referred to in the evidence.

No. 1. Twenty thousand pounds. - Money to lend. - A gentleman retired from business has this sum unemployed, with the addition of a larger one in the funds, ready immediately to lend upon the promissory notes, bills of exchange, or other good personal security of gentlemen or persons of respectability, either in one or more sums, who require but temporary assistance, who may feel desirous to avoid the expense of effecting morgages on their property. Terms for short periods four and a half per cent. Particulars, stating amount required, time, and every other information are requested to be made in the first instance, by letter, post paid, to Mr. T. Morton, No. 35, University-street, Bedford-square, London, which will be received in strict confidence, and meet early attention if approved."

No. 2."Sir, - In consequence of some little irregularity in what took place between us when last here, it is requisite I should see you again, in order to rectify it, prior to a final settlement; as I considered it preferable to have a personal interview, rather than communicate my wishes by letter. I came here at some little inconvenieuce for this purpose. It is totally out of my power to comply with your request, of remaining until to-morrow, as I have to go into Kent. I will endeavour to come down again between this and Saturday next, but you shall hear from me first, your obedient servant, J. M." To F. D. Astley, esq.

No. 3, was also addressed by J. M. to Mr. Astley, without date, requesting that if either of the bills should be referred to him, he would state that they were his hand writing, and would be attended to; but not to enter into the particulars of the transacction, by attention to which, matters would be finally settled on the following Thursday.

No. 4."Sir, - My arrival here was delayed on my way to town, until this afternoon, and that is why you have not heard from me before. I am sorry that I shall not be able finally to complete your business, until the latter end of this week. I have to be at Southampton on Saturday next, and will meet you at the Swan at Alton, on that day, at 1 o'Clock. You say in the letter I found here, that it is your intention to be in London, either on Thursday or Friday next; but I suppose his was upon the supposition that you would not see me at Alton again. I shall be from home almost all the time, until I see you; as I leave early to-morrow, I may possibly be at Alton before Saturday, in which case I will send over to you, and should you be out, leave word where you are gone to, I am, Sir, your obedient servant, J. M.

To F. D. Astley, esq.

35, University Street, Bedford-square.

London, August 9th, 1833.

No. 5."Sir, - I find on inquiry at the coach office, that the two coaches which pass through Alton to-morrow morning,(Saturday) are both full; I am, therefore, obliged to go by Basingstoke to Southampton. I shall be on my return home about Wednesday next, and shall come by the way of Alton purposely to see you. On my arrival at the Swan I will despatch

a messenger to you, as you said you did not wish me to come to the house, I am, Sir, your obedient servant, J. M.

To F. D. Astley, esq,

No. 6. The postman is requested to leave all letters to Mr. Moreton, 35, University Street, at No. 4, Gower Place, Bedford-square, J. M.

To T. Smith, esq. 21, Austin-friars, 11th August.

No. 7. Sir, - If the bill you allude to, was presented by Mr. Smart, No. 12, Brydges Street, Covent Garden, I have no doubt it is quite correct; though a sight of it previous to its being discounted, would be satisfactory to me, as I am compelled to be very cautious in my pecuniary affairs.

F. D. Astley.

The evidence for the prosecution being closed, the Court decided there was nothing to support a charge of larceny.


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-100
VerdictsNot Guilty

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103. SAMUEL DAWES was indicted for stealing, on the 24th of July , at Paddington , 1 mare, value 21l. , the property of John Smith ; and JAMES GRIFFITHS was indicted for feloniously receiving, on the same day, and at the same parish, the mare aforesaid, so as aforesaid feloniously stolen, he well knowing the same to have been stolen , against the statute, &c.

MR. ADOLPHUS conducted the prosecution.

JOHN SMITH . I am a farmer , and live at Moseley, in Leicestershire . At six o'clock, on the morning of the 24th of July, I missed a mare which had been turned into the field the night before at five or six o'clock - the field is enclosed; we could see where she had been tied to a gate, and had broken it all to pieces in struggling, and broken the gate down, and after that she was taken away, and a horse at the same time - I have seen her since at Queen-square, about a month ago in the possession of Webster; it was the same mare as I lost I am certain - she was in good condition when she was taken away; when I saw her she was in a very bad condition.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. How far is Moseley from London? A. Eighty-nine miles.

THOMAS FURZEY (policeman). In July last I was on duty in Middlesex-mews, Lisson-grove; on a Thursday or Friday morning, the latter end of the month (I cannot say the date,) I saw the prisoner Dawes there; Griffiths is a stable keeper in the mews - it was about a quarter after three o'clock in the morning; Dawes was riding a bay horse or mare into the mews; he said to me,"What do you think of this little thing; I went away from here at twelve o'clock, and have been twenty-seven miles since?" the mare was a small size, the exact size and colour that Mr. Smith had described; she appeared to be very much distressed, and in great heat - he went and knocked at Griffiths' stable-door, the door was opened, and the mare put in, and he went in, and in about four or five minutes there was a black horse driven in in a green chaise-cart - I did not see Griffiths when the mare was put in; I noticed it, but did nothing - the black horse appeared in great distress and great heat; the hair was clotted with dirt.

Cross-examined. Q. Griffiths keeps a livery stable? A. Yes; I knew him before, for about three weeks or a month; I was in my police dress - Dawes could see I was an officer; I never saw him before.

WILLIAM HORSFORD (policeman). I was present at Middlesex-mews at the time Furzey was, and saw Dawes come in with the mare - I followed him into the Mews; the mare appeared very much distressed - I saw the black horse and chaise come in - I did not see Griffiths; I afterwards saw the mare again at Queen-square, in Webster's custody - I believe it to be the same mare as I saw at the Mews; it was just the same colour and size - I took particular notice of it, because I thought there was something wrong at the time.

JOHN BALLARD . I am a veterinary surgeon, and live at No. 3, Cross Keys-yard, Marylebone-lane; I saw a mare - I cannot say the hour, day, or month; it was a sort of bay mare - a middling size; Griffiths brought her to me and said, "Will you let one of your men put two hind shoes on;" he did not tell me anything about her; I asked him if the mare was for sale, and said I thought a friend of mine, Mr. Spooner, would be a purchaser, if it was for sale; I have no recollection of the month - I should not think it was so long as four or five months; it might probably be in the autumn; there was a brown horse brought to me by a man - not a black one; I ordered Mr. Griffiths to go to Mr. Spooner's to see him in the afternoon of the same day; the horse was brought to me in the morning; I saw that mare again at Queen-square.

JOHN SPOONER . I am a cheesemonger; I remember Ballard coming with Mr. Griffiths with a mare; I think it was the first Wednesday in August; Griffiths recommended me the mare; I said, if I approved of her I would buy her; if he would bring her to me next day, I would drive her a little way; I afterwards bargained for her, and gave 16l. 10s. for it; he would not have the money that night, but Mrs. Spooner paid him; he had £10 on account - he had bought a ham and things of me; he had money or money's worth; Webster afterwards applied to me, thinking there was something wrong, and I gave the same mare up to him.

Cross-examined. Q. Did the transaction appear to you to be open and fair? A. Certainly.

PHILIP WEBSTER . I am an officer of Marylebone Police-office. I took Griffiths into custody; I saw him at Queen-square, on Saturday, the 26th of October, an hour after I had found the mare in possession of Spooner; I said, "Griffiths, I have found a stolen mare in possession of Mr. Spooner, which he states to have bought of you - it is for you to account how you came in possession of it;" Griffiths said, "I did sell him a mare, and believe I gave a receipt for it to him;" I took him over to the office where Dawes was in custody; the mare was claimed by Mr. Smith; Ballard saw the same mare at Queen-square.

Dawes' Defence. I am innocent of the charge. I never saw the mare in my life till at Queen-square. I did not sell Griffiths such a mare.

FREDERICK PIZEY . I am a boot and shoe maker, and live at No. 4, Earl-street-east, Lisson-grove; I know Griffiths - I remember being sent for to his residence on the 21st of last July, to measure him for a pair of half-

boots; I went; I found Dawes there when I went - it was between ten and eleven o'clock on Sunday morning; there was some conversation about boots - I received an order to make a pair for Dawes; he was introduced to me by Griffiths as his friend; I saw Dawes on the following day, the 22nd; he called between seven and eight o'clock, on the evening of Monday - he took the shoes with him; I had repaired those shoes - I did not see him on the 23rd; I was not at home - I saw him between nine and ten o'clock in the morning of the 24th, as near as possible; he then paid for his shoes, and for what I had done before; I have a man named William Stanton ; I left him at home on the 23rd.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. How soon was your attention called to this? A. I always make a memorandum of every thing daily - I have that here; it runs from the 4th of June, the day I opened my shop; I did not know his name at the time I took the first order; the whole of it is in my hand-writing; I did not know his name at the time Griffiths introduced me to him - I know it on the Monday; the observation Dawes made was, "As you are a friend of Griffiths, I want a pair of half-boots, and will give you an order;" I only set down business transactions in my book; I feel confident it was early in the morning of the 24th of June, that I saw him; I had seen an account of this in the paper - I positively swear it was early in the morning, and between nine and ten o'clock - I have no particular reason for it.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Have you a recollection that it was the morning? A. I have; it was very shortly after breakfast.

COURT. Q. He called on Monday, between seven and eight o'clock; do you mean in the evening? A. Yes.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. Did he appear heated? A. Not in the least.

WILLIAM STANTON . In July last, I was in the service of Mr. Pizey; I remember Dawes coming there on the 22nd of July, in the evening; he came for a pair of shoes which had been half-soled and healed; that was on Monday; my master went out next day (the 23rd), and I had an order to make him a pair of half-boots; on the 23rd of July in the evening he came after his boots, and they were not quite finished; he said he was not particular for them that evening, and would call early in the morning for them; he called on the 24th of July, about ten o'clock, and had them.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. Pray, what is Dawes? A. I don't know, further than his coming into my master's shop, backwards and forwards for shoes; I don't know where he lives - I never saw him before the Monday, to my recollection; he had shoes on when he came for the boots - I believe it was about ten o'clock in the morning; he said nothing about having been a long journey; I did not take notice of what he had on - I believe he had shoes on.

THOMAS FURZEY re-examined. When I saw him in the mare, he had on boots and a sort of dark coat.


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Reference Numbert18331128-101
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111. ANN WILSON was indicted for stealing, on the 23rd of November , 1 sovereign, and 3s., the money of William McCole , from his person

WILLIAM McCOLE . I live in Fox's-lane, Shadwell. On the 23rd of November, I received my wages, and went to a public-house with a friend; my wages were tied up in a bit of rag; there was half a sovereign, and three half-crowns, and I put them in my left-hand trowsers pocket; we drank there, and I went to pay for it, the prisoner came in; she knew my acquaintance, and we went and had some beer in her house; my friend then went to the door, and the light was blown out, and five or six women came in and began to beat me; my pocket was torn out and the money fell on the floor; they picked up the three half-crowns, but the officer got the half-sovereign - I caught hold of the prisoner, and kept her, and sung out, "murder;" the policeman came in; I went up stairs with the prisoner but nothing passed between us; I gave her 6d.; the officer asked me who I accused; I said, "This woman, and the old woman of the house."

Prisoner. He asked me the expence of the house; I told him the price and 6d. for the servant; he then took me up stairs, and I put out the candle, and his expressions were dreadful. Witness. I gave her 6d.; she asked for no more.

JURY. Q. Did she make any demand for money which you refused to give her? A. No; she took the light in her hand up-stairs, and blew it out directly the door was shut; we were sitting on the bed-side together; she seized my pocket, and called for the old woman, and five or six came in.

WILLIAM WHEELER (police-constable K 160). I was called about two o'clock in the morning, by a female who appeared to come from the house; I went up-stairs with three females; I found the prisoner, the woman who keeps the brothel, and the prosecutor there; he said, he had been robbed of a half-sovereign, and three half-crowns; I asked him to pick out the person; he picked out the prisoner and the landlady; I searched the prisoner and found on her two sixpences and some half-pence; I then heard something chink on the floor, the prisoner stooped, picked it up and put it into her mouth; I seized her mouth, opened it, and she dropped this half-sovereign on the floor, which my brother officer took up; there was blood on the prisoner, and the prosecutor; the prisoner had a tremendous blow over her eye, and the prosecutor had a blow on his face, and his trowsers were torn.

Prisoner. If I had not sent for the officer, he would have killed me; he gave me this cut over my eye. Witness. The woman who came to me appeared to come from the house.

WILLIAM CLAYTON . I am an officer. I saw the prisoner take the candle and look for the half-sovereign, and put it into her mouth; my brother officer seized her, she dropped it and I took it up.

Prisoner. I turned everything off the bedstead, and found the half-sovereign. I thought it might belong to my friend.


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-108
VerdictsGuilty > with recommendation; Guilty; Guilty
SentencesNo Punishment; Transportation

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112. ANN LUGG the younger, was indicted for stealing, on the 2nd of November , 1 silver spoon, value 14s.; and three handkerchiefs, value 7s. the goods of Robert McLellan , in his dwelling-house ; and ANN LUGG the elder, for receiving the same, well knowing them to have been stolen .

ELIZABETH McLELLAN . I am the wife of Robert McLellan , of Great Russell-street . The younger prisoner came into my employ about the latter end of June, or the beginning of July, as servant of all work ; she left on the 2nd or 3rd of November, and that night we missed a silver-spoon worth 25s., or 26s.; this is it; I missed a handkerchief while she was with me; I cannot swear that this is the handkerchief, as it is not marked.

Ann Lugg , Jun. My mistress said, that her son had robbed her, of her spoon; he was frequently there, getting tipsy with the servants. Witness. My son was never in that house where the spoon was lost from; I live at No. 106, and he lived there, but the spoon was lost from the other house No. 104, where the prisoner lived; it is let out in apartments; my son is about seventeen; I never said he took it; he had not been in that house for a fortnight or three weeks.

COURT. Q. Had there been any intimacy between your son and this girl? A. No; he never spoke to her.

MARY WARREN . I am servant at No. 104. This is Mr. Mc Lellan's spoon; he has five more marked the same as this; they were in my care; on the Wednesday before the prisoner left I locked up the six spoons in a drawer; she left on Saturday the 2nd of November; she said, she should leave; Mrs. Mc Lellan's son used to come there, but he had not been for a fortnight or three weeks before she left; he was offended about something; I don't know what; he used to speak to

me before that, but he never said anything to her; I don't know whether he had any quarrel with her; I don't think he had; the drawer the spoons were in, was in the front kitchen; I had put down the keys, and the prisoner might have gone to them; she had been with me in that house about three weeks.

Ann Lugg, Jun. The reason I left was because she beat me, and so did the man who slept in the kitchen. Witness. I never touched her.

Ann Lugg. Sen. When I took the child back, this witness would not let her in, but I insisted that she should go in, and stay till Mrs. Mc Lellan came home, which she did; her mistress said her clothes were right in her box, and then told the witness to look if the spoons were right, and she said they were.

Witness. Yes, she told me to look for the spoons we had in use, which were right; I did not look in the locked drawer till afterwards.

GEORGE ROE . I am a pawnbroker in Charlotte-street, Fitzroy-square. This spoon was pawned to the best of my recollection, by the elder prisoner; I certainly think it was her, but it was on Saturday night, the 2nd of November, and we were rather busy; it was pawned for 12s., in the name of "Mason, 4, Tottenham-street" - I have a slight recollection of her face, but cannot tell her dress.

Ann Lugg, Sen. I never was in the shop till the Tuesday following, when I went to pawn a gown of my own.

HENRY HALL . I am a pawnbroker, and live in Hampstead-road. I have a handkerchief pawned by the elder prisoner on the 7th of September, in the name of Mason, for 6d.

Ann Lugg, Sen. It is my own, and was pawned in my own name. Witness. No, she pawned it in the name of Mason, which was the name she generally pawned in; I had known her before.

THOMAS MOORE (police-sergeant E 16). I took the prisoners; I found the duplicates of two handkerchiefs on the elder prisoner, both in the name of Mason; I found none of the spoons.

Ann Lugg , Jun. Defence (written). I left my situation through the cook's beating me, and turning me out of the house; I went home to my mother, who returned with me, and insisted on my staying until my mistress came home, when it was agreed I should leave as soon as my week was expired, which I did. My mother came for me on Saturday evening, November the 2nd. The cook and my mistress were both in the kitchen. I fetched my box, and my mother emptied it before them, and they said there was nothing there belonging to them. My mistress asked the cook if the spoons were all right, she said they were. My mistress paid me, and I went home. On the following Tuesday, November the 5th, a policeman came and said Mrs. Mc Lellan wished to speak with me. I went with him immediately; when she charged me with stealing a table-spoon, which I knew nothing about. I was then taken to Hatton-garden, and remanded until Friday, the 8th instant, when I was re-examined and discharged. The next night the policeman came to my mother's lodgings and asked her to let him see her duplicates, which he had seen before, when he kept two of them. They were two pocket handkerchiefs which Mrs. Mc Lellan said I had stolen, and my mother received, which I deny. One of them I pledged in the afternoon of the day that I went to Mrs. Mc Lellan's, after ten o'clock at night, on Saturday, July the 20th; nor did I see my mother for a week afterwards. After I had been at Mrs. McLellan's some little time, my mistress sent me on several occasions both to pledge and to redeem pledges for her. The servant who turned me out of doors sometimes gets tipsey, and there is a man also sleeps in the kitchen where the spoons were kept. My mother never came to see me except when my mistress was made acquainted with it.

MRS. McLELLAN. I once sent her to pawn a pair of spoons in October; I lost a great many things while she was in the house.

ANN LUGG , the younger, GUILTY. - Aged 15.

Recommended to mercy , and delivered to her uncle .

ANN LUGG , the elder, GUILTY . - Aged 43.

113. ANN LUGG , the elder, was again indicted for stealing, on the 11th of November , 1 drinking glass, value 1s., and 1 decanter, value 6d. , the goods of Thomas Holder .

THOMAS HOLDER . The prisoner lodged in my house; in the lower part I lost a pair of brass candlesticks, a decanter, and a drinking glass; I know them perfectly well - I have had them these twenty years - we missed several other things when the officer came on the 11th of November - she had no one there but herself; her children were out.

EDWARD YOUNG . I produce the articles; this decanter was pawned by the prisoner for 9d., in the name of Devine; the glass was pawned for 6d., but I cannot say by whom.

Prisoner's Defence. I had not left my lodging. I did it to take my little girl some things. My brother offered to get them out again for him.

GUILTY . - Aged 43. - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-109

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114. MARY ROWEN was indicted for stealing, on the 4th of November , 1 shawl, value 1l.; 3 necklaces, value 13s.; 2 bonnets, value 5s.; 3 yards of ribbon, value 1s. 6d., and 1 handkerchief, value 6d. , the goods of Elizabeth Davies .

ELIZABETH DAVIES . I am a widow ; I keep a milliner's shop at Brunswick-parade, Islington . The prisoner was my servant for one week; on the 4th of November I came down at seven o'clock in the morning, and she had absconded - these articles are my property; I had seen them safe the night before.

GEORGE CLARKSON . I am servant to Mr. Drew, a pawnbroker in Islington. The prisoner offered this necklace to me, and wanted 3s. for it; I had received information and stopped her with it.

WILLIAM HOLT (police-sergeant N 17). I took the prisoner; I found this bonnet on her head, this shawl round her neck, the necklace on her neck, and the other things in her pocket.

GUILTY . Aged 18. - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-110

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115. BENJAMIN HILL was indicted for stealing, on the 11th of November , 1 handkerchief, value 3s., the goods of John Courtenary , from his person .

JOHN COURTENAY . I am a surgeon , and live in Finsbury-terrace. On the 11th of November, about

ten o'clock, I was walking up Chiswell-street towards Finsbury-square ; I thought something went from my pocket; I missed my handkerchief, turned and seized the prisoner, and accused him of stealing it - I took his hat off, but it was not there; a woman begged me to let him go, and pointed to my handkerchief, which was about two feet from where I took him; I called the officer and gave him in charge; this is the handkerchief - there was a woman in front of me, but no one behind me; it was not possible it could have dropped from me.

Cross-examined by MR. ROWE. Q. Was this about ten o'clock at night? A. A few minutes after ten o'clock; there were plenty of persons about before and behind me when I missed my handkerchief; the woman was not behind me, she was in front of me; when I turned there was no one but the prisoner behind me for several yards - I either said I felt something go from my pocket, or that I felt my pocket lighter, I cannot tell which; I did not feel my pocket touched - the prisoner made no resistance; I found a handkerchief in his hat, but not mine - the magistrate said I should have secured the woman, but she could not have taken the handkerchief.

GUILTY . Aged 19. - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-111

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116. RICHARD VINE was indicted for stealing, on the 25th of November , 1 cheese, value 20s. , the goods of Robert Cordwent .

ROBERT CORDWENT . I am a cheesemonger , and live in Coventry-street . On Monday evening last, I received information and looked into the shop from my parlour, I saw a person in the act of stooping, with a cap on, and going out; I ran out and missed a cheese - I directed my young men to go different ways, and I went out also; when I came back I found the prisoner in custody, and this cheese; but whether he is the person I saw going out, I cannot tell, his cap resembled that.

Cross-examined by MR. LEE. Q. Was it not rather dark? A. The gas was lighted; I was at some distance from the person, he had a cloth cap on, not a glazed cap; the cheese was taken from the pile at the door.

JOHN TIRE . I am shopman to the prosecutor; I went down Oxenden-street - I saw two young men cross, and the prisoner who was one of them, had a cheese under his arm; they were both walking; I followed them to near the bottom of Oxenden-street, when our other young man came and met them - I ran and took the prisoner back with the cheese; this is the cheese that was under the prisoner's arm - I can swear to it by a mark on it - I was not absent from the shop, and know it was not sold.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you mean that during that evening you were not absent at all? A. No; I had seen this cheese ten minutes before it was stolen; the prisoner said at Marlborough-street, that he had been engaged by the other man to carry it, but he did not say so before; he said in the street, that he did not take it; and then he said he did it for hunger.

The prisoner put in a written defence, stating that a man had given him the cheese to carry.

JAMES LILLY . I am a tailor, and live in Arabella-row, Pimlico; the prisoner is my apprentice; I had sent him out that evening to get some buttons; he had behaved particularly honest, and I will take him again.

GUILTY . Aged 16. - Confined Four Days .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-112
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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117. WILLIAM MAYNE was indicted for stealing, on the 17th of October , 1 watch, value 1l. 10s.; 1 piece of ribbon, value 6d.; 1 seal, value 5s.; 1 ring, value 2s.; and 1 watch key, value 3d. , the goods of Samuel Hart .

SAMUEL HART . I live in Princes-court, Drury-lane ; the prisoner lodged in the same room; on the morning of the 17th of October, he was missing, and I missed this watch from the bed side; on the 19th, there was a parcel left for me containing the duplicate.

JOHN EDWARD NEEDER . I am in the service of a pawnbroker in Greek-street; I took in this watch, I believe from the prisoner, in the name of George Douglass, for 1l. 6s.

JOSEPH PARROTT (police-constable E 78). I took the prisoner - I found nothing on him.

Prisoner. I was in the greatest distress, which caused me to take it.

GUILTY. Aged 21. - Recommended to Mercy .

Confined Three Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-113

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118. ELIZABETH NIEPWORT was indicted for stealing, on the 14th of November , 33 yards of lace, value 16s. , the goods of Thomas Whittingham .

FANNY WHITTINGHAM . I am the wife of Thomas Whittingham ; he keeps a lace shop in Oxford-street ; the prisoner came there on the 14th of November, and asked to look at some edging at about 1s. a-yard; she looked at several cards, and said she did not see any that suited her; she then asked for some spotted, and I showed her some at about 1s. 2d. a yard; she sat with her left elbow on the counter, and put her shawl on the counter with her right hand, and tried to take a card of lace; I saw it move, and drew them further back on the counter; I showed her two or three others, but still kept my eye on her hand - I then saw her take a card of lace, and put it under her left arm; I called Mr. Child, to ask him if he thought he had any lace that would suit her; he asked what sort she wanted; she told him, and he said she had better bring her pattern; she said she would, and went out; I told him she had got a card of lace; he went and brought her back with it.

AVERY CHILD . I went out and overtook her just passing the next door; I told her we had found a card of lace nearer to her pattern, if she would step back - she came back; I said she had stolen a card - I lifted her shawl, and found this under her left arm.

GUILTY . Aged 18. - Confined Three Months .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-114
VerdictNot Guilty

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119. JAMES CAMPLEY was indicted for stealing, on the 25th of October , 39 bricks, value 1s. , the goods of Hans Busk .

SARAH AUSTIN . On the 24th of October, I saw a man go down the lane at Edmonton , with a hod of bricks on his shoulder; on the following morning I went to the kilns, and missed thirty-nine bricks, which had been packed up separately on the 24th of October; my husband works for the prosecutors, but as my husband was in

London, I went down to look after the bricks, on the 24th, and saw the thirty-nine packed up, which appeared to be ready to take away, and on the morning of the 25th they were gone; they were all marked with a B; this is one of them which was found when we went with a search warrant to search the place where the prisoner was at work; we found four there - I cannot swear that this is one of the thirty-nine.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Where did you see these packed? A. At Mr. Busk's kiln, near the road side, Edmonton; all the bricks in the kiln were marked B; the prisoner was doing some work for Mr. Dickenson.

HANS BUSK, ESQ . I lost some bricks from the kiln, but I know nothing of this but what was told me; there are three clamps there; we have sold some, but not from the clamp these were taken from - these are harder, and of a different colour.

Cross-examined: Q. Did you sell them? A. No, Austin sold them.

JOHN CAMP . I am a constable; I went to Mr. Dickensons with a search warrant; I found the prisoner at work setting a range in the kitchen; Sarah Austin was with me, and she called out, "Here are four of the bricks;" the prisoner said he had brought them from where he lived, and they were given him by a person for whom he had two empty houses to take care of.

MARTIN AUSTIN . I had the care of the bricks; I had sold from No. 1 and 2 clamps, but not from No. 3, where these were taken from; there are about twenty thousand of these, none of which have been sold by me, nor to my knowledge - I cannot tell whether any had been sold before I went there.

Prisoner's Defence. These bricks were on the premises when I went to look after them. The man who went away took what bricks he liked, and he said to me,"As you are a bricklayer, these may come in handy for you. I shall not take any more."


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-115

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120. JAMES POWER was indicted for stealing, on the 26th of October , 1 watch, 3l.; 1 piece of ribbon, value 1d.; 1 watch-key, value 2d.; 15 shillings, and 4 sixpences, the property of Felix Mullon , from his person .

FELIX MULLON. I lodge at No. 3, Sun-court, Ratcliff-highway. The prisoner came home in the same ship with me from the Britannia, with a bad character; he had been sent on shore at Chatham - I had been paid off, and fell in with him at the Brown Bear, Ratcliff-highway - I treated him with several pots of beer, because I pitied him, and gave him his dinner; he then invited me to go and see his friends on Saffron-hill - I went to his fathers, but he would not let me in - he then took me to his sister - we had several pots of beer there, but there were a great many persons there - I was a little drunk; we then went to a public-house, and had something to drink, and then he took me to his sister's to sleep; I went there, and sat down on a chair, and half a gallon of beer was fetched - I was lying on a chair dozing to go to sleep, and the prisoner struck me a blow in my mouth, and while I was down he took my watch, which was worth 3l., two £5 notes, and seventeen shillings in silver from me - he kicked me on the thigh, which was black for a week after - when he had got the bettermost of me, and had taken my money, he blew the light out and ran off; it was then about one o'clock - I got down stairs as fast as I could and followed him, but I lost him - I described him to the police, and they took him - I am sure I had my watch and notes that night, and I had changed a sovereign and had 16s. or 17s. in my pocket; all I had spent was what we drank in beer- this is my watch.

Prisoner. He had no £5 notes; I was only indicted for stealing a watch; he was drinking till one o'clock in the morning, and then he wanted to go to Poplar - I told him he might stop and sleep with me - he said,"If you will mind my watch and money, you may have it" - he gave them to me, and then in ten minutes he wanted it again - I said he should not have it till the morning - I went down stairs, and he sung out "Robbery and murder."Witness. No; he knocked me down, and took if from me, and ran down stairs - I followed him till he turned some corner, and I could not find him.

REUBEN BEADLE (police-constable G 75). About one o'clock, I heard a noise, and ran down Saffron-hill - I saw the prosecutor, who said he had lost a watch, two £5 notes, and the change of a sovereign - I went to the house and found his hat in the room; he appeared to have been been drinking, but was not much intoxicated - he gave me a description of the man, and I found the prisoner standing at the end of a court in Saffronhill - I said, "You are the person I want," and he said, "I know what you want" - I was going down with him, and met his sister, who said to him, "You thief, you have robbed the man" - I do not think he said a word.

Prisoner. Did I not tell you I had the man's watch and money safe? Witness. No; you said no such words - the prosecutor appeared to have received a blow in his face.

DANIEL HUMPHRIES (police-constable G 74). I heard that a sailor had been robbed; I went down and found the last witness with the prisoner - I saw something in his pocket; I put my hand in and found fifteen shillings, four sixpences, and this watch - the prisoner then said, "I have got his watch and money" - the prosecutor said,"That is the man that robbed me - I give him in charge."

GUILTY . Aged 25. - Transported for Seven Years .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-116

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121. JOHN ROBINSON was indicted for stealing, on the 16th of November , 2 sovereigns, and 6 shillings, the monies of John Gwillim , from his person .

JOHN GWILLIM . I lodge at the Five Bells, Finchley. On the 16th of November, I fell in with the prisoner and four more young men in Grays-inn-lane, and I went to Smithfield, and looked at some trousers which were in pawn - we then went to a skittle-ground at the White Hart, Aylesbury-street , and I played two games at skittles with the prisoner's friend - I had not known them before - I then found I was in bad circumstances, and wished to get away; it was then about ten o'clock at night - on my leaving the ground the prisoner

followed me and picked my pocket; he forced his hand into my pocket and took out my money - I had been winning and losing money at the game, but I paid what I lost - the prisoner picked my pocket of two sovereigns and six shillings - I laid hold of him round the neck, but he dexterously got his head from under my arm, and I went to the street-door and called the police.

Cross-examined by MR. STAMMERS. Q. What time in the day did you come from Finchley? A. About eleven o'clock in the day; I walked to town and met the prisoner at the Marquis of Granby in Grays-inn-lane, about three o'clock; I had stopped on the road, but had taken no liquor till I got to the Marquis of Granby - I will swear I was quite sober when I got there; I met the prisoner in the skittle-ground there - he introduced himself to me by offering to bet me on the game; I did bet with him once or twice - I do not recollect whether I hesitated or not - it is not a fact that I offered to bet with him; I did not challenge the prisoner to play with me, but I did his friend, whose name was Hopkins, and we played; I do not know how many games; it might be from ten to fifteen games; it was not twenty; we played till about eight o'clock - I drank a little brandy-and-water, certainly - we played for drink; I cannot tell how many games I won or lost - the persons in the ground drank the liquor; there were ten or fifteen quantities of liquor drank by myself and the persons in the ground; I cannot tell who in particular - the first game was for a glass of brandy-and-water; the prisoner, his friend, and me, and I believe two other persons partook of it - the second game was for the same - I cannot recollect what the third game was for - I partook of any quantity of liquor if I felt inclined; I might drink four or five times; I did not note it down - I left the place quite sober; I drank brandy-and-water and half-and-half; I mean half ale and half porter - I had one glass of gin after the games were over; I cannot tell how much I paid for the liquor - I had three sovereigns when I went to the ground - I cannot tell what I spent, for I won and lost money - the prisoner then wished me to go and look at the trousers, which I did, and bought them for 5s.; I am positive of that - we then went to the White Hart, in Aylesbury-street - I had a Welch rabbit and a pint of beer, and the prisoner induced me to go into the skittle-ground there - I played one or two games; I did not notice how many; I paid my way as far as I went - I do not recollect whether they were single games or rubbers; a single game is only one; a rubber is the best two of three - I played about two rubbers; I do not know how long it took to play them; I went about nine o'clock, and was going home comfortable about ten o'clock, when I was robbed - I do not know what liquor I had in the skittle-ground; I do not believe I had any: I might take a taste - when the prisoner robbed me, I caught hold of him, held him as long as I was able, and called for assistance as loud as I could - when I left the skittle ground, the prisoner ran after me and robbed me - there were ten or twelve persons in the skittle-ground then - the prisoner ran after me, and took my money in the passage; I saw his face at the time - there were no lights in the passage, but there is a light in the bar, which shines through a window, and gives light sufficient to recognise any person - I caught the prisoner's head under my arm, and held it for two or three seconds, or perhaps a minute - I cannot tell how long.

COURT. Q. Were you sober, when you got to the White Hart, so as to know what you were about? A. Yes, decidedly; I can swear it was the prisoner took my money - I know I had 2l. 6s. because I counted my money under a gas-light in the ground, just before I came out, and I can distinctly swear that the prisoner ran up to me and took my money - I cried out, "I am robbed;" there were nine or ten persons at play in the ground; they must have heard me - I did not pursue the prisoner; I ran to the front-door, and called for a policeman; I thought the prisoner was safe, as he ran back into the skittle-ground - I had three sovereigns in my pocket when I came to town; I had only changed one of them - the silver and sovereigns were in the same pocket.

MARTHA LEWIS . My father keeps the White Hart, Aylesbury-street - I recollect the prisoner and the prosecutor coming on that Saturday evening, a little before nine o'clock; the prosecutor appeared to be perfectly sober; they went backwards to play at skittles; I afterwards heard the prosecutor say he was robbed by the man he had come in with; he was then in the front of the bar; I did not hear him say how much he had lost.

Cross-examined. Q. How many persons came in with the prosecutor? A. Two; they staid about ten minutes or a quarter of an hour in front of the bar; the prosecutor had a slice of bread and cheese toasted; I did not see him have any drink - I was about my business; I cannot tell how many persons were in the house, or in the skittle ground - the prosecutor did not appear drunk; a man who was drunk might call out that he was robbed.

WILLIAM ROBINSON . I live next door to the White Hart. I was opening my back-door, about ten o'clock that night, and saw two men standing at the door; the prisoner is very much like one of them, but it was dark, and I could not swear to him; he had no hat on - they said, "Let us through, it is only a lark" - I said, "I do not like such larks in my house, get back again over the wall" - it is a good high wall between my yard, and the public-house yard; I saw that the man's hair who had no hat on was dark, and he had a long coat on - I told them to get back, and gave one a lift over the wall; the other got over - I then came to the front-door, and heard a calling for the police; I saw the police going in; I got a light, and the steps, and found a phosphorus box swimming on the water in the butt, which is by the wall where they got over - they could not get over without almost touching it.

Cross-examined. Q. What are you? A. A porkbutcher - I had no light when I went to my back-door, but a good light in my shop, on the cross-counter, which shone to the back-door - the men were close to the door when I opened it; I cannot swear the prisoner is one of the men, but one had his hat off and had dark hair - I lifted one over the wall; the water-butt is not on my side - I have heard there were ten or twelve people in the skittle-ground, but they could not have lifted any one

over without being very close to the water-butt, or touching it, as there is only about a foot of wall, but what the butt stands against which leads into my yard - the box I saw on the water might have fallen from the person who got over the wall.

COURT. Q. You said at first that you would not swear to the prisoner at the bar? A. Yes; but he was a young man like him, and he had dark hair - the water butt stands about the middle of this short wall - a person dropping anything in getting over the wall, would very likely drop it into the butt.

TIMOTHY DONOVAN (Police-constable G 107). I was at the White Hart door, and saw a great many persons assembled, some of whom said, a man was robbed of 2l. 6s.; I saw the prisoner come out of the mob without his hat, and he had a long coat on - he walked out of the door and said, "I know which way he is gone, I will go and find him out;" when he got out of the crowd he ran away - Martha Lewis said, that was one of the men; there was another officer who took the prisoner's partner - when I went out again, Robinson told me, he had found the phosphorus box - I drew the water out of the butt, and found in it nine skeleton keys, a dark lantern, a jemmy, and this halfpenny

Cross-examined. Q. Do men use these tools to pick pockets? A. No; I think they are used for house-breaking - the prisoner wore a long coat, it reached to the middle of his legs; he seemed rather confused - when I went into the skittle-ground there were about ten men there; they all had hats on, that I saw; I cannot say they all had long coats on; I only spoke of the prisoner's partner from what the prosecutor said - I had seen them both before, but not together - the prisoner was taken afterwards, but not by me.

JURY. Q. Is it not probable that those men who pick pockets might use these tools for housebreaking? A. Yes.

Prisoner's Defence. I am quite innocent. I left the gentleman about nine o'clock, and bade him, good night, and he said so to me. I left him, with the young man, playing skittles. I did not play a game with him.

GUILTY . Aged 21. - Transported for Life .

28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-117
VerdictNot Guilty

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122. JOSEPH BAKER was indicted for stealing, on the 16th of October , 24 yards of lawn, value 40s., the goods of Richard Lewellin and others .

WILLIAM BARTON . (police-constable, G 1). On the 16th of October, I took the prisoner and found on him these four pieces of lawn; he said he was travelling clerk to a warehouse in the City, and he had these as patterns; I found on him a card of the prosecutor's and I went there; when I had found the card the prisoner said that was where he lived; and the address was written on one of the brown papers which was round the lawn.

RICHARD HEDGER . I am warehouseman to Richard Lewellin & Co., Wood-street ; the prisoner was there about two months - the number of the pieces of lawn correspond with those we had - we send out patterns of prints but not of lawn - the prisoner had been there that day - he left about seven o'clock in the evening.

Cross-examined by MR. LEE. Can you take upon yourself to say, there is a piece of lawn lost from them? A. Yes; we have lost a good many - I know that by the books which are not here - about twelve persons are employed in our business - they would all have access to these goods - our house does not manufacture these - they are transmitted to London - other persons might purchase pieces of the same manufacturer - my employers told me they had never sent the prisoner out with a piece of lawn - I do not know whether persons in the country have different marks for the goods they send to different houses.

COURT. Q. Would they have a parcel with Lewellin's name on it? A. Certainly not; we have lost many pieces of lawn similar to these - I receive the lawns and enter them in a stock book, and having refreshed my memory by reference to the book, I can say we have lost articles of this description - it is my duty to keep the books - when I am there I sell the lawns, but when I am not others sell them.


28th November 1833
Reference Numbert18331128-118

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123. WILLIAM WELCH was indicted for embezzlement .

MR. DOANE conducted the prosecution.

WILLIAM WHITTLE JOHNSON . I am an oil and colourman , and live in the Commercial-road ; I have one partner, who is my brother Robert - the prisoner was in our service nearly three years - he had £100. a year and lived rent and taxes free - he generally drew his salary by two, three, or five pounds, as he wished to have it, and I think his salary was over drawn at the time of his dismissal - he had accounted to me for money received from Mr. Jennings, but he never accounted for