Old Bailey Proceedings.
4th July 1833
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Before the Right Honourable SIR PETER LAURIE , KNT., LORD MAYOR of the City of London; Sir Stephen Gaselee , Knt., one of the Justices of His Majesty's Court of Common Pleas; Sir James Parke , Knt., one of the Justices of His Majesty's Court of King's Bench; George Scholey , Esq.; John Atkins , Esq.; William Venables , Esq. Aldermen of the said City; the Honourable Charles Ewan Law , Recorder of the said City; Thomas Kelly , Esq.; John Cowan , Esq.; Sir Chapman Marshall , Knt.; and James Harmer , Esq., Aldermen of the said City; William St. Julien Arabin , Sergeant at Law; and John Mirehouse , Esq., His Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer of the City of London, and Justices of the Gaol Delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City, and the County of Middlesex.



William Henry Mill

William Laurence

Robert Woodcock

W. Grey McKenzie

Fred. Wm. Branston

James Richardson

Thomas Freeman

John Daw

Joseph Tomlinson

Charles Cooper

John Norman

George Mason


Henry Richardson

Daniel Cox

Edward Mills

George Blackburn

John Cooks

Robert Buck

Thomas Kingford

Henry Hyde

John Hooper

Rodom A. Smith

James Hardy

John Hillier


George Neale

James Cole

Joseph J. Coleby

John Smart

John Clement

Thomas Booker

William Goad

Robert Wright

W. H. Blackman

T. Higginbottham

R. Charles Searle

Matthew Sowerby



John McAll

John Milne

William Nash

Wm Hy Partridge

Thom. Peppercorn

Thomas Howell

Richard Sheldrake

William Stydolph

Cephas Slatterie

Samuel Searl

Richard Sturtivant

George Travinard


William Trewheeler

Thomas Trueman

John Unwin

George Webb

Thomas Wright

Charles Wood

Joseph R. William

Thomas Walson

Joseph Woodward

James Woodward

Gerrard Wynen

George Telfer


Richard Windeler

Edward Toplis

William Thomas

Henry Tyler

Joseph Tubb

George Thorpe

Henry Todd

Henry Twin

J. Stephen Tanner

J. Law. Turnbul

Joshua Turner

John Tracey


Robert Ackroyd

W. Bale

John Ed. Barnett

Frederick Barry

Samuel Betteley

Charles Broderidge

W. Brocklesby

Alfred Ceal

George Churchill

Stephen Curtis

George Dinon

William Dudley


William Foy

Charles Glass

Daniel Gray

William Harland

William Hart

John Heath

J. Wilson Hillhouse

William Inwood

Samuel James

Thomas Lowndes

William Gardner

Benjamin Massey



*A star placed against the verdict denotes that the prisoner has been previously in custody.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-1
VerdictGuilty; Not Guilty; Not Guilty

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Second London Jury, before Mr. Justice Gaselee.

1024. JOSEPH SANDERSON , THOMAS JONES , and JOHN SHAW , were indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of George Hibbert and others, the Proprietors of and Subscribers to the London Institution for the Advancement of Literature, and the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge , on the 18th of May , at St. Stephen, Coleman-street, and stealing therein, 1 cruet-stand, value 3l.; 3 castor-tops, value 5s.; 17 spoons, value 5l.; 1 pair of sugar-tongs, value 7s.; 600 pieces of coin, value 250l.; 1 neck-chain, value 5l.; 1 cross, value 1l.; 8 rings, value 10l.; 7 seals, value 6l.; 5 snuff-boxes, value 30l.; 1 eye-glass, value 2l.; 2 tooth-pick cases, value 3l.; 1 coral, value 5s.; 6 pieces of gold coin, value 31s.; 4 seven shilling pieces, and 1 double sovereign, the property of William Upcott .

SECOND COUNT like the First, only omitting the words printed in italics.

THIRD COUNT, stating the dwelling-house to be the dwelling-house of William Upcott.

MR. ADOLPHUS conducted the Prosecution.

MR. WILLIAM UPCOTT. I am librarian to the London Institution, which is called by charter, and in a statute,"The London Institution for the Advancement of Literature, and the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge." Mr. George Hibbert is the President of the Institution, and one of the members - I live in the house belonging to the Institution; it is in the parish of St. Stephen, Coleman-street , in the City - I have collected a great many coins, and other objects of antiquity; it has been my hobby from my childhood - I had, among other things, the articles named in the indictment; there was a cruet-stand, and coins, and other things - I kept my coins in a sitting-room leading out of the hall, in cabinets; there were cabinets in the room, which have things of more value, and some having things of less value - I have five drawers filled with miniatures, none of those were taken - on the night of Saturday, the 18th of May, I left the house about seven o'clock, and returned about half-past twelve, and sat up till about a quarter after one; I was not the last person up - my cousin, who is my housekeeper, knocked at my door, about half-past three on Sunday morning, and told me my rooms were broken open; I went down into the lower apartment, and found it in possession of two police officers - the back-door, leading into the garden, being wide open - the front of the house is in Finsbury-circus; there is no way to it backwards; there is a private passage at the side from the Circus, which is divided from the garden of the Institution by a brick wall; it is not connected with the building - I found my room in possession of two officers, and on the table a centre bit, a crow bar, phosphorus box, and a knife, with several of the cruets with the silver tops taken off; they were standing on the table - my cousin was in the room - the window-shutters were open, which had been cut through in two places, to admit their arms to open the bars; one hole would admit two or their arms - I thought the sitting-room over this room might be broken open, and I asked the policeman to accompany me up stairs with his lantern; the moment I got into the hall, I saw my sitting-room door wide open, which I had closed on going to bed the preceding evening - as soon as I entered the room, I saw one of the coin-cabinets lying on the floor; the lock had been cut through with a centre bit, the drawers were thrown promiscuously over the room; another cabinet, containing miniatures, was also lying on the floor; and a drawer, containing papers, was nearly empty; these papers were not taken away - a coin-cabinet, standing under the window, was also broken open; the lock was wrenched off; and a French gold chain, with a cross of the Legion of Honour, also several silver medals, were taken away; but in that cabinet was a collection of Napoleon brouze modals, none of which were taken; two or three of these modals were broken, to ascertain the metal - on the table lay a silk handkerchief, a bundle of matches, and a pewter modals, which they had brought with them; it did not belong to me; that must have been done to ascertain the quality of the coin - I have a large cabinet, with twelve drawers, Gllod

with drawings; and from the upper drawer, on the right hand, they had taken five sovereigns, and thrown the purse on the flour - the value of all the property taken is certainly nearly 400l.; I have laid it at a low value - not a single has been returned; some articles had pieces of valuable metal on them wrenched off, and the rest left behind - here is a little case which belonged to the celebrated Sir John Evelyn , and on the bottom of it was a bit of silver, containing the Evelyn arms, that has been wrenched off - a little pancil-case I found thrown to the end of the room - they took a gold tooth-pick case - I have not seen any of these things since - it must have taken a long time to select all these things, I should think about an hour - I never saw either of the prisoners.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Is William your only name? A. Yes; my family consists of my three cousins, who live with me; they are all females; the porter, his wife, and servant; they all sleep in the house - Mr. Maltby, his housekeeper, and his maid-servant; they live at the top of the house - they are not here to-day, I believe; all my cousins are here - I went to bed that night, I should think, about ten minutes after one - I had been spending the evening at Mr. Bentley's, the publisher - Mr. Hibbert has no second christian name; I have seen him sign his name many times.

MARY PNCKOVER . I am housekeeper to Mr. Upcott, and am his cousin. On the night of the robbery, I was the last person up; the window shutters and every thing was well fastened and secured when I went to bed; the window shutters were entire, there was no hole in them; the window in question was fastened with a bar - I went to bed at half-past one - I was awoke about half-past three in the morning by a noise in the street, I heard Mrs. Hooper and the watchman at high words; I immediately threw up my window, and saw chips laying, and the area-door open - my window is at the back of the house - I became alarmed, and I apprised Mr. Upcott - I called the police over, and then went down stairs, and found the house in the state Mr. Upcott has described - I know a person named Baglee, she has been in the habit of frequenting the house, so as to know the state of it perfectly well; she called on me on the 4th of May, after having been absent a year and three questions; she know the interior of the house perfectly well.

Cross-examined. Q. A gentleman, named Maltby, lived in the house? A. Yes; he has a housekeeper and an under servant; and there is a porter to the Institution - I can't he certain that I had seen all these persons that night; I know I saw the porter at half-past ten o'clock at night; I had not seen him after half-past ten - I did not go into any at the bed-rooms, to see if the servants were gone to had - I certainly can't tell whether the porter might not have been up after me, or the under servant of Mr. Upcott- my niece and daughter were in the house, they are here.

ANN HOOPER . I live at No. 4, Eldon-street; my husband is a builder. A room in my house commands a view back of the Institution - on Sunday morning the 19th of May. I had been up all night attending to a sick lady in my house; and about a quarter-past three o'clock in the morning my attention was down towards the Institution - it was a harmful morning; it was the flowers on the tree lookout of window - the morning was clear, so that everything - (there is a gate or door in the passage, which separates the Institution-garden from the passage) - I saw that door open, and a hand introduced, and a beckoning motion was made in a direction towards Long-alley - my husband was at the window, at the same time, looking out - Mr. Hooper opened one window, and I opened the other, to see who they were beckoning to; we saw nobody - the door was shut and opened, and a beckoning made with the hand five or six times; and then the door opened, and a face looked out up the street, and down the street - the person had no hat on - the door was shut and opened three times, and every time I saw the same face put out, and had a distinct view of the face every time - it was the prisoner Sanderson - I am sure that is the man I saw look out - Mr. Hooper said something to me - I thought it was a love affair, and he thought it was a robbery - we directly called for the watch and police; the watchman stood at the lamp, and did not attend to our call - then the gate opened, and three men ran out together - they crossed to my side of the way, to get out of sight - we called out, Watchman, police, and thieves; and my husband did the same; and brought people out in all directions - the police came round the corner - they were all three then in sight in Queen-square, and the policemen ran after them - the prisoner Jones is very nigh the size of one of the persons running away - it was about five or ten minutes to three o'clock when I first saw them, and it was twenty minutes after that they ran out - I might have seen them for twenty minutes - it was about a quarter-past three o'clock when they ran out - I don't know that I said it was a quarter past three o'clock when I first went to the window - it was about twenty minutes after three o'clock when they ran away - I had been watching them about twenty minutes.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you not say at first it was a quarter after three when you first looked out of window? A. I don't recollect it - being up all night, I knew the time very well indeed - I had got a clock close by me, and looked at it directly after they run away - I am sure it had not struck three when I first saw the hand - I had never seen Sanderson in my life before - I was very much alarmed the whole day - I was very ill through it - I am very sorry I could not get somebody to assist - my husband was not dressed, nor was I - I made more noise that night than I ever did before - it was me that disturbed the last witness - I was calling to the watchman to know what was the matter - I said at the police office that one of the persons was near the size of Jones - what I said was read over to me and I signed it; I said I do not swear to his face; I said he was near his size, I am sure - when they came out, they all had hats on; I could not see either of their faces then; they ran very fast - one had a brown coat on, but I could not see which it was - my window was so near the door which the head was put out of, I could see the face quite perfectly; I might be about fifty yards off; it was a beautiful fine morning; I saw the watchman directly we looked for him; we did not look for him till we saw the face; it was directly after the hand was put out the last time; the watchman was leaning against the lamp iron; it could not be half a minute; I turned my head and there he was; I had not looked at the lamp iron before - I began to call out after the hand was put out the last time; I beckenod to the watchman

and told him, there was something going on there, but he never moved; he stood opposite Wilson-street, which is the width of the Institution, to the other gate; he might be fifty or sixty yards from the door; it was so near that he could see me; he was a parish watchman.

COURT. Q. Is he so now? A. I believe they turned him away; when I accused the watchman, he told me he was deaf and blind; I told him the parish had better pay him to lie in bed, and not to be about - I was dressed at that time; I had come down in the street; I had called out of the window before I came down; the policeman came directly round the corner, when I called, and said,"there they go."

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. Could the watchman see the hand put out where he stood? A. I have every reason to believe he did see it.

GEORGE HOOPER . I am a bricklayer, and am husband of the last witness. I was at the window and saw a hand put out from the back-door of the Institution; I saw the prisoner Sanderson put his face out; I have not a doubt whatever of him; I am quite positive of him; I don't know either of the other two.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you seen Sanderson before. A. Not to my knowledge.

GEORGE DEWAR (policeman G 151). At half-past one on Sunday morning, the 19th of May, I was in Wilson-street, close to the Institution; I there saw three men walking along at a slow pace; Jones and Shaw were two of them; Shaw I am certain of; Jones I am almost certain of, but not so certain of him as the other; Sanderson is about the size of the third man - Shaw made an observation after he passed me, he said, "He did not care a d-n for no policemen; one of the two said "hold your tongue, he has said nothing to you, say nothing to him." They walked on and turned down Eldon-street, and there I saw them pass Long Alley, they were in my sight about ten minutes; I saw no more of them - Jones was dressed in a green coat, made in the Newmarket fashion; Shaw in a blue coat; the other man had a dark coat on.

Cross-examined. Q. This was about half-past one? A. Yes; I did not hear of this robbery for a fortnight afterwards; it did not take place on my beat; I did not appear at the police office till after the third or fourth examinations - I had not known Shaw before to speak to him.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. Where the persons walking in the same direction as yourself. A. Yes; Shaw looked round and looked me particularly in the face; it was he who made use of the observation which made me take more particular notice of them.

JOHN BRADLEY . I am a policeman, G 144. I was in Wilson-street on Sunday morning, the 19th of May; about ten minutes before four o'clock I saw nobody, but heard voices calling for watch and police - I went to the end of Wilson-street, and saw Mr. and Mrs. Hooper at their window still calling out, and saw three men running in a direction for Long Alley; I only saw their backs, and cannot identity any of them.

JAMES PAINTER . I am a policeman. I heard the cry of watch and police, and saw three men run out of the gate of the Institution; I don't know either of them; I went into the Institution; I saw the property strewed about, as has been described, and saw the window shutters; they appeared to be bored outside to admit a man's arm.

ELIZABETH BAGLEE . I am a married woman; I have come from prison to give evidence here; I have been committed for want of sureties; I know the house well, where Mr. Upcott lives and knew where he kept his property - I know the prisoner Sanderson very well, and I have a slight knowledge of the other two; I became acquainted with them through Sanderson - I had seen Sanderson about four years ago, but have known him more intimately for the last four months; I remember walking with him and Jones near the London Institution about a week before the robbery - previous to this I had met Sanderson on the Saturday fortnight before the robbery, and told him I was going to see a friend of mine; he asked me, where to; I said, to the London Institution, and told him I was almost afraid to go, because I was afraid I had offended Mr. Upcott, on account of some little circumstance; he asked me why I did not go and see, I said I would; I said I was going then; (this was a fortnight before the robbery); I made an appointment to meet Sanderson when I came away, and I went to Mr. Upcott's, and met Sanderson accordingly; he asked me if I had been; I said, yes; he asked, if I had seen him; I said, no; he asked me, what Mr. Upcott was; I told him, he was Librarian to the London Institution; he asked me, if he was a man of property; I told him, I did not know, but I believed he was a man that took a great deal of pride in some gold coins which he had got - nothing further passed at that time, but about a week afterwards, as near as I can recollect; I met Sanderson by appointment; he took me down to Jones's house, at the bottom of Holborn-hill, and I there saw Mr. and Mrs. Jones; and Sanderson asked Jones, if he would like to take a walk, as he was going to take a walk; Jones made answer, that he had no objection, and we all three came out to take a walk, Sanderson, Jones, and myself; leaving Mrs. Jones at home - when we got as far as Long-lane, Smithfield; I said "Where are we going to?" Jones said he wanted to go round Finsbury-square; we went that way, and went to see the Catholic chapel; he said he had never seen it, and should like to see it; it is near the London Institution - we came round by the Catholic chapel, and walked round till we came to the back of the London Institution; then Sanderson asked me, if that was not where my friend lived; I said, yes, it is, and those are his rooms which you can see; and then he asked me, which was the room he kept his property in, and I told him the room in the hall - Jones and Sanderson desired me to walk on a little, and they stood at the rails for the space of two minutes; I walked on; he asked me where the family slept.

Q. When you say he asked you, were the others by all the time, joining in the conversation? A. Yes, it was a conversation among us all three - I told him I did not know, but I believed at the top of the house; he asked me if anybody slept down stairs; I told him the porter and his wife - nothing further passed then. - I read in a newspaper of the robbery, a day or two after the robbery;(it was nine or ten days after teh day we took the walk,) and from the description it gave of Sanderson, I went immediately to him where he lodged; I asked him if he knew

anything of Mr. Upcott's robbery; he said, "No, how came you to think of such a thing" - he said, he thought I was talking very foolish, and I had better go home, and he saw me home, and told me to meet him next morning, which I did accordingly; he said I was to meet him at the corner of the street where he lodged; he asked me then if I wanted any money; I said, yes, if he liked to give me some; he gave me 2l. and told me to buy myself a new dress; I went to buy the dress - he did not go with me - I went to see Mrs. Jones, and had a conversation with her; I know nothing more - I saw the prisoners when in custody; I was taken into custody myself, and told all I know about it, and the conversation I had with Mrs. Jones - when they were talking about the house and property, I told them Mr. Upcott kept nothing but papers in his room below - I never saw Shaw in Jones's or Sanderson's company; I have seen him speaking to them - Sanderson had on a black coat in general; I don't recollect noticing Jones's clothes - when I saw Shaw speaking to Sanderson, I think he had on a blue coat, and yellow buttons; I can positively say that - Sanderson represents himself to be a working jeweller.

Cross-examined. Q. Shaw has a blue coat and yellow buttons on now, has not he? A. Yes; it is a very common dress - I don't know why I told Sanderson that Mr. Upcott kept nothing but papers below - he asked me where he kept his property - I don't know why I said he kept nothing but papers below - I am a married woman - I am not living with my husband; Sanderson had given me money before, but not to that amount; he had not given me money often before - about twice I suppose; I never was in Mr. Upcott's service, nor living in the house, nor in the Institution; Mr. Upcott has shown me where the papers were - I have been in service - I have left my husband two years; I have not been in service those two years - part of that time I have been at home with my father and mother, and part of the time with a friend that has taken care of me - I swear that - that is the only way I have got my living since I left my husband.

Q. How came you to get money from Sanderson twice? A. He offered me the money, and I took it - I understand what you mean; I have been living with my friend at No. 3, Weston-place, Paddington - I have lived there about two months - I cannot swear that I have been there three months - I will swear that I have been there one month; I was at my father's house frequently after parting from my husband - it is more than six months ago since I left my father's house; I lived with my friend since that time - I lived with that friend in Duke-street - I have been living entirely with that friend since I left my father's house; I know a man named Maze - that is the person I am living with - Sanderson is no relation of mine - it was while I was living with Maze that he gave me the money - Maze is about thirty years of age - he is no relation of mine - we are living together as man and wife; I believe Sanderson had no reason for giving me money but pure friendship - I swear that I don't know of any other reason - I understand you; I believe it was pure disinterestedness that made him give me the money - I cannot say whether it was two or three times - I don't recollect more than three; I am sure he has not given me money six times.

EDMUND DAVIS (policeman E 86). On the 29th of May, I went to the Crown public-house, St. Giles', at six o'clock in the morning, and saw the three prisoners (Huggleston was with me), I told them I wanted them, which means that I intended to take them into custody; Jones and Shaw came out at one door of the house (there are two doors to the house), I thought Sanderson was following them, but I found afterwards that he had run out at the side door; I pursued him - he ran down Crown-street, along Sutton-street, towards Soho-square - while I was pursuing him, I saw him take something out of his pocket and throw it away as he ran - I heard it jingle like iron on the stones - I could not stop to pick it up - I saw it lying on the ground, it was a crow-bar- it was like this (looking at one) - and as he ran along Soho-square, I saw him throw something more away down an area - I heard that jingle - I secured him, and took him to the station-house; I got over the area and found two skeleton keys - I received four skeleton keys from somebody else.

EDWARD HUGGLESTON. I am a policeman. I wen to the Crown, and took Jones and Shaw into custody - Jones ran across the way, but I took him again.

JAMES NEAL. I am a policeman. I was in Soho-square, on the morning of the 29th of May - I saw Sanderson pursued by Davis - I saw him run through the square, in a direction from Sutton-street - I did not hear a window broken.

Sanderson's Defence. I am entirely innocent - I believe I have a witness.

MR. PHILLIPS. The witness is to contradict Baglee, but she has admitted her station in life.




4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-2
VerdictGuilty; Guilty
SentenceDeath; Death

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1025. JOHN SLATER, alias JOHN WALKER , RICHARD ARTHUR, alias SIMMONS , were indicted, that they, on the 28th of June , at St. Faith, under St. Pauls , about eleven o'clock at night of the same day, the dwelling-house of John Williams , feloniously and burglariously did break and enter, with intent to steal the goods in the same dwelling-house .

WILLIAM WILLIAMS . I live at No. 44, Paternoster-row - I am porter to Sanderson and Co. The house is Mr. John Williams's, he is a bookseller and publisher - he is my uncle; he does not live in the house himself, he lets it in offices - I went there at ten minutes or a quarter past eight o'clock in the evening, on the 28th of June; I let myself in with a key - I did not find any body there then; I went up stairs, and got my bed ready; I staid ten minutes, then went out again, and returned at a quarter-past eleven o'clock - I double locked the door when I went out, and when I got back I found it was only single locked; I considered for a moment how it came on the single lock, and I heard the noise of one or more persons coming down stairs - I called to know who was there, but received no answer till the third or fourth time, when one of the men inside answered, "It is only me, old fellow, I found the door open" - I immediately shut the door and locked it, and

called the watchman; he came and went away for assistance and a light - he returned, I opened the door, and we all went in - we followed the prisoners up to the top of the house; the watchman there took them - after they were taken to the watch-house, there were some tools found on the first floor of the house, and under the stairs a wax candle - there were twelve holes bored in the first floor, and the top of one of the stairs had been taken off to hide the candle in; there were goods of Mr. Williams's in the house - the second floor was let out, and the shop down below; I did not go over the house, when I first went in, only to the rooms up stairs - there was no person there then to my knowledge.

JOHN SMITH . I am Inspector of the watch. On the night in question I went to No. 44, Paternoster-row, about half-past eleven o'clock - I saw the last witness at the door; he let me in - I heard somebody in the house; I went up to the top landing, and found the two prisoners standing there; they said, "Don't alarm yourselves, don't use any bludgeons, we are here" - we took the prisoners to the watch-house, and came back immediately and found these things - here is a dark lantern, a crow-bar, generally termed a jemmy, one chisel, one skrew-driver, one centre-bit, - and a wax candle was in the fifth step from the door, which was broken and part of it wrenched up - in the first floor we found from twelve to fourteen holes bored in the floor; the centre-bit exactly answers the holes - we then went back to the watch-house and searched the prisoners; we found a cord on one of them, I cannot tell which, and a knife - the next day I went to search the house further, and I found two pieces of wax candle that had been lighted; the one I found the night before had not - I looked about to see if any wax had been dropt about, and there was none - they had not got into any place to disturb any goods - I found a center bit in the watch house next day.

JOHN KITSON . I am a watchman. I went with the last witness to the house, I believe the house is in St. Faith's parish, I don't know any other name for it - we found the two prisoners on the top landing.

COURT to JOHN SMITH. Q. What are you? A. Inspector of the watch of the ward of Farringdon Within - I know the house, it is in the parish of St. Faith under St. Paul's.

WILLIAM WILLIAMS, re-examined. Mr. John Williams is not here; he was informed that the Court did not sit till five o'clock - he was five miles out of town when it happened.

Slater's Defence. I own it is true I was in the house a little after eleven o'clock - we were in great distress, and are so now - we walked by the house, and saw the door open; we went in with no good intent, but the things now produced never did belong to us, and never were in our possession - we had hardly shut the door before it was opened, and we flew up stairs - I must leave myself to the mercy of the Court, it was done through want.

Arthur's Defence. What I have done has been through distress with a view of getting a few shillings to support two fatherless children, which is well known.

James Griffiths, a hackney-coachmaster, of Mitcham-street, St. Marylebone, deposed to the previous good character of Slater.

Slater. I beg to say one thing, I am aliased in the name of Slater or Walker, my right name is John Slater Walker.

WILLIAM WILLIAMS re-examined. Q. Did you look round to see if there was any way in which they could have got in but by opening the door? A. Yes, we did - no one could have got in but by opening the door.



4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-3

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1027. MICHAEL HEALEY was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of William Brooke , on the 25th of June , at St. Margaret, Westminster, and stealing therein 4 seals, value 30s., and 1 watch key, value 6s., his goods .

WILLIAM BROOKE. I am a hardwareman and jeweller , and live at No. 9, Tothill-street, in the parish of St. Margaret, Westminster . On the 25th of June, I was at home in the back part of my shop, and heard a smash at my shop window - I went forwards, and saw the prisoner in the hands of Mr. Green; I found a square of glass smashed to pieces, and Green had got four gold seals, a key and ring, which had been in my window - I am the housekeeper.

WILLIAM GREEN . I am a chemist, and live in Queen-square, Westminster. On the 25th of June, about a quarter to nine o'clock at night, I was passing the prosecutor's shop; my attention was arrested by a violent crash of the plate glass window - I turned round immediately, and saw the prisoner with his hand within side the window, and in his hand, was among other things, these articles, which I took from him, bloody as they are - I grasped his hand, and they were inside his hand; his hand was, at that time, inside the pane - I drew his hand out, and they came out in his hand; he made no resistance nor attempt to escape - his hand was bloody, being cut with the window - I showed the articles to Brooke afterwards; I should say the prisoner was intoxicated at the time, and stated, his object in doing it was to be transported - it was about a quarter to nine o'clock; it was dusk - light enough to see a man's face.

THOMAS BURKE . I am a policeman. I received the prisoner in custody at Brooke's shop; his hand was cut and bleeding - as I took him to the station-house, (I neither threatened nor made him any promise) he told me he run his hand through the window to get out the seals, saying, he thought he might run away with them, but as it was, he hoped he might be transported.

Prisoner. You told me next morning, that I said that I could have run away if I liked. Witness. No, I did not; he seemed rather sorry next morning, and wished to see Mr. Brooke - he said he was not so drunk as he appeared to be.

WILLIAM BROOKE. These are my articles, and were exposed for sale in my shop.

Prisoner's Defence. All I remember is, I met a few shopmates; I was drinking with them all day, and became intoxicated - in going along, I made a stumble, and smashed the glass with my hand - I knew nothing more

about the transaction till next morning - when I heard Green's evidence against me, I have been a bricklayer for nine years, and got my living by hard work.

George Evans , bricklayer; William Beldom , bricklayer; and Ellen Blundell, widow; gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY - DEATH . Aged 25.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-4
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1028. THOMAS SMITH was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Joseph Harris , on the 8th of June , at St. Margaret, Westminster, and stealing therein 13 silver pencil-cases, value 13s., his property .

GEORGE COLLEY . I am shopman to Mr. Joseph Harris, who lives at No. 54, Tothill-street, in the parish of St. Margaret, Westminster ; he is a pawnbroker and silversmith . On Saturday night, the 8th of June, about five minutes to eight o'clock, I was in the shop, and heard the window broken - I ran out, and saw the prisoner running along; I ran after him about a hundred yards, and then called out stop thief; a man stopped him immediately - I brought him back about twenty yards; I then gave him in charge to a policeman - he had got thirteen silver pencil-cases - he had them in his hand, and gave them to Mr. Harris when the policeman took him into the shop - I had seen them in the shop in the afternoon - I did not look at the pencil-cases before I ran out - I had seen the window whole about an hour before; I did not observe the pencil-cases then - I suppose there were about a hundred pencil-cases in the window; they were in a tray.

WILLIAM BURT . I am a policeman. I was on duty in Tothill-street on the evening of the 8th of June - I was about thirty yards behind the prisoner, and saw him pass Mr. Harris's window, and saw him hit his hand into the window; he broke the window, but I was not aware that he had taken anything - he walked three or four paces, and then ran as fast as he could possibly go - the last witness got out of the door before I got up to the window; he cried stop him; he was stopped by a man turning out of Princes-street - I went up, and Harris's shopman was then bringing him back - I took him back to the shop, and he delivered up to Mr. Harris fifteen silver pencil-cases; they have been in my possession ever since - I have them here - I said nothing to him at all; he said nothing to me, except that it was distress drove him to it, and that he had no home nor any employment.

JOSEPH HARRIS . These pencil-cases are mine, and are worth thirteen shillings; they were delivered up to me by the prisoner - I asked how he came to do it; he made no reply - I had seen them safe that afternoon, and saw the glass whole then.

The prisoner made no defence.

WILLIAM BREADBEAR . I am a cabinet maker; I live in the Curtain-road, Shoreditch. I have known the prisoner from infancy; his character was exemplary in all respects, as a sober, industrious, honest man - he was employed in a cotton manufactory when young - I never heard anything disrespectful of his character - I think this must have been done under mental excitement - about a year and a quarter ago, he lost his father, mother, and sister, who were all the near relatives he had, and he was committed to my care; and he has conducted himself with the strictest propriety - he has had work to do up to the day this transaction took place - he was with me; he never lost his time, and was never out at night, and never had any vicious propensity whatever - I always considered his propensity on the side of virtue - this was under influence of mental excitement; his mind I believe sustained great injury from the loss of his father, mother, and sister; and since that I believe there has been some other causes - he had no medical attendant - he was at work as early as five or six o'clock in the morning on the day of this occurrence - he is a cabinet maker, and a very industrious ingenious young man.

Q. What do you mean by mental excitement? A. There has been something of an exchange of sentiment between himself and a female - he met with some difficulty in this attachment; and I believe this was the cause of his leaving my house in the morning - he had received some objections to his overtures that day, and I account for this being the principal cause - many have committed suicide under such circumstances - he has never been in a state of confinement, nor under medical treatment.

Elizabeth Storey , Curtain-road; James Matlock , cabinet maker, 123, Curtain-road; and George Thornton , 123, Curtain-road; gave the prisoner a good character.

ELISHA MILLWALL . I live at No. 10, Park-street, Dorset-square; I am a tailor. I have known him since he was about two years old - his character has been undeniable; he was an industrious honest boy - he lost his father, mother, and sister, all within a few months; it was about the time a fever was raging so much in London about a year and a quarter ago - I do not myself know that he did not know what he was about.

Jury to BREADBEAR. Q. Supposing his Majesty should be disposed to treat him leniently, would you take him back? A. Yes, with the greatest pleasure.

GUILTY - DEATH . Aged 20.

Strongly Recommended to Mercy by the prosecutor and Jury .

A COMMUNICATION having been made to the Court on the Fourth Day of the Sessions, that the witnesses on the several bills of Indictment preferred before the Middlesex Grand Jury, at Clerkenwell, on the Tuesday and Wednesday, had not been sworn before the Court but by the Crier, at a time when the Court was not sitting. Inquiry was made, and this having been ascertained to be the fact, the learned Judges have determined that the said bills are illegally presented, and no judgment has been passed in those cases; but a Special Commission it is expected will issue for the purpose of fresh bills being preferred, and the cases in which prisoners have been convicted to be re-tried. The Court have accordingly ordered those prisoners, as also those whose cases have not been tried, to be detained; and only passed judgment upon those prisoners against whom Indictments were found at the London and Westminster Sessions. The indictments which have been illegally found are printed in ITALICS.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-5
VerdictNot Guilty

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1029. GEORGE FURSEY was indicted, that he did on the 13th of May , feloniously, unlawfully, and maliciously did stab and wound one John Brooke , in and upon his left side, with intent to disable him .

SECOND COUNT the same, only stating his intent be to do the said John Brooke some grievous bodily harm.

THIRD COUNT, for feloniously stabbing, &c. the said John Brooke, he being a constable duly appointed and sworn to act as a constable under and by virtue of an Act of Parliament, 10th George IV. with intent to prevent the lawful apprehension of the said George Fursey, for a certain offence for which he was liable to be apprehended, that is to say, for being with divers other persons, to wit, five hundred persons tumultuously assembled, making a riot, tumult, and affray, to the disturbance of the public peace, &c.

FOURTH COUNT, the same, only omitting to state that the said John Brooke was a constable, &c.

FIFTH COUNT, the same, only omitting to state the offence for which the prisoner was liable to be apprehended.


JOHN BROOKE . I was a constable belonging to the Metropolitan police , but I am not so now. I was so on the 13th of May; I no longer belong to that body; I belong now to the Lincoln militia; I entered that on the 4th of June, as sergeant-major - I had been in the Metropolitan police upwards of twelve months, as near as I can guess; I belonged to the C division - on the 13th of May, I was called out; about twelve o'clock we fell in at St. James' watch-house, and proceeded to a riding-school in Gray's-inn-lane - I don't know the name of the riding-school; it was on the right hand side as we went to Calthorpe-street - we arrived at the riding-school about two o'clock, and remained there upwards of an hour - after we had marched there we fell in regularly in the stables, and I was ordered to march out with the right sub-division of the C division; there was about forty or forty-two constables in that sub-division - we marched out into Gray's-inn-lane, turned round the corner to the left hand, and went into Calthorpe-street - the riding-school is on the right going there, and as we came back it was on the left; we turned to the left and got into Calthorpe-street - the riding-school is to the north of Calthorpe-street; we came out, got into Gray's-inn-lane, turned to the left, and got into Calthorpe-street, and there saw a vast number of people, apparently coming from the fields at the other end of Calthorpe-street - I cannot say what number, there might be several hundreds; the street was full of them - when we got about the centre part of the street, I saw a person bringing a banner in his left hand, folded; he held it folded-up in his left hand - I saw him some paces before he got to where I was.

Q. Could you see any part of the banner itself? A. I did; it was a sort of American colour, a union, white and red - I know the colours of the American standard; it seemed to me to be a flag or colour; I could not see the size of it; I saw it folded in the man's left hand; I saw a part of white and a part of red on it; I did not see any other colour; it was fastened to a pole or stick - the prisoner is the man who had the flag; I am certain of him; when he came opposite to where I was in the centre of the street, he raised his right hand and struck me on the sixth rib on the left side - I had been doing nothing before he struck me, only commanding the sub-division; I neither raised my staff nor touched any individual since I came into the street, nor saw anybody else attempt to do so - the blow was with the right hand; it was with an instrument something like a dagger, seven or eight inches long; the hilt of the dagger was brass - after I received the blow, I retired back two or three paces, and after I had retired I looked particularly at the prisoner, and saw an instrument like a dagger in his right hand - I received a severe wound; it produced such a wound that I was obliged to leave the division - I saw another constable there named Redwood, he was on my left; he went towards the prisoner; I then turned and looked at him, and saw him and the prisoner, and other constables scuffling together in the street - I went to the end of the street towards the fields, and there I met the sergeant, who took me to a doctor's, to get my wound dressed - there was no probe or instrument put into the wound then; they examined it and put a plaster over it to prevent it from bleeding; it had bled - I must have been six, seven, eight, or nine days before I was able to go about; it was probed the morning after - I was at my own house during the eight or nine days, confined to the house; it was four or five days after that before it was healed up; when it was proped it was found that the dagger had struck the sixth rib - the blow was given with considerable force.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Your rib was not broken, I believe? A. It was not; the fleshy part over the sixth rib is slight, there is a very thin surface or skin over the rib.

Q. Was it since this affair that you got promoted into the Lincoln militia? A. No; I have got it since, but I was recommended to it some days before this - Earl Portmore is the colonel of the militia - I don't know how many divisions of police were there that day; I cannot form any opinion at all; I was at the head of a subdivision; I don't know how many there might be in the field - I had the use of my sight till after I was wounded, and then my sight was taken away.

Q. I thought you said you looked particularly at the prisoner, after you were wounded; how could that be, if your sight was taken away? A. That was immediately after, but I had some distance to go before I got out of the street - I turned round and saw the prisoner with another policeman.

Q. Your sight was not gone then, was it? A. Why, I was not killed dead; my sight could not be gone then - I cannot tell how many policemen I saw on the ground; I saw the division I belonged to; I cannot say how many more there were; I will not swear there was not five hundred nor twelve hundred; I am not able to swear about it; I did not see them; they had all truncheons, all that I know of - I did not see the hustings or railings where the chairman was at all - there were several policeman and inhabitants about

the prisoner at the time this took place; I cannot say how many; I dare say there were some hundreds coming into the street, and there were some hundreds near him, because they were meeting.

Q. Were not the inhabitants, as you call them, that is the persons who were not of the police, doing all they could to get out of the way of the police? A. They were coming down the street from the field; I did not see any police driving them.

Q. Did they not appear to be doing all they could to get out of the way of the police? A. I did not see it; I had not a considerable view of the ground; where I was I could only see to the end of the street and no further; I was about the centre of the street - I cannot say what the people had been doing, they came down on the division down the street; it was about three o'clock.

Q. What do you mean by coming down on the division? A. I should suppose to drive them out of the street; I cannot answer for our whole division having truncheons; all my subdivision had to the best of my knowledge; they were paraded before they got there, in the riding-school, and my subdivision was at the head of the whole of them; they were paraded, and I saw they had truncheons then, but some of the men might have lost their truncheons.

Q. Did they not march to the ground with their truncheons in their right hand, leaning on their left arm? A. No, not to my knowledge; I was at the head of them, leading them, and cannot say what was going on in my rear. I did not give my division an order to draw their truncheons - I can say my subdivision did not strike nor offer to strike - after I turned about I could not see all my subdivision; I saw part of them - I cannot say whether they had their truncheons out, because I was wounded then; they might have had them out and I not see it - my subdivision consisted of between thirty and forty, to the best of my knowledge - it was upwards of forty, I will say, forty-two; I cannot swear it was not fifty; there was not sixty; I cannot say exactly the number - I know it was under fifty, by the number of files - I speak to the best of my knowledge - the people were not quiet at the time the police rushed on them; they were coming out of the fields.

Q. Were they not peaceable? A. They were not, for I was stabbed; at the time the policemen went into the street they were coming from the fields - I did not consider them peaceable - I did not see any person commit a single act of violence till I was stabbed.

Q. Pray what was it induced you to say they did not appear peaceable? A. Because this man came deliberately from the side of the street into the middle and stuck me - I am speaking of what I saw, and what was done to me - the people round the prisoner were not peaceable, they were fighting with the police - when I came down they were scuffling round about where I was - I saw that, it was when I went towards the mob - directly after I was stabbed this scene commenced.

Q. Did you not swear this instant, that when you came down you saw the people scuffling and fighting with the police? A. That was just at the moment that I was wounded.

Q. How long the scuffling and fighting had been before you came there you can't say? A. I cannot say; at the time I went up there was no fighting with the police or the people - not till I was stabbed - I explained before that there was no struggling and fighting in Calthorpe-street till I was stabbed.

Q. You swore that when you came down you saw the people scuffling and fighting with the police? A. That was at the time I was at the head of my subdivision, when I received the wound - directly after.

Q. Did you not say to me the people were fighting and scuffling with the police when you came down? A. That was after I was wounded - there was no fighting in the street till after that happened.

Q. What did you mean by this expression? "How long they had been fighting before I came I can't tell."? A. That was a misunderstanding of mine, because there was no fighting till I was cut - not in that street - I was not able to see into any other place - I was going away when they were scuffling and fighting with the police - I did not see the police use their truncheons; some of the men had their truncheons, but not using them - I believe an inquest was held on a man killed in this affair, but I was not there - I don't know who prosecutes this case - I am one of the witnesses - I incur no expense to my knowledge in this prosecution.

Q. Do you happen to know another policeman named Popay? A. No; I don't recollect a man of that name; he may go by another name - I never heard the name before to my knowledge - I don't know a name of that kind in the police - I have not seen a man here to-day of that name - I don't know whether any of the police were in plain clothes that day on the ground; they were not to my knowledge - I did not see any of the people wounded that day - I saw no women and children knocked down and bleeding in the street - I stated before the magistrate to the best of my knowledge, that when I was struck I retired two or three paces, and then looked particularly at the prisoner - I don't know whether I did say that before the magistrate - I believe I did - what I said was taken down.(POPAY was here called into Court.)

Q. Look at that man; have you ever seen him before? A. I don't recollect the man, Sir - I have never spoken to him to my knowledge; he is no acquaintance of mine - when the policeman are paraded, they are in ranks regularly like the military; but I could not see them all - I saw my own subdivision at the door - I was never away from the door of the riding-school - I was obliged to turn my back to the door to look at them - I did not notice whether the riding-school was nearly full or not - they had not their truncheons in their hands when they were paraded, they were then in their pockets - I and another serjeant, I believe his name is Macdonald, commanded the subdivision, - there was a superintendant - I commanded a subdivision, not a division; and that subdivision had their truncheons in their pockets in the riding-school - when they got out into the street, the superintendant gave the command to draw their truncheons I believe - I did not give the command - I heard the command given, but I did not see the constables have their truncheons in their hands, as I said before - the command was given loudly, so that the division could hear, and the private are regularly in the habit of obeying the command when given - I have no doubt

their truncheons were drawn when the command was given; I did not see the American flag unfurled; the man had it in his hand - I believe there are red and white in the English union flag, but a colour of that description is generally called an American flag - I only saw white and red colours, that is generally what is used in the American shipping, the Union; it was like an American flag - is like the English flag too - I have no reason for calling it an American flag - I have no other reason than I have given; it was like an American colour or flag, and as like the English - I have no reason for calling it one more than another - it was not to prejudice the prisoner, that I called it an American colour instead of English - there was a superintendant with us in the riding-school - I did not see any other officers.

COURT. Q. Is the superintendant an officer? A. He is called an officer, he commands the division.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Where did you come from to the riding-school? A. From St. James's, Westminster, watch-house - I only saw my own superintendant and inspector there; I did not see Colonel Rowan there; I saw him in Gray's-inn-lane; fifty yards or less from Calthorpe-street - I did not see Lord Melbourne there - I did not see any military officers there - my weapon was a staff - I had been in the police upwards of twelve months; before that I was in the guards, about two years ago - I got my discharge from the guards; I asked for my discharge; I had completed my service - I was in no other regiment - no court-martial was held concerning me in any regiment, nor court of inquiry - I was twenty-five years and forty-one days in the guards - I was out of the guards upwards of twelve months before I went into the police - I have been in the field, and ought to know the use of arms - I did not hear any cries of"Shame, shame!" from the windows in Calthorpe-street - I saw Fursey in a stable or coach-house, after the surgeon dressed my wound - I told the magistrate I believed it was a coach-house, but I was not certain; I was not well enough to take notice - I did not hear anybody say in the stable that was the man, because he carried the death and liberty flag - there might be upwards of fifty or sixty persons in the stable or coach-house, or more; they were not all policemen - there was no wounded men there that I know of; I was there myself - when I went to the door, the man came to the door; I did not go up into the coach-house - the prisoner came from behind the men; they called his name; as soon as I saw the man, I identified him as being the man who stabbed me in the street; he was sent forward, I believe, from the men; I then identified him; that was about two hours, or upwards, after I lost my sight from the wound - there was nothing to prevent my going in; and being desired to point out the man, instead of his being sent forwards - I saw no wounded men in that place to my recollection - Fursey himself was bleeding at the side of the face, but I did not see any wound; I did not see him wounded nor yet struck; I did not notice his head; I believe he had a hat on when I first saw him in the stables; yes, he had a hat on at the time I was there - I did not see his head bandaged - there was blood on his cheek, but I did not see any wound; it was only for a moment or two that I saw him - I did not form any notion how the blood came on his face, I was too ill to take notice - I was stabbed about one hundred or two hundred yards from the doctor's, more or less - I walked that distance with another serjeant - I did not notice that Fursey had the appearance of a man violently ill used; he had blood on his cheek.

MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL. Q. You were above twenty-five years in the guards, in which regiment? A. The 1st Grenadier guards - I entered the regiment at eighteen years of age; I served at Waterloo - I could not discover how the stripes were distributed in the flag; he had it folded in his hand - I think I should know the flag again if I saw it - I came to the stables about two hours after I was wounded - the prisoner came from others towards me - I did not know his name till his name was called, and directly the man came towards me - I identified him as being the man who stuck me - I have not a doubt whatever that the person I saw there, and who is now at the bar, was the person who gave me the wound.

A JUROR. Q. How long was it after you received the wound before you lost your sight? A. It was a minute or two afterwards - directly after I received the wound I lost my sight - after being wounded I went round to the doctor's to get my wound dressed - I was some considerable time in the doctor's shop, then went into a yard and sat down - I was upwards of two hours before I was taken home - I had recovered my sight before I got to the stable-yard; I might be about a quarter of an hour getting from the crowd to the surgeons - I was with the sergeant who conducted me there- I was not able to go by myself.

COURT. Q. How near was Redwood to you when you was struck? A. He was just on my left, about a pace or two - he had said or done nothing to my knowledge before I was struck; I did not see anything of the kind - the instrument was in the prisoner's right hand - he was carrying it down by his side, hanging his arm down with it in his hand - I did not observe anything in his hand till he raised his arm against me; I did not observe anybody trying to take the flag before I was struck - I did not try myself nor demand it.

HENRY CHANCE REDWOOD . I am a police-constable, and was so on the 13th of May, I belong to the C division - Brooke was my sergeant; on the 13th of May I was at the riding-school in Gray's-inn-lane with Brooke - I went from there into Calthorpe-street, Brooke was with me - he was in front of us; when I got into Calthorpe-street I saw a mob of people coming down the street out of the open space or field - I was in the first subdivision of the C division, and saw the prisoner at the bar, leastwise I saw a flag, which I have here - the prisoner had it (producing it) - he was holding it in this direction with his left hand(holding it before him); that stick was part of the staff, but he had lowered it down - he had hold of the staff at the lower part - the staff was whole at that time, and the flag fastened to it - he held the staff in his left hand - his right hand was down in this manner, in the first instance when I went up to him (holding his arm down by his side); I saw him come from the right hand corner of Calthorpe-street, as we were coming out of Gray's-inn-road - he came out into the middle of the street - I left my rank and went out towards the prisoner to get the colour from him, and in so doing heard sergeant Brooke say, "Oh!" - that was before I got up to the prisoner, Brooke was in front of me then - the prisoner just passed him at the time - I saw them close together - he had passed him at the time Brooke said

"Oh!" - he had passed him - the prisoner was close by the side of him; I don't know what became of Brooke - I lost sight of Brooke because my attention was on the prisoner; I advanced up to the prisoner and demanded the colour of him - he refused to give up the colour - I told him I should take it from him; I then seized the flag with both hands - the moment I seized the flag I saw him raise his right hand with a blade in it, terminating with a sharp point, about six or eight inches in length - I then struck him with my staff for safety - he raised his hand from his side, and I raised my truncheon, and struck him - in defending the blow I put my arm out - he lifted up his arm in this manner - I put up my left hand to defend myself, and he struck me through my left arm; that was before I struck him with the truncheon - I struck him on the head with my truncheon somewhere, but where I cannot say; after I struck him I collared him with my right hand on his left hand collar - I never lost sight of him from the time he struck me, till the time I took him in custody - I took him in custody on the spot; the wound I received was a threeedged wound - I have the same coat on now as I had then - an instrument was found in the stable where he was confined - I saw the instrument in his hand - it was about six or eight inches long, and terminated with a sharp point - I took him in custody, and delivered him over to two more, - Holland No. 155 and James Compton No. 167, both of the C division, and they took him away; I told them at the time that the man had stabbed me - the wound was a three-edged wound, commonly called a triangular wound.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Are you acquainted at all with St. Albans? A. I am; Rickmansworth is my native place - I have been to St. Albans, but never lived there - I was never there on any charge that I am aware of - I was indicted once for an assault - I now recollect myself.

Q. All of a sudden? A. All of a sudden; that was the only charge against me - I know the Giltspur-street Compter - I was there once but it was wrongfully - I don't consider that a charge; I consider it a charge when a man is in confinement - I was not in confinement there.

Q. How came you there? A. I had some property of my own, and another man wanted it, and I would not let him have it - I was not in confinement in Giltspur-street - I was taken there and liberated immediately, without going before anybody except those at the watch-house - I don't know whether it was Giltspur-street Compter or the watch-house that I was taken to - I am not much acquainted with London; I have been in the police two years last April - this was before the police came on, it was the large stone building I was taken to - I have never been there since - it is on the right hand as you go across from here; I don't know who let me out - the man who wanted my property and I went up to the Compter together - he wanted to charge me with felony, but he could not - I was not charged with it - the man's name was Booth - I cannot exactly say what property it was now; a watch and a gown was two things among it - I cannot recollect any more - there was a few more - I don't recollect what they were - I knew they were mine, because I bought them and paid for them, and that is a good reason; the watch was made by Mr. Atwell, of Uxbridge, and that is where I purchased it - it was a metal watch, a woman's watch - I bought it of him in 1824 - I cannot say whether Mr. Atwell is alive now; I cannot say whether it was in my fob or in a bundle at the time - I had a bundle I know - I had a bundle in my hand - the gown was in my handkerchief, which I had in my hand; I was not in the habit of carrying watches about in bundles - I cannot say whether the watch was in the bundle or in my fob on the occasion - I was not charged with stealing that bundle - the charge was not taken - the man accused me of it; there are so many linen-drapers in London, it is impossible to say where the gown was bought; the piece was bought; it was made up into a gown afterwards.

COURT. Q. When was this transaction? A. I cannot say whether it was in 1826 or 1827.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was the bundle opened? A. The bundle was opened in the compter in my presence - I cannot say who opened it, whether I opened it myself or anybody else - I cannot say whether I had the watch in my fob or in the bundle.

Q. Or whether you had another watch in your fob? A. That I don't recollect - I bought it at Atwell's in my own name; I gave five guineas for it - the watch produced at the compter was metal, having the name of Atwell, Uxbridge, on it - it was my wife's watch; my own watch at that time was in pledge - I was then living in Little Charlotte-street; I mean at the time I was charged, not when I bought the watch - I had left London - I was living at Rickmansworth, down at my sister's at the time; I was out of employ at the time - I had been living with my sister about a week or so before that; my wife was living in London in Little Charlotte-street - the charge was made in the middle of the day; I have seen the man since - I have got some more property from him which he had belonging to me in his possession - I met him accidentally in the street one day, and got his address from him; he had lived in the same house as we did.

Q. What business had he with your wife's gown and watch? A. That has nothing at all to do with this trial - he had got the property away from my wife; she told me so herself - I do not charge him with stealing it; it is impossible for me to say how he got it from her - I consider it an unfair question when it relates to a man's wife; I don't think it relates to this - I got the property lawfully by going into my wife's apartments, where she lived at the time - Booth was living in the same house as we were - I came up to London from Rickmansworth to fetch my wife down, and also the things which she had; and that is the plain truth of the matter and all the account I will give you of it - since I have been in the police, there has been no charge of intemperate conduct against me, nor has there been any report against me of any description - I never answered to any charge, and if there had been one I should have answered it - I never acted intemperately in the street; I was put on what is called house-duty - I was a turnkey in St. James's watch-house; that was not in consequence of any intemperate conduct out of doors - there was no complaint of my having misconducted myself.

Q. Now, I think you said, as you advanced, down Grays-inn-lane, and turned into Calthorpe-street, you saw the prisoner with the flag? A. I did; that is the

way he held the flag (here the Counsel held it up) - it was not furled round, but hung so that the blues and stars and all were plain to be seen - Brooke was in advance of our division, and nearer to the man who carried the flag; (here the witness described the position in which the flag was held) - he held the flag so that the whole was plainly to be seen; the star and blue and all were sufficiently seen for any one to understand what the colours were - I was not in Court when Brooke was examined; I was of the same sub-division as Brooke - as near as I can guess our sub-division consisted of from twenty-two to twenty-six; there were not so many as thirty, I am certain - in the whole there was more than forty - I don't remember their being paraded in the riding-school.

COURT. A. Do you mean the whole sub-division under Brooke's command amounted to twenty-six? A. Yes, not more; they were divided into sections - two sections formed a subdivision.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was the subdivision to which you were attached, or the section of it, paraded in the riding-house? A. There was no parading, we were all in there - it was Dawson's riding-house; I suppose there were from three hundred to four hundred there of different divisions - we were not paraded nor examined by any officer in the riding-school - we were not paraded to ascertain whether we had our staves, but we were all called on and formed into a line to go into Calthorpe-street; their staves were not in their hands in the riding-house - we have a piece of string or whip-cord affixed to our truncheons to hold them, so that we should not lose them - we were the first subdivision that came out of Dawson's stables, and we were the first subdivision that advanced into Calthorpe-street from Gray's-inn-lane - I know nothing about any other divisions being stationed at different parts to command the other end of the street; there was no other division in Calthorpe-street that I know of, except those who came from Dawson's riding-house, when we left the riding house, as we passed, the gate Superintendent Baker gave the order to draw our staves - Brooke was then in front of us; he had his staff in his hand - whether he drew it then or had it drawn before, I cannot say; the furthest distance he was away from us was about three paces - I saw none of the populace till I got into Calthorpe-street - some were standing at the corner of Calthorpe-street, and the people came rushing down - there were people at the corner.

Q. Were there any people in Gray's-inn-lane? A. At the time we went there, there were a few at the corner of Calthorpe-street and Gray's-inn-lane.

Q. How many? A. There might be forty standing on the pavement - they did not interfere with us - not in Gray's-inn-lane.

Q. Did the men, when told to draw their staves, spit in their hands and say, Now for it? A. No, they did not - there was no one in my presence said so; I did not, on my oath, see anybody spit in their hands, in order to grasp their staves the stronger - I am positive I did not do so myself - when we got to Calthorpe-street - I could see right down Calthorpe-street into the fields; the open ground is immediately at the bottom of Calthorpe-street, and is terminated by the prison wall - I could not see the end of the prison wall - I could see the prison wall - I could see the paling at times, and at times I could not; as we advanced down Calthorpe-street we were about twelve or thirteen abreast, and we were in the middle of the road - I heard hooting, and shouting, and brickbats were flying - I saw some bricks and stones; I suppose there might be about a dozen flying - I don't know whether there was six of each; if I had known you had requested it I would have counted them for you - there were no cries that I heard further than the shouting of the mob, as we went down Calthorpe-street - the mob came down from the fields, down Calthorpe-street, towards Gray's-inn-lane - about two hundred came down the street.

Q. Did they come pretty fast? A. Those that came on the pavement did, they came out of the fields as fast as they could come - I don't know whether that was the place where the meeting was to be held, because I was not on the ground - the meeting was dispersed at that time, when the people came down Calthorpe-street, towards Gray's-inn-lane they were pursued by no police that I know of, they were not by ours.

Q. Did you not see one body of the police coming from the fields, driving them in that way, and you stood thirteen abreast, so that they could not come your way? A. I did not see them, nor was I aware of any police being at the other end - I was in Calthorpe-street from five to six minutes - the people separated themselves on seeing us, and got out of the way - it was our business to advance up and disperse them, and also to keep the people quiet; of course it was our business to keep in our ranks till we received orders to the contrary, unless we saw a breach of the peace - Fursey was waving the flag, and heading the others; he had the flag in his hand; he passed Brooke first; he was nearest to Brooke when I rushed forwards to seize him.

Q. Must Brooke have seen him wave the flag? A. I know nothing about that - he was waving the flag and urging the people to come on.

Q. Did not he say, "Come on my boys?" A. I don't say that - I could hear him shouting something - I was examined before the Coroner - I am positive I told the Coroner that I heard Brooke cry out "Oh!" - that was after I left the rank; I had not advanced above one step when I heard it - I did not receive any order to advance - I was in the front line.

Q. When before the Coroner, did you tell him the man Fursey raised his arm as if to strike, and then you hit him somewhere on the head with your staff? A. No, I did not; I have told you so now - I did not strike him till he struck me with the dagger or instrument.

Q. Why omit to state that before the Coroner? A. I cannot say any thing about that - it has not come into my memory on a sudden; I was sworn to state the statement before the Coroner, and did so - I was sworn to tell all I knew, and I told all I knew before the Coroner, except striking him - on my oath, I did not purposely conceal that from the Coroner; if I intended to conceal it I should conceal it now - I did not state it there, nor at Bow-street, because I thought there was sufficient evidence without that.

Q. Then you did recollect it? A. I knew of it, certainly - it I had not omitted it, I should have said it;

I omitted it because I thought there was sufficient evidence without, as I said before.

Q. If you thought there was sufficient evidence without when before the Coroner, and at Bow-street, why did you not omit it to-day, if there was sufficient evidence without? A. Because I am bound to speak the whole of the statement, and that was not required of me there- it was not asked me - I was sworn, but I was not asked, whether I struck him or not. - I was sworn to speak the whole truth.

Q. And is it not part of the truth, that you struck the man? A. After he stabbed me - I state it now because I am to state here the whole particulars - I have not stated the whole particulars before - I did not suppress it to prevent any body from knowing that I had used violence - it was before I got to the man with the colour that Brooke cried "Oh;" and I was one step in advance of the rank when I heard it - I saw the flag, and my intent was to take the flag from the prisoner - I did not see any persons in Calthorpe-street lying on the ground wounded - I was advancing up the street; my intention was to take the prisoner into custody; I was not to see who was lying down in the street, or who was standing up; I heard no cries for assistance - I heard shouting - the prisoner came from the right hand corner of Calthorpe-street, to about the middle of the street; he was not alone, there were several with him, he was at the head of them; there were two hundred or three hundred, some in the middle of the street, and some on the pavement - those who came down the street escaped, and the ringleaders are what we apprehended - after the prisoner was apprehended, I told the superintendant I was wounded; he told me to go and get the wound dressed - I was told the prisoner was taken to Dawson's stables; and I went there, but found nobody except the woman who lives there - I went from there down to Burbridge's stables, where the prisoner was - he was in the coach-house at the time I went in - I went to that coach-house two or three times, I cannot say it was not six times, it could not exceed half-a-dozen - there were other persons there besides the prisoner, from fourteen to eighteen - the first time I went in I recognised the prisoner from the rest, and afterwards came out and gave his name - the superintendent requested me to search him, which I was unable to do; I cannot say who it was I gave his name to; it was to one of the officers of the A division; I don't know whether he is here - I do not know a man named Popay; I don't know such a person in the police; there are many I don't know - I can't say whether I saw a man there in plain clothes and white hat, there might have been many, I did not see one - I am not aware that any of the division or subdivision to which I belong are members of the Trades' Union, nor any of the police that I am aware of - I do not know of any of them being directed to enrol themselves members of the Trades' Union, nor of any other Union - I know nothing of Popay; I believe there were some of the police on the ground in plain clothes that day, I know there were some - I know they were sent there in their plain clothes, but I cannot say whether by the superintendent or by the commissioners - I did not hear them ordered to go.

Q. How do you know they were sent there? A. Because I saw them there, and know they were there - I only know I saw them there - on meetings of any description there are persons sent in plain clothes - I saw them there, and they came into the yard, after the meeting was over - I was not at the meeting myself; how is it possible to distinguish them among a mob - I saw them come into the yard where we were, and I saw one in Calthorpe-street.

Q. Have you not sworn you saw several of them at the meeting? A. At the meeting, and attending the meeting, are two different things; I said I could see the prison wall before me - I saw one of the police in plain clothes in Calthorpe-street; I saw him by coming up and speaking to us - I did not see him till then, that was just as I took hold of the prisoner; it is impossible for me to say his name - I know he was a policeman, because he told me so, and he had a staff in his hand - some of my own division were there in plain clothes, Farrant and Hobbs, Stone and Harwood - I know no more, they are all that I saw that belonged to our division; none of them are here to-day that I know of- I cannot say where they were, they were there; I saw them in Burbridge's yard - I believe the back of the yard is at the back of the field where the meeting was; it is not open to the field - of course they had all got staves, every one goes out with his staff; no constable goes out without his authority, whether he has regimentals or not - we none of us carried arms that day, except staves; I saw none at all - I saw a pistol which was found in the stable afterwards - I did not see Mr. Thomas, the superintendent with any arms - every superintendent had the command of his own division and Colonel Rowan, I believe, commanded all the divisions - there was no general-officer or soldier there, that I know of - I saw no orderly men there to ride from the spot to the Horse-guards; I did not see Colonel de Roos at the inquest that I know of - I don't know him; none of our division as we advanced, either by accident or otherwise, hurt any body, or broke any body's head that I saw - I did not see any of the subdivision break any body's head - I heard no cries; nothing but the shouts - I have said my object was to take the prisoner - if I had paid attention I might have heard cries, but my object was to take the prisoner; I cannot say whether there were any cries of wounded persons - Compton and Holland are both here; they are both policemen, and were in uniform, the same as me - nobody was sent out to command the police who where in plain clothes that I know of; they had the same means to act improperly as anybody else - I did not state at Bow-street, that a man named Coltman, a baker, was heading the mob in Calthorpe-street, nor anywhere else.

JURY. Q. If I understand you correctly, your division was divided into two sections; does the number twenty-six apply to your division alone, or each section? A. There were twenty-six in the two sections together; I think fourteen in one, and twelve in another - I did not see Brooke use any act of violence before I heard him cry Oh! nor raise his staff.

JAMES COMPTON . I belong to the C division. On the 13th of May, I was in Calthorpe-street; I was close to Redwood when he was stabbed; I did not see him stabbed

- he said he was stabbed - he had hold of the prisoner - he called to somebody to take hold of the prisoner, and I and another constable, named Holland, took him, and took him to the White Horse livery stables, Gray's-inn-road,(Mr. Burbridge's).

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Was there another policeman with you? A. Yes; a man named Holland - we both went together - there was a scuffle between the prisoner and Redwood; that was the only scuffle; the prisoner went very quietly with us - I can't say what scuffling there might have been when I was away; there was scuffling when I was there, between Redwood and the prisoner, and between several in different parts of the street; there was a disturbance - I cannot swear whether the people were fighting with each other, or with the police - of course it was between the police and the people - I did not rightly understand you when I said I could not say whether the police were scuffling with the people, or the people with each other; I did not rightly understand the question - I certainly understand you - I certainly did say so, but it was in the flurry of the moment - the scuffling was between the people and the police, the police were trying to disperse them - the police were trying to disperse the people, by telling them to go away - I mean to swear that; I cannot answer for what they might do in another part.

Q. Do you mean to swear that nothing passed but the police telling them to go away? A. Certainly there were blows struck on both sides; I mean to swear that.

Q. What weapons had the people that you saw them strike with? A. Why, there were stones thrown, and there was a short stick, about five or six inches long, loaded with lead, and they hit one man on the chin with it - I had the stick in my hand after the prisoner was taken to the stable - it was taken from some prisoner - I did not see it taken from a prisoner - I saw one man strike with it after I left the prisoner in the stables - I saw scuffling between the people and the police before I took the prisoner to the stables - I don't say I saw the blow given with the stick then - before I went to the stables I saw scuffling between the people and police - I saw the people with sticks, and there was some long staves, about four or five, or three or four - I did not see the police striking right and left - I saw them striking the people with their staves - I cannot form any idea how many were in action at that time - I belong to the same division as Redwood and Brooke - I took Fursey when the scuffling was ensuing - the scuffling was going on at the time I took him to the stables.

Q. Before Redwood said he was stabbed - was the scuffling going on? A. Yes; the prisoner and Redwood were wrestling together.

Q. At the time you heard Redwood say he was stabbed was the scuffling going on with sticks and truncheons? A. The constables were dispersing the mob, of course, with their staves - I staid in the stables with the prisoner about a minute and a half, or two minutes - I did not search him at that time to see if he had any weapon nor did my companion - there was nothing to prevent our doing so.

Q. As you had a colleague with you, and heard Redwood say he was stabbed, why not search the man, to find if there was a weapon about him? - you seem a sharp man, why not give an answer? A. I can't tell the reason - I must have forgotten it; I was as much in my senses then as I am now.

Q. Did you happen to give a flourish with your truncheon as you were going away? A. No; I had it out.

Q. In what state was the prisoner when you were taking him to the stables? A. He had received a blow; on which side of his head I can't tell, but the blood was running down his forehead - there was one prisoner in the stables when I took Fursey there, and some police constables; about three or four - we left them behind us; some of them are here to-day - there was nothing to prevent them from searching Fursey if they chose - I belong to the same division as Brooke; I went out with the division; I can't say how many Brooke commanded, I was not under his command, I was under Serjeant Ellerby - I heard no cries when the blows were given between the people and police - there was hallooing; I did not hear any screaming, as if the people were hurt - there was shouting - I cannot say I police halloo.

Q. How did you know it was from the people, and not from the police, that the hallooing came. A. There might have been some of the police hallooing - some of the police were in plain clothes that day - I don't know Popay - I believe there was one or two of my division in plain clothes - I can't tell who they were - there was not above, (I believe,) two of my division in plain clothes - they had their truncheons about them; I did not see them, but they mostly have orders to carry them with them - I saw them when we were in the livery stable-yard - it was not when I took the prisoner, it was afterwards that I saw them - it was a stable we took the prisoner to; I left him, but he was removed from that to a coach-house; I saw him afterwards in the coach-house - I don't know whether the other person in the stable was wounded; he was not moaning as if wounded; he was standing up - I don't know his name.

Q. You never heard Popay's name, I suppose? A. I have heard his name outside to-day, and that is all I have heard of him - I was not at the inquest - our division was not paraded, it was drawn up in a line - we were ordered to draw our truncheons when we came out; I can't say who gave the order; it was as we were in the road - I don't believe there was above one hundred of our division.

Q. Will you swear there was not upwards of fifteen hundred policemen assembled altogether all round the place? A. I was in Calthorpe-street; it was impossible for me to see what was in Bagnigge-wells-road, and other places; there might be two hundred in Burbridge's stables after the meeting was over; there were about three hundred, I suppose, in the riding-house before we started - it was in Gray's-inn-lane we were ordered to draw our truncheons, and they drew them as they were desired - none of us had been struck at that time, to my knowledge.

Q. You carried your truncheons in your right hand resting on your left arms? A. I don't know, I carried mine in my right hand (holding it straight up).

Q. How many persons did you see wounded in Calthorpe-street, before you took the prisoner you saw blows struck on both sides? A. I never heard of one person being wounded till after I returned from taking the prisoner to the stables, and then I heard of Serjeant Brooke being wounded.

Q. About how many persons did you see wounded when you were passing on to the stables? A. The prisoner was the only one I saw with a cut over his head; I did not see any wounded, nor crying out from their wounds; I did not hear of anybody else but Serjeant Brooke being wounded.

Q. None of the people's heads being broken? A. I did not see any, I heard there was such things; I did not see any men and women struck; I must have seen a thing of that sort if it had been in Calthorpe-street where I was, when I was there - I left Calthorpe-street about half-past four or four o'clock, after it was over - I was in Calthorpe-street a little after three o'clock, after returning from the stable - I did not see any one wounded from that time till half-past four o'clock.

Q. And you said, if any one had been wounded while you were there, you must have seen it; do you mean to represent that, from half-past three to half-past four o'clock? A. I do.

MR. GURNEY. Q. How long had you been in Calthorpe-street before you took the prisoner? A. I took him a little after three o'clock, we had been there two or three minutes, hardly three minutes - after taking him in custody, I took him down to Burbridge's stables; I took him there at once, and after that returned - I was at the stables about two minutes, and I remained about an hour after I came back from the stables.

HENRY HOLLAND . I am a policeman belonging to the C division - I was on duty in Calthorpe-street on the 13th of May - I was close against Redwood when he had the prisoner - I saw him with the prisoner, and heard him say he was stabbed - Redwood had hold of him himself, and he told me to hold him fast, for he said He has stabbed me in the arm - I laid hold of him - Compton came up at the same time - I took him into the stables in White Horse-yard, Gray's-inn-road, with Compton.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. I believe it never occurred to you to search him till after you had left him there some time? A. It did not, Redwood had told me he was stabbed; I saw no weapon about him; the weapon might have been in his pocket for aught I know.

Q. You did not take the trouble to see? A. No; I might have done so if I liked, but thinking Redwood was following down, I did not know whether Redwood would search him or not - there was one person as a prisoner in the stables where we put him; I don't know his name; he was there before I put Fursey there, and a police-constable was there keeping the door; we took him into the further part of the stable; nobody else was in the place; I placed him in the stable myself, in the lower part of the stable - there could not be three or four persons there without my seeing them - there was not three or four police-constables in the stable; there was one police-constable there and nobody else; there could not have been three or four police-constables inside - I have not heard Compton examined; I was under Sergeant Harris; I got to the riding house at one o'clock, or half-past one - I was not examined there to see if I had all my accoutrements about me - I went there from Marlborough-street; I was at Dawson's; I should think there were about two-hundred there; I heard of only two meeting places for the police-constables - fifteen or sixteen hundred policemen could not have been put in two places; I don't know how many men were out that day, our division produced their staves about three o'clock, when we were called out of the riding-house - when we were called out and came into Gray's-inn-lane I did not see any disturbance any where; there were a great many persons in Gray's-inn-road; they were quite harmless and peaceable for what I saw; we were there to disperse them if there was a row.

Q. Were the people peaceable after you produced your staves? A. I saw nothing to the contrary; as we went along they certainly never interfered - I had my truncheon in my hand; I did not see Brooke; he was in advance of me; I was in the rear - I cannot say how many divisions had advanced before our column came up; the C division was the first that came out, and they were divided into five subdivisions, I believe - I don't know exactly; I cannot say how many each subdivision contained; there might be six subdivisions; I cannot say - the divisions are marked by letters A, B, and C, &c. I don't know how many letters there were in the riding-house - there is a string round our truncheons; I don't know whether our truncheons are made of box-wood; they are no doubt capable of breaking a man's head - the people did not offer the slightest molestation as we passed down Gray's-inn-lane, not till we got into Calthorpe-street.

Q. Were you called out, do you know, because a row had began or because one was expected? A. I cannot say; we were called on to quell a row; I imagine that one had commenced - as I went into Calthorpe-street I saw no broken heads, nor heard any cries; I saw no fight; I saw a great number of people - I saw no stones or brickbats flying; we followed at the same time as Brooke - I was looking about to see if there was any mischief. I did not hear of our division breaking anybody's heads - I heard of one of the C division being struck in the eye with a stone; I saw none of the people injured; I saw no fighting in Calthorpe-street.

Q. Perhaps none had commenced when you came up? A. I did not see any; I heard no shouts of murder, nor saw sticks, staves, or bricks flying, nor any sound of sticks and staves going against each other; nor any appearance of fighting at all - we were not molested by anybody from first to last; there was more of the mob than police in Calthorpe-street; they did not offer us any harm; I did not see them offer the slightest molestation to anybody, except in words - the words came from the mob.

Q. How do you know that, because they were in plain clothes? A. It was.

Q. But some of the police were in plain clothes; they could kick up a row as well as anybody else; how do you know that part of the mob were not policemen in plain clothes? A. I cannot say.

Q. I ask you whether the great body of the people did not divide themselves in Calthorpe-street, on each side of the way to let you pass, in order to get rid of you? A. Yes, they did; I did not hear a cry of "The police are coming, make way."

Q. Am I right in supposing you have said, you saw them immediately at your approach divide themselves on each side of the way, while you filled up the high road, and passed along? A. Yes; I did not see or hear of any riot or disturbance in Calthorpe-street - I found no disturbance

except the prisoner; I saw no likelihood of any disturbance except that.

Q. How near were you to Compton? A. I was the first that took hold of the prisoner; Compton was close by me; he remained close by me, while I walked up; he had the same opportunity of observing what passed as I had.

Q. Do you think brick-bats and stones could be flying and he see it, and you not? A. I saw none; I don't know the house of Mr. Stallwood; I know the northern house at the corner of Calthorpe-street, on the left hand side nearest to the field - the hustings or railing where one of the persons had spoken were down at the bottom part of the field - I should think nobody could have a better view of the field than a person from the balcony of that house.

Q. On your oath did not the space resound with cries of shame, shame, while the police were knocking people down with their staves? A. There was that cry in the top part of the field, at a little after three o'clock; that was as soon as we got there - I believe that was after I had taken the prisoner; I cannot swear whether it was when I first went up into the street, or after I had taken Fursey to the stables, that I heard the cries of shame, shame; I really cannot say which.

Q. Don't you believe you heard those cries as soon as you got into Calthorpe-street from Gray's-inn-lane? A. I cannot say.

Q. On your oath were not the police at that end of the field knocking them down right and left? A. I was not at that end of the field till after the mob were dispersed - I saw no wounded people then; I saw nobody knocked down - I heard the cries of shame; I saw no fighting; I had no notion what the people were crying shame at.

Q. You did not go to see? A. I kept along with my division; I afterwards went to the coach-house, where the prisoners who were taken were put, and saw through the door sixteen or seventeen - the doors were shut at the time; I had no opportunity of seeing them except through the door.

Q. To the best of your recollection had not every one of them his head broken? A. I should think not - I don't know that any man's head was bleeding except the prisoner's; I could not see them to distinguish them perfectly - the door was shut, and I looked through the keyhole - I did not count them; I went out of curiosity; that was about four o'clock or afterwards, after it was all over - If a woman had been knocked down with a staff, and her head broken, while I was in Calthorpe-street, I might not have seen it - our directions were to disperse the people away as quietly as we possibly could.

Q. Then you were not to strike unless resistance was offered you? A. No; I saw nobody attacked - I don't know Popay; I never saw him to know him - I don't know how many policemen were in plain clothes there; I know of none except Harris, I believe of the K division; I am not certain of his name; he is a witness for the prosecution - I saw him in the White-horse-yard, nowhere else - I did not see him in the field, nor in Calthorpe-street; I don't know how he came there in plain clothes - I don't know of any policemen being members of any unions of trades; none of our division or subdivision are so I believe - I know Sergeant Dean, he is in the corps now - I don't know a man of that name who is not now in the corps.

MR. GURNEY. Q. Before you heard Redwood say he was stabbed did you see any blows struck by the police? A. I did not.

WILLIAM HALES . On the 13th of May I was a police constable - I was stationed in Mr. Burbridge's livery stables, Gray's-inn-lane - I remained there when the other officers left the stables; I recollect the prisoner being brought to the stables; I cannot exactly say who brought him, but it was by two police-constables in uniform - two others were brought about the same time, named Tilley; they were in the yard all at one time, brought out of Gray's-inn-lane - I had been in the stable; and taken a truss of straw into one of the stalls for the purpose of sitting down on; I sat down on it; I was not sitting on it when the prisoner and Tilleys were brought in - I was standing at the door then; I had been sitting on it before that; I got up, it might be about ten minutes before that; when Fursey and Tilleys were brought to the stables they went to the further stall, to which I had taken the truss of straw, and on which I had been sitting - they sat themselves down on the litter, and leaned back against the truss of straw, which was near the manger - they remained in that stall about ten minutes or a quarter of an hour; they were then taken out and put into a coach-house - about ten minutes after the prisoners were taken out I observed part of a book in the stall, which seemed to me to be a penny publication, it was laying on the litter - I went into the stall and turned the truss of straw over; I pulled it over towards me, and there I found a dagger, and pistol, and powder flask - I had not seen them there when I placed the straw there; it was light enough for me to have seen them if they had been there; I think it is impossible they could have been there without my observing them - there had not been any one in the stall from the time I put the straw down till I found the dagger, and pistol, and flask, except Fursey and the two Tilleys - not to go to the manger - I have the dagger (producing it).

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Would it not be rather difficult for a man who was seized to secrete that so long without being observed, he being taken in the act of stabbing - don't it strike you as difficult for a man to conceal it in his pocket at a moment - do you think you could do it? A. No.

Q. Why did you not search the prisoner when he was brought in? A. I had nothing to do with him, except to take charge of him - there was nothing to my knowledge, to prevent the policemen who brought him in from searching him.

Q. Was there anybody in there before the prisoner was brought in? A. Yes it is my firm belief there was a person sitting in a chair - it was not my duty to keep the door - there was a police-constable in uniform there besides me - I was not in uniform - I don't know that the police-constable is here who was to keep the door; I saw him there; I don't think I should know him if I saw him - I am not able to say his letter and number - I was just inside the door when the prisoner was brought in - to the best of my belief there was a person sitting on a chair there - it was light in the stable - the chair was under the window.

Q. Was there a person in it or not? A. I believe there was; to the best of my belief there was one; I have not a doubt of it - I was not aware that he was a prisoner; to the best of my belief there was one in the chair, but I cannot say positively.

Q. Was there a person seated on the chair? A. There was such a bustle, just at the time, it is impossible to say - I saw the chair, there was nobody in it when I looked particularly at it the last time - there was no person sitting in it the first time I looked; there was a police-constable sitting in it afterwards - it was before the riot or row began that I saw the policeman sitting in it - he went out, all of them went out after the riot began - I cannot say whether any body sat in the chair after that; it was a man who was sitting in the chair - I cannot swear positively that there was a prisoner brought in before Fursey - if anybody was in the chair it must have been a man - I will not swear positively that anybody was in the chair - I brought the straw close from the side of the chair - it is about half a dozen yards from the chair to the stall.

Q. If it was so light that you could have discovered a dagger if it had been there could you help seeing a man, if he had been there? A. If I had thought to have looked if there was a man undoubtedly I could have seen him.

Q. Did you give it a thought to look for a dagger, when you put the straw down? A. No; it was impossible for it to be there, with the powder flask and pistol, without my seeing it - a man might have been there without my taking particular notice of him.

COURT. Q. Can you say whether the chair was empty or not? A. I did not take particular notice.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Did you not say you took the straw up from close by the side of the chair? A. That was an hour before the prisoner was brought in - a police-constable was sitting there then - they all went out, leaving me and another in the stable - I had orders not to leave the yard.

COURT. Q. What was the situation of the chair an hour before? A. Several police-constables were sitting in it.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Did not they leave it, and leave you behind? A. When the row began; they did not leave me alone in the stable, because I walked out to the door at the same time as they did - I went back again certainly, I never left the stable door - it was when I went in the first time, at one o'clock, that I took the truss of straw - there was people in when I first went in.

Q. Was there not a prisoner there, on your oath? A. If I was certain there was I would say, Yes; but I am not certain - I did not take notice till Fursey was brought in; I found when Fursey was brought in that there was one there, because I heard what was said - two police constables brought in Fursey, and two others were brought in at the same time - and there was five or six very shortly after - I cannot say whether there was a prisoner there before Fursey and the Tilleys were brought in, to the best of my belief there was - I don't know whether the man who minded the door is here - the door was not closed; it was not guarded particularly; we just stood at the door to see that they did not go out.

Q. Was not he stationed there to see that nobody went in or out without his knowledge? A. I am not able to say - I found this sheath that I have on the dagger, it was in the sheath when I found it; he must either have sheathed it in the stable, or before he came there - I believe the prisoner was searched at last, I was not present - it was loose straw for horses to lay on, that I put the truss on - the dagger is in the same state as I found it, except that I put a mark upon it; it was as bright as it is now when I found it - I was not in Calthorpe-street; I was not there as a looker-on.

Q. How came you to go in disguise, and not in uniform? A. I was there to go for my own division, in case they were wanted - my superior ordered me to go in plain clothes, his name is Murray - I had my trucheon with me - I saw other officers there in plain clothes, it is impossible for me te say how many - twenty, or there might be more or less, I cannot say; there was several standing about in different places - I did not go out of the yard till after it was over? six or seven persons were brought into the stables afterwards; I did not see any one wounded but Fursey, nor any marks of wounds - Fursey had a handkerchief bound round his head, he had a hat on - I could see the handkerchief not with standing the hat - I don't know the name of the person who searched Fursey - no reason was given to me for my going in plain clothes - there was a numerous body of policemen about the place; some hundreds - my truncheon was to defend myself.

Q. You took it suspecting that being in coloured clothes you might be attacked? A. Yes; very likely - and if I saw a necessity, to help my brother constables - I did not use it that day; I saw no necessity - I was at the inquest; I did not see Popay among the persons in coloured clothes- I did not know him; I have seen him here to-day; I cannot say that I ever saw him before - I never saw him dressed as a policeman to my knowledge - P is Popay's letter, I don't know his number.

Q. How do you know his letter if you don't know him to be in the police? A. I know he is in the police - I have never seen him in the police, but I have seen an account of him in the papers, and heard of him - I spoke to him to-day; I asked him if he was still in the police, and he said Yes.

MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL. Q. How long, according to your best recollection, do you think Fursey was in the stall? A. From ten minutes to a quarter of an hour, to the best of my recollection - Tilleys and he went into the stall together - nobody had been into the stall to sit down in the stall after I put the truss down - from the time Fursey and the Tilleys were removed, until I went and found the dagger, pistol, and powder-flask, nobody had been in the tall.

COURT. Q. How long passed from the time you went out of the stall till the prisoner and the Tilleys were brought there? A. Not above ten minutes altogether; it might have been an hour after I had brought the straw in there, because I sat down some time myself.

JOHN BROOKE re-examined. Q. You observed in the hand of Fursey a dagger with a brass handle, look at that? A. It was a dagger something like this; I cannot swear to this being the one, it was one similar to that.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. What kind of a coat had Fursey on? A. A different one to what he has now; it was a ragged coat - it was a ragged sort of coat to the best of my knowledge - it was a coat of the same make as he has on now - I don't know whether the person is here who searched Fursey.

MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL. Q. Do you know of his having been searched? A. I do not - the dress that Fursey has on now is not the dress he wore then - the prisoner at the bar struck me with a dagger similar to that which is now lying on the table.

COURT. Q. Did you observe at that time the prisoner's head or face, to see whether there was any mark of blood on him? A. At the time I was struck I saw no blood on any man - his head was not bloody at that time.

HENRY CHANCE REDWOOD re-examined. Q. You observed a dagger with a brass handle in Fursey's hand, look at that? A. This is the length of the blade, but I cannot swear whether it is the instrument or not; it was a blade similar to this in length.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Since you were last examined, have you come to your recollection what were the other things in the bundle which the man wanted to get from you? A. I have not troubled myself to recollect.

WILLIAM FISHER . I am a surgeon. I examined the wound of John Brooke on the 13th of May, about eleven o'clock at night; it was over the sixth rib, on the left-side - it was inflicted by a pointed instrument a little triangular - I probed it; the point of the probe stuck in the rib; proving that the blow must have been given with some violence - in all probability, if the instrument had not been met by the rib, it would have passed through the heart - such an instrument as this would produce the wound - I examined Redwood on the following morning, the 14th, he had a wound in the left arm; a triangular wound about four inches in depth - that was precisely such a wound as would be inflicted by such an instrument.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Are you a surgeon to the Metropolitan Police force? A. I am the superintendent surgeon.

COURT. Q. If the instrument had gone into the heart, would it have been fatal? A. In all probability.

Prisoner's Defence (written). My Lord and Gentlemen:- I am so overpowered by my situation and the fatigue I have undergone, being in ill health, that I feel incapable of making such a defence in the way of address to you, as my case would admit of, therefore I prefer submitting to your better judgment from the mouths of my witnesses, a full statement of my case; from which I have no doubt, you will see just reason to conclude that the aggressors throughout were the police-constables, whose conduct from beginning to end, I am sure, will turn out to have been wanton, brutal and savage; and but for their misconduct, no riot or disturbance whatever, would have taken place. My life is in your hands, Gentlemen, I am sure you will do justice between me and my prosecutors.

NATHANIEL STALLWOOD . I am a gentleman living on my fortune, my residence is No. 13, Calthorpe-street. I remember the 13th of May, the day the meeting was intended to be held in Spa-fields; my house is the corner house, the north-east corner of the street - it commands a view of the field in which the meeting was to be held; of Calthorpe-street, of the Union public-house, and all the avenues leading to it - on that day I took my station at the balcony of my house rather before three, say half-past two; I observed the police make their first appearance - there was no disturbance whatever up to that time, nor any disposition to it.

Q. Where did you observe the first appearance of the police, in what position? A. They came up in a body up Calthorpe-street, the first division; occupying the whole of the carriage and footways; they came from Gray's-inn-lane - I had let some stables to a Mr. Burbridge; he calls them the White Horse livery stables - I observed some of the police come out of those stables; they went out of the eastern gate into Gough-street.

Q. Is a considerable portion of Spa-fields bounded on the eastern side, by the prison-wall? A. It is not Spafields, it is the Calthorpe estate; the east side is bounded by the prison-wall; Gough-street, and Calthorpe-street, are two avenues leading to the west from the Calthorpe estate; outlets through which a multitude might go through westward - the first body of police that came into Calthorpe-street, halted directly opposite my house - I observed a chairman and railings in the meeting; they halted within about sixty feet of where the chairman was - the body who proceeded into Gough-street, halted at the corner of Collingridge's-buildings, which was about forty-five feet off the chairman - when these two bodies had both halted, the body in Gough-street were ordered to draw their staves out of their pockets; the other body drew their staves at the same time, they observing that all the avenues were first stopped up by bodies of the police - I should conceive the police force in my view, consisted of seven or eight hundred - it was a few minutes after three when the bodies were all formed - when the staves of both bodies were drawn, the order was given to the Gough-street body to charge - I distinctly heard the word Charge - up to the time that I heard the word Charge, everything was peaceable on the part of the people - on that order being given, the police bodies charged immediately, making for the chairman, knocking down everybody indiscriminately that they met with.

COURT. Q. What, the Gough-street body? A. The two bodies - one coming one way and another the other.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Now, Mr. Stallwood, your being in that commanding situation, was there, up to that moment, either order to disperse, or Riot Act or Proclamation read? A. None whatever.

Q. What was the consequence of the charge that the two bodies made? A. The ground was strewed immediately with bodies of every description, men, women, and children - I saw that, and after it had continued some time, my blood boiled in my veins, and I addressed the police force.

COURT. Q. What division was it you addressed? A. I addressed them both; it was the last division - I addressed the C division, with Mr. Thomas at their head - that was the division that came up Calthorpe-street.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. How long before that had you been in your balcony? A. Half an hour or more, and during that time there was no disturbance whatever, or breach of the peace, till the police came into Calthorpe-street - I stated to the C division, that as the Riot Act had not been read, nor the Proclamation for the people to disperse, I begged of them, if the people had done wrong to take them into custody, and not knock them down - I had occasion to go down stairs with two ladies who had been at my house, and had a carriage waiting for them, and they got off as fast as they could - I saw some women and children at the different doors in Calthorpe-street, as well as men, and some of them were beaten, boys' heads were broken, and

one woman was so beaten in the field, that two gentlemen went out of my house to rescue her - two gentlemen of the press - Mr. Courtney was one of them.

Q. You have said this affair began a few minutes after three o'clock, how long did this outrage continue in the street? A. An hour and a half before they cleared the premises, and that would bring it to about half-past four o'clock - I sat down to dinner at five o'clock - while this was going on, and I was at my balcony; the inhabitants shouted out of their windows, "shame, shame" - one of my daughters fainted at the sight; Mr. Courtney was very much affected, and another gentleman with him - I was examined at the inquest - I could not single out particular individuals in the confusion.

Q. Now, from the time the word charge was given and obeyed, did the police force appear to be under any control whatever? A. None whatever; I thought they were rather intoxicated.

Cross-examined by MR. SOLICITOR GENERAL. Q. Were you ever a Justice of the Peace to the county of Middlesex? A. I was; I think I was nominated in July, 1831 - I continued so three or four months - I have since that ceased to be a magistrate - I made application to the Duke of Portland and the Lord Chancellor to know why, and they refused to inform me - I was superseded in the commission from the representation, I believe, of the select vestry of Pancras, which I have opposed for twenty years - there was never any complaint made against me - there was never any complaint made against me to the select vestry.

Q. Were you ever a member of this select vestry? A. I am now; this is the second year that I have been so - I was not a member before that - I have been the means of overthrowing that vestry, and have been elected in their room - no complaint had been made about a payment of rates by a tenant of mine.

Q. Have you ever been tried? A. I was tried for a riot and assault on the corn question in 1815, and honourably acquitted.

Q. Is that the only time you have ever been tried? A. For a riot and assault - there was never any charge brought against me respecting an apprentice of mine - I never had an apprentice - I was tried in 1819 or 1820, at the Quarter Sessions for the county of Middlesex - the charge was, a boy named Jones, came with a horse and cart, and threw a great quantity of bottles on my ground; I requested him to move them, he would not - I desired two men to compel him to move them, in doing which they threw him off a horse - I was tried with two men and was convicted, and paid ten pounds to the prosecutor; I was at that time spending my private fortune in a building speculation - I was brought up as an architect and surveyor - I continued spending my private fortune in building speculations, till I made forty or fifty thousand pounds by it - I did not know there was to be a meeting on the Calthorpe estate, till the Sunday, when my groom informed me there was a proclamation on the prison walls, and I then went to read it - the thirteenth was on Monday - I did not consider it a proclamation, because it was not signed.

Q. Because it was not signed, did you consider it was to be disregarded? A. I did.

Q. Did it not caution persons against coming to the meeting on the following day? A. It cautioned persons from holding any illegal meeting.

Q. Did it not state, that the object was to adopt preparatory measures to form a national convention, as the only means of obtaining and securing the rights of the people, did it not state a public meeting held for such a purpose, would be dangerous to the public peace and illegal? A. I believe it did; if you will hand me the paper I will tell you whether it was what I read; - (copy handed to Witness) - this is a copy of what I saw on the wall - a copy of that was stuck against the wall of Coldbath-fields prison, and is there now, and was there on the 13th of May.

Q. You thought this not being signed was to be disregarded? A. I did, as it does not specify what Secretary of State.

Q. Perhaps you thought there would be nothing illegal in such a meeting? A. I never considered the question at all, because there was a meeting held by Mr. O'Connell, with ten times the number, and the peace was not broken; I don't know what the object of that meeting was, they spoke for three or four hours and then went away - I did not know before the meeting assembled, that this object of it was to adopt preparatory measures for forming a National Convention - I looked at the paper, generally on the prison walls the day before - I have no doubt but I read the whole of it - I saw flags at the meeting - I saw a flag with death's head and cross bones, all the same flags were at the former meeting and more too - I did not read the words on the death and cross bones flag - I believe it had an inscription - I have no doubt it had - before the police came that flag was not flourished about, it was exhibited - the moment the flags came up the police attacked the body instanter - I think there was four flags - I do not recollect the inscription on any of them - I saw that flag - I think it is the flag - I did not observe the person who carried it to notice him particularly - I saw it unfurled - I do not think the person who had it in his hand waved it - I think he furled it as soon as he got to the chairman - it was unfurled all the way down the street - there was a caravan at the meeting half an hour before; there was not a stage erected; the boy who first proposed the chairman, got into the caravan, with the chairman; in the first place he was in a caravan, and the man belonging to the caravan, finding they would not pay him drove him away; he drove about thirty feet up Calthorpe-street, and then the boy Lee and the man jumped out of the caravan into the street, finding they were likely to be carried away - the boy Lee first climbed up the rails, and in a very impertinent manner, proposed Mr. Mee to be chairman - I did not mean to take any part in the proceedings; I despised the meeting altogether; he then put it to the vote, forty or fifty hands were held up, and he declared Mr. Mee to be the chairman - I was still at my balcony - I heard what the chairman said - he addressed the meeting, and requested them to be peaceable and quiet, for it was essentially desirous for their purpose to have peace and quietness, and that he was very much obliged to the Whig government for advertising their meeting, for it gave them an importance they did not possess; he there halted and was desired by the people to go on, he appealed to the people if they were prepared to sacrifice one-tenth of all their earnings to support his wife and family, if they were not he requested them not to tell him to go on, and at this time the police made their appearance - the flags had arrived just before, and were all four near the chairman - when the police came they tried to seize the flags - I think I observed

one of the flag-staffs had a spear head; I did not see the American flag taken by Redwood - I cannot at all recognise the prisoner - I have seen Brooke and Redwood here - I did not see either of them do anything that day - I cannot recognise any of them - there was two distinct divisions came down Calthorpe-street; one had commenced the attack, and the other came up afterwards; I addressed the last that came up of the C division, with Mr. Thomas at their head - I did not see one body station themselves about the middle of Calthorpe-street; they arranged themselves on one side of the pavement afterwards; I saw them about the middle of Calthorpe-street, the latter part of the day, not before the American flag was captured - I did not see any person carry the American flag across the street - I believe Thomas was at the head of the C division; it was the E or C I think it was the E - it was the division which he headed I addressed.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Did the divisions all join together? A. They did - I am sure the incursion of the police took place before the American flag was seized at all; I considered the proclamation not legal; I believe there are four or five principal Secretaries of State in the present government; Mee said they were puffed into importance by the Whig government, by that proclamation; I have seen puffs desiring people not to buy any thing on any account, and I considered them puffs to the people to buy them - I was made amagistrate by the present Lord Chancellor, and have been a reformer of the select vestry many years and continue so - I saw the American flag at a former meeting, when O'Connell was there - there was not the least row there, nor any police unless they were in plain clothes - I don't know whether that flag figured at Birmingham when the ministers were in some danger, it looks as if it had seen some service - I never saw a proclamation put out by the government of this country before, without the name of some Secretary of State to it, or being headed "By the King in Council" - the whole of the buildings about Calthorpe-street belong to me now; I built the whole of Calthorpe-street, it all belongs to me now except six houses, Gough-street, and Well-street, and the stables; also I have upwards of fifty thousand pounds there - I never saw the prisoner in my life, till this morning, to my knowledge.

Q. I observe this anonymous paper desires the civil authorities to apprehend any person offending - was what you saw on the part of the police an attempt to apprehend or knock them down? A. They began to knock them down, and did not attempt to apprehend until I addressed them; then they took persons into custody, but not till then - I saw no responsible person on the ground directing the police except Mr. Thomas; he rode there on horse-back.

Q. From what you saw of the meeting before the police rushed in, is it your opinion that half-a-dozen policemen would easily have prevented their meeting? A. If I had had half-a-dozen policemen, I would have taken every person without a blow - I beg to add there was not a brickbat thrown.

JAMES MICHAEL AUSTIN COURTNEY . I am a reporter to the Courier newspaper - I did not know of this meeting till the morning of the 13th of May, when our editor sent me to attend; I arrived on the ground before twelve o'clock, and found small collections of people on different parts of the ground, but nothing to indicate a meeting; the appearance of the field was precisely as I have seen it on other Mondays; there was servants about with children, and people playing; and there was a preacher addressing a small body of persons; there did not appear to me any disposition to create a riot, either then, or at any time that day - I went there to make a faithful report to my employer of what I saw; about half-past two o'clock or later, I saw the van come up, into which one of the speakers got - this was the commencement of the meeting - I think at the time the first speaker got into the van, there was about two thousand people - there were a great number of women and children, I mean boys and girls of thirteen and fourteen years old. I saw several boys beaten afterward.

Q. Did you see any disposition to riot when the chairman got into the van? A. None, I think the feeling of the multitude was ridicule, for when the van was drawn off, somebody said it was the police had drawn it off - then there was a shouting and laughing - I heard it proposed that Mr. Mee should take the chair, and immediately after Mee began to address the crowd - I found the pressure inconvenient, and a person said "We can go up to this balcony," and the gentleman allowed us; I could see to the bending in Guildford-street to the right, to Gough-street north and south, and over the whole field to the Union, my view commanded the whole of Calthorpe-street.

Q. Up to that time had any body of police come into Calthorpe-street? A. I did not see the police till I got into the balcony, but I heard Mee say "There are the police, I recommend that we send somebody to ask what they want." I heard that before we got into the balcony - there was not the slightest disposition to tumult - I saw some persons approach the hustings with flags - I was then at the hustings; it was before Mee took the chair - I think I saw the flag produced; it was on a pole floating and waving in the air; that is, the banner; it was afterward wound round the staff, and the chairman, I think, jumped out.

Q. Did you see the party attended by the banner, come towards the chairman? A. Yes; they came from Gray's-inn-lane - there was not any policemen on the ground then; at the moment the banners came down Calthorpe-street, the crowd increased very largely; but I don't know how many of the party marching in procession were abreast- I saw no disposition to tumult; the banner men were very loudly cheered - I think there were four with flags; they arranged themselves two on each side the chairman; one of them grasped his banner staff with his legs and arms, and the chairman put his hand round that staff. I was at the corner of Calthorpe-street and Gough-street, and the chairman was just the breadth of Gough-street from me - he was right in the centre opposite the middle of Calthorpe-street. I observed the person who carried the flag, but could not identify him - I think in going up to the chair three or four of the persons carrying the banners looked a little swaggering and triumphant - I don't think I had been in the balcony a second, when on turning round, I saw the police drawn up across the street and halting; they were about two-thirds the length of the street from the corner; they had advanced about one-third up the street - there was at the same moment in my view as I turned round, three other bodies of police, each of them completely blocking up

the avenues to which they approached - each blocked up its avenue.

Q. Did they surround the persons who were at the meeting? A. No; the four bodies completely inclosed the meeting, surrounding it; completely inclosing all the people at the meeting.

Q. Did you observe at that time where this flag stood? A. I cannot charge myself with remembering a particular flag - on the bodies of police advancing, the people fronting the chairman separated, part on each side, making a clear way for the police to come up to the hustings; that certainly appeared to be their object - the body of police in Calthorpe-street having halted about half a minute, proceeded to march, and as they went on, the end man of each rank pushed, thrust, and beat the people who were standing by them on the flag stones at a considerable distance from the meeting; all the end men did this as they advanced up the street; they just occupied Calthorpe-street from flag to flag - the people were crowded together - as soon as they began to march, they began to beat; and we on the balcony cried Shame! shame!

Q. Did you perceive over any part of the spot the meeting were dispersed, any act to provoke this? A. I think a crowd of policemen coming across from the Union might suppose the people were coming to attack them, as they were running from the other policemen; but they made no attack at all, and there was none.

COURT. Q. I understand you to say, the police were going up Calthorpe-street towards the chairman, the people who had cleared the way retired down the other side? A. No; I say the policemen at the end of the ranks struck those who were on the flag stones; but as they reached the chair in the centre of the crowd, and the police in North and South Gough-street did the same, before the party coming from the Union could be seen - and it struck me, the police might suppose the crowd running from that body of police, were advancing to attack them. I don't mean the Calthorpe-street body, they could not suppose any thing of the kind.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. What body might suppose the people were advancing to attack them? A. The body of police coming from the Union, (which is at the eastern end of the street coming from the wall,) might suppose so; the other bodies had no such pretence; neither the Calthorpe-street nor the Gough-street. I saw the Calthorpe-street party follow people who were running away, and knock them down; they struck them on the legs till they fell - they stuck them across the shins, not one, but dozens; they were not offending - they were running away; the police ran after them at full stretch and struck them across the shins till they escaped - I don't know when the police first got into Calthorpe street, but the moment I got into the balcony I saw them, and they were standing, it appeared to me they were waiting for a signal - there was no means left for the people to escape, till the police in beating them, broke their own line; and then the people rushed by them and great numbers got off. If the police had not wasted their strength by three or four beating one man lying on the ground, I don't think one of the crowd could have escaped without a blow. I saw three policemen strike one man repeated blows on the head till he fell; and I saw other men beaten on the ground after they fell, by several policemen - I saw two or three policemen as they passed the man, strike him as he lay on the ground - when the Calthorpe-street party came to the end of the street, a man who was standing in front of the division, and who two or three times addressed them as they marched on, rushed towards the chairman; the banners then stood on the rail at which the chairman stood, and the place was quite open to them - when they got to the end, the person in front rushed forward to take the chairman, and he was followed by a greater part of the others from the middle of the division; the four banners were by the chairman at that time - the man in front rushed forward as if to seize the chairman, and the others rushed after him. I did not see what followed, for my attention was attracted by two girls being dragged and shoved under the balcony, and one of them was pushed down with the baton, not absolutely struck with it - these two girls were on the steps of Mr. Stallwood's door, which have a gate in front of the railing - that gate was shut, and a crowd of persons inside - these two girls were in these, they had no caps or bonnets, and as I went into the house, I opened the gate and let them in there. I looked over the balcony and saw the policemen beating the people inside the gate; hitting them indiscriminately over their heads and shoulders; and as one of the girls rushed across the street, I saw the policeman shove her with his baton, as she fell; she was screaming out Mercy, mercy. I saw the struggle at the banner, but what was done I cannot say.

Q. Was that about the time the rush was made at the chairman? A. Yes; just at the time I saw Mee leap down and run away - I saw a scuffle between one of the police and the bannerman - I saw the banner open - immmediately after, I saw the girl run across the street a man who was running away was struck by three policemen successively; I called to them to let the man run; one of them looked up at me, called me an odlous name, and said"You shall catch it too."

Q. Did it appear to you that the crowd were desirous of remaining or escaping? A. Of escaping certainly - the conduct of the police seemed studiously to prevent their escape, I could have no doubt of it - there was no attack made on the police by word or deed till they commenced the attack; they struck the people over the head with their batons, with the full swing of the arm, as hard as they could; and they struck in that way over the crowds that were standing on the steps of the doors - I saw I should say from twenty to thirty persons laying on the ground, none of them were policemen - they were all wounded - I saw a number wounded - I saw the blood of many - at that time the crowd were endeavouring to escape - the police were beating them - the police were then as much scattered as the crowd was - they appeared under no control whatever, except the worst of passions - I saw two policemen striking a woman, that was after the banner was taken.

COURT. Confine yourself to what happened before that.

Witness. The girl was struck before the banner was taken.

Q. Did there appear any attack made on the people by the police before the banner was taken? A. Certainly I observed it a very short time before the banner was taken - less than a minute - it continued after the banner was taken, and it was then frightful and appalling - I went out

of Mr. Stallwood's house to rescue a woman who had been beaten.

Q. In your judgment from the time the chairman was first in the van, would there have been any difficulty in dispersing the meeting without violence? A. None in the world; they appeared quietly disposed from the commencement; the majority seemed indifferent as to whether a meeting was to be held or not, for I spoke to several.

MR. SOLICITOR GENERAL. Q. Were any of the people killed? A. I believe not; heads were broken and arms - since the meeting I have seen two or three persons whose arms were broken; I saw persons cut and laying on the ground senseless and bleeding - I have since seen two or three whose arms were broken that day - I know they applied to be examined at the inquest and were refused, for I made the application myself to the corner - I attended during the inquest except on the first day - I did not conduct the proceedings; I was sent for the paper to take the proceedings - and two or three days after when these persons were waiting outside I told the coroner two or three outside were wishing to be examined; they seemed exhausted with waiting - I did not see any placard calling the meeting - one colour was an American flag which has been produced; another had death's head and cross bones, and "death or liberty" on it; I don't remember the others - I did not see the procession, but the crowd was more than doubled immediately the banners came - there was a great cheering; I should infer that the mob had increased by the persons following the banners - I think all the four banners were unfurled; they were waved; the one with death's head and cross bones was waved; there was considerable cheering as the banners came up; I should not say it was particularly when that flag was waved; the four were placed right and left of the chairman.

Q. Did not the cheering continue after the flags were placed there? A. No, there was perfect silence; the persons carrying the flags appeared a little swaggering and triumphant as they marched up; they did not wave their banners at that time; they carried them; the banners were floating at that time; I cannot recognize the person who carried the American flag; I have seen the prisoner since but don't remember to have seen him; I have no recollection of Redwood, and cannot say I saw him do anything - when the police came into Calthorpe-street, they occupied the whole street, from flagging to flagging, but were not on the flag; and in Gough-street from wall to wall; I should say there would be one hundred and fifty in Calthorpe-street, they were in close order; I should say there were three ranks and each rank might contain from twenty to thirty men abreast, or more, but I cannot be certain of that- there could not be so little as thirteen - I should not hesitate to swear there was more than twenty or thirty abreast as far as I could conjecture - I mean in Calthorpe-street.

Q. Can you take on yourself to swear positively there was as many as twenty abreast? A. I swear positively to my belief there was more - I did not count them; there was as many as there could be - I believe there was more than twenty - I hesitate to swear it - I don't know that I have seen Brooke before - I have seen the prisoner two or three times since he was committed - I do not recognise having seen him on the 13th of May - I saw the American colour in Calthorpe-street, and the man who carried it.

Q. Had the flag with death's head and cross bones been taken before you saw the American flag in Calthorpe-street? A. No, the time I saw the flag and the man who carried it was when they were coming to the chair - at the time the police came into Calthorpe-street I saw the American flag at the railing - I did not see it in Calthorpe-street - I think I can swear I did not see it at any time in any part of the crowd except at the railing after the chairman took his place.

Q. If I understand then you are not able to speak to what took place when the flag was seized in Calthorpe-street? A. No, I saw a scuffle at the railing - I saw no scuffling for a flag, and don't know what took place then - I have called on the prisoner in Newgate three or four times since the last sessions, last week or the week before - I think, I called on him four or three times.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Did you know there was such a person in the world before this disturbance took place? A. No, the first time I saw him to my knowledge, was in Newgate.

Q. You are asked if you saw a scuffle in Calthorpe-street about the banner; do you believe there was any scuffle in Calthorpe-street with a banner at all? A. On my oath I do not; I was not looking about all the time for I left the balcony for a few minutes, because I was taken ill and near fainting; that was after the attempt to take the chairman into custody - every thing was in my sight till after the police were in complete possession of that piece of ground and Calthorpe-street - till after the uproar had comparatively subsided; if any banner had been captured in Calthorpe-street I must have seen it; I think the banners were all captured at the rails - there was no struggle for any banner in Calthorpe-street - I saw no banner removed from the side of the chairman till the police advanced and the meeting was broken up.

Q. Was it possible a man could have come across from the right corner of Calthorpe-street, into the middle of the street and there contest for the banner with a policeman, and a multitude at his heels, and you not see him? A. I should think it impossible - the whole scuffle for the banners took place at the rails - I could not distinguish one policeman from another; the incidents were too numerous to attend to the men.

Q. Did you observe this conduct to be the act of individuals of the police, or was it the act of the body? A. The acts of violence were certainly the acts of individuals, but it was impossible to distinguish one's brutality from another; they were all alike - I cannot say whether Redwood or Brooke were among them; they might or might not be - there was no disposition to riot or tumult as the banners came up, nor any act of violence on the part of the people - there could not be less than five or six hundred policemen in the four bodies.

MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL. Q. Did you see any policeman stabbed in Calthorpe-street? A. No; one might have been stabbed as it has been described, without my seeing it, or two - a dagger might have been used without my seeing it, and it appears it was done.

REVEREND JOHN SANDERS PEARSEY . I am minister of Bunhill-fields burial-ground. On the 13th of May, about

three o'clock, I was passing from Bagnigge wells round to Wilson-street, Gray's-inn-lane - I wished to inquire concerning a nephew who I understood was dying, and it was my nearest way to cross from Spa-fields across that place - I was not at all connected with the meeting, or its purpose - I observed when I got near Calthorpe-street, an assemblage of people; they were so peaceable that, although many hundreds, yet I should scarcely have thought it possible that above half-a-dozen persons were on the ground - I saw some colours flying where there was a van - I observed a rush made towards the persons who carried the banners by the Metropolitan New Police, who appeared on a sudden to come from all directions, but particularly from Calthorpe-street - up to the time of that rush, every thing was perfectly peaceable; they surrounded the assembly, and instantly commenced beating them indiscriminately with their staves; I saw this myself - I had not observed the smallest insult offered by the people - they attempted to escape, but were not able; for the new police who were in ambush, rushed out of almost every avenue and prevented their escape - I saw many persons knocked down by them; and one particularly streaming with blood, in fact, deluged with blood - I know Margaret-street very well; several people run up there, and were pursued by the police; and as they were running, I saw the police strike men, women, and children, indiscriminately in the street - I believe many of the police remained behind in Calthorpe-street - I continued there till about twenty minutes or quarter to four o'clock.

Q. From the time the rush made by the police commenced till you went away, did you observe any cessation of this brutal violence? A. I did not; I was not in Calthorpe-street.

Cross-examined by MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. You went on the ground about three o'clock? A. About that time - I did not stay on the ground till a quarter to four o'clock, but about the place - I saw the persons bearing the flags come up; there was no shouting and cheering that I witnessed - I was about the centre of the ground; I should think there could not be great cheering without my knowing it - I did not perceive any person carrying the flags except the policeman who had them under his arm - I did not see the flags brought up; I saw them near the van - I continued mostly in Bagnigge-wells-road; that is not many yards from Calthorpe-street - I was quite in view of Calthorpe-street - I saw a policeman bringing two or three flags from that quarter - I did not observe what was on the flags; I saw no flags in Calthorpe-street; they appeared to me to be in the van; I did not perceive that they were set up, two on each side the chairman - I did not see them till they arrived on the spot - I was too far distant to hear the chairman address the meeting - I was not examined before the Coroner; I sent a note to the Coroner that I might be examined, but he did not call me - I saw nothing in Calthorpe-street about a man being stabbed.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. In the note you sent to the Coroner, did you state that you were a clergyman? A. I did not; I wrote it in this way, "Reverend J. S. Pearsey requests that the Coroner will allow him to step forward as evidence" - when I saw the flags in possession of the police, they were rolled up under the arm of a policeman; I did not perceive what was on them.

A. JUROR. Q. I wish to know whether you could see the position the chairman occupied? A. I saw two or three persons; one might be the chairman; I was not acquainted with him - they appeared to be in the van - I could witness the whole of the transaction throughout the ground to the end of Calthorpe-street - I saw the van move off; who took it away I cannot say - I did not see what became of the chairman after the van moved off.

JOHN HUDSON . I am a hair-dresser, and live at No. 17, Little Guildford-street, Russel-square. I went to this meeting a few minutes after two o'clock - I suppose at that time there were one thousand persons collected, men, women, and children - I went in consequence of reading a proclamation forbidding the meeting; I went to see what kind of a thing they had forbidden; that was the first thing that induced me to go - I saw the van drive up a little before three o'clock; I presume it was a quarter to three o'clock - it was at the end of Calthorpe-street, opposite Mr. Stallwood's house.

Q. Did you observe any little altercation between the persons in the van and somebody else? A. There was an altercation, but I don't know the nature of it - the van moved off - there is a railing close by, and a few minutes after a young man, about twenty-one or twenty-two years old, got on the railing and proposed a man, named Mee, to be chairman - he was voted to the chair by the acclamation of the persons surrounding; he stood on the railing and commenced addressing the multitude by first exhorting them to quiet, orderly, good conduct, to be particularly on their guard for they had their enemies about them, and if they saw a man commit the least breach of the peace to consider that man their foe - I was about twenty feet from the speaker, on a plug hole, and could hear all distinctly.

Q. Up to that time had the meeting been peaceable and orderly? A. It was extremely peaceable - I remember the banner men coming, they were cheered a little as they came up towards where the speaker was - the banners were unfurled till they got a stand near the chairman, and then they were immediately furled - when there was a cry that the police were coming, I was elevated on the shoulders of two men, to see if it was a fact or not, and saw them coming down Calthorpe-street forming as they came, completely under military tactics; after they were formed completely, they occupied the whole space of Calthorpe-street, and marched up in regular military order; after some few had got away, from railing to railing, the inspectors were in front, the body marched up towards the railing; they pressed the people more compact towards the railing- I remember a tall man with full whiskers saying, "Seize this man," pointing with his hand towards the chairman - the banners were by the chairman at that time, and furled, and almost instantly an attack commenced.

Q. Was that within hearing of the banner men? A. Within hearing no doubt - I think they were near enough to hear it - the police instantly commenced one rush on the people, knocking down those nearest to them, cutting away in all directions; while they were so doing, an inspector, on the right of those who marched up the middle, said, "Go it, my lads, that is right;" I was then immediately dropped down, and tried to make my escape down Gough-street, but I found that part was blocked up by the police; I was carried by the pressure of the crowd, who were try

ing to make their escape, into Calthorpe-street, and there a tall man, in the garb of a labourer, immediately before me, had his head cut, and the blood came trickling down on me - at that moment, I crouched a little till I got into the second doorway, No. 11, and the mob of course could rush by me.

Q. Did you observe whether any of the mob were knocked down? A. There was very few but were either knocked down or knocked about by the police indiscriminately; I saw one man very active in knocking down, and he struck an old man, and when his hat fell off he was grey-headed and bald-pated, and his head was streaming with blood; immediately he knocked the man down, he struck him once or twice after he was down - a lad was attempting to run by him, and he struck him and knocked him down with his staff - I afterwards saw that very policeman taken to a doctor's shop in Gray's-inn-lane, he had his hand in a sling, and was led by two men.

Q. Did you observe a man with a banner? A. I did; he was being knocked about at the time I first saw him with the banner, by at least eight or ten policemen, they surrounded him, some pulling the banner and some striking at him; the inhabitants cried, "Shame, shame," - that cry was quite audible - when they were striking the man with the banner, a poor woman standing on the steps of a door said, "Oh you scoundrels consider their wives and families, and don't murder the men," and immediately after three policemen came up to the doorway, where she and I were; one of them made use of a very bad expression, and struck her down the face, cut it open, and fetched the blood out - she had given no provocation, except what I have stated - one of the others struck me with intent to cut my head open, but the blow came on my shoulder as I held my head on one side - as they first came up, they used a very awful expression beginning with a B; this man after striking me on the shoulder, raised his arm up to strike me in the mouth, I seized his arm and rushed behind him, in my trying to get away he fell down - I think he was intoxicated, or he would not have fallen so easily - I consider him to have been quite inebriated, or he would not have fallen so easily - the people all ran away, and I got another blow across my back, as I ran - the police said, "Run, d-n you, run."

Q. Did they run after you? A. No; as they ran by, the police stood on the curb, and as each man ran by they tried to have a thump at him; directly I got into Gray's-inn-lane, I heard a cry of a policeman having been stabbed, and saw a man with his arm bound up, it was the same man as I saw knock the old man and the boy down, I am sure - for I went twice after him trying to get his number, but all I could see was, that he was of the C division, and had three figures; I said to him, "Thank God you have got it, for you richly deserve it," knowing him to be the same man as I had seen knock the old man and boy down - I tried to dress three or four persons' wounds, they were hurt principally over the head, rather towards the back part of the ear - I tried to dress three; I tied one up with rag, and two I tried to bandage with strapping - one was very severely wounded indeed, in fact, I advised him to go to a surgeons considering it very dangerous, for I could see the brains through his hair - I consider several of the police were not sober.

MR. SOLICITOR GENERAL. Q. Look at that person,(Redwood) do you recognize him as having been present? I have every reason to believe this is the man; I have every reason to believe he is the man I saw strike the old man and boy - I swear it.

Q. You do? A. Yes, provided he is the man I saw; but remember it was upwards of two months ago, but to the best of my belief this is the man; I believe him to be the man; it was in Calthorpe-street; I don't know that I saw Brooke there; I have no recollection of him - I only knew of the meeting from the government placard - I don't know the meaning of the word Convention, and went there for information, to see what the thing was likely to be - I was never at such a meeting before.

Q. If it had been a meeting to put down the King, Lords, and Commons should you have thought it legal? A. Unquestionably not; I should not have attended it to make part or parcel in it; I might have gone from curiosity as I did then - I did not consider there was any meeting at all; I went to witness the nature of it, and to find out the meaning of these words National Convention - I saw death's head and cross bones on one banner, and I believe "Death or Liberty" - I did not read the others; when the banners advanced there was cheering and shouting - there were not a great many persons following the banner men.

Q. Were there not hundreds? A. Oh dear no, when they came the meeting increased about one hundred I should think - I think there were about one thousand on the ground when the banners came, and about one hundred followed them on a rough guess or calculation - I believe there was very few, if any, more than one hundred - they furled the banners when they advanced; they twisted the poles round to furl them, I could not then read the inscription, what with their playing in the wind and their furling them up - I don't know what an American flag is; I believe the one produced was there; I don't know who carried it, and don't know where it was stationed - I remember seeing it coming up; I saw it coming up Calthorpe-street towards the chairman, but not afterwards that I know of; it might have been furled - I saw no policeman stabbed in Calthorpe-street; it might have been done without my seeing it, or two or a dozen might have been stabbed; there might have been such a thing - the policeman who said "Seize that man," was a tall, powerful looking man with full whiskers, and he had a silver collar on his coat.

Q. Were the banners then by the chairman? A. Yes, as near him as they could get; all four were as near as they could get round him - I don't know how many banners there were; there might have been five or six for what I know; all that I saw stood outside the railing near Calthorpe-street - I saw the prisoner struggling with a banner, but whether it was an American one I cannot say - he was holding it in the road at the very end of Calthorpe-street, and seven or eight policemen were contending with him for it, and beating him, and others trying to force it from him at the same time - while he was struggling there this man, who I believe to be Redwood (on my conscience I saw him) he was about as far as I am from the prisoner when he struck the old man - when Fursey was struggling for the flag, the policeman I believe to be Redwood was about two yards from Fursey, and at that time

he knocked down the old man making his way towards where the prisoner and the police were contending for the banner, and he cut down the old man at the time, and the boy immediately after; I did not hear any policeman groan or cry out, Oh - they were struggling with Fursey for the banner about two minutes in Calthorpe-street, at the very end.

Q. Struggling to get the banner from him? A. Yes, beating him all the time, and the numbers were continually increasing - Fursey had the banner in his hand till they got him down on the ground, then he twirled his hands and feet round, and the police hurled him round and dragged him towards Gray's-inn-road way; they at last got the banner from him, by the second house, about the middle of the street, rather more on the north side; they there got the banner from him - I have not heard Mr. Courtney examined - nothing was said then about a policeman being wounded or stabbed; it was about four or five minutes after this that I saw the man with his arm in a handkerchief - I had not seen that man struggling with Fursey - I had seen him about two yards from Fursey at the time they were contending for the banner; I never saw him nearer than that; he might have gone nearer because after knocking the boy down he rushed past, and might have gone nearer - I lost sight of him among the rest of the police; I kept sight of Fursey till the banner was taken from him; I don't know what became of him then, for he was completely surrounded by the police, and my attention was drawn by the screams of some women towards the field.

Q. Did many of the police appear to you to be intoxicated? A. Not what I call downright drunk; I don't mean to say they could neither stand nor walk; they could just make a decent sort of a walk of it to conduct themselves - I suppose, I myself saw ten or a dozen who were greatly the worse for liquor, many others seemed partially the worse for liquor.

Q. Might the greatest number appear partially the worse for liquor? A. No, I should think about one-fourth; Redwood seemed partially the worse for liquor - from the savage ferocity with which he went to work with his truncheon, and the apparently excited state of his feelings; and he nearly tumbled down at one time, when he was striking the old man, I imagine he was partially drunk - others were considerably more intoxicated than him; I did not see them take any liquor.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. I suppose you were not in their company in the public-house? A. No.

Q. You have said a dozen men might be stabbed in Calthorpe-street without your observing it? A. It is possible.

Q. Was there considerable riot and outrage all through the street? A. The people laid down prostrate in all directions; they fell down to the ground bleeding - I expected to find several dead myself, from the manner in which they bled.

Q. How many in your observation might be tumbled down from the blows of the police, is it too much to say twenty? A. I hardly think twenty in Calthorpe-street alone - the greatest part was at the further end, I should imagine about a dozen were knocked down.

Q. You have described a struggling for a banner, you do not know whether this is the one or not - was it such a struggling as might have smashed the pole of it? A. I wonder it stood it half so long - the manner of the policeman which I suppose to be Redwood, in rushing past the old man and boy was extremely violent, most outrageous violence; he struck every body who came in his way - when I lost sight of him he was cutting right and left - I had not the slightest concern with the meeting.

COURT. Q. You saw the banner taken from the prisoner - what became of him afterwards? A. He was so surrounded, and my attention being taken by the screams of some women I don't know what became of him; I did not see him afterwards till to-day.

A JUROR. Q. How near was you to the prisoner when the struggle took place about the banner? A. I should think a little further than I am from you, Sir, about half as much again (about ten yards).

JOHN SMEED . I keep an oil-shop, and live at No. 38, Upper North-place, Grays-inn-road. On the 13th of May, I was at my shop-door, about one o'clock; my house is next door to the Calthorpe Arms - a little after one o'clock, I saw bodies of the police advancing - one party went to Mr. Burbridge's stables, and the other to Dawson's - I was standing at my shop door, and saw them go in - I went into the Calthorpe Arms to get my family their beer, and saw some of them there - I afterward saw some persons come with flags, they went towards Calthorpe-street; that was before the policemen came out of the stable.

Q. While these persons were advancing towards the fields was there any disturbance? A. I did not see any- there was no violence used - there were a few policemen there then straggling about.

Q. They did nothing? A. No, they did nothing but eat and drink at the public house - I should think it was not above five minutes after the procession came that I saw the police marched from Dawson's - I could not so well see them from Burbridge's - they took the same direction as the procession with the flags had taken - as they passed my house they all turned up their coat sleeves, spat upon their hands, and grasped the leather of their truncheons round their wrists, and they appeared in an agitated state, grasping their truncheons firmly - and marched at a quick pace into Calthorpe-street - I know Baker the inspector by sight; I saw him, he had his staff in his hand moving it in this manner, (waving it,) leading his men on - I did not go from my door; I cannot see down Calthorpe-street; I only saw into Gray's-inn-road - when Baker moved his staff, his men advanced with their staves in their hands; they seemed to look pale and agitated; I did not see them do anything - I saw several persons with their heads cut; I saw a man about fifty years old; I saw several people knocked about by the police, by my door on the curb stone; I saw one woman very much hurt, and I saw one boy from ten to twelve years old; these persons had done nothing, nor given any offence to the police, they were very quiet and inoffensive - I saw the people trying to get out of the way of the police but they could not, if they got out of the way of one party, another fell in with them, and then they knocked them about; I saw a policeman throw his truncheon after one man down the road, it was two policemen pursuing one man or two men, they could not catch

him, and threw a truncheon at him - I took five or six women into my shop who were endeavouring to escape, two of them had children in their arms, and two or three young men - I cannot say whether my neighbours did the same, but I saw them standing at their doors - I saw Baker produce a dagger, there was a sheath to it - it was the same sort as the one produced - I cannot swear to it - he stated where he got it from.

MR. SOLICITOR GENERAL. Q. Did you see any person struck in Calthorpe-street? A. No; I was never in the street at all, and do not know what took place there.

WILLIAM CARPENTER . I live in Penlington-place, Lambeth, and am one of the editors of an evening paper, I went to the Calthorpe-street ground, on the day of this meeting - I got to the ground about a quarter before one o'clock; at this time I should think there were scattered over the ground about three or four hundred persons - (I frequently cross the ground; it is a place of resort for idle boys and children to play) - there was no indication of a meeting being held there; I went, understanding one was to be held - as I went there I passed several bodies of the police who were going to the meeting - I continued on the ground till the persons who subsequently commenced the proceedings of the meeting arrived.

Q. You passed several bodies of police apparently moving towards the ground, did you see those police afterwards approach the ground? A. I saw bodies of police; at that time the persons assembled were perfectly peaceable - I was standing on the ground when the persons bearing the banners moved down the street; and in consequence of the influx of persons at that time, I requested permission to go into the balcony of Mr. Stallwood's house - I got into the balcony, which commands an extensive view of the place - about the time I had got in the balcony I found the police drawn across the ends of Calthorpe-street, and across Gough-street, which runs directly across Calthorpe-street; and immediately afterward I heard orders given to the police who were drawn up at the end of Calthorpe-street to move forward - they occupied nearly the breadth of the street; they moved on, the persons falling back to allow them to go on; and as they went on the crowd was denser, and as soon as they were obstructed in their progress by the persons who were quietly standing in the crowd, they immediately began to use, their staves.

Q. Do you mean that the obstruction was caused by the denseness of the crowd, or did the crowd attempt to strike them at all? A. Certainly not; all the people who could move on one side had done so; but when they got farther the crowd was so dense, it was impossible for them to do so, and then the police began to strike them with their truncheons.

Q. Did they seem to you to care where they hit, whether it was in the face, or head - did they seem to you to care where they aimed? A. I saw the truncheons being used in every possible direction - scores of them flying about in every possible direction - the body of the crowd were generally men, but towards the sides of the street, on the pavement, I observed several females, who could not move, as the police had crossed the other side of the street.

Q. The females, from the pressure of the police could not move backward or forward? A. On one side.

Q. Did they appear anxious to get away? A. No; I saw no movement; they did not move - when this indisoriminate striking took place the inhabitants cried, Shame, shame - I joined in the cry myself; and two or three gentlemen in the balcony, and some ladies, were crying out, Shame - Mr. Courtney was there; there were the same cries from various other houses - I was induced to cry Shame, from seeing the people surrounded by the police, and their retreat being rendered impossible - I thought it a most barbarous thing for this armed body of men to commence an attack on this unarmed and unoffending people - I saw several persons knocked down, and saw them struck on the head when they were down - this was after the crowd had dispersed; they were struck by the police with their truncheons - immediately under me I saw a crowd of persons who had got into a little area, apparently out of the way of the police - I saw policemen, in bodies of three or four, come from the ground where they had been dispersing the people, and going up to the persons standing in the doorways; I saw them lay hold of two or three gentlemen by the collar, and thrust them away - those gentlemen were standing quietly, and appeared to turn round to remonstrate with the police, and they were struck in this way - while I stood on the balcony I saw two females crossing the waste ground, coming in a direction for Calthorpe-street; I saw them surrounded by four or five policemen - this was at the identical period of the attack.

Q. How soon after you saw the flags marching up to the van was it that you saw this uproar and outrage committed in Calthorpe-street? A. Three or four minutes; it was almost directly; certainly not more than five minutes; I had just time to get on the balcony - I did not in the whole course of the outrage, see any stones or brickbats thrown - I saw nothing whatever in the conduct or demeanour of the people to provoke the outrage on the part of the police.

MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL. Q. Did you know of the intended meeting before you went on the ground? A. Yes, it was my knowledge of it took me there - I saw it stated as the intention of the meeting to establish a national convention - I saw it in various publications, and advertisements and bills I think - it was notorious I believe; Mr. Stallwood's is a corner house; one face of it is towards Calthorpe-street, and the other towards Gough-street - the balcony is in Gough-street, and the end of it is in Calthorpe-street - I had the range of the balcony; the party came up with the banners before I went into the house - there was a general shout raised when they came; I noticed the banner with death's head and cross bones, and liberty or death, or something of that kind on it - the people with the banners stationed themselves on this side the railing in which closes the waste ground; I took very little notice of the banners - I saw a struggle for a banner which I believe was a striped one, but cannot say it was this, it was at the end of Calthorpe-street, soon after the attack was commenced by the police on the people - I did not hear of the policeman being stabbed; it could not be above a minute and a half from the first attack to that struggle - I did not hear of a policeman being stabbed till I returned to the office - I saw the struggle myself; I did not see the banner actually taken - a policeman might be stabbed and I not have seen it - I am editor of the "True Sun."

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. You saw the struggle for the ban

ner, about how many policemen did you see surrounding the man? A. There was a large body of police, I should think ten or more surrounded him - I cannot say whether they had truncheons; they were exceedingly violent; they had got hold of the pole of the banner - I suppose the man who held it, was trying to retain it; but I did not see the man; he appeared to be doing his best to prevent them getting it - there was a violent struggle for a minute.

Q. So as to cause the use of both his hands? A. Yes. I have said I did not see the person who held the banner - I should suppose, certainly, that he was doing his very utmost to retain it. I went to the meeting to see the proceedings, and give an account of it in our paper, as all our reporters were down at the House of Commons.

WILLIAM ROBINSON . I live at No. 5, Bolton-place, Margaret-street, Spa-fields; and am a surgical instrument maker. On the 13th of May, I got to Calthorpe-street about half-past two o'clock, as near as I can guess, I did not see any watch or clock. I had come from Berner's-street, Oxford-street, and was standing in the field - I was there before the chair was taken.

Q. Up to the time that the chair was taken, was any disturbance offered by the people? A. Not any; the police had not come on the ground - I saw the police advance, it was after three o'clock - I could not see all the avenues leading to the field, on account of the crowd - I did see the Calthorpe-street avenue distinctly - I saw a very large body of them come up Calthorpe-street; they walked very steadily and very firm within a few yards of the speaker at the end of Gough-street - they were not molested or interfered with by anybody; the crowd in Calthorpe-street opened on each side for them, and offered them no violence; a space was opened for them to get up to where the chairman was - I both saw them use their truncheons, and had them used on myself; the few banners which were there, were near the chairman - I cannot tell how many there were, they were furled.

Q. Were any of the bearers of the banners using any gestures with them, or doing anything offensive at all? A. Not at all; up to the time the police began to use their truncheons, they had received no offence or injury from anybody - I was in the middle of Gough-street - I parted on one side with part of the crowd to let them pass up to the chair - this was a little after three o'clock; the moment this was done, the police raised their truncheons - they had them laying on their arms ready for action, holding them in their right hand, and laying them on their left arms - they fell upon the people without giving them any warning, and knocked them down just as they came indiscriminately.

Q. Before they knocked them down, did they require them to disperse, or say any thing? A. Not one word; I received a blow at the corner of my left eye; there is the scar now - I had done nothing either by word or deed to provoke that blow - I could not recognize who it was given by, but it was a policeman; it knocked me down and drew blood; I bled a great deal - six or eight fell on me while I was down on the ground, and beat me most unmercifully - they were all policemen; this was as they were advancing towards the chairman, before the struggle for the flag. I was one of the first they struck - I was struck on my arm and shoulder; I was on my left hand and knee endeavouring to get up.

Q. Was this while you were bleeding at the head? A. Yes; I was so muchinjured, I could not work for a fortnight - they ran from me to fall on a man and boy, and knocked them down. I then arose and made my escape - on my road home I overtook Charles Wheeler , he came up to me in the field near Bagnigge-wells by the side of the prison wall and said something to me; the field was full of policemen then; Wheeler and I walked to the end of Margaret-street, there were three policemen there, and one of them knocked him down - this was about a quarter of an hour after I was knocked down.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. Were you drawn to the spot by having seen a placard or bill? A. No, I had not seen any; I was coming home; I had been out on business - I saw the flag bearers march up to the place where the chairman was.

Q. Do you mean to say they came quite peaceably, and no crowd after them, no hooting and hallooing at all? A. Not any, every body was perfectly silent; the people might have spoken, but they did not shout nor cheer - the flags were unfurled when they came up, and were furled after they took their standing; I did not take notice, and don't know what was on the flags; I did not notice any with stripes and stars on them - there was a noise.

Q. Did you see that the flags coming up brought people with them? A. People who brought the flags of course - I don't know whether the other people followed the flags, or whether they came by accident - I cannot calculate how many came up.

Q. Were there ten or fifteen? A. I cannot say.

Q. Were there fourteen or fifteen hundred? A. I cannot say, I cannot pass an opinion - they were quite quiet and peaceable - I could see down Calthorpe-street - I did not see the policeman stabbed, nor see him after he was stabbed; I saw nothing about it; I heard of it at near night, when I was standing at the end of Bolton-place, and Margaret-street.

Q. Why, considering your bad eye, you were out very soon? A. Yes, but people after severe bruises don't feel the effects so bad till next morning; I felt it more a week after than I did at the time; I had my eye dressed by a surgeon - I work for the trade, I receive no weekly wages, but take jobs from surgical instrument makers, and make them according to their directions - I was examined before the coroner the last day of the inquest; I forget how long that was after I received the wound, it was more than three days.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Did you exhibit before the coroner the injuries you had received in the temple and otherwise? A. Yes - Bolton-place is only a few yards from my house, it is a little, short court.

Q. From the commencement of the uproar to the conclusion, did you see any thing on the part of the people to warrant the attack which was made on them? A. Not any.

WILLIAM FORSTER . I am a professor of music, and live at No. 30, Rawstorne-street, Clerkenwell. I had to go to Mr. Duffs, a string maker in Gray's Inn-lane, and passed through the Calthorpe estate ground, as well as I can recollect, at near three o'clock, every thing was then most remarkably peaceable - as I returned, I entered the ground again from Calthorpe-street, and in endeavouring to pass out at the Bagnigge-wells-road, I saw a quantity of policemen.

Q. Did you carry your head home as safe as you brought it? A. Yes, at least it was in danger - I saw so many persons struck about me by the police, near the corner of Guildford-street, which is near Calthorpe-street, part of the same ground - I did not see the people give any provocation or violence to the police - I did not take out my watch to see the time - I returned in five or ten minutes - I complained at the station-house afterward of the way I was treated.

HENRY CHANCE REDWOOD re-examined. When I went into Calthorpe-street I was quite sober; I was not in liquor at all - a man had come into the stable with some porter, and two friends of mine of the F division were there; I purchased a pot of porter of the man; we had a pot among four of us, I only drank once, and did not drink half a pint - I had drank no other strong drink that day, neither beer nor spirits; I had drank nothing more at the time I was struck - the men of my division were perfectly sober for what I saw of them - I saw none of them at all the worse for liquor - I never raised my truncheon to any body till after I was stabbed.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Were you in health and strength enough to strike people after you was struck? A. I only struck one blow, and that was at Fursey.

Q. Will you persist in swearing that none of your fellow-policemen struck other people in Calthorpe-street? A. I cannot answer for their conduct; I saw none strike while I was with them - I did not mention before the Coroner or magistrate, that I gave Fursey a blow after I was struck myself.

Q. Although not tipsy, were not you rather excited by the scene, or anxiety of promoting and distinguishing yourself? A. Not at all; I was quite cool, as I am now, and I went up to Fursey in a cool manner.

Q. On your solemn oath, did not many of the police strike before you struck Fursey in Calthorpe-street? A. Not that I saw - I heard no cries at all - I did not go more than half way up the street - I never went into Gough-street - Coldbath-fields prison is before you when in Calthorpe-street; Gough-street crosses Calthorpe-street, but I know nothing of the road; I never was there.

Q. Will you swear the distance from the entrance of Calthorpe-street is more than sixty yards from the railing which separates it from the ground? A. I cannot say what distance it is; I am not acquainted with the distance- I was in the street, and saw the railing - I entered from Gray's Inn-lane - I suppose it may be about sixty yards - there was shouts from the mob, but my attention was on apprehending the prisoner - I heard cries of the mob hooting; I heard no cries of Shame - I did not see Mr. Stallwood - I saw no one struck while I was there.

Q. How long after the banners went up did you go up Calthorpe-street? A. That was the only banner that came into Calthorpe-street - when I was taking the colour from Fursey, there was about four or five of us about him; we were pulling at the colour, and he had hold of it; he had it in his hand.

Q. Only one hand? A. He had them in his hands.

Q. Then he had two hands holding the colour? A. For what I know he had - he had his hands to the flag-staff - he had nothing in his hand at that time that I saw, but the flag-staff.

MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL. Q. He had the staff in his hand, when was that? A. I saw him come from the right to the left out of Calthorpe-street, he came on from about the middle of Calthorpe-street to the left - I advanced out from my rank, and demanded the colour from him; he refused to give it up - I then told him I should take the colour from him; I accordingly seized the colour with both hands- I saw him raise his right hand with an instrument in it about six or eight inches long.

Q. You say he held the flag-staff with both hands? A. That was on the right hand side, as we were going out of Gray's-inn-road up to Calthorpe-street - it was on the right hand side of the street that he had hold of the flag with both hands, but that was after I was stabbed; I was stabbed on the opposite side.

Q. Had he hold of the flag in both his hands before you was stabbed? A. No, only in his left hand; his right hand was down in this manner (straight down at his side) before I was stabbed.

Q. Had the flag been got from him before you were stabbed? A. Not that I saw - after I had struck him he ran into the ranks, and he still had the flag in his left hand, and he still had the instrument in his hand when he ran into the ranks.

Q. When was it you saw him holding the flag with both hands? A. After I had got hold of him, and got him over to the right, that was at the time I gave him into the custody of two officers; I had hold of him then with my right hand by the left collar; it was then there was a struggle with him, and four or five round him.

JUROR. Q. I think you said there were four or five constables round the man after he had the flag-staff in both hands, was you one of the four or five that were endeavouring to take it from him? A. I was one; I never lost sight of him after taking him by the collar?

Q. How could he go into the ranks? A. I had got hold of him, and went in with him.

The following is a Copy of the Proclamation.

Whereas printed papers have been posted up and distributed in various parts of the metropolis, advertising that a public meeting will be held in Coldbath-fields, on Monday next, May the 13th, to adopt preparatory measures for holding a National Convention, as the only means of obtaining and securing the rights of the people: and, whereas a public meeting holden for such a purpose, is dangerous to the public peace and illegal, all classes of his Majesty's subjects are hereby warned not to attend any such meeting, nor to take any part in the proceedings thereof. And notice is hereby given, that the civil authorities have strict orders to maintain and secure the public peace; and to apprehend any persons offending herein, that they may be dealt with according to law. By order of the Secretary of State.


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NEW COURT. Thursday, July 4th.

First Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Sergeant Arabin.

1030. ANN HARVEY was indicted for stealing, on the 16th of May , 1 sheet, value 3s.; 2 table cloths, value 3s.; 2 pillows, value 2s.; 1 bonnet, value 9s.; and 1 3/4. in copper monies, the goods of Walter Bell : - also for stealing, on the 21st of May, 1 hat, value 2s.; 1 frock, value 2s.; 1 handkerchief, value 4d.; 1 pair of stockings, value 3d.; and 5 1/4d. in copper monies, the goods of John Green , to which indictments she pleaded

GUILTY - Aged 33.

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1031. MARY JOYCE was indicted for stealing, on the 24th of June , 1 half-crown, 2 shillings, and 1 sixpence, of Edward William Griffith , from his person .

EDWARD WILLIAM GRIFFITH . I am shoemaker , and am single; I live at No. 6, Wilmer-street. On the 24th of June, about two o'clock in the morning, I was going home; the prisoner came up to me, and asked me to go with her - I went and she took me down some dark stabling, where there were some stairs - I gave her sixpence to ****, and while doing so I felt her hand in my pocket; I asked her what she was doing; she said nothing; I came up the stairs, and missed five shillings from my pocket; I had had it safe between a quarter of an hour and half an hour before - I asked her for the money, she said she had not got it, but in going along she let one shilling fall from her clothes; she said, "There is your money falling from your pocket" - I picked up the shilling, and took hold of her sleeve, and asked her for the rest; I found one shilling in her sleeve; I took that, and asked her for the rest; she would not give it me - I called watch, and a policeman came and took her - he found on her three shillings and tenpence; I had had two shillings from her before; and sixpence I had given her - the fourpence was not mine.

SAMUEL GODDARD , (police-serjeant C 105.) I was on duty, and heard the alarm - I ran up, and the prosecutor charged the prisoner with stealing five shillings; I took her to the station; I found one half-crown, two sixpences, and fourpence in halfpence in her pocket; the prosecutor told me he had picked up one shilling, and found another shilling in her gown-sleeve - I gave her back the other sixpence and the fourpence, by the magistrate's order.

Prisoner's Defence. I met the prosecutor talking to a young woman - she asked him to give her something to drink; he said he had no money; the young woman then said to me "Come down to Page's" - as we were going there the prosecutor walked after us - the young woman met two tailors, who said to her "Poll, will you have a drop of gin"; we went in and had some; in about five minutes, the prosecutor came in, and he called for a quartern - he handed a glass of it to the young woman; she said she had just had one; he then handed it to me; I just tasted it, and he then handed it to a bricklayer's labourer, who had come from a wake, and said, "You drink it"- the prosecutor then came out, and we remained talking; I then went home with the young woman, and as I was going back I met the prosecutor again - he said where are you going; I said to my home; he said, "Will you have a drop of gin, I have got sixpence, that is all" - I went to the Golden Lion for it, but they were shut up; he then asked me to give him the sixpence back, which I did not approve of - he then began to maul me about, and said he would charge the police with me for robbing him; I said I would go with him; I made no resistance.

GUILTY - Aged 39. Transported for Seven Years .

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1032. GEORGE MAYNARD was indicted was stealing, on the 21st of June , 1 handkerchief, value 5s. of the property of John Brymer , from his person .

JOHN BRYMER . I was formerly in the army, but have retired . On the 21st of June, about one in the morning, I was in the Circus, Piccadilly ; I felt a pull at my pocket; I turned and saw the prisoner drop my handkerchief; I laid hold of him, and with the assistance of two gentlemen who were with me, I held him till the officer came up; this is my handkerchief.

Cross-examined by MR. BARRY. Q. Did he not appear in liquor? A. No.

Prisoner's Defence. I know nothing of it; I was in liquor.

GUILTY - Aged 18. Transported for Fourteen Years .

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1033. GEORGE TREADWAY was indicted for stealing, on the 6th of June , 1 crown, 8 half-crowns, and 2 shillings, the monies of Augustus William Pitt Davis , his maste r.

AUGUSTUS WILLIAM PITT DAVIS . I am a wine merchant , and live in Wimpole-street, and in Tottenham-court-road . The prisoner was my porter for ten or twelve days - on the 6th of June I sent him to collect some monies; I gave him eight half-crowns, one crown, and two shillings, to give change with - he never returned to me, but in about an hour after he was gone, I received this letter with his name to it; I have seen him write, and believe it is his writing.

The letter was put in, and the latter part of it was read, as follows: - "The money I have of yours I shall send or leave at the road, as I do not know the bearer, and I never could do my duty after the unkindness I received this morning."

Witness. I had found some wine removed, and I told the prisoner the day before, that I should not keep him - on that morning, he asked me if I would give him a character, I said, I could not give him one that would be of use to him; he ought to have returned to me in the course of the day, but he did not - I understand he absented himself from home - he was taken in a week afterwards.

JAMES MILLER (police-constable, S 215). I received information, and took the prisoner at No. 28, Little George-street - I found him and his wife at home; I told him I was authorised by his employer to take him into custody; he said, "Very well, I will go with you" - his wife did not say anything.

Prisoner's Defence. I have only to throw myself on the mercy of the Court; I had a place to go to when my master refused me a character; when I sent the letter I intended to return the money, but I got a drop too much and lost it.

GUILTY. - Aged 28.

Recommended to Mercy by the Jury .

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1034. MARGARET BENNET was indicted for stealing, on the 22nd of May , 1 shawl, value 1s. 6d.; 1 pair of shoes, value 6d.; 1 cap, value 6d.; 1 basket, value 6d.; 1 collar, value 6d.; and 2 handkerchiefs, value 6d . the goods of Elizabeth Rose .

ELIZABETH ROSE. I live at No. 8, Great James-street, Lisson-grove , and work at the tailoring business . On the morning of the 22d of May, I was walking in Edgware-road and met the prisoner who was a stranger, she spoke to me; we got into conversation, and I let her go home with me to have a breakfast, as she said she had been walking and was very tired - I laid down on my bed, not being very well, and I fell asleep, leaving her up; I don't think I slept more than a quarter of a hour; when I awoke

the prisoner was gone, and I missed the articles stated - I saw the greater part of the articles found in about three quarters of an hour afterwards, at the prisoner's lodging by the officer - the prisoner was there at the time and said, she was very vexed to think she had done such a thing, and she would not do so any more.

RACHAEL HARMAN . I live at No. 6, Hollis-street - the prisoner came to my house that morning - I did not see her bring any basket - I did not see her come in, but I was there at the time - she did not lodge with me then, but she used to lodge there, and she came there that morning.

Q. Did you see any basket in her hand? A. No; she asked me to pawn a shawl for her, which I did in the Edgware-road, and gave the duplicate to the prisoner.

Q. Did you put your mark to this paper? (her deposition). A. Yes - I did not see her come in - I saw a basket found when the policeman came - I did not see it before.

Q. Now I give you time to recollect yourself, I ask you whether you saw her come into your house? A. No, Sir, I did not - I never said I saw her come in with a basket.

Q. Is not this your mark to this paper? A. Yes, Sir; I did not see the basket till the officer came and found it.

Q. Was not the paper read over to you, and were you not asked if the contents of it were true? A. Yes.

DENNIS KEAYES (police-constable, D 113). I went to the house and found the prisoner in bed - I found a basket with a cap and a collar in it on the stairs in the passage- I did not find the prisoner then, but I found her when I went there again - I asked the prosecutrix if she was the girl; she said, yes; the prisoner denied it, but after she went to the station she said, she was very sorry and hoped it would be looked over.

THOMAS NEWTON . I am a pawnbroker. I took in this shawl of the witness, Rachel Harman , on the 22nd of May.

Prisoner's Defence. I met this woman, on the morning in question, at half-past three o'clock - she had hold of a gentleman's arm, who pushed her away; she then came to me and asked, if I knew where there was a public-house? I said, No - she then asked me to walk with her for half an hour, and she would treat me when the public-houses opened - we then went and had three quarterns of rum - she forced me to drink some of it - I was thanking her, and wishing her good morning, when she asked me to go to her place; I said, my landlady would be uneasy; she said, "Nonsense, come to my place and you shall have some more" - I went with her and she made tea; a young woman then came in, and she sent her for half a pint of gin - I was quite intoxicated and went home - I knew nothing of this till the officer came and took me.

ELIZABETH ROSE . All I gave her was a cup of tea, which she made, and brought me some on the bed - I did not meet her till six o'clock in the morning; I went out to take a walk before I began work - the prisoner said she had been walking all night and was very tired.

GUILTY . Aged 20.

Rachael Harman was committed for perjury.

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1035. THOMAS BARTON was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering a building within the curtilage of the dwelling-house of George Seidenberg , on the 7th of June , at St. John of Wapping, and stealing 2 coats, value 5s.; and 1 waistcoat, value 2s., the goods of the said George Seidenberg .

GEORGE MALPAS . I work for Mr. George Seidenberg, his warehouse is in Dundee-arms-yard, in the parish of St. John of Wapping . On the 6th of June I fastened the door of the warehouse all secure - I went the next morning, between five and six o'clock, and found the Custom-house officers' beds, which were in that warehouse, were untied; and two coats had been removed from one part of the warehouse to another - I sent for an officer; he went up into the loft and came down with the prisoner, and two coats and a cloak - the prisoner is a stranger to me - he had got in at the top where six tiles had been taken off, which had been safe the night before - the door was open, the lock had been forced back on the inside.

THOMAS ADAMS . I am an officer. I was sent for at a quarter before seven o'clock; I went up stairs, and began to remove some tables and chairs - I there found the prisoner; six tiles had been taken off the roof, and the lock of the door had been forced back; these coats and this cloak were under the prisoner, he pretended to be asleep - there is a waistcoat which is missing altogether; the coats had had capes on them, but they were cut off.

GEORGE SEIDENBERG . The warehouse belonged to me. These coats were in my care, but they were the property of the Custom-house officers - if they had been lost I must have made them good.

JAMES DAWSON . This coat is mine; it was sent to the warehouse for safety.

THOMAS CALLAGHAN . I came into the yard as the officer was in search of the prisoner - I saw him find him in the loft on these clothes; I laid hold of him by the right breast.

Prisoner's Defence. I went in at the door, which was open; I did not get through the tiles - the officer has owed me a grudge for a long while; he was always kicking and knocking me about at the stairs, and said he would transport me.

THOMAS ADAMS re-examined. Q. Does the warehouse adjoin the dwelling-house? A. Yes, but you come out of the dwelling-house to go to it - it is all within one fence.

GUILTY . Aged 18.

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1036. JACOB DYKE was indicted for stealing, on the 3rd of April , 1 piece of linen containing 26 yards, value 2l. 3s., the goods of William Morley and another .

HENRY SWAINE . I live with Mr. Fairlam a pawnbroker in Lisson-grove. On the 28th of May, the witness, Jones, brought a piece of linen to the shop, about nine o'clock in the morning - I asked whose it was, he said his own, and he had had it from a young man who had been living at a linen-draper's near the Bank - I asked what he gave for it, he said one shilling and sixpence a yard, and he lived at No. 8, Salisbury-street - having a suspicion that all was not right, I went out to go to Salisbury-street - he called me back and said if I would go to Duke's Mews, I should find a person named Dyke, at a wheelwrights - I took an officer and went there - they said they knew Dyke, but he was not there; they recommended me to go to another mews - we went there,

but he was not there; we came back and met the prisoner - he said to us, "Who do you want?" - the officer said Dyke - he said "I am the man" - I asked him an go to our shop; and in going along he said, "The linen is mine, it is all right" - I said, "Yours is it, the young man says it is his own, and it cost one shilling and sixpence a yard, and in my opinion it is worth two shillings and sixpence or two shillings and ninepence" - the prisoner said, "Oh, no, it is mine, I gave two shillings and ninepence a yard for it;" he went to our shop and was taken to the office - I did not ask the prisoner where he bought it to my knowledge.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. The prisoner did not deny that it was his? A. No, and he said he was the person we wanted.

JOHN JONES . I am a wheelwright. I have known the prisoner three months by his coming to the shop where I work, with Mr. Hollis in Duke's Mews - the prisoner brought the linen to the shop, and asked me to take it to pawn for him - I took it and Mr. Swaine stopped me with it; the prisoner was going to grind his scythe when I went away, and he told me to say it was mine, and that I gave one shilling and sixpence a yard for it - I told the pawnbroker so, and at last I told the truth where I got it.

JOHN LANARGAN (Police-constable, D 49). I took the prisoner, and have the linen - when Mr. Swaine asked him where he got the linen, he said he could make it all right, he had had it in his possession three months.

MR. JAMES MORLEY. I am in partner ship with William Morley; the prisoner was in our employ as porter , for three or four weeks before the 3rd of April - this cloth is our's, we sold it on the 3rd of April, to Mr. Cant, in Crawford-street - the prisoner took three pieces, numbers twenty-four, twenty-five, and twenty-six; this one is number twenty-six - on the following day we were informed, that only two pieces, numbers twenty-four, and twenty-five, had been delivered - I went to the prisoner and asked him how he accounted for the deficiency of one piece; he said he would take his oath he had delivered the three pieces; I said it was strange that a person of respectability should say, that only two pieces had been delivered - he had before had notice to leave us, and when he went away I refused to pay him his wages; he summoned us, and my brother went and paid it.

Cross-examined. Q. How do you know the cloth? A. Both by the number and the seal - they are numbered and sealed differently by different makers - I don't know who sealed this; we bought the cloth of Thomas Ferguson , and perhaps he sealed it - we look over the goods that are bought, and to the best of my belief, this is our piece of cloth - other pieces of cloth might have number twenty-six on them, but not the same seal perhaps - I cannot swear that I had seen this piece of cloth previous to the 3rd of April - it is worth about 2l. 3s. 4d. with the other, but worth three pounds to another person.

ANN CANT . I am the wife of William Cant; we live at No. 5, Crawford-street. On the 3rd of April three pieces of cloth were bought of the prosecutor, but the prisoner only brought two, and one piece of muslin - I did not look at the bill at the moment, but I saw afterwards that there were three pieces of cloth on the bill, and I sent my daughter the next morning to say we had had only two places.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you say it was all right? No; he said he brought the parcel from Mr. Morley's - I said "Clap it down;" the invoice was struck in it.

JURY. Q. Did you not see the invoice at the time? A. No, not till next morning - he brought them just as we were shutting-up; not soul entered afterwards - the next morning I found there were only two pieces.

Mr. Ash, of Bond-street; and Mr. Parker, a cow-keeper; gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY . Aged 28.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-13

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1037. HENRY EDWARDS was indicted for stealing, on the 22nd of June , 1 handkerchief, value 3s., the property of Arthur Fry , from his person.

ARTHUR FRY . I am a hat manufacturer . I was in Chiswell-street last Saturday week, between four and five o'clock in the afternoon; a witness saw my handkerchief taken and told me of it - I pursued the prisoner, who was running, for four hundred and sixty paces; somebody stopped him, and I came up - I found my handkerchief close by him; I took it and sent for an officer.

JAMES LANHAM . I saw the prisoner receive the handkerchief from a person who took it from the prosecutor's person, but the other escaped - I saw the prisoner drop the handkerchief.

EDWARD MACDONALD . I took the prisoner.

ARTHUR FRY . This is my handkerchief, it has my name at full length on it.

GUILTY . Aged 18.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-14
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1038. MARY CONNOR was indicted for stealing, on the 26th of May , 1 pair of gloves, value 1s., and 9 halfpence, the property of David Humphreys , her master .

ANN HUMPHREYS . I am the wife of David Humphreys. We keep a public-house in Shepherd-street, Oxford-street - we went there on the 27th of April, the prisoner was servant there; we kept her as our servant - I missed a variety of little articles from the time I went in there, and on the 26th of May I saw the prisoner in the bar with her arm over the counter, and her hand in the till taking out coppers - I asked her what she was doing taking money from my drawers - she said she had not; but I went to her, opened her hand, and found some copper in it - I said she had been taking money; she said she had not - she then said she had - I asked why she took it; she said she did not know, but she had done it - she then put down twopence halfpenny on the table; I said that was not all she had taken - she at first said it was, but then she said she had taken four halfpence more- I sent for an officer; he searched her box, and I saw a pair of my husband's gloves found in it.

Cross-examined by MR. J. ALLEY. Q. Has the prisoner ever complained of late hours at your house? A. No, I always wished her to go to bed sooner than she wished to go - sometimes people stay there late; a baker named Stevens serves us with bread; we do not send beer to his house, but he sometimes comes to our house and has beer - if the prisoner had served him with any beer that day, she must have drawn it herself; she did not say she had served him with some beer that day, and

taken of him the money which she had in her hand - we have only been a short time in the house; Mrs. Wheeler lived there before us - she gave the prisoner a good character; I stated to the magistrate that I had found the prisoner's hand in the drawer.

DAVID HUMPHREYS . I was present when the officer searched the prisoner's box and found this pair of gloves, which are my property. I found some brandy in a bottle which I cannot identify.

Cross-examined. Q. How do you swear to these gloves? A. By my initials, which are in them - I never made her a present of them, or of anything, in order to obtain any favour from her - nothing of that kind ever took place between us.

JOHN HARDY (police-constable D 120). I took the prisoner, and found these gloves in her box - the key of the box was in a drawer.

Prisoner's Defence. The gloves were not in my box to my knowledge; my master drew a pot of beer for the baker, and asked me if I received the money for it regularly, I said yes, and the baker can prove it; I had that money from the baker's sister.

COURT to MR. HUMPHREYS. Q. Did the prisoner ever go to the till to get change? A. No, never.

Patrick Curway , and Lydia Richards, deposed as to the prisoner's good character.

GUILTY. Aged 22.

Recommended to mercy by the Jury .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-15
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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1039. HANNAH GREGORY and WILLIAM SADLER were indicted for stealing, on the 1st of July , 1 watch, value 7l.; 1 seal, value 2s.; 1 watch-key, value 1s.; 4 half-crowns; 7 shillings; and 2 sixpences, the property of John Middlemiss , from his person .

JOHN MIDDLEMISS. I am a mariner - I belong to the Anna, a merchant vessel. On Sunday night last, I was going on board my vessel, and the prisoner Gregory stopped me, and asked if I wanted a bed; I told her I did if it was convenient - it was then about eleven o'clock at night; it was in Glasshouse-street - I was much fatigued, but quite sober; I had been to see my son - Gregory took me to No. 1, Glasshouse-street, White's-yard ; it is a very indifferent house - she showed me into a room up stairs, and I went to bed - between eleven and twelve o'clock at night; I had seen Sadler in the room before, he wanted a drop of gin of me; I gave Gregory the money, and she fetched it - I was to sleep with Gregory, I had paid her for the room, and for sleeping with her. I pulled off my clothes before I went to bed - I had put my watch into my waistcoat pocket, the money stated was in my pantaloons pocket - I put them in a chair by the bed side, and my waistcoat I put below the bed-tick altogether - I went to bed and fell asleep, - I cannot say whether Gregory came to bed to me - I awoke within a quarter of five o'clock in the morning; my watch and money were all gone - I got on my clothes and went down; I found Sadler in bed in the lower part of the house; I asked him for my watch and money; he gave no answer, only a groan or two, and turned himself over - I had handled him to awake him - I am quite sure - I told him I had been robbed of my watch and money; I got an officer who went up stairs with me - I then left the officer there; I was not present when Gregory was taken, but I described her to the officer - I am sure she is the woman.

JAMES HOWARD . (police-constable H 105). The prosecutor described Gregory to me, and said he had been robbed; I went to the house with him, and searched the bed and room, but found nothing; I then went down and found Sadler in bed - he rents the house; he said he knew nothing about it, and he could not be answerable for what was done in his house. I took the servant who had the letting of the bed down to the office; and my brother officer took Sadler; he still said he knew nothing about it, but when we took him to Lambeth-street, he sent for me into the cell, gave me the key of his door, and told me where the watch was - I went and found it under the pressbedstead where he had been; it was wrapped in an old handkerchief; Mr. Powell who took this handkerchief off the prisoner's neck, is gone to Maidstone.

JOHN MIDDLEMISS . This is my watch, and this handkerchief was in my coat pocket.

Gregory's Defence. I unfortunately fell in with this good man, who asked me to take him home, which I did - he asked what he should give me, I said I should leave that to his generosity, he called the woman up and gave her one shilling and sixpence for the bed; he then gave me two half crowns - he asked me to lay down with him, which I did, for a little while; he then said I might go where I pleased; I went the next morning to get two gowns out of pawn, and as I was returning, the officer took me. I left the prosecutor asleep in Sadler's room - I ordered them to fasten the door; he had his watch safe when I left him - I had no more than what he paid me.

Sadler's Defence. The prosecutor came to me and said, that girl has taken my watch; I said I will go and see if I can find her - he went out of the house and came back with the officer, who took me to the station-house, where I remained till eleven o'clock - I was then taken to Lambeth-street; as we were going into the office, some other person went in, and we staid in the passage; two women stood there, and one said to the other, "I was told the watch was under the drawers;" I was glad to hear that, and I sent for the officer, and told him of it - he asked me to give him the key which I did, and I was rejoiced to think that the gentleman would get his watch again; the officer knows there is not a word untrue in what I have stated.

JAMES HOWARD. What I have said is true.



Of stealing, but not from the person .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-16

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1040. JAMES LEWIS was indicted for stealing, on the 7th of June , 1 close-stool, value 30s. , the goods of George William Gairdner .

RICHARD BATES . I know Mr. Gairdner's shop; he is a broker , and lives in Tottenham-court-road - on the 7th of June, I saw the prisoner near the shop, a little before two o'clock - he examined a close stool, which stood just within a rail; he lifted it over the rail, looked at it again, then put it on his shoulder, and walked off with it - I gave information, and he was pursued and taken one hundred yards from the shop, with the article - an officer took him.

CHARLES RICKMAN (Police-constable E 66). I took the prisoner, and have the property.

GEORGE WILLIAM GAIRDNER . I am a broker, this is my stool - I know nothing of the prisoner.

Prisoner. I am guilty of the offence, but distress drove me to do it; I am a cabinet-maker, but was out of employ for four months; I had no friend, nor food to eat.

GUILTY . Aged 26.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-17

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1041. CATHERINE MULLINS was indicted for stealing, on the 18th of May , 1 pair of shoes, value 5s. , the goods of Patrick Egan .

PATRICK EGAN . I live in Fitzroy-street . I came home to dinner at one o'clock, on the 18th of May; the prisoner was at my house, but she was a stranger to me; I saw her in my own room - there is a woman who takes care of my children, and the prisoner was an acquaintance of her's - the prisoner remained from the time I came in till I went away - I missed my shoes the next morning, which was Sunday; I suspected the prisoner - I saw her again the same day; I went in search of her, and found her in James-street, Lisson-grove; I taxed her with taking a pair of shoes, she denied it altogether; I gave her in charge; she was searched in my presence, and the duplicate of the shoes found upon her.

HENRY MATTHEW BAYFIELD . I am shopman to Mr. Gideon, a pawnbroker, in Lisson-grove. These shoes were pawned by the prisoner, on the 18th of May.

WILLIAM ELLIOTT (police-serjeant D 18). I took the prisoner on the Sunday, and found the duplicate of these shoes on her, pledged in the name of Collins; she at first denied knowing any thing about them.(Property produced and sworn to.)

Prisoner's Defence. The first day I came to London I met a woman, who said to me, "Come with me, you are a Grecian, I will get you a place;" I then saw the prosecutor, he took me to his place - I spent all my money there - he owed me two shillings, and his wife owed me three shillings, and they would not pay me - they were always saying they would get me a situation - I lived a fortnight in his house.

PATRICK EGAN . I know nothing of her, but by seeing her in my room when I came home; I had seen her there before, I can't say how often; she had never slept in the house - I never permitted her to pawn my shoes.

GUILTY . Aged 21.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-18
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1042. WILLIAM MUIR was indicted for stealing, on the 28th of May , at St. Martin in the fields, 16 pairs of boots, value 14l.; and 2 coats, value 6l., the goods of Joseph Pearce , his master, in his dwelling-house, and that he had been before convicted of felony .

JOHN PUGH (police-constable P 90). On Tuesday the 28th of May, I was on duty, and saw the prisoner at half-past three o'clock in the morning at the end of Hampton-street, Walworth-road, getting out of a cab, with a large bundle; this attracted my suspicion, I watched him down the street, he turned up Church-passage, and I went round the Walworth-road to meet him; I met him opposite Newington-church; I asked what he had got, he said a sample of boots, that he had come from the country, and he was going to take them to North-street, Bayawater - I said I must take him to the stationhouse, he said he had no objection; in going along he said he was going to take them to No. 122, Holborn - I found the prosecutor's name on the boots.

JOSEPH PEARCE . I am a boot and shoe maker , and live at No. 24, St. Martin's-lane, in the parish of St. Martin-in-the-fields ; it is my dwelling-house - I had known the prisoner about three weeks, but knew his family longer; he had been with me with an intention to be articled to me; I thought him a very respectable youth - on the 28th of May, about three o'clock in the morning, a policeman came to my bed-room door, and informed me our street-door was open; we got up; I went down, found the door wide open, and missed a great many things - I went to the prisoner's room, found his bed empty, and he was gone - I missed a great number of pairs of boots, two coats, 1l. 9s. in money, and other things; the value of the whole is about 20l.; these boots are my property.

JAMES MILLER . I am an inspector of police. I have a certificate of the prisoner's conviction which I got from Mr. Clarke's office; he had six week's imprisonment - I know the prisoner is the man. (read.)

GUILTY. Aged 28. - Recommended to Mercy by the Prosecutor, believing him not right in his head .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-19
VerdictsGuilty; Not Guilty

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1043. WILLIAM RIDDLE was indicted for stealing, on the 19th of May , 1 ham, value 9s., the property of Conrade Manger Webb , his master ; and JAMES GODWIN was indicted for feloniously receiving the same, well knowing the same to have been stolen .

ELIZA LAWRENCE . I am in the employ of Mr. Conrade Manger Webb, he is a cheesemonger , the prisoner Riddle was in his employ to serve in the shop ; I have been there two months, Riddle was there before I came; on the 19th of May about the time of lighting the lamps in the evening, Riddle knocked at the door; I let him in; he came into the shop and took a ham off the corner of the shelf; I told him his master would miss it; he said, Oh no, no, he would not, and if I would not say anything at all about it, he would send another ham down to my mother the next week - I understood by that, he would take another ham from my master - he took the ham out and gave it to Godwin, the driver of the omnibus just across the road, opposite our door - the ham was put into a red handkerchief, and Godwin drove off - I told the shopman of it the next morning, and he told my master.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Was your master out? A. Yes, it was on Sunday; my master came home that night, but I did not tell him of it that night - Riddle was not much intoxicated; I did not see any one but Godwin standing opposite; the omnibus was directly opposite my master's - Godwin was right opposite my master's house, and must have seen it - Riddle took it over in his hand.

CONRADE MANGER WEBB. I keep the shop. My shopman told me of this the next morning - I called Riddle into my room; he confessed that he took a ham on Sunday evening, and said he was sorry for what he had done, but he had taken a ham, and given it to the driver of the omnibus; I asked him why he had done so, he gave me no answer; I then sent for the officer; I could not miss the ham, I had so many.

HARRY VELLUM . I keep the Black Horse; the Harrow omnibus stops there - Godwin drove it and stopped there

regularly - on that Sunday he gave me a parcel to take care of; he told me it contained a ham - he asked me to direct it to go to Bath, which I did, but I cannot recollect the name of the person it was to go to.

Cross-examined. Q. I believe he has left parcels frequently? A. Yes.

THOMAS FRANKLIN . I am an officer. I took both the prisoners; Riddle told me he had been asked by a coachman, whom he did not know, to give him a rasher of ham, and he gave him a whole ham - I took Godwin, he said he knew nothing at all about it.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you stated that he was charged with stealing a ham? A. No, receiving one; he said he knew nothing of any ham whatever.

COURT. Q. Is this Mr. Rawlinson's hand-writing? A. Yes; this other is the writing of Mr. Phillips, the second clerk in the office - it was read over in presence of the prisoners (read) "The prisoner Riddle says I took the ham out of the shop, wrapped it up in a red handkerchief, and gave it to the coachman; he asked me first for a rasher - I rode down with him and back; he then said, get a small ham if you can; I was in liquor - the prisoner Godwin says I was in liquor."

ELIZA LAWRENCE re-examined. Q. Did you see the coachman at the time the ham was taken? A. No, not till I got to the door - I don't know whether Riddle got off the coachman's box.

Henry Wade, of Richard-street and Mr. Arnold, Little Towerhill, deposed to the previous good character of Riddle.

RIDDLE - GUILTY - Aged 18.


4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-20

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1044. ABRAHAM LEWIS was indicted for stealing on the 30th of May , 1 handkerchief, value 2s. 6d. , the goods of James Quinlan .

JANE QUINLAN . I am the wife of James Quinlan ; we keep a shoemaker's shop , No. 31, Brick-lane, Spitalfields . On the 30th of May the prisoner, with another young man came to our shop - the prisoner asked for a pair of shoes to fit him; he said, second-hand ones - I had been sitting in a chair, and my silk handkerchief was on that chair; the prisoner then sat down in it, and took the handkerchief up - when they were going out I followed them, and saw the prisoner give the other the handkerchief - he turned up Booth-street, and the prisoner went on - I had him taken.

Prisoner. Q. What is the reason you let me go out of the shop, and did not give charge of me? A. I followed him, and had him taken near the station - he offered a great deal of violence to me; they had not bought any shoes - the prisoner had no money on him.

CATHERINE QUINLAN . I remember the prisoner and another coming to the shop - the prisoner said, "Have you a pair of shoes to fit me?" he said, "I don't care what they are" - they did not buy any shoes - I had put the handkerchief in the chair the moment before they came in, and when they went out it was missing - my mother followed them.

JAMES THOMPSON . I am an officer; I searched the prisoner at the station; there was no money on him, and no handkerchief.

Prisoner. It don't stand to reason that she should see me take it, and yet let me go out of the shop.

JURY to JANE QUINLAN. Q. Did you see the prisoner take the handkerchief up? A. No, but I saw him give it to the other just out of the house - I know it was my handkerchief.

GUILTY . Aged 18.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-21

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1045. HENRY SULLIVAN was indicted for stealing, on the 21st of May , 1 pair of stanhope lamps, value 1l. 15s. , the goods of Edward Ives Fuller .

JOSEPH HARVEY . I am in the employ of Mr. Edward Ives Fuller , he is a coachmaster and lives in Margaret-street, Cavendish-square . I never saw the prisoner till the 21st of May, when he came and asked for Mr. Smith - I said Mr. Smith had been gone for four years, but Mr. Fuller was master now - I said "Do you want a job;" he said, Yes- I said I "don't think it is any use for we are very slack, but you may call in the morning" - he went up the yard- I thought him a long while; I looked and saw him with one lamp in his hand; he then lifted up a cloth, and took another - I went into the street and took hold of him; I said "This wont do" - he put down the lamps and I kept him till the officer took him.

Prisoner. Q. Did I not ask you who was the maker of them? A. Yes, I said it wont do - he was between two carriages when I saw him; he took the lamps from a chaise seven yards from where I stopped him; he had one in his hand, and then took another from the near side of a gig with his right hand.

Prisoner's Defence. I worked for Mr. Burner six months, and for Flanagan and Co. six months; but my employer is out of town as is usual with seedsmen at this time of the year.

GUILTY . Aged 26.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-22
VerdictNot Guilty

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1046. SAMUEL ATTWOOD was indicted for stealing, on the 10th of May , 1 pair of spectacles, value 15s. , the goods of James Dudderidge .

JAMES DUDDERIDGE . I live in Whitechapel . The prisoner has been a porter in my employ nearly three years; I missed these spectacles about two years ago, from a small drawer in a private nest of drawers at the bottom of the shop - there are no locks on the drawers, but I am sure the spectacles were left in them; I asked the prisoner what had become of them - he said he did not know; I said I should not be satisfied with that, I should expect them to be found - he said he had never seen them; they have since been found by and officer.

Cross-examined by MR. BARRY. Q. Are you quite sure it was two years ago that you mentioned the loss of them? A. I believe it is; I mentioned it to all the persons in my shop - I have not ascertained that a younger son of mine has had them since that time, and my eldest son took them from him - my eldest son is here, he lived in the house all the time the prisoner was there - I have had no reason to complain of my son's conduct; there was nothing occurred about a sovereign in January last - Daniels was then in my employ, but he did not give me any account of it.

JAMES EDWARD DUDDERIDGE . I am the prosecutor's son. I remember his losing his spectacles, and asking the prisoner about them; he said he had not seen them - it must be two years ago.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you a brother named Richard? A. Yes, I recollect taking the spectacles from his pocket, but that was before they were lost; he took them to school with him, and I took them from his pocket, and gave them to my father the same day - I did not give them to the prisoner for a pair of braces - I had used a pair of braces of the prisoner's, and I afterwards gave him one shilling and a penny for them.

COURT. Q. When your brother took the spectacles what age was he? A. About five or six years old.

THOMAS EAGLES . I am an officer of Worship-street. I have a pair of spectacles which I found in a writting-desk at No. 20, Anglesea-street, Waterloo-town - I found the key of the desk on the prisoner.(Property produced and sworn to.)


4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-23

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1047. SARAH BRANKLEY was indicted for stealing, on the 3rd of June , 63 cigars, value 5s.; 3 pints of rum, value 3s.; 1 table-cloth, value 1s.; 2 handkerchiefs, value 3s.; 2 napkins, value 2s.; 1 apron, value 1s.; 6 shillings; 17 sixpences; 184 pence; and 470 halfpence, the property of Colville Brown , her master .

SARAH BALL . I am in the service of Mr. Colville Brown, he keeps the Blue posts, Charlotte-street, Fitzroy-square . The prisoner was servant there; I am barmaid- on the 3rd of June, I was cleaning the counter, and heard the chinking of coppers in the bar parlour - I went there and saw the prisoner taking coppers out of a bowl in the cupboard which is usually put there every night - the prisoner was servant of all work; she had nothing to do with the business or the money - I asked her what she was doing - she said, Nothing - I took one shilling and a halfpenny in copper from her hand; she had rolled it up in a glass cloth to take it away - when my mistress came down I told her of it; I was called up-stairs afterwards, and saw found in her box, sixty-three cigars, three pints of rum, a quantity of halfpence, and pence, and shillings, and sixpences.

CHARLOTTE BROWN . I am the wife of Colville Brown. The prisoner had been my servant for twelve months; I called her into the parlour, and told her what I had heard - she stood for a minute, and then asked who told me - I said the barmaid - she did not deny but that she had taken the money; I then asked to see her box - she went up and opened it; I found the cigars, the rum, and the money in it - the table-cloths, the handkerchiefs, and other things were found on her person; my husband had missed halfpence from time to time - I have every reason to believe the cigars were ours - these napkins are mine, and were on her person.

WILLIAM OSBORN (Police-constable E 38). I took the prisoner and the property.

Prisoner. I am truly sorry for what I have done - I hope my mistress will recommended me to mercy.

GUILTY . Aged 35.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-24

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1048. JAMES BISGROVE was indicted for stealing, on the 25th of May , 1 pair of trousers, value 10s. , the goods of Peter Pige .

JAMES SHILLINGFORD . I live at No. 13, Little Bacon-street, Bethnal-green. I know Mr. Pige, he is a pawnbroker , and lives at the corner of Swan-street, in Church-street, Bethnal-green - on the 25th of May, I saw the prisoner near his shop for about three minutes, he was alone - I was going on an errand; I saw him snatch something from outside the shop, and run off with it - it was something black; I had my slippers on at the time, but I gave information, and another person pursued him - he was taken in a quarter of an hour or twenty minutes; as soon as I saw him I said he was the person - I am quite certain of him.

Prisoner. When I was at Worship-street he said I put them into my apron - I am a boot and shoemaker - I had an apron on. Witness. My evidence will prove to the contrary - I said he put them under his arm and ran away.

PETER PIGE. I am owner of the shop. My attention was drawn to this circumstance on the 25th of May by the witness saying that a young man had taken something; I went out and saw a youth running - I followed him about three quarters of a mile, till I got to the Gibralter - I was then exhausted; a person asked what I was running for - I said "That fellow has stolen something" - he said"I will catch him for you;" I said thank you - when I came up I found the young man who offered to stop him standing over the prisoner; the prisoner was on the ground, and the young man said the prisoner had struck him in the eye - I took hold of the prisoner, he got up and kicked me in the groin; I still held him, he kicked me again; the people gathered round him; I got him down again, he got up and bit me through my coat and waistcoat to my breast, and fetched blood - a policeman came up and took him - I then heard that a pair of trousers had been thrown into a garden - I saw them, they are mine.

Prisoner. Directly he came up he threw me down on the ground; I never hit him at all, nor said a word to him- he kicked me. Witness. He kicked me first very violently, I acknowledge I afterwards struck him in my own defence.

GEORGE ALDER . I saw the prosecutor in pursuit of the prisoner, he asked me to pursue him for him, which I did for about two hundred yards - I saw him throw something away over a garden, and these trousers were picked up there afterwards - when I got up to the prisoner he struck me in the face, and gave me a black eye; in the struggle I got him on the ground, he then kicked me in the face, and cut my eye.

Prisoner. When he came up to me I was walking, he threw me on the ground, and said, "I have got you;" I said, What for, he would not tell me.

CHARLES EAST (police-constable H 33). I took the prisoner, and have the trousers - I heard a cry of Police, I ran, and saw the prosecutor struggling with the prisoner; he gave me charge of him - I then went to No. 9, King-street, and a witness brought these trousers to the door, which the prosecutor claimed.

THOMAS PAGE . I observed something coming over the wall of a garden, but what I could not tell, when the prosecutor came to the door; I went into the garden, and found these trousers, which he said were his.

GUILTY . Aged 15.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-25
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1049. CHARLES CRANSTONE was indicted for stealing, on the 14th of June , at St. Mary-le-bone, 2 tables, value 3l.; 1 plough-plane and 8 irons, value 10s.; 1 brace and 24 bits, value 10s.; 2 saws, value 8s.; 1 coat, value 15s.; 2 waistcoats, value 15s.; and 1 pair of trousers, value 10s., the goods of George Scott , in his dwelling-house .

GEORGE SCOTT . I live at No. 18, Little Queen-street, Upper George-street, Edgware-road, in the parish of St. Marylebone ; it is my dwelling-house - I am a cabinet maker by trade, and I took the prisoner with an intention of teaching him the trade; he had been about six weeks with me - on the 14th of June, I was down at the east end of the town, and came home at ten or eleven o'clock at night; I found the key inside the window, where it generally was left; the prisoner had been there when I left at seven o'clock, but when I got back there was no one there- I did not miss anything that night - I was not much surprised at the prisoner being away, as he had been absent a night or two before, and had slept at his brother's, at Westminster; this was Friday night - the next morning I missed the two tables and my clothes - I went to his brother's to see for him, and when I came home at night I missed my tools; I have found nearly the whole of the property - he was taken on the Monday from my information - I went to the office, and found him with some of my clothes on - I found one of the duplicates on the table by the washing place on the Saturday morning - I then went to the pawnbroker, who told me a young man had pawned two tables there the night before.

JAMES WALLIS . I am a pawnbroker. On the 14th of June the prisoner brought these two tables, and pawned them with me at No. 11, George-street, Bryanstone-square.

JOHN M'GILL (police-constable E 29). I received information on the Monday, and took the prisoner; in going along he took two duplicates out of his pocket, and gave them to me; he then took a bottle out of his pocket, and broke it; I found on him a tobacco-pipe - the duplicates he gave me were of these tools - I asked him whose clothes he had on, he said they were not his.

HENRY MATTHEW BAYFIELD . I am in the service of Mr. Gideon, a pawnbroker at Lisson-grove. I have a plough, twenty-four bits, two saws, and some other tools, which were pawned, I think, by the prisoner; these duplicates found on the prisoner were given for them.

GEORGE SCOTT. These are my property, they are worth more than stated at in the indictment.

Prisoner. I can prove that part of the property belonged to a brother of mine, and was lent to me to work for the prosecutor.

MR. SCOTT. It is all mine, except one saw; I had seen it secure at seven o'clock, when I went out; I went to my chest, and my clothes and tools were all safe - I have known the prisoner from a child, and have entrusted him to get in monies; I believe he always acted honestly.

GUILTY. Aged 18. - Recommended to Mercy by the Prosecutor .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-26

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1050. RICHARD DARBY was indicted for stealing, on the 19th of May , 1 brooch, value 10s., and 8 sovereigns , the property of Sarah Darby .

SARAH DARBY . I am single ; the prisoner is my brother's son - I lodged in Field-street at the time of this robbery, but my box had been at my brother's for twelve months - on the 19th of May, I missed a brooch and eight sovereigns from it; I had seen it safe about a month before; the prisoner lived at home with his father, and slept in the room where the trunk was; he was taken in about ten days afterwards - I have not seen the money since.

GEORGE HAVILL (police-serjeant N 9). I live in River-street, Islington. On the 4th of June, I took the prisoner sitting on a stone in Chapel-street, Pentonville; I asked if his name was not Darby, he said, No; I said, "I am certain you are the person" - in going to the station-house, he mentioned two boys who had had part of the money, and requested him to do it; I said, "You had better say nothing;""Oh! No, no," he said; he then said they had robbed him of part of it; I asked him how, he said one of them had kept the change of a sovereign for a pot of beer - I found on him this box of powder, which he said he had bought of a waterman, at Gravesend, to poison fish; and that a landlord there had kept him till all his money was gone, and then sent him home to London - he also said he did not break the box open.

SAMUEL DARBY . I keep the house; the prisoner is my son - he left my house on the Saturday, and told my wife he should be in in ten minutes if I should want him; I never saw him again for about a fortnight, when he was at the office.

GUILTY . Aged 16.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-27
VerdictNot Guilty

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1051. SARAH HARRIS and JANE FIELD were indicted for stealing, on the 19th of June , 1 watch, value 5l.; 3 seals, value 15s.; 2 watch-keys, value 8s.; and 1 chain, value 2s., the property of William Reeve , from his person .

WILLIAM REEVE. I live in Whitemore-terrace, Hoxton-new-town. On the evening of the 19th of June, I was passing Drury-lane, it was about half-past ten o'clock, when I met the two prisoners; who were strangers to me, they asked me to go with them - they took me into a house in Charles-street, Drury-lane - I then, at their request, sent for a quartern of gin - I gave Harris fourpence to fetch it, and it was divided between the three of us - I then gave Harris a shilling, she went out, but Field staid in the room with me; I fell off in a doze - I rather think there had been something put into the gin which I drank, to make me go off to sleep - I awoke in about an hour or two, by Field drawing my watch from me - I saw Harris receive it from her, and run out with it; there was another person there whom I consider Harris had brought in - the person was dressed in woman's clothes, and she gave me a blow on the eye which gave me a black eye, and knocked me backward - when Field gave the watch to Harris, she said, "Run," and they all three ran off together; I went after them as soon as I could - when I got to the door, the first person I saw was a policeman- I gave him information - I went back into the house and stopped till daylight; I then walked round the beat with the policeman, but could not see the prisoners - I went the next day, by the officer's direction, and saw the

two prisoners together - I took Harris, and said she was one of them; Field had been drinking at that time, and her face was red, I did not know her features, but when I saw her again, her features were paler and I knew her; I can swear the two prisoners are the persons - the watch was worth £5., there were three seals worth 10s., two keys worth 8s., and a chain worth 2s.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. What are you? A. A fancy trimming maker. I was out of employ, and had been out seeking a situation - I had been about the West-end of the town - at five o'clock I sat down with a friend of mine - I had part of a pint of ale at a house - I don't know the sign of it, it was not far from St. Giles' church; that was the only house I had been at - my friend went home - he is in the same line of business I am; I don't know his name - I have seen him several times before; I was sober when I met the prisoners, and all I had with them was a quartern of gin - I laid on the bed in their room - all my things were off, but my drawers - I tucked my watch in the waistband of my drawers, and fastened the chain round the waistband, without making any hole - I gave Harris the shilling to sleep with me, she went away, but Field stopped, and said, it was all as one.

JURY. Q. Had you had nothing but the part of the pint of ale and of the gin? A. No; I was not intoxicated, I was affected and fell into a doze - the prisoners partook of the gin after me; I did not see anything put into the gin - I put my watch in the top part of the waistband of my drawers, I then rolled it round and fastened the chain three or four times round - I ran after them the moment I recovered from the blow - I had not my trousers on when I met the policeman - I then went back and put my trousers on.

COURT. Q. Had you any money? A. No; only the fourpence I gave for the gin, and the shilling I gave to Harris.

MICHAEL CALL . (police-constable, F 149). I live in Short's-gardens, Drury-lane. On the morning of the 19th of June, I was coming down Charles-street, about one o'clock - I saw the two prisoners running in a direction from No. 49 - I went on to No. 49, and saw the prosecutor in the passage, he said, two girls had robbed him of his watch; I told him to come round my beat and see if we could see them, but we could not - I waited till he was dressed.

Cross-examined. Q. Did he seem to take it quietly? A. Yes, and I told him so at the time - he waited till I came to the door, and spoke quietly to me - he had no coat or waistcoat on - he looked rather drowsy, and as if he had been drinking in the fore part of the night.

JURY. Q. Had he his trousers on when you came to the door? A. Yes; but not his coat or waistcoat.

COURT. Q. Recollect yourself, are you certain about that; A. Yes, he had them on, and I waited till he put on his coat and waistcoat.

JOHN SMITH (police-constable, F 69). On the evening of the 19th of June, the prosecutor came to the station-house, and I went with him in search of the prisoners - we met them about ten o'clock in the evening - the prosecutor said, "That is the party;" I told him to go in front of them, and be sure - he said, Harris was one, but he could not be quite sure of the other - I took Harris to the station-house, and the next morning she said she had fetched the gin from the Sun, in Brownlow-street; Field came to look after her, and then the prosecutor said, he was certain of her, and she was taken into custody; she denied it.

COURT to REEVE. Q. When you went to the door, were your trousers on or off? A. They were off - the policeman is mistaken.

MICHAEL CALL . His trousers were on when I met him at the door - I will swear.

Harris's Defence. I never saw the prosecutor till the night I was taken.


4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-28

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1052. CHARLOTTE BEAZLEY was indicted for stealing, on the 16th of May , at St. Mary, Islington, 6 pairs of sheets, value 3l. 3s.; 7 towels, value 10s.; 1 glazier's diamond, value 10s.; 8 sovereigns and 16 half-crowns; and 2 £10 bank notes, the property of Stephen Lucas , her master, in his dwelling house .

STEPHEN LUCAS. I live at No. 9, Brunswick-place, Ball's-pond-road, in the parish of St. Mary, Islington , it is my dwelling-house; the prisoner was my servant for two years and a quarter, up to the 16th of May within two weeks; her time would have been out two weeks after she ran away - on Wednesday, the 15th of May, I called her into the parlour, and told her that some of my linen I understood had been sold in London, and she must give some account of it - she cried, and said she knew nothing at all about it, and that somebody was endeavouring to injure her character - on the 16th I said nothing to her, but went to London to make inquiries, and when I came back she had run away - I then examined and missed a great deal of linen, two £10 Bank of England notes, and eleven pounds in gold and half-crown pieces, which had been in a purse in the burean where I put my linen - I always keep it locked and the key in my pocket - it was locked when I went away, and when I came back I found nothing amiss with the lock - I had missed some towels and a glazier's diamond, two months before - I cannot say when I lost these - I lost all my sheets but two pair - I lost more than five, or six, or seven pair - the sheets, notes, and money, were all mine; in short, the money I had laid by to pay taxes with - I went to Bow-street, and there I was sent to Hatton-garden; they sent me to the station-house at Islington, and they sent me to Kingsland, and there the particulars were taken down - the notes had both been changed - I found from information from the milk-woman, that one of them had been changed at the King's-arms, in Kingsland-road; I went there, and the landlady showed me the note - she had more notes, but I identified one of £10 as one of those I had lost - I had put my own name on the back of it, the persons name I took it of, and the time I took it - I am quite sure I had not passed it; it never went out of my hands from the time I received it, till it was taken from me - I went to the King's-arms on the Sunday after the prisoner ran away; (I think about the 19th or 20th) - the other £10 note was paid into the Bank of England - I saw it at the Police-office, Worship-street, last Saturday; it was one of those I lost - it had the same name and mark on the back of it as the other; the Magistrate handed it to me to see whether it was my name and hand-writing on the back of it, and I

said yes - I have discovered that the woman who lives with the prisoner's father, sold two of my towels - I have seen them again, and can swear to them as my property - I saw them at Mary Mc Donald's, in Belton-street, Long-acre;(looking at them) these are them, they have the letter L marked on them, as all my linen has - to the best of my belief, these are my towels - I don't know when I lost them, but at the latter end of April, I was taken with the influenza, and my wife also; we were in separate rooms, and as we had no one but the prisoner, we were obliged to give her the keys; she saw where our property was, and I have no doubt took these things - here is the note I found at the King's-arms; it has my writing on the back of it - I am certain I had not parted with it - the sheets have not been found, nor the sovereigns, nor the half-crowns - I went down to Reading, in Berkshire, to hunt the prisoner up - she had £6 a year wages, and tea and sugar.

Cross-examined by MR. BARRY. Q. Then your family consisted of yourself, your wife, and the prisoner? A. Yes, that was all - I took these two £10 notes from Mr. Martin, for the furniture of my house in Frith-street, on the 9th of May; I put them into my purse the same day- I don't allow my wife the use of my keys; she is in a childish state; she is a weak woman in the head, which arose from a paralytic stroke in the head - I never found that my wife had been trying a key to one of my drawers, and broken part of it in the lock - I had not looked at these notes from the 9th of May, till I missed them on the 16th, when the prisoner had run away - I had gone out every day except Sundays - I had no friends to visit me; we have been there but a short time, and our friends have not come there - I cannot undertake to say that no friend had called on me, but they had not gone up stairs - I go out to buy all the provisions except the bread, which the baker brings, but he does not come into the garden - I cannot fix on the date on which I lost any of my property, but I missed it on the 16th - the prisoner had left my service on account of her father and mother being ill with the cholera morbus, and she returned; but not with my consent; my housekeeper took her in - my housekeeper left me on Easter Monday; she wished to go away because I wished to buy every thing myself, and she had been in the habit of buying when in London, but I thought I could buy things cheaper, and so I did - the prisoner did not leave me to go to pay her cousin a visit - I undertake to state, that she ran away; she left me without notice, and did not return.

CATHERINE GIBSON . I am the wife of Thomas Gibson , he lives at No. 2, Ball's-pond-road, and is a milkman, I knew the prisoner, as Mr. Lucas's servant; about nine weeks ago - (I think it was early in May,) she came one evening to my house, and asked if I knew where there was a jeweller - I said there was a new pawnbroker's-shop opened, and I wentthere with her, she bought a pair of earrings which came to eight shillings, she then went home- she afterwards asked me to go to tea with her sister, and on Sunday the 12th of May she came to my house, and came into the bed-room with a small bundle in her hand, which she placed on the table and asked me if I was ready - she said she had purchased two flannel waistcoats for her father; who was much troubled with the rheumatism, and she had given five shillings a piece for them- a little before four o'clock she lifted up the waistcoats, and took a small bit of paper from under them, which contained a sovereign and one shilling and sixpence - she asked me to put it into my purse, as she had neither pocket nor purse, which I did, and a little before four o'clock, we left my house and walked as far as Shoreditch Church- she then said she would ride, and she asked a coachman what he would take her to Parker-street, Drury-lane for - he said, three shillings and sixpence - we got in and went there to her father's - and in the evening we went to her sister's - between eight and nine o'clock in the evening, she engaged a cab and returned to Ball's-pond turnpike, it came to two shillings and sixpence - I gave her the sovereign at her father's; she paid for the coach and gave me the remainder of the change to take care of till we returned home - this was on the 12th, and on the 13th she came to my house at half-past two o'clock, and said, she wanted change for a £10 note for her mistress - I had seen her mistress twice - I took the note out of her hand, and said, I did not think I could get change, but I would send and see; I sent my servant to the barn, and told her the young woman at No. 9, Brunswick-place wanted change - the girl returned in about ten minutes, and gave the change to the prisoner - I did not have it, but I saw gold on the back parlour mantel-piece; the prisoner then asked me if I would go with her to have a tooth drawn, I said no.

Cross-examined. Q. Then I suppose on the 13th you went to Mr. Lucas? A. Yes, I went every day, generally in the morning, but sometimes I call in an afternoon - I supplied milk every day till Mr. Lucas dismissed me, in consequence of the note being changed at my house - I did not tell Mr. Lucas on the 13th what had been done, because I did not know but it was for her mistress - I had no suspicion - I did not know Mrs. Lucas was a weak woman - I believed the prisoner brought it from her because she said so - I had supplied the house with milk before Mr. Lucas came to it - the earrings were a low price I thought - I did not see the flannel waistcoats.

MARIA MARIGOLD . I am servant to the last witness - I remember the prisoner coming to her house on the 13th of May, and asking my mistress to get change for a £10 note for her mistress - I was standing by at the time; my mistress told her she did not think she could, but she would send and see - she gave the note into my hand to go to the barn - I went there and saw my master - I said "The servant at No. 9, is come for change for a £10 note" - my master took it into the barn, but did not get change there - we then went to the King's Arms - I waited outside, and he went in - when he came out of Mrs. Wicks's, he gave me nine sovereigns and two half sovereigns, and I went back and gave them to the prisoner - she went into my mistress's backroom, and said to my mistress "Will you mind this?" my mistress said "No, mind it yourself" - the prisoner then said"I will throw it down here on the floor" - I made answer"Don't throw it down, put it on the mantel-piece" - she then put nine sovereigns and a half on the mantel-piece and took a half sovereign away - my mistress did not hear her say this as she was in an agitation, because master was not come in from the barn - it was a quarter after three, and they always go before three with the milk - the prisoner then asked my mistress to go with her to have a tooth drawn -

she said she did not like to see any one's tooth drawn, and then she asked her to let me go - and I went - she had the tooth drawn, and paid a shilling and changed the half sovereign - we then went to a large comb-shop facing the Bull at Kingsland, where she bought a purse for one shilling and sixpence, a pair of snaps for five shillings, and a comb, and she had not money enough to pay for them, as she had bought a hair brush and two side combs at Mr. Rogers, where she had her tooth drawn - she then sent me to my mistress for half a sovereign more - I went home, and my mistress gave me the nine sovereigns and a half, and said, "Take that and give it into Mary's hand for I don't like to have any one's money but my own" - I went and gave it her.

Cross-examined. Q. I suppose you had not often seen £10 notes? A. No, I never saw one before - I should not know the note again - I lost sight of it. I have heard my mistress say, she thought this was Mrs. Lucas's note, and I heard the prisoner ask my mistress to take care of the money because she was going to have the tooth drawn, and when I went back I found the money on the shelf - it did not strike my mistress to go to Mr. Lucas- she was all in an agitation - my mistress was in the shop when the prisoner said, if she did not take the money she would throw it on the floor - my mistress could not hear her very well, but I told my mistress what she had said - I did not go to Mr. Lucas that night - I did not say anything about it till the custom was taken away - Mr. Lucas came on the Sunday morning, and asked my master to let me go and show him where the note was taken, and on the Sunday after that he stopped the milk.

COURT. Q. You say you thought this note was Mrs. Lucas's, but you saw the prisoner change one half sovereign and then another half sovereign? A. Yes, and I told my mistress of it - I cannot say what my mistress said - the prisoner did not tell me to say nothing about it - I heard on the Sunday that Mr. Lucas had lost his notes; when my mistress went to the house with the milk, and then Mr. Lucas came to our house, and said, My servant has run away and taken two £10 notes, my mistress said "She brought one here for her mistress," and told him where it was changed.

MR. BARRY to CATHERINE GIBSON . Q. Did you tell Mr. Lucas of it at the gate? A. Yes as soon as he spoke to me about it - I recollect my servant telling me that the prisoner said she would throw the money on the ground.

Q. Do you still persist in saying that you thought the note was Mrs. Lucas's? A. Yes - I had no reason to think otherwise; I had no reason to doubt the prisoner's honesty.

COURT. Q. The girl told you the prisoner had spent the two half sovereigns, did that excite no suspicion in your mind? A. I can't say it did.

THOMAS GIBSON . On the 13th May the girl brought me a £10 note, and said her mistress sent her to get change- I took it to Mr. Wicks, at the King's Arms; I did not open it, but I had no other note - I gave the change to the girl.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you know whether it was a £10 note? A. I never opened it; I counted the money - there were nine sovereigns and two half-sovereigns.

Q. Do you mean to attempt to make the Jury believe that you would take a piece of paper in your hand, and take the nine sovereigns and two half-sovereigns for it, and not open the paper? A. I am upon my oath - I did not open it at all.

FRANCES WICKS . I live at the King's Arms, Kingsland-road. On the 13th of May Mr. Gibson brought a £10 note to me - I gave him nine sovereigns and two half-sovereigns; my son marked the note in my presence - this is the note; on the Sunday following Mr. Lucas came; I showed him the note - he said it was his.

Cross-examined. Q. I suppose you have a pretty good business? A. Not too much - I did not change any other £10 note that day; I changed two in the course of the week afterwards - my sister and my son assist me, but all the money is given to me, and I keep it in my pocket; this is the note - here is "Mr. Gibson, 13th May, 1833," written on it.

ROBERT WICKS . This is the note - I wrote on the back of it - I am the son of Frances Wicks.

MR. LUCAS. This is one of the notes I lost - here is"Mr. Martin, 9th May, 1833," on the back of it, and my own name in my writing.

JOSEPH MELLISH (police-serjeant N 5). I took the prisoner, from information, in a house in Earl-street, Chelsea; I asked her if her name was Charlotte Beazley - she said no; I asked if she had lived with Mr. Lucas - she said no, she had not; a woman in the house said, "What a wicked story-teller you are, your name is Charlotte Beazley;" I then asked to look at her box, and she told a little girl to get her box - she brought a box down, and the woman said, "That is not your box;" I then requested the woman to go up stairs with the prisoner and me, which she did, and pointed out a box, which I requested the prisoner to open - she did open it, and took these drops of ear-rings and this necklace in her hand, and walked off and tried to conceal them; I took them, and found in her box this piece of linen and this pieces of calico; I took her to the station-house, and asked her where she had put her luggage which she had brought from the country - she said at her sister's - I went there, and found some dirty linen, but nothing relating to this indictment.

Cross-examined. Q. I believe these are such articles as she would buy to wear? A. Oh yes.

THOMAS HALL . I live at No. 6, Dalston Road. I recollect a young woman coming to our shop, at the latter end of April or the beginning of May - she bought this piece of cloth, a black silk dress, and some other things; I cannot be upon my oath but to the best of my belief it was the prisoner - they came to about four pounds, and were to be sent home to Ball's-pond.

Cross-examined. Q. Don't you think it was before the 10th of May? A. I think so.

JAMES MOORE . I live at Ball's-pond. I know the prisoner; she has come as a customer to my shop three times- the last time was about the 20th of May; I think she has made two purchases since the 9th of May, but I have not the memorandum with me; they came to about thirty shillings - these are part of the goods.

Prisoner's Defence. I know nothing at all of the robbery.

GUILTY . Aged 20.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-29
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1052. FREDERICK BISHOP was indicted for embezzlement .

MR. DOANE conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM WOOLEY . I manage the business for Mr. Kenworthy, at the City-basin, in the City-road - the prisoner was carman there; he delivered goods which arrived by the boats; he was to receive the money for them and to account to me for what he received - on the 15th of May , I sent him to Mr. Armfield's, in Cateaton-street, with a box, for which he was to receive seven shillings and sixpence; he never accounted to me for that - on the 18th of May I sent him with two crates to Chester-quay, for which he was to receive from the wharfinger two pounds three shillings, he did not account to me for that - he had afterwards to go to Thompson and Hankey's, in Mincing-lane, and to receive two pounds, five shillings, and five pence; he did not account to me for that - I live on the wharf; and when he came home on the 18th I was at dinner; I saw it was him - he then went to get his dinner, as I supposed, and did not return - I did not see him again till the Sunday week, when I met him in the street, and he gave himself up to me; I went with him to the station-house, and the officer asked him what he had done with the money; he said he had spent it all - there had been no threat or inducement held out to him; I did not hear him say where he had been.

COURT. Q. Does Mr. Kenworthy ever receive the money from the prisoner himself. A. No, he lives at Manchester - the prisoner ought to have accounted to me only for what he received.

SAMUEL JOHNSTONE . I am warehouseman to Mr. Richard Armfield, No. 9, Cateaton-street. On the 15th of May the prisoner brought a box, which came from Birmingham by the prosecutor's boats; I paid him seven shillings and sixpence for it - he gave me this receipt which I saw him write.

THOMAS BARBER . I am assistant to Mr. Joseph Barber, of Chester-quay, a wharfinger. On the 18th of May, the prisoner brought two crates of earthenware; I paid him two pounds three shillings - he gave me this receipt.

RICHARD HENRY JONES . I am clerk to Thompson, Hankey, and Co. of Mincing-lane. On the 18th of May, the prisoner brought thirteen bags of nails - I paid him 2l. 5s. 6d., for the carriage; I paid him one penny more than was due - he gave me this receipt for it.

WILLIAM HORNSBY (police-constable N 124). I took the prisoner and found on him this pocket-knife - on the Monday, as I was taking him to Hatton-garden, I said, "I suppose you had some enjoyment out of this money;" he said, "Yes, I went down to Birmingham with a party, and when I got there I had but eight or ten shillings left, and they robbed me of that, and left me to get to London as well as I could."

GUILTY.* Aged 18 - Recommended to Mercy by Prosecutor and Jury . - Confined Six Months .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-30

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1052. ELIZABETH SIMMONS was indicted for stealing, on the 27th of June , 1 watch value 20s.; 1 chain value 2d.; 2 seals value 7s.; and 1 watch-key value 2s. the property of Francis Spencer .

FRANCIS SPENCER . I live in the lower part of Rotherhithe. I met the prisoner last Thursday night, the 27th of June, between eleven and twelve o'clock; she asked me to go with her; I went with her to a lodging-house in Wentworth-street - I went up stairs, went to bed, and fell asleep; I awoke a little while after, the prisoner was gone also my watch and money - I had nine or ten shillings, and a few coppers - I had my watch in my pocket when I went to the house; I had been drinking; I began to drink just after dinner, about twelve o'clock - I was nearly tipsy, but I am able to say that my watch and money were safe when I got to Wentworth-street; my money was in a purse in my pocket - I pulled off my clothes when I went to bed; I pulled my watch out of my pocket first, put it on a chair, and then my clothes on the top of it - when I missed the prisoner, the watch, and money, I went and told the landlord of the house of it - I then went up stairs, and went to bed again, and went to sleep - I was afterwards awoke by the policeman and the prisoner coming up stairs; the policeman asked me if she was the person who had been with me; I said, yes - he searched her, and found my watch upon her; I value it at a guinea.

Prisoner. Q. Was it not wanting a quarter to ten when I met you? A. No, it was later than eleven.

SAMUEL GREEN (police-constable H 61). I went to the prisoner's lodgings, in Flower and Dean-street; I found her, and said I wanted her to go with me to Wentworth-street; she went and I took her up stairs, and asked the prosecutor if she was the woman; he said, she was - I found this watch in her bosom, which the prosecutor claimed - I found two half-crowns, and four-pence in copper in her pocket; my brother-officer then felt round her, and five medals which the prosecutor claims, were found in the pocket of her stays.(Property produced and sworn to.)

GUILTY . Aged 30.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-31

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OLD COURT. Friday, 5th July, 1833.

Second Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Serjeant Arabin.

1053. WILLIAM BITTON was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Joseph Norbury , on the 26th of June , at St. Mary Melfelon, alias Whitechapel, and stealing therein, 1 brass cock, value 19s.; the goods of the said Joseph Norbury and another .

MR. BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

JOSEPH NORBURY . I am a coppersmith , and live at No. 202, Whitechapel-road, in the parish of Saint Mary, Whitechapel . On the 26th of June, I was called up about half-past twelve, or near one o'clock in the night. I opened my window and saw a man outside who desired me to come down stairs - the prisoner at that time was struggling with the police - I went down and found three shutters removed, and a square of glass broken in the window, there had been a great many brass cocks in my window, within the reach of the broken glass - the house had been quite secured the night before.

COURT. Q. Was the prisoner an entire stranger to you? A. Quite.

- MORRIS. I am a policeman. I was on duty in Whitechapel, and in going down Whitechapel-road, I turned my head, looked across the road and observed

Mr. Norbury's shutters down. I stood still a second or two, and heard glass fall on the pavement; I walked across and saw the prisoner accompanied by two women, standing close to Mr. Norbury's window, where the shutters had been removed; I saw him take something out of the window and give it to the women - I could not see what it was- I immediately took him into custody; he made dreadful resistance, but I never lost sight of him.

JOHN NEWMAN . I am a policeman. I was on duty on the night in question. I searched in the neighbourhood of the place, and found a brass cock about a yard and a half from the broken window.

WILLIAM CARTER . I am apprentice to Mr. Norbury. I went down on hearing the alarm - this brass cock had been in master's window that night.

ROBERT WAY . I am a tailor. I was going home from the theatre on the night in question, when I got near the prosecutor's house, I saw the prisoner at the window, and heard the glass broken - the policeman took hold of him before I got up.

Prisoner's Defence. On the night in question, I was coming by the place and was accosted by two females, who asked where I was going - I was very much intoxicated; I told them I was going home; while I stood talking to them, the policeman came up and secured me, and charged me with taking this, and at the office he swore he saw me take it.

GUILTY .* Aged 21.

4th July 1833
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1054. JOHN WILLIAMS was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Algeron Disney , on the 31st of May , at St. Marylebone, and stealing therein, 1 spencer, value 30s.; 1 shift, value 3s.; 1 night-gown, value 3s.; 1 sword, value 3l.; 1 china ornament, value 1l. 10s.; and 1 drawing, value 10s., his property .

ALGERON DISNEY. I live in Old Quebec-street, in the parish of Marylebone . On the 31st of May, I went out about five o'clock in the evening. I left nobody in the house (I am rather shy of answering questions, as I believe the other party who was in the house, is in Court, and he will avail himself of what I say, as he had been hovering about the house) I left the door fastened, the street door was locked, and I had the key in my pocket. I left all my property perfectly secure - I returned just about one o'clock in the morning, and found the street door shut, but I have a door at the foot of my stairs very strongly secured by a patent lock, and I found that door split all to pieces. The street door was on the latch just as I had left it, but the inner door was broken - I heard some persons moving up stairs; I immediately went out of the street door - there were two crow-bars by the side of the door. I went out and met only one person in the street (that was Cohen), I said to him, There are housebreakers in my house, will you go in with me; he said, He did not like; I asked him to remain by the street door to seize anybody if they escaped, while I got a policeman, he said, he would. I went about twenty yards round the corner, got a policeman, and when I came back, I found the prisoner in the hands of Cohen struggling; I saw nobody else - he was secured. I went up stairs with the two policemen, and found everything overturned. On the first floor they had broken a box containing women's apparel, and all the things were piled up on the floor ready to be carried away, and two or three portmantua's were put ready to be taken away. A sword had been brought down stairs and laid in the passage - articles to a considerable amount had been moved; the property stated in the indictment was part of it - the party had entered by a false key, and two days before, I found a broken skeleton key in the latch.

JAMES COHEN . I keep a grocer's shop, and live within five doors of Disney. He requested me to stand at the door while he went for a policeman - I stood at the door, and in about a minute the prisoner and another rushed out; I seized them both - the other got away from me; the prisoner I held by the coat till the policeman came to my assistance - I could not identify the other man to be certain of him; I held the prisoner - the policeman searched him but found nothing - I saw the crow-bar in the house, and the property on the floor - when the prisoner first came out, he said he was not the man, that he had come round the corner, and why did I hold him- I had seen him come out at the door.

Prisoner. Q. When you came up to me, I was within seven or eight yards of the door after turning the corner? A. You were on the curb - it was only the breadth of the flag stone from the door - I seized him immediately he came out - I seized them both.

Q. I told you a man had passed by, and you were mistaken in my person? A. There was not another person in the street.

JOHN WEST . I am a policeman. I was on duty in Oxford-street, and heard a noise in Quebec-street - I saw two persons come out of the prosecutor's house - Cohen seized them; a woman called "Police;" I ran across and took the prisoner from Cohen - I had seen him come out of the house. I afterwards went into the house, and found a crow-bar lying on the sideboard, and a dark lanthorn, and a phosphorus box on the floor; and I afterwards found another crow-bar in the house.

Prisoner. Q. What part of Oxford-street could you have been in to see me? A. I was opposite the end of the street.

Q. You told the magistrate you was looking over a wall? A. I had been - there is a dead wall there.

JOHN LEGG . I am a policeman. I was on duty - I had passed the house ten minutes before - the door was then shut; I afterwards went there, just as the prisoner was apprehended; I found on him a knife, a cord, and pocket handkerchief; the inner door of the house was broken to pieces - that had a Bramah's lock on it.

Prisoner's Defence. I had been to Chelsea to receive some money. I live at Somerstown; as I came back I crossed Oxford-street into Quebec-street, and then the gentleman seized me, and said I had robbed the house - I said he was mistaken, the party had just passed; I was dragged into the house, and finding nobody else, they detained me.

GUILTY . Aged 27.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-33
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1055. CATHERINE WEEKS was charged, on the

Coroner's inquisition, with the wilful murder of a newborn bastard child .

JOSEPH BURGESS . I live at Blossom's-place. I am surgeon and apothecary to the parish of St. Giles' . On Monday, the 24th of June, I was called by the parish beadle to see a child, which was in his possession in the dead-house of the work-house - It appeared to me not to have been born a great many hours; it was a very fine, healthy looking, well formed grown child; when I examined it I found the navel string twisted three different times about its neck; the face of the infant was very much swollen and suffused, and of a very dark livid appearance - the impression of my mind was that the child had breathed, but had been strangled by the navel string; I examined it minutely, externally, and found no marks of violence about the body whatever; the lungs were taken out by another gentleman, which I saw, they floated on water which they were put into it; the lungs were in an extremely healthy state; it was my impression that the child had breathed - it often happens in the birth that the navel string gets round the neck; the navel string was not torn at all, it was merely separated; that is not an uncommon thing.

Q. Was there any thing in the appearance of it to lead you to form an opinion that the child had not come by its death naturally in the birth? A. No; I considered that the head or some part of it had been born, so as to admit of its breathing, but before its birth was completed, it certainly might have been strangled in the birth by accident.

MARIAN ALLAN . I am a widow, and live in Denmark-street, St. Giles's. I am a midwife - I was present when Mr. Burgess examined the prisoner, on Friday the 29th of June - she told the surgeon that she had occasion to go to the water-closet, and the child was accidentally born in the privy, on the 20th - that she was very much alarmed, and perceiving no signs of life in the child, she took it up stairs, and put it into her box, and kept it there until the Sunday morning - I neither threatened nor made her any promise; it was found at some house in St. Giles's, in a water-closet- not in the house she was delivered in; she did not say whether anybody was with her when she was delivered.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. In what state was she in then? A. She had the appearance of a woman who had been delivered eight or nine days, and was recovering from it; she was in a very weak state - she was told by Mr. Burgess and myself that she need not answer any questions, unless she liked, and we requested nobody should ask her any questions after we had examined her; I knew nothing of her before - she said she was not aware of what was going to take place when the child was born; I have every reason to believe it was her first child; I have known several cases of women being involuntary delivered without knowing it.

ELIZABETH DODSON . My name was formerly Burt. I take in mangling and washing - I have known the prisoner ten years - last Monday week, the 24th of June, I found a female child in my privy; I said nothing to the prisoner about it - I went up to the workhouse, and the beadle came and saw it; the privy is down in a kitchen, at the end of the passage - the outer door of the house is generally open - anybody who knew the privy was there could come and place the child there; the prisoner knew the way to the privy; I know she went down to the privy on the Wednesday before it was found; I had not seen her (before that Wednesday) for a year and a half - she has uniformly borne the character of an inoffensive mild woman.

MARIAN ALLEN re-examined. I had not seen the child when I examined the prisoner - I never saw it in her presence.

ROSINA GORDON . I am the prisoner's sister. I did not know of her being with child - I have no children - I had some baby linen in my house - she knew that, and on Friday last she told me she had taken some of it to her house, and I found them in my father's house, in a drawer appropriated to her use, where she told me I should find it.

Prisoner's Defence. I have only to say it happened accidentally.

Robert Drake, furrier, Piccadilly; - Barclay, furrier, Regent-street; and Charles Coney , Oxford-street, stay-maker, gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY, of concealment only.

Recommended to Mercy . Confined Fourteen days .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-34
VerdictNot Guilty

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1056. THOMAS SHORE was indicted that he, on the 3rd of June , in and upon Charlotte Andrews , feloniously, unlawfully, and maliciously, did make an assault, and, with a sharp instrument, feloniously, &c. did stab and cut her, in and upon her head, with intent to kill and murder her .

TWO OTHER COUNTS stating his intent to be, to disable and to do her some grievous bodily harm.

CHARLOTTE ANDREWS. On the 3rd of June, about eleven o'clock at night, I was in the room of Mary Wood , in Pye-street . I was shelling some peas for supper - two soldiers were coming by - the door was open - they tried to come into the door, and we shoved the door too, and told them there were no soldiers girls there, and there was no room for soldiers there; there was a key outside the door- there was nobody by, but these two soldier s, and one of them took the key out of the door; (this was on the ground floor) - Wood went out and asked the soldiers for the key, they said they had not got it - I went out to her and asked them myself for the key, and told them it was no service to them, would they give it us? and they said, they had not it - she still asked them for the key, they said, they had not it; she said, she would give them in charge of the policeman, and she said, she would follow them, I told her not to follow them, and that I would go and fetch a policeman; the prisoner turned round and said, if either of us offered to follow them he would knock us down, either one of us - the prisoner is the man; Wood said she would follow them, and he turned round and took something from behind his coat, she turned round and said, You must not hit me with that, and he immediately tried to hit her, but missed her, and caught the door; I did not see what it was he struck with - I then said to Wood, Don't be afraid, he must not hit you with that, if he does we will punish him for it; he turned round and hit me over the head with it - at the left side of my head - I had no bonnet on nor cap - I then said, I would follow him, and give him in charge for striking me; he said, he would strike me again, and he tried to strike me, and to save my head, I put up my hand and

got that cut - I could not perceive what it was he struck with; it was a pointed instrument - the point went into my thumb, and cut it - I did not perceive what it was he struck me with; then I followed him up Duck-lane, to give him in charge, I was in a dreadful state - I met two policemen, and they would not take him - I followed him into the Broadway - I was very weak with losing so much blood - my head and my hand were bleeding; I saw the corporal in the Broadway, and he took him into custody - I saw a bayonet at the watch-house; there was no mark of blood on it - that was the instrument he struck me with, for he had no other instrument in his hand - I did not see it at the time he struck either my head or my hand - it was the side of the bayonet that struck my head - it cut it- I was taken to Davis, the surgeon's, the same night; after they dressed my wound, I went to the watch-house and gave charge of him - I was led home and put to bed - I was obliged to get up next morning to go to the office; I kept my bed afterwards for about nine days - I showed Davis the wound.

Prisoner. Q. Did you know me? A. I never saw you before; I know you by your countenance; I knew you from the other soldier, because you struck me with the bayonet - I saw you strike me with something you had in your hand - I never lifted my hand to you, nor gave you any blow.

COURT. Q. Did Wood give the soldier any blow? A. No; we found the key of the door on the ledge of the window, when we came back from the watch-house.

JURY. Q. Did you hold the prisoner? A. Yes; I never left him - the other soldier was very civil and persuaded him not to do it - I should not know the other soldier; I am sure the prisoner is the man who struck me.

Prisoner. Q. You know you live in a street where prostitutes of the lowest kind live - what do you do for your livelihood? A. By selling fruit in the street; a great many unfortunate girls live there, I believe.

JURY. Q. You say, You know the bayonet was the instrument you were struck with - and before said, You could not see the instrument? A. I did not know what he struck me with, till they showed it me at the watch-house - when he drew it I did not know what it was.

Prisoner. She struck me when she came out, and accused me of having the key. Witness. I did not strike him, nor lay my hand to him - there was a gas lamp facing me at the other corner, it was darkish - he struck me so that I was not able to stand the first time.

Prisoner. Q. You did not fall? A. No; I followed you afterwards - it is not customary to leave the key of the door outside; we had not come in many minutes.

Prisoner. Q. Do you think you would not have admitted me, if you had thought I had plenty of money? A. I don't know about that - a young woman found the key outside - the prisoner was close by the shutter when he struck me - he was in regimentals, and had a belt on, and I saw him draw out something from behind him.

Prisoner. She swore at Queen's-square I was taken into custody by a serjeant, and now says it was a corporal. Witness. I did not swear it was a serjeant; I think not; I don't know a serjeant from a corporal; they told me before the magistrates it was a corporal.

MARY WOOD . On the evening of the 3rd of June, I was with the prosecutrix at my house in Pye-street shelling peas; two soldiers came up, and wanted to come in; I shut the door, and said, No soldier's girls lived there - the key was outside the door, one of them took it out; I went out, and asked them for it, and so did she; they refused to give it me; I said if they did not, I would give them in charge of a policeman - I saw the prisoner draw his bayonet out, and he attempted to stab me with it - my door was open, I ran in, and the bayonet caught against the wall - I am certain I saw him draw it - I did not strike him, nor did I see Andrews strike him - Andrews said, "Let him do it, he must not do it with that;" and then he turned round, and hit her with it on the left side of her head - I saw him strike her with the bayonet - she was outside, opposite my door, in the street - there was not day-light enough to see, but my door was open, and I had a candle, and there was a lamp on the other side of the way - I was so frightened, after I saw him strike her, that I ran in doors, and did not see him strike her again; I saw him attempt it - she asked me to call a policeman, I went and saw one, but he would not interfere as he said he did not see it - I saw the prisoner in the custody of a corporal afterwards - I had never seen him before - I can't say which end he had hold of the bayonet when he struck Andrews; he had hold of the thick end when he struck at me.

Prisoner. Q. Did you see the prosecutrix, when she came out of the door, strike me? A. I did not see it - I know you from the other soldier, because we never left your company after you hit her; she followed you, and I followed you to the corner of the street - the other soldier did not go with you all the way; I saw the other soldier go another way - I am sure the prisoner is the man.

JURY. Q. Did they knock at your door? A. No, the door was half open; neither open nor shut; they did not come in.

Prisoner. Q. Do you know Simmon's-buildings? A. Yes, some of the houses are occupied by prostitutes - my husband gets a livelihood for me - I have been in the habit of selling things in the street - my husband is a hackney-coachman - Andrews lives at No. 16, in the street - the soldier was in liquor.

CHARLOTTE ANDREWS re-examined. When he struck me the second time, I put my hand up, caught the cut between my thumb, and saved my head.

HENRY BELLAMY . I live in the neighbourhood of Pye-street. On the 3rd of June, I was standing in the street, about eleven doors from Wood's house; I heard Andrews ask several times for a key; I ran there directly, and saw nobody there but the two soldiers; the prisoner was one of them - the prisoner said he had not got it, as well as the other; both denied it - the prisoner said, if she accused him of taking it, and would not let him go, he would soon make her - she had not hold of him; she did not strike him - the prisoner turned round, and both the soldiers wanted to go towards Duck-lane - Andrews said she would give them in charge - the prisoner then drew his bayonet, and made a severe stroke with it at Mary Wood - she had not struck him - she got into the door rather quick, and the instrument struck against the side of the wall by the door - the prisoner turned round, and Andrews said, "Let him do it, Wood - we will make him pay for it afterwards"

- he turned round, and struck Charlotte Andrews on the back of the head with the bayonet; he seemed to have the small end in his hand; he might not have struck her with the butt end of it, but with the sharp edge further down - I suppose he struck her with the blade of it - she bled - he attempted to strike her again, with the sharp end towards her, with the butt end in his hand, but whether he did strike her I can't say; he attempted to strike her on the head with force; she protected herself by putting her hand to her head - both the soldiers went together up Duck-lane; I followed them, and so did Andrews - I followed them till the corporal took the prisoner into custody, and I followed him to the station-house - I am certain he is the man.

Prisoner. Q. You swore before Mr. White that I drew my bayonet, and struck her with the socket, and the doctor swore it could not be struck with the socket; now you swear it was with the point? A. I said he might not have struck her with the butt end, but with the blade part.

COURT. Q. Did he change the end of the bayonet before he struck? A. I don't know whether he did or not; I stated before the magistrate that he changed the end of the bayonet and struck her with the thick end, on the back of the head, that was the first time.

COURT. Q. The second time that he struck her had he the butt end in his hand? A. He had.

Q. Do you recollect telling the magistrate "He tried to do it the second time with the sharp end in his hand" - how came you to make that statement? A. I stated no more than what I saw - I am sure that she protected her head the second time with her hand - I am a costermonger.

GERARD DAVIS . I am a surgeon. I examined the head of Charlotte Andrews on the night in question, and found a bruised cut on the side of her head - the point of the instrument had struck her head; there was a cortused wound, the muscle was very slightly divided, but the point of the instrument had penetrated through the integuments - the wound was about an inch in in length; I am sure the muscle was divided - it was a slight wound except that part where some instrument had penetrated to the bone; the scalp was not laid bare, but the bone had been touched by the point of the instrument - it appears to have been struck vertically; the depth increased as the point descended - it could not have been done by the butt end of the bayonet nor by the side, it had been inflicted by the point of the the bayonet; the wound was not dangerous - a wound inflicted by a bayonet cutting in that way, would not be likely to endanger life unless it penetrated the skull, which it might have done, if struck with his holding the butt end of the bayonet, and struck downwards - there would have been no danger unless it had penetrated the skull - I examined her hand, and found a wound which must have been cut by the sharp end of the bayonet, not with the point but with the edge - it had been done with one of the sharp edges; it might have happened by her defending a blow which he was making with the butt end of the bayonet, it was a cut - there was no danger from that wound; I think the wound in her head must have been inflicted by holding the bayonet with the butt end.

JURY. Q. You say the wound on the head was a bruise, and inflicted with the point, how could the point of the bayonet bruise? A. The point of the bayonet would enter the integuments, not as if he was stabbing, but as if he was sticking the side of the bayonet against the head - the bayonet is triangular, it was a wound inflicted by a blow.

COURT. Q. That is not the way a person would have inflicted a wound if he intended to destroy life? A. No, it was a sort of blow, making a contused wound with the back part of the bayonet, and as the point of the bayonet descended through the integuments, it left a cut.

Q. If he had intended to destroy life, or do her grievous bodily harm, he would have struck or stabbed with the bayonet? A. Undoubtedly.

DAVID SMITH . I am a corporal in the Coldstream Guards. On the night of the 3rd of June, I was in the Broadway, and saw the prisoner and prosecutrix there - I took the prisoner into custody; he had a drawn bayonet in his hand - there was no mark of blood on it to my recollection; he was intoxicated - I afterwards took him to the police-station, and left him in custody - the policeman had the bayonet; the prisoner had it in his hand when I first saw him - (looking at it) - that is it.

Prisoner. The corporal has said I was drunk - I was taken before the police-officer; he knows I was not drunk - I was as sober as I am at this moment? Witness. He was intoxicated.

Prisoner's Defence. I was walking down the street with another soldier named James Edgar - the girl's door was open - I asked her if she was engaged; she jumped up and shut the door - we both walked on; she came out and accused me of taking the key out of the door, of which I am innocent - she struck me directly she came out with something in her hand, I took it to be iron; and before I could recover myself she struck me a very heavy blow - a man came out of a public-house, who, I believe, is a bully - he collared me, struck me on the side of my neck, and I had marks of it afterwards; two men assisted him; I was obliged to defend myself as well as I could - a whole mob assembled round - the whole cry was against me, and while the men were beating me, this girl was the most active, flying at me; both the girl's characters correspond with the street they live in, which is one of the worst streets in Westminster - there is great contradiction in the evidence; one swears I struck with the point of the bayonet, and the other with the butt end.

DAVID SMITH . No other soldier was with him when I saw him - in our battalion soldiers are allowed to wear their side-arms when not on duty; he was in the midst of a crowd when I saw him - they were not attacking him; he had his bayonet in his hand, swearing by his God he would strike the first person that attempted to take him.

CHARLOTTE ANDREWS . I was very weak with the loss of blood.

JURY. Q. You have said you followed him and held him; how could you do so if you were so weak? A. I followed him some distance till he was taken - it was about one hundred yards I suppose.


4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-35

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1057. RICHARD GOULEE was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Saul Levy , on the 15th of June , in the parish of St. Dunstan, Stebonheath, alias Stepney, and stealing therein, 1 milk-jug, value 30s.; 7 negligees, value 5l.; 7 necklaces, value 5l.; 8 spoons, value 2l.; 20 scent-boxes, value 8l., and 28 brooches, value 14l., the goods of the said Saul Levy .

SAUL LEVY . I live at No. 18, Harcot-place, Commercial-road, in the parish of Stepney , I don't know whether it is called St. Dunstan; I have not lived there long. On Saturday, the 15th of June, about eleven o'clock in the morning, I left my house, and went to the Synagogue, in Leadenhall-street; and about three o'clock a gentleman came to me with a policeman to Leadenhall-street, and gave me information - the policeman showed me a great quantity of my property, gold and different articles; I then went to my house - when I left it in the morning I had left the doors shut - the property the policeman showed me was in my house when I went away - I had left my servant in the house; she let me out, and I observed that she shut the door after me - Easterbrook is the policeman - when I got home I found the street-door as I had left it- I had locked the door leading from the parlour to the shop, and taken the key with me; when I got back I found that in the same situation - it had not been opened; I missed property out of the shop - I found the goods on the counter, and the shop window broken open, and a great number of goods on the counter and ground - I think they had got into the shop with keys - the property the policeman showed me was mine; I had left it in the shop in the window - I don't know the prisoner.

EDWARD SELTH . I am a traveller to a wholesale house in the city. On the 15th of June I came up Heath-street, into the Commercial-road, and saw three suspicious characters looking about; I took particular notice of their transactions; the prisoner was one of them - I never saw either of them before to my knowledge - I passed them, and on turning round, saw the prisoner cross the road, and go immediately to the side or private door of Mr. Levy's house; seeing the name of "Levy, silversmith and jeweller," over the shop window, I anticipated that they had gone to the synagogue, it being their Sabbath - not seeing a policeman on duty, I immediately went to the office in Arbour-square; the person who answered me at the office-door, wished me to apply opposite, which I did, and two policemen came out; I wished them to put on private clothes, they did so, and immediately followed me into the Commercial-road - before we got to the shop of Mr. Armstrong, which is nearly opposite Mr. Levy's, we passed by one of the men that I supposed to be on the look out; it was one of those who had been walking with the prisoner; I pointed him out to the officer - I and the policeman went into Armstrong's shop, and while watching there, the third person passed me, and I pointed him out also - we were not in the shop more than three or five minutes before we saw the prisoner come out of Levy's shop-door - I said that was the man; we were then in Armstrong's shop - the policeman immediately went over and secured him - I saw the prisoner go back with the policeman to the shop-door, and finding it fastened as I supposed, he took the prisoner to the private door and knocked - I saw the servant girl open the door to them; what conversation passed I cannot say, but I saw the girl close the door in their faces as if frightened, and immediately the policeman brought the prisoner across the road into Armstrong's shop where I remained - he searched the prisoner, and found the whole of the property on him, with five skeleton keys, and one picklock; he was immediately taken to the station-house in Whitechapel-road.

JOHN EASTERBROOK . I am a policeman. I went with Selth to Armstrong's shop, which is opposite Levy's nearly - while we were there I saw the prisoner come out of Levy's shop - I saw the door open when he came out, and he closed it too - I then went over and secured him - I endeavoured to take him into Levy's shop; I knocked at the shop door, and the prisoner told me to knock at the private door; I went to the private door, and a servant came; I asked her if the prisoner had just come out of there; she did not seem exactly to understand me, and being in private clothes, she slammed the door too - before I took him to the door, I asked him if he had just come out of Mr. Levy's; he said Yes, he had just been speaking to Levy; I said he must go back and see - we could not get in at the shop door and went to the side door - I did not knock very loud, and he said, "knock louder, the servant is up stairs, she won't hear" - when she came down, and I made inquiry, she appeared alarmed, and slammed the door in my face - I took the prisoner over to Armstrong's shop and searched him; I pulled off his hat and found that full of various him; I pulled off his hat and found that full of various articles; a silver milk-jug, silver boxes and thimbles, which I have here; I have had possession of them ever since - I went to Leadenhall-street; Levy came back with me to where I live and saw them - I have here a silver milk-jug, seven negligees, two spoons, twenty scent-boxes, twenty-eight brooches, seven coral necklaces, eight silver caddy spoons, and various other articles - I found five skeleton keys on him, and one picklock; one of them opens the private door, and a small one a passage door leading from the passage into the parlour; and the one which opens the private door, also opens the shop door leading into the street - the name of the parish is St. Dunstan, Stebonheath, alias Stepney.

SAUL. LEVY. These articles belong to me, all of them; they were in my shop that day - when I went out at eleven o'clock I saw them; they are worth £64 3s. 6d. there are private marks by which I identify them.

ALEXANDER STEWART . I was at Armstrong's, and saw the prisoner come out of the house - I assisted in securing him.

MARY COMER . I was servant to Mr. Levy; on Saturday the 15th of June, I remember his going out about eleven o'clock to the synagogue; he went out at the private door, I shut it after him; I then went down stairs in the kitchen, and was at work; I heard a knock at the door, anI I went to the door and saw a man - (I have not seen him since) - the policemen afterwards came to the door with the prisoner; I did not let them in because I was frightened; I am sure the prisoner is the man the policeman had; I had not been up stairs but was at work in the kitchen; I had heard nobody in the house; I was in the back kitchen, which is a fight of stairs from the shop; a person might open the shop door and come in

without my hearing them; I have seen articles of this nature in the shop.

The prisoner made no defence.

GUILTY . Aged 30.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-36
VerdictNot Guilty

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1058. JAMES HENNESSEY was indicted for feloniously assaulting James Aldous , on the 12th of May , putting him in fear, and taking from his person, and against his will 2 half-crowns his monies .

JAMES ALDOUS . I am a carpenter ; on the 12th of May, I was at the Spread eagle, Whitecross-street , in company with two friends, John and Sarah Moss ; it was Sunday night; I had a pint of porter there; I had two half-crowns in my pocket; I saw the prisoner there; I did not know him before; he was in company with some men and women; he did not join our party; he put his hand into my left hand trousers pocket while I was there; I felt him do it, and caught hold of the collar of his coat, he struck me and knocked me down, and jumped on me and four or five others; he had not taken the money from my pockets at that time; the half-crowns were in the pocket in which I felt his hand; I put my hand into my pocket and felt them there about three minutes before; my pocket was not buttoned; there was nothing else in it; I was knocked down after catching hold of his hand; and after I got up, I was looking for my my shoes, and two policemen came up; I felt in my pocket after I found my shoes, after the prisoner was gone- I found my money was gone then; I did not give the prisoner in charge for the robbery at the time - I charged him with an assault; I did not know my money was gone when I gave him in charge - I was looking after my shoes at the time - I found my money was gone three or four minutes after the policeman had gone, I went down to the station-house thinking he was in charge, and he was not; I gave information at the station-house of the robbery, and he was taken the Saturday following; they could not find him before; I had only one pint of porter that day.

Cross-examined by MR. CHURCHILL. Q. On your oath had you only one pint of porter? A. Only one pint the whole of the day; I was quite sober at the time; Moss saw me with two half-crowns that day; I mentioned my loss about five minutes after the policeman was gone; I told the two witnesses of it; I did not say it openly in the room; the people in the room did not hear that; we looked for the prisoner at all the public houses round the neighbourhood; I don't know where he lives on my oath- he does not live in the same street with me,; I live in Foster's-buildings; I had never seen him before I found him on Sunday after, at the Spread eagle, and he was taken to the station-house for being riotous, and I preferred my charge on Monday morning.

Q. Did you give him in charge at the Spread eagle? A. I went out to the station-house directly I saw him there- it might be a minute or two; I drank with his brother before he came in; I took nothing after he came in; I said nothing to his brother about having a fall out with him, his brother said something to me about it; I cannot say what it was; he offered me the pot to drink.

Q. Did he say "You and my brother have had a fall out?" A. Words to that effect; I drank with his brother that evening, but not after the prisoner came in; I did not see him come in - the half-crowns were the wages I had on Saturday night; a man in Oliver-row paid me; I cannot tell his name; I had worked for him; he is a master carpenter, and has a shop as there; I worked for him about three days; the prisoner jumped upon me and knocked me down after I found his hand in my pocket; we had no words before; I had not been mocking his Irish method of speaking; I met Moss first that evening at his own house; I went with him to the Spread eagle, and I showed him the five shillings at the Spread eagle door; he did not ask where I got it - I showed it him because I intended to take it home, and I had just enough halfpence for a pint of porter; I did not strike the prisoner.

Q. Will you swear there were only four persons in the house when you lost your money? A. I can't swear to one - I will swear there were not twelve; I saw the servant of the house there - I did not complain to her of my loss - I did not see the prisoner during the week - I did not know his brother till that evening - he said he was his brother - he had come down to me several times - I never went down to him - I was perfectly sober that evening - the floor was examined - I cannot say whether the people in the house were searched.

JOHN MOSS . I went to the Spread eagle on the Sunday in question, with the prosecutor and my daughter - just before we entered the door he put his hand into his left hand pocket, and pulled out two half-crowns, and said,"These are for my wife;" we had a pint of porter between us three - I saw the prisoner strike the prosecutor - I did not see whether the prosecutor had hold of him at the time, for the prisoner was at my back, as I was standing - I was going to turn myself round to know what the blow was given for, and before I could get the word out of my mouth, I was knocked down myself by some of the party, and three or four were jumping on me - I had my face dreadfully cut - two policemen came in and took them off me, and cleared them out as fast as they could.

Cross-examined. Q. When did the prosecutor tell you that he had lost his money? A. Soon after I got up - the policemen were gone - they were clearing away the mob - there were about nine or ten in the house at that time, and many came afterwards - there were only two or three in the house when he told us he had lost his money, except the landlady and servant at the bar.

Q. Did he seem surprised at finding his money gone? A. I did not take notice, for I had lost my shoes and ninepence out of my pocket - he said, "I have lost my two half-crowns;" everybody in the room might have heard it - they might have heard him at the bar - he did not say it privately - he did not whisper it to me - I went with him to the station-house, as soon as I got a pair of shoes to go- my back was towards him when he struck the prosecutor - I turned my head round and saw the blow come from him - the prosecutor stood nearly alongside of him - there had been no quarrelling before; I heard no remarks about the Irish - there might be as many women in the house as men; the prisoner's wife was not there - he is a single man - I know he lived with his mother, in Little Leonard-street, Shoreditch; I never was in the house - I know he

lived there - I went to look for him during the week, but did not go to his house; I knew where his father lived.

COURT. Q. Did the prosecutor ask you if you knew where the prisoner lived? A. No; I did not know it myself; we found him at the station-house - the prisoner did not live in Shoreditch; I thought you were asking about the prosecutor - I did not know where the prisoner lived- there was a general row in the room; I believe only the prosecutor and I were knocked down; if I had had money in my pocket very likely it might have fallen out - I was not at the Spread-eagle on the night he was taken; we went to Bunhill-row station-house; I don't know how long the prosecutor had been drinking - I had been backwards and forwards - he had been at my place all the day; I did not see him have any drink.

SARAH MOSS . I was at the Spread-eagle with my father and the prosecutor - I saw the prosecutor with two half-crowns, just as we were going in at the public-house door - he had them in his hand; I don't know why he produced them - he said he was going to take them home to his mother - I saw the prisoner strike him in the public-house - I did not see the prosecutor's hand on the prisoner's coat before that - he was knocked down, and four or five jumped on him - they were the prisoner's friends; I can't say whether the prisoner himself jumped on him - it was done in the scuffle.

Cross-examined. Q. How do you know it was the prisoner's friends? A. Because they were all drinking together - I can't say how many women were among them - they were all cleared away after the scuffle, except me and my father and the prosecutor - when the prosecutor missed his money, he said "I have lost my money out of my pocket;" he said it publicly, not very loud - he said it so that anybody could hear him, but there was nobody else in the room, except the landlady - I heard him tell the landlady that he had missed two half-crowns out of his pocket, he said so to the person in the bar.

COURT. Q. Did he complain of being robbed of them or losing them? A. He said he had lost them out of his pocket.

Prisoner's Defence. I leave it all to my counsel.

CHARLES WILSON . (policeman, G 121). I was called in to quell a disturbance at the Spread-eagle - it was over when we got there. I turned out the prisoner and the rest of them - there was no charge of robbery made to me that evening; Champion was there before me.

- CHAMPION. (policeman, G 106). I was in the public-house - there was a great disturbance which I suppressed - there was no charge of robbery. I went to the station-house in Bunhill-row, and was there until nine o'clock; I saw the prosecutor that evening, but he did not speak to me - Moss spoke to me. It was a drunken spree - the prosecutor was in liquor.

MICHAEL HENNESSY . I am the prisoner's brother, and a shoe-maker. I was at the Spread-eagle on the 12th of May, there was a row there - The prosecutor came in after the prisoner, he was drunk to my knowledge; he was cross in the house and insulting everybody, and insulted the prisoner's wife - he offered her some beer and made free with her.

COURT. Q. What do you mean by making free, did he do more than offer her beer? A. No.

MR. CHURCHILL. Q. Did he say anything to the prisoner? A. Yes; as the prisoner was going home out of the public-house, he called on a man named Mike, to come home, and with that the prosecutor took him out, and the prisoner turned in and put his fist in his mouth, and said, if he came out again, he would make him kiss his fist; with that the prosecutor raised his first and struck the prisoner, and so the row began, and then there was a regular row.

COURT. Q. The prisoner said he would make the prosecutor kiss his fist? A. Yes; the prosecutor struck the prisoner directly, and cut him in the nose.

MR. CHURCHILL. Q. That was after he made free with his wife? A. Yes; then the row began directly, and the policeman cleared them all away - I was there on the Sunday week after, and the prisoner was with me, we went in together - the prosecutor was in before us; another witness came in with us and called for a pint of beer, I said, "You are the man that had the row with my brother;" he said, Yes, "Well, said he, if you fell out with him, I will fall in with you;" and they had a pint of beer and drank, and we all three drank out of one pot - he made no charge of robbery at that time; we remained together about an hour I suppose.

COURT. Q. You staid an hour in company with each other drinking together? A. Yes; he did not say a word about his having lost five shillings at that time - he made that charge on the Monday; my brother (the prisoner) was taken by a policeman and locked up, and on the Monday morning he went and gave charge against him for felony - my brother was locked up about nine o'clock on Sunday night.

Q. What was the charge then? A. A policeman was shoving my sister, and he gave him a tip on the umbrella on the back - on that Sunday no charge was made about taking the five shillings.


4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-37
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1059. JOHN WHITE KELL was indicted that he, on the 6th of June , at St. Mary, Islington, in and upon Thomas Henry Clark , feloniously, wilfully, and maliciously did make an assault, and with a certain sharp instrument, then and there, feloniously, unlawfully, and maliciously did strike, stab, and cut the said Thomas Henry Clark , in and upon the back part of his head and forehead, with intent, in so doing, feloniously, wilfully, and of his malice aforethought, to kill and murder him , against the Statute.

2nd COUNT, the same, only stating his intent to be to disable the said Thomas Henry Clark.

3rd COUNT, the same, only stating his intent to be, to do the said Thomas Henry Clark some grievous bodily harm.

THOMAS HENRY CLARK . I live at No. 1, Coburg-street, Northampton-square; I am in no business; I live with my friends. On the 6th of June, I was walking in the road near Newington-green , about nine o'clock in the evening, in company with Miss Harriet Clark and Miss Lucy Clark - they are no relations of mine whatever; I knew the prisoner before - I saw the prisoner first on this evening in the Lower-road, Islington, before I got to Newington; I was in company with the ladies at that time - he did not speak to us the first time I saw him; I saw him afterwards in the road near the

Ball's-pond-road - he was then standing at the bottom of Green-man's-passage - he walked towards me and the ladies - we were on the left-hand side of the road; he kept on the right-hand side - we kept walking on the left side and he on the opposite; he walked up till he got, I should think, rather behind us - he then ran across the road towards us, and he struck Miss Harriet Clark (who was walking on my right-hand side) a blow - I turned round to look at him, and felt Miss Clark pressed close against my side, I then saw something bright flash in the air, and I saw the prisoner with his arms extended striking at Miss Clark.

Q. You saw something flash in the air, had any one hold of that bright thing? A. The prisoner; and when I saw him striking Miss Clark, I rushed at him (I saw him striking her, I then rushed at him), and don't know whether I struck him or laid hold of his collar.

Q. At the time you struck him, or laid hold of his collar, had he desisted his attack upon Miss Clark? A. I cannot say, for I laid hold of him directly - I got between the two ladies; he had a knife in his hand then - it was a large dinner knife - I cannot say that he struck Miss Clark with the knife - I saw him striking at her, but don't know whether he struck her with the knife or not.

Q. What was he doing when you flew upon him, and took him by the collar, or struck him? A. I think he was standing close to her; we were all close together - I flew at him from seeing him strike Miss Clark; while I had hold of his collar he struck me twice on the head with this knife - I did not see whether there was any blood on Miss Clark at that time; I had seen something bright in his hand before, which I now conjecture to have been a knife - he had not said a word to Miss Clark - he struck me on the forehead with the knife - it was done with the open blade of the knife - it went through my hat into my head (producing the hat) - it cut my forehead - it went into the skull I believe; I was attended by a surgeon - the first blow cut my hat through, and he repeated the blow, and struck me nearly on the same place, and the knife broke at the second blow, that blow also cut my hat, both blows took effect on my forehead, that blow also cut through the flesh, and the knife broke, and part of it he kept in his hand, and part flew on the pavement; I had my hand on the prisoner's collar at this time - the blows confused me - I cannot say whether I had hold of him or not - I was attempting to lay hold of him; the remainder of the broken knife continued in the prisoner's hand; we were both struggling very violently, and he attempted to cut me with it - he struck me on the collar of my coat several times; I cannot say what part he intended the blow for, but that took effect on my coat - I succeeded in throwing him down, and fell on him; he threw me off, and then got up and ran away; I pursued him, and eventually gave him in the custody of the police - I never had any quarrel with the prisoner at any time - I think he would not have struck me, if I had not rushed on him to defend Miss Clark.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. He did not attempt to touch you, till you made a rush on him? A. I don't think he had; I don't think he would have attempted to hurt me, if I had not rushed forward to defend Miss Clark - I never had any quarrel with him - the rush I made at him was a very violent one; I was agitated at seeing the young lady in this way.

Q. You will not undertake to swear, whether, at the the time you made the rush, he might not at that time have desisted on any aggression on Miss Clark? A. He might have done so - my face was exposed - I had my hat on; I had another wound in my head, but I think that was got in turning me round on the ground.

COURT. Q. Had he his face towards Miss Clark at the time you flew at him? A. I think he had; I flew at him the moment I could; he had not thrown away the instrument at the time - he had it in his hand.

Q. What was your inducement to rush forwards? A. To protect Miss Clark from being assaulted by him again.

HARRIETT CLARK. Mr. Clark was walking with me on the 6th of June? I had first seen the prisoner that night in the Lower-road, Islington - I live in Ball's-pond-road; I was with Mr. Clark when I first saw the prisoner; I have known the prisoner for two years; I did not speak to him when I first saw him in the Lower-road, - I was not near him, I saw him at a distance; I walked on with Mr. Clark to the road he has described; I saw the prisoner there; he was before us about twenty yards, on the opposite side of the way - it is quite a narrow road - I saw him standing still at first; I then saw him walking towards us at the end of this narrow passage on Ball's-pond-road; I then looked a contrary way from him - I was still with Mr. Clark and my sister; I turned my head away from the prisoner; I did not see anything more of him; I felt a blow on my head - I was close to Mr. Clark at the time, walking with my arm in his, and my sister - he only gave me one blow on the head; it was on my right ear - I did not see anything in his hand; I did not see him when I received the blow - I turned round on receiving the blow, and saw him standing behind me - I did not see anything in his hand - I received one or two other blows but I was so confused I could not tell where at the time - Mr. Clark got away from me after I had received these two or three blows; Mr. Clark then rushed upon him violently, being in a passion, seeing the treatment I received - I did not see any thing in the prisoner's hand at any time - my ear was only bruised with the blow; I should say it was given with the prisoner's fist - I soon perceived that I had a cut on my shoulder - that was before Mr. Clark interfered - after Mr. Clark rushed on the prisoner, a scuffle ensued, and I saw them on the ground, but I was so much terrified I did not see anything more then.

Cross-examined. Q. I think you state you had received whatever injury you received at all, before the interference of Mr. Clark? A. Yes; I saw the prisoner at the time Mr. Clark made the rush at him, but the evening was dark; he was at that time standing quiet - the bruise on my ear was likely to be inflicted with his hand; the wound on my shoulder was very slight indeed; it could not be inflicted with any very great violence; I had on a thin dress, and a very thin shawl.

Q. I suppose the prisoner appeared very much excited? A. I don't know; I was very much confused indeed - I have known him two years.

COURT. Q. What is he? A. He has been brought

up to the sea - I had had no quarrel with him, rather an unpleasantness, but not a quarrel.

Q. Can you account for his striking you in this way from anything which had passed between you? A. He had wished to pay his addresses to me and I objected.

JAMES MORGAN . I am inspector of the police. During the examination I produced the prosecutrix's shawl, and was bound over - the shawl is out.

WILLIAM MILLICHAPP . I am a policeman. I have a knife; I picked up this part of it on the place pointed out to me as where the scuffle took place; it was in Ball's-pond-road, in Green-man's-passage - the other part was picked up and given me by a stranger, who is not here, it fits the other part exactly, and must have been part of the same knife.

The Prisoner made no Defence.

Captain Thomas Findley ; Mary Frances Simmons , widow; Charles Richardson , seafaring man; Edward James Woodell , house-agent, at Homerton; Samuel Freeman , master bricklayer, Hackney, gave the prisoner a good character for mildness, and humanity of disposition.

GUILTY. Aged 26.

Recommended strongly to Mercy by the Jury and Prosecutor. on account of his good character .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-38
VerdictGuilty; Guilty

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1060. JOHN WILLIS and SARAH JONES, alias WILLIS were indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling house of Joseph Jessup , on the 29th of May , at St. Dunstan, Stebonheath, alias Stepney, and stealing therein 1 cloak, value 30s.; 1 dress, value 2l.; 1 skirt and body, value 15s.; 12 handkerchiefs, value 1l.; 4 shawls, value 5l. 10s,; 1 frill, value 1s. 6d.; 4 brooches, value 1l.; 1 necklace, value 6s.; 3 rings, value 15s.; 2 pair of earrings, value 5s.; 1 breast pin, value 3s.; 1 seal, value 1s. 6d.; 6 tea-spoons, value 1l.; 1 pair of sugar-tongs, value 10s.; 1 yard and a half of silk, value 2s.; 2 snuff-boxes, value 13s.; 1 boa, value 3s.; 1 pocket-book, value 1s. 6d.; 2 sovereigns; 3 half-sovereigns; 13 shillings; and 1 penny; the property of Elizabeth Allen .

ELIZABETH ALLEN . I am single , and live at No. 3, Charles-street, Greenfield-street, Commercial-road, in the parish of Stepney , in the first floor front room; the prisoners lived in the back room when I lived there - Joseph Jessup is the landlord, and lives in the house - I rent my room of him - on Whit Sunday I left my room to go into the country - I left my room door locked, and took the key with me - the prisoners at that time lived there; I returned on Friday, the 30th - I found my room locked; I discovered a band of my gown lying on the floor before I had been in the room ten minutes, and I missed various articles. I have recovered nothing but a piece of silk; I missed six silver tea-spoons, some brooches, a pair of sugar-tongs, two sovereigns, three half-sovereigns, twelve shillings in silver, one South-sea shilling, a fourpenny piece, a penny silver piece, and other articles - the prisoners were not living in the house when I returned; I lost a piece of silk which I have got back, it was in my drawer when I left the room (looking at it) this is mine, and this part of a necklace is mine, and this pin; they have been in Prendergrass' possession - I saw them in my drawer on the Saturday night - I had bought the silk for a bonnet, there was a yard and a half of it. The beads and pin were made a present of to me by a lady some years ago - I bought the silk of Harriett Jessup.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. And where did she get it from? A. She had it from the female prisoner, I heard her say so; the street door is left open at times; I don't know the name of this silk, it is a common colour - I know it is mine by the length, which is a yard and a half, and here is a piece of a pattern of it - this piece was cut off to make it even, on the Friday before I went out - I dont know it by anything else; I never saw Mrs. Jessup with any more of this silk - I don't know anything about any other part of the silk - I never saw any of the silk in the prisoners possession I am certain.

Q. Then you and Mrs. Jessup and the female prisoner, have not all been together, when she has been in possession of a great deal more of the same silk? A. No; Joseph Jessup is the landlord of the house; I don't know that the outer door of the house was left open; I never saw it open particularly more one day than another - it is not usually left open - it was usually kept shut, and anybody who wants to enter, knocks - I had gone away on the Sunday and returned on the Friday - the prisoners were in the house when I left - they were in their own room; the landlord was living in the back parlour at the time; there is no entrance to my part of the house without going in at his door.

SAMUEL PRENDERGRASS . I belong to the Lambeth-street Police Office. I know the prisoners - I went to Newcastle-court, Strand, on Wednesday the 5th of June, in consequence of information of Willis, and another being there,(a female) I found them there - the prisoner is the female; it is a common brothel - I knocked at the room door - I did not see the man then, for he refused admittance; I descended down the next flight of stairs, and saw him at the window; I asked his name, he said Hutton; I went up stairs again, and threatened to use violence at the door, and then he let me in - the female prisoner was in bed; I found this yard and a half of silk, some pearl beads, and part of a gold pin in a chest of drawers among their other wearing apparel - I brought them away with all the other things; I produce the beads and gold pin, as well as the silk, they have never been out of my possession.

Cross-examined. Q. Is the part of the pin in a state capable of being identified? A. I should think not - nothing is more common than these beads.

ELIZABETH ALLEN . I have reason to know the beads - I have had them often in my hands; they are pearls - I can swear they are mine. This part of a pin is mine, but the head is taken off - this is the pin I lost - I had it for a gold pin - I called it gold before the magistrate; I have every reason to think it is mine; it had a black head to it when I lost it.

HARRIETT JESSUP . I am the wife of Joseph Jessup. Allen lived at our house, and so did the two prisoners; they are not man and wife, but lived together; Mrs. Willis owned he was not her husband; they left the house on the 29th of May; I did not see them when they left; they had paid their rent on the Sunday, and I did not know they were going till after they were gone - nor where they were going to - I know this silk - I first saw it about the

24th of April; I saw it in possession of the female prisoner, she brought it down to me; I had made her a dress of the same colour, and had that instead of money; and I sold it to Allen on the 25th of May - I have a piece of the same sort here, which I cut off before I sold it to Allen; I cut it off to make it even, a yard and a half - this is it, and here is the piece I cut off.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you in the habit of acquaintance and friendship with Mrs. Willis or Jones? A. No otherwise than as a lodger - I first saw the silk about the 24th of April, she brought it down to me - Allen was not with me - the silk was in a whole piece then; Allen did not see it in the whole piece; she knew the prisoner had a dress like it, and she heard me mention that the prisoner had a whole piece; she never saw it, not to my recollection, but I am not sure - my husband is a carpenter, I am a dress maker, but don't follow the business; I made the dress for Mrs. Willis; I did not ask where she got the silk; she told me her husband had taken it out of pawn - I did not think it an odd way of paying me - she left quite on a sudden, without my knowledge - nothing was lost in the house before they came there, I am sure - I was never charged with taking other people's wearing apparel.

JOSEPH JESSUP. I am landlord of the house. Allen went out on Sunday the 26th of May, and returned on the Friday about six o'clock in the evening; and about five minutes after she called my wife up, and we found she was robbed - the prisoners had gone on the Wednesday - I tried all the keys belonging to the locks in the house, and found the key of the prisoners' room-door would open Allen's door, but no other key would do it - I had seen about a yard and a half of silk the week before Whit-Sunday.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Have you ever said you would try to get the prisoners transported for fourteen years? A. Not to the best of my knowledge, I will not swear positively.

Willis's Defence. I know nothing about it.

Sarah Jones's Defence. I know nothing about it.


SARAH WILLIS , alias JONES - GUILTY . Aged 19.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-39
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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First London Jury, before Mr. Recorder.

1061. JOHN WILLIAM HARRIE was indicted for stealing, on the 15th of June , 1 half-crown, the money of Ford Hale , his master .

MR. ADOLPHUS conducted the prosecution.

MR. FORD HALE. I am a tallow-chandler , and live in Cannon-street . The prisoner was in my employ for twelve years, and has had 28s., a week ever since he has been out of his apprenticeship - in consequence of something which passed in my mind, I being satisfied I was robbed; I marked five shillings and a half-crown, in the presence of Mr. Underwood, and gave it to him - the prisoner afterwards gave me some money out of his own pocket, he said that half-crown belonged to me, and three other shillings, which he had also taken out of the till; it was the marked half-crown - I had never authorised him to apply my money to his own use.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Did he serve his apprenticeship to you? A. Yes, for seven years, and I know he had married since his apprenticeship.

COURT. Q. Do you know Mr. Underwood? A. I do; I delivered the half-crown to him, for the purpose of trying the honesty of the prisoner; I afterwards found that half-crown in the prisoner's possession; I got Mr. Underwood to get his man to fetch some candles, in order to detect this system of plunder - the prisoner produced the half-crown fromhis coat pocket.

THOMAS UNDERWOOD . On the 15th of June, Mr. Hale delivered to me some marked money; I saw him mark it, so that I should know it again; I took it home, and gave it to one of my servants, and sent him to Mr. Hale for a dozen pounds of candles, which he brought me, with this bill and receipt; it is signed in the prisoner's name.

MR. HALE. The receipt is the prisoner's signature.

JOHN FREDERICK WREEDON . I am servant to Mr. Underwood. I received from him, on the 15th of June, some money, with instructions to buy candles; I bought them at Mr. Hale's shop; the prisoner served me, and gave me a receipt; I paid him four shillings, and a half-crown; it was the same money as master had given to me- I did not know of it being marked - I had no other money.

Cross-examined. Q. Your buying six shillings worth of goods required change? A. Yes, I had a sixpence - I did not observe where the prisoner took it from - I will not swear he did not take it out of his pocket; he gave me sixpence only.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. He did not give you change for a half-crown? A. No, only sixpence; I received five shillings but only gave him him four and the half-crown.

COURT. Q. Did you see where he put the money which he received from you? A. I did not.

JAMES HOWARD . I am in the service of Mr. Hale; on the 15th of June, I remember Wreedon coming to master's shop, and buying candles; I saw him pay the prisoner the money, and saw the prisoner put the money into the till, and his hand came from the till as open as mine is - and it is very seldom that it used to come away open; he had nothing in his hand when he put the money into the till; a customer afterward came in with a shilling for candles; I saw him put the shilling into the till, and take something out between his two fingers, and saw him put it into his left hand coat pocket; I was present when he was searched, and he gave the half-crown out of that same pocket; he had no other money in that pocket; he gave master the half crown, and three other shillings, and said, these belong to you Sir, and I hope you will forgive me.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you say one word of that at the Mansion-house? A. I was told it was not wanted I was not asked the question; I was checked by that person on your left (the prisoner's solicitor) - when he put the money into the till, his hand was quite empty.

Q. You add to that "which it seldom was?" A. No, I can say that.

Q. Did he take any change out of the till? A. I did not see him give Mr. Underwood's servant any change I saw that money put in, and did not see him give change; I swear his hand was empty when it came out of the till.

Q. Then if he gave change, the change was not taken

from the till? A. I don't know, the till was open before he put the money in.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. When you name the customer do you mean Mr. Underwood's servant? A. Yes; I did not see sixpence in change given to anybody; I was present when he came for the dozen candles; I saw the prisoner put the money into the till, and his hand came out empty; the other customer had some halfpence change to receive, and at that time he took something out with his two fingers, and put it into his left hand coat pocket; I answered at the Mansion-house to what was asked of me - I was going to state more, but was stopped.

JAMES STOCKFORD . I am a city policeman; I was sent for, Mr. Hale delivered a half-crown to me which I produce; I have had it in my possession ever since; I did not hear the prisoner say any thing about it.

Cross-examined. Q. You were present when he gave it to Mr. Hale? A. I was not; Mr. Hale gave me the money in his presence.

MR. HALE. The money I gave the policemen is the same as I had from the prisoner; this is the half-crown- the shillings were marked also, but the three shillings he gave me, and said, were mine, were not marked.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you examined at the Mansion-house? A. I was, I think what I said was taken down and read over to me; I signed my name; I was asked whether that was what I had to say.

Q. Did you say one word about the prisoner's asking you to forgive him at the Mansion-house? A. I don't think I did, but I will swear he did say so; the fact is the Lord Mayor was in a great hurry that day; he saw enough to send the case before a Jury; I don't come here having vindictive feelings; I cannot say that any of my witnesses stated before the Lord Mayor that he asked my forgiveness, but he did ask forgiveness; I cannot tell you why I did not tell the Lord Mayor that he asked my forgiveness- I swear he did ask forgiveness.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. Did you tell the Lord Mayor, he produced the half-crown and silver, and said it was yours? A. I did.

Q. Whether you added to it that he begged your forgiveness, you will not say? A. No, the Lord Mayor committed the prisoner on the depositions; I have not come here with any design to hold back any truth or word in the case; I never had any quarrel with the prisoner; I never had the least reason to suspect him till within twelve months.

MR. PHILLIPS to JAMES HOWARD. Q. Did you say one word to the Lord Mayor about the prisoner asking forgiveness? A. I did not.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. Was your examination very short, and the Lord Mayor merely took your name as a witness? A. That was all.

JURY. Q. You say you saw the prisoner put the money into the till, and take his hand out open; might he before he put the money into the till have taken the sixpence out, and placed it on the counter? A. The till was open before he put the money in, but I did not see him give the sixpence out; he was talking to the person who came for the candles; I saw his hand come out open when he put the money in; he did not take the sixpence out, at the time he put the money in.

COURT. Q. Do you consider he had an opportunity of taking change from the till? A. The till was open before he put the money into it; he had time enough to take change from the till during the transaction; I only looked when the money chinked, he had time to take it from the till before he put the money in.

Prisoner's Defence. I beg to state I am a married man and have one child; I have been in the prosecutor's employ twelve years, seven as an apprentice. I worked with him day and night to the great injury of my health and constitution. The character Mr. Hale gave me at the Tallow Chandler's Hall at the time I was admitted, was most capital, and I have endeavoured to preserve that character up to the present time; I was never in any company, either vicious or base. I beg to state with respect to the half-crown, that it was my own property: I served Wreedon with the candles to the amount of six shillings; I put the money into the till, six shillings and sixpence; there was twenty or twenty-five shillings in the till, but neither half-crown nor sixpence; there was about fourpence in copper, but not sufficient; I had money in my pocket which I always have, having never been without it since I have been in his employ. I gave the witness sixpence out of my own pocket, I put two shillings into the till with the same hand, having hold of the handle of the till; I took the half-crown out and put it into my waistcoat pocket; I wrote the bill and receipt. I deny serving a customer at all from whom I received one shilling; I bought some fat of a woman and gave one shilling and a penny for it. As to what Howard states, I would not take his oath, he is a man who don't revere an oath. I went then about my ordinary employment, and in twenty minutes or half-an-hour Mr. Hale called me into the parlour, and asked if I had a half-crown; I produced my money, and half-a-crown among it; he said none of that was his own: I left my silver on his desk. I was astonished at his behaviour, for I believed he would trust me with hundreds. He said "Have you not another half-crown?" I said "Yes, I have one in my waistcoat pocket," and produced it from there: he said it was his; he looked at it and sent for an officer. I said "Consider what you are about, Sir." As to saying forgive me, it was the last thing in my thoughts. I was taken to the watch-house, and asked to see Mr. Hale, but was not allowed. It is not likely I should rob a master who I looked up to as a parent; I served him as if I was his son. I had received £6 from my friends the previous week, and never was without £5 or £10 while in his employ. I certainly had 28s. a week, but for nights and days together, never had my clothes off, attending to his business. I made his interest my own, and took his advice in every step in my life. I trust the character you will receive of me from respectable witnesses, will convince you I am not in a condition to do such an act. In consequence of having been so long in his service, I trust you will give me the benefit if any doubt arise. Gentlemen, I feel more acutely the situation I am placed in, in consequence of an aged parent.

John Moses Kipling, 155, Lower Thames-street; James Long , 38, Cannon-street, chop-house keeper; William Beer , 148, Upper Thames-street, bricklayer; William Bradley , coal-merchant, West street, Smithfield; John Miles , 23, Dowgate-hill; Timothy Evans , hosier, Piccadilly; Edward King , streetkeeper of Dowgate ward; William Beech , hair-dresser, Upper Thames-street; Thomas King , fishmonger, 97, Upper Thames-street; Samuel Robertson , Cannon-street, pastrycook; Thomas Pritchard, fishmonger, Swan-lane; Thomas Rolph , wine cooper, 6, Great St. Helens; John Saunders , fish factor, 57, Cannon-street; gave the prisoner a good character.

MR. FORD HALE re-examined. I know he produced the other half-crown from a coat-pocket behind him, but cannot

say whether it was the right or left - I found the other marked shillings in the till.

JURY to HOWARD. Q. Are you in the habit of serving behind the counter and taking money? A. Never; I was placed there to watch the prisoner - the other apprentice serves behind the counter, but he was not present at the time.

GUILTY. Aged 26. - Confined Three Months .

Recommended to Mercy by the Prosecutor and Jury on account of previous good character .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-40

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1062. JAMES LINDSEY, alias LINLEY , was indicted for stealing, on the 1st of June , at St. Andrew, Holborn, 1 handkerchief, value 1s., the goods of John Glenton Atkinson , from his person, and that he had been before convicted of felony .

JOHN GLENTON ATKINSON. I live at Peterborough. On the 1st of June, between eleven and twelve o'clock at night, I was walking down Holborn , and observed a handkerchief moving behind me; I turned round, and saw the prisoner with my handkerchief, as I supposed, in his possession - I exclaimed, Oh! or something, and he ran across Holborn into Fetter-lane - he might be probably within two feet of my person - nobody else was so near me except my father, who was with me; I ran after him, calling, Stop thief - I got into Fetter-lane; I never lost sight of him till he was stopped by an officer, and I seized him by the collar opposite No. 75, I think, but am not positive - my handkerchief was brought to the watch-house shorly afterwards.

Prisoner. Q. How did you first miss your handkerchief, did you see me take it? A. I happened to turn my head round, and saw you waving something - I did not go up to my father and tell him, I ran after you and caught you - I took you first; I did not see you drop the handkerchief.

Q. Did you not ask me to tell you the truth whether I took it or not? A. No; I told you not to get away when you scuffled - I did not say I would try to transport you.

CHARLE MOSS . I am a watchman of St. Andrew, Holborn. On the night of the 1st of June, I heard the cry of Stop thief; I went towards No. 75, Fetter-lane, and looked down the area grating, and perceived a handkerchief - I got it up, and the prosecutor claimed it; I did not see the prisoner till I got to the watch-house - No. 75 is on the right hand side, about two doors from Holborn.

JOHN GLENTON ATKINSON. I stopped him, I should think, six, or seven, or eight doors down Holborn, on the right hand side going from Holborn.

JAMES SLATE . I was constable of the night. I produce the handkerchief; I received it from Moss.(Property produced and sworn to.)

THOMAS SHEPPARD (police-constable G 28). I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction, which I got from the office of the Clerk of the Indictments here - I know the prisoner, and was present in April, 1832, when he was tried and convicted; he is the person mentioned in the certificate - (read) - I know him to be the man; I was not a witness on the case, but I had taken him on the charge.

Prisoner's Defence (written). The facts are as follow. On Saturday, the 1st of June last, about half-past eleven o'clock at night, I was walking in Holborn towards the City, and when near Leather-lane, and about to pass two gentlemen, one of them (the prosecutor) turned round, and feeling his pocket, accused me of taking his handkerchief; this I desied, and fearful I should be brought into trouble innocently, I attempted to make my escape and ran across the road, the prosecutor raising a cry of Stop thief, I was caught and taken to the watch-house.

GUILTY . Aged 19. - Transported for Seven Years .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-41

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1063. MARY McWILSON was indicted for stealing, on the 13th of June , at St. Mary's, Woolchurchhaw, 1 handkerchief, value 1s., the goods of Jonathan Clark , from his person .

JONATHAN CLARK . On Wednesday, the 13th of June, I was opposite the Mansion-house , a little before three o'clock; I perceived a crowd caused by the Queen paying a visit there - I immediately secured my pocket-book, and while I was doing that, I felt something at my other pocket; I turned round, and saw the prisoner hiding my handkerchief under her shawl; I took it from her.

Prisoner. It is false, I had the handkerchief in my hand; I picked it up before I came into the mob, and when I came into the mob, the gentleman said it was his - I gave it him, and he said no more; but about a quarter of an hour afterwards in Old Jewry, the gentleman came up with an officer, and gave me in custody. Witness. I followed her down Princes-street, and it occurred to me after I had taken it from her, that she might have taken a pocket-book from somebody, I immediately gave her in charge.

COURT. Q. Did she have it in her hand, and give it to you? A. Certainly, she did not; she was concealing it under her shawl - I took it from her; I felt a pressure at my pocket just before.

Prisoner. I had it in my possession five minutes before it was claimed. Witness. I had not missed it an instant; I had it safe immediately before - I had not left the Bank two minutes; she was tucking it under her shawl.

Prisoner. The mob was so great, I was obliged to turn back, and I got into Goldsmith's, at the bottom of Old Jewry. Witness. I let her go the length of Princes-street before I saw an officer - I kept her in sight all the time.

WILLIAM JEWELL EDWARDS. I am an officer, and produce the handkerchief.

GUILTY . Aged 20. - Transported for Seven Years .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-42
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1064. JOHN BROWN was indicted for stealing, on the 10th of June , 1 sheet, value 3s., the property of William Tomlin .

PRISCILLA TOMLIN . I am the wife of William Tomlin, we keep the Sun and Punch Bowl, Long-lane . The prisoner came to the house on the 10th of June, between ten and eleven o'clock at night (Sunday), and asked if he could have a bed - seeing him respectable, I said he could - he said "How much is it;" I said sixpence - he pulled a purse out of his pocket, and held one end

in the left hand, it appeared heavy; he pulled out sixpence and gave it to me - and said he wished to go to bed directly; I called up the servant, and told her to give him a bed to himself, for I thought he had a deal of money about him - he wished to be called at six o'clock - next morning I heard a bustle up-stairs, he had gone into the club-room - I had heard a bustle, and thought something was the matter, and had the door locked - I then heard him jump out of the window; my girl brought the sheet down to me folded up - I found the club-room window open, and the prisoner was gone; I had seen him that morning and told him it was the custom to stop every body in the morning while the girl went up to see if every thing was right - he said "Is that your custom?" and slipped from me, and went up-stairs, saying,"I have left something up-stairs, which I have forgot," and the next thing I heard was the servant scuffling with him - the sheet produced is mine.

Prisoner. Q. Did you see any lump behind my back? A. I could not see it, because your breast was towards me - I did not give it a thought to notice him.

MARY SWIFT . I am servant to Mrs. Tomlin - I was sent up to the prisoner's room, and missed the sheet immediately from his bed - there had been two sheets on the bed - I looked round the room to see if I could see it anywhere, and, on turning out of the room, the prisoner was standing on the stairs - I said, "Young man, you have got a sheet" - he said,"Yes; I have;" it laid on his shoulder - he said,"Don't say anything, and I will give you anything you like;" I said, Master had been robbed so much; I ran down, called out, "Lock the door, I have got the sheet, here it is;" he had unbuttoned his coat, and given it to me from his back on the stairs - I brought it to mistress - he opened the club-room window and jumped out into the street - the people called out,"Stop, stop him;" I ran out and caught him by the collar, and said "You vagabond, you shall not go;" I shook him, and assistance came and he was secured.

Prisoner. Q. Did you see the lump behind my back when I went to the door? A. I did not see you - I went up stairs immediately, and you went up to put the sheet down before I got up, but I got there before you; you had folded it so well, it made your waist look the more handsome.

GEORGE LOCK . I am a City policeman. I produce the sheet, which I received from Swift - the prisoner was being brought back by several other people - I received the sheet at the house, done up in paper.(Property produced and sworn to.)

Prisoner's Defence. I went to the house - I had been to Walworth that afternoon - I did not see a person I expected to see - I met a friend and walked with him till half-past ten o'clock, and then went to the ladies' house and took a lodging for the night; I got up at seven o'clock in the morning - the landlady asked me to stop, to see that everything was right - I stopped - she desired the servant to go up stairs - the landlady desired me not to lock the room-door that night, as she expected somebody to come there that night; I put a few half-pence and a sixpence under my pillow, and forgot my purse in the morning; I said I forgotten something, and went up and took it from the pillow; the young woman was in the room two or three minutes; I took the purse from the pillow; she said the sheet was missing, and it was between the two beds, I took it and gave it into her hand; they pushed me in the room; I did not know what charge they might bring against me, and got out of window to go to somebody to hear the right of the story.

MRS. TOMLIN. No purse was found.

GEORGE LOCK. I searched him - he had a purse with fivepence halfpenny in copper and a silver sixpence.

GUILTY. Aged 23. - Confined Two Months .

Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor, believing it his first offence .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-43

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1065. WILLIAM McCLOUD was indicted for stealing, on the 14th of May , 1 saw, value 6s., and 1 plane, value 4s. , the goods of John Winter .

MICHAEL TILLIER . I live at Smithfield-bars, and assist my brother William, who is a pawnbroker. I produce a saw and plane, pawned on the 14th of May, about six o'clock, by the prisoner, for 3s., in the name of White - I am perfectly certain of his person; I never saw him before.

Prisoner. I am not the person; the things were lost a short time afterwards, and he said at Guildhall that he had turned me out of the shop, on the Saturday previous, with a lot of things. Witness. No; I never saw him till he pawned them; I never said he came there intoxicated on the Saturday previous, and I had told him if he did not go out I would kick him out.

JOHN WINTER. I am a carpenter , and live at No. 20, King-street, Snow-hill . This plane and saw are mine; the saw has my name stamped on it in four places, and the plane is mine; I lost them on the 14th of May, between five and six o'clock in the evening from my shop, which is about two hundred yards from Smithfield-bars.

ELIZABETH ROWLAND . I am servant to Winter. I know the prisoner by sight - I saw him at master's premises on the 14th of May, about half-past six o'clock in the evening, and these articles were missed in about two hours - he came to the premises to ask for some shavings.

Prisoner. Q. Did you perceive anything in the sack when I came out? A. I was not in the shop when you came out - you had a sack on your shoulder; a little boy unlocked the gate to let him in.

The prisoner put in a written defence, denying that he had pledged the articles; and stating that Rowland was in the shop all the time he was there; that at eleven years of age he had met with a dreadful fall, which had impaired his intellects, and at times he wore a straight-waistcoat.

COURT to ELIZABETH ROWLAND . Q. How long was the prisoner in your shop? A. I can't say - I did not see him go out - I did not remain there; I saw nothing in the sack; I did not lock the door after him.

JABEZ THOROGOOD . I am a pastrycook, and live at No. 15, Old-street. I have known the prisoner five or six years; I am no relation of his; he used to work for me - I merely come to his character; at the time he worked for me he was honest, as far as I know; he worked for me about nine months, two years and a half ago - I got him a situation in Spa-fields, in the pastry line; I recommended him to a place

there - I parted with him through a disagreement about wages - he was with that master, I believe, about two months; I heard nothing amiss of him there; his master left - I have not known much of him since; he has been at work, I believe, jobbing about - he used to act in a very foolish manner when he got a little drop to drink, he was almost as if out of his senses, doing all manner of antics; I used to think it was all nonsense - he used to buy shavings and sell them again - I don't think he had his hair shaved off his head when he lived with me, but when he had a little to drink he used to be as if half mad - I don't think he knew what he was about on these occasions, he used to be at all manner of tricks; I could not manage with him at all; if he was in that way he would abuse me and when he came to himself he would not know anything about it; and he would abuse my wife, and he would declare when in his sober senses he did not recollect anything of the kind.

ELIZABETH ROWLAND . He appeared to me sober, there was nothing odd in his manner.

MICHAEL TILLIER . When he pawned the things I thought he was in liquor; he looked like a drunken man; his manner was peculiar - he knew what he was about.

TERESA HARMAN . I am the prisoner's mother; he is my first husband's child; this happened since the Queen died - his father sent him to the Crown for a pot of porter, and a lad ran against him with a wash-hand basin, and cut his head, and quite fractured it, and ever since we have always thought he was not perfect in his senses - he was never in any situation in his life, only three or four - he has been with the pastrycook eleven months, and he went to Mr. Reeves, the baker, to help take out the bakings; he has not been in any employ for fourteen months - I was left with five of them, and had not anything to lay on, and this lad was the chief support of my family - he worked very hard when he could.

Q. How was he when sober? A. When he was intoxicated he was bad, and when any body put him into a passion he did not know what he was doing.

CATHERINE HARMAN . I am the prisoner's sister-in-law, and have known him from childhood; we were brought up together till within the last three years - the doctors always said he was not right, (Sir Astley Cooper for one, as I was informed by my father) he tried to take away my life one night with a knife which he used with muffins - I had no quarrel with him; I was scouring the room and said, "Don't tread here," and he took up the knife and struck me; I defended myself - and there were many other various things which I cannot recollect - when he had a glass of anything to drink he always felt bad; and at other times on a change of the moon or sudden change of the weather.

GUILTY .* Aged 17 - Confined Six Months .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-44

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1066. JOHN DWYER was indicted for stealing on the 26th of June , 1 handkerchief, value 2s. the property of Richard Matland , from his person .

RICHARD MATLAND. I am a solicitor , and live in King-square, Goswell-road. On the morning of the 26th of June, I went down Whitecross-street , and felt a hand at my pocket, I turned round and saw the prisoner with my handkerchief in his hand, attempting to put it under his jacket; I took it from him secured him, and attempted to take him in custody; he made a blow at me and ran off; I followed and ultimately took him into custody; I never lost sight of him - I have the handkerchief here.

SAMUEL PAIN . I am a watch-finisher, and live in Ratcliff-row. About twenty minutes after ten o'clock in the morning, I saw the prisoner take the handkerchief from the gentleman's pocket; I called "Stop thief" - he ran down Whitecross-street, round a waggon twice, and was taken just by the prison.

Prisoner's Defence. I was coming down White-cross street, and some boys, I suppose, had taken the handkerchief; I immediately ran, and saw it down there; I picked it up, and the gentleman turned and said, "You have my handkerchief;" I said, "Yes, here it is."

JOHN PAIN . The prisoner took it himself and I took it from under his jacket; I saw him take it - there was nobody within fifty yards of him.

RICHARD HARDING (policeman C 90). The prisoner was given into my custody, and taken to the station-house - I received the handkerchief from the prosecutor's hands.

Daniel Herbert , 19, Long's-building, White-cross-street; Mary Roome , Compton-street, (wife of a printer who engaged to take him into her employ); Elizabeth Sechwins , 20, Long's-building; Sarah Jennings ; and Mrs. Latimer, Chisswell-street gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY . Aged 20 - Confined Six Months .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-45
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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Fourth Middlesex Jury, before John Mirehouse, Esq.

1067. HANNAH JACOBS was indicted for stealing, on the 24th of June , 1 shift, value 1s.; 1 cap, value 4d.; 4 books, value 8s.; 1 bonnet, value 4s.; 1 collar, value 4d.; and 1 handkerchief, value 4d. , the goods of Trope Orange . To which she pleaded

GUILTY . - Discharged.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-46
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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NEW COURT. Friday, July 5th, 1833.

1068. SARAH MORRIS was indicted for stealing, on the 29th of May , 2 gowns, value 19s.; 3 bed curtains, value 15s.; 1 shawl, value 7s.; 1 book, value 6s.; 1 cloak, value 3s.; and 1 yard and a half of flannel, value 1s. 6d. , the goods of Edward de Gray Hayward .

EDWARD DE GRAY HAYWARD . I live at No. 19, Arundel-street, Waterloo-town, Bethal-green ; I am a painter - I know the prisoner, she hired a room of me on the 22d of May, she staid only one week - as she was going out on the 29th of May, she said she had left her sister up stairs to wait till her return - my wife went up stairs, and found our drawers had been broken open; she came down, and told me she had been robbed of a gown, and brought down the collar of it with her - Eliza Chapman , another lodger, was there, and the prisoner spoke to her as she went out - we soon afterwards missed another gown, and some bed-furniture - this is one of the gowns, and the bed-furniture, which were pawned by the prisoner.

Prisoner. There were three of us took the room. Witness. No, only you and Chapman.

ANN HAYWARD. I am the prosecutor's wife, what he has stated is correct - I went up stairs, after the prisoner was gone, to get my shawl; I found my door open, my

drawers broken open, and some things taken out - I first missed a gown worth nine shillings; I came down and said the gown belonging to this collar was gone - Chapman was then down stairs - I afterwards missed another gown, a shawl, and some bed-furniture - Chapman told me, if I took her key, and went into their room I should find this gown in their bed, which I did, and that with her key she entered our room - I also missed a book worth 3s., and a cloak worth about 3s.; the curtains were worth about 15s.

RICHARD GEISEN . I am assistant to Mr. Dexter, a pawnbroker, in Whitechapel. I have three bed-curtains, pawned by the prisoner on the 24th of May - I have scarcely any doubt at all about her person; I pointed her out at the office immediately - they were pawned for 6s. about the middle of the day.

HENRY WEBB (police-constable H 80). I took the prisoner by desire of the prosecutor.(Property produced and sworn to).

Prisoner's Defence. I am quite innocent, I did not pawn them at all - I worked for Mr. Dudds, in Hart's-lane, for two years and a half; I left him about a month.

GUILTY. Aged 19.

Recommended to Mercy by the Jury, believing her to be the tool of Chapman .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-47
VerdictNot Guilty

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1069. MARY ANN WILSON and SAUL MATTHEWS were indicted for stealing, on the 15th of June , 1 watch, value 1l. , the goods of Daniel Grange .

MARY GRANGE . I am the wife of Daniel Grange, we live at No. 1, Mitcham-street, Marylebone , and keep a clothes shop . On the Wednesday before I lost the watch, I saw Wilson, who came to buy her child a frock - on the Saturday after, the (15th of June,) she came again, about six o'clock, to know if a shirt, which she had ordered for her little boy, was done; she stayed about two minutes, and when she was gone I missed the watch from the mantel-piece; I am certain it was there when she came in, as I looked at it to see the time - she was tipsy- I gave information - she had come towards the mantelpiece - this is it.

Wilson. She was not there. Witness. No, not at six o'clock; I was there when she came at five o'clock, to ask if the shirt was done; she then went away, she was tipsy at that time - I did not see her afterwards - I then went out at five minutes before six o'clock, and saw the watch there then.

DANIEL GRANGE . This is my watch - I was at work, and my wife came and told me of the loss of it.

CHARLES CLARK (police-constable D 117). On the 15th of June, I went with Mrs. Grange to different pawnbrokers to stop the watch - in going down Crawford-street we saw Wilson standing at a door, about half-past seven o'clock - Mrs. Grange said,"That is the woman;" I went and caught hold of her, I said I wanted her for stealing a watch from Mitcham-street - she turned and saw Mrs. Grange, and exclaimed, "O my God! I have done wrong, I know I have done wrong, but I did not pawn it" - she was rather tipsy - I saw something shine in her hand, which I thought was the watch, but I found in her hand four half-crowns, two shillings, and a sixpence - she said "I did not pawn it, Matthews pawned it" - I went and got the watch, and took Matthews.

JOHN HAIGH . I am a pawnbroker. I have the watch, which I took in of Matthews, on the 15th of June, about six o'clock in the evening - I knew him before.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. You knew him before? A. Yes, he gave his right name and address - as he was going out of our shop he met the other prisoner, and gave her something, which, I believe, was the money.

Wilson's Defence. I took the watch, and was going to take it back, when I met this prisoner, who said he would take it to pawn in his own name, and it would not be found out.


4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-48
VerdictNot Guilty

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1070. JAMES TREVILLION was indicted for stealing, on the 23rd of June , 1 necklace, value 3s., the goods of Daniel Robinson , from the person of Ann Robinson .

ELIZABETH ROBINSON . I am the wife of Daniel Robinson - my little girl 's name is Ann - on the 23rd of June, she went out with her sister, and had a necklace on, her sister came back and said she had lost it.

ELIZABETH ROBINSON, Jun. I was out with my sister on the 23rd of June, I was in Bartholomew-square ; my sister was walking, and a boy took the necklace, but it was not the prisoner.


4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-49
VerdictGuilty; Guilty

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1071. MARY THOMAS and MARY SMITH were indicted for stealing, on the 20th of June , 12 sovereigns, the monies of Samuel Farrington , from his person .

SAMUEL FARRINGTON. I am a canal boatman . On Wednesday, the 19th of June, I was in town - I did not know either of the prisoners before; but I was at the Castle that night having a drop of beer, after we had cleared our boat, and I was too late to get into the yard; I then fell in with the prisoner Smith, and we went to the Leopard; when we got there, there were some loose men about, and as I had some money with me, the landlord advised me to leave my money with him, which I did - Smith was there with me at the time, but Thomas was not - I gave the landlord thirteen sovereigns and a half - I suppose it was ten or eleven o'clock, or it might be after; Smith still kept in company with me, and we when to Thomas house, No. 7, Ball-yard - I cannot tell whether I saw Thomas there that night, as it was late - I cannot tell; we did not have any liquor there that I know of - I slept there, and I believe Smith slept with me; I found her aside of me the next morning - I got up in the morning and wanted my money, and Smith went with me to fetch it; I received it about eight o'clock - Smith and I had a little something to drink there, and we went back - I did not feel well by a great deal, and I said, I would go back and lay down upon the bed a little bit; I went back and laid down on the same bed I believe - I had my money in my breeches pocket - I had seen Thomas in the house that morning, and I fancy I gave her something to drink - Thomas was not in the room where I laid down; as Smith and I went up by ourselves up two pair of stairs - I don't know whether it was a room that Smith used or not - I laid down with my clothes on, and Smith as well; I fell asleep, and slept for about an hour; I then awoke, Smith

was still on the bed, and I did not offer to awake her - I did not notice whether she was asleep or not, but I went down as fast as I could, as I found my pocket had been cut and the money gone out - I went down, but Thomas was not there - I sat down considering what I must do; after a while, the policeman came in and said, he had taken the woman that had got my money, and I went to Worship-street - I went to sleep that night at the Castle, and the next morning, when I got up and was dressing myself, my purse laid on the floor with a sovereign and a half in it - I had put my money into my purse when I received it of the landlord; I suppose they had taken the purse out of my pocket, and left me the sovereign and a half to do what I liked with - I believe the prisoners are the women.

Cross-examined by MR. BARRY. Q. You are not quite sure they are the women? A. Yes, they are the women - I was not very drunk when I got to the Leopard - I was middling - I don't justly know where I met Smith, but we went to the Leopard together, and we went there again in the morning; we had not drank anything till we got there - I think I had half a pint of beer there - I did not sup the night before with these women, and have fish for supper - I did not give Thomas my money to take care of for me.

JOSEPH CRANE . I keep the Leopard public-house in Seward-street, Goswell-street. On the Wednesday evening the prosecutor came to my house with two other men and two females - Smith was one of them, but Thomas was not - the prosecutor was not very tipsy; he called for half a pint of gin, which I served him with; he took his purse out to pay for it, and dropped his purse on the floor; I could tell by the sound that there was a good bit of money in it - I called him into the bar and persuaded him to leave his money till the morning, as he was rather in liquor, which he refused to do - but after a good deal of persuading he did, and went away; he wanted more liquor, which I refused to let him have - on the Thursday morning, he came in company with Smith, between eight and nine o'clock, for his money, I counted it out, and gave it him, there were thirteen sovereigns and a half; he had had fourteen sovereigns the night before, and changed one half sovereign to pay for what he had to drink.

THOMAS MIDDLESEX (police-constable, G 196). On Thursday afternoon, the 20th of June, a man came down and said, there was a woman with a great deal of property about her, and she had dropped four sovereigns and some silver on the ground; I went out with Kelly, and found Thomas standing drunk against the wall, between four and five o'clock - Kelly left me to go after a woman who they thought had been robbing Thomas, but I sung out for him to return to me, as Thomas began to bite me - we took her to the station-house; in going along she said, "It was not me that robbed the Captain, it was Deaf Poll;" I began to search Thomas and four sovereigns fell from her- we searched her further, and found another sovereign on her, and four sovereigns and a half in the corner of her handkerchief, and some silver and copper in her pocket, amounting altogether to 10l. 11s. 01/4d.; there were nine sovereigns and a half in gold, one pound in silver and one shilling, and a farthing in copper.

THOMAS KELLY (police-constable, G 224). I was with Middlesex; what he has stated is correct - I knew who was meant by Deaf Poll; Smith goes by that name.

HENRY BERESFORD (police-sergeant, G 8). On the Thursday afternoon, Thomas and two other women were brought in; the money was found on Thomas as has been described - when the four sovereigns fell from her, I asked her if that was all she had, and she distinctly said, Yes; she was then searched and the rest of the money was found - she said,"Deaf Poll took it and gave it me" - I went out, and from what I heard, I went to No. 7, Ball-yard (I asked her if she lived there? she said, Yes), I found the prosecutor there dozing; I asked him if he had been robbed? he said, Yes, of all his money - I took him to the station-house, and he identified Thomas; and before the Magistrate he stated the same - I searched him on the Thursday, but did not find any money, but I suspect the purse, with the sovereign and a half in it, had slipped down his trousers - he went to sleep that night at the Castle, and told me the next morning, that he found his purse and the sovereign and half on the floor.

Thomas's Defence. He gave me the money, and told me to go for some fish, as I went I met two women who saw me drunk and wanted to take it from me - the prosecutor told me to keep the money for him; he kept a sovereign and a half, which he put into his purse - he was drunk when he gave it me.

SAMUEL FARRINGTON. No, I don't recollect it; I should not have began feeling for my money when I awoke if I had - I believe Smith is innocent.

THOMAS - GUILTY . Aged 40.

SMITH - GUILTY . Aged 21.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-50
VerdictGuilty > theft under 100s

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1072. EDMUND WELLS and JOSEPH WELLING were indicted for stealing - on the 8th of June , 10 spoons, value 6l.; 1 pair of sugar-tongs, value 15s; and 1 fork, value 10s., the property of James Batt , in his dwelling-house .

JAMES BATT . My dwelling-house is at Hayes, in the county of Middlesex . I was not at home when this happened, but I know this property to be mine.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Have you any other Christian name? A. No; Hayes is a village and a parish also.

ELIZABETH BATT . I am the wife of the prosecutor. On the 8th of June, about ten o'clock, I received this plate from my man - I put part of it into the drawer in the dining room, and part on the sideboard; I did not see either of the prisoners - but, a little after eleven o'clock, I found a pair of nut-crackers on the floor, I then looked and missed the plate, and told a neighbour of it.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you not hear a sound of carriage wheels? A. Yes.

WILLIAM TRIPP . I work on the road. I was informed of this; I went along the road, and saw Welling between the ten and eleven mile-stone, about a mile and a half from the prosecutor's - it was then about half-past twelve o'clock; I asked him what he had to sell in his basket - he said some little pincushions; I turned them aside, and saw some silver spoons under the shavings; I said "You have got some spoons, I want to buy some spoons" - he said they were not for sale; I told him I must have him and his

basket altogether; I gave him to Mr. Bradbury; I did not see Wells till after he was taken.

Cross-examined by MR. BARRY. Q. Had you seen them together at all? A. No; I did not observe any woman with a child in her arms near the spot; I did not hear of any woman being taken that day.

THOMAS BRADBURY . Mr. Batt told me of what had happened - I took my horse and cart and went after the thieves, and met Tripp with the prisoner Welling - I delivered him and the basket to Mrs. Batt; I know nothing of Wells.

WILLIAM BASSETT , I am a horse-patrol. I received charge of Welling, and this basket with the property in it.

HENRY CLARK . I live at Hayes. On the day of the robbery I saw the two prisoners in company, about two hundred yards from the prosecutor's, about a quarter-past ten o'clock in the morning - they were going towards the prosecutor's, and Welling had a basket.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Did you know either of them? A. No; I am a grocer; they were walking towards the prosecutor's, but the main road leads to a great many other places.

JOSEPH LACY . I live at Hayes. On the day stated, I saw the two prisoners between eleven and twelve o'clock coming down the lane which leads to the prosecutor's - they were two or three hundred yards from the house - Welling had a basket, and Wells had his hand in the basket, and seemed to be covering something over while Welling carried it; I afterwards went in pursuit of the prisoners, and saw Wells walking up the road towards London, about one hundred yards before Welling, between the ten and eleven mile-stones.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Did you search him? A. No; nor did I see him searched; there is no house between where I saw them together and the prosecutor's, but it is a public road.(Property produced and sworn to.)

Mary Ward, of London-road; John Laws, Townsend-street, and William Guest, Nill-place, deposed to Well's good character, and Mr. Ward offered to employ him.



Of stealing under the value of £5 .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-51
VerdictNot Guilty

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1073. JOHN SPRING was indicted for stealing, on the 23rd of June . 1 watch, value 10s. , the property of William Marsh .

WILLIAM MARSH . I am a chimney-sweeper . I lost a watch from our cellar on the 23rd of June.

RICHARD JOHNS . I had the care of this lad's watch, and I hung it in our barrack, close by our bed - the prisoner worked for my father - he was there the day the watch was lost, and three or four other persons - I missed it in a few minutes after he went out.

RICHARD HAVANT . I am a pawnbroker - I have the watch - I took it in of a young man, but not the prisoner.


4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-52
VerdictGuilty; Guilty

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1074. ROBERT PULLEN and JOHN WRIGHT were indicted for stealing, on the 18th of April , 1 handkerchief, value 4s., the goods of Henry Johnston , from his person .

THOMAS SEWELL . I am a currier. On the 18th of April I was in Weymouth-terrace, Hackney-road - I saw the two prisoners together - I had seen them before, and knew them by sight - I saw Mr. Johnston there, and Wright attempted three or four times to pick his pocket - he held the tail of his coat with one hand, and endeavoured to take his handkerchief out with the other; Pullen was by his side at the time - I watched them for four or five minutes; Mr. Johnston then turned down Weymouth-terrace, and Wright pulled out his handkerchief, and they both ran off together; I told the prosecutor, and the prisoners were taken in a month or five weeks.

Wright. He at first said the pocket was picked in Hackney-road, and afterwards in Weymouth-terrace, which is one hundred and fifty yards out of the road; and he told the gentleman he would pursue and get the handkerchief back if he would give him 2s.

Witness. No; I did not - I ran after them, but could not find them - when I told the prosecutor he had lost his handkerchief, he felt his pocket, and said "So I have."

HENRY JOHNSTON . On the 18th of April I was in Hackney-road - I can't say where I had my pocket picked, but Sewell came and spoke to me - "I said I don't think I have got my handkerchief, I have left it in my other coat pocket;" I did not say where, but the coat was at my office- I did not go there again till the next morning, and the handkerchief was not in it - when Sewell told me of my loss, he pointed out two boys, but I could not say who they were - he said if I would give him 2s, he would go after them, as he was a poor lad out of employ; he did not run after them at that time.

JOHN ARCHER . On the 18th of April I was at the corner of Haggerston-lane, where I have stood for ten years selling fruit; I saw Mr. Johnston, and the two prisoners followed him down Haggerston-lane; I saw Wright making an attempt to pick his pocket, whether he did or not I cannot say, but the two prisoners were in company together, and I had seen them before in the road.

JURY. Q. Do you recollect how they were dressed? A. Wright had a fustian jacket on - I did not notice the others dress.

COURT. Q. You knew them before, and swear they were attempting Mr. Johnston's pocket? A. Yes.

THOMAS SEWELL re-examined. Wright had a light fustian coat on, and the other a blue jacket.

GEORGE KEMP (police-constable N 82). I took Pullen from information from the witnesses - Wright was taken on another charge.

Wright's Defence. Both Kemp and the other witnesses have seen me a dozen times since, but never attempted to take me. On the 4th of May I was taken on another charge, and the magistrate said he should discharge me, but Kemp came down and took me on this.

GEORGE KEMP. I have had the prisoner before - there was another charge against him this time, but the prosecutor would not come forward on that charge.



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Reference Numbert18330704-53

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1075. JOHN MORRIS was indicted for stealing, on

the 30th of May , 1 chair, value 11s. , the property of William Rivett .

WILLIAM RIVETT . I am the son of William Rivett - he lives at No. 50, Crown-street , and keeps a broker's shop . On the 30th of May we were told a person had taken a chair; I went out with my father, and we overtook the prisoner a quarter, of a mile from our house, carrying this chair on his shoulder - it is my father's property.

HENRY GOODE . I saw the prisoner coming down Long-alley with the chair; the prosecutor and his son came up and took it off his shoulder close by me.

Prisoner's Defence. His father came up and took the chair and struck me - I did not take the chair; I was going to the dock for employ, and a man asked me if I would earn a shilling; I said yes, and he placed the chair on my shoulder - I was going down Long-alley, and I was taken - I am a cabinet maker by trade, but was out of work. GUILTY . - Discharged.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-54
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1076. WILLIAM WINSPER was indicted for stealing, on the 21st of May , 1 reticule, value 1s.; 1 handkerchief, value 6d.; 4 half-crowns; 9 shillings; 2 sixpences, and 21/2d. in copper, the property of Maria Yda Korff , from her person .

MARIA YDA KORFF. I am single . On the 21st of May, about nine o'clock in the evening, I was walking along Shoreditch - I had my reticule on my arm, which contained my handkerchief, four half-crowns, nine shillings, two sixpences, and twopence halfpenny in copper - as I was walking along my reticule was cut from my arm; I turned and saw a man run across the road - I cannot tell who it was - I told a gentleman, who went in pursuit of the person - I went to the station-house in a quarter of an hour, and saw my reticule there.

THOMAS EDMUND BOYCE HUNTLEY . The prosecutrix spoke to me, and I pursued the person she pointed out - I never lost sight of him till he was taken by two gentlemen; he turned out to be the prisoner - I saw the reticule at the station-house.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. A. Are either of the gentlemen who stopped him here? Yes, one of them- there was no turning in the course the prisoner ran.

GEORGE PAYNE . I was walking along Shoreditch, and heard some person cry out, Stop thief; I turned and saw the prisoner running across the road, and Mr. Boyce pursuing him - I pursued the prisoner, and nearly overtook him, when a gentleman stopped him; he threw down a small bundle, which was the reticule; the gentleman took it up - I went with the prisoner to the station-house - I saw the prosecutrix with the strings of the reticule.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you mean you saw the prisoner throw it away? A. Yes.

WILLIAM HOLMES (police-constable G 37). I came up and the prisoner was given to me.

FRANCIS BROWN (police-sergeant G 10). I saw a mob and went up, and this reticule was given to me.(Property produced and sworn to.)

George Burrell , Dorset-street, Spitalfields; Edward Riley : Robert Barwell; and Catherine Lynch ; deposed to the prisoner's previous good character.

GUILTY. Aged 18.

Recommended to mercy by the prosecutor and jury .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-55

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1077. JOHN JONES was indicted for stealing, on the 9th of June , 1 handkerchief, value 4s., the goods of Thomas Ross Weddell , from his person .

THOMAS ROSS WEDDELL . I am an accountant . On the 9th of June, I was in Tabernacle-walk, near the City-road ; I felt a tug at my pocket; I turned and saw a lad near me much less than the prisoner, whom I put my hand upon, but seeing the prisoner before, who seemed to have the handkerchief in his hand folding it up, I called out, Stop thief - the prisoner ran and dropped the handkerchief; I took it up and pursued him, but he went down a court, and I lost sight of him, but almost immediately after I saw him in custody.

THOMAS FEW (police-constable, G 154). I heard a cry of, Stop thief - I saw the prisoner run and turn the court; I knew it came round into Tabernacle-row - I ran round, and met him coming out of the court; I said, I wanted him - I took him back and met the prosecutor with the handkerchief in his hand.

Prisoner's Defence. We met the prosecutor with the handkerchief, but he is decidedly wrong in saying it was me.

GUILTY . Aged 18.

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Reference Numbert18330704-56

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1078. GEORGE HUTCHINSON was indicted for stealing, on the 1st of July , 1 coat, value 1l.; 1 waistcoat, value 5s., and 1 pair of trousers, value 10s., the goods of Simon Giles and another .

SIMON GILES . I have one partner; we are clothes salesmen , and live at No. 37, Brook-street, Holborn ; I did not know the prisoner myself, but he had been in the habit of coming to our place; and we had from time to time missed various articles - on the 1st of July, I secreted myself in a back-room on the first floor, near our showroom; the prisoner was there looking at some goods - I saw him distinctly through the glass; it was between one and two o'clock - I saw him run over several waistcoats, then some trousers, and then some new blue coats; he then threw off his own coat, put on a new blue coat, and his own coat over it - he then went down with a pair of trousers in his hand, and said to my man, "There is nothing will suit me to day; but these, put them on one side for me" - he then went out - we let him go across the road, then called him back and accused him of having the coat on - he denied it - that I positively swear - we took him up stairs, and begged a person who was there in coloured clothes to step up merely as a witness, but the person said he was an officer in the police, we found this waistcoat concealed, in his hat and in the coat-pocket we found this pair of trousers - they are mine, and have all my marks on them.

JOSEPH PARROTT (police-constable, E 78). I was present and found the articles on the prisoner as has been stated - he had this handkerchief on him, but no money at all.

Prisoner. I leave myself entirely to the mercy of the Court.

GUILTY . Aged 29.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-57
VerdictNot Guilty

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1079. JOSEPH ROBERTS was indicted for felo

niously receiving on the 7th of December , 1 shirt, value 15s; and 2 half crowns; the property of Sarah Hickin , well knowing them to have been stolen , against the Statute.

2nd COUNT, stating them to be the property of William Snilgrove .

SARAH HICKIN. I am the daughter of Hannah Hickin , No. 14, Poultney-street, White Conduit-fields. I am eleven years and a half old; I have known the prisoner two years and a half, he kept the toll gate in Hackney-road , and when we lived in Hackney-road, I bacame acquainted with him. My mother takes in washing - I go to fetch the dirty linen, and take the things home to the customers, and receive the money, which I ought to take home to my mother. I have given the prisoner a great many half crowns - I gave them to him because he persuaded me to do so; I remember the month of December, it is six months ago - I gave him some then, he told me he wanted to go to the country to see his father and mother, and when he came back, he would return it to me. I told him it was my mother's money, and we wanted it at home; when I went home I told my mother I had no money - I gave him a shirt in December - I did not give it to him, he took it out of my bundle and said it would just do for him to wear; I said it was too large for him; he said if it was he would pledge it. I asked what pledging was, he said, "Taking it to the shops where you see watches hanging in the window, come here, and I will show you one;" he took it to Mr. Harris's, pawned it for four shillings and kept the money - he used to meet me when I went out with my mothers' linen.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. You are nearly as old as he is? A. He is older than I am, Sir; he took the shirt from me against my will, I am sure of that - the money had never been in my mother's possession at all; I went to the pawnbroker's with him and stood outside, while he went in and pawned the shirt - I wanted to get it from him, he stole it from me against my will; I did not want him to take it, nor give him leave to take it - I did not tell my mother of it when I went home, for fear she should beat me - he took the half-crowns from me against my will.

COURT. Q. Did he have a shirt of you on the 7th of December? A. Yes Sir, and two half-crowns; I did not give them to him; he would not let me pass - he never took any liberties with me.


4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-58
VerdictNot Guilty

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1080. JOSEPH ROBERTS was again indicted for receiving on the 18th of December , 1 shirt, value 10s.; the property of Hannah Hickin , well knowing it to have been stolen , against the Statute.

2nd COUNT, stating it to be the property of James Shepherd .

SARAH HICKIN. I met the prisoner in December - I don't remember the day, but it was just by Hoxton-square; I had been to Mr. Shepherd's and Mr. Tisley's that day - the prisoner took Mr. Shepherd's shirt from me - I did not give it him; he asked me to go down Hackney-road a little way with him, and he took it to Mr. Harris's shop and pawned it, I stood outside - he took the shirt from me by force - I did not call out; I don't know why I went with him and stood at the pawnbroker's door - I did not tell my mother of it, she found it out on the last day of May; the prisoner had asked me if my mother had missed the shirt; I told him no; when she did find it out, I told her a woman took it from me.

Q. Did you not tell the magistrate "He asked me if I had any shirts or cravats in the bundle, and I said yes; he said, you can give me one out, your mother will not miss it - I said, she will; and he said, she will not; and I gave him a shirt." Witness. A. No Sir; I did not - they must have mistaken the word.

HANNAH HICKIN. When I missed the shirts, she told me they were lost, but not in what manner - I thought she had dropt them out of the bundle.


4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-59
VerdictNot Guilty

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1081. JOSEPH ROBERTS was again indicted for receiving on the 21st of December , 10s., the monies of Hannah Hickin , well knowing them to have been stolen .

2nd COUNT, stating it to be the monies of Samuel Tisley .

SARAH HICKIN . I don't remember the 21st of December, but I gave the prisoner some shillings - I cannot tell what day it was, but I gave them to him between whiles - I received some money of Mr. Tisley, and some of Mr. Blackmore; the prisoner stopt me on my road home, and took it away from me against my will; I did not cry out - I did not tell my mother of it.

JURY. Q. Where was the money when he took it from you? A. In my right hand; there were a great many people passing, but I did not cry out - my mother asked me if I had any money, and I said no; but I told my sister if she would not tell mother, I would tell her, and I told her I gave the money to Roberts.


4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-60
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1082. JAMES CAREY was indicted for stealing on the 9th of June , 1 handkerchief, value 1s., the goods of Johanna Sullivan , from her person .

JOHANNA SULLIVAN. I am single . On the 9th of June, I was at the Cock public-house in Golden-lane , it was on Sunday, about seven o'clock in the morning - I went to have a pint of beer with a friend of mine; the prisoner was there; a young woman and I had some words, and the prisoner tapped me on the shoulder, and said, "My good girl go on give it her;" I said, "My good man, I don't wish to have any words with the woman, and you are not a good man to wish me to do it" - I then missed my handkerchief off my neck - I turned and saw the prisoner with it in his hand; he ran out of the house, I pursued and asked him for it - he knocked me down and struck and kicked me on the ground.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. How many fights have you been in? A. I cannot say - I never had but this black eye which I received from the prisoner's friend - the young woman and I had some words, but no blows; this was in a wine vaults; there were some persons present - I suppose more than ten, looking at the fight; I had taken my cap off, and the young woman had taken her's off - I kept my cap in my hand; I took it off for fear it should be torn - I had no shawl on; I was not fighting - I had nothing to drink but a pint of beer - I don't exactly think I was drunk - I mean to represent I was sober; it was about nine o'clock in the morning - I had had no

breakfast; I had been up all night at a wake - I had not drank anything there - I saw others drink, but I had not taken any; a woman who took me to the wine vaults, paid for the pint of beer - to the best of my belief the prisoner was drunk - he was more drunk than I was; I had not been a quarter of an hour with the prisoner, but I had been about an hour in the wine vaults; I had had no sleep that night; the wake was about ten yards from the wine vaults - I get my living by selling fruit; I do not walk the street - I will swear that; I cannot recollect how many times I have been in custody - I was once in for having a row with the overseer; I did not beat him, but if you only ask for relief, they will send you to prison for three weeks; I was not indicted for the assault - I was a month in prison at one time, and three weeks at another.

GEORGE FALSHAW . I am a saw maker, and live in Golden-lane. I was not at seven o'clock that morning, and saw the prisoner running down the lane, and the prosecutrix after him, she called, stop him - I went up and saw him strike her and knock her down; she asked him for her handkerchief, he swore he had no handkerchief, and knocked her down again, and walked away, leaving her on the pavement; the policeman came up and was going to take her; the prisoner stood swearing that he had not got the handkerchief, and the prosecutrix crossed over to him, took hold of his breast, and said he had the handkerchief there, but he had not - I saw this handkerchief half way out of his pocket; I told the policeman of it, who put his hand and drew it out - the prosecutrix said it was her's.

Cross-examined. Q. Don't you think any one else could have seen this yellow handkerchief as well as you? A. Yes, the prisoner was not sober - I cannot say he was drunk, but he was not sober; he knew what he was about, and so did the prosecutrix - she did not see the handkerchief, but she had been knocked about in that cruel manner which makes a deal of difference - the prisoner was hiding the handkerchief - I have heard the prosecutrix swear it was nine o'clock in the morning, and then she had been an hour in the wine-vaults, but it was seven.

GEORGE GLADWELL (police-constable G 23). I came up and saw a mob, and the prosecutrix told me the prisoner had robbed her of her handkerchief; I asked if she meant to give him in charge; she kept pulling at him to give it her - I endeavoured to disperse the people; I saw the prisoner with his back against the shutter, endeavouring to get rid of the handkerchief at the back of his pocket - I asked the prosecutrix what colour her handkerchief was; she said, a yellow one torn at two corners.

Cross-examined. Q. Was the last witness there? A. Yes, he came up just afterwards - whether he was there when the prosecutrix said this, I don't know - she told me three or four times that it was a yellow handkerchief - I had never seen her before - it was between seven and eight in the morning - she had her cap on when I saw her, and to black eye.

HENRY BERESFORD (police-serjeant G 8). I was at the station-house when the charge was brought in; I know the prosecutrix well, and have known her for some time - the prisoner denied all knowledge of the handkerchief - I asked the prosecutrix to state what charge she had against him, which she did; he then said somebody must have put it into his pocket.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you mean to say that after the handkerchief had been taken from him by the last witness, that he said, he knew nothing of it? A. Yes, he said at first he knew nothing of the handkerchief; but after hearing what the prosecutrix said, he turned round and said, somebody must have put it into his pocket - the prosecutrix sells apples about the street - I was at Worship-street when she was brought up and committed.

Prisoner's Defence. I was not guilty of taking it, she gave it me, and a bunch of flowers, and her cap - she gave me another handkerchief, an old red one, but the officer told her to stick to one handkerchief, and she would overthrow me - she confessed that she put this handkerchief into my pocket when I was tipsy.

James Leonard , a cow-keeper; John Weady ; Mary Hughes , William Williams , and Elizabeth Shuman , of Angel and Porter-court, gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY. Aged 32. - Recommended to Mercy by the Jury .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-61

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1083. HENRY EVANS was indicted for stealing, on the 6th of April , 1 table cloth, value 4s.; 1 pillow, value 4s.; 1 sheet, value 3s.; and 1 prayer-book, value 2s. ; the goods of George Case .

GEORGE CASE. I am married, and am a carpenter - I lived in Ironmonger-row , where I rented two rooms - the furniture in those two rooms was mine - I went to the London Hospital in March last; the prisoner was then a patient in the same ward; my wife came there every afternoon while I was there - the prisoner saw her, and I have often seen them talking together - I afterwards removed from there to St. Bartholomew Hospital; and on the 3rd of May, a friend of mine brought me a key, and said, my wife was going out to two or three day's work - I went from the hospital to my place and found it completely gutted - I have found the duplicates of a great deal of my property - I have not seen my wife since, and do not know where she is - my property was worth 10l. at least - I gave information, and the prisoner was taken on the 25th of May - I had never seen him from the time I left the London Hospital.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. You have lost your wife entirely? A. Yes; I left the London Hospital some time in April, near the beginning - I did not miss any of these articles then; I did not take notice.

DANIEL BARD (police-constable G 141). The prosecutor spoke to me on the 24th of May, and I took the prisoner about eleven o'clock on the following evening; he denied knowing Case at first, but he afterwards told me he had never robbed him, but had lived with his wife, and that if I would let him go and take no notice that I had seen him, he would go down on his knees, and beg pardon - I said I could not think of such a thing - he then said, "I will bid you good night," and ran away; I pursued, and took him in Cross-street - I found no property on him.

GEORGE CASK re-examined. Q. Did the prisoner hear you and your wife converse? A. Yes, she came every day; he heard me call her my wife scores of times.

HENRY BERESFORD (police-serjeant G 8). I received the prisoner at the station-house; I said to him "This is

rather a more serious charge than the other; you have run away with a man's wife" - he said, "What do you think they will do with me?" I said, "What have you done with the man's property?" he said, "I only pawned five articles, and as a proof that I did not do it to rob him; I pawned one in Case's name."

WILLIAM ROBINSON . I am a pawnbroker and live in Crown-street, Finsbury. I have a pillow and a table-cloth pawned by the prisoner, one in the name of Henry Evans , and the other " George Case , by Henry Evans ."

Cross-examined. When he brought the table cloth, I believe you asked whether they were his own? A. Yes, and he said, no, and gave his own name, and that of the prosecutor - but he had pawned the other article two days before, and said it was his own.

LEONARD CLARE MATTHEWS . I have a sheet pawned by the prisoner on the 4th of April, in the name of Henry Evans , 16, Ironmonger-row - he said it was his own.

RICHARD ATTENBOROUGH . I am a pawnbroker, and live in Crown-street. I have a book pawned on the 1st of April, in the name of John Case, I cannot say by whom; I gave this duplicate for it.

GEORGE CASE. I found these duplicates on the floor in the house - I know this property to be mine.

Prisoner's Defence. I own I pawned the things, by order of his wife - we first got acquainted in the London Hospital; she invited me to go to her house, and asked me to stop, which I did - Mr. Matthews never asked me whose property it was, only my name; the other things were moved out by some man, because his wife said he was behind in his rent; the bed was pawned for 25s. by Mrs. Wheeler.

JURY to GEORGE CASE. Q. Did you allow your wife any maintenance? A. She had a family's washing in Holborn, and need not have pawned any thing; the bed was pawned on the 1st of May.

GUILTY . Aged. 27.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-62
VerdictNot Guilty

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1084. ELIZABETH CHAPMAN was indicted for stealing, on the 12th of June , 1 gown, value 2s.; 2 yards of linen, value 9d., and 2 yards and a half of cotton, value 2s. , the goods of Thomas Smith .

SARAH SMITH . I am the wife of Thomas Smith, we live at No. 1, Meeting-house-court, Blackfriars . I have known the prisoner for some time; on the 12th of June, she came about half-past ten o'clock in the morning a little intoxicated - I asked her to lay down, and I went out leaving her there - I returned in an hour and a half, and missed the property stated; she was afterwards taken on another charge, and I went to Clerkenwell; I saw her there with my gown on her back - I have not recovered the other property - she used to work at fur-work.

STEPHEN WHITEHEAD (police-constable G 207). I took the prisoner on another charge, and this gown was on her back.

SARAH SMITH . This is my gown, I bought the duplicate of it of the prisoner for tenpence, and one shilling it was pledged for.

Prisoner's Defence. She never gave me a farthing for the duplicate - I asked her to mind it, and she told me she took it out; she had asked me to pawn it for one shilling and sixpence, but she had stolen one shilling from me; and I considered it as mine.


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Reference Numbert18330704-63

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1085. MARY DALEY was indicted for stealing, on the 18th of June , 1 watch, value 20s.; 2 spoons, value 4s., and 2 shillings , the property of Joseph Connell .

ESTHER CONNELL . I am the wife of Joseph Connell, he lives in Waterloo-town, near Bethnal-green workhouse . I have known the prisoner nearly twenty years, but I had dropped her acquaintance; but on the 18th of June, I met her accidentally, and took her home to tea - I then came and brought my boy's tea to Hackney-road - when I went home, I laid down and dropped asleep, and the prisoner took the key, and got the property, and went away; I am sure the property was all safe in my drawer when I went to sleep, in this little box, and the drawer was locked - the prisoner had seen me take 1s., out of this box, to lend to a witness who had asked me for one, and I said I had no money but my child's, which I had saved up - I have seen the watch and the spoons since, but the two shillings are lost.

MARGARET COLLS . I was at the prosecutor's when the prisoner roame there - I saw her take a shilling out of this box and lend to me; the prisoner was there then - the rest of the property was there safe.

GEORGE KIRBY . I am a pawnbroker and live in Whitechapel-road. I have a watch and two spoons pawned by a man on the 18th of June.

WILLIAM BARRY . I am an officer. I took the prisoner, but found nothing on her; she said she had nothing to do with it.

Prisoner. The prosecutrix said I had better go home, as she expected her lodger to come in - she has always been in the habit of having bad characters there; her son was in the House of Correction - and the apron she has on now was made out of the shirt given him when he came out.

SARAH CONNELL . I have had no lodger for months back; I had two women lodged there at one time, one went out to work, and the other was a weaveress.

JURY to COLLS. Q. Did you see what the box contained? A. Yes, I looked in and saw two silver spoons, a watch, and half-a-crown in money - I left the house as soon as she had locked up the box again; I asked the prisoner if she was going home - she said "No, but to stop all night," the prosecutrix said she might, and then the prosecutrix laid down.

GUILTY . Aged 52.

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Reference Numbert18330704-64

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1086. WILLIAM DELL was indicted for stealing, on the 26th of June , 1 sovereign , the money of John Henman .

JOHN HENMAN . I am a feather-bed and mattress manufacturer , and live in Charles-street, City-road - I had known the prisoner as an errand-boy ; on the 26th of June, he called with Mrs. Borwick's compliments, and would I lend her a sovereign, as a gentleman had come for a bill, and she run short - I said I did not know him; he told he lived at Mr. Crump's, and then at Mrs. Borwick's - I at length lent him the sovereign for Mrs. Borwick, but I saw he did not go the way to her house,

which caused my suspicion - I gave information, and he was taken on the Sunday.

ELIZABETH BORWICK . I know the prisoner and I know Mr. Henman, but I never sent the prisoner to borrow a sovereign.

WILLIAM MAYNARD (police-constable G 113). I took the prisoner; he said he was not aware he was doing wrong in using Mrs. Borwick's name.

Prisoner. I was out of work, and heard of a place if I could get a little money to go on with.

GUILTY . Aged 18.

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Reference Numbert18330704-65

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1087. THOMAS HUMM was indicted for stealing, on the 23rd of June , 4 shillings, 2 sixpences, 2 pence, and 4 halfpence, the monies of Matthew Whitehead , from his person .

MATTHEW WHITEHEAD. I am a silk-weaver . I met the prisoner at the corner of Church-street and Brick-lane, on Sunday morning, the 23rd of June - I had not seen him before, but he asked me to have a drop of beer; I said I would be a pint to his pint, and we had a pot - he then asked me to go to Whitechapel with him, which I did, and we had some drink at two public-houses - I then fell asleep, and lost the money stated out of my pockets - I had four shillings, and two sixpences in my trousers pocket, and two penny pieces, and four halfpence in my waistcoat pocket; I slept about four hours - I saw the prisoner again on the Monday, and asked him if he meant to give me my money back - he said he had not had it; I asked him to come with me to where I lost it, and I would show him a witness who saw him take it - he went a little way and then refused to go any further; he snapped his finger in my face and said, I might do my worst; he went off, and I saw him no more.

Prisoner. I never had a farthing of it.

JAMES THORP . I went into a public-house in Whitechapel, about half-past eight that morning - I saw the prosecutor asleep, and the prisoner sitting beside him; the prisoner asked me if I would take a glass of ale, and I thought he knew me, but I had no recollection of him; I said I would have a glass of ale, and he then asked me to have a pipe the prisoner was then filling the glass and he broke it; he said to me "Don't say anything about this; I will tell him he broke it;" he then withdrew from the table, and said "I will go and feel in his pocket if he has got any money to pay for it;" I said "You had better not feel in his pocket but awake him;" he felt in his pockets, and took out some money, I do not know how much; he said the prosecutor was a great rogue; that he had a wife and five children, and he had not been home all night, and if he could get his money to take home it would be a good thing; he then counted the money on the opposite table to where I was; we should not have let him take it if he had not said that.

WILLIAM MEDLEY . (police-constable H 20.) I took the prisoner on the Saturday night, in his own house, concealed under the bedstead; he said if he had taken the money he had forgotten it.

MATTHEW WHITEHEAD re-examined. I am not married; the prisoner is a stranger to me.

GUILTY . Aged 41.

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Reference Numbert18330704-66

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1088. JOHN THOMAS was indicted for stealing, on the 19th of June , 1 watch value 30s. the property of Richard Turner .

MARY ALLSOP . I am a servant to Richard Turner; he keeps a public-house in Laystall-street ; on the 19th of June, the prisoner was there - I had known him before, he had frequented our house - I saw him that day standing near the bar between six and seven o'clock - the watch was there hanging up in its usual place - I left the bar to go into the tap-room to do my work - I returned at seven o'clock, and missed the watch - the prisoner was then gone- he returned soon afterwards, and I told my mistress.

HENRY ROWLISSON . (police-constable G 54.) I received information of the loss of this watch, and went to several public-houses - when I got to Little Warner-street, I saw the prisoner talking to a woman - I drew back, and saw him go into a pawnbroker's shop - I went in and caught him offering the watch in pawn - I found twelve duplicates and six keys on him.

ELIZABETH TURNER . I am the wife of Richard Turner - this is my watch - it was in a stand on the mantel-piece - I know the prisoner - he had used the house about a month before.

Prisoner. I throw myself on the mercy of the Court.

SAMUEL HENSON , CUSTANCE MOORE , of Queen-street, Lambeth, and JOSHUA MEARS , gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY . Aged 20.

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Reference Numbert18330704-67

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1089. HARRIET LAWN was indicted for stealing on the 10th of June , 1 watch, value 50s.; 2 seals, value 6s.; 1 key, value 2s. 6d.; and 1 watch ribbon, value 1s. 6d. ; the property of John Blackett .

JOHN BLACKETT. I am at home with my mother on Sundays. On Sunday night the 9th of June, I left my watch on the table at eleven o'clock, and on the Monday morning I missed it - I inquired of my father, he said he did not know where it was - any body could see it on the table where I left it.

JAMES DUBOCK . I am a shoemaker. On Monday afternoon the 10th of June, between three and four o'clock the prisoner came to our shop, and asked for half a pint of porter - she said she had no money, but offered my wife two seals and a key - she disputed taking them - I heard it and came down - I said, "What is all this dispute about half a pint of porter" - I then heard what it was - the prisoner had then laid down this watch, and my wife took it up, and gave it to me - I said I thought it had not been got in an honest way, and unless the prisoner could give a good account of it, I should detain it - she then produced a penny, and demanded the watch - I fetched the officer, and gave charge of her - my house is within five minutes walk of the prosecutors.(Property produced and sworn to.)

HENRY HADDY . (police-constable H. 72.) I took the prisoner - when she was in custody she then told me take charge of the watch.

The prisoner in a long written address stated that she came from Deptford to Whitechapel, to seek her husband, who had not returned home - that she was going down Petticoat-lane, and met a woman who asked her to pledge the watch, and promised her a shilling for doing so - that feeling herself faint, she went in for half a pint of beer, for which she offered a penny piece, which they refused, as being an Irish

penny, that she showed them the watch, which they snatched out of her hand, and gave her into custody.

GUILTY . Aged 62.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-68

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1090. JOHN MUSK was indicted for stealing, on the 22nd of May , 2 pair of shoes, value 11s., the property of William Johnson ; and that he had been before convicted of felony .

ROBERT BARNES . I am shopman to Mr. William Johnson, boot and shoemaker , No. 102, Bishopsgate-street . On the 22nd of May, I was in his shop about half-past two o'clock; I saw the prisoner and another man near the shop - I then saw the prisoner looking in at the window; he was there for several minutes; I then missed him all on a sudden - I looked to the inside of the door where goods were hanging for sale, and missed two pair of men's shoes; it struck me the prisoner had got them - I went out, and on casting my eyes toward Norton Falgate, I saw the prisoner and the other man running - I pursued the prisoner and collared him; he undid his apron and threw these shoes down; a person who was passing took them up - they are my master's property, and have my mark on them - they had been safe at the door while the prisoner was looking in at the window; they are worth 11s.

JOHN CASTELL (City police-constable, No. 32). I was on duty, and the prisoner was given into my charge at the prosecutor's shop, with these shoes.

FREDERICK PRINCE (City police-constable, No. 79). I have a certificate (which I got from Mr. Clark's office,) of the conviction of the prisoner on the 29th of November, by the name of Thomas Green - I appeared against the prisoner, and know he is the person.

GUILTY . Aged 20. - Transported for Seven Years .

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Reference Numbert18330704-69

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1091. ISAAC MENDOZA was indicted for stealing, on the 13th of June , 1 handkerchief, value 2s., the property of George Kewney , from his person .

GEORGE KEWNEY. I live at No. 34, Southampton-buildings, Chancery-lane. On the 13th of June, I was trying to get through St. Paul's church-yard ; I could not get on and was forced to stand still - I felt a hand in my pocket; I turned and saw the prisoner giving my handkerchief to another person - I took it from his hand and took him into custody - the officer took him to the Compter - this is my handkerchief - the prisoner said I was a liar, he had not had my handkerchief.

Prisoner. Q. Did you feel my hand in your pocket? A. I felt some hand - I did not tell the Magistrate that you threw my handkerchief down.

ROBERT BERWICK (City police-constable No. 86). I took the prisoner.

Prisoner's Defence. I had taken some work home for my master, and was going through the crowd when this gentleman took hold of me - I told him he was mistaken; and a lady said she saw a man take it, but not me - four men laid hold of me; I wanted to speak to the lady to tell her to come forward, but they would not let me.

GEORGE KEWNEY. A woman came and said, "What has he been doing;" I said, picking my pocket; and she went away immediately; she said nothing else - there was another person helped me to take the prisoner to the officer; and the same person came to me the next morning and wished me not to prosecute; but I believe that was the person to whom the prisoner was giving the handkerchief - I swear it was not on the ground at all; I took it from his hand.

GUILTY . Aged 24. - Transported for Seven Years .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-70
VerdictGuilty; Guilty > with recommendation
SentenceTransportation; Imprisonment

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1092. CHARLES ROUT and WILLIAM SAUNDERS were indicted for stealing, on the 18th of May , 1 handkerchief, value 3s., the goods of Henry Howlett , from his person .

JAMES ANDREWS (police-constable M 45). I was on duty on Saturday evening, the 18th of May, in Fleet-street , between seven and eight o'clock - I was a few yards from Bouverie-street, and saw the two prisoners on the opposite side of the way - I saw Rout take this handkerchief from Mr. Howlett's pocket and give it to Saunders, who was behind him, and Saunders put it into his hat - I crossed over and told the prosecutor he had been robbed, and if he would step with me we could secure the prisoners - we went after them as far as the Temple; we took them and I found the handkerchief in Saunders's hat.

HENRY HOWLETT . I was in Fleet-street on the 18th of May; this witness came to me and asked if I missed anything - I felt and missed my handkerchief - I went down Bouverie street, and in the Temple we took the prisoners and accused them of it - Saunders took off his hat and said, "I picked up this handkerchief, if it is yours, you are welcome to it."

Saunders's Defence (written). I stand charged before you with felony, but which charge I can assure your Lordship, and Gentlemen of the Jury, I am as innocent of as a new-born infant. I was going along Fleet-street and I saw a handkerchief on the pavement; I picked it up and put it into my hat, and was proceeding down Bouverie-street, Fleet-street, when I was accosted by the officer to know whether I had not got a handkerchief. I immediately answered I had, and that I had picked it up; but I said, "If it is yours, you are welcome to it." This said to the officer. I was not aware at the time he was an officer, he having plain clothes on; but was very much alarmed when he took me into custody. As for the other prisoner, I never saw him before he was taken into custody about the time I was.

John Miller , 9, Holgate-street; James Nelson , Bedfordbury; deposed to the prisoner Saunders good character.

ROUT - GUILTY . Aged 20.

Transported for Seven Years .


Confined Six Months .

Recommended to Mercy by the Jury and Prosecutor .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-71
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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1093. MORRIS LONG was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of James Philip Bult , and another, on the 25th of June , and stealing therein, 1 wooden bowl, value 6d; and 206 pieces of foreign gold coin, value 98l., and 2 foreign notes of 500 francs each, value 19l. each, his property .

EDWARD CLARKE . I live with Mr. Bult, at No. 86, Cheapside . On the 25th of June, about noon, I was in the counting-house; I heard the noise of the window breaking in the front-shop - in consequence of that I turned towards the window and saw the prisoner with his

arm thrust through a piece of glass which he had broken with his elbow; but I did not see him do it - I saw him draw out his arm, and take out a bowl full of foreign money, as specified in the indictment - there were 204 Dutch ducats, worth 9s. 6d. each, which come to 96l. 18s.; and two gold coins, two 500 franc notes, worth 19l. 10s. each - Mr. James Phillip Bult , and two others are in the firm - in consequence of what I saw the prisoner do, I ran to the shop-door, but before I got out our porter had secured the prisoner and brought him into the shop with the property on him.

WILLIAM WILCOX . I am porter to the prosecutor. On the 25th of June, I saw the prisoner break the window with his elbow - he put his arm in and lifted up the bowl from the bottom of the window - he walked away with it towards the Mansion-house - I ran out and collared him, and brought him back into the shop with the bowl in his hand - we sent for the officer and had him taken; we put one or two questions to him, but he would not answer.

JAMES BATES (City police-constable No. 44). I was sent for and took the prisoner - this bowl was delivered to me; it had foreign money in it.

GEORGE FREDERICK BULT . I live in Cheapside; the house is my brother's, James Phillip Bult , and my own, but there is another partner in the firm, and the rent and taxes are paid by the firm - two servants belonging to the firm sleep in the house.

GUILTY of stealing only . Aged 30.

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Reference Numbert18330704-72

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1094. THOMAS RANTON was indicted for stealing, on the 27th of June , 1 handkerchief, value 3s., the goods of William Green , from his person .

WILLIAM GREEN . I am a stationer , and live in Fleet-street. On the 27th of June, I was on Ludgate-hill about four o'clock - I felt my handkerchief twitched out of my pocket, I turned round, and saw the prisoner - I felt sure from his countenance that he had got it; I collared him, and charged him with it; he at first denied it, but a moment afterward he threw it down behind him; I picked it up, and put it in my pocket - I kept him about five minutes, and then gave him to two officers - this is my handkerchief, it is worth 3s.

Prisoner. You said it was not yours, but that it belonged to a friend of yours. Witness. No such thing, it is mine; I have the fellow one to it in my pocket, it has my initials on it.

ROBERT TURL . I am an officer. The prisoner was given into my custody - I have had the handkerchief ever since.

Prisoner's Defence (written). As I was proceeding along Ludgate-hill, I saw two young men before me, one of them dropped a handkerchief close by my feet, and then crossed the road; the prosecutor turned round, and said I had thrown it down: a mob collected round me, and persuaded him to give me into custody; directly the policeman saw me, he said that he knew me well, I defy him, or any other policeman, to say that ever they had me in their custody.

WILLIAM GREEN . He did not say this at the time, I said "You have stolen my handkerchief," he said "No, I have not," and the moment afterward he threw it down behind him.

GUILTY .* Aged 18. - Transported for Seven Years .

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Reference Numbert18330704-73

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1095. JOHN MANSFIELD was indicted for stealing, on the 29th of June , 1 handkerchief, value 3s., the goods of John Dunn , from his person .

JOHN DUNN . I live in Great Tower-street. On the 27th of June, I was going up Fleet-street , I felt a motion at my right-hand pocket - I felt, missed my handkerchief, and turned quickly; I saw the prisoner on my left, and accused him of having taken my handkerchief, he said he had not got it - I eyed him very attentively, and saw the end of my handkerchief peeping out of his bosom, I took it from his bosom, and gave him in charge of the officer - this is my handkerchief, it is worth 3s.

ROBERT MASON (police-constable C 91). I was on duty, I took the prisoner, and have the handkerchief.

Prisoner's Defence (written). I was going along Fleet-street, in the direction to St. Katherine's Docks, with the intention of endeavouring to get myself a vessel; as I was proceeding along, I saw a handkerchief laying on the pavement, I looked round, and seeing no one to own it, I picked it up, and put it in my jacket pocket; I had not had it above two minutes before a gentleman came up and laid hold of me; he took it out of my pocket, and said it was his; he then gave me into the custody of a policeman, when I said that I had picked it up, not knowing to whom it belonged.

GUILTY . Aged 15.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-74
VerdictNot Guilty

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1096. ANN ALLRIGHT and MARY ALLRIGHT were indicted for stealing, on the 18th of May , 4 lbs. of butter, value 3s.; 2 lbs. of cheese, value 1s. 6d.; 2 quarts of vinegar, value 2s.; 3 bottles of blacking, value 1s. 6d.; and 1 dried fish, value 1s., the goods of Isaac Lyon , the master of the said Ann Allright .

ISAAC LYON . I live at No. 26, Duke-street, Aldgate . The prisoner, Ann Allright, was my servant for five months, all but a day or two, as maid of all work - these three bottles of blacking were mine, and so were the other articles, but as they were perishable articles they were given up to me - on Saturday morning, the 18th of May, I was much alarmed at hearing my name called out; I got up, and came down; I found several people in my shop, and the other prisoner, Mary Allright , there, and several articles that I sell laying on the ground - there were some bottles of blacking, some cheese, and butter; they were similar to what I sell, but I could not swear to them - these bottles of blacking are similar to what I sell - there was one dried fish on the floor, similar to some I had which were hanging up - I could not miss any of them, as I had a great many - it was on Saturday morning, on which day we don't do business.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Do you know Mary Allright? A. No; she may be a laundress, and might have called for the other prisoner's linen.

COLLEY SIMMONDS . I am in the glass and china line. On the 18th of May, about half-past six o'clock in the morning, I got up and opened my street-door - I saw no one in the street, but as I stood at the door, I saw Mary Allright come out of the prosecutor's shop with a large bundle; she went towards Houndsditch - I told the officer to take her.

GODFREY ELIAS . I am beadle of the synagogue. In

consequence of what the last witness said to me, I followed the prisoner, Mary Allright ; I said she had got something which was not right, and I wished to see it; she said I should not - I took her back, and found in her lap some butter, cheese, vinegar, blacking, and a dried fish- she at first told me it was dirty linen; she afterwards begged the prosecutor to forgive her - these bottles were part of what I found in her lap - the prisoner, Ann Allright, was in the kitchen when I got to the shop, but she came up, and the two prisoners began to wrangle about getting the things from me.

WILLIAM WILSON . I was called in, and took the prisoners.

Mary Allright 's Defence. On that morning I called on the other prisoner, who is my daughter, to see if she had any dirty linen - I had purchased these other things before I went there, when the officer stopped me; I said I had nothing but what was my own property - I had bought them of a hawker in Whitechapel.


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Reference Numbert18330704-75

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1097. JOHN GRIMES was indicted for stealing, on the 17th of May , 1 handkerchief, value 2s., the goods of a man unknown, from his person .

RICHARD WILLIAM PARKER (City police-constable No. 92). On May 17th, I was in Aldgate ; I saw the prisoner against the church-gates - I had known him before - I saw him pick a gentleman's pocket of this handkerchief - as I was on the opposite side of the way, I called to the gentleman, and begged him to stop - the prisoner heard that, and threw down this handkerchief against Mr. New's door, and ran off - I pursued him as far as the Blue Boar, I there took him - the gentleman had gone away before I brought the prisoner back - a young man picked up this handkerchief, and gave it to me - I can almost swear by the colour it is the one that I saw the prisoner take from the gentleman's pocket - I am sure it was a handkerchief he took from the pocket; it was a kind of yellow border, and a scarlet middle.

GUILTY .* Aged 17.

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1098. ANN CHANDLER was indicted for stealing, on the 29th of May , 1 shirt, value 10s. , the goods of James Wilson .

ELIZA DAVEY . I live at Mr. Wilson's, No. 11, Plough-court, Fetter-lane . On the 29th of May I was there, and about eight o'clock in the evening I saw the prisoner coming down stairs - I asked her what business she had there; she said, she came in by mistake - I saw she had something under her arm; I stopped her and took it from her - I found she had this shirt, which was then wet - I called Mrs. Wilson, who owned the shirt and went for the officer.

JEMIMA WILSON . I am the wife of James Wilson. Davey called me, and I saw her take this shirt from the prisoner, which belongs to my husband; I had hung it on a line to dry, up three pairs of stairs; I had put it there about two hours; I know nothing of the prisoner; this shirt is worth 7s. or 8s. - I gave it to the officer; the door of my passage had been left open for a little child to go out.

JAMES SLATE . I am an officer. I took the prisoner and have the shirt.(Property produced and sworn to.)

Prisoner's Defence. When I entered the house I had no intention of theft; I went in quest of a person who was fellow-servant with me; I met her six months ago; she told me she was married, and asked me to call upon her; she said she lived in Fetter-lane, up some court, up three pair of stairs; her name is Wells - I went that day to see for her, and I had inquired at several houses; I went up three pair of stairs at the prosecutor's house, and I saw this shirt on the floor; I took it up, and the servant seized me, and said there was a thief in the house; I had no intention to steal - there were other things hanging up to dry, and I suppose this shirt fell down.

MRS. WILSON. It was securely hung up, and could not have fallen or been blown down - there were other shirts there.

GUILTY . - Aged 25. Confined Three Months .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-77
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1099. WILLIAM SHAW was indicted for stealing, on the 27th of May , 1 handkerchief, value 6s., the goods of Alfred Joseph Keene , from his person .

ALFRED JOSEPH KEENE. On the 27th of May I was going over London-bridge - I felt my pocket handkerchief go from me - I turned round, and saw the prisoner walking past me - he was shuffling something into his arm; he then crossed the way - I followed him, and told him he had got my handkerchief; he said he had not for some time - I told him if I could see a policeman I would have him searched, but I did not see one for some time; I still detained the prisoner - he then said that two persons in flannel jackets took it out of my pocket - after that he said he had picked up one, and he pulled his coat on one side, and I saw my handkerchief in his sleeve; I then saw an officer, and gave him the prisoner and the handkerchief.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Would you have seen the handkerchief if he had not shown it to you? A. No; he said he had picked it up - it is a considerable thoroughfare there - the handkerchief had not hung out of my pocket, for I had lost one or two before, and I every now and then put my hand to my pocket when I am in crowded places; I don't take my coat-flaps up without I am in very great danger; I can't say when I had used my handkerchief - it is marked A. K. but my name is Alfred Joseph Keen ; I have seen the prisoner's mother - she states that he had never done such a thing before, and he was going on an errand.

Prisoner's Defence. I was going to Fish-street-hill to get some hair-pins for my mother at Hall and English's - I saw the handkerchief on the ground - I picked it up - I crossed and walked one hundred yards; the prosecutor then came and said, "I have a suspicion of your picking my pocket;" I said I had picked up the handkerchief, I had not picked his pocket.

ALFRED JOSEPH KEENE . I suppose I stood five minutes with him before he showed it to me; I kept telling him I would have him searched by a policeman.

SARAH SHAW . I am mother of the prisoner. On the day he was taken I sent him to Hall and English's for three-quarters of a pound of hair-pins, and I heard in about

an hour that he was in custody - he had worked for his father, who is a cabinet-maker, and was an honest lad.

GUILTY. Aged 17.

Recommended to Mercy . - Confined Six Months .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-78
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation
SentenceMiscellaneous > fine

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1100. JAMES MOORE was indicted for stealing, on the 29th of June , 1 handkerchief, value 2s., the goods of Thomas White Davies , from his person .

THOMAS WHITE DAVIES. I live in Albany-street, Regent's-park. On the 29th of June I was at the Court of Common Council , standing behind the bar - there were two ladies with me - I felt some one behind me drawing my handkerchief from my pocket; I turned round, and a man had hold of the prisoner's arm, and I caught hold of his collar - the man took him out of Court, and drew two handkerchiefs out of his pocket in my presence; I examined them, and one of them is mine - I had had it safe the same morning - I can't tell at what time.

DANIEL FORRESTER . I am an officer. I went into the Court, and my attention was called to a particular place, where I saw the prisoner; I watched him for twenty minutes - the prosecutor was standing there, and part of his handkerchief was out of his pocket - the prisoner closed upon him, then drew back, and I seized him; I took him out of Court, and found two handkerchiefs in his left coat pocket - the prosecutor claimed this one.

Prisoner's Defence. I was in distress.

Mr. Frazer, a publican, of Ratcliffe-highway, gave the prisoner a good character, and engaged to take him into his service.


Recommended to mercy . - Fined 1s. and discharged.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-79
VerdictGuilty; Guilty

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1101. ELIZABETH FOSTER and MARY HOLLAND were indicted for stealing, on the 20th of May , 1 purse, value 1d.; 4 sovereigns; 1 half-sovereign; 2 half-crowns; 5 shillings; 6 sixpences, and 1 piece of foreign coin, value 5d., of Lorenzo Ronchetti , from his person .

LORENZO RONCHETTI (through an interpreter). I lodge in Vine-street. On the 20th of May, I found myself in Farringdon-street , between one and two o'clock in the morning; the two prisoners took hold of my arm, one on each side - I told them as well as I could to go on; Holland did walk on, but Foster still kept with me - I crossed over Farringdon-street, and had occasion to stop at the corner of a little street; while I was doing so, Foster caught hold of me, and stole my money from my waistcoat pocket - she took 4 sovereigns, 1 half-sovereign, 13 shillings, a bad sixpence, and a half-franc; they were all in a purse - I did not feel her take the money from my pocket, but she put her arms round my middle; she then ran and crossed over to the other side, where Holland was - the moment she left me, I missed my money, and I ran after and cried, Stop, stop - Holland then ran away, and Foster walked slowly; the watchman came up - I gave Foster to him; Holland was then going off - I said,"Stop that one."

DANIEL PRINCE . I am a watchman of St. Bride's. I had seen the two prisoners together about one o'clock- I saw the prosecutor about half-past one o'clock, at the corner of Black Horse-court; he was alone - I saw Foster come up and take hold of his arm; Holland was close by, and they all three walked down Farringdon-street before me - before they got to Harp-alley, the prosecutor separated himself from them; Foster then got hold of his arm again, and they went down the street as far as the New Market - Foster and the prosecutor then crossed, and Holland followed them; I followed them eight or ten yards up Brazier's-buildings - I there lost sight of them; in ten or fifteen minutes, I saw Foster come running out of Wheatsheaf-yard - she ran over to me, and said, "Watchman, did you see my old man, how he was running after me just now?" - I said,"No" - she said, "I suppose you have not been here long?" - she went on to Stonecutter-street, and the prosecutor came over from Wheatsheaf-yard, and caught her by the arm - (there is a way from Brazier's-buildings to Wheatsheaf-yard; at the upper part it is a very secret place, with nothing but stabling and a slaughter-house in it) - the prosecutor said, as well as I could understand him, that Foster had robbed him of 5 guineas; I said you must go with me to the watch-house - I turned my head, and saw Holland running; I called to Bolton Run after her.

WILLIAM HARDY . I am a constable. About half-past one o'clock, Prince brought in the prosecutor and Foster, and in a few minutes Bolton brought in Holland; Foster said she had nothing, and she was willing to be searched - we found in Holland's bosom, 4 sovereigns, 1 half-sovereign, 2 half-crowns, 5 shillings, 6 sixpences, 1 half-franc, and a bad sixpence - the prosecutor had described the money as well as he could before it was found - we found on Holland another shilling wrapped in paper which she said was her's

Foster's Defence. I was going down Stonecutter-street, to go home, and the prosecutor caught me and said, I had robbed him - I had not seen my fellow-prisoner all the night, nor the day before - she can say the same.

Holland's Defence. I never saw this young woman, nor the prosecutor, till I got to the watch-house.

FOSTER - GUILTY . Aged 20.


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OLD COURT. Saturday, July 6th.

Third Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Recorder.

1102. JAMES HARRIS was indicted for feloniously assaulting Elizabeth Ann, the wife of William Smith , on the 29th of June , at St. Mary Matfelon, alias Whitechapel , putting her in fear, and taking from her person, and against her will, 4 half-crowns; 2 shillings; and 1 sixpence, the monies of the said William Smith .

ELIZABETH ANN SMITH . I am the wife of William Smith , of No. 1, Norfolk-place, Globe-lane, Stepney. My husband keeps a cart and horse - on the 29th of June, I went to Highgate on foot; I afterwards returned to Whitechapel - I went into a public-house there, and had a pint of beer - it was near twelve o'clock at night; I don't know the sign of the public-house - I left Highgate a little before nine o'clock - I had walked to Highgate and back that day; the prisoner was in the public-house, and another man in his company - the prisoner came and asked me if I wanted to buy a comb - I told him I did not wantone -

he said he had been in the country all day and had nothing to eat; he showed me one comb - he said he had come from the country, and had had nothing to eat nor drink all day - I told him I would pay for a pint of beer for him, but I did not want a comb - and I paid for a pint of porter for him; I paid twopence for it - I took sixpence out of my bosom when I was going to pay for the beer - I had my money in a double paper in my bosom - I took that paper out and changed a sixpence; I opened the paper in my hand, and my money could be seen; the paper contained four half-crowns, two shillings, and two sixpences, until I took one of the sixpences to pay away for the beer; the prisoner and the man in his company had an opportunity of seeing the money I produced in my hand - I am positive he saw it; I bought two penny pies, and paid for them at the same time - I paid twopence for my own pint of beer, and that made the sixpence - I paid sixpence for the whole - I put the rest of my money in my bosom again - I was in the house I dare say half an hour - I took no other refreshment than what I have mentioned; the prisoner and I had two separate pints - I did not drink out of what he had - I left about a quarter after twelve o'clock - the publican was shutting the house up; the prisoner asked me before I left, if I lived in the neighbourhood, I stated as before that I lived in Norfolk-place, Globe-lane, and he said he would conduct me part of the way home; I thanked him for it - I had told him that Mr. Smith's between the two distiller's walls was a nasty road, and he told me not to be afraid, he would conduct me there; the other man said he would conduct me as well - they both said they would see me down there; I believe that was their words.

Q. Did they say they would see you down there, or past there? A. Down there, I think; they went with me - we turned down a place called Court-street - we got to the gate of Mr. Smith's distillery, and there is a lane with two dead walls there - when I got past the gate the other man on my left side came and put his arms round me, held my arms back behind me, while the prisoner who is now at the bar put his hands in my bosom, and took out my money and the paper with it; they ran away from me momently - they instantly ran away, and I at the moment fell, just for a moment; I then got up and hallooed, stop thief - they ran straight down between the two distiller's walls, towards North-street, which is at the top - I followed them, and kept crying, stop thief, till I got to North-street, I saw the prisoner three quarters of an hour or an hour afterwards at the station-house, which is Mile-end watch-house.

Q. Had you given a description of the persons in whose company you had been, before you saw him there? A. I met somebody who inquired what had happened to me, and I gave him a description of the persons I had been with - I am quite positive the prisoner is the man who took my money.

Prisoner. Q. When you came into the public-house did you see me sitting down or standing up? A. He was sitting on a bench under the window, and came up towards me - he came up from the seat to ask me if I would buy the comb; the man who was with him, and who assisted to hold me, was sitting down in his company.

COURT. Q. Why do you say a man was in his company at that time, did you see them speak together? A. They were both together when the prisoner asked me to buy the comb, they both got up and came to me - I was perfectly sober - I had had but one pint of beer and a slice of bread and cheese before, and that was at the Cock, at Holloway.

JURY. Q. Was that coming home from Highgate? A. Yes; I had something going there in the morning - I had been there all day.

COURT. Q. Was the public-house you met the prisoner at, in a direct road to your own home? A. Yes; I always turn up Court-street and go to North-street, and then go through the bars - the public-house is in a direct way from Highgate - I pass it always.

JURY. Q. How do you account for this being your direct way home? A. In the day-time I go the canal way, but at night I always come down the City-road and Brick-lane - I turn up Court-street always, and then go between the two walls, through the toll-bar, and cross up at the Prince Regent; I live directly opposite the Prince Regent.

COURT. Q. Is there not a shorter way than between the dead walls. A. I always go that way, I know no other.

THOMAS BAISS (policeman K 209). I was on my beat in Collingwood-street, on Saturday night the 29th of June, between half-past twelve and one o'clock, I heard a woman's voice, crying, stop thief, in the direction of Smith's distillery- I ran towards the place, and saw two men cross North-street (from that direction) towards me - they were running nearly as fast as they could run; they turned up Wellington-street - I overtook them, and took the prisoner into custody; the other man went off - he did not run directly, but he ran again soon after - when I stopped the prisoner, he said the other was the man, and pointed him out; and when I took him back towards where I heard the cry of stop thief, he said it was an old whore that they wanted to have connection with her, that they offered her fourpence halfpenny, and she would not take it; and then they were going away home, and she ran after them, and they ran away, and she cried, stop thief - I took him to the station-house - I followed the other man with the prisoner as far as I could keep sight of him, and sprung my rattle; no one came to my assistance to apprehend him, and he escaped - the prisoner repeated what he had stated several times going down to the watch-house.

Prisoner. I never said anything of the kind as he states to you. Witness. I am quite certain he said what I have stated, another of my brother officers heard him mention it once, but he is not here.

STEPHEN WHITE . I am a policeman K 92. On Saturday night, the 29th of June, between twelve and one, I was on duty in Whitechapel-road - I heard the cry of stop thief proceeding from the back, towards Mr. Smith's distillery - I made my way up Thomas-street, and saw the prosecutrix opposite, under the wall of Mr. Smith's distillery - before I went to her, I went towards two men in Court-street - the woman complained to me that she had been robbed - she was crying - she appeared sober - she was very much frightened - I could not tell whether she was sober or had been drinking; she was sober when she came to the watch-house - that was about half an hour after - she gave a description of two men who had robbed her; she said one had a fustran coat on, and light trousers, and that corresponded with the prisoner's dress when I saw

him in custody about an hour after - I took a man in custody about sixty yards from the spot, in Court-street; she said, she thought that was the man, she thought it was the man who took her money - those were her words - when we got to the station-house there was more light; and she said, she thought then still that he was the man, when she first went in; but as soon as she saw the prisoner, she said, that was him - when the prisoner was brought out of the cell, she clapped her hands together, and said, "That is the man that robbed me and no other" - the man I had taken into custody was dressed in a fustian coat and light corded trowsers.

Q. You say she at first said the other was the man who took her money; give us her very words? A. I asked her if she thought that was the man? she said, yes, I think it is- she said, she thought it was the man who took her money, and said so again at the watch-house - I searched the prisoner in the watch-house, and found on him two shillings in copper, a silver sixpence, and this small-tooth comb, one old long comb, and one small one, the same size as this; there were three combs in all - I searched the other man; on him I found a tobacco-box, a pipe, and about fivepence in halfpence.

JURY. Q. Is that a new comb which you have in your hand? A. Yes.

Prisoner. He found this money about me; I had been selling some combs.

ELIZABETH ANN SMITH re-examined. I recollect seeing the prisoner at the watch-house, when I said he was the man he denied it at first - he said he had not seen me before - I had then said I was sure he was the man and none else; but the other man who was in custody, was very much like the man who held me - I said to the officer, "I do think he is the man who robbed me," but not that took my money - I meant, that they both robbed me, although one took my money - I meant he was the man who had assisted; and when I got to the watch-house I knew he was not the man - I did not tell the officer he had taken my money, I said he was the man who robbed me - I did not explain whether I meant that he had assisted the other, or actually taken my money - neither the prisoner, nor the man in his company, had taken any improper liberty with me whatever - I am nearly forty-five years old - I have had fifteen children and am carrying my sixteenth - I was married in 1802.

STEPHEN WHITE re-examined. In Court-street, the prosecutrix said, she thought he was the man who took her money - she was so much alarmed, I hardly think she knew what she said; she was more collected at the watch-house - it was nearly half an hour before we got her to the watch-house; she was better then - I heard the prisoner say he had not seen her before; he said so untill the comb was produced - I had not seen my brother officer at that time; there was nobody present who could have referred to the conversation the prisoner had had with my brother officer.

Prisoner's Defence. I was in the wine vaults in Whitechapel-road, sitting down with a man having a pot of half-and-half; the good lady came in with two penny pieces in her hand, and her gown was hanging down to the ground - she came to us and said, "Give us some beer" - I said it was half-and-half; I said "Sit down and you shall have some" - the other man rather objected at first, but she sat down and we gave her some- she said she would pay for another pot if we let her drink; and she did, and we drank that up, and came out of the house; and in passing Baker's-row, she said she would go in and have a pint of beer - after that was drank the other man called for six-pennyworth of brandy-and-water, and then another, and then she said she would pay for six-pennyworth herself; and we came out of the house, I said I must get home, and went towards my home.

ELIZABETH ANN SMITH re-examined. I declare positively, on my oath, I went no where with him till I went out to go home - I did not drink any brandy-and-water with him, nor enter any other house with him - I had in my bosom four half-crowns, two shillings, and two sixpences- until I changed a sixpence, I had no copper money whatever.

JURY. Q. Did you buy the pies first or afterwards? A. I bought them in the house - I should have paid for some bread and cheese for him, as he said he had had nothing to eat, but they said they did not sell it - I lost a sixpence, but no halfpence - I am in the habit of collecting a great deal of money for Mrs. Ekins down at Globe-lane; and the neighbourhood, I have the care of about twenty houses, and she trusts to me to let the houses and collect the rents, just as if they were my own - the comb he offered to me was a small tooth-comb with the teeth out - it is the same to all appearance unless there are two alike- no further force was used to me than holding back my arms.

GUILTY . Aged 33.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-81
VerdictGuilty; Guilty

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Before Mr. Justice Gaselee.

1103. EDWARD CHAMBERLAINE and ANN HILL were indicted for, that they, on the 22nd of June , at St. Matthew, Bethnal-green, 1 mould, in and upon which was made and impressed, the figure and apparent resemblance of one of the sides, to wit, the observe side of the King's current silver coin, called a shilling, knowingly and without lawful excuse, feloniously had in their custody and possession , against the statute.

2nd COUNT. Like the first, only stating the impression to be that of the reverse side.

Messrs. SCARLETT and ELLIS conducted the prosecution.

THOMAS FOGG . I am a constable of the Thames Police. On Saturday, the 22nd of June, a little after two o'clock, I went to Nichol-street, Devonshire-court, in the parish of St. Matthew, Bethnal-green - Mr. Mitchell, my brother, and another officer named Creber, were with me; I went to a house there with them - the street door was open - I went to the first floor front room, the door being fast, I immediately burst it open, and entered the room, and found the two prisoners lying on the bed - Chamberlaine was partly undressed, and Hill was dressed - they arose up in the bed, and Hill said,"Oh my God" - Chamberlaine said, "It is all right, Fogg, we have got nothing here; I have been working a square game" - I secured Chamberlaine, and Creber secured Hill, and by that time Mitchell and my brother entered the room - I searched Chamberlaine and found nothing

whatever; we began to search the room, and on the left hand side of the fire place in a cupboard, under a pan of water, I found some pieces of white metal; the pan rested on the cant, or a sort of cornice of the cupboard - the pan rested slantingly, and under it were some pieces of white metal, a file with white metal in the teeth, a tobacco pipe with white metal in the bowl - some white metal was in a cloth - on the right hand side of the fire-place in a cupboard I found a mould concealed among the earth; the floor had decayed away; it was wrapped up in a piece of white paper - I immediately gave it to Mr. Mitchell; I produce the other articles - he has the mould; here is the white metal in the cloth - the file and pipe with white metal in it, and the file has metal in the teeth.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. What are you? A. A Thames police-constable - the other officers were in the room when I found the metal in the cloth; I cannot say whether they saw me find it - I have had it in my possession ever since - I gave Mr. Field the paper to wrap three pieces of metal in at the Thames police-office - Creber was the only person with me when I first went in and found the prisoners on the bed - he is not here - Mitchell and my brother came in, in a moment - Creber might have heard what the prisoners said if he had taken notice- he was not bound over.

MR. ELLIS. Q. What part did Creber take in the transaction; I believe he found the money on Hill, but I am not sure.

JAMES FOGG . I am a Thames police-surveyor. I accompanied the other officers to the prisoners lodging - I and Mitchell went one way, my brother and Creber the other - as soon as I saw my brother go in at the door we entered - Chamberlaine was just then getting off the bed - he asked us to allow him to put his clothes on before we handcuffed him - I commenced searching the bed - pulled it off the bedstead, and at last (seeing a little hole in the tick,) I cut the tick open, and turned the flock and feathers out, and found a little bag containing forty-three counterfeit shillings - Mitchell has them, and in a paper I found six half crowns- I counted them in the prisoners presence, and gave them to Mitchell - Chamberlaine said he did not know they were in the bed - that he had been there two months, and knew nothing of them - he then said to the female "this will lag us all Sal," - that means transported - she goes by the name of Sal.

Cross-examined. Q. Was anybody in the room when he said that. A. The whole of the officers except Mitchell who I believe went up stairs.

COURT. Q. When did you give the shillings and half-crowns to him? A. Before he went up stairs, as soon as I found them.

ALEXANDER MITCHELL . I am inspecting surveyor in the Thames-police - I was directing the officers - I sent Creber and Thomas Fogg one way, while I and James Fogg went another way, to arrive at the house at the same time if possible. We saw the others go in, and were not a moment behind them - I staid outside for half a minute to prevent anything coming out of the window, and then went in the room - it was not half a minute after they broke the door open - I saw the door open through the window - I came in before the prisoners were secured; on my entering, Chamberlaine asked to be allowed to put his clothes on; I said I would give him them afterwards - they were secured, and we proceeded to search the room - Chamberlaine said he did not live there, but came there at certain times - the prisoner Hill said she had hired the room, and paid for it - in a cupboard under where some pigeons were kept on the right hand side of the fire place- I found two paper bags which I produce - they contain plaister of paris, and in the bags were two hands made out of an old hat - I received a mould from Thomas Fogg - I saw him searching at the cupboard, and he handed it up to me I received from James Fogg , forty-three counterfeit shillings, and six half-crowns - I have them here as I received them.

Cross-examined. Q. Chamberlaine said he did not reside there himself but came occasionally? A. He did - I think he said that nearly at my first entrance into the room- James Fogg had entered the room first - I asked who kept the room - we had to seek for the metal and coin, they were all concealed.

HENRY HACK. The house No. 1, Devonshire-court, where the prisoners live, belongs to me - they had been there about ten weeks - they paid 61/2d. per day - I have seen them both there several times - they lived there as man and wife - the window of the house is right opposite my own door - I constantlly saw them going in and out - the female prisoner took the room of me and paid the rent - the room was let to the female prisoner- my wife let it - and asked if she had a husband - my wife is not able to come being pregnant - I have seen the male prisoner going in and out of the door, several times - I always took him to be the husband.

Cross-examined. Q. Whatever you took him to be the female was your tenant? A. Yes, and she paid the rent.

JOHN FIELD . I am inspector of counterfeit coin to the mint- I have seen there articles - I know from my experience what they are for - this is a mould of plaister of paris - having impressed on it the obverse and the reverse sides of a shilling, of the date of 1817, which mould I believe from its appearance, has been used for casting shillings - two of the shillings produced by the officer which are unfinished, appear to have been cast in this mould - the whole forty-three are counterfeit, and are all cast in white metal - there are some pieces of white metal here, similar to what the counterfeit coin is made of - I have selected from among these pieces, two which appear to have been run in these moulds - they are called gets - it is the metal which fills up the mouth of the channel of the mould - I have no doubt they were cast in the channel of this mould - this shilling would be attached to the get when it is cast - twenty-eight of the shillings are not of that year - here is a tobacco pipe, which has a small portion of white metal in the bowl, similar to the metal produced- that would melt the metal, to pour it into the mould, and here is a file with white metal in the teeth - that might be used to remove the roughness from the edge of the metal - the bowl would hold about a sufficient quantity to form a shilling and the get - this is plaister of Paris in a powdered state - by mixing it with water, the moulds are composed - they usually have a hand to confine the plaister of parish into a particular form, till it hardens- here are six counterfeit half-crowns of the same metal.

JAMES FOGG re-examined. Q. What did Chamberlaine say, after saying he knew nothing of them? A. He said, he had been living there two months; I told him I knew that, for I knew he had lived there two months - he then said, "This will lag us, Sal."

Cross-examined. Q. He did not say both these things together, did he - did he first say, I have been living here two months, and immediately add, This will lag us, Sal? A. He did; I am quite sure of it - he said, he heard I and my brother were in Shoreditch, and he expected we were coming.

Chamberlaine's Defence. It is about eight months ago since I lived with this girl; I used to visit her now and then, when I came that way - I have been working at gas-fitting ever since that time, and, when I came towards where she used to live, used to call in, now and then, and stop, it might be a day or not - as Mr. Fogg entered the room, I told him I had nothing for him, as I had been working out of doors, and did not live there.

Hill's Defence. I took the room and paid the rent; this young man came now and then to give me money.


HILL - GUILTY . Aged 25.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-82
VerdictNot Guilty

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4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-83
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1105. HENRY NYMAN was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-douse of James Tinsley , on the 18th of May , at South Mimms , and stealing therein, 1 yard of ribbon, value 6d.; 2 petticoats, value 2s.; 1 box, value 1/2d., and three halfpence his property .

JAMES TINSLEY . I am a housekeeper, and live in the parish of South Mimms. On the 18th of May, I went out at five o'clock in the morning, leaving my wife and family in bed; when I went out, I left the outer door on the latch - I have two up-stairs and three down-stairs rooms in my house - the back door and windows were fastened.

THOMAS AUSTIN . I am a constable of Barnet. I was at South Mimms on the morning of the 18th, near the prosecutor's house, at nearly six o'clock; the outer door of the house was open; I went in, and saw the prisoner there in the first room - he was putting his hat on - I examined his hat, and found in it a child's petticoat and a woman's petticoat; they were in the crown of his hat - I took him into custody - he threw one petticoat out of his hat while he was in the house, and while I was picking it up he slipped by me, but never got out of my sight - I saw a box in his trousers pocket when he was in the house, and it was afterwards brought to me by a neighbour - I had not seen him throw it out of his pocket; it was a box like that - when I apprehended him, he told me he did it from distress (I neither threatened nor made him any promise), and I really believe he was in distress; I did not lose sight of him when he ran away - I found this comb in his waistcoat pocket.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. He said, what he did, he did from distress? A. He said, "I did it from distress," and he really appeared to me to be in distress - I never knew him before - I don't know whether he was committed for the larceny or housebreaking.

JAMES TINSLEY . These things are my property; this box I know particularly, it belongs to my child, this comb is mine, and these other things are mine; I don't know where they were before - my wife is not here - I know this to be my wife's petticoat, from seeing it several times before; there was no mark on it particularly - I know the comb from having used it for years.

Cross-examined. Q. It is a common born comb? A. Yes; it has no particular private mark.

Q. You say you pulled the door too, if you wanted to get back to your house, how would you get in? A. By lifting the latch - my father lives next door to me, and several of my sisters - none of my children live next door; they were all in bed in my own house - when I came back my wife had just got down stairs - my wife might have gone down and opened the door - my relations next door frequently come to see me (it is a common thumb latch); we are frequently in the habit of running into each others houses - my wife had just come down stairs, and was half-dressed when I came home.

The Prisoner made no Defence.

Philip John Birch , mathematical-instrument-maker, Edward James Burchell , broker, Joseph Fareweather , gate-keeper at a distillery, gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY - Aged 21. Of larceny only.

Strongly Recommended to Mercy .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-84
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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Reference Numbert18330704-85

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1107. WILLIAM HARVEY was indicted for stealing, on the 4th of June , at Christ-church , 1 watch, value 7l.; 2 seals, value 7s.; 1 watch-key, value 6d., and 1 watch-ribbon, value 2d., the property of Samuel Everitt , from his person .

EDWARD SWAINSON TUCK . I am a watchman of Farringdon-within, and live at No. 6, Holiday-yard, Creed-lane. On the night of July 4, at half-past ten o'clock, I was in Butcher-hall-lane and heard the cry of, Stop thief; the prisoner ran by me down the lane, in a direction from Newgate-street; I immediately ran after him - I stopped him as there was no thoroughfare where he ran - I took him to the watch-house, and he handed this watch into our inspector's hands.

Prisoner. Q. Did I attempt to rescue myself? A. No.

SAMUEL EVERITT. I live with Mr. Robertson, a stablekeeper, in Black-house-yard. On the night of the 4th of June I was going home from Newgate-street, down Butcher-hall-lane , the prisoner ran against me, and I felt my watch go; I called; Stop thief - he ran up Christchurch-passage and the watchman secured him, and the watch was found on him.

Prisoner. Q. Did you not say at the Police-office, that you saw the watch in my hand? A. No; the first time I saw it was at the watch-house, I believe, but I was so

confused; there was nobody but him near me - I did not state before the Magistrate, that I saw the watch in your hand; not that I recollect.

JOHN LAWS . I live at No. 3, Butcher-hall-lane, and am inspector of the watch. On the night of the 4th of June, I heard the cry of Stop thief and saw the prisoner running towards Christ-church-passage, which is no thoroughfare; I helped to stop him, and the prosecutor said, he had been robbed of his watch - I laid hold of one hand and the watchman of the other; he wanted to get his hand at liberty, and at the watch-house I let go of his hand, he put it into his trousers pocket, and took out the watch.

Prisoner. Q. How long elapsed from the time of your taking me till you got me to the watch-house? A. Not two minutes - I did not see the watch till I got to the watch-house.

Prisoner to S. EVERITT. Q. When you lost your watch, did you cry, Stop thief? A. Directly you ran from me, I felt the watch go, and said, "You have got my watch," and called out, Stop thief - I swear you took it from me; there was nobody else in Butcher-hall-lane.

Prisoner's Defence. I am perfectly innocent.

GUILTY .* Aged 23. Transported for Seven Years .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-86

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1108. THOMAS WILLIAMS was indicted for stealing, on the 15th of June , 1 pair of trousers, value 10s. the goods of James Earp , and another .

JAMES EARP . I am a tailor , and live at No. 32, Poultry . On the afternoon of Saturday, 15th June, in consequence of information, I went to the door of my house and saw the officer with the prisoner, and these trousers.

HENRY HODGES (City-policeman, No. 75). I was on duty in the Poultry, on the 15th of June, I met the prisoner; I took him into custody with a pair of trousers hanging on his left arm - I know the prosecutor's shop, he exposes things at his door.

JAMES EARP . They are my property; they hung over a block, one foot within the doorway.

Prisoner's Defence. I throw myself on the mercy of the Jury.

GUILTY . Aged 36. - Confined Six Months .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-87
VerdictNot Guilty; Guilty

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1109. GEORGE DALEY and JOHN WESTBROOK were indicted for stealing, on the 30th of May , 1 handkerchief, value 2s. the property of Edward Fielder , from his person .

EDWARD FIELDER . I am a builder , and live at Stangate-wharf. On the 30th of May, I was near London-bridge , between one and two o'clock; I was putting my handkerchief into my pocket, and in drawing my hand from my pocket, felt a sudden pull at my pocket, I turned round, and saw the prisoners passing at the side of me - they got in front of me - a policeman rushed by me; I followed him and told him, I had lost my handkerchief; he stopped the prisoners, and took it out of one of their pockets; they merely passed before me - I cannot say which of them attempted my pocket.

PHILIP HENRY PARISH . (City policeman No.45.) On the 30th of May, I was stationed near London Bridge, on account of a fire which had taken place there; about half-past three in the day time I saw the prisoners close on the prosecutor, and saw something move sharply into the left hand breeches pocket of Westbrook - I laid hold of the two - a person came up, and I gave one into his custody - I could not see whether the other prisoner did anything or not, but from the quickness of the motion I saw something was done, and laid hold of them.

Daley. He had hold of the other, and said to a policeman "Go and catch hold of him," and he took me - I was three yards from the policeman.

COURT, Q. Did they appear in company together, or was it accidentally? A. I took hold of them at the same time; I could not see who took the handkerchief, but saw a motion which led me to believe something was taken - I considered they were acting in concert together, but cannot be certain of it.(Property produced and sworn to.)

Westbrook. When the policeman took me; he asked me what I was in my pocket - I immediately said I had picked up a handkerchief on the pavement; he kept hold of my collar, and said to a policeman, "Lay hold of the little one."

PHILIP HENRY PARISH . They were both immediately behind the prosecutor; I did not ask them any questions.

Daley's Defence. I was coming over the bridge, from my masters about one o'clock - on this side of the bridge there was a fire, and a great crowd as I came through - a streetkeeper secured me, and said, "Come along with me," he took me to the prosecutor, and he had the handkerchief from a man who said he had picked it off the pavement - I never saw my fellow prisoner in my life before.

Westbrook's Defence. I was going over the bridge to Lambeth-street - there were a great many people walking on the footpath - the handkerchief laid by the curbstone - I picked it up, and put it in my pocket - a policeman laid hold of me by the collar, and asked what I had put in my pocket - I said, I had picked a pocket handkerchief up - the gentleman was six yards before me - he told a policeman to go after this lad - the gentleman turned back, and asked the gentlemen round if they had lost anything - the gentleman stepped up, and said, he had lost a handkerchief - the policeman asked if that was his, he said yes - I never saw Daley before in all my life - I was half dozen yards behind the prosecutor.

EDWARD FIELDER . He was before me.

PHILIP HENRY PARISH . When I stopped the prisoners, I thought from seeing them together before, that they were after another person, and I thought the robbery had been committed on another person - but as soon as I stopped the prisoner, the prosecutor came from behind them and claimed it.



Transported for Fourteen Years .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-88

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1110. WILLIAM SKINNER was indicted for stealing, on the 10th of June , at St. Bridget, alias St. Bride's, 1 handkerchief, value 1s., the goods of William Edwards , from his person .

THOMAS GREEN . I live at No. 21, Thomas-street, Sadlers-wells. On the 10th of June, I was on Ludgate-hill about ten o'clock in the evening, and saw the prisoner with another, walking close to the prosecutor's pocket; I

saw the prisoner put his hand into the gentleman's pocket and take out the handkerchief; he directly turned towards Ludgate-hill and ran - I ran and saw him stopped; he threw the handkerchief away in Black-horse-court - I did not see it picked up.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Where was he taken? A. At the top of Bride-lane, by the steps - I never lost sight of him.

Q. Did you see round the corner then? A. Yes; I was close to him; there were two persons near the prosecutor - I am sure it was the prisoner took the handkerchief; I never saw him before.

JOHN GREEN . I am an officer. I received the prisoner in charge, and as I took him to the watch-house, he conveyed the handkerchief to a man who stood in Black-horse-court - I directly seized the man, who dropped it at his feet and got away; I picked it up - I am sure I saw the prisoner pass it to the man.

Cross-examined. Q. You positively swear you saw him transfer the handkerchief to the other? A. I do.

WILLIAM EDWARDS . This is my handkerchief; I live at No. 89, Cheapside. On the 10th of June, I was walking up Ludgate-hill - I heard an alarm given, and then missed my handkerchief - I went to the watch-house and saw the prisoner.

Cross-examined. Q. Are you quite certain of it? A. Quite

Prisoner's Defence. I was passing along, and heard the cry of stop thief; I was coming down Fleet-street from Drury-lane - I heard the alarm, and ran with the people, and got eighty or ninety yards a-head; this lad was in Bridge-street; I was going up the steps by St. Bride's church - Mr. Green and two gentlemen took hold of me, and in about four minutes this lad came up; I was taken to the watch-house - I did not have the handkerchief, nor had I seen it till it was produced at the watch-house; a handkerchief was picked up in a crowd of one hundred and fifty persons - this officer is the father of the lad, and most probably (while having been here), he has instructing him what to say on my trial - he has false-sworn himself.

GUILTY .* Aged 22. - Transported for Seven Years .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-89
VerdictNot Guilty

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1111. JAMES DAVIS was indicted for stealing, on the 19th of May , 1 handkerchief, value 2s., the goods of John Savage , from his person .

DANIEL STEPHENS . I am a tailor, and live at No. 2, Curriers-hall-court. On the 19th of May, between eight and nine o'clock, I was near Holborn-bridge and saw the prisoner in company with two others; I saw the prisoner go up to the prosecutor, take up his coat pocket with his left hand - put his right hand in and take a white handkerchief and give it to his companions; I immediately seized the prisoner by the collar, and the receiver also, but the receiver was too strong for me, and he threw the handkerchief down at my feet; the officer came and picked it up; the prisoner owned taking it from the gentleman's pocket and throwing it to the other - I am certain he is the man - I don't know the prosecutor's name.

EDWARD RENTMORE . I never saw the prosecutor before he gave charge of the prisoner - he gave no name in the prisoner's presence; I have heard it is Savage - I did not hear him give that name in the prisoner's presence - I don't know that that is his name.


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Reference Numbert18330704-90

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1112. WILLIAM GREEN was indicted for stealing, on the 29th of June , at St. Botolph Without, Aldgate , 1 pair of trousers, value 16s., the property of William Bousfield , and another .

THOMAS SMITH . I am shopman to William and John Bousfield , No. 126, Houndsditch , clothes salesmen . On the afternoon of the 24th of June, I saw the prisoner in the shop - he came in and asked to see a waistcoat; one of the men directed him up stairs, and I went up and saw him putting on a pair of trousers; I asked if he was looking out anything else, the man said, Yes, a waistcoat; I said, "Go down and I will attend to him" - I said to the prisoner, "Do these suit you?" he said, "I should like a better pair;" I said, "What price will you give?" he said, 20s.; I said, "Try these on," he said, "I think they will do;" I said, "And you will take this waistcoat;" he said, yes; he took them down stairs, and he said, "I am going a little further to pay for a pair of boots;" I said, very well; I put my foot against the door, and said, "Excuse me, I cannot let you go, I suspect you have something about you belonging to us;" he said, "Pray forgive me, will you?" I said, "Take off your hat;" he took off his hat, I found in it a pair of trousers - I had not sold them to him; I sent for an officer who came, and he said, "Are these yours?" I said, yes; he said, "Do you know them?" I said, "Yes; there is a ticket on them; the officer looked at them, and the ticket was gone; the officer looked in his mouth, and saw a piece of paper which I suppose to be part of the ticket torn off - the trousers had a ticket on them in the shop, but it was missing from those found in his hat - he had not bought them - Mr. William Bousfield is in partnership with his brother John Bousfield.(Property produced and sworn to).

Prisoner. I throw myself on the mercy of the Court.

Philip Neal , of Bond's-place, Goswell-street, gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY . Aged 27. - Confined Six Months .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-91
VerdictNot Guilty

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1113. CHRISTOPHER COLLINSON was indicted for stealing, on the 4th of June , 1 watch, value 3l.; 1 seal, value 7s.; 1 watch-key, value 3s.; and 1 watch ribbon, value 2d. , the goods of George Box .

MARY BOX . I am the wife of George Box , and live at No. 30, Glasshouse-yard, Aldersgate-street . The prisoner was an acquaintance of ours; he called on the 4th of June; I had a silver watch on my mantel-piece when he called, and I missed it about half a minute after he left; I caused him to be apprehended, and have since seen the watch.

Prisoner. Q. On your oath, can you swear you did not give it me to go and pawn? A. Safely.

Q. Did I not ask you if you had got any money, you said not, but there was the watch, and I might take and pawn it? A. I did not; we were not to have gone out together that evening, while my husband was at work.

COURT. Q. Was your husband there when he called? A. No; he was going out with his horse and cart - the prisoner saw him and spoke to him, and asked him what time he would be at home - he said about half-past eight

o'clock; he said, "I will stay till eight, and if you don't come till then, I must go;" this was about half-past three o'clock - he has many times paid me as long a visit in my husband's absence; my husband is a carman to a chemist and druggist - nothing but friendship made the prisoner's visit so long - he stopped about ten minutes after my husband left, which was about a quarter to four o'clock - he did not stay as he had said till eight o'clock; I did not employ him to pawn the watch; I did not allow him to take it - nothing was mentioned about a watch; I missed it about half a minute after he left - it is worth about 2l. - nothing has passed, to lead him to think he might use the watch, or take it away - the watch was in my use - it laid on the mantle-piece.

Prisoner. Q. Have you not on similar occasions when we were going to the play, gone out and pawned articles to raise money? A. No.

COURT. Q. Have you ever gone out with the prisoner in your husbands absence? A. Only once - I think about Christmas - I went with him to the Haymarket Theatre- my husband knew I was going.

Prisoner. She has been several times to my barracks, and called and got me out of the barracks, and got me drunk, and kept me away from my regiment? Witness. I only went to his barracks once, and that was in company with another young woman who went to see a friend of her's, and while I was there I called on the prisoner.

COURT. Q. Why did you call? A. Because he was a friend of ours - I went into no room - it was not at the barracks - it was a public house I saw him in - I drank with him - I staid about ten minutes - the young woman went to see another soldier, and she came away when I did - we had a pot of ale - the prisoner paid for it - the other woman was single.

Prisoner. What she has said is quite false - she came to me at half-past one o'clock on Sunday, and staid till the sergeant was obliged to turn her out of the barracks - we had about 10s. worth of drink among us. Witness. It is perfectly false - he is a false fellow - a wicked young man- I have not been out with him scores of times - only once - I was not with him at Bartholomew-fair - my husband was there likewise - we were altogether - I was never with him on Saffron-hill - I never went to a brothel with him.

Q. Do you remember what passed between you and me after Mr. Box went away with the cart? A. I don't exactly recollect the words; I don't think I spoke half a dozen words to him.

Q. Did not you say when we went towards the window by the bed-side, and I put my arm round your neck, did not you say, "Don't they will see us through the window, wait until towards evening?" A. No - he took no liberties with me at all.

COURT. Q. You charge the man with felony - on the solemn oath that you have taken, did you by any encouragement you gave him, lead him to suppose he might take the watch? A. No, there was never any familiarity between us.

Prisoner. Q. Did you not last December encourage me when I was four days absent from my regiment, to come and visit you while your husband was at work? and what took place while I was there? A. I never had any criminal intercourse with him.

Prisoner. I can prove there is a mark on her naked person; I leave it to you to judge. Witness. It is false; no further than what I told him - he asked me if I had once been bit by a dog; I told him yes; that was all that passed.

Prisoner. I have cohabited with her since 1826; she is nothing but a common prostitute.

COURT. Q. Did you, either before your marriage or since, have any improper connection with him? A. Once before I was married, and not since - I have known him eight years - I told my husband the watch was gone directly he came home - I did not know how it had gone at that time; I suspected the prisoner had taken it - I had had no quarrel with him - I told my husband who I suspected had taken it, and he was apprehended on Thursday morning - I missed it on Tuesday - I had not seen him in the interval.

FRANCIS MCLEAN . I am an officer. The prosecutrix applied to me and stated she had been robbed by a soldier in the Tower - I went there and found he was absent - I went again on Thursday and found him and took him to the Compter, and took him before the Magistrate - I received information, and heard the watch was deposited in somebody's hands; and found it at the sign of the Horse and Cart, Upper Thames-street; Young is the landlord - I produce the watch.

Prosecutrix. It is my husband's, and the watch I lost just after the prisoner went; nobody but him had an opportunity of taking it.

THOMAS YOUNG . I keep a public-house in Thames-street. On the 4th of June, the prisoner came to my house and asked for half a pint of rum, which he had - he had a watch swinging about when he came in; he was neither sober nor in liquor - he swore he would knock the watches brains out - I said "Don't knock the watch about, because hereafter you may want it again" - he said, "This watch has been with me into a great many countries, and I am determined to knock it to pieces" - he left it with me for the half-pint of rum - he then came up to me and borrowed 5s. - I said I have no wish to lend money on the watch - Mrs. Young said he might get into trouble, and I had better let him have the money - I lent him the 5s. to get himself some clean clothes to go into the regiment again respectably - he said he could not appear in the regiment in the state he was in; his trousers were dirty - he went away with a soldier who was there; I believe he was a horse-soldier - they went away together - they took a boat and went across the water - the soldier who was with him fell overboard; the prisoner was going to hold him, and says he had the money in his hand, and in catching the man from falling over, he let the money out of his hand; he came and said to me, "I have not been to my regiment, I want now 5s. more, will you lend me that on it"- I said no - my wife said, "You had better lend it him, he will get into trouble," and I lent him the money and he went away - he came back again next morning and wanted more money; I said I would not lend him any more - he begged very hard indeed, and I lent him 10s. more, making 20s. altogether - I gave the watch to the officer who came to me.(Witness for the Defence.)

JOSEPH LAWRIE . I am a sergeant in the Scotch Fusilleer Guards. I know the prisoner; I have been his

pay-sergeant four years - I never except once knew him charged with anything dishonest - in December last he was taken to Queen-square on a petty case of swindling, but was discharged - I am very sorry to say his character as a soldier was not regular - I cannot say I recollect the prosecutrix - I recollect turning two women out of the barracks one Sunday; they were enjoying themselves rather too freely at the corner of the barrack-yard - I thought they were getting too drunk and turned them out - I cannot swear the prosecutrix was one of them.


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1114. WILLIAM JONES was indicted that he, on the 1st of July , at St. Bridget, alias St. Bride's , knowingly, wilfully, and feloniously, did deliver to one Robert Colley, a certain letter, without any name or signature subscribed thereto, and which was addressed to the said Robert Colley, by the direction and description of Mr. Roberts, New-steet, Shoe-lane, demanding of the said Robert Colley , with menaces and without any reasonable or probable cause, certain monies; to wit, £2; with a view and intent to extort and gain of and from the said Robert Colley his monies , and which letter is as follows.

London, July 1st, 1833.

"Sir, - I am veary sorry to trouble you a gain, but you know your situation is that, and I expect you wilt give me some recompence for wat you have don, you recollect you intised me in this house for your own purposes, I consider you acted a unnatural crime, sodomy, and therefore I shal expect you will lend me the sum of two pounds, and if you do refuse it, I will rite a letter to your master, for I am determined to have the money. I remain, with much respect, yours, &c. &c. - I want an answer, and will not go with out it. I have somebody close at and, that has got another letter for your master relating wat you have done."

2nd COUNT, like the 1st, only omitting the words printed in italics, and substituting the words following:- "Threatening to accuse the said Robert Colley of a certain crime punable by law with death, that is to say, the abominable crime of Sodomy."

ROBERT COLLEY . I am servant to Mr. Groves, of New-street, Shoe-lane. About four months ago, I was on my way home in Holborn, the prisoner came up to me and asked if I knew of any situation, I asked what situation he wanted, he said, an errand boy 's situation, or anything, for he was starving, I said, I knew of none; he asked me to relieve him, for he had been walking about all day, and wanted something to warm him; I said, if he would come home with me, I would see if I had any victuals; he pleaded hard for spirits - I took him into a gin-shop and gave him 11/2d. worth of gin - I paid for it and left the house, and when he came out, he asked me to give him something to eat; I said, I was but a servant, and could not afford it, but I lived close by, and if he would come to the house, I would see if there was any victuals, and if there was, I would give it to him; I rang the bell, and went to get him some broken victuals which was left for my supper; I gave it to him - I saw him following me along the passage - I said, I had told him to stand at the door; he made some reply - I went to the pantry and got the victuals; I asked if he had any thing to wrap it in; he said, no; I wrapped it in a paper and sent him off. He came again on the Saturday evening late, and my fellow-servant answered him - that was on the 29th of June; they told me had been - and he came again about eleven o'clock, and I asked how he dare come at that time of night - he asked me to lend him a sovereign, I refused, and said, I knew nothing of him; he said, he had heard of a situation and wished to get a few things - I refused, and almost shut the door in his face, and told my fellow-servant if he came again, I would kick him away from the door - he has annoyed me ever since I relieved him; last Monday he came first about five o'clock and asked me to lend him money; I said, I would not, and told him not to come to me again; he came again in less than two minutes, and put this letter into my hand, and said he had somebody waiting for him, and would call on Wednesday for an answer, between twelve and one o'clock; I opened it and showed it to Clark, my fellow-servant - I afterwards showed it to the officer (looking at the letter) I can swear this is the letter.

Prisoner. Q. Can you deny that I never stopped in the house all night one Friday last January, until Saturday morning? I went into the house and stopped there all night, and came out in the morning at half-past seven o'clock - I was going along, the young man came up to me at a picture shop, and jogged me by the arm; he went away - I followed him; he said, "It is a very fine night is not it?" and said, "Are you going this way?" I said, yes; he said, "We will walk together;" and he asked me to drink; he walked down Blackfriar's-bridge to Bankside, and there he committed what was highly improper; he put my hand into his trousers, and said, he thought it was not safe in the street, but he would let me in for the night if I chose; soon after, we went over the bridge into a house, and came out with an old lady dressed in black - he said, "Come along, she is quite deaf and cannot hear a word;" he went with her to Great-turnstile, and he did a similar thing; and when he got to his house, he said, "I cannot let you in, the family are not all in bed, if you will wait and knock at the pantry window over the door when you see a light there, I shall be there" - I waited and saw a light, and the watchman asked me the time, I said, it was about twelve o'clock; the prosecutor said, "Go round to the front door, and I will open it" - I went; he said, "Take off your shoes" - I did so; he went into the second door; he said, "I must put the chain up to the door;" he went in the kitchen, and said,"Will you mind having something to eat," and brought me slice of bread and cold mutton - I eat about a mouthful of it and left the rest till morning; he let down the bedstead out of the wardrobe, and we went to bed - I awoke about half-past seven o'clock; we got up, I eat the rest of the mutton, and went out; and that night he did similar to what he did before.

Prosecutor. I never went further with him than the shop to give him the drink.

Prisoner. You took the old lady to Turnstile, she asked who I was, and you said I was a friend of somebody named Sard. Prosecutor. The old lady I took to Little-turnstile, not Great-turnstile - it was her son's; I relieved him before I took the old lady home - I took her to Princes-street; I never on my oath, let him into my master's house, no let him pass the night in the same room as myself.

Prisoner. I can describe the room to you.

Prosecutor. He came and asked me if I was alarmed one night about eleven o'clock going to bed, if I had

heard somebody at my pantry window; I said, I did, and had heard them use very bad expressions, and I called my fellow servant up - I never let him in further than the passage - when he came to the end of the passage, I gave him the mutton and sent him off - he did not stop in the house five minutes - he came to the pantry window, I asked how he dare take the liberty; he said, he saw the light, and supposed it was me going to bed; and a person saw him get up and look into the room, and anybody looking through there, can look over my room.

Prisoner. He said to me in the morning, "You can call sometimes when you are at leisure;" and I called three times; and I asked him first to lend me sixpence, he said, he had not got less than a sovereign; I said, then he could not lend it to me; he said, he was obliged to maintain an old mother; after that, I was going down Holborn, I saw a young man who said, "Don't you know a person at No. 10, New-street, at the King's printing-office; I said, I did; he said, "His name is Robert, if you will have the goodness when you go there to take a note for me, and there is 6d. for yourself; and he gave me this letter.

Prosecutor. It is false; he says, I went to Great-turnstile with the old lady; I took her to Princes-street - he said the man's name was Bennett, who gave him the letter, and he would bring him forward.

Prisoner. A young man asked me if I knew the young man living in Shoe-lane - a lowish young man; and if I would take the letter, he would give me something to drink; I asked him what sort of a letter it was; he said, nothing particular, he should stay outside till I took it, and he did; he stood opposite on the other side of the way, while I took it in, and the prosecutor asked me who that young man was.

Prosecutor. On my oath, I did not ask him who the young man was; I did not see any young man.

Prisoner. He asked repeatedly who he was the young man stood close to the door; that was the person who gave me the letter for him; he said "There you can take the letter now," and I went and gave him the letter, and staid until he read it, and he said, "I have not got any money, if you want any recompense for what I have done, why not ask for it in an open way?" I said I did not write the letter, he said, who did - I said "Why that young man there - he says, if you don't give him money, he shall send somebody for it," he had said, "If you will call on Wednesday between twelve and one, I will give you 5s. that is all I can spare;" I said, "That is the young man who sent the letter," he said, "I know nothing of him," and when I went out the young man was gone; I asked where he lived he said in Cromer-street, but it is said no such person lives there.

Prosecutor. He did not tell me he received it from another young man, nor that a young man was waiting.

Prisoner. He asked me who sent the note, and said,"I will give you 5s. if you will come on Wednesday?"

Prosecutor. I never opened the note till he was gone, he said he would leave it, and he or somebody would call on Wednesday between twelve and one o'clock. I showed the note to a young man, and asked him, if I had not better have an officer in attendance? He said, by all means, and my brother-in-law wished me to go to the Lard Mayor; I went, but it was not office hours; the prisoner came for the money, and was apprehended; when he came to the door I asked him to come in, he would not; I asked him again, he would not, and then I asked him what he wanted of me, and he asked for some recompense for what I had done.

Prisoner. Did you not say you would give me some recompense for what you had done? A. Never on my oath- he told the Lord Mayor, Bennett wrote the letter, (letter read, for which see indictment).

WILLIAM MARCHANT . I am superintendant of the nightly watch. The prosecutor came to the Mansion-house, last Tuesday evening, and showed me the letter - I consulted the Lord Mayor about it, and he desired me to take the man into custody; I went to the house about eleven o'clock on Wednesday morning, and staid till about half-past twelve, when the prisoner came to the door, and the prosecutor said, "Come in;" he asked him twice; he refused to come in; he then said, "What is it you want of me," he said, "I want some money for what you have done to me," and at that moment, I went and took him; I examined the outer part of the house, which leads to the prosecutors bed-room - any body could get up by laying hold of the rails, and see all over the room when he was going to bed; he don't shut the window shutters, because there is a dead wall facing his bedroom; and he says he never shuts his shutters because it should not be dark in the morning; his bed does open with folding doors right opposite the window, anybody can see it by looking in at the window; I did not ask the prisoner any questions; I delivered him to another officer; I knew nothing of him before.

Prisoner. There is no iron rails that side of the house, and it is too high to reach without a ladder; the foot of the bed comes nearly to the window; there is folding doors in the counter, and two cupboards on each side of the fire place.

Witness. Anybody can see over the window with the greatest ease and see all over the room.

Prisoner. There is no hole in the wall where any body can put their foot in and get up.

Witness. The window is about five feet ten from the floor; anybody laying hold of the window to raise themselves up can see it.

Prisoner. There are spikes outside. Witness. That I don't know, I tried myself to get up to the window, and did, and could see with case all over the room.

Prisoner. You could not see inside the kitchen by looking in at that window, for the kitchen is not in sight.

Witness. The kitchen lies on the left; the prosecutor sleeps on the right; a person can see all over his bed room.

Prisoner. I could not get up there; I was not out of the house till half-past seven in the morning.

JURY to MARCHANT. Q. Did you go into the young man's bed-room? A. Yes, I did and then viewed it from the outside - the bedstead opens with folding doors, and lies down right opposite the window.

Prisoner. I could see the drawers which are under the beadstead, there are two large drawers under the bedstead, and I could not see them when the bed was down - nobody could see them because the bedstead being down would hide them.

WILLIAM MARCHANT . Before the bed is let down they can be seen; but after the bed is down, I should say they could not be seen.

Prisoner. I could not see into the kitchen, which was

facing the door, it is on the ground-floor, there is very large old fashioned clock there. Witness. There is a Dutch clock in the kitchen.

Prisoner. I was at the kitchen door, when he fetched the light to go into his room. Witness. The clock could be seen from the kitchen door.

Prisoner's Defence. I can say nothing further than I have said which is all perfectly true; and what the young man says is perfectly false, every syllable of it - I saw nobody when I left the house; but when I went home I was asked where I had been all night, and I said I had been at Paddington - my mother asked where I had been to - I said I had been to a theatre at Paddington - the officer says, I asked for money, when I went - I said I wanted some recompense for what he had done - I never mentioned money.

WILLIAM MARCHANT. When the bell was rang the prosecutor went, and opened the door, and said, "Come in," and he said "No, I wont come in;" he asked him twice, he would not come in, and he then said, "What do you want with me" - he said, "I want some money from you, for a recompense for what you have done to me."

Prisoner. I rang the bell; the young man asked me to walk in, and I said I would rather not, being in a hurry, he said "You had better walk in," and I said, no I would not, and he said, "What do you want with me;" I said, I wanted some recompense for what he had done; the officer said, walk in, and I went in the parlour, and the officer said, "You are in custody;" I said very well.

WILLIAM MARCHANT. I took him into the parlour certainly, and my brother officer who was with me, said,"You are in custody."

Prisoner. When I was in the parlour, a woman came in, and began kicking up a row; and when I went on the Saturday night, they said, he was out, and would not be home till late, and when I saw him, he said, I should not have come so late, he said, "When you come this way you can call again," and he has made one or two appointments to meet me.

WILLIAM MARCHANT . The maid servant certainly did call him a brute.

GUILTY . Aged 16. - Transported for Life .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-93
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty

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NEW COURT. Saturday, July 6th.

Fourth Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Sergeant Arabin.

1115. DAVID ANDERSON was indicted for forging on the 30th of May , an acquittance for 13s. 8d., with intent to defraud Sir William Henry Poland , Knight , against the Statute. THREE OTHER COUNTS, varying the manner of stating the charge, and for forging on the 25th of March an acquittance for 25s. with intent to defraud Sir William Henry Poland, Knight, against the Statute.

THREE OTHER COUNTS, varying the manner of stating the charge, to which he pleaded GUILTY .

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1116. JOSEPH SHAW was indicted that he, on the 27th of July , feloniously did forge a certain receipt for money , which is as follows:

27th July, 1832.

Received of Viscount Goderich, the sum of Thirtery Pounds, One Shilling, and Three Pence.

£30 1s. 3 William Pullan . with intent to defraud the Right Honourable Viscount, now Earl of, Ripon , against the Statute.

THREE OTHER COUNTS for uttering, disposing of, and putting off the same, with a like intent.

MR. CLARKSON conducted the prosecution.

RIGHT HONOURABLE THE EARL OF RIPON. I am a Privy-Counsellor . In September 1830 the prisoner came into my service as butler , and in 1831 he was promoted to the situation of house-steward; it was his duty to make the daily provision for the family, and to pay the ordinary tradesmen's bills - he kept this book, in which the tradesmen's receipts are wafered to the blue leaves of the book, which I settle generally from month to month, but not uniformly so - this other book was generally kept by her ladyship, but sometimes the accounts were entered here by myself; the household accounts were uniformly carried to Lady Ripon, unless she was too ill to go through the business; the household bills were entered in this book, and cast up by her ladyship or by myself, but before payment they were cast up generally by myself - the amount of the household bills, in June and July, 1832 are stated here to be £157 7s. 71/2d. - her ladyship's initials are at the bottom of the sum, but the figures are my writing; and I gave the prisoner a larger sum to discharge these and some other bills of an antecedent date; among these items here are one of £10 18s. 5d. for vegetables, and one of £19 2s. 10d. for fruit, which make £30 1s. 3d.; this is the book which the prisoner brought to me for the purpose of obtaining the money to pay those bills - these two small books are indorsed, "Pullan, green-grocer," and in the inside, "Pullan, fruiterer," in the handwriting of the prisoner; the tradesman's name in both is spelt Pullan - it was the prisoner's duty to pay these bills immediately he had the money - in March last, I had some suspicion of his honesty; he was taken before a Magistrate, but that had no reference to these sums, or to any charge of felony - after he had been examined he came back to my house, with a person who had previously lived with me as butler, whom I desired to bring him back, if he were disposed to come, with a view to ascertain from him the extent to which those other transactions had gone - I believe this receipt for £30 1s. 3d. to be the handwriting of the prisoner, and the tradesman's name is spelt Pullan, which corresponds with the spelling of the name on these small books - I consider the prisoner left my service on Monday, the 25th of March, and not long afterwards Pullen applied to me for payment of his bill, but the precise time I don't recollect - in consequence of what he said, I referred to the prisoner's book, in which the receipts were kept, and I found this receipt in it, which I showed to Pullen - I certainly was struck with it as soon as I saw it.

COURT. Q. Am I to understand, that antecedent to the application of Pullen for payment of that bill, that that book was in your Lordship's possession? A. It was not put into my hands by the prisoner, but was found in the butler's pantry.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. I believe that book was left behind by the prisoner in your Lordship's house? A. It was - I did not find it, but I understood it was locked up in a cupboard, in which he kept other things belonging to me; I asked him on Monday morning, the 25th of March, for these books, telling him I wished to examine all the

bills and accounts, but he did not bring them to me, and, in fact he absented himself from my house from that time, except for one or two very short intervals on that day - on a subsequent occasion, he came to my house for the purpose of making up his accounts, and by mistake he was not permitted to enter - after what took place before the Magistrate in March, those things which were belonging to the prisoner, in my house, were by his own consent sold, and the proceeds were handed to my steward, they produced £61 12s. - my belief of this receipt being in the prisoner's handwriting, is founded on a perfect knowledge of his handwriting, which I have seen for two years and a half, - corroborated by the spelling of this name being similar - when I opened this book and saw this receipt, my expression was, "This receipt is a forgery in his handwriting" - I should have believed it to be his handwriting, if these words which are misspelt, had not come under my notice.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. What was the amount of the prisoner's deficiency, at the time your lordship received the sum you have stated from the sale of his effects? A. I conceive not less than £200.

WILLIAM PULLEN . I was in the habit of supplying the family of the Earl of Ripon with fruit and vegetables - I knew the prisoner as steward there - this receipt is not my writing, nor is it my name, it is Pullan not Pullen - these small books are what I used to keep accounts in; in July last, his Lordship was indebted to me £10 18s. 5d. and £19 2s. 10d. for fruit and vegetables - I did not receive that money at all in July.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Is this small book in your handwriting? A. No, my son's; I am but an indifferent scholar - my son gives receipts occasionally for me - he is not here - he never authorises other persons to give receipts for me, and he never gives receipts in my absence.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Is this receipt your son's writing? A. No Sir, nor any one belonging to me - I never authorised the prisoner to give receipts in my name - my son would have attended here if he had been desired.(The receipt was here put in and read. See Indictment.)

Prisoner's Defence. At the time I was in Lord Goderich's service I was deputed to be house-steward, and was employed to market in the best manner I could - I believe it is customary for noblemen to advance money in such cases, but I never had it; though I believe his Lordship would have given it me - I certainly employed Mr. Pullen as greengrocer, but previous to him I had employed Gosling, a greengrocer in Covent-garden market- he had transactions with me for twelve months, and I paid him up to about nine or ten months of his leaving us- Lady Goderich desired me to call in his account, which I did in a book similar to this one; I believe that book remained in her ladyship's hands for some time before it was settled; and I believe there was a greater account due to Gosling when he was paid; he presented me that account, but whether I presented it to Lady Goderich or not I cannot say, but I paid the amount, and never charged Lord Goderich a shilling for it; but it is in this book - I next paid an account of a greengrocer at Charing-cross, the name I cannot tell, but the amount was 3l. odd shillings; and these circumstances involved me very materially; I should no doubt by means of my friends, have had the power to exonerate myself, but I was not allowed that indulgence - I went to my master's house, but was refused admission, and could not make out my accounts, or I should have endeavoured to have set all right.

JURY to LORD RIPON . Q. Had the book in which this receipt is, been exhibited to your Lordship, or to her Ladyship, or to any one? A. I had frequently seen the book, and referred to it for particular receipts; but this receipt was not especially shown to me, nor did I find it till after Pullen had applied to me for the money - the receipt is in the common receipt book, it is dated the 27th of July, 1832.

GUILTY on the first Count. Aged 49.

4th July 1833
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1117. JOSEPH SHAW was again indicted that he, on the 21st of July , did feloniously forge a receipt for money , which is as follows:

July 21, 1832.

Received of Lord Goderich for hire of a donkey, the sum of thirteen pounds, seven shillings, and sixpence, as per bill.

£13 7s. 6d. W. Brown. with intent to defraud the Right Honourable Viscount Goderich, now Earl of Ripon , against the Statute, &c.

THREE OTHER COUNTS for uttering, disposing of, and putting off the same, with a like intent.

MR. CLARKSON conducted the prosecution.

LORD RIPON . The prisoner was my house-steward , and paid the tradesmen's bills - it was his duty as soon as he had paid the money to affix the receipts in this book, which was all he had to do with a receipt unless I desired to see it previous to its being put there - I was indebted to a person of the name of Brown £13. 7s. 6d. for the hire of a donkey, and that is one of the items for which the prisoner received the whole money of me - I believe this receipt for it to be in the prisoner's handwriting.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Can your Lordship charge your memory with the fact of having seen this receipt previous to the prisoner departing from your service? A. I cannot.

JOHN BROWN . I am the son of William Brown who died on the 14th of November last; he kept donkeys, and supplied my Lord Goderich's family with asses' milk as I heard, but I was not at home at that time - this receipt for £13. 7s. 6d. is not my father's writing nor mine.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you know anything of the accounts between your father and the prisoner? A. No, not till I came home about three weeks after my father's death, and saw this account in the book, which is not here- I should not think my father had authorised the prisoner to give receipts in his name, but I cannot say what took place in my absence.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Have you demanded the money of my Lord Ripon since then? A. Yes; it appears in our books as unpaid; this receipt is not my father's writing nor mine.(Receipt read. See Indictment.)

Prisoner's Defence. With regard to Brown's receipt, I went purposely to Wimbledon to pay it on the day I was deputed; I cannot say when it was - he was not at home; I left part of the money with a landlady there - I met Brown some time after that and authorised him to call on me, which he did, and I paid him the balance - I believe he

could not write, and he authorised me to sign the receipt.

GUILTY on the First Count. Aged 49.

There was another indictment against the prisoner.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-96
VerdictGuilty; Guilty; Guilty

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1118. WILLIAM SMITH , FREDERICK YOUNG , and JOHN WEBB , were indicted for stealing on the 19th of May , 1 saddle, value 10s.; 1 breeching and crupper, value 20s.; 4 horse-collars and housings, value 42s.; 5 bridles, value 45s.; 6 pairs of hames, value 30s.; 3 pair of trace-chains, value 10s.; 2 cruppers, value 25s.; 2 wantings, value 15s.; 3 back-bands, value 24s.; 3 belly-bands, value 6s., and 1 wheelbarrow, value 10s. , the goods of Archibald Parris .

MR. CLARKSON conducted the prosecution.

WILLIAM SMITH . I am carman to Mr. Archibald Parris, of Beech-hill-park; I live at one of his farms in the parish of Enfield - there are stables there, and I had the care of the harness - on the 18th of May I was there, and all the harness was safe - there were saddles, breechings, cruppers, and all sorts of harness; they were all safe between six and seven o'clock that evening - I know nothing about the wheelbarrow - I locked the stable-door when I went away; that was on Saturday, and on Sunday morning I went to the stable about half-past five o'clock; one window and one door was open, and the articles stated were missing - I have seen the harness before the Magistrate; it is here now - it is the same as I lost from the stable; it is the harness for four horses, all but one crupper.

SAMUEL ELLIS . I live with my father; he is a farmer, and lives between Mr. Parris's farm and Laycock's field. On the morning of Sunday, the 19th of May, about four o'clock, or a little after, I saw a person go past, wheeling a barrow containing what appeared to me to be cart-harness- I observed some saddles, collars, and hames - I noticed some hames which appeared to be very bright - the young man who wheeled it had a dirty fustian jacket on, a pair of breeches, a gaiter on one leg, and a white stocking on the other - I know the prisoner, Young, but I cannot say whether he is the man or not.

JOHN FREEMAN . I am foreman to Mr. Henry Young , a farmer; my farm is between Mr. Parris's and Laycock's-field. On Sunday morning, the 19th of May, I heard a person speak as I laid in bed, between four and five o'clock- I got out of bed and looked who it was, and the person on the left-hand side of the road was the prisoner Smith, the person on the other side I did not know, but he had a horses collar on his neck, and Smith had some horses gear on his shoulder - the person I saw on the other side of the road was dressed as Webb was when I saw him before the Magistrate - I stopped out of bed, and who should come by in less than ten minutes, but a lad with a wheelbarrow, and upon it I noticed a cart saddle with a double row of brassnails - the lad had a dark jacket on, a black cap, a gaiter on one leg, and a light stocking on the other- about seven o'clock the same morning, as I passed the Holly Bush , I saw the same person, as I had seen with one gaiter on, with two gaiters on; it was the prisoner Young- he was a little distance from the Holly Bush , and he had not then got the round jacket on - I am certain Young was the man.

Cross-examined by MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. At what time did you see Smith on one side of the road, and another person on the other? A. Between four and five o'clock - I had been awake and got out of bed as I heard them speak - I could not tell what sort of horse gear it was that Smith had - I suppose the road is a pole and a half wide; Smith was on the side furthest from me - they only walked by and were speaking as they passed - they were sideways to me, and were going past the middle part of my window when I saw them - it was broad day-light.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Had you a clock in your house? A. Yes; I am sure it had gone four o'clock.

THOMAS BREWER . I keep the Holly Bush, at Chase-side. I know the three prisoner's perfectly well; two of them live at Chase-side, and Webb has been working about there - I have heard that his father is in Mr. Parris's employ - Young has left his father and lives any where; Smith lives at a little cottage just by me - I have seen Smith and Young in company, but I don't know whether they were acquainted or not - the three prisoner's were all at my house in company on Saturday night, the 18th of May, they came about nine and staid till nearly eleven o'clock - I then went into the tap-room and said, "Gentlemen, It is shutting-up time," and they all went away - there were five or six more persons in the tap-room - my house is about three miles from Mr. Parris's, and you have to pass Laycock's-fields to go to Mr. Parris's - the prisoners came to my house the next morning; I did not see them come in but I saw them at half-past seven o'clock.

Cross-examined. Q. Smith was at your house at eleven o'clock on Saturday night, and again at half-past seven o'clock on Sunday morning? A. Yes, I forget what kind of morning it was - Smith lives not more than ten poles from my house; it is common for men to come and sit at the same table and talk together, if they do not know one another.

RICHARD WATKIN . I am a Bow-street horse-patrol. I went, from information, with Mead, on Sunday afternoon, the 19th of May, to Smith's, the prisoner's house; I took him and Webb, who was in the house with him, they were both sitting down - I then went with Mead to Freeman, he described another person, and I took the prisoner Young from that description - I found him at a shoemaker's named Brown, about fifty yards from Smith's house; I told him I wanted him as one concerned in stealing Mr. Parris's harness - he said, he knew nothing about it - in taking him to the cage, I said,"You were seen wheeling the harness, and the cart-saddle was on the top of it, and you had only one gaiter on, and a light stocking" - he said, "It was not a gaiter, but my brother's boot I had on" - this was between three and four o'clock, we had taken Smith and Webb about two o'clock; I went the next day to Laycock's field, which joins the road by a neck of it - it is in the road from Mr. Parris's to the Holly Bush , and about a mile from the Holly Bush - the road passes by Smith's, and Young's, and Ellis's, and Freeman's.

Cross-examined. Q. You found Smith at home, but you found nothing there relating to this transaction? A. Nothing at all - there was rain that morning.

Young. You asked me whether I had got a gaiter on, and I said, "No, I took my shoe to Mr. Brown's, and my brother's boot was there, and I put it on."

THOMAS AUSTIN . I am one of the constables of

Barnet. I had received information respecting the loss of Mr. Parris's harness, and I told Mead and Watkin - Webb's father is under-bailiff at Mr. Parris's; Mr. Parris has a large dog, who is very sharp, and does not like strangers - I have worked upon the premises myself- the prisoner Webb knows the dog; I had Webb in custody at the George, at Enfield - his father came there to him, and said, "John, I hope you have not had any hand in the harness" - he said, "No" - "if you did," said the old man, "I hope you will acquaint me with it"- the prisoner said, "No, I will have my b - y arm chopped off first" - he said to Walsh, while his father was in the room, "I wont tell any person where the harness is, only you" - he said, "Go into Mr. Laycock's field, and look under the heaps of dung, and there is the harness" - I asked him which part of the field, he said,"If you look in the upper heaps of the field, you will find the barrow" - I went there, and found it, this is it, and the harness. (producing it.)

JOHN MEAD . I am constable of Enfield. I went with the other officer to take the prisoner; I have known Young from his infancy - I have seen him in a kind of blue waistcoat, and a dark cap, and he had one on when we took him - Smith and Webb said, that they had worked for Mr. Laycock.

Cross-examined. Q. I believe Mr. Laycock has a great many persons work for him? A. Yes, he has.

MARK WALSH . I am one of the constables of Barnet. I went to Enfield with Webb's father; I saw Austin and Webb in the room - Webb's father shook hands with him, and they both fell crying - the son said, "Do not say anything to those two men in the cage, but the harness is in Laycock's field, hid in the dung in the upper end of the field, if you will go with me, I will show you" - I handcuffed myself to him, and went, but Mead and Austin had been and got it - as we were going along, Smith said, he could transport both Webb and his brother- he asked me if Webb had told me what I had spoken of before the magistrate, about the two men in the cage; I said, "Yes" - then, said he, "I could transport both Webb and his brother;" a man said to Smith, "I will give you a leg up when you go to have your trial; I will swear you were along with me all night."

Cross-examined. Q. What are you? A. Patrol to the Barnet Association - I don't know what was Webb's reason for saying, "Say nothing to those two men in the cage" - Smith said, when Webb had brought him into danger, that he could transport him and his brother; it was in the open street, and in presence of all of us that the man came and said he would give him a leg up on his trial - I should know the man if I saw him again.

WILLIAM M'CAFFERY . I am one of the constables of Barnet. I had Webb in my custody; I told him if I had come round one corner of the field, I should have found him and his two mates - he said, "If you had, you should not have been alive now" - I said, "I don't care, I have got that in my pocket which would take two of you down, and you, I should not have cared for."

Webb. I did not say any such thing. Witness. Yes, you did, your father heard it.

WILLIAM DICKINSON . I am steward to Mr. Parris, at the farm spoken of. One of our men, who is Webb's brother, found some of the old harness in another field; the prisoner Webb knew my master's dog on the farm well - I cannot say whether the dog was fond of him, but he is a very good dog; he would not let me go into the yard - I know this barrow, it is Mr. Parris's, and made by his carpenter - this harness is his, it is worth between 11l. and 12l.

Young's Defence. It is very strange that Ellis, who has known me all my life, should not know me, and Freeman, whom I never spoke to, should know me.

Webb's Defence. I went to Mr. Brewer's, and stopped there till eleven o'clock at night; I got very tipsy, and laid down against the brewer's shed - I then got up, went round the road, and met four men by the side of Mr. Laycock's field, but neither of them were Smith or Young, they had long smock frocks on.

SARAH SMITH . I am daughter of the prisoner Smith, I live in the same house with him at Enfield. I remember the night this robbery is said to have been committed, my father came home that night at half-past eleven o'clock, and did not go out till seven o'clock the next morning - in the whole course of that night, he was not out of the house; we all sleep in one room - it is impossible that he could have got up and dressed himself and gone out without my knowing it; I and my two sisters slept in the room - he got up and went away about seven o'clock in the morning.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Have you a mother alive? A. Yes; she slept there too - I know Webb by sight, he is not in the habit of coming often to our house - I don't know that I ever saw him there.

Q. Now, be careful, for your own sake - upon your oath, have you not often seen him at your father's house? A. No, Sir, I have not to my knowledge; I remember my father being taken into custody.

Q. Was not Webb there then? A. Yes, I had forgotten that - I came in just as the constable came in, and he was there then, but I will swear he was not there when I went out; I had been out about an hour - I had never seen him at my father's to my knowledge before - I remember my father being taken before the magistrate; I went there, I did not offer to give evidence - I did not say to any one, but to my sister, that I was able to prove that my father was at home all night; one of my sisters is twenty-one years old, and the other is eleven- I know a person named Hockett; he came to our house that Saturday-night, and went away at two o'clock the next morning, and my father went to bed at two o'clock - we were not sitting up so late for any thing particular; we had supper about a quarter to twelve o'clock - we had bread and cheese and porter; Hockett came about half-past ten o'clock - my father, mother, Hockett, and I, and my two younger sisters supped - I have three sisters in all - I am turned eighteen; one of my younger sisters is eleven, and the other eight - we sat talking over our supper, I had not been at home a week; Hockett was standing at the door, when my father went up stairs to bed - I then locked the door, and locked Hockett out; I then went up stairs into the room, but did not go to bed directly; it was half-past two o'clock before I went to bed - it was the first evening I had seen Hockett after I came home - he is rather paying his addresses to me;

I mostly make it a practice to look out at the window before I go to bed, and I did so that night, but I did not open the window - I did not observe it to rain; my father gets his living by work - he works for Mr. Laycock, to my best belief - Hockett went with us before the magistrate; I was with him when the prisoners were being brought from the magistrate's - I remember his saying to my father, "Never mind, old boy, I will give you a leg up upon your trial" - I did not hear him say,"I will swear you were with me all night."

Q. Upon your solemn oath, did not he say, I was with you all night? A. I did not hear that - I will not swear that he did not say it.

MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. Do not people in the situation of life in which your father is, sit up later on Saturday nights than on other nights? A. Yes, rather so; I had been before that in service at Clapton for seven months - I saw Hockett out of the door that night; I then locked the door, took the key up stairs with me, and put it on the shelf; I found it in the morning in the very same place - I am the person who unlocked the door with it at six o'clock; I found the door exactly the same as I had left it - no questions were asked of any person in defence of the prisoner before the magistrate; I was not there all the time the examination was going on - I heard Mr. Freeman examined - I did not hear any witness for the prisoner called - my sister who is older than me is here; her name is Ann Boreham - the other two are at home.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Do you know of your father having been in custody before? A. He has been in custody, but not in such trouble as this.

COURT. Q. Your father came home at half-past eleven? A. Yes, Brewer's is about one hundred yards from our house; I was standing at the door when my father came home - I don't know where Webb and Young live; I did not see them in company with my father that night.

HENRY HOCKETT . I am a labourer in the employ of Mr. Harris - I was at the prisoner Smith's house on the night of this robbery - I was with Smith from half-past eleven till two - I supped there; we had bacon and eggs.

SMITH - GUILTY . Aged 46.

YOUNG - GUILTY . Aged 20.

WEBB - GUILTY . Aged 25.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-97

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1119. WILLIAM SMITH was again indicted for stealing, on the 3rd of May , 60 yards of cloth, being a covering for a tulip bed, value 50s. the property of Edwin Walker .

CATHERINE JONES . I am in the service of Mr. Edwin Walker; he is a brewer , and lives in Enfield parish - he had a covering over his tulip bed - on the 2nd of May I was in the plantation and saw it safe, and on the 3rd the cloth was gone - I had seen a fair-complexioned middleaged man looking over the fence; here is part of the cloth which belonged to my master; I know it by some marks on it, and where I had sewn it.

JOHN MEAD . I took the prisoner on the other charge, and as I was bringing him and the other prisoners up to Newgate, I saw Smith had a shirt on, made of a coarse sort of cloth; I had heard of this loss, and I sent word to Mr. Walker that if he would send me a piece of his cloth, I should be able to find the rest; he sent me a piece of Tuesday - and on Wednesday I went to Smith's house with a search-warrant, and found this cloth, (which is all in pieces) concealed between the bed and sacking - Smith's wife was at home.

RICHARD WATKINS . I went with Mead and found the cloth between the bed and sacking.

JAMES FREEMAN . I live at Enfield. On the 2nd of May, I saw Smith go by the cottage where I live; he went a quarter of a mile, then turned back, and I saw him and William Thomas looking over a hedge, near to where this cloth was.

Prisoner's Defence. I was going to a sale up there, but it rained, and I turned back - the person this cloth belonged to, left it with Ann Boreham, to make shirts.

ANN BOREHAM . I am the prisoner's daughter; Webb brought me these two shirts to make, and said he would give me a shilling each for making them, which I should have done but I was out at work.

GUILTY . Aged 46.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-98

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1120. JOSEPH YOUNG was indicted for stealing, on the 18th of June , 1 hat, value 10s.; 1 shirt pin, value 5s.; 1 pair of glores, value 6d.; 1 half-sovereign; and 8 shillings, the property of James Carr , from his person .

JAMES CARR . I am a servant out of place . On the morning of the 18th of June, I went to Covent-garden , soon after four o'clock; I was quite sober then; I met the prisoner at a public-house near Covent-garden, between five and six o'clock; he said he had no work and asked me to treat him; I had never seen him before but I gave him two or three glasses of ale - there were two or three other persons there - I then said, I was going home to the west-end, and he said, he would walk with me, and just as we got to Mr. Phillips's he asked me to treat him again - this was near seven o'clock; I said, I was out of place, but I would give him some beer - I went in and called for a pint of beer, and not being used to ale and beer I fell asleep, and when I awoke I missed my hat and the money stated, and my shirt pin - and found my pocket turned out; I have never recovered any part of it - the prisoner had sat by my side when I went to sleep, but he was gone when I awoke - I went to the station-house and stated my case - I saw the prisoner the next day, and had him taken.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. Where did you first see him on the 18th? A. In Covent-garden, and we went to a public-house close to the market; I don't know the name of the street; it might be Russell-street - there were two or three other persons there who were tossing for beer, but I did not toss with them; I drank with them - I should think we were there twenty minutes; we were standing at the bar; I don't know how much I drank - I then went with the prisoner to Mr. Phillips's, that was the next public-house we stopped at; I there called for two pints of porter, at two different times - the prisoner and I drank it; we had no ale then, nor any cigars; there was no one there when we went in, but others came in afterwards - I was not intoxicated, I was stupified, and fell asleep - I met the prisoner the day afterwards near Portland-road; I did not charge him with the robbery the instant I saw him; I did not drink with him, nor ask him to drink, nor did he me - I walked with him to a public-house

in Norton-street, as I was determined not to leave him till I met an officer - the prisoner went into the house, but I did not see him searched - I know I had the articles stated, when I went to sleep at Mr. Phillips's, the gloves were in my hat, which was on my head.

MARY ANN PHILLIPS . I live with my brother at the George and Crown, Broad-street, Bloomsbury; the prosecutor and the prisoner came there on the day stated, and had two pints of porter, which the prosecutor paid for, he then fell asleep; the prisoner sat by his side - when the prosecutor came in he had a hat on, and when he awoke he complained of the loss of his hat and his money, and the pin out of his shirt - I saw the prisoner again at five o'clock the next morning, and he offered to change a good hat with any person in the tap-room.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you hear him say he wanted some money? A. No, I only saw the prosecutor asleep and the prisoner there, and no one entered the box while they were there.

ANN TINGLE . I live at the George and Crown. I recollect the prosecutor and prisoner being there; they sat together; I went in and saw the prosecutor asleep - the prisoner was counting money in his hand, and he had a pair of white gloves in his hand.

Cross-examined. Q. Was the prosecutor asleep at this time? A. Yes, and the prisoner was counting the money under the table - I was cleaning the place and went through to change the water.

THOMAS WILLINGS (police-constable E 141). The prisoner was given in charge to me by the prosecutor, for taking his hat and other things the day before - the prisoner said he was drunk and did not know what he was about - I was going to the office with the prisoner, and I was asking the prosecutor some questions - the prisoner said I had no right to ask any questions; I said, I knew my duty, I had a right to ask the prosecutor any questions, but the prisoner none - I found nothing on the prisoner but a bad sixpence.

- YOUNG. I am the prisoner's mother. On the 19th of June he had a very good hat on, he had had it new about three weeks - he had no older one at that time.

COURT. Q. Do you know where he bought it? A. No; I believe he bought it of a Jew - he never told me where he bought it - it was not a particularly good one, but it was new - it did not exactly fit him, and that was why he wanted to change it; he wanted to get a shilling, or 1s. 6d. for it, and an old hat.

- Dixon, a hackney-coachman, gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY . Aged 23.

4th July 1833
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1121. WILLIAM HAYWOOD was indicted for stealing, on the 12th of June , 6 half-crowns, 10 shillings, and 5 sixpences , the monies of Oliver Foster .

ELIZA FOSTER . I am the wife of Oliver Foster, we keep the Goldsmith's-arms, in Goldsmith's-terrace, Hackney-road - we have a skittle-ground there - on the 12th of June, between six and seven o'clock, we had a great deal of company there; they moved, and we were fearful they were coming into the house - I did not see the prisoner, but he might be there - I told a young man to keep the people from going down stairs - but in the mean time four respectable persons came whom I wished to go down, and I went to speak to the young man to let them go down - I then heard the noise of silver at my till in the bar - I returned, and a person sprang from the till into the street I missed from 20s. to 30s. in silver.

LUKE HEMPY . I sell hearth-stones. I was standing at the public-house door, to get into the play-ground - I could see into the bar, I saw the prisoner pull the till open with his left hand; I don't know what he did with his right hand, but I saw him come out with his right hand full of silver, and run down the street; he turned the corner, and I saw no more of him; I am quite sure he is the same person.

Prisoner. Q. Where were you? A. Leaning against the wall - I could not see the till from there, but I saw you draw the till open with your left hand; I don't know which hand you put into the till.

WILLIAM COLLINS . I am the pot-boy. The prisoner was playing in the skittle-ground the whole of the fore part of the afternoon, he was asked to play again, but he said he could not, for he had no more money; he then went into the house - my mistress afterwards said she had been robbed, and the man had turned down East-street; I ran, and saw the prisoner in John-street - he then went into the Antelope; I followed him there, and took him - I had lost sight of him, but another witness beckoned to me, and told me he was there; I brought him back to my master.

THOMAS STANFAST . I am a twine-maker. I was placed at the foot of the stairs to give out tickets, and to keep all rif raf from going down stairs; there was a great crowd of people - Mrs. Foster came and told me to let four persons go down; I then heard her cry out that she was robbed - I ran round Goldsmith-row, and met the prisoner in possession of Collins.

HENRY CLEGG . I was leaning against the door of the public-house, and saw the prisoner pull the till open with his left hand, and he came out with his hand full of silver - I am sure he is the person.

Prisoner. Q. Were you in the house, or outside? A. At the door.

WILLIAM KING . I am a pot-boy. I was standing against the play-ground, and heard the cry of Stop thief - I saw the prisoner running with his left hand full of silver, he put it into his right hand - I followed him; when he got to the Antelope he stopped, and went in I told Collins - when I was at Worship-street, the prisoner offered me 2s. if I minded what I said, and he said he would give me 2s. if he got off.

CHARLES LLOYD (police-constable N 201). I took the prisoner, and found two half-crowns, four shillings and sixpence, and twopence farthing in copper on him.

Prisoner's Defence. On the 12th of June, I got up at four o'clock, and finished a coat which I was making, and I took it to Mr. Stevens in Princes-street; I was to have 12s. he gave me 2s. and told me he would give me the rest in the evening at the Antelope - I went to the prosecutor's, to see a man walk, and at seven o'clock I went to the Antelope, and got the other 10s. which was what I had when I was taken - the publican told the two boys what to say, and you see how exact they are in the money - Clegg said,

on the second examination, that it was on the Thursday.

HENRY CLEGG . I did say Thursday, but it was Wednesday.

GUILTY . Aged 19.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-100

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1128. THOMAS LOUGHREA was indicted for stealing, on the 15th of June , 4 gowns, value 20s. , the goods of James Drew .

THOMAS SAGE (police-constable N 104). On the Sunday morning stated, I fell in with the prisoner a quarter before three o'clock in Macclesfield-street, Islington, he was carrying these four gowns; I stopped him, and asked him some questions, which he would not answer, and I took him into custody; he was more than a quarter of a mile from Mr. Drew's - I have had the property ever since.

GEORGE CLARKSON . I am in the service of Mr. Drew, a pawnbroker , No. 1, Clark's-place, Islington . This is his property, it was taken about eleven o'clock on the Saturday night, from inside the counter, but we did not miss it till the officer told us of it; I had seen it safe at seven o'clock on Saturday evening, and at half-past ten o'clock the prisoner came into the box with a bunch of roses in his hand, he said he wanted to pawn them, as he was hard up; I said we did not take them, and he went away, and came in again in half an hour.

Prisoner's Defence. I bought them of a woman in the street - the indictment says four gowns, but I bought three gowns and a petticoat - if I had been a thief or a rogue, I would not have carried them across the street, and I would have taken the duplicates off them - I never was before Judge or Jury before; I have been nine years in his Majesty's service, in the 10th regiment of foot; I have four brothers laid in the East Indies, who were killed in the Berbice war - I am a native of Londonderry.

GUILTY . Aged 27.

4th July 1833
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1123. WILLIAM LANE was indicted for bigamy .

SARAH HEUDBOURCH . My husband is a weaver. I know Mary Matthews , she is my cousin - I know the prisoner, and knew him for a long time before he married Mary Matthews; I was present at the marriage, on the 8th of December, 1817, at Shoreditch-church - they had both lived in that parish, I was bride-maid; they were married by the clergyman of the parish; the clerk was there, and they were married in the usual way - the prisoner was a milk-man , and Mary Matthews had been a servant - they lived together as man and wife for fifteen years, till he was taken into custody; they had six children, three of them are living - Mary Matthews is alive, I saw her on Tuesday week.

WILLIAM HOLT (police-sergeant N 17). I have a certificate of the marriage of William Lane and Mary Matthews, at Shoreditch-church, on the 8th of December, 1817; I have seen the register, it is a true copy.

JOHN GEORGE LEIGH . I am deputy parish clerk of St. George's, Hanover-square . I have the register book of marriages in that parish - which states that on the 27th of May, 1833 , William Lane and Sarah Finmore were married by banns by James Glenn , curate, in presence of William Player and Elizabeth Whisk .

WILLIAM HOLT re-examined. I took the prisoner at Islington, in Middlesex, on the 20th of June, in the house with his first wife.

MARIA NORTH . I married the prisoner by the name of Sarah Tinmore; I had known him from September last, when he came to paint the house of Mr. Newberry, where I lived servant; he represented himself to me as a single man, I married him on the 27th of May; I believed him all along to be a single man - I did not leave my situation till I found he was a married man, which was a fortnight and two days after I had married him - I married him by the name of Tinmore, because I had kept company with a man of that name, and had two children by him; I stated this to the prisoner, and he wished me to marry in that name - the prisoner's master came to me, and told me he was married - I had not left my place - we had never slept together, but he had treated me as a wife - I am not in the family way - we were married by banns - he stated himself to be a bachelor.

ELIZABETH WHISK . I was present at the marriage of the prisoner and this witness.

Prisoner. I hope you will be merciful to me; I have a family to support, who are starving through my being here.

GUILTY . Aged 38.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-102
SentenceMiscellaneous > fine

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1124. JANE MELBURN was indicted for stealing, on the 13th of June , 2 sheets, value 5s.; 2 blankets, value 7s.; 1 looking-glass, value 3s.; 1 pillow, value 2s.; 1 table cloth, value 1s; and 2 blinds, value 1s. , the goods of Thomas Sharman .

MARY SHARMAN . I am the wife of Thomas Sharman - we live in St. Pancras - the prisoners took our second-floor front-room, furnished, on the 27th of May; she remained till the 24th of June - she paid 3s. 6d. a week - she was single, and represented herself as a respectable servant out of a situation , and she kept our place till she got one - she paid me every Monday morning till the last Monday, when I took her into custody, from having missed my window blinds from the windows - I got an officer, took a key and opened the door; I then missed the property stated - she gave up the duplicates, and it was all found at the pawnbroker's.

JAMES BROWN . I am a pawnbroker, and live in Gower-street. I took in these two sheets, two blankets, and other articles, to the best of my belief from the prisoner - these are the duplicates I gave.

FRANCIS HENRY PARKER . I am a pawnbroker. I have a glass which was pawned, I believe by the prisoner - I gave this duplicate for it.

Prisoner's Defence. I hope you will take my case into your consideration; I had left my service the day I took her lodging, and I advertised the next day for a situation, to go abroad, as I had been twelve months before in Portugal, and I have not had my health well since; I got an answer to go there with a family if I could wait five or six weeks, but they allowed me 4s. a week, which was not enough to live on, but I made up mind to wait, and I pawned these things to pay my rent - it was my full intention to get them out, as the family would have allowed me half a year's

wages, as I was to have gone there the next Monday.

GUILTY . Aged 22. Fined One Shilling and Discharged.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-103

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1125. PEGGY MORGAN was indicted for stealing, on the 19th of May , 1 hat, value 7 shillings ; the goods of Charles Nicholls .

CHARLES NICHOLLS . On the 19th of May I was waiter at No. 56, Old Bailey; I had been westward that day, spending the day with some friends, and had been drinking - I sat down at a step near Connaught-street - the prisoner came and said, "You are very warm, you had better take your hat off, and place it by your side;" I did so, and fell asleep - the policeman soon after awoke me - he had the prisoner in charge with my hat.

WILLIAM MASSON (police-constable F 152). On the night of the 19th of May, I was coming down from Tyburn-gate, and met the prisoner with something under her shawl - I asked her what she had got; she said, Nothing to me - I stopped her and said, I insisted upon seeing what she had got; she said, a hat - I asked where she got it; she said her brother gave it her, who lived at Bayswater, but she could not tell the name of the street nor the number - I asked her if her brother had been at home all day; she said, Yes - I took her to the station-house, and went about a quarter of a mile and saw the prosecutor asleep on a step without a hat - I asked him where his hat was; he said, he had lost it - I took him to the station-house, and he saw the hat and claimed it - it was about half-past twelve o'clock.

Prisoner's Defence. I found the hat; I kicked it before me and then took it up - I met the policeman, who took me to the station-house and brought this man - he asked me the next morning if I had any money; if I had he would tell me what to say.

GUILTY . Aged 30.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-104
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1126, WILLIAM OGDEN was indicted for stealing, on the 11th of June , 3lbs of candles, value 1s. 71/2d.; 9oz. weight of soap, value 51/2d.; 17 shillings, 1 sixpence, and 5 pence ; the property of John Appleton .

JOHN APPLETON. I am an oilman , and live at No. 29, Compton-street, St. Pancras . On the 11th of June a little boy brought a note to my shop; this is it (read).

"Mr. Appleton, - You will please to send me round directly by your boy, 2lbs of long-sixes, one ditto of rush candles, and half a ditto of white-curd soap, with a small bill and the remaining change for a sovereign; as my lad is out, and I am without candles.

Mrs. Lucas, 34, Kenton-street."

I put up the goods which came to 2s. 1d., and delivered them to my lad with 17s. 11d., to give change - the order came to my shop about a quarter before ten o'clock, and about eleven o'clock the prisoner was brought into my shop.

GEORGE PAUL ARMSTRONG . My master sent me with these goods to No. 34, Kenton-street, which runs out of Compton-street, Brunswick-square - when I got there I saw the prisoner standing against the corner of some railing; he said to me, "What a hell of a while you have been gone" - I said, "I hope you will excuse me as we have been very busy; I brought them as soon as possible" - he then said, "I believe I have got to give you a yellow-boy, have not I" - I said, "Yes you have" - I gave him the change, which was 17s. 11d.; he had taken the candles and other things before I gave him the change - he then gave me this medal and ran away - I called, Stop thief, and he was caught within two or three minutes - I am sure he is the same person.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. What time of night was this? A. About ten o'clock - I had not seen the prisoner till I met him in Kenton-street - he had his hat on when he gave me this yellow-boy; he then ran away.

DENNIS SHANNON (police-constable S 177). I was on duty and saw the prisoner running - I took him; he said"It is a lark" - I took him into an oil-shop, and he dropped from his hand or pocket, 17s. 11d. - Armstrong gave me this medal, which he said the prisoner gave him.

JOHN GRIFFITHS . I was going up Kenton-street about ten o'clock; I heard the cry of, Stop thief, and saw the prisoner running - I followed him, and when he got to the corner of Great Coram-street, he threw a parcel over a railing; I still followed him and cried, Stop thief - he turned into Wilmer-street, and was stopped - I heard the money drop in the shop, and the officer took it up; we then went to the prosecutor's - I then went and found the parcel over the railing, which contained the candles.

MR. DOANE to MR. APPLETON. Q. Is Mrs. Lucas a customer of yours? A. There is no such person - it was in consequence of receiving this paper that I sent the goods; I parted with them entirely in consequence of this note - people come into houses in these streets and leave them again very soon - I have inquired into the prisoner's character; it has been very good.

Mr. Hardy; John Ruckley; William Bird; James Anderson; and Mr. Johnson; deposed as to the prisoner's previous good character.

GUILTY. Aged 19. Recommended to Mercy by the Jury .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-105

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1127. SARAH SMITH was indicted for stealing, on the 13th of June , 1 shawl, value 10s. , the goods of Susannah Branch .

SUSANNAH BRANCH . I am single , and live with my mother in Red Lion-street, Spitalfields . My shawl was in the front room, on the first floor. On the 13th of June the prisoner went up between four and five o'clock to the lodger at the top of the house; she was a stranger to us - she passed the room where my shawl was - I was sitting in the lower room and saw her go up; I went up in half an hour and missed my shawl - it was found at the pawnbrokers.

THOMAS FENTON . I am a pawnbroker, and live at No. 5, Brown's-lane. I have a shawl pawned by the prisoner on the 13th of June.(Property produced and sworn to.)

George Glover , John Tay , Daniel Shorter , and George Binks , gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY . Aged 16.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-106

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1128. ROBERT BARRELL was indicted for stealing, on the 5th of June , 3lbs of candles, value 1s. 6d.; 1/2lb of soap, value 4d.; 18 shillings; and 1 penny, the property of Joshua Thompson ; and that he had been before convicted of felony .

JOSHUA THOMPSON. I am an oilman , and live at No. 32, Sussex-street, London University . On the 5th of June, Reding brought me this note, (read)."Mr. Thompson, you will please to send me directly by your boy, two lbs. of long sixes, one do. of rush candles, and 1/2lb. of white curd soap, with a small bill, and the ramaining change for a sovereign; as my lad is out, and I am without candles. Mrs. Nicholson, No. 40, Sussex-street." I put up the things, and sent them down by my lad, in five minutes afterwards - I gave him eighteen shillings and a penny, and he was to bring me back a sovereign; he came back and put into my hands this medal - he was not to part with the goods without bringing back a sovereign.

HENRY REDING . I am ten years old - I live with my parents at No. 6, Pancras-street; the prisoner gave me the note to take to Mr. Turner's - he gave me a penny to take it.

Cross-examined by MR. DOANE. Q. When did he give it you? A. On the 5th of June, at nine o'clock at night, in Sussex-street; I had never seen him before, but I am sure he is the man.

JAMES WHITNEY . I am errand-boy to Mr. Turner. On the 5th of June he sent me with the parcel to No. 40, Sussex-street, to Mrs. Nicholson; when I got there, I saw the prisoner standing just by the house; he said to me,"What a while you have been coming;" he said, "Give me the things;" he took them out of my hands and said, "I have got to give you a yellow-boy, have I not?" I said, yes; and he gave me the medal; I took it for a sovereign; he took the change out of my hand, and I took the medal to my master - I am sure the prisoner is the man.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you ever seen him before? No; I am sure he is the man - I saw him again when he was taken to the station-house two days afterwards; I am sure of his person - I have always said so; there is nothing particular about him.

SARAH BROWNE . I know No. 40, Sussex-street; there is no Mrs. Nicholson lives there now; there was a lady of that name lived there, but she is now on the Continent.

WILLIAM JONES . (police-constable E 64). I have a certificate which I got from Mr. Clark's office, it states that on the 3rd of January, in the third year of his present Majesty's reign, Robert Baron was tried and convicted; I was a witness - the prisoner is that person.

Prisoner's Defence. It appears that this circumstance was transacted on the 5th of June, at past nine o'clock at night; I was then finishing a tea-caddy which I sold to Mr. Graham in Holborn, the next morning - I serve several shops with them; I sold one of the Saturday afterwards in Seymour-street, the person wanted a basin for it - I went to get one, and met a young man, who told me a man like an officer had been looking for me; I went after dinner to see what was the matter - I went to Mr. Newbury to know; he was out, and his wife told me to call in the evening, at nine o'clock; I said, I would, but I could not - I called on Sunday morning, his wife said he was out; I then went to a person near the prosecutor's, and bought some wax to mend my little girl's shoes - I asked the person how work went on, she said, it was slack; she had got her biggest boy at home, but he had been at Mr. Thompson's, who had turned him off, because he was not big enough; I went again at nine o'clock on Monday morning, to see what they wanted me for, and the policeman crossed from Mr. Thompson's and took me into custody - I went without resistance, as I was confident I had done nothing; Mr. Thompson asked if I was not the man; the boy said he thought I was; but it appears that this boy, since I have been in custody, says he knew me when I was taken up, as the person who had been to his master beore, to pass bad money; and if he had, why did he not tell his master of it? - is it possible that, I should go within five or six doors of the prosecutor, if I had been guilty; my hand never wrote this note, nor had I anything to do with it - I do solemnly swear, before my God and all present, I am innocent as a child unborn - I hope I may be struck this moment dead if I am guilty of it.

JOHN HICK . I am a coach-maker, and worked at Mr. Hill's, No. 31, Charing-mews; I don't work there now - a girl called on me three weeks since, with a person of the name of Newbury, to know of me where Robert Baron was to be found; I said I could not tell his address, but if I should see him, I would communicate his order to him. Mr. Newbury called again, and pressed me to know his residence; but I did not know - on the Saturday, I met the prisoner as he has stated, I told him Mr. Newbury wanted him for something to his advantage, or to execute some work; he said he would call to know what it was for - I met Mr. Thompson's lad in Kentish-town since this business; I asked him how he could dare to swear to Robert Baron ; he said, "I knew him from last December when he was taken up before."

COURT. Q. What is the prisoner's name? A. Barrell; I did not call him Baron - I always called him Barrell; I know he was tried and convicted here - I don't know whether he was innocent or not - I did not give him a character at that time - I was not in court; I never called at Newgate but once, that was before his trial came on, as I felt hurt that I should sent a man, and not come in such a case as this.

Prisoner. When I had been three or four days in Clerkenwell, it appeared that the writing of the two notes corresponded; it is evident that the two handwritings are both alike - the paper are torn one from the other, and the blank half sheet was found in the boy's pocket.

GUILTY - Aged 30.

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-107

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1129. THOMAS HOBLEY was indicted for stealing, on the 15th of June , 1 lb of Indigo, value 5s., the goods of Robert Smith and another, his masters .

ROBERT SMITH . I live in Lower Thames-street, in the parish of Allhallows Barking; I have one partner - the prisoner was a labourer on our wharf at Galley-quay . On the 15th of June, I went to the west end of the wharf a little after four o'clock; I saw the prisoner endeavouring to conceal himself behind some chests of tea- there was a good deal of Indigo there - I said, "You are doing something wrong; we have had a great deal of depredation by some of our people, and you are the first I have detected" - I saw him concealing something with his left hand; I then saw a chest of indigo which had been opened, and which it ought not to have been - I then desired the prisoner to get up and go away, but I would not allow him to work there any longer; I followed him to the

centre of the wharf, and then desired him to halt that I might examine his person, and inside his waistcoat I found four pieces of indigo - I then said, "Now it is a fact that you have been plundering the indigo;" he said nothing - I sent for an officer and the indigo was taken from him in my presence, and given to the officer after I had marked it - this is it, it corresponds with that in the chest.

GEORGE HARRISON . I am in the prosecutor's service. I was present, when the prisoner was examined - I saw the indigo taken from him, and the officer took it in charge.

FRANCIS MAOLEAN . I am a City officer; the indigo was delivered to me by the prosecutor.

Prisoner's Defence (written). As I am now called on for my defence, let my fate he whatever it may, I am resolved to state the real truth. With respect to breaking or wrenching any place or chest, or anything else, open, as I now stand before God and man, I am perfectly innocent; but as I saw those two pieces of indigo lay upon the ground, I did not know that I was committing any offence by stooping to pick them up, for I was certain they were of no value to me; neither did I take them with any intention of making a property of them, for I thought they might do for my wife to use in washing. Under these circumstances I now throw myself on the mercy of the Court.

ROBERT SMITH re-examined. The prisoner had a large clasp knife by his side, with which the chest had evidently been opened - I had seen the chest safe on the wharf twenty-four hours before, but other persons could have got to the wharf - the prisoner was concealing himself when he saw me - he has worked on our wharf these five or six years, but I have had some suspicion of him of late.

GUILTY - Aged 35. Confined Three Months .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-108
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1130. ROBERT WOOLRIDGE was indicted for forging on the 1st of May , a request for the delivery of goods with intent to defraud Robert Graham , and another .

2nd COUNT. For uttering the same.

ROBERT GRAHAM . I live in the Regent's-park, but my house of business is in Trigg-lane, Upper Thames-street. On the 1st of May the prisoner came there with this order. (read).

Messrs. Graham and Son, May 1, 1833.

Please to send, by bearer, a 3 feet 6 inch, or 3 feet 9 inch, back boiler range. For William Howard and Co.

115. Old-street. H. QUINSEY.

Prisoner. Q. What do you swear to me by? A. By the observation I made of you at the time.

COURT. Q. How long was he with you? A. He might be waiting ten minutes or more, and I observed him particularly; I have no doubt he is the person - I am in partnership with William Graham .

WILLIAM LAWRENCE , I live with the prosecutor. I know Robert Howard and Co.; we have had correspondence with them some years in trade - I know Mr. Quincey - the prisoner brought this order; I cannot tell whose writing it is, but I delivered the range to the prisoner - I have no doubt of him.

Prisoner. Q. What do you know me by? A. By seeing you with the range on your person; your dress was a jacket, a darkish apron, and I don't know whether it was fustian trousers or not, but you are the man.

GEORGE BLACK . I live with Messrs. Howard and Co. Old-street; it is Howard and Quincey, under the firm of Robert Howard and Co. I know their writing perfectly well - this order is neither of their writing, nor of any person about their house - the prisoner was once in our employ; I have seen him write frequently; I believe this to be his writing.

Prisoner. Q. Why do you think it is my writing? A. Because I have seen you write more than a hundred times - I should certainly say it is your writing; it is your writing to the best of my belief.

JOHN HARCOURT QUINCEY . This is not my writing nor any of our house, I believe it to be the prisoner's - I am brother to the Mr. Quincey who is one of the firm - I sign all the orders.

Prisoner. Q. Did you ever see me write? A. I don't know that I have, but I have seen some of your writing.

HENRY BERESFORD (police-sergeant 8 G). I took the prisoner on the 25th of May - I told him it was for obtaining goods under false pretences; he said, "Very well, I will go with you."

STEPHEN PLANT (Police-constable G 138). I took the prisoner from his house; as we were going he said, "I hope you will not hang me, I wish to be transported; I know I committed the forgery; I am sorry for my wife and two children" - I told him I did not know anything at all about the forgeries - as I was taking him to the Mansion-house, he told me he committed the forgery for the range and other articles, and he wished to be transported.

The prisoner put in a written Defence, pleading great poverty.

GUILTY of uttering. Recommended to Mercy by the Jury, on account of his family . Confined Two Years .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-109

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1131. HENRY GORDON was indicted for stealing, on the 29th of June , 13 yards of silk, value 2l.; 16 yards of linen, value 2l.; 1 coat, value 2l.; 4 yards of diaper, value 5s.; 1 waistcoat, value 5s.; 1 pair of trousers, value 5s.; 1 stock, value 1s.; and 1 coverlid, value 1s. 6d., the goods of John Joseph Mechi , in his dwelling-house .

JOHN JOSEPH MECHI . I live at No. 4, Leadenhall-street . I was not at home when this occurence took place, but I know the property - to the best of my knowledge this silk was purchased by my wife previous to our going into the country, it is worth 2l.; this coat is mine, and is worth 2l., it was worn by my nephew; this diaper I believe was bought at the same time with the silk; I can swear to these trousers.

HANNAH GRIDLEY . I live servant with Mr. Mechi. On Saturday the 29th of June, I went out on an errand at half-past eleven o'clock in the morning; I returned and unlocked the kitchen door; I heard somebody up stairs; I went up and saw the prisoner come out of the bed-room; I asked what he wanted, he said, Captain Thacker. I said it was down lower, on the second floor; I saw a bundle in his arm, and I said he had a bundle, he said he had not - I came down and opened Captain Thacker's door, and called out to them to stop him; the prisoner left the bundle on the staircase; and ran away - he had carried the bundle from the cupboard in the bed-room to the staircase - I picked it up and gave it to the porter just in the same state that I had seen it in the prisoners hands - these

things had all been in the drawer in the room - I know them to be Mr. Mechi's.

Prisoner. Q. Do you mean to say I had the bundle? A. Yes, I can swear to you.

GEORGE GARDNER . I am porter there. I heard a noise, and a cry of stop thief; I saw the prisoner come out of the door running - I pursued him immediately into Leadenhall-market, he outran me, and ran into a shed in a new building in the market; I ran up the stairs, and as he came down I seized him immediately.

Prisoner. Q. Did you see me come out of the door? A. Yes, I was on the pavement within a few paces of Mr. Mechi's door at the time.

COURT. Q. What did you say, when you seized him? A. I said "You are the thief," he hesitated, and said "I am not."

Prisoner. I was not in the house at all; there was a woman sitting at the door, who said she thought I was not the man.

HANNAH GRIDLEY . There was a woman went to the watch-house, but I did not hear her say anything about whether he was the man; I am sure he is the man.

Prisoner's Defence. I was not in the house - I was in Leadenhall-market, and was going from Holborn to Mile-end.

GUILTY . Aged 25. - Transported for Life .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-110
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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1132. JOHN GREY , was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of William West , on the 14th of June , at St. Edmund the King and Martyr, and stealing therein 1 spoon, value 1s. 6d.; the goods of Joseph White .

MARY WHITE . I am the wife of Joseph White , we lodge at No. 27, Lombard-street . On Friday the 14th of June, I was going out on an errand; I locked the door, and took the key in my hand, it was about half-past eleven o'clock- I did not go out; I sat down below, and when I returned up, I saw the prisoner in my room; he came out, and I stopped him, and told him he had been robbing me; he said, "There is no harm done my good lady;" he ran down, and I ran after him, and cried, stop thief, till he was taken by a policeman, who is here - I saw one of my drawers had had its contents turned out upon the bed, and another drawer wide open, as far as it would balance; I missed one spoon when I returned to the room, it is worth about 1s. 6d.; I had seen it safe the same morning; this is it; it is my husband's.

Prisoner. She collared me, and took me into the room, and when she found the things were wrong in the room, she called out - I was knocking at the door when she came up. Witness. No, sir, he was in the room coming out - I suppose, he was three yards inside the room; I did not see him doing anything; I did collar him.

COURT. Q. How had the door been opened? A. By a picklock key I suppose - we found four keys when we went back into the room where the prisoner had been searched.

Prisoner. Q. What time did you find them? A. Directly I returned from the Lord Mayor; within an hour.

WILLIAM WEST . I keep a soda-water manufactory in Lombard-street. The prosecutor lodges in my house; I assisted in bringing the prisoner into my shop; he was brought into a room behind the shop, and then taken into a lighter place to be searched; this spoon and key were found there after he had been searched, and my daughter afterwards found these other keys there.

Prisoner. When I was searched, the room was even with the street, and it was full of people. Witness. No, it was not.

THOMAS TROTT . I merely detained the prisoner in the room adjoining the shop; while the officer went up stairs to see what had been done; my chief attention was to prevent any other person from coming in; I saw the prisoner put his hand to his waistcoat pocket, I said, "What have you here;" I found nothing in his hand but a pen knife- I can be positive that no one came into that room.

Prisoner. There might be twenty people in the room after I left it.

JOHN ROGERS (City police-constable No. 47). I was called in, I went up stairs and then into their back room; I found this screw driver on the prisoner's person; I was there about five minutes; I then took him to the Mansion-house - Mr. West found the spoon after I was gone - I don't know who had been in the room.

MR. WEST re-examined. Q. How long had Trott and Rogers left your room before the spoon was found? A. About an hour and a half - I do not believe any person had been in but my own family.

COURT to MARY WHITE . Q. Was your door locked when you went down? Q. Yes, and I found it open - it is my father's dwelling-house, Williams West, and is in the parish of St. Edmund, the King and the Martyr - I am the wife of Joseph White , there is only one door to the staircase, but two to the house; the lower street door stands open for the accommodation of lodgers; the first floor is let out in offices - I take my apartment by the month.

Prisoner's Defence. As to the prosecutrix stating that she saw me in the room, she certainly dragged me into the room - I was never in till she took me in; I was tapping at the door, she said, "What do you want," she took me into the room and sung out ten thousand murders!

GUILTY.* Aged 41. - Of stealing only .

Transported for Seven Years .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-111
VerdictNot Guilty

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1133. MOSES HARRIS was indicted for stealing, on the 1st of June , 1 handkerchief, value 3s., the goods of John Broadway , from his person.

JOHN BROADWAY . I live at Walworth-common. On the 1st of June I was in Thames-street , about six o'clock, nearly opposite Billingsgate; I felt something at my pocket, I put my hand down, my handkerchief was then safe; I kept my hand on my pocket till I came near St. Magnus church, I then took my hand off and felt my handkerchief taken - I turned and saw the prisoner and another lad, and the prisoner was putting my handkerchief into his jacket pocket - I said, "You young rascal, you have stolen my handkerchief;" he threw it under a cart, and ran off - I saw him stopped.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. You had felt something before the handkerchief left your pocket? A. Yes; I do not know who were the persons about me - I kept my hand on my pocket from that time till I got to a

wider part, I then took off my hand, and immediately felt my handkerchief drawn from my pocket; I turned and saw the prisoner ten yards from me, and another boy - the prisoner was farthest from me, and he was shoving my handkerchief into his jacket pocket - the other boy was bigger than the prisoner; the other boy escaped - I saw no one nearer to me than the prisoner, and the other boy at the back of me - I don't know who might be in front of me; I cannot tell whether the prisoner and the other boy were in company, but I think they were; they were close together - the prisoner ran off towards the steam packet wharf; I saw him throw down my handkerchief, and I took it up and pursued him, and gave it to the officer - the prisoner was not out of my sight.

JAMES STOPFORTH . I am an officer. The prisoner was brought to me with this handkerchief.(Property produced and sworn to.)


4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-112

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1134. JOHN EVERETT was indicted for stealing, on the 5th of June , 1 handkerchief, value 3s., the goods of Henry Harris , from his person .

HENRY HARRIS . I live at No. 3, Finsbury-street. On the 5th of June I was in Moorfields , about nine o'clock in the evening - I heard some one walking after me very fast, I turned and found the prisoner closer to me than persons in general walk; I thought he wanted my handkerchief, but I felt and my handkerchief was safe - I then quickened my pace, and the prisoner quickened his; I turned White-street to go home and at that time I felt my pocket and my handkerchief was gone - the prisoner passed me and went straight on; I pursued him, and cried, Stop thief; he dropped my handkerchief, and ran on very fast; some youths endeavoured to waylay him, and his hat came off, which I picked up - he was stopped, and I came up to him, he had no hat on then - I did not say any thing, but the persons about the prisoner charged him with having taken my handkerchief; he said he was not the man, he was pursuing the thief - this is my handkerchief.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Who knocked the prisoner down and broke his head? A. I did not see it done; I had lost sight of the prisoner - there was a lad at the station-house, but I did not see him produce any handkerchief; he did not produce this of mine, for I had picked this up - I think the lad gave his evidence; I really forget his name; I know where he resides, but I have not brought him here; I thought my own evidence was sufficient - the policeman saw nothing of the transaction; when I first suspected some person intended to rob me, the prisoner was behind me - there was one other person behind me, but lower down, but that was not the lad who brought this other handkerchief; I was at that time opposite Mr. Bennet's, the coach-maker's, in Moorfields - I missed the handkerchief just at the corner of White-street, which I think was half a minute after I found it safe; the prisoner was then about five yards before me, he was stopped at the corner of Moor-lane - I am certain I saw the prisoner throw my handkerchief down.

WILLIAM BRILL (police-constable G 72). I took the prisoner, and have the handkerchief which the prosecutor gave me - here is a handkerchief which a lad came up and gave me when I had the prisoner in custody; he said,"Here is a handkerchief which I saw him throw away - I picked it up."

Cross-examined. Q. Why did you not allow the lad to be examined? A. I did not hinder it; he went to the station-house; his name was taken down at the time, but I don't know what it was; I don't know that I heard it - I know the street that the lad lives in - I did not break the prisoner's head; I did not knock him down; if he broke his head at all it must have been in his falling down - when I went to catch him, he went against the wall, and then he fell down and I fell at the same time - I can solemnly swear I did not take out my staff at all till after the prisoner was in custody; and I never struck him with it - I took the lad to the Mansion-house; I did not tell him not to go before the Grand Jury; I said he might please himself.

Prisoner's Defence. I was proceeding from my work in the Minories; I was going up Ropemaker-street; there was a cry of Stop thief - the police-officer came up and knocked me down; I said it was not me, but they would not let me go; a lad came up and said he had seen me throw away a handkerchief; I was then taken.

Ann Devy , No. 2, Church-row, and - Cottrell, of Redlion-market, gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY . Aged 19.* - Transported for Seven Years .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-113
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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OLD COURT. Monday, July 8th.

Second London Jury, before Mr. Justice James Parke.

1137. EDWARD HART was indicted for stealing, on the 31st of May , 1 £5 bank note, the money of the Honourable William Fowry Law , in the dwelling-house of Robert Thomas , against the statute, &c.

Five other counts, varying the manner of stating the charge.

MESSRS. ADOLPHUS, SHEPHERD, and SCARLETT conducted the prosecution,

THOMAS RIDLEY . I am clerk to Messrs Gosling and others. William Gosling is the senior partner; I wrote this letter on the 31st of May, and inclosed in it ten £5 notes - I sealed it with a seal which had the impression"G. L. S." on it; I laid it on the table with other letters for the post-office - this seal is not the seal I put on it.

WILLIAM EWINGS . I am clerk in the same house. On the 31st of May, I delivered ten £5 notes to the last witness, Nos. 19577 to 19586, dated 24th, 1833 - I put them on my desk under a lead, till Mr. Ridley took them away - I did not see him take them; this is one of the notes, (No. 19585.)

MR. RIDLEY. I took the notes from under the lead.

JOHN BOWE . I am clerk at Messrs. Gosling and Co. I took the letters to the receiving-house on the 31st of May, this is one of them - I well remember the direction - I took them to Mr. Thomas's receiving-house in Fleet-street, before five o'clock; I put them in in the same state as I took them from the banking-house.

WILLIAM BOKENHAM . I am a clerk in the General Post-office. If a letter is put into the receiving-house, on any day, it should have the mark of the day it is put in - this letter has the mark of the 1st of June.

HENRY MATTHEWS . I am a clerk in the post-office. I made up the mail-bag for Cambridge, on the 1st of June - I have no doubt that this was one of the letters that was forwarded.

WILLIAM NEALE . I am porter at St. Peterhouse College, Cambridge. On the 2nd of June, I received a letter directed to the Honourable Mr. Law - I delivered to Mrs. Benstead, as I received it - it was a o ndon letter, and charged 2s.

MARY BENSTEAD . I received the letter from the last witness, on Sunday, the 2nd of June, I called my son and he took it to Mr. Law.

PHILIP BUCK BENSTEAD . I am son of the last witness. I delivered the letter on the 2nd of June, to the Honourable Mr. Fowry Law.

HONOURABLE WILLIAM FOWRY LAW . I am a fellowcommoner of St. Peterhouse College, Cambridge . On Saturday, the 1st of June, I expected a remittance from my banker's, but it did not come that day, but on Sunday,(the next day,) I received this letter; it had nine £5 notes in it, and contained advice of the receipt of ten - there were No. 19577 to 19586, with 19585 missing - the seal was remarkable, it struck me there was something wrong.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. I believe the seal was so much unlike one used by people in business that it excited your attention directly? A. Yes, it appeared to me as if a penny and a thumb had been pressed against it - the person who took the one note, might have taken the whole, certainly.

THOMAS SAUNDERS SUTTON . I keep the White Hart public-house, at Mitcham. I know Mr. Hart, he keeps the King's Head; the prisoner is his son - Henry Garwood came to my house on Sunday, the 2nd of June, about eleven o'clock in the forenoon, for change for a £5 note - I did not ask him any questions; this is the note - here is the name "Hart" on it, which I wrote at the time; I gave 5 sovereigns in gold for it.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you know the prisoner? A. Yes, for nine years - up to this time he had a good character; his father and friends are respectable - it was his custom to come to his father on Sundays.

ROBERT THOMAS . I am a stationer, and live at No. 203, Fleet-street . I kept a receiving-house for general post letters, up to the 19th of June - I am the housekeeper - the house is in the parish of St. Dunstan in the West; the prisoner was my apprentice, he assisted in doing the business of the post-office; he had a key to the box of the letters which were brought in - if a letter was brought there before five o'clock, on the 31st of May, it would go the same night - the prisoner lodged in my house; he was in the habit of going to Mitcham, every Sunday, to see his father - he went there, on Sunday, the 2nd of June; some time after that I was sent for to the post-office - the prisoner was examined at Bow-street, and after that I had some conversation with him; I did not use any threat or promises to him - in the first place, he was asked what he did with the money - I believe it was by myself - he told me that three of the sovereigns were concealed at the end of the shop, on the top of some French books - he did not say how he came by the note - I asked him what he did with the rest of the money; he said he bought a brooch and gave a sovereign for it, and bought some trifling articles with the remainder of the money- I asked him how he became possessed of the letter - he told me he had concealed it about his person, and took it up to his bed-room at night; he then extracted the £5 note, and re-sealed the letter - I found the three sovereigns in my shop in the place he told me; this wax is similar to the common post-office wax.

Cross-examined. Q. I suppose you mean to seal the bags? A. Yes; this letter is very clumsily sealed - it does not look like any intention to deceive; the prisoner is a very respectable lad, he had been with me nearly three years - I had a premium of 150l. with him - he had conducted himself to my satisfaction in every respect - I sleep in that house.

JOHN LAWSON . I am a bank clerk. There is no other £5 note of the same number and date as this.

The letter stating that £50 in £5 notes was enclosed, signed Gosling and Sharp, was here read. It was addressed "To the Honourable William Fowry Law, St. Peterhouse College, Cambridge."

James Dempster and Edwin Tipple gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY. Aged 17 - Transported for Life .

Recommended to mercy on account of his character .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-114
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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1135. JOSHUA BUTTERWORTH was indicted for stealing, on the 1st of June , 9 rings, value 5l.; 7 brooches, value 7l.; 1 watch-key, value 10s.; 2 muffineers, value 1l.; 1 mustard-pot, value 1l.; 1 saucepan, value 30s.; 1 papboat, value 7s.; 1 bottle-lable, value 12s.; 1 snuff-box, value 15s.; 1 scent-box, value 5s.; 1 watch, value 3l.; 2 pair of snuffers, value 10s.; 2 snuffer-trays, value 2l.; 1 knife, value 7s.; 1 fork, value 7s.; 1 spoon, value 7s.; 1 knife-case, value 1s.; 2 pencil cases, value 10s.; 1 operaglass, value 5s.; 1 smelling bottle, value 10s.; 4 pair of ear-rings, value 6l. 10s.; 1 seal handle, value 5s.; 1 pair of bracelets, value 1l.; and 1 seal, value 1l., of Francis Jones, his master - also, on the 31st of May, 28 watches, value 250l.; 6 spoons, value 3l.; 2 snuff-boxes, value 2l.; and 6 forks, value 3l.; of Francis Jones, his master - also, on the 3rd of June, 1 mug, value 3l.; 1 neck chain, value 7l.; and 14 rings, value 5l. 10s.; of Francis Jones , his master . To which indictments he pleaded

GUILTY. Aged 50.

Recommended to Mercy by the Prosecutor .

John Mills , of London-wall, carrier; Edward Walker , Red Lion-street, Clerkenwell; Francis Larand , Aylesbury-street, boot-maker; John Marsh , of Clerkenwell-green, watch-case maker; Thomas Shelly , Clerkenwell-green, baker; Thomas Jordan , Newcastle-street, Clerkenwell, jeweller; David Jacah , Red Lion-street; and William Benson , Great Queen-street, deposed to the prisoner's previous good character.

Confined One Year .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-115
VerdictsNot Guilty

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First London Jury, before Mr. Recorder.

1136. BENJAMIN BAYLY was indicted for stealing. on the 25th of May , 12 handkerchiefs, value 7s.; 1 box, value 1d.; and 1 shawl, value 15s., of William Morley and another, his masters ; and MARY KENT , now the wife of the said Benjamin Bayly , was indicted for feloniously receiving the same, well knowing them to have been stolen , against the statute, &c.

MESSRS. PHILLIPS and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

MR. WILLIAM MORLEY . I am a warehouseman , my business is carried on in Gutter-lane, Cheapside ; I have one partner - the male prisoner was in my service eight or ten weeks, and left on the 31st of May - we employ altogether about twenty persons; our premises are large, and our stock extensive - the male prisoner was an under warehouseman, and for the protection of the property he slept in a room communicating with the warehouse, from which property was afterwards missed - it was his duty to be up with two others early in the morning, but the other two would be in the lower warehouse - he would be alone in the upper warehouse, where we had a large quantity of French cambries, and Irish handkerchiefs - we had a shawl in the adjoining room; we ascertained on the 19th of June, that we had sustained a loss, and among the articles were twelve handkerchiefs and a shawl, as I was informed - I immediately sent for an officer, and had the boxes of all my servants searched and found nothing - a servant girl had recently left our employ as well as the prisoner; we found the servant girl out, but found nothing with her - our attention was then directed to the prisoner; we got Clements, Godfrey, and Avis, the officers; we found the prisoner was living in South-street, West-square, over the water - I cannot identify the goods myself.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was the prisoner servant to the firm? A. Yes; about the middle of May a piece of linen was missing - I knew of the missing of these articles myself.

MR. BODKIN. Q. When did the prisoner leave your service? A. On the 31st of May - he had no opportunity of taking any thing after that.

HARRIET SHEPHERD . I am married. I have come from prison - I was servant to the female prisoner for six weeks; the male prisoner was in the habit of visiting her morning and evening - he did not lodge in the house; the female prisoner went by the name of Lee - I used to go to Mr. Morley's in Gutter-lane for a trunk or box; the female prisoner used to send me to Gutter-lane, and I used to get a small box there; one of the female servants used to give it to me - I have seen Bayly there; he never gave me the box; she used to send me for Mr. Bayly's dirty linen, and I used to get the box according to her direction - it was locked but there was no key delivered to me; I brought it to Mrs. Lee without a key in the same state - I used to take the box back again with the clean linen in it, as Mrs. Lee used to tell me; the key was always tied on the handle of the box when I used to take it to Mr. Morley's, but never when I brought it from there - nobody that I know of could open the box till Bayly came home with the key; I remember going with the female prisoner in May, to Dicker and Barnett's, pawnbrokers, Charlotte-place, Lambeth - I had been in the habit of going to different pawnbrokers with her; I used to pawn things for her - she accompanied me to Charlotte-place; I took a shawl, or else it was a piece of Cambric, I am not certain which, I did not take both, only one - I am not certain which, I pawned one, I am the person that pawned for her on that day there - if it was a shawl, I got 10s.; if it was a piece of cambric it was £1, but I am not certain which - I got £1, that was what I offered it for - Mrs. Lee was outside the door; she told me to ask for £1, and I got £1 - I did not go out and tell her what they offered - I gave the £1 to Mrs. Lee; I remember taking this box - (produced) - I pawned that there and its contents; I got 14s. for that and the shawl together - I do not remember what day it was, I got a duplicate - it was in May; I pawned them in the name of Lee by the prisoner's direction; I gave her true address - Mary Kent was her mother's name; I never knew her go by that name - I gave her the 14s.; she said she did not like to go in with them herself, because a lady of her respectability, she did not like it should be known that she pledged.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Has anybody given you any money since you have been in gaol? A. No, I have not received any money from anybody, only from Mr. Morley; he gave me a sovereign when I first went in - Mrs. Lee told me to give her right name and address.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Had you any thing in the world to subsist on at the time the magistrate sent you to gaol? A. No; Mr. Morley gave me a pound - I thought the gentleman meant, did Mr. Bayly give me any money - Mr. Morley gave me the pound to support me.

COURT. Q. Where was your husband? A. At home; his name is Charles Shepherd ; I have been married twelve months; I received the shawl or cambric and box in South-street, at the female prisoner's house.

THOMAS CLEMENTS . I am an officer of Marlborough-street; I was called in, on the 21st of June, to the prosecutor's premises with other officers, and in consequence of information, I went to a house in South-street, West-square, and proceeded to search the front parlour, where I found the male prisoner, and understood he lived there. I had a search warrant directed to him at that house; I explained to him what I had come for; he said, he had none of Mr. Morley's property; I searched the room he was in, and in a trunk of which he had the key, I found some articles not the subject of this indictment; he gave me the key of that trunk, and I opened it; I asked how he accounted for the things in the box; he said, "My landlady bought them;" I asked, who she was; he said, "Mrs. Lee," and she was in the back parlour; I proceeded to the back room, and saw the female prisoner; I asked her if her name was Lee; she said, it was not Lee, but that she was the person I wanted; I said, "What is your name;" Bayly was not present, the door was open, he might have heard, it is not impossible, but not very probable I think, as I left Goddard with him, I did not hear them talking; it was in the adjoining room at some distance, the passage being between the two rooms; I think I spoke loud enough for them to hear it; the female prisoner did not speak loud enough for them to hear.

HENRY GODDARD . I remained with Bayly in the front parlour while the witness went into the back parlour; the door was shut, and I did not hear what passed.

THOMAS CLEMENTS re-examined. I took the male prisoner in custody, and on the way to the station-house, I told him the robbery at Mr. Morley's was very extensive, and the only reparation he could make, was to tell where

the other part of the property was; I said nothing more to him.

COURT. Q. Did you not make that observation to induce him to tell you what he knew, under the expectation that it would be better for him if he did? A. No, my object was to recover some of the property; he said,"I only took twelve pieces of cambric;" nothing else passed that day; on the following morning; I told him I had learnt, that a small deal box full of cambric was taken away altogether; I said, "There is a small deal box taken out from the warehouse; taken out from the other boxes, one of four; - and I know you have pledged the cambric, but what have you done with the box? - I did not see it in your house;" he said "It was cut up, and burnt in the kitchen fire."

Cross-examined. Q. When you went into the back room to the female, did you deliver to her any message from the male prisoner? A. No, I did not.

WILLIAM DICKER . I am a pawnbroker, and live at Lambeth-marsh, Charlotte-place; I did not take these goods in pawn; my young man did; he is not here; I was not in the shop when they were pledged; I took in three pieces of Scotch cambric handkerchiefs; I did not take them in; I only received a piece of cambric from Shepherd; she did not pledge this box of goods with me.

HARRIET SHEPHERD re-examined. Q. Did you see that gentleman when you pawned that box of cambric? A. Yes, he was in the shop; I am certain it was at his shop I pawned them.

Cross-examined. Q. I think you have already said you were in the habit of pawning very often? A. Yes; I have no recollection of the day on which I pawned the box; I pawned at different pawnbrokers, besides Dicker, by Mrs. Lee's desire.

SAMUEL POWELL BEETON . I am in the employ of Morley and Co. I know this box, it has an altered mark, by which I know it as Messrs. Morley's property; I have no means of positively swearing to the handkerchiefs; they are new handkerchiefs, and have never been washed; the prosecutors had handkerchiefs in their stock last May, of that pattern; the shawl I cannot positively identify; there is no mark, only that my employer had shawls of this kind, but we have not taken stock.

COURT. Q. If this had been yours, is there anything to show when they have been missed? A. Yes, they have been missed between April and June; I can swear positively to the box and the handkerchiefs fit it, and agree in every respect with the price on the box.

Q. Are your handkerchiefs packed in this sort of box? A. Yes, there is originally, two marks on the box; I was at the prisoner's lodging at one time when they were searching; I think it was on the 26th of June; I found in taking the fancy shavings out of the fire place, four tickets, they do not relate to this charge.

Cross-examined. Q. You have said, you have not taken stock between April and June? A. No, not of these goods; I have not missed this handkerchief, nor the twelve cambric ones; I cannot say the handkerchiefs are the property of my employers; but I believe they are; we are in the habit of selling such things; I cannot swear the shawl was not sold; if the handkerchiefs had been my masters I cannot positively say they have not been sold; they are usually sold with the box; we have sold some scores of boxes marked in that way; I suppose other warehousemen sell handkerchiefs in the same sort of boxes.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Where were these kept? A. In the Scotch warehouse which the prisoner had access to; it was in the floor below his bed room; he could get to it from his bed room.

COURT. Q. Are they such articles which a man, in the condition of the male prisoner, would purchase for his own use? A. He would not; they are for women's pocket handkerchiefs; we sell them at 7s. 6d. a dozen.

JURY. Q. Have you not many boxes with the same mark as that, which you have sold? A. Yes, we have some of this mark, and others of a different mark; all those at 7s. 6d. a box, are marked in the same way; we have about twenty men; if the shopmen wanted any goods we were at liberty to have them, by entering them in the book; if I had bought goods of my employers, I should either enter them as ready money, and pay the money, or enter them in my own name, - the young men buy articles at times.

HANNAH HUGHES . I was present at the marriage of the prisoners on the 11th of June; Lee was married by the name of Mary Kent to the prisoner.

HARRIET SHEPHERD . Q. Did you not state before, you were not certain whether you pawned the things in the box in May, or June? A. Yes; I cannot tell - I am almost sure it was May - it might be in June.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Do you know when the prisoners were married? A. Yes; it was before the marriage; before the day I pawned the box and contents I had not received from the female prisoner any goods of that kind; I received pieces of French cambrics from her more than once - I had a great many from her.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. As far as you believe, Mrs. Bayly came by them honestly, or you would not have had anything to do with them? A. No; she told me her first husband kept a linen-draper's shop.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Can you tell about how many pieces of cambric you received from her, or saw in her possession before the day you pawned the box? A. I am not sure; I cannot say - I should suppose eight or nine pieces, worth £1 each piece - they were new; I pawned them for £1 each; I never saw above one of these pieces or so, in her possession at a time, when she gave them to me to pawn; I have also seen crape shawls in her possession - I think I pawned about six; I remember being in a cab with Mrs. Lee, before the box was pawned; there were some pieces of French cambrics in the cab - six or seven; they were taken to pawnbrokers in Shoreditch or Whitechapel, to different pawnbrokers - I was the person who generally went into the shop to pawn them; she told me, it being such a distance off, that I was to tell the pawnbroker it came from the street opposite - I was to say the name of the street opposite; that they came from that street; we had come from South-street in the cab - Mrs. Bayly lived in South-street at that time; I was in the habit of seeing Mr. Bayly there at that time - he did not sleep there; I have, since this has been inquired about, been round to the different pawnbrokers with Mr. Morley, and the officer, and showed him the places; I took one or two light shawls,

besides the cambric, to Whitechapel - they were not pawned with the cambric, but on the same day; I did not take more than one piece to each pawnbroker - I went to six pawnbroker's with the cambric, and to two pawnbroker's with the shawls - the whole eight pawnbroker's were in the neighbourhood of Shoreditch and Whitechapel; the shawls were new - on the 27th of May, I took a piece of cambric to St. George's-circus, and pawned it for £1; I went to Collins's in Shoreditch - Mrs. Bayly told me that her husband kept a linen-draper's shop - that this was the remainder of her stock, and she wished to dispose of it; I did not leave her service before she married the other prisoner.

COURT. Q. When you say, she said she was desirous of disposing of it, you mean the large stock; she did not say that respecting the box of handkerchiefs? A. No.

WILLIAM STAGG . (looking at sixty French cambric handkerchiefs). I am shopman to Messrs. Morley's - I can identify some of these as belonging to the prosecutor; I have my own mark on them, they have never been sold; I keep an account of every thing sold.

MR. NEED. I have two pieces of French cambric pawned at my house; one piece on the 1st of June, and one on the 28th of May; the piece on the 1st of June was pawned in my presence; and I believe it was by Shepherd- the one on the 28th of May, was not pawned in my presence; it was pawned in the name of Mary Lee , and the piece on the 1st of June, in the name of Mary Shepherd, for Lee.

WILLIAM STAGG re-examined. This I know by a number on it, and know it has never been sold; it belongs to Mr. Morley; the other piece is not numbered, but is the same make, and I have no doubt out of the same box - I believe they had not been sold, but cannot speak positively to it.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Point out the mark on the piece you know? A. Here it is; it enables me to say it has never been sold; because there never was any sold out of the box, corresponding with this mark - you will find No. 2296 on it; that is not the number of the box - the box is No. 3; all the pieces in the box were different numbers - I believe No. 2296 was missing from that box; I looked to see, and did not find it in the box - It is difficult to say whether this is No. 2290, or No. 2296 - it is either No. 2290, or No. 2296; I will swear it is not No. 2299 - perhaps I did not look carefully enough before; No. 2290, and No. 2296 are both missing - I know they have not been sold, because I had the invoice in my own pocket, and nobody else knew the price of them, and could not have sold them; they came in three or four months ago, and not a piece in that box was sold - nineteen pieces were missing out of the box, corresponding with that number - I have not got the numbers of the nineteen pieces - I can say this is one of them, because it corresponds with those left - because the figures are the same hand-writing, and each piece of cambric is numbered; I cannot swear that the manufacturer might not have numbered two pieces alike - I don't think it probable; to the best of my belief, this number is No. 2290, and not No. 2299.

MR. BODKIN. Q. About three months and a half ago, the cambrics came into your stock? A. They did; the box contained twenty-five pieces, according to the invoice; I took off the lid and saw the box was full - the pieces are numbered consecutively - I have two more pieces from the box here.

COURT. Q. Are the nineteen pieces missing, numbered beyond No. 2296? A. Some above, and some below; these things were under my particular management - I know the pieces the pawnbroker has produced, had never been sold.

- BECK. I am a pawnbroker; I have a piece of cambric pawned on the 1st of June; I live at No. 94, Blackfriars-road; I took it in pawn from a young woman giving the name of Lee - I could not swear to her; it was not the female prisoner; I have seen the female witness; it was a person of her description, but I cannot swear to her positively - I don't remember her; this is the duplicate I gave for it.

HARRIET SHEPHERD . I pawned a piece of cambric at Mr. Beck's shop; I cannot say this is it - I received it from Mrs. Lee.

WILLIAM STAGG . I cannot swear to that piece distinctly, but it is the same make and the same texture, and I have no doubt out of the same box as the nineteen pieces missing.


4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-116
VerdictGuilty; Guilty

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NEW COURT. Monday, July 8, 1833.

Fifth Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Sergeant Arabin.

1138. JAMES WARREN and EDWARD RAINSFORD were indicted for stealing, on the 29th of June , 4lbs weight of tobacco, value 14s. , the goods of John Rogers .

MR. CLARKSON conducted the prosecution.

GEORGE ROGERS . I live at No. 39, Oxford-street , with my father; his name is John; he is a tobacconist ; he sells wholesale and occasionally over the counter - the prisoner Warren has been in my father's employ nearly three years - I remember having some communication with my father before he went out of town - we had before that missed quantities of tobacco from the shop - Patrick Crawley is in our service; and on Saturday, the 29th of June, I had a communication from him - our usual hour of dining was three o'clock, but we generally did not sit down till five or ten minutes past three o'clock - in consequence of what Crawley said, I on that day altered the dinner hour to two o'clock; but a few minutes after two o'clock I said to Warren "Take this parcel to the Old Change;" it was a parcel of tobacco weighing sixty pounds - I said, "Let us see how quick you can be back"- after he was gone I examined the shop, and under the counter on the selling side I found a box, and in it three parcels of tobacco, each weighing about two pounds; two of them were tied up, and the other only folded up and the ends tucked in - this was not at all a proper place for the deposit of tobacco - our counter is about a yard high, or not quite so much - I called Crawley and Browne, who were in our employ, and showed the tobacco to them - we had no customer of my father's named Rainsford - Warren returned back from the City in about an hour and ten minutes, which was very quick for him - I was at home when he returned, but I don't recolect saying anything to him - in consequence of something being said to me I went out in about five minutes after Warren's

return - I went to the corner of Wardour-street and stood there some time, but I could not see our shop from there; I then went to a place where I could see our shop, and I saw the prisoner Rainsford lingering about our shop with a blue bag - (I had received a description of a person from Crawley) - after he had lingered about for four or five minutes, he stood at the window where we keep snuff-boxes, and pretended to be looking at them, but I observed that he fixed his eyes towards the counter, and he at last went in; Warren was then in the shop - Rainsford came out again in less than five minutes with his bag much fuller than it was before; it had had a small parcel in the bottom of it before he went in - I and a friend who was with me, crossed over to him and asked what he had in his bag; he said, tobacco - I at the same time took hold of his bag and took it from him, and asked him if he would allow me to see it - he said, Certainly - we then returned to our shop, and I took out of the bag (before my friend) these two parcels, which are two of the three which had been in the box under the counter, and which I had replaced there after looking at them; I am sure they are two of them - I said to Rainsford, "Where did you get this tobacco?" he said, from his father's stock - I asked where his father lived, and he wrote down his address, "Edward Rainsford, 16, Cumberland-row, King's-cross;" which turned out to be his right address - he said this was a part of his father's stock, and he had brought it out to sell - he said he came into our shop to buy half an ounce of snuff; and on his being asked what he paid for it, he said, 1d., and Warren said 2d.; they both answered together - I then asked Warren, who was present, what he knew of the tobacco; he said he knew nothing about it, but he knew Rainsford by sight - no man of ordinary height, could reach the tobacco from under the counter from the customers side; Rainsford certainly could not - it is customary in our trade when we send out any quantity of tobacco, to give also a permit; this is one of them - there was no bill with these parcels, nor any permit; it was quite clear they could not have been disposed of in the ordinary way of trade - one of the parcels which Rainsford had was loose, the other tied up.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Did you put any mark on the parcels when you put them back in the box? A. No; I opened one and found it was tobacco, and I weighed it - I am not in partnership with my father- I can swear to these two parcels as being my father's, and could if I saw them thirty miles off - I observed a mark on one of the parcels, but I did not make it - I am satisfied these are the parcels.

PATRICK CRAWLEY . I am in the service of Mr. Rogers. I know Rainsford; I had seen him at my master's shop several times before the 28th of June - our usual dinner-time was between three and four o'clock; and Rainsford used to come to the shop about half-past three, while master was at dinner - Warren used to be there at the time, and he seemed to know Rainsford - my master had lost a great deal of tobacco, and he made it known to the servants - I told my master what I had seen about Rainsford - my master went off to Brighton on Saturday morning, the 29th of June, and my young master changed his dinner hour that day - I was called to look at a box under the counter which had three parcels of tobacco in it, two tied, and one rolled up - I went out for a pint of porter about half-past three; I saw Rainsford outside the door - my young master was just going out with Mr. Riley, and he turned back and said, "Here is the rascal outside the door" - I went to the inner part of the warehouse; I could not see the customers side of the counter from there, but Brown could - he said to me, "Here he comes" - I went into our snuff-room where there is a square of glass broken; I looked through, and saw Rainsford at the counter, and Warren behind the counter; they were opposite and talking to each other - Rainsford staid about two minutes then went out, and in about a minute he came in again with my master - I saw my master produce from Rainsford's bag two of the parcels which had been in the box under the counter; I am perfectly sure of it.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you known Rainsford before? A. Yes, I had seen him, but not spoken to him - I had known Warren a long time - I never knew of his getting any smuggled tobacco, or of any coming into the shop.

WILLIAM BROWN . I am in the service of Mr. Rogers. I was shown the box under the counter, with three parcels of tobacco in it - I placed myself where I could see the shop-door, and I saw Rainsford come in about half-past three o'clock - I afterwards saw my master produce from his bag two of the parcels which had been in the box.

JOHN HARVEY (police-constable E 48). I was sent for and took the prisoners on the 29th of June - these are the two parcels of tobacco, and this other one was given me by the prosecutor; there was a pair of trousers in the bag besides - Warren said he knew nothing at all about the tobacco.

WILLIAM PLUME (police-constable E 41). I was called in to take the prisoners - I found on Warren 1l. 10s. 6d., in silver, and 1s. 9d., in copper, and this letter- I afterwards searched the lodging of Warren at No. 94, John-street, Fitzroy-square; I there found this other letter

JAMES - . I am an excise-officer. It is customary in the tobacco trade for vendors of tobacco to issue permits with any quantity of tobacco sold above one pound in weight; but I believe they generally do so with half a pound - on the 29th of June there was no permit from Mr. Rogers for four pounds.

Rainsford's Defence. I have been in the habit of purchasing this tobacco of Warren as smuggled; he having represented that he had a captain, a friend of his who brought it over; I had generally sent him an order on the previous evening for what I wanted the next day, and on that Friday evening I sent an order for 6 lbs. of tobacco, 4 lbs. of shag, and 2 lbs. of returns, but the tobacco in the box was 4 lbs. of returns and 2 lbs. of shag - I took the 2 lbs. of shag, and 2 lbs. of the returns; I paid him for them and was coming out of the shop when I was stopped by Mr. Rogers - I did not wish that he should know that we were mixed up in any smuggling transaction, and I told him they were my father's - we were then taken before a magistrate - I have been to Mr. Rogers' at all hours for it; on the Thursday I had sent Warren an order for some, and I went for it, and Mr. Rogers was sitting at his own desk, and must have seen me; it is not likely I should have gone there in broad day-light, with two or three other persons in the warehouse. if there had been any guilty intention on my part, except knowing that the tobacco was smuggled.

Warren's Defence. I admit that the tobacco in the

box was placed there by me; it was not Mr. Rogers's but my own; I had bought and paid for it of a smuggler - I shall not give up the name.

The letters were here put in and read: -

"Dear Warren - Let me have ready at half-past three tomorrow, without fail, 4lbs. shag and 2lbs. returns, positively, and if you can at the same time 4lbs. shag, or 3lbs. shag and 1lb. returns. I owe you to-day 1s. 6d., Thursday 3s., and Saturday last 5s. for cigars, which I will give you the next time I see you: let me likewise have on Monday next, without fail, 3lbs. shag and 1lb. returns; in haste, E. R.

Friday evening, six o'clock."

Dear Sir - As I shall leave home this evening to convey my mother from the country, it will be useless your coming down here to-morrow morning, as originally proposed, as I shall be from home; but if you can make it convenient to call here tomorrow evening, after half-past eleven, the old man will have left, and we can then come to a settlement, or if more convenient will meet you on Monday or Tuesday, after half-past eleven in the evening, at any place you may appoint.

Your well-wisher, RAINSFORD.

To Mr. J. Warren, 94, John-street, Tottenham-court-road.

JURY to JAMES - . Q. Is it possible that manufactured tobacco can be smuggled into this country? A. A little Dutch tobacco might, but this is manufactured in England.

WARREN - GUILTY . Aged 19.


4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-117

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CAROLINE STRINGER. I live with my father, Charles Stringer , at No. 3, Ball-court . This property is my father's and mine; the prisoner has been a porter , but since he has been out of employ, he has been backward and forward to our house; my father gave him his lodging; he was there on the 4th of June, and did not go away till the night of the 5th, or early on the morning of the 6th - the property stated was then missed, part from a room down stairs, and part from a top room - the prisoner had been in those rooms - some of the property has been found; the watch-movements were taken from a tea caddy, and the case from the same room.

JAMES MOONEY (police-constable E 112). I took the prisoner on the 6th of June, from information, in Long-alley - I did not charge him with any robbery, but I found on him eight silver spoons, the movement of a watch, and the copper case of a watch, a half-sovereign, and a sixpence.

EDWARD BULLWORTHY . I am a pawnbroker, and live in Aylesbury-street, Clerkenwell. I produce a gown-skirt, a handkerchief, and a watch-case, pawned by the prisoner, in the name of John Young , on the 30th of May, the 1st of June, and the 4th of June.

Prisoner. Q. Will you swear I am the person who pawned them? A. Yes; by your coming three times I could not be mistaken in you - I am quite positive of you.

GEORGE CHAPMAN . I am a pawnbroker. I have a gown and a half-handkerchief, pawned, I believe, by the prisoner, but I am not certain.(Property produced and sworn to.)

Prisoner's Defence (written). On Wednesday evening, July 5th, I returned to my lodgings, which were situated at No. 3, Ball-court, Giltspur-street, about half-past nine o'clock, and being rather in liquor I refused to have any supper, and shortly after feeling very unwell I went to the door, where I remained till such time as the family were going to bed, and then went in to make my bed; having made it, and being thirsty, and the street-door being open, I put on my hat and coat and I went out of my lodging in Ball-court, Giltspur-street, for the purpose of having a pint of beer; I had a pint of beer at the King of Denmark, in the Old Bailey. When I returned I tried the latch of the door, but found that the door was fastened; not wishing to disturb the family, I determined to remain out that night. As I was walking about, I met two young lads that I knew, by having been in their company twice or three times before; they asked me to have something to drink I consented, and drank with them several times. When about half-past six o'clock, being in Shoreditch, we went into a coffee-shop, we had some, and shortly after they entered into conversation between themselves which induced me to listen; it was about a robbery they had committed the night before, which I shortly ascertained was the person that is now my prosecutor. I then asked the manner in which they got in, when they replied, that by chance, they happened to go up this court, and seeing my prosecutor's door open they entered into the passage, they found the parlour door which was locked with the key outside, they entered and took the property. After having heard thus far, and being convinced that it belonged to my prosecutor, I told them then, that it was entirely through my carelessness that they had got possession of this property - and that, if they did not give up the property, I would give them into custody; they hesitated for some time, and at last agreed to give it me, which was as follows: 8 silver tea-spoons, a movement of a watch, a half-sovereign, and 4s. 6d. in silver, which they declared was all they had taken, with the exception of four or five shillings. Shortly after we parted, which was, as near as I can possibly say, about half-past nine o'clock in the morning. I then considered that it would be best for me, as it was then so late, to leave it till between five or six in the afternoon; and in the meantime to write a few lines, stating that the property would be returned in the evening with a satisfactory explanation; I did so, and was going in the afternoon to my prosecutor, when I was taken into custody. The policeman - during the time we were in the coach, (which he made me pay for before I got into it) tried to get me to tell him the whole particulars of the robbery, and likewise to give him the property, and that he would make it all right with the prosecutor, and because I refused, he took a most solemn oath that he would do his utmost endeavours to get me transported.

GUILTY - Aged 20. Transported for Seven Years .

4th July 1833
Reference Numbert18330704-118
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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JOHN BROWN , JUN. I am the son of this witness - he set me to watch the prisoner - I saw the slater's bag in one of the rooms, with some lead in it; I don't know who put it in - I told my father of it.

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