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26th October 1814
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Before the Right Honourable WILLIAM DOMVILLE , Lord Mayor of the City of London; the Right Honourable Edward Lord Ellenborough , Chief Justice of His Majesty's Court of King's Bench; Sir Allen Chambre , knt. one of the Justices of His Majesty's Court of Common Pleas; Sir Richard Richards , knt. one of the Barons of His Majesty's Court of Exchequer; Sir Richard Carr Glyn, bart. Sir. John Perring , bart. Sir Charles Flower , bart. Aldermen of the said City; John Silvester , esq. Recorder of the said City; Sir Matthew Bloxam knt. John Atkins , esq. Robert Albion Cox , esq. Aldermen of the said City; and Newman Knowlys , esq. Common Serjeant of the said City; His Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer of the City of London, and Justices of Gaol Delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City, and County of Middlesex.

London Jury.

John Tyler ,

William Redpath ,

Joseph Read ,

John Callow ,

Thomas Atkinson ,

Stephen Crouch ,

James Hoppey ,

James Topless ,

James Milner ,

Thomas Morris ,

John Ames ,

William Abel .

First Middlesex Jury.

John Wilson ,

William Sexton ,

William Rogers ,

Thomas Pratt ,

William Fairchild ,

Easebius Saint ,

John Philp ,

John Bremner ,

James Sharp ,

Joseph Brockey ,

William Richmond ,

John Brough .

Second Middlesex Jury.

Anthoney Tunstall ,

Peter Paul ,

Giles Wakelin ,

Edward Price ,

Joseph Green ,

Joseph Light ,

Joseph Stockdale ,

William Field ,

John Weston ,

Edward Fitch ,

John Hatchard ,

William Falconer .

26th October 1814
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869. ELIZABETH M'DONALD was indicted for that she, at the General Sessions of the Peace, holden for the County of Middlesex, on the 1st of June, in the 53d year of his Majesty's reign, was tried, and convicted upon an indictment against her, for that she, on the 22nd of May, in the year aforesaid, one piece of false and counterfeit money, made to the likeness and similitude of a good sixpence, unlawfully did utter to one Mary Russell , spinster, and that she had about her at the time, one other piece of counterfeit money, and coin, made to the likeness and similitude of a good sixpence; it was therefore ordered that she should be in New Prison Clerkenwell for the space of one year, and to find sureities for good behaviour for two years to come; that she afterwards on the 7th of October , one piece of false and counterfeit money, made and counterfeited to the likeness of a good shilling, unlawfully did utter to William Kilsbey , she knowing it to be false and counterfeit .

JOSIAH GILL SEWELL. I am clerk to the Solicitor of the Mint. I produce a copy of the record of the conviction of the prisoner. I examined it; it is a true copy.


WILLIAM BEEBY . I am the keeper of New Prison, Clerkenwell. I knew the prisoner very well; I was present when she was convicted in June sessions, 1813, of being a common utterer of counterfeit money; she was ordered to be imprisoned in New Prison Clerkenwell, one year, and to find sureties. She suffered her punishment. I have no doubt of person at all.

AMELIA BAILEY. I am the wife of a grocer, in Gray's-inn-lane. On the 7th of October, about six o'clock in the evening, the prisoner came to my shop, she asked for a quarter of an ounce of tea and half a quartern of sugar; it came to three-pence; she gave me a shilling; I looked at the shilling, and perceived it to be a bad one. I gave it her again, and told her to go away.

WILLIAM KILSBEY . I keep the Poacock public-house, in Gray's-inn-lane. On the 7th of October, between six and seven o'clock, the prisoner came into my house, she asked for a glass of gin; she gave me a shilling; I looked at it, and said, it was a bad one, and put it down by the side of her. My wife took it up. I am quite sure it is the same. My wife then said, that woman brought bad shillings one day last week. I then said, she is a smasher, she shall not smash no more here. She then attempted to run away; I catched her by the arm. She threw a shilling from her hand directly on the ground.

Q. Had you seen what she did with the shilling that she took off the counter - A. She was never out of my sight. I saw her take up the shilling off the counter; I saw the shilling that she offered me in payment; I saw her hold it in her hand up to the time of her throwing it away. I saw the shilling that she dropped; that was the shilling she had offered to me. Mr. Loveday picked it up, and gave it me; I knew the shilling perfectly well; it had two marks, like C upon it. She had no other shilling then that, that I know off. I sent for Dickens, the officer. Dickens searched her before me. I delivered the shilling to the officer, after I had put a mark upon it. I told Dickens to search her mouth; he searched her mouth. She appeared to all that were present, to be trying to swallow something. She would not let him look into her mouth; she made a desparate resistance when he endeavoured to look into her mouth.

JAMES LOVLDAY . I am a weighter in the Custom house. I was at Mr. Kilsbey's on the 7th of October, I saw the prisoner drop a shilling; I picked it up. I gave it to the landlord; he marked it, and gave it to the officer.

SAMUEL DICKENS . I am an officer of Bow-street. I was sent for on this occasion. I took the prisoner into custody. When I went into the bar, Mr. Kilsbey said, do you know this woman; I told him I did; I had taken her once before, and she had then a twelvemonth confinement. I searched her, and found on her one bad shilling in her pocket. This is the shilling I found in her pocket, and this is the shilling the landlord gave me; I have kept them separate.

Prosecutor. This is the shilling that was picked up, and that she offered to me. I put a W. upon it; I was going to put W K upon it, I thought W would be sufficient.

Dickens. She fought a great deal to prevent me from taking her. I put my finger in her mouth; she had something in her mouth, that she swallowed; I tried to make her bring it up; she would not. I know the prisoner well; she knew me as soon as she saw me. I also found three shillings and five pennyworth of halfpence all by themselves in her pocket.

Mrs. Bailey. The tea and sugar came to three-pence.

Mr. Kilsbey. The gin came to two-pence. The Peacock public-house is about one hundred and fifty yard apart.

JOHN NICOLL . I am one of the moniers in his Majesty's Mint.

Q. Look at the shilling uttered in question - A. It is a counterfeit. The other is also a counterfeit; they are both counterfeits.

Prisoner's Defence. Please your honour, these two men when they took me before, a woman brought me the bad money; these men came and took me for offering bad money. I am a poor desolute woman. If you are going to hang me, hang me out of the way at once, and do not use me in this manner; I had two one-pound notes that Mr. Beeby gave me,

which they took from me, and then they pumped upon me.

GUILTY - DEATH , aged 68.

First Middlesex jury, before Lord Ellenborough.

26th October 1814
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870. THOMAS SHARP was indicted for the wilful murder of Elizabeth Dobbins .

SECOND COUNT, for the like murder, only stating the deceased's name to be Elizabeth Buchanan . And also charged upon the Coroner's inquisition for the like murder.

JAMES DOBBINS. I work for the Hampstead water work Company; I live at Millfield farm, Millfield-lane, near Kentish Town. The deceased lived with me in my house; I was not married to her; she had lived with me twenty years; she was called by my name; her christian name was Elizabeth, she was generally called Elizabeth Dobbins ; her real name was Elizabeth Buchanan ; she employed herself by taking in washing .

Q. On the day of her decease, at what time did you come home to dinner - A. About twenty minutes past one, on the 4th of October; I staid at home three quarters of an hour, or an hour, as near as I can guess. When I went away from dinner, I left the deceased there, she was at work when I came out from home; she had the linen about on the tubs in rotation for the woman to come to work the next morning; the linen was in the room below. there is a little bit of a passage from the door of that house to the room where that linen was, and a door in the passage to that room.

Q. Did you work at that time with a man of the name of Clark - A. Yes; he asked for some water; I told him to go to the house to get a mug. I said, I did not care if I had some myself. This might be a quarter after three. I was then by the barn door, at that time, about fifteen yards from the house, as near as I can tell; we were taking out tools out of the barrow into the barn; they belonged to the Company, and were deposited in the barn.

Q. In consequence of something that Clark told you, did you go home - A. Yes; when I came home, the door was wide open, the outer door was wide open, and the inside door too. When I went in, I saw the deceased laying down by the side of the copper, growing; I went to take her up; I could not; I ran back, and called for Clark to assist me to get her in a chair; Clark came immediately, and we lifted her into a chair.

Q. In what state was the deceased - A. Her head was cut open entirely; the brain I believe was in the head, but the bones were scattered about the place, and I saw my poker standing up by the side of the copper, bent, and all bloody.

Q. Did she ever speak afterward - A. No; she lived about a quarter of an hour, but never spoke.

Mr. Gurney. Was she a single woman before you lived with her - A. A widow; she went by the name of Buchanan.

WILLIAM CLARK . I am a labourer, in the employ of the Hampstead water work Company. I returned to the barn about three o'clock, with Dobbins; I asked for some water; I told him I was dry; he sent me to his cottage for a mug. I went to Dobbin's cottage; I found the door fast; I spoke twice, I called Mrs. Dobbins; I received no answer; I thought I heard something groan. I went and told Mr. Dobbins so; he said, he would go himself, and get a pot for the water. I stopped at the barn, and put my tools in, while Dobbins went to his cottage.

Q. How much time might elapse from your getting from the door of the cottage, and his return there - A. It might be ten minutes.

Q. Supposing any body to have been in Dobbins's cottage and wanted to go away towards London, would he pass in the same direction as Dobbins would come, or go the contrary way - A. The contrary way. After Dobbins went to the cottage, Dobbins called me from the barn to the cottage; he remained at the cottage, hallooing out for me; I went to the cottage immediately. When I got to the cottage, I saw the woman lay by the copper hole; the cottage door was open; Dobbins was in the house, and the woman laying by the copper; she was not quite dead then; she never spoke; her head was very much cut, and bleeding I set the chair, and helped to put her in the chair. A docter was sent for; he sent me to the pond where I had been working, after the other men.

CHARLES BATEMAN . I am a carpenter, at Kentish Town.

Q. On the 4th of this month, were you going by Dobbins's cottage - A. At half past two o'clock in the afternoon.

Q. Look at the prisoner, and tell me whether that is the man that you saw at the cottage - A. That is the man that I saw standing at the post of the gate of the cottage; his back was towards me; he turned as I went by, and I had a view of his face; he had on a fustian jacket, and a black handkerchief round his neck, seeing a stranger made me notice him. I saw him again as soon as he was in custody, at half past three or four o'clock the same day; I am clear he is the same man I saw at the gate at half past two; I was clear of it then; I know it was the same man directly I saw him.

ABRAHAM TYLER. On the 4th of October, I was at work at Mr. Whitehead's, about twenty-five yards, from Dobbins's house. In the middle of the day, I went to Dobbins's cottage, to borrow a wheelbarrow, about three o'clock; I saw the prisoner eating a large piece of bread and butter; he was standing about two feet in the house, by the street door.

Q. Is there a gateway fronting of Milfield-lane - A. Yes, it was in the inner door of the house; I saw him he was eating a large piece of bread and butter. Mrs. Dobbins was in the house; she said, I might have the barrow and welcome. I went away without saying any thing more to any of them; this was about three o'clock. I saw the prisoner again the day he was in custody, about half after six o'clock, I was sure he was the same man that I had seen in Dobbins's house; and that is the man at the bar.

THOMAS CHAMBER . I am a labourer. On the 4th th of this month, I was about two or three hundred

yards from Dobbins's house, digging a foundation for a brick wall for Mr. Ryner's; two men were with me working; near about half past three o'clock, I saw the prisoner coming towards me out at the end of Millfield-lane; I saw that he had an arm full of cloths, not tied uploose, one of the sleeve shung down; he was coming towards me; when he saw me, he turned across the road, went up a bank inside of a field, through a gap; Thomas Bremmer went up to him first, James Seal next; and I third. When I came into the field, he was kneeling on one knee, packing up the linen in a red handkerchief, with white spots; we went up to him. James Seal asked him where he got the linen from; he said, he bought them within a mile of Edgeware, of a gypsey man; he said, he gave nine shillings for them. Then Thomas Bremmer and James Seal took him by the collar, and brought him down the bank, into the road, nothing more was said by the prisoner in my hearing; they took him to Mr. Iver, the magistrate; I did not go with them. I did not hear of the murder until he was carried to Mr. Iver the magistrate. I went to make enquiry if any body had lost the linen; in the course of that enquiry, I heard of the murder.

JAMES SEAL . I was working with the last witness. I saw the prisoner Sharp, in the road; I observed him coming down the same side of the road where I was working, that is the left hand going from London; I observed him bringing a bundle of linen loose, with the sleeves of the shirts hanging out; he came near us; he crossed down the road; it appeared as if he turned out of the road; on seeing us, he got up a bank, through a gap in a hedge, opposite where we were at work; I thought that was done to avoid our observation. Bremmer first went into the field after him; I was close to Bremmer. The prisoner was kneeling on one knee packing up the linen. Bremmer asked him what he had got there; he replied, he had got some things he had bought of a gypsey man, with a donkey, within a mile of Edgware, he gave nine shillings for them. I told him that was a poor story to tell; he said, that was were he got them from. I told him I thought he must have stolen them some where near the spot; I was sure he had not come honestly by them. He said, he bought them, they might be stolen, or they might not; he bought them of a gypsey man, with a donkey. I pursuaded him to go back to the place from whence he had stolen them, and the people might probably forgive him; he still persisted that he had bought them, that he had not stolen them. We took him down the road; then he said, for God Almighty'-sake, young man, do not bring me to any hurt, or trouble; I bought the things; it would be a sad thing to bring him to any trouble; he said, he was the eldest I think of eleven children. When I talked to him to go back, I offered to go with him to where he took them from; he said, he could not go back, he did not know where they came from: any otherwise then he had bought them of a gypsey.

Q. Who took the bundle - A. He took it himself down the town; I took it over the hedge; he was taken to Mr. Iver, of Kentish Town the bundle was given into Mr. Bush's the constable's care. That is all the conversation I had with him. In about an hour after I heard of the murder.

THOMAS BRIMMER . I was working with Chamber and Seal on this day. I have heard the account they have given; it is quite correct.

JOHN BASH . I am a constable of Kentish Town.

Q. Did you receive any bundle from the workmen that have been just examined - A I did; it was delivered to me at Mr. Ivers's. I have kept it ever since.

Q. to Dobbins. When you came back and found your wife in the way you have described, did you look about the cottage, and see whether any thing had been taken away - A. I did not. I did in the course of the day, in the afternoon, I discovered shirts and handkerchiefs had been taken away. This shirt is my own, now produced by Mr. Bash; it was in my house that day, and when I searched, it was missing. I had seen the shirt on Monday morning; Tuesday was the day of the murder.

Q. Was any other linen gone - A. Yes.

COURT. You described the linen was laid out in rotation when you went out; was it in the same order when you came back as it had been before - A. No. When I left my wife, it was in tubs, in rotation, for the woman's washing. When I looked for the linen, some was gone, and some left. This is the poker that was found in the room; it is mine. I saw it in the room when I went out; it was not bent then; it is hent now, and there is the appearance of a good deal of blood upon it; when I found it, it was in its usual place.

Q. Look at the ticket on that linen - A. This is the hand-writing of the deceased; it is the bill of the articles of washing for a person of the name of James Jones .

JOHN HENSON . I am a constable. This is the linen that was taken from the prisoner Sharp. I packed them up after the different owners had sworn to them; it is what I received from Bash.

Mr. Gurney. Q. to Dobbins. The linen found is only a small portion of what was lost; had you taken any account of what was lost - A. I did not then; I did in the course of the day, in the afternoon; I found there had been shirts and handkerchiefs taken away. This shirt is my own; I am sure this shirt was in my house that day, and when I searched for it, it was missing. I had seen the shirt on Monday morning; Tuesday was the day of the murder; and the other linen was gone.

JAMES JONES . I am a servant at Mr. Christopher's. Mrs. Dobbin's washed for me. I delivered my linen to her on the 23rd of September, there were five shirts, two pair of stockings, two pair of socks, one pocket handkerchief, one half silk handkerchief, and a pocket handkerchief, in which it is tied; I had delivered her more linen than in here; all that is there, was left with her.

Q. How lately had you seen Mrs. Dobbins - A. On the Saturday, and on Saturday she gave me part of the linen; I could not take the whole then.

ELIZABETH JONES . I worked for Mrs. Dobbins. I ironed all her linen, and have done it all for twelve

years; every thing here I ironed on the Friday and Saturday previous to her death; on Saturday evening at ten o'clock, I parted from her.

GEORGIANA COLLINSON. Q. Did you employ Mrs. Dobbins as a washerwoman for any body - A. Yes. I delivered Mr. Longham's things to Mrs. Dobbins on Monday, the 3rd of October. This is Mr. Longham's parcel; this is part of the linen I gave to Mrs. Dobbins on the Monday to be washed; I never had it from her; it is dirty now, in the same state as I delivered them.

COURT. Q. to Dobbins. When you left your wife on Tuesday about half after two o'clock, did she complain of having been robbed, and her things to be gone - A. No.

Mr. Andrews. That is the case on the part of the prosecution; I have not called the surgeon.

COURT. No. When the pieces of the scull bones are found about the place, and the scull beat in, there is no occasion to call the surgeon to say that was the cause of her death.

Prisoner's Defence. I have nothing to say, only I bought the things.

GUILTY - DEATH , aged 27.

First Middlesex jury, before Lord Ellenborough.

26th October 1814
Reference Numbert18141026-3

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871. PATRICK SMITH was indicted for feloniously assaulting David Weit , in the King's highway, on the 6th of October , putting him in fear and feloniously taking from his person and against his will, a tin case, value 2 d. and fifteen shillings in monies numbered , his property.

DAVID WEIT . I am a drummer in the Lancashire Militia .

Q. Where were you on the 6th of October - A. I was at the sign of the Man in the Moon public-house, about a mile from Chelsea.

Q. What time of the day was it you were robbed - A. Just upon the hour of four o'clock in the afternoon, in open day-light.

Q. Where were you - A. I was going home; the prisoner was conducting me home to the barracks, as I was a stranger. He took me to a bye place, knocked me down two different times; he knocked me about till I was insensible. I was quite insensible when he robbed me. When I came to myself, I saw the prisoner with my tin box; he kept my tin box, the fifteen shillings, and the discharge, that were in it; in the tin box were three three-shilling pieces, one eighteen-penny piece, four shillings, and one sixpence. I went home to my barrack; the prisoner was not to be found. I was all over mud, and my face was cut. When I heard he had came home, I went forward, and took him by the collar; I said, this is the man that robbed me. On the night when I came home, I could not get any instructions of any body where to find the prisoner. I heard he came home late at night. The next morning I got up early. The prisoner got over the back wall, and the next morning to that, the serjeant took the prisoner. I told the adjacent he prisoner was the man that had robbed me. I told him the particulars. I went afterwards and shewed the serjeant and the police officer the spot where he robbed me. The prisoner saw at the bar is the man that robbed me.

FRANCIS BAILEY . I know the prisoner and the prosecutor. On the evening of the 6th of October, the prosecutor came into the house with his face scratched and black, and his legs had been kicked. He told me he had been knocked down by the prisoner, and robbed of his tin box, fifteen shillings, and his discharge. The prisoner belongs to the 27th regiment of foot. I saw nothing of the prisoner until the morning of the 7th, I seized him by the collar at the York barracks; he did not seem surprized at my taking him. He denied taking any money from David Weit . I confined the prisoner. I reported it to the Commanding officer; the Commanding officer told me to give him over to the Civil Power.

Prisoner. Q. to Weit. Did not you lose the tin box the night before that - A. No. I had it about me when I was robbed.

Q. to Bailey. Was the prisoner drunk or sober - A. He had got a drop to be sure; he was not drunk. This is the piece of paper that was dropped in the necessary. The prisoner took part of this paper to wipe his backside with; the prosecutor's name is on it; here is Weit, drummer, upon it; it is part of his discharge; he has not passed the board.

Prisoner's Defence. On the day before, I saw the prosecutor laying down in the necessary, I picked him up; the next morning, he said, he would treat me for behaving so civil to him. I was conducting him home to the barracks, I could not get him along; he fell down a great many times; he dropped the tin box; we went back several times to look for it. I went home. He fell down a great many times, and when he got home, he made this complaint that I cut him; he cut himself by falling down.

MR. GREEN. I am an officer. The prisoner is one of the men that knocked the man down in the Five fields; he bears a bad character in the regiment.

GUILTY - DEATH , aged 42.

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. Recorder.

26th October 1814
Reference Numbert18141026-4
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation

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872. WILLIAM JONES , alias MILKY , was indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Frederick Fisher , about the hour of twelve in the night of the 9th of June , and burglariously stealing therein, a writing-desk, value 5 s. twenty pawnbrokers' duplicates, value 6 d. one pair of snuffers and stand, value 2 s. a plated mustard-pot, value 2 s. a candlestick, value 6 d. two frocks, value 1 s. three glasses, value 1 s. four decanters, value 4 s. a redicule, value 2 s. a muslin cap, value 6 d. a wash-hand bason, value 6 d. a pair of nut-crackers, value 2 d. a cribbage-board, value 6 d. three sticks of sealing-wax, value 3 d three rouge-boxes, value 1 s. two papers of India currie, value 1 s. twenty jewellery working tools, value 5 l. fifty gross of steel beads, value 5 l. a sliding-box, value 6 d. a puzzle-board, value 6 d. three brushes, value 6 d. five gross of buckles, value 2 l. the property of Frederick Fisher .

FREDERICK FISHER . I am a jeweller , I live at No. 8, Nelson's-place, in the City-road, in the parish of St. Luke's ,

Q. On the 8th of June in the night, was your house broken open - A. After twelve o'clock at night it was. I went to bed about twelve o'clock on

the 8th of June; I was the last person up in the house; before I went to bed, I made the house secure, every part of it, particularly the kitchen door; I am sure I shut that close to when I went to bed. About half past six o'clock or seven o'clock, I was disturbed by my children; I got up; I found my kitchen door buttoned on the kitchen side; there is a door at the bottom of the stairs which leads into the kitchen. The button was fastened on the inside of the kitchen; it must have been done after I went to bed.

Q. How did you get the door open - A. I put my son out of the window; he by getting out of the window, came in backwards, and so got into the kitchen, and turned the button that was inside of the door in the kitchen. I then came into the kitchen; the drawers were all open, and every thing was gone. It appeared that they got into my yard from another yard, over the wall. The door was broken open. Whether they got in at the door or the window, I cannot tell; they were both fastened. I bolted the kitchen door on the over night; the kitchen door opens by a latch. I am confident I latched it to go in by the kitchen door. The yard is surrounded by a wall; it is a ground floor kitchen. I went to Worship-street office; I got a officer. I went with the officer to Burgess' father's premises; they are situated close to mine. I knew Burgess before; he is his father's horse keeper; his father is an hackney coachman. Burgess was in the loft. In the loft we found a japanned waiter, a brass candlestick, a silk handkerchief, and a blue quart decanter, it is not in the indictment. Part of them were in the parlour, and part in the kitchen, and I also found some duplicates: they were given up to me; there were about four duplicates. I have taken the things out of pledge; they were found in the loft, hid under some hay bands. The duplicates had been in a desk in the parlour. I bought them; they were my own.

Q. Were all the articles in the indictment taken from you that night - A. They were.

Q. Did you hear afterwards of any desk being found - A. Yes, on the 29th of July; I was out at the time it was brought to my house. When I came home, it was produced to me by my own family; it was broken all to pieces. I know nothing where that was found.

Q. Did you know the prisoner before this - A. I did not. I knew Burgess. I saw Burgess and the prisoner speaking to my little girl on the night of the 8th; I am sure the prisoner was with Burgess that night, about seven o'clock.

Mr. Alley. You have said Burgess was the son of a coachman, why did not you tell us he was a notorious thief - A. I know he is now; I did not know it then.

PHILIP MARCH . I am a watchman. On the 9th of June, at night, about eleven o'clock, I heard of the robbery. Mr. Fisher informed me his house was broken open and robbed.

Q. Do you know Burgess - A. Yes his farther's yard ajoins Mr. Fisher's. I met the prisoner after the robbery was committed; I saw him at the end of Nelson-place, between four and five o'clock in the morning; I knew his person before; he was an associate with young Burgess: there was another one with him; I did not see Burgess with him at that time. I went up New-street; I saw him turn up Bath-street, towards the New buildings; this might be the morning of the 10th, I cannot speak exactly to the day of the month; it was the morning after the robbery. I met the prisoner, I thought it had a suspicious look; I went to my brother watchman, and informed him of it, and when I came to Nelson-place, there were none of them to be found. I went to Burges's yard; I found the wicket not as I found it before; I went into Burges's yard; I saw the loft door open; I went into the loft. I saw Jones and another person with him in the hay loft. I desired them to come down; I told them they had no business there; they refused at first; I insisted upon their coming down. I told them I had more with me, then they came down; then I took them to the watch-house. I am sure the prisoner was one of them; I had seen him before in Nelson-place; I knew his person before. The next morning they were taken to the Police office and discharged. I did not search the loft.

BARNARD GLEED . I am an officer. On the 11th, of June, I went with Mr. Fisher to Mr. Burgess's premises I saw the father; I told him I was come to search his premises; the prisoner was not present; the loft was open at that time; I went up into the loft with Mr. Fisher. I found a blue decanter, a silk handkerchief, a japan waiter, a brass candlestick, and a great quantity of duplicates; we then came out of the loft, and went down into the yard; I saw young Burgess in the harness-room; Mr. Fisher gave charge of young Burgess; I took him into custody, I told him what I took him in custody for; he denied any knowledge of it; he said, he did not know whose the property was, nor who did the offence he said he had nothing to do with it, nor did he know any thing about it. I knew nothing of the prisoner at that time.

WILLIAM BURGESS . My father is a Hackney Coachman; I used to clean his horses. I have known the prisoner about seven or eight months; I saw him on the 8th of June, he came to my father's stable he asked me if I would go with him to get a pair of boots.

COURT. What time in the day was this when he came to you - A. Between seven and eight in the evening; he asked me to go with him to get a pair of boots; he told me I could get a new pair of boots if I would go with him; I at that time, I did not know where I was to go; I told him to stop, until I fed the horses; and shut up the gates; he then told me; I was to go to Mr, Fisher's house; Mr. Fisher's house is opposite of the gate. He said, there was a pair of boots hung up in the back kitchen; he said, between twelve and one o'clock would do. I walked about with him until I thought it was time to go and get my supper.

Q. Did you see the children of Mr, Fisher that night - A. The prisoner did; I was with him; the prisoner asked the child what time her father came home; the little girl said, sometimes at one time,

and sometimes at another, but she was generally in bed; it was about half after eight when this conversation took place; then we walked about until almost ten o'clock; then I went to get my supper about ten o'clock; I told him to stop until I came out; I went home and got my supper; I came down stairs as if to go to bed; I slept below, and got my supper up stairs, and came down as if to go to bed below; I slept in my father's house, in little Moorfields; the stables are in the City Road.

Q. Did you go to bed - A. No, I went out: when I came out I saw the prisoner, he was waiting for me. The prisoner and I walked about until almost one o'clock, then we went to Mr. Fisher's house. it was nigh one when we went to Mr. Fisher's house, it was dark.

Q. Was there any illumination that night - A. I don't think there was. When we got to Mr. Fisher's house, we got over the wall into the back yard; the prisoner went and lifted up the latch, and put his toe under the back kitchen door, and the door opened; the door opened easy; we came back again. I am sure he lifted up the latch. We walked back to the bottom of the yard; we went both of us and set in the privy; after we opened the door, and just as we got into the house, the watchman went past two; it was so dark then, we could not see in the kitchen.

Q. What did you wait in the privy all this time - A. For fear they should have heard us open the door. We waited in the privy an hour; we went back, and we both went in; we stopped a little time until it became a little light. We packed up a great many clothes out of all the drawers, and tied them up in a large table cloth; there were childrens clothes and different things; there were a pair of snuffers and stand in the desk. Then we went into the front parlour; we packed up a quantity of glasses and bits of old rags all that we could find; then we went and got two desks from the parlour; we put into the entry that leads to the door.

Q. Among the glasses that you took, were there any blue decanters - A. There were two blue, and several white ones; the big writing desk was heavy; there was gold upon the decanters. We went into the cellar where the fowls were; we killed them.

COURT. There is no fowls in the indictment - A. The snuffers and stand we put them together in the desk, and we put the desk in the hen roost, in my father's yard; the other things we put in the hay loft; after we had taken them out, we then unchained the front door, and unbolted it. The decanters we also put in the hay loft. We went out at the front door, it is a spring lock; after we went out, we pulled the door to gently, we went out both of us, and took the things into my father's stable-yard; we opened the desks there; there were a great many swivels and card racks; we found some little tin boxes, they contained various things, two large boxes of jewellers tools and weights. We covered the bundles over with the hay hands in the hay loft; we covered the desk too; we shut the hay loft door after us, it was not locked. We walked about a little while, and then we began to work.

Mr. Knapp. Q. Did you see Mr. Fisher after this - A. We were cleaning the horses and washing the coaches; between seven and eight o'clock I heard Mrs. Fisher and the children say, they had been robbed. I said it was a very bad job for them; we left the things in the loft until Saturday morning.

Q. What night was it that you committed the robbery - A. I cannot say the day of the week.

COURT. It was Thursday these things were stolen - A. The next Saturday after the robbery had been committed; the prisoner came and took away two bundles and the writing-desk out of the hay loft; I was in bed at the time. He told me afterwards where he took them to. I went in the afternoon to Sarah Stacey 's lodging, in Checquer-alley; I found the prisoner there, and the two bundles there. The prisoner said, the child's dress he thought was not of much value, he had given them to her for her child. I asked the prisoner if he had got any money.

Q. What is Stacey - A. She is a girl that walks the streets.

Q. Did you find any of these things at Stacey's - A. Yes. I told him I could not stop, and made an appointment to meet him. The next morning he came to the stable yard; when he came to the stable yard, I went with him into my father's hen-roost. He looked into the desk, and took the snuffers and stand out; he said, he would keep them until he saw me again. He came to me between three and four in the afternoon. I went with him into Old-street, and from there into Tabernacle walk; we went to a pawnbroker's, the corner of Tabernacle-row; he said, he would pawn them at Mr. Walker's if I would wait at the door. He went into Mr. Walker's, the pawnbrokers; he came out again with a shillings worth of penny-pieces, and a duplicate; I had six penny-pieces. We went into Chiswell-street, we got some victuals to eat; we walked about and parted. I was taken up first, and at Worship-street office, I was discharged. I was afterwards taken up for another robbery, by the Hatton Garden officers, and made a witness of; I was charged with this offence afterwards; I gave the same account I have to day. I was a witness here last Sessions, and gave my evidence; those persons got convicted.

Mr. Alley. Those men got convicted - A. Yes.

Q. Hutt, the officer, proved that those men were found in the fact.

Q. You say, your father is a coach master; you call yourself a ostler - A. I used to clean his horses. I had thirteen horses to clean.

Q. I suppose you drive yourself, do not you - A. No, sir; I am ostler to my father, and live in his house.

Q. This was on the 8th of June that the prisoner spoke to you - A. Yes.

Q. That was on the night of the illumination, was it not - A. I cannot exactly say.

Q. You pretened to your father, you ate your supper and went to bed; you deceived your family, and went out.

Q. You brought the stolen property and put it into your father's stable; so that your father might be hanged? What time of the night was it when you went into the prosecutor's premises - A. Nigh one

o'clock, and just as we got into the kitchen the watchman went two o'clock.

Q. So that after you had ransacked this house, you carried this property into your father's premises - A. Part I carried, and part the prisoner carried.

Q. You have said something about Sarah Stacey; did not you know her by the name of Sarah Lacey - A. No.

Q. She is an old acquaintance of your's, is not she - A. I know her by eye-sight; the prisoner introduced me to her.

Q. You said some of the things was brought by the prisoner to her - A. Yes, as the prisoner told me. Sal Stacey was in the room at the time he said so.

Q. Was it not you that brought the things to Sarah Stacey - A. It was not. I was in bed at the time. He took them in my father's cart; it was in the afternoon when I went.

Q. Was she examined before the magistrate - A. No.

Q. Is she here to day - A. Not as I know off.

Q. So then Stacey, who knows this important fact, that the prisoner carried the property to her lodging, if it is the fact, is not here to day - A. I do not know that she is here to day as a witness for the prosecution.

Q. You say the prisoner came to the place, and took out of the desk the snuffers and stand - A. Yes, that was in the morning. He took them in his pocket, and said he would keep them until he saw me again.

Q. That place where they were, was a place of concealment, was it not - A. Yes.

Q. More so than his own pocket? I dare say you did not go into the pawnbroker's - A. He went in himself; I stood at the door. He pledged them in the name of Jones, Peerless-row. Instead of that, it should have been Poole-terrace. His father is a milkman, and lives in Poole-terrace; he lived with his father-in-law; his father-in-law has his name up Cunningham.

Q. You were taken in custody, and then you told this - A. Yes.

Q. Do you mean to say, that when you were first taken you told of this robbery - A. No, I did not. I was not asked any questions at the office at all.

Q. Upon your oath, did not the officers ask you whether you knew any thing about this identical robbery - A. That was in the yard. He told me if I knew any thing, I had best tell, he could not promise me any thing. I told him, no.

Q. And you were discharged - A. Yes.

Q. How long after that, were you taken into custody by an Hatton Garden officer - A. Two months perhaps.

Q. So this thing slept in your breast two months, and then you were taken up for a burglary at Baguigge Wells - A. Yes.

Q. Do you know Jonathan Wild - A. Yes.

Q. Have you accused Jonathan Wild - A. Yes, and caused him to be taken up; he was examined three times, and then dismissed.

Q. How often were you examined before you told any thing of this poor lad at the bar - A. Only once. I was taken up; they took the charge, and I was sent to the House of Correction; I was in the House of Correction before I spoke on this charge.

JURY. You mentioned that you passed by this house, did you see in the back kitchen a pair of boots - A. No, sir.

Q. How did you disearn the colour of the bottles if it was not day light - A. Every thing that we took out of the parlour we took out of the door; it was past four o'clock when we came out of the house, it was just peep of day then.

COURT. Did you perceive the stair-case - A. Yes, they came into the kitchen; there is a stair case door; we buttoned that. I buttoned that I believe, it was either I or the prisoner that buttoned it, to hinder the people from coming down stairs.

THOMAS MILLER. I am an apprentice to Mr. Walker, pawnbroker, No. 19, Tabernacle-walk.

Q. Do you know the prisoner - A. When I came to the examination at Hatton Garden office, I had a faint recollection of the prisoner; I was not positive to him; I had a recollection of his person. I have a stronger belief now then I had then. I have a stronger recollection of him the longer I look at his person. On the 17th of June, I took in pawn a pair of snuffers and stand; I cannot say what time of the day. I advanced a shilling upon them, to a man of the name of Jones, in Peerless-row; in all probability, I paid him in penny-pieces. In harvest time, we are short of silver, we generally pay for small pledges in penny-pieces. I believe at that time, I paid in penny-pieces.

JOHN LIMBRICK . I am an officer of Hatton Garden office. In consequence of information from Burgess, I received these things of a person of the name of Stacy; I found Maria Stacey in the room, and another woman there. Sarah Stacey 's child was playing on the floor, and Maria Stacey in bed, and the other woman. I produce a frock and two pair of breeches; I took them off Sarah Stacey 's child, or at least, from a child that was there. I was informed that Sarah Stacey lived in the same house.

Q. Where is Maria Stacey's lodgings - A. No. 5, Rose-alley, Golden-lane. A Mrs. Ford keeps the house.

Q. to Prosecutor. Look at these snuffers and stand - A. I believe them to be my property; there is my mark upon it. I had them from the Country, with other goods, to sell by commission. The frock produced by Limbrick, they are the same pattern that we lost; they were made up as they are now, for a child to wear. These thing in the basket were brought to my house, and said to be found in Burgess's yard.

JOSHUA ARMSTRONG. I found them things in Burgess's father's yard, in a box, in a hen-roost. I conveyed them to Mr. Fisher's house; Mr. Fisher was not at home. I left them with the family.

Mr. Fisher. They have been in the possession of my family ever since Mr. Armstrong returned them. I am sure they are the things that I lost.

Barnard Gleed. These are the articles that I found in the hay loft; they are all here.

Prosecutor. The blue decanter is mine, this candlestick is mine; I have got the fellow to it at home. I believe they are all mine. A great many things

have not been found that were taken away. I lost the leases of two houses; independant of the leases, I lost above an hundred pounds.

JOHN HUTT . I am an officer. I apprehended the prisoner on another charge in September last.

REBECCA FORD . I live in Rose-square, near Golden-lane.

Q. Do you know a person of the name of Sarah Stacey - A. Yes; she lodged in my house between two or three years off and on, not continually, we parted twice between that time. She had a child; she had a sister lived with me; her name was Maria Stacey . When she was not at my house, she lodged in Checquer-alley. I gave the officers the directions where she lodged.

Prisoner's Defence. I am innocent of this robbery; I leave myself to the mercy of the jury.

The prisoner called two witnesses, who gave him a good character.

GUILTY - DEATH , aged 18.

[ The prisoner was recommended to mercy by the jury, on account of his youth, and believing that he was led into it by the accomplice .]

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. Common Serjeant.

26th October 1814
Reference Numbert18141026-5
VerdictNot Guilty > fault

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JANE HUMPHREYS . My husband's name is Humphrey Humphreys, not Henry.

COURT. It is Henry in the indictment - A. That is a mistake.


Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. Recorder.

26th October 1814
Reference Numbert18141026-6
VerdictNot Guilty

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874. JAMES POLOCK was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of William Green , about the hour of ten in the forenoon, of the 19th of July , Ann the wife of Joseph Mayton , being therein, and stealing, a watch, value 2 l. five silver tea-spoons, value 10 s. one silver table-spoon, value 7 s. and a silver desert spoon, value 5 s. the property of Joseph Mayton .

ANN MAYTON . My husband's name is Joseph Mayton; I live at No. 5, Castle-street .

Q. Were you at home on the 19th of July last - A. Yes. I lodge in William Green's house.

Q. Do you know the prisoner - A. Yes.

Q. Did you see him at your house on that day - A. I did not see him. I was down stairs mangling some things; I saw a man come in about ten o'clock in the morning; I did not see him; I heard somebody come in; I came up. I had locked my door before I went out, but I had not taken the key out, and when I came up, I found my door open; there was nobody in my room at all. William Green occupies the house; he sleeps there, and I have one room.

Q. Do you know in what state the outer door was in - A. The outer door was open, and my room robbed. When I got into my room, I looked at my linen; it was all right. I went out of doors, I saw the glimpse of somebody go out; I could not tell whom. When I came out of the room first, I saw somebody going out, and I saw my door open; I went out of doors, I asked if any body had gone in; a little boy, his name is Foster, gave me some information. I returned to my room; I missed live silver tea spoons, a table-spoon, a desert-spoon, and a silver watch. I did not get a view of his person so as to be able to say who he was.

JOHN FOSTER . I am thirteen years old; I live with my father, No. 19, Castle-street. On the morning of the 19th of July, my mother was washing for Mr. Mayton, and about ten o'clock, I was looking out of Mrs. Mayton's window; I saw the prisoner go out of Mrs. Mayton's house. I knew his person before. I saw him go into the house, and I saw him come out of the house; he was about three minutes in the house. He went round the corner when he came out. I knew the prisoner's face; he had on a velveteen jacket, and pearl buttons on it. I had seen him a great many times before.

HENRY LEWRY . (The witness being deaf and dumb, Thomas Irwin was admitted to be his interpreter.)

Q. Have you seen the prisoner - A. Yes; I have often seen the prisoner at the bar; I know him well by sight,

Q. Do you know where Joseph Mayton lodges - A. I do not know the name of the place; I know the house when I see it. I saw the prisoner go into the house; I think it was on a Monday; it was in the middle of the day. I saw him take a watch, a salt-seller, and some spoons, seven articles altogether; he took the watch from the nail or a peg, and the spoons from a shelf in the cupboard. I could perfectly distinguish the articles he took. I saw him bring the articles out of the house; I saw him put some into his pocket immediately upon getting to the door, and the others he carried in his hand, and put his handkerchief round them. The prisoner when he came out, took down a turning, and then went another way. I then walked about to amuse myself until my meals was ready, and then I went home to my meals. I gave information of what I had seen some time afterwards; I cannot say how long it was afterwards.

Prisoner's Defence. At the time I am accused of the robbery, I was in Pall Mall with my fruit. The officer saw me the day after the robbery, he never said a word to me about it; if the officer did not see me, I saw him. He took me in custody on the Wednesday. I am innocent of the charge.

FRANCIS FREEMAN . I apprehended the prisoner on Wednesday, the 21st of July, about four o'clock in the afternoon.

The prisoner called two witnesses, who gave him a good character.


First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Justice Chambre.

26th October 1814
Reference Numbert18141026-7
VerdictGuilty > theft under 5s
SentenceImprisonment; Miscellaneous > fine

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THOMAS NICHOLSON . I live at No. 7, High-street, Whitechapel . On Saturday, the 24th of September, about half past eleven at night, I had just swept the shop out, a man told me that the prisoner

had taken away a piece of bacon, and pointed out the prisoner to me; the prisoner then was turning up a court. I am sure the prisoner is the man. I pursued him, and took him in a court; the prisoner then was in the act of putting the bacon in a basket that he had with him. I brought the prisoner and the bacon back to the shop. I gave the prisoner into the charge of an officer. I am sure that the bacon that I took from the prisoner, was the bacon I lost; I cut it from the side myself. I value the bacon at five shillings; six pounds at ten pence a pound.

DAVID CONWAY. On the night of the 24th of September, between eleven and twelve o'clock, I was coming down Whitechapel. I was informed a man had stolen a piece of bacon; I said, I was a constable. Mr. Nicholson gave me charge of the prisoner. I searched him; in his basket I found five pieces of mutton, and a bunch of onions.

Prisoner's Defence. I picked up this bacon as I was coming back from market, about six yards from this gentleman's stall.


Of stealing to the value of 3 s. only .

Confined 6 months , and fined 1 s.

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Baron Richards .

26th October 1814
Reference Numbert18141026-8
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceImprisonment; Miscellaneous > fine

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876. ELIZABETH HOSKINS was indicted for feloniously stealing, on the 4th of October , three pair of shoes, value 11 s. the property of John Swift , privately in his shop .

JOHN SWIFT . I am a shoe-maker ; I keep a shop in Crown-street, Finsbury-square . On the 4th of this month, between one and two o'clock, the prisoner came into my shop, she asked for a pair of shoes that were in the window; she tried them on, and said, she would be measured for a pair. I measured her foot. She said, she lived at No. 7, Finsbury-square; she went out of the shop. After I had measured her, I looked at the horse of shoes; I thought I missed two pair of girls shoes. I went after her, and overtook her; I told her she had stolen some of my shoes; she said, she had not. Two pair dropped at her feet; I picked them up. I saw them fail; them two pair are mine. The third pair dropped from under her shawl, on my counter. These are the three pair; they are worth nine shillings. She said, she meaned to come back to pay me for them.

Prisoner's Defence. I came out of the shop with the shoes in my hand; I did not mean to steal them; I intended to return to pay for them.

GUILTY, aged 27,

Of stealing, but not privately .

Confined 1 year , fined 1 s.

First Middlesex jury, before Lord Ellenborough.

26th October 1814
Reference Numbert18141026-9

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877. FARDY CARROLL was indicted for feloniously making an assault in the King's kighway, on the 3rd of September , upon Jane, the wife of James Smith , putting her in fear and taking from her person, a pocket-book, value 6 d. two keys, value 3 d. an eighteen-penny bank token, a shilling, a sixpence, eight penny-pieces, nineteen halfpence, and two farthings , the property of James Smith .

JANE SMITH . My husband's name is James Smith. On the 3rd of December last, the prisoner met me at the corner of Park-lane, the Oxford-street end; it was between eleven and twelve when he accosted me; he accosted me after the same manner as if I was an unfortunate woman; he said, if I chused to go and have any concern with him, he would give me a shilling; I told him I wanted nothing to do with him, to go about his business; he would find enough to answer his purpose. I then walked away from him. He crossed over the way. I saw nothing more of him for near half an hour afterwards, then I was going down Park-lane when he met me again.

Q. How came you to be so long in the street there - A. I was waiting for my husband. He then asked me if I was in the same mind; I told him, I was, certainly. He told me it would be better for me to comply. He walked away, and I walked away; I walked towards Oxford-street. He walked the other way. I walked down Park-street , to the corner of North-row . He there met me, he there told me I had better comply; I told him, I should not. He told me it should be worse for me, not to give him any more of my impudence, or he would not leave me an eye to look out of, nor should I be able to tell who hurt me; that he spoke to me. I then went to turn myself sideways from him, he gave me a blow on the side of my head, which knocked me down to the ground; I cried out murder, and endeavoured to rise, and before I got up he repeated his blow, and knocked me down again; he then kicked between my shoulders, and my neck, and at the same time I felt a violent pull at my side, which tore off my pocket, and the front of my petticoat. What passed afterwards I cannot say.

Q. Did you see whose hand did that - A. It was him that did it; I am sure of it; there was no one near. What passed afterwards, I know not. The blow entirely deprived me of my senses.

Q. How soon did you come to yourself - A. I did not come to myself until the latter end of the week following; I was without my senses until the surgeon opened my head, and took the bruised blood out.

Q. What had you in your pocket - A. I had an eighteen-penny piece, a shilling, a sixpence, and eighteen pennyworth of copper, I do not know whether it was in halfpence or penny-pieces; I think I had two farthings. That is all I know that passed between him and me.

Prisoner. Did not I give you any money - A. No, you did not.

Q. Were not you in a public-house in Oxford-street with me - A. I never went into that public-house with you; I never went a yard of ground with you.

JEREMIEH ABEL. I am a watchman. On the night of the 3rd of September, I was in North-row; I heard the prosecuterix Jane Smith , cry murder, about a quarter before one; I ran to her assistance directly. In going to her, I met the prisoner runing from her; he was very nigh one hundred yards off her, when I met him, he was runing, as fast as he could; he was in North-row. He got past me; I called out stop him; the patrol stopped him. He

dropped the pocket and the piece of petticoat when the patrol stopped him. The night constable examined what was in the pocket; I did not. I left the prisoner with the patrol. I went to the woman; I found her bleeding very much, and laying speechless; she was quite senseless when I picked her up.

JOHN BESTWIELS. I am the patrol, I was in North-street on the night of the 3rd of September; I heard the shrik of the woman; the watchman called out stop him. I stopped the prisoner; he was running as fast as he could. I took him to the watch-house; I saw the pocket down at our feet; I did not see the prisoner drop it. I had hold of the prisoner, scuffling with him to stop him. The prisoner acknowledged that he tore the pocket from the woman; the prisoner was taken to the watch-house by Jeremieh Abel, the watchman. I was present when it was examined; there where in it an eightteen penny piece; a shilling, a sixpence, and eightteen penny worth of copper. The prisoner was present when it was examined. The night constable took possession of the pocket and the money, to produce it at Malborough Street office.

Prisoner. Q. Did not I tell you that I gave some money to this girl - A. You said something about it she contradicted you, therefore I took little notice of what you said.

ALEXANDER BALL , I was constable of the night. On the 3rd of September, about one o'clock the prisoner was brought into the watch-house; Jane Smith was brought into the watch-house at the same time; she was in a fainting state and covered with blood; it was some minutes before she could speak to me. When she could speak, she said, she had been knocked down, and robbed of her pocket. The prisoner was nearer to me than the prosecutor. After she gave me the charge, the prisoner said he gave her an eighteen penny-piece for her to accommodate him, and afterwards she refused to accommodate him; she refused to give him the eighteen penny-piece back again. He told me he wanted to get the eightteen penny-piece back again; she tumbled down and that is the way the blood came. I examined the pocket.

Q. How long did the prosecutrix stay with you - A. About a quarter of an hour. I sent the beadle and two patrols with her to the Hospital. I did not expect she would live until the morning, she was so bad.

Prisoner's Defence. I met this girl at the corner of Duke-street, Oxford-street; I made my bargain with her, to stroke her for eighteen pence, I had no more about me only three pence and a pound note. I went to Mr. Saul the publican in Oxford-road; she was with me. I asked him for change of the pound note; he said, he had no change. I asked him to lend me eighteen pence, and I would leave the pound note with him. I asked him for liquor; he would not give me any, I went out with this girl. I gave her the eighteen penny piece; I went with her as far as Park street, then she unbuttoned my breeches, and took two pence out of my pocket, and put it in her own pocket; she strove to get out of my hands; I kept hold of her until her petticoat broke; she fell down, I saw the watchman by the side of me; I passed the watchman, and dropped the pocket out of my hand. I have two witnesses but they are not here to day; I hope your honour and the Gentleman of the jury, will give me liberty to have my witnesses to morrow.

GUILTY - DEATH aged 26.

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Justice Chambre

26th October 1814
Reference Numbert18141026-10

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878. GEORGE COATES . was indicted for feloniously making an asault in the Kings highway, on the 22nd of October . upon Mark Randell Moss , putting him in fear, and taking from his person, and against his will, a watch, value 5 l. 5 s. a gold chain, value 20 l. and a gold seal, value 3 l. 3 s. his property.

MARK RANDELL MOSS . I am a Mariner ; I live in Ward's-row, Bethnell Green. On Saturday night about twenty minutes past eight, from that till half past eight I was going from Bishopgate Street to Church Street; at the end of a dark Street leading into Church Street the prisoner, in company with some more, attempted to hustle me down; it was light enough to distinguish the prisoner. I defended myself, and told him not to molest me. The prisoner turned round, and spoke to his companions. He and his companions, made a second attempt to take hold of me, and I having some property about me which had been paid me by some merchants in the City, I was determined I would not be robbed. The prisoner made a strong hustle, and go my gold watch out of my fob; he actually took the watch out of my pocket; I collared him with one hand, and seized hold of the watch with the other, and insisted upon his delivering my property up to me again; a scuffle ensued, in which the prisoner was assisted by his companions. The prisoner and I both fell down on the pavement, in which situation, I was very ill used by the prisoner's companions. my head suffered and my body; my coat was torn in pieces. I got up again, and succeeded in wrenching the watch from him; the chain broke, the watch fell; the body of the watch got seperated by the fall on the pavement. I held the prisoner fast, although I received the ill treatment from the others, until assistance came. The body of the watch was picked up, and gave to me. No constable being near. the gentleman who assisted me, helped me to take the prisoner to the watch-house, a Mr. Shearman; he held the prisoner requesting some person to go for a Constable; that constable did not come; some more assistance came of the neighbours; a desperate effort was made by the party to rescue him from the people who had him in possession; the attempt to rescue him, by bludgeons, and sticks, and desperate blows were received by those who held him; the prisoner made a desperate resistance himself to get away, by fighting and beating those about him. He was taken at last to the watchhouse, and there the property was delivered to the headborough.

Q. You say the case and the body of the watch were separated - A Yes, it is still altogether but in a divided state. The person who robbed me took the watch and chain altogether; he had full possession of it. I seized him by the collar, and fought for my watch. In the course of the scuffle, I said, give me my watch;

the case and chain did not fall out of his hand, it was the body that fell out of his hand. Mr. Shearman gave it me again; I did not see him pick it up.

JAMES SHEARMAN. I live in Church-street, Bethnel Green. On last Saturday night, about half past eight in the evening, I heard the cry of give me my watch; about ten yards from my house; I went out; I saw the prosecutor and the prisoner struggling together. I immediately laid hold of the prisoner, and sent some one to Mr. Jackson, the constable. I heard something drop on the stones.

Q. On seeing these persons, did you observe the prisoner - A. Yes; I knew the prisoner well before. I never let him go until he was taken to the watch-house. I heard something drop on the stones directly I said the words go to Mr. Jackson, the constable; it fell from the prisoner, as I supposed. I did not see it fall from the prisoner. Mr. Jackson, the constable, would not come and take the charge. I sent a woman for Mr. Hichman, the headborough, and while that woman was gone, another woman picked up the inside of the watch, and gave it to me.

Q. Did you observe the case, chain, and seal - A. Yes; I observed it when the prosecutor was wrenching it out of the prisoner's hand. I saw the case, chain and seals, fastened together; I saw them in the hands of the prisoner. I assisted in taking him to the watchhouse; in turning round the corner where the robbery took place, several unknown persons to me made an attempt to rescue the prisoner. I felt them push to endeavour to throw us down. The prisoner would not walk, he made us carry him.

Q. Did any blows pass - A. I did not see any. The prisoner endeavoured to rescue himself by biting my finger; I thought he would have bit it off. I received no blows; there were a great many people about us. I was inside, holding of the prisoner. I cannot say whether there were any blows or no. The prosecutor was walking by the side. My attention was taking up in holding the prisoner, in case he might get away. In going along to the watch-house, we were pushed into an entry; we pulled the prisoner out of there, and succeeded in taking the prisoner to the watchhouse.

ISAAC BOND I live at No. 19, Church-street. On last Saturday night, about half past eight, I heard the prosecutor cry out give me my watch, or words to that effect. I immediately ran to the spot, about thirty yards off. I then saw the prisoner struggling with the prosecutor and Mr. Shearman. I immediately laid hold of the prisoner. Mr. Shearman sent for Mr. Jackson; he did not come. My attention was particular taken up with the prisoner. I saw the watch first in the prosecutor's hand; I saw the body of the watch when we got to the watchhouse, not before. I was with them in the watchhouse. The prisoner would not walk to the watchhouse, he cried out as if we were murdering of him. He bit my hand as soon as I laid hold of him. There were a great mob; we were completely pushed about, out of the path at times. I did not observe any blows. The prosecutor received a blow-by the side of his head; I saw the marks of it when he came to the watch-house; who gave it him, I don't know. He said, he had been badley beat when he came to the watch-house.

SAMUEL ALLEN . On my road home, on Saturday evening, in Church-street, Bethnel Green, I saw the prisoner make a violent struggle to get away from the prosecutor and witnesses; the crowd made a great struggle to get the prisoner from them, and particularly they had great sticks, which I saw them make use of. I can only corroberate the testimony of the other witnesses.

Prisoner. Did you see any body receive any blows - A. I did; I received some myself.

Prisoner's Defence. I was going along; I was intoxicated; I had been to see my brother, who had been at sea thirteen years. I was in company of one man, who led me into it. That is all I know about it.

MR. HINCHMAN. I am an headborough. I produce the watch.

Prosecutor. That is the watch that was taken from me; it was mine; I delivered it to the headborough.

GUILTY - DEATH , aged 20.

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Baron Richards .

26th October 1814
Reference Numbert18141026-11

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879. CHARLES HASKE ALLEN was indicted, and the indictment stated, that at the time of committing the said felonies in the first eight counts mentioned in the indictment, he was a person employed in sorting letters and packets at the General Post office , at the parish of St. Mary Woolnoth, London , that he on the 20th of July , at the said parish, a certain letter then sent by the Post from Dartford, in Kent, to be delivered to James Wentworth , at Wandsworth, in the County of Surry, came to his hands while so employed as aforesaid, that he afterwards feloniously did secrete the said letter, then containing a 10 l. note .

SECOND COUNT, for stealing a 10 l. note out of the said letter, the property of James Wentworth .

THIRD COUNT, stating it to be a packet, instead of a letter.

AND OTHER COUNTS, stating it to be the property of George Hall .

RICHARD CLARK . In the month of July last, I was living at Dartford, with Mr. George Hall. On the 29th of July, I made up a letter to be sent to James Wentworth , of Wandworth; I enclosed in the letter a ten-pound note, the number of the note is 5325, dated 21st of May, 1814; having put that note in the letter, I wafered it; I myself, took the letter to the Post office. I was then in the employ of Mr. George Hall. This note was the property of Mr. George Hall, my employer.

Mr. Knapp. You say, you wafered this letter; you wafered the letter in an hurry, did not you, and you took it away to the Post office - A. No. I am particular in money matters; I put the impression of a stamp upon it. I am particular in money matters; about two hours after I had wafered and put the stamp, I carried it to the Post office. I am perfectly

convinced the wafer was holding when I took it to the office. The Post office is at Dartford; I put the letter into the box.

HENRY HORON . I was Post-master at Dartford. On the 19th of July last, I made up the letters for the London packet. I forwarded all the letters that ought to be forwarded; I cleaned the box.

CHARLES ROW . Q. What is your employ at the Post office - A. I receive the bags of letters that come from the Country. I was on duty on the 20th of July last.

Q. Can you say whether the Dartford bag arrived in its usual course on that morning - A. It did. The prisoner was on duty that morning; it was his duty to open it; in point of fact, he did open it.

Q. Was he employed in any other duty besides opening the bag that morning - A. Yes; he was clerk at the table; he had to sort his portion of letters at the table.

Q. Had he to separate the Country letters from London - A. I cannot speak to that.

CHARLES PEISSE . Q. On the 20th of July, were you employed in the General Post office - A. I was. I was at the same table with the prisoner at the bar; our first duty is to open the bags, and then to give them to the clerk to examine it. I assisted in sorting letters to the Country again.

Q. You assisted in sorting Country letters - A. Yes; I threw out those which were for the Two-penny Post.

Q. A Wandsworth letter would be separated from the London letters - A. Yes.

COURT. In the first instance, you separate all the London delivery from the Country delivery, and then you have them in two separations, those which are for the Two-penny Post; a Wandsworth letter would be delivered by the Two-penny Post - A. Yes. It was the prisoner's duty and mine, to tell the charge of the Two-penny Post.

Mr. Attorney General. For instance, suppose a hundred letters to be sent by the Two-penny Post, that hundred letters would be charged two-pence each, and a hundred two-pences would be the charge of that quantity of letters, that would be handed over - A. Yes.

Q. Did you upon that day secrete any letter that passed through your hands - A. The whole of the letters that came into my hands, I gave regularly over. We finished our duty by eight o'clock in the morning.

JAMES WENTWORTH. I live at Wandworth; I am a servant to Mr. George Hall, he is a millwright. The establishment is at Dartford. I was doing millwright work for him at Wandsworth.

Q. Did you on the 20th of July, receive any letter from Dartford - A. I did not; I expected one; it did not come. I expected a remittance of money; it never came.

Q. Has a bank note 5325 come to your hands for ten-pound - A. It never did. No letter came to my hands on that day. I received a letter on the 22nd, but not on the 20th.

ROBERT NASH . I am shopman to Mr. Ellsworth, linen-draper, Bishopsgate-street.

Q. Look at the prisoner, do you know him - A. Yes; I saw him on the 20th of July last, at Mr. Ellsworth's shop; I think about one or two o'clock; he came to buy some handkerchiefs; he bought six handkerchiefs, he paid for them in a ten-pound bank note; I desired him to put his address on it; he wrote his address on it.

Q. Look at that note - A. This is the note; he wrote what is written upon this note, C. Willbram, Trafalger-place, City-road. Mr. Ellsworth wrote his acceptance, T. E. the initials of Thomas Ellsworth .

Q. Did you know him before - A. I had seen him before. I saw the prisoner write this address myself; I handed him the pen.

Q. When did you see him again - A. I saw him again that day, about two hours afterwards; I saw him go down Bishopsgate-street, and I saw him again two or three days after that, going down Bishopsgate-street; I knew his person perfectly well.

Q. Where was it when you saw him again - A. At Giltspur-street Compter, about a week or a fortnight ago; I knew him as soon as I saw him; he was with several others. I have not the least doubt he is the person that came to our shop on that day.

Mr. Knapp. Q. You had seen the prisoner on the day before - A. No. I had seen him a dozen times before.

Q. You are speaking to the identity of a person that you saw in July - A. Yes. The ten-pound note drew my attention to him; from that circumstance, I have not the least doubt he is the person that gave me the note.

Q. to Mr. Clark. This bank note when put in at Dartford, was perfect in all its parts - A. Yes, it was.

Q. to Robert Nash . Was the bank note perfect in all its - A. I cannot speak to that; it had the appearance of a note in currency.

COURT. Q. to Peisse. Was the prisoner in the employ of the Post office - A. Yes, about fifteen or sixteen months.

PETER DOWLAND . Q. Are you in the office of Mr. Parkin, the Solicitor of the Post office - A. I am.

Q. Have you made deligent enquiry at Trafalger-place, to know whether any person of the name of Wellbram lived in Trafalger-place - A. Yes, I made every enquiry at every house; I could find no such person as Wilbram.

Q. to John Row. The prisoner was a clerk at the Post office, was he - A. Yes; he had been so fifteen or sixteen months.

(The note read.)

HUGH PARKIN . Q. You are a son of the Solicitor of the Post office - A. I am.

Q. Where did you get this note from - A. From the Inspector in the Bank of England; this note is cancelled in the usual way, by a hole being punched out. It was delivered to me in the usual way, by the Inspector of bank notes, I believe by Mr. Dawes.

The prisoner left his defence to his counsel, and called six witnesses, who gave him a good character.

GUILTY - DEATH , aged 16.

London jury, before Lord Ellenborough.

26th October 1814
Reference Numbert18141026-12
VerdictNot Guilty; Guilty > with recommendation

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880. WILLIAM KING and ROBERT KING were indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house of James Bloomfield , about the hour of four in the night of the 12th of October , and burglariously stealing therein, twenty four bottles of wine, value 5 l. his property.

JAMES BLOOMFIELD . I live in the Broadway Westminster ; I keep the public house there the Feathers . On the 13th of October, a little after four in the morning, I was alarmed by the patrol and watchman ringing of the bell; I went to the window they told me to come down stairs, as my cellar door was broken open. I came down stairs and found my cellar door broken open; the cellar door is underneath the house. I had seen it at eleven o'clock in the evening; the last time, it was perfectly fastened then; I am quite sure of that. I fastened it myself; there is a chain and bolt within side; I unlocked the door in the passage to go into the cellar; I went into the cellar; the patrol and watchman went into the cellar first and Robert King stood in the cellar; the patrols name is Leonard; he walked on first; I carried the light: I was behind him on the stairs; I drew back, and the prisoner, Robert King came up stairs. I bid not see the prisoner untill he came up the stairs. The patrol presented a pistol, and desired him to come forward, and come up stairs; the patrol presented his pistol and said he would shoot any body that bid not come forward; upon that, Robert King came forward I am sure it was him; he came up stairs immediately; we secured him, and took him to the watch-house. After that we went into the cellar, and examined it; there was no one there. He said, there had been two men, they were both gone; he said, he was coming by there about four o'clock in the morning. a man came out of the cellar with a basket in his hand. I asked him who he had with him; he said he did not know. The watchman told him he had better tell who they where; he said he knew nothing about them. We found seven bottles of wine standing by the cellar door, some on the butt head, and some on the floor.

Q. Were these bottles there when you left the cellar at night - A. No; they were in the wine cellar, and I had the key in my pocket. The wine cellar door was forced open by some sharp instrument or other.

Q. Did you observe any thing else besides - A. Some bottles on the floor that had been broken; they had been taken out of the wine cellar, and taken as far as the cellar door that goes out into the street. I missed nothing but the wine.

Q. Was there any wine taken away - A. There were to the amount of two dozen taken away from the bin. I found seven bottles, there were four broken; I missed two dozen entirely; how many more were taken away, I cannot say. The watchman told him in his way to Queen-square, he had better tell who was with him; he said, he knew nothing about them, he was going by promiscuously; the man told him going by if he would help him up with the basket, and go in for two or three bottles that were handy, he would give him one for his trouble. That is all he would say. When he went down for the bottles, the watchman closed the door upon him that is the way he was detained.

Q. Do you know any thing of William King - A. No; I only saw Robert King in the cellar.

Q. Were there any marks upon your bottles - A. There was a C. on the white wine bottles. It was quite dark at that time.

PARTRICK LEONARD. I am a patrol. I was going my round, on the morning of the 18th, my dog was with me, about three doors of Mr. Bloomfield's house, I saw William King pass by me, he came quite close to me; I looked very sharp at him: I was coming down Chapple street; when I came to Mr. Bloomfield's cellar, I saw the trap open; my dog had disturbed them; there was no soul coming either way but him; he was at the cellar door, he had a soldiers coat on; I could not see that he had any thing with him, but the big coat; he went on. When I came to Mr. Bloomfield's door, I found his trap door open; I waited a moment or so; I heard the noise of a foot among the broken bottles; I called to the watchman, and bid him pull the bell. I pulled out my pistol; I put the trap door too, and stood there untill we disturbed the Landlord. I told the Landlord to come down, there were robbers in the cellar; I went down with the pistol in my hand; I saw the prisoner, Robert King . between two butts in the corner of the cellar; I told him to come out, he came out directly; I took hold of him by the collar, and handed him to the watchman. Then I went down again; I searched all about, there were three bottles on the top of the butt full, and four down along side of it; I found part of three bottles that were broken, and the wine spilt, just by the side of the bottles; the wine cellar door was opened, the lock had been forced open; I went into the wine cellar; I saw the sawdust scattered about, and a bottle broken among the sawdust. Then I took the prisoner to the watch-house. I went to Mr. Bloomfields house again. After that I was going my round; I went to get a pint of beer at the wine vaults; the prisoner William King came in, this was five o'clock; we had done our duty then. When I was drinking my beer William King came into the house: I stepped forward to take him into custody; he ran off; I knew the prisoner again directly. I said that fellow is one that past me are at the time when I came to Mr. Bloomfield's to take his brother into custody in the cellar, I went after the prisoner, and seized him.

Q. You said you saw the prisoner, William King , with a soldiers great coat on - A. Yes.

WILLIAM PYEBY. I am the watchman. At half past four, just as the Abbey clock struck the half hour, the patrol called to me; I said all is well; he said, no, come this way. When I came up to him, I saw the cellar flap down, and one of the folding doors open; I said there is somebody in the cellar. I rung the bell for the landlord; the landlord lifted up his sash; I said, make haste down, your cellar is broken open, and I have a notion to think there is somebody in it. I afterwards went down into the cellar, and found Robert King concealed between two butts; I took Robert King into custody in the passage.

JAMES GILMORE . I am an officer. In consequence of information. I went to the prisoner William King 's lodging on the 14th; about one o'clock in noon day, I found William King in bed; partly dressed, and partly undressed, and under the bed we found this soldiers great coat; in the cupboard I discovered two bottles broken, and the corks drawed; this one had white wine in it very recently, and the other red. The next day I searched his lodgings again. I found in the cupboard this empty pistol.

Prosecutor. There is no marks to my bottles. I lost chiefly red wine; I think there might be a few bottles of white, but the red I perfectly know.

JOHN VAUGHN . I am a constable. I was with Gilmore and Watson. I can only say his evidence is correct.

JOHN WATSON . I am a constable. I was with the two last witnesses. I can say no more than Gillmore.

WILLIAM DAVEY . I am a patrol. I stood at the cellar trap while they went down into the cellar. I only saw Robert King there. I cannot say any other, than what Leonard has said, is all the fact.

William King 's Defence. The Pistol I have never used for many years; the other bottle was broken with no cork in it, and the great coat was thrown on the further side of the bed, not under the bed.

Robert King 's Defence. I cannot say any thing more than what I have said.



[The prisoner Robert King was recommended to mercy by the jury, and the prosecutor, on account of his youth ]

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. Baron Richards ,

26th October 1814
Reference Numbert18141026-13
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence

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881. WILLIAM KING . was indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house of William Hearn , about the hour of two in the night of the 10th of October , with intent to steal and burglariously stealing therein, two gallons of peppermint, value, 36 s. one gallon and a half of shrub, value. 24 s. one gallon of brandy bitters, value, 10 s. 6 d. and three casks, value 7 s 3 d. his property.

WILLIAM HEARN . On Monday night, the 10th of October, my cellar was fast at eleven o'clock my cellar window is under my bar window, at the front. I fastened the cellar window myself; I went down about eleven o'clock to see that every thing was fast; I saw every thing was fast at eleven o'clock, On the next morning, I went down into my cellar to get some liquors to put into my bar; I missed three casks, one of peppermint, another of shrub, and the other containing brandy bitters, but they were not all full; the shrub was two gallons, value twenty four shillings, the peppermint, thirty six shillings, the brandy bitters; half a guinea, and the casks, seven and three pence I had seen all this in my cellar the night before when I closed the cellar, and when I went into the cellar in the morning it was gone. I looked at the cellar window; the bolt of the cellar window had been wrenched off; I imagine by a crow; there was the impression of a crow. I did not see the crow, only the mark of a crow. or some other instrument. I heard no noise in the night. I have a witness here that did.

MRS. WEBBERS. I live next door to Mr. Hearn. On the 10th of October in the morning, I heard a noise near my cellar window. I had some lodgers which I had tored to take their goods out, I was fearful it was them taking their goods out, it was not, because I found their goods in the room in the morning.

JOHN GILLMORE. I am an officer. I went with Waller and Wetson to the lodging of the prisoner, on Friday the 14th of October, to the prisoners lodging in Vine Street, within two hundred yards of the prosecutors house. On searching the lodging's I found these small slaves, and two pieces of heading; the heads have got the prosecutor's name, written in chalk upon them. We found several hoops in the fire, and two pieces of heading, and we found more pieces of staves burning, and in the same room we found a bottle containing rather better than a quart of brandy bitters, in a stone bottle.

Q. Nobody lays claim to that bottle, do they - A. No. Mr. Hearn was desirous of trying the bitters with those of his own. I gave Waller, the constable, the bitters to take to Mr. Hearn, for Mr. Hearn to compare it.

JOHN WALLER . I am a constable of St. Martin's. I received the betters of Gillmore, to take to Mr. Hearn; I delivered them back to Gillmore; they never were out of my custody.

THOMAS MILLS . I live at No. 6, Anderson's-walk, Vauxhall; I am a servant to Mr. Barnett, and sons, distillers. The staves produced by Gillmore, are part of Messrs. Barnett and sons casks.

Prosecutor. I compared the bitters with Mills the distillers man; they are equally a likewith mine, in every respect; they are the same in taste and smell; I really believe the bitters came out of my cask. I have not the least doubt it is the same as what I had in my cask.

Mills. These staves are part of a cask sent by Robert Barnett and sons to Mr. Hearn, with bitters; here is Mr. Barnett's race mark on them here, and here is the head on which Mr. Hearn's name is chalked by myself I am in the habit of writing in chalk on the head every persons name, that the carman might know how to deliver them. Gillmore found the head of this cask in the prisoner's room; this cask had peppermint in it; there is P M, denoting peppermint, that I wrote myself.

Q. to Prosecutor. Had your name been writ upon the casks that were missing - A. Yes, and I have no doubt the cask with my name chalked on it. That is the cask.

Q. to Mills. Do you know the staves - A. I do, by the race mark, and I know the cask by my writing upon the head; the staves answer with the head; they are three gallon cask staves, and this is a three gallon cask head.

JOHN WATSON . I am a constable. I went with Gillmore and Waller to the lodging of the prisoner; he was in bed when he was apprehended. I took these two pieces of the cask out of the grate, they were burning; I found the other pieces at the bottom of the cupboard, in the prisoner's room; it was

there with a number of hoops, now present; these are the hoops of three cags.

Q. to Mills. Look at these hoops; can you tell how many casks these hoops formed - A. They belong to three casks, twelve hoops upon three casks; here are nineteen there ought to be thirty six: these hoops had been on more than one cask; some were two gallons, and some three gallon cask hoops; the name is written by myself; that head was a three gallon cask of peppermint.

Prisoner's Defence. I bought two casks of a man up by St. Giles's church, they were empty casks; part of the staves were in one of them; he had a stone bottle in his hand, for which I gave him five shillings. I asked him how he came by them; he said, he had been cleaning out a publican's cellar, and what was in the bottle was damaged shrub.

GUILTY - DEATH , aged 23.