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11th January 1809
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THE WHOLE PROCEEDINGS On the KING's Commission of the PEACE OYER AND TERMINER, AND GOAL DELIVERY FOR THE CITY OF LONDON, AND ALSO THE GOAL DELIVERY FOR THE COUNTY OF MIDDLESEX, HELD AT Justice-Hall, in the Old Bailey, On WEDNESDAY the 11th of JANUARY, 1809, and following Days;

BEING THE SECOND SESSION IN THE MAYORALTY OF The Right Honourable CHARLES FLOWER , LORD-MAYOR OF THE CITY OF LONDON.

TAKEN IN SHORT-HAND BY JOB SIBLY, FOR R. BUTTERS, No. 117, ALDERSGATE-STREET.

LONDON:

PRINTED AND PUBLISHED (BY THE AUTHORITY OF THE CORPORATION OF THE CITY OF LONDON) By R. BUTTERS, No. 22, Fetter Lane, Fleet Street.

THE WHOLE PROCEEDINGS On the KING's Commission of the PEACE, OYER AND TERMINER, AND GOAL DELIVERY FOR THE CITY OF LONDON.

Before the Right-honourable CHARLES FLOWER , Lord Mayor of the City of London; Sir Alexander Thompson , knt. One of the Barons of His Majesty's Court of Exchequer; Sir Simon Le Blanc , knt. One of the Justices of His Majesty's Court of King's Bench; Sir Alan Chambre , knt. One of the Justice of His Majesty's Court of Common Pleas; Sir Watkin Lewes , knt.; Sir Richard Carr Glyn , bart.; Sir John Perring , bart. Aldermen of the said City; John Silvester , esq. Recorder of the said City; Sir Matthew Bloxam , knt. William Domville , esq. John Atkins , esq. Aldermen of the said City; and Newman Knowlys , esq. Common Serjeant of the said City; His Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer of the City of London, and Justices of Goal Delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City and County of Middlesex.

London Jury.

James Gray

William Rosser

Ralph Massey

John Smith

Benjamin Sadler

William Henley

George Woolley

Thomas Woods

William Ewsters

William Brass

John Thomas

Thomas Dobican .

First Middlesex Jury.

Thomas Oliver

John Warren

William Gibbs Roberts

Thomas Fisher

James Smith

James Hardy

Thomas Humley

John Shelton

Henry Ramsey

James Whitehead

John Smith

George Potter .

Second Middlesex Jury.

Richard Packer

George Tarrington

Michael Biggs

James Foreman

Christopher Dresser

John King

John Lampert

Daniel Vellom

Joseph Hancock

Thomas Alwright

William Berry

Joseph Hurdley .

MARY EDWARDS.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-1
VerdictGuilty
SentenceImprisonment > house of correction; Miscellaneous > fine

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89. MARY EDWARDS was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 20th of December , two sheets, value 5 s. a table cloth, value 2 s. and a coverlid, value 3 s. the property of the governors of the London hospital .

SECOND COUNT the property of Catherine Leblone .

The case was stated by Mr. Gurney.

ELIZABETH ABBOTT . I am a nurse in the London Hospital .

Q. In the month of December last, was the prisoner a night nurse - A. Yes.

Q. Before the 21st of December had you missed any thing - A. Yes, a sheet, a tablecloth, and a cover-lid, I missed at one time.

Q. On the 21st of December had the prisoner been out - A. Yes; she came home about eight o'clock in the evening, quite intoxicated with liquor; she was unable to go up stairs; I and Jane Pierpoint undressed her and put her to bed; we were obliged to cut all the strings of her clothes, and on shaking the pockets four duplicates fell out. These are the duplicates.

JANE PIERPONT . Q. Did you assist in undressing of the prisoner - A. Yes; after her pockets were taken off I turned them bottom upwards, shook them, and the duplicates fell out

BENJAMIN MATTHEWS . I am a servant of Mr. Burton, pawnbroker, Whitechapel. On the 8th of December last, the prisoner pawned a sheet for two shillings and sixpence, in the name of Ann Edwards ; on the 15th of November I took in a table cloth of her for two shillings; on the 1st of December I lent her two shillings on the second sheet.

CHRISTIAN MATTHEWS . I am a pawnbroker in the Minories; I took in a coverlid of the prisoner, I lent her one shilling and sixpence on it.

The property produced and identified.

Prisoner's Defence. I was taken ill; I owed some money to a person who threatened to summons me; I took these things to make up the money.

The prisoner called one witness, who gave her a good character

GUILTY , aged 37.

Confined One Year in the House of Correction , and fined One Shilling .

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. Common Serjeant.

MARGARET HARRINGTON.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-2
VerdictGuilty
SentenceDeath

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90. MARGARET HARRINGTON, alias FALBY, alias PEGGY SULLIVAN , was indicted for that she at the general quarter sessions of the peace, holden for the county of Middlesex, on the 29th of November, in the 44th year of his Majesty's reign, was tried and convicted of being a common utterer of false and counterfeited money, and was sentenced by the court to be imprisoned in New Prison in Clerkenwell for the term of one year, and at the expiration of that term to find sureties for her good behaviour for two years more; that she on the 1st of December last, a piece of false and counterfeited money, made and counterfeited to the likeness of a shilling, as and for a good shilling unlawfully did utter to Joseph Ballard , she well knowing it to be false and counterfeited .

The case was stated by Mr. Knapp.

JOSIAH GILL SEWELL. - Mr. Arabin. You are clerk to the solicitor of the Mint - A. I am; I produce the copy of the record of the conviction of the prisoner; I took the copy from the clerk of the court; I have examined it with the original in the court; it is a true copy. (Read in court.)

WILLIAM BEEBY . - Mr. Arabin. You are clerk to Mr. Newport, the keeper of New Prison, Clerkenwell - A. I am.

Q. Was the prisoner at the bar the same person as described in November sessions, 1808 - A. Yes, she was.

COURT. What was she tried for - A. For uttering counterfeit money; I was present when she was tried and convicted; she was sent to be imprisoned one year in New Prison, and to find sureties for her good behaviour for two years to come.

Mr. Arabin. Did you take her into custody - A. I did; I am sure of her person; she remained one year in Mr. Newport's care.

JOSEPH BALLARD . - Mr. Knapp. You are a fruiterer in Covent Garden market - A. I bring it there to sell.

Q. Look round and tell me whether you remember seeing the prisoner at the bar on the 1st of December last - A. I do; I saw her at Covent Garden market; she came to purchase a basket of apples, of the price of four shillings and sixpence; she turned them out of my basket into her own and gave me four shillings and sixpence; I signified to her that the money was bad and that twice she had given me such money as that; I do not remember exactly the words that I spoke; she said give it me again and I will give you a seven shilling piece.

Q. Did she shew you the seven shilling piece - A. She never shewed me a seven shilling piece.

Q. Did you part with the money that she had shewed you - A. No; she signified that she had lost her pocket or left it at home, I do not know which, and run away immediately; I pursued her and caught her, and brought her back with great difficulty; I got a porter in the market to assist me; she was taken to the watchhouse.

Q. Do you know Bergin - A. Yes; he came afterwards; there were several that had hold of her.

Q. Did you go with her to the watchhouse - A. No, I saw her well secured; I could not leave the fruit.

Q. Did you keep possession of the money - A. I did, I have kept it ever since; I produce the four shillings and sixpence.

Prisoner. Mr. Ballard is telling a parcel of lies.

COURT to Ballard. Had you known the woman before - A. I am not perfect in that.

JOHN BERGIN . - Mr. Arabin. You are a salesman are not you, and where - A. Yes, at Covent Garden.

Q. On the 1st of December do you recollect the first witness being there - A. Yes, and the prisoner also.

COURT. Where was she - A. In Covent Garden market, a few yards from my stand; when I heard of the piece of work, then I went up; a porter had her in custody; then there was a great many people round her; they said she had more in her hand.

Q. Did she hear the crowd say she had more in her hand - A. I think she must, they said it loud enough; I saw some papers in her hand, I caught hold of her hand, and after great difficulty I got her hand open, and with assistance I took from it seven bad shillings; they were in paper.

Mr. Arabin. Before you took this from her hand, did you see any thing drop from her hand - A. Three shillings dropped from her hand on the ground; as I was getting the others I saw the three shillings drop from her hand; I had them given to me; the three shillings were never out of my sight.

Q. Did you afterwards take the paper from her hand - A. I took the paper and the seven shillings altogether from her; the three shillings besides sell out from between her fingers. I have had these shillings in my possession ever since; they have been locked up in a box; these are the same, there is ten altogether.

EDWARD RUSSEL . Q. What are you - A. I am a fruit salesman in Covent Garden. I saw the prisoner in custody; she was trying to get away from them, she ran up against me and laid hold of my arm; I thought she was going to put some of the money about the cuff of my coat; I pulled my arm away and she dropped a sixpence from her hand; I picked it up; that is the sixpence, I have had it ever since, and kept it separate from any other.

MR. JOHN NICHOLL . Q. You are one of the moniers of his Majesty's mint - A. I am.

Q. I now put into Mr. Nicholls' hand the four shillings and sixpence that was first tendered - A. They are all counterfeits, and very bad.

COURT. They were never coined in the Mint - A. No.

Q. I now put into Mr. Nicholls' hand the ten shillings that were produced by Bergin - A. These are all counterfeits, and the sixpence that Mr. Russel picked up is also a counterfeit.

Prisoner's Defence. I got up in the morning, I went to market, I had a guinea in my pocket; I met three or four women that I knew, I had not seen them for upwards of a twelvemonth; I took them into a wine vaults to treat them with half a pint of gin; we had three half pints of gin there: I called for change of the guinea to pay for the gin; she offered me all halfpence, I told her they would not take them in the market; then I called for another half pint, that was four half pints; there was a man came in, she asked the man to change the guinea for me; he said he would if he could; so I reached the guinea to the man, and then I paid the woman for the four half pints of gin; she gave me a bit of paper to put the change in; I put the change in my hand till I came to the market; I went round the market; I asked a man what was the price of a bushel of apples, he said six shillings; I came over to this man, I asked him what he asked, he said some seven shillings and some five shillings; I said I could not make the money of them; he said have that bushel of apples at four shillings and sixpence; so then I reached him four shillings and sixpence out of my hand; this four shillings and sixpence he reached to another man; that man said it was good; he reached it to another; I said there is so much reaching of the money, reach it to me if you do not like it, I will give you a seven shilling piece; then I went to put my hand into my right hand pocket, I found I had not my pocket on, my child took it out of my hand in the morning when I got up; I told him to leave the apples in my basket till I went home and brought him the seven shilling piece; I told him I got change of the guinea in the morning, whether good or bad I did not know; with that he got hold of me and dragged me from one to another; I said do not use me ill, I am willing to go very easy if you get a constable; I thought he would have taken my life away from me; I was sick six weeks, he gave me such a beating; he dragged me to the watchhouse and got me down in the hole, he began to lather me; the women could not get him out.

GUILTY - DEATH , aged 45.

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Baron Thompson.

ANN MASON.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-3
VerdictNot Guilty

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91. ANN MASON was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 16th of December , a cheese, value 10 s. the property of Frances Hill , window.

WILLIAM CORY . I conduct the business for the widow Mrs. Hill, a cheesemonger in Thames street. On the 16th of December we were taking in a load of cheese from the Custom house quay ; it is customary with us to take a certain number at a time; we loaded five on a stall board; the prisoner came by in about five minutes afterwards and took one of these five and put it under her cloak.

Q. What time of the day was it - A. About four o'clock in the afternoon.

Q. Did you see the prisoner take it - A. No, I was informed by a child that she had taken a cheese off the stall board; he shewed me the woman, I pursued her and found it under her cloak; I brought her back into the shop and took the cheese from her and took her before the lord mayor.

WILLIAM BERRY DODSON , the constable, called, and not appearing in court with the property, the prisoner was

ACQUITTED .

London jury, before Mr. Recorder.

RICHARD GURNEY.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-4
VerdictGuilty > pleaded guilty
SentenceImprisonment > newgate; Miscellaneous > fine

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92. RICHARD GURNEY was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 6th of January , a memorandum book, value 6 d. five receipt stamps, value 1 s. the property of William Pearson .

To this indictment the prisoner pleaded -

GUILTY .

Confined One Month in Newgate , and fined One Shilling .

London jury, before Mr. Recorder.

ANN GREEN, MARY COX.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-5
VerdictNot Guilty

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93. ANN GREEN and MARY COX were indicted for feloniously stealing on the 7th of January , eleven yards of ribbon, value 5 s. 6 d. the property of Robert Yorke .

ANN YORKE . I live in Fleet market. On Saturday last, between four and five o'clock, the two prisoners were in my shop; my husband is a butcher , I keep a haberdasher's shop on the other side of Fleet market . I know nothing of the transaction myself.

ANN FISHER . I went into Mrs. Yorke's shop on Saturday afternoon between four and five o'clock; the two prisoners were in Mrs. Yorke's shop; the tallest of the two prisoners took a ball of blue ribbon out of the first drawer that shopwoman shewed her, she said there was none in that drawer that would not; the shopwoman shewed her another drawer of ribbons; and she took out another ball of ribbons; I asked the shopwoman if she had another person that could serve; she

directed me to go to the parlour; I went to the parlour and called Mrs. Yorke.

Q. Did you see either of the prisoners take the ribbons - A. I saw Ann Green take two balls, one out of the first drawer and the other out of the second drawer. She concealed them under her great coat; a gentleman in the house stopped them; he picked up the balls of ribbon.

MR. WHEATLEY. I was at Mrs. Yorke's in the parlour; she said there were two women in the shop that she suspected of taking something; I came out and charged Ann Green with having taken something; she endeavoured to give it to the other; I endeavoured to take it from her, she dropped it on the floor. I picked it up and gave it to the officer when he came.

Q. You are sure you saw Ann Green drop it - A. Yes.

JEMIMA WICKES . I am shopwoman to Mrs. Yorke. On Saturday last, about four o'clock in the afternoon, the two prisoners came in the shop together; they asked to look at some ribbons.

Q. Which of them asked - A I do not know which, they both spoke together; I shewed them a drawer of ribbons; I suspected the motion of Ann Green's hands, I did not see them take any thing; they both put their hands in the drawer and took the ribbons to look at them together; I called Mrs. Yorke; Ann Green was charged with having the ribbon; I had spoke to the witness Fisher; she said she had seen her take it. When I charged Green with having the ribbon, she let it drop.

The property produced and identified.

Green's Defence. I met with this young woman, I asked her where she was going, she said she was going to buy two yards of ribbon for her head; we saw some ribbon in the window, we went in the shop and asked what the price of it was: the shopwoman said she had some in the drawer that came to eight pence; she took two pieces of ribbon to take two yards off; it rolled off the counter; the gentleman came round and said I dropped it.

Cox's Defence. I went into the shop to buy a couple of yards of ribbon with this young woman; the gentleman came round and said this young woman had some ribbon; he turned round and knocked the ribbon down with his elbow; I never put my hand in the box.

NOT GUILTY .

London jury, before Mr. Recorder.

JOHN MILES SIMPSON.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-6
VerdictGuilty
SentenceImprisonment > house of correction; Miscellaneous > fine

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94. JOHN MILES SIMPSON was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 30th of December , a great coat, value 30 s. the property of Richard Temple .

THOMAS WILLIAMS . I live servant with Dr. Temple, Bedford row . Last Friday week, a little after nine o'clock in the evening, there came a knock or a ring at the door; I opened the door, the prisoner asked me was the doctor at home; I said at this moment he is just gone out, but I expect he will be in soon; he said have you any body in the house that can give me an answer to this letter; I told him yes, if you walk in possibly they can; he gave me a letter into my hand, I told him to walk into the hall; this is the letter: he came into the hall, and I shut the door; I left him in the hall and was going up to my mistress in the drawing room with the letter, I heard the street door open when I was half way going up; I saw the prisoner lay hold of the blue great coat, he let it go and took this one; there were two great coats hanging up in the hall when he took this one; he got towards the door, I jumped down after him; when he saw me he went to shut the door; I got my knee against the door and kept it open; I went to lay hold of him, he let the great coat fall off his arm, made a swing, and got away from me. I picked up the great coat.

Q. At the time you picked up the great coat was it without the street door - A. Yes; he ran towards James street; I pursued him; the watchman sprang his rattle, he turned down King's road, I was as near him as possible; I saw a man lay hold of him, he was never out of my sight. (The letter read.)

The property produced and identified.

WILLIAM HINDE . Q. Do you remember on Friday sennight hearing the cry of stop thief - A. Yes; I was just below Mr. Garrow's door in Bedford row; I saw the prisoner running and several others after him.

Q. Did you see that servant, the black man - A. Yes; the prisoner turned towards King's road; I stopped him; the servant came up, we took him back to Dr. Temple's house, and from there to the watchhouse.

Prisoner's Defence. My lord, I will endeavour to occupy the time of the court as little as possibly I can. I have been in the habit of teaching privately; from the unexpected loss of several scholars, I was a long time almost without employment, with a family of six children; I was obliged to let my rent run very much behind; the consequence was I was not able to pay the debt, for which I happened to be arrested; and having spent all the money I could raise by my clothes to support myself and family while I was in prison; I got released by a lady who was my scholar; I then had a situation to go into the country, but unfortunately my wife was taken in labour six weeks before she expected. I have since got some little employment by writing. I have now another child; the youngest is five months, and the second not twenty months, driven to the utmost distress; hearing my little children crying for bread, and I had none for them, on my coming by Dr. Temple's house the coat struck me - I had not strength to resist the temptation, but yielded to the weakness of my nature.

GUILTY , aged 45.

Confined Six Months in the House of Correction , and fined One Shilling .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. justice Le Blanc.

JOHN BAKER.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-7
VerdictNot Guilty

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95. JOHN BAKER, alias TURNWELL , was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling house of Catherine dowager countess of Morton, about the hour of eight at night on the 5th of October , with intent the goods and chattels of the said dwelling house then and there burglariously to steal .

SECOND COUNT for like offences, stating it to be the dwelling house of Catherine Douglas , widow , commonly called the countess dowager of Morton .

THIRD COUNT the dwelling house of Catherine Douglas only.

The case was stated by Mr. Andrews.

JOHN FOY . Q. You are a constable of Marlborough street - A. I am.

Q. In consequence of information that you had received, did you proceed in the month of October to lady Morton's house - A. I did.

Q. Did you go to a house where Decaux lived - A. I did.

Q. Where is lady Morton's house - A. In Park street, St. George's, Hanover square , the back of it goes into Park lane. The house that Decaux lived in is opposite of lady Morton's house.

Q. What day of the month was it that you went to Decaux's house - A. On the 4th, about half after eight, I went into the parlour.

Q. What time of the night was it that you saw any person come to lady Morton's house - A. At half after twelve, I saw five persons.

Q. Do you know the prisoner Baker - A. I did not.

Q. Did you observe the persons of these five men particularly so as to know them - A. I did not.

Q. Are you able to say whether Baker was one of these five men - A. I cannot say that.

Q. What did these five persons do - A. Three of them went to the iron area gate, and two of them went to the street door, they looked at each; the watchman was coming past crying half after twelve; they went away, I saw no more of them that night. On the 5th, about half after six, I went to lady Morton's house before it was dark; in my way to the house, about half after five, I was crossing Chapel street, I observed five men standing at the post at the corner of Chapel street in Park lane, two of them was Starkey and Lasper; I had known them before, they had their faces towards me; I did not know any of the others, their backs were towards me. I went on to lady Morton's house, where Jackson, one of the constables, was waiting; I walked about some little time to get unobserved in the house by the people that were there. After I had been there a little time my brother and Budgell came in; I found Jackson in the house, he had gone earlier in the evening. We four officers then went down into a room that opens out of the house into the area, we remained there some time, I suppose at least an hour, then I heard the area gate unlock, and some persons come down the steps to the area door, I heard them attempting to unlock it, they were as much as twenty minutes changing the keys; I heard them changing the keys; they could not unlock it; and some person, that seemed to me as if he was standing upon the top of the area steps in the street, called out d - n you, send it in; I believe it was the one at the door then said, hand me down the jemmy.

Q. That means an iron crow - A. Yes. I heard the crow directly put into the door, they began to wrench it at the outside, after wrenching it several times and stopping now and then. There was a bell hung behind the door; when they wrenched the bell rung, they stopped a bit then, at last they wrenched it open; one of them came into the passage immediately and called to the others, come along, it is all right; some of the others said, now get a light; I heard them go along the passage, and it seemed to me to be the feet of four people by the sound, as nigh as I could guess; they went up stairs, I could hear them walk about the back parlour, over my head; I had pulled my boots off before that; I went up after them, my brother, Thomas Foy , Jackson, and Budgell, followed me; we had no light; I saw there was a light in the back parlour, I went into the parlour immediately, there I saw four men, three in one corner of the room, and one by the fire place, nearer to me.

Q. Did you know either of them men - A. I did not.

Q. Did they see you - A. Yes; they put out their lights immediately, they seemed to me to have two lights. I laid hold of the one nearest me by the fire place, it was dark then, I held him for a second, I had only got one hand to lay hold him, I had my cutlass in my other hand; he struck me across the breast and shoved me to the other side of the room, and then I was close to these people, I then heard a striking against the wainscoat near me; I thought it was a crow at the time.

Q. Did it appear to you that they were striking at you - A. I thought it then; there was nobody else in the room as I know to assist me at the time; I drew a pistol and fired at the place where the noise came from; I followed them up into a little passage about as big as where I now stand; then there were four of us in this little place; they shoved me back again; as soon as they shoved me into the room I heard a door burst open; I called to the other officers to bring me a light, which they did immediately; as soon as they brought me a light I followed them into the yard, I saw which way they had gone, through a door that leads into the back yard.

COURT. The door that was open communicated to the back yard - A. To the back yard: when I got out there I saw Starkey had got on the back office.

Q. Describe the situation you found him in - A. I found him getting up from off his knee upon the coping of one of the back offices; there is a side wall adjoins the house; he was getting off that and getting on one of the offices; I ran round and got into Park lane, he had jumped off the wall and broke his leg, he was laying under the wall; I had him taken back to the house and I went back to examine the place.

Mr. Andrews. Did you observe what became of either of the other three - A. I did not then; they must all have escaped the same way. One of them went over the wall of the next yard; I did not see him, we found that afterwards. When I returned to see the state of the house, in the parlour I saw a man's hat and some blood, and the ball of the pistol sticking in the door; I found an iron crow, six skeleton keys, and a piece or cotton of a candle, where Starkey had gone over the parapet of the wall; he had dropped them before he got over.

COURT. Where was it you found them - A. This door out of the parlour opens to a flat which covers a kitchen below; then along the yard there is another place which makes it level with Park lane wall; that was where I found them and that was where I saw Starkey getting up, where I found them. I sent Starkey to the infirmary to be taken care of. I found the door that leads into the yard broken open, with the lock broke; the door they went out of. The door of the area into the house was broken open with an iron crow; it was evident the door had been forced with a crow, and I have no doubt but that is the crow; I compared the crow to the marks, it tallied; I matched the skeleton keys, none of them would unlock the area door; one of them opened the area gate.

Q. Shortly after this Lasper was taken into custody - A. Lasper was taken immediately after; Cavill was not taken for a fortnight after.

Cross-examined by Mr. Arabin. You did not know Baker till he was taken up - A. I did not.

Q. This offence was committed in the month of October - A. Yes.

Q. And Baker has been recently taken up - A. Yes.

PETER DECAUX . Q. What are you - A. I am a

carpenter and joiner.

Q. Where were you living in October last - A. No. 4, Park lane; the house is nearly opposite to lady Morton's house; we can see what passes at lady Morton's door.

Q. On Thursday evening about the 1st of October, tell us what you observed - A. As I was going home from my pay table, King street, Swallow street, about half past eleven or a little more, I saw five men standing at lady Morton's door. I passed by them, I came round and I saw one I knew of the name of Cavill. The watchman came by calling past twelve, he disturbed them. I observed Thomas Cavill , he had worked with me for a week or a fortnight; as to the others I did not know them at the present time; after I had passed them, I came round to my own door to go to bed; I saw no more of them that evening. On the Sunday I went to the Bleeding Hart in Drury lane; Cavill told me that he used that house at the time he worked with me. I saw Starkey, Lasper, and Cavill, at the Bleeding Hart, in company with the prisoner.

COURT. Did the prisoner make a part of the company, or was he by himself - A. He was with them and drinking with them. John Cavill mentioned lady Morton's house. I did not hear the man at the bar say any thing about it.

Q. How near was Baker at that time to Cavill - A. Close, by touching him at the same table.

Mr. Andrews. Are you able to say that Baker, the man you saw on the Sunday, was one of the five men you saw about lady Morton's house - A. That I can not say any thing at all about. I went again to the Bleeding Hart on the Monday, there I saw the prisoner Cavill, Lasper, and Starkey, they were in company then; the prisoner and Cavill went down to Park street to look at the house.

Q. How do you know that they went to Park street - A. They mentioned it when they came back; I heard them say they were going to Park street; Cavill said to Baker, will you take a walk with me, Jack the Baker said he would go with him; I sat there till they returned; they might be gone about two hours or more, they returned both together, Cavill and Jack the Baker. Upon their return, Lasper said to Cavill, well, what do you think of it, how is it; (Lasper and Starkey had remained in the tap room all the time); the prisoner at the bar said, I think it is a good thing; they then called for a pot of porter and drank together; then Cavill said, I will go and see where so and so is and borrow the tools. Jack the Baker, the prisoner, made answer, I will go with you, Cavill replied with all my heart; they came back again, Lasper said how is it, the prisoner answered, why he is gone to Croydon fair with his girl, we must leave it alone to night; both Baker and Cavill said so. I then came away. I went again on the Tuesday to the Bleeding Hart. Jack the Baker and Cavill went to this person again, they did not mention the name; they went again after the tools, they came back and said it was all right.

Q. Which of them said that - A. Cavill said it was all right; Cavill asked what time they should meet, the prisoner said about nine o'clock, Lasper said he thought it as good a time as any; but where they did not mention in my hearing; they were to do the trick at eleven, Cavill said that. I then proceeded to Marlborough street, and gave information to the officers.

COURT. What time of the day was it you went to the Bleeding Hart - A. About three in the afternoon; it was about seven o'clock when I came away from the Bleeding Hart.

Q. You say you went to the public office - A. I went to the public house opposite of the office; I acquainted Mr. Foy of it, he spoke to his brother officers; I told them to be at such a place, and I would secure them a place whereby they should be secure from the sight of them, at the house kept by my wife for lady Steward: I lived at that house with my wife, I would be there ready to let them in about nine o'clock; the officers came on Tuesday evening, I put them in the front parlour; we then waited there till about half past twelve o'clock; at that time there were five men came up to lady Morton's door; I was then in the front room along with the officers; five men went up the steps of the street door, three of them came down to the area gate, and the others might be upon the steps for about a minute or two; the watchman came and called half an hour after twelve o'clock; they then dispersed, I saw no more of them that night.

Q. Did you distinguish who they were - A. The prisoner was one, I am sure of that; it was a bright moon light night at the time, and I had taken particular notice of the persons before, I knew them all by sight, and the names by which they called one other I took down on paper, and the description; I went the next day to the Bleeding Hart, about ten in the morning, and saw Cavill, Lasper, Starkey, and Jack the Baker, they were all in company together; I heard them talking about meeting Jem Britten at five o'clock; Cavill then said it was all right; the prisoner said I have got a jemmy, it is a d - d good one; when I heard them say they were to meet at five o'clock, I immediately went and gave the officers information; Jackson came about five o'clock, John Foy came about half past five; the other officers did not get in till near six; I went to lady Morton's house about five o'clock. As soon as I acquainted the officers to meet me at the house I went to inform the girl of it; after Jackson and me were in house I heard a knock at the door; this was about half after five or a little better.

Mr. Andrews. It was not dark then - A. No, it was not; Lasper came up to the door and knocked; I opened the door and pulled my head back; the woman of the house and my wife were in the house at the same time; my wife answered when the door was opened; he asked whether general Douglas lived there.

COURT. Did you see who the person was that asked the question - A. Yes, I had placed myself behind the door to observe through the crack; I observed him and the rest of the men on the pavement, I saw them between the hinges of the door, I knew their faces.

Mr. Andrews. Tell us who they were - A. There was Lasper, Starkey, Jack Baker and Cavill; there were five altogether; four standing at the bottom of the steps at the time Lasper was standing at the door, asking if general Douglas lived there; the answer was made to the men there was no such a person there; they immediately then went away. I stopped in the house till John Foy came in, and then I went out; that was about a quarter to six o'clock; exactly I cannot say.

Q. What direction did you take - A. I turned to the right towards South street; I saw the five men, Lasper, Starkey, Jem Britten, Cavill, and the prisoner; I am

sure the prisoner was one of them. I then followed them up South street into South Audley street, round to Chapel street, down to Park street again.

Q. Making a little circuit and then returning to lady Morton's house again - A. Yes; still keeping in company together; after they came into Park street, they went into Park lane; my wife and the young woman of the house were coming out then; Cavill and the prisoner followed the two girls in Grovesnor square; I followed them at a distance; they came back after seeing them into the square; they returned to their partners; Cavill said it was all right; they went round to South street, to my lady Morton's house; I was still keeping my eye upon them, I was in South street, I stood by the public house. They went up to the gate of lady Morton's house, all five; Starkey and Jem Britten remained at the gate, the other three passed on a little way.

COURT. What time in the evening was this - A. That I cannot say, it might be about seven o'clock at night.

Mr. Andrews. Was it dark - A. It was duskish; they opened the area gate and went away; by persons passing they were disturbed.

Q. Did you observe how they opened the area gate - A. They opened it with something they had in their hands, I cannot exactly say what it was; as soon as they opened it Starkey said it was all right.

COURT. How near were you to them when he said that - A. I was about three doors off, standing at the public house the corner of South street; as soon as the people had passed they returned again, three of them then went down the area steps, Starkey, Britten, and Lasper; they were trying at the door some considerable time; I heard a bell ring, I supposed it was the bell of the door, and I heard the door crack; I was then opposite, at my own door; I supposed the door was then opened; just before that one of them, (Lasper,) came up the steps and halloed out bring the jemmy this way.

Q. He came up the steps - A. Yes, just to the top; the prisoner and Cavill were standing at the corner of South street about three house off.

Q. Fix exactly, if you can, the hour, what time in the evening it was when you heard the bell ring - A. It might be seven o'clock, past seven, it might be a quarter after, as near as I can tell.

Q. How was the light at that time - A. It was dark at that time, it was duskish; I was about four or five houses off; it was not very dark and it was not very light.

Q. Were there any remains of the light of the day - A. No, very little indeed; it was so dark that I could distinguish a person about three houses off by the lamps.

Q. Was it in your judgment any remains of day then - A. No, not any; it was not real dark nor real light.

Mr. Andrews. Could you have discovered their faces without the assistance of the lamps - A. I could the distance I was off them at that time.

COURT. It was duskish but not dark - A. Not so dark as it was afterwards; it was darker afterwards, before the moon got up; at that time there was no moon to be seen.

Mr. Andrews. After the three men what became of the other men - A. Cavill went down immediately after the jemmy had been called for, and left the prisoner at the bar at the corner of South street; I kept my station opposite watching; the prisoner then went to the back of the house into Park lane as soon as Cavill had left him.

Q. Did you observe what the men at the area gate did after this - A. No, I could not; I remained at the front of the house, and after hearing the report of a pistol about a quarter of an hour afterwards; in a few minutes after the report of the pistol, I saw the prisoner come running from Park lane into South street and down Park street to the front of the house; he came as if from the back of lady Morton's house to the front of it; when he came into Park street John Foy was coming out of lady Morton's house; he immediately ran away back again into Park lane; I saw no more of him.

Cross-examined by Mr. Arabin. Then if I understand you right, you say thought it was a little duskish, there was still remaining light enough to distinguish a man's face about three or four houses off - A. Yes, by the light of the lamps.

Q. You have told my lord and the jury that you knew Cavill - A. I knew his face; I had worked with him a week.

Q. You did know him - A. Yes, I did.

Q. Of course he knew you - A. He might not be so exact as to look at me.

Q. You knew his house of call - you knew that he resorted to the Bleeding Hart, he told you that - A. Yes.

Q. Therefore you knew that Cavill was to be found at the Bleeding Hart - A. I did not know it till I went.

Q. How came you to go there - A. I went in there for curiosity, the same as before mentioned, because I thought there was no good going on; he had given me an invitation to go there, but I did not go there then; that day I took the liberty to go there.

Q. You had no invitation on that day from him nor had you given any invitation - A. No; I expected to meet him, and there I did see him.

Q. Why Cavill must know you - could Cavill forget you - A. I do not know.

Q. There were other people in the house, were there not; other people might see him as well as you - how far did you sit from him - A. About as far as I am to you.

COURT. You did not make yourself known to Cavill at that time - A. No, nor to any body else; I did not speak to him; I only called for my beer.

Mr. Arabin. There were other people in the house besides you and these men you have been describing - A. There were only these thieves and bad women.

Q. And yourself - no honest person would use the house would they - A. Oh, yes.

Q. Do not you know there were other people there - A. Of course there were other people there at times.

Q. Might not they pay attention to what passed - A. I do not know they did.

Q. You went to this house Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday - A. Yes.

Q. And you were always fortunate enough to go at the time that some of these people were there - A. Yes, and I always found them there.

Q. You went there expecting to find them there, and you found them there - never by accident that you was too late, you always found some of them there - A. Yes.

Q. I take it for granted that during the number of times you were there, other people besides these men and yourself were in the tap room - A. Yes.

Q. Are any of these men here - A. I do not know.

Q. These men were constantly talking of this robbery - A. Yes, at times.

Q. Speaking of it in the manner you have told the jury and my lord - mentioning time, place and name, loud enough for every body to hear - A. So loud that I could hear it.

Q. Did not you think it very extraordinary that these men should be so rash as to talk before you - A. Being a common house for thieves, I naturally thought they were not very particular in speaking; they might think the people were thieves like themselves.

Q. You had known him two years before - when did you first know it was the house of call for thieves - A. When I first went.

COURT. Did you know it was a house where their guests were reputed thieves - A. Only as I had heard.

Mr. Arabin. Honest people go sometimes there, because you went there - A. I do not know.

Q. You followed these men constantly in the street on the night of the robbery - were they not likely to see you dodging of them - A. I do not know.

Q. You have told my lord and the jury that you were some distance from them, yet they spoke so loud of this robbery that you heard them - A. I am only speaking of what passed in the house.

Mr. Andrews. About the iron crow being handed down you heard in the street - A. I heard that about three houses off.

Mr. Arabin. How many yards was that off - A. It might be twenty yards off; I did not measure it; I suppose it might be between twelve and twenty yards.

Q. You would have the jury believe they talked so loud that between twelve and twenty yards you heard what they said - A. I do not understand your question.

Q. You have said you were between twelve and twenty yards off, yet you heard what they said - A. I heard them call out for the jemmy; I was nearly opposite then.

COURT. At what distance were you when they talked about the jemmy - A. When Lasper came up to the top of the steps I was opposite of lady Morton's door; it might be ten yards across the street.

Mr. Andrews. Did you not say just now that you heard some conversation in the street between the prisoner and Cavill - A. When they followed the girls they came back and said all was right; then I might be about twenty yards off; I was at Chapel court at that time.

Mr. Arabin. You know as a carpenter that is sixty feet - A. Yes.

Q. You were so cautious, that you might know their names you took down their names on a piece of paper - A. I did.

Q. You had nothing to do in planning of this, previous before you gave information - A. No.

Q. Now, Mr. Decaux, how much reward do you expect - A. That I do not know nothing about the reward, I did not till last sessions; my lord informed me as last sessions. I know it now.

Q. You must know that the greater the number that are convicted the greater would be the reward - A. Of course I knew it after I was told it.

Q. Do you not expect the reward - A. Of course I do now.

Q. Do you not know that if this young man is convicted there will be a reward too - A. That I do not know.

Q. You know he is indicted of a similar offence - you know there is a reward now - A. I do.

Q. Do not you expect part of the reward if that young man is convicted - A. Of course I do.

Mr. Andrews. Did you know any thing about this reward about the conviction of these persons till you were here last sessions - A. No.

Q. You happened to be employed once with Cavill, you then learned from Cavill that he used the Bleeding Hart - A. No, I only received information from him to go to that house; I never went.

Q. Was your reason for going to the Bleeding Hart to find out Cavill there - A. Yes, and to learn the intentions of these suspicious men.

Q. You had no share in counselling or advising this robbery - A. Upon my oath I had not.

COURT. How long before this month of October was it that you had received this invitation from Cavill - A. I believe very near two years; I never had any communication with Cavill after that period; I never saw him before.

Q. When you followed him had you disguised yourself in your dress - A. No; I had not the same clothes on, I had an apron on.

WILLIAM JACKSON . Q. You were sent for to go with Foy to lady Morton's house in October last - have you heard Foy examined here to day - A. I have. On the Wednesday I went to lady Morton's house between five and six; I remained in the room below stairs.

Q. Did you hear any attempt made at the door - A. I did; a knock came at the door at seven o'clock; then they stopped a while and came again in about a couple of minutes.

COURT. You had no light with you - A. No, only a dark lanthorn.

Q. How do you know what o'clock it was - A. I heard the clock strike; it was after I heard the clock strike that the knock was made at the door; in a few minutes after that knock I heard the key go into the area gate; that gate was unlocked, and then they walked away for a few minutes; it was after the second knock that I heard them open the area gate; then I heard them come down into the area, and after trying the door with different keys for about twenty minutes, one of them halloaed out hand down the jemmy; then they made a violent crash at the door with the crow; the bell that was fixed within side of the door rang very loud; they then stopped for a while; one of them said behind the door, thrust it in, or burst it in, with the crow; then the door flew open and the bell rang loud some time; some of them came in and said it was all right; it was near eight o'clock when the door was bursted open.

Q. Had you ever seen the prisoner Baker - A. Never to my knowledge.

Q. You are not able to say whether he was one of the five men that were taken - A. I am not.

THOMAS FOY . Q. Do you know the prisoner Baker - A. I do not; I never saw him before to my knowledge.

Q. Were you and your brother in the lower room at

lady Morton's house on the night of the robbery - A. I was. I went to the house about half past six; I had been down stairs about half an hour when a knock came to the door; it was a few minutes after seven.

Q. How long was it after this that the area door was opened - A. I think by the time that they were trying the keys it might be twenty minutes or a quarter to eight, it might be less rather than more.

Q. How soon afterwards did you come out - A. As soon as I could find out the street door, in about two or three minutes.

Q. Describe the state of the night - A. I observed it was a moon light night; the moon was not so high as to be seen, there was light enough came from it. I concur with my brother in what passed in the house.

Cross examined by Mr. Arabin. You did not see the moon - A. I did not.

Q. Then you could not tell whether it was the light of the moon, or the remaining day light - A. Yes, I could; it was light of one side of the street and dark of the other.

Q. You know nothing of the young man - A. I do not.

AGNES BUTCHER . Q. You are a servant to lady Morton - A. I am.

Q. What is her name - A. Catherine Douglas ; her house is in Park street, St. George's, Hanover square.

Q. Do you know the person of the prisoner at the bar - A. I do not, I never saw him before to my knowledge. On the night of the robbery I went out at half past-six, I locked the lower part of the house, both before and behind, I locked every door myself; I returned down the street at past seven; I saw one of the prisoners that was convicted opening the area gate: I did not see what he did afterwards.

The prisoner left his defence to his counsel; called one witness, who gave him a good character.

NOT GUILTY .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Baron Chambre.

JOHN EVERCALL.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-8
VerdictNot Guilty

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96. JOHN EVERCALL was indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house of William Rutter , about the hour of two, on the night of the 3d of April , and burglariously stealing therein, twenty pieces of Irish linen, value 60 l. five hundred yards of cotton, value 50 l. one hundred yards of muslin, value 30 l. the property of William Rutter .

WILLIAM RUTTER . I am a linen draper , No. 4, City road, in the parish of St. Luke's , I have a house there.

Q. Have you any partners - A. No.

Q. Of whom did your family consist at that time - A. My wife, a maid servant, a shopman, a boy, they all slept in my house.

Q. When was it this happened - A. On the night of the 3d of April last; I was last up that night; I fastened the doors at one o'clock in the night.

Q. You went to bed about one in the morning - A. I secured the doors of the shop and the windows likewise. The door opens in half, and has two shutters, which was secured by two iron bars on the outside, and fastened on the inside and locked; the shutters were perfectly fast, with iron bars and pins to secure them.

Q. How does your shop communicate with the dwelling house - A. The stairs of the house face the shop door; there is an inner door that goes to the stairs the stairs are not in the shop, they are not enclosed by a wainscot.

Q. You go into the house by the shop door - A. Yes; there is no other outer door.

Q. During the course of the night did you hear any noise or any alarm - A. No; my maid saw it first; she got up about five o'clock, or a little afterwards; I received the information from her, upon that I got up immediately and went down stairs.

Q. Was it light then - A. It was day light. I saw that the door of the shop had been broken open by cutting a hole in one of the pannels of the door shutter; it was cut in a direction that they could put their arm in and unscrew the fastenings of the bar with their hand. This is the whole of the pannel, I had the carpenter to take it out; they cut out the whole square of glass. In the morning the door was shut and on the latch, the shutter put up, and the bar fastened as before, the lock was tied back, and the hole in the pannel was covered over with paper the colour of the pannel; it appeared that they cut the hole of one square, so that a person could go in and unfasten the door.

Q. Was that square of glass large enough to let a person in - A. Yes; large enough to let any middle sized person in.

Q. In what state did you find your shop with respect to the goods - A. I found three or four shelves empty; the first I missed was a pile of Irish linens which stood on a small counter near the door, I will not be positive whether they stood on a stool or the end of the counter. I missed a quantity of printed cottons, and two wrappers of muslins; this was on the 3d of April. On the morning of the 6th or 7th of April I received a letter by the post, giving me some information, in consequence of which I had a warrant from Worship street office to search the prisoner's house, No. 45, Seward street, Brick lane, St. Luke's, three officers went with me. The prisoner keeps a chandler's shop ; in the parlour behind the shop, in a drawer of a chest of drawers, we found a piece of muslin; in other parts of the house we found a quantity of skeleton keys, and other articles not belonging to me; I found nothing belonging to me but the piece of muslin. The prisoner was not at home at the time of the search.

Q. How do you know that this house, No. 45, belonged to the prisoner - A. The landlord is here to prove it. I saw his wife at the time I searched the house.

Q. What you found there was part of a piece of muslin - A. Yes.

Q. Are you able to know it was part of the property that you lost - A. Yes. The officer has it here; I never found any other part of my property.

Q. Where were the keys found - A. In one of the cupboards up stairs, in a small bag, and two or three pair of pistol cases with them.

Q. When was it you saw the prisoner after having searched his house - A. Never, till last Thursday at the Mansion house; I have understood ever since, he has been out of town.

Q. In consequence of having found the muslin at the prisoner's house, did you ever afterwards go to the prisoner's house to enquire after him - A. No. In consequence of the prisoner being absent the prisoner's wife was taken.

Cross-examined by Mr. Knapp. I understood you to say that your maid servant came down first in the morning - A. Yes; we heard her go down stairs, she returned immediately and gave me the alarm.

Q. When you came down you saw it was day light - A. It was sufficiently day light, I could see all over the shop, I saw what I had missed without a candle.

Q. Now the only thing that is produced is a piece of muslin - that is a very small part of that which you lost - A. Yes.

Q. Supposing it is yours, that piece of muslin has been produced before upon a trial that you charged the wife with a burglary - A. Yes.

Q. For which she was tried in June sessions and acquitted - A. Yes.

Q. Upon your oath, did you then venture to swear to the muslin, and remember what was said was taken down - A. What I then stated I will now say; from the length and breadth of it, the quantity and texture of it, I believe it now to be mine, but I have since found something more.

Q. Did not you then upon its being produced upon the trial of this burglary, examine it carefully in court - A. I examined it as carefully as I could.

Q. And had not you done so at the police office before the magistrate - A. I had so, but not in the light so much as what I have at home.

Q. Now attend to me, did not you state as your reason for believing it to be yours from this circumstance; the quantity, length, breadth, and texture; their being no marks that you could not swear to it - A. I said the fagg end being turn off, my private mark being gone, I could not swear to it.

Q. Do you mean to swear that the manufacturer who manufactured the article for you, does not he manufacture for half the town besides - A. I do not presume to say he does not.

Q. The woman was tried in June for this, and she was at home at the time of the search - A. Yes.

Q. Did not you find there were other people in the house at the time - A. Yes, there was an old man in one of the back rooms.

Q. In what room were the keys found - A. It was in a back room.

COURT. You was asked what you said upon the trial of the woman about the piece of muslin being your property; you say you have since discovered something else - A. After the trial, when I left the court, I parted with all the officers in the court, they gave me the muslin wrapped up in paper. I then went directly home, I will not be certain whether I laid the muslin in the shop or my man. I immediately went up stairs; during the time I was at my dinner, I had another try to see whether I could match it. I came down stairs and asked my shopman to assist me, and looking to see if we could trace any of the marks; we found the smallest quantity possible of my shop mark, the top of an O and a W; it is sufficiently perceivable.

GEORGE SEYMOUR . I live at Hoxton.

Q. Do you know a house that is described No. 45, Seward street; who did that house belong to in April last - A. To me. John Eversall , the prisoner at the bar, lived in it; he had lived there then about nine months before April; he was my tenant till Michaelmas last; whether he was resident in the house on the 3d of April I cannot say. I never was in the house after I let it him.

JOHN VICKERY . I am an officer of Worship office. In consequence of a search warrant, I went to No. 45, Seward street, with Bishop, Kenedy, and Mr. Rutter; when I came there, I saw the prisoner's wife; I knew the house before. I then read my warrant, and proceeded to search; in a back room below stairs, even with the shop, I found a piece of muslin in a drawer, which was handed over to Mr. Rutter; this was on the 7th of April. In a bed room up stairs, there was a great coat hanging behind the door; in the coat pocket we found some wax taper; in a closet in the same room we found a large black bag; that was all that we found that had any thing to do with this that I could see. I kept the muslin from the time I found it, till Eversall's wife was tried; it was then by the order of the court returned to the prosecutor. After I returned it back to him, I went to the office; he returned at seven o'clock the same evening, and desired me to take care of it. It was then sealed up by me in this paper, and put into a warehouse where Mr. Armstrong keeps a key, where we deposit all property that is taken under warrant. Armstrong unlocked the door and gave me possession of the bag that this was in.

Q. The prosecutor has said that he sent the officers after the prisoner - A. We have been continually enquiring after the prisoner in the neighbourhood; we never went to his house.

Q. When was it you saw him in custody - A. I saw him yesterday week at the Poultry Compter.

DANIEL BISHOP . Q. Were you with Vickrey when this house No. 45, Seward street, was searched - A. Yes; I was prisent at the finding this piece of muslin; it was found in a drawer in a back room adjoining the shop. The wife and another woman was in the house below. I searched the one pair of stairs back room; in a small closet that was locked, I broke it open, I found twenty one keys, and six pistol bags.

Mr. Gurney. There was a lodger in that room - A. I was given to understand so; he was sent for, and came, he said that was his bed room.

The property produced and identified

The prisoner was not put on his defence.

NOT GUILTY .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Baron Thompson.

SAMUEL GOODMAN.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-9
VerdictGuilty > theft under 40s
SentenceImprisonment > house of correction; Miscellaneous > fine

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97. SAMUEL GOODMAN was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 9th of December , twenty five yards of Irish linen, value 2 l. 5 s. the property of Christopher Phillips Joslyn , in his dwelling house .

MARY MOORE . On the 9th of December last I was going of an errand; I saw two men go into Mr. Joslyn's shop.

Q. Do you know the person of either of them - A. I I am sure the prisoner is one of them; I saw a hand take a piece of cloth from the window on the inside, then the two men came out immediately; I turned myself short round, and put my hand upon each shoulder of the prisoner, and told him it was not his property; he had the piece of cloth between his coat and waistcoat; I saw the end of it hanging down by his knees. I called Mr. Joslyn, stop thief, Joslyn; the other that was with him come and gave me a push of one side, and they both ran off. This was about four o'clock; I did not see them afterwards.

BARNARD GLEED . I am a patrole. On the afternoon

of the 9th of December, about ten minutes after four o'clock, I was coming down Shoreditch; I heard the cry of stop thief; I saw the prisoner running towards me; directly I caught hold of him, he dropped a piece of cloth from under his arm. I secured him, and took up the cloth; this is the piece of cloth, I saw him drop it; Mr. Joslyn came up immediately afterwards. I searched him; in his pocket I found a quantity of thread.

CHRISTOPHER PHILLIPS JOSLYN . I live at No. 3, Old street road, St. Leonard, Shoreditch ; my shop is at the bottom part of the house, I am a linen draper, haberdasher and hosier ; I was at the back part of my house, I heard a cry out, Joslyn, stop thief; I ran into the road, I saw the prisoner with something under his arm running towards Shoreditch; I pursued him; the officer was coming up Shoreditch; he saw him and stopped him. I was almost at his heels when he stopped him.

Q. Did you see the officer pick up the piece of cloth - A. I did; I know it is mine, it cost me two pounds five shillings; I saw it ten minutes before it was taken in my shop window

The property produced and identified.

Prisoner's Defence. I found it.

GUILTY, aged 24.

Of stealing to the value of thirty nine shillings only .

Confined Six Months in the House of Correction , and fined One Shilling .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. justice Le Blanc.

ANN GRUNDWELL.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-10
VerdictGuilty
SentenceTransportation

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98. ANN GRUNDWELL was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 30th of December , a hat, value 6 s. 3 d. the property of Thomas Frederic Salter .

THOMAS WESTWOOD . I am shopman to Mr. Salter, he is a hatter , No. 17, Beech street, Barbican . On the 30th of December, about seven o'clock in the evening, the prisoner came into the shop in company with another woman; she asked to look at some hats, she said she would call the next day and bring the little girl; she went away and did not purchase any. In about five minutes after she was gone I missed a hat from the counter; I went after the women and overtook them; the prisoner was looking at the hat that I had lost, I saw the hat in her hand, I asked her for it, I told her that she had stolen it; I was going to take the hat from her, she immediately threw it behind her and said she knew nothing at all about the hat; I took her back to the shop and gave her in charge of the patrol; the other woman made off, I did not see what became of her.

Q. Had you seen this hat on the counter before - A. Yes.

Q. Have you seen the hat since - A. Yes. I am sure it is my master's property.

Prisoner. Ask him if I was the person that took the hat and throwed it away.

Witness. Yes, you was the person that throwed it away.

Prisoner's Defence. I am very innocent of what I am here for.

GUILTY , aged 25.

Transported for Seven Years .

London jury, before Mr. Recorder.

SUSANNAH BURNETT.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-11
VerdictGuilty
SentenceImprisonment > newgate; Miscellaneous > fine

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99. SUSANNAH BURNETT was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 30th of December , fifteen yards of printed cotton, value 15 s. the property of John Harvey , and James Lamming .

The case was stated by Mr. Gurney.

WILLIAM ROBERTS . I am a servant to John Harvey and James Lamming , they are linen drapers on Ludgate Hill . On the 30th of December, about half past three in the day the prisoner came into the shop, I was the only person that was in the front shop; I suppose she was more than five minutes in the shop.

Q. While the prisoner was there did Ashford, one of your shopmen, come down - A. Yes; the prisoner then went out, she bought nothing, Ashford followed her.

COURT. Are you sure the prisoner was the person - A. Yes.

ROBERT ASHFORD . I am a servant to Messrs. Harvey and Lamming. On the afternoon of the 30th of December, at half past three, I came down, I saw the prisoner going out in a great hurry, I immediately followed her two doors up a passage, to Mr. Patmore's, a pawnbroker's; I stopped her, I told her that she had taken something from our house; I took hold of her arm and saw the print in her hand; I told her she had stolen that print from our house; she said she had, and she was in great distress, and hoped I would let her go; I told her I could not. I took her back to our shop and took the print from her.

The property produced and identified.

The prisoner said nothing in her defence, called one witness, who gave her a good character.

GUILTY , aged 38.

Confined Fourteen Days in Newgate , and fined One Shilling .

London jury, before Mr. Recorder.

HARRIET JOHNSON.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-12
VerdictGuilty
SentenceImprisonment > newgate; Miscellaneous > fine

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100. HARRIET JOHNSON was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 31st of December , a shawl, value 10 s. the property of John Harvey and James Lamming .

The case was stated by Mr. Gurney.

ROBERT ASHFORD . I am shopman to John Harvey and James Lamming . On the 31st of December, between three and four o'clock, the prisoner came into the shop; she asked to look at a print that was at the bottom of a pile of goods, near the door; I told her I could not take them all down for her, we had got others that she would like as well; she left me and went to the shawl counter; I saw her look round to see if any body was noticing of her, I seemed to take no notice of her; after standing at the shawl counter five or ten minutes she left the shop; I followed her to the door; just after she got out of door she turned round to see if any body was looking; I immediately went after her, put my arm round her waist, and brought her back again to our shop, I took her up stairs, and directly I got her into the kitchen a shawl dropped from her pelisse; I saw it drop from her; I picked it up and told her it was our property.

JOHN BALL . Q. You are shopman to the prosecutors, I believe - A. I am; I attended all that afternoon at the shawl counter; I shewed her nothing, nor did she buy any thing. When she quitted the shop Ashford followed her.

The property produced and identified.

Prisoner. Do not you recollect a lady being along with me buying a shawl that came to fifteen shillings - A. There were other ladies in the shop, one lady

bought a shawl that came to sixteen shillings; I saw the prisoner come to the counter alone.

Mr. Gurney. What is the value of that shawl - A. Ten shillings.

Q. to Ashford. Did you see any person in company with the prisoner - A. I saw her talking to a person in the shop; she followed a person out, I did not see her come in with any body.

Prisoner's Defence. The shawl and the other piece of print I bought over Blackfriars bridge; I met a man and a woman, they had several prints and shawls, they asked me if I would buy a shawl and a gown print; I asked him the price of this print; he said eighteen shillings; I told him I would give him nine shillings and sixpence for the print; he took it, and I gave him ten shillings and sixpence for the shawl.

GUILTY , aged 28.

Confined One Month in Newgate , and fined One Shilling .

London jury, before Mr. Recorder.

HARRIET JOHNSON.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-13
VerdictGuilty
SentenceImprisonment > newgate; Miscellaneous > fine

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101. HARRIET JOHNSON was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 31st December , nine yards and a half of printed cotton, value 10 s. the property of George Vipond .

The case was stated by Mr. Gurney.

THOMAS WALKER . I am servant to Mr. Vipond, linen draper , Ludgate Hill .

Q. In the afternoon of the 31st of December did the prisoner come into your shop - A. Yes, she was in our shop; she bought nothing at all.

Q. After she was gone did you miss any thing - A. I missed a piece of print that I had just before been measuring over. Soon afterwards I found she was in custody next door; I went in and this piece of print was shewed me, and I recognized it.

ROBERT ASHFORD . Q. On the 31st of December, in the afternoon, you took the prisoner in custody - A. I did; she was searched in my presence; this piece of print was taken from her by Kimber.

The property produced and identified.

Prisoner's Defence. This piece of print I bought with the shawl of one person, on the other side of Blackfriars bridge, as I was coming from Deptford; I bought them of a man and woman; I never saw them before, nor since.

GUILTY , aged 28.

Confined One Month in Newgate , and fined One Shilling .

London jury, before Mr. Recorder.

WILLIAM LOVETT, HENRY FLETCHER.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-14
VerdictGuilty; Guilty
SentenceTransportation; Imprisonment > house of correction; Miscellaneous > fine

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102. WILLIAM LOVETT and HENRY FLETCHER were indicted for feloniously stealing on the 18th of December , a sack, value 1 s. and five pecks of barley, value 6 s. the property of John Roberts , esq .

JOHN ROBERTS , ESQ. I live in John street; I have got a country house in Middlesex. Lovett was a thresher , and Fletcher took care of my farm horses .

WILLIAM HORROD . I am a servant to Mr. Roberts. On the 16th of last month I went into the barn were Lovett was threshing of barley; I told him he would be able to thrash it all out the next day; he said no, he should not be able to finish until Monday. I then took up the fork to see how much there was, I stuck it in a sack; I took it up, I asked him what it was; he said he did know any thing at all about it; I found it contained barley, I told him so; he then said he had gleaned it up for Joseph, and he had not taken it away. I then left the barn.

Q. Who is Joseph - A. He is an odd man, he takes care of the pigs and cows. After the men had left their work I went into the barn, I found the barley there; I marked the sack. On Sunday morning I found it was gone; I acquainted my master; we searched about and found it in the horses' bin covered over with straw; we took out a sample of it. At night the sack was marked by the constable.

- I am a constable. I found this sack in the corn bin in the stable; I saw Lovett come out of Mr. Roberts's gate with the sack upon his shoulder, between five and six on Sunday evening; Fletcher came out of the gate with him into the lane, I followed them and brought them back to Mr. Roberts. Upon examining the sack I found it contained barley; it corresponded with the sample; that is the sack.

Mr. Alley. The sack is not his master's - A. No.

The prisoners left their defence to their counsel.

Fletcher called two witnesses, who gave him a good character.

LOVETT, GUILTY , aged 34.

Transported for Seven Years .

FLETCHER, GUILTY , aged 33.

Confined One Year in the House of Correction , and fined One Shilling .

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. Recorder.

JAMES WOGAN.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-15
VerdictNot Guilty

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103. JAMES WOGAN was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 4th of November , two sheets, value 12 s. two watches, value 5 l. two chains, value 2 s. two keys. value 6 d. two shifts, value 10 s. three shirts, value 1 l. three pair of stockings, value 3 s. a blanket, value 8 s. a counterpane, value 8 s. a pelisse, value 10 s. a great coat, value 1 l. a waistcoat, value 6 s. two handkerchiefs, value 4 s. and an umbrella, value 2 s. the property of Thomas Pink , in the dwelling house of John Karne .

ELIZABETH PINK . I am a married woman, my husband's name is Thomas Pink , we live at No. 205, Brick lane, Spital fields ; John Karne rents the house, and we hire a one pair of stairs.

Q. Did you miss any thing out of that room - A. Yes. On the 4th of November I went out at eleven o'clock in the morning, I left William Sindall in the room, he slept in the room, he was going to sea in two or three days; the prisoner boarded with us. After eleven o'clock at night I and my husband went home; I missed a sheet from off Sindall's bed. In the morning when I got up I looked for the sheet, I thought I might find it; I missed all the articles mentioned in the indictment.

Q. Did Sindall lodge in the room that night - A. No; he was to sleep there, but he did not.

Q. You say the prisoner boarded with you - did he come back wards and forwards as usual - A. No; I did not see him till the 2nd of December, then I met Wogan about seven o'clock in the evening in Chiswell street; I told him he was the man I wanted; he said what did I want him for; I told him I wanted the property that he had robbed me of, and the money he owed me; he told me it I would let him have his liberty he would pay me the money he owned me, he had got none of my property but the umbrella; I asked him why he did not come to his meals as usual; he said because he was afraid I would put him in prison; I told him if he

was not guilty of robbing me, why not come and help to find the thief that did rob me; he told me that he had left the umbrella with the woman that he had slept with the night before; he told me the place: I went there and found it. I have never seen any of the other things. My husband and I took him to Worship street office.

Q. When you came home on the evening of the 4th of November, was your room door locked - A. Yes, and the key left with the landlady below; when they came home they asked for the key, it was given them.

ANN BARRY . I lived servant with Mrs. Pink when she kept the Nag's head public house, Whitecross street.

Q. Do you know the prisoner Wogan - A. Yes, I have seen him often at that house, before Mrs. Pink removed from the public house. On the 5th of November he came into the tap room with an umbrella in his hand, and asked me for a needle to repair it; I gave him a needle, he could not make use of the needle, he asked me to repair it for him; I did; he said it belonged to the captain's daughter, he should get anger if he did not repair it.

Q. Did you see any thing else that he had - A. Only a watch that he had in his pocket; I did not particularly observe the watch.

Q. Do you know that umbrella that you mended - A. I do; here is the place that I mended.

Prisoner. When it was rainy I was in the habit of borrowing the umbrella.

Mrs. Pink. That is the umbrella that was in my possession; I never allowed him to make use of it.

Q. Had Sindall ever come back to you again - A. No.

Prisoner's Defence. The night before this affair happened Mr. and Mrs. Pink, Sindall and me, went to the play; I had the umbrella the night before; I was going home, I left them close to Smithfield; Mrs. Pink said, I shall not be at home tomorrow, I am going to my sister's child christening, there is some cold shoulder of mutton in the cupboard. The next morning I went to the Nag's Head with the umbrella about one o'clock in the afternoon; I went to Mrs. Pink's, I went up stairs and knocked at the door, no answer was given to me; I went and asked the landlady it any body was at home, she said she did not know, there had been a great many people up and down; I borrowed five pence of the landlady, I told her I should go to the Bell. When I was at the Bell Sindall came in, he said he heard me knocking, he told me had the landlord of the Three Pigeons in the room, and a woman of the name of Lawson; he and I went to Mrs. Pink's room, and when I was going I said I would lock the door and take the key down to the landlady; he said no; I went down stairs, and saw no more of Sindall till the Saturday morning; going down Whitecross street I met Sindall with Mrs. Pink's great coat on his back; he said he was going home; I have never seen him since, I went to the house on the Monday; neither Mrs. Pink nor the landlady was at home; I met the landlady, she told me of this, and told me Mrs. Pink would prosecute me. I being innocent, was afraid of being put in prison; when I went with Mrs. Pink to the office there was no officer to prevent me from going away. If I had a mind to resist I might.

Q. to prosecutrix. Had you been to the play the night before - A. Yes; they went to the play with us; Sindall and the prisoner had the use of the umbrella; I took it from them when we parted in Smithfield.

MARTHA STEVENS . I live in Gloucester court, Whitecross street; I have known the prisoner eight years, or rather better. Mrs. Pink came to me and informed me of the robbery on the day following; she told me that the other young man had robbed her, she did not suspect that the prisoner was the person; she asked me if I had seen him; I told her I had not.

Q. Do you say upon your oath that she said she did not suspect him - A. Yes, she said so several times.

Q. But she wanted to know where he was - A. Yes. I told her I did not know.

Q. When had you seen the prisoner the last time - A. On the Saturday morning, as I saw Mrs. Pink in the evening; I saw him about ten days afterwards; I went to Mrs. Pink's house, she was not at home; I left word with the landlady I had seen him; Mrs. Pink told me that she had been down to the father and mother of the young man, that his father said he had a watch in his pocket and a bundle; he had one of Mr. Pink's shirts on, and one of the pair of stockings in the bundle was marked in full length with his name, and that a gentleman at his father's asked him what the watch cost; he said two pounds, and that he had another watch.

Q. What do you know of that umbrella - A. That umbrella was left with my landlady in the room below and a letter for Mrs. Pink; I delivered it into Mrs. Pink's hands.

Q. Mrs. Pink, in fact had you been down after the other man Sandell - A. Yes, at his father's.

Q. Had you traced a number of things into his possession - A. I had.

Q. Therefore you had good reason to suspect that the other man Sandell was in possession of a number of things - A. Yes.

Q. And you told that young woman so - A. Yes.

Q. You have never found the things, you only heard it from the father of Sandell - A. I only heard it from him.

NOT GUILTY .

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. justice Le Blanc.

DANIEL GEARY.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-16
VerdictGuilty
SentenceDeath

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104. DANIEL GEARY was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 22d of December , a bay gelding, value 30 s. the property of William Cockbill .

WILLIAM COCKBILL . I live at Walham green.

Q. What are you - A. I go out to any hired work that I can get.

Q. Had you a bay gelding - it belonged to you did it - A. Yes.

Q. Where was it before you missed it - A. It was turned upon a common belonging to Fulham parish, called Wormwood Scrubs ; I had turned it out myself on the day before the Thursday that I lost it.

Q. Had you seen it after you had turned it out on the Tuesday - A. I did not see it my self, Mr. Berryman saw it on the Wednesday before it was taken away, I missed it on the Thursday.

Q. Had you missed it before you received any information that it was gone - A. Yes.

Q. What Tuesday and what Thursday are you speaking of - how long ago - A. The Tuesday and Thursday before Christmas.

Q. Did you ever see that gelding of your's again - A. I saw it on the Friday following; on the next day Mr.

Berryman brought it me.

Q. What sort of a horse was this - A. It had but one eye.

Q. Did you use it in the way of your employment - A. Yes; I used to draw it.

Q. Where is that horse now - you had it again, had not you - A. Yes.

Q. You are sure the horse that Berryman brought back is your's - A. Yes; because it was marked J C on the hip, my father marked him, and put that on him. It was my horse; I had nothing for him to do, I said I would turn it up; my father then said he would mark it for me.

Q. How the horse was taken you cannot tell yourself - A. No.

Q. Did you know the prisoner - A. No.

ARCHIBALD WALTERS . I live in Hampstead road, I am a labouring man.

Q. Do you deal in horses - A. No; I go about with fish.

Q. What have you to say about any bay gelding - A. I was in Camden Town crying my fish on the Thursday before Christmas day, about twelve o'clock, I bought the horse; I met the prisoner leading the horse along.

Q. Did you know him before - A. No; he was quite a stranger to me.

Q. What sort of a horse was it - A. A bay horse, it had one eye. I asked him if he was going to sell the horse, I thought he was coming out of the country, and was going to sell the horse; he said yes.

Q. Had you any other horse at that time - A. No. He said he was going to sell it; I asked him what he asked for it; he said a guinea and a half; I told him that was too much, I put my basket on my head and was going away; I told him I would give him sixteen shillings for it; he stood a bit, I went on, and when I returned again he said I should have it; I asked him then where he lived; he told me he lived in the Kilburn Road, two doors from the Black Lion.

Q. Did you ask him what his name was - A. No. He said that he had this horse, and that he worked him in the Brick carts at Kilburn, the weather was so bad he could not draw bricks, he turned the horse up the lane, he thought he had better sell it than let it lie starving about the hedges; I told him I would trouble him to go home with me; I gave him twelve shillings in Camdem Town; he led the horse to my door, I gave him a seven shilling piece, he gave me three shillings and delivered the horse to me; then he left me.

Q. Then all that time you did not ask him his name - A. No.

Q. How soon did you see this person afterwards - A. I saw him on the Saturday morning afterwards, I met him in Paddington road with another horse.

Q. Was this before this horse had been claimed - A. Afterwards. I spoke to him; he said, good morning, and asked me where I was going; I told him I was going to Paddington to pay five pounds for some rags I had bought of my brother; I then asked him where he got that old horse he was leading of; he told me he bought it of one Tom Hoare that lived at Henley.

Q. Did you say any thing to him respecting the horse you had bought of him - A. Not at that time.

Q. Did you know at that time that the horse had been claimed - A. Yes. He said I gave him a bad shilling; I told him if I did I did not wish to do it, I would change it for him; he gave it me; I told him we must go to the public house and have something to drink, and then I would change it.

Q. Did he give you a shilling - A. He gave me a large sixpence.

Q. Was that what you gave him for a shilling - A. He said it was, I did not know it; we went into the King's Head public house, Tottenham court road; I asked for some purl, and shut the door, and told him that he had stole the horse that I bought, and that it had been stopped; he said he had not; I told him I was sure he had; he then sat down and said he did, he had done it for distress, he had a family, and his children wanted bread. I then sent for Mr. Crocker the officer - he took the man in custody.

Q. Now tell us after you had bought the horse of the prisoner what you did with him - A. When I bought the horse and brought him home, I found he would not suit me; I went to sell him again.

Q. Had you tried him in the cart or any thing - A. No.

Q. How did you find out he would not suit - A. He was lame.

Q. Had not you seen that when you bought him - A. Yes, I had.

Q. When did you go to sell him again - A. The same afternoon.

Q. Had you intended to sell him again when you bought it - A. I did not know; if he had suited me I should have kept him. On the same afternoon I sold him to one Mr. Cross, going down towards Battle bridge.

Q. Where did you meet with Mr. Cross - A. In the road going along.

Q. Is he here - A. No. He lives in Maiden lane, Battle bridge, he is a knacker; I agreed to sell him for twenty shillings and sixpence; he wanted me to trust him; I would not; he then gave me three shillings earnest; he said he would fetch the horse at seven o'clock at night, if I would keep him for him; I then took him home and told him I would; this was on the Thursday; he never came for the horse; I tied the horse up and gave him some hay. I called upon him the next morning to know whether he meaned to fetch him or no; he said he would come for it about ten o'clock. I went out with my goods, when I came home the horse was there; this was about two o'clock on the Friday; I said to my wife I would take him to Smithfield to sell him.

Q. Did you take him to Smithfield to sell him - A. Yes.

Q. You had been yourself in Smithfield market - A. The young man that I took with me held the horse while I was talking to a man that I had bargained with to sell the horse; I saw him in Smithfield just as I was going in. The young man's name is Wood that held the horse for me in Smithfield.

Q. Then I understand you to say you saw this Cross in the market - A. Yes.

Q. Did you sell the horse then to him, or did he pay for it - A. No; I went to him, we had a few words; he said if I would bring the horse up to him he would pay me; accordingly I went to fetch the horse to him; the horse was standing in the market; I halloaed for

the young man; I saw a great mob about the horse and that it was stolen.

Q. Was any body there that owned the horse - A. Yes, Berryman claimed the horse; I went to Berryman, I told him that young man knew nothing about the horse, that I had brought it from Camden town; I told Berryman I bought the horse; he said the horse belonged to Cockbill his neighbour.

Q. What became of you at the time that he took the horse - A. They wanted to put me in the counter; they knew me, and I begged of them not to put me in; he took the horse down, and I was to go to him the next day; I was told to come to him at Walham green, Fulham.

Q. The next morning you told us you met the prisoner as you described - A. Yes.

Q. Did you go to Walham green before you saw him - A. No; I went afterwards to Walham green, and informed them after he was in custody.

Q. Then it was you yourself that had him taken in custody - A. Yes.

Q. Then you swear that horse that Berryman took away was the same horse that you had bought of the prisoner the day before - A. On the Thursday.

Q. Well this was on the Friday that the horse was taken away - A. Yes.

Q. And on the Thursday you had bought it of the prisoner - A. Yes.

Jury. When you paid the prisoner the twelve shillings was any person present - A. Mr. White.

Q. He is not here - A. No; he keeps the Britannia in Camden town. It was in the road where we bargained, fronting of that house.

Q. When you paid the other four shillings was any other person present - A. That I paid at my own door, my landlord was present then.

COURT. He is not here - A. No.

JAMES BERRYMAN . My son took the horse home from Smithfield; he found the horse first and told me of it; I was in Smithfield, just opposite of the George. I live at Walham green.

Q. You are a neighbour of Cockbill - A. Yes.

Q. Do you know the gelding that he had, that was blind of one eye - A. Yes, I know it; he told me on the Thursday that he had lost it.

Q. Did you happen to be in Smithfield market in search of that gelding - A. No; I happened to be there, my little boy was riding a horse about there for sale; he saw the horse there, he pointed it out to me; Walter's man was holding the horse, he said his master belonged to the horse; I told him Mr. Cockbill owned the horse, that he had lost it; I told him to put it up against the George door until his master came; he did; Mr. Walter told me he bought it the day before in Camden road; I told him I did not know what to do, whether to stop him and the horse too, as it was not mine; he said there were people there that knew him; so I let him go and stopped the horse.

Q. He let you take that horse, did you take it back to Mr. Cockbill - A. Yes; I took it home that night; Walters told me he would come down to Mr. Cockbill, according he did come down the next morning about ten or eleven o'clock.

Q. Did you know at that time that the prisoner was apprehended - A. He mentioned it the next morning when he came down, that he had got the prisoner that he had bought the horse of; I afterwards saw the prisoner at Bow street. I never saw him before as I know of.

HENRY CROKER . I am a constable of the parish of St. Pancras. On Friday evening the 23d of December, I saw Walters, he mentioned to me that he was in trouble.

Q. Did you see any thing of him on the Saturday - A. On the Saturday morning I was sent for to the public house, where he was with the prisoner, at the King's Head in Tottenham court road; then he told me that was the man that he purchased the horse of.

Q. Did he say that in the hearing of the prisoner - A. Yes, I believe; the prisoner said it was through distress that he did so.

Q. Did the prisoner deny that he had sold the house to the man - A. No, he did not deny it; he said something about being in distress; he told me he was the person; I secured him and took him to the watch-house. Walters related to me the situation he was in; I went with him to Walham green, and let them know that he was come according to his promise, and that I had got the prisoner in custody; I took the prisoner to Bow street; I told these people to come to Bow street.

Prisoner's Defence. I have nothing to say for myself.

GUILTY - DEATH , aged 32.

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. Baron Thompson.

WILLIAM DOWLING.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-17
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceTransportation

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105. WILLIAM DOWLING was indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house of Peter Parker , about the hour of seven, on the night of the 15th of December , and burglariously stealing therein, two planes, value 10 s. two saws, value 14 s. one oil stone, value 3 s. a chisel, value 9 d. a gouge, value 4 d. a jacket, value 4 s. a rule, value 2 s. and a pair of compasses, value 9 d. the property of John Dyer .

PETER PARKER . I am a victualler ; I live at the Shepherd and Dog, East Smithfield, St. John's, Wapping ; I live in an adjoining part while it is being new built. On the 15th of December, about seven in the evening, I heard a noise in the apartment that is getting ready for a coffee room, where the carpenters had left work; I went to the side door of the coffee room, I asked whether any body was there in that room; the carpenters had not left the key of that room; I could get no answer; on my speaking I heard somebody fall over some deals. The door is a sash door, not glazed, the carpenter had nailed a board across inside, that nobody should get inside; it is a side door to the coffee room, that communicates to the yard; I saw the board up; it was up for security, to prevent people from getting in through the sash. When I heard the noise of some person falling over the deals I immediately put my back to the door and burst it open, and called for a light; when I came into the room, there is a place erecting for a bar, I found the prisoner lying on his back with all the smaller part of the tools about him.

Q. You mean the tools left by the workmen - A. Yes, they always left their tools there; the large saw and small saw and large plane, I found lying by the door, laying where the door was broken open.

Q. Where was it you observed the board that was on the sash - A. I observed that as soon as I put my hand against the door it laid by the side of the door; there was an oil stone, a gouge, and many other articles that

I do not know the name of, as I am not a carpenter.

Q. Where these within the bar where the man was lying - A. Close to him, about his feet.

Q. You had not seen in what part of the house these tools were left when the men went - A. No.

Q. Can you name any other of the articles - A. There was a flannel jacket and a two foot rule.

Q. Had you any conversation with the prisoner when you found him - A. Yes; I asked him how he came there; he gave me a good deal of abuse, he pretended to be very much intoxicated in liquor, I could not get a reasonable answer for a long while; there was a pair of folding doors, I found them fast; I noticed it particularly; the sash of the front was not glazed, no more than them at the back; it was nine foot from the pavement to get at them; there were no steps erected.

Q. Could any body have got up to that height - were the sashes large enough to creep through - A. Yes, I think they were.

Q. Then if any body had got there, was there any thing to interrupt their passage, from where you found the prisoner - A. No; they could come to the side door on coming through the room.

Q. Were there any other place where there was a possibility of any person coming in without breaking - A. No; there were two sashes backwards; they were both fastened, I examined them.

Q. Do you know the person to whom these tools belonged - A. Yes, to John Dyer , one of the carpenter s, he is doing the business; I sent for a constable, I took him to the watchhouse; in searching of him, I found this pair of nippers and this turn screw, which he had left, I found among the tools; and the mark of the door, where the lock had been wrenched off, tallied with this turnscrew; he said the nippers were his own, he said he had a turn screw, but he did not know where it was; I would not suffer the tools to be removed till the next morning, when the carpenters came; I did not know in what situation the carpenters left the tools; the first carpenter came about seven in the morning; it was then we found the turn screw among the tools.

JOHN DYER . I am a carpenter, I am employed in Mr. Parker's house.

Q. Did you leave your tools in the place - A. Yes: I left work about a quarter before five; I secured the front door by a piece of wood on the inside, no person could open them without being on the inside; the back door I locked myself.

Q. Did you observe the sash door was not glazed - A. The back part of the sash door was not glazed; I locked that door myself.

Q. Did you observe whether the board that was put up on there was up when you left the building - A. Yes, I put it up myself. I am sure it was on when I left the building.

Q. In what part of the room did you leave the tools - A. I left the tools in one corner of the room; it is a coffee room, parted off with benches for gentlemen, where we were working; I put some on the seats of the box and some on my work bench.

Q. Was any of these tools left by the back door - A. No, quite the contrary; I left them twenty seven feet from the back door where I found them in the morning.

Q. Now look at them tools - A. They are all my tools, with my own mark on them, the planes and the saws; I am positive they are the same tools that I left in Mr. Parker's house.

Q. Did you go there the next morning - A. Yes, about a quarter after seven; I found this large saw and the planes at the entrance of the back door, the planes of one side and the saws of the other side of the passage; I found the others in the part that is parted off for the bar; the large plane was twenty seven feet removed from where I left it, going the nighest way, and the smaller tools twelve feet off; the key of the back door I gave to my partner William Chapman ; I went to the public office with the prisoner, he told me he was groggy, he did not know how he got there; he told the magistrate that he was sleeping below, and some person shoved him up there.

Q. Did you see this turnscrew - A. Yes, I picked it up myself; in picking up the small tools I found the strange one among them; we did not see the back door had been tried with this thing for two or three days afterwards.

Q. Who had the turnscrew in the mean time - A. The officer.

Q. When you were there did you perceive the board that had been put up over the sash door - A. Yes, laying by the side of the door.

WILLIAM CHAPMAN . Q. You are one of the workmen employed along with the last witness, are not you - A. Yes. When we quitted the house I received the key from the last witness; I had it in my possession all night.

Q. Are you sure that it had never been used for opening of the door - A. Yes.

Prisoner's Defence. I happened on that day to be looking out for work, and meeting with some of my partners I got drunk. Coming along there the cellar is quite open; I happened to stumble; there I lay till one of the labouring men came up and said you had better go and lay among the shavings; I laid there till Mr. Parker came; his wife alarmed him first; they cannot say that I ever removed any of the tools.

Q. to prosecutor. You had not observed any thing about the door with the sash in it from between five and six o'clock, and the time you received the alarm - A. No, it was impossible, because it was dark. I generally tried the other door with my hand when the carpenters had done work. I dare say I had that night.

Q. You will not take upon you to say you did - A. No.

GUILTY, aged 37.

Of stealing, but not of the burglary .

Transported for Seven Years .

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. Baron Chambre.

JAMES MACKAY.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-18
VerdictNot Guilty

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106. JAMES MACKAY was indicted for feloniously making an assault on the King's highway, in a certain passage, upon Joseph Isaacs on the 18th of December , putting him in fear, and taking from his person, and against his will, a watch, value 3 l. a chain, value 6 d. a pair of sheets, value 10 s. a gown, value 9 s. a pee lisse, value 4 s. two table cloths, value 8 s. and a handkerchief, value 3 s. his property .

JOSEPH ISAACS . I was going home with my wife on the 18th of December, going down the court where we live; this man followed her; we walked fast and he walked fast; we walked slower, he walked slower; when we stopped I asked him what he wanted; he left her and came and laid hold of a bundle that I had

in my hand, and he wanted to take my watch out of my pocket; I hit him a blow with my stick; I let the bundle drop to have the use of both my hands; he had hold of my watch chain; when the watchman came he let go.

NOT GUILTY .

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. Baron Thompson.

WILLIAM HATCHMAN.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-19
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation
SentenceDeath

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107. WILLIAM HATCHMAN was indicted for feloniously making an assault in the King's highway, upon Ann, the wife of Jesse Fieldhouse , on the 4th of December , putting her in fear and taking from her person, and against her will, a straw bonnet, value 5 s. and a lace veil, value 1 s. the property of Jesse Fieldhouse .

ANN FIELDHOUSE . I am a married woman; my husband's name is Jesse Fieldhouse .

Q. Did you lose a bonnet at any time - A. Yes; I lost my hat and my veil on the 4th of December, between five and six in the evening.

Q. Where were you walking at that time - A. I came through Turnmill street ; I was going as far as Pancras.

Q. Who was with you - A. Richard Roberts .

Q. Did you observe any boys near you - A. No, none at all.

Q. Did you see the prisoner - A. No, I did not.

Q. What happened to you as you were walking - A. As I got up to Pear Tree court I had a blow on this side of my head.

Q. You had a blow on the side of your head - did you see where the blow came from - A. I did not; it was from a person behind me; it was not a violent one, it stunned my ear; immediately after that my hat and my veil went right off my head.

Q. What sort of a hat was it - A. A round hat, made of straw.

Q. Do you call it a hat - A. Yes, it was a turban hat.

Q. Is that a different thing from a bonnet - A. Oh, yes, sir, it is; it was not a bonnet, it was a hat.

Q. Was the veil over this hat, as you call it - A. No, it was pinned inside; I had pinned the veil to my hair and the hat was over it.

Q. Might it not have gone off with the blow - A. No, it was pulled off.

Q. Then the veil was pinned to your hair and not to the hat - A. No.

Q. What did you observe next - A. I directly turned round and saw the person run up the court that took it up.

Q. You mean, you saw a person run up the court with a hat in his hand - A. Yes, and the veil.

Q. Did you not see him take it off - A. No; he ran up Pear Tree court.

Q. Did you take notice of his person so as to know him again - A. No further than by his dress; he had on the same kind of a jacket as he had on the Tuesday.

Q. What happened then after he ran up the court - A. I lost sight of him; this was on the Sunday; I did not see him after till on the Tuesday when he was taken up.

Q. Do you know whether at all the same person that you saw on the Tuesday was the same person that you saw running - A. No.

Jury. You only saw the back of him did you - A. No.

Cross examined by Mr. Walford. You say this was in the month of December, and in the evening - A. Yes.

Q. You received a blow on the side of your head - should you suppose it a blow, or occasioned by some person snatching your hat - A. I had a little baby in my arms, just five months old; it was not a violent blow; my hat went off immediately.

Q. Suppose a person that made a blow at you, the sensation of that would be very different from a person taking your hat - A. I believe it was both.

Q. The veil was under your hat, could a person see that - A. Yes, they could.

Q. Must the person behind have seen the veil, or not - A. Yes, they must.

Q. This was in Turnmill street, that is a street very much frequented - A. I do not know.

Q. Were there any persons passing and repassing at the time - A. I saw no person; I hooted out stop thief; no person came to assist me; the hat was put on without any fastenings, but the veil was pinned.

RICHARD ROBERTS . I was thirteen the 27th of last October.

Q. Do you know it is a wrong thing to tell a lie - A. Yes.

Q. Is it a bad thing to tell a lie when you are sworn - A. Yes.

Q. What do you think will happen to you if you swear falsely - if you tell a lie when you are upon oath - A. God Almighty will not love me.

Q. Were you walking with Mrs. Fieldhouse on Sunday - A. Yes; I was going up Turnmill street along with Mrs. Fieldhouse.

Q. Had Mrs. Fieldhouse a child with her in her arms - A. Yes, she was carrying of it.

Q. Did you see any boys near her walking in the street - A. Yes, there were three.

Q. Whereabouts were they in the street - A. They were standing by two courts opposite of Castle street.

Q. Did you pass them as you walked along - A. Yes.

Q. Were they standing on the same side of the way as you were walking - A. They were standing up against a house; we passed them; they said let the lady pass.

Q. When you had passed did they remain there stand still up the house - A. No; they followed us up to Clerkenwell green; then two of them left us; they went away, and Hatchman followed us up to Pear Tree court.

Q. Had you seen William Hatchman before - A. Yes, many times; he lives in Sharp's alley; I know him well.

Q. He followed you to Pear tree court - A. Yes; and he hit Mrs. Fieldhouse a blow on the side of the head.

Q. Were you before Mrs. Fieldhouse or behind her - A. We were both together; the prisoner was behind us; he crossed over the way first and then crossed over again, and come behind her, and hit her a blow on the side of the head, I saw him do it; I saw him come behind her and hit her a blow on the side of the head.

Q. What did he hit her with - A. With his fist; then he took the bonnet and veil off and ran up Pear tree court.

Q. Did you observe particularly how his hand went when he hit her - A. He clenched his hand and hit her, I saw him; I am positive sure it was him, I run up

the court along with Mrs. Fieldhouse; the court is a thoroughfare.

Q. Did he run through the court - A. There are three places where he could go through. Another man ran round with me to see whether he came out of a public house; but he did not.

Q. Did you see him afterwards when he was taken - A. I saw him afterwards; I think it was on the Tuesday that I saw him.

Q. That was after he was taken - A. Yes.

Cross-examined by Mr. Walford. Where do you live - A. At Pancras.

Q. What time in the evening was it - A. Between four and five on the 4th of December. It was quite dark.

Q. How happened you to be watching him, and to see him cross over the street - how happened it that you did not look strait forward - A. I heard somebody behind, I just looked back and saw him, I knew him, living in Sharp's alley.

Q. As it was dark how could you see him - A. I could see him; there is a shop there with a light, they call it the Flying Pleman's, he sells pudding; that was close to where it was done.

Q. Are you quite sure that he doubled his fist to make this blow - A. I am quite sure that he doubled his fist; he took his fist to give the blow, and his other hand to take the bonnet off; it was both at one time.

Q. Then he did not draw his hand back, but put his other hand and took the bonnet off - A. Yes; that was the way it was done.

Q. How long had you seen him before he snatched the bonnet - A. I had seen him about ten minutes, I dare say, while we were going up Turnmill street.

GEORGE MANSFIELD . I lodged at the White Bear in St. John street in the beginning of December.

Q. Do you know the prisoner at the bar, Hatchman - A. Yes, I know him.

Q. Do you recollect any evening or night his coming to your lodging - A. It was on a Sunday night, I did not take any particular notice of the day of the month.

Q. Do you remember the time he was taken up - A. Yes. It was on the Sunday before he was taken up; I was a bed; the landlady came up and said there was a boy that wanted me; when I came down he said his father and mother were out, or a bed, I do not rightly recollect which; so I offered the landlord six pence.

Q. Can you at all guess at what time of the night it was - A. It was between six and seven in the evening; I had been a bed from eleven o'clock in the forenoon; I was very ill.

Q. And he came up, did he - A. Yes.

Q. Had he any thing with him - A. Yes, a woman's bonnet made of straw.

Q. And you call it a woman's bonnet - A. Yes.

Q. Do you know the difference between a woman's bonnet, and a woman's hat - A. No.

Q. Had he any thing besides the bonnet - A. Yes; a bit of gauze, I call it, in the crown of it; he left the bonnet there, and told me it belonged to a young woman of the name of Bet Dutch. He slept all night with me, and left it with me; in the morning he went away.

Q. In the morning what became of this bonnet and this thing inside of it - A. This young woman came for it.

Q. Did you know her - A. Yes, by seeing her about; I delivered it to her.

Cross-examined by Mr. Walford. You lodged at the White Bear - A. Yes.

Q. Have you not had the misfortune to be suspected of this yourself - A. No.

Q. Have you never been accused of this - A. No, never.

Q. The next morning the young woman came for it as he himself said she would - A. Yes.

JOHN MATTHEWS . I am an officer of Hatton Garden office. I received information on the Monday morning; I went to a certain place where I knew they used to resort, I did not find him there; on the Tuesday morning I met with him at a house in Turnmill street; I took him in custody and took him before a magistrate; he was committed for re-examination; I took Mansfield in custody for the offence; it turned out he was at home at the time; he was kept in custody till the Friday, the examination came on, then he was discharged, he was admitted as an evidence.

Q. Did you take up the girl - A. No; she has absconded ever since.

Mr. Walford. You did suspect the last witness - A. Yes.

Q. And you had him in custody - A. Yes.

WILLIAM FOWLER . Q. You keep the White Bear public house in St. John street - A. I do.

Q. Do you recollect on Sunday evening the prisoner coming to your house - A. I do; he came to get a lodging there.

Q. Had he any thing with him - A. No, nothing at all but what he stood upright in.

COURT. You say he brought nothing with him but what he stood upright in - A. Not as I saw.

Q. And he stopped some time - A. Yes, he stopped and had something to drink.

Q. When he came to your house did he enquire for any body - A. He enquired for nobody particular.

Q. Did any body come and speak to him - A. No.

Q. Where did he lodge in your house - A. Why, in my house, he slept in the first story, the first room.

Q. Who slept in that room - A. There was a young man slept in that room of the name of George. The young lad came in and asked for him; I said I believe he is gone up to lay down in the bed.

Q. Then the prisoner asked for George - A. He did, that is very right.

Q. Did you call him down upon that - A. Yes; he came down in the tap room; George asked me if I could accommodate him with a bed, he said he would satisfy me whatever I pleased; I said you have got the bed yourself, surely accommodate your friend.

Mansfield. The young fellow brought up the bonnet in his hat.

The prisoner left his defence to his counsel, and called five witnesses, who gave him a good character.

GUILTY - DEATH , aged 16.

[ The prisoner was recommended to his Majesty's mercy on account of his youth and good character .]

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. justice Le Blanc.

DAVID BENSON.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-20
VerdictNot Guilty

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108. DAVID BENSON was indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house of John Schneider , about the hour of six at night, on the 3rd of

January , with intent to steal and burglariously stealing therein, a bear muff, value 36 s. the property of John Schneider .

JOHN SCHNEIDER . I live at No. 4, Holborn, the corner of Gray's Inn lane , I am a furrier ; the shop is part of the dwelling house; I occupy the whole of the house. On Tuesday evening the 3d of January, about six o'clock, I was up one pair of stairs at tea; I heard the cry of stop thief; I came down stairs in about five minutes, a gentleman brought the prisoner into the shop, and said this is the man that ran out of the shop; I looked about the shop before he was brought in; I saw the muff was gone from withinside the shop window.

Q. Have you seen the muff since - A. No. It was worth about thirty six shillings.

Q. Who was in the shop when you was up stairs - A. The shopwoman was in the room adjoining.

MARTHA TOMKINS . Q. You are shopwoman to the last witness - A. I am.

Q. Where were you in the evening of the 3d of this month - A. In a room adjoining the shop, there was no person in the shop. About six o'clock I heard the door open; the shop door was only fastened by a latch; when I heard the noise of the door opening, I instantly went forwards, I found the door open, and upon my missing a muff at the corner of the window by the door, I called out stop thief; I had seen the muff ten minutes before, and no body had been in the shop in the mean time; I staid in the shop; the prisoner was brought back in three minutes time.

Q. The muff has never been seen, has it - A. No.

Q. Was it light enough by the light of the lamps to see if any person was running away - A. If I had been near the door I might; as I was not near the door I could not.

ELEANOR REYNOLDS . Q. You are servant to Mr. Schneider are you - A. Yes.

Q. In what part of the house were you when this transaction happened - A. In the kitchen; the kitchen door is fronting of the shop.

Q. Did you hear or see any thing on the evening of the 3d of this month - A. I did; I was putting some water into the tea pot, I heard the shop door open; the shop woman ran immediately to go into the shop; I did not see any body in the shop, I saw a man's arm in the shop; I put my head on the left side of Mrs. Tomkins.

Q. Then she might see the man as well as you - A. She had a young child in her arms, which might have prevented her.

Q. Did you see any thing done by the man's arm - A. I saw him take something; I was not certain what it was; he took it from the right hand side corner of the window.

Q. Had you seen the muff there before - A. I had not seen the muff there before, but I know there always was one lay there.

JOHN EDDING . I live at 148, High Holborn, I am a cheesemonger. On Tuesday the 3d of January, about ten minutes past six, I was going up Holborn, I heard a woman say stop thief; I was about four or five yards from Mr. Schneider's door. I saw a man run from the door; I did not see any thing in his hand; he ran across the road as fast as he could; I followed him; he crossed over and came back again; I called out stop thief.

Q. You did not perceive that he dropped any thing - A. No; it was very dark; I should not have been able to see a muff if it had laid before me, without I had trod upon it; I caught him on the pavement; on his return there was a coach passed between us, then he slackened his pace.

Q. Had you the opportunity of particularly observing his person - A. I had not; I saw nobody else there. I never saw him before; I could not swear to the man that I took; only the person that I followed I brought back.

Prisoner's Defence. I was coming from Pimlico; I had been to a house there two or three days. About two or three o'clock I came home to my wife and drank tea; when I came out of the court just by, I heard a cry of stop thief, I ran after the man, I missed him; a man came after me and said he believed I was the man. I said I did not know, I believed he was wrong. The master of the shop laid hold of my ears and wrong them well.

NOT GUILTY .

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. justice Chambre.

SARAH GEORGE, MARIA NODES.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-21
VerdictGuilty > theft under 40s
SentenceTransportation

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109. SARAH GEORGE and MARIA NODES were indicted for feloniously stealing on the 30th of December , a cloak, value 9 s. a bed, value 30 s. a bolster, value 2 s. two pillows, value 2 s. a petticoat, value 6 d. two napkins, value 1 s. 6 d. the property of Eleanor Brooks , widow , in the dwelling house of John Rafey .

ELEANOR BROOKS . Q. Are you a widow - A. I pass for a widow; my husband for twenty four years has been at sea, he has not been heard of, his name was John Brooks ; I lodge in Musgrove buildings, Homerton , in John Rafey's house; I have only a one pair of stairs front room.

Q. Do you know either of them women at the bar - A. I know Sally George very well; the other I do not know so well.

Q. Did she lodge in the same house with you - A. Yes, in the next room.

Q. Did the other woman lodge in the house - A. Yes, she came just before I went out nursing.

Q. When was it that you went out upon this occasion of nursing - A. I think it was on a Saturday. I cannot recollect.

Q. How long was it before you were alarmed with the loss of your things - A. I had been absent five weeks from my lodging.

Q. I suppose you meaned to return to your lodging - A. Yes.

Q. Was the furniture in the room your own or your landlords - A. It was my own.

Q. When you went out upon this occasion who did you give the key of your room - A. Sarah George .

Q. What was she to take the key for - A. I was very ill before I went out; she was very good in doing things for me, and so I liked the girl; I told her to take care of my bed and keep it aired; I did not know but I might not return ill again.

Q. Had you mentioned to her how long you supposed you should be absent - A. She knew I was to be absent a month; I was absent five weeks.

Q. Had you returned in the space of that time to your lodging - A. I believe I might be once, but I cannot recollect.

Q. How far was it of that you went to nurse - A. I think it was a mile.

Q. When was it while you were absent from your lodgings that you received any alarm that brought you back - A. On the Saturday morning before my month was up on the Sunday; it was a Saturday in Christmas time.

Q. Was it the Saturday before Christmas day - A. No, it was Saturday morning: after I received some information from the landlord and his wife, they came to me.

Q. In consequence of something they told you did you go to your lodgings - A. Yes.

Q. When you returned to your room what did you discover - A. A naked room; my drawers were stripped of my clothes, and my box was stripped.

Q. Among other things did you miss the articles in the indictment - A. Yes, and more.

Q. You missed a cloak, a feather bed, a bolster, two pillows, two napkins, and two chairs - A. Yes, out of my room.

Q. When did you see these articles again - A. On the Saturday; that same day I saw them: Sarah George came to me where I was nursing, saying that she would help me home with my things; that was after my landlord and landlady had been to me. Then I told my master, where I was, that she was the young woman that had robbed me.

Q. Then after having found that you missed these things from your room, you had gone back to the place where you were nursing - A. Yes.

Q. And then Sarah George came to you - A. Yes; my master sent for an officer; she was taken in custody on that same day.

Q. Where was it that you saw you things again - A. At George Corbyn 's house; I saw all the things mentioned in the indictment.

Q. Where is George Corbyn 's house - A. In Shepherd's lane, Homerton. They were delivered to Mr. Griffiths; I knew them to be mine.

JOHN RAFEY . I live at No. 13, Musgrove buildings Homerton; I rent the house and live in it.

Q. You let some part of it, we understand in lodgings - A. Yes.

Q. Do you remember Mrs. Brooks coming to lodge with you - A. Yes; she came at the half quarter before Christmas; she had the one pair of stairs front room, and furnished it herself.

Q. Did the prisoner Sarah George come to lodge with you - A. Yes, they both came within a day or two; Sarah George lodged there seven weeks, the other prisoner came about a fortnight after; she lodged in the same room with George.

Q. Do you remember Mrs. Brooks going out to nurse as you understood - A. Yes.

Q. Did you know that the key of the room was left with Sarah George - A. Yes.

Q. When was it that you made any observations about this matter - A. On the 30th of December, a little after seven in the evening, I was coming home from my work; I saw Nodes carrying a box just by Homerton chapel, about fifty yards from my house; she was going as from my house.

Q. Did any thing pass between you and her - A. No; I heard her come in a little while after, that I took to be her; I did not see her; I was busy in a little back room; a little while after Sarah George came in and left a candle in the room while she went out; I was in my lower front room.

Q. Was the candle alight - A. It was in a candle stick; she used commonly to leave the candle there while she went out, it had been lighted; in about ten minutes she returned into the house again, lighted the candle she had left with me; she did not stay up stairs above a minute, and then she came down again; I had suspicion that they were leaving my room just for the week's rent; I saw something in her hand which I took for a candlestick.

Q. Did you see the other prisoner with her at that time - A. No; I heard her speak to the other prisoner when I was in the back room; on my having suspicion that they were leaving my lodgings, I ran up stairs, I saw both doors locked; Sarah George's room door, and Mrs. Brooks' room door; I saw a light through the key hole, in Mrs. Brooks' room; I saw the bed and curtains on fire.

Q. You mean the feather bed - A. Yes, the bed and curtains; I bursted open the door and tore down the hangings of the bed, and put the flames out, and cried out fire; I saw Mrs. Brook's drawers were stripped, and the room pretty near stripped of the things.

Q. Till this time you had not been aware of any thing being missing from Mrs. Brook's room - A. No; I saw the things the next day at George Corbyn 's house in Shepherd's lane; I knew a great many of the things.

Q. Had she more beds than one - A. Yes.

Q. Then part of the articles you saw was a bed at Corbyn's - A. Yes.

Q. It was on Friday you discovered what you have mentioned and on Saturday you saw the things at Corbyn's - A. Yes.

Q. Mrs. Brooks had told us that Mrs. George was apprehended at her masters where she was nursing - A. Yes.

Q. When was Nodes taken - A. On the Saturday, just by the room where the goods were taken; I was there.

Q. Do you know whether the prisoner Nodes had access to that room as well as George - A. I do not think she had so much.

Q. Had you ever seen her there - A. I cannot say that ever I had.

Q. George and Nodes lodged together in the same room in the house - A. Yes.

Cross-examined by Mr. Curwood. You did not know any thing of the state of the room before you went up to it that day - A. No.

Q. You do not know whether the things were there before - A. I do not know whether they were that day or not.

Q. How do you know they were there any other day - A. I knew Mrs. Brooks had a great many nice clothes, and many other things; I moved her goods from her lodgings to my house.

Q. But whether Mrs. Brooks, or any body else might have taken them away, you cannot say of your own knowledge - A. Mrs. Brooks was not at home to have taken them away.

GEORGE CORBYN . I am a coachman; I live in Shepherd's lane.

Q. How far is Shepherd's lane from Musgrove place - A. About a quarter of a mile from Rafey's.

Q. Do you know the two prisoners - A. I have seen

them since they came to lodge at my house.

Q. When was it they came to you - A. They came last Monday was a fortnight and took the room.

Q. Did they come together - A. No, George came first.

Q. Did you know her before that time - A. No; she took the room of my wife, I was not at home, I did not see her then; I saw her on the Wednesday, and I saw Nodes on the Thursday; I saw them go into the room on the Thursday with several bundles; they brought in the bed between them. On the Friday night they came into the room; the things were found in my house on the Saturday by Sharman, the constable; they were left that night in the room, and both the prisoners were taken to the cage; they were both brought there on the Saturday, and Mrs. Brooks came and owned the things; the things were delivered to Mr. Griffiths.

WILLIAM SHARMAN . I am an headborough. On the 31st of December I took Sarah George where Mrs. Brooks was nursing; the other I took from Corbyn's.

Q. Did you see the things that were found in the house - A. I did; they were left there that night; they were delivered on Monday to Mr. Griffiths.

Q. Did you see the things that were set fire to - A. Yes; at Rafey's.

Q. Was the fire in more than one part of the hangings - A. Yes, several places, and one place in the bed, and in the sacking, and the curtains; there were some shavings between the tick and the sacking.

DEBORAH RAFEY . Q. You are the wife of John Rafey - A. Yes. I was not at home at the time; I saw the appearance of fire in the room; Sarah George was left in trust with the key.

JAMES GRIFFITHS . I went to Corbyn's to fetch the goods away, I found them in a little room up one pair of stairs; I have had the care of them ever since.

The property produced and identified.

George's Defence. I leave it to the gentlemen of the jury.

Nodes's Defence. The same.

George called two witnesses, who gave her a good character.

GEORGE, GUILTY, aged 17.

NODES, GUILTY, aged 18.

Of stealing to the value of thirty nine shillings only .

Transported for Seven Years .

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. Baron Thompson.

GEORGE DYER.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-22
VerdictGuilty
SentenceTransportation

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110. GEORGE DYER was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 8th of January , eight ducks, value 1 l. and four drakes, value 1 l. the property of Thomas Arnold Lockley .

WILLIAM SHEATH . I live in Westham, Essex , I am Mr. Thomas Arnold Lockley 's gardener. I lost these ducks last Sunday night, they were in a hen house; I missed them on Monday morning, I had seen them on the over night, between four and five in the evening; they were locked up in the hen house in an enclosed yard; I lost eight ducks from the poultry house, and five from the fattening house, and three chickens besides I lost.

Q. Why do you accuse this man of taking them - A. On Tuesday morning I went to Leadenhall market, I found twelve out of the thirteen; they were all alive.

Q. Are you sure these ducks are your master's - A. Yes; they had a private mark on them, and one of the drakes had but one eye.

Q. Do you know any thing of the man - A. He lived about a quarter of a mile from us; I cannot say I know him, I know his wife very well.

DENNIS RIORDEN . I was in Leadenhall market; the prisoner ran away when he heard the market people say he stole the ducks.

JOHN ROGERS . I buy and sell things in Leadenhall market; I live in the Borough. On Monday I bought these ducks of the prisoner.

Q. Sheath came to you and claimed some ducks - A. Yes; I bought the twelve ducks of the man at the bar; on Tuesday Mr. Sheath claimed them; I took them home on the Monday night; on the Tuesday I brought them to sell. I gave two shillings and two pence a piece for them.

Q. to Riorden. You had heard that this prisoner had sold the ducks to Rogers - A. Yes. When he heard the market people tell me that he was the man that sold the ducks he ran away and I ran down Lime street after him and catched him; I asked him how he came by the ducks; he told me he picked them up on the road; I brought him into the Poulterer's Arms and sent for a constable; the constable took him to the Poultry compter.

GEORGE HANCOCK . I am a constable of Leadenhall market. On Monday morning, about a quarter to six, the prisoner asked me where Mr. Rogers was; I told him he was gone to light his pipe, he would be there directly; he asked me if I could procure him a basket; I did. Mr. Rogers bought them in the market, and paid a market price for them; he returned me the basket.

Q. Is the prisoner the man - A. Yes; I am sensible of it, by his being in the market before.

Q. What was he doing in the market before - A. Selling poultry, I believe.

Q. Did you see how many ducks there were - A. No, I did not know till after he was taken.

JOHN PENNER . I am an officer of Cheap ward. Mr. Lockley's gardener sent to me because the officer of Leadenhall market would not take charge of this man; I took him to the Compter.

The property produced and identified.

Prisoner's Defence. I work at the London docks; I was coming up in the morning, I saw a man with some ducks, he asked me to buy them; I gave him two shillings a piece for them; I came up to the market and sold them to Mr. Rogers for two shillings and two pence.

Q. to Sheath. How did he get the hen house open - A. He got into the yard by knocking the paling down, and then he wrenched the door open.

GUILTY , aged 30.

Transported for Seven Years .

London jury, before Mr. Recorder.

CHARLES JAMES.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-23
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation
SentenceDeath

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111. CHARLES JAMES, alias EDWARDS , was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 27th of October , six hundred yards of cambric muslin, value 50 l. the property of Margaret Thompson , widow , Philip George Thompson , and Robert Cuth Thompson , in a certain boat on the navigable river Thames .

The case was stated by Mr. Gurney.

JOHN M'QUEEN . Q. Are you in the service of Messrs. Holdsworth and Hall, who are packers - A. Yes; they reside in Crosby square.

Q. On a day previous to the 26th of October had you packed some trunks for Mr. Davis - A. Yes.

Q. Among them were there four trunks marked PD 6, 7, 8, and 9 - A. Yes.

Q. What did the trunks contain - A. One hundred and four pieces of cambric muslin.

Q. When they were packed where were they sent to - A. To Porter's quay; I loaded them in the cart; they were sent to Porter's quay by Alder our carman.

JOHN ALDER . Q. You are carman to Messieurs Holdsworth and Hall - A. I am.

Q. On the 26th of October did you take these trunks to Porter's quay and deliver them there - A. I did, at Porter's quay, in Thames street .

PHILIP GEORGE THOMPSON . Q. You are the occupiers of Porter's quay - A. No, Messrs. Holdsworth and Hall; I am the lighterman attending at Porter's quay; my partners names are Margaret Thompson , Philip George Thompson (myself) and Robert Cuth Thompson .

Q. On the 26th of October last did you receive from the last witness any packages marked PD 6, 7, 8, and 9 - A. Yes; I shipped them between eleven and twelve in a lug boat laying off Porter's quay; the tide not suiting, I thought it proper to keep them on the quay that night.

Q. Was the prisoner in your service - A. He was an apprentice to my father; Dale, the accomplice, was a regular watchman, his business was to watch the craft of a night.

Q. Did you attend to see him that night on the watch - A. I did, between nine and ten o'clock.

Q. How soon the next morning did you see your craft - A. I did not see it the next morning; the lug boat had gone her journey by another man.

Q. After you had discovered that James was in custody upon this, did you bring back the trunks again - A. I did, myself; I went to Blackwall and got it before it was received into the ship out of my own lug boat, the trunk No. 8.

Q. When you found it had been unpacked, and repacked - A. Yes; it was so well done I could not discover it; when I came to open it I found fifteen pieces of muslin, and upon the top of it were stumps of brooms.

Q. Did these fifteen pieces fill the trunk - A. Oh no, not much above half; on the muslin were stumps of brooms and the birch, to the amount of two brooms, I suppose.

COURT. It filled up the vacancy - A. Exactly so.

Mr. Gurney. And done so neatly that your eye could not discover that it had been unpacked - A. No.

Q. You and your partners are responsible for these goods when they are delivered to you - A. Yes; the trunk is here.

Q. to Macqueen. Is that one of the trunks that you packed - A. It is; the mark at the bottom is PD No. 8.

Q. Is that the sort of goods that you packed for Mr. Davis - A. It is.

Mr. Gleed to Thompson. Have you mentioned all the names of your partners - A. I have.

Q. When the trunks were delivered to you, were they delivered to you in person - A. They were not.

Q. So that you did not make the mark PD - A. No. There were twenty four trunks put in the boat.

Q. Are you able to say that the trunks that were put in the lug boat, that is one of them before you - A. I will take my oath of it.

Q. They were covered up in matting - A. They were so; this side of the trunk is left outside; the merchant gave me the numbers; we prick them off; the matting does not go round, it covers the top; the mark is on the bottom.

Q. You say this man was an apprentice of your father's - A. Yes; I believe he had been out of his time in November.

Q. Where the lug boat was, it was not in the river Thames, but in one of the creeks - A. No, it was in the Thames.

Mr. Gurney. You yourself received them on board the lug boat, and you are quite certain they are the same - A. I am quite certain they are the same.

EDWARD ROBERTS . Q. What are you - A. I am one of the patrols of East Smithfield.

Q. On the night of the 26th, or the morning of the 27th of October, were you in East Smithfield - A. I was. Between four and five in the morning I saw four men come out of East Smithfield, down Butcher row; two of them kept on the side I was on, and two crossed over on the other side; the first was the prisoner at the bar, he had a bundle under his arm; I crossed over; the hindmost man I elbowed, and thought he had nothing; I followed the prisoner into a dark entry, I was about five or six paces behind him, when he put the bag down by the corner of a house in the dark entry; I went up to him and asked him what he had got there. he said nothing; I put my stick to the bag, and at the same time I kicked my foot against it; I went to put my hand to lay hold of him, at the same time I kicked the bag farther away; he made a spring and ran away.

Q. Did you find the bag contained any thing in it - Yes; I ran after him; before we got out of the dark entry a man in a blue coat got between us; I made a blow at his head in order to knock him down, but I missed it; I continued pursuing the prisoner; he ran into my partner's hand at the top of Dean street; he was stopped at the top of Dean street by Adams. I never lost sight of him before he was stopped.

Q. How far was this dark entry where you left the bag to where the prisoner was taken - A. About one hundred and fifty yards or two hundred yards; I told Adams to take the prisoner to the watchhouse. I went back to the dark entry for the property. I found the bag contained five pieces of muslin.

Cross-examined by Mr. Gleed. How long is this dark entry - A. About twenty yards.

Q. How far behind the men that was running from you might you be at any time - fifteen yards from him - A. No; I think I should have got hold of him if it had not been for the man that ran between him and me.

- ADAMS. Q. You are another patrol of East Smithfield - were you on duty on the morning of the 27th in East Smithfield - A. Yes. The prisoner was running up Dean street as hard as he could run; the last witness was close to him. I took him to the watch-house.

GEORGE DALE . Q. Were you a watchman in the employ of Messrs. Thompson - A. I was, at Porter's quay.

Q. On the night of October the 26th were you on the watch - A. I was, at Porter's quay.

Q. In the course of the night did any person come

down to you - A Not on that night, but on the 27th, which was two o'clock in the morning.

Q. Who came down to you - A. Charles James .

Q. Do you mean the prisoner at the bar - A. Yes, I do, sir.

Q. Where were you when he came down - A. In the lighter, called the Providence; the lug boat was along side of it in the same quay; he called to me by name, he said halloa, Dale; I answered; he said were you asleep; I said no, but I had been; he said shall we get to work; I said at what; he said with them Peters, meaning the trunks; I told him such things could not be done without making a noise; he said poh, you are afraid of your shadow, we can take them down the lighter hold, I have got Thomas Long here; he said directly to me what do you say; I said I do not know; with that, he goes up the scuttle of the lighter, went upon the quay and brought Thomas Long down. He then proceeded into the lug boat and handed two trunks over to Thomas Long ; Thomas Long took them from him and brought them along the deck, he came to me and said take hold of them.

Q. Did you take hold of them - A. I did; I put them down the scuttle of the lighter; Charles James came in out of the boat and went down into the hold of the lighter with Thomas Long , they shut the skuttle of the lighter over them: I went up on the quay, I walked there some time, when I heard a knocking on the skuttle of the lighter: I went into the lighter; I lifted the skuttle up, I perceived a light in the hold of the lighter.

Q. Were there no light when you left them - A. None at all; Charles James said to me, I wish you would get me a broom; I asked him what he wanted with the broom; he told me to break up and put in the trunks; I immediately went on the quay, to a place called the tackle house, where we had got upwards of sixteen brooms and implements for the lighters; I from there brought him four old brooms; I gave them to him and the scuttle was shut; I walked the lighter's deck; in the course of that time I heard a knocking repeatedly as if they were nailing; after that was done, I lifted up the scuttle and asked if they were done; they said yes; there was a light then; Charles James came on the deck and asked me if we should get the trunks over into the boat again, and return them in their place; I said yes.

Q. Did you do it - A. We did do it.

Q. You restored the trunks to the lug boat - A. We did.

Q. After you had done that what did you do - A. Charles James returned out of the boat, after he had replaced the trunks; he went down in the hold and called me; when I came down, he asked me what I was going to take; I asked him what he had got.

Q. Was Long there too - A. Yes; he said cambrics.

Q. Did you find there were cambrics there - A. I did not know, I was no judge.

Q. Were they such as things as these - A. They were.

Q. Did you take some - A. I did; they asked me first how many I could take; I said I did not know; with that Thomas Long presented one piece to me; I put that in my pocket; he then gave me another; I put that in my pocket; he gave me two more, which I put under my waistcoat, around me; Long was down in the hold; Charles James came up with a bag; Long came with a handkerchief.

Q. Where did you all go to - A. Down East Smithfield, I was behind them; we came down the Butcher row; there came a person and passed me as if he was going forward to him that was a head of me, and when we got down the dark passage I heard him say to James, what have you got there; I walked right on and escaped, and saw no more of Charles James till I saw him at the office.

Cross-examined by Mr. Gleed. How long have you been watchman to Messrs. Thompsons - A. Not very long; I have been a watchman some years.

Q. Then on the 27th you began the night by going to sleep - A. It is impossible for a man to be up sixteen nights upon a stretch without some sleep

Q. Sometimes it is impossible for a man to be honest - A. Very true.

Q. You are not a very young man - A. No.

Q. The prisoner is a young man - A. A great deal younger than me.

Q. Have you told all that passed - A. No; you have not asked me.

Q. The first thing that was said to you, was, shall we go to work - A. Yes.

Q. You understood it at once - A. I did, because he called the trunks Peters himself before; in taking in the goods, he said here comes the Peters. I did not know what the Peters were till he told me.

Q. You being a watchman did not know what Peters were - A. No.

Q. It was a strange term - A. It was a strange term.

Q. You understood it at once it was to break them open and steal the contents - A. That is without a doubt.

Q. Now the term Peter being a strange term to you and you understood it immediately - it did not occur to you to take him into custody immediately - A. No.

Q. You reasoned with him - A. I did.

Q. Of avoiding detection - A. Yes.

Q. Pray how long have you known Long - A. Not long.

Q. Have you known him a month or two - A. No.

Q. Is he a young man or not - A. I cannot say; by the appearance of the man in the dark I could not say whether he was young or no.

Q. Was not Long a man that you knew perfectly well - A. He was not, I never had any connection with him whatever.

Q. You soon acquiesed with them - A. I was as culpable as them.

Q. Perhaps you proposed it - A. No.

Q. Then perhaps you were shocked at the proposal - A. I was not.

Q. Then the first time it was proposed to you, you being an honest man till that moment, you consented to it at once - A. I did.

Q. At the time these things were taken into the hold who got the candle - A. Thomas Long .

Q. They had the light below - did he strike a light - A. I do not know, because the scuttle was shut over.

Q. How do you know that he got a light - A. Because he brought the implements with him.

Q. How do you know that he brought the implements with him - A. Because the other was unprepared seemingly; I saw a light, I cannot positively say which got a light.

Q. Pray about fetching these brooms, did you ever fetch brooms before - A. I have fetched them for my master.

Q. It was a matter of astonishment to you when the brooms were asked for - A. It was; I never heard of such a thing before.

Q. Were you a person known as a watchman that had the guard and protection of this place - A. Yes.

Q. And these men knew the fact - A. Yes.

Q. Do you mean to make the jury believe that these men, knowing you were the watchman, came and proposed it to you at once - A. They did.

Q. When the property was dropped in the dark entry were there four men - A. With the man that took Charles James , that made the fourth.

Mr. Gurney. If there was any other man walking there you did not notice him - A. No.

Q. to Thompson. What is the value of these five pieces of cambric - A. A guinea each, the five is worth five guineas.

Q. You have to pay for them - A. I have.

Q. What is the total number lost out of the trunk - A. Out of this trunk eleven.

M'Queen. There were twenty six pieces in each trunk, and there is fifteen left.

Q. to Thompson. Did you see James when he was in custody - A. I did.

Q. Before you tell us what he said, did you make use of any promise or any threat - A. None whatever. He sent Smith the officer to me, to say that he would tell me every thing that passed: he told me that he had been opening two of the trunks in the boat; that he assisted with Long and Dale in taking as many pieces as they could; that it being the first time he had ever done so, he hoped I would be merciful to him.

Q. to M'Queen. Did you with your own hand pack up the whole of these trunks - A. Yes.

Q. And Mr. Davis was the owner of the goods - A. Yes.

Prisoner's Defence. The man that has turned evidence against me often times got me to do that I should not.

GUILTY - DEATH , aged 22.

[ The prosecutor recommended the prisoner to his Majesty's mercy on account of his youth and believing it to be his first offence .]

London jury, before Mr. Recorder.

THOMAS HUMPAGE.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-24
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceTransportation

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112. THOMAS HUMPAGE was indicted for feloniously making an assault, in the King's highway, upon Margaret Howell , spinster , on the 7th of January , putting her in fear, and feloniously taking from her person, and against her will a bank note, value 5 l. and three other bank notes, value 1 l. each, her property .

MARGARET HOWELL . I live at Mr. Moggridge's, No. 101, Fleet street, he is a shoemaker; I am his sister in law. On Saturday, about five o'clock in the evening, I was returning home from Messrs. Robarts, and co. bankers, in Lombard street.

Q. What did you receive there - A. A five pounds note, and three ones bank notes; I had got as far as the Mansion house, the prisoner laid hold of my arm, he said young woman, have you not been to the banking house, you must return back to the banking house immediately, the notes are wrong; I returned from the Mansion house to the first turning, George street , I had the notes in my hand; he snatched them out of my hand and ran up George street; I immediately ran after him and cried out stop thief; he was stopped in St. Swithin's lane; John Raine stopped him.

Q. Did you gave him the notes to look at - A. No, he snatched them from me.

Q. Then you did not intend to part with them - A. No.

Q. Had you seen him before - A. I saw him at the banker's steps when I came out.

JOHN RAINE . I am a merchant. On Thursday evening, near five o'clock, I went through Lombard street into St. Swithin's lane; as I turned out of Lombard street into St. Swithin's lane I heard the prosecutrix screaming out stop thief, I was at the corner, I saw the prisoner; he turned round the corner out of Bearbinder lane; I prepared to meet him; I turned him up against the window; the person who was behind me, I do not know which, laid hold of him first; I believe we both laid hold of him as near as possible together; I had hold of him in the front and the other behind; he dropped his arm as if he was going to throw something down; I kept my eye on his hand; I saw him rise it again, and he put the notes into the bridge of the shutter, where the shutters slide in; I took it out immediately; there were plenty had hold of him at the same time; I took the number of the notes, and gave them to the prosecutrix; I went to the banker to see whether she had taken them from Messrs. Robarts.

RICHARD MOGGRIDGE . I am a boot and shoemaker, in Fleet street; I know nothing of the transsaction, only sending my sister with a check. I have the notes; I received them from my sister.

The property produced and identified.

JOHN ASHTON . I am a merchant. On my returning home from the Change, near five o'clock, I observed the prisoner made a snatch at this young lady; on hearing her scream I ran; the prisoner is the person, I am sure; he was stopped when I came up to him.

- NICHOLLS. I live at No. 36, St. Swithins lane, almost opposite of Bearbinder lane, I am a green grocer. I stood at my door, I thought I heard a cry of murder; I ran into Bearbinder lane, I saw a mob of people and the prisoner at the head of them; I made a catch at him and tore the skirt of his coat clean off, and turned him round; I catched hold of his collar with both my hands; then Mr. Raine came up and took hold of him; I have the skirt of his coat now, there is a handkerchief in it and some cards.

DANIEL LEADBETTER . I only know the prisoner was brought to me; I took him to the Mansion house; the right tap of the coat is torn off; it appears a spencer now.

Prisoner's Defence. As I was passing the Mansion house, towards home, I heard the cry of stop thief; I ran as well as the others; they took hold of me, being the foremast man; I ran faster than the others.

The prisoner called three witnesses, who gave him a good character.

GUILTY, aged 29.

Of stealing, but not violently from the person .

Transported for Seven Years .

London jury, before Mr. Recorder.

.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-25
VerdictGuilty
SentenceTransportation

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113. TULLY M'CONE was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 22nd of December , a table cloth cover,

value 10 s. ten pieces of carpet, value 10 s. a quarter of a pound weight of thread, value 1 s. and seven yards of canvas, value 6 s. the property of John Brown , Herbert Broom , and John Harris .

The case was stated by Mr. Gurney.

JOHN HARRIS . Q. You, I believe, keep a carpet warehouse in Leicester fields - A. I do, with my partners John Brown and Herbert Broom . The prisoner has been in our service for a twelvemonth back; in consequence of suspicion he was taken up by the officer on Tuesday the 27th of December last.

Q. Had you before that missed these pieces of carpeting - A. On Saturday evening the 24th, I missed not only the piece mentioned in the indictment, but a large quantity of wrappers, above an hundred yards, which is not in the indictment; the table cloth cover I did not miss till it was found.

Q. How lately before had you seen the pieces of carpeting - A. It was about six weeks before that I had employed him to assist me in sorting a number of patterns, among which were these mentioned in the indictment; these are the patterns. Donaldson the officer went to search the lodgings; I accompanied him.

Q. Before you went to search did you enquire where he lodged - A. I did; he told me he lodged at 23, Exeter street in the Strand; a young man in the warehouse told him he knew he did not; he persisted he did; the officer took a key from him, he stated it was the key of his room door; he also described the room to be a back room up two pair of stairs; I accompanied the officer; I found he did not lodge there. I afterwards found out he lodged in Berwick street; I am not sure whether it is the Black Swan or the Black Lion. The constable took two keys from him; one unlocked the chamber door, and the other unlocked the prisoner's trunk; there was a shirt in that trunk; inside of that was a green cloth table cover; I immediately knew it to be the property of my partners and myself, from the private mark that was attached to it. I received from the hands of the landlord other articles - pieces of carpeting and thread.

JOSEPH TOURNIER . I keep the Black Lion in Berwick street.

Q. In the month of December last did the prisoner lodge with you - A. Yes, about three weeks before Mr. Harris came to search. I gave to Mr. Harris some pieces of carpeting which the prisoner gave me.

Q. Did he state to you how he came by those pieces of carpeting - A. Seeing my bed room door open, he said landlord, you have no bedside carpeting; I said no, I cannot afford them; he ran up stairs and brought down these pieces of carpeting; I asked him how he came by them, he said they were his perquisites, he did not want any thing for them; I was in a hurry, I throwed them down in the room; when Mr. Harris came I delivered them to him.

ANN TOURNIER . Q. Did you receive a canvas wrapper from the prisoner - A. I did. The prisoner asked me if I wanted any thing to make wrappers of; I said I did; he said he had something by him ever since he kept a house of his own; I asked him how much he asked for it, he said ten shillings. I gave it him.

The property produced and identified.

Prisoner's Defence. That table cloth cover I bought last May in the street; it never belonged to Mr. Harris or his partners.

GUILTY , aged 30.

Transported for Seven Years .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Recorder.

VINCENT ALESSI.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-26
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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114. VINCENT ALESSI was indicted for that he on the 11th of November feloniously did forge and counterfeit a bank note for the payment of 5 l. with intention to defraud the governor and company of the bank of England .

SECOND COUNT for feloniously disposing of and putting away a like forged note with the same intention; -

And several OTHER COUNTS. for like offence, only varying the manner of charging them.

Mr. Garrow, counsel for the prosecution, declining to offer any evidence, the prisoner was -

ACQUITTED .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Baron Thompson.

VINCENT ALESSI.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-27
VerdictNot Guilty > no evidence

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115. VINCENT ALESSI was indicted for that he on the 25th of November , feloniously, knowingly, and without lawful cause had in his custody and possession two forged bank notes, each of them for the payment of 5 l. he at the same time well knowing the said notes to be forged and counterfeited .

SECOND COUNT that he without having lawful excuse had in his custody a certain other forged five pound note, he knowing it to be forged.

Mr. Garrow, counsel for the prosecution, declining to offer any evidence, the prisoner was -

ACQUITTED .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Baron Thompson.

JOHN NICHOLLS.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-28
VerdictGuilty
SentenceDeath

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116. JOHN NICHOLLS was indicted for feloniously forging and counterfeiting on the 21st of November , a bank note for the payment of 5 l. with intention to defraud the governor and company of the bank of England .

SECOND COUNT for disposing of and putting away a like forged bank note with the same intention -

And TWO OTHER COUNTS for like offence, only stating it to be a promissory note, with the same intention.

The case was stated by Mr. Garrow.

SARAH TAYLOR . Q. You are the wife of John Taylor - A. Yes.

Q. Your husband keeps a public house in High Holborn - A. Yes, the sign of the Three Compasses.

Q. Do you know Alessi - A. Yes.

Q. Did you see him on the 25th of November last - A. Yes, between eight and nine o'clock at night. He came and asked if we had any good old port wine; my husband was standing just by him when he came in; he told him he had some very good; Alessi asked the price of it; he told him it was four shillings and sixpence; he asked whether with the bottle or without; he told him it was four shillings and nine pence with the bottle; he said he would take two bottles.

Q. Were the two bottles delivered to him - A. Yes; he gave me a five pound bank note; I had not sufficient change; I sent Simmonds out to get change; my husband came in, and asked what the gentleman was waiting for.

COURT. I thought you said he was standing by - A. Yes; but he went out and came in again.

WILLIAM SIMMONDS . Q. Do you lodge in the public house kept by Mr. Taylor - A. Yes.

Q. Do you remember on the 25th of November receiving a bank note to get change for the last witness - A. Yes.

Q. Do you remember Alessi, was he present at the time - A. Yes.

Q. Did you go for the purpose of getting it changed, and where did you go to - A. To Mr. Newman, the opposite neighbour, he is an oilman; I gave the note to Mr. Newman.

Q. Was that note that you gave to Mr. Newman the same that you received from Mrs. Taylor - A. Yes.

JOSEPH NEWMAN . Q. You are an oilman, No. 119, High Holborn - A. Yes.

Q. Do you remember on Friday evening, the 25th of November, the last witness, Simmonds, coming to your house with a bank note - A. Yes, very well, he brought it to get change.

Q. Should you know that note again if I was to shew it you - A. I put Taylor and two H's, which means High Holborn.

Q. Look at that note and tell me whether that is the note that you received from Simmonds - A. Yes; I am quite sure of it.

Q. Now that note you gave change for - A. Yes.

Q. What did you do with that note which you received from Simmonds - A. I gave it to Taylor in the course of a minute; I had had not finished 1808 when Taylor came in.

Q. You were writing when Taylor came in - A. Yes.

Cross-examined by Mr. Gurney. How soon after was it when you gave it back to Taylor - A. In the course of a minute or two.

Q. Had you mixed it with any other before you gave it back - A. Oh, no; I am quite sure of that.

Q. Nor that any other person had - A. No other person had any thing to do with it but myself; I had not finished writing upon it when Taylor came in.

JOHN TAYLOR . Q. You are the husband of Mrs. Taylor that I have been examining - A. Yes.

Q. Take that note in your hand - do you know that note - A. I do.

Q. Did you see that note at Mr. Newman's - A. Yes, I received it of Newman; my name is on the back of it, and with the name of Vincent Alessi .

Q. John Taylor , Vincent Alessi - when did you write that - A. In two minutes after I had it from Mr. Newman in my own house.

Q. Then are you quite sure that is the indentical note that you received from Mr. Newman - A. Quite sure.

Q. How was it that you went to Newman's - A. I suspected Vincent Alessi the moment he entered my house.

MARY MEREDITH . Q. I believe you lived servant with Mrs. Neave - A. Yes; she lived at that time No. 20, King street, Soho.

Q. Do you know a man of the name of Vincent Alessi - A. Yes.

Q. Did you see any thing of him in November last - Yes; I saw him at No. 20. King street, Soho, at my mistress's house.

Q. Did he give you any order to buy any thing for him - A. Yes, a pint of wine.

Q. What did he give you to pay for it - A. A five pound note; I took the note to Mrs. Dearlove, the corner of Dean street, she keeps the Bunch of Grapes.

Q. Does she sell wine - A. Yes; she keeps a wine vaults. I delivered the note to Mrs. Dearlove, she gave me the change; Mrs. Dearlove is here; that is the woman I delivered the note to.

MARTHA DEARLOVE . Q. Did you receive any note from the last witness in the beginning of November last - A. Yes; on the 11th of November.

Q. Did you make any mark on the note - A. Yes; This is the note I had from the last witness, it has my own writing on it; Mrs. Neave, 11th of November, 1838; E D on the top for Elizabeth Dearlove, my mother's name.

Cross-examined by Mr. Arabin. Mrs. Dearlove, I take it for granted you receive many notes - A. Not bad ones.

Q. You mark all your notes - A. Yes; with my mother's name.

Mr. Bosanquet. This is marked with Mrs. Neave's name - A. Yes.

Q. Had you any other note that you received from Mrs. Neave on the 11th of November - A. No.

Q. to Mary Meredith . Is that the person to whom you delivered the note - A. Yes.

Q. Did you carry any other note to Mrs. Dearlove on the 11th of November except that one which is laying here - A. No.

Mr. Garrow. Alessi, come forward.

Q. to Meredith. Is that the person you have been describing by the name of Alessi - A. Yes; this is the same person that gave me the note.

COURT. This is not the same note as was tendered to Mrs. Taylor - A. No.

Mr. Garrow. It is the second note, it is not in the indictment.

VINCENT ALESSI . Q. Your name is Vincent Alessi - A. Yes.

Q. You are an Italian by birth - A. Yes.

Q. Do you know the prisoner at the bar - A. I do.

Q. When did you first become acquainted with him - A. In Birmingham.

Q. How long ago - A. In the beginning of October last.

Q. Does he live at Birmingham - A. I think so.

Q. You understood so - A. Yes.

Q. Had you any dealings with him in October - A. I believe in October, at Birmingham.

Q. Did you afterwards see him in London - A. Yes.

Q. When was that - the first time - A. I believe in the month of November, I am not certain.

Q. Where did you lodge in London - A. At No. 39, Haymarket, the sign of the Lemon Tree.

Q. Did you see the prisoner there - A. Yes.

Q. Did he lodge there during his continuance in town - A. Yes.

Q. How long did he continue in town at that time - - A. Four or five days, I believe.

Q. Had you any dealings with him at that time in the Haymarket - A. Yes; with some notes.

Q. Tell us what transaction you had with him in the Haymarket with some notes - A. He came there; he had nineteen five pound bank notes.

Q. I will just ask you whether your former dealings with him at Birmingham had been with bank notes A. Yes.

Q. He came to the Haymarket, he had with him

nineteen five pound bank notes, what did he and you do with the bank notes - A. We passed some.

Q. What did you do with them - A. He sold them all to me.

Q. What price did you pay him for nineteen five pound notes - A. Thirty shillings each.

Q. Was that all that you paid him - A. Yes.

Q. What did you do with these bank notes after you bought them - A. I passed him some of them.

Q. Do you know a Mr. Taylor in Holborn - A. I do.

Q. Did you pass any one of these bank note to Mrs. Taylor - A. I went there to pass one, and they said it was bad; I gave it to the wife, and then the husband said it was bad.

Q. You was detained for uttering a forged bank note, and of course have remained in custody ever since - A. Yes.

Q. Now was that bank note which you delivered to Mrs. Taylor, one of the nineteen which the prisoner had sold to you in the Hay market - A. Yes, it was.

Q. You are sure of that - A. I am quite certain of it.

Q. Did you at any time visit a young woman of the name of Neave - A. I cannot say.

Q. Did you visit a young woman in Dean street, Soho - A. I cannot say I remember.

Q. Did you not give a young woman there a bank note - A. I do not think I ever saw her before, I cannot recollect.

Q. After you were in custody, did you tell any body where you got the bank notes from - A. Yes.

Mr. Garrow. I now produce the first letter.

THOMAS BEVERLEY WESTWOOD . Q. You are in the office of the solicitor of the bank - did you serve any copy of that notice to the prisoner at the bar - A. I did, on the 7th of January. (The notice read.)

Q. to Alessi. In consequence of the information that you had given, did you write a letter of which this is the copy - A. Yes.

Q. That is in your own hand writing - A. It is.

Q. You wrote a letter of which that is a draft of it - A. Yes.

Q. Did you deliver the original which you so wrote from that draft, which is a true copy, to Mr. Westwood - A. Yes.

Q. Mr. Westwood, that letter was delivered to you to put in the post, by that draft it was a correct copy of it, and so of the rest - A. Yes.

Q. Did you afterwards put that in the general post office - A. I did.

Q. A copy of this wrote on the 10th of December 1808, you put in on the 10th of December - A. I did, at the general post office, Lombard street.

Q. to Alessi. Did you in consequence of that, Alessi, receive this in answer - A. Yes.

Q. In consequence of your receiving that letter from Birmingham on the 12th, did you write this on the 13th - A. I did; I delivered it to Mr. Westwood.

Q. to Westwood. Look at that, did you in like manner put that in the general post office, Lombard street - A. I did. (The letters read.)

First Letter. Dated London, December 10, 1808; signed Vincent Alessi , and addressed to Mr. John Nicholls, No. 3, Digby street, Birmingham.

"Dear friend,

"I am resolved to go to America with my friend, therefore I shall want some of them candlesticks as I told you; if you could come to London as soon as possible, bring me twenty dozen No. 5; twenty four dozen No. 1; and four dozen No. 2; but I will give you no more than two guineas for your journey. Please to let me know when you will be in town, as I shall wait on you at my lodgings; send me a line immediately by return of post.

I am your humble servant, VINCENT ALESSI ."

A letter signed I N; dated Birmingham, December the 1th, 1808; addressed to Vincent Alessi , No. 39, Hay market, London.

"Dear sir,

"I received yours; in answer to which I can say, I can be in London about tomorrow week and not before; if that will be soon enough, let me know by return of post, and I will be punctual to my time; when I hope I shall have the pleasure of seeing you.

I remain your humble servant, I. N."

COURT. There is no proof of it being his hand writing and so I shall leave it to the jury.

Mr. Garrow to Alessi. Did you in the month of November write any other letter to Nicholls, except the two you have been speaking of - A. I wrote some other letter to Nicholls; I do not know whether it was in the month of November or December.

Q. Did you write any other letter to him after you were taken up, except the two that you gave to Westwood - A. No.

Q. This is the last letter; this is the one that was found upon the person of the prisoner; you saw this letter found upon him - A. Yes.

Q. At the time he was apprehended you saw the officer take this out of his pocket - A. Yes.

Signed Vincent Alessi . dated December 13th 1808, addressed to Mr. John Nicholls , No. 3, Digby street, Birmingham.

"Dear friend,

"I received your letter, and I understand that you cannot come before the time that you have mentioned, which I think will do very well; because we shall not go away before Christmas; if you can come on Sunday I shall like it best; let me know; I have no more to say than I remain your humble servant,

VINCENT ALESSI ."

Mr. Garrow to Alessi. In this first letter you talk of candlesticks, No. 2, and No. 5 - A. Yes.

Q. What do you mean by these candlesticks - A. Notes; candlesticks No. 2, two pound notes; and candlesticks No. 5, five pound notes; and candlesticks No. 1, one pound notes.

Q. What does a dozen candlesticks mean - A. One note.

COURT. There is twenty dozen mentioned - A. That is twenty notes.

Q. The dozen is only colour; then twenty dozen only means twenty - A. Yes; and four dozen means four notes.

Mr. Garrow. Had you ever any dealings with the prisoner for candlesticks - A. We talked about candlesticks.

Q. You never bought any candlesticks of him - A. No.

Q. When you wanted a supply of forged bank notes, how came you to call them dozens of candlesticks - A. Because the first thing that we talked was about candlesticks,

of which I had a notion of buying some, not of him.

Q In short, by whose direction did you describe forged notes by dozens of candlesticks - A By Mr. Nicholls' direction.

Q You have told us at the time of this correspondence you were in custody - A Yes.

Q Of course you were not at the Lemon Tree - A No.

Q Were you taken to the Lemon Tree by Foy and some other person - A. I was.

Q When was that - A I do not recollect the day.

Q Was it at the time according to the letter from the prisoner at Birmingham, when you expected him to arrive - A Yes, it was on that day.

Q How long had you been at the Lemon Tree before you were informed that the prisoner had come there - A About three or four or five hours.

Q Upon that you were permitted to go into a room by the officers, separated from them by a partition - A Yes.

Q Did you agree with the officers for any signal that you were to do, if any certain event happened - A Yes.

Q What were you do - A To put on my hat when I was certain that Mr. Nicholls had the notes in his possession.

Q What did the prisoner and you do after you went in to him - A We talked about this business about the notes; I asked him if he had brought them with him.

COURT. What did you ask him - A What he had brought, if he had brought these things; I did not mention what; he said yes; I asked him for a pencil and and little piece of paper; I think he cut it from that letter.

Mr. Garrow. He took out some letter from his pocket and tore some paper off, which you believe was this - A I cannot say it was that.

Q But you believe so - A Yes.

Q What was you to do with the pencil and the piece of paper - A To cast up all the notes - 20 dozen, No. 5, according to what I had ordered, at thirty shillings each, and to see what they came to.

Q Was the price of the same proportion of the smaller notes as the large ones - A Yes, at six shillings for a pound; that was the price of all.

Q So that you were to pencil the number of each, and cast how much six shillings in a pound would come to - A Yes; then I made out the account, and said it comes to so much money.

Q Do you recollect how much it came to - A I do not recollect it.

Q But you mentioned to him how much they came to - A I did, and I put down the price of the notes, and two guineas for his journey.

Q How came you to put down the two guineas for the journey - A Because in my first letter I proposed two guineas for the journey.

Q Upon your putting down this money on the paper did you say any thing to him that this was a large purchase that you were making - A. Yes.

Q Do you recollect what he said - A One must get rid of them in the way of trade. When I was certain he had got the notes, I said now we will go up to my room, it is cold, I will put my hat on.

Q Then as soon as you put on your hat the officers came in and secured him - A Yes.

Q Now Alessi, when you were taken for uttering this note to Mr. Taylor, you were not permitted to go back to your lodgings again - A No.

Q You were not in your own room when you met the prisoner - A No, in the club room.

Q This room that we are talking of, is a room parted off by a separate partition from the club room - A Yes.

Q Did you see the officer bore the hole through the partition, so that they could see what passed before the prisoner came - A Yes.

Q When you went out on the day that you were taken up for uttering the note to Mr. Taylor, had you left any forged notes that you had bought of Nicholls at your lodgings - A Four.

Q Four of that nineteen that you spoke of - A Yes. I left these four behind the mantle shelf in the crevice of the partition.

Q I believe you, after you were in custody, directed somebody to that crevice to find these four notes - A I did, to Mr. Westwood.

Q You described to him the crevice where to find the four notes - A Yes.

Q to Westwood. Did you, from the direction of Alessi, go to his lodgings and find these four notes - A I did; these are the notes; I found them concealed in a crevice behind the mantle piece, wrapped up in brown paper.

Q You found them readily by the decription that Alessi had given - A I did. There is four five pound notes.

Q to Alessi. You are aware that you are acquitted of those charges that were against you - A Yes.

Cross-examined by Mr. Gurney. How long have you been in this country at this time - A About five months and a half.

Q What, besides forged bank notes, have you been about this time - A I wait to go over to Holland to go into my own country.

Q I did not ask you what you are waiting for - have you been about any other business besides forged bank notes - A No.

Q Have you had forged notes from any other person besides the prisoner - A No.

Q I do not ask you the name - do you mean to swear that you have not had dealings with another person resident at Birmingham - A Yes, I will swear it.

Q How long were you at Birmingham - A Seventeen days the first time.

Q. By saying the first time, I presume you have been there more than once - A I have been there three times in all.

Q How long were you there the second time - A. A day and a half.

Q How long the third - A Half a day; I came back directly.

Q On the business of forged bank notes - A Not the first time.

Q Only the second and third - A Yes.

Q You say you have not had any dealings with any other person for forged bank notes - do you mean to say that you have not given information of others for forged bank notes - A I did not receive bank notes from any other person but Nicholls. The first bank note that was shewn me was by another man.

Q Had you dealings with that other man - A No.

Q But you had conversation with another man on

forged bank notes - A Yes, because he shewed it me.

Q. As a matter to deal in, did he shew it you - A Yes; he asked me if I wanted to buy it.

Q Then whether you had this note among others that you uttered to Mr. Taylor, or whether you had that note of the prisoner, or of the other person, we are to take upon your credit - you have no other person to shew it - A No.

Q You were taken up upon uttering that note to Mr. Taylor, is it so or not - A I do not know.

Q When were you taken up first - A On the night of the 25th of November, I believe, at Mr. Taylor's.

Q Then if you were taken up at Mr. Taylor's, do not you know that you were taken up for uttering the note - A I went to Mr. Taylor's for two bottles of wine, I presented that note; they said it was a bad note.

Q Did not you know that the very moment you were taken up, that you were taken up for uttering of it - A I knew I was taken up for that; they said it was a bad one.

Q How long have you lived in England altogether - A I have been in England three or four times.

Q Altogether how many years, about fifteen years - A No, it is fifteen years since I first came.

Q Have you lived several years in England altogether - A Yes.

Q Then you know you were taken up about giving the forged bank note to Mr. Taylor - A Yes; on the 25th of November.

Q And from that time you were kept in custody till within this half hour - A Yes.

Q Perhaps you then began to think you should be hanged - A I do not know.

Q Now you must know, therefore you must tell - A I cannot tell that.

Q You cannot tell me what you thought - do you mean to state that upon your oath - A That is the last thing a man can be done to; I hope I should not be hung in this country.

Q But as you were caught putting off a bad bank note you thought very likely you should - A I do not know that.

Q Do you man to say that you did not know that they hung men in this country for putting off bad notes - A I did not know it.

Q You swear that - A I swear that; I knew that people that forged bank notes they were condemned to die; but I did not knew that a person was to be hanged for passing them.

Q Perhaps after you were taken up you were let into that secret, that they hang people for passing them - A No, I could not speak to any body, except a friend of mine.

Q I suppose you spoke to the turnkeys - A No, I never spoke to them.

Q No person spoke to you and told you that you were likely to be hanged - A I do not remember it; I did not ask any body.

Q Then let me ask you whether you did not learn from any body that you were in danger of being hanged for putting off forged bank notes - A I cannot recollect it.

Q From neither the gentleman of the bank, or them who took you up, or from the turnkeys, you cannot recollect being told that you were in danger of being hanged, or likely to be hanged - A I cannot say I recollect it.

Q However you were determined not to be hanged if you could help it, so you desired to be a witness - A Certainly.

Q Then did not you hope and believe that if you could catch Mr. Nicholls, or any body else, you should escape yourself - A I did not know any thing about that.

Q I dare say you did all this for the sake of public justice - A I do think I did; I did not know whether my life was in danger or no; but at the same time I did it for my own sake.

Q That is, you hoped if you were in danger of the halter, you should escape by doing this - A Certainly, that is the general case.

Mr. Gurney. I know it is.

Mr. Garrow. You have told us that you never received any forged notes from any other man - A. No.

Q Did you ever correspond with any other about forged notes - A. No, never in my life.

Q Never by letters, nor by the denomination of candlesticks, did you correspond with any body but the prisoner - A No.

Q Who first made the proposition that you should buy forged bank notes of Nicholls - A Another man.

Q In whose presence - A Nobody was present.

Q Was that before you were acquainted with Nicholls - A Yes; I saw Nicholls that evening.

Q You refused to buy the one the man offered you - A I did.

Q When you saw Nicholls, tell us what passed - A I went to a public house to ask for a person who was clerk to some person at Birmingham, about seven or eight years; I met with the man that showed me the first note; I told the other man, that I had it in contemplation to go over to Spain, with some hardware goods; after this time the landlord and one man went out, this man stopped there; I had said before, I had been to one Johnson, a brass founder, to buy candlesticks with small figures; this man who offered me the forged one pound note, he said he could afford to sell candlesticks as cheap as any other man in England, he thought they would go in Spain; then he offered me dollars, which he said were more current in Spain; he said if they were liable to go in Spain he could serve me. Mr. Nicholls came, he said the other man said he would not come himself, but that he should come.

COURT. You understood from Nicholls that the other man sent him - A Yes.

Mr. Garrow. You understood from Nicholls that the other man who had been talking about candlesticks had sent him - A Yes; Nicholls came and said he could not produce me a patent candlestick, but he shewed me a one pound note, and a two pound note; he said do you want to buy any thing of that sort; which I objected to buy at that time.

Q. Did he mention the price - A. Yes; he said half a guinea for a one pound note; I told him that the other man said only six shillings; well, he said, if the other man said six shillings, if you have a mind to buy, you shall have them for that; I objected to buy them at that time.

Q How soon did you see him again - A I do not remember, but I know I bought some three or four days afterwards.

Q In about three or four days you had your first dealings with him - now attend to this question - upon the oath that you have taken, did you apply to him to sell you forged notes, or did he apply to you - A It was the other man that proposed to me.

Q And then this man came to you - A Yes.

Mr. Gurney. Do you mean to swear to the court and jury that the prisoner proposed to sell to you and you to buy of him - A Yes, I can swear so.

Q At that time you declined having them - A Yes.

Q Was that from a principle of honesty or the fear of being found out - A I do not know.

JOHN FOY . Q You are one of the police officers - A I am, of Marlborough street.

Q. Did you go at any time in December last with Alessi to the Lemon Tree in the Haymarket - A I did.

Q Did you search him before you went there - A I searched him on getting there, in the room.

Q Had he any notes about him - A Not any.

Q You expected some person to come there - A I did.

Q Did you concert a room for receiving the prisoner - A Yes.

Q What room did you fix upon - A. The club room.

COURT. What day was this - A The 20th of October. I have written the date upon the note.

Mr. Bosanquet. Is that your hand writing - A It is; it was on the day I wrote that; it was on the 20th of December.

Q You fixed upon the club room for receiving him - A Yes.

Q Did you search that room as well as Alessi - A I did; I am sure there were no notes in that room.

Q Who was in company with you - A William Craig , my brother Thomas Foy , and William Jackson , they are officers also; I placed myself in a room that adjoins the club room.

Q What sort of a partition is there - A A thin partition between that and the other room.

Q Had you any means of seeing into this club room and what - A I had, through a small hole in the wainscot.

Q Did you make that hole expressly for the purpose - A I did; I bored a hole with a gimlet.

Q How long had you been there before any body came - A From seven o'clock in the morning till half after three in the evening.

COURT. Do you recollect what day of the week it was - A No, I cannot recollect; I think it was Tuesday.

Mr. Bosanquet. You were there from seven o'clock in the morning till about half after three in the evening - did any person then come there and ask for Alessi - A Yes, the prisoner, Nicholls, came up into the room; I did not see him until he came into the club room.

COURT. You had left Alessi in the club room by himself - A Yes.

Mr. Bosanquet. You had the means of seeing through the hole what passed - A Yes.

Q About half after three the prisoner came - A Yes, he came into the club room.

Q What passed between Alessi and the prisoner in your sight, you looking through the hole - A They asked each other how they did.

Q Had you previously agreed with Alessi upon any signal being given - A That he was to put on his hat when he ascertained that the person that was to come to him had got the forged notes about him. After Nicholls had taken off his coat he sat down by the fire opposite of Alessi; Alessi asked him when he arrived in town; he said he had just come to town; Alessi asked him how long he was going to remain in town; the prisoner said he was going out of town at seven o'clock that evening. They were drinking together, they had got rum and water, and after some other talk that did not seem to belong to this business, Alessi asked Nicholls for a pencil, which he gave him, and a piece of paper, upon which Alessi seemed as if he was casting up an account; when he had added it up he said, well Mr. Nicholls, you will take all my money this time; Nicholls said never mind, endeavour to get it back again in the way of business; at this time Alessi was reaching back for his hat, which lay behind him as he sat in the chair, and said to Mr. Nicholls it was very cold; Mr. Nicholls then said to him put on your hat, sir, which Alessi did immediately; I then immediately went into the room and took Nicholls into custody; I searched him, a pocket book I found on him, and a small brown paper parcel in his left hand close coat pocket; his pocket book was in his great coat pocket.

COURT. That paper parcel was in his close coat pocket - A Yes.

Mr. Bosanquet. Was it in that paper that you hold in your hand - A It was; I wrote the date on it, I marked the contents and each separate note.

Q Look over these notes and see whether these are all the notes - A Yes.

Q Were all these notes marked by you, and were they in the parcel - A. They were; there is twenty five pound notes, twenty four one pound notes, and these are the four two pound notes, all marked by me, they were in the same parcel.

Q Now look at that letter, is that letter marked by you - A Yes, it is; I found it in his pocket book, dated December 13th, 1808. I asked him how he came possessed of the notes, he said he had found the parcel in the street; I asked him if he meaned any street in town; he said, yes.

Q Did he mention what street in town - A No; I did not ask him; he said yes, but did not mention the street; afterwards he said that some friend at Birmingham had given him the parcel and two letters to put into the post office, and he had two letters in his hand.

Q Was the parcel directed to any body - A No; it was exactly the same as it is now.

Q Did you understand him that the parcel as well as the letters were to be put in the post - A. No; it seemed to me as if he meaned the parcel had been given to him, and no account of the notes. The pocket book, I recollect, was in his right hand coat pocket, he had pulled his great coat off; in his left hand coat pocket were the letters.

Q You before said the pocket book was in his great coat pocket - A Yes; but I recollect it was in his close coat pocket; I recollect he had pulled his great coat off.

Mr. Garrow. In the first letter of Alessi's there is no direction to the letter but London, in the answer there is the Haymarket.

COURT. I observed that. I want to know when it was the four notes were found.

MR. WESTWOOD. I found the notes concealed in

the mantle piece on the 10th of December, the same day the letter was directed to Nicholls.

WILLIAM CRAIG . Q You are an officer of Marlborough street - A I am.

Q You and Jackson and Thomas Foy , went with John Foy to the Lemon Tree - A I did.

Q You were placed, we understand, in a room between which there was a slight partition to the club room - A We were.

Q Had you the means of seing through the partition, of observing Nicholls when he came in - A I did see him.

Q Did you go into the club room with the other officers - A I did, immediately; I secured the prisoner by the left arm; I observed John Foy find a brown paper parcel in his right hand coat pocket.

Q Look at the notes, and see whether your name is put upon them - A I know them to be the same notes that were taken from him; I saw them all found; I have not the smallest doubt they are the same.

Q Did you observe the pocket book found - A I did, and there were two letters taken out of his right hand.

Q Did you observe any other letter - A Not immediately; John Foy upon opening his pocket book found some letter, I understand; I had the prisoner in custody, I did not pay any attention to it.

Q Did you hear John Foy put any question to the prisoner where he had found these notes - A I did; the prisoner said he found them; after a few moments he said he had received them with two letters, I understood, to be put in the post office.

Q The letters were to be put in the post office - A I cannot say how that is.

JURY. Did you count these notes - A I did; there were twenty five pound notes four two's and twenty four ones.

Mr. Arabin. Did you mark these notes yourself - A I did.

Q Have you looked at them in court - A I have.

WILLIAM JACKSON . Q Did you attend the examination of Foy and the last man - A I did.

Q. Is the account true - A It is.

THOMAS FOY . Q. Did you attend to the examination of John Foy and Craig - A Yes; the account that they have given is true.

JOHN CHRISTOPHER . Q You are the landlord of the Lemon Tree - A I am.

Q Did Vincent Alessi lodge at your house - A He did.

Q Look at the prisoner Nicholls, do you know him - A He was at my house twice; he came first to my house soon after Alessi came from Birmingham.

Q How long before Alessi was taken up - A A week or a fortnight; I am not quite correct in that.

Q When Nicholls first came to your house he was a stranger to you - Perfectly so.

Q Who did he enquire for - A For Alessi. I told him he was not at home, but it was likely that he would be in presently; he seemed to be at a loss what to do; he had the appearance of a traveller; there was a good room and a fire up stairs; I asked him to go up stairs and sit down.

Q Was it Alessi's room - A No, the club room. I told him he might have lodgings in my house if he wanted; he continued in my house four or five days.

Q Was Alessi and he much together during the time he remained there - A A great deal.

Q You remember the circumstance of Alessi not coming home at the time he was taken in custody afterwards - A Perfectly well.

Q Do you remember Mr. Westwood coming to your house - A Perfectly well.

Q Was he shewn into Alessi's lodging room - A Not by himself.

Q Did Mr. Westwood go into Alessi's lodging room - A He did, I was present; he did not find any thing the first time of his coming.

Q Was it occupied by any body - A No, I kept it locked up.

Q Were you there when Mr. Westwood was there a second time - A I was.

Q The first time was immediately upon Alessi being taken up - A It was.

Q In the course of some days he came again - did you see him find any brown paper with any thing in it - A I did; he found it behind the wooden mantle shelf in a little crevice; he looked behind; there he found a little brown paper parcel; it contained four five pound notes.

Q From the time of Alessi being detained, and to the time that the bank notes were found, had you kept it locked up - A Yes; no person was in the room but myself; I always kept the key, and my wife at times when I went out; I asked her particularly about it.

Q Some time after this Alessi was brought there by the officers of the police - A He was.

Q Did they go with him into one of the divisions of the club room - A They did; they went into the farther part of it, it is partitioned off.

Q Were you at home when the prisoner Nicholls came - A I was, I waited at home on purpose.

Q You were apprised of the object of their visit - A Of the whole.

Q How long after the officers and Alessi came, did the prisoner come - A The officers came at seven o'clock in the morning, and the prisoner Nicholls did not come till about three in the afternoon, or a little after.

Q Who did he ask for - A Alessi. Upon Nicholls' coming Alessi was permitted to go into the other room by himself, and Mr. Nicholls was shewed up to him; I shewed him up myself, and then went down stairs.

Q You know no more of it till after he was taken in custody - A I know the officers were watching him; I saw him searched.

Q You have no doubt that this is the person that came to your house both times - A I am quite convinced of it.

Cross-examined by Mr. Arabin. Is your wife here - A She is not here.

Q She had the key sometimes - A When I went out, twice, I left the key in the drawer, and told her where it was.

Q You told us just now that your wife had the key - A She knew where it was.

Q She could get access to it if she wanted it - A She never wanted it.

Q Then if she pleased she might have given it to any other person - you keep a common lodging house - A Yes.

Q In the course of a year you have many people like travellers coming into your house - A Yes.

MARY HOUGHTON . Q You are a servant at the Lemon Tree - A Yes.

Q Do you remember Alessi lodging at your master's - A Yes.

Q The prisoner Nicholls, did he at any time come to lodge at your master's - A Yes, he did, four or five days I believe.

Q Was Alessi and he much together while he remained - A Yes, in day time; they had different sleeping rooms.

Q Were you at home when the officers came with Alessi in custody - A Yes.

Q Were you present when Nicholls came - A Yes, he asked for Alessi.

Q Then he was shewn up stairs and soon after taken in custody - A Yes.

Q You are sure he is the same man - A Yes.

JOHN LEE . Q You are an inspector of the bank notes, employed by the governor and company of the bank of England - A I am.

Q I am now going to put in your hand the first note, the note uttered by Alessi to Mrs. Taylor, look at that note and tell me whether that is a note of the governor and company of the bank of England - A It is not; it is a forgery; it is not the cashier's name, it is altogether a forgery. (The note read.)

Q We are now going to prove the note that was uttered by Mrs. Meredith.

Mr. Arabin. The prisoner said he did not recollect any thing of that transaction.

Q Look at that note, is that a forgery - A It is in every respect.

Q These are the four what was found in the crevice in Alessi's lodging, are they a forgery - A The whole are a forgery; the signature and filling up, the paper, and all, are a forgery.

Q Now I am going to put in your hand the twenty five-pound notes found upon the prisoner - A I have seen them before, they are all forgeries in every respect.

Q Now look at those twenty four ones - A They are forged, and the four two pound notes they are forged likewise.

Mr. Garrow. Look at the one stated in the indictment and compare it with the hand writing of all the other five pound notes - I will ask you whether it appears to you that they are filled up with one hand writing, and whether they are from the same plate - A I have not a doubt of it; I have examined them before.

COURT. Are you speaking of the twenty five pound notes, or the notes in question - A All the five pound notes appears to be filled up by the same hand writing, together with the note in question, and they are all of the same date, the 8th of April, excepting one which is only as it came from the plate; it has no writing at all.

Q Does the bank in any possible instance part with any of their paper - A I should think not.

Q Did you ever know of the bank parting with any impression of their plates that is not filled up with current notes - A Certainly not.

Mr. Garrow. The first note which has been shewn to you, which we call Taylor's note, and the four compared by you with the twenty five pound notes, or more correctly with the nineteen - they appear to be struck from the same plate - A Undoubtedly, and they are all filled up by the same hand.

Q The imperfect one is from the same plate - A Yes, it is.

Q The same observations applies to Meredith's, as Taylor's, they are all the same date - A Yes.

Q I believe in the course of numbering bank notes the usual method is to put them up in fifty - A Yes.

Q So that to illustrate it, if the first of the fifty should be 1000 they would go on to 1050 - A Certainly.

Q That is the method of banking houses, and banking houses are supplied so, from the first to fifty and at last to four hundred - they never issue the same number of the same date - A. Never.

Q For instance you never have two of this day of the same number - A Never.

Q The note in the indictment is No. 7484, Taylors, note; 7489 Meredith's; those found in Alessi's room 7486, and found upon the prisoner's person 7634.

MR. TERRY. Q You are engraver to the bank of England - A I am.

Q I first shew you Taylor's note, is that a genuine bank note or altogether a forgery - A Altogether a forgery, plate and every thing.

Q I now shew you Meredith's, do you give the same account of that - A This is forged also.

Q I now shew you the four found in the crevice by Mr. Westwood - A I have seen them before, they are all forgeries; the twenty five pound notes, nineteen filled up and one blank, they are all forgeries; they appear to be all struck from the same plate; I have not the least doubt of it; it is impossible that it should be otherwise; there are defects that were not intentionally put in, and that exactly agress in every one of them.

Q Therefore you speak with certainty - A I do.

The prisoner left his defence to his counsel, called two witnesses, who gave him a good character.

JOHN ROCK. Q You are acquainted with the prisoner's hand writing, tell me upon your oath whose writing you believe that to be, that

"I. N. your humble servant I. N." - A I believe it to be Nicholls' hand writing.

GUILTY - DEATH , aged 45.

On the counts for disposing of and putting away.

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Baron Thompson.

HANNAH SKIDDAY, MARY BROWN.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-29
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceTransportation

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117. HANNAH SKIDDAY and MARY BROWN were indicted for feloniously stealing on the 12th of December , twenty two yards of printed cotton, value 22 s. and a shawl, value 2 s. the property of William Brown and William Brown , privately in their shop .

JOSEPH POBJOY . I live at 118, Ratcliffe highway ; I am an apprentice to Mr. Brown, linen draper .

Q. Are there two Mr. Browns that carry on that business - A. Yes, William and William, they are cousins. On Saturday the 10th of December, between seven and eight o'clock in the evening, there were three of them came in, the prisoners were two of three, one went out; when they came in one of the prisoners said they wanted to look at some shawls; I shewed them some, I counted each shawl as I put it down; they did not like any of them; I went to get another, and when I returned I missed the uppermost shawl; I went round and mentioned it to Thomas Waitman ; I went and got a constable, leaving this youth to attend them; I came back with the constable; he let them

go outside of the door, they had not bought any thing; while they were going out the youth Waitman said he had missed a piece of print; the constable brought them back, they were standing just by the door. I picked up the piece of print just by Skidday's foot when she moved, I saw the dirt of her foot on it; he took them further up the shop and found the shawl, it lay rolled up on the ground.

Q. How near was that to the place where you had put the shawls - A. About four yards.

Q. How near was it to where either of the prisoners stood at the same time - A. About three or four yards off the prisoners when it was found.

Q. Did you perceive or suspect them doing any thing - A. No further than they were in the shop two months before; we missed something; I did not see them do any thing this time; I expected they would thieve. They had bid me a price for a shawl which I could not take.

JONATHAN WAITMAN . Q. You are likewise in the service of the two Mr. Brown's - A. Yes. When the prisoners came in I was folding up of goods. When Pobjoy went out I continued shewing them different kind of shawls; when they came in the shop there were a large quantity of prints laying on the counter; I took them all away to another counter excepting eight pieces, I counted them. When Pobjoy came in I gave them up to him; they stood bargaining for a shawl, bought nothing, and went out; Pobjoy and the constable followed them; they brought them back in the shop and this piece of print was picked up off the floor. I counted the pieces on the counter and there were only seven.

Q. You had not shewn any of these pieces to them - A. No, only the shawls.

Q. Now who was in the shop at the time - A. There was another man in the shop at the time.

Q. Do you know whether he was attending to any thing that passed - A. I cannot say. The place where the shawl was picked up was about four yards from that.

JOHN MATTHEWS . I am an headborough. I went with Pobjoy to Mr. Brown's shop, there I found the two prisoners; I let them go out of the shop and then I brought them back again; I told them they had got something that they had not paid for; about one yard from the door; I proceeded to examine the prisoner Skidday; in stooping down to look round her, the witness Pobjoy exclaimed, here is the piece of print; that was about six yards from where the print had been laying; I moved them further up in the shop, five or six yards; I observed the floor when I put the prisoners there, it was perfectly clean; on searching them for the shawl I picked up the shawl. Skidday was the person who dropped the print; who dropped the shawl I cannot say.

The property produced and identified.

Skidday's Defence. When I went out of the shop the gentleman laid hold of my arm and brought me back. I never made any attempt to go away; I could have got away if I pleased.

Brown's Defence. I am innocent of what I am here for.

SKIDDAY, GUILTY, aged 20.

BROWN, GUILTY, aged 22.

Of stealing, but not privately in the shop .

Transported for Seven Years .

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. justice Chambre.

BENJAMIN BISHOP.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-30
VerdictNot Guilty

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118. BENJAMIN BISHOP was indicted for that he on the 6th of January , feloniously and without lawful cause, was at large in this kingdom before the expiration of the term of seven years for which he was ordered to be transported .

Prisoner. My name is not Benjamin Bishop , it is John Brown .

MR. SHELTON. You are indicted in the name of Benjamin Bishop.

JOHN VICKREY . I am one of the officers of Worship street office. I produce the copy of the record of the conviction of a man by the name of Benjamin Bishop , from Mr. Shelton's office, the clerk of goal delivery; I saw Mr. Shelton sign it. (The copy of the record read.)

JOHN ARMSTRONG . I and Bishop apprehended the prisoner on the 6th of January last, between the hours of seven and eight o'clock, at the Catherine Wheel, Bridgewater Gardens , he was drinking there along with some other persons in the public house; he gave his name John Brown, that he lodged in the house of Mrs. Madden, Brackley street, Golden lane; I told him I had reason to believe his name was Bishop; I took him up upon that name; I enquired at the house of Mrs. Madden in Brackley street, she was not at home, nor could I see her; we took him to the office; he was committed and another day appointed, and Mr. Hanson attended. The prisoner behaved in a very good manner, not a word nor an action amiss whatsoever.

DANIEL BISHOP . I am an officer of Worship street office. I know nothing more than being in company with Armstrong when he apprehended the prisoner at the Catherine Wheel, Bridgewater Gardens.

WILLIAM HANSON . Q. You are one of the turnkeys in Newgate - A. Yes. The prisoner was tried in December sessions, 1804, by the name of Benjamin Bishop ; I put him to the bar at the time.

Q. You are certain of his person, are you - A. I am certain of his person; he was cast for death; after that he was respited for seven years transportation. On the 19th of March following he was sent from Newgate to the Captivity hulk at Portsmouth. I was at the goal when he was was delivered to go to the hulk at Portsmouth.

Prisoner's Defence. I was in the gates of Newgate last Friday morning three hours; if Mr. Hanson knew me he did not take me then.

Q. to Hanson. Was he in Newgate - A. I did not see him; there may be many people come in and I may not see them.

Prisoner. I was in the goal; he did not know me then; I was in the same dress as I am now. There is none of the other officers of Newgate that knew me. There is only that one man that says he knew me. I have been to sea; I only came home the 24th of last June; I have been at work ever since.

NOT GUILTY .

London jury, before Mr. Recorder.

THOMAS ROSE.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-31
VerdictGuilty
SentenceDeath

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119. THOMAS ROSE, alias CHARLES HUMPHREYS was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 5th of December , a box, value 40 s. and eighty pound weight of soap, value 4 l. the property of Samuel Thompson , in his dwelling house .

SAMUEL THOMPSON . I live at No. 15, Holley street, Clare market, in the parish of St Clement's .

Q. Do you keep a shop - A. Yes; the shop is the lower part of the house; I live in the house myself and

family.

Q. Do you recollect at any time seeing the prisoner in your shop - A. Yes, on Monday evening the 5th of last month, about half after five in the evening.

Q. Did the prisoner come in alone - A. There was another person with him; he asked for half a pound of candles, two pennyworth of wafers, and two pennyworth of wax taper. I served him with these things.

Q. Did you stay in the shop, or had you occasion to go out of the shop - A I had occasion to go out of the shop into the back room for a pair of scissars to cut the wax taper for the prisoner; when I came back he paid me and he went away; he went out of the shop.

Q. Did you see him go out of the shop - A. No; there were other other people in the shop; I was engaged.

Q. Did you miss any thing soon after they were out of the shop - A. Yes; in a minute I missed a box of soap, three quarters of a hundred weight; it was standing within the shop, about a yard and a half from the door.

Q. When had you seen that box before - A. About a minute before; when I missed the box of soap I immediately run out of the door and pursued him; I overtook the prisoner about twelve or fifteen yards from my door, in the street; he had the box of soap on his shoulder; I did not see the other with him; I laid hold of him by the collar, I told him he had robbed me; he swore at me a good deal, he would not lower the soap off his shoulder; I immediately called out stop thief; he smacked it off his shoulder as fast as he could, and began to run away off the pavement; I had hold of the tail of his coat at the same time; I had help; we brought him back. I am sure the prisoner is the man.

Q. Are you quite sure that he is the man that you served with the articles in your shop - A. I am quite sure of that; one of the articles, the candles, I served him the other man took; he was searched in the watchhouse. I did not see him searched.

Q. When you took up the box did you examine it - A. Yes, after I had brought him into the shop.

Q. Was there any mark by which you know it to be yours - A. Only by the mark on the box.

Q. What may be the value of the soap - A. It cost me eighty eight seillings.

Cross-examined by Mr. Walford. Did you see them go out of the shop together - A. No.

Q. Did you see them go out of the shop at all - A. No.

Q. Why did you tell us you saw them go out together - A. They left me when I had done serving them. I was engaged.

COURT. He said they went out together, but he did not see them.

ELIZABETH CURTIS . Q. Were you in Holley street the day the witness has been speaking of - A. I was standing at a shop door.

Q. Did you see any body with a box - A. I saw a man come by and throw a box off his shoulder; then he ran away. Mr. Tompson ran after him and brought him back.

Q. How many yards did he run - A. It might be an hundred yards, pretty nigh, as near as I can guess. - Mr. Thompson was close to him when he threw the box down.

Q. Did he keep close to him when he ran away - A. I cannot say; I staid where the box was, I sat on the box on the pavement.

Q. Did you see Mr. Thompson bring him back - A. Yes, he and some other gentlemen together.

Q. Had you observed the man, so as to to know it is the same man that throwed the box down that he brought back - A. I think it is, I saw him at Bow street.

Q. And was it the same man that you saw throw the box off his shoulder - A. Yes, I believe it was.

Q. You did not know him before - A. No; me and some others took up the box and carried it to Mr. Thompson's shop; we let it fall out of our hands; it broke.

Q. What was in it - A. Soap.

Cross-examined by Mr. Walford. How long did all this take up - A. Two or three minutes.

Q. Look at the prisoner at the bar, and say whether that is the man that you saw with the box on his shoulder - A. Yes, I think it is.

Q. Have you never said you thought it was another man - A. No.

Q. Whoever it was that had the box on his shoulder, he went out of your sight - A. Yes, when he turned the corner.

JAMES LIMBRICK . I am an officer; I had this man delivered into my custody; I searched him. I found a piece of wax taper in his coat pocket. I shewed it to Mr. Thompson at Bow street office.

Prosecutor. It looks like the same, it is the same quantity that he bought, and the same colour; the paper is the same that I wrapt it up in. This is the box that had the soap in; there was eighty three pound and a half in it; it cost me eighty eight shillings. I weighed the soap three hours previous to his taking it.

Prisoner's Defence. I had been as far as Leicester fields; on my return home I come into Holley street, and as soon as I came into Clement's passage I heard the cry of stop thief; a man dropped a bit of paper containing this wax taper; I picked up and I looked to see which way he was gone; the gentleman came up to me and said you are the man that came into the shop door and took the box of soap; he took the box of soap, he took me back to his shop, and when I got into the shop, he said do you think you are innocent, or that you are not; I said I am as innocent as you are, take me before a magistrate. I was taken to the watch-house; this man came in and said I will take you out of here; he took me to the office.

GUILTY - DEATH , aged 23.

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. justice Le Blanc.

JOSEPH ROYD.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-32
VerdictGuilty
SentenceTransportation

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120. JOSEPH ROYD was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 9th of December , five dozen of tan sheep skins, value 4 l. the property of Arthur Aston .

ARTHUR ASTON . I am a leather seller , I live in Bread street, Cheapside; I gave the five dozen of tanned sheep skins into the charge of my porter on the 9th of December; he was to deliver them to a carrier at the George, Snowhill.

Q. What time was it you delivered them - A. Between four and five; he returned about six, saying his bundle was lost.

JAMES SLADE . Q. Are you the porter - A. Yes; I was sent with a load of goods in the cart to deliver at different inns on the 9th of December. I came to the Bull and Mouth inn, I had two parcels to deliver

there; I stopped there, and I carried them out of the cart into the warehouse, and when I came back to the cart again I found this bundle of leather missing; a man asked if I had lost any thing; I said yes, a bundle of leather; he said a man had gone along Bull and Mouth street with a bundle of leather. Bishop, the carman, and the man, went in pursuit of the man; they did not find him.

EDWARD PORTER . I am a watchman. On Friday evening, the 9th of December, about ten o'clock, coming up Red cross street, I met the prisoner; he was standing with a bundle of leather between his belly and the wall.

Q. I suppose you were passing by - A. Yes; I made a full stop to look at him; he asked me to help him up with it; I did, and went on, and the prisoner went on; I suspected he did not come honestly by it. I went to the watchhouse and called Mr. Hedger; Mr. Hedger and I went after him up Paul's alley; in a court in Paul's alley, heard something fall, then I laid hold of the prisoner and called Mr. Hedger; Mr. Hedger knocked at a door and got a light; he found the leather about three or four feet off him; then we conveyed him to the watchhouse; I asked him where the leather was; he said he knew nothing of the leather.

Q. Was he the same man that you helped up with the leather - A. Yes; I am sure of that.

Q. You had passed Paul's alley for the purpose of getting Hedger - A. Yes, and when Hedger and I came from the watchhouse, he went up Paul's alley; it is a thoroughfare; there I met him; I stopped him when I heard the bundle fall.

THOMAS HEDGER . I was ward beadle at the time; setting the watch near ten o'clock, Porter came and gave me information; in consequence of that I went down Paul's alley with Porter; the night was very dark, I overshot Porter; Porter turned into Jackson's court, and said I have got the man; I then laid hold of the man by the collar, took him three feet back and knocked at a door for a light; we accused him of having the leather; he said he knew nothing about it; and in looking about four feet from the man, in one corner, there was the leather; we then took the leather and the man to the watchhouse and searched him; we found nothing but a knife, a pocket handkerchief, a seven shilling piece and half a guinea.

Q. Were there any body else in either of these alleys - A. No, nobody but me, Porter and the prisoner.

JOHN PUGH . I was constable of the night. I asked him how he came by the leather; he said he knew nothing at all of it; I observed the tan of the leather on the shoulder of his coat, it was very visible then; I took him the next day to Guildhall; I opened the parcel, we found the bill of parcels where it was going; there we saw Mr. Aston's name; he appeared the next day at Guildhall, and identified the property.

GUILTY , aged 27.

Transported for Seven Years .

London jury, before Mr. Recorder.

JOHN TRASS.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-33
VerdictGuilty
SentenceTransportation

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121. JOHN TRASS was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 10th of December , thirty pounds weight of lead, value 5 s. the property of Charles Broad , affixed to his dwelling house .

JOHN SLEEP . I am servant to Mr. Broad, in Devol's lane, leading out of Islington .

Q. On the night of the 9th of December were the water spout and the lead work of the house safe - A. Yes, between seven and eight in the evening.

Q. On the morning of the 10th did you observe any part of the water spout gone - A. Yes. I saw part of the lead in a field.

JOHN SHILLINGFORD . I am a servant to Mr. Laycock, he is a cow keeper and farmer. On the 10th of last month, about two in the morning, I and my fellow servant met the prisoner in a field called Eleven Acre, belonging to Mr. Laycock, in a field where there were sheep. We have lost a great many sheep.

Q. How far is that from Mr. Broad's - A. About a quarter of a mile; I was about thirty yards from him, I called out who is there; he said a gentleman; I said gentle or simple, I shall see who you are; I said where are you going, my friend; he said to Hornsey; I said that is not the way to Hornsey, he said he had lost his way: I said it is very odd you should come into this field among the sheep. There was no foot path in the field, only a dirty way where our carts were kept. He said he wanted to go by Ball's pond to miss the watchmen. I took him in custody and took him to Mr. Laycock.

Q. Is the road near the field - A. Yes, within a field. He begged us not to take him to Mr. Laycock, he said he would give us a guinea, or twenty pound, sooner than we should take him to the watchhouse, or to Mr. Laycock's, he said he was a very troublesome severe man, he said if he had known that we should have taken him he would have given us a run for it; I told him if he went nigh a hedge, we should have sent something in him that he was not aware of.

Q. How near was he from the hedge at the time you stopped him - A. Twenty five yards from the ditch, and three or four yards from a pond. I found the lead by the cart track.

Q. When was it you found the lead - A. It was day light when we found the lead; it was some pipe lead and some ridge lead; Mr. Broad saw the lead. We found some lead in a bag.

JOHN BUMPSTEAD . I was employed by Mr. Broad to put up this lead spout on the the 2nd or 3rd of December. On Saturday the 10th the lead had been taken away; on Sunday morning following I went to the house; I saw it was gone on the 11th; I saw it at the magistrates; I put it up myself, I made it myself; it is the same lead.

Q. What is it worth - A. Ten or twelve shillings.

Q. to Mr. Broad. In what parish is your house - A. In the parish of St. Mary, Islington.

Prisoner's Defence. I am a jobbing gardener , I do a deal of new work at Holloway; that day, having no employment, I went out to seek work; I am not in the habit of drinking much, that day I had drank a pint too much. I live at Lower street, Islington; I was in Devol's lane; there is a path to Mr. Laycock's field; in the second field I was stopped by these two men; they asked me what I was; I said a gentleman; I did not know I was in Mr. Laycock's field; they said they would take me to Mr. Laycock: I said I hope not; they said they must, they had lost a great many sheep. I went with them to Mr. Laycock, they called him; he said take him to the watchhouse; they took me to the watchhouse and made a charge of sheep stealing.

On that day I went out and drank more than usual; it was my nighest way home.

GUILTY , aged 46.

Transported for Seven Years .

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. Common Serjeant.

DORINDA MEGAN.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-34
VerdictGuilty > theft under 40s
SentenceTransportation

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122. DORINDA MEGAN was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 21st of December , a china bowl and cover, value 36 s. a china bowl, value 3 l. 3 s. and a china cup, value 6 s. the property of James Adams , esq . in his dwelling house .

The case was stated by Mr. Knapp.

ELIZA TAYLOR . I am a servant to James Adams , esq. he lives in Berkley square, in the parish of St. George .

Q. Was the prisoner at the bar a servant to Mr. Adams - A. Yes, housekeeper ; I was lady's maid. On the day laid in the indictment I was in the housekeeper's room with the prisoner; the hall bell rang; Mrs. Megan, the housekeeper, went and opened the door, and left the door open; she returned through the room where I was sitting into the adjoining room, and said a poor girl has left her basket here; on my hearing a poor girl was at the door, I ran to the door in great haste, saying, if she is a poor girl I will give her something. At my coming to the door I was much surprised to find instead of a poor girl a friend of Mrs. Megan's of the name of Fitzgerald; I then said, oh dear, Mrs. Fitzgerald, if it is you, why did you ring, you need not be afraid of me, you had seen me this day week; this was in the evening between six and seven. Mrs. Fitzgerald came in with me immediately into the housekeeper's room; the prisoner then met us without a basket, and we all came into the sitting room together, and sat down for a minute or two; on coming into the housekeeper's room, the bed room door exactly opposite was wide open; the basket stood full of something in her bed room; it was a mat basket; after sitting a minute or two, struck with suspicion, I got up, saying I should go and see whether a dress was ready for my mistress, but in reality run down stairs and called Burrows, a man servant. I went to my master and made him acquainted with it.

Q. Had you seen the basket ever before that time - A. No, certainly never.

JAMES BURROWS . I am a servant to Mr. Adams. In consequence of what Eliza Taylor said, I placed myself on the stairs, about six yards from the door; I saw Mrs. Megan coming out of the housekeeper's sitting room; she opened the street door, and stood with it in her hand; Mrs. Fitzgerald came out of the same room with a basket, and went towards the street door; I stopped her about a yard from the door in the hall. After I had taken the basket from Fitzgerald Mrs. Megan wished to take it into her own room; I refused; and took it up stairs to my master in the dining room.

Q. What became of Mrs. Megan - A. She went into the sitting room.

Q. Was any thing taken out of the basket before you took it up to your master - A. Mrs. Megan took a paper parcel from the top. I opened the basket by my master's order; I found in it a china bowl and cover, a china dish or bowl, and a china chocolate cup, a blue and white mug, and a hand lanthorn; I left them there. Mrs. Megan was sent for into the dining room; I saw her go in; I saw nothing more.

COURT. Is the housekeeper's room on the same floor with the hall, and near the door - A. Yes; and the housekeeper's bed room is near her sitting room.

ANN FITZGERALD was called, and not appearing in court, her recognizance was ordered to be estreated.

JAMES ADAMS , ESQ. Q. This house in Berkley square is yours - A Yes; it is in the parish of St. George, Hanover square.

Q. You remember the information that Eliza Taylor gave you - she came to you on that day - A. Yes.

Q. Were there any directions given that Burrows should be placed any where - A I immediately gave directions for Burrows to be placed in a direction to to observe both doors, to Eliza Taylor .

Q. In consequence of these directions did Burrows bring that basket to you with these articles - A. He did. Burrows took out the articles; at the top of the basket was a bed tick; immediately after that there were the china, with paper put inside of them, and wrapped round with paper on the out; upon their being produced, Mrs. Adams said I will immediately swear to their being my property; the first thing I ordered was for the street door to be locked; then I sent for the prisoner to come up; I then asked her what she meaned by presuming to carry them things out of my house; she said, oh, they are some little things of my own. I then pointed to the things which stood upon the harpsichord, I said do you mean to tell me that these are your property; she said oh no, certainly not, sir, I put them in by mistake for things of my own; I believe, I then made use of a strong expression - do you know there are things in that basket for which you may be hanged; she said, oh no, she hoped not; I then said, you were to have left me in two or three days, I now tell you you shall not stay half an hour in my house. I then told her to take what necessaries she wanted for the night, and to leave my house immediately and to give up the keys; she then went down stairs. I almost immediately ran down to her in the housekeeper's room, there I found Mrs. Fitzgerald. I asked Mrs. Fitzgerald, in the presence of the prisoner, how she could presume to take any thing out of my house; she said she did not know they were mine. Mrs. Megan had told her they were her's, and desired her to take them home. I then said I could not contradict the assertion, as I had never seen her face before; I desired her immediately to walk out of my house; she immediately left my house, and the prisoner in about half an hour afterwards.

Q. How soon did you make any application to have her taken up - A. In the course of the next day; we looked about us, and she was taken to Marlborough street and committed. I have had the care of the things ever since.

COURT. You told us you asked Fitzgerald how she could presume to take any thing out of your house, her answer was she did not know that they belonged to you - I want to know whether Megan said any thing - A No, I think not.

The property produced and identified.

The prisoner left her defence to her counsel, called three witnesses, who gave her a good character.

GUILTY, aged 40.

Of stealing to the value of thirty nine shillings only .

Transported for Seven Years .

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. justice Le Blanc.

MARY SUDBURY.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-35
VerdictNot Guilty

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123. MARY SUDBURY was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 6th of December , eleven yards of velvet, value 30 s. the property of John Harris , privately in his shop .

JOHN HARRIS . I am a linen draper in Picket street . On the 6th of December, a publican in our neighbourhood, came to my shop and said he had a woman in custody, who was suspected of stealing a piece of velvet; I searched and found a piece missing. I went with him to his house, in Hemlock court, where I saw the prisoner and the velvet; I looked at the velvet, unrolled it and saw a small piece of linen affixed to it, with my mark.

JOHN LESSEL . I keep the Punch Bowl, Hemlock court. On the 6th of December, about one o'clock in the day, the prisoner came in company with another woman into my private bar, and called for two glasses of gin; we observed her busy stooping down on the floor, as if endeavouring to secrete somethings; upon interrogating her she ran away; we followed her; Elizabeth Bignell , my servant, overtook her in Shire lane; she was brought back to my house; a sweep's boy brought in this velvet, in about a minute after, I believe; she protested she knew nothing of this velvet, it belonged to the other woman, whose husband was a taylor, and lived somewhere in Saffron hill; she had something, what it was I cannot tell; I never saw the bundle till it was brought in by the sweep.

ELIZABETH BIGNELL . I am servant to Mr. Lessel. On the 6th of December, between two and three in the afternoon, the prisoner came in with another woman and called for a quartern of gin; she stooped down to pick up something; my mistress asked her what she had there; she opened the door and ran away; I went after her; she throwed the bundle down the cellar; the sweep's boy picked it up and came and gave it into my hands; I am sure it is the same bundle she threw away.

The property produced and identified.

Prisoner's Defence. I never saw the bundle till it was brought back by the sweep; he said he picked it up; I believe I was in the house a quarter of an hour before he brought it.

NOT GUILTY .

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. Recorder.

JOSEPH GRAND.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-36
VerdictGuilty
SentenceCorporal > public whipping

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124. JOSEPH GRAND was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 30th of December , twenty pounds weight of lead, value 3 s. the property of James Racine and James Archibald Jaques .

JAMES RACINE . I live in Hare street, St. Matthew, Bethnal green ; James Archibald Jaques is my partner; we are dyer s. The prisoner was a bricklayer's labourer , and was at work on our premises; in consequence of information I told James Brooks to follow the prisoner.

JAMES BROOKES I am an apprentice to Mr. Racine and Mr. Jaques.

Q. Do you know the prisoner - A. Yes, he was a bricklayer's labourer; he was at work on my master's premises. On the 30th of December, between three and four in the afternoon, I saw Joseph Grand go away from the premises with something in his hand; it appeared to me to be part of a leaden pipe.

Q. Do you know whether your master had on his premises any thing in the shape of a leaden pipe - A. Yes; I had it in my hand not ten minutes before; I followed and overtook the prisoner in Brick lane; I saw him crossing the way with two pieces of lead, one in his hand and the other under his arm; he went into an old iron shop; I went to him and told him to bring the lead back; the prisoner was in conversation with a woman in the shop; the prisoner with persuasion brought the lead back to my master; one piece of lead was on the shop counter and the other in his hand; I was not two minutes after him in the shop.

Q. Then he had not disposed of it - A. He had not; he brought it back to my master's premises: then I fetched an officer.

JAMES WOOD . I am an headborough of Shoreditch. I took Grand in custody; he begged Mr. Racine's pardon, and said he would never do the like again if he would let him go.

The property produced and identified.

The prisoner said nothing in his defence, called three witnesses, who gave him a good character.

GUILTY , aged 18.

Whipped in Goal and discharged.

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Common Serjeant.

ANN GILL.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-37
VerdictGuilty
SentenceImprisonment > house of correction; Miscellaneous > fine

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125. ANN GILL was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 3rd of December , two gowns, value 10 s. a petticoat, value 2 s. an apron, value 1 s. and two pair of stockings, value 2 s. the property of Mary Bryers , spinster .

MARY BRYERS . I live in Duke's head court, Red lion street, Spital fields ; I am a pinheader ; I lodge and work there for Mrs. Bedford; the prisoner lodged in the same bed as I did. On Saturday the 3d of December, I sat up to wash my things; I was done at twelve o'clock, I sat up till two; the prisoner said she would do hers; I went to bed; the prisoner was up an hour after me, I heard her sluicing the water about; when I found she was gone I got up to look where she was; I missed out of my box a petticoat and an apron, and all my money.

Q. The money is not mentioned in the indictment - A. I missed two gowns and a shift, they were wet; my mistress's daughter found her about twelve days afterwards, and got a man to bring her back; she had then my old gown on, which I used to work in; I pulled it off to wash it; I never have found nothing but that gown.

Q. What was the two gowns worth - A. Eight shillings, the petticoat two shillings, the apron one shilling, and the two pair of stockings one shilling.

The gown produced and identified.

Prisoner's Defence. The gown she lent me to put on and a pair of black stockings; she quarrelled with me; I said I would not stay and sleep in the house.

Prosecutrix. I did not lend her them; the gown I washed, and left it hanging up; it was wet and not fit to wear.

Q. You are a single woman - A. Yes.

GUILTY , aged 25.

Confined Six Months in the House of Correction , and fined One Shilling .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Common Serjeant.

ROBERT MILLS.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-38
VerdictGuilty
SentenceImprisonment > house of correction; Miscellaneous > fine

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126. ROBERT MILLS was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 14th of October , four pair of shoes, value 12 s. the property of Adam Dunford .

ADAM DUNFORD . I live in New Lisle street, Leicester fields , I am a shoemaker ; the prisoner was my shopman .

Q. Had you any reason from your own knowledge of charging him with stealing any of your shoes - A. I knew that I missed shoes for a considerable time past.

WILLIAM JOSHUA . I am a shoe maker; I live in Swallow street; I have known the prisoner two years.

Q. Did you at any time receive four pair of shoes from him - A. These four pair were bought of him; two pair I bought of him four months ago; he told me he supplied shops with his own work; at that time I did not know that he was shopman to any body.

Q. What did you give him for these four pair of shoes - A. About twelve or fourteen shillings; I shewed these two pair to Mr. Dunford, he claimed them.

Cross-examined by Mr. Knapp. I suppose you deal with any body who brings shoes to you - A. Any body. I made enquiry where this young man lodged; he told me he lodged in Fitzroy market; he told me where he bought the leather; according to the sale of our goods I gave him a fair price.

The property produced and identified.

Prisoner's Defence. I am in the habit of making shoes after I leave work at night; I buy some likewise; I bought them shoes.

The prisoner called two witnesses, who gave him a good character.

GUILTY , aged 23.

Confined Six Months in the House of Correction , and fined One Shilling .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Common Serjeant.

ROBERT PATMORE.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-39
VerdictGuilty
SentenceImprisonment > house of correction; Corporal > public whipping

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127. ROBERT PATMORE was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 20th of December , twenty pound weight of lead, value 5 s. the property of James Brown , affixed to a building called a house .

JAMES BROWN . I live at Hackney, I lost the lead from a new building in the parish of Hackney, intended to be called Sutton place . On the 21st of December I missed some lead from the back bow of the house, about a quarter of a hundred weight. I had seen it on the house one or two days before. The prisoner had been at work at the house several days before, as a bricklayer's labourer . On the 22nd of December I saw the lead, it was brought to Hackney by Kennedy the officer; I compared it to the building; it appeared to be the same. The prisoner then was in custody.

Q. What is the value of this quarter of a hundred of lead - A. Above five shillings.

JOHN RUSSELL . I am a plumber.

Q. Did you furnish the lead for these new buildings - A. I did.

Q. Did you see the lead after it was brought back - A. I did; I fitted it and it corresponded with the vacant part of the house that it was stripped off.

JAMES KENNEDY . Q. You are an officer of Worship street office - A. I am. On the 20th of December, about a quarter before seven in the evening, I was out on patrol duty in company with Crosswell and Valentine, and going up Hackney road we met the prisoner, he was coming towards London, he had a bag on his shoulder; I asked him what he had there; he said they were his tools and a bit of lead; I examined the bag, I found it contained nothing but lead and a bit of iron, a kind of an hold fast for a window.

Q. What was the weight of the lead - A. I suppose about twenty pound or upwards. I asked him where he brought it from; he said from Mourning lane, Hackney, it belonged to a man of the name of Barnes, that worked for a bricklayer, and he was carrying it to a plumber's in Shoreditch by Barnes's order; he could not tell the plumber's name. When we got him down to the office he said what he told me before was all lies; he said he was coming out of Thomas's square, in Hackney, opposite the Nag's Head in Mare street, a young man overtook him and asked him to carry the bag as far as Shoreditch; what was in it he did not know. He was committed that night. The next day I went to Hackney, there I found Mr. Brown instead of Mr. Barnes; I saw the plumber fit it to the top of the house; it fitted exactly.

The property produced and identified.

Prisoner's Defence. I am innocent of the matter; I took the lead to carry for the person, as I was coming home; I never saw that person but that evening; he asked me to bring it on the road for him and he would give me a pot of beer. As I was returning home I met these gentlemen; they detained me with it.

The prisoner called one witness, who gave him a good character.

GUILTY , aged 43.

Confined One Year in the House of Correction , and publicly whipped in the Parish of Hackney .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Common Serjeant.

ANN DOWNEY.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-40
VerdictNot Guilty

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128. ANN DOWNEY was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 9th of November , half a guinea, three shillings, five penny pieces, and two halfpence , the monies of John Jennings .

JOHN JENNINGS . I am a baker in Goswell street road .

Q. Do you live in the house where the shop is - A. No; I have a house in William street, Brunswick square.

Q. Who is the inhabitant of the house where the shop is - A. I am the occupier; the prisoner belonged to the lodgers in the house.

Q. Did you at any time lose the money mentioned in the indictment - A. I did; it was either on the night of the 8th of November, or on the morning of the 9th, I lost it from my till in the shop; I left my shop about seven or eight in the evening; the shop has two doors, one door to the parlour, and one door into the passage: I locked the door that communicates with the parlour, and put a chair to the other door that leads into the passage, so that nobody could go inside without forcing the chair.

Q. How many lodgers have you in the house - A. Mr. Bugby and his mother; the prisoner was their servant . About five o'clock on the morning of the 9th of November I came to the shop, I entered the shop by the parlour door; I found it locked; when I came to the next door I found that the chair had been removed. On the parlour door I found that the box of the lock, the screws, had been drawn to enable them to open the door without unlocking it.

Q. Then a person had got in that way - A. Yes. I found the lock of the till had been picked, as I supposed; I left it locked; upon examining the till I found that half a guinea that was marked was gone, three shillings in silver, all marked, were gone, seven penny pieces, and two halfpence were gone. About eight o'clock the prisoner came down; I fetched the officer; at seven o'clock the prisoner came into my bakehouse to get a light, and then she went into her own kitchen. Wood

the officer, at that time was in the area, I told him she was gone into the kitchen; he went into the kitchen after her, he searched her, he produced half a guinea; I believed she gave up the silver. I saw the mark on the half guinea that I had put on it the over night. He searched her box up stairs and found the copper pieces that I had lost; all the money I had marked the over night.

Q. Did he produce any key - A. Yes, one that opened my till, and the other opened my tea caddy; I had lost them both.

Q. Upon this being discovered what did the prisoner say - A. She said it was the first time, and she hoped I would forgive her; I told her it was not the first time. I told the officer to take her away.

GEORGE WOOD . I am an officer of Hatton Garden office. On the 9th of November I went to Mr. Jennings' house; the prisoner came down about eight o'clock; I followed her into the kitchen, told her what Mr. Jennings suspected her of, and said I must search her; upon searching her I found half a guinea, marked with a cross on the head side; I shewed it to Mr. Jennings, he recollected it; I found three shillings on her, all marked with a cross; I found the key of her box upon her person; I searched her box; I found five penny pieces marked with a 2, and two halfpence marked with a figure of 6; Mr. Jennings claimed them all. In her box I found two keys that Mr. Jennings claimed - one the key of his till, and the other the key of his tea caddy. The prisoner went down upon her knees, and begged for mercy very hard, she said she had done it last night, it was the first time. - Through a mistake last session I put the money into my pocket; the marks are worn out.

Q. That it is very incautious conduct - A. It is, my lord; I can assure you it was not done wilfully.

NOT GUILTY .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Common Serjeant.

JOHN WARD.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-41
VerdictGuilty > theft under 40s
SentenceImprisonment > house of correction; Corporal > private whipping

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129. JOHN WARD was indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house of Matthew Toole , about the hour of twelve at night on the 24th of December , with intent to steal, and burglariously stealing therein 16 l. 9 s. the property of Matthew Toole .

MATTHEW TOOLE . Q. Are you an housekeeper - A. Yes, in Caroline court, Saffron hill ; I had four lodgers; the prisoner was a lodger of mine.

Q. What time did you go to bed on the night of the 24th of December - A. Between twelve and one.

Q. Did you secure your door and windows - A. This was about six o'clock in the morning; we all got up together, the prisoner, I, and two more lodgers.

Q. Had you any money in the house - A. I had eight guineas belonging to myself, and seven guineas and fourteen shillings belonging to my three lodgers.

Q. Had you any money belonging to this man - A. Not above two or three shillings when his way was paid.

Q. Where did you keep this money - A. In a box by the bed side.

Q. Did he sleep in the same room with you - A. No, in the next room, on the same floor; we had separate doors.

Q. How was your door fastened when you went to bed - A. It fastens with a latch; sometimes I fasten it and sometimes I do not.

Q. How lately before this had you seen this quantity of money of your's - A. I had seen it in the evening before; I went to the box to get money at five o'clock, it was safe then; when I went to bed I took my shirt out to put on in the morning, it was safe then.

Q. Does any body sleep in the same room with you - A. My wife and little child.

Q. Was the box locked - A. I think it was, I am not certain. This prisoner, my wife, and I, went to mass at six o'clock in the morning to Duke street, Lincoln's inn fields.

Q. At that time you did not know that you had lost the money - A. I was sure that I had not lost the money. When I went out to mass the prisoner went as far as Lincoln's inn fields with me, then he left me; it seemed to me as if he stopped to draw water.

Q. Did you see him at chapel - A. No; I went home a little after seven, I found the door wide open, and the box removed from the place where it had been; there was not a farthing of money in the box; somebody had removed it from the bed side to the door.

Q. Do you know that the prisoner had been back to the house - A. I did not see him till nine o'clock. There was one man remained in the house all the time; his name was Macdaniel.

Q. You do not know that the money was in the box when you went to mass - A. I really believe it was. I suspected Macdaniel then, because I had left him in the house; I sent for an officer, Wensley came, he searched Macdaniel and found nothing on him; I heard the prisoner was drinking; I went to the public house to him; I saw he was getting drunk; I give a dinner to my lodgers, it is customary on Christmas day, I brought him home to his dinner; after he had ate his dinner I sent for Wensley, he came and searched him, he found nothing but sixpence farthing in copper on him; we let him go. At night he came in dead drunk, and throwed his clothes on the middle of the floor; I got up in the morning, I took hold of his coat, I found it weighty; when he got up I said John, I suspect you have not been at work to get money; he said he would go to his brother; he ran down stairs, I ran after him and threw him down; I said he should not go. He threw a letter on the ground as he was running away, I picked it up; I caught hold of him by the handkerchief, I found there were money there; I took him to Wensley's house; he took the handkerchief off and found two guineas and a half. The prisoner took the handkerchief off and put the money in his pocket in spite of me.

Q. Did you know how much money he took out of the handkerchief at that time - A. No; when the constable got up he searched him, he found two guineas and a half in gold, two shillings, and some halfpence; he said it should be decided by the law, he would make us all sorry for robbing of him.

Q. I suppose none of the money that you had in your trunk was marked - A. No; but the half guinea I think I should know, it was crooked on the harp side.

Q. That is common - A. It is. I knew the letter that he threw down; that was in my box, with two guineas and a half in it, the night before; I have the letter here, it was addressed to me, it came to me from Ireland.

JOHN WENSLEY . I am a constable.

Q. Do you know what parish this house of the prosecutors

is in - A. St. Andrew , Holborn; I was sent for to search the prisoner, between three and four o'clock in the afternoon; I told him what I searched him for; he said if I found any more money upon him than some copper, I might do as I liked with him; I found only six penny-pieces and a farthing in copper in his pocket; he had no other money about him; I let him go; the next morning the prosecutor brought him down to my house.

Q. You did not come down till the man had taken off his neckloth - A. No; he was struggling to get away from the prosecutor; when I came down on searching him, I found in his breeches pocket two guineas and a half in gold, and two shillings in copper in his waistcoat pocket; I observed to the prosecutor that there was a crooked half guinea; the prisoner said it was his own, and threatened us with law for taking his money from him; the prosecutor afterwards delivered me this letter; it has been in my possession ever since.

Q. to prosecutor. Look at the half guinea - A. I remarked it being crooked at the tail of the harp.

Jury. I think you said that you was not certain that the box was locked - A. Yes, I am.

Q. Are you sure that you always kept the box locked - A. I am; my wife kept the key.

COURT. Did you look about for this man at the chapel - A. I did; I thought he was along with me; I stood at the door while the people passed out, and if he had been there I must have seen him.

Jury. Was Macdaniel in the house all the time you went to mass - A. He was.

Q. You did not lock the door when you went to mass - A. I bolted it inside, and went out of the window; when I came home I found the door open.

COURT. Had you seen that letter in the box that night - A. Yes, it was in the dimity pocket with my money, and the pocket book in my box.

Q. Did you bolt the door and go out of the window - you speak so fast I cannot understand you - A. I went out at the door, put my hand in at the window and bolted the door.

Q. How could the prisoner come in - A. The same way I went out.

Q. Did Macdaniel say he saw him come in the house - A. No.

Q. Was he up when you returned - A. No, he was in bed when I came.

The prisoner said nothing in his defence, called three witnesses, who gave him a good character.

GUILTY, aged 35.

Of stealing to the value of thirty nine shillings only, but not of burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house .

Confined One Year in the House of Correction , and whipped in Goal .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Common Serjeant.

JOHN WEDDAL GUYER.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-42
VerdictNot Guilty

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130. JOHN WEDDAL GUYER was indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house of Thomas Dennis , about the hour of five, on the night of the 4th of January , with intent to steal and burglariously stealing an umbrella, value 10 s. his property .

THOMAS DENNIS . I am a journeyman baker ; I live at No. 3, Chigwell hill, Ratcliffe highway, in the parish of St. George . On Wednesday the 4th of this month, between five and six at night, I saw the prisoner at my window; I saw him lift my shop window open; I was standing behind a screen that parts the shop and the sitting room; he put his hand in and took a silk umbrella from the inside of the window. that was there for sale; when he opened the window a board tell out, it had on it, lodgings for single men; I went out of doors after him into the highway, I could see nothing of him; the next morning I went to Shadwell office and described the man; he had lodged with me; he left his lodgings ever since the 8th of October.

Q. I suppose he and you differed about something - A. I never spoke to him after I was married to the woman.

Q. Do you find men for ships - A. I do.

Q. They are called crimps - you know the prisoner was a seafaring man - A. He is so.

Q. How long did he lodge in the house - A. Two years; he never lodged with me.

Q. How long have you been married to this woman - A. About three months on the 1st of October.

Q. The prisoner left your house by your account on the 8th of October - that is just a week after you was married to this woman - when did you take him up - A. On the 7th of this month.

Q. Did you ever find your umbrella - A. No.

Q. If you saw him so plain he could see you, you had lights in the shop I presume - A. We had.

Q. Then he could see you - A. That I do not know.

Q. Why did not you prevent him from taking it when he opened the window - A. If I had gone out he would not have taken it.

Q. You thought of the forty pounds - A. Yes.

MARY - . I am a poor woman, I sell fruit in the street; I have known the prisoner about two years; he lodged in this man's house.

Q. Where did he lodge after he left there - A. I do not know; as I was going for some coals at past five o'clock in the evening, I saw him look at this man's door, and when I came down the place he past me with an umbrella.

Q. You do not know whether it was his umbrella or whether it belonged to any body else - A. No.

Q. You did not see him lift up the window - A. No.

Prisoner's Defence. I am perfectly innocent of the crime; I lodged two years with the wife, before this man married her; it is nothing but jealously, he has owed me a spite ever since.

The prisoner called three witnesses, who gave him a good character.

NOT GUILTY .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Recorder.

EDWARD DEARMER, ELIZABETH DEARMER.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-43
VerdictGuilty > theft under 40s; Not Guilty
SentenceImprisonment > house of correction; Miscellaneous > fine

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131. EDWARD DEARMER and ELIZABETH DEARMER were indicted for feloniously stealing on the 6th of December , twenty eight yards of cotton, value 2 l. and three remnants of cotton, value 3 s. the property of William Miles , in his dwelling house .

WILLIAM MILES . I am a calico printer , 282, High Holborn ; I know nothing of the transaction myself.

WILLIAM WALLIS . I am a taylor; I bought this bed furniture of Mrs. Dearmer, in the beginning of December; I gave sixteen pence a yard and sold it for eighteen pence; Mrs. Dearmer asked me, did I go to shops and sell this furniture; I said no; because she said if I did I was not to have it; I told my wife some time after what what Mrs. Dearmer said; she suspected she could not come honestly by it; I was determined

to find out whether it was stolen or not; I went to Mr. Miles's, shewed him a pattern; he claimed it.

ELIZABETH PALMISTER . I am a green grocer in Lambeth walk. About six weeks ago, I bought this bed furniture of Mr. Wallis, I gave eighteen pence a yard for it; he came again in two or three days afterwards, asked me for a pattern of it, I gave it him. This is the furniture I bought of Mr. Wallis.

WILLIAM BANNISTER . I am a calico glazer, 130, St. Martin's lane, the prisoner was my servant. On the 6th of December the prisoner was gone to deliver some goods at Mr. Miles's. I went with Mr. Miles to his house; the prisoner was taken from Mr. Miles's house to Bow street. When the magistrate asked him what he had to say, his words were, that he had got this piece in a sheet in a mistake, and that he had taken them; and his wife knew nothing of the matter.

Q. to Wallis. That bed furniture which you sold to Mrs. Palmister, you bought of the woman prisoner - A. Yes, this is it; it is twenty eight yards.

The property produced and identified.

Edward Dearmer 's Defence. I have always acted duly and truly for Mr. Bannister. What I said at Bow street was to clear my wife. I bought the furniture.

The prisoners called seven witnesses, who gave them a good character.

EDWARD DEARMER , GUILTY, aged 30.

Of stealing to the value of thirty nine shillings .

Confined Six Months in the House of Correction , and fined One Shilling .

ELIZABETH DEARMER , NOT GUILTY .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Recorder.

ELIZABETH MARWOOD.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-44
VerdictGuilty > theft under 40s
SentenceImprisonment > house of correction; Miscellaneous > fine

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132. ELIZABETH MARWOOD was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 4th of January , a watch, value 40 s. and a table cloth, value 10 s. the property of John Wright , in the dwelling house of James Lindores .

JOHN WRIGHT . I am a servant out of place. On Wednesday the 4th of this month I lost a silver watch and a table cloth out of my room, No. 71, King street, Golden square ; James Lindores is the landlord. I was absent from home when they were lost.

ABRAHAM DRY . A watch was pledged with me on the 4th of January by Sarah Williams for half a guinea. I am a pawnbroker, 32, St. Martin's lane.

JAMES BROWN . I am a pawnbroker, No. 12, Long Acre. On the 4th of January, about seven o'clock in the evening, the prisoner pledged a table cloth with me for fifteen shillings.

ELIZABETH WHITE . I keep a house in King's street, Golden square. On Wednesday the 4th of this month, about three o'clock in the afternoon, the prisoner came into my house, went up stairs, and came down again. I went up stairs and looked out of my lodger's window. I saw her go into Mr. Lindores'.

SARAH WILLIAMS . Q. You pawned the watch, did not you - A. Yes; the prisoner gave it me to pawn; I gave her the duplicate; she is an acquaintance of my mother's.

The property produced and identified.

Prisoner's Defence. I leave it to the mercy of the court.

GUILTY, aged 28.

Of stealing to the value of thirty nine hillings only .

Confined One Year in the House of Correction , and fined One Shilling .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Recorder.

SUSANAH BUTLER.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-45
VerdictGuilty
SentenceImprisonment > house of correction; Miscellaneous > fine

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133. SUSANAH BUTLER was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 4th of January , four silver tea spoons, value 10 s. two looking glasses, value 3 s. a tea-board, value 2 s. a tea tray, value 4 s. a towel, value 4 d. and a handkerchief, value 4 d. the property of James Cruikshanks .

JAMES CRUIKSHANKS . I am a metal fan light manufacturer . I live in Gerard street, Soho ; the prisoner was my lodger's servant .

Q. When did you loose these things - A. At several times, within these fifteen months. I did not know of the loss of some of the things, until a few things were found.

JOSEPH WOOD . I am servant to Mr. Barker, pawnbroker, 22, Princes street, Soho. I have got four tea spoons, one pawned on the 3d of December, one on the 8th, one on the 13th, and one on the 31st of December, for half a crown each; pawned in the name of Mrs. Cruikshanks.

Q. Do you remember who the person was - A. No.

EDWARD THOMAS BROWN . I am a pawnbroker, I live with Mr. Lucas, No. 4, Rider's court, Leicester square. On the 1st of October the prisoner pledged a tea tray for four shillings, and a looking glass for one shilling and sixpence; 21st of May, a handkerchief four pence; and on the 19th of April, a looking glass for one shilling and sixpence; and on the 13th of May, a towel for four pence.

- STONE. I know nothing more than taking the prisoner in custody, and finding the things at the pawnbrokers; the duplicates were found behind Mr. Cruikshank's house door.

The property produced and identified.

Prisoner's Defence. I was persuaded to have a try in the lottery; I meaned to replace them when I got my wages.

GUILTY , aged 29.

Confined One Year in the House of Correction , and fined One Shilling .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Recorder.

SARAH NEED.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-46
VerdictGuilty
SentenceTransportation

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134. SARAH NEED was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 29th of December , three yards of silk, value 6 s. 6 d. two pair of pantaloons, value 6 s. a table cloth, value 1 s. five yards of stuff, value 6 d. four gowns, value 7 s. four petticoats, value 2 s. a shawl, value 1 s. 6 d. two yards of muslin, value 1 s. a cloth coat, value 2 s. a surplice, value 6 d. and a cloak, value 15 s. the property of Edmund Spragg , George Burton , and Joseph Vickers .

GEORGE BURTON . I am an optician; I keep a shop in the Borough. On the 29th of December, I received information that something belonging to the Royalty theatre was pledged; the prisoner was mistress of the wardrobe .

Q. Who are the proprietors of the Royalty theatre - A. George Burton , Gilbert Sprag , and Joseph Vickers , were the three sole proprietors; Mr. Vickers and I, are at present the assignees.

SAMUEL MILLER . I am an officer. On the 29th of December I was sent for to the royalty theatre; I searched the prisoner there; I found upon her seventy four duplicates; many of them led to a discovery of the articles stolen. I afterwards searched her house in St. George's fields; and there I found this fringe and two pair of drawers.

LOUISA MILBOURN . I live at No. 50, Chamber

street, Goodman's fields. I have pledged things for the prisoner by her orders.

GEORGE HOCKLEY . I live at 81, Cable street, Well close square. I have taken in a variety of articles which are claimed by the proprietors of the Royalty theatre; some pledged by Milbourne, and some by Hartley; a cloak, a muslin gown, and a piece of silk, I took in of Hartley; a muslin gown, of Milbourne, a coat, and a pair a pantaloons.

Q. to Miller. Have you the duplicates of these things - A. Yes.

SAMUEL CHAPMAN . I am a pawnbroker, No. 7, London road, St. George's fields; a sheet and a gown was pawned with me on the 21st of November in the name of Burgess.

Louisa Milbourne . I pledged the coat and two pair of trowsers; I gave the duplicates to Mrs. Need.

MRS. HARTLEY. I pawned the articles by Mrs. Need's orders, I gave her the duplicates; Mrs. Need told me the things were her own.

The property produced and identified.

The prisoner said nothing in her defence, nor called any witnesses to character.

GUILTY , aged 41.

Transported for Seven Years .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Recorder.

WILLIAM RUSSEL, WILLIAM SMITH.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-47
VerdictGuilty; Guilty
SentenceTransportation

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135. WILLIAM RUSSEL and WILLIAM SMITH were indicted for feloniously stealing on the 5th of December , a bed tick, value 30 s. and a bolster case, value 10 s. the property of George Rawlins .

GEORGE RAWLINS . I am an upholsterer , I live at Walthamstow . On the 5th of December I placed a bed tick and a bolster case in my front shop; I then went out and shut the door after me; I was out about a quarter of an hour; when I returned the bed tick and bolster case was gone; I received information from Cowell.

ELIZABETH COWELL . I live at Walthamstow. I saw Smith, the prisoner, come out of Mr. Rawlins' shop between twelve and one in the day; he brought out a blue and white thing under his arm; the other prisoner was with him; they asked me for a needle full of thread, I gave it them; there was a soldier there, they all three went away together.

JAMES MARR . I am a seller of fish. On the 5th of December, between twelve and one, I was coming up Church fields, Walthamstow, I met Mr. Rawlins; he asked me whether I saw three men; I told him no; he told me they had robbed him; he gave me a description of them. When I came to Clapton, in the Back lane, I saw three men that answered the description; one of them had a bag under his arm, and a bit of bed sacking hanging out of the bag; I catched hold of him by the collar, I asked him what he had got there; he said nothing that belonged to me, and chucked the bag down to Smith; he said to him, that is not my bag, it is your's; he hit me on the breast and wrenched himself out of my hands; when I found he was gone up the Back lane I went to Smith and said if he is gone you shall not go. Russell went on, a gentleman on horseback went after him and stopped him; they got a constable and took them in custody, and I went to Walthamstow to let the prosecutor know.

The property produced and identified.

Smith's Defence. I never was in Walthamstow in my life; I was walking by the water side for a day's work, I was stopped by that man; I never had the bag in my possession.

Russel's Defence. I never was in Walthamstow in my life; at the time I was in Whitechapel having my dinner.

Prosecutor. He told me himself he begged the thread of the girl when he went out of my shop door.

RUSSEL, GUILTY , aged 19.

SMITH, GUILTY , aged 37.

Transported for Seven Years .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Recorder.

WALTER WIGGINS.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-48
VerdictGuilty
SentenceImprisonment > house of correction; Miscellaneous > fine

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136. WALTER WIGGINS was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 6th of January , half a bushel of apples, value 3 s. the property of Philip Cambrey .

PHILIP CAMBREY . I am a salesman in Covent Garden market . I was not there at the time it was done.

EDWARD HYAT . I am a porter in the market; I unloaded nine baskets of apples for Mr. Cambrey; the prisoner took one away and carried it twenty yards off; I pursued him and took him.

Q. What did he say for himself - A. He said he was making water, a man came and put it down by him; I saw him take it away, I had been watching him twenty minutes; he made several attempts before he took it.

Prisoner's Defence. I was making water; he did not take the basket from me.

The property produced and identified.

The prisoner called two witnesses, who gave him a good character.

GUILTY , aged 26.

Confined Six Months in the House of Correction , and fined One Shilling .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Recorder.

ROBERT WILLIAMS.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-49
VerdictGuilty
SentenceImprisonment > house of correction; Miscellaneous > fine

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137. ROBERT WILLIAMS was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 6th of January , four quart pewter pots, value 4 s. and three pint pewter pots, value 1 s. 6 d. the property of Charles Cliffe .

CHARLES CLIFFE . I am a publican , I keep the George, known by the name of the Half Way house, Commercial road . On the 6th of January the officers brought the prisoner into my house with seven pots with my name on them.

PETER MASON . I am an officer of Worship street office. On the 6th of January, about six in the evening, I was in the Commercial road, in company with Gleed; we saw the prisoner walking in the middle of the road, he seemed to have something about him; we took him into a butcher's shop; Gleed took off his hat, there was one pint pot in his hat, some were in his pockets, and some behind him.

The property produced and identified.

Prisoner's Defence. At the time they represent they took me in the road, I was crossing the way to see where they belonged to.

GUILTY , aged 45.

Confined One Year in the House of Correction , and fined One Shilling .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Recorder.

JOHN CHAPMAN.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-50
VerdictGuilty
SentenceImprisonment > house of correction; Miscellaneous > fine

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138. JOHN CHAPMAN was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 5th of January , a basket, value 2 s. and two bushels of apples, value 10 s. the property of Thomas Weatherfield .

SECOND COUNT, the property of John Leary .

THOMAS WEATHERFIELD . I am a fruiterer in Covent Garden market. I only know of the goods being consigned to me; they were deposited in a warehouse belonging to Henry Pearson .

JOHN LEARY . I am porter to Mr. Weatherfield: I saw these goods counted in the warehouse; on the 5th of January I was called on to bring them to market; in bringing them up to market I missed a two bushel basket.

HENRY PEARSON . Q. You keep this warehouse - A. Yes. On the 5th of January, I saw the prisoner take out a two bushel basket of apples; he told me he was going to take them to Mr. Weatherfield.

JOHN HILL . On the 5th of January, there were four ordered to market, and instead of four there were only three; Mr. Pearson's son told me Chapman took one; I met with Chapman, the soldier, at Knights-bridge; the officer said to him you know what you are charged with; he said yes, but I do not mind it.

Prisoner's Defence. I am innocent of the crime I am charged with; I borrowed a knot of Mr. Pearson, I returned it; I never knew of the charge till one of my comrades told me.

The prisoner called one witness, who gave him a good character.

GUILTY , aged 26.

Confined Six Months in the House of Correction , and fined One Shilling .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Recorder.

EDWARD JORDAN.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-51
VerdictNot Guilty

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139. EDWARD JORDAN was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 3d of December , four hundred and eighty penny pieces, and one thousand two hundred and forty halfpence , the property of John Boards .

SECOND COUNT the property of William Walker .

JOHN BOARDS . I am a farmer at Edmonton . On the 3rd of February, I asked the prisoner for five pounds in copper, which Mr. Walker sent me; he said he had lost them, and then he said he had shot them under the dung; he pretended to look under the dung for them.

WILLIAM WALKER . I am a potatoe merchant , in St. John street. On the 3rd of December, I packed up five poundsworth of halfpence and penny pieces in this sack; I delivered them to the prisoner; he laid them on his dung in the cart and went away; I heard that he had lost them on the Monday; in about ten days afterwards he brought the same sack that I had sewed the halfpence up, full of potatoes; I am sure it is the same sack.

JOHN GILMER . I was at work in the field when the prisoner came home and shot his load of dung; I assisted him in shooting it; after I went home he came to my house and said he had lost five poundsworth of halfpence; he asked me to lend him a lanthorn and to go with him to see if he had shot them on the dung; I went with him, we could not find them.

JOSEPH GIBSON . I am a servant to Mr. Boards. On the 3rd of December, the prisoner came home with a load of dung; the servant girl came out, and asked him if he had brought any halfpence home; he seemed to be surprized, he said he had shot them out with his dung; he said he would go and look for them; he went and was gone two hours and a half; he returned, said he had not found them; he would go and look for them in the morning.

WILLIAM READ . I am officer; I apprehended the prisoner; he said he had lost them.

Q. to Walker. They have never been found, have they - A. No.

Prisoner's Defence. I took this bag from Mr. Walker, I put it on the cart; I saw it several times on the road; the last time I saw it was going up the lane to shoot the dung; I told the maid servant, when she asked me if I had any halfpence, I had shot them in the dung; I asked this man to assist me in shooting the dung.

NOT GUILTY .

First Middlesex jury, before Mr. Recorder.

THOMAS FORD.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-52
VerdictGuilty
SentenceTransportation

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104. THOMAS FORD was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 17th of December , four quartern loaves, of bread, value 4 s. the property of John Chew .

The case was stated by Mr. Pooley.

JOHN FRENCH . I am a broker, I live in Berwick court .

Q. Has Mr. Chew any door that opens into that court - A. Yes, nearly opposite of my house; it is not Mr. Chew's shop door, it is the side door, the shop door is in Henrietta street. On the 17th of last December I observed a man walking to and fro my door for five minutes; then I observed the prisoner come out of Mr. Chew's private door; I saw him give four round quartern loaves to the man that was walking to and fro by Mr. Chew's.

Q. What door did the prisoner come from - A. The side door, I am sure of that; he gave the man four loaves altogether as they were baked in the oven; the prisoner went down stairs again immediately.

Q. What became of the man to whom he gave the loaves - A. He walked briskly on till he came to Gee's court, and then he made a run.

Q. Is this door kept open for customers as well as the front door - A. No; it is for the use of lodgers; I told Mr. Chew when he opened the shutters.

JOHN CHEW . I am a baker , I live at No. 2, Henrietta street, Manchester square.

Q. Where is your shop door - A. In Henrietta street, my house is the corner of Berwick court; I have a door in Berwick court for the use of the lodgers only, and a door in Henrietta street.

Q. On the 17th of December did you order that the prisoner should bring up the bread in consequence of some information - A. Yes; he brought up eighty seven quartern loaves about eight o'clock; Mr. French had told me ten minutes before that.

Q. Was eighty seven quartern loaves the quantity that there should be - A. Ninety one I put in myself. I am quite sure of it, it is always a regular quantity. I asked him whether they were all up; he said they were.

Q. Did he ever account to you for the remaining four - A. Never.

Prisoner's Defence. There have been a number of loaves sold out at that private door; Mr. Chew knows that he served a woman in the house, and that he cannot deny.

Prosecutor. I never knew in my life that a loaf went out that way.

The prisoner called four witnesses, who gave him a good character.

GUILTY , aged 28.

Transported for Seven Years .

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. Common Serjeant.

THOMAS FORD.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-53
VerdictGuilty
SentenceTransportation

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141. THOMAS FORD was indicted for feloniously

stealing on the 29th of December , eleven pound weight of flour, value 4 s. and two twopenny loaves, value 4 d. the property of John Chew .

The case was stated by Mr. Pooley.

JOHN CHEW . Q. Your bakehouse is down stairs - A. Yes.

Q. You have two doors to your bakehouse - A. Yes, one door goes into the street and the other to the internal part of the house; when we are not there we usually keep it shut. I knew the prisoner was robbing me; I did business as well as ever I did it, I found myself deficient very much; I went to Marlborough street and got an officer to come to my house. About two o'clock in the afternoon, on the 29th of December, I cut a hole in the bakehouse door to watch the prisoner, I saw him take his hat from one side of the bakehouse to the other, he turned his handkerchief on his hat and laid in two shovels of flour; he laid the corners of the handkerchief on the flour, he put the hat on his head, he went out of the bakehouse from the area steps; I went up the area steps.

Q. How much did he put in - A. I suppose as much as he did when the officer stopped him, four pound all but an ounce. I saw him go into the highway; when he was crossing the road I said Thomas, there is a cake belonging to Mr. Smith of Marylebone lane, perhaps he may want it; he said I am only going over the way, I will be back in five minutes; he came back in five minutes. I went down stairs, and just as I got to the bakehouse he put his handkerchief on his hat and put in two shovels full as before, doubled the corners, put the hat on, and took the cake with him; he went up the area steps and went out; he returned in about an hour. When he came back it got dark, so that he could not see without a candle; when he came to the shop door I said Thomas, you will not be able to see without a candle; he went down stairs, I went to the door where I had been before, I saw him wash his arms; I went up stairs, I stood in the shop; he said sir, the door is fastened; I said it is, there is a fresh batch of flour, I put a padlock on the door; I said I will come down and stop while you fill the copper; he said no, I will come up the same way and lock the door; I went up stairs, I saw the prisoner through a crack up stairs; he took a candle; I could see in the middle part of the bakehouse, I saw the hat in his hand, I had looked in the hat when I went down stairs for him to fill the copper, it had nothing in it then; I saw him take the hat across the bakehouse when I was in the sitting room. He after that came up stairs and said, here is a strange key of the bakehouse, I found it in the cellar; the officer seized him; he found in his hat the flour that is now here; there was four pound all but one ounce.

Q. Do you think there was as much upon a former occasion as there was then in the hat - A. Yes; much about.

Mr. Knapp. The two former quantities of flour you could not ascertain the weight - A. No; there were two shovels full; I think two shovels full to be four pound almost.

JOHN FOY . I took the flour out of this man's hat, four pounds all but an ounce.

Prisoner's Defence. When I went to Mr. Chew as journeyman , I was to be allowed both bread and beer by Mr. Chew.

Chew. I did not allow him to take bread without asking me for it; he never took out flour without asking my leave; if he wanted flour he used it down in the bakehouse.

GUILTY , aged 28.

Transported for Seven Years .

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. Common Serjeant.

ANN DIXON.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-54
VerdictNot Guilty

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142. ANN DIXON was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 7th of January , a silver watch, value 35 s. the property of John Von Essen .

JOHN VON ESSEN . I am a German. On the 7th of January, about eight in the evening, I met the prisoner in Whitechapel , she took me to her lodging; I was not there a quarter of an hour when I took out my watch to wind it up; she snatched it out of my hand and ran away.

Q. Did you give her any thing - A. Yes, five shillings. I did not run after her, I thought she would come back again, and that she was only in fun. I gave three pound ten shillings for the watch; I have since seen it at the pawnbroker's; I know it to be mine.

MR. HAYES. The prisoner pawned the watch with me, I lent her a pound on it.

Prisoner's Defence. I took the prisoner home to my own room; he asked me to go for liquor to drink, and then he asked to stay with me all night; I said if you give me a compliment; he said take my watch and pawn it. I went and pawned it for a pound; when I came home he was gone. On Sunday evening the constable came and took me a prisoner in my own room.

NOT GUILTY .

Second Middlesex jury, before Mr. Common Serjeant.

GEORGE ELLISON.
11th January 1809
Reference Numbert18090111-55
VerdictGuilty
SentenceCorporal > private whipping

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143. GEORGE ELLISON was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 3d of December , seven deaboards, value 15 s. two thousand nails, value 3 s. and twelve iron clamps, value 6 d. the property of William Brass .

WILLIAM BRASS . I am a box maker . The prisoner worked for me on my own premises, No. 3, Water lane, Fleet street . On the 3d of December, from information I received from my apprentice, I applied for a warrant to search the prisoner's premises; I charged the prisoner with stealing some boards; he said nothing. In a loft above the prisoner's room the officers found the articles specified in the indictment; the boards I knew by having my chalk mark on them, and the nails and the iron plates are such as we use in our business. The prisoner, upon the officer producing them, said they were mine.

Q. What is the value of the boards - A. From fifteen to eighteen shillings, the nails half a crown, and the clamps, one shilling.

WILLIAM WILSON NICHOLSON . I am an apprentice to the last witness. Previous to the 3d of December I missed deals from my master's premises, I informed my master; I attended the search warrant at the prisoner's lodgings, and when the officer produced these things the prisoner said they were all my master's.