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THE WHOLE PROCEEDINGS ON THE KING's Commission of the Peace, Oyer and Terminer, and Gaol Delivery for the CITY of LONDON; AND ALSO The Gaol Delivery for the County of Middlesex; HELD AT JUSTICE HALL in the OLD BAILEY, On Wednesday the 19th of OCTOBER, 1785, and the following Days;

Being the EIGHTH SESSION in the Mayoralty of The Right Hon. RICHARD CLARK , LORD MAYOR OF THE CITY OF LONDON.

TAKEN IN SHORT-HAND BY E. HODGSON, PROFESSOR OF SHORT-HAND; And Published by Authority.

NUMBER VIII. PART I.

LONDON:

Printed for E. HODGSON (the Proprietor) And Sold by J. WALMSLAY, No. 35, Chancery Lane, and S. BLADON, No. 13, Pater-noster Row.

MDCCLXXXV.

THE WHOLE PROCEEDINGS UPON THE

KING's Commission of the Peace, Oyer and Terminer, and Gaol Delivery for the CITY of LONDON, &c.

BEFORE the Right Honourable RICHARD CLARK , LORD MAYOR of the City of London; the Honourable Sir GEORGE NARES Knt. one of the Justices of his Majesty's Court of Common Pleas; the Honourable Sir JAMES EYRE , Knt. one of the Barons of his Majesty's Court of Exchequer; the Honourable JAMES ADAIR , Recorder of the said City; and others his Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer of the City of London, and Justices of Gaol Delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City and County of Middlesex.

London Jury.

Jonathan Key

Edmund Woods

Robert Ballinger

John Treacher

Thomas Moore

Charles Heath

Edward Quiddington

William Pashley

John Hadfield

George Gibson

Henry Jones

Joseph Beardmore .

First Middlesex Jury.

Samuel Hall

Thomas Kindleside

James Mann

John Davis

William Green

John Young

Thomas Brooks

Richard Asheldie

David Whitaker

James Rutherford

Anthony Strother

Peter Clunn .

Second Middlesex Jury.

William Arnold

Jacob Dinning

Lacey Punderson

Thomas Hodgson

Thomas Godsall

Edward Kitchin

Thomas Lacon

William Fox

Stephen Beck

Richard Baker

John Giles

Phillip Belton .

RICHARD PAYNE, CHARLESON MOLLOY, SARAH JOHNSON.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-1
VerdictNot Guilty

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910 RICHARD PAYNE , CHARLESON MOLLOY , and SARAH JOHNSON were indicted for feloniously stealing on the 29th day of September last, two jars, value 2 s. three gallons of copal varnish, value 3 l. and five gallons of gold size, value 4 l. the property of Allen Wall .

ALLEN WALL sworn.

I am a varnish maker .

Did you know the prisoners at the bar? - I saw them at the Rotation Office.

They were not employed under you? - No; I was sent for last Friday evening to the Rotation Office, in Litchfield-street, there I found two bottles, which with the contents, I believe to be my property.

JOHN MEADOWS sworn.

I work with Mr. Wall; on the 28th of last month I filled a pot of japan gold size, on the 29th I bottled it off, I locked the door on the 29th day, about six, or a little after, I shut it up for the night, and when I returned the next morning, the 30th, I found the lock picked and the door open, and two bottles gone, and a copper pot, I missed two jars, one with five gallons, with gold size, and one with three gallons of gold varnish; I am sure as to the quantity that was put in; on the 29th I made this bottle, and one Philip Gunter made the other, and he is ill.

Prosecutor. I can swear to that myself, it was made by Philip Gunter , a man hat has been in my employ for many years; he is at present ill, and has been for some time; I can swear positively to that, it has been made within a year and half, but I cannot swear positively to the contents of it at that time; I have a manufactory where I make varnishes and gold-size, which are sent to town in carts as they are wanted, this was a part of my stock, it never came down to Long Acre; I never saw it till I saw it at the Rotation Office; the other bottle was in my melting house at Marybone, they were both stolen from there; I know this to be copal varnish, I saw it within two months.

DENNIS M'DONALD sworn.

I went to search a house in Cross-lane, Saint Giles's, where the three prisoners were in a room, one of them, the prisoner Payne was blowing the fire, the other man came in and said the room was his, and the woman came in and said she found these two bottles, I asked her how they came there, she said she found them in the house, at the bottom of the stairs. Molloy said he knew nothing of them, but they were in the cupboard in the room, which he said was his room, I spoke to Payne and he made me no answer.

WILLIAM PICKERING sworn.

I went with M'Donald to search this house, and I was in the upper part of this house, and he called to me to come down to him, and I went into the room to M'Donald and there were these two bottles; the prisoner Payne was blowing the fire, and the woman came into the room, and M'Donald asked her where she got them, and she said she was going out early one morning to go to market, and she found these two bottles concealed under the stairs, when the man that goes for her husband, that is the prisoner Molloy, came in.

Prisoner Molloy. I habits with her my Lord.

Pickering. He said he knew nothing of the bottles, nor never saw them till the day that he found them. She did not say when she found them.

What day was this that you searched? - On Friday last the 14th of October; they were both full as they are now; I heard Payne say nothing.

What sort of a house was this? - I believe it is all in different tenements.

Was there one bed or two in the room? - One bed.

Court to Mac Donald . Who was in the room when you took them out of the cupboard? - Payne only.

(The Bottles deposed to)

What was the value of them? - Seven pounds.

CHARLES YOUNG sworn.

I was with the two last witnesses on Friday the 14th: I had been searching the two-pair of stairs room at this house, and I met Molloy coming out as I went into the house first; then I came down to the door, and M'Donald called me to come into Molloy's room, and I went up and saw these: two bottles stand in the room; I did not see them taken out of the cupboard.

PRISONER PAYNE's DEFENCE.

The prisoner Molloy was telling me of a job, and I came to see after it: I only just came up in the room about 9 minutes before, and this woman asked me to blow the fire for dinner.

Court to M'Donald. What time of day was this? - About 12.

PRISONER MOLLOY's DEFENCE.

I know nothing more of it, but on the Thursday that the good woman found it she told me of it on the Friday morning, and I told her to take it away, for it was nasty stinking stuff, and she said she would see if she could clear the jars out to keep water in: I told her could drink out of them.

Court to M'Donald. Was you ever at these before? - It is a bad house, where all the thieves go to.

PRISONER JOHNSON's DEFENCE.

Last Wednesday morning, about four, I went out to go to Billingsgate; this is an open-house all night, the street-door is never shut, and I looked in the cupboard which I put my basket in; my basket was put out of the cupboard, and these two bottles were in. Sometimes boys get into the cupboard and sleep; I thought would take them up stairs and see if any body enquired after them. When I came from market, I mentioned them to the woman in the next room; nobody enquired after them till Mr. M'Donald came.

Court. Is that woman here? - No, I said I would throw this stuff away, it was of no use to me, and I will try and clear the bottles: I said, perhaps, it was some painters stuff or other.

Prisoner Molloy. I have worked for my master eleven years; he came to the office.

Prosecutor. His master did give him a very excellent character, and said he had worked with him eleven years, and said he was a sober, honest young man.

JOHN ROWSON sworn.

I have seen the prisoner Molloy at the Play-house very often: I live with my brother, and we serve the houses with gold and silver laces, and I am at the play-house every evening, and have seen him there every evening; I never saw any harm of him; I always looked upon him as a very honest man; I have known him five or six years.

ALL THREE NOT GUILTY .

Tried by the first Middlesex Jury before Mr. Justice NAIRES

ROBERT SIMPSON.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-2
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceTransportation

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911. ROBERT SIMPSON was indicted for that he being in the dwelling house of one Gowen Crone , about the hour of one in the night, on the 27th day of September last, did feloniously steal therein one waistcoat, value 5 s. one shirt, value 3 s. and 7 l. 19 s. 6 d. in monies numbered, the property of Richard Beattie , and afterwards burglariously and feloniously did break out of the said house, in order to get out of the same, against the statute.

RICHARD BEATTIE sworn.

I live in Gold-street; near King-street, Wapping ; I live in the house of one Gowen Crone, he is the landlord; I have a room there.

Does he live in the house himself? - Yes.

Are there any other lodgers in the house besides you? - Yes, two women live up stairs in the garret. I have the chamber.

When was you robbed? - The 28th of September last, I met with a man in Ratcliff-highway, In a cook's-shop, that was the prisoner, I went in to get my dinner, and he came in just after me and sat down and got his dinner, and I came out again, and just at the cook's shop door, I saw two of my countrymen, and we went into a public-house to drink, the prisoner followed us to the public-house, and he called for either one or two pints of beer, my company

and me were sitting together, and he was like to breed a quarrel with us, and he wanted to fight, and I said I would sooner drink with you than fight with you any time, so would I too, says he, we sat there till near the evening dusk, then he would see us home, he was very good company, and he saw us home to our own apartment, there were two and himself were three, and I and my wife were five; and we drank, and were pretty merry, and he was very good company till I got a little groggy; then knowing the man, and he being in the house, and it drawing late, I laid down to get a sleep, then the prisoner begged to stay under the roof of the house, because he was locked out of his lodgings; I let him stay as he was a poor sailor like myself, to harbour him for fear any harm should come to him; when I awaked it was between three and four in the morning, and the man was gone, and the money, and my property, and my wearing apparel.

Where was the man when you went to sleep? - I will tell you, I had not a bed to put him in, but he said, never mind a bed, I can plank it, I have planked it many a time; I left him laying upon the floor.

Was any body else left in the room besides him? - Yes, one of the men that was along with him, that man slept in the bed with me, my wife awaked me, the strange man was laying on the backside of the bed, I was laying in the middle, my wife was laying with her clothes on upon the bed, she put her hand under the pillow where she put her pockets, and they were gone, and the man was gone, and the money was gone; through the alarm I waked the man, and run up stairs to get a light, this other man that was in the bed put his hand in his pocket, and he said to me, Dick, all my money is gone; says I, it is fallen out in the bed, and I put my hand into my pocket; why, says I, all my money is gone too, so she came down, says I, what is the matter; Oh dear! says she, matter enough, the man is gone, and the money is gone; I missed thirteen shillings and sixpence out of my right-hand breeches pocket, and I had only three shillings and six-pence in this breeches pocket that I was laying on, he could not get at that.

After you missed the money, did you look for the man? - I never had any thoughts to look for the man, what should I look for a man for that I never saw with my eyes before; my wife locked the door, bolted the door, and latched it; that is, it was latched first.

Did you examine the door, when you first waked, to see whether it was open or shut? - My wife did.

Did you lose any thing else besides your money? - Yes, a waistcoat, a washing jacket that I had under my coat, and I have not another in the world, and a shirt; and when I took him he had my shirt on, the shirt and jacket were laid for him to lay on to keep him as warm as I could.

Where did you take the man? - In the Half-way-house at Stepney, I had intelligence on Thursday night about ten; I directly got up, and took him, and I took my garters off my legs and tied him, and I found my own shirt upon his back, with a name my wife clapped in with her own hands, the waistcoat was not to be found, nor the money.

Had you ever seen the man before? - Never with my eyes till I saw him in the cook's-shop.

Are you sure the man that you found at the Half-way-house was the same man that you saw at the cook's-shop? - Oh, I am sensible, would I go to say or swear a false thing, my Lord. no, I would sooner die first.

You are quite sure? - I am sensible of it.

Court to Prisoner. Would you ask the witness any question? - If it is proper, when I am put on my defence I will.

MARY BEATTIE sworn.

I am wife of the last witness, I remember his coming home on the Tuesday night.

Was your husband in liquor or sober when he came home? - In liquor.

Who came home with him? - Two men and the prisoner besides my husband they came home between eight and nine.

Had they any drink when they came home? - Half a gallon of beer the prisoner sent for, and half a gallon I sent for; the prisoner staid there, he only begged to be under shelter, he said he was locked out of his lodgings, and thought as he was a sailor he might get into harm; I went to bed about twelve.

Where was the prisoner? - He was fast in sleep, you might have heard him snore down at the bottom of the stairs, he was laying on on the board.

Where was your husband? - He was in bed; one was in bed, one man went away, and the other staid.

Do you recollect whether your door was fast when you went to bed? - I locked it, bolted it and latched it, that was the outer door.

What did you do with the key? - I left it within the lock on the inside.

What time did you wake? - Between three and four in the morning.

Did you find that you had lost any thing? - I put my hand under my pillow, where I laid, and I missed my pocket, which I had put under my pillow, I laid with all my clothes on but my pocket, stays and shoes; as soon as I missed my pocket, I said, Oh lass a day, and I waked my husband, I was afraid he would ill-use me, and I struck a light; my husband said, what, are you not well; what is the matter? Oh! matter enough says I, the money is gone, and the man is gone; I had six guineas and a half and nine and six-pence in my pocket; I told it over before I went to bed, and the prisoner was snoring fast asleep.

What state did you find your room door in? - The door has a padlock on the outside, and locks on the outside; I fastened it on the inside with a case knife, and the case knife was taken away, I never saw it since, any body could open it on the inside, but not without, unless they broke the case knife in two.

When you went down stairs, how did you find the street door? - On the latch.

Was there any thing missed besides your money? - There was the shirt, and the waistcoat, and a jacket as they call it.

Had not you been drinking? - No sir.

When did you see the man again? - On Thursday night between eleven and twelve, at the Half-way House at Stepney; the people that were in the house knew him again, and came down and told us he was there; I saw my husband's shirt on his back, it is here, it has the mark which I put in myself.

WILLIAM ELBY sworn.

I took this shirt off the prisoner's back, at the lock-up-room at Shadwell, on the 28th of September, on a Thursday.

Mrs. Beattie. We found two guineas, eight shillings and half-a-crown piece and a penny, we cannot swear to money; Mr. Crone would not come without he was subpoenaed, and we could not get any money to subpoena him; we are very poor people, and he stripped us of every penny but fourpence halfpenny.

PRISONER's DEFENCE.

Yesterday was three weeks I went to the cook's shop in Ratcliff-high way to get my dinner, and there was a man in liquor, I went in, I never minded the man, and the prosecutor and the woman was sitting at dinner; in three or four minutes the man that was abusing the man at the cook's shop, was hauled in, having broke the windows, the man that was in liquor that broke the windows, asked the prosecutor to pay for the windows; I said this man and woman have said nothing amiss, they sat at table at dinner, they were charged with a constable, at last the prosecutor agreed to pay the man for the windows, but before that, says the woman, you have seen we have done nothing, and we will go before the Justice, and we will pay you for your trouble; says I, good woman I have nothing to do with your affairs, the man that broke the windows proved to be the prosecutor's landlord, tho' he said he did not know him. I often dine at this cook's shop, and the young man the son said to me, will you go over the way and

have a pint of beer? and we went, and there was the prosecutor and his wife and three more men, seamen, they had, I suppose, five or six pots of beer; I paid for a pint of beer, and we had another, they would insist on my drinking, I refused, however, they got pretty still, and one of the men that went home along with us began singing a song, then they insisted upon my joining their company, we continued there all the afternoon drinking and singing, and I put down a shilling and said let us see what that will do, one of these seamen put down another, the other men said they would not pay any thing, they were asked in; so one being a stout man, says to the prosecutor, you was my total ruin you know by false swearing before, and you have an undoubted right to pay my reckoning, and the woman said, do not have any words, I will pay the next of the reckoning, and she paid it, and we all went to their house together; I was for leaving them, no, no, says the prosecutor and his wife, let us go home and have a bit of supper, and a song or two at home, we went there and she put some victuals upon the table, and fetched half a gallon of beer, that was soon out, and I paid for another half gallon; there were two others, a man and woman came up, we had three half gallons of beer, and at ten I said I should be locked out; never mind that says the woman, and one of the men said we shall all pigg here to-night; I insisted upon going home, they insisted I should not; about eleven we had three half gallons more, and being in liquor, I said I cannot sit up, let me lay down to sleep; I laid down and one of the men pulled his jacket off and put it over me; the woman came up stairs and said says she there is a woman lays there, you may lay down with her, they saw before I had money, and I said I want no woman; the other two men were up and down stairs several and several times; I fell asleep, and the woman waked me, says she you must get up because my husband will be very angry, he does not remember your being here in the room, and these other three are his country people, he will not be vexed with them, but he will with you, for he will not remember you, as he was in liquor, and she went down with me and let me out; I went and set with the watchman till day-light, and gave him threepence; on the Thursday evening I went to the Half-way House at Stepney, and we had some beer there, and in came this man and his wife, and another man, and took and tied my hands; says he, he has pistols about him, I was searched, I had neither knife nor pistol; well, they took me down to Shadwell, there they stripped me of every thing, the shirt was taken off my back, and she made oath before the Justice that it was her shirt; she then said it was marked with I. L. I bought the shirt of Mrs. Winnes who sells clothes near the New Road, and a pair of stockings and a black handkerchief; I received this money at Chatham.

Court. Is Mrs. Winnes here? - No, I had no money to subpoena her, all my money and things were taken from me.

What way of life have you been in? - I am a carpenter, I have been down at Liverpool these two years, I have nobody living here at all.

Where did you lodge? - At Mr. Castow's in Plow-street, Whitechapel, a chandler's shop.

Is he here? - No, I sent a letter, but whether it went, or how, or which way, I cannot tell.

Court. Let that shirt be handed over to the Jury with that mark.

Court to Mrs. Beattie. You say you put in that mark yourself? - Yes.

How came you to put in J. L.? - It was my sister's husband's shirt, and I bought it of her, he entered on board the Druid man of war, and this shirt was pawned, here is a letter from the Druid man of war, it was his shirt at the time I marked it, therefore I marked it with his name.

Jury. What was your brother's name? - - John Lundy .

Court. The letter is no evidence.

Where does your sister live? - She is on board the Druid man of war at this time.

Where did she live before we went on board? - In King-street.

When was it this letter came? - I do not know, they were letters that my sister left behind her, I only brought them on purpose to let you know they were the same name; it was since my nephew was drowned.

Court to Elby. When did you first see any thing of this matter? - The prisoner was brought up to the public-house where I was drinking, with his hands tied, and charged with robbing them of some money, and this shirt, seven guineas I think it was, the shirt was then on his back.

Whereabout is the mark of the shirt? - In the bosom; I searched him and found two guineas upon him.

Court to Jury. With respect to the breaking out, the evidence falls short, for there were several other people in this house, none of which are here, they might have opened the door.

GUILTY. Of stealing, but not of the burglary .

Transported for seven years .

Tried by the first Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Baron Eyre .

JAMES NESBIT.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-3
VerdictGuilty
SentenceDeath

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912. JAMES NESBIT was indicted for burglariously and feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling house of Cornelius Callahan , about the hour of one in the night, on the 20th day of September last, with intent his goods and chattles there being burglariously and feloniously to steal .

CORNELIUS CALLAHAN sworn.

I live in the parish of Saint John, Wapping , on the 20th of last month my house was broke open; I went to bed about eight, before I went to bed I went into my workshop, which joins my dwelling house, there is only a partition between them, and I examined the places, and it was all fast, I was not up last, my wife was up last.

Is your wife here? - No, she went to bed an hour after, about nine; there was no servant; I heard the watchman cry twelve, and about five minutes after, I heard a noise alongside my bed, there is a little trap-door and a shutter, and I looked across it and saw a great light in the work-shop, and I saw a great part of the shop untiled, and the moon shone in through it, and I could see nobody; in about fifteen or twenty minutes after, I heard a great noise, it came from the head of the bed to the foot, and I saw a man come right through the tiling, which was the prisoner, there were two men more on the tiling when he came down, the cross pieces that go from the rafters were cut away, and this chissel was found on the tiles in the morning; he was standing on my bellows, I went back and got a short gun, which I always keep loaded, and I presented it to him through a hole, and it missed fire, I fired again, it missed fire a second time, then I awoke my wife and told her, then she got up and the prisoner hid himself, he was an hour and a quarter in the shop; I made my wife come down, I was afraid they would murder me, and my wife waited for the watchman coming full an hour, then a woman came by, my wife called her, and she got assistance, and I told them to break the door open; the door was fastened.

Has he been in custody ever since? - Yes.

Did he take anything? - I cannot say.

- HITCHCOCK sworn.

I am one of the constables of the night, I remember coming to the assistance of the prosecutor; I was called between twelve and one; I came to his shop in consequence of being sent for, it was the 20th of last month; I know the prisoner, we found him hid behind the water-tub in the shop, he has been in custody ever since; we tried to break the door open but could not, and the prosecutor sent his little boy to undo the door, and I took him to the watch-house, and he was committed; we searched but there was nothing about him.

PRISONER's DEFENCE.

I went into an old house for shelter, and

in the night the rain came upon me, and I found a hole, and I went in there; I have no friends at all; that gentleman sent me to prison before for an assault, and I had only come out of prison that day, and I had no where to go that night.

GUILTY , Death .

Tried by the first Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Justice NARES.

MARIA HAMILTON.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-4
VerdictGuilty > theft under 40s
SentenceTransportation

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913. MARIA HAMILTON was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 20th day of September last, one linen gown, value 21 s. nine yards and a half of linen trimming value 2 s. 3 d. one silk and cotton gown, value 6 s. one black stuff flounced petticoat, value 6 s. one apron, value 12 d. one black silk bonnet, value 12 d. and 9 s. 6 d. in monies numbered, the property of James Groves , in the dwelling house of Thomas Shaw .

JANE GROVES sworn.

I am wife of James Groves , the prisoner lodged in a house where I lived, in the house of Thomas Shaw ; I lost a new linen gown and a silk and cotton gown, this is the cuff of it, a black flounced petticoat, a new one, it cost me nine and six-pence, I had wore it about three hours, and four yards and a half of new trimming to trim the gown, it was linen trimming, and a black silk bonnet, the Manchester gown is silk and cotton; there was a white cloth apron with nine and six-pence tied up in the corner of it.

What was the value of these things? - The linen gown cost me thirty-six shillings, I never wore it but once, I paid four shillings for making it; the other gown is pawned for five or six shillings, the week before last; the trimming cost two shillings, the bonnet two shillings, and nine and six-pence in money; I never found any of the things again, any further than the prisoner said she had lost the bonnet.

How came that? - She told the constable she had lost it.

What is the name of the constable? - Edward Treadway ; I met the prisoner in Broad St. Giles's on the 20th of September, and I asked her how she did, she said, indeed Mrs. Groves I am very bad, I am just come out of gaol, I am in great distress; I asked her to drink something, she said, if you please; I had known her three months before, I took her into a publick house and bid her chuse her own liquor, and she chose a quartern of rum, I paid a great for it, I I gave her six-pence to get her some meat, and I called for a pot of porter, and when she came back, I said, Mary here is sixpence, I am sorry for your distress; she said, indeed I am, for this old bed-gown is my shift; then I gave her a shilling and took the six-pence, then I got up to come away and it began to rain, I said Mary if you have a mind to come home with me and have a good dish of tea it may refresh you after your trouble; she came home with me and sat on the foot of the bed, and I took and tied the nine and six-pence in the corner of my apron in a hard kno, she saw me do it; I went and unlocked my box where my clothes were, and I put my apron and my money in the box, and I shewed her the trimming; I said I had bought it for that gown, and pointed to the box; she said it would look very neat; after a little while I said I was very poorly with a pain in my side, I would lay down if she would make the tea, she said do my dear, she covered me up, and I believe I fell asleep, and I missed her and there was no fire, and I went to light a candle, and I was locked in.

What time was this? - About one in the day-time, I thought she was gone to buy an old gown, I was not surprised, I made my bed and swept my room out afterwards; I found my box stripped of every thing, I missed my bonnet, I opened my window and called out, and a neighbour made answer, if any body has robbed you it is that woman in the white wrapper, for I saw her come down in your bonnet and a great bulk under her petticoats, she stood under

the gateway and pressed it down then I begged that somebody would go to my landlady, and see if they could open the door, and they got the door open, and I pursued where she said the prisoner was gone, I looked every where for her, and about seven or eight I met her; says I, Mary what an ungenerous creature you are, to treat me in the manner you have done, she was a minute before she spoke, she took the pipe out of her mouth, and said, I was just going to send to you; says I, Oh! you ungenerous creature, was you a going to send me my clothes again, and my money, and where is the key of my room, she put her hand in her pocket and said d - n you here is your key; says I, I will not leave you till I know where my things are; she flung her pipe down in the street and said,

"by the Holy Ghost I will score you like pork, if you do not loose me," and she clinched her hands as if she had been going to strike me, but she did not: says I, I will forgive you the money if you will tell me where my things are, but if you do not I will fetch a constable; so then she downed on her knees in all the muck, and said,

"bad luck and a sudden death attend you Mother Groves, if you do not fetch a constable"; so then I did fetch a constable, or else I would not have troubled my head about her; nobody was in the room but her when I laid down.

When you found her had she any of your clothes on? - No, she had a very handsome gown on, which she had taken out of pawn that very afternoon.

How long did you sleep? - I cannot recollect, but it was more than an hour, it was about twelve when we came in together, and it was almost two when I awaked.

- DOUGLAS sworn.

I have a lower apartment; I was having some breakfast with the woman of the house with my children, and the prisoner came to the window and asked for the prosecutrrix, I told her I did not know such a person by name, with that she went away, this was about ten in the morning; she was gone about an hour and a half, when she and the prosecutrix returned together, and they went up stairs together, and she might be up stairs for an hour and half or an hour and three quarters, I cannot say which, along with this said Mrs. Groves; when she went up stairs she had neither hat, cloak, nor gown on, and when she came down she had the contents under her petticoats, a kind of bundle, and she stood under the gateway and was stroking down her hips, and the prosecutrix's bonnet was on her head, which I had seen on the prosecutrix before, I thought the prisoner was gone out of an erand, she seemed as if hesitating, and then she turned to the right hand towards St. Giles's; I afterwards told Mrs. Groves which way she went as soon as she made the alarm; I am sure to the prisoner.

Prisoner. Did not I come down again in two or three minutes and leave the house intirely? - Upon my oath she went up along with this said Mrs. Groves, and never came down with the contents till an hour and half, or an hour and three quarters; she came down also with the bonnet on her head.

Prisoner. Did you see a bundle with me? - Yes, I saw a bundle under your petticoats, and a bonnet on your head.

EDWARD TREADWAY sworn.

Mrs Groves came to Justice Walker's about seven, and told me she had been robbed of the things mentioned in the indictment, and she gave me the key of the room; I went with her into Diot Street, we went from one public house to another, at last I met her in the street, I said to her, you must go along with me; what do you want? says she, I took her into custody, she had a linen gown upon her, she said she fetched it out of pawn that day, she said she had lost the bonnet, she was very much in liquor, she could hardly stand; I went with the key to open the woman's room, I tried it, and it opened the lock.

PRISONER's DEFENCE.

I did go into that gentlewoman's room,

and she said I will lay in bed, and do you lock the door and come up towards the afternoon and let me out; I did lock the door and put the key in my pocket, and at the time I was to come to her, I met her and that man, I said I was just coming to let you out; the prosecutrix was very much in liquor; I have no more to say nor do in it, but the house she lives in there is nine or ten houses, one runs into another, and there is twenty bunches of keys to one house, I lodged in it. I have tried other keys, it is a great court, and all women of the town in it, there is not one honest person I believe in the court, I have no witnesses, for I did not think the woman would be so wicked to fetch me up.

GUILTY, Of stealing to the value of 39 s.

To be transported for seven Years .

Tried by the first Middlesex Jury before Mr. Justice NARES.

JOHN HENDERSON.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-5
VerdictGuilty > theft under 5s
SentenceTransportation

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914. JOHN HENDERSON was indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling house of Nathaniel Oliver , about the hour of four in the afternoon on the 10th day of October , no person being therein, and feloniously stealing therein, one silver teaspoon, value 2 s. one cloth apron, value 12 d. one linen shift, value 12 d. four children's shirts, value 18 d. one callico bedgown, value 9 d. one diaper napkin, value 8 d. ten children's caps, value 2 s. one muslin cap, value 3 d. one muslin handkerchief, value 6 d. two callico handkerchiefs, value 6 d. half a yard of linen cloth, value 12 d. a stone ring set in silver, value 2 s. a stone pin set in base metal, value 1 d. a necklace set in silver, and 80 glass beads to the same, value 2 s. the property of the said Nathaniel .

NALHANIEL OLIVER sworn.

I am a dyer , mine is a small house, in which myself, my wife and one child live; I went out in the afternoon, my wife having gone out before me, I made fast the door when I went out, I bolted the back-door and locked the fore-door, I had the keys in my pocket, I left nobody in the house, I returned in about an hour after, and I found a man in the house and my drawers were rifled, and when I returned my door was open.

Had you delivered your key to any body while you was absent? - No, I came back before my wife, I was at work just by, and I heard a noise, and I came to the back door, and there was the prisoner in the back room, I found him in the bed-room below stairs, I found nobody else.

What was he doing? - He was taking the things out of my drawers.

Had he in fact taken any thing out of the drawers? - Yes.

What? - Some children's shirts and shifts.

Where were they laying? - Some he had put in his bag, and some were laying in a chair; I asked him what business he had or what he wanted there, and he turned and said I will shoot you, and he put his hand into his pocket; I drew from him and he pushed by me, and I immediately followed him till I took him in the street he got out.

How far from your house had he got before you took him? - Nearly half a mile.

How came you to let him go so far? - I did not care to go too near him for fear he should shoot me, but more people came up then I mustered up courage, he ran and before I took him he threw something away, I followed him as close as I could within fifteen or twenty yards, he was not out of my sight in the course of my running.

Did you observe him throw something away? - Yes I did observe him throw something away, but what it was I could not tell; after I took him I went to the place where he threw something away, and there we found a pistol; when I took him he had one of my silver spoons in his pocket.

Had he any thing else? - Nothing else of my property; he had a box of gun-powder of his own.

What became of the bag you saw in the house? - It was left behind.

Who did the bag belong to? - To him.

It did not belong to you? - No.

After you had taken him did you examine that bag to see what was in it? - Yes, there were children's shirts, and shifts, and caps.

How many? - I did not count any of them, some things of mine were found in the bag and some were found in the chair.

After you had taken him did you examine the doors to see how he got in? - He broke open the back door, and took off the two bolts, the two bolts were laying down by the door on the inside.

Where does that back door open to? - Into a garden, I came to the back door.

How happened that? - I was down in the field at work near to the house, and I heard a noise, and it gave me a suspicion that somebody had broke in.

What became of the things that were in the bag, and that were in the chair? - The officer had them, his name is John Armstrong .

JOHN ARMSTRONG sworn.

The prosecutor gave me these things by order of the Magistrate.

EDMUND WADE sworn.

I produce the tea-spoon which I found in the prisoner's pocket, and a box of gunpowder.

(The tea-spoon deposed to by the prosecutor.)

Mrs. OLIVER sworn.

Court. Look over these things, that linen, and tell me whether you know any of them.

(The things deposed to.)

(The pistol produced, which was loaded with two balls.)

PRISONER's DEFENCE.

I was in great distress; I had not had a mouthful of victuals to eat; I had travelled from Bristol; I am a seafaring man; I have not a soul living in the world.

Court. You had better have sold your pistol and bought bread with that; how old are you? - About twenty-one.

GUILTY, Of stealing to the value of 4 s. 10 d.

Transported for seven years .

Tried by the first Middlesex Jury before Mr. Baron EYRE .

JOHN ISAAC.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-6
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation
SentenceDeath

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616. JOHN ISAAC was indicted for feloniously assaulting John Wallis on the King's high way, on the 11th of August last, and putting him in corporal fear and danger of his life, and feloniously taking from his person, and against his will, one rush basket, value 6 d. four live fowls, value 5 s. and one guinea, value 1 l. 1 s. and one half guinea, value 10 s. 6 d. and 10 s. in monies, numbered , the property of the said John Wallis .

JOHN WALLIS sworn.

I was robbed on the Edgeware road , on the eleventh of August, between seven and eight, it was light, I was in a single horse chaise, the person that robbed me was on foot, there were three in company, that stopped the chaise, I saw them about fifty yards before they met the chaise.

Had you any body in the chaise with you? - Yes, when they stopped me they demanded my money.

Who bid you stop? - I cannot say that, but I immediately gave my money.

Was you driving? - No.

Who was the person that was with you? - Edward Daniel , who is here; I lost a guinea, a half-guinea, and ten shillings, that I can swear to, they were taken out of my pocket, but not by this prisoner, and I lost a key and a note, I lost a basket of fowls; I cannot swear to the prisoner.

Were the other two taken? - Yes.

What became of them? - They were both convicted, I could not swear to any of them.

EDWARD DANIEL sworn.

I was with Mr. Wallis about a quarter before eight, I drove the chaise, I can only say the same that Mr. Wallis said; I perceived the men some distance, before they attacked us, I perceived the prisoner coming down the hill, he was the first of the three, I am sure of the prisoner, he was the only one of the three I had the opportunity of seeing; at the moment when they came opposite to my mare's head, the prisoner strove to catch hold of the reins of the chaise horse, I gave the mare a couple of strokes, and the prisoner gave me a stroke with the back part of the cutlass over my left arm, thinking, I suppose, I should drop the reins.

He did not wound you? - No; he did not; one of them came and robbed me while the prisoner robbed my friend; I am sure this is the man that robbed the prosecutor, Wallis, he held a pistol to his breast, and a cutlass.

Wallis. I saw a pistol and a cutlass, which took my attention more than the man a great deal.

Did you see any thing done with the cutlass? - No, I did not see him strike.

Mr. Keys, prisoner's Council. Did the man that robbed you go away immediately from the chaise, after he had robbed you? - Yes, he bid me turn my head about, which I very readily did; after he took the basket of fowls, I did not see him offer to strike any person; this transaction was a minute about, or two, three or five, I cannot say.

To Daniel. The prisoner was a perfect stranger to you before this transaction? - Yes.

How long do you imagine it was about? - I thing it was about five minutes; he was longer in robbing my friend, than the others were in robbing me; at the time we were about the bustle of the mare, I had as much view of him as I have of you now, and for a considerable way, he was coming down the hill, I had a particular view of him every way, I particularly observed him before he came.

Had you no terror on your mind at this time? - No, I had not, only when one of the prisoners threatened to shoot my dog, my attention was taken up with one more than the other; I knew all the three, and my friend knows them too, if he chuses to speak; the other two men were convicted on my evidence last sessions.

What are you? - I am a tea-dealer.

Where do you live? - In Southampton-street, Covent Garden; I was taken into a room, where the other men were, with twelve or thirteen, and I picked them out directly.

How long was it before you saw these prisoners again? - I suppose it was a month.

Mr. Keys prisoner's Council. If the prisoner struck at you, it must be across your friend? - Yes it was.

Yet your friend could not see that? - I do not wonder at that, he was a good deal terrified.

Court. Where did you see this man after the robbery? - At Litchfield-street, at the Rotation-office, he was taken up at Litchfield-street, and I was sent for.

Was he with other people at that time? - No, he was not.

When you gave evidence of the person of the prisoner, had you described the prisoner? - Yes.

How? - In black clothes.

How was he dressed when you saw him? - As he is now.

And was you sure he is the man? - Yes, I was clear he was the man.

How long have you lived in Southampton-street? - About sixteen years.

You have not a doubt about? - No, I have not indeed.

Mr. Keys. My Lord, the prisoner wished to have postponed his trial, on account of the absence of his witnesses, and I can only say, that if they had been here, they would have proved, that this young man's uncle is a man of reputation, and lives at Ealing; that the prisoner has been an officer, and since the peace he has been supported by his uncle, and bears a good character.

PRISONER's DEFENCE.

When I was brought to Litchfield-street, I was pointed out by Dixon and Blacketer, two men that belong to the office, to the

gentleman who was robbed; I heard one man in particular, make answer, and say, that is the man; any body might have been sworn to equally with me, I am innocent.

Court to Daniel. Was the prisoner pointed out to you as the man that robbed you, or did you yourself know him? - No, he was not pointed out, the prisoner was taken up on my information, and he told a long story before the Justice, that he was down at Folkston, from the first of August to the second of September; I had been there for some time.

GUILTY , Death .

Prosecutor. The Uncles have been with me, they are both men of credit, the one is master of the horse, and the other is first page to the Princess Amelia; they have given him a most excellent character; I wish the gentlemen of the Jury and my Lord to consider, and recommend him to mercy.

Tried by the first Middlesex Jury before Mr. Justice NARES.

WILLIAM MITCHELL.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-7
VerdictNot Guilty

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916. WILLIAM MITCHELL was indicted for that he, on the 23d day of August last, one piece of base coin resembling the current silver coin of this kingdom called a shilling, falsely and deceitfully, feloniously and traiterously, did colour with materials producing the colour of silver, against the statute .

A Second Count, For that he one round blank of base metal, of a fit size and figure to be coined into counterfeit milled money, called shillings, falsely did colour with materials producing the colour of silver, against the statute.

(The case opened by Mr. REEVES.)

JOHN DIXON sworn.

I am an officer belonging to Litchfield-street; I know the prisoner: I took him in custody on the twenty-third of August in Tottenham-court-road in the street; Johnson came to the office to me, and in consequence of his information to me, I took up the prisoner; I searched him, and in his waistcoat pocket I found this bottle and this bit of black mittin, with these seven shillings, and fourteen sixpences, all bad; they have been in my custody ever since, and three shillings and sixpence in good money, I found in his pocket.

Court. Was the money mixed or separate? - No, the bad money was all in that bit of black mittin, the bottle was broke before the Grand Jury, but that is the liquor that was in it; I was obliged to find another bottle, and I took him before the Justice; I have some shillings to shew the Court that this stuff will turn them of that colour.

Have you made the experiment yourself? - I have, but I have none of them here; I believe Mr. Vines has.

Mr. Peatt, prisoner's Council. These kind of blanks are used for other purposes I believe. - Very few in that state, they have heads.

Is there any impression on any of them? - Yes, on several, a faint impression.

Jury. Some has no impression, and some a faint impression.

Are not pieces of metal of that size, applied to various purposes? - Not in that state; a round blank with neither head or woman on it, you may make a button of it.

Would you have taken any one of them as a shilling? - In the state I saw them in, they were finished fit to pass; I should not have taken any of them, but any other person would.

That you cannot tell.

WILLIAM BLACKETER sworn.

I know the prisoner, I was with Dixon, when he was taken into custody, and I was present when the shillings that has been produced in Court were found upon him, and the bottle of stuff.

Mr. Peatt. Do you know anything of the nature of that stuff in the bottle? - No.

Have you at any time seen men stand at the corner of the streets, with stuff rubbing buckles and buttons, to make them look like silver? - I have heard of such things but I never saw them.

Did that never fall within your notice? never.

WALTER JOHNSON sworn.

I know the prisoner, I saw him with one Charles Ford , about the 18th or 19th of August the prisoner asked me to go home with him, I went home with him.

Court. What, was he an acquaintance of your? - Not in the least, but I found by being in company with Ford, that he dealt in base money, I went home with him, and called for a pint of beer, he took a bason of the shelf, and there was some pieces about the size of half crowns or crowns, I looked upon them to be copper; after that he told me that he could cast any of them, I immediately went to Litchfield-street, and acquainted Blacketer of what had passed, and he desired me to watch the prisoner; the next day my business led me to go over London Bridge, and I met the prisoner and asked him how he did, he pulled out a bottle out of his pocket, I thought it had been a sample of rum, I smelt of it and I found it was aquafortis, besides that he pulled out of his waistcoat pocket, something similar to paste, similar to that which is in Court, which he said was for cleaning of metal, then I left them, and called at Litchfield-street and acquainted them; two or three days past, and I called again on the prisoner on a Tuesday morning about seven the 23d of August, I was going to see Ford, he asked me for a bottle that stood on the shelf, which he took, he was in his own house, he was in bed, No. 7, White Lion-street, I took it to be something of bark, then he desired me to reach him another bottle, which I did, and when he got up he took off the shelf a black purse which is in Court (looks at it) this is the very purse, it had something in it that jingled I could not tell what it was, I went with him to Ford's, and Ford was not up, I knocked at the window and Ford got up and let him in, I kept on the outside, he asked Ford to give him a little salt, I leaned and lolloped on the outside of the window, there was no glaze to the window, only shutters; the prisoner asked Ford to give him some salt, after that he pulled the bottle out of his pocket, and began to rub some off it with the salt, with some of the metal which he had, which were of the size of sixpences and shillings, he rubbed seven pieces resembling a shilling, and thirteen sixpences, one sixpence I did not see him do (which is the sixpence which lays at the corner) after he had done them, he put him into cold water in a bason, I went immediately to find Blacketer, I could not find him.

Did you observe what effect the rubbing of them had? - It appeared to make them look like shillings and sixpences.

Before or after they went into the water? - Before they went into the water.

What colour were they before they were rubbed? - Something similar to copper, when he washed them he put them into the very same purse, I then went to Dixon and told him what happened, and where he might find the prisoner.

Mr. Peatt. How soon was it that you saw what you took to be the pieces that you say he rubbed in that manner, or something similar to them, again? - He rubbed them about a quarter after seven, I saw them directly after, the next day when the prisoner was examined, I went to Mr. Vernon.

Then you do not know that they were the same pieces that you saw him do? - I really believe them to be the same, there is one shilling that has got a little bit of a hole or dent, that is it to the best of my knowledge.

Pray, Mr. Johnson, has it ever fell within your observation that people stand in the street with paste resembling the colour of this, and rub buckles or buttons? - Such things might be in the street, but I never took notice of it, I have read in the paper of these things for cleaning of silver.

Court. What way of life are you in? - I am at home with my friends, my mother is in the fan way, lives in Somerset-street, Portland-square.

Are you bred to any business? - I never was.

What age? - Twenty-nine, my father once lived at No. 61. Friday-street, he is reduced.

This man was not your acquaintance? - No, he was not, Ford was my acquaintance, I was under a predicament for an assault in New Prison, which was the way I got acquainted with Ford, I was a prisoner there for an assault.

You met this man first at the Hampshire Hog, with Ford? - Yes, it is opposite St. Giles's church.

What was your business there? - I called to see Ford being a prisoner.

What business had this prisoner with Ford, could you discover by the conversation between them? - I found that they had been to Peckham-fair the day before, putting off bad money, and they were eating some salmon, and I eat some with them.

Can you explain to the Jury what led to that? - I cannot.

What is Ford? - He is a duffer.

Because it seems a little extraordinary, that the prisoner should choose to put his life into the hands of an absolute stranger, you know Mr. Johnson? - I never saw the man before that time in my life.

Did you give him any encouragement to help him with respect to this money to pass it off? - No, my Lord, far be it from me.

Then, what was it that introduced you so far in the confidence of this man? - I thought it was my duty, or any other person's else, to have such a man apprehended.

I am not blaming you for discovering what past, but what I want to know is, what it could be that induced this man to put so much confidence in you? - I cannot tell, my Lord.

Do explain to the Jury how it happened that this man trusted you with such a secret as this? - I look upon it, knowing I had been in prison with Ford.

But he had no reason, I imagine, to suppose you dealt in that way? - I never did in my life.

But did he suppose so? - Being in prison nobody can tell what situation of life I had been in when I came out; I cannot tell rightly what made him repose so much confidence.

Rightly, can you at all? - No, I cannot.

Dixon. When Johnson applied to me I desired him to get some of it if he could.

Mr. Peatt. By your Lordship's permission, I beg leave to observe, this evidence does not sustain the indictment; as to the first count, it appears to me, that in the whole code of laws respecting the coinage of this kingdom, wherever counterfeiting of coin is mentioned, it must be so, that in the common course of receipts and payments of money, it might deceive a common observer; it is not merely the circumstance of money resembling in size, in diameter, and colour, that is such a resemblance as will reach the indictment, under the acts of parliament on this subject: there are various pieces of metal that are coloured for various purposes, that do, in some sort, resemble the current coin of the kingdom, both in size and colour, and yet have not that kind of resemblance to induce any reasonable person to take them. I conceive they must have some traces on the edges, or some traces of the inscription, or something of that kind of resemblance, that would induce people of common experience and of common observation to take them by themselves: with respect to the second count, I think there arises an objection to it from the very nature of the crime, as described in the act of parliament; it says, in a more general way, pieces of metal that only resembled in figure, pieces of base metal that are coloured for that purpose, so far as to resemble the colour of shillings; the evidence does not state that this money was the money that Johnson saw the prisoner colour, but if it did, it is within the eye of the Court and Jury, that they do not so far resemble the colour of shillings, so as to be taken by any

person of common prudence or observation; I thought it my duty to submit these observations to your Lordship's consideration.

Court. They are observations that go to the matter of fact.

Mr. Peatt. In the very last Sessions there was a trial of the very same nature, where the pieces did not more resemble the current coin of the kingdom than these, and the prisoner was acquitted.

RICHARD FRANKLIN sworn.

I am one of the moniers at the Mint; this money was not made at the Tower.

Can you judge by your eye, and without an assay, what the metal is, Sir? - No, my Lord.

Can you say by your eye whether it is silver or not? - I cannot say.

Court to Prisoner. What account do you give the Jury of it?

Prisoner. I must leave it to the Jury; my wife and myself took them in trade, every one of them; my wife keeps a green shop.

What is your business? - I used to sell goods; I received five shillings and sixpence of it myself in trade.

Goods, of what sort? - Hardware.

What do you say of that bottle? - I was acquainted with this Ford; I saw him in Clerkenwell; I went to see him, and this Johnson was drawing beer at the same time, and Ford was shewing a bad shilling, I said, Sir, I have a great many of them at home, and it is a great loss to me; says he, I will give you a bottle of stuff to rub them over; and in about a couple of months I met Ford and Johnson at the Hampshire Hog; then I believe I shewed them two or three of the shillings, and some pocket pieces in another cup; I have the pocket pieces to produce, which he says are half crowns; then we were talking about notes; I said I was no scholar, and Ford had a bad note about him when he took me that Johnson had given him: Ford was to take these fourteen shillings from me, and to allow me something for them, and to make the best of them; I have a very good character in the town.

The witnesses were called, but none answered

NOT GUILTY .

Tried by the first Middlesex Jury before Mr. Baron EYRE .

JEREMIAH SHEPHERD, JOHN ARNOLD.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-8
VerdictGuilty
SentenceTransportation

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917. JEREMIAH SHEPHERD and JOHN ARNOLD were indicted for feloniously stealing, on the 5th day of January last, fifty pounds weight of feathers, value 60 s. a bed-tick, value 18 s. a bolster-case, value 4 s. a pillow-case, value 2 s. a bed quilt, value 30 s. a blanket, value 8 s. a looking glass, value 5 s. a brass fender, value 1 s. four curtains, value 20 s. a window curtain, value 7 s. six bed valances, value 15 s. a cotton head-piece, value 5 s. a tea chest, value 5 s. a tea board, value 4 s. a feather bed, value 50 s. a bolster, value 5 s. a carpet, value 30 s. a card table, value 20 s. a tea board, value 3 s. three mahogany boards, value 6 s. three pieces of mahogany, value 3 s. the property of Thomas Rumball .

THOMAS RUMBALL sworn.

I live in the Minories , I am a cabinet-maker and upholsterer ; I lost my things, the prisoners were lately my servants , and whilst they lived with me I did not miss these things, one lived with me about two years, and the other about three; one left me about six months ago, that was Shepherd, and John Arnold about nine months ago; on receiving an information from one Atkinson, I went to the prisoner Arnold, who I found in Spitalfields, where he lived, and kept a greenstall; he lived at another place, there I saw him, and I took him to the public house, and I enquired of him how he came by some chair stuff that he gave to Edward Atkinson to make into chairs; he said he bought it of a man that had the appearance of a countryman, a chair-maker, and that he was very ill, and

was advised by his doctor to go into the country, and could not stay to make up the chairs, in consequence of which he offered it to him who then kept a broker's shop; I asked him where this chair-maker lived; he said he did not know; where is he gone to? why, to Lincolnshire; but did not know what inn he set off from; I immediately came to Jeremiah Shepherd , who then lived with a distiller; for they had left off partnership; when they left me they went into partnership together in a broker's shop; he was not at home, he came in, in about ten minutes with Atkinson; I asked him how he came by this chair stuff, which I said I knew to be mine; he said he bought it of a countryman, as the other did; I asked him where he sold these chairs when made up; he said to Mr. Samuel, a broker in Moorfields, for two guineas and an half, Arnold said he sold them for three guineas and an half, to a gentleman that came by promiscuously, and that the gentleman had his own porter, and took them away immediately; there their evidence differed, from whence I concluded that they were both rogues, and I took them before the Justice; while Shepherd was going to the Justice, he confessed to the runner, that if I went to Arnold's house, I should there find a feather bed, and sundry articles of my property; we went there, and the officer asked him whose bed it was, and I said whose bed is this John? why, says he, I perceive Jeremiah Shepherd has turned my for, and therefore I will confess the whole; it is yours, and that bed furniture is yours, and I hope you will pardon me, for I was drawn in: we found at Arnold's, a bed, bed tick and bolster case, and pillow case filled with feathers, a superfine quilt, a ten quarter blanket, a sender, a checque bed furniture, consisting of sundry pieces, which I believe are mentioned in the indictment; a tea chest and a tea board, they were all that I found at Arnold's, which I took to my own house.

Were all these things acknowledged by Arnold to be yours? - All, except the tea board and the tea chest.

What did he say about them? - They escaped our notice at the time; when they were brought before the Justice, the Justice asked them, if they had stolen any other goods; Shepherd said, there was a card table, and some other things: the Justice asked him who helped to carry away those things? he said, one Ford a porter: on the second hearing, this Ford was brought before Mr. Justice Staples, and was enquired of by the Justice what things he had assisted in carrying away; the prisoners were there, and he mentioned that he had carried away a table, and sundry feathers, and a feather bed, and some pieces of Tekoa wood, which were tied up at my warehouse, I found the caddy that they mentioned, and I found a bolster, two pillows, and three blankets, the carpet and table, a coffee pot and tea board, these were all my property, except the coffee pot.

EDWARD ATKINSON sworn.

I am a chair-maker, I worked up some stuff for the prisoners, I believe it to be Mr. Rumball's wood, but I cannot swear to it, I told Mr. Rumball of it, when these men were taken up, I went with him to Shepherd, I heard Shepherd say, he took six of the backs of the chairs, and all the rest of the stuff, and that Arnold was privy to it; I went with Mr. Rumball to Arnold's.

THOMAS STOKES sworn.

I am an apprentice to the prosecutor; I saw Shepherd take two pillow cases out of the dwelling house of my master; he said he wanted them for his own use, and a bit of mahogany, two or three bits of Tekoa wood, and a pillow case with feathers in it.

All at one time? - At different times.

How old are you? - Sixteen.

When did you first tell your master of this affair? - After it was found out.

Court. It is a bad beginning, young man, you are very young, take care and do not connive at any such thing again.

ANN READ sworn.

I live at No. 3, Cox's court, Aldersgate street, I lodged at Mrs. Faulkner's, No. 16, opposite the White Raven; a Mrs. Bolton came there, and gave me to understand a young man, which was Shepherd, lodged in her house, and had a bed and bedstead to sell; I went to look at it in King-street, Mile-end new town, we saw it, four pounds fifteen shillings was the price; there was a bedstead, bolster, two pillows, and three blankets, the tick was very old, I was no judge of the price; I bought it of Shepherd, and he brought it me over; he said he had some more things that he was obliged to pledge, accordingly he brought me a carpet one guinea and a half, a card table, 23 s. a tea tray, 4 s. a coffee pot, 2 s. which I also purchased on the 19th of September; I removed with my furniture, and on the 25th, my friend came to inform me there was a search warrant after the things, that they were stolen; the prosecutor came and looked at them, and bid me not make myself uneasy, for I had bought them at a fair price; they were fetched from me by order of the Justice; and I hope you will take it into your consideration, and let me have them again.

PRISONER SHEPHERD's DEFENCE.

Arnold and I kept a broker's shop, about six months, and we lent a man some money, about twenty guineas that we had saved, and he ran away with it, and the goods we had by us we parted; he took his, and I took mine; I was out of place a good while, and I parted with all my things, and I sold my goods to this lady.

How came you by those goods? - We were buying and selling goods every day, as other brokers are.

How came you to tell that some of Mr. Rumball's things would be found at Arnold's? - If I said that, it is more than I know; I have no friend.

PRISONER ARNOLD's DEFENCE.

We were in the brokers way, we bought goods at different times? - I know nothing of these goods, he brought them to my house when we commenced partnership; Mr. Rumbold came in, and said, these goods are mine, and Jeremiah Shepherd , your friend as you think, has turned your foe, and has tried to hang you; whereas when I came to the Justice the prisoner told me secretly, that Rumball had promised me lenity on previously confessing these things which he did, I work very hard for my living, and do not live by thieving: we thought our trial would not come on till tomorrow morning, then we should have had plenty of respectable housekeepers to speak for us, and counsel to plead for us.

JEREMIAH SHEPHERD , JOHN ARNOLD ,

GUILTY .

Each transported for seven years .

Tried by the first Middlesex Jury before Mr. Baron EYRE .

MICHAEL SMITH.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-9
VerdictGuilty
SentenceDeath

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918. MICHAEL SMITH was indicted for burglariously and feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling house of Hester, Ann and Elizabeth Blackhall , about the hour of two in the night, on the 17th of September last, and burglariously stealing therein, two silver table spoons, value 14 s. one quart of rum, value 2 s. a quart of red wine, value 18 d. and two quart bottles, value 3 d. their property .

HESTER BLACKHALL sworn.

I live at Bromley, near Bow , my sister Elizabeth and Ann are all three connected in the house, our house was broke open on Saturday the 17th of September, we went to bed about eleven, the servant fastened the doors, I saw them all fastened, and the windows were all fastened; we did not perceive it till the maid went down in the morning, the lock of the wine cellar door, which is in the kitchen, was broke open, they took down the door case from the back kitchen and in.

Was that done in the night time? - Yes, there was a bottle of rum gone, and some red-port, and a bottle of brandy, and two table spoons that were in the kitchen, the table spoons were taken on the prisoner at a pawnbroker's.

CHARLES FOX sworn.

I produce two table spoons, they are in the state I received them from the Justice' (Deposed to.) I lodge at Mr. Broughton's, I was accidentally at the door of the pawnbrokers, and the prisoner at the bar brought these spoons, I am sure that is the man, he brought them for sale, they stopped the spoons, and told the prisoner to go about his business, and he would not go, the prosecutor's servant was at the shop at the same time, he was not gone out, and we took him into custody.

MARY DENT sworn.

I am servant to the three sisters, they keep the house themselves, I came down at six in the morning, my fellow servant fastened the doors, I took off the shutters of the glass doors, I saw some bars laying in the yard, and I did not know what it was, and I went down into the kitchen; it was just light when I came down, I heard no noise in the night, I went up stairs to fetch my fellow servant down, and we went into the kitchen, and saw the wine cellar broke open, the table spoons were left in the kitchen with some dirty plates, I did not wash them, and they were there at night.

Were they gone in the morning? - Yes, Sir, there were two chairs stood, one was nigh the table, and the other was not, they had written something on the table, they had burnt a large candle almost out, they sat down some hours and drank the liquor, there was a candle in the back kitchen, but I am sure it was not in the back kitchen when we went to bed.

(The spoons deposed to.)

JANE JOHNSON sworn.

I live with these ladies, and Mary Dent , she got up first in the morning, and then she came and called me, I saw the cellar door broke open, and the back door that goes into the yard; I was at the pawnbrokers, when the prisoner came in there with the spoons, I knew him before, he worked at our house, carpenter's work, I claimed them as my mistress's, I asked him how he came by them, he told me he bought them, but he could not tell where, the robbery was on the Saturday night, and this was Sunday afternoon, between five and six that he came to offer them.

PRISONER's DEFENCE.

I am not guilty, I was out on Saturday night, and got a little liquor, in coming home, I met two men, and I bought two spoons of them.

GUILTY , Death .

Tried by the first Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Justice NARES.

JUDITH READING.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-10
VerdictGuilty > lesser offence
SentenceCorporal > private whipping; Imprisonment > hard labour

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918. JUDITH READING was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 7th day of October , sixteen yards of printed cotton, value 21 s. the property of William Hunsdan , privily in his shop .

WILLIAM HUNSDAN sworn.

I know the prisoner by coming to my shop; I live in Ship Alley, Well-close-Square ; I am a linen-draper ; on the 7th of this month she came to my shop between twelve and one, a man came in along with her, she came behind him; a man came and asked for some stockings, I was serving the next witness with some table cloths at the same time; in the interim she made several signs to me that the prisoner had some of my property under her cloths; I saw the prisoner have something under her cloak, I did not know it was my property, nor I did not understand what this gentlewoman meant by it; the prisoner asked the gentlewoman to go and drink a pint of beer with her; she dropt the linen down in the shop, and this gentlewoman picked it up.

What was it? - Furniture cotton.

What quantity? - Sixteen yards.

MARY HALFWRIGHT sworn.

I did not see the good woman take any thing, but I saw something under her cloak.

What was it you saw under her cloak? - A piece of linen.

You did not see her take it? - No.

Did you see her drop it? - No, I saw a sailor pick it up.

Are you sure that which waken up was what you saw under her cloak? - Yes.

Was any body on the same of the compter she was when it was dropped? - The sailor and the man that was with her; he was on that side too.

Was it taken up immediately? - I cannot say.

What time do you think there might be between the time it was dropped taken up? - About two or three minutes, I missed the piece off the counter; there are two pieces laid on the counter, and of them was gone.

Did you see that piece under cloak that was missing? - I believe it was.

But are you sure? - No, it appeared under her cloak.

How came the prosecutor not it? - I do not know.

Court to Prosecutor. Did you the piece off the compter? - No; I busy; the man stood at the compter.

Are you sure that was one of the pieces that lay on your compter? - Yes; was just brought in; I had just two

pieces of it; I knew it immediately; this is the piece.

Court to the Woman. You cannot swear that that is the piece you saw under her cloak? - No my Lord.

PRISONER's DEFENCE.

I came into that place to buy a yard and three quarters for a bedgown; I stood by this gentleman here behind him; I had this handkerchief tied up and three quarters of a ya and the forebody of a gown and a two-penny loaf, so I took this stuff out to see I could match it, and I put it so under arm before this good woman; one of the sailors came behind me and gave me a and asked me if I would give him any beer there was a piece of cotton on the ground; this gentlewoman took it up direct, and came and challenged me with this piece of cloth; I left mine at home.

THOMAS TAYLOR sworn.

the 7th of October I was fetched to take charge of the prisoner; I took her up to a watch-house and searched her; she had about twelve shillings and six pence in silv, and about six shillings in half-pence, and piece of green stuff for a gown, about a d, and they would give charge of a sail who was with her, and told the prosecor that he picked it up.

Prosecutor. When the sailor picked up the cotton, he made a great noise in her prnce, and said she should be committed, heould commit her himself, that was said iner presence.

Prisoner. The sailor said himself the pi of cloth lay there before I came into the house.

Prosecutor. I am sure that was not the

THOMAS CUNNINGHAM sworn.

Court. Let me give you a little caution what you swear. Remember now you upon your oath; take care all you say true. - I went to the shop and asked for pair of stockings of the gentlewoman of a shop, and she told me she had none, and when I went in I saw this piece on the ground, and this woman afterwards came in; the prisoner came in after me; I was in the shop before she came in.

You are sure the piece was on the ground? - Yes my Lord; there are two more witnesses at the door now.

Was you there when the constable and they were altogether? - Yes, I was.

Who was there besides the constable and you? - There was a gentlewoman and two sailors.

Are the two sailors here? - I cannot say, the gentlewoman of the shop was there also.

Perhaps you did not hear any thing of her being angry about the sailor telling she took the things? - No.

Did you insist upon it then, and tell the constable and the prosecutor? - I gave charge of the sailor to Mr. Taylor.

Wa s the sailor in the shop before you came? - Yes; he just came in.

Prosecutor. The sailor did not go to that part where the furniture was.

Court to Cunningham. You are sure this was on the ground when you came into the shop? - Yes.

Court to Prosecutor. Did any other man come into the shop but that man for the stockings? - No.

MARY DONNAHO sworn.

Court. Let me give you a caution to take care what you say; remember you are upon your oath. - The very same day I was coming along; I live on the otherside the water; I was not in the shop; I was going to the same house to buy a shirt, and the young man that is here was along with me; he asked me to go to that shop to buy another shirt for him; I had bought one before there for him; after I came to the door he asked me to buy as much cotton as would make a shirt for him; I told him there was no cotton, I had asked for some once before, I was obliged to buy ready made shirts, I bought a ready made shirt for seven shillings, striped linen; then we stood and I told them we could buy one of these very cheap; after we stood at the door, we did not go in,

I saw the woman do no harm; I saw the woman go in, and when she went in she had something in her handkerchief; I saw something on the floor, as I really think now, it was something red or something red and white, and she had something in her hand, which she had in her handkerchief.

You did not go into the shop, nor you did not follow her? - I cannot tell, I cannot swear I saw something on the floor red and white, but I did not see any body take any thing up; this woman went into the shop, I saw her going into the shop.

Did not you stand at the door? - I would have gone into the shop only the young man did not like to buy the cotton.

How could you see what was there, you do not know what it was you saw laying? - I cannot tell.

Court to Prosecutor. Do you remember this woman being there? - No, I never saw the woman before in the shop.

Court to Halfwright. Did the woman give you a hint to drink part of a pint of beer, after you had given a hint about the the linen? - Yes; I saw the woman come in and the two men; I am sure the linen lay on the compter at that time; it lay to the right hand.

Court to Prosecutor. Did that man buy any stockings? - No, he did not.

GUILTY Of stealing, but not privately .

To be privately whipt , and confined to hard labour twelve months in the House of Correction .

Tried by the first Middlesex Jury before Mr. Justice NARES.

JOHN DAVIS.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-11
VerdictGuilty
SentenceDeath

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919. JOHN DAVIS was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 16th day of September last, one gelding, price 10 l. the property of William Mansell , Esq.

WILLIAM MANSELL , Esq. sworn.

On the 2d of September I missed my gelding from Woods end , where there was an encampment during the summer; I suppose it was stole in the night, between the first and second; he was taken out of the stable; it was a grey gelding about ten years old; I had it about a fortnight, I found it again on Saturday morning when I was relieved from guard at Wandsor I found the gelding at Sir Sampson's Office; I do not recollect the day.

How long after the loss? - About week.

Do you of your own knowledge know any thing of the person that stole the gelding? - No, only that I found the prisoner and the gelding at the office.

JOHN SHALLARD sworn.

On the 15th of September, I took the prisoner at a place called Hoddesdo, in Herts, and I brought him to Bow-street, and there he confessed where the gelding was left, in consequence of that I fetched it.

Where did he say the gelding was - At Bow, in Middlesex.

At whose house? - At Mr. Web's, the sign of the plough, he could not rightly tell me the house, but I traced it and found it there.

- WEBB sworn.

I keep the Plough, at Bow.

How came this gelding there? - The prisoner brought it the 4th of September, it was found at my house the 15th, had taken out an advertisement to have it advertised, which was to be put into the paper the day after; he brought it to me th three shoes on, and ordered me to g it shod, which I did; he brought it a Sunday, and wanted to have it shod at day, I told him I could not, he we to Bow, to get it done there, but could? I saw him on the horse, he was alone n I saw him, he came back again and d at my house all day on Sunday night, d Monday morning till near nine o'clock night, and went away without saying a thing to anybody belonging to the ho I got the horse shod according to his

ders, I saw no more of him till I saw him at the office.

PRISONER's DEFENCE.

I know nothing about the horse.

What are you? - I am a hair-dresser, I was apprentice in King-street, St. James's, I am lately come from Paris, I have friends but most of them are in the country, except one Mrs. Patridge, who is here.

(Called but did not answer.)

Court to Mr. Mansel. Did you know anything of this man? - He is a soldier in the twenty second regiment, which I belong to, I cannot rightly tell how long he has been in the regiment, I think about three years.

GUILTY , Death .

Tried by the second Middlesex Jury before Mr. Baron EYRE .

WILLIAM POWLEY.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-12
VerdictGuilty > with recommendation
SentenceDeath

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920. WILLIAM POWLEY was indicted for feloniously stealing, on the 16th of October , one black gelding, price 5 l. the property of William Otteridge .

WILLIAM OTTERIDGE sworn.

I live in Short's Gardens, near Long Acre; on last Sunday evening I lost a horse, which was at grass at Finchley , where I have a farm, I saw him about half after five in the afternoon; he was missed on Monday morning about seven; my man missed him; I came to town, and heard of him on the Monday morning at the Blue Anchor, in Saint John-street; I never saw the prisoner before; the horse was mine; he was a black horse, with two white feet behind, and a long tail; I am quite sure he was my horse; I have had him near seven years.

JAMES CHARLES sworn.

I am one of the patrol; I mistrusted the prisoner; I thought the horse too good to be his; I asked him where he was going with that horse; the first word he answered me was, he was going to the horseboiler's, I told him I thought it was too good a horse for that, and that he did not come honestly by him, and then he said he was going to the Bull Inn in Bishopsgate-street; then I called one of my men to my assistance, and I walked down by the side of the man, and he told me where he had the horse from, he said he took him out of the field near the Green Man upon Finchley Common, and he had this string on his head.

Did you make him any promise, if he would tell you the truth? - No, my Lord, I am sure of that; I was present when the prosecutor owned the horse; it was the same horse that I found upon the prisoner.

SAMUEL COX sworn.

I know no more than being stationed as a patrol, and my fellow servant, Charles, called me to his assistance, and when I came there was a black gelding, and this lad with him, and we went with this lad and the horse to the Blue Anchor; I asked the lad how he could do such a thing, and he said he meant to take him to his own country to sell him, and buy him some clothes to get him a place; I was present when Otteridge saw the horse; it was the same horse that was taken on the prisoner.

Court to Prosecutor. These men were present when you looked at the horse? - Yes.

Prisoner. I have nothing to say.

Have you any witnesses? - No.

GUILTY , Death .

Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor and Jury.

Tried by the first Middlesex Jury before Mr. RECORDER.

WILLIAM SHERGOLD, EDWARD PRESTON.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-13
VerdictGuilty
SentenceDeath

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921. WILLIAM SHERGOLD and EDWARD PRESTON were indicted for feloniously assaulting George Haines on the King's highway on the 18th of September last, and putting him in corporal fear and danger of his life, and feloniously taking from his person and against his will, one cloth jacket, value 4 s. his property .

GEORGE HAINES sworn.

I have been out of place about a fortnight; I went into a public house in Russell-street to have a pint of beer, and I saw the prisoner Shergold; I never saw him before in my life, and he said, Jack, how do you do, and he asked me to lend him a shilling, but I told him I had only eighteen-pence, and he put his hand on the outside of my pocket, and said, here is money, and I told him I would tell him the truth, I had three shillings, and in half-pence I had about three shillings and six-pence then; I lent him a shilling, as he asked me; and in a little time he came to me, and said, I wish you would lend me another shilling, and I lent him another shilling, and in about ten minutes after that he came up to me, and told me he was going to take a room at three shillings a week; and that I should not want for a lodging, or any thing else, and that he was going to receive five thousand pounds in a little time, and I should not want, if I would lend him another shilling; when he had the three shillings, and had drank the beer that he had, he asked me if I would come to Mr. Lewis's with a boy's father and mother that were there, and he said, we could have a pot of beer; I went with him, and we had a pot of beer; when that was drank the prisoner went away, and came again, and his acquaintance that was with him; soon after they came in again, and I staid a little while then; I went away, and on Saturday I saw them again, and staid a little while with them; then I went away, and saw no more of them till Sunday; then I met the prisoner Shergold, and he asked me to go to Mr. Lewis's, and we went into the Long Fields; I saw him again about seven, and the other prisoner was with him then, and I told them I lived with Mr. Combes, Bishop's Court, Lincoln's Inn, and we went that way, and he took me to the back of Lincoln's Inn Gardens, and he bid me go to my master's public house, and order a pot of beer, and change for half a crown, and meet the boy, and send him for another pot; then he asked me if I could take up any money or bacon, or beef, in my master's name; then, says he, could not you steal any thing of a gold watch, or any thing of that kind, I said I would not; then the prisoner Preston said, you bloody b - r, if you will not, you shall strip, or I will cut your bloody melt out; then Shergold laid hold on me, and he could not well manage me, then Preston pulled me, but I was so frightened, I let them pull it off without any more; while I was pulling my jacket off, another that was with the prisoners snatched my hat off; I snatched it back, and they all three made off; I then went to Bow-street to give information.

What are you? - I was errand boy to Mr. Combes; I lived there about half a year; I left my place because I could not wait at table well enough; I am about fiftteen; I never saw Shergold before that time at the public house.

How came you to lend him money? - Because he told me he would pay me again, and he had five thousand coming to him, though he was in distress.

Did you think there was any likelihood that such a fellow as him should have five thousand pounds? - I did not know what there was; I did not know he was a thief.

Where is this Lewis's house that they took you to? - In Red-lion-court, in Russel-court.

What is this Mr. Lewis? - I believe he is a very honest man; he blacks shoes; I only knew the name of one of the prisoners at that time, that was Shergold, I never saw the other before that Sunday night, but I am sure he is the same person; I knew him by sight as well as I know Shergold; I am quite sure of both of them.

Prisoner. Is not the shirt he has on mine? - This is not it, for I took off the shirt that he lent me, and it is now washing; he had one of my shirts, which cost

me six shillings, and he pawned it for three shillings, but I never had a farthing of the money; he lent me his shirt to put on as I had no other.

JOHN SHALLARD sworn.

The prosecutor came to Bishopsgate-street, and gave information that he had been robbed by one Shergold, I knew him very well, and I was after him all day, and I found him at night at Drury-lane Play-house door; the prosecutor told me the same story he has you; I did not take the other prisoner.

JAMES BAYES sworn.

I am one of the patrol belonging to Saint Giles's and Bedford-square, I took the prisoner Preston at two o'clock in the morning; the prosecutor was standing in his shirt at the door of a lodging house in Dvot-street, and he said, that the man that had robbed him of his jacket was gone up stairs, I went up, and took him out of bed; as we were taking Preston to the Justices he said, going along, if the prosecutor would but forgive him he would give him the coat off his back; I said to Preston, you had better tell us what you have done with the lad's clothes; with that persuading him, he told us where the things were; I found the jacket in the house of a man named Palmer, who bought the jacket; he is here.

BENJAMIN PALMER sworn.

I had this jacket of the prisoner Preston; on Sunday about nine o'clock, he asked me to lend him a little money upon it, as he was distressed, and could not pay his lodgings, I said to him, I do not lend any such thing, nor buy on Sunday nights, I said you have stole it, he said, no, it is my own property, but I would not lend him anything upon it, and away he went, and in two or three minutes after he came back and I told him I would give him eighteen-pence for it, and he took the eighteen-pence, and went away.

Are you sure he is the person? - I really believe, to the best of my knowledge, he was the person that brought it; I never saw him before, but he is the same man that came the next day.

Have you any doubt that it is him? - I have not.

Was anybody with him when he produced the jacket? - Nobody.

What are you? - I keep a chandler's shop, and a pawnbroker's, I did do, but I have laid that by; I buy and sell old clothes in Bambridge-street, Saint Giles's.

What would you sell that jacket for? - I offered to sell it the next day for two shillings, and I was bid one shilling; it is worth to the wearer two shillings or half a crown.

Bayes. It is worth about three or four shillings to the wearer.

PRISONER PRESTON's DEFENCE.

I am not the lad that sold the jacket, and at Bow-street that man said it was a man taller than I.

PRISONER SHERGOLD's DEFENCE.

We went to Bishop's Court, the prosecutor took us there to rob his master, and he stripped off his jacket and his hat, and gave the jacket to this lad, who went and pawned it for eighteen-pence; Preston did not pawn it.

Court to Prosecutor. What became of your shirt that Shergold had? - I never saw it since.

Which was the best shirt? - Mine cost six shillings, and his would not pawn for anything.

WILLIAM SHERGOLD , EDWARD PRESTON ,

GUILTY Death .

Tried by the first Middlesex Jury before Mr. RECORDER.

GEORGE MANNING, WILLIAM NICHOLSON, MARGARET CADWELL.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-14
VerdictGuilty; Not Guilty
SentenceDeath

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922. GEORGE MANNING , alias FRANCIS HILL , WILLIAM NICHOLSON , and MARGARET CADWELL , were indicted for burglariously

and feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling house of William Rose , about the hour of eight in the night, on the 28th day of September last, and burglariously stealing therein, four linen frocks, value 7 s. a linen shift, value 2 s. a looking glass, value 2 s. one sheet, value 2 s. three aprons, value 8 s. one linen gown, value 4 s. two stuff petticoats, value 16 s. three shirts, value 15 s. a pair of stays, value 20 s. a silk cloak, value 10 s. a silk handkerchief, value 2 s. two linen handkerchiefs, value 18 d. three stocks, value 18 d. and one linen tablecloth, value 4 s. the property of the said William Rose .

William Kendrick , an accomplice, ordered out of Court by Mr. Garrow.

WILLIAM ROSE sworn.

I am a poor labouring man , I work hard for my bread, I live in liquor-pond-street, Horn-alley , I am a housekeeper; I lost the things mentioned in the indictment on the 28th of September last, I was not at home when it happened, I know nothing about it; I came home about eight to go to bed, and I found my house door broke open, and my things gone, here is the lock of my parlour door that was broke, there was no mark of violence on the outside door, only opened, I called to Mary Moore , who was locked in, I asked her how she could lay there, and let my house be robbed; she said she was locked in, and then I burst open the door, and took her out of bed by force, and sent for Mr. Isaacs to take her into custody; then I sent for the prisoner Margaret Cadwell , as I suspected her, she lodged in the house; then we went before the Justice.

What did you lose? - The things mentioned in the indictment, I missed them out of the drawers in the parlour; I never found any of them, except one silk handkerchief, on Snow-hill, at a pawn-broker's; the prisoner Hill used frequently to come to the house; I suppose he lodged with some woman in the room.

MARY ROSE sworn.

I went out and locked the door, and carried away the key, I left nobody in my room, the prisoner Cadwell was not at home above stairs.

Were your drawers all safe when you went away? - Yes.

It was hardly dark when you went out? - Just upon dusk, hardly dark.

I suppose your street door in the day time is open? - It goes with a spring lock, I pulled it to, and it was fast.

What time did you come home? - About half past eight, I found my husband at home, he brought the key with him; when I came home I found my room stripped of every thing; here is a list of what I lost, they are the things mentioned in the indictment, they were in my drawers in the parlour; nothing has been found but one handkerchief.

What is your reason for charging the three prisoners? - Because they confessed.

Did you hear them confess? - Yes.

Which of them did you hear confess? - Mary Moore and William Kendrick .

Did you hear any of these people at the bar confess any thing? - No.

MARY MOORE sworn.

I lodge at this house.

How long have you lodged there? - Not quite a fortnight.

Who else lodges in the house? - Mary Welch .

Did you lodge with her? - Yes.

Were there any other lodgers in the house? - Mary Cadwell , all in the same room.

Did any of these men lodge there? - Francis Hill came there to Mary Welch .

Do you remember the night this room was robbed? - Three weeks ago last Wednesday.

Where was you at that time? - Up stairs, in bed.

Tell me what you know about it? - Five weeks ago I was in Gray's-Inn-lane, between seven and eight, Francis Hill and

Kendrick, and another, I do not know his name, came to the street door of the prosecutor's house, and he asked if the landlord was at home; I asked him what he wanted; he made no answer; nobody was upstairs but Margaret Cadwell and I, he stood at the stairs foot, immediately I heard a great noise below, as if the door was breaking open.

How did he get in at the street door? - I do not know; then Francis Hill came up stairs, and he asked for a light; I told him there was neither fire nor candle, and he asked Margaret Cadwell to fetch a candle; and she said she had no money, and she went down stairs, and one of them gave her a halfpenny, I do not know which it was, then while she was gone Francis Hill came to me and said, d - n his eyes he had broke the door in, and he said Bill Kendrick was in the room, and if the old b - r came while he was robbing the room, Bill Kendrick should knock him down; Francis Hill said, if Kendrick was knocked down, he would believe to take him up, while Bill Kendrick brushed; then he went down stairs after a candle came; Margaret Cadwell brought it, and they were in the room about ten minutes after; Margaret Cadwell came up stairs to me directly when they had done, they stood at the stairs foot, and one of them called to Margaret Cadwell to take one of the bundles, which she refused, then they went about their business, and Margaret Cadwell seemed very much frightened, and said she would not stay in the house, I begged she would, but she went away and locked me in, and went into Holborn to give Mary Welch the key.

How many men did you see in all? - I only saw Hill.

Could you distinguish the voices of any more than one? - No.

Do you know whether there were more than one there? - No, I never saw any more than one, I could near more than one speak, but I did not know his voice, I heard only one voice.

Mr. Garrow. You was very well acquainted with Kendrick? - No, I never saw him but once before.

What way of life have you been in? - I am a servant, but I have been out of place for sometime, and I have been in the hospital for the King's evil.

How long have you been out of place? - About twelve months.

In what way of business have you supported yourself during that twelve months? - First one thing and then another, I do a bit of needle-work, and go of errands.

Is that the way you have got your living? - I cannot say but it is.

I will not ask you more about it, because the gentlemen I dare say understand however you are one of the three women that used to sleep with this man? - Sometimes I went to bed at ten o'clock, sometimes I laid in bed all day, when the room was robbed I was in bed all day, because there was no fire, nor I had no gown to put on.

Had there been any talk about breaking into this old man's room? - I heard none.

The landlord suspected you had robbed the room, did not he? - Yes, he carried me before the Justice.

When was it that you first told that story? - That very night, before I went before the Justice, I told the constable of it, he is here.

You told us about brushing by, running away, how long have you been acquainted with that sort of language? - I heard one of the gentlemen say so.

Which gentleman, one of the officers? - Yes.

How long have you been acquainted with Kendrick? - I never was acquainted with him in my life, I was not acquainted with him when he was tried the last time; I do not know how often he has been tried here.

WILLIAM KENDRICK sworn.

Court. Relate what you know of the robbing Rose's house? - Between the hour of seven and eight last Wednesday was three weeks, I was going to my mother's

house in Holborn, I met Nicholson, he asked me where I was going.

Mr. Garrow. I take the liberty of submitting to your Lordship, that there is no evidence against Nicholson.

Court. I hold, that it is regular to hear an accomplice in any stage of the prosecution, whether afterwards it deserves credit, will turn out upon the whole evidence, in which, to be sure, care will be taken to separate, but I cannot at present, cut the evidence to pieces in the course of the narration.

Kendrick. We went up Brook-street, and went to the Barley-mow in Gray's-Inn Lane; coming up Holborn, we met Francis Hill at the corner of Gray's-Inn Lane, and he says, where are you going; says I, nowhere in particular; says he, if you will go with me down to the house where I lodge, the landlord is out of the way, and we can break open the place and get all the property out; I asked this Nicholson whether he was agreeable to go, and he said yes, and all three of us went as hard as we could down to the house; when we came there, there is a kind of a yard about three yards from the street-door that goes in with a little gate-way, and this Hill told us to stop there while he went to enquire whether the landlord was at home; he went upstairs and came down again, and said, no, there is nobody at home, let us go in, and immediately all three of us went up to the parlour door, the lower part, and we all three of us shoved the door open by the force of our hands.

Was the door only put too, or locked? - It was fast.

How did you get the door open? - By the force of our hands, but I could not see then whether the lock was broke; afterwards, says I, we want a candle; Hill went up immediately to Cadwell and says, have you got any candle, no, says she, have you got the parlour door open; says he, come down stairs and he (meaning me) will give you a halfpenny to buy a candle; she came down stairs and I gave her one, and she felt in the dark; it was a new halfpenny by the roughness; she said it was a bad one, and I gave her another, then she returned with a candle and she came into the yard and said, here is the candle, do you want it lighted, and Hill said, what do we want with a candle if it is not lighted, and she went over the way and lighted it, and came and gave it to Hill; she went up stairs; then we all three went into the room and shut the street door, and the parlour doors, then we opened the drawers and took out all the property that is mentioned in the indictment; I packed them up in three bundles; after we packed them up in three bundles, we packed one up in this, Nicholson's apron, and another in a black petticoat; I cannot tell what the third was packed in; we each took a bundle and called Cadwell to take the candle, and I said to her, put one of these bundles in your apron and come along with us; she declined doing that, but took the candle, and told us to wait a few minutes at the bottom of the stairs; the other two men went out, and I waited a few minutes for her coming down, and she did not come down, and I went away and pulled the street door after me, then we carried the property into Leather-lane and into Holborn, and we went to a coach that was in the rank, and put the property in, and carried it to the Windmill-inn, in St. John's-street, Smithfield, and sold the property for thirty-six shillings to one Mrs. Carter that lives up in the gallery; after we had sold it, I happened to put a silk handkerchief that belonged to some part of the property, in my coat pocket; coming down Snow-hill, I felt in my pocket, and said, here is a silk handkerchief that belongs to part of the property; Nicholson said, go in and pawn it; I declined it, and he went in and pawned it at one Mr. Cordey's on Snow-hill, for eighteen pence; and he came out and brought out three six-pences, and he gave us six-pence apiece and kept six-pence himself, and we went to Holborne and we met Cadwell, and we asked her to have something to drink; we told her where we were going, to the Barley-mow, and she came in half an hour, and the landlord would not let her in, he gave her a glass of gin, and she went out, and we never saw nothing of her till she was apprehended; after that we sat there and had

some stakes and beer, and we thought it time to come away; I still had the money in my pocket the things were sold for, and going towards Drury-lane, there was a tallow-chandler's shop open; there was a candle in the window, and they desired me to give each of them their share, and I took out the money by the light of the candle, and gave each his share; then we went down Drury Lane and had a pot of beer and smoked a pipe; then we all agreed to go to Nicholson's lodgings, in Baldwin's Gardens; we all went there, and went to bed; the next morning we got up and went to a public-house, and had some purl, and so it passed for three or four days, till Sunday came, then I was apprehended in bed.

Where was your home? - No. 12, Ely-Court, Holborn.

Mr. Garrow. Mr. Kendrick, you tell this story as easily as a man can read a chapter in the bible, as if it was to your honour; how long have you been engaged in this business? - About a twelvemonth, as far as I can recollect.

Is it not more than a twelvemonth since you was taken up with Berwick Mayton? - He was capitally convicted for privately stealing, I was neither a witness or anything else.

How often have you been in custody since? - I cannot tell, that is an odd question to ask.

You are as often in custody as out? - No, not quite, I cannot tell.

Give a random guess, we will not quarrel for a dozen times? - I cannot give no random guess, I may have been once taken up or so by a warrant.

Do not you know that you have been much oftener at Bow-street than once? - No.

Have you never been a witness against your accomplices? - No.

Are you sure of that? - No.

Did not you keep that handkerchief on purpose for them to pawn it? - It was all a random affair, I did not like to go into that shop.

Why did not you like to go into Mr. Cordey's? - I declined doing it, I had no reason.

Was not your reason for not going in, that they might not be evidence against you.

Who proposed going to Mrs. Carters? - We all know the place because Nicholson, I believe, had never been employed in any such thing before dealt had been about six months.

A ready receiver for anything you carried to her? - I believe so, I believe she does in case we have anything of that kind to give her, I never sold her none.

You only deal in this sort of way? - I do not know what sort.

I suppose if there had been any plate in the house it would have been all the same? We should not have left it behind, Mrs. Carter lives there now, if she was not left behind, I did not squeak after I was taken, I stood out a week, and then I should not have squeaked if it had not been for other people, I thought this woman would have done it, Margaret Cadwell , I know they were taken up a week after I was apprehended, I believe it was the Saturday evening after.

JOSEPH JACKSON sworn.

I heard of the robbery before, but I took Mr. Hill and Nicholson, they were both together in a court going down to the footman in waiting, in Charlotte-buildings, this was on the 8th of this month, between eleven and twelve.

Mr. Garrow. Your information I believe, was against Hill only? - Yes, it was.

Was that after the other fellow was in custody? - Yes.

Was it from him you had the information? - No.

You took Nicholson because he was in company with the other? - I did.

You knew Kendrick of old? - Yes, and I knew Hill too.

I did not ask you that.

- JONES sworn.

I know nothing more than the taking these two men, I was with Jackson.

THOMAS ISAACS sworn.

On the 28th of last month, I received

information that this gentleman's house was broke open, and I took Mrs. Moore she that was in the house, in consequence of my going in she said she thought it was very hard she should suffer for other people; and I asked her what she meant by that, and she said it was such people that did it; the next morning, she told the magistrate, and in consequence I took Kendrick.

- HUTCHINSON sworn.

I was sent for last Saturday was a week at night, by a party belonging to our patrol, I went down stairs, I went to the Black Dog, there were Hill and Nicholson together, Jones and I went to Nicholson's lodgings, and there was found a green coat, which the prosecutor believes the same coat that Hill had on the night the robbery was committed; there was a dirty shirt and a dirty handkerchief, and two or three of them things, but I only brought the coat.

JAMES MACMANUS sworn.

I only went to the pawnbroker's.

JOHN BAXTER sworn.

I am servant to Mr. Cordy, I have the handkerchief which was taken the 28th of September in the name of Jackson, I do not know the person that brought it.

Did you take it? - I do not know.

Where is your master? - He is at home.

Is that your practice to take in things without making any memorandum who takes them; how many people are there in your shop? - Three, two of us take in the things; there are so many persons we see in a day it is impossible to know one single person.

That I grant you, but you might put in a memorandum upon it? - Sometimes I take them in, and sometimes the other man, and if we are busy, we tell the boy to write the bill.

Court. The trade must be suppressed if it is carried on in that manner, it is making the pawnbrokers shops, a nursery for thieves? - Mr. Cordey sent me voluntarily to come.

Jackson. My Lord, I went to tell them to come voluntarily, or if not, I should take out a summons.

Court. It is very easy to make the initial letter of the person's name that takes in the things, then you would always know? - We lent eighteen pence upon the handkerchief.

Prisoner Hill. I leave it to my Counsel.

The prisoner Hill called three witnesses who gave him a good character.

Prisoner Nicholson. I leave it all to my Counsel.

The prisoner Nicholson called eight witnesses who gave him a good character.

Prisoner Cadwell. I know very little about it.

The prisoner Cadwell called six witnesses who gave her a good character.

G. MARDEN alias F. HILL,

GUILTY Death .

WILLIAM NICHOLSON , MARGARET CADWELL ,

NOT GUILTY .

Court to Kendrick. I discharge you without any exhortation, because it will be thrown away, I have no hopes of you, I have no doubt but you will come to the gallows.

WILL VANDEPUT, JAMES BEAMAN, FRANCIS STORER, DANIEL EAST.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-15
VerdictGuilty
SentenceDeath

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923. WILL VANDEPUT , JAMES BEAMAN , FRANCIS STORER , and DANIEL EAST , were indicted for burglariously and feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling house of Lewis Teissier , Esq. about the hour of eight in the night, on the 3d day of September last, and burglariously stealing therein one bale, containing 160 lb. weight of silk, value 260 l. the property of Francis Bruisset and John Nichols Boishey , in the same dwelling house .

A second count, For burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house of the said Lewis Teissier , and stealing a bale of silk, his property.

A third count, For stealing the said bale of silk, the property of Bruissett and Co. in the dwelling house of Lewis Teissier .

A fourth count, For stealing the same,

the property of Lewis Teissier , in his dwelling house.

A fifth count, For stealing the same, the property of Bruisset and Co. in a certain out-house belonging to the said Lewis Teissier , and belonging to his dwelling house.

A sixth count, Charging it to be the property of the said Lewis Teissier , in such out-house.

(The witnesses examined apart.)

The Indictment opened by Mr. Garrow, and the Case by Mr. Silvester.

JOHN CLOSE sworn.

I am one of Mr. Teissier's clerks, I remember locking up the warehouse, about twelve at noon on this Saturday, the 3d of September, I deposited the key in the compting house, which joins to the house in Broad-street, it is the other side of the house not within the yard, I did not go to the warehouse any more that day, as far as I know; there was no occasion to go there again that day, I went there between eight and nine the Sunday morning; my business for the day as to that warehouse was over at twelve: on Sunday morning between eight and nine, I found a bale of Piedmont silk was gone, marked B. B. C. No. 7, I cannot tell the weight of it, I suppose about one hundred and sixty or one hundred and seventy pounds; it was with Mr. Teissier before I came to him, the value I fancy is about two hundred and sixty pounds.

Whose property was it? - Francis Bruisset and Co. of Turin, I do not know the other partner's name, I believe it was consigned to Mr. Teissier, but I do not know it.

Mr. Morgan, one of the Prisoner's Counsel. Is twelve your usual time of locking the warehouse? - There is no usual time, sometimes I go in the afternoon, I hung the key up in the compting house, the place where it always hung.

Did you ever see the key afterwards, before you missed the bale of goods? - I did not look for it.

The compting house is open to the rest of the people belonging to it? - Yes.

There are a variety of people come into the compting house during the whole remainder of the day? - No.

PETER FRANCIS DESPOND sworn.

I am butler to Mr. Teissier, No. 22, in Old Broad-street, the warehouse is next to the Excise-office.

What is next on the otherside? - The Old South-sea House; on Saturday the 3d of September, I shut up the gates between six and seven, the ware-house doors were pulled quite close, I do not know whether it was locked or no, I shut the gate and double locked it, and I put the key in my pantry, and double locked the pantry, and put the key in my pocket, and went out; the key was in my pantry as I left it, when I came home between nine and ten, and the maid told me the warehouse door was open.

Mr. James, another of the prisoners councel. I take it for granted, there was nothing particular to induce you to look at the warehouse door this evening more than any other? - No.

You saw it was shut? - Yes.

Whether it was locked or no you cannot tell? - No.

LEWIS TEISSIER , Esq. sworn.

Describe the situation of your warehouse, and how it is connected with your house? - The warehouse is in a yard, of which the wall joins the Excise-office, it is the partition wall over the warehouse and my bed-room; there is a gateway from the street, separate from the door of the house, where the carriage part of my warehouse business is transacted, my parlour is part of the old South-sea House, and the rooms that are over that parlour are not mine, they are lodgings belonging to the South Sea-house, my two compting-houses run from that parlour likewise, making part of the South-sea House a door to the South-sea yard, and to that door people come through a gate in the South Sea-house; this, gate is common to me with Mr. Grindall; he has for a long series of years had recourse to that yard, and his coachman had a key; there is an access

to my warehouse door through my kitchen, but that is only relative to my family, there is no communication between any part of my house and the warehouse.

Court. How is this warehouse held? - It goes with the lease; there is a gate way as I have told you, and over that gateway there is a dressing-room which joins to this bedroom where I sleep, and all the rest of the house is drawing-rooms, and so on, which run into one another; I was out of town when this robbery was committed, I came to town on Monday morning, I had lost a bale of Piedmont silk, B.B.C.No.7, consigned to me from Messrs. Bruisset and Co. of Turin; it was sent to me to be disposed of with eleven other bales; it came to me for 200 weight of Turin, that is always delivered in here for 160 lb.

What might be the value of it? - From 260 l. to 270 l. this is my own-ware-house, nobody has any concern in it, and nobody has a right to go into it unless the people of my own house.

SOPHIA SOUTHTON sworn.

I am servant to Mr. Teissier; I went out on the 3d of September at a little better than half after seven at night, and returned a little after eight; when I returned I saw three men, one opposite the gateway, and one on each side of the street.

What gate do you mean? - The gate that goes into the yard where the warehouse is; the gate at that time was open; I saw the little door open, and I went and knocked at the door, and my fellow servant let me in with a light, I told her there were three men at the gate, and we looked and saw the warehouse-door open; I went to the Rose and Crown and got two porters; they looked all about and they saw nobody; we could not tell what was missing that night till Mr. Close come; the next morning he came and looked over the warehouse, and said there was a bale of silk gone; when I went out for the porters, I did not perceive any man, I ran out in a hurry, I did not take notice; it was not so dark when I came home first but I saw the men.

Should you know their persons again? - No, the two men at the gate appeared to me to be dressed in dark coloured cloth, and one a shortish man.

Mr. Morgan. Are you sure as to the time you came home? - Yes Sir, I heard the clock strike eight as I came up London Wall.

How far was that from your house? - Very near, I was at home in a very few minutes after; the clock struck eight when I got home.

SARAH BULL sworn.

I am one of the servants; I was at home this evening, I went out with a candle, when the last witness came in, I opened the door and she told me the little door belonging to the gate was open; she said there were two men at the gate and one opposite, I went out, and as I was going out to shut the gate, I saw the ware-house door open, that alarmed me much; we returned into the kitchen and locked the door, we went to the front window, and could see nobody, she went to the public-house and got some porters to see what was the matter; she came to the back door.

Is that a usual communication to the house, or do they go by Broad-street? - They come by the front door, because the little gate is always locked at dusk, that surprised me and made me ask who was there.

JOHN COLLINS sworn.

I am one of the porters, I watched in the warehouse all night, nothing happened that night, I examined the warehouse, when the butler came home we saw plainly the marks of the place where a bale was missing, I saw no person on that spot that night but Mr. Grindall's coachman; he was not there a great while.

What do you call a great while? - Perhaps he might be there ten minutes or a quarter of an hour, he might perhaps more.

Court. What time of night was it when you examined the warehouse with Mr. Teissier's butler? - I believe it was near ten.

( John Edwards called.)

Mr. Morgan. He is an accomplice

Court. Have you the record of any conviction against him?

Mr. Morgan. My objection is, that in a capital case like this, this man is an accomplice, and is so acknowledged, and has been stated to the Jury as an accomplice by Mr. Silvester in the opening, thefore, I apprehend your lordship will not examine him.

Court. An accomplice is by law a competent witness, the credit of his testimony is to go to the Jury, that is a rule of discretion that always prevails with Juries upon the ground of common sense, that that accomplice should not have credit unless his testimony is supported; I hold it the most satisfactory way to receive the testimony of the accomplice in the first instance, in order to introduce the circumstances that gave him credit; I can conceive thousands of circumstances that would not be evidence till the evidence of the accomplice is heard.

JOHN EDWARDS sworn.

I was coachman to Mr. Grindall, his coach-house was in the same yard with Mr. Teissier's warehouse.

State to his Lordship and Jury what conversations you have had with any of the prisoners at the bar, and what you have done in their company with respect to any of the property of Mr. Teissier? - The prisoner Storer came to me to my master's stables in Mr. Teissier's yard, about a month or six weeks before this robbery, and asked if all the buildings there were stables, I told him no, pointing to, or touching the ware-house of Mr. Teissier, he said, did I know what goods, I told him I thought it was silk and indigo, he told me then that it would be worth doing, as silk and indigo were very valuable articles; that was all that passed at that time; the prisoner James Beaman and him came to me afterwards, and told me if I would assist them in robbing Mr. Teissier's warehouse I should be a partaker of whatever was taken out of the said warehouse.

Which of them said that? - Francis Storer and Beaman both, they came together; in a little time after, the said Francis Storer and Dan. East came into the yard and asked me for the key of the gate, which I gave them, that might be four, five, or six days after, I will not be certain which; I gave them to Storer, he asked me if I could give him a piece of clay or wax, I told him I could not, he then picked up a turnip and cut it and laid a piece of writing paper on it, and took off the impression of the key upon the paper, and then said Dan. let us go away.

What did he do with the key? - He gave it to me again.

What did he do with this piece of paper? - He took it with him.

When did you see any of the prisoners again? - Some time after, about a fortnight, I saw Beaman and Storer; they came to me into the stable, and frequently took me to the cellar, under the excise office, to drink, but we never sat down there; they brought a key that opened the wicket gate; they desired me to unlock that lock, which I did; it went very hard; they came again, and brought a key, and asked me to draw Mr. Grindall's chariot before Mr. Teissier's warehouse door, and Beaman told me to draw the chariot before the warehouse door, that he might have an opportunity of taking the marks of the lock, that he might not be seen putting in the key to prevent suspicion as there was so many windows, I told him I could not think of doing any thing of the kind, as I never used to put it there; they went away again, and they came again; Beaman came again, and brought a key with wax upon it, and put it into the warehouse of Mr. Teissier's; he then tried it, and said, it was a very good lock, the wax took the impression of the wards of the lock; then he said it was a very good lock, and took the key, and all away with him; a little while afterwards they came to me, and desired to know when it would be best for the warehouse to be done, I told them on Saturday, by reason I should be out of town with my master, the day of the month I do not know; the warehouse was done

on the Saturday evening, I came home about nine; when I came home the alarm was given to me that Mr. Teissier's warehouse was broke open, I heard that at the Rose and Crown, where the key of my stable was left.

How soon after the Saturday evening did you see any of the prisoners at the bar? - The Sunday following, between nine and ten; then I saw James Beaman at the crown at Smithfield Bars; he at that time kept that house.

Were any of the others present at that time? - No.

What did he say? - Beaman said, when I went in, that he, with some others, had got into the warehouse of Mr. Teissiers, and had taken away one bale of silk.

Did he tell you where they went to? - - No.

Did he tell you how they went? - He said they took one bale of silk away in a coach, which they had provided for the same, and there were such and such men with them, it is not right for me to mention their names; and he said there was fourteen pounds five shillings and six-pence coming to me, which he paid me all in light money, which I objected to; he then said, if they did not go he would change them for me, I owed some of the money, and I paid some of it, and he changed me one of the guineas; he said they had done no more than one bale; they were prevented by a woman coming in at that wicket gate, and calling the coachman, and finding no coachman, she went to the back gate, and that disturbed them; and that woman saw three of them, and one of them in a white apron; I saw Beaman afterwards, he told me I was indebted to him two shillings and six pence for my share of lumbering the silk, nobody was present but him and his wife.

What is lumbering? - I do not know, he did not say.

Did he tell you what sort of silk it was? - No, he did not tell me where he went, he shewed me a double-barrelled pistol out of one of his pockets, and said, if any of the porters had come during the alarm he was ready for them.

Mr. James. What do you say your name is? - John Edwards .

Be so good as to favour me with some of the other names by which you have been called; what are your common nick names? - I used to have the name of Jubilee Jack , by wearing a little round hat; I never went by any other name but that.

Do you mean to swear that? - Yes, that I never went, only by that name, and the name of John Edwards , I will swear that.

I understand you say you have lived as coachman with Mr. Grindall? - Yes, about four months.

Where did you live before? - I drove the Shrewsbury coach before.

How long ago was it when you drove the Oxford coach? - I never drove the Oxford coach.

Do you remember driving any coach in which there was a little accident of a parcel being lost? - No.

Do you remember being in custody on charge of stealing a parcel? - No, never in my life; I defy all the world to say I ever was before a justice or a court; I never was in custody for stealing a parcel from any coach of which I was the driver, or of any other coach; I came from prison here, I cannot tell the day I went to prison, it was on a Thursday after the 3d of September, about a fortnight.

What is the reward which is given by act of parliament for the conviction of persons guilty of burglary? - I do not know.

Do you mean to swear that upon oath? - I do.

Will you swear that? - I will.

What! you never perhaps heard of such thing? - I never was in a court in my life, if I suffer along with the prisoners I will say nothing but what is truth.

Do you mean to say likewise that you do not know the reward that was advertised by Teissier? - Yes, I know that reward, but that is not to me, it is for apprehending and taking.

How did you know that such a reward was offered? - By seeing it in the Public Advertiser.

When was that? - Every day since the robbery was committed; I saw it the next morning after.

The reward is one hundred and fifty pounds on conviction, and two hundred pounds more if full information should be given to the satisfaction of the Jury; is that so? - I do not know.

Do not you know at this moment that a greater reward is to be given if a full plump round story is told than merely if you come to give evidence? - I will say no to that; I do not swear out of fee or reward; I do not swear to take the men's lives away for the reward.

Why did not you discover the robbery the next morning? - Because I was in danger of my life; I was afraid of being shot; I put it off six weeks, and told them I would have nothing to do with it till they forced me to do it; I was apprehended before I made any discovery.

What were you taken up for? - Upon suspicion of having been concerned in this robbery.

Then it was you gave the information you are reciting now? - Yes.

Upon your oath, did not you mention the commission of this robbery as a thing easy to be done by other persons besides the prisoners at the bar; mind the answer, and mind the question, if you do not answer that question, as I think you ought, I will give you a name to put you in recollection? - No, Sir, I never did.

You swear that you never have had any conversation about the commission of this robbery previous to the time of its being committed, except with the prisoners at the bar? - I never had.

Had you no conversation of that kind with a man of the name of Bray? - I had not.

You fixed on Saturday, as most convenient for effecting this robbery? - I did.

You say in your evidence, that one of the prisoners picked up a piece of turnip, and cut it, and put some writing paper upon it, and took the impression off the key, and then said, Dan let us go, did you see the impression? - I gave the key, and saw the impression taken of, I never looked at the paper.

How can you tell that any impression was made? - Because he looked, and said this will do.

Then you saw a piece of paper put on the turnip; you say that one of the prisoners demanded something for lumbering the goods? - Yes.

Do not you understand that term? - I do not.

You could not conceive what it meant? - I could not.

You did not give him the half-crown? - Yes, I did.

What, you gave him the half crown for lumbering without knowing what it was? - Yes, I did.

Court. Where did you make your information? - Before Justice Blackborough five days after I was committed, about seventeen days after the robbery.

Mr. Garrow. You was not the apprehender of any of these persons? - No.

JOHN SAY sworn.

I am a Hackney coachman, on the 3d of September, I was at the stand at Corn-hill, about a quarter after eight, I was hired by a man, I should know him I dare say.

Look about? - I cannot say I see the man here.

Look about you? - No, I do not see the man here as I know of.

Have you ever seen the man since? - No, Sir, never.

Did you ever see him before? - I cannot say, I may have seen many people before.

Did you never see the man that called you that night? - Never before or since, I was hired by a man, he took me to Broad-street, he went on the coach box, nobody was in the coach at that time.

What part of Broad-street? - The corner of a court, I cannot say I know the

name of the court, there is a fruiterer's shop at the corner.

How near is that to the Excise-office? - Close to it, almost opposite to it; when I had been there about two minutes, the man came to me, and ordered me down Winchester-street, I went down about four doors on the left hand, the man on the box went over the way to speak to two men that were standing by the Excise-office rails.

Is that near the gate-way? - The Excise-office gate is very nigh it, I stopped there on the left hand, and waited there about a quarter of an hour, I was feeding my horses and somebody came and put something into my off door, and shut up the door again, and the man that was on the box before got up again, and told me to drive down London-wall, down Coleman-street, up the Old Jury, down Queen-street, down Thames-street, then to Puddle-dock, to the White Bear.

Who keeps that house? - One Mr. Nodes.

When you came to the White Bear, what did you do? - The man got off the box and he opened the door, and I got off the box to let the man out with something that they had in the coach it seemed to be a bale of something, but I did not know what it was, I helped to carry it in, and the other two men, we had a glass of brandy in the bar, it was put in, and they ordered me to turn about, then two men came out and ordered me to drive into Widegate-alley, Bishopsgate-street, we stopped at the corner of Catherine Wheel-alley, and staid there about half an hour, then they came back to me in company with a third, they all got into the coach, then we went back to Nodes's, and I stopped at the door about a quarter of an hour, I went into the house, and I asked them if they were going to discharge me, they said no, they should want me again.

What were they doing in the house? - I cannot say, they were busy among themselves; these three men were by themselves, and another man in the back room with them.

What had they with them? - They had the bale withinside Mr. Nodes's bar, when they went in they asked me to lend them a knife, I told them yes; they cut the ropes and things, and threw them, as I think, into Mr. Nodes's bar.

What was in the bale? - I do not know, it was somewhat, they shewed it about, I cannot tell what it was, it appeared to me to be yellow, but I could not distinguish the colour, it being dark.

Was it this colour? - I cannot say, they had plenty of candles, but it is hard to discern such a colour at night-time, then they took a brown bag out of the coach, and put the contents of the bale into the bag, and put the bag into the coach again, and I carried them to Wentworth-street, Petticoat-lane.

Who went there? - Two people.

Only two? - Only two, then they took it out and went away, and told me to wait till they returned, they were gone, I suppose a quarter of an hour, when they came back they ordered me to drive to Mr. Nodes's, which I did, then they said, come in and take your fare, and I had a glass with them, I was there the value of ten minutes, and they gave me six shillings, and discharged me; the second time I was in the house ten minutes, and the first time when I gave them the knife to cut the package, I was seven or eight minutes; there were seven or eight people in the back room; I do not know any one of them.

Look about and see if you know them? - As I am upon my oath I do not know any body there.

JAMES NODES sworn.

I keep the White Bear in Thames-street.

Do you remember any persons coming to your house in a coach on the 3d of September in the evening? - Yes.

How many persons? - Three.

Look round and tell us which they are? They are all there one after another, Mr. Beaman came first, Vandeput and Storer came in at the front, John Say , the coachman, and East, came in at the side door; they brought in a large bundle, they put it

down on the outside of the bar, in about a quarter of an hour Beaman came in and joined company with them.

Did they take their bundle into the parlour with them? - No Sir, they left it at the outside of the bar, it was a large bundle as big as a sack, the package was a kind of package such as they pack cloth in, of coarse cloth, it was tied with a rope, they staid after Beaman came in some time, but Vandeput and Storer went away in the same coach; they were gone about half an hour; they came back and brought a person with them whose name is Farmer, and they went into the parlour; Beaman and the other continued there after the others came back, here was a skain of silk produced in that parlour which I heard them say was taken out of that bundle.

Court. Who said it came out of that bundle? - The four prisoners; it was of a yellowish colour to the best of my knowledge; it was candle-light, but something of that colour; I heard some conversation that Mr. Farmer had agreed to give half a guinea a pound for it.

What did they do after that? - Then they returned and cut the cords on the outside of the package, and put it in a large bag which they had in the coach, some of the cord they took away and some they left behind, and that they desired me to burn; there were three of them went away in the coach, Mr. Farmer followed the coach, and East went home a little in liquor; he did not go in the coach.

Have you any doubt in point of certainty that these are the men? - These are the men that were in my parlour, all four of them.

You, I believe, did not observe the marks on the package? - I did not, I afterwards saw some of the prisoners at Bridewell, that was Storer and East; they asked me if any thing had transpired, I said nothing that I knew of; they asked me who told me they were there, I said Mrs. Beaman, then came in a person that whispered them, and they told me the subject of that whisper was, that nothing could affect them.

Had you at any subsequent time any conversation with Beaman after this robbery was committed? - Yes.

What was that? - He shewed me two picklock keys that he said did the business; they were large keys, as big as street-door keys.

Mr. Morgan. Where did you come from just now? - Out of the room just by.

That will not answer my question; where have you resided now, for a few days before you came here to-day? - In New Prison; I have been there almost a month.

Perhaps on this account? - Yes, I fancy so.

Where is your home that you have now? - At Puddle Dock; I lived there about two months; I kept the Gentleman and Porter in Ball-lane, Spital-fields.

There are no thieves thereabouts? - That was the reason I left it.

What! because it was an honest neighbourhood? - Because it was not; I lived there about a year and three months.

You had not the good luck to be prosecuted during the time you lived there for harbouring thieves? - I never had a word said to me; I always kept the house quite clear before that; I kept the Little Lion in the Borough; I never was inside this place before in my lifetime.

I am very sorry you was not here a long time ago; when they brought this bale and put it down, did you know them before that time? - Yes.

Was either of them in the silk way? - I knew but very few in the silk way.

Did any of the prisoners deal in silk? - - Not that I know of; I have seen them all before, but not often.

Did not you know that not one of them had anything to do with silk? - Not before it was brought to my house; I did not know anything of any of their businesses.

Now, you have been telling us about the ropes, and the outward case being cut, who cut them? - I did not cut them.

Who did? - The prisoners.

All four? - No, not all four.

What did they desire you to do with the case and the ropes? - To burn them.

What was done with them? - They were burnt.

Did you see them burnt? - I saw them while they were burning.

Who put them on the fire? - My wife, I was backwards and forwards.

Why did you suppose they desired the case and the ropes to be burnt? - Because I did not believe they were come honestly by.

Court. How many times before this had you seen these men? - I had seen them three or four times at this house to drink a pint of beer, and I had seen them at the other house, but not lately; I had been out of the other house three months, I know all their persons, I am not mistaken, I know them all particularly well.

ANN NODES sworn.

I am wife of the last witness, on the 3d of September, the prisoner, the man on the right hand, and one that stands there, came in first, and the tall one Beaman came in afterwards, they came in with the coachman John Say , they brought in a bundle, and put it on the outside of the bar, it was marked B. B. C. in a round ring, two B's at the top, and a C. at bottom.

Was it in that form? - Yes, they called for some brandy and water, and went into the parlour, and Mr. Beaman came after and joined company with them, then they unpacked it, and put the contents of it into a brown bag, I was in the bar and saw them do it, and they took it away in a coach.

Are you sure these are the men? - I am sure as to their persons.

Mr. James. I suppose you have a perfect recollection of all that passed? - No, Sir, I did not hear all that passed, I was in the bar, they did cut the ropes the outside of the bar, and put it into a brown bag.

Did you see anything likewise of the burning of the bands? - They left them behind, I burnt them, they were of no use, I could not cut off the knots.

Was that the only reason why you burnt them? - Yes.

Now, pause a little, recollect, if you mean to say so seriously upon your oath? - Yes.

You mean to swear that? - Yes.

Did you do it of your own accord, or had you any directions for doing it? - They said they were good for nothing.

Did they say any thing else? - They did not desire they should be burnt, as I recollect.

Had you any conversation with your husband on the subject? - None at all.

Did he happen to see the burning of the bands? - Yes, after they were flung on the fire; he did not say any thing to it, he did not think they were of any consequence.

Therefore you burnt them as you would do any other cords? - Yes.

No other reason upon the face of the earth? - Certainly not.

RACHEL POULTNEY sworn.

I am servant to Mr. and Mrs. Nodes at the White Bear; I remember some persons came there on Saturday the 3d of September in a coach, one was Frank Storer , and the coachman Say came in with them, and two more came in at the fore door, and the coachman and Storer at the other; they brought a parcel like a package.

Was it tied with any thing? - Yes.

How was it tied? - With a cord across and across.

Where did they put it? - The backside of my Mistress's bar.

Did any body else come afterwards? - James Beaman came afterwards and another came in.

The Remainder of this Trial in the next Part, which will be published in a few Days.

Old Bailey Proceedings front matter.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-15

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THE WHOLE PROCEEDINGS ON THE KING's Commission of the Peace, Oyer and Terminer, and Gaol Delivery for the CITY of LONDON; AND ALSO The Gaol Delivery for the County of Middlesex, HELD AT JUSTICE HALL in the OLD BAILEY, On Wednesday the 19th of OCTOBER, 1785, and the following Days;

Being the EIGHTH SESSION in the Mayoralty of The Right Hon. RICHARD CLARK , LORD MAYOR OF THE CITY OF LONDON.

TAKEN IN SHORT-HAND BY E. HODGSON, PROFESSOR OF SHORT-HAND; And Published by Authority.

NUMBER VIII. PART III.

LONDON:

Printed for E. HODGSON (the Proprietor And Sold by J. WALMSLAY, No. 35, Chancery Lane, and S. BLADON, No. 13, Pater-noster Row.

MDCCLXXXV.

THE WHOLE PROCEEDINGS UPON THE

KING's Commission of the Peace, Oyer and Terminer, and Gaol Delivery for the CITY of LONDON, &c.

Continuation of the Trial of W. Vandeput, J. Beaman, F. Storer, & D. East.

What part of the house were they in? - The parlour; my master and mistress served them, I did not; I saw a kind of stain of silk like orange colour, that came out of that package.

Was it like this? - Yes.

What did they do with this package as you call it? - They cut off the outside package and the ropes.

What became of them? - I do not know.

What became of the inside? - They took a brown bag out of the coach and put the bundle into it, then they put it into the coach, and the coachman went away.

Mr. Morgan. Did you go to the coach with them? - No.

You staid in the tap-room? - Yes, to wait on the customers, I did not go out with the men when they took the bag, nor when they fetched the bag.

Then how came you to say that they took it out of a coach? - Because the tap-room door stood open and I saw them take it out.

What covering was it in? - Straw colour.

A piece of cloth? - Yes, pretty large.

Was it matting or cloth? - It was like a mat.

It would not do to put down at your street door to wipe your feet on? - It was not such as that, my mistress said she burnt it.

Did you hear any thing said about burning? - No, my mistress told me she burnt the large outward wrapper as well as the bands; I do not know the names of all the prisoners, I know the name that one is called by, but I do not know that it is his name, his name is Frank Storer , I know all their persons if I see them.

But you do not know their names? - No.

Mr. Garrow. Look round and see if the men are here? - They are the four men that stand there.

Are you sure of it? - Yes Sir, upon my sacrament oath; I lived with my master and mistress before he came there; I lived above half a year at the Gentleman and Porter, I saw these men three or four times before.

Where? - Two of them two or three times at this house, and two or three at the other; at this house I saw East and Vandeput.

Have you seen them often enough to know their faces? - Yes, my Lord, I have.

JOHN LUCY sworn.

I am the constable of Clerkenwell, I apprehended, the 15th of September last, Daniel East and Francis Storer , at Clerkenwell Close, they were together in the street on the 24th of the same month, I went to Mr. Beaman's house, I searched for him, and I found he was not at home, and on his bed's head I found this pistol loaded, double barrelled, it was loaded with these balls, it was upon a ledge behind the bed's head.

In what room? - In the bed-chamber one pair of stairs, front room; on the 26th of the same month, on information, I went with four other officers to Narrow street, Lime-house, on information that Beaman and Vandeput were there, we waited there about two hours, and we secured Beaman, Vandeput made his escape, I saw him coming up to the door, but as soon as he saw us he made his escape, the other officers pursued him and brought him back to the public house, that is all I know; there was some conversation in the coach about the pistol that I found, Mr. Beaman, begged that I would not produce it in evidence against him before the Magistrate, he thought it woud aggravate the offence, and he and Vandeput said they had shipped themselves on board to go to America, and were to go off that night.

Mr. Silvester. We have done.

Court. William Vandeput , you have heard the charge against you, and what the witnesses have sworn, this is the proper time for you to make your defence.

Prisoner Vandeput. I know nothing at all about the matter, I am totally innocent, and it is for the sake of the very great reward they want to take away my life; I am a seafaring man; I belonged to a ship at the time.

Do you mean to say that you was not at Nodes's house? - I was not at Nodes's house, nor know any thing at all about it, nor know not where his home is.

Have you any witnesses? - No, my Lord, I have no witnesses; I have nobody in England belonging to me.

You must have some place where you lodge; you must have some connections? - I lodge in Wapping; all the witnesses I can give is to myself; I have no witnesses; I am a seafaring man; I can bring nobody to my abilities at all.

You must have been employed in the ship? - I belonged to the Fair American that then lay in Limehouse Hole when I was taken, and the ship wore down the same day I was taken; and to bring a parcel of people out of the house where nobody but sailors and girls live, would be of no use.

Court to Prisoner. Daniel East , what do you say of yourself? - I have a person here that knows Mr. Nodes very well, and knows I was on board the General Carter, and cast away; I have been three times to Gibraltar; I worked at my business since.

JAMES BEAMAN 's DEFENCE.

I am intirely innocent; at the time he apprehended me he told me he had taken this pistol; I am a gunsmith; I told him he might produce it, for it was brought to me to have a key made to it to screw and unscrew the barrels, but I have nobody to prove it, nor can I find that person that brought it; he has been once at my house, but my not being there he went away; I was not at Nodes's that night, being the first night of Bartholomew Fair , I was at home, I want to call Mr. Pitt, Mr. Akerman's servant, who knows this coachman.

Mr. Morgan. I wish you would be easy, and leave it to your councel.

Court. Your councel do not think that witness will be of any service to you, but if you wish to have him called I will not hinder you, but as you have put yourself into the hands of councel you will judge whether you should follow his advice or not? - To be sure I must.

PRISONER STORER's DEFENCE.

I am intirely innocent; I know nothing about it.

Have you any witness to call? - No, my Lord.

ALL FOUR GUILTY , Death .

Tried by the first London Jury before Mr. Baron EYRE .

ROBERT RICHARDSON.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-16
VerdictGuilty
SentenceImprisonment > house of correction

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924. ROBERT RICHARDSON was indicted for feloniously stealing, on the 4th of October , one pair of ash oars, value 10 s. the property of Richard Roberts .

(The case opened by Mr. Litchfield)

JACOB SELBY sworn.

I am a waterman belonging to the Custom-house, to the inspectors on that day, on Saturday evening I locked the door, and made it fast, it was last Saturday was four weeks, it might be the 17th of September; it was about eight when I left the skiff, on the Monday following I found that some oars had been lost between ten and eleven.

What oars were missing? - Oars marked one and two; on Monday morning I missed the oars, and I enquired at several pair of stairs for them; they were fastened to the boat by a chain, and I pulled at the lock to see if it was fast.

Whose boat was this? - Mr. Roberts's.

Mr. Garrow, Prisoner's Counsel. And if you lose any, you are answerable to Mr. Roberts for his oars? - Not that I know of.

Do you know the young man? - I do not.

WILLIAM WALL sworn.

I came from Blackwall on Saturday evening about seven or eight o'clock, on the Monday morning I was told they were lost, I wrote a paper to Mr. Cole, and they were found.

WILLIAM COLE sworn.

I am a constable; about three weeks ago I went to the prisoner's, there I found a pair of oars.

Did you go to search for these oars? - Not particularly for them.

How came you to take them? - I had them described; I found them in the prisoner's yard; there is a sort of pent-house goes over them; the house is in a place called Brewer's Yard, Shadwell, about forty yards off the river; these are the oars that I found there; they were at the top of the pent-house; they were put over the necessary, the broad arrow is plain upon them; they laid as all watermen lay their oars; not covered at all; I found them on the 4th of October; but I had information from Mr. Wall three or four days before.

You went there and he was sent for? - Yes.

Was he sent for or not? - I cannot say.

Who came back with him? - I cannot say.

Did not you see the little girl that assists in the family come back with him? - I do not recollect it.

Mr. Roberts's name I see now is upon these cars, burnt in? - Yes.

He is one of the greatest boat builders in town? - I believe he is.

To Selby. Are these the oars that you left in the house that night? - Yes.

Jury. Were they in the same state when they were lost as they now are? - There was none of this plaining then.

Is the plaining over the name? - Yes.

(The oars deposed to by Mr. Roberts.)

Mr Garrow. Now as to that mark at the further end of the oars may it not have been worked out? - No Sir, it is plained out.

Cole. He said he found these oars in the river, and brought them home.

Did he not say he expected them to be advertised? - No.

Did not the prisoner say at the Justice's that he had a witness that saw him pick them up? - I did not hear that, I heard the Justice say, if he had any witnesses for his defence they were to come for that to another court, but I did not see any witness there.

PRISONER's DEFENCE.

I had a fare about five at King James's Stairs up to Billingsgate, I went over to Horsleydown, and between Wapping Old Stairs and Union-stairs, a man called sculler, and these oars lay, I picked them up and carried them home; at my third hearing I found this man who was then just going to the West Indies, and I told the Justice so.

What is the man's name that saw you pick them up? - He is a foreigner and belongs to Norway, I do not know his name, it was a very odd name, he is gone to the West Indies in a ship named the Hope;

when the girl came and fetched me, she said that four runners wanted me, I came home directly, they asked me whose these oars were, I told them they were mine till I got an owner, says he, I have got an owner, and I will send you away for this.

The prisoner called one witness, who gave him a good character.

GUILTY .

To be confined six months in the House of Correction .

Tried by the second Middlesex Jury before Mr. RECORDER.

JOSEPH BOLOUS.
19th October 1785
Reference Numbert17851019-17
VerdictGuilty
SentenceTransportation

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926. JOSEPH BOLOUS was indicted for feloniously stealing, on the 24th of September last, two mens cloth coats, value 30 s. one silk waistcoat; value 8 s. one cotton waistcoat, value 4 s. one pair of black silk breeches, value 4 s. one pair of casimere breeches, value 7 s. four linen shirts, value 15 s. three pair of silk stockings, value 20 s. three pair of woollen blankets, value 20 s. one silver watch, value 40 s. one pair of stone knee buckles, one gold enamelled ring, value 15 s. one gold enamelled shirt buckle, value 8 s. one deal box, value 18 d. the property of John Adams .

JOHN ADAMS sworn.

I came to town on the 24th of September, in the Norwich coach, to the Swan with Two Necks in Lad-lane ; the first time I saw the prisoner was in the yard, plying as porter; I had a box and a parcel, which I took from the coach, and the prisoner and another man wanted to carry it to the Castle and Falcon in Dowgate-street; they began to hand it, I desired them to let it alone; I immediately took it to the gate of the inn, there stood a hackney coach, he said he was hired, I asked him to take care, and look at my box while I went and called another coach, and he said he would, and I went away to call another coach, and I had not gone a hundred yards till I saw another coach, which came, and when I returned back the box was gone; the prisoner was upon the spot when I left the box, within three yards, I called a hackney coach, and came back, the box was not two minutes out of my sight; I asked the hackney coachman where the box was, he said it was gone; two fellows had run away with it; I was rather flurried, and I was directed by a milk woman to go to Aldermanbury; a man said the box and the man were in custody; I went within a quarter of an hour and found the box and the prisoner in Queen's Court, Basinghall-street.

Prisoner. Whereabouts did you see me and the other man in the yard? - Opposite the Compting-house door, the office-door, where they transact the business for the coaches.

ELIZABETH FREELAND sworn.

I keep the White Bear Tap in Queen's Court; the prisoner came in, and called for a pint of beer, he had the box and parcel in his arm, and put it down upon a chest in the yard, nobody was with him, and my husband came in, and he asked him to drink, he gave the pint of beer into his hand, and set off without paying for the beer, or taking any care of the parcel, he looking down the court, saw a few people gathered together at the bottom of the court, a young man came up, and enquired after him, and he was taken; this is the same man that brought the box and parcel in, I saw him pitch it down, it was in less than ten minutes.

Prisoner. I was in the house, I do not remember seeing the gentlewoman.

WILLIAM FREELAND sworn.

I saw the box in the yard, and the prisoner by it; I saw him came into the tap, and he asked me to drink, and he went directly down the court, and he went into Fore-street, and in less than a minute a young gentleman that is here now came running in, and told me, and we pursued him, and took him; when we took him I said young man, you have not paid for your pint of beer, and he said he had had no