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12th July 1775
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THE WHOLE PROCEEDINGS ON THE King's Commission of the Peace, Oyer and Terminer, and Gaol-Delivery FOR THE CITY of LONDON; And also the Gaol-Delivery for the COUNTY of MIDDLESEX; HELD AT JUSTICE-HALL in the OLD-BAILEY, On Wednesday the 12th, Thursday the 13th, Friday the 14th, Saturday the 15th and Monday the 17th of JULY 1775.

In the Fifteenth Year of His MAJESTY's Reign. Being the Sixth SESSION in the MAYORALTY of The Right Honourable John Wilkes , LORD-MAYOR of the CITY of LONDON.

Taken in SHORT-HAND by JOSEPH GURNEY .

NUMBER VI. PART I.

LONDON:

Sold by T. BELL, at (No. 26.) the Top of Bell-Yard, near Temple-Bar

Price SIX-PENCE:

THE PROCEEDINGS ON THE

King's Commission of the Peace, Oyer and Terminer and Gaol-Delivery, held for the City of LONDON, &c.

BEFORE the Right Honourable JOHN WILKES , Lord Mayor of the City of London; the Honourable Sir EDWARD WILLES , Esq, one of the Justices of his Majesty's Court of King's Bench *. The Honourable Sir GEORGE NARES , Knt. one of the Justices of his Majesty's Court of Common Pleas +. The Hon. Sir BEAUMONT HOTHAM , Knt. one of the Barons of His Majesty's Court of Exchequer ||; Mr. Serjeant GLYNN, Recorder ++; THOMAS NUGENT , Esq; Common Serjeant ~; and others his Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer of the City of London, and Justice of Gaol Delivery of Newgate, holden for the said City and County of Middlesex.

The *, +, ||, ++, and ~, refer to the Judges by whom the prisoners were tried:

(L) London Jury,

(M) First Middlesex Jury,

(2d M) Second Middlesex Jury.

London Jury.

James Thompson

John Smith

Thomas Smith

Alexander Nicholson

Jacob Norsell

Nicholas Ridgeway

John Kettle

Thomas Hackney

Peter Balderoy

James Cooper

Joseph Watson

Edward Evans

First Middlesex Jury.

Solomon Hudson

Nathaniel Darwin

Joseph Hobbs

John Hobcraft

Samuel Calderwood

John Williams

Thomas Nicholls

John Robinson

John Winstanley

William Fletcher

Charles Molloy

Joseph Walker

Second Middlesex Jury:

John Rempell

William Greenall

Thomas Baker

Alexander Donaldson

Thomas Bannister

Samuel Norgrove

Daniel Barnes

William Manwaring

John Deval

William Thompson

Thomas Tubb

Edward Oxlee

Richard Spencer served part of the time in the stead of Daniel Barnes .

JOSEPH GRINDAL.
12th July 1775
Reference Numbert17750712-1
VerdictGuilty
SentenceTransportation

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(L) 501. JOSEPH GRINDAL was indicted for stealing a Promissory Bank Note, value ten pounds; one other Promissory Bank Note, value ten pounds; one other Promissory Bank Note, value ten pounds; one other Promissory Bank Note, value twenty pounds, the money secured by the said Notes being due and unsatisfied ; the property of Churles Bates, June 19th .

Charles Bates . I live at the Cock and Lion, Little Britain . The prisoner is a taylor , I sent for him to my house, and gave him my cloaths to mend. Some time afterward, I recollected that I had not taken out of the pocket, a canvas bag with three ten pounds, and a twenty pounds bank note. I went to his house, and asked for him; he was not at home; I asked the man for my coat, I unbuttoned the pocket where I had forgot before to search, and the bag and notes were gone. I was much vexed, Mrs. Bates asked me what was the matter; I told her, in the cloaths there was a canvas bag and bank notes. She asked me if I could remember the numbers; I told her I could not just then. I went to the bank, and enquired of the clerks whether any body had been there with the notes for cash; one of the clerks examined, and told me there had not; I told him I had sent my cloaths to the taylor's to mend, and there were some bank notes in the pocket; I desired him, when they should be brought, to take notice of the man; that the taylor was a tall man in a dark grey coat. I saw him come home. The clerk of the bank came and informed me the prisoner had been at the bank with a note. He said he passed him in Honey-lane market; I went to seek him, and I presently saw him go by. I called him; at last he turned about and came over; I took him into a parlour, and said I gave him my cloaths, that in an inside pocket there was a canvas bag with fifty pounds in notes. He said he saw nothing of it. I told him, he had it. He said no. I told him I knew he had been at the bank, and bid him go home and bring them to me. He went, but did not come back. The next morning I charged a constable with him, and took him to the bank. He said, he never was there in his life: this was on the 20th, the day after he had changed a ten pound note. The clerks said they knew him. He still denied it. They told him they were sure he was the man, and told him what a dangerous thing he had done, and desired him to go with me and make it up. I said, if he would give me sundry notes for the ten pounds he received at the bank, I would make it up, but he refused to do that. We went; and had a hearing before Alderman Hopkins, who sent him to Wood-street compter.

On the Prosecutor's cross examination, he said that it was before breakfast he sent for the prisoner, and delivered him a coat, waistcoat, and breeches to repair; that after breakfast he went to see after the notes, and found the prisoner at work on the cloaths; that he did not examine the pockets before.

John Haywood . I live just by the prosecutor; I was at his house the morning he lost the notes, and he acquainted me with the affair. He told me one was a ten pound note he had given me cash for; it was an old note with a good deal of writing upon the back, and the inside had writing on it. I do not recollect the number. I told him if I could see the note I could almost be positive to it. I saw it afterwards at the bank, I was sure it was the note, for I changed no other note with him.

- Boults. On, I think, the 19th of June last, the prisoner brought a bank note of ten pounds to the bank for payment. This bank note being an old one, he was ordered to go into the accountant's office, and have it examined, which he did; then he brought it in to me to mark for payment; I gave it him again, and told him to write his name and place of abode upon it; he went, I saw him write on the note, Brown, Stanhope-street, May fair; he only wrote Brown at first, I asked him whether he had a Christian name, he hesitated a little, and said John; I put the word John to Brown; he went and received the money for it.

Mr. Boults on his cross examination said, that the prisoner came with the note between eleven and twelve o'clock; that the prosecutor had been there ten or fifteen minutes before to describe him; that when he saw the prisoner come in, he told them the taylor was come, and that he was positive the prisoner was the man.

Q. from the Court to Mr. Haywood. Is this the bank note you sent to Mr. Bates?

Haywood. I believe it is by the number of writings that are upon the back: there was a scruple when I changed this note, there was so much writing upon the back; I did not take so much notice of the names.

John Waldon . I am in the service of the bank. On Monday morning the 19th of June, the prisoner offered this note for payment; it being an old note, he was to get it examined; after it was examined, he wrote his name, John Brown, Stanhope-street, May fair; before this, Mr. Bates had been with me, and had given me a description of a man he suspected had these notes; in consequence of which, Mr. Boults desired me to step after this man, and see where he went; turning up an alley which leads to Honey-lane I missed him; I went and told the prosecutor the man he described had been. The prisoner came by soon after in the dress I had described him in; he was called into their house, and charged with it, but he denied it. I saw no more of it till he was brought to the bank by the constable.

George Hall. I am a teller at the bank of England. I paid the prisoner a ten pound note in the name of John Brown. I asked him if his name was Brown; he said yes; I paid it about eleven o'clock.

Prisoner's Defence.

On Monday morning I took these cloaths to mend; the prosecutor said he must have them that day; I told him he should; he said here are some pockets whence I have lost some money, and shewed me where he had ripped the lining, and took the money out. There wanted several places mending in the lining; he said, do what is to do, and let me have them; I told him what there was wanted doing. My man did not come to work that morning at six, I went and called him, he came to work some time after; then I went to White-street, and measured Mr. Hunter for a waistcoat and pair of breeches, I did not leave him till half after eleven o'clock; then I proceeded through Lincoln's Inn and several other places, and we parted on Snowhill. I never was in the bank before Tuesday morning in my life.

For the Prisoner.

Thomas Hunter . I am a smith, I live in Little Wild-Street, Lincoln's-Inn-Fields; the prisoner came to my house on Monday morning the 19th of June, at nine o'clock; I should not have recollected the day particularly, but I had some jobs to do for him, and looking in my book, I found the day; he staid at my house to measure me for a waistcoat and breeches about three quarters of an hour, then we went to the mountain and had some drink, where we staid till past eleven; we did not part there, but in the city; then we met Mr. Tudor and Mr. Henry Luker ; they came to my house, they had some business with me; we four were in company together. After we left the Fountain, we went and found a man I wanted to see: the Fountain is near Clare-market, from thence we went towards the city; we went across Fleet-market and parted on Snowhill; he said, he was going towards home; it then wanted but three or four minutes of twelve by the church clock; I have known the prisoner some time, he has a wife and family; I never knew but that he was an honest man, he has worked for me five or six years.

Robert Tudor . On Monday the 19th of June, I went about some business for Mr. Hunter about nine o'clock; I came back to Mr. Hunter's and staid and drank some liquor till within a few minutes of twelve o'clock; we were together; then, I went with Mr. Hunter to the Tower, we parted with the prisoner; Grindal and I afterwards met and went to St. Sepulchre's church; then it was twelve at least.

Henry Luker . I was in company with the prisoner, Tudor, and Hunter, on Monday was three weeks; I was with them at the Fountain, near Clare-market three hours; I parted from them there; it then wanted about a quarter of twelve o'clock.

The Prisoner called eight other witnesses who gave him a good character.

Guilty .

[Transportation. See summary.]

EDWARD MORGAN.
12th July 1775
Reference Numbert17750712-2
VerdictGuilty > theft under 1s
SentenceCorporal > whipping

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502. (L) EDWARD MORGAN was indicted for stealing thirty-nine lb. wt. of lead value three shillings, belonging to the Mayor, Commonalty and Citizens of the city of London , the said lead being affixed to a certain building their property , June 5th ++.

John Eyre . I live in Houndsditch opposite the premises; on the 5th of June I saw the prisoner come out of the yard with something under his coat; I followed him about fifty yards and then stopped him and brought him back; I found this lead upon him; I compared it with a stable belonging to the city, where some lead had been taken from, and it tallied exactly; I saw the stable three hours before, and the lead was all safe then; I weighed the lead myself it was thirty-nine lb. wt.

John Chancellor . I am a labourer, I am employed to work in this place and know it to be the property of the city of London.

Prisoner's Defence.

I am quite innocent of the charge.

For the Prisoner.

Lawrence Cane . I live in Round Court, in the Sarand, I have known the prisoner almost seven years, he always bore an honest character.

William Owen . I live in Grub-Street, I have known him five or six years; I never heard any harm of him in my life.

Guilty of stealing to the value of 4 d.

[Whipping. See summary.]

JOHN WATCH.
12th July 1775
Reference Numbert17750712-3
VerdictGuilty
SentenceMiscellaneous > branding; Imprisonment

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503. (L.) JOHN WATCH was indicted for marrying Sabella Parkins , spinster, his former wife , Ann Folgar , being then living . ++

- Maclamare. I have known the prisoner some years.

Q. Do you know Mrs. Folgar?

Maclamare. I gave her away at the parish church of St. Dunstan's, to the prisoner at the bar, eight or nine years ago; I believe it was in the month of November.

Q. Do you remember whether it was the Lord-Mayor's day.

Maclamare. I believe it might.

On his cross Examination, He said.

"The

"prisoner and Mrs. Folgar, lodged at his house

"after they were married, but that they were

"much interrupted by her parents, which drove

"him from her soon after they were married."

Daniel Gunston . I examined the register of the parish of St. Dunstan's in the West, here is an exact copy of it (producing it; it was read in court.)

Sabella Parkins . I know the prisoner, I was married to him the 19th of April was twelve months, at St. Ann's, Soho, Westminster .

Cross Examination.

Q. What age was you when you was married?

Parkins. I was more than twenty-one,

Caleb Tavernner . I am the parish clerk of St. Ann's, Soho, I don't remember the last witness being married there; I don't remember her person; here is a copy of the register (producing it) I have examined it by the register book (it was read in court.)

Richard Motley . I know Mrs. Folgar, her maiden name was Ann Folgar , she was married to the prisoner; I knew her before she was married.

On his cross Examination, he said he did not

know what name she went by now; that she was married again to one Mr. Frazier; but that he (the witness) was neither at the first nor second marriage.

Prisoner's Defence.

On my return to London, I found Mrs. Folgar, married to one Mr. Frazier; I had not seen her for seven years, and being ignorant of the nature of the law, I thought I was at liberty to marry again.

Guilty .

[Branding. See summary.]

[Imprisonment. See summary.]

JOHN MORRIS.
12th July 1775
Reference Numbert17750712-4
VerdictGuilty > theft under 1s
SentenceCorporal > whipping

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504. (2d M.) JOHN MORRIS was indicted for stealing twelve table forks, value three shillings and one table knife value nine-pence , the property of Mary Botley , widow, June 23d +.

Mary Botley . On the 23d of June last, I lost twelve forks and one knife; I saw them about two hours before they were taken away. I missed them about two o'clock; I had laid them in the window of my tap-room; they were found an hour after.

(The Knife and forks were produced and deposed to by the prosecutrix.)

Williams. I live next door to the prosecutrix; I was standing at my door, when the prisoner was there; I saw a knife and some forks falling from his pocket; I believe the prisoner took them up again and put them into his pocket. Hearing the prosecutrix had lost some knives and forks, I went to the prisoner who stood at the door, and felt them in his pocket; he would not let me search him, but made off. I found them afterwards in a ditch about one hundred and fifty yards distance from the house.

Prisoner's Defence.

I never had them in my custody, another man had taken them.

For his Character.

Wm Williams. I am a serjeant in the regiment the prisoner is in, I have known him about sixteen years in the regiment, I never heard him charged with theft, he has been guilty of breach of duty, owing to his getting now and then in liquor.

Guilty 10 d. W .

JAMES BURDELL, JOHN COX.
12th July 1775
Reference Numbert17750712-5
VerdictNot Guilty

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505, 506. (2d M.) JAMES BURDELL , and JOHN COX were indicted for breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Isaac Ballard , on the 3d of June , about the hour of eleven in the night, and stealing seventeen yards of wrought silk, value six pounds, the property of the said Isaac, in his dwelling-house ||.

Acquitted .