THOMAS WILLIAMS.
22nd September 1873
Reference Numbert18730922-587
VerdictGuilty > unknown
SentenceImprisonment > penal servitude

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587. THOMAS WILLIAMS (38) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. DE MICHELE and MR. GLYN conducted the Prosecution.

CHARLES HURLEY . I keep the Horse and Groom public-house, Whetstone Park—on 8th September, about 10 o'clock at night the prisoner came and asked for a glass of mild ale and a 2d. cigar, and gave a florin in payment—I gave him change—I put the florin in the till, being engaged in conversation—as he went out I looked at it again, and then noticed that it was

counterfeit—I went out into Holbora to see if I could see him, and saw him go into the Robin Hood public-house—I called a constable and gave him into custody—the constable took hold of him and took him outside and asked what he had in his hand—he said "Nothing"—the constable told him to open his hand, he would not—the constable tried to open his hand—he resisted violently three or four times in going to the station—I saw his hand ultimately opened and a counterfeit florin taken from it—I had seen him in my house about 3 o'clock the same afternoon.

Cross-examined. I can't say what coin he paid with then—it was either a shilling or sixpence—I believe that was not counterfeit—I have only one till—I never put money I receive anywhere else, except 2s. pieces or half-crowns, which I place at the back after being put in the till—I put this florin in the till myself, and took it out again before placing it at the back, and I discovered that it was counterfeit—I had not taken any other florins shortly before—the prisoner was perfectly sober—he had not been drinkiug.

Re-examined. There was no other florin in, the till.

JAMES BADGER (Policeman E 473). I was spoken to by the last witness on the 8th September, in front of the Robin Hood—I went with him into the public-house, and he pointed out the prisoner there—I told him I should take him into custody for passing a bad 2s. piece—he said "Where is the 2s. piece, let me see it?"—I took him outside the door and asked what he had in his hand—I saw that his hand was clasped and he kept it by his side—he said "Nothing"—I said "Let me see"—he refused to do so—he struggled very violently and tried to bite and kick me—we both fell—he got his hand loose from me and made two or three gulping noises and said "It is gone"—but I still believed he had it in his hand—I got the assistance of three other constables—we forced his hand open and found in it this bad florin—I also got the other bad florin from Mr. Hurley—I searched the prisoner and found on him 9l. in gold, a 5l. note, eight shillings, and 15 1/2 d. in copper, a silver watch, a lady's umbrella, and a finger ring.

Cross-examined. He was perfectly sober.

HORACE CUNNINQTON . I keep a pie shop at 16, Russell Court, Drury Lane—on 25th August the prisoner came into my shop—my sister was serving at the counter—I heard him ask for two two penny pies—he teudered a half sovereign—she gave it to me to give change, as there was not sufficient in the till—I went down stairs to get it, and noticed that it was bad—I went and fetched a policeman and gave the prisoner into custody—he did not say anything.

Cross-examined. The prisoner remained in the shop with my sister; he could have got out—I was away about five minutes—I found him in the same place when I returned.

JOHN COOK (Policeman E 407). The prisoner was given into ray custody by Mr. Cunuingtou, with the half-sovereign—he was taken to Bow Street, remanded till 1st September, and discharged—I found on him 8l. 10s. in gold, 14s. in silver, and 4 1/2 d. in bronze.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . I am an officer of the Mint—this is a bad half-sovereign, and these are two bad florins—they are not from the same mould.

GUILTY . He was further charged with having been convicted at this Court on 8th April, 1867.

JOSEPH FLAXMAN (Police Sergeant W 32). I was formerly 25 L—I produce a certificate of conviction of Samuel McShay here in April, 1867—the prisoner is the person—he was sentenced toseven years' penal servitude.

JAMES GATMAN (Police Sergeant S 8). I was formerly 746 A—I was a witness against the prisoner when he was convicted in 1867—I am positive he is the man.

SIDNEY ROBERTS SMITH . I am clerk to the gaol of Newgate—I know the prisoner as McShay—he was undergoing a sentence ofseven years' penal servitude for uttering counterfeit coin.

GUILTY.— Ten Years' Penal Servitude.


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