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<interp inst="t18551217-name-250" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES MUNSEY</persName> </hi>. I am a greengrocer, of Lower Homerton. On Monday, 26th Nov., a few minutes after 12 o'clock, I turned my dark brown gelding out on Hackney Marsh, and my son followed him through the gate—I missed it about 4 o'clock—I gave 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 15
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. for it a few weeks ago.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. LOGIE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> And you never saw the horse again?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Never.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Where did you see him?
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<p>covered the horse, but I could see a white mark on the horse's back—I had seen the gelding three or four times a week, but had not seen it for the last three weeks—Munsey has had it about three mouths, as near as I can judge—as soon as I had done work I went down to Mr. Munsey, to know whether he had got his horse, or had sold it—I did not follow the prisoner—I never saw the horse again—it was not saddled—he had got a loose halter, and had a stick in his hand.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. T. SALTER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Had he the same coat on that he has now?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I believe so—I know him as well as I know my own brother—I knew the gelding by a white mark, a saddle mark, but there was no saddle, and the prisoner was sitting very near the horse's tail till he saw me.</p>
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<interp inst="t18551217-name-252" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH DEVONPORT</persName> </hi>. I am a ropemaker, of Homerton. On 26th Nov., about 3 o'clock, I saw the prisoner riding on a gelding, close to the White Lion at Hackney Wick, going towards Bethnal-green—he had no saddle, only a halter—I am sure he is the man—I knew him by sight, but did not know his name.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> But how did you know the horse?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I knew the horse well, I am sure it was a dark brown gelding, and not a mare—I will swear that—the coat did not cover much of the horse, it was buttoned up, and he was sitting on the tail of it—I did not speak to him—the horse was walking—I gave information the same night to Mr. Munsey's daughter.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SALTER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did she speak to you first?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, I spoke to Mr. Lee, a relation, and then the daughter asked him if he saw the horse.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">policeman, N</hi> 8). I took the prisoner at Romford market on Wednesday, 28th Nov.—I said, "Your name is John Trindle, I believe?"—he said, "Yes"—I said, "You are charged with stealing a horse off Hackney Marsh"—he said, "Me charged with stealing a horse? I know nothing about it, I never stole the horse."</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Witness for the Defence</hi>.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. T. SALTER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Have you been in Court during the examination of the other witnesses?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have just come in—I have been in during the whole time—I am out of employ now, and have been so for three months—I worked on the Great Northern Railway last—since then I have got my living as odd man at the London Docks—I cannot say who my master is there, I am taken in by a man whose name I do not know, and he does not know mine—I met the prisoner on the carriage road near Victoria-park, near where there is a hospital—I am not much acquainted with that part—he was coming away from the park, on this side of it—I do not know the name of the public house, and never was in it before—when I was working with him down at the Exhibition we lodged in the same house, and knowing that he was always among horses, I walked round the horse—I have heard him say that he goes to repositories.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What was he when he was working at the Exhibition?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> A labourer, and he lodged at a baker's shop with me—he left some time before the Exhibition was opened, I do not know what he has been doing</p>
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<p>since—I know that this was 26th Nov. because I had business that way that day—I am positive it was the 26th—I went down to see a young man about a place—I was not before the Magistrate—I heard of it in a public house some few days after he was taken, and I told them that I had part of a pint of beer with him, and that he had a mare, and the young man in the public house said, "Are you sure it was a mare?" and I said, "Yes"—the mare had no saddle or bridle, only a halter—I have never seen the mare since, nor the prisoner till now—the man who was in the public house asked me to come here—I do not know whether he is here now, but I have seen him here to do-day—I told him where I lived, and he found me out—the prisoner was going at a walking pace when I met him.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">JURY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What day of the week was it that you saw him?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I am not positive, I know that it was the 26th—I went there about getting a con
<lb/>stant job on the railway—I am not positive whether it was the latter end of the week, but I know it was in the week.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What is there that fixes the 26th in your mind?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Nothing, only that a young man working on the railway told me to come down on the 26th, and he would see about getting me a job—that was about four days before; he said, "Come on the 26th"—that was my day off.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. LOGIE</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> And you never saw the horse again?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Never.</p>
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<interp inst="t18551217-name-251" type="given" value="NELSON"/>NELSON LEE</persName> </hi>. I am a carman, living at No. 5, Park-street, Hackney Marsh. I knew Mr. Munsey's gelding—I saw the prisoner with it on Mon-day, 26th Nov., as near as I can guess about 10 or 20 minutes past 2o'clock, going towards Bethnal-green.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> Where did you see him?
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. T. SALTER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Had he the same coat on that he has now?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I believe so—I know him as well as I know my own brother—I knew the gelding by a white mark, a saddle mark, but there was no saddle, and the prisoner was sitting very near the horse's tail till he saw me.</p>
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<interp inst="t18551217-name-252" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH DEVONPORT</persName> </hi>. I am a ropemaker, of Homerton. On 26th Nov., about 3 o'clock, I saw the prisoner riding on a gelding, close to the White Lion at Hackney Wick, going towards Bethnal-green—he had no saddle, only a halter—I am sure he is the man—I knew him by sight, but did not know his name.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined. Q.</hi> But how did you know the horse?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I knew the horse well, I am sure it was a dark brown gelding, and not a mare—I will swear that—the coat did not cover much of the horse, it was buttoned up, and he was sitting on the tail of it—I did not speak to him—the horse was walking—I gave information the same night to Mr. Munsey's daughter.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SALTER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did she speak to you first?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, I spoke to Mr. Lee, a relation, and then the daughter asked him if he saw the horse.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">policeman, N</hi> 8). I took the prisoner at Romford market on Wednesday, 28th Nov.—I said, "Your name is John Trindle, I believe?"—he said, "Yes"—I said, "You are charged with stealing a horse off Hackney Marsh"—he said, "Me charged with stealing a horse? I know nothing about it, I never stole the horse."</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. T. SALTER</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Have you been in Court during the examination of the other witnesses?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have just come in—I have been in during the whole time—I am out of employ now, and have been so for three months—I worked on the Great Northern Railway last—since then I have got my living as odd man at the London Docks—I cannot say who my master is there, I am taken in by a man whose name I do not know, and he does not know mine—I met the prisoner on the carriage road near Victoria-park, near where there is a hospital—I am not much acquainted with that part—he was coming away from the park, on this side of it—I do not know the name of the public house, and never was in it before—when I was working with him down at the Exhibition we lodged in the same house, and knowing that he was always among horses, I walked round the horse—I have heard him say that he goes to repositories.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What was he when he was working at the Exhibition?
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<p>since—I know that this was 26th Nov. because I had business that way that day—I am positive it was the 26th—I went down to see a young man about a place—I was not before the Magistrate—I heard of it in a public house some few days after he was taken, and I told them that I had part of a pint of beer with him, and that he had a mare, and the young man in the public house said, "Are you sure it was a mare?" and I said, "Yes"—the mare had no saddle or bridle, only a halter—I have never seen the mare since, nor the prisoner till now—the man who was in the public house asked me to come here—I do not know whether he is here now, but I have seen him here to do-day—I told him where I lived, and he found me out—the prisoner was going at a walking pace when I met him.</p>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">JURY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What day of the week was it that you saw him?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I am not positive, I know that it was the 26th—I went there about getting a con
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<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What is there that fixes the 26th in your mind?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Nothing, only that a young man working on the railway told me to come down on the 26th, and he would see about getting me a job—that was about four days before; he said, "Come on the 26th"—that was my day off.</p>
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