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<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; 90 towels, 3
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>.; 54 dusters, 1
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 16
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.; 52 yards of linen sheeting, 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 14
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.; 12 pieces of linen sheeting, 4
<hi rend="italic">l</hi>. 14
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.; 5 window curtains, 10
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>.; and 1 plate, 2
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<lb/>SAY</hi> </persName>
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<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">with</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MESSRS. ADOLPHUS</hi>
<hi rend="italic">and</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">GURNEY</hi>,
<hi rend="italic">conducted the Prosecution.</hi> </p>
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<interp inst="t18440610-name-177" type="given" value="HENRY"/>MR. HENRY SAUNDERS</persName> </hi>. I am inspector in the Lord Chamberlain's department, at the palaces—Earl Delawarr is the Lord Chamberlain—I have known the female prisoners for fourteen or fifteen years, in Her Majesty's establishment—Elizabeth was a servant in the linen department, and Ellen was a house
<lb/>maid in the palace all that time—Elizabeth had charge of the linen in the Lord Chamberlain's department, to send it to the wash, and deliver it out to the parties requiring it in the establishment—Ellen had to do the housemaid's duties, but resided in the same apartment as her sister—I saw the articles stated in the indictment at the house of Mr. M'Nair, in Eaton-place.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CLARKSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you know whether Elizabeth's mother had preceded her in any employment in the palace?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It was before my time if she did—I never knew it—she was not in the Lord Chamberlain's department—there is probably more linen at Buckingham palace than at Windsor, but there is no allowance for either—it has often hap
<lb/>pened that Elizabeth has applied for linen at Buckingham palace, being short—she has not obtained new, but linen has been borrowed from other places, Brighton or Windsor, to make it up—I never heard of the linen belonging to Elizabeth, or her friends, being used to meet any exigency—I have not ex
<lb/>amined the stock of linen to see that it corresponds with the account—it would be my duty to do so if I had a doubt—if a complaint was made that linen was wanted, we should trust to the party who had it—nobody filled a situation above Elizabeth—the written account of the linen is kept in the Lord Chamber
<lb/>lain's office—no accurate stock has been taken—it is difficult to do so without seeing the linen, which you cannot while the Court reside there—she would re
<lb/>ceive the new linen from the seamstress, and deliver it to the different servants below her as they required it—she would receive the old linen from the parties in charge of the palace—that which was worn out would be delivered by her to me or somebody connected with the office—it would wait the Lord Chamber
<lb/>lain's direction as to its ultimate disposal—the greater part of the condemned linen is in boxes—in some instances it is sent to the hospitals, and in others it waits the direction of his lordship—Sir Thomas Marsh was the deputy-chamberlain—he would have authority to act for his lordship—I do not know that there would be anything unusual in his allowing Elisabeth any old linen unfit for use—I do not know the fact that it was so—I know nothing about it—Sir Thomas Marsh has been dead, I think, five or six years—he acted in the reign of William IV., and has not held office in the present reign—some of the blankets are powdering ones, and some bed blan
<lb/>kets—I never heard any complaint of either of the prisoners—it was reported within the last six weeks that Elizabeth was about to be married.</p>
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<interp inst="t18440610-name-178" type="given" value="CHARLES"/>CHARLES BRIMFIELD</persName> </hi>. I live at No. 25, Upper Eaton-street, and am a servant out of employ. The male prisoner Dr. Lindsay lodged at my house upwards of five months—I have seen both the females visiting him there at times; not all the time he was there, but between two and three months—Ellen visited him more frequently than Elizabeth—they usually came in the evening, except on Sundays; they sometimes then came to tea with their brother—I never observed them bring anything—I have been in James Lind
<lb/>say's room when he was away—when he first came he had a very small quan
<lb/>tity of linen, no more than a gentleman would usually have—after he had been there some time I observed a great change; he had new linen, such as sheeting, towelling, and things of that description—I had observed nothing but gentlemen's linen previously—the only thing I particularly noticed was</p>
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<p>a counterpane marked "V. R., 1840"—I saw a corded box brought by a carrier—I saw the counterpane marked "V. R." after that box was brought—an intimation was given that Dr. Lindsay was about to leave, about three weeks previous to his leaving, but no regular notice; it was that he would leave at the latter end of May, or beginning of June—on the 21st of May I saw a cart stop at my house, and two large boxes were taken away-Dr. Lindsay was present when they were put in—I was coming down stairs, and he was on the stairs seeing the boxes put into the cart—he said he was taking the boxes away out of our way—the cart went to Mr. M'Nair's, No. 9, Bel
<lb/>grave-street South—it stopped previously at No. 17, Lower Eaton-street, and left two smaller boxes.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. KELLY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How long have you been out of place?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Between two and three years—I was last in the service of the Earl of Gains borough—I was only a month with him—I left him because I found there was a practice of robbery going on—I made it known to his lordship, and have every reason to believe the housekeeper was connected—she re
<lb/>futed everything I stated, in consequence of which I gave his lordship notice to leave—I was butler and steward—before that I was in the service of Sir Roger Gresley for three years, up to his death—I was out of service nearly twelve months before going to Lord Gainsborough—I was in the house I now have, doing nothing but letting lodgings—Dr. Lindsay intimated about leav
<lb/>ing about three weeks before he went—I understood he was going to Scot
<lb/>land—I had agreed with another lodger on the 21st of May, who was not coming for nearly a fortnight—he sent the boxes away the same day that I knew the lodger was coming, or the day after—I had an opportunity of see
<lb/>ing what linen was in his chest of drawers—I walked into his rooms frequently to see that everything was in its proper place—I opened his drawers.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were they locked or unlocked?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Unlocked when I saw them—I opened the drawers, as I had suspicion things were being carried into the house clandestinely—the drawers were the only place the linen was in—I first looked into his drawers about two months back, or between two and three months.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> How do you know that at first he had but little linen, and that belonging to himself?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Because it was marked with his initials—I saw it in his drawers—I looked into them before there was an increase—it might be curiosity induced me to look into the drawers—they were fre
<lb/>quently open, left ajar, and I had an opportunity of looking into them, going into the room—I first opened the drawers between two and three months ago—I might have looked in once or twice before—there was an increase—I will not swear it was not six times—I saw the drawers seve
<lb/>ral times left open, and had an opportunity of looking into them, without pulling them open at all—I never told him I had looked into his drawers—I found, on opening them, more linen than there was before—it was folded—I did not unfold it to examine it—I saw the counterpane in a large square box on the 20th of May, the day before the boxes were taken a way—that was the first time I saw it—the box was in his bed-room—it was open when I saw it—it had a lock, but was not locked, or corded—I only looked into the box that once, about twelve o'clock in the day—Dr. Lindsay was out at the time—there were some blankets at the top of the box, and the counterpane under them—they were all folded—I did not unfold them—I saw the mark on the counterpane without unfolding it—I took out the blankets—there were two—I think there were other things in the box which I did not touch—the "V. R." was a large stamp in the corner—I had seen the box arrive about</p>
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<p>the 7th of May—it was empty, and was put into his bed-room—I had been into the bed-room between the 7th and the 20th, and looked into the drawers, but not the box—the only thing I saw marked was the counterpane—I knew of some boxes with something in them, going to Mr. Graham's—I was not aware that Dr. Lindsay had any books—those boxes were invariably locked—I am not aware that he had any fossils—I knew nothing of Dr. Lindsay before he came—I heard he had served in the Navy—my wife saw the things in the drawers only once, to my knowledge—there are three large and two small drawers—they were mine, and were part of the furniture—both his rooms were on the second floor—there is a passage between them—there were no drawers in the sitting-room.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CLARKSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> The box on the 7th of May came empty?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—Dr. Lindsay came first to lodge with me at the latter end of December—I think it was in April I first observed linen I had not seen when he first came—I am sure it was before May—I first saw some towelling and sheeting in his bed-room drawers—I think I gave information of this to Mr. Murray, at the palace, the beginning of May—it was after the box came, and before I knew Dr. Lindsay was going to leave—it might be a fortnight before—he was a weekly tenant—Lord Gainsborough's housekeeper remained in his service when I left.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> After you made a communication to Mr. Murray, did Steed, the policeman, come to your house?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, and saw the different things in the prisoner's room, in my presence—the other lodger was not coming the day the goods were removed—I do not know whether Dr. Lindsay was aware that he was not coming for a fortnight—no property belonging to Dr. Lindsay was removed—none of his personal linen was re
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<interp inst="t18440610-name-179" type="given" value="ELIZABETH"/>ELIZABETH BRIMFIELD</persName> </hi>. I am the last witness's wife. The prisoner James lodged on our second floor—I was in the habit of seeing both his sisters there, separately—Ellen came most frequently—they sometimes came to him at five o'clock, but more generally between eight and nine in the evening—they at times brought things—I never saw but one bring anything, that was Ellen—I saw her bring a brown paper parcel about the middle of March—I have seen her bring brown paper parcels on several occasions—the last time was about a week before Dr. Lindsay was apprehended—I have at times gone into his room, and observed the drawers—when I at first saw them they contained his wearing apparel, and nothing else—I afterwards saw, from time to time, the things in the drawers increased, and saw towels, and new linen, I suppose for sheeting, but not made up—I remember about the middle of March a box being brought to the lodgings—a small hat-box was brought a few days after the large box—another large box was brought on the 7th of May.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> After the last large box came, did you go into the prisoner's room, and notice anything there?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No more than I have seen before in the drawers—there was a large brown paper parcel, which contained two blankets—I be
<lb/>lieve I saw a counterpane, sewed up in some flannel, and laid in a drawer—I never saw it open—it was wrapped in flannel—when Ellen came she generally went first into the sitting-room, and afterwards into the bed-room—I have heard them lock the bed-room door when Dr. Lindsay and Ellen have been in the bed-room—I remember the day Dr. Lindsay removed the boxes—Ellen came to the house the evening before that, and they were very busy in the bed-room that night—I saw the bed-room door was shut—I cannot say whether it was locked—I could hear paper, and hear them very busy about in the room—Ellen remained about an hour, I think—I saw the boxes put into the van next day—Dr. Lindsay was coming in and out up to the time of his apprehension,</p>
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<p>which was on the Wednesday, the day after the boxes were removed—before the box came on the 7th of May, Dr. Lindsay said a packing-case would come from the country—it was an empty box.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. KELLY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What part of the house do you in
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> The kitchens and attic—when I heard the noise of paper in the bed-room, I was on the landing at the top of the stairs, listening—I had been in the habit of listening at the door from about the middle of March, when I first suspected things were not right—the noise was the wrapping up of two large blankets, papering and sealing it, and packing a hat-box—it was wrap
<lb/>ping up something—my servant had been applied to for a hammer and nails be
<lb/>fore that—the large box was corded up before the hammer and nails were asked for—he asked for them the day before the boxes were removed—he asked for them for packing or nailing some small boxes—I first looked into the drawers, after the boxes came, some time in March—I found the drawers locked—they were always locked after the linen was in them—I swear that—my husband showed me the linen—I did not unlock the drawers—I do not know that my husband did—he called me into the room, but I have tried the drawers before, and found them locked—I did not ask him how he opened the drawers—he told me he did it with another key—he has showed me the contents of the drawers several times between March and the 21st of May—Dr. Lindsay was always out when they were looked at.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you ever open the drawers with a key, or see it done?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, only with my husband—the bed-room door was never locked, it was always left open—at the time I heard them lock the bed-room door I was on the flight above, listening—I am quite sure it was the bed-room door I heard locked—Dr. Lindsay had named several times that he should go into the North, but I think he first intimated he was going to leave about three weeks or a month before—I believe it was on the 20th of May we engaged another lodger—it was a lady going to take the sitting-room—I mentioned it to him on the 20th—he told me he should keep his bed-room on till the 3rd of this month, but I might let in the lady—the two large boxes were packed up before the 20th—it was a hat-box, and large brown paper parcel, and some small boxes of his own they packed after the 20th—I was never present at any packing—he paid 14
<hi rend="italic">s</hi>. a week—his sisters frequently passed the evening with him, and sometimes took tea—I did not know them before he became my lodger—I never told him I had searched his drawers—I have borrowed a sovereign of him several times, when my husband has been out—never more than a sove
<lb/>reign—I do not know the contents of the small boxes which went to Mr. Graham's.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CLARKSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> When did you first see Steed?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Not till Dr. Lindsay was apprehended—my husband first showed me the key he opened the drawer with in March—it was the key of my own drawer—neither I nor my husband ever had occasion to go to Buckingham palace.</p>
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<interp inst="t18440610-name-180" type="given" value="ELLEN"/>ELLEN CASTLE</persName> </hi>. I was in the service of Mr. Brimfield—I went into their service on the 18th of March—itwas my duty to attend Dr. Lindsay's rooms and keep them in order—I went into his sitting-room, once and saw one or two counterpanes on the table—they appeared new—I did not see any mark on them—it was about three weeks or a month before he was apprehended—I never saw the counterpanes after—I saw two large boxes, and a band-box in his bed-room—I used to move them to sweep—they seemed rather heavy at all times—I have seen both the female prisoners come to see him very often, but Ellen most frequently—she sometimes came in time for tea, and generally left about nine o'clock—I have seen Ellen repeatedly in the bed-room—I did not observe whether she came out again immediately—I only heard them talking there—I do not know whether Dr. Lindsay went in when she was</p>
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<p>there—Ellen was there the night before he went away, not Elizabeth—she was in the bed-room while they were packing the boxes—only these two boxes were packed—he did not pack up his own linen or clothes—I saw a brown paper parcel in the bed-room closet—I took it in—it had been lying there a long time in the closet after I took it up—I had taken it in when I first entered the service—I do not suppose I had been there above a month—I believe it was brought there by Mrs. Stewart—I never saw it after it was put into the closet.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. KELLY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you put it into the closet?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No—I took it up—I am not sure whether to the bed-room or sitting-room—Dr. Lindsay put it into the cupboard I believe—it laid there a considerable time after—that was the last I saw of it—it was the parcel Mrs. Stewart brought—I took it in about two months before he left—I first saw the counterpanes about six weeks before he was apprehended—I saw them when I went into the room by accident—Dr. Lindsay was not there—I think he was in the bed-room—they were not folded up—they looked rather tumbled, and were on the middle table—I never saw them in the house afterwards—I saw some at Bow-street which appeared like them.</p>
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<interp inst="t18440610-name-181" type="given" value="JAMES"/>JAMES STEED</persName> </hi>. I am inspector of the A division of police. I am generally on duty at Buckingham palace—I had orders to go to Brimfield's house, and went on the 11th of May—Mr. Lindsay was out at the time—I went into his bed-room with Brimfield and saw a quantity of linen, counterpanes, and towels, which I afterwards saw at Mr. M'Nair's—I did not observe a mark on either of the counterpanes that day—the articles were in a chest of drawers—on the 22nd of May I went to Mr. M'Nair's, in Belgrave-street, with a search warrant, and found two large boxes there which I opened—they contained a variety of articles, linen, counterpanes, and blankets—I conveyed them to the Lord Chamberlain's office, Buckingham palace—they are here now—there was a counterpane marked "V. R." and a crown, a blanket with "W. R." and a crown, and a linen duster marked "V. R., 1839"—it appeared to have been marked with blue thread and picked out—the stain only is left—after con
<lb/>veying the boxes to Mr. Saunders' I apprehended James Lindsay—he was about to say something—I cautioned him, and told him the charge—and he said he must communicate with his sisters—he said there Iras no pro
<lb/>perty there belonging to the Queen—I told him there was a blanket, marked "W. R." and a crown—he then said he had charge of them for his sisters, whose perquisites they were, that he had nothing more to do with them—I searched his lodgings, and found a common plate, which I brought away—the words "Buckingham palace" are on it—I took him to the station-house, and had the plate with me—as I was conveying him there, he laid it was a paltry thing, could not I hide it—I afterwards apprehended the female prisoners—Elizabeth said, "What shall I do, can you give me any advice?"—which I declined—that is all she said—I produce the boxes—the counterpane appears new—the blanket has "W. R." and a crown on it—here is the duster, which has had "W. R." on it, but picked out—the blanket is an old one—here are other dusters and sheeting—there are eight blankets, five quilts, seven dozen and eight towels, four dozen and a half duster, and forty-two yards of sheeting—that is all that was in the boxes—the sheeting and dusters appear to be new, and some of the towels—on the 11th of May, when I went to Lindsay's lodgings, I saw articles of this description in the drawers—these appear to be the same—there were no fossils or books in the boxes at Mr. M'Nair's.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. KELLY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> On Wednesday the 22nd, you appre
<lb/>hended Dr. Lindsay?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, between eight and nine o'clock at night—I searched the boxes which went to Mr. Graham's, they contained books and fossils—there</p>
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<p>were two large boxes—I told Dr. Lindsay he must go to the station—, he made the observation about the plate at the door of the room, when we were about to leave the house—we were going in a
<hi rend="italic">cab</hi>—I had the plate in my hand when he made the observation about it—it was open, so that anybody could see it as I crossed the pavement—I was in plain clothes—I kept it open in my hand till I got to the station—I had procured a
<hi rend="italic">cab</hi> beforehand—I think Brimfield had sent for it—it was at the door when I went out—I had told him I was going to take him in a
<hi rend="italic">cab</hi>, and it was at the door that this passed about the plate—the observation was made at the room door—I examined the things at M'Nair's on the 22nd, before he was apprehended—I examined the things at Graham's on the following Saturday—he gave me a written order to examine the boxes at Graham's, after he was apprehended, on Saturday, as I asked him for it—I did not examine every thing at the lodging on the 11th of May—they were in the drawers—I did not take them out, nor observe any mark on them, except the plate, which I saw in the front-room cupboard, not locked up.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CLARKSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> The female prisoners made state
<lb/>ments before the Magistrate, at what period of the examination was it?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> The latter part, I believe—it was at the first examination—I believe the charge was taken as affecting the whole property—there were not three separate charges—I knew nothing of Brimfield till I was ordered to go to his house—I received orders from Mr. Murray to investigate the case—Brim
<lb/>field never told me he had a key of his lodger's drawers—I saw him open them with a key on the 11th of May.</p>
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<interp inst="t18440610-name-182" type="given" value="HENRY"/>MR. HENRY SAUNDERS</persName> </hi>
<hi rend="italic">re-examined.</hi> These are all the sort of articles which would be under the charge of Elizabeth Lindsay—the towels and dusters, and these articles would be under her charge from the time they arrived from Harrington House, St. James's, in the Stable-yard—articles of this de
<lb/>scription were used at the palace—these dusters are entirely new—I find one has the mark picked out—I imagine the others have had the marks picked out, for they are all new, and each corner has been washed—these articles are entirely new—none of those which are not new could have been condemned.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL</hi>
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were these things the servants would have as perquisites?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Certainly not.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CLARKSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were the prisoner appointed by warrant?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I cannot say—some of the blankets are old, and there are new ones—I have taken stock as far as the linen is concerned—it is impossible to take stock of the counterpanes and blankets—it is almost impossible to tell, where the Sovereign is, whether articles are deficient.</p>
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<persName id="t18440610-name-183" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18440610-name-183" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-183" type="surname" value="M'NAIR"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-183" type="given" value="ROBERT"/>ROBERT M'NAIR</persName> </hi>. I live at No. 9, Belgrave-street, Pimlico, and am an officer in the army—I have known the male prisoner eighteen months or two years—two or three months ago he told me he was going on a visit to Scot
<lb/>land, and expressed some difficulty where he should leave his heavy luggage in his absence—I understood it was books and fossils, as he told me he had a quantity of books and fossils, and found a difficulty in leaving his heavy lug
<lb/>gage behind him, as he should give up his lodgings—I said I should be happy to take charge of them, and on the 21st of May, when I came home from duty, I found two boxes had been left and placed on the top of the landing of the stairs—they remained there till next day, when the officers came—I saw them opened after the inspector came.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. KELLY</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> He is a M. D. is he not?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes, he was a surgeon in the navy—he first announced his intention of going to Scotland perhaps before the present year—he thought he should visit Scotland during the summer.</p>
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<persName id="t18440610-name-184" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18440610-name-184" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-184" type="surname" value="DAVIES"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-184" type="given" value="JOSEPH"/>JOSEPH DAVIES</persName> </hi>. I am in the employ of Mr. Harding who carried the linen to and from Buckingham palace to the laundress at Fulham—I received a square deal box about five weeks ago from Ellen Lindsay to take to Mr. James Lindsay—I took it to Mr. Brimfield's—it was only one box and empty.</p>
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<persName id="t18440610-name-185" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18440610-name-185" type="gender" value="male"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-185" type="surname" value="BOUSTRED"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-185" type="given" value="JOHN ROBERT"/>JOHN ROBERT BOUSTRED</persName> </hi>. I am clerk at the police-court, Bow-street—I attended the examination of the prisoners, and took down what they said—this is what I truly took down—it was signed by them and also by the Magistrate.</p>
<hi rend="italic">Cross-examined by</hi>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CLARKSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was it in answer to questions put to them?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Partly so—Elizabeth made a statement first, and she was merely asked in explanation by Mr. Hall—I read every sentence as I went on—I do not think this, "I never mentioned to Mr. Saunders about using my own linen" was in answer to a question—I do not recollect that she was asked whether she had mentioned it to Mr. Saunders—she might have been asked that—I think she was asked when her mother died, and also whether she intended her remarks to apply to both the palaces, and whether she had used her sister's linen at the palace—she was not asked whether she considered the property her own—the questions only applied to the last one or two sentences—I think the Lord Chamberlain and Sir William Martin, the deputy Cham
<lb/>berlain, were present—none of the household servants were in attendance.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. ADOLPHUS</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Was she cautioned before she said anything?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—she was told whatever she said would be taken down in writing, and might or might not be hereafter used as evidence against her—no question was asked to gain information from her, only in explanation of what she had said before—(
<hi rend="italic">read</hi>)—"Elizabeth Lindsay, after having been duly cautioned says, This property I considered my own; my mother left a quantity of linen to my sister, and she left it with me at St. James's-palace where I then resided. I had occasion to resort to that linen from time to time to use when pressed for linen for the household; with respect to the four blankets now produced, they were given to me by the late Sir Thomas Marsh during the time of his late Majesty, they had been condemned as unfit for use; I told Sir Thomas Marsh they were little fit for use, that they might be used for ironing blankets, and he told me I might do with them what I pleased; with respect to the new linen produced, I took that to re-place the linen belonging to my sister which I had used at the palace. The counterpane marked "V. R." I know nothing of, I suppose my sister does; I was not aware that the duster which has been produced was among the linen. My mother died about fourteen years ago. When I speak of the need of linen, I mean that observa
<lb/>tion to apply to Buckingham palace as well as St. James's palace, until the present time—I never mentioned to Mr. Saunders about using my own linen at any time.—The prisoner Ellen Lindsay says, 'I confirm what my sister has Said; the counterpane marked "V. R." I must have taken by mistake for my own counterpane. I know nothing about the duster. The plate I took to my brother's with a piece of pudding, and he has asked me once or twice to take it back, and I have neglected it.'—The prisoner James Lindsay says,' I always considered that the property which they brought to me was theirs; they told me so, and I took charge of it for a time for them. I never received it under any other impression than that; that observation applies to every article spoken of.'"</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Were the linen and other articles before the Magistrate?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> They were—these things were all produced.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. CLARKSON</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> There was no professional person in attendance for them at the time these statements were made?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> No, only on the second examination.</p>
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<hi rend="italic">Evidence for the Defence.</hi> </p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18440610-name-186" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18440610-name-186" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-186" type="surname" value="CHEVERTON"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-186" type="given" value="MARY"/>MARY CHEVERTON</persName> </hi>. I am employed as charwoman at the Queen's palace, Pimlico—I have been so six years and three months—I have been in the habit of receiving for use sheets, pillow-cases, towels, dusters, and other things—they were given out by the prisoner Elizabeth—I have had them frequently from her without marks, and used them in the Queen's service—I returned them to her—I have had them a great many times while I have been there—the prisoners had linen of their mother's—I did not know their mother—I have seen the prisoners with linen of their own—I cannot say what quantity, but a great many articles—I have known Elizabeth twenty-two years—I re
<lb/>member when the mother died—I saw those things in Elizabeth's possession when the sister came to London—Elizabeth was at that time employed in St. James's palace—I have known the sister since she has been in London, twelve or thirteen years.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Did you work at St. James's palace?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I did occasionally—I first went to work there fourteen years ago—I think in George IV. time—I was employed occasionally now and then, a few days in a year—not as I am now—the different heads employed me—I have been at St. James's palace a fortnight, and then two or three days preparing for the arrival in London—I have been employed regularly every day at Bucking
<lb/>ham palace for six years and three months—I saw the linen Elizabeth had at St. James's palace with a Miss Cockett that she was with at first—that was thirteen or fourteen years ago—she named to me that she had linen—I saw her with sheets and blankets among her clothes—she merely said, "These are my mother's"—they were in a box put separately—I never saw what quantity there was—I cannot form a notion—I cannot say that I saw them more than once at St. James palace—I may be wrong as to its being fourteen years ago—I do not recollect noticing them again—I did not see any but what I have named—all the linen delivered to me at Buckingham palace I returned to her when I had done with it—it was her duty to send it to the wash.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. BODKIN</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you remember whether this was about the time the sister came from the country?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> It was after she had just come from the country—I had gone to see her—she showed me the box containing the arti
<lb/>cles—her sister was not present—I believe Miss Cockett was seamstress at the palace—the articles belonging to the palace were kept at the office where Miss Cockett resided then—these things were in her private room where her clothes were kept, not where the King's property was kept—I afterwards saw that sort of linen, sheets and blankets used in St. James's palace—I could not tell that they were the same—I frequently had them without the royal mark.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> What is your business as char woman?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I make the beds and keep the apartments clean allotted to me—I returned a sheet with
<lb/>out the royal mark as late as last week.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18440610-name-187" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18440610-name-187" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-187" type="surname" value="SUMMERS"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-187" type="given" value="ELIZA"/>ELIZA SUMMERS</persName> </hi>. I have been a regular charwoman at the palace for nearly seven years. During that time I have occasionally received dusters without the royal mark—I have not noticed them every time I took them—it has occasionally happened during that time—after using them I returned them to Miss Lindsay.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you mean a number of dusters were delivered out without the mark, or among the number there would be oc
<lb/>casionally one without a mark?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> One or two—I may have noticed this once a week or not so often, not once a month particularly—I will say once in three months—I may have noticed two or three and taken them back—some were the same description as the others—they have not been all alike—some of those unmarked were different from the other dusters—there were</p>
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<p>some unmarked ones like the others—I frequently found unmarked dusters like the marked ones.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18440610-name-188" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18440610-name-188" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-188" type="surname" value="HOLMES"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-188" type="given" value="JANE"/>JANE HOLMES</persName> </hi>. I have been six years in the Queen's palace, at Pimlico, as charwoman, regularly employed during that time. I have had from Eliza
<lb/>beth Lindsay dusters and towels, and frequently had them without the royal mark, for the whole six years—I have noticed them several weeks, week after week, and month after month—I have had sheets without the royal mark, and a pillow-case—they were used in the palace—I have known her give other people in the palace linen without the royal mark.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Are you employed with others, or is yours a separate department?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> A separate department—we all receive the linen from Elizabeth Lindsay—I receive half-a-dozen dusters every day—both the marked and unmarked were sometimes of the same description—I received a dozen towels each day, sometimes unmarked—I did not examine, but should say they were about the same description of towels—I have had sheets un
<lb/>marked twice during the six years—the last time was when Prince Holen
<lb/>holme came over—I drew them to make the beds—I think this was two or three years ago—that was the last time I drew the sheets—there was one pair then unmarked—I never observed but that one pair.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">BODKIN</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> They were for the Prince's suite?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Yes—I cannot say whether the arrival was unexpected—we have about four regular char
<lb/>women—the number of extra ones varies.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18440610-name-189" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18440610-name-189" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-189" type="surname" value="VAUGHAN"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-189" type="given" value="ANN"/>ANN VAUGHAN</persName> </hi>. I am a housemaid at the palace. I do not know how many housemaids there are—it is our duty to receive the bed and other linen from Miss Lindsay—I have been employed there six years, and received linen from her during all that time, according as we want it—it depends on the number of visitors—I receive towels, dusters, sheets, and pillow-cases every day, and if company come we have more—I very frequently had dusters de
<lb/>livered out without a mark—I cannot say about towels—I did not notice them—I frequently had dusters without a mark, sometimes one, two, or three out of a dozen, which we have at a time—they have not always been of the same kind—I have not had eight or ten in a week without a mark—they were returned to Miss Lindsay with the others—I receive about three dozen dusters in a week—it is according to the work—I may change eight one day, and six another—we take back the dirty, and get clean ones—there may be twenty housemaids—they all apply to Miss Lindsay for linen—she directs the change of linen—nobody but the housemaids and charwomen apply to her—all the housemaids draw chamber-towels—I may have had unmarked towels, and not noticed them, or sheets—I had an un
<lb/>marked duster among a dozen, the week before last—I have noticed two, three, and four in a week—I have not applied for linen and not obtained it—I never wanted much.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> From whom do you draw linen now?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> Mrs. Potbury—I have dusters and towels from her, and have found one unmarked since.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18440610-name-190" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18440610-name-190" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-190" type="surname" value="SHOT"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-190" type="given" value="SARAH KING"/>SARAH KING SHOT</persName> </hi>. I am a housemaid at the palace, and have been so three years next October. I drew towels and dusters from Miss Lindsay sometimes three dozen in a day—we have them every day—I have had both towels and dusters without marks—I had a towel about ten days ago—it has not occurred very often—I have sometimes had two or three out of three dozen—it often occurred during the three years, but I did not take particular notice till the last twelve months—I have had good ones unmarked—before that I have had old ones without marks repeatedly—I had one pillow-case unmarked—I have had sheets, but none unmarked, that I observed—I have</p>
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<p>not applied for linen, and not got it—about two months ago I asked for towels and got them in the evening.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18440610-name-191" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18440610-name-191" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-191" type="surname" value="HOBBS"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-191" type="given" value="HANNAH"/>HANNAH HOBBS</persName> </hi>. I am a housemaid at the palace, and have been so about seven years. I drew sheets, towels, dusters, and pillow-cases from Miss Lindsay, sometimes two dozen towels at a time; a dozen or half a dozen dusters, seven or eight pairs of sheets, I had towels, and dusters every day; sheets and pillow-cases twice a week, and sometimes once a week or fortnight,—during that seven years some of them have been unmarked—I observed a pair of sheets without marks about a month ago, and have seen several dusters without a mark—on only one occasion I had a towel without a mark—the pillow-cases have always been marked—the dusters may have been unmarked five or six times, sheets only once that I noticed—I think I noticed a duster about a month ago—there are nearly thirty housemaids—I have ap
<lb/>plied for linen at different times, and could not obtain it—I have applied to Miss Lindsay, and obtained it perhaps next day—I have not been days with
<lb/>out it, to my knowledge.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MRS. FORD</hi>. I am housemaid at the palace, and have been so three years. I had sheets, pillow-cases, and other linen from Miss Lindsay, and had to wels and dusters without marks; I cannot say how often—I cannot say about sheets—I have applied for articles, and had to wait for them; I cannot say how long.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
<persName id="t18440610-name-192" type="witnessName">
<interp inst="t18440610-name-192" type="gender" value="female"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-192" type="surname" value="HARDING"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-name-192" type="given" value="SOPHIA"/>SOPHIA HARDING</persName> </hi>. I am laundress to the Queen, and have been so ten years. During that time I have received linen from Miss Lindsay, and have noticed sheets, pillow-cases, towels, and dusters without the Queen's mark—it frequently happened at the latter part of the time—I may have had a dozen towels and dusters unmarked at a time, some pillow-cases and sheets—they have come every time linen came, which is every day.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">MR. SOLICITOR-GENERAL</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you mean every day you would find towels, dusters, pillow-cases, and sheets unmarked
<hi rend="italic">? A.</hi> Yes; that has oc
<lb/>curred during the whole ten years—the things came to me every day at certain seasons of the year, when her Majesty was in town—within the last two years I have every day found a great number of unmarked dusters, towels, and pillow-cases—I should rather think thatsome of the same things which came unmarked, and which I sent back, came again—some of them had not any mark, and others had marks which were not her Majesty's marks—there were various letters, M and L, and a variety of letters—I have seen towels, dusters, sheets, and pillow-cases so marked.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">COURT</hi>.
<hi rend="italic">Q.</hi> Do you mean that there have been for this length of time things coming which you knew not to be the Queen's property?
<hi rend="italic">A.</hi> I have supposed them not to be the Queen's, because they were not marked with her name—they came counted with her Majesty's linen—I cannot say to whom they belonged—I never made any inquiry how they came there, be
<lb/>cause they were sent with the others, and I of course thought it was right.</p>
<hi rend="smallCaps">
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<interp inst="t18440610-1557-verdict-1" type="verdictCategory" value="notGuilty"/>
<interp inst="t18440610-1557-verdict-1" type="verdictSubcategory" value=""/>NOT GUILTY</rs> </hi>.</p>
<p>(There were two other indictments, on which no evidence was offered.)</p>
<hi rend="italic">First Jury, before Mr. Recorder.</hi> </p> </div1></div0>

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