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<p>GEORGE DELEVAUD sworn. - Examined by Mr. Knowlys. I have a post in the Custom-house: The prisoner was
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<p>Q. You had that office before he entered into it? - A. I had, above a month; he entered into it the 9th of July, 1795.</p>
<p>Q. The account is kept in this way - debtor and creditor? - A. Yes; this is the original account; the whole of it appears to be kept in the prisoner's hand-writing, except the last column, containing the names of the persons to whom he paid the money.</p>
<p>Q. How long did he continue in that office before he was taken up? - A. He was taken up the 2d or 3d of December, 1796; he entered the office the 9th of July, 1795; he was put under my instruction, to qualify him for the office.</p>
<p>Q. You know his hand-writing? - A. I do.(Produces a parcel of craves for money). Every one of these craves are his hand-writing.</p>
<p>Q. What is the course of the business, as to the money received by the person, and afterwards accounted for by him? - A. There is usually 50l. entrusted to the Clerk of the Postage.</p>
<p>Court. Q. For the purpose of paying the officers their craves? - A. Yes, when they are allowed by the Board.</p>
<p>Mr. Knowlys. Q. When that sum, originally impressed, is expended, he applies for a fresh impress? - A. Yes.</p>
<p>Q. Who are the Commissioners of the Customs? - A. Thomas Boone, Esq. Welbore
<persName id="t17970215-59-person531"> Ellis Agar
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<persName id="t17970215-59-person532"> William Hey
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<persName id="t17970215-59-person533"> Alexander Munro
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<persName id="t17970215-59-person534"> William Roe
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<persName id="t17970215-59-person535"> Francis Fownes
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<p>Cross-examined by Mr. Const. Q. All that I collect from you is, that the book is the hand-writing of the prisoner? - A Yes.</p>
<p>Q. And the papers are his hand-writing? - A. Yes.</p>
<p>Court. Q. The officer has 50l. in hand, when that is out he craves for 50l. more; how often does he make up his account? - A. Every time his crave is out.</p>
<p>Mr. Const. Q. Does he in his office give any security for the due performance of it? - A. Yes, he does; the sum of 500l.</p>
<p>Court. Q. What is his salary? - A. 100l. per annum.</p>
<p>Mr. Garrow. Q. For this duty, and this only? - A. Yes.(A crave read).</p>
<p>Honourable Sirs, - I humbly beg leave to inform the Honourable Board, the impress of 50l. granted to me the 14th of July last, to pay the officers, has been paid, except 4s. 7d. I humbly crave of the Board an impress, to pay the future demands.(The account in the book read.)</p>
<p>On the 16th of July, the sum of 2l. 3s. 4d. paid to
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<p>21st of July, 1l. 3s. 6d. paid to
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<p>21st of July, 4l. 5s. 2d. to
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<p>Q. (The Book shewn to the Witness). Look at the book? - A. That is the prisoner's handwriting.</p>
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<persName id="t17970215-59-person539"> JOHN WILKES
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<interp inst="t17970215-59-person539" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> sworn. - Examined by Mr. Abbott. I am clerk to Mr. Brown, Clerk of the Surveyors' books.</p>
<p>Q. Look at that book - do you find your name there? - A. Yes; Surveyor, 19 letters inward, and 12 outward, 2l. 3s. 4d. -
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<p>Q. That is your signature? - A. Yes.</p>
<p>Q. Whether you are not in the practice of receiving postage-money for the use of your principal, Mr. Brown, Surveyor of sloops? - A. Yes.</p>
<p>Q. Was that 2l. 3s. 4d. paid to you at the time of the transaction? - A. I am going to look at a book, in which I kept the account.</p>
<p>Q. At the time you received the money, you signed your name? - A. Yes.</p>
<p>Mr. Garrow. Q. What is the nature of the memorandum you are going to refer to? - A. The account of the letters I received, and the money I paid.</p>
<p>Court. Q. What is the date in the book? - A. The 16th of July, 1796.</p>
<p>Q. Do you find any thing in that book of the 16th of July, 1796? - A. Between the 5th and 7th, 3s. 4d. and between the 7th and 15th, 3s. 6d. I enter this, before I make the crave.</p>
<p>Q. Have you any where in the book, about the 14th of July, a charge of the sum of 2l. 3s. 4d.? - A. I have not.</p>
<p>Q. Did you receive the 3s. 4d. at the time you delivered in the account, or some time after? -Some time after; I delivered the crave into the Board, and after their order I received it.</p>
<p>Q. Did you ever receive more than you put down in your memorandum? - A. Never.</p>
<p>Q. You never received more than the craves, and never craved more than you put down? - A. Never.</p>
<p>Q. You find in your memorandum, you mentioned a charge of 3s. 6d.? - A. Between the 7th and 15th of July, I delivered in to Manning an account of 3s. 6d. and that 3s. 6d. appears to be received.</p>
<p>Q. Look into the book, you will see a charge of 1l. 3s. 6d - did you receive 1l. 3s. 6d.? - A. I believe I did not.</p>
<p>Q. You craved the sum of 3s. 6d.? - A. Yes.</p>
<p>Court. Q. Did you charge no more to your principal, on that day, than 3s. 6d.? - A. I did not.</p>
<p>Court. Q. You are sure you received no more than 3s. 4d. the first time, and no more than 3s. 6d. this time? - A. I did not.</p>
<p>Q. Did you charge them more than this? - A. I did not.</p>
<p>Q. Did you receive more? - A. I did not.</p>
<p>Cross-examined by Mr. Raine. Q. When you have settled with Manning, have you not been allowed for subsequent sums? - A. Never.</p>
<p>Q. Has it ever happened to others that you know? - A. No, I do not.</p>
<p>Q. This bearing date the 14th before the next crave, has not more been paid you than was allowed by the Board? - A. Never to me.</p>
<p>Q. You never knew it happen? - A. Never.</p>
<p>Q. Don't you recollect a sum being added of 12s. and 9s.? - A. Yes; but there was a crave made prior to that, by Mr. Brown, and the Board made an order of payment.</p>
<p>Q. Are you sure it was not paid you by Manning before the crave was made? - A. No, it was not; I was paid on the day of my crave; the letter is, the Surveyor of sloops, for letters inward and outward, 9s; the next line, 12s. for one letter.</p>
<p>Q. The two sums were consolidated though by two craves? - A. Yes.</p>
<persName id="t17970215-59-person541"> SAMUEL THACKERY
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<interp inst="t17970215-59-person541" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> sworn. - Examined by Mr. Garrow. I am clerk to Mr. Cooper, Solicitor for London.</p>
<p>Q. I find, of your's on the 21st of July, 4l. 5s. 2d. did you receive that sum; if you did not, what did you receive? - A. These are my original craves.</p>
<p>Q. They contain the whole you had a right to demand? - A. I paid 1l. 5s. 2d. I craved 1l. 5s. 2d.</p>
<p>Q. How much did you receive? - A. 1l. 5s. 2d.</p>
<p>Q. You are sure you did not, as this book imports, receive 4l. 5s. 2d.? - A. Yes.</p>
<p>Q. You are positive of it? - A. I am positive;(reads) Solicitor for London, inwards 2l, outwards 19, amount 4l. 5s. 2d.</p>
<p>Q. You are sure you did not receive 4l. 5s. 2d. only 1l. 5s. 2d.? - A. I am sure.</p>
<p>Q. You have the original crave that is indorsed with his hand-writing? - A. Yes.</p>
<p>Q. How came you to have your crave back? - A. It should have been left with the prisoner; I had omitted to enter them in my book at the time I delivered the crave, and therefore I borrowed it of the prisoner to enter it in my book.</p>
<p>Q. Whenever your craves were made, your letters were delivered as vouchers, for him to correct the craves? - A. Yes.</p>
<p>Q. Then the crave was kept? - A. Yes; and the vouchers returned to me.</p>
<p>Q. Did it ever happen, that you demanded or received more money than was disbursed, or appeared by the letters? - A. Never; he delivers a
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<p>Q. It never can happen, that the sum paid to you exceeds your craves? - A. Never.(Mr. Const addressed the Jury on the part of the prisoner; the principal ground of defence was, that his accounts were unsettled, that it was a mistake, and that he had not had time to rectify it.)</p>
<p>The prisoner called six witnesses, who gave him a very good character.
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