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<p>568, 569, 570. (M.)
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-off208" type="offenceSubcategory" value="grandLarceny"/> stealing sixteen linen handkerchiefs, value 8 s. and two silk handkerchiefs, value 2 s. </rs> the property of persons unknown; and
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<persName id="t17671021-41-person391"> John Noaks
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-person391" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> . I had information that the prisoner,
<persName id="t17671021-41-person392"> James Murphy
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<persName id="t17671021-41-person393"> John Fielding
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-person393" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> granted a warrant to search his house; we were told if we came and watched his house, we should see pickpockets go in with things; I, Heley, and Hartley, went and watched at seven in the morning, and waited; after some time Heley said, there is one gone in then Hartley ran across, and took Lloyd before I got in; we had observed Murphy, who is a taylor, at work upon a coat two hours, we could see him through the window; when I came in, Hartley asked Lloyd for the bundle he brought in; Lloyd said, he knew nothing of a bundle, he denied seeing any; I said, we must search the house for it; in searching about there was a bundle of eighteen handkerchiefs, sixteen cotton ones, and two silk, found between the grate and a board that stood before it in the fore-room (produced in court;) Sir
<persName id="t17671021-41-person394"> John Fielding
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-person394" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> has advertised them, but no owners came; in the search Mrs. Murphy offered me her pocket to search; I said the bundle could not be put in that.</p>
<p>Q. What sort of handkerchiefs are they?</p>
<p>Noaks. They are all of different sorts, not two alike; Lloyd said he came with a coat to be mended; I said, I had seen Murphy working two hours upon that coat, as we had been watching the house; we took up Lloyd and Murphy.</p>
<persName id="t17671021-41-person395"> John Heley
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-person395" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> . I was at the house of Mrs. Clark opposite Murphy's house, in Playhouse yard, Whitecross-street; I saw Lloyd come down the street, with a bundle in a handkerchief under his arm; I had seen him before, and knew him; we had been told there was a back way to the house, we went out, Hartley went to the back door, and I to the front in the street; I heard Hartley cry, halloo; I went; he said I have one in custody, which was Lloyd. Lloyd had then no bundle. he denied having any; we searched very particularly under the shop-board where Murphy was at work, and could not find the bundle; we were going away; Noaks said, I shall have another look; in going to the fire-place, here it is said he, and took it up; I said, I knew it to be the same bundle that he brought in; Murphy said he brought in no bundle, he brought in this coat, (meaning a coat he was at work upon.)</p>
<p>Q. Might not Lloyd bring in that coat for what you know?</p>
<p>Heley. I know Lloyd brought in a bundle, and I saw Murphy working upon that coat, I dare say two hours that morning.</p>
<persName id="t17671021-41-person396"> David Hartley
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-person396" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> . I went with Noaks and Heley: I saw a lad coming down the street with a bundle tied in a handkerchief, I saw him go into Murphy's house; I was in a hurry to get to the back-door, I went in and took him; I asked him where the bundle was that he brought in; he said he brought none in; Murphy said, he brought in that coat he was at work upon; I had seen him at work on that coat two hours, or thereabouts; we searched the whole house, and I do not remember seeing any other coat in the house; I saw the bundle found near the fire-place concealed.</p>
<p>Q. to Noaks. Did you see any other coat in the house but what Murphy was at work upon?</p>
<p>Noaks. I saw one in a drawer, which Murphy said was his own coat.</p>
<persName id="t17671021-41-person397"> Susanna Clark
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-person397" type="gender" value="female"/> </persName> . I live facing Mr. Murphy.</p>
<p>Q. What are you?</p>
<p>S. Clark. I do business for a cabinet-maker; I have seen many boys go into Murphy's house at different times, and have seen them carry handkerchiefs in, and have seen Mrs. Murphy pay them money upon the counter, I could see it cross the way; when they thought I watched them, they used to go in at the back-door; but when they got into the house, I could see them open the handkerchiefs.</p>
<persName id="t17671021-41-person398"> Bartholomew Fenton
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-person398" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> . About three quarters of 2 year ago, I was drawn into bad company, and did many robberies; Murphy and his wife used
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<p>Lloyd's defence.</p>
<p>I was going down to Limehouse to see after some work on the Tuesday night, before the Wednesday that I was taken; coming home between eight and nine in the evening, I had occasion to ease myself; going down a gateway I found that bundle, I took and brought it home; and in the morning I saw what it was; and as Mr. Murphy had made me a coat and several things, and was making a coat at the time, I had seen two or three handkerchiefs hang at his door; I went to see whether he would buy them; I was afraid of getting into trouble, made me not own it at first.</p>
<p>He called seven people to his character, but none could give any account of him, or his behaviour for three or four years last past.</p>
<p>Murphy's defence.</p>
<p>I had a green coat to turn for this young man, he brought it in a bundle; I did not know where he lived; he desired me to get it turned and pressed; I had had it about nine days; then he agreed to let it alone a little while, I being busy; the week following he came for it; I promised he should have it by 12 o'clock the next day; about a quarter past eleven he came in, I was tying my garters, or buckling my shoes, I do not know which, I discerned something under his arm, but what it was I could not tell.</p>
<persName id="t17671021-41-person399"> Sarah Murphy
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<p>I know nothing of the young man; I never denied his bringing in any bundle, I saw no bundle that he brought.</p>
<p>To their character.</p>
<persName id="t17671021-41-person400"> Thomas How
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-person400" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> . I am a scowerer, and live in Whitecross-street; I have known Mr. Murphy eight or ten years; he is a very honest industrious man, and she a woman.</p>
<p>Q. Did you ever hear of their dealing in handkerchiefs?</p>
<p>How. No, I never did.</p>
<persName id="t17671021-41-person401"> John Griffin
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-person401" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> . I live in Playhouse-yard, Whitecross-street, I am a lath-maker; I have known Mr. Murphy and his wife above six years; he is an honest man, one that works hard for his family; this is all through a spiteful neighbour.</p>
<persName id="t17671021-41-person402"> John Brogden
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-person402" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> . I am a periwig-maker, and live in Whitecross-street; I have known him almost seven years; I look upon him to be a sober honest man.</p>
<persName id="t17671021-41-person403"> Edward Overion
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-person403" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> . I am a file-cutter; I have known him about four years; he is an honest man.</p>
<persName id="t17671021-41-person404"> John Underwood
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-person404" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> . I keep a haberdasher's shop in Whitecross street, I have known him four or five years, he is a very honest man.</p>
<persName id="t17671021-41-person405"> Daniel Yape
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-person405" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> . I never heard the man did any thing amiss in my life.</p>
<persName id="t17671021-41-person406"> James Hollingsworth
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-person406" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> . I am a tallow chandler, and live in Playhouse-yard; I have known him about six or seven years, I look upon him to be a very honest, sober, industrious man.</p>
<persName id="t17671021-41-person407"> John Ratford
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-person407" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> . Murphy is a tenant of mine; I am a bricklayer, I have known him about six years; he bears the character of a very honest worthy man.</p>
<persName id="t17671021-41-person408"> Thomas Hattersley
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-person408" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> . I am a smith, and live in Playhouse-yard; I have known him about four years; I never knew nothing of him, but that of an honest industrious man.</p>
<persName id="t17671021-41-person409"> Thomas Sutton
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<interp inst="t17671021-41-person409" type="gender" value="male"/> </persName> . I am a carpenter, and live in Playhouse-yard; I have known him about a year and a half; he bears the character of an honest worthy man.</p>
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<p>Murphy and his wife
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