29th October 1849
Reference Numbert18491029-1890
VerdictGuilty > unknown; Guilty > unknown

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1890. FREDERICK GEORGE MANNING and MARIA MANNING were indicted for the wilful murder of Patrick O'Connor.—They were also charged on the Coroner's inquisition with the like murder.


conducted the Prosecution. MR. BALLANTINE applied to the Court, on behalf of the female prisoner, on the ground of her being an alien, to award her a Jury de medietate linguae.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL resisted the application, and contended that the prisoner being the wife of a British-born subject, was not entitled to the Jury prayed for (see 7 and 8 Vic., c. 66, s. 16); and that even were she not the wife of a natural-born subject, yet being indicted jointly with a person who was a British subject, she would not be so entitled (see Barr's case, in Moor's Reports, letter e, page 8, and 2 Dyer's Reports, page 364).

MR. BALLANTINE stated that his application was founded on 6 Geo. IV., c. 50, s. 47, which preserved the rights granted by the statute of 28 Edmard III., and which rights were not to be annulled by the 7 and 8 Vic. (see "1st Comyn's Digest," letter d, page 540, relating to denizens.)

MR. PARRY (who was permitted to follow on the same side) urged that the privilege conferred upon an alien by the statute of Edward 3, could not be taken away by implication, or by anything but by express enactment; and the only way in which an alien could divest herself of that status would be by the consent of the Government of the country to which she belonged (see 2 Barnewall and Cresswell, page 779).

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL submitted, that the rights intended to be preserved by 6 George IV, were civil and personal rights only, and not the rights of a status. After some consideration, The

LORD CHIEF BARON gave judgment as follows: It appears to me that the statute of Victoria is an answer to the application. I forbear going into the other answer offered, on the authority of the decision in the Exchequer. I should not like to adopt hastily, and without much more consideration, the decision there given, as applicable to the present case; and if it rested upon that alone, I should certainly desire further time to consider; but it appears to me that the statute of Victoria is a complete answer to the application. By that statute, the wife of a natural-born subject becomes naturalized. The expression of the statute is, 'any woman married,' that is, already married, or 'who shall be married to a natural-born subject, or person naturalized, shall be deemed and taken to be herself naturalized, and have all the rights and privileges of a natural-born subject.' The obvious, plain, and natural inference from that, appears to me to be, that she should be considered exactly as if she had been naturalized by Act of Parliament, or as if she had been a natural-born subject; and the question then is, whether she can now claim a Jury de medietate linguae for herself, it being clear that her husband, who is a natural-born subject, cannot be tried by a Jury so constituted. The reason of the Court pausing for the moment, was for the purpose of obtaining what appeared to be a precise authority upon that point. There is, in Bacon's Abridgment, an authority to this extent: 'It hath been holden that denizens, so made by letters patent, are denizens within the meaning of this statute.' If that case had been before us, with that authority, it appears to me a fortiori a person made a denizen, or rather naturalized by Act of Parliament, would be, within the intent of the statute, a natural-born subject. The language of the Statute of Edward (and all that the modern statute does, is to leave the rights created under that statute unimpaired) is,"that in all manner of inquests and proofs to be taken or made among aliens and denizens, although

the King be party. "Well, now the question is, whether this be an issue to be taken between our Sovereign Lady the Queen and two persons, one of whom is a denizen, or natural-born subject, and the other an alien? The statute says, that Maria Manning is a natural-born subject, is to be deemed and taken to be naturalized; and I find it laid down in Hawkins in these words: 'It is holden that by denizens in this state, are meant not only those that are born within the King's dominions, but also those that are made denizens by the King's letters patent.' It is said that the statute intended to confer privileges, and to create new rights, but not to take away any privilege which existed before; and that was the whole scope of Mr. Parry's argument, not unentitled to some attention; but it appears to me that the answer to it is this, the status of the party is altered; all the privileges that were intended to be preserved are personal, as the learned Attorney-General pointed out with reference to the 14th section of the statute; there, all the personal privileges belonging to an individual are pre-served, but the privilege of being tried by a Jury de medietate linguae is not the individual personal privilege of the prisoner; it is the privilege of the status to which the prisoner belongs,—it is being an alien: ceasing to be an alien, she ceases to have that privilege, and it is not necessary to take that privilege away by express words; it is sufficient to alter her status: the moment she ceases to be an alien, the inquest to be taken, ceases to be an inquest between our Sovereign Lady the Queen and an alien; it is now an inquest between our Sovereign Lady the Queen and two persons, her natural subjects, and therefore the trial must be conducted in the ordinary way by a Jury of the country."

HENRY BARNES (policeman, K 256). In consequence of information I received on Friday, 17th Aug. last, I went with Burton to No. 3, Miniver-place, Bermondsey—the house was empty—I examined and searched it—Burton had opened the door with a key which he had in his possession—in the back kitchen my attention was attracted by a damp mark between the edges of two of the flagstones—I had heard that O'Connor was missing at that time—with Burton's assistance I removed the stones—there was mortar first under the stones, and then earth—the two stones appeared to have been recently removed—I proceeded to remove a portion of the earth—when I had got down about a foot, 1 discovered the toe of a man, and when I got about eighteen inches down, I discovered the loins of a man, the back of a man—at that time I had sufficiently removed the earth to ascertain the position in which the body was lying—it was lying on the belly, and the legs were brought back and tied up round the haunches with a strong cord, such as I should think was used as a clothes-line, about the size of a clothes-line—it was quite naked—I proceeded to remove more earth, and at length found the head and other parts forming the entire body—the body was embedded in slack lime—whilst I was doing this, Mr. Lock-wood, a surgeon, came in—I had then removed sufficient earth to show him the loins of the man—whilst the body was lying on the earth, Mr. Lockwood removed from the head a set of false teeth—the head was lower in the ground than the other parts of the body—I did not examine the bead closely, and did not see whether anything had happened to it—I removed the body from the hole, and removed it into the front kitchen—it was then examined in my presence by Mr. Lock wood and Mr. Odling, another surgeon—a person named Flynn came in before the body was removed from the hole; he also had an opportunity of examining the body—the body remained in the front kitchen on the night of the 17th and the day of the 18th, until an inquest was held—on the same day, the 17th, I went with Mr. Flynn to 21, Greenwood-street, Mile End-road—I there saw a box—it was sealed, but not locked—it had

been forced by Mr. Flynn on the 13th, in my presence—I am speaking of the outer box or trunk—in that box I found a cash-box, containing some IOU's and memorandums, but no cash—the papers were under the three top compartments, which were quite empty.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Tell me, as near as you can, what were the dimensions of the flag-stones? A. One was about two feet square, and the other about three feet long and two feet wide—they were thick heavy stones—I lifted them with a crow-bar—my brother constable, Burton, went out and borrowed one of some neighbour—the soil underneath was wet, it was maiden earth, such as would be filled in at the foundation of a house, lime-core, and clay—I am well acquainted with the premises—there is a small garden at the back—as you enter at the street-door you go into a passage, the front parlour is on the right-hand side—the front kitchen is under the front parlour, and the back kitchen under the back parlour—you have to go down stairs to get to the kitchen—there are houses on each side—they are small houses, of six rooms; two sleeping rooms, two parlours, and the kitchens—I cannot tell the nature of the partitions between the houses—I cannot say whether you can hear persons moving about and speaking in the adjoining houses; there were so many persons in the house, and so much bustle, that I did not try it.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. YOU say you removed the stones with a crow-bar, could you move them yourself? A, I used the crow-bar, and after that the shovel.

Q. Was it necessary to have more than one person to lift the stone? A. I held the crow-bar, and Burton held the stone up with a boat-hook while I raised it with the crow-bar, so that the two held it up.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. YOU say, in point of fact, that you and Burton acted together in removing the flag-stone, could you have removed the flag-stone yourself? A. Yes, quite easily.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was the mortar wet? A. Quite wet.

JAMES BURTON (policeman, 272). On Tuesday evening, 14th Aug., I went to the house in Miniver-place—a gentleman named Mead and Mr. Keating were there first—they got the key of a neighbouring house, and went in in that way, and then let me and Barnes in—I accompanied Barnes down to the back kitchen—we did not find the body on that evening—on that occasion I entered with a key which I had in my pocket, and let Barnes in—I went down into the back kitchen with him—I saw the stones removed from the floor and the body found—the size of the opening from which the body was taken was five feet long and two feet across, and between two and three feet deep—Mr. Bainbridge did not come in on that Friday—I went away before the body was taken out of the hole, so I could not say who came in—I did not see any shovel there; the things were all removed on the 15th—I saw Mr. Lockwood and Mr. Olding there—the body was removed into the front kitchen, and there seen by them.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. What was the date when you first went? A. On the 14th, accompanied by Mr. Keating, Mr. Mee, Mr. Parker, and John Wright, a constable—on that occasion I found twenty-eight or thirty pices of linen there—it was not new, but clean linen, piled up on shelves in a cupboard in the front kitchen, as if it had been washed—they were clean and doubled up—there were boxes in the house with a very few things in them—they were trunks, not travelling-cases or boxes such as goods are sent in—I did not see any of those—I found a shovel in the back kitchen; it is here—the broker took it away on Wednesday morning, the 15th—there were a

few shrubs, and different things growing in different parts of the garden—there were some scarlet-runners quite at the bottom of the garden.

SAMUEL MEGGITT LOCKWOOD . I am a surgeon, residing in Winter-terrace, Newington. On 17th Aug. I went to the house, 3, Miniver-place, in consequence of something I had heard in the course of that morning—I found the constables Barnes and Burton in the house—I went into the back kitchen—Barnes was there, I am not certain of Burton—there were two slabs removed, and he was taking away the dirt from the hole—a portion of both the feet were uncovered at the time I arrived—I saw the body entirely uncovered—the heels were bent back to the haunches, and tied down in that position, not across the loins, but across the thighs—before the body was removed from the hole I took from the mouth a set of false teeth—the body was removed into the front kitchen—Mr. Olding, another surgeon, was there at the time—he afterwards cut the cords with which the body was tied—that was at the post mortem—when the body had been removed into the front kitchen, I examined the head; there was a small protuberance over the right eye, it was hard and moveable, I cut down upon it, and found it to be a pistol-bullet or slug, which I produce; there was an aperture in the skull under the bullet, a little to the right of it, it was directly in the middle over the right eye, over the frontal bone; the bullet was perhaps an inch, or not quite so much, under the integuments, it had not come through—at the back part of the head I felt some very extensive fractures—I could not trace the course of the bullet on account of the extensive fractures behind, and also on account of the decomposition of the brain; in fact, it was nearly fluid—I am not aware what number of fractures there were on the head—there were sixteen pieces of bone removed—there were a great many wounds on the head—the wounds, I should suppose, were not produced by a blunt instrument, it must have been something sharp—they were incised wounds—they might have been produced by the end of a crow-bar or chisel—they were contused wounds as well as incised—they would be produced by such an instrument as I saw produced at the Southwark Police-court—that was a round bar of iron, with one end of it made like a chisel—the fractures were quite sufficient to have caused death, and no doubt the wound from the bullet would eventually have caused death—Mr. Olding made a post mortem examination in my presence—he examined the intestines and other organs, and they appeared perfectly healthy—the brain was perfectly decomposed.

CHARLES SLOW . I am summoning-officer of the Coroner's Court. I produce a set of false teeth, which I received from Mr. Lock wood.

MR. LOCKWOOD re-examined. I gave these teeth to Slow—I took them from the body of O'Connor.

WILLIAM COMLEY . I am a dentist, and reside in Osborne-street, White-chapel. I knew Patrick O'Connor, the deceased, as a patient—I sold this set of false teeth to him.

PIERCE WALSH . I knew the deceased O'Connor. On 17th Aug. last I went to 3, Miniver-place, Bermondsey—I did not get in that day, and went again the next day, I then saw the dead body of Patrick O'Connor lying in the back kitchen—it was the same Patrick O'Connor who was a gauger of the Customs, and lived at 21, Greenwood-street, Mile End-road—I had known him since 26th of last April, and had been frequently in his company—I saw him alive on 8th Aug.—I was with him at his lodgings, and accompanied him from there to Manning's house, 3, Miniver-place—I had been with him there before—Mrs. Manning let us in—it was about a quarter to ten o'clock—Mr. Manning was at home—we sat together for some time—after sitting

together some time, Mrs. Manning asked O'Connor why he did not come to dinner that day, saying, "We kept dinner waiting an hour; did you not get my note?"—O'Connor said he did not—I then remarked, perhaps it may have been late when you posted the letter, and he could not have received it at the hour he left the Docks, which was four o'clock, and she then said it was two, and he would get it to-morrow—O'Connor then said, "Mr. Walsh has got the balance of the bill to-day"—he said it was Mr. Pitt's bill, for which execution had been taken out by the officers of the Court in Charles-square, Hoxton—Mrs. Manning then asked, would he proceed against Pitt for the other three bills?—O'Connor said he would—nothing had been said before about these three bills—O'Connor and Mr. Manning then commenced smoking a pipe and talking on different subjects, and after O'Connor had smoked some time he became faint, and sat on the sofa, and then Mr. and Mrs. Manning got some brandy and water—he got the brandy, and she went for the water—O'Connor did not take any—after a short time he recovered from the fainting, and he and I left about a quarter past eleven—I went with him as far as Leman-street, Commercial-street, Whitechapel, on his way home, and we parted there at nearly twelve—he was in very good health then—I never saw him again till I saw his body on 18th Aug., as I have described—as far as I had an opportunity of observing, the Mannings were as friendly with him as brothers could be—his conversation could not have been addressed to Manning, because she spoke and he was listening.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q, When O'Connor became faint, was anything done to relieve him? A. Mrs. Manning procured something out of a bottle, which 1 think was eau-de-Cologne, and bathed his temples with it—he came to after that, but not immediately—I do not think that had the least effect in bringing him to—Mrs. Manning did not mention the names of the persons who had drawn the bills, or were connected with them, she merely said, "Pitt's bill."

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. What is Pitt? A. I think he is a grocer, in the Bethnal-green-road.

WILLIAM PATRICK KEATING . I am a clerk, in the Examiner's-office in the Customs. 1 knew Patrick O'Connor; he also held a situation in the Customs—I last saw him alive on the evening of the 9th Aug., on London-bridge, near the Surrey side; I think it was about a quarter to five o'clock, as near as I can tell—he was going towards Bermondsey—I was with Mr. Graham, also a friend of his—Mr. Graham had some conversation with him, and, in answer to a question of Mr. Graham's, he showed him a letter. (Upon the ATTORNEY-GENERAL proposing to ask what name was signed to this letter, MR. BALLANTINE objected, no proof being given of its being in the prisoner's writing, nor of its being destroyed, which alone would render secondary evidence of its contents admissible. THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL intended to use it only as proving the fact that it had a certain signature attached to it, but the COURT intimating a doubt of its admissibility, it was not pressed.) After this conversation he pursued his way towards Bermondsey—he appeared then to be in his usual health and spirits—on Sunday, 12th Aug., for some reason I bad I went to Manning's house, 3, Miniver-place—Mrs. Manning opened the door, and I went in—I asked her if Mr. O'Connor came there to dine on Thursday—she said he did not come to dine there on Thursday evening—I said, "You have been down to his lodgings that night and the following," and she told me she was there on Thursday night, 9th Aug., to the best of my recollection—I asked her the hour she was there the first night, and I think she told me seven; she had been to inquire for him in consequence of

his health, as he had been there the night before and he was not well—I said it was very strange, as he was seen coming over London-bridge by two friends (not naming the two friends as Mr. Graham and myself) going in that direction—she made no reply to that—she said Mr. Manning thought it was very ungentlemanly of Mr. O'Connor not to have come to his appointment—I think she said the time was five, but I am not positive, and that was part of the reason of her going down to his house to inquire—I thought from the manner that she appeared nervous—I then asked could I see Mr. Manning—she said Mr. Manning was out—I asked where he was, and she said she thought he was gone to Church—I asked whether, if I came at six that evening, I could see him, to ask him whether he had seen O'Connor, and she said they were asked out to tea at that hour, and they would not be within—I have seen some writing which was said to be Mrs. Manning's—I have never seen her write—I have frequently seen her in company with O'Connor, and I thought they appeared to be on very friendly terms, and Mr. Manning also.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Do you mean that you ever noticed any particular friendliness between O'Connor and Manning, or was it between Mrs. Manning and O'Connor? A. I knew O'Connor and Mrs. Manning to be acquainted before I knew anything of Manning—I have met them alone together a good many times, I have met them late of an evening walking in the street together—I have been to O'Connor lodgings, and have seen Mrs. Manning there—I have not seen her there very late of an evening; about eight to the best of my belief—I have left them there alone as late as that—I think Mrs. Manning mentioned seven as the time she went to O'Connor's lodging on 9th Aug.—I am not aware whether she said that was the time she left her own house, or the time she arrived at O'Connor's—I will not swear that she said anything about the time she left her own house—I will not swear she said what time she was at'O'Connor's—she said either that she left or went down at seven—she said she was down at O'Connor's that evening and the following—that was the expression as far as I recollect; I cannot say that she said at seven.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. I think you said that whenever you saw Manning with O'Connor they were on very friendly terms? A. Not very friendly terms, they appeared to know each other; they were not unfriendly.

DAVID GRAHAM . I am an officer in the Customs; and was acquainted with Patrick O'Connor. On the afternoon of 9th Aug., I was in company with Keating, and met O'Connor on London-bridge; as near as I can tell it was about a quarter to five—on 12th Aug. I went with Keating to the house in Miniver-place, between twelve and one—Mrs. Manning let us in—Mr. Keating asked her if she had seen Mr. O'Connor; she said she had not seen him since Wednesday, and he was very unwell then, and bad laid down on the sofa, and she rubbed his face with eau-de-Colonge—she said she went to his lodging on the Thursday, at a quarter to seven—I understood her to say that she got to his lodging at that time—she said she went to know why he had not come to dinner—she thought it was very ungentlemanly of Mr. O'Connor not to come to dinner—I think she said Mr. Manning said so—I did not see Manning—Mr. Keating asked for him, and she said he had gone to Church—Mr. Keating said he would call in the evening, but she said they were going out to tea.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. How far is it from where you met O'Connor to Manning's house? A. About half a mile.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. Did you know O'Connor intimately? A. Not intimately; I was in the Docks with him—I do not know whether he was intimate with Mrs. Manning—I have seen them walking together three four or five times—on one occasion I was at O'Connor's lodging when she was there, and I left them together; that was about eight o'clock in the evening, or it might have been nine; I merely called in for five minutes—he occupied a bed-room and sitting-room on one floor.

JAMES JARVIS COLEMAN . I am a locker in the Customs, and knew O'Connor eight or ten years. I saw him on Thursday, 9th Aug., from five to ten minutes past five o'clock in Old Weston-street, which is about one hundred or one hundred and fifty yards from Miniver-place, on the Bermondsey side of the bridge.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. In what direction was he going at that time? A. Towards New Weston-street, which is towards Miniver-place.

JAMES YOUNGHUSBAND . I knew O'Connor. On Thursday, 9th Aug., about a quarter past five, I was on an omnibus and saw O'Connor on London-bridge—he seemed to be undecided which way he was going, and he walked very slow and stopped.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. In what direction was he walking? A. Towards the City, very slow indeed—the omnibus was going at the usual pace omnibuses go at—I had a very cursory glance—I did not see him more than half a minute, we went on very rapidly.

SOPHIA PAYNE . I am the wife of Joseph Payne, of 2, Miniver-place. On Monday evening, about six o'clock, after the rumour of the murder, the male prisoner came to our house, said that his wife was out, and would I allow him to go through our house—he went over our garden wall—that would lead to his garden—on the Thursday before that I saw him, about a quarter to seven, sitting on his garden-wall, smoking a pipe—I entered into conversation with him, and in about a quarter of an hour or twenty minutes he jumped down, saying, he had an appointment that he had forgotten, and he must go and dress—he went away, and I saw no more of him—I left my house about half-past seven, leaving my husband at home, and returned about eleven.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Wrhen you first saw him sitting on the garden-wall was it quite light? A. Yes, as light as day—he bad his legs inside his own wall—he appeared to me as usual—he was dressed exactly as usual—their garden is rather larger than ours, because we had a shop in ours—we had not room to grow flowers and vegetables, but they have room for flowers—I do not know that they paid particular attention to their flowers—I never saw anything particular, only a few simple roots—Manning was on the wall about twenty minutes, and left about seven o'clock—our house adjoins theirs—if persons are bustling about next door we could hear them if we were rather quiet in our own house—we carry on the lithographic printing in our house—we take tea about five, and are pretty quiet during that time—the printing does not commence till seven in the evening—there is nothing else that makes a noise in our house.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. Have you any children? A. Yes; I keep them very quiet—I know the time I saw Manning on the wall, because my husband leaves the City about half-past six o'clock, and he is always very regular—he had just come in—I left home about half-past seven—it was about twenty minutes or half an hour before that that Manning jumped off the wall—it was from seven to a few minutes after.

WILLIAM FLINN . I am an officer in the Customs, and was acquainted with

Patrick O'Connor. In consequence of his being absent from his employment, I went to Miniver-place on Sunday, 12th Aug.—I found no one in the house, and went again on the Monday with a police-officer in private clothes—Mrs. Manning opened the door—I asked for Mr. Manning—she said he was not in—I then asked for Mrs. Manning, and she said she was that person—I then said I was a friend of Mr. O'Connor's, and I wanted to speak a word with her—she then asked us to walk in, and brought us into the front parlour, pointed to a seat, and I sat down—I asked her if she had heard anything of Mr. O'Connor? and she said, "No"—I said it waa very strange, and she said, "Yes, it was very odd indeed, as some friends of his had seen him on the bridge on Thursday evening, the 9th, "and she mentioned Mr. Keating's name as one of the friends—she then said that Mr. O'Connor was a very fickle-minded man, as he often came into her place and would stop a minute or two, and suddenly jump up and leave—she then spoke of the probability of his being at Mr. Walsh's, at Vauxhall, where she had accompanied him once or twice from her house—she then said, "Poor Mr. O'Connor! he was the best friend I had in London"—when she said that, I fancied that I saw her countenance change; get pale—I asked her if she was ill, or if she felt the room too warm, and she said "No;" but six weeks before, she was ill, she had not been very well since, she dare say she looked pale—I then asked her if she had been to Mr. O'Connor's lodgings on the 9th—she said "Yes;" and I asked what time she left her own place—she first said, "Six o'clock in the afternoon"—I asked her if she was certain of the time—and she said, "It might be a quarter-past six," and she met one or two friends on her way down—her last remark on my leaving was," You gentlemen are very susceptible"—there was no explanation of that.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Do you know where Mr. O'Connor kept his cash? A. Yes; I have seen it—he kept it in his cash-box in his trunk in the bed-room.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. YOU went, I believe, to his lodgings? A. Yes; on Monday, the 13th, abouteight o'clock in the evening, after I had been to Miniver-place—I there met Barnes, the policeman, Mr. Keating, Mr. Pervis, and Miss Harmes—we forced O'Connor's trunk open, and found the cash-box inside—there was no lock to it, and in it we found a few I O U's and memorandums—there were no money or railway shares—I sealed the box up again.

JURY. Q, Was there anything to lead to Mrs. Manning making use of the expression, "Poor Mr. O'Connor, he was the best friend I had!"—only the preceding conversation which I have related.

ANN HARMES . Q. I reside at 21, Greenwood-street, Mile-end-road, with my sister. The deceased Patrick O'Connor lodged in our house nearly five years—he occupied two rooms on the first floor, ready furnished—on 9th Aug. I let him out at the shop door at half-past seven o'clock in the morning—there are two doors—the shop door is in Mile-end-road, and the private door is in Greenwood-street—that was Mr. O'Connor entrance—I never saw him after that—he never returned to the house again—Mrs. Manning was in the habit of frequently coming to Mr. O'Connor, particularly for the last month before he left home—she came alone, except two or three times Mr. Manning came and some others—I think Mr. Massey came with her once—on Thursday, 9th Aug., I saw Mrs. Manning about a quarter before six; she had been let in at the private door, and I saw her go up stairs—she went into Mr. O'Connor's room, and she remained there till a quarter-past seven—no one else went into the room while she was there—I

saw her leave—she came down stairs, came through the shop to purchase something of my sister—she was in the habit of coming through the private door—latterly I forbad her coming through the shop—I saw her again on the next day, Friday—she came at a quarter to six, the same time as the dav before—she said nothing to me—my sister let her in, and she went upstairs as usual into Mr. O'Connor's room—she remained till over a quarter-past seven that day—I saw her leave the house—I was in my parlour next to the shop when the door was opened—she came through the shop, bought some. thing, and changed half-a-crown—my sister waited on her—when she left I observed her shaking in tremor, particularly her left hand, with which she gave the change, and my mother also observed it—on Monday, the 13th, Mr. Flynn and some other persons came to the house, and went into Mr. O'Connor's room—they broke open a box in my presence—no one but me and my sister had been in the room since Mrs. Manning left at seven on the Friday night—Mr. O'Connor's box and trunk had been on the top of the drawers during that time—they had been there from the time he came to lodge there—Mrs. Manning had been on the 3d Aug., the Friday before the Thursday that Mr. O'Connor was missing—she came alone, and she and Mr. O'Connor were in the sitting-room—I heard Mrs. Manning tell O'Connor that evening that she wanted to invest her money in railway shares, that she wanted to purchase some shares in the railway—Mr. O'Connor had got his cash-box out, and the papers were on the table—I do not know what the papers were.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Where did Mr. O'Connor generally keep his keys? He always kept them in his pocket, on his person—Mrs. Manning has taken tea there when she was there—I cannot say who made the tea, but Mr. O'Connor mostly made tea for any of his party—he kept his tea in a caddy, which was usually locked, and the key on the bunch with his other keys—I do not know in which pocket he carried them—I have sometimes seen him put them into his waistcoat-pocket—I saw Mr. Manning there three or four times within the last month; I think on one Sunday, with Mr. Massey and Mrs. Manning, and then in the week-days—they all seemed on very good terms with Mr. O'Connor—our shop is underneath the first floor room, occupied by Mr. O'Connor, and my parlour is under his bed-room—during business-hours I was sometimes in the parlour and sometimes in the shop, and the parlour-door was kept open—persons might go up and down stairs, but we should hear them—when Mrs. Manning paid the money with her left hand, I think she was holding something under her arm with her right hand.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. Holding something with the elbow, close to her side? A. Yes, as if she had something of a parcel, or bundle.

MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Were you present when she purchased something the preceding day? A. I was in the parlour—my sister received the money—when I left the room on the preceding Friday, I left them with the cash-box and the papers on the table—it was a tin box—when Mr. O'Connor was out, his bed-room door was left open, at his request—I have not seen Mrs. Manning in his bed-room alone, nor with him—I cannot tell how long before Mr. O'Connor was missing I saw Mr. Manning there; I should think it was three weeks—it was when Mr. Massey was there with them—that was not the last time—once since then I believe, but I could not be on my oath.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. YOU heard some conversation, you say, in which Mrs. Manning spoke of money to be invested; did she

say how she came by that money? A. No—she said nothing about what she had saved in service—Mr. O'Connor was pointing out certain papers, which he had to show her the way—I did not hear what he said—I was only taking something into the room—I did hear him tell her that would be the best, pointing to some papers—I did not hear any amount mentioned—I cannot say how long they were together at that time—I think she took tea with him alone that day, but I cannot say—the drawing-room and bed-room were on the same floor—I cannot tell what time she left that night—I remember her leaving, but I cannot say at what time—I remember the time she left, the nights her hand was shaking—I took particular notice of those two nights—it was a quarter-past seven o'clock on the Friday, and a quarter-past seven on the Thursday—Mr. O'Connor had lodged at our house near five years—I have known Mrs. Manning in the habit of coming there, I should say more than a twelvemonth—she has at times staid there longer than two or three hours, but I have not taken notice—she has never stopped there for two or three days; not whole days—she came to tea—she never slept there, to my knowledge—I have never been paid by Mr. O'Connor for her staying there—I have never been paid 9s. on her acoount, nor any sum whatever, only when some person came by the name of Roup, or Rouf, and left some boxes there—I was not at home at the time—I came home next day—I saw the boxes in the shop—they were not allowed to go up-stairs—I think that is nearly a year and three months ago, but I cannot say—I think she came at the same time—I have not been away from home during the time Mrs. Manning has been in the habit of coming to Mr. O'Connor, only that one day.

EMILY HARMES . I live with my sister, Ann Harmes. I recollect the time when Mr. O'Connor was missing—on the Friday before the day I last saw him I saw, Mrs. Manning at our house, and heard a conversation between her and O'Connor—she said she wished to purchase some shares, and O'Connor showed her some—I heard him say, "No, not that; purchase so-and-so"—I have forgotten the name of the shares—I saw her come on Thursday, 9th Aug., at a quarter to six o'clock—I let her in; she said, "Is Mr. O'Connor at home?"—I said, "No, "no more conversation passed, and she went up into his room—I saw her leave—she bought a biscuit of me in the shop—she was very pale—she came again next night, Friday, and asked if Mr. O'Connor was at home—I said, "No," and she went up to his room, as before—she came into the shop as she went away—she was more pale than on Thursday, and her hand was very shaking as she laid the money down—her right hand was so (on the waist), and she paid me the money with her left.

Croos-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Do you mean she was paler than usual on Thursday night? A. Yes—she bought a penny cake, and paid me with a half-crown—I only saw her purse in her hand—she had a black dress, and no shawl, but a cape—when she came on Friday, and asked if O'Connor was in, I did not say he had not been in all night, or anything of the sort—I said he had not come home.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. There is a private door, is there not? A. Yes; she could have unlocked it and gone out without coming near me at all—she never has done so, without any one knowing it—she has gone out that way if some one has let her out—Mr. O'Connor has done so, and so have I, but she has never let herself out that way—we have no servant—I attend to the house, make the beds, and so on—I do not know of any boxes coming there directed to Miss De Roux—there were some came

with Mrs. Rouf on them—I swear it was not Roux—Mrs. Manning came with them, she only remained a few hours, till Mr. O'Connor came home—she had a bed in our house that night, on the second floor, the next room to mine—O'Connor asked if I could provide a bed for his friend and her husband, but the husband did not come that night—she only slept there one night.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. That was some time ago? A. Yes, fifteen months ago—this note (produced) was brought to my house by a messenger from the London Docks on Friday evening, the 10th—I have seen Mrs. Manning write, and believe the inside of it to be her writing.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Did not O'Connor pay you 9s. for the time that Mrs. Manning lodged at the house? A. No; he paid nothing to me—I do not know that he paid anybody, I never heard so.

WILLIAM MASSEY . I am a medical student. I resided at Manning's house, Miniver-place, for about ten weeks—they did not keep a regular servant, but had a charwoman occasionally—I left on or about 28th July—I left because they appeared anxious for me to do so—they told me they were going out of town on the Monday, and I left on the Saturday—I heard that from one or both of them—I knew O'Connor—I have seen him at Miniver-place three or four times—he appeared to be on good terms with the prisoners—the male prisoner has talked to me about O'Connor in his wife's presence—he said one night that his wife had been to the Docks, and had seen O'Connor in a state of intoxication—he had been taking a large quantity of brandy and wine, as a preventive against cholera—he was very much frightened at the cholera—he said O'Connor had shown his wife his will, in which he had made over all, or a considerable portion of, his property to her—I have heard him say that O'Connor was worth 20,000l.

Q. Did he ever talk to you about laudanum or chloroform? A. Yes, he did—he asked me in the first place, to the best of my recollection, what drug would produce stupefaction, or partial intoxication, so as to cause a person to put pen to paper—I believe Mrs. Manning was present at the time he asked whether laudanum or chloroform would produce this effect—I made some careless remark, and said, I believed I had heard of such drugs being used for bad purposes—just before, or just after, he mentioned the name of O'Connor he said he should like to get O'Connor to sign a promissory-note for a considerable sum of money, 500l.—he proposed having O'Connor at his house, and said to me, "You frighten him well about the cholera, and persuade him to take brandy as a specific for it"—he once asked me what part of the head was most vital or tender—I said I believed it was under the ear, I had heard of very slight injuries to that part being attended with fatal results—he once asked me where the brain was placed—I pointed to the part—he once asked me whether I had ever seen or fired off an air-gun, and I told him I had not fired one off myself, but I had heard them fired off—he asked whether they made much report in the discharge, and I told him no, they did not—he was once talking about the wax figure of Rush at Madame Tussaud's, and asked me whether I thought a murderer went to heaven—I told him" Nc"—I have written a letter or two to O'Connor, at the request of both the prisoners.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. I suppose these things you have spoken of were uttered at different conversations? A. Yes; I being a medical student, my profession sometimes became the topic of conversation.

MARY WELLS . I reside with my father, a builder, at 4, Russell-street; I am

unmarried. I know the male prisoner—I remember his coming to our house at the latter end of July, for 6d. worth of lime; he said he wanted it to kill slugs in the garden—I asked whether he would have white or gray lime, and he said he wanted that which would burn the quickest—I said we had no white, and he said he would have the gray, and then wrote the direction on a piece of paper—I delivered the direction to Richard Welch, and he was seat with it.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKIN. Q. How far is your house from Miniver-place? A. About five minutes' walk—the servant was in the place when he ordered the lime—she could hear him as well as me—Manning could see her—I cannot say what the direction he wrote was; whatever it was I gave it to the boy—the lime was sent home two days after—no inquiries were made about it in the meantime—I do not know at what time of the day it was sent; I was out of town.

RICHARD WELSH . I am in the service of Mr. Wells, a builder, of Russell-street; I know Manning. On 25th July I took some lime to Miniver-place—I saw who ordered it, it was Mr. Manning, the prisoner—I saw him when I took it home—I carried it in a basket on my shoulder—it was a bushel—he told me to take it down into the kitchen, and I did so—he went with me, and I went into the back-kitchen at his direction, and he showed me where to empty it, and I put it into a basket—he told me to call the next day, end he would see if he could get a couple of halfpence for me—I called next day, and Mrs. Manning gave me three halfpence.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Were you there on the 23d, when Mr. Manning came and ordered the lime? A. Yes, I had a written, direction given me to take the lime home—I did not notice the writing on it—I guessed the place out—I knew the name of the place, because I have often passed there—I heard Manning give the direction as well as writing it, and in consequence of that I went there.

WILLIAM DANBY . I am a porter in the employ of Mr. Evans, of King William-street—Manning came to the shop on 25th July, and I sold him a crow-bar—it was like this one (produced)—it was made from the same bar of iron, only it was five inches longer—we made it for him, and it was to be sent home to 3, Miniver-place, New Weston-street—I took it there on 28th July, with the bill—I think when it was ordered he was told it would be 2s. 6d.—I was in the shop when it was ordered—as I was taking it home I carried it in my hand, and just on the rise of the bridge I met the prisoner Manning—it was about a quarter, or from that to half-past four o'clock in the afternoon—he asked me if I was going to his house with that crow-bar—I told him "Yes"—he then complained of its not being wrapped up—he made some remark about paper being very scarce, and that we might have put it up in paper—that he did not wish everybody to see what he was purchasing, or something to that effect—he turned back, and went down Tooley-street with me, till we came to a stationer's shop—he went in there, and purchased a sheet of brown paper—I wrapped the crow-bar in it, and tied it with a bit of string—he then went with me to the corner of the Maze, and said he was not going home, but directed me to his house, and said I should find a party there who would pay for it—the corner of the Maze is about five minutes' walk from Miniver-place—he then left me—I proceeded to the house, and a stout female, who I think was Mrs. Manning, opened the door—I had the crow-bar in my hand, and it was so covered that no part of it could be seen, and the string still tied—when the door was opened Mrs. Manning

spoke first, and asked me if I had brought that from King William-street—I told her "Yes," and gave her the crow-bar and the bill—she made a remark that it was charged rather more than the price that was agreed on at the shop—I told her it weighed rather more than what we expected, and took rather longer to make—it was charged 3s. 6d.—she paid me the money, made no further remark, and carried the crow-bar into the house—I then left.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Who was in the shop when the crow-bar was ordered? A. Two or three shopmen—Mr. George Stead took the order, and there were three or four assistants in the shop—I did not know Manning before—if he had not given us his address we should not have known where to take it—he wrote his address on a piece of paper—he went with me into the stationer's shop in Tooley-street, and paid for the paper—the crow-bar was wrapped in it and tied up on the counter in the shop—he did not say that it was not a respectable way of doing business, for a shop like ours, to send goods out without wrapping them in paper—he said we might have wrapped it up; but no one wraps crow-bars in paper.

Cross-examined by Mr. BALLANTINE. Q. When he ordered the crow-bar, did he say for what he wanted it? A. No—I do not know whether it was called a crow-bar or a ripping-chisel in the bill—some people call them one way and some the other—it might have been called a ripping-chisel in the bill—it would not be called a chisel—no one could see what it was when it was wrapped up—the paper was wrapped round more than a dozen times—the stationer's shop is about five minutes' walk from his house, and about the same distance from our shop.

MR. BODKIN. Q. When the crow-bar was ordered was anything said about the time it was to be sent home? A. I believe it was promised the next day. MR. LOCK WOOD re-examined. Q. Look at this crow-bar, would an instrument four or five inches longer than that, of that sort, be such as would inflict the wounds you saw on the head of O'Connor? Yes, it might have done so—both the cuts and the fractures.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Would the length have anything to do with it? A. It would make it easier—I cannot say but what the fracture might have been inflicted with a short one.

COURT. Q. YOU say some of the wounds were incised, and some cut? A, Incised and contused, and some fractures—I cannot tell, from their appearance, how long the wounds had been inflicted—they certainly were not given the day before—I should say, from the appearance of the body, that it must have been under ground a week, perhaps a little more—that was my judgment formed at the time.

JURY. Q. In consequence of the lime being there the body would be decomposed quicker, would it not? A. Yes, it would be more decomposed.

COURT. Q. YOU say it must have been under ground a week or more, from what appearances do you come to that conclusion? A. It was quite in a state of decomposition—I speak of the exterior—I take into account the fact of the lime being there—the skin becomes decomposed earlier when lime is poured on it—taking into account the lime, and all that I saw, I formed an opinion that the body had been there at least a week.

Q. Was that conclusion partly founded upon the history of the case, or from what you saw with your own eyes? A. I formed my opinion on it the very day the body was taken out of the ground—I then mentioned that it must have been there more than a week—I had before heard that the body had been missing—the effect of lime would be to destroy the features very rapidly,

if there was a sufficient quantity—they were not so far destroyed, but that a person very intimately acquainted with him might have identified him.

Q. Would the external application of the lime make any difference in the decomposition of the brain? A. The lime, I believe, might have been absorbed through the fractures, and so have caused the decomposition of the brain—the fractures were large enough for portions to go through—I examined the intestines with Mr. Olding, they were not so much decomposed as you would have thought, from the external state of the body.

WILLIAM CAHILL . I am shopman to Mr. Langley, an ironmonger of Tooley-street. On Wednesday, 8th Aug., Mrs. Manning came to my master's shop to purchase a shovel—I showed her some—she wished for a short one, and I showed her some short-handled dust shovels—I recommended her to have a regalar long wood-handled shovel—she said she would make a short one do—I sold her one, and took it to her house—she gave me the direction, "3, Miniver-place, Weston-street," and the name of" Manning"—I took it about seven o'clock in the evening, and she took it in—she had ordered it about three in the afternoon—this shovel (produced by Sopp) is the one.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. What do you call it? A. A dust-shovel—the price was 15d.—we sell spades, they are 2s., and all prices—I recommended a wooden-handled shovel.

WILLIAM SOPP (policeman, M 162). I produce the shovel—I got it from Mrs. Bainbridge, the wife of a broker, in Bermondsey-square.

MR. BALLANTINE to HENRY BARNES. Q. Did you find any shovel in Manning's house? A. I cannot charge my memory that I saw any shovel there at all—I did not take possession of any—I cannot tell whether this shovel was there at the time—I am sure there was no shovel there the day the body was found—it might have been there when I first searched the house.

MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. I think you told me that the passage opened on the right into the front parlour? A. The front parlour is on the right of the passage—I went into the front parlour—I did not notice whether there was a new chimney-piece—there was a chimney-piece, either of marble or imitation—the houses are nearly new—the room was papered nearly to the bottom, I believe—I did not notice whether the chimney-piece wanted the paper round the top of it, as if it had been put in new.

HANNAH FIRMAN . I live in Staple-street, Long-lane. I am twelve years old—on Friday, 10th Aug., I was opposite No. 3, Miniver-place, selling matches, and stay and boot-laces—on the Saturday I saw a person supposed to be Mrs. Manning—I have seen her once since at the police-office—(looking round the Court, and pointing out the female prisoner)—there she is—I said to her," If you please, ma'am, do you want your steps cleaned?"—she said, "Can you come on Monday?"—I said, "No, ma'am; I can't come on Monday, for I have got to go out and sell my things?"—she then said, "Can you do other things besides clean steps?"—I said, "Yes, ma'am; "and she said, "How much would you charge? "and I said 5d., not knowing that she would keep me from half-past nine o'clock in the morning till night—it was about half-past nine that I was there—I then went into the house, and cleaned several parts of it—she wanted me to wash some blinds—I told her I could not wash the blinds, on the occasion of my hands being bad—she said,"You must do it"—I said, "If I could I would; I do not mind cleaning your kitchen instead of your blinds, as my hand is bad; "and she said, "I do not want my kitcheu cleaned; it was cleaned the day before yesterday"—I said, "Indeed, ma'am?"—she said, "Yes"—I cleaned it myself

afterwards, and near the coal cupboard-door I saw a basket, which appeared as if it bad had lime in it—it was white stuff—she said, "I want you to wash a basket out"—I said I could not doit then, because my hand was bad, and she did it herself—all this time the water was running, and after a time she had no more water—Mr. Manning was there at the time—I saw him twice—he was going in and out—the second time I saw him he came up-stairs to his wife, and said, "Give it me directly, "and put his foot to the ground like that (stamping)—she said yes, she would; and by the appearance it was a comb, but what it was I could not tell.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. She wanted you to clean out the kitchen, did she? A. Yes—I do not remember her saying it would be no trouble—I did not think it wanted cleaning—I did clean it—they kept me till seven o'clock at night—they gave me 6d.—they gave me no scolding—I do not recollect that they were angry with me for anything.

Q. Did you take anything away with you? A, Yes—I will tell the truth, and that will go the furthest—I cannot tell you everything I took—I took an egg out of the larder, and I took a razor which I got out of a box when their backs were turned; I took a purse out of the drawer, and I took one pair of stockings out of the cupboard in the kitchen—I do not recollect taking a dress, or a pocket, or a smelling-bottle.

JAMES COLEMAN . I am a builder, and am landlord of No. 3, Miniver-place. I let that house to the Mannings, as yearly tenants—I had no notice of their quitting—on the Tuesday evening succeeding 9th Aug. I found the house left, and empty.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Did the Mannings put up a marble chimney-piece in the parlour while there? A. No—I am sure no new one has been put up—there was no marble one in the house.

CHARLES BAINBRIDGE . I am a dealer in furniture at 14, Bermondsey-square. I was acquainted with the two prisoners for about two months previous to buying the furniture—I first saw Manning about it on 20th July; he told me to call again—he said he had sold it—I said I was sorry for it, because I could give him more than others for it—he told me to call the next morning, and I went and saw Mrs. Manning—she went over the house with me, and I made an offer of 13l. for the furniture—she asked 16l.—I was to come again in a day or two—I went on several occasions, and, at last, on 13th Aug., I think I agreed to give 13l. 10s. for it—this was on Monday, and I was to come on Tuesday morning at five o'clock, and take it away—Mr. Manning told me so—I refused to move it at five, and said it would look bad—on the Monday afternoon, Manning came to me again and said his governor said he was to stop in town another fortnight, and he came to pay me back the 15s. deposit that I had given him in the morning—he did not actually offer the money; and he said, at the same time," You have apartments to let, and I can come and stop with you for a fortnight"—I had apartments to let—it was arranged between us that he should come for a fortnight to my lodging and pay 10s. a week—he kept the 15s.—I had a servant named Matilda Weldon—on the Monday afternoon he desired her to fetch Mrs. Manning from Miniver-place—he wrote it on a piece of paper—the servant was gone some time—he waited till she returned, and then left—Weldon said she could not find the house—he was gone about-twenty minutes, and on his return about half-past five, he said he had started his wife off into the country—he brought some brandy with him—he slept at my house that night—there was some linen in the house which was not included in my purchase—he wished me

lo take charge of that for him till he returned from the country, and likewise a new hat—he said he was going into the country for about two months—I removed the things on the Tuesday morning; this shovel was among them—there was also a tin dust-shovel—I would not swear that there was any other shovel—there was part of a set of fire-irons, hut whether there was a shovel with them I do not know—I believe the shovel produced had been used in my house before the police took possession of it—I had not seen it used, but I believe it was—on the Wednesday I went to remove the linen and other things that were not included in my purchase, and found the house in possession of the police—I last saw Manning on the Wednesday morning.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Did you take a list of the things you purchased? A. I did—I think I have it in an inventory-book at home—I will bring it to-morrow—it was on the Monday that he sent the servant to see for his wife—I could not say exactly the time when the servant returned, but it was as near half-past five o'clock as possible, because it was teatime—it was after she returned that he went.

Q. And when he came back he said that his wife had started off into the country? A. No; that he had started her off—I will swear positively that his words were, "I have started her off"—I am not aware who was present at the time—I am not aware whether the servant was there; she was in and out of the room getting tea ready—Mrs. Bainbridge was at home, but not present—it might have been past six o'clock when Manning came back—my house is about ten minutes' walk from Miniver-place, about half a mile perhaps—I know Mr. Massey, who lodged with Manning—I did not know any other person in Miniver-place—Manning slept at my house on Monday night and Tuesday night—the new hat that he left with me was a very good one—Burton, the police-man, went with me when I went to remove the furniture—there was not a pickaxe among the articles taken; I am positive of that, nor any axe—the tongs were second-hand tongs; they were not worn thin at the points; they were part of a very common set of fire-irons.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Was there among the things any crow-bar? A. No; nor any men's clothes—there was a light zephyr coat and an over-coat or paletot—they were included in my purchase, and an old dress-coat.

MART ANN BAINBRIDGE . I am the wife of the last witness. I remember the goods that my husband purchased being brought home to our house—among them was this shovel, which I used in the house afterwards—among the things brought, there were, I think, four women's dresses—on one of them it appeared to me as if there had been blood—it was a morning wrapper, with a cape—it seemed as if it bad been washed out in a hurry, and before it was sufficiently dry it was mildewed—(a dress was here produced by Burton) this is the dress—the cape is separate from the body and skirt—I noticed the cape more particularly than the dress—it is dry now—the male prisoner slept at our house for two nights—he left on Wednesday morning, from half-past seven to a quarter to eight, I could not swear to the time, but it was about that—he took with him a carpet bag, and a trunk covered with leather—he went away in a cab—he said he was going to sea-bathing.

Q. Did you hear him say anything about his wife's leaving? A, He said, when I was waiting for her on the Monday night to tea, that he had sent her into the country—that was about a quarter to six o'clock, on the night our servant was sent for her—I said to him," Where is Mrs. Manning? "and he said, "I have sent her off into the country"—the goods were at Manning's

house at that time—I said to him, just as it was getting dusk, that I required to air the sheets before he slept in them, and I said, "Will you sleep at your house to-night?"—he said, "No; I would not sleep there to-night for 20l."—he said no more—he slept at our house that night and the following night, and went off on the Wednesday morning—there were some dresses left as a present to me—he did not pay anything for being at our house—I thought what he had given me was sufficient to pay me.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Did you ever say anything before you came into that witness-box to-day about his having told you he had sent his wife into the country? A. No; only when 1 was at the Police Court—I said so there—my husband was present when he said it, I do not think Weldon was; I can swear she was not—he did not say, "My wife has started into the country"—he said, "I have sent my wife into the country"—those were the words—no one but he and I were present when he said he would not sleep at his house for 20l.—I think I was examined twice or three times before the Magistrate.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Were the marks, that you now suppose to be blood, on the cape only, or on any other part of the dress? A. On the cape only—that drew my attention—I have examined the rest of the dress very minutely—I took more notice of the cape—I discovered other marks on the dress—the mildew was not on the cape, it was on the dress, and in the sleeve-lining—these are the marks that I took notice of more particularly (pointing them out)—I said that I considered the marks on the dress to be scorches; on the dress and cape too—not from too hot an iron being used, but from being dried in a hurry.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. Explain what you mean; you say you first saw what you thought were marks of blood on the cape? A. Yes—I think from the appearance of it that there had been blood on the dress first—these stains would not be got out with washing alone, unless they were boiled—I think that some of the dress has been washed, and scorched from being dried in a hurry, and put away in a box before it was sufficiently dry, and so got mildewed.

JURY. Q. Did you examine that by daylight? A. Yes. COURT. Q. Have you any particular acquaintance with the mark which blood would make upon such a dress? A. I am quite sure there has been blood upon the dress.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. But explain why. You have just said that you think the marks are scorches from being dried in a hurry; do you mean from a fire or a hot iron? A. From the fire—when the dress was brought before me they asked me my opinion of it, and I said, "This dress has been washed out in a hurry, and put away before it was sufficiently dry, and it looks to me more like blood upon it than anything else."

MATILDA WELDON . I was servant to Mr. Bainbridge in Aug. last; I have left now—I know the male prisoner—I recollect bis coming to Mr. Bainbridge's on Monday, 13th Aug.—I went on a message for him to 3, Miniver-place; at least I did not go there, he sent me there, but I could not find it—I was to go there to fetch his wife—I returned to him, and then he went himself—I recollect his coming back—I do not recollect what he said to Mr. or Mrs. Bainbridge when he came back—he went into the parlour and I went downstairs, and was not in the room—I remember the goods being removed—the evening before they were removed Mr. Manning said to me, if anybody inquired for him to say that I had not seen him for a fortnight.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. YOU could not find the house, and he went himself? A. Yes; I cannot say whether when he came back he said that his wife was gone into the country—he went into the parlour and I shut the door after him and went down stairs, and what he said to Mrs. Bainbridge I cannot say—I did not hear him say that his wife was gone into the country, and so 1 said before.

Q. Have you not said that you were not sure whether he said his wife was gone into the country? A. I said I did not know whether I was in the room—I have said that I could not tell whether he said his wife was gone into the country, or whether he had sent her into the country.

MR. BODKIN. Q. I understand you to say that you did not hear what he did say? A. No.

MARY ANN SCHOFIBLD . I live at 12, New Weston-street, which is opposite 3, Miniver-place. I remember Mrs. Manning leaving her house in a cab on Monday afternoon—I cannot say the day of the month, it was the Monday before the body was found—she left about a quarter-past three—Manning came home that day about half-past five—he knocked at the door twice, and tapped at the window once—nobody answered—he then crossed over the way and held his finger up to me to open our door—I went and opened it, and he said, "Have you seen my wife?"—I said, "Yes; I saw her go out in a cab"—he said, "Had she any luggage with her?"—I said, "Yes; a great deal"—he asked me what time she left—I told him about half-past three—he said, "Thank you, "and crossed over the way to No. 2—Mrs. Payne knocked at the door, and was let in.

WILLIAM BYFORD . I am a licensed driver of hackney-coaches—on 15th Aug., I had a fare from Bermondsey-square—I believe it was the male prisoner—I took him to the Waterloo Station—he had a small box and carpet bag, to the best of my recollection; but I cannot exactly say whether it was a box or a small portmanteau—I left him there about half-past eight in the evening—he was going by the half-past eight o'clock train—I did not go the direct way—I went by orders, Bermondsey-street way, that is full three-quarters of a mile further round.

WILLIAM KIRK . I drive a cab. On Monday, 13th Aug., while I was on the stand, a female came up and engaged my cab—it was the female prisoner—I went with her to Miniver-place—it was from half-past three to four o'clock in the afternoon—I assisted her in bringing two boxes down stairs—one of them was locked, the other was not—I corded it for her—some baskets and other things were put into the cab—I drove her to the stationer's—she got out there, and I believe got some cards, I did not see what it was—I then drove to the Brighton Railway-station—I there saw a porter put some cards on the boxes—the female prisoner left the boxes there—I afterwards drove her to the Birmingham-station, in Euston-square—she got out there, with the rest of her luggage.

WILLIAM DAY . I am a porter, at the London-bridge terminus. On Monday, 13th Aug., I remember a person coming there in a cab, and leaving some boxes at the station—the address on the boxes was Smith—I believe it was that lady there (pointing to the female prisoner)—she gave me two cards—an address was written on them—it was either Mrs. or Miss" Smith, passenger, Paris"—I assisted in nailing those cards on the boxes—I asked the lady where I was to take them, and she told me she wanted to leave them in the cloak-room—they were placed among the ordinary luggage—I took them myself—they were to be left till called for.

RICHARD JOHN MOXEY . I am superintendent of the police at Edinburgh On 21st Aug. I went with a Mr. Dobson to Leith-wharf, in Edinburgh—I there saw the female prisoner—I left Mr. Dobson outside the door, and went into the room, accompanied by a police-officer—I said, as I entered the room, "Mrs. Smith, I presume"—she said, "Yes"—I said, "I beg pardon for intruding; if you are really Mrs. Smith, you are not the person I am in search of; may I request to ask, are you a married lady?"—she said she was—I said, "And your husband's name, is it Smith?"—"Yes"—"Where does he reside?"—"Oh, he is dead"—I said, "When did you come to Edinburgh?"—she said, "Well, I came a few days ago, I think on Tuesday or Wednesday last"—I said, "Is there any person in town to whom you can make reference?"—she said that the only individual to whom she could refer was a Mr. Shaw, over the way, who had recommended her to the lodging in which I found her—I said, "Where did you last come from, and what is the object of your visit to Edinburgh?"—she said, "I last came from New-castle, and the occasion of my visit is for the benefit of my health; "and she made allusion to Porto Bello, which is about three miles from Edinburgh, where she said she had been bathing, or meant to bathe, I forget which—I then made some inquiries into the state of her money matters, and inquired whether she had any scrip—she said, "Scrip! what do you mean by scrip?"—I said, "Any railway shares?"—she said she had not—I said, "Have you not been offering railway-shares for sale?"—she said she had not—at that moment I looked very intently at her, and said, rather in an under tone," My impression is, that you are the wife of Frederick George Manning; "and at the same moment I said to the officer behind me," Just ask Mr. Dobson to come in for one moment"—Mr. Dobson came in, and in answer to a question which I put to him, he said, "That is the lady who offered me scrip."

Q. I believe she made no answer to your suggestion that she was the wife of Manning? A. In fact she had no opportunity, for in the same breath that I said that to her I turned round to the officer, and desired him to ask Mr. Dobson to come in—I then said, "Have you any objection to my seeing your luggage?"—she said, "Certainly not; not in the least"—I said, "Will you oblige me by producing it?"—she said, "By all means, certainly"—she pointed out a carpet-bag, a trunk, and small box, as containing her luggage, a statement that was acquiesced in in her presence by the landlady, who came in at the time—she gave me the keys—the first box that was opened was the small box, by the officer—I said, "Just look there, and see if there are any papers that will throw any light upon this; "and among the first things be took out was a bill, headed," F. G. Manning (some hotel), Taunton"—I then said, "My suspicions are confirmed; put all these up"—I turned round to her, and said, "Now, Mrs. Manning, it is right I should let you know that I am superintendent of the Edinburgh police; you are charged with the murder of Mr. Patrick O'Connor; you are not bound to answer any questions I may put to you unless you think proper; you are at perfect liberty to give such answers as you like, but in the event of your being brought to trial, the answers you give may be used in evidence against you"—I then said, following up that caution," Now tell me, have you got scrip?"—"Oh yes, scrip of my own; oh yes, scrip of my own"—I said, "Well, oblige me by producing it"—she said, "Oh certainly, you will find it in the trunk"—the trunk was unlocked, if it was locked, but I cannot recollect whether it was or not—it was opened, and in the trunk, near the top, I found

certain scrip, which I have here, and a number of sovereigns—I found a piece of cloth containing scrip of the Sambre and Meuse, from 6460 down to 6469 inclusive; also scrip of the Sambre and Meuse, from No. 26,528 down to 26,582, both inclusive; scrip of the Boulogne and Amiens, from 48,665 to 48,674, both inclusive; a certificate of a Spanish bond, No. 3620; I also found some other scrip, or certificate of scrip, but not to any amount—there was a certificate of scrip of the Huntingdon and St. Ives, No. 130, and some French rentes—in her purse I found seventy-three sovereigns and a 50l. Bank of England note, No. 11,037, dated 9th Nov., 1848; six 10l. Bank of England notes, five of which are numbered consecutively from 67,372 to 67,376, and the remaining one No. 78,378, and a 5l. note, No. 20,051, dated 13th July, 1849; a luggage-ticket of the London-bridge terminus of the Brighton-station; there is no name on it; it is a counterpart of No. 456; and a ticket for the excess of luggage on the North Western, between London and Newcastle, in the name of Smith—I found a number of other articles—after she was taken to the police-office I went and saw her; I said to her, "Well, Mrs. Manning, I need not say that I am anxious to get your husband; have you any objection to tell me where he is?"—she said, "Well, upon my honor, I don't know where he is; I came off from London suddenly, while he was out; I came off on the Monday afternoon; I took a cab, and drove with my luggage to the London-bridge terminus of the Brighton Railway; I there left part of my luggage, upon which I put an address, 'Mr. Smith, passenger, Paris,' or Mrs. Smith, I cannot recollect which; I left part of my luggage there, and I then drove to the Euston-square station"—she said that she had slept there in the neighbourhood—she made allusion to O'Connor, and said, "Murder O'Connor? no, certainly not; he was the kindest friend I had in the world; he has acted the part of a father to me;, I lost O'Connor, let me see, on the Wednesday night; he was to have dined with me that day, bat he did not come till late, when he came the worse for liquor, and went away late"—she said she invited him to dinner on the Thursday, that he did not come on the Thursday, as she expected, and that being rather surprised, and feeling rather indignant that he should have treated her on the Thursday as he had done on the Wednesday, she had gone off on the Thursday to his lodging, to ascertain the cause of his absence—she said that he did not come to dinner, he did not come in the evening; and the Friday came, and no appearance of O'Connor, and on the Friday evening she went to ascertain why he had not come, that she could get no account of him, she could not understand his conduct, and she never saw him after that Wednesday—that was her statement to me—she complained of her husband's ill-usage to her, and of his having maltreated her, and having pursued her with a knife, threatening to cut off her head—she said that one of the chief causes of the quarrel was that she would not give him money which she had.

Cross-examined by MR. SIRJEANT WILKINS. Q. When Mrs. Manning was with you, did she state that when she first started from her home she had not made up her mind whether she should go to Paris or Scotland? A. She did, distinctly so.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. I believe she further stated that she had consulted O'Connor about the purchase of some shares? A, She did; and that on his advice she had called on a stockbroker named Stevens—she further told me that part of the scrip I found had been purchased for her by O'Connor. EDWARD LANGLEY (police-sergeant, A 25). I was called in on 17th Aug.

to trace Manning—I proceeded to Jersey, accompanied by an officer named Lockyer—I went to a place at Jersey called Prospect House—I arrived in Jersey on 25th Aug., and went to Prospect House on the 27th—I there found Manning in bed—he was known to me before—when I first went into the room he said, "Halloo! what are you all about, are you going to murder me?"—that was when two persons secured him by the hands, as I instructed them to do—I then made myself known to him, and he said, "Sergeant, is that you? I am glad you are come; I was going to London to explain it all"—he said, "Is the wretch taken?"—I said I did not know, 1 believed so from what I had seen in the newspaper—he said, "I suppose they found a great deal of money upon her, 1,300l. or 1,400l.?"—I said 1 did not know—I told him he must consider himself in custody for the shocking affair that took place in his house in London—he said, "Oh, very well, I am willing to explain it all; I am perfectly innocent"—I told Lockyer to put the hand-cuffs on him—he said, "Surely you will not put the handcuffs on me, you know me so well?"—I said, "As an officer you must excuse me; I must put them on, it is my duty"—we then took him down stairs to the vehicle that was waiting outside at the time—the prisoner, I, and Captain Chevalier, the constable of Jersey, accompanied him to prison, and in going along he said, "She shot him; she invited him to dinner, the cloth was laid when he came in; she asked him to go down stairs to wash his hands, and when at the bottom of the stairs she put one hand on his shoulder and shot him at the back of the head with the other"—Captain Chevalier upon that asked him what became of the body—I nudged him at that moment not to ask him any questions—after about two seconds, or somewhere thereabouts, the prisoner replied, "She had a grave dug for him"—no other question was put to him—he was locked up for the night—I saw him on the following morning—he asked me how long he was to be kept there, as he was anxious to get to London to explain it all—he was brought from Jersey to Southampton by the Dispatch packet—on my arrival at Southampton, I met Haynes of the detective force, and he accompanied us to London—on our way, Manning asked me if his wife was to confess would he be free—I told him he must really excuse me as an officer from answering that question—he said, "I am sure she will confess when she sees me, particularly if a clergyman is with her"—I took possession of his luggage—I examined all the things he bad—in the pocket of one of the coats I found some loose tissue paper and brown paper, and some loose gunpowder—I was very unwell at Southampton—Manning began talking to Haynes as we got into the carriage—I was rather tired and went to sleep—I had been a long time up, and did not pay particular attention to what was said.

JURY. Q. How long after you had the coat did you find the gunpowder? A. After I got it to Scotland-yard.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. This is a shooting-coat, is it not? A. Yes, it is—I do not know that Manning used to shoot a good deal—I only knew him a little when he lived at Taunton—I did not know him there—I only heard of him there—I never saw him out with his dogs—I have some papers and memorandums here, and five letters of good character, recommending the prisoner to some situation—they were found among other letters among his luggage.

JOHN HAYNES . I am a superintendent of the police. On 21st Aug., in consequence of some information I had received, I went to the London-bridge station—I there found two boxes—there was a direction on each box, "Mrs.

Smith, passenger to Paris; to be left till called for"—there were two or three persons in the office—I think Mr. Day is the person who showed me the boxes—I opened one of the boxes, and produce a gown which I found in it—there were marks of blood on the skirt of it, and the body appears to have been recently washed—I also found in one of the boxes a piece of muslin and a toilet-cover, upon which I perceived marks of what I believe to be blood—they are on them now—they have not been washed since—they are just in the same state in which I saw them—on 31st Aug. I was at Southampton—I came up in the train from Southampton with Langley and the male prisoner—while in the train he asked me if I had seen his wife—I said I had not—he said, "Do you think I shall see her to-morrow?"—I said, "I don't know, but I don't think you will be allowed to see her."

Q. Had you given him any caution in coming up, while speaking to you? A. Yes; I did directly after he asked me if I had seen his wife; I said, "This is a very serious affair, Manning; I am an officer, don't say anything to me that will prejudice yourself"—he said, "I am perfectly aware of all that; I was very foolish to go away, for I ought to have staid and explained all"—when I told him I thought he would not be allowed to see his wife, he said, "If I could see her in the presence of a Magistrate and a Clergyman the would confess all, for it was her that shot O'Connor"—he said that she had invited him to dinner, and laid the cloth, and she shot him as she was walking behind him down stairs—he said she was a very violent woman, and would think no more of killing a man than she would of killing a cat, and that he had frequently been afraid of his own life; for on one occasion she followed him with a drawn knife—he said she was determined to be revenged upon O'Connor, for it was him that induced them to take the house in Miniver-place—he said it had cost them 30l. for furnishing the house, and O'Connor had promised to come and lodge with them—he said he was out of town at the time, and when he returned, his wife told him that O'Connor had slept there one night, and refused to remain any longer—when he said that his wife shot him, I made an observation, and said, "It appears by the papers that there were several other wounds in the head; "but he made no reply to that—I do not recollect any thing else—he mentioned about his brother, and so on—he asked if I had seen his brother—I said I had, and there was a good deal of general conversation.—[The following note was here read:—"Wednesday morning.—Dear O'Connor,—"We shall be happy to see you to dine with us to-day, at half-past five o'clock.—Yours, affectionately, Maria Manning "—directed" P. O'Connor, ganger, London Docks."]

MR. BALLAHTINE to ANN HARMES. Q. Had you seen Mrs. Manning on the Thursday and Friday? A. Yes; I do not know whether she had on a black satin dress on both those days.

MR. BALLANTINE to EMILY HARMBS. Q. Did you notice the dress that Mrs. Manning had on? A. No, I did not—I only noticed the cape.

JOHN HAYNES re-examined, I delivered to Mr. Olding part of the dress in the same state in which I took possession of it.

WILLIAM OLDING . I am a practical chemist. I have made experiments on part of this dress with a view to ascertain what the stains are—I have subjected it to the usual chemical tests, and have arrived at the conclusion that the stains are blood.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. When did you make the experiments? A. Last Wednesday morning—I was not examined before the Magistrate—no one was present but myself—I am twenty years of age—the

piece I have used was cut out of this dress—I did not boil it, I allowed it to stand in cold distilled water; it was cut from the left side of the skirt here (pointing to it)—the stains were like these, but rather a thicker stain—I chose it on that account—I cannot say that the stains on the collar are blood. MR. BODKIN. Q. Are you the son of Mr. Olding, surgeon to the police force? A. Yes; I have been studying chemistry five years—I have obtained prizes at Guy's Hospital, and at the College of Chemistry, and have received a certificate from Dr. Hoffmann—there is very little blood on the white collar compared with what is on the dress—it is not a stain of ironmould, or any colouring matter which I am acquainted with—I cannot say what it is positively—it is more like blood than any thing else.

COURT. Q. YOU say the stains on the dress are stains of blood; state how you come to that conclusion ? A, I cut out the stained portion of the dress and cut it into several slips, which I suspended one after another in a small quantity of distilled water; they imparted their colour to the water—it was a smoky red colour, from which I afterwards obtained a precipitate indicating albumen, one of the constituents of the blood—the colouring matter was not affected by the materials I used; it was not any colouring matter with which I am acquainted—there is no direct chemical process which will identify blood stains—my chemical process included a very large number of sources of stains, but I cannot swear it was blood—I did not examine it by the microscope; it did not appear to me to be a case suitable for micro-scopic observation—it is stated that the globules of blood can be detected long after.

FRANCIS WORRELL STEVENS . I am a stock-broker, carrying on business at 3, Royal Exchange—I was acquainted with the late Patrick O'Connor—I did business for him on several occasions—on 3d Aug. I purchased for him ten shares of the Sambre and Meuse Railway, Nos. 6460 to 6469, and delivered them on the 6th—they had been ordered on the 2d or 3d—on or about the 11th May, I purchased for him ten shares in the Amiens and Boulogne Railway, Nos. 48,665 to 48,674—I delivered them to him on 11th May—I recollect Mrs. Manning very well—she came to my office on 1st, 2nd, or 3d Aug.—I rather think it was the 1st—she introduced herself by saying, she had been recommended by Patrick O'Connor, to come to me to invest some money, 200l. or 300l.—she asked me what shares or stock she could buy in England, which she could sell abroad—I asked her to be kind enough to say where she was going to, that I might better advise her—after some little hesitation she said, "Paris"—then I said, "Perhaps you had better purchase French rentes"—she asked me for the foreign railway list, and I showed it to her—she asked me what shares she could purchase which did not require to be registered, because she said she wished to sell the property again without the control of her husband—she asked me if she purchased Boulogne and Amiens, and also Sambre and Meuse, if she could sell them again without her husband's controul—I said, "Certainly you can"—she said she would call again, and went away—I did not see her afterwards.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Was it on 3d Aug. you purchased them for O'Connor? A. Yes; I did not purchase any Boulogne and Amiens—the Sambre and Meuse came to 27l. 10s.—it was in May I purchased the Amiens; they came to 71l. 17s. 6d.; they have diminished in value since; they would be about the same price in Aug., about 7l. per share—O'Connor never mentioned Mrs. Manning's name to me.

ALEXANDER LAMOND . I am a stock-broker. I wat acquainted with the Igte Patrick O'Connor—at the end of April, or the beginning of May I purchased for him 400l. in the Consolidated Stock of the Eastern Counties Railway, and witnessed the transfer of it to him—I was present when he signed, and witnessed his signature—(Mr. Green here produced a transfer in the book of the Eastern Counties Railway, dated 16th May, 1849)—this is the transfer executed by the late Patrick O'Connor—the shares were paid for the same day—I had purchased ten shares in the Sambre and Meuse Railway for him on 27th April; they are shares which pass from hand to hand without registration, scrip shares—I do not know the numbers of them—I received them from George Cooper Russell—I believe he is a broker—(Mr. Moxey here produced the following shares in the Sambre and Meuse Railway, Nos. 26,523 to 26,532)—I recognise these as shares which passed through our hands—with reference to this transaction they were brought to my office by George Cooper Russell's clerk.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Was Mrs. Manning introduced to you at any time by O'Connor? A. She was—I cannot say that she was introduced as a person with whom O'Connor was extremely intimate—she brought a note of introduction from him—she hid no dealings with me on the subject of shares—she asked me several questions about them, but nothing followed directly from her, my dealings were principally with O'Connor.

JOHN GREEN . I am clerk of the transfers in the Eastern Counties Railway—I produced this transfer of stock to Patrick O'Connor—this is the certificate of the transfer, and the one issued to Patrick O'Connor—we have no subsequent transfer of this stock in Aug. produced at the office.

JOHN HAY WARD . I am clerk in the office of the solicitor to the Treasury. I was present at the police office when John Bassett was examined; he is now dead—he then produced this certificate and assignment—I received them from him on 7th Sept., they have been in my possession ever since.

MR. GREEN (re-examined). This is the original certificate of the Eastern Counties Railway delivered to Patrick O'Connor, and this professes to be an assignment attached to it, but it is not executed.

HENRY WEBB SHILLIBEER . I am an attorney. I know Manning; I do not believe this signature, "O'Connor," to this transfer to be his—it does not bear the slightest resemblance to his—it seems to me to bear a strong resemblance to the handwriting of the body of the instrument—I never saw O'Connor's writing.

RICHARD HAMMOND . I am clerk to Killick and Co., share-brokers. I know the male prisoner—I did not see him execute this transfer; it is executed by John Bassett, and was brought to me, with the words," Patrick O'Connor," wet, on 11th Aug., by Mr. Bassett—the male prisoner was then in the office—when he entered the place he said, "I have come about business, is anybody in?"—I said, "Yes; what is your pleasure?"—he said, "I was here before about some Eastern Counties shares"—I said, "Have you brought the shares with you?"—he said, "Yes;" and I introduced him to Mr. Bassett, in the private room—I did not know his name—after some talk, Mr. Bassett came out to me and asked me for 110l.—I gave him 100l. Bank of England note, No. 15043, dated June 5th, 1849—a 5l. note, No. 20051, July 13th, 1849, and five sovereigns—I saw him hand them across the table to Manning, who represented himself as O'Connor, in the private room—I took down the numbers in pencil, in this book, at the time Mr. George

Nash Linthorn, a share-dealer, was there—he had some long conversation with this party—I did not hear the name of O'Connor mentioned in Manning's presence—I took the name of O'Connor from this paper—on 20th Aug., at nine o'clock in the morning, I went to the Bank for the purpose of stopping payment of the 100l. note—I identified it in the library, from the name of Charles James Butler written on it, which was on it at the time I handed it over.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. Do you know it by any other mark? A. By the number, and the endorsement, Charles James Butler—I do not know him—he has not done any business at the office—the note was in my pocket at the office—the memorandum was made in this book at the time, on Saturday, 11th Aug.—our manager was out of town, or I should not have been so particular; and when there are heavy notes, I enter them in this book, the manager being out—Killick and Co. are share-brokers—they are not members of the Stock Exchange—their place of business is 6, Bank Chambers—I cannot show you throughout the whole of that book any other instance in which I have taken the numbers of notes; it is not my department, but the manager, Henry Flight, was in Gloucester-shire—he went out afterwards for two days, and I was in the same position—I had this book then, and on former occasions, but he has not been absent for four months before—I or another clerk dealt in money matters during his absence—I cannot show you any other numbers of notes in this book, but I can show you other books at the office.

HENRY WEBB SHILLIBBER re-examined. This signature, "Fred. Manning, 7, New Weston-street, Bermondsey," on this note, is the undisguised hand-writing of the male prisoner—it is my belief that this" Patrick O'Connor" on the transfer is not his writing.

GEORGE NASH LINTHORN . I am a share-dealer. On Saturday, 11th Aug., about half-past eleven o'clock, I was at the office of Killick and Co., a person came in about the sale of 400l. stock, and twenty Eastern Counties shares—to the best of my recollection I went into the private room—there was Bassett and a stranger there, who I did not take particular notice of, as I had no necessity, merely looking in to see what was doing—I remember the transfer being examined by the stranger, and could recognise it again most distinctly—these are the twenty shares of the 400l. stock, and this is the transfer (looking at it)—the stranger executed it—I saw him write it—I was not at the police-office—I was ill in bed—I have seen Manning since—I cannot recognise him—I was exceedingly ill—there was nobody present but me, Bassett, and the stranger, when I went in—Hammond, the clerk, came in afterwards—I saw the money paid to the person who signed the transfer—a 100l. note, a 5l. note, and five sovereigns.

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT WILKINS. Q. What took you there? A. I was in the habit of going there every morning from eleven o'clock to half-past—I had no interest in the establishment, no more than doing business there—I am a share-dealer—I do not deal in anything else—I never officiated as an attorney's clerk—my attention was directed to the document simply because the person who was in the habit of managing the business, was out of town, and I was on intimate terms at the office—I was requested by Hammond, and I think also by Bassett, in the absence of the principals, to make out transfers, as he was out of town—I was asked by Hammond if I would just go in—I did not make out the transfer, but I looked over Bassett, who was not used to make out transfers—he wrote the body of it—he did not

write this "George Clark"—I have never seen it before—I will not take on myself to say whether the sum was written then—I have no particular place of business—I am a dealer, as a great many others have been for years—I have no office at present; I have had one at 48, Threadneedle-street; that was when the railway mania was in its decline—I have never carried on any business but a share-dealer—I have done very little other business—I have been for the last twenty or twenty-five years connected with the City, dealing in shares and the funds, as many others are, and thousands—I had an office in 1846, No. 7, I believe, in Threadneedle-street—I believe I had it as much as twelve months—I paid the rent, but I cannot say whether for twelve or nine months—I rented it of Mr. Buck, a hair-dresser—it was an office in his establishment—I have had no office in my life except, on that occasion—I am not a housekeeper—I live at 47, Dean street, Soho, and have the second floor and part of the third.

ARCHIBALD GRIFFITHS . I am a clerk in the Bank of England. On Saturday, 11th Aug., this 100l. note was brought to the Bank to be changed—this name and address," Frederick Manning, 7, New Weston-street, Bermondsey, "was then on the back of it—it is the practice of the Bank to require it—I gave the party fifty sovereigns, and this ticket (produced), which would enable a party to get notes to the amount of 50l.

JOSEPH REECE ADAMS . I am a clerk in the Bank. On 11th Aug. this blue ticket was presented to me, and I gave for it five 10l. notes, numbers 67372 to 67376 inclusive, dated 11th June. (These were the numbers of the notes found by Mr. Moxey.)

JOHN BLATCHFORD . I have been for several years the attorney of the late Patrick O'Connor—this signature," Patrick O'Connor," to this transfer, is not his writing.

HENRY BARNES (re-examinad). I went in an omnibus from Miniver-place to Greenwood-street, Mile-end—it took me in thirty-five minutes; twenty-five minutes in a cab; and forty-two minutes to walk.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Have you measured the distance? A, No, I could not—it is done every day if a dispute arises about cab fares—when I walked it was twelve minutes to five o'clock in the evening; when I started for the omnibus it was five minutes past six—I did not get an omnibus immediately—I reckon the time I started to the time I arrived at the house—I walked from Miniver-place to Gracechurch-street before I got the omnibus—there was a little walking as well—the cab I went in was not a Hansom's cab.

JAMES KING . I am employed in the London-docks. On Friday, 10th Aug., the postman brought this letter to me there—I gave it as I received it to Lackington, the messenger, to take to O'Connor's house—I did not open it.

LACKINGTON. I am a messenger in the London-docks. I took this letter to Greenwood-street, by the direction of Mr. King—I left it there.

MR. BALLANTINE to RICHARD WELCH. Q. You told the Court, on the day after you left the lime at Manning's house, you called, and received three halfpence; have you a distinct recollection of the person from whom you received it, or may you be mistaken? A. I may be mistaken about it; it was a female.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q, Who do you believe it was? A. I believe it was the female prisoner.




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