14th January 1830
Reference Numbert18300114-234
VerdictsGuilty; Guilty; Guilty
SentencesTransportation; Transportation

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467. JAMES HOOK was indicted for stealing, on the 22nd of December , 400lbs. weight of twine, value 11l. 19s., and 12 skeins of cord, value 1s. , the goods of Edward Newman ; JOHN WAKELEY and SAMUEL GODDARD

were indicted for feloniously receiving 36lbs. weight of twine, value 29s., and 12 skeins of cord, value 1s., part of the said goods, well knowing it to have been stolen .

MR. PHILLIPS conducted the prosecution.

EDWARD NEWMAN . I am a rope-maker , and live at Deptford. On the morning of the 16th of December I went to my warehouse fronting Deptford-creek ; and found the premises were broken open in two parts - I missed rope and twine to the value of nearly 60l.; I remember, on the 11th of December, three men came to my warehouse, and I have not the least doubt that Hook was one of them - they came to sell some old rope, and two of them went to the window, where it is unusual for such men to go; it struck me that they took more than usual notice of the premises - they were looking about a particular window, which was one that was broken open.

COURT. Q.Was the cord and twine in a state in which it could be sold? A.Part of it was.

JAMES VALLOR . I am foreman to Mr. Newman. On the 16th of December I went to his premises, and saw the window broken; a ticket in my own hand-writing, which had been in the warehouse on the night of the 15th, was afterwards shown to me at the Thames Police-office - that ticket had been with the twine, and was missed from the warehouse; if it had been sold, the ticket would have been taken off - when I take twine out for sale, I take off the ticket before I enter it in the book; I afterwards saw some twine and a bundle of cord at the Thames Police-office.

ELIZABETH FITCH . I am the wife of James Fitch. The prisoner Hook came to our house on the 17th of December; my husband was not at home - Hook asked me for the horse and cart, which I lent him; the cart was empty when he took it away, between five and six o'clock in the evening - he brought it back in about an hour, nearly full of rope and twine; it remained there till the evening of the 21st, and was then taken away.

Cross-examined by MR. HEATON. Q.Had you seen Hook before that? A. Yes; I do not know the prosecutor's premises.

JAMES FITCH . I live at No. 1, Sydney-street, Poplar. On the 18th of December I saw Hook, whom I have known some years: he engaged me to drive this rope and twine over to the Borough, and promised to meet me there, but he did not come - I brought it back to my own yard, and it remained there till the 21st, when it was taken away; on Sunday, the 20th, I saw Hook, Wakeley, and another man - they were looking about my yard, and at the cart, and the goods in it; I was in the stable - they afterwards came into the stable to me, and asked if I or Amsdell were going to stand any thing to drink; I fetched some gin, and it was drank between us.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q.Then you had these in your possession four or five days? A. It was there from the 17th to the 21st; any one might have seen it - Wakeley had hired my cart before; he is a marine-store dealer, I believe; Amsdell is a baker, and his cart stands on my premises - I did not stand the drink.

COURT. Q. How long have you known Hook? A. Four or five years; he is a fisherman - the twine was a great deal like fishermens' twine - I had no suspicion but that it was his property.

Cross-examined by MR. HEATON. Q.Was it small twine? A. Yes.

AMELIA FITCH . I am daughter of James Fitch: I know Hook; I saw him in the yard, and Wakeley came while he was there - they were looking into the cart.

Cross-examined by MR. CRESWELL. Q.Did you not show Wakeley the way into the yard? A. Yes; I saw him conversing with Hook, and go away.

Cross-examined by MR. HEATON. Q.Were you at home on the Friday or Saturday? A. No, I was at my aunt's; I have known Hooks a long while.

JOHN AMSDELL . I am a baker, and live at No. 44, Well-street, Poplar; I keep a horse and cart at Mr. Fitch's yard. On the 20th of December I went to have my horse cleaned; I saw Hook and Fitch there, and I afterwards saw Wakeley - Fitch was in the stable, doing up his horse - I was doing the same; I saw Hook and Wakeley looking into the cart, which was there, and had some rope and line in it - there was some gin fetched.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Is Fitch a friend of yours? A. No, not particularly so, only I have kept my horse and cart there about sixteen months, and pay him.

Cross-examined by MR. HEATON. Q.Who paid for the gin? A.Wakeley - I did not notice that Fitch looked into the cart; he did not exercise any authority over it.

HENRY TURNER . On the 20th of December I went by the side of the water at Limehouse-cut; I saw Goddard and two other men raking little bundles of rope out of the cut with a rake and a boat-hook; I knew Goddard before- he said to me, "Don't take notice;" I am sure he said that - he was laying the bundles of rope on the side of the bank; I had seen him a day or two before, near the same place, with a sack, which appeared full of something - I asked him how heavy it was; he said very heavy, and I said he might put it into my cart - he did so, and a good way further on he took it out and put it on his shoulder; he asked me to drive on, because he wanted to make haste - the roads were very slippery, and it would not have been safe for me to have gone fast; it appeared to me there was some rope-yarn in it.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q.What day was it? A. I cannot tell: I believe it was on a Tuesday - it was in December; I had a butt and some wash in it; I was in Bromley-lane; it was about two days before I saw Goddard with the other men; I do not know whether they were White and Judge, the officers - I did not say at the office that they were; I said I could not tell whether they were there or not - I did at first say White was one and Judge the other, and swore so; I believe the day was before Christmas - I will not swear that; it was between seven and eight o'clock in the morning - Isaac King was with me; I did not observe any person going by.

THOMAS GRAY . I am a Thames Police-officer. On the 23rd of December I apprehended Hook at his house; I told him it was on suspicion of a robbery at Mr. Newman's, at Deptford-creek - I did not threaten or promise him any thing, but the next day he told me that two men in a ship's boat, came and brought a quantity of line and twine to him - that he had hired a cart of Fitch's, and Fitch was not at home; he said he did not know the man who brought it to him, but he was to dispose of it, if he

could; that he could not dispose of it, and took it to Limehouse-cut, and hove it overboard; I asked if he knew the two men; he said he would tell me no more, as he had told me enough; I went to Wakeley's on the 22nd (I believe) with Judge and White - I found a quantity of lines, twines, and a bundle of box cord; some of them were in a water-butt; the officer who executed the warrant asked him about them, and he said Goddard brought them to his house - Wakeley is a dealer in marine-stores, and keeps a melting place: he had a crucible on the fire, and ran down 2 cwt. of metal while we were there: he is in an extensive line.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. How long have you been an officer? A.Thirteen years; I never saw any silver melted at Wakeley's, but I have copper - it might be in his way of trade; he was in his back premises - the place is open in the day time; there was some new copper concealed under some sacks - White took that, but we have found no charge against him for that, but he could not give a satisfactory account of it before the Magistrate; he has been employed at that for years; I saw the twine found in the butt - I was at the cut on the 24th or 25th, I believe - I did not see Turner there; it was in the afternoon - I found some rope, which was rather dirty; that was not the reason which Wakeley assigned for putting it into the water-butt.

Cross-examined by MR. HEATON. Q.You did not persuade Hook to say any thing? A. No; I did not upon my oath - he boys some sort of twine for use in his business; I asked if he knew the two men, and he said he did not - I did not caution him against telling any thing.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q.What time did you go to the cut? A.About twelve o'clock.

WILLIAM JUDGE. I went with this witness and White to Wakeley's premises, and in a stable, at the back of the premises; I saw a water-butt - I found something in it, got the tongs, and found a bundle of twelve skeins of box cord - Goddard and Wakeley were both present; I went the next day to the cut, with White, Gray, and Hughes, and found twenty-two skeins of what is called ground twine and thirty-eight skeins of twine and line - this is it.

Cross-examined by MR. CRESWELL. Q.What did either Wakeley or Goddard say? A.Goddard said, "We washed it all there;" we went to the cut, because Goddard said, if any body would go with him to the place, he would show where he took it up; he said, there was some more, no doubt - on the first day I had only a boat-hook and a rake to get it out, and on the second day, I got a pair of drags.

JAMES WHITE . I am a Thames Police-officer; I went to Wakeley's. and found him in the melting place, and Goddard with him; I said I came to look for some rope and twine, Wakeley said, "Very well, look round" - I looked round and found it - Wakeley said Goddard brought it in about an hour before: Goddard said he had been to drown a cat in the cut, and had found it swimming there; I am sure he said that - Judge found twelve skeins of cord, but I was not there.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q.Then what Wakeley said, turned out to be true? A. Yes.

MR. NEWMAN. None of these articles would swim, they would sink like stones.

ALEXANDER HUGHES . I am an officer of the Thames Police; I found this ticket on part of the twine pulled out of the cut.

JAMES VALLOR . This is the ticket which was on the ground twine at Mr. Newman's; I have looked at all the property, and believe it is all, that which was stolen from his premises.

Cross-examined by MR. HEATON. Q.Can you swear to this ticket as your hand-writing? A. Yes; it is never sent out with the goods - it is my place to take it off, and enter the goods in the book; I have sent out the goods ever since I have been there.

MR. HEATON to MR. NEWMAN. Q. Is the cord in the state, in which it is sold? A. It is a little altered with the wet - it has all little pieces of string to which tickets have been attached, and they have been torn off, which they are not when it is sold; the persons who came to me on the 11th of December, came to sell rope - we frequently buy old rope.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Have customers any thing to do with the window, you saw Hook examining? A. No.

Wakeley's Defence. I am, it is true, numbered with marine store dealers, but my trade is a brass and copper manufacturer.

Goddard's Defence. I found the articles.

HOOK - GUILTY . Aged 34.

Transported for Seven Years .



Transported for Fourteen Years

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