14th January 1801
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142. JAMES WOOLDRIDGE was indicted for forging and counterfeiting, on the 29th of November , a Bank-note for the payment of 1l. with intent to defraud the Governor and Company of the Bank of England .

Second Count. Stating it to be a promissory note, with the like intent.

Third Count. For disposing of, and putting away a like promissory note, with the like intention.

Fourth Count. For uttering and publishing as true, a like forged promissory note, with the like intention; and four other Counts, charging the intention to be to defraud Abraham Roderiques .

(The indictment was stated by Mr. Giles, and the case opened by Mr. Garrow.)

ISAAC RODERIQUES sworn. - Examined by Mr. Fielding. My father keeps a butcher's shop in Whitechapel-road ; about eight weeks ago, to the best of my knowledge, a man came into my father's shop and asked the price of an haunch-bone of beef, and agreed to give sixpence a pound for it, the weight was eleven pounds and three quarters, which came to five shillings and ten-pence half-penny; the person gave my mother a two pound note, which she refused, the print appearing imperfect; he then pulled out of his pocket a parcel of notes, from the appearance of the bulk, there might have been fifteen in number.

Q. You only guess the number? - A. No; from which parcel he gave me a one pound note, which was readily taken; I asked him his name, he said it was James Edmonds; where do you live, asked I, at No. 9, King-street, answered he; what King-street? King-street, Mile-end, New-town, answered he, which name and place of abode I put upon the back of the said note.

Q. Look at that note? - A. That is the note.

Q. Was your mother present during the whole of this time? - A. She was.

Q. While this was passing, had you sufficient opportunity of observing the person with whom you were dealing? - A. The case was this; it was about eleven o'clock in the evening, my father went out, and I was left in his place to serve the customers.

Q. What sort of light was there in your shop? - A. About twelve candles.

Q. Look at the prisoner? - A. To the best of my knowledge, he appears to be the same man.

Cross-examined by Mr. Gurney. Q. This was on the Saturday night? - A. It was.

Q. Saturday night, at eleven o'clock, is generally

a very busy time? - A. Sometimes it is, and sometimes it is not.

Q. How did it happen to be that night? - A. There were, I think, five customers in the shop.

Q. And who were in the shop to serve them? - A. Myself, my mother, and a servant.

Q. How soon after you sold this beef was it, that you saw the prisoner in custody? - A. I cannot say.

Q. Four or five weeks, was not it? - A. It might be.

Q. When you first saw him before the Magistrate, I believe you did not speak to his person? - A. I was not requested to speak to him.

Q. When you first saw him, did you know him again? - A. From the impression it made on my mind at the time he bought the beef, to the best of my knowledge I believed him to be the man.

Q. Before you could say so much as that you believed him to be the man, was he not dressed up in three or four different ways by the order of the officers? - A. He had.

Q. Can you give any reason upon earth why that was done? - A. I cannot.

Mr. Fielding. Q. What is the first name of your father? - A. Abraham.

DEBORAH RODERIQUES sworn. - Examined by Mr. Knowlys. My husband keeps a butcher's shop in Whitechapel; about eleven o'clock on Saturday night, a man came to our shop, and purchased an haunch-bone of beef, my son agreed for the price; I was there to take the money, the man gave me a two pound note, which I refused; my son then asked him for a one pound note; he had a bundle of Bank-notes in his hand, out of which he gave me a one pound; my son then asked him what his name was; he said his name was James Edmonds; he asked him where he lived, he said, at No. 29, King-street; he asked him, what King-street, he answered, King-street, Mile-end New-town; I gave him the change, the haunch-bone of beef came to five shillings and ten-pence halfpenny; I gave him two seven shilling pieces and one penny halfpenny; then I went in and the man went away; my son wrote upon the back of the note, the man's name, and where he lived.

Q. Look at the prisoner at the bar, is he the man who came to purchase the haunch-bone of beef? - A. Apparently, to the best of my knowledge, he is the man.

Q. How soon after did you see the prisoner again? - A. The first time, was the Saturday after Christmas-day, at the office.

Q. When was it the beef was bought? - A. I cannot justly say, but it was in November, and it was on a Saturday night.

Q. When you saw him at the office, what was your opinion of the man? - A. To the best of my knowledge, it was the same man that gave me the note.

Cross-examined by Mr. Alley. Q. It was four or five weeks between the time when the beef was sold, and the time when you saw the man at the office? - A. Yes.

Q. You had several examinations, had you not? - A. Only two.

Q. In consequence of the manner in which you expressed yourself concerning your knowledge of the prisoner at the bar, at the next examination was not his dress changed? - A. Yes, it was.

Q. Was not that done for the purpose of removing the difficulties you had upon your mind with respect to the person? - A. The first sight I had of the man, it appeared to be the same man that gave me the note, to the best of my knowledge.

Q. Was it not in consequence of the doubtful manner in which you had expressed yourself, that this man's dress was changed - Was not the motive for so doing that you might be better able to speak to his being the man? - A. I cannot say.

Mr. Knowlys. Q. Did you give any directions, or express any with that any alterations should be made? - A. No, I never saw any body to say so.

Q. Was he at any time produced at the office dressed in pantaloons? - A. Yes, he had grey pantaloons on when he was in our shop.

Q. What were the colour of the pantaloons that he had on at the office? - A. They were grey.

Q. Did they appear to be the same sort of pantaloons? - A. I cannot say; there are many grey pantaloons, but they were of the same sort.

WILLIAM SMITH sworn. - Examined by Mr. Giles. I am servant to Mr. Roderiques: On Saturday evening, the latter end of November, a person came into our shop, and asked the price of an haunch-bone of beef; he offered to pay for it with a two pound note, which my mistress refused, she asked for a one pound note, upon which the man pulled out a number of Bank-notes; he gave my young master a one pound note, which he took readily; my young master wrote the man's name upon it, he said his name was James Edmonds .

Q. It was on a Saturday night? - A. Yes, I cannot say what day of the month.

Q. Was there plenty of light in the shop? - A. Yes.

Q. How long did this person remain in your shop? - A. I suppose a quarter of an hour.

Q. Had you an opportunity of observing his person? - A. Yes, I looked at him.

Q. Look at the prisoner at the bar? - A. I really believe, to the best of my knowledge, that to be the same man.

Q. How soon after did you see the man again? - A. About five weeks after, at the office; the

same evening myself and another servant went to enquire after him, because my misterss had some suspicions.

Q. Did you find any person of that name and address, or did you find any such number? - A. No, there was no such number as 9 in that street.

Q. Nor any person of that name to be found? - A. No.

Q. When you saw the prisoner at the office, what was the impression upon your mind concerning him? - A. I took particular notice of him when he was in our shop, and I looked at him when I was at the office, and I believed him to be the same man.

Cross-examined by Mr. Gurney. Q. Did you think before you went that you should know the man? - A. Yes, I did.

Q. Did not you say the contrary - Did not you tell some person that it was not worth while your going, for you should not know him? - A. No.

Q. Did you attend at the first examination? - A. Not at the first examination.

Q. There were five or six customers in the shop? - A. Yes.

Q. Who was employed in serving them? - A. My young master.

Q. Did he serve them all? - A. They did not all boy meat at one time.

Q. Who was attending to them while this was passing about a Bank-note? - A. There was nobody served at that time.

Q. They all stood still? - A. Yes.

Q. No attention was paid at all to the other customers? - A. Only to see that nothing was taken away.

Q. Who was upon the look-out? - A. Me and another servant, and a lad besides.

Mr. Giles. Q. Now, looking at the prisoner at the bar, have you any doubt that he is the same man who was in you shop that evening? - A. I have no doubt but what he is the same man.

THOMAS BLISS sworn. - Examined by Mr. Fielding. I am inspector of Bank-notes, (the note in question shewn to him); this is forged note without the least doubt whatever. (The note read.)

BENJAMIN PRITCHARD sworn. - Examined by Mr. Garrow. I am a patten-iron maker, No. 8, King-street, Mile-End New-Town; I have known the prisoner at the bar nine or ten years; he was an anvil-marker, at Wolverhampton; the prisoner was at my house the latter end of October last.

Q. How soon after you had first seen him there, did he make any application to you respecting Bank-notes? - A. In about five or six days the prisoner calld upon me again; there was nothing then passed about Bank-notes that I can particularly tell.

Q. Did he at any time make any application to you with respect to a five pound Bank-note? - A. Yes, about ten days after he first called; he then asked me if I could let him have a five pound note for small notes, I think they were all one pound notes, but I am not certain, there might be one of two pound, and three of one pound.

Q. Did you, in the course of you business, attempt to pay away those notes? - A. Yes.

Q. Had you any difficulty with respect to any one of them? - A. One was refused.

Q. Did you communicate that circumstance to the prisoner at the bar? - A. Yes.

Q. What did you do with it? - A. I gave it to him again, and he gave me another for it.

Q. Where was this? - A. In my own house.

Q. Did you, at that time, see any others in his possession? - A. No.

Q. Did you see him after that with any number of Bank-notes in his possession? - A. Yes.

Q. How long after? - A. A short time after, I cannot say exactly, it was in November.

Q. As near as you can tell, how many were there? - A. There might be as many as eight or ten, I cannot tell; he said he was going to buy some things to send into the country to his wife; I asked him if they were good notes, and he said there were some good and some bad.

Q. Did you tell him your reason for asking him that question? - A. Yes, I did, because I had had a note refused that I had taken from him; he said, if he could pay one away a week, it would be a great thing for him, he said, he was going into business.

Q. At the time you gave him the note back that had been refused, did he make any difficulty in changing it for you? - A. No, he said he was soon going into the country; I saw him again after he returned from the country, which was nine or ten days after the conversation.

Q. Do you remember his coming to your house, and bringing a joint of meat? - A. Yes, on a Saturday night, I cannot say when.

Q. Was it in the month of November? - A. It was late in the month of November; he brought home a haunch-bone of beef, he put it down, and said, that would do for dinner to-morrow.

Q. What time of night was it? - A. Between ten and eleven, I believe it was nearer eleven than ten; I saw no more of him that night; he dined with me on the Sunday.

Q. Do you recollect a person, who was bricklayer, calling upon the prisoner? - A. Yes, twice; he called once, and the prisoner was not at home.

Q. It was after the haunch-bone of beef was brought? - A. Yes.

Q. Can you inform the Court, how soon after he brought the beef it was that the bricklayer called the first time? - A. On the Sunday; the

next day he called again, on the Monday, in the evening.

Q. Did he see the prisoner then? - A. Yes.

Q. Did they leave your house together? - A. Yes.

Q. Did the prisoner return to his lodgings that might? - A. Not at all that night.

Q. When you saw him again, did he tell you any thing that the bricklayer had communicated to him? - A. Yes; he said the bricklayer had told him there had been some people enquiring for him at the shop, and that one was an officer; he said he should not stop with me, he should go out of town.

Q. Upon his telling you this, what did you say? - A. I told him I supposed they wanted to arrest him; and he said, they did.

Q. To arrest him for what? - A. For debt.

Q. Did you mention any other reason for which they might want him? - A. Yes, I told him I supposed they wanted him for what they had him before at the Whitechapel-office.

Q. What was that about? - A. He told me he had a kinsman in troubel about a note, and he told him he would go in the morning, and then he was liberated; that was Francis Wooldridge ; he said it was about a bad note.

Q. I am asking you about the conversation that you had with him about the bricklayer? - A. He said he should not stop in town.

Q. Do you recollect what he said would be the consequence if he did not go out of town? - A. No; he said they had been seeking after him several times at the shop.

Q. From that time did he ever return to your house? - A. No.

Q. Did his clothes continue there? - A. Yes; on Friday evening, teh 19th of December, he came to me, and told me he was going into the country, and desired me to bring or send his clothes to the Windsor Castle, in Holborn; he came into my shop; and there I left him for a short time.

Q. The smith's shop, where the forge was? - A. Yes; I had been absent four or five minutes; when I returned, he was burning something on the fire.

Q. Do you know of your own observation, or from what he told you, what that something was? A. I suspected it to be notes, they appeared to be papers of the size of Bank-notes.

Q. Had he the poker in his hand? - A. He took tip the poker and laid it upon the bundle of papers to press them down.

Q. Have you any doubt that there were papers resembling Bank-notes? - A. None; he said he could not stop a moment; he said, I have seen the bricklayer, and the bricklayer tells me that the same people have been seeking for me at the shop, and I cannot stop a minute, he went away directly, and did not stop half a minute.

Q. Did he take his clothes with him? - A. No.

Q. Were they of a size that he could conveniently have taken them if he had had time to stop for them? - A. He might have taken them himself if they had been collected together; I carried them myself to the Windsor Castle, in Holborn; where I saw him; he said, I shall go into the country on the coach to-morrow.

Q. Do you know butcher of the name of Roderiques? - A. Yes.

Q. Did you ever buy meat there? - A. Yes. they call him Saul.

Q. Did the prisoner know that you dealt for meat there? - A. He has been with me there to buy meat once, or it may be more, I cannot say.

Q. He boarded as well as lodged with you? - A. Yes.

Cross-examined by Mr. Alley. - Q. Do you live in King-street? - A. Yes.

Q. From the last question and answer, I should suppose you are a family man, and have a wife and servants? - A. Yes.

Q. Are any of them here? - A. No.

Q. They must have known of these circumstances as well as you? - A. Yes.

Q. And they partook of this haunch-bone of beef perhaps? - A. Yes.

Q. And yet they are not here? - A. No.

Q. Where was it that he asked you to give him a five pound note for small notes? - A. At my own house.

Q. Have you ever been taken up yourself for forgery? - A. They fetched me from my house.

Q. Were you not taken up and accused of being yourself guilty of forgery? - A. When they took me they said nothing at all to me; they sent me to Cold-bath fields person.

Q. Did they not tell you why they sent you to Cold bath-fields? - A. Mr. Bliss found in my pocket three notes, which I had had from Wooldridge, and which he said Wooldridge had in his pocket when he was at the office before.

Q. Do you mean, upon your oath, to say you did not know that you were charged yourself with a forgery at the time you were sent to Cold-bathfields prison? - A. They said nothing to me about forgery.

Q. I ask you again, did you or not know that you were charged with a forgery? - A. I heard nothing about forgery at the time.

Q. How many examinations might you have attended before the Magistrates at Lambeth-street? - A. I was down three times, but was never called for but twice.

Q. Were you examined before you were sent to Cold-bath-fields? - A. They asked me no questions at all.

Q. Do you mean to say, the Magistrates sent you to Cold-bath-fields before they examined you? - A. Yes; I never was examined at all.

Q. Do you mean to say, that you were sent to prison without calling upon you for a defence against the charge? - A. I have told you it was for three 1l. notes that were found in my pocket.

Q. Have you always told the truth before the Magistrate when you were called upon? - A. Yes.

Q. Did you, at the first examination, say that the notes found upon you were given you by the prisoner for a five pound note? - A. I did.

Q. Did you not, when called upon by the Magistrate, say that you received them from the prisoner for a debt of four pounds twelve shillings? - A. I said no such thing; for the Magistrate even asked me where I got my five pound note.

Q. Then I am to understand you that you said no such thing? - A. No.

Q. Do you know a Mr. Tilsey? - A. Yes, a cheesemonger, at Whitechapel.

Q. The one pound note that you returned to the prisoner; and which he changed, you had offered to Mr. Tilsey, in Whitechapel? - A. Yes.

Q. Upon your oath, did you not say to Tilsey when you offered it to him, that you had received it from a different quarter? - A. Yes; I told him I believed I had received it that morning in Leadenhall-market in change for a five pound note.

Q. And you now think fit to say you had it from the prisoner at the bar? - A. Yes; when I came home I recollected that I had it from the prisoner. I had changed a five pound note and received three one pound notes that morning in Leadenhall-market; but when I came home I recollected that I had wrapped up three one pound notes together, and the other was by itself: after Tilsey had refused that note, I unwrapped the others, and I thought it must be that single note, by its being wrapped up by itself: it was in the morning I had been in Leadenhall-market, and in the evening I was at Mr. Tilsey's.

Q. Did you mention this at the Magistrate's at Whitechapel? - A. Yes; they asked me, and I told them so.

Q. You said you did not know of your having been commited for a forgery? when were you first applied to to be a witness on this occasion? - A. Last Friday but one, at the last examination.

Q. Were you not told that you would be yourself prosecuted if you did not become a witness against the prisoner? - A. Nobody told me so.

Q. Did it happen that you employed an attorney to defend you? - A. I did not employ one; but there was one employed for me unknown to me; that was at the third examination.

Q. Do you not know that you were charged with forgery, and did he not recommend it to you to turn King's evidence? - A. No; he said my brother had employed him, and he was to ask me such questions as he thought proper.

Q. Did you not, from his representations, know and believe that you would be prosecuted if you did not turn evidence? - A. He told me nothing about evidence; he said he was to attend upon me at Whitechapel office.

Q. I ask you were not you taken from the office into a private room, and was it not some time after you had been shut up with your attorney before you agreed to become a witness? - A. No; they said nothing to me about witness.

Q. Do you mean to say you were not threatened to be prosecuted if you did not turn King's evidence? - A. Nobody threatened me.

Q. Did it happen that you were in irons at all? - A. Yes.

Q. When were they taken off? - A. At the third examination.

Q. Were your irons taken off till after you had had this conversation with your attorney? - A. I had no private conversation, it was all public, and they said nothing at all about evidence; they proposed to bail me, that was what they took me out for.

Q. And you have not been bailed yet? - A. No.

Q. You came in custody here? - A. Yes.

Q. Were you ever in custody before? - A. Yes, in Staffordfhire.

Q. What were you in custody for? - A. An assault; I never was found guilty in any Court of Justice at all.

Q. Do you mean to swear you were in custody at that time for nothing but an assault? - A. Yes.

Q. Do you mean to say you were not in custody and tried for house-breaking, or any felony? - A. No.

Q. Have you ever been tried at Coventry? - A. Yes; that was on suspicion of robbery, and there I was honourably acquitted.

Q. Have you never been in custody for any other offence? - A. No.

Q. Have you never been in custody for a highway robbery? - A. No.

Q. Do you know Mr. Hugh Moore? - A. Yes.

Q. Upon your oath, did he never charge you with a highway robbery? - A. No, never.

Q. Do you mean to swear that you were never charged by Mr. Hugh Moore with any felony or theft upon his property? - A. No.

Q. Were you ever charged by Mr. Moore with any offence? - A. None at all.

Mr. Garrow: Q. When you first went to the office you had three Bank-notes in your possession, I understand? - A. Yes.

Q. Were they examined by Mr. Bliss? - A. Yes.

Q. From whom had you received them? - A. I received them from James Wooldridge.

Q. Have these notes since been returned to you? - A. No; Mr. Bliss told me they were good notes.

Q. Had you, upon your oath, any thing to do with the forging, or the uttering of the note now in question? - A. No.

Mr. Garrow. (To Mr. Bliss.) Q. Do you know any thing of three Bank-notes that were found upon the witness at the office? - A. Yes; which three notes were found upon this prisoner on the 27th of November, when he appeared for his kinsman Francis, and which were good notes; we took copies of them each time; I told Pritchard that these notes had been produced by Wooldridge.

Mr. Alley. Q. When Pritchard was first examined before the Magistrate, was what he said taken down in writing? - A. I really do not know.

THOMAS FERRIDAY sworn. Examined by Mr. Garrow. I am a smith; I live in White's-yard, Rosemary-lane; I know the prisoner at the bar, James Wooldridge : I saw Francis Wooldridge on Thursday, 18th December, at a public-house in Holborn, and after I had been there about five hours the prisoner came in.

Q. Do you recollect the sign of the house? - A. No.

Q. Should you know it if you heard it? - A. I think I should.

Q. Was it any Castle? - A. Yes.

Q. Was it the Windsor-Castle? - A. Yes.

Q. Did you go there by appointment? - A. I went with Francis Wooldridge on purpose to meet James Wooldridge.

Q. Had you any conversation with the prisoner respecting any forged Bank-notes, and of his know ledge of their having been forged?

Mr. Alley took an objection to the question, which, having been argued on both sides, Mr. Baron Thompson proceeded as follows: -

The question proposed to be put to the witness seems to me to inquire after a conversation which the witness is supossed to have had with the prisoner at the bar, on the 18th of December, at the distance of about-three, weeks from the day when the note in question was uttered to Roderiques; and the effect of that conversation is something from which a knowledge of the forgery may be inferred as to the goodness or badness of certain notes then in his possession. It is supposed further, that an inference may be drawn of his knowledge and skill in discovering good notes from bad notes antecedent to the time; but it seems to me, unless the conversation goes so far as to affect the prisoner with the general knowledge of good notes and bad notes antecedent to that time, so as to connect it with the time when he really uttered this note, his then knowledge of a good note from a forged note, will not of itself be sufficient to afford the inference that at the time he uttered the note in question he necessarily knew that note to be forged, because he is speaking only of the knowledge of specific note in his possession, and the knowledge that he has of good notes from forged notes; but if the conversation goes further than that, and has any relation to notes that he has before issued, and to his knowledge of the goodness or badness of such notes before that time, in that case only, I think, is that conversation admissible.

Mr. Garrow (To Ferriday). Q. Upon your meeting with the prisoner at the bar at the Windsor Castle upon the 18th of December, did he say any thing to you with respect to forged Bank-notes? - A. After I had been some time in his company, he said his relation Frank had been taken up for a had Bank-note, and had been tried for it at the office; he said he looked so foolish with respect to Bank-notes he did not know any thing about it; that he told the Magistrate he had it of his master, and that he, Francis, had called James for ward, and that he owned to it that he had given that note to him; he said Frank was always getting into some foolish scrape or another; he said he himself had given the officer a card of his place and shop where he lived, in Nightingale-lane; he said he had had a quantity of bad Bank-notes; I asked him what he had done with them; he told me he had passed them over Blackfriars-bridge and Westminster-bridge, and round the Borough; the next day I was to see some of them; I was to meet him at six o'clock at night.

Q. Were these notes that you were to see forged or good Bank-notes? - A. He said they were bad; he said they were at Mr. Pritchard's house.

Q. Did you know Pritchard? - A. Yes.

Q. Did you know he lodged there? - A. Yes.

Q. What was he going to do with them? - A. He said he was then going to pass them.

Q. Did you tell any body of this meeting that you had had with him? - A. Yes; I told Mr. Rogers, a Police officer, of on the 19th; I happened to meet him again at eight o'clock at night, and I went and found the prisoner there; he asked why I stopped so long; I told him I could not conveniently come sooner; I went there alone; he and I went together to Pritchard's; I went in without him; I did not get any thing, and I returned to the prisoner and told him Mrs. Pritchard was coming; she came, and then I left them together; the next morning he was apprehended, in consequence of the information I had given to Rogeres.

Q. Do you know what is become of Mrs. Pritchard? - A. No.

Cross-Examined by Mr. Gurney. Q. What is your name? - A. Ferriday.

Q. Have you always gone by that name? - A. I have had a nick-name, they have called me Baker sometimes.

Q. You never called yourself Baker? - A. No;

my mother's maiden name and my uncle's name was Baker, and I was always called Baker.

Q. In what art of the Country was that name given you? - A. At Dudley.

Q. And perhaps the nick-name travelled with you to London? - A. Yes.

Q. You never called yourself by the name of Banker? - A. Yes; I answer to the one as well as to the other.

Q. Were you ever at Wolverhampton? - A. Hundreds of times.

Q. Were you ever there in an inconvenient situation? - A. Yes; it was seven years back.

Q. What sort of a situation was it? - A. Some years ago I had bought a piece of bacon; it was not bacon, not it was not pork, it had been just in the pickle, and after that I understood it was stolen, and they came and took my own property from me, and swore to it plumply.

Q. But had you the ill luck to get into jail for it? - A. Yes; I was put into the whipping-house.

Q. Was that the only time you ever was in custody? - A. The only time I was ever taken prisoner.

Q. Were you never at Marlborough-street? - A. Never.

Q. Are you sure of that? - A. Yes, I am honestly sure of it.

Q. Never in custody in London? - A. Never.

Q. You were never charged at Marlborough-street for coining? - A. No.

Q. Not having had money in your possession? - A. I offered myself a prisoner at Shadwell office, but it was not bad money.

Q. Have you ever seen a note with the name of Baker? - A. Yes.

EDWARD ROGERS sworn. Examined by Mr. Garrow. I am an officer belonging to Shadwell office; I received information from Ferriday, on the 19th of December in the forenoon, in consequence of which I apprehended him the next morning.

Cross-examined by Mr. Alley. Q. When did you take this man? - A. On the 20th.

Q. You searched him? - A. Yes.

Q. You found some good notes in his possession? - A. I did, and some money.

Q. You found no forged notes upon him? - A. No.

JOHN THOMPSON sworn. Examined by Mr. Garrow. I am clerk to the Magistrates at Lambeth-street office.

Q. Were you there when Francis Wooldridge was in custody? - A. Yes.

Q. Do you remember this prisoner attending upon that occasion? - A. He did.

Q. Look at that card, and tell us whether upon that occasion he left that card as an account of his place of abode? - A. Yes, he did; he left several of them.

Q. You attended like wife when the prisoner was accused upon this charge? - A. Yes.

Q. Was his examination taken down in writing? A. No.

Q. What did he say about his having been or not having been at the shop of Roderiques, the butcher? - A. He said he had been there in company with Pritchard; that he had purchased some beef there, which he had taken to Pritchard's; when he was asked as to the note, he said he had no bad note when he went there, nor did he ever offer a bad note there.

Prisoner's defence. I know nothing at all about any bad notes, and to what I rechard says, it is all false.

For the Prisoner.

JAMES ROUND sworn. Examined by Mr. Gurney. I live at Tipton, five miles from Wolverhampton; I am wood-screw maker and farmer.

Q. Do you know a man of the name of Pritchard? - A. I have seen him once, and I have seen him here to-day.

Q. Is the character of that man such, that you would or would not believe him upon his oath? - A. I would not.

Cross-examined by Mr. Garrow. Q. Are you engaged to give evidence in any other trials? - A. No.

Q. You would be a very useful man, I think; you come, upon your oath, to say of a man that you never saw but once, that you would not believe him upon his oath? - A. Yes.

Q. How long is it since that once that you saw him? - A. Nine or ten years.

Q. If it is not an impertinent curiosity, what may your situation in life be? - A. A Wood-screw marker, at Tipton, near Wolverhampton.

Q. Are you acquainted with Mr. Bennett, of Wolverhampton? - A. No.

Q. Mr. Baker, of Wolverhampton? - A. I know several Bakers; there is one a wood-screw maker; the same as myself.

Q. What Pritchard has been doing for the last ten years, you do not know? - A. No.

Q. When were you first applied to be a witness? - A. Since I have been in town.

Q. As I had not the honour of travelling with you, I don't know when that was? - A. Last Wednesday morning.

Q. Then, for the first time, you were asked what you knew about Pritchard? - A. I was asked since that.

Q. When, for the first time, were you applied to, to know what you could say respecting the character of Pritchard? - A. I think it was Thursday.

Q. You came up upon your own concerns? - A. Yes.

Q. You did not know that the prisoner was in custody? - A. Yes, I did.

Q. But you came up purely upon your own concerns? - A. I was to see the prisoner, and to detain a Counsel on his behalf.

Q. Are you the same man that told me you came to town purely upon your own concerns; name any one transaction of your own that you came to town about? - A. To receive money, and transact business.

Q. Name any one person? - A. Mr. Skidmore, in Holborn.

Q. Was not the business that you came upon to attend to and manage this man's defence? - A. It was a part of my business, I had my own business to do.

Q. Did you ever know Pritchard examined as a witness? - A. Not till to-day.

Q. Have you any reason to suppose he had ever been sworn? - A. No.

Q. And yet you come to tell us you would not believe him upon his oath? - A. Yes; he bore a very good character before he left the country.

Mr. Gurney. Q. Did you ever know a man bear so bad a character? - A. No.

Mr. Garrow. Q. I should like to know the measure of your conscience, what sort of a bad character? - A. Pick-lock keys, and opening doors; he was taken before the Magistrate.

Q. And discharged? - A. Yes, I believe he was.

The prisoner called two witnesses, who gave him a good character. GUILTY , Death , aged 38.

Of uttering, knowing it to be forged.

First Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Baron Thompson.

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