EDMOND LOVELL, Deception > forgery, 14th February 1798.

Reference Number: t17980214-3
Offence: Deception > forgery
Verdict: Not Guilty
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146. EDMOND LOVELL was indicted for feloniously forging and counterfeiting, on the 20th of January , a certain Bank-note, the tenor of which is as follows, that is to say, No. C. 1024. No. C.1024, 1797, Bank, the 21st of November, 1797. I promise to pay to Mr. Ab. Newland, or bearer, on demand, the sum of Two Pounds. London, the 21 of Nov. 1797. For the Governor and Company of the Bank of England, J.Field, 2l. Entered, T. Middleton , with intention to defraud the Governor and Company of the Bank of England .

Second Count. For feloniously disposing of, and putting off the said forged Bank-note, knowing the same to have been forged with the like intention.

Third Count. For feloniously forging a like promissory note, with intention to defraud the Governor and Company of the Bank of England.

Fourth Count. For uttering, as true, a like forged promissory note, with the like intention.

Fifth Count. For altering a Bank-note for the payment of one pound, by removing and taking out the word One before the word Pound, and falsely substituting and inserting the word Two instead of the end word One before the word Pound, with intention to defraud the said Governor and Company of the Bank of England.

Sixth Count. For feloniously disposing of, and putting away, the said altered Bank-note, knowing it to be altered.

And six other Counts, the same as the first six, only laying the intention to be to defraud Mary Lynden .(The indictment was opened by Mr. Giles, and the case by Mr. Fielding.

JAMES LYNDEN sworn. - Examined by Mr. Knowlys. I live at No. 295, Oxford-street , I am sixteen years of age, my mother keeps a haberdasher's shop there: On Saturday the 20th of January, the prisoner came into our shop, about dusk, and asked for patent worsted stockings; I told him we had ribbed stockings if they would suit him; he asked to see them; I shewed them to him; he picked out four pair, I folded them up for him; then he asked for a pocket handkerchief, he chose two, and offered me a two pound note.

Q. What was the whole amount of the things he had looked out? - A.Thirteen shillings; I told him we had not cash in the house, I would go out and get him change; I went to the next door neighbour's, and asked him if he could change it; he said, if I would give him two shillings he would give me two guineas; I gave him two shillings, and he was going to indorse it with my mother's name; he said, if it was a bad one he should look to us for the money, I told him to look sharp after it; the maid was coming up with a candle, he held it to the light, and said it was cemented, he would not change it; I took the note and went over to the watch-house.

Q. Look at that note? - A. This is it; I put my name at full length upon it at the watch-house.

Q. Did you take any constable with you from the watch-house? - A. I took Henry Bates to my mother's; the prisoner was standing at the door when I went past to go to the watch-house; I might have been absent ten minutes, I cannot positively say, Bates, and another man, ran over to my mother's before me, the prisoner was then in the shop mixed with other people, I did not see him at first, and I said, the man is gone; he said, no, here I am, where is the change; I then went behind the counter, and said, your note is a bad one, Sir; Bates, and the other man, said he must go with them, and they took him over to the watch-house, and searched him, I was there, but I did not see the whole of the search; I saw him take out a paper, I don't know what it was.

Q. Are you sure that is the same note you received from the prisoner? - A. Yes.

Cross-examined by Mr. Knapp. Q. Is that note in the same state in which you received it from him? - A. The man began endorsing my mother's name upon it and then scratched it out.

Q. You were gone ten minutes? - A. I cannot say to a minute.

Q. Are you sure it was your next neighbour's that you went to? - A. Yes.

Q. Did you go no where else? - A. Yes; to the shoemaker's.

Q. Did you go there first? - A. No; afterwards.

Q. It might be quarter of an hour for what you know that you were absent? - A. It might.

Q. If you had had change yourself you would have given it him? - A. Yes.

Q. Had you occasion, in your way to the watch-house, to pass by your own house again? - A. Yes.

Q. The prisoner at the bar was standing at the door then? - A. Yes.

Q. How long a time might elapse, from the time you saw him at the door, till you returned from the watch-house? - A.It might be about five minutes.

Q. Do you mean that five minutes to compose a part of the ten minutes, or a quarter of an hour? - A. Yes.

Q. There were several other persons in the shop when you returned? - A. Yes.

Q. I hardly need ask you if he had been so disposed, in the course of that quarter of an hour, he might have gone away? - A. He might so.

Q.Though you suspected he was gone away, he was the person that gave you the information that he was not gone away? - A. Yes.

Q. How came you to go to the shoemaker's after? - A. Because the hatter told me to go there.

Court. Q. Did he say for what purpose you were to go to the shoemaker's? - A. He said, to shew it him, and hear what he said about it.

Q. Not to try to get change for it? - A. No.

Mr. Knapp. Q. You had made no mark upon the note before you got to the watch-house? - A. No.

Q. You don't, now, know the number of the note? - A. No.

Mr. Knowlys. Q. Did you ever lose sight of the note before you took it to the watch-house? - A. No, I did not; Bates took it from me at the watch-house.

Court. Q. Did he take it out of your sight before you wrote your name upon it? - A. Yes.

Q. How long was it out of your sight? - A.While Bates went over with it to my mother's.

HENRY BATES sworn. - Examined by Mr. Giles. I belong to the Mary-le-bonne watch-house: The last witness came to me on the 20th of January last, with a Bank-note, which I kept in my right-hand till I went to his mother's house, and saw the prisoner.

Q. Did you give the same note to James Lynden that you received from him? - A. Yes; I delivered it back to him in the watch-house, I saw him put his name upon it; when I went over I saw the prisoner standing at the shop-door; young Mr. Lynden went behind the counter, I took the prisoner to the watch-house and searched him, I found upon him another note for ten pounds, I marked it.

Q. Look at that note? - A. This is the same, I found it in his left-hand breeches-pocket; I found also half-a guinea in gold, and two shillings and sixpence in silver; I then took him to the Justice's.

Cross-examined by Mr. Barrow. Q. Are you sure, that when you returned, you found him at the shop-door? - A. Yes.

Q. When you went to search him, did he make any resistance to the searching him? - A. No, he did not open his lips; I do not think he said a word.

ISAAC FIELD sworn. - Mr. Knapp. Q. Are you a proprietor of Bank-stock? - A. I am not; I am a clerk in the Bank, my business is to sign Banknotes under five pounds.

Examined by Mr. Fielding. Q. Upon the inspection of this note, are you able say what it originally was? - A. It was a one pound note when I signed it; the One appears now to have been taken out, and a fresh piece of paper inserted with the word Two upon it, in both parts of the note, both the bottom and the centre.

Cross examined by Mr. Praed. Q. From whence do you derive your knowledge of having signed this note? - A.(Refers to a book). I signed four hundred ones on that day, they were from 80l to 1200. (The note read).

GARNETT TERRY sworn. - Examined by Mr. Knowlys. I am an engraver employed by the Bank of England.

Q. Look at that note, (showing him the ten pound note); is that a genuine Bank-note? - A. It was a genuine Bank-note before the alteration.

Q. Where does there appear any alteration to have taken place in it? - A. Where the sum was, it now appears to be a ten.

Q. Are you able to say, that that part which denotes the sum ten, is forged? - A.It is.

Court. Q.Can you say what that note was before it was made a ten? - A.Either a one pound or a two pound note; I have not looked at it very particularly, (looks at it again); I rather think it was a two.

Cross-examined by Mr. Knapp. Q. I believe there is the letter T remaining in the body of the note? - A. Yes, there is; the E and the N are put in.

SAMUEL TOLFREY , Esq. sworn. - Examined by

Mr. Fielding. Q.Is that the examination of the prisoner taken before you? - A. It is the same.

Q. Was he asked by you how he came by these notes? -

Mr. Knapp. I must beg first to ask a question or two, before Mr. Tolfrey answers my learned Friend's question. - Q.At what time was that examination taken? - A. On his first being apprehended, a very short examination was taken, and he was committed for further examination; the examination that is now produced, was taken the second time that he came up.

Q.Recollect, as well as you can, the day of the month when this examination was taken, or the day of the week? - A. He was apprehended on the Saturday evening.

Q. At the first examination, I believe he had his friends attending him, his Counsel and Solicitor? - A. No, he had not.

Q. Do you recollect any Solicitor and Counsel attending him? - A. I believe there were three examinations, and I think it was the third time, that this examination was taken, and then there was a Solicitor and Counsel.

Q. At the former examination, he had not any friends on his part, to give him any advice at all? - A. No.

Q. Do you know if his friends and Counsel had been there that day, and gone away, supposing that no examination would have taken place? - A. His attorney had been there that morning, but I do not know upon what account he went away.

Q. That examination, I believe, took place in a private room? - A. Yes; it was desired by the Solicitor for the Bank that it might be kept private.

Q. At either of these examinations, were you induced at all to hold out any favour to the prisoner at the bar? - A. No; not at all.

Q. Was there any thing held out to him to induce him to tell the story that he afterwards told in the examination, or which could lead him to do so? - A. No.

Q.Not previous to that time, nor at that time? - A.Neither.

Q. Was not the conduct of the prosecutor, which very often happens in circumstances in which the Bank are concerned, favourable to him upon either of those examinations? - A. I really do not understand you.

Q. Was there, from the conduct of the prosecutor and yourself, humanely considering the case, any thing that could lead the prisoner to suppose that favour would be extended to him? - A. I certainly did hope, at first, that it would have been such, as would not have led to his commitment; that was the impression upon the mind of the Solicitor for the Bank.

Q. Do you not think, that from the liberality and humanity of the prosecutor and yourself, he might have collected that? - A. He might at the second examination.

Q. And that in the presence of his Counsel and Attorney? - A. Yes.

Q. And notwithstanding that, there was another examination in private, at which, neither his Counsel nor Solicitor were present? - A. That was in consequence of a search.

Q. In point of fact, the third examination did take place in the absence of those who had before attended to give him advice? - A. Yes.

Q. At which of the examinations was it that you advised the prisoner at the bar to speak the truth? - A. At both the examinations.

Q. Was that conveyed to him in such sort of humane and friendly language as to induce him to speak the truth, if he was so inclined? - A. Yes.

Q. It was with an evident tendency to make him speak the truth? - A.Certainly; he was advised also by his own Counsel, in my presence, to speak the whole truth.

Q. Do you recollect any conversation that fell from Mr. Winter, Solicitor for the Bank, to induce him to give the account that he did give, in reference to the detection of other forgeries? - A. I do not recollect it.

Q. Were other forgeries talked about? - A. No; I recollect, upon the second examination, Mr. Winter desired his Attorney and Counsel to go out and speak to him, and that if any other persons were concerned with him, they would mention it; they retired with him into another room; when they came back, they said, they had advised him to tell the whole truth, but that he had still told the very same story that he told when he was first apprehended.

Mr. Knapp took an objection that the examination was inadmissable, in as much as the account given by him was induced by a hope of mercy held out on the part of the prosecution.

The objection was over ruled by the Court.

Court. Q. By the term humanity, do you mean mercy and forgiveness? - A.Certainly not.

Mr. Justice Rooke. You see he does not desire him to confess, but to tell the truth, which is a very different thing from telling a man it will be better for him to confess.

Mr. Baron Thompson. The Magistrate cannot extort a confession from a prisoner.

The Counsel for the prosecution declined offering the examination in evidence.

- WINTER sworn. - Examined by Mr. Fielding. Q.You, I believe, went to the house where the young man lived? - A. Yes; in Grosvenor-street, Miss Davey's, I there found, in a drawer used by the prisoner, in a place called the

butler's pantry, a book, entitled, the Artists' Assistant in drawing Perspective, Etching, Engraving,&c.; another book, containing a set of German Text Copies upon copper plate, a tea-cup, containing a composition, the ingredients of which I do not know; a bottle that appears to have contained gum-water; in a tea-cup, a small hair brush, and in a case, several other hair brushes, an instrument which appears to have been used for erasing; and after the examination at Marlborough-street office, I found some small bits of paper, upon which I make no comment. (Produces them).

Cross-examined by Mr. Knapp. Q. You found these things in the butler's pantry? - A. Yes.

Q. The prisoner at the bar was not there at the time? - A. No.

Q. You do not know, of your own knowledge, that that was the prisoner's drawer? - A.Certainly not; it was so pointed out to me.

Q. When was the particular time you found this? - A. I rather think the day of the last examination, the Wednesday.

Q. When was the prisoner apprehended? - A. The preceding Saturday.

Q. So that from the Saturday to the Wednesday, any body so disposed, might have put these things into that drawer, or taken them away? - A. Yes.

Q. Do not you know, unfortunately at this time, it has more than once happened that Bank-notes have been picked up in the street, that have afterwards turned out to be forged? - A. There is a man now in custody, whose defence is of that sort.

Q. Do not you know, without adverting to any person in custody, that Bank-notes have been picked up in the street, which have turned out to be forged.

Court. Q. What is that to us, it is only Mr. Winter's opinion at any rate.

Mr. TERRY called again. - Examined by Mr. Knowlys. Q. You have seen this note, look at it again, (the two pound-note), how does that appear to you to have been effected? - A. With ink prepared with water and gum.

Q. Has it been stamped or engraved? - A. No; it has been done either with a pen or a brush, or both.

Q. Have you had an opportunity of trying that composition that was found in this cup? - A. Yes.

Q. Is it in your judgment done by that kind of composition? - A. I have endeavoured to analyse the contents of the cup, it is composed of several things; the imitation on the Bank-note consists of blue, which has been laid on first, and then Indian ink and common writing ink; the contents of the cup are blue Indian ink and writing ink.

Q. In your judgment, upon your oath, has that alteration in the note been effected by the same materials as you found in that cup? - A. By the same kind of materials.

Corss-examined by Mr. Barrow. What are you? - A. An engraver and printer to the Bank.

Q. Has it ever been any part of your duty to study chemistry? - A. It has not been my duty, I have studied it a little.

Q. What sort of blue is this you have been speaking of? - A. There is a cake of Scott's blue.

Mr. Winter. That is a cake of blue that I found in the same place, at the same time.

Q.(To Mr. Terry.) You have already sworn, that this imitation has been effected, first, by laying on a coat of blue, then the Indian-ink, and then the common ink? - A. I cannot say whether the Indian-ink, or the common ink is put on first.

Q. At any rate, you think there must have been a foundation of blue? - A. Yes.

Q. How then came you to say, that the materials, by which this was effected, must have been of the same sort as this which now appears before the Court? - A. I did not say so; when I said the contents of the cup, I spoke of the blue which then laid in the cup, the mixture is only of India-ink, and common ink, the blue is in the cake, there may be a small quantity of blue, I cannot say, I am rather doubtful, whether there is any blue in it or not.

Q. And yet you have analysed it? - A. Yes; you may separate them now with a brush.

Q. Tell us, in general terms, what you mean by analyze? - A. I took a very fine clean hair pencil, upon very white smooth paper, and being able to distinguish the two articles, the writing and the India ink, and having got them separate, I took a little of each on the point of a brush, and made a wash, in that which I supposed was the Indian ink; I found a body, an opaque body, for Indian ink is made principally of a kind of soot, the common ink I found transparent of a light nature, capable of staining which India ink does not do, besides which, I perceived, belonging to each, the common ink has always a blue cast, on account of the logwood with which it is made; the India-ink has a body, being made of lamb-black, and oil of vitriol.

Mr. Barrow. Q. I thought you said it was made of soot? - A. Is not lamb-black soot.

Mr. Barrow. Q. I do not know? - A. I know it is, and nothing else; therefore I concluded the contents of the cup were common writing-ink, and Indian-ink united with a very strong gum.

Q. Among chymists, the usual course is to separate the articles? - A. Yes; if you can separate them.

Q. Indian-ink is a compound of itself? - A. It is a compound of soot, oil of vitriol and strong gum together, with water, common writing-ink is compounded of gall, logwood, and either vitrified cockle, or vitrified oil.

Q. And I believe gum? - A. Yes.

Q. Is there any known process in chymistry, by which you can divide these compounds? - A. I do not understand you; I found them at the side of the cup ready separated, and at the bottom they were blended.

Q. Such was the process you made, that you can say upon your oath, you separated each of them? - A.When Mr. Winter gave me the cup, there was at the bottom, a cake of blue water colour on the sides of the cup; I found what I still believe to be, in streaks, and separate from each other, two articles, the one writing-ink, and Indian-ink, but at the bottom these two articles were blended together.

Mr. Fielding. Q. Have you made any experiment upon any piece of paper? - A. Yes, (produces two papers;) this is the bottom of the cup mixed with common writing-ink, to see whether the colour agrees with what I apprehend it to be.

Q. Do you ever amuse yourself in drawing or painting in water-colours? - A. Yes, sometimes.

Q. Is it any thing extraordinary, that those persons who do employ themselves in drawing, should have camel hair pencils, and compositions of this sort? - A. Yes; when people draw and paint much, they have those sort of things.

Q. Is it not essentially necessary? - A. Yes.

ELIZABETH HOWARD sworn. - Examined by Mr. Giles. I live servant with Miss Davey.

Q. Do you remember any gentleman coming to your house to search for any thing belonging to the prisoner at the bar? - A. Yes, Mr. Winter; he saw all his boxes.

Q. Did those boxes, in fact, belong to the prisoner? - A. Yes; he kept his clothes in them.

Q. Do you remember Mr. Winter finding any thing in a drawer in the butler's pantry? - A. I do not know what he found.

Q. In the drawer that you pointed out to Mr. Winter, in the butler's pantry, did the prisoner keep any of his things? - A. Yes, he did.

Q. Do you recollect, at any time, seeing any Bank-notes in custody of the prisoner? - A.About a month, or six weeks before he was taken up, I saw one Bank-note in the window, and tradesmen's bill with it.

Q. Do you know the amount of that note? - A. No; I did not take any notice.

Q. Did you see but one? - A. I thought there were more, but I took no notice; I told him he let his money lie about.

Cross-examined by Mr. Praed. Q. You have lived in this family a long while, I believe? - A. Five years.

Q. Had the prisoner lived there during all that time? - A. Yes.

Q. What has been his general behaviour and demeanour during that time? - A. He behaved extremely well.

Q. What is his character as to honesty in particular? - A. I always thought him very honest.

Q. He lived in the family before you came into it? - A. Yes, he did; many years.

Q. Was he an idle and dissipated young man, or a sober and careful man? - A. Very sober, and very careful.

Q. Had he many visitors come after him, or had he few or none? - A. He had no visitors.

Q. Was he regular in his hours? - A. Very regular.

Q. I believe, unfortunately for the use that is now made of it, he was a very ingenious man? - A. He was.

Q. He had a talent for drawing? - A. He had.

Q. Have you often seen him drawing? - A. Yes.

Q. When he was so employed was it in the presence of the other servants, or was it in private? - A. In the presence of the other servants.

Q. Had it been his course of employment for a length of time past? - A. It had.

Q. Did you ever know him withdraw himself for the purpose of drawing in private? - A. Never.

Q. Do you know by what means he got the colours, and camel hair pencils, that we have been speaking of? - A. They were some of Miss Davey's.

Q. I believe your mistress sometimes amused herself with drawing? - A. Yes; Miss Fanny Davey .

Q. Did you ever receive from her any of the colours she makes use of in drawing? - A. Yes; Miss Fanny Davey's maid has given me many colours.

Q. Upon what day was it Mr. Winter came to the house to take away these things that were found in the boxes? - A. I think it was either Tuesday or Wednesday.

Q. What day was he apprehended? - A. On the Saturday.

Q.Between the Saturday and the Wednesday, had you seen the prisoner? - A. Yes; I saw him when he was at Marlborough-street.

Q. Was that before Mr. Winter came to take away the things? - A. I believe it was.

Q. He was very much trusted in the family? - A. Yes.

Q. Do you happen to know whether the prisoner, at this time, had, in his possession, a draft for money? - A. Yes, he had, to the amount of ten pounds.

Q. When was that? - A. The day he was taken up.

Q.Whose draft was it? - A.The draft of a Mr. Hunt brother-in-law to Miss Davey.

Q. Do you know the purpose for which he had it? - A. To pay some bills.

Miss FRANCES DAVEY sworn. - Examined by Mr. Fielding. Q. The prisoner, I understand, was a servant of your's? - A. Yes, he has lived in our family from a child; we always found him perfectly honest, he had money of our's to pay bills with.

Q. A short time before the 20th of January, had you given him any Bank-note? - A. I gave him a five pound note the first week in January, to pay a bill of 4l. 14s. he brought me the change on the 10th of January; he brought me, the same day, change for a ten pound note, having paid two bills amounting to 3l. 4s. 3d. the change altogether, cut of both notes, amounted to 7l. 1s. 9d. he brought them to me in small Bank-notes.

Cross-examined by Mr. Knapp. Q. This boy has been in your family from his infancy? - A. Yes.

Q. I believe he lived in Devonshire with your family? - A. Yes, he did.

Q.Sometime since that, you and your sister discontinued to make a part of your brother's family upon his marriage, and came to London? - A. Yes.

Q.Then this lad came to live with you? - A. Yes; I have known him from seven years old.

Q.What age is he now? - A. About twenty-two.

Q. Did you ever happen to possess a servant of whose character you had a higher opinion? - A. Never.

Q. We have heard from your servant, Elizabeth Howard , that you amuse yourself in colouring and drawing? - A. Yes.

Q. Of course, in that amusement, you have had camel's-hair pencils, and colours? - A. Yes.

Q. Have you ever been in the habit of giving those kind of things to your maid? - A. Once I sent some to him by my maid, but I do not recollect that I did more than once.

Q. Did you know that he was amusing himself a little with drawing himself? - A. I was told that he did.

Q. You had given them to your maid? - A.Old things that I have thrown away.

Q. Do you know any thing of a gum-bottle that has been produced to-day? - A. Yes, it was mine.

Q. Has he entitled himself to so much confidence with you that you have entrusted him with money at various times? - A. Yes.

Q. Do you know any thing of his having a draft of Mr. Hunt's, in his possession, shortly before he was taken up? - A. Yes, on the Saturday that he was taken up; it was a draft for ten pounds.

MARY LYNDEN sworn. - Examined by Mr. Knowlys. Q. Do you keep a haberdasher's shop, No. 295, Oxford-street? - A. Yes.

Q. Your son attended that shop? - A. Yes.

Prisoner's defence. My Lord, and Gentlemen of the Jury: On the 17th or 18th of January, in going from Lower Grosvenor-street, my mistress's house, I went through Roxburgh-place, to a shoemake'rs, in Castle-street, Oxford-street, whose name is Perringcamp, I found, apparently to me, upon the ground, a letter, of which I did not know the contents, but I examined it, and found it to be some notes, but did not know what, I went to the place where I was going, then I returned to my own home; in a short time, I examined them and found them to be two Bank-notes, consisting of a ten-pound and a two-pound; from that time, I went to the public-house to see the paper, to see it such notes were advertised; the last time I went into the public-house, was the Saturday morning, the day that I was taken; and what I have said, is a real fact.

For the Prisoner.

Mr. Knapp. I will thank you, Mr. Winter, to produce according to notice, a cover of a letter.(Produces it very dirty), addressed Monsieur De Culler.

JAMES KENNEDY sworn. - Examined by Mr. Knapp. I am an officer of Marlborough-street: I went down, in consequence of directions that I received, to the prisoner, after he was committed to the lock-up place, in Marlborough-street office; he told me, he would be very much obliged to me to go to his mistress's for his great coat, and for a cover that the two Bank-notes were in.

Q. Did he tell you at the time, whether that cover was directed or not? - A. Yes, he did.

Q.Recollect, as well as you can, what was the direction that he told you? - A. It was Dumorier, or some such name, it was a French name, I don't understand French; he told me, it was in a drawer in the closet, in the little back parlour; I went there, and asked the maid for it; I directed her where to find it, she went, and brought it to me.

Q. Look at that cover, and tell me if that was the cover that she brought to you? - A. Yes; there is my mark upon it.

Q. Had it the appearance of dirt upon it that it has now? - A. The same that it has now.

Q. When you had found this agreeable to the prisoner's direction, what did you do with it? - A. I brought it then to the office, and it was delivered to Mr. Winter.

Q. When he told you this at Marlborough-street, was it before he was locked up? - A.Just when he was locked up.

Q. Were you present when any declarations were made by him that you would find this where you did find it? - A. Yes.

CATHERINE HOWARD sworn. - Examined by

Mr. Knapp. Q.Are you servant to Miss Davey? - A. Yes.

Q. Can you tell us whether Miss Fanny Davey was in the habit of giving you camel-hair pencils and brushes? - A.She gave me some to give to Lovell.

Q. Do you remember Kennedy, the officer, coming to your house after the prisoner's apprehension? - A. Yes; I asked him, what he wanted, and I understood by his direction, that it was a leather case; I came back to him again, and he told me, it was a letter case, meaning the cover of a letter.

Q. Did he tell you where to find it? - A. I and my fellow servant went to the prisoner, at Marlborough-street, the night that he was taken up; he asked me, if I had not found the cover of the letter; I told him, no; and he told me to search in the drawer in the parlour, where he slept, and there he believed I should find it; and we returned again with Kennedy, and in the drawer, in the parlour, I found the cover of the letter.

Q. Is that the cover of the letter? - A.It was very much like this.

Q. The same that you found you gave to Kennedy? - A. Yes.

Cross-examined by Mr. Fielding. Q.Look at that cover again, do you think you know any thing of that hand writing? - A. No.

Q. I take it for granted, you have lived upon a very good sooting in the family? - A. Yes.

Q. Did he ever tell you of having found any Bank-notes? - A. No.

Q. Is he acquainted with any of the domestics in Serjeant Davey's family? - A. Yes.

Q. Serjeant Davey has a French cook, I believe? - A. Yes; his name is Rafrow.

Q. He is an acquaintance of his? - A. Yes, of all the servants.

Q. Was Serjeant Davey in town in January last? - A. He was in town last winter, he was not in town in January.

Q. When was the last time you saw Rafrow? - A. I have seen him once since Lovell has been taken up.

Q. Do you remember seeing him at all at your mistress's house, before Lovell was taken up? - A. Yes.

Q.Who did he come to see particularly among the servants? - A. He came to see us all.

Mr. Knapp. Q. This French cook's name is Rafrow, not De Culler, or any such name? - A. No.

Q. He is servant to Serjeant Davey? - A. Yes.

Q. And still living with Serjeant Davey? - A. Yes, down in Devonshire.

ELEANOR CASTLE sworn. - Examined by Mr. Barrow. I keep the Hertford-arms.

Q. How far from Miss Davey's? - A.Right facing the end of Lower Grosvenor-street, where the Miss Daveys live.

Q. Do you remember Lovell coming to your house in the month of January, lately before the 20th? - A. Yes.

Q. Did he use to frequent the house? - A. Nothing further than to order porter.

Q. Did you take in any newspaper at your house? - A. Yes, every other day.

Q. Did he ever enquire for any newspaper to look at it? - A. He never did, only one week.

Q. How long was that before the 20th of January last? - A. I cannot say.

Q. Was it a week before he was taken up? - A. The very day he was taken up, he read the paper at our house.

Q. What part of that day was it? - A.Near two o'clock, in the middle of the day.

Q. Did he ask to take it away with him? - A. Yes, but it was that day's paper, and we never let it out; he sat down and read it.

Q. Did he ever apply to you before that to read the paper? - A. Yes, on Thursday, two days before that, and I had not got it at home.

Q. Before this Thursday, do you ever remember, in your life, his coming to your house to look at the paper? - A.Never.

Q. How long have you known the prisoner? - A. Only since the Miss Daveys came to town, just before Christmas.

Cross-examined by Mr. Fielding. Q.How many of the servants of Miss Davey are you acquainted with? - A. None of them particularly.

Q. Are you acquainted with any of the servants of Serjeant Davey's family? - A. No.

Q. How long had he looked at the paper before he asked to take it home? - A. I told him, we never let out the day's paper, and he sat down half an hour, and read it.

Q. He did not give you any reason why he wanted to read the paper? - A. He never gave me any reason at all.

ELIZABETH INGRAM sworn. - Examined by Mr. Praed. I live in the service of Miss Davey; I saw the prisoner the evening after he was apprehended; Catherine Howard went with me to Marlborough-street, to ask where the cover of the letter was, because we could not find it; he told us, it was in the table-drawer, in the back parlour, where he slept; we looked for it, and found it.

Q. Is this the same? - A. Yes, it is the same.

Q. Do you remember at any time, previous to his being apprehended, an accident with an ink-bottle? - A. Yes, the day the ladies came to town; I bought a bottle of ink, it stood in the window in the kitchen; I got up to shut the window, in the

evening, and threw the bottle down, I took a tea-cup to catch what I could, I caught a tea-cup full of it.

Q. Should you know the cup again? - A. Yes.

Q. Do you think this is the tea-cup? - A. It was just such a cup as that.

Q. On the Saturday that he was apprehended, both you and Catherine Howard saw him? - A. Yes.

Q. How long is it since that accident happened? A.About three months.

Cross-examined by Mr. Fielding. Q. Do you think that is the ink that was caught from that bottle? - A. It was very thick ink, and I very often put a drop of tea or vinegar to it.

Q. Did this young man tell you he had found any Bank-notes? - A. No.

ELIZABETH MINCHIN sworn. - Examined by Mr. Knapp. I am house-maid to Miss Davey: On the Tuesday morning before the prisoner was taken up, he went out between seven and eight o'clock, he came back again before breakfast.

Q. Do you remember his having a letter to put in the post that morning? - A. He told me of it over night; I directed him to the penny-post in Davies-street.

Q. Did it turn out that your direction was right? - A. No; a day or two after, we were talking in the kitchen, and I asked him, if I was right, and he said, no, it was in Brook-street.

Q. How long have you lived in Miss Davey's service? - A.Almost three years.

Cross-examined by Mr. Fielding. Q. Did he tell you when he went out, where he was going to? - A. No.

Q. Did he tell you when he came back, where he had been? - A. No.

Q. Did he ever tell you he had found any Banknotes? - A. No.

Mr. Knapp. Q. Was it usual with him to tell the servants, when he was going out, where he was going to? - A. No.

JOHN PERRINGCAMP sworn. - Examined by Mr. Praed. I am a shoe-maker, No. 44, Castle-street, Oxford-market; I made shoes for the Miss Daveys.

Q. Do you know their servant , Lovell, the prisoner? - A. Yes; I have seen him very often at our house, with orders from his mistress, to fetch work away.

Q. Do you remember his coming to you in January last? - A. Yes, it was past the middle of January, it was in the beginning of that very week that I was called for to marlborough-street.

Q. I believe you were in an ill state of health? - A. Yes; I am still.

Q. You did not rise early? - A. I did not, that morning; there was a knock at the door, he came for some shoes, I think it was about nine o'clock, or a little after.

JOSEPH KENN sworn. - I am gardener to Mr. Hunt, upon Blackheath.

Q. Do you know the prisoner at the bar? - A. Yes.

Q. Do you know of any cochineal of the prisoner's buying? - A. Yes; he bought it in Greenwich, he used it for colouring peppermint-drops, I have seen him use it.

Q. Do you know any thing of any iron tool that he had? - A. Yes.

Q. Look at that? - A. I have seen him use it.

Q. Does it appear very sharp? - A. No.

Q. Is it as sharp as a pen-knife? - A. No.

Q.What use did he make of that? - A.In making a tea-chest, for cutting the corners.

JAMES BRADFORD sworn. - Examined by Mr. Barrow. I am coachman to Mr. Hunt, I know the prisoner perfectly well.

Q. Have you ever seen this tool before? - A. Yes, in the possession of the prisoner.

Q. Mr. Hunt lives at Black-heath? - A. Yes.

Q. Have you seen it in the prisoner's possession there? - A. Yes.

Q. When was it? - A. Somewhere about the beginning of January.

Q. Do you know what use he made of it? - A. To imitate a tea-chest out of a thick piece of deal.

JOSEPH HUNT , ESQ. sworn. - Examined by Mr. Knapp. I have known the prisoner three years, he was in my house for some months.

Q. The Miss Daveys were upon a visit to you, I apprehend? - A.They were; he was their servant, he behaved, while he was in my house, very soberly, and like a perfectly honest man.

Mr. Praed. (To Mr. Tolsrey.) Q. You took this man's examination on Saturday evening? - A. Yes.

Q. Is the account he has now given of these notes, the same that he gave upon that examination? - A. He said, that he had found them in Roxburgh-place, in the same manner that he has now stated upon all his examinations, though he was more circumstantial in his late examinations, he never varied from the story he at first told.


Tried by the first Middlesex Jury before Mr. Baron THOMPSON .

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