CAMEL DELAP STEWARD, MARY PETERS.
9th September 1789
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625. CAMEL DELAP STEWARD and MARY PETERS were indicted for feloniously assaulting James Dowd on the King's highway, on the 9th of August last, putting him in fear, and danger of his life, and feloniously taking from his person, and against his will, a silk handkerchief, value 2 s. a half crown, and sixteen copper halfpence, his property .

The witnesses examined separate.

JAMES DOWD sworn.

I came from work, between eleven and twelve to Mr. Tanner's house, on the 9th of August, and I went out from thence between three and four o'clock in the morning; I took a pot in my hand, in order to get a pot of beer; when I was attacked by this Stewart and Mary Peters in Wingfield-street, Whitechapel .

Did you know them before? - I never saw them before they attacked me, there was two women and Stewart; Mary Peters laid hold of my handkerchief that I had round my neck, and they took from my pocket, half a crown, and 8 d. in halfpence, which was all I had about me; I am sure I had them, when they attacked me; I did not feel any one's hands in my pocket, Mary Peters said she would have my life, and called Stewart, and gave him a knife, and he cut me across my throat; I was in as good health then, as ever I was, but I have been ill ever since, and do not think I ever shall be well any more; after they cut me across the throat, they cut me on the chin, and stabbed me on the side, and on the shoulder, and on the calf of my leg strait down, here is the shirt; (shews a very bloody shirt); I suppose it was during this time I lost my money, I had it when they attacked me, and I had it not afterwards; he was going to make a second cut at me; but the other woman called out murder, and desired him to spare my life; she caught hold of his hand, so I got to this friend's house, as fast as I could; the woman (Peters) was all for killing me; I believe it was about three quarters of an hour when I got away from them, my friend went with me.

Then they had not ran away? - They never stirred out of the same place, we found them there; the watchman came up, and they were too much for him; and the other watchman came up, my friend could not take them, there was such a gang, and they were going to serve him, as they served me, there were two watchmen, and my friend and his wife at the taking of them, it was about one hundred yards from the house that I was attacked, I had not been drinking before, that night; I was quite sober, I was at work till very near twelve before we settled, I remained up with my friend's wife, who was washing, and the pot of beer was for her.

When you first met this man, and the two women, did you speak to the women? - I never spoke a word to any of them.

You had no quarrel with them? - No, I never saw them before.

Did you offer to meddle with either of the women? - No.

When you was attacked did you call out? - I called out, but there was was no watchman came to me; when the three came about me, and threatened me, in the manner they did, I did not know what I had best do.

Did you see any body else in the street at that time, but these three? - Never a soul.

Did they meet you, or did they overtake you? - I was passing by them, they were standing still.

When Mary Peters took you by the handkerchief, did they begin immediately to threaten, or did she ask you to go with her or any thing of that sort? - They began immediately to threaten, there was nothing at all like going with her.

What day of the week was it? - It was Sunday morning about five, when I was carried into the London Hospital.

Was it light or dark at the time? - It was not quite day-light.

Was it a dark or a light morning? - It was a little dark, but growing lighter.

How can you be so positive that these two were two of the people that attacked you, if you never saw them before, you was very much alarmed? - Yes.

Then how can you be so positive that these two prisoners were two of the persons that attacked you? - Because I knew them when I was brought to the rotation-office, from the London Hospital, I knew them, because I was by when they were taken: I shewed them to the men that took them.

How long might that be after they had first attacked you? - It was about a quarter of an hour after I got from them.

Can you be quite sure that these wore the same people, or whether these people might not have come up afterwards, for they were standing in the same place? - This man and woman were standing there, the other woman was gone.

How can you be quite positive that these two were two of the people; did you see their faces? - Oh! yes, I saw their faces and I know them now; they gave me good right to know them again.

Upon your oath can you positively undertake to swear that these two were two of the three people, that attacked you in the manner you described? - Yes, that is him, and that is she; I can swear to them both.

The depositions handed up to the Court.

Prisoner Peters. What time in the morning was it when you was cut? - Between three and four.

What time in the morning was it, when I was taken up? - The watchman can best tell that, the witness who took her.

Why did not you give charge of me when I was first detained, it was another man that gave charge of me? - I gave charge of her and of him also.

Did you mention at the watch-house that I robbed you? - I did not think then about robbing, or any thing else; I was afraid of my life, and I was hurried away to the hospital.

Court. Did you then mention your having been robbed, or being cut and wounded? - It was to the watch-house I was taken, there was nobody but the constable of the night there, he did not ask me any thing, but desired the watchman to hurry me to the hospital as fast as he could; I was asked nothing at that time.

Prisoner Steward. Was not there other soldiers besides myself? - No, I did not see any others in the street besides the prisoner.

Court. When did you first give charge? - On the Monday morning following at the Rotation-office before the two justices.

Prisoner Peters. Was not you walking up and down the street with a woman, named Mary Barnes , a carrotty woman? - No, I was not, never spoke a word to the girl that night, lost my silk handkerchief, which was pulled off, and I had like to have been choked when they were pulling it off.

WILLIAM TANNER sworn.

The prosecutor called at my habitation at eleven, he stood godfather to one of my children, I took my child and myself to bed and left my wife and him by the fire, she was washing; I was asleep when he went out, when he came in, in the morning, my wife came and awaked me, and seeing the

man in the condition he was, I asked him if he could shew me the man, he said he could; it was about a quarter before four I saw him, he had his collar open and his hand to his wind-pipe, it bled very much; I tied a handkerchief to stop the wounds; he had a wound on his shoulder and another on his breast, the shirt will tell that; I went out with him, we went directly into Wingfield-street, it was not as far as out into the yard, where the accident was done; I was particular in whether he would shew me the right man; I met a man in the way, and I asked him was that the man, and he told me not; when I came within a hundred yards of the two prisoners they were standing against the wall with their arms about one another's necks, and he said they were the two people, but if we made haste we should take them; whereas he was not able to run, or hardly to walk, I went up to them, and I got hold of him by the collar; says I, you are the king's prisoner, you must go with me to the watch-house, that is the same man I took hold of by the collar, and that is the woman, he struggled with me very much for ten minutes; and my wife she followed me, she halloo'd out, and the watchmen came up, and he struggled with them, and they were obliged to hit him over the head, and knock him down, before they could take him to the watch house; the woman was by, and she followed him down to the watch house, and then the constable of the night knew her, and we gave charge of both; she went of herself; we gave charge of him, to the constable of the night, and then we gave charge of both; I never had seen the like before, and I was fairly scared, and frightened myself, for I thought I should be slaughtered, and my wife; I saw no arms they had; afterwards I took the patient to the London Infirmary

Prisoner Peters. Pray where do you live, when you are at home? - In little Essex-street, Catherine-wheel-alley.

Where were we taken up? - Opposite the sugar-house, in Wingfield-street.

How many yards was that from your house? we were taken at the bottom of Wingfield-street, which is five or six hundred yards off.

Court. How far may it be? - It may be as far as from the gates, I did not measure it.

What part of Catherine-wheel-alley, do you live in? - Just by the Throwsters-arms, No. 4.

Prisoner Steward. I struggled with him, because he collared me.

Court. Did you search either of the prisoners? - No, nor I never saw the people before that morning.

ALICE TANNER sworn.

I am wife of the last witness; the prosecutor came the Saturday night to spend the evening with us; I was washing and ironing, and doing what I had to do; my husband went to bed, and the prosecutor asked me if I would drink some beer? I said yes, I could; but he could not get any? he said yes, he could, at the night-house; he went out, and returned in about three quarters of an hour; and knocked at the door, all cut; I screamed out, and ran to my husband to the bedside; my husband jumped out of bed; says he, Jem, what is the matter with you? oh! says he, I been robbed and murdered almost, in Wingfield-street; my husband went in search of the prisoners, and found the man, and took hold of him; I called out murder when they began to wrangle; and the soldier dropped a knife out of his hand; that is the prisoner Steward.

Did you see the knife drop? - I saw the knife drop; and there is a woman that is out in the court-yard now, that said before the justice, that she lived with this man she picked up that knife and pushed me on my elbow when I went to pick it up.

Did you know that woman? - I know her by eye sight; I never saw her before; she was not taken up.

You followed your husband and the other man immediately? - Yes; and kept

up with them; when my husband laid hold of them, there was nobody but the two prisoners, and the man that was cut, and my husband; the woman that took up the knife, came up afterwards.

Prisoner Peters. Pray where do you live, Madam, when you are at home? - In little Essex-street, Catherine-wheel-alley.

How far was it? - It is not a quarter of a mile to it; it is almost facing George-yard.

Prisoner. Gentlemen, the sugar-bakers is facing Brick-lane? - It is almost facing the Broad-place.

Pray, Madam, did you see this man give any charge of me? - He said you both was in the fact; and my husband took hold of you; and you pulled him and hauled him and dragged him very much, till the watchman came; the prosecutor came and said, that is the woman that held me, and gave the soldier the knife to cut me; he said so in the watch-house; and so he said when he came to my house.

Did you see me have any knife? - I did not see you have any knife, but I saw the soldier drop a knife.

Jury. Did you see the knife drop from any body's hand? - From the hand of the soldier; I am sure of that.

What became of the knife? - A woman that the soldier did live with, (as she said herself before the justice) she picked it up.

Prisoner Peters. Who gave charge of me? - The prisoner Peters followed us to the watch-house; and when we were there, she was detained, and the prosecutor gave charge of her.

JOSEPH GOLDBURN sworn.

I am a watchman; about a quarter before two, on Sunday morning, on the 9th of August, I saw the prisoner and another man, and two women with them, standing in the road-way, facing the Yorkshire Grey in Whitechapel; I went over to them, hearing them talk, and asked them why they did not go home; I knew the other man by working with Mr. Ellis the carpenter; they said they were going home presently; then I went back to my stand, till the clock struck two, and they all four went up the yard; I went my beat, and saw them four in the yard; and the prosecutor was standing near them, but not in company with them; I never saw him before in my life; he was with a girl by the name of Mary Barnes ; as such I left the four together, and the two together, and went away; nothing happened at that time; after I had been to the watch-house with my brother; and coming home about a quarter after four, I heard a great noise in Old Wingfield-street, as if there was a riot; I said to my brother, though we are off our duty, we must not suffer this; we went up, and the woman said the prisoner had cut a man's throat; I seized hold of the prisoner; my brother came up and struck him on the head, and I said Will, cease beating him, he has surrendered to me; and the man laid to me, watchman, take me under your protection; I will go with you any where; he said he would resign himself up to me; they were struggling with Tanner when I came up; I saw nothing of the fact.

I observed you called the hour of two? - Yes; I never saw anything of the parties from half after two, till that time.

Did you call the hour of three? - Yes, but I did not see anything of them.

Did you go round at three? - Yes, but I saw nothing of them; I am about a quarter, or very near half an hour, going round the beat.

Did you go into Wingfield-street when you called the hour of three? - I was obliged to cross it, and cross the Broad-place; I must cross the place, or near the spot; I did not see any body there then.

You did not know the prosecutor before? - No.

Did you speak to him, when you passed him and Mary Barnes ? - Yes; I desired him to get home, and desired the four the same.

The remainder of this Trial in the next Part, which will be published in a few Days.

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THE WHOLE PROCEEDINGS ON THE KING'S Commission of the Peace, Oyer and Terminer, and Gaol Delivery for the CITY of LONDON; AND ALSO The Gaol Delivery for the County of Middlesex, HELD AT JUSTICE HALL in the OLD BAILEY, On Wednesday, the 9th of SEPTEMBER, 1789, and the following Days;

Being the SEVENTH SESSION in the Mayoralty of The Right Honourable William Gill , LORD MAYOR OF THE CITY OF LONDON.

TAKEN IN SHORT-HAND BY E. HODGSON, PROFESSOR OF SHORT-HAND; And Published by Authority.

NUMBER VII. PART IV.

LONDON:

Printed for E. HODGSON (the Proprietor); And Sold by J. WALMSLAY, No. 35, Chancery Lane; S. BLADON, No. 13, Pater-noster Row; and J. BELL, Royal Exchange.

MDCCLXXXIX.

THE WHOLE PROCEEDINGS UPON THE

KING's Commission of the Peace, Oyer and Terminer, and Gaol Delivery for the CITY of LONDON, &c.

Continuation of the Trial of Camel Delap Steward and Mary Peters .

Was it light or dark? - It was dark at half past two.

Did you take such a view of the prosecutor, as to be sure he was the person? - Yes; I knew him again as soon as ever I saw him; another man was cut, but he would not give any charge against her; and the prosecutor gave no charge against this woman at that time.

Was he fit to be examined there, and to be giving charges? - No, I do not think he was; for the blood ran so plentifully, we were obliged to get him down to the hospital as fast as we could.

You are quite certain you went the round at three? - Yes.

And saw nothing of them? - No.

Court. Was you ever a watchman in the Tower ward? - Never; I never was a watchman, before I was a watchman in Whitechapel, in my life.

Prisoner Peters. Do you never go any half hour in Wingfield-street? - Never.

WILLIAM GOLDBURN sworn.

I was coming with my brother; we went down Wingfield-street; we saw a great piece of work, and we ran down opposite the City of Norwich; I saw a soldier; this man came up to me; he said, watchman, look how my throat is cut; and he held his throat to me; and he said, that is the man that has done it; I saw the man tusseling, as I thought, to get away; I reached my arm over, and hit him over the head, to prevent him from getting from me; my brother then said, do not strike him any more, he has surrendered himself up to me; the prosecutor came up to me, and said, watchman, look how he has cut me; and I saw the cut; and I thought he should not get away; that was the reason I struck him.

Prisoner Peters. We have a man to call in that had his lip cut; his name is Patrick Fitzpatrick ; I was very much in liquor, and I went to bed; it was last Saturday night was five weeks; it was about eight at night; and I got up at half after twelve; coming down George-street, where this man lived, I saw him at his door; he said his wife and him had had two or three words, and he would not go to bed; I said never mind that, we will make that up, and have something to drink together; we came back again to George-yard, which it might be one, or past one; I met a carpenter, and he asked me what I did out

at that time of morning? I told him I got up to get some water or some beer; he asked me to have something to drink; I went to the Saracen's Head with this prisoner, and his wife, and that man; we had half a pint of liquor, and two or three more half pints; and a pot of beer with the company in the house, and this man, and his company that were with him; and coming down George-yard to my own house, there was a man came up to this man, and knocked him down; and I and this man's wife was standing on the other side of the way; I asked what the man was knocked down for? they told me as how he had cut somebody's throat; I said I was positive he had not, for he had been drinking with me all night; and my prosecutor gave no charge of me; and was very cheerful and full of spirits, only he held his hand to his throat; he gave no charge of me; he was pulling me about; he was in company with Mary Barnes from half after twelve, till he was detained in the morning; Mary Barnes was more liable to have this man's money, and likewise her company-keepers to cut him; we had time enough to make our escape, both of us; and I followed him to the watch-house from Wingfield street, to the bottom of Osborne-street; a man said I cut his lip; when he saw me, he would not give charge of me; on the Monday I asked this man who cut his throat? he said he knew who it was; he would not make me any answer; at last, says I, did I cut your throat? says he, yes; then, at the first examination he said this man cut his throat; and I robbed him of some halfpence; at the next examination he said I robbed him of three shillings and nine-pence halfpenny; and a silk handkerchief, valued at three shillings; now he swears I robbed him of a half crown piece, and sixteen halfpence; and a silk handkerchief, valued at two shillings; if I had robbed him, I would have escaped.

PATRICK FITZPATRICK sworn.

Do you know the prisoners? - Yes, both.

Did you see them on the 9th of August, in the morning? - Yes, last Sunday was five weeks, in Wingfield street, between three and four in the morning; I just came up at the time when the skirmish was between this Poll Peters and the shoe-maker; I do not know his name; the prosecutor; and she desired him to keep off; and then he not keeping off, she drew a knife, and she cut him; I saw her cut him with the knife.

You had not been in the street before that night? - Yes I was, about eight o'clock; and at two o'clock; and before that; I do not deny it.

Who was you with? - I do not know who I was with; I went to get a pint of beer.

You was not with Mary Barnes ? - No, I was not; I do not know who they were; there were several in and out.

Did you see any body in the street at two o'clock? - I do not know; I saw several people walking about, but I did not know any of them; I did not see the prisoner at that time in the street.

Where was Steward at that time? - He was standing about a matter of fourteen or fifteen yards off; I told her at the same time; says I, you ought to be taken up, and sent into prison; what is that to you, you vagabond, says she; I will cut you; and she followed me, and cut me across the lip; I got the watchman, and took her into custody.

Then, at that time, there was nobody in the street, but these two persons and the shoe-maker, and you? - Yes; there was another woman; I do not know who she was.

Was Steward with the other woman? - No, he was not; he was standing a good way from either of them.

He never interfered at all? - No, he never did while I was standing there, not at all.

When she was cutting the man, you did not offer to help him; only told her she ought to be sent to prison? - No; says she, you blackguard, what is that to you;

I will cut you; I walked on, and she followed me, and cut me.

Did you know the woman before? - What, Poll Peters; no, I never saw her before, only once or twice; I am quite sure she was the woman that cut me, and cut my lip.

Did you observe where she hit him? - No, my Lord, I did not; I was afraid to rush in when she cut the prosecutor, because she had the knife in her hand; when I gave charge to the watch of her, it was about four minutes after; the watchmen were present then.

Was there any body else there besides the watchman? - Not as I know on.

Did you see any struggling with any body? - Yes, there was when the soldier was taken.

Did you see any body go up to the soldier? - I saw a man taking hold of him; I do not think that was the watchman; it was another man.

Where was the woman when the man took hold of the soldier? - I had hold of her then, she might be two or three yards; or four, or five yards; he was about fifteen yards off at the time when she cut the man.

Do you mean to swear that he was fourteen or fifteen yards from the woman, when she cut the man? - Yes, I do.

Then before the watchman came up, did he come nearer her? - I did not mind him, I ran after her, to take her, after I brought the watchman.

What distance was the soldier from Poll Peters at that time? - I cannot say; when she had cut me, she ran away; I said, I will be an evidence.

Did you say in the watch-house that she was not the woman that cut you? - No Sir, I did not.

Prisoner Peters. What time was it in the morning when you was cut? - Between three and four.

Did you take hold of me directly when you was cut? - No, it was you cut the man and cut me besides.

Prisoner Peters. My Prosecutor says, it was this man cut him.

Fitzpatrick. If I had not made away you would have cut my throat, so you would.

PRISONER STEWARD's DEFENCE.

I was very much in liquor.

Court to William Goldburn . When these people were taken up, were they drunk or sober? - To all appearance they were middling, in a middling situation, the man was more in liquor than the girl, to my appearance; the man was so faint, he could say nothing of the robbery till the next day; he was hurried to the hospital, the man was like a dead man when we took him to the watch-house.

Jury. My Lord, the Jury wish to have the woman called into Court, who picked up the knife.

ELIZABETH TURVEY sworn.

Were you in Wingfield-street on the 9th of August, in the morning? - Yes.

Do you remember the prisoners being taken up? - Yes.

Where do you live? - I live in George-street.

Who do you live with? - I rented a room of Mrs. Isaacs then, in George-street.

What distance from the prisoner Steward? - In the same house.

You lived together? - We did some time.

When the man was taken up, did you see any knife? - No.

Had you been with the prisoner any time before he was taken up? - I was with him in the evening.

How long before he was taken? - I was in company with him, when he was taken up, and all the evening I was with them.

Did you see either of them meddle with any body? - Not at first Sir, but Steward and me were talking together at the bottom of the street, and I heard some man cry out; and I ran up to see what was the matter, and I saw the woman (Peters), cutting a man with a knife; the man and

me were about fifteen yards away from them, when it happened.

Did you see her drop any knife? - I did not.

What distance were you from them when they were taken up? - I was close alongside of him.

Did you interfere or meddle at all? - I did not, I was taken to the watch house with them, but let out again, because I had nothing to do with it.

You and the prisoners had been all in company drinking together? - Yes in the beginning of the evening.

How came you to have parted? - We were going home to bed, she was going the other way.

And the cry brought you back? - I ran up to see what was the matter, and I saw the man bleeding, and she cutting him, and the other man ran up to her, and asked her would she kill the man? and she said she would serve him the same; and he went to go away, and she ran after him, and cut him down the lip.

Do you know the man that was cut? - Yes Sir, I know him when I see him, but I do not know his name, I never heard his name.

Did you see his face so plain as to know him again! - Yes.

Do you see him now? - Yes, this is the same man (looks at the Prosecutor).

Court to Prosecutor. Upon your oath, was you in the street with Mary Barnes at twelve o'clock? - No, upon my word I was not.

Was you any time that night in the street with Mary Barnes ? - No, I do not recollect that I know who the woman is from Adam.

Were you with any woman that you picked up, or that picked you up that night? - I do not recollect that ever I spent half an hour with any woman in the street that night.

But was you out in the street that night from twelve when you went in, before you went out, for the pot of beer? - No, I was not, I did not go out after I went in at twelve, till I went for the pot of beer.

Jury. You are positive of that? - Yes.

Court. Did you ever find your handkerchief again? - No.

To Alice Tanner . Did Dowd leave you after your husband went to bed, before he went for the pot of beer? - No Sir, he did not, I am positive of that before he went for the pot of beer.

The prisoner Steward called four witnesses who all gave him a good character.

CAMEL DELAP STEWARD, MARY PETERS,

GUILTY , Death .

Tried by the second Middlesex Jury before Mr. Justice WILSON.

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THE WHOLE PROCEEDINGS ON THE KING'S Commission of the Peace, Oyer and Terminer, and Gaol Delivery for the CITY of LONDON; AND ALSO The Gaol Delivery for the County of Middlesex, HELD AT JUSTICE HALL in the OLD BAILEY, On Wednesday, the 9th of SEPTEMBER, 1789, and the following Days;

Being the SEVENTH SESSION in the Mayoralty of The Right Honourable William Gill , LORD MAYOR OF THE CITY OF LONDON.

TAKEN IN SHORT-HAND BY E. HODGSON, PROFESSOR OF SHORT-HAND; And Published by Authority.

NUMBER VII. PART IV.

LONDON:

Printed for E. HODGSON (the Proprietor); And Sold by J. WALMSLAY, No. 35, Chancery Lane; S. BLADON, No. 13, Pater-noster Row; and J. BELL, Royal Exchange.

MDCCLXXXIX.

THE WHOLE PROCEEDINGS UPON THE

KING's Commission of the Peace, Oyer and Terminer, and Gaol Delivery for the CITY of LONDON, &c.

Continuation of the Trial of Camel Delap Steward and Mary Peters .


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