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Old Bailey Proceedings, 27th March 1882.


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Held on Monday, March 27th, 1882, and following days,

BEFORE THE RIGHT HON. JOHN WHITTAKER ELLTS, LORD MAYOR of the City of London; The Hon. Sir WATKIN WILLIAMS , Knt., one of the Justices of the High Court of Justice; THOMAS QUESTED FINNIS, Esq., Sir THOMAS GABRIEL , Bart., Sir ANDREW LUSK , Bart., M. P., Sir THOMAS SCAMBLER OWDEN, Knt., and Sir CHARLES WHETHAM, Knt., Aldermen of the said City; Sir THOMAS CHAMBERS , Knt., Q.C., M.P., Recorder of the said City; JAMES FIGGINS , Esq., and JOHN STAPLES , Esq., other of the Aldermen of the said City; Sir WILLIAM THOMAS CHARLEY , Knt., Q.C., D.C. L., Common Serjeant of the said City; and ROBERT MALCOLM KERB, Esq., LL.D., Judge of the Sheriffs' Court: Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer, and General Gaol Delivery, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.

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A star (*) denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars (**) that they have been more than once in custody—a dagger (†) that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.


OLD COURT.—Monday, March 27 th, 1882.

Before Mr. Recorder.

384. GEORGE OSBORN (22) PLEADED GUILTY to stealing a carriage, a gig, and other articles, of Henry George Dunstan ; also a gelding and a set of harness of Albert Orton, having been before convicted.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

385. CHARLES EVELYN SMITH (29) to five indictments for forging and uttering endorsements to orders for the payment of money, also to embezzling 11l. 5s. 2d., and other moneys, of Samuel Boulton Hale and others, his masters.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

386. HENRY SPORNE (53) to embezzling 5l. 14s., 18l. 19s. 6d., and other sums received on account of the Justices of the Peace for the City of London , also to unlawfully falsifying certain books and accounts belonging to his said masters— [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] Judgment respited. And

387. THOMAS JOB CAMP (26) to feloniously marrying Edith Kate Hall, his wife being then living.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

388. JOHN SWANSON (47), JOHN SAMUELS (23), and JAMES FARRER (46) , Unlawfully conspiring to prevent the due course of justice, by inciting to the commission of perjury.



WILLIAM WYLDE . I am a solicitor, and managing clerk to Mr. Burchell, solicitor, of 5, Mark Lane—I had the conduct of the action of Dell v. Swanson—on or about 25th October, 1881,1 wrote a formal letter to Swanson, the defendant, demanding payment, and in reply I received this letter of 29th October—this writ, specially endorsed, was issued, claiming 81l. 19s. 7d.—on 5th November an appearance was issued by the defendant and notice sent—an affidavit was filed by Mr. Dell, praying judgment, under Order 14—I have the affidavit in reply, sworn and filed by Swanson on 15th November—this is the order for judgment made on those affidavits—there was immediate judgment for 32l. 6s. 10d., the balance to be paid into Court within a week, and then leave to defend upon that judgment—this writ was issued to the Sheriff of Surrey on the

15th—the balance was not paid into Court, and I ultimately signed this judgment for the balance, 49l. 12s. 9d. and costs, 10l. 2s. 4d.—no writ was issued in respect of that—I then got this notice from Samuel's solicitor, claiming the horse—there was an interpleader by the Sheriff returnable on 23rd November—this is the interpleader summons, dated 21st November—there was some mistake about the lists, there are two lists, one at 11 and the other at 12 o'clock, called counsels' list—I was not there, and the case went into the 12 o'clock list—the Master made an order for the Sheriff to withdraw—I appealed to the Judge against the Master's order; that came on on the 29th, and this order was made rescinding the Master's order—the matter finally came on before Mr. Justice Watkin Williams on 2nd December—the three defendants were called as witnesses—Swanson was called first, and sworn—I made no note of what he said—I was represented by counsel—I have no note made by anybody of what was said—Swanson said that he had purchased the horse of a man at Romford, and he had sold the horse and van to Farrer on 6th July for 36l.—he denied that he was the tenant of the stables in King's Arms Yard, where the horse and van were kept, or that he had ever been in them in his life, or paid any rent in respect of them—Farrer was next called—he said that he had purchased the horse and van of Swanson for 36l., on 6th July, that he had paid the amount by two cheques at different times—he did not produce the cheques, but he produced his passbook as showing the entries of the payment of those cheques—he said that he sold the horse and van to Samuels on 16th August, for 26l., the reason being that he had two horses and vans, and that he had no work for one of them—Samuels was then called, and he swore that he had purchased the horse and van of Farrer for 26l. 10s., on 16th August, and produced this receipt; he said that he was the tenant of the stables in King's Arms Yard, where the horse was kept, and paid 5s. 6d. a week rent for it, but he denied that he was in the employ of Swanson; that he earned his living by means of the horse and van—they were not examined in each other's presence—the result was that the Judge ordered the Sheriff to withdraw—after that, on the instructions of Mr. Dell, in January I instructed the Sheriff to seize again the same horse and van at the same premises—I had previously made inquiries.

Cross-examined. I made no note—I am speaking from memory—I believe my counsel made notes; he is not here—Swanson did not say that he sold the horse to Farrer for 30l. 2s. 6d.—no cheques were produced—I swear that—I believe I said before the Magistrate "I won't swear Swanson did not say that Farrer paid by three cheques"—I would not swear positively then, but I can now, I have recollected matters since—I believe Farrer said that he sold the horse because he had been obliged to take for a bad debt another horse, van, and harness—I believe Samuels produced a little black book alleged to contain receipts for rent in respect of the stables—this is the book—I saw these three cheques before the Magistrate.

Re-examined. One is dated June 25, 1881, for 10l., one June 28, for 10l., and the other July 11, for 10l. 2s. 6d., payable from Farrer to Swanson.

CHARLES DELL . I am a coffeehouse proprietor, at 49, Upper East Smithfield—I have known Swanson for some time; he has been in the

habit of selling walnuts for me—in September last, at Covent Garden Market, he told me he had bought a horse recently at Stapleton's Repository, in Bishopsgate Street, remarkably cheap, for ten guineas only; it was a kicker, but a wonderfully good horse to work—the same morning I went with him to the stables at Dockhead—on our journey we met Samuels—we all three went to the stables, where we saw the horse, van, and a portion of the walnuts—he told me that was the horse he had bought—he said they were his stables—I instructed my solicitor a little before 25th October to write to him for the amount of a cheque and the value of the walnuts—when the Sheriff of Surrey went to seize on 17th November, I went to the King's Arms Yard—I was outside and saw the horse and van brought out of the yard by the Sheriff; it was the same horse as I had seen before—on 6th January this year I went again to the King's Arms Yard with the Sheriff of Surrey, and saw him. seize the same horse and van—about 9 o'clock that evening I and King, a man from the Great Eastern. Railway, rubbed the hoof and found the number 4202 cut into the hoof—I was present when the three defendants were examined as witnesses before Mr. Justice Watkin Williams, on 22nd December, on an interpleader—Swanson said that the horse and van were not his property then, but they had formerly belonged to him, that he had sold it to Mr. Joseph Farrer for 36l.—he was asked whether the stables were his; whether he rented the stables—he denied ever seeing the stables, or ever being there in his life, or ever Paying any rent in respect of them—he said he sold the horse on 6th July for 36l.—Farrer was next called and stated be bought the horse and van from Mr. Swanson. for 36l., and paid for it by two cheques in two instalments—he did not produce the cheques; he produced his passbook—he said he sold the horse to the defendant Samuels on 16th August for 26l. 10s.—when Samuels was called he said he bought the horse and van from Farrer for 26l. 10s., and produced his receipt for it—it was a dirty piece of paper with a clean stamp—he said he paid for it in two instalments, one in the morning and one in the evening, and the property was his—he was asked by Mr. Willis, the counsel, if he rented the stable, and he said no—he denied working for Mr. Swanson, but he said he sold goods for him each market morning, and that he had no compensation for so doing—I saw this van frequently, and have noticed Mr. Swanson's card, with his name and address on it, on the side—I have seen it at Covent Garden, and also at King's Arms Yard—when I went with Swanson and Samuels I saw these stables for the first time—the van was just unloading my walnuts.

Cross-examined. I did not state before the Magistrate what the prisoners had said before the Judge in Chambers—I was not asked to do so—I did not make any note of what was said—I did not examine Farrer's passbook—I saw the 4202 on the horse's hoof at the Running Horse stables, in the Blackfriars Road, after the seizure—I had seen it before—I could not tell you the date, nor how I came to look at it, but I saw the hoof as the horse stood in Covent Garden Market.

GEORGE BIRD . I live at 41, Spicer Street, Brick Lane, and am foreman at the stables of the Great Eastern Railway Company—Thomas King is also a servant of that company—I went with him and Mr. Dell to the Running Horse stables, Blackfriars, on 6th January, about 7 o'clock, and saw a bay mare there—I recognised it as having been the property

of the company for about two years—when the company's horses are ill they are under my control—I remember this horse being ill from 15th to 29th August last year—it was treated under my direction—on 29th August I sent her away to Devonshire Street stables, and on the 8th of September I saw her at Stapleton's for sale, and she was sold on that day—all the hores of the Great Eastern Company are marked on the hoof according to the date of purchase, in consecutive numbers—I saw tho No. 4202 on the hoof of this horse—it had the same mark at Stapleton's, and on the 6th January, when I saw it at Blackfriars—it was sold because it was a kicking horse—I recognised it irrespective of the number.

Crocsexamined. The horse was washed while I looked at it; without the washing I could not see the number—it was very dirty—I don't know whose possession it was in when I saw it—Dell asked me to go and see it, and washed the hoof himself, and then it was quite visible.

Re-examined. She had a white stripe down her face, and two white hind fetlocks.

JAMES HENRY TARGET . I am clerk to Messrs. Stapleton, horse auctioneers—we sell the Great Eastern horses as a rule—I was present at a sale on 7th or 8th December last year—Mr. Squire was the auctioneer—I took down the lots and names of the purchasers—there was a lot 46, a bay mare, belonging to the Great Eastern Railway, sold to Swanson for 36l.—he was present on that day, and paid the amount to me; at the same time he bought a bay gelding for 5l., and a set of harness for 1l. 5s., and he paid by two cheques, one for 5l. and the other for 11l. 15s.

THOMAS KING . I am employed by the Great Eastern Company, and am horse foreman—I know the bay mare numbered 4202—I went on 6th December with Mr. Dell and Bird to the Running Horse stables, and saw a bay mare there—I recognised her as the bay mare formerly belonging to the Great Eastern Company, and which had been sent to Messrs. Stapleton's, Bishopsgate, for sale on the 8th—she was sold because she was vicious and a kicker—I have not the least doubt of its being the same mare.

Cross-examined. I do not have all the Great Eastern horses under my care; I have the greater part of them—there are about 500—they buy and sell a great many horses—when there is anything vicious with them or they are worn out we sell them.

Re-examined. I knew the mark on her face and the two white hind fetlocks, and the number 4202.

HENRY SEABROOK . I live at Suffolk Cottage, Grosvenor Road, Camberwell—in September last I had the letting of some stables at King's Arms Yard for Mrs. Winterbottom—Swanson came to me about the end of August and hired a stable and a loft at 5s. 6d. per week—I made out a memorandum—I kept a book in which the payments were put down—the two first weeks were paid in advance—he did not pay the rent personally; Samuels brought it to me—between the time of letting it and when I left on 13th December I saw Swanson at the stables.

Cross-examined. The payments were not always made to me, I was, laid up a month of the time—all but four weeks were paid to me, and always by Samuels.

EDWARD Fox. I am employed at the Duke of Wellington, Hoxton—

I was present when a memorandum was signed by Swanson and the last witness in respect of some stables and a loft in the King's Arms Yard—I saw some rent, 11s., paid at the time—Swanson took the agreement with him—I sometimes received the 5s. 6d. a week—I received it from Samuels—he told me he got it from the governor to pay these little bills with—I remember on the last occasion he gave it me I offered him a receipt in the name of Swanson, he objected to take it, I then offered him one with Swanson for Samuels, and he objected to take that, and I then gave him one in the name of Samuels—it was after 2nd December—I saw the horse seized in January.

Cross-examined. I said before the Magistrate the last time that Samuels told me he had received the money from the governor to pay little things—I gave the receipts in the month of October to Samuels on account of Swanson—I saw nothing of Swanson there—I cannot say how many receipts altogether I gave—I will not swear that I ever gave a receipt in the name of Swanson—I am in Mr. Saunders's employ now, I was then in the employ of Mrs. Winterbottom; I was manager there—I left because I wanted more money—I have seen Mr. Dell occasionally—I have never had any money from him—I hope to do so for my expenses.

EDWARD SIMPSON . I am a Sheriff's officer, and on 17th November I had a warrant under which I made a seizure at King's Arms Yard, and took a horse and van—none of the defendants were there then—it was ultimately claimed by Samuels, and returned to him under the order of the Judge—on 6th January, 1882, I again went to the stables, and seized under the same warrant the same horse and van that I had seized on 18th November—Samuels was present on the last occasion—I then took the horse and van to the Running Horse stables, which is used by the Sheriff—there is no question about its being the same horse—I had a few words with Samuels when I seized them—he said we had already seized the horse and had had to give it up once, and we should have to give it up again, or words to that effect.

The Prisoners received good characters.

SWANSON— GUILTY.— Eight Months' Hard labour.

SAMUELS and FARRER— GUILTY. Recommended to mercy by the Jury .— Six Months' Hard Labour each .

NEW COURT.—Monday, March 27th, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

389. ARTHUR WILLIAMS (80) PLEADED GUILTY to four indictments for feloniously forging and uttering Postoffice orders for 4l. 1s. 6d., 4l. 2s. 4d., and other sums, with intent to defraud.— Five Years' Penal Servitude. And

390. WILLIAM EDWARD FARMER BISHOP (20) to forging and uttering a request for the delivery of a savings bank book with intent to defraud.— Eighteen Months' Hard labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

391. EMMA KING (42) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin. MESSRS, CRAUFURD and LLOYD Prosecuted; MR. FRITH Defended.

JEREMIAH WOODS . I keep the Green Man, Berwick Street—on 9th February I served the prisoner with half a quartern of gin; she gave me a bad shilliag—just as she was going out 1 showed it to Mr. Bateman,

a silversmith, who was there, but she went too quickly to see that—I afterwards gave it to the constable—the prisoner went out quickly—I could not follow her, as I had no one else in the bar—I had known her for a long time—she generally paid with shillings, and I have found bad shillings in the till afterwards—I generally clear the till every hour—on 28th February, about a quarter to 2, she came with another woman, asked for half a quartern of gin, and tendered a bad shilling—I went to the door and prevented them going out, and sent for a constable—they abused me, and asked what I was keeping them there for—I gave the prisoner into custody with the coin she passed on the 28th.

Cross-examined. I can't rememher whether she was there on Boxing day, or if I then treated her to a glass of gin—on 9th February she came alone—I put the coin on a shelf, where it laid till she came on the 28th—it was not removed, to my knowledge—only my wife and my niece assist me in the bar, and neither of them were in the bar that day—when I sent for a policeman on the 28th the prisoner could hear, but she still stood there, and asked for some more gin—I gave her a sixpence, a three-penny piece, and a halfpenny change.

By the COURT. I rang the first shilling on the counter, and then tested it with my teeth—they did not go so much into it as they did into the second coin—I think my teeth left a mark on the second—it rang very hollow, with a deadly sound.

GEORGE BATEMAN . I am a silversmith—on 9th February in the after-noon I was in the Green Man, and saw the prisoner there with another woman—Mr. Wood showed me this shilling—I tried it with my teeth, and told him it was bad—it was gritty—I went out and tried to find the prisoner.

JOHN CROWE (Policeman C 208). On 28th February I was called to the Green Man, and took the prisoner—I told her the charge—she said that she knew nothing about it—Mr. Wood gave me two bad shillings—I received a shilling and 6 1/2 d. in coppers from the female searcher.

Cross-examined. She said that she had been selling flowers, and she may have said that she got the shilling in that way.

MARIA POTTER . I am female searcher at Marlborough Street Policecourt—I searched the prisoner on 28th February, and found a shilling, a sixpence, and a halfpenny in her pocket.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . I am Inspector of Coin to Her Majesty's Mint—these coins are both bad—bad coins are gritty owing to the tin in them—they sometimes sound nearly as well as good ones—bad coins do not always sound dull, and even if they were silver, but cast, they would not rise so high as if struck in a die.

Cross-examined. These coins would have sounded very well at first, but not now, as they have been bent—they are better imitations than usual—the test of biting is very fallacious—I do not consider a silversmith a good judge of coins.


392. ANN JONES (64), Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin. MESSRS. CRAUFURD and LLOYD Prosecuted; MR. COLE Defended.

HARRIET EAMES . My husband is a baker, of 402, Caledonian Road—on 5th February, about 2.30 p.m., I served the prisoner with a quarter of a pound of butter, which came to 4 1/2 d.—she gave me a florin; I gave her 1s. 7 1/2 d. change, and kept the florin in my hand—she went to the

door and selected a rabbit, for which she gave me another florin, and I gave her 1d. change—she put the butter and rabbit in her basket—I found the florins were bad, went to the door with them both in my hand, and pointed her out across the road; a tall man was standing by her—she was brought back in three or four minutes, and I said "You have given me two bad florins;" she said" They are not," or "Have I?" and she said "It is a lie, I see you take some money"—I had taken no money, except from her—these are the coins; I marked them.

Cross-examined. Other customers were there, but my sister served them—I had not seen the prisoner before, as we had only opened the business that day—I did not put either of the florins into the till—Hammond, who is in my employ, brought the prisoner back, and then I sent him for a policeman.

CHARLES HODGES (Police Sergeant Y 21). I was fetched, and found the prisoner in the shop—the prosecutrix said "This woman has given me these two bad twoshilling pieces, I give her in charge;" the prisoner said" It is a lie, I saw you receive a twoshilling piece from another woman while I stood here; besides I had received my change and left the shop a quarter of an hour before you had me fetched back, and how can you swear I gave you them?"—Mrs. Eames said "No, you had not left more than two or three minutes at the most, you had only time to get over the road," and denied receiving money from any one else—the prisoner said that her name was Ann Jones, and she lived nowhere—she had a purse in her hand—I examined it; it contained a halfcrown, a florin, and three shillings good money—she was rather fidgety with her right hand going to the station—she had a basket in her left, and I said" Keep your hand up"—she said" Surely I may hold up my dress"—I examined her hand and found nothing in it, but at the station I found this florin in her basket, and a rabbit', onions, butter, and other articles.

Cross-examined. I only saw her in the shop, not in the street—going to the station a man in a semidrunken state came near her—there was a crowd, but I kept her as clear as I could—he was not a tall man; he was about 5 feet 4 or 5 feet 5.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These three florins are bad, and from different moulds.

The prisoner received a good character.

GUILTY .— Three Months' Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.—Tuesday, March 28th, 1882.

Before Mr. Recorder.

393. WILLIAM BAILEY (53) and CHARLES WILLIAM KRIENS (59) , Unlawfully obtaining certain furniture from Alexander Lefevre, with intent to defraud.

MESSRS. SIMS and BARRY Prosecuted; MR. GILL defended Bailey. HENRY LEFEVRE. I am manager to Alexandre Lefevre, furniture dealer, of 331, Old Street—on 18th February Kriens called and asked for a catalogue—he produced this card of the Plate Glass Bevelling and Grinding Works, Clerkenwell, and said that he was one of the company, that they frequently got orders for furniture among their customers, and he wanted to see if we would put him on the best footing, the wholesale

footing, to enable him to supply his customers with furniture—I showed him round the warehouse, and he seemed to be well pleased—I gave him a catalogue, and he then left, saying he would call again—he called next day, and said his customer had selected two black brackets at 25s., which he wanted sent to the Plate Glass Bevelling Company with the invoice—Mr. Garwood, our clerk, was present, and he sent the brackets—Kriens called again about 28th February, and ordered a drawingroom suite and two tables—he told the clerk where they were to be sent; the invoice was to be sent to their works—we sent the goods about two days after—he called again about 25th August and ordered about 21l. worth of goods, a bedroom suite, washstand, and drawers; the invoice was sent to the Plate Glass Company—he told the clerk where to send the goods—on 7th May a man brought this paper, stating that the goods were not required owing to the sudden death of Mrs. Kriens, but the things had then been sent four or five days—I believed the statement that Kriens made, or I should not have sent the goods.

Cross-examined by MR. GILL. I first saw Bailey at Clerkenwell County Court—Kriens was the only person I saw in these transactions—I believed him to be a partner—he presented a card; that did not give me the idea that he was a traveller—I heard Bailey say at the County Court that he had given him a commission to go and get orders—I did not know that he had been employed by Mr. Pocock for twelve months to do mechanical work—I know it now; Mr. Pocock has said so—our place is about a mile from Mr. Pocock's—I did not go there and make inquiries; they received the first lot of goods, and I thought that was sufficient—the other two lots went to addresses that Kriens gave, in the name of Kriens, but I did not know that he was Kriens till we applied for the money about the beginning of July—I sent my clerk; I did not go myself—I had had no previous transactions with Kriens; if he introduced a customer I knew nothing about it—a gentleman named Lamb purchased some goods, and paid for them—I did not arrange to allow Kriens a percentage upon business he introduced—I did not say before the Magistrate that he introduced a gentleman, and that I allowed him 20 per cent.; I said I was not certain—I allowed him very near 20 per cent.; that was from the retail, not the wholesale—he got orders from me for the company; I gave him orders to the amount of about 11l. or 12l., he still representing that he was one of company—I got the goods—Mr. Garford told me that a sum of 7l. was offered in payment, which was due to Kriens for commission, and an offer to pay the rest, but we could not accede to it, because we had sent the goods—after that we commenced an action in the High Court against the company for this money—we applied to sign judgment under Order 14—affidavits in answer were filed, and the case was remitted to the Clerkenwell County Court for trial; the action was tried there, and there was a verdict for the defendant—after that we commenced this prosecution—Mr. Sims was our counsel in the action.

Cross-examined by Kriens. You called a number of times to solicit orders—we received 41l. from a Mr. Lamb—there was a gentleman with him—I never saw you in the matter—you certainly told me you were a partner—my clerk was the first person who saw you; he fetched me out of the warehouse—I never said I would allow you 5 per cent, for cash or 25 per cent, if the order was large. HERBERT GARWOOD, I am clerk to Alexander Lefevre—on 18th

February last year I was present when Kriens called—he saw mo first—he gave me this card, and asked for a catalogue—I said "What have have you to do with it?"—he said "I am one of the firm"—I saw him again on the 19th—he ordered a pair of brackets to be sent to the company's premises with the invoice, and we arranged to have our bevelling from them on terms that were agreed upon—on 28th February he called and ordered a drawingroom suite and two tables—he then gave me the name and address of the customer as "C. W. Kriens, Fairlawn Villa, Lower Merton"—I did not know that his name was Kreins till I went to the company's place—I sent the invoice to the company—on 1st April I sent by post an account of the goods, 7l. 16s. 6d.—towards the end of April Kriens called again, and said that their cus-tomer was removing to a larger house and would require more furniture, and he then ordered furniture amounting to 21l. 4s. 6d.—that was sent to Thornton Heath, and the invoice was posted to the company—about the end of June we sent in a quarterly account to the company of 29l. 1s.—on Saturday, 7th May, a man brought this letter—he simply delivered it, and we gave him an answer—the goods had then been sent off about nine days—on 11th July I called at the office of the company—I saw Bailey—I said I had called for the account of Alexander Lefevre and Co.—he said he wanted to see me, because the account had nothing to do with the company—I said "If this account has nothing to do with you why have you kept our invoices? why have you not returned them to us?"—he replied that we should have to go to Kriens for our money—I asked who Kriens was—he said "He is the man that you delivered the goods to"—up to that time I had not known that the man who had called on us was Kriens—I then told Bailey how he had presented the card, and said that he was one of the company, and how he had ordered the goods—he said "If he has ordered the goods like that he has got them by fraud; there is no company here; Mr. Pocock is the principal, and there is no one else in the firm"—he said he had employed Kriens to go out on commission, and there was 7l. odd due to him, would I accept that—I refused, it not being the full amount of the account—he said he knew that Kriens was going to get some furniture, but he did not suppose he would get so much—I said "If the goods had nothing to do with you why accept the brackets?"—he said" Oh, those were for me"—I saw the three invoices of February, March, and April, all pinned together—he took them from his desk and showed them to me, and said" The other two invoices Kriens has"—I was present at the hearing of the case at the County Court—this copy memorandum was then shown to Bailey while he was in the box, and he acknowledged that he had written the original—he said the stamp in the corner was put on by him.

Cross-examined by MR. GILL. It was two months after I had got the note that I called on Bailey—he then said he wanted to see me about the account, and that he had nothing to do with the company—he said" If Kriens gives us an undertaking we will pay the full amount"—I said "You have admitted the two first amounts, and I think you aro liable for the whole"—then the action was brought—that was not the first time I had heard of the name of Kriens, but it was the first time I identified Kriens as the person ordering the furniture.

The Court being of opinion that there was no case against Bailey, a verdict of acquittal was here taken as to him.

624 ELLIS, Mayor.

GEORGE VERNON . I am carman to Mr. Lefevre—on 19th February I remember delivering two brackets to the Venetian Plate Glass Company's premises at Clerkenwell Green—on 1st March I delivered some furniture nt Fairlawn Villa, Lower Morton, to the name of Kriens—in April I delivered some other goods to the name of Kriens at No. 1, Brompton Villas, Thornton Heath.

SAMUEL POCOCK . I carry on business at Clerkenwell Green as the Venetian Plate Glass Bevelling and Grinding Company; it belongs solely to me—Kriens has always been employed by me as an engineer; he has never been a partner nor had any interest in the business—he has been connected with the concern from the beginning—he was not a customer of mine at Merton or Thornton Heath—I knew nothing of the representations made by Kriens; they were not made by my authority.

Cross-examined by Kriens. I believe you are debited in our books to the amount of 7l.

THOMAS BAILEY . On Saturday afternoon, 30th April, I remember Kriens advancing 6l. or 7l. to Bailey to pay wages.

Kriens in his defence alleged that he had acted bona fide in purchasing the articles and that he had made no false representation.


393. WILLIAM BLUNDELL (25) , Robbery with violence on John Fitch, and stealing a watch and chain and 3l. 5s .

MR. CARTER Prosecuted.

JOHN FITCH . I am a carpenter, and live at 27, Acton Street, Angel Road—on the night of 4th March, just after 12 o'clock, I was within three doors of my own house, when I had something chucked round my neck, and I was strangled by three men, and pulled into a court—the second man held my hands behind me, and the prisoner searched my pockets and robbed me of everything he could take; a watch and chain, a purse containing 3l., and a spade locket—one of them said, "Let go of him," and they gave me two or three hits at the side of my head, and one of them kicked me in the back as I was lying on the ground, and they went off—I followed the prisoner and laid hold of him; he struggled to get away, but a witness came up, and the police.

WILLIAM CURTIS . I am a warehouseman, and live at 30, Bloomfield Street, Dalston—early in the morning of 4th March I was in Leigh Street, a turning out of Acton Street, and saw the prisoner running and the prosecutor after him—I stopped the prisoner and held him till the police came up—he took a watch out of his pocket, and said to the prosecutor, "Here is your watch and chain," and he took this purse out of his pocket and said, "Here is your purse; there is nothing in it"—the prosecutor claimed the watch and chain.

"WILLIAM BARNACOTT (Policeman N 63). I heard a cry of "Stop thief!" and ran up and found the prisoner held by Curtis—he said, "I will give you the watch and chain if you will let me go"—he handed it to the prosecutor—he then took out the purse and said, "I will give you the purse also; I don't know what is in it"—I found on him 13s. 6d. in silver and 6 1/2 d. in bronze, a bronze medal, a splitring, a key, and a pocketknife—the purse contained 1l. 10s. in gold—the prosecutor was the worse for drink.

GEORGE TAYLOR (Policeman 280). I saw the prisoner hand the watch to the prosecutor.

JOHN FITCH (Re-examined). This is my watch, chain, and purse; it contains a sovereign and a half—I had two sovereigns, two halfsovereigns, and some silver.

Prisoner's Defence. I have a witness to prove that no violence was used; that the prosecutor was drunk, and had been fighting with another man. He stood quite still, and let us put our hands in his pocket.

ROLAND GENT . I am a tinsmith in Kingsland Road—I have known the prisoner five or six years—I know nothing about the robbery—I saw the prosecutor about 8 that evening in a publichouse, and I hit him on the nose four times, and I have got another for him if he wants it—his nose bled, and he soaked it up with a lightcoloured handkerchief.

Cross-examined. The prisoner was in the public-house when I was fighting with the prosecutor—I did not knew the prosecutor before.

GEORGE BREWER . I only know the prisoner and prosecutor by sight—on 3rd March I was in the Britannia public-house, Kingsland Road, and saw the prosecutor and Gent having some words—the prosecutor said, "I have a good mind to punch your head," and he went up to Gent, and Gent struck him three times and made his nose bleed—it was about 8 o'clock in the evening when he came in, and I left him there when I came away at halfpast 10.

GUILTY .— Six Months' Hard Labour.

394. THOMAS JONES (20) , Stealing a watch of Edwin John Burgess from his person.

MR. GEOGHEGAN Prosecuted.

ROBERT LEAMAN (City Detective). On the afternoon of 10th March I was in Finch Lane; I noticed the prisoner there, and a number of gentlemen, among whom was Mr. Burgess, standing round a shop window—after watching the prisoner for 20 minutes, and seeing him attempt to rob other people, I saw him come to the lefthand side of Mr. Burgess and put his left hand under his arm and take the watch out of his pocket and snap off the bow, and slip it down his sleeve—I took hold of him, and Mr. Burgess did also, and the prisoner slipped the watch into Mr. Burgess's hand, and Mr. Burgess handed it to me.

EDWIN JOHN BURGESS . I am an auctioneer, of 5, Draper's Gardens—I was in Finch Lane on the afternoon of 10th March, and saw the prisoner there; I saw him walk up, cross his arms, put his left hand into my pocket, take my watch out, break the bow on, and then walk away—I took hold of him and asked for the watch—he said," What watch?"—I said, "My watch"—he then dropped it into my hand—Leaman came up and took him into custody—the value of my watch is about 10 guineas.

The Prisoner. I was very hard up at the time, and I saw this gentleman with his watch three parts out of his pocket; it was a great temptation, and I took it.


He also PLEADED GUILTY to a former conviction of felony at this Court, and it was proved that he was now out on ticket-of-leave.— Six Months' Hard Labour, in addition to the remainder of his former sentence.

395. JULIA REGAN (16) and MARY ANN MAHONY (16) , Robbery with violence on Edith Hallion and stealing a silver earring.

MR. GEOGHEGAN Prosecuted.

EDITH HALLION . I live at 7, Russell Court—in the early morning of 8th March I was going down the Strand—the two prisoners were standing by the corner of Cecil Street—they passed some remark and pushed me on one side—I was suffering from a sprained ankle, and I fell—I was wearing silver earrings; one of the prisoners took an earring out of one ear, and one out of the other—I screamed and of a constable came up and took them and came back with my earrings.

Cross-examined by Mahony. I did not stop and ask you to take a policeman's number who had struck me, and say I would give you one of my earrings—no policeman struck me.

ANDREW BATES (Policeman E 189). At 1 o'clock on the morning of 8th March I was on duty in Cecil Street and heard the last witness shouting out and went to where she was—I found she was excited—she said the prisoners had violently assaulted her—before I got up to her I saw the prisoners pushing her against the shutters, and as I went up the prisoners walked down the Strand—the prosecutrix made a statement to me and I walked after the prisoners—I found the earrings in Mahony's ear; she was wearing them—she said "That woman gave them to me"—the prosecutrix was sober.

Cross-examined by Mahony. You were not looking at them under a lamp when I came up, they were in your ears.


396. WILLIAM FIELDING (18) , Feloniously breaking and entering the warehouse of James Hollick Davis, and stealing a bottle of wine and 5s. in money.

MR. STEWART "WHITE Prosecuted. GEORGE JARMAN (City Policeman 205). I was on duty on Sunday morning, 26th February, in Coleman Street, and about 4 o'clock my attention was attracted by hearing the side door of the White Swan public-house, White Swan Alley, open—I went to the spot and saw the prisoner and another man there—when they saw me they ran away—I followed them into Moorgate Street—I pursued the prisoner; the other man went in the direction of London Wall—I sprang my rattle, and subsequently the prisoner was captured by another constable—I did not lose sight of him—we took him to the station—I examined the premises afterwards with Sergeant Allen—the side door was open; part of the till was on the counter empty, the other part on the floor, the drawers turned out, and the place upside down—in the back parlour there was another till with 1s. 1 1/4 d. in it on the table, and part of a pie—on the first floor there was part of a till on the floor—the skylight over the stairs was broken open, and a ladder let down from the skylight.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I am sure I saw you come out of the doorway.

ROBERT LINGWOOD (City Policeman 593). On morning of 26th February I was on duty in Lothbury—I heard a rattle spring in Moorgate Street—I saw the prisoner come out of Moorgate Street and run towards Princes Street—he was running all the time—I ran up Bartholomew Lane into Threadneedle Street, that is shorter than Princes Street; I saw the prisoner come out of there and run in front of the Royal Exchange—I followed him as far as Finch Lane, where I took him—I said "Come along, you are wanted for something"—Jarman came up. WILLIAM ALLEN (City Police Sergeant 76). I was at the Moor Lane

Policestation when the prisoner was brought there—he did not say anything in answer to the charge—I afterwards went with Jarman to the White Swan and examined the premises—we found one of the side doors open—it was fastened on the inner side by bolts—we examined the bar and the bar parlour; they were in disorder—then we went to the first floor and examined the skylight—there was a staircase leading to the roof and dirty marks on the tread of the staircase—they could have got up to it from the next house, which is an unfinished building—there were marks on the walls—it was raining at the time.

MARY JANE DAVIS . I am the wife of James Hollick Davis, a licensed victualler, of the White Swan—from information I received on Sunday morning, 26th February, I went to my premises—nobody sleeps there—I was the last to leave it on Saturday night; every part was properly bolted and locked, including the skylight; it was thoroughly secured—when I went with the police on Sunday morning I found one of the side doors open—I lost between 5s. and 6s. in coppers, part of a bottle of wine, and part of a pie and part of a cheese were eaten.

Prisoner's Defence. I know nothing about it. I was coming down Moorgate Street and heard a rattle spring, and I went across to the fireescape and a constable came up and caught hold of me.


NEW COURT.—Tuesday, March 28th, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

397. CHARLES LAWRENCE (26) PLEADED GUILTY to forging and uttering a cheque for 20l., with intent to defraud.— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

398. AMBROSE BEYAN COPSEY (26) to feloniously marrying Christina Paul during his wife's life.— Eight Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

399. MARY BROWN (31) to unlawfully endeavouring to conceal the birth of her child.— Two Months' without Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

400. WILLIAM FARREN (14) to uttering a forged cheque for 1l. 8s., with intent to defraud. He received a good character.— To enter into recognisances. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

401. RICHARD HENRY PARISH (19) to forging and uttering a request for the payment of money with intent to defraud.— Three Month' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] And

402. GEORGE FENNING** (31) to breaking and entering the shop of Samuel East, and stealing two bottles of champagne, after a conviction of felony at Clerkenwell.— Two Years' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

403. JOHN SULLIVAN (25) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin. MESSRS. CRAUFURD and LLOYD Prosecuted.

ROBERT WINSTONE . In October last I was manager of the Globe Tavern, and on 22nd October, about 8.20, I was in the bar and saw my wife serving the prisoner, who put down a coin which my wife took up and handed to me—it was bad, and I said "Where did you get this?"—he said "In Covent Garden"—I said "It is bad"—he said "I did not know it"—a constable searched him and found a shilling and a sixpence—I asked him why he did not tender the good money—he said that he was not aware it was bad—I gave evidence against him at the policecourt; he was remanded to 29th October and then discharged—this is the coin.

KATE MARY WINSTONE . I assist my husband—on 22nd October I served the prisoner with some beer and tobacco, which came to 2 1/2 d.—he gave me a halfcrown, I showed it to my husband, who gave him in custody.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. It was not a florin you gave me.

FREDERICK MANN (Policeman DR 16). I took the prisoner on 22nd October, and found 1s. 6d. in good money on him—this is the halfcrown—I marked it at the station.

FLORENCE SHORT . I am barmaid at the Enterprise, Endell Street, Long Acre—on 14th February, about 5.15, I served the prisoner with half a pint of ale—he gave me a bad florin—I gave it to Mrs. Whitbread—a policeman came and I gave it to him—this is it.

ROBERT MCKAY (Policeman E 316). On 14th February I was called and Mr. Whitbread charged the prisoner with uttering a bad florin—he said nothing—I found on him 2 1/2 d. at the station. WILLIAM WEBSTER. This halfcrown and florin are bad.

Prisoner's Defence. I did not know it was bad. I worked hard enough to earn it. A man asked me to give him change for a twoshilling piece and I did so.

GUILTY of uttering the halfcrown .— Six Months' Hard Labour.

404. EMMA TOWNSEND (41) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. CRAUFURD and LLOYD Prosecuted. CHARLOTTE SKEFFINGTON. I am the wife of John Skeffington, a butcher, of 40, Poland Street—about five weeks before 18th March the prisoner bought some meat which came to 1s. 10d., and gave me a florin; I tried it with my teeth, it cracked and dust came out of it—I said "This is bad money"—she said" If you will let me take it back to my mistress I will come back"—she left the meat—on 18th March I saw the prisoner at Marlborough Street Station, and am sure she is the person.

WALTER SMITH . I am butcher's boy at Mr. Skeflington's—I saw the prisoner there four or five weeks before 18th March—I saw the coin pass, and heard my mistress say "This is a bad twoshilling piece; "the prisoner said" Give it back to me, and I will take it to my master"—she left the meat, went away with the coin, and did not return—I was at Regent Circus on 18th March, and saw the prisoner speaking to an omnibus conductor, and I said to him "That is the same woman who came into our shop four or five weeks ago with a bad twoshilling piece," and she was given in charge, and a policeman brought my mistress to the station the same evening.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I am certain you are the woman. ROBERT DOBSON. I am an omnibus conductor—on 18th March, about 9 o'clock, the prisoner got into my omnibus at Tottenham Court Road—her fare was 2d.—she gave me a florin; I gave her three sixpences and 4d. and then bent the coin in two with my teeth, and asked her what she meant by it, and told her it was bad; she put the change into my hand, and said that she was innocent, and that a gentleman who she had been working for, gave it to her—the boy came up and said that she had been in their shop and tried to change one—I gave her in charge with the coin—she said that she had to meet a gentleman at Regent Circus. WALTER CAMPION (Policeman C 112). On 18th March I was on duty

at Regent Circus—Dobson called me, and said that the prisoner had tendered a bad florin; a butcher boy came by, recognised, her, and said that she had tendered bad coin in his mistress's shop some weeks before—she said nothing in answer, but said that a gentleman gave her the florin to meet him at Regent Circus—she had in her purse a good halfcrown and 2 1/2 d.—Mrs. Skeffington came to the station the sameevening and recognised the prisoner at once.

MARIA POTTER . I am female searcher at Marlborough Street Station—on 18th March I searched the prisoner, and found 2 1/2 d. in her dress.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This florin is bad—a coin which has dust come out of it when cracked, is bad.

Prisoner's Defence. I was not aware it was bad.

GUILTY .— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

405. JAMES DALEY (20) , Feloniously assaulting Jane Harriet Thaxton, and stealing a sugar basin and a glass shade, in the dwellinghouse of James H. Thaxton.

MR. HEWICK Prosecuted.

JANE THAXTON . I am the wife of John Thaxton, of 55, Galway Street, St. Luke's—on 11th March, about 8 a.m., I heard a noise, went up from the kitchen, and saw the prisoner by the parlour door, and another man in the parlour—the prisoner caught me by my throat, pushed me down, and knelt on me; he let go of me when the other man went out—I saw the prisoner about three minutes, had a good look at his face, and am quite sure he is the man—I missed a cream jug, an electro-plate sugarbasin, a wooden stand, and a glass globe, which I saw safe an hour before—the street door was wide open; it had been shut—about a week afterwards I picked the prisoner out from six or seven others.

FRANK BRIERS (Police Sergeant D). On 17th March, about 12.15 a.m., I took the prisoner at a publichouse in the City Road—I told him the charge; he made no reply, but at the station he said "I can get out of it as easy as kiss my hand"—the prosecutrix saw him with a number of others; she said at first that a man was very much like the man, but afterwards she touched the prisoner—I got men as much resembling the prisoner as I could.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "On the Saturday I was arrested, I had a light Scotch tweed and waistcoat. I was at the Pavilion Theatre."

The Prisoner's Defence. I was at the Pavilion Theatre, and was dressed altogether differently. I had not these dark clothes then. I bought them afterwards, on the 17th. I know no more of the robbery than you do.


He then PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction in October, 1880, at Clerkenwell in the name of James Williams.— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

406. JOHN THOMPSON (40) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of David Stonehouse, and stealing two coats and other articles and 10s. 6d. in money. Second Count, receiving the same.

MR. POYNTER Prosecuted.

FREDERICK WESTERMAN (Policeman K 338). On Sunday, 5th March, about 2 a.m., I saw the prisoner and another man standing in the door

way of a shop in King Street, Poplar—they then went to a urinal, and from there I followed them to the West India Road, and said "What are you doing about here?" the prisoner said "I am a perfect stranger here, I want to go to Millwall"—this was a mile from Millwall—I directed him, but instead of going that way he went round to King Street again—I noticed that his pockets were rather bulky, and asked him what he had got; he said "My own property"—I asked in what part of Millwall he lived; he said "10, Stevendale Eoad for six weeks," but that he had lived in Poplar 20 years—I searched him at the station, and found a quantity of cigars and tobacco, a knife, a box of silent matches, and this duplicate of a coat pledged at 299, Hackney Eoad for 6s. in the name of William Joneshe was wearing this coat (produced), which Mr. Stenhouse identified.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. The white coat you have on was under it—you tried to get away—I found on you 53 cigars and 12 packets of tobacco.

DAVID STENHOUSE . I keep the Oriental Tavern, Poplar—on Saturday, 4th March, I went to bed at 2 o'clock, leaving the house bolted and barred—at 6.5 I found the kitchen window open, and the bolt punched out and left on the kitchen table—I missed a brown coat from the kitchen, another from the parlour, 300 cigars, which I identify by the quality and shape, 1 1/2 lb. of tobacco in screws, which I identify by the wrappers, also 15s. 6d. from a pedestal, a strap, and 12 jam rolls—I went to the station and identified one of the coats; the prisoner was wearing it—I have seen the other coat produced by a pawnbroker.

FREDERICK BOLTON . I am assistant to Joseph Harris, a pawnbroker, of 299, Hackney Road—I produce a coat which was pawned on Saturday morning, 4th March, in the name of "William Jones, I believe by the prisoner.

The prisoner in his statement before the Magistrate, and also in his defence, said that he pawned the coat for the other man, and afterwards bought the ticket of him, and the bought all that was found on him.

GUILTY * of receiving.—Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

FOURTH COURT.—Tuesday, March 28, 1882.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

407. THOMAS SMITH (19) PLEADED GUILTY to unlawfully having in his possession various implements of housebreaking.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

408. ALFRED BOWER BLENKARN (56) , Unlawfully obtaining goods by false pretences. Other Counts for various misdemeanours under the Debtors Act.


and FILLAN Defended

HENRY ALFRED STAGEY . I am Superintendent of Records in the London Bankruptcy Court—I produce the file of proceedings in bankruptcy—Mr. Guppy's petition was filed on 11th July against Alfred Bowers, of 8, Old Broad Street, merchant—that was dismissed by consent—the petition of Spalding and Hodge was filed on 1st November, 1881—the date of adjudication is 15th November—the trustee, Mr. Switch, was

appointed on 16th December—the first meeting of creditors was on 1st May.

JOHN WILLIAM SWITCH . I am employed by Messrs. Spalding and Hodge, wholesale paper merchants, 34, Cannon Street, City—I was appointed the prisoner's trustee on 16th December, 1881—I received this order of 19th March, 1881. (For samples of paper to be sent to Bower and Co., of 34, Union Court, Old Broad Street.) The prisoner had previously called at our offices in Gannon Street, and wanted to open an account for paper—I quoted our terms, and afterwards wrota him a note—I went to his offices with a Mr. Bargees to settle a dispute between them—I sent the prisoner the samples and received this order of 23rd March—I supplied him with the paper stated in it, and sent this letter of same date. (Stating that 181/4 reams were sent, over the order, and "If you object we will take back the excess quantity. ") I never got the 181/4 reams back—I supplied him with goods from time to time up to 20th May, 1881—he then accepted this bill, dated 20th May at three months, for 183l. 7s. 7d. (Presented 23rd August, 1381, and referred to acceptor.) That has never been paid—I supplied him with further goods, and on 21st June he accepted this bill at three months for 148l. 1s. 3d., due September 3, 1881—that was also dishonoured—at the beginning of July, 1881, he came and said he had a pressing order for some more paper, and asked if I had any more of the same kind as he had had before—I said "Yes, but I should like the bills that are running to be paid first"—I asked for a reference—he referred me to his bankers, the Capital and Counties—I afterwards put the matter in the hands of my principals at Drury Lane—the prisoner told me he was fully prepared to meet the bill that was just coming due—I let him have the goods—at that time I had 362 reams of paper lying at Farringdon Street Station to my order—I sold them to him for 126l. 12s. 2d.—I was induced to let him have them by his representation that he had pressing orders waiting, and was fully prepared to meet the bill that was becoming due—I did not then know of his dealings with Mr. Guppy—the goods at Farringdon Street were transferred by my order to Bower and Co. on 8th July in accordance with their letter of that date (produced)—this is the bill—the bills were dishonoured on 23rd August and 23rd September—at that time I had delivered goods to the prisoner to the amount of 480l.—two payments of 50l. each Were made in Drury Lane, and the last supply of goods to the prisoner was on July 18th—on 1st November I presented a petition on behalf of my principals against him-he was adjudicated a bankrupt on 15th November, and on 16th December I was appointed his trustee—I attended at his offices on 18th December—I found he had left, and another name was on the office door—I made inquiries; I was not able to find out anything about him—I found no property there and no books—I was not able to ascertain his address—I have not been able Up to the present moment to obtain any information from him—this is my letter of 3rd January to the prisoner, addressed to 8, Union Court, Old Broad Street—it was returned to me through the Dead Letter Office—a public examination was held on 18th January, which I advertised—he did not attend—in February I obtained a writ for his apprehension—on 2nd February I went with Detective Sergeant Outram to 36, Darvill Road, Stoke Newington—I had been trying to find his address three weeks or a month previous—we

met the prisoner in the street, and all three went to his house—I asked him for his books and papers—he said they were in the City, and that there was not a book or paper in connection with his business in the house—I asked if he would give them up—he said he would consult his solicitor first.

Cross-examined by MR. GRAIN. The prisoner has bought goods of me for cash—he paid me 27l. 0s. 3d. on August 12—this is the receipt—that was a separate transaction—our head office is at Drury Lane—the first 50l. might be a payment off the first bill, and the second 50l. off the second bill—I am not aware of any offer to settle for another 50l.—the whole of the money transactions are carried on in Drury Lane—I am a salesman in Cannon Street, and manage the City office—I have heard that the prisoner offered 50l. for settlement, but not 25l.—Mr. Furber is Messrs. Spalding and Hodge's solicitor—I was not consulted on the offer—I knew nothing about Mr. Furber's communications with the firm—my friend Mr. Burgess introduced me to the defendant, and said he had done business with him—he did not use the words "fairly well," and I do not believe he ever paid him 400l.—Mr. Burgess banked at the same bank—I sent Bower and Co.'s letter about the prisoner's references, to the head office, and after that was instructed to execute the order—he was walking with the aid of a stick when I went with Outram to arrest him; he had a bad leg—I did not hear him say he was going to the doctor—I do not know that the landlord distrained; the rent is still unpaid—I served him with a notice of the public examination; that was returned through the post.

Re-examined. I know Thomas Eagles—he calls himself a paper agent—he deals in all sorts of paper—I have no books to refer to the dates when the 50l. was paid—I did not know that the paper had gone to Guppy's and they were pressing him—I discovered that after being appointed.

JOHN GUPPY . I am manager for Mr. Wm. Guppy, paper agent and merchant—I have dealt with the prisoner as Bower and Co.—I understood his name was Anthony Bower—his first order was at the end of 1880—it was dated January 18th, 1881—his indebtedness was 246l. 17s.—our terms of credit were 5 per cent.—we did not get paid—we made many applications—in May we commenced proceedings through Mr. Austin—we commenced bankruptcy proceedings on 11th July—his debt was then 122l. 5s. Ad.—we had had some goods back, and 59l. in cash, and afterwards further goods—the balance was finally paid by goods—my father negotiated through Mr. Austin—the goods we received were 205 reams of paper by the Great Northern line—I signed this memorandum dated 21st July—I received some more paper of the same quality and price on 11th August value 47l. 7s.—that finally settled the account.

Cross-examined by MR. GRAIN. The account was reduced to below a certain amount, and then the bankruptcy proceedings were stopped—only the maker's name was on the paper.

EDWARD FRENCH BUTTON AUSTIN . I am a solicitor, of 38, Throgmorton Street—early in 1881 I was solicitor to Mr. Guppy—I was instructed to make a claim against the prisoner—I never knew him by any other name than Bower—I commenced bankruptcy proceedings—I wrote this letter of 17th June to the prisoner. (This stated Mr. Gruppy has no objection to take paper if value should be given in the present state of the market ")

—I had previously had an interview with the prisoner, pressing him for payment, and he suggested giving us some paper—I had issued one summons against him; he settled that—I issued another, and upon that there was a bankruptcy petition—on 20th June I got a letter from him, and on 21st June I wrote this reply. (Asking where the paper should be sent)—this is the order for its delivery—I received these letters produced. (Referring to various deliveries of paper)—205 reams were delivered—the rest of the correspondence was with his solicitor.

Cross-examined by MR. GRAIN. I got the debt and my costs too—he told us he had the paper in stock—I never said to him "You will be quite safe"—he said that he could pay, and he did pay 50l. in cash—I never said "As far as I am concerned I do not care a farthing where he gets it from, on credit or otherwise," nothing of the kind—he never said he didn't think it a right thing to do—I didn't think he was getting in paper—I never told him he would be quite safe; the question never arose.

LEVI PUDDEPHAT . I am chief clerk in the correspondence department of Farringdon Street Kail waystation of the Great Northern Railway—I produce a book from the station—we had 357 reams of paper lying there to the order of Messrs. Spalding and Hodge—205 reams were transferred to the order of Messrs. Bower and Co. on 9th July, and Mr. Bower transferred 157 reams to Mr. Thomas Eagles—Eagles accepted and signed for them—135 of 357 reams were retransferred by Mr. Eagles on August 11th to Bower and Co., and delivered the same day to Mr. Guppy, of 9, Wilson Street, Finsbury—the advice note was made out and delivered on July 11th to Bower and Co., and on July 21st to Guppy—we cannot find it—this note is endorsed" Deliver to the order of Thomas Eagles contents hereof; Bower and Co., 16th July, 1881," and "T. Eagles, 88, Upper Thames Street"—the other one was endorsed in the same way—205 reams were delivered to Mr. William Guppy on 21st July, and 157 transferred to Mr. Eagles's order.

WILLIAM MARTIN . I am a millboard manufacturer, of Beechfield Mills, Berwickupon Tweed—in June 1881 I commenced dealings with Bower and Co. by correspondence—on 17th June I received this order. (For goods amounting to 100l., and referring to Spalding and Hodge)—I sent the first lot on 13th September with the invoice to Bower and Co., of Hermitage Wharf, Wapping—the terms were a monthly account—on 20th September upon the same order, I supplied 31 bundles value 15l. 16s. 5d. and the invoice at a month's credit—on 26th October I received an acceptance for 45l. 11s. 6d. at three months in respect of the two lots of goods—it was dishonoured on presentation—on 1st November I supplied 41 more bundles, value 16l. 2s. 8d. to the same order of Bower and Co. upon one month's credit, and on 16th November I supplied the balance, completing the order—I sent the invoice—on 22nd November I received this letter. (Returning the delivery note, and stating "We have unexpectedly been adjudicated bankrupts"—upon that I got the last lot of goods back—the total value of the goods retained was 62l.—I was not paid—I supplied those goods in consequence of my correspondence with Spalding and Hodge, and believing that Bower and Co. was a respectable firm of merchants, and that the prisoner was dealing in the ordinary course of his trade—this is Messrs. Spalding's letter of July, 1881. (Stating that they had given Bower credit for 300l.).

Cross-examined by MR. GRAIN. All the deliveries were a portion of the same order—he accepted the two lots at three months afterwards—in consequence of the delay in manufacture they were sent in four lots.

THOMAS HUDSON . I am a clerk to the London Agency Shipping Company—on 2nd September I had 87 millboards advised to me from Mr. Martin, of Hermitage Wharf, marked B. L., and consigned to Bower and Co., Union Court, Old Broad Street—this is the lading notice—the goods were taken from the wharf on 27th and 28th September—the order was endorsed "Bower and Co. to Thomas Eagles," and "I homas Eagles to Poulter's van"—later in September I received 41 bundles, the same consignor, advised to Bower and Co., and delivered by Maggs's van on 8th November—on 19th September 74 bundles—these were stopped in transfer—this is the letter.

CHAELES WOETHY . I am foreman to Mr. Poulter, carrier, of Dowgate Dock—in September I received an order from Mr. Eagles to remove millboard from Hermitage "Wharf to Dowgate Dock—I received the lading notice—the carman took them away.

JOHN BOUTLE . I am employed by Messrs. Poulter, carriers, of Dowgate Dock—in September I took 41 bundles of millboard from Hermitage Wharf to some stables at Ratcliff—the next morning another carman took them to Dowgate Dock.

JAMES KING . In September last I was employed by Messrs. Poulter, of Dowgate Dock—on 30th September I carted from the stables at Ratcliff 41 bundles of millboards, and delivered them with the advice note to the foreman at Dowgate Dock.

JAMES VINOENT . I am warehouseman to Messrs. Breffitt, wharfingers, at Dowgate Dock—I took from Boulden 87 bundles of millboard on 28th and 29th September to the order of Thomas Eagles—they stopped at the wharf till 30th October—on 30th September I delivered 41 bundles more—both lots went away on one order to Thomas Eagles by Poulter's to Maggs's van.

JOSEPH MAGGS . I am a clerk at Hoxton to Maggs and Co., carriers—on 31st October I entered an order at night and saw Mr. Eagles's letter—on 8th November I received another order from Mr. Eagles to take a ton of paper to 8, Upper Thames Street—I entered the charges.

HENRY CHARLES BURT I am a brown paper manufacturer at Whichampton, near Wimborne, Dorset—on 24th July I received this letter of 23rd July, signed Bower and Co., applying for samples and giving the name of Herbert Hounsell and Co.—in consequence of that letter, on 26th July I called at the prisoner's premises in Union Court—I saw the prisoner—I considered that he was a paper merchant carrying on business; I was satisfied, with the appearance of his office—I left samples with him—I called next day and he referred me to Spalding and Hodge—I took a verbal order from him for 55 reams of paper, value 55l. odd—on 9th August I sent the goods by the South Western Railway to Nine Elms, to the order of Bower and Co.—I wrote to Bower and Co. with the invoice—the goods were sold on monthly credit at 21/2 discount—I received a letter acknowledging receipt on August 22nd from Bower and Co.—we had further correspondence—he wanted me to supply him with more paper, and I told him until the previous account was settled I should refuse to go on again—hearing of proceedings I stopped 34 reams of my paper which was then at the railway, and got it back—I have received no payment at all.

JOHN STOCKDALE . I am chief clerk in the goods department at Waterloo Station—I recollect 21 reams of brown paper coming from Wimborne to the order of Bower and Co. on 10th August—I sent Bower and Co. the advice note—it was endorsed to Mr. Eagles—they were taken away in due course—34 more reams were included in the same advice note, which has since been banded back under an indemnity.

NATHANIEL SUTTON . I am a South Western Railway carman at Nine Elms—acting under orders on 19th August I delivered 10 of 21 bales of brown paper at Mr. Dawson's, on Mr. Eagles's order.

JAMES COPAS . I am a South Western Railway carman—on a Saturday afternoon in August I delivered 11 bales of paper at Dawson's, in Thames Street, to Mr. Eagles's order.

FELIX DRAKE . I am a twine and cord manufacturer at East Yeovil, near Somerset—on 31st August I received from my London agents this order from Bower and Co. (Twenty dosen of cord at 7s. 6d., thirty dozen of white twine at le. 6d., &c), to be delivered at Nine Elms—referring to my book I find I sent the order—on 8th September I received an order for 60 dozen of shoe plates, which I supplied on 15th and 16th September to 8, Union Court—the last lot were sold on three months' credit—they have not been paid for—I received this letter of 13th September acknowledging the receipt—there was further correspondence, and on 21st September I sent off 70 dozen more of cord to Bower and Co. upon three months' credit—they have not been paid for—I sent the goods because I understood the prisoner was a respectable man, and it would be safe to do so, and I thought I should make money by the transaction—I was referred to Mr. Need—I made no inquiries till after the goods were sent.

CHARLES TWITE . I am a commission agent—I was agent to Mr. Drake up to December 31st—in September I received various orders from the prisoner through my traveller, Mr. Herbert, who has left me—I received this memorandum addressed to myself, (A list of goods) upon the firm of Bower and Co.—we sent copies to Messrs. Drake and Co.

CHARLES WILLIAM GREEN . I am clerk to Messrs. Dixon, Corbett, and Spencer—I remember the carman bringing Mr. Twite's order on 6th September from Bower and Co.—it is endorsed "Deliver to bearer"—I delivered the goods accordingly.

ERNEST FREDERICK ANDERSON . I am a clerk at the Capital and Counties Bank, Ludgate Hill Branch—I produce a copy of the prisoner's account—I received a letter stating that my books would not be necessary.

THOMAS EAGLES . I know Blenkarn as Bower—my place of business is 83, Upper Thames Street—I live at Staines—the prisoner's offices at 8, Union Court are three quarters of a mile from mine—I had transactions with him in 1881 to the amount of 1 059l. 3s., 3d., generally in paper and twine—I first knew him about the middle of 1880—I know the buildings described on the order form, 8, Union Court, Old Broad Street—the entrance would be about 80, Bishopsgate Street—that is no doubt given to indicate the locality; it is near the Four Swans—I introduced him to the Capital and Counties Bank—I had an account there—he said he found it inconvenient to make remittances to the country—tho amount of his dealings with me in the four months previous to his bankruptcy was about 450l.—he said he was buying goods from om Mr. Burt, and Mr. Martin

—I remember buying paper marked S and H, which I should conclude was Spalding and Hodge—it was not my business to inquire whose paper it was—it was lying at Farringdon Street Station—I paid by cheque—I lent him money occasionally—I had goods as against these advances, in one case especially—I transferred a portion of the goods which I had at Farringdon Street to him back again—from what I have heard this morning a greater portion of them went to Guppy's—that left him in my debt something like 86l.—I re transferred it, not having money in exchange—Bowers had the delivery order—I took it over at 81l. odd—I had an invoice—I have not got it, and perhaps you don't want to know the reason—it is with my solicitor, in connection with other paper that has been seized—I had some twine of him invoiced at 43l.—I did not like taking it—he pressed me—mine is a general job business, if I see anything worth my while I buy—the twine was at the dock, and was burnt in a fire—the order was not lodged, therefore they were not covered by my authority—my having millboards to make up for those that had been burnt had nothing to do with the affair—I gave the order to Bowers some time before the affair; Martin was a long time making them; they came on in due course—Martin's millboards were transferred to me on landing—I had given the prisoner an order for them three, four, or five months before I received them; he gave me a letter saying that he had millboards in the City; he had samples, and here is the letter of July—Martin's first communication was about June—the order to Martin is 17th June—I did not ask the prisoner to get me the millboards in the first instance—I have no entry from which I can speak to the order—I keep books; I have not them here—I should not preserve the envelope—here is an account for 59 dozen of twine at 5s. 6d. and 50 dozen at 6s.—I know nothing of twine makers except one at Birmingham—that twine was in pursuance of an order endorsed over to me—there is one more transaction for 70 dozen of twine on 18th October at 7s. 6d. per dozen—the prisoner owed me money—I had the twine against that money, and I gave some money as well, cash and a cheque—on 2nd November some millboards were transferred to me—that was a portion of a 5 ton order which I had originally given—on 15th September he had 50l. worth of goods on credit—I remember his bringing the last lot of goods to the wharf—he told me then he had been adjudicated a bankrupt—I said if that were the case I could not have anything to do with him—I cannot fix the date of that with certainty, but it would be after 7th November, and previous to 15th or about 15th December—I did not consider it safe to take the goods—I called at his office three times a week; I saw the office fittings; I cannot tell if they were worth 10l. or more—Mr. Switch was there—there was a table and a chair—the place was pretty well furnished as an office.

Cross-examined by MR. GRAIN. The prisoner came to me about 13th June; he wrote me a letter asking me to call, and he would show me samples—I called and saw some pieces, and gave him an order for five tons.

By the JURY. I paid 3 1/4 d. per pound, and in one case I think I had an invoice at 3 1/2 d. per pound—I am a paper dealer.

GUILTY.* Recommended to mercy by the Jury on account of his being lame, and as they thought the conduct of Eagles in buying the twine below price, very reprehensible, . He then PLEADED GUILTY to a previous conviction of misdemeanour in April, 1874,— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

OLD COURT.—Wednesday, March 29th, 1882.

Before Mr. Justice Watkin Williams.

409. CHARLES LEAPER (22) was indicted for a rape on Eliza Tibbies.

MR. HORACE AVORY Prosecuted.

GUILTY of the attempt. Recommended to mercy by the Jury .— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

410. HARRIET MALYON (22) was indicted for and charged on the Coroner's Inquisition with the manslaughter of her newlyborn child.

MR. RIBTON Prosecuted; MR. HORACE AVORY Defended. Upon this charge, after hearing MR. RIBTON'S opening, the COURT was of opinion that there was not a sufficient case to go to the Jury.


411. HARRIET MALYON was again indicted for unlawfully endeavouring to conceal the birth of the said child.


412. JOHN COOK (29) , Feloniously presenting a pistol loaded with gunpowder and bullet at Amelia Cook, with intent to murder her. Second Count with intent to do grievous bodily harm.

MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS Prosecuted; MR. RIBTON Defended. AMELIA COOK. I live at 40, Chilton Road, and am the prisoner's wife—on 7th March, about 11.30 o'clock, he came home; he was standing at the door, and asked me if I wanted any beer; I said "No, thank you, John"—I went into the kitchen and turned off the gas, and then went to the street door to see if he was there; finding he had gone I shut the door and went upstairs—he returned in about five minutes; my daughter opened the door to him; I heard him say to her "Where is your ma?"—I came downstairs, and he said" This will do for you," pointing a revolver at my head; I put my arm round him, and tried to take it from him; I did not succeed in getting it; I cut my hand in trying to take it away; I can't tell what with; I don't remember anything more after that—I saw a stranger outside, and asked him to stay and save me—I then went upstairs, put on my hat and jacket, and went to the policestation; I then came back and gave my husband into custody—he had threatened my life several times before this; he tried to kick me only a day or two before, and on several occasions said I had lived too long.

Cross-examined. We have been married seven years; we have not lived happily together, only through drink; except that we have been on the best of terms—on one occasion he was obliged to go to the hospital; that was not through my violence; he was drunk and upset the things, and I threw a shell at him, which cut his head; that was in self defence—he never had a black eye from me; he has given me three; I never struck him—I only wish for protection; my life is in danger; I am not safe with him; I dare not live under the same roof with him; if I do I shall be murdered—I have sent him money while he was in prison to get food with—I don't wish to punish him severely, but I can't go home where he is; I have had seven years' punishment, and I think he deserves a little—I thought the revolver was loaded; I never saw a pistol before—he had told me the night before in my bedroom what he would get for me; he has wished me dead many times—he had the

pistol in his left Land; it was in the dark; I think I was too quick for him—I could not tell whether his hand was on the trigger or not—I am not rather quicktempered, though I have had enough to make me so—I have seen him with his face scratched when he has been drinking; I don't know where he got it scratched; I don't know that I scratched it; I did on one occasion in selfdefence; I don't know how long ago that was; it was when he was in drink; I do not know that I ever did it before; I can't swear it because I don't remember—what he said to me was "This will do for you and quiet you"—he has been out all night on several occasions—he is a grocer by trade—I am his second wife—the shop is shut up today because I am here; my daughter manages it, but she is here also—I am carrying on the business—I have 75l. of his debts to pay—I have written two letters to him since he has been in prison; in one of them I wished him prosperity.

Re-examined. Before this he told me one night in my bedroom that he would get a little article to quiet the two of us—I asked who the two were, and he would not answer me—he has been very violent for a long time—the grocer's business is his; I had a shop before that, we had compensation to get out of it, and then we took this one.

AMELIA AUSTEN . I am the daughter of the last witness by a former husband—on the night of 2nd March when the prisoner came back the second time I opened the door to him; he asked where mamma was; I said she was upstairs; he said "I have something here that will quiet her and do for her"—my mother came downstairs, and he held the revolver at her head and said "I have something here that will do for you and quiet you"—she tried to get the pistol from him, and I went into the street and looked for a constable.

Cross-examined. I live in the house with my mother—I have been in the Court and heard her give her evidence—she is a quiet, peaceable, goodtempered woman; she is not irritable—I have never heard the prisoner complain of her illtemper; I know she is desirous to live apart from him—she had a shop when they were married, not the same one they have now—I never knew her scratch his face—I am always at home—I have not been talking to. my mother's brother about this prosecution. LYDIA BEED. I was in the Widow's Son publichouse on the evening of 7th March, between 11.30 and 12 o'clock—I saw the prisoner there—he was loading a revolver up in a corner—nobody else was there.

Cross-examined. I had never seen a revolver before—he was not above a yard from me—I did not say anything to him—he looked at me—he was putting something into the pistol—I then went out and left him there—I did not tell anybody what I had seen.

JOHN REER {Policeman K 318). About 10 minutes to 12 on the night of 7th March the prosecutrix came to the station in Bow Boad—I went with her to 40, Chilton Koad—I called the prisoner out and told him I should take him into custody for attempting to shoot his wife—he said nothing—I asked him where the revolver was—he said he had not got one—I said I would search him—I put my hand in his righthand over coat pocket and found this revolver—he then became very violent, and I had to get the assistance of two other constables to take him to the station—I handed the revolver to the inspector—he examined it in my presence, and found one ball cartridge in it—I found on the prisoner 34 other ball cartridges, which I produce—he said nothing in reply to the

charge at the station—I think he had been drinking; but he did not appear drunk—I did not know him before.

WILLIAM BACK (Police Inspector). I took the revolver from the last witness at the station, examined it, and found one ball cartridge in it—it was put in in such a way that it could not go off; I had to force it out; it seemed to be fixed against the side; it was not pushed into the socket far enough.

Cross-examined. Only one chamber was loaded, and that was very clumsily put in; the other five chambers were empty—they are new cartridges.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "All I have to say is that the revolver was not loaded, and I was not violent with the constables. Me and my wife had been quarrelling, and I showed her the revolver to frighten her, with no intention of shooting her. "

GUILTY on the second count — Five Years' Penal Servitude.

413. JOSEPH STOCKS (21) , Feloniously carnally knowing and abusing Caroline Stocks, under the age of 12 years.


GUILTY .— Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

414. JOHN GRAY (60) and ELIZA STREETING (37) were indicted for the manslaughter of John Puttick.

MR. LILLEY Prosecuted. CATHERINE PUTTICK. I am the wife of the deceased John Puttick—the female prisoner is my sister, and Gray lives with her—on Saturday, 4th February, we lived at 6, Angel Alley, Whitechapel—about 20 minutes to 12 that day the prisoner came there to visit us—my husband was in good health at that time—during the afternoon two quarterns of whisky were fetched; I and my husband had ours mixed with water; the others had it unmixed—Streeting then commenced to charge Gray something about a woman—he said something to her and she smacked his face, and told him to go to his wife—she called me names, and I told her to go out of my place—she took up a kettle of boiling water, and a drop of it went over me—my husband, who was lying down, jumped up and tried to get the kettle out of her hand—then Gray jumped up with a stick and began to hit my husband as hard as he could with it; it was a thick round stick with a bit of silver at the top—I then went out to get a policeman; as I left the room I saw my husband fall—I returned in 10 minutes and saw my husband lying by the foot of the bed bleeding, and Gray had either a stick or an iron bar in his hand—I saw him kicking him, and Streeting was lying over him hitting him, but I could not say how—Gray said, "Give it him," calling him a bad name, and she cut his eye open—she then got up, and I saw a vase broken, and the blood was running down—I left the room again and went and spoke to another policeman—I returned and found the prisoners had gone—my husband was still on the floor at the foot of the bedstead—I and another woman lifted him on to the bed—I attended to him until Monday morning, and then sent for Dr. Stirling; he had him removed to the London Hospital—he was there four weeks, and died on 11th March—I was allowed to stop with him nearly the whole time—a Magistrate came and took his deposition, but I was not then present.

Cross-examined by Gray. My husband did not say that he was locked up in the City for begging on 28th January, and that he tore off his pocket with 2s. in it and threw it away because there should be no charge against him—I did not say that I went out to look for him at several stations, and at last found him in one of the City stations, and that I represented myself as the deputy of the lodginghouse where he lived; it is all false—he was not sent to the City Infirmary on the 30th—he was not beaten by three policemen; it was you that beat him.

Cross-examined by Streeting. You went with me to get the whisky Gray never went out at all—we did not have five quarterns of whisky and five of rum—my husband did not lie down on the bed because he was drunk—you were there about two hours—he did not strike you; he only tried to get the kettle from you—I called "Murder!" because you were beating him so, both of you—you held him while Gray struck him—I found the iron next day under the bedstead—I showed it to the doctor and to the police, and a knife that I picked up at the foot of the bed—I could not swear which of you stabbed him with it; I only know that it was done.

Re-examined. My husband was quite sober, and so were the prisoners—I was never drunk in my life.

STEPHEN HEBBEBT APPLEFORD . I am house surgeon at the London Hospital—I was present when the deposition of the deceased was taken by Mr. Bushby, the Magistrate, in the presence of the prisoners—I saw the Magistrate sign it, and I witnessed it. (Read: "I know the prisoners. On Saturday fortnight it was very foggy, and I was at home lying on my bed between 6 and 7 o'clock, and words passed between my wife and the female prisoner, her sister, who had a kettle in her hand. I tried to get the kettle away. Gray, who lives with her, was there. My wife went downstairs, and I got off the bed to try to get the kettle from her, and she tried to throw the boiling water over me, and there was a struggle; and in it I felt a blow on my leg, and I dropped all at once, and lost all power. My leg was broken, in in two places, and I was brought here by five policemen. The male prisoner had a stick in his hand; not the one he has now, it was a mahogany one, like what they push balls about with. I do not remember them saying anything to me all that time; he did not say anything.

Cross-examined by Streeting. It was a little after 3 when you came in my room, not half past 12. We were not drinking all that time and singing. My wife and you did not go out three times, and Gray did not go out for drink. I did not sing "Sweet William of the Ferry" because you liked to hear me sing it. I did not get any of the drink. The table did not fall on me, and we did not get cut with the glasses. I had a share of one lot of drink they brought in, not more. I did not lie down through the drink. Gray did not take my hands from your throat. You smashed a large basin in my face, and cut my nose. I am speaking the truth, so help my God. By the Magistrate. There was not a struggle, and the table did not fall on me. I only remember having drink twice. By Gray. I had not so much drink taken. I had to He down on my bed, and could not go out to get Catherine her living when she asked me. I did not hurt my leg when I was being taken to the policestation by three policemen. I did not tell you the policemen said I was the toughest old man they ever had. It was not in that district at all.") On Monday, 6th February, I saw the deceased immediately after

his admission—he had a very severe fracture of the upper end of the leg below the kneejoint; it was both compound and comminuted; the bone was broken into four fragments—there was also a cut in the wrist, and he had a black eye—he died on 4th March—I attended him through out the whole time—it must have been a very severe blow, even by a heavy stick, to have occasioned such a fracture—there was a small punctured wound just over the seat of the fracture, about two inches from the joint—it was no doubt caused at the same time as the fracture—it was done by a violent blow, and no doubt by the same instrument that caused the fracture—any metal at the end of a stick might have caused it—the blow must have been given in front—I made a postmortem examination, and examined the whole body from the brain downwards—there was nothing else the matter but the injury to the leg—I saw no injuries about the body—I stripped him—the fracture was put in splints immediately on his admission—he gradually got weaker and weaker, suppuration took place, and he finally sank from exhaustion from the effects of the fracture—he never rallied—he received careful attention up to the time of his death—I did all I could for him—a stick was shown to me like this (produced by the prisoner)—it is very light.

CATHERINE PUTTICK (Re-examined). Gray took the stick away with him—I don't think this is the stick, I could not be quite sure, it seemed to be thicker than this; it bad something at the top that looked like silver.

WILLIAM AUSTIN (Policeman H 168). On 10th February the prisoner was given into my custody for assaulting John Puttick, who was then in the hospital—Gray said, "We will go with you"—Streeting said, "What I done I only done in self-defence."

The prisoners, in their defence, stated that a great quantity of drink was had, that the deceased was intoxicated and quarrelsome, and commenced to assault them, and that what they did was in self-defence.

GUILTY .— Three Months' Hard Labour,

NEW COURT.—Wednesday, March 29th, 1882.

Before Mr. Recorder.

415. SOPHIA BALLS (12) PLEADED GUILTY to unlawfully obtaining money from Eliza Gowers and others by false pretences.— Four Months' Hard Labour.

416. JOHN DINEEN and GEORGE HEMMINGWAY, Forging and uttering an order for the payment of 29l. 16s. 8d. with intent to defraud.

DINEEN PLEADED GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Hard Labour. MR. GEOGHEGAN offered no evidence against


417. JOHN DONOVAN (21) , Feloniously cutting and wounding Edward Buckley with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

MR. CARTER Prosecuted.

THOMAS BUCKLEY . I am a general dealer, of 29, Morgan Street—on Saturday night, 24th February, about 12.30, I came to take my father home—I found him in Fashion Street, Spitalfields, with his coat off, and? the worse for liquor—the prisoner was there with his coat also off—he had something in his hand which glittered; I cannot say whether it was a riug or anything else; I said before the Magistrate that I thought it

was a knife—my brother's nose was bleeding—I tried to pull him away, but he would not come with me—they fought for about five minutes-some constables stopped them—they went through a court and began to fight again, and a lot of them got round me, and I was stabbed, but I cannot positively say that the prisoner stabbed me, because there was such a lot of them.

By the COURT. I cannot remember what I said before the Magistrate. (The witness's deposition stated, "The prisoner came after us and took out a knife; he stabbed my brother in the thumb, and my brother fell down")—I did not see him take out a knife—I cannot remember whether I said, "The prisoner stabbed me in the hand and chin"—I was sober—no money has been paid to me since, or any arrangement made—I do not know who wounded my hand—I gave the prisoner in custody because I thought it was he who stabbed me, as he was the one who was fighting.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You asked me to take my brother away—I had no row with any one afterwards.

ALFRED CLARK (Policeman H 120). On Sunday morning, 5th February, Buckley called me and complained that the prisoner had stabbed him—I took the prisoner, who said, "You did not tell him about striking me on the right arm with a poker"—Thomas Buckley gave him in charge for stabbing his brother, and I took him to the station, and then went to the hospital and found Edward Buckley there—it was 17 days before they were fit to attend at Worship Street.

EDWARD BUCKLEY . I am a cigar maker, and live at 50, Dempsoy Street—I do not remember seeing the prisoner after 8.30 on 4th February, or fighting with anybody, but I found myself in the hospital next morning with two stabs in my abdomen and one on my left hand—I was there 17 days—I do not remember having a row, or giving an account of it to the hospital surgeon.

JOHN GILLIES (Police Sergeant 4 X). I was at the station when the prisoner was brought there, and Thomas Buckley charged him with stabbing him in the head and hand; his head was enveloped in bandages—the prisoner said "I was in the crowd when Thomas Buckley got a piece of iron from a Jodging-house, and was about to strike me; I struggled with him for it, but never had a knife in my hand"—they were were both sober—this knife (produced) was found on the prisoner.

ABRAHAM COHEN; I am house surgeon at the Metropolitan Free Hospital—on 4th February, a little after midnight, Edward and Thomas Buckley came there—on Edward I found a severe punctured wound in the abdomen, and an oblique wound on his left hand, the arteries of which were spurting—he had been drinking, but he gave an intelligible account of how it happened—the wound on the abdomen was in a very dangerous place—this knife would inflict the wounds—Thomas Buckley was as sober as a man could be—my assistant attended to him.

Cross-examined. The cut on the hand might be done by taking a knife away—some sharp instrument must have been pressed against his hand. The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I was attacked by the two brothers, and struck by one of them. I said 'It is not right.' They followed me through the court, and attacked me with a knife and a poker, and in trying to get the knife away I got struck with the poker; that is how he got his hand struck and the stab. He was very drunk; falling about."

The prisoner repeated the same statement in his defence, and added that he got into the row by trying to get a drunken man home, and preventing his doing harm.


418. ROBERT LOVETT (20) and EDWARD MURPHY (18) , Robbery with violence on Thomas Stacey, and stealing a watch and chain, his property.

MR. HOFFMEISTER Prosecuted. THOMAS STACEY . I am a butcher, of 88, Redman Street, Stepney—on 12th March, about 10.40 p.m., I was in Mile End Road with my brotherinlaw, Thomas Clarke—the two prisoners and another man were 20 yards in front of us—Lovett took bis coat off, and they turned round and joined us and a lot more, and some females—Lovett snatched at my watch, and struck me twice on my chest—I caught him by his arm, and he ran, and I ran after him—I had got his coat, and took him to the station—Murphy followed me, knocked me down, and kicked me in my side; the bruise has not gone yet, and my chest is still bruised, and my thumb was put out—I have not seen my watch since—I gave 18 guineas for it—I also lost a gold locket, a key, and an umbrella—I spit quite half a pint of blood—I was a healthy man before, and never suffered anything in my life.

Cross-examined by Lovett You hit me twice—I struggled with you, and that is how I got your coat.

THOMAS CLARK . I am Stacey's brotherinlaw—I was with him on Sunday night, 12th March—we saw three young men togther in front of us—the prisoner was one—he pulled his coat off they closed in, and Stacey lost his watch—a struggle ensued; Stacey seized Lovett, who slipped his coat—we chased them, calling "Stop thief!"—Murphy ran after Stacey, and knocked him down, and he fell on his face on the tram line—I caught Murphy, and held him till the police came.

Cross-examined by Murphy. I cannot say whether you kicked Stacey, but I saw you knock him down.

HENRY YOUNG (Policeman H 72). I saw Stacey running down the road calling "Stop thief!"—I ran after him, aud saw Murphy hit him on the back of his neck, and knock him down—Clark stopped him, and I took him to the station—I found this piece of chain (produced), about 2 a. m., six yards from where the robbery was committed.

Cross-examined by Murphy. I was 10 yards from you—I saw you hit him, but not kick him.

JOHN MCGWYRE (Policeman H 404). I was off duty, and in plain clothes—I heard cries of "Stop thief!" and saw Lovett rush out from two or three men across Mile End Road, and go down a passage—I pursued him through several streets; he then put his back against a wall, and said "What are you following me for?'—I said "What are you running away for?"—he said "I have been assaulted by some free fighters; I have knocked down a man, and have run away"—I said "You must come back with me"—he said "I shan't"—I took him to the station, where he was identified among eight more—I afterwards found the piece of chain on the spot.

Lorett's Defence. I have got a young wife and child, and I did it under the greatest temptation. There are previous convictions against me, but I am doing my best to get a respectable living.

Murphy's Defence. I was pushed, which caused me to fall against the prosecutor, which knocked him down.

GUILTY . They then each PLEADED GUILTY to previous convictions in August 1881, LOVETT** at Bow Street, and MURPHY at Worship Street— Nine Months' Hard Labour each.

419. ALFRED HOWARD (19) and THOMAS SMITH (20) , Robbery on Jacob Harris, and stealing a watch and chain, his property.

MR. HEWICK Prosecuted. JACOB HARRIS. I am a tailor, of 32, Heneage Street—on 14th March, a little after 1 o'clock in the day, I was in Heneage Street, and saw the prisoners and others—Smith knocked me down, dragged my coat off, and Howard gave me a push—I lost my watch and chain—I called "Police!" and they ran away—I am perfectly sure they are the men.

Cross-examined by Howard. I do not know which of you took my watch, because you were both on top of me—my two friends ran for the police, and left me on the ground.

HARRIS BLUMENTHAL . I live at 68, Pelham Street—I was in Heneage Street, and saw the two prisoners lying on top of Harris—Howard caught hold of my coat and of my chain, and broke it—I followed them with two policemen, and a gentleman stopped Howard.

SIMON BLUMENTHAL . I live at 32, Heneage Street—I saw the two prisoners on top of Harris—Howard catched me here, and I caught hold of my chain, which saved my watch—I called" Police!" and the police went with me, and I saw them taken—Smith punched the policeman in the face.

GEOROE NEAVE (Police Sergeant 123). I saw the prisoners running, chased them through three streets, and caught Howard—Smith came up and said "What are you going to do with him?"—I said "He is going to the station"—he struck me on my mouth—I caught hold of him and gave him in custody to a constable—they were both taken to the station and charged with assault and highway robbery.

Howard in his statement before the Magistrate and in his defence said that he had been drinking, and did not know what he did, and that the policeman in-quired whether there was any beer to be got over the job.

GEOROE NEAVE (Re-examined), I never said so. Smith's Defence. If I knew anything of the case do you think I would to the policeman and ask him why he took him. The policeman was drunk.

GEORGE NEAVE (Re-examined). I was sober—I was on duty—another policeman was with me—lie is not here.


They then PLEADED GUILTY to previous convictions, Howard at Worship Street and Smith at the Mansion House, both in November, 1880.— Nine Months' Hard Labour each.

420. ALEXANDER DUN (31) , Unlawfully assaulting Michael Murphy .

MR. SAUNDERS Prosecuted.

THOMAS COPPIN . I am a cordwainer, of 2, Batty's Gardens, Whitechapel—on 3rd March, at 5.40 p.m., I went to the Blakeney's Head and saw the prisoner and prosecutor quarrelling—as I was drinking my ale I heard the report of a pistol—I turned round and saw the prisoner with a pistol in his hand—I seized his hand and said "Give me that pistol"

—he said "I done what I done, and meant it"—he was drank—the pistol was pointing down.

WILLIAM SMITH . I am a shipwright—I was in the Blakeney's Head-Murphy aggravated the prisoner, and wanted him to go into the square to fight—Murphy did not want to take off his coat—the prisoner said "If you do I shall put one of these bullets in your head," and took a revolver from his pocket and fired it downwards towards the floor, not to hurt the man, more to frighten him—Coppin took the pistol away.

MICHAEL MURPHY . I am a costermonger—I went into the Blakeney's Head for a glass of ale—I was not sober—I had a quarrel with the prisoner—I do not want to tell a lie about it—I have not had my dinner today—I have been up since 3 o'clock this morning, and have only taken 1s. 3d.—I forget all that took place—they put me down as a crimp and a loafer, but I have worked 14 years in Cambridge Street. (The witness being evidently drunk was not further examined.)

WILLIAM WHITE (Policeman 224 X). I was called to the Blakeney's Head by a man named Baker, who is not to be found, and found the prisoner and Murphy, who said that he had been fired at with a revolver towards his feet—the prisoner said at the station" I drew the revolver to frighten him, and it went off by accident, as it has a hair spring, and goes easily"—he was drunk, and so was Murphy—I examined the revolver, and drew out four loaded cartridges and one empty one, which had just been fired—the bullet was taken out of the back of a sailor in the hospital, but he has gone to Scotland.

Prisoner's Defence. Murphy asked me for beer and then for money, but I would not give him any. He pulled off his coat and asked me to fight. I took the revolver out to frighten him, and it went off by accident. I had it with me, as I was going to take it to be repaired. The bullet being found in a sailor's back must be nonsense, because I held the pistol down, and if that had been so it would have been brought up against me.

GUILTY of assault. Strongly recommended to mercy by the Jury .— Three Days' Imprisonment.

THIRD COURT.—Wednesday, March 29 th, and Thursday, March 30 th, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

421. EDWARD WATSON (18) PLEADED GUILTY to breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Edward Luckett, and stealing a watch and other articles, the goods of Sarah Luckett . Also to a conviction of felony at Clerkenwell in September, 1880.— Fifteen Months' Hard Labour.

422. CHARLES WRIGHT (19) , Stealing 4l. 7s. 6d. moneys of George Palmer.

MR. HICKS Prosecuted.

WILLIAM GABRIEL . I live at 23, Springdale Road, Stoke Newington—I am manager to Mr. George Palmer, of 119, Cheapside, City, merchant tailor—on Monday, 20th March, I was in my shop between 0 and 7 p. m.—a young man came in, and was there about a quarter of an hour—I went with him outside the shop into the street—he wanted to know the price of certain material—he went away; he did not deal—as I reentered the shop I saw the prisoner coming out—he was in the

doorway—I found one of the trouser links disarranged; I regulated that—I looked at my desks—I found both my golds clear—I had seen them safe two or three minutes before—3l. 10s. in gold and 17s. 6d. had been in them—I gave information to the police—the prisoner had a dark coat, dark brown tweed trousers, a low felt hat, and there was a scar on his cheek—I was taken to Bow Street on Tuesday night, the 22nd, at 12.30—I identified the prisoner from six others—he was taken into custody and charged—I was outside the shop with the young man about five minutes.

CHARLES BEERY (Detective Sergeant E). In consequence of what I saw in our printed instructions I arrested the prisoner in the Strand—I said "I am going to take you into custody, Wright, for stealing 4l. 7s. 6d. in the City"—I knew him previously—he said "What was it?"—I said "I do not know the facts of the case; I believe it was a purse"—he said "Very well, I will go quietly"—I then took him to Bow Street Policestation—he was placed with six other young men, and the prosecutor came and identified him—the men were taken from the street; they were respectably dressed.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You did not tell me you knew nothing of it—I did not say so at the Mansion House—you did not say you could prove you were at a different place altogether.

FREDERICK DOWNES (City Detective Officer). About 12 p. m. on Tuesday, 21st, I went with Gabriel to Bow Street Police-station—Gabriel immediately picked the prisoner out from several others—I said to the prisoner, "I am an officer from the City; I shall take you there and charge you with stealing 4l. 7s. 6d. from 119, Cheapside, from a till"—he said, "Berry said it's a purse; now you say its a till"—I conveyed him to Thames Street 'Police-station, the charge was read over to him, and in answer he said, "Gabriel is a wicked man; I can get witnesses to prove that I was at a different place. "

Prisoner's Defence. I know nothing about this case. I was at home, and in bed. I was with James Austin in the afternoon, and when I was picked out at the station there was no one my own size; they were all tall men.


He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony at Bow Street in July, 1881.— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

423. MICHAEL SHARP (24), Feloniously forging and uttering an order for the payment of 6l. 4s. 4d., with intent to defraud.

MR. DAXBY Prosecuted.

CHARLES THOMAS COOPER . I am a jeweller, at the corner of the Green, Ealing—on 11th March the prisoner came into my shop and asked to be shown a silver watch—I showed him one value 2l. 5s.—I also showed him a goldplated chain, and a silver pencil-case, and a clock—the articles came to 3l. 16s.—he tendered me this cheque for 6l. 4s. 4d. (Dated 9th March, 1882, London and South Western Bank, Ealing Branch, signed M. A. Sidey)—I said, "I have not change; I will send it with the clock in the evening"—he went out of the shop—I followed him—after re-turning from two Acton policestations, and apprising a policeman, I saw him approaching me in a four-wheeled cab—I was in a Hansom—I stopped his cab—I told him I wanted him—he said, "What do you want me for?"—I said, "You will see; you know all about it; come

on"—he came willingly—Dabbs followed me with the remainder of the chequebook.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I told you I had authority to arrest you—another man was in the cab—I told him to follow, and thought the cabman would have brought him on—I do not remember your saying" Mr. Wagner sent you with the cheque, and that it was a case of mistaken identity—I cannot say if you dropped the chequebook.

HARRIET HANNAH SIDEY . I live at Promenade House, Uxbridge Road, Ealing—I am the daughter of Mary Ann Sidey, a wine and spirit merchant—she keeps an account in the name of Sidey and Co. with the London and South Western Bank—the signature on this cheque, "M. A. Sidey," is not my mother's writing—the prisoner was in our employment about four weeks as traveller—the prisoner had once gone to the bank with the note—he was not entrusted with the bankbook—it was generally locked up behind the counter—I kept the keys—the prisoner left on the 11th February.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I never heard you say Wagner sent you—the first time you called, my mother saw you alone.

By the COURT. My mother is unable to come here; she suffers from spinal disease—she trades in the name of Sidey and Co.

HENRY EDWARD TUCKER . I am manager to the Ealing Branch of the London and South Western Bank—an account is kept there of Sidey and Co.—M. A. Sidey has not been a depositor since 9th February last—the chequebook was issued on this forged order given to a new cashier on the 9th—the cheque is from that book—I had it on the 11th, and saw it was a forgery—the cashier had been there a day or two—M. A. Sidey's account had then been transferred into the name of Sidey and Co.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I have not seen you at the bank. ALFRED DABBS. I live àt Acton—I was in the Ealing Road on the 11th—I saw two cabs I saw Mr. Cooper take the prisoner out of a cab—I found this chequebook against the Elms publichouse—the cab was 100 yards off, coming towards me—I gave it to the constable.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I said at the policecourt I saw you throw the book away—you threw it against the gate when Mr. Cooper was taking you to the station—you had it in your left hand—you seemed to take it from an inside pocket—I never noticed any umbrella or anything in your hand.

CHARLES THOMAS COOPER (Heexamined by the Prisoner). I had hold of your right hand, and in your right hand you had an umbrella—your left hand was free.

By the COURT. He said," I will give you the watch and chain back and this money"—he was wearing the chain—he had the silver pencilcase.

EDWIN UNSTEAD (Policeman X 398). The prisoner was given into my custody by Cooper at the station—I found on him this silver watch and chain which he was wearing, with the pencilcase, a gold watch and chain, 4l. 9d. 1d. in a purse, an umbrella, and eight tickets and two cheques filled up on the London and South Western Bank, Ealing Branch—he said he would pay Mr. Cooper for the watch and chain; the other one he said belonged to his wife.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You did not tell me Mr. Wagner had given you the cheque, nor that you got it from Baron Rothschild's.

SAMUEL CLUNEY (Detective X). On 11th March, about 11.30, I went to the cells at Ealing Station, and saw the prisoner there—I said, "I am going to have this case put into my hands for inquiry; is that address you have given on the chargesheet correct?"—he said," Yes"—he asked me to go and see his wife—I tendered him a piece of paper, and he wrote," Dear Ma,—Please come over to me to-morrow, as I want to see you; please come sharp"—I went to the address given the next day and saw the wife—she was ill—she pointed out a box—the prisoner said," I have filled up the amount of a cheque and took the rest away, and I never filled up any cheques, only the amounts; I met a man last night by Baron Rothschild's who asked me to come with him in the morning to Ealing; I did so; he sent me to several shops in the neighbourhood with cheques to get the goods that were found on me. "

The prisoner, in his defence, stated that they had let the man escape who gave him the cheques; that he had been sent by a Mr. Wagner to Miss Sidey's to obtain the situation, and when he left there Wagner employed him and sent him to the shop, and that he gave him the cheque for work he had done for him, but he never forged the cheque.

GUILTY of uttering .— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

424. JAMES ALLEN (35) PLEADED GUILTY to stealing certain silk handkerchiefs and white mufflers, the goods of the South-Eastern Railway Company , and to a conviction of felony in March, 1880, at Marlborough Street.— Fifteen Months' Hard Labour. And

425. HENRY FUSSELL (24) to stealing 43l. 3s. 7d., the moneys of the Great Western Railway Company, and to burglariously breaking and entering the dwellinghouse of Richard Williams .— Fifteen Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

426. JAMES SIMONS (40) , Stealing 52 newspapers and 103 periodicals of his master, Frederick Farringdon.

MR. SLADE BUTLER Prosecuted; MR. GEOGHEGAN Defended. It appearing that the prisoner was returning to his master's premises with the parcel of newspapers as it bore no address, he having been entrusted to take it with others to the railway for transmission to the country, the Jury returned a verdict of


OLD COURT.—Thursday, March 30th, 1882.

Before Mr. Justice Watkin Williams.

427. JAMES CASEY (20) was indicted for the wilful murder of Frederick James Wilmore.


The prisoner was tried for this offence at the last sessions with Thomas Galliers (see Fifth Session, page 466), who was then convicted; but the Jury being unable to agree as to Casey, were discharged without a verdict as to him.

John O'Callaghan, George Jones, Thomas William Barrett, Charles Robinson Cray, Cecil Rupert Jayworth Lister, Rebecca Jane Wilmore, and Isabella Mullock, witnesses for the prosecution, repeated their former evidence, and Mary Ann Sullivan and Elizabeth Hammond, for the defence, repeated their evidence.

Arthur Thompson also repeated his evidence for the prosecution, but on

this occasion stated that no females ware present when the assault on the deceased occurred. MR. JUSTICE WILLIAMS, referring to the previous evidence of this witness as given in the Sessions Paper, called attention to a discrepancy which he considered important, and at his Lordship's suggestion MR. POLAND called

JAMES DROVER BARNETT . I am official short-hand writer to this Court—I was present at the trial of Galliers and Casey last session, and took notes, in question and answer, of the evidence there given—the report in the Session Paper is a correct narrative from those notes—the witness Arthur Thompson then stated "A young lady was standing looking on; I cannot say whether there were one or two ladies; I did not see a woman selling chestnuts. "

MR. JUSTICE WILLIAMS, without at all imputing wilful mis-statement to the witness Thompson, considered this discrepancy most important as bearing on the evidence of the witnesses for the defence, Thompson being the only person who spoke to Casey being present when the assault on the deceased took place.

Upon this the Jury, without hearing Counsel, found the prisoner


There was another indictment against the prisoner for feloniously wounding Arthur Thompson, upon which MR. POLAND offered no evidence.


NEW COURT.—Thursday, March 30 th, 1882.

Before Mr. Recorder.

428. MARY ADAMS, Unlawfully secretly disposing of the dead body of her child, with intent to conceal its birth.

On the opening speech of MR. LOUIS, for the prosecution, the RECORDER, at the instance of MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS, for the prisoner, held that there was no evidence of secret disposal, and directed a verdict of


429. WALTER REEVES (19) , Forging and uttering a receipt for 7l., with intent to defraud.

MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS Prosecuted; MR. LEVEY Defended.

JOHN HENRY BAKER . I am a grocer, of Saffron Walden—in January I advertised a musical box for sale for 7l. in the Exchange and Mart, and received this reply: "Warner Place, Hackney.—Dear Sir,—I have deposited 7l. with Mr. Maynard, agent, Hackney Road. Please send musical box, on receipt of which I will instruct agent.—Yours truly, Frank Jolly." Soon after that I received this memorandum. (From E. Maynard, 346, Hackney Road, dated January 23rd, stating that Frank Jolly had deposited with him as agent 7l. on sale of a musicalbox.) I forwarded the musicalbox next day, and wrote this letter (produced) to Mr. Maynard for the money, but it was never sent.

RICHARD MAYNARD . I live at 346, Hackney Road, and am local agent to the Bazaar newspaper—this memorandum is not my writing or by my authority, nor do I use printed headings—the prisoner did not deposit 7l. with me for a musical-box.

Cross-examined. I do not do much business for the Exchange and Mart.

CHARLES NIBLETT . I am a clerk in the parcels office, Great Eastern Railway—I recollect a musical-box arriving there in the name of Jolly—the prisoner applied for it on 26th January, between 5 and 6 o'clock, and signed this way-bill—it was addressed to Jolly at Liverpool Street Station, to be left till called for.

Cross-examined. It was dark when he came—I took no special notice of him or of his signature, but the prisoner is the man.

JULIA FORD . I live with Mrs. Lassassie, of Camden Town—I let the prisoner a small workshop in a garden, and he paid a deposit on 16th November—a little boy generally came of a morning for letters and parcels.

HENRY HUTCHINSON . I am foreman to Mr. Marks, of 462, Hackney Road—I know the prisoner as John Bateman—we printed these bill heads for him, "John Bateman, watch and clock maker."

Cross-examined. That was two or three days before the bills are dated, before 10th February—I am the overseer of the place—I saw the prisoner twice, when he gave me the order, and when he took the goods away—we got our money—I see 50 people in a day.

Re-examined. This is the receipt (produced).

FREDERICK ABERLINE (Police Inspector). On 21st February I saw the prisoner leave the back door of High Street, Camden Town, carrying a box of pigeons—he went to a booking-office in Camden Road—I said "I am an inspector of police; I shall take you in custody for obtaining a musicalbox of Mr. Baker, of Saffron Waiden"—I held him while Wright searched him, and found this receipt in his hand for the printing and a list of the local agents of the Bazaar and Mart, Maynard being one—I found this paper in his hand: "J. Bateman, please receive a box containing five pigeons, addressed to E. Knowles, High Street, Nottingham"—the receipt for the pigeons is cancelled by the claim. (MR. LEVEY objected to this evidence, neither document being proved to be in the prisoner's writing, and it was disallowed.)

GEORGE WRIGHT (Police Sergeant). I was present when the prisoner was taken—I found this receipt in his waistcoat pocket, this card of Marks's, and two keys, which opened the workshop.

HENRY GILBERT . I live in Ragland Street, Coventry—in June last I received this letter: "Dear Sir,—I have this day deposited 5l. 10s. with Mr. Maynard for 20 pairs of canaries. Please forward them to Mr. Jolly, London and North-Western Railway Station. I will send up to the station on Wednesday. Yours, Frank Jolly"—on the same day I received this. (On a printed billhead of Maynard's.) "Sir,—Mr. F. Jolly has deposited with me 20l. for canaries, &c. A. Maynard"—in consequence of that I sent 20 pairs of canaries to Broad Street—I did not receive the money and telegraphed to Jolly—the telegram was returned.

FREDERICK COMPTON . I am a clerk at Broad Street Station—I delivered 20 pairs of canaries to the prisoner—he signed this book, "Charles Jolly," and took them away.

Cross-examined. He paid 1s. 7d.—it was between 6 and 7 p. m.

RICHARD MAYNARD (Re-examined). I know nothing of this bill head or of the canaries—I did not authorise the prisoner to receive them.

HENRY CLARKSON . I live at Bury, in Lancashire, and am agent for Mrs. Grundy, of Preston—I received on her behalf this letter: "Madam,—I have deposited 4l. 4s. with Mr. Maynard. Please forward

sewing machine to Charles Deacock, Euston Station, London and North Western Railway"—on the same day I received this: "Madam,—Mr. Charles Deacock has deposited with me 4l. 4s. in respect of sewing machine advertised. R. Maynard"—I sent the machine to Euston Station and communicated with Mr. Maynard.

RICHARD MAYNARD (Re-examined). I know nothing about this sewing machine, no money was deposited with me, nor did I authorise the prisoner to deal with it.


He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction at this Court of a like offence in January, 1880.— Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

430. MICHAEL CONDON (22) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of James Lyons, with intent to steal.

MR. LEVEY Prosecuted. ELIZABETH LYONS. I am housekeeper to James Lyons, of 4, St. Albans Place—on 17th March, between 3 and 4 o'clock, I was disturbed by glass breaking—I got up, went into the kitchen, and saw the window broken, which was safe when I went to bed at 10.45—I saw two policemen at the window, and let them in—we then looked round and saw the prisoner lying on a couch under the kitchen window—he is not a lodger there—I know nothing about him.

CHARLES CROCKER . I am porter at Long's Hotel—on 17th March, between 3 and 4 a.m., I was on the doorstep and heard Mrs. Lyon's gate creak—I got off the step and saw the prisoner go into the house—I heard a smash of glass, and when I got to the window I saw his legs going in through the sash—I could not leave the hotel door—I had seen him about 50 yards from the house about 2.55.

GEORGE NEAL (Policeman C 64). I was called to 4, St. Albans Place, and found a window-pane, 18 inches square, broken—I was admitted and found the prisoner in the kitchen on a couch, covered with a mat, and apparently asleep—I got hold of his arm, and with great difficulty aroused him, got him outside, and asked what he was doing there—he made no reply—I found 1d. on him—he was sober.

Prisoner's Defence. I was drinking part of the night.

GUILTY .— Four Months' Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.—Friday, March 31st, 1882.

Before Mr. Justice Watkin Williams.

431. JAMES MAUNDAY (58) and EMMA ASHBY (31) were indicted for the manslaughter of Richard Ashby. MESSRS. POLAND, MONTAGU WILLIAMS, and CHARLES MATHEWS Prosecuted; MR. FULTON defended Maunday.

ELIZABETH LYNCH . I am married and live at 4, Thomas Cottages, Northey Street, Limehouse—the prisoners lived next door with the deceased, Eichard Ashby, between nine and ten months to my knowledge—I had heard crying and quarrelling several times, but could not say what about—the female prisoner lived with the deceased—I was never in the house—on 6th March, between 9.30 and 9.45, I was sitting in my house at supper, when I heard a scuffle in the next house and a cry of "Murder" and "Help"—I went out and went to the door of the prisoner's house—I saw Maunday standing outside the door, which

was closed, and he was holding the handle—the cries continued and I said to him "Whatever is the matter now?"—he never answered me—I pushed his arm aside and the door flew open, and I went into the room on the ground floor—there is no passage to the house, and only two rooms in it, one front and one back—I saw Ashby on his hands and knees and he was all in flames—his back and head were alight—I was very much frightened, and I screamed for my husband, and he and Mrs. Jobling came in—Maunday followed me in, but did nothing to assist the deceased—he did not pull off his coat and throw it over him—I did not hear him say anything—the female prisoner was standing in the doorway between the two rooms, in her nightdress—I did not hear her say anything—she was crying—my husband extinguished the flames—I was frightened and went out—I did not see any lamp or any fragments of a lamp—Maunday did not resist ray going into the house—I believe they all dined in the front room—Maunday lived in the front and they in the back—if he wished to go into the back he must go through their room—I did not hear the crash of a lamp or anything before I went into the house, only a scuffle—I did not say before the Magistrate that the female prisoner said "What have you done? what is the matter with my poor husband?"—I think that is what Mrs. Jobling said, I don't recollect saying so.

JOHN LYNCH . I am the husband of the last witness—on 6th March, as we were having supper, I heard some wrangling next door—my wife went out and called me, and I went into the front room and saw the deceased all in flames on his hands and knees on the floor—he was partly dressed; he had no coat or waistcoat on—his shirt and trousers were burnt—I saw Maunday between me and the deceased by the fireplace smoking a pipe—I caught hold of the deceased and put out the flames—I tore off part of his shirt and wrapped whatever I could get off the floor and an old blanket round him, which I took off Maunday's bed—Maunday did not assist in putting out the flames—he did not take off his great coat and throw it over the deceased—he said "Take my blanket off the bed and wrap it round him"—I did not take it off the bed, some person in the room gave it me, I can't say whom—I saw the female prisoner standing by the doorway dividing the two rooms, in her night dress; she said nothing, only cried—I held the deceased in my arms after I put out the flames—I noticed that he had a cut on his head which was bleeding a little on the left side above the forehead—I held him till the police came—I called Maunday "A b——old thief," and said "You have settled this old man now"—he said "Lynch, I did not do it"—I assisted the police in taking the man to the hospital.

Cross-examined. I had lived next door to these people for eight or nine months—I never saw the deceased drunk—he was rather deaf, and had an impediment in his speech—he was supposed to be a jobbing painter—I did not notice any lamp in the room; I was very much flurried—it was not the prisoner who handed me the blanket.

KATHERINE JOBLING . I live at No. 2, Thomas Cottages, next door to the prisoners—on the night of 6th March, between 9 and 10 o'clock, I heard a scuffle there—I ran out to the door; it was open; Mrs. Lynch was in before me—I saw the man lying on the floor in flames—Maunday was standing with his back to the fireplace; he did not assist at all—I asked him what he had done to Mr. Ashby—he said, "I have not done

nothing to him, Mrs. Jobling; he has done it all himself"—Mrs. Ashby was standing between the two rooms in her nightdress—she said, "Whatever is the matter with my old man?"—Mr. Lynch came in, put out the flames, and assisted the man—I saw the lamp lying on the floor—there was no light in the room; I went and got my lamp to give them a light—there was a little fire in the grate—their lamp was broken; it was a paraffin oil lamp.

Cross-examined. I had seen the lamp before in their house; this produced is like it; it is in fragments now—Lynch picked the carpet off the floor and put it round him with the blanket—I did not hear Maunday say, "Take the blanket off my bed and put it round him"—I took it off the bed myself and gave it to Lynch; nobody told me to do so—they were in the habit of quarrelling, I don't know what about.

WALTER BREED (Police Sergeant K). I was on duty in Northey Street on the night of 6th March, a little before 10 o'clock, with Sergeant Kerning, I was called to 3, Thomas's Cottages, and saw the deceased on the floor, supported by Lynch—he was unconscious; his body was burnt in several places about the chest and arms, his fingers, and his hair, and the flesh was peeling of; he was also bleeding from a cut on the side of his head—I said to Maunday," How did it happen?"—he said, "I don't know; I was going out for a pint of beer for my supper, and when I got outside the door I saw a light at the window; I then opened the door, and saw the old man all alight"—I then said to Mrs. Ashby," Do you know how it was done,?"—she said, "How should I know how it was none when I was in bed at the time? I heard him having some words about Maunday coming through our room when I was in bed; I then heard a noise, and when I came out of my room I saw my husband all alight; that is all I know about it"—I assisted in taking the prisoners to the station, and then went back and searched the room—it was in great disorder; knives, forks, and spoons were thrown about the floor; there was also a wooden pail fresh broken, and a quantity of paraffin oil about the floor—I found the bottom part of this lamp on the table, the metal part and a portion of the chimney on the floor, and the burner and part of the reservoir in the fireplace on the hob, with some of the deceased man's shirt partly burnt.

Cross-examined. The flames had been extinguished when I arrived—the oil was on the floor in several places, not all in one place—I saw no blood on the floor.

JOHN KERNING (Police Sergeant K). I went to the house with the last witness, and found the deceased supported by Lynch—whilst Breed was gone for the doctor the deceased called out," Oh, my wife, my wife"—the prisoners were both present, and she came towards him, and stooped down, and held out her hand to him—he put out his hand, and endeavoured to take her hand—Maunday was standing in the room smoking a pipe; he went to the deceased and put out his hand to shake hands with him, but the deceased shuddered and turned himself round in an opposite direction—he said, "Oh, cut my throat, cut my throat; why do you leave me here?"—Breed then returned with Dr. Nightingall, who attended to the deceased and sent himwith the inspector to the hospital—I took Maunday to the station—the prisoners were there both charged with assaulting the deceased—Maunday said," I know nothing about it; I was going out for my supper beer, and as I got outside the

door I saw a light in the window; I went back and saw Ashby in flames."

THOMAS NEWMAN (Police Inspector K). I was called to 3, Thomas's Cottages, just before 10 o'clock—as I entered I saw the prisoners, and the deceased was lying on the floor being supported by Lynch; he was insensible—Mr. Nightingall had been fetched by the police, and under his advice I had the deceased removed to the hospital—in consequence of a communication which a person made to me I gave instructions to the officers Kerning and Breed, who arrested the prisoners—I found them in custody at the station—they made no reply to the charge—Maunday was perfectly sober; the woman seemed to be in drink.

Cross-examined. From the state in which the deceased was it was impossible to tell whether he was in drink or not—on the way to the hospital in the cab I noticed that he was conscious, and when he was placed in the receivingward of the hospital I put some question to him—I wrote the questions on paper, and placed the paper in his hand; I held it in front of him as he lay on the bench—he gave an answer to the question—I then put another, and he answered that—he appeared to be rational at that time, but his answers were feeble—this was about 11 o'clock—it did not strike me that he was in drink; I thought he was suffering from the injuries—his answer was in one word, simply an affirmative—my question was a leading one.

ROBERT NIGHTINGALL . I am a surgeon and registered medical practitioner, of 658, Commercial Road, Limehouse—about a quarter to 10 o'clock on this night I was called to 3, Thomas Cottages—I found the man Ashby on the floor in the front room, supported in the arms of the witness Lynch—I asked him one or two questions, but he gave no reply—I found extensive burns over the whole of the scalp, the entire portion of hair having been burnt off, not a vestige of hair remained—the chest and abdomen were extensively burnt, down to the bottom of tho abdomen, and the arms also—the skin was hanging in shreds down his arms and fingers—the burns were very severe, and the shock to the system was intense—I saw a slight exudation of blood on the forehead, but there was no wound—the rubbing of the burns would be quite sufficient to account for the amount that was there—there were a number of people about him—I ordered him to the hospital—I think he had a woollen garment hanging about him in burnt tatters, and the remnants of a coat—I did not examine the room at all, I confined my attention to the manit was a difficult thing even to get into the room at all, from the number of people there were inside there was great confusion—I did not notice any portion of the lamp in the room—perhaps if prompt assistance had been rendered the injuries might not have been so severe—paraffin is a very inflammable thing, some more so than others; if it was upset there would be a flame almost instantaneously, and it would be very difficult to put it out, almost impossible—the room smelt of paraffin.

STEPHEN HERBERT APPLEFOBD . I was house surgeon at the London Hospital on the night of 6th March when the deceased Richard Ashby was admitted; he was suffering from extensive burns on the upper part of his body and arms; I examined him, and had him under my care from the 6th to the 8th, when he died from exhaustion following the effects of the burns—he was very prostrate on the 7th, and complained of cold, which people with extensive burns always do; his condition was very

critical on the night of the 6th from the shock; he was very much in the same condition the next day; he was not informed of his condition all along, but I think he was quite aware of it—he made no voluntary statement—I was present on the night of the 6th when the inspector questioned him, and I myself questioned him on the night of the 7th at the request of the police, and he answered me; I was present when the Magistrate took his statement; he was very deaf, and consequently the questions were submitted to him in writing; he answered in words, and so his statement was taken down; he understood the questions sufficiently to answer them—I could not absolutely say what was the cause of the burns, but it was quite consistent with paraffin oil being thrown over him, or being poured over him accidentally by himself; it was perfectly consistent with either.

JOHN ROBERT WILLIAMS . I am Clerk to the Magistrates at the Thames Police Court—on 7th March I attended with Mr. Saunders, the Magistrate, at the London Hospital, and took the statement of the deceased—the prisoners were at his bedside—the Magistrate, finding he could not make him hear, wrote down the questions; at least the inspector wrote them at my dictation; I wrote three of them; they were shown to him; he replied with great difficulty, answering "Yes" or "No"—he was sworn—the prisoners could hear what the questions were—I asked him to give a full account of what happened last night—he could not hold a pen to sign the statement; his hand was as big as my head, covered with bandages; after I had taken down his statement in narrative I showed it to him, and he nodded his head; the prisoners said they had no questions to ask—this is the statement of Richard Ashby: "I live at 3, Thomas Cottages, Northey Street, Limehouse. I did it myself. I had been looking for work all day. A lamp was on the table when I came home. I went to take the lamp off the table; it went all over me. I had a quarrel with Maunday last night before it happened. I can't say whether it was an accident or not. I did not see Maunday in the room; I can't say whether he was there. Directly I took up the lamp it went all over me."

The prisoners before the Magistrate denied having done anything to the deceased, who was intoxicated at the time, and stated that his cries for help were the first intimation they had of the accident.


NEW COURT.—Friday, March 31st, 1882.

Before Mr. Recorder.

432. WALTER HIGGINS (18) and WILLIAM JONES (20) , Unlawfully conspiring to incite George Waterman to steal his master's goods.

MR. J. P. GRAIN Prosecuted; MR. COLB defended Higgins.

ALFRED WILLIAMS . I am manager to Herring and Co., wholesale druggists, of Aldersgate Street—on 5th January, about 5.30, I was in the chemical room, and saw some liquid running from the floor of the bottle room above—I ascertained that it was perfume, went up with White, and saw the errand boy Waterman in the bottle room—I then sent a man down to tap the floor where the perfume was dripping through the ceiling, and hearing the sound I cleared away some large stone bottles and

found concealed behind them four 1lb. bottles and four 1/2lb. bottles of perfume and one of oil of peppermint—I had a conversation with Waterman the same evening, and next morning I made a communication to Mr. Herring—those nine bottles had been taken out of the essential oil room, the door of which is kept locked and the key hung on a peg near my desk—it is the duty of any person who goes there to come to me for the key—I am under the impression that I had given the key to Waterman that afternoon—he had duties there.

Cross-examined by MR. COLE. Between 70 and 100 people are employed in the establishment, aud about half a dozen may go into the essential oil room in a week—I was present at the last trial, when the Jury could not agree—this bottle is not ours—these two which were concealed have our labels on; these others are manufactured by the thousand.

Cross-examined by Jones. You had a right to the key, and could have gone in and got things without asking the boy to get anything, but very likely you would be asked what you wanted the key for—I have been at my desk and seen you take the key, but I was not always there—you had no more right to it than the boy, because he brought things up there.

Re-examined. Jones left the service in November, 1881, and had no opportunities after that—he left, I believe, on his own account.

EDWARD LATTER (City Detective). A day or two prior to 26th January I received instructions from Messrs. Herring to watch their premises, and on 26th January Mr. Herring gave me these two bottles with instructions—I gave them to Waterman, who had made a communication to me; he put them in his pocket, and left the premises at 1 o'clock—he went across to Higgins, who was standing opposite with a black bag in his hand, and they went down Jewin Street, up Bed Cross Street, into the Golden Anchor public-house, Golden Lane—I went into another compartment; it is a kind of horse-shoe bar, and I could see round—I saw Waterman take the smaller bottle from his breast pocket and put it into the black bag, which Higgins held open—he then took from his trousers pocket the large bottle, and put that into the bag, closed it, and placed it on a stool—in about a quarter of an hour or 20 minutes I went into the compartment and said to Higgins "What have you received from that lad?"—he said" Nothing, Sir"—I said" Oh, yes you have; you received two bottles"—he said "Yes, that is quite right"—I made no charge, but took him to the station, where I got Jones's address, and went there the same evening with Maloney, who found these 20 bottles there—I afterwards saw Jones, and said" I have found these bottles at your place"—he said "Yes; some I bought at Burgoyne's, in Coleman Street, and have got receipts for them, and the others are my own property"—I afterwards went with Malone to Higgins's shop and saw his mother—after 20 minutes we were permitted to make a search, but only found this little bottle—Higgins's bedroom was in great confusion, and the things thrown about the place.

Cross-examined by MR. COLE. Higgins lives with his father in Caledonian Road, and Jones lives next door—I searched Waterman's house, but found nothing—it was Mr. Herring who proposed giving Waterman the bottles—I have not sworn that it came from my brain—Burgoyne's, in Coleman Street, is a wholesale druggist's. MALONE (Detective Sergeant). I found this book at Jones's

lodging—it contains a number of receipts for perfumery—I was with Latter.

Cross-examined by MR. COLE. I have been in Court while Latter was examined—I did not give evidence at the last trial—Waterman, Higgins, and Jones were charged at Guildhall on the first hearing, and on the second occasion they were all three placed in the dock, but while I was out of Court Waterman was withdrawn from the dock and placed in the witness-box.

ALFRED ROGERS . I am an errand boy: at Messrs. Herring's—Waterman and Jones were in their service together—I know Higgins by sight, but I do not think I knew him before Jones left—I first saw him outside the premises speaking to Waterman—he was there two or three times a week, sometimes at 1 o'clock and sometimes in the evening—I have seen Higgins and Jones together in Golden Lane, and Waterman went up to them—that was about two weeks after Jones left.

FREDERICK WARR . I am barman at the Golden Anchor, Golden Lane—I know the boy Waterman—I have seen him there with the prisoners several times in a week—sometimes the prisoners came in together, and Waterman came afterwards and joined them—they would come from 10.30 to 11 o'clock, and sometimes they stayed an hour waiting till Waterman came—their clothes were highly scented.

Cross-examined by Jones. You generally asked for the paper and had some bread and cheese.

Cross-examined by MR. COLE. I have only one assistant, a barmaid—there were not three barmen there on 26th January, only the barmaid and myself.

GEORGE WATERMAN . I am 13 years old—I went into Messrs. Herring's employ as errand boy in May, 1881—I did not know Higgins then—Jones came into the service about three weeks after me, and shortly before he left he said to me "Give me four bottles of scent;" we were then in the essential oil room, and I gave them to him—he did not speak to me again before he left, but the day after he left I saw him outside the premises, and he said "Will you get me two bottles of oil of peppermint—I said "I will if I can;" but I did not see my opportunity—I saw him again outside about a week after, he asked me to get him some peppermint, and I got it and gave it to him, and a few days after that he asked me to get him four bottles of oil of sandal-wood; I did so and gave them to him in the public-house in Golden Lane, and a few days or a week after that he wanted some oil of aniseed, which I got and gave to him in the street—I saw him outside on the night of 24th January, and he asked me to get him some essences, and I took eight bottles from the essential oil room and hid them behind a stone jar, and was going to give them to him—I became acquainted with Higgins by seeing him with Jones outside about a week after Jones left, and I gave things to Jones in his presence—I I have been with them at the Golden Anchor at 1 o'clock, our dinner hour, and once or twice of an evening—I did not know the house before Jones left; he told me to go there—Higgins nearly always carried this bag to put the bottles in—I saw them on the 24th, and arranged to meet Jones next day outside the premises—the policeman told me to do something, and I went out with these two bottles in my pockets and found Higgins—I have received payment on several occasions from both prisoners—when I found that I was discovered I made a statement to my

master—I was charged at the Guildhall Policecourt, and on the second occasion I was taken out of the dock and put into the witnessbox.

Cross-examined by MR. COLE. I was taken on 26th January—I had been robbing my employers for several months before that, and had gone so far as to steal things and gire them away for nothing—on the day I was taken, Mr. Herring accused me of stealing some of his perfumes, and I denied it—that was untrue—he said "Would you like to go to prison for two or three years? if not, you had better make a clean breast of it"—the three of us were put into the dock at first, and I was not put into the witnessbox till a week afterwards—I had not seen Mr. Herring or the detectives between the two examinations, but I had made a statement—Mr. Herring said "Would you like to make a clean breast of it, etc.," before I was taken in custody, and before I had the two bottles given me to plant on Jones—it was by the officer's instructions that I placed the bottles in the bag—I saw Warr behind the counter—I could see the officers in the other compartment—I used to spend the money in going to places of amusement, and got home late at night—I told my mother that I had been with Jones—that was untrue—I took two bottles of oil of peppermint and gave them to Jones while he was in the employ, and with that exception I took nothing during the eight months Jones was there.

Cross-examined by Jones. You could have got the bottles for yourself without asking me—I only went to Golden Lane once for beer: I always went to see you or Higgins.

Re-examined. I did not steal the first bottles, I thought they were for the foreman—I was out on bail between the two examinations—I wrote this paper in the meantime, and sent it to the solicitor for the prosecution.

WILLIAM CORDY HERRING . I am one of the firm of Herring and Co., wholesale druggists—Waterman was our errand boy—Jones came a little time after, and left in November—I heard what had taken place, handed Waterman to Latter, and told him to see into the matter—the things found at Jones's place are similar to what we deal in—these bottles are different to those usually sent out by wholesale druggists—this large one is worth half a guinea wholesale price, and this other 5s. 3d.—this oil of peppermint is worth from 1l. to 25s. a bottle of 1 1/4 lb.—we should not have taken Waterman without a character.

Cross-examined by MR. COLE. Latter asked me for these bottles, and I gave them to him—I did not propose it, and give them to him as a trap—I said to Waterman," I shall give you in charge for taking perfumes," and he denied it—I asked him whether he wished to be in prison for two or three years—the book does not belong to us—there are receipts in it for making perfumes—these bottles are made by tens of thousands—there is no name or address on any of them except the two which Latter asked me for.

Cross-examined by Jones. We took you with a good character from another wholesale druggist—we never had any complaint to make against you.

The prisoners received good characters.

GUILTY .— Four Months' Hard Labour each.

433. ERNEST EDWARD THOMPSON (13) , Stealing a gold ring the property of Isaac Miller Wilkinson . At the request of MR. BESLEY,

for the prisoner, MR. ISAACSON, with the consent of the COURT, offered no evidence against the prisoner, on account of his extreme youth.


434. JAMES BRUNN, Unlawfully obtaining 60l. of Charles Vincent Hepperman by false pretences.

MR. COLE Prosecuted; MR. BESLEY Defended. MR. BESLEY contended that none of the acts of the prisoner would amount to a fake pretence, in which the COURT concurred, and directed a verdict of


THIRD COURT.—Friday, March 31st., and

NEW COURT.—Saturday, April 1st, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

435. GEORGE EVANS (22) and DAVID PUGH (27) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwellinghouse of Thomas Gaze and stealing two tablecloths and other goods his property.

MR. HOFFMEISTER Prosecuted; MR. GEOGHEGAN defended Pugh.

THOMAS GAZE . I live at Alsen Road, Islington—I am a builder's foreman—these two tablecloths, 31 books, and an album, produced, are my property—their value is 50s.—I went to bed between 9 and 10 o'clock—I locked up the house, and fastened the door.

MARY ANN GAZE . I am the wife of Thomas Gaze—these articles were safe on 15th March; I saw them at 2 p. m. on the table in the front parlour—I missed them on Thursday morning, the 16th, when the policeman came about 10 o'clock—I was ill and lying down on Wednesday afternoon—I did not take my clothes off till about 5 p. m.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. Russell Road is five minutes' walk off.

CHARLES SMITH (Policeman Y 299). About 3 a. m. on Thursday, 16th March, I was on duty at the corner of Russell Road, Holloway, and saw two men come out of Travers Road into Russell Road and towards me—one who got away was carrying a large bundle—thev came within 30 yards of me—then one (Evans) passed me, and the other went in the opposite direction—I met Crane and made a communication to him—I followed the one with a bundle into Richmond Place; he ran up the Seven Sisters Road and got away—I found the bundle in Rich cond Place; the articles produced were in it—he was about 5 feet 7 inches high, stoutbuilt, and dressed in dark clothes.

AMOS CRANE (Policeman Y 522). I was on duty about 3.30 a. m. on this Thursday—I saw Evans come out of Tollington Road into Alsen Road—another man was on the other side of the road—I saw Pugh—this was five minutes' walk from Clay's house—they came from the direction of Russell Road—I stopped Evans—I said, "What have you got there?"—he said," I have not got anything"—I pulled his coat on one side, and found this damask table cover underneath—I said, "I shall take you to the station"—he said, "All right, I'll go"—on the way he said, "I have been to some friends at 230, Hornsey Road," and "I bought them of Pugh"—the other man ran up Lorraine Road into Holloway Road—Pugh was carrying a stick; I swear to him by the suit he had on, which he has on now—I have seen him before, going in and out of 230, Hornsey Road.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN, We got to the station about 3.20—

Pugh was in custody the Tuesday night following—Evans did not give me Pugh's name and address—I did not know Pugh's name; I got it from himself—I identified Pugh from nine or ten men all dressed alike, by his fair moustache, dark suit, and by his yellow stick; I believe this is it—when I saw Pugh with Evans I knew that he lived at 230, Hornsey Road.

JOHN OTTWAY (Policeman Y). On the morning of 16th March Crane made a communication to me, and I went to Clerkenwell Policecourt Evans gave me Pugh's name and description—in consequence of the communication and description I kept observation in the Hornsey Road—I apprehended Pugh on the 21st about 4.15 p. m.—I said, "Mr. Pugh, I want you"—he said, "What do you want me for?"—I said, "I shall take you into custody, and you will be charged with being concerned with Evans, in custody, with breaking and entering No. 1, Älsen Road, Holloway"—he said, "I do not know Evans, I might have seen him"—I said, "He has given your name and a description of you and your address"—I took him to the station, and he was charged—I searched him and found a pencilcase, a knife, and this screwdriver in his pocket—he was carrying this walkingstick.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. I was present at Pugh's identification between 6 and 7 o'clock—there were nine others, but no police among them—I made this note of what Pugh said—his description is on the other side—I had this note at the policecourt, but did not refer to it—it was made the same night—if I aid not put down, that in answer to the charge Pugh said "I know nothing about it, "it was in fairness to the prisoner; it was in my memory at the policecourt—he said" I know nothing about it, I do not know Evans. "

ARTHUR BILLING (Policeman Y 153). I know the prisoners well—I have seen them together 20 or 30 times—about a fortnight ago in the Essex Road.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. I was not examined at the policecourt—Inspector Line told me to come here because I knew the prisoners—I spoke to Ottway about it.

WILLIAM DILWORTH (Policeman Y 17). On 16th March I went to 1, Alsen Eoad about 10 a. m.—I found marks of a blunt instrument between the window and the frame—in my opinion an entrance had been effected in that way—I searched the room, and found a quantity of silent matches scattered about; they had been struck—the windows were closed.

The Prisoners' Statements before the Magistrate. Evans says: "I wish to say that I did not steal them, and had nothing to do with the burglary." Pugh says: "I have a witness who can prove where I was at the time. "

Evans's Defence. I met Pugh in a publichouse with another man, and went to other publichouses with them, and for a walk. He asked me to wait while they went to see if his brotherinlaw had gone to bed. In 10 minutes they came back. Pugh had a tablecloth; the other one had a bundle. Pugh asked me to have them for the 1s. 6d. he owed me. That is how I came possessed of them. I did not know they were stolen.

Witnesses for Pugh.

MARIA PUGH . I live with my father, an umbrellamaker, of 51, York Street, Westminster—Pugh is my brother—on 15th March I was up

stairs in my bedroom at work between 12.30 and 1—I heard a knock at the downstairs door; my father opened it, and I heard my brother's voice and my father talking to him, but did not hear all they said—I heard my brother say "I was drinking"—I did not see him that night, but I saw him next morning about 8 o'clock lying in bed at 51, York Street—I saw my mother start to go to 230, Hornsey Road on Wednesday after breakfast—on that night my brother came without her to my father's house.

Cross-examined. My brother is married, and lives with his wife—I was studying—I study every night—I call that work—I cannot recollect when my mother went to Hornsey Road before; not that week—I looked at the clock—a widow and her two sons also live in the house—they have come home late several times—they make no noise; they come in quietly—my bedroom is on the secondfloor—my brother did not sleep there the next night—he went back to the Hornsey Road the next morning—he has not slept there since.

Re-examined. I know my brother's voice from others—I am an assistant schoolmistress in a public elementary school, of which the Rev. Mr. Fox is the manager, and I have a certain amount of brain work every evening—I swear it was my brother's voice I heard.

RICHARD PUGH . I live at 51, York Street, Westminster—my daughter Maria lives with me—Pugh is my son—my wife was ill, and she went to his house in the Hornsey Road—on the 15th I went to bed about 10.30, and fell asleep—some time after 12 I heard knocking at the door—I got up and opened it—Pugh was there—he spoke to me, and came indoors and slept with me—I got up about 6.30 the next morning—I left him in bed—he got up just after 8, and left—I am an umbrellamaker—I have lived in the neighbourhood 27 years.

Cross-examined. I remember this night on account of my wife being away—sometimes she goes to Hornsey; she fancies it does her good—she is closely confined in the business, and when we are slaek she goes out—she had been to my son about three weeks before—my son did not sleep with me the next night—I went to see him on that Thursday at Hornsey Road—I did not find him there—I was told he had been there.

EVANS— GUILTY .— Six Month's Hard Labour.


436. MORRIS SCHOTT (22) , Unlawfully conspiring with Aaronson Newman (not in custody); within four months of the presentation of a bankruptcy petition, to dispose of goods obtained on credit.

MESSRS. GRAIN and TICKELL Prosecuted; MR. LYNCH Defended.

ERNEST ROBINSON . I am a clerk in the Senior Registrar's Department of the London Bankruptcy Court—I produce the proceedings in the bankruptcy of Morris Schott, of 9, Spencer Street, Clerkenwell, watch importer, and 8, Duncan Terrace, Islington—the petition is dated 6th December, 1881, the adjudication 7th December, the appointment of trustee 21st December—the petitioning creditor is Antoine Castelberg, of Chauxdfondx, Switzerland, and 38, Seckforde Street, Clerkenwell, the debt 139l.—I find a transcript of the shorthand notes of his examination on 14th December, 1881, before Mr. Registrar Hazlitt, and a further examination on January 16th, 1882—the order to prosecute is dated 25th January, 1882, signed by Mr. Registrar Pepys.

Cross-examined. This is the file of proceedings—I can find no summons under the 96th section to attend, and no affidavit of service.

Re-examined. The Court ordered the prisoner should be brought up from Holloway Gaol.

WILLIAM VINER EDSALL . I lire at 1, Brixton Road—I am an official shorthand writer to the Bankruptcy Court—on 14th December, 1881, and 16th January, 1882, I took shorthand notes of the examinations of Morris Schott—I produce my original notes, of which the transcript on the file is a true and correct copy.

ANTOINE CASTELBERG . I am a watch dealer and importer at Chauxdfondx, Switzerland, and 38, Seckforde Street, Clerkenwell—my brother manages my business—my first transaction with the prisoner was on 7th October—he paid in due course—the next was about 29th October, when I sold him goods at Clerkenwell for 1,463f., and a few days afterwards goods for 65l. 10s. 5d.—this is a two months' bill for the transaction. (Dated 4th November, 1881, for 65l. 10s. 5d.) That was dishonoured and protested—part of the goods were delivered to the defendant in Clerkenwell, and part at my hotel, 17, Furnival's Inn—he gave me a larger order for 600l. worth of goods—he said they were for shipping; his principal business was shipping, and he told me not to do any business with Bromberg and Co., of Cannon Street, otherwise he should not do any business with me—I accepted the order—the terms were 21/2 per cent commission on the cost price, and cash on delivery—the goods were to be delivered at his place of business in Spencer Street—the order was taken there—I transmitted the particulars of the order to my house in Switzerland—I wrote to different manufacturers to get the goods—I returned to Switzerland, and some goods crossed me on the road—on 24th November the defendant came to me at Chauxdfondx, he said to settle for a parcel of watches which had been sent while I was in Switzerland—he paid 50l. in Bank of England notes and the balance by a cheque for 67l. 11s. 3d.—that was part of the 600l. order—the cheque was sent over to England and dishonoured—I have never been paid any portion of that cheque. (This was dated 28th November, 1881, on the London and County Bank, Upper Street, Islington, for 67l. 11s. 3d., marked "Refer to drawer") He said he would pay cash, so I sold him a parcel, for which he gave me this cheque for 139l. and a few shillings in cash—I sent it to my brother for presentation to the London and County Bank—it was not paid—he dated it 31st December, because he said he did not want cheques presented while he was away, and that he had 25,000 marks in the Hypotheken Bank of Stutgardt, which he would negotiate on arrival in London, and so would be prepared to pay for the goods—that was on 24th November, when I said to him" You have dated this cheque forward, 31st December; "he said it would be paid—I gave the goods to him at the hotel at Chauxdfondx—I had previously sent goods to the value of 117l. 11s. 3d.—he told me he had received them—he said" I have come to settle for the goods you sent"—that was when he gave me this bad cheque—I got a telegram from my brother which brought me to London—I arrived on Saturday evening, 3rd December—I went to my hotel, then to 9, Spencer Street, it was closed; then I went to 8, Duucan Terrace—I had been to his lodgings in Bloomsbury, but could not find him—on Sunday I went to Scotland Yard—on Monday I went to see Mr. Rosenthal, my solicitor, and I went with him to 9,

Spencer Street—I found the office empty—we got the key and went in; we saw two clocks and a safe, but none of my watches—I instructed my solicitor to file a bankruptcy petition against Schott—his debt is 272l. 1s. 8d. for the goods sent—I sent no more of them—I believed him, and that the two cheques were good.

Cross-examined. I asked him if he had sufficient to meet the cheques—I inquired about his position, which was satisfactory, and I let him have the goods because he was to pay me cash for them—I accepted his explanation about the cheque—he did not say that he was not ready to meet it—21/2 per cent. would be my profit—it is commission business.

EDWARD CASTLEBERG . I am the brother of the last witness—in October and November last I was carrying on business at 38, Seckforde Street, Clerkenwell—I recollect my brother being at "Spencer Street, when some goods were purchased on 28th October, and was present when the bill of exchange for 65l. 10s. 5d. was drawn, and when the 600l. order was given by the prisoner to my brother—some goods afterwards came to my place at Graham Eoad, Dalston, to deliver—I moved afterwards to Seckforde Street—they were consigned to the defendant—there was about 190l. worth of silver watches—I received a cheque for 59l. from the defendant in part payment of that delivery—I cashed it the next day—then I delivered the remainder of the goods amounting to about 139l.—I got a cheque for the balance, presented it at the bank, and did not get paid.

Cross-examined. Two orders were given in my presence—the defendant said he sold to shippers, and he would object to giving the order unless my brother would not sell to shippers.

RUDOLPHE ROCHAT . I am a watchmaker, of 119, St. John Street, Clerkenwell—I supplied the defendant with watches—the last transaction was in October last—I am a creditor for 37l.—he paid small amounts for a previous transaction; the largest was 9l. 15s.—I know Victor Francis Bonhote, a watchmaker—I was present at a conversation between the defendant and him at Bonhote's office about the supply of watches—I saw a boxful of watches offered by Bonhote to him—on 3rd or 4th December I went with Bonhote to Schott's office, 9, Spencer Street, and saw the box empty, which had contained the watches.

Cross-examined. Schott said "If you give me the watches I have a customer for them"—Bonhote said "All right, I will give you the watches, if there is no sale you must return them"—Schott said "I pay cash"—he told him he gave him some watches on approbation, and that he would return them if not approved, and if sold he would pay ready money for them—Schott said that—I said before the Magistrate "Bonhote said 'You have them on approbation, if they are paid for, you will pay me, if not let me have them back'"—that is what I say now; if the watches were not sold they were to be returned—Schott handed Bonhote an approbation note.

VICTOR FRANCIS BONHOTE . I am a watch importer, of 119, St. John Street Road, and at Neuchatel in Switzerland—I proved in this bankruptcy for 615l. and 81l. 11s. for goods sold and on approbation between 1st August and 5th December—my first transaction with Schott was the end of August for 205l. at four or five months' credit—he gave me bills—he said he had some money, and wanted to start in business as a watch importer—the next sale was with my firm in Switzerland—the next he paid for—the next was the beginning of November for ladies' watches

amounting to 205l.—he gave me 70l. in cash, and his acceptance for 50l., and a bill for 81l. 11s. on one of his customers—he endorsed the bill—no bills were paid—the next one was 49 watches on approbation—that was when Rochat was present—Schott said he had a customer at his office to whom he wanted to show the watches, and would I let him have them; he would not tell me the customer's name—I said "If your customer does not pay you it is at your risk," and he promised to return me the watches in the evening—in the afternoon he came, and said "I will return the watches in the evening if the customer does not want them"—he said they were on show—if he sold he was to pay cash—he was to bring back the watches or the cash—I am speaking of the latter part of November—I let him have the 49 watches—the value was 134l. odd—it is common in the jewellery trade for dealers to take watches to show to customers, and bring them back if not sold—I have never seen the watches again nor the cash—I saw the box in which they were—it was found at his office—I tried to find him—I saw him next in custody.

Cross-examined. I have known Schott since March last—he had his chin shaved once—he always had whiskers—my proof for 696l. is correct—I am paid by salary—they are my firm's watches—Schott had an office, not a shop—I never saw him work—he only sells to the trade.

Re-examined. I had these watches in my custody on behalf of my principals, and I was responsible.

JULIAN RAYMOND . I am a watch manufacturer at 111, St. John Street Road, Clerkenwell—I trade as Raymond Brothers—Schott owes me 76l. 10s. for watches sold and delivered to him at my house at Clerkenwell—the 76l. represents two transactions of 45l. and 31l. 19s.—the 45l. was on 20th October, 1881, and the 31l. on 19th November, 1881—for each of them he gave me a bill at four months, which was dishonoured—in addition to those two sums he owes me 18l. for watches delivered to him on approbation on 17th November last—he said I could have them back at two hours' notice—I sent my clerk four or five times for them, but he could get no answer.

Cross-examined. You know better than I do what "on approbation" means.

Re-examined. I entrust dealers with watches to sell if they can, or to return—if they sell I enter them to them on such terms as are arranged—a two hours' notice is uncommon—I did not sell the 18l. worth of watches to Schott.

CHARLES REINHARDT . I am in business with my father as foreign bankers, at 14, Coventry Street, Haymarket—Aaronson Newman, of 38, Kentish Town Road, had an account there—this is our ledger, in which I find that on 22nd September, 1881, I paid a cheque for 20l. drawn by Newmann in favour of Schott; and another for 70l. on November 3rd; another for 40l. on November 11th; another for 190l. on November 16th; another for 77l. on November 18th; and another for 240l. on December 1st; that was the last cheque I cashed payable to Schott—they were all paid in bank notes, and I took some of the numbers of them on sheets of ruled foolscap kept for the purpose, of which this (produced) is a copy. (MR. LYNCH objected to the admission of this evidence and it was postponed.) I paid the cheque for 240l. myself, and to the best of my belief to the prisoner—this letter is in Newman's writing. (This was written in German and was found on the prisoner. It stated: "My dear

Rudolph,—I beg to introduce the bearer of this letter, J. Picard. Should he require any service do it for my sake; do it for him, as he has been of use to me in many ways. ")

Cross-examined. I can read German—Newman filled up his cheques in English—I have never seen any of his German writing—I simply swear to the signature of this letter—the cheques were all open ones to bearer.

THOMAS GREET (Detective Sergeant G). I searched the prisoner's overcoat at the station, and found these three letters, and in his travelling bag a cigar box, 250l. in gold, 17 twentyfranc pieces, a Sardinian coin marked eighty francs, and tins bundle of invoices.

JOHN FREDERICK LONG . I am a cashier at the Islington branch of the London and County Bank—Schott had an account there—I produce a copy of it from November 1st to February, 1882—on December 1st, 1881, the balance to his credit was 28l. 12s., and on December 5th, we paid 22l. on his account—on 18th November he drew a cheque to self for 450l., which was paid with nine 50l. Bank of England notes, Nos. 87160 to 87168. (Twelve cheques for amounts varying from 12l. 10s. to 206l. were handed to the witness.) The whole of these are signed by the prisoner, and were dishonoured on presentation—this bill of exchange (For 65l. 10s. 5d.) was presented when due, and dishonoured—I have no doubt that all these invoices (Signed, "Received with thanks, Morris Schott ") are in the prisoner's writing.

Cross-examined. All these cheques came from abroad except one presented by Mr. Castelberg—we did not give Schott notice that his account was closed—the bill was due on 7th January—I do not know whether he was in custody then—the account was closed on January 18th by order of the trustee—the balance then was 6l. 12s.—the last amount paid in was 190l. on 16th November.

THOMAS BOLTER . I live at 9, Spencer Street, Clerkenwell—the prisoner rented my front parlour and carried on the business of a wholesale watch importer from the beginning of August to the end of November—he did not live there—he went to Switzerland to buy goods about the beginning of November, and asked me to pay the carriage of anything which arrived—during his absence three or four oases arrived for him from abroad on two different days, and I paid the carriage—his man Petersen came to my office for the money—while Schott was away Petersen always left the key with me—on the day the goods arrived Petersen gave me the key of the safe, and next morning, at 8.30, before Petersen arrived, Schott came in a Hansom's cab, which he discharged and sent for a fourwheeler—I gave him the key of the safe—he said that he had been to Switzerland to buy goods, and had telegraphed to one of his brother's customers, and was going to take the goods to show him—he opened the safe, which was full of cardboard boxes about six inches long, which they always put watches in, half a dozen at a time—he put them into three large wooden boxes and he and the cabman put them into the cab, and then locked the safe and drove off about 9 o'clock—he came back about 6.30 p. m.—during his absence a box and a brownpaper parcel arrived, and I paid 1l. 0s. 8d. carriage—Petersen took possession of them—Schott paid me 4l. 0s. 8d. which I had paid for carriage, and said that he must go to Liverpool, but should be back on Saturday morning—this was Thursday night, December 1st

—he asked me for a time table, but I had not got one—he came back about 9.10 p. m., and said; that he had forgotten something, and went into his office again—he had a fourwheel cab at the door and took a portmanteau away with him—I did not see the box or the brownpaper parcels afterwards—he said he should be back about 11 o'clock on Saturday morning—he never came back—he wore a beard and moustache when he went away the same as he does now—he owed me two or three weeks' rent at 7s. a week when he left, but that has been paid since.

Cross-examined. I said at the policecourt "When he shaved his chin it was two months before he left my office," but it grew again—I remember it because he got a severe cold through shaving—I did not see a roll of bank notes in the safe.

EMMA SUFFIELD . I am bookkeeper at the Holborn Viaduct Hotelthis (produced) is the book in which visitors enter their names—I saw the prisoner there at the end of November or December 1st, and saw him sign the book" M. Picard, Geneva; Room 110. "

Cross-examined. He had all his meals in his bedroom—we do not let rooms unless persons sign the book—he had a beard when I let him the room.

JOHN FREDERICK LONG (Re-examined). This "J. Picard Geneva" has the same character as the defendant's writing, but it is very badly written, and I will not swear to it.

SARAH RICHARDSON . I am the landlady of 8, Duncan Terrace, Islington—the defendant occupied a bed and sittingroom there for three weeks, and left on December 1st without notice—he said he was going across the Channel, but should be back the next afternoon, and asked me to have a fire alight for him—he took a clothes box with him—he only left a few old clothes, which he told me to give away—he did not pay his rent—I did not see him again till he was in custody.

Cross-examined. He left on Thursday about 7.30 p. m.—I have said "I am not sure he said that he was going across the Channel"—I am sure he mentioned the Channel.

Re-examined. He did not tell me he was going to the Holborn Viaduct Hotel to live under the name of Picard.

RICHAD PORTER . I drive a Hansom's cab, badge 13,569, and live at 9, Sebbons Place, Islington—I know the defendant well and have carried him a good many times—on a Thursday in November I believe, at a quarter to 9 a. m., I took him up at 8, Duncan Terrace—he had ordered me—I went into his room, and helped to pack up 24 cardboard boxes like collar boxes—one or two were open, and I saw a watch inside—the others were tied with tape—I put them on the seat of the cab, and drove him to his office, 9, Spencer Street—he went in, and brought out some similar boxes and put into the cab, and I put some in—I then drove him to Mr. Newman's, 38, Kentish Town Road, and all the boxes were taken in there—I then drove him to a bank in Coventry Street—I was at the policecourt when Newman gave his evidence.

Cross-examined. I only know Newman by seeing him at Clerkenwell—I never saw him at Kentish Town Road—I heard his landlady examined, but cannot say whether she swore that there were several persons in the house besides him—I often drove Schott, but he has had other cabs.

Re-examined. I have driven him to 38, Kentish Town Eoad seven or eight times, and he once took some cardboard boxes, and left them there

—he went there in November sometimes twice and sometimes three times a week, and he used to go away for a fortnight, and come back again—I have also driven him to 1, Australian Avenue, a very large foreign warehouse—Newman gave his address at the policecourt, 38, Kentish Town Road.

SELINA MITCHELL . I am landlady of 38, Kentish Town Road—Mr. Aaronson Newman has occupied the drawingroom floor five years in July—he is a dealer in jewellery—I last saw him on 22nd or 23rd January—he said that he was going away for a short time, and has never been back—I received a note from him, which is not here—I am still keeping the rooms for him—his drawers are locked up; I don't know what is in them—he paid me up to Christmas.

Cross-examined. The note is at home—I showed it to a gentleman who brought some papers for him, but not to the gentleman from the Treasury—I am very nearsighted, and don't know one person from another.

THOMAS VICTOR MADDOCK . I am hairdresser at the Holborn Viaduct Hotel—I remember Schott staying there—I shaved him quite clean on the day on which he was subsequently arrested—before that he had whiskers and moustache as he has now—I did not know his name.

PAUL WILHELM PETERSEN . I was in the defendant's employ for a few months in 1871—I remember his going to Switzerland towards the end of December—while he was away four long boxes of watches came—Mr. Boulter paid the carriage and I unpacked them, but did not open them—I have not the slightest doubt that they contained watches, and put them into the safe where I had often put watches—I swore in my affidavit "I placed the contents, which were watches, in the safe on the said premises," but I did not open the, boxes—another box came afterwards from Switzerland addressed to "Mr. Schott—I did not unpack it, but put it bodily into the safe—the four boxes were cleared away before I saw Mr. Schott—he came for them one morning before I got there, and I saw him afterwards and he told me he had taken them away, and that he was going to Liverpool, where he had a customer, but should be back on Saturday—that same evening he placed in the safe a large roll of banknotes, among which I noticed some for 100l. and some for 50l.—he never came back, and I never heard from him—he took the key of the safe with him—I have seen Newman perhaps a dozen times at 9, Spencer Street, in October and November, buying watched—he came there about the time I was there, but I never saw him after Mr. Schott went away on 1st December—this (produced) is one of Schott's books—I am a watchmaker, and had nothing to do with the bookkeeping—this name of Newman in the index looks like Schott's writing; I believe it is, but I cannot swear to it—it is not mine—I went with the solicitor's clerk to Schott's lodging, and the landlord gave him some papers, and a book which I did not identify—I cannot say whether I told him that they were Schott's books—I always saw the books in the safe, but I never opened them—I have told you all through that these are the books—this memorandumbook is mine; I put down everything in it, and I see here that Mr. Newmann called on Thursday, 24th November.

Cross-examined. Shortly before Schott went to Switzerland Mr. Bouliôte Came to Spencer Street with 49 gold watches, and asked me to give them to Mr. Schott—I did not count them—there was a long list of them on an approbation note—Schott had dealings with many other persons besides

Newman—he told me that he did shipping business—he was in the habit of going to Switzerland to buy watches and was away frequently—I knew when watches came from Switzerland by the Custom House marks outside the boxes—Schott was sometimes in the habit of shaving—he told me that he had a banking account in Switzerland—the goods Mr. Boulter paid carriage for were from Switzerland.

JOSEPH WAKEFIELD (Detective Sergeant G). I received a warrant for the prisoner's apprehension, and went to Spencer Street and Duncan Terrace, but could not find him—I received information, went to the Holborn Viaduct Hotel, ascertained the number of his room, and found the prisoner close shaved and his hair cut—I said good evening, Mr. Schott"—he said" That is not my name"—I said" What is your name?" he said" Picard"—Sergeanl Greet, who was with me, said" Take off your gloves"—ho took off his right glove, and on his little finger I saw a diamond ring, which had been described to me—I said "I hold a warrant for your apprehension for stealing 49 gold watches of Mr. Bouliôte, 119, St. John Street Road"—he said "I did not steal them, he gave them to me on approbation—I took him to the station and found in his trousers pocket behind 740l. in notes, in fact he took them out himself—I also found a watch, a diamond ring, a. threefranc piece, and some coppers—I received a portmanteau from the porter—I gave the notes to Mr. Hasluck.

Cross-examined. There were two or three hearings before the Magistrate, and the charge was withdrawn—he was then taken by an officer of the Bankruptcy Court.

THOMAS GREET (Re-examined). I found in the prisoner's coat this letter W and this letter Y in an envelope addressed to Mrs. L. E. Schott; also two others—this one is to his mother—I found in a cigar box in his valise 250l. in gold and the Sardinian gold coin—I handed them all to the trustee—I brought from the hotel two boxes and a travelling bag containing several new suits of clothes packed ready for removal, also some tools.

Cross-examined. These papers (produced) resemble the bundle of invoices which I handed to the trustee, but it is four months ago—one is a cheque signed "Morris Schott. "

By MR. GRAIN.' When you handed me the bundle this morning done up without the cheque, I was of opinion that they were the papers I found in the defendant's box.

LAURENCE HASLUCK . I am a chartered accountant, and am the trustee of the defendant's estate—I saw these invoices in his trunk at the station and identify them; they have been exhibited all the way through and have been in my possession ever since—they are marked by Mr. Pepys, the Registrar—I went to 9, Spencer Street, to take possession—I was then receiver—I only found a few watches out of repair there, which were not his—I found two marble clocks and some similar books to this little memorandum book and this letter book torn as it is now—I have seen the name of Newman in the index—the press copy letters appear to have all been torn out—I have not torn any letters out of it; it was so when I took possession of it—I went to 31, Kentish Town Road, shortly after 9th December, and saw Newman; I showed him an order I had got from the Bankruptcy Court permitting me to inspect certain watches alleged to belong to the bankrupt—I saw about 300 watches and took the

numbers of them—he said that he had very many transactions with Schott, and to a large amount—I asked if he could show me any record of them—he said "No," he kept no books—I asked whether he had any invoices relating to those transactions—he said he had some receipts, which he would hand to me next day, but he did not do so—these invoices were obtained from Newman's solicitor after he absconded—I have compared the numbers on the invoices found in the defendant's box with the numbers of the watches I saw at Newman's, and they correspond, and Newman admitted that they were Schott's watches—as far as I know his indebtedness is nearly 3,000l.; there is no estate which he has given up—after the order was made by the Court a warrant was granted for Newman's apprehension and placed in Mozer's hands—I have got an injunction restraining Newman from parting with the watches—I have not been able to get into his premises, but have not got the watches—we have never been able to find Newman—I received the bank notes and gold from Wakefield—I took the numbers of all the notes found on him—this is the paper (producta)—I made a report to the Bankruptcy Court, upon which they ordered this prosecution.

Cross-examined. I have declared a dividend of 4s. in the pound from the estate, and I hope to pay another shilling—there are diamonds and watches, but there are costs too—the notes and gold come to about 1,000l.—the safe has been sold.

Re-examined. The costs of the prosecution are paid by the Crown—I do not know the amount of the claims yet; I am getting proofs every week.

MORRIS MOZER (Inspector, Scotland Yard). About 28th January I received warrants for the prisoner and. Newman—I took Schott at Holloway Gaol on the civil side—he was detained by the Bankruptcy Court—I had two warrants against him—I read them, and he said "I am guilty of having done wrong; I did it out of inexperience, and did not intend to harm any one"—I have known Newman three years; I saw him about a week previous to my receiving the warrant, selling a lot of watches in a café, a thieves' den, which is well known to the police, and is under observation from Scotland Yard; we go daily there, and I have made several apprehensions there—I went there with the warrant on the day I obtainea it, but could not catch sight of Newman—I cannot find him in this country.

Cross-examined. I cautioned Schott before he made the statement—he made it going down the road—he said that he felt very faint, and would like a glass of brandy; we stopped at a publichouse, and I cautioned him again in there, but I think he had made the statement before that.

Upon MR. GRAIN proposing to put in the notes of the bankrupt's examination, MR. LYNCH submitted that they were inadmissible as evidence, on the ground that he had not been summoned by the Bankruptcy Court pursuant to Sec. 96 of the Bankruptcy Act of 1869, for the purpose of giving information respecting his trade, dealings, or property; that he had not been tendered a reasonable sum for so coming, and that he had not refused to come before the Court at the time appointed, or refused to produce documents, but that without fulfilment of such conditions he was (being under duress) brought before the Court by warrant, and examined touching his trade, dealings, and poperty. MR. GRAIN contended that as the Court had the bankrupt in custody it was not necessary to order him to attend, but only to order the Governor of the

Gaol to bring him up, therefore that no process of the Court was waived, there being none. The COURT, having consulted the RECORDER, admitted the notes, and declined to reserve the point. MR. GRAIN then tendered the copy of the note sheets kept at the bank, but the COURT considered that the Act applied to the bank "books "only, and refused to admit a copy of the sheets.

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

FOURTH COURT.—Friday, March 31st, 1882.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

437. GEORGE KNEE (21), ALEXANDER MOORE (23), GEORGE BAKER (18) and JOHN EMERY (21) , Robbery with violence on Elizabeth Stoddart, and stealing from her 36l. Second Count, charging Baker with receiving.

MR. CROUCH Prosecuted; MR. KEITH FRITH defended Moore. ELIZABETH STODDART. I am the wife of George Stoddart, of 1, Ormond Terrace, Regents Park—on 27th February last I was in Portland Place about 3 o'clock in the afternoon, going towards" Regent Street, carrying my purse in my hand—there were seven 5l. notes, one pound in gold, one halfsovereign, and some silver in it—I had crossed one of the streets in Portland Place, and at the corner of Duchess Street I noticed a young man who looked at me very ferociously—I do not recognise him here—when I had passed Duchess Street this young man sprang forward, and he had scarcely done so before I was thrown down on the pavement, I don't know how—I was not struck—I was not insensible, and speedily got up—there appeared to be several young men, who ran off after my purse was taken from me—I don't know who took my purse; I think it was the young man I had seen first—I went after them immediately as fast as I could—I did not see what became of them—I do not recognise any of the prisoners—I don't know which street I went down after the young men—I think I passed the Portland Hotel—I don't know if it was a street towards Portland Road.

ELIZABETH GILL . I live at 61, York Street, Westminster, and sweep a crossing at Duchess Street, at the corner of Portland Place—on 27th February last, about 3 o'clock in the day, I saw three young men standing there—Knee and Moore are two of them—I don't recognise either of the others—one of them took the lady round the waist, turned her round, and threw her down, and as soon as he had done so ran offhe might have taken her purse, because she was carrying it in her hand—the lady had passed me before I saw the young men—two or three shillings and some coppers dropped, and the other two young men stooped to pick them up, and then made off also—all three went up Duchess Street towards Portland Street—the one that took the purse ran, and I believe the others did till they got round the corner—I saw nothing more of them till the policeman came, and I was taken to the station and asked to pick out the young men, and I picked out the two—I dare say there were six or seven young men at the station—the one that knocked the lady down had a dark straight coat on that came to about his knees—when I saw him at the station he was in his shirtsleeves.

Cross-examined by Knee. I believe you to be the man—I picked you

out at Marlborough Street—I picked out three there, but two I believe were the actual men, and I believe you are the one I picked out right.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. Only one man robbed the lady; the one I picked out in the shirtsleeves.

EDWARD CARTWRIGHT . I am a cab driver of Freeling Street, Caledonian Road—on 27th February I was in Duke Street with my cab on the stand, opposite the Devonshire publichouse—Duchess Street joins Duke Street and Portland Street—I was standing talking to a man named Thorn between 2.30 and 3 o'clock, when my attention was called by Thorn to three young men passing up Duke Street towards Duchess Street—I saw them turn round Duchess Street to the left towards Portland Place—Knee was one of them—about a quarter of an hour afterwards I saw the same three return running—I cannot swear to the others—I am almost positive they were the same I had seen before—Knee had a dark coat on—I can't say exactly what sort of coat; I should think it was a medium length—on 7th March I was taken to the policestation, and I picked out Knee from eight others.

WILLIAM THORN . I live at 35, George Street, Great Portland Street, and am a farrier—on the afternoon of 27th February I was talking to Cartwright in Duke Street, and I noticed Knee, Emery, and Baker walking together and turning round into Duchess Street—about 25 minutes afterwards I saw them again, running as fast as they could go away from Duchess Street—they were the same three as I had seen before—Knee was running first.

Cross-examined by Emery. I picked you out at the policecourt—the Magistrate did not set me down twice and refuse to take my evidencehe did take it.

Cross-examined by Baker. I could not swear to you at first; I could afterwards.

WILLIAM HINDMARSH (Policeman E 98). On 27th February last I was on duty in Portland Place—about 3.15 I received some information, in consequence of which I went in search of the prisoners—in Foley Street I saw 17 lads parting some money—Emery, Baker, Moore, and Knee were some of them—when they saw me they ran away into Union Street—I turned back in the opposite direction—nine of them, four of whom were the prisoners, went into the King's Head publichouse in Great Tichfield Street—I got the assistance of another constable, and went in and found Moore, Baker, Knee, and Emery in there—I told Knee I was going to take him into custody for knocking down a lady in Portland Place and robbing her of 35l—he said "All right, I will go quiet"—I pointed out another man to the constable with me, and he took Emery into custody—one of them passed 4l. to Baker, and Knee attempted to pass 2l. and a pair of gold earrings to Moore—neither Moore nor Baker was in custody—when Knee was going to pass the money I knocked it out of his hand and stooped to pics it up, and Knee made his escape—I gave chase down Wales Street into Mortimer Street—he jumped down an area at 12, Mortimer Street, and I jumped after him—I hurt my elbow and lay quiet—the prisoner went into a dark cellar, and I went after him—he got behind a box, came round after me, and gave me a kick in the side—I got hold of him, and Chinnery came to my assistance—I was then being thrown and kicked by him—we got him into the street—I was shown a number of young men

at the policestation at 8 or 9 o'clock that night, and I identified Moore and Baker.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. I am not aware that Moore has got whiskers—I don't know if he has a moustache—I can describe his clothes—he had a light coat on—I saw Knee take 2l. from his pocket and attempt to pass it to Moore; that was outside the publichouse on the way to the station—I said before the Magistrate "Last night I picked out Moore from eight or ten others as the person to whom Knee passed the money"—that was not right.

Cross-examined by Emery. I knocked the earring and money out of Knee's hand—I was seven yards behind you.

ELIZABETH STODDART (Recalled). There was only one sovereign in the purse as far as I recollect.

HENRY CHINNERY (Policeman E 203). On 27th February Hindmarsh came and made a communication to me, and in consequence I went to a publichouse in Great Tichfield Street—Emery was pointed out to me, and I took him into custody—I told him when I got him outside I wanted him—he said "All right, I will go"—Hindmarsh had got the other man in custody; he was following me out—I did not see what took place between Knee and Hindmarsh—as I was taking Emery to the station there was some money passed from him to Baker, and I was thrown down, and the prisoner taken from my custody—Baker sprang upon me, but I can't say who threw me down—I could not see who else attacked me—there might have been over 20 about me then—I afterwards picked up 7s. 6d. in the gutter—I subsequently went and assisted the other constable in taking Knee into custody—the same evening I saw Baker in Well Street; I took him into custody, and charged him.

SAMUEL HAYNES (Policeman 38 E R). On 28th February, about 7.30, I went with Sergeant Brown to take Moore into custody—Brown told him it was for stealing a purse from a lady in Portland Place—he said "If I had been b—well at work I should not have been at work in this b job. "

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. I will not pledge myself to the exact words.

----BROWN (Police Sergeant E). I went with Haynes to arrest Moore—I told him the charge—he said "If I had b—well been at work today I should have been out of this b mess. "

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH.' I have known Moore eight or ten years—he is a hard working lad, not known to the police as a thief, but as an honest, hard working lad—he is the sole support of his mother who is a widow—she is here today, I believe.

MICHAEL CRAWFORD (Policeman E 42). On 28th February the prisoner Emery came to me at the policestation Tottenham Court Road—he said "I come to claim some money"—I said "What money?"—he said "To tell you the truth I got in a row with some other fellows, and I dropped some money, which the police picked up; I must admit assaulting the police"—I said "I must detain you for an inquiry"—I got 12 people out of the street, and sent for Chinnery and Hindmarsh, who picked him out without hesitation.

Cross-examined by Emery. They did not say "Are you the man I had in the kitchen?"

The Prisoners' Statements before the Magistrate. Moore says: "I was at home at 2.30, and did not come out till 5 o'clock." Emery says: "I know nothing about the thieving. I met Knee and Baker at the corner of Union

Street. I asked Knee if he was at work; he said he finished up on Saturday. I asked him to have a drink, and we went in and had a pipe, and the policeman caught hold of me. I dropped two sovereigns and a pair of earrings and 1s. I bought the earrings at the corner of Union and Cleveland Streets for 1s. My father gave me 3l. to go out and buy some things. "

Witness for Moore.

MATILDA MOORE . I am a widow, and live at 32, Clarendon Square—the prisoner Moore is my son—on Monday, 27th February, he went out in the morning about 11 o'clock, and fetched me some tea from King's Cross—he came home about 12 o'clock, and did not go out till after 5 o'clock in the afternoon—he is my sole support, and is a good son—he brings all his money home, and that is all I have.

Cross-examined. He works at Mr. Burke's Mineral Water Manufactory—he has been there three years—he had not been to work that morning; he suffers with his chest and head—I was indoors in my room all that day, except when I went downstairs to get some water—he was in the same room with me—Clarendon Square is a great way from Portland Place—it is between the Great Northern and Midland Stations.

Re-examined. My lad's employer, Mr. Burke, has been here for several days—he is not here today.

----BROWN (Police Sergeant E) (Recalled). I have known him asworking for Mr. Burke—I saw Mr. Burke here one day.


BAKER— GUILTY of receiving.—Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

The Jury proposed to find

EMERY GUILTY of receiving, but as there was no count charging him with receiving, the Court directed a verdict of NOT GUILTY .


He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony on 6th December, 1880, at Glerkenwell.— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

The Court directed a reward of 5l. to be given to Constable Hindmarsh for his bravery on this occasion.

438. JOHN AUSTERS (23), FRANCIS DARNELL (29), and ALFRED ARCHER (18) , Burglary in the dwellinghouse of Frederick William Keates, and stealing 15 drawers, 9 night dresses, chemises, and other articles, his property. Second Count, for receiving.

MR. SANDERS Prosecuted.

ALBERT FRENCH (Policeman K 253). On the morning of 21st March I was on duty with three other constables in the Fairfield Road, Bow, about 6.20 we saw the prisoners pass by the top of the road, in the Tredegar Road—each had a bundle—we followed them running and walking—they threw the bundles down and ran away; we caught them—I caught Austers—he said "You have made a mistake"—he had a chemise and pair of ladies' drawers on him, the chemise between his waistcoat and shirt, and tho drawers between his shirt and body—Fairfield Road is about a mile from Francis Terrace—they were going from there towards Bethnal Green.

WILLIAM PHILLIPS (Policeman K 68). I was with the last witness when we first saw the prisoners they were passing by the end of the Tredegar Road—we were in Fairfield Road—we went after them; they were each carrying a bundle—when they found they were pursued they

dropped the bundles, and ran—I caught Darnell; he got away, and I caught him again; he said "lam ruined. "

Cross-examined by Darnell. You gave me the address of your employers, and said you had worked for the father and two sons for 18 or 20 years up till a fortnight ago, and you asked me to go and see if you had not been in their employ, and I found you had worked there till within four weeks since, and that you had only worked for a fortnight then; you could have been at work there now if you liked.

JAMES BUCKINGHAM (Policeman K 395). I was with the last witness in the Fairfield Road on 21st March—I saw the prisoners—we ran after them, and I caught Archer—I saw him drop a bundle—he did not say anything.

FREDERICK WILLIAM KEATS . I live at 54, Francis Terrace, Victoria Park—on the night of 20th March I went to bed about 11 o'clock; I saw the house was quite safe—I did not look at the window of the breakfastroom, but it is a window which is never opened—next morning I got up at 7 o'clock—I found the breakfastroom window open—I missed a great quantity of clothing from a chest of drawers in the room—in the area I saw an umbrella and the cover of my perambulator and a child's shirt—the night before the umbrella was in the room, and the perambulator cover was on one of the drawers—I went to the police—I saw a quantity of my property at the policestation—this (produced) is it.

The Prisoners' Statements before the Magistrate were read as follows:—Austere says; "We were at the back of the park, and we saw an umbrella at the top of the steps, and when we went in there were the three bundles and the rug and the reins lying on the steps, and we picked up one each, and came away with them." Darnell says: " On Monday morning I went to the publichouse, and then stopped with a friend till 3 o'clock in the morning. I met these men, and went walking with them, and we saw the umbrella, and we walked in and saw the bundles, and we hesitated some time, and then took them. We thought of throwing them away. I saw the constables, and dropped my bundle, and ran too. "

Darnell's Defence. That is quite correct.


AUSTERS PLEADED GUILTY to a previous conviction of felony on 5th September, 1881.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour each. There were two other indictments against the prisoners.

439. CHARLES DUKE (20) and THOMAS O'DONNELL (18) , Robbery with violence on Arthur Benfield, and stealing a pair of curtains, a pair of stays, two silk neckties, and 4d .

MR. NORTH Prosecuted.

ARTHUR BENFIELD . I live in Ebenezer Road, Hendon—on the night of 21st March, about 12 o'clock, I went into a publichouse near the Edgware Road Station—I had some drink with a woman there—the two prisoners came in—I gave them 1 1/2 d. of rum, and was leaving the house when O'Donnell put his fingers into the ticket pocket of this coat—there were only a few halfpence there—I said "Don't do that"—the other prisoner said" Oh, all right"—I got a punch on the back from Duke—I had a parcel under my arm containing a pair of white curtains, a pair of stays, and two silk neckties—I lost the parcel—O'Donnell took it—I won't swear that he did, but I believe he was the one I saw with it—I also lost a new brown hat—the prisoners ran up the

street—I then went towards the station, and I saw O'Donnell—I saw a constable, and told him what had happened, and while we were talking two more constables came up; we went to the publichouse, and to the corner I had seen O'Donnell at, and we saw Duke—the constable took him, and was just going away with him when the other prisoner came up and tried to put a hat on his head—I said "He is one, follow him"—I went after him, but did not catch him, and he went into a house, and a policeman caught him—as he was running he threw away the parcel—the curtains and pair of stays were in it—this is it (produced)—I gave it to the policeman—I afterwards identified O'Donnell.

Cross-examined by O'Donnell. You dropped the parcel as you were running along the street, about half a dozen yards from where I started to pursue you.

DAVID WEST (Policeman W 160). At 12.15 on the night of 21st March I was in Chapel Street, near the Edgware Road—I saw the prosecutor there—he made a communication to me in consequence of which I apprehended Duke in the presence of the prosecutor—he identified him—on my way to the station with Duke, O'Donnell was walking behind with a hat in his hand—Duke had no hat, and when we passed Lisson Street O'Donnell placed the hat on Duke's head—O'Donnell had a parcel under his left arm—I called the prosecutor's attention to it, and told him to take hold of him—O'Donnell ran away, and the prosecutor followed him; he was stopped by Clark.

RICHAED CLARK (Policeman WR 30). On the night of 21st March, at 12.30, I saw the prisoner O'Donnell running away, and the prosecutor following him—I apprehended him—the prosecutor handed me this parcel, and told me O'Donnell had snatched it from him, and had run away.

The Prisoners' Statements before the 'Magistrate. Duke says: "The complainant came into the publichouse with a prostitute. They joined with me to have a drink. O'Donnell came in. The prosecutor had lost his parcel. He came up to me and said, 'I have lost my parcel.' I said, 'I can't help that,' and goes out of the house to Chapel Street Station; then the complainant gave me into custody. I had had some drink at the time; that is all I have to say." O'Donnell: "I don't wish to say anything. "

ARTHUR BENFIELD (Recalled and examined by the COURT). I went into the house with a woman—I don't know if she was a prostitute—she followed me in, and then asked me if I would treat her to a drink—we did not afterwards toss for drink—we had no quarrel with the prisoners or with the other people—I treated them to 1 1/2 d. of rum because I thought they wanted to have a bother, and I did not want to have a row—they came in the house as I came in.


440. THOMAS BROWN (31) , Unlawfully conspiring with another person to obtain 16l. from Joseph Sanderson by false pretences.

MR. HORACE AVORY Prosecuted; MR. PURCELL Defended.

JOSEPH SANDERSON . I keep a lodginghouse at 47, Half Moon Street, Piccadilly—last summer I went to Windsor Races with a friend and missed him—while on the course a tall man, whom I had never seen before, got into conversation with me, and while I was talking to him a short man came up who said he was a jockey; the short man went off to make some bets for the tall one, and just as he was going the tall'

one asked if I would have half of it—I said, "I have not come to do anything of the kind"—he said, "Haye 5l."—I declined—he said, "You had better have 3l.; it is a 10 to 1 chance," and I was overcome, and consented to have the 3l.—I did not know what race it was—the short man came back presently and said he had lost; the next race he went away again to bet in a similar manner and for the same amount, and when he came back said the money was lost, and I paid the two 3l., 6l. altogether, to the tall one—he pretended to pay the short one—on the next race they said I must have some more, and they came back to say I had won 5l.; they did not give me the 5l—at the next race they said I had better have some more on, and I should go home a winner—I said I did not want it, but they went away and came back, and said I had lost 10l., so that I was 5l. to the bad, and by the time we left the course they told me I owed them 14l.—I gave them my address, 47, Half Moon Street, and the tall one came several times about two months after the race, and said I owed him 9l., but I settled it by giving him 5l.—two men whom I never saw before were with him then; the short one was not, but I paid it by the short man's authority, and understood the whole matter was settled—the next I heard was on 19th January, on a Thursday, I think; the prisoner came with the same short man to my house, and asked if Mr. Sanderson was in—I said, "Yes, I am"—the prisoner said, "There is a gentleman out here wants to speak to you"—as soon as he saw me the short man ran up to me and said, "When are you going to pay me this 16l."—that was the first I had heard of any 16l.—I said, "I don't owe it"—he said, "Yes you do"—I said, "I have paid your friend with whom you made the arrangement I was to pay; I never wanted any bets"—he said," Yes; but you do owe it for commission"—I never heard of any commission before for putting money on the horses at Windsor—I wanted to get them away from the house, so we went to Stevens's publichouse, where I knew two or three men—I saw Mr. Hawkins there—he said," I will go down and speak to them"—he saw them—I paid no money on that day—when I said I would not pay it the short one said I should have to pay it—Hawkins got them away—I heard they had been to my house several times on—Saturday, 21st, I saw the prisoner and the short man again at Stevens's, in the billiardroom—I went with Wynn to have dinner—the short man came up first and the prisoner behind—the prisoner said," If I were you I would knock his b——head off"—on the previous Thursday, as we were going round to the publichouse, the prisoner said part of the 16l. was his, and "Don't be in a hurry to pay"—when he made use of the expression about knocking my head off, I got Mr. Wynn and Mr. Hawkins to go for the police as soon as I got an opportunity—as soon as they went out of the room I left the room, and the prisoner and the short man followed me into the street and stood talking to me, but they went about a minute before the police came up—I made a communication to the police, and went to the policecourt and gota warrant—I have never seen either of the men since.

Cross-examined. I went to my solicitor, Mr. Abrahams, the first thing, and he appeared at the policecourt for me—between the day's outing and the time the prisoner came I had not seen the short man—the first time I met the prisoner was on a Thursday—I went a minute after he rang—I did not see him come up to the door—he said there was a gentle

man at the corner wanting me, and I went out, and the short man walked up—on that day the conversation was chiefly with the short man—the prisoner only joined in with him—the prisoner said half of the money belonged to him, and "Mr. Sanderson will pay you"—I will swear he said that on Thursday—I told the Magistrate so the second or third time—I forgot to tell my solicitor that; I did not think it was necessary on the first occasion—I said, "I did not hear the prisoner ask me for any money; all the conversation took place between me and the other man"—that is quite true—he did not say "Part of the money which you owe the short man the short man owes to me"—he said part of the money belonged to him—I said that part of the 16l. belonged to the short man, and the short man owed him money—that is the same as what I have said—the conversation was carried on at the publichouse about the money—the prisoner helped the short man, saying that I ought to pay it and so on—on 21st January the short man said he would be paid, and also he would pay me—the prisoner said if he was the other one he would knock my b——head off and hit me under the ear—all the time the short man was clamouring to me to pay him his debt—I said, "I do not owe it; I paid your friend, and I shall not pay another 1/2 d., and I never wished to bet at all"—it is the first time I have ever done any betting.

Re-examined. The prisoner used the expression in a threatening way; it was on account of that and of their coming to the house on the Thursday and Friday that I sent for the police.

JANE DOWSING . I am housemaid at 47, Half Moon Street—on Thursday morning, 19th January, the prisoner came with a short man to the house twice—Mr. Sanderson, my master, was not in either time—they came four times on the Friday and Mr. Sanderson was not at home—they came again on the Saturday; I did not open the door to them then.

Cross-examined. The short man was with the prisoner on all occasions, and he came to the door and asked for Mr. Sanderson—the prisoner was not on the doorstep, he was waiting outside—on no occasion did the prisoner ask for Mr. Sanderson.

CHARLES WYNNE . I am a tailor, of 13, Shepherd's Market—on Saturday, 21st January, I was in the King's Arms, kept by Mr. Stevens, with Mr. Sanderson, when the prisoner came in with a short man, who asked Mr. Sanderson about the payment of some money he was supposed to owe him—he said, "You haven't been wasting my time much, have you? I have been after you, and you have made promises and have not fulfilled them"—Mr. Sanderson said, "I know nothing about you; I do not owe you any money"—the prisoner was amusing himself at the billiardboard—he chimed in and said to his friend," What is it you want to deal with such men as him for? if it was my case I would give him a thump under the ear"—I went for a policeman, and came back with one in 20 minutes or a quarter of an hour—both the prisoners were gone then.

Cross-examined. The short man commenced the conversation—the prisoner followed him in—there was no wrangle—he demanded the money once—there might have been a few words about it—it did not last more than five minutes.

JAMES O'DEA (Detective Officer C). I received a warrant for the apprehension of the prisoner and another man on 23rd January—on that day I went to the Criterion and saw the prisoner there about 8.30 p. m.—I

called him outside, and Sanderson identified him—I told him I had a warrant for his arrest for attempting to obtain 16l. from Mr. Sanderson, of 47, Half Moon Street, Piccadilly, by threats and menaces—he said, "I met a friend last Friday, and he asked me to go down Piccadilly with him to a man to get some money from him"—I knew the short man before this transaction—he has not been in the neighbourhood since; I know where he lodged, but hare not been able to find him in his usual haunts since this—I did not get a description of the tall man—George Hawkins is dead; I have seen his body—I was present at the policecourt when he was examined; I heard him give his evidence in the presence of the prisoner, who was defended by Mr. Smyth, who Cross-examined Hawkins.

GEORGE HAWKINS'S deposition was then read as follows:" I am a valet, and live at the King's Arms. On 19th January Mr. Sanderson spoke to me, and I went to the bar with him, and saw there the prisoner and another man. I said, 'What is the bother?' Sanderson said, 'They want 16l. of me.' I said, 'You had better pay if you owe.' He said,'I do not owe.' The little man asked what the b hell it had to do with me. On the Saturday following I was in the King's Arms; I heard the little man say the prosecutor ought to pay him, he was wasting his time; the defendant said if it was his case he'd pull his ear. I went out to fetch a policeman; when I came back with the policeman the prisoner and the other had gone. "


441. THOMAS BROWN was again indicted for feloniously demanding 16l. of Sanderson with menaces, upon which MR. AVORY offered no evidence.


OLD COURT.—Saturday, April 1st, 1882.

Before Mr. Recorder.

442. CHARLES HOWARD (50) , Unlawfully attempting to obtain by false pretences from the Duke of Montrose, the Duke of Sutherland, and others, certain moneys, with intent to cheat and defraud.


HIS GRACE RONALD DUKE OF MONTROSE . I live at 96, Eaton Square, and at Buchanan Castle—about 13th December Ireceived a lotter which has since been destroyed; it was in the same handwriting as this one which I hold in my hand—I subsequently saw the prisoner, and he admitted to me that it was in his handwriting (This was a letter signed Hoovardo, dated London, January 19th, 1882, referring to a previous letter asking for an advance of 100l., and stating that 50l. would be a material sum, but 100l. would help him to weather the storm till October)—in his former letter, which was destroyed, he stated that he was Count Monti, and had taken his second title of Hoovardo because he was in difficulties, that he was my father's godson, and in consequence bore the name of Graham, and that he was in difficulties owing to his agent in Italy having disappeared with the rents—the day after I received another letter purporting to come from Napoli; it was apparently not in the same handwriting, but written at his instigation, I think, signed Rasponi—it was enclosed in another letter, which I tore up—I returned Rasponi's letter—the first letter was dated from Jersey—I afterwards had an interview with the

prisoner, when I gave him into custody—I never saw him before that—he said the letter from Jersey was sent by a mutual friend of his and my father's, Dr. Campbell, to be posted in London—in that letter he referred me to Mr. Fryer, a solicitor, of Coleford, Gloucestershire—this envelope was enclosed in the letter (This was addressed to "Mr. Fryer, solicitor, Coleford, Gloucestershire ")—I returned Rasponi's letter in the envelope he sent me—in the letter marked A there was a further letter from Rasponi, apparently in the same handwriting as the first letter alleged to come from Rasponi—that letter from Rasponi to the prisoner began "My Lord," and reference was made that money would come to him in October—I subsequently communicated with the Charity Organisation Society, and then wrote to the prisoner in the name of Hoovardo, care of Mr. Fryer, making an appointment to meet me on 1st October, and enclosing Rasponi's letter—I received this reply (This stated that the prisoner would call at the hour intimated)—the hour named by me was 7 o'clock; at that time he came to my house; the butler announced him as Count Hoovardo—two detectivos were waiting in an adjoining room—I asked him if he was Count Hoovardo—he said "I am—I asked him if he wrote me a letter, and he said he did—I asked him if he was my father's godson; he said he was—I asked him if he was in bad circumstances owing to his agent in Italy having bolted with the rents; he said he was—I asked him if he knew Mr. Fryer; he said he did—I asked him if he wrote the letter; he said "Yes"—I said, "I do not believe a word you say," and gave him into custody—he was a perfect stranger to me; I have no knowledge of my father having known Hoovardo or Monti—since he has been in prison I have received a letter from him—this is the letter I sent to him asking him to call. (Read: "The Puke of Montrose begs to return Count Hoovardo the enclosed letter, and regrets to see he is in such unfortunate circumstances. If the Count will call on him he will see what he can do for him. The Duke will be at home on Wednesday at 7 o'clock. ")

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. That letter was composed by myself, and was written to get you to come at the appointed hour and to hand you over to the police—when you came you called yourself the Count—I had previously communicated with the Charity Organisation Society, and they recommended me to write a letter of that description—I wrote to Mr. Fryer, stating that I had been referred to him by Count Hoovardo, and I should be obliged if he could tell me anything connected with him—his reply was that he was not personally acquainted with you, but that apparently your father had been a friend of his father's, and that you had written to him in a labyrinth of difficulties—I returned your letters because I did not think Mr. Fryer's answer good enough—I know nothing of Rasponi or Rosa, or anything of your antecedents—I cannot aver that Count Hoovardo is not a godson of my father's, or that he has not estates in Italy—I know nothing about him—you told me that you were the Count.

Re-examined. The first letter purported to come from Count Hoovardo from Jersey—the letter I showed to the prisoner, and which he said was his writing, had no address on it—the only address I had was "Count Hoovardo, care of Mr. Fryer, Coleford, Gloucestershire"—I did not know that he was living in lodgings at Knightsbridge.

By the JURY. I wrote to Mr. Fryer to ascertain if it was a true case of

distress—if it had been I should probably have done something different for him.

JOHN ROCHE DASENT . I am private secretary to Lord Spencer, and live at 26, Elverston Place—Lord Spencer lives at 27, St. James's Place; he is at present at Mentone—this letter was received by post by Lord Spencer and handed to me to answer. (This was signed " Hoovardo" and stated that the writer was the son of the late Count de Monti, that he was in great trouble through his agent Rosa having absconded with his funds, and requesting the loan of a few pounds; that he was godson to the Earl's father, who was intimately acquainted with the Count's father, and referring to Mr. Fryer as his solicitor.) Several other letters purporting to come from the same person were handed to me by Lord Spencer to answer, one was signed "Spencer C. Hovardo"—no money was obtained from Lord Spencer.

Cross-examined. Lord Spencer said that he knew of no godson of his father's of your name—I am not prepared to swear that there was no godson—I know nothing about it—I think all your letters were dated from St. Heliers, Jersey—you wrote a letter asking the Earl for an appointment.

HENRY WRIGHT . I am private secretary to the Duke of Sutherland—he lives at Stafford House, St. James's—I received these two letters (6 and 7) from the Duke; they came by consecutive posts about the day they bear date—I answered them—I did not keep a copy of my answers—no money was sent. (These were also sigued "Hoovardo" dated 9th and 10th December, from St. Heliers, and stated that the writer was the son of the late Marquis de Monti, and was the godson of the Duke's father, and bore the name of Gower, and requested the loan of a few pounds.)

Cross-examined. The Duke received those two letters and handed them to me—I don't know whether he read them, I don't think he did—I told him the contents, and he instructed me to reply regretting that he could not assist you—he said that he did not know the name, and knew nothing whatever of the writer; he believed it be an imposture—it is almost a daily occurrence receiving such letters—one letter was received the day before yesterday, a very long one—I sent it to Mr. Wontner—I know nothing about Count Hoovardo—I cannot aver that there is not such a person, or that he has not estates in Italy; I know nothing about it; I have made no inquiry.

Re-examined. The Duke's family name is Leveson Gower—the address on the letters was" St. Heliers, Jersey," with a reference to Mr. Fryer.

RICHARD GOMM . I am the chief officer of the Mendicity Society—I received this letter from Lord Leigh. (This was dated on 28 th December, and was signed "Leigh Howard," to the same effect as the former, alleging himself to be a godson of Lord Leigh's father, and requesting assistance.) The address given in the letter was 17, High Road, Knightsbridge—on 16th January I went to that address—I had been there several times to try and find the writer of this letter, but had not succeeded, but on that day I saw the prisoner—I showed him the letter and said "Do you remember writing this letter to Lord Leigh?" he said "Yes, I do"—I asked him if his name was Charles Leigh Howard, and asked him all the particulars mentioned in the letter, and he in substance repeated what is there stated.

ROBERT HOSKINS FRYER . I am a solicitor at Coleford, Gloucestershire,

and am Clerk to the Magistrates there—my father was clerk there before me—I do not know the prisoner—I never saw him till he was at the Westminster Policecourt—I received this letter, dated 8th September, 1881. (This requested the witness to act for him in recovering a sum of 3,000 francs due to him by the Countess Button.) I received several letters in the same handwriting, also a number of letters for Count Hoovardo, to my care, which I forwarded to the address he gave me, Charles Howard, 17, High Road, Knightsbridge, Brompton—I have no knowledge of the prisoner except what he told me in his letters—I do not know Dr. Campbell, or a place called Glenayr.

Cross-examined. I have the letter which the Duke of Montrose wrote to me asking me to inform him what I knew of you, and I wrote to ask you what you wished me to say, as I did not know anything about you—I do not believe I received a reply from you with full particulars of your case—I simply told the Duke that I was not acquainted with you, that I had never seen you, and I simply told him what you had stated to me—you never applied to me for any advance.

MATTHEW WYATT GUNNING . I am a clerk in the financial department of the War Office—in 1855 I knew the prisoner as Talbot Bouverie Cleveland Wilmot—he was a temporary clerk in the War Office from 1855 to 1858—I am acquainted with his handwriting—to the best of my belief these letters signed "Hoovardo" are in his handwriting—on 27th February, 1864, I was present at Ennis, in Ireland, when he was tried and convicted on two indictments for fraud in the name of Wilmot, and sentenced to nine months on one indictment and three on the other—I was also present in 1876 when he was tried and convicted at this Court and sentenced to five years' penal servitude and five years' police supervision—to the best of my belief all the letters produced are in his handwriting.

Cross-examined. I last saw you write in 1856—yours is a peculiar hand—I should be sorry to swear to it—I only speak to the best of my belief.

PERCY NEAME . I am Chief Inspector in the Convict Office, Great Scotland Yard—I know the prisoner—I produce a certificate of his conviction at this Court on 23rd October, 1876, in the name of Charles Howard, alias F. C. Judford, for unlawfully obtaining by false pretences 380l.—he was sentenced by Mr. Justice Lush to five years' penal servitude and five years' police supervision—I was not present at his trial—he was released from Millbank from that sentence on 22nd October last—on 3rd November he was apprehended for not reporting himself, and he then had one month's imprisonment—he came out on 3rd December.

Cross-examined. You have said you had a strong desire to get employment—I gave you introductions to Mr. Wheatley and Mr. Hill—you have seen me four or five times at my office and expressed your desire to get employment—you told me the straits to which you were reduced—if I had not believed you I should not have given you 10s.—I have, through Mr. Vincent, given you assistance from my department.

By the COURT. He served the whole of his sentence; he had no remission—that was partly from misconduct, and partly from illness; if he is ill in the infirmary he earns no remission.

ELIZABETH HOWLETT . I live at 17, High Road, Knightsbridge—the

prisoner came to lodge there on 4th December last, and continued till 31st January—he occupied one room in the name of Charles Howard.

FRANCES DODD . I am a widow and live at 113, Brompton Road—the prisoner was lodging at my house when he was apprehended—he was there on the night of 31st January—I knew him as Mr. Howard.

JOHN LANGUISH (Police Inspector). I was at the Duke of Montrose's on 1st February—I heard the prisoner give the name to the butler of Count Hoovardo—I afterwards heard the conversation that has been spoken to by the Duke—I heard him say that the letter (A) was his writing—I took him into custody—I afterwards went to his lodging at 113, Brompton Road, and found there a book with the addresses of all these noblemen in it.

CHARLES VON TORNOW (Police Inspector). I was present when the prisoner was convicted at this Court in 1876, as Charles Howard—I arrested him at Eisenach under the Extradition Treaty—he was living there as an Englishman as Charles Howard.

PETER FRANCIS RIGHETTI . I am one of the Secretaries of the Italian Consul—I know nothing of the prisoner—I do not know any such title as Count Hoovardo or Count Monti; or Monti Leon.

Cross-examined. The prefix "Monti" is common in Italian titles—I am not familiar with all the names of Italian nobles, but I have a general knowledge.

The prisoner, in a very lony address, referred to his distressed condition as a reason for his applications for assistance, which, if it had been afforded him, would, he hoped, have enabled him to have obtained some employment and repay those who assisted him.

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' without Hard Labour.


Before Mr. Recorder.

443. LAWRENCE MADIGAN (19), GEORGE SPARKS (16), and ISAAC SPARKS (24) , Burglary in the dwellinghouse of Frederick James Salmon, and stealing 7l. Other Counts for burglariously breaking out of the said dwellinghouse, and for feloniously receiving. MADIGAN and GEORGE SPARKS PLEADED GUILTY .

MR. HORACE AVORY Prosecuted.

WILLIAM EDWARD BROOKS . I am manager at the Graving Dock Tavern, Silvertown—there is a taproom with two doors which fasten on the inside—there is a trapdoor in the floor of the taproom which communicates by an underground passage with the parlour—it is a very narrow passage, about two feet in depth—on the night of 1st March, about 11 o'clock, I superintended the closing of the house—I had seen the three prisoners in the house in the course of that evening—I saw that both doors of the taproom were bolted on the inside before I went to bed—I saw Isaac Sparks in the taproom about 10.40—at 3 o'clock in the morning I was called up by constable Bristow—I then found the taproom door leading into the yard unbolted from the inside, and the two trapdoors open, the lock of the parlour door forced off, and by that means access had been obtained to the bar—I missed 7l. in silver and bronze from the tills behind the bar.

HENRY VERRALL . I am potman at the Graving Dock Tavern—I saw the three prisoners in the taproom about 10.55 on the night of 1st March—I saw Isaac go Out—I did not see the other two leave—I assisted in closing the doors.

GEORGE FREDERICK SWAN . I am a labourer, and live at 85, Beresford Street—on Wednesday, 1st March, I was in the Graving Dock Tavern with the prisoners till the house was closed; all four of us were in the taproom—George Sparks pulled up the trapdoor and he and Madigan got down, and Isaac shut the trapdoor; I then left with Isaac and went to his house, 42, Oriental Road, Silvertown—I sat in a chair there and went to sleep; I was awoke about a quarterpast 2 by Madigan and George Sparks coming in; Isaac was lying on the floor; he woke up—they said they had brought the money home—Madigan said that a policeman had been chasing them—Isaac said "Did they see you come in here?"—they said "No"—they brought some money in with them; it was counted out; I think there was 6l. 18s. in silver and copper—the silver was placed on a shelf and the coppers on the table—Madigan and George Sparks went to sleep and Isaac went to bed—I went out about a quarterpast 6 in the morning—before I left Isaac took the money out and put it in the dusthole; I saw him do it; he put it in paper and a stocking.

Cross-examined by Isaac Sparks. I did not put the trapdoor down; you asked me to close it and I refused—I did not tell anybody what I had seen; I did not know what was going to happen—I took 6d. before I went out in the morning.

CHARLES EASTWICK . I am a labourer, and live at 7, Brown Road, Plaistow—on Thursday, 2nd March, about 11 a.m., I saw Isaac Sparks in High Street, Plaistow; he asked me if I would go and fetch him some money—I said "Yes; where do you live?"—he said at Silvertown—I said "Whereabouts?"—he said next door to the greengrocer's; I was to go to the dustbin and in the corner I should find 6l. 15s., and I was to bring it to him—I went to the house, went into the yard to the dustbin, and found the money in a stocking in the corner—I took it into the house to Mrs. Dell; I gave 10s. to the woman who I understood was Mrs. Sparks; he had told me to do so, and 5s. I had for myself, and I took the remainder to Isaac Sparks, who was waiting for me at the leather cloth factory—he gave me 10s. more; I told him I had taken 5s.

ELIZABETH DELL . I am the wife of John Dell, of 42, Oriental Road, Silvertown—Isaac Sparks lived there—on Thursday, 2nd March, I recollect Eastwick coming about 11 in the morning—Mrs. Sparks, Isaac's wife, opened the door to him—I saw him go through into the back yard to the dustbin, and saw him bring back a stocking into the kitchen—I saw there was money in it; he left 10s. with, Mrs. Sparks and took the rest away.

WILLIAM BRISTOW (Policeman K 286). About 2.40 a.m. on 2nd March I was on duty in North Woolwich Road, Silvertown, opposite the Graving Dock publichouse—I heard a noise inside—I stood about thirty yards off and listened—I heard a bolt drawn and saw Madigan and George Sparks come out of the side door leading from the yard—I chased them; they got into some empty houses and I lost sight of them—I went and gave information at the station—about 9 the same morning I identified the two men at the station—on 20th March,

after they had been before the Magistrate, I went to Worship Street and apprehended Isaac—I told him I should take him into custody for being concerned with two others now committed for trial for a burglary at the Graving Dock on 2nd March—he said "All right, I had some of the money. "

Isaac's Defence. I did not have anything to do with putting the trapdoor down. The witness put it down. I knew nothing about it till they came into my house.

ISAAC SPARKS— GUILTY of receiving .— Twelve Months' Hard Labour. MADIGAN— Six Months' Hard Labour. GEORGE SPARKS— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

444. EDWARD ALFRED WILSON (23) , Stealing a pair of boots of Julius Levy.

MR. HORACE AVORY Prosecuted.

JULIUS LEVY . I keep a boot shop at 65, Victoria Dock Road, West Ham—I have a stall in front of my shop on which I expose boots for sale—on the evening of 18th January I saw the prisoner outside my shop with another man; I had known him for years—shortly after I missed a pair of boots from the stall—my young man gave me some information, and I went out into the street, and in Eagle Street I saw the prisoner standing with another man—the prisoner had a handkerchief under his arm with something in it—I went up to him and said "Tootsy, you ought to know better than to take anything out of my shop"—he dropped the handkerchief; I picked it up and found the pair of boots I had missed—he ran away—I detained the other man, and he was given into custody and had six weeks—on 25th February I saw the prisoner again and identified him.

WILLIAM GIRLING (Police Sergeant K). On 25th February I apprehended the prisoner at South Woolwich—I told him he would be charged with being concerned with Charles Felton in stealing a pair of boots from outside Mr. Levy's shop—he said "I know nothing about the boots"—on the way to the station he said to Moss, who was with me, "The other man got six weeks, did he not?"—Moss said" Yes, I believe he did. "


He then PLEADED GUILTY to a previous conviction at this Court in December, 1880.— Three Months' Hard Labour.

445. GEORGE EVERETT (32) , Stealing 281b of tea from a dock adjacent to the Thames.

MR. J.P GRAIN Prosecuted.

JOHN HENRY SMITH . I am a clerk to the St. Katherine Dock Company—on 25th February about 1.40 p.m. I was at work in shed 29, which is used for storing tea—the chests and halfchests are nailed down, and have cane round them—I was behind a pile of bags, and saw the prisoner come in, look round, and go out—he returned in a few minutes, went behind a pile of chests, and I heard wood breaking—I walked over to the pile, and he walked out with a piece of wood in his hand—I don't know whether he saw me—I found the box of tea broken open, the cane cut, and the whole of the tea emptied into a gunny bag—he had nothing in his hand when he came in—I informed Mr. Judge, the foreman, and went with him up to the prisoner, who was on the quay, and charged him

with stealing the tea—it weighed 281b—it is a carman's duty to remain with his van, but he was nearly three quarters of a mile from No. 17 shed, where his van was—there is no wool in shed 29—there are a great number of these bags about the Docks.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You could break the chest open with the piece of wood.

HENRY CANDY . I am a labourer at the Albert Docks—it is part of my duty to be at 29 shed, and to see that it is safe—on 24th February about 1.30 I passed round this pile of tea—nothing was broken, nor was any gunny bag lying there—I afterwards saw a box of tea which had been emptied into this gunny bag.

WILLIAM BUTLER . I am foreman to Mr. Thoroughgood—the prisoner has been his carman about seven years—on 24th February he went to the Docks to fetch a load of wool from No. 17 shed—he had nothing to call for at No. 29 shed, but they frequently stroll about, while waiting for other vans to be loaded.

Cross-examined. Two vans were sent to load before you—I have inquired at Pickford's, where you were before, and find that you were there 14 years, and have borne a high character.

ARTHUR FORD . I am a labourer, and general superintendent of the loading of the wool—on 24th February I loaded several loads of wool for Mr. Thoroughgood, and noticed that one of the vans was left without a carman—each man ought to be with his van.

Cross-examined. I don't remember your coming there that day.

JAMBS CLUGSTON (Dock Constable). On 24th February I went to shed 29, and found Smith, Judge, and the prisoner—Smith said in the prisoner's presence that he went into the warehouse, broke open a chest of tea, and put it into a bag—the foreman gave him in custody—he said that he merely came up the quay for a walk.

GEORGE WILLIAM HAMILTON (Dock Inspector). The prisoner was brought to me—I told him he need not say anything unless he liked—he said that he came into the dock with two of his mates to shed 19, and took a stroll up the quay to look at the shipping, and that what Smith said was not true—the two sheds are over half a mile apart.

Prisoner's Defence. I drove into the dock, and merely took a walk up the quay, and as soon as I got to the shed an old gentleman beckoned to me, and said that I went into the shed. I said "No," and he called a policeman. I walked up to the policeman's box, and a young man brought the tea. That was the first I saw of it. Where he brought it from I don't know. I have often strolled from one end of the Docks to the other when I have been waiting.


Before Mr. Justice Watkin Williams.

446. GEORGE HERBERT VINCENT (46) , Feloniously setting fire to a shop in his occupation, with intent to injure and defraud. MESSRS. POLAND and CHARLES MATHEWS Prosecuted; MR. FULTON Defended.

GEORGE WARD . I am a publican at 12, Station Street—on Tuesday evening, 21st February, about 10 o'clock, I was walking along High Street, Stratford, and as I came near the prisoner's shop I received some information from a lad—I saw a crowd there—I and a friend pushed open the side door, and out came a volume of thick smoke and flame—I tried to make an entrance—I saw in the farther corner of the room a

glimmer of some sort, and when I got farther into the room I saw a flame in a cupboard or coal cellar under the staircase; the cupboard door was open—the flame came from some materials stacked up about a foot high, just inside the cupboard door—some water was brought; I threw a couple of pails of water on the fire and quenched it—the officers of the Fire Brigade then arrived and I left.

Cross-examined. I don't know whether I was the first to enter the house, as far as I know I was—if any one entered before me they shut the door after them—I don't know whether the door was latched or locked; we put our main strength to it and forced it—I had no chance of examining the cupboard, I was ordered out by the captain of the Fire Brigade.

EDWARD SMITH . I am Superintendent of the West Ham Fire Brigade, and live at 8, West Ham Lane, Stratford—on the night of 21st February I was called to this fire at 304, High Street—I got there at 10.6—I found the side door open—I saw the place where the fire had been in the cupboard; it had been extinguished—the house was full of smoke—I went upstairs and opened the windows to let the smoke out—I had to crawl on my hands and knees on the first floor, and as I did so I found a sheet of writing paper sticking up in the floor—smoke was coming through the floor just inside the door of the back room first floor, one of the bedrooms—finding one of the boards loose I took it up, and underneath found a small fire; a quantity of paper had been burnt—none of the boarding was burnt—the board was down in its place and was covered over with the oilcloth which ran along the stairs and up the passage—the board ran from the bathroom across the landing to another room on the right hand side—the piece of paper that was sticking up was in the bathroom, away from the oilcloth—I took that sheet of paper out—the police took the rest of the paper—this is it (produced)—I then went downstairs and examined—I found a fire in the shop on the right hand side as I entered from the side door (referring to a plan)—there was a quantity of rubbish there, straw, refuse, waste paper, and a pair of old boots, they would not burn very quickly—it looked like the sweepings of the shop—that fire was burning about 18 feet from the counter; it had damaged part of the flooring—I tried to get in farther, but the smoke was so dense it took us half an hour to do so—I then found another fire on the top of the counter and under the counter in the shop window on the right as you enter from the street—that fire was composed of waste paper, clothing, trousers, and coats hanging up on the rails in the shop window; it had burnt a hole through the counter—the four fires were quite separate and distinct—after the smoke had cleared away I saw that the partition under the coal cellar was burnt; I should think about three or four feet of the partition was burnt away—I saw the prisoner on the premises before we got the whole of the fires out—I asked him if the shop was connected with the private house—he said "Yes," and he showed me the way into the shop; he opened the door and I went into the shop and discovered the fires—I asked him afterwards if he could account for the fires—he said no he could not, it was all safe when he locked the place up and went out at 9.25—I estimated the damage at between 30l. and 40l.—I saw what furniture and stock the house contained—I am not a valuer, but I should think the outside value of the whole was 200l.; that is a rough estimate; I mean everything in the place.

Cross-examined. I looked round the place, in all the drawers, and everything I could—I did not take stock, I only took a casual look—I say 200l. as it was before the fire—I have seen a great many fires in clothing shops—I have been stationed at West Ham fourteen months—I do not know that the prisoner has been a resident in the neighbourhood seventeen years—the woodwork of the coal cellar was burnt—it was about 10.6 when I got to it—there was a quantity of paper there—the board upstairs was not burnt—I knocked out that fire with my hand; it was paper, no straw—I could not say how long that had been burning; there was no vent to assist it—the fire at the counter was straw and waste paper and the boots—there was not sufficient straw to cause much fire—it was burning when I got there—I extinguished it with a handpump—the fire on the top of the counter was a quantity of clothing—in that same week there was a mysterious fire in the church at Stratford; that was discovered to be on fire in three different places.

THOMAS TERTULLY (Police Inspector). I am stationed at West Hamon Tuesday, 21st February, I went to the prisoner's premises, 304, High Street. Stratford, accompanied by Sergeant Lennox—after the fire I went over the house with Mr. Smith—I afterwards made this plan of the premises; it is correct—I found traces of a fire in the coal cupboard; that had been extinguished before I arrived—a portion of the partition separating it from the kitchen had been burnt away about 3 feet by 1 foot in depth, near the flooring—it was made of match lining—there were traces of another fire on the right as you enter the shop from the parlour—that had been extinguished—it was in the vicinity of an unused fireplace—I saw a quantity of burnt material; I could hardly tell what it was, I should think paper and all kinds of rubbish—a chalk back, covered with papiermache, one of the dummies, was broken and had been burnt; it was all charred and blackened—two of the boards had been torn up in order to extinguish the fire; this was behind the counter—near the entrance there was another counter, and on the top of that there was a pile of woollen goods near the window; that had been burnt; the counter was burnt through from the top, and the pile of goods had been burnt through from the bottom—it had been extinguished, but was smouldering—that pile of goods was about a foot and a half high; it extended nearly the whole width of the counter—those three fires were actually distinct—I then went upstairs to the firstfloor, and in the back room there were traces of a fourth fire underneath a plank which ran athwart the top of the landing—I lifted it up and found traces of fire underneath; there were burnt embers of paper, and on the night of the fire I saw burnt paper taken out—they were mostly mourning letters, I should think a dozen or more—some were between the joists under the flooring, which was not loose—the prisoner was sitting in the kitchen—after I had made my examination I told him that we found fires in various parts of the house, and it seemed to me to be a serious matter, and I said, "If you like to accompany me I will show you"—he went willingly with me over the house, and I pointed out the various fires—I asked if he could account, for them—he said no, he could not—I asked who lived in the house besides him—he said his two daughters and himself—I asked where his daughters were—he said, "At a friend's house close by"—I asked who shut the shop up—he said his boy, but he was the last to leave—I asked him respecting his insurance—he said he was insured for

400l.—I said I was very sorry for him, he would have to go to the policestation with the sergeant—I did not trace any smell of benzoline; I examined very carefully as to that, and failed to find any trace.

Cross-examined. I have been stationed at West Ham nearly four years—I have known the prisoner there that time as a tradesman—I regarded him as a highly respectable man, and I believe he bears that reputation in the neighbourhood—I forget precisely the time he said he left that night, but I believe he said about half past 9—that is about the time shops of that description close there—he answered all my questions without any hesitation.

GEORGE LENNOX (Police Sergeant K 10). On 21st February about a quarter past 10 I went through the whole of the premises—I found four separate fires—I asked the prisoner how he thought the fires occurred—he said "I can't account for it"—he said he shut up the shop about twenty minutes past 9, and then went up to the Town Hall, and afterwards went to Mr. Saunders, and he did not know anything about the fire until some one came there and told him of it—I searched him, and found on him a Third Stratford Rock Building Society book in the name of G.H. Vincent, containing entries of subscriptions—the last entry was 14th June, 1881,2l. 10s.

JOHN EDWARD PLATT . I am a member of the Salvage Corps stationed at the firestation, 40, Commercial Road—on Tuesday night, 21st Feb., I was put in charge of the premises at a quarter to 12—at that time all the fires were out—on the following day I saw these two lamps on the mantelshelf over the kitchen fireplace—one was full, and the other partly full; the two together when quite full would hold about half a pint—I saw this bottle standing on the table in the back kitchen, empty; it smelt of benzoline—while I was left in charge Mr. Garrett came and removed about 60l. worth of property under a bill of sale—before that was removed I had gone over the stock and furniture, and I estimated the value of it between 200l. and 300l.—a demand was made for the gas; that was cut away.

Cross-examined. It was on 22nd that I found the bottle on the table—I had not noticed it before; if it had been there I should have noticed it—it was standing up—the cork was in it—I had been in the back kitchen before.

GEORGE DELL . I live at 7, Leban Street, Plaistow Road—I am 14 years old—I was employed by the prisoner for about ten months at his premises, 304, High Street, Stratford—he is a clothier—on Monday, 20th February, when I went home to my dinner I took with me two banners and two vases, and left them at Mr. Hockley's, No. 1, Paul Street, Bridge Row, Stratford—the prisoner told me to take them there—on Tuesday, the 21st, when I went to my dinner, at the prisoner's request I took two banner poles and two flags to Mr. Allman's—they had been used at a school feast the previous year—I got back about 1 o'clock, and then dusted the counter—I saw some newspapers piled up in the righthand corner of the counter; it was about two feet high—there was gas in the shop, these two small benzoline lamps were used—I used to fetch the benzoline when it was required—I think I had fetched a pint about the Thursday before, and on the Tuesday after tea, about 6, the prisoner told me to fetch another pint—I did so, and gave it to him in this bottle—about 7 he told me to go to Leytonstone with a small brown paper parcel

addressed to Mrs. Clare—I took it, with a message that it was not to be parted with without a note from Mr. Vincent—I don't know what was in it—I got back about 8—I saw Mr. Vincent filling one of the lamps with the benzoline—the shop was closed about twenty minutes past 9—between 8 and 9 Mr. Vincent was upstairs for some time—about 9 a man, a customer of Mr. Woods the publican, came, and took a parcel and a box out of the shop, and Mr. Vincent told him to take it over to the Market Station, and I went over with him and paid the carriage, a shilling—it was a heavy wooden box about two feet long; it would have been too heavy for me to carry—this is the card with the address on it, "Mr. Watts, 3, New London Street"—I don't know what was in the box—I came back between ten and fifteen minutes past 9—Mr. Vincent was then in the shop—in about two minutes he went upstairs for two or three minutes—I put up the shutters, and prepared to close the shop—when he was upstairs I called him three times, and he came down—that was about twenty minutes past 8; before I went out with the man and the box he had been upstairs about half an hour—I called him down because a customer came into the shop—I had to call him three times, and then he came down—it was 25 minutes past 9 when I left—the prisoner was then in the kitchen dressed ready to go out; he had on a high silk hat, and overcoat—I left by the side door—I saw the prisoner again that evening at the Town Hall, Stratford; he wished me goodnight, and went into the Town Hall, and I went home—the Town Hall ia about five minutes walk from 304—I do not know that I had ever seen a pile of newspapers on the counter before—the prisoner lived on the premises with his two daughters, one between 20 and 21, and the other about 11—he had also a married daughter, Mrs. Tomkinson, living at 6, Archibald Terrace, Leytonstone—the two unmarried daughters were in the house that day; the eldest left about half past 4 to go to a friend's, the youngest was at school—she was in the house at dinner time, between 12 and 1—she came home between 4 and 5, and then went to her married sister's.

Cross-examined. Mr. Vincent's bedroom was upstairs—I never knew him go upstairs before, not in all the 10 months I lived there—I was never upstairs except to clean the parlour windows—the prisoner sells new clothes—newspapers are used to wrap up parcels—I don't know whether these papers were put over things, I did not notice—I saw that when I came back from dinner—I had never seen paper wrapped round anything before—I did not look to see what was in it, it was not my place—I did not speak about it to anybody—the police sergeant asked me what the paper was put there for, I said I did not know—he had a plan of the shop, and he showed me the corner—the prisoner read the papers every morning; he put them on a shelf, and sometimes used them to wrap up parcels—I could not see what was inside the paper—there were four or five sheets by the look of them; there was such a lot, I could see the ends—the bannerpoles and flags had been used at a Sundayschool treat—the prisoner was one of the churchwardens—Mr. Hockley was connected witn the church—the brownpaper parcel weighed something under a pound—I was in the habit of taking out brownpaper parcels—the side door closes with a latch—a pint of benzoline was the quantity I was in the habit of fetching for the lamps—it lasted about three or four days—the bottle was kept on a shelf in the kitchen—the prisoner was in the habit of trimming and filling the lamps.

Re-examined. There was no shopman—there was nobody but himself to attend to the customers, that was why I called him down.

ELIZA CLARE . I am the wife of Samuel John Clare, a greengrocer, of 4, Ashbourne Terrace, Leytonstone—I have known the prisoner for some time by dealing with him—his place is about 20 minutes from ours by tram—I remember a little boy bringing a small parcel weighing about a pound, to be left till called for; the name of Mumford was written on it—I don't know any person of that name—on the following Thursday, the 23rd, Mrs. Tomkinson called for it; I did not know her before—I gave her the parcel—I do not know what was in it or why it was left with me.

Cross-examined. I don't know that the parcel contained a coat—it did not strike me as anything extrordinary, in the way of business—I have dealt with the prisoner, and was always treated with respect.

ELIZABETH WATTS . I am the wife of Thomas George Watts, of 3, New London Street, City—I am housekeeper taking charge of offices there—I have known the prisoner three or four years—on Monday, 20th Feb., about halfpast 6 or 7 o'clock, he came and asked if I would mind a box for him—I said "Yes"—I understoood it was coming from the country—he said it would be addressed to me, to keep till some one came to readdress it—on the 22nd a box came with this label on it—it was delivered through the Great Eastern Railway—the same evening it was called for in my absence, but was not sent away till the next morning; my husband then readdressed it and sent it away by the Parcels Delivery Company—we took off the old address and retained it—this is the receipt that was left with me for the box on the Thursday.

THOMAS GEORGE WATTS . I saw the box at my house, a man called for it on the Wednesday evening—I did not give it to him—Miss Emily Vincent called about half an hour after, and from what she said I took off the card and put on it" A. Tomkinson, 9, Archibald Terrace, Crownfield Road, Stratford"—I believe a carrier called for it.

Cross-examined. I have known the prisoner four or five years—his daughters are in the habit of coming to my house from time to time—I knew him as a highly respectable tradesman.

GEORGE TAVERNER . I am booking clerk in the coaching department at the Stratford Market Station—on 21st February a box addressed to Watts, 3, New London Street, E.C., was brought there, and 1s. paid for the carriage; it weighed 72lb—it was forwarded in due course.

WILLIAM WOODS . I live at the Builders' Arms, next door to the prisoner—about 9 o'clock in the evening of 21st February the prisoner brought two small brownpaper parcels and asked me to take them over till called for, 1s. to pay for one, and 2s. for the other—a day or two after, in consequence of what my wife told me, I sent them to Mrs. Tomkinson, the prisoner's eldest daughter.

Cross-examined. I have known the prisoner six years; he was one of the churchwardens of a neighbouring church, and has borne a very good character—I had previously taken charge of parcels for him several times.

Re-examined. I had never before taken charge of parcels to be sent to his daughter's, I only received parcels for his customers to call for after his shop has been shut.

CAROLINE WOODS . I am the wife of the last witness—I remember two small parcels being left with my husband to be called for—my boy took them to Ashby's boot shop for the daughter.

WILLIAM ADAMS . I am employed by Mr. Woods—a day or two after the fire I took some parcels to Mr. Ashby's and gave them to him—I did not see Mrs. Tomkinson; I knew her—I did not notice the address on the parcels.

ALBERT BATES JENKINS . I am clerk to Mr. Diprose, of 72, Buckingham Palace Road, Pimlico, a moneylender—on 30th September the prisoner gave Mr. Diprose this bill of sale—I saw him sign it—it is for a loan of 55l. on the furniture and effects of 304, High Street, Stratford, to be repaid by seven monthly instalments of 7l. each; 40l. advanced, 15l. for the accommodation—as security we had this fire policy in the London and Lancashire for 600l.—this is his receipt for the premium on 12th January—in addition to that we had the security of a life policy for 100l. in the Prudential—shortly after hearing of the fire we thought it desirable to realise under the bill of sale—I don't know what the amount was—we took barely enough to cover, within 2l. and the expenses.

Cross-examined. I am not Mr. Diprose; I am known as "our Mr. Jenkins"—this is the inventory in the prisoner's own writing—there was a balance of 27l. due on the bill of sale.

Re-examined. I believe the instalments were paid in one sum, except on one occasion when 4l. was paid first and 3l. in the course of a day or so.

ROBERT FREWER . I live in Avenue Road, Forest Gate, and am secretary to the Third Stratford Bock Building Society—the prisoner had four shares in it, upon which he made payments—the last payment was made on 14th June, 1881—on 20th June notice of withdrawal was given—a second notice was given in July, but I believe that was a mistake—in consequence of having a great many notices of withdrawal his application stood over till February—on 10th February I received this letter from him. (Read: "Dear Sir,—Kindly oblige me by doing what you can that I may get my money from the Rock; I still require it; it would greatly help me.") He had given notice to withdraw about 25l.—that was all he could get out—I replied by postcard that we should be compelled to tax his patience a little longer—it is not paid yet.

JAMES SAUNDERS . I am a cabinet maker, of Market Street, Stratford, and live on my property—I am not a friend of the prisoner; I did not know him till just before Christmas—on 21st February his daughter Emily came to my house to take tea about 4 o'clock in the afternoon—she stayed there till the alarm of fire about 10 o'clock—we expected the prisoner to supper; he came about halfpast 9 and stayed till 10 o'clock, when the alarm was given, and he went away.

The prisoner received a good character.

GUILTY. Recommended to mercy by the Jury on account of his character .— Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

Before Mr. Recorder.

447. ROBERT MCGLASHAN (32) PLEADED GUILTY to stealing a watch and chain of James Barbour, having been before convicted at Stratford in September, 1881.— Discharged on his own recognisances.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

448. THOMAS CHARLES PAYNE (32) PLEADED GUILTY to burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Edward Martin Hubbock and stealing meat, wine, and other articles his property.— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

449. JAMES COLLINS (21) and CHARLES WILSON (23) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. LLOYD Prosecuted.

WILLIAM HATT . On 21st February, about 9 p.m., I was serving in my father's bar—Collins came in; my brother Edward served him with half a pint of ale, which came to 1d.; he tendered a florin, which my brother put into the till, and gave him the change—about 9.45 Gregory came in, and in consequence of what he said I went to the till and found a bad florin, which I gave to Mr. Morris—no other florin was in the till; it had been cleared about 6 o'clock—the house is two or three minutes' walk from the Britannia—I saw Collins again the following Tuesday week.

EDWARD ALBERT HATT . I am a brother of the last witness—on 21st February, about 9 o'clock, I served Wilson with half a pint of ale—he gave me a florin, which I put in the till and gave him 1s. 11d. change—do not recognise Collins, but I served somebody with half a pint of ale—he gave me a florin; I put it in the till and gave him the change—there was no other florin there, as I had taken the first one out and given it to Mr. Cronk, who gave me a half-crown for two pints of ale, which came to 6d.—he brought it back next morning, and I found it bad, and my father gave him a good one for it—about half an hour afterwards a policeman came in—my brother went to the till and took out the florin—when I took out the florin for Mr. Cronk I did not notice any other florin there—I pointed out Wilson at the station.

Cross-examined by Wilson. The florin sounded all right—I did not try it in a tester—some pewter pots were on the counter, and I could not tell by the sound—I knew you by your dress and height—I did not see you go through with the police—I picked you out from twelve others in two minutes.

JOHN CRONK . On 21st February, between 9 and 10 p. m., Edward Hatt served me with a pint of ale, which came to 6d.—I put down a half-crown, and he gave me a florin change—I went to the Red Lion, Deptford, tendered the florin, and it was returned to me—I took it back to the White Hart next morning, and Edward Hatt changed it—this is it; I bent it.

WILLIAM MORRIS . I am a clerk—on the evening of 21st February I went to the White Hart, and William Hatt gave me a bad florin—I gave it up at the station—I can recognise it.

BERTHA FREEMAN . My father keeps the Britannia, Deptford—on 21st February, about 9 o'clock, I served Collins at the bar—he gave me a florin—I gave him 1s. 10 1/2 d. change, and put it in the till, where there was a florin, and some shillings and sixpences—I put the florin on top of the other—Collins drank the ale and left—Wilson came in

about five minutes afterwards for half a pint of ale, and put down a florin, which I put in the till on top of the second, and gave him the change—he asked for a postage stamp, and paid with a penny—directly he left I examined the florins; there was a difference between the top ones and the bottom one; the head was rather blak—I showed them to my father.

Cross-examined by Collins. I am positive the one you gave me was bad.

Cross-examined by Wilson. I thought the coin looked bad when you gave it me, but I put it in the till, and took it out and showed it to my father—he said that he thought it was good, and I gave you the change, and put it in the till again, but as some one in the house said that he thought it was bad when I bounced it, I looked at it again—I placed your coin on top of Collins's coin.

RICHARD MARLOW FREEMAN . I am landlord of the Britannia—on 21st February about 9.30 I saw Collins tender a florin—my daughter brought the bowl to me—it contained three florins and some sixpenses—I found the two top florins were bad—I had served a customer an hour and a half before, who gave me a good florin, which I put in the till—Inspector Thompson brought the prisoners back in a few minutes, and I gave them in charge with the two coins.

Cross-examined by Wilson. I did not at first say that the florin was good; I said that I did not know what to make of it.

WILLIAM LYNCH: I am a waterman—I was at the Britannia on 21st February a few minutes after 9, and saw Collins served—he went out, and in four or five minutes Wilson came in and tedndered a florin—while I walked a hundred yards down the street and walked back again—Collins was then a few yards from the house—I did not see them speak—I saw inspector Thompson take them in charge.

JOSEPH THOMPSON (Dockyard Inspector). On 21st February, shorlty After 9 o'clock, Lynch pointed out the prisoners to me, walking one behind the other—I took Wilson, and Gregory took Collins; we took them to the house, where Collins said to Wilson "I know nothing about you; you have nothing to do with me"—Wilson said nothing to that—Collins then said "I have not been in the house," and Wilson said the same—I found on Collins 11 shillings, 6 sixpenses, and 2s. 6 1/2 d. in bronze, all goods, and on Wilson 3 shillings, 13 sixpenses, 2s. 5 1/2 d. in bronze, and a postage stamp.

Cross-examined by Collins. You had been drinking, but you knew what you were about—you were so violent that it took several men to take you to the station—you knew what you were about.

ARTHUR GREGORY (Policeman). I was with Inspector Thompson, and Freeman pointed out Collins to me about thirty yards from the Britannia—I said "You must come back with me to the Britannia public-house" he said "What for?"—I said "I am informed that you have been passing bad coin there"—he said "I have not been there," and denied knowing Wilosn.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These coins from the White Hart are bad; these two others are also bed, and one of them is from the same mould as one of the White Hart ones, and the one tried with the teeth is from the same mould as one of the others.

Collins's Defence. I sould think the boy who served me would know Me, not the other one. I own to going into the Britannia, but not be Knowing the floring was bad.


Wilson's Defence. I did utter a florin at the Britannia, but I did not know it was bad. I was never in the White Hart.

GUILTY*.— Eighteen Month' Hard Labour each.

Before Mr. Recorder.

450. JOHN FREDERICK ALLEN (30) , Stealing 26lb. of metal pipe of the School Board of London, fixed to a building.

MR. RAM Prosecuted. JAMES ELSEY. I am a labourer—in January I was employed on some houses in Malpas Road, New Cross—on Tuesday, 31st, I went out to dinner between a quarter and half-past 12—when I returned I found that some lead pipe had been cut away from the rising main—I went to Butler, the caretaker of the school, and he came back with me—we searched the house, and found that the waste pipe was gone as well—I did not find any one in the house—we went next door, and under the sink there found a bag with something in it; we left it there—the prisoner came down the stairs and went out the front door—we chased him up the Lewisham Road, and a policeman there took up the chase and took him—he turned so many corners that I did not keep him in sight all the time, but he is the man.

JAMES BUTLER . I am caretaker of some houses in Malpas Road, in the parish of St. Paul, Deptford, the property of the School Board for London—on 31st January, about 1 in the day, Elsey came to me, and I went with him to 251, Malpas Road—I found that two pipes had been cut away—we went into the next house, and saw a bag under the sink—we watched, and the prisoner came down the stairs and out at the front door; we gave chase after him; he was caught by the police and brought back—I then saw that the bag contained 26 lb. of lead of the value of 10l.—the main was cut close to the floor and the water was running all over the house.

SAMUEL DRAKE (Policeman R 325). I saw the prisoner walking; Elsey called my attention to him; he was then running, about 200 yards from me—I ran after him and captured him—Butler came up and said that he had stolen a lot of lead out of the house—I took him back to Malpas Road and there saw the bag of lead—the prisoner was charged—he said "There was. another man; I was watching while he cut down the pipe. "

Prisoner's Defence. I am not guilty of stealing the lead. I was on the stairs waiting for the man to bring the lead, which he wanted me to carry to Bermondsey for him. I thought something was wrong and I ran out and was taken by the police.

GUILTY .**— Twelve Months' Hard Labour. (See the case of Mary Rooney, page 710.)

451. GEORGE HANCOCK (18) PLEADED GUILTY to breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Herbert Walker, with intent to steal; also to having in his possession certain housebreaking implements.— Nine Months' Hard Labour . There was another indictment for burglary, to which he



Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

452. STEPHEN NORMAN (18) and GEORGE JARMAN (18) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Morris Quirk, and stealing a watch and two chains, his goods.

MR. CRANSTOUN Prosecuted. MORRIS QUIRK. I am a tea packer, of 29, Suffolk Place, Snow's Fields—on Monday morning, March 20th, at 12.40, I securely fastened my premises—about 2.20 I was aroused by a noise—I got out of bed, came to the stairs, looked through the banisters, and saw a light—I went and woke my two brothers up—I then went and got a bottle, in doing so I made a noise; I rushed downstairs—when I got down the persons had escaped—I rushed out in my shirt; I saw no one in the court, I heard them running up Suffolk Place—when I got to the top I saw Norman 25 yards in front of me—I called "Police," and he started running—I ran and caught him and gave him in custody—he was brought to my father's house—he was taken to the station then—I went home again—I went to the Borough High Street and made inquiries about Jarman—I then went up Angel Court, met two constables, and gave them Jarman's description—I went to a lodging-house and picked Jarman out—I believe I saw him when I came to the top of Sussex Place, but I was excited—I missed a watch, two chains, and two overcoats of my brother's—this silver watch and chain is mine—I have known Norman ten years; only to say good morning or evening—I have known Jarman ten years, but do not remember speaking to him—the other chain is my father's—one is steel and one is silver.

Cross-examined by Norman. I saw you 80 yards from where I live—you were walking, and as soon as I called out" Police" you started running—I have seen you in the court often.

HENRY BRANSTON (Policeman M 135). On 20th March I was in Snow's Fields about 2.5 a. m., and heard footsteps running; I ran in that direction through Maynard Place into Maynard Street—I saw Quirk and one of his brothers stop Norman, he was running—Quirk said "I give this man in custody for breaking and entering my house in Suffolk Place"—I took Norman back to the house—on the way back, about 50 yards from the house, I took up two coats in the carriage way—I found the window shutters forced, the screws had gone out of the wood—Quirk said that two coats and a watch and chain were missing—I took Norman to the station—on being charged he said" You have made a mistake, it is not me"—he used the same words when I took him in custody—I found nothing on him.

WILLIAM WHITE . On 20th March I was on duty in Snow's Fields, about 12.30 a.m.—I saw the prisoners near Collier's Rents, which is about 200 yards from Quirk's house—I next saw them in custody—when Jarman saw me about 6 o'clock he said "This man knows me"—I said" Yes, I know you well, I saw you at 12.30"—he said" No, I was in the Rose from about 11 at night"—he did not appear to have been drinking.

THOMAS FORD (Policeman M 73). I was standing at the corner of Angel Court, High Street, Borough, and saw Jarman with a street barrow pass

through Angel Court into Collier's Rents—I did not know then of the robbery—Quirk made a communication to me; this was about a quarter of a mile from his house—we went to a lodging-house in Collier's Rents—I found him in bed in the first-floor front room—I woke him up and told him he would be charged with committing a burglary at 29, Suffolk Place, Snow's Fields—he said "I know nothing about it"—Quirk said" From information I have received I believe you had my watch in your possession twenty minutes ago, in the High Street"—the prisoner said" That you will have to prove"—I searched his room—in his bed I found this small chisel; in one of the seams of the floor under the bed I found this chain, and in one of the cupboards this watch, wrapped up in paper—the silver chain was in the same cupboard in another corner—the prosecutor said those articles were his—at 29, Suffolk Place a box of silent matches were found.

Cross-examined by Jarman. Three or four men were in the room when I arrested you.

JANE TWITTON . I am deputy at a lodging-house at 12, Collier's Rents—I have been there five weeks—the prisoner was there when I went—on 20th March he came in about five minutes to 3 a. m., and I said, "You are very late"—he said "Yes, missis; I should not have come in, but I heard you moving about"—on Sunday nights I have the kitchen scrubbed after 12, and am up later than on any other night—he is generally late, but not so late as that—the last who came in was a wooden-legged man, about 12.30—about four others sleep in the same room as Jarman—they had come in hours before him—some went to bed at 8 o'clock.

Cross-examined by Jarman. The stairs door was locked, and no one could go up it unless I unlocked the door—I always lock it on Sunday evenings—the man that washes the kitchen locked it.

Norman's Defence. I was drunk, and was just getting my senses when I saw the prosecutor and his two or three brothers in their night shirts, and that gave me a fright, and made me run. The prosecutor threw a bottle at me, and frightened me more. I was walking towards the place. I have been living in the neighbourhood 16 years. I never was in custody before.

Jarman's Defence. On Sunday nights I generally earn 4d. washing up for a coffee-stall, and after that I went home about 2.30, when the constable woke me up. I know nothing about it.


He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony in the name of James Bellinger in October, 1877, at the Surrey Sessions.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.


453. ALFRED CHARLES WILLIAMS (30) , Unlawfully obtaining 100l. by false pretences.



GEORGE FULLER . I was formerly a sergeant in the Royal Artillery—on 12th November I saw an advertisement in the Daily Telegraph, of which this is a copy:" Situation vacant for a young man willing to make himself generally useful in keeping offices, cleaning, &c. 100l. cash security required; no previous experience necessary; auditor's references; salary 1l. 5s. weekly, and rooms on premises free. Apply by letter to Situation, 5, St. Bride Street"—I applied by letter, and got this

reply: "British" Equitable Financial Association, with which is incor-porated the British Equitable Deposit Bank, branches City and Lewis-ham. Peckam Rye Office, 27 and 27A, Phillip Road, Peckham Rye, S.E. 14th November. Sir,—I shall be glad to have an interview with you at the above address to-morrow (Tuesday) between 10 and 1, relative to the advertisement' Situation,' (addressed to 5, St. Bride Street, E. C. Yours obediently, A. C. Williams.") That is the prisoner's writing—on the morning of 15th November I went to 27, Phillip Road—I noticed the word "Bank" on the fanlight," The British Equitable Deposit Bank" on the door-post, and round the corner, before you got inside, "Bank" again, on the lintel of the door—as soon as I got inside there was a lot of writing in different sized letters, then on the door "General Office" and "Bank" again—that is where I applied first—I was told to wait—in about 20 minutes I was asked to go upstairs and see Mr. Williams—there was "Bank" on his door, and the figure "4"—I went in there and saw Mr. Williams—he shook hands with me, showed me a chair, read my testimonials, and said" They are very satisfactory indeed"—I asked him to write to Major Stuart Nicholson—he said that was not necessary, but I still asked him to do so and he said he would—we talked the things over, and he said" That is the way I do my work and carry on my business; I keep valuable papers locked up, and at times I have things of great value"—he pointed to the boxes; one on each side of the fire-place—he said "You will find plenty to do," and that I should have to keep the place clean and take charge of it—I told him my wife would help me—I said I could not give any decided answer before I had seen her about it, and he said" Certainly not"—I asked if I could see the rooms—he said "Certainly"—there were three rooms at the top of the house—he did not show me the kitchen that day—he showed me the back bedroom, and said "It is a very nice room," and then I saw the front off room—he said" This is a small off room; I will have it done up; I have only had a boy, and you will have the boy with you"—it was arranged that my wife and I should come on the 17th—on that occasion the premises were in the same condition, with the word "Bank, "&c., on them—the agreement was then handed to me, and he explained the period I was to serve, which had not been filled in—I signed" George Fuller," and he signed under it "A. C. Williams "I showed it to my wife and she read it. (The agreement was dated November, 1881, between George Fuller and Alfred Charles Williams; Fuller to serve as assistant and cleaner, for two years, and deposit 100l. security for the faithful performance of his duties, and to have possession of three rooms and 1l., 5s. weekly.) I asked him when I was to come in—he said "As soon as you like"—I said" I will shilt on Saturday, as I suppose you close early"—he said "No, I do not close till 11 o'clock at night on Saturday, that is my busiest day, and I do not know how to get through"—I told him I could not deposit the money then—he said" There is no hurry about that"—on Saturday, 19th, between 4 and 5 o'clock, my wife, children, and I, arrived there—the premises were about in the same con dition; there was no alteration—as soon as we got in Williams met me at the end of the stairs, and said" Fuller, didn't you get my letter?"—I said "No, Sir"—he said "Never mind, it is of no consequence," or words similar to that—I went on getting in the furniture; when it was all in he came downstairs and called me out of the kitchen—he said" Now, Fuller,

if you will come upstairs we will settle the matter, as very likely I shal be very busy later on"—I went upstairs, and paid him 100l. in Bank of England notes—he took the agreement out of the pigeon hole, and wrote the receipt which is on it—I saw him sign "A. C. Williams"—a day or two afterwards I received this letter signed "A. C. Williams." (Dated 18 th November, 1881, and stating that Williams was going to the north of England soon after 12 o'clock on the morrow, and would be glad if Fuller attended at the office as soon as possible "to complete our matter," and to arrange for the kitchen to be papered, &c.) I remained on the premises till about 7th March—there was a small amount of business done—I received my wages up to 31st of December, 25s. per week—on 7th January he came early in the morning—he had been there very little, and some days not at allsome days he had been in the morning, and had gone away again—he waited till the morning post, and took the letters—his usual time for coming was between 10 and 11 o'clock—he very seldom remained all day; when he came very early he only stayed till the post came—he waited about twenty minutes then went away, and I did not see him after—on 9th January, about 8.45, the brokers came in and took possession of the premises—he has never handed me back my 100l.—no business was done there after the 7th; a few repayments were made—I received 9l. 15s., and paid it over to Mr. Rose—there was a great row, everybody was in an uproar, and wanted to know what was up—some days after the brokers had been in, a Mr. Moore came and asked me for his box—I referred him to the broker's man—I never saw people pay money in on deposit—I never saw a book for deposits—the clerks were: in the lower office, Mr. Rose and Mr. Tompkins; upstairs, Mr. Harris and Mr. Bodger—Mr. Williams's house was two or three minutes' walk off; just behind—there was a Mr. Moret and a Mr. Kennet there, and a Mr. Baker and a Mr. Alexander at the City office, and Mr. Connor, a Mr. Tippet, and Mr. Gaskin at the Lewisham branch—there might have been more, but that is all I know—they never gave me money to hand to Williams—I received money when no one else was there—I signed for it, and handed it over to Williams, telling him it was from Mr. So-and-So—I parted with my 100l. because I thought it was a deposit bank, and my money would be as safe in that bank as in any other—I thought I was going into a place of trust—I did not know it was a loan office.

Cross-examined. 1 have never asked for my 100l. back again—I saw the words "British Equitable Financial Association" on a small sign outside the lamp, "with which is incorporated the British Equitable Deposit Bank" was on the hall door—I saw something on the windows when I was cleaning them; it has been scraped off, and I cannot remember it—I saw "Money advanced" on the window after I had been there about a week—I did not know that that business was carried on—the clerks were playing at draughts—it was not my place to ask for my money then, as my agreement was for two years—I am not educated, but I can speak—I did not do so—I received my 25s. per week by instalments up to 31st December from Williams—it was not my place to say that it was not a bank—I was a stranger, and had no one to ask in Peckham—I did inquire in the City, and could not find anybody that knew it—I asked my friends—there were four clerks at Peckham, and four at his own office; they were reading books and playing at draughtsno books were kept—no business was done.

Re-examined, I was about all day, unless I was addressing circulars—the front downstairs room was a chemist's shop; Mr. Rose looked after it the best part of the time, but sometimes there was no one to look after it, as Mr. Rose did not come till about 12 o'clock—there was some reading on the shop window; small letters on a white ground, which I saw when I was cleaning it—Rose used to wait till the post came, and he used to go home to his meals at intervals—I do not know anything about the loan business.

By MR. M. WILLIAMS. The chemist's shop was there before I parted with my money. (A picture was here produced)—this is not a true representation of what I read.

JOHN BOOR . I live at 2, Cavendish Retreat, Wandsworth Road—I am out of employment—previous to 28th September I saw an advertisement in a newspaper that a situation was vacant for a young man to look after offices—I wrote to three or four alphabetical letters, 5, St. Bride Street—I received a post-card, and on 28th September this letter, in consequence of which I called and saw Mr. Williams—he said "I am carrying on a large business as the British Equitable Deposit Bank; I have a branch at Lewisham and at Ludgate Circus; what security are you able to place down, as it is a great place of trust? Sometimes I shall be away, and you will have the entire charge of the premises"—I asked him how much he wanted; he said "The man whose situation you are taking placed down 50l."—I offered to put down 40l.; he said that would do—he handed me this agreement—I paid the 40l. and signed it—he signed after me—then he signed the receipt below—that was on 28th September—I noticed "Bank" over the door of No. 4 room and Over the fanlight of the front door and on the second door, with the words "British Equitable Deposit Bank"—another door leads into the chemist's shop—one was a swing door—I did not have to pass through the shop—" British Equitable Deposit Bank" was on the wall—I went up to see Mr. Williams—I was to receive 25s. a week and to be provided with a ready-furnished room at the house 27, Philip Road—I went to occupy it on 10th October—I had received this letter of 2nd October. (Postponing the witness coming till the 10 th.) I afterwards received this letter from him. (Enclosing post-office order for 1l. 10s. for week's salary and extra for residence.) I never had the rooms, so I had the 5s. instead—I continued my work there from 10th October till 19th November—I had to keep the place clean and take out circulars, letters, and so forth—I went there about 8.30 a. m. and stayed there sometimes till 9.30 p. m., and sometimes I got away at 6—I was not left in entire charge—I received my wages regularly—I lived, and still live, in the Wandsworth Road—he knew my address—on 19th November I saw Fuller in the passage—after he arrived Williams came out of the back part of the premises to me and said "Boor, you can get away; you have no occasion to Btop any longer to-night; I am going home to tea; if you will come out along with me I will pay you your salary"—I went out with him, and went round the corner towards his home—he said he had been obliged to enter into different arrangements and to take a fresh partner into the business, and "I think by handing you back your 40l. your engagement will be at an end; on the other hand I undertook to give you a month's notice, therefore I shall pay you 30s. the next four weeks; at the expiration of that time you can receive your 40l. security; any

thing I can do for you as regards references I will; I do not wish to act any ways dishonourable towards you"—he then gave me 30s. and shook hands and we parted—he paid me 30s. a week for the month—I asked him for my 40l. on 28th December near Ludgate Hill Railway Station—I had this letter from him to meet him there, and expected I was going to receive it—I said "I should like to have my 40l. security at the earliest convenience;" he said "You will hear from me the early part of next week, then I will let you know whether to meet me here and receive it or to come to my office at Peckham Rye"—I never heard from him—on 17th December he had written to me this letter. (Stating: " I shall send you your salary on Monday without fail. ") He did not send it—I parted with my 40l. because I thought I had got a great place of trust, and I should have a lot under my charge, it being represented to me as a bank—there were four clerks, Harris, Tippett, Tomkins, and Rose—I have seen money paid in—I do not know what for—nothing was said in Williams's hearing as to what it was paid for.

Cross-examined. I parted with my money expecting to get permanent employment—I should have been satisfied if I had received my 40l. at the end—I did not give 40l. for the situation, I only placed it down as security for my honesty—I noticed the headings on the letters, "British Equitable Financial Association," immediately I went into the employment—I did not know what it meant—I did not inquire—I do not know what a loan office is—I never knew that money was lent. (A large pane of glass was here produced, with "British Equitable Financial Association, &c.," on it.) I am not certain if that is the window—there was writing on some of the windows—I can read a little. (Another pane was produced with "Money advanced" &c., on it.) I never noticed that there—I did not clean those windows—the writing could be seen by people on the opposite side of the road—I agreed to leave without notice; I thought he was going to help me to something—when I saw "With interest" in large letters it did not strike me it was a loan office.

Re-examined. "Bank" was over the door, and up above in much larger letters—I drove a horse and cart before I went there.

JOHN MORET . I am a native of Holland—at present I reside at 8, London Terrace—about 15th October I saw an advertisement in the Daily Chronicle, and wrote to "B. M.," 15, Philbrick Terrace, Nunhead Lane, Peckham Rye—on 18th October I received this letter—the signature is Williams's. (Asking the witness to call next day at 2.30.) I went and saw Mr. Williams—I told him I called in reference to his letter—I said that I had lost 30l. which I had deposited a short time before that as cash security, and that now I could only offer him 20l.—security was mentioned in the advertisement—he said "We always have had 50l. before; however, I shall think the matter over"—he told me and my wife, who was present, that my duties were to keep the place clean, and in the advertisement it was to take care of the place—he said he should like to have a foreigner, as they kept the windows cleaner than English people did—I got this post-card. (Dated 22,10, '81, stating that he could not obtain the situation for the witness on the security offered.) It is Williams's writing—I wrote this letter of 27th October, 1881. (Offering 40l. as security, and promising to pay another 10l. afterwards.) I received this reply; I have torn the heading off, thinking at the time it would not be

required. (Appointing 12 next day to pay the 40l. deposit and sign the agreement.) I next saw Williams the night before I was to move in—that was in October—the receipt is dated 29, 10, '81—I remember it being signed. (This was for 29l. cash and bank notes and Antwerp coupons value 11l., and stating: "The affixed receipt is merely for money deposited as security, to be returned 14 days after demand.") Before that I signed an agreement to pay Williams 10l. at about the New Year—I saw him on 29th October at my address at Batteraea, when he signed the agreement—he had a 50l. note with him, and asked me whether it would be changed for him in the neighbourhood to pay me my salary; I told him I could not get it changed at that hour of the night, about 9 o'clock—he then gave me a cheque on the London and South Western Bank—it was then arranged I should move in the week following—I received this letter. (Dated Nov. 3, 1881, postponing the moving in till Friday week, and enclosing postal order for 1l.) After that letter I walked to Peckham Rye, as I did not feel quite at ease—I found nobody in except Tompkins, a clerk—he showed me the offices—I think my wife was with me—on 19th November I received this letter. (Promising to call on the witness next day and settle.) He came to see me—he said "I am sorry, Mr. Moret, but I have a large business, and I cannot find all the capital myself, so I have to look to other people as well," and then he said "They have some objection," or something of the kind, and "So I shall give you your money back," and he also paid me my week's wages, 1l.—he gave me three 10l. notes and my coupons back—my agreement with him was for 1l. per week and rooms—on 6th December I received this letter from him: "Dear Sir,—If you can make it convenient to call upon me tomorrow (Wednesday), between 6 and 8, I might be able to introduce something to your advantage"—I went and saw him—he told me he had a situation vacant for me as a clerk and general assistant on condition that I could deposit 30l.—I told him I was a welleducated man, but not acquainted with all the nicknacks of office work; he said he would give me very easy work, and I should do very well—I got this letter from him of 8th December, 1881. (Requesting the witness to go to his house at 11 next day to complete the matter.) I entered into this agreement with him. (This was to serve as assistant and clerk at 1l. 5s. weekly from 12 th December, one month's notice to be given on leaving, and 30l. to be deposited, the same to be repaid by Williams at the end of service. A receipt for 30l. was annexed.) The word "Bank" was on the front door of 27, Philip Road—I saw the notice on the windows about advances, but not till the third or fourth time I called—I paid him 30l.—I think I put it on the table when I signed the agreement—there was a chemist's shop on the side of the entrance to the back premises—the word "Bank" was on the door of No. 4 room, which was a kind of private office where Mr. Williams generally was on the firstfloor—I never saw money deposited—I did not know it was a loan office before I parted with my money—I do not know when I first knew it was a loan office—I never got my 80l. back—I parted with my money in order to have a situation, and I thought" B.M." in the advertisement meant bank manager, and that my money was quite safe there.

Cross-examined. I do not say that the window produced was not there; I only say I didn't see it—I think I went there at night—he told me he wanted capital in his business—that was after I parted with my first 30l.,

and before I parted with my second 30l.—I do not think I knew it was a loanoffice till the brokers came—previous to seeing the prisoner I had no occupation—before I came over from the Continent I was with my father.

RICHARD BROWN . I am a clerk in the Inland Revenue Department at Somerset House—it is my duty to receive returns of banks under 7th and 8th Vic. c. 32s. 21, which orders that a return should be made after the 1st January, or in default there is a penalty of 50l.—early this year I received an application from Mr. A. C. Williams, of Ackland House, 15, Philbrick Terrace, Nunhead Lane, Peckham, to be returned as a banker—I made this copy of the application—this is the original, dated 2nd January, 1882—that is the first time this bank has been registered—this is a copy of the London Gazette containing the return.

Cross-examined. We send out circulars to bankers in December—the rule is, after the circulars are sent out the return is to be made from the 1st to 14th January, to be published in the London Gazette—we keep a list of bankers—if a new one comes, he gives his address, and it is taken down in the list—I cannot say who received Mr. Williams's name and address; I did not—it was furnished previous to 2nd December, before the circular was sent out.

EDWIN BODGER . I live at Philpot Street, Commercial Road—I am out of employment—about the 5th November I saw an advertisement in the Telegraph for a clerk—I afterwards entered into this agreement with Williams. (At clerk, and to deposit 100l. subject to withdrawal at three months' notice, dated 10th November, 1881)—I entered on my duties at 27, Philip Eoad, and paid my 100l.—I went on 14th November, and remained there till the brokers were in the office on 9th January—I never saw people deposit money in the bank—I saw the word "Bank" on the outside like the word "Bank" produced—it was on the post on the outside.

Cross-examined. I had nothing to do with the bill of sale business—I believe I saw the panes produced at the chemist's shop—I was not entrusted with any business—I read the newspapers.

Re-examined. I received 30s. per week—I addressed a few envelopes—I have never had my 100l. back.

JOSEPH MOORE (Policeman L 77). I served a summons on 10th February at Ventnor Cottage, Mount Place, Charlton—the first examination before the Magistrates was on 15th March.

Witnesses for the Defence.

HENRY HOLLIS ROSE . I live at Kempshot Road, Peckham—I was the defendant's clerk and assistant from January 10th or 18th, 1880, to January 7th, 1882—I am trustee under his bankruptcy—as his clerk and trustee I have become intimately acquainted with his business at 27, Philip Road—the premises were used as a chemist's shop and a loan office—the windows produced were one in the shop and the other on the first floor facing the street, during September, 1881—I kept nearly all the books—they are produced—I have gone through this ledger—the loans during 1881 averaged about 2,000l.—I have made this list produced from October, 1880, till the end—the amount is 2,256l. 1s. 2d.—this is the banker's passbook—it does not show all the business transactions—it contains his private account—the balance at the end of 1881 is 1,308l. 7s. (The book was handed to the Jury, who stated that 1,308l. 7s. was a balance brought forward, and the balance to the prisoner's credit was 2l. 19s. 3d.)

—Moran's agreement was before my time—it is an agreement for putting 500l. into the business—some letters were written about it—there was a fair amount of business as a loan office—the profits were very large, averaging from 100l. to 120l. per cent. per annum—I am acquainted with other loan offices—I know they are described as banks—the Charing Cross Deposit Bank is described as the Charing Cross Deposit Bank, Registered; it is a loan office; I do not know it personally—I know the National Advance Bank, Registered, not personally—I know the National Deposit Bank, Tavistock Street, the London Deposit Bank, Kennington Road, and the National Deposit Bank in Russell Street, by name—the chemist's business was homoeopathic and allopathic; it was a very large business—the defendant devoted himself to the loan office—I managed the bill of sale business to a certain extent—I understand it is a loan office business—the bills of sale are taken as security for the loans—I heard Mr. Bodger's evidence—he was employed writing circulars from the Yorkshire Directory—I never played at draughts—I have seen a chessboard there—I put 60l. into the business, 10l. as premium and 50l. as an investment—I have not made out a profit and loss account.

Cross-examined. The date of the last loan is 31st December, 1881; the next before that December 12th—one is for 2l., the other for 5l.—the next was Joseph Brown, 5l.; Duncan McLean, 40l.; and James Jennings a promissory note which is not put in, 20l.; Mr. Dunn, 8l.; Mr. Horn, 15l.; Mr. Bull, 5l.; and Mr. George Robey, 5l.—those are after 19th November—the word Bank" was on the outside of the premises.

HERBERT FRANK TOMPKINS . I live at Roseberry, Balham—I have been in the defendant's employ—in March last I saw an advertisement, in consequence of which I wrote to the defendant—he replied, and I went to 27, Philip Road—there was a chemist's shop in a part of the premises—from the exterior I should take it to be the loan office—I remained in the defendant's employ from last March till January this year—I saw the window produced about October or November—I invested 200l., the negotiations for which came to a conclusion on 18th March, 1881—the defendant told me the 300l. was to be used in his business of granting loans upon various securities—on November 18th I made a further deposit with the defendant for 150l.—I knew he used the word "Bank" at the time—I attended at the office from 10 till 6, except two or three days in the week, when I remained till 9 o'clock, sometimes later, to take repayments on account of loans—I also kept the books with Mr. Rose—I had access to this ledger produced, and to another ledger, ledger B—I should judge it was a genuine loan office business—I believe two or three clerks in the defendant's employ were paid off, and their deposits returned—I know a loan office from which a friend of mine has had a loan that is called a bank—the security was on furniture—I did not see the bill of sale—I received some bills of sale which were given on furniture by people who borrowed money of this office to the extent of 100l.

Cross-examined. The securities I have from the defendant would realise about 200l.—in consideration of the advance I received the situation—I was supposed to get it back when I demanded it—I have not had my 450l. back yet—the securities given to me are to be collected by those who hold them, and not under the bankruptcy—I lose 350l. by him—the 150l. was advanced for an increase of salary—my salary was 12l. per month—it was increased 4l. per month—I got my salary up to within

the last month—before I was a clerk the defendant said he required 300l. odd as security.

Re-examined. The agreement says it was an investment; that was the fact.

THOMAS WILLIAM SMITH . I am an auctioneer and estate agent, of Stephen's Road, Balham—I have known the prisoner between two and three years; I have acted as his auctioneer on several occasions—his business was money lending and a chemist's business—I should say it was a good business—I have done business with him in various ways, held sales for him, and seen to enforcements—I know the premises at Philip Road—I know loan offices that carry on business as a bank—I have not had personal dealings with them—I have personally dealt with the National Mercantile Bank, Russell Street, Covent Garden—the Union Deposit Bank in Tavistock Street is a loan office, and I know a number of others—I had a conversation with Fuller a few days before the first hearing at the policecourt outside the Court—I said, "Mr. Fuller, what are you doing here?"—he said, "Oh, I have come about Williams's matter"—I said," Williams's matter, in what way is that?"—he said, "Haven't you heard? I have taken out a summons for obtaining money under false pretences"—I said," Indeed, how is that?"—he said," I have been advised to do so"—I said," By whom?"—he said," Some friends of mine"—I said, "For what reason, false pretences?"—he said," I believe, and my friends also believe, that Mr. Williams has money, and that if pressure is put upon him I shall recover the money I have lost, "or" have advanced, "that was the effect of it.

Cross-examined. It was on a Saturday; no one else was present—I swear to those words—I am the man who took possession of Williams's premises.

EBENEZER SEAR . I am a tradesman, and live at Peckham—I have known the defendant for about three years, and am well acquainted with the exterior of his place of business—in my judgment it was a moneylending business—I have had business transactions with him to the extent of 1l. per week, altogether to about 300l.—I have frequently cashed cheques and postoffice orders for him—I should judge his business was genuine—he did not consult me upon putting up the word" Bank. "

Evidence in Reply. GEORGE FULLER (Re-examined). I did not make the whole of the statement Smith speaks to—he said" Fuller, what are you doing here?"—I said" I have come to see if the summons has been issued on Mr. Williams"—that is all I said—I did not say I was there to put pressure on him—I told the Magistrate that the reason I moved in this matter was because I wished to see the man punished.

GUILTY . He received a good character.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

454. JOHN BURKE (17) , Feloniously and violently (in Middlesex ) assaulting John Samuel Clay, and stealing his chain.

MR. BAYLIS Prosecuted; MR. KEITH FRITH Defended.

JOHN SAMUEL CLAY . I live at 49, Bartholomew Road, Kentish Town—on 8th February I was going up Great St. Andrew's Street, between 12 and 12.20—suddenly three lads appeared before me, one of whom, on the lefthand side, was either pushed or rushed towards me—at the same

time I received a blowon my mouth and on my nose—the prisoner, was with them, but I do not think he touched me—I was knocked down, my chain was taken from me, and a bunch of keys and a knife, and my spectacles were knocked off my face—I got up, crossed the road, and spoke to Policeman 62 E—that was about 30 yards before I came to the Dials—the policeman was standing on the Dials—my lip was cut and my nose damaged—I was examined by the divisional surgeon.

Cross-examined. I had been at work early and met a friend—I had some ale, aiterwards some tea, and after that twopennyworth of whisky—the prisoner was placed with eight others at the station; one other resembled him—he is a stranger to me—I did not pick out another lad, I simply made the remark "You are like him"—I believe he was wearing a deerstalker hat—I asked him to take it off his head at the policestation, because he wore it at the back of his head when I was assaulted. Re-examined. I have no doubt the prisoner is one of the persons who assaulted me.

WILLIAM BANNELL (Policeman 62 E). On 9th February about 12.20 a. m. I was standing in Seven Dials—Clay spoke to me and pointed to three men who had run across the road—the prisoner is one—he was on the right of the other two—I have known the prisoner between two and three years—the witness pointed him out—there was a good light from two publichouses.

ALBERT GREGORY (Detective E). On 15th February I arrested the prisoner—I said "I shall take you into custody for being concerned with two others in knocking a man down and attempting to steal his chain and watch"—he said "I will go with you"—I walked across the road with him, when I was surrounded by 15 or 20 of his companions, who took hold of my legs and threw me to the ground—I was kicked by the prisoner, struck in the face, and the prisoner was dragged from my custody—this was near Seven Dials.

Cross-examined. I said before the Magistrate that I was kicked, but it was not taken down—I did not correct it because I thought it was not important.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate." I am guilty of the first charge, stealing the purse, but I am not guilty of the charge made by Mr. Clay."


He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony in January, 1881, at Clerkenwell, in the name of Charles Devonport. See next case.

455. JOHN BURKE was again indicted for stealing 1s. 8 1/2 d., the moneys of Thomas Howe, from the person of Laura Howe, to which he

PLEADED GUILTY .— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

456. CATHERINE HARRIS (48) and MATILDA IDEN (21) , Unlawfully uttering a medal resembling a sovereign, in figure and colour, but of less value. Second Count attempting to obtain 19s. 7d. by false pretences.

MR. HORACE AVORY Prosecuted; MR. CHARLES MATHEWS defended Iden.

FRANK SHELLY . I am barman at the Castle, Old Kent Road—on 20th February, about 11 a. m., Iden came in with a woman, not Harris—they called for two glasses of rum hot—I served them, and saw a Hanover coin on the counter—I said "What have you got there? have you got

another coin besides that?"—Iden then put down a sixpence, and I gave her a penny change, picked up the coin, and asked her if she played at cards with it—she put it in her teeth and said "You can't break it"—it was like this (produced)—I saw it last in Iden's possession—they drank they rum and left, and in about half an hour Harris, Iden, and the other woman came and paid for what they had with good money—Iden had been drinking, but appeared to know what she was doing.

HENRY HOARE . I am barman at the Green Man, Old Kent Road, about 200 yards from the Castle—on 20th February, about 12 o'clock, the two prisoners and another woman came in—Harris called for a quartern of rum—I served her, and saw a Hanoverian medal on the counter—I did not see which of them put it there—I picked it up and said "Do you know what this is?"—Harris said "No"—I said "It is a Hanover medal; it is no good," and she said "We found it"—I put it on the counter, but did not see which of them took it up—it was just like this—Harris paid for the rum with good money.

ROSE ELLIS . I am barmaid at the Dun Cow, Old Kent Road, exactly opposite the Green Man—on 20th February, at 12 o'clock, the prisoners came in, and Iden asked for a quartern of rum, and put a Hanover medal on the counter—I told her it was not good—she paid me with 5d. in coppers, and said that she had taken it from a pawnbroker with a shilling—I gave it back to her, and advised her to take it back to him, and she said she would, and she smiled as if it was a joke—this is it; I marked it at the station.

Cross-examined. I do not think it was wilfully done—I gave no information.

JAMES ELLIOTT (Policeman M 138). I received information on 20th February, and saw the prisoners at 1 o'clock at the Alderminster Road—I said "You have been trying to pass a bad sovereign; you must return with me to the Dun Cow"—Harris said "I am going home; I live in Marcia Road"—they went on; Loughman joined me; we followed them to 13, Marcia Road; Iden went upstairs; I stopped Harris at the door, and told the constable to detain her; I called Iden to come down; she would not, and I fetched her, and said "Mrs. Harris is detained downstairs; you were with her trying to pass a bad sovereign at the Dun Cow"—she said "If you are her husband you had better give it to her," pulling a purse out and giving me this Hanoverian medal from it—I was in plain clothes—I took her in custody; she said "I may as well tell you the truth; don't lock me up; the elder one gave it me, and we have been in the Castle, and the Green Man, and the Dun Cow, and they would not take it; don't lock me up, for God's sake, for it will ruin my father"—they had been drinking, but knew what they were doing—Iden said that her young man had given her a ring, and she had pledged it at a pawnbroker's, and met Harris there.

Cross-examined by MR. MATHEWS. When I went upstairs Iden was sitting on some rags; it was going to the station; she said "If you want it the elder woman gave it me"—she was confused and under the influence of drink—she said "I will tell you the truth; I have been out of place; my young man gave me a ring and I pawned it, and met her at the pawnshop, and they gave me this, and I paid for the drink with my own money; after they said it was not a sovereign"—Harris said "My husband found it and gave it to me."

Re-examined. She said that to the other constable—they both walked to the station.

FREDERICK LONGMAN (Policeman N 76). I saw the prisoners in the Dun Cow, and spoke to Elliott; we followed them to 13, Marcia Road; I took Harris at the door, and told her she would be charged with trying to pass a bad sovereign at the Dun Cow; she said "I am sorry; my husband found it and gave it me this morning; I gave it to the woman and she tried to pass it at two publichouses; finding it was bad we paid for the drink with good money"—I took her to the station.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This coin is a Hanover medal, and of less value than a farthing.

The Prisoners' Statements before the Magistrate. Harris says: "I thought it was a pocket piece; I never intended to pass it; I did not call for drink." Iden says: "I had some drink; it made me stupid, and I did not know what I was doing."

Harris's Defence. My husband picked, it up and gave it me. I put it on a counter at two publichouses, but they would not take it. Iden put it in her purse, and I saw no more of it. I have worked twenty years at the Pimlico Stores.

The prisoners received good characters.


457. STEPHEN PERCIYAL (34) PLEADED GUILTY to burglariously breaking and entering the dwellinghouse of Emily Bunker and stealing a brooch and 2l. 5s., her property, and 7 teaspoons and other articles, the property of Joseph Bunker.— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

Before Mr. Recorder.

458. SAMUEL BROTHERHOOD (24) , Feloniously wounding Alice Hart, with intent to do her grievous bodily harm.

MESSRS. POLAND and GILL Prosecuted.

ALICE HART . I am a widow and a machinist, of 144, Union Street—I have known the prisoner two years, and lived with him on and off four months—on Monday, 13th March, I went home at 9 o'clock; he asked me why I did not return before; he was cross and struck me, and I hit him back; he went on his knees and said he would do seven years for me that night; he followed me to the street and hit me; I went to the Anchor publichouse and stayed there half an hour; a man named Reynolds was there; I came out with him at 10 minutes to 12; as we passed the top of Norfolk Place the prisoner rushed from a turning with a knife in his hand; I put up my arm to save myself, and was stabbed in my arm; I fell, and he ran away—I went to the station and my arm was dressed—I saw the prisoner there and charged him with stabbing me—he said he meant killing me—I was shown this knife, which had been in our room; it was a table knife, but has been filed to a point—four weeks before this I was in the Anchor, and the prisoner threw this card to me (produced)

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I had promised to return at 7 o'clock that night, but could not get home—I was not drunk—I was not living with Reynolds then, but I did before; I had returned to live with you on Thursday, and lived with you till this happened.

JOSEPH REYNOLDS . I am a lighterman—on 13th March, at 11.35, I was in the Anchor when the prosecutrix came in; she asked for my protection,

and I left with her; the prisoner came out from a dark turning and stabbed her, under the gas lamp; she fell and he made two stabs at me—I hit him with my stick, and he ran away—I knocked the knife from his hand, which saved my life—I called "Police!" and he was taken.

Cross-examined. I have a wife and married daughter—I lived with the prosecutrix in Snow's Fields for 12 months as Mr. and Mrs. Reynolds.

ALFRED NASH (Policeman L 221). I was on duty, heard a cry of "Stop thief!" and saw the prisoner running up Marlborough Street—I chased him and took him—I said "What did you do it for?" he said "I hope I have settled her"—I took him to the station—a knife was brought there, and he said" That is what I did it with"—he was in a very excitable state, but I don't think he had been drinking—he tried to throw me in John Street.

Cross-examined. You did not give yourself into my hands, you tried to get away.

JOHN TIFFANY (Policeman L 230). On 13th March, about 10.12, I picked up this knife in John Street West—I took it to the station and showed it to the prisoner; he said "That is what I did it with. "

CHARLES CORBETT BLADES (Divisional Surgeon). I examined the prosecutrix at the station and found a clean cut, from half to threequarters of an inch long, and about half an inch deep, on the outer part of her left arm—she had lost a great deal of blood—it might have been inflicted with this knife—I dressed it, but have not attended to it since.

The prisoner, in his statement before the Magistrate, and in his defence, admitted stabbing the prosecutrix to frighten her, but with no intention of injuring her, and said that he had sharpened the knife as a glazier's tool, and that she called him bad names and threatened to bring Reynolds under his nose.

GUILTY* of unlawfully wounding .— Six Months' Hard Labour.

459. WILLIAM DENBEIGH (15), and PERCY GREEN (15) PLEADED GUILTY to a burglary in the dwellinghouse of John Masters, and stealing 12s . They received good characters.— Judgment respited.

460. JOHN DAVIS (31) and JOHN GREEN (49) , Robbery with violence on George Roberts, and stealing a watch, chain, key, and 6d .


GEORGE ROBERTS . I am a gardener at 34, Perrier Street, Wandsworth—on the night of 3rd March I met the prisoners at the Cedar Tree publichouse, at Putney—I did not know them before—I afterwards went with them to the Bull, at Wandsworth, and we had some drink there—they induced me to go to the Winning Post, in South Street—we had no drink there, I left directly; they followed me out, or we came out together; we walked for 70 or 100 yards up the road, then Green deliberately turned round and struck me one blow in the mouth and one in the face—I directly missed my watch and chain; I had seen it safe about 10 minutes before—Green went away, and Davis came up to me in a fighting attitude—I called" Police!" at the top of my voice, and a constable appeared and took them into custody—after they were charged at the station I went back with the constable and saw my watch found about 15 or 20 yards from where I was struck—this is it (produced).

Cross-examined by Davis. You were about two yards from me when I

missed my watch—you did not strike me, I guarded you off—the inspector did not tell me I was drunk—I had had four or five glasses of beer during the day.

Cross-examined by Green. I had no whisky—I did not toss you for liquor, we paid half and half—I was not drunk—I did not fall down and cut my knuckles, and Davis did not pick me up—I was not quarrelling with a tall man.

CHARLES HALLETT . I am a corndealer, of 9, South Street, Wandsworth—on the night of 3rd March I was about 100 yards down the road, I heard cries of "Police!" and "Murder!"—I ran up and saw the constable with the two prisoners in charge—he called on me to lend him assistance—I found 6d. and part of a key on the ground—I afterwards saw the constable find a watch in a garden—the prisoners and prosecutor were all a little the worse for drink, not drunk and not sober.

JOHN TUCK (Policeman V R 14). About a quarter past 12 on the night of the 3rd March I saw the prosecutor and prisoners together in South Street—about a quarter past twelve I saw them pass, and soon after I heard cries of "Police!" and "Murder!"—I ran up and found the prosecutor in the road—he said he had been assaulted and robbed—I saw the two prisoners leave him as I came up the road—they ran up Brazier's Court, which is no thoroughfare—as I ran up they turned and met me—I laid hold of one in each hand—the prosecutor came up and said "Those are the two men who assaulted and robbed me of my watch and chain, I will charge them"—Green said "What's up, old pal?"——the prosecutor said again "I will charge these men with assaulting and robbing me"—Davis said" What, charge two innocent men?"—I took them to the station—the watch was found about 20 or 25 yards from where the prosecutor complained to me, near the spot where I took the prisoners.

The prisoners in defence stated that the prosecutor was drunk, and denied taking the watch.

GUILTY .— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

461. DANIEL JORDAN (15) , Feloniously wounding Eliza Burke, with intent to do grievous bodily harm.


ELIZA BURKE . I am single, and live at 4, Alfred's Place, Bermondsey—about 6.30 on Saturday evening, 11th March, I was engaged in a quarrel with the prisoner's sister in Salisbury Street; we came to blows—while we were struggling together the prisoner came out of the house with a belt in his hand—Mary Downey tried to take it from him, and took his cap off his head—after that I felt blood running down my back—I felt a blow, but do not know who it was by—I went to the station and was seen by a doctor.

MARY DOWNEY . I am the wife of James Downey, 18, Matilda Place, Salisbury Street—I had a row with the prisoner's sister, and then the last witness and the sister had a fight—I saw the prisoner in the row, with a little leather belt in his band—I said "Don't hit her with that belt"—he said" I ain't agoing to; there are three on to my sister"—there were two, not three—I tried to take the belt from him—I did not get it; he went away—about five minutes afterwards the prosecutrix came over to me and said "I am cut"—the prisoner was not there then—I did not see him do anything.

ROBERT FULLER (Policeman M 384). I took the prisoner into custody—I told him it was for stabbing a woman—he said "I don't care, all I have done was with the belt, I was not going to see six or seven on to my sister"—he afterwards said "I will tell you the truth, I did it with a small whitehandled knife; I then went to the back of her house and threw the knife away"—I searched for the knife, but did not find it.

BENJAMIN BROWNING . I am a surgeon, of 70, Union Road, Rotherhithe—I saw the prosecutrix at the station, bleeding from a punctured wound in the upper part of the back, half an inch long and threequarters of an inch deep, such as a knife might inflict, not a penknife, but a broader blade—it had been dealt with force; her clothes were cut through—she was bleeding a great deal, but I did not consider it a dangerous wound; it had struck the bladebone, or it would have gone right into the lung—she is nearly well now.

The Prisoner called—

ELIZABETH JORDAN . I am the prisoner's sister—I was fighting with Eliza Burke and her sister Ellen, and Mrs. Downey was helping her—they were all three on to me—it is an old grudge—I did not see the prisoner do anything; he is a quiet, peaceable lad—when he saw them all on to me he naturally took my part—he told the policeman it was the belt that did it—he said, "I was cutting my belt with a penknife; I don't know what I did; I don't know whether I dropped the knife, or what I did with it."

GUILTY of unlawfully wounding. Recommended to mercy on account of his youth and the provocation .— Discharged on his own recognisance.

462. JAMES SMITHERS (39) , Feloniously forging and uttering a request for the delivery of goods.

MR. GEOGHEGAN Prosecuted; MR. DE MICHELE Defended.

The prosecutor stating that he had given the prisoner (his cousin) authority to dispose of the articles to a customer to whom the request was addressed, MR. GEOGHEGAN withdrew from the prosecution.


463. MARY ROONEY (57) , Stealing a hearthrug and carpet of William Wright. Second Count for receiving.



JOHN FREDERICK ALLEN (a prisoner), I first became acquainted with the prisoner in the early part of November last, when I took her servant home drunk one night from two policemen—I went round the next morning to ask how the servant was, and she told me—she gave me 2d. to get a drop of beer—she then showed me some new mats, which she had rolled up in a bundle in the shop, and asked me if I could get her any like them, or any of that description, and if I could, she would buy them of me—two or three days after that I took her two pictures and two card plates, such as are hung up in coffee shops, and she gave me 1s. 6d. for them—she then said any time I could get her anything not to forget her, but to bring them round to her, she did not mind what it was so long as they were new—on 8th November I met a man, named Ashley, and had some conversation with him, and on the 11th I went with him out Catford way—I was out with a distillery cart, and I picked Ashley up—he had two mats, which he told me came from out Catford way—I did not see where he stole

them from—I went with him to White Street, right opposite where the prisoner lives—I remained outside, and Ashley took the two mats in, and sold them for 1s. 6d.; he gave me 9d.—they were new mats—between 8 and 9 on the evening of the 25th December I was at 108, Snow's Fields, Bermondsey with Mrs. Dutton and one of her companions—Mrs. Dutton had a shawl on outside a shop occupied by Mrs. Salter; it had been hanging in a room adjoining Mrs. Salter's shop—I did not see Mrs. Dutton take it, but when she came out she had it on—we all three went to a publichouse, and I went home with Mrs. Dutton—in the morning Mrs. Salter's little boy came round for his mother's shawl—I had sold it to the prisoner for 8s.—Mrs. Dutton gave it me, and a little coat with it—this is the shawl (produced)—on 3rd January I went with Ashley down to New Cross, and I saw him bring a mat away from a house between 6 and 7 o'clock—this is the mat—he had another one besides that—we went to the prisoner's shop, and sold it—he took it in and came out without it—he did not give me any money that day—I saw him steal the mat from the door—about the 22nd or 23rd February I was in the neighbourhood of the Crystal Palace, with Ashley, near Penge, and I saw him take from a furniture shop two new rugs, a piece of carpet, and a looking glass—I carried them home for him, and went to the prisoner's shop—she gave me 3s. for the two rugs—the piece of carpet was not paid for till next day—she asked me to get the other piece to match it, and she would pay for the two together—I think she gave me 1s. 6d. for the lookingglass, but I won't be certain—next morning I went with Ashley to the same furniture shop, and he brought away a piece of carpet to match the other—the prisoner I think gave 5s. for the two pieces—Ashley took it in.

Cross-examined. Ashley did not go in with the two rugs and the carpet; he did not like to go in, because they were new—I went in, and sold them—he went to the shop door, but did not go in—I daresay the prisoner could see him, because he was close by the door; he had one foot inside and one out—I am now under a term of imprisonment through this woman and her associates; it is bad company that has brought me to what I am now; I was convicted and sentenced to twelve months' hard labour for stealing lead, the property of the School Board, but I was not guilty of it—I have had one other misfortune, through doing a good turn to other people—it was not for felony—I pleaded guilty to it—it was for putting a black coat upon a man to bury his wife; I had six months for it; that was in January last year—I was not convicted at Woolwich for stealing fowls; it was for being in possession of one dead fowl; that was a tidy while back; I don't hold the dates in my head—I was not convicted at Maidstone in 1881 on two charges of felony, and sentenced to two months; it was at Cranbrook, for the unlawful possession of a shovel—I was not convicted at Shepton Mallet—I was in regular employment for two years; I left it; I went back last Christmas—I declined before the Magistrate to say who my master was, more for the sake of my parents than anything else; my poor old father has been there over 30 years; I was in that place when I was convicted of the coat, and my master took me back when I came out—I have been a soldier; I left the army in 1876—it must have been in the early part of December when I took the prisoner's servant home; when I went the next morning I told the prisoner I had been a soldier; she told me her son had been or was a soldier—I did not tell her that I was a dealer, and that I made my living by buying lots of

goods at auctions and selling them at a profit; I never told her so—I did not tell her that I had bought some things at an auction and could not get them without having the money to pay for them; I did not ask her for money to get the goods away; I wrote to her and asked her for the loan of a shilling or two, and sent her four or five pawntickets to lend it upon; she did lend me one or two shillings; it was not to go to a sale with—this is the note I wrote. (Read: "Will you be kind enough to give this lad 2s. tonight, as I am unable to come myself, as I have got a large quantity of things for you, which I will be round with tomorrow, having hardly got enough money to pay for them. ") I did not borrow money of her to take out goods from the auction—I sent her this letter. (Read: "19th January, 1882. Dear Mother,—Oblige me with a loan of 5s. on these tickets of mine till this evening. I have about 2l. of goods for you, which I will bring round this evening and square all. I have got the other piece which you spoke to me about yesterday morning, four yards; it is the same as the other. Give the money to this lad. ") I did not tell the prisoner when I took her the first piece of carpet that I could get a piece to match it; she said if I could get the other piece she would have it for her own use—this note (produced) is not my writing—I told the prisoner that the two card plates were my property—they were given to me by Mrs. Dutton—I sold them and spent the money for her—I did not tell the prisoner that the shawl was my own property; I was not asked the question—I did not put the shawl on Mrs. Dutton's back—she did not ask me where I got it, nor did I say "Don't ask questions when you have a present"—she knew whose shawl it was—I did not say "Old girl, I have been a long time promising you a present and here it is at last"—I did not say next day that I had taken it away in a daunken lark, and we had better take it back—I went with her to a publichouse, and I left her there when I went to sell the shawl, and I did not see her afterwards for a month—I know a man named Gridley—I told him that Mrs. Salter said she would kill him for taking away the shawl—he said that he did not care, that he did not take it—I did not give Ashley's name and address; I did not know it, or I would have done it—he told me he had got two or three names—I told the police whereabouts he was lodging, in the Borough—I don't know whether he is here—I swear that he was with me when we went down to Penge—the prisoner knew him, for he had been in her shop—I was charged by Mrs. Salter with stealing the shawl, but the inspector would not take the charge—I don't expect to get a more lenient sentence for giving my evidence against the prisoner; I have been sentenced—the reason I gave information was that I was so deeply led into crime by two or three of them that I thought I would put a stop to it—if I had not been instigated by this woman and other people I should never have been brought to what I am now—if she had not bought the things of Ashley and me I should not have known where to take them to; not only that, that man had taken things to her before—there were 23 mats which she bought, which the police found, and other property besides—nine mats were taken to her shop one night.

WILLIAM WRIGHT . I live at Thicket House, Anerley Road, Penge, and am a furniture dealer—these two rugs and these pieces of carpet

are my property, and were in my possession at the end of December last—I looked through my stock and missed them—they are worth 10s. 6d.

Cross-examined. That is about the intrinsic value of them.

CHARLOTTE WEST . I am in the service of Mr. Beer, of Catford Hill—on the 11th December I lost a mat from outside the front door—to the best of my belief this is it—it is worth 15s. to 17s.

TAMSEN SALTER . I am the wife of William Salter of 128, Snow's Fields, Bermendsey—this shawl is mine—I lost it about 8.30 on the evening of 25th December—it was hanging on a door in my parlour—I missed it about 7.30 next morning—it was worth five guineas when I bought it 11 years ago, but it is not worth much now.

Cross-examined. It is scarcely any good at all now, being worn a great deal since I lost it—Mrs. Dutton took care of my lad for a short time on Christmas Day—she has done a little work for me now and then—I charged Allen with stealing my shawl—Mrs. Dutton said she could prove that he took it, and likewise George Gridley—I received a note from Allen, in consequence of which I went and saw his mother to ask for my shawl and coat—I did not get it—I never told Allen that I would kill Gridley for stealing my shawl—I never accused Gridley of stealing it—it was on my parlour door inside the shop on Christmas morning and the child's topcoat with it.

ALBERT BLOCKET . I live at Ashdown, Catford—on 11th November I lost a doormat from outside my front door—I saw it safe at 4.30 p. m., and missed it about 6.30—this is it; it is worth about 1l.

Cross-examined. I had only had it about three months.

MARIA BALL. I am servant to Sarah Smith, of 275, Queen's Road, New Cross—some time in January I missed a mat from outside the front door at 9 o'clock—it was there at 6.30—this is it, I suppose.

Cross-examined. It is worth about 3s.—I know it because it is a little worn, at the edge, but I am not quite positive about it.

THOMAS FRANCIS (Police Sergeant R). On 9th February I received information, went to the prisoner's shop in Long Lane, Bermondsey, told her I was a police officer, and had received information that she had bought some mats during the last few months—she said "Yes, I have them here in the shop"—I found 13 doormats and two hearthrugs, and among them the three mats and one hearthrug identified, but the cases have not all been gone into—she was wearing this shawl, which has been identified as stolen—when she came up on remand I told her that I wanted the shawl which had been stolen—she made no answer.

Cross-examined. One or two mats were exposed in the shop; the others were behind things.

HENRY GOODWIN (Police Sergeant R). On the evening of 9th February, after the prisoner was in custody and the mats removed, I returned to the shop, made a further search, and found this piece of carpet at the farther end of the shop, partly covered with rubbish, such as would be in a secondhand or marinestore dealer's shop—I told the prisoner next morning about the tarpaulin and other things which I had taken away—she said they were all tally goods except the mats.

Witnesses for the Defence.

SARAH MARY DUTTON . I am the wife of Benjamin Dutton, of 12, Crosby Alley, Long Lane, Bermondsey—I know Mrs. Allen—on Christmas Day I was engaged by Mr. Harrington in Snow's Fields, and while there Mrs. Salter came in and asked me to put her place straight—

I went home to my dinner, then went back to Mrs. Salter's, and went home again, and took her little boy with me to keep till next morning, but about 10 or 10.30 Allen, who had called, persuaded me to take him home, and I did so, and took him upstairs and put him to bed, leaving Mrs. Salter, Frederick Allen, and George Gridley downstairs, and when I came down they were standing at the door—I said "I am off"—Allen said" Wait a minute and have a glass"—I said "No," and went outside and waited till he came out—George Gridley joined me first—Allen put the shawl across my shoulders, and said" There you are, old girl, there is something to keep you warm"—I said" What is it?"—he said" Never mind; when you have anything given you you should not ask any questions; here is the present I promised you"—he remained at my house that night, I am sorry to say; my husband was then in the infirmary; he has been out since—next morning Allen said he would take the shawl back—he went out, and returned in about threequarters of an hour, and said Mrs. Salter was very pleased to get her shawl back—he then left, and I did not see him again for five weeks—he did not give me any money for the shawl—I have known Allen about six years—my husband went to the workhouse when the relieving officer came and fetched him on the Thursday before Christmas, and Allen, commenced living with me the next night; Christmas night—Allen was not in the place when my husband was taken away; he went on the cab and took my husband to the workhouse, but I did not know he was on the cab till we got there.

GEORGE GRIDLEY . I am a mat maker, of 14, Mint Street, Borough—I was in the company of Mrs. Dutton and Allen, on Christmas evening at Mr. Salter's shop—Allen and I came out of a house, and went into Salter's, and I saw Allen take something off a nail on the door, but I could not say what it was—I did not notice whether Mrs. Dutton had a shawl on when she went into Salter's, but she had one after she came out—I saw her by the Rose publichouse with a shawl on—Allen called at my place of business the next day.

MARY ELIZABETH HANBURY . I am the wife of George Hanbury, of 46, Long Lane, Bermondsey—I have known the prisoner several months; she is a general dealer—she has sold goods to me, and she lets persons pay so much a week.

The Rev. John Murray, of the Charter House, and several other persons gave the prisoner an excellent character.

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

464. ELIZABETH HIDER (27) PLEADED GUILTY to feloniously marrying Thomas James Flack during the life of her husband.— Fourteen Days' Hard Labour. And

465. KATE CASTLING (23) to unlawfully wounding Robert Howes.— Four Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]