Old Bailey Proceedings, 13th December 1886.
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A star (*) denotes that prisoner's have been previously in custody—two stars (**) that they have been more than once in custody—a dagger (†) that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.


OLD COURT.—Monday, December 13th, 1886.

Before Mr. Recorder.

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66. ERIC ORLOFF PETERSEN (26) , Feloniously wounding Sophia Raby, with intent to do her grievous bodily harm.

MR. A. METCALFE Prosecuted; MR. SALTER Defended.

SOPHIA RABY . I live with my husband at 1, Victoria Place, Shadwell—on the morning of 20th November I was at 5, Victoria Place, a friend's house—I got back home between twenty minutes to 1 and 1 o'clock—we occupy the whole house—I had left nobody there, but had left the door ajar—when I came in I saw the prisoner and another young man, a sailor, in the downstairs parlour—there was no woman there—I said "Young man, what are you doing there?"—he said "I think I came here with a young woman"—I said "You have made a mistake, you have come into the wrong house"—the prisoner looked perfectly sober; the other man was very drunk—the prisoner made no answer, so I laid my baby on the bed and said "You have made a mistake"—he drew a white-handled knife out of his trousers pocket and opened it and put it right through the upper part of my left arm—I saw the knife quite plain in his hand—I said "Oh, young man, you have stabbed me, "and I ran back to 5, Victoria Terrace, where a young man lay dead—I told my husband, who was there, that I was stabbed—I remained there, but hearing screams from the direction of my house I ran back there and saw my husband lying on the floor, and the prisoner was jobbing a knife in his shoulder and left side, I think he got four or five stabs in the back—I called three or four men to take him to the hospital—the prisoner ran out—I afterwards saw him taken into custody.

Cross-examined. The prisoner said he thought he had come there with two girls, not that he came there with one—I had been with my husband

at No. 5, staying there with a woman whose husband was dead—three or four single women live at No. 1, each in a different room; the house is not a brothel, but quite a respectable house—there has never been to my knowledge complaints of violence to sailors or to the police about this house, or of robberies of sailors—I have lived there three months; my husband had been there all the time—I was in trouble for assault once when I was innocent, and twice when guilty—I have never been accused of robbing sailors—the prisoner did not try to stop me when I went away—when I went in and asked what he was doing there, the prisoner spoke quite civilly and said "I think I and my friend came here with two girls"—I said "I think you have made a mistake," and on that he got up, opened his knife, and stabbed me in my arm—I then went to fetch my husband—in two minutes my husband came back—he ran out as fast as he could when I said I was stabbed—when I was in the room there was nobody else there but the prisoner and his shipmate and my baby, who was asleep on the bed—I left my baby and went for my husband, who came to save it—I gave the prisoner no provocation—I believe he stabbed his friend—a doctor said his friend was wounded—I never said anything before about his stabbing his friend—I have not since threatened the friend, I have not seen him, nor has my husband since we were before the Magistrate—my husband was on the ground quite helpless when the prisoner was stabbing him—I saw no struggle—immediately after the prisoner ran from the house down the street as fast as he could; I did not take my eyes off him from the time of his stabbing my husband till he ran down the street.

Re-examined. I do not know the friend's name.

EDWARD RABY . On 20th November I was at No. 5, Victoria Place with my wife—we had only left an old woman upstairs at our house—my wife went home a little after 1 o'clock, and after about five minutes she came running back, saying she was stabbed in the arm—she was bleeding down her wrist—I went back to fetch the baby—I went into the room we occupied; the prisoner was behind the door—he stabbed me in the chest—I turned round quick; he shut the door—I struggled with him—I went down to get hold of his legs, and he stabbed me four times in the back and shoulder—I tossed him over my shoulder, opened the door, and got out—I could just see the white handle of a knife—two or three men took me to the hospital, where I am being attended to now.

Cross-examined. Another man was in the room, with the prisoner, sitting on a chair; the old woman was also in the room—he had not injured the old woman, nor the baby, nor his friend that I know of—I saw him make no attack on his friend—the prisoner ran out of the room directly after me—I was kneeling on the ground while he stabbed me in the back—I fell on the ground, and then I got up quick and opened the door—I left the room first—I felt very faint, but I threw him over my back; a chair was in his way—the old woman, the prisoner, and the prisoner's friend were in the room at the time; nobody else was in the house—he did not pursue me down the street—I saw him run along the top of the street—I spoke to a young fellow, who said he would run after him.

ELIZABETH SCOTT . I live at 1, Victoria Place, Shadwell—on the morning of 20th November I was at the top of the house—I first saw

the prisoner about 1 o'clock or a little after; I had not let him in—I heard somebody downstairs, and saw the prisoner and another—I asked what they wanted—they said they did not want me—the missus was out; I told them I would call her; they would not go out—the prisoner stabbed Raby and then his wife, and a young: woman broke the window and put the baby out of the window, or else he was going to cut its head off—I sent for the wife, and waited till she came—Raby came in first; they both came in together—I had the baby upstairs—I went to take it upstairs—the husband laid it on the bed—he was crying out "The baby, the baby," when I went downstairs—I was downstairs in that room when the wife came in; the husband came in after the wife—a young woman broke the window and put the baby through—I put the baby through the window—the prisoner stabbed me through the arm and breast; he did not say anything when he did it—I was frightened—I was examined by a doctor.

Cross-examined. Only Raby and his wife, I and my husband live at 1, Victoria Place; that is all; no women, live there except I and Mrs. Raby—I swear they have two young men lodgers, no one else—I never saw it as anything but a respectable house—I don't know if I was the first to discover the prisoner there—I saw the prisoner and another seafaring man there—no one else was in the room when I went downstairs—I had the baby upstairs till they came down—I brought it down and gave it to the mother—Raby came in first, and then the wife—I was present and saw the whole thing—the husband was not above a couple of yards or a yard in front of the wife—the husband said "You have made a mistake; you are in the wrong house; you had better go out"—the prisoner got out the knife, and said he should not go out—Raby said "You had better go out, my friend"—the prisoner did not seem to be drunk—he stabbed Raby first in Mrs. Raby's presence, and then he stabbed Mrs. Raby—he stabbed me—he did not stab the baby, but, he said he would cut its head off; that made a young woman break the window to get the baby out—then the prisoner ran away down the street—I have never been in trouble for assault, nor for robbing sailors—I have been in this house about 11 months—nothing has occurred during the time I have been there to lead me to believe it was a house in winch a respectable woman should not live.

JOHN BRYAN . I am going on for 15—I live at 8, Victoria Place—on the night of the 19th, or the morning of the 20th, I heard cries of "Murder!" and I rushed to No. 1, and as I passed the window I saw the prisoner, who had Raby on the ground, jobbing a knife into him—I pushed the door open with my foot; he made a job at me; I ran out—the prisoner ran down the street; his chest was open—he came at me—I flung a stone at him, and stopped him; he made off again, and ran to the Wesleyan chapel, and down a place where there was no thorough-fare; he then ran towards Prospect Place—I ran towards Cannon Street and told a constable the man was down a court—I next saw the prisoner in charge—I saw a knife in his hand—if he ran straight along from Victoria Court to Prospect Place he would pass 252, Cable Street—I saw him running towards there.

Cross-examined. I am no relation of Cornelius Bryan—I turned the handle of the door and pushed it with my foot—I went to try and save Raby's life—women's voices were calling "Murder!"—I saw the

prisoner stabbing Baby, and Mrs. Scott handing the baby out to my sister, who broke a window to get the baby away—I did not see Mrs. Baby there while the stabbing was going on—no one else was there except Baby, Mrs. Scott, the baby, and the prisoner—the prisoner had nothing on but his shirt, trousers, and braces—I know Mr. and Mrs. Baby quite well—I live quite near them—I know Mrs. Scott—she is kind—they have not talked to me about this case; on Sunday night they told me when I had to come here—I have not had a conversation with Mrs. Baby or Mrs. Scott about it.

CORNELIUS BRYAN . I live at 2, Deroda place, Shadwell—I saw nothing of the stabbing—after it was over I went with a constable to 252, Cable Street, where I got over the railings and into the area, and picked up this white-handled knife—the big blade was open—I gave it to the constable, and went with him to the station.

Cross-examined. I am no relation to the other Bryan—I live not far from Victoria Place—I am sure this is the knife.

EDWIN COOPER PERRY . I am house surgeon at the London Hospital—I examined Edward Baby on 20th November about 10 o'clock—I found him suffering from three incised wounds on the back, one on the left breast, one on the upper part of his left arm, one on his right wrist, and a slight scratch on the left hand—none of them were dangerous wounds—they had bled freely—they might have been produced by this knife—they were not punctured wounds; they were not very deep, or of considerable length.

Cross-examined. This knife was first shown to me at the police-court a day or two after the occurrence—there is a little rust on the large blade, and rust of a similar kind on the smaller blade.

MICHAEL MOCCOY , M.R.C.S. I carry on business at 203, Commercial Road—on 20th November I was called to King David Lane Station, where I examined Elizabeth Scott and Sophia Raby—I found a punctured wound on Scott's arm, about 2 inches long, bleeding freely—the other woman had a similar wound on the arm—I examined a sailor as well—he had an incised wound on the little finger of his left hand.

Cross-examined. He was a foreign sailor—his wound bled freely—Mrs. Raby's only wound was what I have described—her hand was not bleeding—if a woman broke a pane of glass she would probably cut her hand severely—it would depend on how she did it.

He-examined. The wounds on the woman could not have been caused by breaking a window.

HENRY BALKE (Policeman H 448). At half-past 1 on 20th November I saw the prisoner coming from the direction of Shadwell and Cable Street and run down Prospect Place—I followed, and took him into custody—on the way to the station he said that he and another man, his mate, had met two women, and went into this house, and were going to remain with them all night, and paid 2s. each for the room, and when he was about to get into bed the two women left, and some woman and man entered and wanted to turn him out, and commenced knocking him about, and robbed him of his money, and he ran out, and he never stabbed anybody—he said "I had no knife"—he had no knife—I saw blood on his hand—I saw there was a wound in his breast, but nothing to account for it, so far as he was concerned—he came from the direction of 252, Cable Street.

Cross-examined. I arrested him about 50 yards from 252, Cable Street—I received information from a boy about him when I got there—I found the prisoner lived at a Sailors' Home, a very respectable place—he said he had only been a fortnight or three weeks in this country, and was a sailor attached to his ship—at the station he was searched; nothing was found on him, not even a farthing.

WILLIAM HENRY BULLOCK (Police Inspector H). I took the charge—the prisoner was drunk, I should say, and so was the other sailor—Cornelius Bryan produced the knife at the station; I sent a constable back with him, and Bryan obtained it—No. 1, Victoria Place is a brothel.

Cross-examined. It is one of the worst brothels in the neighbourhood—Sophia Raby's mother kept it, and she herself keeps it now—foreign sailors get cleaned out there.


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67. ERIC PETERSEN was again indicted for a common assault. No evidence was offered.


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68. CARL WILLIAM SCHULTZ (25) and JOSEPH GREENWAY (28) PLEADED GUILTY to burglary in the dwelling-house of William Christie, and stealing three boots.— Six Months' Hard Labour each.

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69. MAURICE SOLOMON GOMPEBTZ (35) to unlawfully obtaining from Leon David diamonds by false pretences, with intent to defraud.— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] Three Days' Imprisonment. There was another indictment against the prisoner for stealing diamonds, upon which no evidence was offered.

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70. CHARLES AUGUSTUS ROHLL (25) to embezzling 6l., 7l., and 10l. 5s. 7d., the moneys of Edward William Barnsley, his master.— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] Nine Months' Hard Labour.

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71. GEORGE ROUTHAM (26) to stealing a post-letter containing three postal orders for 20s., 5s., and 3s., the goods of Her Majesty's Postmaster-General, he being employed in the Post-office.— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] Eighteen Months' Hard Labour. And

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72. MICHAEL BUCHANAN (29) to robbery with violence, with another person unknown, on Charles Hodges, and stealing from him a bag and 30s., after a conviction of felony in August, 1883**.— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] Nine Months' Hard Labour.

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73. THOMAS FIELDER (75) , Unlawfully attempting to have carnal knowledge of Emily Lewington, a girl under 16. Second Count, indecent assault.

MR. RIBTON Prosecuted.


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74. JOHN DOWNING (41) , Unlawfully attempting to have carnal knowledge of Edith Hawes and Edith Judge, girls under 13. Second Counts, indecent assaults.

MR. CARTER Prosecuted.

GUILTY of indecent assault. Six Months' Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Monday, December 13th, 1886.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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75. ARTHUR ANNESLEY* (21) PLEADED GUILTY to unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour. And

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76. JOHN ANDERSON (23) to feloniously uttering counterfeit coin after a conviction in May, 1884, of unlawfully having counterfeit coin in his possession, with intent to utter it.— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] Two Years' Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.—Tuesday, December 14th, 1866.

Before Mr. Recorder.

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77. WILLIAM WALTER FLETCHER (24), EPHRAIM MOTT (85), GEORGE EDWARD FULLER (32), and ALFRED KNIGHT (43) were indicted for stealing 112lb. of tartaric acid and other goods, the property of Daniel Richard Harvest and another, the masters of Fletcher, Mott, and Fuller. Second Count, charging-Knight with feloniously receiving the said property.


MR. GILL Prosecuted; MR. GRAIN Defended.

ANDREW CRANSTOUN (Policeman M 237). On 9th November, about 9.30 p.m., I was in Southwark Street, and saw Fletcher carrying these three bags (produced) on his shoulders—I spoke to him, and after what he said to me I took him to the station, where he made another statement—the bags contained tartaric acid.

WILLIAM OLDHAMPSTEAD (City Detective). On the night of November 9th I received Fletcher into my custody—in consequence of the statement he made to me, I went on the following day to Messrs. Harvest's premises, and saw Mott and spoke to him, and in consequence of what he said I took him in custody—I then saw Fuller; he also made a statement to me, and I handed him over to Saunders, another detective, who took him to the station—from information we then had we went to 90, Villiers Street, Walworth, a grocer's shop kept by Knight—I saw him and said "Mr. Knight"—he said "Yes"—I said, "We are police officers; we have three men in custody named Ephraim Mott, Fletcher, and Fuller, charged with stealing a quantity of tartaric acid from their employers, Messrs. Harvest and Co., of Dowgate Dock; they have stated that you received it through Messrs. Carter Paterson and Co., and also Messrs. Pickford"—he said, "I don't know these men, nor have I received any tartaric acid"—I said, "They state that you received about 1 cwt. On Friday, the 5th inst., from a man named Knock in the employ of Messrs. Pickford and Co."—he said, "I have not received anything at all from Messrs. Pickford and Co., or of Carter Paterson, and I don't know anything of these men"—I said, "Have you any tartaric acid by you?"—he produced a tin containing about 2lb. I should think, and said, "This is all I have, I have had it for some time"—I said, "Have you invoices or any entries in your books with reference to tartaric acid?"—he said, "No, I have none, I have not bought any"—I told him we should take him to the City, where he would be charged with receiving a quantity of tartaric acid from these men, meaning Mott, Fuller, and Fletcher, well knowing it to have been stolen—I also said, "They state that you paid them 10d. a pound for it through a man named Fisher"—that was the first time the name of Fisher had been mentioned—he said, "I know nothing of these men, and I never bought any"—I believe he said he knew Fisher, but he denied that he knew either Fuller or Fletcher or Mott—when he was charged he said, "You say the 5th November?"—the inspector said in my presence, "On or about"—the

following day the three prisoners and Fisher and Knight were at the station together, and I said to Matt, Fletcher, and Fuller, "Is this the man," pointing to Fisher, "that you allude to as Fisher as being the man you saw with Knight and received the money from?"—Mott said "Yes," and Fuller nodded his head.

Cross-examined. Fisher was charged at the Mansion House—I took him in custody upon the statements that the three men had made to me—the case was heard before the Lord Mayor, I think, on the first occasion; on the second occasion I was in the hospital; he was discharged—I said at the Mansion House, "They sent it to you by Carter Paterson, and they said you paid 10d. a pound for it through a man named Fisher, he made no reply to that"—that is true—I believe now that he said he knew Fisher, I would not like to be positive; he said something after leaving the shop, and I believe it was Fisher—Knight sells all sorts of things at his shop—I believe it to be a respectable neighbourhood—I do not know that he has lived there 15 years, I have no reason to doubt it—I have nothing to say against him.

Re-examined. I have been in hospital, and have not made any inquiries about the case; Saunders has.

WILLIAM SAUNDERS (City Detective). I was with Oldhampstead when he arrested the prisoners—I have heard his evidence to-day; it is quite true—on the 10th, while Oldhampstead was gone for the prosecutor, I was alone with Knight; he put his hands in his trousers pocket; and said, "I want some refreshments, but I changed my trousers, and have got no money, when are they coming back? I don't know these men, I never had any dealings with them, Fisher did not work there," meaning Messrs. Harvest's—I said "Mott states that he was with Fisher when you gave Usher the money"—he replied "I know he was not"—I said "If you wish; you can give me information where it is"—he replied "I have sold it; if I tell you who to, he will get into trouble as well as me for buying it under price, but I will wait and see when they come back"—Fisher was not in custody when Knight made this statement.

Cross-examined. That is all the conversation we had with reference to the charge—I did not say to him, "If you tell me what you have done with the acid it will be much lighter for you, if we can trace it"—I swear that I never said that or anything like it—it is not my duty to open people's mouths, but if they put a leading question we can do so; the leading question here was when he commenced the conversation with respect to the men in custody, and saying he didn't know these men, and would wait and see when they they came back—I took this conversation down a few minutes afterwards—I had this paper (prefaced) at the Mansion House; I did not produce it because I was not asked, and it was fresh in my memory.

JAMES KNOCK . I live at 32, Villiers Street, Walworth, and am a carman in the employ of Pickford's—I knew Fletcher, and I knew that he worked at Harvest and Co.'s—on 3rd November he spoke to me in the Trinity Arms, Trinity Street, Borough, and in consequence of what he said, on the morning of 5th November I went to his house and got a bag weighing about one hundredweight—I did not see the contents, but it appeared to be the same as this produced, and felt like this—I took it in my van, but I did not book it—from what Fletcher said I took it to Knight's shop; I saw him, and said "I have got a bag for you," he

pointed in the shop, and told me to put it down—no paper was signed nor was any receipt given—Fletcher gave me 5s. for doing this.

Cross-examined. I am in the habit of calling for goods at different warehouses—I have not been calling at the prosecutor's many times—I took tins for Fletcher as a friend, something like that, and it not being in the ordinary way of business I should not enter it on my way bill—I used my employer's horse and van—I have not done that very often for a friend, but if my cart was empty I would not mind giving a friend a lift.

Re-examined. I would not again carry a sack and get 5s.—I have been dismissed.

LEWIS HOOPER . I live at 120, Southwark Bridge Road, and am agent for Carter Paterson—on 21st October I received from the prisoner Fletcher a bag containing about one hundredweight of what he described as sherbet—I delivered it next day to Carter Paterson's van boy.

CHARLES ELLIOTT . I live at 60, Norris Street, Haggerston, and am a carter in the empley of Carter Paterson and Co.—on 22nd October I collected a sack from 120, Southwark Bridge Road, for Knight of Was worth, and I took it to the head office at 128, Goswell Road—this (produced) is the collecting-sheet.

WILLIAM COLE . I live at 9, Lamb Alley, Bermondsey, and am a carman in the employ of Carter Paterson and Co.—on 22nd October I received from my depot a sack for Knight, of Villiers Street, Walworth—I knew Knight by sight, and delivered it to him and he signed for it—this is my sheet (produced) and this is his writing.

Cross-examined. It was a tall bag, about 2 feet 6 in high, and might have weighed three quarters of a hundredweight—it was addressed with a label in a businesslike way, there was no concealment about the thing at all.

Re-examined. I did not know where it came from.

DANIEL RICHARD HARVEST . I am a member of the firm of W. and D. Harvest, drysalters of Dowgate Dock—amongst other things we deal in tartaric acid—the prisoners Mott, Fuller, and Fletcher have been in my employment as porters, Mott and Fuller for a considerable time—they would have access to the floor where this commodity is kept—I do not know Knight; he has had no dealings with me to my knowledge—the prisoners would have no business whatever to dispose of things from my premises—I last took stock on the 1st January last—after this matter came to my knowledge through the police, I went through the stock again, and found a loss in weight of over 6,000 lb., the market value of which is between 400l. and 500l.—sherbet is a thing we also keep in stock, and is similar in appearance to tartaric acid.

Cross-examined. The stuff charged in the indictment is worth 8l. or 9l. a hundredweight, and the sherbet about 4l. or 5l. a hundredweight—ready-money customers are very exceptional with us; we have over 1,000 customers, but they are all credit customers—I am the second partner—if a person came in and bought some goods and wished them to be sent to his place, we should require a reference before we sent them even if they brought gold—it is not our course of business, we are wholesale

dealers—we sell to grocers—we should not sell to a man who came and wanted so much, without a reference; that is our system.

KNIGHT— GUILTY .—He received a good character.

FLETCHER— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

MOTT, FULLER, and KNIGHT— Five Years' Penal Servitude each.

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78. FREDERICK SELBY alias GEORGE SIMMONDS (19) PLEADED GUILTY to feloniously uttering a forged order for the payment of 48l., with intent to defraud.— Eighteen Months' Hard labour.

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79. WILLIAM HAROLD MILLER (32) , Feloniously forging and uttering an order for the payment of 130l., with intent to defraud.

MR. HORACE AVORY Prosecuted; MR. GRAIN Defended.

GEORGE CHAPMAN . I am manager to the London Open Stock exchange, 20, Great Winchester Street, City—Mr. Dawson was in partnership with me, but he is now dead—prior to the 29th I had known the prisoner for two or three months as a client, and had done some business for him, and he occasionally called at our office—when he called there he might go in and out of the inner office—that is where I keep my cheque-book—on the 29th September I received this letter, and acting upon it I sent a cheque for 3l. 5s. to the address given in hat letter; it was filled up by Mr. Dawson and signed by me, "Fay W. H. Miller or order," and is endorsed "W. H. Miller"—it has been cashed, and has passed through my account—I can't speak to the opera-glasses mentioned in that letter, I have heard about them—3l. 5s. was the amount due to the prisoner at that time—up to that time I knew no address where he resided—I had seen him on the 29th September, and did not see him after that till he was in custody—some time after 1st October, when my, pass-book came back from the bank Mr. Dawson discovered in it this cheque for 130l. and showed it to me—it is dated 28th September, and is "Fay Walter Allen, Esq., 130l.," the signature is some imitation of mine—the body of the cheque is also an imitation of the filling in of the 3l. 5s. cheque—it is not signed by me or by my authority, it is a forgery—when I saw that, I examined my cheque-book and found two forma missing from the end; this is one of the forms—I immediately communicated with the bank, and they have taken these proceedings.

Cross-examined. I deal in stocks and shares; it is a new thing which I started myself five years ago—we have to clear with the Stock Exchange—I am a stock jobber, I am not a member of the Stock Exchange—I have a number of people in my office, but not women as a rule—my partner died on Sunday last—I believe the prisoner was in communication with him on or about the 29th or 80th September and 1st October—I have seen letters, I know Mr. Dawson was in communication with the prisoner about the time of this cheque for 130l.—this is the letter (produced). (Read: "Wednesday, September 29th, 1886. Mr. Dawson. Dear Sir (Personal).—Summoned home to my apartments, I found one of my Glasgow people waiting me, and shall perhaps leave for Scotland with him in the morning. I send the opera-glasses herewith, please care for them until my return. Business. I bought 200 Brighton A's, at' 15 1/4, and sold at 15 7/8, a profit 1l. 5s., added to a commission cover makes 3l. 5s. I just owe a bill of that amount, so please post me an open cheque for same, so as I get it in the morning.") The cheque for 3l. 5s.

would have reached him either on the evening of the 29th or the morning of the 30th—the forged cheque is dated 28th, and is an open cheque to order; it is not crossed—it was cashed on 1st October—I have my pass-book here—my cheque-book was kept in a drawer in the inner office—I have an exchange office for the public generally, and an office for myself—I have a great many people come in there, and this drawer might be left open—I have live persons assisting me in my business; they have no right to go in my private room, but they could get in there and so could you—I never saw the prisoner write—this is a very bad imitation of my signature, but I would not say the bank clerk was an idiot to cash it, because of my stamp being upon it—if I had been a bank clerk I should have done very wrong to have cashed a cheque like that—my name ends with "n," but on this cheque it ends with "m," it is a blundering signature—I said at once when it was handed tome "That is a forgery, and I will have nothing to do with it"—I don't know who is meant by Mr. Allen; I know a Mr. Allen, I saw him once, he is a member of the London Stock Exchange; he has nothing to do with me, and I have had no transactions with him—I have not the slightest idea why that cheque was made out payable to him—Mr. Dawson never knew him—my clerks would not know the members of the Stock Exchange, the members themselves don't know each other, if you looked in the Directory you could see them—I don't know whether Mr. Walter Allen is a pemanent member of the Stock Exchange, and whether he has been hammered up to the present time.

Re-examined. All my cheques are stamped with "London Open Stock Exchange," and that would appear before the cheques were filled up.

HENRY TRACY ROSE . I am a cashier of the London and County Bank at Fenchurch Street, the head office—the London Open Stock Exchange have an account there, and their cheques are signed by Mr. Chapman as manager—this cheque for 3l. 5s., dated 29th September, was cashed by me over the counter on the 30th; it was then endorsed as it is now "Pay bearer"—this cheque for 130l., dated 28th September, was cashed by me over the counter on 1st October, and I gave in exchange one 100l. note and three 10l. notes; these are them (produced)—I have no recollection whatever of the person who cashed the cheque.

CHARLES JOHN WILLIAMS . I am a clerk in the Bank of England—I produce these cancelled notes—they were cashed at the Bank of England for gold on 1st October—they were endorsed at the time by the person presenting them "Coe, 37, Percival Street."

Cross-examined. We always require the person who wants to change notes to write his name on them—I am the custodian of all the notes that have been cashed in this way—it was the old practice generally to ask them to write their name on the front of the first note if there was more than one—it is unusual to find the name on the back of the note—it is the clerk's duty who takes it to see the name put on the face of the note.

Re-examined. There is no endorsement except on this one.

GEORGE TAYLOR . I am a clerk in the service of the London Open Stock Exchange—I knew Mr. Dawson—he is dead—I have seen him dead.

EDWARD HANCOCK . I am the officer in charge of this case—I was

present at the police-court when Mr. Dawson was examined—the prisoner had an opportunity of cross-examining him.

Cross-examined. He was represented there—the, deposition of Mr. Dawson was read over in the prisoner's presence. (Reed: "I know" the defendant, I received this letter marked A. I never saw him write. I borrowed a pair of opera glasses of the defendant; he sent them to, me by a messenger. I drew this cheque for 3l. 5s.; Mr. Chapman signed it; it was sent by post to the defendant. I know nothing of cheque C; the body of it is not in my writing; I never signed it."

ARITHUR JOHNSON . I was a hairdresser, at 215, Great College Street, Camden Town, on 29th September last—I knew, the prisoner in the name of Mr. Miller—he never lodged at my house—I have taken in letters for him there in the name of Miller, and he has called for them—about nine or ten weeks ago he had them taken in for two or three days.

Cross-examined. I occasionally take in letters when I am required to do so—I do not know what is in the letters.

MARY ANN ELIZABETH PICKWORTH . I live at 98, Camden Street, Camden Town—I know the prisoner; he lodged with me for three months, and left about the middle of October—I knew him in the name of Harold Hathaway; he asked me to take in letters in the name of Miller, and I think one letter came in that name—some time after he left I received this letter from the prisoner, dated 2nd November, asking me to send on any letters to Imperial Chambers, Cursitor Street, Chancery Lane—it is signed in the name I knew him in, Hathaway—I afterwards gave that letter to the police constable when he came to see me.

Cross-examined. He told me once, shortly after he came to me, that he had lost some money, and asked me if any one had been in his rooms—he said something about his portmanteau, that he had lost 15l. out of it, out of a purse in which he had 100l.—he paid me everything in advance—I understood he wrote for the papers—there was no concealment while he was with me—he was a perfectly respectable lodger.

THOMAS DENNETT . I live at 37, Percival Street, Clerkenwell—no person named Coe lived there on 1st October last.

RICHARD HANCOCK (City Detective Sergeant). I had a warrant for the prisoner's apprehension, and on 16th November I was watching Imperial Chambers, Cursitor Street—I had spoken to the proprietor before that—no name of Hathaway was up there—on 16th November the prisoner came up in a Hansom's cab, went into the hall of the chambers and spoke to the porter and almost immediately ran down the steps into the street and got into the cab—I spoke to the porter, and from what he told me I ran after the prisoner and said "What is your name?"—he said "Hathaway"—I said "I am a police officer and you must go with me"—he got out of the cab and went back to the Imperial Chambers and hotel—I took him to No. 1 room, which had been previously pointed out to me as his room—I said "This is your room?"—he said "Yes"—I said "I hold a warrant for the arrest of a man named W. H. Miller, and I believe you are the man;" I showed him the letter marked "A" relating to Mr. Dawson, and the cheques—he took them and read the letter and the cheques, and said, turning over the cheque for 3l. 5s., "This is right, it is mine"—I said "How about the other?" referring to the cheque for 130l.—he said "My God, I don't know what to say about that"—he seemed very agitated; he remained quiet for a moment

or so and then said "I can see all this dearly, I won't say the man has done it to wrong me, but he has done it to get money"—he then asked to look at the papers again, and after doing so said "What date do you say this was?—I said "The cheques are dated 28th and 29th September, but this cheque"(I held the cheque for 130l. in my fingers) "I believe was cashed on 1st October"—he said "I think I shall be able to prove I was in Scotland at that time"—I then read the warrant to him and took him to the station with the other officer, Smith, who searched his office.

Cross-examined. When I spoke of Miller he said, "I sometimes use that name"—I said, "I have two cheques here for 3l. 5s. and 130l."—I handed them to him—referring to the 130l. cheque he said, "My God, I know nothing about that; I can see it clearly now"—when he asked the date I said, "The cheque is the 28th September, but I believe it was on 1st October."

FRANCIS SMITH (City Detective). I was with the last witness when the prisoner was arrested—I afterwards searched his office No. 1 and found 18l. in gold—I found 3l. 11s. in his pocket—I also brought away a number of papers from his office—I saw the prisoner write when in custody; this letter marked "A" is very similar to what I saw him write.

Cross-examined. I took all the papers from his office that had writing on—he voluntarily gave me 2l. out of his pocket to make together with what I had found at his office 20l.—these letters show he was writing for the Press, carrying on literary work; beyond that they have no bearing on the case.

Re-examined. Among others I found a letter from a Mr. Kelly.

FREDERICK NETHERCLIFT . I have had nearly 40 years' experience as an expert in handwriting—I have examined the letter to Dawson, the cheques for 3l. 5s. and 130l. and the letter and envelope addressed to Mrs. Pickworth—they are all written by the same person—I say the body of the cheque for 130l. is a servile imitation of the body of the other cheque—"Walter Allen" is in a disguised handwriting, and the signature "Chapman" is an imitation, but a very bad one—I say the endorsements on these bank notes, especially that with the address of "Coe" and the "Percival Street" are written by the prisoner—I can point out many peculiarities; the "Street" is written shortly—I do not consider there is any disguise in the "Percival Street."

Cross-examined. I first received the letter "A," and then that signed "Harold Hathaway," and from those I made my report—then I had the cheques and the letter to Mrs. Pickworth—I was asked if I could verify them as being in the same writing—I was not told they were alleged to be in the prisoner's writing—I was asked if they were in a genuine hand—I say the two cheques and the letter are in the same handwriting—I have not seen Mr. Chapman's writing beyond that on this cheque—the signature to the 130l. cheque is a bad imitation of his—many times my evidence has been accepted and many times otherwise—if forgeries were thoroughly imitated we should not be able to find them out—I have no writing of the prisoner beyond what is here—if a forger wanted to write a certain peculiarity he might spell the name of the drawer of a cheque wrongly—I have constantly known forgers to misspell names; I cannot give instances now—on my solemn oath I have had such cases; I can send you instances—there is a pothook too much at the end of "Chapman"

—I can name 12 peculiarities which I find repeated in these different documents—sometimes he makes the Greek and sometimes the other "e"—the "e" in Allen has been altered from one to the other—the backward stroke at the end of the "s" is one of the most prominent points—I write one hand for my reports and another for my correspondence; an expert might know they were written by the same person.

Re-examined. The prisoner was not in custody when the documents were submitted to me, and I made my report before he was apprehended.

GUILTY .— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Tuesday, December 14th, 1886.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

Reference Number: t18861213-80

80. BENJAMIN BRETT (26) , Unlawfully having in his possession a mould for coining.

MR. WILKINSON Prosecuted.

JOSEPH MARRIOTT (Police Sergeant H). On the night of 3rd December I went with Sergeant Smith to 47, Old Gravel Lane—we forced open the back door, went to the first floor back, and found the prisoner sitting in front of the fire with the mould in his hand—he threw it down and one half of it broke—I saw a florin on the bench by his side, quite warm—this iron spoon containing liquid metal was on the fire—he said, "Good God, you have got me, straight; if you let me know who has done this for me I shall be satisfied"—Sergeant Smith seized him and held him, and we looked round the room and found on the bench three metal spoons similar to the one which was being melted—he became very violent and said, "It is life and death with me"—he struggled violently and I threatened to strike him with my stick—we called in two constables who we had waiting outside and secured him and took him to the station, where he rushed away from a constable and knocked his head against the iron dock-rail to endeavour to knock his brains out—the charge was read to him and he said, "Quite right"—the house is a small greengrocer's, and he occupies the lower part—I saw Sergeant Smith find a florin sticking in the mould.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You occupied the place downstairs—you did not occupy the room in which I found you—I went there in consequence of information—I was in Mr. King's public-house several times that day, and I saw you bringing home coals and coke on your barrow—I did not see your wife and your father leave—I have not made this case for you—you kept the shop, and lived with a woman who has left in consequence of the coining—a very old man, who is ill in bed now, occupied the back room—he goes by the name of Lammy—he is a pedlar—he came upstairs as we brought you down—it was in consequence of your wife's statements that we kept observation on the premises—she said you were making bad money, and she had suffered twelve months' imprisonment for you, and did not wish to live with you any longer, and she wished you were apprehended.

By the COURT. The other man was not the really guilty party—no other man lived there before the pedlar to my knowledge—I do not know who the landlord is, or whether the prisoner is the landlord.

WILLIAM SMITH (Detective Sergeant H). On 3rd December, about 11.30

p.m., I went with Marriott to 47, Old Gravel Lane, and saw the prisoner, in the first floor back room, which is occupied by a pedlar as a general living room—there was a bright fire, and the prisoner was sitting in front of it with this mould in his hand—we rushed at him to seize it, but he threw it down, and broke half of it—I picked it up, and found this florin in it so hot that I could not touch it—I also found these three spoons and this get, which fits a florin which Marriott found on the bench—this is a portion of the handle of a metal spoon corresponding to the others—this file and this wire were on a bench by the prisoner's side—this piece of glass is for placing the coin on, and there is an impression of a coin in the grease on it—this is a tin of plaster-of-Paris—some of the things were on the bench, and some were on the floor at the prisoner's feet—he was sitting on a chair or stool, with his left side to the fire, and the bench on his right—this iron spoon was on the fire, with a portion of a spoon in it partly melted—he said "Good God! I am done; you have got me, straight; I shall be satisfied if you tell me who has done this for me: this is life or death to me; I will have a go for it"—he struggled violently, and I threatened to strike him—we called two uniform constables up, and he said he would go quietly—we took him to the station, where, when he was left for a moment, he dashed his head against the dock—while he was waiting to be charged he said "I only made two or three to get rid of, myself; I am not much of a hand at it; I only made the mould this afternoon: I have been tumbled to several times, and had to run away"—I understood that to mean detected when endeavouring to pass them—after the charge was read he said "That is quite right"—nothing relating to the charge was found on him.

Cross-examined. After we arrested you the pedlar came into the room, and you gave him some money and told him to give it to your wife.

By the COURT. He said to me "This has nothing to do with the old man; I hope you will not hurt him for it; I came up here when the old man was out"—I had seen the old man out of the house—the prisoner said "The old gentleman knows nothing of this what I am doing"—the door fastened was inside—Marriott opened it—the outer door was open.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . I am inpsector of coin to Her Majesty's Mint—these are two counterfeit florins, one with and one without a get; this get belongs to the broken florin—this is the reverse side of a plaster-of-Paris mould for florins, and these are fragments of the reverse side—both the coins came out of this mould—this piece of glass is for mixing the plaster-of-Paris on; here is a circular mark on it—this tin spoon has some pewter in it, which is the metal the coins are made of—this file is to file the edges of the coins—this copper wire is used in the battery—all these articles can be used in the manufacture of counterfeit coin.

The prisoner in his statement before the Magistrate and in his defence stated that his wife had, before their marriage, lived with a coiner, and carried on a bad money business with him, that she had given him bad money, and that he knew where to obtain it without making it; that that man came out of prison on Lord Mayor's Day, upon which his (the prisoner's) wife stripped the house of clothes and money and ran away after placing these things under their bed, and that when he removed them upstairs the police came and took him. He denied there being any fire in the grate.

JOSEPH MARIOTT (Re-examined). There are two doors to the house—the street door was open—you can get from the shop to the back yard,

but not to the upper part—the prisoner slept in a little parlour behind the shop with his wife when she lived with him—the pedlar occupied the back room only—the door was fast, but I pushed it open—that room is over the room where the prisoner sleeps—a man was lying down in the front room, some low person; and another man in the room above.

By the JURY. I can swear that the fire was alight—I spilled some of the melted metal, and both the florins were warm.

GUILTY .*— Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

Reference Number: t18861213-81

81. HENRY CLARK (35) and LOUISA GOFF (36) , Unlawfully having; in their possession a mould for coining, to which


MR. WILKINSON Prosecuted.

WILLIMA THICK (Police Sergeant H). On 19th November I was on duty with Bolton and Stacey, watching 1, Wilk Court, Purl Street, Spitalfields, from 4 a.m. to shortly before 6, and if anyone went in I must have seen them, which I did not—I knocked at the door at a few minutes to 6, and heard it unbolted—we found the two prisoners down-stairs in the kitchen at breakfast—there are only two rooms in the house one above the other—I found a file on the table—Bolton said to Clark, "Have you any counterfeit coin about you?"—he made no reply—I saw Bolton take twelve counterfeit shillings from Clark's right trousers pocket—he said "How do you account for these?"—Clark made no reply; he only said "The woman knows nothing about it"—we took them to the station, leaving an officer in charge of the house—we then returned with Stacey—I went up to the bedroom and found this mould for a shilling and a sixpence, on the floor under the bed, wrapped up in a piece of leather, and in an old stocking Bolton found four sixpences under the bed—I showed the mould and the four sixpences to the prisoners at the station, and said "How do you account for the possession of these?"—Clark said "I made them; if you had come three hours before you would have caught me red-hot, making"—five or six of the twelve coins were wrapped in separate pieces of paper—here is the impression of coins on this paper.

ALBERT BOLTON (Policeman H). I went with Thick and Stacey to 1, Wilk Court, and found the two prisoners downstairs sitting at breakfast—I said to Clark "Have you any counterfeit coin about you?"—he made no reply—I searched him and found these twelve shillings in ids trousers pocket wrapped up—I said, "How do you account for these?"—he made no reply, but said "The woman knows nothing about it"—they were taken to the station—we afterwards went back to the house, and in the up-stairs room, between the bed and the mattress, I found these four unfinished sixpences wrapped up together in this paper, and in the bowl of a spoon a get—I heard Clark say at the station, "If you had been three hours earlier you would have caught me red-hot making"—I do not recollect his saying "I made them."

THOMAS STACEY (Detective H). I was with Thick and Bolton, and found the prisoners sitting at breakfast; they were taken to the station—I then went back to the house and found upstairs under the table a tin containing a quantity of silver sand, an earthenware plate, a pair of scissors, a tin of blacking, an iron spoon, and a piece of copper wire—I showed them to the prisoners at the station, and Thick said, "How do

you account for this mould in your possession"—he said "I made them; if you had come three hours sooner you would have caught me redhot making; the female prisoner knows nothing about it"—she said nothing.

FREDERICK GALLINGER . I am the landlord of 1, Wilk Court—I let it furnished to the female prisoner last August at 5s. a week, and she remained till her arrest—she did not let me know her name—there were two rooms in the house—I may have seen Clark there twice—I live in Little Purl Street; I am a German—Goff paid me my rent—I let it to her without any reference—I have a great many other houses, the furniture is all branded.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . These twelve shillings are counterfeit, and so are these four unfinished sixpences—they have not been plated—this get belongs to one of them—there is a double mould for a shilling and a sixpence, and most of these shillings were cast in it, if not all—all these articles are used for coining—the blacking is used for rubbing over coins.

Goff's Defence. I had been out the previous evening, and came home, and about 5.30 I opened the door to let the cat out, and these gentlemen walked in. I know nothing about what the man does for his living; he told me he worked at the waterside. I did not know the things were in the house till I saw the officer take a file from behind the looking glass, it was not on the table till Bolton put it there.

ALBERT BOLTON (Re-examined). I did not put the file on the table—I did not see it till Sergeant Thick picked it up from the table—I did not take it from behind the looking-glass—I saw impressions of two persons on the bed—no cat ran past when we went in, we were all three within two yards of the door—I did not see any one go in at 5.30.

THOMAS STACEY (Re-examined). I did not put the file on the table—I saw no cat go out.

WILLIAM THICK (Re-examined). I did not put the file on the table—I saw a cat after we went back, but did not see one go out.

GOFF— GUILTY .*— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

Sentence on CLARK, who had been convicted at this Court of a like offence in June, 1885, in the name of Henry Carter— Six Years' Penal Servitude.

Reference Number: t18861213-82

82. THOMAS EDWARDS (22) , Feloniously uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. WILKINSON Prosecuted.

EMMA ROCKETT . I am barmaid at the Eastnor Castle public-house, Stebbington Street, St. Pancras—on 24th November, about 6.30 p.m., the prisoner came in with Sullivan (See next case) and a third man—Sullivan called for a quartern of gin and cloves, price 5d., and gave me a half-crown—I put it in the till and gave him two single shillings and a penny—Mr. Lee came into the bar and spoke to me—he went to the till, and I saw him take out the half-crown—there was no other half-crown there—I bent it in the tester—this is it (produced)—the moment I put it in the tester the three men walked out quickly—Mr. Lee then went out—the prisoner sat on a form about a yard off, while Sullivan stood at the bar; he drank off what Sullivan ordered, and the three conversed together.

WALTER LEE . I manage the Eastnor Castle—on 24th November, about 6.30 p.m., I saw the prisoner and two other men there—I became suspicious from something I observed, and spoke to the barmaid—I then

examined the till and found this bad half-crown—the three men then went out so quick that I could not catch them—I jumped over the bar, ran after them, caught Sullivan, brought him back, and sent for a policeman—I left the potman in charge of him, and went outside and found Edwards, and brought him back—I said, "I shall charge you with passing bad money"—he said, "I am not going to be locked up far him passing bad money"—I gave him in charge with the coin.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You did not come back and ask me what I locked Edwards up for—you came back in three minutes—you were going to walk past the house, but I got hold of you.

FRANK ROBERT KENT . My mother keeps the Marquis of Hastings public-house, Ossulton Street, St. Pancras, about 10 minutes' walk from the Eastnor Castle—on 24th November, about 6.30 p.m., the prisoner and Sullivan came in, and Sullivan called for a quartern of gin and cloves, price 5d., and gave me a half-crown—I tried it in the tester, and it slightly bent—I gave it back to him, and he said "I know" or "We know where we got it from," and paid me with good money—three of them shared the drink, and they talked together.

HENRY KIRBY (Policeman Y 243). I was tailed to the Eastnor Castle, and Mr. Lee gave the prisoner and Sullivan into my custody for uttering a bad half-crown—Sullivan said, "I received this half-crown from a man who ran away with another man"—I saw no third man—Edwards said, "I met Sullivan outside the public-house; he asked me to go in and have a drink; I said I would; that is all I know about the half-crown"—I searched Edwards at the station, and found a florin, three shillings, a sixpence, and 6 1/2 d., and on Sullivan a half-crown, a shilling, a sixpence, and 5 1/2 d.—Edwards said to the detective, referring to Sullivan, "He nearly got me into trouble last Saturday; we were walking down Shaftesbury Avenue, and a policeman came up and said, 'I shall take you in custody on suspicion of being a suspected person,' and he took us to Vine Street Station and searched us; I had a bad half-crown which I had off of a man on the Dials, with sixpence which I won of a man in a bet."

Cross-examined. If you had not made that statement I should have found out what had happened at Vine Street—you did not mention Sullivan, you said "He," but you looked at him.

JOHN TAYLOR (Police Sergeant E 5). On 20th November I was in Piccadilly, off duty and in plain clothes—I saw Edwards and Sullivan, and took them to Vine Street on suspicion—I found this half-crown in Edwards's left waistcoat pocket, and showed it to the inspector, who said, "This is bad," and asked Edwards if he knew anything about it—he said, "If you say it is bad I suppose it is"—I handed it to him; he put it in his mouth and bent it—I took it again, and kept it—he said that he received it from a man on the Dials in payment for a bet.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . These half-crowns are counterfeit and from different moulds.

The prisoner in his statement before the Magistrate and in his defence said that the man who gave him the bad half-crown on the previous Saturday gave him this one.


He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin in June, 1884, at this Court, in the name of William Harrington. (See next case.)

Reference Number: t18861213-83

83. THOMAS EDWARDS was again indicted, with JOSEPH SULLIVAN (19) , for unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

The evidence in the former case was read over to the witnesses from the shorthand notes, to which they assented.

GUILTY . EDWARDS**— Five Years' Penal Servitude. SULLIVAN— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

Reference Number: t18861213-84

84. SAMUEL HANDLEY (26) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. WILKINSON Prosecuted.

EDWARD STEPHENSON . I live with my parents at 23, George Square, Hoxton—the prisoner asked me to go to the Adam and Eve public-house and get him a bottle of ginger-beer, and bring him 2s. 2 1/2 d. out of a half-crown which he gave me, and promised me a halfpenny—I gave the coin to a lady behind the bar, but she did not give me the ginger-beer or the change—I went back to the prisoner and found him just walking on, on the same side as I left him—I said, "You have got to go and get the money"—he said "All right."

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I know you by your face.

JEANETTE WISE . I am employed at the Adam and Eve—on 27th November Stephenson came in for a bottle of ginger-beer, and put down a bad half-crown—I bit it; it was gritty—I gave it to the landlord.

WILLIAM CHARLES BARNES . I keep the Adam and Eve—the last witness gave me this half-crown—I told the potman to follow the boy—he pointed the prisoner out to me in the street—I took him by his collar and gave him to a policeman—I took the coin to the station.

WILLIAM HILL . I am potman at the Adam and Eve—I saw Stephenson there, and followed him him into the street about 20 yards, where he spoke to the prisoner, but I was eight or nine yards away—I told the governor.

CHARLES HOBDEN (Policeman G 360). I saw Mr. Barnes take hold of the prisoner, who tried to get away from him—he gave him into my custody, with this bad half-crown—he was placed with nine more at the station about the same age, and Stephenson picked him out—he gave his address, 13, Bury Street, Allen Street, Goswell Road, which was false—he made no reply to the charge—three shillings, a sixpence, and 9 1/2 d. were found on him.

CATHERINE PEARCE . I have lived at 13, Bury Street, Allen Street, Goswell Road, 18 months down to the present time—I do not know the prisoner.

Cross-examined. I know Mrs. Ship, next door to the gateway, but I never saw you there, or taking mangling there.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . This half-crown is counterfeit.

GUILTY .— Ten Months' Hard Labour.

Reference Number: t18861213-85

85. MARY ANN BROWN (40) , Feloniously uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. WILKINSON Prosecuted.

ADA CHALK . I am barmaid at the Argyll Restaurant, Argyll Street, W.—on 25th November I served the prisoner with two penny worth of whisky to drink, and half a quartern in a bottle to take away—they came to sevenpence, and she gave me a half-crown—I saw that it was bad directly, and spoke to the manageress, who told the prisoner it was not good—she said "I was not aware that it was bad"—she was given in

custody, with the coin—I had seen her there the night before, and my sister showed me a bad half-crown then.

SOPHIA CHALK . I am barmaid at the Argyll Restaurant—on 24th November, a little after 10 p.m., I served the prisoner with half a quartern of whisky—she gave me a half-crown—I thought it was not good, kept it in my hand, and gave her the change, being very busy, and put it by itself—the manageress came and took it up—I showed it to my sister, and several persons tried it—I tested it with my teeth, and it got dented; it was bad—a man took it away, and said he would destroy it—I was not present on the second occasion.

ALEXANDER BLUNT (Police Sergeant C). On 25th November, about 10.20 p.m., I was sent for to the Argyll Restaurant, and Ada Chalk said in the prisoner's presence that she gave her a half-crown for some whisky, and she believed it was bad—the prisoner said nothing, but when the landlady came and said that she would be charged she said "Let her charge me; I am innocent; forgive me any wrong I have done; the coin was given me in my wages"—when she was charged at the station she said "The coin was given me by a man at the Circus who I do not know"—she turned her pockets out in the public house, and only had a penny—she said she had no fixed abode—I received this half-crown from Miss Chalk, and marked it.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . This half-crown is counterfeit.

Prisoner's Defence. I did not know it was bad.

GUILTY . She then

PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction at this Court in January, 1886, of unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin in the name of Mary Ann Cain.— Five Years Penal Servitude.

Reference Number: t18861213-86

86. ADA BROWN (21) , Unlawfully having counterfeit coin in her possession, with intent to utter it.

MR. WILKINSON Prosecuted.

JOHN TAYLOR (Policeman E 5). On 30th November, about 3.30 p.m., I was on duty in plain clothes in Bishopsgate Street, and watched the prisoner and a man; they were together about 20 minutes; they separated, and I followed the prisoner, stopped her in Vine Street, laid hold of her right hand, and said "What have you got in your hand?"—she said "Oh!"—I said "Give me what you have in your hand"—I wrestled with her about five minutes, and then opened her hand, and found three counterfeit shillings and a halfpenny, wrapped separately in this piece of newspaper—I took her to the station, and said "Who was that man who was with you?"—she said "There was no man with me"—she was asked her address, and said she had no fixed home, but came from over the water.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I am quite certain you were with a man; you were talking together—you did not say that it was given you by a man to go with him.

JOHN WICK (Policeman HR 28). I saw Taylor struggling with the prisoner—he asked me to take hold of her hand—I did so, and he wrenched out of it three florins and a halfpenny, wrapped in paper.

ESTHER PICKLES . I am female searcher at the station—I searched the prisoner, and found a sixpence and 6 1/2 d. in bronze.

Prisoner's Defence. They were given me by a man to go with him; I am an unfortunate girl.

GUILTY. Recommended to mercy by the Jury, believing her to have been, under the influence of the man.—Judgment respited.

FOURTH COURT.—Tuesday, December 14th, 1886.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

Reference Number: t18861213-87

87. EDWARD WHEELER (52) PLEADED GUILTY to unlawfully obtaining by false pretence from Philip Cohen a knife and fork, and to other Counts for attempting to obtain goods by false pretences; stealing a pair of boots, the goods of Rigby Davies Smith, and to a conviction at Middlesex Sessions in November, 1885.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

Reference Number: t18861213-88

88. GEORGE GEEY (32) to stealing three sashes, a pair of slippers, and other goods to the value of 7l. 10s., the goods of James Cator, in his dwelling-house.— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] six Months' Hard Labour.

Reference Number: t18861213-89

89. JAMES RICHARDSON (46) to embezzling. 7l. 16s. 8d., 7l. 3s., and 9l. 12s. 7d. received by him on account of his master, and to three indictments for forging and uttering the endorsements on orders for the payment of 9l. 12s. 7d., 7l. 3s., and 7l. 16s. 8d., and other sums.— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] Twelve Months' Hard labour. And

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90. THOMAS BARKER (20), otherwise JOHN WRIGHT , otherwise THOMAS MILES , to three indictments for stealing two harmoniums and a piano, goods of William Thomas Payne and others, and to unlawfully obtaining by false pretences a harmonium and a piano from Charles Lawrence Young and another.

MR. KEITH FRITH read a statement detailing the distressing circumstances which led the prisoner to resort to crime.— [Pleaded guility: See original trial image] Judgment respited.

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91. GEORGE HERBERT THACKERAY KING (21) , Unlawfully taking away Mary Ann Staff, a girl seven years and four months old, out of the possession and against the will of her parents. Second Indictment, indecent assault.

MR. BURNIE Prosecuted.


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92. WALTER WHITTER and EDWARD SAUNDERS , Robbery with violence on Francis Keep, and stealing 7s. 6d. from him.

MR. BURNIE Prosecuted; MR. MUIR Defended.

FRANCIS KEEP . I am a labourer, and live at Parson's Green, Enfield—on 23rd November, a little after 11 p.m., I was going home along the footpath in Pennyfather's fields—Whiter walked with me and Saunders behind on the grass—Saunders struck me in the back of the neck and knocked me down; they held me down—Whitter picked my pocket of 7s. 6d. and a few halfpence; both took to their legs, one ran along the path and the other on the grass—I heard the gate go—I said "I know you" when I was on the ground.

Cross-examined. I left home about dusk, about 4.30—I had asked Saunders to put my tools in his yard—I know him; he works with me—I promised him a pot of beer—we went to Mrs. Smith's, at the Archway Tavern—that was not the first pot; I did not have it in pots—I changed a half-sovereign at the Sergeant beerhouse the first thing in the morning, and it was the change I lost—I was in the Archway between 4 and 5 o'clock—I left when the house was shut up at 11 p.m.—I stood drink to Saunders and Whiter; others drank out of the same pot—Saunders put his fingers in my watch-pocket there—I said "Take

your fingers out of my pocket, and he shoved his fingers away—I am called Frank—another man was there called Frank—Saunders said "Drink, Frank will pay for it, won't you, Frank?"—I promised I would—none of them had any money and I gave them drink—I thought Saunders meant to rob me when he had his fingers in my pocket—Pennyfather's fields is a lonely place—the night was not dark—if you saw anybody you would know them—I did not notice the moon—I did not know who knocked me down 'till afterwards—I got home about 11.30 or a few minutes afterwards—I opened the door—my brother was there—I told him how I had been robbed and knocked down—I believe Mary Ann Palmer lives next door—I was not drunk—I did not swear terribly; I don't swear much at home—I might have said a bad word or two—my brother did not say "Who have you been drinking with?"—I did not say who robbed me till the morning—I know the lad Alfred Dearman—I did not see him in the Archway Tavern—I was not drunk and quarrelsome—I did not see a lad named Kitchener there—if they say I was drunk and quarrelsome it is not true—I cannot say Saunders did not leave at 10.15—I did not see him leave—Pennyfather's fields is not on Saunders' or Whitter's way home—it was in the middle of the field I was attacked, after I had got over the bridge there.

MARIA SMITH . I am the wife of Thomas Smith, landlord of the Archway Tavern—Keep was in the house on 23rd November till closing time—Whitter came in about 8.45—Saunders came before Whitter—Saunders left first, about 10.15—Keep left when eight or ten left at closing time—Whitter was among them.

Cross-examined. There is a tap-room and a bar and parlour in my house—the prisoners and the prosecutor did not go in the parlour—no one else served that evening—sometimes a servant goes in—I have a potboy who fetched the beer for the tap-room—I did not go in the tap-room till 11 o'clock to say it was closing time—I don't know Dearman by name—Kitchener was there—Keep was not drunk; he had had beer—he was not sober.

MR. BURNIE said after the cross-examination of the prosecutor he would not press the case further by calling more evidence.


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93. RICHARD MILLER Forging and uttering a cheque for payment of 2l. 10s., with intent to defraud.

MR. BURNIE Prosecuted; MR. A. METCALFE Defended.

JAMES CHARLES . I am a cheesemonger at 458, Hornsey Road—I have known the prisoner about three years; he was a former customer; he used to keep the Railway Hotel near my house—on 27th February, some months after he left the hotel, he came and asked me to change this cheque for 2l. 10s. on the London and South-Western Bank, signed "Hemsworth"—I paid it into the London and County Bank, and it was returned marked "No account"—before or after it was returned I received this letter from the prisoner. (This, dated February 28th, 1886, requested him to hold the cheque for a few days, and that he would call and give him the cash, as he had received a letter from the drawer requesting him not to pay it away, and stated that he would call on Tuesday.) He never called—about three months afterwards I saw him and spoke to him about the cheque—he said he would pay both the accounts up in about

a month—he gave me a sovereign, and has since paid me 5s. and 1s. in stamps—I have not received the balance.

Cross-examined. I changed it entirely for the prisoner; I looked at his endorsement—I have changed cheques for him a number of times—on many occasions I have been asked to hold them over, and he has always paid me—I did not wish to proceed with this charge against him.

WALTER SMALL . I am a cashier at the London and South-Western Bank, Holloway—no person named Hemsworth had an account there in March last—I don't know the name—this cheque was presented, and returned marked "No account"—the prisoner had had an account there; it was closed on March 31st, 1885—I have seen him write—I should think this cheque was in his handwriting.

JOHN COGGS (Police Sergeant Y). I apprehended the prisoner at Pimlico—I told him I held a warrant for his apprehension, and I read it to him—he said "I thought the matter was all settled, I have paid Mr. Charles 26s. back."


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94. RICHARD MILLER was again indicted for forging and uttering an order for the payment of 1l. 9s. 6d.

MR. BURNIE Prosecuted; MR. METCALFE Defended.

WILLIAM PLANT . I live at 512, Hornsey Road, and am a greengrocer—I knew the prisoner as a customer—in March last he came and asked me to change this cheque for 1l. 9s. 6d., dated 8th March, 1886, purport—to be drawn by Hemsworth, in favour of R. Miller, on the Holloway Branch of the London and South-Western Bank—I gave him the change—I paid it away to a neighbour—it was ultimately returned marked "No account."

Cross-examined. I was asked to hold it over—I changed it really looking to his endorsement—I knew he was temporarily out of employment, and that a fortnight before he was arrested he got into a good situation—I have changed cheques for him before—I always found him a respectable man.

WALTER SMALL . I am cashier of the London and South-Western Bank, Holloway Branch—this cheque was returned from our bank marked "No account"—no one of the name of Hemsworth had an account there—I knew the prisoner as a customer some years ago.

Cross-examined. These are the only two cheques that have been presented.


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95. ALFRED MOSS (29) , Attempting to burglariously break and enter the dwelling-house of William Smith, with intent to steal therein; and unlawfully assaulting Isaac Collins, a constable, in execution of his duty.

MR. LYONS Prosecuted; MR. PURCELL Defended.

WILLIAM SMITH . I reside at 27, Tredegar Road, Bow—at 1 a.m. on 3rd December I heard a noise, and came downstairs and saw the prisoner and constable struggling together on the doorstep—I went outside and saw that a knife was inserted under the catch, and that the lower sash was up—that window was all right when I went to bed—I had examined it when I went to bed—I don't always go to bed as soon as I go upstairs.

Cross-examined. There are railings to my house, and just inside I saw the prisoner and policeman struggling.

ISAAC COLLINS (Policeman K 168). About 12.35 am. on 3rd December I was on duty in St. Stephen's Road, Bow; I saw the prisoner and another man—they walked as far as Athelstone Road, then they stopped and walked to the next road and stopped; then they went into the Tredegar Road and turned to the right—as they passed along they appeared to be looking at the houses—I crossed over on the other side—when they got to the prosecutor's house they stopped—I went inside a gateway and three steps down the area, where I could watch their proceedings—the prisoner went inside the garden and his companion watched outside—the prisoner was inside about three minutes—the sash was pulled down—I came out to seize him, when his confederate whistled and ran away—I confronted and seized the prisoner; there was a violent struggle; he kicked me on the right groin and the knee—I drew my truncheon when I was nearly overpowered and struck him several times about the body—I blew my whistle and another constable came to my assistance—I woke the prosecutor.

Cross-examined. I am new to that district—I should not know the other man if I saw him again—I was about five yards from them first, and when I saw the prisoner at the window I was about 25 yards on the opposite side of the road—they are private houses there—there are two lamps; it was rather dark where I was, quite light where they were—I watched them past Antill and Althorpe Roads—I had not seen either of the the two men before—one of the men whistled and the other ran out of the gateway—I am quite sure I caught the prisoner within the gate-way—I have made inquiries about the prisoner; I find he bears an excellent character, and has been five years in his present situation—he lives about a mile and a half from this house—the Magistrate sent this case for trial without waiting for the witnesses who were in attendance for the defence.

WALTER SCARF (Policeman K 137). On, this morning I heard the sound of a whistle and went to Tredegar Road, where I found the prisoner and Collins struggling together inside a gateway—I found this knife underneath the bottom window sash, and this splinter from the inside of the window sash.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I crossed the road and the constable caught hold of me and took me across the road and said, 'You are just the man I want,' and he pushed me into the gateway and pushed me down. He turned his lamp on to the window and said, 'Do you know anything about this?' I said, 'For God's sake don't say anything, and he said, 'If you move I will knock your b—brains out with this,' and he hit me several times with his staff, and he blew his whistle and the other constable came."

Witnesses for the Defence.

THOMAS DRAPER . I am a signalman on the North London Railway—on the evening the prisoner was locked up I met him in the Lady Franklin public-house at a quarter past 12—Snary and Thomas were there also in our company—we remained there till about half-past 12, and about five minutes afterwards we all left him—he was then going home alone—I had known him before; I knew he was employed at Clarke, Coombs, and Co.'s for the last five years, and that before that he was six and a half years at Lloyd's, Bush Lane, where he was apprenticed, that his brother

is at Hall and Son's, and that his father is a very respectable biscuit baker, and that he himself bears an excellent character.

Cross-examined. The Lady Franklin is about four minutes' walk from the Tredegar Road.

WALTER THOMAS . I am a signalman on the North London Railway—I was with the other signalman, the prisoner, and Snary at the Lady Franklin from a quarter past 12 till 25 minutes to one—we then parted company and he proceeded home by himself—I had known him about three weeks—I heard next night that he was locked up.

JOHN SNARY . I am a blacksmith, and work for Mr. Maples, a coppersmith—I have known the prisoner five years; he has borne an excellent character, and is a member of a hard-working family—on this night I was in his company from a quarter past 7 till 25 minutes to 1—I met him in White Post Lane at the Perseverance, and we were afterwards at the Lady Franklin with the two signalmen—we all left the prisoner about 25 minutes to 1—he lives at Stepney, one and a half or two miles from the Lady Franklin—he said as he left us to go home he should trot all the way home to get warm.

By the COURT. He must have gone through Tredegar Road to get home.

The prisoner received a good character from his father.


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96. ELIZABETH DAVIS (24) , Stealing a purse and 1l. 10s., the goods and money of John Henry Stammers Hawkins, from his person.

MR. BURNIE Prosecuted; MR. PURCELL Defended.

JOHN HENRY STAMMERS HAWKINS . I am an upholsterer—on 4th December, about 20 minutes to 10 p.m., the prisoner and another woman, who were strangers to me, met me at the corner of Acorn Street—the other woman wanted me to treat her; I refused—they caught hold of my arms and we went three doors down the street, and then I was knocked or I fell down—I felt for my purse, which had been in my left-hand pocket—the prisoner was on my left-hand side; I clung to her and called "Police"—a policeman came up and I gave her in charge—I had had a glass but I was sober.

Cross-examined. The police kept me at the station for about an hour, but only because I was so excited—I am not certain whether I fell or was knocked down—I had been at the Carlyle Club that evening for some little time, and then I went to a public-house for a minute or two—I went from the public-house to my mother's milk shop, which I left about half-past 9—I told the Alderman I fell on the ground; I did fall—I did not feel anybody take my purse—I felt for it when on the ground, and could not find it in my pocket—I had seen it safe at my mother's, and my week's wages were in it when I left my mother's—I am quite certain I was not drunk; I was more excited than drunk—I was sober enough to know what I was doing—when they asked me to treat them I said I had not got any money—they held my arms and we walked down Acorn Street; it is a by street—I have not seen my purse or money since—I went down Acorn Street because it is all on my way home; I cut through there generally.

ANN HOUGH . I am a widow living at 23, Acorn Street—I was at the door about half-past 9 or 20 minutes to 10 on 4th December and saw the last witness with the prisoner and another woman, both of whom were

handling him about his person—the prisoner was on his left-hand side—they crossed the road to the fourth house on the left-hand side and placed him against the wall, and during that time they were pulling him about—I watched them and then went for a policeman.

NORMAN FRICKER (City Policeman 909). About 20 minutes past 9 on Saturday, the 4th, I heard cries of "Police," and ran to the corner of Acorn Street, where I saw the prosecutor lying on the ground, and the prisoner on top of him—the prosecutor told me he had been robbed of two half-sovereigns and some silver—I took the prisoner into custody—she said "You have made a mistake"—the prosecutor was drunk.

Cross-examined. I said before the Magistrate he was detained for drunkenness—I don't think he knew what he was about—he was drunk and very much excited.


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97. JOHN WILLIAMS (53) and GEORGE EVANS (42) , Feloniously stealing a purse, two postage stamps, and 3s. 5 1/2 d. from the person of Charlotte Reynolds.

MR. BURNIE Prosecuted.

WALTER OUTRAM (City Policeman 637). About 10 minutes to 8 p.m. on 30th November I was with Jones in Liverpool Street—I saw the two prisoners together, and watched them—I saw them attempt to pick a lady's pocket; then they went up to the prosecutrix, who was looking into a shop window—Williams had a cloth over his left arm, he put his hand under the cloth and against the folds of her dress—Evans stood close up against him—they then left her hurriedly—I caught hold of Evans and Jones of Williams—I said to Evans, "What have you got from that lady?"—he said "I don't know what you mean"—we pushed them back to the lady and asked her in their presence whether she had lost anything—she said she had lost her purse—while I was speaking to Evans, Williams was struggling with Jones in the road—we took them to the station—this purse was afterwards picked up on the footway.

Cross-examined by Williams. I had been watching you about an hour and a half—there were not many people against the window; a crowd collected when you struggled—I was standing on the opposite side of the way when I saw this lady—I said you put your hand under the cloth—I did not see the purse taken, but I saw your hand in the folds of her dress.

Cross-examined by Evans. You said at the station you did not know the other gentleman that stole the purse.

JOHN JONES . I was with Outram, and took Williams—I told him I was a police officer, and said "Let us have the purse"—I took his hand from his right-hand pocket; I did not find it—he struggled with me—a constable came to my assistance; I took Williams to the station—I found there was no bottom to either of his coat pockets.

ADOLPH WILLIAMS . I am a jeweller's assistant, at 29 and 30, Liverpool Street—I saw a struggle outside my shop on this evening, and the two prisoners were taken into custody—I saw a man wheeling a barrow pick up this purse outside the shop—I took it to the police station.

CHARLOTTE REYNOLDS . I am single, and live at 21a, Fann Street,

City—on this evening I was looking into a jeweller's shop—a detective spoke to me, I felt in my pocket, and missed this purse.


WILLIAMS then PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction of felony in March, 1870, in the name of William Barrow.— Five Years' Penal Servitude. EVANS— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

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98. THOMAS BARTER (19) and WILLIAM HEWETT (18) PLEADED GUILTY to breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Frances Humphrey, and stealing three gold chains and other articles, her property, Barter having been convicted of felony* in January, 1882.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour each.

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99. JOHN HENRY DEWS (21) to forging and uttering a request for the delivery of one mile of gutta-percha line wire, with intent to defraud, after a conviction of felony in October, 1884.— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

Reference Number: t18861213-100

100. GEORGE WILSON (42) to breaking and entering the warehouse of William Kentish, and stealing 4s. 6d. and a purse, his goods and moneys— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

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101. ALFRED DELASALLE (32) to burglary in the dwelling-house of Thomas Rudkin, and stealing 28 1b. of beef and other goods.— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] Twelve Months' Hard Labour. And

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102. ROBERT WILLIAMS (34) to stealing a locket from the person of Caroline Ashby, after* a conviction of felony in May, 1886.— [Pleaded guilty. See original trial image.] Two Years' Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.—Wednesday, December 15th, 1886.

Before Mr. Justice Day.

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103. WILLIAM PORTER (61) PLEADED GUILTY to the manslaughter of Sarah Porter.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

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104. JOHN EVANS (21) , Unlawfully carnally knowing Elizabeth Antill, a girl under 16. Other Counts for like offences on the said girl, when under 13.



GUILTY .— Two Years' Hard Labour.

(For other cases tried this day, see Essex and Surrey cases.)

NEW COURT.—Wednesday, December 15th 1886.

Before Mr. Recorder.

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105. JAMES HILL , Feloniously assaulting Louie Dibbin, with intent to ravish her.

MR. GREENFIELD Prosecuted; MR. PURCELL Defended.


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106. GEORGE BAKER , EMBEZZLING 1l. 10s. and 8l. 7s. received by him on account of Frederick Oscar Quinne and others, his masters.

MR. SALTER Prosecuted; MR. FULTON Defended.

CHARLES EDWARD DIPWICK . I am manager to Frederick Oscar Quinne, a china and glass merchant, of 41, St. Mary Axe—the prisoner has been

his traveller for two years; his salary was 3l. a week and 1 per cent commission on the paid amounts resulting from his transactions, and we allowed him 10s. a week for expenses, and provided him with a horse and trap—he had no authority to receive money, and I told him more than once if money was tendered to him to bring it the same evening—his instructions were to return to the office every evening and account for what he had been doing—Messrs. Harcourt, Mills, and Titmarsh, of Wellington Street, Woolwich, owed us 13l. 16s. 1d. on 19th October—the prisoner has never accounted for the receipt of any of that money—this receipt for 30s. is his writing—we were not in his debt on October 19th in any way—on 28th November Mr. George Crosby, of 148, Portobello Road, owed us 19l. 14s. 6d.—the prisoner has never accounted to us for any part of it—this receipt for 8l. 7s. received on account, from Mr. George Crosby is the prisoner's writing—we were not in his debt at that time.

Cross-examined. If we were in his debt he would have no right to help himself to our money—he obtained orders for us, five or six of which or more are not executed—taking them at ten at an average of 5l. each, the commission due to him on them would be 10s.—he has not often received money from customers; if a customer was anxious to pay he was to remit it to the office—the amounts he paid to us as received from customers would not amount to more than four or five instances in the last three months, in sums of 2l., never 5l.—I said nothing when he handed me those sums, though he was doing an irregular thing—I think the receipt of money by him has been more frequent in the last, three months—I have told him he should let the money alone, and tell the customers to remit it to us—I said peremptorily "You are not to receive money in this way"—that might be six months ago, but it still occurred—I did not get very angry—his instructions were to return the same night: you cannot go a long distance in a day with a horse and trap—the defendant used to pay for the horse and trap, and I have his receipts for them here, but I engaged the horse and trap from October 5th—when he engaged them he would be responsible—we allowed him 30s. a week then, besides the 10s., and he only had to use a trap two days a week, and 1l. a week would be enough for it—I cannot say whether this bill (produced) relates to the trap; it is very likely, from the man it was hired of—it is "June 28th, horse and trap, 3l.," but the following week he would have no trap at all; he would walk—I told the Magistrate "He said he had received the money, but had signed our invoice for it on account"—Mr. Crosby owed us 8l. 7s., and Mr. Freeman was in his employ—when the defendant was charged he said he hoped we should not be too hard with him about the 30s.; if we would give him till 4 p.m. he would pay it back.

Re-examined. He was at first paid his commission on giving in the order, so that we were never in his debt—on 19th October he had received his 10s. and 30s. on account of his salary at his request that morning, making 2l.—he said that he thought he was going to Gravesend—from 5th October we always paid the expenses of his horse and trap, so that on 19th October and 5th November we were paying all his expenses.

HARCOURT MILLS . I am an auctioneer, of Wellington Street, Woolwich, and am a customer of the prosecutor's—I know the prisoner as their traveller—he came on 19th October, when I owed them money,

and said "I thought I had enough money, but have run short on the road; could you let me have a couple of sovereigns?"—I gave him 30s. off the account of his employers, and he gave me this receipt (produced).

Cross-examined. He said "I want some money to help me on my journey."

EDWIN FREEMAN . I am manager to George Crosby, of 150, Portobello Road—the prosecutor owed me 8l.7s. for china, and on November 26th the prisoner called in the usual way, and I gave him further orders and paid him the 8l. 7s.—he gave me this receipt.

Cross-examined. I saw him again on the following Monday, when he said that he had spent some of the money and lost some—he asked me to take back some of it, as he was afraid of handing it to his employers—he said he would pay me the difference, and asked me to send it on, but I said that that would not be a proper business transaction—I have known him ten or twelve years.

Re-examined. It was on the Monday or Tuesday after the transaction that he came back and made that proposition to me—I declined to entertain it, but told him if he gave me the whole amount I would send it on for him.

SAMUEL BACON (City Detective). The prisoner was discharged from Guildhall last Friday week, and I took him custody on his leaving on the charge of embezzling 30s.—he said to Mr. Dipwick "Don't be too hard on me; give me till 4 o'clock and I will pay it"—I afterwards served a notice on him in the other charge—he said that he meant to pay the prosecutors.

Witness for the Defence.

WILLIAM GIBSON . I am a coachman, of 6, Howard Road, Stoke Newington—on 19th October I drove the prisoner to Woolwich, and then we went on to Gravesend—we were two days and two nights on the journey—when he got to Woolwich he said that he had not sufficient money to go on with—we had to stop at an inn, and to discharge my expenses and his for two nights and two days—the weight was 8 cwt. to half a ton of samples—we stayed at the Bull and George—I had 7s. for putting up the horse and trap, and besides that I had all my expenses at the inn.

Cross-examined. I have frequently driven the prisoner, but do not remember his borrowing money on the road before—he called and solicited orders at Gravesend.


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107. JOSEPH BELL and GEORGE BROOKS , Stealing a bag of pepper and a bag of cloves, the goods of White, Palmer, and Co., Limited.

MR. BURNIE prosecuted; MR. ORDHAM defended Bell.

ROBERT BELL . I am no relation to the prisoner Bell—I live at 5, Lansdowne Cottages, and am a carman in the service of Mr. Peters, of 44, Tenter Street—he has a barrow in his warehouse—on Sunday, 28th November, the prisoner Brooks asked me to lend him the barrow for half an hour—I did so, and he never brought it back—I have since seen it at Seething Lane Police-station.

WILLIAM WESTOVER . I live at 23, Booth Street, Spitalfields, and am a labourer—I am 17 years old—I know Brooks; he is no relation to me but I call him "Uncle"—I go every Sunday to clean his pony—on

Sunday, 28th November, he asked me to come and do a job at 9, Mincing Lane, at 4 o'clock, and bring the barrow and some sacks and baskets—I went at 4 o'clock with the sacks and baskets, and Brooks had gone on to 9, Mincing Lane—I met him there about 4.15, and he brought out a big bag full of goods and put it on the barrow—I don't know if the gate was open—he said "Take them to my place directly," and went back into the building—I had not got far when I was stopped by the police and taken to the station, and then charged before the Alderman with unlawful possession, and was afterwards discharged.

Cross-examined by MR. FORDHAM. I did not see Brooks open the gate; I was about three yards from it—I saw no one assisting him.

LEWIS STONE (Police Inspector). I was acting inspector at Seething Lane Police-station—about 4.10 p.m. on Sunday, 28th September, I was passing through John Street, Minories, with Sergeant Cook, and saw Westover with a costermonger's barrow with some empty sacks on it—about a quarter of an hour afterwards I was in Fenchurch Street, and saw him coming out of Mincing Lane with the barrow loaded; there was a large bag containing the smaller bags, and three or four big bags; I told Cook to stop him; he said something to Cook, in consequence of which I went to 9, Mincing Lane, and there saw Bell; I told him that Westover had stated that the things were brought from there, and asked him what he knew about them, and if he had any explanation to give—he said "No; I know nothing about it; they did not come from here"—I said "Have you the keys of the building?"—he said "Yes"—I said "Has anyone else keys of the building?"—he said "No one else but myself"—he opened the gate with some keys and spoke to us—I then examined the property; it consisted of 13 bags of pepper, four bags of cloves, and one bag of ginger, which was afterwards identified by the prosecutor.

Cross-examined by MR. FORDHAM. I think he had the keys in his hand, but they may have been on the baluster.

GEORGE COOK (Police Sergeant). I was with Stone—I have heard his evidence and agree with it.

Cross-examined by MR. FORDHAM. I did not see where the keys were taken from.

WILLIAM HARDING (City Detective). At 9 a.m. on 29th November I went to 9, Mincing Lane and saw Bell; he knew me—I said "I have, come to see you respecting a boy in custody who was found in possession of a quantity of pepper, cloves, and other things, which you know of"—he said he knew nothing about it—I said "The boy alleges that they came from this building, and he took them from a man named Brooks "—he said "I know nothing about it"—he also said "I saw Brooks at half-past three on Sunday afternoon through the gates; I said 'Halloa, Brooks, how are you?' he said 'All right; can you give us a nip?' I asked him what he meant; he said 'A drink, as the houses are closed; I said 'No, I cannot'"—I then said "Did you have anyone here yesterday with you"—he said "No"—I said "Did anyone have the keys?"—he said "No"—I said "The property has been identified as having come from Messrs. White and Palmer's sale rooms, and some of it was seen safe on Saturday afternoon; can you account for it having left the premises?"—he said "Only by the gates having been opened by a false key"—I said "They would require two false keys, one for the gate and the other for the sample-room"—he said "I suppose I shall

be blamed as I was the watchman"—he was then given in charge and I took him to the station.

Cross-examined by MR. FORDHAM. I don't think my evidence as regards Bell has grown a great deal—I did not say anything before the Lord Mayor about telling him about goods being taken away that he knew of—I wish to explain: I said that I came to see him respecting a boy who was in custody for having a lot of pepper and other things that he knew of, because he had been spoken to by another officer—I have known Bell ten years, and he always seemed to me a respectable man.

GEORGE ALBERT PINNOCK . I live at 109, Peckham Rye, and am a clerk in the service of White, Palmer, and Co. (Limited), spice merchants, of 9, Mincing Lane—I was shown this property at Seething Lane Police-station, and identified it as my masters'; the value is about 10l.—it would take some time for one man to move it, it weighs about 4 cwt.—to the best of my belief every bag of that was in the saleroom on Saturday when it was locked up.

Cross-examined by MR. FORDHAM. I did not lock it—I do not know of my own knowledge that it was locked—after the rooms are locked the charwoman unlocks them to go in, and when she has done, it is her duty to give the key back to the watchman—this is a very large place, there are four flights of stairs and three floors to each staircase, with, I should think, about 60 tenants—these bags are of various weights and sizes, and the pepper bags weigh about 20 lb. each.

JOHN HILL . I am housekeeper at 9, Mincing Lane, City—the key of Messrs. White, Palmer, and Co.'s office is kept in my lodge; the key of the outer gate is kept by the watchman—on Sunday, 28th November, I left my lodge and keys in Bell's charge, and left him in charge of the place—on Sundays the two gates, one leading into Whitechapel and the other into Mincing Lane, are both kept locked—Bell is called the day watchman; he comes in the week during the day, and on Sundays he comes at 8.30 and leaves about 9 p.m.—the charwoman does not come on Sundays; the only person in charge on Sunday would be Bell.

Cross-examined by MR. FORDHAM. I left Bell in charge on Saturday night about 5 o'clock; I can't say whether the keys were then handed up and hanging in the lobby—the charwoman would have a right to take them out of the lobby—I don't know whether the gates were locked on Sundays or not—another watchman named Bateman came on on Sunday night; Bell had relieved him in the morning—the lodge is not a room, it is a sentry-box in the corridor; there is no fireplace in it—I have no particular recollection of this Sunday being a cold day—the watchman ought to have the keys on the front banister facing the gates or in his pocket—he has no right to go out for refreshment, he ought to bring it with him—we did not expect him to be in his box the whole time; he had to deliver letters on the Sunday over the whole building, and other work, so that he would be perfectly justified in leaving this gate for some time, but he would be within hearing of the gate bell—Brooks has been in the habit of coming to 9, Mincing Lane for some years; he is a wastepaper dealer, and Bell would know him to speak to—if anybody got in at the outer gate they would have no trouble in taking the keys out of the lobby if the door was open—I have known Bell 25 years, and he has been in my employment 12 or 14 years, and I have always had the highest opinion as to his honesty.

Re-examined. The gates ought to be kept locked on Sunday, and he ought to carry the keys with him.

FREDERICK BLUNT (Policeman 849). About a quarter to 10 p.m. on 8th December I arrested Brooks at a public-house in Globe Road—I walked across to him and touched him on the shoulder and said "Mr. Brooks, I want you"—he said "How do you know my name is Brooks?"—I said "I know you very well, I shall take you in custody for being concerned with two other men now in custody in stealing some spices"—he said "All right"—when I got in the Mile End Road he said "I will speak the truth; Joe the watchman unlocked the gates and let me in; he then went to the lobby, took the key from the hook on the board, took me to Messrs. White and Palmer's office on the first floor, and assisted me in bringing the stuff downstairs"—he also stated that the arrangement was made on the Friday previous to the Sunday, in the Ship public-house, Tower Street—I took him to the station and he was charged—on the way to the Mansion House last Friday, in the presence of Detective Harding, he said "I gave Joe, the watchman, a sovereign," pointing to the ship public-house as we passed, "and I was going to give him some more on the Monday."

Cross-examined. Bell was not within hearing when Brooks made this statement about him, and I have never got Bell to repeat it in his presence—I have known Bell for seven years, and have always known him to be an honest and respectable man.

Brooks's Defence. I am sure this man helped me to carry these bags downstairs, I could not carry them myself; and how should I know where White and Palmer's key was in that lobby? I admit I have been there of a night, but not in the daytime.

BROOKS— GUILTY .— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour. BELL— NOT GUILTY .

THIRD COURT.—Wednesday, December 15th, 1886.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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108. HENRY SIMPSON (18) , Unlawfully having counterfeit coin in his possession, with intent to utter the same.


JOHN TAYLOR (Police Sergeant E 5). On 23rd November I was off duty, in plain clothes, in the Strand, near Charing Cross Station, a little before 3 p.m.—I saw the prisoner with another man loitering about on the post-office side—I watched them; the prisoner got on to an omnibus, the other man walked a short distance, I followed him; he appeared to observe me and ran between the traffic towards Villiers Street, and I lost him—I came back and ran along the Strand and caught the omnibus, on the top of which the prisoner was—I rode on the 'bus, on the footboard, to the Law Courts, where I called Coster—I gave him directions and went on the top of the omnibus again—I said to the prisoner "I am a policeman, have you anything about you?"—he said "No"—I said "I must search you"—he said "Take me to the station or into some shop"—I said "No, I must do it here"—I then called up Coster and commenced to search the prisoner on the knifeboard of the 'bus—I took from his right coat pocket a small parcel—I said "What is this?"—he said "I

don't know; I know nothing about it, it was not there until you put it there"—I examined the parcel in his presence; it was a strip of news-paper (which I lost at the police-court) wrapping up these eight counterfeit florins separately, with paper between each coin—I showed it to the prisoner and put it in my pocket—a gentleman, Mr. Hopkins, on the 'bus, who saw it all, handed me his card, and asked me not to call him if I could help it—I took the prisoner into custody—he came quietly off the omnibus; when he got on the pavement he said "You will have a job"—when we got to Wych Street he plunged and kicked and became very violent; I threw him down—he did not kick or assault me—I had another constable with me—he said he would go quietly, but I called on a Mr. Cox, whom I knew, and he assisted me—in Drury Lane the prisoner became violent again and kicked and plunged; he kicked Mr. Cox and knocked Coater through a shop window—we got him to the station, where he was charged—I searched and found on him a penny—after the charge was read over to him he said to the inspector that the coin was not there (meaning in his pocket) until that man (pointing to me) put it there—before the Magistrate the prisoner said "I was at Charing Cross with two men, who, I believe, are confederates of the sergeant"—he told the sergeant "He crossed his arms like this and put it in my pocket"—at the station, when asked his address, he said "I refuse my address."

By the COURT. I did not put it in his pocket.

WILLIAM COSTER (Policeman E 97), I was on duty near the Law Courts on 23rd November, and was called on the top of an omnibus by Taylor, to assist him in searching the prisoner, who was rather violent—Taylor took out of his outside breast coat pocket a parcel, which he opened; it contained eight florins, separately wrapped—the prisoner's coat was buttoned—going through Wych Street the prisoner became very violent, and tried to throw me—we called on Cox—in Drury Lane the prisoner tried to trip me up, and I slipped and fell through a window—before he was searched on the omnibus Taylor did not put his hand on him, he was riding on the footboard—at the station only one penny was found on him.

Cross-examined. You did not ask us to let you walk quietly, nor to take my fingers out of your throat—I did not throw you down and kneel on you, nor did I tear your collar in two.

GEORGE COX . I live at 144, Euston Road—on 23rd November I was at the end of Wych Street, when Taylor called on me, and I went through Wych Street behind the prisoner—he was exceedingly violent, and endeavoured to throw them to the ground—they had hold of him by his arms—he said "If that s—at the back had not got me, you two b—would never hold me; I mean to have a go for it"—at Drury Lane he became violent again, and said, "I will do for him at the back"—he commenced kicking backwards—I received a violent kick on my knee, and he pushed Coster through a shop window.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . These coins are all counterfeit, and from three different moulds.

The prisoner, in a written defence, stated that two men who spoke to him at Charing Cross must have dropped the coins into his pocket.

GUILTY.— Judgment respited.

The Jury commended the conduct of Taylor.

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109. PATRICK DONOVAN , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.


MARY ANN SULLIVAN . I live at 78, Commercial Road—I assist my father, a tobacconist—the prisoner came in on the 17th November, about 20 minutes to 8, for a pennyworth of best shag, and gave me a florin; I gave him change, and put the coin in the till—my sister, as he was leaving the shop, called my attention to it, and I found it was bad—I weighed it in the scales against a good florin, it was lighter—my mother tried it with her teeth and marked it with them—I gave it to my father and then put it on the shelf in the shop, and it was afterwards given to the police—on the following evening the prisoner came in again, about 20 minutes to 8, and asked for half an ounce of shag, price 1 1/2 d.—he gave me a florin, which I saw looked bad as he put it down—I gave the coin to my sister; she took it to my father in the parlour—I sent for a constable and gave the prisoner into custody—these are the two coins—I am certain the prisoner is the man who came in both times.

MARGARET SULLIVAN . I live at 78, Commercial Road, and am the last witness's sister—I assist in the shop—on the evening of 17th November I saw the prisoner come in about 20 minutes to 8, and ask for a pennyworth of shag—he tendered a counterfeit florin—I called my sister's attention to it, as the prisoner was leaving; she weighed it in the scale—I saw the prisoner in the shop the next evening; he asked for half an ounce of shag, and put down a bad florin; my sister picked it up—these are the two florins—I am sure the prisoner is the man.

----DELAHAY (Policeman E 419). I was called to the prosecutor's shop on the 18th, shortly before 8—I saw the prisoner there—Mary Ann Sullivan made a charge against him, and her father said he wished to give the prisoner into custody for bringing a bad 2s. piece there—the prisoner said, "I did not know it was bad; I would not bring it here if did; I worked four hours hard for that"—Mary Ann Sullivan said he came in there the night previous, and passed a bad 2s. piece—he said, "No, I haven't been here since last Saturday"—I took him to the station—I searched him before getting there; I found on him a purse containing a sixpence and three farthings—Mary Ann Sullivan gave me the two coins.

MARY ANN SULLIVAN (Re-examined). We did not call his attention to the coin on the 17th—he was going out of the shop, and my sister went out but could not see him.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . These coins are counterfeit, and from the same mould.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I did not know it was bad."

Prisoner's Defence. I was not in the shop between the 13th and the 18th; I know nothing about the 17th; on the 17th I was paid 2s. 3d. at the docks, and coming home I met a fireman of the Oriental Line, who gave me a florin and 4s. for showing him the way.

GUILTY .— Judgment respited.

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110. JOHN COLE (63) and WILLIAM JONES (66) , Unlawfully having in their possession counterfeit coin, with intent to utter the same.



FANNY ELIZABETH THOMPSON . My father keeps the Black Horse, 46, Haymarket, and I serve behind the bar—on Saturday, 27th November, Cole came in between 2 and 3 p.m. for drink, which came to 1d., and he I gave me a good florin—I gave him a shilling, a sixpence, and 5d. bronze in change—I then went to serve other customers—when I came back he asked me to give him two sixpences for the shilling I had given him, offering me a shilling—I told him it was not the same one I gave him; I gave him a good one—after some discussion I gave him the benefit of the doubt and gave him two sixpences—I bent the bad shilling and broke it in three pieces, which I put in the fire; I did not notice what happened to them—I spoke to Ringer, the potman; the prisoner was then gone—I did not notice Jones.

Cross-examined. The other customers did not say they did not see you touch the shilling—I asked you why you did not ask me for three sixpences when you tendered the florin, and you said you did—a man standing by said you did not.

ROBERT RINGER . I am potman at the Black Horse—on 27th November I was outside, and Miss Thompson made a communication to me and I watched Jones and Cole—I saw Cole come out of the public-house; he did not then speak to Jones, who was standing outside, but went through Jermyn Street towards Regent Street—Jones joined Cole at the corner of Market Street—Cole handed something to Jones; they stopped and appeared to be in-conversation—then they separated, Cole going on towards Regent Street and Jones following him—they turned into Regent Street, and then detected me following them—I crossed to the opposite side of the road and Cole went up Carlton Street, Regent Street—they turned back into St. Alban's Place, and Cole was about to enter the White Lion, but Jones detected that I was watching them and he nodded to Cole and they did not go in—then they went under the piazza of Her Majesty's Theatre, and as Jones was watching me I turned round and ran down Charles Street and into the Haymarket, got into a 'bus, and met them as they came out of the piazza—I rode on the 'bus to the Guards' Memorial at the bottom of Waterloo Place, where I spoke to a constable, who took them into custody—the policeman said, "I believe you have got some bad money on you," and he searched Cole but found nothing—Jones had some paper in his hand, from which a bad shilling dropped out at my feet; I picked it up and handed it to the police—I saw the constable take the paper, but I did not see him open it.

Cross-examined. I did not lose sight of you at all—you were coming up Waterloo Place towards Regent Street when the constable took you, about 30 yards out of Pall Mall—I told the policeman before I met you that you had bad money on you.

ALBERT LINSTEAD (Policeman C 406). I was in Waterloo Place about three o'clock on 27th November—in consequence of what Ringer said to me I stopped the prisoners in Regent Street—they were walking and talking together—I said to Jones, "What money have you about you?"—he said, "What do you mean?"—I said, "I believe you have some bad money about you, and I shall search you"—in his left hand I found a packet containing nine counterfeit shillings, each separately wrapped in paper—on Cole I found three sixpences and 5d. bronze, good money—I took them into custody and to the station.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . These are nine counterfeit shillings here, some of them from one mould—on the paper they were wrapped in are marks of the coins; they don't appear to have been long in the paper.

Cole's Statement before the Magistrate. "This man Jones is a stranger to me. I was discharged from the workhouse on Friday, and after that I was knocking about."

Cole in his defence argued that Jones had plenty of time to throw the coins away when they saw the potman coming after them, and that if he had been aware Jones had them he would have told him to do so

GUILTY.— Judgment respited.

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111. THOMAS DRAKE (30) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin and having others in his possession.


WILLIAM BREWSTER . I am manager at a coffee tavern, 45, Old Compton Street, supported by the Hon. Miss Maud Stanley—on 25th November the prisoner came in about 10 minutes past 6 p.m. for a cup of coffee and two slices of bread and butter, price 2d.—he gave me a counterfeit florin—I bent it; my teeth sank into it—I took no notice of him but sent for a constable and stopped at the door till he came—I then said to the prisoner, "This is a bad one"—he said, "I come from Tilbury Docks; I know where I got it from"—I gave him into custody and gave the florin to the constable—this is the coin.

Cross-examined. You were rather tipsy, I should think, by your appearance.

HARRY HILL . I live at 14, Church Street, Soho, and am a jockey—I was in the coffee tavern when the prisoner came in for two slices and a cup of coffee—he tendered a florin—the witness walked round the corner and sent the young lady in the bar for a constable—the prisoner said, "I know where I got it"—he did not say where—he afterwards said something about Tilbury Docks—the prisoner walked towards the door to try and escape—the manager stopped him till the policeman came.

Cross-examined. You were drunk I should gay.

WILLIAM WISE (Policeman C 162). On the evening of 25th November I was called to 45, Old Compton Street, where I saw Mr. Brewster and the prisoner—Brewster said, "I wish to give this man into custody for attempting to pass a counterfeit florin"—the prisoner said nothing—I searched him, and found in his outside overcoat pocket three counterfeit florins, and two shillings, three sixpences, and 1s. 4d. bronze in his trousers pockets—I told him I should take him into custody for attempting to pass a counterfeit coin; he made no reply—I received this bad florin from Brewster—I took the prisoner to the station, and he was charged formally—in answer to the inspector he said, "I have no address, I live at a common lodging-house"—I think he was pretending to be drunk; he staggered about a great deal, but sometimes he walked very well.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . These coins are all counterfeit—two of the three are from the same mould, but there is no connection between the one uttered and the other three.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I met a friend, who gave me these things to take care of. I put them in my coat pocket with

no intention to use them. I had a drop of beer, and I expect one of them got in with my own money."

GUILTY .— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

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112. GEORGE BARKER (57) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.


FANNY MEARS . My father keeps the Globe public-house, Hosier Lane, West Smithfield, and I assist in the bar—on 26th November the prisoner came in with another man, and the prisoner called for two half-pints of ale, price 2d.—the prisoner handed me a shilling, which I put in the till, and gave him the change—they remained in the bar a few minutes, and then left—about five minutes after I went to the till and looked at the shilling—there was no other shilling in the till when I put it in—it was bad; it was a different colour, it was dark—I tried it in my teeth; they sank in, and the coin bent—I believe there was a florin and four sixpences in the till at the time—I showed the shilling to the potman, Armstrong, and then threw it away—its ring seemed all right, and it sprang—on Friday, 3rd December, about 1 o'clock, the prisoner came in by himself for half a pint of ale and gave me a penny—I recognized him—he remained a little time, and then called for half an ounce of shag, price 2d., and gave me a shilling—I bent it in my teeth, and told him it was bad—he said, "Give it to me back again, and take it out of this," giving me a good sixpence—I said, "I shall not give you this back again, as it is not the first"—he said, "You have never seen me before"—I said, "Yes, last Friday"—he made no answer—I showed the shilling to the potman, and sent for a constable; the prisoner was there, he made no remark—a constable came, and the prisoner was given into custody—the potman gave the shilling to the constable; this is it.

WILLIAM ARMSTRONG . I am potman at the Globe public-house—on 26th November I saw the prisoner with another man in the bar about 7 p.m.—they called for two half-pints of ale, and the prisoner tendered a shilling, which was put in the till—after they left Miss Mears showed me a shilling; I saw it was bad, and broke it in half—on 3rd December, about 1 o'clock, I saw the prisoner there by himself; I recognised him—he had half a pint of ale, and paid with a penny—afterwards he called for half an ounce of tobacco, and put down a shilling—Miss Mears said to him, "This is a bad one, it is not the first one you have given me"—he said, "Take it out of this," putting down a sixpence—she said, "No, I shall not, I shall send the potman for a policeman"—she handed me the shilling—I went for a policeman—I broke the shilling in halves with my teeth; I saw it was bad.

Cross-examined. I was at the farther bar when you came in, and could see you—this is the coin; there is a cross on the back of it.

CORELLI PORTER (City Policeman 379). On 3rd December I was called to the Globe public-house—I went there, and Miss Mears charged the prisoner with uttering a bad shilling—she said, "I wish to give this man into custody for giving me a bad shilling; he came here the Friday previous and gave me a bad shilling, and now he has come in again and given me another one"—the prisoner said, "I had a little drink last night, and I must have taken it then"—he said he had never been in the house before—at the station I searched, and found on him 4d. bronze,

three keys, a tin box, a pair of socks, half an ounce of tobacco, and a piece of soap—this is the shilling the potman gave me.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . This is a counterfeit shilling.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I am not guilty on the first charge; I was never in the house before last Friday."

GUILTY .— Ten Month's Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.—Thursday, December 16th, 1886.

Before Mr. Justice Day.

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113. GEORGE WITNEY , Unlawfully carnally knowing Sarah George, a girl under 16. Other Counts for taking her out of the possession of her father without his consent.

MESSRS. POLAND and MEAD Prosecuted; MR. PURCELL Defended.


NEW COURT.—Thursday December 6th 1886.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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114. JOHN NEATE POCOCK (44) , forging and uttering an order for the payment of 3l., with intent to defraud.

MR. CRAWFORD Prosecuted.

JOSEPH ADAMS . I am a dining-room keeper of 22, Blackfriars Road—I have known the prisoner 18 months—on 13th November he owed me 16s. 2d. for food and lodging, and between 7 and 8 p.m. he came and presented this cheque for 3l., dated 13th November, 1886, drawn on the Capital and Counties Bank, Long Acre Branch, signed "George Webber," and endorsed "J. Neate Pocock"—he said "Take my account out of this cheque"—I looked at it and said "Who is Webber?"—he said "Oh, he is all right, if it is for 20,000l.; that is the party that I told you I got 400l. commission from, for the re-sale of a house in Budge Row"—I said "I will give you a sovereign"—he said "Give me 2l., because I have a guinea to give to another party; you know me, you have no need to be afraid"—I said "I will give you a sovereign, and give you the balance when I have passed it through my bank"—I gave him the 2l.—he said he had just come from the Hotel Metropole, where he had been staying with Webber; that he asked him for some cash there, and he had none, and he gave him the cheque—I paid in the cheque to my bankers, the London Joint Stock Bank, on Monday morning, and it was returned to me on Wednesday marked "No account"—it was crossed and endorsed when I got it—I believed it to be a good cheque when I parted with my money.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You did not show me a letter; you did some days previous, but I did not see who it was signed by—you did not show it me when you handed me the cheque; you showed me nothing—I do not know your writing—according to my opinion the writing on the back and the signature and the body of the cheque are in the same writing—the "n" in the signature "John Neate Pocock" resembles the "n" in "John Pocock" in the body of the cheque; I have not examined the other letters—I have known you for 18 months, and knew you were a

solicitor, and of a very respectable firm, and I am sorry to see you in this position—I never spoke to you about money—there was no conversation between us that if you entrusted me with money I could obtain you certain interest—you told me onee that you were going into the City about the 14,000l. that you and your friend were supposed to be going to receive from the Duke of Manchester for making a railway, and I said you might call on the firm if it was not out of your way.

Re-examined. There was no proposition by him to lend me money—I found out that he was a lawyer at Southampton, but I believe he is now struck off the Rolls—he swindled the firm out of a great deal of money, and nearly ruined them.

By the Prisoner. I found out from a customer in my shop, who came from Shirley, close to Southampton, that you were a member of the firm of Shott, Harper, and Pocock, and that you purloined some deeds out of a safe in their strong room, and pawned them for some thousands of pounds, and that it nearly ruined your firm—he did not tell me that you practised as a solicitor in the town for 12 months afterwards, or that the dispute between the firm and yourself was settled by the Court of Chancery, or that it was never settled whose the property was, or that it was settled by a compromise.

GEORGE ARTHUR STACK SAUNDERS . I am a clerk in the Capital and Counties Bank, Covent Garden Branch, that is sometimes called the Long Acre Branch—no person named George Webber has an account there, and never had—this cheque was presented and marked "No account."

Cross-examined. I am ledger clerk—I do not know the name of Harry Foster and Co.—as well as I can remember three other cheques similar to this were pretended for payment—I don't recollect who they were made payable to, or who presented them; it was not you—they came through the clearing-house from the London and South-Western Bank, and after the date of this one—I have never heard the name of Philp, but I have of Willett's—the initials were H. E. Willetts, and the amounts were 19l., 10l., and 2l. 15l.—they were presented on December 4th, and returned marked "no account"—I can't state whether they were endorsed; your name was not on them—I have seen more of Webber's cheque than these three—I never knew Mr. George Webber; I knew a Mr. Webber, but he does not carry on business in Lombard Street—I never heard that a gentleman named Webber saw the manager of my bank in reference to opening an account there—the third cheque went back in the ordinary course; that was payable to Mr. Curtis Dalton, and was for 30s., and was presented across the counter.

Re-examined. I can't say on what date they were drawn—they were presented on December 4th.

Witness for the Defence.

WILLIAM ROBERT PHILP . I am a solicitor, of 1, Guildhall Chambers,—I know a man named George Webber, and am acquainted with his writing—the signature to this cheque for 3l. is his—I have also here three cheques and a declaration in his writing (produced) (These were all signed George Webber, and were for 19l. 10s., 2l. 15s., and 1l. 10s., and two were payable to H. R. Willetts and one to Curtis Dalton.) I remember the evidence given at Guildhall—I never had any conversation with you at all in reference to Mr. Webber and the cheques previous to the charge being heard there; I did not even know that you

knew him—these three cheques had nothing to do with you to my knowledge; they came into my hands in the ordinary course of business—I do not know where Mr. George Webber is now.

Cross-examined. He used to trade at 18, Adam Street, Adelphi, as a land surveyor, in the name of Taylor, Foster, and Co.—I have known him about two months—I believe he absconded last Friday—I appeared on the prisoner's behalf at Guildhall, acting as his solicitor—these four cheques have never been in his possession; they came direct to me from my client, and have never been out of my possession since they were returned dishonoured, nor before they went to the bank, because they came direct from my client, Mr. Wills—he banks at the London and South-Western.

The RECORDER considered that the cheque was clearly in the writing of the person who signed the other four, and directed a verdict of


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115. JOHN NEATE POCOCK was again indicted for unlawfully obtaining 5l. by false pretences, with intent to defraud.

MR. CRAWFORD Prosecuted,

MARGARET LEONARD . I am cashier at the Imperial Hotel, Holborn Viaduct—the defendant was staying there, and on Saturday, about 5.30 p.m., he came into the office and said "How much is my bill?"—I said "13l. 17l. 6d."—he said "This is a cheque to pay for it," and gave me this crossed cheque. (Dated November 20th, on the Hammersmith branch of the London and County Bank. Pay self or bearer 25l. John Neate Pocock. Marked "No account") He said "I should like some change"—I gave him 5l.—he said "Can you let me have 6l.?"—I said "No; I have no more change"—that was not the full change, because he was not leaving—I gave him the money on the faith of that cheque—he did not say when he should leave, but he left on the Monday morning without notice—about an hour after giving him the 5l. I sent for him—he came, and I said "Will you kindly return me the 5l.?"—he said "That will be all right; don't put yourself out; I am not leaving," and went away, and I did not see him again—the cheque was returned marked "No account."

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I have not got the books here or a transcript of your account; it was entered up to date—I did not enter the 5l. in the book on paying it to you, but it was entered next morning, Sunday, not in the same way as the other things, but "Cash lent on cheque, 5l.," so that when your bill was called for it would not be forgotten—I cannot say whether "Cash lent" or "Cash lent on cheque" is in the bill; another young lady wrote it—the 5l. was lent on the faith of the cheque you gave me—you did not ask me for 6l. the first time you came, but the second time—you then said that you had bought the hotel and it would be all right—you said "You know my position here "—I thought it over, and I had heard that you had bought the hotel, and believed you were in the house on account of that, and it satisfied me—I am in the service of Mrs. Williams and Mr. Dove, who carry on the hotel.

By the COURT. I gave him the 5l. on the cheque, not in consequence of his position there; it was on the faith that the cheque was a good one—I would not have given it to him if the cheque had not been presented.

JOHN EDWARD SMITH . I am cashier of the Hammersmith Branch of the London and County Banking Company—there is no person named John Neate Pocock who has an account there, nor has there ever been—this cheque-form was issued to Mrs. S. A. Wingrove on 13th January, 1881—she has no account there now—she left a balance of a few pence, which we transferred to what we call the dormant account in March, 1881.

Cross-examined. I have been nearly nine years in the service of the bank, seven years at Hammersmith; that branch has been open nearly 15 years—I have looked through the whole of the signature-books for your name—I have not got them here—there was no necessity to look at other books—if there had been an account in the ledger, and the name was not in the signature-book, I should not have detected the account, but no account would be opened without a signature; it is the universal rule.

Re-examined. It is impossible for an account to be opened without the name appearing in the signature-book.

JAMES LITHAM (City Detective Sergeant). On 25th November I received a warrant for the defendant's arrest, and on December 1st I went to the Dyers' Arms and found the prisoner there, and read it to him—it charged him with obtaining 6l. from the witness Leonard—he said "That is a mistake, the amount was 5l."—I took him to the station, where 7 1/2 d. was found on him.

The prisoner, in his defence, staled that a gentleman named Baker, of Mansion House Chambers, introduced the Imperial Hotel to him as a property for sale, having previously sold him other property, and stated that the building cost 100,000l. and the furniture 20,000l., and that it could be purchased as a going concern, and, having had 20 years' experience in such matters, he was disposed to buy it, and saw the liquidators, who agreed to sell for 22,000l.; that the matter then went into the hands of Mr. Andrews, a solicitor, who filled in his (the prisoner's) name in the agreement; that he then went and stayed in the hotel to see what business it was doing, that nine people who were interested in the hotel dined there with him, and on the Saturday in question he asked how much his bill was, said that he wanted 5l. or 6l., received 5l., and threw down the cheque, and that he remained in the hotel all the next day (Sunday), and till 1 o'clock on the Monday, when, he went to Mr. Baker, and found that someone else had cut him out in the purchase of the hotel, and the manager had been sent down with the cheque; he contended that it was not proved that he had no account at the bank, the signatures' in the book being so numerous that his name might be overlooked, and stated that it was not uncommon for customers to use each other's cheques; he stated that the money was advanced to him on his credit as the future owner of the hotel, and that he was prepared to pay back three times the 25l., but was arrested before he could do so; that he and his father had both been articled to the firm of solicitors in Southampton in which he afterwards became a partner, and that it was not likely that he had the least intention of robbing the Hotel Company, having had larger transactions in such matters than any man in England.

GUILTY .— Four Months' Hard Labour.


Before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18861213-116

116. CHARLES CARLEE PLEADED GUILTY to personating a voter at a municipal election.— Discharged on recognisances.

Before Mr. Justice Day.

Reference Number: t18861213-117

117. WILLIAM HENRY MARTIN (20) , Feloniously wounding Emily Farmery, with intent to murder. Second Count, to do grievous bodily harm.

MR. MUIR Prosecuted.

EMILY FARMERY . I live at 4, Abbey Cottages, Abbey Road—I am 21 years of age—I have known the prisoner about 18 months—I had engaged to marry him him at Christmas, but about three weeks before 9th November I had put it off—during that three weeks the prisoner on several occasions asked me to go for a walk with him—on a Sunday night, a day or so before 9th November, he asked me to go with him to the Millwall Docks—I said I should not go—on the Tuesday he came to see me about 2 or 2.30; he came in and sat by the fire—I got up to wash myself; after I had done so he asked if I was going out—I said I was going to Stratford—he said "Can I come with you?"—I said "No; I don't want you"—he said "It seems to me as if you don't want me to go anywhere with you"—I said "No"—he asked was I going to the dock with him—I said "No, not on a day like this"—one or two more words passed—he asked me again should he go to Stratford—I said "No"—he then asked me to give him a plain understanding did I intend to have him or not—I did not answer at first—he said "Do you intend to have me?"—I said "I will gave you an answer, the fact of it is I don't want you"—he said "No, I know you don't, and did not for a long time"—I then went out in front and he went into the back yard—when I had got a little way on to Abbey Bridge he came running after me, about 100 yards from my house; I turned round to the girl who was with me and said "Here he comes; I don't want him along Stratford with me"—he came and caught hold of me by my shawl and pushed me against the wall and said "You gave me a plain understanding, do you mean it?"—I said "Yes," upon which he said "You shall have no one else"—I said "I shall please myself about that"—he said "I swear you shall roll dead at my feet on this bridge," at the same time he pulled his knife out and stabbed me in the back; I fell on the ground on my face, and he knelt down and stabbed me twice more—I saw the knife glittering and tried to get it from him, and after that he turned round and knelt on me across my chest and tried to strangle me—before I was struck I saw a man in a cart, and said "Master, come down, he is going to stab me"—after I was on the ground someone came and pulled him of—after he was pulled off he tried to kick me—then I went away—I believe he was sober.

HANNAH WALKER . I am single—I live in the same house as Farmery—on 9th November I walked out with her to the Abbey Bridge—I saw the prisoner running after us; he caught hold of Farmery by the shoulder, and asked her if she meant having him—she said "No"—he

said she should not have anyone else—she said she did not want him—he said she should lie dead on the bridge—I saw him take a knife from his side, it was closed, he opened the large blade, and it broke in opening; the blade bent as he opened it—this is the knife (produced)—as he then went to strike it broke off—he then opened the small blade and went to stab her with it, and it hit on the edge of the kerb and broke—he then stabbed her four times with the second blade—she fell after the first stab—I saw Mr. Van white passing; I called out "Help "to him, and he got off his cart and took the prisoner off her.

FREDERICK VANWHITE . I am a carman, and live at Leyton—I was passing Abbey Mill Bridge in my cart, and saw the prisoner and the two girls—the girl on the pavement called out, "Help, help, he has got a knife; he is stabbing me"—I jumped out of the cart and pinned the prisoner; he was stabbing her in the back and side—he threw the knife away in the road—he said if it was 24 years he would settle her, or do for her.

ALFRED ROBINSON . I am a nautical instrument maker, of Morton Street, West Ham—about three on the 9th November, I was near the Abbey Bridge, and met Farmery coming from the bridge; in consequence of what she said to me, I went to the bridge and there saw the prisoner in custody of Vanwhite—I picked up the knife; one blade was broken off short, the smaller blade was open—I asked the prisoner how he broke the blade—he said he had bent it in using it, and in straightening it he broke it—I gave the knife to the policeman—the prisoner appeared to be perfectly sober.

JOHN WINGFIELD (Policeman K 72). I found the prisoner in Van-white's custody on the bridge—I asked him if he had stabbed a young woman—he said "Yes, it is a pity I have not done for her; I meant doing for her"—I asked where the young woman was—he said, "At 3, Abbey Mill Cottages"—I took the prisoner there, and afterwards to the station—he was there charged—he made no reply—Robinson gave me the knife—I produce the clothes the prosecutrix had on at the time.

CHARLES SAUDERS . I am a surgeon, of 29, Church Street, West Ham—on 9th November, at 3.15, I was called to see the prosecutrix at 3, Abbey Mill Cottages—I examined her; she had three clean cut wounds on her back, also a cut on the little finger of the right hand—the wounds were stabs, and were directed downwards; I probed them, one was over the lower part of the left shoulder blade, and the others over the seventh and eighth ribs, near the spine—these are the clothes she had on—there was a good deal of blood about the chemise—there was not severe haemorrhage—she was not in danger—she is quite recovered now; she was eighteen days under my care, and then passed to another surgeon—the wounds might have been inflicted by the small blade of this knife—there were three stabs which went through the clothes into the body.

Prisoner's Defence. I did not try to strangle her after I had stabbed her, because I was in the custody of Mr. Vanwhite—as to kicking her, I did not—I can find no excuse for doing this except that I was in a temper at the time; I hardly knew what I was doing; I am very sorry it was done.

GUILTY of unlawfully wounding. Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.


Before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18861213-108a

108. CATHERINE SMITH (50) PLEADED GUILTY to stealing five jackets, the goods of Henry Keating, after a conviction of felony in October, 1876.— Four Months' Hard Labour.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

Reference Number: t18861213-119

119. ELIZABETH JONES (47) , Unlawfully uttering a medal resembling a sovereign, but of less value. Another Count charging the intent to obtain 20s. by false pretences.


SUSAN GRIGGS . I am barmaid at the Grown and Anchor public-house, New Cross Road—on 13th November the prisoner came in about 10.30, for half a pint of ale, and paid with a good penny—then she said, "Will you give me change for a sovereign?" and placed this coin on the counter—I cannot say which side was uppermost—I first noticed it was very light—I said, "This is bad"—she said, "No, it is not, I took it at the bank"—I took it to Mr. Mitchell, the proprietor, who was at the other side of the bar where she could not see him—she was walking out, but he went round and detained her till a policeman came—I have been lately married, my name is now Susan Smith.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You did not ask me whether it was good or bad; you asked me to change it; I said, "Will you have all silver?"—you made no reply.

GEORGE MITCHELL . I keep the Crown and Anchor, New Cross Road—on 13th November, between 10.30 and 11, the last witness brought me this coin—I went to the bar, and on approaching the prisoner she attempted to walk out of the house—I told her I should detain her till a constable came—she said "What for?"—I said "For attempting to pass bad money"—she said, "It is not bad at all, I have taken it to-day at the bank"—a constable came, and I repeated the charge in his presence, she said again that it was not bad—I gave her in custody with the coin.

LUKE SMITH (Policeman R 348). I was called and Mitchell made a charge against the prisoner—I told her I should take her for attempting to pass a bad coin—she said, "I have done nothing, policeman; I only asked them to change it for me"—Mr. Mitchell gave me this coin.

CHARLES CLARKE (Police Sergeant R 21). I was at the police-station when the prisoner was brought there on 13th November—after the charge was taken she said, "I am not drunk, I know what I am about; I knew it was a bad sovereign and I went to see if they would find it out"—I could smell that she had been drinking, but I did not notice it by her appearance—she seemed perfectly well to know what she was about—she said nothing about change.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . This coin is made of brass and is of no value—it is a Hanoverian medal, and was struck at the time of the Queen's Accession—an Act has been passed prohibiting their manufacture.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I only gave it to know if it was good or bad. That is why I gave the penny, because I did not know if it was good or bad. It was not done from a bad intention."

The prisoner in her defence stated that she picked the coin up and asked then whether it was good or bad, and that they were talking together and did not know what she was doing.

GUILTY** of attempting to obtain money by false pretences. Nine Months' without Hard Labour.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr., Esq.

Reference Number: t18861213-120

120. ALFRED BYENE, Indecently assaulting Elizabeth Burn.

MR. BURNIE Prosecuted.

GUILTY.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury. Twelve Months' Hard Labour.


Before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18861213-121

121. JOHN RALPH BLACKWELL (19) , Unlawfully attempting to obtain 2l. from Marcus Alexis Septimus Browne, by false pretences.

MR. WILMOT Prosecuted; MR. A METCALFE Defended.

MARCUS ALEXIS SEPTIMUS BROWNE . I am proprietor of the Covent Garden Hotel, Covent Garden—I did not see the prisoner when he came to the hotel on Saturday night, or on the Sunday; I may have seen him on the Monday, but among the number of visitors I can't say—on Tuesday, the 14th, about 5 o'clock, one of the porters brought me a cheque for 8l. 3s., in consequence of which I went down to the smoking room and saw the prisoner—I said as the cheque was made out for 8l. 3s. and his bill only amounted to 6l. 3s., not knowing him I could not give change or take the cheque—he said he had no money—I said he ought to have presented the cheque during banking hours that we might have got it changed—he said he had been occupied and unable to get money, and if I would take the cheque I should find it would be all right in the morning—eventually he made out a cheque for 6l. 3s. instead of 8l. 3s.—I can't say that I actually saw him write it, but he wrote it at the time; I did not stand watching him—he took back the 8l.;3s. cheque and gave me the other for the exact amount of his bill; this is it—the 8l. 3s. cheque was drawn on Shrubsole and Co., of Kingston-on-Thames, in the name of E. Lane—he left the hotel between 5 and 6; he left his luggage, a very small bag and a small tin box—I paid the cheque in to my bank, it was returned marked "No account"—upon that I opened the luggage which the prisoner had left; it contained nothing' whatever—the apartments he took were occupied every night and the bed was slept in every night—I can't say whether he had all his meals at the hotel; he had breakfasts—he came with a lady and they left together—to the best of my belief he is the man who gave me the cheque—afterwards I picked him out.

Cross-examined. Among those where I picked him out some were taller and some shorter; I don't think there were any of the same appearance—I only had the one conversation with the prisoner—I have three porters and a page boy—I do not know that one of the porters failed to identify the prisoner—the chambermaid is not here; she has left my service.

LEWIS JACKSON . I am page at the Covent Garden Hotel—I remember

the prisoner coming there on Saturday evening, 11th September, with a lady—I was in the hall and opened the door to them—they engaged a bedroom; I showed them the room—I did not see him again that night or next morning—I next saw him the night he left, the 14th—the prisoner is the man, I have no doubt about him—I went to the station and picked him out.

Cross-examined. There was no one there dressed as he was—it was on the 15th, the day after he left—none of the porters went with me.

WILLIAM KIRBY . I am manager to Mr. Browne—on Saturday night, 11th September, I remember a man coming with a lady—I was in the hall when they arrived—he signed this visitors' book (produced) "E. A Lane, Teddington"—I did not have any conversation with him—I saw him I think every day in company with the lady—I cannot positively swear to the prisoner being the man, he is very like him; that is as far as I will go—on Tuesday evening, about a quarter to 5, I was sent for into the office, and a cheque for 8l. 3s. was shown to me, it was handed to Mr. Browne—I saw the lady and gentleman leave—I don't think I saw him more than three or four times altogether.

Cross-examined. I did not go to the station to identify him.

WILLIAM ALLAN DREWITT . I am clerk to Shrubsole and Co., bankers, at Kingston-on-Thames—we have no customer of the name of A. E. Lane—this cheque came to us through the clearing-house.

Cross-examined. I have never to my knowledge seen the prisoner before this charge.

GEORGE WEIDNER (Police Sergeant E). I arrested the prisoner on a warrant on 11th November, in Oxford Street, the boy pointed him out—on 15th September he was charged on two other charges at Southwark Police-court, and the boy picked him out there—he was liberated on bail, and did not surrender to his bail, and on 11th November I arrested him on another charge—I told him I had a warrant for his arrest for attempting to obtain 2l. from the proprietor of the Covent Garden Hotel on 14th September—he said "I know nothing at all about the cheques"—he gave his address as Pigott's Hotel, Waterloo Road.

Cross-examined. The two charges at the Southwark Police-court were eventually dismissed—it was on those charges that he absconded from his bail—this charge had been made against him at that time, but he had not been charged—there was a porter from the hotel who failed to identify the prisoner.

Re-examined. I saw the page pick him out, and Mr. Browne also.

Witnesses for the Defence.

CHARLES KEEBLE . I am a general dealer, of 157, Brook Street, Kennington Road—the prisoner lodged at my house; I cannot tell the date, it was at the time that a Miss Olifant was living there—I remember Mr. Wiltshire calling there; the prisoner was lodging there at that time—he stayed about five or six days—I could not say how long that was before he was arrested—I don't know the day of the month or the month either it was less than a week before his arrest—he lodged with me in the name of Blackwell.

Cross-examined. Miss Olifant had been in the house about five months—Wiltshire has often called at the house—I can't tell you in what month the prisoner was arrested—I can't say whether he slept in or out of the house on any particular occasion.

Re-examined. He had to pay whether he slept in or out.

HORACE WILTSHIRE . I am a commission agent, and live in Blackfriars Road—on 14th September I met the prisoner for the first time at Mr. Keeble's, 157, Brook Street—I went there to see Miss Olifant, one of the lodgers—it was on the Tuesday, I believe, about 12 o'clock at night I should say—as far as I know the prisoner was a lodger there—he was introduced to me by Miss Olifant in a way, it was not a very formal introduction, I hardly know whether he was introduced by name—I saw him next day, Wednesday, about 4 o'clock in the afternoon; I remember it because it was the St. Leger day, and I told him the result of the race.

ANNIE OLIFANT . I live at 157, Brook Street—I know the prisoner—I first saw him on Saturday night, 11th September—he came there as a lodger, he occupied the first-floor back room, or rather an ante-room—I occupied a room on the same floor—I saw him that Saturday night—I could not say how long he stopped there; I think he was there about a fortnight altogether—he was arrested on the following Wednesday, as he came on the Saturday—I saw him three or four times during the day, and I have seen him as late as 1 or 2 o'clock in the morning—I am almost certain he slept in the house, and I saw him early next morning—I remember Mr. Wiltshire coming to see me.

Cross-examined. I was never in his bedroom—I saw him in bed on this Saturday night.


Reference Number: t18861213-122

122. ALBERT PEWTRESS (30) PLEADED GUILTY to two indictments for stealing books from Lewis King; also to obtaining goods by false pretences, and to a previous conviction.— Five Years' Penal Servitude. And

Reference Number: t18861213-123

123. JAMES MARNELL (15), FREDERICK GOSLING (18), and ALFRED BISHOP (16) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Henry Veers, and stealing a sausage and other articles, and 6l. 10s., his property and money.— Nine Months' Hard Labour each.

Reference Number: t18861213-124

124. FREDERICK NUNN (22) , Unlawfully taking Annie Rose, an unmarried girl under the age of 18 years, out of the custody of her mother, for the purpose of her being carnally known by a certain man.

MR. SALTER Prosecuted.

MARY ANN ROSE . I live at 4, Space Court Buildings, Surbiton, and have a daughter named Annie Rose, who was 17 years old on the 3rd November—I know the prisoner—he has been in the habit of coming to my house; he was courting my daughter, and had been doing so for some six or seven weeks before November 26th—on the evening of November 26th I came home between 7 and 8 o'clock, and the prisoner came in at 10 minutes to 8—he stayed a minute or two and got up, took his hat, and said that he was going to Kingston to get some programmes for a handicap which was going to come off next day, and he said to my daughter "Have you a mind to go, Nancy?"—she said "Mother, may I go?"—I said "Yes, provided you are at home by half-past 9; don't be later"—she got ready, and they went at once, and the prisoner said that he would see her back by half-past 9—she is a laundry girl—when her father died five months ago she was obliged to leave her situation and go into a laundry—I had previously said to the prisoner "Next Wednesday is her birthday," but I do not know whether I said she would be 17 or 18—he said that he thought she was over 20; she looked so old.

The RECORDER informed the Jury that the Statute stated, that if it should appear to the Court and Jury that a defendant had reasonable cause to believe that a girl was 18 years of age he would not be guilty, and the defendant had stated that he thought she was over 20, and, in addition to this, there was evidence, according to MR. SALTER'S opening speech, that the girl refused to return home, although the defendant wished her to do so; therefore, if she was abducted, it was not against her will, and therefore directed a verdict of


Reference Number: t18861213-125

125. MARY ANN WILLIAMS (23), GEORGE KITSON (48), and CORNELIUS COLLINS (26) , Stealing a watch, the property of Lewis Levy, from his person.

MR. BURNIE Prosecuted; MR. SALTER appeared for Williams and Kitson,

and MR. FRITH for Collins.

LEWIS LEVY . I manage the King's Arms beershop, Bath Street, London Road; my brother Frank is the landlord—on November 27th, about 12.30 a.m., I was in the London Road with him—I had been drinking—a crowd collected around us—I do not think I knew what I was about—I fell down two or three times—I missed my watch from my waistcoat pocket, and saw the prisoner Williams close to me, and fancied I saw my chain in her hands, but I was not sure—a constable came up, and I gave her in custody—about an hour afterwards Collins came to me and said he would go back and see if he could find the watch for me, and if it had been really stolen he would try and find it—he came back again in about half an hour with Kitson, I believe, and gave me my watch, and said he had found it in the London Road.

Cross-examined by MR. SALTER. I had been drinking a great deal—I had drunk with my brother, and was trying to get him into a cab, which was a little difficult; he was sober—I do not believe I saw Kitson there—I went to put my brother into a cab, and in the heat of temper, seeing Williams near me, I gave her in charge, and am very sorry for it.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. I believe I had my watch safe when I went to see my brother; that was 20 minutes before the prisoners were given in custody—I can't say when it was lost—I do not think my brother was under the influence of drink—I believe Collins said that he was a friend of my brother's, and if possible he would get it back for me—I do not know whether he went to the station with me in a Hansom's cab—I think he was at the station; I am not sure—he said that he would do anything as a friend of my brother's to get my watch back, and I said that I was much obliged to him, and very likely I said that I would stand a drink and make some present to him—I do not even now allege that Collins took any part in stealing it—I do not know whether it was stolen or whether I lost it—he did not say "I will find out who has taken it"—he said that he found it in the London Road.

MARTIN MORRISSEY (Policeman L 54). On Saturday morning, 27th November, about 25 minutes to 1, I was on duty in the London Road, and saw a crowd, and the prosecutor was holding Williams by her right arm—he said, "I charge this woman with stealing my watch"—his chain was hanging down—he said that his chain was in her hand when

he caught it—she made no answer—he had been drinking, but he was quite capable—I was present when he gave his account to the inspector at the station; he gave a clear account, he spoke clearly and coherently—on the way to the station Williams said, "Mr. Levy, I suppose you want me to pay for the lot?"—I took Collins on the 28th in the London Road, and told him he would be charged with being concerned with the others in stealing the watch—he said nothing—later in the morning I took Kitson at 17, Burmin Street—that is the address Williams had given at the station—I told him the charge; he said nothing—on the way to the station he promised to walk quietly between another officer and me, which he was allowed to do, and he bolted—on the way to the Court on the 29th he said, "I was not nearer than the pawnbroker's"—that is 25 or 30 yards from where I took Williams.

Cross-examined by MR. SALTER. There was not a great crowd—I did not see one of the Levys trying to get the other into a cab—Lewis Levy seemed angry, he caught hold of Williams and held her tight.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. Collins was arrested next day in the London Road; I do not know that it was close to where he lodged, as he gave no address but his last, where he had not lived for some months.

GEORGE HORNSBY (Police Inspector L). I was in charge at the station on the morning of the 27th when Williams was brought in—I said, "What is this?"—Levy said, "I charge this woman with stealing my watch"—I said, "What are the circumstances?"—he said, "I was stooping down to get my brother into a cab, when I found this woman's hand on my watch-chain"—his chain was hanging, and he took it in his hand and showed me how she held it—he said that he seized her hand and held her till a constable came—his brother was present and said, "I saw this woman take my brother's watch and hand it to a man in the crowd"—Williams said, "I have not got your watch"—shortly afterwards Collins came into the station, and I saw him speak to one of the Levys—I said to him, "Do you know anything about this?"—he said, "I was there"—I said, "Did you see the watch taken?"—he hesitated and said "No"—he then turned to the door, and came back again and said, "I suppose this can be withdrawn"—I said, "This is a matter for a Magistrate"—he said, "Oh, that will be all right," and left the station—on Sunday morning, the 28th, Kitson and Collins were brought to the station and charged with stealing this watch—they said nothing material—about 3 o'clock on the same morning I visited Kitson in his cell—he said, "Has he charged us?"—I said "Yes"—he said, "Well, I should not have thought it after what he said"—when Lewis Levy made his statement he appeared to have been drinking, but it was hardly discernible; he spoke explicitly and plainly, he knew what he was saying—I did not notice anything wrong with Frederick Levy, but I have omitted to say that he said, "They thought I was drunk"—the two Levys did not attend on the first hearing, and the summons was issued; they then attended and gave evidence.

Cross-examined by MR. SALTER. I am aware that Frank Levy afterwards gave a different account to what I have told you to-day—he said, "I told the inspector I thought Williams took the watch; I do not remember saying I saw her take it"—I still say that he said that he saw her take it—he spoke as clearly as you do now, but he was excited at the loss of his watch, and was very indignant with her.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. Collins was brought into the charge-room almost immediately—he would have to pass a constable—I first spoke to him—he did not tell me that he was a friend of the prosecutor's brother; he has said so since, and I believe it is true—the reason he gave for coming there was to see if the case could be withdrawn—I suppose he had seen what had occurred.

FREDERICK LEVY . I am proprietor of the King's Arms.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. I know Collins; he is a customer of mine—on the night on which my brother lost his watch I mentioned the matter to Collins, and asked him to see what he could do to get it back—I was present at the robbery—Collins had nothing to do with stealing the watch to my knowledge, and I have said that my brother was very wrong to have charged him; he has said so in my presence—Collins did everything he could, as far as I know, to get the watch back—my brother was very much intoxicated.

Cross-examined by MR. SALTER. We were both excited at the loss of the watch, and immediately seized the woman who was standing near, and gave her in custody—my brother repeated the charge at the station but before the Magistrate he gave a more careful account; that account was accurate—I said before the Magistrate "I told the inspector I thought Williams took the watch; I don't remember saying that I saw her take it"—that is correct.

Re-examined. I have heard the inspector's evidence—I do not say that it is false, but I do not remember—I said before the Magistrate that I saw Collins there—I have seen the other prisoners in my house.

MARTIN MORRISSEY (Re-examined by MR. FRITH). I saw Collins some hours before his arrest, and spoke to him—I do not remember seeing him in company with either of the other prisoners.

WILLIAMS— GUILTY . She was further charged with a conviction of stealing a watch in May, 1878, at Westminster, to which she

PLEADED GUILTY.**— Two Months' Hard Labour.


Before Mr. Justice Day.

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126. BENJAMIN STEVENS (33) was indicted for and charged on the Coroner's Inquisition with the manslaughter of Emma Henrietta Medland.


MARY ANN MEDLAND . I live at 51, Heygate Street, Walworth Road—I married a son of the deceased Emma Henrietta Medland—she was in her 76th year—I saw her last on Thursday afternoon, 11th November; she then appeared to be in perfect health—she lived at 73, Beresford Street—she left my house at half-past 7 alone—I afterwards saw her in, the hospital.

Cross-examined. It was a wet night, raining when she left me to walk home—she had an umbrella—she was slightly deaf.

Re-examined. I heard of the accident the same night—it would take about a quarter of an hour to walk from my house to the corner of Trafalgar Street, where the accident occurred.

FREDERICK HENRY COTTERELL . I am assistant to an oilman at the corner of Trafalgar Road, Walworth Road—on Thursday night, 11th

November, about 8.10, I was standing under an awning outside the shop—it was a wet night—I saw one of White's ginger-beer vans, drawn by a pair of horses, coming along at a very rapid pace, as far as I could judge about 10 miles an hour; the horses were galloping—Mrs. Medland was crossing from the butcher's shop to where I was—she was about 7 of 8 feet across the road—it is a granite crossing there—the pole of the van seemed to strike her forehead, and knocked her down, and the horses trampled over her, but the wheels did not go over her—she had her umbrella up—I did not hear any one calling out before she was knocked down; there was a lot of shouting out—the van went on about 18 or 19 yards before it was pulled up—I went and picked the woman up; a constable came, she was assisted to a surgery, and the prisoner was taken into custody.

Cross-examined. I did not see the van pulled in to the kerb; it was pulled in, I don't know who did it—the horses were galloping at the time the woman was knocked down—the turning into Trafalgar Street is rather a sharp corner—he turned the corner at a gallop—I should imagine the horses were a powerful pair—I did not see the prisoner get down off the van; I saw him in custody about 10 minutes afterwards—I did not see that his nose was bleeding—I had been standing outside the shop for about three hours and a quarter—I sell to customers outside—I had served the last customer about five minutes before this—the van was coming from the direction of the Elephant and Castle—I believe they were doing some repairs to the road about 35 yards from Trafalgar Street, and there was a contractor's shed there.

JOHN PIKE . I live at 6, Palmerston Street—on this night I was standing in the Walworth Road, opposite Trafalgar Street—I first saw the van just turning the corner from Walworth Road—it was going very fast, and turned quite sharp round the corner—I did not see the woman knocked down; I saw her as soon as the van passed over her—I assisted Cotterell to pick her up—I saw the van after it was pulled up, about 16, 17, or 18 yards from where the woman was knocked down—I did not see the driver get off—my attention was called to the deceased.

Cross-examined. I thought the driver pulled up as sharp as he could, considering the pace he was going—it was a slippery, wet night—I don't say the horses were galloping; they were going very fast—I heard shouts and ran up directly—I noticed the van before the shouting—I could not say who shouted; there were so many voices, I could not discern one voice from another—the noise of the van first drew my attention, and I heard the shout immediately afterwards—the horses were then on the crossing.

WILLIAM HUMPHREYS (Policeman). On 11th November I was on duty at the station—I went at once to Trafalgar Street; it was about 8.20 when I got there—the woman had then been taken to a doctor's, opposite—I saw the van with two horses, and the prisoner standing by the side of the van, about 24 yards from the crossing; it was then pulled in to the kerb—I asked the prisoner if he was the driver of the van—he said "Yes"—he was drunk—I asked him for his name and address; he was not able to give it me—he had a slight scratch on his nose—he said he got that when he fell in getting down from the dickey—he smelt of drink—I took him to the station—he was not able to walk steadily; he staggered—

I took him by the arm—I have not the slightest doubt that he was drunk.

Cross-examined. A boy took the van away; I did not get his name, he said he was with the van at the time—I asked him if he was in charge of the van, and he said "Yes;" he said he had been on the van with the driver—I have not seen him since; I don't know that his name is Jennings—he was holding the horses at the time; I left him standing there—the prisoner did not tell me he had asked the boy to take the van home—the prisoner gave his address at the station three or four hours afterwards, after I came from the hospital—the abrasion on his nose was such as would he occasioned by a fall—I did not see any bruise on his forehead then or at the police-court afterwards.

GEORGE DEAN (Police Sergeant). I was at Carter Street Station and received the prisoner there about 9 o'clock—he was drunk—he was not charged till 11.30, when the constable returned from the hospital—I then read the charge to him twice—he did not seem to understand or make any reply to it.

Cross-examined. He had an abrasion on the bridge of his nose; I saw no bruise on his forehead.

JOSEPH CHEEK (Policeman L 283). I was at the station when the prisoner was brought in—I took charge of him; he was drunk—I saw the abrasion on his nose—one of his employers came about 9.30, and he asked the prisoner about the money; he put his hands in his pockets and threw the money on the table—the gentleman said "Here, let me count it for you," and he did so.

Cross-examined. I believe the gentleman said "Let me count it for you"—he said "Let me count it," I could not say that he said "for you."

SIDNEY WACHER . I was house surgeon at Guy's when the deceased was brought there on 11th November, between 8 and 9 o'clock—she was suffering from severe injuries, the chief of which was a fracture of the bone of the nose, both bones of the forearm on the left side, and bruising and injury to the left side and ribs—she lingered till the 23rd and then died from the injuries—there was a post-mortem.

GEORGE PAWSEY (Policeman). I made this plan; it is correct; it is 16 feet 6 inches from kerb to kerb at the crossing.

The prisoner's employer deposed to his good character.

GUILTY.—Strongly recommended to mercy on account of his good character. Six Months' Hard Labour.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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127. WILLIAM MAY (23) and THOMAS ARCHIBALD ALEXANDER (28) , unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. POLAND Prosecuted; MR. CHAPMAN appeared for May; and MR. FRITH for Alexander.

The Jury, being unable to agree, were discharged without giving a verdict.

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128. WILLIAM MAY and THOMAS ARCHIBALD ALEXANDER were on a subsequent day arraigned before another Jury, when MR. POLAND offered no evidence.


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129. WILLIAM NURSE (33) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. POLAND Prosecuted.

ADA DENNELY . I am barmaid at Messrs. Simmons's refreshment-rooms, Waterloo Station—on 26th November, about 8 o'clock, the prisoner and another man came in together, and the other man called for Irish whisky and a glass of stout, price 6d., and gave me a half-crown; I tried it in the tester, bent it, and called to the waiter, and the man who had given it to me ran away—the waiter detained the prisoner, who was going away—a railway constable was called and the prisoner was given into his custody—a metropolitan constable afterwards took him away with the half-crown—I am sure the two men came in together; they talked together before they gave me the half-crown, and the prisoner had drunk half the glass of stout—the other man had not had time to put water in his whisky—this is the half-crown.

Cross-examined. You had gone about half a yard from the bar; you tried to escape when the waiter stopped you—you moved from the bar and ran half a yard.

JOHN BOX . I am a constable at Waterloo Station—on this night I was called to the refreshment-room, where the prisoner was detained by a waiter—I said to the prisoner "What have you been doing?"—he said "I met with a gentleman in the public-house opposite the station and had some conversation with him about horse racing; he told me he was going by the Portsmouth train, and asked me to come up to the station to have a drink"—a few minutes afterwards he told me that he did not meet the gentleman in a public-house but in the Waterloo Road, just by the church—a metropolitan constable took him to the station.

Cross-examined. We waited in the bar over an hour before the metro-politan constable came—I asked you no questions beyond what I have said.

Re-examined. There is a public-house outside the station where they could get drink.

JAMES KING (Policeman L 61). I was called about 9 p.m., and found the prisoner detained—the barmaid said "The man standing here and another man came into the bar and called for drinks, and the other man handed me this half-crown, which I find is bad"—the prisoner made no answer—I took the half-crown and the prisoner to the station—he is slightly lame—at the station, when the charge was read, the prisoner said" I never uttered it; I was along with the other man"—I searched him and found twelve shillings, a florin, and a sixpence, and 3 1/2 d. in bronze, good money, a 1/4 lb. packet of tea, a new necktie, and a box of toys—he gave the name and address of William Nurse, 36, Garden Row, London Road—he lived there.

Cross-examined. I am sure you said that you were with the other man—I took some pawn-tickets from your room; I gave them to your wife.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . This half-crown is bad.

JOHN BOX (Re-examined). The prisoner was kept at the station till the manager of the refreshment rooms came.

The prisoner in his defence stated that the other man was a total stranger to him, and had merely asked him to drink, and that if he had known the coin was had he would also have run away. GUILTY .

He then PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction at this Court in July 1882, of uttering, after a conviction of felony in the name of Walters.— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

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130. JAMES SMITH (23) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. POLAND Prosecuted.

CECILIA BANKS . I am a dairymaid to the London and Gloucester and Northamptonshire Company, 114, Brixton Road—on 23rd November the prisoner came in between 12 and 1 for three penny eggs, and gave me a half-crown—I put it in the till, gave him the change, and he left directly—directly after he left, Elizabeth Good called my attention to the till—I had served nobody in the meantime, and had put no other money in it—this half-crown was the only one there—I examined and bent it, and tried it in the tester—I am quite sure it was bad—I threw it into the fire—on the 26th the prisoner came in again, a little later in the day, for a quarter of a pound of butter, price 4d.; he gave me a half-crown—I recognised him as soon as he came in, tried the half-crown, and found it was bad—I said, "This is a bad half-crown"—he said, "It is not"—he said he came from 14, Holland Street, and that his mother had sent him for the butter—he offered to pay me with a florin—I would not take it—Corner, the foreman, came in, and bit the coin and broke it, and the prisoner was given into custody, with the half-crown.

By the COURT. I did not ring or weigh the coin on the 23rd—I tried it with my teeth, they sank into it—it felt greasy.

Cross-examined. You did not tell me on the 26th to try the coin and break it if it was not good.

ELIZABETH GOOD . I am an assistant at this dairy—on Tuesday, 23rd November, in the middle of the day, I saw Miss Banks serving the prisoner with eggs; he gave her half-a-crown, received his change and left—directly afterwards I went to the till and found only one half-crown there, and that was bad—I showed it to Miss Banks—we agreed that it was bad, and threw it in the fireplace—on the 26th I was called into the shop, when the prisoner and Miss Banks were there—she said, "Do you know this man?"—I said "Yes, that is the man who gave you the bad half-crown on Tuesday for the eggs"—I am quite sure he is the man—Miss Banks gave the half-crown to Corner.

EDWARD CORNER . I am foreman at this dairy—about 1.30 on the 26th I saw the prisoner give Miss Banks half-a-crown in payment for some butter—she showed it to me, and I bit and broke it—the prisoner was given into custody—I gave the half-crown to Pedder.

Cross-examined. I did not hear you tell Miss Banks to put it between the trier—you offered to pay with a good florin—you gave two or three different addresses; that was why we gave you into custody—you were in the shop about ten minutes.

ROBERT PEDDER (Policeman 409 W). I was called to the dairy, and the prisoner was charged with uttering a counterfeit half-crown—he said, "I did not know it was a bad one; I don't know where I got it from"—I searched him and found a good florin and 2 1/2 d. in bronze, and a pocket-knife—I received this broken half-crown from Corner—at the police-court, before the prisoner was taken before the Magistrate, he said, "It you go to Mr. Levy, greengrocer, Wandsworth Road, I worked for him some time, and go to Mr. Nice, who keeps a provision stall outside the Nottingham public-house, Wandsworth Road, they will come and give me a character; I work for them; they cannot give me more then two stretches for it"—that means two years—I went to Mr. Nice, and he and the greengrocer of Wandsworth Road are here.

Cross-examined. You said Levy knew you as a hawker.

HENRY EDWARD NICE . I live at 41, Stimson Street, Wandsworth, and sell provisions—I knew the prisoner to my sorrow; he was in my service for three or four months; he left me at Easter twelvemonths, and has not worked for me since.

Cross-examined. I give you a character for thieving—you stole thirteen eggs.

EMMANUEL COHEN . I live at 130, Wandsworth Road—the name over the shop is Levy—it has been my shop since it was opened—I do not know the prisoner—I never paid him any money.

Cross-examined. I have seen you hawking about the street.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . This broken half-crown is counterfeit.

The prisoner in his defence said that he would not have told the witness to try the coin, and stood in the shop and waited, if he had known it was bad.

GUILTY **†— Two Years' Hard Labour.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

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131. WILLIAM GAIUS SHRIMPTON (40) and WILLIAM ROGERS , Feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of William Blake Johnson, and stealing a watch, chain, and other articles.

MR. METCALFE Prosecuted; MR. PURCELL defended Shrimpton and MR. BURNIE defended Rogers.

WILLIAM BLAKE JOHNSON . I live at 20, Acacia Grove, West Dulwich, and am a barrister—on 17th October I took my mother and sisters to church in the evening, having left the windows and doors fastened; the front door opens with a latch key—I returned at 8.10 p.m. and found the front door forced open, and the catch broken off; some violence had been used—in the room downstairs a number of bottles of spirits had been taken out of a cupboard and placed on the sideboard—the bedrooms were in disorder, a dressing case burst open, bracelets and gold and silver rings taken away; 50l. or 60l. worth of articles altogether—a black trunk, about two and a half feet long, with a leather strap, was taken away—I afterwards found the prisoners in custody and charged them.

MITCHELL JACKSON . I live at 2, Alleyne Cottages, West Dulwich, and am a hackney carriage driver—on Sunday, 17th October, from 0 minutes to 7 to 10 minutes to 8 I saw a Hansom's cab at the Alleyne Head, which is at the head of Acacia Grove and quite near to Mr. Johnson's—Shrimpton was the driver—I had not seen him before; I was standing talking to him for some part of the time inside and out at the Alleyne Head—on 7th November I saw him at the Rosendale public-house, at the corner of the Rosendale and Park Roads—he then said he came from Paddington; that he would not light his lamps, he could not see very well; his eyes were weak, they were affected through an accident—that is within a quarter of a mile from the Alleyne's Head—I saw him there for about ten minutes—I saw a shortish, darkish man speaking to him beside the cab on the 17th October—I do not recognise him; he was the only person I saw with him—I do not recognise Rogers—I saw nobody with Shrimpton on the 7th November, but as he went away two men got into his cab as it was going away, one at the corner and the other about 200 yards away.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I was standing outside the Alleyne's Head from 6.50 to 7.40—I work in the yard there, my horse and cab is let

out from there, and I was waiting to do the horse up, which I usually do about 8 o'clock—I do not take it out on Sundays unless there is an order—the cab I saw there was a Forder—the driver was a perfect stranger to me—a friend of mine might have been there at the time, no one else was there—I recognised him on 7th November as the man I had seen on 17th October—I afterwards picked him out from a number of men—on 17th October he had a longish overcoat and high hat on—it was not a wet night—I first gave evidence on 11th November—on 17th October he said he came from Paddington, and asked me the way back—he did not speak to me on 7th November—on the 17th October it was getting dark.

Cross-examined by MR. BURNIE. The man with Shrimpton was short and dark.

ADA GOODCHILD . I am barmaid at the Alleyne's Head—on 17th October, about 5.15, three men were there; Shrimpton was one I am confident, and my belief is Rogers was another—they had three halves of bitter—two of them came in first—I saw a cab outside at the time to which Shrimpton was attending—the other men asked for beer to take out to him, and I said that was not allowed; then he came in—they were in the house about two minutes, I think—next day I heard of the robbery, and two or three weeks after I went to the police-station and picked out Shrimpton from a row of seven or nine men—Rogers was not there then—I picked out Rogers after that from a number of men.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. Shrimpton was in the house about one and a half minutes; he did not speak to me—that was a slack time; no one else was in at the time—Jackson was outside; I did not see him inside, it was closing time—I saw Jackson in the evening—I did not notice Shrimpton inside then—on 17th October they were all strangers to me—I gave my evidence on 11th November—Shrimpton was the end man of the row at the station when I identified him—some of the others had black beards—I had not been shown a bill describing the men, nor had it been read to me; I did not know there was one about—Brown fetched me to the station; neither he nor Moss told me anything about a man in a high hat—I recognised Shrimpton at once; I did not look at the others.

HENRY ROBERTS . I am a carman, of 228, Romany Road, Lower Norwood—on Sunday, 7th November, I was at the Rosendale Hotel and saw a Hansom's; Shrimpton was the driver and two men were with him—they remained at the Rosendale about two hours—no other cab was there—the lamps were not lighted—as the cab went away the two men jumped on at different places as the cab was going away.

WILLIAM MOSS (Police Sergeant P). I went with Brown to 44, Manchester Street, King's Cross, Mr. Hocking's cab yard—we found Shrimpton outside; he is employed there—I asked him if he had been in the neighbourhood of Dulwich on 17th October—he said, "No, I was down about two months before that with a lady and gentlemen," that he had driven down there—Brown said, "You are the man I spoke to outside the Alleyne's Head on 17th October"—he said, "You have made a mistake"—Brown said he was positive he was the man, and he denied being there on the 17th—he said he had driven a man and woman, the same people, down on 7th November; he said they came from a hotel in Paddington—he gave his address, 16, Rahere Street, Goswell Road—I took him to Knight's Hill Police-station—I went to the prisoner's

address, and found there, in a box, these forks, all rolled up in newspaper together—he had said nothing to me about these things—I had asked him if he had anything at his house, and told him t hat I should go there—he said he had a clock there which was too heavy to stand on the mantelpiece—there was no clock to be found there.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I had a bill issued from, the description given by the barmaid—I did not tell her the man had a long black coat on—she described the man to me.

The COURT considered there was no evidence to go to the Jury.


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132. WILLIAMS GAIUS SHRIMPTON and WILLIAM ROGERS were again indicted for breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Maria Sandland, with intent to steal her goods and property.

MARY DANBY . I live at Moortown House, Rosendale Road, West Dulwich, next door to Belrath, occupied by Miss Sandland—on Sunday, 7th November, about 5 minutes to 9, my brother spoke to me, and I went down and saw that the catch of the door had been forced open—Miss Sandland was ill in bed at the time—I went into her house.

MARIA SANDLAND . I live at I live at Belrath House, West Dulwich—on 7th November I was ill in bed—Miss Danby came in, and in consequence of what she said I found the house had been broken into—I missed nothing.

HENRY ROBERTS . I live at Romany Road, West Norwood, and am a carman—on Sunday, 7th November, between 7 and 8 o'clock, I saw Shrimpton standing outside the Rosendale with his cab and two other men—Shrimpton stopped with his cab, went in and had a drink, and then loitered about outside with his cab for about two hours—the other two men went in the direction of the Eastmean Road—I thought a friend of mine whistled, and I turned and started walking, and the two men seemed to come from the direction of Belrath House, from the garden of about the fourth or fifth house from the Rosendale—that was about 10 minutes to 7—they came towards the Rosendale, just stepped inside the private door and beckoned to Shrimpton, who seemed to fetch a kind of brown bag from inside his cab—the two men taking the bag with them, as far as I could see, seemed to walk down the road and to go into the garden again of the fourth or fifth house from the Rosendale, Shrimpton remaining with the cab—I went in the same direction—I heard the gate go but did not see them turn into the garden—Shrimpton remained there till about 10 minutes to 8, about an hour after the men had disappeared—he then got up on the box and drove away—I saw one man jump on between the pillar-box and the fire brigade, and another by Martell Road—I can't say if they were the same men.


Reference Number: t18861213-133

133. WILLIAM GAIUS SHRIMPTON was again indicted for breaking and entering the dwelling-house of William Lionel Wiley and stealing 24 spoons and other property. No evidence was offered.


Reference Number: t18861213-134

134. WILLIAM SHARP (32) PLEADED GUILTY to unlawfully attempting to murder himself.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour. (There was another indictment against the prisoner for maliciously wounding Olivia Sharp.)


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