Old Bailey Proceedings, 20th November 1882.
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KNIGHT, MAYOR.

FIRST SESSION, HELD NOVEMBER 20TH, 1882.

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KNIGHT, MAYOR. FIRST SESSION.

A star (*) denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two stars (**) that they have been more than once in custody—a dagger (f) that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.

LONDON AND MIDDLESEX CASES.

OLD COURT.—Monday, November 20th, 1882, and

NEW COURT, Tuesday, November 21st, 1882.

Before Mr. Recorder.

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1. WILLIAM LACEY HARMAN MILTON (33), ARTHUR GASKIN (40), THOMAS DAVIS (43). and JOHN HENRY LOADER (36) , Unlawfully conspiring to defraud Henry Cundall and others. MESSRS. BIRON, MONTAGU WILLIAMS, and HORACE AVORY Prosecuted;

MESSRS. BESLEY and BEARD appeared for Milton,

MR. PURCELL for

Davis, MESSRS . FULTON and MARRIOTT for Gaskin, and MR . FILLAN for

Loader.

The COURT considered that there was no evidence to go to the Jury as to LOADER.— NOT GUILTY . As to the others, the Jury, being unable to agree, were discharged without returning any verdict.

NEW COURT.—Monday, November 20th, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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2. JOHN BOND (31) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin. MESSRS. LLOYD and BAGGALLAY Prosecuted.

ANNIE AUSTEN . I manage a cheesemonger's shop at 16, Little Russell Street—between 9 and 9.30 p.m. on 9th October a boy came in and bought some cheese and bread, and gave me in payment a florin; I gave him 1s. 53/4d. in change—just as he went out I noticed that the coin was bad—I went to the door and saw him on the opposite side of the way giving change to the prisoner—I went into the middle of the road and called to him; he came back and the prisoner ran away—I did not see the boy again—Mr. Beck ran after the prisoner and brought him back to the shop in a few minutes—he said "You accuse me of giving you bad money?"—I said "No, not you; I accuse you of sending a boy in"—he put his hand in his pocket and gave me a shilling and two sixpences good

money, and said "There is your money; give me mine back"—I gave it to the police—this is it.

GEORGE BECK . I am an engineer, of 24, Little Russell Street—I know the shop, No. 16—the roadway there is about 20 feet wide and the path 5 feet—there are no houses opposite—on the night of 9th October I heard a cry. of "Stop thief," and saw the prisoner running from the direction of the shop—I ran after him about 250 yards; in the middle of Gilbert Street he turned round and faced me—two others were with him, and we had a tussle—I felt a blow on my back, and the prisoner hit me a severe blow on my jaw, but I kept hold of him—the others ran away—I took him back to 16, Little Russell Street—I saw him tender some good money to the last witness, saying "Here is your money; give me mine back, and I will give you my card"—he wanted to go away—he did not give his card.

THOMAS BISHOP (Policeman E 195). The prisoner was given into my charge with this florin—I told him the charge—he made no reply—10 1/2 d. good money was found on him.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . I am Inspector of Coin to Her Majesty's Mint—this is a bad florin.

The prisoner in his defence stated that the was on his way home, when he was stopped and roughly handled, and accused of having passed a bad florin; that under protest he gave the woman what she demanded, as she threatened to give him into custody; that he did not have possession of the articles bought; that the lad had not been called as a witness, and that he had not passed the coin or caused it to be passed.

ANNIE AUSTEN (Re-examined). I did not threaten to give the prisoner into custody if he did not give me 2s.—he gave it to me without my asking for it.

GUILTY . He then PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction of having counterfeit coin in his possession, in June, 1875, in the name of John Woods .— Six Years' Penal Servitude,

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3. SAMUEL JOHN BROWN (23) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR . LLOYD Prosecuted.

ANNA MARIA PRITCHARD . My husband is a dairyman, of 14, Norfolk Terrace, Bayswater—on 23rd October, between 10 and 11 a. m., I served Thompson (See next case) with two penny eggs—he gave me a florin; I gave him the change, and as soon as he left I showed it to my husband, who went after him.

WILLIAM THORNHILOE PRITCHARD . My wife gave me a bad florin, and I followed Thompson out of the shop, met a constable, and we went to the Portobello; 300 yards off, and saw the prisoner and Thompson together—they saw me and walked down Buckingham Terrace—we followed them 100 yards, went up to them, and the prisoner said to me "Did you take the bad money?"—I said "Yes, a 2s. piece"—Brown said "I had nothing to do with it"—Thompson said "This is not the 2s. piece I gave you to pay for the egg"—we pushed them into the house and they were searched—I picked up these two florins about four feet from them.

THOMAS BEAUMONT (Policeman X 236). On 23rd October, about 11.30, I was in Norfolk Terrace, Bayswater, and saw the prisoner and Thompson

standing at the corner of Archer Villas talking—I watched them—Thompson left Brown and went to Mr. Pritchard's who came out and spoke to me and showed me a bad coin—he and I followed, but I sent him one way and I went another—we came up to them at the same time—I laid my hand on Thompson, and said "Is this the man that was in your shop and passed a bad 2s. piece?"—he said "Yes"—we pushed them into the public-house, searched them, and found on Brown three good shillings and nine pence, and on Thompson a sixpence—Mr. Pritchard handed me these two bad coins (produced)—I did not see them picked up, as there was such a crowd, but the prisoner passed over that spot—I had spoken to a civilian named Cole, who went after Thompson—on taking Thompson to the station, he threw an egg on the pavement—Buckley, a policeman, assisted me.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These coins are all bad, and the two picked up are from the same mould.

Prisoner's Defence. Thompson is a perfect stranger to me. I wish to call him.

ALEXANDER THOMPSON . I am charged with the prisoner on another indictment, but I never saw him till 23rd October, when we were taken in charge together.

GUILTY .

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4. SAMUEL JOHN BROWN was again indicted, with ALEXANDER THOMPSON (34) , for unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin. MESSRS. LLOYD and BAGGALLAY Prosecuted.

CHARLOTTE TERRY . My husband is a dairyman, of 6A, Chepstow Place, Bayswater—on 16th October, between 3 and 4 p. m., Thompson came in and bought two eggs—he gave me a 'half-crown; I gave him 2s. 3 1/2 d. change, and after he left I found the coin was bad—I went to the door and saw him walking away very fast—I spoke to a policeman, and about ten days afterwards I picked Thompson out from about sixteen others at the station.

AMELIA DERHARD . I am assistant to Robert Bailey, a confectioner, of Archer Street, Notting Hill—on 17th October the prisoner tendered me a half-crown for a penny tart—I put it in the till and gave him 2s. 5d. change—it got mixed with other half-crowns, but this bad half-crown (produced) was found in the till next day—on 20th October, between 4 and 5 o'clock, Thompson came again for two penny buns—I recognised him directly—he gave me a bad florin—I said "You have been in before on Tuesday, with a bad half-crown"—he said "I have never been this way before. "

ROBERT BAILEY . I am a confectioner—on 20th October Derhard brought me a bad florin—I went into the shop, and saw Thompson there—I said "Do you know this is a bad two-shilling piece?" and threw it on the counter; he said "I did not know it was bad," and picked it up—I said "You were up here the beginning of the week, and passed a bad half-crown;" he said, "No, I have not been in the neighbourhood before," and paid with coppers—I saw him join two other men outside, and followed them some distance—on the next Monday I saw a constable holding Thompson; I said "Is he charged with passing bad money? because he was in my shop a day or two ago trying to pass a bad twoshilling piece." The evidence of ANNA MARIA PBITCHARD, WILLIAM THORNHILOE PRTCHARD,

and THOMAS BEAUMONT was read over to them from the shorthand writer's. notes of the last trial, to which they assented.

JOHN COLE . I am a grocer's assistant—I was near Norfolk Terrace, and the constable asked me to watch the prisoners.

Cross-examined by Brown. As I put my hand on your shoulder the constable came up—I did not say that my father wanted to see you.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This half-crown tendered to Terry is bad, and this one passed on the 17th is also bad, and from the same mould as the other—this florin tendered by Thompson on the 23rd is bad—the two florins found in the public-house are bad and from the same mould.

Brown's Defence. I had nothing to do with it, and was not in this man's company.

Thompson's Defence. I did not tender a two-shilling piece; I gave her 2d. The sixpence found on me could not be the change of a florin.

ANNA MARIA PRITCHARD (Re-examined). I gave Thompson 1s. 10d. change, a shilling and the rest in coppers.

GUILTY .

They both PLEADED GUILTY to previous convictions, Brown of unlawfully having counterfeit coin in his possession in October, 1882, and Thompson of a felony in August, 1876. BROWN— Two Years' Hard Labour. THOMPSON**— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

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5. GEORGE TAYLOR (28) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin. MESSRS. LLOYD and BAGGALLAY Prosecuted.

JOHN SIMPSON . I manage the Westbourne Tavern, Westbourne Park Villas—about 10.30 p.m. on 5th November I served the prisoner with two penny worth of Irish whisky—he tendered this bad florin—I marked it at the police-station—I asked him how he came by it; he said "I am very sorry, I don't know where it comes from, pray let me go; I have some more money to pay for it"—I said "No, I shall detain you"—he paid me with good money, but I gave him in charge.

ROBERT PERRET (Policeman X 148). About 10.40 on 6th November I was called, and saw Mr. Simpson with this bad florin in his hand—I said to the prisoner "How do you account for this being in your possession?"—he said "I had it given to me in change"—I said "Do you know where from?"—he said "No"—I found on him five shillings, five six-pences, and 2s. 10 1/4 d. in bronze—he said he had been a sailor, and had only been in London a few days—at the station he gave his name George Taylor, but after the inspector had entered it he said "My name is George Wilson. "

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You were not drunk—you did not stagger about.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This is a bad florin.

The prisoner in his defence stated that he had taken the florin in change, and knew nothing about whether it was right or wrong, and that he was in drink at the time.

NOT GUILTY .

OLD COURT.—Tuesday, November 21st, 1882.

Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.

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6. WILLIAM BROOKSHAW (34) , Feloniously sending to Colonel Teesdale a letter threatening to murder H. R. H. the Prince of Wales. MESSRS. POLAND and MONTAGU WILLIAMS Prosecuted.

CHRISTOPHER CHARLES TEESDALE . I am a colonel in the army and equerry to H. R. H the Prince of Wales—on 9th October I was at Marlborough House, and received this letter by post about 12.30 in the day—I opened it, read it, sent for Inspector Walker, and gave it to him with the envelope—the prisoner is a perfect stranger to me. (Letter read: "9th October, 1882. Colonel Teesdale. Sir,—To be brief, I am a young man brought up in sight of Buckingham Palace, willing and anxious to work, and cannot get it to do. The best thing I can do under these adverse circumstances is to go abroad to one of the colonies. Tell your Royal master the Prince of Wales that I require 10l. to start me there; if I succeed it will be repaid. I want it this week. Send it to me at William Brookshaw, Lemen's Hotel, 21 and 22, Great Chapel Street, Westminster. P.S.—If you do not send it this week I will camp on the Prince's trail, and by all the gods serve him worse than Lord F. Cavendish was served.—Yours in great earnestness, W. C. B. Sorry to speak so harsh, but severe diseases require severe remedies. Don't forget, this week.")

FREDERICK SAMUEL WILSON . I am Inspector of the S. W. District Post-office, Buckingham Gate—the postmark on this letter shows that it was posted at the West Brompton District after 9.15 and before 9.45 on 9th October—it would then go on for delivery to the S. W. district, Buckingham Gate, about 12. 10, and would be delivered at Marlborough House about 12.30.

WILLIAM ELLIOTT . I am a letter carrier at the S. W. District Office, Buckingham Gate—this letter came into my delivery at 12.10 a. m., and I delivered it at Marlborough House about 12.30 the same day—I was the only letter carrier who delivered letters at Marlborough House that day.

DENNIS STAR . I am labour master at St. George's Workhouse, Fulham Road—the prisoner was an inmate, and I have on some occasions supplied him with envelopes and paper—this is one of our envelopes with the workhouse stamp on it—when an inmate wants to write, he applies to me—the workhouse paper is similar to this letter—on Sunday, 8th October, I supplied the prisoner with a half-sheet of paper and an envelope similar to these.

EDWARD COTT . I am an inmate of St. George's Union, Fulham Road—on Sunday morning, 8th October, I was in the able-bodied ward reading the paper—I saw Mr. Starr come to the window and hand some paper and an envelope to one of the inmates, who handed them to the prisoner, and I saw him at the table writing about an hour afterwards—the paper was about the size of this letter—pen and ink are in the room for the inmates.

THOMAS BROWN . I am a porter at St George's Workhouse—the prisoner was an inmate there—he took his discharege on Monday, 9th October, about 9.20 a.m.—he returned on the 11th about 7 p.m.—this is his receipt for his clothes—I saw him sign it on 29th August 1882 the day it bears date.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I witness all signatures, and an officer does so when I am not there—I never delegated my power to Bolton, an inmate, when I was too lazy to do it myself.

By the COURT. This list refers to the clothes he brings with him into the house—while he was the house he wore the Union clothes—he signs the list of clothes when he comes in, and has a duplicate of it, which I sign, and it is pinned to his porter—I am porter—I saw him

write this—this list of August 29th is the last—it is the only one I can find.

Cross-examined. If I remember right, you came in late at night, and I saw you sign this ticket before you took it down to the block—it has been used since, because your clothes corresponded with it, and I have not made one out since, but I made several before this, as the old book at the office will show.

WILLIAM BOLTER . I am an inmate of St George's Workhouse—on 29th August I was acting as storekeeper under Brown, and was in charge of the able-bodied clothing—the prisoner came in on that day, and I was present when he signed this list (produced).

Cross-examined. I stood by you in the bathroom and saw you sign it on the mantelpiece, and took it from you and put it on the bundle, and it has been in my custody ever since—Mr. Brown was passing in and out—I never wrote your signature—it would take time to make out a fresh list in every case, and if there is a previous list as legible as this is and in perfect preservation, it has been sufficient to see that it corresponds with the clothes which the man brings in, and if so use it, and not make a fresh one or take any signature, but if anything had to be added or omitted, a fresh list would be made out—I have come across other signatures of yours, but this is the last—I never wrote an inmate's name on a clothes list, except where a man cannot write and makes his mark. By the COURT. When a man goes out in the morning and comes back at night with the same clothes, I should not consider it necessary to make a fresh list, but I should do so if he went out with two coats and came back with one—I have no doubt at all that I saw him write this; I speak from a distinct recollection of the circumstance.

By the JURY. The prisoner had two or three discharges after this date, and the list was used without a fresh signature being taken—Mr. Brown was on the opposite side of the room, but he could see the prisoner sign, because the room is so small.

WILLIAM MASTERS . I am colour-sergeant in the 3rd Battalion of the Royal Fusiliers—the prisoner enlisted in that regiment on 1st November, 1881—this (produced) is his original attestation paper—he signed this "Robert Wilson" in my presence, and I attested it—he also signed this "Rob. Wilson." on the next page.

CHARLES SEYMOUR . I am colour-sergeant of the 3rd Battalion Royal Fusiliers—the prisoner enlisted in the militia in the name of Robert Wilson on 1st November, 1881, and was discharged on 4th November, 1882, after completing his training—he rejoined on 24th July, 1882, and was discharged from Alder shot on 18th August, and signed this ledger "Rob. Wilson" in my presence when he was discharged—I knew him well in the regiment.

Cross-examined. You were discharged for good on 18th August from the hospital. GEORGE ALLEN MARSTON. I am colour-sergeant of the Royal Fusiliers—I know the prisoner well as Robert Wilson—this is his signature in full, "Robert Wilson," to this attestation book of the recruits of the 3rd battalion—he signed it on 31st December, 1881—here is on the same page another signature, "Robert Wilson," in full, on 4th January, 1882; the prisoner signed that in my presence.

CHARLES HAGAN . I am Chief Inspector of the Metropolitan Police—

on the evening of 13th October I went to St. George's Workhouse with this warrant—I saw the prisoner in the waiting-room, and said "What is your name?"—he said "William Brookshaw"—I said "Where were you born?"—he said "In Buckingham Place"—I said "Where is that?" he said "In Buckingham Palace Road, close to Buckingham Palace"—I said "Do your parents live there now?"—he said "No, they are in Taylor's Almshouses, Haverstock Hill, and I have been over a great part of the world, and seven or eight years in the United States Army"—I said "When you were admitted to this house on 29th August last, did you sign this?" his clothing receipt, which I had in my hand—he took it, looked at it for a few minutes, and said "I can't tell whether that is my signature or not, I have come into this house so many times, and the receipt has frequently been signed for me by another person"—I pointed to Inspector Smith, who was with me, and said "We are police officers, and I have a warrant for your arrest"—he said, "Me! what for?"—I said "I will read the warrant to you, and then you will understand the charge"—I read it and he said "That is an infamous lie; I never wrote such a letter, somebody has been making use of my name"—I said "I take you into custody now on this warrant, and you must accompany me to the station"—as I took him there in a cab he told me that while in the American Army he had been in the far west—I took him to King Street and charged him—I know Leman's Hotel, Broadway, Westminster; it is a lodging-house, but not a registered one. JOHN SMITH (Police Sergeant). I was present when the charge was read over to the prisoner—he said "It is an infamous lie." JOHN STEELE. I am superintendent of messengers at the Chief Secretary's Office, Dublin Castle—I knew the late Lord Frederick Cavendish, and was present when he was sworn-in as Chief Secretary for Ireland on 6th May—he left the Castle at 6. 25, giving me directions to send some letters and papers, as he intended to stop at the Vicegeral Lodge that night—between 9 and 10 o'clock the same night I saw his dead body in St. Stephen's Hospital, and also Mr. Burke's body, lying side by side on different beds—they had both been stabbed with knives back and front—I gave evidence at the inquest—the deaths appeared in the papers.

RICHARD WAYWOOD SWATRIDGE . I have been in the Bank of England 23 years, and have been a cashier in the private drawing office over nine years—I have been accustomed to examine various signatures, and to judge of their genuineness—I have examined this letter and envelope of 9th October, and have no doubt they are both in the same writing—I have examined the signature "William Brookshaw" to the receipt, and also the two signatures "Rob. Wilson" and "Robert Wilson" in the two ledgers—the signature in the ledger and on the attestation paper are undoubtedly by the same person; they are precisely similar, and they are the same as the signature "Brookshaw to the receipt—I have also carefully compared this genuine writing with the letter and envelope, and can point out numbers of points in which the similarity is very great indeed—the capital R's in "Royal" and "Remedies" are precisely similar to the capital R in "Robert Wilson" in the ledger, but the R comes out still more prominently in the attestation paper—the capital W in "Wales," "William," and "Westminster," and the initial Win "W. C. B.," correspond with the W in the various signatures—it comes out more prominently

in "Wilson," but the style in the signature to the receipt is not quite so firm with regard to "Wilson"—on the attestation paper it is precisely the same, and also in the ledger signed "Rob. Wilson"—the capital B in "Buckingham," and the initial B in "W. C. B.," and the B in "C. B." on the envelope after Colonel Teesdale's name correspond with the B in "Brookshaw" to the receipt—besides that, the general character of the writing on the envelope, letter, and receipts correspond, as do also the "sh" in "Brookshaw," in "Cavendish," and in "harsh"—the similarity is very striking indeed—the letters are identical and peculiar, and that similarity is traceable all through—if necessary I can point out a number of other similarities, such as "too" with the two o's joining.

Cross-examined. I have seen forgeries remarkably well done.

Re-examined. I have seen forged signatures, they can be traced, but the "sh" in this case is very prominent.

By the JUEY. This peculiar "s" is like the "s" in the letters the colour-sergeant has produced, and in both signatures to the attestation papers.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I wish to say I am not guilty. Not under any circumstances could I think of such a thing, such a vile thing. The English language is hardly strong enough for me to express my contempt for such a vile thing as that."

Prisoner's Defence. I still contend what I said before, that I am entirely innocent of being the author of that letter. It would be the last thing in my thoughts to do such a thing as that."

GUILTY .— Ten Years' Penal Servitude.

THIRD COURT.—Tuesday, November 21st, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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7. HENRY TOMKINS (60) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin. MESSRS. LLOYD and BAGGALLAY Prosecuted.

ANNIE CROUCH . I am barmaid at the Pavilion, Vauxhall Bridge Road—on 20th October, about 7 o'clock, I served the prisoner with a glass of ale, price 1 1/2 d.—he tendered this florin; I gave him the change, and I put it in the till; there were no other florins there—I examined it two or three hours afterwards, and eventually gave it to the police—he came again about the same time next day for a glass of ale, and gave me this half-crown (produced); I tested it, found it was bad, and sent it by the servant to my uncle—I did not leave the bar, I only went to the door—the prisoner loft the bar without drinking his ale—he might have seen me testing the coin; the tester is under the bar—I said nothing to him—my aunt Mrs. Poole showed me the florin on the Friday morning.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. On the Friday I gave you your change—I did not discover the florin was bad till you had gone—I did not give you any change on Saturday—I did not say anything to you about it, you did not give me time—I did not give another man in charge for that piece of money on the Saturday; the police took another man up—we did not follow him into the Lord High Admiral and give him in charge—the police took him up on suspicion of being an accomplice of yours—

I did not swear at the police-station that that was the man who gave me florin.

Re-examined. The prisoner did not speak to this other man; he came in rather before him on the Friday—I did not test the first coin because I did not think it was bad.

THOMAS POOLE . I am landlord of the Pavilion—on Saturday, 21st October, the last witness showed me this counterfeit half-crown, and my wife gave me this bad florin; I gave them to the police.

ELIZABETH ROSE POOLE . I found a bad florin in the till between 9 and 10 a.m.; there were no others there—I showed it to Annie Crouch.

CHARLES LUCAS (Policeman B 235). I received these coins from Mr. Poole, and also this other bad half-crown.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I took another man in custody on suspicion on the 21st—the barmaid said he was the man who was with you in the bar.

GEORGE HENDERSON . I manage the Lord High Admiral, Vauxhall Bridge Road—on 25th October the prisoner came in about 7.20 p. m.—Pratt my barman showed me a florin and asked me whether I did not think it was a light piece of money—I asked who gave it to him, but I don't think he heard me—the prisoner was there; I said to him, "This won't do, you know; we have had a good many of these lately; where did you get it?"—I was putting it in my mouth; he said, "Don't break it, I will give you another one that is a good one"—he said he took it in change for a sovereign on a tram car—there were two policemen in the next compartment; I said, "Step through here, and I will speak to you," and I took him into the compartment where the policemen were—he turned out his pockets and showed us 18s. 6d. in good silver—I said, "If you had all this money about you what did you want to change the sovereign on a tram car for?"—he made no answer—the policeman kept the coin, and the prisoner had his good money back—my barman brought me this florin (produced) as having been found in the prisoner's hand—the policeman and I took him to the station—I brought Miss Crouch to see him.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. When I told you it was a light one you did not attempt to get out of the place or resist—you said you had changed it in a tram car, and that you were not aware it was bad, and you pulled out your pockets and asked me if there was a bad one there. "WILLIAM PRATT. I am barman at the Lord High Admiral—on 25th October the prisoner came and called for a glass of six ale—he tendered a florin—it felt light—I showed it to Mr. Henderson—I cannot swear to the coin.

GEORGE BRYANT (Policeman B 295). On the evening of the 25th October I was in the Lord High Admiral—the prisoner was in another compartment—Mr. Henderson charged him with attempting to utter this coin, and said he had had different coins lately, and he was determined to charge him—the prisoner said, he got it in change for a sovereign on a tram car—I said, "What made you change it on a tram car if you had so much money about you?"—he had on him four florins, eight shillings, five sixpences, and eighteen pence—he gave his address as 84, John Street, Camberwell—there is no such number in that street. PHILIP FIELDS (Police Inspector B), I took the charge at the station.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You were searched thoroughly—no bad coins were found on you.

THOMAS POOLS (Re-examined). I found this second half-crown in the till on Friday evening.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These two florins are bad, from the same mould—the half-crowns are bad, and from different moulds.

The prisoner in his defence stated that he had changed a sovereign in a tram car, and must have so got the florin he offered at the Lord High Admiral; and that if he had been in on the Friday and again on the Saturday she would have known him at once; and that he was never in the Pavilion.

ANNIE CROUCH (Re-examined). When the prisoner came in on the 21st I recognised him as the man who had been in on the previous day.

GUILTY . He then PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction of felony in Jul, 1875, in the name of Henry Brown ,— Two Years' Hard Labour.

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8. JOSEPH HILL (19) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. LLOYD and BAGGALLAY Prosecuted. MINNIE MAUD BELL. My father, Mr. Thomas Bell, keeps the Grapes public-house, in the neighbourhood of Hanover Square—I was serving in the bar on the 26th October, about 1 o'clock in the day, when the prisoner came in for a half of six ale, which came to 1 1/2 d.—he gave me this half-crown in payment—I had not sufficient change, and a Mr. Nor-vill, who was there, changed it, and took the half-crown—the prisone came again the same evening about five o'clock for a half of four ale—I recognised him at once—he gave me this half-crown (produced) in payment—I tried it in the tester—it broke, and I showed it to my father—the prisoner was then given into custody—I don't remember having seen him before—the prisoner said he had been in the house two or three times before—the next morning Mr. Norwell brought the half-crown back.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not tell my father I thought the first coin was a light one—I said I did not like the colour of the second one, and so I tried it.

By the COURT. On the first occasion I asked him if he had any smaller change, and he said only 1d.; he had 1 1/2 d., but he did not know where the other halfpenny was.

THOMAS BELL . I keep the Grapes Tavern—on 26th October, at 5 o'clock in the evening, my daughter showed me a bad half-crown in the prisoner's presence—I said, "How many more of these have you got?"—he did not answer, but put down a penny on the counter—I said, "Why did not you pay for the half-pint of beer with the penny before?"—he said, "I wanted change to pay for some tea in a coffee shop"—I said, "You could have got change there, I believe you are a smasher, and I shall detain you till the policeman comes"—with that he moved towards the door, and I moved round and collared him, and gave him into custody—while some one had gone for a constable I said to him, "Have you been in this house before?" and it appears my daughter said he was at dinner time, but I was deaf and did not hear her, and he answered, "Oh yes, I am often in here; I was in yesterday"—I said, "We took a bad sixpence yesterday; what coin did you pass?"—he said, "Oh, I think it was a shilling that I passed yesterday"—the policeman came, and took him to the station—we had taken a sixpence on the previous day; I don't know who took it—Mr. Norvill came in the following day—he has dinner at my house

every day—he showed me this bad half-crown (produced)—I gave it to the constable.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You said you had earned the halfcrown at a coffee shop, not at a beershop.

JAMES NORVILL . I live at 6, Elm Road, Camden Road, and am assistant to a tailor—on 26th October, I was at the Grapes at 1 o'clock—I take my meals there—I saw the prisoner offer half-a-crown to Miss Bell—she asked him if he had any smaller change—he said, "No"—I said "I can oblige him with two shillings and sixpence" and I gave the 2s. 6d., and picked up the half-crown and put it in my pocket—I had no other halfcrown there—I afterwards discovered it to be bad, and next day I showed it to Miss Bell—this is it.

HERBERT BULTIMAN (Policeman C 109). I was called to the Grapes, and found the prisoner and Mr. Bell there—I received one half-crown from Mr. Bell on the 26th, and one from Miss Bell on the 27th—I said to the prisoner, "Where did you get the half-crown from?"—he said, "From a man outside a beerhouse in the Waterloo Road"—I searched him, but did not find any other coin on him.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These two half-crowns are bad, and from the same mould.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I didn't know the money was bad. I know where I got the money from. "

The prisoner in his defence stated that he received the half-crown in payment of a bet, and did not know it was bad; and he denied that he was in the house on the first occasion.

GUILTY .— Nine Months' Hard Labour,

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9. EDWARD AVERY (21) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin. MESSRS. LLOYD and BAGGALLAY Prosecuted.

THOMAS HARVEY . I live at 2, Spinks Street, Clerkenwell, with my parents, and am 13 years old—my father is a joiner—about half-past 6 o'clock on the evening of 16th October the prisoner called me in Willington Street, and I went to him—I had not seen him before—he called me "Bill"—he handed me this half-crown (produced) and asked me whether I would get a pot of beer for him—he pointed to the Prince of Orange across the road—I went there; they served me, and gave me two shillings and three pence—I went back to the prisoner, who was where I had left him, and he gave me a penny—he said "Will you get me five shillings' worth of stamps? and I will give you another penny"—he gave me these two half-crowns (produced)—I know them because they are marked—he told me to go next door to the pawnbroker's in Exmouth Street, the next street—I went to the post-office and gave the two half-crowns and got the stamps, and was coming away, and had just got outside the door, when the boy called me back—a policeman was sent for, and I went with him in search of the prisoner; he had gone away from where he had said he would be—it was about three-quarters of an hour before we found him, and at half-past seven we found him in Exmouth Street, and he was taken in custody.

FRANK PEARCEY . I am! landlord of the Prince of Orange, Yardley Street, Exmouth Street, Clerkenwell; it is exactly opposite St. John's Street—about half-past 6 o'clock on the evening of 16th October Harvey came in with a beer can for some beer—I served him—he tendered this half-crown—I marked it—I gave him in change two shillings and three

penny pieces—later in the evening he came back again, and I examined my till—there were two half-crowns there then, and a two-shilling piece and a shilling—I put it in the till when he gave it to me—I afterwards handed it to Constable 198 G.

EDWARD GILES . I live at 64, Exmouth Street, Clerkenwell, a post-office—about half-past 6 o'clock on the evening of 16th October Hardy came in—I gave him five shillings' worth of stamps, and he gave me two half-crowns in payment—as soon as he had gone I examined them and found they were bad and went after the boy—I gave the half-crowns to George Naylor, another assistant in the post-office.

GEORGE NAYLOR . I am an assistant at this post-office—Giles handed me these two counterfeit half-crowns, and I handed them to Constable 198 G—10 minutes later the constable brought the prisoner into the post-office.

CHARLES CHAMPION (Policeman G 198). About 6.30 on the evening of 16th October Naylor spoke to me, and gave me these two counterfeit half-crowns, and in consequence of what was said to me I went with the boy Harvey in search of the prisoner—I was looking for him for about half an hour, and then found him in the same street, Exmouth Street, just opposite the post-office, in company with another man—he was not in that street when I first went there—I said "Come with me;" he said "What for?"—I. told him I was going to take him into custody for sending the boy for the stamps with two bad half-crowns—he said "You have got the wrong man, it is not me"—I took him over to the post-office—I searched him thoroughly at the station, and found 12s. in good silver, 10 shillings and a florin, and 1s. 6 1/2 d. in good bronze—Pearcey gave me this other bad half-crown.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. When I saw you in Exmouth Street you were walking towards me and I was walking towards you—the boy was in advance of me, and when he saw you he ran back and said "Here is the man"—you walked up to me, and I caught hold of your arm—I said to the boy "Are you sure that is the man?"—the boy said "Yes, I am sure, positive; I can tell him by the red handkerchief round his neck." WILLIAM WEBSTER. These two half-crowns from the post-office are bad; this one from the public-house is bad, and is from the same mould as those from the post-office.

The prisoner in his defence stated that on this night he left home at a quarter to 7 and went to the Angel, Islington, and that he was coming home through Exmouth Street, when the policeman stopped him, and that the boy said he identified him by his red handkerchief.

GUILTY .— Fifteen Months' Hard Labour.

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10. JOHN WILLIAMS (28) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin. MESSRS. LLOYD and BAGGALLAY Prosecuted.

MARY HANSER . I am the wife of Augustus Hanser—we keep a fish-shop at 77, Church Street, Bethnal Green—the prisoner came in about a quarter past 11 at night on 19th October and asked for a pennyworth of stewed eels—he tendered in payment this bad shilling (produced)—I said it was a bad one, he said a gentleman gave it to him for calling a cab—I returned it to him—he went away—a constable came in—shortly after he brought the prisoner back, and I identified him and gave him into custody—he did not give me any good money.

GEORGE BOON (Policeman E 169). On 18th October, about 11 o'clock in the evening, I saw the prisoner there, loitering near the shop of the last witness, passing to and fro, and looking in—he went in and came out again, and I then went in and spoke to Mrs. Hanser and followed the prisoner—I came up to him in Brick Lane, Bethnal Green, about 150 yards from the shop—I said "I shall take you back to the shop where you tried to pass that bad shilling"—he said "A gentleman gave it to me for calling a cab; I was hungry, and went into the shop to get some eels"—I took him back to the shop—on the way I heard something fall on the pavement—I stopped the prisoner and this counterfeit shilling (produced) was picked up close by his feet by Constable 201 H—there was no crowd following us—this other shilling (produced) the prisoner gave me when I stopped him, and said "Here is the shilling that a gentleman gave to me for stopping a cab"—I took him back to Mrs. Hanser's shop; she said "That is the man"—he made no reply—I took him to the station and charged him; he made no answer—he said nothing about the shilling that was picked up.

JOHN WICKS (Policeman Z 201). I saw the prisoner in the custody of Boon—I was following behind; I heard something fall at his feet—I looked down and saw a shilling lying on the ground—I picked it up and gave it to the other officer.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . I have examined these coins; they are both bad, and from the same mould.

GUILTY .— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

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11. ELLEN WHITE (19) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin. MESSRS. LLOYD and BAGGALLAY Prosecuted.

ELLEN CONNOR . I am an unfortunate girl, and live with the prisoner at 4, Albert Street, Shadwell—on 7th November, between 4 and 5 o'clock in the afternoon, she sent me to the Old Gunboat public-house for a pint of ale, and gave me a shilling—I handed the shilling to Elizabeth Cole, and brought back the pint of ale and 10d. change—shortly afterwards she asked me to go for another pint of ale, and gave me a florin—I gave that to Elizabeth Cole—she had no change in the till, and asked me to wait while she went across to get change; she brought the change, and I took it and the pot of ale back—before I went the prisoner had asked me to be sure and go to Mrs. Grammaman's, because she could not drink anybody else's ale—shortly after she asked me to go out with her for a pint, and I went with her to the Old Gunboat—in the bar she said to me, "Nelly, will you take this florin and change it, because I owe the woman over the way there 2s. "—the woman she meant was sitting down on a seat there; she did not owe her any money—I got a pint of ale, which cost 2d., and the change.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You are an unfortunate girl.

ELIZABETH COLE . I am servant at the Old Gunboat public-house, Shadwell—on 7th November, in the afternoon, the prisoner and the las witness came in, and Connor called for a pint of ale—as they were standing together I heard the prisoner say to Connor, "You take this money and pay for the ale, for I owe the woman standing over there some money," and Connor gave me a florin, and I gave her Is. 10d. change—they both drank the beer and went away—I put the florin in the till, where there was no money but one shilling and one sixpence—Mrs. Grammaman took the florin out of the till—Connor had been there

twice before that afternoon—the first florin she gave me I took across the road to Mrs. Brown to get change—the first time she came in she gave me a shilling, which I put in the till—on the following night, the 18th, the prisoner came again with another girl; I don't know who that was—she asked for a pot of ale, and tendered this shilling in payment, and I gave her 10d. change—I put it in the till; there were no other shillings there, and afterwards I sent it with some one for some butter to Drummond's, in Charles Street, and they sent the shilling back—a little while afterwards she came again—at that time the shilling had been returned to me, and I had put it on one side—she called for a glass of ale, and then said she would have ginger beer—in the meantime my mistress had come in; I showed the shilling to her, and then I came back to where I had left the prisoner, and she was gone; she had not touched the ginger beer; nothing had been said to her; she had not waited for her change.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You did not give me a half-crown—I did not say so before the Magistrate.

MARTHA BROWN . I am the wife of James Brown, and live at 15, High Street, Shadwell—on 7th November Elizabeth Cole came to me with a florin, which she wanted changed—I put it in my pocket; there was no other money there—I gave it to my husband, and the next day saw it broken as it is now, and gave it to Mrs. Grammaman.

JAMES BROWN . On 8th November my wife gave me a florin—I tried to change it, but the person to whom I tendered it said it was bad, and broke it—I took it back to my wife, and she took it to Mrs. Grammaman. ADELAIDE GRAMMAMAN. I am a widow, and keep the Old Gunboat at High Street, Shadwell—Cole is my servant, and serves at the bar—on 8th November I went out in the afternoon, and when I came in Cole handed me this bad shilling—the prisoner was at the bar, and could hear what was said—Cole said she had taken it from the till and sent for some butter—she had this second one in her hand, and she showed it me—I said, "Let me look at this," and tried it, and saw it was bad—I said, "Did you take it from this woman?"—she said "Yes"—I went in to her, and she was gone; the change had not been given her, and the ginger beer had not been drunk—I went to the police-station, and as I came back I saw the prisoner coming out of the White Swan, and I gave her into custody—on the 8th after the house was closed I found this bad florin in the cash-box; it must have been paid into the house on the 7th—these broken pieces were handed to me by Mr. Brown.

CHARLES REED . I am landlord of the White Swan at Shadwell—on 8th November, in consequence of some information, I went to my till about 6 o'clock and found a bad florin in it—there were no florins there, but shillings and sixpences; I had cleared it about 20 minutes before—I cannot say if the prisoner had been in my house—I went to the station and saw the prisoner there, and said, "I think you are the young girl that passed these florins"—she said, "It was not me, Mr. Reed; it was the big fellow that was with me. "

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I should not have known you had been in the house if you had not said you had been there.

GEORGE MURRELL (Police Sergeant H). Between 7 and 8 o'clock on the evening of 8th November Mrs. Grammaman pointed the prisoner out to me coming out of the White Swan—I followed her to 4, Albert Street,

and told her I should take her into custody for uttering bad coin—she said, "I don't know what you mean"—I said, "You don't know what I mean? then I will tell you that is passing bad money at Mrs. Grammaman's—she replied, "If I get had for this I shall round on them," speaking to other families in the house—on being charged at the station Mr. Reed came, in saying, "I believe that is the woman who has just passed me this bad coin"—she said, "I will prove to you it was not me; it was a fellow that was with me; why don't you get them who makes it? Long Tom and Little George they make them, two doors from a rag shop in Spitalfields, outside of the Old Frying Pan "—I received one of these coins from Mr. Reed, and the remaining six from Mrs. Grammaman; this one I took direct from Cole's hand.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This shilling, and these two florins passed on the 7th, are bad—they are from different moulds—the shillings passed on the 8th are bad, and the shilling Mrs. Grammaman found in the cash-box is bad, and all three are from the same mould—the florin produced by Mr. Reed is bad, and from the same mould as this broken florin.

The prisoner, in her defence. Hated that all the money she had was given her by a gentleman on the night of the 6th.

GUILTY .† —Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

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12. CHARLES WILLIAMS (24) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. LLOYD and BAGGALLAY Prosecuted.

ANNIE LOVEGROVE . My husband, Walter Lovegrove, keeps the Sling's Arms Tavern, Whitechapel Road—I was serving in the bar about half-past 5 on the afternoon of 8th November, when the prisoner came in alone—there were other people in the bar—I served him with a half-pint of ale and a penny worth of tobacco, and he gave me a shilling—I gave him sixpence and four coppers in change, and put the shilling on the till separate because I suspected it was bad—shortly after two men came in and joined the prisoner, and he asked for a pot of four ale—he gave me another shilling—I thought it looked like the last, and I put it on the till at the back, next to the first one—I gave him a sixpence and four coppers-soon after my husband came in—the prisoner and the two men were still standing togother—I showed the shillings to my husband (quietly, farther down the bar; I don't think they saw me—these are the coins (produced)—they were marked at the station—the coins we take we place in a row on the till in the order in which they are taken.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You did not come into the house with the two men—I have seen you there several times before.

WALTER LOVEGROVE . On the 8th November about half-past 5 or a quarter to 6 my wife called my attention to some bad coins—I saw the prisoner and two other men in the bar—I went for a policeman, and called him into the private bar, and was going to show him the coins, when I saw the three men drink up their beer and walk outside—I pointed the prisoner out to the policeman, and he was brought back and given in charge—the constable searched him—I gave the two bad shillings to the constable—I found there was another bad shilling in the till by the side of where these had been.

THOMAS ROBINS (Policeman E 85). I was called by Mr. Lovegrove—he gave me these three bad shillings—I could not see the prisoner, and he

could not see or hear me—he was pointed out to me outside by Mr. Lovegrove, and I took him back to the house—two men were with him; they walked away—I asked him if he had any more of that make in his possession—he said, "I did not pass any bad coin over the bar"—I searched him, and found three sixpences and 11 1/2 d. in bronze, all good money—he gave his right address—he works at the markets when he can get a job.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These three shillings are all bad—two are from the same mould.

ANNIE LOVEGROVE (Re-examined). I am quite sure I took two of the shillings from the prisoner, but I am not sure whom I took the third from—it was the one before the last two.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. I only changed one shilling in the house. I didn't think it was bad, and don't think it is now.

The prisoner in his defence stated that he had changed a half-crown just before at another house, and that he must have there got the only shilling he changed at the King's Arm.

NOT GUILTY .

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13. WILLIAM FRANK JOHNSON (15) , unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. LLOYD and BAGGALLAY Prosecuted.

FLORENCE HUNT . I assist Mr. Stafford Unwin, a hairdresser, of 17, Regent Street—on Saturday afternoon, 4th November, about ten minutes to 4,1 was in the shop, when the prisoner came in alone and asked for a packet of violet powder, and tendered in payment a half-crown—I gave him one shilling and two sixpences in change—after he had gone I examined the half-crown, and showed it to Mr. Unwin, and it was put aside and kept separate—this is the half-crown.

THOMAS BATTLE . I am 13, and live with my parents at 17, Collingwood Street, Blackfriars Road—I work at the Army and Navy Stores—on 17th November as I was going to my dinner the prisoner stopped me at the corner of Jermyn Street, and said, "Go and get me a sixpenny cake of soap;" pointing to Mr. Unwin's shop over the way—he gave me a two-shilling piece—I went there and offered the florin to the young lady serving—Mr. Unwin was present—he came out, and I showed him the prisoner, who was across the road where I had left him.

STAFFORD UNWIN . I am a hairdresser and perfumer, at 17, Regent Street—on the 4th November I was in the shop, and saw Miss Hunt serve the prisoner with violet powder—after he had left she showed me this half-crown—I put it aside—three days afterwards the last witness came about a quarter to 1 and tendered a florin for some soap—I observed it was bad—I spoke to him about it, and he pointed out the prisoner to me, and I identified him as the person who had been there on the Saturday—I fetched a constable and gave him into custody, charging him with sending the boy in with a counterfeit coin, with a guilty knowledge—he said he did not know the boy, that he had never been in the shop, and "If you will let me off this time I will never do it again "—the boy identified him, and he was charged at Vine Street Police-station.

JOHN FINNEY (Policeman C 56). On the 7th November I was on duty in Piccadilly Circus—the prisoner was pointed out to me by Mr. Unwin—he was standing at the corner of Jermyn Street—I took him into Mr. Unwin's shop—on the way he said he knew he had sent the boy into the shop, but he did not know the money was bad—in the shop he said, "I

do not know the boy; I did not send him in the shop. Will you forgive me? I will never do it again "—he gave a correct address at Daintree—he has borne a good character at Northampton.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This is a bad half-crown, and a bad florin.

The prisoner in his defence stated that he was not in the shop on the Saturday, and that he did not know the one he had passed was bad.

GUILTY. Recommended to mercy on account of his youth.—Judgment respited.

FOURTH COURT.—Tuesday, November 21st, 1882.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

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14. ARTHUR WILLIAM THEOBALD (18) and ALFRED SEMPER (18) , Stealing a post letter containing a sovereign, a shilling, and twelve penny postage-stamps, the property of Her Majesty's Postmaster-General.

SEMPER PLEADED GUILTY .

MESSERS. COWIE and BAGGALLAY Prosecuted; MR. GEOGHEGAN defended Theobald.

ALFRED GEORGE MADDER . I am a clerk in the missing letter branch of the General Post-office, and was instructed to make investigations at the Western District Office, Vere. Street—I made up a letter addressed to Master J. Warren, High School, Cathedral Close, Salisbury, containing a sovereign, a shilling, and twelve penny postage-stamps, which had been previously marked—I posted the letter on the 11th November at 8. 45 a. m.—I had previously instructed Overseer Hoade at Vere Street—I then went to a part of the office where I could watch the letter, and saw Hoade place it on the sorting table of the South-Western Railway Division—the envelope was black-edged—Hoade then joined me; we were about sixteen or seventeen feet away from the table—some few minutes afterwards I saw Theobald go to the sorting table and collect the South-western Division letters, amongst which was this letter,(and he ran through them to see if there were any mis-sorts—he placed a black-edged letter, which was not a mis-sort, on the table to the left of him, and then showed it to junior letter carrier Semper, who was two feet away from him at the South-Eastern division of the same table, and had some conversation with Semper, and Theobald having made a further collection took the letters to the dispatch table—Semper then went to the sorting table and made a collection of letters from the South-Eastern Railway Division, which adjoins the South-Western Division—about 1 o'clock in the afternoon of the same day I saw Theobald in the private room of the Yere Street Postoffice in the presence of Hoade and Police-constable Lord—I told Theobald who I was, and asked him his name, which he told me, and I said to him "This morning at a quarter-past 9 I posted a letter at this office containing coin and stamps, which I had marked; it was placed up to you, and it has been ascertained to be missing; what do you know about it?"—he replied "I know nothing about it"—I then instructed Lord to search him—there was nothing found on him relating to the charge—I said "You were seen by Mr. Hoade and myself to take the letter and show it to Semper and have a conversation with him, and then take the letter away from the table "—he replied "I deny it"—Lord was not in uniform—I said "Have you anything in your locker belonging to the

General Post-office?"—he replied" No"—I said "Have you anything at your house belonging to the General Post-office?"—he said "Nothing at all"—I said "What has become of the letter?"—he replied "And I shall be arrested on the charge"—I said "It is for you to explain what has become of the letter"—he replied "Semper has taken the letter"—I said "What has he done with it?"—he replied "I don't know"—I said "Did you hand it to him?"—he replied "No, I went round and sorted it up for him to take "—I then went with Hoade to see Semper, whom I brought back to the office, and he was confronted with Theobald—I read over to Theobald the whole of a conversation which I had with Semper at 69, Essex Street—I said to Semper "The junior letter carrier Theobald states that he sorted the letter up to you, and that you took it"—he replied "Yes, I did; Theobald said to me 'Here's a coin letter, take it; I Will sort it up to you; I want halves'"—I said to semper "What hate you done with the letter?"—he replied "I have the money, but not the letter "—he then handed me a shilling and six penny stamps, and said "The sovereign and the six other stamps is at home in my box"—I said "Where is the letter and envelope?"—he replied "I burnt them "—he also said "As I was coming out of the office I said to Theobald 'What about this?' Theobald replied 'I shall see you to-night'"—Theobald said "I deny it"—I then said to Semper "you have heard Theobald's denial I what do you say to it?"—he said "What I have said is true; I am sorry I took this letter; Theobald has been tempting me to take letters for a long time, and one day previous this week he offered me a coin letter, which I refused, but I gave way this morning; I should not have seen the letter had not Theobald shown it to me "—I then gave them in custody to Lord, who took them to New Street Police-station—I weal with Lord to Semper's house, and found a sovereign and six penny stamps, which I identified as being the same I enclosed in the letter.

Cross-examined. Every night and day I believe there is an overseer in the sorting-room—there are between 20 and 40 sorters in the room—the dispatch table is parallel with the sorting table—the clerks work on both sides of the table—I was about some 10 or 11 feet from Theobald in a gallery which goes round the room—I was out of sight—Theobald had only one letter in his left hand and two or three in his right—if he had made a mis-sort it would have been his duty to have taken the letters back to the sorting-table—there is no partition between the sorters—very Often a sorter When in doubt would ask another what line a letter was on—it is not the first case I have been engaged in of this kind—it depended upon Theobald's reply whether I should give him in charge—the case had not been completed to my mind at the time I asked him the questions—I had questioned Theobald before I saw Semper, and he said, "I know nothing about the letter. "

Re-examined. Between four and five only were at work at the dispatch table and 10 or 12 at the sorting table—there are six divisions of letters on the table, and there are six separate lots—each clerk should stand opposite six sets of letters—the letters which Semper and Theobald had to deal with were close together—a letter addressed to Salisbury, if found amongst the South-Western Bail way division, would not be a mis-sort; if amongst the South-Eastern division it would be a mis-sort—no one else but Theobald would have to deal with a Salisbury letter.

ROBERT RUMFORD HOADE . I am an overseer at the Western Branch

of the General Post-office—on the 11th of this month, in consequence of instructions I received from Madder, I put a letter for the South-Western Railway division on the sorting table—it was Theobald's duty to deal with the letter—if a sorter has a coin letter amongst his letters it is his duty to dispatch it in the bundle amongst the ordinary letters—In company with Mr. Madder I was watching the sorting table, and I saw Theobald collect the letters from the sorting table and take it to the examining letter, and I saw him select the coin letter—I knew the coin letter by having a pink letter in front of it—Theobald placed the letter on his left hand and had a conversation with Semper, after which he took the letter away, and I did not see what became of it afterwards—if he found a mis-sort amongst his letters he would take it back to the sorting table—a South-Western Railway dispatch officer has no right to take a Salisbury letter to the sorting table—I was present when Mr. Madder had a conversation with Theobald, when he read over in Semper's presence Semper's statement to Theobald.

Cross-examined. When letters are posted for various places they are all placed on one table and sorted by the sorters and letter-carriers—they go through several processes—this letter only passed through my hands before reaching No. 3 sorters' table of the South-Western division—if a clerk does not Know an address it is a common thing to ask another clerk where it is—every carrier undergoes an examination in discerning hand-writing—there is a space of 2 inches between the different heaps of letters—it is possible for a South-Western letter to get mixed up with the Great Western letters.

Re-examined. I am quite satisfied the letter in question did not change places—it was Theobald's duty to Jail in and do a little sorting if necessary—I was watching from a window in a side gallery, from which we could not be seen; it is constructed for the purpose of watching the sorters, and the sorters know it well.

JOHN BRADY . I am an overseer in the General Post office, and on the morning of the 11th November I was on duty in the Western District office—Theobald was on duty also, and during the course of that morning he never gave me any letter containing coin—if he had discovered one it would have been his duty to give it to me for registration.

Cross-examined. I did not know that Madder and Hoade were in the gallery that morning—it is a fact that persons in the room do not know whether any one is watching them or not, but they know they can be watched—I was on book duty—I believe Mr. Bowen was superintending and seeing that the men were doing their duty—he is not here to-day, and was not at the police-court.

EBENEZER POCOCK . I am an overseer in the Inland Revenue branch of the General Post-office, and on the 11th November I searched the bags from the Western branch office which arrived at the General Post-office at 9. 45—1 looked for a letter addressed to Master Warren, High School, Cathedral Close, Salisbury, but could not find it.

WILLIAM LORD. I am a police officer attached to the General Post-office—I was present on the 11th November when a conversation took place between Theobald and Mr. Madder—I searched Theobald and found nothing on him—I was also present at a conversation between Semper and Madder in the presence of Theobald—I searched Semper's lodgings,

and in his box I found a sovereign and six penny postage-stamps, which were identified by Madder as those he posted.

Cross-examined. I went to Theobald's house and searched it—I had every assistance given to me—his parents have lived there forty years, and are respectable people.

ALFRED SEMPER (the Prisoner), I have been nearly five years in the employment of the General Post-office—at first I was employed as a telegraph messenger, but in March last I was promoted to be a junior letter carrier at the Western District Post-office—I was on duty on the 11th November in the South-Eastern Railway Division, Birmingham, and Brighton—I had nothing to do with the South-Western Division—I was at the sorting table, and Theobald was about a yard and a half from me—Theobald said to me "Here's a coin letter, take it; I want halves," showing me a black-edged letter—I afterwards found it amongst my Brighton letters—I took the letter, destroyed the envelope, and kept the money and stamps—later on I had a conversation with Madder, who confronted me with Theobald when two or three other persons were present, and Madder repeated what I had said to him to Theobald—what I told Madder was the whole truth—I left the office twice that morning, and on the second occasion I said to Theobald "How about this letter?"—he replied "All right, I will see you to-night."

Cross-examined. I have been a sorter two years—I was not sure that there was a gallery in the room—I usually sort about 100 letters each mail—the general average of mis-sorts would be two or three—I have sometimes found a letter with an address which I have not known, and I should ask another sorter if he knew where it was—I passed an examination in handwriting—it is correct to say that there was only two inches between Theobald's letters and mine.

Re-examined. It frequently has happened that letters have got mixed—if I had a mis-sort which belonged to the Great Eastern Division I should hand it to the next sorter, but if it was not a division either his or mine I should take it to the head of the sorting table and sort it up properly—if I had found a Salisbury letter amongst mine I should have handed it to Theobald because he was next to me.

GUILTY . Mr. Hoade stated that Theobald was watched in consequence of a statement made by two young men now undergoing imprisonment that he had enticed them to take coin letters. SEMPER— Twelve Months' Hard Labour THEOBALD— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

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15. ALEXANDER CAHILL DODDS (27) , Feloniously forging and uttering an endorsement on a banker's cheque for 50l., with intent to defraud.

MR. CHARLES MATHEWS Prosecuted; MR. GEOGHEGAN defended, at the request of the COURT.

PATRICK CLAY . I am a shipping and insurance agent of No. 3, Adelaide Place, E. C.—the prisoner has been in my service for some eleven years—on the 20th October the New Zealand came in, by which I was expecting a remittance from some clients of mine in Auckland, but none tame—subsequently I ascertained that the draft in question had been presented at the Bank of England—the endorsement at the back is not mine, nor is it an imitation of my handwriting—the figures written across the face are the prisoner's—I have no doubt about that—the prisoner had access to my letters.

Cross-examined. A Mr. Cooper was my former partner, but he left me four or five years ago—I travelled in Scotland frequently—I gave the prisoner leave to sign bills of lading and policies for me, and he has signed endorsed cheques—I don't know anything about a loan office, and I withdrew my leave 12 months ago because the prisoner robbed me—he admitted it—I have had several oases of forged cheques—there are other clerks in my office.

SEPTIMUS MORRIS . I am a clerk in the Drawing Office of the Bank of England—on 23rd October this year the draft produced was presented, and I paid it in a 10l. note and 40l. in gold—I don't recollect who presented it.

WILLIAM HARDY . I am a detective in the City of London—I was present when the prisoner was charged at Seething Lane—in consequence of a message I received I went with another officer to the cells, and saw the prisoner, who said in the course of conversation "I received the money, a 10l. note and 40l. in gold; I paid 25l. to a man named Ward "—the rest he had spent—I searched his desk, and found several receipts from a loan office, 6l. and other sums.

NOT GUILTY (see page 25).

OLD COURT.—Wednesday, November 22nd, 1882.

Before Mr. Justice Hawkins,

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16. WILLIAM SHEPHERD (51) , Feloniously wounding William Treverton, with intent to murder him. Second Count, to do grievous bodily harm.

MESSRS. WILLES and T. W. RAYMOND Prosecuted,

WILLIAM TREVERTON . I am superintendent of the casual ward of Fulham Union—on 31st October, about 6 o'clock, the prisoner presented himself there—I knew him; he is a very old casual—he went to the waiting-room and had a bath; he stopped all night—I went into his cell next morning—he had a task to perform to break three hundredweight of stone in payment of his night's lodging—there is an outer cell adjoining the sleeping cell—I called him to get through his task as quick as possible—he ought to have been able to do it and get discharged by 11 o'clock—he went to the corner of his cell, took up this hammer (produced), which was not broken then, and said "You b—, if I had you here I would beat your brains out"—I was then standing with the door between the two cells in my hand—he held the hammer in both hands, looked at me, and said "You b——B—, I will kill you dead," striking at me with the hammer, and I think from the dent in the door that he would have struck me on the top of my chest—the force of the blow split the hammer handle—I pushed the door, and the blow caught the door—he then made a second blow, which caught a zinc tube containing electric wires—I did not see that blow, as I was in his sleeping cell, but I heard it—I afterwards heard about two more blows—I opened the door and saw him with the hammer raised again, and I rushed in and took it from him—he made a strike at me, but missed me, and it came down on my hand and struck the wall, and the handle flew back and caught me on the side of my head—he then caught me by my necktie, which gave way. and I closed with him—I struck him twice in the eye with my fist to release myself; three times, I think; the second blow was on his nose—an assistant came, and he was overpowered and hand-cuffed.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not ill-treat you when I had you down—I did not say I would make it hot for you.

ARTHUR BIRCH . I am assistant warder in Fulham Union—on 7th November, about 7.30 a.m., I was in the corridor, and heard the prisoner say "I will smash your brains out with this "—I went to the cell where he was, looked in, and could see through both cells—I saw the superintendent with the door in his hand, and heard the blow struck against the door, and the second and the third blows—the superintendent then opened the door and rushed in, and I saw the prisoner with a hammer in his hand—he made a blow at the superintendent with it—I did not hear him say anything—he then dropped it and caught hold of the superintendent by the throat—I went to his assistance—he struck the prisoner, who had him by the throat—I threw him back against the gratings, got the handcuffs, and assisted in putting them on.

WILLIAM CREEK (Policeman T 80). I received the prisoner in custody on a charge of assaulting the superintendent and wilful damage to the cells—I told him the charge, and he said "I don't care; I know you must do your duty "—he was very excited—he said before the Magistrate "I did not assault the superintendent."

The prisoner in his defence denied striking the superintendent, but stated that he had been ill-treated by him, and that his ribs were still bandaged in consequence, and that the witnesses were all telling lies.

NOT GUILTY .

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71. WILLIAM SHEPHERD was again indicted for unlawfully assaulting the said William Treverton in the execution of his duty.

WILLIAM TREVERTON repeated his former evidence.

GUILTY .— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Wednesday and Thursday, Nov. 22nd and 23rd, 1882.

Before Mr. Recorder.

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18. FRANCIS THOMAS CHINN (20) PLEADED GUILTY to two indictments for feloniously forging and uttering two banker's cheques for 5l. and 20l. with intent to defraud. The prisoner received a good character; and was recommended to mercy.— Six Months' Hard Labour

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19. WILLIAM VINER (58) [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] to unlawfully and maliciously publishing defamatory libels of and concerning Edward Berdoe and Edward Walter Berdoe.— Discharged on his own recognisance in 50l. to come up for judgment if called upon.

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20. THOMAS BROWN (18) and THOMAS BRADLAUGH (18) [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] to stealing a silver watch, chain, and other articles, value 3l., the goods of Benjamin Aston. BROWN PLEADED GUILTY to a former conviction of felony.—BROWN— Two Years' Hard Labour. BRADLAUGH— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

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21. CHARLES ARTHUR MARSDEN JENKINS (29) [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] to feloniously forg'ng and uttering an acceptance to a bill of sale for 60l.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

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22. WILLIAM FOSS (17) [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] to burglary in the dwelling-house of Stevenson Smith, with intent to commit a felony.— Nine Months' Hard Labour. And

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23. THOMAS WILLIAMS (27) and ANGEL ANTHONY DODD (25),WILLIAMS [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] to forging two endorsements on two cheques, and forging receipts for the money, and forging an endorsement on another cheque for 5l. 5s. Ad., the moneys of his master, Peter James Rumney. DODD PLEADED GUILTY last Session. —WILLIAMS— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour. DODD— Twelve Months' Hard Labour,

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24. CHARLES TAYLOR (38) was indicted for unlawfully obtaining from Louis Kuttner a banker's cheque for 40l., with intent to defraud.

MR. ATHERLEY JONES, for the prosecution, offered no evidence.

NOT GUILTY .

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25. RICHARD GOLDSMITH GROSSMITH (60) for wilful and corrupt perjury.

MR. J. P. GRAIN Prosecuted; MESSRS DARLING and HOPKINS Defended. This charge arose out of an indictment against the present prosecutor for perjury committed by him in a County Court at Birmingham, upon which charge he was convicted. In this case the Jury also found a verdict of guilty, but the Recorder being dissatisfied with this finding, sentenced the defendant to only three days' imprisonment from the commencement of the Session.

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26. ALEXANDER OAHILL DODD (37) PLEADED GUILTY to stealing a cheque for 50l. of Palk Clay.— Six Months' Hard Labour.

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27. WILLIAM SHORT (21) [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] to stealing a coat of the Metropolitan Railway Company; also to other indictments for similar offences.— Twelve Months' Bard Labour. And

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28. THOMAS PARKINSON (18) [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] to forging and uttering two orders for the delivery of goods.— Three Months Hard Labour.

THIRD COURT.—Wednesday, November 22nd, 1892.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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29. MARTHA NEUNS (21) PLEADED GUILTY to obtaining 1s. by false pretences from Annie Farden, and 1s. from Elizabeth Soley, and 1s. from Charlotte Rooke, with intent to defraud.— One Month's Hard Labour.

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30. ROBERT WILLMOTT** (25) [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] to stealing from the person of Elisabeth Leach a gold chain and locket, value 50s., having been before convicted.— Five Years' Penal Servitude. And

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31. JOHN GREEN** (27) to stealing 11 silk handkerchiefs, the goods of Augustus John Neale; and also to a previous conviction on 9th September, 1872.— [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] Judgment respited.

OLD COURT.—Thursday, November 23rd, 1882.

Before Mir. Justice Hawkims.

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32. MICHAEL MARTIN (33) was indicted for and charged on the Coroner's Inquisition with the manslaughter of James Martin.

MESSRS. POLAND and HORACE AVORY Prosecuted.

SAMUEL FREDERICK LANGHAM . I am Deputy Coroner for the City and Liberty of Westminster—on 24th October I held an inquest on the body of James Martin, the son of the prisoner, a boy about 8 yean of age—the prisoner was present at the inquest, and gave evidence—before doing so I cautioned him—I then took down the evidence he gave—I read it over to him, and he put his mark—this is the statement. (Read: " I went home on Friday, the 13th, at 12 o'clock, to dinner; the deceased was indoors; I asked him why he did not light the fire for his mother's dinner; he then ran under the bed. I then asked him if he intended to come out and light the fire; he said he would. I said 'Why do you not come out and do it at once? your mother has only got an hour for dinner. 'He said he would, only he bad got a loose tooth, and he was going to pull it out. I said 'If you don't make haste and come out of that I shall come for you. 'He said 'I will' and turning round, I suppose he must have knocked his head. He then got up and said 'My head is cut. 'I then caught hold

of him and took him outside; he was bleeding. I asked for assistance. I did not make use of a poker or any instrument to strike him. I did not use the poker produced. The foot part of the bedstead is close to the fireplace." By the JURY—" I did not threaten him."

JANE SYMONDS . I am a widow, and live at 9, Vincent Place, Westminster, right opposite the house where the prisoner lived with his wife and children—I knew the boy James Martin; he was about 8 years of age—on 13th October, a few minutes after 12 o'clock in the day, I had been out for an errand, and when I returned I saw the prisoner coming down the court to his dinner—I came behind him—he went into his house and I went into mine—I had not been in five minutes when I heard cries of help in a man's voice—I came out and saw the prisoner in the court holding the little boy up, and he asked me if I would assist him—I saw a little blood from the boy over the left ear—I was timid, and said "Oh, pray Jimmy, who has done it?"—he made no reply—he asked me to help him to the hospital—Mrs. Connell, a neighbour, came and took the child and sat him on a chair—I went away then—I returned in a few minutes—Mrs. Martin put the child in a perambulator, and I went with her to the hospital and left the child there—I afterwards saw the child there dead—the prisoner was sober.

By the COURT. They had three children, but only the baby and the little boy were at home—the prisoner was a very kind father as far as I know, and very quiet—the boy was a very bad boy, and very troublesome to his parents and to the neighbours.

MARY CONNELL . I am the wife of Richard Connell, a labourer, at 7, Vincent Place—on 13th October, about midday, I was at home—I heard the prisoner hallo a "Who will take the boy to the hospital?"I opened my window and saw him in the court with the boy in his arms—I went and took the boy from him and sat him in a chair—I did not speak to the primmer; he went indoors.

By the COURT. I heard the boy say "Mother," that was all.

CHARLOTTE SMITH . I am 9 years of age, and live with my father and mother in the same house with the prisoner—I knew the little boy James—I did not see him on the Thursday morning—he has been to school sometimes, at the same school I went to—I came home from school about 12 o'clock that day—soon after, while I was in my room, I heard him scream—I opened the door and looked down the stairs, and saw the prisoner holding the boy in his arms, coming out of their parlour—I saw blood on the boy's head—I ran downstairs—after a little time the mother came, and he was taken away—Mrs. Smart, his aunt, came, and the boy said to her "Auntie, I am dying "—that was all he said.

JOHN HILLYER SHONK (Officer of the Criminal Investigation Department). About 10 o'clock on the night of the 13th I went to the Westminster Hospital—I saw the prisoner there in conversation with one of the medical officers; I said "I am a police officer, and I should like you to go with me and show me where the boy knocked his head"—I had previously heard him say "I told him to light the fire to boil the kettle against his mother came home to dinner; he got under the bed and said I Hold on till I pull my tooth cut,' and then took on dodging me and knocked his head against the bedstead "—I then said "Will you go with me and show me where the boy knocked his head?"—he said "I will"—I went with him to 11, Vincent Place, the front room, ground floor—there were two bedsteads in the room, a wooden one and an iron

chair-bedstead; the wooden one was in the middle of the room, and the iron one against the wall; it stood about a foot from the floor—the bottom of the wooden one was about eighteen inches above the floor to the laths—I saw marks of blood just under the wooden bedstead, about three or four inches inwards; it was a sort of spurt of blood, as though ejected from a syringe—there were marks of blood from there to the door; it had not been washed up at all—in the fireplace I found this piece of iron (produced)—I said to the prisoner "Show me the place where the boy knocked his head"—he replied "I can't show you, he knocked it somewhere "—I carefully examined the bed, but could find no projection that was likely to have caused an injury to the skull—he did not point out under which bed he was—I examined both beds—I said "Iam not satisfied with your explanation of this matter, and I shall take you to the station to see my superior officer "—I did so, and Inspector Sherlock asked him various questions—the prisoner appeared to be in a state of semi-intoxication, although he knew what he was saying—I did not take possession of the poker at that time; I left it there—I looked at it, there were no marks of blood upon it; it looked at the point as if it had recently been made red hot—it was taken possession of the night of the inquest.

JAMES SHERLOCK (Police Inspector B}. On the Friday night the last witness brought the prisoner to Rochester Bow Police-station, about 11 o'clock—I should term him half drunk—I said to him "I have been told that you have a boy in the Westminster Hospital suffering from an injury to his head which the doctors are of opinion could not have been caused in the way alleged, can you explain?"—he said "I went home at 12 o'clock, I found there was no fire; the boy was in the room, I told him to light the fire and boil the kettle for his mother's dinner. He said 'Yes, father, I will. 'He got under the bed. I said 'Why don't you light the fire, are you going to do it?' He said 'Yes, father, I will, but I must pull this tooth out. I picked up a boot and said 'If you don't come out of there I will very soon fetch you out,' and made as though I would throw it at him, when be jerked back his head, and I afterwards saw blood coming from him "—that was all he said; I did not make a note of it at that time; I did not think it right to detain him, but when the Coroner's Inquest returned a verdict of manslaughter, on 24th October, he was taken into custody—on the 25th I went to the room and examined the furniture and under the bed—I could not find any projection of any kind that could have inflicted the injury.

GILBERT EDWARD BUTLER. ON the 13th October I was house surgeon at Westminster Hospital—on that day, about 1.20, the boy James Martin was brought there; he was very pale and almost collapsed—there was a small wound on the left side of the head, about half an inch long, about half an inch above the ear, slightly jagged—I afterwards ascertained it was about a quarter of an inch deep, with contusions round it—I sent him into the ward and made a further examination—I then found a small piece of brain matter oozing from the wound—I reported that to Mr. Davey, one of the head surgeons—the boy remained under our care till the 19th, when he died; he never regained consciousness—before he died, Mr. Davey, in my presence, removed a small piece of bone about the size of a threepenny or fourpenny piece, which had been driven into brain—upon a post-mortem examination I found the cause of death was meningitis, resulting from the wound—there was a wound an inch and a

half long in a vertical direction which had been made by the operation above the left ear—the external wound I have described led to a wound in the skull cap, which was quite round, like a bullet hole—I produce the piece of skull which we detached—the wound had penetrated two and a half inches into the brain—I afterwards went to the prisoner's room and examined the bedsteads and everything else in the room—I saw nothing that could have caused the wound—in my judgment this poker might have produced it.

By the COURT. The skull of a boy of that age would be more readily broken than the skull of a grown man—I think it would require a considerable amount of force to make a hole of this sort—I think probably there would be some counter force—the boy's head might be resting against the top of the bedstead underneath, therefore there would be a counter force against it.

RICHARD DAVEY . I am a Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons and one of the surgeons at Westminster Hospital—I have heard Mr. Butler's evidence—it is quite correct—I went to the prisoner's room last night and went under the bed—there was nothing there that could have caused the injury—it would require a smart dig with an instrument of this kind to cause such an injury.

Prisoner's Defence. I never used the poker.

The prisoner received a good character.

GUILTY .—Strongly recommended to mercy by the Jury.— One Month's Hard Labour.

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33. JOHN DALEY (43) was indicted for, and charged on the Coroner's Inquisition with, the manslaughter of Robert Wells . MESSRS. POLAND and HORACE AVORY Prosecuted; MESSES. THORNE COLE and BLACKWELL Defended.

JOSEPH WELLS . I am a packing-case dealer, of 43, Warner Street, Clerkenwell—the deceased, Robert Wells, was my brother—he was about 27 years of age—on Tuesday night, 17th October, about 7 o'clock, I was with my brother outside the Metropolitan beer-house in Farringdon Road—the prisoner and a friend of his came up; I had known him before—the friend asked my brother to have something to drink; he refused—the prisoner and his friend then went into the public-house—my brother and I and a friend afterwards went in—my brother and the prisoner got chaffing each other—they came to high words—I and the deceased and my friend walked out—the prisoner and his friend came out shortly after—they began chaffing each other again, and the prisoner pushed my brother in the belly with his foot, it was not a kick, just in chaff, and the prisoner turned round and gave my brother a kick—my brother said that was cowardly—they went into the public-house again and had something else to drink, not together—they came outside, and were having two or three words together, and at last they challenged each other to fight—they both threw off their coats—it was not a standup fight at all—a man named Billy White said to the prisoner "I would not stand that, Jack, if I was you," and they closed together—no blows were struck before they closed—the prisoner threw my brother off the pavement into the road—he fell on the back of his head, and the prisoner fell on the top of him—it is a stone-paved road—a crowd came round, and the prisoner got up and ran away—I picked my brother up, and sat him on some boxes; he was insensible, and I took him in a cab to St.

Bartholomew's Hospital, where he died next morning—I reported the matter to the police.

Cross-examined. I cannot say who took off his coat first—I tried to prevent their fighting—I was holding my brother's coat to put his arms in when they were closing—my brother put up his foot and just caught the prisoner in the belly—it was not a kick, it was in chaff; they Were only chaffing together—my brother had not done anything that caused White to say "I would not stand that, Jack," only high words—my brother did not call him any names that I am aware of.

CHARLES WEBB . I am a labourer, of 12, Rosoman Street, Clerkenwell—I used to work for the deceased—on the evening of 17th October I went with the last witness to the Metropolitan public-house—we met the deceased inside—he and the prisoner began chaffing together; it ended in high words—we came out—the prisoner and his friend stopped inside—we then went in again, and afterwards all came out together—the prisoner shoved the deceased, and the deceased lifted his foot—it did not touch the prisoner—White said "I would not stand that Jack"—they both pulled off their coats, and the prisoner said "I will kill you and 20 more in five minutes"—they closed together, and the prisoner threw the deceased into the road and fell a-top of him—the deceased fell on the back of his head—he was taken away in a cab.

Cross-examined. I did not see the deceased kick the prisoner, he just lifted his foot as if he was looking at the toe of his boot—I did not see the last witness attempting to hold his brother back, there were too many people round—there was a crowd—I was only about two yards away—I cannot say whether the deceased rushed at the prisoner—they both closed together.

WILLIAM WRIGHT . I am a frame-maker, of Waterloo Place, Clerkenwell Close—I was outside the Metropolitan, and saw the prisoner and deceased jangling—all of a sudden they pulled off their coats and fought—they fell, the prisoner on the top—the deceased knocked his head on the ground—the prisoner got up and ran away.

JAMES ELLIOTT SQUARE . I am house surgeon at St. Bartholomew's Hospital—the deceased was brought there on 18th October, about 8 p.m., he was insensible, and remained so till he died next morning—on the 19th I made a post-mortem examination—I found a fracture of the skull on the left side, and the bone on the other side was broken; that caused effusion of blood on the brain, which caused death—it was an injury likely to be produced by falling heavily to the ground.

JOSEPH WAKEFIELD (Police Sergeant G). I took the prisoner into custody on the night of the 18th—I told him he would be charged with causing the death of Robert Wells by striking him in the Farringdon Road last night—he said "All right, I will go along with you. I know I done it. I am sorry for it; he struck me the first"—at the station he said "If it had been my life it would not have mattered; I suppose there would have been a run for it."

GUILTY. Recommended to mercy by the Jury. †— Five Months' Hard Labour.

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34. JOSEPH HUNT (18) , Feloniously wounding Ellen Hambridge, with intent to murder. Second Count, to do grievous bodily harm. MR. HARRY GIFFARD Prosecuted.

ELLEN HAMBRIDGE . I am married, but am not living with my husband—I have recently been living with the prisoner as his wife at 4, Branston Street, Notting Hill, for two or three months—on the night of 21st October I was in the Admiral Blake public-house, Ladbroke Grove, with the prisoner, my brother-in-law and sister-in-law, drinking together—my husband was there, but was not with our party—I did not offer my husband any beer—the prisoner asked me to come home—I said "Come and have a drink of beer, I will come home in a minute "—he then struck me in the face and kicked me twice in the stomach—he was sober—my brother-in-law interfered to put him outside—I left the house, and went to go home, and just as I got to the corner I saw him come with a knife—I turned into Mrs. Spink's shop, and he stabbed me in the back just below the bladebone on the right side, and I lost my senses and remember nothing else—I saw the handle of the knife in his hand—I heard him say "I have done it, now I am off"—I had a child lying dead at home at the time; it was my husband's child.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I was not in the Admiral Blake with my husband; I was with you—you asked my husband to come there; I did not ask him to come and see the child; I did not speak to him.

MATTHEW FURNESS . I am a carpet-beater, of 20, Branston Grove—on the night in question I was standing outside the Admiral Blake and saw the prisoner—there were several chaps there, and the prisoner asked them for a knife—they said they had not got one—he called the prosecutrix out—she said "Stop a minute, Joe, I will be out in a minute "—that was before he asked for a knife—he went to the house where they were living and came out with this knife in his hand, holding it up—I said" Joe, what are you going to do?"—he said "You get out of the way or else you will have it"—I followed him to Mrs. Spink's shop just at the corner—the prosecutrix was just coming round the corner, and he ran up behind her and struck her with the knife in the back just by her shoulder; he then tried to stab himself two or three times in the chest, chucked the knife down, and said "Now I'm off"—I picked the knife up, looked at it, chucked it down again, and ran after him—I caught him—he said "Let me go"—I said "No, Joe, you have done it; comeback"—he struggled with me; I caught him by the throat, and said "You are not going to get away "—he tried to throw me down—I halloaed "Help," and two chaps came up—he afterwards said "I am glad you caught me, or else I should have done away with myself."

HENRY ARTHUR MIDDLEDITCH . I am a surgeon, of 195, Ladbroke Grove Road—on the evening of 21st October I was called to see the prosecutrix in Spink's shop—she was bleeding from a clean incised wound in the back about an inch in length and about an inch and a half in depth, penetrating to the bladebone, which stopped it, or in all probability it would have penetrated the lungs—it was a dangerous wound, and was such as would be produced by this knife and inflicted with considerable force—she was under my care six days—the wound was quite healed then.

MORRIS MARSHALL (Policeman). I rceceived the prisoner in custody—he said "I know I have done wrong, but I will go quietly with you to the station "—he was sober.

ALFRED BENTTNG (Police Inspector X). I was at the station when the prisoner was brought in—he made a statement, of which I took this note.

"I was in the Admiral Blake drinking with Ellen Hambridge when she asked her husband to drink, which I did not like; I went home, got a knife, and stabbed her; she left her husband because he gave her the bad disease."

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I have nothing to say. A lot of falsehoods have been told about me. "

ELLEN HAMBRIDGE (Re-examined). The wound is not closed up yet—it re-opened, but not so much as it was.

The prisoner in his defence stated that after the prosecutrix left her husband he took her to live with him, and made her a comfortable home, but that she behaved very badly, pledged his things, and was constantly intoxicated; that he had taken care of her child, and paid for the doctor, and that at the time he did this he was just recovering from a fit.

The prisoner received a good character.

GUILTY on Second Count. Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

THIRD COURT.—Thursday, November 23rd, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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35. JOHN WILSON (28) and CHARLES COLDKICK (24) , Robbery with violence on William Fuller, and stealing from his person a matchbox, knife, and 13s. 4d. in money.

MR. W. T. RAYMOND Prosecuted.

JAMES JACOBS (Policeman B R 20). On Sunday evening, 15th October, I was in the Brompton Road, and heard cries of "Murder!" and "Thief!"—I ran, and saw the prosecutor on the ground opposite Tattersall's, and the two prisoners bending over him—Coldrick left him and ran along Bayfield Street—I followed, calling "Stop thief!"—two men stopped him—I caught him, and found a doorkey, a match-box, a knife, and coppers—I took him back to the prosecutor, who was bleeding from his head, and both his pockets were turned inside out—Wilson pushed into the crowd, and the prosecutor said "That is the other man"—I caught hold of Wilson, and held him till a constable came—he said said "This is what I have got for helping a drunken man up "—at the station I found 2s. 2 1/2 d. on Coldrick, and 10 1/2 d. on Wilson—the prosecutor identified the articles—I asked him to come to the station, but missed him on the way, and saw no more of him till he was in the custody of another constable drunk—I never lost sight of Coldrick.

WALTER EATON I am 13 years old, and live with my father, a tailor, at 1A, Knightsbridge Green—on 15th October, at 11 p.m., I was waiting for my father, and saw the prosecutor come down the green drunk and staggering about—he went into the Packenham public-house, came out in two or three minutes, and walked towards Tattersall's—Coldrick then came out of the Packenham—I drew back, and then Wilson came out-they both went after the prosecutor, and I followed and saw him lying on the pavement—he called "Thieves!" and got up, and they ran away—there was only the lamp at the corner, and I could not see far.

WILLIAM FULLER . I am a labourer, of 9, Cumberland Place, Chelsea—this matchbox and knife are mine—on Sunday evening, 15th October, I went into the Packenham public-house—I came out, and when I got to Tattersall's Wilson came on my left hand and knocked me down, and

Coldrick kicked me while I was down and rifled my pockets; I found them inside out—I lost 13s. 9d., which was all I had, some from one pocket, and some from another—I had never seen the prisoners before—I was sober, and was quite right till they stunned me—I got locked up after, but it was through the bleeding—I had only been in one public-house, and had no more than two pints—I had not seen the prisoners in the public-house.

Cross-examined by Wilson. I did not pay for a pot of beer in the Packenham—I don't remember being arrested for being drunk—my forehead was kicked open, and I became insensible—I picked you both out next morning.

Cross-examined by Coldrick. I did not meet you on Knightsbridge Green and ask you to go and drink with me, nor did the barman serve you and refuse to serve me—it was not till next morning that I told you my wife was in the hospital—here is the mark where I was kicked, and I was struck on my side also.

The prisoners in their statements before the Magistrate and in their defence said that they drank with the prosecutor, and afterwards found him lying in the road bleeding, and went to help him, and he must have received his injuries in. the fall, and when he called "Police!" they ran away, and that he invited Coldrick to go home with him, and gave him his things to take care of.

GUILTY of stealing only.— Fifteen Months' Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.—Friday, November 24th, 1882.

before Mr. Justice Hawkins.

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36. JAMES CAIRNS (42) , For the wilful murder of Elizabeth Cairns. He was also charged on the Coroner's Inquisition with manslaughter.

MESSES. POLAND and MONTAGU WILLIAMS Prosecuted; MR. BIRON Defended.

MR. POLAND stated that he should withdraw the charge of murder, and proceed on the manslaughter only. The deceased died from hoemorrhage, caused by injuries to the private parts, which the doctor stated might have been caused either by a kick or a fall on the corner of a box. The evidence is unfit for publication. GUILTY of manslaughter.— Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

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37. WILLIAM ROBERT LOWE (28) , Feloniously setting fire to his house and shop, with intent to defraud.

MESSRS. POLAND and MONTAGU WILLIAMS Prosecuted;

MR. BLACKWELL Defended.

JOHN AMBROSE (Policeman). On 3rd October, at 10.15, I saw smoke coming from the top of the prisoner's shutters—he is a grocer and tobacconist, at 2, Station Terrace, Kew Bridge Road—I knocked, and could not get an answer—I then forced the street door, and found the place full of smoke—I then broke open the parlour door, and found the gas burning, and turned it out—the door leading into the shop was locked—there were two glass windows in it—I broke one, and went into the shop—I opened the shutter, but could not open the door, because there was a pair of steps 11 feet high placed against it inside—I went to the side door, went upstairs, and found the place empty—I came down, but could not get into the shop—I sent for the fire-engines—the fireman broke the glass,

and got in—I then saw two distinct fires—one was the size of a bushel-basket, made with pieces of wood piled up; the other fire was two or three feet from it, in the left corner of the shop, quite distinct and separate, and also made of sticks piled up—the place between them was plain boards, and there was nothing to connect the two—I found no furniture upstairs except a bedstead, bed, pillow, an old blanket, and tin box in a back room.

Cross-examined. I cannot tell whether the lock of the shop door was broken—the wood was broken boxes or egg-chests—there were shelves round the room—I did not see some boxes of cigars and matches on the shelves—this shop is by the side of the railway—I don't know whether passing trains would cause much vibration—I have noticed a vibration on Kew Bridge.

Re-examined. I never found the vibration of trains break up egg-boxes.

CHARLES BROOKS (Police Sergeant). On 3rd October, at 10.30, I went into the shop, and found the fire burning—I saw Ambrose there—I looked into the revolving shutter, and saw a pair of heavy wooden steps 11 feet long placed aslant against the door, and two separate fires burning, one in the left corner and one by the door—they consisted of broken boxes.

Cross-examined. I did not examine the shop—I do not think it is so near the railway as for the trains to cause a vibration; it is 40 or 50 yards from it.

HENRY GRAVES . I am escape conductor of the Brentford Fire Brigade—I was called to this fire, looked through the shutters, and saw a fire in the left-hand corner of the shop—I, should say there were two fires—after the fire was put out I went into the shop and saw a little stock, baskets of pickles; I saw no boxes of cigars on the shelves; I saw some boxes of matches on the centre shelf.

Cross-examined. The door from the parlour into the shop was looked—the fire was composed of a number of empty cans and bits of wood, and matchboxes, sawdust, &c.

ARTHUR FORBES . I am engineer to the Kew Fire Brigade—I was called to the prisoner's premises at 10.30 p.m.—the revolving shutter was taken up; we broke the glass and got the jet through, and played on the fire in the centre of the shop and on the left side—I smelt paraffin.

Cross-examined. The fire was composed of egg-boxes and bundles of wood piled up, but the whole was in a state of combustion—I saw no cans. Re-examined. As soon as we got in another fire broke out on the left-hand side—we put that out, and another broke out on the other side—the wood looked like pieces of egg-boxes.

By the COURT. There were four fires altogether, not all made fires; I think perhaps a spark caught the sawdust.

WILLIAM FRAPPMORE (Policeman). I was near Kew Bridge in plain clothes about 10.15 p.m., and saw smoke coming over the door of the prisoner's premises—I pushed the shutter aside and saw a pair of steps against the door—I saw a large fire on the left of the shop composed of broken wood, such as egg-boxes or something like that, piled up perpendicular as you would make a bonfire—it was about 3 feet from the corner, and at the commencement it would not get near the shelves.

Cross-examined. I afterwards noticed some dust in that comer—I saw

matchboxes on the shelves and some on the floor after the fire, and some cans which may have held paraffin.

JOHN BOWLING (Police Inspector). Between 10.15 and 10.30 on the 3rd October I was called to 2, Station Terrace, Kew Bridge, where I found a shop on fire—the prisoner was absent—I went in after it was extinguished—I found a large fire in a corner of the room, and the debris consisted of pieces of wood and sawdust and a number of matchboxes—the fire was not close to the wall, I should think quite 3 feet away—the height of the debris from the ground was four, five, or six inches—I examined the small back room, where I found an iron bedstead, a pillow, an old blanket, and a tin box—I waited till the prisoner came home, which was about 1 a. m.—I found in the shop about ten or a dozen bottles of pickles, and as many of jam, and a few tins of biscuits—the pickles would be about 4 1/2 d. or 6d. a bottle, and the jam about 6d.—I found some dummy hams, cheeses, and empty barrels—round the shop there were shelves filled with packages representing tea—I opened several of the packets, and they contained sawdust—the tin box contained a quantity of paper, memoranda, and a policy, and about 30 pawn-tickets, extending from the 19th June to the 20th August—they were for small sums varying from 1s. to 1l. 10s., and were in respect of cigars and other things—there was one for 6l. (A long list of articles was read.)

Cross-examined. There was a little fire in the corner when I arrived—the sawdust did not appear to be the sweepings of the shop—I should not like to say that the wood was broken egg-boxes—I think there were one or two dummy eggs—I did not notice the fastening of the front door—I saw steps were placed against the door—there were boxes of matches on the shelves—both counters were burnt; the floor was burnt through where the fire was.

ALFRED WARD (Detective Constable). About 10.20 on the 3rd October I went to 2, Station Terrace, Kew Bridge, when I found the shop in flames—I saw a pile of wood through the window in the left-hand corner, which was blazing furiously—it seemed to consist of pieces 12 to 18 inches long; it might be broken boxes—I remained by the scene of the fire until it was extinguished—I inquired for the occupier and could not find him—after the fire was extinguished I went in and examined the whole of the house—I saw a large quantity of dummy cheeses and hams made of this sort of material (producing a plaster-of-paris specimen)—I observed these parcels of what appeared to be sugar round the shop (produced); they are sawdust—there was an old iron bedstead, a flock mattress, a bed and blanket—on 4th October at 1 o'clock I saw the prisoner in front of the scene of the fire—I told him I should take him into custody on the charge of having wilfully set fire to his premises, 2, Station Terrace, Kew Bridge; he said nothing—I took him to the station and searched him, and found on him 37 pawnbroker's duplicates relating to cigars, furniture, wearing apparel, and various articles of jewellery; also a receipt relating to an insurance policy in the Equitable (produced) and one dated 20th August, 1882, in the Plate Glass Insurance Company, No. 114,937—the insurance receipt was No. 28,193 for 2s. 6d. deposit on insurance of stock, fixtures, and utensils in trade, for 200l., dated 16th September, 1882—I did not notice the lock of the door leading into the street—I saw a pair of steps placed up against the door.

Cross-examined. I certainly jumped to the conclusion that the house had

been wilfully set on fire—I did not make inquiries that would tend to show that it was an accident—I did not attach any importance to the policy on the insurance of his glass—I knew it would be forfeited—the policy was afterwards produced by the gentleman who effected the insurance.

MAUD EDWARDS . I live next door to the prisoner—on the night of the fire I saw him close the shutters at 9.40—at 10.10 when we were in bed We were knocked up, and we saw the fire as soon as we got outside—on the Saturday morning previous to the fire I saw at about 7.20 the prisoner's brother take away some parcels and a pier glass—I have bought things in his shop—I got a loaf of bread there once—I went there for groceries, but did not get them—when we found we could not get what we wanted, I went no more—I went a week previous to the fire.

Cross-examined. I am an assistant at a tobacconist and refreshment rooms, in the emply of Mrs. Payne—the landlord promised Mrs. Payne he would not oppose her—we looked upon the prisoner more or less as a rival trader, and I have spoken to several customers about his carrying on a cigar trade—we thought it was the landlord's fault, after he had made the promise not to let him oppose a widow—I think the prisoner took possession of the premises on the 1st June—I gave him up the key—the opening of the shop caused some excitement, because it was only opened one side, and there was nothing; in the shop then—in one window there were some cheeses—the other side was empty—I bought a quarter of a pound of cheese, and I think he charged me a halfpenny too much for it—I know Mrs. Payne has bought other things there.

HENRY HADDON . I am a lath render, of Brentford—I and my wife lodged in the prisoner's house from the 1st August until 1st October—we got notice to leave on the 30th September, and we left on 2nd October, because my wife told me that if we got out on the Monday he would not charge the rent—on the evening of the 30th September I heard a great noise—two parties came up in the bedroom, and I heard them taking down an iron bedstead—I did not see anything removed—there was some furniture in the upstairs room, which the prisoner and his wife used as a bedroom, and there was some furniture in the parlour downstairs—I occupied the top floor, and had my own furniture—when we left, the prisoner followed me, and said, "You have not paid me the rent"—I said, "Well, I have put myself to a good deal of expense in getting out to oblige you, and I mink you ought to let the rent go "—he said, "No, I want it, and I mean to have it—I gave him 2s. 6d., and told him I would call the next day with the balance (4s.)—he told me not to come round on the Tuesday night, but let it be till the end of the week.

Cross-examined. I know the prisoner's brother was there a great part of the time—I do not know whether he remained there all night—I had taken a house and the house was not ready and I had to take apartments to get out on the Monday—I paid him part of the rent, not because it was inconvenient to pay the whole, but because I thought he was going to run away that night and I should hear no more of him—I believed he did not intend to pay his and he had no right to mine.

ROBERT EVANS BULLEN . I five at 56, Westcroft Square, Hammersmith, and am agent to the Equitable Fire Office—in September last I insured the prisoner's stock and fixtures at 2, Station Terrace, Kew Bridge Road, for 200l.—the prisoner paid 2s. 6d. deposit, which renders

the company liable to pay the insurance—he has not since paid the whole premium, which was 10s.—this is the receipt I gave him (produced).

Cross-examined. I called on the prisoner as I passed several times and asked him to effect an insurance in my office—he did not seem anxious to effect the insurance when I first called—I cannot say when that was—I first insured the plate glass for him, and I told him if there were a fire the insurance would be void—he told me he would insure his stock for 200l.—I may have mentioned 150l.—I looked round and saw what there was about the place—he did not seem at all eager to insure—I told him that if he paid 2s. 6d. deposit, in the event of a fire, he would have a claim against the office—the policy is subject to the approval of the company—I believe I told him the company would be liable to pay only the actual damage and not the whole amount of 200l.—he told me he was getting the remainder of his stock—I did not know there were any dummies in the shop—I thought they were real hams and cheeses, and I thought the packages were real sugar—I saw some cigar boxes—we generally take a deposit and collect the balance when we deliver the policy—we insure for the whole year, and if the insurance is refused we return the deposit.

JAMES HANCOCK . I live in Brentford and am a dealer—I was engaged by the prisoner on the 17th August to remove some chairs, between 5 and 6 in the morning, to Hammersmith—I left the prisoner in the street—he said "You had better go and get some breakfast"—I said there was no shop open, and I would go home, for I could do a job for Mr. Peverey and cut some chaff for the horses-—he gave me 2s. 6d. for the job and said he would give me a job in two or three days' time—I took the barrow home to Mr. Peverey, to whom it belonged.

ALFRED WARD (Further Cross-examined), I found amongst the prisoner's papers when I arrested him bills relating to business transactions, some unpaid, and an invoice on Henderson and Son for the amount of 17l. 13s.—there were other invoices of goods to be forwarded (produced)—the goods were never supplied—there is a receipt here—I did not find any trade books of any sort—I examined the shop minutely.

GUILTY .— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

NEW COURT.—Friday, November 24th, 1882.

Before Mr. Recorder.

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38. FREDERICK ORFORD (17) PLEADED GUILTY to stealing 17l. 9d., moneys of James Jones, and to burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of the said James Jones, and stealing various articles and moneys, his property.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

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39. GIUSEPPE ALLUTO (40) , Keeping a common and disorderly house.

MR. J. P. GRAIN Prosecuted; MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS Defended, The Jury were discharged without being able to agree on a verdict.

THIRD COURT.—Friday, November 24th, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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40. HENRY WARD (30) and RICHARD HENRY HUTCHINS (29) PLEADED GUILTY to burglary in the dwelling-house of Henry Hutchins, and stealing a pair of field-glasses and other goods. HUTCHINS also PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony in July, 1876, at Worship Street.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour. WARD — Twelve Months' Hard Labour. And

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41. CHARLES KING (21) [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] to burglary in the dwelling-house of Thomas Edglow, and stealing three metal plates and other goods and 5l., having been convicted of felony in March, 1878, at Brighton.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour,

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42. JAMES CURTIS (26) and ELIZA LEMON (21) , Robbery on George Cooper, and stealing 8s., his money.

MR. W. T. RAYMOND Prosecuted;

MR. GEOGHEGAN Defended.

GEORGE COOPER . I am a cabdriver, No. 12305, of 15, Tonbridge Street, Goswell Road—I went into Byford's Yard on 25th October about 11 p.m.—the large folding gates were open—they are usually closed—a small outside gate was also undone, any one breaking the padlock of which can go through the yard—I noticed a glimmer of gas in the stable, which is unusual that time of night—before I got to the stable the gas was turned down and a strange man came out—he rushed at me and struck me—we closed and struggled together in the yard—another man came from behind a cab and said "He's only a b——cabman," and struck me on the back of my head—I was knocked down and the men took eight or nine shillings from my trousers pocket while I was underneath them—the other man made his escape—I held the prisoner till We got to the gates—the woman came up and said" Loose him," and kicked me over the eye—I was kicked in my side, but not by the woman—I still continued to keep with the prisoner, and told him I should not allow him to go till some assistance or a constable came—some gentlemen came and asked what was the matter—I told them, and they fetched a constable-in the struggle we had got out of the yard—I gave the prisoners into custody.

Cross-examined. After I left the police-station I went to Warner Street to inform my employer—I then went home—I left the cab in the yard—the yard is about twenty or thirty yards long and very narrow—I said before the Magistrate that the female prisoner kicked me on the side of the head and over the eye—I did not mention my side—I did not shove up against the prisoner, nor say "Go and—yourself "—Curtis did not say "I do no not want any row with you"—I did not say "I want to fight you "—he did not push me away, and I did not stumble and fall—I not say "I will follow you up," nor shout out "You have robbed me "—the prisoner did not say "If you are going to accuse us we will go with you to a policeman "—I did not pull out any silver, nor say I could not tell what I had lost, but thought it was eight or nine shillings—I do not know what was found on the prisoners.

JOHN MCCARTHY (Policeman G 41). I was called about 11.45 on this night by two gentlemen—in consequence of what they said I went to the bottom of Am well Street—I saw the prisoners detained by the prosecutor and others—the prosecutor said "I have been knocked down in the cab-yard

in Lloyd Street by this man and another man who has got away; I have been robbed of eight or nine shillings from my trousers pocket, and while on the ground the female rushed down and kicked me over the eye"—I said to the prisoners "Do you understand what this man says, that you knocked him down and robbed him?"—Curtis said "I was bidding good-night to my young woman in Great Percy Street when the cabman pushed against us and used foul language; I pushed him back and he fell in the road "—I took the prisoners to the station—the female said she was bidding good-night to her young man opposite where she lives in Percy Street—that is about 250 yards from where I saw them.

Cross-examined. It had been raining—the prosecutor went to the station—Curtis advised the woman to come along—she said "I have done nothing; I shan't come"—he said "Come along, it will be all right"—the cabman had a bruise on his left eye—the female is in Mrs. Ansell's service in Great Percy Street—I made inquiries, and Mrs. Ansell said she was an honest and good servant—4 1/2 d. and a pawnticket were found on her when searched, and 5 1/2 d. on the man—he is a carman to Mr. Varley, who has been at this Court, but is not here today—the cabman said he had lost eight or nine shillings, but could not be certain—he pulled out some money to see—I saw the Rev. Mr. Bust here on Monday to give her a character—some socks were found on the man, a pair of which belongs to this clergyman—I saw no sign of liquor about the prisoners.

The Prisoners' Statements before the Magistrate. Curtis says: "I was never in the yard. The man knocked up against me at the corner of Percy Street. I was saying good-night to this young woman." Lemon says: "We were never in the yard. There was no other man with us. I never kicked the man." LEMON was here Acquitted.

Witness for the Defence of Curtis.

ELIZA LEMON (the Prisoner) I am 21 years of age—I have been a domestic servant with Mrs. Ansell ten months—I was previously at a laundry, and could have had a character—the Rev. Mr. Bust has known me and my family nearly seven years—he is here to-day—on Wednesday, 25th October, I left Mrs. Ansell's at 9.45—I met Curtis at my mother's at 18, Owen's Court, Goswell Road—I stayed at my mother's five minutes, and then went for a walk with Curtis round Exmouth Street, and we bid each other good night opposite Mrs. Ansell's door in Great Percy Street, about 45 yards from this cabyard, when the cabman came round from Lloyd Street and shoved against us—he appeared to be drunk and used a bad word—Curtis asked him where he was knocking to, and he turned back and talked about fighting—Curtis shoved him away, and he fell in the road—he got up and put on his hat, and said "I will have you up for robbing me"—we said we would walk with him till we found a policeman—we walked down Lloyd Street and Upper Baker Street to the corner of Amwell Street—the cabman walked across the road first and we followed him to the constable—he said he would charge us, and we went to the station—I was searched, and 4 1/2 d. and a pawnticket were found on me—I did not go inside the yard nor kick the prosecutor on the head—I was admitted to bail in two amount! of 10l. each—I am still in Mrs. Ansell's service.

Cross-examined. I was at Mrs. Hart's, the laundress, three years and three months—before that I was in service at Highbury—I told the constable what the cabman said.

CURTIS— NOT GUILTY .

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43. The said JAMES CURTIS and ELIZA. LEMON were again indicted for assaulting George Cooper and occasioning him actual bodily harm.

MR. RAYMOND offered no evidence.

NOT GUILTY .

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44. DANIEL CONSTANTINE (24) , Robbery with violence on William Richards, and stealing 17s. from his person.

MR. SMITHIES Prosecuted; MR. CRANSTOUN Defended.

WILLIAM RICHARDS . I am a stationer—I live at 10, Exeter Street, Lisson Grove—on 9th October I was walking down Lisson Street a little before 12 o'clock—the prisoner asked me for some beer or tobacco, which I refused—we passed a public-house, and I turned round and looked at him—two other men came up—I received a blow on the nose which knocked me down and broke my nose—the prisoner being next to me, I saw his arm raised to me; he was on my right hand—when I recovered my money was gone from my right-hand trousers pocket—I was very much bruised and had a wound on the back of my hand—I was laid up in the hospital for three weeks and am still an out-patient—I gave the inspector information at the police-station, and a description of the prisoner—the next day a policeman came to my house and made a communication to me—I went to die station and identified the prisoner from eight or nine others.

Cross-examined. I did not say before-the Magistrate the assault was at 12.30; I said about 12 o'clock—I am not in business; I live with my brother and sister—I was in a public-house in the Edgware Road about 9 o'clock with a friend for about three-quarters of an hour—I walked about smoking—about 11 o'clock I was in a public-house at the corner of the Marylebone Road for half an hour or a little more—I drank a few glasses of ale, but was not half-seas over—my mother had given me a sovereign, and I got change in the Edgware Road—I counted 17s. at the public-house door—Newport, the detective, came to me when I was in bed—I do not think he was in the room when I identified the prisoner—the prisoner wore a light jacket—he was dressed as he was when he assaulted me—I identified him by his jacket and trousers—no constables stood behind the prisoner when he was identified. By the COURT. The money was loose in my pocket. FRANCIS NEWPORT (Detective Officer D). I went to the prosecutor's house on 10th October—he gave me a description of a man—about 12.30 a.m. on the 11th I met the prisoner in Chapel Street, about 50 yards from the place of assault—I said "I shall take you into custody for violently assaulting and robbing a man in Lisson Street on the night of the 9th"—he said "God blind me. I was not there!"—I took him into custody—he was placed with eight others and identified by the prosecutor—constables are not placed with the men for identification, nor stand behind the prisoners.

Cross-examined. I did not mistake the prisoner for somebody else when I met him.

JOHN RODD (Policeman D 181). On 9th October I was in Lisson Street at

9.40 p.m.—I saw the prisoner standing with two other men—I have no doubt about it.

Cross-examined. I know the two other men by sight—I stayed there two or three minutes—I took a man named Nye into custody; he was in company with the prisoner—he was taken before the Magistrate and discharged—the prosecutor could not identify him.

GEORGE ROBINSON (Policeman D 149). About 12.20 a.m. on 10th October I was in Brown Street when I saw the prisoner about 800 yards from the place of assault—I stopped him and asked him where he was going—he said "I am going home "—I was on speaking terms with him—nobody was with him.

THOMAS SHORT (Policeman D 268). I was in duty in Bell Street, near Lisson Street—about 11.30 p.m. on 9tb October I saw the prisoner with two others; he looked at me in the face.

Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "It is all false. "

Witnesses for the Defence.

JOHN GRAY . I am barman at the Perseverance—I was serving on 9th October—I had remained in the house from 11.30 till 12.30—the prisoner came in with two others, who are witnesses, about 11.40 p.m.—they left about 12.20—they were in the bar the whole of the time.

Cross-examined. The bar was not crowded—these three men were the last to leave—I was alone in the bar—a female serves, but she was not there—I looked at the clock when I turned them out, not when they came in—I know when they left by the time I closed.

SAMUEL MITCHELL . I am a waiter at the Marylebone Theatre—on 9th October I saw the prisoner about 11.40 p.m.—I had come out of the refreshment place in William Street, and walked to the Perseverance in Stephen Street—that is about 100 yards—the prisoner and Allen, my friends, and I had a pot of ale together—we stayed till 12.20 by the Perseverance clock, when the potman said "Time, gentlemen; please to go out," and we went.

Cross-examined. I was called at the police-court about a fortnight afterwards—the prisoner's brother told me the prisoner was locked up, and asked me to give evidence—I do not know anything about the robbery—I said his brother was with me—I reckoned up the time.

Re-examined. This was on a Monday.

ALFRED ALLEN . I am a painter—on 9th October I was with Samuel Mitchell—coming out of an ale shop we met the prisoner, and Mitchell asked him to have a drink—that was about 11.40 p.m.—the three of us went into the Perseverance—we came out when the barman called "Time, gentlemen, please!"—that was about 12.20.

Cross-examined. My friend asked me to come to the police-court and say what I knew about it—I know it was the 9th, because I looked at my rent-book—I can swear it was Monday.

Re-examined. I was never in the prisoner's company before nor since.

NOT GUILTY .

FOURTH COURT.—Friday November 24th, 1882.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

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45. JOHN RILEY (24), JOHN MURPHY (21), and THOMAS WILSON (18) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of William Lewis, and stealing a coat and a pocket-book, his property.

MR. HOFTMEISTER Prosecuted; MR. THORNE COLE defended Riley and Murphy.

JOHN EDNEY GOSS (City Policeman 366). On 13th October I was on duty in Shoe Lane between 11 and 12 p.m., and saw the three prisoners, another man, and a woman loitering in the lane near the Two Brewers public-house—about 12.30 I had tried the door, and found it shut—about 1.15 I tried it again; it was open—I got the assistance of another constable, and we went in—I saw two of the prisoners behind the bar and one in front—I rang the house-bell, sprang my rattle, drew my truncheon, and told them if they attempted to escape I should knock them down—Riley attempted to kick me, but when they found they could not get past my side they made for the back—Clarke and I followed them into the bar—I found Murphy inside getting into an empty barrel—I took him in custody—Riley ran out at the front door; Clarke apprehended him—I stopped with Murphy till Riley was brought back, and then we took him to the station—I returned to the premises with Inspector Isard, and found Wilson on a low roof of Messrs. Spottis-woode and Co.'s, at the back of the house, without his boots.

Cross-examined by MR. COLE. I always try the public-house doors——the prisoners were sober—I did not smell them.

GEORGE ISARD (City Police Inspector). About 1.30 a.m. on 13th October Riley and Murphy were brought to the station and charged with this burglary—Riley was further charged with assaulting Constable Goss while in the execution of his duty by kicking him in his private parts—I accompanied Goss to 74, Shoe Lane, and examined the premises—I found marks of dirt on the door-post—the fanlight over the street door was open and a window in the back parlour leading to a yard—there is a low wall adjoining the yard—a gas or water pipe attached to the wall was broken down—we searched the low roof adjoining the premises, 74, Shoe Lane, and found Wilson concealed on the roof of Messrs. Spottis-woode's premises, 30 yards from the prosecutor's—he was handed over to two constables and taken to the station—he had no boots on—a pair of boots had been found in the bar, and were then at the station—he said "They are mine," and I gave them to him—he walked to the station without boots—the were all three charged with the burglary; they made no answer—I should say the premises had been entered from the fanlight—there was a lamp about fire or six feet from the ground which would facilitate a person active in climbing to get easily into the fanlight, which is the whole width of the door and revolving on two pins, opens half way, and leaves an aperture large enough for a man to get through.

Cross-examined by MR. COLE. The lamp is about fire feet from the front of the house, and fixed to the facia—a reasonable-sized man could get in—the doors are fastened by bolts top and bottom—no bar, bolt, wok, or any fastening was broken.

GEORGE PARSONS (City Policeman 331). About 6.45 a.m. on 14th October I went to Messrs. Spottiswoode's premises, and found this coat (produced) on the roof, and in the yard of Messrs. Acton and Borman, two doors farther on, I found this pocket-book (produced)—the place where Wilson was found was pointed out to me; it is where I found this coat.

WILLIAM LEWIS . I am a licensed victualler, of 74, Shoe Lane—I have seen Wilson in my house two or three times—this coat and pocketbook are mine—on the evening of 13th October the coat was hanging in the bar parlour with the book in the pocket.

Cross-examined by MR. COLE. There were cigars, tobacco, drink, and about 6l. in the bar—the till was not locked—I did not count the money overnight—I did not lose any money—anybody could help himself to beer, it was not off.

HENRY NIGHTINGALE . I am Mr. Lewis's barman—about 12.30 a.m. on 13th October I closed the premises—I fastened the street door by two bolts, top and bottom, and closed the fanlight—I shut the bar parlour window and fastened it, and the shutters also.

Cross-examined by MR. COLE. I am 17, and have been a barman two years—I was potboy before—I have locked up this house ever since I have been there—there are no locks, only bolts—nobody bolts the place but myself—there is no fastening to the fanlight, I only shut it; it shuts rather tight—it is rather difficult to push to—the street door leads directly into the bar.

GUILTY .

MURPHY then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony at Clerkenwell in 1813.— Five Years' Penal Servitude. BILEY and WILSON— Twelve Months' Hard Labour each.

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46. DANIEL PHILPOTT , Feloniously wounding a mare, the property of Edwin Smith and another.

MR. GOODRICH Prosecuted; MR. GEOGHEGAN defended at the request of the

Court.

ALFRED HAWKINS . I am a carman, of 5, William Street, Rotherhithe—on the afternoon of 24th October last I was in charge of a timber van and three horses on the Archway Road—I was leading the first of the three, and the shaft horse being restive, the prisoner came up and offered to assist me—when we came to the Woodman Tavern I noticed blood running down the back of both front legs of the shaft horse—I said "How did this come?" he said "I should not have noticed it if you had not"—I went to the Wellington, where the prisoner left me—I then noticed that the mare was very bad, and took some water and bathed her legs—I went on till I got to a little farrier's shop just before you come to the White Lion; there I took the mare out—Parsons made a communication to me there, in consequence of which I looked for a constable, and we went and found the prisoner at Barnet.

Cross-examined. When I first spoke to the prisoner a man was walking with him on the same side of the path—I don't know if his name was Herbert Cox—the prisoner was in charge of a horse and cart, and his companion of another—my van did not stop at the arch near Highgate, nor did my horses get across the road so that another cart could not pass—no one went to the wheels and pushed—one horse was in the shafts, and the other two leaders—the leading horse was restive—I had never seen the prisoner before.

Re-examined. The prisoner's companion had nothing to do with my horses.

FREDERICK PARSONS . I am a grocer's porter, of 47, Widmore Street, Holloway—about 4 p.m. on 24th October I was on the Archway Road, near the Birkbeck Tavern, with Dickinson, and saw Hawkins in charge of a three-horse timber van—he was leading the first horse, and the prisoner was leading the shaft horse with his left hand—he had a knife in his right hand, and was stabbing the horse just under the fore leg on the near side—I was only five yards off—I saw him stab it five times—I followed Hawkins, caught him up at the Wellington, and made a communication to him—I saw blood from this mare on the road—it was la pocket-knife; the blade was about half an inch wide—the wounds seemed inflicted more up than down—I saw no man with the prisoner—there was another man higher up the road on the left-hand side—I have no doubt whatever that the prisoner is the man I saw inflict those wounds.

Cross-examined. I was on the near side, and so was the prisoner—I was going in the same direction as the horses, and had passed them, and stopped at the corner of Jackson's Lane—the wounds were inflicted just as the van passed Jackson's Lane; it was nearly on the other side of the road—the prisoner was in front of me; his back was towards me—he took the thing out of his pocket, left hold of the horse, and opened it with both hands—this was about 4.10, it was getting dusk—he never went to the off side that I saw—I never saw the handle of the knife, I saw about half a finger's length of the blade—I saw it was a knife; I saw it shine—I never saw the prisoner before—the carter was with the leading horse; there was no one but he and the prisoner by the side of the van.

By the COURT. I followed Hawkins to the Wellington, about a mile, before I spoke to him—I tried to see a constable, but could not find one, and I went down Colney Hatch Lane to try and find one—I said nothing of it to Hawkins till I came up to him a mile off—I thought I would tell a policeman first.

JOHN ALFRED DICKINSON . I am a lamplighter, of 12, Widmore Road, Holloway—on 24th October, soon after 4 p.m., I was in the Archway Road, near the Birkbeck Tavern, with Parsons—I saw the prisoner leading the shaft horse of a timber van; there were two other horses in front—I saw the prisoner stab the horse twice with a knife—I could only see half an inch of the blade—it was in his right hand, and he was leading the horse with his left, and inflicted the wounds with his right, half up land half down, more up than down—Parsons called me across the road land called my attention to it—he stopped at Jackson's Lane, and then went on again—I saw blood on the ground where they stopped—Parsons left me and went for a policeman.

Cross-examined. I have no pet animals, but if I saw a man killing a dog or cat I should go for a policeman—I should not knock the man down, I might get knocked down myself—I did not tell the man at the leading horse what I had seen—I had my lamp-lighting to do up Jackson's Lane—I thought Parsons would find a policeman and he would tell him—it was getting dusk—I saw that man (Cox) with the prisoner on the same side—there were three men on the near side of the van, the first witness leading the horse, the prisoner with the shaft horse, and the

other man standing 10 yards in front of the prisoner—I did not call to that man—I did nothing to prevent it except speak to Parsons—I saw the prisoner stab twice—I don't know what he did with the knife afterwards—I had never seen the prisoner before—I was 10 yards behind him, and his back was towards me.

JOHN SMITH (Policeman S 371). About 5.30 on the afternoon of 24th October Hawkins made a communication to me at the White Lion farrier's shop, Finchley, and I went after the prisoner and took him at Barnet on a charge of maliciously wounding the horse—he said he had no knife, and had not had one for days, and that he did not do it—I searched him at the station; he had no knife.

Cross-examined. There were no marks of blood on his clothing—he had a horse and cart when I arrested him—the cart had a name on it; I did not notice what name—I do not know he is a carter at Messrs. Mounstephen and Son's, of West Smithfield—I understood that he was in his father's service—he carts hay to the London dealers.

ANTHONY STAINTON . I am a veterinary surgeon, of Hornsey Road, Holloway—on the morning of 25th October I examined a bay mare at Highgate Police-court—I found two distinct punctured wounds on the near side, just behind the fore-arm, about half an inch deep—the animal had lost a quantity of blood—I did not probe the wounds—they were inflicted by some sharp instrument, such as a horse-lancet or penknife—I am not sure that there were not more than two wounds, as all round the place was matted with blood.

Cross-examined. I did not wash the wound, because the animal was not under my charge, it was under the owner's treatment—I was sent for by the police—I have not received a fee—it was six hours after, and the two wounds were visible without washing—a horse lancet is about the breadth of a finger-nail.

FREDERICK PARSONS (Re-examined by MR. GBOGHEGAN). I think I saw only the timber cart in the road, I did not notice any more—I was looking at them for about half a minute—I saw him next at the Wellington, and then the next morning in custody.

Witness for the Defence.

HERBERT COX . I live at Barnet Common, and am a carter in the service of Mr. Crewe—I know the prisoner, he is a carter to his father-on the afternoon of 24th October I and the prisoner were returning from London to Barnet—we overtook a van on the road, had some conversation with the driver, and we all proceeded on to Barnet together—we helped the van; the prisoner shoved the wheels, and after the van had started we walked beside the van—at the time we passed Jackson's Lane I was close to the prisoner—there is not a word of truth in the statement that he stabbed the horse five times in passing that lane—if he had I should have seen him—he had no knife with him, because, as we were coming along I was eating some bread and cheese; I wanted to halve it, and I asked him if he had a knife, and he said he had not—I have known him ever since I can remember—I am 19—during the last 10 years I have never seen him guilty of any act of cruelty—he is always kind to his horses—he has brought hay to Messrs. Moun Stephen's and to Mr. Child's.

Cross-examined. I was walking by the prisoner's side from the Archway

Tavern to Jackson's Lane, and when we got there I saw Parsons and Dickinson on the other side of the road, about 30 yards in front.

Re-examined. I have been with Mr. Crewe 9 or 10 months—I am not with him now; I am nowhere.

GUILTY .— Six Months' Hard Labour.

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47. JOHN WALKER (26) and WILLIAM WINDER (20) , Stealing a chest and 56 pounds of tea, the property of James Hornby Baxendale, Second Count, Receiving the same.

MR. BEARD Prosecuted; MR. PURCELL defended Walker, and MR. GEOGHEGAN defended Winder at the request of the Court.

WILLIAM HARDING (City Detective). About 6.30 pm. on 18th October I was with Denning in Bishopsgate Street Within—I saw the two prisoners wheeling a barrow which contained a cheat of tea—I followed them about 200 yards, crossed the road, and stopped them—as I got near the barrow Winder ran away—I went after him and brought him back to Walker, who was detained by Denning—I said "We are police officers; what have you on the barrow?"—Walker said "I don't know; a box"—I said "What does it contain?"—he said he did not know—I said "Where did you get it from?"—he said "From Thames Wharf; no, Pudding Wharf"—I said "Where are you going to take it to?"—Winder said "To Mr. Pudding of Hoxton"—I said "There is no Thames Wharf or Pudding Wharf in London; your account is unsatisfactory, I shall take you to the station"—I charged them there with unlawful possession of a chest of tea—Walker looked at Winder and said "I will stand this, that young man knows nothing about it; I was hard up, I took it from one of Pickford's vans on Fish Street Hill; is that good enough for you?"

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I gave my evidence next morning at the police-court—I did not say anything of this statement; Denning proved that—I was sworn to tell the whole truth—I thought the statement important—I had arranged with Denning to prove it—I have been in the City police 14 years—City policemen are not directed to take down statements in writing—I made a rough memorandum of it afterwards; I have it here—I don't think you can read it—Walker was wheeling the barrow, and Winder was walking beside him—I did not take a note of what Walker said when I stopped him; I relied on my memory—I may be engaged in about half a dozen cases every week—I have a great deal to remember—before the Alderman, Walker said that he had been asked to take the box for a man named Pudding.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. Winder ran about six yards—he ran the width the footpath, and into the churchyard—I had no difficulty in catching him—Winder said they were going to take it to Mr. Pudding, at Hoxton.

WILLIAM ARNOLD . I am in the employ of Pickford and Co., as a checker and receiver at the White Swan, Whitechapel—on 18th October I received six chests of tea from the depot.

Cross-examined. We had a load of chests of tea; I cannot say how many—about twenty of us are employed in receiving them—carts come up and deliver all day long—men and boys are with the carts.

JAMES SUTTON . I am in the employ of Pickford and Co., as a checker out at the White Swan Yard—on 18th October I checked out aim chests

of tea, the particular chests that are numbered 5412—17 on this bill of loading (produced).

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I can't say how many other chests of tea I checked out on that day—there are other men besides me—I am the only checker at that end—there is another end with other checkers and more chests of tea—I have to examine the marks on a number of chests, and I scratch off the number on the bill of lading, and I have to do it a great many times in the course of the day—I sometimes make mistakes; some of the numbers you can hardly discern—if we cannot make out the number, we put them to order.

WILLIAM ATTWOOD . I am a carman in the employ of Francis Collins, of Wenlock Road—on 18th October I was working for Pickford and Co.—I received from their depot this bill of lading and six chests of tea—I had to take them to the South Coast Railway, Willow Walk—I stopped to put my bills in to the office, and then took the load into the office, and backed the van into the dock—I left it there to be unloaded.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. The bill of lading referred to six halt chests—I did not see who put them on the van—when I first saw them they were on the van—I had the bill in the office with a quantity more—I did not see any other chests on the van—I have no van boy—when I took the papers into the office I left the van to take care of itself—there were two or three other vans there; not in the same dock, three or four yards away—people could get from other docks into my dock—I dare say there were half a dozen persons there—I suppose I was three or four minutes away from my van.

Re-examined. I noticed the tea on the top of my load before I started, because I shifted it from the top into the middle of the van—I did not count or check them with the bill of lading—I had to put a sheet over the load, as there was no boy to do it.

THOMAS SMITH . I am employed by the London Brighton and South Coast Railway, at Willow Walk Bail way-station—on 18th October I received a load from Attwood—I cannot say how many chests I cleared off the van for Cochrane, of Brighton—there were several different consignments—there was a consignment of six, of which I only received five—the numbers I checked off were 5416, 5412, 5417, 5415, 5413—there was no No. 5414

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I checked out all the chests of tea on the van—I was not called at the police-court—the numbers are very difficult to read sometimes; sometimes they are nearly obliterated—chests of tea are sent wrongly sometimes. Re-examined. The numbers on all these five chests were readable. CHARLES MULLER. I am clerk to Pickford and Co., of Gresham Street—I recollect this chest of tea; it should have gone to Cochrane, of Brighton—it was one of six numbered 5412-7—I have examined it; it has one of Pickford and Co.'s labels on it, and a card with the number 5414—it contains 56lb. of tea, and is worth about 7l.

DANIEL DENNING (City Detective). On 18th October I was in Bishopsgate Street with Harding, and saw Walker wheeling a barrow and Winder walking by his side, apparently in conversation—we followed them about 100 yards—then Winder got away—I caught hold of Walker—Harding brought Winder back, and said "What have you on this barrow?" Walker said "A box"—he said "Where did you get it

from?" Walker said "From Thames Wharf; oh, no, I mean from Pudding Wharf"—I said "Where are you going to take it?" Winder said "Mr. Pudding's, Hoxton"—Harding said "There is no Thames Wharf or Pudding Wharf; we shall take you in custody, and charge you with unlawful possession"—at the station, when Walker was searched, he looked at Winder and said "I will stand this. This young man does not know anything about it. I stole it from one of Pickford's vans on Fish Street Hill. I was hard up, or I would not have done it. Is that good enough for you?"

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I gave my evidence on the remand on 26th October—Harding gave his evidence on the 19th—I did not put Walker's statement into writing—I have been in the force 9 or 10 years; I rely on my memory—I am sure the words I have given you were what Walker used——hesaid "stole it" from the van—I said the same before the Magistrate, but I don't know if I left out the words "I was hard up, or I would not have done it."

The Prisoner's statements before the Magistrate. Walker says: "I was on Tower Hill, and a man said to me 'Will you do a job for me?' I said 'Yes,' and he asked me to take the barrow and box to Hoxton, and said he would give me a shilling. As I was in Bishopsgate Street these two constables asked what I had, and I said 'A box of tea,' and that I was going to take it to a man named Pudding. I thought that man was behind me. The constable took me across the road." Winder says: "I was in Bishopsgate Street, and this man Walker called me and asked me for Dean Street, Hoxton. I told him I did not know, and I left him, and then the constable tapped me on the shoulder and asked me what was in the barrow. I said I did not know what the chap wanted, and he took me to the station."

WINDER— NOT GUILTY .

WALKER— GUILTY .

He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony in 1879 in the name of Charles Terrell .— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

OLD COURT.—Saturday, November 25th, 1882.

Before Mr. Recorder.

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48. GEORGE MANDER (33), THOMAS HUNT (40), JOHN RYAN (21), and ROBERT ANDREWS (61) , Stealing two firkins of butter, the property of the Great Western Railway Company.

MR. MASTERMAN Prosecuted;

MR. GEOGHEGAN defended Andrews.

JOHN WENBRIDGE . I am a checker at the Great Western Railway, Paddington—on 9th October I unloaded a truck of butter containing 6 firkins, directed to Messrs. Stranger, and marked "S" in a diamond—I had them placed on the platform, and after I had unloaded the truck I saw Hunt placing a firkin into his van, and saw another in his van—Mander was standing by his side—I spoke to Goldsmith, a checker, and sent for Inspector Acason—Hunt drove the van out of the station—I missed firkins No. 2 and No. 6.

JOSEPH ACASON (Great Western Railway Constable). On 9th October, about 1.15, Wenbridge sent for me, and I saw Hunt drive his van out-Sergeant Hare came up at the time—I followed the van to South Wharf Road, where Hunt pulled up at the Bank of England public-house, got down and went in, and came out with Manders—they got on the front

of the van and drove away—Ryan ran up in Wharf Road and spoke to them, and ran by the side of the van till they got to Sale Street—the van drove down Sale Street into Star Street, and stopped there, but Ryan ran down Praed Street into the Edgware Road, and stopped in Chapel Street—I followed them till I lost sight of them in Drury Lane—I have known Mander, Hunt, and Ryan for years in the employ of the Great Western Railway and their agents as van boys and carmen, brought up at the station—Hunt is now in the employ of a collector named Flaxman.

ARTHUR HARE (Police Sergeant X). I accompanied Inspector Acason, and followed Hunt's van to Drury Lane, and saw Mander join it in South Wharf Road—they went on to Oxford Street—Mander was then driving—they stopped and delivered some paper at Parkins and Gotto's, and then went on to Queenhithe, where they delivered some more paper, and drew the van up outside a warehouse in Upper Thames Street, where I was inside watching—they left it there, and all three went up a turning and into a public-house—I then jumped into the van, and in the front part of it found these two firkins of butter (produced) under some sacks—I got down and watched, and in about three minutes they all three returned to the van, and Hunt drove it to the corner of Shaftesbury Place, Aldersgate Street, where it stopped, and Mander and Ryan got down, each with a firkin of butter on his shoulder—Hunt still remained on the dickey—I followed them up the court, and called Argent, a City policeman, to follow me—-they went to the door of a private house in the left corner, the door of which was ajar—Ryan pushed it open, and went in, and Mander followed him, and set down his cask of butter, and Ryan did the same—I said to Argent "Arrest that man," meaning Mander, and I caught him by the back of his collar—I then saw Andrews, and said "Are you the landlord?"—he said "I am"—I said "What are you doing with this butter?"—he said "You may take it away again, my boy, I don't want it"—I charged Ryan and Mander with being concerned in stealing the butter from the Great Western Railway, and Andrews with receiving it—I left then with Argent, went into Aiders-gate Street, and said to Hunt "Get down, I want to speak to you"—he said "What do you want?"—I said "I am a police officer, and you will be charged with stealing two casks of butter from the Great Western Railway"—he said "Butter! I never had any butter in my van!"—he refused to get down, and I got on the step of the van—Detective Collins came to my assistance, and we took Hunt into the passage of No. 81—we put them into two cabs, and on the way to the station Andrews said" If this fellow will bring this stuff to my house how am I to help it? why did not you let me pay for the stuff as I asked you?"

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. There is not a public-house next door to Andrews's house, but there is a hoarding where a building has been pulled down—no money was passed; they had no time.

CHARLES ARGENT (City Policeman). Hare called me to his assistance, and I took Mander—Hare left me in charge while he went to the van—Andrews said nothing, but he threw away this piece of paper: "155 lbs. butter at 10 1/2 d. 6l. 5s. 7d."

Cross-examined by Mander. You said "You need not be frightened that I shall run away; I was hired to carry it there. "

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. I have seen male lodgers going into the house. Andrews could not speak distinctly for drink.

FRANCIS SMITH (City Policeman). I took charge of Andrews—ho said "It is very hard, after getting a fellow a situation at 2l. or 3l. a week, for this to be brought like this. I know nothing about it; take it away. I am willing to pay all expenses "—he was the worse for liquor.

WILLIAM COLLINS (City Detective). I brought Andrews out of the House—he said "This is all brought on through this boy of mine," and threw some money up the passage towards the side entrance—I picked it up and gave it to Hare.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. He said that he wanted to give it to his wife—he threw it as far as he could up the passage, and said "There is 18l. thine; pick it up, and don't rob me." ROBERT BROWN (Police Sergeant). On 9th October I was watching the entrance to the Great Western goods station, and saw Mander come out from the goods shed—he said to me "How do you do, sir?" and in about five minutes Hunt came out with his van. THOMAS FLYNN. I am in the employ of Bidgway, of Waterford—these firkins of butter were put on board a vessel there by Messrs. Rodrigues. WILLIAM THOMAS MASON (Police Superintendent). I was present before the Magistrate when Hare gave his evidence, and when he said that he saw Andrews at his house, Andrews said "Saw me! I was not at home at the time." Manders's Defence. I was standing outside a public-house. He met a man and gave him a firkin of butter, and said "Go up to the Bank of England public-house." I did so, and waited till he came and gave me a drop of beer. We met Ryan in Chapel Street. He said he was going to the City, and came with us. He drove to Aldersgate Street and said, "Take the butter up the court right up to the top in the left-hand corner," and I took it.

Hunt's Defence. On 9th October I saw Mander, who asked me to go with him to the station. He said "Are you going into the City?" I said "Yes, but not straight; I have several deliveries on my road." He said, "I have two little firkins; I will give you eighteenpence to take them." He put one on, and I said, "Are you going to ride down?" He said "No, I shall meet you there." I delivered some paper, and pulled up my van in Thames Street, where the foreman gave me some beer, and I left the van at the corner for three minutes. I was directed to take the butter to Aldersgate Street, which I did, and pulled up and said, "Carry one up, George; carry one up, Jack;" and the constable came and took me.

Ryan's Defence. I was in Chapel Street. This man drove by with his van, and I asked him to give me a lift. He delivered lots of paper, and I called his attention to two firkins of butter in front of the van. He said that a man had given him eighteenpence to take them to Aldersgate Street, and asked me to carry one up the court. I did so, and the detective came.

Andrews and Hunt received good characters.

GUILTY . The Jury recommended Andrews and Hunt to mercy. MANDER, HUNT, and ANDREWS— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour. RYAN— Two Years' Hard Labour.

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49. THOMAS HALL (19) , Stealing a watch of James Patterson from his person.

MR. ISACCSON Prosecuted,

JAMES PATTERSON . I am an officer of the Customs—on the afternoon of 6th November, about 1 o'clock, as I was coming up Tower Hill, I stopped to look at a man selling scented herbs; there was a crowd of about 20 or 30 people—the prisoner took my watch from my pocket; I saw him with it in his hand—he ran off—I immediately cried "Stop thief!" and chased him for about 200 yards—he rushed into a crowd of idlers at the corner—I fought my way through them and took hold of him—he turned round upon me—he was out of breath, as I was—two detectives sprang forward and took him—I never lost sight of him; I was never two yards behind him—I am sure he is the lad.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You were not standing at the corner or coming out of a grocer's shop with a pennyworth of grapes in your hand.

JOHN REGAN (Thames Police). The prisoner was given into my custody by the prosecutor—he made no answer to the charge—I searched him, but found nothing on him—on the way to the station he became very violent—the watch has not been found.

JAMES CADET (Thames Police). On the way from the station to the police-court the prisoner said "So help me God, governor, I never saw the watch. I had just come out of the shop after buying a pennyworth of grapes"—he had some grapes in his pocket—he refused his address.

GUILTY .— Four Months' Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Saturday, November 25th, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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50. FRANCES GENINI (23) PLEADED GUILTY to forging and uttera County Court summons purporting to issue out of the Westminster County Court.— Fifteen Months' Hard Labour.

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51. ARTHUR STRACEY (19) , Forging the seal of the Court of Record of the High Court of Justice. Second Count, Forging a writ of the said Court.

MR. MEAD Prosecuted; MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS Defended. HENRY BAYLIS WORRALL. I am managing clerk to Messrs. Davis, Son, and Co., solicitors, of 80, Coleman street—the prisoner has been in the same service a year as common law and general clerk—he received 1l. 5s. a week wages—in August last we had instructions in the matter of Ernest Miroy v. J. G. Pinnock to sue for 28l.—1 instructed the prisoner to issue a writ of summons—that was issued and served—the defendant in the suit or his solicitor called upon us, and an arrangement was made—I communicated that arrangement to the prisoner—the defendant was to pay 2l. a month and the costs—we were to he allowed to sign judgment, and the defendant was not to enter an appearance—we undertook not to issue execution so long as the instalments were regularly paid, but if there were a default, we were to issue execution immediately—on 31st August I gave the prisoner instructions to sign judgment, and gave him money sufficient for the purpose—we fill up the judgment paper in duplicate, affix a 10s. stamp on one copy and a 6d. stamp on the other, and

hand them in to the office, where the stamps are cancelled by being perforated—the officials also affix the seal of the Court, an impression in ink—I produce the diary kept by the prisoner, and on August 31st is the entry "Miroy v. Pinnock. Oath, affidavit of service, searching appearance, judgment, filing office copy"—the actual payment, 1s. 6d., was entered in the cash-book—this is the entry in the cash-book: "31st August Oath of service of writ, 1s. 6d.; filing, 2s.; searching appearance, 1s. 1d.; judgment, 10s.; office copy, 6d. 'bus, 3d. "—that is the entry on signing judgment written by the prisoner—the prisoner went for his holidays on 1st September and returned on the 19th—in the meantime the defendant made a default in the payment of one of the instalments, and it became necessary to issue a writ of fi. fa.—when the prisoner returned on 19th September I told him to issue an execution in the action—I gave him sufficient money for the purpose—one fills up a precept and puts a 5s. stamp upon it; then one fills up the form of writ, which bears no money stamp—the official fixes the seal of the Court to that—it is then taken by the Sheriff's officer to execute, and the fee is paid of 2s. 6d. by the clerk to the plaintiff's solicitor on leaving—we employed Mr. Odell, of Chancery Lane—when the prisoner returned, about 4 p.m., I said "Have you put in the execution"—he said "I have"—the next day some one from Mr. Odell's office called on me with this document, and called my attention to the seal—I noticed the impression was inverted—the same day, the 19th September, I had given the prisoner instructions to issue this writ of summons in another matter—it has a genuine seal upon it—the impression upon the alleged forged writ could have been produced by placing that stamped writ upon it when wet—I then searched for the office copy amongst the papers—I found this document—the stamp is not properly cancelled—when the prisoner came back I said "Did you do it because you were hard up for money?"—he replied "I did"—this prosecution was instituted by the Public Prosecutor—the signing judgment and issuing of the fi. fa. may be done at the same time in succession—the officials search their books before they issue &fi. fa., and sometimes require the production of the office copy of the judgment, therefore it is necessary before a fi. fa. is issued that judgment should be signed.

Cross-examined. The prisoner came to us from Jackson and Evans, where he had been about 12 months—his father has been in a situation 19 years, and is very respectable—I had no fault to find with the prisoner—the money was given him on 31st August, and he was going for his holiday the next day—we are no parties to proceeding against him.

JAMES EWEN WALLER . I am employed by Mr. Odell as Sheriff's officer, of High Holborn—I received the writ of fi. fa. now produced from Mr. Worrall—he paid me half a crown, the warrant fee—I then sent it to the Under Sheriff's office, 44, Red Lion Square—the same day it was returned to me—I called Mr. Odell's attention to it, and then called upon Mr. Worrall—I had not looked much at the seal when I received it—knowing the name of the solicitor, I took for granted the document was genuine.

FREDERICK GEORGE MACKARNESS . I am employed by Messrs. Burchell, the Under Sheriff for Middlesex—I received this writ of fi. fa. from Mr. Odell's office—I put it in the warrant-book—the clerk's duty would be

to fill up the warrant—Mr. Webb, the clerk, showed it to me—I took it to the room where it was issued at the High Court—I sent it to Mr. Odell.

EDWARD CHARLES WEBB . I am clerk to Mr. Burchell—I took up this writ of fi. fa. to extract the warrant—I looked at the seal to ascertain the date, and found I could not see the date—I showed it to Mr. Mackarness.

WILLIAM JOHN WELLER . I am a clerk in the Queen's Bench Division of the High Court—the perforation of the office copy judgment paper is not regular—the seal upon the fi. fa. is not genuine—judgment was not signed till 3rd October, and no writ of fi. fa. was issued before that time.

CHARLES BERRY (Police Sergeant E). About 10 a.m. on 12th October I apprehended the prisoner—I read the warrant to him, which charged him with altering a writ in the High Court of Justice—he said "I did not do it for gain. I should have signed the judgment before I went for my holidays, but I did not do so on my return—I was told to issue execution, but as the judgment had not been signed I could not do so, and I then forged the seal"

The prisoner received an excellent character.

NOT GUILTY .

There were two other similar indictments, upon which no evidence was offered.

NOT GUILTY .

OLD COURT.—Monday, November 27th, 1882.

Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.

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52. THOMAS SAUNDERS (21), WILLIAM MILLS (20), and THOMAS HUGHES (19) , Robbery with violence on Clara Hornsey, and stealing a bag and other goods and 17s. 6d., her goods and money. MR. JACKSON Prosecuted.

CLARA HORNSEY . I am the wife of George Hornsey, of the Old Catherine Wheel public-house, 40, Bishopsgate Street—about 5.30 p.m. on 1st November I was coming out of Mr. Andrews's, the jeweller's shop in the Holloway Road—I had a little boy with me—I was about to open my umbrella when Hughes snatched at this bag (produced), but did not get it—the bag contained a purse, three handkerchiefs, nine postage-stamps, 17s. 6d., and a bunch of keys—then some one hit me in the back and knocked me down—I next saw the three prisoners run away—some one trampled on my umbrella and broke it up—the bag had then been taken—I was shaken a great deal, and my hand was grazed.

Cross-examined by Saunders. I remained in the jeweller's shop about ten minutes—I did not run down the turning and shout "Stop thief" and "Police," but my little boy did so—it was raining and very muddy—I was smothered with mud—I did not show it at the police-station; everybody could see it.

Cross-examined by Hughes. I am quite sure you snatched my bag—you are the only one I recognised—I recognised you by your face—I saw you in the Seven Sisters Road ten minutes after my bag was taken.

JOHN OTWAY {Police Sergeant Y). A little after 5 o'clock on 1st November I was in the Holloway Road—I saw the three prisoners

together—I fetched three other constables in consequence of the prisoners' movements—I continued following them till I saw two officers at the Nag's Head—I saw Mrs. Hornsey come out of the jeweller's shop—the prisoners were standing at the corner of a dark turning at the corner of the jeweller's shop—as Mrs. Hornsey proceeded towards the Nag's Head the prisoners rushed from the dark corner and pounced upon her—I saw Hughes snatch at something in front of her—they appeared to drag her down the turning—she was hustled down—I rushed across the road—I saw Saunders strike her with his fist between the two shoulders, and she fell to the ground screaming—they all ran away, and I ran after them, passing the prosecutrix, who was screaming on the ground—I passed Hughes—I made a signal to another officer who was behind me—I followed them for about half a mile, through several turnings into the Hornsey Road, where I got in front of them, and another officer in plain clothes followed in pursuit with me—I apprehended Saunders, and Craig apprehended Hughes—I said "I am a police officer;" Saunders said "I am going to have a go for this"—we struggled, and I threw him on the ground—he said he would go quietly—he got up, and kicked me in the shin, and tried to kick me in the private parts—I threw him to the ground again, and he tried to catch hold of my private parts while on the ground—I received a blow from somebody else—assistance came, and we got the prisoners to the station—at the station Saunders said "I hope you are not hurt, lady"—when struggling with Saunders I saw Mills throw a bag into a butcher's shop—I went back for it, and met the butcher, who delivered it to me—this is the bag-—it contained all the property except the purse and money—at the station Mills produced this purse from his right-hand pocket—it contained the money—the prisoners were charged—I did not hear any reply.

Cross-examined by Saunders, We constables were not all together, one was in a garden watching you; two of us were together—we were 30 yards off, across the road—I saw you following several ladies; that induced me to watch you—you asked the lady not to charge you—you said perhaps some one struck her who was running after you, but there was nobody.

WILLIAM GOOD (Policeman YR 40). I was on duty in the Holloway Road on the evening of 1st November—I watched the prisoners with Otway—I saw the prosecutrix come out of the jeweller's shop, and the three prisoners surround her—Hughes snatched at something—Saunders was behind her; he gave her a violent blow with his right hand and knocked her on the ground—all three ran away—I ran down another street to meet them after going a short way with Otway.

AMOS ORAM (Policeman T 522). On 1st November, a little before 6 p.m., I was in the Seven Sisters Road in plain clothes—I saw Otway chasing Mills and Saunders out of Bowman's Place—I accompanied Otway—I saw Mills with a bag under his coat—he threw it into a butcher's shop, and said he would have a good go for it when I told him I was a police officer—he then tripped me up, and hurt my head very much—when I got up he butted me in the face with his knee, and made my nose bleed; he struck me twice in. the face with his fist—we got them to the station, where Mills produced a purse—in reply to the charge Mills handed the purse to Otway, and said "I am guilty," and Saunders said "I am guilty, I hope the lady will not press the

charge"—Saunders also said they had not had anything to eat all day, and they had not anything—I took Mills into custody.

Cross-examined by Mills. You were running—I showed my marks at the police-station, and my face was all over blood.

Cross-examined by Hughes. I did not see you do anything.

JAMES THOMAS (Policeman Y 109). I watched the prisoners with Otway on this evening—when Mrs. Hornsey came out of the shop I saw Hughes snatch at something—shortly afterwards I saw Saunders strike the prosecutrix in the middle of the back—I heard her scream out, and I gave chase when the prisoners ran away—I caught Hughes in about 10 yards; I told him I wanted him—he said "What for? I said "I have been watching your game for some time"—he said "You have made a mistake this time; "I said" No, I have not."

The Prisoners' Statements before the Magistrate. Saunders says: "I am guilty of the satchel, but not of any assault." Mills says: "I have nothing to say." Hughes says: "I am not guilty of snatching at the satchel. "

In defence Saunders said he was not guilty of violence, but was simply guilty of the robbery. Mills said that when he asked what he was taken for the constable said it was for taking the lady's watch and chain, and he told the butcher to hit them with the chopper, and threw him on the ground, Hughes said he was simply walking down the street where the robbery was done. He had nothing in his possession.

GUILTY .

SAUNDERS and MILLS PLEADED GUILTY to having been before convicted.— Five Years' Penal Servitude each.

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53. JOHN STEVENS (18) , Robbery with violence on Thomas England, and stealing from his person a watch and chain, his property.

MR. DE MICHELE Prosecuted.

THOMAS ENGLAND . I am an architect's clerk, and live at 114, North Street, Poplar—on 9th August, about 12.33 in the day, I was in Commercial Road, Whitechapel, and at the corner of Church Lane three roughs fell on me and caught me by my throat with a knee in my back—the prisoner is one of them—I can't tell what part he took—I was butted in the stomach at the same time, and my chain was broken, which had a half-sovereign attached to it, but my watch was left—my throat was squeezed so that blood came into my mouth—I fell down and lost my senses—I was also very severely ruptured, and had to be fitted with a truss—a gentleman picked me up and took me into a public-house—I was attended by Dr. Uppingham, and had to go to Devonshire for my health for a fortnight-two of the men, Harvey and Jones, were convicted at Middlesex Sessions, and sentenced to penal servitude—I was 76 years old last August—I have never been ruptured before—on 10th October I identified the prisoner among seven or eight others at Leman Street Station—I have not the slightest doubt about him.

The Prisoner. The other one seized his throat and stole the chain.

JOSEPH MARRIOTT (Police Sergeant H). On 9th August, about noon, I was on duty in the Commercial Road, Whitechapel, and saw the prisoner with Harvey and Jones—I followed them and saw them watching the prosecutor very closely, behind him, and going in the same direction—I was sometimes five yards from them, and sometimes a little more—the prisoner

and Jones passed him, and Harvey remained close behind him, and at the corner of Church Lane Harvey seized him by the collar from behind and pulled him backwards and bent his knee in the small part of his back, and Jones and the prisoner ran up to him in front with their heads in a stooping position, struck him with their heads, and doubled him up—he fainted and fell in the gutter—they apparently got something from his waistcoat, but it was an almost momentary affair—they all three ran down Church Lane together—I followed Harvey and took him, 36 H took Jones, and the prisoner escaped—Harvey and Jones were tried at Middlesex Sessions.

Cross-examined. I knew you, but you left you lodging—we kept observation on it till you were taken—I was two months looking for you—I did not see you again till you were taken—I did not take you—I have known you four or five years, but lost sight of you at times.

WILLIAM THICK (Police Sergeant X). On 10th October I took the prisoner in Brick Lane, Spitalfields—I said "I shall arrest you for being concerned with Jones and Harvey in assaulting and robbing a gentleman on 9th August"—he said "I never touched him"—I took him to the station, and the prosecutor identified him, and he made no reply to the charge.

Cross-examined. I did not see you the night before I arrested you—two of us were together, and as you knew me, I sent the other officer round the other way—no one pointed you out to the prosecutor.

Prisoner's Defence. I know nothing about it; every word they say is false. I should like to see the other two prisoners. The prosecutor has never seen me in his life.

GUILTY . He was further charged with a previous conviction at the Mansion House in February, 1882, to which he

PLEADED GUILTY**.— Eight Years' Penal Servitude.

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54. JOHN BARRY (18) , Robbery with violence, with others, on Henry Lewis Scott Stokes, and stealing a watch, a chain, and a locket, his property.

MR. A. METCALFE Prosecuted.

HENRY LEWIS SCOTT STOKES . I am an engineer, of 34, Henrietta Street, Covent Garden, when I am in London—on 29th October, half an hour after midnight, I was going home, and was putting the latch-key into my door, when I felt a sensation of suffocation, but saw no one—I think the first man who took hold of me must have put his hand between my collar and my neck—I fell, and I believe I received a blow on the temple, at the side of my face—I was sensible, but dazed—I got up at once and saw three men running away—I missed my chain and locket, which were safe before, and my coat and waistcoat were open—I followed, crying "Stop thief!"—they were the only men in the street—I did not catch them, but I believe the prisoner is one—a quarter of an hour after the first blow I saw the prisoner in custody.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I had a big red mark—you seem about about the build of one of the men.

JOHN SMITH . I work in Covent Garden Market—on 29th October, at 12.30, I heard a shout in Henrietta Street; I saw three men making off and the prosecutor on the ground, near No. 34—he got up and ran after them—they were 10 yards from him, and only those four persons were in the street—they ran, and I followed the prisoner through Bedford Court till he came to the hospital, where a cab was standing; he ran round the cab

and across the Strand, and down a narrow lane, where I caught him—I kept a close to him all the way, and never lost sight of him—he had a stick in his a hand, which he dropped as we took him to the station.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You did not stop till I got hold of you a—you said "What are you taking hold of me for?"

JEREMIAH PHILLIPS (Policeman E 415). I was on duty in Bedfordbury a—at 12.30 I heard footsteps and saw the prisoner in Bedford Court, a followed by Smith—I kept him in view till he was taken in York Buildings, a he ran twice round a cab—I did lose sight of him for a second turning the a corner of the Strand, but I was only four yards behind him—Smith took a him and gave him into my custody—I took him to the station—he said in a answer to the inspector that he heard some one crying "Stop thief!" and a ran.

The prisoner in his statement before the Magistrate and in his defence said a that he ran because he heard a cry of "Stop thief!" and that the prosecutor a said to him, "If you tell me where the man is I will give you the value of a the chain and let you go."

GUILTY . He was further charged with a summary conviction at South-work of stealing 1s. 6d. from the person, to which he PLEADED GUILTY.— Five Years Penal Servitude. The Court directed a reward of 2l. to be given a to the witness Smith.

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55. WILLIAM TAYLOR (19), STANLEY BULLOCK (17), WILLIAM JONES (18), and ALFRED REYNOLDS (17) , Robbery with violence on Daniel Robinson, and stealing from his person—l., his money. MR. AUSTIN METCALFE Prosecuted; MR. FRITH defended Reynolds.

DANIEL ROBINSON . I am a foreigner, and am a tailor, of 3, John Street, a Holborn—on 14th October, at midnight, I was tipsy in Cranbourne Street, and was going to call a cab to go home—the prisoner Taylor came up and said "If you don't mind I will see you home;" I said "Thank you, it is a very kind of you, but I know my way home myself," and walked on to St. Martin's Lane to get another cab, but Taylor came up again and said "It is no good looking for a cab, you won't get it; if you don't mind I will see you straight home"—I kept on walking—we crossed St. Martin's Lane by Seven Dials, and he took hold of my arm—I told him my address; he said "I know where you live"—before we crossed Endell Street I saw three or four young men coming towards us, kicking up a horrible row—I cannot recognise them—I felt a blow under my left ear and fell—I do not know who gave it me—I felt a hand in my pocket and screamed" For God's sake, what do you want of me, I have got nothing"—my recollection is that I had a sovereign, 15s. in silver, some tobacco, and some cigarette paper, and five tickets of the Amalgamated Watch Company for payments to the club—they were in a purse—a constable took Taylor.

PHILIP FARDY (Policeman E 97). On 15th October, about 12. 10, I was on duty in plain clothes at the corner of Cranbourne Street and Long Acre, and saw Robinson, who was the worse for liquor, arm-in-arm with Taylor walking up St. Martin's Lane, and four others walking about 10 yards behind them—knowing Taylor I followed them, and heard Taylor ask Robinson to go down Queen Street; he refused, and called a cab-Taylor said "Don't get into the cab, I will see you home," and they walked home to the corner of Neal Street, stopped there three or four minute, the

others standing a short distance off—they then walked to Broad Street, and to the corner of Endell Street—Jones, Bullock, and Reynolds then rushed up in front, and Jones struck Robinson on the left side of his head, knocking him down—Bullock then put his hand into his right trousers pocket, drew it out, and put it into his own pocket—Jones put his hand into Robinson's right trousers pocket—I could not see whether he or Reynolds took anything out, but Reynolds felt the prosecutor's coat pockets with both hands—I was 10 or 15 yards from them—I also saw Taylor put his hand into Robinson's left pocket when he was on the ground—Taylor walked away towards Seven Dials, and the other four ran—I took Taylor, and Robinson said "That is one of the men who robbed me"—I took him to the station, and found 1l. in gold, 5s. 6d. in silver, and 5 1/2 d. in bronze in his left trousers pocket, which was the pocket he put his hand into after putting it in Robinson's pocket—I knew Taylor, and was sometimes 10 yards from him—I have no doubt of his identity—I am also positive of Bullock and Reynolds—I have known Reynolds four years as a companion of Taylor and the others—I have known Taylor six years, and am certain he was one of them—on the 17th I saw Bullock drinking ginger beer in Great White Lion Street—I told him the charge; he said "You have made a mistake"—I took him to the station, and he said "I think you have made a mistake, it was not me"—I was present when Payne took Jones, Payne was with me—I described Reynolds to Berry.

Cross-examined by Bullock, I could not take you when you put your hand in the man's pocket, as I took Taylor at the time.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. I made this memorandum on the day the prisoners were committed, 21st October, that was two days after—this is my signature to my deposition; it is incorrect—I did not say "The prisoner, the prosecutor, and some other lads walked on to Endell Street, and two of the lads ran against the prosecutor and knocked him down "—it true they ran against him; I cannot say whether that knocked him down—four ran against him—two came from the opposite side—I did not say that any one rifled his left coat pocket—I wrote this memorandum after I gave my evidence—I gave a description to Berry on the 16th—I am not aware that Reynolds was not arrested till the 24th—Reynolds only was before the Magistrate on the 26th.

JOSEPH PAYNE (Policeman E 224).I was with Pardy in Cranbourne Street, and saw Robinson and Taylor walking arm-in-arm, and four men walking behind them—Jones, Bullock, and Reynolds were three of them—I knew all the lot, and followed them to Seven Dials, where a cab came up; they stopped a few moments, it went away, and they went down Great St Andrews Street, stopped there a little while, and then walked to the Oporto Stores, Broad Street—Taylor then struck Robinson on his breast, and Jones struck him on the side of his head and knocked him down, and Jones and Taylor bent over him; the others were close by his side—I was about 20 yards off, farther off than Pardy—they got up and ran away, and Taylor walked away—we picked Robinson up; he said "I have been robbed, and lost all my money"—on the 18th I saw Jones in a. fish shop in Queen Street, told him the charge, took him to the station, and he was charged with Taylor and Bullock, who were in custody.

Cross-examined by Bullock. I saw you leaning over Robinson and moving your right hand, and I fancy you put it in his pocket—you ran too

quick for me to take you, but I knew I could have you another time—I have seen you on the Dials many a time.

CHARLES BERRY (Police Sergeant E).I received a description, and took Reynolds on 24th October in Waterloo Road—I told him the charge; he said "I know nothing about it"—he was placed with seven other lads at the station, and Pardy picked him out; he was afterwards placed with five other lads, and picked out by Payne—when he was charged he said "I can prove I was in bed at the time. "

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. The seven other lads were dressed very similar, and about his own age and height—some were fair and some dark—one of the constables gave me a name as well as a description.

The Prisoners' Statements before the Magistrate. Bullock says: " I was up at the Metropolitan Music Hall from 7 to 11. I had supper, and was in bed by 11.30 p.m." Jones says:"I was drinking at a public-house from 9 to 12. I went home, and went to bed." Reynolds says: "I was in bed when this happened, and I have witnesses to prove it." Taylor's Defence. I know nothing about it.

Bullock's Defence. Don't you think if he saw me put my hand in the presecutor's pocket, he would have taken me in custody 1 and he saw me the Sunday after and did not take me I was in bed when it happened.

Jones's Defence. I was in a public-house playing at cards till 1 o'clock, and then I went to bed.

Witnesses for Reynolds. SUSAN BIRMINGHAM. I am married, and live at No. 24 Dudley Street—Reynolds is my son by a former marriage—on 14th October he slept in my room—it was not 11 o'clock when he went to bed—I fix the time, as I went to the pawnbroker's with my daughter—when I came home he was in bed and asleep—he did not go out again till Sunday morning.

Cross-examined. I do not go to the pawnbroker's every Saturday—it is not an uncommon circumstance, but I remember that night, as I fetched the dress out of pledge which I wear now, and I had it when I went upand saw my boy in bed—I only have one room—the house is near Endell Street—I have never seen the other prisoners—my daughter is not here; she was here last week—she was not before the Magistrate—she is at work—her name is Elizabeth Harris—my husband is not here—he was not in the same bed as the prisoner, but opposite, in the same room—he went to bed at 10 o'clock—I fetched a pot of ale, and he drank some.

Re-examined. I have not been to the pawnbroker's on a Saturday since then—I went out at 11 o'clock for the ale, and the prisoner was in bed when I came back—my husband sat up and had some ale, but the prisoner was asleep—my daughter may have stopped a quarter of an hour.

By the COURT. This gown has been to the pawnshop hundreds of times, but it has not been there since—I went to bed before 12 o'clock—my son could not get out without my knowledge, as I fastened the door with a rasp, and in the morning I found it just as I left it.

JAMES BIRMINGHAM . I have not heard my wife's evidence—on 14th October I went to bed at 10 o'clock, when my wife came home from the pawnshop with my step-daughter—she woke me and asked me if I would have some drink—I said "Yes"—she fetched some ale, and I said "Is Alfred in?"—she said "Yes," and I looked and saw him in bed, and I fell asleep—my wife has not pawned her gown since, but she has been to the pawnbroker's

—I mean to say that my stepson was in at 10 o'clock on this night—he keeps proper hours—I have brought him up since he was three years old.

By the COURT. I am sure that was the night—my wife pawns every week—I don't think they take pledges in after 7 o'clock; but now there is a new Act, and you can take out till 11 o'clock—my stepson works with me—he was out when I went to bed.

GUILTY . BULLOCK, JONES, and REYNOLDS were further charged with former convictions of robbery from the person, to which they

PLEADED GUILTY.— Five Years' Penal Servitude each

OLD COURT.—Tuesday, November 28th, 1882.

Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.

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56. JOHN DILLON (22) , Robbery with violence on Joseph Cato, and stealing from his person 1s. 0s. 3d., his money.

MR. HICKS Prosecuted; MESSRS. THORNE COLE and BLACKWELL Defended

JOSEPH CATO (a black).I am a fireman on board ship, and am lodging at 28, West India Dock Road—on 22nd October, between 1 and 2 o'clock, I was in the Commercial Road and met the prisoner and three other men——the prisoner said to me "Sambo, where are you going to?"—I said "I am taking a walk, and am going to get a cup of coffee to drink"—he asked if I would give him a drink—I said "I have no money"—I have known him six months—he said "How can you get a cup of coffee yourself?"—I said "I have only a few halfpence," but I had 1l. 0s. 3d. in a purse, and 8d. in copper-loose—he knocked my pocket, heard the money jingle, and said "You liar!"—I said "I don't want any messing about," and was going off, but he hauled me back and struck me on the head with his fist—I then fired one at him—another man hit me on my cheek—I got stupid and giddy, and the prisoner tripped me up with his foot—I fell on my back, and the prisoner got me by my throat, and my purse went like lightning—he ran away—I saw a policeman coming, and said "Hold that fellow!" but he got away like a racehorse—I went to the police-station, and blood came from my ear—I gave information, and next day I went to the station, saw the prisoner with six others, pointed to him, and said "That is the man, John Dillon"—I had described him to the police—I was as sober as a judge—I have seen one of the other men since, but could not give him in custody, because after the fellow see me he sling his hook.

Cross-examined. I was fireman on board the Nith last April; since that I have been living on my mother—early in last year I charged a publican of Arbour Square with stealing my money—the case went to bash; the Magistrate discharged the man—there were two of them, and they got a lawyer—I only remember making two charges at any time—when I told the prisoner I had only a few halfpence, that was not true—I can bring the man who gave me the money; he lives at 9, Gresham Street—I have seen that man (Cockran) before—I did not borrow sixpence of him that night—I did not strike the prisoner; I wish I had—I tried to, because he struck me—I was excited when I got a blow on my ear—I was in a public-house three or four minutes, paid for half a pint of ale, and the woman gave me a threepenny bit—I drank with a lot of chaps that night—I drank fourpenny ale; I had no spirits—I only went into three public-houses—I did not take my coat off when I put my fist out.

Re-examined. My mother lives in Demerara, and sent me 30l. by Captain Ball of the El Dorado, who paid me at 9, Gresham Street.

EDWIN ADAMS (Police Sergeant H 20). On 22nd October I was on duty at Arbour Square, about 2.15a.m, when Cato came and complained of a man by name—I made a minute of the conversation on my books.

THOMAS NEWMAN (Police Inspector K). On 23rd October, from information I received, I stopped the prisoner at the corner of Ann Street, Commercial Road, about 3p.m.—I said "Are you Dillon?"—he said "Yes"—I said "You answer the description of one of four men wanted for highway robbery and assault on the morning of the 22nd instant, and you will have to go to Arbour Square with me"—I did not say who the man was—on the way to the station he said "I admit striking him," or "I struck him because he had a knife out; there were 20 others there "—I took him to Arbour Square—I only found three pennies on him.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. " I am innocent of the charge."

Witnesses for the Defence. JEREMIAH BYRON. On 22nd October, about a quarter to 1 a. m., I saw Cato in the Commercial Road; he asked me if I saw a constable; I said "Here are two coming along"—he went with the two, and they came up to me and said "Ain't you man enough for either of them "—another constable put his bull's-eye on and asked Cato if it was either of us—I was with four others who I work with at Ratcliff, I don't know their names—Cato had no coat or hat, only a Guernsey—I saw a crowd by the coffee-stall.

Cross-examined. I was not called at the police-court—I was not asked to give evidence till last Friday night—I first heard that Dillon was locked up on the Monday afterwards—I know him just by sight—he passed me—I did not see a knife in Cato's hand—about 50 people were at the coffee-stall.

PETER DYMES . I am a sawyer—I saw a crowd near this coffee-stall, and Cato in the middle of it with his coat off—I said "What's the matter, Sam?" he said "Oh, thank God I have got a friend at last, hold my coat," but I would not do so—his coat was in his hand—I did not see the prisoner—a lot of men in the crowd wanted to fight the black fellow—I saw nothing in Cato's hand, but I heard them say that he had a knife.

Cross-examined. This was between 12.30 and 1 o'clock—I saw Cato on Sunday morning with a lump over his eye.

JOHN COOKRAN . I am a sawyer, of 1, St. Ann's Road, Limehouse—on Saturday, 21st October, about 7.30 p.m., I heard a cousin of mine, Timothy Cocklin, ask Black Sam for 6d. that is the name I know Cato by, for half a pint of beer—he said "May I be struck deaf, dumb, and blind, I have no money only a penny, and am going to get half a pint of beer with it," and went into the Cape—no borrowing money took place between us.

Cross-examined. I did not see Dillon that night—I heard on the Tuesday that he was in trouble.

GUILTY . He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction at this Court in Sept., 1877, of robbery with violence.— Six Years' Penal Servitude.

Reference Number: t18821120-57

57. MARY ANN CLARIDGE (43) , Robbery with violence on Thomas Carney, and stealing 6s. and a foreign coin his property.

MR. DRUMMOND Prosecuted.

THOMAS CARNEY , I am a cab driver, of 12, Windsor Street, Islington—on 8th November, at 1 a.m in., I was in Colebrooke Bow, Islington, having put up my horse and cab, and had my horse-cloth on this arm as they were wet; it was raining very hard—I crossed the road, and the prisoner asked me the way to Macclesfield Street—I pointed with my whip and said "Down there, at the bottom of there you will find it"—it was very dark—she shoved her hand in my pocket, where I had 8s. 8d., and took out 6s. 8d. and a Japanese coin—I seized her hand and said "You have robbed me "—she said "Let go, you old b—"—a man and woman crossed the road, and the prisoner put her hand behind her and gave the money to the man, and then she struck me on my chest and knocked me down, and I have been laid up for six weeks—the man kicked me when I was on the ground and made a dent in my hat, which was on my head—I called "Police!" and a policeman came—I was perfectly sober.

Cross-examined. I did not put my hand on you and say "Are not you the woman who was riding in my cab just now?"—I never saw you in my life—I did not say "I drove you and your mate to the Duke of York public-house; your mate has robbed me of 60. and a foreign coin"—the money belonged to my master, and Mr. Barstow, the Magistrate, lent me the money to pay him—if the police had not come up I should have been killed—I have got the rheumatics in one arm.

JAMES HARRIS (Policeman N 573). On 8th November, about 1.30a.m., I was in Duncan Terrace, Islington, heard cries of "Police!" ran to Vincent Terrace, and saw Carney and the prisoner struggling together; he was holding her hand—he said "I have been robbed of my money and knocked down "—I took hold of the prisoner and she said "It is all false"—he was perfectly sober, but wet through and covered with dirt—I saw a man and woman in the distance walking away—I took the prisoner to the station.

Cross-examined. It was a young man I saw; he did not follow at my side to the station, but the female did.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I am as innocent as a child. "

Prisoner's Defence, I met this man with a rug on his arm; he put his hand on my shoulder and said "What have you done with your mate?" I said "What do you mean?" he said "You and she had a ride as far as the Duke of York, and took 60. from my pocket, and I shall lock you up for it" I said "Well, lock me up." He screamed "Police!" The police came, and he charged me then with robbing him on that spot, but said nothing about riding in the cab. He had two women in the cab with him, and he is a married man. I know nothing of riding in his cab or of robbing him. He said that he lost 6s., and now he says 6s. 8d.

GUILTY . She then

PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction at Worship Street in April, 1875.— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

NEW COURT.—Tuesday, November 28th, 1882.

Before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18821120-58

58. GEORGE JAMES KING (32) , Forging and uttering an order for payment of 21l. 17s. 6d. with intent to defraud.

MR. CHARLES MATHEWS Prosecuted; MR. BLACKWELL Defended.

JAMES EDWARD WEST . I am manager to Mr. Seth Taylor, a miller, carrying on business at Waterloo Flour Mills, Commercial Road, Lambeth—on the 1st June last the prisoner came to the mills and asked me if we had any empty bags for sale—I told him we had, and he then bought of me 3,000—they are Californian wheat bags, and they came to 21l. 17s. 6d.—I arranged for cash on delivery, and he was to fetch them the next day—I asked him where he came from, and he said "From Wright and Son, of the South-Eastern Railway Arch, Camberwell," or some place in the south-east of London—next day he came for the bags, and I gave instructions to our delivery clerk to make out a bill for them, and then I left them—I afterwards returned to them, on information which the delivery clerk gave me, and I took the prisoner to my employer, Mr. Taylor, and said he had brought a cheque for payment of the bags—I saw Mr. Taylor alone first, and I told him afterwards in the prisoner's presence that he had presented that cheque in payment of the bags—I asked him again whom he represented, and he said "Wright and Son, of the South-Eastern Railway Arches"—he said they had been established there for many years, and I think he said he had been in their service for 10 years—we told him that he was a stranger, and that we were not in the habit of taking cheques from strangers—eventually, on the strength of his representations, I allowed him to have the bags, and he took them away in the van—the cheque was paid in to Mr. Taylor's account, and returned marked "No account"—we have never received the money for the bags.

Cross-examined. I have no recollection of seeing the prisoner before—I only heard one day this week of proceedings being taken against another man on this same cheque in connection with this matter—I next saw the prisoner in the courtyard of the Thames Police-station—that was after the first remand about six weeks or two months ago—I saw him with another prisonor—I was told by a man that the prisoner had been charged, and I went down and identified him.

EDWARD STEVENS .I am a clerk in the employ of the Central Bank of London, Whitechapel branch—we have never had customers of the name of Wright and Son—this cheque was presented to our bank for payment about the date it bears—it was returned dishonoured—it was issued to Mr. Coombes, of Whitechapel, whose account had been closed about a year prior to October last.

CHARLES HENRY COOMBES . I am a waste-paper and general dealer, of Mile End—at one time I lived in Whitechapel, when I had an account at the Central Bank of London, which account had been closed some 12 or 18 months—when it was closed I had some unused cheques in my possession, which I destroyed—I remember losing my pocketbook on one occasion, in which I had two blank cheques similar to this.

JAMES HOWLETT (Detective). I have made inquiries in this case, and have gone, amongst other places, to the Railway Arches of the South-Eastern Railway, situated in the south-east of London, Camberwell, and elsewhere, and also the Estate Offices of the South-Eastern Railway—I have not been able to discover such a firm as Joseph Wright and Son, or any person owning such premises.

Cross-examined. I did not satisfy myself by going to the Arches, but I went to the railway company, and they can tell every tenant they have—I do not know that they can tell every sub-tenant.

JOHN SAUNDERS . I am a sack and bag merchant, in partnership with William Bennett, carrying on business at Anchor Cottage, Mill Street, Old Kent Road—on the 21st June last the prisoner came to my place and said he had an order for two tons of bags—I showed him some we had in stock, and he agreed to buy two tons at 11l. per ton—they were to go to Baldwin's, Arnold Road, Bow, and were to be ready the next day at two o'clock—I said "I cannot take the two tons in my van"—I was to have cash on delivery—the prisoner came the next day at 4 o'clock with another van, which was loaded—I went on with my van to deliver goods elsewhere, and they came up and caught me in Dover Road—we went to Baldwin's, Arnold Road, Bow, where the goods were delivered and the weights were found to be correct—the prisoner came out of the office with a cheque for 26l. 2s. 6d. (produced)—I said "Our agreement was cash"—he said "You cannot have anything better than an open cheque on the firm"—the actual amount for the two tons was 24l. 18s. 9d.—I took the cheque, believing what he said, and gave him the difference (1l. 3s. 9d.)—it was presented next day and returned as having no account—I did not see anything more of the prisoner then—I saw my goods next morning at Mr. Johnson's, Mile End Road—I saw the prisoner about October in Osborn Street,-Whitechapel—I asked him what he had been doing about the cheque, and he said "I was mistaken"—I had already spoken to a policeman, and I charged him at once—on the way to the station he said "It will do you no good to charge me; I have a wile and two children. If you will come to my house I will give you 20l. It is very nearly 30l., is it not? I will guarantee the rest in a month"—I said it was too late and I wanted justice.

Cross-examined. He was brought up at the Thames Police-court next day—I am quite sure the prisoner is the man—I have thought somebody else was the man—that was coming down Waterloo Road on the Saturday—I do not know the date—I did not give him in charge—I cannot say what his name was—I saw him at Kennington Police-station in custody, and he looked very much like the prisoner, and he said the inspector of the railway knew him very well—I fetched my father and Mr. Lucas, and they said he was not the man, and I apologised and said I was very sorry—then I met the prisoner, and without hesitation charged him. Re-examined. I have no doubt about the prisoner.

JOHN JOSEPH BALDWIN . I am a rope, canvas bag, and general merchant, of Arnold Road, Bow—this cheque is not in my handwriting, and I had no account at the Central Bank of London on 22nd June this year—I did not give the prisoner any authority to sign my name.

Cross-examined. I do not know the prisoner—the party I paid the money to was very much like the prisoner—I cannot say whether it was the same.

EDWARD STEVENS (Re-examined). We had no customer at our bank named James Baldwin—on 22nd June last this cheque was presented at our bank, and returned, marked "No account."

JAMES LUNN . I carry on business as a bag manufacturer at 9, Roupell Street—on 22nd June last the prisoner came to my place, and asked if I had got any bags for sale; I said "Yes"—he said "Can I see them?" I took him through, and showed him the bags—he did not say from whom he came at that time—he asked how many there were; I said I did not know exactly, but would soon count them and let him know—there were

38 1/2 dozen large bags at 4s. 3d. and 23 dozen at 3s. 3d., making 11l. 18s. 4d.—he asked me when he could have them; I said "When you please"—he said "I will fetch them to-morrow"—I asked him his name; he said his name was Jones, and that he travelled for Wright and Son, of Jubilee Street, Whitechapel—I said I should want the money when he took the bags away—the next day he brought a van about 1 o'clock—there was a man in the van, and we counted the bags into the van, and they amounted to the same as the day before—the prisoner tendered me a cheque in payment, which is dated the 8th July, payable to my order, for 11l. 18s. 4d., Joseph Wright and Son—I eventually paid the cheque through a friend's account for collection—it came back to me, marked "No account"—I went to Jubilee Street, but could not find any such persons as Wright and Son—I have seen the prisoner since the 8th July at the police-station—he was with seven or eight more when I picked him out—I had not had any communication with anybody before—I do not have many people come to my place—I deal by postcard and letter—I occasionally see customers—I cannot say how many I might see in the course of a week—perhaps for two or three weeks I might not see any one, and in two or three other weeks I might have two or three.

VALDIAL SMITH . I am in business with my father at Islington Green-on 8th August last I received from my father this card of Pattenden and Hicks; they are known to us by reputation—about 9th August the prisoner came, and gave the name of Ellis, stating he represented the firm of Pattenden and Hicks—I asked him if he had made the offer on the card, "I offer you, for Pattenden and Hicks, 3s. per dozen for your sacks. G. Ellis"—he said he had made that offer—the number of sacks spoken of was 800—he tendered me this cheque for 11l. 13s. upon the City Bank, Aldgate Branch, purporting to be signed by Pattenden and Hicks—we had no hesitation in taking the cheque—I asked him if he had a van with him; he said a van was outside, but he had only one man, and he would take it as a favour if I would let one of my men put them in the van, and as he had an appointment he would go—my man helped to put them in the van, and they were taken away—I never afterwards saw them—I noticed that a "t" was omitted in "Pattenden," and that excited my suspicions, and I went to Pattenden and Hicks to ask if it were their signature—I was too late, and I wrote to them so that they should get the letter the first post in the morning—I took the cheque down to the Bank, and payment was refused.

Cross-examined. I rarely see any of our customers—I see them by appointment—I did not see the prisoner from about 8th August to 12th October—I received information that a man answering the description of the person wanted was in charge for a similar offence—I went to the Thames Police-station, where the prisoner was produced with one or two other men—his appearance was somewhat altered from when I saw him—I said "I am not quite sure about it"—when he got into the police-court and took off his hat there was no mistake.

WILLIAM B PATTENDEN . I am a member of the firm of Pattenden and Hicks, sack makers, Bermondsey Street—I have no knowledge, of the prisoner, and have never sold him any sacks—the signature of this cheque is not in my handwriting, or in that of any member of my firm, and he

was not authorised to write the name—I have no account at the City Bank, and have no traveller named Lewis. CHARLES THORPE. I am a cashier at the City Bank, Aldgate branch—I there is no firm of the name of Joseph Wright and Son having an account I at our bank, nor Messrs. Pattenden and Hicks—these two cheques were presented at various times, and were returned unpaid—they were issued to a Mr. Edmund Martin, who has an account at our bank. EDMUND MARTIN. I carry on business at 78 and 109, New Road, Whitechapel, and have an account at the City Bank—I have no knowledge of the prisoner or of the firm of Joseph Wright and Son—a little time back I lost my pocket-book containing such cheques as these.

JAMES HOWLETT (Re-examined). I have been to Jubilee Street and made inquiries, and could find no such persons as Joseph Wright and Son—I went to the station on the 10th October, and had some conversation with the prisoner, who was at that time charged by the witness Saunders—I received a telegram from Saunders to come to Worship Street—as soon as I saw him there I told him he would be charged with uttering a cheque for 26l. odd—he said Saunders had made a mistake—Saunders said "You are the man, and you will have to go with me"—I then said "I have shown the cheque to Mr. James Baldwin, and he says the signature is a forgery, and he paid you in cash"—the prisoner said "Did he? that will have to be proved"—I asked Mr. Baldwin the question about the cheque, and he said that the signature to the cheque was a forgery, and Mr. Charles Baldwin said he paid the prisoner in cash—it was the brother who said that he paid in cash.

GUILTY .— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

THIRD COURT.—Tuesday, November 28th, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

Reference Number: t18821120-59

59. ISABELLA MARTIN (27), MATILDA BIGGS (29), WILLIAM CHARLES PATTEN (29), and CHARLES KITCHING (42) , Stealing a metal tray and other goods of the value of 100l. of Robert Anderson, the master of Isabella Martin. Other Counts for receiving, to which PATTEN PLEADED GUILTY .

MESSRS. POLAND and MONTAGU WILLIAMS Prosecuted; MESSRS. GEOGHEGAN and MARRIOTT defended Kitching, and MR. THORNE COLE defended Biggs. ROBERT ANDERSON. I live at 39, Linden Gardens, Notting Hill, and am secretary to the Prison Commissioners engaged at the Home Office—on 16th August I left town for my vacation—at that time Isabella Martin was my cook—I had received a good character with her, and she had been in my service four years; and, having my confidence, I left her in charge of the house and property—I had seen Patten once at my office—Martin had spoken to me about him, and asked me if I could get him some employment, and I got him employment as a warder at a prison—that was about 18 months ago—he remained in that employment for three months—on Friday, 22nd (September, I wrote to Martin from Ireland to let her know I was going to return home on Monday, the 25th—before I started on the 25th I received a telegram, which I have lost—it was from Martin, informing me that the house had been broken open on the Sunday night and property

stolen—I returned that night, arriving on Tuesday morning, the 26th—when I got into the house I saw the sideboard in the back room broken open; despatch boxes broken open and their contents scattered about; the wine cellar door was broken open, and about three dozen of wine gone—I missed a very large quantity of property; the value of it was more than 100l.—this (produced) is a list of the property I lost—on my arrival the condition of the principal rooms was such that no one could enter them without knowing at once that thieves had been at work—the cabinet doors were broken open and left open—in my wife's bedroom the doors were open and the drawers out—I spoke to Martin about it—she said "Everything was perfectly right when I left home on Sunday afternoon about 5.30 p.m.; when I came back about 9.30 the key would not open the door. I went for the gatekeeper, and he came and brought a policeman. Either the gatekeeper or the policeman, I won't be certain which, tried the door; and one or other of them, I won't be certain which, I think the gatekeeper, got over the area gate and found the scullery door open, which I had left locked"—on coming into the house she said she found things strewn about and doors and boxes broken, and in the pantry she found a jemmy, her sewing machine, an ulster, and a small salver, as though the thieves had been coming back again, was her suggestion—she gave me this letter (produced) and said she had written it on the Monday night; that the gatekeeper had promised to, call for it to post it, but had not done so. (Mr. Poland stated it was addressed by the prisoner to her mistress, and gave a detailed account of what happened on the Sunday night.)

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. When Patten came to me I did not know he was a police-officer—a man could not be a prison warder unless supposed to be a man of excellent character—it was not through my influence he obtained the situation—I directed him to the prison clerk, from whom he would get a form to make application—I did not become a reference for him—the knives that were stolen were ordinary dinner knives with ivory handles, on which was my crest, a tree—when I got the knives again the name was still on them; it was not obliterated.

GEORGE TINSLEY . I am gatekeeper at Linden Gardens, Kensington—on Sunday, 24th September, Martin sent a servant to me—I saw her about 30 yards from the door, about 25 minutes to 10—I had seen her before, and knew her—she said "I can't open my door"—I said "That is rather curious, did you come out the front way?" she said "I did," and she then gave me the key, and I tried the front door; I turned the lock, but could not open the door—I asked her whether the area gate was locked; she said "Yes," and I got over the area railings—the area door was closed, but not locked or bolted—I turned the handle, and pushed it open—I went back the same way, and told her to stop there while I fetched a constable—I came back in about 10 minutes or a quarter of an hour—Martin was outside the front door—I put the key in the front door again, undid the lock, and pushed it, and it opened—I could not tell what prevented it from opening before—I and the constable went into the drawing-room and downstairs into the dining-room—the furniture was covered over with paper; the paper had been moved—the back door downstairs, which I had been to, was open and on the jar; the iron bar at that door was not fastened, so that the door could be opened—I said to Martin "Did you fasten this door?" she said "I did"—I said "You see it is open now?" she said

"Yes"—the rooms were all in confusion—when we came to the pantry she said "Oh"—there was a cruet stand laid on the lift—the door of the wine-cellar had been broken open—we there found this iron bar, which the constable took charge of—the constable examined the house further—I went on duty that night at 7—the other man goes on duty from 10 to 1 on Sundays, and I go on from 7 till 12; no one is on duty from 1 till 7 on Sundays—I walked round the Gardens about three times, and I saw the gas burning in the kitchen—I went round once as soon as I came on, and then about 8 or 8.30—I noticed all quiet as usual.

SAMUEL AVERY (Policeman X 174). On Sunday evening, 24th September, a little before 10, Tinsley called me, and I went to Mr. Anderson's house, and remained there until Inspector Maber came, about a quarter to 12—he carefully examined the premises, which were in the same state as when I got there.

THOMAS EDWARD MABER (Inspector X). At a quarter to 12 on Sunday night, 24th September, I went to the prosecutor's house—I examined the windows; they were all right—there were no signs of any of them having been forced—there were no marks on the doors of having been forced—on the outside of the door-post of the back kitchen door some of the wood was chopped off, apparently by some blunt instrument, and on the door itself were two marks of a chisel; they fitted this chisel (produced)—my impression is the door was never forced—if properly locked up there would be a bolt and lock and iron bar—there was no straining or damage to the lock or bar—I have been about 18 years in the force—in my judgment that door had not been forced from the outside; if it had been it would have started some of the bolts or the lock or bar or something—the marks on the doorpost appeared to have been chopped with the blunt end of this instrument—when I saw it the bar was down and the door open—I said to Martin "Did you properly secure the door? did you bolt it and bar it previous to going out?" she said "I did"—I said "It is to a certainty that they: did not get in this way;" she made no reply—I saw the cellar door broken open, and the state of the house—I looked at the other doors and windows; they were perfectly right; there were no marks on them.

Gross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. I came to the conclusion they did not come in by that door unless they came in by skeleton keys—I have often heard of skeleton keys and of pulling back the catch by putting a painter's knife between the sashes, and leaving no marks—because there were no marks it does not follow they did not break in.

Re-examined. I saw no marks or scratches—the windows were all fastened, and the catches all right—I examined the house to see.

THOMAS CAUDELL . I am assistant to Mr. Harrison, a pawnbroker, of 319, High Holborn—on 26th August last a plated biscuit-box was pledged with me for 10s. by Patten—on 9th September he made this declaration as to the loss of the ticket and removed it—it was a similar box to this—I could not identify it.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. I have seen hundreds of similar boxes—it was tarnished when it was brought to me—I think the value second-hand would be about 15s.

Re-examined, 15s. is its present value at an auction.

WILLIAM ASHFORD . I am assistant to Mr. Attenborough, pawnbroker, 193, Fleet Street—on 9th September this biscuit box (produced) was

pledged there in the name of John Browning, of 8, Cursitor Street, for 10s.—this is the ticket for it—to the best of my belief Kitching is the man who pawned it.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. This ticket is in my handwriting; I took it in myself—it is an ordinary thing for people to give wrong names—I asked him if it was his own property, and he said it was.

FRANK ALDOUS . I am a pawnbroker of 67, Berwick Street, Oxford Street—I produce a plated salver, pledged on 30th August for 25s. by Patten in the name of Jamieson.

ASHLEY SANDERS . I am assistant to Mr. Robinson, pawnbroker, of 316, Kennington Road—I produce a velvet coat and vest, pledged for 12s. on 2nd September in the name of Browning, 3, East Street, Walworth—I do not recollect the person who pawned it.

ELMORE THORN . I assist Mr. Archbut, pawnbroker, 201, "Westminster Bridge Road—I produce an ulster coat, pledged in September for 7s. in the name of Gore by Kitching.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. The ticket is in my handwriting—there are three assistants in the shop—I had not seen Kitching before—I next saw him in the dock at the police-station, and said I believed he was the man—I should not like to swear to him—our pawnshop is divided into compartments—it is rather dark; the gas was alight—I have some doubts as to the man, but he owned at the police-court he pledged it at our house. HENRY BROOKS. I am at Mr. Cloud's, pawnbroker, 207, High Holborn—I produce a clock pledged on 4th September for 10s. 6d. in the name of Gilling—I do not recollect by whom.

FREDERIC SHAW . I assist Messrs. Thomson and Bullwerley, pawnbrokers, at 67, Gray's Inn Road—I produce a tablecover and piece of wool work, pledged on 13th September in the name of Mrs. Mason for 12s. also, on 9th September, 12 curtains for 10s., and two sheets marked "R. Anderson, M 80" in the name of John Andrews; an ulster coat on 1st September in the name of John Browning for 12s.—I do not identify the persons pawning. HENRY TODD. I assist Mr. Jones, a pawnbroker, of 23, Exmouth Street—I produce 12 knives, pledged on 23rd September in the name of Ann Davis for 3. by Mrs. Davis.

Cross-examined by MR. MARRIOTT. I had seen Mrs. Davis frequently in my shop before, and I thought there was nothing remarkable in her pledging articles of this kind.

JOSEPH DEVLIN . I assist Mr. King, a pawnbroker, of 34, High Holborn—I produce a towel marked "A. Moore," pawned with other things on 6th October—I don't identify who brought them—this (produced) is the ticket, marked "H."

Cross-examined by MR. MARRIOTT. I don't recognise the person pawning—it was a female.

CHARLOTTE DAVIS . I am the wife of Joseph Davis, a printer—we live at 4, Wilmington Place, Clerkenwell—I have known Biggs for some years; she lived with her husband at 4, Featherstone Buildings—I was with Biggs in Guest's public-house in Holborn about six months ago—we saw Patten there—I did not know him before; we both spoke to him—about two months before I was before the Magistrate I saw Patten at Biggs's house—he said to her "Have you shown Lottie," meaning myself, "that table-cover t?"—I don't know what I said—he showed me this crimson table-cover,

which was taken out of a drawer by Mrs. Biggs and put into Patten's hands—a strip of black wool work was produced with it—some time after that Mrs. Biggs told me "Patten has been taken to the House of Detention. I have some property of his, which I shall have to make money of for him to take him in some dinner"—a day or two afterwards she gave me some needlework and a tablecover, and told me to pledge them at Thomson and Bullwerley's, in Gray's Inn Road, in the name of Mason—I did so and gave the money to Biggs—on 28th September she asked me to pledge 12 table knives, and I did so at Mr. Jones's, in Exmouth Street, for three shillings—I kept the ticket, and on the 29th, in consequence of something Biggs's father told me, I burnt it.

Cross-examined by MR. COLE. These are the knives I pledged for 3s.—I have known Mrs. Biggs and her husband for some years—he is a cabinet maker, a respectable working man, and she is a respectable woman; witnesses are here to give her a character—I and Mrs. Biggs had got to know Patten some six months ago as a policeman—I heard he was for years in the police force—he told me also he was a warder in the Holloway Prison—I had not the slightest idea these articles I pledged were stolen—the total amount of the things I pledged was 14s. 3d.—I know that Biggs did take food to the House of Detention; the proceeds of the pledgings were spent in that way—Gray's Inn Road is not far from where we live.

JOHN ISAACS . I am a fruiterer, of 14, Farringdon Road and 28, Holborn—I have known Kitching for six or seven years—about the early part of September he brought me 20 knives and two bottles of a dressing-case; he said he bought them at sale-rooms, and asked me to buy them—I gave him 18s. for them—a few days after he brought me this cruet-stand (produced), and I bought it for 9s.—he said he had bought that at the auction rooms—I subsequently handed them over to Inspector Andrews.

Cross-examined by MR. COLE. All the articles here to-day are commonly sold at Johnson's and the different public auction rooms in London.

Cross-examined by MR. MARRIOTT. There was nothing remarkable in a man in Kitching's position having them—I have often seen him at Auction rooms.

EMILY WHITE . I am a widow, and live at 17, East Street, Kennington Road—Patten came to lodge at my house on Monday, 28th August; he occupied the back parlour on the ground floor, and remained there till 9th September, I believe—I saw Kitching there twice; the last time was 2nd September, about 7 in the morning—Patten had not slept at home the night before—they brought some luggage in with them—the box in which Inspector Andrews found a collar and a pair of gloves was Patten's box—the chest of drawers in which Andrews found the ulster was in the other room, where I had moved them from Patten's room after he was arrested—on the morning of 2nd September Kitching and Patten had breakfast at my house—they had eggs and bacon; they gave me the money to get it—they went out after breakfast, and on their return ordered a fowl for dinner, and dined together—when they came in on the morning of the 2nd they brought among other things a hamper—I showed that to Inspector Andrews when he called.

WALTER ANDREWS (Police Inspector). I took Biggs into custody at 10 at night on 28th September at 4, Featherstone Buildings, Holborn—I said "I am Inspector Andrews, of Scotland Yard, and I am inquiring about a

larceny in which a friend of yours named Patten has been concerned. I think you have got some of the property, and I want it;" she said "I have not got any, do pray leave me till the morning"—I eventually said "I shall search your place"—I sent for a policeman, and did so—before I searched she said "I had some things. I pawned a dozen knives about a week ago at Jones's, in Exmouth Street, for 3s., and a table-cover at Bullwerley's, in the Gray's Inn Road, I received them from Patten; Patten gave them to me, and the money was expended for his food and so on at the time he was in prison"—I found a collar marked with the name of "Anderson" in the chest of drawers at Biggs's place—on the morning of 29th I took Martin into custody at 39, Linden Gardens—I said "I am going to arrest you for being concerned with persons named Biggs and Patten with stealing all the articles you have heard of;" she said "I know nothing about it, I have told you the truth and also Mr. Anderson"—that was referring to a conversation I had had with her on the 26th, when she said "I was left in charge of the house at the time my master and mistress were away; nobody came to see me, neither man nor woman. I went out on Sunday, 24th September, at about 5 o'clock in the afternoon, and walked in Hyde Park and Kensington Gardens, saw nobody to speak to, returned home at about 20 minutes to 10, and then found that the house had been broken open, and all the things that have been missed, stolen. Everything was perfectly safe when I went out. I examined every room in the house"—I said "Who are you acquainted with? Who is your sweetheart?" she said "I have none, but some time ago I was acquainted with a man named Patten, who had been a policeman, and was afterwards a warder; I have heard nothing about him for about a year," or "since the beginning of the year," I am not sure which she said; "I don't know anything about him since that time"—this was all said in the presence of her master and mistress—when I arrested her I said to her "I wish you would turn out your pockets"—she produced a purse, and in that I found this paper marked D; it bears this name in pencil, "Mr. Fitzgerald, Fulwood's Rents, Holborn"—it is a leaf from a pocket-book—I asked her some questions about it; she said "I know nothing about it; I don't know who Mr. Fitzgerald is; I don't know how that bit of paper came into my possession"—I made a note of what she said—on 6th October I saw Kitching in Holborn, and accosted him—I said "I am an inspector of police, and am going to arrest you for being concerned with Billy Patten in robbing the house of Mr. Anderson, Linden Gardens, since the 16th of last August, of property of about the value of 100.;" he said "I know nothing about it, I shall say nothing"—I handcuffed him, put him in a doorway, and searched him—I found on him this pocket-book; there was a leaf missing from it-the leaf found on Martin, and bearing the name of Fitzgerald, corresponds with the missing leaf—I searched Kitching's house at 8, Staple's Inn Buildings, and amongst other things I found in his room, and in the presence of his wife, this pawn ticket (H) for two petticoats and a towel.

Cross-examined by MR. COLE. The two or three articles in connection with Biggs were actually pawned by Mrs. Davis—I have made inquiries about Mrs. Biggs and her husband; they are respectable people.

Cross-examined by MR. MARRIOTT. Kitching gave his right address. WALTER HARVEY. I am a pawnbroker, at Lambeth Walk—I produce a clock pawned on 2nd September for 10s., in the name of Wilson, 22,

East Street—I could not swear to either of the prisoners as the person; to the best of my belief it was Kitching—this is the ticket.

Cross-examined by MR. MARRIOTT. I did not write the ticket; I took the clock in—I don't remember if I asked him any questions—he appeared a respectable man; I did not think it remarkable he should be in possession of a clock. ROBERT ANDERSON (Re-examined) I identify the different articles produced as my property—I had some things in my house that were marked "Masters. "

Bigg's statement before the Magistrate "I did not know it was stolen property. Mr. Patten told me it was his own property." MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS withdrew the case against

BIGGS.— NOT GUILTY .

Martin, in her defence, stated that on 24th August Patten asked her to go for a walk, and while out introduced her to Kitching; that she returned rather late at night, and the next day, when she looked over the house, she found the things had been stolen, and that for some days she did not like to say anything about it; and that she believed both Kitching and Patten had taken the things away from the house, but that she knew nothing of it.

MARTIN and KITCHING— GUILTY .

KITCHING then PLEADED GUILTY* to a conviction of felony in 1873.— Judgment respited.

Reference Number: t18821120-60

60. GEORGE ISRAEL JONES , Unlawfully obtaining the sum of 66l. from Alfred Abraham Moore, by false pretences.

MR. HORACE AVORY offered no evidence.

NOT GUILTY .

OLD COURT.—Wednesday, November 29th, 1882.

Before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18821120-61

61. PATRICK BEGLEY (23), DAVID CONNELL (30), JOHN KEEFE (21), MICHAEL BARRON (24), MARY ANN ODELL, MARY ODELL, CATHERINE ODELL, MARY HAYES, MARY KEEFE, DENNIS KEEFE, JOHANNAH KEEFE (50), NICHOLAS MOORE (23), and JOHN MALONEY, Unlawfully and riotously assembling together, to the number of 60 and more, and disturbing the peace of Her Majesty the Queen, and assaulting Cornelius Dulanty. Other Counts, charging different prisoners with assaulting and wounding other persons, and occasioning them actual bodily harm.

MR. CHARLES MATHEWS Prosecuted; MR. KEITH FRITH appeared for Begley, and MR. CRANSTOUN for Connell, Barron, Moore, Moloney, and the Keefes. MARGARET FITZGIBBON. I am the wife of Michael Fitzgibbon, of 7, Desborough Street-in September me and my father, Mr. James, were living at 34, Horace Street—we had lived at No. 11, opposite, and David Connell lived in the same house—John, Johannah, Margaret, and Dennis Keefe also lived in No. 34, and all the defendants except Barron and Begley lived in the same street—there was a wedding at Whitsuntide, after which there was a party, at which there was a row—none of the Keefes were there, nor was I there; Connell was there—from Whitsuntide down to September, on Saturday and Sunday evenings a mob used to assemble together and call out for people to fight—David Connell and

John Keefe were in the mob, but Keefe was not so bad as Connell—Maloney was often in it; he was the leader—on Sunday, 3rd September, I saw my husband and my brother, Thomas and Michael Fitzgibbon, in Horace Street, and I saw Connell, John Keefe, and Barron there—John Keefe and Connell are cousins—Barron, Connell, and Keefe came to the window, and Connell called out for my husband to come down and fight, and after a little time Keefe and Connell came into the street—I afterwards saw Barron with them; others then came on the scene—I saw John and Margaret Keefe, Mary Hayes, and Maloney—Begley stood there, but he was not joining in the riot—my husband and brother came up about 4.20—Connell was in his shirtsleeves, calling out to anybody who would come and fight them—Connell faced my husband, and hit him with his fist—John Keefe went up, and my brother pushed him away, and my husband hit him—my husband and Connell then fought, and my brother Thomas and John Keefe and a man named Fox; that lasted for 10 minutes or a quarter of an hour—the crowd pushed them, and my brother got away into No. 9—I came downstairs to my husband's assistance, and after some difficulty and struggle we got him into No. 34 with Begley's assistance—just as I did so my father came up the street, and Connell hit him on the side of his head with his fist and knocked him down, and kicked him in his side when he was down—the other people rushed towards my father and hustled him; there were fully 200 persons—I picked him up, and as I did so Johannah Keefe came out of the same house as I live in with a chopper in her hand, and handed it to her son John, who hit my father on the head with it while he was on the ground and I had half lifted him—I called out "You have killed him"—he went into No. 11 or 12 with the chopper—I called "Police!" and "Murder!"—Barron and Connell also ran into 11 or 12—there is one passage to both houses, and they ran into it—I saw Connell throw a stone into the mob, not at any one in particular, but one stone nearly hit Begley—my mother took charge of my father, and I went for the police—I pointed out 11 or 12 to them, and they got in at the parlour-window, because both doors were fastened, and arrested Connell, John Keefe, and Barron—this (produced) is the chopper my father was struck with—I have often seen it before—I saw Mrs. Connell in the fray; she was trying to take her husband out of it—I know Mary Hayes; she is John Keefe's young woman—after I had given my evidence before the Magistrate on 4th September I met the Keefes, and Johannah Keefe called me a perjurer, a false swear, and a policeman, and said that I should pay for it, and Mary Hayes called me names—on Friday, 15 th, Johannah Keefe and Hayes threw some water over me, and tore all my clothing off me as I was going upstairs—they used to wait for me when I went down to the yard to get water, and then set upon me—Dennis Keefe brought the tongs, waved them over my head several times, and told me he would do for me—a man named Dulanty was looking through the window, and Keefe asked me if I was looking for my b—witnesses, and he said he would not leave me able to go to the Court—I had eventually to leave Horace Street, the system of annoyance was so dreadful, and I had to get a constable to see me out of the street safely—Mary Hayes is a friend of mine; she attended my baby and fetched things for me.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. Mrs. Malone was not sober—she had a

piece of iron pipe in her hand, and I saw her go to strike Begley, but I don't know whether she hit him—I saw his hat fall off—he had not done anything to interfere with her—there was a considerable crowd when she rushed at him—there was a rush when she came to strike him with the pipe—Begley was on the ground at one time, and 20 or 30 people on him, perhaps even more than 50—they were dragging him—they were very violent and excited against him—he had done nothing to provoke them except pushing my husband, and he was rather desirous of preventing fighting than taking part in it.

Cross-examined by MR. CRANSTOUN. I saw Maloney; I did not see Moore—I have had differences with my neighbours—I have been summoned for assaulting people in the street—a woman who is here as a witness, Mrs. Griffiths, summoned me on this occasion—the Magistrate did not send me to prison for seven days or fine me 22s.—I was charged with stealing—I was supposed to have stolen potatoes, and was imprisoned two days—I am not continually squabbling with people in the street—I live with my husband—I have not suffered seven years' penal servitude for highway robbery—this wedding was on Whit Sunday—I did not get locked up that day—my husband and I did not assault Connell on that day, nor were we locked up that night—my husband and brother did not call Keefe names or use bad language—a great many people were at their doors and windows—I dare say there were 50 people in the street—my husband first went home and then came down in his shirt sleeves and came out again, and he and Connell struck one another—my brother did not tackle Connell at the same time—John Keefe faced Connell, and my brother merely pushed him—he did not take his belt off and strike him in the face—Connell never quarrelled with me previously—he had no grudge against my husband—he has known my husband only from Whitsuntide; neither has Barron—I always believed him. to be a peaceable man.

Cross-examined by Mary O'Dell. I did not abuse you or kick you, or have you down and take 9s. out of your purse.

Cross-examined by Hayes. You threw water over me—my mother did not bring me some water, nor did I throw it over you—my husband did not take off his belt to strike one of you—you took out a warrant against me—I was not bound over to keep the peace; the Magistrate discharged me and said he could not take your evidence.

Cross-examined by Mary Keefe. I took the chopper away from your mother, and threw it in at the window.

MICHAEL FITZGIBBON . I live with my wife at 7, Desborough Street—on 3rd September we lived in Horace Street, and at 3.30 that day I was at the top of the street and met my father—we walked down the street together, and saw Connell coming up the street in his shirt sleeves, with Barron and John Keefe, shouting for me to go and fight him—he made a crack at me, but I caught him, and then we had a fight—a lot came up—John Keefe attacked my brother-in-law—I fought six or seven rounds with Connell; we were then separated, and I was dragged into No. 9—before I got in I saw my father-in-law against his own door—I came out again to get my hat, and then saw my father-in-law lying on the ground at his own door—Mrs. Keefe came out with a chopper—I told her that if she used it I would shove her down on her back—she went in to No. 12, where her son and Connell were standing—there was a large crowd—I went indoors.

Cross-examined by MR. CRANSTOUN. I have been in a Court of Justice before—it was for a watch—it was not a highway robbery; no violence was used—I got seven years—I have also had 18 months for stealing lead—me, Connell, and two others were taken a little while ago for something like this—I have not been in an industrial or a reformatory school for five years—I did not say to Connell "You b—beast, are you as happy now as when you locked me and my wife up?"—I did not challenge him to fight or take my belt off—I did not strike Connell or Keefe in the face—I did not give Connell two black eyes, but I did my best to do so, and I dare say he did the same—I have no grudge against Barron; I never spoke to him before—he is a very peaceable chap as far as I know—I have had quarrels with Connell and the Keefes.

THOMAS FITZGIBBON . The last witness is my father-in-law—I live at 49, Brindley Street—I formerly lived in Horace Street—on 3rd September I came up to my brother-in-law as he stood at the top of Horace Street—we came down the street together—a young man named Dougherty came up, and was challenging people to fight; he was the worse for liquorMrs. Keefe, Hayes, Miss Keefe, and a young woman who is at the back, O'Dell, I think her name is, were there—I did not see Dennis Keefe—Connell said to my brother-in-law "Come on, you are the one I want; we will settle this"—they had a fight—I saw Keefe going to hit my brother-in-law, and I said "Let them settle it by themselves"—he said "I will not," and made a blow at me, and I made another at him—the fight lasted a long time, and eventually I was shoved into No. 9—I did not see my father-in-law knocked down, but I saw him being taken away by the police smothered in blood—I was kicked in my left side once when I was standing and several times when I was on the ground—a man named Fox made a kick at me, but the crowd was so great I cannot say who kicked me.

Cross-examined by MR. CRANSTOUN. I am a teetotaler—sixteen or eighteen years ago I was charged with being drunk, and twice for throwing stones—I have never suffered four months' imprisonment—I was never accused of stealing potatoes or of unlawful possession of them—before the scuffle took place my brother-in-law told Connell to go away, he did not want anything to do with him—I saw no belts used till the scuffle commenced—my brother-in-law said "Go away, I don't want anything to do with you, but he faced him and sparred up to him, and they both struck one another—Keefe struck me on the shoulder and I struck him back—I was too much taken up with the man in front of me to see Barron.

JAMES FITZGIBBON . On Sunday, 3rd September, I lived at 11, Horace Street—there was a great row there, and as I went up to my door Connell struck me with his fist behind my head, knocked me down and kicked me—a lot of them kicked me when I was down and I became senseless—I saw Mrs. Keefe bring a chopper from her house; she gave it to Keefe, who struck me with it on my forehead, and I was hit again with' a piece of gas-pipe, but I cannot say who by—my forehead bled—I also saw Barron there, and Dennis Keefe—my daughter Margaret came to my assistance, and I was taken home, and then to a doctor, and next day I gave evidence at the police-court—I had to leave Horace Street afterwards because I was frightened to live there.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. I did not see Begley come to my assistance, but I saw him try to quell the row and put them indoors.

Cross-examined by MR. CRANSTOUN. There were nearly 100 people there—I was not senseless before I was knocked down—I said at the station" I cannot say whether Connell was my best friend and he done nothing," because I did not want to lock him up—I know no reason for his assaulting me—I have been locked up for seven days for assaulting Mary O'Dell, but I did not assault her; she threw me down and my thumb was put out; she was drunk—I only saw Barron throw a stone or a brick—he did not touch me.

CAROLINE FITZGIBBON . I am the wife of the last witness—on 3rd September I was going out of my house and saw Mrs. Keefe with a chopper like this in her hand—she gave it to her son John, who was in the passage between No. 11 and No. 12—I saw him raise it—he hit my husband, and when he was hit I called out "Murder"—I asked Begley to lift my husband up; he went towards him and was knocked down—I saw all the prisoners there except Mary Ann O'Dell and Dennis, Mary, and Margaret Keefe.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. I saw Mrs. Malone; she was the worse for liquor, and had a bit of iron pipe in her hand—she lifted her hand as if to hit Begley, when he was lifting my husband—I cannot say whether she struck him, so many got round, but he was knocked down, and they were dragging him when the police came.

FREDERICK BENJAMIN PRIME . I am a cheese-monger, of 7, John Street—on 3rd September I saw this row, there were 200 or 300 people—I saw Council challenging different people to fight—I saw old Mr. Fitzgibbon fall; it was a regular riot—I saw John and Mrs. Keefe there—I saw no chopper.

FRANCES WILSON . I live with my. husband in Horace Street—I saw fighting, and saw the old man fall—Mrs. Keefe came out of her house with something under her apron, crossed over the road, and passed it to somebody in the crowd—I saw the old man lifted up, he was bleeding—after that I saw old Dennis Keefe there, Mrs. Keefe's husband, he was not in the crowd, he was in the "Bay" we generally call it; in the street.

Cross-examined by MR. CRANSTOUN. I was at the first floor window, about 70 feet from the scene of the assault—there were about 50 people there—Mr. and Mrs. Keefe and Fitzgibbon were the only persons I noticed.

CORNELIUS DULANTY . I live at 10, Horace Street, Lisson Grove, and know all the defendants; they all live in that neighbourhood, I believe, except Barron—on 3rd September about 3. 45 I was at the top of the street and saw Connell, John Keefe, and two men named Fox and Bryan—Connell went up to Bryan and said "You b—y bark" meaning an Irishman, "you were one of them that were down the street the Sunday I was locked up," and made a blow at Bryan and a blow at me, and cut me on the side of my face; I got back and he made three or four more rushes at me; Doherty came up and the police came, and Connell and the other men went down the street—I remained there a quarter of an hour and saw young Fitzgibbon—I saw Connell and Keefe at the second-floor window shouting and challenging men to fight—I saw Margaret Fitzgibbon—Keefe said he would kick her b——y guts out, and then the window was shut down and I went up the street again, and a large crowd had collected—Connell and John Keefe came down the street to where the two young Fitzgibbons were, and about 40 people followed them—Connell whispered something to the men behind him, and then he and Keefe

attacked the two Fitzgibbons—I saw Fox make a kick at the younger Fitzgibbon, and said, "Let the men have fair play, don't kill them "—I was then surrounded and received three or four blows with a belt on the side of my head and nose—Fox had no belt, but three or four belts were used—Margaret Fitzgibbon then appeared and tried to get her husband towards the door—I got out of the crowd as quick as I could and went to my uncle's house, where I could see the crowd from the window; they were forcing the young Fitzgibbon into the doorway of No. 34—I then saw James Fitzgibbon, the father, pulled through the crowd into the middle of the road, where Connell struck him on the side of his face and knocked him down and the crowd got round him—I saw blood on his face—I saw Keefe close by—some persons made for Nos. 11 and 12; Connell lives at No. 11 on the top floor—I saw the police take Barron from that house—I saw Maloney in the street after Connell struck me; he is a friend of Connell, and goes about with him—I had not seen the rows on the previous Saturdays and Sundays—on 15th September, about 9.30 p.m., I heard a disturbance outside my house—I looked out and saw Margaret Fitzgibbon and Dennis Keefe standing there, saying something about going to the police-court, and that he would knock her b—y head off he went into the passage, came out with a pair of tongs, held them over her head, and said he would knock her b—y head off if she went to the Court—I was at the police-court on 26th September but was not examined till October 10, after which I was coming along Crawford Street about 6 p.m., and passed Maloney and four or five others, and when I got to the corner of Homer Bow, three or four other men were standing there, and Maloney came behind me, caught me by my coat collar, and said, "I want you, come round the corner"—I asked what he wanted me for, lie said "You have been saying something lately"—I asked him to tell me, he refused—J would not go round the corner; the others came up and Moore with them—they all got round me and Maloney tried to shove my head through a public-house window; I saved myself, and the others got round me, and Maloney struck me in my chest; the others came behind me, caught hold of my heels, and I fell in the road; Maloney then kicked me on my mouth and on the side of my head, and the others kicked me on my left side—I became insensible and remember nothing more.

Cross-examined by MR. FEITH. I saw Bridget Malone in the street, I saw nothing in her hand because I was at a little distance looking out at a window, but she may have had—she did not appear drunk—I saw Begley cross the road towards her, but I did not see him knocked down.

Cross-examined by MR. CRANSTOUN. I have never assaulted Maloney or insulted his sister—he did not say that having insulted his sister he would give me a licking—I never made a suggestion to her which she spurned—she never accused me of trying to assault her—I was accused before a Magistrate of insulting a girl, but she was not his sister—the Magistrate discharged me—I saw no chopper—I did not see Barron take any active part in it—there were about one hundred people there—I did not see Moore.

Cross-examined by Johannah Keefe I have seen you throw water over Fitzgibbon.

CLARENCE O'BRIEN . I was with Dulanty, and saw Connell and John Keefe strike him in the face.

BRIDGET MALONE .I live at 11, Horace Street—I was at my door on 3rd September, and saw Begley not far from me—I told him to go home out of the row, and he hit me with a peice of gaspipe near my temple—I had never seen him before.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. This was Sunday; I was not looked up that evening—I was on Monday evening for being drunk and disorderly I suppose—I went to prison for seven days, and was fined 7s. 6d. altogether—I have a witness to the assault outside—I never had any quarrel with the Fitzgibbon—when Begley went to pick old Fitzgibbons up I did not strike him with a piece of gaspipe, I did not have it in my hand—I did not know that Begley was Knocked down; he and I were taken away together, and I saw no more.

Re-examined. I was not drunk on the Sunday.

HENRY JENKINS (Policeman D 294). On 3rd September, about 3 p.m., I was called to Horace Street, the crowd dispersed at the sight of me—a turnip was thrown, which hit a boy in the eye—I saw Begley standing in a doorway three parts down the street in the "Bay," and advised him to go away—he said "I shall not, I am not going to get knocked about for nothing"—I went on a third occasion, when there was a large disorderly crowd, and a very extensive fight—I saw Bridget Malone bleeding from her eye very much—she made a statement to me in consequence of which I took Begley, and as I took him away a glass ginger-beer or soda-water bottle was thrown at me, it broke against the station wall.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. I cannot say whether it was thrown at me or Begley—when I first saw Begley a row was going on a little farther away, and he was not then taking part in it, but the last time I went down I saw him struggling on the ground with two women who I do not know; they rolled over and Over one another—Mrs. Malone was standing up close by with this piece of gaspipe (produced) in her hand, and said, "I will give this man in custody for striking me in the eye with this"—I never saw Begley strike a blow.

DAVID WEST (Policeman D 160). On 3rd December, about 4.45, I heard cries of murder at Molyneux Station—I went to Horace Street, and saw 200 or 300 people, who seemed in a state of riot—I saw Keefe and Barron go into No. 11—I saw old Fitzgibbon bleeding profusely from his head—his daughter Margaret spoke to me, and I forced the door of No. 11, went into the back yard, but found no one—I then went to No. 12, got in through the parlour window, and in the top room found John Keefe, Connell, and Barron—I took Connell and other constables took the others—Mrs. Fitzgibbon pointed to Keefe and Connell, and said, "They are the two who assaulted my father"—they made no answer.

Cross-examined by MR. CRANSTOUN. I saw Fitzgibbon at the station—he said that Connell was one of his best friends—he did not mention the others—he was bleeding very much, and was partially insensible.

GEORGE COOK (Policeman G 291). I was with West, and saw Connell, Keefe, and Barron run into the passage of Nos. 11 and 12—I took Keefe, and Mrs. Fitzgibbon said that he was the man who assaulted her father with a chopper—he said nothing—I found this chopper in the passage of No. 11, close to the door, and showed it to her.

DANIEL SULLIVAN (Policeman D 49). I was at Molyneux Street Station in plain clothes on 3rd September, heard a row, looked over the wall, and saw several persons fighting—Begley was fighting with a man who I do

not recognise—he was shouting, and was in a very excited state; I heard him say "Good" as he was looking at the fight—I went to Horace street and saw Fitzgibbon, and the woman Malone bleeding—I assisted in entering No. 11 and No. 12 and took Barron; some one said that he had assaulted old Fitzgibbon—he made no answer—he was discharged at the station, as no evidence was forthcoming.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. Begley was about thirty yards from me—he was conspicuous by his height, but there was so much confusion it was difficult to keep my eyes fixed on one person.

Cross-examined by MR. CRANSTOUN. I saw Barron in the fringe of the crowd, not fighting—there were 150 or 200 people there—I charged him—persons said he was throwing stones—Fitzgibbon did not give him in custody—I know Barron as a very disorderly person—I have seen him convicted at Marlborough Street on several occasions of different offences—Fitzgibbon said at the station that he had fallen down, and that his injuries were not caused by Connell and Keefe.

THOMAS CHAULES KIRBY . I am divisional surgeon to the D division of police—on 3rd September, about 5.30 a.m. I was called to the police-station, and found the woman Malone bleeding from a wound on her eye, and another wound over her eye, done with some instrument with great force, and in a dangerous place—this piece of gas-pipe would do it.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. I think it would require more violence than a person coming in contact with it in a struggle, unless she fell on it with very great violence twice—a blunt edge caused it—a flint would cause an incised wound—it cut down nearly to the bone, and cut a small vessel—if it was a stroke with this edge it would have been a cut and a contusion as well—it was not a contused wound; it was incised, but the edges were rugged, and there was a bruise round it.

By the COURT. I have heard Mrs. Malone's evidence—what I saw was consistent with her evidence.

JAMES MORGAN . I am a surgeon, of 15, John Street—on 4th September, at 10 a.m., Fitzgibbon was brought to my surgery with an incised wound on his temple, and a contused wound on the back of his head—this chopper would cause the incised wound, and the back of it or some blunt instrument or a kick would cause the contused wound—James Fitzgibbon's evidence is consistent with this chopper being used.

Cross-examined by MR. CRANSTOUN. The sharp edge of a stone might have caused the incised wound.

MARY NORMAN . I live at 6, Burwood Mews, Marylebone, and am single—Margaret Fitzgibbon was a friend of mine in September last, and I minded her baby while she went to the police-court to give evidence in this case—I lived at that time at 11, Homer Street—I remember her moving from Homer Street on 17th September; I carried her baby, and as I returned several people were waiting against my door—I was frightened, and waited some time, and afterwards got home by climbing over the walls of No. 9 and No. 10—when I got in Mrs. Connell said that I was coming, and on that Margaret Keefe struck me in the passage of No. 11—Catherine O'Dell and Mary Hayes were with her—they knocked me down and kicked me, and took me between them into No. 34, and kicked me there, and Mary O'Dell put her fist to my face, and threatened to scald me with boiling water—Margaret Keefe's father took her indoors when I went to the station, and said, "You have given her enough, you

can give her more another time"—they then went to their rooms—my face bled, and they kicked my body—Mary Ann O'Dell is Mary's daughter—I saw Mary in the room and Mary Ann in the passage.

Cross-examined by Hayes. You were all in the passage waiting for me—you were told I was coming—I did not spit at any of you.

Cross-examined by Margaret Keefe You all kicked me—I was not drunk—I did not have a fair fight—ever since you have been out on bail you have threatened me.

ELLEN HAGAN . I am single and live at 36, Horace Street—on 17th September I saw Mary Norman assaulted by Margaret Keefe, Mary Hayes, and Mary Ann O'Dell—they brought her from No. 11, three doors off—Margaret Keefe had her by the hair of her head, and the other two were round her; they both hit her and kicked her—I stood by; I did not interfere because I thought I should be done the same—Mary O'Dell, the mother, was there, and she sent Kate O'Dell for a kettle of boiling water, but it was not brought—Norman got up after a bit, and went away and brought two policemen—she was bleeding from the mouth—Mrs. O'Dell told the policeman that Norman did not live there, that she was always in passages, and her home was at 6, Burwood Mews; she was lodging at No. 11.

KATE WALLIS . I am single and live at 9, Horace Street—I went to the door of the house where Norman lived, and there were three women in the passage, and they rushed at her and brought her out into the street—I said what a cowardly thing for three to attack one—Margaret Hayes struck her—her father came and took her away.

DAVID SWEENEY . I live at 39, Newland Street, Marylebone—on 10th October, a little before 6 o'clock in the evening, I was passing; along John Street—I saw Maloney striking Dulanty with his fist; he had his head under his arm; they moved out into the road, and there Dulanty fell and his head came against the kerb—while he was on the ground Maloney kicked him, I believe about the head, and he then ran away—I helped to pick Dulanty up; there was blood on his face; he was insensible.

Cross-examined by MR. CRANSTOUN. I came on the scene after it had been going on—I Know Riley—I did not ask him what had happened—they were pushing each other when I came up, fighting—I did not see Dulanty hit Maloney.

JAMES JEAL (Policeman D 234).I apprehended Moore on the afternoon of 21st Oct., at 12, Horace Street—I charged him on a warrant for being concerned with others in assaulting Dulanty—he said he was there but did not do anything.

CHARLES RIMMERS (Policeman D 288).I apprehended Maloney on 7th November, at 12, Horace Street, for assaulting Dulanty—he said "I will go with you; I was going to give myself up to-morrow."

THOMAS FITZGIBBON (Recalled by MR. FRITH). I saw Mrs. Malone; she was the first person that spoke to me when I went into the street, between 4 and 5 o'clock—she had a piece of gaspipe in her hand—she said "Tom, shall you want your shovel?"—I said "Yes"—1 had lent her son a shovel a week previously—she was talking to Begley at the time in a friendly way so far as I could see—I did not stop, I went on—I could not say whether she was under the influence of drink.

The following witnesses were called for the Defence. DAVID GAMBLE. I live at 40, Horace Street—I am a carman on the Great Western Railway—on Sunday afternoon, 3rd September, about 4 o'clock, I was in my own house—I heard a great shouting and went to the door—I saw Thomas Fitzgibbon and a lot of women round him beating him—I could not swear to any of the women; I don't know any of them; I am up early and home late—they had got the old man down—I saw Begley come out of 34 or 35 and go as if to his assistance, and pull some of the women off him, and they all turned upon him and commenced beating him—he struggled with them across the street; they got him down and then the police came up and arrested him while he was on the ground—he had nothing in his hand all the time I saw him.

Cross-examined. I did not see any woman with her forehead bleeding, nor any person with a piece of iron pipe in her hand.

ANN FARNELL . I live in Homer Road—on the afternoon of 3rd September I was in Horace Street about 2.45, and between that and 5 o'clock I saw Begley come down the street; he went into Mr. Slack's, No. 7; after that I saw him come out in the street; a row commenced between Daniel Connell and Michael Fitzgibbon, and after that a young woman came; they challenged Mrs. Fitzgibbon to fight; Mr. Fitzgibbon would not allow her to fight; he pushed her indoors; and Begley came and pushed the two women indoors, at 34, to prevent the fighting; as he did that Mrs. Malone faced him with a piece of iron in her hand like this, and struck him with it in the head, and as she did it a stone was thrown at him, he stooped his head and it went over him, and as he raised his head struck him again with the iron—he then made a grasp at her, a crowd of women got round, and after that what was done I can't tell, the crowd was so great—there was a regular rush and he was knocked down—I did not see him strike Mrs. Malone—I don't know how she came to have her head bleeding—I could not tell whether she was drunk or sober, I was not near her.

Cross-examined. I did not see anybody strike her—I saw her head bleeding afterwards—as Bagley was being taken away she followed him and said he had struck her in the face; her face was bleeding then—I did not see any blood or bruise on Bagley—I was not near enough, he was on the other side of the street.

Re-examined. I am sure Mrs. Malone struck him twice with the iron—the first knocked his hat off, the second was on his bars head.

MARGARET GRIFFIN . I lived at 36, Horace Street when this happened—1 was looking out of my second-floor window, and saw Begley standing underneath it with his two hands in his pockets—there was a row between Fitzgibbon and Connell—I saw Begley put Mr. and Mrs. Fitzgibbon in doors, keeping hold of the door, when Mrs. Malone came and struck him with this piece of iron piping—she threw a great stick at him—the other women were all hitting him—there was such a mob you could not see through them—they were all beating him—Mother Malone and him were lying down on the ground, and the constable came and picked him off her, and she would not let loose of him; she had hold of the collar of his coat—I did not see him strike any blow.

Cross-examined. I saw no one strike Mrs. Malone at all—I saw her

forehead bleeding before the policeman took Begley away—she had this weapon in her hand all the tune.Re-examined. She was very violent and rather intoxicated.

THOMAS BURKE . I live at 9, Horace Street—on this afternoon I saw Begley come out of No. 7, and walk down the street—the crowd was rather too much for Michael Fitzgibbon and his wife, and he took the pair of them and put them into their own house—then I saw a shower of stones, finger-beer bottles, cups, and other things come towards him, and after that I saw Mrs. Malone come up with a piece of rusty iron in her hand, and she made a hit at Begley, but hit the wall over his head—the crowd Ming out, "Go on, Mrs. Malone, hit him," and she made two hits, and to the best of my belief he got one on the head—he went into the crowd after that to save himself, and I saw nothing more of him till I saw him with the policeman; he got knocked down in the crowd—I did not see him strike Mrs. Malone—I saw her strike him twice—I could not say whether she was drunk or sober; she was betwixt and between.

Cross-examined. I did not see any one strike her, but I saw two or three belts, and to the best of my belief it was one of those hit her—I saw her face bleeding afterwards—I saw John Keefe there; I did not see any chopper in his hand—I saw Connell there—I did not see him strike old Fitzgibbon—I saw no blow struck at Mrs. Malone.

Re-examined. There were three or four young fellows with belts, and they were striking anywhere, it did not matter who it was—there was a free fight going on.

ELIZABETH HOGAN . I live at 36, Horace Street—I saw David Connell and Michael Fitzgibbon fighting at my door—after the fight was over Begley was standing by my side—a young woman came to challenge Mrs. Fitzgibbon to fight; her husband said "No, you must not fight, there's quite enough "—I saw Begley go to Michael Fitzgibbon's assistance, and they shoved him in doors—I saw Mrs. Malone cross over with this piece of gaspipe in her hand—she knocked Begley's hat off, and gave him a second blow on his head—he did not fall—old Fitzgibbon was then struck and dragged across the road—he was down, and Mrs. Malone was down, and Begley was lying down in the mob, and they were throwing stones, ginger-beer bottles, and this, that, and the other.

Cross-examined. I did not see anybody strike at Mrs. Malone, the mob was so great—I saw her strike Begley on the head, a very violent blow—I did not see him bleed—I saw Mrs. Malone bleeding on the way to the station.

HENRY JENKINS (Re-examined by MR. MATHEWS). I took Begley to the station—Mrs. Malone followed; she was bleeding from the head at the time—I saw no mark on Begley's head—he said nothing to me about being assaulted—he was charged by Mrs. Malone with having struck her with the gaspipe; he said he had not struck her—he made no complaint about having been struck—Mrs. Malone seemed a little excited, but she was not drunk.

MARGARET GRIFFIN (Re-examined). I saw the right going on between Connell and Fitzgibbon—I saw no chopper; they fought with their hands Connell took his wife upstairs, and a girl named Murphy challenged Mrs. Fitzgibbon to fight.

JULIA CAHILL . I am single, and live at 12, Horace Street—I saw this

fight; it lasted five minutes—Fitzgibbon challenged Connell to fight—there was a row at the top of the street, and a great many ran to see what was the matter—Michael challenged Fitzgibbon to fight, and knocked him down—Keefe went to pick him up, and was struck by Thomas Fitzgibbon, his brother-in-law—it seemed a fair fight—several were fighting, Doherty and Margaret Fitzgibbon and Connell—Doherty fought with Fox—I only saw fists used—I swear that Keefe did not use a chopper.

Cross-examined by MR. MATHEWS. I was examined before the Magistrate; I said, "Michael Fitzgibbon struck Fox with his belt, but that was after the fight"—I saw old Fitzgibbon lying bleeding on the ground—his son-in-law knocked him down with a militia belt—he twisted it round his hand and slung it, and inflicted a wound on his forehead—when the alarm of police was given Connell, Barron, and Keefe ran away, and ran into the room where I sat—I am not a friend of theirs—the passage was open—it was not immediately shut—they might have shut the door, but I should say they did not, as I saw people going in and out—when the policemen came the door was open, because they took Begley from the passage, but the second time the policemen came the door was shut—I don't know who shut it—they ran into the passage when a false alarm of police was raised, and then into my room—I did not see Johannah Keefe come out with something under her apron, and give it to her son John—I believe she was not there—I did not see Mary Hayes, old Dennis Keefe, or Margaret Keefe there—I saw Mrs. Malone struck by Begley; he wrested a piece of gaspipe from her hand and struck her face.

Re-examined. Michael Fitzgibbon said he would challenge the best man or woman in the street to fight—Margaret Fitzgibbon had a chopper—he took it, and as he was striking a woman a blow with his belt he struck the old man on the forehead, who fell on the pavement—it was Michael Gibbon who struck, and the other man was Fitzgibbon—the old man did not wish to charge this man with striking him on the head.

Re-examined. Mrs. Malone had a piece of paper in her hand and seemed to be going towards her door with it—she lives at No. 11—Begley was with Mike Gibbon—I did not see him attempt to use the chopper, but he had a struggle to wrench it from her grasp.

NORAH MURPHY . I am married, and live at 8, Horace Street—this riot took place just opposite my door—I saw Michael Gibbon come down the street and challenge Connell to fight, who was at the window of No. 12—he refused, and Gibbon challenged him again, and called him a coward—Connell after long persuasion came down and fought with Fitzgibbon, and his brother-in-law fought Keefe; a fair fight—I only saw fists used by them, but afterwards I saw a chopper—Margaret Fitzgibbon went across the road when her brother-in-law got a cut accidentally from a belt, which the son-in-law used—Michael Fitzgibbon made a ring for his wife and another young woman to fight—the Fitzgibbons were the cause of it.

Cross-examined by MR. MATHEWS. Margaret Fitzgibbon brought the chopper out of her own house—I did not see any of the Keefes with it—she did not take it back; she kept it, and it was taken to the station.

MICHAEL SHINE . I formerly lived at 26, Horace Street—on 3rd September I was drinking in a public-house, and I tried to prevent the old man going into the crowd—we had had 14 pots of beer between six of us—I went into the street and saw three couples all fighting at the same time, Connell with Michael, Thomas Fitzgibbon with Keefe, and Doherty

with Fox—I saw no chopper used—the old man was not struck in my presence—1 saw him fall, and when I saw him again he was bleeding—I saw him the same afternoon, and he made no complaint against the prisoners.

Cross-examined. There is a warrant out for the apprehension of my ion for an assault on 10th October—he has absconded.

WILLIAM HEARNE . I am a carpenter, of 6, Edward's Place—on 3rd September, about 3.30 p.m., I saw a mob outside 12, Horace Street, and saw Margaret Fitzgibbon striking a woman—the mob were crying "Shame! and Michael Fitzgibbon raised a belt—I told him he ought nut to use a belt to a woman—I saw Begley putting Gibbons into a house, and his wife challenged any woman in the street to fight—a woman stood up to fight her, and he raised the belt again, striking at anybody who came in his way—he said that he did not care whether he struck man, woman, or child; he would show them no mercy—he had the belt doubled in two, and held the centre of the strap, and the two buckles at liberty—I made a grab at it, and he rose it at me, and his wife put her fist in my face—I was borne away, and saw no more.

MICHAEL SHEHAN . I live at 4, Freshwater Place—on Sunday, 3rd September, about 3.30 or 4 o'clock, I saw Margaret Fitzgibbon asking a woman to fight her—Connell would not let his wife come down, but the woman's husband challenged Connell to fight—he took no notice—Dulanty came and stood opposite the window, took off his hat, and threw it in the middle of the street, and Michael Fitzgibbon came up and said to Connell "You are the man I want," and struck him two or three times in the face—Connell's wife came to take him away, but he commenced fighting—John keefe went to pick Connell up—Thomas Fitzgibbons struck keefe, and they commenced fighting—Dulanti struck Fox on his nose and knocked him on the ground—I saw the old man, but did not see Connell or any man touch him—I saw Michael Fitzgibbon swinging a belt round his head, but whether it hit him I could not say—if a chopper had been used on the old man I must have seen it.

MARY REEVES . I am married and live at 35, Devonshire Street, Marylebone—on Tuesday, 10th October, I saw Maloney tap Dulanti on his shoulder, who struck him back, and they both fell—a young man picked Maloney up, and they went away—Maloney did not kick Dulanti—there was no kicking whatever.

Cross-examined. I am Maloney's sister—I did not see the little boy Sweeney; he was not there—my brother did not kick Dulanti as he lay on the ground, and run away and leave him there—he was taken away by Fox—I don't know who took my brother away—I did not wait to see whether Dulanti was left senseless on the ground.

MICHAEL MURPHY . I am a labourer, of 27, Horace Street—on 10th October I was outside a public-house in Homer Bow, and saw Dulanti coming along—Maloney went behind him, tapped him on his collar, and asked him what he had been saying about him in his absence—I could not hear what he said, but Maloney said "Put up your hands; you know what you have been saying about me "—he did so, and they hustled one another, and Dulanty fell—two chaps with me advised Maloney to go away, as Dulanty did not seem inclined to get up—-Maloney walked away with them and left him lying down—I did not stop till he got up—I saw no kicking—I thought he would get up in a minute—I did not consider he was used harsh.

Cross-examined. Shine was with me; he has absconded—there is a warrant out against him, but I have seen him lately, but do not know where he is—I did not see Maloney push Dulanty with his hand towards the window, but they went that way in the hustle—Dulanty fell in the gutter, and acted the hypocrite, I believe.

THOMAS RILEY . I live at 7, Horace Street—on 10th October Dulante came by me, Maloney came up, they had some words, and Maloney seized him by the collar—they struck one another and fell—Jack Fox picked Maloney up and took him away, after which Sweeney came up—he did not see it—if he has sworn that he was there and saw the whole affair it is false—I did not see Maloney kick Dulanty; it was a stand-up fair fight.

Cross-examined. I am Connor's brother-in-law.

Mary Keefe in her defence stated that she was insulted and spit at by one of the girls✗ and they had hold of each other, and her father took her away. Dennit Keefe stated that he was not in the fight at all, and that the case was got up to spite him, and that he only took his daughter indoors. Johanna Keefe stated that she had nothing to do with the quarrel.

Witness for Hayes.

MARY ANN MCDONALD . I am an ironer—on 17th September, about 11.40, I went down the street, and saw Margaret Heath hit Norman, but Hayes did not.

Cross-examined by Mary Ann O'Dell. Your mother and sister were not there.

MOORE and DENNIS KEEFE— NOT GUILTY .

CONNELL, JOHN KEEFE, and BARRON— GUILTY .—

Eighteen Months' Hard Labour each, MALONEY— GUILTY .

Fifteen Months' Hard Labour. MARY, MARY ANN, and CATHERINE O'DELL, HAYES, and MARY and JOHANNAH KEEFE— GUILTY .— Twelve Months Hard Labour each. BEGLEY— GUILTY . Nine Months' Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Wednesday, November 29th, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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62. SARAH ANN BIGWOOD , Stealing two umbrellas and an Ulster coat, the goods of Emily Mary Cross.

MR. FULTON Prosecuted; MR. COLE Defended.

EMILY MARY CROSS . I am single, and live at Postwich Hall, near Norwich—on 20th October, about 2 p.m., I went into the second-class waiting-room of the Liverpool Street Station of the Great Eastern Railway—the porter put my luggage, two umbrellas tied together, an Ulster, and a tin hatbox on the table—I left the waiting-room for 20 minutes, and when I returned the Ulster and umbrellas were gone, and I have never seen them since.

Cross-examined. I complained to Miss Mallows and also to the detective at the station—I did not put my Ulster and umbrellas into a railway-carriage—I did not tell Messent or anybody so.

ROSA LAYARD HILL . I am single, and live at 3, Birkbeck Street, Cambridge Heath Road—my mother is in charge of the waiting-room of the Great Eastern Railway—she is in delicate health, and I assist her—I have known the prisoner for nearly two years; I have spoken to her

on two or three occasions—on 20th October I was at Liverpool Street Station, and went into the second-class waiting-room about 3.25—the prisoner was standing with her hand on the Ulster and umbrellas, which were on the table—Ann Mallows was waiting there too, but no one else—I walked through, and came back again in about 10 minutes—Miss Cross was there, and she said something to me—I did not see the umbrellas or Ulster there or the prisoner.

Cross-examined. The prisoner was placed with her mother and another person at the station for me to pick her out—previous to seeing her 'here I had seen her pass across Guildhall Yard—I did not identify her there—I have no doubt she is the person I saw in the waiting-room.

ANNIE MALLOWS . I am single, and reside at Garland Street, Bury St. Edmunds—on 20th October I was a passenger by the Great Eastern Railway—I went into the second-class waiting-room at 2.20, and sat there to wait for a train about 20 minutes—two umbrellas, an Ulster, and a box were on the table, and the prisoner was standing by the side of them—Miss Hill came in and looked at them, and went into the inner waiting-room—the prisoner took up the umbrellas and the Ulster, and walked out—she had an umbrella of her own in her hand—Miss Cross came in soon after and spoke to me, and when Miss Hill came back we made a communication to her—I subsequently saw the prisoner—I identified her at the Guildhall Police-court a week or two afterwards.

Cross-examined. At the police-court the prisoner was placed with her mother and two or three other people; I knew her directly I went into the room—she had passed before me in the yard, but I had only seen her back.

MATTHEW NEWNHAM (Great Eastern Railway Police Inspector). At 3. 15 p. m. on 20th October my attention was called to the loss of two umbrellas and an Ulster—I went to the second-class waiting-room, saw the three witnesses, and received from them a description of the young woman and of the umbrellas and waterproof—I could find no trace of them—I knew the prisoner by sight; I had seen her about 2.25 standing looking in the second-class waiting-room window on the departure side; as I came out from the booking-office she came from the window and went into the waiting-room—after I had seen the Yarmouth train start I returned, and the communication was made to me—I looked about the station, and could see nothing of her.

GUILTY .— Judgment Respited.

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63. JAMES ROBERT MANES (30) , Stealing 600l., the moneys of Solomon Gompers.

MESSRS. POLAND and F. H. LEWIS Prosecuted; MR. COLE Defended.

SOLOMON GOMPERS . I am a dealer in diamonds at 95, Hatton Garden—I had a customer in the Broadway, New York; a man named May brought me a letter from him—acting upon that I allowed him to come to my office daily—I had a conversation with him about diamonds—in consequence of what he said I went to the Midland Hotel on 12th October—May introduced me to the prisoner in a bedroom, I believe No. 37—May said, "This is the gentleman that has come to buy your diamonds I—the prisoner said, "How much have you brought with you?"—I said, "200l. "—he said, "Oh, I would not sell such a paltry amount"—then he asked me to have a little whisky and apollinaris water—the following day he called at my office about 12 o'clock—in consequence of what he

said I obtained 500l. in bank-notes; I borrowed 100l. from Mr. Wilhelms—I went with Wilhelms to the Midland Hotel; we went into the billiard-room; the prisoner was there—we went from there into Nos. 37 and 38 rooms communicating—May said to the prisoner, "This gentleman has brought some money now to buy those goods—Wilhelms remained downstairs by Mr. May's desire—the prisoner said, "How much have you got?"—I said, "600l"—I took out the money and gave it to May, who handed it to the prisoner, who put it on a pile of what looked like bank-notes that were on the table, and walked from the bedroom into the adjoining room, putting them into his pocket—I waited a quarter of an hour—I said to May, "He is a long time"—May said, "It is all right, do not be silly; come down and settle the bargain with a drink"—Mr. Wilhelms was. waiting for us at the door—this was about 5.20—we had a drink, and May proposed to go down the street—we went to the Victoria Hotel and drank, and I said, "You had better go and fetch those things, May"—he said, "I will be back in jiffey"—he left—I did not suggest that he should stop away—he did not return with the diamonds—I waited expecting him—I went with Wilhelms back to the Midland Hotel, but did not find May or the prisoner there—from what Wilhelms said we went to 38, Torrington Square, and afterwards to Charing Gross Railway—we found May and the prisoner in a railway carriage—one of them opened the door, and the prisoner jumped over the buffers of the train, and May ran towards the barrier—I nave not seen May since—I went to Cannon Street by the train in which we had seen May and the prisoner—Wilhelms and a detective went in another compartment—at Cannon Street I saw the prisoner with Detective Middleton; I gave him in custody—I did not lose the money at poker; I do not play at cards—I did not see the prisoner till 12th October.

Cross-examined. I have not the numbers of the notes—I did not ask to see the diamonds—I did not know the kind of diamonds I was going to buy—the prisoner was sober—he had the key of his door and opened it—the pile of notes was close to the window—I did not say that it was a jiffy pile at the police-court—I had a low hat, and I said that height—I have been in the diamond business 18 years, 16 years in London, about 13 years in Hatton Garden—I go to places on the Continent—I have only one customer in New York—we always travel two or three in company—I play at cards with friends at their houses or at a club, but not for money; I have played for 3d. or 6d. at home—I should like to hear Jew or Gentile impute that I was a noted gambler; I am not known to the police as a gambler; I am not a noted card-player—I saw the billiard-marker and the hall porter—I was taken to the hotel manager's room—I did not tell him I had been playing at poker with two gentlemen staving at the hotel—I did not know that the prisoner had gone to the railway-station, I suspected it—I said to the billiard-marker, "Do you know the gentleman who was playing billiards?" and he said, "I know him as a visitor, he is an Austrian"—I said, "No, he is an American"—I did not say, "Let him be what he will he has had me for 260 quid" FISCHELL WILHELMS. I am a dealer, of 13, Bishop's Road, Bays water; I live at No. 15—on Friday, 13th October, I went to the Midland Hotel with Mr. Gompers from his office at 95, Hatton Garden—I lent him 100l. that afternoon in Bank of England notes—May was standing at the door—May had been introduced to me by Mr. Gompers—I made some clothes

for May; that is how I knew he lived at 38, Torrington Square, he gave I that address when he ordered the clothes—I waited in the hall of the hotel while Gompers and May went upstairs—that was at May's suggestion—in about 12 minutes Mr. Gompers and May came down, and we went to the Victoria Hotel—after having some drink May left—he did not return—we waited 20 minutes or half an hour for him—I then went back to the Midland Hotel with Mr. Gompers—I spoke to the hall-porter—I went to rooms 37 and 38, a bedroom and sitting-room communicating—not finding them there we went to 38, Torrington Square after 7 p. m.—I made inquiries—we then went to Charing Cross Railway Station—I saw May and the prisoner in a first-class railway carriage—I had never seen the prisoner before—May jumped out on the platform side and ran away—he never paid for nor had his clothes—he crossed the buffers between two carriages and got down the other side, and one official after him—I got into the train with Middleton—Mr. Gompers got into another compartment—I saw the prisoner at Cannon Street walk along the platform and get into a first-class carriage—Middleton took him in custody—Mr. Gompers recognized him, and charged him—I never heard anything about card playing at the hotel.

Cross-examined. I said at the police-court, "I do not remember whether they were five 10l. or ten 5l. notes"—that is what I say now; I cannot positively say—I got 50l. from my sister—she is a diamond dealer—I suggested that the prisoner and May would be off to the Continent; I did not get information that they had gone to Charing Cross.

Re-examined. We drove away from Mr. Gompers's offices in his dogcart to the hotel and to the railway—it was standing there waiting.

ELIZA POTTER . I live at 38, Torrington Square—the prisoner lodged with me from 4th October to 13th—a Mr. May was with him—they had two bedrooms and a drawing-room—the prisoner said they had come from America—I had no reference; they brought luggage with them—on 13th October, a little after 6, I heard a noise in the hall, and saw two men going out with a box—I closed the door, and asked the prisoner what it meant; he said he was going, and seemed in a great hurry—I said "Where is Mr. May?" he said" Upstairs"—I said "I want some settlement before you leave my house," and followed them upstairs—the prisoner said his friend would settle with me, and while I was talking with his friend he passed down the stairs and was gone with his cab and luggage—I was not then aware the luggage was out of the house—he said he could not pay for his friend—lie put down 2l.—there was no settlement.

Cross-examined. I was paid altogether 7l. for their board and lodgings for 10 days—5l. had been paid previously.

ISABELLA PARKER . I am Mrs. Potters servant—the prisoner and Mr. May lodged in her house—on 13th October, the day on which they left, they went out about 4.15—the prisoner came back alone, and Mr. May afterwards, and they went away in a cab in about half an hour.

Cross-examined. The prisoner and May went out on Thursday at different times about 12, the prisoner taking his small bag and rug, and they returned to the house the next day before noon.

ROGER BASSETT . I am a guard in the service of the South-Eastern Railway Company—on Friday night, 13th October, I was the guard of the front part of the Continental express, which is detached a Shorncliffe—

after the train had started about 50 or 60 yards I saw the prisoner on the side of the train; he jumped on the footboard of the van next to my break—the train was going about seven miles an hour—I opened my door, and assisted him in—I asked him what made him jump on the off side of the train; he said he had a lady and some baggage in the train, and he jumped on to save the train, as he had two first-class tickets for Paris—he said nothing more—he rode with me in my break to Cannon Street; there he got out on the platform side after I got out, and he went up the platform towards another compartment—I did not see him get in.

Cross-examined. The train leaves Charing Cross at five minutes past 8—I had not seen the prisoner with a lady in a railway carriage—I was up and down the train half an hour before starting—there was no other train by which he might have gone to Cannon Street to catch the boat train to Dover.

JAMES MIDDLETON . I am a sergeant in the detective department of the Criminal Investigation Department, and am employed at Charing Cross Station—on Friday night, 13th October, Wilhelm spoke to me, and I rode with him in the Continental express to Cannon Street—we got out on the platform there and went to a first-class carriage, where the prisoner was with a lady—I said "Have you been into Charing Cross this evening?" he said, "Yes "—I said "Will you kindly step outside, please 1 I wish to speak to you;" he did so—I said "lama detective officer, and am going to apprenend you on suspicion of obtaining 600l. by means of a confidence trick?—the prosecutor came up, and said "That is the man that robbed me;" the prisoner said nothing—the lady got out—there was nobody else in the compartment—she said in his hearing "My keys, my keys;" he was about to hand her a bunch of keys, and I took them from him—she said "My pass;" I also took that—the prisoner had on him the two first-class passes right through to Paris for the boat and rail—I ordered one of the porters to take the luggage out of the compartment—there were two small Glad stone bags—I think the prisoner said they were his, I won't be positive—I noticed no label or address on them—I gave them to Dixon—at the Piatt Street Station, Somers Town, the prisoner took from his trousers hip pocket a packet of bank notes, and gave them to me—I handed them to Dixon—he also-produced 7l. or 8l. in gold.

Cross-examined. Dixon counted the notes in my presence; I can't say what their total was—the prisoner had a trunk and hat-box labelled for Paris in the luggage-van.

GEORGE DIXON (Inspector Y). I am stationed at Somers Town—on Friday night, 13th October, the prisoner was brought there—Middleton handed these 18 bank-notes (produced) to me; one for 100l., No. 47153, dated 2nd June, 1882; two 50l. notes, Nos. 21661 and 23224, both of 2nd May, 1882; two 20l. notes, Nos. 39527, and '8, of 3rd March, 1882; five 10l. notes, Nos. 44528 and '9, 60065, '6, and 7, of 7th March, 1882; eight 5l. notes, Nos. 36371, '2, '3, and '4, of 14th August, 1882, and 04970, '1, '2, and '3, of 29th August; and 41 other 5l. notes; altogether 535l. In notes, and 6l. Is. 8d. in coin, making a total of 541l. 7s. 8d.—Middleton also gave me the two Gladstone bags—in one of them I found a revolver loaded in six chambers with ball-cartridges, and in the other bag was a five chambered revolver not loaded, and some loose cartridges—the prisoner said that the bag with the loaded revolver in it belonged to a man named

May—the bag was full of toilette things—in the prisoner's bag was a pack of playing-cards—I charged the prisoner with conspiring with another man, not in custody, to defraud the prosecutor of 600l. in Bank of England notes, between the 12th and 13th inst.—he said "I won that man's money fairly at cards; I know no one in London, I know nothing of the other man"—I cautioned him, and he said "If it is an offence to play at cards, then I am guilty; if not, I won that man's money fairly at cards,"or "fairly," not "at cards;" "fairly" only—about an hour after he asked for pen, ink, and paper, to send to a friend at the Langham Hotel, and said "That sergeant was not at all smart; if I had that revolver in America I could have cleared the whole lot. I left Morrison, County Colorado, about the latter end of last month, and I met the man May on board the Britannic, on my way over from America"—he said his father was a mineralogist, dealing in silver mines, and in a good position there.

Cross-examined. I don't recollect saying at the police-court that the prosecutor said he had lost between 600l. and 700l.; he told me 600l.—this (produced) was the pack of playing-cards found—Mr. Gompers was present when the prisoner was charged at the police-station—he indignantly denied that the prisoner had won the money at cards, and said he had never played at cards in his life with the prisoner—I only know him through this case, I do not know that he is a noted card-player—I have made inquiries, and find that he left New York on 23rd September, 1882, in the Britannic, and arrived at Queenstown at 2.45 on 2nd October—May was a passenger by the same boat—the prisoner said at the station that he won the money at poker, and asked the prosecutor if he had not played at cards with him; the prosecutor said "I never touched a card"—if I said that the prosecutor said he had lost between 600l. and 700l., I must have made a mistake, because I have his statement here as I wrote it down from his mouth at the time—the prisoner said to the prosecute "You came yesterday and lost, and you came to-day and have done the same; a little over 300l. of that was yours, "referring to a roll of notes—the prosecutor denied it continuously.

Re-examined, I took down those two pages of statement from the prosecutor in the prisoner's presence, at the station, before I entered the charge. (This was in substance the same at Gompers's evidence.)

ROGER BASSKTT (Re-examined by MR. COLE). The carriages are locked at Charing Cross and the tickets are examined by the collectors about seven minutes before the train leaves.

By MR. POLAND. My brake was the third carriage from the engine, and about 100 yards from the end of the platform—we were not clear of the platform when the prisoner got up.

RUTTER. I am the manager of the Charterhouse Street branch of the London and Joint Stock Bank—the prosecutor is a customer of ours—on 12th October I cashed a cheque fox 150l., which was paid in one 50l. note, No. 21661; two 20l. notes, Nos. 39527 and '8; four 10l. notes, Nos. 44526, '7, '8, and '9; and four 5l. notes, Nos. 86371, '2, '8, and '4—on the next day he cashed a cheque for 200l., and received for that a 100l. note, No. 47153; a 50l. note, No. 23224; three 10l. notes, Nos. 60065, '6, and '7; and four 5l. notes, Nos. 04970-3; total, 350l.

WILLIAM HELLBATCH . I am clerk at the Midland Hotel, St. Pancras—it is my duty to let bedrooms—on 26th October, between 3 and 5 o'clock, I let a bedroom and sitting-room in combination, Nos. 37 and 38,

to the prisoner, who gave the name of Manes—they are the best rooms in the house; we charge 32s. a day—the bill was paid the following day to the cashier—I can't tell if the bedroom was occupied at all.

Witnesses for the Defence. ROBERT ERTZENBERGER. I have been manager of the Midland Grand Hotel nearly ten years—on Friday, 13th October, I received a communication from Augustus Kleinman, the hall porter, that two gentlemen wished to see me in my office—Gompers and Wilhelms came in—Gompers said "You have got two cardsharpers in the house"—I said "How? Where?"—he said "In No. 37, or rather they were there, but they have gone now"—I said "How is it; when did you see them?"—he said "I was here at 5 o'clock and lost several hundred pounds, and I find they have been cheating me at cards, and I want to arrest them"—I said "Do you know the men?"—he said "No, it is the first time I saw them"—I said "How did you come here, surely they did not bring you by force?"—he said "No, one of them was at my office this afternoon with a letter of introduction from New York"—I said "Well, if that is the case I have nothing to do with it; I will inquire whether they have paid their bill and taken their luggage away"—I sent for the porter, who had taken the luggage down, and I asked at the cashier's office whether the bill had been paid, and they said "Yes"—the prosecutor wanted to know the number of the cab which took them away, but we could not give him that—I said "I cannot help you in any way, as the party has paid the bill"—I left them in the hotel—he mentioned poker as the game, and wanted to explain to me how the trick was done, but I declined to listen because I did not want to be mixed up in the matter—the defendant has not lodged at the hotel before to my knowledge.

Cross-examined. I never saw the prisoner till I saw him at the police-court—I was called there but not examined as a witness—I saw rooms 37 and 38 were occupied, but I did not know by whom—I could only say from the books whether they slept there on the night of the 12th they were entered as Mr. Manes and another person—this conversation took place about 6.30 or 7 o'clock on the Friday—I understood Mr. Gompers to say that that was the first time he had seen the prisoner, and that the letter of introduction from New York was brought to him that afternoon—the inspector asked me to attend at the police-court, and a clerk gave me a subpoena to attend here to-day—I have not given any statement of my evidence to anybody.

Re-examined. The inspector came to my office the next day. GEORGE DIXON (Re-examined). I did not take any statement down from Mr. Ertzenberger—he said nothing about cards on that occasion.

ROBERT ERTZENBERGER (Re-examined). I told the inspector that the prosecutor said he had lost the money at cards—the inspector said "Then there has been gambling"—I said "Certainly"—he said "He is a lucky man if he can prove that he has won that money at cards."

AUGUSTUS KLEINMAN . I live at 20, Elm Road, Camden Town, and am hall porter at the Midland Hotel—on Friday, 30th October, the prosecutor came to me and asked to be shown to the prisoner's room—I went with him to No. 38; there was nobody there—there was a bottle of a whisky, three-parts full, on the mantelpiece—the prosecutor said "This is the table, this is the room, and this is the door we went

through"—I opened the door and showed him the bedroom—the prosecutor said "I have been had at card sharping," or "By a card sharper "—I won't be certain which, and I believe the amount he stated that he was had for was about 400l.—he seemed to be very excited—he I said nothing about a robbery or about bank notes and jewels—I don't I suppose I was in his company more than a quarter of an hour; during the whole of that time he never accused a man of stealing bank notes, or a word about bank notes or jewels.

Cross-examined. He did not say to me he had been robbed of 600l., I I think it was 400l.; and not "robbed" but "had" at card sharping.

HENRY GOIN . I live at 26, High Street, York Road, and am a billiard marker at the Midland Hotel—on Friday, 13th October, I was in the billiard-room, and about 4.40 the prisoner came in and I played 50 up with him—at 5.40 the prosecutor came into the room, and when we had finished the game the prisoner said "Will you have a game of billiards?"—the prosecutor said "No, I don't care about it, I very seldom play; I don't care about the game"—he also declined to have a drink and a cigar, and the prisoner threw down a sovereign for me to take the money for the game, and said to the prosecutor "Come along upstairs"—I did not see the prisoner again till I saw him at Clerkenwell—I saw the prosecutor come downstairs about 6.15 or 6.30—I believe he was excited, but not in liquor; he leaned on the mantelpiece and said "Marker, do you know that gentleman who was playing you billiards?"—I said "No, only as a visitor. He is an Australian, isn't he?"—the prosecutor said "No, he is an American"—I said "Well, he don't speak the American tongue"—the prosecutor, in a sharp sort of way, said "Well, it don't matter to me what. he is, he has had me for 250 quid"—I said "What? had you for 250l. in what way?"—he said 11 At a game of poker"—I then said "I can't do anything for you, but I will fetch the hall porter," and I did.

Cross-examined. Mr. Eicketts asked me at Clerkenwell to come here as a witness—I was at Clerkenwell, but I was not examined—my evidence was taken down a week from the day of the occurrence by one of the clerks—two police-officers asked me to go to Clerkenwell—I don't know their names—there is no mistake about the amount mentioned in the billiard-room nothing was said about 600l. that he had lost—Mr. Wilhelms was with the prosecutor upstairs from an hour and a quarter to an hour and a half—he left my room at 5 o'clock, and this conversation took place at 6.15 or 6.30—1 did not know the prisoner by any name—I had never seen him before—I knew he was staying in the hotel.

Re-examined. I swear the prisoner said he lost the money at poker—I told the police who summoned me to the police-court w 3rd for word what I have told you to-day.

GEORGE DIXON (Re-examined).I saw the manager of the Midland Hotel I think on the Saturday—I have heard what he said just now—it is not true that he told me that the prosecutor said he had lost several hundreds at cards—the words he used were that he had been swindled out of his money; there was something said about cards and poker by the billiard marker and the hall porter—what the billiard marker said is precisely the same as he has said to-day.

Cross-examined. I asked Mr. Ertzenberger to come to the police-court

to give evidence—Mr. Lickfold from Messrs. Lewis and Lewis was at the police-court—I don't know if he saw the manager, billiard marker, and hall porter—I gave Mr. Lickfold the names of all the witnesses in writing.

JAMES MIDDLETON (Re-examined). I was with the inspector when he saw the manager at the hotel—the manager did not tell him that the prosecutor had said he had lost several hundreds at cards at the game of poker; he said he had come to him and said he had been swindled.

Cross-examined. I heard the inspector tell the manager to come to the police-court—I can't say if he was referred to Mr. Lickfold there—I heard the billiard marker say that he had heard the prosecutor say he had been robbed of 200 quids by cards—I did not hear the hall porter say the same thing.

FISCHELL WILHELMS . Mr. Gompers did not go into the office at the hotel; he spoke to the manager at the door—I never heard him say anything about poker—I never heard him make any allusion to having been cheated at cards—I was with him—he was very much excited—I never heard him say anything about poker to the billiard marker—I never heard him make any statement that he had lost any money at cards—I was there when he spoke to the hall porter.

Cross-examined. I did not hear the inspector say, "Well, he will be a lucky man if he can prove that"—I was with Gompers all the time—I heard the manager's evidence—as far as I know it is untrue—I don't know if Gompers had more than one interview with the manager; I should not think he did—Gompers said nothing about losing money at cards or poker.

GUILTY .— Two Years' Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.—Thursday, November 30th, 1882.

Before Mr. Recorder.

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64. GEORGE GORDON (39) , Unlawfully omitting to discover certain assets to the trustee in his bankruptcy; and WILLIAM EVANS aiding and abetting in the said offence, to which they

PLEADED GUILTY .

Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutors.— To enter into recognisances to appear at the January Sessions.

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65. ALFRED BEATTIE (34) , Feloniously forging and uttering a request for the delivery of two pieces of merino, with intent to defraud.

MR. PURCELL Prosecuted; MR. CRANSTOUN Defended.

ALFRED HOOPER . I am warehouseman to Cook and Son, St. Paul's Churchyard—on 25th October, about 3.15, the prisoner brought me this order, "Memorandum from George D. Morant, cash draper, 138, High Street, Kingsland. Gentlemen,—Oblige by sending per bearer one piece of jet black French merino at 2s. 2d., or one piece of ditto as near pattern as you can at 2s. 6d. Yours respectfully, for J. Richards, J. B. M. "—I gave the goods to Mr. Brown.

Cross-examined. I actually took the order from the prisoner's hand—it was in an envelope, which had been opened in the English department.

JOHN BROWN . I am a warehouseman to Cook and Son—on 25th October the prisoner came to me from the merino department—I asked him what he was waiting for—he said, "Goods for Morant, of Kingsland"—I asked him

who gave him the order, as I was under the impression that Mr. Morant had retired, and Mr. Richards had taken the business—he said, "No, he lives there, and Mr. Richards is only manager," and Mr. Morant gave him the order—I spoke to our manager, and told the prisoner I could not allow him to take the goods—I saw him sign the day-book, and sent our porter, Page, to carry them—I gave instructions to Downett.

EDWARD PAGE . I am porter to Cook and Son—I accompanied the prisoner, and carried the parcel—I missed him at the end of Cannon Street, but Downett brought him back.

LOUIS DOMMETT . I am porter to Cook and Son—Mr. Stephens gave me instructions, and I followed the prisoner and Page to Cannon Street, where he bolted down a court and crossed Thames Street to the stairs leading to the pier—I tapped him on the shoulder, and asked him where he was going—he said, "I am going by boat"—I said," I thought you had to go to Kingsland with a parcel with a man from Cook's"—he said, "I have been bested; I see you are a detective; I will return with you"—we met Page, and all three went back to the warehouse.

JOSEPH HENRY STEPHENS . I am manager to Cook and Son—this order was brought to me, and I gave instructions, and when the prisoner was brought back he said "I will make an acknowledgment. A man promised me five shillings to come in and get the goods, but who the man is I don't know "—I gave him in charge—this is the day-book—he signed it in the name of Wallis.

JAMES CURTIS (City Policeman). I was called to Cook's warehouse, and saw the prisoner—I asked him what he was doing there—he said "I have been sent here by some one I don't know"—I took him to the station.

THOMAS RICHARDS . I am a draper, and succeeded to the business of Mr. J. D. Morant, 138, High Street, Kingsland, in May—the signature "J. Richards" to this order is not mine, or by my authority—"J. D. M." are Mr. Morant's initials.

JAMES DOUGLAS MORANT . I live at Ritson House, Portsmouth—I formerly carried on business at 138, High Street, Kingsland, as a draper—these initials are not my writing, or authorised by me, but this is one of my bill-heads, which Mr. Richards still uses.

GUILTY of uttering. He then PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction at Lambeth in August, 1880.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

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66. WILLIAM GOULD , Feloniously forging and uttering an order for 40 yards of silk with intent to defraud.

MR. CRANSTOUN Prosecuted.

EDWARD JOHN LLOYD . I am warehouseman to Messrs. Copes-take, of Bow Churchyard—on 18th October a man, who I strongly believe to be the prisoner, presented this order, and I gave him 40 yards of silk, value 14l. odd—he gave this receipt in pencil, "For H. De Suza, J. Brooks"—we forwarded the invoice the same evening to Mr. De Suza, and next morning it was brought back, and we were told that it was a forgery.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. We have no signature in a book, only on the order—I cannot bring any one who saw you in the warehouse.

WILLIAM JEFFREYS . I am a packer to Messrs. Copestake—I packed

these 40 yards of silk and put them on the counter before the prisoner, and he took them up and followed Mr. Lloyd—he wore a similar coat to what he has now—I picked him out at the station momentarily from 10 others.

Cross-examined. I believe one of them besides you had a silk hat—there were other light-complexioned men—one was next you—he had no moustache—I did not say "This is the most like the man that I see here"—I said "I think this is the man "—I did not hear a detective say "Yes, this is the man"—a youth from our warehouse said he could not identify any one.

Re-examined, The man who came to the shop had a fair complexion and was similar to the prisoner—I have no doubt about him.

HENRY LOUIS FOSTER . I am manager to Mr. De Suza, of 10, Union Court—this document is not genuine—I am the buyer, and the person who would write the order—we never had a man named Miller in the employment.

Cross-examined. I do not recollect you—this memorandum form may have been taken from the rack by some one who came into the office.

CHARLES SHEPPARD . I am assistant to Mr. Smith, pawnbroker, Upper Street, Islington—on 18th October these 20 yards of black silk were pawned for 2l. 10s. in the name of J. Green, 34, Essex Road—I don't recognise the prisoner.

JOHN WESTWATER . I am silk buyer to Copestake—I recognise this silk as their property by the make and edge—I have no doubt of it it is worth 7s. a yard.

Cross-examined. The same make and number might be in other warehouses, but we have kept the piece it was cut from, and it fits it.

CHARLES BRYAN (City Policeman N 359). On 16th November, about 6.30 p.m., I saw the prisoner in Aldersgate Street, and said "Excuse me, sir; do you know me?"—he said "No"—I said "You resemble a man who is wanted for obtaining 40 yards of silk from Messrs. Copestake's, Bow Churchyard, on the 18th of last month. You will have to go with me to Bow Lane Police-station "—I first said "Cook's" by mistake—on the way to the station he said "I have not been to Cook's or Copestake's for the last four years"—he told me that he was a commission agent, and his office was. 7, John Street, Golden Square—I went there—there was nothing in the place but some invoices and letters—one invoice was for five reams of paper, value 4l. 4s., 9d. which was delivered the day after I arrested him, and which has been seized and taken back—I found a memorandum of 4th November describing his place as "The clothes factory, Golden Square"—here are several memoranda, in which he writes to persons in the country asking for goods—when I locked him up he had no money for refreshments, and I gave the gaoler sixpence to get him some—I found two memorandum books on him with memoranda in them—the name of "Copestake" occurs, with Tomlinson written under it.

Cross-examined. I found some patterns of cloth in the office.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I have not been near Copestake's for three years, and then I went to see Mr. Knill in the counting-house. I don't know this shipper at all. I will call my witnesses at the Session. "

Prisoner's Defence. I should like the Jury to see this order, and also

my writing, and compare them. I also want them to see my writing in ink.

Witnesses for the Defence.

HENRY OSTERMAN (Interpreted).I am a stick-maker—during the greater part of October I was in Mr. Jonas's office—I remember the prisoner coming there on a Wednesday; I believe it was before 3 o'clock—he stopped till after 5 o'clock, when it was dark—he said to Mr. Jonas's clerk that Mr. Jonas was sure to come back, and asked him to give him another quarter of an hour—I had a small alarm clock there—Mr. Jonas had instructed me to wait till he came back—I did not see Mr. Jonas's clerk take a box away—I believe the prisoner has on the same coat now as he had then, and as well as I can remember it was 5.30p.m. before he left.

Cross-examined. According to my reckoning this was Wednesday, 18th October—I reckon by eleven days after I left the employ of the firm—I was first spoken to about this on the Sunday previous to the examination at the Mansion House—I left the firm on 80th or 31st October—Mr. Jonas is a merchant and shipper; he is not here—I made myself generally useful there, packing goods and taking things out—the prisoner saw Mr. Jonas that day in the forenoon—I had never seen the prisoner before.

EDWARD JOHN LLOYD (Re-examined). It was 20 to 25 minutes past 5 o'clock when I saw the prisoner as I came down from the other room, and he had been in the warehouse more than five or ten minutes before I saw him, because of the time taken to prepare the goods and send them to the entering room, therefore he must have been there not much later than 5.10 p.m. if any.

NOT GUILTY .

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67. FREDERICK ABRAHAMS (20) Assaulting John Cracknall, and occasioning him actual bodily harm. The prisoner stated that he was guilty of a common assault, and the Jury found that verdict— Three Months Bard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Thursday, November 30th, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

Reference Number: t18821120-68

68. BENJAMIN MILLER (36) and THOMAS AUGUSTUS KELLY (38) , Stealing a diamond bracelet, a brilliant brooch, and other articles, the goods of Daniel Welby. Second Count, Receiving.

MILLER PLEADED GUILTY .

MESSRS. POLAND and HORACE AVORY Prosecuted; MESSRS. GEOGHEGAN and WILSON defended Kelly.

DANIEL WELBY . I am a wholesale dealer, of 20, Garrick Street—on 11th October Millar came to my shop with Mr. Attenborough's card—he said he wanted some diamonds to show to a customer of Mr. Attenborough's—I showed him several diamonds—he selected a diamond bracelet containing 15 brilliants, value 86l.; a brilliant spray brooch, value 65l.; a brilliant leaf-patterned brooch, value 60l.; a pair of crescent diamond earrings, value 40l.; and a pair of drop earrings, with large centre stones, value 80l.; total, 320l.—I said "I do not know you as coming from Attenborough's"—he said "Oh, I have been there some time. I have come from the new house "—I repeated that I did not know him—he said "Oh, if you have any doubt about it, you may

send one of your people with me. I have a cab here"—I called Mr. Begbie, my assistant, and handed him the articles, and gave him instructions to go with Miller—both went off in the cab—shortly afterwards Begbie returned without the diamonds—I have seen the crescent diamond earrings produced by Mr. Barnett, also the 15 loose diamonds—I identified those as the brilliants set in the bracelet of the value of 85l.—I am looking at the book in which is entered the stones sent out to the workmen—the cost price of the 15 stones produced is 68l. 10s.—the date in the book is January, 1882—that is when they were given out—I also identify one of the two diamonds as one of those in the pair of drop earrings—the approximate value of that is 20l.—I have seen the other stone—one stone was shown to me by a police officer, and the other by Mr. Aaron—they correspond in size, weight, and colour—the other property is still missing.

Cross-examined. The brilliants were taken out of a parcel of brilliants—68l. 10s. represents the estimated value at the time of purchase—the market price fluctuates—they are good stones—there is nothing special about them—I would not call them a first-rate colour—some are not a good colour—we should call them "Cape whites"—the difference in the present price would not be appreciable.

Re-examined. There would certainly not be a reduction of more than 71/2 to 10 per cent.—the single stone produced would be worth 30l.

ALFRED BEGBIE . I am assistant to Mr. Welby—on 11th October he handed me a parcel of diamond ornaments to take with Miller to Attenborough's—I went with Miller to 71, Strand—he asked me to wait in the cab while he went inside, and I did so—he came out without his hat, held the door, and said the customer was inside settling about some plate, and if I would give him the jewellery they would give us an answer in about an hour's time—I then handed him the ornaments, believing there was a customer inside who wanted to see them—I then went away—I next saw Miller in custody—on the way to the shop he told me he had been employed at Attenborough's for some time.

CHARLES TRIEBLER . I am assistant to Mr. George Attenborough, of 71, Strand—I have been with him 12 years—the prisoner was not in his employment—we had no customer on 11th October come to arrange about diamond jewellery—I remember Miller coming about 12 o'clock that day—he asked if a gentleman of the name of Hamilton was there—I said "No;" he said "I arranged to meet him here at 12 to make purchases of jewels "—he had a black bag—I noticed Mr. Welby's assistant through the window—Miller then said "Wait half a moment," or something of that kind, and went out of the shop, leaving his hat on the counter—he spoke to some one outside, and came back into the shop—he wrote on a piece of paper the names of Hamilton and Bright, and said "Will you give this to Mr. Hamilton, and tell him if he comes here, that I will meet him at one"—he went away—he did not return—the following Saturday I met Mr. Begbie and heard of the loss of diamonds.

Cross-examined. I am a fair judge of diamonds, though that is not my department—I had not seen the brilliants—we tell their value first by colour and then by weight—I should not call those produced fourths—they are not the finest, but a very fair quality—if I was told they came out of an old ornament I should disbelieve it, because there is nothing about them that I should expect to find in old stones.

Re-examined. Mine is the sales department—I should not like to put my judgment against Mr. Welby's.

ROBERT BIGGS. I am manager to Mr. Samuel Banes, of No. 10, St. George's Circus, Southwark, pawnbroker—I produce a pair of diamond earrings pledged on 11th October, in the name of George Maitland, of 302, Old Kent Road, for 15l., by Miller, between 1 and 2 p.m.—I saw thorn mentioned in the police-list on 17th October—I at once commmunicated with the police—I have known Kelly seven or eight years, as King, a dealer—he has pawned things occasionally—I did not know his address, but believed he lived at Peckham—Kelly came to our shop about a week before the 3rd November, when I was examined at the police-court—he offered to pledge some loose diamonds; it was a dark, foggy day, a Thursday or Friday—he asked 30l. for them—I said "I will not take them in to-day, the weather is so bad; no person would lend money on them by this light"—he said they had been in a buckle—he went away; I next saw him at Bow Street.

Cross-examined. I have been 28 years in the trade—I cannot value those produced without my glass to see them—I made no offer to Kelly, because it was foggy—he came in the front part of the shop; any boay could see him.

Re-examined. I never knew Miller before the 11th.

SAMUEL PIPE . I am assistant to Mr. E. J. Bui worthy, pawnbroker, of 12, Aylesbury Street, Clerkenwell—on 26th October Kelly pawned 15 loose diamonds with me about 12 o'clock—he asked 50l. upon them; I said I would lend him 4l. per carat—he did not agree, and took them away—he returned about 3 p. m. with another man, named Cohen—one of them said he wanted to buy a lot of watches—Kelly said would I make the diamonds 30l.—upon weighing them I found they were over seven carats, and I agreed to lend 30l. on the 15 brilliants—the two 5l. notes produced are part of the money I advanced—the stones were redeemed on the 27th by Mr. Aaron.

Cross-examined. I knew him as Kelly—I always believed him to be respectable; his appearance was that of a well-to-do dealer—he has had many transactions with me before; they turned out honourable—his address was 80, Pomeroy Street, Peckham—his father was also in the trade.

SELIG AARON . I live at 6, Wharton Street, Lloyd Square—I have known Kelly 18 years—I met him in Bishopsgate Street about Friday, 27th October, from 11.80 to 12 o'clock—he said "I have pledged 15 loose brilliants for a party for 30l.; I should like to dispose of the ticket for 12l. "—I told him the price was too high for me, especially as I had not seen the goods—I showed him a pair of eardrops, and told him they cost me 4l. 16s. a carat—he said the goods in pledge were far superior—I went to a public-house in Devonshire Street, and borrowed of the manager 3l. 10s. I gave Kelly eight sovereigns and some bits of jewellery amounting to 15s., and promised him if I was satisfied with the diamonds I would give him another 2l.—he said "I have a stone in pledge at Spinks's," and that the money I gave him would be sufficient to redeem it; he would meet me in a quarter of an hour's time, and show me the stone—he gave me the ticket for the 15 brilliants that I had paid for, and I went to fetch Mr. Izanscheim, and borrowed enough to repay the publican his 3l. 10s.—after paying that Kelly came there with the stone—I weighed the stone, and gave him 13l. for it—I afterwards gave it to the inspector—I took the ticket to Mr. Bulworthy's, and redeemed the

brilliants; I paid 30l. and interest—I produced the brilliants at the police, court, and they were taken possession of by the inspector who produces them to-day.

Cross-examined. I deal in diamonds—I am to be found every morning at 10 o'clock at the Angel at Islington, and from 11 to 12 o'clock, and sometimes till 1 o'clock, at Ye Bull in Bishops? ate Street—Kelly met me outside Devonshire Chambers—we went into the public part of Ye Bull, where lots of customers were—I am well known in the neighbourhood and respected—Kelly was in the old house of Attenborough's 16 or 17 years ago—he was afterwards manager of a jeweller's shop in Ludgate Hill—I have known him as a respectable dealer, and have bought goods of him many times—I took his word in reference to the brilliants—I have been 24 years in England; in this line of business 20 years—I have made advances to Kelly and trusted him with money and jewellery to the extent of 20l. or 30l. at a time—I know he has been trusted with some to the amount of 140l., which has been honestly accounted for—be did not attempt to conceal that the foods were not his own, and said "I pledged them for another party; I have the ticket to sell."

Re-examined. Most of my business is done in public-houses—in our line thousands of pounds' worth of jewellery are bought in the street at Hatton Garden—you may see it any day between 12 and 2 o'clock.

JOHN MARSHALL SPINK . I am assistant to Mr. John Spink, pawnbroker, of No. 2, Grace-church Street—on 11th October the loose diamond was pledged at our shop between 3 and 5 o'clock in the afternoon—I cannot recognise the man who pledged it—I have no recollection of saying that it was Miller at the police-court—it was redeemed on the 27th.

Cross-examined. I had not seen the man before he pledged the diamond—I could not say whether it was pledged by Kelly or who.

JOHN HEWSON STARLING . I am assistant to Mr. Spink, pawnbroker—the loose diamond was redeemed on 27th October for 7l. and 2s. 4d. interest by a stout man of middle height—I did not notice the features. I was thinking more about the stone—he was about Kelly's height and build—he was Mr. Aaron's height and build, but he is not the man.

BENJAMIN MORGAN (Detective E). I took Miller into custody at Lee Green on a warrant issued at Bow Street on 26th October about 8.30—he was identified by Mr. Weiby's manager, and charged—I searched him, and found this loose diamond and some pawntickets, chiefly in the name of Maitland; also this card: "Thomas Augustine Kelly, Licensed Victuallers' Guardian, Catherine Street, Strand," and these two 5l. Bank of England notes, 18l. in gold, and 8s. 10 1/2 d. in silver and bronze—I took him to Bow Street; there he made a statement, and was charged in due course.

Cross-examined. He was brought before the Magistrate about 10 or 11 a.m.—I do not know the time when the evening papers are first out—I did not communicate Miller's arrest to any one.

JOHN O'CALLAGHAN (Inspector E). I and another officer apprehended Kelly at his residence, Pomeroy Street, Peckham, on 31st October, about 2 a.m.—after knocking for a quarter of an hour I went up to his room—I saw him in bed; he said "What are you disturbing the place for at this hour of the morning?" I said "We are police officers; a man named Miller is in custody for stealing a quantity of jewellery belonging to Mr. Welby, and I find that you pledged some of the loose stones on Thursday

last at the Bull in Aylesbury Street "—he said "I do not know what you are talking about "—I told him to get up and dress, and while he was dressing he said "I admit I know Miller; I saw in the newspapers he was in custody, and I should have thought him the last person to commit such an offence"—after he left the house, and walking; along the road, Kelly said "How do you connect me with it?" I said" The notes you received from the pawnbroker were found on Miller when he was arrested, and he says he received them in payment for some loose stones sold the day of his arrest"—he made no reply to that—afterwards in the cab on the way to the police-station he said "I saw Miller a few weeks ago in the Strand; he was driving a cab, and he looked very bad; I hired him to take me and my wife to Ludgate Hill; before that I had not seen him for several months"—I took him, and he was formally charged.

Cross-examined. I had been to his house about 10 p.m.—the landlord opened the door—Berry, the other officer, did not say "Let the man get properly awake before you talk to him"—I understood Kelly was a canvasser at the Licensed Victuallers' Guardian—I did not know where he was to be found in the day—I did not go to the Guardian office—some editions of the evening papers are published at 1.

Re-examined. He was fully awake and his wife was up and dressed. HENRY ARTHUR ATTENBOROUGH. I know the prisoners—Miller was in my father's service previous to 1866, and Kelly in 1868.

Cross-examined. My father was satisfied with Kelly's honesty.

Witnesses for the Defence.

BENJAMIN MILLER . I have pleaded guilty to this robbery—I first saw Kelly in connection with this robbery on Wednesday, 25th October, at the Kent Road Station after calling for him at his house and seeing his wife—I said "Among some relics belonging to my wife I found an old buckle; I have broken the stones out of it and I wish to sell them; I want to get at much as I can for them, as I am about to start a laundry business; can you tell me where I can dispose of them?"—he said "Yes, I can, but I can get more for them myself than you can," but he said he had not time, at the present moment, but I pressed him very hard as I wanted the money, and he consented to go with me to London and sell them—we went first to a cafe at Hatton Garden—Kelly showed the diamonds there—then we went to two or three places in Clerkenwell—we went to Barnett's in the Circus and to Attenborough's in Newington Causeway—Kelly then said he had no farther time to spare, and I left him with the diamonds there to dispose of—I promised to meet him the next morning at his house, and I met him about 9—we went to different places till 11 o'clock; he then said he could not spare any time, but he might possibly be able to sell them for me—I said if he could not sell them he could appraise them; I wanted 40l.—I left them with him, and promised to meet him from 6 to 7 in Catherine Street—when I met him he handed me 20l. in gold and two 5l. notes—I did not give him a penny—on parting I asked him what I should give him—he said he should not take anything, though he wanted the money—I said "If you will accept this ticket for a single-stone diamond in pledge for 7l. it will make you a nice ring when mounted," and he accepted the ticket—I told him it came out of the buckle that was in my wife's family, and that I had pledged it a fortnight before, or something like that—I had seen Kelly

on the 4th October; I was driving a hansom—I told him I was starting in business—he gave me the job to take him, his wife, and three children to Ludgate Hill for 2e.—I have known him sixteen or seventeen years—I gave the diamonds to him because he was a dealer, and I could not dispose of them, and then I told him about starting a laundry business—I have five children—I have been manager of a dairy at Islington—Kelly had lived in the same neighbourhood.

Cross-examined. I was with Mr. Mould, a jeweller, of Birmingham, about 1868—I knew Kelly two years before that when he was at Attend borough's, and possibly he knew I was at Mr. Mould's—while there I pawned some things from Mr. Mould's—I stole them from him—I sent it direct to the pawnbroker's in London—I was charged, tried, and convicted, and sentenced to sir months' hard labour for the offence—I renewed my acquaintance with Kelly six, seven, or eight years afterwards—I was living at Lee—I knew he was jobbing in jewellery—I only knew he was employed for the Licensed Victuallers' Guardian from the card he gave me—I took a cab licence because I was in want—I pawned the earrings for 15l. with Mr. Biggs in the name of George Maitland, and the single stone with Mr. Spinks on 11th October in the name of Bright, giving the address 302, Old Kent Road—that is the ticket I gave to Kelly—I did not know Kelly had been in the habit of pledging at Barnett's—I trusted a man to dispose of the rest of the things, about 13 carats—he never came back—I do not know his name—he was pointed out to me twelve or eighteen months before that in the City, not at "Ye Bull," I do not know it;—I met him in the street at the Angel—he was nearly my own height, dark, with a slight beard and moustache—I met him the next day near Theobald's Road—I said before the Magistrate "I broke up the remainder; a man whom I met once before disposed of it for me; I met him in Theobald's Road; he was away for three hours, and only brought me back 30l. "—I met him twelve or eighteen months previous to meeting him at the Angel.

He-examined. I have written to Mr. Welby since the remand, giving an account of my connection with Kelly—the same account I have given to-day.

By MR. POLAND. I was in the service of the Friern Manor Dairy Company, Farringdon Street, in April, 1881—I stole money belonging to the Company—I absconded—I know a man named Seal—he was in the house after I was arrested—he was a tall, stoutish built man—he was known to Kelly—I authorised him to fetch the bag the police have—it is his bag—I had it when I went to Attenborough'a—he was staying in my house, and I borrowed it for the purpose.

JOHN O'CALLAGHAN (Re-examined). I saw Seal a fortnight ago, not at Kelly's arrest.

CHARLES BERRY (Detective E). I went with O'Callaghan when Kelly was arrested—I saw Seal in the house.

KELLY received a good character,

NOT GUILTY .

MILLER—GUILTY.— Five Years Penal Servitude.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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68A. THOMAS SIMMONS (35) PLEADED GUILTY to receiving a cheque for the payment of 200l., knowing it to have been stolen.— Two Years Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.—Friday, Dec. 8th; Saturday, Dec. 9th; and Monday, Dec. 11th, 1882.

Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.

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69. FRANZ FELIX STUMM (34) , Feloniously forging and uttering a deed purporting to be between Urban Napoleon Stanger and another with intent to defraud. Other counts for forging and uttering a receipt for 650l.

MESSRS. POLAND, SNAGG, and LITTLETON, Prosecuted; MESSRS. MONTAGI WILLIAMS and FILLAN Defended.

CHRISTIAN ZEUTHER . I am a German, I can speak English—I live at the Black Bull in Old Montague Street, Whitechapel—I was formerly journeyman to Mr. Stanger, at 186, Lever Street, St, Luke's—I was then as a journeyman before Mr. Stanger purchased the business in 1879—up to that time it had been carried on by Jacob Kents—Mr. Stanger carried on the business continuously until November last year—on Saturday evening, 12th November, I saw him at 5 or 10 minutes to 12 o'clock, at midnight—there were three other master bakers along with him, the prisoner, Mr. Kramer, and Mr. Lentz—Mr. Kramer has since died—I have seen Mr. Lentz since—the three did not come into the house—I heard him say "Good night" and the three went home, and he came into the shop—I did not see him again, I went to bed—I did not see him go to bed—my bedroom is on the second floor, at the top of the house—Mr. Stanger's was on the first floor—Mrs. Stanger was at home when he came in—besides Mr. and Mrs. Stanger only me and another chap named Peter slept in the house—Peter works for Mr. Lentz now—next morning I had a conversation with Mrs. Stanger, in consequence of which I went to the prisoner's house in St. John Street Road—he was a master baker there, and lived there with his wife—I first saw the prisoner's wife, and afterwards saw the prisoner—I told him that Mrs. Stanger wanted to see him, and to come down directly—he said, "I will be there directly"—I then went back, and shortly after the prisoner came, about 9.30 or 10 o'clock in the morning—I saw him there till 2 o'clock, and then from 7 o'clock in the evening till 12 o'clock—he stopped there that night—I did not see Mr. Stanger that day, I have never seen him since—on the Monday morning 1 saw the prisoner there, he was baking the bread, attending to the business—about half-past 4 o'clock I said to him, "How is the master?"—he said, "Very ill—he did not say where he was—the prisoner helped in the business from that day till I left in May this year—I afterwards went back again—he did not live in the house at first, he was always there in the night for the first few days—hewent home in the afternoon—he slept there at night, in the parlour—of course he had to help at night in the bake-house—Mrs. Stanger continued in the house—the shop was painted and the name changed from Stanger to Stumm—I think that was in April—I remember the prisoner being taken into custody—I was in Lever Street that evening, working there—Elizabeth Harvey, the servant, was there—we called her A lice—I saw her in the bakehouse about half-past 7 or 8 o'clock that evening—there was a gas lamp in the bakehouse—I saw her holding this paper (a mortgage deed) under the gas, to burn it; it was burnt as it is now—she was. obliged to go into the shop to serve customers, and she pushed it under the trough in the bakehouse—there was a space there under which it could be

pushed out of sight—first she pushed it with her hand—after she had served the customers she came back with a broom, and pushed it as. far down as she could—she then went back into the shop—I took it from under the trough, and looked at it—I saw Stanger's name on it, and I took it to Mr. Heinrich, who keeps a house of call for bakers.

Cross-examined, There were only two stories to the house, a first and second floor—there were two front rooms and two little rooms at the back—they were not all bedrooms; one of them they kept only for visitors-nobody but Peter and I slept on the second floor—there was nothing in the other room—there were only two rooms on the second floor—the last time I saw Mr. Stanger he was standing in the shop; Mrs. Stanger was standing behind the counter; that was about 5 or 10 minutes to 12—Peter was shutting the shop up—I was not in the shop, I was in the passage—those were the only persons in the house—the three master bakers were outside in the street when they said "Good night" to Stanger—I did not see them again that night—I heard nothing in the night.

Re-examined. After Peter had put up the shutters he came up to bed, about 10 minutes afterwards—I have seen Lentz lots of times since, but not for the last two months.

By the COURT. I did not see Mr. Stanger after he came in—I left him in the shop—I did not hear or see him go up to bed—the shop fronts the street—there is no parlour behind the shop; the bakehouse is behind the shop; the parlour is at the side of the shop—there is only one front door, that is the shop door; there is no private door; there is a door leading into the yard and the bakehouse—I did not hear Mr. Stanger go to bed that night.

CHRISTIAN HEINRICH . I am landlord of the Black Bull in Old Montague Street—I know the last witness; I saw him on 13th September he showed me this deed, it was in the same condition it is now, and he told me to take care of it and give it to Mr. Geisel if he came to my place—I afterwards handed it to Mr. Geisel.

JOHN MARTIN WARNS . I am a chemist at 65, Caledonian Road; no person named Charles Frederick Clark is living there—I went to live at that address in June last year—I do not know a Charles Frederick Clark, a brewer, in the neighbourhood—since then no such person has lived there—I knew nothing of the prisoner until I attended as a witness at the police-court, nor of Urban Napoleon Stanger, of Lever Street—I know nothing of the signature to this deed, "Charles Frederick Clark, 65, Caledonian Road. "

THOMAS LETOH . I am a flour factor, of 5, Buxton Street, Mile End New Town—I knew Mr. Stanger about 14 years; I had business transactions with him; I was in the habit of supplying him with goods—he usally paid me by cheque on the London and County Bank—I last saw him about a week or two before his disappearance—at that time about 117l. was owing to me for flour—I afterwards delivered some flour at the shop, making the amount 133l. 17s. 6d.—part of that might have been for flour delivered after the 12th—about a week after Mr. Stanger disappeared I called at the shop and saw the prisoner—I think it was about the Tuesday—I probably spoke to the prisoner—nothing was said about Mr. Stanger that I remember—I afterwards received payment for the 133l. 17s. 6d., I can't say who from, I think I received it at the shop; it was by a cheque on the London and County Bank; it was paid in to my bankers, and I saw nothing more of it;

it purported to be signed by Mr. Stanger; that satisfied my debt—the signature, "Thomas Letch," to this deed is not my signature; it is not an imitation of it, not at all like it—I know nothing of it, I never gave any one authority to sign it—until the inquiry at the police-court I knew nothing whatever of such a deed—I know nothing of a Mr. Charles Frederick Clark, of 65, Caledonian Road.

Cross-examined. Somewhere about 117l. was owing to me before the disappearance of Mr. Stanger—the flour was on order, it might have gone in afterwards—I received payment for the flour that had been supplied before Stanger disappeared and that which was supplied afterwards, after the prisoner managed the business.

PETER SCHROEDER . I live at 2, Virginia Road, Bethnal Green—I was a journeyman to Mr. Stanger—I last saw him on the Saturday night, I don't know the date exactly, I heard it was on the 12th, I can't say if it was November—at the commencement of my service I used to Shut up the shutters every Saturday night; in the week the shutters were not put up—I shut up the shutters on that Saturday night; Mr. Stanger was standing in the shop at the time; I can't say how long he had been there; I did not see how long he was there at that time, nor did I see afterwards how long he stayed, because I went to bed—I did not put out the gas and lock the door, that was not my duty—my belief is that Mrs. Stanger was in the shop when I went to bed, but for certain I cannot say.

Cross-examined. I put the shutters up—there was no lock to the door—I did not shut the door; I can't say whether it was open when I went to bed; I don't know whether it was locked or not; when I put the shutters up it was open, I can't say who shut it afterwards—my belief is that Zeuther came upstairs after me, I can't say for certain—I heard nothing in the night—I. came down in the morning at 9 o'clock—I went to the bakehouse, but not to make bread, on the Sunday.

Reexamined. I never saw Mr. Stanger afterwards—the prisoner came about 10 o'clock in the morning; he came from home.

JOHN GEORGE GEISEL . I live at 81, Fonthill Road, Finsbury Park—I am a flour factor—I was acquainted with Urban Napoleon Stanger—besides having business transactions with him I was also a private friend—I had known him since 1866—I was well acquainted with his handwriting—the signature to this deed of 5th October is not his; it is an imitation—I say the same of the signature to the receipt at the back—I last saw Mr. Stanger in the early part of November last year—before that he had been abroad, about August or September—I kept on supplying him with flour from time to time—there was an unsettled account between us—I called at 136, Lever Street about that time; I could not say whether it was that month—it was after 12th November, I think about 9th January this year—I saw the prisoner there—I asked him where Stanger was; he said he was ill—I asked what was the matter; he said he had broken a blood-vessel, and that he was 75 miles down in the country—something was said about the delivery of the flour; it might have been on that occasion, or perhaps later on, I could not say for certain—he asked me to deliver the flour that had been ordered by Mr. Stanger before 12th November; I think it was about 20 sacks—I promised to deliver them—I received by post this letter dated 9th January, 1882, signed" U. N. Stanger"—the envelope it lost—it had a German postage-stamp on it, and I believe it bore the Kreuznach

post-mark—I received it about the 11th or 12th—I had seen the prisoner at the shop in Lever Street shortly before, and he asked me why I had not sent Robinson's flour—I said as there was a difference in the accounts between Mr. Stanger and myself I would rather wait until he came back from Germany or would rather like to have a letter from him, and I asked for his address so that I could write to him on the matter—I could not exactly remember the answer, but I tried to get the address from him, and could not—it was not exactly a refusal, he kept talking the thing out; he said "Oh, it is not necessary;" if I wrote the letter and gave it to him he would enclose it in a letter that he was going to send that evening—I said I could pay the postage myself, or I could direct the letter myself, let me have the address—still I could not get it; his reply was "I will write him in my letter what you have said about the flour, and no doubt you will get an answer about it from him "—Kreuznach was mentioned at some conversation, but whether it was at that time or any other I hardly remember, it is so long ago—he said that Stanger was in Kreuznach; he said he had a case on there, some action or lawsuit or something—I asked him on one occasion how he was getting on with the action; he said "Oh, the b——fool would have been locked up or charged with perjury or forgery," or something to that effect, perjury I think it was "if I had not sent a telegram over to Germany "—I asked how that was; he said "He had made an affidavit in Germany in my name, and that was the cause of sending the telegram to him"—the sum in dispute about the settlement of account was very trifling, it may have been about 12s—this letter of 9th January is not in the handwriting of Mr. Stanger; the signature is an imitation—I thought when I received it that it was a genuine letter, but I have looked at it carefully since, and I have not the slightest doubt on the subject—this letter and envelope of 11th January, 1882, are not Stanger's writing; the signature is an imitation—a week or 10 days after. I saw the prisoner again at the shop in Lever Street—he asked me if I had a received a letter from Germany or from Kreuznach, I don't remember which—I can't say whether he said from whom, but he led me to believe it came from Stanger—I said "Oh, yes"—he then spoke about the sending of the flour, and I promised to send it—the letter complained about my not sending the flour, and hoped that by this time I would have delivered at least 50 sacks, and the prisoner said "Well, send them on at once," and I agreed to do so——I did not send it—about the end of February or the beginning of March the prisoner called at my place—he said that Stanger had borrowed 650l. of a man named Clark on mortgage, and he said he had had the brokers in and had to pay the 650l. to get the lease back and get the brokers out—he said "That 650l. and 300l. which I gave him to mind and to put in his safe he has gone away with"—some time in April I offered a reward for the discovery of Stanger, and advertised in the Daily Telegraph on 24th April—I endeavoured all I could to And him—I was one of the executors under his will, and Mr. Evans was the other—I communicated with the police-on 28th July this year Mr. Evans and I proved Stanger's will—the personalty was sworn under under 850l.—this (produced) is the original will containing Stanger's genuine signature—it is dated 28th July, 1881—the date of the probate is 20th July, 1882—this (produced) is a mortgage deed from Stanger to Gooderson of the other premises; it has Stanger's genuine signature.

Cross-examined. I had been at one time on intimate terms with both Stanger and Stumm—I no doubt said before the Magistrate "My friendly terms with the prisoner had ceased before Stanger was missing"—it had ceased to a certain extent—I also said "When Stanger disappeared my unfriendly feeling was stronger against the prisoner"—I suppose it is just about the same now—I acted for Stanger last September when he went to Germany—it is true that on his return I had 35l. of his in hand—I did not swear that I had Bottled up all accounts with him, and had no money of his—I will not swear that I did or did not say that I had settled all accounts with him; I might have done so, I can't remember—I had 35l. of his, I have never paid it—I might have said at the police-court "I made an affidavit that I had settled up the accounts; "I can't remember all that I said there; I don't remember—Mr. Evans is an intimate friend of mine, and has been for some time; he is a solicitor's clerk, he used to be with Ashley and Tee, perhaps six months ago, I can't say how long—he prepared the will, I believe; I did not instruct him to do so, Stanger did—he knew Stanger, I introduced him—he has not been convicted of fraud within the last few months; he is here—in the bankruptcy the trustee advertised the shop and business fur sale—I applied to the Court of Bankruptcy to restrain the sale, and the Court adjourned the sale, the trustee promising not to sell until the motion was heard—I cannot say whether on that same day I and Evans and six men took forcible possession of the premises and seized everything; it was the same day or a day or two after, before the motion was heard—we did not take forcible possession, we took nossession by instructions through counsel—the trustee applied to the Court to order us to leave the premises, and the Court ordered us to do so, and to pay the costs—I might have said before the Magistrate "I have known Evans ten years, we have been on most intimate terms; we consulted together a short time after Stanger had gone away; we have been consulting together ever since"—if it is there, no doubt I said it—we have seen each other pretty well every day since Stanger disappeared—I don't know that we wanted to charge the prisoner with murder; we wanted to find out where Stanger went to—I don't know that we ever mentioned about murder, only about the mysterious disappearance—we might have mentioned about it in conjunction with Mrs. Stanger having murdered him; I can't say for certain, I won't say anything—I never said so; the report was current—I never spread the report—I won't answer whether it is not my belief.

Re-examined. The only interest I have under the will is 10l. for my trouble as executor, and Evans the same—after Stanger's disappearance we proved the will and tried to realise the estate, so as to carry out the directions of the testator—at that time there were bankruptcy proceedings pending—the bankruptcy has since been annulled, so that we have now the control of the property, to carry out the testator's wishes—I cormmunicated with the police before Inspector Badky was called in to try and trace Stanger—he was called in it might be in March, I can't say exactly—I gave them all the information in my power so that he might be traced—I have never had a trace of him.

CHRISTIAN ZEUTHER (Me-examined by Ma. WILLIAMS). I think I left Stanger's premises in May, I am not sure—the prisoner and his wife and Mrs. Stanger were then living in the house—I can't remember whether it was at the end of March or the beginning ef April that Mrs. Stumm first came to live there.

SIMON MOLL . I am a German, and am a baker, living at 57, King Henry Walk, Kingsland—I knew Mr. Stanger 12 or 13 years—I last saw him at the beginning of November, 1881—he owed me 250l., which I had advanced in October, 1879, on the shop in Lever Street—the principal has never been paid; the interest, 5 per cent., was paid regularly every year—I called in Lever Street about the middle of November (there was no interest due then, it had been paid on 26th October, Mrs. Stanger brought it)—I then saw the prisoner and Mrs. Stanger—I asked the prisoner, "Where is Stanger?"—he said, "He is ill, he has gone into the country, about 76 miles down the country "—he said he had broken a blood vessel, he worked so hard—I called again in December; he then said he had had a letter from Mr. Stanger, that he was getting a little better, and he would not return this side Christmas—I asked if he had any doctor—he said, yes, there were two doctors—I saw him again on 26th December, Boxing Day, at the shop in Lever Street, and I told him about the money Stanger owed me—he said it was made between him and Stanger that he should pay me, and he promised to pay me in a fortnight—he said there was a mortgage made for 650l. on the shop on 5 th October, 1881, with one of the Freemasons that Stanger used to belong to, and it was to be paid off on the 5th of January, 1882—I called again about the middle of January—I asked if Stanger was better—he said he was gone to Kreuznach, and he was coming back about 28th January—I called again at the end of January, after the 28th, I saw the prisoner and Mrs. Stanger—I told the prisoner I wanted some money; I asked for the 250l., not for the full amount, but for 50l., and I received it in a cheque from the prisoner on 11th February—I paid it away—I do not bank—it was honoured—I afterwards received 25l. in gold from Mrs. Stanger on 6th April—I asked for more after that, but did not get any more—I then petitioned to have Stanger made a bankrupt—I always found the prisoner at Lever Street when I called, at first he was managing the shop.

Cross-examined. I petitioned the Bankruptcy Court because I could not get my money, that was the only reason—I have sworn "it was in consequence of Stanger's mysterious disappearance, to give the creditors an opportunity of examining Stumm, who it was alleged knew something of Stanger's mysterious disappearance"—I did not mention about the mortgage for 650l. before I was examined at the police-court, after the mortgage deed had been produced—I was not examined at the Bankruptcy Court—I was present—I made an affidavit—I heard Stumm examined there.

Re-examined. I made a statement at the solicitor's office—that is it it is dated 30th September—I believe I mentioned the mortgage deed there.

HENRY IMHOFF (Policeman) I am stationed in Commercial Street, Shoreditch—I have been acquainted with Stumm for some time in America—in May last I went to see him in Lever Street—he said the master bakers were making a noise about Stanger—he said, "I know nothing about Stanger"—the last time I saw him was on a Saturday night, when I went to his shop, when he told me that he had arranged to go out the following day, and that Stumm said it would be impossible for him to do so, as he had a lot of money at the house and he must leave somebody in charge of it; he said "Stanger told me that it will be all right if you bring it round to me, I will put it in my safe"—and he said, "I took the

money there and left him on a Saturday night; on a Sunday morning I was sent for to come to Stanger's shop and on arrival found Stanger gone Id also my money"—he said, "I then took possession of the shop—he mentioned a sum of money, 460l. or 480? and 200l., that he had drawn out of the bank, that, he said, he had left in Stanger's possession—and he said "I paid away a lot of money for Stanger that he was owing to different millers and other people;" he said, "They can't do nothing to me I haye papers to prove for what I have paid away he then went to a desk and brought an envelope with some parchment like this document in it—he opened the envelope and showed me the stamp; he said, "You see it is stomped all right; I just received it from my solicitors—he showed me several other papers that I did not take particular notice of; he showed me the deed, but I did not take particular notice the signatures he said it was a mortgage that Stanger had borrowed some money on the shop, and that he, Stumm, had to pay off.

Cross-eamined. I am not sure that this deed is the identical document ALBERT STEPHBN HATCHETT JONES. I am a solicitor of 47, Mark Lane—I knew Stanger eighteen mouths ago I acted as his sohcitor when he purchased the shop in St. John Street Road-about 22nd or 23rd November the prisoner came to my office with a lease of 136 Lever Street—he told me that Stanger had borrowed 650l. from Mr. Charles Frederick Clarke, a brewer, of 65, Caledonian Bead on 5th October, and that Stager had promised to give a mortgage to Clarke of 136, Lever Street and he asked how soon a mortgage could be prepared—I said he could have it next day—heasked how much it would be, and the costs were settled at five guineas—hecame in the afternoon and took away the ease I took the parcels and prepared the mortgage at once-toe original lease is dated 30th June, 1877—I sent the draft mortgage to Waterlow's and had it engrossed on stamped parchment-the prisoner came again the following day and asked if the mortgage was ready—I told him it was—hesaid "Stanger is busy and can't come; what will be necessary to have the deed executed?"—I filled up the attestation clause and told him he knew how to get the deed executed, he was to be careful to say "This is my act and deed," and the witness must attest where the attestation clause was and must sign the receipt he paid the five guineas and took the engrossment away with him—I saw him again in February or March, it may be fee 22no February—hebrought the same mortgage he said he had paid it off when it was due on 6th January and made arrangements with Stanger to buy the place, and he wanted to have this mortgage assigned from Clarke to himself I asked for the other deeds and found a covenant that there could be no assignment of the term without the consent of the original lessors—I said "The best thing to do is to have the surrender of this mortgage, and then we can get the consent from the original lessors to the property being assigned from Stanger to you" he gave me instructions to Lethal done, and I prepared the assignment of mortgage by endorsement from the mortgagee back to the mortgator and the recital that Clarke had received back his 650l. the money had been paid it was prepared as it is now with the attestation clause to it this is the deed; it brings back the property to Stanger—I do not know that this has been charged for, there was other business of his in the office he brought it back, with the surrender endorsed upon it I saw him afterwards about the assignment—the matter was left to Standing, the clerk.

Cross-examined. The document is useless—the property has been since sold to the prisoner—I was solicitor for the trustee in bankruptcy unil it was annulled—the accounts were investigated before the Registrar—I believe Stumm has paid over 700l. for Stanger on account of his debts—at the bankruptcy the prisoner never made any claim to the premises under any deed—the trustee advertised the shop for sale—it was sold by auction—the prisoner paid 875l. for it.

Re-examined. I was solicitor to the company—I know that the prisoner claimed that Stanger was indebted to him 1,500l. or 1,600l. in the Court of Bankruptcy.

CHARLES JAMBS WILDBRSHILL . I was clerk to the last witness in February last—the writing on the back of the assignment is mine—the deed was executed at the time.

JACOB PIROD . I am a baker, of 44, Wells Street, Oxford Street—I have known Stanger since 1866—he is a native of Kreuznach, in Germany—on 23rd January I went there and returned on 4th February—I saw Mr. Shallow, his legal agent—he gave me a letter for Stanger—I saw nothing of Stanger there—I inquired of several millers and tried but could not find him—about three weeks after my return I went to the shop in Lever Street—I saw Stumm—I had known him from a child; we both asked if the other had got any news and both said no—I said "Where is Stanger?"—he said "He is in Germany, I cannot say if he is in Kreuznach"—I said "No," then he said "Yes," and I said "No" again—he said" Yes, he writes a letter from there—I told him "No, he is not there, I had come from there, my father died and I went to the funeral"—then he said "If he ain't there I don't know where he is"—I said "Mind, Felix, the people talks rather funny about you"—he said "Oh, everybody had better mind his own business "—I said "Yes, that is right, only sometimes we cannot help minding other people's business as well"—I said Shallow had written six letters over here, three to Stanger and three to him, and could get no answer, and so he sent a telegram as well—he said "It was about that affair of that money; Stanger lent some man some money over in Kreuznach; Mrs. Stanger's father has got it in hand"—I said "Why don't you answer the letter to Mr. Shallow?"—he said he did not think anything about it, he did not think it was worth troubling over it—I asked him "Who belongs to the shop?"—he said "This man "—I asked him how much he gave for it—he said "A lot of money"—he said he gave the lot of money to Stanger—I asked him how much, but he would not tell me—I asked to see Mrs. Stanger—he said "She is ill in bed," and I could not see her—in August I went to Kreuznach again—I saw Shallow and Stanger's sister and brother—I could get no tidings of Stanger.

Cross-examined by MR. WILLIAMS. I was intimate with Stumm. OTTO BRADEN. I am a clerk to Messrs. Brontoff and Co., 3, Jeffrey Square, St. Mary Axe—Mr. Stanger was my cousin—he was about 85 or 36 years old—I saw him last in November of last year—about 4 p.m. on 12th November I saw him at his shop—about 1.30 the next day, Sunday, I was there—he was not there—the prisoner was attending to the business—I said to the prisoner "What is the matter that you are here attending to the business?"—he said "There was a nice affair on last night"—I asked him what it was—he said Stanger had beaten his wife and went afterwards away; he came to his house in St. John Street

about 3 or 4 o'clock, and called him; he came to the window and asked him what he wanted; Stanger had asked him to come down, and observing that he was not sober he thought that Stanger intended to make a joke, but alterwards he spoke with him to meet him on the evening of the same day, Sunday, at a public-house opposite Stumm's own shop—on Tuesday evening, about 9 o'clock, I went to Baker Street—I saw the prisoner again later in the evening—he told me he had not heard anything yet of Stanger—He asked me to go to a public-house near Aldgate, and to ask for Stanger, as if he went away and left his wife he certainly would be in this public-house to hide himself—I went there on the Wednesday night, but nobody knew anything about it there—I next went there on a Wednesday night—Mrs. Stanger was present—on one of the evenings I was there in the same week Mrs. Stanger and Stumm were present—Stumm said it would be very advisable to go through the millers' accounts to see how much money Stanger owed to the different millers—Mrs. Stanger fetched the account books from a desk in the shop—Mrs. Stanger had the keys and I took an unused book and wrote down the different amounts—there was a cheque-book—we found after this calculation there was a debt of 900l.—this is the book in which I wrote the different amounts in pencil—to the best of my belief some of the writing in this book is changer's.(The witnees was directed to mark the pages where Stanger'e writing appeared, and to turn down the pages where he was doubtful.)

Cross-examined by MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS. Stanger was imperfectly acquainted with the English language, and spoke broken English—he got others to fill up his cheques; I did it for him—I think I did not say all I have said here before the Magistrate—I went to the safe about eight days after Stanger disappeared—Mrs. Stanger told me to go and see what the contents of the safe were because she did not want to open it herself for the first time—she gave me the key—I found an envelope containing some papers and an old lease of a former shop in Cable Street, and some jewellery belonging to Mrs. Stanger—I have some doubts about the writing in the pages that are turned down.

HENRY RADKEY (Police Inspector). On 22nd or 23rd April I received instructions to inquire about Stanger—on 28th April I saw the prisoner at 136, Lever Street—I told him I was an inspector of police, that there were strange rumours about the disappearance of the former occupier, and as he was one of the most interested parties in it I wished to have from him a true statement of all the circumstances as far as he knew—he showed me over the premises, and afterwards made a statement, which I took down in writing at the time—I read it over to him; he said it was quite correct and signed it, but he altered one name; at first he said Mr. Jones, and afterwards altered it to Mr. Sharman—Sergeant Briers was with me—I got no trace of Stanger in London—on 24th May I went to Kreuzuach, one of the Rhine provinces in Prussia—I there inquired for Stanger, but got no tidings of him—I saw his relations and Mr. Hoffman, who gave me this letter of 11th January and this envelope—on 12th September I received a warrant for the prisoner's arrest—I saw him at his shop door in his shirtsleeves—I said "Mr. Stumm, I have come to arrest you "—I read the warrant to him—he said "All right, I will come; let me put on my coat first"—the warrant was for forging and uttering an order for the payment

of 76l. 15s.—he said "That was the cheque I told you about before"—at the station he asked to see the cheque—I showed it to him—he said "This is the cheque I endorsed in my shop and paid through my bank; I paid the money for it after I received the money for it myself"—I searched 136, Lever Street, the same evening about 8—I did not find there Stanger's pass-book or cheque-book—I found counterfoils of the prisoner's paying in slips and this old mortgage deed of February, 1873, and a will of a Mr. Kramer—I found that in the servant's bedroom in a large envelope—the prisoner is one of the attesting witnesses to, it—it seems to be the same writing.

Cross-examined. The first charge that was brought was forging this cheque, which had been paid through Stanger's bank, the clerk believing it to be Stanger's signature—I saw the prisoner write this, "Franz Felix Stumm"—I heard him say that he endorsed the cheque in his shop—I find on the back of the cheque "F.F. Stumm"—in my opinion it is in the same handwriting as the Franz Felix Stumm—I think the "U.N. Stanger" is in the same handwriting—the body of the cheque is similar to the prisoner's handwriting—I got these four letters and two envelopes from the prisoner's mother-in-law, Mrs. White or Knight, of St. James's Road, Holloway.

Cross-examined. The persons first instituting the prosecution were Geisel and Evans; after the first hearing it was taken charge of by the Public Prosecutor.

RALPH GREEN . I am a fishmonger, of 90, Central Street, St. Luke's—I attested this will at Kramer's house in his bedroom in the prisoner's presence—I saw this endorsement made by the prisoner; the attestation was made after the will was signed—the prisoner and myself attested the signature of Kramer.

HENRY BUTCHER . I live at 27, Mount Pleasant, Clerkenwell—I have seen the prisoner—I saw this document (marked B) written by the prisoner outside the shop in Lever Street.

GEORGE WILLIAM DANTER . I am a clerk in the London and County Bank, Shoreditch Branch—on 14th December last the prisoner opened an account there and signed his name in the book in the ordinary way, and paid in 503l. to his credit—I have from that date from time, to time seen him write several times—I know his handwriting well—I believe the English parts of these letters of 9th and 11th January are in his handwriting, I can't say for the German—I believe the envelopes also to be his—I have compared this small pencil paper with the others; I have no doubt they are in the same handwriting.

Cross-examined. I have been a bankers' clerk about six years—I see a good many different persons' handwriting—I believe all the endorsements at the back of this cheque are in the prisoner's handwriting—I don't think the signature "U.N. Stanger" is his writing—I believe one of the signatures of Clark on the deed to be the prisoner's hand-writing—I could not say whose the other is—I don't think they are both written by the same person—I do not think that the Urban Napoleon Stanger to this deed is the prisoner's writing.

Re-examined. I never saw Mr. Stanger write—I have a copy of Stumm's account from our books.

MR. JONES (Re-examined). Stumm has sold other property, and I prepared the deeds—that was completed on 31st October, 1881; that was

the St. John Street property—the lease sold for 400l., and I believe something else was paid for fixtures or stock or something.

GEORGE SMITH INGLIS . I have an office at 13A, Bed Lion Square, and am a lithographic writer—I have for many years been accustomed to examine handwriting and make fac-similes—I made fac-similes for the Lord Chief Justice in the Tichborne case—I have carefully examined the endorsement on Kramer's will, the endorsements on the cheque, this piece of paper with the pencil address, these four letters, and two envelopes—in my judgment they are all written by the same person—the letters of 9th and 11th January, and the envelope addressed to Hoffman, in my judgment are in the same handwriting as the others—the "Chas. F. Clark, 65, Caledonian Eoad," on the deed of 5th October is in my opinion in the same handwriting as the other documents—that attestation and the writing on the back of the will appear to be almost identical—the "F. F. Stumm,131, St. John Street Road/"the two envelopes marked 14A and 12A, appear to be almost identical—I have compared the signature of Charles F. Clark with the endorsement on Kramer's will, on the cheque, and the two envelopes, and in my judgment they are in the same writing—I have compared these with the signature of Charles F. Clark to the surrender, and in my judgment they are the same writing—the signature to the cheque and the signature of Stanger to the mortgage are in my judgment very much like the signature to the will, but the lines in the signature to the cheque are so very shaky in comparison with any signatures I have seen of Stanger's—the signature to the will, I think, is not written by Stanger—I have compared the signature to the cheque and the signature to the deed of 5th October, also the signature to the receipt; they are very dissimilar.

Cross-examined. I do not think they are written by the same person—I can't say that the signature to the cheque was written by a different person to the signature-on the deed—my opinion is that the signature to the cheque is a fair copy of the real man's signature—I cannot say whether the signature to the deed and that to the cheque were written by the same or different persons; on the cheque it is "U.N.," on the deed it is "Urban Napoleon"—in my opinion the same person who signed the cheque signed the deed, although they are very dissimilar—I do not believe that the same person who signed the cheque signed the will, from the shakiness of the hair lines of the capital letters—if a person had been drinking it would make the hand shake—this is the first time I have been examined as an expert in a Court of Justice—I knew Mr. Chabot—I have been told that he sometimes made mistakes.

GEORGE JAKES GREEN . I am chief clerk in the London and County Bank, Westminster branch—Urban Napoleon Stanger had an account there—I have made an extract from his account from 5th October, 1881, to 3rd January, 1882—on 12th November, 1881, his balance was 431l. 14s. 1d.—his account is debited with this cheque for 76l. 15s. On 3rd January; it went through the bank on that date—that reduced the debit to 11s. 7d.—this is the only cheque we have left of his; the others were given up with the pass-book—I can't say when it was last given up; it was between 7th or 8th December and the 31st of last year—I do not know who it was given to Cross-examined. He had banked with us two or three years. CHARLES ALBERT. I have looked over a translation of these letters of

9th and 11th January, and the envelope of the 11th—they are correct. (The envelope was directed to Mr. L. Hoffman, Stoltzenfelds, Rhine Province, Germany, and bore the Kreusnach post mark of 13M January, 1882. The letter was dated London, the llth January, and purported to be from Stanger, requesting Hoffman to forward any letters addressed to him, Stanger, to the prisoner at 136, Lever Street, and requesting him to post the enclosed letter, which was addressed to the prisoner, and stated that he should not return till the 27th or 28th.)

CHARLES LEGGATT BARBER . I am shorthand-writer to the London Court of Bankruptcy—I have before me the Bankruptcy proceedings in the case of Urban Napoleon Stanger—the date of the petition is 23rd May, and the adjudication the 25th—the prisoner was sworn and examined in the usual way on the 25th—I produce n transcript of my short-hand notes of his examination in support of the petition, and also on the 28th in support of the proof of debt—it is correct—four creditors only proved debts, the total debts being 1,860l. 18s. 3d., and that proved by the prisoner being 1,573l. 9s. 3d.—I don't think any statement of affairs was filed, the bankrupt not appearing—the bankruptcy was annulled by a decision of the Lords Justices on 17th November, on the ground that there was no proof that the bankrupt was alive.

Cross-examined. The other creditors are one whose name I cannot read, 11l. 16s. 6d.; Mumford, 96l. 5s.; and Maule, 179l. 7s. 6d.

GEORGE PHILIP LENTZ . I am a baker, of Whitecross street—I knew Mr. Stanger—I last saw him on Saturday, I believe, 13th November last year—I was with him and the prisoner in a public-house—I afterwards went with Stanger to his house; I saw him go in, and bade him good-bye and came away, and I have never seen him since—I can't exactly remember whether I went away from the house with the prisoner, or whether he stopped there—we parted near there and I went away.

Cross-examined. I am not able to say that the prisoner did not go away with me—we were all on friendly terms that night.

(Portions of the prisoner's examination in the Bankruptcy Court were read by sin. POLAND.)

Witness for the Defence.

ELIZABETH STANGER . I am the wife of Urban Napoleon Stanger—up to 12th November, 1881, I was residing with him in. Lever Street, St Luke's—he understood English—before 12th November he and the prisoner had been on terms of friendship—the prisoner has lent my husband money—I remember seeing some money pass between them on 12th November; it was in gold—excuse me, it was not the 12th when my husband left me, it was the 19th—he had lived with me on the premises up to the 19th—on the day of his disappearance the prisoner gave my husband the money—they wanted to go out together on Sunday, and the prisoner said he was frightened of his money, and my husband told him to bring it down, and he would keep his money in the safe, it would be safer there than in his own house—on the Saturday night, the 19th, my husband, the prisoner, and two friends came to the door; they wished my husband "Good-bye" at the door—neither of them came in with him—when they left my husband the shop was shut up, and we went into the parlour, and we had a few words—he was sitting in the parlour a little while, and I wont upstairs—hetold me he would leave me and he always had told me so—he went

upstairs into the bedroom—I was in the parlour—as he came down I went up and went to bed and went to sleep, leaving him in the parlour—I got up about 8 next morning—I did not see my husband, and I have never seen him since—I had no hand in making away with him-—I know nothing about his disappearance except what I have told you—I believe he is alive at this moment—I have signed his name many times with his approval—he was in the habit at times of getting people to fill up the bodies of cheques for him—the signature to this cheque for 70l. odd is my husband's—I don't know when I first saw that cheque after he disappeared—I don't remember that I have seen it until this moment—the body of the cheque is in another handwriting—my husband was sometimes in the habit of signing a cheque without the body of it being there, because he could not write the body of the cheque out—a gentleman named Schmidt wed to come to the shop; I don't know what he was, but my husband had done some business with him—I see the name of "Urban Napoleon Stanger" at the foot of this deed. I wrote it—I believe there were pencil marks which I wrote over—nobody was present when I wrote it; the prisoner was not present—the name of Thomas Letch and the address I had wrote by somebody, a person that used to come in the shop, I don't know her name—nobody else was there when it was written—I could not write English well, so I asked a person to write it for me—I believe there were pencil marks tracing the name before it was written—the prisoner was not present when it was written—I wrote the words, "Chas. F. Clark, 65, Caledonian Road"—to to the best of my belief there were tracings where that was—at the time I wrote these signatures on the deed I, of course, believed that my husband would return—I wrote those signatures because I thought to protect the business; I did not mean to do any wrong—I knew at the time that the prisoner had lent my husband money—I had no intention to defraud anybody.

Cross-examined. It was about 1 in the morning or a little after when my husband went up to his room—he stopped up about half an hour; I went up as he came down—that was about a quarter of an hour or twenty minutes later—that was the last I saw of him—when I awoke in the morning he was no where—I went in the parlour, and he was not there—he had said he would leave me—I don't know what for—he said when he had plenty of money he could go where he liked—I said, "What do you want to leave me for"—he said, "I have always told you I shall leave you, and I shall do so"—I did not see him go away—he left the keys of the desk and safe behind—the keys were all in the bedroom, on the floor, and I picked them up—three days after he was gone I found them on the floor of the bedroom—I had slept in the bedroom on those three preceding nights—his pass book was left behind—I did not see his cheque book that night—I have not got it—I have never seen it since—I don't know what money he had in his bank—I don't know where the counterfoil of the cheque is—I know nothing of the old cheque book—I believe the prisoner filled up the body of this cheque—I do not know when he filled it up; I cannot recollect—I know he paid the money—I don't know that he filled it up—I don't know any of the writing at the back—Mr. Charles Smith has come in the shop when my husband was there—I last saw him a few months before my husband left—my husband never told me who he was—I heard my husband call his name—he did not always say "Charles Smith;" I heard him say "Smith"—I did

not hear him say "Charles Smith"—I heard him speaking to a man he called Smith—he had done some business with him—I don't know whether he had sold him flour—I knew nothing about Smith's business—I don't know where he lived—I can't say anything more about him—that was the only time I saw him—when he came for his money I did not see him; I was not there—I did not see him more than once, but he came to the shop twice—I wrote the name "Urban Napoleon Stanger" to this deed—I saw it in Lever Street—it was there—I first saw it after my husband left—a little while after; I could not tell exactly—it might have been a week or a fortnight—the prisoner did not show it to me—I first saw it in the safe—I had the key—I used to have the keys—I did not put it in the safe—it must have been in the safe—I don't know how it got there; it must have been there before I had possession of the keys—I had possession of the keys three days after my husband was gone—I did not keep them in my possession—I went away a little after Christmas—I kept them till I went away—I took the deed out of the safe, I did not read it—I signed my husband's name to it, because I heard him say to the prisoner that he was going to make a mortgage for the money he owed him, and I thought this would be the paper, that made me sign it—I could always write like my husband—I did not write his name on any other part of the deed—I don't know who wrote the receipt at the back; I only wrote the bottom one—I am positive of that—I only wrote the one, not the other—I wrote "Charles F. Clark, 65, Caledonian Road "—I had it wrote in the shop by somebody who came in, a man, because I could not write it—I did not know the man—I asked him if he did not mind to write that name down for me, as I could not write it well—I told him the name "Charles F. Clark" as it is here—I told him to write "65, Caledonian Road"—I did that because I thought it would be better, to protect the business, as it has been—I thought it had been in the paper before—it was done across the counter, in the open shop—I can't tell the day—the man was a customer who came in for bread—I did not think I was doing wrong, or else I should not have done it—that was done before I had signed my husband's name to the deed—he did it at once; he did not say anything to me—the man did not know what it was—I had the other signature, "Thomas Letch," done about the same time, the same day—that was done by a girl who used to come into the shop to see me—I believe it had been done in pencil, so I could see what was to be done—the girl used to come into the parlour sometimes to see me—she did it in the parlour—I don't know her name—it is Mary; I don't know her other name—I asked her if she would write that down for me, as I could not write it well—she wrote "Thomas Letch, flour factor, Lower Buxton Street, Mile End"—she did not ask why I wanted her to sign it—I could not tell whether "Charles F. Clark" was there then; I did not notice—I do not know who wrote that—I see it now for the first time—I have not noticed it before—after the person signed the deed I left it in the parlour, and the prisoner took it afterwards, I don't remember whether it was the same day or two or three days after—I don't remember the day of the month, or the month—I don't know whether it was December; to the best of my belief it was—I don't exactly know how long it was after Stanger went away; I should think it was about a month after—I left the house in the beginning of March—I don't know who put the pencilling on this parchment—I do not know Mr. Jones, the solicitor—I don't know who got the parchment

prepared—I heard my husband talk about making a mortgage for the prisoner for the money he had lent him—whether it was this I don't know; I did not read it—the prisoner never told me that he had been to Mr. Jones and got the parchment prepared—I do not know how much money my husband had in the bank when he went away—I had nothing to do with drawing it out after he had gone—the weekly takings in the business were about 65l. to 75l.—I have took that in August or September last year—the prisoner and my husband went abroad together—I can't tell the date they returned; I believe it was the end of August—they came from Kreusnach—they are both natives of Kreusnach—after my husband went away this time the prisoner managed the business—I left all the business matters to him—he was at Lever Street—he went home, he did not exactly live there, he slept there—he stayed in the daytime, but not in the afternoon, he went away in the afternoon—I have been married 13 years—I had a child on 6th October this year; that was my only child—I wrote these letters—the prisoner wrote this direction, "F. F. Stumm, 136, Lever Street, St. Lukes "—I wrote the word u Address"—the prisoner wrote the whole of the address "Mr. L. Hoffman"—the prisoner was not present when I wrote the letter—I done it for the best I—I thought I was doing it for the best, for the creditors to get their money—I fastened the envelope up—I did not enclose any letter in it, I am sure of that—the letter says, "Put this letter in the post, for the Suabian need not know where I am; for I have already lost enough through such scamps"—I wrote that—I did not enclose a letter; I cannot explain it, I don't know the meaning of it—u the Suabian "means Hoffman—I don't know who I meant when I wrote that—1 could not tell whether I wrote it of my own accord, or. whether it was dictated to me—it was not dictated to me by the prisoner, I done it on my own account; I don't know what it means—I introduced the name of the Suabian because Mr. Geisen owes me a lot of money; I suppose that is what it means—I meant him when I wrote those words—1 wrote the letter of 9th January, including the signature of my husband—the prisoner was not present when I wrote it—the "dearest George" means Mr. Geisel—I only wrote those letters—I do not know anything about other letters.

Re-examined. When the prisoner came of a night it was for the purpose of superintending the baking—I was not there when Mrs. Stumm came to live there, I went away in March—I came back three or four months before Christmas—I lived then with a friend of mine—I was not living with the prisoner, he was living with his wife—he is not the father of my child—before I signed this deed it looked to me as if it was done in pencil—I put only one signature on it—the prisoner and my husband's nephew went to the safe together, I believe the following week after my husband disappeared—my husband when he was at home always had the keys in his pocket; after he disappeared I had them in my pocket—I did not know where the lease of the premises was—I was taken up on a warrant and put alongside the prisoner, and charged with forging the cheque; and then I was discharged on my own recognisance.

By the COURT. My husband had frequently threatened to leave me some time before, a long time before he went—he never had rone away from me—I don't know why he threatened to go away—he always said he would leave me—we were on friendly terms, but he was very hasty, and the least thing would make him turn—I asked him what he was

going to leave me for, he said he could get on better without me—we quarrelled that night, as I was cross because he stopped out so late—I had not been out that night—the prisoner, Kramer, and Lenz came home with my husband—my husband had the keys of the safe that night; that I am sure about—we had no servant; a woman came in and done the work every day; she attended to and cleaned my bedrooms—I found the safe-key under the bed; I have not got it here; I don't know where it is—I did not open the safe by myself—when I found my husband had gone on the Sunday morning I went to make inquiry about him—I told the people that came in the shop, his friends—I did not go to the police; I wanted to go, and they told me not to go—my husband's nephew told me so; he came to the shop that morning, but I did not speak to him that morning—I did not go to the police to try to find him—I have only seen Mr. Smith once; I don't know whether I should know him again—I have not been anywhere to inquire about him; I did not know who to ask—his Christian name is Charles—I only know that by this paper, the deed; the cheque, I mean—I did not know his name was Charles till I saw it on the cheque—I never made any inquiry about where he lived or what business he was carrying on—my husband never told me much about the business; he never let me do much; he had books, but always kept them locked up in the desk—I have known the girl I speak of a long time; she had been a customer of mine; not for several years; I have not been there several years, only about 12 months—she did not come into my parlour very often—I asked her to come in as a friend—I never asked her where she lived—I did not know her name; as the name was done in pencil I thought it was better to do it—I thought it would protect the business for the creditors, that the creditors could not come and take it; I mean to protect the business against the creditors.

GUILTY .— Ten Years' Penal Servitude.

OLD COURT.—Tuesday, Dec. 5th, and Wednesday, Dec. 6th, 1882.

Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.

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70. EDWARD LAWERNCE LEYY (58), DANIEL LEVY (28), HENRY LEVY (26), JOHN BROWN (38), and FREDERICK JOHN KINGWELL (35) , Unlawfully conspiring to prevent the due course of law by suborning persons to commit perjury.

SIR H. GIFFARD, Q. C., and MR. BESLET Prosecuted; MR. POWELL, Q.C., and MR. BIBON appeared for E. L. Levy; MR. DIGBV SEYMOUR and MR. DARLING for Henry Levy; MR. FULTON for Daniel Levy; MR. CHARLES MATHEWS for Kingwell; and MR. GEOGHEGAN for Brown.

CHARLES HILL . I was examined at Guildford in July last as a witness on the trial of Hall. The South Eastern Railway Company—that was an action for negligence by a collision alleged to have occurred on 1st March—I had not seen the accident—I heard of it about a month before the trial from a Mr. Farmer—two or three days after I met Farmer he and I met Kingwell near Aldridge's—Farmer said "Here is Charley Hill," and Kingwell said to me "Do you want to be on the job?"—I said I did not understand what it was about—he told me it was a trap that met with an accident in the Waterloo Road with one of the South Eastern Railway vans; that an omnibus was standing at the

corner of York Road, letting down passengers, and a cab was passing the head of the horse, and the trap was coming out of Stamford Street, the bus standing there prevented him from crossing to go to the Waterloo Station; that he pulled up at the rest in the middle of the road, the South Eastern van was coming from Waterloo Bridge racing Carter and Paters; n's van, and was going at a great speed; it being rather slippery he could not pull up; that the horse slided, and the van caught the trap under the seat where the driver was sitting and upset it; that King well took the driver over to the doctor's and afterwards to the hospital—if I was asked if I knew the man who took him I was to say I did not, but he was a big man, and if the case was won there would be a sovereign a day—we said we did not understand the case, and King well said "Well, come over to my house and I will show you," and we went to his house in St. Martin's Lane—he said "Have you got a piece of paper? and I will draw a plan so that you can see"—I said "No, but I have got a pocket-book," which I gave him, and he drew this plan in it" (produced)—I tore this leaf out afterwards and gave it to Mr. Bendall, of the South-Eastern Railway Company—Farmer said to Kingwell "I do not quite understand it now, Fred "—Kingwell called him to the window and said" Look here, why you are like a chump of wood, you do not seem to understand the case at all; do not you see it as plain as possible 1 here is the trap, here is the van, there is Carter and Paterson's van, there is the 'bus," and so he described it all—I will show you by the book—he said "It is as plain as possible; the van was racing down from Waterloo Bridge, a 'bus was standing opposite the Waterloo Hotel, a cab was passing the horse's head, the trap was obliged to pull up at the rest through the 'bus and the cab being there, the South-Eastern van coming down at such a pace that the driver could not pull up his horse in time, or else there was plenty of room for him to pass in the rear of the van, caught the trap under the driver's seat, and upset them, and took them to the doctor's "—he repeated what he said before, and said "Here is York Road, here is the agent's, there is the doctor's, and it is quite plain for you to understand "—then we walked towards Long Acre, where we met E. L. Levy—Kingwell said to him "Here are two gentlemen, witnesses for Hall"—Mr. Levy bowed and gave Kingwell some money—Kingwell took us to a public-house and treated us, and then said "I must be off, I have got to go to Walworth,"so we wished him good-day and came away from the public-house—after that we went into Mr. Levy's office, at 3, Long Acre—the name on the door was Micklethwaite and Co.—we went in and saw E. L. Levy—it was about 2.30, and about an hour after I first met Farmer—Levy said "You gentlemen have come to make a statement in the case of Hall v. The South-Eastern Railway"—Farmer said "Yes, we have," and made the statement as Kingwell had told him, and Mr. Levy corrected him in several things—we sat near the fire, Mr. Levy was walking about the room, and a boy took down the statement from Farmer—when Farmer got to the part where the van ran into the trap Farmer said that the horse in the trap was leaning on the posts of the rest, and E. L. Levy said that it must have been farther than that because there was plenty of room for the van to pass between the rear of the trap and the kerb—he spoke principally to Farmer, and Mr. Levy asked the boy to read over what he had written down, and he corrected the boy and told him what to put down; it was slightly different—he said "I remember

the horse's head in that position,"and E. L. Levy said" No, it could not have been; there was plenty of room for the van to go to the rear of the trap"—the boy read it oyer to Mr. Leyy, who corrected it, and told him to put down that the trap was farther on the rest—Farmer then went on with Mr. Levy's assistance—he corrected him in several things, I can't say what, and he said "You be careful, now, and don't make any mistake"—he wrote down something at the bottom of Farmer's statement, and said "Will you sign here, Mr. Hill?"—this is my signature. (The statemen t was put in and ready signed"Chas. Farmer" to which was added," Chas. Hill. I was with Charles Farmer. His statement is perfectly correct—C. Hill") We both went home, and next morning we met King well in St Martin's Lane—I asked him when the trial was likely to come on; he said that it would not be long, and he would let me know—I said "I don't want to get into any bother about it;"he said "You won't get into any bother, it is the clearest case ever known, most of the chaps who use the Glasshouse are going down as witnesses"—that is a beerhouse in Stamford Street—I afterwards got a letter from 3, Long Acre, saying, "The case is down for first on Monday, and you must meet our clerk at Waterloo Station at 9.15 to catch the 9.30 train"—I did so, and Henry Levy met Kingwell and I at Waterloo Station—he gave me a ticket, and we got into the train with Daniel, Henry, and the boy Levy—Kingwell went in another carriage—we went down to Guildford—Mariner, Parkinson, Dudley, and Brown were in the carriage with us, but Farmer was not—I saw Kingwell at Guildford he said "Come along, here you are, this is the place,"and took us into the bar of a public-house—he took some of our witnesses upstairs, and said "Go along upstairs, the dinner will be ready directly"—I stopped downstairs and met Mr. Hall, who asked us to have something to drink—he said "Your health, gentlemen, I hope we shall win the case"—after that Kingwell said that the dinner was very nearly ready, and I went up and had some, after which Henry Levy brought out a long piece of paper or a plan, and said "Now, you chaps who don't quite under-stand, come round and I will show you, so that you don't make any mistake when you get inside"—some of them went round and looked at it, and I sat by and smoked until I was called into the Justice Hall—he explained it to them, and told them how it happened—there were quite 20 of them—this was a public-house, but it was private to us that day—when I went into Court Mr. Hall, the plaintiff, was examined in my presence—I went in and out once or twice—Daniel and Henry Levy were in Court—I gave evidence, and swore that I had seen the accident—that was false—I remained in Court till Mariner was examined—Daniel and Henry Levy came up to town in the train with me that evening, and they both said that Mariner had upset the trial and spoiled the lot—I received 5s. next morning from E. L. Levy, who said that it was all through Mariner, or else the trial would have been won.

Cross-examined by MR. POWELL. I have been living at Ashford eight days, and came up last Friday, and I had been there before for five days—I can't say in what month I went there first—I never take notice of months or anything else, but I think it was in October—Mr. Bendall took me there; he is connected with the South-Eastern Railway Company—Farmer, Parkinson, Dudley, and Mariner were there with me, and others whom I do not know—we were eating and drinking for eight days—I don't know

who provided for us—we were not all in the same house except in the daytime—I am married, and have a family—my shop supported them during my absence—it is a chandler's shop—lie second time we went down was on the very Monday we were summoned up here—we came up to go before the Grand Jury, and went down again afterwards and stayed eight days—my wife attended to my business—I enjoyed myself very much—Mr. Bendall was not in charge of us all the time; he took us to the hotel, and said "Give these men what they want"—he took us down the second time—there was three or four weeks' interval between the two times—I was at home in the interval, but did not see Mr. Bendall or anybody from the railway—the same persons were not with me the second time—Dudley, Parkinson, and Mariner were there—Farmer spoke to me first; he was at Ashford, but only on the first occasion—he had not charge of us after Bendall went—I went to Kingweli's house because Fanner and I met him together—Farmer had said nothing about the accident before that in my presence—I knew nothing about it—Kingwell was the first person who spoke to me about it, but I believe he did not do so till alter we met Kingwell—I said before the Magistrate "About a month before the trial I first heard of the accident, when Fanner first told me about it"—1 believe that was true—the first man I heard it from was Mr. Farmer certainly, but I said Kingwell just now because you led me up in such a way—after we had been to Kingweli's house we three went to Long Acre—I had this pocket-book in my pocket, it was then whole—I tore a leaf out before Mr. Vaughan at Bow Street, relating to a cumu-lative bet, as I did not think he would like to see it, and it had nothing to do with the case—I did not think it Would damage my evidence—I do not believe Mr. Bendall's name is written in the book—yes, here it it, "Mr. Bendall, Ashford Station, Sooth-Eastern Railway "—that is my writing—I do not know why I made that entry—Mr. Bendall lives at Ashford—about a fortnight before my examination at Bow Street I met Mariner—he said "Where have you been all this time, Charley?" I said "I have been home "—he said" The South-Eastern people want to see you;"I said "Why?" and he gave me Mr. Bendall's name—I am not a betting man—I had five bets on one leaf to the amount of 2s. and they all came off—we went towards Long Acre, and met E. L. Levy, and Kingwell said "Here are two witnesses for Hall"—he bowed to me as a stranger—he said that he was going on business, and told Kingwell to take us into a public-house and give us something to drink, which he did, and then suggested that we should go to Mr. Levy's office, which we did, and met him there, and Farmer made a statement which I knew was all lies—this is what was written down, and I signed my name to it, but I did not know what was written—he told the boy to write something, and asked me to sign it after Farmer had signed it—he did not first say "You have heard what Farmer has said"—the boy was not connected with either of the Levys—I did not hear what he said to the boy—I knew that Farmer's statement was not correct, but I signed it because I had been induced by Kingwell—he had promised me some-thing, but I did not get it—I believe after Farmer made his statement Levy said to me "You say the same thing?" and I said "Yes"—I believe I told Levy that what Farmer said was true—it was about a month after that that I went to Guildford, and after having had a month to think of it, and taking a solemn oath to tell the truth, all I said was a lie—Levy told the boy to put down about the trap being on the rest.

Cross-examimd by MR. SEYMOUR. I was cross-examined at Guildford as to where I stood in the street, and all about it—I did not hear Mr. Levy say at Guildford that Counsel wanted a plan, or anything about drawing a plan for Counsel; I will swear that nothing of the kind occurred—I did not see the plan laid on the table or see pink and yellow colours on it—I know there was a plan of the rest in the middle of the road, I saw that as I left the table—I think it was in pencil—I have not said that the evidence I gave was true—it was a long time after, the Guildford trial that I met Mariner.

Cross-examined by MR. FULTON. I don't believe I had any conversation whatever with Daniel Levy about the case till after the trial.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. I saw Brown at the Glasshouse beerhouse—I had told Bendall that what I said was false, and he asked me to make a statement—I told Brown I had seen Bendall, but I did not tell him that if he made a clean breast of it it would save a good deal of bother—he said, "I don't want to hear any more about it now "—Brown said, "What I hare told you is the truth, and I shan't alter my state-ment "—he repeated that to several people.

Croee-examined by MR. MATHEWS. Farmer and I are old work-fellows—hespoke to me first—I have known Kingwell some years, but Farmer introduced me to the case—I have said "I was walking with Farmer three weeks before the trial, and Farmer introduced King well"—King well said to Fanner "Well, Charley, have you thought about that job?" he said "Tes, I have, and here is Charley Hill as well"—he did not say "Here is Charley Hill, who had something to do with the accident in Stamford Street, nor have I said so, I believe there must have been some mistake of the reporters at Bow Street—my deposition was read over to me before I signed it—I did not correct that phrase because I am not used to this kind of thing—I might have mentioned at Guildford about the big man—it was previous to the plan being drawn that the expression was used "You are like a chump of wood "—Farmer was with me at Ashford eight days.

Re-examined. I did not say to Brown at the Glasshouse "You had better make a clean breast of it;" I said "I have seen Mr. Bendall, of the South-Eastern Railway, and he knows I did not see the accident, and I am not going to make any different statement"—he said "I don't want to hear any more about the case, you mind your own business "—some one had said before that "Jack, if you did not see it, you had better make a statement to that effect"—I did not go to Ashford before giving my evidence before Mr. Yaughan—I had received 5s. from the prosecution on the Monday when I went up to the office and the statement was read over to me, and 5s. afterwards at Bow Street—I think that was all I received—I did not know that I was going to Ashford—I had only been a witness once before, when a boy stole my till—I said to Kingwell "They are sure to ask me who took the man to the hospital"—he said "Well, say it was a big man, and you don't know me "—it was the office boy who wrote the lines above my signature, the elder Levy told him to do so, and said to me, "You say the same thing," or something about the foregoing statement being correct, and then I signed it without reading the words—I can read.

By the COURT. The boy read over what he had written, to the elder Levy, who told him to make a correction, but that does not appear here

—I do not remember saving in the early part of my examination "Levy wrote something at the bottom and asked me to sign and I did "—Levy did not write it himself, he told the boy to write it; if I said so I should have said Levy's clerk—it is at the end of the statement, though not at the bottom of the paper—these two pieces of paper are in my writing—it is not five bets, but five horses, an accumulative bet—I believe these names are all the names of horses—here is another list of horses on the other side, and here is another—I should not like to say that I had not bets on all those horses—each page represents about eight bets; they are certainly records of bets which I have made—I believe this pencil writing "They might have me for perjury," is mine; I wrote it for Farmer, in a public-house, so that other people should not hear what I said—I should not have put that down if I had known I had been coming here—that was after the trial at Guildford.

CHARLES FARMER . I live at 46, Stamford Street, Blackfriars, and am a barman—I was not present on March 1st when an accident took place between a South-Eastern van and Mr. Hall's trap—I first heard of it about a month before the trial, when I met Kingwell accidentally in St. Martin's Lane, about midday—I had known him for years—he said "Halloa, Charley"—I said "Halloa, Fred"—he said "Do you want to be on a job that I have got on hand?"—I said "I don't know; what is it?"—he said "It is a trifling affair; it is simple enough; there was an accident in the Waterloo Road between a South-Eastern van and a gentlemen's trap, and the South-Eastern van knocked the trap over and injured the gentleman who was driving it"—I said "I don't know, I will see," and we said "Good day"—about two days afterwards Hill and I met Kingwell at the top of St. Martin's Lane; he said "Have you thought anything; more about what I was speaking to you about?"—I said "No, but here is Charley Hill"—Kingwell said "There was a South-Eastern van coming down Waterloo Road, which looked like racing with one of Carter and Paterson's vans, and when he got to the corner he ran into the trap an I knocked it over "—he said that the trap was standing at the obelisk in the Waterloo Road, coming from Stamford Street—I said "I don't properly understand it now"—he said "It is simple enough, it is as easy as the nose on your face; if you don't understand it, come with me over to my house and I will explain it to you better"—Hill and I then went with him to his house, in Castle Street, and he said "Have you a piece of paper?"—I said "No "—he asked Hill for a piece, and he tore a leaf out of his pocket-book and drew the plan of the accident on it, and said to me "There, there is the trap coming down the road, and there is the cart coming from Stamford Street," and pointed out how the accident occurred—I said "I don't seem to understand it"—he said "Why, you seem like a chump of woud; you don't understand it at all," and showed us again that the cart was coming down the road at a racing pace, racing with one of Paterson's vans, and when he got to the corner lie could not stop, and ran into the gentleman's trap and knocked it over; that is simple enough—I said no more—Kingwell said "You must go to the solicitor's office and make your statement out there as if you saw the accident"—Kingwell and Hill then went to a public-house at the end of Long Acre—I think Kingwell said in the parlour that the gentleman had broken or fractured his arm, and if we won the day we should have 1l. a day, and

if we lost we should have 10s. a day—Hill and I walked to Long Acre—we saw E.L. Levy outside, who said that he could not see us till 4 o'clock we said that we could not stop—he said "Wait half an hour and I will be back"—he gave Kingwell some money and we went to a public, house and had a pot of ale, and then went to 3, Long Acre and waited in the office till Levy returned—he said "Come in, and we went into his private office—he said "What is your business?"—I said "We have come on an accident between a South-Eastern railway van and Hall's trap, in the Waterloo Road"—be said "Yes, now tell us how it occurred?"—I said "There was a South-Eastern van racing down the Waterloo Road with one of Carter and Paterson's vans, and there was a gentleman's trap crossing Stamford Street to the York Road, and he could not get across as there was an omnibus and some cabs coming up the Waterloo Road, and the South-Eastern van ran into the trap "—I was a little worried because I did not properly understand what I was saying—he said "Was not there room for the South-Eastern van to come at the end of their trap?"—I said "Perhaps there was "—he said "Now come, let us have it over again so as we shall have it correct "—I said "Very well"—her said "Was not the trap standing farther in the road?"—I said "No, the horse's head was on the post "—he said "Oh, no, that won't do, the trap must have been farther in the road to have allowed for the South-Eastern van to have passed behind if he had thought proper "—he then said "Did you see the gentleman injured?"—I said "No "—a young man was writing it down as I repeated it, and he stopped writing when Mr. Levy corrected me—before anything was written I said that the van was coming down at a terrible space, and Levy corrected me and said" speed "—after it was all written down it was read over and I signed it—this is it—Kingwell was not present—I then left with Hill—I did not go down to Guildford—I met Kingwell the week after the trial, at Lewes Races and said "Hallo, Fred, how has the trial gone?"—he said "Charley Mariner has squashed it"—he did not explain in what way—he left me and went to work in a booth on the racecourse—I was acting as waiter—I was at Guildford when the trial was on at Guildford—I have not received any money.

Cross-examined by MR. POWELL. I had 2l. from the South-Eastern Railway altogether, but nothing from the Levys—I was at Ashford fire days and three days, and was boarded and lodged by the South-Eastern Railway and doing nothing—I first communicated with Mr. Bendall about a month after the trial—I have not had a little drop of gin with him, nor has he treated my friend to brandy and cigars in my presence—I have known Hill some time, and introduced him to Kingwell, who said that he had a case in hand, and I thought it was a genuine case because he said it was all right and simple enough—I introduced Hill to Kingwell in order that he might state in Court that which I knew to be a lie—Kingwell made a detailed statement to make me understand it before I went to the solicitor, so that I might make a plain straight-forward statement such as a solicitor would be likely to believe, and a plan was drawn that I might not make a mistake to the solicitor—Hill said that Mr. Levy said "I can't attend to it now; I will see them about 4 o'clock;" if he has said to the contrary that is untrue—Hill said "We can't wait till 4," and Mr. Levy gave Kingwell the money to give us some drink, but Kingwell did not keep us there till 4 o'clock—

Hill heard E. L. Levy say "Did you two gentlemen see the accident in the Waterloo Road?" and we both said "Tes"—that was untrue, and said for the purpose of deceiving—I was a little flurried in making my statement; I did not read it straight off the reel, and Mr. Levy had to ask me what I meant, and it was entered down as I corrected it—I did not go to Guildford, because I went to Goodwood Baces on let August—they commenced on Tuesday, and the trial at Guildford was on Monday—I never saw Mr. Bendall till a month after the trial—I did not go to Guildford after coaching Hill, because I knew I should get into trouble, and I thought he knew better than to go; he is old enough to know—I was present when Hill produced his pocket-book to King well—I had Been it before; he has shown it to me several times, but I cannot say whether he did so between then and my appearance at the police-court—I cannot call to mind whether he wrote anything in it and showed to me; if he did it was not of importance, or it would have impressed my mind—since I was at Kingwells house Hill has shown me his pocket-book with writing in it relating to horse-racing, but I do not remember his showing me any writing in it or out of it with the word "perjury" in it—he may have done so and I have forgotten it—he did show me these two leaves (Those with the bets), and these three or four lines-which say "They might have me for perjury "—I had forgotten that—I should think the perjury related to his going to Guildford to give evidence—he wrote that after the trial—I think it was in the Glasshouse—I pushed it on one side, and said "Don't bother me with your nonsense "—I knew that he had committed perjury, but it did not concern me—I should have committed perjury if I had gone to Guildford, and I introduced him to Kingwell in order that he might go to Guildford and swear that he had seen the accident when I knew he had not—I said that it was nonsense because I did not want to hear anything about it—I thought the case was dropped—I do not know why he could not say "I shall be had for perjury" instead of writing it—the bar was full of people.

Cross-examined by MR. MATHEWS. I have been at Ashford eight days since I gave evidence before the Magistrate.

Re-examined. He drew the plan after calling me a chump of wood, and he used language to the same effect when Hill and I met him in the street—I went to Goodwood on Sunday; the trial began on Monday and the races on Tuesday—I did not intend to give the statement on oath which I signed, as I did not know I was going to do so wrong as I was going to do—my conscience told me it was wrong after I heard how the base was going on, and how they were getting witnesses—when I went to Guildford on Sunday I knew the trial was coming off the next week—it was after I signed the statement, and before I went to Goodwood, that Kingwell said "Did you do all right up at the office there?"—I saw Hill before I went to Goodwood—I did not know the trial was coming on on Monday; I never told Kingwell I was present when the accident occurred.

By the COURT. I abstained from going to Guildford, as I went to Good-wood Haces, but I should not have gone to Guildford if I had not gone to Goodwood.

CHARLES MARINER . I am a lighterman's apprentice—in March this year I was living in Stamford Street—on Monday, before the trial at Guildford, I met Brown in the Glasshouse beershop—he said something

about an accident—I said I remembered hearing of it—he said he was going the other side of the water about the accident, and took me with him—as we went he told me the trap was coming from Stamford Street and stopped at the corner, and then went on to York Road, and a cab or 'bus was going towards Waterloo Bridge, and could not get farther than the posts at the cross road; and while he was waiting, two vans, one of which was a railway van, were racing; and the South-Eastern van ran into the phaeton and knocked it over—I said "You had better tell me that again "—I went with him, as he said I could get something—we went to Micklethwaite's office in Long Acre to the first floor, and saw some clerks, and afterwards the eldest Levy came and called us in, but we had been to Kingwell's first and saw Mrs. Kingwell—we waited for Kingwell, and he came in 20 minutes or half an hour—we then went to Micklethwaite's, and Brown said to Levy "Here is another witness who saw the accident," and I said "Yes"—Levi told us how the accident occurred, and I knew more from his description than I did before—I had not told Brown I had seen the accident, only that I heard of it—we then went to another room—Daniel and Henry Levy were there, and Mr. Levy followed us—I sat down, and Brown sat opposite one of the Levys—questions were put to him, and he answered—they gave the description to Brown in a leading way of the accident, and he only said "Yes" or j "No," and now and then a few more words—the younger Levy took it down—Brown signed it—six or seven more lines were then added, then I signed it; this is it—this is my signature—I did not read it—I don't know whether it was read to me or not——Brown's statement was readI do not know whether this was on 25th July—Kingwell was present part of the time—I did not leave the statement there—we were told to call again next day and have our subpoenas, or have them sent—we went next day and saw Levy—we had our subpoenas given us, and the elder Levy, as we left, called out and said, "Can you find us two or three respectable men?"—he did not say what was to be done with them—either that day or the day before Levy took us and gave us a drink—I had not heard anything before that about an accident on Good Friday in the Walworth Road—I had known Watkins and Slatter years before, and I spoke to them the same afternoon, and also to Dudley and Parkinson—I was working for Dudley at the time—I took Dudley and Parkinson to 3, Long Acre the next morning—they stopped below, and I went up and sat half an hour—Levy came in, and I told him I had two men who would suit him—he said "Bring them up"—f brought them up, and while we waited, Brown and Adams came—we were taken into a private room, and Levy, senior, began to describe the accident in the Waterloo Road—they did not know what he meant at first, but he said a ginger-beer barrow ran into a tram—that was nothing to do with my case, but he said u What would you be doing there?"—that was before he described the accident—up to that time I did not know what the two men were wanted for—he described the accident, and Parkinson got up and told them another story—Levy said "I want you to listen to this,' and when he had finished describing it they were taken into another room, and we were told to wait till they came our,—Dudley, Parkinson, and Adams were in there half an hour, and Levy gave me two shillings for taking them over, and Brown two shillings—we then went to the Cranbourne Arms, and I understood they had five shillings each—I saw

I some money, and I drank with Parkinson, Dudley, Brown, and Mariner—I went again and asked Levy when he wanted me—he said "Saturday or Monday "—I afterwards got a letter telling me to meet the Levys at Waterloo Station on Monday—I was provided with a ticket, and went to Guildford—1 had made another statement before that—I had said nothing to the Levys about my being in communication with any one in connection with the South-Eastern Railway, but I had told Brown—the witnesses in both cases were in one room at Guildford, and after dinner both the young; Levys were there, but I did not know one from the other—a plan was drawn of how the accident occurred—I don't know who drew it, as it was done before I got into the room—some one said "Now, all you South-Eastern witnesses, come and see this, that you may make no mistake "—the plan was shown to them, and how the accident occurred was described to them—I went into Court and told the Judge that I did not see the accident.

Cross-examined by MR. POWELL. Brown made his statement in my presence—he said "Yes" or "No" to the questions put to him—I answered the questions put to me about the accident, which I said I had seen—my statement was taken down and has been read to-day—nothing was said at Levy's to inform him that that what Brown and I said was not true, that I am aware of—I don't know what I took the two respectable men to Levy's for—I should not have cared whether they were respectable or not if five shillings was to be got by it—I would not have taken them there if I had known it was to commit perjury, nor for any price—I signed what Brown had said as true—I had no thought at the time—I said "Yes" or "No," whichever was wanted—I did not know whether it was true or false—I should have gone to Guildford and committed perjury if it had not been found out' before—I had seen Mr. Bendall three days before I went to Guildford, and told the truth—I do not believe that after seeing him I went to Levy's office to ascertain when the case was coming on—Mr. Bendall knew from me that I was going to turn round in the witness box and say I had not seen the accident—I went to Ashford—I did not enjoy myself, as I could have done something better at home—I was told something very like this, that if I did not turn round I should get my head in a rope—I was not promised a job on the railway, but people said "You will get paid for this affair "—I have only had my bare expenses—I had five shillings a day at Bow Street, and I have had half a sovereign—I had eight days' and five days' lodging, but that is a long while ago; I forgot that.

Cross-examined by MR. SEYMOUR. I do not know whether the plan was ink or pencil—I saw Kingwell there, but did not see him do an) thing with regard to the plan—I do not know who drew it—I believe one of the younger Levys showed it.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. I was employed in Stamford Street, five minutes' walk from where the accident took place—the Glasshouse was the nearest public-house, and I used it of an evening—I do not know where I was on the night of 1st March, but I believe I was at work—I did not know the name of the injured gentleman till I got to Levy's office—Brown said, "Why, you know all about it; come with me to the office and I will put you where you can get something"—I had told him that I had not seen the accident—I believe he had described it to me, and I said, "Jack, you had better describe it to me again, because I did not see

it, as you know M—Mr. Justice Denman said at Guildford, "Did you say to Brown, 'You know, Brown, I did not see it'?" and I answered, "No, I did not say that to him "—I did not tell Mr. Hall's Counsel that I had not seen the accident; that is a mistake, it is not true, but what I said to Mr. Justice Denman may have been a mistake on my part—I told Mr. Bendall that Brown would be found of an evening at the Middlesex Music Hall—I did not tell Brown to make a clean breast—I said that I was going to tell the truth because it was found out, but he said that he would stick to his account.

Re-examined. On the Tuesday morning after he told me to find two or three respectable witnesses I saw Watson and Stafford, and asked them if they would like to go over the water again, where they would have some money—Stafford said, "No, we have been over there before, we know him "—that was to Levy's office.

LEONARD PARKINSON . I am a printer—about 25th July I was with my cousin Mr. Dudley, outside Price's in the Waterloo Road—I saw Mr. Mariner and we had a conversation, in consequence of which I went the next day to No. 3, Long Acre—Mariner went in, and Dudley and I waited half an hour outside—Mariner then came out and called us in—we went first into an outer office—in an inner office we saw Levy, senior, and Mariner, and I think Brown—those were all that were in the room besides Dudley and I—I sat on a side chair for a short time, when Levy, senior, told me to remove to the centre of a table—he drew our attention to an accident that had occurred in the Waterloo Road on Good Friday last-after some conversation I and Dudley were taken into another room—Daniel Levy was there, or came in, and Levy, senior—he produced what I believe to be the Daily Chronicle, and drew our attention to an advertisement offering 5l. reward—I scanned it over and passed it to Dudley—Levy, senior, asked me whether I was near Walworth Road on Good Friday last—I said that I was there—I said in answer to him that I was there, but had not seen the accident, as I was there quite an hour and a half, perhaps more, before it occurred—he said, "But anyhow, you were in the Walworth Road on Good Friday last"—I said "Yes "—he said that it happened near Sutherland Street, and asked me if I knew it—I said, "Yes, there's a curve in the tram line just there," and I described the locality as nearly as I could recollect—he told me and Dudley we had better go and see the place—1 told him I knew Dr. Garland's at the corner, to show that I did know the place—we went the next day to look at the place, but before that he said that a tram was coming from Black-friars Bridge, and an omnibus, a brougham, and a ginger-beer barrow were coming the reverse way; a tram was coming at great speed; the ginger-beer barrow was in front, and the brougham, to avoid a collision, tried to get out of the way, and the ginger-beer barrow was in some way or other saved from being run over, but the wheels got skidded in the tram lines and it was thrown over, and suddenly the tram ran into the brougham and cut it in half, and after the accident the driver of the brougham was taken from under it, to Dr. Garland's at the corner of Sutherland Street—I got 5s. from the elder Levy, and I signed this paper—I think the lad who sat on the opposite side of the table handed it to me—Daniel Levy was writing at the table—I think some printing was on the paper handed to me—I have a faint recollection that this is the paper—I only saw one paper—it was read over by the elder Levy

before I signed it.(The statement was here read, giving a full description of the Walworth Road accident, signed "Leonard Parkinson" July 26th, 1882.) I did not tell one word of that to Mr. Levy, he told me every word, I did not know anything about it—I told Mr. Levy more than once that I had not seen the accident—Daniel Levy was 6 feet off and heard everything—Dudley and I left, and we conversed together—on the Thursday or Friday I went back and told the elder Levy we had been to see the place—he seemed pleased, but when I told him I could not possibly take an oath, because I had not seen the accident, he seemed just the other way—about a day after, I received a postcard about work—I took it to Long Acre on the Friday and showed it to Mr. Levy and said "You can see I shan't be able to come, I have got a card about work where I have been doing business for some time, and it would put me sadly about; I should like to get out of this case and go to work "—he asked if I could not get some one else to go to my work; I said I preferred doing it myself, for if I sent another man I might lose it altogether—he was out of temper with me; I forget the conversation, but he walked up and down the room in an excited state, and said "Now look here, cannot you easily say, as if you were speaking to Dudley and one was going one way and one the other," and lie threw up his hands and said "Oh, look, my God, that tram will run into that brougham!"—I said "I cannot, for I did not see the accident"—he said "What a nuisance you are!" and repeated "How easy it would be to throw up your hands like this, and turn round and say 'My God! look at that, it will run into the other' "—I told him again I could not do anything of the kind, for I had not witnessed the accident—he was annoyed and I went away—he said "Will you have a glass file?" I said "I do not mind," and we had one at the Cranbourne Hotel, St. Martin's Lane—the next day I went and told him that it was possible I should lose my work if I did not go; he said if I could get another man I should be well paid, and paid handsomely, for following the case up and keeping with him—he said no doubt we should have to go to Guildford on the Monday—I told him I preferred my work to anything else—that was Saturday; Dudley was with me; Levy asked me why he did not go upstairs—I said Dudley was ill and had just come from Ventnor Convalescent Hospital, and his breath was too bad to come up the stairs—he said "Poor fellow, I will go down and see him "—he went down and spoke to Dudley, and we all three went into the Cranbourne Hotel and had some ale—I had a shilling from Levy three times out of four—I received this subpoena—this letter was left at my house. (To be at Waterloo at 9.15 to proceed to Guildford by the 9.30 train)—I saw Mr. Bendall, from the South-Eastern Company, on the Sunday morning—I told him what I have told you—on the Monday morning I went to Guildford—I saw the two younger Levys and Mariner in a public-house—Mariner and Kingwell were strangers to me—I kept my engagement with the South-Eastern Company to myself.

Cross-examined by MR. POWELL. I got 10s. for Dudley and myself, after I had been in communication with Bendall, from Daniel Levy—I was told I could have more by writing—I complained about being kept waiting outside—I said to Daniel Levy "This is very unsatisfactory "—that was at the police-court at 9 o'clock at night—I was not examined at Guildford—Daniel Levy said "What do you want?" I said that Dudley was very tired, and he gave me another shilling—I am a machine-minder or pressman

—I worked at Pratt and Barbrook's, 16, Mill Street, and wherever I could get work, and on my own account—I have earned 4l. a week, but I was out of work in July—I got 5s. for signing the statement—I was told to go and see the place, and I repudiated everything after that—I live near the place and know it well, but I never said I saw the accident—I repented when I got downstairs—I told Mr. Levy I should be glad to pay the money back and double as much—I did not offer him an I O U, it never entered my mind—I told him I should be very glad to get off this dreadful business, and before we parted he put a shilling in my hand—I asked him for a piece of paper to take down the heads of the places Mr. Levy had spoken of, as I thought I would not trust to my memory, and I wrote on a piece of blue wove paper and submitted it to him to see if it was what he wanted me to say—I should have earned 24s. or 25s. by my printing job—he told me there was a subpoena, and I thought I was obliged to go to Guildford—when I received the paper with the printing and writing on I thought it was binding, that was why I went to Long Acre—I was forced to give up the job—I was at Guild-ford—seeing Bendall prevented my giving evidence at Guildford—no one else was present when Mr. Levy put his arms up.

Cross-examined by MR. FULTON. I was uncomfortable, and had drink in me, but not before I went to Long Acre—I signed a statement, which was handed to Bendall, that I had been drinking, or I should not have acted as I did—Edward Lawrence Levy said I had better be spokesman—whatever was taken down I repudiated afterwards—all the conversation was in one room—I went into a second room, where Daniel Levy was, and he wrote down my statement—Daniel Levy walked in and out.

Re-examined. The elder Levy described the accident, so that the clerk could take it down, in the first room; then we went into the inner room, and Daniel Levy took down what I have stated—the elder Levy was there very little, but he was there at the finish—he was in the room more than once during the time—he was there when I said I had not seen the accident.

JOHN DUDLEY . I am a boat owner, and cousin of Mr. Parkinson—I did not see the accident in the Walworth Road on 7th' April—1 was not there at all—I went with Parkinson and Mariner to 5, Long Acre—we went to the first floor—I saw the elder Levy come out from an inner room—Mariner said "These are the men I have brought"—I only knew I was brought to have a job—Parkinson sat in a chair in front of a table; the elder Levy sat opposite to him, and spoke about a tramway accident on Good Friday—that was the first I heard of the accident Levy asked me where I was on Good Friday; I told him I was at home ill—I was at home ill at 19, Thomas Street, Lambeth—he said something about the accident, and I said I could not say, as I did not see it he said "Never mind; you do not seem very well; don't you say anything; let Parkinson be spokesman "—we were shown into another room—then Parkinson and Levy, senior, described about the curves of the lines, and Mr. Levy about the ginger-beer cart, and that a brougham got across the lines and got fixed, and the tram going to the Walworth Road from the Elephant and Castle struck the brougham—Levy, Parkinson, me, Brown, and Mariner and another man were in the room—Parkinson said he knew the place well, and did not live far from it—while we were staying Levy brought a newspaper and handed it to Parkinson, who

handed it to me—my attention was called to an advertisement that any one who saw an accident was to call at their office—something was written down—I believe it was read over—I was asked to sign after Parkinson—this is my signature—this was not read over: "I reside at 19, Thomas Street, Stamford Street, in the county of Surrey. I am a lighterman. I have heard the statement made by Leonard Parkinson. I have heard the same read over. I agree with the account he gives as to how the accident occurred, and I say the same is correct I am prepared to corroborate the evidence of the said Leonard Parkinson. July 22nd."I was asked to sign. that as a matter of form, by the young man in the office who wrote out the paper—his back was towards me when he handed me the paper—the lad gave me 5s.—he was about 15 years old—Mariner and Brown were in the office where we first had been—I afterwards went to the Cranbourne public-house with Brown, Parkinson, and Adams—I went with Parkinson to look at the spot near Sutherland Street about two days after I had the 5s.—we were not told when the trial was to be, until the Saturday evening—some one left a letter at my place—I went on the Monday morning from Waterloo Station to Guildford—Parkinson brought me two separate shillings, and said Levy had sent it me for a glass of wine—one occasion was when I went to Long Acre but did not go to Levy's office—I had a glass of ale with Parkinson and Levy on the Saturday—coming from Guildford I met Brown and both Levys in a public-house opposite Waterloo Station—they said I was not required to go down the next day, as Mariner had done the job up—I was to have 30s. more if it came off all right—me and Parkinson were to have 15s. each—I was also in communication with the South-Eastern Railway Company on the Sunday.

Cross-examined by MR. POWELL.I was advised to go down by Mr. Bendall and Mr. Hitchcock—Parkinson grumbled a good deal as to the way he was treated—it is a mistake if I said I heard of the accident three or four days before I went to Long Acre—I heard of it the day before through Mariner coming to me—he said there was a job to be got over the water at Micklethwaite's—I did not know of the accident till I got in the office and he showed me a subpoena—he said "It will be a good job, and you can earn a few pounds "—it is a mistake that I heard of the accident the day before I went—I think I meant three or four days before—I went to see the accident—Mariner did not tell me of it opposite Waterloo Station—he said he knew of a job; nothing was said about the accident.

Cross-examined by MR.FULTON.I had never seen the clerk before he wrote down my statement—Parkinson did not tell the clerk all that had been said in the outer room—he told him what had occurred, and the clerk wrote it down—the elder Levy told him to give an account of the accident—he was not in the room when the statement was written down—I believe it was read over and he signed it.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. After the trial, Bendall sent me to find Brown—I went to Stamford Street and found him—I made an appointment on behalf of Mr. Bendall with Brown to meet them at the Middlesex Music Hall between 8 and 9 p.m.—Brown came on his cab—Bendall did not go into the hall—we stood at the bar—Bendall offered Brown a summons, and gave him 5s.—he asked him to make a different statement to what he did at Guildford, and said that if he did he had an indemnity

—we went to another public-house, Brown made a statement, and it was written down—Brown said during the evening that he had told the truth, he would stick to his statement, and he would not tell a lie for any man.

CHARLES HITCHCOCK .I am a clerk in the solicitor's office, South-Eastern Railway.(The witness's evidence before the Magistrate as to dates of summonses and attendances at Judge's Chambers were read, which he stated to be correct)—the commission day at Guildford was Thursday, the 27th—I did not stay in Guildford till the action was tried; I left late on Friday night—I returned on the Monday—the action was tried on:31st July before Justice Denman, and the verdict was for the defendant—I produce the whole of the papers used by counsel—this is the claim. (This was for 500l. damages for injury caused by a collision between defendants two-horse van with the plaintiff's phaeton).

PHILIP GRIFFITHS .I am a linesman under the American Brush Light Company, Cannon Street—I have known Kingwell two years or a little more—in March last I frequented the Glasshouse beerhouse, Stamford Street—I was in and out all day on March 1st, and in the afternoon I was there about two hours—I saw nothing of the accident, but Kingwell said," Here is a collision "—I think it was after 5 o'clock; the lamps were lit—I do not know whether any of the other defendants were there, but I saw Brown there both in the morning and afternoon—Kingwell then went out, and in about two minutes I finished my glass, and went with some others to the corner, and saw Mr. Hall's phaeton drawn up on one side of the pavement—I did not see the railway van which had caused the mischief—I saw Brown there a little way from the red pillar-post—I cannot swear that I saw him in the public-house when Kingwell said "There is a collision."

Cross-examined by MR. RAYMOND. The pillar-box is 20 feet or a little more from where the van was drawn up—from the pillar-post to the Glasshouse is about 60 feet.

Cross-examined by MR. MATHEWS.I saw a man with some buttons on, on the box of the gentleman's trap.

GEORGE TURNER . I live at 176, Stamford Street, Waterloo Road, and in March last I was employed in the day at Suffolk Street, and in the evening at Drury Lane Theatre—I keep a diary—I saw the accident; it was between 6.30 and 7 o'clock—I had just looked in at the Glasshouse to see the time, and saw Kingwell there, who I knew by sight, drinking with other men—I did not go in; I only looked through the window, and then walked on towards the tobacconist's at the Stamford Street corner—I stood there two or three minutes waiting for some people to go with me to the theatre—I looked towards the bridge, and saw a one-horse railway van coming at a good pace, but the driver was pulling hard—he seemed to have lost control—I saw a gentleman and a boy in a one-horse trap in Stamford Street, coming towards the Waterloo Road—I put up my hand, and sang out, "Stop! Hoy!" but the gentleman took the whip, and lashed the horse, which made an extra spurt when his head was a yard and a half or two yards from the centre lamp in the middle of the road—he was occupying the whole of the middle of the road; the whole of the half—the horse's head was about two lengths from the Waterloo Road when I beckoned to him, and if he had pulled up at that time no accident would have occurred—he could have pulled up—the extra spurt took the trap

into the Waterloo Road, and the breast of the Tan hone struck the trap near the lamp, and the gentleman and boy were thrown flying—the trap gave a lurch, and the horse reared up, which stopped it from going over—1 ran to the gentleman, who was about three yards off in the road—he got partly up, and I assisted him—the trap was not turned over, but the horse was down—the other horse stood over the gentleman's horse, and I think that was the most important part of the accident—the gentleman's arm was injured, and I took him to the chemist's at the corner, left him there alone, and at his request went back to the trap to get a bag which he wanted—a young man gave it to me—1 took some other things which were picked up, into a tobacconist's, and took the bag to the injured limn, and gave him my card—he said "Put it in my pocket"—the chemist said he could not do anything with the man, and I returned with him—King well was standing there making himself officious—he shoved me on one side, and said, "How is the man?"—I said," What the devil are you up to? who are you shoving?" but he took no notice—I told the gentleman he was iu fault, and not the van driver—two policemen were there; one with King well and the trap, and the other with the carman—a policeman put the gentleman into a cab, and he was driven away, I think to the hospital—it was then time for me to go to the theatre, and I left—I don't know Brown—no omnibus was near at the time of the collision—a Waterloo 'bus was coming up, but not a one-horse penny 'bus—I saw Kingwell next day at 5 o'clock outside the Glasshouse, and said, "Hallo! what did you do with the trap?"—he said,"I took it home"—I said," Where?" he said either "Guildford" or "Watford "—I said, "All that way?"—he said, "Yes "—I said,"Did you get anything?"—he said,"No, I shall have to go up again "—I said, "What for?"—he said,"It will be a damaging job"—I said,"What will you go for?"—he said, "To give evidence"—I said,"What do you know? you never saw it"—he said, "What of that? I was in here," pointing to the Glasshouse; "I only live two doors down. Are you going to have a drink?"—I said, "No, I never drink," and I went in to my tea.

Cross-examined by MR. MATHEWS. I am property man at Drury Lane—the pantomime was still on on March 1st, and I had to get to the theatre at 1.30p.m. and 7.15p.m.—I had not to be there before it begin, as I was not required to set the first scene; the day man did that—Kingwell was ordering the people about, but he did not pick the trap up—he did not take charge of it; he may have looked after it—you are trying to bamboozle me—I don't know Anderson—I don't remember seeing King-well covered with mud.(The report of Constable 212 teas here put in, stating the collision occurred at 6.45 p.m., giving the names of the witnesses, and stating "All of whom are of opinion that Mr. Hall was to blame in trying to pans the van when there was not sufficient room,)

EDWARD HAWKES . I was in the employ of Mr. Bar wick, of the Camberwell Road Livery Stables—on 1st March I was with Mr. Hall in his trap from about 9 a.m. till nearly 7 p.m.—sometimes he drove, and sometimes I—I can't tell you how many public-houses we went to, as that was in the course of his business—he travels in the spirit line—he was driving between 6 and 7 o'clock—he was not quite sober—I cannot tell you what I saw, but I first saw Kingwell when I was getting the horse of our trap up—I took the bag to the chemist's, and I think Mr. Turner went with me—I had not got the horse up then—I did not see Brown—I got a

notice from Mr. Micklethwaite to go down to Guildford for the trial—I went to 3, Long Acre about a fortnight before the trial—I asked the clerks for Mr. Micklethwaite—they took me into a private room, and I saw E.L. Levy, who told me to go into the private room, where I saw Daniel Levy writing, and a boy and some gentlemen—they asked me questions, and I answered them—it was all written down and read to me, and I signed it—this is it—I think it was all correct.(This gave a narrative of the collision, and stated that Mr. Hall was not to blame, but that it was all through the reckless driving of the defendant's ONE horse van)—besides that I said that the plaintiff was sober, and I told them that they were near the posts—I think it was E.L. Levy who I told so, but I am not sure, as they kept going in and out of the room—I am sure Daniel Levy is the person who was writing—that was the only time I went there—I went to Guildford, and King well said in the train that the police had made a report that it was a pair-horse van, but it was a single-horse van—Mr. Hall said that he hoped they had said so—I think I said, "I hope so too"—I was at the dinner in the room where all the witnesses were, and saw Kingwell draw a plan—Henry Levy came in while he was drawing it, and called all the witnesses round him, and said, "Now some of you chaps don't seem to understand this; you had better come round and have a look"—they had a look, and one or two of them did a bit of figuring up—they touched it up, and then Mr. Hall got hold of it and had a look as well—I think Kingwell kept it—something was said about how near the horse's head was to the post.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. I do not remember noticing Brown at all, but he might have been there.

THOMAS HENDERSON . I am a cab driver, of Peckham—I have known Brown about five years—I first heard of the accident in the Waterloo Road on a Monday, about June, from Kingwell, outside the York Hotel—he asked me if I would go up to Levy's and be a witness in the case of Hall v. The South Eastern Railway—I said, "All right, I will "—he then said, "Now I will tell you what happened; there was a traveller's trap coming up Stamford Street towards the York Road, and there was a South-Eastern van coming at a racing pace down the bridge; a cab and a 'bus blocked the road so that the traveller's trap could not cross, and before the railway van could pull up it knocked the trap and turned it over, and I helped to get the trap up, and took Hall to the chemist's opposite"—Harper and Brown were present—Kingwell said that it would be 1l. a day if the case came off—I had not seen anything of the accident, I was not near the spot at the time—Brown said nothing to me, but Kingwell gave Brown an address on a card and said, "Go over there to-morrow "—I saw Brown next morning going up Waterloo Road; he was alone; he asked if I was going over—I said, "All right, I will go over"—we walked to Long Acre that afternoon—we passed Kingwells house, but did not go in—we went to a public-house at the corner, and Kingwell came and said that we had better go up next morning—Brown said that he had been round to the solicitor's and left his name and address—Kiugwell said, "You had better go round to-morrow morning," but I did not—I did not go to Long Acre again—after that and before the trial, I met Kingwell in Waterloo Road—he asked me if I had been to Long Acre—I said "No"—he said, "If you see Brown up the road tell him I want to see him, and I want you for another tramway case,"

but I never saw Brown till after the trial, when he said that it was a good job I did not go to Guildford and did not have anything to do with it, as somebody had turned policeman.

Cross-examined by MR. POWELL.I never saw either of the Levys till I was at Bow Street.

Cross-examined by MR. GEQGHEGAN. I was in the Glasshouse on the day of the accident, and left at 2 o'clock—I saw Bendall, I think, on 4th September, and told him I was in the Glasshouse at the time of the accident, and that when I came out I saw Kingwell in the street all covered with mud—I told Bendall to show my statement to Brown that he might know what to say—I did not know who Bendall was—Slatter brought him to me and said that I knew something about the accident—I said I didn't want to have anything to do with it—my telling Bendall that I had been in the public-house when it was untrue, was a slip of memory—I told him a lie because I knew nothing of him, I had never seen him before—I made this statement to Bendall in a public-house; he had treated me to cigars and whisky—I saw Griffiths at the public-house the day of the accident.

Re-examined. I had seen Slatter before, in the Glasshouse—I did not seek Bendall; Slatter brought him to me—he said V Here is Mr. Bendall, from the South-Eastern Railway "—1 said "I don't know Mr. Bendall, and don't want to "—he said "He is going to prosecute these people for getting up a false case "—I said "I don't want anything to do with it"—he said "You will have to, you will have to come whether you will or not"—I told Bendall what was not true—what I have sworn to-day is the truth—I did not come forward voluntarily.

FREDERICK HARPER . I am a comedian—I first heard of the accident in the Waterloo Road from Kingwell early in June, outside the York Hotel—he said "Fred, do you want to earn a quid or two?"—I said" I don't mind. How?"—he said "I will show you; come here "—we went into the road, and he said "There is supposed to be a railway van coming down the road, and a horse and trap coming up towards the bridge, and the van is supposed to have run into the trap and thrown the man out"—I said "What am I to do?"—he said that I was to go to a place in Long Acre, I think it was Micklethwaite's, and explain the same thing as he had explained—I said" Right" and left him standing in the passenger refuge—I did not go to Long Acre—a fortnight after, I saw Kingwell and Brown outside the York Hotel; Kingwell signed to me—I went in to drink, and he came in and said "Are you going to take the bleeding job on? Come here," and we went outside together—he called Brown and said "Listen to this; it is easy as anything; the van is supposed to be coming down the road and the trap coming up, and the collision is the fault of the South-Eastern Railway: I will tell you where to go," and he took his pocket-book, wrote an address, and gave it me, saying "Here you are; go over there, it will be all right, if it's good enough for me, it's good enough for you "—I gave it to Brown—I did not go to Long Acre.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. There were more than 10 of us outside the hotel, but we were not all talking together—I had not been talking to Brown before Kingwell spoke to me—Brown did not hear the first conversation between me and Kingwell, but he did the seoond—I never gave evidence before—I understand what perjury means—when he

asked me to go over, I understood him to ask me to commit perjury—I knew it was wrong, and did not try it—I never said that I thought it was a good thing, but the money was not enough—I must have said at the police-court "I thought it was a good thing"—I did not like to go so far for the money—I did not care about going at all—I did not want more money: because I had a wife and family to support, and I was not going to commit perjury—when I said that I thought it was a good thing, but I did not like to go so far for the money, that was a misunderstanding.

Re-examined. I have no recollection of saying that the money was not enough, before Mr. Vaughan; I had no such meaning.

JOSEPH LEWIS . I am a labourer, of Walworth—I know Ramsay, Wright, Telling, and Flowers—a week or 10 days before I went to Guildford, Ramsay gave me a note, and I went to 3, Long Acre and saw the elder Levy—he spoke first and said, "Where is Ramsay?"—I gave him a piece of paper—he said, "Who is this from?"—I said, "Mr. Ramsay"—he said, "Ain't he well?"—I said "No"—he said, "Iam busy now, call to-morrow "—I said that Mr. Ramsay and two others, Telling and Wright, sent me over for a job—I went again next day with Telling, Wright, Flowers, and Ramsay—we saw the elder Levy and a young woman—Ramsay said, "I am going up on a little business of my own—we waited an hour and a half and then went up—Ramsay went into the room for a quarter of an hour, and then the elder Levy called us all in—Ramsay sat there with a piece of paper in his hand, and Henry Levy read a paper over to us about an accident, and Ramsay looked at it and said, "Yes, that is quite correct"—no accident had been mentioned before that—Henry Levy asked us all four to sign it, which we did, and then he gave us a suspean—this is my signature—I had said nothing about the accident.(This was a statement of the witness that he had seen the accident of Good Friday, and describing the details, to which was added a statement by Telling, Wright, and Flowers that they had heard Lewis's statement and that it was the truth.) I signed that paper, but I did not understand what he was reading—it was all written before I went into the room—the paper Ramsay had in his hand was different; it was only half the size of this, and it was blue—we then got a shilling and a paper, and Henry Levy said that the trial at Guildford would come off on Saturday or Monday, and he would drop me a note—I did not see the accident in the Walworth Road, and I never told Ramsay so—on the same day after I signed the paper, Edward Lawrence Levy took me into a private room and said," Lewis, can you get a little girl to say she was pushing behind a ginger-beer barrow?"—I said that I could nut, and he asked me whether I could not get my wife to say that she was pushing behind—I said, "No, she is at work; Ramsay has got a little girl"—he said, "Never mind about Ramsay"—I got notice to go to Waterloo and go down to Guildford on Monday, 31st July, and Henry Levy and Kingwell took me to a public-house with the 20 witnesses, and after dinner Henry Levy said, "All of you what is in the South-Eastern case come over here," and Kingwell said the same—they were near one another, and each had a piece of paper—there were three or four round Henry and three or four round Kingwell—Henry came up to me, and I asked him whether the brougham was a shut-up or an open one—he said that it was a shut-up one—Flower, Wright, and Tilley could hear that

question—I was not in the South-Eastern case at all—I heard Kingwell say, "This was coming down here, and this was coming down here, and he had something in his hand pointing—I remained at Guildford that night, and next morning I was told that I need not remain—I got It. and two pots of ale—on the Saturday after the trial I went to Long Acre and saw the elder Levy—I said that two gentlemen had been round to me about the case, and said that if I did not tell them they would have me locked up—he said "If you tell them you did not see it you will get yourself in trouble,"and he kept walking up and down the room, moving his hands up and down, and saying" Say what you like, and do what you like "—he gave me 1s., and I went downstairs—before I left he said that it was only Detective Atkins and Detective Watkins, and he told me to tell Ramsay to come down and see the two gentlemen and tell him who they were, because they were to come on the Sunday again.

Cross-examined by MR. POWELL. I said nothing the first time I was examined at Bow Street about Mr. Levy having asked me to see if I could find a little girl to say that she was pushing a barrow, but I did the second time—I did not say one word about his asking me if my wife could do it, or about my suggesting Ramsay's daughter—after the examination at Bow Street I went down to Ashford for seven or eight days—Dudley, Hill, Farmer, Flowers, and Wright, were there, but not Ramsay—it was after I came back from Ashford that I made my second statement, and mentioned for the first time that he asked me to get a little girl to say that she was wheeling a barrow. (This statement did not appear in the witness's deposition.) He wanted me to find a little girl to swear what was not true, and I suggested that he should employ Ramsay's little girl to tell on her oath that which was not true—I had not seep Bendall before I went to Guildford—I was subpoenaed there to give evidence, but I was not going to do so; they believed that I was, but I was going to say that I did not know anything about the case—I meant to turn round and speak the truth when I got there.

Cross-examined by MR. SEYMOUR. I made a statement to Mr. Hitchcock, of St. Thomas Street, and went to Ashford afterwards—I did not tell him about the barrow, because I did not think of it—Mr. Bendall took down what I said, at Ashford—I made a statement to him about my wife—I saw Mr. Bendall before I saw Mr. Hitchcock, and made a statement to him of what I was told to say—I said "I did not mention about my wife till Thursday, and then I did to Mr. Bendall at Ashford "—when we first went into the room the elder Levy said to Henry "Take down the statements of the witnesses," and young Levy took up a pen, but he wrote nothing—he put the pen down again, and read the paper to us—I did not make a statement in the room—the statement was read out to us; we could hear it, but we could not understand it—Ramsay kept on saying "Yes, that is quite correct"—Henry Levy read: "We were with Joseph Lewis, and saw the accident explained by him," but I did not see the accident at all—I made no statement about the accident; I never opened my lips—I did not say before the Magistrate that I saw two papers one in Henry Levy's and the other in Kingwell's hands—I did not Jiear this read about the brougham: "No one was inside, so far as I could see, because it was a shut-up one," but Henry Levy told us to say that. Re-examined. The first time I went to Long Acre, Ramsay only was

with me—I went with Telling and Wright when Ramsay was not there—I saw the elder Levy—I do not recollect anything being said about Ramsay on that occasion—Mr. Hitchcock wrote down my statement at St. Thomas Street—that was the only time my evidence was written down before I went to the police-court; Mr. Bendall did not do so.

GEORGE WRIGHT . I am a coal-dealer, of 10, North Road, Walworth—I know Joseph Lewis—I went with him to 3, Long Acre, but can't remember the day I first went—Telling was with us, but no one else—on the first occasion we saw the elder Levy, who asked where Ramsay was—Lewis said that he was very queer; he brought a paper with him, and asked Levy about the accident—Levy told him that the tram was coming on one way, and the brougham the other, and the dashboard of the tram caught the behind of the brougham—he then gave us 2s., and told us to come next day—when we went the first time we did not know what we were going there for, but Lewis asked him how the accident was done, and we all asked—Mr. Levy said that it occurred in the Walworth Road on Good Friday—I had never seen Mr. Levy before—I don't know how he knew I had anything to do with Ramsay; he asked Lewis about Ramsay; he did not ask me—I went there again next day with Telling, Flowers, Ramsay, and Lewis, and saw Edward Lawrence Levy and Henry Levy—Ramsay went in first, and we were called in in about 10 minutes—Edward Lawrence Levy went out, and Henry Levy read this statement to us, and he was talking in between, but I cannot tell you what he said—he then gave us the paper to sign, and we signed our names at the back of it, and then he gave us a suspene and a shilling apiece, and said that the case would be heard at Guildford, but he did not know when, but he would send a letter to Ramsay, who would let us know—after signing the paper we all left, including Ramsay—I did not go there again—I was not present at the accident, and did not know anything about it till I got to the office—Ramsay took me to Waterloo Station on Monday, when one of the Levys gave me a ticket, and I went to Guildford, and had dinner at a public-house—I did not see a piece of paper after dinner—I was not in the railway-van accident at all.

Cross-examined by MR. POWELL. I did not know what I was going to Long Acre for; Lewis took me there—he asked me whether I wanted to earn a couple of shillings—I said "Yes "—he said u Wait a minute, I will go and see Ramsay," and he took me to 3, Long Acre—Telling and Lewis went there with me the first day, and when I went the second time, Ramsay told me that I was going there to make a statement about an accident, and he told me about it—I did not know that I was going there to state that which was false—I knew that I had not seen the accident—Henry Levy brought out the written paper and read it to me, and I was asked if it was right—Ramsay said "Yes," and I signed it—during that time the elder Levy said nothing, and I never saw him again.

Cross-examined by MR. SEYMOUR. I was in the dining-room two or three hours after dinner, but saw no plan.

ALFRED FLOWER . I am a labourer, of 3, North Road, Woolwich—I went with Lewis, Telling, Wright, and Ramsay to 3, Long Acre—we waited an hour and saw the elder Levy and Henry Levy—I went there because Lewis asked me if I wanted a job—Henry Levy was at a desk writing, and saying every three or four minutes "Is that right?" arid we was a-saying "Yes—he was writing something about the accident in the Walworth Road—

Ramsay was spokesman, but we all spoke together—that went on for twenty minutes—I did not pay attention to what was said, as I could not understand it—I did not know what vehicles there were—I knew it was Good Friday—Henry Levy read the paper over—I can't read or write—I can write my name, but not well enough to put there, and I put my mark—the elder Levy came in and gave us a shilling—one of the Levys said he would tell us when the trial came on—Lewis told me that he had a letter, and on 31st July I went to Waterloo Station, where one of the Levys gave me a ticket, and I went to Guildford, and after dinner, when Kingwell and other witnesses and the smallest boy Levy were there, Henry Levy got a piece of paper out of a book and said "All you chaps as don't understand about the South-Eastern case come here," and they went to the other end of the room, I did not see what they did with the paper—I heard Lewis ask Henry Levy if it was a shut-up brougham or an open one—he said a shut-up one—I left Guildford on Tuesday—I got a shilling before I left—I had not been present on Good Friday to see the accident between the tramcar and the brougham.

Cross-examined by MR. SEYMOUR. I did not hear Henry Levy ask whether any one could make a plan—I only saw him get a bit of paper and go to the end of the room; it was blue paper; he got it from a bag—it was not a big piece—it could not be described as a lump of paper.

CHARLES RAMSAY . I am a lithographic printer, of Listock Place, Walworth—I have known the elder Levy five or six years—I knew him in the office of Cooper and Co., in Leicester Square, and also at Micklethwaite's, at 3, Long; Acre—I only knew Micklethwaite by seeing him there occasionally—I heard from the elder Levy about the accident in the Walworth Road between a tramcar and a brougham on Good Friday—he first told me about it a few days before the trial at Guildford—he told me that at the office—I don't know whether any one else was present—there might have been—he did not explain the accident to me at all—he said could I send him some one to witness an accident that occurred in the Walworth Road, that a gentleman's brougham or carriage which had been broken up by a tramcar, I think he said on Good Friday—I said I did not know, I would see—that was all the conversation that took place about it—when near home I saw the witness Lewis—I told him if he went over there he would get something to do—I might have said a job, or something of that sort—Lewis said he would go over on the morrow—I said, "I am going, and you can come with me," but I was too ill to go—I wrote on a piece of paper for him to go to Mr. Levy, but that I was too ill to go; I would come on the morrow—I was going on my own business—I gave Lewis the paper in the street—I can't say whether any one was with him—I met him next morning, and said I would go at 4 o'clock—I met him again at the end of East Street, Walworth Road—Filien, Fillmer, or Wright were with him—I had never seen either of them before to my knowledge—we all four went together to 3, Long Acre—there was only a clerk there—after some time the elder Levy came in, and, I believe, Daniel Levy followed—he sent us all into an inner office, where I saw the elder Levy, Daniel Levy, and a clerk who I did not know—I knew nothing whatever about the accident with the brougham and the tramcar, or of any one being injured, before going to the office—the clerk was told by the elder Levy to take down the statements from the witnesses; and Lewis made a statement, which was written down—he gave a description of the accident, and the clerk wrote

it down on a piece of paper—the clerk asked him how it was that he was there at the time—he said that they had been to Peckham Rye, or rather Clapham Common—I said, "If you had been to Clapham Common and coming home that would not have brought you to that place "—Lewis made answer directly that they intended to go from Clapham Common to Peckham Rye, but they altered their mind and came home—the clerk said, "Are you sure the tramcar did not stop just before the accident occurred?"—I believe he said "No," but I do not really recollect what he did say—I don't recollect its being read bit by bit, I only recollect its being read once—they said it was correct, and all three signed it—they said they could not read—no statement of mine was written—I gave no proof, I knew nothing of the accident—I heard nothing about a girl wheeling a barrow—I did not go to Guildford.

Cross-examined by MR. POWELL. I do not act as a person to serve summonses and subpoenas—I have done it on an occasion, to oblige, when it has been near my own home—I live within three minutes' walk of the place where this accident occurred—I was not aware that the man had been killed till the Sunday evening before the trial—I went to Mr. Levy's on some business—he did not ask me if I could find anybody in the neighbourhood who had seen the accident; it sounds very much like it, I should not like to swear it was not that; it might be to find anybody who witnessed the accident, I certainly understood it to be "to witness it"—it might have been "who witnessed it"—Lewis made such a clear and connected statement that I really almost believed that he had seen the accident—I stated so at the police-court—I did not believe that he saw it, but he made such a clear statement that I was astonished at it.

Re-examined. The business I had was about another accident—I did not inquire of any one if they had seen the accident in the Walworth Road—I considered that Lewis was the best person to look for them, knowing everybody in the neighbourhood.

CAROLINE AIRY . I am the wife of George Airy, of Eglin Mews, St. John's Wood—I am the daughter of Henry Wright—my brother was the coachman who was killed in the Walworth Road on Good Friday—his name was Henry Richard Wright—he was buried on the Friday following Good Friday—on the day of the funeral some one brought me a card, in consequence of which I went to the office of Mr. Micklethwaite, at 3, Long Acre, the following week, with my mother—I saw the elder Levy—I told him that a person had called on us and said that if we went to Long Acre he thought we could get compensation for the children for my brother's accident, and it would not cost us anything, the other side would pay him—Mr. Levy did not say anything—I asked him if he would let us have it in black and white—he made no answer—I gave him two or three papers; I think one was a telegram from the hospital; another was the address of Dr. Reed, who picked my brother up—he said the witnesses were very few, he should have to advertise for some—I think he asked how many children there were, and I said three—I told him my brother was insured for 100l., and his wife had just been committed for a second term of imprisonment, and my father a mother had the children—we did not pay him anything—he took out letters of administration—I was present when the 100l. was got. from the Prudential, a third of it was left in Mr. Levy's hands.

WILLIAM DAVIDSON . I live at Walworth and am a coachsmith by trade—I was present on Good Friday and saw the accident in the Walworth Road—I picked the man up—a tramcar was coming along from the Elephant and a brougham was coming along there was a ginger-beer barrow by the side of the kerb, a man was in the shafts, and a little girl was shoving behind—the brougham passed the barrow, but got his wheels on the tramline; he got his front wheels out, but could not get the off hind wheel out; the tramcar was coming along fast, and the brougham going fast as well; the tramcar ran into the brougham and knocked it oyer and threw the man off Vie box and I ran and picked him up and carried him to the doctor's shop close by—at the time of the accident I should not think there were above half a dozen people there—I did not attend the inquest—a friend of mine afterwards saw an advertisement in the Chronicle and gave it to me and I wrote to Mr. Micklethwaite and Co., of Long Acre—this (produced) is the letter—there is no date to it, but I think it was written about three weeks before going to Guildford—after writing the letter Henry Levy called on me—I saw him at the Roebuck, in Trafalgar Street; Mr. Wallis brought) him round to me—he asked me if I had seen the accident—I said I had—he said "We had better have no conversation here; we had better go round to the shop," and we went into Mr. Willis's parlour and I told him the same as I have told now—on the Saturday night before the trial I saw Kingwell and Daniel Levy in the Queen's Arms, in South Street—I got some money and got directions to go to Waterloo Station on Monday morning—I went to Guildford and went to the room where all the witnesses were having dinner—I saw Kingwell there; he helped to bring up the dinners—there was an old man there, the landlord, and the servant—there were a lot of people there—Henry Levy was there; he came up and asked for a plan; he asked the company in the room—he said 'Has any one got a plan of the South-Eastern Rail way case?"—they said "No "—he said "Can anyone draw a plan?"—Hall said "I will draw a plan "—King-well said "No, let Harry draw a plan," and they borrowed my penen, which I have never had since—Kingwell, Henry Levy, and Hail, and all the lot of them on the South-Eastern case, went over to a side table—Hall I think said there were two horses; Kingwell I think said "No, there was only one "—Henry Levy said "Well, I can't stop up in the room very long, I want to go because the Counsel is waiting; come, all of you, have a look at the plan, so that you shall not make any mistake when you go into the witness-box "—I was disgusted with the goings on and I walked out.

By the COURT. We bad plenty to drink and to smoke and a good dinner—I was disgusted with them because I lost my half-ounce of tobacco—I did not like the company.

RICHARD COLLARD . I am a master bootmaker of Richmond Street, Walworth—I was at Guildford on Monday, 31st July—I was up in the room after dinner where all the witnesses were—I saw Daniel Levy there—I was there as a witness, with regard to the accident between the tram car and the brougham on Good Friday—I had nothing to do with the accident between the railway van and the traveller's trap—I had a bit of dinner, and then went downstairs.

Cross-examined by MR. POWELL. I did not see the advertisement about

this accident, I heard it talked about and went to Micklethwaite's I saw the accident, but I was laid up, or I should have persevered further in it for the poor woman.

THOMAS SAUNDERS . I am a shorthand writer—I took notes in the trial of Hail v. South-Eastern Railway at Guildford before Mr. Justice Denman on 31st July—I produce a correct transcript of my notes—Brown was called as a witness for the plaintiff and King well also. (These were put in and read.) There was a summing-up and a verdict.

CHARLES FAHMER (Re-examined) I wish to make a correction; I went to Goodwood on the Sunday previous to the Guildford trial; I was at Brighton on the Sunday before the trial of Monday—I was at Lewes and Brighton races when the trial took place.

By MR. POWELL. I made a mistake—I thought the trial came off on the Monday previous to Brighton races, instead of after—I stayed in Robert's tent.

WILLIAM MICKXETHWAITS . I am a solicitor; I was admitted in Michaelmas term 1869, but did not take out my certificate till the middle of 1877, when I joined Mr. Fisher, Mr. E.L. Levy was then his managing clerk, and I have been associated with him ever since—he told me he was an admitted attorney—Mr. Fisher died in 1878, I think in June, and I continued his business in the name he had adopted, Fisher, Mickle-thwaite, and Co.—my name appeared in the firm before his death—Mr. Levy continued with me till the end of 1878, when our professional re-lationship ceased, but it began again in the beginning of 1881—during that period we had accident cases, I should say about ten, but the greater part of our business was commercial—the business was carried on at first at 28, Leicester Square, and it was transferred to 3, Lone; Acre at Christmas 1878—Mr. Ness the coachbuilder was my landlord—I first spoke about discontinuing the business in Long Acre in May, but I did not actually separate myself from it till June this year—Levy had a commission in respect of actions carried on in my office, which were won, which amounted to about 200l.—he received 20 per cent, on the net profits, the net costs on business actually introduced by him—I knew the general bearing of the actions, but I did not take any active part in the conduct of common law proceedings—I personally left the office in May, but I went there occasionally afterwards to obtain the winding-up of our affairs, and I certainly did make a few appointments there last June—I wish to correct myself; I made a mistake at the police-court—the first intimation of any severance was mentioned in May—the under-standing was that I was to withdraw myself entirely from the business carried on at Long Acre under the style of Micklethwaite and Co., but that certain actions which were then set down for trial should still be carried on in the name of the firm, and when they were disposed of a final settlement should be made, and I should have nothing further to do with the business in act, name, or deed—there was an action of Hall v. The South-Eastern Railway, Proud v. Smith, Perry v. Arbuthnot, and Wright v. The Tramways Company—I have seen Mr. May to-day; he is the clerk to the solicitor—I know there was an action against the South-Eastern Railway, but I cannot tell you the name of the plaintiff—I did not know it till after I was examined at Bow Street-—I don't recollect it—I did not know of the proceedings in Wright v. The Tramways Company, except that it was set down for trial or ready to be set down—

I do not know the date when the action began—I did not give notice to Levy that actions were not to be commenced or continued in my name in May—I have made a mistake in the month; it was June—I gave that notice—I gave Levy no direct authority to begin the action of Wright v. The Tramways Company—I was not near the premises—I was not outside my house for 12 days—it was not set down for trial in May, but there were cases coming on for trial—that is not a phrase which I, as a solicitor, would apply to an action in which a writ had not been issued, but I knew nothing about it—Wright v. The Tramways Company was one which, after I left in May, the Levys were to be allowed to carry on, but I was ill—Levy took out the writ in June in my behalf, but I did not know it was issued—I could not say that the action was going on in May, as it was not; but I knew it was on the tapis—when I left in May nothing had been said about his not issuing writs in my name, but he was not to do so in any matter which I had not cognisance of—it is true that on 31st May E. L. Levy had no right to sign Micklethwaite and Co., except in the way of routine in finishing an action before a transfer—I never knew that they were carrying on the business of solicitors—if you issue a writ in your own name, it is carrying on the business of a solicitor—I certainly sanctioned his issuing writs in my name up to June, because the business was brought into the office—neither Levy or his sons had any authority to use my name, except in business actually brought into the office, and I had a right to inspect the papers and take any action I pleased—if I did not, it was my own fault—I never gave them authority to represent themselves as solicitors in my name, and I don't think they ever did—that arrangement was come to in May, but it was not settled till June—I gave them no distinct authority to begin the action of Wright v. The Tramways Company, but that matter came into the office before or in May—I had actually signed a letter to the Governor of the Gaol at Westminster for my clerk to see Mrs. Wright, who was a prisoner there—I did not take away the papers in Wright v. The South-Eastern Railway and Wright v. The Tramways Company—they were either pending trials or actually set down—I never gave consent to a change of solicitors in Wright v. The Tramways Company—this paper produced is my short-hand clerk's writing—he was so on June 6th, and I was paying him—I can't say his name at this moment—I saw him last in June—I paid him the latter end of June—the body of the letter is his writing, and this is his signature per pro—he took that letter from dictation, but not from me—I say so as he was in the habit of doing so—I know that every word I say is more against myself than any one else—these are his initials,"G.G.S.;" his name is Salmon—that was not signed by my authority, except there was general authority—he had not general authority—he would not take upon himself to sign it unless he was told to do so by Levy or myself—I was ill from 1st to 12th June—these two writs are one in the boy's writing, and the other the short-hand clerk's—they were both copying clerks—I paid the rent out of moneys received in the general course of business, and if I was short I would ask Levy to lend me the money, and he would recoup himself—he was a man of means and I was not—I had no banking account in connection with the business, but Levy had lately—Mr. Levy has given me a cheque for rent when Mr. Ness sent for it, and I had not money to pay it—I cannot say whether on 8th June, 1882, Levy paid

Mr. Ness 35l. 3s. for rent—I was not there to ask him to pay it—he had an account with the Capital and Counties Bank—cheques have been made payable to me, and have been parted with, but I have not received the proceeds—I do not recollect any cheque being given me by him which I received the proceeds of myself—I received a cheque from him for 20l. on 30th May—I had to settle an action against my brother, Thompson v. Micklethwaite—I arranged with the solicitor in Birmingham to settle it for 20l., and not having any banking account I paid the money to Mr. E.L. Levy, and asked him to give me a cheque for the convenience of sending it—I paid him in cash, which I got from John Towers, of Barnsley—I think he sent me his own cheque, a country cheque, which I got cashed, or asked him to pass it through his own bank; I am not certain which, but I think I cashed it and gave him the cash—I was present when Brockley v. The Metropolitan Railway was tried, but I cannot recollect the date—what I said before the Magistrate was generally accurate, except as to dates—I think Brockley was one of the actions which was pending in May; it was tried in May or the beginning of June—it was for an accident, and 200l. was recovered—the money was paid into E.L. Levy's account, but whether the cheque was I don't know—I was very little at the office at the time, but to the best of my belief the costs were paid to his account as well—I do not know how the costs or the damages were paid—Levy was to get a commission of 20 per cent., and short of that the other professional costs would go to me after payment of stationery, clerks, and rent—I might not receive the money for weeks after—we used to make settlements occasionally, and say there was so much due to me and so much to Levy—I was the proprietor of the business, but the business could not wait for my coming up to order a ream of paper—I mean that Levy paid me sometimes out of a gross sum which he had received as costs and damages, and deducted what he had paid on behalf of the business—we used to have settlements when money of any amount was received—I know of no payments to Kingwell on behalf of the firm; none were made by my authority, nor do I know of any made to him by E.L. Levy—I believe I have seen Kingwell, but I do not think I saw him more than once till I saw him at Bow Street—there is no mistake about that—I never saw him at my office—I don't know of an action in the Mayor's Court carried on in my name in which Brown and Kingwell were or were to be witnesses—in the ordinary course Levy would not tell me if they were.

Cross-examined by MR. POWELL. Kingwell'S father has been a clerk in my office ever since I joined Mr. Fisher—I know Levy and Kingwell's father had transactions together, private monetary transactions—expenses were entered in the office, money received and money paid, and Levy and I adjusted our accounts and struck a balance; that would sometimes include the rent—this is the letter I wrote to the Governor of the Gaol about Mrs. Wright; it is dated May 5, and it was written for the purpose of taking instructions for administration—this is the office letterbook—it contains letters signed by me on 12th, 14th, 15th, 17th, 20th, 21st, 22nd, 23rd, and 24th June; all but one of them are addressed from 3, Long Acre—I removed my business books and papers from the office at the end of July or the beginning of August, and I might be there about a week before they were removed, looking in with a view to a settlement—I said before the Magistrate that I ceased to have anything

to do with the office after May, but I ought to have said the end of June—this refreshes my memory—I told the inspector on the second occasion when I attended at Bow Street that I had made a mistake—although I had very little to do with the conduct of these matters I was aware of actions going on on behalf of Wright—that was a special arrangement, and I made no objection to the use of my name.

Re-examined. I first saw this letter ten days ago—the first entry of it is June 8; that was after my arrangement with E.L. Levy—this book was got for the very purpose that it should be a fresh book under the different arrangement, so that Micklethwaite and Co. should not come into the fresh business at all—I always signed "William Micklethwaite and Co. "—I understood in June that this book was got few Mr. Moody, who was going to take over the business, and Levy said "I have got fresh books, a fresh letter-book for actions which are in initiation;"I said" Let those actions go on which are to be complete for trial, and we will send up the whole thing when they are done "—I wrote those letters, and gave them to the clerk to copy, but I never saw the letter-book—I was only carrying on the business at Long Acre in those two matters—they were personal clients of my own—I did not carry on the business in Long Acre after June, personally—I merely wrote a letter or saw a person there—I carried on my business at my private address at Brixton—I had London clerks and Brixton clerks—when I went to Long Acre I went into the inner room which Levy and his son Henry used—there was another private room that was mine; no one else used it till Mr. Moody came—he is a solicitor, and carried on my business in his own name—he came the end of July or the beginning of August—he had been there some time when I took my papers from the drawers of my table—I had a great many private papers and business papers in half a dozen matters which were pending, besides my own family papers—one was a Mayor's Court action, and nothing was done in the others—one was a mere matter of correspondence as to calling in some mortgage money—this letter of 24th June is not written by me—I signed it, but I can't say that I signed it on 24th June—I never wrote any letter in duplicate which appears in the book—I never saw the book till within the last 10 days, and I think it is within a week—I believe it was last Friday—Mr. E. L. Levy had it brought to him specially in the House of Detention at my request, to show to me because I wished to refresh my memory—to the best of my knowledge I never signed my name in blank in my life, but I may have been foolish and not known what I was doing—I have carried on business at Brixton since June 1 this year—I did not know that the writ in the tramcar case was issued by Micklethwaite and Co. of 3, Long Acre, solicitors for the plaintiff, till I returned to the office on 12th June.

By the COURT. This book relates simply to matters in which I was not concerned, but matters connected with my private clients are mixed up in it simply for the object of taking a copy—I must have directed them to be put in the book, but I don't recollect the circumstance—if it had not been so I should have put them in envelopes myself and addressed them.

JULIUS OCTAVIUS JACOBS . I am the solicitor to the Tramways Company—on 7th June I received this letter (J 6) I had previously received a letter enclosing two writs and two copies, in respect of a person named Wright for damage to a vehicle, and for administration for the benefit of

the children—that was the first communication—I endorsed an under-taking to appear, on the originals and returned them to Micklethwaite and Co.—it was to enter an appearance on 14th June, which I did, and on the 24th I received document J 10—I saw E. L. Levy I think fire times at Judges' Chambers—I attended to the business as solicitor, in consequence of those actions—I saw one of the other defendants, I won't say which, on a summons for interrogations—T was present at Guildford when Hall, The South-Eastern Railway was coming on, and mine was coming on next, but the record was withdrawn on 1st August.

Cross-examined by MR. POWELL. I have seen copies of three of the letters in the book—they are dated 1st, 2nd, and 24th July—whether they were made from the original I do not know.

GEORGE TURNER was recalled by MR. MATHEWS, and read further extracts from his diary, none of which showed that he ever got to the theatre later than 7.15 p.m. in the week commencing February 27.

EDWARD LAWRENCE LEVY* BROWN, and KINGWELL** GUILTY On all the counts. EDWARD LAWRENCE LEVY and KINGWELL— Five Years' Penal Servitude each. BROWN— Two Years' Hard labour. DANIEL and HENRY LEVY— GUILTY of conspiracy only.— Re-commended to mercy by the Jury on account of their father's influence.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour each.

Before Mr. Recorder.

ESSEX CASES.

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71. ALEXANDER COGHLAN BROWNE , unlawfully obtaining 50l. from Thomas William Smith, by false pretences.

MR. FULTON Prosecuted; MR. PURCELL Defended.

THOMAS WILLIAM SMITH . I am an auctioneer and house agent, of 27, St. Stephen's Road, Bow—on 5th April the defendant came to me and said that he lived in Vicarage Road, and had been sent by my cousin and by a Mr. Whipps, and wanted to borrow 50l. on the security of a house in Royston or Leyton—I refused to advance on that security—he then said that he would give a bill of sale on his furniture at Vicarage Road, Leyton; that he had a private income of 150l. a year, and was in business in Whitechapel with a friend, where he went to pass the time away, and went when he liked—I went to his house that evening, and he showed me his furniture—I asked him if there was any bill of sale or mortgage settlement on it, or if it was in any way encumbered—he said "No"—I said that I would make inquiries, and let him know—he said that he wanted the money for certain repairs at Royston House, and if it was to do him any good he must have it to-morrow morning, April 6, and that Mr. Whipps would guarantee its repayment—I appointed for him to come the next morning with Mr. Whipps, which he did—I said "Now, Mr. Browne, you will say that there is no encumbrance whatever; the time has been so short that I have not been able to search; I must take your word for it"—he then went with me to Mr. Forbes's office, and executed the bill of sale in my presence, and Mr. Forbes was the attesting witness—I then advanced him 50l.; if I had known there had been a prior bill of sale I should not have done so—J made a second advanee of 50l. on 10th July.

Cross-examined. It was to be paid by monthly instalments of 5l., three of which were paid—when he came for another advance of 50l. he read me the agreement for a lease, and I said that that was not satisfactory security—Mr. Whipps signed a promissory note—money was due in August, and he came to me and asked me for time—1 did not refuse to give him time—he told me that he was going to use the house as a boarding-school, and I know he got some circulars out with the names of references—when the money was due I went to his house and asked for the instalment, not for the whole amount, nor did I say that I would make him suffer or smart if he did not give it to me—I had an interview with his mother before the prosecution commenced; I went there and saw her—I did not ask her to set aside the money which she was allowing her son in order to pay my charges—I know what I am saying I went to her because I was told that she was the holder of the first bul of sale which was given—I said that I had advanced the money to her stepson, and I was informed that she allowed him a certain income; Was it 150l. a year or not?—she said "No," but when she chose she gave him 30s. a week, and that was given to the wife and children, not to him at all—I did not ask her to set aside part of it to pay me; if she says so it is a mistake—I have asked Mr. Whipps if he is in a position to pay his promissory note—since this bill has been found I have had a conversation with Mr. Whipps about his promissory note—I asked him if he was in a condition to pay it—I might possibly have been trying to get some part of the loan repaid—this is the bill of sale that was executed by the defendant—I advanced him 50l. under the first bill of sale and 50l. afterwards—there was to be 10l. bonus and 10l. interest—the interest was not to be charged on the whole sum.

Re-examined. I went to his stepmother to ascertain whether his statement about the 150l. a year was correct, and also to see the bill of sale that she held—I received from Mr. Wells's office a letter of 17th September—I had not received it at the time I went to see Mrs. Brown.

By the JURY. I do not make it my business to lend money on bills of sale—I ought to have searched to see whether there was any other bill of sale, but I did not do so in this case because I had no time—he wanted the money at once.

HENRY HALIFAX WELLS . I am a solicitor in Paternoster Row—I am attesting witness to this bill of sale executed by the prisoner on 29th November, 1881, on his furniture at Kingsland Villa, Vicarage Road, Leyton, in favour of his stepmother, Mrs. Harriet Brown, for 100l.—I explained it to him in the usual way, as required by the Act of Parliament.

Cross-examined. The prosecutor called on me on 20th September, the day after I wrote to him, giving him notice of this bill of sale—he said if the money was not paid he would prosecute—I have known the defendant some time—I have known his family nearly 20 years—his father was a guardian of the parish of Finchley, and very much respected; they are a very respectable family—I know that the defendant had taken the lease of the house at Leyton to carry on a boarding-school, and he was going to get an advance of 200l. upon the agreement from a building society of which Mr. Wormwood was secretary—during the time I have known the prisoner he has always borne the character of a most respectable man. Re-examined. I am the solicitor for his defence—he was not acting

under my advice in getting this advance from the prosecutor; I knew nothing about it.

HARRIET BROWN . I am the prisoner's stepmother—the bill of sale of 29th November was executed in my favour—I allowed him 30s. a week, and paid his rent and taxes—that came to about 110l.—I allowed it to him and hid wife and children too.

Crosn-examined. I know that he was also earning some money—I don't know how much—Mr. Smith came to see me about this matter, and asked me about the prisoner's income—he asked me to set aside some of Ids income to pay his loan, and unless the money was paid he should prosecute him, and I should be subpoenaed as a witness—I was called as a witness by him at the police-court.

Re-examined. The prisoner has never paid off the 100l.—he has not been in a position to pay it, not having a permanent situation.

NOT GUILTY .

Reference Number: t18821120-72

72. GEORGE FINCH (22) , Stealing two horse collars and other articles of Frederick Sibald Hempleman and another.Other Counts for receiving.

MR. BESLEY Prosecuted.

HEMPLEMAN.I am in partnership with Frederick Sibald Hempleman, manure manufacturer, at West Ham—we have stables there—the prisoner was our night porter, sometimes regularly, but latterly only temporary—on 4th October my attention was called to the loss of two sets of pair-horse harness, which have been shown to me by Super-intendent Sewell, and I have no doubt they are ours—the stable was broken into on the night of October 7th, and we lost two collars and two pair of harness—these are them (produced)—they have only been worn about a month—the value altogether is 7l. or 8l.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not know you to be dishonest when you worked with me.

PHILIP PYE . I am a carman of 27, High Street, Bow—early in October my man spoke to me, and I saw the prisoner at the Bose and Crown, Bromley—he asked me if I would buy some double harness—I said, "Does it belong to you?"—he said, "Yes," and that they were chain traces covered with leather—this was on the first or second Monday in October at 6 o'clock—I did not know the prisoner—I said, "I don't buy things in the dark; I had rather buy it tomorrow "—he said, "Where shall I see you "—I said, "I will be at my stable to-morrow at 7"—I went there at 7, and saw a sack, and soon after I saw the prisoner—he said, "There is the harness I spoke about"—I looked at it, and asked the price of it—he said," 24s. "—I gave him 18s., and did not see him again till he was in custody—I gave the harness to the police.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner, I never saw the harness till the morning.

WILLIAM FINCH . I am no relation to the prisoner—I am carman to Mr. Pye—I never had possession of this harness, and had nothing to do with taking it off the peg in the stable—on the Monday, before my master bought it, I saw the prisoner between 3 and 4 p.m.—he said, "Does your governor want to buy a set of harness?"—I said," I don't know; you can go and see "—he said he took it for a debt from Roberts and Cook's—I had not the care of it—I never saw it till next morning, but I was in the Rose and Crown that night when my master spoke to him.

ARTHUR SEWELL (Detective Sergeant K) I got this harness from Pye on 31st October, and these collars and harness were bought by Pennington and Cowley on 24th October—I heard of the padlock being broken, and went to the stable on Tuesday, the 10th—on the 24th Little Jack and Coombes and the other man brought these things, and on the 31st Mr. Pye gave up the rest of the harness—on 30th October I went to Holloway and took tire prisoner on his liberation and told him the charge—he said "I expected some one "—on the way to the station he said "Have you any one else in custody?"—I said "No "—he said "You have not the principal now j have you got all the harness?"—I said "No "—he said "Whose have you got?"—I said "We have heard of Pye's, but we have not got it"—he said "Have you got Pye in custody? they can do what they like with me, I will not bring others into it; I suppose there will be a trial job "—he was put with six other man, and Mr. Pye picked him out—after he had been before the Magistrate he said "I took the harness in twice to Pye's; I got 18s. for it, and Bill Finch had part of the money," meaning the last witness; I believe he said Finchie.

JAMES COOMBS .I am Mr. Hubbard's horsekeeper—some weeks before I was examined the prisoner came to where I was working and said "Is George Hubbard here?"—I said "No, he has gone "—he said "I have some harness, two collars, and two pain of harness to sell to his cousin Fred," that is George Abbott—I spoke to Hubbard, who said that he could bring them in the morning and he would look at them he said he had them for a debt at Roberts and Cook's; I saw them in the yard on Tuesday morning, and the prisoner said "I have brought those collars "—I said "The governor is not up"—it was then 6.30—I called my master, and afterwards Little Jack came and bought the collars and harness for 9s.—I saw the prisoner in Bromley two days after, and said" Little Jack wants to see you "—he said "Very well, I will see him at the gasworks when he goes to shoot his last load "—after that I helped Little Jack to carry the things to West Ham Station.

Cross-examined. I also received an old pair of reins—I did not give them up as part of them is cut off—they are old, and only worth 3d.

JOHN PENNINGTON . I am a carman to Mr. Hubbard, and am known as Little Jack—I saw the prisoner by my master's stable on a Tuesday morning—I don't know the month—he had these collars there, and I had them a night and two days at my place, and Coombs had them a few days—they were all over mud, which prevented my seeing that the inside leather was new—I washed them the same night—I said "Are they honestÍ"—he said "Yes," and I bought them for 9s.—I gave him 10s.—he took me to a public-house, treated me to brandy, and gave me 1s. change—finding they were new I sent a message to the prisoner by Coombs next morning, but I did not see him till he was at the police-court—I expected to see him at the gasworks when I was shooting my last load, but he did not come.

WILLIAM INCE . I am in Mr. Hempleman's employ—I saw one of these collars and one pair of harness safe in the stable the night before the breaking of the padlock—I had seen the prisoner at the City Arms, Devon's Road, Bromley, on the Monday, and said "We have lost some harness, and I believe you are the one what's had it"—he said "Yes, I am; I stole it, and I sold the two collars and harness for Little Jack—on the Tuesday night I

went with Coombs and Little Jack and took the collars and harness to West Ham Police-station—he said "Bill Finch must have told you."

Cross-examined. I did not say I did not care; Little Jack had put me away, and now it was my turn to put him away, and I would if I could—I did say that I had left Charlie on to the harness, and he was living with my wife, who had had a child by him, and that was my reason for wanting revenge—I did not say "You clear out of it; I don't think you took it; you will have plenty of time to get away before to-morrow night."

WILLIAM WRIGHT . I am a carman to the prosecutor—on Tuesday or Wednesday, October 4th, I missed some harness from the stable which I had put there the day before—Mr. Sewell showed it to me again on the 23rd October.

WILLIAM RIDGWELL , I am carman to Messrs. Hempleman—I was using some of this harness—it is my master's property.

WILLIAM FINCH (Re-examined).I am sometimes called Finchie—I can be on my oath that I never had a farthing of the money received from Pye for the sake of this harness, and I had nothing to do with stealing it.

Prisoner's Defence. I am innocent of stealing it. I acknowledge selling it. I am not at liberty to say who handed it to me. There were three more besides me.

GUILTY .— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.

KENT CASES.

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73. PATRICK MALONEY (28) , Feloniously inflicting grievous bodily harm on Frederick Ritchbell.

MESSRS. POLAND and MONTAGU WILLIAMS Prosecuted.

FREDERICK RITCHBELL (Policeman R 255). On 11th October, at 6.45p.m., I was in plain clothes in High Street, Deptford, speaking to a friend—the prisoner came up and said, "You sod, I mean to kill you," and struck me on my right temple and under my left ear, at the same time kicking my legs and knocking me down; he then kicked me in the chest and stomach—I caught hold of his legs; Durrant, another constable, came up, and we struggled with him for 10 minutes—further assistance then came, and he was taken to the station—while I was explaining the charge to the inspector at the station the prisoner said, "That is true, and I mean to kill you; I only tell you straight had you been alone to-night you would have been dead now; my brother done five years for you and has been dead some time, but I have lived to avenge him, and I mean to kill you the first chance I get"—I gave evidence against him and his brother for an assault on me and occasioning me actual bodily harm on 3rd April, 1876 (See vol. 83p. 550)—I have been in the doctor's hands 19 days.

JOHN WRIGHT .I am night watchman to Mr. Lyons, of the Old Kent "Road—on 11th October at 6.35p.m. I was in High Street, Deptford, speaking to Ritchbell—the prisoner came behind him and struck him a blow on his temple—I laid hold of one arm, but he made another lunge at Ritchbell, who fell, and Durrant came up and held the prisoner, who said, "Go on, I mean doing for that sod "—he told us to let go, and I went for help—when I returned they were gone.

WILLIAM DURRANT (Policeman R 152).I was on duty in High Street, Deptford, and saw the prisoner come from the other side of the road and strike Ritchbell a blow with his fist on his head; he then kicked his legs; he fell, and the prisoner then kicked him on his chest and body—I struggled with the prisoner; he threw me on the ground several times, and kicked me in the back—assistance came, and he was taken to the station—I was seven days on the sick list.

Cross-examined. I drew my staff, but did not use it.

WILLIAM KNAPP (Police Inspector R). On the night of 11th October the prisoner was brought to the station, and while Ritchbell was stating the particulars of the assault on him the prisoner said, "Yes, that's true, I mean to kill you yet; I only tell you straight, had you been by your self to-night you would have been dead now; my brother done five years for you; he has been dead some time now, but I live to avenge him, and I mean to kill you the first chance I get"—I took down his words at the time and have it here.

Cross-examined. You were quite sober.

PATRICK CAVANAGH . I am divisional surgeon of police at Deptford—my assistant attended to Kitchbell on 11th October, and I saw him in my surgery at 10.30 on the 12th—he had a diffused tumour on the side of his head, a little in front of and above his right ear, and a tumour on his chest bone, both of which were the result of violent blows—a fist would cause them if the blows were violent—there were also contusions on his legs, and two on his back—he suffered from deafness for some time, and from tenderness of the abdomen, which were the result of violence—I attended him till 4th November, and he was off duty all that time—I also saw Durrant, who was suffering from violence and bruises.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "When I was standing by the corner of High Street, Deptford, he came over and shoved me off the pavement. I got off, and he shoved me again. I turned round and asked him what he done it for—he said, Get out of it, and he gave me a clout, and I gave him the same. A constable came up. The man never fell at all He took me to the station. "

Prisoners Defence. It is true I did come out on 3rd April from five years which the constable gave me, and ever since that he and the other constable have tried to make me turn round several times and have knocked me about. It is me who ought to have the doctor and not them, and they used me cruelly. When I asked for the doctor at the station they showed me the poker in the grate.

FREDERICK RITCHBBLL (Re-examined). It is not true that I shoved the prisoner off the pavement, or ordered him off, or gave him a clout—nothing occurred before I was struck—I had not seen him for weeks.

JOHN WRIGHT (Re-examined). I had been speaking to the constable two or three minutes—I did not see him do anything to the prisoner before the blow was struck—the prisoner was in. Edward street before he struck the blow. GUILTY .— Ten Years' Penal Servitude.

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74. CHARLES TAYLOR (39) was indicted for and charged on the Coroner's Inquisition with the wilful murder of Caroline Elizabeth Taylor.

MESSRS. POLAND and MONTAGU WILLIAMS Prosecuted; MR. POLEY Defended.

HENRY DENNINGTON .I live at 2, Tustin Street, Old Kent Road, and am

a fishmonger—the prisoner lived in the sume house as me, with his wife Caroline Elizabeth and his two children, up to 18th August—they occupied ft shop and parlour behind it on the ground-floor as a wardrobe, and a bedroom upstairs, the front room—on "Wednesday afternoon, 18th August, about 3.30, I was in my sitting-room on the first-floor, having my dinner—I heard screams and ran downstairs—I saw the prisoner's daughter Caroline in the passage by the parlour door; she is 15 years old—I looked in at the parlour door, which was three-parts open, and I saw the prisoner and his wife lying on the floor in a pool of blood, with their faces downwards and their heads towards the fender—I ran for assistance and sent for a doctor, and a doctor and policeman came—the prisoner is a carpenter by trade—he had been living in the house nine months—he did not attend to his business, he was out of work pretty well all the time he was with me; he was sometimes in work.

Cross-examined. I never heard any quarrel between the prisoner and his wife—I was generally in the other shop—he was generally on affectionate terms with his wife until within a few weeks—the old people came up, and after that, for the last seven weeks, they seemed to be on bad terms; I heard so through my wife—I do not believe that the prisoner is a teetotaller; I never had anything to drink with him; I never saw him drunk—I think he was on affectionate terms with his two daughters, and was very happy with them—I was very much surprised at what had occurred—he was a very strange man all through.

Re-examined He was an unconscionable man, and kept himself shut up—he was a good deal at home—his wife assisted in attending to the shop.

ISABEL DENNINOTON . I am the wife of last witness on this Friday afternoon, 18th August, about half-past 3,1 heard a noise in the parlour, as if something had fallen—I came downstairs and leant over the banisters and heard a kind of suppressed groan—I was going to fetch the prisoner's daughter Caroline, and met her coming in at the back door—I spoke to her, and she opened the parlour-door and I went in and saw the prisoner in the act of cutting his throat, and his wife was lying by the side of him; he was lying almost close to her, leaning on his elbow—I saw he had something in his hand, but I cannot tell what it was—I saw no more; I left and called for help; the police and the doctor came soon afterwards—I had not seen the prisoner or his wife during the day.

Cross-examined. He was a quiet, inoffensive man—we saw very little of him generally—six or seven weeks ago his wife's father and mother came up from the country—for the last two months the prisoner and his wife were not on good terms, but until then we never Knew that they disagreed—we never heard of any disagreement until after the father and mother came up, and then she had a blow in the face—that was about two months before this happened, on the day her father and mother went back to Portsmouth—her face was tied up; she said it was toothache, but the bandage came off and I saw that she had a black-eye—she did not tell me that he had struck her till I asked her, and then she equivocated—she said very little at first, and I aaid I believed it was so, and she said it was a blow—I said "I did not think your husband ever struck you," and she said "He was in a very great passion"—she said no more than that—she was a virtuous woman—they frequently quarreled

after that blow, but I never knew what about; they never came out of their room, and she never complained—she was a very inoffensive, un-complaining woman, she said very little—I saw none of the quarrels, I beard them several times; I was in the kitchen and they were in the parlour, and I could hear it very plainly—the prisoner was never in the habit of making any noise, we never knew whether he was in the house or out until they quarrelled—he was always verv quiet, he went in and out and we never came much in contact with him—he always kept out of the way—I was rather afraid of him when I heard them quarrelling—I could not so in to see what was the matter; I could not interfere in it—I never had an opportunity of judging whether he was subject to fits of excitement; we always considered him peculiar, because he always avoided us and kept out of the way, he never came out—I never heard him talking or muttering to himself.

CAROLINE ELIZABETH TAYLOR . I am the prisoner's daughter, and am 15 years old, my sister is seven—we lived with father and mother at 2, Tustin Street—on Friday, 18th August, father and mother were at home—I was in the same room with them—father had been at home all the morning, in the parlour at the back of the shop—they had been quarrelling in the morning—I saw him kiss her and pat her on the head—I went out about 12 o'clock or a little later, and returned in about an hour—I met Mrs. Dennington at the end of the passage, she said something to me, and I went and opened the parlour door and saw both father and mother lying with their heads to wards the fireplace and blood between them—I screamed out and Mrs. Dennington came in, and then Mr. Bennington.

Cross-examined. Father kissed my mother when I went out—he had kissed her before, not very often, occasionally; that was a sign that he had made friends again—I don't know whether he was on the sick list of his club at that time—he never said that he had had a fall on his head—I never saw him have a fall—I never heard him threaten to commit suicide—I have heard him mutter to himself sometimes; I noticed that he was of restless habits—he was sometimes subject to sudden fits of excitement; he sometimes broke off in his conversation and spoke irrationally, without reason—he was kind to me—he did not drink; he had not joined anything, but he never used to drink—he was kind to mother sometimes.

Re-examined. He used to get angry when anybody annoyed him—by fits of excitement I mean fits of anger when something annoyed him; he was rather passionate—when he muttered to himself sometimes he was angry.

JOHN JOHNSON (Policeman R 319). On afternoon 18th August, about 3.30, I went to 2, Tustin Street, to the parlour at the back of the shop—I there saw the prisoner lying on his back with his throat cut—his wife was lying by his side, she breathed twice and then fell back apparently dead-lying on the floor, between the prisoner and his wife, there was a large white-handled carving knife with marks of blood on it—I sent for the inspector and the doctor—they both came—the room was all in order as far as I could see—there was a table with crockery on it—nothing was disarranged.

Cross-examined. It did not look as if there had been a fight there.

JAMES LEVITT . On afternoon 18th August I went to Tustin Street and into the parlour at the back of the shop a little after four—the prisoner was lying on his right ride with his feet towards the door and his throat cut—

his wife was lying near him quite dead—this large carving knife (produced) covered with blood, was lying between the two—the doctor had arrived before me and had gone away—I saw him move the prisoner on to his right side—he was in a state of collapse; he appeared to be conscious for a time—I knelt by his side—I had the knife in my hand—I said "Who did this?"—he said "I did," and, motioning with his hand towards the knife, "with that; she was always nagging at me "—he then relapsed into unconsciousness and was moved on to the counter in the shop and taken to Guy's Hospital the next day, where he remained till 27th October—he was then sufficiently well to be brought to the station and charged with wilfully murdering his wife Caroline Elizabeth Taylor, on 18th August, and also attempting to commit suicide at the same time—the charge was read to him—he said "That is right. "

JOHN GORDON MANWARING . I am a surgeon in practice in the Old Kent Road—on Friday, 18th August, I went to Tustin Street, between 3.30 and 4 o'clock—in the back room behind the shop I saw the prisoner and his wife on the floor—the woman was quite dead when I arrived; with her throat cut—the cut extended from two inches behind the left ear, right across the side of the neck in front, and an inch beyond the centre of the throat—at the right side it was only a skin cut, very super-ficial—before that it had severed the jugular vein and the carotid artery and the muscles—considerable force must have been used—if a knife had been used by somebody from behind and drawn right across it would account for the injury I saw—I came to the conclusion it was not a self-inflicted wound, from its severity, and because it went so far back—she died from loss of blood from the wound—I examined the prisoner—he had a wound on his throat about four inches long, almost immediately underneath the jaw—it had slightly cut the windpipe, but not sufficiently deep to sever the large arteries—there was not very much bleeding from that—I think that was a self-inflicted wound—he complained of the cold—I attended to him, and next day ordered him to be removed to the hospital.

Cross-examined. I could not say whether the wound on the woman had been inflicted from behind the left ear or in front from the right side of the neck where the cut seemed to extend to—I should almost think there had not been a struggle—I lean to the opinion that the wound was suddenly inflicted—the line of incision was not interrupted, it was carried completely through—it was very deep in the centre and inflicted with great force.

JAMES M'ELLIOT (Policeman).I went to the hospital on 22nd August in plain clothes, after the prisoner was taken there—the prisoner was in one of the wards in bed—I did not tell him I was a constable—he said something of his own accord about the 18th of October, which I made a note of a few minutes afterwards—I remained at the hospital all the while—he said, "About half an hour previous to this occurred I asked my wife to turn virtuous, and that I would forgive her, as she had had a child by another man; she said, No, I will do for you yet, and sleep with another man;' on that I flew at her like a madman; I did not intend to kill her, I had the knife to kill myself "—that was all.

Cross-examined. I was in charge of the prisoner eight hours every day while he was at the hospital—I watched him—he muttered to himself he

was not very restless—he was very reserved in himself—he said when he was living in America he went for a month and lived in the prairies, and that he left his wife and went to live like a beast in the prairies—he did not express any opinion as to whether he was coming out soon.

Re-examined. He said when he was living in Chicago he left his wife and went to live in the prairies like a beast—that was the only strange thing he said—I do not know whether that was true or false—he used to speak a little to himself—there was nothing else which struck me as being at all strange—he very seldom talked—Mr. Burroughs was the doctor who attended him at the hospital LIONEL BURROUGHS. I was formerly house surgeon at Guy's Hospital, and am there still—I attended the prisoner from when he was brought there, on 19th August, till the end of August, and saw him from day to day—I had been informed that the wound in his throat was self-inflicted, and I spoke to him several times to ascertain what the state of his mind was—I saw no sign of insanity about him whatever—he answered very rationally the questions put to him—after the end of August I saw him several times until he left the hospital, and during that time I spoke to him to ascertain the state of his mind—I saw no sign of insanity about him whatever.

Cross-examined. I have had experience of several cases of mental dis-order—cases of insanity are brought to our hospital occasionally—I can't say how many come under my observation in the course of a year—as soon as a person turns out to be insane he is sent away if he is in a fit state—I several times made a special examination with regard to his mental condition—he was suffering from very severe injuries during the first part of the time—it was one of my strict orders that he was not to be asked to speak—I saw nothing of insanity while he was Tinder my charge—my opinion is that he was not insane—I did not hear that he had suffered from delusions—I confine my evidence to what I saw—there are several cases where a man has committed a crime and it is believed that his mind is perfectly sane afterwards.

Re-examined. I judge from his manner, demeanour, and conversation in the hospital—I detected no delusions.

By MR. POLEY. Several times I had more than a few minutes' conversation with him—once I had about two hours' conversation with him.

Witnesses for the Defence. WILLIAM BICHARDS. I am a builder's general foreman, and live at Blade's Hill, Enfield—I have known the prisoner perfectly well for five years—I first knew him by his applying to me for work at the Hampstead Infirmary—he was under me, I was foreman—he was with me only four or five weeks at that time—he came to the office one afternoon, and said that there were Scotchmen on the job and he must leave—I tried to get him to go back, but I could not, and he left—seven or eight months after that I saw him at Bishopswood Road, Highgate, where I was building three mansions—I gave him a job there, and he worked on some time; but he was always complaining that people were against him—he said a man named Challen was a Scotchman, and I begged him to go back—I was afraid of him because I knew he was out of his mind—I cautioned several of the men not to inter-fere with him, and he stopped and finished the job in about five months—Benton was not one of the men—I next saw him at Cavendish College,

Cambridge, after the general election two years ago—he wrote and asked me for a job; I did not reply, and he walked down and asked for a job, and I gave him one—he came to the office one morning and said that Benton and Dickenson were Scotchmen, and were trying to do him an injury—I asked him if he would take a walk, and come back after dinner; he did so, and came back to work—a few weeks after that I missed him about 10 o'clock in the morning—we looked all over the building, and could not find him—he went away and left all his tools scattered about—I found he had not been to his lodging—I went after six o'clock to see if I could find him—I could not, and wrote to his wife, because we made sure he had hung himself—I got a reply that he had walked home—I did not employ him afterwards because I was afraid of him—three weeks before this happened he came to my house at Enfield—I offered him some tea, and then my wife went with him to the station, because I was afraid to go—he seemed so strange I could scarcely understand what he meant—he said be had been in good work and had saved a lot of money, but I did not believe he knew what he was talking about—I formed an opinion as to his sanity two years before.

Cross-examined. He worked at the Hampstead Infirmary for two months as a carpenter—he did his work fairly, but was full of mistakes—I paid his wages—I don't think there were any Scotchmen employed on that job—at Highgate he worked four months as a carpenter—at Cambridge, two years ago, I employed him for five weeks or two months—he did his work, and I paid his wages—he was a very sober man when he went away—when he came, about three weeks ago, he asked if there was any chance of a job—he did not say he had been some time out of work—I had work going on—I told him I could not give him a job—I did not tell him the reason—after tea I and my wife walked with him to the station and saw him into the train—I don't know if he had a return ticket—that was the last I saw of him—I never visited him—he did not threaten me, but his strange manner frightened me—he did not show any signs of violence—I thought it better my wife should go with me to the station.

CHARLES BENTON . I live at 16, Cambridge Place, Cambridge, and was a fellow-workman there with the prisoner two years ago—he was very strange in his manner—he left us without saying where he was going, and we were cutting after him—he said once or twice that if he thought he could do away with himself at once he should not mind falling down off the roof.

Cross-examined, There was no difficulty in his falling off if he chose—I told him to think better of himself than that.

JOHN WOODHEAD . I have been on intimate terms with the prisoner for five years, and was constantly in his company—about six or eight months ago he told me he should like to do something grand; he should like to join the Moonlighters in Ireland, and do some grand deed—he also said that if he did not improve or get work he should take his life, and on two or three occasions he threatened to kill himself—he said once that he felt he could go home and light the copper fire and boil himself to death—I always considered that he was on affectionate terms with his wife, and he always spoke well of her—I was a member of a benefit society with him, and he was on the sick list when this happened—I have got the declaration—I do not know from what cause, but we judged that it was from his own

depression—I saw him in Guy's Hospital, and he said that he should very soon be at liberty, and the first sovereign he had he would give, for Dr. Fowler to make a chart of his daughter's head; he is a phrenologist, of Ludgate Circus—he was very temperate, in fact he never drank—his brother found this paper (produced).

Cross-examined. It was about six months ago that he said be should like to do some grand deed and join the Moonlighters—he was not bragging; he seemed to be wandering—it was about the same time he said that if he did not improve he should take his own life—he was out of work at the time and so was I—he was not jealous—I have seen him two or three times a week for the last five years, and I saw him on the Sunday night one week before this occurrence—he had been out of work about a fortnight—he did not seem particularly low—he would get 12s., a week when he was ill and 10s. when he was out of work, but he received no out-of-work pay; he was on the sick list, but we are not allowed to declare what for.

ELIZABETH SARAH TAYLOR . I am the prisoner's brother's wife, and have known him many years—he was always very peculiar in his manner—he stayed at our house about six years back, and one night when his wife was above with me, there was a noise below as if some one was walking about in a terrible state—his wife went down to see what it was, and was with him some time; she returned and said that it was one of his strange fits—I knew her very well; she was a virtuous woman, and they were on affectionate terms—he was subject to fits of depression, and appeared very strange for some time.

Cross-examined. I should think it was something more than low spirits by his manner, but I can hardly express it, it was so curious—he had sometimes been out of work for some time—I never heard him say anything suspecting his wife, but she has mentioned it—she did not say whether it was true or not—once when ho was in a hospital very ill he said that he thought one child, which was dead, was not his own—it died in America, I fancy, for they were away nine or ten years—I know they were in Chicago together, but I do not know whether he left her and went to the prairies—he came back to Liverpool about seven years ago.

EDWARD JOSEPH TOLVEY . I have known the prisoner about two years and have worked with him—I always noticed that he was in a very depressed condition—ha earned very good money, but several times when I asked him how he was he said that he felt very low, and did not feel capable of lifting himself up, as if there was a very heavy cloud hanging about him—about a month before this he told me that he was a very eccentric tort of a man, and in the habit of walking his room of a night foaming at the mouth and roaring like a lion—he has often told me he should turn into a suicide—he was of a gentle, affectionate disposition—he professed to be a natural doctor, but phrenology was the principal thing—whatever you got into conversation about he would fall back upon phrenology.

Cross-examined. He thought ho could tell people's characters by the shape of their heads—he went about his work in the ordinary way, but he was very apt to make mistakes, and the governor told the foreman that he would not be again employed—he did not seem to use his brains—when he used the expression, "I am a very strange sort of man," he was quite sober, but I believe ho had been to a public-house with me—it

was in front of my house between 10 and 11 o'clock at night—I saw him for about an hour on the Saturday before this occurrence—he seemed to be in better spirits—a friend with me was humming part of a song, and he actually joined in with him and took the base part—there was nothing to attract my attention then.

THOMAS BRODRIOK . I live at 37, George Road, Inman Road, and am a fallow-workman with the prisoner—I noticed something strange about him four years ago—he made peculiar remarks, and his ways were very eccentric—he said that he had healing powers, and if the authorities of Brompton Hospital would allow him, he could cure all the patients there, and that he believed in phrenology, and that was his greatest study, and he showed me this circular of his (produced) on the subject, and other papers as well.

Cross-examined. In this circular he calls himself Dr. Taylor—it says "Children cured of all diseases. No cure, no pay, that is Dr. Taylor's motto," etc.—I don't think he was a quack doctor—he really believed that by reason of the knowledge he obtained in America he could cure persons who the doctors could not—he certainly boasted about his cures of people who the faculty could not cure—that was his firm belief—he was ten years in America, and I have heard him say that he lived in Liverpool.

Re-examined. He practised as a doctor to my knowledge in one case, and did the patient good—I believe he was honest in his intentions.

ROBERT JOHN SWANSTON . I am a carpenter at Bermondsey—I have known the prisoner from a boy very intimately—as a boy he was very reserved—he was very sober and steady, and I never knew him to be a violent character—he has always been very quiet—he never threatened to commit suicide.

JAMES TAYLOR . I live at 38, Leo Street, Old Kent Road—the prisoner is my brother—I lived five minutes' walk from him—I have not seen him fre-quently for the last eight or nine months—when I saw him ho had no strange ideas, to my mind—when he was taken away to the hospital I searched his house, and found the letter produced, in one of his books—he is a very quiet, sober, abstemious man, and very morose—he was generally on affectionate terms with his wife—I never heard him threaten to commit suicide—he changed from place to place in his work—I believe that was because he was under the impression that everybody was working against him.

Cross-examined. I believe he had a child die in America, but he did not tell mo he had doubts whether it was his own, or that he had left his wife there and gone to the prairies.

FORBES WINSLOW , M.R.C.P.I am lecturer on mental science at Charing Cross Hospital and editor of a well-known psychological journal—I have made a special study of insanity, and have been engaged in a great many cases of homicidal mania—I have been present in Court nearly the whole of this trial, but I formed my opinion of the prisoner from two examinations I have made of him—I saw him first for about 20 minutes this morning by myself in a cell, and I then asked for the medical officer of Newgate to meet me at a second examination to be made when the Court adjourned for lunch—Dr. Sparkes was then present, and I questioned the prisoner as to the motives he had for the committal of the offence; he said "I did the act in consequence of the adultery of my wife "—I asked him if he had premeditated the crime; he said "No,

it was done on the impulse of the moment"—I asked him whether he and his wife had been on friendly terms together; he said "Yes"—I asked if ho could mention any single individual with whom he could accuse his wife of infidelity; he said "No"—I asked him on what grounds he arrived at the conclusion as to the adultery; he said "From certain observations which she made occasionally"—I asked him to illustrate what he meant, and after thinking a few seconds he said that one day while at the theatre with his wife she exclaimed, alluding to one of the actors on the stage, "What a fine-looking man that is," and ho returned home and imagined that that actor had been carrying on intrigues with his wife—I then questioned him as to his wonderful powers of cure; he said that he was able to cure all diseases, and that his attention was always absorbed in considering the ways and manners of society, that he had visited the South Kensington Museum, and had seen there the bust of Oliver Cromwell, and in consequence of the similarity existing between it and himself he was destined to be as great a man in history as Oliver Cromwell had been—I noticed that he was constantly muttering to himself, and he informed me that he was jealous and suspicious, and never could get on with his fellow-workmen because they were always complaining against him, that he had suffered very much from want of sleep, and frequently during the night he would get up and wander about the room, that he had contemplated committing suicide on several occasions, but had never made any actual attempt to destroy himself—from my examination I believe him to be a person of unsound mind decidedly—I have heard nothing in the course of the trial to alter that opinion, it strengthens it—the second examination which I made with Dr. Sparkes was very much the same.

Cross-examined. Mr. Greenwood, the prisoner's Counsel, applied to me to attend here to-day for the purpose of seeing a man who was supposed to be insane, and who was going to be tried for murder—I do not think he knew who I was, and I did not tell him—I conversed with him about 20 minutes at each time, and that was quite sufficient for me to say that he is of unsound mind—he certainly knows that he is on his trial for the murder of his wife, and that it is necessary for him to defend him-self on that charge, and to excuse himself for it and explain it, but I do not think he had the least idea that I was examining him to test his mental condition—I do not think he has sufficient sense to make sug-gestions for his defence—I said "Had you any reason for committing the act?" I did not say what act, he knew perfectly well that I meant the act of killing his wife—I think I said "motive," not "reason," and I think he said "I committed the murder "or" act, "but it is immaterial," in consequence of the adultery of my wife"—I did not conclude from that that he was insane—I believe he suspected her, and that there was no cause for it—being suspicious without proper cause is not evidence of insanity, taken by itself—perfectly sane men often have a suspicion of their wives having committed adultery—if he had a suspicion of it that would be a motive for his being angry with her, so that there is nothing in that, nor is there anything in his statement that he had the power of curing all diseases—he might be merely a vain quack boasting of his power—I do not see any sign of insanity in that—I consider that his saying that he was destined to be as great a man as Oliver Cromwell is a sign of insanity—if he fancied he could cure diseases which other people

could not, and so make a great man of himself in his own imagination, I should consider him more insane, and if he believed lie could do it that would increase his insanity—I decidedly mean to represent that as cogent evidence of insanity—I attribute importance to his jealousy and suspicion, with the other symptoms of muttering to himself, and the ideas of greatness—I have known plenty of sane men who have not committed suicide, but who have attempted to—I do not believe that every man who attempts to take his own life is insane; it is not evidence of insanity by itself—I also base my opinion on his idea that people were plotting against him so that he could not get on with his work—I thoroughly believe that he attacked his wife and killed her because he suspected she had committed adultery, and that he took her life to punish her for her misconduct; it is a very common form of innocent suspicion.

Re-exammed. My opinion is that he is of unsound mind decidedly.

By the COURT. I asked him if he was conscious of the position he was in, and he began to cry, but did not answer the question at all—I asked him whether he could give me another illustration of anything his wife said which made him jealous—he said one night she woke up and said that she felt her heart shake in her body, and he believed there was some man who she had been carrying on an intrigue with—I have some-times seen persons suspect upon grounds which are ridiculously absurd—I asked him what his mind chiefly dwelt upon—he said upon the habits and appearances of people, their size, and the colour of their eyes, and those facts had occupied his mind for years—I asked him whether he was interested in what went on in the world—he said "No," his attention was only occupied with those subjects.

DR. JOHN SPARKES . I am acting surgeon of Clerkenwell Prison—I have seen the prisoner with Dr. Winslow to-day, and I consider him to have been insane at the time of the commission of the act—I base my conclusion on the history of the man which I have been able to get during the last few years, which I got partly from him, and partly on what I have heard in Court to-day, and also on my examination.

Cross-examined. I am assistant surgeon at the House of Detention and Newgate—when prisoners are brought here for trial I come and see them—I first saw the prisoner three weeks ago today, and saw him almost daily until he was removed this morning to Newgate—during that time he conformed to the prison rules—I made no report that he was insane—I formed no opinion of his insanity—I saw no single act which led me to believe that he was insane—if I had suspected he was insane I should have called in Dr. Carpenter, my senior, but he was away; there was no necessity to call in other assistance—for three weeks it did not cross my mind that he was insane—no single act led me to think he was insane; if I had I should have reported it to the governor—I should not let a man be tried as a sane man if I had an idea he was insane—I was sent for by Dr. Forbes Winslow to see him here to-day—I came at once, and was asked to be present—Dr. Winslow asked various questions in my presence—I formed the opinion at that interview that he was perfectly sane at that moment, but that at the time he committed the act he was insane, and that for years he has been temporarily insane for short intervals—when I formed that opinion I did not communicate with the solicitor for the prosecution—I was not aware it was my duty—I was not afterwards subpoenaed by the prisoner's solicitor; I was here, and

was requested to give evidence—Mr. Thomas (of the Treasury) asked me as to my evidence; and I said I was asked to give evidence for the defence—I did not definitely refuse—I said I did not know it was usual to give the evidence I was going to give, to both sides—I declined to that extent—the ground for my opinion that the prisoner was temporarily insane when he killed his wife is that for many years he had been morose and moody at times, and easily enraged, and had doubts of his wife which appeared to be without foundation—he seemed to recognise a subtle underhand meaning which nobody would give to it, and he was under the idea that she was going to leave him and live with another man—I believe that when he killed her he believed she had committed adultery, and was going to live with another man, and that lie did it to punish her for that, and because that belief was not practically well founded, I believe him insane—I have known many cases of men being jealous and suspicious without good cause—I do not call that insanity if not carried to undue lengths—his boasting that he could cure diseases is the sign of a weak mind.

Re-examined A man may be insane and have perfectly lucid moments when he will talk rationally, and at times a paroxysm will seize him, and he will be unable to control himself and become ungovernable—I am of opinion that, taking into consideration the history of the case, these different factors are features of incipient insanity which might break out at any time without adequate reason, and at such time a man would be perfectly insane—I did not know till last night that a plea of insanity had been set up at the police-court—I should not look for insanity in a prisoner under my charge unless my attention was called to it or I saw marked symptoms—I have seen a case where a man became sane in an hour after an outbreak—I had an interview with Dr. Winslow during the adjournment—Mr. Thomas came to me on behalf of the Treasury—I did not know the importance of his errand, but I stated my opinion.

By the COURT. I have been acting as temporary assistant Burgeon under Mr. Gibson for four years—I call a man insane when he is incapable of controlling himself—I should not say a man was insane who committed an act of violence when he could not restrain his temper unless I knew his history—I should not think a man insane because he cut his wife's throat, thinking her guilty of adultery, when his suspicions were not well founded—I believe he knew he was killing his wife when he cut her throat, and that he did it because he thought she was guilty of adultery—he believes he is destined to improve the world—I asked him yesterday the reason which led him to commit the crime—he said 12 years ago he had reason to doubt his wife's chastity, and his little girl had told him she had seen a man leave his wife's room, and that nine months after that day she had a child, which she never seemed to love, and it afterwards died, and that he had reason to doubt her chastity on several occasions since, and that at the time he committed the crime he did it because she threatened to leave him and live with another man—I said nothing to him about the wickedness of the crime, nor he to me—I think he fully knew it was a crime at the time he did it, but that he was actuated by a false belief as to her infidelity.

A Utter from the prisoner to Mr. L.N. Fowlery the phrenologist, dated February 9,1882,was read, in which he stated hit reasons for considering him-self a hero, drew a comparison between Wellington and Napoleon, asserted how

struck he had been by his daughter's remark that he resembled the bust of Oliver Cromwell in South Kensington Museum, and declared that he felt he was destined to be a public man, and to dash the Crowns of this world under his feet and establish a new Dynnsty.

JAMES TAYLOR (Re-examined). Mr. L.N. Fowler is a phrenologist who examines people's heads—that letter is addressed to him—I don't know the man myself.

LIONEL BURROUGHS (Re-examined). Once or twice a week, from the end of August until he left the hospital, about three weeks ago, I spoke to the prisoner, to ascertain the state of his mind—on Friday, 13th October, Dr. Savage, the lecturer on. mental diseases at Guy's, resident physician at Bethlehem Hospital, was present—he sometimes goes round the wards with the pupils—Dr. Tuke was also present—a conversation took place between Dr. Savage and the prisoner, for the purpose of ascertaining the state of his mind—the opinion I gave yesterday was partially formed from that opinion—I did not take notes of the statements made by the prisoner—I believed Dr. Savage took them down.

Cross-examined. It was partly on the opinions of Drs. Savage and Tuke that I formed my opinion—it was partly formed before I asked Dr. Savage to be present, because I knew this question would be raised, and I thought it would be better to have my opinion confirmed by Dr. Savage—it is usual for Dr. Savage to come to these cases in the hospital if there is any doubt—there was no doubt in this case in my own mind—I asked him to come in case there might have been a doubt—I had formed an opinion before the prisoner was examined by Dr. Savage—after I heard these doctors' opinions my own was strongly confirmed, and I became positively certain that the prisoner was not insane—Dr. Savage questioned the prisoner as to the presence of delusions—he did not state anything which I thought delusions—I only knew the previous history of the case from the man—I took his statements as true, and formed my opinion—I don't remember whether the prisoner said anything to me of the cause that prompted him to commit the crime—I have questioned him by myself as to his habits of life, and also as to his motive for committing the crime—he said he had had a bad wife all his life—I can't say if I should have formed a different opinion if his wife had been a good wife—it is simply a question of jealousy—people are often jealous without foundation—it would not have been a symptom of insanity—an attempt to commit suicide would not be a symptom of insanity—sane and insane people cut their throats—in some cases it would probably be evidence of insanity—moroseness of disposition and a keeping apart from people may be evidence of insanity—fits of excite-ment and mutterings to oneself would probably be evidence of insanity—a determination expressed to boil oneself in a copper would probably be evidence of insanity—all these symptoms, taken together, might be strong evidence of insanity; I could not say they must be strong evidence.

Re-examined. I formed inv opinion from what I saw of the prisoner day by day as a patient in the hospital—Dr. Savage was at the hospital and I called him in, as I knew the prisoner was charged with wife murder and attempted suicide.

By the COURT. During the whole of the three weeks that the prisoner was under my charge I watched him most closely, and saw nothing that made me suspect that he was deficient in intellect or insane—he was

perfectly rational in everything, and the best patient we have had in the hospital for some time.

GEORGE HENRY SAVAGE . I have been resident physician of Bethlehem Hospital for the Insane for 10 years, and am lecturer on mental diseases at Guy's—on Friday, 13th October, I saw the prisoner in one of the wards of the hospital—I had accidentally met Dr. Tuke, and he and Mr. Burroughs were with me—Mr. Burroughs had told me he had killed his wife and attempted suicide—I remained with the prisoner between a quarter and a half an hour, and put questions to him, with a view to ascertaining the state of his mind—I could discover no signs of insanity—I inquired of him as to his history; his answers were given quickly, without any apparent hesitation or preparation, and he laid stress on the fact that one relation of his, an uncle, I think, was insane, and that he had had an injury to his head by a fall of some considerable height when he was a shipwright many years ago—he said he had been to America, but particulars of his life there have been told me by other people—he said nothing about his wife—I asked him nothing about the crime.

Cross-examined. I see a great deal of madness—I don't know if some of the patients at Bethlehem are to all appearance rational to an ordinary person—we give balls and concerts there, and out-patients and visitors mix and dance with the patients—to the outside world they appear sane—it is a symptom of some cases that they are visited by sudden paroxysms; I should call those dangerous cases—in some cases it takes the form of an attempt on their own life, in others it threatens the lives of others—some patients have apparently perfectly lucid intervals, and then without any cause that I can assign or on the slightest cause a paroxysm will return—delusions are frequently present, and things are done with a different motive or a perfectly inadequate motive—there is no infallible preceding symptom before a patient becomes absolutely insane; you look for certain signs—it is frequently preceded by moroseness of disposition, reserved habits, threats of suicide, fits of sudden excitement, restless wanderings and incapability to remain quiet, delusions—if the history of a case were given me in which all these symptoms were present I should think it necessary to examine it very carefully—Mr. Burroughs as house surgeon had informed me there was a case about which he wanted my opinion to confirm him—I receive notice to visit all patients about whom there is doubt in the hospital—I asked the prisoner about his general health—he remarked he had injured himself, but was better than he had been—his memory was good as far as I could tell—I asked him questions about where he was employed and about his family, and he answered without hesitation and in a straightforward way—there was no evidence of hallucinations, of belief in spirits—his manner of answering questions struck one as being reasonable and consistent with mental health—one could get no sign or symptom of derangement of his senses or reason as far as I can judge—the way in which a patient answers questions is to a great extent evidence as to his sanity—this was evidence of sanity, but not conclusive evidence—it was not want of sanity—I had heard the history of the case—I did not know whether what he said was true or false—if I heard he was under a delusion that he could cure everybody I should say it was compatible with-many forms of quackery—I should not look upon him as sane or insane if he said he was going to boil himself in a copper—if he said he was going to dash the crowns of the world under his feet and found a

new dynasty he might be insane or a communist—I cannot say positively, knowing all this, whether he was sane or insane.

By the COURT. A man may be sane on some matters and insane on others—a partial insanity may exist—violent suspicion is a common symptom of insanity, but not a decisive test.

GUILTY .— DEATH .

Before Mr. Recorder.

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75. RICHARD FULLER (70) , Feloniously cutting and wounding Catherine Fuller with intent to do her grievous bodily harm.

MR. HOFFMEISTER Prosecuted; MR. FULTON Defended.

CATHERINE FULLER . I am the prisoner's wife—we were married four years ago—I left him nine months ago and lived at 2, Friar's Court, Greenwich—on a Tuesday afternoon my husband came in and asked me to go and have some beer—I consented, and we went to the Nile beershop and had a pint of ale between three of us—he went back with me and laid on my bed—I pulled him off—he said, "Will you see me home?"—I said "Yes," and then we went to the Cricketers—it came on to rain, and I left him there and went home to get my shawl, but when I got home I found him there—I said, "Here you are again"—he said, "Yes, if you shake hands with me I will go home"—I went to shake hands; he took hold of my wrist and dragged me to him—I felt something hot running down me, and got to the door and fell down—I put my fingers to my throat—he tried to pull me back by my dress and cut two of my fingers—I ran down the court and fell on my knees—I was taken to the hospital and had two stitches put in my throat, which was cut—I was taken to the infirmary next day—I did not see anything in his hand, as it was dark—I don't know whether he had a cake of tobacco—it was at 5.30.

Cross-examined. When he was on the bed I told him to get up, and I asked a man who lodges there to come and turn him out of the house; he said it was more than he dare do—the prisoner has been living with his daughter since he left me—he was not cutting tobacco with a knife the second time I went in; he could not cut tobacco in the dark—the knife does not belong to him—I saw it taken from his pocket after my fingers had to be poulticed.

WALTER CHARLES BURNEY . I am a surgeon of Gray's Inn Infirmary-Catherine Fuller was admitted on the 11th suffering from a wound in her neck half an inch long and a quarter of an inch deep; it was more like a stab than a cut—she had lost much blood; it was dangerous because it was near the jugular vein—she has recovered—a dig with this knife would do it, but force would be necessary, as it is blunt—she also had a cut on her hand, which might be caused by this knife; it was not dangerous.

Cross-examined. If they were struggling and he had the knife in his hand that would increase the violence—the only danger was from erysipelas setting in and from its situation.

GUILTY of unlawfully wounding.— Three Months' Hard Labour.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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76. ANNIE DRUCE (21) , Fraudulently obtaining 3lb. of meat and 9lb. of meat, with intent to defraud.

MR. D. LEWIS Prosecuted. WALTER GEORGE PERCH. I am manager to Alfred Jones, a butcher,

of Deptford—on 15th September the prisoner came and asked for 2 1/2 lb. of steak for Mr. Baily, a customer; I gave it to her—it was worth 2s. 3 1/2 d.—she took it away.

HENRY WILLIAM BAILY . I live at Deptford—the prisoner was in my service as general servant for ten months—she left 1st September—I did not authorise her to get any meat from Perch on 15th September—she never brought it to my house.

GEORGE AIREY . I am a butcher of Lewisham—on 20th October the prisoner came and said "I want some meat for Mr. Tighe, of Lee Road"—I gave her mutton and beef, weighing 11 1/2 lb., value 11s. 3d., as I had served Mr. Tighe for years and thought it was for him—she came again on 27th and said "I want a loin of mutton and steak for Mr. Tighe" and I let her have 9lb., value 9s., but having heard from Mr. Tighe in the meantime I communicated with a constable and charged her.

JAMES FREDERICK TIGHE . I live at 9, Torrington Villas, Lee—I don't know the prisoner—I never sent her or ordered any one to send her to Airey's for meat; nor did she ever bring it to me; nor did I authorise her or any one else to go to Mr. George for meat for me; nor did she ever bring it to me.

DAVID GEORGE . I am a butcher, of Lee—on 24th October the prisoner came and said "I want a loin of pork and a piece of beef for Mr. Tighe, of Torrington Villas"—I gave them to her as Mr. Tighe had been a customer, and I thought he had come back.

Cross-examined. You said you came from Mr. Tighe—you took the pork with you, but not the beef, as I had not a man to cut it, and said I would send it.

WILLIAM ATKINS (Policeman P 160). On 27th October I was near Mr. Airey's shop and saw the prisoner come out; I followed her, stopped her, and asked her what she had got—she said a piece of meat for Mr. Tighe, but as she went in a different direction I took her there, but he was not at home; we met him, and I said "Did you give her permission to get this meat in your name?"—he said "No "—she said "You know me; you have been out with me and given me money"—he said he knew nothing of her—I took her to the station.

GUILTY .— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

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77. ROBERT WEST (22) , Unlawfully attempting to carnally know and abuse Sophia Mattum. MR. DALTON Prosecuted; MR. GEOGHEGAN Defended.

GUILTY .— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

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78. HENRY MUMFORD (21) , Stealing in the dwelling-house of John Callan a silver scarf pin and other articles, and 5l.10s., his property.

MR. HEWICK Prosecuted; MR. GEOGHEGAN defended the prisoner at the request, of the COURT,

JOHN CALLAN . I am a greengrocer, living at 137, East Street, Walworth—I know the prisoner by sight—he is a carpenter and joiner—on the 25th June last I was removing from New Cross—the prisoner was helping me—I was in the house till 2 a.m.—when I left the prisoner was having his breakfast in my parlour—my son, missis, and three children were in the house—I returned about 6,30 a.m.—the

prisoner was not there—I missed the things mentioned in the indictment—they were all safe in the box when I left the house.

Cross-examined. My son is 21 years of age, and was a friend of the prisoner—the prisoner's father is a very respectable man.

MARY ANN CALLAN .I am wife of the last witness—on the 25th June last year I was at home engaged in removing our goods—the prisoner was helping us to remove—myself and three children were in the house besides the prisoner—at 1.30 I called my husband and I then retired to bed, leaving the prisoner in the parlour—the property was in a box on the drawers in the parlour—I came downstairs again at 5.30 and I saw my bank-book on the floor and the stable-door open; I called "Harry," but saw no one—I then went into the parlour and found the things had' gone—I also found my little mahogany box on the dung heap—the articles I missed were a black jet chain, a gold chain, Albert chain, a silver watch, a silver pin, and a gold pair of ear-rings—I gave information at Lewisham Police-station—I never saw the prisoner again till he was apprehended—my property has never been found.

JAMES TATTERSALL (Policeman P 42). I received the prisoner in custody about half-past 6 o'clock on 16th October—he said "All right, I'll go quietly, I know what it's for"—he also said "I did not have any of them; I had a woman in the room, I gave her half a crown; I must have gone to sleep; when I woke up I found the place in a disturbed state, and I then thought it was time for me to be off."

Cross-examined. The prisoner bears a good character—I have known him four years and a half.

NOT GUILTY .

Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.

SURREY CASES.

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79. MICHAEL COUGHLAN (40) , Feloniously pushing Leonard Hodder into the Thames, with intent to murder him.

MESSRS. POLAND and MONTAGU WILLIAMS Prosecuted.

LEONARD HODDER . I am a lighterman, employed occasionally at Butler's Wharf—I have known the prisoner by sight a few years as a waterside labourer—on 7th October I was helping to unmoor a fruit ship, the prisoner passed me and said he should like to punch some one's head; I turned, and he said "You I mean"—he took his barrow to the ware-house and came back, and as I had given him no provocation I said "You have made a mistake"—he said "I will drive you into the water," putting himself in that position, but he left with his barrow; he came backwards and forwards, and after the ship had gone the foreman came and gave me certain orders—I was then 18 inches from the water, I felt a blow in my back and found myself in the water—I went down twice—I can't swim—I was picked up by a lighterman, and was so exhausted that I could not speak—I had been ill before that, and have been bad ever since—I never had a quarrel with him.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You did not say to me "You had better stand back or you will fall in"—I did not stoop over and fall in, I had nothing to stoop for—I did not once have a lit at David's Wharf and fall into a barge; I never had a fit in my life.

FREDERICK HAUSMAN . I am a dock clerk at Butler's Wharf—the prisoner was a labourer there on this Saturday I was speaking to the foreman, and saw Hodder two feet from the edge of the river, and the prisoner gave him a push with both hands in his back, and he went out into the water—I called to Matthews, who was in our boat, and he got Hodder out of the water in three minutes, but he went down twice, and was going down a third time, when he was saved—it was the main river, where the tide ebbs and flows, and it was 18 feet deep—the prisoner was given in custody, but he disappeared for a time, and when I turned again he was at work.

Cross-examined. I did not hear you sing out "A man overboard," or see you run to get a rope—I was looking after the man in the water.

By the COURT. I did not tell the Magistrate that the prisoner said "Pull him out"—this is my signature to my deposition—that is right, I must have said so; that is likely to be true, as it happened the morning I was examined, and now it is seven weeks ago.

THOMAS ROBERTSON ALLENSON . I am carpenter on Butler's Wharf—I saw the prisoner standing with a truck a short distance from Hodder; he spoke to two men who were loosing the ship's rope—he asked Hodder was he one of their men; he said "No"—one of the men said "I think he is, one of your men;"the prisoner said "I will push the b——r over-board"—I turned to my work, and afterwards saw Hodder in the water.

BENJAMIN WHITSEY .I was working at this wharf, and saw the prisoner two or three times knock his elbow against Hodder; he said he would knock the b——r into the water, and I saw Hodder strike the water, but I did not see the prisoner shove him.

NOT GUILTY .

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80. MICHAEL COUGHLAN was again indicted for assaulting Leonard Hodder, and occasioning him actual bodily harm.

LEONARD HODDER, FREDERICK HAUSMAN, THOMAS ROBERTSON ALLENSON , and BENJAMIN WHITSEY repeated their former evidence.

THOMAS MATTHEWS . I am a lighterman—on 7th October I was in a boat off Butler's Wharf—I heard a splash and cry of "A man overboard"—I caught hold of Hodder, who was in the water, and got him into my boat—he was exhausted—I was 40 feet off when he fell in.

GEORGE DICKENSON (Police Inspector M). I was on duty when the prisoner WHS brought into the station—he began to make a statement—I told him I should write it down, and I did so, and I read it to him—he said "That is correct" (In this the prisoner said that he had cautioned Hodder that he would fall over, and he replied "No, I won't" and slipped, and he tried to catch him by his smock, and called out "A man overboard" and sung out for a rope)—he was quite sober.

----NORTHCOTT, M.R.C.S. I live in Great Dover Street—I saw Hodder on 9th October—he was suffering from an aggravated form of phthisis—I had attended him two years—he had been a great deal worse since, which I attribute to his immersion.

Prisoners' Defence. They had no business to send the man there to take his stand on the jetty. He has been laid up for a long time, and had fits, or something like fits. I had rather save the man than shove him in. I knew him before he went to America.

Witness for the Defence,

JAMES CORNELIUS . I am a lighterman, and live in Cowley Court—I

was working at Butler's Wharf, and saw the prisoner trucking fruit—Hodder was letting go the ship's ropes—I heard them jangling and rowing with each other all the morning, and Hodder called the prisoner an Irish bastard—the prisoner said "If I have much more of that I will punch your nose"—Hodder said that he would bang him too and punch him back—I walked along the quay for two minutes; I heard a splash in the water—the prisoner came up to me and asked if I could find a rope or a splint, and I directed him where to get one.

Cross-examined. They were both angry—my back was turned when I heard the splash.

LEONARD HODDER (Re-examined).I did not call the prisoner an Irish bastard or any name that morning—there was no quarrelling between us—he pushed me because ho mistook me for somebody else.

Cross-examined. I never had a fit in my life, and never was in Guy's Hospital or in America—I did not threaten to punch you, because I was not able—you are speaking of my brother.

By the JURY. My brother is seven years older than me—he was taken with paralysis and fell down on the wharf—they call me Jack, but I am not Jack. GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

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81. HENRY MORRIS (18) for an unnatural crime. MR. TORR Prosecuted.

GUILTY of the attempt.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

Before Mr. Recorder.

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82. HENRY ROBERTS (33) for a libel on Walter Ryde . MESSRS. MONTAGU WILLIAMS and CHARLES MATHEWS Prosecuted.

FREDERICK THOMAS STANLEY .I am a veterinary surgeon, of Montague Street, Stone's End—Walter Ryde has been in my employ two years and nine months as a nailmaker—on 30th October this letter (marked A) was handed to me, and next day I received this letter, dated Bristol, October. {The first letter was signed a "A Well-wisher" and stated that Ryde was in the habit of stealing nails and selling them to Ricketts; the second letter was signed "Henry Roberts," and asked for employment as a first-class nail-maker.) I directed my clerk to write to Roberts requesting his character and received a reply—the handwriting of the three letters is exactly the same.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I discharged a man about three years ago for stealing nails.

MATTHEW FOX (Police Inspector).I was at the station when the prisoner was brought in on this charge—all these letters were placed before him—he said, "They have all been written by me, but they are true in fact."

WALTER RYDE .I have been three years in Mr. Stanley's employ—it is not true that I have robbed him of any nails; I never told the prisoner that I had.

Cross-examined. When you came to London to seek employment I was with you every day, and we were very friendly; we did not have any words—I did not tell you that I was going to find part of the stakes for a dog-fight; you did not ask me how I could find the money, nor did I say I could take two or three thousand nails a week and bring them away in my pocket—I did not say that I sold them to Ricketts—I did not tell you that I asked Creswell to rob my employer.

THOMAS CRESWELL . I work at Mr. Stanley's with Ryde—he never asked

me to rob my employer—I never knew that Ryde robbed him; I never told the prisoner so.

THOMAS RICKETTS . I am a farrier at 4, Peckham Park Road, Camberwell—it is not true that Ryde ever sold any nails to me.

The prisoner in his defence asserted that what he had alleged was true.

GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

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83. JESSE WELSY (32) , Unlawfully publishing certain lewd and obscene books. MESSRS. MONTAGU WILLIAMS and CHARLES MATHEWS Prosecuted. NOT GUILTY .

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84. JOHN WRIGHT (42) PLEADED GUILTY to stealing two suits of clothes, value 3l., the goods of William Cory.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

Reference Number: t18821120-85

85. SARAH ANN ALEXANDER (23) [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] to endeavouring to conceal the birth of her male child.— One Month's Hard Labour. And

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86. THOMAS DAVEY (18) [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] to breaking and entering a school-house, and stealing therein a clock and other articles, the property of William Connolly.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

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87. GEORGE CLARK (30) and CHARLES JONES (18) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Jane Mary Cooper, and stealing therein a cruet-stand and 2s.8 1/2 d., her property.

MR. TICKELL Prosecuted. JANE MARY COOPER . I am a widow, of Angleside, Oxford Road, Putney—at 11.16 p.m. on the 3rd of November I went to bed, leaving all apparently safe—at 6.5 a.m. next day I went downstairs and found all the things in confusion—these articles (produced) are mine—they were on the sideboard, in the dining-room, when I went to bed on the 3rd of November—they were shown to me the next morning by the police constable.

MARIA CHASEMORE . I am cook in the prosecutrix's employ—I locked up the house on the night in question, and came down at 6.30 next morning and found the things disturbed—the kitchen window was left open and the blind up—it was shut the night before—I missed a box of matches from off the mantelpiece similar to this, and a pair of scissors—I found a chisel on the kitchen table which was not there the night before—I found a bunch of keys on the mat, and also some loaf sugar spilt on the mat.

LOUISA EMILY SMITH . I am in the prosecutrix's employ—this purse contains two penny stamps—it belongs to me—it was in the dresser drawer on the night in question when I went to bed—there is also a button-hook in the purse, which is the prisoner's.

ROBERT SAVORY (Policeman P 292). At 6.80 a.m., the 4th November, I was on Putney Bridge, and saw the two prisoners crossing from the Surrey side over to the Middlesex side—as they passed me Clark said "Good morning, sir"—I noticed Jones's pockets were rather bulky, and I followed them and got in front of them—before I got to the Middlesex side of the river I caught hold of both of them, and asked what they had in their pockets—Clark said "Boots"—I asked Jones what he had, and he said "A pair of boots"—I asked them where they had brought them from, and Clark said "Gray Street, Wandsworth Road, and we are going to Sutton; we have to go to Fulham first"—I then took them into

custody for the unlawful possession of the boots—Clark dropped two odd boots—a labouring man was passing at the time, and I asked him to take Jones until we met another constable, which he did—when Clark dropped the two boots he kicked me on the left leg, and attempted to throw me down—I drew my truncheon and told him I would strike him if he did not go quietly—a little farther along he dropped this purse, which I picked up, which is owned by the servant Smith, containing two postage stamps—I got him to the station, when I found another boot inside the leg of his trousers—I found on him 6d. in silver and 3d. in bronze—I found besides a clock, a cigar, two boxes of matches, a clock key, two pieces of candle, two pieces of indiarubber, and six cigarettes—with the exception of these I found the other articles on Jones, who claimed this purse; but it contains a button-hook identified by the servant—I found a quantity of loaf sugar on Jones, and a piece of an ornament corresponding with an ornament in the house—I afterwards went to Angleside and examined the house, which I found was in a state of general confusion—the kitchen window had been forced open, and it had on it marks corresponding with this chisel, which was handed to me by the servant.

GUILTY .— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

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88. NATHAN HEMERSON (29) , Unlawfully obtaining by false pretences from Howard Hooper and another a quantity of leather, value 16l., with intent to defraud, and conspiring with Mark Hemerson to obtain from the said Howard Hooper and another, a quantity of leather value 16l., with a like intent.

MESSRS. POLAND, MONTAGU WILLIAMS, and CHARLES MATHEWS Prosecuted;

MR. HORACE AVORY Defended.

HOWARD HOOPER .I am a leather merchant, of 89, Weston Street, Bermondsey—in June, 1881, I had us my partner William Cooper—on the 7th of that month the prisoner called on me, and said he came to buy some leather, and wished to see some—he gave me a card, and said he was a shoe manufacturer, and gave his address as Warner Place, Hackney Road, and Nicholl Square, Hackney Road—he selected a parcel, which was to be sent to Warner Place—he wanted credit for a week or so, to which I agreed, subject to his reference being satisfactory—he gave me the name of Marshall and Ray, of whom I made inquiries, which were not satisfactory—he called on us again, when Mr. Cooper saw him, and he gave him a cheque for 40l., which was dishonoured—I think we supplied him with goods to the amount of 160l. 11s., which I sent in a van with a clerk named Cranshaw—he left the goods against instructions—I told him to be at the prisoner's premises before 9 the next morning—at about 11 o'clock the prisoner came and asked if we had received the cheques—I said "No"—he said "They were posted, and ought to have arrived"—Mr. Cooper asked him to give us another, and when the others came he would cancel them—the prisoner said he could not give another cheque, that he was going up the Kent Road, and would call back in the afternoon, and if we had not received them then he would give us another—about 3 o'clock I went to his place in Hackney Road—he was not there, and I saw his brother—I waited until alter bank hours, and then returned—later in the day I sent my clerk to Nicholl Square, his private address—he went rather late, and we had left our office—next morning I received this letter: "I waited for the arrival of the goods until I could not wait

any longer. Will call on you tomorrow, and will give you a cheque. Would fend it, but you left no invoice "I also received. this telegram: "June 10th, 1881. Ascertained your cheque was sent about 11; should receive it about 4. Want butts particularly; sold all I had I then receive two cheques dated June 10th on the City Bank, Aldgate Street Branch Pay Messrs. William Cooper and Co. 87l. 15s., B N. Hemerson" the other cheque was "Pay Willam Cooper and Co. 72l.16s. E.N. Hemerson"—I paid in both those cheques to our bankers, and they were returned marked "Refer to drawer"—I then went to the prisoner's place of business, and found it was closed I then took out a warrant—I afterwards saw all my goods in the hands of several people, Mr. Wheeler, of Tuilleries street Mr. Branch, of Roman Street, Mr. Flemmming, of Green Street, and Mr. Furze, of Hackney-some goods sold by us for 180s. had Cross-examined. We do not expect our goods to be stolen-we do not Ret cash on delivery as a rule the prisoner wanted credit—I do not know whether for a week, fortnight, or a month he had not a shoe manufactorv—he had a warehouse, two rooms I do not know of his having a place of business at Dunlow Street, Great Cambridge street I should not like to say that he did not describe himself as a leather dealer—he described himself as a boot and shoe manufacturer it had nothing to do with my supplying him with the goods I had nothing to do with L books they are here—the prisoner complained on the 9th of the goods not being sent, and that it had put him to great inconvenience, as he had already sold some of them we told him on the 9th if he would pay cash for them we would allow him an extra 2 1/2 per cent, discount, as we were short of cash we expected to get cash for them some pay in gold some in silver, and some, in bank-note.—if it had been an open cheque we should have thought it satisfactory, as we could get it cashed at once-the goods were delivered early in the afternoon to allow time to get the cheque cashed I believe an invoice had been sent-my clerk found the two cheques in the letter-box on the Friday night late they were not there when we left at 6 o'clock I do not recollect one of the cheques being dated June 11th, or anything being said about one being dated the goods I saw at Silver's were half-kid-the goods I saw at Branch's were butts they are not marked with our mark, but I knew the dressing of them perfectly well—we commenced actions against the parties in whose possession we found the good, but we discontinued them and paid the coat. there was some little technical objection—one reason was the expense—I do not know Mendoza my solicitor is Mr. Montagu—I do not remember a reason for stopping the actions being that we had sold the goods to the prisoner on credit, and therefore could not recover against the parties it would be usual to enter everything in the ledger suppose—I see there is a folio for Hemerson in the ledger I believe he is a Jew-some Jew. close on Saturday I saw his. wife at his residence, and she told. me he had jus gone out, and expected him back every minute I took out a warrant the same day—l had nothing to do with instituting this prosecution.

Re-examined When Jews close on Saturday they generally reopen on Monday—his place did not reopen on Monday I believe Mendoza is the prisoner's brother-in-Law—this was to be a cash transaction—I thought the goods were for his boot manufactory.

By the COURT. We did not apply for the return of the goods—they had gone.

WILLIAM COOPER . I was at one time in partnership with the last witness, and was so on the 8th June, when I had an interview with the prisoner, who had been to our premises the day before—he asked why the goods which he bought on the previous day were not delivered—I told him we had not had the necessary reference—he then bought a parcel of Australian size, and gave us this cheque on delivery for 47l. 8s. 4d. (produced)—it was honoured, and the next day the prisoner called again—I told him his reference was not satisfactory, and he would have to pay cash, and I promised an extra discount of 21/2 per cent., which he agreed to, and ordered the goods which were sent that day in the custody of Cranshaw—I saw him again on the morning of the 10th, when he said he had posted the cheque—I had not received it, and offered to cancel it if it came, provided he gave me another then—he declined, and loft—I saw no more of him or my goods—I saw his wife about two or three months after, when she came to me.

Cross-examined. The prisoner may have suggested a month's credit first—I should have no preference in the case of his describing himself as a leather merchant or a boot manufacturer—the cheque he gave me for 47l. 8s. 4d. was crossed, and we paid it into our bank, and we should not know till Monday whether it was honoured or not—I don't knew whether the goods were delivered on the 8th or 9th—the fact of his cheque being honoured on the 9th did not induce me to deliver the goods on the 10th—he spoke of giving a post-dated cheque for the second parcel, and I noticed on Friday that it was post-dated—my partner had nothing to do with the cheques—one was paid to me and one came by post—the one for 72l. 16s. dated the 11th was paid to me and was post-dated for Saturday—I never applied for the return of the goods—on Saturday my partner got a warrant—I said before the Magistrate, "I never applied for the return of the goods; I applied for the warrant because I did not get my money"—that is in a partnership sense—I entered the account in the ledger as it now appears, probably the next morning—I was advised that unless we caught the prisoner we could not get our money from the other people—I saw the prisoner's wife four or five months ago; I learned he was in America; I told his wife if 'he came back I would undertake not to prosecute—she came to me in tears, and said she had just lost a child, and she was going to have an operation performed, and several things of that sort, and I said, "If it is so bad I will let him off"—I intended that to be communicated to him—I did not say I was willing for him to make a start, and that if he got on in business again I would come down on him for the money—I heard after his first examination that he had come back from America—I knew the warrant was still out—having once said I should not prosecute him I did not do so. Re-examined. I had not the slightest power over the warrant; it being out the Public Prosecutor carried on the prosecution.

EMILE CRAWSHAW . I live at Woodcroft, Sidcup, Kent in 1881 I was clerk at Messrs. Cooper and Co.'s—in June I went with a carman to the prisoner's premises—I received certain instructions from Mr. Cooper; I was to get the money on delivery—it was about 6 o'clock when I delivered the goods—I saw the prisoner's brother, he helped me unload the goods—the prisoner was not there—I believe I saw the prisoner's brother when I called

there another time—I cannot remember whether he took any part in the business—he said his brother had gone over to our premises with a van to fetch the goods, and he was to pay for them there, and I believed him and left the goods—I went back to the warehouse the next morning and made a communication to my master—I went again to the prisoners place the next day—the brother said the prisoner had sent the cheque on by post, and I believed it and returned, but the cheque had not been sent—I waited till after 6 in the evening, when the warehouse was shut up, and I called at the prisoner's private address and saw his wife—on leaving I met the prisoner coming towards his house—he said he had sent the cheque on by post—I said it had not reached us and that was why I had come up there to fetch it—he said he would come "back to the warehouse with me to see if it had arrived, and we went back and found it in the letter box—I sent it on to Mr. Hooper's private address.

Cross-examined. I cannot say what time that was—it was after six, that is all I can say—I do not remember that either of my masters ever told me to go back and try and get the goods—I had instructions to get the money—I had nothing to do with keeping the books—I left soon after because trade was bad—I expected a cheque when I delivered the goods. By the JURY. I did not deliver an invoice with the goods that I remember—we do on some occasions—I had the amount, for which I was to get a cheque, written on a piece of paper—I did not leave the piece of paper for the amount that I wanted—I had the materials for giving a receipt.

SAMUEL SILVER . I am a boot and shoe manufacturer, of 15, London Place, London Fields—in June, 1881, I purchased some skins of the prisoner—this receipt is dated 11th June—on that day I paid the prisoner 42l.18s.2d. for kid skins—I subsequently showed them to Mr. Cooper on the 18th—the prisoner said there was very little profit, only 1 ¼d., and it paid him to have a very small profit for quick returns.

Cross-examined. I knew the prisoner two years and a half before he was married, but had no transactions with him—I knew he carried on business at Warner Place as a leather merchant—I dealt with him for a month, and I believe I laid out nearly 200l.—that was before June—I always paid him what I considered a fair market price—I could not tell exactly what the skins were until I cut them up, and then I can tell whether I gain anything by them—when I cut them up I found I had lost money by them—these were similar goods to those I have referred to—I could have had better goods for the same money—it was on the 10th of June that I offered him a price, and he would not take it—he wanted 120s. a dozen, which I did not care about at all because they were very stale, but I chanced it—Cooper and Co. afterwards brought an action against me for those goods—they afterwards discontinued the action and paid the costs, but it cost me 10l. besides—during the time I had known the prisoner carrying on business at Hackney Road I had always found him strictly honourable so far as I could see—the kid skins were not branded.

WILLIAM HOFFMAN . I am manager to Mr. James Branch, boot and shoe manufacturer, of 161, Roman Road, Old Ford—in June, 1881, I purchased some goods from a man named Mendoza, as I am informed, out he sold to me in the name of De Costa—he brought them to my place in a van—they were Cape butts—he asked 13d. for them, and I offered

1s. 0 1/2 d., which was eventually accepted—this receipt was given me by the man who brought them (produced).

Cross-examined. I considered 1s.0 1/2 d. a fair market price for the goods—I had seen Hemerson and bought small parcels of goods of him prior to this, for which I always paid cash.

Re-examined. I did not see him in connection with these particular goods—the prisoner was allowed ready money to enable him on the following day to purchase again.

JAMES BRANCH . I am the employer of the last witness—before I go any further I should say that it is impossible that those goods which my manager bought are those in question—my manager bought those goods on the 11th, and the evidence is that they were delivered at 6 o'clock in the evening of the same date to the prisoner—I remember some butts being purchased in June, 1881, and a cheque being given—I cannot say the amount until I see the cheque—there have been three transactions besides the one in question—this is the cheque, dated 10th June, 1881, 52l. 19s.4d.—I gave it to my manager, Mr. Hoffman, in payment for some butts—I subsequently showed them to Mr. Hooper.

Cross-examined. The goods were bought at 11 o'clock on the morning of the 10th, and I dated the cheque the same day as they were bought—I saw the goods before they were bought lying in the yard—my manager asked me if I would look at them, and I told him if he was satisfied that would do—a leather packer came into my yard, and he said to him "What do you think of these butts?"and he replied "The outside value is 14d."—I got no discount—I paid net cash, and, considering they were bought at a sale, as represented to me, I thought it was fair.

JOSEPH FURZE . I am a boot and shoe manufacturer of Bishop's Road, Cambridge Heath—I had some butts and bends on my premises in June, 1881, which had been purchased from Mendoza—there were 572 pounds of bends and about 100 hundredweight of butts—there was an invoice at 13d.—I believe they were brought to my place in a van—I believe the amount paid was 36l. 15s.—I took Mr. Hooper to see the bends.

Cross-examined. There is no printed heading to to the invoice—I paid the money to Mendoza, and considered it a fair market price—if I had been up in leather then, as I am now, I should not have paid what I did the weight of each butt I believe is about 181b. to 20lb.—the weight of the bends I do not know—they were the first I had anything to do with. CHARLES FLEMING. I am a boot and shoe manufacturer, of 134, Green Street, Bethnal Green about June, 1881, I purchased some butts and other goods of Mendoza—a receipt was given, which Mr. Ogle, the solicitor, had, but has mislaid—I think the amount of the cheque was 26l. odd—I cannot say the exact amount of goods—they were paid for in cash—subsequently Mr. Hooper came to my premises, and I showed him the bends and things I had bought.

By the JURY. They were foreign bends—it is general in the trade for the bends to be branded—I cannot say if they were.

WILLIAM MARSHALL . I was formerly a leather merchant, and reside at 28, Wallace Road, Cannonbury—in June, 1881, I was in partnership with Mr. Hay, under the name of Marshall and Bay, Bishopsgate Avenue, Camomile Street—on the 28th April I commenced doing a cash business with the prisoner; after a time it became a credit account, and he owed me 240l. for goods supplied—he called upon me on the 9th June, and selected

a parcel of goods amounting to 107l., which he paid for in two cheques of 86l. 9s. aud 21l. 9s. 6d. on the City Bank—I refused the cheques three times at the same interview—he represented to me he had a large balance at his bankers, about 1,000l.—he also told me if he wanted any money he could get 1,000l. from his father-in-law at any time—I subsequently consented to send the goods on his representations—he said he had been manufacturing boots and shoes, but he intended to go into the leather trade—I understood his address was Warner Terrace—he said that he had been giving large cheques to men he had been doing business with, or he would have given me a cheque for the whole amount—he mentioned Cooper and Co., of Bermondsey, and I believe he mentioned Wichelow—I paid the cheques in to the London and Westminster Bank, Lothbury, and they were returned to my place of business at Northampton, marked "Refer to drawer "—afterwards I saw a quantity of my goods at Silver's, and he offered to sell them back to me at a profit of 15 per cent, to him self—in consequence of these and other heavy losses I had to liquidate.

Cross-examined. My liquidation was not till November I think—the prisoner told me he could give me a cheque for the previous account if I wished, but he wanted to pay for some heavy purchases in Bermondsey on the following day—I believed he had 1,000l. at his bankers—I cannot recollect his words, but he led me to suppose so—we applied for the warrant—I believe the warrant was not obtained—we heard the man had absconded.

ARTHUR CHARLES MILLS . I am a clerk in the City Bank, Old Street Branch, where the prisoner had an account in June, 1881—it was opened on 28th May, 1881—there was a balance to his account on 9th June, after payment of a cheque for 47l., of 21l.—on 10th June the balance was drawn down to 21. 4s.—these two cheques for 87l. 15s. and 72l.16s. were then presented and returned by the bank marked "Refer to drawer "—I have an examined copy of the account, if necessary.

Cross-examined. There was a payment in on 10th June of 20l.—I have all the cheques here—I have cheques in favour of Marshall and Bay, amounting to about 61l.

JOHN BRAGAN {Police Sergeant M). From information I received I went to Hackney Road and saw the prisoner at about 8 o'clock on the evening of the 6th of last month—I said "Is your name Nathan Hemerson?"—he said "No "—I said "Oh yes it is; you know me"—he said "I do not know you, but my name is Hemerson, and what about it?"—I then said "I am a detective officer, and I hold a warrant for your arrest for wilfully and fraudulently obtaining a large quantity of leather from Messrs. Cooper, of Russell Street, Bermondsey, and I will read it to you if you wish"—he said "I do not wish you to; I know all about it. Are you aware that my wife called on Mr. Cooper about two months ago, and he has given her a written statement to the effect that he will not prosecute me, and on those conditions I have returned from America?"—I served a summons at the address of the prisoner's brother—he did not appear, and a warrant was granted, but we have not been able to trace him—1 had a transaction with Mendoza about five years ago.

Cross-examined. I went originally to his house in 1881 on a Saturday evening.

JAMES BRANCH (Re-examined). This invoice is dated 10th June from me to Mr. E, N. Hemerson, wholesale boot and shoe manufacturer,

1,017 lb. butts "—upon that date this cheque for 52l. 19s.4d. was signed by me.

The prisoner received a good character.

GUILTY.Recommended to mercy by the Jury, on account of the promise not to prosecute which was given by Mr. Hooper to the prisoner's wife. Six Months' Hard Labour.

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89. JAMES WATKINS (20) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of John Paddon. and stealing a biscuit tin, four salt cellars, and other articles, his goods.

MR. WILMOT Prosecuted. JOHN PADDON .I am a merchant, living at Woodside Court, Croydon—on the morning of the 29th September my attention was called by my servant to the condition of the premises, when I found that a window leading from the lawn into the servants' hall had been opened—it was the duty of the servants to see that it was shut the night before—I found a Milner's safe had been tampered with in the smoking-room—the brass cover of the keyhole had been taken off—I missed from the morning room a pair of boots, a sewing machine, a silk handkerchief, and a biscuit box, and a small timepiece was taken from the mantelpiece in the smoking-room—I went outside and saw the window open, and I noticed a barrel under the window which, if a person stood on, he could easily enter the room—I identify these articles as my property (produced).

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. The pair of boots I identified at the police-court as the pair I had worn the day previous to the robbery, and the other articles I identify by being in the habit of seeing them every day.

FANNY FRANCIS . I am housemaid to Mr. Paddon—I went to bed soon after 10 o'clock on the 28th September—I know the windows were shut, but I do not know that they were fastened—I found the next morning the cupboards and drawers in the morning room disarranged, and the doors of the cheffonier open and things taken out—I went into the smoking-room and found it in the same state—wax tapers had been struck and were lying on the floor by the safe—I also missed this timepiece (produced) from the smoking-room, and a pair of boots belonging to Mr. Paddon from the morning room, and a fur tippet and necktie, also some salt spoons and salt cellars, which I identify—I have seen them every day, and have no doubt about them—I cannot swear to these carving forks.

Cross-examined. There is no particular mark on the saltcellars—I have never seen you about the place.

MARY DIGANS . I am parlour maid to Mr. Paddon—I went to bed on the 28th September soon after 10 o'clock—the window that leads on the lawn was shut—I cannot say whether it was fastened—I was called down the next morning by the last witness, and I went to the pantry, where I had left some plate overnight and found that some of it had gone—I missed four salt-cellars, spoons, a biscuit-tin, and a carving knife and fork—I had to clean them, and saw them every day—I have no doubt about them.

Cross-examined. I do not remember seeing you about the place.

WILLIAM WOOD HERD . I am manager at Messrs. Gay ton's, pawnbroker's, of 25, King Street, Richmond—on the 29th September last the

prisoner came into the shop between 11 and 12 o'clock and offered three carrying knives and forks, one being a poultry carver, and also this pair man's boots-these are the articles before me—I asked him as to his being the owner of the property, and he said he bought them of a man in the street I asked him why he should buy them of a man in the Street and after a moment's hesitation he said he bought them at a shop in Brentford town a few doors from Brentford Bridge on the right, or left side of the road—I was not satisfied with that explanation, and I sent for a constable and gave him into custody.

Cross-examined. I think you said 14, High Street Brentford—we sent an employe of ours to ascertain if there was such a shop in existence, and there was not.

CHARLES HENSON (Policeman VR 30).I was sent for to Mr. Gaytons shop on the 29th September—Mr. Herd handed me over these articles the prisoner was in the shop at the time, and I asked him how he came in possession of them he told me he bought them of a man in Brentford—I told him I was not satisfied with that, and I took him into custody—I searched him at the station and found this timepiece on him with a silk handkerchief over it, also these four saltcellars and spoons to match them in his trousers pockets also a silver watch-chain, It. in silver, and 3d. in bronze, a box of still matches, a wax taper, and two pocket-knives.

FRANCIS LEE (Policeman V 23) I took the prisoner from Richmond to Croydon—on the way he volunteered a statement and said "At 7.30 on Friday morning a man stopped me on the road to Brentford and asked me if I wanted to buy a timepiece, as he had broken up his home; he went over the road and fetched the other things which were in a basket, and I bought them "—I asked him how much he gave for them and he replied "Money"—he did not tell me how much—I asked him where he slept on the 28th September, and he said at his lodgings in Sandy Lane, Richomond.

The prisoner in his defence repeated what he told the police-officer, and said he gave 6s. for the articles; that he went to a pawnbroker's with them, and they sent for the polite

GUILTY .The prisoner also PLEADED GUILTY to having been convicted of felony in January, 1877,at Taunton, in Somer Eighteen Months Hard Labour. There was another indictment against the prisoner, on which no evidence was offered.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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90. ELIZA ANN REED (29) , Feloniously marrying Alfred Tidman during the lifetime of her husband.

MESSRS. RAVEN and STUTFIELD Prosecuted.

JAMES SANCTUARY (Policeman M 15).I produce copy certificate of marriages of 6th May, 1874, between James Reed and Eliza Ann Henderson, and of 10th. March, 1879, between Eliza Ann Henderson and Alfred Tidman—I have examined the register and find the copies correct—I apprehended the prisoner on 9th November—I read the warrant to her—8he made a statement—I cautioned her and said it would be taken down I read it to her at the station she said "Alfred Tidman my husband, made inquiries after my first husband, and told me that he had left his situation as barman, and had gone out to Cape Town, and was

shipwrecked on the voyage. I then married him, believing my first husband was dead. I did not know he was living or anything of him, till my husband Tidman told me last night. Iam quite innocent of having done wrong. It is true I was married as stated to James Reed, and afterwards to Alfred Tidman."

ALFRED TIDMAN . I am a dock loader, and live at 16, Little Thames Street—on 10th March, 1879, I was married at Trinity Church, Newington, to the prisoner, Eliza Henderson—I knew her, but I did not know she had been married—she did not say anything to me about her previous husband—I did not inquire—in a terrific row we had, she said" If my James was here and heard you say what you do, he would give you a good hiding"—I had not heard of her James till she said that in her temper.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not know you in 1872—I went out with you as your sweetheart in 1875—I did not tell you I had made inquiries about your husband and found he had left his situation as barman and emigrated to Cape Town, but was shipwrecked—I have not had your money, watch, nor rings, nor hunted you about.

GEORGE HENDERSON . I am a bootmaker of 37, Graylands Road, Peck-ham—I am the prisoner's brother—I was present at her marriage on 6th May,1864, at St. George's Church, Southwark, to James Reed—James Reed is in Court—her first husband disappeared through a bother on Christmas Eve, 1878—there was no family—Reed did not go to Cape Town.

In defence the prisoner repeated her statement to the police, and added tliat Tidman had deceived her and ill-treated her for four years.

GUILTY .— One Month's Hard Labour.

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91. EDWIN MARES (33) , Stealing a purse and 13s. 2d., the goods and moneys of Lydia Gamble, from her person.

MR. PARTRIDGE Prosecuted.

LYDIA GAMBLE .I am a single woman, of North Surrey School, Amberley—on Thursday, 19th October, I was in Newington Butts, looking in a shop window—I felt my purse taken from my outside coat pocket—I turned my head quickly and saw the prisoner walking away—I ran after him—I said "That is the man"—he was caught in Short Street, and taken into custody—I did not lose sight of him—a crowd gathered—my purse was picked up—my name is on the leaf of the book—13s. 2d. was in it.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not want to charge you—I freely forgave you—I am not prosecuting—the money was returned—it fell out of the purse.

WILLIAM SMITH . I am a shoemaker, of 14, Walworth Road—on 19th October I was at the corner of Short Street—I saw the prisoner run—I saw him drop this purse in the middle of Short Street—I picked it up and handed it to the policeman when the gentleman stopped the prisoner—I picked up 1s. 2d.—I saw a half sovereign and two railway tickets inside the purse.

JOHN M'DOWELL (Policeman).I was on duty at the Elephant and Castle on 19th October about 11.45—1 heard cries of "Stop thief!"—I saw the prisoner running and followed by a man—he was caught in Short Street and handed over to my custody—I took him to the lady,

who declined to charge him, as she was ill—she said "This is the man that has taken my purse while looking in the shop window "—the prisoner said "It was not me"—Smith gave me the purse and said "That is the man who threw the purse in the road"—the prisoner made no reply.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. Two constables came up at the same time. The prisoner, in defence, said he was going for a situation when he was stopped.

GUILTY .

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92. The said EDWIN MARES was again indicted for stealing a bag, a card-case, and a piece of paper, the goods of Frances Wormald.

MR. PARTRIDGE Prosecuted. JOHN M'DOWELL (Policeman P 114). When I had the prisoner in charge he put his hand into his right-hand pocket, and then put it behind his back—I was on the left-hand side—on the way to the station he dropped this case—the witness Stevens picked it up—he said "Master, that man has thrown this case down "—the prisoner said "That does not belong to me"—the cheque and ticket produced were in the case, also a card for Epsom Spring races.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You had gone 300 yards when you put your hand behind you—the boy picked up the case in Carter Street.

CHARLES STEVENS . I am a house decorator, and live at 66, Jocelyn Street, Peckham—on 19th October I saw the prisoner in custody—he put his right hand outside his left pocket, and held the card-case behind his back, offering it to me and my brother—he waved it—I would not take it—he put it in his pocket—before he went down the steps of the police-station he threw it down—I saw my brother pick it up and take it to the policeman.

THOMAS STEVENS . I am Charles Stevens's brother—I was with him when the prisoner was in the policeman's custody—before he got to the station he put his right hand to his left-hand pocket and pulled out a purse and put it behind his back—he looked round, showing: to us, wagging it in his hand—in a yard or two he threw it down—I picked it up and took it to the policeman.

FRANCES WORMALD . I am a widow, of Epping House, Hertford—this case is like one I possessed—it was in the bag which was stolen from my brougham, which was waiting at Marshall and Snellgrove's, in Oxford Street, on 29th September—other articles were in the bag, including this cheque—this is the counterfoil—it is not filled up in my name—I had some visiting cards in the case—I do not recognise these cards produced (wine merchants' cards)—the value of the articles I lost was about 30s.

WILLIAM PUTTOCK (Detective P). On 19th October I charged the prisoner with unlawful possession of a cheque—I asked him how he came by it—he said "I picked it up on a race course; I am very sorry. I filled it in. I never attempted to utter it"—he was detained from the 19th to the 20th.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You did not say it belonged to a swell because it had a card in it. The prisoner, in defence, said he accidentally dropped the case and owned it;

an address was on it, and in it an application for a loan, lie had had it in his pocket fifteen days, having found it on 4th October.

GUILTY.* of receiving. He also PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony in March, 1882, at Guildhall.— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

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93. SYDNEY JOHNSON (49) , Unlawfully obtaining 100l. and other sums from Joseph Everett and others, with intent to defraud. MESSRS. MONTAGU WILLIAMS and MEAD Prosecuted; MR. FILLAN Defended.

JOHN WOOD . I am a beer retailer at the Ale Stores, 2, Park Terrace, Markfield Road, South Tottenham—on Friday, 18th February, 1881, I saw this advertisement in the Daily Chronicle—I made a copy of if.(This teas for a manager for a first-class of licensed beer house; 75l. being required as a deposit. Apply at 2, Gunton Placet Peckham Rye.) I saw another advertisement in the Daily Chronicle on Monday, 7th February, 1881—I madethiscopy of it at the same time.(This was far a man and wife to manage a first-class off licensed house in the West End; 150l. required as security. Apply at the same address.) I went to 2, Gunton Place on the 18th—I saw Mr. Larking, whom I afterwards found to be the prisoner's son-in-law—from what he said I went to the Surrey Arms beer-house, near the Crystal Palace Road—I looked at the house and then went to Gunton Place and saw Larking, who introduced me to the prisoner—I said "The Surrey Arms was not good, enough for me"—he said "I have other houses; there is one at Sydenham, that possibly would suit you "—he gave me an address—I afterwards went to No. 2, Park Terrace, Markfield Road, South Tottenham—a Mr. Kellod was in possession, and the name up was "Henry Philip Larking, licensed to sell beer to be consumed off the premises "—the next day I went back to see the prisoner—I said the house was not so good as I expected, but I would take it and do the best I could for him with it—I said "Are the rent and taxes paid and is there a lien on the house?"—he answered "No, I have bought it as a present for my son-in-law "—he asked me if I was prepared with 75l.—I said I had got the money at home, but seeing the size of the house and the business I thought 40l. would be sufficient—I agreed to pay it—I paid him the 40l. deposit—I told him I held an appointment for one of the City Companies, but with the exception of eight to twelve days a quarter my time was my own—he said he was a Freemason and a Vintner—I engaged to meet him the following Monday—when I met him on Monday, 21st February, he produced this agreement—I paid him 20l. deposit—I went into possession the following Saturday, 26th, when I paid him the remaining 20l., and the agreement was signed and the matter settled—my wife said to the prisoner" My husband is being defrauded out of his money "—Johnson said "Nothing of the kind, the money is as safe as it is in the bank; you can get it back at any time"—he said more stock was coming in the following Monday, and that the house was to be thoroughly decorated and cleaned, and the gas laid on—he said the licence was in the name of Larking—nothing was done to the house—a barrel of ale was sent once or twice in the two months—I went and told Larking I had no beer—when the prisoner ceased to supply me I bought beer for myself—in consequence of a conversation between me and Larking on 30th April, I saw Johnson and he handed me this notice.(To deliver up the premises that day month.) Larking and Shine were present—Johnson said he was on the point of disposing of

the business to Mr. Hicks, and Mr. Shine was to make an application with regard to the licence—he said he would settle with me—on 25th May I received this letter from him.(To arrange to stop in the house so that it should not be closed before the 14th June, and promising to settle if no arrangement was made with the brewers.) He did not keep his promise to settle although I made no arrangement with the brewers—an action of ejectment was brought against me, in consequence of which I delivered up the premises about the middle of December—I afterwards took possession as tenant of Mr. Parks, the freeholder—I paid 15s. property tax and got this receipt; also for duties and licences 4l., 16s.4 3/4 d—I was still a tenant of the freeholder—I have not received my deposit back from the prisoner—I have written several times for it—I have received no answer—one letter was returned through the Dead Letter Office—I have tried to see Johnson, but could never find him—an exciseman called about my selling beer, in consequence of which I paid him excess money.

Cross-examined. I had not been a publican before—I did not consult my wife—I do sometimes—she is a sensible business woman—I took the beerhouse on my unaided judgment—my wife was against my going there—I have returned a statement of account to the prisoner—he has not sent me beer to the amount of 60l., but only 13l.11s. 6d.; there were twenty one gallons of ale there when I went, but it was so bad that people would not drink it—I did not try it before I took the house—I contracted to buy the beer from him. and I did so up to a certain date—he did not send me in an account—he was to allow me 13s. a barrel—this is the book I kept—the first date is 26th February—he did not send me two barrels and a half a week for nine weeks—I have accounted to him for the whole of the money I spent, including wages and expenses—I was his servant—I asked him permission to see to the drains, and he said he was going to do it—I have nine children—the soil flooded the yard—the account for the drains is entered in the book, 1l. 15s.—that would go into the decoration of the house if he had done it—I took him to be a gentleman—I did not decorate the house—I did what I considered essential to health—you will see he is only charged 2s. a week—the first week I was there I took 1l. 7s. 4d.—I do not sell a barrel a week—I have no hours at my place in the City; I go when I am sent for, about eight or twelve times a quarter—I sent my statement to the Treasury after I saw the case in the Weekly Dispatch—I tried to get legal aid, but could not get it—I would have liked to have bothered Johnson if I could have got at him—I went to his beerhouses, but they would not tell me where he was—Mr. Shines did not tell me that Worthington and Co. had to pay him 850l. under an arbitration—I believe Johnson is known all over Peckham—I found his character was respectable and honest till I was taken in—I did not go to Gordon and Co.—I went to Whitbread's and inquired, and Johnson said it was a nice thing to do, and so I let it stand in abeyance, and that threw me back in my inquiries for some time.

Re-examined. The house was in a bad state of repair and very dirty when I went in—the prisoner said he would thoroughly repair and clean the place—he did not do that—I applied to him to do it and to do the drains—he put me off—he owes me altogether 78l.—my only reason for taking proceedings was because I could not find him.

By MR. FILLAN. The fixtures were not valued at 36l.—I cannot value them—I have not paid for them—I have got them still—there is a beer engine—I do not know its value—I thought the fixtures were the landlord's—I entered the house as a servant.

By MR. MEAD. I do not claim the beer-engine nor fixtures.

JOHN RAE . I am a clerk to Mr. E.W. Parks, Mansion House Chambers, solicitor—he is the landlord of 2, Park Terrace, Tottenham—this is his signature to this lease for 28 years from 29th September, 1879, of the premises in question to Sydney Johnson—it is dated 7th October—the rent reserved was 40l. per annum.—no rent has been paid to Mr. Parks—I produce writ of ejectment of 25th November in an action by Mr. Parks—I also produce the judgment giving possession to Mr. Parks—possession was taken under that writ, and Wood was turned out—he was reinstated as Mr. Parka's tenant a few days after the judgment—I should say it was 17th December that I recovered possession from the Sheriff, and handed it over to Wood—Mr. Parks would claim the fixtures.

Cross-examined. The house was built about six or seven years ago—I have no entry in my books of rent being paid—we have two of Johnson's actions pending—I have not produced the proceedings, and had no notice—I believe the actions have now dropped—I did not know they were against Worthington and Co. for 1,000l. and 1,300l.—the rent being in arrear 21 days, on our bringing an action of ejectment the lease is forfeited.

ARNOLD AUSTEN . I am clerk to Messrs. Linklater, of Walbrook, solicitors to the trustee in Worthington and Co's. liquidation—Worthington's were brewers—amongst other documents I received this agreement between Johnson and Worthington and Co., of 25th November, 1877 (A lease of 2, Park; Terrace assigned to Worthington and Co. in consideration of 150l., subject to a penalty of 51. on Johnson's procuring beer elsewhere)—I also received this agreement of 1st October (between Arthur Fell Worthington, William Charles Marshall, and Sydney Johnson, to assign Johnson's interest in five premises, scheduled to Worthington's for 872l. 11s. 3d.)—the debt has not been recovered—no award has been made by any arbitrator under the agreement.

Cross-examined. The schedule includes the house Mr. Wood had—there is a provision for an arbitrator—I am not aware that an arbitrator has been appointed, and has valued the house at 135l. odd—I believe two arbitrators were appointed, but they disagreed—I do not know the value of the premises assigned to Worthington's.

WILLIAM LAMB SHINE . I was manager to Messrs. Worthington—the prisoner was their general agent—850l. was secured from the prisoner to Worthington's by the agreement of October, 1880—I promised him compensation, which he never got—about 100l. should come off—then Johnson supplied fixtures to different houses—I left Worthington's before their liquidation.

Cross-examined. The prisoner expended 350l. in fittings against the debt of 1,142l. upon the different houses—we sold bad beer, ruined our business, and went into bankruptcy—the five houses were valued by the prisoner's valuer at 1,350l.—the arbitrators had to decide the account between Worthington and Johnson—I heard at Lambeth Police-court that one of the five houses had sold for 750l.

Re-examined. Worthington's valuer valued the five houses at 750l.

EDWARD POWELL . I am an engineer, of 1, Larcher Terrace, Victoria Docks—before June, 1881, I had saved some money, and had 100l. to invest—about that time J saw an advertisement in Lloyd's Newspaper for a manager of an off licensed house—I went to the address indicated, and saw the prisoner—I said I had come about the advertisement—he said he had three or four houses, and he took me and showed me one at 33, Winster Terrace, Maxted Road, Feckham—it was then occupied—I saw the bar and the adjoining room—the name up was "Sydney Johnson, licensed to sell beer, not to be drunk on the premises"—there was not much fitting a deal counter and a rail for the casks, no beer-engine—I said, "Who does the house belong to? who is the landlord?"—he said, "It is my own, and if 1 was going to sell it I should want 500l. for it," and "I have three or four more you can see, and have the choice of which you like "—he pointed to a plot of ground at the corner of the street and said, "That is mine, on which I intend to build a tavern; when I have done that I shall shut this up, take the licence from it, and put it to the new"—I made an arrangement and met him again two or three days after at Cyprus Terrace—I paid him 5l. deposit; this is his receipt—when I next met him I paid him 45l.—this is his receipt of June 18,1881—I paid him the remaining 50l. when I took possession on 22nd June—some beer was in the house—I made him two payments for beer as he got it in, the full retail prices; first 17l. for what was called beer, but afterwards turned out a good deal of it waste—application had then been made for rent; I told him so—he said he did not know what he had to pay it with, and he paid it out of the 17l.—the rent demanded was 8l. 6s. 8d. for two months—he said they were going to put the brokers in—the next occasion I paid him 14l., and 4l. was due to me for wages, but I allowed that to go on towards paying, making it 18l.—I discovered it was a monthly tenancy when the demand for rent came—I afterwards paid 3l. 1s. 4d. a month—on 13th July I sent the prisoner through my solicitor notice to leave his service—on August 16th he came and handed me this notice (To quit that day month, and promising to settle according to agreement, holding the witness responsible for any damage or for letters returned through the Dead Letter Office)—I did not know where he could be found, and after keeping the letters a time I handed them to the lettercarrier—once after the payment of the 18l. he came and said, "Well, Powell, what cash have you for me?"—I said, "None, Mr. Johnson "—he said, "How is that?"—I said,"I am advised not to pay you any more"—I owed him more than 20l. for beer, I cannot say how much; here is the book—he paid me four weeks' wages—I had been in his service four weeks. up to the notice—he has not repaid me any part of the 100l.—I did not know where he lived—I have since paid the rent.

Cross-examined. I could not say I was in his service after my refusal to pay him—the landlord's agent came for the rent—Johnson's son lived nearly opposite me—I had no occasion to go to him, and I was expecting Johnson to come and settle with me—I sold the goodwill of the house for 30l., not 75l., to the brewer that supplied me, because I owed him some money.

Re-examined. I was in the house from June till March—I was the landlord's tenant from November—I had not seen the prisoner since August—the licence was transferred on 14th December to the brewers—the takings were about 15l.a week in the summer, and in the winter season very bad. A——J——MORRIS, I am agent for Mr. Bailey, of 13, Winster

Terrace, the landlord of this beerhouse—I let it on Mr. Bailey's behalf to Mr. Powell—Worthington's the brewers were my previous tenants—I let it for 12 months, and then from month to month—Johnson paid the rent till Powell came after the tenancy was monthly—the receipts were made out to Worthington's—Johnson said the licence was granted in his name, and he should like the receipts in his name—I said, "I cannot give you a receipt in your own name as we consider Worthington's are tenants"—the rent was payable on the first Monday in each month—I accepted Mr. Powell as tenant when Worthington's were served with notice to quit.

Cross-examined. The prisoner was never my tenant—Worthington's had no power to underlet—I could not swear there was a written agreement because I did not let it—I have searched for a counterpart and have not found it.

HENRY EVANS . I am a licensed victualler, but live privately—in August, 1881, I saw this advertisement in Lloyd's Newspaper (For a manager for on off beerhouse, deposit 50l.)—I went to the address stated—I saw the prisoner in the Aldcrshot Road—I said, "I am come respecting the offlicence that was advertised in Lloyd's "—he said the house was at 99, High Street, Sydenham—I had a conversation with him about it, and told him I would go and see it—I saw and approved of it—I saw the prisoner several days after; I told him I should take the house, but should not be able to pay 50l., I should not be able to find more than 40l.—he said be had been losing a lot of money by the house, and he must have some one. in it to open it on the Saturday following, the 15th August—the house was closed at the time—I agreed to pay him 40l.—I asked him if the house was all right—he told me "Yes," and I could open and sell the next morning if I liked—I paid him 5l. deposit—I went into possession on 15th August—the agreement and receipt for 40l. which I paid him is dated 15th August—he said he would send beer in so that it could open on the Saturday—I did not open on the Saturday—no beer was sent in the whole time I was there till I was ejected—no water was on, that was supplied three weeks after—the excise officer called in September and made a statement, that was Mr. Bailey—I never sold because there was no beer and no licence—possession was taken of the premises by the Sheriff the latter end of September, and I had to go out—I was readmitted as care-taker by the landlord's agent—I applied for my money back, both by letter and verbally—he said he had given me a month's notice according to the agreement, and when it was up he would pay me—he never served mo with a month's notice, I served one on him—I did not get my money back—I received this letter from him (September 15l A, 1881, stating that he [Johnson] was going to see about the licence)—I applied for a licence and obtained it on 10th January—the prisoner appeared and told the Magistrate he had been robbed out of his property—he paid me back 5l., and then 15l. the end of 1881—1 brought an action in the High Court against him—the 5l. I received was "for wages due "—he requested me to add those words—my solicitor received 35s

Cross-examined. I swore in my affidavit in the action brought by my solicitor that the defendant was indebted to me 25l., the balance of 45l., deposited with me—I did not take out a commitment summons—he did not pay me 1l., the first and 1l. the second mouth—a judgment summons was taken out, and he appeared to it in March—I sold the house to Mr. Williamson, for 60l.—I had to pay that away—I got nothing to go out-;

the tenant got from Mr. Morgan 60l.—Mr. Morgan's tenant became tenant after getting a licence—I got notice to leave from Mr. Morgan, of Forest Hill—I was merely tenant for Mr. Morgan; that was this year.

ALBERT YOUNG .I am clerk to Messrs. Drake and Co., solicitors, of Rood Lane, City, solicitors to Mr. Hughes, the owner of these premises, 99, High Street, Sydenham—I produce counterpart of lease signed by the prisoner, of 25th November, 1879, for 21 years from Mr. Hughes, or at the option of the tenant seven or 14 years, at 45l. a year net premium—I had to issue a writ of ejectment for non-payment of rent—I signed judgment, put in an execution, and took possession—I gave possession to Mr. May, and May let Evans stop in—he was Mr. Hughes's auctioneer and house agent—the rent claimed was 11l. 5s. due 24th June, 1881.

Cross-examined. I cannot tell what the lease would be worth; no premium has been paid for it.

CHARLES BRAYLEY . I am an excise officer for the Forest Hill district, in Kent—99, High Street, Sydenham, is in the district—the licence expired in July, 1881—I called upon Evans in consequence of the premises not being licensed—they were licensed again in January, 1882—the entry is on the 12th; the licence was taken up a few days before that—the duties due in July would be about 5l. 5s., 3l.6s. for the wholesale,1l. 5s. for the retail, and then there would be the tobacco—those duties must be paid before beer is sold.

WILLIAM LIMB SHINE (Re-examined).I witnessed this agreement of January 30th, 1880.(The assignment of the prisoner's interest to Wor thington's for 151)

HENRY EVANS (Re-examined).I was sent for to the Treasury; I had not been to the police-court before that.

JOSEPH EVERETT . I live at 228, Crystal Palace Road, East Dulwich, formerly known as 30, Rossmore Road—I was a foreman platelayer, and had saved 100l., which I was anxious to invest—I saw an advertisement in Lloyds Newspaper. (To the effect that a man and wife were required to manage an off licence, and that application was to be made to 1, Neville Road, South Hackney.) I wrote an answer to that, and received this reply. (This was dated Lordship Terrace, Lordship Lane, 4th May, 1882, and signed by the prisoner, stating he required a manager for an off licence at Lordship Lane; that the witness had said nothing as to cash security, and that he had teveral houses.) I wrote to the address to the effect that I could find cash security, and received this letter from the prisoner, dated 6th May.(Asking him to call en the prisoner, and saying that he had several public-houses.) I called that evening, but did not see him—I saw him on the 18th—I called at Lordship Terrace, but was directed to 208, Crystal Palace Road, where I am now living—I said to him "I have come in answer to the advertisement I saw in the paper as to a manager"—he said "Yes, this is the house "—we went in and looked over the house—I noticed alterations being carried out; a counter was being fitted up and a wooden shed built outside in the back yard—I did not see a beerengine at that time or any excavation for a cellar—he said he proposed opening the house as an off-licence beerhouse—I said "I should like that house "—he said he thought of coming in that one himself, but he finally said I might have it—I said "Do you owe any money on the house?"—be said "No, not a farthing"—I said "Have you a licence for selling beer at 208, Crystal Palace Road?"—he said "Yes, already

filled up; it only wants your name put on it"—he did not say where the licence was then, but on the 11th, before I paid any money to him, he said he had it in his own possession—I called at 9, Lordship Terrace, and looked at it, and ultimately decided I would take this one in the Crystal Palace Road—I took my wife to see it on the 11th—in her presence he said he had the licence in his own possession, and it was already filled up, and only wanted my name put on it if I had the cash security—he said that two or three times—I said "On the faith of that I will pay 50l. as a deposit"—he agreed to accept that—after we got into the house he said if I had that house he should require me to pay 100l.—I then paid 50l. on account, and he gave me this receipt:"9, Lordship Terrace, May 11, 1882. Received of Mr. Everett the sum of 50l. in part payment of 100l. security on taking the ale and wine stores, 208, Crystal Palace Road. The balance to be paid on such date as arranged in Mr. Johnson's agreement. "On 17th May I took possession, and I then paid the remaining 50l.—this is the agreement—I was to be manager at 1l. a week; I was allowed to sell mineral waters and any extras I liked, and to have the profit on that, and I was to occupy the house and pay no rent; he would pay the rent, rates, and taxes—I was to do nothing to jeopardise the licence—I was not to take lodgers without his sanction—the alterations were not completed when I went in—a cellar was being excavated for the beer; they did not carry it further after I went in, and it is not finished now—beer was sent in by the prisoner on the Thursday, the day after I took possession—there were no stores for a grocer's business, or anything of that sort—on 27th May I opened the premises for the sale of beer—a beer engine had been fitted like an ordinary beerhouse—I asked him for a licence before I opened—he told me several times I need not fear; it was all right with the police, and no one would interfere with me—on 30th May George John Sayers, agent to Mr. Baxter, the brewer, called on me and made a communication, and on 7th June I saw the prisoner and spoke to him in reference to Mr. Sayers's visit—I said that I had been told that Mr. Baxter held the licence for the security of the stock and fixtures, and I asked him for the licence—he said he would go and get it at once—I did not go with him to Mr. Baxter's; he made all sorts of excuses, and said "I have somewhere else to go"—I went alone to Mr. Baxter's at the stores—I was told something there, and while there the prisoner came—I said "I have been given to understand that the licence is at 12, Furnival's Inn, at the solicitor's there"—I went to the solicitor's with Johnson for the purpose of getting the licence—the solicitor would not give it up, as he said it was there as security for money owed by Johnson—on 21st June I saw Johnson and told him that a gentleman had been for the purpose of serving him with a writ to restrain me from selling beer, wine, or spirits either on or off the premises—Johnson said "That is nothing to you; you are my servant; I will fight the battle with him"—I said "I will close the shop"—he said "No"—on the next day he called on me and suggested that I should keep out of the way and not receive this writ—the next day I was served with the writ.(This was a writ of summons from the British Empire Mutual Insurance Company, Limited, against Thomas Twiddy, Sydney Johnson, and Joseph Everett, dated 20th June, to restrain the defendants from carrying on or permitting to be carried on at 228, Lordship Terrace the sale of beer, wines, or spirits without the consent of the plaintiff in writing, and from making any cellar or alteration on the pre

mises.) I showed that to my solicitor, and, acting on his advice, closed the shop—some beer had been sent in, and I had been selling it—afterwards judgment was served on me to restrain me from selling—Johnson had sent in 29l. worth of beer—I had sold and delivered altogether, draught and bottled, about 12l.2s. worth, and altogether I had taken in the shop 13l. 3s. 4d.—I did not pay any money to Johnson for that beer—I did not receive any money for salary—after the injunction was served I asked Johnson for my money back several times—he said he had not the money to pay me with while he was at law—I last saw him before he was charged at Lambeth Police-court on 10th July in Lordship Lane, close to his house—I asked him then for my money—I have never been paid one farthing of my 100l.—I went with Mr. Bennett and Mr. Hatton and made a complaint to Mr. Ellison, the Magistrate, at the police-court, and after that communicated with the Solicitor to the Treasury, and under their direction laid an information, on which the warrant was issued.

Cross-examined. I first looked over 9, Lordship Lane, I never intended to take it, and then over 228, Crystal Palace Road—he wanted 75l. for the Lordship Lane one and 100l. for the Crystal Palace Road—I chose the latter after looking over both—there was a shed erected in the back yard, and a cellar was being excavated and a beer engine, counter, and fittings being erected when I looked in on the 17th—I signed the agreement and went in—I knew I was only allowed to sell beer off the premises—I have heard that the British Empire Company had given a lease of the house seven years before to Mr. Bendall, but not to sell beer—I only sold beer to be drunk on the premises to Mr. Johnson and his sons; they led me to do it—two clerks from the British Empire Company were not served with two glasses of ale; I will swear it—Mr. Johnson was served with the injunction—I know the British Empire Company allowed beer to be served off but not on the premises—I cannot say if the British Empire Company allowed Bendall to serve beer off the premises for seven years, but forbade Bendall or Twiddy serving it on the premises—I was not allowed to sell it on the premises—I did it to Mr. Johnson and his son; he said he had no doubt some of his pals would call on the Sunday morning for wets—1 did not agree to that—I think the British Empire Company served me with the injunction because they would not allow beer to be sold there—I know nothing about Bendall—I have sold nothing in the house since I shut it up; I am living there—the beer engine and counter are there, and what is left of the beer—Johnson did not send in more than 50l. worth of beer—when I said at the police-court I did not know the value of the stock on the premises I had not been over it then—I have used some myself since—my pals did not come for a wet—I am a stranger in the place—it is only the injunction prevents me selling—when I asked Johnson to pay me all he said was he was at law—he did not tell me he was at law with Messrs. Worthington with regard to a claim he had given them—he was too artful to tell me anything but that—it would not pay me to sell groceries or mineral waters there, nor to open it as a general shop—the prisoner did not tell me he would sell off the beer and fittings and pay me out of that; he told me to go to the brewers' agent and see what they would allow me; he did not mention the fittings—he sent word on 7th August by Almond to know what I wanted of him I never went to the British Empire Company to ask for

their consent to carry on any business—I would not consent to the brewers taking the beer, and I would not wait till he had finished with Worth-ington's—he did not say I was to have the value of the beer, and he did not ask me to wait—he told me he was at law and would pay me—he can have the beer when my money is forthcoming—I should never have got my money if I had gone to a civil court; I am thinking of the public—100l. would not repay me now—I have paid 25l. for the action—I knew the licence was ready at the solicitors, only wanting my name—the bar and fixtures are mortgaged.

Re-examined. I have no more money to buy grocery stock—Mr. Twiddy allows me to stop in the house—I know that the defendant is a bankrupt; he served me with a notice—I have here all the bills referring to beer which has been supplied to me, and they come to 29l., including everything—if he paid me my 100l. and my expenses I should be willing to give the beer up—the action with the British Empire Company cost me 25l., and will cost me 5l. more, besides all the loss of time—the shop is now fitted as a beershop—I have no interest in the fixtures, and could make no claim on them; they belong to the landlord—my wife is here.

ARTHUR EDWARD TWIDDY . I live at 211, High Street, Borough, and am a wholesale provision merchant—John Waite Bendall was formerly a customer of mine—on 10th June, 1881, I was managing the business; he owed my father money, and in liquidation assigned him the lease of the house in question in Crystal Palace Road, formerly called the' Boss-more Road—the assignment is endorsed on an agreement for a lease between the British Empire Company and John Waite Bendall for 99 years, I think, from year to year for 15 years, and then at the expiration of that time the tenant may nave the option of a lease for 84 years. (One of the clauses of the agreement was read, stating that Bendall teas not to carry on any trade, business, or manufacture without the consent of the company in writing.) Mr. Bendall carried on the business of a grocer and cheesemonger on those premises, and used to sell bottled beer to be consumed off the premises—I had supplied him with the groceries—he left the premises; I cannot say when—I endeavoured to let the premises before he went—I advertised them for sale, and spoke to Johnson about them—Johnson called on me about the end of March last year, and said he had called about the shop in the Crystal Palace Road—he said he wanted to make it a central depot for bottling beer, as he had a number of off-licence houses, and would supply them from there—I told him he could not open it as a beershop, as we could have let it to Mr. Miller only the British Empire would not strike the clause out of the original lease—I said he could carry on a bottled-beer trade there the same as Bendall, and in con-junction with a grocer's business—he did not say he wanted it for a beershop—nothing was said with regard to draught beer—I showed him the agreement with the superior landlord—he read it, and said it was quite satisfactory—he read it right through—I don't know that I pointed out that particular clause—I did not give my consent to a beerengine being put on the premises; I did not know there was one, nor that a cellar was being excavated—we made all the necessary repairs that Johnson required before he went in. (The agreement between Twiddy and Johnson, was dated April 8, 1882, set forth a yearly tenancy at a rent of 40l. a year, and contained a clause that the tenant should be allowed to carry on a grocer's trade with the sale of trims and beer under an existing licence after application

to the Justices) Johnson said to me "It is the last day for renewing the licence, and it the licence is lost the property will drop 100l.," and we gave him the money to go and take the licence out—Mr. Bendull had the licence—I was served with a copy of a writ restraining me from the sale—the first quarter's rent was paid in advance—when the next quarter became due, in September, we put in an execution—the agreement does not say the rent is to be paid in advance, but he did so—we took possession of the premises, but allow Mr. Everett to remain there—I believe we distrained for the rent; we regard the fixtures as ours.

Cross-examined. The rent was paid by Johnson up to 21st June, and no rent was due till 29th September—he would have 21 days after the 29th to pay it—I do not know he was arrested on the 29th—I do not think he has lost the 21 years' lease by it; it was from year to year—I do not think the 21 years is at his option; he was going to buy the place of us—I negotiated for it to be a shop where they sold beer off and on; that the British Empire Company would not agree to—they allowed beer and wines to be sold off on sufferance, as Bendall did; there was no agreement—I made an agreement with the tenant that he should sell wines and spirits off, but he knew all about it—the British Empire would not have put in an injunction if he had done it as it was before—he never said he was going to sell beer; he said he was going to make it a depot—I contend lie could not put up the beer-engine and sell wines and spirits by this agreement or make it a beerhouse.

Re-examined. The British Empire Company had not given me permission to put up a beer-engine or excavate—we have nearly lost our interest in it—they did not consent to draught beer being sold there—I did not explain to Johnson the difference between the two terms; I told him what Bendall sold—it was explained to Johnson he could carry on a grocer's business with the sale of bottled beer.

GEORGE JOHN SAYER . I am manager to Mr. Baxter, the brewer—about February, 1882: the prisoner dealt with us for beer, and we supplied it to several houses for him—in April he owed us 120l.—we advanced him 150l., giving him a cheque for 100l. and setting off 50l. against what he owed—in consequence of the indebtedness he entered into this agreement with us. (This stated that Sydney Johnson deposited with Richard Baxter the deed mentioned in the schedule relating to the house as security for the 150l. advanced, promised to deal with Baxter for all beer, paying for the name periodically, and undertook to mortgage the house to him for any sums further due, such mortgage to contain a power of sale.) I advanced him more money and supplied him with more beer—he owes me 270l. now—this agreement of 8th April, 1882, is for letting 228, Crystal Palace Road—there are two licences for that and three for 2, Wakely Road, East Dulwich—those licences were in Mr. Bendall's name; they have never been transferred; I still hold them as collateral security.

Cross-examined. I have not got other licences in blank of these premises—here could not be two licences of one premises—this licence is in force till 5th April, 1883—it is endorsed by Bendall—it cannot be used by anybody else till it has been transferred by the Magistrate—it would be available for Mr. Everett after it had been transferred to him—the signature of J. W. Bendall on the licence means that he has no interest in it after that—it does not show to whom he assigns it—when Johnson

deposited the agreement with us he left the licence also—the licence is only a collateral security, the real thing is the agreement—only we should see that the licence was transferred to a respectable man—we wanted Everett to have it—brewers often take a regular mortgage for debt—there was nothing irregular or wrong in his depositing this with you, it was an ordinary thing; we should want some security when we advanced the money—if we had not we should not have given the beer—he never executed a mortgage.

Re-examined. When I called on Everett after he opened I learnt he had advanced 100l. to Johnson—I spoke to Johnson about the transfer of the licence to Everett—I said he must have the licence transferred to some one, and "as Everett has told me he advanced 100l. I have made inquiries; he is a respectable man, and the proper man to have it trans-ferred to "—Johnson said "I do not think he is fit for it, I shall go there myself; I shall have it in my own name"—he made an application to me for it—I said if he brought Everett up I would transfer it to Everett, but it was not to go out of our possession till it was transferred to Everett.

CHARLESYINEY (Detective Sergeant). On 30th September I received a warrant for the prisoner's apprehension, and apprehended him on that day in Leadenhall Street—I read it to him and charged him with obtain-ing from Everett 100l., and 40l. from Evans—he said "I did not think they could do that"—I said "They have done it"—he said "Everett has more than enough in the house to pay him, and Evans has had 151. out of the house and another 5l. "—he said afterwards "Everybody would have had their money, but Worthington's people owe me 2,000l.; they would all have been paid "—I searched him at the station and found 251. in gold, 5a. in silver, and a watch and chain.

A. J. MORRIS (Re-examined). No. 13, Winchester Terrace, belonged to Mr. Bailey, and the plot at the other corner belonged to him too—Mr. Johnson has no interest in that—there is a footpath across the plot.

Cross-examined. I am Mr. Bailey's agent—'Mr. Bailey told me he had assigned the plot to Worthington's—I can swear he had told Worthing-ton the plot cannot be dealt with, I heard it repeatedly—I can't remember when, some time ago—since then I cannot tell what representations he has made.

The prisoner received a good character.

GUILTY ,— Ten Months' Hard labour.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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94. CHARLES WALSH (49) PLEADED GUILTY to uttering counterfeit coin, and having others in his possession; and, together with WILLIAM MARSHALL [Pleaded guilty: see original trial image] , uttering counterfeit coin, after previous convictions of felony. WALSH.— Six Years' Penal Servitude. MARSHALL.— Two Years' Hard Labour.

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95. JAMES WALSH (23) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin. MESSRS. POLAND and CHARLES MATHEWS Prosecuted.

ANNIE HOLLAND . I am a barmaid at the Sun in Union Street, kept by Mr. Butcher—about half-past 3 o'clock on 14th October the prisoner came in and asked for half a pint of ale, that would be 1 1/2 d.—he tendered in payment half a crown—I gave him 2 sis. 4 1/2d. change, and handed the

half-crown to Mr. Butcher—my master went out and returned, and the prisoner was still there—when I left the bar at about 4 o'clock the prisoner was still there.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not know at the time you were standing at the bar that it was a bad half-crown.

AUGUSTUS ADOLPHUS BUTCHER . I keep the Sun public-house—on 14th October, about 3 o'clock, the last witness gave me a half-crown—I put it in my pocket, where there was no other half-crown, but only a shilling, two sixpences, a penny, and two fourpennies—I went out to order some cans, and on my way was stopped by some customers—I took them into the Fountain and Grapes to give them some beer, and I took out the half-crown, and the manager, Mr. Norman, threw it down and broke it—I went on and ordered my cans, and then went back—the prisoner was not there then, he came back subsequently and asked me to have a glass of wine with him—I did, and then my barmaid came in and made a communication to me—I said nothing to him—I afterwards went out with Clarke after him, and found him in custody at the station.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. The barmaid was not there when I had a glass of wine with you—my wife was there.

Re-examined. I gave the half-crown returned to me by Norman at the Fountain and Grapes to the constable at the station, where it was broken.

HENRY NORMAN . I manage the Fountain and Grapes—on Saturday, 14th October, Mr. Butcher brought me this half-crown, which I tested and handed back to Mr. Butcher.

LOUISA WALL . I am barmaid at the Brown Bear, Southwark Bridge Road—on 14th October, about 4.30p.m., the prisoner came in and asked for a small lemonade, which came to 2d.—I served him—he gave me this coin, and I gave him change—I gave the coin to my sister—the prisoner left then, but returned subsequently between 6 and 7 o'clock, and whilst standing in the bar the constable came and arrested him.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not hear what the barman said to you when the policeman was there, but I know you are the man who changed the first half-crown.

MARY ANN WALL . This half-crown was given me by my sister—I saw it was a bad one—I put it in my pocket, and afterwards handed it to a police constable.

WILLIAM CLARKE . I am barman at the Henry VIII. in Union street—on 14th October the prisoner came in between 5 and 6 o'clock and called for half a pint of stout-and-mild, the price of which would be 1 1/2 d.—he tendered in payment this half-crown (produced)—I gave him 2s. 4 1/2 d. change—I kept the half-crown in my hand and went to the proprietor—the coin was bad, and I went after the prisoner—on my way I met Policeman N 234, to whom I spoke and gave the half-crown—we went together in search of the prisoner, and found him at the Brown Bear—I showed the prisoner the half-crown, and told the constable he was the man—the prisoner did not say anything—I took him back to the Henry VIII.—he afterwards gave me back the change I had given him—1 gave the half-crown to the constable.

Cross-examined. I do not know you as working for Mr. Newton—his men use my house—I have seen you in the house. JOHN ARTHUR MARKHAM (Policeman JV 243). On 14th October I met

the last witness, and he gave me tins counterfeit half-crown—I wont to the Brown Bear and found the prisoner—I took him back to the Henry VIII., and the barman there said "That was a bad half-crown you gave me "—the prisoner paid "I did not know it was bad, but I am willing to give you half a crown in good money if you take no notice," and he gave him half a crown—I asked him first of all if he had any more bad money—I felt about him, but could find no more—the barman would not charge him, but I took him to the station and there searched him again—I found 3. in good silver and sevenpence in bronze—I noticed him throw something into his mouth—I caught hold of his throat and choked him for a moment, and he spat it out—I picked it up—it was this bad half-crown—I had kept the half-crown handed to me by Clarke in my hand—I made inquiries, and among other places went to the Brown Bear, and received there this bad half-crown from Louisa Wall.

Cross-examined. You did not put the half-crown in your teeth to try it at the station—I choked you for nearly two minutes before you would let it go out of your throat.

Re-examined. I went to the address the prisoner gave me at 5, St. Margaret's Court.

EDWARD HAYES . I am a waterman at the Metropolitan Tavern, South-wark Street—I saw the prisoner with the constable—I did not see the constable leave the prisoner—I was drawing water at the time.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner, I saw you standing close by the constable.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . I am assistant examiner of coins at the Queen's Mint—these four coins are all bad, and from two different moulds—the one found on the prisoner is from the same mould as one of the others.

Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I had three half-crowns. I won them and a shilling at tossing. I did not know that they were bad. I changed one at the Sun. I never put my hand to my mouth, and I had every opportunity of throwing it away had I known it was bad. "

The prisoner, in his defence, repeated the statement.

GUILTY .

He then PLEADED GUILTY* to a conviction of felony in 1875 in the name of James Welsh .— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

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96. GEORGE ALEXANDER (32) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. POLAND and CHARLES MATHEWS Prosecuted.

FLORENCE HOWE . I am assistant to Mr. John Howe, at Cleveland Road, North Cross Road, Dulwich—on 15th November the prisoner came, at 7.20. p.m., and asked for a bottle of Bass, which came to. 6d.—he tendered a florin in payment, and I gave him 1s.6d. change and put the florin in the till—the prisoner left—soon after a woman came in, and while she was there a man came in and asked for a bottle of stout, which came to 6d.—he gave me a two-shilling piece, and I gave him 1s. 6d. change, and placed it in the same till—I took both the florins to my father, and they were both bad—I went out and saw a constable, and gave him the bad coins and a description of the man who had tendered them—the same night I went to the police-station and saw the prisoner there—I charged him; he did not hear what I said.

JOHN BARRELL (Policeman P 32). On 7th November, about a quarter

to 8, Miss Howe came and made a communication to me, and gave me a description—later in the evening, at half-past 8, I saw the prisoner in the Crystal Palace Road, about 10 minutes' walk from Mr. Howe's shop—he was in company with two other men—they all went to the Crystal Palace Tavern—I watched them come out and go down the Crystal Palace Road—one of the men gave the prisoner something, and he crossed over the road and went inside a shop—I slipped along to the end of the window, and looked inside, and saw the prisoner give the shopkeeper, Elizabeth Tuck, a two-shilling piece—Mrs. Tuck is a cripple, and unable to come here—she gave the prisoner the change, and he left—I went into the shop at once, spoke to Mrs. Tuck, and took a bad two-shilling piece from her hand in which she had taken it from the prisoner—I came out, and saw the prisoner cross the road—the other men were 15 or 20 yards in front—I went up to him, and said "Do you know you gave that woman a two-shilling piece?"—he said "What do you mean? I gave that woman a shilling—I saw at the time he tendered it that it was a florin—I took him into custody—the other two men slipped away—he was charged at the station, and made no answer to the charge—I searched him, and found half a crown, four shillings, a sixpence, and threepence in bronze, good money, and a pawn ticket—no bad money was found upon him—Mrs. Tuck's is a china and general shop—the prisoner bought a cup and saucer there—he threw it down and broke it in the North Cross Road—this is the coin; I bent it with my teeth—when I was looking through the window I was about six yards from the prisoner—I brushed by him as he was coming out.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . These three florins are all bad, and from different moulds.

GUILTY .— Nine Months' hard Labour.

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97. RICHARD RICHARDSON (51) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. POLAND and CHARLES MATHEWS Prosecuted.

WILLIAM STEVENS . I keep the Alliance public-house, at Peckham—on the afternoon of 22nd November the prisoner came in and called for half a pint of stout and mild—he put down a shilling—I tried it, and found it was bad—I said to the prisoner "This won't do, this is bad. You must give me my change back "—he said" I will pay you in half pence; it is very unfortunate. I had taken a two-shilling piece a fortnight ago that was bad "—I said "Give me my change back; you must take this to where you got it"—he gave me sixpence and fourpence-halfpenny, which I had given him in change, and 1 1/2 d. for the stout and., mild—there was a lot more money in his hand—I do not generally give counterfeit coin back—when I had given it back he wrapped it up in a piece of paper, and put it in his pocket—my son had observed him, and followed him.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I only tried the shilling with my teeth—I recognise it.

JOHN STEVENS . I am the son of the last witness—I was present when the prisoner was there—I saw the shilling tendered in the way my father has said, and I saw it wrapped up and the prisoner leave the house—I followed him to the Montpelier, in the Queen's Road, Peckham, half a mile off; he went very slowly; he had something in his hand which he was rubbing, and he rubbed it against corners—I could not see what it was—when I got to the Montpelier, after him, I saw the barmaid, Miss

Bardrick, trying the shilling between her teeth, and I said "You had better detain this man, as he tried to pass one at our place"—the prisoner said "I did not know it was bad, I thought it was a good one," and he said he thought my father had made a mistake and that it was a good one—Miss Bardrick kept the shilling—the prisoner had called for half a pint of stout and mild—he afterwards gave sixpence in payment, and she gave him 4 1/2 d. in change—he went out, I followed him, saw a sergeant of police, and spoke to him, and the prisoner was given in charge.

ROSINA BARDRICK . I am barmaid at the Montpelier Tavern, Queen's Road, Peckham—on the evening of 2nd November the prisoner came in and tendered a shilling in payment for some stout and mild—I was trying it in my teeth when young Mr. Stevens came in—he said "You had better detain the man, as he tried the same game at my father's house"—the prisoner then gave me sixpence, and 1 have him 4 1/2 d. in change—I kept the shilling and afterwards handed it to the constable.

THOMAS DURHAM (Sergeant P 5). On the afternoon of 2nd Nov. the younger Stevens spoke to me and pointed out the prisoner—I went to the Montpelier, where I received this shilling—I took the prisoner and said "I shall take you into custody for uttering a counterfeit coin at the Alliance public-house and also at the Montpelier public-house, Queen's Road, Peckham"—he said "I know nothing of it"—I took him to the station, searched him, and found on him a pocket-book containing 257 penny stamps in sheets of 36, 18, 15, 12, 8, 6, 4, 3, and 2; half a sovereign in gold, 18s. in silver, and 6 ¼d. in bonze, all good—when I searched him he said "I do not know where I got it from," pointing to the shilling, "I think it was at Rochester, where I sold some clothes. I tried to pass it the second time because I thought it was good. The stamps I had sent me by friends "—I said" Where do your friends live?"—he said "I don't want them to know anything about it, I shall not tell you"—with regard to his address he said "I don't want my friends to know; I shall refuse to give you my address."

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. The were 257 stamps in the pocket-book.WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER. This shilling is bad.

Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I must have taken the shilling in the country. I must have gone to the second house thinking they were under a mistake about it."

The prisoner, in his defence, stated that after the first uttering he had compared the shilling with other money and thought it was perfectly good, and so took it to the second public-house; and contended that it was not likely a man with 50s. in his pocket would go about with a bad shilling.

NOT GUILTY .

Before Mr. Common Serjeant

Reference Number: t18821120-98

98. EDWARD GILROY (38) , Unlawfully uttering a counterfeit florin to Ann Newman at Dorking.

MR. BAGOALLAY Prosecuted; MR. THORNE COLE Defended. WILLIAM WALTON. I am landlord of the Three Tuns public-house, Dorking—I know the prisoner Gilroy, and I also know Seabrook (See next case—I remember their coming to my house on the evening of 8th September—as far; is I can recollect it was about half-past 9 o'clock, I won't be quite sure as to the time—Gilroy spoke; he said, "I want accommodation

for myself and friend "—I asked him his name—he said," Gilroy; we want accommodation! we want a private room, but one room will do for us both"—I said, "I have only one room left, and you may have that; What are you and what is your name!"—he said, "We are clerks on our holiday down from London"—I said, "What name?"—he said, "Mr. Hollis and friend "—Gilroy then asked whether the town was large—they had something to drink, nut they hardly drank anything—they then went out, and Gilroy came back about 10.30, but I did not see Seabrook again till now—when Gilroy came back he remained till he was taken in custody.

Cross-examined. It was Gilroy who took the bed—I thought at first that we were quite full, but I referred to my book and found that we had one room vacant—he did not say that he would rather pay something more and have a bed to himself—he did not give me eighteenpence—I got paid; Gilroy paid me 2s. in good money—he came back about 9.30, and about 10.30 he went to bed and occupied the bed which he had paid the 2s. for, and he went to that bed alone; no one else was in the same room—it was about 20 minutes after that that the police came, that would be about 20 minutes to 11—Dorking is about 23 miles from London—I can't remember at what time the last train leaves there for London—I have lived there about a year and eight months—there is a police inspector here.

HARRIET BOOKING . I live at Dorking, and am the landlady of the Bell Inn—I remember two men coming there on the night of the 8th September, about 9.30, it might have been a little before, but it was not after 9.30—I identified the prisoner and Seabrook as the men—Seabrook asked for two cups of bitter ale; I served them with one each—Seabrook paid me with a florin, and I gave him 1s. 8d. change—I put the florin into the till; this is it (produced)—I marked it in the presence of the superintendent before I gave it to him—I pat it in the till, and shortly afterwards my attention was called to it by Superintendent Lambert—I then took it out of the till; it was the only one there—since the prisoners bad left I had taken no other florin—it was the only one I had in that till.

Cross-examined. The Bell is a commercial inn, and we have commercial men constantly coming in and out—we do a very fair business—we have two tills; I cannot say how much was in the two, but I had very little silver in that till; we never keep money in it—my husband counted it; there might be a fourpenny or threepenny-piece—I did not count it; I had but a few shillings—my husband is not here—I saw him count it; there was not more than five or six shillings; there was not ten shillings there.

MARY ANN BUTLER . I live at the Bull's Head, Dorking, and am the daughter of the landlady—I was there on the evening of 8th Sept., and remember two men coming in, the prisoner is one of them—it was 10 o'clock, or it might have been a few minutes before, as near as I can judge—I served him with threepenny worth of cold brandy—he tendered a florin in payment, and then went out of the house—I remember Superintendent Lambert coming; that might be 10 minutes afterwards, because it is a very little distance from the police-station—I had sent for him when I discovered the second coin—I took that from the prisoner Sea-brook, who came in immediately after Gilroy had left, and tendered me a florin—I returned it to him, as I found it was bad, and asked him to

give me good money, and he gave me a shilling, which was good—I then discovered in Seabrook's presence that the florin which Gilroy had given me was bad, and thereupon sent for Superintendent Lambert, and handed him the coin which Gilroy had given me, after marking it.

Cross-examined. It is the fact that I discovered that I had a counterfeit coin before the police or anybody came in and spoke to me—it was then a few minutes to 10 o'clock as near as possible, and I sent my pot-man out for a policeman, and told him to follow—he did not come back for some time, half-past 10 or a quarter to 11 o'clock—I did not see Gilroy again till 11 o'clock, when he was brought to our house for me to recognise as he passed the station—Stingimore the police constable brought him to the front door, not into the house—I was asked to go out, and he said "Is this the man?"—Stingimore is a Dorking police-man—my potman is not here.

ANN NEWMAN . I keep the tap at the Bed Lion Hotel, Dorking—on the night of 8th Sept. two men came in late, from a quarter to 20 minutes past 10 o'clock—I identify the prisoner and Seabrook as the men—Gilroy asked for a pint of ale—I served them, and Gilroy gave me a two-shilling piece to pay for it—I gave him 1s. 9d. change, in good money—they were there about six minutes, and left together—Superintendent Lambert came in five or six minutes afterwards, and I showed him the two-shilling piece which Gilroy had given me—I then marked it and laid it on a shelf close by, and next morning I gave it to Superintendent Lambert—I examined the till when Lambert came in, and that was the only two-shilling piece in the till at that time.

Cross-examined. When the two-shilling piece was taken out of the till there were only a few shillings and a few sixpences there, which had been taken that evening—I was at work in the bar all the evening and that was the money taken from the customers.

GEORGE LAMBERT . I am superintendent of the Dorking Police—on the night of September 8th, about 10 o'clock, I received information with regard to some counterfeit coin—I went in search of the prisoners, and found Seabrook in the High Street—I took him to the Bull's Head, and afterwards to the police-station—I searched him at the Bull's Head and found on him this counterfeit florin (produced) and 2l. 18s. in good money—there were two sovereigns, one half-crown, five shillings, twelve six-pences, three threepenny pieces, and 8s. 9d. in copper—I afterwards saw Gilroy at the police-station about 11 o'clock.

Cross-examined. I was present when Gilroy was searched—Stingimore searched him, and he has got the money with the exception of the gold—he can give you exact evidence as to the money found—I only found one counterfeit coin on Seabrook—the last train leaves Dorking for London on the South-Eastern line about half-past 9, and on the London, Brighton, and South Coast about 5 minutes to 10 at night—I know the potman at the Bull's Head—I know that the landlady and the mother sent the potman out on this evening, but do not know at what time—I did not see him come out—I saw the potman in the High Street between 10 o'clock and the time that Gilroy was taken in custody—I did not see him in a public-house treating Gilroy to something to drink—I do not know that the potman was in Gilroy's company at all—I do not know that he gave him something to drink, and that he went from there home to the bed which he had engaged.

JOHN STINGIMORE . I am a police-constable of Dorking—on the night of the 8th of September I was sent to the Three Tuns Inn about 11 o'clock, and saw the prisoner Gilroy there in bed—I said "I want you on a charge of uttering counterfeit coin"—he said "I know nothing about it"—I asked him to get up—he put on his things and went with me to the station—I searched him both there and at the station, and found 3l. 14s. 8d.—there was 1 sovereign, 2 half sovereigns, 2 florins, 13 shillings, 36 sixpences, 1 threepenny piece, and 4s. 5d. in bronze, all good money—the public-houses close at 11 o'clock.

Cross-examined. I took Gilroy to Mrs. Butler at the Bull's Head to be identified—I asked her if she knew him—there are about 9,000 people in Dorking and there is one superintendent and four policemen to look after the 9,000—these depositions were taken at the Dorking Police-court.

WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER . I am one of the inspectors of coin to Her Majesty's Hint—these coins are all bad and from the same mould.

By the JURY. I arrive at that conclusion because these counterfeit pieces are cast in a plaster-of-Paris mould from a good coin, which is termed the pattern piece, and all its imperfections are reproduced in the copies—they are of course all of the same date—I am not bound to point out in open Court where the imperfections are, but I can see them with my naked eye.

Cross-examined. You will find the date on the obverse side.

GUILTY .

Reference Number: t18821120-99

99. EDWARD GILROY (38) was again indicted, with HENRY SEABROOK (23) , for unlawfully uttering a counterfeit florin to Mary Ann Butler, another to Ann Newman, and another to Harriet Booking. MR. BAGGALLAY Prosecuted; MR. THORNS COLE, who defended Gilroy, withdrew from the case in consequence of the former verdict. WILLIAM WALTON . The evidence given by this witness in the last case was read over to. him from the short-hand writer's notes, to which he assented.

Cross-examined by Seabrook. I can swear that you were with your fellow-prisoner.

HARRIET BOOKING . The evidence of this witness was read over to her, to which she assented.

Cross-examined by Seabrook. It was nearly half past nine when you called at our house but not not quite—I did not find that the coin was bad till Superintendent Lambert came in, and asked if I had taken any bad coin—that was at 10 o'clock or shortly after—no one was with you but Gilroy.

MARY ANN BUTLER , The evidence of this witness was read over to her, to which she assented, and added: I gave Gilroy If. 9d. change—when I handed Seabrook the florin I said, "It is bad money, give me a good one "—I didnot notice that he made any reply, but he handed me a good shilling end I gave him tenpence change.

By the COURT. I know the coin was bad because I felt it very greasy in my fingers and I did not put it in the till, till I had said to a person in the bar "This is a bad one, is it not?" and he said "A very bad one" in the prisoner's presence—I did not ring it, but he threw it on the counter himself—it did not sound much because it is a pewter counter.

Cross-examined by Seabrook. When I was asked if I could recognise you I did not Say that I could not swear to you.

ANN NEWMAN . The evidence of this witness was read over to her, to which she assented.

Cross-examined by Seabrook. I did not find out that the coin was bad till I was told so by Superintendent Lambert about 25 minutes or half past ten—you were in company with Gilroy when you called at oar house.

GEORGE LAMBERT . The evidence of this witness was read over, to which is assented.

Cross-examined by Seabrook. When I arrested you, I took you to the landlady where you passed the coin—I asked her if you were one of the men, and she said "Yes."

JOHN STINGIMORE and WILLIAM JOHN WEBSTER repeated their former evidence.

Seabrook's Defence. I arrived at Dorking by myself—I do not know the prisoner charged with me—I know nothing about passing these coins—the last coin found on me was returned by the lady, and I wrapped it up in paper—if I had known it was bad I should hare thrown it away.

GUILTY . GILROY was further charged (on the first Indictment) with a previous conviction at this Court in the name of Thomas Parsons of feloniously uttering counterfeit coin in November, 1875; to this he PLEADED GUILTY. GILROY**.— Six Years' Penal Servitude. SEABROOK.— Fifteen Months Hard Labour.

Reference Number: t18821120-100

100. ANNIE BURNS (40) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. POLAND and MATHEWS Prosecuted. JAKE SUTTON. I am assistant to Mr. Clarke at the refreshment bar, Waterloo Station—on 29th August I served the prisoner with a Bath bun, price twopence—she gave me a half-crown—I put it in the tester, bent it, and gave it back to her, and she gave me a good florin and left—on the next day she came again to another bar where I was serving, and was served with a glass of ale—she tendered this shilling—I put it in the tester, and found it was bad—I gave it to Mr. Hopgood.

MARGARET GREGG . I am a barmaid at Waterloo Station—on 12th September the prisoner came and asked for a glass of milk, which cams to twopence—she paid with a florin, and 1s. 10d. change was given her—the florin was put in the till—there were no other florins there—I afterwards examined it, found it was bad, and gave it to Miss Seal, who gave it back to the prisoner, and the prisoner gave back the change and paid for what she had—I have no doubt she is the person.

ELIZABETH SEAL . I am a barmaid at Waterloo Station—on 12th September the prisoner, I believe, but I won't swear to her, had some milk, and paid me with a florin—I put it in the till—there were no other florins there, only small silver—Miss Gregg afterwards took it out and handed it to the prisoner.

CHARLES HOPGOOD . I am manager to Mr. Clarke at Waterloo Station—on 10th October this shilling was given to me—I fetched a constable, who spoke to the prisoner—I did not near what she said—I gave him the shilling and said to her" You have been trying to pass bad money, and I am afraid this is not the first time"—she said,' 'I know nothing about it." RICHARD EDMUNDS. I am a detective employed by the London and South-Western Railway—Mr. Hopgood took me to the prisoner and showed me this shilling—I told her I should detain her till a metropolitan?

constable was fetched, and she would be charged with uttering a bad shilling—she made no reply—I handed her over to Warren with the shilling.

WILLIAM WARREN (Policeman). I took the prisoner and received this shilling—she said that she was not aware it was bad—a gentleman gave it to her the previous night with 10s.—on the way to the station she took a good florin from her pocket—a good half-crown and shilling were found in her purse—Mrs. Sutton said in the prisoner's hearing that she was there some days before and tendered bad money, the prisoner made no reply.

MR. JOHN WEBSTER , This shilling is bad.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I know nothing about it; I received it from a gentleman the night before with some other silver."

GUILTY of uttering the shilling only.— Four Months' Hard Labour.

ADJOURNED TO MONDAY, DECEMBER 1 ST, 1882.


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