Old Bailey Proceedings, 1st May 1882.
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Held on Monday, May 1st, 1882, and following days,

BEFORE THE RIGHT HON. JOHN WHITTAKER ELLIS, LORD MAYOR of the City of London; The Hon. Sir HENRY HAWKINS , Knt., one of the Justices of the High Court of Justice; THOMAS QUESTED FINNIS, Esq., Sir EOBERT WALTER GARDEN, Knt., M. P., Sir JAMES CLARKE LAWRENCE , Bart., M. P., DAVID HENRY STONE , Esq., and Sir CHARLES WHETHAM, Knt., Aldermen of the said City; Sir THOMAS CHAMBERS , Knt., Q. C., M. P., Recorder of the said City; HENRY EDMUND KNIGHT , Esq., GEORGE SWAN NOTTAGE , Esq., SIMEON CHARLES HADLEY , Esq., and JOHN STAPLES , Esq., other of the Aldermen of the said City; Sir WILLIAM THOMAS CHARLEY , Knt., Q. C., D. C. L., Common Serjeant of the said City; and ROBERT MALCOLM KERR , Esq., LL. D., Judge of the Sheriffs' Court: Her Majesty's Justices of Over and Terminer, and General Gaol Delivery, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.

REGINALD HANSON , Esq., Alderman,





Under Sheriffs.



A star (*) denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody-two stars (**) that they have been more than ones in custody—a dagger (†) that they are known to be the associates of bad characters—the figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.


NEW COURT.—Monday, May 1st, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant

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466. JOHN HAYDON** (50) PLEADED GUILTY to feloniously uttering counterfeit coin.— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

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467. EDWARD GREEN (23) to unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

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468. THOMAS FREDERICK KNOWLES to stealing, whilst employed in the Post Office, two letters containing moneys of the Postmaster General .— Five Years' Penal Servitude. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] And

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469. WALTER CHARLES WOODHURST (22) to stealing, while employed in the Post Office, a letter containing a sovereign, four half-sovereigns, and other money, the property of Her Majesty's Postmaster-General.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

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470. FRANCIS WARD (24) , Feloniously uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. EYRE LLOYD Prosecuted.

LOUISA SNAGG . I am barmaid at the Albion, Vernon Place, Bloomsbury—on 22nd March, in the afternoon, I served the prisoner with half a pint of ale, which came to 1 1/2 d.—he gave me a bad florin—I said "This is a bad one," and showed it to the landlord, and the prisoner ran away with out drinking any of the beer—some one went after him and brought him back, and he was given in charge with the coin.

SIDNEY VIDLER (Policeman E 340). The prisoner was given into my custody—he said nothing—I searched him on the spot, and found 1½d. in his trousers pocket—he said, going to the station, "A man gave it to me to go in and get a drink, and if they said anything or took it into the parlour, I was to run away, which I did"—he gave his address at Emmerson's Lodging-house, Peerless Street, City Road—I made inquiries, but could not find it—the florin was bent—I put it between my teeth, and a piece fell out of it.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . I am Inspector of Coin to Her Majesty's Mint—this is a bad florin.

Prisoner's Defence. I did not know it was bad.


He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of a like offence in January, 1881.— Two Years' Hard labour.

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471. JOHN GLOUCESTER (22) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.


CHARLES MARCH . I keep the Three Crowns, Mile-end Road—on Sunday, 26th March, a little before 7 o'clock p.m., the prisoner and another man and two women came in—one of the men called for a pot of ale, and one put down a shilling, which I put in the till, where there was no other shilling—I gave sixpence and twopence change—they all four drank out of the pot—the prisoner then asked for a twopenny cigar, and gave me a shilling—I said, "This is a bad one; I will break it in half"—he took it out of my hand and said, "No, you don't break it;" and the four went out, leaving nearly a pint of ale in the pot—the prisoner paid for the cigar with good coppers—I then went to the till and found the shilling was bad—I went out after them, and discovered three of them in a public-house—I waited outside for a constable, and pointed out to him the prisoner going into the Nag's Head—I charged him, but did not hear what he said, as I stopped to see what money there was in the till at the Nag's Head—I gave the shilling from the till to the constable—this is it, and this is the one the prisoner snatched from me—I know it by the mark where I bit it.

ARTHUR WHITE . I was called to the Nag's Head—March charged the prisoner with uttering two bad shillings—I said, "Where is the bad money you have been uttering?"—he said, "I have none"—on the way to the station he was feeling in his left pocket—I said, "You had better let me have your hand down behind you"—he turned round, smacked my face, and broke my chin-strap, and cut a piece off my thumb in the fall—we both fell—another constable came and helped me—we took him to the station, where I found this other shilling wrapped in tissue paper in his jacket pocket with some tobacco, the same pocket which he was feeling in—that is the bitten shilling—I also found a florin and 10 pence—he said, "I met the man in the street; he treated me to a pot of beer, and then handed me another shilling to pay for another pot. "

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These two shillings are bad, and from the same mould.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "The shilling was given me to call for a cigar, not a pot of ale; the man said he would be but a few minutes, but did not come back. "

Prisoner's Defence. It was the same shilling I had in the public-house, and what I called for the cigar with, which was found in my pocket.

GUILTY of the second uttering .— Nine Months' Hard Labour,

OLD COURT.—Tuesday, May 2nd, 1882.

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472. JAMES FITZPATRICK (18), and MICHAEL BARRY (22) , Feloniously wounding William Hewitt, and causing him grievous bodily harm.



WILLIAM HEWITT (Policeman E 463). On the night of the 10th April I was on duty in Neale Street, Seven Dials—about 9.30 p.m. I saw a lot of young men and boys taking off an old gentleman's hat—I took the hat

away from them, and gave it back to the old gentleman—the boys ran up Neale Street into Nottingham Court; I followed them; I was knocked" right across the street with a pickaxe-handle—I saw both the prisoners there—I don't know who struck me the first time—I was felled to the ground by the first blow—I looked up while I was lying on the around, and saw Fitzpatrick, alias Connell, with a pickaxe stick in his hand in the attitude of striking me—I put up my hand and warded off the blow, and seized him by the throat—we struggled together and fell on the ground together—the blood was running down over one of my eyes; I could not see very well with that eye, I could see with the other—I received four or five more blows with the same sort of sticks, and became insensible—I did not recover my senses till next morning, when I found myself in Charing Cross Hospital—I saw Barry with a stick in his hand, and several others who are not in custody also had similar sticks like these (produced)—this is the stick I took away from Fitzpatrick—I was kept at the hospital till 24th April—I have known the prisoners over two years—I have been on that beat on and off over three years—I knew them and knew their names perfectly well—I knew Fitzpatrick by the name of James O'Connor, and Barry as Michael Barry—I know the Horse and Groom public house; it is in Neale Street, about 7 or 8 yards from where I was assaulted—about a quarter of an hour before the assault I saw Barry standing outside the Horse and Groom—he did not then appear to be drunk.

Fitzpatrick. I own I hit him once—it was me that struck him the first blow, when he was standing up—one, not in custody, struck him twice; we only struck him three times altogether—he was drinking with me about half an hour before.

Witness. I was not—I did not want to fight any of them; I only requested them civilly to go away.

Cross-examined by MR. POYNTER. There were about 20 there when I requested them to go away—Barry was wearing woollen cord trousers, a black coat and vest, and a hard felt hat—I do not know Stevens, Power, or Sullivan, they might have been there—I did not see them—I don't know Bose, O'Connor, or Dwyer, or Twohig—I saw Taylor there.

CHARLES BURTKNSHAW . I am 13 years of age and live at 37, Short's Gardens—on 10th April I saw Hewitt in Neale Street—I saw him go up to Fitzpatrick and some others and ask them to move on—Fitzpatrick turned round and swore at him and ran away towards Nottingham Court—I followed—I saw Hewitt on the ground and Fitzpatrick with a pickaxe-handle; he hit the constable with it over the head; he bled——I knew Fitzpatrick by sight and by name—I saw Barry there; I knew him before for about twelve months—I did not see him do anything to the constable—I saw some sticks in his hand like these—he gave them around to his comrades, a dozen, or it might be a little more—alter that I heard Fitzpatrick challenge the constable to fight—the constable was standing up then—some other constables came up and took the wounded constable away—by that time all the crowd had run away—this was close by the Horse and Groom.

Cross-examined by Fitzpatrick. I did not see Stevens there, or Power or Sullivan—I know Rose O'Connor, she was not there; she was next door to the Horse and Groom—I do not know Taylor, Dwyer, or Twohig.

GEORGE CLIFTON . I live at 25, Neale Street—I was with the last

witness—one of the lads took off an old gent's hat—Fitzpatrick was there—I knew him by name—I have seen him about the streets—I saw the constable Hewitt there—I saw the boys run away, and the constable after them—I saw Fitzpatrick with a pickaxe-handle in his hand, and strike Hewitt on the forehead a good many blows with it—there was a struggle—the constable fell from loss of blood; he was bleeding very much—I afterwards saw Fitzpatrick go from one door of the Horse and Groom to the other—I saw Barry there when the policeman was assaulted; he was up the court while Fitzpatrick and the police were struggling, and he aimed a pickaxe-handle and hit him at the back of the head—he gave the sticks to each one, or they took them out of his arms—he threw one stick at the policeman and hit him at the back of the head—he then ran away with two other men—just before Fitzpatrick was taken into custody he asked me for a cigarette-paper, to take the jolly off—I don't know what that means—I picked a piece of paper out of the road, and then he asked another boy for a bit—he said "I hope to Jesus Christ the policeman dies, because he is sure to have me inside when he comes out"—I saw him taken into custody, and I said to the policeman, in his presence, "You have got the right one there"—after Barry was taken into custody I went to the police-station, and there picked Barry out from among eight and nine others, they were standing together—I have known him lour or five years—I have been in the habit of seeing him nearly every day—I was two or three yards off when the policeman was being beaten—I have no doubt whatever that the prisoners are the men.

Cross-examined by Fitzpatrick. You saw me and Tommy Spikens, and as soon as you saw the policeman you walked from one door to the other.

Cross-examined by MR. POYNTER. When Barry aimed the pickaxe-handle at the policeman he had no more in his possession, he threw the stick over the people's heads—I know Rose O'Connor, she was drunk in the Horse and Groom that night—I saw her come out and walk in again—that was before the row.

THOMAS SPIKENS . I live at 38, Short's Gardens—on Easter Monday, 10th April, I was in Neale Street—I saw Hewitt there—I saw Fitzpatrick with a stick in his hand, and he struck the constable with it on the head—I saw a struggle take place, and sticks used by the mob—I saw a stick thrown at the constable; I don't know who threw it—while Fitzpatrick was struggling with the policeman, he said to one of the chaps"John, oh, cut him down"—I saw the constable fall down, and Fitzpatrick got away—later on I was with Clifton, and saw Fitzpatrick—he asked Clifton for a cigarette-paper to store it off—he said he hoped to Jesus Christ the policeman would die, if he did not he was sure to have him when he came out—I did not see Barry there at all; I knew him before—there were about forty people there—I saw Burtenshaw there.

SAMUEL WARNER (Policeman E 344). About 9.15, on 10th April, I was spoken to and went to Neale Street, where I found Hewitt lying on the ground insensible and bleeding, and still keeping hold of this pickaxe-handle—there was blood on it.

ISAAC WARD (Policeman E 351). At 11.15, on the night of 10th April, I went to the Crown and Anchor, in Neale Street—I there saw Fitzpatrick at the bar—I said "I shall take you in custody for being concerned

with others in assaulting Police-constable E 463"—he said "I will go quiet"—on the road to the station he said "How is the constable?"—I said "He is very ill; they have taken him to the hospital—he said "I struck him two or three times; I know I struck him two or three times"—I said "What with?"—he said "A stick"—before taking him I went to 5, Nottingham Court and found Fitzpatrick's father there—Fitzpatrick lives there—in the doorway I found this pickaxe-handle and the constable's helmet—when I took him he had been drinking, but was not drunk—I knew Barry by sight before the night of the 10th April—about 10 o'clock in the evening I saw him in Neale Street—he went into the Horse and Groom.

Cross-examined by Fitzpatrick. You was not very drunk; you had been drinking, but you knew very well what you were doing and saying.

Cross-examined by MR. POYNTER. Barry was drunk when I saw him.

WILLIAM DODGE (Policeman E 362). On Thursday, 13th April, I saw Barry standing outside the Black Horse Tavern, in Neale Street, and in consequence of what I had heard I told him I should take him into custody for an assault on Police-constable Hewitt—he said "All right, I thought I should be locked up for this, but I can get witnesses to prove I am innocent. I was lying in the tap of the Black Horse drunk when this occurred. 1 was talking with a woman at the chandler's shop the morning after the affair, and she said that any time I was locked up she could come and prove that I was innocent"—the boys picked him out from a number of others in the station—the Black Horse tap is about 100 yards from the spot where the constable was found insensible.

Re-examined. The name of the woman at the chandler's shop is Mrs. Stevens.

WILLIAM HEWITT (Re-examined). Shortly before I was assaulted I had Been Rose O'Connor, about 9 o'clock, she was lying outside the Horse and Groom public-house drunk—I assisted her up and she went inside again and remained there—I don't know the landlord of that house.

CHARLES ROBINSON CRANE . I am house surgeon at Charing Cross Hospital—between 11 and 12 o'clock on 10th August, Easter Monday, I saw Hewitt at the hospital; he had a deep wound over the temple, extending down to the bone; there were three bruises over the scalp—he was quite insensible and remained so for some six or seven hours—he remained in the hospital till 24th April, suffering from concussion of the brain, which the injuries to the head would account for—the symptoms for the first two days were very serious and might have proved fatal—it will be some weeks before he will be fit for work—such a stick as that would cause the injuries—great violence must have been used, in my opinion.

Fitzpatrick, in his defence, stated that he only struck the constable once, and that Barry was not there.

Witnesses for Barry.

CLARA STEVENS . I keep a chandler's shop in Neale Street—I know Barry by sight, but I never spoke to him till Easter Tuesday—on that night I heard a disturbance outside; I went out to see what it was—there were about thirty people outside; most of them were women—I did not see Barry there; if he had been I think I should have seen him.

Cross-examined. I had seen Barry before, but not for a twelvemonth—

I did not know his name; I know it now—I saw somebody throw a shovel handle at the policeman, and I cried out "Oh, that is Mickey Barry"—I always called that young man Mickey Barry, but his name is Dempsey; he is some relation to Barry; I have not seen him lately; I have heard that he has gone to America—I saw Barry after the assault; he came round to me about 9 o'clock on Easter Tuesday, and said "Mrs. Stevens, have I heard aright that you said it was me that struck the policeman on the temple?"—I said "No, I did say it was Mickey Barry, but I did not mean you"—no one who saw them could possibly mistake them, for Dempsey is much taller than Barry, and he is darker and younger—they are something alike in the face, because they are relations I believe.

EMMA POWER . I live at 82, Neale Street, Long Acre—on Bank Holiday, just after 10, I went out and saw a disturbance—I did not see Barry there; he was not there at the time I was there.

Cross-examined. I went away immediately after the first blow was struck at the policeman, to fetch a policeman—whether he was there before or after I can't say—I had never seen him before.

ROGER SULLIVAN . I live at 80, Neale Street—I saw the finish of this disturbance—I have known Barry about ten years—I did not see him in Neale Street at the disturbance.

Cross-examined. Fitzpatrick and the constable were struggling; they had hold of one another; the constable was not on the ground; it was dusk, not dark.

ROSE O'CONNOR . I live at 87, Neale Street—on Easter Monday evening, between half-past 9 and 10 o'clock, I saw a disturbance in Neale Street—I have know Barry from a baby—he was not in the disturbance—he was not there at all.

Cross-examined. I was not drunk that night; I was quite sober—I was not lying drunk outside the public-house, nor did Hewett, the constable, pick me up—I was not in the Horse and Groom—I went to the Black Horse to get a pint of beer—I was not drunk there.

MARY TAYLOR . I live at 38, Neale Street—I have known Barry about two years—I did not see him in Neale Street on the night of Easter Monday—I saw the commencement of the disturbance; I saw a young man not in custody throw a stick down the court and pick it up and strike the constable with it—I don't know the young man's name; I should know him if I saw him; he is not here.

Cross-examined. He was not a bit like Barry; he is taller—you could not mistake one for the other—I saw Mrs. O'Connor; she was quite sober—I was at the Black Horse about 9 that evening—I saw Barry there.

DANIEL DWYER . I live at 16, Princes Row, Newport Market—I know Barry by working with him at several places—I did not see him in Neale Street on Easter Monday night—I went with him to the Black Horse about a quarter to 8; I remained there till about a quarter past 8; I then went home to supper; I returned about a quarter-past 9 or a little after and found him asleep on a form in the public bar—I remained there with him till very nearly 11, when I took him home—he was intoxicated—there was a lot more in the bar; Twohig was there.

Cross-examined. Mr. Groom is the landlord of the Black Horse—I don't believe Barry was sober when we went to the Black Horse—I paid for one drink there; he had part of it; I did not see him have any more—I heard nothing of the row that night.

DANIEL TWOHIG . I live at 1, King's Head Yard, close to Neale Street—on Easter Monday at 9 o'clock I was at the; Black Horse; Barry was there asleep on a form seemingly drunk—about half-past 9 I was away for about ten minutes; I then returned, and was there till towards half-past ten—Barry was still there asleep, and I left him there when I went away.

Cross-examined. He never spoke to me—I heard nothing of the two—I saw Mrs. O'Connor that night—she was not drunk; she was quite sober—I did not see the landlord—the mistress and a young girl were serving.

JOSEPH GUIVER . I live at 13, Nightingale Court—I have known Barry eight or nine years—I saw a disturbance in Neale Street on the night of Easter Monday—Barry was not there—I was there most of the time—I saw the policeman struck, and saw a stick thrown at him by a man named Dempsey; I knew him by sight; he is a good deal like Barry in dress and everything; he was a shade taller and rather younger looking.

Cross-examined. They might easily be mistaken the one for the other—I was not examined before the Magistrate; I was there, but was too late.

GUILTY .— Five Years' Penal Servitude each.

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473. JOHN SHELDON FEREDAY (25) was indicted for the wilful murder of Henry Sands.

Upon the evidence of Dr. William Guest Carpenter, Surgeon to Her Majesty's Prison of Clerkenwell, the Jury found the prisoner to be insane and unfit to plead .— Ordered to be detained until Her Majesty's pleasure be known.

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474. GEORGE PARKER was indicted for and charged on the Coroner's Inquisition which, the manslaughter of John Donovan.

MR. POLAND Prosecuted

MR. J. P. GRAIN Defended.

THOMAS WAXELYN . I live at 39, Baldwin's Gardens, Holborn, and am a dealer in crockery—on Saturday night, 8th April, about 10.30, I was with a hand-barrow of crockery at the corner of Cross Street and Leather Lane—I saw a two-horse cattle van coming from the direction of Hatton Garden towards where my barrow was, the Leather Lane way—I believe the prisoner was driving—there were two other men on the dickey of the van—they were coming at an ordinary trot, eight miles or so, perhaps a little less—I thought there was not sufficient room to pass my barrow, and I held my hand up for them to stop, and called out "Stop"—no notice was taken; the van drove on, and struck a basket with some goods in, which was in the roadway beside the barrow; the crockery was smashed—I ran to the near side horse's head, and asked them to stop to see what damage they had done; I laid hold of the bridle and the reins—they did not stop—I went on with them to the Griffin public-house in Clerkenwell Road—when I got there I let go—I had gone very nearly a quarter of a mile, I should think, laying hold of the reins—I called a constable's attention, and we got into a hansom cab and went in pursuit of the van; they were not caught—after I let go the reins I heard a shriek, and I asked them to stop—while this was going on I saw the man do something—I don't know if he was whipping the horses—I was very much upset, for I did not know how to get off; I asked them to stop for me to get off—I think from what I could see that the horses had got the upper hand of him—I think the smash of the crockery may have frightened them.

Cross-examined. Directly my crockery basket was broken I caught hold, of the reins—they were two very powerful horses—I had a naphtha lamp on my basket, but it was not alight at this time—I let go of the reins after I heard the shriek—it was quite dark; the streets were lit up in the ordinary way—all I could see was the horses and the cart—the lad might not hare seen me holding up my hand before they knocked over the basket—they were coming at a moderate pace—except for hearing the shriek I did not know that anybody was knocked down.

Re-examined. In Leather Lane there is a general market on Saturday night, and the shops are open each side—there was the ordinary light of a market night.

JOHN BUDGE (Policeman O 130). On Saturday night, 8th April, about a quarter to 11,1 was on duty in Clerkenwell Road—I saw there a van drawn by two horses coming round the corner from Leather Lane; they were galloping at 9 or 10 miles an hour, I should think—after they got round the corner between three and four yards I saw a man crossing the road towards Reid's brewery; the road is wide there—the horses knocked him down, and one of the wheels, I can't say which, went over him—I at once jumped at the horses, and tried to stop them—I got hold of one rein of the off-sid ehorse, and ran with them about 120 yards but was unable to stop them, and was obliged to let go—I could not see that the driver tried to pull up at all; the van went down the Gray's Inn Road, turned to the right towards King's Cross, and I lost sight of it—besides the man who was driving I saw two men in the van, standing up by the side of him—I should think the van drove down Gray's Inn Road at 11 or 12 miles an hour—I did not hear the smash of the crockery—I should think the man was about a yard from the pavement when he was knocked down—the last witness and a constable got into a hansom and tried to catch the van—I went back to the place where the man had been knocked down; I found a constable there with him, and the man was bleeding from the head and insensible—I took him to the Royal Free Hospital in a cab—I could not say who the man was who was driving—I did my utmost to stop the horse.

Cross-examined. They came out of Cross Street into Leather Lane, where there are barrows and stalls in the roadway—going along Leather Lane there is a sudden turn into what was called Liquor pond Street, at the corner of which is Reid's brewery—I was on the side from which the deceased had crossed—it was not dark at that corner; there is a difference in the light directly you turn out of Leather Lane—Reid's brewery is a dead wall—there are five or six lamps on it, I think—I caught hold of the rein in my right hand and the trace in my left hand, and ran along—I did my very best to stop them; they were powerful horses, and I could not—I could not tell whether the driver was pulling the rein tight that I was holding, or whether he was trying to pull up or not; the horses did not slacken their speed.

Re-examined. There is not much traffic in the Clerkenwell Road—there was nothing passing to prevent him going outside the man to avoid him.

By MR. GRAIN. He was only a yard from the near side—it was a pole van—to avoid him the driver must have pulled the two horses across the road.

JOHN MARSHALL (Policeman G 40). I was in Clerkenwell Road with

the last witness—I saw this van coming round from Leather Lane into Clerkenwell Road at a rapid pace, about 9 or 10 miles an hour—when it got about three yards or more down the Clerkenwell Road it knocked a man down, and I saw the fore off wheel go over him, and then he seemed to twist round, and the hind off wheel went over him—I called out to the driver "Stop!" he seemed to take no notice of it—the other constable went after the van, and when I found he could not stop it I turned on my bull's-eye, and after several efforts I found the name of "John Lowe" on the van—there was a driver and two other men in front; one of the men by the side of the driver, I can't say which one, seemed to be whipping all the time—the speed increased in the Clerkenwell Road—the other constable had to leave go of the reins—I saw the van turn to the right towards King's Cross—Wakelyn came up to me, and we jumped into a hansom cab and drove about half a mile after the van, down the Gray's Inn Road, as far as Manchester Street—the cab did not gain on it at all; it got right away from us—when we started in pursuit it had about 100 yards start—the speed seemed to increase in the Clerkenwell Road—when I saw pursuit was useless I told the driver of the cab to pull up, and went back to the Royal Free Hospital, where I found the man was dead—that was about 10 minutes after I had seen him run over—I then went to the police-station, and afterwards I and some other constables went to Mr. Lowe's yard in Maiden Lane, York Road, King's Cross; I got there at 12 o'clock that night—I found a Tan in the yard with the horses out, like the van I had seen—I found white mud on it, and on the felloe of the off hind wheel a spot of what appeared to be fresh blood—we stayed there till half-past 3 on the Sunday morning, but could not find the driver of the van, and came away—the horses appeared to trot round the corner, but when the man was run over they commenced to gallop.

Cross-examined. Coming round from Leather Lane into Clerkenwell Road they were trotting—I was standing beside the other constable—I did not see the deceased till he was knocked down—there was a good light from a public-house opposite—he was nearly on the opposite aide of the road from which he had crossed—I ran across directly I saw him fall—I ran alongside the van, and kept my bull's-eye on it; I saw the name, but could not keep the light on long enough to get the address—the three persons were sitting in the front of the van, and appeared to be the same height in the van—I could not say if there was anything in it—I saw the lash of a whip applied to the horses—the wheels of these vans are high, but the body goes down nearly to the ground—I was running along with my lamp turned on the side, and I saw a whip—I don't know which one had the whip—one of the men kept whipping the off horse; I think it cut him about the shoulders and side—I know that my mate had hold of that horse's trace and rein—I thought they whipped him to make him let go—I don't think they whipped before they ran over the man—I did not notice who had the reins before the deceased fell—there is no cabstand there, it was a casual cab coming along—I will swear the van had not gone 200 yards before we started—I got into the cab in the Gray's Inn Road.

JOSEPH WILLIAM JONELLA . I live at 17, Delhi Street, and am a book-binder—I was in Cross Street when this matter occurred—I heard the crash of the crockery, then I saw Wakelyn trying to stop the horses in

the van—the driver hit the horses with a whip to make them go the faster; that was about a minute after the crockery had been smashed—I never saw a van go quicker—I ran after it, but could not keep up—I heard a shriek when I got into Liquorpond Street, and afterwards saw a man lying in the road—I saw the policeman running after them.

Cross-examined. It was at the corner of Cross Street I saw them first—there was a regular crash—after I heard the crash the horses were going very fast round the corner—it was just turning the corner of Cross Street—I saw somebody hit the horses—I gave evidence before the Coroner, not before the police Magistrate—it was after I heard the crash of the crockery that I first saw the whip applied—Wakelyn asked them to stop before the whip was applied.

ALBERT VIACCHI . I am an engine-driver, of 43, Baldwin's Gardens, Gray's Inn Lane—on Saturday, 8th April, about 11 o'clock, I was in Clerkenwell Road, just by the entrance to Reid's brewery—I heard a noise of a vehicle coming along—I thought it was a fire-engine—I looked round and saw a pair-horse van coming out of Leather Lane and turn round the corner into Clerkenwell Road, and farther up it knocked a man down and ran over him—at that time the horses were going between 10 and 12 miles an hour—there were three men in the van, one on the dickey driving, and one on each side of him—I ran after the van and shouted to the driver to stop—he did not stop; he struck the horses with the whip—I followed the van—it turned into Gray's Inn Road; it was then going at a great pace—a policeman got into a Hansom cab and followed it—he came back in a short time—I afterwards went to the hospital—I saw the man there dead—when the horses came round Leather Lane into Clerkenwell Road they were galloping—when the man was knocked down he was about seven yards from the kerb—there were plenty of lights in the shops in Leather Lane.

Cross-examined. It was after the man was knocked down that I saw the whipping of the horses—I don't know whether it was the horses or the van that knocked him down, it was done so quickly—my wife was with me.

JESSIE VIACCHC . I am the wife of the last witness—I was with him on this Saturday night—I saw the van coming—my husband said, "Stand back, here is a fire-engine coming"—as I stood back I saw a man about a yard off the off horse, and the next instant he was knocked down by the horses—the van was going as fast as it could—I screamed, and threw up my arms—one of the men looked out at the side of the van, and instantly drew his head in again, and the horse was whipped by one of them, I can't say which—that was after the man was knocked down—my husband called out "Stop!" and ran after the van; but it did not stop, it went on faster.

Cross-examined. We were on the side of Reid's brewery—the deceased had nearly got to the side where we were—he was about a yard or two from us—there is hardly any pavement there, only just a kerb—I saw the van come round the corner, golloping, and it was galloping when the man was knocked down.

WILLIAM BENNETT . I am manager to Mr. John Low, cattle salesman, of York Road, Islington—I am the prisoner's uncle—at 5 o'clock on this Saturday afternoon the prisoner was sent out with a van to Forest Hill to get two cows—no one was with him—I was in bed at 10.80—he

had not returned then—about midnight a policeman came and looked at the Tan, which was then in the yard—I did not see the prisoner that night—I saw him next morning—I told him I had heard that a man was run over in Gray's Inn Road by one of our cattle carts and killed—he said, "I am not aware of it. "

Cross-examined. The prisoner has been ten years under my charge—he has always been a good, quiet, steady lad, and always brought his horses home in good order—these two horses were very powerful and high-stepping—they did not want the whip, and I don't believe they would stand it—I saw them about 5 or 6 o'clock in the morning—one is a Danish horse—I saw no whip marks on them—he had the two cows in the cart, and took them to the slaughter-house direct.

Re-examined. He has been six or seven years in Mr. Low's service—he had driven these horses ever since we had them.

RICHARD DAYBELL (Police Sergeant G 25). On Sunday morning, 9th April, at 7 o'clock, I was on duty at King's Cross Road Police Station—the prisoner came there with another young man—he said, "I have come about a barrow that was knocked over in Leather Lane last night"—I said, "Yes, what do you know about it?"—he said, "I was the driver of the van that knocked it over"—I said, "I must caution you with regard to what else you say, as the driver of the van that knocked the barrow over also knocked a man down and killed him on the spot; as you acknowledge yourself the driver, you will be detained here till the witnesses are sent for, then you will be charged with causing the death of this man"—he said, "I saw the man fall down close to the van, but I did not know we went over him, or know that anybody was injured"—some of the witnesses were sent for, and he was formally charged—he attended the inquest, but was not examined.

Cross-examined. No one was present when he made this statement—I made a note of it a few seconds afterwards.

ELIZA DONOVAN . I live at 13, Fox Court, Gray's Inn Road—the deceased John Donovan was my husband—he was about 47 years of age, and was a labourer—I last saw him on Saturday night, 8th April, about 7 o'clock; he was then at home and quite sober; he was in good health—I saw him next morning dead at the hospital.

RICHARD CATHCART BRUCE . I was house surgeon at the Royal Free Hospital on Saturday night, 8th April, at a few minutes after 11, when the deceased was brought in—he was dead—I found four or five of his ribs on both sides fractured, the lungs perforated, and a compound fracture of the left arm—they were such injuries as the wheel of a van going over him might have caused—death arose from those injuries.

FREDERICK MCDONALD . I made these plans—the width of the carriage way of Cross Street at the corner of Leather Lane is 25 feet, at the corner of Leather Lane it is 19 feet, by Reid's brewery it is about 56 feet—the distance from the corner of Cross Street, Leather Lane, to the Griffin public-house is not quite a quarter of a mile.

THOMAS WAKELYN (Reexamined). I could not recognise the prisoner as the driver of the van—the men with him were urging him on it seemed to go very fast.

The prisoner received a good character.


NEW COURT.—Tuesday, May 2nd, 1882.

Before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18820501-475

475. WILLIAM SAIT (29) and WILLIAM HALE (32) , Stealing a cask and 255 lb. of white lead, the property of Wilfrid Nicholson, the master of Hale, to which HALE PLEADED GUILTY .

MR. GILL Prosecuted;

MR. GEOGHEGAN defended Sait.

JOHN HOWLETT . I am warehouseman in the employ of Jenson and Nicholson, Tarnish manufacturers, of 65, Goswell Road, Clerkenwell—on 9th March I gave directions to deliver two chests of white lead at the Willow Walk Station of the Brighton Railway, consigned to Mr. George Smith, of Cliftonville, Brighton—they were, delivered into Hale's van, and it would be his duty to deliver them and get the signature of the railway clerk in the delivery book—he left soon after 3 o'clock, and I did not see him again till next morning—I afterwards received a communication from Brighton—the casks weighed 2 cwt. 1 qr. 3 lb., and were worth about 2l. 8s.

ALFRED KEY . I am receiver of goods at the Willow Walk Station—on 9th March, between 5 and 6 p.m., Hale came with his van and two casks of white lead, one of which was leaking, and he took it back by my direction—I made this entry, "Only one received. "

JOHN CHARLES NICHOLSON . I am manager to my father—on 14th March I received advice of the non-delivery of this cask of white lead, which should have gone to Mr. Smith—I called Hale in and spoke to him about it—I afterwards sent a messenger to the railway to make inquiries, and from what I heard I called in the police on 16th March—we nave a horsekeeper named Sait, but I never saw the prisoner Sait before he was charged.

Cross-examined. The other Sait is still in our employ—the fair value of the lead is 19s. 6d. a cwt.—the cask was in good condition, but it had a damaged appearance when it came back from the railway.

WILFRED NICHOLSON . I am a brother of the last witness, and assist in the business—I know Sait by sight; I have seen him in the yard several times and also in a house on the premises where his late uncle used to live—I have not seen him speaking to Hale, but I have to the carmen in the stable.

Cross-examined. I believe Sait who is in our employ, is a cousin of the prisoner; he had charge of our horses at the time.

ARTHUR POLLARD . I am an oilman, of 222, Roman Road, Old Ford—Sait had a wholesale rag shop close to me—on, I think, March 6th, he came to my place and asked if I was a buyer of a cask of white lead—I went to his place and examined it, and said "It won't do for my trade, but it will do for mixing up paints; I will give you 2l. for it"—he did not accept my offer then, but the same evening or next day the lead was sent to my premises, where the police found it.

Cross-examined. I have known Sait three years; he is a general dealer—I have seen him at sales; he buys anything he can turn a penny by—we talked about the lead openly in the bar of the Prince Albert.

STEPHEN MARONEY (Detective Sergeant G). I took Hale on the morning of the 17th, and went the same morning with Boulby to 6, St. Stephen's Road, Old Ford, a marine store shop kept by Sait—Boulby said "We are police-officers; did you buy a cask of white lead on Thursday last

from a carman?"—he hesitated a few moments and said "Yes, I did"—Boulby said "What did you give for it?"—he said "A sovereign"—Boulby said "That was stolen property"—he said "I did not take it in myself; my brother took it in"—Boulby asked where it was—he said "At an oilshop over the way"—I went to Pollard's oilshop, and the prosecutor identified it.

Cross-examined. We searched Sait's shop and found a variety of goods—a young man who I believe was Sait's brother, was also in the shop assisting—we found no white lead or varnish.

ROBERT BOULBY (Detective Sergeant). On 17th March I went to Sait's with Maroney; I have heard his evidence; it is correct.

WILLIAM HALE (the Prisoner). I have pleaded guilty to this indictment—I was in the employ of Jenson and Nicholson—I know Sait by his coming there to see his uncle, who was horsekeeper there, and I have called at his place to let him know how his uncle was, when he said "Any time you have got anything to sell I will buy it; I deal in anything,"I made no answer—that was about Christmas—when I had to deliver this white lead, after I left the railway station, I went to Southwark Street and Lower Marsh, Lambeth, and from there to Old Ford to Sait's—I got there between 6 and 7 o'clock with the van, which has the prosecutor's name in front—I went in and saw his brother, and then took the cask of lead in—I saw Sait on the following Saturday; we had a glass of ale, and he said "I have got some money to give you," and gave me a sovereign.

Cross-examined. I sold the lead to Sait's brother—I may have told him they were scrapings—I was the worse for liquor.

SAIT received a good character.


HALE.— Six Months' Hard Labour.

Reference Number: t18820501-476

476. GEORGE SAUNDERS (28), GEORGE FRETT (36), and WILLIAM HALES (20) , Stealing a package of tobacco, four chests, and a horse, van, and harness, of Samuel Taylor and others, the masters of Saunders and Frett.

MR. GILL Prosecuted;

MR. GEOGHEGAN defended Hales.

SAMUEL TAYLOR . I am a bonded warehouseman, of 181, Tooley Street—the three prisoners have each been in my employ at some time as carmen, and were known to each other—Hales left in the autumn of his own accord—on 27th December Saunders did not come to work; he was supposed to be ill, and Frett absented himself the same afternoon—I contract to supply vans to the South-Eastern Railway—the carmen take their vans there, receive orders, carry them out, and come back at night and book the work done—on 28th December Frett's van was at the South-Eastern Railway ready loaded—he had taken a load of paper to the Telegraph Office, in Gough Square, and after delivering that he had to go and collect butter from Brewer's Quay, and tobacco from Hill and Co., of Shoreditch—he came to me about 7 o'clock that night and said "I have lost my van"—I said "What was in it?"—he said "Five baskets of butter and some tobacco from Hill's, of Shoreditch"—I said "How did you come to lose it?"—he said "Some person from Nettlefield's, opposite, came over to Hill's and asked if the South-Eastern van was there. I said 'I am here for the South-Eastern.' He said 'We have some empty casks; can you take them?' I said 'Yes.? I then drew my van over the way to Nettlefield's, and they gave me one empty

cask there, and told me to go on to their other place, a few doors farther on, down a gateway, and they would send a man to bring the other cart up to my van, which they did "—I said "What made you leave your van?"—he said "I just went into the gateway to see if they were coming, and walked back again, and the van was gone"—I said "How long were you away from your van?"—he said "Not a minute, and whoever took it must have been in my pocket"—I said "I can't understand the van going in a minute, and I consider it was gross carelessness, as you had no occasion to leave your van, for the man had already gone down to bring the casks up to you; whoever took it must have been watching you. Did you see anybody standing about or following the van?"—he said "No"—I asked him what made him leave his van, he said "I did it in a hurry, not thinking"—he said that this occurred about 5 o'clock, and he was looking about for his van till 7 o'clock, and had given information at the police-station—I said "If I had done as I ought I should have stopped you this morning for absenting yourself yesterday afternoon"—he said "Oh, don't say anything about that, governor, this is bad enough"—I suspended him as carman, but kept him in the stable, and spoke to the police—on 11th January, Olley, a carman, made a communication to me, and I spoke to Inspector Abberline, and Olley acted under his sanction and mine—on 6th January I arranged with Dawson to let me have some goods to collect on his account; he lives in the Borough—on 23rd February I arranged for another load from the Great Western booking-office, Commercial Road, on account of the South Eastern—when I heard what had taken place I gave Saunders and Hales in custody on the Saturday following—on the Monday morning I asked Frett if he saw anything of Saunders and Hales on the day of the loss of his van—he said "No"—I said "Are you certain of that?"—he said "No"—I said "Be careful, I have given Hales and Saunders in custody; I believe you know all about it"—he said "I never saw them on that day"—I asked him twice "Will you swear it?"—he said "Yes"—I said "You will have to go to Commercial Street with Sergeant Wright"—he said "I hope you are not going to lock me up"—I said "We shall see," and on the advice of my solicitor I gave him in custody—after he went out, Looker, my horsekeeper, made a communication to me—Olley made statements to me from 11th January to 23rd February, which were correct as far at I could ascertain.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. I cannot say whether I inquired into Olley's character, but it is the practice—Olley did not speak to me before 11th January—we had offered 10l. reward about a week before that for the conviction of the thief and the recovery of the property, and there was a printed bill up at my office—Hales was two years on and off in my employ—I only took him on when I was busy—he was not in my employ at the time of the robbery.

Cross-examined by Frett. When a man goes into the yard he does not know what orders he is going to get. Re-examined. Olley never said anything about the reward.

HARRY LOOKER . I am horsekeeper to Mr. Taylor—after he spoke to Frett, on 25th February, he said to me as he came out "If the b—s round on me, I will see them out of it the best way I can."

Cross-examined by Frett. I did not tell you on 27th February all about

this affair, and Bay that there would be some rounding; I never spoke to you—you did not say "They can't round on me for I hare done nothing. "

ARTHUR WILLIAM OLLEY . I am a carman in Mr. Taylor's employ—I went there in April, 1881—I was summarily convicted in June, 1880, of stealing two jars of pickles—my sentence was three months—I knew the three prisoners in Mr. Taylor's employ—in the middle of December I was in Duke Street, Tooley Street, loading my van with tobacco and butter, when Hales spoke to me, and said "I can do with that load;" I said "I have got a mark for it at Hoxton, I don't care about doing anything of that kind now, as I have a wife and child at home"—he went away—on the 28th I took a load of paper to the Telegraph office, Gough Square, and Frett was following me with a load of paper; Hales and Saunders came up—Hales asked me where I was going to; I said "To Smithfield"—he said "Have you seen anything of Frett up hew?" I said "Yes, he is unloading"—just then Frett was coming along, and Hales said "Get along, he is coming, don't let him see us talking to you, or he will think we are telling you something"—I drove away, and left them there—I heard of the robbery on the 29th, and saw Frett that day; he gave me a South-Eastern Railway Company's bill and 11s. 5d. to pay to the company for him, which he had received on the 24th, and I did so—money should be paid in on the day it is received—on 11th January I saw Hales in Tooley Street, dressed in a suit of new clothes; he did not say anything—after that I told Mr. Taylor what I have stated to-day, and afterwards acted on his and Abberline's instructions—on 12th January I went to the Horse Shoe public-house, Grange Bo ad, Bermondsey, and saw Hales and Saunders, and went with them to the King's Arms—Hales said "How is Frett getting on?" I said "All right"—he said "That is a good job, as he is a good fellow; we had his load and sold it for 60l., and gave Frett 201. for his share; we had Vial's load of tea, four half-chests and 14 cads, and sold it for 20l. "—I said "You done the job very well;" he said "Yes, and we could do the same for you"—I said "It is not too late now;" he said "No, it is not"—as to Frett's load he said "We drove the van over Blackfriars Bridge, and had it in our hands for an hour and three-quarters; we took it to Bethnal Green, and the man was out, and then took it over Blackfriars Bridge, and while we were unloading the South-Western carman passed, and we thought he saw us "—on the 14th 1 saw Hales close by the King's Arms as I was taking my van to the stable; he stopped me and asked how I was getting on, and said "You know that last foggy Saturday we had a chest of tea out of a van in Crimscott Street"—I remember meeting them both at the Globe in Darwin Street—they said "We have been over to Newcastle Street, Strand, to see a Jew who will do with any goods we get from the docks, and you would have got a better price for your load if we had taken it there "—they also said "We have been to see the South-Western carman, and it is all right; he is the right chap, the South-Western carman brought the case in his van from Petty Woods, and the South-Western carman had the case himself"—Saunders said I saw Axford in the Borough, and he did not get a load; we were dodging about Buckley's van, but it was no use, he had a doe and a boy on the van; it was loaded with batter and cheese; I should like you to hive a load from Dawson's, it is sot 400 yards from the Mart"—I reported that conversation to Mr. Taylor—

Saunders also said at the Globe "I shall come and see the governor, meaning Mr. Lorney, and if he does not set me to work I shall go to Jack's house for a job, stay there about a month, and let them in for about 30 bags of sand," meaning sugar—Abberline and Wright were at the Globe at that time, and I reported to them from time to time and to Mr. Taylor what was taking place between me and Saunders and Hales—I saw them day by day, and they asked where I was going and what loads I had got, but I never seemed to have a load to suit them—on 25th January I met them in Tooley Street, near Mr. Taylor's office; that was the foggy day; I was waiting about for orders, but got none, and they said that they would come next morning—I saw them the next afternoon, and told them I was going to Dawson's for a load; they said "All right, we will come and see what orders you get"—I went to Dawson's and got the orders, and when I came back, Saunders and Hales were by the van—Saunders said "What orders have you got?" I showed him the orders, and Saunders said "All right, get away"—on getting my load I drove into Southwark Street, and left my van and went into Dawson's for the way-bill, and on coming out I saw Hales close to the van, which had been moved 20 or 30 yards—he said "I think the van is being watched, take it away; I will see whether they are watching me or the van"—he said that he had seen a detective, and said "Here he comes limping along, I would not touch the van for 100l. "—I drove the van away, and went to Dawson's and unloaded—I saw Hales and Saunders the same night at the Globe, and Hales said "When you drove the van away a lot of detectives ran out from where they were hiding;" he also said that Saunders had gone to the Mart—on 1st February Hales said "I saw Mr. Taylor looking into a cigar shop; I suppose he was looking for some of his "—he also said "I shall have to be up to something, I am hard up, and had to pawn my clothes on Saturday"—Saunders gave me a piece of tobacco, and said "Ain't you going to smoke, here is a bit of tobacco of J. B. Hill's"—Hales said that he had a chest of tea on the foggy Saturday—there had been a foggy Saturday—on 18th February I saw Hales in King Street, Borough—he asked where I was going; I said "To Covent Garden"—he said "I followed you from the South-Eastern Bail way, the man has taken a shed at Bed Cross Street, and is paying 7s. 6d. a week," meaning Mark; that he had had it a few weeks, and if he did not take many things soon he should give the shed up—on 21st February I saw Saunders at the King's Arms—he said "I saw Beck here last night; I should like you to have a load of goods like he had; Beck had got a new boy with him, and we must watch him about a bit, as we could easily get the boy away and say he was wanted; you know the time when Long Bob came to the stable and Inspector Kennett?" I said "Yes"—he said "It was about me and Clifford being at the South-Eastern Railway about a case of goods which was lost. I bad that. I thought it was a case of kid gloves going to Falson and Porter's in the City, as it was marked "F. P. "; I had a load of goods out of the South-Eastern Railway round the West End, and when I opened the case in Long Acre it was only colours, and 1 nailed the box up, and drove down Hatton Garden, and left it in a doorway on the right-hand side"—on 23rd February I saw Hales in Bermondsey—he asked where I was going; I showed him my order, which was to go to the Commercial Road for provisions—he said "All

right, get along, I will come over there"—I went to the Great Western office, Commercial Road, and had 18 cases of provisions, and drew my van away—I then saw Hales there; he said "Draw your van up a little higher and sheet the load up, which, I did, and left it, and went into the office to get the way-bill—he said "Stay in the office, and give me time to get away with it, and then go right home to Mr. Taylor's; give me good time, and then walk right home to Mr. Taylor's, and whatever you do don't tell Mr. Taylor that you saw us"—I went into the office, and when I had been there a quarter of an hour he came to the window and beckoned me out—I went out, and he said "Draw the van round the corner, as it is too open here"—I drove it round the corner and went back into the office; when I came out the van was gone—I had said "Which way are you going?" and he said "Down Leadenhall Street and Queen Victoria Street and over Southwark Bridge into Peter Street"—next day I saw Hales and Saunders at the King's Arms—Hales said "I left the van at the corner of Peter Street, and while I was going through the railway arch, Southwark Bridge Road, I saw Bowditch; (he is one of Mr. Taylor's carmen) he shouted out to me; I turned my head, and I do not think he saw me; I went down to get the place ready, and when I came up again I saw two detectives, and I left the van there and went for Saunders; he came to where the van was, but would not touch it, as there were too many detectives about, and it was as hot as mustard"—Saunders said "It ought not to come this side of the water at all; it ought to have gone to Bethnal Green"—Hale said, referring to a man in the public-house, "That is the man we ought to have taken it to; it was a good load, and the man said it was worth about 100l. "—after that they were charged.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. Everything I did was with my master's approval; he knew that the van was to be taken away by Hales and Saunders; he approved of that—I had no written character, but 3 told Mr. Taylor where I had been employed—he did not know that I had been convicted—I did not rob my master; it was where I was seat with some goods—Hales first made a proposal to me about the middle of December—I spoke to my master because I saw Hales dressed rather smart—I can read; I saw bills distributed about Mr. Taylor's place offering a reward about a week after the robbery, but it did not come into my mind to tell my master until I saw Hales—I did not know before 11th January that Hales had got Frett's load—I was employed to carry all kinds of merchandise, provisions, butter, and tobacco; I did so half a dozen times between January and December, but on this occasion I, had nothing to suit Hales—my brother was not out of work at this time; he has never driven in the van with me, but I saw him at home—I have not left Mr. Taylor's employ—after Hales left I kept up my acquaintance with him; I did not think he had put himself in my power—they told me all about the various robberies—I never asked them the name of the receiver, though my master told me to get all the information I could—Hales had never driven my van for me—: I knew he was out of work—it is not usual for carmen out of work to meet other carmen and inquire.

JOHN WESTROP . I am a carman in the service of the South-Eastern Railway—I know the prisoners by sight—I remember the loss of Mr. Taylor's van on the evening of 28th December; I had seen Frett that morning in Gough Square with his van, about a Quarter of an hour

after I arrived; I saw him in company with the two other prisoners—I asked Frett whose team they had; they said they were two men out of work, and were asking him about a job.

Cross-examined by Frett. It was about 9.30 a.m. when I saw you in West Harding Street coming out of Gough Square.

EDMUND LEIGH . I am a carman in my father's employ at Yalding Road, Bermondsey—I know Frett—on 28th December, about half-past 3 p.m., I saw him with his van in Great Tower Street going from London Bridge towards Tower Hill just out of a walk—Hales and Saunders, who I know, were walking on the pavement—next day my brother told me of the loss of the van, and I said what I had seen.

Cross-examined by Frett. You were not speaking to the other men; they were on the off side as you were going—there were not many vehicles about—it would be hard to keep your eyes on anybody in a van and talk to them.

CORNELIUS BROSENHAN . I live at 1, White Horse Alley, Smithfield—on 28th December, about 9 p.m., I found Mr. Taylor's van in Saffron Hill with nothing in it but a tarpaulin and an empty cask—I took it to a policeman.

ROBERT OLLEY . I am a stableman employed at Dyer and Jackson's—I am a brother of the witness Olley—on 19th January I was in the Globe in Dawson Street when my brother was there; I knew that he was in communication with Mr. Taylor about this—I saw Saunders and Hales there, and Hales told me that they had sold Frett's load for 60l., which was divided among them, and they had 20l. each, and if I wanted employment I could go to Fairclough; he said "You are sure to get on there; very likely you may have either a load of tea or tobacco, and we can do the same with yours as we did with Frett's. "

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. This took place in a public compartment; one female was there, who I believe was a friend of Hales, and two young women were behind the bar—this was not whispered in my ear, but it was said quietly—I have been out of work two or three weeks—I worked last at Brand's in Deptford Road for two years on and off, as a labourer—it is a colour place—I was only at Dyer and Jackson's a fortnight; I got discharged through attending at this trial; they had to get a man in my place; I am now a carriage washers-Hales was a perfect stranger to me—I am not aware that my brother heard the conversation; I did not mention it to him at the time, because I did not think it worth while—I have not seen the 10l., reward—my brother and I do not live together; sometimes I do not see him for months.

Cross-examined by Saunders, I did not Bay to you on the night in question "Shall I go to Fairclough's and get a job, and I will have my beard and moustache shaved off and nobody will know me;" it is false.

HENRY AXFORD , I am a carman in Mr. Taylor's service—in January I was unloading a van at the Great Northern booking-office in the Borough, and saw one of Buckley's vans go by with a load of cheese and a dog and a chain—after it had gone by I saw Hales and Saunders standing against Dawson's yard—Saunders came across to me and said "There is a load of cheese gone round the corner, and they have got a dog on it"—I said "I am going home"—I turned round and spoke to my mate—I have seen Hales and Saunders together several times in the King's Arms.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. That is a house where Mr. Taylor's carmen and workmen go.

ROBERT KENNETT (South-Eastern Railway Inspector). I know the three prisoners by sight—on 17th November last, between 11 and 2.30 in the day, a case marked "F. P." was lost from our station; it contained 16 tins of colours; I afterwards found it at 48, Hatton Garden; it had been broken open open and slightly nailed up again—it had been stolen from the station—Saunders had been with his van that day on the same platform where the case was standing.

FREDERICK MANLEY . I am bookkeeper to Mr. Duffield, a carman, of East Smithfield—on 28th February I lost a half-chest of tea from one of my vans between Red Lion Square and the South-Eastern Railway—it was a very foggy day.

WALTER FELTHAM . I live at 39, Chesterfield Grove, East Dulwioh, and am a friend of Mr. Taylor—on 23rd February I saw his van arrive at the Great Western booking-office; I was watching there—I saw Hales go into the office, and after some few minutes ho led his horse across the road, taking care to be on the off side—I then saw Olley lead the van round the corner—Hales got up in the van, sat on the left side, and drove away, sitting as low as he could, to make himself appear as small as he could—I followed the van on foot into Commercial Street, along Cornhill and Queen Victoria Street, Queen Street, Southwark Bridge, and it stopped at the corner of Peter Street about 7 o'clock—Hales had no whip; he thrashed the horse with the reins to make it go quicker, and when he got to Southwark Bridge the horse was SO exhausted that he could not get up the hill quick enough, and he had to go from one side of the road to the other—he left the van at the corner of Peter Street, went down Peter Street, and came back in a few minutes—he did not go up to the van, but he went near it—I saw him there again at 9.30—I stayed till a quarter to 10, and to the best of my belief I saw Saunders there—Inspector Abberline came up.

ARTHUR BOWDITCH . I am a carman in Mr. Taylor's employ—on the evening of 23rd February I was in Southwark Bridge Road, and saw one of my master's vans drive along—I did not recognise the driver, but I halloed out, and he rose up as if to adjust his seat, and sat down in the left-hand corner low in the van.

Cross-examined. As far as I know there was no seat in the van at all—the carmen sit as they like, high or low.

FREDERICK ABBERLINE (Police Inspector). I heard of the loss of this van on 29th December, and in January I heard of Olley's communication—he made statements to me from time to time in his master's presence—on 19th January I saw Saunders and Hales in company with Olley at the Globe Tavern, from about 9.30 till 10.15—on 26th January I knew what part of the contents of Olley's van were—I saw him drive it into Southwark Street—I had seen Hales and Saunders go into Southwark Street shortly before; and had placed Kimber, Haig, Wright, and East, to watch—I am told that one of them walks with a limp—I did not see what took place; I was not close enough—on 23rd February I saw Olley with his van loaded, outside the Great-Western booking-office—I saw Hales lead the horses across the road; he went back, and was standing apparently looking from the window into the booking-office—I did not see it drive away, but I went to Peter Street half or three-quarters

of an hour afterwards and saw it standing at the comer—on 27th February I waited there two or three hours and saw Sergeant Pickles there—after that I had a communication with Mr. Taylor again, and on the advice of his solicitor, Wright and White took Hales and Saunders on Saturday evening, 25th, and I went with them to the station, where I said "I am an inspector of police; you will be charged with stealing a horse and van and a load of goods, principally tobacco, on 28th September last; you will also be charged with inciting a man in Mr. Taylor's employ to steal, and further with stealing a load of goods on 23rd, in the Commercial Road"—Hales said "Not a bad lot either"—I saw Frett at the station on 27th, and told him he would be charged—he made no answer.

GEORGE WEIGHT (Police Sergeant). I was acting with other officers—I was in the Globe Tavern on 19th January, and saw Hales, Saunders, and the two Olleys—on 26th January I was with Haig in Southward Street, watching Olley's van—Haig walked with a limp on that occasion—I saw Hales and Saunders in Southwark Street, and also against Olley's van—I saw Saunders leave the van and go in the direction of Peter Street—Hales then moved the van about 20 yards, and then stopped—Haig had just passed—Hales waited till Olley came up—I saw them speak together and Olley went on with the van—on 23rd February I was at the corner of Peter Street, Hales drove up with Mr. Taylor's horse and van and stopped at the corner and went down Peter Street—he came back—a detective named Pickles was there—after that I saw Saunders, and I saw Hales twice, they went down Peter Street, and Saunders passed me again about 9.30, but did not touch the van.

STEVEN WHITE (Police Sergeant). On 23rd February I was watching Olley's van in the Commercial Road, and saw Hales standing in the doorway of the Cock public-house—I saw Olley draw the van towards the public-house and go back to the booking-office—Hales looked in at the window and called Olley out—Hales took hold of the horse's head and led him across the road, about 40 yards; he stood by the horse's head a little time and then went back to the booking-office, looked in the window, and Olley came out and walked across the road with him, took hold of the horse's head, and led it round into Leman Street—Olley went away and Hales got up into the van and drove away—I followed the van and found it in Peter Street, about 10 o'clock.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. This was done in the open street.

HENRY VILE . I am a carman of Tower Hill—on 2nd December I lost 14 caddies and 8½ chests of tea, value about 50l., from one of my vans—the van and horse were driven away, and the van was afterwards found empty.

SAMUEL TAYLOR (Re-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN). I have heard Olley say that he had my sanction to allow Hales to take away the van—it was understood that he had my countenance for it to the length of allowing them to drive away with the van, if they wanted to.

MR. GEOGHEGAN contended that under these circumstances there was no larceny of the van, it being taken with the owner's consent, but the RECORDER considered that watching a man commit a larceny was not assenting to its committal.

Frett, in his defence, stated that the other prisoners were not friends of his; that although he had been followed by detectives, he had never been seen with

them. He contended that his ragged appearance woe a proof that he had never received the 20l. that as to the receipt on 24th December, it was made out for 12s. 7d. instead of 11s. 7d., and when he got to the Great Eastern Railway there was no one to receive the money and he had to keep it, and having no money of his own, unfortunately made use of a few shillings of it, but borrowed the money afterwards and repaid it, and he produced several testimonials as to his character.

SAUNDERS and HALES— GUILTY .—Five Years' Penal Servitude each.


Reference Number: t18820501-477

477. GEORGE FRETT was again indicted for conspiring with Saunders and Hales to steal the goods of Samuel Taylor, upon which no evidence was offered. NOT GUILTY .

THIRD COURT.—Tuesday, May 2nd, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant

Reference Number: t18820501-478

478. HENRY GREEN (48) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.


MR. MEAD Defended.

THOMAS BARRY . I keep a toy-shop at 226, High Holborn—we sell every article at sixpence—I give the customer a ticket and take all money that is paid—the customer presents the ticket at the counter where he gets the article—on Saturday, 25th March, between 5 and 6 p.m., the prisoner tendered florins three or four times—I gave him 1s. 6d. change—while I was looking at and testing the last coin that he gave me, he brought me a shilling—I gave him into custody for tendering me four or five two-shilling pieces—I handed two florins to the constable—I searched the till; I found three two-shilling pieces—I gave them to the policeman—only some shillings and sixpences were in the till besides the florins—about 100 people were in the shop—I sit at a desk, which is raised, so that I can see all over the shop—I saw the prisoner walking round the shop—I have no doubt he is the man who tendered the last two-shilling piece—I saw him get the tickets and go across to the stalls.

Cross-examined. The prisoner never went out of my shop, it was all done in less than twenty minutes—I speak positively to the florin that I kept in my hand.

HENRY COCKS (Policeman E 424). I was called to the prosecutor's shop—the prisoner was standing underneath the desk—before Barry said anything the prisoner said "It was not a two-shilling piece I gave him, but a shilling; I had not a two-shilling piece about me"—he rolled about and seemed silly, as if he had been heavily drinking—he was taken to the station and searched—two two-shilling pieces, two half-crowns, six shillings, three sixpences, and 7 3/4 d. in bronze were found on him, good money—Mr. Barry gave me these two florins—the prisoner said in answer to the charge "It was not a two-shilling piece I gave him, but a shilling"—I received other coin from Mr. Barry, and one was brought the next day.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These florins are bad—one is from the same mould as the second one uttered.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I went into the place

to get a ticket, and went up to the desk where the prosecutor was taking money and gave him a shilling, taking a ticket, but he gave me in charge for giving him some bad two-shilling pieces. I told him I had not been there before. "

The prisoner received a good character.


Reference Number: t18820501-479

479. JOHN HAEEIS (19) PLEADED GUILTY to uttering a counterfeit shilling.— Six Months' Hard Labour.

Reference Number: t18820501-480

480. ANNIE WEBB (17) to concealing the birth of her child.— To enter into her own recognisances of 20l. to come up for judgment when called upon. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

Reference Number: t18820501-481

481. CHARLES SHIPWAY (45) to four indictments for stealing 21 yards of silk and other goods, the property of George Stone and others.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

Reference Number: t18820501-482

482. MARY ANN COLLIER (29) to forging an accountable receipt for goods, and to conspiring with others by false pretences to acquire from Thomas Burford his moneys.— One Month. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

Reference Number: t18820501-483

483. SAMUEL EMBRAY* (18) to stealing one locket, the goods and chattels of Dennis Culson Shepherd, from his person, and to a conviction of felony in December, 1879, at Clerkenwell.— Fifteen Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]And

Reference Number: t18820501-484

484. JOHN COCKLIN** (22) to stealing one watch, of Edward Stevens, from his person, and to a conviction of felony in April, 1878, at this Court.— Five Years' Penal Servitude. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

FOURTH COURT.—Tuesday, May 2nd, 1882.

before R. M. Kerr, Esq.

Reference Number: t18820501-485

485. JOHN EVANS (19) PLEADED GUILTY to a burglary in the dwelling-house of William Hayward, and stealing 16l.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

Reference Number: t18820501-486

486. JEREMIAH SULLIVAN (28) , Robbery with violence on Eliza Ann Baxter.

MR. SANDERS Prosecuted; MR. WILLES Defended.

LUCY DONOVAN . I live at 18, London Terrace, Commercial Road—at about 3.40 on 1st March I saw the prisoner run through London Terrace with a parcel under his coat—I heard all the children crying "Stop thief!"—I saw a lot of people standing by a butcher's shop near there, and I went up and saw that a lady had been taken in—I am sure the prisoner is the man I saw.

Cross-examined. I was about three yards from him—he was running towards me.

GEORGE FOSTER (Police Sergeant H). I apprehended the prisoner at about 7.30 p.m. on 2nd March, at the Nelson public-house, Commercial Road—he was speaking to the landlady, and I called him on one side, and told him I should take him into custody for stealing a bag and 5l. and other articles from a woman—he said, "All right; you must do your duty "—he said at the police station that his wife had summoned him for an assault on the afternoon of the 1st at the Thames Police Court, and that he afterwards went to the Mile-end Road, and four or five policemen could prove he was there at that time.

Cross-examined. The Thames Police Court is about half a mile from the place in question—I was directed by the Magistrate to make inquiries, and warned the officers to be here.

ELIZA BAXTER . I live at Stoke Newington—I am the wife of James

William Baxter—on 1st March, at about 3.45,1 was in the Commercial Road—I had a bag on my arm, and had been into a butcher's shop at the corner to make a purchase, and came out and just got round the corner when I felt some one rub my bag—before I could speak or look I was dragged up a passage by the prisoner, who tried to pull the bag from me—I did not see his face—I Know it was the prisoner, because 1 saw him at the Thames Police Court, and recognise his deportment and stature—he wrestled with me, and he kicked my ankle and threw me, and I lost possession of the bag—I had about 5l. in money in it, and my husband's life assurance—I have not seen it again—he then ran with all speed up the passage—I next saw the prisoner at the Thames Police Court on the Saturday after Good Friday, with about six others—I picked him out directly—my ankle was broken in two places.

Cross-examined. I could only see his back, but I watched it very closely.

WILLIAM THOMPSON (Policeman E 84). On 1st March I was in the Commercial Road, at the corner of the New Road, when I saw the prisoner standing at the corner of Cannon Street Row, at about 3.37, about eight yards from the butcher's shop—I have no doubt of him.

Cross-examined. I was about 14 yards from him on the opposite side—I saw him there about two or three minutes—I walked away, and about 10 minutes after I saw 17 H Reserve leading the prosecutrix up.

WILLIAM TUKE . I live at 33, James Street, Commercial Road—at about; 3.40 p.m. on 1st March I saw the prisoner standing outside the Mackworth Arms, where I am waterman—it is next door to the butcher's—I have seen him there several times and at other places—I know the time, because I was called in about that time to go for milk for the house—the barman called me in.

Cross-examined. Mr. Foster came—to me about giving evidence the second day after.

ALERED FELIX STEVENS . I am a doctor of medicine, of 23, High Street, Stoke Newington—on the evening of the 1st March I was called to examine the prosecutrix—one of her legs was broken at the ankle—she is still under my care.

Witnesses for the Defence.

ELLEN DONOVAN . I live at 3, Cornwall Street—the prisoner married my sister—on 1st March he was at the police court, his wife having summoned him—I was with his wife outside the Court—I cannot fix the time exactly—"the Court did not open till 2 o'clock—I saw the prisoner leave the Court, and we went through several turnings—I did not know where we were till we came to Stepney Green—I cannot Bay how far Stepney Green is from the place of the robbery—the prisoner then went towards Globe Bridge, when I lost sight of him—we got to Stepney Green between 3.45 and 3.40—I looked at the brewery clock, and I am quite sure of that.

Cross-examined, I walked behind the prisoner a little—I never lost sight of him—I don't know how long it would take to walk from Stepney Green to the place of the robbery—I don't know how far a mile is.

THOMAS FREEMAN (Policeman K 331). I saw the prisoner on 1st March at about 3 p.m. with two women—he came up to me and said his wife had summoned him and was following him about, and he wanted me to get rid of her—I said I saw nothing to call on me to interfere, and I

should have nothing to do with it—with that he went down by the side of the towing-path about 400 or 500 yards, and his wife and the other woman followed him—the tow-path is by the Globe Bridge—they returned with a mob following them—I followed them, and they got into the Bow Road—I went some distance, and then left them and went on with my beat—I went as far as the Bancroft Road, and at about 3.30 I saw the prisoner and his wife come back again by themselves—the Commercial Road is half a mile from the place of the robbery.

Cross-examined. They were walking very easily, and would not get to the Commercial Road in 10 minutes.

WILLIAM NICHOLLS (Policeman K 381). I saw the prisoner on 1st March, at about 3 p.m., at the corner of White Horse Lane, Mile-end Road—I should say that is a little over a quarter of a mile from the Globe Bridge—he was having an argument with two women—one was his wife, and she told me he had that day been bound over to keep the peace—they caused a mob to assemble, and I was obliged to disperse them, and they went over the other side of the road—the mob collected again, and then another constable came along—I then saw the prisoner at about 3.40 outside the Old Globe, right opposite where I saw him the last time—White Horse Lane is down the Mile-end Road—I have seen the prisoner before lots of times.

Cross-examined. I think it had turned the half-hour when I saw him last—I don't know how far Globe Bridge is from Morgan Street, the place of the robbery—it is not in our division—I have been in the division for seven years.

Re-examined. It was nearer 3.40 than 3.30 when I saw him.

ALFRED SMITH (Policeman K 270). I saw the prisoner close to White Horse Lane at about 3 p.m. on 1st March—he was with a very tall woman, his wife, and she complained to me with respect to his being bound over that day to keep the peace—I had no occasion to interfere, and I told her she had better walk on—I should say the Commercial Road is three quarters of a mile from where I saw the prisoner—I saw him again about 3.30 or 3.35, when he came back—I did not speak to him on that occasion—I had not known him before that day—I am convinced that the prisoner is the man I saw.

Cross-examined. When I last saw him he was going from Globe Bridge towards Stepney Green, not in the direction of the Commercial Road.


Reference Number: t18820501-487

487. CHARLES BATTERSBY (18), THOMAS BERRY (18), JAMES GRIFFIN (20), JOHN DALEY (19), and WILLIAM WOODS (20) , Assaulting Daniel O'Sullivan, a police-officer, in the execution of his duty.


MR. WILLES appeared for Griffin, and MR. KEITH FRITH for Batter shy and Woods.

DANIEL O'SULLIVAN (Policeman D 49). At 12 p.m. 11th March, I was on duty in William Street, Lisson Grove, with Police-constable Woodward, when I saw the prisoners and about eight others—they were quarreling and making use of most obscene and filthy language—I requested them several times to go away—the majority of them seemed inclined to do so, but Battersby said "F——you, you long s——, do you think I will go away for you?"—I again requested him to go away, and he would not do so, and made use of the same expressions—I took him by the collar,

and he struck me with something he held in his left hand; it glittered in the gaslight—it inflicted a wound near my left eye, causing the blood to flow freely and great pain—I was pounced upon by Berry and Woods—Berry caught hold of my cape and kicked me, and Woods caught me by my left leg and tried to throw me down, and struck me with his fiat on the neck—Woodward took Berry into custody—I extricated myself, and drew my truncheon and tried to use it as well as I could—I still had Battersby with my left hand—on looking round I saw Griffin and Daley with three or four others round Woodward, who had Berry—I saw them catch him by the legs and throw him down, and before I could render him any assistance they kicked him several times about the body—a shower of vegetables and bricks was thrown at me—I dragged Battersby with me, and struck two or three of those that I saw assault Woodward with my truncheon—on the way to the station Woods caught hold of Battersby again, and I struck him on the shoulder with my truncheon—some private individual went to the station and gave information—I knew all the prisoners for some time before—I have no doubt as to them.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. It was about 12 o'clock, and there was a considerable crowd—Battersby never offered to go quietly—I did not hear any cries of "Shame" against the police—I was struck on the breast with a brick—I know a knife was found on Battersby at the station, and that there was no blood on it—my wound was examined by the doctor, who said it was occasioned by a blunt instrument—Woods was dressed as he is now—he had on an old low felt hat—beyond that I can say no more—my attention was occupied in defending myself.

Cross-examined by Berry. You kicked me before the other constable arrived, who was 9 or 10 yards behind me.

Cross-examined by MR. WILLES. I saw Griffin amongst those surrounding Woodward—I kept Battersby at arm's length—I have not made any mistake as to identity through this case—no man was taken into custody who is not here now.

Re-examined. There was a warrant out against Woods for another assault on the police, and which is charged against him to-day.

By MR. FRITH. NO man was taken of the name of Williams for aiming a quart pot at me.

JOHN WOODWARD (Policeman D 193). On 11th March I was on duty with O'Sullivan in Lisson Grove, where I saw the prisoners and several others creating a disturbance—I saw O'Sullivan take Battersby, and ] saw Berry strike and kick him, and Woods tried to get Griffin and Battersby away—when I took Berry he kicked me, and Griffin and Daley came to me and tried to get Berry from me, and got hold of my legs and tried to throw me down—stones and bricks and vegetables and old boxes were thrown at us, and we had to fight our way down the street—on the 15th March, at 12.30,1 was in the Edgware Road, and saw Daley—I told him I had been looking for him, and he said "I will go with you"—at the station when the charge was read over he said "I will serve you worse next time. "

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. I was in Court at Marylebone when my fellow-constable gave evidence, but was not in this Court to-day—Woods was dressed as he is now, except that he had a hard old felt hat on; it had been worn perhaps six months—he had a scarf on, but no collar—I see he has it on now.

Cross-examined by Berry. You kicked me three or four times on the legs.

Cross-examined by MR. WILLES. I knew all the prisoners before quite well—I am certain Griffin was there.

Cross-examined by Daley. I saw you on the Monday, but did not take you because I had no warrant.

By MR. WILLES. I was kicked on the body and the back of the head—I did not show the bruises to the doctor, but to some of my fellow-constables.

JAMES JEAL . (Policeman D 134). On Monday, 13th March, at about 10.45, I was on duty near Lisson Grove, when I saw Griffin—I went up to him and said "I am going to take you into custody"—I had not time to tell him what for when he said "So help me God I was not there; I was at home about 11.30;" I said "I cannot help that, you will have to go to the station with me "—he said "Where is the warrant?" I said "You will see that at the station "—he said "I shan't go," and he made a wrench to get away—I called a constable from the opposite side, who assisted me with him to the station—he said he was at home and in bed at 11.30, and he should call witnesses to prove it.

BOBERT GENTRY (Policeman D 142). On Friday, 17th March, at 10.55, I was on duty in Bryanston Square, when Woods passed me—he held up his pocket-handkerchief to conceal his face—I held a warrant against him for an assault committed on me in Lisson Grove in 1881—I walked back after him, and he started running—I went after him and ran down George Street into Mare Street, about a quarter of a mile—he ran into No. 2, where the door was standing open—I got the assistance of another constable, and we found him under the bed in the front kitchen—it was not his house—I said "I have got you at last, Woods;" he said "You have got me innocent"—I said "I have not told you what I nave got you for yet;" he said "I expect for that job in William Street on Satur-day night "—I said "What job do you mean?" he said "Where those two policemen were knocked about"—I said "Yes, it is "—I took him to the station, and he made no answer to the charge.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. I do not know that he had been about the neighbourhood; I have been there numbers of times to look for him—I do not know that he was charged in connection with this case, and discharged because it was proved he was in Holloway Prison at the time—two men and a woman were charged with an assault on me in 1881; there was one discharged at this Court, and two convicted.

Re-examined. The third person would be Woods.

WILLIAM TANNER . I am a grocer, of 24, Great James Street, Marylebone—I was in the shop at about 11.40 on 11th March, when I saw a disturbance in William Street—I went to the door, and saw some 14 or 15 young men taking some oranges from a costermonger's barrow, and dividing them amongst themselves—they used obscene language—I saw O'Sullivan follow them, and Woodward came to his assistance—Woodward was thrown down and kicked—I saw Griffin there.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. I recognise the prisoners—there was a considerable crowd—Woods was in the crowd, perhaps 20 yards off—I cannot say how he was dressed—it was shutting-up time.

Cross-examined by MR. WILLES. Perhaps there were 50 people in the street, not 100—my shop is at the corner of William Street and James

Street—I saw the police draw their truncheons and fight their way down the street—the public and women about there hindered them—perhaps there were 70 or 100 people including the public—the women cried "Shame" against the police—nobody helped them—I knew Griffin by sight before—I have seen him about the neighbourhood—I next saw him in the dock at the police-court—I could not take notice as to how Griffin was dressed when I first saw him that night—O'Sullivan came to me about giving evidence.

CHARLES APPLEBY . I am a baker, of 20, Bridport Street, Marylebone—on the night in question I was coming through William Street when I saw a crowd and Battersby in the custody of O'Sullivan—I saw Battersby had something shining in his right hand—he made an attempt on the constable's eye—I ran to the station and gave information.

THOMAS CHARLES KIRBY . I am surgeon of the D Division—I saw O'Sullivan on the 12th March, who was suffering from a wound below the right eye—it must have been done with some blunt instrument, and with considerable violence—I probed it and found it superficial.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. I thought the instrument might be a closed knife—I did not see a knife at the station—I do not think the wound was inflicted with a flint or a fall on the kerb—there was not bruising enough for that—I hardly think it was done with a stick. Witnesses for the Defence of Griffin. MARY ANN METCALFE. I am Griffin's sister, and live at 33, Little North Street, Marylebone—I was with the prisoner and his father all the evening on 11th March from 8 o'clock—I met them in Chapel Street, and we were walking about Church Street and Edgware Road all the evening till 10.30 or 10.45, and at 11 o'clock we were home—he was taking off his boots to go to bed as I was standing at the room door with the baby in my arms—I left about 11.30 after talking with the landlady at the door—father was there too.

Cross-examined. I left him about 10.45 or 11 o'clock—I don't know what became of him after that—he was going to bed—I did not see him go to bed—father is hero—I was called as a witness before the Magistrate—I know it was 11.30 when I got home because my husband was waiting at the door for me.

THOMAS GRIFFIN . I am a labourer—I am the prisoner's father, and live at 19, Homer Street—on 11th March my son and I had been to work at Ealing—we came home together—we left Ealing about 12.45, and arrived home by the Great Western about 1.50—we went upstairs and had dinner, and after dinner we went out and returned home about 11 o'clock—we prepared to go to bed, and never went out till Sunday morning-my son slept in the same room with, me—the next morning the policeman came and told me my son was locked up—I have been fined for being drunk and disorderly once or twice.

Cross-examined, I have not been charged with assaults on the police, but have been charged with drops to drink about three times this forty years—I have been charged with assaulting my wife—I did not go to deep directly we went to bed. Re-examined. I gave evidence at the police-court, and my daughter.

BRIDGET MATON . I am the prisoners sister, and live at 18, Homer Street—my brother and father came home together on 11th March—I was in the shop, which my landlady keeps—that was about 10.45—they

opened the front door and went upstairs—I stopped in the shop till about 11.40, when I went upstairs—I saw nobody go out after that—I went to the police-court and gave evidence—I do not live in the same room as the prisoner and my father—my brother sleeps on the first floor and I upstairs—I have been charged with being drunk. Daley's Defence. I was not there and know nothing about it.

GUILTY .** The indictment further charged Woods with having been convicted of felony at this Court on the 31st July, 1877, to which he

PLEADED GUILTY.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour each.

OLD COURT.—Wednesday, May 3rd, 1882.

Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.

Reference Number: t18820501-488

488. SAMUEL ASHBY (67) , Feloniously sending to Wynne Edwin Baxter a letter threatening to kill and murder him.

MR. CRISFE Prosecuted;

MR. POYNTER Defended. After the case had been opened the prisoner stated that he desired to plead guilty, upon which the Jury found him GUILTY.— Judgment Respited.

Reference Number: t18820501-489

489. MICHAEL CAREY (19) and JAMES RYAN (19) were indicted for a rape on Jane Brown.

MESSRS. MONTAGU WILLIAMS and MEAD Prosecuted. GUILTY .— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

Reference Number: t18820501-490

490. ANNETTA KNIFTON (23) , Feloniously casting and throwing a corrosive fluid upon Emma Rose, with intent to burn and disfigure her. Second Count, with intent to do grievous bodily harm.

MR. WAITE Prosecuted.

EMMA ROSE . I live at 8, Howe Street, Kingsland Road—on 4th April I was in a tavern close by Hoxton Station with the prisoner and her husband—the prisoner gave her a husband a drink, and then stepped behind and picked up a glass and threw the contents over me, but it did not all go over me—it has not had any effect upon me; it did me no harm—I am not living with her husband now; I was then—I told her I did not want to give her in charge, but she ran after me and struck me, and her husband told me to give her in charge, and I did so for striking me and throwing vitriol over me.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You did not ask me to leave your husband two and a half years ago; you said you did not want him—when I first met him I did not know he was a married man, till about a fortnight after he came to live with me; that was a little over two years ago—he went back to you a week after you came to me.

By the Court. I was at this public-house with the prisoner, because she sent me round to his mother's place for him—she was with me the day before, and slept with me that night.

JAMES REYNARD . (Policeman H 329). On the evening of 4th April I saw the prisoner running after the prosecutrix, who said she had thrown some vitriol Over her—she gave her into custody—I asked her if she had a bottle about heir—she said "Yes"—she took it from her pocket and gave it to me—she said she was very glad the policeman came up as he did, or she would have done her more injury than she had done—I asked her whether it was vitriol she had thrown over her—she said it was.

THOMAS JACKMAN . I am a divisional surgeon of police—on 4th April

I saw the prosecutrix—she had patches of bruises upon her face, one on the forehead rather larger than the rest, about an inch in length and half an inch in breadth—the others were rather splashes, varying from the size of the head of a small pin, the others about three times that size, as if from some fluid, which was no doubt vitriol—a bottle was given to me which contained sulphuric acid or oil of vitriol—there were also splashes about the dress, corroded and burnt by the fluid—oil of vitriol would produce such marks—vitriol pure and simple would make a very severe burn—it might be diluted so as to produce a little inconvenience.

Prisoner's Defence. I did not do it with intent to do her grievous bodily harm or to burn her—I mixed it with beer to frighten her—she bad been living with my husband two years and a half, and I and my little child have been living on my parents—she has been to America with him, and only returned the week I did it.

EMMA ROSE (Re-examined). I did not go to America with him—I was in Liverpool when he went to America—1 went to Liverpool by myself—I saw him once there.


NEW COURT.—Wednesday, May 3rd, 1882.

Before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18820501-491

491. EMMA TURNER (30) PLEADED GUILTY to feloniously forging and uttering an order for the delivery of 14 yards of velvet— Six Months' Hard Labour. And

Reference Number: t18820501-492

492. CHARLES GROSSMEINER (36) to conspiring with other persons to obtain 72 half gross of stylus pens, six gross of tins of soup, and other articles.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

Reference Number: t18820501-493

493. JAMES HOWARD (26), CHARLES CECIL WATERS (22), and GEORGE SMITH (36) , Stealing 10 lb. of tobacco, and within six months 38 lb. of tobacco, the property of Foster's Parcels Express Company, the masters of Howard, to which HOWARD and WATERS PLEADED GUILTY .

MR. MORICE Prosecuted;

MR. PURCELL defended Smith.

DANIEL HALSE (city Detective). On 31st March I had Howard in custody on another charge—on April 5th I went to 191A Great College Street Camden Town, a small tobacconist's and newspaper shop kept by Smith and bought of Smith half an ounce of tobacco, for which I paid him twopence—I left the shop and returned shortly afterwards with Matthews and said "lama dectective of the City of London; I have two men in custody, Howard and Waters, for stealing parcels belonging to their employers; I have received information that about a fortnight back you purchased from Waters two rolls of black tobacco, for which you paid him 2s., and promised him 2s. more; and a night or so afterwards you purchased a small quantity of tobacco, consisting of brown twist, shag, and returns; that tobacco was stolen, and I want it"—he said "I have not got it here"—I said "Where is it?"—he said "Up at my other shop"—I pointed to three rolls of twist standing on the counter, and said "There is some of it"—he said "Yes"—I said "What did you pay for it?"—he said "He asked me 3l. or 3l. 10s., which I agreed to give; I gave him 10s. at the time, and promised to give him 10s. weekly till it was paid; he told me he was selling it for a man he did not know it was stolen. I never bought any before, and do not know the price of it "—I said, "You know the selling price; you

have just charged me two pence for half an ounce"—he said nothing—I took possession of the three rolls, and accompanied him to his other shop in Grange Road—his wife produced two parcels of tobacco and two rolls, one from the counter and one from the window, which have been identified—I said "Have you any invoice or any entry in your book respecting these transactions?"—he said "No"—I said "You have been purchasing this tobacco at less than the wholesale price, and I shall take you in custody for receiving it knowing it to be stolen"—on the way to the station he said "Waters told me he was selling it for a man who had failed in business"—I said "But you knew he was a carman "—ho said "Yes. "

Cross-examined. There was no concealment of the tobacco—when I said that I wanted it, he replied "I have not the bale here," not "I have not got it"—we did not find the bale, but the papers were there—I was informed yesterday. that a bag was in Court; I took possession of it—a canal runs at the back of the house, which is no doubt used for a great many purposes—Inspector Matthews said "What have you done with the papers and canvas?"—he said "I destroyed the papers, and the canvas I threw into the canal. "

EBENEZER MATTHEWS (Police Inspector L. & N. W. R.). I accompanied Halse to Smith's house, and corroborate what he has said—I said to Smith "Where is the wrapper that was round the tobacco?"—he said "I have thrown it into the canal"—I said "Where are the papers?"—he said "What, Hill's papers?"—I said "Yes"—he said "I have destroyed them"—Hill's name was on them—the bag has been found since.

BENJAMIN HARRISON . I am ware houseman to Mr. Hill, a tobacco manufacturer, of Shoreditch—on 2nd March I packed 10 lb. of Hanover roll, and sent it by the Foster Parcels Company to Fletcher, of Long Sutton—this (produced) is it—on March 24th I packed a bag of tobacco to go to Boss, by Foster's Company—this is it—the shag was wrapped in two 14 lb. parcels, and the rolls in paper, and then they were put in a canvas bag—the small rolls have a bar put across, and the other rolls have a cross on them—I have no doubt they are mine.

ALBERT WALLACE LLOYD . I am assistant manager to Foster's Parcels Express Company—we have a branch office in Shoreditch—on 22nd March I received a parcel addressed to Fletcher, of Long Sutton, value 2l. 3s. 10d.—I checked it into the van; the waybill has my initials-—Howard was the porter to load up—that parcel has not arrived at its destination, and I have had a claim made for the amount—on 24th March I had another parcel of tobacco going to Barnum, of Ross, which has not arrived, and I have had a claim sent in for 6l. 14s. 2d.

CHARLES CECIL WATERS (The prisoner). I have pleaded guilty to stealing this tobacco—James Howard gave me the rolls—after I left him I took my van home and called to see Smith in the evening—after I had done my work I had these two rolls in my handkerchief, and told him that Howard gave them to me—he asked what I was going to do with them—I said "To take them home"—he asked if I would sell them, and offered me 4s., 2s. down and 2s. the next week—I gave him the two rolls, and two or three days afterwards, directly I pulled up, Howard threw a truss of tobacco into the van, and said, "That is the tobacco"—I kept that behind—I took it to Smith in the evening, and told him I brought fit

from Howard, who told me to ask him if he would buy it for 8l.; he agreed to buy it, and promised to pay 10s. a week, as he had his own tobacco man to pay; he paid me 10s., which I kept for my trouble; on the Saturday morning I was taken in custody.

Cross-examined. I have been employed by MESSRS. Willing about three years—Smith was employed there also and knew me.

SMITH received a good character.— GUILTY.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury .— Twelve Months' Hard Labour, HOWARD and WATERS.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour each.

Reference Number: t18820501-494

494. ALFRED FERRIS (17) , Stealing two brooches and cases of Evan Ortner and another.

MR. WILLES Prosecuted; MR. FRITH Defended.

WILLIAM SCRIMSHIRE . I am in the employ of Evan Ortner and Henry Houle, jewellers, of St. James's Street—on the morning of 21st March the prisoner came in and asked for a watch-key, which I supplied; he then asked if his scarf-pin could be gilt—as he took it out I noticed that his hand was covered with jewellery, though it was early in the morning—I went round the counter and caught him with a case in his pocket with a diamond brooch in it value 150l., my employers' property—I told him to clear out of the shop or I would kick him out—he went out—I sent a porter after him, who brought him back, and I gave him in custody.

Cross-examined. He was standing exactly opposite me, and there was nothing to obstruct my view of what he was doing—I said "Let me feel if you have got anything more," and he voluntarily took out the diamond brooch from his right-hand coat pocket.

THOMAS HOPKINS . I am a fellow-assistant with the last witness—on 21st March I saw the prisoner in the shop, heard a conversation, and saw him put his hand in his right-hand pocket and put a velvet case on the counter—he left the shop, and the porter fetched him back.

BENJAMIN RYDER . I am silver polisher to MESSRS. Ortner and Houle—on 21st April I saw the prisoner come in, and afterwards heard Mr. Scrimshire say "What the devil are you doing?"—I turned round and saw a velvet case in his hand—Mr. Scrimshire let him go out and then sent me for him, and I found him two streets away and brought him back.

Cross-examined. He was standing still—he could not see me till I turned the corner.

GUILTY .— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour . There was another indictment against the prisoner.

Reference Number: t18820501-495

495. JOHN ROSE (19) and JOSEPH WILLIAM WATTS (20) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Joseph Warrell, with intent to steal.

MR. RAVEN Prosecuted.

JOSEPH WARRELL . I am a bootmaker, of 6, North Street, Chelsea—on the afternoon of Easter Monday I closed my shop between 3 and 4 p.m.—I sleep on the premises and my sister and two lodgers—I went out at 10.10 and left my sister in the kitchen, looked the door, and took the key with me—I returned about 10.55 and found the door shut—I received information, went to the station, and saw Rose there and charged him—nothing was lost.

Cross-examined by Watts. I left the street-door closed and found it wide open, but that has nothing to do with the shop.

MARY ANN BONE . I am a widow, and sister of the last witness—on Easter Monday I was washing in the kitchen at 10.10, and heard a kicking on the grating which is in the street over the kitchen window, and fancied I heard steps in the passage—I went upstairs and could see the feet of two men moving as if going into the shop—I rushed forward to the back room, and the prisoners rushed out of the shop about two yards before me and out at the door—I followed them down the street calling "Stop thief "—I did not see them stopped, as I had to go back, having left the street-door open—a pane of glass had been broken some time, and they had put their hands through and reached the key in the door, which made me go up.

CHARLES HART . I am a porter at Cadogan Mansions, Sloane Square—I saw Mrs. Bone run out calling "Stop thief," and saw two men running—I ran after them three-quarters of a mile, and caught Rose at the corner of Belgrave Square and handed him to a constable—he said that he was running after the other man.

JOHN INGRAM (Policeman B 256). I received Rose from Hart in Belgrave Square—he said nothing.

JOSEPH SHEPHERD (Policeman B 21). I received Rose from Ingram—on the way to the cells he said "I should not have done it only he (Watts) opened the door himself, but he took nothing "-Watts was not there—I went to 41, Seaton Street, Chelsea, and saw Watts in a bedroom, and said that I should take him for burglary—he said "I suppose Rose rounded; I will make a clean breast of it; I will see that he gets as much as I do "—I went to 6, North Street—the door had been opened by poking out a pane of glass and turning the key inside.

The Prisoners' Statements before the Magistrate. Watts says: "We have no witnesses to call, but all I know is what we were doing; we were both dancing on the grating of the kitchen window. We heard footsteps in the passage; we did not look to see who it was; we ran away." Rose says: "That is all we were doing, dancing on the pavement. We heard some one coming and ran away.

Watts repeated the same statement as his defence.

MARY ANN BONE (Re-examined). They got in at the front shop door next to the street—I went up previously when there was a row in the street and found it fastened; I found it unfastened when I saw them in the passage.

GUILTY .— Four Months' Hard Labour each.

THIRD COURT.—Wednesday, May 3rd, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

Reference Number: t18820501-496

496. HENRY WILLIAMS (32) and WILLIAM PHILLIPS (46) , Breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Leon Delaveaux, and stealing 60 pieces of lawn, his property.

MR. FORSTER REID Prosecuted.

HENRY POTTINGER (Policeman G 62). On Saturday, 15th April, I was in the City Road about 8 a.m.—I saw the prisoners go into a coffee-house—Williams brought a parcel out and put it in a cab; Phillips brought out three more and put them in the cab—I said to Phillips "What do

the parcels contain?"—he said "Muslin "—I said "Where did you get them from?"—he said "From a warehouse in the City"—I said "Where are you going to take them to?"—he said "To be manufactured "—I said "I am not satisfied with your account; I shall want you to go to the station and see the inspector "—Williams was then in the cab, a four-wheeler; he opened the off side door, jumped out, and ran down the City Road—I pursued him, leaving Phillips in charge of G 63—the chase was taken up by Thompson, and Williams was caught in Featherstone Street, about 400 yards from where we started—we took him back to the cab and then to the station—I searched him; I found a knife on him.

HENRY HOPEWELL (Policeman G 63). I was called by Pottinger—I saw Williams inside the cab with three parcels—Phillips was standing outside with three other parcels—I asked Phillips "Where did you get these parcels from?"—he said "From the City warehouse"—I said "There are no City warehouses open at this time in the morning I should think"—he said "I got them from a friend"—I said "Who is your friend?"—he did not answer—I said "What is it for?"—he said "To make artificial flowers with"—I said "I cannot take your statement; I you will have to go to the station "—Williams opened the off side door of the cab, got out, and ran away—he was pursued by Pottinger—I retained Phillips, and afterwards conveyed him to the station in a cab—I asked him "Where do you live?"—he said "I refuse to give my address"—I searched him and found a key and 1s. 10d.

HUGH THOMPSON (Policeman G R 14). I was in the City Boad, and saw Williams open the door of a four-wheeled cab and jump out—he ran towards me—I pursued him; after a chase of 350 yards I caught him in Featherstone Street—I said "What are you running so sharp for?" he said "To get out of trouble"—I took him back to where the cab stood and gave instructions to Pottinger and Hopewell—I charged Williams with unlawful possession; he said "Phillips gave it to me in the City Boad to carry, and promised me the price of a drop of beer for it, that is all I know about it"—he refused to give his address when charged.

JUSTIN POMMERAT (Interpreted). I am. an artificial leaf maker, employed by my brother, Mr. Delaveaux, 2, Moor Lane, Thames Street—on the evening of 14th April I closed up the premises, locking the door at 8.30 p.m.—I put up the bar outside for better security, and fixed a padlock on it—next morning, about 8 o'clock, I found the padlock had gone—this is the bar (produced)—I found the door only shut, not locked, and three parcels which had been brought there the night before, and were standing upright, were lying down—I also found a parcel of-silk which had been placed on one of the shelves lying on the three parcels—I have since found that things are missing—I saw Williams the night before, walking up and down outside the premises about 4 o'clock—two persons came one after the other, and spoke to him—I cannot identify Phillips—the man I saw had a beard, more greyish than this man—I observed Williams for about half an hour, but I had my work to attend to.

Cross-examined by Williams. It is a public thoroughfare—people were passing, but not walking up and down.

ERNEST ARET . I am manager to Mr. Leon Delaveaux—I have

examined the parcels; they contain Victoria lawn; that is the name of the muslin—they are our goods—there are 60 pieces—the value is about 18l.—I last saw them on 14th April, about 8 p.m.—the prisoners were not employed there—I also missed some sateen and 80 gross of leaves on the next morning—they were safe the night before—I discovered the oss of one of the parcels of leaves about 11 a.m., and the others in the afternoon—the box produced is like those of our maker, but we have no mark on it—the leaf produced is the same pattern as those stolen.

WILLIAM WRIGHT (City Detective Officer). On 15th April I examined these premises, 2, Moor Lane, about 9 a.m., with Latter—I found marks on the bar and on the door, as if the padlock had been wrenched off by a jemmy—the box appeared to have been unlocked by a key; it was not damaged at all; it was a double spring lock, and makes double fastening—I saw the prisoners in custody at Worship Street—I charged them with breaking and entering this warehouse—Williams said "I cannot help what you charge me with;" Phillips made no reply—they refused their addresses.

SARAH SEALEY . I am a widow, of 36, Buckland Street, New North Road—I know Phillips as Aughton—he took a room in my house for about a twelvemonth, and was there when taken into custody on 14th or 15th April—his wife lived with him—he paid 4s., a week.

EDWARD LATTER (City Detective Officer). I went with Sergeant Reynolds to 36, Buckland Street, and searched Phillips's room, which was pointed out to me by Sealey—I found in the cupboard this rope ladder and this hook, which are used for climbing walls, also this dark lantern and this leaf, which is of a similar pattern to the prosecutor's—I also found this box and set of shoe-brushes, these six small-tooth combs, and this shaving-brush, all new.

HENRY GOODWIN (City Policeman 146). On the morning of 15th April I was on duty in Sydney Avenue—about six o'clock I saw two men standing at the corner, about six or seven yards from 2, Moor Lane—I afterwards saw the prisoners in custody, and I recognised Phillips—I believe Williams to be the other one, but I am not positive—the warehouse was all right when I passed at 5.30 a.m., and the padlock was on the door quite safe.

In his defence Williams stated that Phillips asked him to carry a parcel, and he got a cab, which putted up at a coffee-house to get the parcel, but after hearing what passed while he was in the cab lie thought all was not right, and made off. Phillips said he met a commercial traveller in the City who he had known before, who asked him to carry the parcels, but as the string broke, he left them in the coffee-house while he got a cab, and asked Williams to assist him.

GUILTY of receiving. WILLIAMS— Five Years' Penal Servitude . PHILLLPS— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

Reference Number: t18820501-497

497. THOMAS WILLIAM WARD (34) , Forging and uttering an acceptance to a bill of exchange for 50l. with intent to defraud.

MR. WILLES Prosecuted.

GEORGE KIRBY . I keep a private lodging-house at 34, Surrey Street, Strand—Ward produced this bill of exchange to me about the middle of February last for 50l., dated 15th February, 1881—he asked me to

discount it—he said "I want cash for this, it is my father's acceptance "—the acceptance was on it—I paid him 47l. 10s. and kept the bill—he called upon me a day or two before the bill became due, and said he I did not want his father to be annoyed, would I hold it over, and I held it over from 18th July till 20th January, 1882, as endorsed on the bill—he did not keep his word, and I presented the bill to his father, who repudiated it—I then applied for a warrant.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You did not tell me a friend of your father had got him to put his name to the bill—you said you had worked in the Camberwell Road, and haying seen you before I took your word—I wrote you the letter produced. (This stated: "Let the bill remain.") I do not recollect what I said to you, and had no idea I had written that note till you showed it to me—I wrote you this letter. (Threatening take proceedings if he did not pay.) THOMAS JOHN WARD. I am a butcher, of 7, St Mark's Road, Camberwell—the prisoner is my son—the acceptance on this bill is not my writing—it looks like my son's writing—the whole of it is the same. writing—I knew a Mr. Ashton, but he never came inside my shop—I never authorised my son nor anybody to accept that bill-—I have never accepted bills for my son.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I have known Mr. Ashton before you were a child—he never asked me to put my acceptance to that bill—I never signed it, boy—I never said I could lend 50 times as much only your mother would not allow me—I never had coffee with Mr. Ashton.

Re-examined. The prisoner's mother is alive—Mr. Ashton was a jobber in the poultry market—I never had business transactions with him—I never signed or gave him a bill of any description—he died two years ago. The Prisoner. He has been dead about six months.

THOMAS PARTRIDGE (Detective JE ). I took the prisoner into custody on 19th April on a warrant—I told him "I have a warrant for your arrest for obtaining 47l. 10s. from a gentleman of the name of Kirby, of Surrey Street, Strand, by means of a forged bill of acceptance;" he said "I gave the bill to a man named Ashton to take to my father to sign; he brought it back, and said it was all right, that my father had accepted it, and I did not know there was anything wrong "—I said "Do you know where the man Ashton is now?" he said "I believe he is dead "—I have inquired; his father told me he had been dead two years.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You were detained at the station, but not charged, when I took you into custody.

The prisoner's defence was that being on bad terms with his father and mother, Mr. Ashton had got the bill accepted for him, and he did not know anything was wrong.

GUILTY of uttering.—Nine Months' Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Thursday, May 4th, 1882.

Before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18820501-498

498. CHARLES JOSEPH CROWE (24) and JOHN LAZENBY BOSISTO (33) , Embezzling 10l. 6s. 3d., 37l. 3s. 9d., and 21l. 17s. 6d., of Isaacs and another, their masters, to which CROWE PLEADED GUILTY .

MESSRS. BESLEY and FULTON Prosecuted; MR. GBOOHEGAN defended Bosisto.

CHARLES JOSEPH CROWE (the prisoner). I was in the employ of MESSRS. Isaac and Son about nine years—Bosisto was in their service about two years—I have pleaded guilty to this charge—this is my signature to this receipt for 10l. 6s. 3d. from Mr. Cecil of the Commercial Road—I received it from him on the date which is on the stamp—it was not part of my duty to collect it—Bosisto's writing is on the top of the invoice—he gave me the amount, and asked me to collect it—he said he had not put it in the balance-sheet, and we ought to have it; and he could enter it in the ledger and put paid to it—I went to Mr. Cecil and received it, and we divided the amount between us—this invoice of 8th January, 37l. 3s. 9d. due from Mr. Raymott, is in Bosisto's writing; it was sent out on the Saturday—I received the cash from Mr. Raymott, and we divided it between us—I also received this 21l. 17s. 6d. on 1st February in cash from Phoebe Levey; this is my receipt—I always brought the money back to the office, and it was fairly divided.

Cross-examined. Bosisto gave me the accounts to post in an envelope every week; they were not given to me to take out—the cashier kept a rough cash-book at the office in Fenchurch Street, and I used to take it to the office in Tooley Street every day and bring it back again—there is a potato business there and a fruit business—I sometimes took the cashbook to Tooley Street, and sometimes the boy; Sometimes a man—Tooley Street is only for the potato trade—if a collector came with money he would pay at Monument Yard—if the collector called when the cashbook was at Tooley Street, he would simply give the money to the cashier, and when the cash-book came back he would enter it and take the items from the rough book and enter them, because there were three books kept for the potato trade, cash-book, ledger, and journal—I was discharged because I opened a letter by mistake which came to Monument Yard; it had been lying face downwards all day, and I took it to the housekeeper—I was away for about three minutes and then went back—I owe Bosisto about 30s.—I lodged at his house; his wife has sent me a letter or two about it—I did not tell her that I could not pay her because I had lost money on the turf; I won't swear that I did not bet, but not to my knowledge—I do bet on the turf; I meant that I did not tell Mrs. Bosisto so—I am 24 years old and unmarried—I betted when I was in Mr. Isaacs' service—I go to music halls about twice a year, not every week—my salary was 1l. a week when I was arrested—I paid these amounts to Bosisto in the office in January and February, 1881. Re-examined. Mr. Isaacs removed from 60, Fenchurch Street to No. 210—we were not very long there—we then went to Monument Yard—. I had nothing to do with Tooley Street except carrying the book over—Bosisto was employed at Fenchurch Street and at Monument Yard—he was not ledger keeper at first; he was afterwards—I stole these three sums while he was ledger keeper—I accidentally opened the letter about four or five months ago; it was long after I had taken these sums—I was away from his service five months, and when I came back Bosisto was still there—I had been travelling in the interval, and when I came back they took me back—Bosisto knew that I was betting; he and I went to Gracechurch Street every day and put our money on horses in a public-house, and I think on one occasion he went with me to a music hall; we did not go once a week—I went to live with Bosisto about a week before I left the service, and I owed about 30s. when I left; I paid up some—I have seen nothing of them since—I have not lodged with him since.

HENRY MICHAEL ISAACS . I am in partnership with my son and my uncle, my brother is the cashier—this entry in the ledger and this invoice of Cecil's in November are in Bosisto's writing—the credit is entered in the ledger "November 10th, by cash 10l. Gs. 3d. "—that is a corresponding date to the receipt by Crowe; no page is referred to—there is a blot over the folio column, and you cannot trace the number—I have not received that amount; it has not been paid to the credit of the firm—this entry would prevent the account being sent in again—it was not proper under any circumstances to make a direct entry of cash received in the ledger without passing the amount through the cash-book—Raymott's account, 37l. 3s. 9d. is in Bosisto's writing—the entry in the ledger is "January 21st, 1881, by cash 87l. 3s. 9d. "—there is no folio—that money has not got to the firm's possession—Mrs. Levey's account is entered in the ledger "February 8th, 1881, by cheque 21l. 17s. 6d." in Bosisto's writing—Crowe's receipt for that sum is on 1st February, although it is entered on the 8th—there is no folio—the money has not come into the firm's possession.

Cross-examined. Mr. Alexander is our authorised collector—accounts have not been entered in the cash-book first to my knowledge—the petty cash-book goes to Tooley Street to be entered up generally about 11 a.m.—if an account is paid while it was away, the ledger keeper would wait till it came back—I am not there all day; I do not know what my clerks do behind my back—it was only once that I complained of Crowe opening a letter.

ALBERT ISAACS . I am a brother of the last witness, and am cashier to the firm; I keep the cash book—this is a copy of the rough cash-book, which is not here—the entries are subsequently posted into the ledger by the ledger clerk day by day from this book—there is no entry here of 10l. 6s. 3d. paid by Mr. Cecil on 10th March, 1880, nor of 37l. ✗ Mr. Raymott on 21st January, 1881, nor of 21l. 17s. 6d. by Mrs. Levey on 1st February, 1881; nor is it entered on February 8th.

Cross-examined. Money used to be paid into the office sometimes, pickle cash, fruit cash, and potato cash—people would pay me if I was there; if not one of the clerks would bring it to me, and the receipt would be given—Bosisto might take the money in my absence, but he has not done it to my knowledge—we have more than five or six clerks—it would be most improper to post up the ledger by calling out the amounts simply; it has never been done to my knowledge.

Re-examined. I am very rarely out—Bosisto had a right to give a receipt, but he would have to take an acknowledgment from me, and see it entered in the cash-book—I have been absent for two months, and then a clerk would take my place; but when I am attending regularly I am not absent six times in a year.

JAMES RAYMOTT . On 21st January I paid Crowe 37l. 3s. 9d. in cash—this is his receipt.

PHOEBE LEVEY . On 1st February I paid Crowe 21l. 17s. 6d. in cash.

BOSISTO received a good character.

GUILTY .— Fifteen Months' Hard Labour.

CROWE was recommended to mercy by the Prosecution.— Discharged on his own recognisances.

Reference Number: t18820501-499

499. HERBERT MILWARD (40) and DAYID EADIE (22) , Unlawfully attempting to commit—Second Count for an indecent assault.

MR. BESLEY Prosecuted.

GUILTY on Second Count .— Twelve Months' Hard Labour each .

Reference Number: t18820501-500

500. WILLIAM BATTY (23) , Stealing a box and 8 lb. of macaroni of Charles Edward Fardell, his master.

MR. GRIFFITHS Prosecuted.

CHARLES EDWARD FARDELL . I am a master carman, of Union Road, Tower Hill—the prisoner was in my employ two or three months—on 25th March I sent him to the Docks to get 415 boxes of macaroni—I saw him on Tower Hill, and sent him to Seething Lane to unload the goods—he had a cart-note—he brought home a receipt for 415 boxes—this (produced) is one of them; it is worth 12s. or 14s.—it was his duty to count the boxes when he delivered them, and to see that they were all unpacked.

JOHN ILLIDGE . I am a porter at the London Docks—on 25th March I delivered to the prisoner 415 boxes of macaroni on one of Mr. Fardell's vans, and gave him a cart-note to deliver to the consignees and this passnote for the gate.

HENRY PATRICK . I am warehouseman to Mr. Fergusson, of Seething Lane—on-27th March' the prisoner brought me some boxes of macaroni—I did not count them, and I told him so—I signed the cart note and gave it back to him—I locked the boxes up and kept the key—I counted them next morning, and there were only 414.

JOHN JONES (Policeman). On 27th March I was on duty in Seething Lane, and saw the prisoner with two vans unloading at Mr. Fergusson's place—one had been unloaded, but this box was left in it partly covered by his coat—he finished unloading the other, and then covered the box up completely with his coat, so that no one could see it, and led his horse towards Tower Hill—when he had got about 100 yards I stopped him, and said "How do you account for having that box on your trolly?"—he said "I was not aware it was there "—I said "You must know it was there because I saw you cover it up just before you started"—he said again "I did not know it was there "—I took him to the station—there was a tarpaulin in the van, but not near the box.

Prisoner's Defence. Half a dozen boys belonging to the firm helped me unload the two trollies, and I left them to finish one while I went on with the other. I left my coat on the trolly, and the boys were shifting it about—I was quite ignorant of the box being on the trolly.


He then PLEADED GUILTY** to a conviction at this Court in January, 1878.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.—Thursday and Friday, May 4th and 5th, 1882.

Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.

Reference Number: t18820501-501

501. FREDERICK GEORGE (66), Feloniously forging and uttering a tranfer of 100l. in the Consolidated Three per Cent. Annuities. Other Counts for personating the owner of the said.


HERBERT BARKER FITCOCK . I am a clerk in the Consols Transfer Office of the Bank of England — I have here the transfer book that was in use on 30th August, 1878; it shows that 172l. 3s. 10d. in Consols was standing in the name of Robert Bland Goodrich, of 19, Southampton Street, Camber-

well—on 30th August Mr. Frederick Wilson, a stockbroker, attended at the office as identifying broker, accompanied by a person representing himself as the stockholder—the transfer was executed in the ordinary way—this produced is it (This was signed A. B. Goodrich, witnessed by H. Fitcock, and by F. W. Wilson as witness to the identity of Goodrich,

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not know the stockholder; I knew no one but the broker.

FREDERICK WILLIAM WILSON . I am a stockbroker, of 2, Copthall Court, Throgmorton Street—on 30th August, 1878, the prisoner brought me this letter of introduction. (Read: "July 17, 1878. Dear Sir,—The bearer, Mr. R. B. Goodrich, wishes to sell some stock; will you please render him your services in doing so, and favour yours truly,—C. W. Havers. Winsley Street, Oxford Street,"). I knew a Mr. Havers—I had done some stock-broking business for him, and in consequence of that I took that letter as a sufficient introduction—the prisoner said he wanted to sell 100l. Consols—I have no recollection of his saying what the total amount was—he would wait at my office while I went to the Bank and gave instructions for the transfer to be prepared—I then went with the prisoner to the Bank and identified him—it is necessary that the stockbroker should identify the holder of the stock—the prisoner signed the transfer as B. B. Goodrich, and I witnessed it in the ordinary way—I recognised him, relying on this letter—he had given me the necessary particulars for me to have the transfer made—I then drew this cheque for 94l. 7s. 6d. payable to Mr. R. B. Goodrich; that would be for the proceeds, less the commission—it is an open cheque payable to order—I gave it to the prisoner—I have no recollection whether he endorsed it—he left, and took the cheque with him—he afterwards called, on me again; I cannot recollect when that was; he asked me to sell some further stock—I declined to act for him—I have no recollection whether the amount was mentioned—some time in March this year I was requested to go to the Bank about this transfer, and I gave a description of the prisoner—some days after I was in Gresham Street with Sergeant Webb and saw the prisoner in the street coming along—I recognised him; there was a slight alteration in the tinge of his beard; it was yellow or sandy—when I knew him I should say it was iron grey to the best of my recollection—I recognised him and spoke to Webb, who took him into custody—I gave a description of the person for whom I acted, and the prisoner corresponded with that description.

Cross-examined. I first heard that there was something wrong with the transfer when I received a letter from the Bank, in March this year—I then gave a general description as to your height age, &c.—I can't tell the exact words I mentioned—the height I should say was about 5 foot 10 inches, and the age over 60—it was not taken down in writing that I know of—I gave it to the chief accountant—I never went to MESSRS. Pearce's to inquire after you—I heard that you were in' an office in Basinghall Street—I don't remember the name of Beard being mentioned—the only time I watched for you was the day you were arrested—Webb was there with me, and Mr. Bovill, clerk to MESSRS. Freshfield's, was in the vicinity with Mr. Wright; there was no one else there—one of Sergeant Webb's men said you were coming; I was looking out for you—I did not recognise your face till you came close to me; I met you and let you pass me—I know Mr. Havers'

handwriting—this compares with signatures I have seen before—I certainly thought it was his handwriting—I had seen you before that day, when you attended at the Bank with Mrs. Havers, when she made a transfer—you attended apparently in the position of a solicitor's clerk—I took you to be Pearce's clerk—when you came to me on 30th August I recognised you as the person who attended at the Bank with Mrs. Havers—it did not strike me as strange that Mr. Havers should recommend Pearce's clerk to me to sell stock—it is very common for lawyers' clerks to possess stock—I don't know the exact date when you came the second time to sell stock—I refused to sell that because there had been a dispute in the trust, and legal proceedings were pending, and I preferred not to act—I had not had many transactions with Mr. Havers; he was a client of my father's—I don't know when he became so—my father died in 1876—1 had one or two transactions with Mr. Havers after my father's death—your attendance with Mrs. Havers was at the latter part of 1877; I don t remember your coming to the office, I only remember you at the Bank; your name was not mentioned to me at that time—when I recognised you on 14th March I addressed you as Mr. Goodrich—I had then been informed that your name was George—you did not seem to recognise the name of Goodrich; I mentioned your calling on me with reference to Consols; you did not seem to recognise anything at all about it.

MARY ANN HAVERS . I am the wife of Charles William Havers, of 3, Charles Street, Soho—I know the prisoner—on 27th or 28th December, 1877,1 accompanied him to the Bank and transferred some stock—he went with me by appointment; he was not a friend, he was acting for MESSRS. Pearce—Mr. Wilson went with us to identify me; I sold through him—my husband was a client of MESSRS. Pearce—we lived in Winsley Street for live or six years—we left it in 1876 as a residence, as a house of business in 1877—we left it entirely in December, 1877; about the same time that 1 went with him to the Bank—I believe the prisoner knew our London address, Howland Street; I don't know that he did—MESSRS. Pearce would have the address—I had seen the prisoner at Winsley Street a number of times—in July, 1878, my husband was residing in the Marine Parade, Brighton, from the 17th to the 23rd—he had been there seven months; he is an invalid—this letter of 17th July, 1878, dated from Winsley Street, was not written by my husband—he was at Brighton till 27th July—lie did not then come back to Winsley Street—he went to our London residence, which at that time was 78, Charles Street, Soho Square—I don't remember seeing the prisoner between December and July—my husband is suffering from paralysis; he is perfectly helpless and unable to appear; he cannot be moved.

Cross-examined. The transfer in 1877 was about some India stock—it was a power of attorney executed by Mr. Hope in Mr. Havers' favour—I attended because Mr. Havers could not—I was not very long at Mr. Wilson's office—we found that the dividends on the stock had been already received by my husband's co-trustee—I don't remember addressing you as Mr. George—I don't know whether you were aware of our removal to Charles Street—you knew of our removal from Winsley Street in 1878—I don't remember your ever coming to Charles street—I 'don't think that Mr. Wilson knew we had removed from Winsley Street—he had not done any business for my husband since December, 1877.

Re-examined. I have given him sums of money at various times to urge him on in my husband's interests—to get him to expedite the business.

RICHARD AUGUSTUS HARRISON . I am a clerk in the Consols Transfer Office at the Bank of England—I have my transfer-book-here—on 22nd May, 1879, a sum of 72l. 3s. 10d., the residue of a larger sum of 172l. 3s. 10d., was standing in the books in the name of Robert Bland Goodrich, of 19, Southampton Street, Camber well, gentleman—on that day Mr. Herbert Wright, a stockbroker's clerk, acted for Mr. Newman as identifying broker, to identify Goodrich as the transferrer—I witnessed the signature, and identified Goodrich—the transfer was to Mr. George Hayes Wright—some person signed the name of Goodrich—this is the transfer—I did not know the holder of the stock, I only knew the broker in the transaction—I witness a great many transfers.

HERBERT GEORGE WEIGHT . I do business on the Stock Exchange—I am not a broker—I was formerly clerk to Mr. J. C. Newman, stockbroker, of Throgmorton Street—on 22nd May, 1879, I remember a person calling on Mr. Newman, representing himself to be Mr. Goodrich, to sell some stock—I can't say that he brought a written introduction; he said that he was introduced by Mr. Robert Strong, of Finchley and Long Acre, a client of Mr. Newman's—in consequence of that I undertook the business for him—he wanted to sell 72l. 9s. 10d. Consols—I gave instructions to the Bank for the transfer to be prepared—I went with the person to the Bank—he gave me the full particulars, the name and address and the amount of the stock—I introduced him at the Bank—he signed the transfer-book, and I witnessed it—this cheque for 71l. 2s. 2d. is Mr. Newman's cheque; that was the amount less the commission; it is payable to R. B. Goodrich; it was crossed, but made open by being initialled by Mr. Newman, and marking it "Cash"—that was done at the time—it is endorsed "R. B. Goodrich"—I had never seen that person before to my knowledge—on 14th March I was in Gresham Street when the prisoner was apprehended—I recognised him as having seen him before, but I was not able to call to mind when or where.

Cross-examined. Mr. Bovill was with me on 14th March, no one else was with me—Mr. Wilson was there and Sergeant Webb—I was not informed that you were coming—I saw you come round the corner of the street, and I saw Mr. Wilson go up and speak to you, and I crossed over and came close to you—no description was given to me—I stated before the Magistrate that my impression was that it was a short elderly man that made the transfer—that is still my impression—I have no remembrance whether the person wore glasses or not—I can't tell whether this is a disguised hand.

Re-examined. I also said before the Magistrate that the prisoner was just the sort of man I expected to see—I cannot swear to him, but I believe he is the man.

JOHN CAMP NEWMAN . I am a stockbroker—I had a client named Richard Strong, of Finchley and Long Acre—I remember a person coming to me represented as Goodrich as introduced by Mr. Strong—Wright attended to the transaction—I did not go to the Bank myself—I signed the cheque, and altered it from a crossed cheque to an open one; they must have asked me to do so—I have no recollection of the person; I don't think I saw him.

RICHARD STRONG . I am a carriage builder, of 29, Long Acre; I live

at Finchley—I have known the prisoner many years; he has assisted me in transfers and purchasing land and houses—Mr. Newman was my stockbroker—I never gave the prisoner authority to use my name to Mr. Newman—I do not know any person named Robert Bland Goodrich—I never heard of such a person till this inquiry—I saw the prisoner at Mr. Beard's office shortly before he was taken into custody—I had not seen him since 12 months before—I fancied there was a little change in his appearance; his beard was a little more red, it used to be iron grey.

Crow-examined. I have known you quite 15 years—I think I should know your handwriting—(Looking at the transfer-books) I do not identify this as your writing—I should not consider it yours, as far as my judgment goes—I do not recognise either of them, nor the writing of this letter, or the dividend warrants—I believe you have several times been weakened by illness—in 1871 you were so ill you could not attend to business—you did business for me during 1878 and 1879—I observed nothing to indicate a weight on your mind—I should never have supposed you guilty of dishonesty.

Re-examined. I have seen him write several times; it is perhaps two or three years since—I have never seen these signatures before to-day.

EDWARD CONSTANTINE . I am a cashier at Glyn,. Mills, & Co.'s—on 30th August, 1878, a cheque for 94l. 7s. 6d. was paid across the counter, but not by me—the clerk who paid it has left; I believe he is at Brophin, in Herts—this a book kept in the ordinary course of the bank business—it is called "the paid counter book"—it is the duty of the clerk paying the cheque to enter it in this book, and the mode in which the payment is made.

HENRY WILLIAM NOAKES . I am paying cashier at the London Joint Stock Bank—on 22nd May, 1879, Mr. Newman had an account at our bank—I cashed this cheque for 71l. 2s. 2d. across the counter—the entry in this book is in my own handwriting—I entered here the numbers of the notes that I paid; they are seven 10l. Bank of England notes, Nos. 69670 to 69676 inclusive, all dated 5th October, 1878.

Cross-examined. I am a pretty good judge of handwriting—I cannot give an opinion whether these signatures to the transfers are in a disguised hand—there is a want of freedom about them which is rather in favour of their being disguised—I think all the signatures were written by the same person—I have never seen these signatures till now.

MARTHA BLAND GOODRICH . I live at 19, Southampton Road, Haverstock Hill—I never lived at 19, Southampton Street, Camberwell; I do not know that address at all—I have a brother named Robert Bland Goodrich—he went to Australia about 1872—he has remained there ever since—I have kept up a correspondence with him, and have received letters from him occasionally—he was 28 or 29 years old on the 11th of this March—I received letters from him with reference to this stock that he was entitled to—I know the prisoner as a clerk to Pearce and Sons, who had charge of the Chancery suit of Langham v. Reynolds, which was an administration suit—I saw him from time to time in March 12 months—I told him I had heard from my brother, and he was pressing for the money, that he ought to have received the power of attorney at the same time I did—he said that he had not received the letter with the power, but would I call a few days later on—I afterwards called at Mr. Pearce's office; I received a letter from MESSRS. Pearce asking me to call to

identify my brother's signature, which I did, and signed my name—I saw the prisoner on that occasion; he showed me the power of attorney that had been received from my brother for MESSRS. Pearce to receive his money—he said there had been other powers, but there had been something wrong in each of them, which accounted for the delay—he said this power was quite right, and he promised it should be sent off by the next mail—I then left, thinking it was all right—I afterwards heard from my brother that he had not received the money—the signatures to these transfers are not my brother's writing, not at all like it; I say the same as to the signatures to the three dividend warrants—these three letters marked K, L, and M are my brother's genuine letters, with his signature to them.

Cross-examined. I don't think there is any attempt to imitate my brother's hard writing; it is not at all like his—you told me that the power that came over in March, 1881, would be all right, and the money should be sent out by the next mail—there was no power subsequent to that that I know of.

WALTER JAMES WESTCOTT BEARD . I am a solicitor at 10, Basinghall Street—the prisoner came into my service as clerk at the latter end of last year, from MESSRS. Pearce—he had a room to himself in our office-after his arrest I found this bundle of papers in one of the drawers of his desk and in some pigeon-holes, relating to the suit of Langham #. Reynolds.

Cross-examined. They were not secreted at all; anybody might see them—MESSRS. Pearce gave you an excellent reference—your conduct bore it out; we had no reason to believe the contrary—there was nothing in your conduct to induce me to suppose that you had a heavy weight on your mind—you conducted our business in a regular way; we had no fault to find with you.

Re-examined. The suit of Langham v. Reynolds had nothing to do with our business.

JAMES HORNE PEARCE . I am a solicitor, in partnership with my father and brother, at 8, Giltspur Street, City—the prisoner was clerk there eight or nine years—he left in September last year—in 1877 he had charge of the Chancery suit of Langham v. Reynolds, an administration suit—Robert Bland Goodrich became entitled to a share—it was the prisoner's duty to make out the order for the transfer—this document (C) is in the prisoner's handwriting, with the exception of the three signatures Clowes, Jeffcoat, and Pearce—it is dated 11th September, 1877. (This was an order to pay the sum of 172l. 3s. 10d. to Robert Bland Goodrich.) That ought to be signed by a member of our firm—it is my father's name, but not his writing—that order would enable the stock to be transferred to Robert Bland Goodrich—it was the prisoner's business to get that done upon that order; he was Chancery clerk—it would be taken to the Paymaster-General, and he would act upon it—I relied upon the prisoner doing what was necessary—I was not aware until the beginning of this year that Robert Bland Goodrich had been applying for his money and unable to get it—Miss Goodrich called upon me, and at the end of February or the beginning of March I caused inquiries to be made—the prisoner had then left our service several months—we then looked up the papers in the Chancery suit to see if we could explain the matter—we could not find a large number of the papers—we communicated

with the prisoner, and he wrote to us on the subject—these are three of his letters. (These were marked E, F, and G, and were dated 20th February, 28th February, and 9th March, 1882, explaining that he had last the first power of attorney, and mislaid some of the papers, that he had received none of the money, nor did he know who had, but to make amends for his negligence he would insure his-life for the amount, and pay the premiums and interest.) The papers produced by Mr. Beard are connected with the suit of Langham v. Reynolds—the prisoner had no right to take those papers away from the office—amongst them is a form for a power of attorney dated 4th August, 1877—for the purpose of obtaining the money, it would be necessary that the prisoner should send a proper power of attorney to Robert Bland Goodrich; and on getting that back the prisoner ought to have received the money and remitted it to Goodrich—if there had been any difficulty in getting the money, the prisoner ought to have reported the matter to us—I am not aware that there was any difficulty in this case—some of the papers produced are not connected with the Chancery suit—on 15th February, 1879,1 find an entry in my book in the prisoner's writing: "Re Taplin, 3l. 15s." for advertising for next-of-kin—that is an entry by the prisoner as if he had made that payment on that account—those accounts were settled every week—he would have the money advanced to him for that purpose—I had no personal knowledge when it was paid—White and Sons are our advertising agents—Mr. Toovey, of 59, Chancery Lane, is our law stationer; the prisoner would have to see them on business for us—he might also go to Cox and Sons, of 102, Chancery Lane, for stamps—I saw the prisoner after he was in custody in March last—there was then a marked change in his appearance; there was a lightness in the centre of the beard; it was an iron-grey—the management of the Chancery suit was left entirely to the prisoner; we had every confidence in him; he was a very good clerk.

Cross-examined. You might have taken some of these papers home in the way of business—I don't think there are any papers of importance amongst them—you had no work to do at home—I never found you flush of money at any time, or slack in doing your work—I have made advances to you on one or two occasions, which you were unable to repay—I do not know whether it would have cost 1l. a week to insure your life; it was never considered at all—you are the only man who had sufficient knowledge to do this; it could only be done by a person in our office who would have the conduct of the matters which you had.

By the Jury, I had no occasion, apart from the power of attorney, to obtain Mr. Goodrich's signature—I do not remember that we had his signature before—I cannot say which of the documents in Langham v. Reynolds are missing, but when we missed some we wrote to the prisoner—I cannot say whether those documents are found.

ROBEKT FOULDER WHITE . I am a partner in the firm of White and Sons, publishers, of Fleet Street, advertising agents—in 1878 I was employed by MESSRS. Pearce, solicitors, and had a claim against them for 3l. 15s. 6d. for work—I was paid on 22nd May, 1879, by a 10l. note by one of Mr. Pearce's clerks to the best of my belief, for which I gave change—I endorsed the note with the date May 22nd, 1879—this is it; the endorsement is my writing.

Cross-examined. I do not identify you.

THOMAS TOOVEY . I am a law stationer, of 59, Chancery Lane, and have

done business for MESSRS. Pearce for many years—I know the prisoner as their clerk very well indeed-—on 24th May, 1879,1 received this 10l. note, 69676, dated August 5th, 1878, from some one who represented Pearce and Co., and I put on the back of it "Pearce and Son, 24l. 5l. 7d"—I afterwards changed this note, 67673, dated August 5th, in my office—I cannot say when; I made no memorandum.

Cross-examined. I cannot tell whether the signature is yours or not—I may have seen you write, but I do not recollect it now.

THOMAS BRIDGMAN SMITH . I am head clerk to Cox and Sons, 102, Chancery Lane—on 30th May, 1879, I received the 10l. note 69675, October 5th, 1878, from some one to change, and I made a note on it at the time "Pearce, Esq. "

WILLIAM TOOVEY . I am in business with my father and knew the prisoner as clerk to Mr. Pearce—on 17th July, 1879,1 received this Bank of England note 69672, 5th October, 1878, from some one representing the firm of Pearce and Sons—I endorsed the date on it.

JOHN EDWARD BECKETT . I am a clerk in the Consols Transfer Office, Bank of England—on 9th March, 1878, I was, I believe, there—this warrant, dated 5th January, 1878, is signed and witnessed by me—it is also signed by some one giving the name of Goodrich, and I delivered the warrant to him.

GILBERT NEWBORN WALKER . I am a clerk in the New Three percent. Transfer Office, Bank of England—on 9th July, 1878,1 was engaged in the Consols Dividend Office, when a pen-on giving the name of Bobert Bland Goodrich attended to receive the July dividend on 172l. 3s. 104. Consols—he signed the book first and then the warrant, and I witnessed it—I do not recognise the prisoner.

JOHN WILLIAM DAINTY . I am a elerk in the Consols Transfer Office—on 8th January, 1872, some one attended in the Consols Dividend Boom—he received the dividend on 72l. 3s. 10d. Consols—the name signed is B. B. Goodrich—the same person signed his name in this book.


ELIZABETH PHILLIPS . I live at 46, Wilson Road, Camberwell—I lived at 19, Southampton Street, Camberwell, about five years, and left in February, 1879—no one named Goodrich lived there while I was there.

Cross-examined. Southampton Street has not been recently re-numbered—my recollection extends over 20 years—it was formerly divided into a great number of places, and now it is numbered consecutively all through, but I do not think there is any other No. 19.

HERBERT BARKER FITCOCK (He examined). This (produced) is the real transfer from the Court of Chancery to Bobert B. Goodrich, and this is a copy of it.

HENKY WEBB (City Detective Sergeant). On 14th March I waited with Mr. Wilson in Basinghall Street, and saw the prisoner in Gresham Street—after Mr. Wilson left I said "Good morning, Mr. Goodrich "—he said "My name is not Goodrich; I don't know a person of that name "—I said "What is your name then?"—he said "That is my business"—I said "Well, George; I will call you George "—he said "Yes, that is my name "—I said I am a detective officer, and shall apprehend you for going to the Bank of England on 30th August, 1878, personating Bobert Goodrich, and defrauding the Bank of England of 172l. 3s. 10d. "—he said "I know nothing about it "—he was taken to Thames Street Station and

charged—he said that it was an unfounded charge—he gave his address 101, Loughborough Road, Brixton—I went there and found a quantity of papers.

Cross-examined. One of our officers watched you from Loughborough Road into Mr. Beard's office on the Monday morning—I had found out that you lived in Loughborough Road—I had received a description of you from Mr. Wilson—I got no description from MESSRS. Pearce—they did not tell me your name was George—Mr. Bovill told me that—I addressed you as Goodrich—you said your name was not Goodrich—you appeared rather confused—the papers I found at your house were not secreted; they looked as if they had been there a long time—the house was rather meanly furnished.

CHARLES CHABOT . I reside at 27, Red Lion Square—I have been engaged for a great many years in the study of handwriting, and have been examined as a witness a great many times in Courts of Justice—I have seen the transfer book of 30th August, 1878, with the signature of R. B. Goodrich, also the signature on 1st May, 1879, the three dividend warrants, and the letter of 17th July, 1878, from Winsley Street, signed C. W. Havers—in my judgment they are in the same handwriting as the endorsement on the two cheques—I have seen the genuine handwriting of the prisoner in the order marked C, the draft letter 0, and three letters signed George, dated 20th February, 28th February, and 9th March, marked E, F, and G—I have no doubt that they are in the same handwriting as the letter signed C. W. Havers, and to the best of my judgment in the same writing as the signatures in the Bank books, to the dividend warrants, and the endorsements on the cheques, but I do not express so strong an opinion on those as I do on the letter; as to that I have no doubt. (In the cross-examination by the prisoner the witness pointed out various particulars in the draft documents upon which he founded the opinion he arrived at.)

Witnesses for the Defence. HERBERT GEORGE WRIGHT (Re-examined). I was in Mr. Newman's office—I was informed by him that there was something wrong in the transfer—I cannot give the date—I did nothing upon it—I did not go to the Bank—no description was given to me of the party who was supposed to have made the transfer—Mr. Bovill made the appointment for me to go to Gresham Street—I have not talked this matter over with Mr. Wilson since I was at the Mansion House—I saw you on 14th March, and again at the Mansion House—I believe I stated it was a short, elderly man—I stated yesterday that to the best of my belief you were the party—I have not altered my opinion.

ESTHER BRADLEY . I have known the prisoner twenty years and more—in 1878 and 1879 he was not flush of money.

JAKES HORNE PEARCE (Re-examined). I don't know where the directions for transfers are prepared—I did not give any description of you to any one—no money was paid in to my account in 1878 or 1879 on behalf of Mr. Goodrich—on 28th May, 1879, the prisoner had 3l.—I did not give him 10l.; or any bank-note in May, 1879—1 did not give him a 10l. note to change—I do not remember any letter being received on 26th August stating that Mr. Goodrich was expected to come to England—we received a power of attorney in August—I remember Miss Goodrich receiving her money—I don't remember the time; my father attended to that—I

received and opened every letter that came by the morning's post—letters might come afterwards which I might not open—I have my diary here—on 22nd May, 1879, you were engaged attending to the business o£ the office.

WILLIAM CHEESEMAN . I am clerk to Mr. Pearce—I know the prisoner's handwriting—I cannot identity his handwriting in these signatures—it is very different to his usual handwriting—no one has asked me to give a description of him.

The prisoner in the course of a long defence complained of the mode in which he teas identified, and upon the vagueness of proof as to his handwriting, and the absence of proof that any of the money had been traced to his possession.

GUILTY. Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

THIRD COURT.—Thursday, May 4th, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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502. ELIZABETH SULLIVAN (24) PLEADED GUILTY to unlawfully endeavouring to conceal the birth of ner child.— Six Weeks' without Hard Labour.

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503. JOHN THOMAS (18) to burglary in the dwelling-house of Edward Fleurry, and stealing a cigar-case and other goods.— Nine Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

Reference Number: t18820501-504

504. CHARLES WILLIAMS (19) and MORGAN JONES (20) to burglary in the dwelling-house of John James Healey, and stealing 4l. 2s., belonging to Sir Frederick Perkins, Williams having been convicted of felony in February last at Bow Street in the name of Henry Bryan.— WILLIAMS— Twelve Months' Hard Labour. JONES— Six Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] And

Reference Number: t18820501-505

505. MATTHEW RYAN (23) to stealing 100 printed books called the Girls Own Paper, having been convicted of felony in January, 1880, at Bow Street.— Fifteen Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

Reference Number: t18820501-506

506. JOHN HOWELL (24) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of William Harris, with intent to steal his goods.

MR. D'EYNCOURT Prosecuted.

WILLIAM HARRIS . I am a tailor, of Richmond Place, Lamb's Conduit Street, Holborn—on 25th March I returned to my house about 12 o'clock—I have been in the habit of bringing some money home on the Saturday at this time of year—I went to bed—I was awoke by the front door slamming—the clock struck two shortly afterwards; it was a quarter slow—I saw a man in the room—I said "Who is there?" he did not answer—I jumped out of bed; I said "I will soon see who you are"—as soon as I jumped out of bed I said "Oh, it is you, Mr. Howell, is it?" I have known him for years—he opened 'the door and ran out—he had to pass under a lamp outside my window, and 1 saw him then clearly by the light of the lamp—he knows my business—I am a costermonger and florist, and attend the market.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I am certain it was you.

WILLIAM HOOPER (Policeman E 223). On Sunday, 26th March, I saw the prisoner in Red Lion Street', Holborn, about 3 p. m.—I said "I shall take you into custody for breaking into No. 1, Richmond Place this morning;"he said "It was not me, I can prove I was in Dash Street, Leather Lane, from 12 till 3 o'clock on Sunday morning—I took him to the station, and afterwards came back and examined the door I found

that the lock had been bent back—the prosecutor then came to the station and charged the prisoner.

GUILTY **†". He then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony in May, 1881, at Clerkenwell.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.—Friday, May 5th, 1882.

Before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18820501-507

507. JAMES PORTER WHITESIDE PLEADED GUILTY to embezzling 6l. 19s., 16l. 6s. 8d. and 32l. 15s. 3d., also 19l. 18s., 30l. 9s. 8d., and 35l. 8s. 6d. received on account of his masters, who recommended him to mercy. He received an excellent character.— Six Months' Hard Labour.

Reference Number: t18820501-508

508. EDITH WATSON (31) , Unlawfully receiving a portmanteau and a quantity of wearing apparel obtained by fraud from William Whiteley.


MR. J. P. GRAIN Defended.

FRANCIS WILFORD PALING . I am mantle buyer in the employ of MESSRS. Whiteley, of Westbourne Grove—on 11th October Miss Beat son, the superintendent of the ladies' outfitting department, brought a man into my department who gave the name of Captain Beecham, R. N., and said that he wanted a sealskin jacket and muff for a lady in St. Petersburg and a McGregor tartan shawl, and he had a letter in his hand—I undertook to procure them, and next morning they were ready for collection; the value of the three articles was 30l.—on 21st March I saw the prisoner at Marlborough Street Police-court wearing the sealskin jacket, which I identified—this is it (produced), and this is a photograph of the man who gave the name of Beecham.

DELL MARY EDGWORTH . I am an assistant to MESSRS. Whiteley—in October last I sold this silk dress, value 18 guineas, and velvet polonaise and skirt, 20 guineas (produced), and a serge dress value 5 guineas to a man giving the name of Captain Beecham—they were to be sent to him at Oxford Gardens, and a cheque was to be paid on delivery—the articles have been worn and altered.

JOHN SMALL . I am a salesman at Mr. Whiteley's, in the hosiery department—on 12th October I helped a man to choose this portmanteau and a quantity of hosiery and a dressing-case, value 14l. altogether—he said that he wanted them for the tropics, and they were to be sent to a house in Oxford Gardens—on Thursday, 9th March, I went to Brussels and saw the man in custody along with a man named Fulton, who was wearing a pair of gloves supplied by us.

JOHN WILLIAM CODD . I am assistant to Mr. Whiteley in the shirt department—on 11th October a man, whose photograph is here, ordered goods amounting to 5l.—he gave his name "Captain Beecham, R. N., Oxford Gardens, Notting Hill," and said he would give a cheque on delivery—I have seen the shirts since at the station.

RANDOLPH EDWIN COPELAND . I am a clerk in Mr. Whiteley's counting-house—on 12th October, 1881, I received instructions to take these goods to Captain Beecham at 45, Oxford Gardens, Notting Hill, delivered them

to him, and he gave me this cheque for 177l. 16s.—this is the man's photograph—at my request he crossed the cheque "Glyn, Mills, and Co. "—I got back to Whiteley's after banking hours, about 5.30.

GEORGE LOTHIAN FABRANT. I am in charge of the Audit Department at Whiteley's—on Friday, 13th October, I presented this cheque at the London and County Bank, Shoreditch branch—it was returned to me marked "No account"—I do not usually present crossed cheques over the counter, but I had a reason for doing it.

CHARLES HUNT. I am a clerk in the London and County Bank, Shore-ditch Branch—C. H. Beecham has no account there—this cheque is one of 50 supplied to a John Casey, a former customer, on 14th May, 1872; his account closed in May, 1873.

ELIZABETH BEATSON. I am an assistant at Mr. Whiteley's, and manage the ladies' outfitting department—on 11th October a man calling himself Beecham, whose photograph this is, came and ordered a mantle and muff and a shawl—I took him to Miss Edgworth, in the costume department, and then to Miss Bay, in the outfitting department, and gave her this list of what he wanted (produced)—I then took him to the umbrella department, where Miss Corrie attended to him—he said he wanted a large trunk to hold the goods of a lady, and was not particular about the price, but it must be good, and the things were going to St. Petersburg—he produced a card, "Captain C. V Beecham, 44, Oxford Gardens, Notting Hill," where the things were to be sent—he then said that he wanted some things for himself—I asked if he wished them packed with the lady's goods—he said "No"—the goods altogether came to 177l. 16i.—he required them to be ready at 4.30 next day.

HANNAH BAY. I am in the ladies' outfitting department at Mr. Whiteley's—on 11th October Miss Beatson brought me a list of lady's things to be supplied to Captain Beecham, and I supplied things amounting to over 20l.—I have seen the greater part of them since.

GEORGE HUNT. I am a tailor of Norland Terrace, Notting Hill—a man, whose photograph this is, came to my shop on 4th or 5th October—he produced his card, "Captain Beecham, R. N.," and said that he required three suits of clothes and an overcoat, to be delivered on the 12th; I think, at 4 o'clock punctually, as he was going by train to Portsmouth to a ship, and did not wish for credit, he would send the money back when I sent them—he came and tried them on on the next Friday, and when I sent them home my son brought back this cheque for 19l. 2s. 6d.—I have seen some of the goods since—the cheque was sent to my bank and was marked "No account. "

SIDNEY HUNT. I am the son of the last witness—I took these goods to Captain Beecham and received this cheque from him.

AUGUSTA GRACE. I live at 53, Herbert Street, Hoxton—on the August Bank Holiday a woman named Casey came and took my second floor back room at 5t. 6s. a week, furnished, for a Mr. and Mrs. Watson, and next night, about 10 o'clock, the prisoner and a gentleman, who gave his name Watson, came and took possession of the rooms—this is a photograph of the man—they brought this portmanteau with them—the prisoner paid the rent—they cooked for themselves in their room—shortly after they came, a man giving the name of Captain Harry called but they were not at home—they came in shortly afterwards, and I told them; and Watson said in the prisoner's presence that Captain Harry

owed him 800l.—the prisoner told me that Watson was her husband and that he had lost 30,000l. two years ago by speculation, that he was a gentleman, and spoke four languages, and she had been married to him four years—they said that they were going to Bristol, and went away-after their return I was sitting up in her room waiting for Watson, and saw two portmanteaus and a basket there—I asked her how they were got up without our hearing—she said "We are very quiet, and you do not how when we are in or out," and that she had got as many portmanteaus again at her sister's—she opened a trunk and showed me a large quantity of dresses and women's underclothing and feathers—I admired them—she said that she gave 25s. each for the feathers, and she showed me a night-dress trimmed with lace, which she said she gave 12 guineas for—Watson came in about 2.30 a.m. and brought a portmanteau with him—he said that he had been at Mrs. Cohen's—he took a silver bracelet from his pocket and put it on the prisoner's arm—on the night they came home from Bristol I sat up for them, and she said that they had come in for 30,000l., and therefore wanted better apartments—they left three or four days afterwards—during the last week the prisoner showed me a broad double-cluster diamond ring, and a diamond and emerald ring, which she said Was her husband's—he wore a long diamond pin in his scarf and a ring with a large diamond on each hand—on the day after they left she came back and said that they went to the Angel after leaving our place, and went to see some friends who were going to the States, and eight guineas was put down for champagne, and they were taken home speechless, and that they were living in Packington Street—while they were there they visited me nearly every day, and Watson told me he was going to Paris, and the prisoner afterwards told me that he had gone to Paris and returned, and showed me some opal earrings and a brooch and a gold watch and chain which he had given her, and that he had given 20l. for the chain.

Cross-examined. They left together on 22nd November.

ELIZA POLAND . I am a widow, and keep a lodging-house at 106, Packington Street, Islington-—on 22nd November the prisoner came in a cab with a man representing himself to be Watson—this is his photograph—they had taken a first floor room before—they brought with them a large black truuk, a portmanteau, and three or four bags—the rent was 9s. 6d. a week—he wore a handsome diamond pin and ring, and said that he was an officer in the American army, and they paid a week's rent in advance—the prisoner said she wished to have her door locked, as there were valuable deeds and other property in the room—they looked it when they went out—one day she showed me a photograph which she said was that of her late husband, who had died of consumption and left her 500l. and a house of furniture, and that when she married Mr. Watson she spent over 100 guineas in clothing—some underclothing which was on the bed was subsequently taken possession of by Inspector Littlechild—Mr. Watson was some time abroad, and during that time I took in letters bearing the Rotterdam, Paris, Antwerp, and Brussels postmarks—on Sunday, 19th February, the prisoner said that he was going to Brussels—they went out together, and she returned without him and remained at my house till her arrest—Littlechild took away a night-dress which Watson said she wore as it was the anniversary of her wedding night—he also took away several handsome silk dresses—a few nights before

Watson left the prisoner was wearing a diamond ring and a massive gold chain.

Cross-examined. There was no concealment about the watch or jewellery.

ALIOB COLLBY . I am the wife of Henry Colley, of 3, Alfred Street, Bermondsey—I produce a certificate of a marriage between Charles Frederick Geddes, my brother, and Elizabeth Alice Barton, the prisoner, on November 8th, 1868—I saw them start for church and saw them return—my brother went to India about four years ago, and I received a letter from him on 17th February this year—this is the envelope of it; it is his writing.

JOHN GEORGE LITTLECHILD (Police Inspector). This matter was placed in my hands in October last, and from inquiries I made I went with Inspector Wildey, between 2 and 8 o'clock in the afternoon on 6th March, to 106, Packington Street, and found the prisoner in the first-floor front room, and told her we were police officers, and had reason to believe she had some stolen property—I saw a trunk and portmanteau, and told her that they were part of the property—we searched, found several things, and I told her to consider herself in oustody for feloniously receiving she said "I have nothing here but what was bought and paid for by my husband"—I searched the room, and found this property (produced) prisoner was wearing one of the satin skirts—Mr. Whiteley identified the whole of the property—I found Mr. Hunt's suit of clothes and overcoat in the room with the prisoners—there is a warrant out against the man; we have been unable to get him from Brussels.

WILDEY (Police Inspector K). I was with Littlechild—I have heard his evidence; it is true.

GUILTY .*— Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

Reference Number: t18820501-509

509. WILLIAM FAULKNER (16) and GEORGE DAY (19) , Robbery with violence on Francois Falla, and stealing a watch, his property.

MR. SMYTHIES Prosecuted.

FRANCOIS FALLA (Interpreted). I am a cigar maker, of 86, New Street—on 31st March, between 10 and 11 p.m., 1 was with a friend, walking home—we heard a noise behind us; six or seven men came up to us, and the prisoner Day struck me several blows with his crutch—the first blow knocked me down—I lost my watch and chain—they all ran away—this is my watch {produced).

Cross-examined by Lay. The first blow was with your crutch on my head, and it was so strong that it knocked me down and wounded my ear, and the blood ran down.

PETER FAVART . I am a cigar manufacturer of 38, Hungerford Street, Commercial Road—I was walking with Falla, and Day came up with another one, whom I don't know, and said," What did you hit my brother for?"—I had seen no blow—Day hit Falla with his crutch across the ear, and knocked him down, and hit him again more than once after he was down—about six of them came up, and I ran away from them—I do not know Faulkner.

Cross-examined by Day. I gave Faulkner in custody half an hour afterwards, because I made sure he was amongst them—he was two minutes' walk off—you said that you had only 7s. in your pocket, and you were

going to market—I did not say "Oh, that is what you got by selling my watch"—I gave you both in custody at the same time, as the prisoner had described you both, though I had only seen one.

FRANCIS COLAN (Policeman H 290). On 1st April I was on duty about 1 o'clock—Falla and Favart came up and made a complaint, and gave me a description, in consequence of which I went to Nelson Street, and Crabtree went to the other end of the street—in a quarter of an hour or 20 minutes I saw the two prisoners coming out of John's Place together, and heard Faulkner say, "Good night, 'Crutchey'"—I went after Faulkner, and said "What is the matter with you?"—he said "Nothing"—I said "Come with me to the corner, and you will be charged with assaulting a man and robbing him of his watch, with others not in custody"—I handed him to Crabtree, went towards John's Place, and saw Day go up a court and take hold of a costermonger's barrow—he then said "I am going to market"—I said "You had better come with me first"—I told him the charge—he said "I know nothing about any watch or assaulting a man"—I took him to the corner of Bedford Street, and Falla and Favart both identified him.

CHARLES CRABTREE (Policeman H 349). I was with Colan, and from information given to me, I went to Nelson Street, where he handed Faulkner over to me, who said, "If you will let me cut a guy I will give you the watch"—that is slang for "get away"—I said "You have not got the watch, have you?"—he said "Yes, governor, and here it is," producing it—the prisoners were charged at the station, and said nothing—I. saw blood on Falla's ear.

Day's Statement before the Magistrate. "He says it was 10.30 or 11; it happened at 12.30. I went to see if my barrow was all right, came up Bedford Street, and saw two men fighting with a man, who gave them a blow on the nose. I said 'You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. 'I say I hit him on the head with my crutch. I know nothing about the watch. "

Faulkner's Defence. I was going along Bedford Street, and saw a man who sells mussels, with his nose bleeding. He said that one of the gentlemen hit him on the nose. There were three or four big chaps having a row with him, and they took his watch, and said to me "Here you are; here is the watch; they won't say nothing to you. "Day was not there at all. Day's Defence. I was not there at the time the man lost his watch; these men came up, and I said to one who does not understand English "You ought to be ashamed of yourself. "I took no notice, but walked away, and half an hour afterwards I was given in charge for stealing the watch.

FAULKNER— GUILTY .— Nine Months' Hard Labour.

DAY then PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction at Worship Street in May, 1881.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour, and 20 strokes with the cat

THIRD COURT.—Friday, May 5th, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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510. FRANCIS FITZGERALD (20) and RICHARD EMBLETON (18) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of John Grier, with intent to steal,

MR. GRIFFITHS Prosecuted.

MARY ALLEN . I am the wife of Henry Allen, and lodge at No. 11, South Crescent, Store Street—I went to bed at 11.40 p.m. on 3rd April, haying seen the house securely fastened, including the attic window—there were plenty of things in the house that could be stolen.

LOUISA GRIER . I am the wife of John Grier, and live at 11, South Crescent—I slept on the drawing-room floor—on 4th April I woke up between 3.30 and 4 a. m. and found my room door open—I saw a figure in the room and said "Who is there?"—I heard some one leave the room, bang the door to, and heavy steps went downstairs—the nurse and I went to the drawing-room window—I looked out and saw a man standing under the window—I saw a policeman come up.

THOMAS RANDALL (Policeman E 65). I was on duty at South Crescent on Monday night, 3rd April—No. 8 is unoccupied—the door was fastened up safe at 12—at 1.15 I found it had been opened and shut again—how I knew is a police secret—I waited till my acting sergeant came—he sent me for the landlord, who came and could not open the door—he got over the railings and found the area kitchen window broken—I saw him get in and appear at the front door—I then went in—we found in the hall six empty sacks—I went to the station for assistance—the other constables went in; I remained outside—shortly after 4 I saw the two prisoners come out of No. 11—I got at the corner to look at them—I was within five yards of them—I saw them as plainly as I do now; I was right under the lamp—day was breaking—when I got nearly opposite I flourished my truncheon and said "Stop"—they hesitated, and then Fitzgerald started running towards Tottenham Court Road and Embleton in the opposite direction—I followed Embleton and lost eight of him in about 600 or 700' yards—I then gave a. description of the two men I had seen—I had no difficulty afterwards in picking them out at the station—Embleton has different clothes on.

Cross-examined by Fitzgerald. I said in my description that you were about 5 feet 3 or 4 inches, dark clothes, and wore neither collar nor tie.

GEORGE ABBOTT (Policeman E 435). I was acting sergeant on this night—I went to 8, South Crescent about 1.30 a.m. on 4th April—I tried to open the door and sent for the landlord—we got over the area rails and found the kitchen window open by the catch—we opened it and got in—a fire was lit in the grate in the back kitchen—we found six empty sacks in a corner of the hall—the front door was bolted inside—the back drawing-room window was open, and the attic window was partly open—a person could get from the attic window on to the roof and along the houses—I sent for other constables, and while we were searching the premises I heard an alarm—I received from Randall a description of two men.

GEORGE FELTON (Detective E). I went to No. 11 about 11 a. m. on the 4th—a person could get on to the roof of No. 8 in that way to the attic window of No. 11, which was broken—I received a description of two men from Randall—I saw them the following Saturday in Rathbone Place—I followed them to Wimpole Street, and said "lama police officer, and shall take you into custody on suspicion for having broken into No. 11 on the 3rd"—Embleton said "You have made a mistake, old man"—I took them to the station—they were placed with ten others, and Randall picked them out without difficulty.

Cross-examined by Embleton. I had seen both of you before, but would not take you, as I had no assistance.

The Prisoners Statements before the Magistrate. Fitgerald says: "I was in bed at the time, and will call my brother to prove it." Embleton says: "I know nothing about it; I was in bed at the time." Witnesses for the Defence.

JOHN FITZGERALD . I am the prisoner Fitzgerald's brother—I work at a greengrocer's—on 3rd April I went down and let you in at 11 o'clock at your own house, 17, Upper Rathbone Place, Oxford Street—at 3 a.m. I woke up and found you asleep—at 6 a.m. I went to work and left you still sleeping in bed.

Cross-examined. There are about twenty lodgers—there are bells to the house, and each lodger knows his own ring—we live at the top—my brother has no latch-key—I woke at 3 on the 4th, not, on the 5th—the latest time on Monday I saw my brother was about 11 p.m.

MARK RICHARD EMBLETON . I am Embleton's father—I am a painter and glazier—he came in about 12.30 on 3rd April—I heard the ring—I saw him come in—he sleeps in the same room, and he was in bed when I went to work about 5.30 a.m.

Cross-examined. I went to bed about 9—I did not say before the Magistrate "The prisoner Embleton was not out on the night in question"—I said he slept in his bed that night—I did not look at the clock—I was in bed, and not near enough to see it—it is only my idea as to the time.

EMILY EMBLETON . I am the wife of the last witness, and am your mother—I threw the key out of the window to you on the Monday night about 12.30; it might have been a little later—people were passing.

Cross-examined. I did not look at the clock as his father was cross; and I did not get a light—before the Magistrate I said "The bell ringing woke me; I could not say what was the time"—it was dark—I live on the first floor at 137, Cleveland Street; Fitzroy Square—I was in my first sleep, and I am certain it was no later than one—we went to bed about 10.30 or 10.45—he came home early on the Tuesday night, and about 11 on the Sunday night—he has no key—the 3rd was the only night I threw Out the key.

Fitzgerald's Defence. I was taken out of a coffee-shop and put with a different set of people with beards and whiskers, and a detective sat opposite me and pretended to be playing with a ruler, and pointed at me the whole time. I am never out at night except I go to a place of amusement.

Embleton's Defence. A detective was sitting on a table humming a tune and marking the time, and when the policeman came he said "Here is one. "


Reference Number: t18820501-511

511. BENJAMIN OAKLEY (18) , Breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Thomas Lawes and others, and stealing a musical box and 26 looking-glasses, his goods.


GEORGE JAMES BUZZARD . I am employed by Thomas Lawes, of 65, City Road; cabinetmaker—I left the premises on Saturday, 8th April, about 1.30—I returned the next Tuesday at 9 a.m.—I saw two glasses lying on the floor in the top warehouse; one had our price hieroglyphic on it—I went to the box where they were kept, and found the contents had gone—I missed 2s. 4 1/2 d. the musical box produced, and I know it

by the scratch on the top, which was caused in moving—the padlock had been wrenched off the back wicket gate, and the gate was open—there were marks on the wall, which was 14 or 15 feet high, as if it had been scaled, and the window forced where the glasses were.

THOMAS STAMP . On 14th April I went to 20, Radcliffe Road, Lever Street, St. Luke's, and found the prisoner in the first-floor anteroom, looking at me through the keyhole—he had his trousers and stockings on as if he had just got out of bed—I said "What is your name?" he said "Benjamin Oakley"—I said "I shall search your room, have you got anything here that does not belong to you?" he said "No"—under the bed I found this musical box—I said "How do you account for the possession of this musical-box?" he said "I bought it of a man in Nile Street"—I said "How much did you give him for it?" he said "35. "—I said I should take him in custody for stealing it—one of these looking-glasses was hanging up in the room; I asked the other officer to take it down; he did so, and I asked the prisoner how he came in possession of that; he said nothing—I said "Have you any more?" he said "I believe there is somewhere"—the other officer found five in a box—I said "How do you account for the possession of them"—he said "I bought them as well"—I said "How much did you give for them?" he said "35;. for the lot, and the man treated me as well"—he and his mother occupy the two back rooms.

Cross-examined. Your mother told me your sister had one, and I sent a little girl to fetch it—I made a mistake, there were four in the box.

EDWIN FALLIN (Detective G). I went with Stamp to the prisoners house—I found the looking-glasses and a concertina in a box since identified—I said "How do you account for this concertina?" he said "My father bought it from a little boy some six or eight months ago. "

"WILLIAM NORMAN . I am a musical instrument maker, of 35, Brunswick Place, City Road—this concertina is mine because it has bells at the side of the strap holes—on 1st March my window was cut out and the whole stock stolen to the value of 12l.—this concertina was the only one of that make I had.

Prisoner's Defence. I bought the musical-box, and showed it to my brother and put it under the bed. My father-in-law brought the concertina home one Saturday night. He was drunk, and said he gave 1s. for it

GUILTY †.— Eighteen Month? Hard Labour.

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512. BESSIE MATTHEWS (31) , Robbery with violence with others on Charles Barter, and stealing 2l. 10s., his money.

MR. WILLES Prosecuted.

CHARLES BARTER . I am a veneer and moulding manufacturer, of 9, Percy Street, Tottenham Court Road—on 15th April, about 1 a.m., I was coming down Rathbone Place towards Percy Street—I saw two men and the prisoner—one pushed me with his shoulder on one side, and while looking at him the other pushed me on the other side—when I got near the step of my door the prisoner said "That is the man, that is him," and hit me with the back of her hand—I opened my door, but only my wife and servant were in the house, and they had the chain up—one of the men struck me from behind in the eye, and I was punched about the head and thrown down on the doorstep—one of them thrust his hand into my trousers pocket, and the prisoner held me by my coat

—I had a purse containing 30s. in gold and about 1l. in silver—when I got up it was gone—the men ran away; I overtook the prisoner—I called "Police"—my servant fetched a COD stable, and the prisoner was taken—I never lost sight of her—I suffered much pain; I could not open one eye for two. or three days—I felt worse a day or two after, as if ricked—I tremble at the least excitement—I have retired from business.

Cross-examined. You did not say "What is the matter with you, man?"—I did not assault you—I was not in my shirt sleeves—you screamed, and said "Don't hold me so tight," but I was bound to hold you tight; I had quite enough to do to retain you.

Re-examined. My trousers were torn by the men; here they are (produced)—I did not see the woman's hand in my pocket.

MARY ANN CHINN . I live at 9, Percy Street, and am the prosecutor's servant—about 1 a.m. on 15th April I heard my master calling out "Police"—he opened the door, but the chain being up he could not get in—I took the chain down, and he was outside on the ground—the prisoner was a little way below the step, swearing—she ran away—my master caught her before I got up—she called him a dirty beast—he was holding her tight, still calling out "Police"—I went into Oxford Street and fetched a constable—I picked up eighteen pence, and gave it to the constable—the next morning I found two sixpences in the area—I am sure the prisoner is the woman.

JAMES OLDTING (Policeman E 100). Chinn called me, and I saw the prisoner held by the prosecutor—he gave her in charge for robbing and assaulting him—she said she knew nothing about it—nothing was found on her—she gave her address 9, Arthur Street, New Oxford Street.

Cross-examined. The prosecutor did not ask me to wait till he put on his coat; he had his coat on when I spoke to him—he was rather excited—his trousers were torn.

The Prisoner's Defence. I heard a row and went to see, and when I left to go home the prosecutor followed and took hold of me—he had no hat or coat—I said "What is the matter?" he held me tightly till a policeman came.

GUILTY .— Six Months' Hard Labour.

Reference Number: t18820501-513

513. FREDERICK CHEROUVRIER otherwise STEVENS (41) and JOSEPH BICKETTS (27) , Unlawfully taking Ann Agnes Stevens, a girl under the age of 16 years, out of the possession of Charlotte Stevens, her mother.

MR. DRUMMOND Prosecuted;


The evidence is unfit for publication.


NEW COURT.—Saturday, May 6th, 1882.

(For cases tried this day see Surrey cases)

OLD COURT.—Friday, May 5th, Saturday, May 6th, and Monday, May 8th, 1882.

Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.

Reference Number: t18820501-514

514. JOHN BAKER (20) was indicted for a burglary in the dwelling-house of William Alexander Hill, and stealing therein a variety of articles, to which he


Reference Number: t18820501-515

515. JOHN BAKER (20) was again indicted for the wilful murder of Enoch Clark.


MATHEWS Defended.

EMILY MATTHEWS . I am a single woman—on 2nd March I was living at 30, Mint Street, Borough—I have known the prisoner about six months—I don't know what trade he followed—he lived at 30, Mint Street—I knew Enoch Clark, he and I had lived together for nearly twelve months—we went to live at Mint Street about a week before Christmas—Clark and the prisoner were on friendly terms for all I knew; I never beard them quarrel—they were in the habit of going out together and associating together—I never heard of any quarrel or ill feeling between them—Clark had been a soldier in the 2nd battalion of the Coldstream Guards; he left the regiment in June last—on the afternoon of Thursday, 2nd March, Clark and I were together in the kitchen, in Mint Street—the last time I saw him was between 5 and 6 o'clock; he bid me good-bye—I went into the back kitchen to wash some things and left Clark and the prisoner together in the kitchen—when Clark went out of the kitchen he said "I am going now, I shall see you about 9 or 10 o'clock if I don't see you before"—I did not see them go away; when I came back into the kitchen they were gone—I know how Clark was dressed that day—I have since seen some clothes produced by the police—those were the clothes he wore when he left me that day—Baker had on a black diagonal coat, black waistcoat, and a blue guernsey under it, a white shirt, tweed trousers, and springside boots, a hard felt hat, and a whitish kind of handkerchief round his neck—I did not see Clark or Baker again that night—that did not astonish me much; on previous occasions they had been out all night—I never saw Clark alive again—on 20th March I saw him dead at the Great Northern Cemetery—about 11 o'clock on the morning of 3rd March I saw Baker in the kitchen of the house in Mint Street—I said to him "Where is Clark?"—he said "He will be here in a minute or two"—he said nothing more at that time—I went into the back kitchen to wash, and while there Baker came and said "Look here, the state I am in"—I just looked round; I did not take any notice at tire minute—he pointed to the leg of his trousers—he had on a pair of spring-side boots, gentlemen's buttoned-up boots—I did not notice anything on the side of his trousers—I noticed a few stains the colour of port wine; I did not exactly notice the colour; I just looked round—I was washing at the minute; they were red spots—I did not notice anything on the boots—I did not say anything to him at the time—he showed me two white tablecloths, one largo and one small; he took them from underneath his guernsey and asked me to wash them—I did so, and dried them and had them mangled, and he asked me to pawn them—I gave them to Kate Egan to pawn for me, and she gave me 2s. 111l. 2d. and a pawn ticket, which I gave to the prisoner—up to that time, except the spots on his leg, I did not notice anything out of the way with him; he seemed the. same as usual—about 2 o'clock I saw him again standing by the table—I asked him if he had seen Clark—he said "If he is not here soon T shall go down and see if I can hear anything about him "—I think he then said as they were coming along to a field there was a fence and there were two policemen, one was on horseback and one was on foot, and the one on foot looked over the

fence, and the prisoner saw him and took out a port-wine bottle from his pocket and hit him over the head with it, that he hit him a second time and knocked him insensible; with that he missed Clark, and he thought the policeman on horseback must have run after him, as he heard the springing of a rattle, and he must have been caught—I saw some silver knives and forks with white handles, two pairs of nutcrackers, and a fork and spoon in a red morocco case—they were put into a little wooden box belonging to me, which was kept in the kitchen—the prisoner asked me to put them on a shelf; I did so and covered them with a cloth—I did not at any time have any conversation with the prisoner about the spots on his leg—between 3 and 4 o'clock on the afternoon of the 3rd a man named Curly, whose proper name is Wool ridge, came into the kitchen with a basket—the prisoner spoke to him; I did not hear what he said—they went out after that—they came back between 8 and 9 o'clock in the evening—Curly was carrying a basket; he put it under a form, and left it there—there were several lodgers in the kitchen at the time—the prisoner and Curly waited until the lodgers had gone, and the basket was then produced from under the form—the prisoner opened it, and produced several pairs of boots of various sizes, women and children's—he also took from his pocket a bottle of wine, a bottle of rum, and a flute in three pieces, with silver tops—he was then wearing his own spring-side boots—I did not notice what he was wearing when he went out with Curly—the wine was drunk by us and some of the lodgers who came in—Curly had left—I got the worse for liquor, and went to bed between 12 and 1 o'clock—shortly after the prisoner came to my bed, and he slept with me that night—next morning, 4th March, I got up about 8 o'clock; the prisoner had risen before me, and gone down—he gave me a pair of boots to pawn—I pawned them at Amherst's, in the Borough, for 2s. 6d. and gave the money and ticket to the prisoner—the ticket was burnt—the same day the prisoner gave me a pair of lady's boots to pawn—I gave them to a lodger named Chick to pawn, and he brought me 1s., and a ticket—I gave it to the prisoner—the prisoner gave the ticket to Muffin Jack, as he was called—his name is Smith—the prisoner went out that afternoon, taking with him the silver knives and forks, the red morocco case, and the flute—I saw him again between 11 and 12 o'clock—he slept with me that night, at the same place—next day I saw him using a combination knife and fork which I had seen with the other things on the Friday morning when he came home—on Monday, the 6th, I said to the prisoner "It is strange we have not heard anything of Clark"—he said he must have been locked up—I said "Well, I will go down to see; I think I can find out where he is "—he said "You had better not go; perhaps he has given no fixed name or address"—I asked where he thought he would be locked up—he said either at Highgate or Barnet—I continued to live with the prisoner until the day of his arrest—on one occasion, the 6th or 7th March, the prisoner went out, and on coming back he said "I have just read a letter that has come to Nunney from a young man who is committed for trial, and he has sent out to say that Clark was fully committed"—he did not say what the man's name was; he said Nunney was the young man who was committed for trial, and he had sent out the letter to another young man, who showed it to the prisoner—he said Clark sent out word that he hoped I was getting on all

right with the prisoner—after that I read in the newspaper an account of a dead body being found in a wood at Finchley—I did not say anything to the prisoner at that time;" I don't think he was in the kitchen at the time I read it—I spoke to him afterwards, and said "There has been a body found in a wood, and it is identified as a gipsy, and it could not be Clark, as he was so fair; "Clark was very fair—on another day the prisoner said "I will go up, to satisfy you, and see the body"—I said I would go if I knew where it was—he said "If you go you will never find it"—he said "Before I go I know it is not him, because we were nowhere near there"—he afterwards went out for the purpose of going to see—he was away some time—when he returned he said "I went as far as Shoreditch, and I saw reports of a man being identified as a gipsy, of the name of Butler, by a shoemaker at Brentwood"—he said "Don't upset yourself, as I know it is not him"—Clark would have been 21 on 19th June-—on the 14th June Muffin Jack came to me, and in consequence of what he said I gave him the prisoner's guernsey—on the 16th this photograph (produced) was shown to me by the police; it is a photograph of Clark, taken as he was lying dead—I then went with "the police to Blackman Street Station, and from there to Kentish Town Station—some clothes were shown me which I identified as the clothes which Clark was wearing the last time I saw him—I then went back to Mint Street—I had not seen the prisoner all that day till 8 o'clock—a friend of the prisoner's then came and gave me a message, in consequence of which I went to a public-house at the foot of Southward Bridge Road—I there saw the prisoner—I said to him "I have seen Clark's photograph and his clothes, and it is no good your saying it is not him"—he made no reply—I said "I shall not go back to Mint Street till it is late, because they have threatened me so"—he said "I shan't go back to-night, if you come over the water I will find you a bed "—I went to Clerkenwell Road and we slept at a coffee-house together—next morning, the 17th, we breakfasted at the coffee-shop, and came out and walked towards the City—I then said "I shall go over the water"—he said "I shan't come over till it is late, as I have got a man to see "—we walked on to King William Street—we there had some beer, and when we came out I saw the prisoner in the hands of the detectives—he then had on the side-spring boots and the coat that he had on when he went out with Clark the night of the alleged murder; in other respects the clothes were different—I last saw the trousers with the red stains on the Tuesday or Wednesday—I saw them for about a week after he called my attention to the stains—I don't know what became of them—the last time I saw them was in the kitchen—I saw the dead body of Clark on the 20th at the Great Northern Cemetery, Colnoy Hatch—I identified it as the body of Clark, who had lived with me.

Cross-examined. Clark left the Coldstream Guards in June last—he told me he had been five years in the regiment—he did not know many persons living about Mint Street whilst be was in the Guards—he was acquainted with two or three persons when he came to live in Mint Street—he knew all the inmates of No. 30—he did not have many acquaintances in the street; ho had some—it is a street frequented by bad characters—when the prisoner showed me the stains on the trousers in the washhouse, he said they were port wine stains—I did not notice them very much—later in the day he said if Clark did not come soon he would go

and try and find him; that he most have been caught—that was all he said at that time—it was after his return with Curly in the evening that he made the statement about having met two policemen—Checkley was not there at that time, I think; I am not quite sure—no one was present to my remembrance—the account I read in the newspaper was of the body of a gipsy named Peter Butler being found in Finchley Wood, a man between 27 and 30 years of age—it was not an account of the inquest that I read; it was a description of the finding of the body—it was then I said to the prisoner "It can't be Clark?"—I don't remember seeing any account of the inquest—it was on the same day I saw the account of the finding of the body that the prisoner said he had gone as far as Shoreditch but no farther, for the reason ho gave—it was then he said "Don't upset yourself, for I am sure it is not him"—I noticed no marks or scratches on the prisoner's face or about his person when he returned on the morning of the 3rd March, nor were his clothes in any way torn or disarranged.

Re-examined. It was the night I was intoxicated that the prisoner slept with me—that was the first time he ever slept with me, and the first time he ever had connection with me.

JAMES SMITH . I live at 30, Mint Street, Southwark—I am known as Muffin Jack—I knew the prisoner living there, and I knew Clark, who was living with Emily Matthews—on Thursday afternoon, 2nd March, I saw the prisoner and Emily Matthews together in the kitchen—I saw Clark afterwards—later in the evening I saw the prisoner leave the house—Clark afterwards followed him out; that was between four and five in the evening—I did not know where they were going—I did not see them again that night—I saw the boots which the prisoner was wearing before he went out; they were spring-side boots—he was also wearing a guernsey, a waistcoat, and usual clothes—next morning, Friday, I was in the kitchen at 30, Mint Street—I saw Checkley there—while we were there the prisoner came in alone—I had no conversation with him then—I left the lodging next day, and went to another lodging, Mr. Willis's—on Sunday the 5th I was in a public-house in the Borough—I saw the prisoner there; I was drinking with him—I heard him speak to the barman about buying a pawn ticket for a pair of button boots which had been pledged, I think, for 4s.—I saw the barman give the prisoner sixpence for the ticket, and the prisoner gave him the ticket—I pawned same boots for the prisoner at 2 o'clock on the 3rd—I could not tell what day of the week it was—he asked me if I wanted to earn a few halfpence—I said "Yes," and he asked me to pawn 12 Shakespeares—he gave them to me in the lodging-house at Mint Street—that was before the transaction with the barman about the ticket for the boots—it was the day after I saw the prisoner and Clark go out together that he asked me to pawn the books, I think—it was on the 6th of the month, I think—I gave them to a strange woman, who was passing by, to pawn—I saw her take them into a pawnbroker's in Great Suffolk Street, Boro'—I stayed outside—she came out, and gave me 3s. 11½d. and a pawn ticket—I gave the money and the pawn ticket to the prisoner; he told me I could keep the ticket—I lost it some days afterwards—I tried to find it, but could not—some time after I saw the prisoner passing the South wark Bridge Road—1 should say it was either the 13th or 14th; I could not tell exactly the day—he said to me"Muffin Jack, you can go and got

that guernsey and waistcoat"—he had promised them me before then—in consequence of what he said I went to the lodging-house and saw Emily Matthews—I told her what the prisoner had said, and she gave me the waistcoat—the guernsey was given me by another girl who Was there at the time—I wore them both, and continued to do so till after the prisoner was arrested—when I heard that he was arrested on this charge, I looked at the waistcoat and the guernsey—some other people looked at it as well—I noticed some marks on them, on the collar of the guernsey, and down the right side of the waistcoat—it was a turn-over waistcoat—it appeared to me to be blood; it was a stain, both on the waistcoat and the guernsey—I took them to a rag shop in Kent Street, and sold them for a penny—a few minutes afterwards I went and got them back again, took them to the police-station, and gave them to Inspector Fox—those stains did not get on them while I had them.

Cross-examined. The prisoner returned in the same clothes on the 3rd March as he went out in on the 2nd, and in the same boots so far as I observed—he did not tell me he had left the guernsey and waistcoat off—I do not say he did not say he had not done with them—that is a different question—I told you he promised them to me—he said I should have them when he got some better clothes—that was all the conversation on 13th or 14th March with regard to the guernsey and the waistcoat—I wore them till the 17th, and wish I had never had them at all—after I discovered the spots upon them I took them to a rag shop in Kent Street and sold them—two or three minutes after I went there and got them back and returned the money for which I sold them—I took them to Mr. Fox at Stone's End Police-station—I never heard of any Government reward at all till now—I swore before the Magistrate "I did not know anything of 100l. reward being offered before I gave information to the police, but I did know it before giving evidence here on 23rd March"—I only heard of it because I was told by the detectives.

FREDERICK CHECKLEY . I reside at 30, Mint Street, Southwark, and am a waterside labourer—I know the prisoner and also Enoch Clark—I last saw Clark at the lodging-house on 2nd March—on the following day about 11 o'clock the prisoner came into the kitchen and walked right round to the little kitchen—I asked him for some tobacco; he gave me some—I went to the fire for alight, and he said "Chick, you might go and pawn me this meerschaum pipe," and he gave me a meerschaum pipe in a red morocco case—I took it to Barnett's in the Blackfriars Road and pawned it for 3s. in my own name, came back, and gave the 3s. and the ticket t to the prisoner—he was still in the kitchen; he gave me 3d. for my trouble—I noticed his boots when he first came into the kitchen; they were all over mud and red and wet spots; I could not say what the spots were—he went across to the small kitchen and took them off and put them by the fire to dry—they were button-up boots with about an inch of green ribbon round the top of the lining—those are the boots (produced)—while I was in the kitchen I said to him "Baker, where is Clark?"—he answered "We have both been apprehended by a patrol on horseback; I struck the patrol on the head with a bottle of wine, and Clark ran away, and that is how I made my escape; look at the blood on my trousers"—he showed me the left leg of his trousers; I saw red spots, but I don. 't know what they were; he said the blood came from the patrol's head as he struck him with a bottle of port wine; that was all that was

said then—some time after this we went to a public-house together called the Mint Gate; it was the same day about dinner time—he asked me if I could buy him an old pair of boots for a pot of beer, and said he wanted to pledge his own, he was short of money—he gave me 4d., and I went and bought this pair of low ankle shoes (produced)—he could not get them on, so he had to cut them down in front—they hare string in them now; they had not when I bought them—he told me to pledge the button boots, and I pledged them for 4s.—he told me first to get them cleaned; I took them to a shoeblack, but saw there was too much mud on them, so I got a piece of clean rag and washed them, and then I took them to the shoeblack and had them cleaned—after that I took them to the pawnshop by the church in the Borough, I don't know the name, I pawned them for 4s. in the name of Wilkinson, and took 3s. 111l. 2d. (the other 1l. 2d. I paid for the ticket) and the ticket to the prisoner—this was about 2 o'clock—they were the button boots I had seen on his feet when he first came in on the Friday—the same night between 8 and 9 I saw the prisoner again in the kitchen following Wool-ridge, whom I know as Curly, who was coming in with a basket on his back—the prisoner took the basket off Curlys back and put it under the corner of the form in the kitchen—he took out of it a pair of hobnail boots mended at the—toes and handed them to me; these are the boots (produced)—he asked me to sell them for him, and I sold them to Charley, "the baked taterman," as I call him, for 2s., 6d. the same night, and came back and gave the 2s. 6d. to the prisoner—I did not hear any conversation between Baker and Curly before I took the boots out to sell——the following day, Saturday, Emily Matthews gave me a pair of ladies' boots mended on one toe to pawn; that was in the small kitchen; the prisoner was there—these are the boots—(produced)—I pawned them for 1s. by St. George's Church—I gave the money and the ticket to Emily Matthews—the prisoner was absent then—on the 6th or 7th the prisoner gave me a ticket of a meerschaum pipe to sell—I sold it for 6d. to the potman at the Windsor Castle public-house and gave the money to the prisoner—I remember on 10th March being in the kitchen about 12 at night—Emily Matthews came in crying, and walked right through the big kitchen into the small kitchen and sat on the small seat by the side of the fireplace; she spoke to me; the prisoner was absent—I afterwards saw him at 20 minutes past 12 come into the lodging-house; I went to him and said "Baker, Clark is found murdered in a ditch, and Louie is over there crying"—Matthews was called Lou or Louie—Baker walked round to her and said "Let's be certain, Chick, for if it is true I reckon I shall get the rope; go and fetch me the evening's paper at Mr. Mumford's "—he gave me a penny, and I went to Mr. Mumford's at the Union public-house in Mint Street and got the paper—I won't be certain what paper it was—I took it and gave it to Baker, and Emily Matthews handed me 8d.; she said "Chick, go and pay for my double bed and fetch a bit of candle"—I took the 8d. and gave it to the deputy, and asked for a bit of candle, and asked her to open the door because Louie wanted to go to bed—as soon as the door was open Lou and Baker went up to bed and took the paper with them—between the day Baker showed me his trousers and the 10th he said nothing to me, but I heard him say in the kitchen openly that he had heard from a chap named Nuuney, who was fully committed to take his trial—he said "Clark is fullied, and he

sends out his best respects to his old woman and me"—fullied means fully committed.

Cross-examined. Emily Matthews was present at the conversation on 10th March in which rope was mentioned—she sat on a form beside the prisoner, alongside of the fireplace in the little kitchen—she was closer to him than I was—there was only room for two on the seat, and I was sitting on the corner of the table—she was about half a yard from him—I believe he was talking to her and me at the same time—I said before the Magistrate that they began talking about it—the boots were cleaned I by the shoeblack after they had been washed by me—they did not go out of my sight till I gave them to the prisoner; he wrapped them in a I piece of paper and I pawned them.

WILLIAM WOOLRIDGE . I am known by the nickname of Curly—I am a labourer living at this lodging-house, 30, Mint Street—I had known the prisoner about four or five weeks before 2nd March, by the name of Jack Baker—I also knew the dead man Enoch Clark about I three or four months—we were all living in the same house—I last saw Clark alive on the afternoon of 2nd March, about 2 o'clock, sitting in the kitchen of the lodging-house—I went out with my basket selling primroses and left him there—on 20th March I went with Inspector Dodd to Colney Hatch Cemetery, and there saw the dead body of Enoch Clark—Clark and the prisoner were companions, they usually went out together—about 10.30 on the morning of the 3rd I was in the kitchen at Mint Street—there were several of us there—the prisoner came in; he showed us a knife, each side of which came apart, and one contained a knife' and one a fork—it was a combination knife—he said "This is a funny sort of knife"—I did not take it in my-hand; I looked at it—the blade was about six inches long, coming up to a sharp point—I went out of the kitchen leaving him there—I came back about 3 o'clock in the afternoon, and I then saw the prisoner talking to Checkley, whom they called Chick—he said "Never mind, Chick, here is Curly, ho has got a basket"—he said to me "Do you want to earn a 1s. or 1s. 6d., Curly? I said "Yes"—he said "Well, come on then"—at that time he had on an old pair of low ankle shoes, cut up the centre, and a blue Guernsey under his waistcoat—we both went out together, I carrying my basket, along the Borough, into a coffee-tavern opposite the Borough Market—we had cocoa, sausage, and bread and butter—while there the prisoner said "Have you got a piece of string for to do up my shoes?"—I told him I had none, but I would get him a piece, and I got him a piece at the bar—he tied his shoes up with it—from the coffee-tavern we went to Moorgate Street Station—he took two third-class tickets to East End, Finchley, and we went by train, arriving at Finchley about 5 o'clock—we went along a road until we came to a place where there were some gipsies, on the right-hand side of the road—we walked past them till we came to the corner of the lane, and there was a ditch in front of me—the sides of the ditch were strutted lip, and he walked across the struts with my basket into the field, leaving me on the other side—he walked right over to the corner of the wood—I don't know the name of the wood; it is the same wood I afterwards went to with Inspector Dodd—I there lost sight of him—I remained where he left me for about half an hour, and he came back to me—he had the basket; the top of it was covered with leaves—he told me they were boots—I could not say what

time it was when he came back—he gave me the basket full of boots to carry to the station, and also a black flute, silver-mounted, in three pieces, which I put in my pocket—we went back down a different road, across some fields, opposite the Alexandra Palace, to a railway station, and he asked for two single tickets to Farringdon and we got in the train—in the train he asked me for the flute back again; he put it together, blew it, and returned it to me—from the station I carried the basket of boots and the flute in my pocket, and we both went to the house in Mint Street together—the prisoner took the basket with the boots into the washhouse and gave me 1s. 6d.—he put the basket underneath the bench—that night, about 10 o'clock, I saw the basket empty—on several occasions between the 3rd and the day of the prisoner's arrest I heard the people living in the lodging-house ask the prisoner where Clark was—he said "Clark is locked up and remanded for a week "—on the 20th I went with Dodd to Finchley, and pointed out to him the road we had taken from the station to the ditch, the ditch where the prisoner had crossed, and the corner of the wood where I had seen the prisoner disappear—I did not notice the prisoner's boots when he returned from the wood, but when we got home in the kitchen I noticed he had got a pair of spring-side boots on.

Cross-examined. I don't know how many gipsies were encamped at the corner—I only saw one woman—I noticed two little huts there—I carried the basket myself all the way—we went back from Wood Green Station.

WALTER BRINKLEY . I make up wirework and travel about the country with a van—on a Saturday at the beginning of March I was encamped with the van at a place called Irish Corner, near the Small-pox Hospital at Colney Hatch—my uncle, James Brinkley, and Thomas Smith were with me encamped there—in the evening we went-into the wood close by there to look for a pony which had got loose—I and my uncle went in, Smith was outside—it was between 5 and 6 o'clock when we got in the wood—we looked for the pony—I saw a man lying dead there—I called my uncle's attention to it—I did not go up to the body or touch it—I was seven or eight yards from it—nobody touched it—I and my uncle went to the Small-pox Hospital and spoke to the porter there—he returned with us to the wood, and I went up with him to the body—it was not touched—we all went away and I spoke to a policeman, Plowman 298—my uncle took him into the wood and showed him the body—I afterwards fetched the inspector from Wood Green Station—I afterwards saw the body when the doctors were there—I did not know the man at all.

Cross-examined. I have camped at Irish Corner before—it is a place were gipsies camp a good deal—I know Coppett's Wood—I knew it before this day—I had not been in it before—I don't know if the gypsies about there deal in clothes pegs—I don't know that the wood there is suited for clothes pegs. Re-examined, I know nothing about making clothes pegs.

By the COURT. I don't know what Saturday in March it was—we had only come there the day before.

JAMES BRINKLEY . I am a tin and iron worker, and travel about the country with my van—we were camped at Irish Corner on Saturday, 4th or 6th March—I went with my nephew to the wood to look for the pony, and my nephew called my attention to the dead body—we did not

touch it—my brother-in-law, Smith, was outside the wood in the field where the horses were—I communicated with the porter at the Smallpox Hospital, and he came—afterwards a constable came and I showed him the body—up to the time the constable came the body had not been moved or touched—I did not know the man—only I and my nephew and Smith were encamped there—we got there on Friday afternoon—the women were out working.

Cross-examined. I had been in the wood before Christmas, but not before on this occasion—the gipsies deal in basket-work—I do not think wood for baskets could be got in Coppett's Wood, I don't know, nor do I know about clothes pegs.

Re-examined. Smith had his wife and daughters with him in the van.

CHARLES PLOWMAN (Policeman Y 298). On Saturday, 4th March, one of the last witnesses came to my house at New Southgate, and I at once went to Coppett's Wood, near Irish Corner—I went into it, and saw the body of a man lying there between two trees, on his back, dead—one of the two Brinkleys pointed it out to me—he had no hat on; no handkerchief round the neck, but was dressed in other respects, except part of the right hand side of the vest, which was torn away and missing; the shirt was open down the front from the collar, and the coat was lying back; the shirt over the right side of the body, over the breast, was saturated with blood; the left arm was thrown out from the body, the right was pressed to the right side—I noticed one wound on the throat at that time—the left side of the face was covered with blood; that was all I noticed at that time—I sent for Dr. Langford, and remained by the body till the doctor and the inspector came; neither I nor anybody touched it in the meantime—when the doctor came, after the body had been examined by Inspector Bullock and the doctor I searched the ground round about—this was about 9 o'clock; it was quite dark—I found first a hat and this empty hamper (produced) close together, about 30 yards from the body; that was all I found that night—the body was removed to the Baldfaced Stag at Finchley—the next morning, Sunday, 5th, I went I to the wood after daylight between 7 and 7.30—I searched the wood near where the body was found—I found these old shoes with string in them, about 90 yards from where the body had been lying, in the direction of Irish Corner—at the same place I found a quantity of plate, a pair of plated candlesticks, a toast-rack, six wine-bottles, four empty, two full—the two full were sealed in the ordinary way; some pieces of glass, which appeared to be part of a broken bottle—the boots were exposed; the other things were covered with leaves near the boots—I could see them through the leaves without moving the leaves—it appeared as if they had been covered up and the leaves had been blown away; you could just discern them through the leaves—I could not tell what had been in the bottles—I did not smell them or disturb them—I also found the missing portion of the vest covered up with leaves at the foot of a tree—I produce it; it appears as if it had been torn away; it corresponds with the waistcoat the deceased was wearing; it was about 20 yards from where the body was lying; that was also iu the direction of Irish Corner from the body, between the plate and the body—I also found this gravy-spoon, two pairs of ladies boots, and 11 wax candles at the foot of the tree covered up with leaves, about 20 yards from the body, and 12 from where I found the portion of the vest, in the direction

of Irish Corner—the boots and gravy spoon were completely covered with leaves; a small portion of the vest was visible through the leaves—I also found this snuff-box or mull 15 feet from where the body lay; that was in a line with the body, in the direction of Finchley; only a small point of it was visible—close beside the mull there was a line of blood, commencing about 23 feet from the body, and extending past the mull to the body—there appeared to be more blood 23 feet from the body, the leaves were stuck together; it gradually grew fainter, ending in a few spots near the body—I could see blood at daylight where the body was lying—this piece of bark (produced) had been freshly cut off one tree about 5 feet up—it was found about 6 feet from the body—a mark was left on the tree, and I found it about 5 feet from the tree, which was about 20 yards from the gravy spoon, boots, and candles—I tried the bark to the mark on the tree, and it fitted—the body lay between that tree and another—the tree from which it had been taken was not more than a foot from the deceased's feet—next morning I saw another tree with a very small piece of bark off it, not so large as this, also about 5 feet from the ground.

By the COURT. That tree was near where th? candlesticks and toast-rack were found—no bark was taken off the second tree near which the body lay; the tree which was barked was in the direction of Irish Corner, and the body lay with its feet towards Irish Corner—if you took a line from the barked tree at the feet of the body and the barked tree where the plate was, you would find the body between the two barked trees.

By MR. POLAND. It is a wood properly so called—the ground is generally covered with leaves-—I saw no remains of food—I saw no part of the ground where the blood had been disturbed.

Cross-examined, I was at the inquest, but not present when the witnesses were examined—I have been in the neighbourhood of Finchley 11 years—I knew Coppett's Wood before this; it is private property, but no one is placed in control of it; it is 5 or 6 acres in extent—the wind had blown the leaves away, and exposed the plate to the eye just a little—the plate was behind the second notched tree in the direction of Friern Barnet, between the tree and the body—the first tree, where the big piece was cut off, was nearer the body—it was more towards Friern Park that I saw the plate—if you start from the first tree it would not be in the direction of Friern Barnet; if you start from the second tree it would be—the plate and hamper were 30 yards from the body.

JOHN BULLOCK (Police Inspector Y). On 4th March, in consequence of information, I went to Coppett's Wood, and saw the dead body of a man—Dr. Langford was present—I searched the clothing, and found in the coat pocket this pair of gloves (produced), and under the body was this scarf, saturated with blood—next day, on making further search, I found a book of cigarette papers on the spot where the body was lying.

CHARLES DODD (Police Inspector Y). On Sunday, 5th March, I went to Coppett's Wood with Inspector Bullock and Sergeant Lucas; I found Plowman there, who pointed out a spot between two trees as the place where the body was found, where a considerable quantity of blood had soaked into the ground for several inches—between that spot and a tree a few yards off four empty wine bottles were picked up; two of them were broken, and one of them very much so—I also found 36 spoons.

a pair of candlesticks, toast-rack, sugar-tongs, two'corked bottles full of wine, and some other articles, all of which Mr. Hill identified—this is one of the bottles; they were not all the same shape—I noticed the tree near where the property was found; a place had been cut on it about 5 feet from the ground, and there was a similar mark on the tree near where the body was found—I also found these shoes (produced) near the tree where the property was, in the same state as they now are, cut down the front and tied with string—I went to the Baldfaced Stag later in the day and saw the dead body of a man there, and Sergeant Lucas and I took from it a pair of socks and a pair of boots—I took them to Mr. Hill's house, and compared the boots with some footprints in the mould of the garden, and they corresponded—I also noticed other foot I prints which did not correspond with the boots, so that there were tracks! of two persons—on 17th March I was at Southwark Police-station with Inspector Fox when the prisoner was brought in by Sergeant Harvey; he had on a pair of side-spring boots, which he was wearing at the last examination—I went with Fox to Wood Green Station when the prisoner was thereon the 17th, and charged him with wilful murder. (The charge teas, being concerned with Enoch Clark in a burglary at Mr. Hill's house, and also with wilfully murdering the said Enoch Clark in Cobbet's Wood.) This charge was read over to the prisoner; he made no reply—3l. 12s. 3½d. was found on him, and a handkerchief and a leather nurse—his coat was taken from him and handed to Inspector Fox; he was stripped and examined by Sergeant Harvey, and I carefully examined his body all over, but found no marks of violence, but on his right thigh there Were a few scratches, very slight, just in the front; I should say that they arose from some skin irritation by the look of them; they appeared to be of recent date—on 20th March I went with Curly to the East End Railway Station, Finchley, "and he pointed out the place where he stood while the prisoner went into the wood across the struts—the plate was found between two trees which are about 7 feet from each other; it was lying at the foot of each tree hid by the leaves, a portion at one tree and a portion at the other—these two trees were at a distance of 90 yards, in a direction towards Irish Corner from the place where the body was found, and between those two trees the pair of shoes was lying on the leaves within 7 feet of them—anybody entering the wood from Irish Corner would see the tree where the bark was cut off—going into the wood you would be attracted by the blaze on the tree as soon as you got within a visible distance—the marks on this plan are correct—this is the Gipsies' Corner; the red dotted marks are the footmarks—the plan is made to scale, and the measurements are marked on it—on 29th March I went again with Curly to Irish Corner—he showed me a way across the fields to the Wood Green Railway Station, leaving the Alexandra Palace on the right—I measured the distance from Mr. Hill's to Coppett's Wood; it is 1,190 yards to the nearest side of Coppett's Wood, and from that spot to where the body was lying is about 80 yards, making a total of 1,270 yards from Mr. Hill's—the distance from where the body was found at the south-western corner of the wood in the Irish Corner direction is 170 yards, and from the boundary of the wood in that direction at Irish Corner to the spot where Curly stood when he went with the prisoner on the Friday is 246 yards—it is about 300 yards from Irish Corner to where the gipsies were

encamped on March 9—I saw no marks of blood on the boots—I produce all the clothes.

Cross-examined. Entering from Irish Corner the distance to the stream is 80 yards, and there are a number of trees before you reach the notched tree—the distance from the notched tree to the trees where the body 'lay is about 90 yards, and to reach the trees where the body lay you would pursue your course through the wood, passing tree after tree till you came to the spot—it would be impossible to see the one spot from the other, as between the two there was the overgrowth of the trees and the undergrowth of the shrubs—there was no beaten track to where the plate was; what I speak of can scarcely be called a footpath; it was overgrown by shrubs and trees, and there were a good many trees—Mr. Hill identified the socks—prior to the prisoner's arrest inquiries were made at the hospitals all through London to see if any one had come in injured on or about March 3, as it was imagined that the person engaged in the struggle must have been very seriously injured—I should think the irritation on the prisoner's thigh had been there very much less than 16 days—he had been in custody some hours when I saw him at Wood Green—I was present at the inquest, and heard the evidence—Benjamin Outing was examined on the Tuesday after the recovery of the body—there was a shirt and a neck handkerchief both saturated in blood—they are here, but they have been washed.

WILLIAM THOMPSON (Police Inspector S). On 3rd March I went to Mr. Hill's house at Friern Park, and traced the footmarks in the garden of two persons—there had been a white frost during the night, and I was able to trace the marks outside the garden down to the corner as you come out of the garden and turn to the left; the marks then went past the shed and through two fields down to the corner of Wood House Lane, where there is a gap—I did not trace the marks across the gap.

KATE EGAN . I am a laundress, of 30, Mint Street—on 3rd March Emily Matthews, whom I know as Lou Clark, gave me two tablecloths to pawn, and I pawned them at Mr. Amhurst's, 221, High Street, Borough, for 3s., and gave the money to her at the time.

THOMAS GONN . I am clerk to Mr. Amhurst, of 221, High Street, Borough—I produce two tablecloths pawned by Kate Egan on 3rd March, and a pair of ladies' boots pawned by Checkley on 4th March in the name of Smith, and a pair of boy's boots on 4th March by a woman giving the name of Jane Harris.

GEORGE HOLMES . I am clerk to Mr. Butterfield, a pawnbroker, of 110, Great Suffolk Street—I produce 12 volumes of Shakespeare pawned for 4s. on 4th March by a woman in the name of Jane Smith.

GEORGE GONN . I am assistant to Mr. Barnett, a pawnbroker, of Blackfriars Road—I produce a meerschaum pipe and case pawned by Checkley for 3s. on 3rd March in the name of Checkley.

FREDERICK FINCH . I am barman at the Fountain Gate, Mint Street, Borough—on 6th March the prisoner brought me a pawn ticket for a pair of boots; he said they were new, and would fit me—he wanted It. for the ticket; I gave him 6d. for it, and told him I would give him 2s. more if they fitted me—I took them out of pawn, and afterwards gave them to Inspector Fox—they were pawned just opposite my house.

RICHARD STEVENS (Police Sergeant M). From what Checkley said to me I went to a man named Charley Bradford on 17th March at a baked potato place in Mint Street—he was wearing this pair of nailed shooting boots—I told him they were stolen, and asked him to go with me to the station, where he took them off.

MATTHEW FOX (Police Inspector M). I received this photograph of the deceased man Clark on 15th March—I showed it to Emily Matthews on the 16th, and on the 17th I took the prisoner in custody, and took possession of the coat he was wearing—I noticed that he was wearing side-spring boots—I gave the coat to Mr. Pepper, but the prisoner continued to wear the boots—I received a waistcoat and a woollen guernsey from James Smith on the evening of the 17th; that is Muffin Jack; I gave them to Mr. Pepper on 21st March—I got some button boots with green lining from Frederick Finch, and gave them to Mr. Pepper on the 23rd—I also gave him a small tablecloth which I got at Amhurst's.

Cross-examined. 100l. reward was offered in the pawnbrokers' list for the apprehension of anybody who had been engaged in the transaction—there was no placard; that list was supplied to pawnbrokers, and they were requested if they saw anything of this stolen property to retain it—it was for their private information; the police also knew of the offer of the reward; the list passes from the police to the pawnbrokers—a placard was also printed and was ready, but it was not issued—it was after the reward had been issued that the waistcoat and Guernsey were brought to me by Muffin Jack.

ALFRED ALCOCK (Police Sergeant Y). I had charge of the dead body of a man lying at the Baldfaced Stag, Finchley, from 5th March till it was buried at the Great Northern Cemetery on 10th March—I was present on 20th March when it was exhumed, and when it was seen by Emily Matthews, William Wool ridge and Constable Fox—I was present when the photograph was taken on the 6th; this is it; it is correct.

ARTHUR Fox. I knew Enoch Clark eight or nine months before his death living in Mint Street, Borough, and going by the name of Clarky—on 20th March I saw his dead body at the Great Northern Cemetery—Matthews, Curly, and Inspector Dodd were present.

Cross-examined. I have seen him with one or more convicted thieves, but I don't think he had ever been convicted.

AUGUSTUS JOSEPH PEPPEB , F. B. C. S. I am examiner in forensic medicine at the University of London, and surgeon at St. Mary's Hospital—Dr. Langford and I saw the body of Enoch Clark at the Baldfaced Stag, Finchley, on 7th March—he was a strong man, about 5 feet 9 inches, and of a muscular frame—there was an old scar on the left arm—he was from 20 to 25 years old—no decomposition had then set in—there were nineteen wounds on the body, all made during life, three of which were mortal; one on the right side of the chest penetrated the right ventricle of the heart, the heart-case being quite filled with blood; it was in the fourth space between the ribs, and was about two inches deep; it was a stab; a sharp-pointed knife would do it—the second wound was in the lower side of the chest on the right side, passing through the liver into the vena cava, the large vein of the abdomen; that had led to copious bleeding—that also had been inflicted by a knife or a sharp-pointed instrument—the third had opened the internal jugular

vein; and there were four wounds in the neck, six in the back, three in the left forearm, two in the chest, one on the lower lip, one on the left temple dididing the temporal artery, one on the back of the right hand, and one in front of the right thigh—they varied from a half-inch to an inch in length, and they had all been produced by some sharp instrument, and four of them by an instrument at least from three to four inches long—the three wounds on the left arm were just above the wrist, as if he had put up his hand to protect his throat—I have seen a case before where the ventricle of the heart was penetrated, when a man shot himself, after which he shot another charge into his brain, and lived twenty minutes, but it is quite uncertain how long a man would live—the abrasions were made during life on the head, neck, and wrists—the one over the left temple might have been produced by falling against any hard body—there was one abrasion on the back which was made post mortem; that was probably done in removing the body—he was quite healthy—there was considerable effusion of blood over the surface of the brain and into the cavities; that was probably the result of excitement, and I should think of a struggle—I have seen death result from excitement alone, or combined with a struggle; mental and physical excitement would do it—there was some half-digested-food in the stomach, vegetable pulp and the skin of stone fruit—that had been taken not more than two hours before death—I saw some cuts through the clothes alleged to have been removed from the body, which corresponded in size and position with some of the wounds—the clothes would not necessarily prevent the blood spurting—if he had a tightly fitting dress it most likely would not spurt—there was one dividing the temporal artery, and of course there were no clothes there; that would certainly spurt; the others might or might not—on 20th March I saw the body in the cemetery; the features were quite easily recognised—on March 28rd I received from Inspectors Fox and Dodd, a black diagonal cutaway coat and waistcoat, and a pair of button boots full sized, a blue guernsey, and a clean white tablecloth there was one spot of blood on the right flap of the coat behind quite at the back; it was quite dry—that was undoubtedly blood of a mammal; I applied the modern tests and speak without hesitation—I can't say how long it had been there, but I should say some days; I examined it a few hours afterwards—blood will wear off, and can be readily scratched or brushed off, but the ribs of diagonal cloth would make it more likely that the globule would be preserved—there were some stains on the waistcoat from nitric acid, which is used for testing metals—there was no trace of blood on the guernsey—I do not think the marks would rub off in wearing, but they might be intentionally removed—there was a red stain on the toe of one of the boots which was not blood; I can't say what it was—if blood had been rubbed off with a rag, and the boots cleaned with blacking I should not find it—I scraped them and found no blood—the cloth was quite clean except some stains left after washing; it had been washed, but there were some dark stains of port or something of that kind; it was not blood—a man after receiving such wounds as I have spoken of might live for twenty minutes, but any one of the three fatal wounds would weaken him, and he would not be able to make much resistance, the shock would be so great—he died from his injuries.

Cross-examined. The cause of death was pressure of blood on the brain,

not the immediate loss of blood—my analysis was most careful; the spot of blood on the coat could be covered by the top of the little finger—I can't say whether it was human blood—the wounds were made during life—I heard Dr. Langford examined before the Magistrate, and agree with him generally, but there are parts in which I slightly disagree with him—on my first examination of the man I took him to be from 20 to 25 years of age—I stated that the effusion of blood over the surface of the brain was probably the result of excitement such as would be produced by a violent personal struggle; it might be caused otherwise; that was what I said before the Coroner—I stated before the Magistrate "Assuming that the deceased was perfectly healthy and sober at the time, the apoplectic appearance in my opinion would only ha? e arisen from a severe mental or physical struggle, especially at the age of the deceased"—the deceased was a perfectly healthy man—there was no evidence one way or the other of his having been drinking—I saw scratches on the deceased's left hand and wrist and a bruise on the forehead—the scratches were such as might have been caused by finger-nails.

By the JURY. It is possible that the deceased might have been drinking immediately before his death and his stomach show no indication of it; but not strong spirits—if he had taken beer two hours before, it might have passed away—I think alcohol in a concentrated form would probably have remained in a sufficient quantity for detection—there was no trace of red wine—there was a complete absence of anything in the shape of alcohol, either in colour or smell—if it had been taken on an empty stomach within an hour of death, it might have disappeared; but if taken with food it might be seen—there was a considerable quantity of food; it was all in a pulpy state, nearly half a flint of half-digested food—I think the wound in the neck was probably done when he was standing up, because it went quite transversely from one side of the neck to the other—that would not be necessarily so; that is my opinion—it was more likely to be done while standing; of course, the man might lie on the ground and be stabbed in the neck—there was nothing to indicate with any degree of certainty either way as to any of them—they might all have been produced while lying down or while standing up, assuming that the assailant was the same size and height as he was.

PHINEAS PITT LANGFORD . I am M. D. and M. B. C. S. at Finchley—on 4th March about half-past 8 o'clock in the evening, one of the Brinkleys came to me—in consequence of what he said I went to Irish Corner, and into a wood, where I found the dead body of a man, and police-constable Plowman standing by it—the body was cold—he appeared to have been dead some 20 hours—it is difficult to say accurately as to that—I examined the body by the aid of the light of the constable's lantern—the shirt was open at the neck and chest, as if torn open—there was no scarf round the neck—the shirt was saturated with blood, chiefly at the back—I found four stabs about the throat—the body was removed to the Baldfaced Stag in my carriage—I left it there, and on the following Tuesday I and Dr. Pepper made a post-mortem examination—there were wounds and scratches on the face and neck—there was a wound on the right side, between the eighth and ninth ribs, and another on the left side between the fourth and fifth ribs, two inches below the nipple, as described by Dr. Pepper—they appeared to have been done

by a blade, apparently from half to three-quarters of an inch wide dagger, pointed, and from four to six inches in length—three of these wounds must have been fatal; there were others that might have been if they had been left unattended—my report agrees with Dr. Pepper's.

Cross-examined. The cause of death was probably exhaustion, consequent upon the loss of blood, and from the shock—enough blood had been lost to occasion death from exhaustion—the wound which penetrated the heart might have been fatal within a minute or so—I think that was the opinion I gave before the Magistrate, and it is my opinion to-day, within some few minutes—I meant by causing death that it would incapacitate the man entirely—even though he might live on he would be perfectly helpless and unable to do anything, unable to move or offer any resistance—the effusion of blood covering the brain might have been caused by excitement in the struggle, or from drink, provided drink had been taken—there was no appearance of the presence of drink—all the organs of the body were healthy—it was the body of a very muscular man—I think I was asked if more than one person might have been engaged in the struggle with the deceased, and I think I said that might have been the case; but I did not give it as a fact—there was nothing to prove the contrary—I gave it upon being pressed in cross-examination—it was not really my opinion that there was more than one person, but there might probably have been more than one—I gave it as my opinion before the Coroner that death was caused by loss of blood from the injuries received, which were quite sufficient to cause death, and that the effusion on the brain might have arisen from congestion during the struggle.

Re-examined. The congestion of the brain from the struggle would be due to excitement—any excitement might have caused the same thing, mental or physical exertion, or from a blow or shock, or a combination of the whole three—extreme mental excitement might cause the congestion of the brain—excessive terror would do it—what I said before the Magistrate was in cross-examination, that from the appearance of the body and the clothing there might have been more than one person engaged in the struggle with the deceased—I meant to say that there was no evidence to the contrary—there might have been two or three people, or a dozen, but there was nothing inconsistent with its having been done by one person.

ELIZABETH MONK . I was in the service of Mr. William Alexander Hill, of St. Albans Villa, Friern Park, Finchley—on Thursday night, 2nd March, my master was away from home—my mistress and the children were living in the house—I fastened up the doors and windows and shutters, and went to bed at 10.40 p.m., leaving all safe—I heard nothing during the night—I came down about 7 o'clock next morning; I found the doors in the dining and drawing rooms open, the cupboards open, and things scattered about the floor—there was a small plate-chest in the dining-room—that was on the table open, and the things taken from it—the side-door of the house was open—the thieves had got in at the back kitchen window by forcing the hasp off—I have seen all the plate produced to-day; it is my master's property, and was taken that night—one of these tablecloths was in the table drawer in the kitchen, and the other in the dining-room—this pair of black gloves belongs to one of Mr. Hill's sons; also a pair of socks of my master's was taken which were

found on Clark—there was a flute-box in the drawing-room—the flute had silver or metal keys to it—that was taken out of the case and the case left on the table empty—I missed some wax candles, and 12 or 13 pairs of ladies' and gentlemen's boots, a snuff-mull, 12 volumes of Shakespeare, and a hamper—this is the hamper (produced)—some wine and spirits were taken, but I don't know how much—I never saw the combination knife and fork—12 dessert knives and forks were taken—I know some of these boots; two pairs of these belong to Mr. Hill's daughters—I missed some plum jam, which was taken out of the cupboard and eaten in the kitchen, also some cheese and cocoa.

WILLIAM ALEXANDER HILL . I am a merchant, living at St. Albans Villa—on 4th March I returned home, and missed a quantity of property—I have looked through all the property now in the possession of the police, and identify it as mine—I know this meerschaum pipe and snuff-mull; these button boots with green lining are mine, and these shooting-boots belong to my son; a cigarette book very similar to this was missed—I cannot swear to it—I missed 10 bottles of sherry, port, and claret, and a bottle of rum—I have been shown one full bottle and some empty ones similar to those I missed—the only things not produced are 12 dessert knives and forks, a silver fork and spoon in a case, a flute, and a combination knife and fork, that was plated; it had two little studs on the inside corresponding with two holes in the plate on the other side, and when opened one half was a knife and the other half a fork; the blade was about 4 inches long, sharp at the point, and about half an inch wide; for about 3£ inches it was parallel, but for about £ inch or 3l. 4 inch it tapered to a point; the point of the blade was about 1l. 2 inch—some of the plate produced has a monogram on it and some the letter "H"—the 12 knives and forks had no crest or monogram; the flute had no mark on it; it had silver keys and rings and mouthpiece.

Cross-examined. The blade of the combination knife had two edges to it; the back was thicker than the back of an ordinary knife; it only had one edge; it had nothing to keep it back when it was opened—if used for the purpose of stabbing it might close upon the hand; it would depend upon how it was used—about 50l. of property altogether was taken.

He-examined. The back of the knife would be the thickness of the middle of an ordinary table-knife—the part where it began to taper was thinner than the back, and the point was sharp.

GEORGE HARVEY (Police Sergeant M). On 17th March I went with two other officers to the White Bear public-house, King William Street, City—I there caw the witness Emily Matthews—she came out of the house, and the prisoner came out shortly afterwards out of another door—I laid hold of him, and said "I want you"—I and a brother officer then took him across the road into a paper shop and handcuffed him—I said "Do you know me?"—he said "No"—I said I am Harvey, the detective; I arrest you for the murder of your mate Clark in Finchley Woods"—he said "That is what you say; you have got to prove that"—I took him out of the shop towards London Bridge; going along some boy annoyed him by coming and looking in his face, and he refused to walk, and I had to get a cab to take him to the station—I searched him there, and found on him a purse and 3l., 13s., 31l. 2,—I examined his boots, and found they were spring-side boots—I found no knife upon him.

WILLIAM THOMPSON (Re-examined). I was the inspector on this district

where this matter occurred—there was a horse patrol there on duty on the night of Thursday, 2nd March, up to 12 o'clock—he had to be at Finchley Police-station at 10 o'clock to get the despatch-bag and convey it to the Barnet Police-station—he would arrive there about 10.45, and then work his way by New Barnet to Whetstone Police-station, where he would put his horse into the stable and report himself to the officer on duty; that would close his day's work—he would pass the top of Friern Park after leaving Finchley Station about 20 minutes past 10 o'clock—his name is Williams—he would resume his duty again next day—he had been on the sick-list for some time—he is able to attend now, and could be here on Monday morning.

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate. "I confess to the burglary. I confessed from the first, but I deny the murder or being any way connected with it. "

EMILY MATTHEWS (Re-examined by MR. MATHEWS). I do not remember the prisoner saying to me, or in my hearing, anything about his getting the rope—I did not hear him say anything of the kind to Checkley—I remember crying, but I don't remember such a statement—on all occasions the prisoner has denied in my presence that he has ever injured Clark—at the time Clark left on the afternoon of the 2nd March he was wearing socks of his own; new, ones that had never been washed—I do not remember lending the prisoner a pair of trousers the week after the 3rd March—I do not remember his splitting some trousers that he was wearing while he was larking in the kitchen, and his giving me those trousers, and my mending them.

By MR. POLAND. I do not remember what night it was that I was crying; it was between 12 and 12.30,1 think—I went into the kitchen; I can't tell what I was crying about; it was on account of seeing the paper—that was the paper I mentioned before, about the identification of the man as Peter Butler—Checkley was there; I don't think I spoke to him—I was not aware then that the body of Clark had been found—I saw in the paper that a body had been found—I knew nothing about Peter Butler—I can't say what I was crying about; it was the same day that I read about the identification of Peter Butler—I think I did mention something to Checkley; I am not positive—they sent out for the paper after that—the prisoner said "Let's be sure"—the people in the kitchen said something about the finding of the body, and the prisoner said "Let's be sure it is Clark;" nothing more—Checkley went for the paper, and brought it back—I gave him 8d. to pay for the double bed for Baker and me—I can't remember if he got a candle; I think I got it myself; I am not certain—the beds have to be paid for before they are used, and the keeper of the lodging-house then allows you to go to the bedroom—I did go to bed that night with Baker—I took the paper upstairs that Checkley had bought, and read it that night upstairs—he did not read it out to me; I read it afterwards myself—I cannot tell you what night that was; it was on the Tuesday, I think—I think the 14th or 15th was the last night that we slept at Mint Street—I read the paper myself; it was not about finding the body of Clark, it was a man between 25 and 30 as described in the paper—it was the Evening Standard—I did not notice what edition—the socks that Clark was wearing he had put on that morning—they were not new that morning; I had bought them for him on the Tuesday—I have never seen them since.

EDWIN WEBB (Policeman AR 302). I was a mounted patrol on Thursday night, 2nd March—I started at 7 o'clock, and went along Friern Lane, Summers Lane, Woodhouse Lane, and Friern Park—I patrolled North Finchley, and left there at 9 p.m.—it was about half-past 8 o'clock when I was in the neighbourhood of Friern Park—I got to Finchley Station about 10 o'clock, and returned back to Barnet at 11 o'clock—I left Finchley at 10 p.m., and came back to Whetstone—I was not near Friern Park after half-past 10 o'clock.

Cross-examined. There are two horse patrols about Whetstone, but not in the immediate neighbourhood of Friern Park, only myself.

By the COURT. I did not see two men, one of whom I collared or attempted to collar—I was not in company with a constable who collared one of the two men—no man was assaulted or hit with a bottle, or anything, in my presence; nothing of the sort.

CHARLES FXOWMAN (Re-examined). I found the right side of the vest lying at the foot of a tree on the Irish Corner side of the body, about 20 yards from the body and nearly 20 feet from the line of blood, as near as I can judge; I did not measure it—this is it {produced)—I looked, but did not see any marks of blood on it—I did not take particular notice; I did not hand it to anybody to examine.

AUGUSTUS JOSEPH PEPPER (Re-examined), There was one wound on the right side, going into the liver; that would have gone through this waistcoat if it was buttoned—there is no mark on it. (The right tide only of the waistcoat was produced.) I can only say that the wounds had been produced by a sharp-pointed instrument.

GUILTY of manslaughter .— Penal Servitude for Life .

OLD COURT.—Monday, May 5th, Tuesday, May 9th, Wednesday, May 10th, Thursday, May 11th, Friday, May 12th, Saturday, May 13th, and Monday, May 15th, 1882.

Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.

Reference Number: t18820501-516

516. VICTOR TREVELLI (44), ROBERT ALFRED WELHAM (54), JOHN HENRY KENDRICK (35), JOHN TATTERSFIELD (23), JOHN SCHNEIDER (64), HUGH HILLER (43), DANIEL ERNEY, alias WOOD (28), RALPH FREDERICK GARTH (42), SAMUEL JACOBI, alias JANSEN (47), HENRY CHARLES LORENZ (36), and CHARLES EDMUND HULME WRIGHT (33) , Unlawfully obtaining goods from John Home and other persons by false pretences, also for a conspiracy to defraud.


MESSRS. FILLAN and LEVEY appeared for Tatters field and Schneider; MR. O'CONNOR POWER for Hiller; MR. TATLOCX for Garth; MESSRS. FRITH, DRTJMMOND, and CANNOT for Jacobi; MR. CLURE for Lorenz; and MR. J. H. REDMAN for Wright.

DANIEL MORGAN (Police Inspector X). On 2nd November, 1881, I received a telegram from Mr. Zeffat, and went and saw him at 12, Sunning dale Place—he showed me some braids and buttons, and I went into another room, saw the prisoner Trevelli, and said "I am an inspector of police; I have been told you have deposited a quantity of braids and buttons with Mr. Zeffat for an advance or sale; what is your name?"

he said "Hamilton Gordon; I trade at 24, Martin's Lane, City"—I said "Where did you get them from?" he said "I shall decline to tell you, you have no right to ask me"—I said "Will you show me the invoice?" he said "No, I will Dot"—I said "I know you by the name of Victor Trevelli. I was present at the Old Bailey in March, 1877, when you were sentenced to five years' penal servitude for forgery; that is my reason. I have known you and your associates for the last 8 or 10 years, that is why I want to know where you got the goods from;" he said "I shall report you for unnecessarily interfering with me"—he showed me an invoice in the name of Hamilton Gordon and Co. relating to these goods, in which the sale price of the goods to him was 38l. 14s. 8d. but I did not keep it—I said "You have offered these goods for sale for 35l. and asked for an advance of 30l., which is beneath the price invoiced to you; that, coupled with the fact that I have known you so long, causes me to ask you these questions;" he said that he would take the goods away—I said that if he took them out of the house I should charge him with unlawful possession of them, and asked him who the man was who was waiting outside for him; he said "I shall not tell you"—I pressed him further as to who the owner of the goods was, and he said "The man outside"—that was a German clerk named Frater, who I had seen in Trevelli's office—I fetched him, and as I was taking him to another room, Trevelli called out something in German which I did not understand—I told Zeffat to detain the goods—Trevelli told me he was agent for a man at Leicester; I asked him the man's name, but he refused to tell me—Frater wanted to take the goods away, but I refused—on 4th November I saw Trevelli at Paddington Police-station—he said "I want those goods, I am suffering pecuniary loss by their detention;" I said "I shall not give them up"—Zeffat was detaining them at my request—he made an appointment to introduce me to the person he got them from, and Sergeant Mitchell and I met him outside the Mansion House at 2 that afternoon, when he introduced Kendrick, and said "This is the person to whom the goods belong; he consigned them to me"—I said to Kendrick "What is your name, and what are you?" he said "I am a wholesale dealer in haberdashery goods at 10, Walnut Street, Leicester, and have been there five months"—I asked where he was before that; he said "33, Braunston Gate, Leicester; I transferred these goods to Hamilton Gordon and Go. on Monday last; he was to have paid me 45l. for them, 25l. in cash and a bill for 20l. at three months; I have had one transaction with him before amounting to 27l.; he paid me 16l. cash and gave me a bill for 11l. at three months, which was paid"—I said that I had found Trevelli offering these goods for sale for 35l., which was 10l. less than they were invoiced to him for—he appeared much surprised, and said "It appears to me that Gordon has been trying to swindle me; I am much obliged to you for stopping them?—I said "Where did you get them from?" he said "That is a private matter; I decline to tell you"—I showed him this label with the name of Bodega and Ensall, 1, Watling Street, on it, and said "Have you ever had any business transactions with Bodega and Ensall?" they both replied "No, I don't know the firm"—I said "I found this in the parcel of goods consigned by you Kendrick to Trevelli, and claimed by you Trevelli at Mr. Zeffat's:" they again said "I know nothing about it," and Kendrick said "Will you give up

the goods to me?" I said "Iam going to telegraph to the police at Leicester to ask as to your character and position first," and made an appointment with him to meet me at Paddington Police-station in the evening—I received this paper from Trevelli:" 24, Martini Lane. Mr. Zeffat,—Please deliver to Mr. Kendrick (the bearer) the buttons and braid left with you. Hamilton Gordon and Co. "That was an authority to me to give the goods up to Kendrick if the answer from Leicester was satisfactory—I saw him write that—I then telegraphed to Leicester, and on the same day called on Mr. Ensall, who went with me to Paddington Station, and while we were there, about 5 o'clock, Kendrick came in, and I said "Do you know MESSRS. Bodega and Ensall?"—he said "No," and then looked at Mr. Ensall and said "I think that gentleman is from MESSRS. Bodega and Ensall's "—I said "Yes, he is; it appears to me that you got these goods from them on the reference of Hamilton Gordon, who is a convict on licence "—lie then made a statement which I made this note of: M I have known Gordon about five months; have bought goods, braids, and buttons from him, and paid him cash for them; hare had two or three purchases amounting to 20l. each; have sold him braid and buttons and received 16l. in cash and a bill for the remainder; the bill was honoured all right; gave Gordon reference to Bodega and Ensall; I will gladly give up all the goods to Mr. Ensall; have been ill for some time"—I said "I shall decline to give up the goods to you "—he then wrote and signed this document and gave it to me: "November 9, 1881. I hereby authorise Inspector Morgan to deliver up the goods from 12, Sunning dale Place to Mr. Ensall, of Watling Street, from whom I obtained them. J. H. Kendrick, 10, Walnut Street, Leicester. "On 7th November I went to 24, Martin's Lane, and saw Trevelli and his clerk Frater—Trevelli said "Kendrick brought the goods to this office from Mr. Walker's, a money lender, who lives in Falcon Square; he tried to get an advance on them but failed, and then induced me to take them to Mr. Zeffat's "—I then, with the sanction of the Public Prosecutor, obtained warrants, and on 18th November arrested Trevelli at his house, 45, Ashmore Road, Paddington—I read the warrant to him at the Harrow Road Station; he became very agitated and said "I am done for; this is through innocently giving a reference "—I searched his lodging and his office, and found a large quantity of documents; some of them were references and other papers, land seventeen pawn tickets for clothing, jewellery, and other things, pawned from 7s. up to 4l.—I took away a letter-book—I found a pocketbook on Trevelli, in which was this:"IOU 5l. A. R. Welham;" also this: "To Mr. Trevelli. I agree to pay you 50s. on account of I O U on or before Tuesday next, the 12th instant. July 8, 1881. A. R. Welham "—I arrested Kendrick on 20th November, at Leicester, in the street, told him the charge, and asked him where he lodged—he said "I shall decline to tell you, I don't wish to bring any one eke into trouble"—he asked why he was arrested—I said that all his statements were falsehoods—he said "What won't a man do when he is in trouble? if I had not been ill so long and nobody to do my work I would not have done it; I know I ought not to have said that I bought goods from Trevelli, because I never have, except two rings. He is a bad fellow; he wrote me a letter threatening me. I bought two rings from him about a month since; I was to have paid 1l. for them, but I have not

paid for them; I have pawned them, about ten days since, at High Street, Leicester, for 10s. I know Trevelli tried to do me out of the goods now at Zippart's. I cannot tell you the name of any person from whom I bought goods and paid for them; I tore up all my books when I left 10, Walnut Street, a week last Saturday, and do not know what I did with the pieces"—I showed him this letter addressed "Mr. D. Goily, 45, Ashmore Road"—he said "I wrote that letter; Trevelli told me to write to him at that address in that name. I sent that letter in answer to the threatening letter he sent me. I know Trevelli tried to do me out of these goods because he sent a German-clerk with me to Mr. Walker's to fetch the goods, and brought them to his office; they were taken away at once; I did not know where they were till you told me they were at Mr. Zippart's. It is all a lie his telling Mr. Ensall that I had bought goods of him and paid cash; he had some bills from me and I was sued on them; I tried to get them back but could not"—I found on him a crossed cheque on the Standard Bank of London for 30l. 15s., drawn by Hamilton Gordon and Co. in favour of J. H. Kendrick or order—that is the cheque he alluded to in his statement—he said that he presented it at the bank and there were no effects—I then went to 10, Walnut Street, a small cottage of five or six rooms, but found no signs of business there—I then went to 35, Braunston Gate, to make inquiries—I called at No. 33, which is a large private house, and no person named Kendrick was known there—I found also in Trevelli's pocketbook this contract note. (For 40l. advanced by Zippart on gold and silver watches, and a bill of exchange for 50l., with power of tale if not redeemed by 2nd January, 1882.) I also found on Trevelli all these documents. (Several bilk of exchange of Hamilton Gordon and Co., credit notes, telegram, and receipts far goods sent by railway, and returned empties, some of which goods were sent by J. Mall, of Sid mouth, Devon.)

Cross-examined by Trevelli. You did not tell me when I went into the room that you were Hamilton Gordon, otherwise Victor Trevelli—you refused me any information—you showed me an invoice in the name of Hamilton Gordon, but no other name appeared on it, and I did not take it from you—I have never seen it since—I first saw Kendrick at the Mansion House.

Cross-examined by Kendrick. I asked you if you did not know Hamilton Gordon as Trevelli, and you said "No"—you said that the first time you saw him was three months ago—I swear that I showed you Bodega and Ensall'8 card at the Mansion House, and you said that you did not know them—I went to your uncle at Braunston Gate—I had great difficulty in finding you—Braunston Gate is half a mile long—I found that you have lived at No. 4 several years—I heard many complaints of your owing money there—I believe you have been afflicted with paralysis for some years.

HENHY ENSALL . I am one of the firm of Bodega and Ensall, of 1, Red Lion Court, "Watling Street, agents for manufacturers—we are agents for Overbach and others—on 6th September we received this memorandum. (From J. H. Kendrick, stating that pattern of braid was enclosed, and inquiring lowest price.) This is our reply, stating that the pattern was not enclosed; we afterwards received it, and wrote this letter. (Dated September 8th, offering to make the braid and stating prices; other letters were put in from Kendrick ordering mohair.) On 18th September

I went to 24, St. Martin's Lane; the name of Hamilton Gordon and Co. was up—I saw Trevelli, and said that Kendrick and Co., of Leicester, had referred us to him, and asked what he knew of them—he said he knew the firm well, and had various transactions with them to the extent of 40l.—I said "What do you consider they are safe for?"—he said "These are very queer times, and I think if for an amount of about 50l. should arrange for cash"—I asked him what business Kendrick was doing—he said he was a wholesale haberdasher, and that he was connected with the Northampton boot trade—after that I supplied Kendrick with goods in five deliveries amounting to 39l. 4s. 5d.—other goods were ordered, but they were not sent—this label came from one of our manufacturers; it is the address card of a case—the goods were packed and sent to J. H. Kendrick and Co., 10, Walnut Street, Leicester—the terms were cash at a month—we have not been paid.

Cross-examined by Trevelli. You did not tell me what kind of reference you had from Kendrick—the account fell due on 18th October, but before that we supplied you with fresh goods—that account is not due yet—it was all within five weeks.

Cross-examined by Kendrick. After we had applied for payment you said you should be in London and would call upon us, but in the meantime I went on the Continent—the goods are in the hands of the police, but we hold you responsible—you told us where they were; my solicitor then threatened you with legal proceedings—I did not say when you gave up the goods at Paddington that I should go no further in the matter—Morgan told you that the best thing you could do was to keep out of Trevelli's way—I don't remember your telling him that you would return to Leicester at once.

MICHAEL ZEFFAT . I live at 12, Sunnydale Place, Harrow Road—I am a general merchant—I occasionally make advances on goods deposited with me—on 1st November last Trevelli called on me and asked for an advance on some braid and buttons—he produced this invoice (H)—I told him to send the goods up, and he did so in the afternoon—he required an advance of 30l.—I agreed to advance him 25l. on the deposit of the goods and a promissory note for the interest—he came in the evening and said "Are you ready to make the advance?"—I said "No, the clerk must check them off first"—he did so, and I said I would send a clerk with a cheque provided he signed the agreement—he said he did not have the agreement, so the clerk did not give him the cheque—in the Afternoon the party came and claimed the property—meanwhile I drew up the deposit note—I never did advance the money; I communicated with Inspector Morgan instead—I had seen Trevelli before that, I believe on the 20th and 21st October—I made him an advance of 20l. On 1 the 20th on a 25l. bill accepted by Kendrick, and four watches as a collateral security—the four watches were worth about 12l. at most—thinking the bill was good I thought it was a good transaction—I have not the acceptance here—on 21st October I made him a further advance of 42l. 7s. 6d. inclusive of interest; that was on the security of an acceptance of 50l. of L. Martin and Co., of Seething Lane, and the collateral security of 48 watches—I have had them valued at 34l. 16s.—the most expensive of them were worth about 25s. each—I have shown samples of them to Mr. Bedford—I asked Trevelli if he would give me a reference where he got the goods—he said if I went to Mr. Welham, the manager

of Bedford and Go, 110, Cannon Street, he would give me all information—I went to "Welham and asked him about Hamilton Gordon and Co.—he said "I have not known the firm very long, but they are quite good enough for what you ask me about"—this was about the 1st November; I can't be positive—I asked him if Hamilton Gordon and Co. were good for 50l., and he remarked "I believe so," or something to that effect—I said "Did he buy any watches from your firm?"—he said "Yes"—I told him what I generally did, and he said "I can introduce you to several parties if you like who require some money. "

Cross-examined by Welham. I don't recollect whether I had ever seen you before I called in Cannon Street—I asked you if you were Bedford's manager—you said "Yes," or agent or something; I don't recollect what you said—you handed me a card with "Hackney Road" on it—I did not tell you I was going to make an advance on watches.

Cross-examined by Trevelli. I advance money on jewellery, gold dust, or anything of the sort—I don't quite understand the jewellery trade—I thought the 26l. bill and the four watches was sufficient to advance you 20l. upon—I am positive the watches are not worth more than 12l.—you showed me the invoice, but I don't remember what they were charged there; they were charged, with other things, at 34l/. 16s.

HENRY WALKER . I am a warehouseman, of 7, Castle Street, Falcon Square—about the early part of November last I received a letter from Leicester telling me that a parcel of goods would arrive, and that the writer would call on me about it—shortly after a parcel of goods arrived by the Midland Bail way—a day or two after Kendrick called and wished to sell the goods—they were braids and buttons—I declined to buy them—I paid 6s. or 7s. for the carriage—I was repaid that by Kendrick, who fetched the goods away.

Cross-examined by Trevelli. I think I got possession of the goods at the latter end of October—they were in my possession three, four, or five days, it might be a week.

JOHN HOLLI ANTHONY . I live at 11, Campbell Buildings, Peckham—I am the proprietor of 94, Martin's Lane, Cannon Street—in June last I let Trevelli an office there—he gave the name of Victor Trevelli—he mentioned the name of Hamilton Gordon and Co. as a firm at Java for which he acted as agent—I asked him for a reference; I think he volunteered it—he gave the name of Schneider or Schneider and Co., of the Hop Exchange, provision merchants, and Mr. A. Adams, of 68, Lower Thames Street—I made inquiries of them as to Trevelli's respectability—I think I recognise Schneider, but his face is so much altered—I do not see Adams here—I told Schneider that I was referred to him by Mr. Trevelli, and I asked him how long he had known him; he said five years and upwards, that he had done business with him, that he was a highly respectable person, and he would make me a very desirable tenant—I let Trevelli the premises—he occupied them up to the time he was taken into custody—he was to pay 46l. a year—he only paid one quarter—he entered into possession on 24th June, 1881.

Cross-examined by Welham. I was not under the impression that he took the office under an established firm in Batavia; he acted as their agent, and also, I understood, did business himself—I had not hoard anything since to lead me to suppose otherwise, prior to this trial.

Cross-examined by Trevelli. You paid the first quarter's rent—the sub-goods

away On 29th September; it amounts to 33l. 3s. 10d.—the Chesterfield was never finished—the bargain was 5l. down, and the rest later on; no specific time was mentioned—this (produced) is a statement of the account, on the footing of 124l. 10s. 6d.—I agreed to take a cheque for 19l. on account, and a bill for 60l. at two months, and a bill of Kendrick's for 45l. 11s. 6d.—the cheque was presented and paid; the 60l. acceptance was dishonoured—after taking the 45l. bill of his own I made inquiries with regard to Kendrick, and the result was that I declined to take his acceptance—I saw Trevelli, and told him that the acceptance had been to my bankers, and they had returned it to me stating that the acceptance was wrong, as Kendrick had no account at the National Provincial Bank, Leicester—he said it was all nonsense, rubbish, and offered to give me his acceptance for it—I refused to take it, but told him I should want cash for it—he said be could not give me cash for it just then, as the mail steamer with hit remittances from Batavia had foundered, but he expected remittances by the next mail, when he would take the bill up—I pressed him for something more, and in the result he gave me post-dated cheques on the Standard Bank of London—they were dated on to 18th and 19th November, I think—this interview must have been about the beginning of November, about the 6th—there was some misapprehension on my part as to the amount of the bill, and the cheques were for a wrong amount—it was subsequently rearranged, and cheques were given for the proper amount—they were presented and dishonoured—as to the 33l. 3s. 10d. I had a cheque for 5l. on 29th September on the Standard Bank; that was paid—no definite arrangement was made with regard to the balance—I was to have some more money in a few days—I never did get any more—I applied to Trevelli for payment, and also to Welham—Trevelli said he was a little short just then, but I should have a cheque later on; I never got it—Welham said "I will see to it; I will speak to him about it; I am going down into the City, and will see him about it at once"—I said "This account seems to be growing, and promises to be a big account; how is Hamilton Gordon situated?" he told me not to have the slightest fear, he was a partner in a very wealthy firm, and it would be a splendid account—he always spoke of Trevelli as Hamilton Gordon; I did not know him as Trevelli—Welham brought me this bill for 30l. 7s. 6d. drawn by Hamilton Gordon and Co. at three months on L. Martin and Co., I think the next day—I took that bill—the three months had not run out at the time I was examined before the Magistrate—I now know it has been dishonoured—except the 5l. and the 19l. I got nothing from Hamilton Gordon and Co.—I was induced to deliver the goods to him on the representations of Welham in the first place; I believed what he said—I put Trevelli through my bankers and the Trade Protection Society.

Cross-examined by Welham. The first agreement entered into with you was that you were to have 10 per cent, on all money paid—you brought Trevelli for a suit of clothes—I served him with goods amounting to 33l., and he paid me 5l., which was the amount I asked him for—I afterwards told you to call on Hamilton Gordon and press him for the balance—you brought me the bill of Martin's—I told you I wished it had been payable «t a bank—you were not engaged by me on the tally system only—I took the bill because you brought it, and you said you had picked it out of Hamilton Gordon's drawer from a lot of others—after that I got further

goods away On 29th September; it amounts to 33l. 3s. 10d.—the Chester, field was never finished—the bargain was 5l. down, and the rest later on; no specific time was mentioned—this (produced) is a statement of the account, on the footing of 124l. 10s. 6d.—I agreed to take a cheque for 19l. on account, and a bill for 60l. at two months, and a bill of Kendrick's for 45l. 11s. 6d—the cheque was presented and paid; the 60l. acceptance was dishonoured—after taking the 45l. bill of his own I made inquiries with regard to Kendrick, and the result was that I declined to take his acceptance—I saw Trevelli, and told him that the acceptance had been to my bankers, and they had returned it to me stating that the acceptance was wrong, as Kendrick had no account at the National Provincial Bank, Leicester—he said it was all nonsense, rubbish, and offered to give me his acceptance for it—I refused to take it, but told him I should want cash for it—he said he could not give me cash for it just then, as the mail steamer with his remittances from Batavia had foundered, but he expected remittances by the next mail, when he would take the bill up—I pressed him for something more, and in the result he gave me post-dated cheques on the Standard Bank of London—they were dated on to 18th and 19th November, I think—this interview must have been about the beginning of November, about the 6th—there was some misapprehension on my part as to the amount of the bill, and the cheques were for a wrong amount—it was subsequently rearranged, and cheques were given for the proper amount—they were presented and dishonoured—as to the 33l. 3s. 10d. I had a cheque for 5l. on 29th September on the Standard Bank; that was paid—no definite arrangement was made with regard to the balance—I was to have some more money in a few days—I never did get any more—I applied to Trevelli for payment, and also to Welham—Trevelli said he was a little short just then, but I should have a cheque later on; I never got it—Welham said "I will see to it; I will speak to him about it; I am going down into the City, and will see him about it at once"—I said "This account seems to be growing, and promises to be a big account; how is Hamilton Gordon situated?" he told me not to have the slightest fear, he was a partner in a very wealthy firm, and it would be a splendid account—he always spoke of Trevelli as Hamilton Gordon; I did not know him as Trevelli—Welham brought me this bill for 30l. 7s. 6d. drawn by Hamilton Gordon and Co. at three months on L. Martin and Co., I think the next day—I took that bill—the three months had not run out at the time I was examined before the Magistrate—I now know it has been dishonoured—except the 5l. and the 19l. I got nothing from Hamilton Gordon and Co.—I was induced to deliver the goods to him on the representations of Welham in the first place; I believed what he said—I put Trevelli through my bankers and the Trade Protection Society.

Cross-examined by Welham. The first agreement entered into with you was that you were to have 10 per cent, on all money paid—you brought Trevelli for a suit of clothes—I served him with goods amounting to 33l., and he paid me 5l., which was the amount I asked him for—I afterwards told you to call on Hamilton Gordon and press him for the balance—you brought me the bill of Martin's—I told you I wished it had been payable at a bank—you were not engaged by me on the tally system only—I took the bill because you brought it, and you said you had picked it out of Hamilton Gordon's drawer from a lot of others—after that I got further

orders from Hamilton Gordon—when I engaged you you referred, me to a man in Brixton Road, who entered into a bond for your integrity; it was a bond against embezzlement—be also said he knew you, and that you were respectable—I was under the impression that the order for the watches which Trevelli gave me emanated from a house in India, and that the goods were to be shipped in the usual way—I felt sure from what he stated to me that it was a straightforward transaction, and from what you said I put the order in hand—I delivered the parcel of watches myself, and on that occasion he gave me the cheque for 19l.—I asked my bank to make inquiries about Hamilton Gordon, and their reply was, "Respectable, but rather weak"—after that I took his post-dated cheques, because I could get nothing else—I was frequently at his office after that; I never took luncheon with him—he did not ask me if he might make use of my name as a reference—he asked me where he could buy certain goods, and I gave him the name of a house—he asked if I would stand his reference, and I said "Certainly not; I am but a young trader; my name is not sufficiently strong even if I was able to speak to your responsibility "—I had a number of letters from him while he was in prison, not asking me to be bail, I am sure of that—I took no notice of them—the first cheque that was dishonoured came back the day he was imprisoned—I had no transaction with him worth speaking of after the watches—I went to his house; it was furnished throughout—the house was taken in the name of Miss Baylis, or rather I furnished it for her at your suggestion—she gave the order when you brought her to my place—she gave the order verbally; I took it down in writing—you introduced her as a young lady in business for herself as a dressmaker, and she wanted this house to augment her income by letting furnished lodgings—she signed an agreement—I did not know it was Trevelli's house—I did not know that she was living under Trevelli's protection—I met her once at Trevelli's office—I never slept at 45, Ashmore Road—as soon as I knew Trevelli was in prison I got my furniture back—I found out the very day he was arrested that Miss Baylis was living with him, and I went to him that afternoon and told him what I had found out—he said "You have found me out, have you?"—I said "I could not supply furniture to this lady if the house is yours; you must take the responsibility;" and he gave me a bill for the amount—he told me that the 20l. cheque he had given me would not be met, and rather than have it go back I gave him my cheque until Monday, when he said he should be in funds—that cheque was not presented; Inspector Morgan found it in his office—I went to his office on Sunday afternoon—I called on you and told you that he was in prison—you told me that the watches had been hypothecated for 40l.—you suggested to my manager that it would answer my purpose if I could get back the watches for 40l.—I said "No" to it.

Cross-examined by Trevelli. I never had a bill or cheque of yours returned before you were arrested—I did not expect them to be paid after your arrest—it was at the latter end of September that you came to order the clothes—you were measured at my place—you were introduced to me, and I sold you 35 yards of cloth—an invoice was made out for you amounting to 33l. and a few shillings—you then said "What payment have I to make you?"—I said "Well, 5l., or anything you like;" and you gave me the 5l. cheque, which was paid—I left it to you when to pay

the balance—I was satisfied at that time that you were a respectable man—I did not fell you that I was going to buy a jeweller's shop, and that if you wanted to buy any it would be a good chance—it was not my suggestion that you should give me post-dated cheques—I told Welham to call on you for some cash, and he brought me this bill of Kendrick's instead—the clothes were then made and on your back.

Cross-examined by MR. LEVEY. Trevelli was introduced to mo by Welham at the latter end of September, 1881—I supplied him with goods up to 21st October—it was in September that I made inquiries at the bank and the Trade Protection Society—the bank said "Respectable bat weak "—the Trade Society advised references—Trevelli gave Hamersteion and Schneider as references—I did not see Schneider—I went to his office at the Hop Exchange—I did not see any one—the inquiry at the batik was the first inquiry, when the account was very small—I opened the account on Welham's introduction and the answer of the bank—up to that time I thought him a respectable man; indeed, up to the dy of his arrest I thought him so.

Cross-examined by MR. REDMAN. I was used as a reference for Hamilton Gordon in one case, and some gentleman came and gave me his card but I took no notice of it—I did not give him a reference that would open an account.

Re-examined. I told Trevelli he must not refer to me again—I saw certain watches in Mr. Zeffat's possession, which I recognised as mine, and part of those I had delivered to Trevelli.

ALFRED DAVID ABRAHAM . (Upon an intimation from the COURT that the evidence of this witness did not disclose any false pretence MR. BIRON withdrew it.)

EDWIW LEWARD . I am principal warder of Her Majesty's convict prison, Portsmouth—Trevelli was received there on 17th December, 1877, and remained till he was removed to Millbank by licence on 1st February, 1881—Welham was received on 24th January, 1878, and removed on ticket-of-leave to Millbank on 8th February, 1881—that is the usual course, they are sent up to London and discharged—they hid five years' penal servitude each.

JAMES RAMSEY MCARTHTTR . I am agent for the Greenock Felt Works Company, 134, Fenchurch Street—we received this letter, dated 2nd September, 1881, from Hamilton Gordon and Co., ordering a quantity of felt, and referring to Hulme and Co., 29, Fenchurch Street, and Buchanan and Co., of Baltic Chambers—I went to 29, Fenchurch Street, and saw a clerk—I said that Hamilton Gordon and Co. had given them as a reference, and could they be trusted to the amount of 50l.—he said "We have had much larger transactions with them than that, and the result has been satisfactory; but you had better see the principal "—I then went to Buchanan, Wade, and Co., at Baltic Chambers, but the door was locked—I supplied the goods, and other goods, amounting to 175l. 16s. 8d., and sent the delivery order to Hamilton Gordon and Co.—the arrangement was for cash in a month—I applied for payment about 6th' October, and saw Trevelli—he said it was not convenient to pay that day, but he Would pay subsequently—I applied a second time, and he gave me a promissory note for 80l. 8s. 9d.—he was arrested before it became due—it was a blank acceptance; it was filled up, but not signed—il was accepted—I parted with my goods because I understood from

Edmunds, Hulme, and Co., that he was carrying on a genuine business, and wanted the goods in the usual way—on 31st October I received this memorandum from H. C. Lorenz, of Fenchurch Street, and afterwards this letter of 2nd November (From Lorenz, ordering 100 yards of roofing felt, on terms)—I sent them on the terms of the memorandum, because I understood, after making inquiries, that Lorenz was a genuine trader—the value was 83l. 6s. 8d.—the goods were acknowledged in a letter from Lorenz, which requested me to send 300 yards of sacking felt—I did not fend it—about 24th November Welham called and gave me this card (J. Bedford and Co., Universal Incorporated Supply Club)—I quoted him prices—he gave me this order—I asked for references, and he wrote this on the back of the card (Mr. John Stewart, City Commissioner of Sewers; and J. Bedford and Co., 28, Cambridge Street, Hackney Road)—I did not make inquiries of those references—I did not like the names, and did not supply any goods—I wrote and asked for cash before delivery-—I also received this:"Dear Sir,—When in hand deliver to my order 16 frame roofing felt, as per sample, at 9d. R. A. Welham," but 9d. was not the price—I also received this letter (From Kendrick, asking for samples of sacking and inodorous felt)—I sent the samples and received this memorandum (Asking for extra discount if a larger quantity teas ordered)—I did not supply it—I also received these letters (From Erney, requesting to be supplied with felt), made an appointment, and he called at the office—I recognise him;—he asked if I had sent the goods—I insisted on cash, and did not supply them.

Cross-examined by Erney. My traveller called on you, but did not see you—you gave me no reference, and I made no inquiries about you.

Cross-examined by Trevelli. My terms for export are 40 per cent, discount and 5 per cent, for cash—160l. is the gross amount you owe me; it is really 133l.—an acceptance was drawn at three months, a month after your memorandum, consequently you did not owe me anything; it was not due—I had no claim on you on 18th November if the bill had been paid—the second invoice was never paid—I received a letter from you, saying that you would pay me every farthing—I did not answer it.

Cross-examined by Kendrick. I wrote to you to say that I should require cash before delivery—the order came to about 50l.—there is a large discount when people pay their account.

Cross-examined by MR. CLUER. I never called on Lorenz—I executed his order on my own responsibility—my commission from the company was 10 per cent, on the nett, not on the full price—I had the goods in London—I swore an information at the Mansion House, upon which Lorenz's extradition was obtained.

EDWIN SHRIVELL . I am manager to Mr. Brown, paper, manufacturer, 2, Queen Victoria Street—in September last Wright came to the office and gave references, as there was other business to be transacted between us, and we were not satisfied with him—he gave me this card: "Buchanan, Wade, and Co., Baltic Chambers, Bishopsgate Street, Engineers and Contractors," on the back of which I saw him write in pencil "Edmunds, Hulme, and Co.," which he gave as the name of his firm, and we knew him at the time by that name—he wrote under that "Wood and Co., 73, Farringdon Street, and Hamilton Gordon and Co., 24, Martin's Lane," as references—I went to Hamilton. Gordon and Co., and few Trevelli—I told him we were referred to him by Edmunds, Hulme, and

Co., and were likely to do business to something like 200l.—he shook his head, and said "Too much, too much "—I said "How much would you trust them for; would you trust them for 100l.?"—he said "Yes, I would, if I had only one transaction at a time; I should expect them to pay the 100l. before they had any more goods "—I had supplied goods value 37l. 19s. 10d. before that reference, not on the faith of it—we found their names in the Directory—the goods were supplied in two parcels, and I went to the docks to intercept the second parcel, but never got them back or the money; they are probably in Bombay now, as they were for shipment.

JOHN GRANT FORSYTH . I am buyer to Amos Chesbrough, who trades under the name of "The Castelburgh Bottle Company," in the county of York—his London office is at the Midland Hail way goods station, St. Pancras, where I represent him—about 1st August I received a letter from him, in consequence of which I went to 12, Harp Lane, and saw Lorenz—I showed him the letter, quoted prices for soda-water bottles, and left him a sample—this is the letter (From Lorenz to the Company, referring to Hamilton Gordon and Co., and Buchanan and Co.)—I said that I should have to see the references, and on 12th August I called on Hamilton Gordon and Co., saw Trevelli, and asked if he considered H. A. Lorenz, of 12, Harp Lane, good for 150l. or 200l.—he said "No, I would not trust him to that amount"—I then said "Our parcel will probably amount to 70l. or 80l.; would he be good for that amount?"—he said "Yes, up to 100l. "—I said "You consider him perfectly good for that amount?"—he said "Yes"—he did not say how long he had known him—I then went to Baltic Chambers, and saw a man who is not in the dock—he said that neither Mr. Buchanan nor Mr. Wade were in—I thought it prudent to get further references, and about 29th August I received this letter (From Lorenz, referring to Edmunds, Hulme, and Co., 29, Fenchurch Street)—I went there, and saw a man who is not here—I then wrote to Lorenz, and received this letter in reply (Objecting to refer to his bankers, but offering to pay within 14 days, if not the order to be considered as cancelled)—this is the order; it amounts to 70l. 1s. 2d.—the goods were to be marked "L" in a diamond—I forwarded them by carrier, instructing him to put them on board ship for Sydney—an agreement in writing was made to pay for them within 14 days, which was confirmed verbally by Lorenz—I also received this letter (Requesting that the goods might be forwarded to the Superintendent of the South-Eastern Bocks, to be put on board the Cyriol Win with dispatch)—I called at Harp Lane many times, but the door was always locked—I waited there the whole of one day without finding anybody—I got into the house, but not into the office—I have never been paid—I met Lorenz one day accidentally in Fenchurch Street, and asked him for a cheque for our account—he said that he would forward one by post next day, but it never came—I parted with the goods on the representations of the references, and I would not have delivered them if I had believed that Trevelli and Edmunds, Hulme, and Co. were not genuine traders.

Cross-examined by MR. CLTTER. I believed from instinct that they were genuine traders—when I met Lorenz I did not tell him that I had called several times and waited a whole day—I know that the Cyriol Win sailed for Sydney afterwards.

By the COURT. What I mean by "instinct" is that they had a good

appearance, and Trevelli bad a very good way with him, which would take anybody in—if the references had not been good we should not have gent the goods.

Re-examined. I thought the firms bearing those names were carrying on business at those addresses, and that they had dealings with Lorenz; in fact, Edmunds, Hulme, and Co. showed me their ledger to prove it.

ROBERT COOPER . I live at 25, Culmore Road, Peckham—I am a baker, and am landlord of 194, Upper Thames Street—I became proprietor of those premises in October last—the second floor was then occupied by a firm of Lawrence Brothers—I used to see persons going to and from those offices from time to time, amongst others Tattersfield and Lorenz—I do not recognise any others—I saw them very frequently coming in and out—they came into my shop—they called for letters for Lawrence Brothers.

GEORGE HALLAM . I live at 9, Colville Road, Bayswater—I am clerk to J. Rogers and Co., of 29, Fenchurch Street—in July last offices were let by J. Rogers and Co. to Edmunds, Hulme, and Co.—-Wright is one of the parties—I saw him at the office—I don't know the exact date when they were in occupation—Daniel Weir was another of the parties—they were in occupation nearly three months, till the end of September or beginning of October—this letter of 23rd June, 1881, was received by Mr. Rogers before the offices were taken.

Cross-examined by MR. REDMAN. I don't remember whether the two men came together to take the office—there was a document signed, I think, by J. S. Wright and Daniel Weir—I did not see it signed—all I can say is that the offices were taken, and that I saw Wright and Weir there.

ABSOLOM WEIR . I am a commision agent living at 1, Stratford Road, Plaistow—I know Garth—I became acquainted with him about 18 months since—about June last I was with him at the Elder Tree public-house, Eldon Street, Spittalfields, and met Wright there—about a month or two afterwards I met Wright and Garth at the Fenchurch Street Station—Wright said he had disposed of his public-house, and that he wanted to go into some other business—there was a discussion as to whether or not I would join them in business—among other things it was suggested that a Steam Trawler Fishing Company would be a good thing—Wright asked if there was any good business that he could join in—I said that a friend of mine in Glasgow had plant for a Steam Trawler Fishing Company, which might be a very good thing if it was formed—they were trying to float a limited company—I said I had no money—he said that was of no object, he would supply the money—Wright said it would be necessary to have offices to float a company—I agreed to that—I went with him and took a room at 29, Fenchurch Street—Garth went too on one occasion—he and Wright approved of the room, and we took possession about a fortnight afterwards—this is the agreement with Mr. Rodgers, the landlord—one of the signatures is mine, and the other Wright's, and Garth witnessed it. (This was dated 6th July, 1881, an agreement to take the office at 45l. a year, payable quarterly, and wot signed by James •Edmunds Wright and Daniel Alfred Weir.) Daniel is a surname of mine; sometimes I use it, and sometimes not—Absalom is also my name, but that is rather an uncommon name—here is a letter in Garth's writing, and my name signed as Daniel—it has Wright's name to it in Garth's writing—when I first got there, "Edmunds, Hulme, and Co." was painted up

—Wright was Edmunds, Hulme, and Co.—John Edmund Hulme are his Christian names, and he adopted that title for the firm—the agreement was signed by Wright—my name was taken down shortly after—the Steam Trawling Company collapsed, through Wright not launching forth the necessary capital to put it in operation—it never commenced operations—we had a directorate formed—several persons agreed to join the board of directors in the event of its being floated, Francis Ogg for one; but it never was floated—we never got any money—we got the office—we worked there at the Fishing Company for some time, and it seemed not to progress, and Wright brought several people into the office who I did not know—there was Lorenz, Trevelli, Garth, and Tattersfield, and Erney (Wood and Co.)—Garth was in the office from the very commencement—I don't recognise any others—the only business done at the time the office was occupied was some paper which was got—we wrote letters for samples to different firms, and for samples of spirits; we did not get any; there some small samples, about a gill each, a dozen perhaps; some of them were drunk; I dare say some was left in the place; they were got from different people—we got about 40l. worth of paper from Annandale and Co.; Brown was the London agent at 24, Queen Victoria Street—Wright got an advance of 20l. on that from Landonr and Co., of Dashwood House, Old Broad Street, and to the best of my recollection he went away to Ramsgate the very day lie got it, or the day after; it was never posted up in the firm's book—there were no books kept, only a letter book; we only had a book and a small diary about a foot square; we had some memorandum forms—this (produced) is one of our billheads, "Edmunds, Hulme, and Co., 29, Fenchurch Street, London "—I was not a partner in the firm—my duty was a clerk in the office—the firm was originally "started for this Fishing Company, afterwards there were printed address cards as export shipping and commission agents—with part of the 20l. I think Wright bought a washstand, which cost about 1l.—I think Lorenz made his appearance about six weeks after the office was taken; he came in several times with Wright, and they went out together and had liquor and refreshment together; I dare say they had some of the gills—shortly after Lorenz came there people came to the office demanding money Mr. Irish, a stationer, of Fenchurch Street, called; his bill was 7l. or 8l. I think for printing the memorandums and the cards, about 2,000 or so—Wright took away a good many of them when he left; a good many were sent out asking for samples and for orders—I think Irish got about half of his money; he came over a dozen times for it; Wright paid him 2l. or 3l. at a time, and I think I gave him 1l. Afterwards—that was all he got, unless he has been paid since Wright left Mr. Brown, the paper man, from Queen Victoria Street, came for his money; he did not get it—some people came who wanted money from Garth; they never got it that I saw—I have seen Garth and Tattersfield come into the office together; Tattersfield left his card, "Tattersfield Brothers, 40, Warwick Lane," and he asked Wright for a reference—I know a man named Huxley; he came to 29, Fenchurch Street with Lorenz—Lorenz was at 12, Harp Lane; he came on from there when they were shut up, and Wright and he wanted to go into partnership—I think he had the office at Harp Lane still going on at that time—they wanted to go into partnership as commission merchants—I heard them

speaking about a healing-wax manufactory which they were going to start—I cleared away from them there and then, when they spoke about having anything to do with Lorenz—I did not see or hear anything further about Wright after that till I saw his name in the papers—the office at 29, Fenchurch Street was abandoned towards the end of November; quarter day had come; the rent was not paid—I might have made an entry or two in the diary, of people calling; that was all—there was no money paid except to Mr. Irish, and some little things that were got into the office—I was dissatisfied at hearing that Wright was going to have to do with Lorenz, and also at not receiving any money—I was to have had 1l. a week until this Steam Trawling Company was started; I never got it; I might have got a few shillings perhaps—I never saw them at 41, Redcross Street; I never saw them after the end of September, when I left the office, till now.

Cross-examined by MR. O'CONNOR POWER. I knew Garth before I went to the Elder Tree; I went there with him and met Wright—I did not know Wright before; I knew he had been conducting a public-house; he said he had disposed of his business when I saw him at Fenchurch Street—he asked for a good investment for his money, and I think the suggestion for the Steam Trawling Company came from me—Wright was to furnish the capital—I knew that Garth had no money; I supposed that Wright had after disposing of his public-house—it was not proposed that I should be a partner in this company, but if it was floated I would have become a shareholder in it—I swear it was not agreed that I should be a member of the firm of Edmunds, Hulme, and Co.; it might have been proposed, but it was not arranged; I did not consent to it—I was not to be a director; I should have a post in the company—I simply signed the agreement to take the office; Wright and I were to become tenants of the office; we were not—to carry on the business jointly; Wright was to carry it on and furnish the capital till we got the company started—the agreement that I was to receive 1l. a-week was a verbal one; I think that was said at Fenchurch Street Station after looking at the office—I have not said that I heard at the Elder Tree that Wright had disposed of his business; Garth told me of it and Wright confirmed it to me afterwards; it was through Garth that I saw him—the W. a week was to commence from the time we went into the office, which was about a fortnight from the June term; we continued there to the end of September; I was not paid my 1l. a week during that time—I made a few commissions independently not in connection with this business—I executed them at my own private house—I had an office in Great Tower Street, but I never used it then—I had my name up there, and so I had at Fenchurch Street for a few days, or perhaps a fortnight—'from June to September I lived principally on what I made by my commissions—a good portion of my time was spent at the office; I did some of the correspondence, not the chief part—I frequently signed the partnership name—I went away from Fenchurch Street myself; Wright was talking of taking Lorenz into partnership, and I said he could go his way and I could go mine; I went next morning and found the door closed—I was never drunk on the premises—I never had an office at 72, Mark Lane; I frequented an office there; I had my name up there eighteen months or two years ago—my business was not altogether that of accepting accommodation bills, partly so—I did not receive a half-crown a bill; I had one per cent.

By the COURT. That was at Great Tower Street—my employer was a financial agent of the name of Natzyler—I was not clerk to him—their office is now at 2, London Street, just off Fenchurch Street, close to the station—I accepted bills for Mr. Natzyler; the usual commission was 1 per cent.—this may have been about 12 months ago—I had no money myself; the bills were accepted as accommodation for the party, to take them up as they matured—I describe myself on these bills as Weir and Co.—the name was up at 38, Great Tower Street as Weir and Co.—I occupied a back room there on the first floor—I did not carry on any business scarcely; I accepted a bill or two; I don't recognise that as a business; there was no business carried on there—I had no business cards or memorandum heads, no capital, and no books—I did not make the bills payable at that office—Natzyler and Co. were the drawers of most of the bills; his real name is Francis Natzyler; he is not there now—I knew that he had no business and no money—he is at 2, New London Street now as a financial agent—the bills were for sometimes 50l. up to 100l., sometimes drawn at three months, six, nine, twelve—Natzyler drew some of them in his own name and some in somebody else's—there was Davison and Co., of 68, Leadenhall Street; Stevens, Smith, and Co., of 27, Clement's Lane—I don't remember any others at the moment—there was L. Martin and Co., and Tattersfield drew a bill at that time—I think he accepted a bill on Davison, of Leadenhall Street—I really don't remember whether he was the acceptor or the drawer—I don't remember any other name—I knew Trevelli's firm, Hamilton Gordon and Co., but not in connection with these bills—I sometimes accepted and sometimes drew bills, which I gave to Natzyler, and he sometimes got drawers or acceptors, whom I did not know—I know the form of a bill runs, "For value received "—my value received was 1 per cent.—the drawer had to take the bills up, or the holder for whose accommodation it was given—I did not keep a bill-book—they were all taken up so far as I know—I did not think this was swindling—several houses in London I know do nothing else—it is done chiefly for their clients abroad—whoever gets the bill has to transmit the capital from abroad to meet it before it is due—I did not think it a swindle on my part—I knew that Weir and Co. had no capital and no business; I was the only partner—I was going to use the office still if I had not met with Wright; then I had no use for it scarcely—I do not know that Natzyler passed by any other name; when he first came to this country, about 14 years ago, he was under another name; I heard it was some peculiar foreign name two years ago; Jansen, I think, or something like that—I never accepted a bill drawn by him as Jansen—this bill of L. Martin and Co. is one of Arnold's, of 4, Catherine Court, as it used to be; I don't know whether it is in existence now—this L. Martin and Co. is written by Arnold; he was a partner, if not the sole partner, as far as I know—I don't knew what business Martin and Co. carry on; I know they did some business in bills.

Cross-examined by MR. CLUER. I did not give evidence at the police court—Sergeant Mitchell met me and asked me what I knew about this matter, if I knew Wright, or any of the others; that was all he told me—he did not say I was implicated in it, nothing to that effect; he wanted me as a witness; he served me with a subpoena—I may have drawn bills on the Bank of Vienna; I believe I did about two or three years ago, not

later—I drew it for Natzyler and Co.; I don't think it was on a bank in Vienna—I don't recollect the name; I know I got it from Natzyler and Co,—I did not accept it, it was sent to Vienna for acceptance—it was accepted, and I heard some time afterwards that the bank at Vienna had refused to verify—I did not hear that it was a forgery; I swear; that I heard that the bank was in liquidation.

Cross-examined by MR. FILLAN. There was no other person bnt Garth in a position of confidence at the place in Fenchurch Street—the Steam Trawling business was not a swindling business—Lorenz was not in confidence—it was a bond-fide business up to the latter end of September—Mr. Irish told me one day that he had seen Lorenz and others coming there, and they were not respectable people—I don't think Tattersfield knew what Wright and Garth were engaged in when he asked Wright for a reference; he did it openly in my presence—I forget what the reference was for—I don't know that Wright gave it him—I believed at that time, up to a certain point, that Wright had money—the bill that Tattersfield accepted for Davison was duly honoured—that was the only bill I remember his accepting—I do not see Natzyler in Court to-day.

Cross-examined by Trevelli. I saw you about July or August, just about the time the paper was obtained; I think it was afterwards—I saw you two or three times at the office; you did not stay very long.

Cross-examined by Erney. I saw you there two or three times; you made me a present of a shilling silver pin, and I think I paid you for it afterwards—I never saw you before you came to Wright's—my business was that of a commission agent in London and the country, Essex and Middlesex—this is not the first time that you have seen me sober—I always carried on business under my own name—I did not accept bills in different names—I did not offer you a shilling or half-a-crown for a bill, or a glass of beer—I went to Natzyler's several times in a week; sometimes I had a bill ready for acceptance, and sometimes not—I had no furniture in Great Tower Street, because when I met with Wright I had no further use for the place, and it was not good enough for Wright; that was the reason he took the one in Fenchurch Street—I got a bill from Martin; I did not pay him for that—I offered you a bill, and I have never got it back to this day.

EDWARD JAMES BARRETT . I live at 19, Southampton Street, Camberwell—in September or October last the prisoner Wright applied at my father's office to take some vacant premises at 41, Bed Cross Street—he referred me to C. H. Erney, 16, Asylum Road, Brixton—I wrote, and in reply received this letter. (This was proved by Detective Sergeant Mitchell to be in Erney's writing; it was signed C. H. Erney, and stated that he had known Mr. Wright three years, and always found him straight' forward, and that he was safe for a larger amount than that named.) I have also seen Lorenz—Wright took the premises, and left without giving notice—I went there and found Tattersfield, who said that Wright was in the country—the servant afterwards brought me the key—the first months' rent was paid before he took possession, but none since.

EDWARD HICKEY . I am agent to MESSRS. Rawlins, paper makers, of Wrexham—I have office in Friday Street—in October last they were trading as H. and B. C. Rawlins—I received this letter from them. (This was slated by Weir to be in Wright's writing; it was from the Standard.

Sealing Wax Works, and asked for samples of brown, and of small hand-paper, with prices.) I then went to Bed Cross Street and saw Wright, showed him the letter, and left some samples with him—he said that his brother was not in, but he thought the paper might be sent—I said that I should want two references, and shortly afterwards I received this. (Weir stated that the body of this letter was in Tattersfield's writing, and the signature in Wrights'; it was an order for 120 reams of different papers, and referred to Miles and Co. of Spital Square, and Hamilton Gordon and Co.) I wrote to both the references, and received this letter by post. (Inspector Morgan stated that this was in Trevelli's writing; it was from—Hamilton Gordon and Co., stating that they considered Wright Brothers were good for the amount named, but would not sag more.) I also received this by post. (Weir stated that this was in Garth's writing; it was for A. J. Miles of Spital Square, signed R. T. Garth, and stated that he had done business with Wright Brothers to a larger amount than that named, which was satisfactory, and the witness need not hesitate to credit them.) After the first lot of paper was invoiced, Tattersfield came to my office about November 5 to urge on the delivery, but I could do nothing, because the goods were in transit—their valne. was 9l. 3s. 4d.—I afterwards received this letter from Wright Brothers. (Weir stated that the body of this was Tattersfield's writing, and the signature Wright's; it acknowledged the receipt of 100 reams, and ordered 400 more, signed "Wright Brothers and Co. ") The second order was forwarded—the invoice was dated November 11th—the amount was 31l. 13s. 4d.—they were to he paid for the following month, less 5 per cent.—on 15th December I sent a messenger for the money, but he was unsuccessful—I went myself on 31st December, and found a padlock on the door—I executed those orders, believing that the references were genuine, and also that Wright Brothers were carrying on a genuine business at 41, Bed Cross Street—I saw "Standard Ink and Sealing Wax Works" over the door, not the name of Wright Brothers—they gave me their card, "Standard Ink and Sealing Wax Company. Presented by—. "

Cross-examined by MR. REDMAN. When I went to 41, Red Cross Street, I saw only a workman at the back, and Wright told me he was putting up the sealing-wax—I saw evidences of getting ready to establish a business there, and Wright said that he was going in for large Government orders.

Cross-examined by MR. LEVEY. I wrote to A. J. Miles of 21, Lant Street, Spital Square, asking if Tattersfield was good for 100l., he replied that they were respectable people—I believed Wright and Co. to be a respectable firm—I believed Tatersfield to be Wright's clerk.

HEÍÍBY WILLIAM CLEMOW . I live at 37, Lower Marsh, Lambeth, and am agent for the executors of the late Edward Grow—I had the letting of an office at 12, Bush Lane, and on 30th May I let it to H. C. Lorenz at 25l. a year, subject to a quarter's notice—this (produced) is the agreement—the prisoner Lorenz signed it in my presence—he referred me to Tattersfield Brother?, and to a house in Fenchurch Street, which I cannot remember—I received this letter. (Weir stated that this was in Tattersfield's writing; it was signed "Tattersfield Brothers," and stated that Lorenz was highly respectable, and no drubt he would be a good tenant.) The signature and all is in the same writing—the tenancy was to commence on 24th June, but Lorenz came into possession on May 30th, upon signing this note: "I promise to pay 30. on 24th June for three weeks' rent due that day, H. G.

Lorenz "—I asked him once or twice to pay that 30s., and he promised to do so, but he never did—he stayed till the September quarter, and I applied to him for the rent several times, but never got it, and towards the end of October I found the office shut up, and Lorenz gone without notice—a man named Bradbury afterwards applied to me and referred me to Wright Brothers and Hamilton Gordon and Co.—I then received this. (Weir stated that this was in Tattersfield's writing; it was from Wright Brothers, stating that they had known Mr. H. Bradbury some time; that he was, straightforward in business transactions, and highly recommended him as a tenants Another letter to the same effect from Hamilton Gordon and Co, was put in, which Inspector Morgan stated was in Trevelli's writing.) I was not satisfied—I had learned a lesson, and wanted a quarter's rent in advance—I did not let the office.

Cross-examined by MR. CLUER. I stated at the police-court that Edmunds Hulme and Co., of Fenchurch Street, were given as references, but 1 think I qualified that by saying that that was because there. was no one else in connection with the gang—I remember it was Fenchurch Street—Lorenz called at the office and gave it verbally-—I wrote there, but do not think I got an answer—they may have been in possession before their name was put up—the reference was given to me on 28th of 29th, or 30th May—he was also to pay me 5l. for the furniture in the room, and I wanted to sell it all at the same time.

Cross-examined by MR. LEVEY. The second reference may have been to Hulme, and it may have been to some other firm—Bradbury and Co had not got 6l. to pay in advance, so X did not let them have the office.

EDWARD GEORGE HAMILTON . I am agent to the Kangra Valley Tea Company, of 3, Brabant Court, Philpot Lane—in September last I received this letter. (This was signed H. C. Lorenz, per pro Huxley, and was proved by Weir to be in the writing 'of Huxley, Lorenz's clerk, it contained an order for a chest of tea as per sample.) The order was given on the 9th, and supplied on the 12th—the value was 8l. 2s.—I afterwards received these other orders from Lorenz, amounting; to 110l. 5s. 6d., and supplied them on a month's credit, believing that he was doing a legitimate business by his having an office and fending his clerk for «samples—I applied for payment in a month, and called constantly at Lorenz's office, but was never paid—this is the last letter I received: "October 26th, Mr. Lorenz being out of town for a few days, we will attend to your account on his returning home "—I received also some orders in writing from a poison from Edmunds, Hulme, and Co., and from Welham.

Cross-examined by MR. CLUER. I swear that there was an order of 9th September for one chest of tea, but I cannot produce it—I supplied it before calling at Lorenz's office.

Cross-examined by MR. LEVEY. I called there several times, but never saw Tattersfield there.

JAMES HORN . I live at Sidcot, in Devonshire, and am a general dealer—I received these two letters. (These were read from a press letter copy found at Schneider's house by William Cross, the detective, and contained an order fur a continuous supply of butter and poultry, at fixed prices, from John Fullerton and Co. 2, Devonshire Square, London.) I supplied those goods to Schneider—the value on the whole was 7l. 7s. 9d.—i afterwards came to London, saw him after great difficulty, and asked him for the money

—he said he had not got it, but he would go into the town, as he had some people whom he had had dealings with, and see if he could get it and pay me in cash—he went out, and when he came back he gave me this bill (produced), drawn by him for John Fullerton and Co. for 14l. 7s. 6d.—he said I could pay it into my bankers and forward the difference in goods—I sent it to my bank in Devonshire, but they would not discount it—when it became due it was dishonoured—I never got paid—I had a letter from Shneider, in which he called himself a merchant of the Hop Exchange—I sent him the butter and poultry on the faith of his letter with a printed heading—he referred in it to John Fullerton and Co., and I looked at the London Directory and found his name in Devonshire Square—I believed that Schneider was a genuine merchant, carrying on a provision business—there was no sign of business when I went about the letter—it was rather a desolate place—had I seen the office first I should not have sent the things—on 7th July I received this order. (This was from Grey, Miller, and Co., of Lower Thames Street, requesting the witness to send butter and poultry, and state what quantity he could supply weekly. Another letter was put in from the same to the same, dated July 13th, y winy a further order, and another of July 20th, complaining of the condition of the butter.) I forwarded goods to Grey, Hiller, and Co. to the amount of 2l. 13s. 10d., thinking they were genuine Brtish and foreign merchants, and on the strength of their letter stating they would forward remittances on the receipt of the goods. (A quantity of letters from Hamilton Gordon and Co. were here put in, four of which were stated by Inspector Morgan to be in Trevelli's writing, and dated 21 st July, still complaining of the butter, and inquiring the price of eggs, cyder, etc.) After that I supplied goods to Hamilton Gordon and Co. to the amount of 8l. 9s. 10d., thinking they were genuine merchants—I afterwards called on them at 24, Martin's Lane—I saw no stock in trade; there was just a chair or two there, and a writing desk, and a couple of books—I expected to see large stores—I had written several times, and I went for my money—I saw Trevelli and told him I had come from Devonshire about the money he owed me—he said he could not pay it as he had got none in the office—I said that I was going back shortly and requested him to pay me before I went back—he said that he could not do so, but would pay me in a day or two—I got advice from the police authorities—on 4th August I had previously received this letter at Sidcot. (This was dated 3rd August, and was stated by Morgan to be in Trevelli's writing; it contained a cheque for 5l. drawn by Trevelli on Tattersfield Bros.) I paid that into the Provincial Bank and it came back dishonoured—I had that cheque with me in London, and I said to Trevelli "The cheque has come back dishonoured;" he said "I can't understand that, have you been to Tattersfield?" I said "Yes, and he says he has no account with you "—I had been to Tattersfield and shown him the cheque, and asked him to pay it—I recognise him—he said he had got no account with Hamilton Gordon, and therefore he should not advance the money, I was to get it from them—I afterwards went to the Old Jewry and saw Sergeant Mitchell—I went with him to Martin's Lane, saw Trevelli, told him I could not get the money and should be obliged to take proceedings—he said he had not got the money then but would get 5l. by 4 o'clock—I went at 4 o'clock and there was a ticket fastened on the door stating "I shall be back in a minute"—I stayed two or three

minutes and a man came up who said his name was Scott, and that he had been advised by Trevelli to go and get the 5l. for me, and lie tried his uttermost, and the most he could get was a sovereign—I told him I should not take it unless he could pay the whole of the 5l.—he said that was the highest amount he could raise, and I took it—I went again next day with Sergeant Mitchell and they paid me the remainder of the 5l.—Trevelli also gave me a Macintosh coat till next day as security for another sovereign—he did not redeem it, I have it still—I had received an order from Schneider and Co., Station Road, Elephant and Castle, in 1879, in answer to an advertisement of mine.

Cross-examined by MR. LEVEY. I heard nothing of Schneider between 1879 and June, 1881—he said that he had a son who had a restaurant at the Canterbury Hall—I never was there—the chickens and ducks which I supplied would. I suppose, be sold at dining rooms—'some time after I supplied the last lot of goods to Schneider I saw him, and lie gave me a bill dated August 2nd, drawn on Fullerton at two months, but I think that was after August 2nd—it would he due on 2nd October—I looked in the Directory and saw Fullerton's name in Devonshire Square, and went to his office, but did not find him—I heard at the Mansion House that Fullerton had fallen down dead in the street at the end of September—the cheque drawn on Fullerton was dated August 3rd—I went to Tattersfield's rather over a week afterwards, who told me that his account with them had run out—I had to go away without the money—I heard Tattersfield's landlady give evidence at the Mansion House, and heard her say that Fullerton was dead—she' said she had known him eight or ten years.

Cross-examined by MR. TATLOCK. 8l. 9s. 10d. represents all the orders given me by Trevelli and Hiller—I had sent Trevelli an account including that—Hamilton Gordon wrote to me and told me that it did not matter my sending it to them—I am not in the habit of furnishing accounts to people against whom I have no claim—the first order was for 2l. 12s., 10d.; it was transferred to Hamilton Gordon and Co., and then I sent them a second order; they paid me, I think, 5l., and gave me a bond for 1l.—I did not say at the Mansion House that the whole sum was paid except about 30s., but Trevelli said there was only a few shillings left—having furnished an account to Hamilton Gordon and Co. I could not ask Hiller to pay again.

Cross-examined by Trevelli. 1 did not agree the amount with you and say I would call for it, and also for the sovereign; nor did you say that you would take the coat hack for 1l. 6s., or that it was a sample coat—I tried times enough to get you to take it back, but you would not—I went to your place twelve or fourteen times, I did not see you every time—you gave me 3l. 10s. once when I went—you kept saying you would get the money next day, and 1 was kept in town thirteen or fourteen days—I never got the balance—I wrote to you and said that if you would send it I would send your coat back, or rather the Trade Protection Society wrote.

Re-examined. I would not have sent the goods to Grey, Hiller, and Co. if I had not believed them to be genuine merchants.

CATHERINE JAKE LAINO . I am the wife of William Thomas Laing, of 68, Great Tower Street—in August last Hiller had one room there on the second floor—he had it of Mr. Adams—I saw him there constantly;

he came for letters from time to time—I don't know what business was going on there; I never saw any—there was a desk and some chain there—I did not see any one else there that I know—the last time I saw Killer there was when he was arrested, just before Christmas—after his arrest some papers were left there for him—these (produced) are some of them.

EDWIN WILLIAMS (City Detective), On 3rd January, about 11 a.m., I was watching 68, Lower Thames Street—Hiller came there, and some letters were handed to him by the last witness—I then told him who I was, and that I arrested him on a warrant for conspiracy—he said it must be a mistake—I read the warrant to him, charging him with conspiring with Trevelli, Schneider, and others, and obtaining goods from Horn; he said "The goods were all paid for, and I have had no connection with them for some time"—the name of "A. Adams" was written up there, but he had no office there for some considerable time there was a notice "Bills for acceptance, letters to be left within for Grey, Hiller, and Co. "—I said "Who is Mr. Grey?" he said "Oh, there is no Grey, it is simply to give the name of Hiller a better appearance "—I took him to the station and searched him, and found on him these two documents; one is a notice that a bill on G. Hiller, drawn by——, lies at the London and County Bank, Lombard Street; also an India-rubber stamp with "Grey, Hiller" on the back in ink, a pad, several bills and memorandums, and a pocket-book, with nothing in it of importance; there was the address of "A. Jacob, 4, Sidmouth Street, Gray's Inn Road "—I asked him for his own address, and he gave 6, Hay don Square, Minories—I went there and made inquiries—I found it was a public-house—on 24th January I saw Jacobi in custody at the detective office, Old Jewry—I said "Mr. Jansen;" he said "That is not my name, my name is Jacobi"—I said "You will be charged on a warrant with being concerned with John Schneider, already in custody, for obtaining goods from various persons "—he said "What persons?" I said "Among others Mr. Parnell, of Bristol, a lot of office furniture "—he said "What do I want office furniture for?" I said "If you did not want office furniture why did you get Mr. Rogers, the carpenter, to fit up your office for 10l., which is a great loss to him?" he said "It was Schneider who would make me have the office fitted up. "

Cross-examined by MR. CANNOT. I aid not arrest Jacobi; I detained him till Sergeant Mitchell arrived—I have not given evidence before as to Jacobi—I believe it has been supplied to him.

CLEMENT BREWER . I carry on business as Beeves and Co. in partnership with my brother at 122, Shakespeare Road, Stoke Newington—about the middle of July last I took some samples of tooth-brushes to No. 8, Hop Exchange, the office of Schneider and Co.—I saw the witness Rogers there—I left the samples with him—I afterwards received this memorandum and these orders. (These being proved by the witness Rogers to be written by him by Schneider's direction, were read, and were orders for tooth-brushes, and referred to T. F. Natzyler and Co., 2, New London Street, City.) In consequence of those orders we left two sets of samples and partly supplied one order—this is a statement of account amounting to 3l. 13s. 8d.; the terms were cash—we have never been paid—we went to Natzyler and Co. several times, but found the place locked—we parted with the goods thinking that Schneider and Co. were respectable merchants

—we received these letters. (These were proved by Morgan to be in Trevelli's writing, and were dated 26th July and 4th August, stating that Mr. G. Rodgers, of the firm of Schneider and Co. had submitted samples to them, and requesting their representative to call. Signed Hamilton Gordon and Co.) I went to Hamilton Gordon and Co.—I was not satisfied, and did not supply the goods.

Cross-examined by MR. FILLAN. My brother and I went to the Hop Exchange about a dozen times—I did not see Rogers every time; sometimes I saw Schneider—he spoke to me about the tooth-brushes; he said on one occasion that he did not know anything about them—I saw another man there whose name I don't know; he spoke about the toothbrushes, but he did not seem to know anything about it—Rogers was the only person who seemed to know anything about it—I don't know in whose handwriting these letters are.

By the COURT. It was after we had called several times for the account that I saw Schneider.

JOSEPH TURNER . I am a member of the firm of 8. F. Turner, bedstead and sofa manufacturers, of Wellington Road, Dudley—in February, 1881, I received a letter from H. C. Lorenz; in reply I asked for a reference, and received this letter. (Weir did not identify this as Lorenz's writing, but one dated Feb. 2, enclosing an order for fenders, he stated to be signed by Lorenz.) On 8th February I received this letter from Tattersfield Brothers. (This was stated by Weir to be in Tattersfield's writing. It stated that he had done business with Lorenz for some time, that he had always settled promptly, and considered him good for the amount named) These other letters were received by us from Lorenz containing orders for fenders and bedsteads, which we supplied to the amount of 90l. 18s. 6d.—they were not paid for—we had a bill for 87l. 14s. 6d., which was dishonoured.

ERNEST GREIG VON GLEHN . I am manager to V. T. Ragosser and Co., of Moscow, mineral oil manufacturers—my office is 22, Leadenhall Street—I received these two letters. (These were proved by Joseph Morgan to be signed by Trevelli; they were from Hamilton Gordon and Co., and were dated nth August, ordering 1 tun of oil, and inquiring what reduction there would be on taking 5 or 10 tuns.) After that I called and saw Trevelli at 24, Martin's Lane, and asked for what purpose he required the oil; he said for export to Belgium—I said that I was not authorised to sell for export, and did not supply it—I then received from them this other order. (For one tun of oil at 26l. per tun, not to be exported.) I gave him a delivery order dated 8th August, and before it was delivered I saw the delivery order in the hands of an unknown person, who came to my office with it, upon which I stopped the delivery on 23rd August—I then received this letter. (Weir stated that this written by Huxley, and signed by Lorenz. It was dated 9th August, 1881, and contained an order for two tuns of oil at 26l. for home consumption, to be marked 1 in a diamond.) Any of my clerks would give him the price—I then got these letters of 22nd, 23rd, and 25th August (Weir stated that these were in his writing at Wrights suggestion. They were from Edmunds, Hulme, and Co., ordering a tun of oil, and referring to Wood and Co., of Fenchurch Street.) I believe I sent to them for references. (The third letter stated: "We are not aware of having asked you for credit. When we do it is time to ask us to refuse. In all our

business we have never been asked to make an equivalent. ") I then got this. (Front Tattersfield Brothers, 40, Warwick Lane, Newgate Street, acknowledging samples, ordering eight barrels of oil, and giving as a reference MESSRS. Thompson and Co., of Great Swan Alley, Moorgate Street.) Eight barrels is a tun—I did not send them—I got several orders from Buchanan, Wood, and Co., and supplied them with goods.

Cross-examined by Trevelli. I do not know who the party was in whose possession I saw the order—he wanted to sell the oil back to me—he did not say that he came from you—he represented either that it was in his hands, or that he could get it back for me at a reduction, and intimated that he should be glad of an offer for it, that I might not sec it sacrificed or hawked about in the market—I was to take it back at a price short of what I had sold it for—I did not offer you 2l.—I believe you did not touch the goods; you could have taken them away—I stopped them afterwards.

THOMAS MILLER . I am agent to the Scotch Straw Paper Company (Limited), 17, Paternoster Row—this paper was sent to me by my principals in October, and I wrote to A. J. Miles relative to Wright' Brothers, awl received this reply. (Weir stated that this was in Garth's writing. It was signed R. F. Garth, 31, Lamb Street, Spital Square, stating that he had dealt with MESSRS. Wright, and always found them respectable, and prompt in their payments.) The goods were supplied on 27th October; they amounted to 16l. 17s. 2d.—this is the invoice—I called several times, and saw Tattersfield and Lorenz there—I afterwards received this letter. (Weir stated that this was written by Tattersfield, and signed by Wright. It was an order for 20 reams of paper.) 6l. was paid on account of that on 6th December, and the balance was promised on the 13th, but I received this letter (in Tattersfield's writing) postponing it to the 24th—the balance was not paid—this is my card.

Cross-examined byMR. TATLOCK. I received this letter signed by Garth—the references were A. J. Miles and C. H. Erney—Garth was not a reference at all—I did not supply any goods to Garth or on his representation.

Cross-examined by MR. CLUER. I only saw Lorenz once to my recollection; that was, I think, in the beginning of November at 41, Redcross Street.

THOMAS ANTHONY . I live at 27, Elderfield Road, Lower Clapton, and am agent for MESSRS. Parnell and Co., shop and office titters, 106, Victoria Street, Bristol—I received this letter of 3rd December. (This was from H. Jansen and Co., merchants, 3, Broad Street Buildings, requesting the witness to call on Monday at 11 with regard to some business. Mr. Roeder I spoke to this as being Jacobis writing.) In consequence of that 1 called and saw Schneider—I asked him if he was Mr. Jansen; he said Mr. Jansen had gone to the docks, and would return in about half an hour—I waited half an hour, but he did not return—Schneider said that hé had come there rather than I should be kept waiting—I asked him what was the meaning of the letter I had received from R. Jansen, what business was it that he required of me—he said "To fit up this office "—I went away, and made an appointment to meet Schneider at 1 o'clock at 20, Fish Street Hill—I went there, and saw Schneider first, and afterwards Jacobi—they are dining-rooms kept by Schneider's son—Schneider introduced Jacobi to me; he said "This is Mr. Jansen, Mr. Anthony"—Jacobi then produced one of

Mr. Parnell's catalogues, and gave me an order for furniture amounting to 23l.—he selected the things from the catalogue—he said "I have been in business some 20 years with Mr. Schneider "—he said he wanted the goods for 3, Broad Street Buildings—he said "I have so many gentlemen coming here that I cannot ask them upstairs, not having any furniture there"—Schneider said if the offices were completed by the Friday before Christmas it would be as good as 500 quid in his bank on Saturday—Jacobi said be was going to carry on a wine, spirit, and provision business there—I asked him for a reference; he gave me one, which I forwarded to my firm at Bristol—I subsequently saw Jacobi, and he asked' me when the goods would be delivered; I said I would send them on, they were in hand—they were sent from Bristol to Paddington, and from thence to 3, Broad street Buildings, carriage paid—Jacobi gave me his private address as 26, De Beauvoir Square, Kingsland—Schneider did not give me his private address—T wrote a letter to Jacobi, addressed "2G, De Beauvoir Square, care of Mr. Schneider," and it was returned through the dead-letter office—in the course of conversation I recommended Jacobi to Mr. Rogers, a carpenter, of Valentine Road, to fit up a partition, as he had said that he had been asked 22l., and he thought that too much—I have never been paid for the goods that I supplied—I never saw any legitimate business carried on in this place at Broad Street Buildings—I saw six of our chairs there, tables, and a press stand—they were delivered twice, but there was no one there to take them in; consequently they went to Paddington, and Jacobi afterwards removed them from there.

Cross-examined by MR. CANNOT. I saw six the first time, then two, and then none—I have been in Mr. Parnell's employ 14 or 15 months—their terms are 5 per cent, discount for payment within 14 days, and nett if within three months—there was no other arrangement made in this case—the meeting in Fish Street Hill was about 7th November—that was the date When the order was given, not the whole order, a mahogany press-stand was ordered afterwards—the catalogue was produced by Jacobi, and he pointed out the goods—I am sure the goods were furnished before Christmas—I don't know when ho was arrested—I don't know where the goods are now; the) were at the railway station—I did not see Jacobi on Christmas Eve, or about that time—I don't know of my own knowledge who moved the things from the railway station; I have heard—I did not go to Lisle Street—I have not said so—I went to the office in Broad Street several times—I use my own judgment in these cases—I thought the man was good for 22l.—the credit has expired—I sent the memorandum to my principals—they applied to Schneider and Co., of 86, of Hop Exchange, for a reference, and they supplied the goods.

Cross-examined by MR. FILLAN. AY hen Schneider introduced Jacobi to me he remained all through the interview—it was not my impression that they were in partnership—the order was given by Jacobi personally—all Schneider did was to introduce me to him, and I introduced him to Rogers—I told him if he called with my card he could find a job—I was anxious to assist him, knowing his position—Schneider replied to the letters of my Jinn—they received satisfactory references.

Re-examined. At the time I made the representation to Rogers I believed them to be honest people.

ELLIS THOMAS ROGERS , I am a shopfitter, of 28, Queen Anne's Road,

South Hackney—about the beginning of December Mr. Anthony called on me and gave me a card, and I went to Broad Street Buildings; I saw Schneider—he asked if I was the carpenter; I said I was told to call there to see Mr. Jansen—he said "Mr. Jansen is not here, but I am here to represent him"—he then asked me to walk upstairs to the office, and showed me what he wanted fitted up; it was the partition of a room, glass, and so on, regular office-fittings—he said he had had one or two estimates, but they were rather extortionate—I said "I suppose you want something cheap t" and I gave him an estimate at 10 guineas—I received this note (proved by Mr. Roeder to be Jacobi's writing) requesting me to commence the job and finish it as soon as possible—Schneider told me his name, and said he represented Jansen—I did the work—I saw Jacobi at the office while the work was going on—I have not been paid by him.

Cross-examined by MR. CANNOT. I have not been paid—the partition remains at the office—it-was finished—I sold it for 5l.—I was not satisfied with that.

GEORGE GARRARD . I am an auctioneer, of 74, Hackney Road—I saw Jacobi on 2nd January with reference to getting from me an advance on some office furniture which he said was in pledge at Matthews's Repository in the City Road—I sent for it, and paid the charges, 30s. and it was brought to my rooms—I think the name of Adams and Co., Bristol, was on one of the articles, a desk—I made Jacobi an advance of 4l. 3s., and he signed my book for it "R Jansen"—they were a deal desk, a writing-table, a stand for a writing-press, two Windsor chairs, and two slopes for the desk; that was all—they are sold; Mr. Cohen, a furniture dealer, of Chelsea, bought three items, Mr. Windsor bought the desk, and Mr. Smith, of Charles Square, Hoxton, bought the table.

Cross-examined by MR. CANNOT. I think seven people in all called and asked for these goods—the last persons said they came from a Bristol firm—. he said he understood the things were at my place in the name of Jansen and Co.; I said "No, no goods were sent in in the name of Jansen and Co., I had nothing in the name of Jansen," but I declined to give him any particulars—I don't remember ever seeing Jacobi except when he called and borrowed the money—I did not deny myself to him, or tell my clerk to do so—I was not told that he had called—I saw Jacobi myself when he came about the furniture; my clerk also saw him, and he made out the receipt, and I saw him give the money to Jacob.

MART ANN SMITH . I am a widow, and live at 26, De Beauvoir Square, Kingsland—in August last I let that house to Schneider—he gave me this card of Hamilton Gordon and Co., 24, Martin's Lane, Cannon Street—in consequence of that I applied to Hamilton Gordon and Co. as to his respectability; I got an answer, which I have lost; the purport of it was that he was a respectable man, and quite capable of paying the rent—I let the premises on this agreement (produced) at 40l. a year—I was never paid any rent—I found at Christmas that the house had been let out to lodgers, and that Schneider had put in the brokers on his lodgers.

Cross-examined by MR. FILLAN. I don't know that he took the house for a man named Rogers—I lived in the house—I am not aware that Rogers took possession immediately after the agreement—I understood that Schneider was going to live in the house; I certainly did not understand that lodgers were to be taken in by Rogers—some rent was due at Christmas

—I found out that Schneider had put in the brokers, about a fortnight after he had left—I don't know exactly when he did leave—I did not know that Rogers lived in the house till after Schneider left; that was after Christmas—I did not know who Rogers was—I never saw Schneider there—for all I know Rogers might have been living there from the commencement.

JOSEPH TURNER . I am housekeeper at 3, Broad Street Buildings—I let a room on the third floor there to Jacobi in the name of R. Jansen and Co.—this is the agreement which he signed in my presence. (This was an agreement for 12 months from 10th November, 1881, at 251. a year, payable quarterly.) He gave me two references; one was Mr. Schneider, of the Hop Exchange, the other has been mislaid—Mr. Maxwell wrote to Schneider, and an answer was received.

Cross-examined by MR. CANNOT. I remember some furniture arriving; there was 14s. to pay—I refused to pay it, and it was taken away.

By the COURT. Jacobi said he wanted the office as a commission agent—I did not see any furniture there, except the partition—no business was carried on there; several letters arrived, that was all I saw—I saw Jacobi there several times; I have seen Schneider in his presence; he called there once for some letters for Mr. Jansen—I saw two persons in the office; I don't know them—I don't recognise any of the other prisoners.

EDMUND WILLIAM GABRIEL . I am a wine merchant, of 12, Dowgate Hill, City—in September last I received a communication from Edmunds, Hulme, and Co., after which the prisoner Wright called—I discussed business with him, and afterwards received this letter. (Weir stated that this was in his writing at Wright's suggestion, ordering 50 eases of Cyprian at 15s., to be shipped from Bordeaux; signed Edmunds, Hulme, and Co.: and another letter giving a reference to Wood and Co., of Id, Farringdon Street.) I went to 73, Farringdon Street, but did not go in; the look of the house was enough, and I did not execute the order—I knew the prisoner Jacobi in 1877; he owed me some money, which he did not pay, and I lost sight of him till last autumn, when I saw him standing with Schneider on Dowgate Hill—I took him back into my office; I wrote this guarantee, and Schneider signed it in my presence: "Bear Sir,—I hereby guarantee 7l. 5s., due to you by E. T. Jacobi. 'John Schneider." Jacobi gave me this cheque for 3l. 15s. in 1877; it was dishonoured (This was drawn by Q. Barker and Co., and endorsed by Jacobi.)

Cross-examined by MR. CANNOT. My first transactions with Jacobi in 1877 were for cash; I then let him have some goods, and then he took some more; they were for small amounts—he gave me no false references, and made no false representations—I met him several times, but never accused him of any fraud; I only said I should take more severe measures if I was not paid—I never said I would give him in custody—I was told that he went on the Continent after 1877—I did not know that Jacobi was concerned in this charge till I went to the Mansion House.

Cross-examined by Schneider. I went with you to your office; you faithfully promised that the 7l. should be paid; you said that Mr. Jacobi had been five years from England, had come back, and got into business, and as soon as he had an office he would pay me—you were charged at the Mansion House before Jacobi was there—you made out the guarantee voluntarily; Jacobi did not ask you to do so.

HENRY ALFRED LOVELL . I am an oilman of Newington Road, Hornsey—I became acquainted with Jacobi in December, 1877, and supplied him with goods at a private house in Wellington Road, Wed Hackney—he gave me two cheques, which were dishonoured, and I gave him in charge—he was taken to Clerkenwell Police-court, and Schneider became his bail—he was locked up in 1878—he did not appear on the remand, and Schneider appeared and asked for a further remand.

Cross-examined by MR. CANNOT. I do not know the other endorsee of the cheques—Jacobi was not arrested again, he absconded—I did not find out who the drawers of the cheques were.

WILLIAM JOHN FLUISTER (City Detective Sergeant). Jacobi was in my custody in April, 1875, for obtaining quantities of wine—he was committed for trial at the May Sessions, admitted to bail in 200l.; he did not appear to his bail, the trial was postponed to June, and the recognizance of Mr. Hersfield were esatreated—he was afterwards arrested by Sergeant Tew, and charged with fraud at Clerkenwell Police-office.

Cross-examined by MR. CANNOT. I never heard that he was acquitted;, there is. no one here that can give evidence upon that—Mr. Gye, the prosecutor, went to Australia at the end of 1875—I have not seen Mr. Hersfield since.

THOMAS TEW (City Detective Sergeant). I had Jacobi in custody at Clerkenwell in January, 1878—Schneider became his bail.

EDWARD ROHDI . I am a commission agent, of 2, Pope's Buildings, Tower Street—I knew Jacobi in 1875, trading under, the name of Hausmann and Co., 38, Great St. Helens—he gave me a large order for Westphalian hams, and I supplied him to the amount of 513l. 10s. 8d.—they were delivered to our order at Fenning's Wharf—I handed him the delivery order—he was to have paid cash on delivery; he paid 200l. on account, and gave a promissory note for 100l., payable, I believe, two days afterwards, and an acceptance for 214l.; these are the. Documents (produced)—he represented himself as an agent for a large colonial house, and I believed him to be carrying on a genuine business—the promissory note was never paid, and the bill was dishonoured; I tried to get the money, but could not; I got into his office a dozen times, but there was never any money there—in, I believe, May, 1881,1 had occasion to go to MESSRS. Hubert, Waller, and Co., to get the money for two bills which they-had accepted—I found no one at the office; I went to three places, two of which I found locked, and at the third, Adelaide Place, I was told that they had left, not having paid their rent, and were turned out; one was a small place kept by a widow, a wine shop.

Cross-examined by MR. CANNOT. I made inquiries at an office in the City to which I am a subscriber, and the information I received was very satisfactory—I saw Mr. Hausmann several times; Jacobi is the same person; if I did not know that that man was Jacobi I should call him Hausmann—I saw no one else who passed as Jacobi—I was not told that his son-in-law carried on business there—the hams were sent from Hamburg; they export Westphalian hams there—he never made his acceptances payable at the bank—I did not bring a civil action, because I did not know where he was—the 200l., was paid in notes—I never could see Jacobi at his office after the bill was dishonoured.

Cross-examined by Erney, I told you at the Mansion House that a man had offered to get a draft on a house in Frankfort bearing a well.

known name—we telegraphed to know if it was all right, and found that, though he bore the same name as the banker, he was connected with you, and was a swindler—I called on Mrs. Smith, 184, Old Kent Road; I did not refuse to give her my address—it is so long ago I have forgotten who the bill was accepted by.

JOHN BAPTIST BRILLMEYER . I am a bread and biscuit baker of Rotherhithe; I formerly lived in Canning Town; these (produced) are two of my cards when I carried on business there—I first saw Jacobi in November, 1376; I knew him as Samuels and Co.—he gave me an order for three cases of champagne, price 3 guineas; I supplied them; he did not pay for them—he applied to me to supply him with 20 oases more, and I refused—he gave his address 3, Fishmongers' Alley; I went there and found two empty rooms, one marked "Sample room"—there was nothing there but one champagne bottle; no business was going on.

Cross-examined by MR. CANNOT. Jacobi called at my cellars, and asked me to show him some samples—I told him my transactions would be for cash on delivery—he ordered some more champagne at 21s. a dozen for ready money, which I was to deliver in the afternoon, but in the meantime he sent me a note, "Deliver to bearer the three cases of champagne, and I shall call in the afternoon with the money; "I let it go—I had a great quantity of 21s. champagne; I bought 100 dozen at the Commercial Sale Booms at 10s. 6d. a dozen for cash—I never saw him after he had the champagne.

Cross-examined by Schneider. I have known you five or six years; I know nothing against you—you sold flour on commission, and I said that you might call on me.

JOHN WAKEFIELD . I am one of the firm of Wakefield Brothers, 57, Northampton Street, Birmingham, manufacturing jewellers—I supplied Roods to Erney in August, and at different dates, to the amount of about 47l.—I was paid 9l. on account on August 24, and he had some other goods at the same time—I afterwards received this bill for 24l. 13s. 4d.(This was drawn by Weir and Co., and accepted by L. Martin and Co.) It vas not met, it was returned. (Weir stated that the signature of the drawer was in his writing, and the acceptance Martin and Co. in the writing of John Arnold, and the endorsement to Wood and Co. was very like Garth's writing, and he believed it to be his, and that Erney's endorsement was in Erney's writing.) The balance was not paid—I have since seen my property pawned in different places.

Cross-examined by Erney I called on you first of my own accord—I had perhaps 2,000l. worth of stock with me, and you bought to the amount of 22l. 5s. 6d.—my discount is 15 per cent, for cash in a month, but I wanted cash down—you afterwards wrote for me to come to you, and I came—you paid me 8l.—we wrote for the account, and you sent us a bill—I afterwards called on you for the balance—I said that we did not take Acceptances, but you represented that this was a customer's bill, and I took it—I called for 18l., and you said you would bring the money next day, but you only brought 5l.—I sold you some silver pins for 7s. 6d. a dozen; the nett price would be about 1s. off for cash—I have not seen some of them pledged for 9s. a dozen—other things were plodged which have not fetched half their price-—yours is a well furnished house, or you would not have had my goods, but I only went into one room in the evening—I tried to Serve you with a writ, but could not, though it was issued. before you were in prison.

Cross-examined by MR. TATLOCK. I did not know Erney as Wood and Co.—I knew nothing about the bill being endorsed Wood and Co.

HARRY DAVIS . I am manager to my father, Ormond Davis, whole sale optician, of Birmingham—this order and letter were sent to me 01 6th September, 1881. (Weir stated that he believed this to be Erney's writing. The letter acknowledged samples, and the order teas for goods to the amount of 4l. 4s. 7d.) I wrote to 73, Farringdon Street, saying that I required cash—I then received this post-card, and replied—I refused to supply the order, and I never got paid for the samples.

Cross-examined by Erney. I got your first letter on Dec. 7, and sent the samples the same day or the day after—we send in our accounts at the end of the month, when all goods had during the month are expected to be paid for—the letter of 17th January was not produced at the Mansion House on the first day; you asked for it, but it was mislaid—I put the matter into the hands of the police before the 17th January.

WILLIAM ALLBRIGHT . I am a manufacturer of bird cages, of 136, Conybeare Street, Birmingham—prior to 22nd November, 1881,1 received a communication from C. H. Erney, and afterwards received this order (Asking for samples of bird cages to be sent to 16, Aytoun Road, Brixton). I sent some to the amount of 6l. 7. by the Midland Bail way—I have since seen them at the Thames Police-station—I believed to order to be bond fide, it bore the printed heading of "Erney and Co."

Cross-examined by Erney. I only received one letter from you—there was no reference given—I sent the goods on 22nd December—my terms were cash in a month, 5 per cent, discount for cash—the amount would be due the beginning of January—I don-1 know when you were arrested—my agent called for the order.

SAMUEL PICABD . I am manager to the trustees of George Emerton, paper makers, of 33, Seedley Boat!, Manchester, and Bolton—on 10th December last I received this memorandum. (Weir said this was Tattersfield's writing. This was from the Standard Ink and Sealing-wax Works, requesting samples and prices.) I replied to that, and received this. (This was stated by Weir to be in Tattersfield's writing; it was from Wright and Co., Dec. 13, naming Wood and Co., of 73, Farringdon Street, as reference.) I wrote to them, and received this reply. (Weir stating this was not like Erney's writing, it was not read.)

SOPHIA BROWN . I am the wife of Edward Brown, a cab driver, of 98, Pitfield Street, Hoxton—we let lodgings—in October, 1880, Garth came and took part of a bedroom, which he shared with a man named Sims, at 3s. 6d. a week—he stayed till October, 1881—six months before he left he brought Wright—Garth introduced him as coming from New York, and wanted a very nice place for him—we had not got a very nice place for him that night, but we made him up a bed on a chair-bedstead, he, Sims, and Garth, all in one room—Garth said he did not mind any expense, plenty of firing, he had chronic bronchitis, that was why he had come home—they stayed in the one room about a week, I then got rid of one of my lodgers on the first floor, and Wright took that room at 8s. a week for himself and Garth—ho paid regularly for a week or two, and then he asked for a book, as he could not pay regularly every week, as he did not always get his money, and he would pay monthly—he paid very well at first, we often had to ask for it; at last he got into arrear, and about the middle of October it was 4l. 6s., and we could not get it—on

Friday evening, 21st October, lie said he had 2l., but as he was going to a funeral he preferred keeping it—on Thursday evening he asked me and my husband to go to the Haverley Minstrels, as he had got tickets—at first we objected, but at last we agreed to meet him at Scott's oyster rooms, at the top of the Haymarket—we met Wright and another gentleman there, and they left us to see after Garth—we waited twenty minutes, they did not return, and we saw that we were done and went home, and then found that Garth had been and taken everything away—I next saw him at 41, Redcross Street—he said, "Your pleasure, ma'am?"—I said "Gentleman Garth, don't you know me?"—he said "Oh, yes;" I hope you have not come to cause any disturbance—I asked him for the money—he said it had nothing at all to do with him—Wright was there, but he would not come out; he was in a little back place, an office or parlour—we never got our money—we tried to do so through a solicitor, but he could not manage it—I think "Wright and Co., Manufacturers of Ink and Sealing-wax," was painted up at 41, Redcross Street.

Cross-examined by MR. REDMAN We were disappointed at not going to Haverley's; poor people don't like to be done by such swindlers as them.

Cross-examined by MR. TATLOCK. Garth did not pay his rent after Wright came; he did before, and I then agreed to take it from Wright, as he was the only man that had money—I did not see Garth at Scott's; I saw the friend that came from Antwerp, Lorenz.

DANIEL MORGAN (Re-examined). About the end of November 1 went to 29, Fenchurch Street—I found the place deserted and all the books taken away—the name of "Edmunds, Hulme, and Co." was painted up—I found no one there; there were no chairs there and no business going on—about 16th or 18th December I went to Bed Cross Street and saw Tattersfield—I said "Do you know Mr. Wright?"—he said "Yes"—I said "How long have you been here? what are you here?"—he said "I am manager here for Mr. Wright; I have been here three weeks"—I paid "I knew you at 40, Warwick Lane as Tattersfield Brothers"—he said "Yes, I was there"—I said "Do you know Lorenz?"—he said I 'Yes"—I said "Where?"—he said 12, Harp Lane, Bridge Chambers, and 194, Upper Thames Street"—I said "Do you know Wright as Edmunds Hulme at Fenchurch Street?"—he said "Yes "—I asked where. Wright then was—he said "On the Continent "—I said "You have been giving references for these people and for Hamilton Gordon and Co., 24, Martin's Lane; they have obtained goods from various persons, and they have been giving references from you"—he said "Yes, I have known them about five months"—I went to Harp Lane and to 194, Thames Street, but could find no trace of Lorenz—I have Trevelli's letter here; Tattersfield is mentioned in it several times in reference to Hamilton Gordon and Co.—I know Kendrick's writing—I have seen him write—I found 12 letters written by him at Hamilton Gordon's—I know Trevelli's writing, and produce several letters written by him.

Cross-examined by MR. FILLAN. I had the interview with Tattersfield on 2nd and 20th December—he did not answer my questions readily, quite the reverse—I had let him go but told him it was very likely he would be taken—that was before I cross-examined him—I had not a warrant in my pocket for him, nor was there one—when I said that I arrested him and let him go, it was a slip of the tongue—I find that he bore a very good character till he went to Little Britain to a man named

Stoke—I do not know whether he was in business with his uncle, but it was somewhere in Billingsgate, and he then entered Wright's service, being introduced, I understand, by Stoke—I have no reason to doubt that he was manager to Wright—I find his name in Hamilton Gordon and Co.'s letter-book—I cannot swear that he gave them a reference, but I think I have seen a letter in which he gave Wright a reference.

Cross-examined by MR. REDMAN. I saw a man boiling sealing-wax; there were two boilers, one of which was in use—I saw two. Workmen and the manager—I made inquiries, and found that Wright had been carrying on business for 18 months, and kept a public-house before that.

Cross-examined by Schneider. I have seen Trevelli's letter-book, but have not seen jour name in it.

WILLIAM CROSS (City Policeman). I searched Schneider's lodging at Dalston, found some papers, and gave them to Sergeant Mitchell—I took Garth without a warrant on 21st January—I asked if his name was Garth—he said "Yes "—I said "I believe you know a man named Wright?"—he said "Yes"—I said "You will be charged with conspiring with Wright, Lorenz, and Tattersfield in obtaining goods from Edward Hickey and others"—he said "I have known Wright some years, and believe him to be a respectable man; but the other parties you mention I know nothing about. "

Cross-examined by MR. TATLOCK. I found Garth at Florence Cottage, Waltham—as soon as I went in I said that I was a detective—I asked him the questions about Wright before I took him in charge—I do not remember Wright telling me that he was in no way connected with Garth.

Cross-examined by Schneider, I found also at your house u sewing machine, a washing machine, and an American organ, which I brought away.

JOHN MITCHELL (City Detective Sergeant). On 23rd December I took Tattersfield outside the European public-house—I said "I believe your name is Tattersfield?"—he said "Yes"—I said "I have a warrant for your arrest," and read it—he said "I have known Edward Hulme about three weeks; I am now employed by him under the name of Wright Brothers, in Red Cross Street, Borough, as manager: I live at 24, Wilson Street, Mile End, and am known there as John Ware Tattersfield "—I said "Will you write your name and address on this card?"—he did so—I then took him in custody, and found three letters on him—I took Schneider on 28th December on a warrant, searched him at Thames Street station, and found 23 cards of Jansen's, a letter addressed to Jansen, and some pawn tickets—I searched 194, Upper Thames Street, the premises of Lorenz Brothers, and found there a bill-head, "Lorenz Brothers, and at Hamburg," some cards of 128, Bridge Street Chambers, and some envelopes—I took Welham at Westbourne Park, and told him toe charge—he said "I have never made anything out of the transactions; I do not know Kendrick; I first introduced Trevelli to him when he wanted a suit of clothes. "

Cross-examined by MR. FILLAX. The warrant against Tattersfield is dated 16th December—it was issued in the afternoon.

Cross-examined by Erney, Your house was furnished very well, but there was a bill of sale on it.

Cross-examined by MR. REDMAN. I received Wright from, the Belgian

Police at Dover—I do not think he said to Cross that lie was in no way connected with Garth; I think I should have heard him if he had—I made the entries in my note-book at the station, not in the train—they avoided talking upon the matter in the train.

He-examined. I found 140 duplicates at Lugan Street, Stockwell, where we followed the lady who Erney calls his wife, on 10th February—that was three weeks afterwards—Erney did not live there; he lived at 16, Acre Lane.

WILLIAM WALLER (Detective Sergeant K). In December, 1876,1 took Welham, and on 5th March, 1877, he was tried with 14 others in this Court, convicted, and sentenced to five years' penal servitude.

THOMAS DEERING . I am a warder of Millbank—I produce a certificate of Victor Trevelli's conviction—he was released on licence on 8th February,1881.

Witness for Welham.

JAMES WEBSTER . I live at 3, Crooked Lane, City—I wrote to James Bedford concerning Welham's son, and got this letter in reply. (Dated 27l. 10l. 81, from Bedford and Co., stating that they believed Mr. Welham to be trustworthy to the amount named, or to a much larger extent.) That relates to his son, who had called on me wanting goods, and referred me to Mr. Bedford—I was not aware of the prisoner Welham's existence—I did not consider myself justified in executing the order.

Witnesses for Schneider.

HENRY EDWARD DREW . I am manager to the How Sewing Machine Company, Limited—a sewing machine was delivered at 32, Aldridge Street, Surrey Square, Old Kent Road, in 1875, which was sold to Mrs. Schneider for 9l.; I don't think I-said 8l. 10s.—I think I altered my deposition, but it is six years ago—I do not think I swore that I sold it to you, it is invoiced to Ellen Schneider.

Cross-examined. I afterwards took possession of it—the instalments had been regularly paid up to that time—I afterwards re-delivered it to a person named Schneider—the last payment was in 1878; and 3l. 15s. is still owing, as they moved away, and I could not find them—I have since received a letter from the prisoner threatening me.

JAMES CAVENDISH . I live at 130, Long Lane, Bermondsey—in August, 1877, I took up an order from Schneider to put up a partition and whitewash a shop at 95, King Street, Snow's Fields, and tit it up as a cigar shop for 50l.—I saw Welham, Erney, Jacobi, and Tattersfield with Schneider at various public houses—Schneider kicked up a disturbance and caused about 400 people to assemble, and a man came to me to say that if I would be quiet I should have my money, but I took him by the heels and closed the door-—to the best of my belief Schneider said that Mr. Erney was his solicitor—I did not swear that Erney offered me a sovereign.

Cross-examined by MR. WILLIAMS. The work I did for him was 5l. 17s. 6d., and I never received a penny of it—he wished me to do work to the amount of 50l., but I refused in consequence of something I heard.

Cross-examined by Erney. I cannot say that it was you, but it was a man of about your stature who I chucked out at the door—that was in 1877, and I went to the agent and got Schneider turned out of the neighbourhood.

Garth and Tattersfield received good characters; Trevelli, Welham,

Kendrick, Erney, and Schneider severally addressed the Court in their defence, alleging that in all the transactions, they had endeavoured to act bond fide, that they had made no false pretence, nor had there been any conspiracy between them to defraud.

DANIEL MORGAN (Re-examined by Trevelli). I remember your giving me the name of Lee, Ebert, and Co. to make inquiry about them, and arresting them in connection with Kendrick—I do not remember seeing any telegram of yours; I gave a number of papers up to your solicitor, they might have been among them.

THOMAS ANTHONY (Re-examined by MR. CLUER). Information was supplied to me by Jacobi, or his solicitor, as to where the goods were, and on Monday, 1st May, I went with Sergeant Mitchell to 27, Hackney Road—Mr. Gower refused to show me his books as having received the goods—the information was supplied to me three weeks prior—I had expressed my willingness to Mr. Boardman, the solicitor, to accept the goods back—at that time the credit had not expired.

MR. CLUER (for the prisoner Lorenz), upon MR. BIRON rising to reply, submitted that the reply should be confined to the cases of those prisoners on whose behalf witnesses had been called, and cited "The Queen v. Hayes," 2 Moody and Robinson, p. 155; and" The Queen v. Jordan" 9 Car. and Payne, p. 118.

MR. JUSTICE HAWKINS. In a case like the present, when eleven defendants are charged in one indictment, containing ninety-four counts, with various distinct misdemeanours, alleged to have been committed on different days some by several of the defendants jointly, and others by most of the defendants separately—I do not think that the calling of witnesses by one defendant entitles the Counsel for the Prosecution to a general reply upon the whole case as against all the accused. Where, in an indictment against several prisoners, one of them calls evidence which is applicable to the cases of all, I think there is a general rigid of reply, which the Counsel for the Crown must exercise according to his discretion. But where the evidence called by one prisoner does not affect the cases of the others, as, for instance, when one prisoner calls witnesses to prove an alibi for himself only, and the evidence of those witnesses does not affect the case as against the others, the reply ought to be confined to the case of that one prisoner; so, when, as in the present case, one prisoner is separately charged in the same indictment with an offence altogether distinct and unconnected with the offences charged against another, or others of the prisoners, the calling of witnesses by that one prisoner to rebut the charge made against him does not entitle the Counsel for the Prosecution to a general reply upon the whole case as against all the accused. If, however, from the witnesses called for one prisoner evidence is elicited in favour of others indicted with him, then I think the right to reply should be extended to the cases of such other prisoners, so far as such evidence affects their cases.

This question was raised and discussed, and authorities cited, in the Queen v. Wood and others, Central Criminal Court Sessions Paper, vol. 88, p. 260; and again in Reg. v. Moriggia and others, vol. 88, p. 352.

GUILTY . TREVELLI, SCHNEIDER, and JACOBI— Five Years' Penal Servitude. WELHAM, KENDRICK, ERNEY, LORENZ, and WRIGHT— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour. GARTH —Nine Months' Hard Labour. TATTERSFIELD and HILLER— Six Month' Hard Labour.

THIRD COURT.—Saturday, May 6th, 1882.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

Reference Number: t18820501-517

517. CHARLES HUMPHREYS (18), GEORGE JACKSON (30), and ROSE SMITH (19) , Feloniously assaulting George Hunt with intent to rob him.

MR. ST. AÜBYN Prosecuted.

The evidence is unfit for publication.

GUILTY . HUMPHREYS— Three Months Hard Labour. JACKSON —Twelve Months' Hard Labour. SMITH— Six Months' Hard Labour.


Before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18820501-518

518. CHARLES BUTTONS (20), WILLIAM ROBEY (26), FREDERICK BURCHELL (25), and HENRY TILLEY (27) , Stealing two tarpaulins and a chain, the property of Charles Edwin Fardell, the master of Buttons.

MR. FULTON Prosecuted;

MR. BRINDLEY defended Robey and Tilley.

CHARLES ELSWORTH (Policeman K 32). On 4th April I went with Mr. Fardell to the City of London Coffee-house, kept by Mr. Alldis—there are stables in the yard, and Robey and Tilley stabled their horses there—Mr. Alldis procured the key, opened the loft door over the stable, and moved four trusses of straw, behind which were these two tarpaulins (produced) marked "G. E. R. 7,474" and "G. E. R 7,079," with a red stripe—I went to the Old Gaol gate, saw Barchell, and asked him if Robey and Tilley were on the premises; he said "No "—I said "I have been to Mr. Alldis and found two tarpaulins there which have been identified by Mr. Fardell as his property stolen in December; do you know anything about them?" he said "No"—I asked him who the large chain in the hall belonged to; he said "To me, I bought it of a carman, and gave 1s. for it "—I asked him whose carman; he said "Fardell's, that was all it was worth to me "—I said that I should take him in custody for having it in his possession—Tilley came from some part of the premises, and I said that Mr. Alldis said that the two tarpaulins were placed there by him and Robey—he said "Yes, we bought them of a carman, and put them there "—I asked who paid for them; he said "I am not certain whether it was me or Robey, we had not the money with us, and went to a coffee-shop and got it"—I asked him whose carman he bought it of; he said "Eardell's; that is Mr. Fardell, is it not f' I said "Yes"—he said "The carman asked us whether we could do with the tarpaulins; we said 'Yes,' and he said we were to give him something more when he came again; was not that so, Fred f—Burchell said "I know nothing about the cloths, I bought the chain"—I afterwards took Buttons in Gower Street, Commercial Road, he was with a van, and told him the charge; he said "I did not steal it, the other man stole it and gave me 2s., a portion of the money. I took a steam wheel to Fenn's at Greenwich, the chain was on the wheel, and I kept it on the trolley"—when I got back to the station Robey was there; I believe he went there to see Tilley—I told him he would be charged with Tilley in receiving the tarpaulins knowing them to be stolen; he made no answer.

Cross-examined by MR. BRINDLEY. Robey and Tilley gave straightforward answers to my questions without hesitation—the tarpaulins were very dirty, I had to get a broom and water and wash them to get the numbers—they said that they gave 5s. for them—I found it quite true that they had them from Fardell's carman—there was a small hole in one of them.

CHARLES EDWIN FARDELL . I am a contractor, of Whitechapel, and have a contract with the Great Eastern Railway—on Nov. 15 Buttons and a man named Nottage were in my service, and I ordered them to take a lot of boards to Ilford Gate—Buttons had to start at 5 o'clock with a heavy wheel and chain—I can swear that this chain is ours, but cannot say whether it is the particular one; it is marked with a triangle "G. S. and Co. "—it is worth 2l.—I am responsible for the tarpaulins, but they are the property of the Great Eastern Railway—they formed no part of the things the men had charge of—we never sheet boards up, but Buttons may have had one to put over the fly-wheel—they were worth 4l. each when new, 2l. each now—I was present when the prisoners were taken in custody.

Cross-examined. They are valued by London at 1l. 2s. 6d., but the Great Eastern Railway make their own—I was employed by Lloyd and Co., of Nine Elms, delivering the boards to the buildings at Ilford.

Re-examined. I dare say Tilley and Robey did not know that I carted for the Great Eastern Railway.

FRANK ALFRED ALLDIS . I keep the City of London Coffee-house, Ilford—Robey and Tilley lodged with me, and their horses stood in my stables—they had the use of this loft—I had the key, and they had to get it from me when they wanted it, but it was never locked in the daytime—I noticed these tarpaulins in the loft several times, and first at the end of January, but I knew that builders used such things.

Cross-examined. On the day that the officer came there was a disturbance, and I locked the loft—the men have lived at my place since 7th November, and I took charge of their horses at so much a week—they are honest, respectable men as far as concerns myself—I could just discern the names on the tarpaulins—the letters "G. E. R." were not apparent.

ALFRED BAKER , Shortly before Christmas I was in the employ of Robey and Tilley at the Old Gaol, Ilford—I recollect two loads of timber coming there before Christmas; I helped to unload them—Nottage's van was the first, and Buttons was in charge of the other—Burchell was also there, and Holmes, a labourer—while we were unloading Nottage's van Buttons said "I shall go up to the public-house while you are unloading," and he took the tarpaulin off his own van, and put it by the side of the other—when he came back it was gone, and Burchell told a man to carry the tarpaulins inside the hall—when we had unloaded we went to the Rabbits public-house and had some drink, and in about 10 minutes Burchell gave Nottage some money, and handed some to Buttons, saying "Here, you b——s, that is all you will have "—next morning when I went to work I saw the chain lying inside the building, and said to Burchell "Them carmen have left the chain here "—I had not seen it the previous day—he said "That is my chain, I bought it and gave 1s. for it"—on the same day I saw Robey and Tilley go upstairs where the tarpaulin was put, and Robey said "You gave too much for this cloth, it has got two holes in it"—a few days afterwards he told me to send somebody to have them doubled up and kept out of sight, as he

was going to have them repainted and cut up into horse-cloths—I was present when they were removed from the gaol, and helped to put them into Robey's cart one foggy morning a month or five weeks after they were brought there.

Cross-examined by Burchell. I saw you handing money, but do not know what it was for—I did not carry one of them in; it was too heavy for me to carry—it is the truth that Robey spoke to you about the cloths.

Cross-examined by MR. BRINDLEY. Happy Holmes carried them in; I could not, I have got a smashed toe—I was not discharged by Robey and Tilley for drunkenness; I left—I said at Stratford "I was foreman for them; I very often used to be drunk;" but that was not till I had done work—we had to wait five or six hours for our money, and could not help getting drunk; I was drunk the day before I left—I gave information to the police after I found out where the cloths were, because I thought they had gone far enough with their swindling—I have said "I gave information to the police, because Robey was trying to prosecute me, and I thought I would save him the trouble"—because they were threatening me with proceedings I made this charge against them—I said that Robey was spiteful to me, and had ordered the watchman to turn me out of the place; the watchman told me that himself, and I left in a week, and made the charge—I do not know that it is a very spiteful charge—I did not make it before because I did not know that they were stealing; I found it out six or seven weeks afterwards—I thought at first that it was an honest transaction—I did not pay for these things, I never had any money—I did not tell them that I had a tarpaulin to sell—Robey and Tilley were not there when they were delivered—the tarpaulins were in the old gaol upstairs when Robey told me to have them folded up and put away, so that they should not be seen; that was sonie days afterwards—the horses had two new cloths on—what I say about the money is true; Burchell was the leading foreman and paid all the bills—he and I put the cloths in the cart—I knew that they were living at the coffee-house—I have never been in the loft.

Re-examined. I decline to say what Robey was going to prosecute me for—a good many things were shifted away by him and Tilley, and I expect it was for my share in it—I said if so I would see that they were prosecuted to save them the trouble.

ARTHUR LONDON . I am manager of the Romford manufactory for making tarpaulins for the Great Eastern Railway—I manufacture solely for them—these tarpaulins cost from 38s. to 2l. each; but the wholesale price to buy one would be 3l. 10s. or 4l.—this one, 7474, is worth 1l. 10s. now, but it was worth 2l. when it was lost; 9079 was valued at 1l. 10s. when it was lost; I value it now at 1l. 2s. 6d.

Crow-examined by MR. BRINDLEY. My attention was not called to it at the time they were lost—I am giving the average from our register books, allowing a depreciation for wear and tear; they would suffer much in a loft.

Button's Defence. I know nothing about selling the sheets or the chain; I was in the public-house at the time, but I had 2s. of the money and plenty of beer. My sheet was not sold at all. He said "Leave your sheet; it will look bad not to take it back. "

Burchell's. Defence. I had nothing to do with selling the sheets, or with the money, only with selling the chain. I was asked if I wished

to buy a chain. He said "I have got two, and I only want one; if you don't have it, somebody else will. "He said a man gave it to him for helping him out of a ditch. I asked what he wanted for it. He said "You can have it for 1s. and a drop of beer. "

BUTT0NS— GUILTY of stealing the chain.

BURCHELL— GUILTY . Nine Months' Hard Labour each.


Before Robert Malcolm Kerr Esq.

Reference Number: t18820501-519

519. JOHN RICHARD ROGERS (24) , Robbery with violence on Walter Salmon, and stealing a watch and chain, his property.

MR. LYNCH Prosecuted.

WALTER SALMON . I am a labourer of Romford, Essex—about 11 p.m. on 11th April I was going to catch a train at Stratford, to go home, when three men came up to me, and pulled me backwards—they knocked and kicked me about, and the prisoner took my watch and chain from me—they ran away—I told a constable—I saw the prisoner again after the constable had got him—I was not the worse for drink—I had been to see my brother—I am certain of the prisoner.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not run up against you three parts drunk, and get fighting with you.

JOHN BONIFACE . I am a tramway conductor, and was passing down Martin Street, Stratford—when I came to the corner I saw the prisoner and the prosecutor there struggling on the ground, and a third man standing up—I shouted out "Stop that old man," and the man standing up said to me "All right; it is only two pals having a quarrel"—I stood and waited a minute, thinking it might be a quarrel, and heard the prosecutor shout out "Leave my watch alone," and then I went to separate them, and they let him loose, and the prisoner stepped back and hit him in the face, knocking him over, and knocking the side of his head against the wall—the prisoner ran by him, and made a kick at him, and ran down Martin Street towards the station—I ran back into the Broadway, and called a constable, and told him what had happened—I heard the watch drop, and saw it in the hands of the next witness; it was picked up by the Blue Boar public-house at the corner of Station Street—I saw the prisoner in custody, and identified him.

WILLIAM SHINGLE (Policeman K 225). I was on duty in High Street, Stratford when the last witness came to me, and I proceeded to Station Street, when I saw the prisoner running towards me, with two others—Boniface said it was the one without a hat (the prisoner) that had knocked the prosecutor down, and he had got his watch—I apprehended him, and brought him along about 10 yards, when he dropped the watch from his left-hand pocket, which was picked up and given to me—I told him I should take him into custody on a charge of assaulting a man and stealing a watch, and he said he didn't know nothing about it—at the station he said his mother was lying dead, and he wanted some money to bury her, or he shouldn't have done it—the prosecutor was bleeding from the nose and mouth, and appeared to be kicked about very much.

Prisoner's Defence. I was drunk at the time, and my mother was lying dead.

GUILTY. Twelve Months' Hard Labour,

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

Reference Number: t18820501-520

520. CHARLES WILSON (42), PLEADED GUILTY to breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Nicholas Rose Watson, and stealing one coffeepot and other of her goods.— Nine Months' Hard Labour.


Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

Reference Number: t18820501-521

521. WILLIAM HODGES (41) , Stealing a purse and 5s., the property of Robert Williamson, from the person of Mary Ann Williamson.

MR. SANDERS Prosecuted; MR. WILLES Defended

MARY ANN WILLIAMSON . I am the wife of Robert Williamson, of York Terrace, North Woolwich—on Monday, 10th April, about 10.50 p.m., I was on the platform of the North Woolwich Railway, when I saw the prisoner close behind me—I felt him draw his hand from my pocket, and I took him by the coat and told him he had my money—he said I was a b——liar—I gave him into custody—I saw the purse lying on the ground near where I was—I had two half-crowns in it—-when I saw it on the ground it was open and empty.

Cross-examined. The railway porter called my attention to the purse being on the ground—he told me to stand on one side, as he heard something fall—this is the purse (produced)—directly I felt the prisoner's hand in my pocket I put my hand in and found my purse gone—there was no one there besides—I cannot say whether the prisoner was sober or not.

By the COURT. I was not going by train, but had been to see a friend off.

ROBERT LECKING . I am foreman porter at North Woolwich—I was on the platform—I heard something drop, and turned my lamp round and saw something lying on the ground—I saw the prosecutrix and the prisoner there—he was at her side close to her—I laid the purse on the platform seat and asked her if she recognised it—it was open and empty.

Cross-examined. I did not try whether it would shut.

HENRY GOLLIFER (Policeman K 457). I was on the platform and saw the prisoner standing at the right hand of the prosecutrix—I saw the prisoner throw the purse produced under the seat—the prosecutrix jumped off the seat and said "My God, I have lost my purse!—I seized the prisoner, and said "You have thrown the purse under the seat "—I said to her "What did the purse contain?" and she said "Two half-crowns "—Locking picked the purse up, and it contained nothing—I put my hand in the prisoner's right-hand trousers pocket, and found these two half-crowns (produced)—he said on the way to the station "I am very sorry for what I have done; don't charge me, on account of my wife and family. "

Cross-examined. I believe I said that before the Magistrate—I might not have said so if it is not in my evidence—I have been 13 months in the force—on the platform he said "I know nothing about it"—he was sober—I was taking down the name and address of a man who fall in running after the train, when I saw the prisoner throw the purse down.

MARY ANN WILLIAMSON (Re-examined). I don't know whether anything was said on the way to the station, as I did not walk by the side of them.

WALTER FISHER (Inspector G. E. Railway). I was on duty at the North Woolwich Station on the night in question, and saw the prisoner in

custody—I saw the constable struggling violently, and went to his assistance and asked him if he had got the purse—he had taken the money from his pocket—the prisoner said nothing at first, and then he said "What have you got to grumble at? you have got me to rights"—another constable came up, and I handed him over.

Cross-examined. He also said "You have got a fair cop "—he was not drunk—I should say he had not been drinking—he was very violent.

GUILTY . He further PLEADED GUILTY** to having been convicted at this Court on 12th July, 1869, in the name of William Henry Coil— Five Years Penal Servitude.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

Reference Number: t18820501-522

522. WILLIAM TAYLOR (41) , Breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Clement Joseph Brown and stealing 17 forks and other goods, his property.

MR. GOODRICH Prosecuted.

CLEMEMT JOSEPH BROWN . I live at Tweedmount, Lowther Hill, near Brockley Road, Forest Hill—on 20th March, about 3 a.m., I was disturbed by the barking of my little dog—after listening about two minutes I got up, and on coming downstairs I observed the dining-room door had been opened—I looked round—I found the house had been entered through the storeroom window, five or six steps up above the ground floor—the back door was open—things were strewn about the dining-room, the cheffonier had been ransacked, the handle of a writing case had been wrenched off, a plate basket was missing containing some spoons, also sugar tongs, a sugar basin from the sideboard, a milk jug, and a meerschaum pipe—in the drawing-room the settee cover was taken off, and a concertina taken away—the settee cover was spread out on the lawn—some bottles were taken from the storeroom; some contained wine or spirits, and some were half empty—I found at daylight a decanter in the shrubbery—I recognise this basket and basin—the wine is similar to mine—I locked up safely the night before—I also found a shoulder of mutton off which we had dined on the Sunday—the value of the things missing is between 5l. and 10l.—I fired a revolver five times—I went to bed about 11 p.m.—the table knife (produced) I do not identify.

EDWARD HEARNE (Policeman P 148). I was passing 8, Lawn Terrace, Brockley Road, about 4.10 a.m. on 20th March, when I saw a light in the breakfast room of one of the empty houses—it was suddenly extinguished—I heard footsteps—I went towards the side door which leads to the garden—the prisoner opened the door and slammed it—I heard him run to the back—I ran to prevent his getting over the wall—he kept dodging me backwards and forwards fur about a quarter of an hour—I sprang my rattle; no assistance came—I got partly over the wall, and lie made a rush at the side door and got the start of me of about 10 yards—he ran across the Brockley Road and up the hill, which is all wild—I pursued him for about 300 yards; he fell over a mound—I laid hold of him—I was very much out of breath; he slung himself round and got away—he ran about 40 yards; I captured him again and struck him with my rattle three times—Hayes came up and assisted me—I took the prisoner to the station—he said he was drunk and went in the house to sleep—I was sent back to examine these houses—in a cupboard in the breakfast room 1 found these two bottles; one contains wine, the other vinegar; this bottle labelled "Irish Whisky," this mould, basin, and candle—I opened

the storeroom cupboard, and this bit of candle stood on one of the shelves—these matches correspond with those found at the house—this plate basket I found in the cupboard near the window in the same room, and part of a shoulder of cooked mutton, weighing 3 1/2 lb., and a pound of bread, and this table knife—with the exception of the table knife the prosecutor has identified the property—Mr. Brown's house is about 400 yards from the empty house—I was not aware that his house had been broken into when I found these things—it was about 4. 10 a.m. when I passed the clock, about 10 minutes' walk away.

WILLIAM JURY (Police Inspector P). I was on duty at Lewisham Police-station at 5 a.m. on 20th March—Hearne brought the prisoner in, and said he had found him in an empty house, 8, Lawn Villas, Brocklev Road—I said to the prisoner "What were you doing there?" he said "I had got a drop of drink over night and went there to sleep"—I detained him, and sent the constable back to the empty house-the brought back the articles produced, and some cooked mutton and bread—I said to the prisoner "How do you account for these things?" he said "Why, I bought and paid for the shoulder of mutton in London; I gave 6 1/2 d. a lb. for it, and had it cooked at a lodging-house in London; the bread I bought, the knife is mine"—he said he knew nothing about the whisky bottle, the mould, nor the plate-basket—I charged him with unlawful possession—about 8.20 the same morning I received information, in consequence of which I went to Mr. Brown's house—I found marks between the window sashes which this knife would make, also on the window catch—the entrance had been effected by the store-room window; by pushing back the catch with this knife, taking off the box of the staple lock of the drawing-room door, then he had access to the whole of the house—I found these matches and "candle on the window-ledge and this old handkerchief, and on the lawn the three wine bottles, several dishes, and cake, and cake dish, and two or three other dishes—Mr. Brown went to the station and identified some of the things—the prisoner was charged with burglary—I read the charge over to him; he said "The things were not found on me."

SOPHIA JORDAN . I am wife of Joseph Jordan of M, Milton Road Court, New Cross—the knife produced is mine—I missed some property about the 9th of February—I identified these forks and spoons at the police-station on the 28th of March as having been stolen from my house.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. There is no mark on the forks except the maker's name, Deane, of King William Street—we have had the forks a long time in use—I lost a dozen of small and a dozen of large ones, and the same quantity of knives—there are not two dozen here—my niece came downstairs first after the robbery.

ELLEN Moss. I am the niece of the last witness, and live with her—on 9th February I went to bed, having locked up the house—I came down the next morning and found the premises had been entered, and these knives and forks were missing—I identify them by the name.

THOMAS FRANCIS (Police Sergeant B). On 20th March, when the prisoner was remanded, I said to him "Do you want to communicate with any of your friends?" he said "Yes, I have given the wrong name, my correct name is William Loomes, of 44, Church Street, Deptford "—I went there and found that he occupied a front room, with his wife and two children—I searched the premises and found four pawn tickets, two

of which related to these knives and forks, which have been identified by Mrs. Jordan—and I found also three forks and three knives, which she also identified.

JOHN BIRKITT . I am assistant to Mr. Robert Dicker, of 191, Commercial Road East, pawnbroker—I produce six knives and six forks pledged on 25th February; and two, to the best of my belief, by the prisoner for 2s. 6d.—this is the duplicate.

Cross-examined. The man who pawned them had a prominent nose, and you have a prominent nose.

JOHN MATTHEW STEEL . I am assistant to Mr. William Dicker, of 303, Commercial Street—I produced six table forks pledged on 25th of February for 1s.—I cannot identify the person—this is the duplicate.

Prisoner's Defence. I bought the duplicates in a public-house.

GUILTY .— Fifteen Months Hard Labour.

Reference Number: t18820501-523

523. THOMAS LONG (26) PLEADED GUILTY to feloniously marrying Julia Farnham during the life of his wife.— Twelve Months' hard Labour. And

Reference Number: t18820501-524

524. KATE O'BRIEN (35) to stealing a watch and other goods of James Gillingham, and to a conviction of felony in December, 1875, at Clerkenwell.— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

Reference Number: t18820501-525

525. GEORGE SISSON (18) , Stealing two copper tubes, the goods of MESSRS. Humphreys and others.

MR. GEOOHEOAN Prosecuted; MR. BIBNIE Defended.

JOHN STENT {Policeman). I am stationed at East Greenwich—on 3rd April, in consequence of information I received, I went to Mr. Robinson's shop—he is a metal dealer—he gave me other information, in consequence of which I telegraphed to Mr. Farmer, a metal merchant in Lambeth—I went back to Mr. Robinson's shop—I was shown some tubes—one weighs 3 cwt. 3 qrs. 18 lb., and the other 4 cwt. 18 lb.—I took possession of the tubes on Mr. Robinson saying something—on 5th April I saw the prisoner in the Woolwich Road—I knew him as Smith—I said to Smith, what about those two copper tubes you sold to Robinson's and Farmer's on Thursday?" he said "It is all right; I was dredging against the Atlas ship; I found them; I made a rope fast to them, brought them to High Bridge Dock, sunk them for a couple of tides, and gave some men U. to assist me in putting them into the van "—I said "I shall take you to the station and charge you with stealing them "—he replied "I did not steal them; I have told you the truth about them "—Humphreys's shop is about half a mile from High Bridge Dock—there is a wooden fence 10 or 12 feet high, and a drawbridge to admit property into Humphreys's wharf—the prisoner told me he had a boat the day he was apprehended.

CHARLES JACKSON ROBINSON . I am one of the firm of Robinson and Farmer at 81, Old Woolwich Road, East Greenwich—the prisoner came to me on Thursday, 30th March, between 5 and 6 p.m.—he said "What is your best price for old copper?" I said "5d. a pound "—he said "I have got some down at the Dock High Bridge, will you send for it?" I said "Our van is not unloaded; if you like to wait, as soon as it is unloaded I will send the van "—I sent the van, and it returned with one tube—I sent the carman back for the other, and the van returned with the second tube—the, tubes weighed 8 cwt. 8 lb.—the prisoner was present

—at 52d. per lb. that would be 20l. 14s. 4d.—I paid the prisoner 10l. 9d. on account—I said "We have not quite enough cash to pay you this evening, if you call for the balance you shall have it to-morrow"—he signed this receipt in this book: "John Wraith, 4, Water Gate street, Greenwich" in my presence—he did not call for the balance—I never saw him again till he was in custody.

Cross-examined. I said before the Magistrate "I asked the prisoner where he got the tubes, he said he dredged them out of the water. "

ALFRED MYERS . I am foreman of MESSRS. Humphreys and Tennant, Marine Engineers, Deptford—we keep metal tubes at Lower Yard, High Bridge Dock—I saw two tubes at Mr. Robinson's—they belong to MESSRS. Humphreys and Tennant—it would take 50l. to replace them as manufactured tubes—they were sent to me to overhaul.

Cross-examined. I last saw them four or five months ago coming into the factory—our painted mark, "superheater," is upon them.

ROBERT FORD . I am a watchman in the service of MESSRS. Humphreys, Tennant, and Co.—I saw the tubes at Greenwich Police-station—they belong to MESSRS. Humphreys—I have charge of the lower yard, where they were, about 10 yards from the water's edge—between them and the water was a fence 10 to 12 feet high—I saw them safe either on 28th or 29th March, between 5 and 6 a.m.—Inspector Stent called at the yard on 5th April—from something he said I accompanied him into the yard—two tubes were missing, which were like the tubes I saw at East Greenwich.

GEORGE WARRY . I am an oil and colourman, of 4, Watergate Street, Deptford—that is the only place of that name I know—the prisoner does not live with me—I have lived there since 1879.

JOHN STENT (Recalled). That is the only Watergate Street.

GUILTY .* †— Fifteen Months' Hard Labour.

Before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18820501-526

526. ELIZABETH MACK (45) PLEADED GUILTY to stealing two watches and other articles, and 6l. in money, in the dwelling-house of John Trotter ; also a cloak and other articles, and 5l. in money, of Charles Deeley ; also a pair of sheets, a brooch, and other articles, of Thomas Edward Gwylee — Twelve Months' Hard Labour.


Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.

Reference Number: t18820501-527

527. EDWARD OVERHILL (57) , Feloniously wounding Emily Howard, with intent to do her grievous bodily harm.

MESSRS. POLAND and MONTAGU WILLIAMS Prosecuted. EMILY HOWARD. I am the wife of Edward Howard, a solicitor, of 71, Oakley Street, Lambeth—the prisoner is my brother—about the end of March or the beginning of April he came to stay with me for three weeks, and I kept him—I had not seen him for two years, and then not for 14 years before that—on Tuesday night, 18th April, we had some words, and I told him I would not let him stay any longer, and he ought to get some work—he slept out that night, he came in next morning about half-past 8 o'clock—he said "I don't know whether I am welcome or

not "—I told him I did not want him to stay any longer—I also told him he might light a fire and make some tea—he did so, and remained till the evening—some friends came in, and we all had something to drink together—my friends then went away, and I went out—when I came back, about 11 or 12 o'clock, I found the prisoner in my bedroom—he began to use abusive language to me, and I requested him to go away—he said something to me and I took up the tongs and said. "If you hit me again I will knock your brains out "—I did not strike him—he had not hit me then—he had assaulted me on the Saturday evening previous—when I said this he took up this shovel and hit me across the head and stunned me—I fell on the bed and the blood ran down my face—while I was on the bed 1 found a knife at my throat; I did not see it; I struggled for my life; the prisoner was on the top of me—he said "You b——, I will be hung for you"—I got away from him and ran down into the yard and bathed my head—the police came and took the prisoner to the station—a doctor was sent for, and he dressed my head—I am still under his hands—I have been suffering a good deal since—I have not seen the prisoner do any work since he worked at Ware as a blacksmith, that is about 20 years ago—each time he has come to me I have not known him do anything—I don't know how he has got his living—I know no more of his career.

ALBERT WRIGHT (Policeman L 32). I was sent for to 71, Oakley Street, about 5 minutes past 4 o'clock in the afternoon—I saw the prisoner in the front parlour—I asked him what was the matter—he said, "She is mad; I struck her with the poker"—that was all that was said—I took him into custody—the prosecutrix was in the back yard, her head was bleeding; she was bathing it with cold water—I took her into the room—the prisoner appeared to have been drinking; I think he knew well what he was doing—I should say that he was drunk; he walked to the station—the prosecutrix was very much knocked about the head; her throat was cut very much—in my opinion she had been drinking—about three-quarters of an hour after taking the prisoner to the station I went back and took possession of this shovel—I found it on the floor in the bedroom, it had blood on the knob end—I also found this knife in a cupboard in the bedroom, it had some dry blood on it towards the point—I found on the prisoner a clasp knife, there was no mark on that.

WALTER JOHN BROOKS . I am a surgeon, of 137, Westminster Bridge Road—I saw the prosecutrix at the station about 5 o'clock—she had lacerated and contused wounds on the scalp, and an incised wound across the throat, such as would be produced by a knife like this—she was bleeding profusely, and fainted—the wounds in the head were not in themselves dangerous, but they might have been, as erysipelas might have set in—one wound was quite an inch or an inch and a half long, and went down to the bone—her life has not been in danger—I noticed that her breath smelt of drink.

Prisoner. I have nothing to say.

GUILTY .— Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

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528. JOHN KELLY (22) was indicted for feloniously shooting at Herbert Walter Moss, with intent to do grievous bodily harm.

MR. MONTAGU WILLIAMS and MR. MEAD Prosecuted; MR. LILLEY Defended. MR. WILLIAMS, after opening the case, offered no evidence on this charge.


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529. JOHN KELLY was again indicted for an assault, to which he PLEADED GUILTY. Three Months' Hard Labour.

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530. CHARLES TAYLOR (31) , Feloniously killing and slaying Francis George Heriot.

MR. LILLEY Prosecuted. CHARLOTTE CHAMBERS. I am the wife of Thomas Chambers, a bricklayer's labourer at Norbiton—on Thursday afternoon, 23rd February, between 5 and 6 o'clock, I was in the Sir Robert Peel public-house—the prisoner and deceased were there; they were playing cards; they played a game or two, and each lost a game—they then went on to play double or quits who was to pay for it; apparently Taylor lost—there were a few words over the payment, and after that they said they would go outside and settle it—they did go outside—I followed out directly after; they fenced up to each other in a fighting attitude—Taylor had his coat off; but whether the other had pulled his coat off or not I will not say—I never saw a blow struck—Heriot clasped his hands to the lower part of him and said "I am done; I am stabbed"—he was soon afterwards removed in a barrow to the infirmary—I saw nothing else, only a few words between my son and the prisoner; but that had nothing to do with their quarrel at all.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not see a blow struck—the deceased was in a stooping position when you shoved him with your knee—your right knee was lifted; that was what I supposed done it, for I never saw a fist lifted—I will not take my oath whether you shoved your knee or no—I said at Kingston, to the best of my opinion it was the knee, and I say so now.

Re-examined. I saw the knee bent, and it was immediately after that that the man clasped his hands as I have stated—I did not see any kick but I saw the foot rise, and that instant he clasped his hands and said "I am done "—I could not say whether the knee was close to the deceased's body; they were close together—I have never said that I saw the prisoner kick with his knee; I did not say so before the Magistrate; it was the knee—it was not a kick, he gave him a bunt with the knee; that is what they called a kick—1 saw the knee rise; I did not see it go—they were not wrestling with each other; they did not have their arms on each other.

By the Prisoner. It was about 11 o'clock in the morning when I went to the Sir Robert Peel—the row took place, as near as I can tell, between 5 and 6 o'clock—I was in and out of the house the whole of that time—my two sons stood outside at the time this occurred; one stood against the barrow.

Prisoner. I hit him once, and only once.

ESTHER HERIOT . I am the widow of the deceased, and live at South Croydon, my husband was a groom, and was 36 years of age on 27th February—he left Croydon on Tuesday, 21st February—he was then in good health; he had always enjoyed good health; he never had a day's illness during the 13 years we were married—I afterwards saw him dead, on the 27th.

ARTHUR FULLER (Detective V). At half-past 12 o'clock on Sunday morning, 26th February, I took the prisoner into custody—I read the warrant to him; it was for unlawfully assaulting the deceased—he said "I did not kick the man; I struck him in the lower part of the body. "

ALFRED MILSOM . I am a labourer at Kingston—on 23rd February I was in company with the deceased and the prisoner—I was present when they were playing at cards; there was a dispute about paying for the loss; they went outside, and I went out also—they sparred up together, but I did not discern the blow, whether it was his fist or his knee—the deceased said "I am done; I will treat you; you can go in "RICHARD DONALD HARRIS. I am a surgeon—on 23rd February I saw-deceased in the infirmary at Kingston, about 9 o'clock—I attended him daily from that time till Monday, the 27th; he died on that day—I made a postmortem examination on the Wednesday—the cause of death was rupture of the bladder followed by peritonitis—a blow with the knee on the lower part of the belly would be very likely to have caused the injury; a blow from the knee would be more likely to cause it than a blow from the fist; either of them might cause it.

GEORGE PORTER . I am clerk to the Clerk of the Borough Justices of Kingston—on the morning on 27th February I accompanied Mr. George Wode, one of the Justices of the Borough, to the infirmary, where the deceased was lying ill; the prisoner was present—I took a deposition from the mouth of the deceased in the presence and hearing of the prisoner; he had the opportunity of cross-examining, and he did so—the warrant was issued for unlawfully assaulting him, with intent to do grievous bodily harm, and causing bodily harm—the deceased was reported to be in a dying condition, and he was so—this is his deposition. (Read: "Francis George Heriot, being sworn, saith as follows:—On Thursday afternoon, 23rd instant, I was in the tap-room of the Sir Robert Peel public-house, playing a game of cards with the prisoner for a pot of beer. Taylor lost four games, and paid for three pots of beer, leaving one pot to be paid for. After that I had a quarrel with Taylor, and he challenged me to fight him. We went out into the road, and squared up. I did not strike him, but I felt a blow at the bottom of my stomach, which was done by the prisoner butting me with his knee. After the blow I have no recollection of what occurred."

Cross-examined by the Prisoner "You stripped first in the tap-room. I did not pay for 2d. worth of whiskey for you after the blow. "

The Prisoner's Statement before the Magistrate "I wish to say that on the day in question I was at the Sir Robert Peel with the deceased drinking. We played several games during the day till about five o'clock in the evening, when there was some words between the deceased and me, in which the deceased was in the wrong. He jumped out of the tap-room and pulled off his jacket and said he was as good as me; I said 'I dare say other people are as good as you in that game, 'meaning fighting. 'I said, 'Don't create a disturbance in the man's house, come outside,' and when we got outside I said, 'Do you mean to fight?' he said, 'Yes, let us have an up and down;' I said, 'Well, I shall not show myself a coward,' and we both stood up in a fighting attitude; he struck at me, and I jumped on one side, and he ran into me and tried to catch hold of my leg; with that I shook out my left hand and hit him somewhere; he turned round and said to one of his mates, 'Alf my guts are coming down again;' he said 'Well, you are a better man than me and I will treat you and fight you another time,' and we went in; he stood twopenny worth of whiskey and had twopenny worth himself. I knew no more till I heard the man was in the infirmary next morning, when I was sorry to hear it. "

RICHARD DONALD HARRIS (Re-examined. The general state of the deceased was quite healthy, there was not any indication of hernia.

Prisoner's Defence. I am very sorry to say that my witnesses have not come up to-day, they thought 1 was to be tried to-morrow; the detective subpoenaed three witnesses against me, but they were all on my side, and they were ordered out of the witness-box. I was told if I subpoenaed them I should have to pay their expenses. This woman was in the Sir Robert Peel during the day. Once she fell down and bruised her forehead, after that she sat down to cards and played £2 stakes. If any one knows it, it is her own sons. She won the game. One son was showing her how to play, and the other was looking into the other person's hand. The man turned round to me and said "I will treat you another time if I have done a cowardly action. "We went outside. I was in my own defence, and I shook out and hit him, where I don't know. After that we went in and had a drop of whiskey together. He afterwards went out, and he fought with her two sons and her with them. When I saw a chance of getting out of it I did so. I have no doubt the woman went to the infirmary and told the man what to say, as he was a great favorite of hers. The day his deposition was taken he was unconscious. He was asked if the knee did it, and he said yes. What I did was the result of the one blow, and only one, that I hit him. I am very sorry for what has occurred.

GUILTY. Recommended to mercy by the Jury .— Two Months Hard Labour.

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531. ADA OVERALL (18) , Feloniously setting fire to a mattress, sheet, and dress in the dwelling house of Robert Overall, Susannah Overall and others being therein, under such circumstances that if the house had been thereby set fire to she would have been guilty of arson. Second Count for attempting to set fire to the said dwelling house by setting fire to the said articles.

MR. KEITH FRITH Prosecuted.

SUSANNAH OVERALL . I am the wife of Robert Overall, of 1, Cyril Street, Walworth; the prisoner is my daughter and has been living at home with me—on the afternoon of 17th April she was very violent, and I went into my lodgers room because I did not want to stay with her—I don't remember what she said—whilst I was in the lodger's room she set fire to the mattress and bed in the front room downstairs, my room; I did not see her do it, but I smelt fire and went down and found the bed in a burning state—a person came in from the other side of the road and told me of it—I called for assistance and put the fire out, and I sent for a policeman and gave my daughter into custody—my lodger, three little children, myself, and the prisoner were in the house at the time—the bed stood against the partition, which was lath and plaster; it was an iron bedstead about 2 feet from the floor—part of the bed was burning when I saw it, it was flaming up; a dress and a sheet were put upon it and paraffin oil poured on it; nothing but that was burnt, the bed was stripped at the time, there were no clothes on it; the dress was put on it—there was a smell of paraffin—the fire was put out with the assistance of neighbour and the mattress was taken into the yard.

by the COURT. I am afraid that at times the prisoner is not quite right in her mind, she cannot be to act like this; I had not done anything to put her out—she behaves very strangely at times—I did not speak to her about this, I had not time; I sent for a policeman—she had not done anything

of the sort before; she had burnt two shirts some days before—that was done wilfully, put in the copper fire.

BLANCH MILLS . I am the wife of William Mills, of Cyril Street—on Thursday afternoon, 7th April, about three o'clock, I saw flames in Mrs. Overall's parlour—I went over and saw the prisoner in the room standing by the window fanning herself with a fan—the window was shut—the mattress was all on fire and some other things on the bed were in flames—the prisoner did not try to put it out—she did not speak to me, or I to her; I called some men in and they put out the fire.

By the COURT I have known the girl ever since I have been there—she broke a window early one morning—I saw no reason for it—I think she has a very good home, I don't see why she should do anything of the kind.

JAMES BATES (Policeman P 257). The prisoner was given into my custody—I asked her what she had been doing—she said she had put some oil on the mattress and set light to it; and she meant to do it—I told her I should take her to the station on that charge from what her mother stated to me—I found the bed still burning out in the yard; nothing in the room was burnt, only the dress and shirt—no part of the house was burnt.

MR. JUSTICE HAWKINS was of opinion that this evidence would not warrant a conviction, if the Jury should be of opinion that the prisoners' intention was merely to destroy the property and not to bum the house. His lordship referred to the cases of The Queen v. Maggie Nattrass and The Queen v. Harries and another, in the Central Criminal Court Sessions Paper, vol. 90, page 522, and in leaving the case to the Jury said that if they were of opinion that the sole intention of the prisoner was to set fire to the bed and do no further mischief, then on this indictment she ought to be acquitted, but if she intended that the fire should communicate with the House and so burn the house, she would be guilty.

Prisoners' Defence. I plead guilty to setting fire to the bed—mother and I had been having a good many words that morning, and I was so upset that I did not know what I was doing.


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532. SARAH MILLER (39) was charged, upon the Coroner's Inquisition only, with the manslaughter of Charles Henry Miller, aged three weeks.

MR. POYNTER, for the prosecution, offered no evidence on the Inquisition, the Grand Jury having thrown out the bill.


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533. SARAH MILLER was again indicted for unlawfully exposing the said child, whereby its life was endangered and its health permanently injured.


Before Mr. Recorder.

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534. JOHN HEATH (42) , Unlawfully obtaining by false pretences a cheque for 300l. and other sums, with intent to defraud. Other Counts for making a false declaration.

MR. BESLEY Prosecuted;


After the case had proceeded for some time the prisoner stated that he desired to plead guilty to the charge of making a false declaration, upon which statement the Jury found him GUILTY on those counts ,— To enter into recognisances to appear for judgment next session.

Before Mr. Recorder.

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535. WILLIE GUTRIE (22) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Eli Marshall and stealing 2s., his money.



ELI MARSHALL . I am a chemist and druggist, of 3, Mortlake Terrace, Kew; my household consists of myself and a lady named Newton; we are the only persons who sleep on the premises; Mrs. Newton has a boy but not on the premises—I missed money from my till in the counter about four times in March; I determined to watch, and on 24th March I came down shortly after 11 p.m., placed myself in the parlour at the back of the shop which fronts the street, and shortly before 1 o'clock I saw a light thrown on the back window, and heard footsteps in the back garden—they passed down the steps to the basement; I then heard the handle turn and the scullery door open; I next heard footsteps across the kitchen; heard the door open from the scullery under the trap, and then heard steps softly ascending the ladder; heard the trap-door pushed up quietly, rested back, and a figure crept up carrying a bull's-eye light; it passed softly round the back of the counter towards the window where there is no outlet—my till is in the middle of that counter—I heard the lock of the till turned and heard the rattle of money in the till pool as the clock struck I—he returned along the counter, and as he passed me again I saw he was a policeman, and therefore judged it wiser to let him depart, as I was alone—he went down the trap-door and left in the same way; on 27th March I determined with my friends Mr. Bower, Mr. Horton, and Mr. Thompson to watch—we all four placed ourselves in the parlour behind the shop about a quarter to 12 o'clock, and shortly before I on the Tuesday morning I heard steps at my garden gate; they softly crossed the garden path, passing the ground floor door, and again went down to the place on the stairs, and I heard the scullery door unfastened by the turning of the handle; I had left it shut; I next heard the door from the scullery into the kitchen open, and heard footsteps quietly cross the kitchen, pass the kitchen stairs, and heard the handle of the door leading into the shop cellar unfastened; there was then a pause for about a minute, during which we kept complete silence; I then heard footsteps ascending. the ladder; the trap-door was opened up, and rested back, and a figure emerged carrying a light; it crept stealthily round the back of my counter to the till; I heard the key turned in the lock; that is the only key on that side of the shop—I then heard the door pulled open as the clock struck 1, and heard the rattle of money in the till pool; the light remained stationary—I saw a figure stooping over the till, and whispered to the witnesses to look and see also; 1 then stepped out, saying, "What are you doing there?"the figure started up; I heard the till shake and the light was turned off—Mr. Horton immediately turned on a bicyclist's bull's-eye which he had, and we discovered the prisoner standing upright; he said, "All right, Sir, only a policeman; found your doors all open: came to see all was right"—I am sure that all the doors were shut before we took our positions; I had tried the handle of the cellar door not long before going into the parlour—Mr. Horton presented an unloaded pistol at the prisoner and said, "Move a step and you are a dead man"—we then lit the gas, and I went to the counter and blocked the way—I had placed 17s. 6d. in

silver in the till, and marked some of it and locked the till, leaving no money on the counter, but after the prisoner was discovered I found a florin on the counter—I sent Mrs. Newton for a constable and the prisoner was given in custody—he said, "I kicked at the steps, and could not make anybody hear;" I said, "We were all listening and you made no alarm whatever "—I went back to the shop and got the florin, which was lying on the counter; this is it.

Cross-examined. My house is one of a terrace; there are stables at the back—there is no thoroughfare through the mews; there is a gate from the mews into my garden; there is a lock on it, but it is useless—it would fly open if any one pushed against it—any entrance from the back is through that gate—I did not miss money after the 21st, but I missed a bottle of perfume, and I am not positive that 1 did not miss a bottle of essence of wood-violets—there were workmen on my premises at the time, but not when I missed those goods; they were there while I was missing the money, sometimes one, and sometimes half-a-dozen—there is a bolt and a lock to the basement door—I had not watched during the night before the 21st, but I had about 6 in the morning—the basement door was fastened by a bolt, but on the 20th it was only closed—it would not fly open with a push without turning the handle—I left it unlocked purposely on the 21st; I cannot say whether it was bolted on the 19th—I do not know the superintendent or inspector at Richmond; I do not think they use my shop—I did not report this at the station—some of the money was marked with acid, and I was the last person in the shop after it was marked—I did not count the money in the till every night, but on finding it wrong I took account afterwards; I had been counting it about a week—I did not tell the officer who took the charge that a florin had been found on the counter; I did not mention it till I got to the station—I sent Mr. Bower back to count the money before we got to the station; I did not count it before I gave the prisoner in custody.

Re-examined. In order to get in on the 27th he must have turned the handle of three successive doors which I had purposely left unbolted.

ALBERT HAMILTON HORTON . I am a draper, of Waterloo House, London Street—on 27th March I watched with Mr. Marshall, Mr. Bower, and Mr. Thompson, in the parlour behind Mr. Marshall's shop—about 10 minutes to 1 o'clock alight was thrown on the sitting-room window; there were steps down the stairs, and then a door was opened, then another door and a third, and I saw a passing light from the sitting-room window, and the steps went behind the counter to the till—I saw a figure bending over the till and heard money rattle, and then the clock struck 1—Mr. Marshall opened the door, and as he went round the counter I rushed out with a bull's-eye and a pistol, saying" 381 B, make a step or you are a dead man, "turning the light on the prisoner—Mr. Marshall said "What are you doing here?" he said "All right, a member of the force, found your door open and came in;" I said "It is a lie, all the doors were closed "—he asked Mr. Marshall if he knew he ought to be on his beat why he was detaining him—a constable was sent for and he was given into custody.

Cross-examined. I was the nearest to the prisoner—the light in my. hand was the only light in the room—I had a good opportunity of seeing the prisoner's position—I did not see any money on the counter because there f was a show-case in the way—I provided the pistol—it was arranged that

Mr. Bower should turn the gas on—the moment the prisoner heard a noise he turned off his light; his head and shoulders could be seen behind the counter.

ALBERT BOWERS . I am an artist, of 5, Gloucester Road, Kew—I was with Mr. Marshall on 27th March—heard footsteps down the stone steps—the man came in, and I went with Mr. Marshall from the parlour and found the prisoner there—I had heard the chink of money—a constable was sent for and he was taken to the station—as we went there Mr. Marshall asked me to go back; I did so, counted the money in the till, and found 15s. 6d.—I saw a florin on the counter and left it there—I made this plan (produced).

Cross-examined. I heard a chink like one piece of money touching another—the till is flush with the counter when it is locked—I do not know whether the counter projects, but the key would project beyond the counter.

JONATHAN THOMPSON . I am a draper, of Regent House, Kew—I watched with Mr. Marshall on 27th March—I put my foot on the trapdoor, and there the prisoner was.

MARY ELIZABETH EVANS . My husband is a dairyman, of 6, Mortlake Terrace, Kew—about 1 o'clock on Tuesday morning, 28th March, I was looking out at my bedroom window on the second floor, and saw a man walking towards Mr. Marshall's with a bull's-eye; he went into Mr. Marshall's yard; he did not stop at any other door—I opened the window and looked out, and he and the light disappeared—I went downstairs where my husband was sleeping, called him up, we both dressed ourselves, and went to Mr. Marshall's—when we arrived there the prisoner was in the room and another policeman came in and took him in custody.

TIMOTHY SHEPHERD (Policeman F 343). I have known the prisoner for some time, he is 381V; I have acted with him on duty; he has been about two years in the force—on Tuesday morning, 28th March, I was called to Mr. Marshall's, went in by the shop door, and found him there, and the prisoner and the others—Mr. Marshall said "I give this man in your charge for being on my premises and stealing money from my till;" I said "How did you come here?" he said "I found the back of the house open, and thinking there was something wrong I was having a look round "—I took him to the station—Mr. Bowers went back while we were on the road, but he overtook us before we got to the station.

Cross-examined. It is not a particularly lonely place; there are houses ail round—there would be stablemen and grooms there in the evening up to 11 or 12 o'clock—I said at the police-court that Mr. Bower said that he found 17s. 6d. in the till and 2s. on the counter; I am sure of that—I have been six years in the force.

DAVID FAIREY (Police Inspector V) On 28th March I was on duty at Richmond when the prisoner was brought in and charged with stealing 2s. from the till—he said "I found the door open and thought it was my duty to go in "—he took this table-knife out of his pocket, this corkscrew, and a combination of small tools, of which the screwdriver was open.

Cross-examined. Some taps were stolen a night or two previously—it is not usual for policemen to carry these combination tools to trim their lamps; it is the first time I have seen it; I do not know what he would carry the knife for—it is a constable's duty to try the doors to see if they are locked,

and to arouse the inmates if he finds a gate open—when I was a constable if I found a garden gate open and the basement door turned on my hand I should have tried to arouse the inmates; I never went further, I should try to get assistance.

Re-examined I should not have gone to the till.

GUILTY .— Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

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536. JOSEPH WILLIAM NUTT (22) and GEORGE PORTER (22) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Allan Jeffery, and stealing one salver, one coat, a carpet, and other articles, his property.

MR. WILLES Prosecuted.

THOMAS LIVERMORE . I now live at 315, Camberwell Road—on Saturday, 25th March, about 11.15, I was up in a loft and saw the prisoners running down a passage at the side of my house, which leads to a stable—Nutt took a silver plate from under his coat, and put it under the stable door opposite me—I informed 215 P—I saw the police go and look at the plate about five minutes afterawrds—I showed it them.

Cross-examined by Nutt. I had no light, but there was a lamp hanging right opposite where you put it under the door.

WILLIAM KEMP (Policeman P 215). Livermore spoke to me; I communicated with Taylor, and we both went to Stoke's Passage—Livermore pointed out the stable door; I searched underneath, and found these three pieces of plate (produced)—we left them there and kept observation on the place till the prisoners came back at 12.5—Nutt stooped down and Porter was standing close by him—we bounced on them, and I said to Nutt "What have you under your coat?"—he produced these articles—we took them to the station—Nutt said "I saw a man put it there, and I fetched it away. "

THOMAS TAYLOR (Policeman P 37). I was with Kent—I have heard his account; it is correct—I saw Nutt take the things from under the door—we did not discover that the plate was in three pieces until we picked up the top piece.

Cross-examined by Nutt. I did not come to Porter's cell and say "You will be charged with three pieces, now we have found another one. "

HARRIET BEVIS . I was left in charge during the day, of 8, Station Road, Camberwell, for Mr. Jeffery—on Saturday night, 25th March, I left the house about 10.45—I locked it up, but left the front door on the latch—these articles were quite safe when I left.

ALLAN JEFFERY . I live at 8, Station Terrace, Camberwell—this property is mine—I returned home on Saturday night at 11.30, found the street door wide open, and missed an Ulster; and on entering the dining-room I missed the lid and bottom of a butter dish, a salver, two silver forks, silver napkin ring, and several other articles—the latch was not broken, forced, or strained.

Nutt's Defence. This is a dark and narrow court, and you can't see half a dozen yards in front of you; and this man was in a dark loft; it was impossible for him to see and to recognise a man again.

NUTT— GUILTY **.— Twelve Months' Hard Labour. PORTER— GUILTY .— Six Months' Hard Labour.

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537. GEORGE SUNSHINE (40) , Unlawfully obtaining 2l. from William Woodward by false pretences.

MR. BESLEY Prosecuted;

WILLIAM "WOODWARD . I am a Director of the London and Manchester Insurance Company, Limited, and have been connected with the company ever since 1869—the business is principally done by agents canvassing for persons to insure their lives—the prisoner applied for the position of agent for the Walthamstow district—this (produced) is his agreement, dated 22nd September, 1881-—these forms for proposals for policies, and this collecting book, were given to him by the company—I received these weekly returns from him, and lie produced the collecting book at the same time—it is in his writing, and his name is signed to it—it sets out on page 10 certain proposals between December 5th and 9th—I should receive it on the 9th—he purports to give here an account of the money he has received and the amount due to him for his remuneration—he paid me the balance, 1l. 2s. 3 1/2 d., deducting 20 per cent, for his remuneration—I agreed the account with him, after asking him if these 14 proposals were all genuine—nine of them, Mary Johnson, James Spenceley and Susan Spenceley, Elizabeth and Julia Hardy, Frederick and Jane Daniel, and Frederick Daniel, an infant, are fictitious—I put a check on him at the end of December, but he ceased to come to the office—he used to come every Friday, but he did not come once during January, February, and March—I went to the police-court and-proved my case.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. The last time you were at the office was January 18th—I settled accounts with you every Friday—I asked you distinctly whether these people signed these proposals or put their cross if they could not, and you said "Yes"—I paid you 2l. on this occasion.

WILLIAM LOW . I have occupied 46, Amity Road since August, 1881—no one named Mary Johnson, aged 32 next birthday, has lived there—I do not know the prisoner.

FRANCES SPENOELEY . My husband's name is Thomas—we have occupied 20, Maud Road, Stratford, 12 months' last February—I do not-know Jane Spenceley, aged 31, or Susan Spenceley, aged six years—I did hot tell anybody to make these proposals—I saw the prisoner once canvassing for this society, and told him I was in Another society and did not wish to join this.

Cross-examined. You called once with a tall gentleman; you did not bring me any policy—I saw no paper—I objected to the thing altogether.

GEORGE HARDY (Policeman K 342). Between July, 1881, and April, 1882,1 lived at 27, Maud Road, Stratford, and let a portion of the house to George Smith—no one else named Hardy lived there except my wife and child—there was no Samuel Hardy, aged 41 or Elisabeth Hardy, aged 30, or Julia Hardy, aged 42—these signatures are not my wife's writing—I never put a cross to a paper of this kind—I have known the prisoner 18 months or two years; he was formerly an agent for the Prudential, but he never canvassed me, and I never authorised him to pay premiums on my account.

Cross-examined. You did not call on me in December, nor did I shut the door in your face—I should have known you.

ELIZABETH HARDY . I am the wife of the last witness—this "Elizabeth Hardy" is not my writing, nor did I authorise the prisoner to write it

for me—I did not pay him anything on account of the premium—it is not true that he witnessed my signature.

JOHN DANIEL . I have lived at 43, Maud Road, Stratford, for a year and six months, with my wife Mildred, and my children, Joseph, Isabella, and Susannah—I have no child called Frederick—Mrs. Ellis is a lodger—I never authorised any one to put this cross to this proposal to insure the life of Frederick Daniel, four years of age; I can write, I did not make this cross in the presence of George Sunshine—I never authorised the prisoner to put a cross to any paper, I never paid him any money, I never saw him.

MILDRED DANIEL . I am the wife of the last witness, and live with him—no other Mrs. Daniel lived there at this date—I did not authorise anybody to put this cross for me or as the cross of Jane Daniel—the prisoner called and gave me these papers (produced)—I had never seen him before—I know nothing of Frederick Daniel, four years old—I told the prisoner that I should not join the society—I did not give him any money.

RICHARD STEPHENS (Police Sergeant M). I took the prisoner on a warrant.

WILLIAM WOODWARD (Re-examined). The prisoner commenced getting orders from September, and procured up to the time of his finishing his agency about 150 policies, about 10 of which are in existence—each shilling he brought in for first policies would represent his right to 10s.—I know no other person in his agency—when he was appointed, this form was filled up, in which he says that he had been agent for the Prudential.

By the Prisoner. When you brought proposals you paid the first week's premium before getting a penny from me, and then I paid you 10 times the amount—this 2l. was 10 times the 4s. which you brought—you paid me money which you ought not to have paid in order to get your commission—you paid 1s. to get 10s.—I am not aware that we had 20l. security with you.

By MR. BESLEY. He brought me in one week 14 proposals, nine of which I have proved to be false, and in order to cover his fraud he went on for two or three weeks paying me as if the people had made their weekly payments.

Prisoner's Defence, Agents have to pay canvassers to bring business to them, and if it turns out wrong the agent is answerable. I have a wife and family.

GUILTY .— Two Months' Hard Labour,

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538. JOHN STEWARD (24) , Stealing a scarf pin of Richard Payne from his person.

MR. DRUMMOND Prosecuted; MR. FRITH Defended.

RICHARD PAYNE . I am a beerhouse keeper, of 23, Paradise Street, Lambeth Walk—on 29th March, 1881, between 8 and 9 p.m., I was walking in Brandon Street, and saw the prisoner standing outside the Duke of Northumberland; he said "Good evening, Mr. Payne; "I said "Good evening;" I had known him a number of years—he said "Are you still living in Paradise Street?" I said "Yes" he said "So do I; I have moved down there now; are you going home?" I said "l am making my way towards home "—we went on together, and when we came to Lock Square, which is rather a dark place, I missed my dog, turned to look for him, and the prisoner snatched my pin from my

scarf and ran away; I ran after him, calling "Stop thief," but lie got away—I saw him yesterday fortnight in custody—my pin was worth 2l. 18s.; it had a diamond in the centre.

Cross-examined. I have known him almost from a boy; I have lived in the neighbourhood 20 years—I called him Charles, but his name is John—the family are so much alike that though I know them all I don't know their Christian names; I mean that there is a family likeness among them—I have not seen him and drunk with him since or I should have given him in custody—I never visited him at his house—I had not been to public-houses with him before this; his family keep a coffee-house in the neighbourhood—I do not know where they live now, as I have been out of the neighbourhood five years—I went to Carter Street Station and complained of the robbery to Detective Knowles two minutes afterwards—I did not apply for a warrant—I did not when I saw him at the station pick out another man; it is true that I picked him out after looking at him for two or three minutes—I saw a man whom I thought I knew, and I said "Don't you think I am going to pick you out; you are not the man"—I was as sober as I am now when my pin was lost—I did not apply for a warrant from that time to this because I was sure I should have him some time or other—it is impossible to describe the face of the person, though I had known him for 20 years—he had a light moustache in 1881—I have made no mistake.

Re-examined, I am certain that the prisoner is the man who stole my pin—there is no foundation for saying that I picked out somebody else at the station.

JOHN MULVANEY (Police Inspector Y). On 21 at April I was at the police-station; the prisoner was placed among a number of other men, and Payne picked him out after some little hesitation—I charged him with stealing the pin, and he said "I know nothing about the pin. "

Cross-examined. Two or three minutes elapsed before he picked him out—he did not walk up and down, he stood—he had 10 to select from.

By the COURT. He stood some time—he was going to speak to one. of the men and I stopped him—three minutes is a long time; it struck me as a long time—I nave hardly been in this box three minutes—I asked him how it was he stood so long, and he said he had not seen him for sometime


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539. JOHN STEWARD was again indicted with MARGARET SALES (22) for robbery with violence on Percy Edward Thurse, and stealing a watch, his property.

MR. DRUMMOND, for the prosecution, offered no evidence against SALES.—NOT GUILTY . At the request of MR. FRITH, for STEWARD, the Jury was discharged from giving a verdict, and the ease against him was postponed to the next Session.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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540. JOHN MANNING (29), SAMUEL BIGGS (40), and JAMES RUTLAND (36) , Unlawfully uttering a counterfeit florin. MANNING PLEADED GUILTY .

MESSRS. POLAND and GOODRICH Prosecuted. GEORGE AUGUSTUS MARTIN. I keep the Shaver's Arms, Bermondsey

Street—on 18th April, about 9.30, I served Manning with half a pint of beer and a twopenny smoke—he gave me a florin—I gave it to Emery to get change—he brought me 1s. 10d. change, which I gave to Manning—Biggs looked in and said "How much longer are you going to be?"—Manning said "I am coming," and left—atterwards Mr. Page brought a bad florin—I looked at it, saw it was bad, and sent the potman for the prisoners—I afterwards went down to the police-station and found them in custody—I gave the florin to the constable.

RICHARD EMERY . I am a glass-blower, of 32, Millex Place, Russell Road, Bermondsey—Mr. Martin gave me a florin, which I gave to Mrs. Page—she gave me 1s. 6d. silver, and 4d. in copper change—I took it back to Mr. Martin.

MARY ANN PAGE I am the wife of Jabez Page—Emery brought me a florin—I gave him change—I found the florin was bad, and gave it to my husband.

JABEZ PAGE . I keep an oil-shop at 160, Bermondsey Street—my wife gave me a florin—I found it was bad—from what she said I went to the Shaver's Arms and gave it to Mr. Martin.

JOHN CONNOR . I am potman at the Shaver's Arms—I saw Manning in the house on the evening of 18th April—I saw him leave the house—I left the house in pursuance of something Mr. Martin said—I saw the prisoners outside—I spoke to a constable and he followed them.

JOHN HARDING (Policeman M 175). Connor spoke to me, and I followed the prisoners—I took Rutland and Biggs into custody—they were talking together—Manning attempted to run—I with the assistance of the sergeant apprehended him—I had seen the men together before Connor spoke to me, about 100 yards from the public-house—when the sergeant took Manning he put his hand into his right-hand trousers pocket and threw away a paper—four counterfeit florins and three shillings fell out—I gave Biggs and Rutland to men who came to assist me, and I said "Look out, there goes the money"—Manning threw the paper against my leg I searched Rutland and Biggs at the station—I found on Biggs three halfpence in bronze, good money, and on Rutland four shillings, nine sixpences, a threepenny piece, fivepence bronze, and three portions of tobacco in penny packets, and a small bag—Rutland said to the inspector, "Please, sir, mark my money, so that it won't be mixed among the others "—Mr. Martin gave me the florin at the station.

ROBERT BILTON (Policeman M 8). I was on duty near the police-station, and saw Harding seize Rutland and Biggs about 100 yards from the Green Man—I seized Manning—he put his hand in his right-hand trousers-pocket and threw away a paper—Harding said, "There goes the money "—I heard a chink—I saw Harding pick it up: he brought it to the station—Manning said "What is this for?"—I said "For uttering "—he said "I know nothing about it "—when, searched he said "They asked me to have a drink, and I did; I know nothing about it"—I found on Manning two shillings, 6d., and 4 1/2 d.—when he was charged he said it was a "D——d. lie "—I was 80 yards off when I saw the three together; two were waiting up a street for Manning, about 100 yards from the public-house.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This florin is bad; the date is 1872; the four florins thrown away are bad—there are three shillings—two florins are of 1872, the others are 1877.

BIGGS— NOT GUILTY . RUTLAND— GUILTY.— Six Months' Hard Labour MANNING— Nine Months; Hard Labour.

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541. THOMAS WARREN (22) PLEADED GUILTY to breaking and entering the Church of St. Matthew, Denmark Hill, and stealing 4d.— Two Years' Hard Labour.

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542. WILLIAM WHITE** (34) to stealing 2l. 15s. of William Goodacre, having been convicted of felony in October, 1876, at Clerkenwell, in the name of William Cole — Eighteen Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

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543. GEORGE GREEN (27) , Stealing a mare, a van, a set of harness, and 11 cases of preserved meat, belonging to George Poulton and another. Second Count, receiving.

MR. CRAHSTOUN Prosecuted; MR. GEOGHEGAN Defended. THOMAS POULTON. I am a wholesale provision merchant, of 62, Buckingham Palace Road—the pots of meat produced are some of those put in my van on the 21st February—the wholesale value is 10s. a dozen.

Cross-examined by MR. GEOGHEGAN. The date when they were put up is inside on a paper, 17.2; that is, 17th February—I employ about 28 workmen—these goods were sent away in cases, and we do not send them in cases in London—they were dispatched to the wharf, to go to the country—I could not say none were sold by country firms.

Re-examined. The box is one of ours—8 or 10 were put in the van to go to the wharf.

JOHN KANNGEISSER . I drove Mr. Poulton's van on 21st February—some cases like the one produced were in it; the addresses were on the lids of the boxes—there was an address on the lid which fitted the top of the box—when I went into the wharf the packages were all safe—when I came out the horse and cart had disappeared—the interval between was five or six minutes—the box produced is just the same as those I had in the van.

Cross-examined. I think I have carried 50 boxes like this with Poulton's name on—we have one other carman—there is no mark on the box I can swear to.

GEORGE SMITH . I live at 6, Midhurst Road, Grove Road, Bow—I have been many years a traveller in the grocery trade; I am now a broker's man—I met Green on a Thursday, about the middle of March—he asked me if I could dispose of some brawn that he had by him, and which the incoming tenant of his shop would not take to—I told him I would ascertain, and he asked me to meet him the next morning at Canrobert Street, Bethnal Green, at 10 o'clock—I met him by the Wheatsheaf; he asked me to wait a few moments, and he would bring me a sample—he brought me a sample—he asked me what way I was going; I said I was going to Finsbury to my employer—J asked him the price of the goods; he said he wanted 7d.; I said I would do my best, and I offered them to Mr. Faiers at 7d. and eventually sold them to him at 5d. each; I sold one gross four dozen—Green went with me in his cart; he got out just before I delivered the goods—I met him again a few yards off, and gave him the money.

Cross-examined. Everything was done by Green in an open manner.

Re-examined. The box was not completely covered, but in a very rough state; there was no address on it.

WILLIAM FAKES . I am a grocer—Smith brought me a sample pot of meat on 21st March—I purchased 12 dozen and some odd at 5d. each; 16 dozen were offered to me, but I did not buy the damaged ones.

KICHARD KIMBER (Police Sergeant M). I apprehended Green from information I received at the Lady Franklin public-house, Old Ford, on the 17th April—I was watching his house, and I saw him leave and enter the Lady Franklin public-house; I was in company with Detective Hay—I said "Green, I am going to arrest you for being concerned with a man named Smith, who is now on remand at Southwark Police-court, charged with stealing a horse and cart and 10 or 11 cases of preserved meat from Tooley Street on 21st February this year "—he said "I know nothing about it, Kimber "—I said "That man I speak of has made a statement that you gave him the meats, and he sold them for you and received 5s. "—he said "I know nothing about the man, nor yet the transaction; what sort of man is this?"—I said "He is a tall man, about 50 years of age, dark, going grey; he wears a long coat and high hat"—he said "I know nothing about it whatever, and nothing about the man you are talking about"—I took him to Bow Street station; he was detained till 10 o'clock, when I took him to the station at Bermondsey, and arrived there about 11 o'clock; I made a note at the time—the prisoner said "A man of the name of Brown, a marine-store dealer I don't know, met me at the Wellington public-house, North Street or Brady Street, Whitechapel, at 11 o'clock in the morning; he brought in a cart six cases and three large tins, which he did not know the contents of, and asked me to buy them; he met the man at 6.30 or 6.40 in the evening at the Baxendale public-house; Smith went away with the marine-store dealer, and he paid for the horse and cart"—the charge was entered and read over to him; in answer he said "I cannot help it"—I have made inquiries, and can find no man of the description the prisoner has given.

Cross-examined. I have no doubt my statement was read over at the police court—I read my note in your presence at the police court.

GEORGE SMITH (Re-examined). I did not meet a Mr. Brown with the prisoner at a public-house.

JOHN HAY (Detective M). I was with Kimber when the prisoner was apprehended—he said when going along with Kimber "What sort of a man is this that has made this statement against me?"—Kimber said "He is a tall dark man"—he said "I know nothing at all about it; I suppose my word is as good as his; he will have to prove it. "

EDWARD CROSS . I keep the Duke of Wellington public-house at Brady Street, Bethnal Green—I do not know the prisoner—I never saw him with another man as to some cases.

Cross-examined. The prisoner put a question through you at the police-court about catsup—I could not swear who was in my house.

GUILTY of receiving . He also PLEADED GUILTY**† to a conviction of felony at this Court in May, 1878, in the name of James Smith, otherwise Claridge .— Five Years' Penal Servitude.

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544. GEORGE HEASMAN (20) WILLIAM HEASMAN , RICHARD HENRY PHILLIPS (29), and MARY ANN PHILLIPS (29) , Stealing in the dwelling-house of Edward Scroggs Hutchinson, a plated cup, pair of boots, and other articles, and 1l. 5s., and afterwards burglariously breaking out of the same.


MR. RAVEN Prosecuted; MR. KEITH FRITH defended William Heasman;

MR. PURCELL defended Richard Henry and Mary Ann Phillips.

EDWARD SCROGOS HUTCHINSON . I keep the Queen Ann beer-house, Vauxhall Walk, Lambeth—I live on the premises—on Wednesday, 15th March, I went to bed at 1.15 a.m.—I had fastened and examined all the doors—I came down about 5. 20 to go to the back—I found a door unbolted—I bolted it and went up again—I came down again about 8.30—outside I found marks of toes against the brick wall, which is about 7 ft. high—when I went in the bar I saw black finger-marks on one of the beer pulls, and I missed the change that had been left there overnight, about 5s. in silver and bronze, also a silver cup, a box of cigars, and various little things I cannot enumerate—from a desk inside the bar parlour I missed a sovereign and a 2s. piece that were wrapped up in paper the previous night, also 6s. worth of stamps and some old coins, a check coat and trousers of the same pattern as those I had got on, 10 yards of shirting, two pairs of ladies' boots, one button and one spring sides, a Maltese cross, a brooch made of pearl beads, a pair of golden earrings with plain stones, a small circular silver brooch, and some papers and receipts—all the things were taken from the bar parlour or the bar downstairs—the articles produced are mine, except this shawl—this nickel silver cup was on a shelf at the back of the bar under a glass case—the case was left—I gave information to the police as soon as I could—I have seen the male prisoners hanging about—they have been casual customers three weeks before the robbery—I saw no marks to show how they got in the house.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. The value of the cup is 1l. 2s.—my name is not on it, but there is a scratch I made with my thumb nail when I bought it—I saw it safe about a quarter past 1 on the 15th of March.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. My bar is divided into three compartments—I saw George Heasman the night previous to the robbery.

FREDERICK GREV (Policeman L 176). I received information, in consequence of which I made inquiries at Islington—on the 20th of March I went with McIntyre to 3, Halton Road—I saw the female prisoner in the front first-floor bed-room—I said, "We are policemen; we have come to search your place for stolen property"—she said, "I have no stolen property here "—I saw these boots produced, lying on the sofa—I said, "whose boots are these?"—she said, "Mine; I bought them of my brother George "—I saw this coat hanging on a peg on the door—I said, "Whose coat is that?"—she said, "Mine"—I said, "Where did you get it?"—she said, "From my brother George"—1 said, "Have you any earrings?"—she said, "Yes"—we then searched the place, and found a pair of earrings on a little box on the table, 12 pawn tickets, one ticket relating to some shirting, and one to a pair of boots pawned in the name of Ann Phillips, of 1, Charles Street, Islington, also this cigar—I said, "These goods are the proceeds of a burglary "—she said, "I bought them off my brother George; he told me he bought them at a sale"—it was 5.30—we waited till 6.30, when the husband came home—when he came to the door I said, "Is your name Phillips?"—he said, "Yes"—I said, "You are wanted upstairs;" we went upstairs—I said, "I want

you to give an account of your having in your possession stolen property"—he said,. "I know nothing about it; I did not know the things were in the place "—they were taken to Kennington Lane station in a cab—the male Phillips said, "I told you what this would come to"—on the 21st I went to John Street, East Street, Lambeth—I found Williamson in the back ante-room—I said, "I have come to search your room, for I suspect you have stolen property respecting the burglary at the Queen Ann beershop, Vauxhall"—he said, "'I have no stolen property here "—I and the other officer said, ". We are going to look into your boxes"—we looked in one and found nothing—we told him to open another one—he said, "1 have lost the key "—it was a clothes-box about 3 ft. long—I said, "If you do not open it we shall break it open"—he said, "It is no use us saying anything; there is a silver goblet in that one"—I had not said anything about a silver goblet—at that time George Heasman ran downstairs and I saw him go to the closet—I ran after him—the door was shut; I told him to open it; if he did not I should break it open—after some time he opened it, and I said, "I shall take you into custody for burglariously breaking out of the Queen Ann beershop, Vauxhall, and stealing a coat, two pairs of boots, some shirting, a pair of earrings, some cigars, and some money"—he said, "If I did you cannot prove it; you never see me get in "—I was in the room when the box was opened—the goblet produced was in the box—William Heasman said he lent his brother some money on it—he had nothing to do with stealing it—at Phillips's we found the stove produced, and I asked the female prisoner, " Where did you get the stove from?"—she said, "I got it from my brother George; he told me he bought it at a sale "—I took possession of the stove—I found a ticket of this shawl.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. I was in plain clothes—I did not know Williams—he was let out on a bail of 10l.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. I know of no felony against Phillips or his wife.

PATRICK MCINTYRE (Policeman L 224). I went with Grey to Phillips's room—I saw a coat, a pair of boots, earrings, and the stove produced—I found the pawn ticket for the shawl on the dressing-case in the female prisoner's room—it relates to a shawl pawned at Mr. Pocock's, 185, Essex Road, Islington, in the name of Philips, of 9, Revere Street—I went and got the shawl—I then went to see the female prisoner while Grey was searching the room—I said "Who do you mean by George?"—she replied "I mean George Heasman, my brother"—I said "You have pawned these articles at Goosh's in the Essex Road?"—she said "Yes, I have; my brother George brought them to me, as he had done on several occasions before "—the husband then came in, and in answer to Grey he said "I know nothing about anything that is here," and turning to his wife he said "I told you what it would come to "—we then conveyed them to Kennington Lane Police-station—on the way there and inside the cab the husband said, speaking in a low tone, "What did you say?"—she replied I said my brother George brought them to me and I pawned them "—in answer to the charge at the station, Richard Phillips said "I know nothing about it"—the female said "My brother George brought them "—the following morning, about 6.30, I went with Grey to 20, John Street, East Street, Lambeth—on going upstairs I saw William Heasman in the back ante room—Grey told him we had come to search

the room for stolen property—William said "I have no stolen property here".—we went into the back room—he said "You can search my boxes"—we did so—in the first box we could not find anything—I asked him to open another box; he said he hadn't got the key—I told him I should force the box open—he said "It's no use my telling any lie about it; I have got the goblet inside"—I had said "You have got a silver goblet," and in reply he had said "I have nothing of the sort"—she said her brother George was in the habit of buying at sales—I forced the box open and found the silver goblet—I have looked through the pawn tickets—there are three or four addresses; they are the same name, except a watch pawned in the name of Wright.

Cross-examined by MR. FRITH. William is an entire stranger—he seemed nervous and was not fully dressed—he appeared as if he had only just got out of bed; he had only his trousers and shirt on—I know George has not been living with his father for a considerable time—he has been stopping at lodging-houses.

GEORGE MANNING . I am assistant to Mr. Goosh, of 8, Essex Road, Islington, pawnbroker—I produce a remnant of shirting and pair of earrings, pledged on 16th March for 3s. 6d. in the name of Ann Phillips, of 1, Charles Street.

ANN SAUNDERS . I am the wife of George Saunders, of 49, Halton Road, Canon bury—I saw Mrs. Philips on 15th March; she was working for me as a washerwoman—between 9 and 10 o'clock she brought me a cup and said "Will you buy this cup for 15s., which my brother bought at a sale?"—I saw my husband, and then I told her "No. "

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. She has worked for me for months—I found her honest—I entrusted her with my books, and she paid me my money and brought the books back.

SELINA WOOD . I am the wife of Frederick Wood, of 4, Tracey Street, Kennington Road—I keep a second-hand clothing shop—the shawl produced belongs to me—I saw it last about 11th February in my shop window.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. My husband assists me—I am sure I never sold that shawl.

HENRY SPICKWELL . I am foreman to Mr. Pocock, pawnbroker, of 135, Essex Road, Islington—I took this shawl in pledge on 18th March last from the female prisoner—the address was 7, Revere Street—this is the duplicate.

EDWARD WRIGHT . I am an ironmonger, of 21, Clapham Road—the stove produced is mine; I lost it one foggy Saturday about 10 weeks ago—it was standing outside my shop door—I had not sold it—it was about January.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. My wife and son help me—they are not here.

FRIIDERICK GREY (Recalled). While searching at Halton Road on another charge I found this stove—I asked the female where she got it from—she said she bought it from her brother George for 4s., and that he bought it at the market.

William Heasman and Henry Phillips received good characters.


MARY ANN PHILLIPS— GUILTY. She was recommended to mercy on the ground of undue influence . — To enter into recognisances of 201. to come up for judgment when called upon.

GEORGE HEASMAN PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony in July, 1878, at Clerkenwell.—Fifteen Months' Hard Labour.

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545. GEORGE WEBBER (28) , Robbery on Walter John Edwin Hopekirk, and stealing his watch and chain.


WALTER JOHN EDWIN HOPEKIRK . I am a hairdresser, of 238, Westminster Bridge Road—about 7.30 p.m. on 29th March I was in Griffin Street, near the Lower Marsh, Lambeth, making my way to my place of business—I was suddenly tripped up by my right foot, and then struck a blow with great violence which sent me rolling; I fell, and my right shoe came off—I was hit with the shoe all about the face—I could see my assailant, his face was all blackened—I was hit with the heel of his shoe—the stature was the same as that of the prisoner—he laid hold of my throat—I was pummelled till I was insensible—my double-breasted coat was pulled open, and I felt my watch and chain going—I was smothered in blood from head to foot, and my suit was spoiled by blood and mud—I went to Dr. Wicks the next morning—I got home about a quarter to 8 o'clock—he attended me for three weeks—I feel rather shaky when I lie in bed, and can hardly turn at times—my flesh healed readily—this is the watch—it has my name in full inside.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I cannot recollect what I said at the station, I was stunned.

JOHN OWEN . I am a coster, and live at 3, Granby Gardens—I was in Griffin Street on 29th March about 7.30 p.m.—I saw the prisoner put his foot in front of Mr. Hope Kirk, and he struck him with a boot, which fell off—he tore his coat open, and ran away with his watch—the prosecutor was standing when his coat was torn open—he was knocked down after he was struck with the shoe—he was stunned, and lay on the ground awhile—I was at the corner, about the length of this Court away—I am 13 years of age—I gave information to the police—the prisoner's face was black—it looked as if it was blacked for the purpose—the prosecutor was struck when he was on the ground—he was lying down when the prisoner ran away.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I was behind you—you ran by the arches into the York Road—you 'passed the crockery shop—I did not lose sight of you—I was 5 yards off when you took a turning.

CHAELES EDWARD KERSLAKE . I am a silver spoon and fork filer—I live at 22, Pear Tree Street, Waterloo—I was coming down Griffin Street on 29th March when I heard a cry of "Stop thief"—I ran through the next arch and looked down the street; I saw a man running, I ran after him—he went round the first turning on the right-hand side leading into the Cut—he was walking lame when he turned the corner—I followed him while the other boy went and fetched a policeman—he went on the left-hand turning into the New Cut, and into the Cornwall Road—he passed the crockery shop—I am positive the prisoner is the man—his face was black.

ROBEET WILLIAM ALLISON (Policeman L 10). I was on duty near the New Cut—Owen pointed a man out to me about 12 yards off—he was walking—when he saw me he commenced running—as he passed I saw him throw the watch and chain in the crockery shop—as soon as I saw

he was in safe custody I went into the shop and got the watch—I saw the constable take him—the constable said "I shall take you for taking the man's watch "—he said "Iam very sorry for it, I have just left on work"—his face was blackened—the prosecutor, when I took him to the station, was covered with mud from his chin to his feet—I saw a mark on his hand.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I picked the watch up in the shop—they were unpacking crockery, and it was on some straw.

JAMES WALSH (Policeman L 209). I saw the prisoner running on this night of 29th March—I followed him and caught him.

Gross-examined by the Prisoner. You were about a dozen yards from the shop when the watch was found.

GUILTY .** He also PLEADED GUILTY to a conviction of felony in July, 1878, at St. Mary, Newington, in the name of George Dwyer .— Five Years' Penal Servitude , and to receive Twenty Strokes with the Cat,

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546. WILLIAM SMOOTHLY (20) and JOHN KING (22) , Unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.


EMILY MONKS . I am barmaid at the King of Prussia public-house, Fair Street, Horselydown—on 31st March, about 11 o'clock, I served the prisoners with twopennyworth of rum and half of stout and mild—they paid with good money, and I gave them change—they called for the same again—Smoothly gave me half-a-crown—I tried it in the tester and found it was bad—I gave it him back, saying "This is a bad one, I cannot take this "—he said "I am very 8007," and produced a good one, and said "Is that bad?"—I. said "Certainly not, it is good"—I returned it to him, and he produced sixpence, and I gave him 2 1/2 d. change—after apologising the prisoners left the house together—King said he was very sorry, and could not tell where they could have got it from.

Cross-examined by Smoothly. I did nut break the coin, nor put any liquid on it, nor bend it—I did not Bee you put the two edges together and say to King "Can you see any difference?" or King say "I can, the edge of one is blacker than the other. "

WILLIAM CHARLES BESLE . I am landlord of the King of Prussia—on the night of 31st March my wife made a communication to me in the bar-parlour, in consequence of which I saw the prisoners leaving the house—I followed them—a third person joined them outside—I was 10 or 15 yards off—I heard some money clinking—I spoke to a police sergeant—the prisoners went into the Green Man, about a quarter of an hour from my house—the third man stopped outside—I followed the prisoners in—Mrs. Shapcott had hold of King's arm—they were taken into custody.

ALICE SHAPCOTT . I am barmaid at the Green Man, in Tooley Street—on 31st March, between 11 and 12 o'clock, the prisoners came in—Smoothly called for half of mild and bitter and half of stout and mild for himself and his friend, and a twopenny smoke—he tendered half-a crown—I saw it was bad—I gave it to my aunt, and she came out o£ the bar-parlour and gave the prisoners in charge of a constable who was in the house—they were sober.

Cross-examined by Smoothly. I did not test the half-crown—I was absent with my aunt about a minute—you did not say to me "Yes, we

were told it was a bad one down at the other public-house "—my aunt sent the potman out for the policeman—you did not go from the bar when I went to my aunt.

ELLEN SHAPCOTT . My husband keeps the Green Man, in Tooley Street—my niece brought half-a-crown to me in the parlour—I saw it was bad—I went into the bar—I saw the prisoners standing in front of the bar—I said to them "Where have you got this money from, how many more have you?"—Smoothly said "Where do you suppose I got it from?"—I said "That is the question I am asking, I want to know "—they made no answer—I said "It is bad, and I shall detain you until I send for a policeman "—both said "What do you mean"—I sent for a policeman—I held King by his coat—Mr. Basle came in from another bar—when the sergeant came I said "I shall charge these men with trying to pass bad money "—the prisoners were taken away in custody—King said "I have only just met this man and asked him to come and have a drink with me, I do not know him "—at the station he said "We have "been out drinking all day"—I gave the coin to Hazel—I did not know the prisoners.

JACOB HAZEL (Policeman 11). Mr. Basle called my attention to the prisoners in Tooley Street—they were walking towards London Bridge—a third man was with them, who was taller than either—they went into the Green Man—the third man waited outside—I went into the house—I found Mrs. Shapcott holding King by the coat—she said "I shall charge these two men with uttering this bad half-crown"—she gave me the half-crown produced—I said to Smoothly "Have you any more?" he said "No "—I searched him in the bar, and found a knife—King said "I have just met him, I don't know him at all"—I took King, and Police-constable Marks took Smoothly to the station—they were searched—King had 5 1/2 d. in bronze—when brought before the Magistrate King produced a good half-crown—he said he found it in his pocket—it was not there when I searched him—before he produced it he had been seen by a woman in the waiting-room.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This is a bad half-crown.

King's Statement before the Magistrate. "I never was in a police-court before. I had been drinking all day I do not know where I got the half-crown."


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547. ISABELLA BRENT (17) and CLARA TURNER (15) PLEADED GUILTY to unlawfully conspiring to defraud Robert Hoskins of his goods and obtaining 2l. from him.

BRENT— One Month's Hard Labour.

TURNER— Two Months' Hard Labour.

Before Robert Malcolm Kerr, Esq.

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548. GEORGE DODSON (20) and PATRICK FEENEY (18) , Stealing a purse and 11l. 5s., of Lucy Davidson from her person.

MR. TICKELL Prosecuted.

LUCY DAVIDSON . I live at Tudor House, West Hill Road, Wandsworth—about 4.30 on the 11th April I was walking down the West Hill Road; I had a 10l. note, a sovereign, and 5s., in my purse, which I was holding in my hand—two men came past me and caught my wrist and took the put so out of my hand and ran across a field—I do not recognise the prisoners—a coachman ran alter them—this is the purse (produced)—Testify garb it me after lie was caught,

Cross-examined by Feeney I cannot swear you stole it.

ALFRED SUTTON . I live at Spencer Road, Wandsworth, and am a gardener—I was in the West Hill Road on the 11th. April—I heard somebody cry "Stop thief," and I saw the prisoners running—I ran alter them and caught Dodson—I told Feeney to stop, and he said he had done nothing, and he ran through into a field—I afterwards saw the lady.

GEORGE PARKER . I live at View Field, Wandsworth—I saw Sutton holding Dodson in the road and Feeney running away in a field; I followed and caught him and handed him over to the policeman—I saw him hand the purse over to Miss Davidson.

JAMES MEREDITH (Policeman 431). I took the prisoners into custody.

Dodson's Defence. I was walking up the Wandsworth Road and heard a cry of "Stop thief. "I looked to see what it was and made a run, and a man stopped me in the road. I told him I was innocent. He said "If so come with me to the lady, and she shall see who it was who took the purse. "

Feeney's Defence. I was going down the road with my friend and saw the purse in the road. I picked it up, and when I saw the lady I returned it to her. They asked me where I got it from, and I told them I picked it up.

GUILTY . The Prisoners PLEADED GUILTY to having been convicted on 5th April, 1881, at Newington, Dodson in the name of William Smith, and Feeney in the name of Charles Donovan.— Two Year's Hard Labour.

Reference Number: t18820501-549

549. JOHN MORAN (22), ANNIE RYAN (20), ANNIE DINEEN (19), ELIZABETH GRIFFIN (18), and MARGARET DALEY (18) , Robbery with violence on Edward Phillips, and stealing 1 lbs. MR. SANDERS Prosecuted;

MR. PUROKLL defended Moran.

EDWARD PHILLIPS . I live at John Street, Rochester—I am a bargeman—at about 11 p.m. on 24th March I was in the Swan public-house, Nine Elms, where I saw Ryan and Dineen—I left there with them and went to the Wedge public-house—when we left they took me down a back street, and four women and a man dung round me and got my hands behind me, and Ryan and Dineen out their hands in my trousers pockets—I called "Police," and they all ran away—I cannot swear to the man—it was dark.

Cross-examined by Ryan. I don't recollect going to the Waterman's Arms and having some beer and bread and cheese—I spent 1s. 6d.—I had 30s. when I went to the Swan.

DANIEL SULLIVAN (Policeman JP 377). I was outside the swan when I saw Ryan and Dineen standing outside—Dineen said to Ryan "There is a bargeman inside flashing some coin, we will wait on him"—I spoke to another constable, and we watched the house—when it was closed the prosecutor came out, and Ryan and Dineen caught hold of him, one on each side, and went to another public-house, the Steam Packet, where they stopped about another 20 minutes—they came out and went to the Waterman's Arms beershop—I saw Moran in the public bar—he left it and went into the private bar where they were—he then went back to the public bar—at 12 o'clock the house closed, and I was called away on more important duty—I came back about 1 o'clock to Currey Street about 200 yards from the Waterman's Arms, when I saw the five prisoners and the prosecutor—they had surrounded him and were pressing him against

the wall—he was shouting "Police," and the other constable and I ran up, and the prisoners ran away—I followed and took Griffin—I did not lose sight of her—I charged her with being concerned with others, not in custody, in robbing "the prosecutor—she said "It's not me; it was the girls Dineen and Ryan "—I took Dineen on 25th March—she said "Going out wearing a hat is enough to give me 18 months "—the prosecutor had been under the influence of drink—he walked to the station all right—there was nothing found on Dineen or Griffin—I was about 23 yards from the prosecutor and the prisoners when I first saw them—I saw them distinctly.

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. "When I first saw Moran he came out of the door of the Waterman's Arms—I was eight or nine yards off, across the road—he came out of one door and went into the other—that was shortly before 12 o'clock—I went away for about an hour—when I came back I saw the prisoners surrounding the prosecutor; they had their backs to me—there is a lamp there which threw a light on them—I knew Moran by name before—I did not mention his name at the police-court. Re-examined. I have no doubt as to the prisoners.

CORNELIUS MOYNEHAM (Policeman W 275). I took Ryan into custody on 25th March, and charged her—she said she had been drinking with the prosecutor, but had not had any of his money—there was a sixpence on her.

PATRICK GILMARTY (Policeman W 400). I was with Sullivan in Currey Street, and watched the house with him—when it closed the prosecutor and Ryan and Dineen came out and went to the Waterman's Arms—they went into the private bar—Moran came out of the public bar and went into the private bar—he came out in a couple of minutes and went back to the public bar—Dineen came out and Moran came out afterwards—I left the place and came back and saw all the prisoners and the prosecutor—the prisoners had the prosecutor jammed up against the wall, and some had their hands in his pockets—I was 40 or 50 yards off—the prisoners ran away—I caught Daly—she said "I have not got the money; Ryan and Dineen have got the money if you take them "—I had known Moran long previously—I took him into custody at 10.30 p.m. on Sunday, the 26th March—after the remand I told him I should take him into custody for stealing 25s. from the prosecutor—he said said "All right; I know all about it. I will go with you quietly if you don't knock me about. "

Cross-examined by MR. PURCELL. This was in a beerhouse at Nine Elms, about 300 yards from the Waterman's Arms—Sullivan and I had a perfect view of him when he came out of the Waterman's Arms—I was on the opposite side when I saw them surrounding the prosecutor—I was about 30 or 40 yards off—it is a kind of cross road—the public-houses were all closed then—I heard cries of "Police!"

By the COURT. I did not catch Moran, because he ran away directly he caught sight of us, and ran into his house.

The Prisoners' Statements before the Magistrate. Ryan says: "I didn't have any of his money. I was only drinking with him, and have done so before. He spent 4s. 2d. in drink with us." Dineen says: "I am innocent of his money or anything of his. I never saw him before and was never in his presence before." Origin says: "I have nothing to say. If the prosecutor can recognise me as having seen me before, let

him do so. "Daley says: "Griffin and I, at about half-past 12 o'clock, met a young man, who told me my brother was locked up. I heard something, and ran up, and saw the prosecutor and Ryan and Dineen, but what they were doing I don't know. The policeman came up, and took me. I can get a character for six years. Moron says: " I have witnesses to prove that I was in bed at the time, and Sullivan, whenever meet him, tells me he must have me. As late as two months ago he said he would give me six months."


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550. MARIA GREEN (26) , Feloniously wounding Daniel Hardy, with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

MR. SANDERS Prosecuted.

EDWARD HUGHES . I am a potman at the Wellington Arms, Waterloo Road—I was in the bar at 9.30 p.m. on Saturday, 8th April, when there were the prosecutor and another man there drinking—the prisoner came in and struck the prosecutor with something, saying "Now you have got it "—she went away, and I saw no more of her—I saw the prosecutor bleeding from the eye; he went away—the prisoner had been in our house before; she was sober—I do not know whether she had one arm in a sling.

RICHARD WILKINSON . I am a painter, of Wootton Street, Cornwall Road—I was in the Wellington Arms on this occasion, when the prosecutor, who is my step-brother, was there—the prisoner rushed into the bar, and struck him in the eye with something which I could not see—she rushed away, and I called a cab, and took him to St. Thomas's Hospital.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner You had not been at St. Thomas's Hospital through the prosecutor breaking your arm—you had not your arm in a sling.

ROBERT H. LLOYD , M. R. C. S. I am Medical Superintendent of Lambeth Infirmary—on 8th April the prosecutor was brought in, suffering from a punctured wound beneath the right eye—I think the globe of the eye was injured on account of the great inflammation that ensued—he was under my care for a fortnight—I cannot understand how a fist could have inflicted the injury.



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