Old Bailey Proceedings, 6th April 1857.
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A star (*) denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—two star (**) that they have been more than once in custody—an obelisk (†) that they are known to be the associates of bad characters.


OLD COURT.—Monday, April 6th, 1857.

PRESENT—The Right Hon. the LORD MAYOR; Sir CHAPMAN MARSHALL., Knt., Ald.; Sir JAMES DUKE., Bart., Ald.; Mr. RECORDER.; Mr. Ald. Ms CARDEN.; and Mr. Ald. ROSE.

Before Mr. Recorder and the First Jury.

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441. WILLIAM SMITH was indicted for wilful and corrupt perjury, on the trial of Henry Holding (See page 459).

MESSRS. PAYNE. and BODKIN. conducted the Prosecution, and MR. SLEIGH. the Defence.

GUILTY . Aged 15.— Confined One Fortnight in Newgate, and Three Tears in a Reformatory Institution.

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442. HENRY TURNER , stealing, on 13th Nov., 1851, 2 tame fowls, the property of Joseph Allen.

BENJAMIN HEARNE . In Nov., 1851, I was in the service of Mr. Joseph Allen, who kept the Chequers, at Uxbridge. I counted the fowls on Saturday evening, 29th Nov.; it is so long ago, I do not remember anything about it; all I can say is, that the fowls I saw at the police court were Mr. Allen's fowls.

RICHARD ROADKNIGHT . (Police sergeant, T 11). On Sunday morning, 30th Nov., 1851, I saw the prisoner and a man named Wye come out of a lodging house, and go up the Chequers yard—they had nothing with them then, they came out with a basket—they saw me and another constable, and went back into the lodging house—I followed them in, and into a back room—the prisoner took something out of the basket, and put it between the bed clothes; it was two fowls—I then took them into custody—on the road to the station the prisoner slipped the handcuffs, and got away; Wye was tried, and had twelve months—I am quite sure the prisoner is the person—I had known him previously—I have not seen him since, until a fortnight ago, I met him. and told him he must come before the Magistrate, and

he surrendered himself—I have here the legs of the two fowls, and hare kept them ever since—I showed the fowls to Hearne, and he identified them.

ANN NEWMAN . The prisoner and Wye lodged at my house for two nights before they were taken—Wye asked me to lend him a basket to fetch some potatoes for his dinner on the Sunday—I lent it him—I did not see what he did with it, till I saw Roadknight follow them into my place—I went into the room with Roadknight—I then saw the basket lying in the room, and two fowls under the bed.

DANIEL SUDBURY . (Policeman, T 212). I was with Roadknight, and saw the prisoners—when they went into the lodging, I looked through the window, and saw them go into the back room—Roadknight called me in, and I saw him take the fowls from the bed—when I saw the prisoners, Wye was carrying the basket; they both ran into the back room together with the basket.

BENJAMIN HEARNE . re-examined. I saw the two fowls before the Magistrate; they were my master's—I cannot say when they were safe, I had seen them within two days.

RICHARD ROADKNIGHT . re-examined. The fowls were found not forty yards from where they were stolen—they were not plucked—the prisoner has been in the Twentieth Regiment, and left with a good character.

GUILTY . Aged 25.— Confined One Day .

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443. ALFRED PICKFORD , stealing 2 1/2 yards of cloth, value 11s. 8d.; the goods of Thomas Brett and another: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 31.— Confined Four Months.

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444. DAVID GRAFTON , feloniously breaking and entering the ware-house of James Russell, and stealing therein 152 lbs. weight of waste paper, value 20l.; his property: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 24.— Confined Twelve Months.

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445. MARGARET COCKRON , stealing 5l.; the moneys of John Shortridge, her master.

MR. LILLEY. conducted the Prosecution.

ELIZABETH FLETCHER . I am the wife of William Fletcher, a cheesemonger, of No. 96, Fore Street, Cripplegate. On the 9th or 10th Feb. the prisoner came to my shop, and purchased some bacon—she tendered a 5l. note in payment—this (produced) is the note—there is "Cockron, No. 17, Mark Lane," on it, in my handwriting—I placed it there on account of the prisoner telling me that it was her name and address—I changed the note for her—the bacon came to 4s. 6d., and I gave her the difference—I asked her if the note was her own; she said that her husband and her were taking care of some offices at No. 17, Mark Lane, and they received it from their employers, either as part of her wages or salary; I am not sure which—on the morning of the 3rd March I went, in company with some officers, to the prisoner's house—when I saw her I said, "You are the person that bought some bacon on the 9th or 10th Feb., and I changed a 5l. note for you"—she said, "I am"—the officer then said to her, in my presence, "You must consider yourself in our custody, on the charge of" either "taking" or "stealing the 5l. note from the iron safe"—she said she had picked it up in the passage.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. Had you ever known her before? A. Yes, for two or three years, by constantly dealing at the shop—when I

went with the officer, she said that she had not taken it from the iron safe, but had picked it up in the passage—she repeated those words.

EDWARD HARDING LORTON . I am clerk to Mr. John Shortridge, trading under the firm of Yeovil, Shortridge, and Co., a wine merchant, at No. 17, Mark Lane. The counting house is on the ground floor—there are two rooms; a front one and a back room—there is an iron safe in the front counting house—the key of the safe is kept in a desk in the same counting house—that desk is open during the day—at night it is locked, and the key is put into a sample chest—on Wednesday, 28th Jan., I received two 5l. notes from Currie and Co., the bankers—one I sent to the Custom House in payment of duty, the other I put into the cash box that was kept in the iron safe—I did not have occasion to open the cash box till the morning of the 30th—when I opened it, the 5l. note was not there—there are two clerks in the office; one besides myself—Mr. Shortridge and Mr. Chip, the other clerk, have access to the safe—the prisoner was employed to clean the counting house, after we had gone of a night—she was employed at the beginning of the year, until she was taken into custody—her husband was not in the employ of Mr. Shortridge—it was my duty to pay her for her services in keeping the offices clean—I did not at any time pay her that 5l. note—I have not paid it away to any one—I am quite sure of it—that is the note that I put into the cash box on the afternoon of the 28th—I took no memorandum of the number or date; I cannot speak to it positively, only by having obtained the number after I had missed it—I did not take any notice of any part of the notes when I received them from Messrs. Currie—I did when I paid one away to the Customs; I wrote the name of Shortridge on it—this is not the note that I paid away at the Custom House.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you any other 5l. note about that time in your possession? A. No—I am sure of that—the prisoner has been in the service about eighteen months, and the husband also, as the housekeeper, but he was not the person to clean the counting house—he lives there—I had never seen him—Mr. Shortridge's chambers are on the ground floor—persons occupy rooms on the first and second floors—the money was locked up in the safe, and the key of the safe was put into a desk; Mr. Shortridge knew where the key was; the safe was open all day long—I generally left about 5 o'clock, or half past—I leave the safe open—Mr. Chip locks it up—I do not know how late he stays—he is at liberty to be there as late as he likes—it is not finally locked up until he leaves—I think he has been there about forty or fifty years—I think he sometimes stops there till 7 or 8 o'clock, but I do not know—I have never seen him there myself later than that; I do not remember ever being there later than 6 or 7 o'clock.

MR. LILLEY. Q. How late do you stay? A. 5 or 6 o'clock—I do not remember staying later than 7 o'clock at any time; I go at 10 o'clock in the morning—during the day the office is sometimes left entirely without any one in it—it is left to go into the cellar; there is a wine cellar underneath, and we are in the habit of putting a ticket on the door, "In the cellar"—the outer door is then shut and locked—at such time no one would have the key so as to obtain admittance, only myself, Mr. Chip, or Mr. Shortridge, or the porter—I do not know how long it would be left then—when I am in the counting house, not out on business, I am always there, never hardly in the cellar—if I were in the cellar, it might be left half an hour—during that time the door would have been shut.

COURT. Q. Do you remember at all whether you had been down in the cellar between the 28th and 30th? A. I do not remember.

JOHN CHIP . I am in the employment of Mr. Shortridge, and have been so more than forty-five years. I recollect seeing Walton, the porter, give Lorton two 5l. notes; he was sent to the bankers for them on 28th Jan.—I did not use any of the contents of the cash box between the afternoon of 28th Jan. and the 30th; I abstained from doing so in consequence of great deficiencies—that reason makes me recollect it better—I was present on the 30th, when Lorton took out the cash box from the iron safe—at that time he missed the note—I do not think I opened the safe on the morning of 30th Jan., nor for several mornings before that—I usually locked up the safe at night—it was my duty to do so every evening, being there later, and attending to the business that had to be done, principally in the cellar—I have no doubt I locked it up on the 28th—the key of the desk in which the key of the safe is kept, is kept in a sample chest—the sample chest is locked; I have the key in my pocket—I do not think I opened the chest on the 30th—I do not recollect whether Lorton took the key of the desk out of the sample chest, or whether I did—Lorton kept one key of the sample chest, and I another—when I left the counting house in the evening I gave the key to the prisoner, or her husband; I generally gave it to her—I am quite certain that the sample chest was perfect on the morning of the 30th.

Cross-examined. Q. Where was the key? A. I had it in my pocket—none of the locks seemed to have been picked; I had a little difficulty in opening the desk lock one or two mornings some time ago, but it was always locked—I staid there late sometimes, whenever it was necessary for business—I staid till 7 o'clock, and, on one or two occasions, until 8 o'clock—Mr. Shortridge generally left about 5 o'clock, and Lorton at 5, or sometimes 6 o'clock—I was then left alone with the cellarman; he would not be in the office, but in the cellar—he always left when I did—I have had occasion to go to the safe after Mr. Shortridge left; I should have to change money, and to pay the foreign post when it came in late—the prisoner always had the key of the counting house door, and I got it from her when I came in the morning—I saw the money paid to Lorton on the 28th—I did not see him put the notes in the safe—I deny having taken a glass of wine too much when I have staid there in the evening; I never was drunk in my life—I have sometimes lunched in the cellar, and I have gone out to take a chop in the middle of the day—I do not think I have not gone out after 5 o'clock, leaving the cellarman in the office.

MR. LILLEY. Q. Between 1st Jan., and the time of missing this note, did you go out after 5 o'clock to take a chop, or anything? A. Certainly not—I never left the key of the counting house at any of the offices upstairs; I always left it with the prisoner.

JOHN THOMAS WALTON . I am porter and cellarman to Mr. Shortridge, and have been so twenty-two years. On 28th Jan., I was sent by Mr. Lorton to cash a cheque—I brought two 5l. notes for it; I gave them to Mr. Lorton—I took one of them to the Custom House to pay duty, the other one I left with Mr. Lorton—I did not see what he did with it; I went off immediately to pay duty—I did not know the dates or numbers of the notes—I did not go to the safe at all between 28th and 30th Jan.

FRANCIS JOHN SILLS . I am cashier at Messrs. Curries, the bankers, in Cornhill. On 28th Jan., I paid a cheque of Yeovil, Shortridge, and Co., for 10l.; I gave for it two 5l. notes, Nos. 22901 and 22902, both dated 12th Dec., 1856—this is one of the notes.

THEODORE HALSEY FOULGER . (City policeman). On 3rd March, about

12 o'clock, I went, in company with Bassett, another officer, and Mrs. Fletcher, to No. 17, Mark Lane—I there saw the prisoner coming down stairs—from some conversation I had with Mrs. Fletcher, the prisoner was pointed out to me; I stopped her, and took her into Mr. Shortridge's counting house—I told her we were officers, and she must consider herself in our custody, for stealing a 5l. note from the iron safe in Mr. Shortridge's office—she said she had picked it up in the passage, in the evening—Mrs. Fletcher turned to the prisoner, and said, "You know you passed the note at my house"—she said she did.

CORNELIUS BASSETT . (City policeman, 593). I went with Foulger to No. 17, Mark Lane, and saw the prisoner—when she was charged with having stolen the note from the iron safe, she said she picked it up in the passage—I asked her if her husband knew it—she said he did not—I asked her what she did with the money—she said she had it up stairs—she subsequently handed me this bank book, and pointing to an entry of 4l. 10s. on 16th Feb., she said that was a portion of the money.

HUGH PIPER BURNARD . I am a teller in the Customs. On 28th Jan. I received from Walton a 5l. Bank of England note, in payment of some duties—it was No. 22902, and dated 12th Dec., 1856.

RICHARD ADYE BAILEY . I am a clerk in the Bank of England. I produce a 5l. note, dated 12th Dec., 1856, No. 22901—it was paid into the Bank of England on 25th Feb. last—there is an endorsement on it of "Cockron, No. 17, Mark Lane."

MR. RIBTON. to EDWARD HARDING LORTON. Q. What other monies were in the safe on 28th Jan.? A. Seven sovereigns—I found those still in the safe on the 30th, when I missed the note—the lock of the desk appeared in very good order, and so did the lock of the sample chest—I saw nothing different from usual.

JOHN CHIP . re-examined. The prisoner might have seen me lock the iron safe; I cannot say whether she has or not.

(The prisoner received a good character.)


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446. CATHERINE MURRAY , stealing 1 watch, value 5l.; the property of Howerth Dance, from his person.

MR. PAYNE. conducted the Prosecution.

HOWERTH DANCE . I am a messenger, in Birchin Lane. On 25th March, about 9 o'clock at night, I was in Fenchurch Street, close to the Blackwall Railway—I turned up Church Court for a particular purpose, and two women came behind me, seized my arms, and asked me for money—I told them that I had no money—the prisoner was one of them, she was on my left side—the one who got away took 1s. out of this little pocket—it had been run over, and was defaced—I told her that it was of no use to any one, and while I was saying that, I heard a snap, and thought it was one of my buttons—the woman on my right ran away, and I found my guard hanging down without my watch—I took hold of the prisoner, and held her fast—she tried to get away, and wanted to know what I was holding her for; I said that I would tell her when I saw a policeman—she struggled very much, and began to kick and fight; it took all my strength to hold her—an officer came, and I gave her in charge—my watch was safe when I went up the court, for when Aldgate Church struck 9 o'clock, my watch was ten minutes too slow—the prisoner was hanging round me at the time I heard the snap.

Cross-examined by MR. DOYLE. Q. Had you been to any tavern? A.

No, I had not tasted liquor the whole day—it was about 5 minutes past 9 o'clock—there were gas lights in the court—I and the other woman did not go some way up the court, leaving the prisoner at the entrance—I did not go up the court with the other woman to talk with her; I was in great trouble and distress, having had one of my children burned to death, and taken to the station house only twenty minutes before—I did not give the woman the shilling—the watch was not found on the prisoner, most likely she passed it to the other one—I am not aware that she is very large in the family way—I was not with her three or four minutes.

MR. PAYNE. Q. Had you anything to do with any woman up that court? A. Certainly not, I was in too much trouble—there was no other person by who could have taken it.

JOHN BROOKS . (City policeman, 666). I was in Aldgate a little after 9 o'clock, and saw the prosecutor holding the prisoner; he said that she had robbed him in a court in Fenchurch Street—I took her to the station; she gave her address, and I found that she lived there—she said that she did not take the watch.

Cross-examined. Q. Was the prosecutor sober? A. Quite—the prisoner had been taking a little, but was not drunk—1s. 10 1/2 d. was found on her, but no watch—she is very far advanced in pregnancy.

GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Four Months.

NEW COURT.—Monday, April 6th, 1857.

PRESENT—Sir JAMES DUKE., Bart., Ald.; Mr. Ald. SIDNEY.; Mr. Ald. HALE.; and Mr. COMMON SERJEANT.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Fifth Jury.

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447. HENRY WILLIAM BONSOR was indicted for embezzling 13l., 46l. 3s., and 15l. 15s.; also, 30l., 17l., and 8l.; the moneys of William Henry Ashmott and another, his masters: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY ., and received a good character. Aged 37.— Confined Eighteen Months.

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448. LUKE CLOW , stealing 1 watch, value 30s.; the goods of Abraham Levy, from his person: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 28.— Confined Six Months.

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449. THOMAS RODGERS , stealing 4 skins of fur, value 48s.; and 51 pieces of fur, value 5l.; the goods of Curtis Miranda Lampson, his master: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 42.— Confined Twelve Months.

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450. JAMES HUTCHINGS , stealing 1 handkerchief, value 1s.; the goods of a man unknown, from his person.

EDWARD HANCOCK . (City policeman, 229). I was on duty in King William Street on Wednesday, 29th March, a little after 9 o'clock in the evening. I saw the prisoner, and some others with him—they followed a gentleman, with an umbrella under his arm, to the corner of Nicholas Lane—the prisoner put his hand into the gentleman's pocket, and took his handkerchief out—I told the gentleman, and the prisoner ran down Nicholas Lane—I followed him into Nicholas Passage, and laid hold of him—he became very violent; I threw him on the ground, and held him

there till another constable arrived—I then searched him, and found this handkerchief concealed under his arm—I took him to the station—the gentleman said that the handkerchief was his—the prisoner said, "Look at the villain, he has shoved a handkerchief under my arm to say I stole it"—the gentleman said, "So you have"—afterwards, at the station, the prisoner said it was his own handkerchief, his sister had given it him, and he resided at No. 3, Cannon Street, Commercial Road—inquiry was made there, and he was not known.

EDWARD FEAST . (City policeman, 350). I was at Nicholas Passage when the prisoner was taken, and I assisted in taking him—the account the last witness has given is true—the prisoner said at the station that it was his own handkerchief, and his sister gave it him.

Prisoner's Defence. I was by the fire, and the constable came and put his hand round my arm, and said, "What have you got about you, a watch?" I said, "No?" he said, "Have you got anything?" I said, "No, I have not;" he said, "Let me feel," and he felt my pocket; I laid down; he took out this handkerchief, and put it under my arm;" I said, "You villain, you have put the handkerchief under my arm;" he took me to the station, and swore he saw me pick the gentleman's pocket; the gentleman came, but he would not come into the station.

EDWARD FEAST . re-examined. The gentleman came to the station, but he would not come in—I do not know who he was; he said he should be back in a minute or two.

GUILTY .** Aged 17.— Four Tears Penal Servitude.

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451. CEJABI GIOVANNI , stealing 1 purse and 1l. 2s. in money; the property of Maria Messer, from his person.

(The prisoner being a foreigner, had the evidence interpreted to him.)

MARIA MESSER . I live at Voluntary Place, Wanstead. I was on Ludgate Hill on Monday afternoon, 16th March, with two friends, looking in at a shop window—one of my friends said something, and I missed my purse; I saw the prisoner standing by my side, with my purse in his hand—I took hold of him, and asked him to give up my purse—he said he had not got it—I said, "If you have not got it, you have thrown it away—I told my friend to call a policeman, and the prisoner was taken into custody—the prisoner said he had not got it in his hand or in his pocket—he spoke English—there was in my purse a half sovereign, a florin, nine shillings, two sixpences, two 4d. pieces, and one 3d. piece—I saw it again at the police station; a policeman showed it to me—I had had it safe about a quarter of an hour before.

ADELAIDE WRIGHT . I was on Ludgate Hill with the last witness, and saw the prisoner with his hand in her pocket; I took his hand out, and saw a purse in his hand—he twisted his hand away from me, and went a few yards off—my friend overtook him, and he was taken into custody.

JOHN HARDY . I am in the employ of Mr. Alderman Sidney, on Ludgate Hill. About 3 o'clock on that afternoon, a young woman spoke to me; I went down into the basement, picked up this purse in the area, and gave it to the policeman.

GEORGE GIRLING . (City policeman, 350). I took the prisoner directly opposite Alderman Sidney's window—I searched him, and found 3s. 6d. on him—I produce this purse, which I received at the station.

ROBERT LILLEY . (City policeman, 344). I received this purse and money from John Hardy.

MARIA MESSER . re-examined. This is my purse, and the money in it is right.

Prisoner's Defence. She says that I spoke English, but I could not, its not true; I deny that I took the purse; they have made up their minds to make a false accusation; I was looking in at the window at the same time as they were.

GUILTY .* Aged 22.— Confined Six Months.

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452. GEORGE CRAGG , embezzling 3d. and 4d.; the moneys of George Grant, his master: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 26.—Recommended to mercy.— Confined One Day.

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453. ELIZA RINGSTEAD , unlawfully concealing the birth of her child.


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454. THOMAS WEBB , stealing 3 sheep, value 3l., and 2 sheep skins, value 3s.; the property of Joshua Freeman.

MR. COOPER. conducted the Prosecution.

JOSHUA FREEMAN . I carry on a farm, at Ashford, in Middlesex. The prisoner came to me on 19th March, about 10 o'clock in the morning—he asked me if I would sell him some sheep and some skins—I showed him some sheep—I asked him 4l. for three sheep and two skins, which he had seen and examined—I at last came down to 3l.; and, after a good deal of talking, he said that he would have them—I asked him when he could come for them—he said that he could not be there before half past 5 o'clock in the afternoon—I said that I would meet him at that time—I said, "You must bring the money for them, and I will go up to the field, and deliver them to you myself"—he said, "Yes," and that he would be certain to do that—I said, "Or else you won't have them"—he left; I went out, and on my return home, I found that the sheep and the skins had been taken away—after that the prisoner was taken.

Cross-examined by MR. SLEIGH. Q. When was he taken? A. On Thursday, 26th—I told the prisoner if he did not bring the money, he should not have the sheep—I had sold him sheep before—he did not complain to me that, after having bought them and killed them, they turned out rotten and unsaleable; nor to any one, to my knowledge—I did not meet him on the road as he was coming back from a sale, on 19th March—it was at a place of business that sale took place—he did not tell me he was on his way home, having been to a sheep sale—he said that he had been to a sale the day before—my man was not present at the sale—there was no one present—the prisoner did not complain that the last lot he bought had turned out rotten and unsaleable—he said that the previous lot to this had turned out better than he expected—I had only had dealings with him once before, which was in the autumn of last year—he did not express to me a fear that these sheep would not turn out good when they were killed—I did not say, "When they are killed, you will find they are the nicest quality"—I asked him 4l. for them—he did not say he was afraid to buy them at 3l. for fear they should turn out bad, like the last—I do not know what he gave me for the last—it is in the book at home—he did not say "The last lot I bought of you, I gave you nearly 2l. each for"—I do not remember the price of them—I told him these were teggs—he did not say it was a pity to kill them, if they were only last year's lambs; nothing of the kind—we had no conversation about the former lot—Ringer had authority to deliver the sheep and the skins, provided the money was paid to

him, or if he knew the money was paid to me—the sheep were taken away the same Thursday afternoon—the prisoner's shop is about two miles from my place—I heard that afternoon from Ringer that the sheep had been taken away—I went the next day to the prisoner, but I did not go with an intention of going to his place—I was at his shop; I stopped there—he did not tell me he had killed the sheep, not to the best of my recollection—I do not remember it—I will not swear about it—I did not go to him again a day or two after that—I did not go on the Monday, or Tuesday, or Wednesday—I did not send my man for the money in the meantime—I did not send any person to him for the money—on my oath, I did not call on him on the Saturday—I rode on horseback on the Saturday about the farm—I was not riding away from the farm on the Saturday—he did not ask me to get off my horse, and come into his place, till I should see what kind of meat I had sold him.

Q. Between the Friday when you had this conversation, and the Thursday when you gave him into custody, did he not ask you to come and look at the meat you had sold him? A. No, I never saw him—he never asked me to come and look at the meat, or if I thought he could sell such meat as this to any Christian; nothing of the kind—he did not tell me the livers of the sheep were quite rotten, and that it was only fit for dogs—he did not tell me on the Friday that he should be at Uxbridge on the following Wednesday—he did not tell me he should be at Ashford on the following Thursday—we have twenty men in our employ, besides Ringer—I did not send one of our men on the Monday to him for money—I have no other man here besides Ringer—I did not ask him for the money on the Friday; I asked him why he had taken the sheep from my shepherd, and represented to him that they were paid for—he said that he had not done so—I said, "I shall lodge it in other hands"—that was all I said—he did not say, "I was not to pay for them till next Thursday"—there was no arrangement that he was to pay for them on the following Thursday.

MR. COOPER. Q. How came it that he was not taken into custody sooner? A. Because it is my father's business—I communicated with him, he lives in Norfolk—I waited for his answer.

JEREMIAH RINGER . I am shepherd to the prosecutor. On 19th March the prisoner came to me on the farm, at Ashford, about half past 3 o'clock—my master was away at the time—I do not know where he was—the prisoner said he had bought three sheep and two skins of my master, and given him 3l. for them—I asked him for the money, he said that he had paid 3l. down to my master for the three sheep and two skins—I said that my master left word with me not to let him have the sheep without the money—he said that he had paid my master—I went and let him have three sheep, and he put them on the cart.

Cross-examined. Q. You told him that your master had instructed you not to let him have them without he paid for them; did you ever state that before? A. No, sir—the prisoner said that he had paid 3l. down for them—I asked him if he had paid the money to my master, he said, "Yes, 3l. "—I have been seventeen years with my master—I remember the prisoner buying two sheep from him in the autumn—I did not go to the prisoners place—I did not see him after the Thursday, when he got the sheep, till he was taken—I remember the prisoner being there in the morning—I saw him with my master—I did not hear the conversation.

COURT. Q. Did you see your master after he came home on the Thursday

afternoon? A. Yes, I told him the sheep had been delivered to Webb, and he scolded me for having delivered them.

JOHN MIDDLETON . (Police sergeant, V 24). I took the prisoner.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you take him at his own shop? A. Yes, on Thursday, 26th, in consequence of Mr. Freeman's instructions the day previous.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you tell him it was for stealing three sheep? A. I told him it was for obtaining them by false representation from the shepherd—he said that he had bought them, and was going to pay for them that day, and the amount he was pay was 3l.—I searched him, and found 1l. 19s. on him—he keeps a little shop at Staines; he told me the meat had turned out rotten and unsaleable; he showed me the meat in the shop.

MR. COOPER. Q. Did you look at it? A. Yes—I do not understand it much, it looked very bad—I do not know that it was off the sheep he had bought—he told me so.


OLD COURT.—Tuesday, April 7th, 1857.


Before Mr. Recorder and the Second Jury.

Reference Number: t18570406-455

455. GEORGE PAGE , stealing 93 cigars, value 10s.; the goods of Frederick William Martin.

MR. PLATT. conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN BRETT . I am shopman to Mr. Martin, a tobacconist, of No. 25, Ludgate Hill. On Saturday, 28th March, at a little before 4 o'clock, the prisoner came for a twopenny cigar—I was serving a customer, and saw the prisoner take a bundle of cigars from a box on the counter, put his handkerchief over them, and put them under his arm—I walked round the counter, took them from him, and gave him in charge—they weigh nearly 1 lb., they are worth 10s., and are Mr. Martin's.

Cross-examined by MR. SLEIGH. Q. Had you ever seen him there before? A. Yes, he has been in the habit of coming, and he had been there twice that morning for pennyworths of tobacco—there was no one else serving in the shop, but Mr. Martin came in just as I was going round to give the prisoner into custody—I said nothing to the prisoner before I left the inside of the counter—when I got to the front of the counter the cigars were under his arm, he had not put them on the counter again—he had not been asking me the price of cigars—the cigars are kept in an open case, there is no glass over it—Mr. Martin was in the shop before I put my hand on the prisoner, and took the cigars from him; and he called a policeman while I remained in the shop—Mr. Martin saw that he had the cigars under his arm; he is not here, he cannot leave the shop—the prisoner remained in the shop while Mr. Martin went for a policeman.

MR. PLATT. Q. Did he say anything to you except to ask you for a twopenny cigar? A. No—he said nothing when I took the cigars from him.

PHILIP MONK . (City policeman, 334). I took the prisoner, took him to the station, and found on him 3s. 2 1/2 d., a clasp knife, a tobacco box, and a pair of cloth gloves—I produce the cigars.

Cross-examined. Q. Who gave him into custody? A. The last witness—the

cigars were on the counter—the prisoner denied that he had any intention of stealing them; he told me, not in the shop, but on the way to the station, that he merely took them up to look at them—he gave his right address.

COURT. to JOHN BRETT. Q. When you took them from under his arm, where was the handkerchief? A. Over them—it completely covered them, and was twisted round; and when I laid them on the counter he snatched it from under them; it was wrapped over so as to hide the cigars.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 21.—Strongly recommended to Mercy by the Jury.— Confined One Month.

Reference Number: t18570406-456

456. WILLIAM CLOW , stealing 72 dead fish, value 1l.; the goods of Arthur M'Namara, and another.

MR. ROBINSON. conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM TURNER . I am carman to Arthur M'Namara, and Co., of Castle Street, Finsbury. On 3rd March, I was delivering fish at Billingsgate, from my van, from the Eastern Counties Railway—I know the prisoner, he works along with Simpson, for Ford; I saw him on that morning about Billingsgate—he came and asked me for three packages for Ford—I told him I had not got any, and he went away—I had no packages for Ford—just before 6 o'clock, when I was busy behind, I saw him take one of the packages off the front of the van—I said, "Give us a ticket for it"—he said, "Simpson will give you the ticket for it"—it was a pad of soles, with a straw top, and belonged to Mr. Long.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLET. Q. Did you see inside the package? A. No; I do not know what was inside—it was a pad of soles it said, but they do not allow us to look in the baskets—I had from eighty to eighty—six packages that morning; the van will hold ninety—it was about half past 8 o'clock, it was not day light exactly—I have never said that the prisoner is not the man—I went twice to his house, and saw his wife once—I have only known him two or three months—I have been in the market this last time about fifteen months, and I have driven for M'Namara before—I went before the Grand Jury twice; I do not know whether they threw out the bill the first time.

MR. ROBINSON. Q. Were there any pads received for Mr. Long that day? A. Yes, by a person named Adams—those I saw him take were similar to those received from Mr. Adams.

JAMES SIMPSON . I am porter to Mr. Forge, a fish salesman, of Billingsgate Market. The prisoner sometimes assists me in getting fish from the vans, and carrying it—he told me on the morning of 3rd March, that there was no fish for me on Turner's van, for he had inquired—I was looking out for three packages of Yarmouth fish about a quarter to 6 o'clock, and got them from other vans—I did not authorise the prisoner to take any pads for me from Mr. Turner's van—I delivered the three packages I received to my master.

Cross-examined. Q. How long has the prisoner been working there? A. Four or five months; I have known him sixteen years, and he has been working for Mr. Forge four or five months—I have known him in the market that time, and his father before him.

MR. ROBINSON. Q. Had you given him any tickets that morning? A. We always have tickets between us; we share them; he would have twenty, thirty, or forty in his pocket, we always have a lot on hand.

WILLIAM FORGE ., Junior. I am a fish salesman with my father, in Billingsgate. The prisoner was employed to assist Simpson—I received on

that morning from Simpson three covered pads of fish—I saw the prisoner from the first thing in the morning, till 8 o'clock; he then went away with some fish to a van, and the basket was brought back by a strange man, that was not a pad—it was the prisoner's duty to come back—if he had come back, he ought to have brought the basket which the man brought.—he did not make his appearance at all——I did not see him till next day at the Mansion House, in custody.

Cross-examined. Q. Was the basket that was brought back his own? A. It was one of the baskets that they use to carry the fish away—I heard at the Mansion House, when the policeman gave his evidence, that the prisoner's wife had been ill—I have known him about Billingsgate about six months; that was the time he worked for my father; I never knew him to do anything wrong.

MR. ROBINSON. Q. Did the strange man bring you back a message? A. Yes; it had nothing to do with the wife being ill; it was that he was taken ill, and was obliged to go home.

CHARLES JEEKS . I am foreman to Messrs. M'Namara, From information I received, I went, on the morning of the 3rd, about 10 o'clock, to the prisoner's house, in Plummer Street, Southwark, and made inquiries about him—I did not find him there, and did not see his wife.

DANIEL ADAMS . I am in the employ of Benjamin Long, a fish factor, of Billingsgate Market. On this day we received five pads of fish; our invoice says six; it is not here—I made inquiries of the carmen several times in the course of the morning; I inquired a short time after 5 o'clock—they are the chief fish, and we generally fetch them as soon as we can, because they fetch the most money—I made inquiries again, but could not find the sixth—s pad is a basket covered with straw, which is sewn down on the fish—it contained dead soles.

Cross-examined. Q. At what time did you receive your packages? A. Between 5 and 6 o'clock; the van arrived at the market about a quarter past 5 o'clock.

THOMAS M'INTOSH . (City policeman, 581). On 3rd March, about 10 o'clock, I went with Turner to America Street, Southwark Bridge Road, and found the prisoner there—he appeared quite well; I did not see his wife—I told the prisoner I wanted to take him in charge for stealing a pad of soles off one of Mr. M'Namara's vans—he said, "So help me God, I did not take them;" and that his wife was ill, and he hoped I should not make a noise—I said that provided he came quietly I would not, and he came quietly—on the way to the station house, Turner joined me, and I said to the prisoner, "Is this your master?"—he said, "Yes, then I shall know what to do"—I searched him, and found a memorandum book, a tobacco box, a knife, and a small bag, containing twenty tickets.

JAMES SIMPSON . re-examined. These tickets have "J. S." on all of them, and are the delivery tickets.

(The prisoner received a good character.)


Reference Number: t18570406-457

457. MARY ANN OLIVE , stealing 1 cwt. of metal type, and 10 lbs. weight of brass, value 7l.; the property of George Edward Eyre and another.

MR. SLEIGH. conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM JARVIS . I am a detective City officer. On Saturday evening, 21st Feb., I went with Thain, a brother officer, with Mr. Scott to Mr. May's, and found about half a ton of type (produced); some is new, and some old—in consequence of information, I went the same evening to No.

11, Rose Alley—I remained there some time, and then saw the prisoner; she was spoken to by a boy from Eyre and Spottiswoode's, about some manuscript—I did not speak to her then, nor did Thain—she said that she had not got it; I said, "You had better go and explain about it"—on the road, in shoe Lane, I said, "You are accused of selling a quantity of type to Mr. Mays, of No. 18, John's Square, Clerkenwell"—she said, "Me? Lord bless your soul, I never had any type; if I had, I could not get a farthing a pound for it"—I said, "You must accompany me to Fleet Street station," and sent for Mr. Mays' son, who said, "That is the woman and boy that I have bought type of"—the prisoner said, "Yes, I have sold you type, and you paid me 2d. a pound for it, and you have bought of other women besides me"—she said that she used to take her bag and hang it on a nail, in front of Mr. Mays' window, and the boys used to empty it, and she could not tell what they put into it—the prosecutors. did not press against the boy, he being of very tender years.

EDWARD PAUL . I am principal storekeeper to Messrs. Spottiswoode. The prisoner had the privilege for years of taking paper from the dust hole, but not of clearing the sweepings from morning to morning—I have looked at a quantity of type, and recognize nearly the whole it as the property of Messrs. Spottiswoode—some is old, but a portion of it is quite new; some of it has marks of mine on it—in it's present state it is worth 4d. a pound, a little more than the value of the old metal—it is not worn out or useless—the price when new is from 1s. to. 3s. 6d. per pound—it is not type which we should have sold as useless.

ANDREW STEPHENS . I live at No. 21, Parkfield Street, Islington, and am assistant to Mr. Mays, who keeps a metal warehouse. I know the prisoner, and bought type of her within a month of her being taken into custody—I cannot say whether this is a portion of it—I bought some of her on the night she was taken; 44 lbs. at 2d. per 1b.—on 18th Feb. I bought some brass of her, but a portion of it was type (Referring to a book)—on 6th Feb. I bought type and brass of her to the amount of 3s. 10d.—she used to come sometimes twice a week, sometimes three or four times a week, and sometimes only once.

COURT. Q. Did you know who she was? A. Yes, for many years, bringing small pieces of brass and waste paper—she said that she had the cleaning out of the Queen's printing office, and had the sweepings—if she had half a ton of type, it was in the course of time, and I did not know the extent of the office; I had only been with Mr. Mays six or eight weeks—she came during that time once or twice a week, and received 8s. or 10s. a week—she brought probably 40 lbs. or 50 lbs. a week—I did not inquire at the printing office.

JOHN MAYS . I carry on this establishment in St. John's Square, Clerkenwell, and have at times bought type of this description of the prisoner at 2d. per lb.

COURT. Q. What is the value of it as old metal? A. I have sold it again at from 21s. to 23s. per cwt., which is 2 1/2 d. per lb., or thereabouts—when she first brought it I made inquiry of her, and she told me she had the clearings out of the Queen's printing office—it was nothing like 40 lbs. or 50 lbs. a week—there was all the appearance that she had got it from the dirt—I did not make inquiry at the Queen's printing office.

CHARLES THAIN . (Policeman). I searched the prisoner's place, and found a lot of dirt, such as would be the sweepings of the office.

Prisoner's Defence. It was all flung in the dust hole together, and I

used to take it away; no gentleman told me that it was of any good, or I would not have taken it.

GUILTY . Aged 34.— Confined Nine Months.—The Jury considered that Mays ought to be reprimanded, and THE COURT. ordered his expenses to be disallowed.

Reference Number: t18570406-458

458. JAMES DOBSON , stealing, on 6th March, 6 printed books, value 30s.; the goods of Joseph Johnson Miles and others, his masters.—2d. COUNT., stealing, on 7th March, 3 printed books of his said masters.

MR. ORRIDGE. conducted the Prosecution.

PEACHEY CRAWFORD . I am assistant to Messrs. Muncaster and Warre, pawnbrokers, Skinner Street, Snow Hill. On the evening of 20th March the prisoner came to our shop about a quarter past 6 o'clock, and offered a Bible in pledge—I asked him who it belonged to—he said it was his property—I asked if he dealt in Bibles or books—he said he did, he was a dealer in them—I then asked if he was a binder—he said, "Yes"—I said it was rather unusual for binders of books to deal in them, especially books of that kind, and I asked him whether it really did belong to him, or whether he was bringing it for some one else—he then asked me to give him the book again—I refused to do so—he said if I would give it him back, he would really feel thankful, that he had taken it from his master's stock, and he merely wished to raise a temporary loan upon it, and it was his intention to replace it in the stock again—I then said that I had seen him in the shop before, and asked if he had pledged any with us previously—he said he had, and that he had two in pledge—I asked him what they were in for, and I then told him that I felt it to be my duty to give him in charge to the police—I went to the door to look for a policeman—I was some little time in finding one, in the mean time the prisoner escaped from the side door—at that moment the policeman came up and took him—this (produced) is the Bible—I also produce a Prayer Book, pledged on 7th March, for 2s., and a Church Service on the 12th, for 1s.—that was what the prisoner asked upon them.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. You gave him duplicates for those, of course? A. Yes; upon the production of those duplicates, and the payment of the interest, he would get the books back again—he said that he merely wanted a temporary loan, being in distress.

EDWARD COTTER . (City policeman, 246). I was called to the shop of Messrs. Muncaster and Warre, and saw the prisoner running away from the side door—he ran down Newcastle Street, across Farringdon Market, into Stonecutter Street, where I caught him—he was very violent; it took three or four of us to secure him—I searched him at the station, and found on him 1l. 2s. 2 1/2 d.

Cross-examined. Q. He gave his right address, did he not? A. Yes—I have been to his house—he has a wife and children.

JOHN STAINES . (City policeman 702). I was at the station house when the prisoner was there—on removing him, I found on the floor where he had been standing these seven duplicates for books; six for 1s. each, and one for 2s.

PEACHEY CRAWFORD . re-examined. Two of these duplicates refer to the Church Service and Prayer Book produced.

FRANCIS BURNAND . I am assistant to Mr. Martin, a pawnbroker, on Snow Hill. I produce a Bible, and Prayer Book and Lessons, and other books, six volumes altogether, pawned with us for 1s. each—these duplicates refer to these books.

GEORGE COX . I am assistant to Messrs. Miles, of Bride Passage, Fleet Street. These books have all been in our stock—the prisoner was employed in the warehouse as porter—his wages were a guinea a week—on Friday, 20th March, I paid him his wages before he left—he would have access to the books in the warehouse—the value of the books produced is 35s.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you hear him say that he intended to replace them? A. Yes, he said so at Guildhall.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 45.— Confined Twelve Months.

Reference Number: t18570406-459

459. WILLIAM JONES , stealing a watch, value 4l.; the goods of John Harris, from his person: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 23.— Confined Six Months.

Reference Number: t18570406-460

460. JOHN GIFFORD , stealing a watch, value 21l.; the goods of Patrick Scanlan, from his person: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined Nine Months.

NEW COURT.—Tuesday, April 7th, 1857.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Sixth Jury.

Reference Number: t18570406-461

461. CHARLES WILSON was indicted for unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Eighteen Months.

Reference Number: t18570406-462

462. GEORGE HARROWAY was indicted for a like offence: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 34.— Confined Eighteen Months.

Reference Number: t18570406-463

463. JOHN BROWN was indicted for a like offence: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 26.— Confined Eighteen Months.

Reference Number: t18570406-464

464. HENRY JACKSON was indicted for a like offence: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined Eighteen Months.

Reference Number: t18570406-465

465. WILLIAM WILSON was indicted for a like offence; and also for unlawfully having counterfeit crowns and half crowns in his possession: to both which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 42.— Confined Two Years.

Reference Number: t18570406-466

466. JOHN JONES was indicted for unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 25.— Confined Eighteen Months.

Reference Number: t18570406-467

467. JOHN COLEBECK was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. ELLIS. and POLAND. conducted the Prosecution.

ELIZABETH ANN BARTON . I am barmaid at the Wheatsheaf, St. Marylebonne. On 28th March I was serving there, and the prisoner came in about half past 5 o'clock—I served him with half a pint of beer; the price was 1d.—he gave me a bad half crown, I threw it back towards him; he gave me a good one, and I gave him 2s. 5d. change—Mr. Pearce, the landlord,

took the bad half crown—in the change I gave him there were two shillings; I believe they were both good.

Prisoner. I had the bare change, 2s. 4d., on me, and no other money. Witness. You had beer of some sort—I will not swear that one of the shillings I gave you was not bad—I believe they were both good—a counterfeit 5s. piece was offered to me the day before, but I did not take it—a half crown was offered to me the day before, and that I did not take—I do not know whether my mistress said, "I don't believe that the young man knew it was bad"—I did not take notice of what she said.

COURT. Q. Do you remember your mistress speaking to you? A. No; she was speaking to Mr. Pearce after the prisoner was brought back by him—that was before the policeman searched the prisoner—he went away, and was fetched back by Mr. Pearce.

JAMES WITT PEARCE . I am landlord of the Wheatsheaf. I remember the prisoner being in my house on 18th March, about half past 5 o'clock—I did not see him served—I saw the half crown was bad which Barton brought in—I gave it to the constable—when Barton gave it me. I went into the bar, saw the prisoner, and asked him where he took it—he said, "Of Mr. James, in High—street, Marylebonne"—he went out at one door and I at the other—I stood, and saw him look back several times, till he got to a mews, which he went down—I went down a street on this side of the mews, and ran and caught sight of him—he ran down several streets, and with a good deal of dodging I caught him, and brought him back to the house—I then asked him where he took the half crown; he said, "Of Mr. Williams"—I sent for a constable, and gave him into custody—he had gone one third of a mile when I came up to him—I lost sight of him when he turned the corner of the mews, but, with that exception, I kept sight of him all the time.

Prisoner. Q. Do you say that your barmaid brought you the half crown? A. Yes, into the bar parlour where I was at tea—I am sure you said you took it of Mr. James, and when you said the second time you took it of Mr. Williams, I said, "Just now it was Mr. James;" and you said that it was Mr. James Williams—when you left the house you walked fast—when you got to the corner of the mews you ran fast enough—I believe my wife entered the bar at the time I was keeping you there—I do not remember that she made any remark about the half crown—I was at the door, outside, keeping you in—she might have said, "I don't believe the young man knew it was bad; don't be hard with him; don't give him into custody;" and I might have made the reply, "Mind your own business; I shall do as I please"—I was partly out of the door, I do not remember it—I believe you took out the change, and laid it on the counter—I do not remember that you offered to be searched, or that I made any remark as to not pressing the charge, or giving you into custody, or that you said that you were willing to be searched there and then, in my presence, and beg me not to give you in charge, as you had not long got your discharge from the army, and it would be the means of destroying your character—I said, "I will wait till the policeman comes, and he will search you."

COURT. Q. Then the prisoner had offered to be searched? A. I believe he had.

Prisoner. You said, "I will wait till the policeman comes, and see if he knows you, and if he does not know you, I will not lock you up." Witness. No, I did not—the policeman did not search you in my house—I did not take a bad 5s. piece the day previous—we had detected a bad 5s.

piece and a half crown the day before that—I believe I did say while you had the glass of ale in your hand, that I had a great mind to give you into custody, as I had taken a bad 5s. piece the day before, and the next one that came I would give him into custody—the 5s. piece was offered me; I did not take it—you left something in a glass—I do not know whether it was beer or ale.

MR. ELLIS. Q. Did you see him put the change down? A. I saw him put some money down, and he put it into his pocket back again.

HENRY EVEREST . (Policemen, D 209). I took the prisoner at the Wheatsheaf—Mr. Pearce gave him into custody, and gave me this bad half crown—the prisoner said, "Search me; I have no bad money about me"—I said, "I will search you at the police station"—he said, "I have the change of the half crown"—he laid the change on the counter, and took it back again—I went with him to the station, which is, I should say, half a mile from Mr. Pearce's—I searched him—I found one counterfeit shilling, one good shilling, and 4d. in coppers.

MR. ELLIS. here withdrew from the Prosecution.


Reference Number: t18570406-468

468. JAMES FOWLER , SELINA PHILLIPS , and SARAH USHER , feloniously having in their possession moulds for making florins.

MESSRS. ELLIS. and POLAND. conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES BRANNAN, SEN . I was an inspector of police up to a recent period. On 27th March, in consequence of information, I went to a cottage in the rear of Went worth Street, Whitechapel, between 10 and 11 o'clock in the forenoon—I was accompanied by several other officers—the street door was fastened; I broke it open with a sledge hammer, and saw the three prisoners in the room, sitting near the fire—Fowler was in his shirt sleeves—the door opens into the room—the house consists of that one room only—Phillips picked off the hob of the grate a part of a plaster of Paris mould, she dropped half of it on the floor, and Fowler attempted to stamp on it—he was immediately seized by Briant and myself—he offered a desperate resistance, and kicked us most violently—we succeeded in throwing him on a bed in the room, with the assistance of Evans, who had Phillips in custody—I took from her hand a piece of plaster of Paris mould, which I produce—both the females were then secured, and I commenced searching the place—I found on the floor the obverse side of a plaster of Paris mould for making florins—on a dresser in one corner of the room I found this galvanic battery in full action, with a counterfeit shilling in the bend of the wire, and a good sixpence—the shilling was undergoing the process of coating—on the dresser I found seven counterfeit shilling (produced)—under the bed I found this iron ladle, with white metal in it, and three gets—I found three pieces of white metal, and three Britannia metal spoons, one of them partly melted, a piece of glass which is used for making the moulds on, and all the necessary implements for making and coating counterfeit coin, and several bottles with acid in them.

Fowler. Q. How many times did you knock at the door before it was opened? A. Only once—I did not think it would answer my purpose to knock three or four times.

Usher. I had only been in the room five minutes. Witness. I do not know—if she had only gone one minute before, I should not have seen her.

COURT. Q. Had you seen either of those three persons in the room before? A. No.

BENJAMIN BRIANT . (Police inspector). On Friday morning, 27th March,

I accompanied the last witness to the cottage—I saw the door broken—it opens into the room—I followed the last witness in—I immediately seized Fowler, who was rising from a chair—he fastened on me by my hair, and kicked me violently—we had a struggle for several minutes—the last witness assisted me, and we succeeded in pushing Fowler on the bed, and after some time in handcuffing him—I then found these four counterfeit shillings (produced) on the floor by the bed side—they are finished—I then searched Fowler, and in his trowsers pocket I found a good shilling, which has been used in solution for coating—while I was struggling with Fowler, I saw Usher stamping on part of a mould, which had been dropped by Phillips—Usher kicked it under the table—it was then out of her reach—she tried to escape out of the room, and was stopped by sergeant Brannan—I went afterwards with Fowler and Phillips and sergeant Brannan, in a cab, to the police court—as we were going, Phillips said, "We are not married, sir; we have only been a few days together; he told me if any of you came, to be sure and break the moulds; how do you think I shall get on?"—I said, "I don't know"—Fowler was sitting there—he heard it, but said nothing—Usher was in another cab with Mr. Brannan.

Usher. I may have kicked the mould with my feet, but I never saw it Witness. I am quite certain she saw it—she stamped on it wilfully.

THOMAS EVANS . (Policeman, G 145). I was with the other officers—I saw Phillips go to the hob, and take a plaster of Paris mould off, part of which she dropped—I then laid hold of her, and tried to take from her hand the portion which she had not dropped—Phillips said, "You shan't get it," and tried to pull me away from her, and scuffled with me—I pushed Usher away, and inspector Brannan came, and took the remaining part of the mould from Phillips's hand, and in the scuffle several pieces dropped on the floor—I found these ten counterfeit shillings on the mantel piece, of the date 1816—I went with Brannan to the police court.

Phillips. I should not have been so wild if he had not pulled my hair; and he struck me with something in his hand. Witness. I saw her hair fall all about, but I did not see any one pull it—I did not strike her—I had nothing in my hand, nor had any one, except Mr. Brannan, who had the hammer in his hand which the door was broken open with.

JAMES BRANNAN . (Police sergeant, G 21). I went with the other officers to the cottage; I saw the door broken open—I went in; I saw Usher attempting to escape at the door—I took her into custody—after securing her, I saw on the mantel—piece five counterfeit shillings of 1816, wrapped in a piece of newspaper—I went to the police station with Fowler and Phillips—I heard Phillips say what has been stated by inspector Briant—Fowler was there, I did not hear him say anything—he was paying attention and nodding.

Usher. He pulled me in by the hair of my head. Witness. I pulled her in, but not by her hair—she resisted very violently; so did the whole three of them.

JAMES BRYAN . (Policeman, G 104). I went with the other officers—I assisted Mr. Brannan, who was in a very violent struggle with Fowler; I received a very violent kick—I found four counterfeit shillings of 1816, in a cup with water and sand—I afterwards went to the police court.

HENRY JAMES ADAMS . I am landlord of the house. On 27th March, I arrived and found the officers in the place—I let the place to Fowler and Phillips together, about three months ago—I received rent from Fowler up

to the time the prisoners were taken—I have received rent of Phillips—I had seen Fowler and Phillips at the place daily, as I was building a house within ten doors of it—I had been building about a month before 27th March—I had not seen Usher there.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . I am inspector of coin to the Royal Mint. This mould has on it the obverse side of a florin, it is made of plaster of Paris—the moulds are formed on a piece of glass like this, or sometimes on tin—this plaster of Paris is in powder, it is put in the mould, and hardened with water—the impression on the mould is by putting a coin on the glass, and the plaster runs all over it, and then the mould is half done—here is a fragment of a mould with enough to enable me to see that it is the reverse side of a florin—here are Britannia metal spoons, and metal used in making the coin—this spoon has been put in as they wanted it, and so much would be melted away—here are twenty or thirty counterfeit shillings of the reign of George the Third, 1816; some of them are quite complete, and ready for circulation—here is no mould for making shillings, nor any part of one—here is a good sixpence, which has been used in the acid—this is the acid—here is the jar and the battery—here is a good sixpence attached to one wire, and in these other wires are the shillings—they are all put into the acid, and the acid takes the silver off the good sixpence at the bottom, and throws it on the bad shillings—they then undergo another process, which is scouring with sand, to take off the taste which they have from the acid—after that they are coloured, to make them look well when thrown down, like shillings that have been some time in circulation—almost anything will do that, sometimes they use a little black, or a little dust—here is a good shilling which has been in the solution—here is everything necessary for carrying on the business of coining—here is some stuff used for cleaning the coin—these files have white metal in their teeth, after getting the gets off; these are used to file the coins—this battery is on a large scale—it would hold half crowns as well as shillings—a good shilling would coat, very likely, a thousand—it would go a great way.

Fowler's Defence, I have known Phillips for some time, and we were to have been married on the 6th; I deny the charge of coining; the house was certainly occupied by me, and I gave a man my consent that these articles should be there, on condition of his acknowledging a debt due to me of 26s., but I took no part in making these coins; I allowed my house to be used for such purposes without the knowledge of the crime, and without the knowledge of Phillips; I have stated this not to exonerate myself; I am aware that I must suffer, but I wish to prove to you the innocence of this female; I had allowed the man to have the use of my place for six weeks, and four of them had expired; I had contrived to keep Phillips ignorant of it, by sending her on visits or errands when anything was going on, but on the Sunday previous I accidentally said to her, "If anything happens, put those away which shall be at the fire;" she said, "What?" I told her to keep everything out of sight, and to say that she knew nothing of what was going on; Usher has known me the last three or four years, and knew that I obtained an honest livelihood; she had no thought that anything wrong was going on; she came in that day without fear, little thinking that within half an hour she would be in custody; is it likely that a man should leave the door of a house, when he was carrying on such a dangerous trade, on the jar, or on only the common fastening of a lock, which would open with a kick? had I been in the habit of obtaining my living by such means, I should have fastened it, but though I was in the house, and knew what was

going on, I was not aware that I was so awfully breaking the laws; Usher came in without suspicion, and when she saw five men rush in in the manner that they did, and use such violence, she became alarmed; Phillips knew nothing, but was kept in ignorance; she was with a man whom she thought was to be her lawful husband in less than a fortnight.

Usher's Defence. I have known Phillips about six months; I went to ask her to come round to my place; I was not there five minutes before the officers came; I am as innocent as you are.

FOWLER— GUILTY . Aged 39.— Transported for Life.

PHILLIPS— GUILTY . Aged 22.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury.— Confined Six Months. USHER— NOT GUILTY .

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469. WILLIAM CLARK, alias John Smith , feloniously uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. ELLIS. and POLAND. conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS STONE . (Police sergeant, T 17). I produce a certificate of a conviction (Read: "Central Criminal Court, Jan., 1856, William Clark, Convicted of uttering counterfeit coin; Confined nine months")—the prisoner it the person—I was present at the trial and I had him in custody.

ELIZABETH WOODFIELD . My husband keeps a shop, at No. 14, Upper Street, Islington. On 18th March, at half past 9 o'clock in the evening, a person named Jones (see page 705) came in, and bought a tooth brush—he gave me a bad 5s. piece—I gave him 4s. 6d. and the tooth brush—while I was taking the crown the prisoner came in, and asked for a pocket comb, but he said I might serve the other gentleman first—I did so, and then I showed the prisoner some pocket combs—he did not buy one, he said they were too dear—Jones went out first—this is the tooth brush that I served Jones with—I kept the crown in my till, and gave it to the police officer on Saturday, 21st March—I am positive I did not mix it with any other crown.

MARGARET FENTON . My brother keeps a tobacconist's shop, at Brompton. On 20th March, in the evening, the prisoner and Jones came, between 9 and 10 o'clock—the prisoner asked for a cigar, and asked Jones what he would take—Jones said, "A cuba"—I served them both—the prisoner paid me 2d., and Jones gave me a bad half crown for the cuba—I put it in the detector, and broke it in two pieces—I returned the pieces to Jones, and the prisoner paid me for the cuba; he gave me 2d.—I gave him a halfpenny, and they left together—my brother was coming in at the time; I made a communication to him, and be left the shop.

EMILY MURRAY . My husband keeps the Talbot Inn, Brompton. On 20th March, about 10 o'clock at night, the prisoner and Jones came in together—Jones called for a pint of ale, and threw down a half crown—I took it up, bent it, returned it to him, and said that it was bad—he said that he did not know it was bad—the prisoner threw down a 4d. piece, and said, "Take it out of that"—while they were there, Mr. Fenton came in—I bent the half crown, but did not mark it.

EDWARD HILTON . (Policeman, B 101). I took the prisoner at the Talbot public house on 20th March—I found a bad half crown in his right hand trowsers pocket, and found on him a good half crown—I took Jones into custody; he said he had lodged the night before at a coffee shop in Drury Lane—the prisoner was present, and heard what Jones said—the prisoner said he knew nothing of the man, only he met him accidentally at Turnham Green—I found on the prisoner this tooth brush—I showed it to Mrs. Woodfield, and she identified it—I received this half crown from her.

WILLIAM HATT . I keep a coffee shop in Drury Lane. I know the prisoner and Jones—both lodged there together in one room for about three weeks.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This half crown and crown are bad.

COURT. to EMILY MURRAY. Q. Is this the half crown that was offered to you? A. To the best of my knowledge it is.

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Four Years Penal Servitude.

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470. WILLIAM JONES , unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. ELLIS. and POLAND. conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN PALMER . I am landlord of the Windsor Castle, at Kensington. On Saturday, 14th March, the prisoner came about 4 o'clock—he asked for a pint of 6d. ale—I served him, and he gave me a bad half crown; I bent it, and threw it on the counter—I said, "This won't do"—he did not drink any of the ale, but went out immediately, and took the half crown away—I am quite certain it was bad.

Prisoner. I was not in his house, I never called for any ale at all. Witness. I am sure he is the person—I had never seen him before—he was not there a minute—there was no one else there.

MR. POLAND. Q. When did you see him again? A. Not till I was at the police court, on the 20th—I am certain he is the man.

HARRIET CASTLE . My brother keeps the Mail tavern, at Kensington. I saw the prisoner on 14th March, between 12 and 1 o'clock; he called for a pint of 6d. ale, and offered me a florin—I noticed that it was very bad, and I bent it up all round—I called my brother, and he questioned him as to whether he had any more money—he said that he had not—I gave him the florin back—he only drank about half a glass of the ale—he left that, and said he had no money to pay at all for it.

Prisoner. I was never in the house at all. Witness. I am sure you are the man, I saw you again at the police court—you were in our house about five minutes.

RICHARD HODGES . I am barman at the Prince of Wales tavern, Notting Hill, about one mile from Kensington, and about three quarters of a mile from the Windsor Castle—on Saturday, 14th March, the prisoner came to our house about a quarter before 2 o'clock—he asked for a pint of 6d. ale—I drew it, and put it on the counter—he gave me a bad half crown; I took it up, and broke it in half—I am sure it was bad—I said before I broke it that it was a bad one, and he said, "I was not aware of it"—I gave him the largest piece, and kept the smallest, which was afterwards lost—I took the ale back—I saw the prisoner again on 20th March—I am sure he is the man.

Prisoner. I was not in his house.

GEORGE TURNER . I keep the Princess Victoria, in Uxbridge Road, about two miles from Notting Hill. I saw the prisoner on 14th March, about 3 o'clock; he asked for a pint of 6d. ale; I served him, he gave me a half crown; I opened the till, and put it in—there was no other there—I gave him 2s. change, and a 3d. piece—he said, "I will have a biscuit"—I took the 3d. piece to put it into the till, and I saw the half crown—I said, "This is bad, this won't do"—he said, "Is that the one I gave you?"—I said, "Yes, here is the till; here is only a 2s. piece and some small silver in it"—I put the prisoner into the parlour, and kept him till a policeman came, and marked the half crown, and gave it to him—the prisoner had drunk the ale.

Prisoner. The one I gave you was quite a different one altogether; you either put it into your pocket or on a shelf; you might take a bad half crown of somebody, and because I came in you thought you would shove it into me; I called for a biscuit afterwards, but it was not the half crown that I gave you. Witness. I put the half crown into the till, but I never closed the till—when he asked for the biscuit, I looked into the till, and saw the half crown was bad—I had no other in the till.

CHARLES DYAS . (Policeman, T 65). I took the prisoner at the Princess Victoria—the last witness gave me this half crown—the prisoner said that it was not the half crown that he gave the witness—I found on him 2s. 2d. in good money.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This half crown is bad.

GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Nine Months.

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471. MARGARET COLEMAN was indicted for feloniously uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. ELLIS. and POLAND. conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES BUTLER . (Police sergeant, F 13). I produce a certificate—(Read: "Central Criminal Court; July, 1856, Margaret Coleman, Convicted of uttering counterfeit coin; Confined four months")—the prisoner is the person—I was the officer in the case.

ALFRED DANCEY . I live at the Castle tavern, Kentish Town. On Tuesday, 10th March, the prisoner came a little before 3 o'clock in the afternoon, with a woman named Fox—the prisoner asked for a pint of porter—I served her, and she gave me a sixpence—I put it into the detector, doubled it up, told her it was bad, and returned it to her—she paid for the beer in coppers—she and the other woman drank the beer, and they left the house; I followed them—they went to Mr. Prickett's, the Stag's Head, in Hawley Road—I watched them at the door; I called the landlord, and told him something.

Prisoner. When you said it was a bad sixpence, I said it was no use to me, and told you to put it into the fire. Witness. Yes, I told you to take it yourself.

CHARLES PRICKETT . I keep the Stag's Head, in Hawley Road. On 10th March the prisoner and another woman came to my house about 3 o'clock—the prisoner asked for a pint of beer—I served her, and she gave me a sixpence—I took it up, and the last witness spoke to me—in consequence of that, I looked at the sixpence, and it was bad—I bent it with my teeth—I asked them whether they were aware what they had given me—they said, "Yes, a sixpence"—I said that it was bad, and the prisoner put down another sixpence, which was good—I gave her the change—I sent for a constable, and gave them both into custody, with the sixpence.

Prisoner. Q. When I gave you the sixpence, did you not give me four 1d. pieces in change? A. No.

EDWARD LEATHER . (Policeman, S 235). I was called about half past 3 o'clock; I found the prisoner and another woman at Mr. Prickett's—he said that he would give the prisoner into custody for passing a counterfeit sixpence, and she had passed one previously at the Castle—she made no answer, but on the way to the station she said that a gentleman gave them to her in the street—I found 4d. on her.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This is a bad sixpence.

Prisoner. It was the same sixpence that I offered again.

GUILTY . Aged 39.— Confined Twelve Months.

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472. MARY ANN PETERS was indicted for unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. ELLIS. and POLAND. conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN MILLARD . I am a cheesemonger, at No. 23, Titchborne Street. On 11th Feb. the prisoner came, and ordered a loin of pork to be sent to Dr. Davis's, No. 17, Russell Place—she had it weighed, and ascertained the price, and went home pretending to report the weight and quality—she came back in twenty minutes, and told us to send it, and change for a sovereign—I sent it by Ward, and gave him the change for a sovereign, 16s. 3 1/2 d—he returned, and gave me a counterfeit sovereign; I kept it till yesterday, and gave it to a policeman.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Where did you put it on 11th Feb? A. Into my pocket, wrapped up in a piece of paper.

FRANK WARD . I am errand boy to the last witness. On Wednesday, 11th Feb., I took a loin of pork and 16s. 3 1/2 d., change for a sovereign, to No. 17, Russell Place—I met the prisoner at the door; she told me to go to the area gate; I gave her the pork and the change, and she gave me a bad sovereign.

Cross-examined. Q. What time was it? A. It was dark in the evening—I saw the prisoner in Russell Place, just at No. 17—I am sure she is the person—I had never seen her before—I saw her only for a minute—I have not seen her again till now.

MR. POLAND. Q. When you went to Russell Place, did this woman speak to you, or you to her? A. She said, "Is that you with the pork?" I said, "Yes"—she told me to come to the gate and she would pay me—I went to the area gate of No. 17, and she took it.

EDWARD WATSON . I am an oilman. On 25th Feb. the prisoner came to my shop, and ordered two pounds of the best composites; they came to 1s. 10d.—I sent them by Hollingshead, he came back, and brought a coin, which I gave to the policeman—she ordered the goods to be sent to Mr. Martin's, No. 15, Apollo Buildings, and she told the boy that if they were good they would be constant customers—she gave the boy orders to send change for a sovereign; I sent 18s. 2d.

JOSEPH HOLLINGSHEAD . I am in the service of Mr. Watson. On 25th Feb. the prisoner came, between 7 and 8 o'clock in the evening, to my master's shop; she spoke to me, and ordered two pounds of the best composites to be taken to Mr. Martin's, No. 15, Apollo Buildings, and change for a sovereign—I went to No. 15, Apollo Buildings, and saw the prisoner inside the gate; I gave her the goods—she took them, and gave me the counterfeit sovereign, which I gave to my master.

Cross-examined. Q. Are you quite sure you took any change? A. Yes, 18s. 2d.

THOMAS MARTIN . I live at No. 15, Apollo Buildings—I have the whole house—I do not know the prisoner—I did not order any composites.

JOHN PEARSON . I am an oilman. On Monday, 2nd March, the prisoner came, and ordered two pounds of the best composites, two pounds of soap, a flask of oil, and a pound of soda, to be sent to No. 35, Berners Street, and change for a sovereign—I sent them by Gibbs, and he returned and gave me a counterfeit sovereign, which I gave to the constable.

Cross-examined. Q. Are you quite sure that the same thing you gave to the constable was what the boy brought you? A. Yes, I kept it in my pocket, wrapped in paper, and no other sovereign was there.

SAMUEL GIBBS . I am errand boy to Mr. Pearson. On Monday, 2nd March, I took some candles, soap, and other things, to No. 35, Berners

Street, and 16s. 5 1/4 d. change—I saw the prisoner coming up to the area gate to meet me; she said that I had been a long time, and she was just going somewhere else, her mistress was waiting for the candles—I gave her the things and the change, and she gave me a bad sovereign—I took it to my master.

MARIA WHITE . I live at No. 35, Berners Street—I do not know the prisoner, she did not live there.

WILLIAM MATTHEWS . I am an oilman, and live in St. Pancras. On 2nd March, about 10 minutes past 9 o'clock, a woman came to my shop, and ordered some goods to be sent to No. 11, Cardington Street, which is about two minutes' walk from my house—she ordered candles, and pickles, and wood; they came to 3s. 8d—she just went outside, and came back, and said, "Be sure and send change for a sovereign"—I sent my boy Hobbs with the goods and change—he was gone about twenty-five minutes, and came back with the prisoner and a gentleman—Hobbs said, "This woman has been trying to pass a counterfeit sovereign"—she said she met a young woman in Cardington Street, and she asked her to take the goods of a lad whom she expected, and give him that sovereign, and take the change—the boy laid the counterfeit sovereign on the counter, and I gave it to the policeman in a few minutes.

ROBERT HOBBS . I am in the service of the last witness. On the night of 2nd March I was sent with some goods to No. 11, Cardington Street, and 16s. 4d. change—as I was going I met a woman, about two minutes' walk away from the shop—it was in Cardington Street—I had not got as far as No. 11—she said, "Make haste with those things, you have been a good long while"—I said that I could not come before, I had been out, and was only just got back—she said, "Come on"—I went to the door of the house, and there saw the prisoner—the woman said, "Here comes the cook, she will take the things"—I gave her the things, and the 16s. 4d., and she gave me a coin—I crossed to the other side to the light, looked at it, and found it was bad—I looked over, and saw that the prisoner turned back, and did not go to the house—I ran after her, and the other woman ran after me, and gave me a penny to get me away—I caught the prisoner, and took her back to the shop.

Cross-examined. Q. Did yon pull her by the gown? A. No, I laid hold of her by the arm—I said, "This is a bad one"—I called a gentleman to help me over to the shop with her—when the gentleman caught hold of her, I let her go.

CLARA JAY . I am the wife of George Jay, of No. 11, Cardington Street. I did not order these goods—I do not know the prisoner.

CHARLES CORKE . (Policeman, S 344). I took the prisoner in Mr. Matthews's shop, about a quarter before 10 o'clock—she had this basket with her—Mr. Matthews said he would give her in charge—she said, "I received the sovereign from a young woman, who asked me to receive the goods of a boy; I received the goods and the change"—Mr. Matthews gave me this coin—I also produce a coin I received from Mr. Watson, one from Mr. Pearson, and one from Mr. Millard yesterday morning.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These four are all bad.

Cross-examined. Q. Are they sovereigns at all? A. No, they are medals—I never knew an instance of a person being indicted for coining such things—they have been made many years, and are sold three a penny—on the obverse side is the head of the Queen, and on the other side, "To Hanover," and the George and Dragon.

MR. ELLIS. Q. Are they about the same size as a sovereign? A. Yes—I never heard of a person being indicted for making medals.

MR. PAYNE. submitted, that these were not counterfeits of any coin of the realm.

THE COURT. left it to the Jury to say whether they were intended to resemble sovereigns, as, if not, they must acquit the prisoner.


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473. HENRY THOMPSON was indicted for feloniously uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. ELLIS. and POLAND. conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM ALLETT . (City policeman, 263). I produce a certificate—(Read: "Central Criminal Court, Jan., 1856, John Williams, Convicted of uttering counterfeit coin; Confined six months")—the prisoner is the person—I had him in charge—I am certain he is the same person.

ROBERT TREHERN . I am a licensed victualler, of the Plough Inn, Fore Street. On 28th Feb. the prisoner came with another person—the prisoner called for a pint of beer; he paid me with a counterfeit shilling—I saw it was bad; the other one tried to take off my attention by saying that he would pay for it in halfpence, and then he would not—I put it in the detector—they wanted it back, and put down 2d. on the counter—I bent it, sent for a constable, gave it to him, and gave them in charge.

GEORGE M'LEOD . (City policeman, 141). On 28th Feb. the prisoner was given into my custody, with another man—the last witness gave me this bad shilling—I found on the prisoner a half crown, a shilling, a sixpence, and 1 1/4 d., and 2s. 2d. on the other man—the prisoner gave his address at Camden Town—I went, and found it was false—he afterwards gave the name of Wilson, and his address at Seven Dials—I found he had lived there about a fortnight.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This shilling is bad.


(The prisoner was again indicted for unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin, on which no evidence was offered.)

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474. RICHARD NEWBERRY was indicted for unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. ELLIS. and POLAND. conducted the Prosecution.

MEYER JACOBS . I am a tobacconist, of High Street, Poplar. On Thursday, 26th March, the prisoner came to my shop, between 9 and 10 o'clock in the evening—he asked for half an ounce of tobacco; I served him, and he gave me a 2s. piece, I gave him the change and he left—I put it in the till—there was no other florin there—he came again the same night between 10 and 11 o'clock—he asked for half an ounce of tobacco—I served him, and he gave me a florin—I gave him the change, and he left—it then struck me that he had been in before—I looked, and the two florins were both bad—I followed the prisoner about half a mile, till I overtook a policeman, and I gave him into custody—I brought him back to the shop, and gave the constable the florins—the prisoner told the constable he lived at No. 8, Upper North Street, Poplar.

Prisoner. Q. Was any one else present? A. No—my wife and my servant assist in the shop, and had access to the till—when I told you it was bad, you said, "If you had told me it had been bad, I would have given you a good one"—I made no reply to that.

COURT. Q. Were you in attendance in your shop all that hour? A. No; but I am sure there was no other 2s. piece taken—there were none in the till when I took the first, and only two when I took the last.

WILLIAM HUCKSTEP . (Policeman, K 293). I took the prisoner, and told

him the charge—he said, "Well, I only went into the shop once"—I got these two florins from Mr. Jacobs—the prisoner said that he lived at No. 8 North Street, which he does—I took him back, and found on him two half ounces of tobacco, two half crowns, one crown, one florin, three shillings, and three sixpences, all good, and 2d. in coppers, making 16s. 8d.—the price of half an ounce of tobacco is 1 1/2 d.

Prisoner. Q. Did you go to my mistress? A. Yes, I did.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These florins are bad, and both from the same mould.

Prisoner's Defence. I can be on my oath that the first time I was not in his shop, nor in Poplar; I can bring my mistress to prove it; I went into the shop to get some tobacco, not knowing that I had half an ounce in my pocket; I had received two florins for taking some boxes on board a vessel; I went into the shop the last time, and he gave me change; I then went into a public house and had a drop of beer with the change he gave me; I did not know the florin was bad; I went into his shop, but once that night.

JURY. to MEYER JACOBS. Q. What change did you give him? A. 1s. 10 1/2 d. each time—I cannot tell whether it was in silver or coppers—I saw the prisoner in a public house after he passed the last florin—he came out, and I followed him half a mile before I gave him in charge.

The prisoner called

JANE TARE . I am the wife of James Tare, a master rigger, of No. 38, Thomas Street. The prisoner was in my service on 26th March—he was employed merely in running on errands and cleaning boots, he did not reside in the house—he came in the morning, at 7 o'clock sometimes, and staid generally all day till 10 or 11 at night—on 26th March he had been there all day, he left me about half past 8 o'clock to go on an errand—he returned about half past 9 o'clock; he brought back a message, and I saw no more of him—he had been with me five or six months—his character has been honest.

Cross-examined by MR. ELLIS. Q. You say he goes on errands and cleans boots? A. Yes—he does not do that in my presence—on that evening he came back at about half past 9 o'clock, and I saw no more of him—I never heard that he has been in prison, I have trusted him with a great deal of money at various times.

JURY. Q. How far is the prosecutor's from your house? A. Seven or eight minutes' walk.

GUILTY .* Aged 30.— Confined Twelve Months.

OLD COURT.—Wednesday, April 8th, 1857.

PRESENT—The Rt. Hon. the LORD MAYOR.; Mr. Justice ERLE.; Mr. Justice WILLIAMS.; Sir CHAPMAN MARSHALL., Knt., Ald.; Sir JAMES DUKE., Bart, Ald.; Mr. Ald. SIDNEY.; and MICHAEL PRENDERGAST., Esq.

Before Mr. Justice Erle and the Third Jury.

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475. CHARLES JACKSON was indicted for stealing, whilst employed under the Post Office, a post letter, containing 3 10l. notes, 21 5l. notes, an order for 217l., and a receipt for 194l. 5s. 3d.; the property of Her Majesty's Postmaster-General: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 21.— Four Years Penal Servitude.

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476. HENRY BARNSDALE , feloniously being at large before the expiration of his sentence: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 21.— Four Tears Penal Servitude.

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477. THOMAS GREENING , feloniously forging and uttering a receipt for 22 printed books, value 13l. 2s.; with intent to defraud John Miles and others: also, for 2 other like offences: to all which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 25.— Six Years Penal Servitude.

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478. ROBERT GOODACRE , feloniously forging and uttering a cheque for 37l. 10s.; with intent to defraud: also, one other cheque for 34l.: to both which he

PLEADED GUILTY Aged 19.— Judgment respited. .

(The prosecutor stated that the prisoner had been two years in his service; that he had conducted himself properly until recently, when he had got into the hands of betting men; that he was anxious he should be leniently dealt with, and anticipated that he might make communications that would further the ends of justice.)

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479. THOMAS NICHOLLS , stealing, whilst employed in the Post Office, a post letter containing 2 sixpences and 1 3d. piece; the property of Her Majesty's Postmaster-General.

MESSRS. BODKIN. and CLERK. conducted the Prosecution.

HENRY BINGHAM . I am a constable attached to the General Post Office. The prisoner was a letter carrier in that office—I cannot say how long he had been employed there—he was employed on the morning of 12th March, in what is called the Circulation office—that is the office where letters are stamped and then taken to the sorters—he was employed at one of the stamping tables, in stamping letters and taking them away into another room to the sorters—this was about 6 o'clock in the morning—there is a partition between the stamper and the man that takes the letters away; he was at the end of the table; it is a long table; there is a partition between the stamper that he takes from, and the other man that takes from the other stamper—there are different tables, but only one was at this table—in consequence of some instruction that I had received, I was in the office with Mr. Clare, watching the prisoner—he could not see us—I saw him taking the letters from behind the stamper; he gathered up a quantity of letters, and selected a letter which bore two penny stamps—he took it out, and kept it by itself; I saw him take hold of it and feel it before he laid it down, and then he took up that armful of letters, the armful of letters that he had collected up, that he selected this one from, and took them away to the sorting room, leaving the letter with the two stamps standing on the table—he then came back again, collected up another handful of letters, perhaps a dozen, and set them up against the partition, and the letter with the two stamps he set up behind them—he set it up against the partition, and the others in front of it; the letter with the two stamps was then next the partition—he then collected four more separate handfuls, and set them up against the others, and each time he did so, he took the letter with the two stamps that he had put behind, and put it in front of each handful, so as to be nearest to him—he then just turned round to look behind him, and unbuttoned his waistcoat two or three buttons at the bottom, turned round to the table again, placed his arm down with the letters, and at the same time with his light hand took up the letter with the two stamps, and put it under his waistcoat—he then placed his thumb against the letters to press them, and took them away—Mr. Clare was with me all the time this

happened; he went after the prisoner—I went down into the inspector's room, and Mr. Clare came into that room with the prisoner—he told the prisoner that he had been seen to put a letter underneath his waistcoat—he said he had not done so—I then searched him, and told him to take off his coat and waistcoat—he did so; I did not see the letter—I then told him to take off his trowsers; he sat down in a chair and took them off—while he was in the act of taking them off, I saw him fumbling something underneath his shirt—he then finished pulling his trowsers off, and stood up with his hands down by his side, holding his shirt close to him—I immediately took hold of his shirt and shook it, and this letter dropped from underneath it—I said, "There is the letter," and picked it up—the prisoner said, "Oh, it must have got in underneath my waistcoat by accident as I was taking the letters away"—the letter is directed to Miss Boughton—I felt something inside the letter like money—it was opened before the Magistrate, and contained two sixpences and a 3d. piece.

Cross-examined by MR. METCALFE. Q. How far were you from the table where the prisoner was standing? A. About the same distance that I am from you (four or five yards)—I was looking through a sort of window, made of wire—I could put my finger between the wires—I was a little above the prisoner, not directly over him, but nearly so—there were several tables in the room, perhaps seven or eight, and stamping was going on at each table—there was a good deal of business going on—I do not know whether it is usual for the men to unbutton their waistcoats—I have seen them with string round their wristbands to tie up their sleeves, and I believe the prisoner had his so that morning—they do not take their coats off; the prisoner had not his coat off that morning—the prisoner is a letter carrier; I do not know his district—the place I was looking through is three or four yards square.

WILLIS CLARE . I am one of the inspectors of letter carriers at the General Post Office. The prisoner was a letter carrier, and was also employed in the Circulation office as a stamper—his proper duty was to stamp the letters, and nothing else—he went out of course on the morning in question, and gave his stamp to the man that should have been behind him, and for a few minutes he did the duty of the man that should have carried the letters—the man to whom he gave the stamp was the man who should have carried the letters into the other room—I was there with Bingham on the morning of 11th March—I was in such a situation that I could see all that the prisoner did—I had gone there for that purpose; I was at a window—when the stamper stamps the letters, he removes them away behind him, and the man who carries them to the next office packs them up behind him against the partition until he has got a bundle, and then carries them to the sorting table—I saw the prisoner, in taking the letters from behind the stamper, select one bearing two stamps; he felt it, and placed it against the partition on the stamping table—he then selected more letters from behind the stamper, again took up that letter, felt it again, and then placed it at the back of the letters he had collected—he then collected some more, took the letter from the back of the letters, and placed it in front—he then turned round sharply, as if to see if any one was observing him, took the letter in his right hand, unbuttoned his waistcoat, placed the letters on his wrist and arm to carry them away, and slipped letter into his waistcoat—I then went down to the inspector's room, and afterwards went to the prisoner and brought him into the room—as we went along I saw him shuffling his hand about his trowsers and waistcoat—when

we got into the room, I told him that he had been seen to secrete a letter in his waistcoat or the waistband of his trowsers—he said he had not—I told Bingham to search him—the prisoner took off his coat and waistcoat, and then his trowsers—I saw him, as he was taking off his trowsers, pushing and shifting something about, as if he was pushing it up behind his shirt—he was sitting down at that time—when his trowsers were off he was told to stand up—I saw his arms close to his shirt, and I said to him, "Take your arms away"—Bingham took hold of his shirt and shook it, and this letter fell down on the floor; it bears the Aylesbury post mark of 11th March—that would arrive in the Circulation office on 12th March, and would be sent out that morning—I felt the letter, and found that it contained something—it has the Inland post mark on it, which shows that it had arrived at the Post Office that morning.

Cross-examined. Q. I suppose, in the ordinary course of carrying out a bundle of letters, they would press against his person? A. His duty was to put his right hand in front of the bundle of letters, and his left hand behind them—they would come against his person.

CHARLOTTE ANN BOUGHTON . I live at Aylesbury. I made up this letter on 11th March, and a servant gave it to the postman—I put into it two sixpences and a 3d. piece, and enclosed it in an adhesive envelope.

GUILTY . Aged 19.— Four Years Penal Servitude.

Reference Number: t18570406-480

480. SARAH PRICE was indicted for the wilful murder of Robert Crawley Price.

MR. PAYNE. conducted the Prosecution.

BENJAMIN MORRIS . I know the prisoner. I had a brother-in-law named William Crawley, he has been dead four years—I know that the prisoner had a child seven months old—I saw it at the workhouse when it was dead.

Cross-examined by MR. SLEIGH. Q. This poor woman was in the work-house at the time she was apprehended on this charge, was she not? A. No, she had left the workhouse on the Monday, and was at my place when she was given into custody on Friday morning—I did not see her on the Monday—she came to my place on Tuesday morning, about a quarter to 7 o'clock, saying that she was destitute, and she came there for protection, and my wife let her in—I believe she was out of her mind—I thought so from her actions; on one occasion she tore the bottom off her chemise, and burnt it in the fire; I was not present, my child saw it—in consequence of what my wife stated to me on the Thursday, I sent for a surgeon—when I went home, I found the prisoner undressed and in bed, where my children ought to have been, and the children were put in my bed—my wife made such a complaint to me as induced me to send for Mr. Wildbore, the surgeon; he came about 12 o'clock—I was up all that night, in consequence of the prisoner's conduct—I was present when Mr. Wildbore saw her—he directed us to take care of her; he went to the cupboard, and took a knife from it, put it under his coat, and took it into the next room; he then came back, and searched another cupboard, found another knife, and took that away, and told us to watch her—he did not come to see her again at my place—the prisoner's father is in very reduced circumstances—I went to-day to ask Mr. Wildbore to attend at this Court, but he refused to come without a subpœna and his fees—the prisoner has always been an extremely kind and affectionate mother, and most sober and industrious—she has been to Mr. Wildbore's between 11 and 12 o'clock, after he had seen the child in the afternoon, expressing a wish to see him; that the child was dying—she was taken

from my house to St. Pancras workhouse, and placed in the insane ward—the father of the child is not dead, he has deserted her.

MR. PAYNE. Q. In what state of mind was she when she came to your place on the Tuesday morning? A. She seemed to be wandering, she did not seem to know what she was doing—I was examined before the Magistrate—I did not say anything about this then—when she came on Tuesday morning, she asked my mistress to make her a cup of tea—she said she was cold—she said, "My blood has all turned to cold water; I have no blood in me"—my wife made her a cup of tea—she staid all day at my house—I was not at home all day, I was at the shop at work—I found her there when I came home in the evening; she was sitting in a chair, she kept moving about and shaking herself, and you could hardly get a word out of her—she staid at my house on the Tuesday night, and slept in the same bed with me and my wife—on the Wednesday she went to see her father; she went by herself—I did not see her on the Wednesday night, but when I woke up in the morning she was there, lying on the floor groaning—that was about 3 o'clock—she remained there till after breakfast, and then I went to my work—I saw her on the Thursday night when I came home; she was there in my bed—I said to her, "Sarah, what is the matter with you?"—she said, "Nothing"—I said, "Nonsense, there is something the matter with you, or else you would not act like this; you would not be in bed here, where my children ought to be;" and then she told me that she had drowned the child—she said she had strangled it, and thrown it into the water—it was after that she was taken to the workhouse—Mr. Wildbore was called in on the Friday morning—I sat up all Thursday night, watching her.

MR. SLEIGH. Q. During the whole of these different days, did she appear in that wild, distracted state which you have described? A. Yes, she went down on her hands and knees, and knocked her head against the floor—I found a rope in the room, with a noose to it, about the size of a person's neck, with another piece tied on to the middle of it—it was not there before—I do not know who made the noose to it.

RICHARD THOMAS TUBBS . I am assistant overseer of the parish of St. Marylebone. On Friday, 20th March, I was present when the inquest was held on this child at the workhouse—on the next day, from information I received, I went to St. Pancras workhouse, and saw the prisoner; she was in the insane ward, in bed, partly undressed—I asked her what her name was—she said, "Crawley"—I repeated it twice over, and then she said, "No, my name is not Crawley; my name is Price"—she said that Crawley died in Marylebone workhouse about three years ago—that is so—I believe she had lived with Crawley—I asked her what children she had—she said, "I have a boy about seven, who is living with my sister; I had a baby"—I said, "You had better not make any statement to me, as I may have to repeat it, unless you wish to do so"—she then said, "I had a baby, but I threw it over the bridge," or" into the water, on Monday night"—she said, "I made away with it; do you know where it is now?"—I said, "Yes, it is in Marylebone workhouse"—she said, "When was it brought there?"—I said, "It was brought on Tuesday morning, about 9 o'clock"—she said, "I threw it over the bridge on Monday night, about half past 8 o'clock; I intended to throw myself in also, but a policeman saw me, and hallooed to me, and I was frightened, and ran away"—she had half a shawl on—I said, "Is that your shawl?"—she said, "Yes, it is; the other half is what the baby was wrapped in"—on the way to the station she repeated several

times, "I wish I was with my baby, I intended to destroy myself"—she said, "I have no blood in my body, it is all cold water; I can feel it round my loins now, quite cold"—she said that she had done it as the child had been suffering from disease of the kidneys; she thought it had been a very great sufferer, and that she had suffered very much herself—she said Dr. Wildbore had attended the child—she was taken to the station house, and there charged with having killed the child, and she there repeated the same reason to the inspector; that it had been a great sufferer, and that she herself had suffered greatly—I asked her again what her right name was—she said, "My name is Price;" she said the child had never been baptized, but she had had it registered, "Robert Crawley Price."

Cross-examined. Q. This poor creature was, I believe, conveyed to the workhouse, and put in the insane ward by Dr. Wildbore's orders? A. Yes—when I saw her, she was in a miserable, desponding state, so much so that I asked the inspector not to lose sight of her during the night—I was afraid she would lay violent hands upon herself; indeed, she told me going along in the cab that she should do so; that she intended to destroy herself, and was very sorry she had not done so when she killed the child.

GEORGE HENRY MACKRELL . (Police inspector, D). I took the charge at the station house—I have heard the evidence of Mr. Tubbs as to what the prisoner said after the charge was made—he has stated it correctly, that the reason she took the child's life was, that it had suffered so much, and she had suffered so much—she said that it was not a cord that she tied round the child's neck—she did not say what it was—she said she should have thrown herself in with her child if the policeman had not come in sight, and then she ran away.

GEORGE ALDRIDGE . I am a labourer in the Regent's Park. On Tuesday morning, 17th March, I was passing by the York bridge; I saw two lads looking through the fence; I crossed over the road, and saw an old shawl lying through the fence on the grass—I got over the fence, and picked up the shawl; it contained a small child's hood—I put them under the arch of the bridge—I saw a park constable, I told him what I had seen—we dragged the water for twenty minutes, and found the body of a male child—I gave it to Willis, the constable—I went with him to the workhouse, and saw the matron there examine the child—I saw a mark round its neck—we left the child there.

ELIZA PARKER . I am assistant matron at Marylebone workhouse. I saw the child brought there by the park constable and Aldridge—I examined it; it was a male child—on removing the hood there was a tie, like a linen cloth, tied tight round its throat—I put my hand against it, and it was very tight.

WILLIAM BOYD MUSHETT . I am a bachelor of medicine. I examined this child—supposing it had had a ligature tied round its neck, and been thrown into the water, it might present such appearances as I saw, but death from suffocation would not correctly express it—I first saw the child on Tuesday morning, 17th March—it had a ligature tied once tightly round the neck—it was linen of some kind—it was twisted—the cause of death was not very obvious—the appearances of suffocation were not well marked—the only diseased condition I noticed was some collapse of the lungs and more than ordinary vasculation of the intestines, appearances as if the child had had diarrhoea—I think those appearances were not sufficient to cause death, taking the generally nourished appearance of the child into consideration; it appeared to have been properly nourished—the

appearances about the intestines would not indicate any aggravated state of diarrhoea; there was no ulceration, but an inflammatory state—there was a slight amount of fluid blood on the right side of the heart, which was somewhat indicative of suffocation, but not well marked evidence of it—I think, considering the collapsed state of the lungs, and the child probably being in a low condition, judging from its flabby appearance, that the appearances of suffocation would not be so well marked as in a more robust child, or a child whose lungs were not collapsed—the other organs were healthy—the appearances were not opposed to death from suffocation, but I could not give a positive opinion—the effects would be the same in suffocation and strangulation, as far the ventricles of the heart were concerned—the appearances would not justify me in saying that death was from strangulation, though not inconsistent with it—I think I have seen cases of children who have died of cold and exhaustion from exposure—I ought to add that I do not think that death was produced from drowning, which would also cause suffocation—judging from the mark round the neck, which corresponded with the situation of the ligature, I should be rather inclined to think that death was caused as a result of that ligature, but I would not state positively—children dying from exhaustion would probably present a similar appearance of lung—collapse of the lung is a very common appearance after death from any exhausting cause; anything that lowers the vital powers, but to a greater extent than was presented here—the ligature was tied tightly round the neck, so tightly that I was obliged to cut it behind—I do not say that death could not have been produced by the ligature; I think it might, and I incline to the opinion that it was so—I believe it is impossible to distinguish marks made immediately before and immediately after death; after some interval, it is plainly to be distinguished—the marks round the neck of this child were consistent with their having been made while it was alive or very shortly after death.

MR. SLEIGH., for the Defence, called

JOHN ROWLAND GIBSON . I am surgeon of Newgate. In the course of my experience I have devoted my attention to mental diseases—I have had the prisoner under my care from 22nd March, ever since she has been in the prison—I have seen her from day to day with a view to ascertain the state of her mind—I have heard the evidence which has been adduced to-day on the part of the prosecution—I have heard the statement of the witness Morris as regards the prisoner's conduct and behaviour from the Tuesday till the Friday—during the time she has been under my care, she did not seem to be in a sound state of mind, decidedly not—from what I have heard to-day, and from the observations I have made of her, I should say that she was not in a state to understand what she was doing—I am of opinion that at the time this deed was done she was not in a state to be capable of distinguishing right from wrong—I should certainly consider that the absence of concealment of having done the deed was an indication of homicidal mania.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. What kind of conduct has she displayed, from which you infer that she is of unsound mind? A. The condition she has been in since she has been under my observation has been one of great wretchedness and despair, together with many delusions concerning her state; one delusion that she has laboured under has been that something was applied to her back, and it affected her like lime; that it destroyed the whole of her spine, passed through her body upwards, and

fumed out of her mouth, (that was her expression,) that she tasted and smelt lime, and that has been what she has complained of all the way through—another delusion was that her milk was turned into water—I believe she had been suckling her child immediately before this; she had no milk then, nor any signs of any, but she thought her milk was turned into water, and she had a great many confused ideas concerning her state; she told me that there was a large hole in the child's back, into which she could place her fist, which I regarded as an impossibility, and therefore as a delusion—I do not know that I said so to her—I have paid considerable attention to insanity; there was no appearance of anything being put on, her appearance was most striking, I believe any one, even without any experience in this matter, passing through the ward in which she was, with others, would at once have singled her out as being mentally afflicted—my observation of her has continued up to the present time—it is my deliberate opinion, speaking professionally, and having regard to my reputation, that from the day I first saw her to the present time she has not been of sound mind and understanding.

NOT GUILTY., on the ground of insanity.— Ordered to be detained until Her Majesty's pleasure be known.

Before Mr. Justice Williams.

Reference Number: t18570406-481

481. ALEXANDER CLARK was indicted for, and also charged on the Coroner's Inquisition with, feloniously killing and slaying Eliza Bunn.

MR. PHILLIPS. conducted the Prosecution.

MARGARET HOWE . I am the wife of William Howe, a groom, of No. 32, Middle Grove Street, Commercial Road. On 25th Feb. I went with the deceased Eliza Bunn to the prisoner's house, in Commercial Road. I believe he takes likenesses—we were shown up stairs, and saw the prisoner—I asked him for my boy's likeness, which he had taken in the morning—he said that the boy did not sit still, and he did not wish to let me have it, he would like to see the boy again—I said, "You cannot see him again, for he has gone to sea; he went this morning; it is very unkind and ungrateful of you not to let me have the likeness, as the boy has gone away, and I may never see him again"—he said it was not correct, and he would not let me have it—I said, "I have recommended you several customers, and it is very unkind of you;" and I said, "It is the generality of men like you, who take likenesses and keep them if they are good, to hang at the door for show; and if you don't let me have it, and I see it hanging at the door or anywhere else, I will smash it"—upon that the prisoner caught me by the shoulders, and went to push me out of the room—the deceased was standing close to me—she was thirty-six years old—she was a neighbour of mine—the prisoner pushed me towards the door, and Mrs. Bunn went in between us, to prevent his pushing me out of the room, and with that the prisoner fell down—Mrs. Bunn merely said, "Don't push my friend out of the room"—I did not observe whether he had anything in his hand at the time; I was very excited—there was a pan by the side of the fire, with water in it—the prisoner fell by the fire; the room is very small; I do not know whether he fell on the pan; the pan was broken, and the water was all over the room—I ran out of the room on to the landing; I turned round to see whether my friend was coming, and they were both scuffling together—I went into the room again to part them, to get my friend to come away—I then saw that the prisoner had a hammer in his hand, and he struck Mrs. Bunn on the head with it, and it

sounded just like you would sound an empty tub—I said, "Oh my!" when he struck the blow, I was so frightened—she said, "You fetch a policeman, and I will hold him till you come back"—I then went and fetched a policeman, and the prisoner was taken to the station; we charged him there with the assault, and then we went before the Magistrate that same day, and he was fined 20s. or eight days' imprisonment; the deceased and I then went home to my place, and we then went to her own house, which is right opposite my place—I did not think at that time that she was seriously hurt; the blood was flowing all down her face when we went to the station and to the Magistrate—I saw the blood in the room when she was struck—I did not see her again till the next day, Thursday; she was then in bed, and complained of her head—I saw her again on the Friday; she seemed a little worse then—on the Saturday I fetched a medical man to her, and from what he said I went with her to the hospital—I went to the hospital on the Monday, and found that she was dead.

COURT. Q. Before the prisoner fell, did you observe whether the deceased pushed him? A. I could not say whether she pushed him, or how it happened; she might have pushed him away from me without my seeing it—I do not know whether she did or not.

Prisoner. Q. I believe you told Mr. Yardley that the blow was not struck at the deceased, but at you? A. I said it might have been meant for me; I was so agitated at the time that I really could not put my statement properly, I was in such a way about my boy going away; I meant that you might have struck at me instead of Mrs. Bunn—I had not been drinking that morning, I had had 2d. worth of brandy to drink my boy's health with, and that was all—the deceased had had two glasses of gin.

COURT. Q. How long was that before you went into the prisoner's room? A. It was at 1 o'clock that we had the drink, over the water—it must have been after 2 o'clock when this took place—the prisoner takes likenesses by photography—he returned me the deposit money when I went into the room, and said it was not a good likeness, and I should not have it—I did not hear him tell the deceased to leave the room, he told me—he might have said it to both—I was examined before Mr. Yardley—I may have said then that he told me and the deceased to leave the room, he must have meant it for both—I did go out of the room, I was going out at the time the deceased went in between, and he fell down—I came back directly, when I saw them scuffling, to get the deceased to come with me home; that was my only reason for going back—I was very much frightened when he fell down.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Were you perfectly sober? A. Yes, and so was my friend.

GEORGE BALL . (Policeman, H 21). On 25th Feb., about 2 o'clock, or half past, in the afternoon, I was called to a house in Langley Place—I went upstairs to a back room on the first floor, and there saw the prisoner, the deceased, Mrs. Howe, and another female, named Willis—I saw blood coming from the fore part of the deceased's head, apparently from a blow, it was running down her face; she had hold of the prisoner by his neck tie, with her hand twisted so as to bring it tightly round his neck—she gave the prisoner into my custody, and said that he had struck her on the head with a hammer—the prisoner replied, "See how I have been served; I did strike her, but I was excited into it," at the same time pointing to a small scratch near his eye, and to his shirt, which was slightly torn at the bosom—he also said, "They then threw me into a pan of water," and he turned his coat tails on one side, and showed me his trowsers—he said, "They threw me down,

and I fell with my behind into a pan of water;" the pan then lay in the room broken into four or five pieces, and the water was spilt about the room—I then said, "What is this all about?"—Mrs. Howe then stated in the prisoner's presence what she has stated here, about her son's likeness—that the prisoner refused to give it up, and tried to put them out of the room; that they refused to go without the likeness, a scuffle ensued between them, and he struck the deceased on the head with the hammer—I said, "Where is the hammer?"—this hammer (produced) was then brought to me by Willis—I then took the prisoner to the station, and to the Magistrate—on 2nd March I heard of the deceased's death, and took the prisoner again into custody—I said, "Mr. Clark, I must apprehend you in consequence of the woman, Bunn, being dead in the London Hospital"—he said, "Is she dead, I am very sorry for it"—he seemed much agitated.

Prisoner. Q. Do you recollect what kind of weather prevailed on the morning of the 25th? A. As far as I recollect it was a dull morning, rather inclined to rain—I know that you walk lame, and are said to be paralyzed on one side—you walked lame in going to the station, and I had a cab to take you to the police court.

COURT. Q. Did he seem weaker than an ordinary man? A. He did—he did not appear to have that use of his left side that a person usually has—he said that he was using the hammer at the time, knocking in some small tacks to hang his pictures on—Mrs. Howe said that he took it off the chimney piece—when I first went into the room, great excitement prevailed amongst all the parties—the prisoner was trembling; he appeared to have scarcely strength enough to stand, the deceased hanging on to him in the manner in which she was, having tight hold of his neck tie; she was in a state of great excitement, and so was Mrs. Howe—I had my doubts about their being sober.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Why do you say so? A. From their excited state and manner; I will not swear that the excitement was produced by drink—they smelt of drink—the prisoner was perfectly sober.

JOHN CAWOOD WORDSWORTH . I am assistant surgeon at the London Hospital. On the afternoon of 28th Feb., I saw the deceased, Eliza Bunn, at the hospital, she was not sensible—she had a wound on the right side of the forehead—she continued insensible till she died, on Monday, 2nd March—I examined her skull next day—I found a very small punctured fracture, evidently made by some small pointed instrument; it had perforated the outer part of the skull, and the inner part, being of a more brittle nature, it had split and fractured two pieces off—in my opinion that Was the cause of death—this hammer would be precisely the instrument to cause such an injury, the sharp point of it—I tried the hammer, and found it fit exactly with the external fracture of the skull—I consider it would have required a hard blow to cause the injury—I should say it must have been a smart blow, not a blow of extreme violence; it would cause blood to flow immediately.

Prisoner. Q. Do you consider that the prevalence of intemperate habits would have hastened death? A. I consider that the fact of her having taken spirits afterwards would be very prejudicial—I believe it was stated at the police court, that she did take spirits afterwards.

MARGARET HOWE . re-examined. The deceased went home with me to tea; she had nothing to drink, to my knowledge, between the time of this occurrence and her death.

GEORGE BALL . re-examined. I do not know of her having had anything to drink after this happened.

JOHN CAWOOD WORDSWORTH . re-examined. If she was a spirit drinker it would be very prejudicial; I do not mean long previously, but immediately before; if she had drunk two small glasses of gin within an hour, I consider it would complicate her case, prejudice it; I mean it would be more likely to lead to the inflammation that was sure to result from such an injury—she remained in an epileptic fit from the time I saw her till her death—I do not consider the symptoms at all indicative of delirium tremens—I think the epileptic fits were a consequence of the blow.

AMBROSE HAUNTON . I am employed by the prisoner, in his shop. In consequence of what Ellen Willis said to me on the day in question, I went up stairs to the prisoner's room—I there saw the prisoner, the deceased, and Mrs. Howe; the deceased had the prisoner by his neck handkerchief, and Mrs. Howe had him by the hair of his head—they all three had hold of the hammer at the same time, and were struggling together—I thought, perhaps, that there might be some more blows struck if I let either party get it, and I got Mrs. Howe from them out on to the landing—I then went back again into the room and took the hammer from the prisoner and the deceased; they both had hold of it, they were not struggling then, they merely had hold of it—I gave it to Mrs. Willis, and went down stairs to take in the pictures; Mrs. Willis gave it to the policeman—when I went into the room Mrs. Howe said that the prisoner had struck her with the hammer—I saw blood flowing from the deceased's head when I first went in, they were then struggling together.

Prisoner. Q. Did you see me fighting or striking either of the women, or using any violence? A. I thought you seemed glad to see some one come to your assistance—I believe you are entirely paralysed on one side—I know you are in the leg; I do not know whether you are in the arm.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Have you seen him at work? A. Yes; he uses his arm as any other man would do; I never saw any difference—he is not able to carry up his pictures from the door, I always heard him say he could not do it; and if there has been anything of any weight to carry, I have carried it.

ELLEN WILLIS . I am a widow. I was employed by the prisoner on 25th Feb.—I remember Mrs. Howe and the deceased coming up into the prisoner's room; at the time they came in Mr. Clark was driving some tacks in the wall to hang specimens upon—Mrs. Howe said she had come for her son's likeness, which was taken there in the morning—Mr. Clark said, on account of the weather being dull, and the boy not sitting still, the likeness would not come out, but if he could see the boy again he would take it afresh—Mrs. Howe said he could not see the boy again, as he had gone to sea—Mr. Clark said, then he would return her the sixpence which the boy had left as a deposit, and he was very sorry, but as the likeness would not come out, he could not let her have it—she said she knew it was a customary thing for artists, when they had got a good likeness, to keep it to hang outside the door as a specimen; that she would not go till she had got it, and if he did not give it to her she would smash everything there was in the room, and likewise the specimens hanging at the door—he said he could not give it to her as he had not got a likeness, and if she did not go out of the house he would have her taken out by a policeman; and he opened the room door—upon that the deceased ran and struck him in the face, saying, "Take that; now you will give me the boy's likeness, for we will not go out without it"—he said he could not give it to her, and the deceased and Mrs. Howe both struck him repeatedly—he shoved them both out of the room—the

deceased ran back into the room, took him round the waist, and threw him into a large pan of water, and broke the pan—he got up and told them to go out—they said they would not go out, and struck him again; he then seized the hammer and struck the deceased with it; he had it in his hand all the time—the deceased and Mrs. Howe then caught hold of him, the deceased by the neck handkerchief, and Mrs. Howe by the hair of his head—I went down stairs and fetched the door's man (Haunton) up, and he took the hammer from them, and Mrs. Howe went to look for a policeman—I saw the deceased's head bleeding, and heard the prisoner say he had struck her with the hammer, and he was sorry.

Prisoner. Q. Did you hear any violent language, or any passionate expression or action from me towards these women? A. No, I did not see you strike any other blow but the one with the hammer—I should think you were struck by the women half a dozen times before you used the hammer—the deceased likewise scratched you on the left eye before you used the hammer—I believe you are paralyzed on one side; you have no strength in one arm.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Which arm is that? A. The left I believe—he had the hammer in his right hand.

Prisoner's Defence. I have admitted from the first that I used the hammer, but I used it in self-defence, being in mortal fear of my life, struck down as I was by two able bodied women standing on my own hearth; it would have been of no use for me to attempt to obtain the protection of the police, because, before the police could have arrived, I should have been in the same position as the unfortunate woman whose death I lament; it was in defence of my own life and property that I struck the blow, and the moment it was struck I regretted it; I had no idea that anything like death would have resulted from it, it was not a blow calculated to produce death; it was done without premeditation, without any other impulse but that which has been considered the first law of nature, self-preservation; if you can convict me of manslaughter on this charge, I do not believe there is a gentleman among you who will be safe in his shop or warehouse from the attacks of persons who excite their passions in gin shops, and then come to your premises; I had no intention of injuring the woman, still less of depriving her of life; I only wished to defend my own life.

(The prisoner received a good character.)


NEW COURT.—Wednesday, April 8th, 1857.

PRESENT—Sir JAMES DUKE., Bart., Ald.; Mr. RECORDER.; and Mr. Ald. ROSE.

Before Mr. Recorder and the Fifth Jury.

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482. THOMAS FOSTER BARTON , embezzling 20l., 3l., and 10l.; the moneys of John Ingram Travers and others, his masters: to which he


and received a good character. Aged 29.— Confined Two Years.

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483. HENRY BEAM ISH , stealing 1 coat, value 30s.; 1 order for payment of 3l.; the halves of 2 10l. bank notes, value 20l.; and 1 order for payment of 2l. 9s.; the property of George Coster, his master:

also , feloniouslyforging and uttering an order for payment of 2l. 9s.; also, a receipt for payment of 3l. 9s.; also, stealing 1 umbrella, value 6s.; the goods of Hermann Smith: to all which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Eighteen Months.

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484. EDWARD JACKSON , feloniously receiving 54 lbs. weight of butter and 1 firkin; the goods of George William Glenister.

MESSRS. SLEIGH. and THOMPSON. conducted the Prosecution.

GEORGE WILLIAM GLENISTER . I carry on business at No. 1, Spring Garden Place, Stepney; I keep a butter shop. On Monday, 16th Feb., in the afternoon, I had a firkin of butter in my establishment—I saw it last in my shop about 3 o'clock—I missed it next morning, and in consequence of information I went with Copping to the prisoner's shop—it is an oil shop, in Leonard Street, Curtain Road—I went in first by myself, leaving the officer outside—I saw the prisoner, and said to him, "I understand you bought a firkin of butter last evening which was stolen from my shop"—he said, "No, I have bought no butter"—I said, "It is no use your denying it; I have a man outside who saw it stolen from my shop, and watched it till it was brought to yours"—he said again that he had bought no butter—a constable came in uniform, and asked the prisoner if he had not bought any butter—the prisoner denied it again—the constable told him that we had proof of it, and had a person outside that saw it stolen—the prisoner then said that he had had some butter brought there the previous evening, but he did not buy it; he had lent some money on it—we went into the parlour behind the shop, and the prisoner said to me, "I suppose you have no vindictive feeling towards me"—I said, "No"—he asked if I knew the value of the firkin of butter—I said it cost me about 3l.—he said, "If you will make out your bill, I will pay you for it; I am a respectable man, and have been in business a number of years; I would rather do that than have any bother about it"—I repudiated anything of that—the butter is here.

Cross-examined by MR. COOPER. Q. How far is the prisoner's shop from yours? A. About three miles—no one had told me on the previous night that I had lost some butter—I heard the next morning that some one saw it taken from my shop—my assistant was the first person who told me of it—he is not here—I had never heard of the prisoner before—I was present at his last trial at the Middlesex Sessions—the Jury was locked up all night till the following morning, and let off in consequence of the illness of one man—this was a perfect firkin, and had a head on.

HENRY JOHN SEARLE . I live in Ann Street, Globe Road. On 16th Feb. I was near the prosecutor's shop, between 6 and 7 o'clock in the evening—I saw four men together, and one of them went and took up a cask of butter from the prosecutor's shop, and put into a bag, and then upon a barrow, and took it to the Curtain Road to the prisoner's shop—I followed them—they did not stop before they got to Mr. Jackson's shop—when they got there, they took it off the barrow into the shop—two of them went into the prisoner's shop; one of them came out again—the bag containing the butter was taken in—I saw them all leave the shop—they only took the barrow away—I believe the bag was left there with the butter—I followed them for a short distance, on my road home—I was in custody three weeks ago; it was a mistake on the constable's part—the Magistrate said that I was honourably discharged—there was no evidence against me.

Cross-examined. Q. What was that for? A. I was found in a marine

store shop—I was charged with having some lead—I had not it—I never was in custody before that—I have never been in Maidstone gaol for stealing a coat out of a chaise—I was twenty or thirty yards off when I saw one man enter the prosecutor's shop; when he went in, the other three men were ten or twelve yards off—I did not notice any one in the shop at the time—I never went to stop the thief—I followed them to see where they took it—I did not tell any one—I never saw any policeman—I followed them between two or three miles, I suppose—the men carried it the length of the street—the barrow stood at the end of the street—two of the men walked on one side of the barrow, and one on the other—in going along I dare say I passed a great many men—I did not pass a policeman—I passed a quarter of a mile from the nearest police station; I did not send any due to the station—I did not see any lads—when the men reached the barrow, one of them wheeled it, and two walked on one side and one on the other—I followed behind them thirty or forty yards—I had suspicion that the butter was stolen—I saw it taken out of the shop—Leonard Street is in Shoreditch—in all that way I did not pass one policeman—two men took it into the prisoner's shop, the other two stood close against a public house—the barrow was standing against the door—no one came out of the public house while the barrow was there—it was round a corner from the prisoner's house—the two men stayed about ten minutes in the prisoner's house; after they came out they joined the other two—I heard one say that they got only 1l. 3s. 4d. for the butter, and that he was a bad fence, and he should not have any more—it was 1l. 3s., or 1l. 3s. 4d., or something like that—I was two or three yards from them at that time—I went to the prosecutor's the next morning—I asked if he had lost any butter—I asked the man first, and then I asked the master—I saw it picked up, and taken away; I know it was stolen—I thought I had better go to the prosecutor's, which I did the next morning, between 7 and 8 o'clock—I did not go to the prisoner, and tell him not to buy it, that they were thieves—I did not like to go in, that is why I loitered outside—I thought I would go back and tell the prosecutor—one of the four men had a jacket and a hat; I cannot remember the dress of the others—I heard that the prisoner gave evidence against a cousin of mine, but I knew it was false—I have not said that as he gave evidence against my cousin, I would do for him the first time I could—I am a blacksmith in the London Docks—the hands were not searched every night where I worked—I last worked there about seven weeks ago—since then Mr. Yardley was kind enough to give me 10s., and I have borrowed a few shillings of my brother—I was a witness in another case at Clerkenwell five or six. years ago—the prisoner was acquitted on that occasion, I was too late.

MR. THOMPSON. Q. When was it told to you that the prisoner gave evidence against your cousin? A. Since this case arose—I knew it was untrue—Mr. Yardley gave me the 10s. since this case arose.

WILLIAM COPPING . (Policeman, K 379). I went with Searle to the prisoner's shop on the morning of 17th Feb., between 9 and 10 o'clock—the prosecutor was with me, he went in first—I went in and saw the prisoner, and the first word I said to him was, "Did you have any butter last night?"—he said, "No"—I then asked him again, and he said, "No"—I said, "Did you buy any butter last night?"—he said, "No"—he then said, "I lent some money on some butter last night"—I then went out of the shop, three doors off, to No. 8, Charles Street, and there I found on the counter some butter and the top of a cask—what led me to go there was, I

saw Ivory go out of the prisoner's shop very quickly—I was then in the back parlour with the prisoner—I saw Ivory return very quickly—I could not see whether she had anything with her when she went out; she went out quickly; she possibly might have something—this is the part of the cask that I found, and here is 35 lbs. of butter—it was all rolled up in paper—I took the butter, and brought it back to where the prisoner was—he said, "You did not find that butter in my shop"—I said, "No, I found it round the corner"—it was in a milk shop—Ivory had come back before I went out of the shop—I do not think Ivory said anything in the prisoner's presence.

Cross-examined. Q. Was this top of the cask or firkin on the butter? A. It was at the bottom of it.

GEORGE WILLIAM GLENISTER . re-examined. I identify this head of the firkin by this "G" marked on it—it has been attempted to be obliterated, but I can distinguish it—the butter I lost weighed 54 lbs.—here is 35 lbs. here.

ELIZABETH IVORY . On 17th Feb. I was in the prisoner's service—I remember the policemen coming on that morning—while they were in the room I left the shop, and took the butter to a house round the corner—I cannot say whether this is the butter—I did not take it by any one's direction—I took it from the end of the counter—I had never done so before.

Cross-examined. Q. Did no one tell you to take it out? A. No; I was frightened, and took it out—I was the only servant there—I did not burn anything like a butter tub that morning—it was a bundle of wood that was sold in the shop—I never saw any wood of a firkin there—I did not burn, or destroy, or see any bag—when I took away this butter, I believe my master was in the parlour; my mistress was up stairs—it was entirely of my own head that I took the butter away—I had not seen any person take any butter from there that day—when I saw this first on the end of the counter, any one coming in could see it if they came to the end of the counter—I had lived with the prisoner there for eighteen months—he has eight children—I had never seen any butter brought in the shop before—I had not heard my master speak about butter at all—it appeared just the same when I took it as it did before—it had nothing but paper round it.

MR. THOMPSON. Q. When did you first see it in the shop? A. A little before the policeman came, as I was cleaning the parlour—I left the prisoner the same day that he went to prison—I have been living with my father since.

EMILY BROWN . I live at No. 8, Charles Street, Leonard Street. The butter was brought by Ivory to our shop.

COURT. to WILLIAM COPPING. Q. When you went in did you see the butter? A. No; I looked all round and behind—there was no butter on the counter when we went in, I am sure—the first thing I said to the prisoner when I went in was, "Did you have any butter?"—I afterwards said, "Did you buy any?"—I believe I used the word "have" first—I used the word once, but whether first or second I cannot say.


Reference Number: t18570406-485

485. WILLIAM LANE , feloniously marrying Emma Ann Farley, his wife being alive: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 24.— Confined Two Years.

First Jury.

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486. CHARLES MORTON and JOHN FARTHING ., burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house of John Morris, and stealing 60l. in money; the moneys of Charles Backman.

MR. METCALFE. conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES WILLIAM MASON . I am cashier at Messrs. Coutts's bank. On 14th Jan. I paid ten 5l. Bank notes, Nos. 95340 to 95349 in change for this cheque.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLET. Q. Did yon pay them? A. I did—I think I could say I paid the money to the prosecutor—I have his name—I paid it to his cheque—I believe I paid it to him—this is the cheque.

CHARLES BACKMAN . I live at No. 14, Ranelagh Grove, Pimlico. I ocupy the two parlours—on 14th Jan. I received at Coutts's bank these notes—this is the cheque, it has my writing on the back of it—I took the notes home, and placed them with some more in a pocket book—on 3rd Feb. I went out to a public house in the Haymarket, between 8 and 9 o'clock, in search of a man named Stewart—I saw the prisoners at the bar; I knew them before—I asked them about Mr. Stewart; they said that he was not there, he was at the ball at the Harlequin—I agreed to go with them to the ball, but I had no money with me; I got into a cab with them, and went to my house—the cab was left at the door, and we three went into the parlour—I carry two keys, locking the outer door and the parlour door—I opened the street door with this key, and the parlour door with this one—we all got out of the cab and went into the parlour—I opened the folding doors of the back parlour, and took my pocket book, and took out one 5l. note; there were twelve 5l. notes left in it, and nine of them were those I had received at Coutts's—I placed my pocket book between the chairs against the wall, and I heard it fall on the floor—the prisoners could see what I was doing—the room is very small—I closed the folding doors after me, and came out, and joined the prisoners; we all went into the street; I looked my doors after me, and put the keys into the right hand tail pocket of my coat—I found the keys afterwards in my left hand pocket—we then went across the road to the Union public house, and had some bread and cheese and ale—I paid for it out of the 5l. note—we stood at the bar while we were eating and drinking—the prisoners were close to me—Morton went out during the time—he might be away three or four minutes, or more—I did not look after him—Farthing stood there talking to me, and eating the bread and cheese, and drinking the ale—Farthing went to the door—when Morton came back, he went out—Farthing went out once or twice—after they returned, we all got in the cab, and went to the ball—we all three went in together; I missed them in about an hour or an hour and a half—I never saw them again till they were in custody—on my return home, I found the doors locked, everything right as I left it, but the notes were gone—I found my keys in my left hand pocket, which is quite a different place to where I put them—Mr. John Morris is the landlord of the house I live in—that is nearly opposite to the Union public house—you may cross to it in about a minute; I got to the ball about 11 o'clock.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLET. Q. At what time did you go to this public house in the Haymarket? A. Between 8 and 9 o'clock in the evening—I had not been to any other public house previously in the course of that evening—I went into two public houses—I had gin and half and half at the first—I cannot say how much gin I had—at the second I had ale and bread and cheese—I was not all the worse for liquor—I do not know that I was the better, but I was not at all tipsy—it is a very short

distance from my lodging to the Union—I could go in one minute—I did not show my keys to the prisoners—they saw me open the doors with the keys—they did not go into the back room in my presence—I put my pocket book behind the chair, and I heard it fail on the ground, and they heard it fall—I did not pick it up—I said, "It is safe there "—I got to the ball by 1 o'clock—I was never there before—there were all sorts there—I left early in the morning, it might be 4 o'clock—I left alone, a young man did not go home with me—I do not know whether I danced with a lad or not—I know Brydges Street, Covent Garden; I do not know a coffee house kept by Rowe—I did not go to that coffee house that night, and sleep with a boy—I do not know Mr. Rowe; I slept in the Strand—I did not go back to ray lodging that morning, I slept in the Strand—I do not recollect that on coming down stairs I complained to the landlord that I had lost some of my money—I cannot swear that I did not.

Cross-examined by MR. COOPER. Q. When you were at the Union, did you give the cab driver something to drink? A. Yes—I might have said to Farthing, "Come, don't let us forget the cowman, give him something to drink;" I do not deny it—when I went out, I found the cabman waiting—I did not see Farthing at the Hand and Hog the next night—I was not there the next night—I have not seen him there since.

Q. Look at this young woman, did you not complain to her the next morning after you had been in bed, that the young man or boy had robbed you? A. I cannot say—on the next night I took two other men home with me from the Union public house—I did not know those two men before—I might be a little the worse for drink, and they took me home to show me the door—that was the sole reason that I took two strange men home with me—I could not stand—I have bad a concussion on the brain; and if I have a little drink, it makes me feel giddy—they took me there, and the bell was rung—I had not been home before that—it was too late when I came from the ball—I got up in the morning about 7 o'clock—I went home a bit, but I did not look after my money—I kept at home perhaps an hour—I washed myself, and went out—I went into the park, and sat down to a little air—I did not speak to any gentleman there—I cannot say how long I sat—I then went walking about—I cannot say where I went—I found myself in the Union—I cannot say what time I reached it—I went there alone, and remained there some time.

MR. METCALFE. Q. Did you at all authorise either of the prisoners to go to your house while you were at the Union? A. No.

COURT. Q. When was it you found your pocket book was gone? A. On Thursday morning.

ANNIE CHURCHMAN . I live with my father at No. 14, Banelagh Grow, occupying the first floor. On 3rd Feb. the prosecutor came home about half past 11 o'clock with two men—I saw them leave afterwards, altogether—they went up the street in the direction of the public house called the Union—in about two minutes after they had gone in that direction, I saw from the window one man come back—I think from his appearance it was Morton—he unlocked the street door and parlour door, and went into the room; he lit a match, and remained there two or three minutes; he then left, locked both the doors after him, and turned in a contrary direction—we go out at the same door—I did not see him again after he left the second time—I was sitting in the room, reading with my father, and, hearing the prosecutor come home in the cab, I got up to see.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLEY. Q. Were you in the first floor room?

A. Yes—I had never seen either of these men before—I did not notice anything about their height—when they came with the prosecutor, it was about half past 11 o'clock at night, or nearer 12—I was not the person who opened the door on the evening when the prosecutor came, and wanted to introduce two strange men—I should not like to swear that Morton was the man whom I saw come back—it was not more than throe minutes after the prosecutor and the two men left that the man came back—it was not more than 100 yards from our residence to the Union.

COURT. Q. You would not swear that it was Morton came back, but in you able to say it was one of the two men that came with the prosecutor? A. It was a man about the same size, and he had a loose coat on—one to the men who came with the prosecutor had a loose coat.

GEORGE DALE . I was on duty that night near the Union public house I saw the prosecutor come home with the two prisoners, and I saw them go away with the prosecutor into the Union public house—when they had been in the Union ten minutes or a quarter of an hour, I saw Morton leave the public house, and go back to No. 14, Ranelagh Grove—he let himself in—I saw him put his hand to the door—he went in, and was there about five minutes; he came out, and returned to the Union—in crossing the road, Farthing came to the door of the Union, and Morton said to Farthing, "He is gone"—I had seen another person about the neighbourhood that evening—I cannot tell who that "he" referred to—during the time that this was going on, I saw Farthing coming to the door—Morton came first out of the door, and spoke to the cab man and Farthing met him at the door on his return from the cowman, and they went into the house again—that was before Morton came out and went back to the house; and just as Morton was returning, Farthing came to the door again.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLET. Q. You were a policeman then; how is it you are not now? A. I was dismissed—I was reported for being in liquor—I believe there was one examination of the prisoners before I appeared—I was examined about a fortnight after the day that I say I saw Morton and Farthing—I did Hot give information till the night before I was examined; that would be fourteen days after—the Union public house is not particularly small; the bar is not small—the cab man was at the door all the time—it was on my beat—I took the number of the cab, and I remember the circumstance—it is about eighty or ninety yards from the Union to No. 14, Banelagh Grove—I never saw Morton before, to my knowledge—this was about 11 o'clock in the evening, it might be a few minutes past—Banelagh Grove is rather ill lighted—I was on the opposite side when Morton entered the house—H is not a wide street—there is a lamp three or four doors from No. 14; I think at No. 10 or No. 11, on the same side.

JOHN ROBERTS . I am a cab man. I drove the prosecutor and these two men to Banelagh Grove—I remained with my cab when they went into the house—after remaining in the house they went to the Union public house—they remained there three quarters of an hour—I saw both the prisoners there—I saw one of them outside, but I am not quite positive which; I think it was the taller of the two, Morton—he went down the street towards the Grove; that would lead him to the house they had been at, it is in the same street—he went in that direction, on that side of the way—I did not notice his coming back; besides that, I did not notice whether

either of the men came to the public house door—the prosecutor did not appear particularly under the influence of liquor.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLEY. Q. Was not he a little so? A. I cannot Bay that he was the worse for liquor.

Cross-examined by MR. COOPER. Q. Had you something to drink? A. Yes, I went into the house and had it in the bar—I saw Farthing there—I drank with one of them—when you go into the house, you come on to the bar directly—it is a corner house—I had my drink, and went back to my horse—I went to the Harlequin with all three of them.

RICHARD ADYE BAILEY . I am a clerk in the Bank of England. I produce nine 5l. notes, dated 13th Nov., 1856, Nos. 95340 to 95349, except 95345; these are the only notes issued of that number and date—they were paid into the Bank on different days, from 5th Feb. till the 19th—on numbers 95342, '46, and '48, I find the name of Gibson.

ELIZABETH COFFEE . The prisoner Morton lodged in my house, in the name of Gibson—I have seen him and Farthing go out together on several occasions.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLEY. Q. How long ago is that? A. The room was taken on 23rd Jan.; he lodged there till about a week before he was taken.

JOHN POOLE . I live at No. 76, Waterloo Road Morton lodged in my house up to 16th Jan., in the name of Gibson—I have never seen Farthing.

JAMES COLLINS . I am in the service of a boot and shoe maker, at No. 343, Strand. I saw Morton buy a pair of boots on 4th Feb., about 9 o'clock in the morning; they came to 40s.—he paid me this 5l. note for them, No. 95340—here is a name and address on it written by our foreman, Mr. Williams—I got change for it—I am quite sure Morton is the person who gave me the note.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLEY. Q. Are all the notes you receive marked by the foreman? A. They are, and in the same way, generally speaking—if there is not change in the house, I am sent to get change—I am able to gay it was on 4th Feb., because we kept our books on that day; but we keep our books every day, Sundays excepted.

MR. METCALFE. Q. Was any thing written besides that which now appears on the note? A. The address we took the note by, was Waterloo Road—he told our foreman to put that on it—I cannot see that on it now, it is taken out.

MR. LILLEY. Q. Was that done by the direction of the foreman? A. I took the note; Morton told me the direction, and I gave it to the foreman—Morton was standing at our counter; he was within hearing when I told the foreman to write.

COURT. Q. On this note here is now a "7," and "terloo Road"; do you remember what address Morton gave? A. I remember it was Waterloo Road.

MR. LILLEY. Q. How do you happen to know it was on 4th Feb.? A. Because that was the first customer I had that day—we do not very generally have customers till between 10 and 12 o'clock, and it is an unusual thing to have a 5l. note changed the first thing in the morning—it is unusual that we should change any of them—I never mentioned that Morton was the man who came till I told the constable; I do not know how long that was afterwards—when Morton told me the address, I told Mr. Williams—I cannot swear that these boots (produced) are our's—I believe they are the boots that I sold to Morton—our's is a ready made shop; our boots are made in different parts, in town and country.

HENRY FELLS . (Policeman, A 279). I took these boots off Morton's feet, while he was under remand. FARTHING— NOT GUILTY .

MORTON— GUILTY .—He was also charged with having been before convicted.

JOHN BAKER . (City policeman, 255). I produce a certificate. (Read; "Central Criminal Court, Nov. 1846; John Anderson, Convicted of stealing a breast pin; Transported for fifteen years")—Morton is the man—I took him into custody.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLEY. Q. Were you at his trial? A. Yes—I have not seen him since 1846, till 4th March—I think he stated his age was about twenty-two or twenty-three—I will swear positively he was the man who was then convicted—I believe Farthing is the man who was convicted with him by the name of Edward Sullivan.

GEORGE EDIS EVANS . I was turnkey of Giltspur Street Compter in 1846. The prisoner Morton was brought in by the last witness, charged with the robbery of a pin from a person—he was brought in female attire—I stripped him, and put him into another suit of clothes—I was present at his trial; he was ordered to be transported for fifteen years—he was tried in the name of Anderson, and another person was tried with him in the name of Sullivan, who I have no doubt was Farthing.

GEORGE HAM . (City policeman, 100). I was present at the prisoner's trial—he was sentenced to fifteen years' transportation.

GUILTY. Aged 29.— Four Years Penal Servitude.

Reference Number: t18570406-487

487. GEORGE JOHNSON and WILLIAM JONES , burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house of John Lawrence, and stealing therein 7 knives, 8 forks, and 1 box, value 7s., and 5s. 7d. in money; his property.

MR. RIBTON. conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES EDWARDS . (Police sergeant, G 29). At a quarter before 3 o'clock on Sunday morning, 8th March, I was on duty in Goswell Road, and saw a light in No. 61—I got another officer, and left him at the back of the house, and as I came round to the front I saw Johnson coming out of the passage, into which the private door opens—he ran against me, overpowered me, and ran away—I followed him, and with the assistance of a cabman I brought him back, and I found the other officer had Jones in custody—they were both taken to the station—4s. 11d. was found on Johnson.

Cross-examined by MR. LAWRENCE. Q. Did you lose sight of him? A. No, he ran three or four strides and was taken.

JAMES HEWSON . (Police sergeant, G 5). I was with Edwards—I went to the back of No. 61, and got over the wall; Jones came out of the back door of the house—he said, "All right, governor; I have not got anything"—I took him into custody, and while I was searching him, Edwards returned with Johnson—I found on Johnson 4s. 11d., a quantity of lucifer matches, a wax taper, and a common latch key—the prisoners had got over the wall and opened the back parlour window—I found in the parlour this box, and seven knifes and eight forks had been removed from it, and were lying on the floor—I found this screw driver on the table in the back parlour—while at the station Johnson said, "All these coppers don't belong to the baker; five of them belong to me."

Cross-examined. Q. Is there a low wall? A. Yes, in the rear of the premises, in Brewer Street North—it is a corner house—the front of the house stands in Goswell Street.

JOHN LAWRENCE . I live at No. 61, Goswell Road. On Saturday night,

7th March, I locked the place up and fastened the back parlour window—this box was in the cupboard—I was disturbed in the night; I came down, and found the door and window open, and this box removed.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you lost anything? A. Only 5s. worth of coppers and two 4d. pieces—they had all been safe on the table.


JONES— GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Nine Months.

Johnson was also charged with having been twice before convicted: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY.— Six Years Penal Servitude.

THIRD COURT.—Wednesday, April 8th, 1857.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Seventh Jury.

Reference Number: t18570406-488

488. ELIZABETH MAYEW , unlawfully uttering counterfeit Coin.

MR. ELLIS. conducted the Prosecution.

ALFRED MOORE . I am a tobacconist, of Church Street, Paddington. On Saturday, 14th March, about half past 11 o'clock, the prisoner came for half an ounce of tobacco, which came to 1 1/2 d.; she gave me 6d., and as soon as she left I discovered that it was bad—I put it into a drawer, and kept it separate till I gave it afterwards to a policeman—on the Thursday following the prisoner came again and asked the price of a snuff box, bat nothing passed—on the Saturday she came again for half an ounce of tobacco, and offered me a bad sixpence; I caught hold of her across the counter, and charged her with passing bad money; she said that she had never been in the shop before—I went for a policeman, who tried to take some money from her mouth, and a four-pence dropped on the floor; my wife picked it up, and gave it to me; it was bad, and I gave it to the policeman immediately—I knew the prisoner by sight before she came the first time.

Prisoner. I was not in your shop on the 14th; I went to Whitecross Street prison, to take some clean clothes to my husband, who is unfortunately there, and did not return till after the public houses were shut up; why did not you give me in charge, you saw me frequently passing the house?

Witness. There was a customer in the shop at the time she asked the price of the snuff box, and she did not tender me any money; I wanted her to tender me more bad money, as I had only had one before.

THOMAS EVANS . (Policeman, D 270). I was called, and saw something in the prisoner's mouth; I seized her throat till she dropped two good shillings, a 4d. piece, and a halfpenny; the 4d. piece fell on the floor, and the rest into her hand—Mrs. Moore picked up the 4d. piece, and gave it to Mr. Moore, who gave it to me, and said that she had uttered a counterfeit sixpence on the 14th—she said that she never had any bad money, but she had to pledge an article for 3s., and that was part of the money—I received these two sixpences (produced) from Moore.

MART HAMPTON . I am the wife of Samuel Hampton, and search females at the station. The prisoner was handed over to me to search on 21st March—she asked to go to the water closet, and I allowed her to do so, because she said that she was in great pain—I did not go there till Monday morning at 10 o'clock, but nobody had been there in the mean time, and I

found six sixpences and a 4d. piece in the pan—I showed them to the inspector, and then gave them to Evans.

Prisoner. When you took me into the cell to search me, you lifted my baby up. Witness. I took the baby from your arms, and allowed you to sit on the closet; you made a noise, and of course I could not hear the money go into the pan—there was not, to my knowledge, another woman brought into the same cell after you, but no one used the closet, for there were no footsteps on the sawdust there.

MR. ELLIS. Q. Do you live there? A. No, I live at No. 15, Hermitage Street—my business is to clean the station and search—I am called in when there is any female to be searched—no male prisoners had access to that water closet; there is asphalte there, and sawdust is put upon it to prevent damp; I put fresh sawdust down on Saturday, and on Monday there were no footmarks.

Prisoner. A little boy with a dog went there, and two people went there, and smoked their pipes. Witness. I do not know that.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . I am inspector of counterfeit coin to the Mint. These coins are all bad—the six sixpences found are from the same mould as one of those uttered; the 4d. pieces are from the same mould as that which dropped from the prisoner's mouth.

Prisoners Defence. I am quite innocent.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 37.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury.— Confined Three Months.

Reference Number: t18570406-489

489. JAMES CLARK and WILLIAM SMITH were indicted for a like offence.

MR. ELLIS. conducted the Prosecution.

HENRIETTA BRANDT . I am a German, and am the daughter of Mr. Brandt, a tobacconist, of Fleet Street On 12th March, about 7 o'clock in the evening, a person resembling Clark came for half an ounce of tobacco, and gave me a good half crown; I gave him 2s. 4 1/2 d. change, and he went away directly—Smith then came into the shop and asked for half an ounce of tobacco; he gave me a half crown, I gave him change, and he left—a policeman came in and asked me for the money; it was still in my hand; I gave it to him, and he said that it was bad—Smith was not present then, but two policemen brought them both back—the man who came first was as tall as Clark, and was dressed like him.

WILLIAM LARRANDON . I am an interpreter of languages, and live in Cloth Fair; I have been in the police fifteen years, and resigned some time since. On 12th March, at 7 o'clock in the evening, I was in Fleet-street, and saw the prisoners standing together within four or five doors of the station, and ten or twelve yards from Brandt's shop—I fancied I knew Clark, which caused me to stop—they looked right and left, as if watching an opportunity, and a third man crossed the road and gave Smith a porte monnaie which he put into his pocket without looking at the contents, and the man went away; in a minute or two Smith opened the porte monnaie, and showed the contents to Clark—I was three or four yards off—immediately after that Smith went into the shop; I passed, and saw him being served with some tobacco; I went in, and saw Miss Brandt with a half crown in her hand; I said, "Allow me to look at it;" I bit it, and said, "It is bad, I shall be back immediately"—this is it (produced)—I went out, and followed Smith; he crossed over to the opposite side of the road, and I kept my eye on them both as far as Farringdon Street, where I saw a policeman; they were a very few yards in advance of each other—I kept

my eye on Smith half way down Farringdon Street; he crossed over, and joined Clark, and walked and conversed with him—I seized Smith by the collar, and he put his hand into his left pocket; I grasped it, and kept it there, and took him back to the shop, and then drew his hand from his pocket, and it contained a porte monnaie with a bad half crown in it; I bit that also, and have kept them both ever since—Miss Brandt also gave me a half crown which she supposed Clark to have passed.

Clark. It is false; Smith only came up to me and asked me the way to London Bridge. Witness. I am sure he is the man who was with Smith they were walking and talking together fifteen or twenty yards.

WILLIAM SIMMONDS . (City policeman, 361). I saw the prisoners in conversation together, and took Clark—I found this third bad half crown (produced) in his trowsers pocket, also a sixpence, some coppers, two porte monnaies, a purse, two knives, a whistle, and a bunch of keys—he gave his address in a street which I could not find, in Shoreditch.

JOHN FINLAYSON . (Policeman). I was called into the tobacconist's shop, and found Clark in custody—Smith was given into my custody by Larrandon—I took him to the station, searched him, and found two good sixpence in his boot, and in his jacket pocket 4d. in copper and two knives—he said that he lived at Aylesworth, in Suffolk.

Smith. There was a shilling taken from me as well. Witness. Larrandon found it, and handed it to me.

WILLIAM LARRANDON . re-examined. It was rolled up in the parcel of tobacco; it was good.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These three half crowns are all bad, and from different moulds.

Clark's Defence. I did not know that the half crown was bad.

Smith's Defence. I took the half crown for work on my way from Sitting bourne here; it is the first time I have been in London.

WILLIAM SIMMONDS . re-examined. One of the porte monnaies which I found, Smith claimed at the station as his; the one found on Smith had not been put down then, it was in Larrandon's possession.

Smith. I thought they were all mixed.

CLARK— GUILTY . Aged 19.

SMITH— GUILTY . Aged 19.

Confined Twelve Months

Reference Number: t18570406-490

490. THOMAS HUGHES was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. ELLIS. and POLAND. withdrew from the prosecution.


Reference Number: t18570406-491

491. LEWIS EVANS , unlawfully obtaining, by false pretences, certain orders for the payment of 5l. each; with intent to defraud.

MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE. and MR. GIFFARD. conducted the Prosecution.

ROBERT RITHERDEN . I am in the service of the East India Company. In and previous to 1834 I was in the shipping department of the Company—I was there at the time they discontinued their commercial undertakings—there were at that time a great many commanders and petty officers of their ships, and after a time an arrangement was made to compensate them, and also down as low as boatswains, gunners, and carpenters, but an ordinary seaman would not be entitled to a pension—the persons who had served in the lowest grades for ten years previous to 28th Aug., 1833, were to receive a pension of 20l. a year, commencing from 22nd April, 1834—for the purpose of granting these pensions, forms of

applications were prepared by the Company, and given to any person who applied; this (produced) is one of them—in or about 1836, I received the declaration in the form filled up, purporting to be from Lewis Evans, but at this distance of time I cannot say from whom—on the receipt of it, I referred to such lists of vessels referred to as would prove the eligibility of the party to the pension; ten years' service was sufficient to qualify him—in consequence of what I found in the wages' lists, and upon my recommendation, a pension was granted to him, which has been paid ever since—it would commence, I think, in 1834—unless I had believed that statement to have been true, it would not have been granted—this letter (produced) came into the department, I will not say that it was in July, 1856—it was proposed to give some alms houses (which had been erected two centuries) to the old servants of the Company, and they took steps to make it known, by placards in the pay office—in consequence of this letter, I referred to the vessels General Harriss and General Hewitt, to ascertain the actual period that he served on board each, as it required a period of ten years' actual service to give him eligibility to the alms houses—I referred to all the vessels, and discovered something which induced me to make further inquiry as to the prisoner.

Prisoner. In 1837, they granted me a pension. Witness, On 20th Dec, 1836; it was payable quarterly.

JOHN LEWIS . I am clerk to Walters and Co., bankers, of Haverfordwest I know the prisoner, and have been in the habit of receiving his pension for him through the agency of Jones Loyd, and have paid it over to him half yearly, for fourteen years to my knowledge—he used to draw an order on the East India Company; this one of 22nd April, 1856 (produced), is his writing, and I believe this power of attorney (produced) to be his also—(This was dated 19th Dec., 1836 , and signed Edward Lewis Evans, authorising George Bryant, of Leadenhall Street, to receive any sums for him from the Company)—these four signatures, Edward Lewis Evans, in this book, are in the prisoner's writing, and so is this "Edward Lewis Evans" at the bottom of this paper—(This was a statement of the prisoner's service on board the True Briton, the Lord Castlereagh, and the General Harriss, to which was added: "Gentlemen, I, Edward Lewis Evans, do hereby declare, that I had not, previous to Aug., 1833, quitted the maritime service of the Company, and that if the Company had gone on, it was my intention to continue the maritime profession in their service")—he told me that some years ago he had considerable difficulty to obtain the pension; that Captain Bollinson opposed it, but that he afterwards got it, through the intercession of Captain Baker—this application for the alms house is in his writing.

CHARLES WARNE LOVERIDGE . I reside in Somersetshire; I was formerly in the service of the East India Company, and am in the receipt of a pension from them. In 1826 and 1827, I served as mate on board the General Harriss, on her voyage to China—Edward Evans was the boatswain—I knew him very well—he became ill, and died while the vessel was in China, in Sept., 1826, and on the following day was taken on shore and buried—I read the funeral service over him, as far as I remember—a man named Stocker, who came from one of the other ships, was appointed to his post—the prisoner was not on board at all, nor was I on board any ship with him.

Prisoner. Q. Was not I on board the Asia? A. I never served on board the Asia.

DANIEL THOMAS ROY . I am a surgeon, of Houndsditch. I was ship's surgeon in the East India Company's service, in 1821 and 1822, on board

the General Hewitt—I recollect Edward Evans, who was the boatswain then, and on the subsequent voyage as well; the prisoner is not the man, there is no resemblance—I understand that Edward Evans afterwards went to the General Harriss, and died in China—I never saw the prisoner, and remember no other person named Evans.

HENRY FRAZIER . I am a clerk to the solicitor to the East India Company. I produce an examined copy of a marriage certificate from the parish Church of Llangantlo, in Cardigan, in 1817, between Lewis Evans, and Sarah Bowen, widow—I examined it myself—("Ed" was inserted before the "Lewis Evans," in the space originally occupied by the word "US," in the sentence, "This marriage was solemnized between us," which was erased)—There is no "Ed" before the "Lewis" in the original.

MR. GIFFARD. to ROBERT RITHERDEN. Q. I perceive that he is said to have served on board the Lord Castlereagh, in 1818 and 1819; was she in commission in those years? A. She was not—there was no difficulty made about granting the pension beyond what I have mentioned; there was no interference of any captain, it came within rules.

Prisoner's Defence (written). I am seventy-three years of age, and infirm; I have been forty years upon the sea, and eight years in the East India Company's service; in the year 1836, I received a summons from the East India Company, to attend at Leadenhall Street; I was there ordered to give an account of the time I had been in the Company's service; I accordingly did so for eight years; I was asked my name, and replied, "Lewis Evans;" they then said, "You are described on our books as 'Edward Lewis Evans, "are you one and the same man?" I replied, "Yes;" they then said they supposed it was their error, and desired me to go to the Mansion House, and make affidavit to the effect that I was "Lewis Evans," alias "Edward Lewis Evans;" this I did; I was then informed that "compensation" was due to me; at this time I also furnished the Company with the names of the various ships in which I had served; after this I went again to sea, and was absent about twelve months; upon my return to England I again received a summons from the East India House; I was then informed that I was entitled to a pension of 20l. per annum; I replied, "I thought it was not due to me," as I had not served the full time; one of the clerks then said something to the following effect, viz., "You old fool, it is due to you;" I was then desired to write for my certificates of baptism and marriage, which I did; about a month after, I received a third summons, and was taken by a clerk of the name of Bryant to Captain Baker's office, and delivered my certificates; from thence I went to the treasurer's office, and received 5l. on account of my pension; the treasurer then presented me with a formal order to receive my pension, which order I produced to the Lord Mayor on Wednesday week last; I presumed at the time that I received my pension through the kindness of my friend, Captain Baker, and from my merit; this pension I have duly received for nineteen years, without any demur on the part of the East India Company; in the year 1856, I made application to the Company to be admitted into the alms houses, at Poplar; I received the accompanying letter in reply; I answered this letter to the effect that I was then so ill that I had no hopes of being an applicant, or something to that effect—(Two letters were also produced, one informing the defendant that before his application for one of the almshouses could be granted, he must state the names of all the ships in which he lead served; and another in reply, from the defendant, stating, that in consequence of ill health he did not hope to become a candidate.)

MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE. to ROBERT RITHERDEN. Q. What is the rule? A. Ten years' service from the time of entering until the termination of the last voyage—the prisoner would have been entitled to a gratuity for a short period, but I should not have passed him for the annuity—if this was true he would have been entitled to a pension, but not if he only served five years.

COURT. Q. Have you any records of the service which this man actually rendered? A. Only from the ship's books—I find the name of Edward Evans on the books of the General Hewitt—I examined my books with reference to the declaration he sent in, and on re-examining them I referred to the declaration—besides his own statement, I have no means of knowing what services the prisoner rendered, if he rendered any.

GUILTY . Aged 73.—Recommended to mercy by the Company, in consequence of his advanced age.— Confined Three Months, without hard labour.

(MR. SERJEANT BALLANTINE. stated that the prisoner would lose a pension of 4l. which he was receiving from the merchant service.)

OLD COURT.—Thursday, April 9th, 1857.


Sir JAMES DUKE., Bart., Ald.; Sir FRANCIS GRAHAM MOON., Bart, Ald.;


Before Mr. Justice Williams and the Fourth Jury.

Reference Number: t18570406-492

492. JOHN TURNER was indicted for b—st—y.

MR. PHILLIPS. conducted the Prosecution.

GUILTY . of a Misdemeanour. Aged 42.— Confined Eighteen Months.

Reference Number: t18570406-493

493. WILLIAM WEBB, alias Philip Levy , feloniously stabbing Alfred Buckler upon his neck and left arm, with intent to murder. 2nd COUNT., with intent to do grievous bodily harm.

MR. PAYNE. conducted the Prosecution,

ALFRED BUCKLER . I live at Mr. Hollick's, a draper, in High Street, Poplar, as an assistant. On 5th March, I was at the Poplar station of the Blackwall Railway—it was half past 8 o'clock when I took my ticket there—I was going to the Hampstead Road—I had to change carriages at Stepney, and got into a second class carriage on the North London line; that was about 20 minutes past 8 o'clock—there were several passengers in the carriage, but all of them got out at the Camden Town station, and left me alone—as the train was about to start from the Camden Town station, I observed the prisoner look in at the window of the carriage—he opened the door, and got in—I was sitting in the corner; he seated himself on the opposite seat, about the middle of it—he was quite a stranger to me—he asked me what was the next station—I told him Hampstead Road—he said, "That's right"—he then moved up the seat opposite to me—he said, "It is about half past 8 o'clock, is it not? what is the time?"—I took out my watch, and said it was 25 minutes past 8, all but a minute—I then put my watch into my pocket again, and turned my head to look out of the window—I then felt a violent blow strike me in the neck; I sprang to my feet—I then felt myself struck in the arm in the same manner—I grappled with the prisoner, and he nearly overpowered me, when I saw a knife in his

left hand—we were then in the middle of the seat, where he sat when he first got into the carriage—I caught at the blade of the knife with my right hand—it was a sticking knife, not a clasped knife—this is it (produced)—I caught his neck and wrist with my left hand, and pushed him up into the corner—he struck me with the right hand, but the knife was in his left when I held it—I pushed him up into the corner, and called out "Murder!" several times—the train was in motion all this time—I did not lose my hold of the knife at all until the train stopped—the injuries inflicted upon me were inflicted before I got hold of the knife—while I was holding the knife an attempt was made to draw it through my hand, I felt it cut deeper; I had only hold of it by the blade, nothing else—while I was struggling with him for the knife, I pushed his arm against the back of the seat, to prevent him from pulling it through my hand—he struggled and tried to get away, but I squeezed his throat—the speed of the train was slackening at this time, and was nearly stopping—I again called out "Murder!" several times—I ascertained that I was wounded directly I caught the knife; I felt that I was bleeding from my neck and arm—immediately the train stopped the carriage door was opened by a guard or porter, and I said, "Take this man, he has stabbed me"—I still held him—he dropped the handle of the knife immediately the door was opened, and said, "The knife is not mine; this gentleman tried to stab me, and in self defence I stabbed him"—I did not observe whether he was wounded in any way—I gave the knife to the porter by the handle; it was not my knife; I had a small clasped knife—I did not use it in any way—I did not take it out of my pocket—I did not make any attack upon the prisoner before I was stabbed—the blade of the knife is not so sharp lower down where I held it, or it would have cut my hand through—I was taken into the office of the station, and a surgeon attended me directly—I was sent home by a special train, and have been attended several times since by two surgeons.

Cross-examined by MR. SLEIGH. Q. How long have you been in Mr. Hollick's employment? A. Nine months—I was going to the Colosseum that evening, to meet a friend—I live at my employer's house at Poplar—I left there about 20 minutes to 8 o'clock—I had dined, and had my tea—I went straight from my employer's to the railway—I had not been to any other house—I had not had anything to drink—I think there were four compartments to the carriage I was in, open one to the other—there was no one in any of the four compartments at the time this happened—I had put my watch back into my pocket—I had not accidentally trodden on the prisoner's toe, or he on mine; nothing of the kind—I said nothing to him angrily; we had no words besides the time and the next station.

COURT. Q. How was it that you say you caught his wrist and left hand? A. I had his wrist in this manner (pressed against his throat), and my finger nail and thumb nail against his throat—I pressed his wrist against his throat—about two minutes elapsed from the time I was first struck on the neck till the train stopped—no conversation occurred as to how far we were from the station, merely the name of the station—the train had not begun to slacken speed when I was first struck; we had only just left the station when he asked me the question—my clothes are here which I had on at the time.

WILLIAM SANDFORD . I am a porter on the North London Railway. On 5th March I was on duty at the Hampstead Road station when the train came in, about 20 minutes past 8 o'clock—I was standing against the signal post, watching for its arrival—while standing there I heard cries of

"Murder!" and "Help!" from one of the carriages—I jumped across the buffers of the carriages, and made my way to the carriage as quickly as possible—I saw the prosecutor and prisoner inside, they both appeared as if they were in a struggle—I saw the knife; the prisoner had hold of the handle, aud the prosecutor had hold of the blade—the prosecutor said to me, "For God's sake, porter, this man has been trying to murder me, take the knife"—as soon as he spoke that, the prisoner let go his grasp of the handle, and the prosecutor handed me the knife by the handle, holding it by the blade; it was dripping with blood at the time I took it—the station master led the prosecutor from the carriage into the secretary's room—I saw blood oozing over the top of his neck cloth; he seemed to be quite in a fainting state—I secured the prisoner till one of the other servants went outside and found a policeman—there was no one but the prisoner and prosecutor in either of the compartments of that carriage—when I took hold of the prisoner, he said, "Oh! the knife don't belong to me, it belongs to that gentleman; he tried to stab me, and I took it away from him, and stabbed him instead"—the prosecutor said, "That is false"—I gave the knife to the policeman.

JAMES WEBB . (Police sergeant, 516). On the night of 5th March I was at the police station in Albany-street; the prisoner was brought there about a quarter past 9 o'clock—I asked him his name—he said, "William Webb"—I asked where he lived—he said, "I sha'n't tell you"—he said he did not wish his parents to know that he was in trouble—I asked him hid occupation—he said a sailor—he said that the gentleman attempted to stab him, and that he took the knife from him, and stabbed him instead—I took the prisoner back to the railway station in Hampstead Road, and there found the prosecutor in the secretary's office—when he saw the prisoner, he said he was the man that had stabbed him, and he related the circumstances as he has done to-day—after I returned to the station, I noticed that the prisoner's hands were covered with blood, and also blood on his face—I did not observe any wounds on his hands and face corresponding with the blood—on my noticing the blood, the prisoner said, "It is blood; the gentleman attempted to stab me, and in endeavouring to take the knife from him, I cut my hand"—he then pointed to a slight wound on the middle finger of the left hand, and also to a scratch on the lower part of the thumb of the left hand—I said, "These wounds have never bled"—he made no reply to that—there were no signs whatever on the prisoner of his having been wounded with the knife—on searching him I found one duplicate, a few lucifer matches, a halfpenny, and two or three buttons—I found no railway ticket, and no money but the halfpenny—the knife is quite new, and never appears to have been used—it is called a butcher's trimming knife.

STEPHEN HALFORD . I am a surgeon, at Haverstock Hill, Hampstead, near the Hampstead Road station. On 5th March, between 8 and 9 o'clock in the evening, I was called to attend to the prosecutor—he was sitting in a chair, quite faint, his clothes much stained with blood, and a handkerchief tied round his neck was also saturated with blood—on removing the handkerchief I found a wound on the left side of the neck, about two inches from the ear—it was about an inch in length, and about the same depth; the edges were smooth, so that it was made by a sharp instrument—it was about the width of this knife; it was a stab apparently made by the point of the knife—it went certainly within half an inch of the carotid artery, and I should think the end of the wound must have been much nearer, as it inclined forward—it was a very dangerous wound—on taking

off his clothes I found a wound on the outer side of the left arm, about the same size, but twice as deep; it was quite two inches deep; that was also made by stabbing, and it inclined upwards also—there was a bruise at the right side of the back of the neck; that was altogether distinct from the wound—there were some scratches over the right eyebrow, and the right side of the chin—there were two slight cuts on his right hand, scarcely through the skin, between the forefinger and thumb—it would have required a good deal of violence to cause the wound in the neck, to get the knife in the depth that it went; the wound in the arm must have been given with even more force, it was deeper.

ALFRED BUCKLER . re-examined. I had on a great coat and a light under coat, and a great coat, belonging to a friend, over my arm—I had a silk scarf round my neck four times doubled, and my collar—the cut was through that—I have my scarf here (producing it)—this is where it was cut with the first blow—this (produced) is the coat I had on; here was the blow in the arm, and there was another directly under the arm; that did not touch me; and there were three stabs in the back of the collar, which did not touch my body—the coat protected and saved my body from those four stabs; it is thickly wadded under the arm, which was the cause of its not touching me.

DAVID MYERS . I am a butcher, in Middlesex Street, Whitechapel. The prisoner was in my service as a butcher; his name is Philip Levy; he was not in the habit of killing cattle, he was only a lad to take out the meat.

Cross-examined. Q. Was he addicted to intemperance, or anything of that kind? A. Not at all, that I know of—he was a well behaved lad while in my service—I always thought him a kind, humane lad.

JURY. Q. Was he in your service at this time? A. No, he had left me seven months when this occurred.

GUILTY . on the 2nd Count. Aged 18.— Transported for Life.

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494. EMMA DODD was indicted for, and charged on the Coroner's Inquisition with, killing and slaying her new-born child.

MR. SLEIGH. conducted the Prosecution, and MR. PHILLIPS. the Defence.

GUILTY . Aged 34.—Strongly recommended to mercy.— Confined Eighteen Months.

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495. OLIVER NEALE was indicted for a robbery, with others, upon John Young, and stealing a watch, value 10l.; his property.—2d. COUNT., receiving the same.

MR. LEWIS. conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN YOUNG . I am a baker, and live at No. 93, Wood Street, Walthamstow. On 28th Feb. I was in London; between 9 and 10 o'clock that evening I went to the King's Head public house, in Dudley Street, which used to be Monmouth Street, St. Giles's—I left just as the house was shutting, at 12 o'clock—I saw the prisoner in the house, and a lot more; I cannot say whether they left before or after me; I did not see them when I left—I went with my wife and mother-in-law to my mother-in-law's house, No. 53, Dudley Street; she lives up stairs—when we got to the passage, my mother-in-law was first, and was going up the stairs; I was about four paces behind her—when I got within about a step of the bottom of the stairs, I was collared, and held by the shoulders, and pressed up against the wall; and when I got loose, I called out to my wife, "Mary, are you there?"—she made answer as she was coming in at the door, and said, "Yes"—I said, "I am robbed of my watch;" my watch was gone, they had twisted it off—I could not see the faces of any of the persons that robbed me, at the time; it was dark at the end of the passage, but directly

I went to the street door, I saw the prisoner running away, and two more after him—I had given ten guineas for my watch.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. I believe you had been drinking a good deal that night? A. No, I had a share of three pints of ale among four, no more; I swear I was not drunk; I came up to town after finishing my work, between 6 and 7 o'clock—I first saw my mother-in-law between 9 and 10 o'clock—she keeps a stall opposite the King's Head, and sells apples and anything—she lives about 200 yards from there—I went there to meet my wife; she had left home in the morning—they both went into the public house with me—we staid there till 12 o'clock, but I was away twice during that time, at two places where I had a little business to do—we then went home to my mother-in-law's, and it was in the dark passage of that house that I was robbed of my watch—I had seen the prisoner at the King's Head with a number of other persons; I did not speak to him; he knows my mother-in-law.

MARY YOUNG . I am the prosecutor's wife. On Saturday, 28th Feb., I went with him and my mother to the King's Head, and left about 12 o'clock to go to my mother's house—I heard my husband call out, "Mary, are you there?"—I said yes, I was; and he said, "I am robbed of my watch"—at the same time I was pushed on one side of the door by the prisoner and another one with him—I distinctly saw the prisoner's face, and am positively sure it was him—on the following Monday, in consequence of a communication from my mother, I came up from Walthamstow, and went to the King's Head, about a quarter after 10 o'clock at night—I did not see the prisoner then—he was sent for, and came—he called me on one side, and said that he would do his beat endeavours to get the watch back, and he and another young man went after it to see if they could get it; they came back about 11 o'clock, and he said he could not see the man; and he asked me to wait until the Tuesday—I stopped all night, and in the morning I went to Bow Street, and gave information—I went again to the King's Head on the Tuesday, and saw the prisoner on the opposite tide of the road; my mother called him, and asked if he could get the watch—he said he would do his best, he would go and try if he could get it—he asked if I knew the number of the watch—I said I did not, but I did—he then said it was 592—that is the number.

Cross-examined. Q. A great many persons live in this house, do they not? A. I do not know, the apartments are all let—it was on the Monday I saw the prisoner again—I did not say at once, "You are the man that took my husband's watch"—I could not say he was the one that took it; I did not see him take it—I told them at the station house that he was one of the three men that were there—I had never seen him before that Saturday—I did not ask him to take tea with me after the robbery—I did not mention the number of the watch to him.

MARY HASSELL . I am the mother of Mrs. Young, and live at No. 53, Dudley Street, St. Giles's. On 28th Feb. my son and daughter came up from the country; I went with them to the King's Head—we came out about 12 o'clock, and went home—there is a way backwards, down the back stairs I went up the stairs before them; I had only got half up; I thought he was following me, and I heard him say to his wife, "Mary, are you there? I have lost my watch"—I saw the prisoner the next evening, outside the King's Head—I said to him, "Oliver, did you hear of my son-in-law's loss last night?"—he said, "Yes, I did, and I am very sorry for it, for I hear he is a very respectable man; if I had known it was your son-in-law,

he should not have lost his watch"—I have known the prisoner about nine months—he said the watch was sold that day for 1l. or 22s.—I told him if he could get it back again for the 22s., I would not mind giving him 1l. for himself rather than my son-in-law should be at the loss of it—he went away, and said he would do his endeavours—I then wrote to my daughter, and on the Monday evening she came, and the potman sent for the prisoner; his brother went and brought him to the King's Head—I asked him if he could get the watch; he said he would do the best he could—he went away, and came back in about half an hour, and said he thought the watch was broke up or something had happened to it—he said at first it was sold in St. Martin's Lane, and then he said it was sold to a fishmonger in some market—I saw him again on Tuesday, in the middle of the day—I called him from the corner of George Street to come over to the King's Head, and gave him a drop of gin, and said, "Oliver, did you go to get the watch for my son-in-law?"—he said if it cost him 1l. out of his own pocket, he would get it back again—he asked my daughter the number of the watch; she said she did not know, and he told her the number of it—she had got the number from the makers, and left it at Bow Street—I do not recollect what number it was that he mentioned, but she said directly that was the number—she said, "What will you do, Oliver? will you go and see about the watch, whether you can get it or not?"—he went away with another young man, and in about half an hour he came up to my room, and said that the watch was taken out of the case, and put into another case, and sold over the water for 4l.—this was on Tuesday or Wednesday—that was the last time I spoke to him about it.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you ever ask him to take tea with you after this affair? A. Never; I never have a man in my room; he came there to tell my daughter it was no use to seek for the watch, for it was sold for 4l. over the water—he was in the habit of going to the King's Head—I have always said that he stated, if he had known the prosecutor was my son-in-law, he should not have lost the watch.

WILLIAM LORIMER . I am a watch maker, of No. 93, Wood Street, Cheapside. I sold the prosecutor a silver watch; it was No. 592—(The witness had not his book with him and was sent for it; he returned with it, and stated that to be the correct number).

JAMES BROADWAY . (Policeman, A 303). I took the prisoner into custody—I told him it was for stealing the watch—he said he knew nothing at all about it. (The prisoner received a good character.)


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496. ABRAHAM RECTHAND , feloniously threatening to accuse Asher Stern of setting fire to his dwelling house, with intent thereby to extort money.

MR. ROBINSON conducted the Prosecution.

ASHER STERN . On 14th March and previously I carried on the business of a waterproof manufacturer at No. 47, Wellclose Square—the prisoner was in my service—I recollect, one Sunday evening, coming home, and finding that my house had been burnt—I cannot read and write, and do not know the day of the month—I was insured in the West of England Fire Office—I rendered every assistance at the fire that I could—I made a claim on the office through Mr. Hunter—three or four days after the fire, the prisoner came to me; I was then lodging in Church Street, Minories; he said, "I want some money"—I said, "What for?"—he said, "I am hard up; I must have money, I must have money"—I said, "Well, if you are hard up, I cannot give you any money;" and he said, "If you don't give me

12l.; I saw in the papers where you are insured; I will go to the West of England, and say that you set the house on fire"—I said to him, "How can you say such a lie? I was not at home, and you were not there neither; you went away before the fire broke out"—he said, "I don't care, I know all about it, and I shall go and swear anything against you if you do not give me some money, and you will get transported for life if I go and swear false against you"—I said, "I have got no money; you know very well I am hard up myself; I have got no money yet; come with me to Mr. Hunter, and state the case"—I went with him to Mr. Hunter—he said to Mr. Hunter that three other young men that were working for me had come to his place at 12 o'clock at night, and said that he should join with them, and go all four together to the insurance office, and say that I had set the house on fire, so I should get transported for life—Mr. Hunter listened to him, and took a sheet of paper, and put it down, and read it over to him, and he signed it—he then left—I saw him again between 8 and 9 o'clock in the morning, last Thursday fortnight; he was watching outside my door; it was the day before I was at the police court—I said to him, "What do you want?"—he said, "I want some money"—I said, "You know I don't owe you any money, I have not received the money from the insurance office; and if I had, I could not give you any money"—he was very vexed, and went away; he said he was going to the insurance office—he ran off, and came back to me again, and said, "I hear that you received less money from the insurance office than you ought to have got, because the others went there, and swore everything against you; so you must give me 5l., I will be satisfied with 5l"—I said I did not get any money—he said, "You must give me an I O U for 5l"—I said, to "You know I cannot read or write; come with me to Mr. Hunter, and let him hear what you say"—we went to Mr. Hunter's, and I said to him, "You see this man, he wants 5l.; and if I don't give him 5l., he will go to the office, and say that I set the house on fire"—Mr. Hunter said to him, "Do you know what you are liable to for that? you can get transportation for life; if you are going to extort money from the man, you are liable to transportation for life; if you go and say he must give you money or an I O U"—I then went to the office of Mr. Sidney, the solicitor; the prisoner followed me there—I then told him he should meet me at 3 o'clock, at No. 21, Little Alie Street, where the fire was, and I would give him the money—he then went away, and I went to the station house, in Crutched Friars, and told the inspector—I made an arrangement with him—at 3 o'clock I went to No. 21, Little Alie Street, and found the prisoner standing there—I told him I was very hard up, I could not get more than 2l.—he said, "Well, you must give me an I O U for the 3l. "—I told him to go with me to Gattie's, a confectioner's, in Aldgate, and I would give him the 2l. and an I O U—when we got to Gattie's, I had a few friends there, and I told them to hear what he said—I had previously told Mr. Morris and Mr. Goldberg to meet me there, and the policeman Shepherd was there too, in plain clothes—I sat down at a table, and said to Mr. Morris, in the prisoner's presence, "Look at this man, what he is going to do, he wants to go and swear against me that I set the house on fire, and I shall give him 5l.; what a rogue he must be to try to get 5l. out of me, and he knows nothing at all about the fire"—the prisoner said, "I am hard up, you must give me the money"—I said, "You must give me a receipt for the 2l., and the I O U"—Mr. Morris made out the receipt, and he said, "It must be stamped"—I gave the prisoner 1d., and he went

out for a stamp; ho brought one in, and Mr. Morris made out the I O U and the prisoner signed the receipt, and I signed the I O U—I gave him the 2l. and the I O U—Mr. Morris read it three or four times, and said "You know what this is?"—he said, "Yes, I know all about it"—these (produced) are the papers—we then went outside, the policeman followed us, and I gave him in charge, and the two sovereigns and the I O U were taken from him.

Cross-examined by MR. LAWRENCE. Q. Was there a young man in your employment named Joseph Koskioski? A. Yes, at the same time as the prisoner—the business did not get rather slack; we were busy all through the winter—there was no time at which I could not employ the young men, and told them so; I do not know that they were going to join the East India Company's service on that account, I never heard of it—my wife was not on the premises at the time of the fire; she had my little boy with her; but a little girl two years old was at home with the servant-girl, fourteen years old—when I left, the prisoner and two others who are now in custody were in the house; there were seven persons there altogether; I had gone away to get shaved; it was on a Sunday; it was three or four days afterwards that the prisoner first came and had this conversation with me—he did not say, "Let me have a trifle of money;" he mentioned 12l.; he said he wanted to pay 9l.—he did not at first say he wanted a little trifle of money, for he was going into the country; nothing of the kind—I afterwards asked him what money he wanted, and he said 12l.; I did not tell him I would let him have it as soon as I could get settled with the insurance office—no one was present at this first conversation—I said to him, jokingly, "I think you will take less"—he said he would not—I did not promise him some money when I got settled with the insurance office—I never told him to keep it quiet—there was a fire on my premises last year; the naphtha caught fire—it is a very dangerous business—I never said that I would give the prisoner any money; I told him I had got no money, and that he knew I was hard up—the second time he came to me was on the Thursday, he then asked me if I had settled with the insurance office—I said I had settled it—but I had not got the money yet—he did not say he had heard I had settled it, and he had come for the money I had promised him—I had not promised anything of the kind—I had told him twenty times I had nothing to give him—I told him I could not afford as much as 12l., I would give him 5l.; that was after I had got advice from a friend—I did not say that on the second occasion: he mentioned 5l. first; he said, "You have got less from the office, therefore you must give me less money"—I told him I thought I should get 160l.; that was what I did get—I lost 300l. or 400l. worth of property—I told him to meet me at 3 o'clock, because I wanted to bring witnesses to prove what he said to me; the inspector had given me advice, and told me to mark the sovereigns—after I had got advice I told him I would give him 5l.—I know a young man named Mark Robinson; I have not asked him not to go to the insurance office; I swear that.

MYERS GOLDBERG . I am a waterproofer, and live at 53, Church Street, Minories. I know Mr. Stern—I was at the house at the time the fire broke out—Mr. Stern was not there—it was between 6 and 7 in the evening—I know the prisoner as being in Mr. Stern's service—I saw him the day after the fire; he told me to tell Mr. Stern that he must give him 12l., because he had pledged his clothes for 9l., and he must have 3l. to go to Hamburgh; and if he did not give it him he would go to the insurance

office, and tell them that he (Stern) had set the house on fire, and he would be transported for life—I told him I could not do such a thing, I would have nothing at all to do with it; he might do what he liked; I was afterwards present at Gattie's, in Aldgate, when the prisoner and Mr. Stern were there; Mr. Stern said to him, "I cannot give you more than 2l., you must wait for the other 3l. "—I asked Stearne why he gave him the 3l.; he said, "I settled with him to give him the 5l., that he should not go to the insurance office, and tell them that I set the house on fire myself"—Mr. Stern also said to Mr. Morris and another gentleman, who were sitting at the table; "What a rogue this man must be; he wants 5l., and if I don't give it him I must be transported for life"—the prisoner fetched a stamp—Mr. Morris wrote a receipt for 2l. and the prisoner put his mark to it; before he did so it was read over to him three or four times—(Read: "In consideration of the 2l. I have now received from Mr. Stern, and the further sum of 3l. which he promises to pay in a few days, I withdraw my threat to disclose to the West of England Fire Office what I know with respect to Mr. Stern's late fire")—(The I O U was also read)—the prisoner said, when he got the money he would go directly to Germany; he is a German-Pole—I never heard him say anything about having been to the insurance office.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you known him long? A. Three years—I did not tell him if he could not get his money from Mr. Stern he had better go to the insurance office; I told him if he knew anything about the fire, he should go to the insurance office and report there; that would be the right way with every honest man—he met me in the street one evening, and asked me what Stern had told me about the money—I told him, "If you have anything to say, go to the insurance office and report there; I can do nothing for you"—I did not say that I knew all about the fire, nor words to that effect—I did not tell him to go to the insurance office and call on my name, and I would prove about the fire.

MR. ROBINSON. Q. Is there any pretence for saying that you could prove that this man ever said anything about setting his house on fire? A. No.

EDWARD MORRIS . I am a tobacconist, at No. 13, Aldgate. On 26th March, I went by appointment to Gattie's—I followed Mr. Stern there—I found him sitting with the prisoner at a table, adjoining the one that I sat near—a conversation passed between them in an under tone—Mr. Stern sent the prisoner for a receipt stamp, he brought a postage stamp by mistake—he brought a receipt stamp afterwards, and I was summoned by Mr. Stern to the table where they were sitting—he said, "You don't justly claim this money of me; you are a great rogue; but I suppose you would rather earn your money in this way than in any other"—I did not hear the prisoner make any answer—I bad written out this memorandum previously, and Mr. Stern had it—I read it over to the prisoner several times, and then he put his mark to it, or signed his name, I am not sure which—I saw the 2l. paid to him by Mr. Stern—I wrote out the I O U, and saw Mr. Stern sign it, and give it to him.

Cross-examined. Q. You took the receipt with you? A. No, Mr. Stern was already furnished with it; I had written it out in the morning, by his direction—I am an acquaintance of Mr. Stern's.

JAMES HUNTER . I am an auctioneer and value, of No. 201, Whitechapel Road. I was employed by Mr. Stern to make out his account for the fire office—on the Thursday or Friday following the fire, he and the prisoner called at my office—the prisoner made a statement, which I reduced to writing—he said that three other parties, whose names he mentioned

had called upon him, and wished him to join or colleague with them, in extorting money from Mr. Stern, to prevent their going to the fire office and saying that he had set his premises on fire—I wanted him perfectly to understand what he was informing me upon, and I wrote it down, and read it over to him, and asked him if that was correct—this is the paper, it is in my writing, taken down from his lips—he said his name was Abraham Recthand, No. 9, Darling Road, Dog's Row—he said, "The parties opposite, Mark Robinson, Barnet Greenbow, and Lakie, the above named parties, wished me to colleague with them to extort money from Mr. Stem, by stating if he did not give them money, they would say he had set fire to his premises"—that is signed by the prisoner—nothing further was said on that occasion—I saw the prisoner and Mr. Stern again on the 26th—the prisoner said that he wished me to write out an I O U for 5l. for Mr. Stern to sign—I asked him what it was for; was it for wages, or did he owe him the money—he said it was to prevent him from going up to the fire office, and stating that he (Stern) had set fire to his premises—I told him I would do nothing of the sort, and it was very likely if he did not leave off that course, he would get transported, and I ordered him to leave my office—that was all that passed—he then left.

Cross-examined. Q. Then, if I understand you, upon the first occasion, when the paper was written, you said nothing to him about this being wrong, or anything of that kind? A. No, I did not—I knew he was a foreigner by his talk.

MR. ROBINSON. Q. Did he speak pretty good English? A. Very fair, indeed—I could tell he was a foreigner rather by his accent.

WILLIAM SHEPHERD . (City policeman, 544). On 27th March I went to Gattie's coffee house, in plain clothes, by arrangement with Mr. Stern—after I had been there some time, the prisoner, the prosecutor, Mr. Goldberg, and Mr. Morris came in—I heard some part of the conversation—some part was spoken in an under tone; I heard the prosecutor say to the prisoner, "I am only a poor man; I cannot afford to give you 5l. now, I will give you two sovereigns and an I O U for 3l. more"—the prisoner said, "Very well"—he then said it would require a stamp, and he went out and got one—I heard the receipt read over to him, and saw the two sovereigns paid—I had previously seen those two sovereigns marked at the station—when he came out, I took him into custody—at the station house I said, "Give me what you received from the prosecutor," and he gave me the two sovereigns and the I O U.

GUILTY Aged 22.— Judgment Respited. .

NEW COURT.—Thursday, April 9th, 1857.

PRESENT—Mr. Baron WATSON.; Sir CHAPMAN MARSHALL., Knt., Ald; Mr. Ald. CARTER.; and Mr. Ald. ROSE.

Before Mr. Baron Watson and the Sixth Jury.

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497. ROBERT M'DONALD and WILLIAM ELSWORTHY , feloniously wounding John Franklin Brown, with intent to do him some grievous bodily harm.

MR. CAARTEN. conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN FRANKLIN BROWN . I am a seaman, and lodge at No. 2, Neptune Street, Wapping. On Thursday night, 12th March, I met the prisoner

M'Donald at a little before 10 o'clock, at the corner of Neptune Street, in Ratcliffe Highwayh—he asked me to take a drop of ale, and we went into the Neptune public house, and had a drop of ale—I did not see any woman with him when I went with him, I had seen her before I saw him—she was not in the public house when I went in, nor was Elsworthy—nothing took place in the public house; I came out and left M'Donald there—when I got out, M'Donald walked up behind me, and struck me with his fist in the neck—Elsworthy came up at that time, and I asked him what was the matter with M'Donald—he said he had been drinking—Elsworthy did not do anything to me at that time—I left him, and M'Donald followed and struck me again in the street—the second time he struck me in the month—Elsworthy and M'Donald both ran after me—I ran away—there were three of them at that time—they did not overtake me—I ran round, and went to my lodging at No. 2, Neptune Street—about a minute after I had reached my lodging, the prisoners came in—I was in the parlour, in the first room—M'Donald raised his hand up, and in his hand I saw a knife; I saw it glitter—I said to him, "Bob, don't cut me, if you please"—he ran at me, made a lunge, and stabbed me just above the left groin—he struck me, and cut me, and left the knife in me—I laid hold of him and threw him, and the knife dropped on the ground—I threw him into the fire place, and as we were both down together, Elsworthy catched the tongs, and aimed to strike me, but I dodged, and the blow fell on M'Donald—I had not done anything to either of the prisoners before I was stabbed—I cried out for some one to take the knife—there was a man there who had charge of the house, I do not know his name—I cried out to take the knife; that I was stabbed—he did not take it, it lay on the hearth—after it fell from me, I jumped up and caught Elsworthy; he got to the hall—I struck him, and we both fell into the street—I do not know what had become of M'Donald, for the gas was out—I cannot tell who blew it out—there was a gas light in the room when M'Donald struck me—while we were in the street, the policemen ran up and took charge—I pointed M'Donald out to one of the officers as the person who stabbed me—I was taken to the station, and examined by the surgeon.

M'Donald. Q. Did I not treat you three or four times? A. No; not that day—I did not hit two or three girls—I did not hit any one—I did not ask you for the loan of two or three shillings that night—I asked you for sixpence the night before—I did not see five of you together, I only saw three—I did not take a stone and hit you in the face with it.

Elsworthy. Q. Did you throw me out of doors? A. Yes; with trying to throw you out I threw myself out, we both fell in the street—I never saw you in the public house—you did not buy liquor for me—I did not drink anything but beer that night.

DAVID THOMAS . (Policeman, H 97). I saw the prisoners about 10 o'clock that evening, in the Highway, near to the Cock and Neptune public house—there was another one with them; they were quarrelling with the prosecutor—I went and got them all away, and in five or ten minutes I saw the prosecutor run up a bye street, and the policemen ware after him, and M'Donald said, "Come on, let us go to the Cock, we shall meet the b—there, and we will have his b—heart out."

M'Donald. Q. Did I appear in liquor? A. You did not appear in liquor to me—you had nothing in your hand.

Elsworthy. Q. Did you see me that night? A. Yes, within a very few yards of the Cock and Neptune—I did not hear you make any threat.

ROBERT MATTHEW PHILLIPS . I am a broker's man; I was in possession of the house No. 2, Neptune Street. On the evening of 12th March, between 10 and 11 o'clock, the prosecutor came in, and he took my hat instead of his own, and directly afterwards the two prisoners came in—I did not see that M'Donald had anything in his hand, but he took hold of Brown and threw him on the hearth, and Brown called out, "I am stabbed! I am stabbed!"—when they were on the fender, Elsworthy came in and took the tongs, and went to strike Brown, and in the room of hitting him he struck M'Donald—they got up sparring together; the gas light all came down, and four chairs were broken—they all went out of the door together—I called out, "Police!" and gave Elsworthy in charge, with the tongs in his hand, in the street—the constable searched M'Donald for a knife; he could not find it—I went in doors and found a knife on the hearth; I took it to the station, open, and gave it to the constable.

M'Donald. Q. Did you see any one but us there? A. No—I did not see any mark or cut on your face—you did not show me any, there was too much scuffle—from the time you came in till you went out, there was no time to see whether you were tipsy or sober.

Elsworthy. Q. Do you say I struck M'Donald? A. Yes; you made aim at Brown—you got hold of the tongs and struck two or three times—you aimed at Brown, and he bobbed his head and you struck M'Donald—you all fell out together; I called for the policeman when I saw Brown cut—you did not make any resistance—you did not attempt to strike Brown in the street; it was in doors.

BENJAMIN PRIOR . (Police sergeant, H 2). On the night of 12th March, I heard a disturbance at No. 2, Neptune Street—I found the prosecutor and the prisoners had fallen out of the house; Elsworthy and the prosecutor were both on the ground, and the prosecutor had hold of Elsworthy—I took hold of M'Donald, who was standing up close by—Brown cried out, "I am stabbed!"—I said, "Who did it?"—he pointed to M'Donald, and said, "That man"—I took M'Donald—Brown unbuttoned his trowsers, and showed me he was stabbed; I saw the blood flowing—I took M'Donald to the station—this knife was given to me by Phillips, it had blood on the blade and the handle.

M'Donald. Q. If there was blood on the knife there must have been blood on my hand? A. I did not notice that—I saw blood on your head—you did not mention about the prosecutor hitting you—you appeared to be sober.

JOHN COMLEY . I am a surgeon, and live in High Street, Whitechapel. On the evening of 12th March, I went to the station, in Leman Street, and examined Brown—there was a wound of three inches long, and one inch in depth, on the upper portion of his groin, dividing the muscles—it was a deep incised wound, and it was bleeding—I have been attending him since—he is not quite recovered, he is partially paralyzed in a portion of his leg—this knife decidedly is such an instrument as would have inflicted such a wound—if it had gone straight in, it would very likely have been fatal.

M'Donald. Q. Did you examine my head? A. Yes; there was a wound on your head—there was a wound on your chin, but nothing particular; I put a piece of sticking plaster on it—I do not think you were in liquor.

JAMES HOLLIS . (Policeman, H 147). On the evening of 12th March, I took Elsworthy into custody—he was in the street, in the act of rising off the ground—he had this pair of tongs in his hand.

Elsworthy. Q. Did I make any resistance? A. None whatever—I

believe you had the tongs in your right hand—you made a tight grasp of them, and I wrenched them out of your hand—I said, "Consider yourself in my custody."

M'Donald's Defence. I am a stranger in this country, and have no friends; I could not get money to go to the ship; I had money there; I have got a wife; I have never been placed at a bar before.

Elsworthy's Defence. I never offered to strike the prosecutor, or any other man; I had the tongs in my hand; I had wrenched them from Brown; I was going out; he followed me, and we both fell; Mr. Phillips came, and said, "I give you in charge;" I said, "For what?" he said, "For striking M'Donald with the tongs;" the constable came and took me; I gave him the tongs with the greatest pleasure.

M'Donald. I had been drinking, but as to my having the knife, I declare before God, I had not; the third man might have had it.

M'DONALD.— GUILTY . Aged 29.— Six Years Penal Servitude.


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498. EDWARD SISEL , stealing 1 watch, value 20l., the goods of Henry Coker, from his person.

MR. PLATT. conducted the Prosecution.

ARTHUR CHARLES RHODES . On 28th March, I was in King Street, Cheapside, a little before 2 o'clock; I saw the prisoner with Mr. Coker's guard chain in his hand, and he passed by Mr. Coker—I did not see any watch, merely the chain—the prisoner put his hand close to Mr. Coker's waistcoat pocket, and after that I saw the chain in his hand—I laid hold of him, and told Mr. Coker he had lost his watch—I am sure the prisoner is the person—I could not see whether, anything passed through his hand.

Cross-examined by MR. TINDAL ATKINSON. Q. Was this the day of the election for the City? A. Yes—there were a great many persons about—I was not very much interested in the election—Mr. Coker was standing opposite one of the committee rooms; a great number of persons were about him—I had not seen the prisoner before—the people were pretty quiet then—the prisoner was standing still when I first observed him—I saw the greater part of the guard in his hand—I never lost sight of him—I went to the station-house with him—he gave his name Edward Sisel—he said where he lived, but I do not know the address—I did not see him pass anything to anybody.

HENRY COKER . I live at No. 16, Gresham Street, and am a warehouseman. On 28th March I was near Lord John Russell's Committee-room, about the middle of the day—the last witness spoke to me—I looked at my guard chain—it was hanging down loose, and my watch was gone—I had seen the watch safe on the guard about two or three minutes before—it was worn inside my waistcoat pocket—it was worth twenty guineas—I turned and saw the prisoner standing close by the side of me; I collared him, and gave him in custody—he said he had not stolen it, and if he had stolen it it would be found upon him.

Cross-examined. Q. There were a good many people about? A. Yes; waiting to see the state of the poll in the window.

JOHN SUMMERFIELD . (City policeman, 533.) About a quarter before 2 o'clock, on 28th March, I was called to take the prisoner; I took him to the station and searched him; I could not find any watch—I found on him a sovereign and a duplicate—he gave his correct address; I went and made

inquiry about him—he admitted he was once at the Mansion House for an assault, but was discharged.

Cross-examined. Q. He said his mother gave him the sovereign and the duplicate? A. Yes; and I found that correct; and he was sent out to purchase some goulard.


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499. WILLIAM EDE , stealing 1 bank note for payment of 5l., the property of Louis Noverraz.

MR. SHARPE. conducted the Prosecution.

LOUIS NOVERRAZ . I am a Swiss, and live at No. 38, James Street, Manchester Square. On 27th February I was looking for a situation—the prisoner came to me while I was in Oxford Street, looking at some photographic portraits—he said to what perfection they brought them, and he asked what I was doing; I said I was looking for a situation—he told me he was acquainted with a butler who was going to leave his situation because the family was going out of town, and he thought I should do for the place, and he would introduce me to the butler about 6 o'clock—he asked me if I would take a glass of ale, and if I would go with him I should have a chance to see the butler—we went into a public house near where we were; we had a glass of beer at the bar—he told me he was in business as a poulterer—we then went out to see this butler, and he took me to the parlour of the Coach and Horses—while we were in the parlour another man came in, and he asked if that was a general room or a private room—I said, "I suppose it is public"—the prisoner and he began to bet about the stone that they would throw at the skittles, and we went down stairs to the skittle-ground, and the prisoner betted with the other man, and he advised me to bet—I said, "You may bet yourself," but at last I did bet, and we played altogether—after they had betted about the stone we all began to play—I lost 2l. on the first game, and I would not play again—the prisoner advised me to play again, and said I would be likely to win—I put down 2l. again, and lost the second game—we were playing all three together—when I lost the second time I would not play again, and the prisoner advised me to play for 5l., and said I would be sure to win—I put the 5l. on the third game, and I saw the prisoner and the other party speaking privately together, and I thought it must be wrong, that they were robbing me, and I said I would go up stairs, and the other man gave me back 2l.—I had at that time given 5l. to the other man by the prisoner's advice—the game was not over—I went up stairs and spoke to the landlady—the prisoner followed me—the others remained down stairs—there were two others besides the prisoner, but one did not play—when I came out of the room from speaking to the landlady, the prisoner was in the house—I went down to the skittle ground with the landlady, and the two men who had been there were gone—we came up stairs again, and the prisoner was gone—I saw the prisoner again a fortnight or twelve days afterwards in Berners Street, Oxford Street; I went to him, and asked him if he recollected me, he said, "No"—I went to look for a constable to give him in charge, I could not find one—I passed by the prisoner again, and he said, "Yes, I recollect you; how do you do?"—I came with him, and gave him in charge to a constable; I said I charged him with robbing me in skittle playing by false pretences—the prisoner offered me 2l. or 3l., and then 4l.; he made me the offer more than once—the policeman was present when he made the last offer—he offered me 2l.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. You play skittles very well? A. I

never did till I came to this country—I have been here four years—I do not consider myself a very good player—I have not played more than twice—the last time I played before this was in Scotland, with my fellow servants—I never played in London before this time—I first met the prisoner in Oxford Street—I had been out of place about three months—I was last in place in Scotland—I can show my recommendations from my master—I had not been three months looking for another situation—I was in Berkshire part of the time—I came up to London to look for a place when I thought it was a good time—I had never been in that public house before—I do not know that that is a house of call for servants out of place—when we went into the house first, I went into the parlour; we had a pint of ale—we had had a pint at the other public house—we staid perhaps half an hour before we went down to the skittle ground—we played three games—I think I knocked the pins down three times—I found out that they took me there under false pretences—I won at first—I think I won 6d. or 1s.—I did not want to play at all—I went on playing, but it was not my natural doing; I refused to play several times—it was when I lost my money I began to think there was something wrong, it was very right I should.

MARY HARRINGTON . I keep the public house. A. great many servants call there, and take a pint of beer, and play at skittles.

WILLIAM BECKLEY . (Police sergeant, D 29). The prosecutor gave the prisoner in charge to me in the New Road, Marylebone, on 11th March—he charged him with robbing him of 7l.—the prisoner said he was not a baby, that he could put a skittle ball into his hand, and make him play—I took the prisoner to the station, and when there, the prisoner said he would give the prosecutor 2l. if he would wait till 3 o'clock, if he would not press the charge.

Cross-examined Q. Did the prosecutor wish to take the 2l.? A. I do not know—he said he would not wait till 3 o'clock.

(The prisoner's statement before the Magistrate was here read, as follows: "What could induce the man to play for 5l. against his will?")

GUILTY . Aged 34. Confined Nine Months.

Before Mr. Recorder.

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500. ROBERT THOMAS BILHAM , forging and uttering an order for 10l. 10s., to defraud.

MR. ROBINSON. conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES WEBER . I manage the business of the Queen's Hotel, in St. Martin's le Grand. It is kept by Mr. Edward Sherman—I know the prisoner; he had been staying at the hotel for three weeks, in the name of Captain C. Laurie—he discharged more than one bill while he was there—the first bill was in cash, and the second also—about two days after he had paid the second bill, he came to me, and asked me to lend him 2l.; and two days afterwards he borrowed 3l.—he gave me two large cheques as securities, on the Diss Bank—on 15th March he asked me for the two cheques back, to pay me the money which I had lent him, 5l.—he went out about 12 o'clock, and did not return till late at night—on 17th March I gave him his bill again, which was 5l. 10s. 11d., and I asked him for my 5l. which I had lent him, and he gave me this cheque—(Read: "Oaks, Fincham, Bevan, Moore, and Simpson, bankers, Diss, Norfolk. Pay Mr. Sherman or bearer 10l. 10s. 11d. Captain C. Laurie. Crossed, Robarts and Co.")—when he gave it me, he said, "Take your 5l., and the amount of the bill"—I

paid the cheque into the banker's for my master—the prisoner said he should remain there till Thursday, and that would give me time to see that the cheque was all right—he continued till Friday morning, the 20th—he was then indebted to me 2l. odd—he said he was going to leave early, and asked me to let him have his bill; I did, and he wrote a cheque for 3l. in the smoking room—he said, "I never draw a bill for less than 3l., give me the change"—I took it, and looked at it—I went back to him, and said I could not give him change, as I had no news of the first cheque, but I should have the news in an hour and a half—the cheque and the bill were in my hand, and he took them out—this was about half past 8 o'clock—he then stated that he was going to leave at 2 o'clock—he remained in the hotel a quarter of an hour afterwards; in consequence of that his luggage was taken back, and he went up stairs, where his things were—I saw him about a quarter of an hour afterwards, smoking his cigar; the last time I saw him he was on the step of the street door, and he walked quickly away—I did not see him again—I saw him write the second cheque in the smoking room, on the table—this is it.

Cross-examined by MR. KIBTON. Q. Had you known him before?A. No—on this cheque here is "Robarts and Co."—I cannot say whose writing this is—I believe Robarts are his bankers—he went by the name of Captain Laurie—I did not hear him say at any time, when these cheques were given to me, that he was expecting money that had been paid into the bank at Diss by his brother.

WILLIAM JAMES BAILEY . In consequence of information, I went, on 26th March, to No. 78 1/2, Queen Street, Cheapside; I found the prisoner there—I told him he was charged with uttering a cheque for 10l. 10s. 11d. to Mr. Sherman, at the Queen's Head, in St. Martin's le Grand—he said he knew nothing about any cheque, and he requested to see the cheque; I told him I could not do that—I took him to the station, and searched him; I found on him this cheque, a banker's book in the name of Robert Thomas Bilham, a banker's receipt for 667l. 5s. 4d., a cheque on Oaks and Co. for 7l. and a cheque for 3l.; I found no money on him—he stated his address, Boterdale, Suffolk.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you hear him say that he expected the money would be paid into the banker's by his brother? A. He did not say by whom; he said he expected the money would have been paid into the banker's.

ZACHARIAH SIMPSON . I am a banker, at Diss. I am one of the partners of the firm of Oaks and Co. formerly; it is now Fincham and Co.—I have examined our books myself—we have no person of the name of Captain C. Laurie on our books—no person has any right to draw on us in that name by instructions or otherwise—the prisoner formerly kept an account with Oaks, Fincham, and Co.; that was closed in June, 1855.

Cross-examined. Q. When did you examine the books? A. After we were written to by the solicitor—I examined them myself, on 30th March; I found no money paid into the account of Captain Laurie—I have not examined them since; I am sure there has been no money paid in since—there was nothing paid in last Saturday night at 8 o'clock—I saw those who did examine the books—I can speak up to last Saturday night—I examined the books last Saturday night sufficiently to know that no money had been paid in the name of Laurie—I examined them in order that I might be able to answer any questions that might be asked me—I

examined last Saturday night, where the name of Laurie would be if it had been paid in—he had an account at one time—I do not recollect the amount.

Q. In this book there is 984l., a balance due to him in 1854? A. This book had not been balanced—the first account paid in was 664l., and then 225l.: these were the only sums paid in till the account was balanced.

COURT. (looking at the book.) Q. It was overdrawn 61l. 12s. 8d.? A. Yes.

MR. RIBTON. Q. That has been paid in since, I believe? A. Yes.

COURT. Q. What is his brother-in-law's name? A. Potter.

FRANCIS FISHER . I am a constable of the suffolk police. I know Boterdale—I have made inquiries whether Captain C. Laurie resides there—no person of the name resides there or is known there.

JAMES WEBER . re-examined. This cheque found on him was the cheque that he gave me and took away again.

(Mr. Samuel Parker gave the prisoner a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 27.— Judgment Respited.

(There were three other indictments against the prisoner.)

THIRD COURT.—Thursday, April 9th, 1857.

PRESENT—Sir JAMES DUKE., Bart., Ald.; Mr. Ald. CARTER.; Mr. Ald.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Seventh Jury.

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501. THOMAS M'CARTHY , burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house of James Slater, and stealing therein 2 pairs of trowsers, value 24s.; his property: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Six Months.

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502. MARY ANN PETERS , stealing 4 lbs. weight of candles, and other articles, value 3s. 9 1/2 d., and 16s. 4d. in money, of William Matthews ; also, 5 lbs. weight of pork, value 3s. 9d., and 16s. 2 1/2 d. in money, of John Millar ; also , 2 lbs. weight of candles and 2 lbs. weight of soap, value 3s. 6d., and 16s. 5d. in money, of John Pearson: having been before convicted: also, unlawfully obtaining 2 lbs. weight of candles, and 18s. 2d., in money, by false pretences: to all which she.

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 39.—(See New Court, Tuesday.)— Confined Twelve Months.

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503. MATTHEW CHARLES WEINAND (a Pole,)stealing 7 shirts, 4 collars, and 1 razor, value 3s. 6d.; the goods of Frederick Wetherill: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 27.— Confined Four Months.

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504. CATHERINE HURLEY , stealing 1 bag and 49l. in money, of Egli Jain Schaof, in the dwelling house of James Nunn.

MR. DOYLE. conducted the Prosecution.

EGLI JAIN SCHAOF . I am chief mate of the William Hands, which is lying in the Victoria docks. On Saturday evening, 4th April, I came ashore with a pilot from the steamer—we met the prisoner and another young woman in the Tiger public house, and accompanied them to a house—we went up stairs, and I went into one room with the prisoner, and the pilot and the other woman into another room—I took a sovereign out in that room

from a bag in which I had 50l.; that was to pay for sleeping there and for a little supper—the prisoner went to bed with me—I undressed and laid my trowsers alongside of me on a chair by the side of the bed, and felt that the money was all right—I fell asleep about five minutes afterwards, and was awakened by a noise—I felt for my money and it was gone—it was then very nearly 1 o'clock—I had gone to bed about half an hour before—I called a policeman and the pilot—I have never seen my money since.

Cross-examined by MR. METCALFE. Q. When you took your trowsers off did not you lie on them? A. Yes—the money was in them—the woman of the house came into the bed room once; that was after I was in bed—I do not know what she came for; she said that I asked for some coffee, but I did not—the prisoner said to the woman of the house that I wanted some coffee; she called up the landlady—I was asleep before the woman of the house came there; I awoke up and saw her in the bed room—she was not near the bed; she was not in the same room—I did not go to sleep again after she was in the room—I was not drunk; we only had a pot of half and half in the Tiger—after the woman of the house came in and spoke to the prisoner, I did not go to sleep again—I was not asleep five minutes altogether—Eliza Hubbard is the woman who went with my friend—I saw her again; she came out of the room—she was locked up at the time I jumped out of bed; she wanted to come out, but I did not know the way of the house—I gave the woman of the house a sovereign before I went to bed—she did not see me take it out of the bag; she was in the room where I slept—I took it out of my bag and gave it to her.

MR. DOYLE. Q. When you awoke was the prisoner in the room? A. Yes; she was up, and the door was open—the landlady was just walking from the staircase into the room—that was not before, but at the same time as I missed my money; the prisoner was in the room at the time I missed it—I asked her what noise she made, and felt for my trowsers; I then said that I had lost my money—she did not say anything, and I went down stairs for a policeman, who came and took her—she was then below in the house.

COURT. Q. When you fell asleep where was the prisoner? A. In the bed with me—she did not awake me in getting out of bed, some noise awoke me—I had not heard her get out of bed.

ELIZA HUBBARD . On Saturday evening, 4th April, I and the prisoner met the prosecutor and another person at the Tiger public house, on Tower Hill; we were there twenty minutes; we left just before it shut up, and went to a coffee house, kept by Neehan; we walked some distance, and then took a cab to that house—I saw the prisoner and prosecutor go into a room adjoining our's; I went into another room with the pilot, and could hear what passed in their room—after they had been about twenty minutes in the room we heard the prisoner jump out of bed and call for two cups of coffee; Mrs. Neehan answered from the top of the house that she could not come down to serve them—the prisoner then left the room, and we heard her walk down three steps, and heard her pour a lot of money, as if she was pouring it into some one's lap—she said, "Here it is, you have it all, away with it;" the other person said, "All right," and went down stairs—it was the landlady's daughter, I can swear to her voice—we tried to get out of our room, but could not, we were fastened in; the landlady would not open it, and we made an alarm—we then went down stairs—the landlady opened the door after the policeman was called.

COURT. Q. Did you hear the prosecutor say anything? A. No, I did not hear his voice; he was out of bed and had gone for a policeman when

our door was opened, but before the door was opened he jumped out of bed, and said that he was robbed—that was after I heard this noise.

(policeman, M 158). I took the prisoner at about a quarter past 1 o'clock on Sunday morning—she denied all knowledge of it—the prosecutor charged her with stealing the money—I know the landlady, she was at home—I know her daughter, she was not at home.

Cross-examined. Q. Was the landlady taken into custody? A. Yes, and discharged.

COURT. Q. Was Eliza Hubbard there when you got there? A. Yes; she mentioned somebody's name to me, in connection with the robbery, while I was at the house; after that I tried to find the landlady's daughter, and have been trying ever since, but she has not been to be found.

ELIZA HUBBARD . re-examined. I have left my husband since Christmas, and have been in the house several times—I can swear to the voice of the landlady's daughter—I saw her in the house when I went in; she was having some gin up stairs.

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Six Months.

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505. JOHN BUCKNER and HENRY STEINWOOD (German,) unlawfully uttering a counterfeit half crown, having another in their possession.

MR. COOPER. conducted the Prosecution.

EDMUND BRISCOW . I live at No. 19, Wood Street, Lambeth Walk. I am assistant collector, and issue tickets for the packets—on 12th March the prisoners came to the pay box—Buckner asked for two tickets, and gave me a bad half crown—I picked it up, broke it, and gave it to him back—he then gave me some good money, and I gave him change for it—I said that if they had any more, and would pull them out, I would break them—they made no answer.

Cross-examined by MR. SLEIGH. Q. Is this the first time you have said that? A. No, I said so before the Grand Jury—I do not think I ever said it before I came to this building—it is quite true.

GEORGE GOLDING . I am shopman to a grocer, of No. 5, Berwick Street, Oxford Street. On Saturday, 21st March, the prisoners came to the shop together, and Steinwood asked for 2 lbs. of sugar—he put down a bad half crown—I took it up, and said, "This is a bad one; have you got another?"—he turned round to his friend, and said, "Have you got another one?"—Buckner took one out of his waistcoat pocket, and gave it to him, and he gave it to me; it was bad, and I gave it to Mr. Carter, the foreman, who asked Buckner if he had any more, and requested him to come to the end of the shop and produce them—I saw them go to the end of the shop, and he took five out of his pocket, one after another.

WILLIAM CARTER . I am foreman at this shop. I was present when the prisoners came in, and saw them pass the second half crown to Golding, who handed the two half crowns to me—when Buckner pulled the second out, I said, "Come to the back of the shop; where did you get these?"—he said, "In Edward Street"—I said, "Have you any more in your pocket?"—he produced a third—I cut that, having cut the other—I said, "This does not look well, fetch a policeman," but one did not come—I said, "Have you any more in your pocket? "—he produced a fourth, which I cut—I said, "Have you any more?" and he pulled out a broken one, and Steinwood said that it was offered at the boat pier for payment of the fare from London Bridge to Hungerford, and they were told that if they had got anymore they would get locked up—he said that they had got no more about them—I

said, "Have you got any good money at all in your pocket?"—Buckner pulled out a sixpence—I said, "I do not want that; have you any more?"—he pulled out a half crown, and I said, "I do not want that"—I asked him where he got the bad money from—he said, "In change for a sovereign, in Edward Street"—I said, "I will go with you, and see where you got it"—I went with him to Edward Street, leaving Steinwood in the shop in charge of some lads—I found that Buckner was the landlord of the house in Edward Street—I remained there till a policeman came, and gave him into custody—I saw his wife there, and asked her if she gave him change for a sovereign—she said, "No," and that she had taken it for half pints of beer over the counter of a boy—he made no reply.

Cross-examined by MR. SLEIGH. Q. Was the statement that the wife had taken the half crowns for beer? A. Yes, and after that she said that the girl had taken them—Buckner's public house is about 100 yards from our shop—I have been in the house; I understand that it formerly belonged to Steinwood, and that he sold the good will to Buckner—they both spoke broken English, but I could understand them perfectly.

WILLIAM MORRISS . (Policeman, C 173). The house is not a public house, but a beer shop—I took Buckner into custody on 23rd March, and received these five half crowns from Carter—I searched Buckner, and found a good half crown, a sixpence, 3 1/2 d. in copper, and four duplicates—when he saw me arrive he said, "Me live here"—the house has been closed so long that I was not aware it had been opened again.

Cross-examined. Q. Did Steinwood give you his address? A. He made a mistake; he gave it No. 2, Wellclose Square, instead of No. 4—I found him living at the place he told me.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These half crowns are bad, and from the same mould.

MR. SLEIGH. called

ANN STICKLEY . I was barmaid at the beer shop in Edward Street, kept by Mr. Buckner, but have left. I live now at the first turning, up at the corner; I do not know the name of the street, I am a stranger here—I was Buckner's barmaid on 21st March—I was selling beer there between 7 and 8 o'clock that evening, and Mr. Buckner was there also—during that day five or six little boys came in with half crowns—I drew the first, second, and third half pints, there was then no more change—I asked Mrs. Buckner for some, and she gave it to the boy—she gave me change for two half crowns—I changed five or six half crowns that day, I cannot tell which—money is kept in the till, it is taken away at night, and put into the till again in the morning—I remember Mr. Buckner and Mr. Steinwood going out on the Saturday morning; I was in the parlour, and cannot say that he took any money out of the till—Mr. Buckner asked me to go out for some sugar—I went across the road, and they did not sell it—I came back, and Mr. Steinwood said that he would show me the place where ho bought his sugar.

Cross-examined by MR. COOPER. Q. What morning was it when these half crowns came tumbling in? A. It was in the evening, between 7 and 8 o'clock—Mr. Buckner and I were behind the counter—I did not ring the half crowns, or look at them to see if they were good; I thought they came in on purpose for change—it did not strike me as strange that six half crowns came in one after the other—all I said was to Mrs. Buckner, "If I were you, I would not change any more"—I think there were five came in, they all went into the same till—there was not a good deal of other money, but Mrs. Buckner had some money in her purse—there were

3s. or 4s. in the till—on Saturday morning I served again in the shop—Mrs. Buckner took the money out of the till every night—the boys each came for a pint of beer—I went to the police court, but did not give any evidence; they never called me—I did not say that I came to give evidence for my master—I was in the bar when my master came in with the prosecutor, and told him that we had taken the half crowns across the counter for pints of beer—I left the place, because I could not please Mrs. Buckner—I am now in service, in a butcher's shop, in Warwick Lane.

MR. SLEIGH. Q. Did you hear the solicitor who attended on behalf of the Mint say, "It is of no use calling evidence here, because we shall prosecute"? A. No.

COURT. Q. Did you take four or five of the half crowns? A. Three, and Mrs. Buckner took the rest, in my presence—they were different boys—a small pint cup was brought for the beer, and the same cup was brought all but one time; I noticed that at the time—it was about the middle that it was a different cup, the last time was the same cup that came first—I said nothing to the boys, but Mrs. Buckner said to the last one, "Well, my little boy, do you live in the neighbourhood?"—he said, "Yes"—we watched to see which way he went, and he turned round by Mrs. Williams's, the butcher's.

JOHN RUSSELL . I live with my mother at No. 16, Staines Court—my father is dead; he was a tailor. On a Friday in last month I was in Edward Street, between 7 and 8 in the evening, playing about with other boys, and a little short man with a black cap on asked a little boy if he would go in for a pint of beer, and he would give him a halfpenny—the little boy went into Mr. Buckner's shop—I was looking about afterwards, but could not see the gentleman; at last a man came over to him and said, "Have you got change?"—he said, "Yes; where is my halfpenny?"—the man gave it to him, and knocked at a door where nobody lives; and he was going to hit me because I looked him hard in the face—I heard him say to the boy that he lived at the first door, but nobody lives there—I was afterwards going up to the cat's meat shop for a halfpennyworth of liver, for my master, and the man asked me if I would get a pint of beer and he would give me a penny—I said, "No thank you, I am in a hurry;" but I stopped and watched him, and saw him speak to a little boy with a Scotch cap and a newspaper under his arm; the boy went, and he went after him and said, "Have you got it?" and I did not see that man any more.

Cross-examined by MR. COOPER. Q. How long was it between the two times? A. About an hour—where I saw him the first time was different from where I saw him the second time, about fifty yards apart; he was first at one corner, and then at the other—there are several public houses, one in the middle, and one at each corner—the little Scotch boy was standing at one corner, by a public house, when he gave it to him—that is close by Buckner's house—the name of the house is the Blue Posts—it is on the opposite side of the way to Mr. Buckner's—there are several shops about there; there is a butcher's shop—I mentioned it to my master—I heard of it by Mr. Buckner's milkwoman telling me of it—I was asked on Monday morning to come here by Mrs. Buckner—the milkwoman told me to go to Mrs. Buckner; and she asked me whether I was the little boy that was playing, and whom the man asked to go for pints of beer—the man had a black cap, a round frock coat, and a black pair of trowsers—when he got the pint of beer he spilt the whole of it twice—the boys were all gone then except one, the one I was playing with—I did not ask for a sip of the bear—it

struck me as strange, and that is the reason I did not go for it—I should know the man again; I have been looking for him—I have not described him to the police—I saw that they were half crowns; I could tell by the one I had in my hand—he put it in my hand, and I said, "No, Sir;" and I said to myself that the half crowns must be bad—it looked bad—he took it from his right pocket; I did not hear any jink as if there were others there.

COURT. Q. Do you know any of the other boys about there? A. I know one; he was one of those who went—his name is William Poole, of No. 17, Staines Court—that is where I live—he was here yesterday with me, but they cannot spare him to-day.

(The prisoners received excellent characters.)


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506. MARY ANN MITCHELL and MARIA BURN , stealing 19s., the moneys of James Joseph Clark, from his person.

MR. W. J. PAYNE. conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES JOSEPH CLARKE . I am a currier, and live at No. 9, Queen's Terrace, Brompton. On Tuesday night, 3rd March, I left Ryder's Hotel, Salisbury Square, about twenty minutes before 12 o'clock, and was waiting for an omnibus in Fleet Street—the prisoners accosted me, and pressed closely against me; I kept on walking leisurely, and crossed the road to the Temple Bar Hotel; they pressed in with me, and stood in front of the bar; I called for a glass of brandy, and they said, "Will you stand treat?"—I threw down 1s. on the bar, and they had brandy for it—while drinking my brandy they pressed very closely to me, and soon afterwards I missed some money; I could tell from the weight of my pocket—I put my hand in my pocket and said, "I have been robbed"—Mitchell said, "Oh, no; you must be mistaken"—she sidled out of the bar, and ran down the steps—I followed her, caught her, took hold of her, and said that she or her companion had picked my pocket, but if she gave the money back I would not prosecute; she gave me 5s. 8 1/2 d.—I said, "This is not half what I have lost, and I shall detain you until I get back my money"—she then pretended to faint, and I said, "I shall not let you go"—she said, "If you give me in custody you will be dropped upon for it"—Burn came out at that time, called her a fool for giving me the money back, and ran down the passage—a policeman came, and I gave Mitchell in custody—going to the station she said, "I have not got your money"—when I went into the house I had over 30s. in half crowns, shillings, and sixpences; I had 10s. 9 1/2 d. left, including the 5s. 8 1/2 d. she gave me back—my money was loose in my trowsers pocket.

Cross-examined by MR. SLEIGH. Q. What time did you leave home? A. In the morning—I do business in Bermondsey—I went to Ryder's Hotel at 9 o'clock, and stopped till 20 minutes to 12—I went there to meet a traveller for a large Birmingham house, and stopped till the last omnibus—I had not met some other girls before I met the prisoners—I met them between St. Dunstan's Church and Temple Bar, but not on that side of the way—I did not go into any other public house with them—I only had one glass of whiskey and water at Ryder's Hotel—the shilling's worth of brandy was drunk neat; mine was a small glass—there were not a lot of girls and men and women standing before the bar—there was not another person besides these two—I did not catch the bus—I am a married man—I told the prisoner that Mitchell had given me some money back, and she denied it—I do not know who robbed me, but I had been in no other company—I did not pay for any gin for them, or for any other liquor, I only

paid 1s.—I caught Mitchell two or three yards from the public house, and the policeman took her in a few minutes—what she said was not, that it would be worse for me, for though she was an unfortunate girl she was not a thief—I can swear to her words—she did not say that it would be worse for me if I gave her into custody, or anything tending in the same way—if I have said that she made use of those words it may be true, but as far as my memory serves me I have spoken the truth—if she said that it would be worse for me, it was in addition to the other words—I was perfectly sober.

WILLIAM PIKE . (Policeman, F 73). On Tuesday night, 3rd March, about 2 o'clock, I was on duty in Searle's Place, Temple Bar, and saw the prosecutor holding Mitchell, just beside the public house door—he gave her into custody for robbing him, with another woman, and said that she had given him some of the money back—I do not think he mentioned the amount she gave him back—she said that she had given him none, for she had got none—I was taking her towards Bow Street Station—the prosecutor went with us, and when we got near St. Clement's Church, Burn crossed from the pavement towards the cab rank, and I told Moore, who was with me, to take her into custody—they were afterwards brought back to Fleet Street station—I had seen the prisoners in Fleet Street about half an hour before.

Cross-examined by MR. SLEIGH. Q. Were they searched at the station? A. Yes; two keys were taken from Burn, but nothing from Mitchell.

JAMES EPHRAIM MOORE . (Policeman, F 138). I was on duty in the Strand; Pike drew my attention to Burn, and I took hold of both her hands—the prosecutor came up and said, "That is the woman that has got my money"—she said, "You are a liar, I never saw you before in my life"—I asked her what she had got in her hand—she said, "A few coppers"—I asked her to give them up, and she would not, and I took from her hand three half crowns, three shillings, and three pence—I asked her if there were any shillings among the coppers I had taken, and how much; she said, "Three or four shillings"—when I took her to Bow Street, she said that there were three half crowns, three shillings, a sixpence, and 2d.—the prosecutor, in her presence, said that some of his money was in half crowns—it was loose in her hand.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Did you see anybody give her money as you went along? A. No; if the other constable took money from her it is quite possible she might have taken this from her pocket—I was not a little cloudy—I did not at the station undo a pocket handkerchief with my teeth, which was in her hand, and take out some money—I did not take a handkerchief from her at all—I saw another constable take one, but I do not know whether it was undone with the teeth—there was money wrapped up in it—I first observed the handkerchief at the station.

MR. W. J. PAYNE. Q. I suppose she walked by your side? A. Yes; and one hand was at liberty.

Cross-examined by MR. SLEIGH. Q. Was Clarke sober? A. Quite.

ELIZABETH TYLER . I was female searcher at Fleet Street station. On Wednesday, 4th March, about 1 o'clock, I searched Mitchell at the station, and found on her two keys, and on Burn two keys and a half crown—I told her to take off her shoes and stockings—she told me to take one off, and she would not take the other off—I asked her what she had—she said, "Nothing," but took something out and put it in her bosom—I found a half crown in her bosom, and she said, "Do not say where you found it, say you found it in the pocket of my dress, as you will get me into trouble."

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Did you find a syringe? A. Yes;

she said, "Do not say anything about that"—she put it aside, that she should not be laughed at.

COURT. to WILLIAM PIKE. Q. What money was found in the handkerchief? A. It was in her hand with the handkerchief, but not tied up at all.

BURN— GUILTY .†Aged 27.— Confined Twelve Months.

MITCHELL— GUILTY .—Aged 30.—She was further charged with having been before convicted.

JAMES KAYE . (Policeman, F 51). I produce a certificate—(Read: "Mary Ann Clark, Convicted, at Bow Street, of stealing a watch from the person; Confined six months")—Mitchell is the person.

GUILTY.†— Confined Twelve Months.

FOURTH COURT—Thursday, April 9th, 1857.


Before Michael Prendergast, Esq., and the Second Jury.

Reference Number: t18570406-507

507. ELIZA HUCKLE and THOMAS WAITE were indicted for stealing 1 coat, value 25s.; the goods of Joseph Kalsthoeber.

MR. ORRIDGE. conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM JAMES BAILEY . (City policeman, 271). On Sunday, 8th March, I took the prisoners into custody, with the assistance of another officer, at their house in St. John Street, Smithfield—I found them in bed together—I took them to the station house—the male prisoner wore the coat now produced.

JOSEPH KALSTHOEBER . I am waiter at the Victoria tavern, Mornington Road, Camden Town. On Wednesday, 11th Feb., the two prisoners came to our house, between 11 and 12 o'clock in the morning—the woman asked to go into the back yard, and in that was my pot house, and my coat hanging up in it—she went through, and shortly after came away—the door of that pot house was open—my coat was hanging on a nail—there is a railing between the necessary and the pot house—a person going into the necessary has to pass the pot house—I did not see the prisoners leave, but they left shortly after—I saw the man at the bar drinking with another woman and the female prisoner; they all came in together, and left together—I had occasion to go into the pot house shortly after, a little after 12 o'clock, and found my coat was gone—that is it (produced.)

Waite. Q. How can you tell that it is your coat, you have no private mark on it? A. No, but I have had it about two months, and the man made it for me with white lining, instead of black.

The prisoners' statements before the Magistrate were read, as follow: "Huckle says: I do not know in which way it was stolen; the coat was bought for 8s. of Mrs. Kenning.—Waite says: All that I have got to say is, that my wife came home, and Mrs. Kenning said she had to sell it for a friend of hers, and wanted 8s. for it, and I tried it on, and it fitted me, and I bought it, and I have worn it ever since."

WILLIAM JAMES BAILEY . re-examined. When I took them into custody, the female prisoner gave the name of Eliza Huckle, and then she said her

name was Waite; she said both names at the same time—she said she was married, in the dock at the station, but it was stated in such a manner that we could place no reliance on it.


Reference Number: t18570406-508

508. ELIZA HUCKLE was again indicted for stealing 1 gown, 1 coat, and 1 jacket, value 8l. 15s.; the goods of, John Tyrrell, in his dwelling house: to which she

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 34.— Confined Six Months.

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509. HENRY NIXON , stealing 1 purse, value 6d., and 1s. 3 1/2 d.; the property of Martha White, from her person: having been before convicted: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 21.— Six Years Penal Servitude.

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510. THOMAS LANDER and ROBERT M'DONALD , burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house of James Johnson, about 2 in the night, with intent to steal.

MR. WAY. conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN TOWNSEND . (Policeman, S 358). On the morning of 16th March I was on duty in the Barnet Road, Highgate, about half past 1 or 2 o'clock, near Mr. Johnson's, the Manor Farm—I heard the dog bark in the yard of the house—I went accompanied by another constable—we found in an out-house the two prisoners—there are two doors to the outhouse—I was going in at one, and they tried to come out of the other, but were apprehended by the other officer—Lander said they came there to sleep—I asked his name, and where he lived—he said, "At the Hog Market, Finchley"—M'Donald had this stick (produced) in his hand; he dropped it at his feet—I took M'Donald into custody—when I first saw them, the other constable had them by the collar—I took M'Donald to the station, and found on him a black cloth cap, a shoe brush, a toothpick, and a large clasp knife—it was from ten minutes to a quarter of an hour from the time I heard the dog bark till we came—the other constable had Lander—M'Donald gave the name of Robert Smith, living at a coffee house in Gray's Inn Lane; he could not tell what coffee house—I have made inquiries concerning the address given by the other prisoner—I could not find such a place—I searched Whitechapel all through—at the police station, Lander gave the address, "No. 50, Jeweller's Lane, Spitalfields—I could not find such a place.

Lander. Q. At the time you took us into custody, did you not go to the back part of the house and examine it? A. Yes, I came past there—I searched M'Donald—I left you both with the other constable—I did not go outside the outhouse, and examine the windows and doors—the house is on the Barnet road, about half a mile from Highgate, towards Finchley.

M'Donald. Q. What was I doing when you took me? A You were coming towards me.

COURT. Q. What is this stick that the prisoner had? A. It is a bit of a window frame; M'Donald had it in his hand.

JOHN GIBBS . (Policeman S 432). On the morning mentioned by the last witness, I went with him—we found the two prisoners in an outhouse, adjoining the building—when we came up to the door we observed the doors open a little, and the prisoners coming out; they were both taken in that outhouse—they gave addresses, that they lived at Finchley, near the Hog Market, but Lander gave me a different direction at the station—on Lander I found a bottle containing some oil, a duplicate, a letter, and a penny; nothing material to the charge, except two matches.

Lander. Q. At the time did not the sergeant hand M'Donald to you, while he went to make a search of the premises? A. He did not go out

of the place to any extent; I mean, he only looked at the part where we were—he did not go round the house at the time we are speaking of.

COURT. Q. Are there any windows in this outhouse? A. No, there are two doors—it is used to keep pigs' victuals in—there is a small shed between that and the house—the other officer never went out of the place—he merely looked out, he did not go to the back part of the house—I should think he was only five minutes altogether—when he came back we searched you, and then took you to the station.

M'Donald. Q. Which of the two of us did you take? A. The other—he was taken first—the other officer held you, and then gave you to me while he searched the place—I do not think he went out of the door—he was about five minutes, and during that time he looked about within the shed; there is another place under the same roof—it is all one—he went in there, there is an angle—I could not say whether he went out or not, but I do not think he did.

EMMA THORN . I am servant to Mr. James Johnson, of Manor Farm, Highgate. On Sunday night, the 15th, I went to bed at half past 8 o'clock; the state of the house was perfectly safe—my attention was drawn to a window over the staircase at 6 o'clock in the evening—when we went to bed, at half past 8 o'clock, I observed that it was shut—I observed the lock; it was perfectly safe—I closed the shutter inside at 6 o'clock—I observed that evening a cask, it was then on the opposite side of the steps, some distance from the window in the back place, at the back of the house—the window was quite safe when I went to bed—there is a catch to the window, that was fastened—in the morning I was alarmed by the police, about 5 o'clock—I then got up, and found the window with a square of glass taken out—it was in when I went to bed—I do not know whether the police found the glass out, but I found it when I looked at it.

RICHARD PIDGEON . I am servant at Mr. James Johnson's, the manor farm. About 6 o'clock, on the morning of the 16th, I observed a pane of glass under the wall, by the staircase window—the glass was not broken, it was laid down under the wall—I observed under the window the eighteen gallon cask that was on the night before on the other side of the steps—I found it right under the window—mounting upon that, a person might well reach the place where the pane of glass had been—removing that, the hand could be put through so as to undo the catch, and open the sash.

Lander. Q. What time did you find the cask there? A. At 6 o'clock—I dare say the police constable saw it if he went there—I did not find the glass broken, it was standing up under the wall as if it had been put down carefully—it was on the right side of the house, supposing the window to be on the left.

M'Donald. Q. Did you move the pane of glass? A. No—I did not call any one, I knew nothing about it, I was fetching in pails, and taking the milk down in the morning—the servant girl was in the house, and Miss Johnson, and Mr. James Johnson—I generally go there after pails to go milking with in the morning—I get them out of the dairy—the window was shut when I saw it, and the family were up—you could not have got in, because there are two great iron bars there—the bars were too close for a man to get between them—I do not know whether the shutters were shut.

EMMA THORN . re-examined. The shutters were shut in the morning—I do not know whether they were shut or open when the last witness came—I was up before he came—I left the shutters up—I found the shutters just as I left them at 8 o'clock—I cannot say if any remark was made by the

party that opened the shutters—Miss Johnson opened them about half past 5 or 6 o'clock, before Pidgeon came there.

RICHARD PIDGEON . re-examined. I made no remark about this till about 7 o'clock—I had no idea of anything of the kind, I thought it was unusual—I looked at the glass—it might have been done by a glazier for anything I could see—it was a leaden sash.

EDWARD KELL . (Police sergeant, S 34). On the 16th March, about 11 o'clock, I went to the Manor Farm—I observed that a square of glass had been taken from the staircase window; it had been taken out by cutting part of the lead, and pushing the other part back with a knife—I received a knife from the witness Townsend—I compared that with the marks on the lead, and found that it corresponded—it fitted exactly in the marks—the square of glass was about five inches by eight inches; part of the lead work was cut in a slanting direction, and the other part was pushed back—I compared the knife with the marks, and it corresponded—I observed the knife before I went to the lead marks—on the blade of it were some marks of some lead which I pointed out to Mr. Johnson previously—those were such marks as would have been made if a person had cut in such a manner—the taking out of that pane would enable a person to get their hands through to the fastening of the window inside; you move it, and it opens like a door—there was no mark on the shutters—the dog kennel was directly opposite this—the position of the outhouse was where they would be most likely to go if the policemen came in the opposite direction—there was also some lead on the edge of the knife, but I could not keep it on.

M'Donald. Q. Did you compare the marks with the knife? A. Yes, and saw that they corresponded; I saw the marks previously to getting up—I simply put the knife into the marks to see if it would fit—I have known oil used on these occasions by persons whose object was to get into a place secretly for the purpose of dropping on the hinges of doors to make them open quietly, it has been found on them; besides, where a centre bit is used, by dipping it in the oil, it makes no creaking.

LANDER—Aged 19.*

M'DONALD—Aged 19.

GUILTY . of attempting to break in.— Confined One Year.

Reference Number: t18570406-511

511. GEORGE MISON , stealing 2lbs. weight of flour; the goods of Richard Duckworth, his master.

MARY DUCKWORTH . I am the wife of Richard Duckworth, a baker, at Edmonton. The prisoner was in his service about four or five months—he had no right to take flour.

JOHN SCRASE . (Policeman, N 362). This bag (produced) contains flour—I found it on the prisoner—he was coming from the premises of his master, about 8 o'clock in the morning, and had got about 200 yards when I stopped him, in consequence of information—I asked him what he had in his pocket—he said, "Dough"—I asked him how he came by it, he said he was allowed it by his mistress—I took the flour out of his pocket—it was in this form, put up in a bag.

Prisoner. Q. Did you take it out, or did I give it you? A. I believe you gave it me.

MARY DUCKWORTH . re-examined. These are scraps; bits of dough that are left—there are 2lbs.—he might take a few scraps if he liked, but not flour—there is a little flour and scraps mixed together—these lumps in it are scraps, but the great bulk is flour, I expect a little flour left in the trough—I find no fault with it—I did not authorise him to take it—I complain of his taking the flour, but not the scraps—I think he should not have

taken the flour, but have separated the one from the other—I do complain of his taking the flour—the flour is left in the trough; the scraps and the flour are all mixed in the trough—he might take the scraps out, or scrape them out separate from the flour—I think it is wrong of him to take the flour—I did not tell the policeman to look after him.

Prisoner. Q. If you had known at the time that you gave me in charge what that bag contained, should you have given me in charge? A. No, I do not think I should.


Reference Number: t18570406-512

512. GEORGE MISON was again indicted for unlawfully assaulting the officer in the execution of his duty.

JOHN SCRASE . (Policeman, N 362). On the next day, when he was heard before the Magistrates, I saw his wife pass something to him—when he got down stairs I went to search him, and then he kicked me—what was passed to him was money, 2d.—I searched him because I did not know what it was.

EDWARD BARBER . (Policeman, N 9). After the constable and the prisoner had got down, I heard a great scuffle down stairs—I went down, and saw the prisoner scuffling and cuffing the last witness—he tried to kick him in his person, and he struck me on the face—he was taken back before the Magistrates, and they, feeling a difficulty in dealing with him, as he was committed for trial on the other charge, committed him for this also—the petty sessions is held at a public house, which is very inconvenient—I only went to the assistance of the other constable.


(Friday, April 10th, being Good Friday, the Courts did not sit.)

OLD COURT.—Saturday, April 11th, 1857.

PRESENT—Mr. Justice WILLIAMS.; Sir PETER LAURIE., Knt., Ald; Sir CHAPMAN MARSHALL., Knt., Ald.; Sir JAMES DUKE., Bart, Ald.; Mr.


Before Mr. Justice Williams and the Third Jury.

Reference Number: t18570406-513

513. SABBATO INCENTO was indicted for feloniously cutting and wounding Francisco Desemona, with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

MR. WAY. conducted the Prosecution.

(The prisoner, being a foreigner, had the evidence interpreted.)

FRANCISCO DESEMONA . I am a cook, living in Castle Street, Whitechapel. The prisoner is an Italian, and an acquaintance—on the evening of 28th March he came to my house—he went away about half past 11 o'clock—we had been drinking together; I went out with him; we were on friendly terms, we went out friendly; I bade him good night, and all of a sudden he took a knife and stabbed me—I was near the street door at the time; he was at the side of me—we had not had any words or any quarrel before that—I felt the blow in my arm, it cut me through my coat—he then gave me another stab in the neck, and then I ran in doors; I was also cut in the hand in defending myself; I saw the blade, but I could not distinguish what sort of a knife it was—he had it in his right hand—he had a cane in his left hand—he ran away after stabbing me.

COURT. Q. Was the first blow struck with the weapon or with the

cane? A. With the cane, on the shoulders—I did not strike any blow—he had the cane in his left hand when he struck me—he broke some windows directly after he had stabbed me.

ELLEN STANTON . I live at No. 20, Castle Alley. The prosecutor lodged in our house—I remember the prisoner coming to his room, on the evening of 28th March; I went up, and they were both sitting together very comfortable as I thought; there was another young woman there; Mr. Desemona had invited her up—I keep lodgers—they had some porter—I was out for two hours while they were there, and left the place in charge of a young woman that lodged with me—when I came home, they said I should have some drink with them, and they sent me out for two pots of stout—I was there when the prisoner went away—he parted with us on good terms, and bade me good night—Mr. Desemona went out with him—I heard them arguing at the door—I did not understand them; the prisoner spoke very roughly—I took a candle, and went out, and saw the prisoner having hold of Mr. Desemona, and Mr. Desemona rushed in very soon after me, and said he was stabbed with a knife—the prisoner ran away—I saw him break the door, half of it is glass, and then he ran away—he broke it with a stick which he had in his hand—I called out, "Police!"

WILLIAM WILDE . (City policeman, 611). About a quarter to 10 o'clock on Monday night, 2nd March, I heard some female cry out, and saw the prisoner running in Duke Street—I caught him, and took him back to Castle Alley—I there saw Mr. Desemona bleeding—I took the prisoner to the station, and searched him—I did not find any knife—I also searched the alley.

COURT. Q. Did Desemona charge the prisoner with it that night? A. Yes.

MARY BROWN . I was in company with the prosecutor and prisoner on the evening of 2nd March—they had something to drink in Mr. Desemona's room; when the prisoner went away, he parted with Mr. Desemona on friendly terms—they were talking by the fire, and I asked Desemona what they were saying; the prisoner could not understand me—Desemona speaks English very badly, but I can understand him; the prisoner cannot speak English at all—they did not appear to be in the least angry with each other before they went out.

COURT. Q. Did you want to go out with them? A. Yes, I told that to Desemona—I heard him speak to the prisoner in their own language, and the prisoner said, "No"—I was not a friend of theirs, but I have known Desemona a good while—I had known the prisoner before—there was no love making between us, nothing of the kind; there was with Desemona, but not with the prisoner—the prisoner did not want to make love to me, I am quite sure of that—Desemona was willing that I should go out with them—I staid in the house when they went out—I was there when Desemona came back; I did not see the prisoner then.

ABRAHAM MENDOLA . I am a chemist, in Leman Street. About half past 12 o'clock on the morning of 3rd March I was sent for to the station house—I took Desemona to my shop, which is opposite the station, and examined him—I found a wound on his neck and one on his arm—neither of them were very deep—in my opinion they were done with a knife—there was a third wound in the hand, done in the struggle—I did not know him before.

THOMAS MEARS . I am a surgeon, at No. 52, Brick Lane. On 3rd March I examined the prosecutor; I found a wound on his neck about the

third of an inch in length, and about a quarter of an inch in depth—it was not a severe wound; it was done with a pointed instrument—I likewise found a wound on the left aim, and a cut on the hand—the wound on the arm appeared to be of the same character as the one on the neck; the one on the hand was a cut, as if done in a struggle—the others appeared to be done with an instrument that had a double edge and a point—a stiletto or dagger might cause such wounds—they were recent, just as if done the night before—I examined his clothes, and found cuts on them corresponding with the wounds; there was a puncture right through the neck cloth, or stock, corresponding with the wound in the neck—there must have been considerable violence to cause that—it was a stout handkerchief—then was a cut on the coat corresponding with the wound on the arm—they were not serious wounds.

Prisoner's Defence (through the interpreter). The prosecutor came to find me that morning, and wanted me to go to his house on particular business; I went in the evening to find him; I found him in the room, with two females; he told me if I had got any money, to send for some beer; I gave him 2s. to get beer; he told me that he had had some dispute with an Italian, who had threatened to kill him, and he wanted to know whether I knew him; I gave him another shilling, to get more beer; after that I do not recollect anything run her, whether he came to see me part of the way or not; I am innocent; that is all the defence I have to make.

ELLEN STANTON . re-examined. The prisoner put down a shilling, and told me to go for two pots of porter, which I did—I drank a little of it—we did not finish it.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY . of unlawfully wounding. Aged 29.—Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor.— Confined Three Months.

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514. CANUTE OHLSEN , feloniously stabbing and wounding Charles Felix upon the head, with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

MR. RIBTON. conducted the Prosecution.

The prisoner, being a foreigner, had the evidence interpreted.)

CHARLES FELIX . (through an interpreter). I am a ship's carpenter, and live at No. 14, Ship Alley, Wellclose Square. On 11th March I was at the Prussian Eagle—I saw the prisoner there—I went in with my mate and found another comrade, a young lad, who had a girl with him—the prisoner came up to her, and wanted to dance with her, and she would not—I went to him, and said, "If the girl does not want to dance, why don't you leave her alone?"—my mate then went to light his cigar, and the prisoner took a beer glass from the table, and hit my mate on the head with it—he fell half down to the ground—as soon as I saw that, I went home—I was followed by about twenty persons; the prisoner was at the head of them—they followed me to my boarding house, and he gave me a blow—I was then in the lower part of the house, close to the staircase; the blood flowed, and ran down my face—I was taken to the police station, and attended by a doctor.

Cross-examined by MR. SLEIGH. Q. How far up the stairs were you when the blow was struck? A. I cannot say exactly, on the first or second step; I was just on the staircase—I think there were about twenty persons inside the house, besides the prisoner—I had seen the prisoner once before that night—I do not know whether he speaks English, he spoke to the girl and to the policeman—I was not struck by anybody before I left the Prussian Eagle—there was not a squabble between two or three men about

the girl that I heard—it was the prisoner that wanted to dance with her; I am sure of that.

GERHARD VAN EWYK . I am a labourer, and live at No. 199, St. George's Street. On 11th March I was at the Prussian Eagle, with Felix and another young man—I saw the prisoner there—I had a pot of half and half—I saw Felix talking to an Englishman—I had nothing to do or say to them—I went towards a light to light my cigar, when the prisoner gave me a blow on the head—I stooped down near the staircase, in a bending position, when Felix passed me, and I did not see anything more of him till I saw him afterwards with a policeman, and his face was covered with blood.

Cross-examined. Q. How many persons were there at the Prussian Eagle? A. A good many—I only knew three or four—I knew nothing of the prisoner—I did not hear any quarrelling, I only heard Felix say, "Leave the girl alone."

ELIZABETH JENNINGS . I am servant at No. 14, Ship Alley, where Mr. Felix lodges. On the night of 11th March he came home between 10 and 11 o'clock; the prisoner came in after him, with five more, and they were down on him—I went in between them, and got him up—I saw the prisoner strike him a blow with his fist—I cannot say whether there was anything in his hand, but immediately he gave him the blow I saw the blood come—this was on the stairs.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you say that five men had the prosecutor down at the same time? A. Yes, but he was above them on the stairs, close to me; I was about four stairs up, on the first landing—I saw the prisoner distinctly, he was close to me—I had never seen him before—he remained there after striking the prosecutor, the others ran away—he stayed about five minutes, and then he stepped down the stairs.

COURT. Q. What position was the prosecutor in when the prisoner struck him? A. Lying on his back on the stairs—I drew him up stairs with my arm, to get him up to the bed room, but I could not get him any further, because the five men were all upon him—when I first saw Felix he ran into the shop, and the men after him, and he fell on the stairs as he was running up; the men were all on him directly, and some women too—I was on the stairs when I saw the prisoner strike him—he would not leave after he had struck him, he kept fast to him; we could not get him down—he struck a good many blows down stairs; I only saw him strike one up stairs—I cannot account for the prisoner staying behind, after the others ran away—he would not go; at last, he went down by himself—he stayed about five minutes after the blow was struck; he had hold of Felix all that time, he would not let him go—he struck him the blow at the end of that time, at last; after the blood came, be let him go, and went down stairs.

MR. SLEIGH. Q. Then you mean now to say that it was after the other five men had knocked him down and had gone away, that the prisoner struck the blow? A. Yes; the others were by him at the time; they were at the bottom; they had got him by the feet; the prisoner had him by the head—I had him round the neck at the same time.

MR. RIBTON. Q. Did you see the prisoner strike him more than one blow that evening? A. No—the blood came directly after he struck the blow—I saw no blow struck afterwards—I had seen no blood before that blow was struck—the prisoner went away the moment he saw the blood; he went into the shop; it is a coffee shop and boarding house—the others were on the stairs at the time the blow was struck—I was trying to get

him up stairs, and they prevented me—the prisoner was in front of them close to me; he was trying to prevent my getting him up—the stain are about three quarters of a yard wide.

LOUIS LEVY . I am landlord of No. 14, Ship Alley, Wellclose Square. The prosecutor lodged at my house—on 11th March I saw him come home, about 11 o'clock—we were in the back parlour, the front door was open—we heard a rush in at the door, and I and Jennings ran out—there were four or five men running in at once; Felix was in the midst of them—I asked them what they wanted in my house; there was about a dozen more coming in, and they were all at Felix—when I saw the men in such a passion about him, I told them to be quiet, and asked what was the matter—I could not get any satisfactory answer from them, and they would not keep off from the man—I tried as much as possible to take him away from them—Jennings dragged him to the stairs, and I got on the stairs to keep the men off—some of the men ran up stairs, and I prevented them from going any higher, but the prisoner jumped up behind me, and ran up the stairs, while Jennings held Felix in her arms—the prisoner gave him a push with his fist on the front part of the head, and the blood rushed out immediately—I saw no blood before the blow was struck; the police came in immediately, before the prisoner or any of the others had left—I looked the door till the policeman came; I would not let any one out, there were fourteen or sixteen of them all locked in—I opened the door to let the policeman in, and locked it again—he asked who was the man that did it; we showed him the man, and let the others go—the prisoner was given into custody—I saw the prosecutor struck before this, but I did not see any knives or any blood—I kept them off a dozen times—the last blow was the blow struck by the prisoner, and it was immediately after that blow that the blood came.

Cross-examined. Q. You say that before that blow he had had a dozen blows from others; is that so? A. Yes; when this last blow was struck he was on his back on the stairs—the men wished to go up after him, but I prevented them; they went up some of the steps, but not so as to reach him—I have seen Esther Bridgman, I saw her standing at the street door, the men were crowding between her and the prosecutor—I first saw her when I went to lock the street door—the blow the prisoner struck was on the front part of the head; he jumped up and knocked him down from the top to the bottom—I could not distinctly see where he gave him the blow, it was on the front part of the head.

COURT. Q. Was there any gas light? A. Yes—my door is kept open for the lodgers—I saw the prisoner at different times have hold of Felix's head—I could not make out anything else than blows—he had hold of his head a few minutes, or perhaps a minute, beating him; the gas light was in the front parlour, that lights the staircase; it is an open staircase—the shop is an open shop, and the staircase comes into it.

ESTHER BRIDGMAN . I live at No. 22, Brunswick Street—I was at Mr. Levy's house on 11th March—I was there when Felix came in with the other men—I saw the prisoner follow him in and strike him on the head with a knife; it was a knife that shuts up; it was in a case; I saw him take it out of the case, open it, and strike him on the head with it; I saw the blood come immediately; I saw no blow struck after that—the police were then sent for, and the prisoner was given into custody.

Cross-examined. Q. Whereabouts were you standing when this took place? A. Standing at the door outside; Felix was standing in the coffee

room at the time the blow was struck with' the knife; that would be about three yards from the staircase—I saw this quite plainly—I saw him take the knife out of the case, open it, and strike him on the head with it—there were a great many persons close to Felix at the time—they were not standing between him and me—I was at the street door—it was in the shop that I saw him struck—I do not know whether there were any persons standing on the stairs at that time; there was after I got inside the shop; I did not see any at the time I saw the blow struck; I should have seen them if they bad been there; there were none on the stairs—I am an unfortunate girl.

MR. RIBTON. Q. Are you quite sure that you saw the case in his hand, and saw him take the knife out? A. I did—I saw Jennings there—I saw her with Felix, trying to get him away from the men; she was pulling him by the arm, trying to get him towards the stairs—I did not see any one else have hold of him—it was while she was endeavouring to get him towards the stairs that the prisoner struck him.

COURT. to LOUIS LEVY. Q. Whereabouts was Felix at the time the prisoner gave him the blow on the front part of the head? A. On the stairs, five or six steps up.

DAVID THOMAS . (Policeman, H 97). I was called to Mr. Levy's house—I found the prosecutor bleeding very much from the head; he was incapable of saying anything at that time—the prisoner was pointed out by the others as the man that had stabbed him; I took him into custody, and while searching him he wanted to know what I was looking for; I said the knife that the man was stabbed with; he said, "I have no knife; my mates have got it, and they are gone."

Cross-examined. Q. Were there any other men in the house? A. Yes, several; they were all in there together, and the door was closed when I came up—Mr. Levy was there, and Esther Bridgman—I do not know whether they heard what passed—the prisoner spoke in English—he said, "What are you looking for?"—he speaks imperfectly—I do not know whether he said, "Me got no knife," or "I have got no knife;" he said, "I have no knife; my mates have got it, and they are gone"—he did not say, "My mates did it, and they are gone"—he said they had got it; as well as I could understand, he said, "My mates have got the knife, and they are gone"—he did make use of the word knife; I stated this at the police court.

JOHN COMLEY . I am a surgeon at No. 71, High Street, Whitechapel. I was called in on the night of 11th March, to attend the prosecutor—I found an incised wound on the forehead, about three inches long, extending to the bone, dividing a branch of the temporal artery; it had been made by a cutting instrument; it was decidedly dangerous—there was a superficial wound extending to the ear from the margin of the temple; there would be very little blood from that wound; the other would have caused a considerable effusion of blood immediately.

Cross-examined. Q. Might the wound on the forehead have been caused by a blow? A. No, both wounds were caused by an instrument; it was, in reality, one continuous wound from the temple to the side, and then continued to the ear, only one part was deep, and one part superficial; the force had apparently diminished as it was drawn down; it was done by one blow.

ELIZABETH JENNINGS . re-examined. At the time the blow was struck

Felix was on the stairs with his head in my arms; he was lying, and I was standing—his head was upwards. (The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY . of unlawfully wounding.— Confined One Year.

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515. SAMUEL SHUTER was charged, on the Coroner's Inquisition only, with feloniously killing and slaying Sophia Dean.

MR. W. J. PAYNE. conducted the Prosecution.

MARY ANNE DEAN . I am the wife of Samuel Dean, and live at No. 12, Turk's Head Yard, Clerkenwell. The deceased, Sophia Dean, was my husband's mother; she was about 50 years old; she lived at No. 10, Fryingpan Alley, Clerkenwell, with the prisoner, as his wife—on Tuesday, 24th Feb., she came to me about half past 1 o'clock in the morning—she had a blow on the side of the head, and was bleeding; it seemed as if it had been fresh done—I went with her to St. Bartholomew's Hospital; the doctor there saw her—I then took her home to Frying-pan Alley, and saw her next morning—she said that her head felt easier—I recommended her to go into the hospital on the following Friday—when she complained of her head, she said that it throbbed and shooted—she had no other wound.

Prisoner. Q. Had she not for some years been subject to erysipelas? A. Not to my knowledge—she was ill after the time she had the typhus fever, about three years ago—she complained of her breath and cough.

WILLIAM JAMES DANIELS . I am one of the house surgeons of St. Bartholomew's Hospital. I saw the deceased on Tuesday morning, between 1 and 2 o'clock, when she was brought to the hospital—she had a wound on the upper part of the head, on the scalp, about three quarters of an inch long; it was not bleeding then—it appeared to be recent—I dressed it, and she left—I saw her again on the following Friday week; she then had erysipelas—she came again on the Saturday, and then became an in-patient; the erysipelas was rather worse than the day before—she died on the Monday night or Tuesday morning—there was a post mortem examination—I was present, but did not make it—the erysipelas was the cause of death—erysipelas frequently follows wounds on the head—she had it somewhat severely, and it followed the wound—in my judgment it was caused by the wound on the head, from its being confined to the head and face, and from it so frequently following a wound on the head—a blunt instrument would have inflicted such a wound; it is possible that a person's knuckles may have done it, but only barely possible I think—I found nothing to cause the erysipelas but the wound on the head.

COURT. Q. You say that in your judgment the erysipelas was superinduced by the wound? A. I should think so—I am as certain of it as I can be, from only seeing the patient some ten days after the wound—I would not say so certainly; I have formed a confident opinion upon it.

WALTER CHIPPENDALE . I am one of the house surgeons of St. Bartholomew's Hospital. I did not see the deceased until she came on the Friday, ten days after she first came to the hospital—she was then suffering from severe erysipelas of the head and face—she came into the hospital on the next day, Saturday, and into the ward over which I have the supervision; I examined her head, I found a small scalp wound, about three quarters of an inch in length, situated nearly on the top of the head—she died on the Tuesday morning, about half past 1 o'clock—I made an examination of the body after death—in my judgment the erysipelas was the cause of death—I believe the wound was the exciting cause of that erysipelas—I found

nothing else to account for it; the other organs were tolerably healthy—I think it is not at all probable that a man's knuckles would produce such a wound; I think it must have been some blunt heavy instrument—judging from its situation, I should say it was not produced by a fall—I will not say a man's knuckles may not have caused it, it is possible, but not at all probable.

COURT. Q. Might it have arisen from natural causes, independent of the wound? A. I think the wound was the exciting cause; there might be a tendency to erysipelas—it is quite possible that the erysipelas might have been there without any wound, erysipelas more frequently attacks the head and face, even without any wound, but in my judgment the wound was the exciting cause, because it appeared principally to affect the very neighbourhood of the wound—it was more powerful there.

CHARLES CASE . I am clerk to the Coroner of London. I was present at the inquiry into the cause of the death, of the deceased—the prisoner was there, and made a voluntary statement—before he made it the Coroner duly cautioned him, that whatever he said might be brought forward in evidence against him—this is in the Coroner's handwriting—(Read; "I came home on the Monday night, last Monday fortnight, and when I got into the house my mistress, who was the deceased, was tipsy; by that means she began upon me before I hardly got in doors; the very answer I made to her was, 'You begin upon me directly I come home;' by that means she called me bad names, and told me to go to my wh—s; she did strike me, and I struck her; I have got the mark by the side of my ear now; I did not strike her with the stick, only with my fist; by that means I walked out of the place and got tipsy, and my son was abed, and I went to bed too; about 1 o'clock, or a little after, her forehead broke out bleeding, and I persuaded her to go to her daughter, to go with her to the hospital, and I had a hard matter to get her to go and do it.")

Prisoner's Defence. There is a gentleman here I wish to be called.

LEONARD MORSE GODDARD . I am a surgeon. I am the medical officer of Clerkenwell parish, and have been so for fifteen years; during the greater part of that time I have attended the deceased, for a variety of maladies; among those, delirium tremens; that is a disorder brought on by drinking ardent spirits to excess—I have also attended her once or twice for erysipelas of the face, and once of the arm; she was besides a very unhealthy person, subject to cough, bronchitis, and of such a constitution, in my judgment, that any slight circumstance might produce illness tending to shorten her life; I have so cautioned her over and over again very often—I trust it is not improper to add that I volunteer this statement.

Cross-examined by MR. W. J. PAYNE. Q. When was the last time you saw her with erysipelas of the face? A. I think not during this year; I attended her some time this year for a serious illness, the result of her intemperate life—I have heard the evidence in this case—inasmuch as she had had erysipelas before, it is an inference that she might have had it on this occasion, without the blow—I am not able to say that erysipelas does not often follow a blow; it does very often, but she had bad it without a blow often before that.

COURT. Q. Supposing a person was already labouring under erysipelas, would a blow on the head accelerate the disease? A. Most certainly; I may state further that the contact of a person having a blow, with another person having erysipelas or any extraneous cause of it, erysipelas would

follow—a wound would take on the character of erysipelas from contact with another person who had erysipelas.

WALTER CHIPPENDALE . re-examined. I was informed that the erysipelas had been in existence four days; I could not form any opinion from observing the character of the erysipelas—I first saw her on the Friday week.

WILLIAM JAMES DANIELS . re-examined. She had not erysipelas when I first saw her, nor any symptoms of it.


Before Mr. Recorder.

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516. JOHN BROWN was indicted for a robbery on John Powell, and stealing a watch; his property.

MR. SHARPE. conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN POWELL . I am a carpenter, and live at No. 1, Belvedere Place, Cambridge Heath Road, Middlesex. On the night of 27th March, between 10 and 11 o'clock, I was in Houndsditch; a tall man came in front of me, and then the prisoner came up on my right—the tall man asked me some place, and pretended to be a foreigner—at the same time the prisoner, with his right hand, grabbed me—my watch was in my trowsers pocket, attached to a guard, which was round my neck; I felt a something touch my ear; I drew my hand back, and felt the prisoner's left hand in my pocket, straight down—I laid hold of him by both arms, and threw him on the pavement, and said, "You scoundrel, you are trying to rob me," or something of that sort—the other man stooped down to his leg, and said, "He has hurt my leg"—as the prisoner was in the act of getting up, I felt a tug at my watch; I put up my hand, and there hung the two ends of my guard—the prisoner at once started off running towards Moses's; I ran after him; he doubled me in Houndsditch, and came back again by the side of the church yard, and then turned down Church Row—I came up with him, and then he doubled me again—I had nearly got hold of him; I called out, "Stop thief!" as well as I could—I did not lose sight of him until he ran against the policeman, in Aldgate; I lost sight of him then just for the moment that the policeman was in front of him, but I followed him up, and found him in custody; I could not have lost sight of him for half a minute—he ran perhaps eighteen yards, or something like that, after he had passed the policeman, before he was taken—I saw my watch produced by the witness Gooderham.

Cross-examined by MR. METCALFE. Q. Where had you come from just before this happened? A. I had been at Clarke's coffee house, over London Bridge—I left there about 9 o'clock—this happened between 10 and 11 o'clock—after leaving the coffee house, I called in at a public house in Leadenhall Street, with a friend; I had one glass of brandy and water there; I was in another public house after that—that was in Houndsditch—I was not there many minutes; I had one glass of brandy and water there—it is not often that I take it, but I was not very well in my inside that day—I was not tipsy—I do not know what became of the tall man, I kept my eyes on the prisoner—I had never seen either of them before—I was close to the prisoner's heels all the way.

GEORGE NETTLEFIELD . (City policeman, 646). A little before 11 o'clock on 27th March I saw the prisoner in Houndsditch, running from Aldgate Church towards Bishopsgate Church; the prosecutor was following about fifty yards behind him—the prisoner passed me; as he passed, he gave a kind of a laugh, and said, "What a lark!"—the prosecutor came up, and

passed me and cried, "Stop thief!"—I was going to follow the prisoner, but I saw he was going to turn down Church Row; he then turned round, and came towards me, and when he got within a few yards of me he made a rush at me to capsize me; I made a grasp at him, he avoided it, and ran towards Moses and Sons', at the corner of the Minories—I ran after him, and when I got within two yards of him I saw him make a kind of chuck with his right hand, and throw something away—at that time a young man who was passing, hearing me cry, "Stop thief!" ran up against him, and capsized him, and they both fell together; I then secured him—the prosecutor came up, and said, "That man has got my watch"—the witness Gooderham came up, and produced this watch, which he said he had just picked up; that was not above three yards from where I had seen the prisoner make the jerk—I did not lose sight of him at all.

JOSEPH GOODERHAM . I am a porter, at No. 6, Windsor Court, Monkwell Street, Falcon Square. On Friday night, 27th March, I saw two men running across the road, near the corner of the Minories; they fell to the ground; at the same time something passed me with a sort of humming noise, and alighted a few yards off; I went and picked up this watch; just at the moment a tall pale man with dark whiskers came up, and said it was his, and he would give the d—fellow in cheques—I would not give it to him—he tried to get it out of my hand, but I kept it, and gave it to the policeman.

GUILTY . Aged 28.— Confined Twelve Months.

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517. ALLEN BEAMISH , feloniously forging and uttering an order for the payment of 5l. 10s., with intent to defraud.

MR. METCALFE. conducted the Prosecution.

FREDERICK JOHN PADLEY . I am a mining broker, of No. 4, Union Court, Old Broad Street. The prisoner was employed by me as an errand boy and clerk—I was in the habit occasionally of sending him to my banker's with cheques—on 14th Feb. I gave him a cheque for 5l. on the London and Westminster Bank, Lothbury branch, to get change—he brought me back 5l.—at the time I gave it him it was simply a cheque for 5l., I am quite certain of that—that cheque is not here.

JOSEPH BROWN . (City policeman, 584). I had a cheque for 5l. 10s., which I received from Mr. Padley at the Mansion House—I have since had the misfortune to lose it out of my pocket when running after a thief—I have a copy of it.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. When did you receive it from Mr. Padley? A. After the examination at the Mansion House—I took it home, and put it into my writing desk—I took it out again three or four days afterwards, to take to the station, to have the instructions for the indictment made out; I then put it into my side pocket, and in coming through the street with another constable we followed two pickpockets; and when I came to search for the cheques, to put them into the desk again, they were gone—I immediately made every search for them about the neighbourhood, and at the Mansion House and station, but could not find them.

FREDERICK JOHN PADLEY . (continued). I saw the cheque afterwards, when it was returned from the banker's; it was then altered from 5l. to 5l. 10s.; the word "ten" was inserted in the body of the cheque, and the figure "1" before the "0" in the shillings—I should say that was done in the prisoner's writing, but I would not swear to it; it is my belief—the cheque was returned to me on the morning of 23rd Feb., in the pass book;

I sent the prisoner for the pass book; I found entered in the pass book a cheque for 3l., two for 4l., and one other for 3l., but I did not find corresponding cheques in the pocket of the book—no such cheques had been drawn by me—I called the prisoner in, and asked him if he knew anything about any of these cheques—he said, "No"—I then went on to the bank, and made some inquiry—I then returned, and saw the prisoner, and sent for his father; in the mean time I locked the prisoner in a room—when I went to the room about ten or twenty minutes afterwards, it was empty; the prisoner was gone, and the window was open; I found a paper on the table, with the words, "I am gone, and you will hear of me no more"—that was in the prisoner's writing—I also found my name written on the paper once or twice, and the word "ten"—that paper was given in charge to the policeman, and lost with the others—a day or two after I received 4l. 19s. 6d. from Mr. Trentazell—a cheque for 4l. was also lost, dated 23rd Feb.—no part of that was my writing or written by my authority; I believe it to have been written by the prisoner—I kept my cheque book in a drawer in the office—it is here—three cheques have been taken out, counterfoils and all.

Cross-examined. Q. How long had this lad been in your service? A. Nearly two years—he is about fourteen years of age—he does not look a day older than when he came—I am quite convinced I had not made out this cheque for 5l. 10s.; I cannot be mistaken about it—the word "ten" is not my writing, and I have the counterfoil with my 5l. that I sent for in my own writing—I always look twice at my cheques before I send them—it was in the morning that I gave him the cheque—he was always very quick on a message; I have no doubt he returned very quickly—this was the earliest suspicion I had about anything wrong—some mining directors were in the habit of coming to my office—I am not aware that one or two of them were of doubtful character—I believe a person named Bridge has been to my place once or twice; I am not aware that I ever cautioned the prisoner to watch against him when he was there, or said that I considered him a thief; I swear that—I was not in the habit of sending the prisoner out for liquor when the mining directors came—I have had friends there, and when I have wanted anything of the sort I have sent the boy for it—I never asked him to drink any neat spirits, nor did any of my friends that I am aware of—I did not swear at him, and threaten to knock him down with the ruler if he did not tell me what had become of the cheques—I did not threaten to send him to Newgate, and have him fed on bread and water; I might have said he would be transported; it was about 1 or 2 o'clock in the day that I sent for his father; it was between 12 and 1 o'clock that I had sent the boy for the pass book—it was half past 5 o'clock that 1 opened the door, and found he was gone—I may have said something of this sort to the father, "Allen says he knows nothing about them; I have examined and searched him, and can find nothing to prove him guilty"—I do not recollect the father asking me if I had examined my cheque book to see if the numbers were right—my cheque book has the same number running throughout—I may have opened my drawer, and shown the father where I kept my cheque book—he said he would bring the boy as soon as he came home—the father came one day afterwards, I cannot say that it was on the 25th—I then called his attention to the drawer and to some chips that were about—I am not aware that he said it was strange that I had not shown him the chips on the Monday, or said that there was anything wrong about the drawer; I will not swear that he did not say so—the

chips were inside the drawer, not on the floor; they were merely a few chips broken off the edges, as if some instrument had been put into the drawer—I told the father on one day that Brown, the officer, had told me that he had seen the prisoner in Newgate, and that he had admitted that he had destroyed the cheque or cheques; the father came to me two or three times—he brought the boy to me, I cannot recollect the day, and I asked him about the cheques, and I said to the father, "You had better take the boy, and take care of him; he is much better under your custody than being given in charge to the police"—I generally found the boy there when I got to the office in the morning, but I suppose the office was opened for the purpose of being cleaned before he got there—the 5l. 10s. cheque was in the pass book when it was brought home—the other cheques I have never seen, except the one for 4l.—I never sent any present to the boy's mother; I never sent a tortoise made of sealing wax as a relish for her tea—I swear most distinctly I never sent messages to his mother—I never sent her any coals with a letter telling her how to light her fire, nor did I afterwards, when I came to my senses, send an apology saying I was sorry for what I had done—this is the first time I have heard that I was in the habit of drinking and doing such silly things—I am not aware that I ever got into a state of intoxication; I cannot say I never did, but I swear positively I never sent any such messages, in fact I do not think I even knew that the boy had a mother.

MR. METCALFF. Q. You speak of a drawer, was that the drawer in which your cheque book was kept? A. Yes, I kept that locked—I found that the lock had been tampered with, so much so that I have been obliged to have the lock off since.

THOMAS WAREHAM . I am a cashier in the London and Westminster Bank, Lothbury branch; Mr. Padley keeps an account there. On 23rd Feb. I paid a cheque for 4l., which the constable, Brown, showed me at the police court, to a boy, I cannot say it was the prisoner—an order for a pass book was given to me at the same time, by the same person, and I sent him to the other end of the counter for it—soon after I received some directions, in consequence of which I sent the cheque to Mr. Padley—I have not got my book here, but I have a distinct recollection of entering the cheque, my attention was called to it the same day.

ALFRED HAYNES . I am a clerk at the Lothbury branch of the London and Westminster Bank. It is my duty to make up the pass books—these entries in this pass book, on 12th, 14th, 16th, 19th, and 21st are in my handwriting—when I make up the entries I always put the cancelled cheques into the pocket of the book—I did so when I made this up; there ought to have been cheques corresponding with those entries on those dates—the prisoner brought a written order from Mr. Padley for this book, and I gave it to him; I think it was on the 23rd.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you mean to say that you have a distinct recollection of giving the pass book to the prisoner? A. Yes, I have—I have not got the written order here—I make up the debit side of the pass book from the cheques—the credit I make up from the bank book—I am sure the cheques were in the book when it was given to the prisoner.

JOHN RUGG . I am a cashier at the London and Westminster Bank, Lothbury branch. The cheque for 5l. 10s., which was produced to me at the police court, I paid over the counter in the usual way, I do not know to whom.

Cross-examined. Q. How do you know you paid 5l. 10s., and not 3l.

A. by the entry in my book, the book is not here; I have no recollection about it—I should not have paid 5l. 10s., if the cheque had been for 3l.

RODOLPH TRENTAZELL . I am clerk to Mr. Holdforth, of Union Court, next door to Mr. Padley's, there is a wall between. On 23rd Feb., between 4 and 5 o'clock, I saw the prisoner get over the wall from Mr. Padley's yard, into ours—just before he got over, I picked up some money, and a few minutes after I heard some more drop in our yard, and I picked that up too—I could not tell where it dropped from—there was 4l. 19s. 6d. altogether—when the prisoner came over, he said that Mr. Padley had dropped the money out of his pocket, and I was to give it to him—I said if it belonged to Mr. Padley, I dare say Mr. Padley could come for it himself—I afterwards gave it up to Mr. Padley.

Cross-examined. Q. How long did you keep it before you gave it up? A. From Monday evening till Thursday morning—I did not go to him before because I thought He could come for it; the fact is, I did not believe that it belonged to him, or to the prisoner either, and I meant to keep it till somebody came to claim it—I heard something, in consequence of which I took the money to Mr. Padley.

JOSEPH BROWN . re-examined. On 5th March I took the prisoner into custody—on the way to the station I told him that he had been forging some cheques upon his master, Mr. Padley—he said, "It is all right, old Padley has got nothing to halloo about, for he has got 4l. 19s. 6d. instead of 4l. "—he said that Mr. Padley had locked him into a room, that he had thrown the money into a dust bin in an adjoining yard, that he afterwards made his escape from the second floor window, where he had thrown the money from, and that the money had been picked up by a gentleman in the adjoining house, and returned to Mr. Padley—I asked him how he could think of forging his master's name—he said, "Oh! anybody could do that, he joins it altogether, and I done the same; I can write a good deal better than he can."

Cross-examined. Q. You say you told him he had forged some cheques on his master; how did you know that? A. I had heard so from a gentleman who gave me instructions to take him on another charge, Mr. Foxall, of Billingsgate Market—I have had several conversations with the prisoner's father—I told him that I had asked the lad if he had any accomplices, and that he said he had not—I also told him that I had asked the prisoner whether his father encouraged him in this, and that he looked me in the face, and said, "My father would rather see me die than steal"—I did not have any conversation with the boy in Newgate, I never told Mr. Padley that I had—I told him that the boy had stated on the way to the station that he had destroyed the cheques on his way from the bank with the pass book.

GUILTY . Aged 14.— Confined Six Months, and detained three Years in a Reformatory.

NEW COURT.—Saturday, April 11th, 1857.

PRESENT—Sir PETER LAURIE., Knt., Ald.; Sir JAMES DUKE., Bart., Ald; Mr. Ald. SIDNEY.; Mr. Ald. CARTER.; and Mr. COMMON SERJEANT.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Fifth Jury.

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518. EDWARD BEARD and JAMES DENNIS , stealing 73 pieces of ivory, value 120l.; the goods of Mary Amelia Rudd.—2nd COUNT., receiving the same.

MR. COOPER. conducted the Prosecution.

RICHARD WILLIAM CLAVERIE . I am carman to Mary Amelia Rudd, a carwoman, who has an office in Billiter Street On 19th Dec. I received ninety—two elephants' teeth, to take to Mr. Carter's—about half past 4 o'clock that day I left the cart in Fenchurch Street, and went to the office—I was away about four minutes; when I returned the cart was gone—I saw nothing more of it till it was brought back empty—the ivory in it weighed 5 cwt—I was here in Jan. last when Pickard was tried (See page 447).

Cross-examined by MR. THOMPSON. Q. Do you know that Arnold and Hurley have been taken up on suspicion of stealing this ivory? A. Yes, and they were discharged.

JOHN PAYNE . I am delivery foreman at the London Docks. On 19th Dec. I delivered to Claverie ninety—two elephants' tusks, marked "T. C," and the Dock mark was 100—that was the Company's mark and the Dock look.

Cross-examined. Q. What is your duty? A. To deliver the goods when they are applied for—I personally saw the goods taken from the warehouse and loaded into the cart—I compared them with the warrant, saw them carried out of the warehouse, weighed, and loaded into the cart—I know the marks from an entry in the books—I have no recollection except from the books—my book is not here.

MR. COOPER. Q. You looked at your book, and did that restore your memory as to these things? A. Yes, I have it now in my memory.

WILLIAM CARTER . I am an ivory dealer, in Primrose Street, Bishopsgate. I employed Mrs. Rudd to bring that ivory from the Docks to my premises—it was never delivered—it was worth about 127l.

THOMAS FREDERICK RUDD . I am in the employ of Mrs. Mary Amelia Rudd, and am her son. I remember the cart and ivory being lost on 19th Dec.—I saw Beard about the street that day, about half an hour before we lost the cart.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you ever said that before? A. I believe so—Billiter Street is a mile and a half from Queen Anne Street, Whitechapel—I have known Beard ten years, he had been in our employ—I believe he has been accustomed to drive carts—I suppose he goes about amongst the carmen for the purpose of getting jobs—there are many carmen living about there.

CHARLES JAMES SUMMAN . I live in Mapes Street, Bethnal Green Road. I knew Pickard, he came to me before Christmas for a horse and cart; Beard was with him—I asked Pickard what he wanted the horse and cart for—he said, pointing to Beard, "I am going to take that young man's things to the Docks."

Cross-examined. Q. Had you known Beard before? A. Not before that—I have seen him once since at my place—I recollect hearing him say that he never saw me before in his life, but I have seen him once since he came with Pickard—he came to my place on 2nd Feb. for a horse and cart—he wanted to go with it himself but I would not allow him to go.

COURT. Q. When he came on 2nd Feb. did you recognise him to be the person who had come with Pickard before Christmas? A. No, I did not, because he had got a large handkerchief round his face.

MR. COOPER. Q. You have seen him since that, and you see him now, are you now satisfied that he is the man that came with Pickard on the first occasion? A. I am satisfied he is.

JOHN KOSTER . I am a greengrocer, and live at Mile End. On 2nd Feb. the two prisoners came to me to borrow a cart and horse to remove two prickles of bottles—I said that I was not in the habit of lending the horse and cart, and I could not go myself—I had seen Dennis before—they had the horse and cart for about an hour and a half—they got in, and drove it away—I found it afterwards in possession of the officers—the name of Mundy was on it—I had lately taken it.

WILLIAM SMITH . (City policeman, 572). I went to the end of Farringdon Street, Holborn, on 2nd Feb., about 7 o'clock in the evening, and saw the two prisoners driving a horse and cart, which had baskets in it—I and my brother officer hired a cab, and followed it till we came to Red Lion Street—they turned into Red lion Street, and stopped the cart opposite the Red Lion public house—both the prisoners got out, and went into the public house; we stopped outside with the cab—the prisoners came out, and Beard got into the cart, and turned into Holborn, Dennis turned round the corner, and we lost sight of him—Beard drove along towards Queen Street, and we followed him—when the cart arrived at the end of Queen Street it went rather slowly—we got out of the cab, and stopped the horse—I got into the cart; I put my hand into one of the baskets, and came in contact with one of the tusks—I said to Beard, "What have you here?"—he said, "It is not mine"—I said, "Where are you going?"—he said, "I don't know; a man employed me in Tooley Street, and gave me half a crown to drive the cart for him"—I said, "Who is the man?"—he said, "I don't know"—I said, "I shall take you into custody for stealing these things"—he said, "All right, old fellow; I can't help it"—I took Beard into custody, and Brown drove the cart—in going down Holborn Hill, Beard directed our attention, and said some one was running after us, and that was the man that hired him—there were a great many persons about, and we did not know but that Beard's statement might be a ruse, and we drove on—we saw some one running, but I could not say who it was—when we got to the station I examined the baskets, and found in them seventy-three elephant's teeth—Beard did not say anything at the station—on 27th Feb. I went after Dennis—we traced him to a place, and went into the house, and as soon as we got to the bottom of the stairs, we saw Dennis making his exit from another room—I called him by name, and he answered me—I told him we were officers, and we must speak with him—we told him we came to take him for being concerned with a person named Beard, now awaiting his trial at the Central Criminal Court, for stealing elephants' tusks—I said, "You need not answer any questions that I put to you, unless you think well: Do you know Beard?"—he hesitated a while, and said that he did not; but after a while he said that he did—I said, "You went with him to hire a cart of a person named Coster"—he said, "I know nothing about the cart; I know nothing about the transaction"—he afterwards said, Well, I did hire a cart, and Beard went with me"—when we got to the station, he said, "I have been sold, and I will split on the whole b—lot"—he said, before he got to the station, "A man named Jones hired me to hire the cart"—I saw the cart, it had on it, "William Mundy, Bethnal Green Road"—I have looked at the other teeth that I had when Pickard was in custody, and these (produced), have the same marks—Pickard was tried on 2nd Feb.—he had been in custody some time before that.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you have Arnold and Hurley in custody? A. Yes—I know Mr. Beckwith—I did not receive information from any one—our

attention was called by the conduct of the prisoners, knowing they were in the neighbourhood at the time—Dennis mentioned the name of Jones—he did not mention any one else.

Dennis. It was Jones, in Bishopsgate Street, that I hired the cart for, and this officer went to him; he gave us the prickles and all. Witness. Yes, I did—I saw the person whom he sent us to—we searched the place at his wish, and discovered nothing—I saw his brother, who had been on board a man of war—he said he knew nothing of the transaction—we went to his place on more than one occasion.

Dennis. I was having my tea when you came. Witness. No; you were making your way from one room to another—we allowed you to have your tea before you came away—the public house I speak of is at the corner of Red Lion Street.

WILLIAM CARTER . re-examined. I have seen the sample of the seventy-three teeth—they are mine, most unquestionably.

Dennis's Defence. I was employed by Jones; the officer said that he went to him and could not see him, but it appears he has seen him; that is the man that hired me; the things were packed at his place, that is all I know about it; I hired the cart and horse, and I was to take it to the Cock, in Dunk Street, Spitalfields.

BEARD— GUILTY . of Stealing. Aged 21.— Confined Twelve Months.

DENNIS— GUILTY . * of Receiving. Aged 42.— Transported for Fourteen Years.

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519. MARIA JONES , robbery on Edward Connolly, and stealing from his person 1 watch, value 6l., his property.

MR. POWELL. conducted the Prosecution.

EDWARD CONNOLLY . I live in Lambeth. On Sunday, 29th March, I was in Victoria Street, Westminster, about 10 o'clock at night—I was walking towards Westminster, to turn down the Abbey Yard, to go home—the prisoner came up to me and began to talk; she asked me to go home with her—I refused, and pushed her away—she followed me into the Abbey Yard—I said, "It is no use your following me, I won't go home with you"—I felt my watch taken, and felt the guard broken—I accused her of stealing it—it was worth 6l.—she began to throw herself about—I took hold of her, and endeavoured to get my watch—she bit my arm through—I called for a policeman—I was sober—a policeman came and took the prisoner on the spot—going to the station another policeman came up, and on the way the prisoner called to three women on the other side of the way—she called some name; I could not say what name—this is my watch.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLEY. Q. How do you know it? A. by the No. 1205, and the maker's name, Soloman Foss, Reading—the prisoner was sober, I am sure of that; I did not see any signs of intoxication as we went along—she followed me perfectly straight—I did not see her take my watch, but I found she took it—after I accused her of taking it she remained, but I held her so tightly she could not have gone away.

FRANCIS SCOTT . (Policeman, B 206). I was just relieved from duty, and was going home—I met two gentlemen in Strutton Ground, who spoke to me, and by their order I went to the Abbey Yard—I found the prisoner, and one of the A. division holding her hand, and 42 B was looking for the watch—I heard the prisoner call on two occasions—she called one girl, and next she called to three women, who were coming down, and put her hand out—I pushed the women away, and the prisoner put her hand under her

shawl—I put my hand under her shawl, and with great resistance I took this watch from her left hand—the prosecutor was as sober as I am now.

Cross-examined. Q. What time was it? A. About half past 10 o'clock at night—I had known the prisoner before about the street—I can swear by her conversation, and her way of acting, that she was not under the influence of liquor—I was with her about twenty minutes.

GUILTY .—She was also charged with having been before convicted.

THOMAS WALKER . (Police sergeant, B 42). I produce a certificate—(Read: "Guildhall, Westminster, Aug., 1856; Maria Jones, Convicted of stealing two boots from the person; Confined three months")—the prisoner is the person—I was present at the trial.

GUILTY. Aged 30.—Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor.— Confined Twelve Months.

Reference Number: t18570406-520

520. JOHN SAMUEL BENNETT , GEORGE CUTHBERT GRAHAM , alias James Patey , GEORGE SAUNDERS , and JAMES HUMPHREYS , stealing 13 metal rods, value 14l., the goods of Edward Budd and others, the masters of Bennett, in a barge, on the navigable river Thames.—2nd COUNT., receiving the same.

MESSRS. COOPER. and TINDAL ATKINSON. conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS TIMS . I reside at Castle Baynard Wharf, Upper Thames Street, and am a lighterman. I do the lightering work for Vivian and Son, coppersmith—on 12th Feb. I superintended the loading of 300 metal rods belonging to them—they were placed in the barge Caroline—the prisoner Bennett was employed to take them in the barge—he had been in my employ before—they were counted by tallies from the wharf—they were delivered to Bennett by Crisp, who is in the employ of Vivian and Son—when the bars were loaded, I asked Bennett how many he had got—he said 300—I told him to moor the barge and cover them over, and go with them in the morning to the Concordia, Rotterdam steamer—the loading was completed about half past 4, or a quarter before 5 o'clock—Bennett then left, and at a quarter past 7 o'clock a person was placed in charge of the barge—from a quarter before 5 till a quarter past 7 o'clock it was left alone—at a quarter past 7 o'clock Shepherd was sent on board to watch—the next morning I saw Bennett take the barge away—I next saw Bennett about 1 o'clock in the day—he came and told me that there was a dispute about the tally of the goods—he said there were three in dispute—I told him to go back and tell Wood that I insisted on the goods being turned over, as I would not allow them to pass—Bennett then left me, and he came back about 5 o'clock, and said that they could not be turned over, as there were thirty tons of goods to be moved before they could do it—I told him to meet me on the Saturday morning, by 9 o'clock, at the corner of Paul's Wharf, as I was going to take him to the Concordia, to see what state they were in—I went on Saturday morning to Paul's Wharf but Bennett was not there—I did not see him during that Saturday—I went to the Concordia on that day, but I did not find Bennett there—I saw him on the Monday at Paul's Wharf, between 9 and 10 o'clock—I asked him what was the reason he did not come to me on the Saturday; he said he overslept himself, but he came to Paul's Wharf, and I was gone.

Cross-examined by MR. LAXTON. Q. Do not mistakes often occur? A. There might be a mistake of one or so—Bennett took the barge away about half past 6 o'clock in the morning—Shepherd had gone away before that—I was there about half an hour before the barge went away—I was on the

coal barges part of the time—I was not in any house after 6 o'clock that morning.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. What are you? A. Lighterman to Vivian and Sons—I did not count the bars that morning—Crisp tallied them into the barge; he counted them from the warehouse and put them over to Bennett—he hands two bolts at a time till he comes up to twenty, and then he makes a mark—Bennett was in the barge and received them—I cannot tell whether Bennett kept any tally—Bennett was engaged for that job, and for the next day's work—he left that evening about 5 o'clock—he left the barge there with the bars in it, and was to return next morning, about half past 6 o'clock, and take the barge away—he was to have brought back a receipt from the Concordia—he did not bring any; he said he would not take it as there were three in dispute—I always tell my men never to take a bad receipt—the bars were delivered on Friday, the 13th—he came and said that he had no receipt, he had refused to take one—on Saturday morning I waited at Paul's Wharf ten minutes, or a quarter of an hour, or twenty minutes—I saw him at Paul's Wharf on the Monday, and he stated he had come to Paul's Wharf on Saturday, but I was gone.

CHARLES CRISP . I live at Wardrobe Terrace, Doctors' Commons, and am in the service of Vivian and Co. On 12th Feb. I tallied 300 metal bars into the barge Caroline; I delivered them to Bennett, who was in the barge, and he was to check them—I handed them two at a time, and when they came to twenty we put a mark, each of us checked them—the loading was over about half past 4 o'clock; when it was finished I called out 300, and Bennett said, "Yes"—some time after I heard a dispute about three.

COURT. Q. Did Bennett look at any mark? A. No; I do not know whether he made any chalk mark—I gave them to him in twos—I swear I delivered 300.

MR. COOPER. Q. Did Bennett come to the wharf the next day? A. I did not see him—it might be five or six days before I saw him again—I saw him then in the White Lion public house, in Thames Street—I said to him, "I have not seen you down at the wharf"—he said, "No, on account of the bolts being wrong"—he said, "I did not watch the barge."

Cross-examined by MR. LAXTON. Q. You did not count those bars twice over? A. No, only once.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. How long did all this tallying take? A. About three quarters of an hour—I had no beer during that time—I do not know whether Bennett made any mark—when I gave him two he knew he had received two; if I had given him but one, and called two, he would not have been satisfied—I did not see him leave the wharf—I left the loop hole, and went down—these rods were laid down in the barge; they did not half fill it—I cannot say whether they were left exposed all night—I had done with them—I had done duty—I came the next morning about half past 8 o'clock—the barge was gone then—I did not know that Bennett was to take the barge away the next morning.

COURT. Q. Was it Bennett's duty to make any chalk marks? A. They generally do make marks,; I did not see him make any—he could see the marks that I made if he looked; they were put by the side of the loophole.

WILLIAM SHEPHERD . I am a lighterman—I am son-in-law to Tims. On 12th Feb. I was employed by him to watch the barge Caroline, lying off Castle Baynard Wharf—I went to her about a quarter past 7 o'clock in the evening on 12th Feb.—I watched during the night—I did not leave her at

all—about half past six o'clock in the morning the men came to their work—I left about half past six—I left the men with the coal barges to watch.

Cross-examined. Q. Where were you all night? A. In the barge—I left at half past 6 o'clock; I did not return again to the wharf.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLEY. Q. Did you find any one watching the barge when you got there? A. No—I did not sleep that night, because I had the face ache—I might have gone to sleep—I had a pint and a half of beer as a little refreshment.

Saunders. Q. Was there a fire in the barge? A. Yes—there were other barges there; I do not know how many; there were others at the stern of the Caroline—I did not notice whether there was anything missing in the morning—I did not take anything with me when I went on board.

JOSEPH BATHE . I am a lighterman in the service of Mr. White, of Upper Thames Street, the next wharf to Vivian and Sons. On 12th Feb we had a barge called the Thomas—I moored tier that afternoon outside of all the other craft, and left her there; between four and five o'clock the next morning I missed her; I gave information to the police, and they found her on the following Saturday—I went on board of her at Whitefriars on the Sunday morning; there was one oar in her, which was one of a pair which I missed from another barge—there were no oars in the Thomas when I left her.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. Is it uncommon to lose a barge for a day or two? A. Sometimes it might be so—that barge might have gone adrift; I do not know whether she did that night.

Saunders. Q. Were there oars in her? A. Not when she laid at the wharf—I do not know where the Caroline laid—I found the Thomas about a quarter of a mile from our wharf—I have very often found a barge adrift.

COURT. Q. Could it have drifted from one wharf to another? A. It might have done so, but I cannot swear how it was—she laid outside, and was tied with a rope to another barge of ours; the other barge was safe the next morning; the rope was gone; it was the headfast of the Thomas.

JAMES WOOD . I am mate of the Concordia steamer to Rotterdam. On 13th Feb. I received a quantity of metal rods; Bennett brought them—I did not take the tally—we take the tally up to ten, and then make a chalk mark—on our arrival at Rotterdam I found thirteen short—I found 287—I counted them myself five or six times—they were placed in the lower aft hold—when they were shipped I had some conversation with Bennett about them; he wanted them turned over again after we had taken them in on account of the tally being short—I told him I could not do it, I was driven up for time, and there was more to take in—he did not say any number to me—the other cargo, about 200 tons, was placed on the top of these bars—I did not see the cargo after we sailed—the battens were put down and locked—I recollect Mr. Tims coming to me about 10 o'clock.

Cross-examined by MR. LAXTON. Q. Were the 200 tons placed on those rods? A. Yes, directly the rods were put in, as fast as we could get it in—there were a great many men loading—the men did not go out of the vessel till the work was done.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. Had you given Bennett a receipt? A. No—I did not tally the rods into the vessel: the second mate did, and from what he told me I refused to give a receipt—Bennett asked me afterwards to turn the rods over; I refused to do it—I do not recollect his

saying that it must be done—he did not insist upon it—he would not take the receipt—he asked me if I would count them—he did not say that I must; no man can say that on board my ship; he said, "Will you count those rods over?"—he might have said it two or three times—he did not say it was treating him very badly not to count them over again—mistakes very seldom occur—I do not recollect another mistake—we never had a mistake from that party before—I never made a mistake in counting—I refused to count them, because we had other goods to take in; but if I had not been pressed for time I would have—I would have given him a good receipt if they had been correct.

JOHN NICHOLSON . I am second mate on board the Concordia. On 13th Feb. I was on board when Bennett brought the rods on board—I told them ten at a time—I call ten a tally—I made 297, and told him there were three short; he asked that they might be told over again—he went away and came back again, and asked for them to be turned over—he was answered that that could not be done—I did not count my tallies up till I arrived at Rotterdam—I then found there were thirteen rods short.

Cross-examined. MR. RIBTON. Q. Was Bennett in the barge? A. Yes; I cannot say whether he was handing the bars up or not—I was superintending the delivery of the bars to the vessel, and when they were all in, I said that there were three short, and he asked for them to be turned over again—Mr. Wood was not present till I went and called him—I cannot say that Bennett said I must count them over again—he went away and came back, and asked again for them to be turned over—he did not say that it was a hard case on him, that he was responsible; that I had made a mistake, and I must turn them over again—I cannot say whether he went to Mr. Wood—it was in consequence of what I told Mr. Wood that he refused to sign the receipt—I told Bennett there were three short—I cannot say whether he asked me to count them over again before I went to Mr. Wood; directly I found they were short I had to go and tell Mr. Wood, who was in the fore part of the ship—I told Mr. Wood there were three short—the man would not have taken a receipt for 297—he knew there were 300 to be delivered.

THOMAS CORNELIUS CHRISTY . I am a sack maker, of Long Acre—I know Graham, I have seen him before—his name is Patey—on Thursday, 12th Feb., I saw him in Thames Street, between 4 and 5 o'clock—he asked me whether there were any more parties taken for the lead robbery—I told him, "No"—he asked me whether I would have a glass of something to drink, and I had a glass of gin with him—I was going towards home, and he walked a little way with me—I left him just against the Temple—I saw him again on Saturday, 14th Feb., about the same place, and he said that he wished I was in the business I had been in, he would have done a good thing for me—he told me when he went home on Thursday night, a man was waiting to tell him where he could get some brass, and that he went and got it with two other men, and there was rather better than 2 cwt—at the time he was talking to me I saw the prisoner Bennett a little way off—Patey pointed to Bennett, and said that he was waiting to know whether the brass had been missed—he said that Bennett was a lighterman belonging to the barge, and he had to take the brass down to the ship, and he did not think that the brass would be missed till it got to it's destination—I had a glass of gin with him, and left him there—he told me there were three in it while we were having the gin, Saunders, and this lighterman—he

did not say the man's, name, only pointed him out to me, and himself, and his brother—he said, "I sold it for 5l., and gave them 30s. each, and I had 2l"—he said, "We got it out of the barge into Atkins' skiff, and put it into another barge"—he said it was done between 6 and 7 o'clock—on Thursday, 19th Feb., I saw a young man named Saunders, at Bankside—I said to him, "You have done very well with the brass"—he said, "It was not much; it was only 5l. between three of us;" that he received 8s. for taking the barge to Battersea, and got 30s. for his share.

Gross-examined by MR. LAXTON. Q. What are you? A. A sack maker, in Conduit Court, Long Acre. I have lived there two months—I have been in business till lately—I was a marine store dealer for the last two years and a half, up to Christmas last—I have been in trouble—I was not convicted of stealing a watch, but for an assault—I am quite sure that was the only time I was ever convicted—I kept a marine store shop—I gave that up I because business was very bad—I have not known Patey long—it may be rather better than three months—I have not known Saunders quite so long—I became acquainted with him by seeing him with Patey—I had drunk with Patey before at the Griffin—they had stolen some lead at the corner of Falcon Wharf—I gave information of that, and they could not find Patey—the conversation I had with Patey the first time was in Duke Street, Adelphi, and there he told me about this robbery—I was there at work at my father's, and Patey asked me to go and have something to drink—I was mending sacks under the Adelphi—Patey had seen me there—he repaired barges there—I was working not far off the barges, and Patey came to me—it was on 14th Feb. that he gave me the information about those rods—that was in Thames Street—my business led me there—I had been to Billingsgate to meet my brother-in-law, and coming back I met with Patey just against Paul's Wharf—he was standing against the public house, and he told me he had been a party to this robbery, and that he had received 5l. for the rods—I gave information about it to the Thames police—Mr. Tims came to me and asked about it—he knew it at the same time that the Thames police did—I was on friendly terms with Patey; I never had an angry word with him—he gave me this account without hesitation, in a public house—it was at the bar—there were no persons at the bar—I did not see any one else—we were in the public house ten minutes—it was at Bankside I met Saunders in the street, and he told me what he did—it was against the mud dock—I was coming from the Borough, and met him accidentally, and he gave me this information, and also pointed to the place where they fetched the lead from at the same time—I have been in trouble about an assault—I was never in trouble about any marine store dealing—at the time of this first conversation, I had only known these parties about a month—those were the exact words he gave me—I took them down in my bead—I cannot write—I gave information to the police on the Wednesday or Thursday following—I did not see the parties till then—I could have seen the police, but my work led me another way—I had not heard of this robbery of the brass before Patey told me—I did not know what he referred to till he told me—he might have said more than I have told you, but I do not recollect it—I do not remember anything that took place about that time.

MR. RIBTON. Q. How often have you been in custody? A. About four times—I have been at three police courts, Bow Street, Marlborough Street, and Clerkenwell; that is all—I have not been to Worship Street, or Marylebone—I have never been at Westminster—I have been twice at Bow Street

for assault—it is more than twelve months ago—I was not sent to prison, or fined—I was discharged—I was in prison for six weeks for an assault on my wife.

Q. Do you mean to swear that for the two assaults for which yon were at Bow Street, you were discharged on both? A. It is so long ago, I am sure I cannot recollect—I do not remember whether I was sent to prison for them—I was at Marl borough Street for another assault—the two assaults at Bow Street were on my wife, and for those I was discharged—I was sent to prison one for assaulting my wife—that was at Clerkenwell, four fears ago—I was twice at Bow Street, and twice at Marlborough Street; I do not believe I was any more times—once was for baying an arm chair—I was not charged with stealing it, but buying it; I got discharged for that—I was once charged with buying a watch, but was discharged—I have been out of business since Christmas, since then I have been working at my father's, making sacks—Patey pointed to where Bennett was, and said he was waiting to know about the brass—I did not know Bennett's name at that time—he was standing a little way off, and he said, "I am waiting to know whether the brass has been missed"—he said that Bennett was a lighterman, and took the brass down to the ship, and he did not think it would be missed till it got to it's destination—he said, "There was a man named Saunders, and the lighterman, and myself in the job"—he said, "I sold it for 5l., and gave them 30s. each, and kept 2l.; we got it out of the barge into Atkins' skiff, and put it into another barge, and that was done between 6 and 7 o'clock."

Q. How much money have you got for this? A. I have been paid 2l. for the loss of time—I received that on the Saturday night, when Mr. Tims came and asked me about it—it was on the Saturday I saw Patey, and about a fortnight afterwards Mr. Finnis came to me—I told him what I have told you—I told him I would not tell him till he paid me for my trouble—I have only had 2l.—I expect to get payment for the loss of time—I gave evidence in the lead stealing case against one of the parties—he was discharged because there was no prosecutor—(See Surrey Case).

Saunders. Q. Where was the first place you ever saw me? A. In the Adelphi—it might have been three weeks, before 19th Feb.—I do not recollect what day the lead robbery occurred—I do not know how long it is since I was a witness against you at Bow Street, I think it was about this day six weeks—I had seen you several times before—I had you looked up for the lead—I had seen you with Patey several times—I will swear it is more than two months ago that I first saw you—I should think it is within three months—I saw you four or five times in the Adelphi—you never spoke to me there; the first place you spoke to me was in a public house in Duke Street—you said very little to me—I did not have you looked up for stealing some lead—I did not say you were one of the parties who did steal it—other persons had been taken up about the lead before the 12th Feb.

EDWARD KNIGHT . I know Bennett; I saw him on 3rd March, early in the morning, with a number of other persons, coming out of the White Lion public house; he was complaining of having lost his situation—he said, amongst other things, that he had been sent with a man to count some rods, and when he went to the men, he could not count them, they would not let him count them, and he went again and they would not count them, and he considered it very hard that he had lost his situation—I sent another constable back to see these men, and some one said, "Hush! the policemen are listening"—Bennett then spoke in a much louder tone, and

said, "I don't care, I did not do it, but I know who did"—there was a female in the party, and she said, "Yes, a barge dropped down alongside, and they were put in it, and taken away"—that woman has been pointed out to me since as being Bennett's wife, but whether she is or not I cannot say—some altercation took place, and they left.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. What time was this? A. About 1 o'clock in the night—I think there were four or five there talking—I saw no other woman there; there were three or four men—I did not know that woman before—I had seen a woman like her, but I could not say it was her—I was ten or twenty yards from them—I heard at the police court the next morning that that woman was Bennett's wife—an officer told me so—I saw her at the police court.

WILLIAM SIMMONDS . (City policeman, 361). I know the prisoner Graham by the name of Patey, he lives in George Yard, Whitefriars—on Monday, 2nd March, I saw him go home shortly after 6 o'clock; Bennett went into the house after him—I waited outside, but did not see Bennett come out—I had seen him go there before, on the 26th or 27th Feb.

Cross-examined by MR. LAXTON. Q. What is Graham's right name? A. Patey, I believe—I do not know what name he generally went by—I believe him to be a lighterman, Bennett is a lighterman also—these men went in openly about 6 o'clock in the morning.

STEPHEN NORRIS . (Policeman, M 99). I know Graham by the name of Patey, and Saunders by the name of Happy Jack; his name is Connolly—I have known him about two years, and Graham about four years—I have seen Patey and Connolly together a great number of times—since Patey was taken I met Saunders in the Borough, about five weeks ago—I said to him, "Patey is in over the water, I understand"—he said, "Yes, I understand he is"—I saw him in Gravel Lane one night, a week or a fortnight before that, and he said, "Jem don't mind giving you a sovereign, if you don't say anything about the lead."

Cross-examined by MR. LAXTON. Q. What did you say to that? A. I said that I should not take him if he kept out of the way.

Saunders. Q. How long have you known me by the name of Connolly? A. Six or eight months—this is not the first time I have seen you in custody—I saw you at Bow Street six or seven weeks ago—I did not alter your name then, because I was not called on.

CHARLES THOMAS GAYLOR . (Policeman). I received information of the robbery of the brass bars on the morning of 3rd March, and I went the same evening to Park Cottage, Chelsea—the prisoner Humphreys lives there—he is a collector of metal, and old iron, and bones, and rags—it is a private house, with a garden in front of it—I did not find Humphreys at home, but I found him at a public house—I called him out into the street, and told him there had been a robbery on the water side, in the City, some metal had been taken out of a barge—I showed him this piece of metal rod, and asked him if he had bought any metal of this description of any one—he said that he had not, he had not bought any brass for a long time—I said to him, "Come under the lamp and look at it, as some persons call it yellow metal, and some brass"—he came under the lamp, and I showed it him, and he said, "If I had had any of that sort, I must have noticed it"—I then told him the rods were about twelve feet long, and I should like to see his books—I said, "Perhaps your sons have bought some in collecting"—he said his sons could not have bought anything, he was certain they had not, for everything they bought went through his hands; he even weighed the lead and

iron after them—I went to his house, and saw the book; I looked at it, and told him I could not find the entry of any brass—he said it was no use, he had not purchased any, it was not there—I told him he must consider himself in my custody for receiving the metal, knowing it to be stolen—I took him to the station, he was searched, and some money was found on him by another officer—I saw the metal weighed that was found, and I saw thirteen rods of similar metal and similar size weighed at the prosecutor's, they weighed 156 lbs.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. At what time of night was it you found Humphreys at the public house? A. About 8 o'clock; I had called there just before, and he had not come—I told him I was an officer—his three sons were at home, the eldest seemed to be about sixteen—I examined the large book: the little book, and the sons' book, a book he took out of his own pocket, were in the room—I only saw one book, I believe the other officer looked at one—I believe Humphreys does deal in brass; he had not any at all by him the—there were lots of old iron, and rags, and bones.

JAMES CHILD . I am the manager of the firm of Harton and Watts, No. 62, Shoe Lane, brass founders. On 17th Feb. the prisoner Humphrey brought 64 lbs. of old brass of this description, with other metal; I paid him 8 1/2 d. a pound for it—it came to 2l. 5s. 4d.; he gave me this receipt—his son afterwards brought some more like it—he brought on 21st Feb. 55 lbs.—the prisoner afterwards called, and I paid him for it 1l. 18s. 11 1/2 d.—on 27th Feb. the prisoner's son brought me 137 lbs. of similar metal, and I paid him 4l. 17s. 0 1/2 d.—all this, with the exception of 60 lbs., was melted—some of it has "V. S." on it.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. Did you observe any marks on them? A. No—the date of the first transaction was 17th March—I knew Humphreys, he had been in the habit of dealing with us in brass a long time—I gave him the full price, 8 1/2 d. a pound—there was some of a different description, for which I gave him 9d. a pound—I cannot tell whether what he brought has been melted, it was all mixed together—I cannot say that the brass he brought was not melted—I gave the officer the portions that remained on our premises that was not melted—I will not undertake to say that the portion which is brought here formed a part of the first lot which was brought to us by Humphreys—for aught I know, what he brought on 17th Feb. may have been melted—60 lbs. of the 256 lbs. I bought remained unmelted—I have occasionally bought a little of this sort of brass from other persons—after this first lot came in, we commenced melting directly—I told our men to melt a little of this at a time, so that it should not affect the other brass—that that was purchased of the son was sent back to be kept with this, to be used a small portion at a time—that that was bought on 27th I ordered to be put amongst the lot I bought on the 21st—it was my direction that it should not be mixed with other brass—the persons in our place knew that it was to be melted—the sons had come with the father before; they had never come alone before then—I have the receipts here—I told the son he had brought it at a wrong time, as I had no one in to examine it—he did not ask for the money—he looked at me—it was dinner time, between 1 and 2 o'clock—the men were all gone to dinner—I told him I could not attend to it, it had not been weighed—he did not wait till the men returned to weigh it—he left it without its being weighed—it was weighed in my presence when the father came—on the 21st the son said that his father would call for the

money—on the 27th, when the son came, he brought the metal, and had it weighed and settled for at the time—it was paid to the son—that was 137 lbs.—here is 60 lbs. which was not melted, and this may have come out of the 134 lbs.—these bolts are used for ship building instead of copper bolts.

MR. COOPER. Q. Was this all placed in one place? A. Yes—I saw it there.

ROBERT ALLEN . (City policeman, 321). I saw Patey on 5th March, in White Friars Street—I followed him, and said, "Jem!"—he turned round, and I said to him, "James Patey is your name?"—he said, "No, you are wrong"—I said, "I believe I am right, your name is Patey, and you live in White Friars"—he said that his name was George Cuthbert Graham, and he lived in Flynn Street, Blackfriars Road—I told him I should take him for being concerned with others in stealing thirteen rods of yellow metal or brass on 12th Feb. from a barge lying off Mr. Vivian's wharf—he said that he knew nothing about it—I took him to the station, and he gave the same name—I searched him, and found on him a duplicate of a handkerchief with the name of James Patey on it—he said, "You are right, that is my name; it is no use struggling any further; you cannot blame me for having a fight for it"—on Tuesday, 3rd March, I saw Humphreys I should think about five minutes' walk from Battersea Bridge—I asked him who he sold his brass to—he said that he did not deal in brass, but chiefly in rags and iron, and the only brass that he had sold was about 7 lbs. that he sold to Frost in Clerkenwell; that was the only dealings he had with brass lately, but he sold some about three years ago to Pontifex.

Cross-examined by MR. LAXTON. Q. Did Patey give you his address? A. Yes, I did not know him before.

EDWARD YOUNGER . I am chief clerk to Edward Rudd and others, trading under the name of Vivian and Son. On 13th Feb. we consigned to our agent at Rotterdam 300 bars—I have seen the bars produced here today—I find on them the initials that were on our's—this is our brass—the price of this metal is 1s. 1 1/4 d. a pound; it is sold for bolting together the timbers of a ship—those consigned to Rotterdam were three quarters of an inch—these produced are the same size—our order was for 300 three quarters of an inch.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. Do you sell these bars to a great many persons? A. Yes, to shipwrights and others, and the initials are on what we sell—there may be some that have not the initials on them—we charge 1s. 11 1/2 d. a pound for new bolts, but we take them back again at 11 1/2 d. a pound; what they may be worth to others I cannot say—if a person brought them back to me, and would take new, we should allow 11 1/2 d. a pound for them; if he did not take new, perhaps 1d. a pound less—these bars produced have never been used in a ship, they have been broken up.

MR. RIBTON. to THOMAS TIMS. Q. Did you not tell Bennett, when you saw him on the Monday, that you knew who had done it, and you knew where it had got to? A. No—I saw him on Sunday, and had some conversation with him—I did not tell him that I knew who had done it—I told him I heard that he was in it, and he took his oath that he knew nothing about it, and that he would give me every assistance to find who did it.

Saunder's Defence. On the night I was taken I was told about 4 o'clock in the evening that a policeman and Mr. Tims were inquiring for me;

I went after them; about 8 o'clock that night I was told they had been there again; they went to a place where I get my living, and went to the foreman, and asked where I lived; I heard they had gone up the court, and I went and found them, and said to the officer, "Do you want me?" he said, "No," and he called me several names; I hit him, and he said, "Go along about your business;" I said that I would not; about 11 o'clock that night the officer and four or five passed me, and he said, "That is one of them," and I was taken; this man who gave evidence against me gets his living by nothing else but thieving; he gets all the evidence he can, to get money—is it likely I should tell him that I committed a crime, who I never spoke to in my life? (Humphreys received a good character.)


HUMPHREYS— GUILTY . of receiving. Aged 46— Confined Two Years.

THIRD COURT.—Saturday, April 11th, 1857.


Before Michael Prendergast, Esq., and the First Jury.

Reference Number: t18570406-521

521. THOMAS DEERING and JOHN RICHMOND , stealing 2 coats, 2 pairs of trowsers, and other articles, value 10l.; the goods of John Head, in his dwelling house.

MR. PHILIPS. conducted the Prosecution

JOHN HEAD . (Policeman, E 89). I am living at No. 483, New Oxford Street, to take care of it; it is in my charge. On 25th March, I left home shortly before 2 o'clock in the afternoon, leaving my wife at home; I returned about forty minutes afterwards, and in consequence of what my wife said to me, I went to my bed room, which is on the second floor, and missed two sets of clothes, a silver watch and chain, four mantles, four pieces of silk, a pair of gloves, a neck tie, and a pair of braces; some of them have been found—we occupy the first floor as a sitting room—there is a back entrance in Hyde Street, Bloomsbury, a little street at the back of Oxford Street—my wife was in the sitting room when I left—I left by the back door, which was left open for the convenience of the parties who have got the house—the bed room door was not locked—when I went out, the prisoner Richmond was close to the back door; I could not step out without his moving.

COURT. Q. Are the things worth 5l.? A. They are worth 10l.—they cost more than that; one suit of clothes cost 5l., which I bought to be married in, and I had not worn them a dozen times—the watch and chain were worth 2l.

WILLIAM ASPENSHAW . (Police sergeant, L 15). On 28th March I went with Holmes to No. 10, Queen Street, Seven Dials, between 12 and 1 o'clock at night, to the front room, first floor—we knocked several times, and found Deering and a female and some children in the room—we took them into custody, gave one of the children to a friend outside the door, and took the other to the station, locking the door with a padlock, and taking the key with us—we returned in twenty minutes or half an hour, and found the lock as we left it—on searching the room, we found in an old tobacco box hanging over the mantel piece these three duplicates (produced), and in a cupboard these four pieces of silk; this neck tie was on the bed—when we first entered the room, Deering was. standing near the bed;

I said, "Do you live here?" he said, "Yes"—I asked if the female was his wife; he said, "Yes"—he afterwards said at the station that he lived in Stacey Street; I made inquiries, and found that that was false, but his mother lives there—it is about 200 yards off—his proper name is Michael Dempsey.

Cross-examined by MR. DOYLE. Q. Do you know this house in Queen Street, Seven Dials? A. Yes—it is not a brothel—I only know the woman by seeing her occasionally about the streets—she is in Court; she is not a witness, that I am aware of—she was remanded for a week by the Magistrate, and discharged last Saturday—I do not know that she is a woman of the town—I have ascertained since that another person lived in that room; there were two beds in it—it is not a room to which any man might go—I believe the woman is not the tenant.

COURT. Q. Are you sure he told you that he lived there? A. Yes, and that that was his wife—I asked him if they were his children, and he said, "Yes"—one is an infant, and the other about three years old.

MR. DOYLE. Q. And he is not sixteen yet? A. He gave his age as sixteen, but I got the fact from his mother that he is nineteen—the woman is about twenty.

WALTER HOLMES . (Policeman, F 50). I was with Aspenshaw at Queen Street, Seven Dials—about five minutes before we entered I was by myself but I wanted assistance, as I saw three men and a woman in the room—the blind was not down, and I could see distinctly who they were; there was a candle in the room—I saw the two prisoners and this female, and one who is not present—I went to that room with Aspenshaw, knocked several times, and could not get admittance—the door was fastened inside; we were obliged to force it open—(as we were going there I met Richmond and the one who is not in custody, coming in a direction from the house)—I tried to open the door—Deering said, "Who is there?" I said, "All right, Mike, open the door;" that is the name Deering is known by—he said, "Mike is not here"—I said, "It is all right, Mike" and told him I was a police constable, and insisted on coming in—I heard him going from the door and burst it open, and he and the female were in bed—he came towards me, and said, "I am not Mike"—I said, "It is no use your telling me that, I have come here respecting some stolen property"—he said, "I have got no stolen property here"—I said, "I shall search you;" he put his hands in his pocket, and said that I should not search him there; I said that I should—I got one hand out of his pocket, and tore the pocket—I got his other hand out, and found in it this skeleton key—he said, "I tell you what, I am not Mike, and if you will go I will show you Mike, and it shall be something worth your while"—I found this glove on the table, and he said, "That is my glove"—in the cupboard I found this, the fellow glove, seven skeleton keys, and other keys—the gloves are the prosecutor's—close to the gloves in the cupboard I found twenty other keys, of all descriptions, and these three black masks—on the Monday following I went to Clerkenwell Police Court, and found Richmond in custody on another charge, having been remanded from Saturday—I got him discharged there, to be brought up at Bow Street on this charge—I told him I should take him into custody for being concerned in stealing clothes from the dwelling house of a constable in New Oxford Street—he said, "I know nothing about it, this waistcoat I bought on the Dials, and this coat I have had eighteen months; you know that aint my game, my game, you know, is picking pockets"—I found on him this coat and waistcoat (produced) belonging to Head—Deering

said that the first glove I found was his, but said nothing about the other—these two skeleton keys were in the other glove—I do not know the woman—the house is not a brothel; there is not one in the street—Deering owned different things in the room—he said to me, "That is my old coat, that is my old waistcoat, and those are my old stockings."

Cross-examined. Q. On what floor is the room? A. The first floor front—I was standing opposite when I looked in—it is the height of an ordinary first floor—I was standing on the ground, but on the opposite side, and they were standing up—I knew the parties before, and am confident I knew their faces in the room; there was a candle on the table, and they were turning about in different directions—I could see the woman as well—I cannot say that I ever saw her in the streets, or ever saw her before—I believe the house is let out in different rooms—it belongs to a lodging house keeper, named Burke.

COURT. Q. Is it let out in beds? A. It is ready furnished; there are rooms which people take at so much a week—many hard working people live in the house, and I dare say there are three or four people to each room—I know most of them, but cannot say that I ever saw the woman before—it was the first time I had seen Deering there.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Do you know the other parties by name? A. No; I know most of them as labourers, jobbing about—I have seen them about for years.

GEORGE HOWARD . I am assistant to Mr. Wells, a pawnbroker, of No. 52, Broad Street, Bloomsbury. On 26th March, between 6 and 7 o'clock in the evening, I took in this silver watch (produced) from a person, who I believe to be Deering, in the name of Robert Deering—this is the duplicate I gave.

Cross-examined. Q. Is he like the person? A. Yes—I lent 15s., which was all he asked—I would have lent 20s. on it.

JOHN HEAD . re-examined. This coat, waistcoat, watch, neck tie, and gloves, are mine—I saw my coat and waistcoat found on Richmond—he said that he bought the waistcoat on the Dials, and the coat he had had eighteen months—I had only lost them on 28th—he afterwards stated that he bought the coat last week.

Cross-examined. Q. What is the value of the waistcoat? A. 8s. and the neck tie 2s., the coat 10s.—I have had it about two years—I lost two suits of clothes; I have never found the other suit—I gave 5l. for them—they were in a chest of drawers.

ELIZABETH HEAD . I am the wife of the last witness. These pieces of silk are mine—I last saw them in the bottom drawer, with my husband's two suits of clothes, and two mantles, a neck tie, and a pair of gloves—the pieces of silk were cut just as they are now; they are parts of a mantle; it was fit to make up—there were four mantles made up, besides three in the drawer, and one hung behind the door—I saw nobody about the premises—I gave 10 1/2 d. for these gloves, at a warehouse in the City—a friend of mine got them cheap for my husband, and I paid for them.

Richmond's Defence. I am innocent; I bought the coat and waistcoat at Seven Dials, for 8s.; I was seen at the door of the house, but you might have been walking up the street and have stood to consider of anything; there is nothing to show that I went into the room.

COURT. to WILLLIAM ASPENSHAW. Q. Was the female present when Deering said that she was his wife? A. Yes; she made no reply.

Deering stated that the female was not his wife, and wished her to be examined, but MR. DOYLE. did not call her.

RICHMOND— GUILTY . **. Aged 25.— Six Years Penal Servitude.

DEERING— GUILTY .—He was further charged with having been before convicted.

MICHAEL LUKE . (Policeman, C 61). I produce a certificate—(Read: "Middlesex Sessions; Nov. 1851, Michael Dempsey, Convicted of stealing a handkerchief from the person; Transported for ten years)—I was present—Deering is the man; I had him in custody.

GUILTY. Aged 27.— Six Tears Penal Servitude.

Reference Number: t18570406-522

522. JAMES GREEN was indicted for bigamy.

MR. HAUTHORNE. conducted the Prosecution.

MARY ANN CARTER . I am a widow, and live at Tottenham, and am sextoness of St. James the Great, Bethnal Green. I saw the prisoner married to Emma Mitchell, last Easter Monday, 24th March, by the Rev. Edward Cope—I signed, as they brought no witnesses with them.

GEORGE SMITH . (Policeman, N 99). I produce a certificate of marriage, which I got from Emma Mitchell—I have compared it with the register at St. James the Great; it is an exact copy—I have seen Emma Mitchell here—I did not know her before—I produce another certificate, which I have compared with the register of St. Leonard, Shoreditch; it is a true copy—I showed it to the Curate.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILIPPS. Q. How did you compare them? A. I had the book and the copy in my hand, and first read one and then the other, and the Curate and the Incumbent read them as well.

HENRY GARDINER . I am a sweep, and live at Norfolk Court, New Norfolk Street, Islington. I know Emma Green, her maiden name was Mitchell—that is her; she lived with me, as my wife, for nine years, previous to 24th March, and left me to go and marry Green—my wife has been ten years away from me—I have got the prisoner's wife back again, because he ran away from her—she was away from me from Easter Saturday till the following Thursday; and I took the second wife that lived with him, when he took mine away—directly he found that I took her home, he found another woman, and took her up to his place, and deserted her immediately.

COURT. Q. When he took your's, did you take his? A. Yes; the day after they were married I took her home to my place—we were all intoxicated; and as soon as he got her back he deserted her, and married the other woman within a month.—(Certificates read: "St. James the Great Bethnal Green; James Green and Emma Mitchell, married by banns, 24th March, 1856."—"St. Leonard, Shoreditch; James Green and Margaret Latlieff, married, 21st April, 1856.")

MARGARET LATLIEFT . I was married to the prisoner, by banns, on 21st April last; but previous to our marriage we lived together for eight years—he has always proved a very good husband to me, but this bad base woman has got him away, and taken two rings off her finger to pay for the marriage, to get him away from me—this man, Gardiner, has become a teetotaler on purpose to save up his money to punish him.

COURT. Q. Is he a teetotaler, out of spite, to get money to carry on the prosecution? A. Yes—his poor wife has become on the streets through him, from his turning her out of doors.

GUILTY . Aged 32.—Strongly recommended to mercy by the Jury.— Confined Three Months.

Reference Number: t18570406-523

523. BARNET LEVY and GEORGE WILLIAMS , stealing 1 bracelet, value 23l., and other articles value 27l., the goods of George Jessel, in his dwelling-house.

MR. DOYLE. conducted the Prosecution.

CHARLOTTE CROCKETT . I am housemaid to Mr. Jessel, of No. 8, Cleveland Square. On 29th June, I went up to my bed room, at the top of the house, at a little after 7 o'clock in the evening; I saw something pass the window outside, but cannot say what—you can walk on the gutter or on the parapet—I went down to my mistress's room, which is on the lower floor, about ten minutes afterwards, and missed a dressing case—my bed room window was open; it had been left open, it was not broken—a person might have got from the gutter in at the window and gone down stairs—the dressing case contained a necklace, a bracelet, a brooch, two scent bottles, and a handkerchief; I saw it safe at a little before six o'clock—it was worth 50l. with it's contents—there is an empty house a few doors off, from which it is possible for a person to get to that window—the dressing case was a foot long.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILIPPS. Q. Did you see anybody? A. No, only a shadow—there are no railings; any person can go along.

Cross-examined by MR. THOMPSON. Q. How long had you been in the room? A. Some minutes—the dressing case was locked; but it was open when I saw it—I know that the jewellery was in it, because my mistress had not got them on—she was at home—the shadow passed from the right, and turned back again.

MR. DOYLE. Q. Was the direction in which the shadow went, towards No. 12? A. Yes.

ANN COLLINS . I am housemaid at No. 7, Cleveland Square. On Thursday evening, 29th Jan., a little after 7 o'clock, I was going up stairs to my room, the back attic, and just at the top of the stairs I heard a key being turned in the wardrobe—I ran down, rang the bell, called the other servant, and all three of us went into the room, and found that the window had been broken open, and a mark on the cill, but nothing was removed from the wardrobe, and nothing was disturbed.

COURT. Q. Had you cried out, or made any noise? A. No—I had seen the window fast between 4 and 5 o'clock in the afternoon—I found the fastening broken off; and lying on the carpet—it was fast between four and five o'clock on that afternoon.

WALTER LEONARD . I am a fishmonger, of 14, Clipstone Street, Marylebone. On Tuesday evening, 29th Jan., about half past 7 o'clock I was in Cleveland Square—a boy told me something, and I saw the prisoners and a tall man, who had a square box about a foot long, come out of No. 12, which is unoccupied—the box was loosely covered with a handkerchief, but I saw one corner of it—the man with the box closed the door behind him—Levy walked first, and I walked up to him, thinking I knew him—I observed him closely; the other man was about three yards behind him, and the other half a yard behind him—I can swear that both the prisoners are the men—they walked on towards Charles Street, towards the Great Western Railway terminus, and got out of my sight—I waited in the square, and Williams returned, and said, "What are those policemen doing there?"—I recognised him again, and said, "There has been a robbery;" he said, "Have they got them?" I said, "I do not know;" he said, "Did they detect the servants, or did the servants detect them?" and then said, "The men must have detected the servants first"—this was about ten minutes afterwards, about a quarter to 8—I was joined by Lucy Fowler—Williams walked towards

the Great Western Railway again, and stopped at the corner, and we followed him on the opposite side of the way—I did not see a policeman, and he turned round Westbourne Terrace, and I lost sight of him.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. Are there houses intervening between No. 8 and No. 12. A. Yes—three and an empty one—the box struck my attention—I was close to them, and did not know them before—it was dark, but there was a lamp very near.

Cross-examined by MR. THOMPSON. Q. How long did you remain talking to Lucy? A. Five or six minutes after she came up—we walked together towards the railway, and parted company at the corner of Leinster-terrace, about half past 9 o'clock.

LUCY FOWLER . I am in service at No. 5, Harley Street. I was with the last witness, in Cleveland Square, at the time that Williams came up and asked what was the matter; Leonard said that a burglary had been committed—he asked if they were detected; Leonard said that the servant detected them—Williams said that they must have detected the servant before she detected them—I am sure Williams is the man.

Cross-examined by MR. THOMPSON. Q. Do you know anything about who came out? A. No—I was out for a walk—we watched them as far as the Great Western Railway, and then came back to Westbourne Terrace.

JOSEPH HGUHES . (Police sergeant, E 13). On the evening of 16th Feb. I was at the police station, and was called to Keppel Street—I saw Williams there, in custody of two constables—I found Levy on the opposite side, on the step of the opposite house, No. 12, and took him into custody—he was so violent that he broke away from me, but I had placed men around so that there should be no escape; he was stopped, and I got him again—something fell in the road, and when we got on the pavement, struggling together, I heard this double skeleton key drop from him; a little boy picked it up and gave it to me—I searched him, and in his left coat pocket behind I found this other skeleton key (produced)—I found another one broken in the area gate of the empty house, No. 12, Keppel Street—this crowbar was brought to the station and given to me—sergeant Potter went to the station, and received these keys from the inspector.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILLIPS. Q. How far was Williams from Levy when he was taken? A. Only about thirty yards; across the road—Levy was standing on the step of the door, arguing with some person, and was taken—Williams was not brought in custody to where Levy was; they brought Williams from where Levy was, leaving him behind—there was a great crowd.

ROBERT REDDER . I am a horse keeper, and live at No. 35, Thanet Street Burton Crescent. I was in Keppel Street, and saw Levy taken—I heard this crowbar drop when I was close alongside of him, and picked it up, and gave it to the policeman at the station—it must have dropped from him or the policeman, there was nobody else near enough.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILIPPS. Q. Was there a great crowd about? A. Not at that time.

JOSEPH HUGHES . re-examined. I am quite sure it did not drop from me—I had not taken a crowbar from anybody else.

THOMAS AMBROSE POTTER . (Police sergeant, D 16). On the morning of 30th Jan. I went to No. 8, Cleveland Square, examined it, and ascertained where the thieves entered; I then went to No. 12, an empty house, went up to the roof, and traced footmarks from the trap door, which was bolted, but I undid it; over No. 11 and No. 10, then over the roof to the front

gutter facing that to No. 8 and No. 7—there were toe marks and knee marks—there had been no rain in the night; it was very fine—I could see where the dirt had been taken off—the window of No. 7 had been forced from the outside, and distinct marks of a jemmy were left—I compared the marks with the jemmy on 28th Feb., and they fitted it—there were no marks on the casement where a corner of the jemmy was broken off—one of the skeleton keys undid the door at No. 12 which leads oat of the area into the kitchen.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILIPPS. Q. Can you undertake to say that the marks had been made on the slates within twenty-four hours? A. Yes, they were quite fresh—it was a very dry time just then; I believe we had a fortnight without rain.

Cross-examined by MR. THOMPSON. Q. How many doors did you try? A. A great many; I tried a dozen in the square, but that key would only open that one door, the kitchen door—I went there first because there was no key hole to the others—there were footmarks in the room at No. 7.


WILLIAMS— GUILTY . Aged 28.— Six Years Penal Servitude.

Levy was further charged with having been before convicted.

DENNIS CLARK . (Policeman, M 108). I produce a certificate—(Read: "Surrey Sessions; William Bentley, Convicted, July, 1852, of stealing a purse, and 4l. 10s., from the person, having then been before convicted; Transported for ten years")—I was present at the trial; Levy is the person—I had charge of the case.

GUILTY. Aged 26.— Six Years Penal Servitude.

Reference Number: t18570406-524

524. EDWARD SMITH , unlawfully attempting to steal a watch, from the person of William Saull.

WILLIAM SAULL . I went to vote at the Middlesex election, at Hammersmith—I stood with my back to a stall near the polling booth—the prisoner came in front of me, and I felt a tug at my watch, and found it hanging by the guard outside my pocket—the prisoner rushed into the crowd, and I after him—I laid hold of him by the collar, and he said, "It is not me; let me go, and I will show you who it is"—I kept him till the police came up.

Prisoner. I said, "Let me go; I will show you who it is;" and if he had let me go, I could have shown him the one that did do it. Witness. You were the person nearest to me.

TIMOTHY ARMSTRONG . I was standing on the pavement, talking to Mr. Saull, and saw the prisoner come towards us; he looked at Mr. Saull's guard—three ladies came up, and Mr. Saull said to the ladies and gentlemen on the pavement, "Make room; let the ladies pass;" and while he was looking round, the prisoner three different times attempted to take hold of his guard—the ladies passed, Mr. Saull looked round at the clock, and the prisoner made a rush, and took the guard in his hand, but it was so strong, he could not break it—I had my eye on him all the time; he ran off, and Mr. Saull after him—I am sure he is the man—I am a policeman, but was on sick leave; I had broken my wrist, and could not take him.

Prisoner. Q. Was not the pavement crowded at the time the gentleman accused me? A. No, there was a space so that anybody could pass down without touching.

Prisoners Defence. It was not me that pulled the watch out; there were plenty more young lads at the side of the gentleman; if I had done it, I should have begged his pardon, and asked to be let off.

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Three Months.

OLD COURT.—Monday, April 13th, 1857.


Before Mr. Recorder and the Third Jury.

Reference Number: t18570406-525

525. JOHN SCOTT was indicted for a robbery, together with two other persons, upon John Lewis, and stealing a breastpin, value 10s., his property.

MR. BAKER SMITH . conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN LEWIS . I am a banker's clerk, and reside at No. 81, Beresford Street, Walworth. On Sunday evening, 29th March, I was in King William Street, about 9 o'clock, there was a great crowd there—I had scarcely been there a minute before there was a rush made, and three men pressed me very tightly, the prisoner was one of them; they got my back close to the railings of the church in King William Street, at the bottom of Lombard Street, and the prisoner took my pin out of my handkerchief; I saw him most distinctly—he had on the same kind of jacket that he has now—he handed the pin to one of the men on my left, immediately across me, he was on my right; he immediately made away, I attempted to pursue him; the other two men tried to baulk me all they could, they pressed me tightly, and ran before me—I overtook the prisoner at the top of St. Swithin's Lane, as he was turning down there—I seized him, and said, "You have robbed me of my pin"—he denied it, and said, "Let me go"—he tried to throw me, and when he found he could not get away, he gave me a violent blow in the face—a policeman came up, and I gave him in charge—before the police-man came up, some men hallooed at me, and pushed me, and asked what I wanted with the man, that he had not done anything to me—I am quite certain the prisoner is the man that took my pin.

Prisoner. Q. Did you see me take the pin? A. Most distinctly.

THOMAS GREY MELTON . (City policeman, 580). On Sunday morning, 29th March, I was in King William Street, about 9 o'clock—I saw the prosecutor having hold of the prisoner, and a number of persons collected about them; I went to see what it was, and the prosecutor said, "He has robbed me of my gold pin, take him in charge"—the prisoner said, "You are a false man, I have done nothing, let me go"—he gave his address at the station, No. 20, Ewell Street, Blackfriars Road—I went there and made inquiries, and he was not known; there is no one here from the house.

Prisoner's Defence. I have lived there eighteen months, only my mother-in-law's name is Tibel, and mine is Scott; on Sunday evening fortnight, I was at a fire in King William Street; there were more hands than were wanted, and I was pushed into the crowd, this gentleman followed me, and said I had stolen his gold pin; I turned round quickly to see who it was, and he gave me in charge; I am quite innocent, there were thousands of people round the fire.

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Twelve Months.

Reference Number: t18570406-526

526. HENRY GOODEN was indicted for a robbery, together with another man, on Joseph Kaye, and stealing 1 medal, 4 bars, and 1 ribbon, value 14s. his property.

MR. THOMPSON. conducted the Prosecution.

JOSEPH KAYE . I am a private, in the third batallion of Grenadier Guards. On Sunday morning, 22nd Feb., about 10 minutes past 12 o'clock, I was coming home through Broadway, to go home to barracks—the prisoner came up and caught hold of my medal—I sent his arm back, and walked on,

when up came another, and hit me in the head, at the same time he caught hold of my medal—I collared hold of him, and pulled my belt off to the other man to keep him from assisting, and called for a policeman—the police-man came, and I saw the prisoner chuck my medal away; I still had hold of him—the policeman took hold of him, and I looked for my medal on the ground, but could not find it—it was fastened on my jacket, it was a Crimean medal, with four clasps—the value of it is about 14s.

Cross-examined by MR. SLEIGH. Q. There was a great crowd when this occurred, was there not? A. There were a good many about, there always is a crowd down that way—I had leave to be out till 1 o'clock—I was about half a mile from barracks; the Wellington Barracks are my barracks—I had left barracks at 9 o'clock, and had been to Grosvenor Square—I was not in a public house, just before this occurred, drinking with others—I had been into two public houses; one in South Audley Street, and one opposite Rochester Row—I left there about half past 11 o'clock—the prisoner was not in that house—I had never seen him before—none of my comrades were with me, nor any one—I did not take notice of any of the other persons—this occurred above half a mile from the public house—several persons were surrounding me—I had hold of the prisoner, I had plenty to do to hold him—there were not several men pressing round me before the medal was taken—there was no one crowding round me until the prisoner came up, and attempted to take my medal, then others came up to assist him—he was taken at the time—I was not the worse for liquor, I had only had three pints of beer that night; that would not affect me.

GEORGE DAVIS . I live at No. 2, St. Almon's Hill, Westminster. I was coming up the Broadway, and saw a man strike the soldier—I then saw the prisoner snatch the medal from his breast; the soldier collared him by the right arm, and kept him till a policeman came—I saw the prisoner chuck the medal away.

Cross-examined by MR. BAKER SMITH. Q. What o'clock was this? A. Ten minutes past 12—it was dark, but there were three or four gas lamps in the middle of the street opposite—I was about a yard and a half off when I saw the man strike the soldier—that was not the prisoner; I am sure that man did not take the medal, he was between me and the soldier.

DENNIS CARR . (Policeman, B 206). In consequence of a cry, I went to the Broadway, and saw the prosecutor holding the prisoner by the right arm with both his hands—as he held him, I saw the prisoner's hand go like that (jerking his hand)—I heard something drop like money, but I cannot say that it came from his hand—the prosecutor said he had stolen his medal and four bars—I searched for it, but could not find it—I took the prisoner to the station.

Cross-examined. Q. You did not see the prisoner snatch anything from the soldier? A. I did not; the first thing I saw was the prisoner in the soldier's grasp—there was a large mob of people round—I did not see the soldier assailed by anybody else.


(The prisoner was further charged with having been before convicted.)

JOSEPH IRISH . (Policeman). I produce a certificate—(Read: "Clerkenwell, Henry Goodwin, Convicted, Jan., 1856, of larceny; Confined six months")—I was present at the trial—the prisoner is the person.

GUILTY. Aged 18.— Confined Eighteen Months.

NEW COURT.—Monday, April 13th, 1857.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Fifth Jury.

Reference Number: t18570406-527

527. CHARLES CREASY and JAMES FOREMAN , unlawfully obtaining 17s. 5d.; the moneys of William Thomas Treggon, by false pretences.

MR. SLEIGH. conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM RICHARD GALE . I manage the business of William Thomas Treggon. He has many warehouses and manufactories; one is at No. 66, St. John Street, and his counting house is in Jewin Street—he is in the habit of buying zinc and cuttings at the warehouse in St. John Street—Creasy was warehouseman there—it would be his duty to weigh the cuttings, and to give the persons bringing them a note or invoice—he ought to weigh them, and enter the weight in a day book and in the invoice ticket, then tear it out of the book, and give it to the person who brought the cuttings, and enter a copy of the weight on the counterfoil—the note which he would give to the vendor would serve as a receipt for his having received these cuttings, and, being presented in Jewin Street, the person would be paid the money for them—Creasy was not to pay any one, the money was paid in Jewin Street by me or by the cashier—I remember a note being handed to me on Monday, 23rd March—this is it—the writing on it is Creasy's—it is for 1 cwt. of cuttings—Foreman presented it to me—we should deduct 4 lbs. for the tare, and give him 16*. a hundredweight—I wrote a note for 16s.—he said that he had received 18s. before, and I gave him 18s.; I deducted the tare, and gave him 17s. 5d.—I produce the counterfoil of that transaction, No. 64—it is in Creasy's writing—in the day book there is an entry in Creasy's writing for 1 cwt.—the counterfoil No. 63 is not in the book, it has been abstracted—it ought to have been in the book; nothing ought to have been taken from the book—on Wednesday evening, 26th March, I was at St. John Street, when the two prisoners were taken—I heard Creasy ask to be allowed to retire to the water closet—I saw an officer follow him, and next morning these two notes and two counterfoils were given to me—the note was for 2 qrs. and the counterfoil, which has been torn out the book—they are both in Creasy's writing—they are both in a soiled state—I took the counterfoil book, looked through it in Creasy's presence, and asked him where the note was for the 2 qrs.; he said that he had destroyed it—I asked him where the counterfoil was; he said that he had destroyed it likewise—that was before he asked to retire—I heard the officer tell him he was taken for defrauding Mr. Treggon, and I think he said for obtaining money under false pretences—Creasy said that it was brought in in two parts, and there might have been about 1 cwt.—I asked him what he had done with the ticket for 2 qrs. which he first gave me—he said he had destroyed it—I turned it back to look for the counterfoil, and he said he had destroyed that.

Cross-examined by MR. LAXTON. Q. How many pairs of scales have you? A. Only one—we have not had that place more than five or six years—the scales may be twenty or thirty years old—we weigh as much as we can with those scales, about 6 cwt.—we may have had complaints from parties about the weight of goods—I do not know of one of my own knowledge—Mr. Jay

has not complained to me of the weight of goods supplied to him—I know he has made complaints.

COURT. Q. What, about the weight being deficient? A. Yes, or over—it might be one way or another—Mr. Nicholls adjusts our scales and weights every month, and has done so for years.

MR. LAXTON. Q. Do not you know that Mr. Barton has complained of the weight of goods supplied to him? A. No—I do not recollect any other person complaining—the scales are in a good state of repair—those scales had not been taken to Jewin Street to see what we could do with them there, to put them in order, certainly not.

MR. SLEIGH. Q. If mistakes have been made, it was not the fault of the scales, but the man? A. Yes, and that was Creasy, and he has stated over and over again that he has made mistakes.

GEORGE SMITH . I live in No. 7, Queen Street, Kingsland Road. I am a plumber—I have a brother named Thomas—I knew Foreman about three years ago—he was then a marine store dealer—I met him in Kingsland Road, with another man, in Dec. last; my brother was with me—Foreman asked us whether we used new zinc, and said he could get us some cheap—he did not say anything about old zinc that day, he did afterwards; he said that he could get us a good price for old zinc or for new cuttings in St. John Street—in consequence of this I made a communication to Mr. Treggon and to the officer—on Sunday, 22nd March, I saw Foreman; he said that if I had any zinc or cuttings, he would go with them to-morrow, Monday—I said that I would call on him, and I met him on the Monday—I went to Mr. Riley's, in Hoxton, and there bought 2 qrs. 20 lbs. of zinc cuttings; while I was buying them Foreman went to a public house—I had the zinc weighed in presence of policeman G 145—after I had procured this zinc, and weighed it, I met Foreman—the zinc was in a bag—I then went with Foreman to Mr. Treggon's; before we got there, Foreman said that he had rather take it in two bags, and it was accordingly divided, and taken in two bags—I went with him to St. John Street; Foreman went in with the first lot; when he came out, he said he had given the man that weighed it 6d., and he had got a ticket for 2 qrs.—he showed me the ticket, and I gave it him back—he and I went in together with the second lot, and I saw Creasy there; after he had weighed it, he wrote out a bill for 1 cwt.—Foreman gave him the bill back for the 2 qrs., and he put a shilling on the bill—Creasy gave the bill for the cwt. to Foreman, and said, "There you are, I have made you a note, for a cwt."—this is the note—I and Foreman then went to Jewin Street, and while on the way Foreman told me he had given Creasy 1s. 6d.—I remained outside while Foreman went into the office in Jewin Street—he came out, and said that he had given 1d., and received 17s., and I gave Foreman 2s.—I had previously given him the 1s. 6d., which he gave to Creasy—I did not give him the penny—when I went in the second time, I saw the quantity weighed, and it weighed 1 qr. and 9 lbs.—on 25th March I went to Mr. Treggon's again—I had previously bought 2 qrs. and 7 lbs. of zinc—I accompanied Foreman in, and I saw Creasy there, and there was another man standing within about a yard of the scale—I saw Creasy weigh the bag of zinc in that other man's presence—I saw Creasy make out the note for it—this is it—it is for 2 qrs. and 8 lbs.—when Creasy handed Foreman the note, I heard him whisper to Foreman that he should not come so late, he should come sooner—it was then about 6 o'clock—when I and Foreman got outside, we met G 145, and he ordered us both to ftp back—I saw Mr. Gale there, and Foreman

and Creasy were both given into custody—when Foreman got to the station, he said he did not know what they could do with me and him, but it would be hot for Creasy—Foreman did not know where I procured the zinc cuttings.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you live in a private house? A. Yes, and work there, but I have not a shop—persons come and give me orders there—I have only one room at present—I have lived there eighteen months—I get my living by working at plumbing, painting, and glazing—in no other way whatever—I work for persons about the neighbourhood, mostly for bricklayers, builders, and so on—I have not my name on my door—I am in the habit of seeing goods weighed—I went into Mr. Treggon's shop with the second quantity—it is rather a small place, about eight or nine feet wide—I was standing within a yard of the scales—they stand on the left hand side as you go into the shop—the desk stands three or four feet further on—I stepped about one pace from the place where I was to the desk—the desk does not go round, it is in a line—Foreman did not say anything when he put the shilling down—he and Creasy were whispering together; I did not hear what—one was looking over the other—I might be a yard off—I had moved about a yard—the whispering was for about half a minute, while they were writing the note—on 25th March there were 2 qrs. and 7 lbs. I know that because I saw it weighed twice, at Mr. Riley's first, and afterwards at the coal shed—I never saw Creasy but once—he did not seem at all surprised at seeing me come in with Foreman—I was in trouble once, a long while ago—I have not been in any trouble besides that—I was not convicted of a burglary some time ago—I belong to the United Friends Friendly Society—I never was secretary to it—I was not expelled for defrauding it—I belong to it now—I have known Foreman about three years, he used to come to see some persons where I lived—I am not aware that I am to receive anything for my loss of time—I came forward on public grounds—my brother first spoke to Francis, the policeman, but I saw him afterwards—he spoke to me after my brother had spoken to him—he was conversing with me and my brother—I gave the 1s. 6d. to Foreman, because he asked me for it—he said that he wanted something to give to the man that weighed it.

MR. SLEIGH. Q. This charge against you was when you were a boy, you flattened some pewter pots up? A. Yes—I had been to a club supper.

COURT. Q. Was it after you had seen Foreman, and he had told you about the zinc, that you spoke to Francis? A. Yes, Foreman said he could get new zinc at 1l. a cwt. the price then was about 34s. or 35s. a cwt.

THOMAS SMITH . I met Foreman, at the latter end of last year, in company with Hagan, a marine store dealer—Foreman asked me and my brother if we used zinc, as he could buy it at a very low figure—he and Hagan were the worse for liquor—I saw Foreman a day or two afterwards, and was introduced to Hagan—Foreman asked Hagan if he had got any new zinc—Hagan said no, but he should have some soon—I said, "At what price?"—he said "1l. a cwt."—I said, "Where is it to be got at that price?"—he said, "Never mind where it is to be got if I get it for you"—I afterwards spoke to Francis—I afterwards saw Foreman, and he asked me if I had got any old zinc, as he could get a good price for it in St. John Street—I told him I was going to get some—I made an arrangement to go with him to St. John Street—on 23rd Feb. I went with Foreman to Mr. Home's—I bought 2 qrs. and 20 lbs. of zinc—I saw it weighed, and I paid 10s. 9d. for it in Foreman's presence—this is the bill of it—Foreman

carried it—on the road it was put into a bag—I got rid of Foreman—he went into a public house, and I and the constable weighed the quantity of zinc again, and it weighed 2 qrs. and 23 lbs. with the bag—I again joined Foreman and went with him to St. John Street—he went in with the zinc—I went to the door and waited till he came out—he gave me a note, and said, "I have got a bill for 3 qrs. 22 lbs."—before he went in he asked me for a shilling to give the man that weighed it, which I gave him—on the next day, 24th Feb., I procured 3 qrs. more cuttings, at Mr. Home's, for which I paid 12s.—Foreman was not with me when I bought it, bat after I bought it I and Foreman took it to Mr. Treggon's; before we got there I made an excuse, and got out of Foreman's way for a little while—I then joined the constable and got the zinc weighed in a shop, it weighed 3 qrs. and 3 lbs. with the bag—after weighing it I again joined Foreman, and we went to Mr. Treggon's—before Foreman went in I gave him a shilling, which he said was to give to the man that weighed it—I went in with Foreman, and saw Creasy weigh the zinc—I then saw him write a note, which he gave to Foreman—Foreman offered him a shilling, but he would not take it—he said that he might leave him a drop of beer if he liked, but he would not take the shilling—they whispered together, but I did not hear what they said—when we came out Foreman told me that Creasy had said, "Why don't you come by yourself?"—this is the bill which Creasy gave Foreman, and he gave it me—it is for 3 qrs. 8 lbs.—we went in at the next door by Creasy's direction, who said, "You can leave me a drop of beer"—I think they were the words—we ordered a pint of half-and-half—the landlord said, "It is all right"—I think I gave Foreman a shilling for himself—I gave it him on several occasions—he said that he would go in himself next time, as the man did not like to see any one—on 26th Feb. I got some more zinc, 1 qr.—I took that myself, and saw Greasy; he weighed it, and gave me this bill for 1 qr. and 8 lbs.—he said, "I had the beer next door"—when he weighed it, I put a small weight on the scale; he said, "We are not particular here"—he did not weigh the bag after the zinc was shot out—I took these notes to Jewin Street, and there I was paid the amounts 1l. 11s. 2d. altogether—I saw Foreman several times afterwards, and I think I gave him a shilling or two.

Cross-examined. Q. How do you get your living? A. by working at my trade—I am a plumber—I had a job last week in Long Lane, Smithfield—I was about a week at that job—I was in trouble once, as the Counsel has explained, about the pots—nothing else; I was never charged with felony—I spoke to Francis about this matter, having known him a number of years—he did duty, when I was a lad, where I used to live—I have not had a good many transactions with the police—I was not a witness, in May last year, in the Old Court—I weighed the zinc on 23rd February, in Mr. Home's shop—I was standing close to the scale; Foreman and Mr. Home were present—Mr. Home weighed it, 2 qrs. 20 lbs.; I did not go into Mr. Treggon's with that quantity—I speak positively as to giving Foreman 1s. on that occasion, before he went into the place—I did not know then that he was to give any money—I knew what he was going for—I went with him to carry the zinc—I did not go on the 24th and 26th merely to carry the zinc, but to ascertain the way in which the prosecutor was being robbed—Foreman asked for money on the 24th; he did not go on the 26th—Creasy saw me put the small weight on the scale, and he said, "We are not very particular"—he told me he had the half-and-half—I had not known Creasy before I had known Foreman, six or eight months—I had not been friendly

with him, I do not think I had spoken to him above a dozen times before I met him in Kingsland Road in December—I have not been paid anything for my loss of time; I do not expect anything.

Foreman. I never had but one sixpence of you in my life, except a drop of beer. Witness. I have given you money repeatedly—I paid for a gallon of beer once, and you stood and drank it ail yourself.

THOMAS EVANS . (Policeman, G 145). I was present on various occasion when zinc was bought and weighed by George and Thomas Smith—I ascertained the weight—I have heard what they have stated as regards the weight—it is correct—on various occasions I followed them to see that the zinc was weighed, and taken on to Mr. Treggon's—on 25th March I saw Smith and Foreman come out of Mr. Treggon's—I told them to go back, and took them in custody; I told them there was a charge against them for obtaining money from Mr. Treggon—for giving a ticket for 1 cwt. when there was only 2 qrs. and 20 lbs.—Creasy said, "I have never robbed Mr. Treggon; it was brought in two lots, and there was about a cwt"—I heard Mr. Gale ask him for the note for the 2 qrs.—I have heard what he has stated to-day, it is correct—I had weighed the zinc on the 23rd, and know it was 2 qrs. 20 lbs.—when I was there, Creasy requested to retire; I saw he had some paper in his hand—I said, "What have you here?"—he said, "Only a sheet I want to use"—I examined the closet before he went in, and when he came out—I found nothing—I left him outside the closet door, near the furnace—in going to the station he said, "It is a bad job; they offered me some money, but I did not take it"—some papers were afterwards given to me—I said to Creasy the next morning, "We have found those papers in the furnace."

GEORGE DUDLEY . I am in the employ of Mr. Treggon; on the morning after Creasy was taken I found these papers in the furnace, under the boiler—they were crushed up.

HARRY SHORT . (Policeman, G 77). I was present on one or two occasions when the zinc was weighed—I heard Evans say at the police court, that the papers were found, and Creasy said, "He did not find them in the water closet, when I went in I thought I had made away with them."

WILLIAM GALE . These papers are Creasy's writing.

(Creasy received a good character.)

CREASY— GUILTY . Aged 46.— Confined Twelve Months.

FOREMAN— GUILTY . Aged 23.— Confined Six Months.

THIRD COURT.—Monday, April 13th, 1857.


Before Michael Prendergast, Esq., and the Seventh Jury.

Reference Number: t18570406-528

528. LOUIS NAPOLEON LE GRAS was indicted for unlawfully making a false declaration.

MR. PHILLIPS. conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM WEBBER SIMPKINS . I am assistant to Clement Smith, a pawnbroker, of Bath Street, City Road. I know the defendant—on 22nd Jan., he pledged a screw and box for 16s.; on 2nd March, it was taken out by a woman who brought a guide, and pledged the screw, and box, and guide for 1l., in the name of Ann Le Gras, Diana Place, another guide was afterwards

brought, and 2s. more was advanced, making 1l. 2s.—the wife brought me the first ticket on 2nd March—on 11th March, the defendant brought me this lost ticket declaration, under the Act of Parliament—I had given him the form on 7th March, when he came and said that he had lost the ticket, and he went and got it signed by a Magistrate; it refers to the pledging on 2nd March—he said that he had not got the ticket, and wanted a declaration to make it right—he had the declaration altered to the 11th, and he brought another guide, which makes the two on the ticket, and had 1s. upon it, which was to pay for signing the declaration, as he said that he had no money, and asked to have the loan of 1s. till he came back, and when he came back with the declaration signed by the Magistrate, he paid the interest and had the new ticket made up to 1l. 2s.—he left the guide for 1s. without a duplicate—that made two guides, a box, and a screw, I gave him one duplicate and have had the other ever since—this is it, this is the first one for 1l., which is referred to in the declaration; he left the declaration with me.

Prisoner. Did Mr. Defries come to your shop? Witness. Yes, and stopped the ticket for 1l. 2s.—I will not be positive whether he said that he gave you 1l. for the ticket, but he produced the ticket for the screw and guide—I said that you had a declaration on the articles, and that they were in pledge for 1l. 2s., and I could not deliver it—he said that it was his property and gave me notice not to part with it without his permission—when you came with the declaration, you told me you had not got the ticket—I do not recollect your saying that if you did not secure the ticket, it would be lost to you—we were very busy that day—I have known you four years, you have often pledged things, and taken them out—all your proceedings have been fair and straightforward—there are sixty nine tickets of yours at the present time.

JAMES GLIBBERY . This is a document in the Court of Mr. Ham mill; here are his initials upon it, and mine also. I swear that it was regularly taken by him in the police court, Worship Street—I remember the defendant coming to me.

EDWARD AUGUSTUS HATTLY . I am manager to Mr. Defines, a gas engineer. The defendant was taken into his employ four or five months ago, and after making some moulds to pattern, he was engaged to make tools to make some diaphragms—(This case has been before two police magistrates, but not before any Court)—this is the agreement (produced) made between Mr. Defries and him, I was present when it was made. (By this agreement, the defendant bound himself to supply no diaphgrams, directly or indirectly, to way other maker, under a penalty of l, 000l., in consideration of Mr. Defries lending him 3l. or 4l to purchase tools, the defendant undertaking to return him 1l. a week till they were paid for, and agreeing to work either in or out of the factory, and to pay all cost for spoiled materials.) He was engaged making the tools to make diaphragms, but was subsequently to make the diaphragms—he had 3l. 18s. to purchase a press, with the understanding that it should become his when he was able to return the money for it—I was not present then, but I advanced him 1l. 6s. on 19 Dec, that was money lent him to get on—on 2nd Jan., I advanced him 2l. to enable him to finish some work which he was engaged upon, and as a means of living—that was the only wages he had—on Monday 5th Jan., I missed the screw of a press, and went over to him several times, at his house, requesting him to bring it back, and to continue his work, which he promised to do, but failed.

COURT. Q. Had he left his work? A. Yes, on the Friday when he had the 2l., the foreman and myself went to his house, and represented the folly of his proceedings, and requested him to return and bring the screw, which he promised to do, but failed; he said that he had got it, but did not show it—it was Mr. Defries's screw.

Prisoner. Two Magistrates decided that the screw was mine.

MR. PHILLIPS. Q. When did you next see him at the factory? A. I do not think I saw him till about 1st March, and on 2nd March he returned to his work through his wife calling on Mr. Defries; before that day, I had missed four halves of guides, making two whole ones, they were Mr. Defries's—I asked the defendant for them on 2nd March, and he said that he had got them at home; a day or two passed over, and he still said that he had got them at home, and he admitted that he had pledged them—on 6th March I saw him, and he laid me down this ticket for a screw and guide, and I laid him down a sovereign as a loan, in advance of his work; he had nothing which I can specify, due for wages at that time, but he had been at work a week—I have had no opportunity of knowing how much he earned in a week, because he was engaged upon one job only, which had been fearfully delayed—he had a trifle of money advanced to him, to enable him to go on, and when he had finished, the price of his work would be entered—he claimed the right of pawning the property, and keeping the ticket, but I reminded him of the arrangement, and he said, "You are a gentleman"—he said that he had got no money, and wanted to live—I was not bound to give him the sovereign, it was only a loan; I should not have given it to him, if he had not given me the ticket—he claimed to have the money without the ticket, and when there was no other mode of getting the money, he gave me the ticket; he wanted to keep it—he did not make a demand to me for that ticket after that, or any other person on his behalf.

COURT. Q. Were this press and screws to be his? A. When paid for; he did very little work indeed, to pay for them, he made the tools himself or was making them—I am not familiar with the names of them, because it was a plan of his own—these are parts of the very tools he was making—he had some invention of his own—my master is an Englishman; we advanced the defendant the money for the press. (The defendant here produced a bill for the press, and MR. PHILLIPS. produced the original bill, which was made out in the prisoner's name, an sold to him.) The defendant purchased the press, and had his name put at the top of the bill—the sums I advanced to him were 1l., 2l., and 1l., and the money for the press—he was not at work eight weeks, because he was away so constantly; five or six weeks—he did not do some of the work at home, to my knowledge. (The declaration stated that the defendant had lost the ticket, that he had not told it to any person.)

Prisoner. I am the inventor of the tools; I was not in the workshop on 2nd March, as a witness will prove; I summoned Mr. Defries to Marylebonne County Court for 20l. wages which he owed me, as I never received any; there is the summons (Producing it; dated 2nd Feb., and heard on 5th March); the Magistrate said that the press belonged to me, and the Magistrate at Worship Street said the same, and he put it down as money lent; he wants to make profit of me because I am a Frenchman, the same as he did of another Frenchman, who he took a patent from; he let me sign a paper in the workshop, to destroy the other, and he promised me 2l. to finish my work, but only gave me 1l., and that was not for the ticket, it was for my work.



Before Michael Prendergast, Esq.

Reference Number: t18570406-529

529. JOHN HARRISS , stealing 56 lbs. weight of lead, value 10s.; the goods of George Tarrant, fixed to a building.

MR. PLATT. conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM SOUTH . (Policeman, 233 K). On 20th March, about 2 o'clock in the morning, I was on duty in High Street, Stratford, near the Bird-in-Hand public house, and saw the prisoner and another man, and a woman, who was discharged before the Magistrate, standing near the prosecutor's house—the two men went up the street, the contrary way, and the woman stood still to watch me—I went on a little way down the street to see another constable, Elliott; I told him something, went back again, and we heard a whistle—we came up the street behind a wagon, that we should not be seen, and when we got within a few yards of Mr. Tarrant's house they were all three together, coming to meet us—Cook, the man who got away, was carrying something, which afterwards turned oat to be sheet lead—the prisoner tried to screen him from our view—he put his hands under his coat and walked in this way, so that we should not see what Cook had got—I said to the constable, "It is all right, they have got something"—Harries ran away, and Elliott after him—the man with the lead was too powerful for me—he kicked me on the knee and on the thumb—the lead fell from his jacket, and he got away—we went to the station with the woman and the lead—I then went to Mr. Tarrant's, and found that some lead had been removed from the top of the door porch, the lead fitted the place exactly; it was* safe at 10 o'clock, when I went on duty.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILIPPS. Q. How high is the door? A. Eight feet three inches from the ground—the whole piece of lead was pulled off—I had passed several times at intervals of half an hour—the other policeman was 300 or 400 yards down the street, it is a very long street—there were no other persons there—the street was quite still—I came suddenly upon them up a short turning—I did not see the prisoner taken; he did not appear excited, he was very quiet—he was not in the least intoxicated—the whistle was in the direction in which I saw them come—High Street, Shadwell, is a mile long—I had seen the prisoner many times before, he is the associate of thieves and prostitutes.

The prisoner's statement before the Magistrate was here read as follows:—"I was with the man who had the lead, and I was the worse for drink; I did not know that the man had the lead until I saw the policeman come, and then the man told me he had got the lead; I do not know where he got the lead from."

(Mr. Tarrant gave the prisoner a good character.)


Before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18570406-530

530. HENRY FIELD , stealing 20 lbs. weight of lead, the goods of Peter Rolt and others: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Six Months.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

Reference Number: t18570406-531

531. JOHN SWIFT was indicted for unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MR. POLAND. conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM CAULDEY . I am a butcher, of No. 3, Blackheath Road, Kent On Tuesday or Wednesday, 24th or 25th Feb., the prisoner came to my shop, about half past 10 o'clock at night, and asked for a mutton chop and two kidneys—he gave me half a crown—I gave him the change, and he left—I put the half crown into my pocket, where I had only some halfpence and a shitting and a sixpence, and in about four minutes afterwards discovered that it was bad—I wrapped it in a piece of paper and have kept it separate ever since—this is it (produced); I saw the prisoner at Greenwich police court, and am sure he is the same man.

Prisoner. Q. Have you received any letter from me requesting you to forward the name and address of a person who tendered a counterfeit 2s. piece in payment for some calf a liver? A. Yes, I did not do so; I had other business to attend to, and another letter came yesterday—a neighbour of mine brought a bad florin down to me.

Prisoner. You stated first that it was Tuesday, 3rd March, and you stated, on your return to the police court afterwards, that it was Monday, 2nd March. Witness. I was taken out of my business in a hurry, and did not remember the day; after my neighbour had referred to his book, I went to the police court a second time to correct the error which I had made, and stated that it was Monday, 2nd March—I am sure now that it was not 2nd March, and that it was not on Feb. 25th or 26th, or on the 23rd, because we never slaughter anything on Monday—it was on Tuesday or Wednesday.

COURT. Q. You say in your deposition, "I find now that it was on Monday, 2nd March," and now you fix on a Tuesday? A. I cannot account for that except by being taken out of my business in the middle of my Saturday morning's trade—I did not refer to my books, but to my neighbour's, a butcher, who had some liver, and tendered a 2s. piece—here is the prisoner's letter requesting me to produce the order book (This enclosed a postage stamp, and requested an answer, with the name and address of a person who ordered some calf's liver and tendered a counterfeit 2s. piece)—I did not send any answer to that—I have not received any other letter, one came yesterday, while I was here, and Mrs. Cauldery did not take it in—my books do not furnish me with any information, it was my neighbour's books, I did not examine them till after I was examined, I then found my mistake and told the inspector of it—when I went back I was too late to be examined that day—the date of the examination was 14th March.

Prisoner. The Magistrate gave you permission to fetch Mrs. Morriss whose evidence was necessary to complete the case? Witness. He gave me permission to go and attend to my business for one hour, till Mrs. Morriss was recalled—I do not know that I had heard Mrs. Morriss examined before I fixed on 2nd March—I do not know whether she was there—Mr. Morriss was examined between my first and second examinations—it was not in consequence of what I heard him say that I corrected my former evidence.

MR. POLAND. Q. When was it that you discovered that it was on 24th or 25th Feb.? A. When I came back from the police court, on the same

day that I was examined—I then went back to the police court, but was not examined—I received the bad 2s. piece from my neighbour, Mr. Wright, a butcher—I have referred to his books, and he had got the articles which he sent to me for, booked on the 26th, so it must have been a day or two before—I have not the slightest doubt that the prisoner is the man who gave me the bad half crown, he stood in the shop six or seven minutes after he gave it to me—I was told that he was in custody for passing a bad crown to Mrs. Morriss, and went to the station to see if he was the same person.

Prisoner. I was called out singly, and by name, to be identified by this man. Witness. They told a man to unlock the door—I was a yard or two off the cell, and he was the first man that walked out, but I never heard him called by name; I said, "That is the man "—I looked in the cell afterwards to see if there were any men there, but not to see if I knew any of them, as I was quite certain about the prisoner.

WILLIAM MORRISS . I keep the Railway Tavern, at Lewisham. On Whit Monday night, about 20 minutes to 12 o'clock, after the house was closed, somebody knocked at the door—I opened it, and the prisoner was there with a small bottle in his hand; he asked for a quartern of rum and a cork—the light was out outside, and the gas was lowered inside—I said, "You had better come in, and let me have a look at you"—(he wanted me to give it out to him)—my wife, who was in the bar, took the bottle and put the rum into it, and I saw him hand her a 5s. piece; she went into the bar parlour to get change for it, returned with it in her hand, and gave it to me, saying, "This is bad"—the prisoner said, "I have got some more money," and put his hand into his pocket and threw down a good half crown—my wife gave him the change—he wanted the crown back, but I would not give it to him—he said, "You shall either give it me back or lock me up"—I said that I could not be away from my house for a week or a fortnight, and if he had any doubt that I was doing wrong, he might take a summons out before a Magistrate—he went outside the door with me to look for a policeman—a policeman came, and we all went in again; the policeman advised me to lock him up, and I gave him into custody—I gave the crown which I received from my wife to the policeman at the station.

Prisoner. Q. What remark did I make when you refused to give me the 5s. piece? A. You said that yon took it from Mr. Watchorn, of Marsh Gate, on Saturday night; and I knew that he had been dead some years.

Prisoner. I know that he hag been dead six years, but I said, "At Mr. Watchorn's public house:" did you show it to Mr. Owen, a butcher, who was just going away? A. Yes, but it never left my hand till I gave it to the policeman.

LOUISA MORRISS . I received the crown from the prisoner, and handed it to my husband—the price of a quartern of rum is 6d.

Prisoner. Q. Will you swear that this is the same crown? A. Yes, it never went out of my hand till I gave it to my husband, and he kept it till he gave it to the policeman—I did not lose sight of it—two persons were with him—I could not keep my eye upon it while I was giving you in charge—you did say that you would not be at the loss of it, for you knew where you took it.

JOHN EDES . (Policeman, B 329). On Monday night, 2nd March, I went to Mr. Morriss's, and saw the prisoner standing outside the door—I went inside, and he was given into my custody—Mr. Morriss gave me the crown

at the station—I found on the prisoner three half crowns, and 1s. 9d. in silver and copper, all good—he gave his address, "No. 18, Granby Street, Waterloo Road.

Prisoner. Q. What caused you to come there? A. Mr. Morriss called me—when we went in, you told me that you did not want to be the loser of your money, and you told Mr. Morriss that your object was to get another returned from the man you had taken it from.

ALFRED JOHN CROUCH . (Policeman, R 92). I know Granby Street, Waterloo Road. There is no No. 18 there; the houses are pulled down from No. 9 to No. 68, for the purposes of the South Western Railway—I inquired in the adjacent courts and streets for John Swift, but could not find that any such person lived there.

WILLIAM WEBSTER ., This crown and half crown are both bad.

Prisoner 's Defence. At the time I offered the crown I did not know that it was bad, or I should not have offered it; I put my hand into my pocket, and gave the first piece of money that came to hand, thinking he would bring me out the rum rather than admit me; I certainly gave Mr. Couldery a half crown, but I believe it to be on the Friday; I was on business that way, and in coming home went there for a mutton chop, as I knew that the butchers' shops would be shut by the time I got home; I believe it to have been a good one; I do not know whether it is the same, he makes so many statements that I do not think his word ought to be taken at all.


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532. GEORGE JONES and JOHN TANNICK , stealing 5 cloth caps, value 3s. 6d.; the goods of John James Weise.

JOHN JAMES WEISE . I am a hatter, of Richard Street, Walworth. On 13th March a policeman showed me five doth caps which were mine, and which I had seen safe, I think, on the previous evening on my counter—they are worth 3s. 6d.

JAMES WESTBROOK . (Policeman, R 114). On 13th March, about half past 2 o'clock in the day, I saw the prisoners in Walworth, and found four caps under Tannick's jacket, buttoned in, and one on his head; his old cap was in his pocket—he said that he got them out of Hare Street; I said "Whereabouts? he said, "Next door to the china shop, Mr. Andrews's; I met Jones and he told me where he could get some caps; Jones stopped outside, and I went in and got the caps"—Jones said, "No, I did not, I only met you just up there," pointing up the road (Hare Street is the same as Richard Street)—I took them into custody.

THOMAS SAMUEL M'GUIRE . I am a shoemaker, of the New Road, Woolwich—about half-past 1 o'clock in the day I saw both the prisoners, and Jones offered me eleven cloth caps for a shilling, about a dozen yards from Mr. Weise's shop.

(The prisoner's statements before the Magistrate were here read as follows: Jones says: "I never saw the witness M'Guire before." Tannick says: "Jones told me if I would get the caps he would sell them.")

Jones's Defence. I never saw this boy before; I was not out of bed at the time.

Tannick's Defence, I was not with Jones; I never saw M'Guire before.

JONES— GUILTY . Aged 14.

TANNICK— GUILTY .** Aged 14.— Confined Twelve Months.

Jones was further charged with having been before convicted.

JAMES WEST . (Policeman, R 144). I produce a certificate—(Read:

"Woolwich Police Court; George Jones, Convicted, on his own confession, of felony, June, 1856; Confined Three Months")—I was present and had him in custody—Jones is the person.

GUILTY.**— Confined Twelve Months.

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533. WILLIAM SCAITES , stealing 3 pecks of wheat, value 3s.; the goods of Thomas Kingsford and another, in a barge in a creek communicating with the Thames.

DAVID TAYLOR . I am a miller. On the 4th March I had some wheat safe on board a barge—some wheat was afterwards shown to me by a policeman; I compared it with a sample taken from a sack in my barge, and they agreed.

JOHN FRASS . (Policeman, R 76). On Thursday, 5th March, I was on duty in Church Street, Deptford, near a creek in which a barge was lying, and at 3 o'clock in the morning I saw a man, not the prisoner, standing against the door of the theatre; as I got near to him he walked towards me—I spoke to him, but he never answered me—I concealed myself, and in a few minutes he returned and saw me—I still remained there, and in a few minutes the prisoner walked out of the creek with a bag of something on the back of his head—I crossed the road and stopped him; he attempted to ran away, but did not get many steps—I found wheat in the sack; he begged me to let him go, and said that he was never in trouble before—I asked him where he got it from—he said that a man gave it to him to take to Bermondsey; I took him into custody—there were three pecks of wheat, and three pecks were missing—I saw Mr. Taylor compare them.

Prisoner. Q. When you first cotched hold of me, did not you ask me which way I had come? A. Yes, and you said, "Through the fields"—I did not ask you if you saw a man with a frock coat on—you did say, "Do not hurt me; I will take the bag and come with you, I have not stolen it"—you were about twenty yards from the barge when I first saw you.

Prisoner's Defence. A man asked me if I wanted to earn 6d.; I said "Yes;" he took me across a field, gave me the bag, and said, "You go down High Street and I will meet you"—I met the constable, who took me.

GUILTY .—He was further charged with having been before convicted.

ABRAHAM JOHN CROUCH . (Policeman, R 92). I produce a certificate—(Read: "Central Criminal Court; William Scaites, Convicted, Feb., 1856, of stealing spoons, Confined one year")—I was present at the trial—the prisoner is the person.

GUILTY.**—Aged 18.— Four Years Penal Servitude.

Before Michael Prendergast, Esq.

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534. JAMES COX , stealing 1 watch and chain, value 7l.; the goods of Thomas Freeman, in the dwelling house of Seth Snoswell.

MR. THOMPSON. conducted the Prosecution.

SARAH ANN SNOSWELL . I am the wife of Seth Snoswell, of 155, Eveling Street, Deptford—he is in the store keeper's department of Deptford Dock-yard—on Ash Wednesday, between 3 and 4 o'clock, a knock came to the street door; my little girl went to open it, and I stepped into the passage and saw the prisoner—he came in at the front door and I met him half way up the passage—he said, "My fowl, Ma'am, has got over your back yard, I want to go and look for it"—I said, "Well, you can go and see if it is there"—as we were walking out together into the garden, I said, "Where do you live, that you think it has got over here?"—he said, "Just over there, Ma'am," pointing to the houses in Grove Lane—we looked about but there was no fowl—we stood there for a minute or more, and, turning towards the house, my little boy came out and said, "Mother, a man has taken a watch"—I said, "You don't say

so"—I ran in but saw no man—the prisoner was behind me and said, "Let me go"—I said to my niece, who was standing at the front door, "Shut the door and call the police"—he turned round, I put my hand to catch hold of his coat, but he was too quick for me and ran out into the garden—I followed and called out for assistance—when he got to the bottom of the garden, he climbed over the fence into Mr. Bowles' yard, and I saw Mr. Bowles's man catch him—he was brought round to the street door, and I gave him into custody—I had seen the watch hanging in the room two or three minutes before the prisoner knocked—it was silver and had a gold chain—it belonged to my nephew, Thomas Freeman—anybody could see it from outside.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. Who was with you in the house. A. My little boy and girl—the boy is twelve years old—there were no fowls in the next yard, or near the place—the wall is about seven feet high—it is a corner house—Mr. Bowles's yard is between our house and a row of cottages.

SARAH MARILLIAN SNOSWELL . I am a daughter of the last witness—I opened the door to the prisoner—he said that he wanted to go through to the back to look for a bantam fowl; I called my mother, and saw him go with her into the yard—I left the street door ajar—my brother came into the back yard and said, "The watch is gone"—the prisoner is the man.

WILLIAM SNOSWELL . On Ash Wednesday, when my mother and the prisoner had gone to the back yard, I heard a noise in the front parlour, and saw a tall man coming out shutting the door—a piece of the gold chain of my uncle's watch was hanging between his fingers—he said, "All right, my little man, I will run round the back way and help look for the fowl"—he went out at the front door, and I ran and told my mother that the watch was gone, and the prisoner said, "I will go and help to catch the man"—my mother said, "No you will not"—he tried to run to the front, but my mother told my cousin to shut the door—he got over the fence, and Mr. Bowles's man stopped him.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILIPPS. Q. Did you see any man by the door when the knock was given by the prisoner? A. No—I did not see the man come in who took the watch; but I heard a noise in the front parlour as if there was a shutting of a box—I went to the front parlour when I heard the noise, but I said nothing to him—I did not see the prisoner come in—I was in the back parlour.

MARY ANN FREEMAN . I am the wife of Thomas Freeman, and niece of Mrs. Snoswell—I was in the kitchen on Ash Wednesday and heard a knock at the street door—I saw the prisoner go into the back garden, and directly thought of my husband's watch—my little cousin met me and said, "Oh, Mary Ann, the watch is gone—I found the parlour door open and the street door also, and missed my husband's watch and chain, which had hung over the mantle piece seven or eight minutes before—a dressing case of my husband's, which was in the room, had been opened—my husband has had the watch for years—six guineas was paid for it, and 1l. for the chain—it was a short Albert one.

GEORGE ENTICOTT . I am in the employ of Mr. Bowles, a sawyer, whose yard adjoins the prosecutrix's—I was at work on Ash Wednesday, heard a cry, and saw the prisoner getting over the fence; I ran and stopped him, he said, "Let me go, I have been doing nothing"—I said, "Come to the woman"—she said, "I have lost my watch, and some of your companions have taken it"—I held him till a constable came.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILIPPS. Q. Do you know the premises? A. Yes; I have worked there all my life; there are fifteen or sixteen houses down by the side of the yard—I have seen four or five Spanish fowls about there; they are kept in stables.

COURT. Q. Is a Spanish fowl and a bantam the same thing? A. Certainly not—I know of no bantam missing.

JOHN LOCKER . (Policeman). I took the prisoner, and told him he was charged, with another man not in custody, with stealing a watch and chain—he said that he went in the back yard to look for a bantam fowl, which he bought of a man with a coop in his hand, for 1s. 6d., and that he lived at 10, Park Place, Lock's Fields—that is from four to six miles from Grove Lane—he did not tell me that he lived in Grove Lane.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILIPPS. Q. Have you found out where he does live? A. No.

GUILTY . Aged 32.— Confined Six Months.

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535. DAVID DAVIS and OWEN M'CARTHY , feloniously assaulting Thomas Birch, being armed with an offensive weapon; with intent to rob him.

MR. SCOBLE. conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS BIRCH . I am captain of the sloop Cunliff, of Hull, and reside at Hull. On Thursday, 12th March, I was in Greenwich, and met a woman, I went with her to a room, and gave her some money to fetch some drink—before she went out I put my watch under the pillow, and while she was out the prisoners came in and said that it was their room, and demanded half a crown for it—I said that they would get it—I missed my watch, and saw Davis go to the bed and take it from under the pillow; he gave it to me, and I gave him 3s.; that was 6d. extra for giving me the watch—he wanted some drink, and I gave him 2s. more for some—the drink did not come, and I said, "Never mind, show me the road to Greenwich Hospital, and I will go;" for I found myself in bad quarters, and wanted to get out; the prisoners went out with me, and they picked up another party, whom I cannot identify—it was then past 12 o'clock; it was half past 11 when I went to the house—they seemed to be acquainted with the third man—they pointed the road out to me, and I had just left them a step or two when I felt a blow on my head, and I felt a grab at my watch at the same instant—I did not see who struck me, but Davis came, and said, "What is the matter? what is the matter?"—I said, "You know what is the matter," and they all ran away—nobody else was near to me at the time to hit me but one of the three men—I screamed out "Police!" and afterwards saw them in custody.

Davis. You came to the house I was lodging in with a female. Witness, I do not know whether you were lodging there—I did not tell you that I was robbed when I saw you—I missed my watch, but they came upon me on a sudden—you did not search for it, you went straight to the pillow and took it—I had no beer or rum—when I had given you the 2s. for drink, and you had gone out for it, the woman came back with the beer—you were not in the room two or three minutes with me and the woman—I did not say that if I had not found my watch I would have had all that were in the house taken, nor that the woman had done it too cleverly to take my guard from round my neck—I had some drink with her when she came in—you did not come into the house again; but when I went down to the door you were there, it was five or ten minutes after I parted with you in the room—there was no other female in the room, but I saw another—I did not give her 2s.—I took no rum—the woman came in just after you went out, and afterwards the other came—I did not see her bring any rum—you

asked me to have some rum—there was nobody but me in the room when I came in—there was not a little short girl who I gave 2s. to, for some drink; I gave it to you—I had some half and half out of a can—I do not remember seeing any glass—I said that if the woman had taken my watch and chain she had done it very cleverly, but I believe I put them under the pillow myself—I was perfectly sober—I did not accuse the woman—I did not ask you to direct me to the hospital ship, but to Greenwich Hospital—you took me to the bottom of a dark court and directed me to Greenwich Hospital, wished me good night, and left me.

COURT. Q. Which road did he direct you? A. I am a stranger and do not know; but the police said that it was the contrary road—I only know the main streets—I have not got the hat which I had on—it was a sharp blow; my head bled a good deal, here is the cut to be seen yet—there was a hole made in my hat—I saw nothing in the hands of any of them—it was not a blow with a fist; it was something which came very sharp—it did not take away my senses or knock me down—Davis caught me by the hand and asked me what was the matter—they were then close to me, and then they all ran away together—I met the police about twenty yards off, in the same street, and walked with them to the spot—while I was talking to them, Davis walked by and I gave him in custody—that was not a quarter of an hour afterwards—the police went to the house with me and found M'Carthy there—I waited outside the door—the third man might be a little taller than M'Carthy, but not a great deal—I did not show my head to the doctor, but I showed it to the police—here is the cut (showing it).

M'Carthy. Q. When I came into the room were not Davis and you in the room? A. You both came in together—I did not say that the woman had taken my watch—I did not give the woman 2s., I gave it to Davis—the woman did not fetch some rum in a bottle.

MR. SCOBLE. Q. Had you your watch when you left the house? A. Yes, but I did not look at it—they both went with me to show me the way.

JAMES MARGETSON . (Policeman, R 373). I was on duty in Lamb Lane, Greenwich, and heard cries of "Police!" and "Murder!"—I went to the spot and saw the prosecutor there—he asked me to feel his head—I looked at it by my lamp, and saw blood running very freely on to his coat—the cut was about an inch and a half long—he said that he had received it of a man, but he could not tell who, as he had been with three, and did not know which gave him the blow—he took me to the place—I went up to the corner of Skelton Street, and while talking to another constable, Davis came up, and Birch said, "That is one; I insist on your taking him into custody"—I took him, and left him with two other constables while Birch and I went to the house in Tranter's Buildings, Roan Street, Greenwich—I went up stairs and M'Carthy was in bed—I told him to get up and dress—he asked what I wanted; I told him to come down and I would tell him—he came down, and as soon as Birch saw him he said, "That is the other, take him into custody"—I knew the third man very well; but Birch could not swear positively to him; and he was discharged by the Magistrate.

Davis. Q. Did not I acknowledge to seeing the man and say that I had given him his watch, which he accused the young woman of stealing? A. Yes.

Davis's Defence. I was in my own place, and came down and saw the prosecutor in the passage; he said, "I am bilked;" I said that I did not know what he meant; he said, "I have sent a female after some drink, and if she comes back we will have a drink together; he searched himself, and

said that he missed his watch, and she had done it clean and clever; I said, "Have you been in bed?" He said, "Yes;" I went to the pillow and found it, and he gave me 3s., and sent a female out for 2s. worth of drink; while we were drinking, the female whom he had been with came in and said, "What is all this bother about?" I told her, and she called him abuseful names and shoved him out; he asked me to direct him to the hospital ship, and I directed him to the Dreadnought; I know nothing more about it.

M'Carthy's Defence. I heard Birch say, "I have lost my watch?" Davis said, "Be sure, search yourself;" he said, "I have;" Davis said, "Have you been to bed;" he said, "I have been lying down there in the bed;" Davis looked under the pillow and found it and gave it to him, and he gave him 3s.; they fetched some half and half and rum, and the woman came with some more rum in a bottle; Davis told her that he had accused her, and she would have nothing more to do with him; he asked Davis to show him the way to the hospital ship, and I saw no more of him till a policeman came into the room where I was, and told me to get up and dress myself.

COURT. to THOMAS BIRCH. Q. Do you think that the blow and the grab at your watch could have been done by one person? A. I should think not, the blow was from behind—the woman came down stain with me, and was standing by the door in the court, when I went away with the two prisoners: I do not think she left the door.

JURY. to JAMES MARGETSON. Q. How long was it before M'Carthy came down after you told him to dress himself? A. About three minutes—he was in his night shirt, and I waited in the room while he dressed, and came down with him—the prosecutor was perfectly sober, he was a little excited, but I do not know that he had been taking anything—it was not in the direction either of the Hospital or the hospital ship—it was the darkest place and the lowest neighbourhood they could take him to, alongside a burying ground—it does not lead to the river, but into Church Street—it was a little nearer to the Hospital than Tranter's Buildings, but the right way is up Rose. Street, which would be the main road all the way.

Davis. Q. Could not he have gone from there by the Brassfounders' Arms to the Dreadnought? A. No; it is quite a different direction—he could have turned to the right or the left in the middle of Lamb Lane, and got to the water side, but it is not a straight road, and is the directly opposite way to the Dreadnought, and it is a considerable way out of the road from Tranter's Buildings to the hospital ship or the Hospital.

M'CARTHY— GUILTY . Aged 24.— Six Years Penal Servitude.

DAVIS— GUILTY .—He was further charged with having been before convicted.

JAMES MARGETSON . re-examined. I produce a certificate—(Read; "Central Criminal Court, David Davis, Convicted Feb., 1856, of stealing a handkerchief having then been before convicted; Confined nine months")—I apprehended him—Davis is the man.

GUILTY.—Aged 21.— Six Years Penal Servitude.

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536. GEORGE SCANLAN and GEORGE PEARCE , stealing 5lbs. weight of bacon, value 4s. 2d.; the goods of Elizabeth Lockwood.

ELIZABETH LOCKWOOD . I keep a shop at Lee, in Kent On Thursday afternoon, 5th March, I was absent from my shop a few minutes between 1 and 2 o'clock—when I returned I missed three pieces of bacon—some bacon has been shown to me by the police constable Soper—it was impossible to say if they were mine, they were very like them, only one was

smaller, but that may have been made so by having something cut off this piece (produced) is not the same that was shown to me before—I do not recognise these in any way.


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537. EDWARD BURKE and JAMES MORRIS , stealing 200 bundles of firewood, value 7s.; the goods of Hesketh Davis Wells and another their masters.

MR. ROBINSON. conducted the Prosecution.

ROBERT EDWARDS . I am foreman to Messrs. Robert Thomas Wells and Hesketh Davis Wells, firewood merchants, at Canal Wharf, Deptford. I know the prisoner Morris—he goes by the name of Harris—he is a woodcutter—he had a particular part in the shed parted off where he worked—he works at so much per hundred—each man has a place, and keeps it separate—Burke was in the service as a carman—his duty was to come at 7 o'clock, when he had cleaned his horses, and then come to me and ask for his orders—on 23rd Feb., I gave him an order to take 1, 000 bundles of 14 in., and 1, 000 of 15 in.—he was to get the 14 in. from Morris, and the 15 in. from a person of the name of Collins—he was to take the 21, 000's, and also 500 of 15 ins., 1, 000 to Morley in Somers Town, 500 to Mr. Chambers, in Somers Town, and the other 1, 000 to some one else—he had no authority from me to take away more than 1, 000 of 14 in. that day—I gave the order—all orders go through me or Mr. Wells—each day we receive an account from the men—Morris gave me his account of 1, 000 14 in to Burke—I saw Burke when he came home—I asked him, "What have you had? "—he said 1, 000 15 in. and 1, 000 of 14 in., and he paid me for the 1, 000 15 in., but nothing for the 14 in.—Mr. Gilbert had the 1, 000 14 in. accounts monthly—the value of 200 bundles of 14 in. is 7s.

Cross-examined by MR. LILLET. Q. Were there 1, 000 of 14 in., and 1, 000 of 15 in? A. Yes; Messrs. Wells carry on a very extensive business—I should think they issue 300, 000 bundles in the course of a week—the men work by piecework—I should think a man cuts in a day fifteen or twenty hundred bundles—the orders for that day were those that I mentioned—there were other delivery orders besides those; that was all Burke had to deliver on that day—I gave him the order verbally—I gave no order that day to Morris—I do not give any order to Morris—there are no foremen of berths—Morris was not a foreman over a berth—he is master of the berth in which he cuts—he had his wife, another young woman, and two or three children working in his berth—he was confined to the 14 in. size—if he had an order to make another size he could do so—he has made 15 in. at times, one or two thousand—they have both been in the employment of Mr. Wells for some time—Burke has been there nearly five years, and the other twelve years—I have been there for twenty years—a person would tell the difference between the 14 and 15 in. bundles easily enough; it is the practice—I seldom hear of mistakes being made in the delivery of wood—a mistake in putting out the bundles might be made—no doubt mistakes have been made during the twenty years.

MR. ROBINSON. Q. If a man made a mistake, and took 200 bundles away and sold them, what would it be his duty to do? A. He would have seen it afterwards when he delivered them, for he would have counted them.

RICHARD HARVEY . I am in the service of Messrs. Wells. I am in the habit of going with Burke to assist in the delivery of the wood—on 25th Feb. I helped fetch the bundles out—Morris also helped—I heard them counted—they counted 100 at the time—I do not know how many there

were altogether—I saw the cart when it was filled—this was at the loading of the cart—the bundles were piled up in the shed, and then fetched outside, and then thrown up into the cart—some young girl threw them into the cart—I saw the cart when it was loaded—I went with the cart, and Burke went with me—I went to Mr. Gilbert's, in Tottenham Court Road—I saw the 15 in. wood loaded as well—when we got to Mr. Gilbert's, 1, 000 were delivered—afterwards we went to Chelsea to Mrs. Ely—we delivered there 200 14 in. bundles—I helped deliver them—I saw no money paid then, I was outside—we had the 15 in. in the cart—we went to two other places and delivered them.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you know Mrs. Ely? A. No; I first saw her when I was outside the shop—I went in with the bundles, and saw her inside—I was in the habit of going out with Burke every working day—we keep an account—I did not keep any account except in my mind—we deliver a great many in the course of the week—we go to Mr. Gilbert's very often, and to Mr. Harrison's, and we deliver 1, 000 to Mr. Gilbert's every Monday—I had been going out with Burke ever since last Christmas until he was taken into custody, and I went out every day one way or another—I know the difference between 14 in. and 15 in. wood—I went inside Mrs. Ely's with the bundles—I said that I was outside, and did not see any money pass.

MR. ROBINSON. Q. How did you carry in the bundles of wood? A. In a basket—they were first counted into the basket and then carried in and counted out again—the basket held a hundred—I mean at Mrs. Ely's—there were two baskets, a hundred in each—Mrs. Ely was in the room when I saw her—I was in the shop, she did not come out of the room—she stood against the door leading into the shop—it was a little room behind the shop—she saw them counted herself—when they were counted I came out and hung the basket up behind the tail-board—I left Burke in the shop—it was about three minutes before he came out.

MR. LILLEY. Q. Did you count the number left at Gilbert's? A. Yes, and also the number left at Mrs. Ely's—I first mentioned that we left some at Mrs. Ely's when I heard I was going to be discharged—the 23rd Feb. was on a Monday.

COURT. Q. Did you go to Gilbert's every week? A. Yes, we on more than one occasion went to Gilbert's and then to Ely's—I did that on that day and not on any other day.

MR. LILLEY. Q. Have you been to Mrs. Ely's more than once? A. I went to Mrs. Ely's once a week, but not directly from Gilbert's—on this occasion I went to Mrs. Ely's from Gilbert's, I have not done that before—I don't remember ever going from Gilbert's directly to Mrs. Ely's before—I did not go on any other day to Ely's after going to Gilbert's—we generally went to Mrs. Ely's on a Monday.

JOHN WILLIAM HARRISON . I reside at Tottenham Court Road; I am assistant to Mr. Gibson. I received the bundles, 1, 000, from the prisoner Burke, and counted them—we received 1, 000 every Monday from Mr. Wells—I always receive them—I recollect particularly the 23rd Feb.—I recollect counting them—my attention was drawn to it when Mr. Wells's foreman came to me about a month or so back—that was about a week or so after it happened.

MARY ELY . I reside at St. George's Bow, Pimlico. I recollect, on one of the three days, Monday, 23rd, Tuesday, 24th, or Wednesday, the 25th, the delivery of some wood to me—Burke brought me 200 bundles—I saw the

lad with him—as the cart was passing by, he (Burke) would sometimes call to ask me if I wanted any wood—he left 200 bundles, and I paid him for it 7s.—I remember that there was 200—it was brought in the basket—I had given no order for the wood—I had not ordered these 200 bundles of Messrs. Wells.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you know where the wood came from? A., I saw the name of Wells on the cart.

HESKETH DAVIS WELLS . I am in partnership with my brother—I gave no authority to Burke to give the wood to Mrs. Ely—I gave him no authority to take any wood at all.

Cross-examined. Q. You are not accustomed to give orders, I believe? A. I generally leave it to the foreman.

ALFRED JOHN CROUCH . (Policeman, R 92). On 3rd March I went to Mr. Wells's yard—I saw the two prisoners there; I was in plain clothes—I addressed myself to Burke, and said I was going to take him in charge for stealing 200 bundles of wood—he said it was false—I said to Morris, "You'll also have to go to the station-house, as you are both concerned in it"—they said, "We'll go, but it is impossible to prove what you say"—I said, "I have been to Mrs. Ely's, and yesterday the foreman picked out the bundles"—this is some of the wood (produced)—I went to Mrs. Ely's afterwards, and she gave me this wood.

RICHARD HARVEY . re-examined. We counted the wood when it was removed from the yard—we generally chalk the number, but we did not on that occasion—the man who works in the berth chalks—if the wood came from Morris's berth, he would be the one to chalk it—I did not see him chalk it—I put the bundles into the basket; it was a basket that would hold a hundred and no more—I put a hundred into the basket, and the girl took them out and chucked them up, and Burke was in the cart to take them—I carried the basket down to the cart, and do not know how many there were—Morris was there himself, chucking them to me—I am sure he was present.

Cross-examined. Q. How many berths are there? A. A good many.

ROBERT EDWARDS . re-examined. There were eight berths in that shed, the berths are separated by boards—all in that shed cut 14 in., each gives an account of his own—Morris gave me an account of 1, 000 bundles—I go round to each berth and say, "How many have you had out?" (I have a list), and then the man says 1, 000, or as the case may be, and then I say, "To whom," and then he says to Burke, or as the case may be, and then I write down the carman's name on the list.

RICHARD HARVEY . re-examined. I am quite sure all the 14 in. was given out by Morris—the basket they went out in holds a hundred—I have never put a hundred and a half in that basket.

(The prisoners received good characters.)

BURKE— GUILTY .— Confined Six Months.

MORRIS— GUILTY .— Confined Three Months.

(The prosecutor recommended Morris to mercy.)

Before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18570406-538

538. THOMAS WOOD, alias Luke Donovan , stealing 6 razors, and other goods, value 3l., of Thomas Morris, his master.

THOMAS MORRIS . I am a hairdresser, and live in Church Passage, Greenwich—the prisoner was apprenticed to me in 1852; he remained until 17th of August, 1855, when he left me—on the night before he left, I locked up my shop, and sent him and another young man to bed—I left my

tools and money in the shop; next morning I found the box was broken open, and the money gone, and combs, scissors, hairbrushes, towels, and different things, worth altogether about 2l.—the prisoner was gone—I went and gave information to the police—I did not see the prisoner again till he came into my shop to have his hair cut; I sent for an officer and gave him in custody—he denied that he had ever seen me before—I am quite sure he is the man; I could not be mistaken—there was another young man in the house when he left, named Reuben Penn—he had not gone; he lived with me nearly twelve months afterwards.

CHARLES SHAW . I am a hairdresser in Trafalgar Road, Greenwich. I know the prosecutor; I knew him at the time that he had an apprentice who ran away—I was present at the same time—I know the prisoner is the person.

THOMAS WOOLLEY . I am a shoemaker, and live at Greenwich. I know the prisoner—I used to go backwards and forwards to the prosecutor's shop to be shaved—the prisoner used to shave me—I am sure he is the person.

EDWARD GARDEN . (Police sergeant, 52 R). The prosecutor gave the prisoner in charge for stealing razors, shaving brushes, and other articles, and he was a runaway apprentice—the prisoner said he knew nothing at all of him; he was mistaken.

Prisoner's Defence. I am not the person—I do not know the man at all—he fetched a lad to swear I was the person, and he could not swear to me at all.

THOMAS MORRIS . Reuben Penn was before the Magistrate, but he said he would not like to swear to him.

GUILTY . Aged 20.

The prosecutor stated that he had robbed him and run away before, and he had taken him back again. Confined Twelve Months.

Before Mr. Baron Watson.

Reference Number: t18570406-539

539. JOSEPH ABRAHAM SMITH , breaking and entering the dwelling house of Henry Augustus Bed well, and stealing 15l.; his money: and 1 watch, value 10l.; the goods of Alice Brabrook.

MR. PLATT. conducted the Prosecution.

ALICE BRABROOK . I am a widow; I manage a tobacco shop for Mr. Henry Augustus Bedwell, at Deptford Bridge—I have known the prisoner for two years; a relation of his lodged at one time in Mr. Bedwell's house, and part of the time the prisoner was there—he was very well acquainted with the premises—he was of times there alone—the old lady, his relation, had left for some time—on Sunday, 5th Oct., I went out about 11 o'clock in the morning; I locked the house up, and left no one in it—I am sure the back bedroom window was fastened—the street door was locked, and I had the key of the street door with me—I got home between 10 and 11 o'clock at night—I found my servant, Clara, waiting outside—she had tried to open the door, and could not get in—after I got in I found that the door was bolted inside—when I went out I had locked it; it could not have been bolted—I got Thomas Stannard, and I waited while he got over the fence at the back; he called out that all the back of the house was open—he opened the front door, and I got in, and found my bunch of keys on the mat—I had left them locked up in a drawer in my bedroom—I went in and found another key which had been in my bedroom—I had left the cash box on the counter, under some waste paper, when I went out; it had contained about 14l. in gold and silver; when I returned it had been moved, and was standing on a stool in the shop; it was open, and everything had been

taken from it—there was a desk at the end of the counter with 15s., worth of copper in it; that had been opened and robbed—I went up into the bedroom; the drawers were every one open, and the things turned out—before I went out, I had a gold watch hanging up over the drawers in my bedroom; I am quite sure I left it there when I went out; it had a white face—I found the back bedroom window open, and near the window, on the outside, were the steps that we used to clean the window; to my knowledge they were not there when I went out; they were kept in the coal cellar in the garden—access to the house had been obtained by these means—the party could get in by getting up the steps—the money was Mr. Bedwell's, and the watch belonged to me; this is the watch, produced by Mr. Jeffreys; I know it, as I had kept it constantly in use.

Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. Did you leave the house from 11 o'clock in the morning till 11 at night without any one in it? A. Yes—it would not take a person a great while to ransack all the place, if they knew the house—they did not leave a room that was not ransacked—there were not many rooms.

THOMAS STANNARD . I am in the service of Mr. Hollis, of Deptford Bridge. On that Sunday night I was passing the house of the last witness—I saw her servant standing at the door, and she complained she could not get in—I stopped at the door till the last witness came home; she tried to open the door and could not; I found it was fastened inside—I went round and over the wooden fence, and in at the back door, which was wide open; I went through to the front door, and unbolted it; it was bolted at the top.

JOSEPH JEFFREYS . I am assistant to a pawnbroker at Ipswich. On 21st "Nov. the prisoner came to the shop with this gold watch—he asked 6l. on it—I told him I would lend him 4l., and I asked if it was his property—he said yes, it had formerly belonged to his father; that he was just going to sea, and he could not get the money out of the captain—I lent him 4l. on it—he came to the shop in about a week afterwards, and asked if I would buy the watch, as he was going on a foreign voyage, and should not be able to take it out—I bought it for 4l. 10s.—I heard nothing more of it for a month or five weeks—on 19th Dec. I went to the Borough Gaol, at Ipswich, I saw the prisoner there; I at once identified him as the man who had pawned this watch.

Cross-examined. Q. You say it was about a week after that he came; might it have been two or three days? A. It was somewhere about a week—it might have been three or four days.

JOSIAH TURNER . (Policeman, R 307). On 11th Dec. I apprehended the prisoner in Roseby Row, King Street, in the Borough—I had a constable from Ipswich with me—I awoke the prisoner, and asked him if he knew me—he said, "No, I don't"—I said, "Look at me again, I think you know me, if you look at me"—he then said, "I do know you"—I asked him what account he had to give of that job at Mr. Bedwell's, and what he knew about it—I had not told him I charged him with going to Mr. Bedwell's, I believe that was the first I said—he said he knew nothing at all about it—the other constable then said something to him—he said no more to me till he was going to the station—I said to him, "It will be a serious job for you;" and he asked me what I thought, he would get done to, whether he would got transported—I told him I could not say—he then said, "I did not do the job at Mr. Bedwell's, it was another young man that did the job"—I asked him who the other young man was—he did say a name, but I asked him again afterwards the name, and he said he could not tell me—he

said that other person was gone to sea—he said the other young man had pawned the watch in Ipswich, and had given him 30s., as his share, out of the money—he said, "I was ill at the time, I had an accident and fell down with a gun, and hurt myself"

Cross-examined. Q. Is that constable from Ipswich here? A. No—he went into the room with me—that Ipswich matter is done with—I told the prisoner to look at me, and then he recognised me—I began to talk to him in the way I have described—I said, "I want to know what account you can give of that job at Mr. Bedwell's"—the Ipswich constable came to take him, and I saluted him with this, but I had previously wanted him for this other matter—when I asked him this, he said he knew nothing about it—I don't recollect asking him about another matter, which occurred at Ipswich—the prisoner asked me what I thought would be done to him—he did not ask me what I thought would be done to him respecting the charge at Ipswich—the Ipswich constable went round the other way to get the property—I have been on duty at Deptford—I cannot say that I know a person of the name of Mayhew—I have made inquiries after him, but have not been able to find him—I have been to the Bee Hive, in Wellington Street, and the little Crown, in New Cross Road—I have not inquired about the wharfs.

WILLIAM VINCENT . (Police inspector, R). I apprehended the prisoner, on a warrant, at Ipswich Gaol, on 7th March—I told him it was on a charge of breaking into the dwelling house of Mr. Bedwell, at Deptford Bridge, and stealing a cash box and a watch—he made no reply—I took him before the magistrate at the Town Hall—I did not hear him say anything—while we were in the train, on the way to London, he asked me what punishment I thought he would get, whether I thought he would be transported for life—I said I did not know anything about it, I could not tell him—he said afterwards, "Did not that gentleman, at Ipswich, say it was likely I should get transported for life?"

Cross-examined. Q. I believe the prisoner said it with reference to pawning the watch? A. He said once in the carriage that it was unfortunate that he pawned the watch—I recollect his being examined before the Magistrate—he was asked whether he had any questions to put to me—I believe he said, "The conversation I had with him respecting transportation was respecting pawning the watch."

The prisoner's statement before the Magistrate was here read as follows: "I am innocent of the charge; I had the watch only in my possession five minutes; that was three months after I left Deptford; I went in and pawned it." Witness for the Defence.

JOSEPH SMITH . I am a stone mason, at Deptford. The prisoner is my son—I remember hearing of the robbery at Mr. Bedwell's, on the Monday evening after the Sunday on which it happened—I live in High Street, Deptford, and my eon was living with me at that time—on that Sunday he was in bed till nearly 12 o'clock in the day—he was in bad health, he had three abscesses at the time—he was up then till 9 o'clock in the evening, and then went to bed—he was out during that time, from half past 6 till 7 o'clock—he left about noon the next day for Ipswich—my wife has relations there—he had been two or three times to Ipswich—he afterwards shipped on board a billy boy, and was there several weeks—it was named McLaren, or something very similar to that.

Cross-examined by MR. PLATT. Q. He could walk? A. Yes, with a stick—the prosecutor's house is full a quarter of a mile from my place—I

know he had been lodging at the prosecutor's with his grandmother—I recollect that day, in consequence of his being at home and a little difference arising between us—he went to the Arsenal to work a fortnight before—my wife and my mother were in the house—he went away on the Monday without my sanction and without my knowledge.

COURT. Q. What is he by business? A. A stone mason—he was in my employ—he had been to sea about six weeks.

GUILTY . of Housebreaking. Aged 18.— Four Years Penal Servitude.


Before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18570406-540

540. JOHN TOBIN, GEORGE BRODERICK, JOHN DAVIS , and JOHN VERNON , stealing 2 cwts. 2qrs. 18 lbs. weight of hide pieces, value 11l.; the goods of Arthur Waring.

MESSRS. BODKIN. and COOPER. conducted the Prosecution.

HENRY HUNT . (Policeman, M 34). On 31st Jan., I was employed to watch the premises of Mr. Waring, a tanner, of Spa Road, Bermondsey, part of which are in the occupation of Mr. Barrow—I placed myself in Mr. Barrow's house, and could see any persons who entered Mr. Waring's premises—about 10 o'clock I saw Tobin and Vernon go to Mr. Waring's premises—they took the direction of a shed which is there, and in a few minutes I lost sight of them; I saw Tobin alone, about twenty minutes afterwards, going out of the yard into Spa Road—I saw nothing more of him—between 3 and 4 o'clock in the afternoon a man, named Butler, brought a truck there; it was drawn through the gateway, into Mr. Barrow's yard—he was followed by Vernon and Tobin, who shortly afterwards came out of the yard and separated—I proceeded to the end of the yard, and saw the truck, which had been taken in empty by Butler, loaded with hide pieces—I saw no more till about 6 o'clock, when I saw Tobin, Davis, and Broderick standing at the corner of Mr. Barrow's gateway; they remained there a few minutes, and all three went up the yard—in two or three minutes Broderick and Davis brought the truck out and went up Spa Road, towards Grange Road—I lost sight of Tobin, but I believe he was in the yard—when they got into Grange Road, I took hold of Broderick, and said, "Where have you brought these things from that you have got in the truck"—he said, "We have nothing to do with it, we have been employed by a tall man"—I took him into custody, and placed him, for security, in a butcher's shop; and Smith, who was with me, took Davis—I then went into Spa Road, and met Tobin close by Mr. Barrow's premises—I said, "I want you to go with me on a charge of stealing some hide pieces belonging to Mr. Waring"—he said, "Do not talk to me about hide pieces, I know nothing about them; speak to my foreman, Mr. M'Laughlin"—I then took him into custody, and took him to where the other prisoners were—they were then all taken to the station, and Butler also—when the charge was stated against Butler at the station, he said, "I will tell the truth, all I know about it; Tobin gave me 6d. to take the cart into the yard, and after it was loaded he wanted me to draw it out; but being told that something was wrong, I would not have anything to do with it;" the others said nothing in reply to that—I weighed the pieces I found in the truck; they weighed 2cwt. 2qrs. 18 lbs.—there was one bundle tied up, and the rest were loose.

Prisoner Vernon. It is very wrong to say that I was there in the morning, for I was not near; I was there between 3 and 4 o'clock.

COURT. Q. Where was Butler taken? A. In Grange Road, just at the time that Broderick was, he was standing at the corner of a street, just at the spot.

GEORGE SMITH . (Policeman, M 165). I was with Hunt—I placed myself in Spa Road, very nearly opposite the premises—I first saw Tobin and Vernon; that was between 3 and 4 o'clock in the afternoon—they went down Grange Road, and appeared to be drunk—they went towards Mr. Barrow's premises; I saw them come back, and did not see Tobin again till the evening, when it was dark—Vernon came back the same way, and I saw him enter Mr. Waring's premises—about ten minutes or a quarter of an hour afterwards, I saw Davis and Broderick together in Spa Road—they went into Mr. Barrow's premises, which adjoin Mr. Waring's, and when they came out Tobin was with them—I saw them all three near the gateway, in Spa Road, and they all went in at the gateway again, and Tobin, I believe it was, said, "Let us take it now;" and he afterwards said, "There is a b—crummy watching of us" (that was Hunt), "we shall not take it now," and they all went into the yard again—there was a truck at Mr. Barrow's gateway, loaded with white pieces like these (produced); I saw Broderick and Davis go in twice, or three times, and then bring out the truck and go towards Grange Road—it was then about half past 6 o'clock—Tobin followed them afterwards, and put his jacket on—I took Davis, and on Monday night I took Vernon, and told him that it was for being concerned with others in stealing some glue pieces from Mr. Waring's premises; he said that he had not been in Spa Road at all.

JOHN BARROW . I am a tanner, and occupy premises adjoining Mr. Waring's tanyard, where there are pits for soaking hides and a shed. His premises are divided from mine by a fence, and there is a gate from his premises into the main road, which was fastened; there was no work going on, the frost had stopped it—I was on the premises on the Saturday and saw Tobin there, who I knew to be for some time in Mr. Waring's employ, between 9 and 10 o'clock—I had seen him there frequently, and had often gone through the yard—he came in through my premises, in consequence of the gate being fastened, and got over into Mr. Waring's premises, by jumping over the fence; there is tan on one side and some hides on the other, so that it was easy to get over—I saw him and another man who I had never seen before, get over in the morning; I went into the yard and heard the rattling of pieces in the shed, but could not see anything—Tobin came and spoke to me when I was about the centre of the yard—he said that he had the key—I said that I had a great deal of property in the place, and I did not think anybody ought to go in who thought proper—he said that he came for 3 or 4 cwt of hide pieces, for samples, which were to be taken as soon as the cart came, and asked me if I had any objection to their bringing them by that road—I said, "No," and he went to the shed again—the other man must have been in the shed at that time, because I heard him rattling the pieces while Tobin was talking to me—Tobin returned to the shed and remained about twenty minutes; he then passed through my premises again and went out—when he had gone I still heard the noise of a man working in the shed for nearly an hour—I left the yard and returned between 2 and 3 o'clock—I then went to Mr. Waring's shed, and found two bundles of hide pieces tied up on the floor, but did not interfere with them—between 3 and 4 o'clock Tobin and another man came

through the yard; I thought it was Butler, I am sure it was not the man who came with him first—they both went to the shed, and I observed them bringing a bale of pieces towards the top of the ladder on the upper floor—Tobin came down to the foot of the ladder and the other pushed the pieces after him—the other man attempted to lift it on his back, but it was too heavy, I suppose, and he dropped it—I afterwards saw the two bales brought over the fence; two of Mr. Acker's men, who has a, lease of the premises adjoining, assisted them and lifted the bales over—I did not see the other man at that time, I was in the adjoining premises and could not have seen if I had been there—they were loaded into a truck that was standing in my yard near the fence, by Acker's men—I was engaged on my own business at the other part of the yard and did not see who was assisting them—I did not see the truck moved away, as I left the yard, but I saw it at nearly 6 o'clock—there were three men standing outside the gate, but I cannot swear to them, it was nearly dark.

SAMUEL BARKOW . I am the son of the last witness, and was at his yard on the morning of the 31st, between 10 and 11 o'clock, and Tobin and another man came; it was neither of the prisoners—they went straight through the yard, into Waring's glue shed, and Tobin came out again in about half an hour—between 2 and 3 o'clock in the afternoon I saw a truck in our yard, and two of Acker's men were bringing some pieces to it out of the yard; one of them is named Bateman and the other Spink—Tobin said to them, "Look sharp; I will give you 3s. if you will drag this piece here for me, as it is getting late, and I shall get the sack if I do not get home"—I saw three or four men hanging about till it became dark, and then they came into the yard and were going to move them, and Tobin came to the door to me and asked me if I would give him a piece of string to tie them on—I see all the men here—I saw the truck wheeled away, they took it right through the gateway, and through the Spa Road, and then I saw them taken into custody—Broderick, Davis, and, I believe, Vernon dragged the truck from the fence, and Tobin walked out behind it.

WILLIAM BATEMAN . I work for Mr. Acker, a tanner, whose premises adjoin Mr. Waring's. On the Saturday on which these men were taken, I helped them to load two bundles on to the truck, as Tobin asked me to help him as I was passing, and said that he would pay me 3s.; I told him I did not want anything—he said that he had to be at Mr. Proctor's at half past 4 o'clock, and should be behind—a man who worked with me named Sparks was there; he is not here—besides Tobin, a young man, named Butler, was there, but he did not touch anything, that I saw—I did not see the truck taken away, I merely helped to put the things in.

ELIZABETH BUCKINGHAM . I am the wife of William Buckingham, of No. 36, Fendall Street, Bermondsey; he lets out trucks. On Saturday afternoon, 31st Jan., John Tobin and a person named Vernon came, between 3 and 4 o'clock, to hire a truck—Tobin was very much intoxicated, and I refused to let him one; upon that he gave me a half crown deposit for it—I told him that he was not capable of taking care of it; Vernon said that he would take care of it for him, and I let them have it—I afterwards found it at the police station.

JOHN HOLLAND . I am a labourer, and work with Mr. Hooper, whose premises adjoin Mr. Waring's. On Saturday, 31st, I saw Tobin and Vernon on Mr. Waring's premises, being up glue pieces; after that I saw them remove them.

Vernon. Q. Did you see me on Saturday? A. Yes, between 3 and 4

o'clock in the afternoon—I knew you by sight, haying seen you there several times before.

Vernon. I was in a public house, right facing the bar.

ARTHUR WARING . I am a hide merchant, of Bermondsey; my premises are in Spa Road, adjoining Mr. Barrow's. Tobin entered my service about Oct., and was employed as a labourer—I discharged him some time in Jan., in consequence of the frost—nobody was employed on my premises between 20th Jan. and Feb.—these articles were kept in a shed appropriated for drying; they are worth 75s. to 80s. a cwt—Tobin had no authority to take away any of these pieces, or any property of mine on 31st Jan.; he had no business there at all.

EDWARD M'LAUGHLIN . I am foreman to Mr. Waring. Tobin was in my employ, but I discharged him a fortnight before this, when the frost set in—I gave him no authority to take these skins; he had no right to be on the premises—I was out of town.

Davis's Defence. I was employed by Tobin to drive the cart to the top of the road.

Vernon's Defence. I was not on the premises; I went to Spa Road between 3 and 4 o'clock, but was not there five minutes; I am very often up and down the road, but was never on the premises that day at all.

COURT. to SAMUEL BARROW. Q. You say that three or four men were hanging about outside the premises; was Vernon one of them? A. To the best of my belief he was, but it was nearly dark—I followed the truck almost immediately, but lost sight of it when it got three or four yards ahead—I am quite sure there were three men.

COURT. to GEORGE SMITH. Q. You mentioned seeing Broderick and Davis go in and bring out the truck; was anybody eke with them? A. There was a third—vernon was not with him when he brought the truck.

TOBIN— GUILTY . Aged 26.

BRODERICK— GUILTY . Confined Four Months.

DAVIS— GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Six Months.


Reference Number: t18570406-541

541. JOHN TOBIN and JOHN VERNON were again indicted for stealing 2 cwt and 7 lbs. of hide pieces, value 11l.; the goods of Arthur Waring; and ALFRED BEVINGTON and JAMES PROCTOR , feloniously receiving the same.

MESSRS. BODKIN. and COOPER. conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM KENNEDY . I am a tanner, in the Grange Road, Bermondsey. On 30th Jan. I saw Tobin in Mr. Waring's premises; I cannot say at what time it was; it was before dinner—he was going towards Mr. Waring's premises—I did not see where he went, I returned to my work again—I came out again, and saw him come out of Mr. Waring's premises with two or three bundles of glue pieces, similar to those that have been produced—he carried them towards Mr. Barrow's place—I know the gateway of Mr. Barrow's; I could not say whether he carried them in that direction, I saw him carry them towards the fence—I saw him there again next day.

THOMAS MERRYMAN . I am a greengrocer, at No. 14, Spa Road, Bermondsey. I let out a horse and cart—I recollect Tobin coming to me—he asked me to do a job for him, to remove three bundles of glue pieces from Mr. Waring's premises to Bevington and Proctor's, in Grange Road—I went here with my horse and cart—I did not go to Mr. Barrow's, I went first to the Spa Road on 29th Jan.—I went on the 30th to Mr. Barrow's premises, I did not find Vernon there; that was the day before; I only

saw Tobin on the premises that day—Tobin loaded the cart, assisted by me—they were taken from Mr. Waring's premises on to Mr. Barrow's premises, but where he fetched them from I could not see; he brought them across the yard—he then went out of the gateway—this was between 1 and 2 o'clock, Tobin was with me—he had told me the day before the 29th, that if they asked me where they came from, I must not say, because they would be able to buy them the same as him; I was to say they came from Croydon the name of Edwards—I drove into Messrs. Bevington's premises; that is not a quarter of a mile from Mr. Waring's—it would take about ten minutes to go, hardly that—Tobin went with me—he saw them unloaded, and then he went into the counting house—I did not see whether they were weighed or not—they were carried into a shed—I did not go into the counting house—when I came out, I saw Vernon waiting outside—Tobin paid me for the cart, and then joined Vernon—my cart had my name and address on it, "Thomas Merryman No. 14, Spa Road."

Cross-examined by SIR FREDERICK THESIGER. (with MR. SERJEANT PARRY. and MR. ROBINSON., for Bevington and Proctor). Q. You were told by Tobin to say, if any inquiries were made, that the goods came from Edwards, of Croydon? A. Yes—inquiries were made at Bevington and Proctor's by a Mr. Neale—he said he saw that I was a Bermondsey man by the cart—that was the first day—Mr. Neale inquired of me where the goods came from—I told him as I was told by Tobin.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Do you remember exactly the question that Neale put to you? A. I do—he said, "I see you are a Bermondsey man, do you think these goods are all right?'—I said I believed they were, and then I told him I believed they came from Edwards, of Croydon—he said, "I don't know where these small men get their goods, has he been a salesman?"—I said I did not know the man, I never saw him before in my life—he said I was not to name to Tobin that he had made that inquiry, but I did when he paid me.

COURT. Q. What were the words used? A. He asked me if the goods were all right; I said I believed they were—he said, "Where did they come from?"—I said I believed they came from a man named Edwards, of Croydon—he said, "Because he says he has been a soldier, and we don't know where these small men buy their goods"—I told him I did not know the man, and never saw him in my life before.

EDWARD M'LAUGHLIN . I am in the employ of Mr. Waring. Tobin was in his employment—I discharged him a fortnight before the robbery—I went to Mr. Bevington's before this, I think it was on 22nd Jan.—I saw Mr. Neale and Mr. Proctor; I bought a quantity of goods from them, and went back to buy some more—they had nothing to supply me with—Mr. Neale said to me, "What will you take for a ton of glue pieces?"—I said we could let him have a ton—he asked what I would charge him—I said, "They are worth 80s. a cwt."—he said, "It is too much, I will give you 70s. "—I said I would not take it, but I said, "As you are a customer of ours, you shall have them at 75s. "—he said he would take them—I said, "You must send your cart for them."

Cross-examined by MR. SERJEANT PARRY. Q. How long have Messrs, Bevington and Proctor been customers of yours? A. I should say above twenty years, to me, not to Mr. Waring; they have been customers of Mr. Waring's about five years or five and a half—they have had large dealings—I will not say to the extent of 1, 000l. a year—I was in business for myself at one time, as a hide merchant—I had dealings with Mr. Bevington and

Mr. Proctor's father for upwards of twenty years—during the whole of that period they conducted themselves as respectable and honourable men—no men ever conducted themselves more honestly or properly; they have been the most respectable men in the trade—they are glue manufacturers—it is customary in the glue trade to buy small lots of hide or skin for the purpose of melting—there are persons who are called "small people," who go about to the different hide merchants, and collect small lots to sell to glue makers; they go to tanners and fellmongers; that is the common ordinary course of things in reference to the glue trade—I knew Tobin's father, he was a collector of small pieces; I had known him as a collector of small pieces for I should say twenty years—Mr. Waring has never purchased of Tobin's father, to my knowledge—Mr. Waring is a hide merchant—I do not say that he would have no occasion to purchase small lots; he might, but he never purchased them from him—I do not know whether he has purchased small lots, I cannot say—I do not know whether he has sold small lots to Tobin's father—I have sold to Tobin myself, but I always sent a man with him to bring the money back—I have not sold to Tobin's father above twice, I have known persons that sold to him—I have known Tobin as a small dealer of this kind in the glue trade for upwards of twenty-three years.

MR. BODKIN. Q. How long is it since you sold anything to Tobin's father? A. I should say better than five years—he has been dead nearly twelve months—I have known nothing of his transactions for five years, because he gave me a little annoyance.

MR. SERJEANT PARRY. Q. Do you know that Mr. Proctor's father was dying on 23rd Jan.? A. Yes, I believe he was buried on 31st, and the warehouse was shut up that day or about that day—I cannot say whether he died on 27th, it was about that time—he died at his country house, near Lewisham.

ARTHUR WARING . I am a hide and skin merchant at Bermondsey. I have had many dealings with Messrs. Bevington and Proctor, perhaps to the extent of 500l. or 600l. a year—Tobin was in my service from Oct., and was discharged in Jan.—on 30th Jan., I missed property of this sort from my shed, and in consequence, I employed persons to watch the premises, which led to the discovery on Saturday the 31st, and to the taking of the other four prisoners into custody—on the Monday morning, about eight o'clock, I went with Inspector Mackintosh to Mr. Bevington's premises—I saw the foreman, and he went for Mr. Bevington, I also saw Proctor—I addressed Mr. Bevington, and told him that I understood he had been receiving a quantity of hide pieces which had been stolen from my premises—he said, "Indeed"—I said, "Yes, it is a very serious affair; I should like you to show me the vouchers you received, and also to tell me the price you gave for them"—he said, "There was no note came with them, "he looked on a file and showed me two papers—these are them (produced), one is made out by Mr. Bevington, and the other by Mr. Neale, the traveller—I know Mr. Bevington's writing, I think I could swear to the writing—he said, "That is what we have given for them" (Read: "28th Jan., 1857. Proctor, Bevington, and Co., bought of John Tobin, 3 cwt. 14 lbs. of hide pieces at 32s. 5l.—received, J. Tobin" "30th Jan., 1857. Proctor and Co., bought of J. Tobin, 207 hide pieces at 32s., 3l. 6s. Paid same time, John Tobin)"—Seeing that the price there stated was 32s., I was a little excited and said, "Good God, Mr. Bevington, is it possible that you received such goods as those without vouchers, and gave that price for them! your own traveller, Mr. Neale, bought a ton of my

traveller at 75s., and if you throw open your gates and receive goods in this way, no tradesman is safe in the hands of his servants"—no reply was made to that—then I said, "I should like to see the goods," and I said, "This is inspector Mackintosh, he must take possession of them"—he was present during the whole conversation, he was in his police dress—Mr. Bevington said, "If you will give me the money back that I have given for them"—I said, "No, not a farthing, the goods are my property, and Mackintosh will take possession of them"—as we were walking over to the warehouse, I said, "We had better have them weighed"—Mr. Bevington said, he thought there was no occasion to weigh them, as they were loose, and it was a cold morning—I acceded and said, "Well, we will load them without," but on going into the warehouse, and looking at the bulk, I said I thought it would be best for all parties that they should be weighed—they were weighed, and they weighed 8 cwt., 1 qr., 25 lbs.—I said to Mr. Bevington, it was very extraordinary that there should be such a discrepancy in what they weighed out, and what they had got in the invoices, what they had paid for—Mr. Bevington and Mr. Proctor were present a portion of the time of the weighing; the foreman was there and took the weights down—I addressed the foreman, when I spoke of the discrepancy, and his reply was, "I weighed them all, and sent the account in, and if it is not there, it is not my fault"—we then went into the counting house, and I again expressed my wonder that there should be such a difference, and said they must try and endeavour to find the other vouchers, which they did, but could not succeed in finding anything beyond what they showed me first—I said it was a very funny way of doing things—the foreman brought in the weighing book, and turned and found an entry (looking at the weighing book) this is the entry, it is on 23rd, "Tobin, 1. 3. 17."—I said, "That does not make up what we weighed with your man"—they referred again, and I think they found another entry of another cwt.—I do not think I saw that entry myself—the foreman turned to the book in my presence—I might have looked over the book, but whether I saw this or not, I should not like to say—it was said in my presence that on such a day, there was such a quantity—I find an entry of 1 cwt. on 27th Jan. 1l. 12s.—all these together amount to within a few pounds of what was weighed—there are four entries, one on 23rd, one on 27th, one on 28th, and one on 30th, all in the name of Tobin—I do not know the handwriting—we took the goods away to the police station—three or four days afterwards, I went again to Mr. Bevington's, I do not remember the day—I saw both Mr. Bevington and Mr. Proctor—I asked them if they had found any further vouchers, they said no, they had not—I said "Well, it is a strange way of doing business, taking in goods not knowing where they come from, without any vouchers—I asked who fixed the price—I understood Mr. Proctor to reply that Mr. Bevington fixed the price, and that he (Proctor) paid the cash—the price is mentioned in the invoice as 32s., there is no price in the weighing book, merely the weight—(SIR FREDERICK THESIGER. produced the cash book and ledger, which MR. BODKIN. put in as his evidence)—the entry in the cash book is, "Tobin, cash, 3l. 0s. 10d., ditto, 17s. 6d. "—that, calculated according to the weight, would be 32s. a cwt.—this is the ledger—there is an account here with Tobin, sen., that account closes on 26th April, 1856

Q. What was the fair market price of these goods at that time? A. It varied from 70s. to 75s:—there was a middling quality that I could have sold at 73s., but these goods were worth 75s.—there is a fair sample here—they are not used for making common glue—they are used for making a

superior size—some call them glue pieces, and some hide pieces—they are perfectly distinct from the pieces used for common glue; they go by the same name—the difference in quality is to be seen at once by persons conversant with the trade—the size is used by paper makers—papers cannot be made without it—the paper makers buy the raw material, and make it themselves—seven-eighths of them make their own size—Messrs. Bevington are dealers in skins as well as glue manufacturers—they buy these things to sell again in this state.

Cross-examined by SIR FREDERICK THESIGKR. Q. Did you go to the premises of Messrs. Bevington and Proctor, on Saturday, 31st Jan.? A. No; I think not—oh yes, I went with the inspector and two detectives, and found the premises closed—it was the day of the funeral of Mr. Proctor's father, and when I found what it was, I desisted from going further that day—I think I saw Mr. Bevington, jun. on that day at the private house—we went to the private house—I think I told him for what purpose I had come, for the purpose of ascertaining whether there were any glue pieces which had been stolen from my premises—the glue pieces that were taken away by the inspector on the Monday were in a shed nearly facing the office, close to a press, for the purpose of being baled up—it is a regular shed with gates—the gates were shut when we went down on the Monday—the shed gates were closed—that is my impression—we went to another part of the yard when we first went in, but the foreman was gone for Mr. Bevington, and when we came back I certainly think the gates were closed—I should not like to swear that they were—I really cannot charge my memory whether there are any gates to the shed or not—there were gates, I think, certainly—it was after the 2nd Feb. that I received these papers—I asked Mr. Bevington to lend them to me, which he did—may I be permitted to state that I have no vindictive feeling in any way towards Messrs. Bevington and Proctor—I have known Mr. Bevington I should think these twenty years—he is at present churchwarden of the parish, and a trustee of the Free Grammar School at Bermondsey—during the whole time I have known him, his character has been the most straightforward of any in the trade—I have dealt with him for many years, and never had the slightest dispute in any way.

JAMES MACINTOSH . (Police-inspector, M). I went with Mr. Waring to Mr. Bevington's premises on Monday, 2nd Feb.—the goods were brought away on that day—I did not notice whether there were any gates to the shed from which they were taken—the place was wide open—if there were gates they were open.

(A number of highly respectable witnesses deposed to the good character of Mr. Bevington and Mr. Proctor.)

JURY. to EDWARD M'LAUGHLIN. Q. What is the lowest price at which you have known any of these sold within the last few months? A. I have not known any sold—I have sold some myself within the last twelve months—I have not sold anything of the same quality at less than 54s.—I have sold some qualities at 22s., and 24s. within the last month.

TOBIN— GUILTY . Aged 26.— Confined Eighteen Months.

VERNON— GUILTY . Aged 40.— Confined Twelve Months.


(There was another indictment against Bevington and Proctor for receiving other skins, upon which no evidence was offered.)

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542. WILLIAM SAUNDERS and WILLIAM HAMMOND were indicted for a robbery on George John Miller Rankin, and stealing 4s., his moneys.

MR. LANGFORD. conducted the Prosecution.

FREDERICK COLLINGWOOD . I am landlord of the Feathers, in Lambeth Walk. On Tuesday morning, 24th March, about 2 o'clock, the prosecutor, Mr. Rankin, came into my house; the two prisoners were with him; they had a quartern of gin together, which I served them with—Saunders went out with Mr. Rankin to see him home, Hammond remained in the house some little time afterwards—the prosecutor had some money, I could not say how much; he had some few shillings, and I think I changed a 2s. piece for the gin, and that was all that he had in my house, for he was in liquor—my house is generally shut by 12 o'clock, and I was having alterations made at the time, and happened to have one or two of my neighbours there, and as they knocked I let them in.

Saunders. Q. Was not the prosecutor fighting in front of the bar with your barman? A. No, there was no fighting in the house at all; the barman was there, and three tradesmen, neighbours of mine; no one was serving behind the bar but myself.

Hammond. Q. The barman was before the bar, was he not? A. Yes, he used to live barman with the person I took the house of; his name is Thomas; he was drinking with a Mr. Palmer, a builder—I swear I saw no disturbance between him and the prosecutor—the prosecutor was not struck by him and turned out of the house—you did not ask me at the examination for the address of the gentlemen that were there, or the address of the barman; I did not know where he lived—I did not promise the Magistrate to give you the addresses—you stopped in the house it might be a quarter of an hour or twenty minutes after the prosecutor left—you were taken into custody just as you were going out.

GEORGE JOHN MILLER RANKIN . I live at No. 58, Catherine Street, Lambeth. On 24th March, about 2 o'clock, I was going home not quite sober—I went into the Feathers public house—I met the prisoners near the door of the Feathers, they both spoke to me—Saunders professed to know me; he said he worked in the same place with me, and he would see me home—we went into the Feathers, and had a quartern of gin—I am not aware that I fought with anybody there—I did not observe any fighting—I was in there I should say ten minutes—I left with Saunders—after proceeding about fifty yards from the house, I was knocked down, and became insensible; I had power to call "Police!"—I believe it to be Saunders who knocked me down—I felt something like pitch or tar about my mouth, I do not know how it got there—I believe I lost 4s. and my handkerchief, I do not know how I lost it—I had never seen either of the prisoners before.

Saunders. I was going home, and he asked me to see him a little way down the street. Witness. It is false; I wanted to get quit of them, and it was through kindness that I took them in to treat them—I cannot swear that you took my money.

COURT. Q. How much money had you when you went out that evening? A. I think 7s.—when I came to myself, I had two sixpences and a copper or two; I had spent about 2s. or thereabouts, I am not quite certain of the exact amount—I had been with a party of friends previously.

WILLIAM SLACK . (Policeman, L 26). About a quarter past 3 o'clock on Tuesday morning, 24th March, I was on duty in Paradise Street, near the Feathers—I saw the two prisoners outside the Feathers' door, and the prosecutor standing there; Hammond did not stop long, he went into the house directly—Saunders and the prosecutor stopped in conversation a little

time—seeing that the prosecutor was the worse for drink, I came up to Saunders, and said, "Do you know this man?"—he said, "Yes, we belong to the same firm, in Lincoln's Inn Fields; he is a clerk, and I am a porter there, and I am going to see him home"—they went in the direction of the railway arch—I stopped where I was for about five minutes—I heard a scuffle and some noise, and I heard "Police!" called loudly—I ran in the direction of the railway arch, and met Saunders running from the arch—I caught hold of him by the breast, and asked him was there anything amiss—he said, "No"—I said, "You will come back with me until I see"—I went back to the railway arch, and saw the prosecutor lying on his back with his face all smothered in blood—I said to Saunders, "What is this, how came you to knock the man down?"—he made no reply—when the prosecutor recovered himself, he said he believed Saunders was the man that knocked him down—when I got him to the station, I observed a pitch plaster or something like tar smeared about his mouth—there was nothing of the kind about him when I first spoke to Saunders about him—I saw nothing more of Hammond until he was taken into custody outside the public house.

ALFRED ANSELL . (policeman, L 86). On Tuesday morning, 24th March I came from Lambeth-walk up to the Feathers—I saw Slack, Saunders, and the prosecutor standing together, and two females and a man standing on the pavement—Slack said to me, "This man's face is smothered in blood and torn to pieces"—I turned on my lamp and looked at Saunders, and said, "You hold him tight, I know him, his pal is here somewhere"—I turned and saw two prostitutes and Hammond standing on the pavement by the Feathers—I seized hold of Hammond—he said, "Leave me go, I have done nothing"—I said, "I will see first"—I took him into the Feathers, and asked the landlord if he had been in company with Saunders—he said, "Yes, they were both in here together"—Hammond got hold of me by the throat and threw me down.

The Recorder was of opinion that there was no case against Hammond, Sounders' Defence. At the first examination the Magistrate asked the prosecutor if he had lost any property or money, and he said he had not, and at the next examination he said he had lost 4s. and a handkerchief; how can he say that I knocked him down, he being so drunk?

SAUNDERS— GUILTY . Aged 26.— Four Tears Penal Servitude.


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543. HENRY COPPIN was indicted for a robbery, together with a man unknown, upon James Stratford, and stealing 1l. 9s. 8d., the monies of George Cope.

MR. W. T. ABRAM. conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES STRATFORD . I am in the employ of Mr. Cope, a butcher, of No. 6, Larkhall Lane. On 23rd March, between 9 and 10 o'clock at night, I went to Mr. Neale, a customer of my master's, and received 1l. 9s. 8d. from him; he paid it me on a block in the open shop—while I was there I saw the prisoner and another passing by—after receiving the money I came down Manor Street—the prisoner and another one were on the same side, following me—I was whistling—the prisoner said, "Oh, you naughty boy, what are you making that noise for?"—as soon as I got to the corner he laid hold of my throat, and said to the other one, "Don't forget to leave any, but take it all"—the other one did take it all, and then they ran straight down the road, till they got to Albany-road—I ran after them, crying, "Stop thief!"—I did not lose sight of them till they turned the corner, and when I turned the corner, I saw them again—a policeman ran

after them and caught; the prisoner—I am quite sure he is the man that assisted to rob me.

Prisoner. Q. How far were you behind me? A. A good way, I cannot say how far; I saw you turn the corner and cross the road.

COURT. Q. Had you ever seen him before? A. No—I did not lose sight of him except when he turned the comer—I dare say I was about two minutes turning the corner after him—I saw nobody else running but him and the other man; a gentleman ran after him and tried to catch him, that was all.

MATTHIAS SHEE . (policeman, V 219). On the night of 23rd March, I was in Larkhall Lane, Clapham; I heard a cry of "Stop thief," and saw the prisoner and another man run past me from the direction of Manor Street—I gave chase—the prisoner ran into a dark corner and I took him into custody—the prosecutor came up and said he had robbed him.

Prisoner's Defence. I am as innocent as a child; I shall be very thankful if you will have mercy upon me, as I have no one to speak in my behalf.

GUILTY .—Aged 17*.— Confined Twelve Months.

Before Mr. Justice Williams.

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544. JAMES WRIGHT , unlawfully detaining 5 post letters, contrary to his duty.

MESSRS. BODKIN. and CLERK. conducted the Prosecution.

WALTER ROBERTSON SCULTHORPE . I am one of the deputy comptrollers of the Post Office. The prisoner has been employed in the Post Office for about two years as a letter carrier at Streatham—in consequence of some complaints that had been made, on 16th March, I made up a test letter, addressed to James Denyer, C. Candy's, Esq., Well Field, Streatham—I placed inside it twelve penny postage stamps, and sealed it with adhesive gum, and gave it to Mr. Cole to post; that was about 12 o'clock in the day—later in the day, I saw that letter in the Post Office, in the Circulation department, where the letters are stamped; it was despatched that evening, and would arrive at Streatham, in due course by the evening bag—there is an 8 o'clock delivery at Streatham on Saturdays—this (produced) is the letter—it bears the midday stamp.

Cross-examined by MR. LAXTON. Q. This was not a letter posted in the ordinary course? A. Yes, it was a genuine letter—my object in putting the twelve stamps in the letter was, that if the letter was destroyed, I might have the chance of finding the property on the prisoner—the letter was posted for the purpose of detecting the dishonest party—there was another letter carrier employed in that district besides the prisoner.

WELCOME COLE . On 16th March I received a letter from Mr. Sculthorpe—I posted it at the General Post Office, in the ordinary way, by dropping it into the letter box—this is the letter—in the course of that afternoon I went down to Streatham with Smee the officer—I inquired about the letter and found it had not been delivered—I waited as late as 9 o'clock—I then went to the neighbourhood of the prisoner's house and saw him on his return home—I stopped him and asked him if his name was Wright—he said, "Yes"—I asked him if he was on duty when the 6 o'clock letters arrived from London—he said, "Yes"—I asked if he sorted the letters for delivery—he said he sorted some of them—I asked if he had seen a letter directed to James Denyer, C. Candy's, Esq., Well Field, Streatham—he said, no he had not—I said he must have seen it, for I could prove that it was sent down, and that I had seen the other letter carrier, who was prepared to make oath that he had not seen the letter (I had seen the other letter carrier)—he

repeated that he had not seen it—I told him I knew better, and the reason of his not delivering it—I asked if he had any objection to let me see the contents of his pockets—he said, "None"—I then went with him into his house, accompanied by the constable and Pratt, the charge taker—I saw this pocket book taken from him, and took from it this envelope, folded up as it is now—it is addressed to Mrs. Denyer, No. 10, Devonshire Street, Queen Square, Holborn—I asked the prisoner how he accounted for having that in his possession—he hesitated—I said, "I can account for it, for this is the envelope given to you by young Denyer, to whom the letter I am searching for is directed"—I told him it was given him to enclose an order for 10s., which he was to obtain—he said, he did not get the money order, for he had forgotten who had given him the money—I said it did not appear that he had forgotten it, by his not delivering the letter, as directed, to the party—he said he thought that might be the party, from what another letter carrier had told him on the Saturday previous—I again asked him what had become of the letter—his wife, who was present, also asked him what he had done with it, and begged of him to tell me the truth; after hesitating a minute or more, he said, "I will show it you"—I said, "Where is it, then?"—he said, "I will go and show it you"—I sent Smee with him, I remained in the house—they returned in about twenty-five minutes, and Smee gave me the letter in question and four others—the letters themselves have been forwarded to the parties they were intended for, and I only produce the covers—when these letters were produced I asked the prisoner why they were not delivered—he said he had not had time—Smee told me, in his presence, where he had found them—I asked the prisoner if he had not been to No. 10, Streatham Common—he said, yes, he had—I said, "You have been to the Rookery, too, have you not?"—he said, yes, he had—I said, "Then those houses being on either side of Mr. Candy's, you must have passed his door to go to them"—he made no reply—he must have passed Mr. Candy's to go to the Rookery—the whole of these covers have the stamp of 16th March—they are within the prisoner's delivery—he was detained in custody—I afterwards received from Pratt four letters and two newspapers, I produce the covers—they bear the Post Office stamp of 4th, 9th, and 12th March—I afterwards went to a field with Smee, and found seventeen or eighteen letters and three newspapers—I produce the covers, they appear all to bear the Post Office stamp of November—I also found ten others in the same field, bearing the December stamp—the whole of those letters are addressed to persons within the prisoner's delivery.

Cross-examined. Q. There is another letter carrier in that district, is there not? A. Yes; he was not employed on the same beat as the prisoner, he took the other part of Streatham—I do not know, of my own knowledge, that the prisoner was employed on that beat in Nov. and Dec.—at the time these letters were found they were all wet, and in a pulpy state, and opened of their own accord—one or two have been found since, in a hedge; some were found in his house—they were all perfect, except one—there was nothing to show that they had been opened—the letter in question had not been opened—I believe the postage stamps are still in the letter; it has not been opened yet—the other four letters, found in the field, had not been opened—I do not know the extent of the prisoner's beat—he came on duty at 7 o'clock in the morning, and was partially employed till 8 o'clock at night—his duty would not occupy the whole of that time—I believe he was entirely in the service of the Post Office during that time—I know these letters have been through the post, by their bearing the Post Office stamp—the

place where the five letters were found in the field has been pointed out to me; it is on the prisoner's beat—I do not know that he had to pass there just about 8 o'clock—it is not near the spot where he would terminate his delivery, I should say it would be a quarter of a mile from it—I think he must have purposely gone out of the road—there is a footway across the field; he could go that way home—it is about half a mile from his house, and about the same from Mr. Candy's—he would pass along the main road and there is a stile leading into the field—the place where the letters were found is about fifty yards from the road—the road would be a portion of his beat.

WILLIAM SMEE . I am a constable attached to the General Post Office. On the evening of 16th March I went with Mr. Cole to Streatham—I was directed to go with the prisoner to see where the letters were—he took me to a place called Duke's Field, about half a mile from his house—there is a footpath across that field—as we were going along the footpath the prisoner stepped out of the path, and said, "I think they are somewhere here, I do not know exactly where"—he commenced searching in the grass in a small water grip; by the side of the path—after searching for about a minute or two, he took out five letters from the water grip; these are the covers of four, and the fifth is the letter in question—I said, "When did you place them here?"—he said, "About 8 o'clock this evening"—I said, "How come you to place them here?"—he said, "Because I was too tired to deliver them"—I said, "You must have had some motive in placing them here, if it had rained they would have been all destroyed; however came you to put them in a place like this?"—he hesitated for some minutes, and then he said, "I placed them there because they should not be found upon me"—I then went back with him to his house—two days afterwards I went back to the field with Cole—I pointed out to him the place where the prisoner had found the five letters—we both commenced searching in the grip, and I saw Cole find the bundle of seventeen letters produced—two days afterwards we found three other lots in the same grip, but 400 or 500 yards further up, close by the footpath—they are the letters that have been produced.

Cross-examined. Q. He expressed no hesitation in pointing out the place, did be? A. No—I believe he said, at first, "I put them there, intending to deliver them in the morning"—none of the letters were opened.

JAMES DENYER . I am in the service of Mr. Candy, of Millfield, Streatham. I know the prisoner as a letter carrier there—he often came to my master's house with letters, sometimes twice a day; he was there on 23rd Feb. last—I gave him this envelope on that day, and half a sovereign and 3d. to get a money order—it is addressed to my brother's wife—I did not see him after that until 17th March; the other postman, Lester, brought the letters, the prisoner never came to the house afterwards.

Cross-examined. Q. I suppose the prisoner only came there as a letter carrier? A. That is all—the letters were sometimes delivered by him, and sometimes by Lester; but since that day I did not see the prisoner at all—letters came every day.

SARAH ANN DENYER . I am sister-in-law of last witness, and live at No. 10, Devonshire Street, Queen Square, Holborn. I never received a letter addressed in this way from my brother, nor any money order for 10s.

FRANCES MATTHEWS . I live at Streatham; the prisoner lodged at my house. On 21st March, after he was in custody, I was sweeping out the cellar, and found three letters rolled up in a piece of window blind—I gave

them to Mr. Pratt on the 25th, with two newspapers, and another letter which I found in a little hamper in the cellar; it was the cellar the prisoner had, and it was in his wife's care—one of the letters was partly opened.

Cross-examined. Q. No seal was broken? A. No, only the corner broken, that might have been through being rolled up—another postman lodges in my house, not Lester, a man named Smith, he came the evening the prisoner was taken, he did not lodge there at that time.

HENRY PRATT . I am principal letter carrier at Streatham—the prisoner was employed under me—I received these four letters, and two newspapers, from Mrs. Matthews, they are all within the prisoner's delivery.

Cross-examined. Q. There was another letter carrier besides the prisoner? A. Yes, his name is Letter—he was suspended on the Saturday previous to the Monday on which the prisoner was taken into custody.

MR. BODKIN. Q. What was the reason of his suspension? A. He was tipsy.

GEORGE WOOD . I am in the service of Mr. Goldsmith, of Norbury House, Streatham. Ten of the letters produced are addressed to my master, and members of the family—I know the prisoner as a letter carrier in that district; these letters were never brought to my master's house until Mr. Pratt came with them.

AUGUSTUS FLOWER FREEMAN . I reside at Lower Streatham. Here is a cover of a letter addressed to me, bearing the stamp of 22nd Nov.; the letter was given me by Cole—it was not presented to me before.

Cross-examined. Q. You have only the envelope there? A. No; I have the letter in my pocket which came in it.

(MR. LAXTON. submitted that the letter in question being a test letter, was not a post letter, and did not come within the section of the Act of Parliament upon which the prisoner was indicted. MR. JUSTICE WILLIAMS. was of opinion that it was a post letter, and that it was for the Jury to say whether or not it was the prisoner's duty to have delivered it.)

GUILTY . Aged 29.— Confined Eighteen Months.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

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545. THOMAS WELLER and WILLIAM LOVETT , unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin: having other counterfeit coin in their possession.

MESSRS. THOMPSON. and POLAND. conducted the Prosecution.

RICHARD LOWE . I am a baker, of Church Row, Wandsworth. On Sunday morning, 8th March, between 9 and 10 o'clock, Weller came for 1 lb. of flour, and gave me a bad shilling—I picked it up, and chucked it down again, but said nothing—he took it up, and I asked him to let me look at it—he did so, but told me not to bend it—I put it between my teeth, bent it, and gave it to him back—he said that his father gave it to him to get the flour, and then gave me a good shilling and left.

Weller. It was good, but being thin it bent easily. Witness. It was not thin; it was quite a new shilling—it bent very easily, and my teeth made an impression upon it—I am sure it was bad.

GEORGE JOSEPH MITCHELL . I live with my father, a pork butcher, in Wandsworth. On Thursday, 12th March, a lad came for a halfpenny worth of peas pudding, and put 1s. into my father's hand—I took it, put it between my teeth, and told him that it was bad—he went out of the shop, and I followed him to the King's Arms—he said that he would go and fetch Lovett out, who gave him the shilling—he fetched Lovett out and said, "Mitchell says this is not a good shilling"—I asked him where he got it—he

said that he took it for taking a parcel home for a gentleman from a railway station, and that if I would give it to him back he would run to the gentleman's house and change it—I did not give it to him—several persons were present who came out of the public house, and among others, Weller—I know the prisoners well, and have seen them together frequently.

Lovett. I got it changed next day.

JOHN DUDLEY . (Police sergeant, V 40). On Friday morning, 13th March, about 11 o'clock, I saw the prisoners together in High Street, Wandsworth, walking very fast towards Mr. Gray's shop—I knew them very well, and am sure they are the men.

ANDREW GRAY . I am a grocer, of Wandsworth Road. On 13th March, between 11 and 12 o'clock, Lovett came for half an ounce of tobacco—it came to 1 1/2 d—he gave me 1s., which I put in the detector and found to be bad—I said, "This is a bad shilling," and asked him if he had another—he said, no, he had only 1d.—he said that he got it for working, and asked me to return it—I said, "No, there is a policeman not far distant, and he shall decide it"—I went to the door, and he bolted past me, and ran towards the Falcon Inn—I saw Weller standing at the corner of the bridge, 80 or 100 yards from the shop, and as soon as Lovett came up to him, he ran—I followed and gained upon him—a policeman was coming down the field, but a house was being pulled down and he could not get quick enough to stop them, and one went right and the other left, and they were not taken in my sight—Weller was brought back and given in my charge by M'Kie—I saw Lovett at the Police Court, Wandsworth, on the following morning—I kept the shilling, marked it, and gave it to Sprake.

LOVETT. Q. What was the reason that you did not swear to me next morning? A. I had a charitable feeling towards you, I thought that, being young, you might have repented a little by being locked up—I said that I had a doubt about you.

COURT. Q. Have you any doubt now? A. Not a bit—when I found that his character was such as it ought not to be, I let the matter rest—I am sure he is the man.

JOHN M'KIE . I live at No. 3, Latimer Street, Falcon Lane. On Friday, 13th March, I met the prisoners running in Falcon Lane—they passed me, and Mr. Gray was pursuing them—after Lovett had got a certain distance he turned off to the right—I followed Weller, but lost sight of him for a moment between two unfinished houses, and when I came to the opening, he came out with a carpenter, bricklayer, and plasterer—his hands were dirty with mortar—I asked him what he had been running after—he said that a man told him to run after some one down there, but he could not see any one—I took him to the Lord Auckland public house, where Mr. Gray was; left him in his custody; went back, and from what one of the plasterers told me, looked at some mortar, and found five counterfeit shillings.

ROBERT SPRAKE . On Friday, 13th March, between 11 and 12 o'clock, the prisoners ran past me, and Mr. Gray beckoned to me to come—I followed Lovett and lost sight of him, but I knew them both well, and gave information at the station—I produce one shilling which Mr. Gray gave me, and five shillings which M'Kie gave me.

JAMES MOORE . I am a plasterer, of No. 3, York Terrace, Battersea. On Friday, 13th March, I saw Weller very busy at the end of some unfinished houses, where T had a bed of fresh made mortar—I said, "What are you doing there?"—he said, "There is a man running after me with a stick, and if he follows me any further, I will throw this at his b—head, "

having a handful of mortar In his hand—M'Kie came tip and took him—I assisted him in looking in the mortar, and we found five bad shillings.

Lovett Q. Can you swear that Weller put them there? A. No; I thought he was going to steal some mortar—he was working his hands into it—I can swear I did not put the money there.

THOMAS BOOKING . (Policeman, V 23). I took Lovett on 13th March, about 10 o'clock in the evening—he said that he had not been at Mr. Gray's shop—I have known him three years—I found 1/4 d. on him.

THOMAS BASSETT . I took Weller on 13th March, between 7 and 8 o'clock at the King's Arms, High Street, Wandsworth—I told him the charge; he made no answer—I found 4 1/2 d. and a knife on him.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . The shilling tendered by Lovett is counterfeit—the five shillings found in the mortar are counterfeit, and three of them are from the same mould as that uttered by Lovett.

Welter's Defence. It in not likely, if Mr. M'Kie knew I was the party that put the money in the heap, that he would have let me go; other parties went there besides me.

Lovett's Defence. At the police Court Mr. Gray said that he could not swear to me, and now he says that he can; Mitchell says that I sent a lad with a bad shilling to his shop, which I deny; I took the shilling to the shop next day, and I asked their opinion of it; they said that it was good, but, being thin, it bent easily, and they took it.

WELLER— GUILTY .** Aged 18


Confined Twelve Months.

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546. EMMA WILLIAMS and JOHN WILLIAMS were indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. THOMPSON. and POLAND. conducted the Prosecution.

HENRY LUNN . I am servant to Richard Ayliff, who keeps the Railway Tavern, Wandsworth. On Saturday, 21st March, the female prisoner came with a bottle for a half quartern of gin; it came to 2d.—she gave me a florin—I bent it in a detector—she said that she did not know whether she had got any more money, but would see—she put her hand into her pocket, and gave me 2d.—I gave her the florin back—I am sure it was bad.

HENRY SALTER . I am the son of Elizabeth Salter, who keeps the Feathers, Wandsworth. On Saturday, 21st March, about half past 1 o'clock, the female prisoner came with a bottle and called for a quartern of gin; it came to 2d.—she gave me a florin—on testing it I bent it nearly double—she said that she was not aware it was bad, and produced a 6d. out of a porte monnaie—I gave her 4d. change—our house is hardly 120 yards from Mr. Ayliff's—Briggs came in, and, from what he told me, I followed to the Bell public house, and went in and told them something—I came back, and when 150 or 200 yards from the Bell, I saw the prisoners in company, and called Briggs to assist me in taking them—he took the female, and I the male—I saw something like a porte monaie in it's passage through the air from the male prisoner into the canal—the prisoners were given into custody—the barmaid of the Bell showed me a florin, which I believe to be the one offered to me, by a slight bend On the edge.

EMMA STEPHENS . I am the neice of Henry Stephens, who keeps the Bell at Wandsworth, about five minutes walk from the Feathers—on 31st March, between 1 and 2 o'clock, the female prisoner came and asked for a half quartern of rum, and gave me a florin—I gave her change, and she left—I put it into the till, where there was no other florin—a few minutes afterwards

Salter came in, and I looked in the till and I found one florin, which found was bad—I marked it and gave it to Tillman—I showed it to Mr. Salter.

JOHN BRIGGS . I am a coal porter. On 21st March, at a little after 1 o'clock, I saw the prisoners close together coming direct from the Railway Tavern, close to the Feathers—they went by me, and went on to a bridge, and the male prisoner began dancing—the female went to Mr. Salter's, and I saw her give him something, which he put into his mouth, and then into his left hand pocket—I told him something, and he called me out to assist him the male prisoner was on the bridge, a little ahead of the woman—he put his hand into his left pocket and threw something shining like steel into the water—I said, "You have thrown a purse into the water"—he said that he had not—I marked the place by the second iron post—the water was afterwards let out of the canal, and a man put a net down and pulled the purse out; it was given to Payne, the constable.

John Williams. Q. How long is it since you were convicted of beating a man about the head with a poker? A. I was convicted once of an assault—a fighting man hit me, and I used a poker to defend myself—I think the man had hold of your left arm.

FRANCIS PAYNE . (Policeman, V 88). On Saturday afternoon, 21st March, I went to the canal to see the water drawn off—I saw a man put a net down and fish out this purse, containing four counterfeit florins.

WILLIAM TILLMAN . (Policeman, V 320). I took charge of the female prisoner from Mr. Salter—I searched the male prisoner, and found on him two small papers of tea, in separate packages, 11d. in copper, a tobacco box, and a pipe—I produce a counterfeit florin which Miss Stephens gave me.

JOSEPH PALMER . (Policeman, V 328). On Saturday, 21st March, I saw the prisoners in custody—I had seen them pass under the railway arch before they were taken—I was behind them, and I found a florin under the arch, in the track which I had seen them go.

PRISCILLA OATLEY . I am searcher at Wandsworth station—I searched the female prisoner, and found on her 11d. in copper, 3s. 6d. in silver, a small packet of tea, a small packet of sugar, a small quantity of gin in a bottle, and a few sweets.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . The florin uttered to Stephens is bad; this one, found under the railway arch, is bad, and from the same mould; the four in the purse are also bad, and from the same mould as the others.

Emma Williams's Defence. I did not know that they were bad, they were given to me.

John Williams's Defence. I gave my wife the florins to pass, not knowing that they were bad.

FRANCIS PAYNE . re-examined. I inquired at the address the prisoners gave, and found that they lived there as man and wife, but had only been there a fortnight—I know her as Emma Williams.


JOHN WILLIAMS— GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Six Months.

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547. ELIZABETH HARVEY was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. THOMPSON. and POLAND. conducted the Prosecution.

MATILDA BENNETT . I am servant to Mr. Cuffley, who keeps an eel pie shop in Blackfriars Road. On 20tb March, the prisoner and auother woman came for an eel pie—she gave me a bad shilling—I told her it was bad, and she put down a good 3d. piece—I sent for my mistress, who came, and then I went for a policeman and gave them in charge, with the shilling.

HENRT HATHAM . (Policeman, L 159). I took the prisoner at Mr. Cuffley's shop, and saw this shilling—she said that she had pledged a handkerchief for 15d., on Clerkenwell Green—I asked her where the ticket was—she said that she had left it with Elizabeth Jones, at No. 21, Clerkenwell Green—I went there and found her, and she said that she had received no ticket from her—on the way to the station I saw the prisoner put these two shillings from her right hand to her left, and then to her teeth—I asked her where she got it—she said, "From a female, at No. 6, Clerkenwell Green, for a day's washing"—she gave up a 4d. piece and four pennyworth of half-pence at the station.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . These shillings are both bad, and from different moulds.

Prisoner's Defence. I got them for my day's washing.

GUILTY . Aged 16.— Confined Four Months.

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548. JOSEPH SPARKS was indicted for unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. THOMPSON. and POLAND. conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN MACFARLANE GRANT BOAG . I keep the Crown, in the New Cut. On 20th March, the prisoner came, about a quarter to 12 o'clock at night, and asked for a quartern of gin, it came to 4d.—he tendered a 5s. piece—I bent it, partly, told him that it was bad, and sent for a policeman—he said that be would make me pay if I locked him up—I gave him into custody, with the crown.

SAMUEL WYMAN . (Policeman, L 196). I took the prisoner, and received this crown from Mr. Boag. I searched the prisoner, and found on him 3 1/2;d.—I asked him where he got it—he said, "From Mr. Jay, the builder, in the City Road"—I went there, and they knew nothing about him—they have some hundreds of men in their employment—he refused his address.

Prisoner. I have worked there for the last eighteen months. Witness. One of the clerks looked over the books, but could find no such name.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This crown is bad.

PRISONERS DEFENCE . I did not know it was bad; when I take money, I generally put it between my teeth to see if it will bend, and I could not bend that.


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549. JOHN MASON was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS, THOMPSON. and POLAND. conducted the Prosecution.

PHILIP MOORE . I am pupil to Mr. Steadman, a surgeon, of No. 171, Union Street. On Friday, 27th March, the prisoner came for 2d. worth of chloride of lime, and gave me a half crown—I sent the boy out for change—I asked the prisoner if he had no smaller change—he pulled out some halfpence, and gave me four halfpence—I returned the half crown to him, and before he left he said that he wanted the change—I had knocked the half crown on the counter, I thought it was pretty good, and gave him the change, two shillings and a sixpence, and he left, but before he got to the door I put it between my teeth, discovered that it was bad, and sent the boy Williams out after him; he brought back the prisoner, who said that he was very sorry, and I gave him into custody with the half crown, he gave me the good money back in the shop.

JOHN WILLIAMS . A woman had brought a bad shilling into the shop two or three days before, it was given back to her, and she went away; and on 27th March, I was up stairs cleaning the windows, and saw the same

woman hand something to the prisoner, who came into the shop in about five minutes, and I came down stairs and lost sight of the woman—I afterwards went out, and she was waiting a little way outside, and the prisoner winked at her for her to go up Red Cross Street, and he would go up Southwark Bridge Road, and meet her; at all events she went up Red Cross Street, and he up Southwark Bridge Road, but I did not see them meet; he was caught before that; a policeman followed him, and he was taken.

DENNIS SCANNELL . (Policeman, M 177). On 27th March, Williams made a communication to me, and I followed the prisoner into Southwark Bridge Road, overtook him, took him to Mr. Steadman's, and from there to the station—he had this half crown (produced) in his hand, in Southwark Bridge Road, and I took it from him—I told him the charge—he said that he knew nothing about it, he received it from a woman some time previously—I asked him where she was—he said, "I do not know"—I asked him in what direction she went, and he said, "I cannot tell"—I found on him 3d. in copper.

PHILIP MOORE . re-examined. He returned the chloride of lime, and got the 2d. back when I gave him the change.

WILLIAM WEBSTER . This is a bad half crown.

Prisoner's Defence. A woman came up to me, and said, "Go and get me some chloride of lime," and I went for it; he called the young man down because he had no change, so, having some halfpence of my own, I paid the 2d.

COURT. to JOHN WILLIAMS. Q. Had he got up to the woman when you overtook him? A. No—I was behind him about ten yards, and the woman was ten or fifteen yards from him; she went on before him when he winked—I could see him wink, though I was behind him, because he turned his head to her—I overtook him, and told him that he had given a bad half crown, and he gave me the 2s. 6d., and I brought him back; he received the half crown, and walked away—he was not near enough to the woman to give her anything—I was all day looking for the woman, but saw nothing of her.

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Four Months.

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550. GEORGE SADLER was indicted for unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 58.— Confined Eighteen Months.

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551. JOHN CLAYTON was indicted for a like offence: to which he

PLEADED GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Eighteen Months.

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552. JAMES PATEY , stealing 67 lbs. weight of lead; value 8s.; the goods of James Wheeldon, and fixed to a building.

MR. SHARP. conducted the Prosecution.

STEPHEN NORRIS . (Policeman, M 99). On 23rd Dec, I was on duty with Philip Brown, in Gravel Lane, Southwark—I saw the prisoner about half past 5 o'clock in the morning, and again about 6, and again at a quarter before 7, when he made his escape from us—he was in company with Hoskins, twelve or fourteen yards from No. 21, Gravel Lane—we followed them to No. 3, Dyer's Buildings—Hoskins was carrying some lead under his arm—they ran into No. 3, Dyer's Buildings—Hoskins dropped the lead outside the house—we went to the house, and the door was fastened; we forced it open, and the prisoner and Hoskins ran up stairs—I ran and caught hold of both of them by the legs—I let go the prisoner, and he ran up stairs—I held Hoskins, and he called out, "Jem, jump the window, "

and the prisoner jumped out of the window directly—he got away, and I never saw him till he was at Guildhall—Hoskins pleaded guilty at the Southwark police court—I took the lead which was dropped outside to Mr. Lawrence—I saw it fitted to the place it had been cut off from at No. 21, Gravel Lane—it fitted the place exactly—the lead it corresponded with was on the roof of No. 21—the piece we compared fills up the space exactly.

Prisoner. Q. What time was this in the morning? A. A quarter before 7 o'clock—I was standing in a court, against the White Horse—Dyer's Buildings is opposite there—I could see you when you went up the Buildings.

COURT. Q. Had you known the prisoner before? A. Yes, for four years.

PHILIP BROWN . (Policeman, M 152). I was on duty in Gravel Lane, Southwark, on the morning of 23rd Dec., in company with Morris—I have heard his evidence, it is correct—I saw Hoskins carry the lead.

COURT. Q. Are you sure that Hoskins and the prisoner were together? A. Yes; I saw them talking together—I thought I heard one in the room above Hoskins calling out, "Jem, jump the window," which the prisoner did, and got away—we lost him—I did not see him for about a month afterwards.

Prisoner. Q. Were you in the house? A. Yes; I was at the bottom of the stairs, against the door—the window was just over the door—we had as much as we could do to secure Hoskins—I had not a chance of getting hold of you, or perhaps I might have secured you.

RICHARD LAWRENCE . I am agent to Mr. James Wheeldon; he is the owner of No. 21, Gravel Lane; I live next door to it—I saw the roof of the premises on the 22d Dec.; the lead was all safe then—the police called me next morning, and I looked on the roof; just before 8 o'clock, and the lead had been taken away—I saw the lead produced by Norris; I compared it with the lead on the roof; I measured the length, and breadth, and the shape, and it corresponded exactly.

ROBERT ALLEN . (City policeman, 321). I took the prisoner into custody on 5th March, in the evening, in Whitefriars Street—I called out "Jem," and I said to him, "Your name is Patey"—he said, "No; you are wrong, my name is George Cuthbert Graham; I live at No. 7, Flynn Street, Wellington Street, Blackfriars Road"—I took him to the station, and searched him; I found on him a duplicate of a handkerchief in the name of James Patey; he then said, "You are right, I am the man, that is my name; it is no use my struggling any further; you can't blame me for having a fight for it."

Prisoner. Q. Did you say you took me about this lead? A. No; I took you on another charge; for stealing brass—I did not tell you the charge till you denied that your name was Patey.

COURT. Q. Had you been looking for him before? A. Yes, from the Tuesday night before—I was watching the Horse and Cart, in Whitefriars—I was watching on the Wednesday, and on Thursday night I saw him.

Prisoner. Q. Did I go to my house? A. No; you walked in a direction t owards it, but I prevented your doing it.

Prisoner's Defence. Nobody saw me steal any lead; they do not say they saw me with any lead; Hoskins dropped the lead outside the door, and he got three months; but ne'er a one of them can say they saw me with any lead; any man might be charged with a robbery if he happen to speak to any one; Norris has often told me he would transport me if he could.

GUILTY .** Aged 21.— Confined Twelve Months.

Before Mr. Baron Watson.

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553. GEORGE COOK , forging and uttering an order for the payment of 40l., with intent to defraud.

MR. COOPER. conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS PLEDGER . I was a footman out of place—I live at Elam Street Rotherhithe; previous to 28th Feb. I became acquainted with the prisoner—he came to lodge with me at my sister's, at Rotherhithe—he represented himself to me as having some money, and he and I were about to enter into business—on 28th Feb. I went to the West End, to meet the landlord, and I was to meet the prisoner at the Antelope Tavern—before I met him he had showed me a cheque for 40l.—I read the cheque; this is it (looking at it)—he said he was too late to get it cashed at the Bank; he asked me if I thought I could get it cashed; I said, "Yes;" and I said, "We will first go to George Austin and see him"—I asked the prisoner where he got the cheque; he said from Mr. Miller, in Copthall Court—we went to Mr. Austin,—the prisoner took the cheque from his pocket and gave it to me, and I gave it to Mr. Austin, and he took it to Mr. Haydon—the prisoner went with us—I took the cheque myself to a person I had known, Mr. Newman—I then went from there to Mr. Haydon, the butcher; I could not get it cashed there on account of their not having the cash in the house—at last, Mr. Austin went to a Mr. Mann, and he advanced 25l. on the cheque, and the prisoner paid 11l. 10s. for a harness and cart.

Cross-examined by MR. RIBTON. Q. How long have you known the prisoner? A. He came to lodge with me at my sister's about ten weeks ago, I suppose about three weeks before this transaction—I was a servant out of place—I had lived with Mr. Charles Dallas—I left him nine months ago, with the rheumatic fever—I was down at Southend with my friends about six months—I tried for a place as a gardener, but I could not get one—I and the prisoner were about to go into business as greengrocers—before the prisoner gave me the cheque I had had some conversation with him about the house—we had engaged the house, and the prisoner was to get his character to give the landlord—I had done so—we had taken the house, with the exception of the prisoner's character—I think a quarter's rent was to be advanced—the prisoner was going to do that—I was not to advance any, because I had not got it—the prisoner said if I would go into business with him, he would give me so much a week, and so much commission—I was to be a partner with him—I was to do the work—on the day he showed me the cheque, I had left him in the morning at the Talbot Inn, in the Borough, and I arranged to meet him at the Antelope—there was a young woman present—I was taken into custody, and taken before the Magistrate, and was acquitted—I gave evidence and ceased to be a prisoner—Mr. Austin is a gentleman's coachman—I was a footman—I had known Mr. Austin some years—I gave the cheque to Mr. Austin—the prisoner took it from his pocket and gave it to me—I had read it before at the Antelope, and I gave it back to the prisoner—I accompanied Mr. Austin to a butcher's, and the prisoner also—I went to Mr. Newman, and Mr. Austin, and the prisoner waited outside—I afterwards went to Mr. Haydon—I brought the cheque back and gave it to Mr. Austin, and he took it to Mr. Mann, the baker, and he gave the money to the prisoner—the cheque was given over to the baker, of course—I had given Mr. Austin direction to purchase a harness and cart about a fortnight before; the prisoner paid 11l. 10s. out of the 251 for the cart and harness in my presence, and he kept the remainder.

GEORGE AUSTIN . I am a coachman—I have known the last witness some years—he and the prisoner came to me with a cheque, it was produced

from the prisoner to the last witness, and from the last witness to me—I do not recollect that anything was said in particular—it was to be cashed to pay for the cart and harness—25l. was afterwards paid on it—I received 11l. 10s., I believe the prisoner had the rest—I afterwards presented the cheque at Prescott and Grote's, and found there were no effects there.

Cross-examined. Q. Who gave you the cheque? A. It was passed and repassed three or four different times—I received it first from the last witness, in the Brixton Road—I saw it passed from the prisoner to Pledger, and it was passed to several tradesmen, who would have done it if they had had the change in the house—I did not see where the prisoner took it from.—I am quite sure he had it—I do not know Mr. Miller—I never saw him in my life till this time—I received 11l. 10s., for which they had a cart and harness.

ROWLAND MILLER . I reside at No. 1, Copthall Court. There is no other person of the name of Miller there, to my knowledge—I know No. 8, but I cannot say at all who lives there—this cheque is not my writing—I know the prisoner, he came to me in January respecting a Fire Office—I did not, at that time, give him a cheque or anything—I never gave him authority to draw in my name—when he came to me he gave the name of Haydon.

Cross-examined. Q. Did he not come to you respecting some property? A. Yes.

BARNARD BARTON . I am cashier at Prescott and Grote's Bank—I do not know Mr. Rowland Miller, he never had an account there—I have been cashier there twenty-two years.

JOSEPH THOMPSON . (Police sergeant, L 19). I took the prisoner into custody at the New Inn, Westminster Road, at a quarter before 11 o'clock at night on 19th March—I told him I arrested him for being concerned, with another, in passing a forged order for 40l.—he said, "Very well," and in stepping out at the door, he said, "At last"

Cross-examined. Q. Did you tell him you took him into custody for being concerned with Pledger? A. No; I told him for being concerned, with another, in passing a forged note—I knew Pledger was out on bail—he had been apprehended about a fortnight before—I knew he had been apprehended—I did not know his name at the time.

MR. RIBTON. to THOMAS PLEDGER. Q. Do you mean to swear that this cheque was not brought by you to the prisoner, and that you did not say to him, "If we go together we shall be able to get it cashed?" A. No; I did not take this to the prisoner first.

GUILTY . of uttering. Aged 33.— Four Years Penal Servitude.

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554. JOHN BURMAN , burglary in the dwelling house of Charles Holland, and stealing 13 stone weight of beef) value 2l. 8s.; his property.

MESSRS, LILLET. and LAXTON. conducted the Prosecution.

CHARLES HOLLAND . I am a butcher, and live at No. 9, Kent Street, in the parish of St. George's, Southwark, I dwell in that house. Sometime in the month of March, about 11 o'clock in the evening, my house was safe; the shutters and doors were fast, I retired to rest, I saw the beef which I had bought, safe on the block—I was woke up by a noise, and about 4 o'clock I missed my beef—I found my house had been broken into—there was a shutter drawn out, and that was put up beside the other shutters—the beef was at the hack of the shop, they must have come in to get it—there is a piece of board against the shutters, and they must have got over that—the gas was alight when I came into the shop; I had put it out when I went to

bed—no one was in the house beside me and my son—I do not know who lighted the gas, none of the lodgers could have lighted it—I afterwards went to the station house, and saw my beef, 5lbs. or 6lbs. of it had been cut off—it was the beef that I missed when I got up, and that was safe the night before.

THOMAS WALKER . I live at No. 299, Kent Street. I look after Evans's coffee shop—from half past 3 to 4 o'clock, on the morning of Saturday, 7th March, I was there—I was standing at the door, and saw three persons coming from the butcher's shop with caps on—they were outside the shop; I did not see them come out, they passed across the road—I had not seen them before—I did not see them going towards the shop, but I saw them do something with the shutter—I saw one of them trying to put the shutter up; I saw the gas was alight in the shop—they were coming across the road—they had got something in a bag—two of them were together, they had it in their arms; they brought it across the road from there to the court, which is by the side of Evans's coffee shop—I afterwards gave information to the police.

Prisoner. Q. Can you swear whether it was in a bag? A. No, I do not know—I do not know that you were one of them.

MARY ANN GILDER . I am a married woman, and lodge at Evans's lodging house, opposite the butcher's. On the night of 7th March, I got home at half past 3 o'clock—I went straight into the kitchen—I saw the prisoner's wife standing against the fire place—I did not see the prisoner then—I saw the prisoner and two other men coming out from the back yard—the prisoner had a parcel on his back—the yard does not open into the court—the court goes up by the side of the yard, and there is a low wall between them—they all had caps on—the prisoner and the two men came down near the fire place, and the other two took the parcel off the prisoner's back, and lifted it on to the table—I then went out into the passage, the prisoner followed me out and said, "If you'll go to bed, I'll give you a shilling to-morrow"—I did not go to bed; we staid about five or six minutes in the passage speaking, and when we came back, the two men were in the kitchen, but the parcel was gone—the prisoner came in with me out of the passage—under the kitchen, there is a cellar, and you can get into it by the trap door in the kitchen—the prisoner and his wife, and one of the men who was a lodger, went to bed, and the other man who was a stranger, went out—some time in the night, two policemen came in—I did not see them do anything—next day, the prisoner and his wife got up between 10 and 11 o'clock—the prisoner and two others went down into the cellar (his wife was in the kitchen) with a lighted candle, and the prisoner gave her up some meat into her apron—several pieces—it seemed to be beef—after that, I saw the prisoner's wife frying the meat, and having it for breakfast—she gave me none of it—the prisoner and his wife ate it—I saw no one else, I am sure of that, they alone ate it—between 1 and 2 o'clock, three policemen came to the house and asked to go down into the cellar—they went down with a lighted candle and brought up the same parcel that I had seen the prisoner with—I can swear to the bag—that was the one that the three men had.

Prisoner. Q. You say you saw me and two other men go down into the cellar, and cut some beef off? A. Yes, I did, but I did not say I saw any one cut it off—you gave it up, but I cannot say how many pieces you gave up—no one ate it but you and your wife—I said that at the police court—I do not know how you got in with it—you brought it up out of the yard into the kitchen—I believe there is a door, but it is kept fastened up—one

of the men was a lodger in the house, and the other a stranger—I get my living the best way I can—I was in the kitchen five minutes at least before I saw you coming in the yard—I did not come in at 1 o'clock, it was at half past 3 o'clock—the wall between the back yard and the court is a brick wall—it is not very high.

HANNAH HOLLAND . I am a single woman, and am deputy at the night lodging of Jacob Evans. I had charge of the house on the 7th March—when I went to fasten the front door I saw the prisoner and his wife, and two more—that was about a quarter past 3 o'clock, or half past—they were in the kitchen; I gave them the candle to go to bed by—in the course of the day I came down with a pail, for some coke, and the prisoner went down and handed up the pail of coke—after he sent the coke up, the prisoner's wife went to the trap door and held her apron, and one of them put some pieces of beef into it—she cooked some for breakfast, and one of the parties (a stranger) took some of it home to his wife—on the same day the policemen came, between 1 and 2 o'clock—they went to the cellar, and brought the beef up the trap, and I saw them take it away.

Prisoner. Q. Can you swear whether it was beef or bacon? A. Of course I can, I should think I could tell beef from bacon—I do not know which of the three gave the pieces of beef up from the cellar—I am sure it was beef they had for breakfast.

EDWIN COLEMAN . (Policeman, M 53). In consequence of information I went to Evans's lodging house, on Saturday, 7th March—the sergeant was with me—I took the sack up the flap of the cellar; it contained about thirteen stone of beef—I took it to the police station—I showed it to the prosecutor, and he identified it.

Witness for the Defence.

ANN GOULE . I am nineteen years of age. I was not lodging at Evans's lodging house—I was not present when the prisoner had his breakfast—I met his wife in White Street, and she went to purchase some bacon, and then she afterwards came to my house eating it.


The prisoner was further charged with having been before convicted.

RICHARD BLANKS . (Policeman, K 81). I produce a certificate—(Read: "April, 1856; Thomas Burman, Convicted of larceny; Confined six months")—the prisoner is the man—I was also present when he was convicted and had twelve months.

GUILTY. Aged 26.— Four Years Penal Servitude.

Reference Number: t18570406-555

555. JOSIAH POWDERHILL and JOHN LEAREY , robbery on Anne Shehan, and stealing from her person 1 handkerchief and 14l. 10s. in money, her property.

MR. THOMPSON. conducted the Prosecution.

ANNE SHEHAN . I am an unfortunate female, and live at No. 14, Falcon Court, Borough. Last Sunday fortnight, I had 16l. in gold when I first came out, about 11 o'clock at night; I went to Mrs. Evans's in Kent Street, between 12 and 1 o'clock, and saw Powderhill sitting there—he said that he had just come out of prison, and had nothing to pay for his lodgings—I gave him two sixpences—I had about 1s. 6d. besides the 16l.—I was going out, and he said, "Might not I come with you?" and followed me and another young woman out—we went to a coffee shop, and I changed a sovereign, and gave him some eggs and bacon, and some tea, as he said that he was in want—I had only a half crown out of the sovereign, and we then left and went to the Borough Market—Powderhill and two or three young women, and the boy Timothy Lennard, who is a witness—there are no females allowed in there of a morning, so I gave Powderhill half a crown

out of the change I got at the coffee shop, and he went in and fetched out some drink, and gave me the change, and we drank outside—we then went to Mr. Clark's, in the Market, and he would not serve us because he knew Powderhill, so Powderhill called the prisoner Leary—we did not go in—we asked for a pot of ale, but he would not serve us, and then we went to Mrs. Pike's in the Borough, where Williams is barman—Leary went with us, and I asked Mr. Williams if he would be kind enough to take care of some money for me—he said, "Yes, Annie," and as I was pulling my handkerchief, containing fourteen sovereigns and two half sovereigns, from my bosom to give it to him, Powderhill seized my hand and dug his nails into it, and Leary seized me by the neck, and knocked me down on the floor backwards—I did not state it to the Magistrate, but when I was down Powderhill had his knee on my stomach—I held my handkerchief tight, but was obliged to let it go, and Powderhill got it, and a half sovereign fell out, which the policeman gave me back—Powderhill ran out at the door, and then Leary ran out, and I catched him by the coat, and held him till the policeman came—I am sure he is the man; there was nobody else there—on the way to the station, Leary said, "Let me go, and I will find Jessee and will get you six quid"—Powderhill is called Jessee—I said, "Go with the constable, and I shall be satisfied if you find Jessee"—I was saving the money up to go to America—a captain allowed me 1l. a week, and I had a witness to prove it—they wanted to bring a robbery against me, but the gentleman said that I was not the woman—I had more money than that—I do not wish to give the captain's name to disgrace him.

Cross-examined by MR. PHILIPPS. Q. When did yon last see this captain? A. Six weeks ago—I have known him these six years—it is the truth that I saved the money up to go to America. (THE COURT cautioned the witness that she need not answer any question if it would tend to criminate herself.) I did not tell you I got it altogether from a captain; I told you a captain allowed me 1l. a week, and I was saving it up to go to America—he first came to Mrs. Evans's with me six years ago—he began to allow me 1l. a week four years ago—I last saw him six weeks ago—I do not intend to answer any more questions—I was never in such a place before—I will not tell you how much money I had six weeks ago, or five weeks ago, or two months ago, or how much I had in Oct. or Sept. last, or when I last counted the money—there was fifteen sovereigns and two half sovereigns in my handkerchief when I went out—I put them in on Friday morning where I live—a good many people live in the house besides; a number of unfortunate females—Powderhill lived there, and there are married people there—I had not told those persons that day or the day before that I had 16l.—I do not know that any person ever saw me with that 16l. before that night—I took the money out because I had had a row with the young man I was cohabiting with; he cut my head open, and I was taken to St. Thomas's Hospital—I had the sixteen sovereigns then in my possession—that was on the Wednesday before, I am quite certain of that—I did not pay for my conveyance to this Court this morning—I have been in prison and was remanded—I will not tell you when I first got into prison—I have been in prison ever since I preferred this charge; it was because Powderhill said that I had stolen something—it was about the 16l.—a gentleman came into Horsemonger Lane to identify the woman who took his money—I do not know who the woman was who took his money.

COURT. Q. Were you never taken into custody till you made this charge? A. No; a gentleman came to me in prison and could not identify me—he

took an English woman a foot taller than me, and said that she was the person—I am an Irish woman—I am still in prison because Powderhilrs friends have offered a sum of 5l. to get me away, and I am put in prison out of harm's way—the Magistrate said that he did not see anything against me, and gave me 7s. 2 1/2 d. out of my half sovereign.

MR. PHILIPPS. Q. Are you still kept in custody? A. Yes; because the Magistrate said that they might keep me away—I am not under a charge of stealing money that I am aware of—the man had another woman locked up for an hour and a half—he could not swear to me—he said that he—thought I was like an orange woman, but he identified another woman—I have never been an orange woman—he did not tell me when his money was taken—I was not brought up and charged with robbing him—I know that I am on my oath—I was not brought up for stealing that sum from a gentleman—my oath is dearer to me than anything—the gaoler can explain to you what I am here for—it was not taking any money, but they tried to take my life, and knocked me down—I was tried in Sept. or Oct, last, but was not convicted—I was never convicted in my life—I was found guilty on that occasion, and had four months—I have never been in custody on other occasions—it was at Stone's End Police Office, and the Magistrate sent me to gaol for four months—I had been saving up this money before I went to gaol—I know the prisoners; they have never been companions of mine, but I have known Leary and his mother for years—I know that Powderhill's name is Josiah—I have known him a long time, but never associated with him—on Wednesday night, when he came out, he knocked a young woman down in the street, and took away her cloak and guard—I am remanded on this charge.

CHARLES WILLIAMS . I am barman to Mrs. Pike, who keeps a public house, at No. 93, High Street, Borough. I remember Anne Shehan coming at a little before 5 o'clock on Saturday morning, the 28th, with the two prisoners, Timothy Lennard, and a woman—they had half a pint of gin, and paid 1s.—while it was being drunk Shehan said, "Mr. Williams, I wish you would be kind enough to take care of 2l. for me"—it was not a few pounds, but 2l.—I said, "Yes," and she put her hand in her bosom to hand the money to me, and just as she withdrew it Powderhill seized her hand, and Leary held her back—she fell down, and Leary held her down while Powderhill escaped—I saw them both down on the floor struggling—I saw Powderhill snatch the handkerchief away—I saw no gold, but I saw half a sovereign roll out on the floor, which was picked up by the policeman—I heard no rattling, for it had hardly got from her bosom—I was going round the counter, a policeman came, and Leary was detained just outside the house.

Cross-examined. Q. Had you ever seen her before? A. I have known her for some years—she associates with people of the same character, a low class of people—she walks late at night, and is one of the very lowest of the unfortunate creatures; but I have seen her with money frequently before, and on one or two occasions before, she has asked me to take care of money—when she got a little silver, or a sovereign, on one occasion, I took care of it for her, and she came and fetched it afterwards.

COURT. Q. Two sovereigns are very small to be in a handkerchief; you can tell whether it seemed to be one or two small coins, or whether there was a little bit of a bundle? A. It was larger than two sovereigns, I should say that something else was wrapped up with it—the sovereign remained in my possession perhaps not an hour—she has brought me money perhaps

three times, and she never left it any great while—it appeared to me to be just to secure it for the time.

TIMOTHY LENNARD . I live at No. 3, Royal Kent Court, Kent Street. On 27th March the prosecutrix came to my mother's house—I was in bed, but was called up, and sent for some tobacco—I do not know who sent me—I dare say the prosecutrix paid for it—I took a shilling—the change out was 10 1/2 d., and the prosecutrix told me to keep it—after that, I went with her to Evans's lodging house—I saw Jessee and a young woman; they call Powderhill Jessee—we all went to a public house, and then to a coffee shop—we had refreshment at both those places, the prosecutrix paid for it—after that we went to a public house in the Borough Market, and had some liquor outside the door—as we went through the Borough Market, Leary was standing by himself, and Powderhill called her; we then all went to Mrs. Pike's—I cannot say what we had to drink there—the prosecutrix said to the barman, "Mr. Williams, will you be so kind as to mind a few pounds," or "2l.?" I do not know which she said—he said, "Yes, I will"—she drew her handkerchief from her bosom, and undone it, and was in the act of pulling out some, when Jessee made a snatch at it, and said, "He shall not have it"—they were scuffling a short while, and Leary went into the scuffle, and whether he was trying to get the money to give it back to the young woman I do not know—I saw her fall on the ground, and Leary was on the ground a short time, but he was no sooner down than he was up—I saw no one's hands on the prosecutrix's throat, and saw no one on the top of her—there were these two young men, and she was in between—Jessee ran away, and the young woman seized Leary by the coat, and held him, and gave him to a policeman—he tried to get away.

COURT. Q. Did you see her change a sovereign? A. No, but I saw her with some silver in her hand, and I saw a good many sovereigns in her hand, but did not see one sovereign alone—I do not remember seeing her change one, but I saw the change in her hand at the coffee shop; she seemed to give something, and then I saw the silver.

Cross-examined. Q. How do you get your living? A. I work at a paper stainer's at the corner of Horsemonger Lane—I have worked there, on and off, for three years—I know the prosecutrix by being in the streets—I was called up, and found her down stairs at my mother's—it is not a private house, it is in a court; she occupies it by herself—there is no lock on the door, but there is a bolt—I was asleep when they called me, it was then half past 11 o'clock—I do not know who the tobacco was for—my father was in bed—I had very little to drink at the various places—I got home about half past 4 o'clock; I was walking about all the four hours, and going up to the station house—my companions were these two, and the young woman, and another young woman—we were all friends together, they seemed friendly enough—the prosecutrix did not say that she had got a deal of money about her—she said nothing to me about money—we had some gin a little way from the Borough Market—we went to Evans's first of all; I had nothing there, they do not sell anything—the first place we went to was the Borough Market—the prosecutrix gave Jessee half a crown, and he went in and came out with half a pint of gin, and they drank it outside, I did not have any—we then went to the coffee shop and had bacon and eggs, and coffee, which the prosecutrix paid for—she said nothing about money there; but when she paid she put the gold in her bosom, and the change in her pocket—I first saw the gold at the coffee shop, she was tying it up; but the half crown was

paid before that—she might have had more silver besides that money—I do not know how much the gin cost, or whether Jessee gave her the change, but he had it—after the coffee shop we went to the first public house again, and had gin and beer—we were not all very merry—I was not used to such places—we then went to Mr. Clark's, in the Borough Market, but he would not serve them—we then went to Mr. Lee's, and had some more gin, which this young woman paid for; I would not take any of it—I did not go home to bed, I wanted to get the young woman home—I went to try to get her home—I asked her to go home; but she would go with the men—I did not hear what they talked about—what passed was nothing concerning money—she only talked about a couple of young girls—I did not hear her tell them she had got a lot of money, she might—they were talking about the time passed back, something or another, but nothing which I could make any meaning out of—I was not surprised when I saw the sovereigns—I had seen her with money before—I have seen her a good many times in the day, and in the night too—after the row the young woman went to the station, and I went with her.

CHARLES LEWENDOWN . (Policeman, M 228). On Saturday morning, 28th March, I was on duty near Pike's public house; about half past 4 o'clock Powderhill came running out at a side door, and was followed directly by Leary and the prosecutrix, who laid hold of Leary, and gave him into custody for being concerned with Jessee in stealing 14l. 10s. or fifteen sovereigns, which he had snatched out of her hand at the bar—a woman picked up a half sovereign outside the door, and I told her she had better give it to the prosecutrix—on the way to the station. Leary said to her, "Do not you come up against me and I will go and find Jessee, and turn you up six quid," which I anticipate meant sovereigns—she said, "Very well, but the policeman must go with you"—I said, "No; I cannot allow a felony to be compromised in that way, you must both come to the station"—About two hours afterwards I was in Kent Street, in search of Powderhill; I saw him pursued by several people, and by a constable, calling "Stop thief!"—he had a different dress on—I afterwards found the coat he had had on in the White Lion, Kent Street; he claimed it at the station, and afterwards asked the Magistrate whether he might be allowed to have it; he has it on now—on the way to the station we were followed by a female, and a great mob of people, and he said, "Stop a minute, I want to see my wife"—I said, "Very well"—he said to her, "You may turn Annie up three quid, " meaning the proscutrix, "or we shall be lagged."

COURT. Q. You say here, "Turn her up three quid, and she will not appear against me?" A. Yes, "or we shall be lagged"—he said both.

ARTUR MASON . (Policeman, M 64). On Saturday morning 28th March, I saw Powderhill at the Crown public house, Kent Street—after that, about 6 o'clock in the morning, I received information of the robbery, and took him into custody; he was running away, but I cried, "Stop thief!" and took him—going to the station he called to his wife, or his woman, "Turn Annie up three quid, or I shall be lagged"—I had seen him in a public house. but did not know whether he was the person, and went back to the Golden Lion, to the prosecutrix, returned with her, and she said, "That is him," and he ran.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you know Annie? A. Yes—I was present when she was detained—there is no charge made against her at present, but she is still in custody—there is no charge entered at the station against her—I have heard that she has been before a Magistrate about robbing a person, but do

not know it for a fact—she is under remand because she cannot find security.

COURT. Q. Did the Magistrate consider her as a person of no great character, and say that having received an offer he should have her made to appear as a witness? A. Yes—a person came to identify her last Saturday week as a woman who robbed him of a large sum of money, but said that he would not be positive, but she resembled the party, and I understand he charged another party with it afterwards—he said nothing about the party being an orange woman.

CHARLES LEWENDOWN . re-examined. The acting inspector told me that he was present when he gave another woman in custody for robbing him, and no doubt he was robbed of a large sum of money, but he would not undertake to swear to the prisoner.

MR. PHILIPPS. Q. Was it in the Borough? A. It was in Tooley Street—she does not frequent Tooley Street, but High Street and Kent Street, and about St. George's Church—the Borough Market is not many yards off Tooley Street—I have seen her before—I have never seen her in custody for any crime—I have her in my custody now, I have to convey her to Horsemonger Lane backwards and forwards—I do not know what she was convicted of in September, but I heard that it was for robbing a gentleman.

COURT. to ANNE SHEHAN. Q. What were you charged with? A. Concerned with another young woman, but the gentleman swore to her, he said that she took 3s. 8d. from him—we were both sent to prison—I was drinking with her at the time, and we were both sent together.

LEARY— GUILTY . Aged 22— Confined Six Months.

POWDERHILL— GUILTY . Aged 24.—He was further charged with having been before convicted.

Policeman, 182 M. I produce a certificate—(Read: "Southwark Police Court, December, 1856, Josiah Powderhill, Convicted, on his own confession, of stealing a coat; Confined Three Months")—I was present, Powderhill is the person.

GUILTY.— Confined Six Months.


The following Prisoners, upon whom the Judgment of the Court was respited at the time of Trial, have since been sentenced as under:

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1 Barclay, Henry... 952... Confined Seven Days.

2 Clark, Thomas... 984...Four Years Penal Servitude.

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3 Davis, William... 14... Confined Six Months.

4 Miller, William... 21...Four Years Penal Servitude.

5 Cole, James... 44...Six Years Penal Servitude.

6 Young, Joseph... 103...Four Years Penal Servitude.

7 Story, William... 233... Fined 40s., and to enter into recognisances. Fined 1s., and ditto.[See original trial image]

Batchelor, James... 233... Fined 40s., and to enter into recognisances. Fined 1s., and ditto.[See original trial image]

8 Footman, James... 240... Confined Twenty-one Days.

9 Williams, Francis... 308... Confined Three Months.

10 Flood, Anthony... 321... Confined One Year.

11 Kimley, James... 381... Confined Twelve Months.

12 West, Henry... Confined Twelve Months.

13 Tomkins, Thomas... 387Discharged

14 Bryan, John... 329... [Discharged: see original]

15 Carney, Henry... 574... Confined Two Months, and Three Years in a Reformatory.

16 Smith, Christopher... 645... Confined Three Months.

17 Holmes, Samuel... 650...Six Years Penal Servitude.

18 Green, Henry... 661... Confined Six Months.

19 Goodacre, Robert... 717...Four Years Penal Servitude.

20 Recthand, Abraham... 746...Four Yearrs Penal Servitude.

21 Bilham, Robert Thomas... 755... Confined Twelve Months.

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