Old Bailey Proceedings, 23rd October 1848.
Reference Number: t18481023
Reference Number: f18481023






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33, Southampton-street, Strand.







On the Queen's Commission of the Peace,



The City of London,





Held on Monday, October 23rd, 1848, and following Days.

Before the Right Hon. JOHN KINNERSLEY HOOPER, LORD MAYOR of the City of London; Sir William Henry Maule, Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Common Pleas; Sir William Wightman, Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's Court of Queen's Bench; Thomas Kelly, Esq.; Samuel Wilson, Esq.; John Humphery, Esq., M. P.; and Michael Gibbs, Esq., Aldermen of the said City: the Rt. Hon. Charles Ewan Law, M. P., Recorder of the said City: John Musgrove, Esq.; William Hunter, Esq.; Thomas Sidney, Esq., M. P.; Francis Graham Moon, Esq.; David Salomons, Esq.; and William Lawrence, Esq.; Aldermen of the said City: John Mirehouse, Esq., Common-Serjeant of the said City; and Edward Bullock, Esq., Judge of the Sheriffs' Court: Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer and Gaol Delivery of Newgate holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.








First Jury.

Daniel Bell Hanbury

Jobn Foster Robinson

William Doughty Hoyle

James Reynolds

George Ricketts

Henry Grundy Renshaw

Charles Ford

Ebenezer Daniels

John Jessop

Matthew Allen

James Edwards

William Rich

Second Jury.

George Thomas

Alexander Robertson

Richard Ilsay

John Printer

Pope Roach

Richard Read

James Archibald B. Punton

Thomas Robson

John Rotherham

James Jackman Beresford

Henry Ridler

Joseph Reeve

Third Jury.

Henry Russell

Francis Robert Mason

William Harris

Charles Rudd

Walter Morris

John Maycock

Joseph West

John Mason Stevenson

Edward Whitfield

William Rackstraw

Henry Sharp

Thomas Mills

Fourth Jury.

John Hagger

Joseph Michael Rose

Daniel Pretty

James Rutherford

Samuel Seymour Lowden

John Lee

Robert Russell

Alexander Rotherham

Thomas Lewis

Samuel Smith

Robert Rough

Samuel Slater

Fifth Jury.

John Lee

Robert Russell

Alexander Rotherham

Samuel Smith

Robert Rough

Samuel Slater

William Henry Street

Richard Ilsley

John Printer

John Rotherham

James Jackman Beresford

Samuel Reis

Sixth Jury.

Thomas Sexton

James Thomas Smith

John Perring

George Read

Samuel Roper

James Smith

John Taylor

Joseph Rowley Porter

George Levering

Thomas Kinnerton

Fitzharding Oldaker

J. Rose Younger

Seventh Jury.

Joseph Sharp

Robert Justice

Samuel Rees

Thomas Ross

George Hiber

Thomas Clark

Patrick Rutherford

Walter Rowe

William Henry Rotton

John Parton

Richard Heyday

Patrick Runceman



A star (*) denotes that prisoners have been previously in custody—Two stars (**) that they have been more than once in custody—An obelisk (†) that they are known to be the associates of bad characters.


OLD COURT.—Monday, October 23rd, 1848.


Before Mr. Recorder and the First Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2236

2236. JOHN BURTON was indicted for wilful and corrupt perjury.


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2237. FREDERICK RABJOHN was indicted for a like offence.

(No evidence was offered.)


Reference Number: t18481023-2238

2238. JOHN SMITH , stealing 80lbs. weight of lead, value 10s. 6d.; the goods of Robert Thompson, his master.

ROBERT THOMPSON . I am a builder, at Shepherd's Bush. I lost some lead from the house, 17, King's Head-court, Holborn, on 26th Sept.—I have since seen it produced by the officer—I compared it with that which was left, and it corresponded.

THOMAS SMITH (City-policeman, 270). At five minutes past twelve o'clock, on 26th Sept., I saw the prisoner coming down King's Head-court, twelve or thirteen yards from the house—I went towards him—he saw me; and turned back to the building, where there had been a fire—I saw him throw down a sack from his shoulders—I said, "What have you got here?"—he said, "Only some old wood"—I found it was the lead—he attempted to set away—Lee came to assist me, and we secured him.

WILLIAM LEE (City-policeman, 235). I came to Smith's assistances—the prosecutor claimed the lead which the prisoner threw down.

GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined One Month .

NEW COURT.—Monday, October 23rd, 1848.


Before Edward Bullock, Esq. and the Fifth Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2239

2239. EDWARD LINFORTH , stealing 1 sovereign, 2 half-crowns, 4 shilings, and 2 sixpences; also, 4 sovereigns, 2 half-sovereigns, 1 half-crown, 1 shilling, and 2 sixpences; also, 2 sovereigns; also, 3 crowns, 4 half-crowns, 4 shillings, and 2 sixpences; the moneys of Henry Allsop and others, his masters; to all of which he pleaded

GUILTY Aged 21—Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor. Confined Eighteen Months .

Reference Number: t18481023-2240

2240. JOHN IVORY , stealing 1 handkerchief, value 4s.; the goods of William Caiger, from his person; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined Four Months .

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2241. WILLIAM HARRISON , stealing 2 10l. Bank notes, the property of Joseph Calling, his master; to which he pleaded

GUILTY. Aged 22.—Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor. Confined Eighteen Months .

Reference Number: t18481023-2242

2242. DANIEL HAYDON , stealing 1 handkerchief, value 2s.; the goods of David Colegrave, from his person; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . * Aged 15.— Confined Six Month .

Reference Number: t18481023-2243

2243. JOHN CARTHY , stealing 1 handkerchief, value 3s.; the goods of John Haines, from his person.

JOHN HAINES . I live in High-street, Kensington. On the afternoon of 19th Oct., I was looking in a shop window, two or three doors from Finch-lane—a policeman showed me this handkerchief, which I found I had lost—it is mine.

MICHAEL HAYDON (City-policeman, 21). On 19th Oct, I was in Corabill, and saw the prisoner go behind the prosecutor, put his hand through his own pocket-hole, (he had no pocket,) and take this handkerchief from the prosecutor's pocket—I took him with it in his hand.

GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Six Months .

Reference Number: t18481023-2244

2244. GEORGE HALL , stealing 18 gallons of beer, value 18s.; the goods of Thomas Slight, his master; to which he pleaded

GUILTY .— Confined Six Months .

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2245. GEORGE CLEMENTS , stealing 4 pairs of gloves, value 10s. 1 half-sovereign, and 1 sixpence; the property of Henry James Sumner Maine, his master; having been before convicted; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Twelve Months .

Reference Number: t18481023-2246

2246. JAMES RILEY , stealing 1 watch, 1 seal, and other articles, values 4l. 1s. 6d.; the goods of James Bwye, from his person; having been before convicted.

JAMES BWYE . I live at Tottenham. On 19th Sept., about one o'clock in the afternoon, I was passing from Wagon-horse-lane to Willoughby-lane, I saw the prisoner—he held up a large rat by the tail—he seemed to beckon me—I did not like his appearance, and walked on—he came to my side, and said something about gin—I took no notice—he then came on my left side, and pushed me into a ditch six or seven feet deep—I rolled down—he came down, put his legs across me, and took my watch, seal, key, and ribbon from my fob—he scrambled up, and was away in a minute—I got up as soon a I could, and gave information.

Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. Was he tipsy? A. He might he rather—I felt him take my watch—I did not see it—I may have seen him before—his mother has been with me since this—he did not fall into the ditch.

JOHN FISHER . I am a gardener. On 19th Sept., about one o'clock in the afternoon, I saw the prisoner, whom I knew, in a field adjoining Willoughby-lane, and saw Mr. Bwye walking up the lane.

FREDERICK CROUCH . I am lockman at Lower Edmonton. On 19th Sept. I saw the prisoner at my lock, between two and three o'clock—he leaned over a barge, and a watch fell out of his pocket into the barge—he jumped down, got it, and looked at the face—I saw a ribbon attached to it, which appeared to be black—before he got into the barge he said, "You have no occasion to say you have seen me.

RICHARD SINCLAIR (policeman, N 321). I took the prisoner about twelve o'clock that night—I found on him 9s. 6d. in silver, and 3d. in copper.

WILLIAM BLYTHS . I produce a certificate of the prisoner's conviction, at Hertford—(read—Convicted April, 1846; confined fourteen days)—he is the man.

GUILTY . Aged 32.— Transported for Seven Years .

Reference Number: t18481023-2247

2247. ELIZA CLARKE , stealing 1 gown, value 2s.; the goods of Thomas Plastow.

ELIZABETH PLASTOW . I am the wife of Thomas Plastow, of Hillingdon. On 18th Sept. I hung a gown, a petticoat, and other things, in a barn at the back of ray cottage—I saw them safe between ten and eleven o'clock that night—I missed them next morning at six—I gave information, and next day saw the prisoner with my gown on, under her other things—I told her it was mine—site used very bad expressions, and said it was not mine; she bought it for 3d.; then she said for 6d.—this is it.

Prisoner, I said I bought it of a woman, for 5d.; I did not know it was yours.

JAMES ROSE (policeman, T 228). On 20th Sept. I was sent for to take the prisoner—I found this gown on the ground by her side—she said she bought it for 5d.

GUILTY . Aged 40.— Confined One Month .

Reference Number: t18481023-2248

2248. JAMES REYNOLDS , stealing 1 handkerchief, value 6d.; the goods of Henry Woolley.

JOSEPH DALTON (City policeman, 366). On 30th Sept., about half-past eight o'clock in the evening, I saw the prisoner follow a gentleman in Newgate-market, and take this handkerchief from his pocket—I took it from his hand—I told the gentleman, and took the prisoner to the station.

HENRY WOOLLEY . This is my handkerchief—I lost it from my pocket, in Newgate-market, on 30th Sept.

GUILTY . † Aged 17. Confined Twelve Months .

Reference Number: t18481023-2249

2249. EDWIN BAVERSTOCK , stealing 1 watch, value 25s.; the goods of Joseph Ambridge.

JOSEPH AMBRIDGE . I live at Ruislip. On 19th July I had a silver-cased watch safe in my bed-room about one o'clock—I got up soon afterwards—I left my watch there, and came to London—I got back on the 20th, and my watch was gone—the prisoner worked-for a fanner next door to me, and used to come to my house for bread and cheese—I did not see him at my house after the watch was lost—I afterwards went to Mr. Miles's, at Thame, in Oxfordshire, and found it—this is it—the prisoner said he bought it of a man whom I had seen at my house, but have not seen since.

WILLIAM FRANCIS MILES . I am a watchmaker, at Thame. In the latter end of July the prisoner brought this watch to me to be repaired—I had heard something, and kepi it—Ambridge called on me, and had it.

RICHARD CLARKE . I am an officer. I went with Ambridge to Thomas—the watch was given up to him.

Prisoners Defence. A man offered the watch for sale; I bought it of him.


Reference Number: t18481023-2250

2250. MAURICE RIVERS , breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Alfred Youens, at Hillingdon, and stealing 1 coat, 3 handkerchiefs, and other articles, value 3l.; his goods; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 24.— Transposed for Seven Years .

Reference Number: t18481023-2251

2251. WILLIAM MCCULL , stealing 1 basket, 1 cloth, and 30lbs. weight of butter, value 1l. 12s. 6d.; the goods of Thomas Acocks, his master.

JOHN BRISTOW . I am in the service of Thomas Acocks, of Great Trinity-lane, as salesman. On 4th Sept., about a quarter past six o'clock in the morning, I gave the prisoner a basket, called a flat, containing a cloth and 30lbs. of butter, to take to Mr. Sweetland, in Jermyn-street—it was Mr. Acocks' property—he was afterwards brought back—he said he put it into a cart, and went to have something to drink, and it was lost.

WILLIAM YOUNG . I assisted to put the basket on the prisoner's head—I did not see him for three weeks afterwards.

WILLIAM FROST SWEETLAND . I live in Jermyn-street, St. James, and deal with Mr. Acocks for butter. The prisoner did not bring me any butter on 4th Sept., or the day after.

JOHN CHINN . (City policeman, 460). I took the prisoner—I told him it was for stealing a flat, a cloth, and some butter—he said he went to Newgate. some street, and placed it in a cart, and when he got to Drury-lane he went to have some porter, came out, and it was gone, and he was afraid to come back.

Prisoner's Defence. Mr. Acocks has known me a long time; I had been drinking; I asked a man with a cart to give me a lift, which he did, and when we got to Drury-lane I went to get some more beer, and when I came out I lost sight of the horse and cart.


OLD COURT.—Tuesday, October 24th, 1848.


Before Mr. Recorder and the Second Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2252

2252. CHARLES CROFTS , stealing 2 pairs of boots, value 28s.; also, 3 pairs of shoes, 24s.; the goods of George Beckett, his master; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Three Months .

NEW COURT.—Tuesday, October 24th, 1848.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Sixth Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2253

2253. SILAS SIMMONS was indicted for unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin.

MESSRS. BODKIN and ROBINSON conducted the Prosecution.

ELEANOR ASHTON . I am the wife of George Ashton, a butcher of High-street, Notting-hill. On 11th Sept., about eleven o'clock in the morning

the prisoner came for half-a-pound of beef-steak, and gave me a half-crown—I gave him 2s. 2d. change—he went away—I put the half-crown on the mantel-piece—there were no others there—I took it off the mantel-piece again gave it to Pooley, and it was put back—I showed it to ray husband—he did not take it out of my sight—I afterwards locked it up, and it remained till the 21st Sept.—the prisoner came again that day for some meat, and gave me a half-crown in payment—I called my husband, and he made some communication to the prisoner—I went and got the other half-crown from the box, and gave it to my husband—I am sure the prisoner is the man.

GEORGE ASIITON . On 11th Sept. my wife showed me a half-crown—I returned it to her—On the 21st Sept., the prisoner came to the shop—some meat was served him—he gave my wife a half-crown—she called me into the shop—I went to take the half-crown—the prisoner snatched at it as it was lying on the desk—he did not get it—I got it, and sent my wife for the other half-crown—I showed them both to the prisoner, and asked him if he were not ashamed of himself—he said he would give me his card and address, and I need not take any notice of it—he said if I would give him the two half-crowns back, he would give me a good one—he went out, and I followed him—he told me if I would not pursue him or give him in charge, he would go to the east end of London, and never come to my shop again, or to Metting-hill—the officer came up, and I gave him the two half-crowns.

SARAH ELIZABETH POOLEY . I received half-a-crown from my mistress on the day in question—I gave her the same half-crown back again.

JAMES GODDARD (policeman, T 80). I took the prisoner, and have the two half-crowns—these are them.

CALEB EDWARD POWELL . I am inspector of coin to the Mint—these are both counterfeit.

Prisoner's Defence. Iwent into the shop to buy a mutton-chop, not knowing the half-crown was bad—with respect to the other charge, I was not at Bayswater at the time, being at Cricklewood, but I have no witnesses.

GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined Six Months .

Reference Number: t18481023-2254

2254. MARY TURNER was indicted for a like offence.

MESSRS. ROBINSON and METCALFE conducted the Prosecution.

MARGARET PEARCE . I am the wife of George Pearce, a fruiterer, in Tottenham-court-road. On the 14th Sept., about one o'clock, the prisoner came for some potatoes, which came to 2d.—she gave me a half-crown, and I gave her 2s. 4d. change—she went away—I then found it was bad—on Friday, 22nd Sept., I saw the prisoner again looking at some cabbages outside the shop—I recognised her—I went out—she asked the price of some cabbages—she came into the shop, and said she would have one, and some potatoes as well—she gave me a half-crown—I bit it, and said, "This is a bad one, and you gave me a bad one on Thursday week"—she denied being there—George Rawbone was in the shop on both occasions—I showed him both the half-crowns—I detained the prisoner in my-shop, and sent for my husband—the officer came—I gave him the half-crowns—I had known the prisoner before by sight.

GEORGE RAWBONE . I am occasionally in Mr. Pearce's service. I saw the prisoner come there on 14th Sept.—she was served with some potatoes—I did not see what she paid, but I was shown a bad half-crown by Mrs. Pearce immediately afterwards—I saw the prisoner come to the shop on the Friday-week following—she gave my mistress a bad half-crown—the prisoner denied. its being bad, and said she had not been in the shop before.

FRANCIS MORRIS (police-sergeant, E 10). I took the prisoner, and have the two half-crowns.

CALEB EDWARD POWELL . These half-crowns are both counterfeit.

Prisoner's Defence. I was not in the shop the first time—I was ill that week—I worked for Mr. Stewart, Liverpool-street, King's-cross, for three years—I was not at work at his place—I had my work at home—I was ill—I called on Mrs. Brown.

FRANCIS MORRIS re-examined. The prisoner stated that she had called on Mrs. Brown, and that she was at home ill that day—I called on Mrs. Brown, and when she found what was my object, she would not give me a dined, answer whether she saw her or not.

(The officer was directed by the Court to fetch Mrs. Brown, who was brought and examined.)

MRS. BROWN. I live at No. 12, Pickering-street, Islington. The prisoner lodged with me eight years—she has worked for five years for Mr. Stewart—I remember this occurrence about the money—it was last Friday four weeks she left me in the morning of the day as the policeman came to me—she had left me an hour and a half or two hours before he came—she had been at her work at home—I had had a death in my family, and she was going to teach me her work—I had begun to learn to make trimming for caps—she was taken ill, and had an abcess in her face—my little girl went to Mr. Stewart's, is Argyle-square, with her work, and she asked him if he would allow her to do as little as she could—he said she might come on the following Tuesday—this was on Wednesday—on Thursday she had to go to alter a cap that my little girl took in and it was crushed—she came back and altered it, and in the evening I went with her to Mr. Stewart's, and received 5s.—on Friday morning she went out before dinner—I could not say what time—I stould think a little before twelve o'clock.

COURT to MARGARET PEARCE. Q. What time did she pass the second half-crown to you on the Friday? A. I think a few minutes past one o'clock.

GUILTY . Aged 28.— Confined Six Months .

Reference Number: t18481023-2255

2255. WALTER CHAPMAN was indicted for a like offence.

ELIZABETH SHAW . I am the wife of James Shaw, a butcher, of Uxbridge. On Friday, 29th Sept., the prisoner came to the shop, and asked for some meat—it came to 4d.—he gave me half-a-crown—I gave him 2s. 2d. change, and he left—before he left I had my doubt that the half-crown was not good, and took it to my neighbour—I saw Mr. Bennett give it to the policeman—on Monday night, 9th Oct., the prisoner came again for some sausages—he gave me half-a-crown, which was much worse than the other—I took that to Mr. Bennett—I saw him give it to another policeman—I went back to the shop, and said to the prisoner, "It was a bad half-crown, and you gave me one on 29th Sept."—he said, "I did not, I was not in Uxbridge before"—he said he had no more money—I took the sausages from him, and gave him into custody—he said he walked along the road with a man who asked him if he could change him half-a-crown—he gave him the change, and he gave him the half-crown.

RICHARD ROADNIGHT (police-sergeant, T 11). On 29th Sept. I recived this half-crown from Mr. Bennett—I saw the prisoner that morning in Uxbridge—I could not find him afterwards.

-----MOORE. (policeman, T 165). I produce this other half crown.

JOSEPH WILD . I am shopman to a butcher at Hounslow. On 29th Sept. the prisoner came for some steak—he gave me a half-crown—I told him it was had—he took it, and went out of the shop towards Uxbridge.

CALEB EDWARD POWELL . These are both counterfeit.

Prisoner. I was not in Uxbridge when they charged me with passing the first half-crown.

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Six Months .

Reference Number: t18481023-2256

2256. ELLEN SHEEN was indicted for a like offence.


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2257. WILLIAM ADAMS was indicted for a like offence.


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2258. SARAH SMITH , unlawfully having counterfeit coin in her possession, with intent to utter it.

MESSRS. BODKIN and SLEIGH conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES BRANNAN (police-sergeant, G 20). On Saturday, 16th Sept., I went with other officers to Nelson-place, Hackney-road—we forced the door open, got into the parlour, and found the prisoner there—she was sitting at the table, with this counterfeit shilling in her hand, brushing it with a brush—I seized her hand, and took the shilling from her—she threw the brush down, and upset a cup, which contained some liquid, on the table—I put her in charge of another officer, and searched the house—I saw another officer pick up a shilling on this board on the table—I found on the table a knife, with plaister of Paris adhering to the handle and the blade—I went into the kitchen, and found a galvanic battery-jar, containing some solution.

HENRY DCBOIS (police-sergeant, N 14). I was with the other officers—I found this purse lying on the table, with one good half-crown in it, one good shilling, and one bad one—I found bottles in the cupboard containing acids—I do not know what they are.

WILLIAM EDWARD BALL (policeman, N 54). I found some pieces of plaster of Paris, and some pieces of metal, which I produce.

CALEB EDWARD POWELL . These shillings are all counterfeit, and appear to me to be of the same sort of metal as this that was found.

Prisoner's Defence. I was sitting at the table, having my tea; I was aware there were two bad shillings there; the things that were found were not mine; when the officers came out they went to a public-bouse, and when they came out they said they had made it all right, they had found another shilling; when this charge was booked there were only two shillings booked.

JAMES BRANNAN re-examined. Yes, it was so; but Dubois had another shiling.

GUILTY . Aged 25.— Confined Nine Months .

Reference Number: t18481023-2259

2259. THOMAS MORRIS was indicted for embezzlement.

GEORGE HASLAM . The prisoner was in my service—it was his duty to receive money from me when I sent him out—he was to pay it on his return, or on the following morning—if he received on the 28th July 1l. 3s. 6d. he never paid me that—he paid it on one side of the list, and gave credit for it on the other—here is his own writing on this list—this is the cart-list—here is a pencil mark in his own handwriting, 16s. 4d., and 7s. 2d., making 1l. 3s. 6d.—he admits that he had received it, and on the other side of the list he states, "Left 1l. 3s. 6d.;" thereby pocketing the 1l. 3s. 6d—he did not give me the 1l. 3s. 6d.—if he had received it he ought to have given it to me—this settlement of his was on the 28th July—if he received on 26th Aug. 6s. 4d. from Miss Lock, he has not paid it me—he ought to have done so.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTISE. Q. It was the prisoner's duty to take out goods, and to receive the money? A. Yes—he accounted by counting up his cash—he had not to enter it in any book, only to make up this list—his handing this list to me was his accounting to me—the receipt of this 1l. 3s. 6d. appears on one of these lists—the 6s. 4d. does not appear on the other—he says, "Left 6s. 4d.;" that implies that it had not been paid to him—he paid over the whole of the money in this list to me—he was in the habit of paying his money to me on the following morning—he hands in the list and the money at the same time—he handed this money over to me on the morning after the collecting—the list will show what money he paid me; I have no other means of telling what he paid me—it appears to be 3l. 18s. 1d.; all the rest is booked as left—he sums up the whole 6l. 6s. 9d., and he paid me the difference between what he said had been left and that—the 6s. 4d. is the only thing I find wrong in this other list—here he says Miss Clark has paid him, and then he says "Left," which is the fact—he admits receiving it, but I did not examine his list the next day—I can my I did not receive the sum of Miss Clark's bill by his leaving it—I receive; the sum short of those amounts to which "Left" is put—by his putting down this "Left," he has drawn from this list the 1l. 3s. 6d.—he said Miss Clark had left that 1l. 3s. 6d., and I thought it was a fresh account to that amount.

MARIA CLARK . On 28th July, I paid the prisoner 1l. 3s. 4d—I had some fresh articles that day, but not to that amount, only a few shillings—I have paid for them since.

SARAH LOCKE . I paid the prisoner on the 26th Aug. 6s. 4d., for his master, Mr. Haslam.

MR. HASLAM re-examined. I keep no cash-book of the town trade—I keep one for the country—I have only the prisoner's own handwriting as the cart list—it is my general practice to ask the prisoner if these goods are left, and he says, "Yes."


Reference Number: t18481023-2260

2260. THOMAS MORRIS , was again indicted for embezzlement.

GEORGE HASLAM . On 24th May the prisoner received 10s. 3d.—he has not paid me that, nor 4s. 11d. on 19th July, nor 5s. 3d. on 3rd Aug.—it was his duty to have paid me each of those sums.

SARAH WEST . I paid the prisoner on the 24th May, 10s. 4d., on the 19th July, 4s. 11d. and on the 3rd Aug., 5s. 3d., for his master—I am sure I paid them to him.

GUILTY .— Transported for Seven Years .

(There were two other charges against the prisoner, and the prosecutor stated that he had lost nearly 300l.)

Reference Number: t18481023-2261

2261. WILLIAM SMITH , stealing 14lbs. of ham, value 7s.; the goods of Edward Roberts, to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Six Months .

Reference Number: t18481023-2262

2262. JOHN WILSON , stealing 1 handkerchief, value 3s.; the goods of Edward Bullock, Esq. from his person, to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Three Months .

Reference Number: t18481023-2263

2263. WILLIAM CLARK , stealing 1 pewter-pot, value 1s.; the goods of Richard Wray Thorpe; and 1 pewter-pot, value 1s., the goods of Henry Lester, to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 29.— Confined Nine Months .

Reference Number: t18481023-2264

2264. JOHN DICKENS , stealing 23 yards of cloth, value 15l.; the goods of William Onyon and others, in their dwelling-house; to which he pleaded,

GUILTY , and received a good character. Aged 22.— Confined Six Months .

Reference Number: t18481023-2265

2265. WILLIAM TREWBRIDGE , stealing 1 portmanteau, 6 coats, 4 waistcoat-pieces, and other goods, value 63l. 4s.; the goods of the Eastern Counties Railway Company.

MR. PRENDERGAST conducted the Prosecution.

GEORGE CROSS . I am traveller to Messrs. Nicholls. I came from Ipswich by the Eastern Counties Railway to the station in Shoreditch on the 30th Sept.—I saw a brown portmanteau of mine put into the luggage-van at Ipswich—it contained about a dozen coats of a new register Llama paletôts and about eighteen French waistcoat-shapes, which I used as patterns—I had also a new edition of "Walker's Dictionary"—Mr. M'Pherson and I were together at the same hotel at Ipswich, and he having no luggage agreed to assist me—when I came to London, I went to the luggage-van to get my portmanteau, and it was gone—there had been a leather label on it, with my name on it—I have not seen the portmantean since, but some of the waistcoatings have been produced by the officers, which were part of the property stolen—some of the coats had patent pocket-protectors, and some had the Llama hood—the "Protector" is an elastic covering on the mouth of the pocket, which prevents anything falling out or being easily extracted from it; it closes when the pocket is shut—I believe that the waistcoat-pieces produced are part of what I lost.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Are there not others of the same sort anywhere else? A. I cannot say—I believe these to be mine—there is a mark on one of them—they correspond with what I lost, and there is a stain on one of them, and in pursuing my journey the portmanteau was exposed to a very heavy rain, not having sufficient covering, and I have no doubt these marks on thewaistcoatings were caused by the stain of the portmanteau—here is the mark—I had two waistcoats that had this mark, and one of them is gone—when I had them the mark was not torn off, it was perfect—part of this mark has been removed—I know this mark was on it before it was put in the portmanteau—here is enough of this mark for me to know it—there is another party here to speak to it.

JOHN HEASMAN . I am warehouseman to Messrs. Nicholls. I know these waistcoatings are their property, and are sold by them—these are the same that I packed up for Mr. Cross previous to his going his journey on 1st Aug.—I have examined them all, they all correspond—this one has part of a mark on it—I believe the entire of our stock bad this mark on it—I believe this is one of the pieces of goods that I packed up for Mr. Cross about the last week in July.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you speak to all these having the same mark? A. No, they have not; the marks have evidently been taken from them—this one has part of the mark—the marks are put on them before they come into our possession.

JOHN COX . I keep a beer-house at No. 70, Cannon-street. On 2nd Oct. the prisoner came to my house between twelve and one o'clock in the day—he said he had come from Boulogne, and he had some things with him that he could sell cheap—he showed me some paletot coats or over-coats, with pockets on the sides, and India-rubber by the side of them—the patent pocket protectors, and an inside lining such as you put over your head—I had

never seen with such coats before—he offered to sell them for 25s. a piece—I did not buy any—he produced seven or eight pieces of waistcoating like these, of the same pattern—he left this one with me—he offered to sell it for 6s. he said these things had been seized, and he bought them at a Custom-house" sale—I afterwards saw the advertisement of the loss of some property on the Eastern Counties Railway, and gave information—I did not pay him for this waistcoat—I knew him before—as a customer.

Cross-examined. Q. He has sold you things for your own use before? A. Yes; I knew him as a traveller in woollen goods—he offered these openly—there was no secrecy about it—this one waistcoat was all he left with me—the officer had it from me—I have not seen the paletôt coats since—I have known the-prisoner about six months—I have sold amongst my custom goods that, he has left with me—when he left this waistcoat, there were seven or eight persons present.

WILLIAM BURLINGTON . I was in Mr. Cox's beer-shop on the 2nd Oct.—I saw the presoner there—he produced three coats, two of them was paletôts—one of them had a lining, or something fixed on between the sholders—he showed the patent pocket-protectors in the room—he offered duplicate of a coat for sale for 1s. 6d.—he said he pawned that coat for 1l., that same morning—there was India-rubber on the pocket-protector, which had writing on it—I saw the prisoner show some waistcoat-pieces—he afterwards went out, and said he was going to Walbrook—he returned in about twenty minutes—he said he had sold the two overcoats for 5l., and not get the money.

Cross-examined. Q. You had a good deal of conversation with his at different times. A. Yes; I had no more conversation with him than say other person in the place.

GEORGE CHURCH . I keep a public-house in Whitechapel. Two men came to my house—one of them had three or four bundles—I cannot say that the prisoner is one of them—I do not believe he is—he is of the same stature, but that man had whiskers and a snuff-coloured top-coat—when I saw the prisoner, he had no whiskers—he was as he is now—he resembles the man, but I could not swear he was the man—I had been drinking a little—I had been out on an excursion—I did not see the contents of the bundle, I only saw some waistcoat-pieces—these are three of them—I gave him 16s. for them—I do not know the prisoner—I know the man that came with him.

Cross-examined. Q. You had been drinking that night? A. Yes; I never saw the person before who came with the man that I know—I cannot say that the prisoner was the man—I have 200 or 300 hawkers come to my house in a day.

GEORGE WILLIAM WHITE . I bought a waistcoat-piece of the prisoner, and had it made up into a waistcoat—the officer had it—this is it—I bought it three weeks ago in the Crown public-house in Whitecross-street—the prisoner had some other waistcoat-pieces, some shot, and some satin.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you known the prisoner long? A. About six or eight months as travelling with woollen goods, and by his going with me when I wanted woollen cloth—I made use of his judgment as a person understanding these things.

MR. PRENDLRGAST. Q. Have you ever known him as a traveller to any one? A. I cannot tell; I have seen him with different parcels—I always understood him to be a traveller for the parties who employed him—I never knew who these parties were.

JOHN STOEEY . (City policeman. 414) I took the prisoner at a Public-house

in Bethnal-green—I told him I wanted him for a robbery at the Eastern Counties Railway, and stealing a portmanteau, containing paletôt coats and waistcoats—he said a man gave him the coats to sell, and the vests he bought down Petticoat-lane—I found thirteen duplicates on him, and twentyfive at his lodgings, but not relating to this property—they all relate to waistcoat-pieces—I believe he is a general dealer in waistcoat pieces—I have known him three or four years—he used to wear whiskers, but when I apprehended him he had none—I had not seen him since he was at Guildhall—to the best of my knowledge he had whiskers then.

Cross-examined. Q. You told him something about the coats that he had shown to Mr. Cox, did you not? A. Yes—he told me the coats he had offered to Mr. Cox a man gave him to sell, and the waistcoats he bought in Petticoat-lane—there is a market there for everything, nearly every day.

JOHN COX re-examined. When the prisoner came to me that day, he had whiskers—I had seen him before—I never saw him without whiskers till I saw him at the Mansion-house.

MICHAEL HAYDON (City-policeman, 21). I received these three waistcoatpieces from Mr. Church, and the waistcoat from Mr. White—I knew the prisoner before—he was always in whiskers.

JAMES KINNERLY . I am a constable at the Eastern Counties Railway—I know the prisoner well—he always had whiskers when I have seen him, till I saw him at the Mansion-house—I have seen him about the platform of the Eastern Counties Railway, and outside the gates—I have watched him repeatedly—I never saw him go in a train, but always walking; about the platform, or outside the gates—I never made myself known to him—my business is to take notice of people there.

GUILTY . Aged 28.— Transported for Seven Years .

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2266. MARY BURROWS , stealing 2 gown-skirts; the goods of John Laurie, ber master.—(See page 716.)

JOHN LAURIE . I live at Camden-town. The prisoner came into my sen-ice in Aug., 1847, and was discharged in Jan. last—after she was gone, two silk gown-skirts, and several other articles, were missed—these are the gown-skirts (produced).

Prisoner. Q. When you lost them, what state were they in? A. Not quite new, certainly—they were lost before you left my service.

SUSANNAH ROBINSON . I am the wife of William Robinson, and live in Kentish-town. I know the prisoner—two or three weeks before she left Mr. Laurie's service she brought these gown-skirts to my house, and gave them to me, for cutting up—she said ber young mistress gave them to her, and they were of no use to her.

Prisoner. Q. What state were they in A. They were dirty—I have not brought the dresses Miss Laurie gave you.

MISS LAURIE. These are mine—I never gave them to the prisoner.

Prisoner. You gave me two dresses. Witness. Not these—they are mine—I never gave them to you.

JULIA SUSAN LAURIE . I know these skirts—they are my daughter's.

Prisoner. Q. How do you know them? A. I had them in my cupboard—I showed them to you, and said I meant to have them dyed.

HENRY EDWARDS (policeman, S 128). I took the prisoner, on another charge, on 20th Aug., in Grove-street, Camden-town—in going to the station, she said, "You would not have found me out but for Mrs. Robinson—she had got two dresses belonging to Miss Laurie."

Prisoner's Defence. When I entered the service as cook, Major Lawrie had five servants these two gown-skirts were given me two years and a half ago; I had them before I went to Major Laurie's—I wore an apron of it there; I told the Magistrate that Miss Laurie gave me two dresses, which she had done; I took them to Mrs. Robinson, and said Miss Laurie gave me them, but I said nothing about the skirts; so many pieces of silk as there are of the same sort, is it likely that they can swear to it?

GUILTY . Aged 23.— Confined Nine Months .

OLD COURT.—Wednesday, October 25th, 1848.

PRESENT—The Right Hon. the LORD MAYOR; Mr. Justice MAULE; Mr. Justice WIGHTMAN; Mr. Ald. WILSON; Mr. Ald. MUSGROVE; Mr. Ald. MOON; and EDWARD BULLOCK, Esq.

Before Edward Bullock, Esq. and the Third Jury,

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2267. THOMAS ELLIS , stealing 1900 buttons, value 3l.; and 1 sheet of paper, 1d.; the goods of Thomas Hutton and others.

WILLIAM JARVIS (City policeman, 614). On the evening of 6th Oct, about seven o'clock, I was on duty in Bishopsgate-street Without, and saw the prisoner with two others—the prisoner ran after a travelling phaeton, and I saw him steal this parcel from it—the others ran away, one calling out to him, "Tom, Tom! "—I pursued him—he threw the parcel on the phaeton again, and ran, and I took him.

AUGUSTUS WILSON . I am traveller to Mr. Thomas Hutton and two others, of Newgate-street. I was in my phaeton, in Bishopsgate-street—this parcel, which contains buttons, was on the top of the chaise, just behind where I sat—I heard the officer call out, stopped immediately, and saw the prisoner in custody.

Prisoner's Defence. The phaeton was twenty or thirty yards ahead of me; I was crossing the road, and the officer came and took me.

GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined Six Months .

Before Mr. Justice Maule.

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2268. ANN TRENHAM was indicted for the wilful murder of Alice Trenham she was also charged on the Coroner's inquisition with a Iike offence.

MESSRS. RYLAND and LAURIE conducted the Prosecution.

MARY BELL . I am a widow, and live at 9, Hill-street, Greenwich—I am stewardess of one of the Margate steamboats. On Friday evening, 8th Sept., I was on board the London Pride steamboat, going to London-bridge—I went on board at Hungerford—it was about eight o'clock, and was dark—I was sitting on the left-hand side as you look towards the head of the boat—while sitting there I saw a woman, with a child in her arms, go from the deck, to the sponson of the boat, and in an instant she was gone—I should not know her again—I did not sue her standing or sitting; but I looked up, and saw her go from the deck to the sponson, which is the ledge which goes from the paddle-box to the deck—she had a child in her arms when she disappeard—the boat was stopped directly, and the captain called a sculler, and backed the boat, and did all that he could to save the woman.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Was the boat going fast? A. Not faster than usual—I was in the fore-part of the boat—the engine and the machinery were between me and the woman I saw on the sponson—it was all the act of an instant.

WILLIAM PRYDE . I am nearly fourteen years old. On Friday evening, 8th Sept., I was on board the London Pride, just by the fore-sponson on the larboard side—I saw the woman, and saw her lift up the rail of the sponson—I cautioned her about lifting it up, and she made no reply—I had never seen her before—I do not know who she was—I shut the rail down—I afterwards found it open again, and the woman was standing before it, with the girl—I shut it down a second time, walked forward, and just as I got forward I heard a cry of "A man overboard!"

Cross-examined. Q. What were you on board the vessel? A. I was with a young chap who was spring-boy—he makes the ship fast when she "comes alongside the pier—my principal observation was confined to my own duty—it was nearly dark—there were not many people on board—there were not fifty—there were some ladies on board—I did not notice whether there were any women with children.

GEORGE WHITCOMB . I am a letter-carrier. On the evening of 8th Sept. I was a passenger on board the London Pride—I sat on the right-hand side, at the head of the boat—just as we got by Paul's Pier, I heard the captain call out that a woman had jumped overboard with a child in her arms—I jumped on board a barge that was alongside, and saw something floating on the water, but, being very nearly dark, I could not tell what it was at the time—a waterman made towards it, caught hold of it, and held it, until with assistance, it was got out of the water—I assisted in getting her on shore, and it turned out to be the prisoner—I assisted her towards the station-house—the first words she spoke were, "What has become of my child?"—I said I supposed the child was all right, but that I was unable to inform her—she said it was excessive grief that had caused her to do what she had done, she was in great trouble—she also asked for some drink, and said she was very thirsty—I did not take any particular notice of her on board the boat—there were about fifty people on board.

Cross-examined. Q. How many times have you been examined on this subject? A. Only once—that was before the Magistrate—I believe what the prisoner said was that she was in very great trouble, or words to that effect, and sbe repeatedly inquired after her child—it was so dark at the time that I could not discern one person from another—she said, "I am in very great trouble; what has become of my child?"—I told her I supposed her child was all right, or would be—she repeated the same words several times on the way to the station, and said it was trouble had caused it—I believe those are very nearly the same words—I do not recollect the words she used any better now than I did when I was before the Magistrate—(The witness's deposition being read, stated, "She clasped her hands and asked what had become of her child—I was not then aware whether the, child was found or not—she repeatedly thanked me for what assistance I had rendered her, and said she was in great trouble, and inquired repeatedly about the child")—that is correct—I am quite confident she did not say anything more than what is put down there—what the captain cried out was that a woman was overboard—there is a trifling difference between that and "jumped overboard."

WILLIAM BAGOT . I am a waterman, residing at Deptford. On Friday, 8th Sept., I was in command of the London Pride steamboat—we left West-minster-bridge about twenty minutes before eight, and arrived at Hungerford

a few minutes after—we waited there a minute or two, then left Hungerford, and went down the river for London-bridge—when we got opposite Mr. Lyon's granary, a little below Paul's Wharf, I was on the larboard paddle-box and my attention was directed towards the head of the boat—I saw a female with a child sitting on a chair close to the larboard fore-sponson—I thick the child was on her knee—I cannot say how old it was, but I should think about five years—I cannot say whether it was a boy or girl—I cannot say whether the prisoner is the woman—about a minute or two after I had observed them, I heard something go flop into the water—it might have been more than two minutes after I had seen the woman and child that I missed them, and I heard some of the passengers say, "A female overboard!"—I saw something in the water outside the paddle-box, apparently a female—I stopped the boat as soon as I found out what it was, and had the engines reversed immediately—I saw a boat at a little distance ahead—I called out, "Sculler!" and Bryce came immediately—I did not see the woman taken out, it was too dark—we went on to Paul's Wharf Pier—the tide was running up, against us.

Cross-examined. Q. Is your vessel an iron one? A. Yes; she is a fast boat—we were going at the usual speed—we carry perhaps 300 persons-we might have had fifty or sixty men, women, and children on board.

GEORGE BRYCE . I am a waterman, living at Trinity-terrace, Tower-hill. On the evening of 8th Sept., I was in my boat off Queenhithe—I heard the captain of the London Pride call out, "Sculler!"—I went towards him as fast as I could—he told me a woman was overboard, and I pulled as fast as I could towards the spot, and they pointed and said, "There she is!"—when I I got there, I ran forwards and laid hold of the lower part of the woman's clothes—she was partly underwater with her back upwards—I lifted her partly out of the water, and then saw that she had a child in her arms—when I pulled her above the water the child dropped from her arms—I got the woman on board, with the assistance of Wheeler the pierman—the child sank—the prisoner is the woman I took out of the water—she was about three or four minutes in the water.

Cross-examined. Q. When you rowed up to her was her head underwater? A. Yes; and it was so till I pulled her out—she was clasping the child tight in her arms, and when I lifted her out of the water the child fell from her arms—she was quite senseless at the time—she afterwards recovered, and said she wished she had gone with the child—I was examined before the Magistrate—I then told all I knew—this is my writing (looking at his deposition)—it was read over to me before I signed it—I was asked whether it was correct, and I signed my name—I did not run foul of the woman when I rowed up to her—it was shortly before eight o'clock, and quite dark—she was eight or ten yards from the steamer—it was pretty calm—there was not much wind, I believe—I cannot say which point it was blowing from—(the suitness's deposition being read, did not contain the words, "She said she wished she had gone with the child")—she did not exactly say that to me—I heard her say it—I did not state that before the Magistrate—no one told her what had become of the child, and she did not know what had become of it—"She said, I wish I had gone with the child"—she cried very much, supposing that the child had been drowned.

BENJAMIN WHEELER I am picrman at Paul's Wharf Pier. On the evening of 8th Sept. I heard a cry of "a woman overboard"—I saw Bryce—I went in a boat to him—he had hold of a woman in the water—I got into his boat, and helped him to lift her into it—I did not see anything of the child—I afterwards helped the woman a little way towards the station-house.

JOHN BUCKLEY (Thames-policeman, 41). On Saturday morning, 9th Sept.,

I was in a boat on the Thames near the Temple Pier—I was called by a coal-porter, who gave me some information, in consequence of which I went ashore, and saw part of the body of a child underneath a barge which forms part of the pier and was aground—the child's head and shoulders were under the barge's bottom, the Iegs and hinder parts were out—the barge was altogether aground—the water was thirty or forty feet off it—it was low water—I waited till the tide flowed again, and when the barge floated, with assistance I drew the child out—it was a girl, of about five or six years of age, dressed in a white cotton and a white flannel petticoat, and a kind of brown silk pelisse, and something of a plaid frock—these are the clothes (produced)—the beadle took charge of them and the child—the child's face was very much bruised—the stones had gone into it, and the tongue was forced out at the side of its mouth.

RICHARD BAKER . I am beadle of St. Clement Danes—these are the clothes which were taken off the child, and which I received from Buckley.

ELIZABETH CAMPBELL . I am married—I have known the prisoner upwards of eighteen years—I formerly lived in the same service as her in two families—I Think it is fifteen years since I last lived with her—I have kept up the acquaintance since—I knew the child, it was five years and a half old—I remember its birth—it was called Alice—the prisoner has told me she was not married—I saw her on the Tuesday before this happened—it is some months since I saw the child—I have seen it very often—I can swear this pelisse has been worn by the child—I cannot swear to the other things—I did not see the child after its death.

Cross-examined. Q. Was the prisoner a kind—hearted, humane, affectionate person? A. Very much so indeed—when I have seen her with the child she has always been affectionate and kind to it—I know she was paying 5s. a week while in service for its support.

COURT. Q. Do you know whether the prisoner was in distress for money? A. I believe she was; she had left her situation about four months.

JAMES GRAY . I am a tobacconist, at 74, Crawford-street, Marylebone—I have known the prisoner fourteen years—the last place I knew her living at was General White's, Upper Berkeley-street, Compton-street, as cook—she left there four or five months since—I know she had a girl between five and six years old—I saw her and the child the same day that this occurred, about two o'clock in the afternoon, at my own place—she did not stay five minntes—she said she was going for a walk—I did not observe anything particular in her manner—I saw the body of the child when dead—I identified the clothes it had on, but not the body—the face was a good deal injured—I believe its name was Alice, from hearing its mother call it so.

Cross-examined. Q. She was a very melancholy, desponding creature, was she not? A. At times—I have seen her with the child frequently, her conduct towards it was most affectionate—she was a kind and loving mother—her general character for humanity stands number one—I mean, it was unimpeachable.

REBECCA FISHER . I am the wife of Robert Fisher, of Croydon-street, Marylebone—I have known the prisoner between three and four years—she lived with me for four months before 8th Sept., and the child was fourteen months in my care—she went by the name of Alice—the prisoner lodged with me up to the very day this happened—I last saw her and the child a few minutes before two—I observed the child's dress—this is the pelisse she had on then—they went out together.

Cross-examined. Q. When she was out of service she came to live with You? A. Yes—her conduct has been that of an affectionate mother—she

was a kind—hearted, humane creature—her disposition was very low and desponding.


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2269. JOHN PAWLEY , stealing, whilst employed in the Post-office, a post letter, containing 1 sovereign and 1 half-sovereign, the moneys of Her Majesty's Postmaster-General; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 29.— Transported for Seven Years .

Before Mr. Justice Wightman.

Reference Number: t18481023-2270

2270. WILLIAM MILTON PUGSLEY , stealing, whilst employed under the Post-Office, a post-letter, containing 1s.; the money of Her Majesty's post-master General.

MESSRS. CLARKSON and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS GAPES . I am inspector of letter-carriers at the Charing cross Branch-office—the prisoner has been a letter-carrier at that office for three or four years in the Pimlico district—a letter addressed to Emanuel Hospital Schools would be in his delivery—a letter posted at Beverley, in Yorkshire, on 3rd Aug., would be delivered in town on the morning of the 4th, about nine, or from nine to ten—after his delivery, he came to the office about twenty minutes past twelve—he was then taken into custody upon a process of the County Court—the officers were waiting at the office for his return—they brought him to me, and asked if I would see that all his letters were taken from him before he was taken, as they could not take him while he had any letters in his possession—I desired the prisoner to give up all his letters to his partner, George Feltham—he said he had done so—he was then taken by the officers—this letter (produced) bears the Beverley post-mark of 3rd Aug., and the London post-mark of 4th—it is open—it has been wafered—I know the prisoner's handwriting—I believe this other letter to be his—(produced.)

Cross-examined by MR. BALLAXTINE. Q. Do you know about the number of letters he would have to deliver of a morning. A. I cannot say—I have known instances of money escaping from letters—if such a thing happened while the postman was going his rounds, it would be his duty to explain that to the party to whom he delivered the letter, if he knew the letter out of which it came—if he could not tell, it would be his duty to inform some person in authority, and to receive directions as to what to do—he would not be justified in delivering money to a party with a letter, unless he was quite ascertain that it belonged to that letter—he would not have any opportunity of seeing any of the superiors of the establishment until he was taken into custody—he did not appear to be much excited and agitated—the officers were not in the office—I told him that two persons were waiting for him, and desired him to go out to them—he brought in his collection of letters with him—I have no idea how many there were—he brought them in in a bag—they were letters that he had collected from the different district offices.

JOSEPH KING . I am a warden in the Westminster House of Correction—the prisoner was brought there on the 4th Aug. under a process of the County Court—I was asked by another officer to come and search him, and I did so—the first thing I searched was his hat—I turned up the leather lining and found a piece of newspaper put in, as if the hat was too large for him—I said, "Have you anything else in the hat?" He said, "No." I then tanned down the lining, and there found the letter produced, broken open—I said, "Halloo! here is a letter!" He said, "Oh yes, it is quite right; I have deliverd the letter, and am further going to deliver it to a Mrs. Somebody, "

mentioning some name which I forget, in Chapel-street; it was no such name as is on this letter—I turned the letter round, and said, "It is directed to Master Geo. Eastwood, Emanuel Hospital School, James-street, Westminster, London." He said, "Yes; if I can see the next postman that comes to the prison gate, I will explain the whole particulars to him, and give it to him to take it to where I was to take it to." I was about to take it out of the envelope, when he very quietly took it from my hand, and said, "It is quite right"—I had not read the contents of it—I said, "I don't think you will be allowed to see the next postman; if you will tell me the particulars about it, I will give it to the postman?"—He said, "I think you will not understand it." I said, "Why; is it not written in English?"—he said, "Yes; but you won't understand it." I continued to search him, and the only money I found on him was a penny, and he acknowledged that to be all he had; but he wanted to send for some money—that was while I was searching him—I searched every pocket except his fob, and I told him to turn that out—he said, "he had nothing in it"—he bad given the letter back to me, and I gave it to Maries, who was also present during the search—I handed it to Marles with the other papers—he reported the case to the Governor, and the Governor allowed the prisoner to see the next postman—I was not present—I did not read the letter and envelope at the time I was with the prisoner—it was about five minutes to two when I searched him, and it was about half-past four the same afternoon that I saw it again—Marles was not present when I looked at it—the prisoner did not ask me for pen and ink to write a letter, nor did I see him write a letter—next day I went to the General Post-office, and accompanied Peak back to the prison—I was present when Peak saw the prisoner—Peak said to him, "You are charged with stealing a money-letter containing one shilling, directed to Master Geo. Eastwood, Emanuel Hospital Schools, James-street, Westminster, London." He said, "I did not steal it, I found the shilling in my pocket and meant to have returned it to the inspector on duty."—I said, "How could you do that, when you had only one penny in your pocket?"—he said, he had made use of the money previous to coming in, and he meant to have returned it.

Cross-examined. Q. You have told us two very long conversations; am I to understand that you pledge yourself to the accuracy of them. A. Yes; I have not the least doubt about them—I am sure he said he found the shilling in his pocket—that was said in Peak's presence—I did not hear him say he found the shilling in his bundle of letters—he said he collected his letters at Elliott's; but I did not hear him say anything about finding the shilling in the bundle—it was my duty to search him accurately—this was the only letter I foand in his hat, I swear that—I found another letter in his side coat-pocket, which I gave up to the Post-office authorities—I think I gave it to Marles; it was directed to a Miss Adams, Montagu-place—it was sealed—I have not seen it since—the word "Paid" was put in the corner, but there was was no post mark on it—there was one letter directed to himself—that was found in his breast-pocket; be pulled out three or four memorandums or papers—the letter directed to himself, was with one directed to Miss Adams—it was among the letters he pulled out—I took it out of his breast-pocket with the papers he had—he was very reluctant to take them out—I took part out, and he took part out—he took out the letter directed to himself, and gave it to me; I gave it to Maries—I am quite sure that that letter was not found in his hat, because I read the direction myself—I found the letter in his hat before I found the other papers—I searched the hat the first thing—I put that letter and the other papers all together, and delivered them up to Maries—I

did not find every thins that the prisoner had about him—he acknowledged that he had given up everything—I have been reprimanded for the manner in which I conducted this search—I now know that some other things were found on him—the person is not here that found them—when I found the letter, he said, it was all right; he had delivered it, and was going to further deliver it—that was the letter I found in his hat—he did not say he had to deliver it—I said at Bow-street that he said he had delivered it.

THOMAS MARLES . I was present at the Westminster gaol, when the prisoner was searched. I told him to give up all his property—he was asked whether he had given up everything that he had—he said yes he had done—he had given up a newspaper, and two or three letters, which he took, I believe, from his breast coatpocket—King was present when he produced them—he had his hat on—I saw King take it off and search it, and find a letter in it—that was after the other papers were found—I am quite sure of that—this is the envelope of the letter that was taken from his hat—I read the address—I took the letters and papers and wrapped them up in a parcel—kept them for about half an hour, and then delivered the letter again to the prisoner—he said he wished to see the next postman that came, in order that he might give the letter up to him—a postman came soon after wards, and I was present when the prisoner saw him—the prisoner requested the postman to go to some place and obtain some money for him, and to come again at at half-past five o'clock—I do not remember the place he mentioned—the post-man said, "Very well," and the prisoner was about to come away, and I said, "I thought you had a letter to give him? you have not given him the letter"—I had given him back the letter before that—the prisoner said, "Yes, I have a letter," put his hand into his side pocket, and pulled it out, and asked the postman if he knew a somebody; I believe it was Mrs. Williams, but I am not certain, in Little Chapel-street—the postman said no, he did not know the house—the prisoner said, "No, I have forgotten the number, and if you will return at half-past five I will write out an explanation for yon"—the postman said, "If you have a letter I had better deliver that; no doubt I shall rind it out"—he said, "No, if you call at half-past five and bring me some money, I will write out the whole of the explanation for you"—he showed the postman a letter—the postman took it, and returned it to him again directly, and he kept it for a short time after the postman left, and then applied to me for paper to write out the explanation—I supplied him—he wrote more than one—he gave me one addressed to a person in Regent-street; I gave it to the Governor—I saw no more of him—at the same time he gave me this letter, addressed to the Inspector, Charing-cross post-office—it is not one of the sheets of paper I supplied to him, but I know he wrote it—it was wafered when he gave it me—the wafer was wet—it was open when I had it half an hour before—the Governor opened it, and King was sent to Emanuel Hospital with it.

Cross-examined. Q. Was not the other letter to Mr. Pridley, Palace-street, Pimlico? A. No; I heard everything that was said during the search—I cannot swear he had not taken his hat off when the letters were being delivered up—King took it off afterwards—the letter taken out of it was placed on the top of the others, tied up in a parcel, and delivered by King to me—when it was found. King said, "Here is a letter; it is broken open"—the prisoner said, "Oh yes, it is all right, I have delivered the letter, but have been requested as a favour to deliver it to somebody else"—he did not mention the name, but said, "to some one in Chapel-street"—a bit of 3 paper was also found in his hat—1d. was found—he was asked if he had

anything more—he said "No," that was all he had—King did not say anything about a shilling that day—I was not present when he was searched the second time.

MR. BODKIN. Q. When you left the room, had you any notion that that letter was supposed to contain money? A. No, not till the Governor broke it open—it was open when it was found—I never read it—I am not aware that any one did, till the Governor did—I have no recollection of money being mentioned during the whole time I and King were together.

MATTHEW PEAK . On 5th Aug. I received a warrant to apprehend the prisoner, and went to the House of Detention, and informed him I took him for stealing a letter adressed "Master George Eastwood, Emanuel Hospital, Westminster," containing 1s., which ought to have been delivered the day before—I asked him if he had anything to say to it—he said, "No"—I said, "Am I to take that as an answer?"—he stopped a minute, and said, "I found the shilling among the letters, and intended to take it back to the Inspector when I went back"—that he found Master George Eastwood's letter open, and he was going to ask the Inspector if he was to deliver the letter with or without the shilling—King said, "How could you do that when you only had a penny on you?"—he said, "No, I made away with that, and all I had, before I came here."

Cross-examined. Q. This was at Tothill-fields prison? A. Yes—he did not say he found the shilling in his pocket; but among the bundle of letters.

GEORGE EASTWOOD . I am the father of George Eastwood, who was at the hospital, and live at Ramsburton, Yorkshire. On 3rd Aug. I wrote this letter, and put it in this envelope—it was directed by a friend of mine to my son—this is his writing—I wrote another letter to Mary Elizabeth Waters, the schoolmistress at Emanuel—I wafered both letters about twelve o'clock, and gave them to Stevenson, the post-carrier, who goes between Ramsburton and Beverley—they were quite secure—I know no one living in Little Chapel-street, London.

GEORGE EASTWOOD, JUS . I was at Emanuel Hospital School. On 8th Aug. I went home for the holidays—I received no note from my father about a week before, and no shilling—I know no one in Little Chapel-street, London.

Cross-examined. Q. Is the hospital at the end of Little Chapel-street? A. Yes.

JULIA SEYMOUR . I was at Emanuel Hospital-school. I recollect the letters coming on 4th Aug.—they are put into a box—I saw the prisoner, who is postman, that morning, about eleven o'clock, put three letters into the box—I bad heard the postman's bell ring before that—I took out the three letters, and gave two to Mrs. Waters, and one to the boy Thompson—this letter, addressed Master George Eastwood, was not there.

SAMUEL MILDER . I am a letter-carrier at the Charing-cross Post-office. On 4th Aug., between two and three o'clock, I had occasion to go to the westminstor House of Correction, and in consequence of information from the Porter, I went into the place, and remained till the prisoner was brought—he put a letter in my hand—after I had read the address, he took it back—he said he had a re-direction for it to go to Little Chapel-street—he could not think of the name or number, but said he would endeavour to do so—he asked me to bring him some pens and writing-paper out of his drawer, and to know what time I could take his money and his wages—the warder gave me the key of his drawer to get the pape'rs, and I then left the prison—I

saw him again next day—he said he was so confused the day before at being brought there, that ho could not tell rightly about the letter; but that when he was in Elliott's brew house, on untying his letters, there was 1s., fell out, and he found a letter with the seal broken that he thought it had come out of, and he intended to keep it to send to the Inspector at Charing-cross for his opinion.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you had money tumble out of your letters in the course of your delivery? A. No; it never happened to me—once in the course of my sorting in the office, a sixpence fell out of a letter by accident, and it was given to the Inspector, who was present at the time—I have gone the same beat as the prisoner—I have not known him to put letters aside in his hat—I have put letters into my hat on a wet day, when I could not get at my pocket.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Have you ever put them in the lining of your half? A. No; if money dropped from a letter in my possession, I should think is my duty immediately to communicate it to the officer on duty.

GEORGE FELTHAM . I was the prisoner's partner in the delivery of the district of Pimlico. On the 4th Aug., the day he was taken, he did not hand me any letters.

(The letter being read, mentioned the fact of 1s.being enclosed in it.) The letter written by the prisoner was as follows:—"To the Inspector, Charing-cross.—This morning I found with my letters 1s., and meant to have star: you the letter I supposed it came out of, as the seal was broken or imperfect, I gave it to one of our men to deliver, and the shilling was enclosed to you. The letter was addressed—'Emanuel Hospital, Westminster.'" (The prisoner here produced his hat, and King pointed out where he found the letter.)

GUILTY. Aged 35.—Recommended to mercy. Transported for Seven Years.

Before Mr. Justice Maule.

Reference Number: t18481023-2271

2271. JOSIAH KINGSBURY , stealing whilst employed in the Post-office, a post-letter containing money, the property of the Postmaster-General; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 26.— Transported for Seven Years.

(John Bowrer, printer, Bagnigge-wells-road, and Henry Allen, of Great Wild-street, carman, gave the prisoner a good character.)

Reference Number: t18481023-2272

2272. JOHN MILLS , stealing a sovereign from a post-letter, the property of the Postmaster-General.

MESSRS. CLARKSON and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN PLAYLE . I am an inspector of letter-carriers to the General Post-office. The prisoner has been a letter-carrier there two year—his was the Paragon district, New Kent-road. In consequence of complaints, I received instructions to enclose some money in a letter—I saw a sovereign enclosed in an envelope with a letter—I marked it, and saw it marked and sealed up securely by Mr. Russell, and addressed, "Mr. C. Dyer, 6, Wey-mouth-street, New Kent-road, London"—this is it—(produced)—I posted It at the public place at the General Post-office—Gardner took it from my hand at five minutes past five o'clock in the morning—I did not see the prisoner in the office till eleven—he had then been out, and returned—it was his duty to go out with letters about eight—this address is not within his district—I received the letter from Mr. Bell, of the London district department about nine the same morning—it would go to that office in due course—it then had no coin in it—the seal was not broken, but there was a fracture on the upper right corner of the envelope in the crease, large enough for the

sovereign to be taken out; the raw edge of the note came to the aperture, it could be shaken out—eleven was the time the prisoner would receive his weekly wages, but he was desired to go into Mr. Kelly's private room—Peak, who was there, searched him, and produced 19s. in silver in one end of a purse—there were two crowns—I do not know what was in the other—he was asked if he bad seen that letter that morning—he said, "No"—he was asked if he had changed a sovereign—he said he had not—he was asked if he had been into any public-house—he said, "No "—he was detained—I was in the same room about four in the afternoon, when he was again asked if he had been into any public-house and changed a sovereign—he said, "No"—he was asked if he had not been to the Rockingham Arms that day—he said be bad, to get a pot of porter, which he paid for with a fourpenny piece, receiving 1d. change—he was asked if he was sure he had not paid for it with a sovereign—he said he had not—Duncan was then brought in, and said in the prisoner's hearing that he had given him change for a sovereign that morning—the prisoner said, "I did change a sovereign—I did not like to confess that I had done so, after having said repeatedly that I had not; I found it on my seat"—Mr. Kelly said, "Why did not you give it up, you knew it was your duty to give it up to one of the Inspectors "—I do not remember his answer—this is the sovereign—here is my mark—it was given me for the purpose, from the public funds of the Post-office.

Cross-examined by MR. PAREY. Q. Did the letter travel from Manchester to London? A. No; the Manchester post-mark was put here—I gave Gardner five or six letters, to give to the superintendent of the sorting—all contained marked sovereigns, and one, other coin as well—the letters were in a lump in my hand—I did not count them; there were not more than eight—I can see the mark without a glass—I marked each of the other coins in different ways—here is a memorandum of the mark I put on this sovereign; it is a dot after "Dei," it is a Victoria sovereign of 1846.

MR. BODKIN. Q. A letter posted in this way would come into Gardner's hands? A. Not of necessity—this was a special case; I made him a receiver for the purpose—it would undergo two or three different sortings.

THOMAS RUSSELL . I am an Inspector of letter-carriers. On 29th Sept. I enclosed this sovereign in a letter—here is my mark on it—I put it into this envelope, addressed to Mr. Dyer—it was delivered to Mr. Playle, with others, prepared for the same purpose.

Cross-examined. Q. Was the sovereign in the note? A. Put loosely into it, and the note put into the envelope—it would not come out by fair means—it is a fictitious letter—I am positive of the mark—I have a memorandum of it; it is a dot at the end of "Regina "—Mr. Playle described the sovereign, I examined it, and found it correct—we both described it on the same paper, and put our initials.

JOHN GARDNER . I am a clerk in the inland-department of the General Post-office. On 30th Sept. I was on duty there, and received a packet of letters, containing coin, from Mr. Playle—I believe this produced to be one—I took them into the superintending-president's office, and gave them to Mr. Rice in the state in which I received them.

Cross-examined. Q. Were these post marks on it when you received it? A. Yes.

HENRY RICE . I am superintending letter-sorter in the Post-office. On the morning of 30th Sept. I received several letters from Gardner—this is one of them—they appeared to contain coin—there is such a person as Mr. Dyer at this address—if it had gone in its proper direction it would have found

him—he would know the object of its being sent—I went, about six o'clock, to the twelfth division of the sorting-office, and placed this letter among those already sorted for the Paragon district—the collector takes them from those—the Paragon district is not divided into parts; they are all given to one to deliver there—they would find their way to the prisoner, the letter-carrier of that district—I saw him take them away ten minutes afterwards—this address is not in his delivery, but it was intended to be done—it would be his duty to give it to the blind sorter, as soon as he discovered it, in going through his letters to set them, which is done at his seat in the Post-office.

Cross-examined. Q. What time were they given to you? A. About half-past five o'clock—the prisoner's duty commenced at a quarter-past—he signs the book at that time—he might have seen me when he fetched the letters, I was close by—the letter would get to the London district in its ordinary course—one side of the New Kent-road is in the London district—the Paragon district is nearest the Post-office.

MATTHEW PEAK . On 30th Sept., about twelve o'clock, I searched the prisoner in Mr. Kelly's room, and found on him 1l. 1s. 8d. in silver, and 4 1/2 d. in copper—there were two crowns—this letter produced was shown to him, and it was stated that a sovereign had been abstracted from it—he said he knew nothing about it—it was said that it had been placed among his letters that morning—he said he knew nothing about it—he was asked if he had changed a sovereign that morning—he said, "No"—he was asked if he had been into any public-house that morning to have anything to drink—he said, "No."

ROBERT POTTER . I acted as blind-sorter at the Post-office—mis-sorted letters are brought to me—I keep no account of them; I cannot tell whether this was brought, if it was I should have sent it to the London district.

JOHN DUNCAN . I am fifteen years old, and am bar-boy at the Rocking-ham Arms, New Kent-road. The prisoner delivers letters there—he came there on the day I was taken to the Post-office, for a pot of porter—it came to 3d.—he gave me a sovereign—I gave it to Hodges, who put it through a chink into the gold part of the till, which was separate from the other, and kept locked, he gave me silver, which I gave the prisoner—there were two 5s.-pieces among it.

EDWARD HODGES . I put the sovereign into the gold-drawer, which was kept locked, and gave Duncan the change.

ROBERT SINCLAIR . I am son of the keeper of the Rockingham Arms. On 30th Sept. Tyrrell came—I opened the gold-drawer, and gave it him to look at—he selected a sovereign from several there—I put a mark on it—this produced is it.

ROBERT TYREELL . I am an officer of the Post-office. On 30th Sept. I selected this sovereign from others, at Mr. Sinclair's, by means of a written paper.

SAMUEL BELL . I am President of the London-district office—Mr. Edwards, a clerk in that office, gave me this letter—it would arrive there, being directed to Weymouth-street—it was found about eight o'clock.

Cross-examined. Q. Who brought it? A. It came from the Inland-office, with others, in a box, through a tunnel—they are sent by a messenger—if it was given to the blind-sorter, he would transfer it to the messenger.

The Rev. Robert Eden, of Lee, Essex, and John M. Nowland, surgeon, of Newington, gave the prisoner a good character.

GUILTY. Aged 25.—Recommended to merery Transported for Seven Years.

NEW COURT.—Wednesday, October 25th, 1848.


Before Mr. Recorder and the Fifth Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2273

2273. CORNELIUS LANE and WILLIAM RAYSON , stealing 110lbs. weight of lead, value 15s.; the goods of John Ianson and another, their masters.

MR. ROBINSON conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM DEARLOVE (City-policeman, 45). On Tuesday evening, 19th Sept., about half-past seven o'clock, I saw a horse and cart in the Old Bailey, standing at the corner of Fleet-lane—Lane stood by it, and Rayson took some lead pipe from it, and carried it down Fleet-lane—Lane could see what he did; he was three or four feet from him—I watched him to Mr. Clarke's shop, fifty or sixty yards from the cart, but not in view of it—he put it into the scale there—I went back, and gave Lane in charge, then returned to the shop, and Rayson had gone—I took Lane to the shop, and asked if he knew anything of the lead, he said, "No"—I said I had just seen it taken from the cart, and he must know something of it—he said, "I do not"—I took him to the station—I afterwards took Rayson, at Sattoii-street, Soho—I compared the lead with some on Dr. Dale's premises—it corresponded, and weighed 110lbs.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE.Q. Did Rayson take it from the tail of the cart? A. Yes—I saw Rayson confronted with Lane in the outer-room at the Police-court—directly Lane saw Rayson, he said, "This is a pretty mess you have got me into"—Rayson made no reply.

JAMES CLARK . I am a rag-merchant, of Fleet-lane. Rayson brought some lead to me, and placed it on the weighing-machine, about half-past seven o'clock—I asked if it was his—he said, "Yes; if you do not like to have it, I will take it elsewhere "—he brought it in an open manner, and placed it under the gas—I gave him 11s. 9d. for it.

WILLIAM READER . I am in Mr. Clarke's employ. I saw Rayson bring the lead—I paid him the money, and have no doubt of him.

JOHN IANSON . I am a builder, of Cirencester-place, Marylebone. I contracted to rebuild the Rev. Dr. Dale's premises—the prisoners were in my service—it was Rayson's business to see the lead weighed before it left the premises, and give a voucher to Lane, who is the carman—my instructions were that it should be taken to Pontifex's, in Shoe-lane—the time for leaving work is half-past five—they ought not to have been there at half-past seven.

Cross-examined. Q. Rayson was foreman? A. On this occasion; not generally—Lane would know nothing but what he told him—they had both been in my employ many years—Shoe-lane is not five minutes' walk from Fleet-lane—I believe the warehouse closes at six o'clock—I do not know whether it does not close atseven—Lane has said before that it was no use taking lead away late—I have had no reason to suspect Rayson before—by going down Fleet-lane they would have to carry the lead, instead of keeping it in the cart—the foreman has no business to be with the cart when the lead is delivered, but they might have been walking the same road—we had no return made of this, lead—it was not Rayson's duty to deliver it.

LANE— GUILTY. Aged 45. Recommended to mercy. Confined One Month.

RAYSON— GUILTY. Aged 43. Recommended to mercy. Confined Three Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2274

2274. JAMES BRADLEY , stealing 1 ring, value 10l.; the goods of Richard Willis, his master.

THOMAS SWAINE . I am in the service of Mr. Walker, pawnbroker 48, Goswell-road. I produce a diamond ring, pawned by the prisoner on 7th Sept.—I advanced 5l. on it—I asked if it was his—he said, "Yes" he made it himself.

THOMAS WILLIS . I assist my brother, Richard Willis, a goldsmith and jeweller, of 15, Clerkenwell-green. This ring is his—the prisoner is his workman, and made it—he was absent some days—I unlocked his can in his absence, and missed it—the men lock up their work, to protect it—one key is kept by the master, and one by the man—on 18th Oct. the prisoner came into the shop to work—before I gave him his can, he said he had had a misfortune with one of the stones, and he had taken the ring to get another stone for it—he worked there till one o'clock, and was given in charge—he said ho had pawned the ring.

Prisoner. They are all faulty stones; one has a rough edge, which was the reason I took it away.

ALICE WILLIS . I am the prosecutor's wife. I sent for the prisoner—he said he had had an accident with the ring, and had taken it away, and, then lost it.

CHARLES MOSCDALE (policeman, G 226). I took the prisoner, and from what he said, I found the ring at Mr. Swaine's.

Prisoner's Defence. I chipped one of the diamonds, and took it away to get it repaired without naming it, as I have done three times before.

THOMAS WILLIS re-examined. The men are not permitted to take work away without mentioning it—the work is given up every night in the cans.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 40.— Confined Three Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2275

2275. WILLIAM NASH , stealing 1 gelding and chaise, I set of harness, and other articles, value 50l.; the goods of Robert Stapleton; and 3 capes, 10s.; the goods of William Green.

ROBERT STAPLETON . I am a livery-stable keeper, of New Broad-street-mews. From information I received, I gave the prisoner in charge at the Three Nuns, Aldgate, on 7th Sept.—my man was not to leave the prisoner.

WILLIAM GREEN . I am Mr. Stapleton's servant. On 30th Aug. I went with the prisoner to Edmonton, with a horse and gig—he drove, but wished a person to go with him—I was not in charge of it—we went to the Angel, at Edmonton—he ordered dinner for himself and me, separately—he remained till about six o'clock, and inquired for a boarding-school, where he said he had a sister—he went away at six, and returned at seven, said he had found her, and ordered the horse to be put to, to fetch her to tea—he went away with the horse and chaise, and never returned—I got information in seven or eight days, and went and identified him—the horse and chaise were found at the Brunswick-stables, Blackwall—three capes of mine were in the gig.

JOHN BERWICK . I am ostler to Mr. Healey, of Blackwall. The porter from the Brunswick Tavern brought a horse and gig there—it remained seven days—Mr. Stapleton took it away.

JOHN PKITCHARD (City-policeman, 550). On 6th Sept. I took the prisoner—I went with Mr. Stapleton and found the horse and chaise at Mr. Healey's livery-stables—they were delivered to him, and the capes to Berwick—the cushions, whip, and mat were at the Brunswick Hotel.

JOHN SPITTLL (City-policeman, 671). I saw the prisoner at the station,

and said it was a very bad affair, Mr. Stapleton was very uneasy about his horse and chaise—he said they were at the Brunswick hotel—I took Mr. Stapleton there, and he received his property.

Prisoner. You came up and spoke to me under the guise of friendship; you never said that what I said would be given in evidence against me? Witness. No, I did not—I Was in plain clothes.

ROBERT CLARK . I manage the Brunswick hotel. A person came to me with a horse and gig, and wanted a bed—he had tea, and borrowed three shillings.


Reference Number: t18481023-2276

2276. WILLIAM NASH was again indicted for stealing 1 gelding, I saddle, and 1 bridle, value 33l.; the property of George Scott.

PHILIP WATSON . I am servant to George Scott, livery-stable keeper, of Cavendish-street, Portland-place. On Sunday, 27th Aug., a little after eight in the evening, the prisoner applied to me for a saddle-horse to go to Barnet, next day—it was to be sent to Neighbour's coffee-house—he gave his name William Nash, and said his office was close by—I went next morning to Mr. Neighbour and asked if he was respectable—I found the real Mr. Nash was perfectly respectable, and took the horse and met the prisoner on the steps waiting for me—I asked him for the money, a guinea; he said he had nothing but notes, but if I would go to his office and ask for his brother Thomas he would pay the money, but he said, "Don't let the clerks know; I don't wish my father to know it"—he told me to go to the Adelaide hotel, London-bridge, and order rump-steaks for his dinner, at seven—I did so—I went to Great Arthur-street, to the firm of Nash and Co., for the guinea—they disclaimed all knowledge of the prisoner—I did not see him till he was at the station—I found the horse at the Star and Garter, Richmond—it cost 1l. 16s. for its keep there.

WILLIAM ASKEW . I am door-porter at the Star and Garter, Richmond. On 28th Aug. the prisoner came there about three in the afternoon—I took a horse of him—he said it was to be fed—he went into the coffee-room, dined, had tea, and then engaged a fly to go to the Old Ship to play at billiards, as there were no amusements at our house—our man took him, came back, borrowed a sovereign for him, and took it to him—he was to fetch him at half-past eleven at night—he went, but the prisoner had gone—he bad engaged a bed at our house—the horse was there ten days—Mr. Scott identified it.

JOHN SPITTLE (City-policeman, 671). The prisoner told me the horse was at the Star and Garter.

GEORGE SCOTT . I went to Richmond, got my horse, and paid its expenses.

Prisoner's Defence. I lost all I had with me at billiards, and could not go hack; I never offered to sell the horse.

GUILTY . Aged 23.— Confined One Tear.

Reference Number: t18481023-2277

2277. THOMAS DAVIS , stealing 2 blankets, value 2s., and other articles, the goods of John Lyas, in a vessel on the river Thames; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined One Month .

Reference Number: t18481023-2278

2278. JOHN MILLOTT , stealing 10 shillings, 24 pence, and 12 halfpence, the moneys of William Henry Devoll, his master; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 14.— Confined One Month .

Reference Number: t18481023-2279

2279. JOHN SMITH , stealing 1 pair of boots, value 10s., the goods of Peter Golding; having been before convicted; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Nine Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2280

2280. JAMES ASHLEY , burglary in the dwelling-house of Susannah Duval, and stealing 3 half-crowns, and other moneys, her property having been before convicted.

SUSANNAH DUVAL . I am a widow, and keep a chandler's-shop in Devonshire-road, Chiswick. On 24th Sept. I fastened up my house—the parlour window was fastened with a catch—it is above a garden at the back of my house—it had been mended with putty, the removal of which would enable a person to open the catch—I found it open next morning, about half-past six, and I missed from my till about thirty-rive shillings—there were half-crowns, and about five shillings worth of pence and halfpence—a ladder was put against the back fence, which was not its place—I saw the policeman compare some boots with some marks in the mould—they were put down by the side of the marks and made the same marks exactly—a piece of candle was thrown in the garden amongst some shrubs.

CHARLES BUTLER (police-sergeant, T 1). I was sent fur by the prosecutrix, and I saw distinct marks of two men across two gardens to the place where a square of glass had been taken out and an entrance made—I had suspected the prisoner and I took him—I took his boots off, took them to the gardens, and made impressions with them which so corresponded with the others as to satisfy me that the original marks were made by them—I found on him half-a-crown, two shillings, and twopence in copper—there were the marks of another plain shoe, which was a longer foot than this.

ZALLAH COLTON . I keep a second-hand clothes shop. On the morning of the 25th of Sept. the prisoner came to my shop to purchase a shirt—he paid tenpence in copper for it and a sixpence.

GEORGE WILLIAM BROWN . I went into the Jolly Gardeners on the evening of 24th Sept.—the prisoner came in and asked me to pay for a pint of beer for him—he said he would be sure and pay me on Monday morning, the 25th—he stayed there till about five minutes to eleven—he then went out the back way—I saw him next morning about a quarter past seven—he pulled out a halfpenny and two farthings, and said, "This is all I have got, and here comes a man that wants it; but don't be afraid, I will be sure and pay you to-day."

Prisoner. I went to the Jolly Gardeners on Sunday night, and was there till a quarter past seven on Monday morning.

CHARLES BUTLER re-examined. He never slept in the house—he might have slept in a shed at the back—he was taken about eight o'clock in the morning—there were marks of candle-grease inside the house and outside, and some lucifers—I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction—(read—Convicted July, 1848, and confined two months)—he is the person.

GUILTY . Aged 22.— Transported for Ten Years .

Reference Number: t18481023-2281

2281. HENRY ADAMS , stealing 5 handkerchiefs, value 6s. 10d.; the goods of William Couchman.

HENRY MANNERS . I am servant to William Couchman, a linen draper in Farringdon-street. On 21st Oct. I heard a noise outside the shop—I ran out and saw the prisoner going up the passage by the side of the shop—I followed and charged him with having something that did not belong to him—he threw down from under his coat this bundle of five handkerchiefs, which are my master's, and which I saw by the side of the door about half-past four.

JAMES HOLLAND (City-policeman, 262). I took the prisoner, and have the handkerchiefs.

Prisoner. I had just picked them up.

GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Three Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2282

2282. WILLIAM JOHNSON , stealing 1 knife, value 3d., 31 halfpence, and other moneys; the property of Richard Wilks Neal, from his person.

RICHARD WILKS NEAL . I was at Billingsgate on the morning of 23rd Oct.—I saw a hand go past my pocket, turned and saw the prisoner near me—I felt in my pocket and my knife was gone, and about 1s. 3d. out of about half-a-crown's worth of copper money which I had in my pocket—I followed him and saw him put his right hand in his pocket—I seized him with it, half in and half out of his pocktt, called a policeman, and gave him into custody—going to the station I said, If he has got my coppers you will find a penny which has neither head nor tail on it, and one old halfpenny;" they were found on him—there were three pieces that I could swear to—these are them (produced)—this is my knife.

JOHN MERRY (City-policeman, 535). I took the prisoner, and took this knife from his hand—Neal said there was a penny on which the head could not be discovered—this is it.

Prisoner. I picked up the knife.

GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Nine Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2283

2283. JOHN FREEMAN , feloniously uttering a forged promissory-note for the payment of 2l. 5s., with intent to defraud George Whittle.

MR. PAYNE conducted the Prosecution.

GEORGE WHITTLE . I am an auctioneer. The prisoner was my clerk—on 5th June he came into my office and said his father was dangerously ill, and the medical man said he must go into the country, and he wished to know whether I would lend him 2l. 5s. to enable him to go—I said if his father would sign a bill and pay it back at Is. 6d. a week he should have it—next morning he brought me this bill, payable to me—he said his father had signed it, and he had witnessed it—I let him have the money—1s. 6d. a week was stopped for four weeks from the prisoner for it—I thought it was a genuine note.

WILLIAM FREEMAN . I am the prisoner's father, and live in Union-street, Hoxton. The signature to this note is not my writing—I authorised the prisoner to sign my name to it—(The witness's deposition being read, contained these words, "I never authorised the prisoner or any other person to sign it")—I signed this deposition, being delirious and very ill—I did not know what I signed—I did give my son authority about a week before this bill was signed—I was ill and not able to sign it myself.


Reference Number: t18481023-2284

2284. JOHN FREEMAN was again indicted , for embezzlement.

MR. PAYNE conducted the Prosecution.

GEORGE WHITTLE . I am an auctioneer. The prisoner was in my service—he was paid by the week, and had perquisites—it was his duty to receive money, and to hand it to me on his return—on 29th June, I sent him to receive 1l. 1s.—he brought me only 7s. 6d., and entered it in his book—I had a sale near Peckham—I sold goods to Mr. Ward—the balance of his bill was 23l. 12s. 6d.—I sent the prisoner in July to receive that—he never paid it to me—I sent him with a key, he dropped that enclosed in a piece of paper into my letter-box and absconded—at the station he said he hoped I would not Prss the charge.

Cross-exammed by MR. PRENDERGAST. Q. Your business is a good deal among Publicans? A. Yes; he would have an opportunity of drinking.

RICHARD WARD . I paid 23l. 12s. 6d. in gold and silver to a young man account of Mr. Whittle.

JONS JENKINSON (policeman, 53 G). I took the prisoner in Hampshire—I told him he was charged with receiving this money—he said nothing—he afterwards said they gave him drink, made him drunk, and he lost part of the money.

MATILDA WOODHOUSE . I am the wife of Joseph Woodhouse, of Dock Head. The prisoner called on me and I paid him 1l. 1s., for Mr. Whittle.

(The prisoner received a good character, and a witness engaged to employ him.)

GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Two Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2285

2285. MARK RICHARD COX , stealing 1 watch and chain, value 4l.; the goods of Frances Lyon Barnett; also 1 watch and chain, value 4l.; the goods of William Benham Tomlinson and another; to both which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 27.— Confined Six Months.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

Reference Number: t18481023-2286

2286. BRYAN CRAVEN , stealing 50lbs. of iron and other articles; having been before convicted; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 14.— Confined Three Months and Whipped .

Reference Number: t18481023-2287

2287. SARAH TAYLOR , stealing 3 gowns, value 14l.; also 1 mantilla, 1 gown, and other articles, value 8l. 10s.; the goods of William Dodsworth, her master, in his dwelling-house, to both which she pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Six Months.

OLD COURT. Thursday, 26th Oct.; Friday, 27th; and Saturday, 28th, 1848.


Before Edward Bullock, Esq. and the Fourth Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2288

2288. THOMAS SMITH was indicted for a robbery upon Jane Maddon, and stealing a bonnet, gown, cape, and other articles, value 13s. 6d.; her goods.

JANE MADDON . I live at 29, Paul-street, Tabernacle-square. On Sunday night, 9th Oct., about half-past eleven o'clock, I was going home, and met the prisoner with a girl, in Whitechapel-road—no one was with me—I did not know the prisoner before—he did not say anything to me as I passed—I walked on with him and the girl till we came to Kent-street, Spital fields—we went into a house, and they gave me something to drink, after which I became quite stupid, and went to sleep—no one was in the room but those two—I felt nothing done to me when I was stupid—when I awoke, all my clothes were gone; I did not feel them go from me—this is my name to these depositions—it was read over to me before I signed it—(the depositions being read stated that when she first saw the prisoner he said, "If you will go with me to my sister's I will give you some coffee;" and afterwards, "He dragged me into the passage of a house ")—he did ask me to go to his sister's and have some coffee—I do not recollect his dragging me into the passage—I felt them taking off my clothes—I lost my bonnet, cape, frock, stays, boots, and a petticoat—when I came to myself I found they were gone—I heard the prisoner and

the girl go up stairs—they left me by myself—I went to the street-door, and found it was locked and bolted—the key was left in it, bat I could not reach the bolt—a woman came down stairs, unbolted the door, and let me out—I did not call out, because I was too frightened—when I got into the street I saw a policeman named Dunaway—I told him, and took him back to the house we searched the house, but could not find the prisoner or the girl—I left the house about two hours after I found I had been robbed—I could not get out before the woman came down—the policeman took me to the station, and sent me home—I had never seen the prisoner before—I am quite sure he is the man—I saw him again on the Tuesday night—there were a dozen more with him—I picked him out of them myself.

Prisoner. Q. When was the stuff given to you? A. When I went in—I walked out of Whitecbapel by the side of you and the girl—the stuff took away my senses directly—I told the Magistrate it was you that took my clothes away—the passage was dark.

PORTER WILLIAM DUNAWAY (policeman, H 129). Between four and five o'clock, on Monday morning, 9th Oct., I was on duty in Wentworth-street, Whitechapel—I heard somebody crying out in Kent-street, went, and saw the last witness, who made a complaint to me, in consequence of which I went with her to 5, Kent-street—she told me again what had happened to her—I went into the house with her, and searched all over it, but did not find the prisoner or the girl; I searched another house, and did not find them there—the girl bad lost her clothes, and required some; some one at one of the houses lent her some—I met her again on the following Tuesday, a little after nine, and went with her to the same two bouses—we did not find the prisoner—we came into the street—there were some persons standing directly opposite, and Maddon pointed out the prisoner, and 1 took him into custody—I did not tell him what it was for—Maddon was present, and he saw her—as we were going to the station he said, "Do not lead me along the street; I can walk without leading"—I said, "Nevei mind; it is no harm to lead you"—he said, "I have done nothing; I do not know what I am taken into custody for"—I said, "You will hear the charge against you at the station; some one ought to know something about it;" and he said, "So they do, if she had been stripped of her clothes, as she says she has been "—I had said nothing about her being stripped of her clothes, nor had the girl.

Prisoner. Q. Did not I say to you, "What does she mean?" and did not you say, "You know what she'means?" A. No.

GUILTY . † Aged 19.— Transported for Ten Years .

Reference Number: t18481023-2289

2289. GEORGE SMITH , feloniously being at large before the expiration of the term for which he had been ordered to be transported.

JAMES FREWIN (policeman, N 84). In consequence of some information on the night of 15th Sept., I went to an unfinished building in Hoxton Old Town, and there found the prisoner—I asked him what he was doing there—he told me he had got in there for the purpose of lying down—I told him I thought there was a serious charge against him, and I should take him to the station—I examined him there, and found his person exactly answered the description I had heard of him—I then told him I charged him with being an escaped convict from the York bulk—he said nothing.

FREDERICK POLLAR (policeman, G 214). I know the prisoner—I was Present at his trial on 14th June, 1847—I was a witness—he was transported for seven years—I have the certificate, which I got from Mr. Clark's office—(read—George Smith, Convicted 14th June, 1847, and Transported for Seven

Years)—the prisoner is the person to whom it refers—I saw him tried, convicted, and sentenced.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. Did you know him before? A. Yes, and knew his person.

ROBERT STANIER . I am quarter-master on board the York hulk, at Gos-port. I know the prisoner—he was on board the hulk on 31st last Aug. as a convict under sentence of transportation for seven years—he was employed on the public works ashore at Gosport—he was not under my charge—I missed him on 1st Sept., and never saw him afterwards till he was in custody Worship-street.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you the superintendent in charge of him? A. No; a ship-mate named Baine was—sometimes it happens that persons who have served half their time at Gosport, when their conduct is good, are discharged—we do not transport now for short periods; they send them out as emigrants—this man's conduct was not very good.

GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Eight Days, and Transported for Ten Years.

Reference Number: t18481023-2290

2290. JEREMIAH TIBBETS , burglary in the dwelling-house of Edwin: Gee, and stealing one candlestick, half-a-pint of brandy, and other articles, value 14s., his goods; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 32.— Transported for Seven Years .

Reference Number: t18481023-2291

2291. WILLIAM BAXTER , stealing 2 sovereigns, 2 half-sovereigns, and 8 half-crowns, the moneys of James Bryson, his master; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Six Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2292

2292. JAMES PENNINGTON , feloniously cutting and wounding Martha Pearce upon her forehead and eyebrow, with intent to do her grievous bodily harm.

MR. PAYNE conducted the Prosecution.

MARTHA PEARCE . I have lived with the prisoner nine years as his wife. On 3rd Oct., about a quarter to ten o'clock at night, he came home from work—we had some angry words—I went out on an errand, returned in half-an-hour, and let myself in with a key—I was sober—the prisoner was undressed, and getting into bed—he ran at me and struck me a violent blow on the nose with his hand, which made it bleed—I went to get something to stop it, and found he had locked the door—I wanted to escape—he took up a knife, said, "You b——y bitch I will do for you," and stabbed me on the temple—I fell, and cried, "Murder!"—I bled a great deal, and the boards were broken in about half a yard—when he knocked me down, he took up something, wiped my eyes, and said it was all right—I found the key, and opened the door—the prisoner ran up-stairs, and I ran down—a policeman was coming in—we went up, and the prisoner was then in the room in his shirt—lie was quite sober—I was taken to the hospital.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. Is he subject to fits? A. Yes, he had one at the station, but he can throw himself into them—I do not know that he was discharged from his employment on account of fits—I was very much excited—he said, "Why do you come home tipsy?"—I had only had half-a-pint of beer all day.

THOMAS ALLUM (policeman, F 320). I took the prisoner to the station., and Penrce to the hospital—she was very excited and agitated—she gave me this knife, which she said she picked off the floor, and he had stabbed her with it—I saw blood all about the floor—the prisoner was sober.

Cross-examined. Q. Did not Pearce appear to have been drinking? A. Yes; but she was quite sober—the prisoner had a fit at the station, and ms attended by the police doctor.

JAMES MORRIS . I am house-surgeonat University College Hospital. Pearce was brought there with a wound over the left eye rather more than an inch long—it did not go to the bone—she smelt a little of beer, but was quite sober.

Cross-examined. Q. Could it have been made by a fall against the lock of the door? A. No; it was just such a wound as this knife would make.

GUILTY of an Assault . Aged 33.— Confined Twelve Months.

Before Mr. Justice Maule.

Reference Number: t18481023-2293

2293. GEORGE BRIDGE MULLINS was indicted , for that he, with others, feloniously did compass, imagine, devise, and intend to levy war against the Queen, in order by force and constraint to compel her to change her measures, and that they did evidence that compassing by divers overt acts set forth in the indictment: 2nd COUNT, for a like compassing, with intent to depose the Queen from the style, honour, and dignity of the Imperial Crown.


THOMAS POWELL . In April last I joined the Chartist Association. I do not remember on what day—the association was divided into different localities in London—I belonged to the Cripplegate locality, the place of meeting for which was at Cartwright's Coffee-house, Redcross-street, Cripplegate, in a front room on the first floor—the affairs of that locality were conducted by a council of five persons—I was appointed by that council to attend a meeting of a committee at the Black Jack, in Portugal-street—it was called the secret committee—I have notes that I made from time to time of the transactions that I witnessed—that meeting at the Black Jack was on Thursday, July 20—when I got there I found Payne, Brewster, Rose, Mullins, Dowling, Allnut, a delegate from Greenwich, and others, amounting altogether to fourteen assembled—I did not then know the name of the delegate from Greenwich; I have since discovered it was Davis—I do not think I have any recollection of the persons' names who attended the meeting, except from this paper—sometimes I made the memorandum two days after the meeting, and at the latter part of the meetings I took care to put it down when I got home on the same night—I always did it within a day or two after—I got there about nine o'clock in the evening—I was asked for my credentials—I attended as a delegate from the Cripplegate locality—I stated that I was one of the council appointed to attend there as a delegate—I produced my credential, which was a leaf torn out of a book which I had received from Mr. Bezer, the secretray of the Cripplegate locality—I gave the half to Payne, who was chairman, and he compared it with a book he had in his hand it corresponded with the leaves in that book, and he said, "That will do"—each delegate was called on to give a report of the feelings of the members of his locality, and the number of fighting men, and now they were disposed for a physical-force movement—each delegate made a return of the kind—I have not a note of the number, but I remember that the number I gave in was eighty or ninety—I do not remember the numbers given in by of the others—some papers and credentials, and leaves of a book in which the names of people were kept who had attended other secret meetings, were burnt at the gas—at that meeting a committee of five was elected as a plotting committee, to draw up five plans of action—those five

plans were to he produced to the general body of delegates at the next meeting, and the best of those five plans was to be selected and acted on—the five persons appointed were Payne, Brewster, Rose. Mullins, and Dowling—the meeting was then adjourned to Denny's Coifee-house, Great St. Andrews-street, Seven-dials, on the following Sunday, the 23rd—I got there about ten, and found Mullins, Rose, Dowlining and Breuster there—Payne went with me—we remained there about an hour before the general meeting of delegates took place—Mullins had a pocket-book and a map of London lying on the table, and there were other plans—each of them had pipers in their hands, and were busy in conversation—I did not see the papers that the others had, except one plan—I had a perfect view of it—that was a plan of the Seven Dials—I saw Dowling take the plan into his hands, and he said he thought he could not undertake the management of the Seven Dials—he then returned the plan to Mullins, who put it into his pocket-book, and put the pocket-book into his pocket—I do not recollect that anything was said about the other plans or papers which the other members had—it was not said at ill what the other plans were—I do not recollect it—Payne took the chair at this committee—I recollect him saying, "Gentlemen, our object is to destroy the power of the Queen, and, if possible, to establish a republic"—there was a general concurrence in that observation—there was some conversation about assassinating the police—Rose said, "We must first assassinate the police, burn down the station-houses, and build barricades"—there was some conversation about pouring vitriol into the policemen's faces—I cannot say who made use of that observation, but I think it was with Rose and Brewster—those suggestions seemed to be generally concurred in—I saw one plan distinctly, this is it (produced, marked "A")—it is the one produced by Mullins, and shown to Dowling, and put by Mullins into his pocket again—a resolution was passed to admit the general body of delegates, after which they were admitted into the same room—five came in, and there were then ten present, including myself—I know Allnut—he was there, and came from Hopkinson's locality, which is Saffron-hill—when the other people were admitted, Mullins remarked that the plans were not sufficiently mtured for their inspection—a report was then given in by the new delegates who then attended of the number of fightingmen, and the feelings of the members of their locality—they were similar reports to those which had been before made—arrangements were then made to meet at Cartwright's the same evening—I went, and found Payne, Mullins, Rose, and Brewster there—they all went into a small back room, on the landing of a staircase that goes down into the back kitchen—they did not admit me with them—I waited until they came out again—they were in there about an hour—the next meeting I attended was at Hopkinson's Coffee-house, Saffron-hill, on Wednesday, July 26th—that meeting was in consequence of arrangements made on the Sunday—Dowling, Rose, Mullins, myself, Davis, Ferdinando, Allnut, Flanagan, and others, in all eighteen, were present—it was Ferdinando's first appearace—he stated he was a delegate from the Green Gate, Hackney-road—the fresh delegates gave in their credentials—I think they were not of the same kind as I had given, but written credentials—reports were received of the number of fighting-men from their localities, and how far they were disposed for a physical force movement; the same kind of reports as before—a resolution was then passed that Rose should wait on the Northern Star Newspaper Office, and put in an advertisement, calling on all the localities of Chartists and Irish Confederates to send one or two delegates to attend a meeting on the next Tuesday, at the Dispatch Coffee-house, Bride-lane, Fleet-street—

that was adopted—delegates from the Irish Confederates attended the Chartist meetings—it was announced by one or two that evening, that they were from the Irish Confederates—Dowling was one of them—I have not got the names of the others—a resolution was then passed that 10s. should be brought hy every delegate—I have no note of it, I speak from memory—the meeting adjourned to the following Friday, July 25th, at the same place—fourteen persons attended—Ferdinando, Page of Tothill-street, Westminster; Brewster, Rose, Mullins, Payne, myself, and Hopkinson and Fay, Irish Confederates, Flannagan and Home—I believe it was on this occasion that a resolution was passed that 10s. should be brought by every delegate, to pay to the committee for their purposes—a report was given in by the new delegates of the feelings of the members of their localities, and of the number of fighting-men that could be depended on—some new delegates joined at that time—we adjourned, to meet at Cartwright's on July 30th—I attended there—there were twenty-eight persons present, the prisoner, Payne, Rose, Dowling, Fay, Bassett, and others—Bassett was a new delegate, and also a person named Stevenson—reports were given in from the new delegates, as before, and the committee of five, the plotting committee, resigned, in consequence of a charge being brought against Rose and Mullins that they were spies, and Mullins stated that they thought the committee had better consist of nine; they thought they would be better able to carry out the objects of the committee, and each member was to draw up his plan of operation—nothing was said on that occasion as to what sort of men were to be added to the committee—Payne, Rose, Mullins, Bassett, and Dowling were then elected on the committee, and the other four were to be elected at the next meeting—Rose and Mullins were re-elected, notwithstanding the suggestion that they were spies—the general body of delegates were to elect the—other four—on the evening that the five were elected the committee was called the ulterior committee—a resolution was passed that they should meet, if necessary, on the following Monday, at Cartwright's; but there was no meeting, to my knowledge—the next meeting I attended was on Tuesday, Aug. 1st, at the Dispatch coffee-house—there were thirty-four delegates present—the prisoner, Rose, Brewster, Dowling, Bezer, myself, Fay, Thompson, and Donovan—it was Bezer's first appearance—that is the same man I have spoken of as having given me my credentials—Lynch was there, and I have put down Fussey, or Fusson, Warry, and Allnui—returns were made on this occasion similar to the former ones—Bezer returned the number of fifty from our locality—I knew a club or society at that time called the Irish Felon-club; it was held at Cartwright's; Fay was secretary—I do not remember that there was a Star Club—there might have been a club called the Davis Club at Cartwright's; I have heard it spoken of, and the Star Club, too, and the Emmett Brigade, the Wat Tyler, and the Tom Paine localities; I have heard them spoken of at various times—delegates from those societies attended our meetings—at this meeting some conversation took place about a feeling of jealousy prevailing on the part of the Irish Confederates, and some of them said they thought it was not fair that the committee should be composed of Englishmen alone—after a discussion, Fay, Thompson, Donovan, and Lynch, were appointed—they were all four Irish Confederates; they were added to the five to form the ulterior committee—there was then a discussion about sending a delegate to Limerick, or' Cork, and some of them made some objections to it, and said it would be a waste of time and money; it was impossible to send a delegate there to obtain any news, on account of the disturbed state of the country, and the authorities had set such a strict watch,

so that no person could come away with any information—the proposition was abandoned—a proposal was made by Douling that there should be a demonstration by the Chartists and Confederates on Primrose-hill at two o'clock on the following Sunday, 6th Aug.—that was lost by a majority of five—instead of that it was resolved that the delegates should return to their localities, and ascuitain how their members were for regulanty of conduct and preparation for the coming event, and they were to ascertain if they were ready to be called out at an hour's notice—money was paid in in pursuarnce of the previous resolution—I paid 7s. 6d. in—Mullins said he had seen Mr. kydd that day, and he had said if the people came out for physical force he would not be backward in heading them—Mullins said that Kydd said he had entered the executive only as a moral force man, and on that ground had taken office—that statement was received by the meeting with satisfaction and surprise—I knew Kydd as a member of the executive that sat in John-street, Fitzroy-square—we then adjourned to Friday, the 4tb, at Cartwright's—I attended; there were thirty-two present, Payne, Rose, Brewster, Gurney, Mullins, Donovan, Lynch, Dowling, and others—there had been a meeting of the committee an hour before that, at which the prisoner was, present, and Rose, and Bassett—it was said at that committee that Kydd had received a circular from Manchester, requesting to know how far the committee of delegates were disposed to send a delegate to Manchester, and that they had also received similar circulars at the Northern Star-office—the committee determined to send a person, and Lacey's name was mentioned—Bassett was proposed to wait on Lacey, for the purpose of his going to Manchester—I saw Mullins give Bassett the money into his hand for that purpose—there was some conversation about the scarfs that should be worn, as signs of officership, by the committee; and it was decided that it should be a red calico sash—the thirty-two delegates were then admitted, and reports were then given from the new delegates the same as before, and monies paid in by different delegates—a resolution was passed that the whole of the delegates should submit to the determination of the ulterior committee—there was some conversation about an advertisement put into the Northern Star by a person named Dwaine, calling a meeting at Kennington-common; that was objected to by the Chartist body in general; it was considered that that meeting was not called by a real Chartist, and a resolution was come to that the delegates should call on their respective localities, and request the members to meet at their localities on that afternoon, and they were to wait until the return of the delegates from the meeting at the Dispatch coffee-house, and they were to take care to secure their members from attending at Kennington-common—the delegates were to be at the Dispatch coffee-house—a resolution was passed that each delegate should select four men as telegraphs, to be stationed from Bride-lane to kennington-common on the following Sunday—they were to be stationed at intervals, to keep up a communication between Kennington-common and the Dispatch coffee-house, in case of any conflict between the police and the people—I attended the meeting at the Dispatch coffee-house on the Sunday—I have made no memorandum of the number present, but I believe it was about twenty-four or twenty-five—I was appointed to station the men as telegraphs—I was occupied nearly all the afternoon in arranging them; we could not get them to work—when I returned the business in discussion was just on the close—Page of Tothill-street, Mullins, Rose, Brewster, and others, were there—Page was speaking about giving Mr. Bond Hughes, the Government reporter, a good thrashing for what he had reported—it was arranged to meet on Monday night, 7th Aug., at Denny's coffee-house, Seven

Dials—I attended; there were about thirty present—all the members of the ulterior committee were there—Cuffey was present, and Ritchie—there was some conversation about the reports in the newspapers of Smith O'Brien's arrest in Ireland, and a feeling of jealousy on the part of five of the ulterior committee in not having seen the plans of the other four—Mullins explained that he had some doubts and want of confidence in the other four; he had not seen their plans; and some others expressed a similar opinion—there was then a resignation of the ulterior committee—they then proceeded to elect another committee, and five only were appointed, Rose, Mullins, Brewster, Payne, and Bassett—there was a vote taken to furnish a salary of three farthings a head, by every member of the localities, to pay a president—one or two asked who this president was—a proposition was made by a delegate that there should be a president, and that one of the five of the committee that had received the lowest number of votes was to retire, and the president take his place—a question was asked who he was, and it was answered he was neither in London nor out of London; he was a sort of visionary president—on future occasions there were many questions asked who he was, and what was his name—it was conceived by some of the delegates as well as myself that he was to be a visionary president, we could not find out whether he was a person or who he was—we could get no information about him—a letter was read by Mr. Payne at that meeting, and the words used in it were "Trade is very good, and you will soon receive a good order"—he stated that it was from Lacey, at Manchester; that was received by the meeting with some degree of satisfaction, because that was the first we had heard of Lacey since he had been sent—a resolution was passed that they should meet on Wednesday, 9th Aug., at the Lord Denman beer-shop, in Suffolk-street, Blackfriars-read—I attended—there were twenty-eight persons there—Mullins was there, Rose, Donovan, and others—reports were given in from the new delegates of the feelings of the members of their localities—Payne was in the chair—Mullins was vice-chairman, at least he acted as such—he was chief spokesman on that occasion, and generally acted as vice-chairman—I think he sat at the head of the table, facing the chairman—Mullins was on all occasions chief spokesman—at this meeting Mullins called on the different delegates there to declare their allegiance to the determination of the committee to risk all for the good of the people; and all with the exception of one delegate gave in their adherence to the committee, that they were determined to risk all for the cause, for the good of the people—another letter from Lacey was read by Payne—he had the letter in his hand, and read it—I cannot remember what it was about—a question was asked how long Lacey was to remain in the country; and it was answered that he would continue there as long as necessary—I believe it bad been asked whether they had heard from Lacey; and Payne said he had received a letter from him; and he read it—a man named Gurney was there—he Has a wardsman of the Cripplegate locality—he was formerly in the artillery—he gave in his return of fighting-men as 100—a wardsman or warden has 100 men under him, and there were class-leaders over every ten men—I am not certain whether it was nine men and himself, or ten men and himself, or whether the warden was over 100 besides himself, or with himself—we adjourned, to meet at Perry's coffee-house on Friday, 11th Aug., in Church-street, Shoreditch—I went there at eight o'clock, the time appointed—I found no meeting—I was informed by a person there that there was no meeting—a was a person I well knew, but not his name—he was not a person stationed there—he appealed to me to be occupied by packing up some chairs—he had been stationed with me as one of the telegraphs on a former occasion

—he told me that there was no meeting; that it was all up—the police had been to Hose's house, and seized all his papers—on hearing that, I returned home—the next meeting I attended was at the Orange Tree, Red Lion-square, on Monday night, 14th Aug.—there were about twenty-five persons there, there might be one or two more—Payne was in the chair—Mullins was there, Cuffey, Brewster, Gurney, Fay, Ritchie, and others—reports were given in by the new delegates as before—a return was given in of the number of ball-cartridges that each delegate in his locality had prepared, or that he knew of—it was Mullins that asked us to give in that return—I do not remember the number—the number of fighting-men were given in, and put down by Payne—Mullins looked over the list, and stated the number as 5000—some one asked the number of Confederates, and they said about the same number—nothing was said about the number of other persons—Mullins proposed that each delegate should select four or six men from each locality for a particular purpose—some delegate asked what they were for; and Cuffey, who sat on the left of Payne, said that it was to set fire to houses, railway premises, trains, or anything—Mullins said, "If I look up at the gas, you will know what I mean"—Mullins asked every one the number of men they could find—he asked me—I said I could find two—each gave a number, but I forget it—it was proposed that as there Was come dispute between the North Western Railway engineers and the Company, that a deputation of two should wait on the engineers to ascertain their views, and how far they were disposed to come over and assist the Chartists in the movement—Ritchie and Scurry were named as delegates, and left for that purpose, and 1s. 6d. was given them to get refreshment—I am not sure whether that was Scurry's first night there, but I believe not—he was a delegate—a resolution was passed to meet at the Lord Den man on the following Tuesday—I went to that meeting—the prisoner was there—Payne, Brewster, Cuffey, Ritchie, Fay, Gurney, Lacey, and others, about forty altogether—I remember Lacsy, in the course of conversation, telling some of us, in a corner of the room, that the men of Birmingham and Manchester, and I think he said Liverpool, were up, or would be up and doing that night—he said that the police had been watching him all day, and that on his coming out of the street door, a boy came up to him and told him that the police were watching him, and that he had been watched for about two hours, and gave the police the double, and reached that place in safety—there was a distribution of tri-coloured wristbands by Brewster, to be worn on the left wrist, that the members of their locality might distinguish their leaders—I think Mullins distributed some, but I am not positive—he was present at the time of the distribution—some of the ulterior committee came in, and as the room up stairs was occupied by a singing party, there was a question raised where they could have a room convenient for the ulterior committee to consult and come to their resolutions—Lacey said, "There is a friend of mine, a coffee-house keeper, in the neighbourhood, I think we can get a room there, and I will go and see if we can have it"—he left, came back in about ten minutes, and said they could have a room, and then he left with the ulterior committee—Mullins was one of those who accompanied him, and Cuffey also—they were gone about three-quarters of an hour—they then all came back but Lacey—Cuffey was at that time acting as secretary to the committee, and on their return he said, addressing Mullins, "Now, Mr. Chairman, you had better give the instructions"—Mullins then took up his position at the head of the table, stood up, and addressed all present, "Gentlemen, as the Committee have retired, and come to certain resolutions and decisions, they

have requested me to give you the following instructions; and as our friend Mr. Laeey has informed us, and we have no reason to doubt the correctness of his statement, that the men of Birmingham and Manchester are up and doing, or will be up am) doing to-night, to-morrow night you must come out to fight and strike the blow; it is necessary you should speak out honestly and boldly, for there must be no flinching in the matter"—Cuffey then said, "Mr. Chairman, you had better put the question round the room, and let them answer yes or no; my time is short, my men are waiting; I take the western division"—Mullins then asked the delegate sitting next to me whether he would come out to fight—he said, "Yes"—he then appealed to me, and I said, "Yes"—he appealed to all rour, 'd till he came to Ferdinando, who rose up and made a sort of speech, and gave an explanation why he would not, and said he would not, and also another one who sat next to Allnut—with those two exceptions they all said yes—after that had been gone through, Mullins said every delegate must assemble the members of his locality at their localities at eight o'clock to-morrow night, and they were to come armed—a question was abked, how were they to come with their poles and pikes? and Mullins said, "I can only say they must get them there the best way they can"—he said, "We shall take up four positions; Mr. Brewster will take Clerkenu ell-green, Mr. Payne will take the Tower-haralets, and myself and Mr. Bassett will take the Broadway, Westminster, and Seven-dials"—I am not certain which of the two was to take either—Mullins said the delegates were to come armed, and every delegate was to be with his members at their respective positions, at twenty minutes past nine to a second—he also proposed that Ritchie should be the man appointed to superintend and direct the men for firing; and it was put and carried that he should he the person—Ritchie was present—he did not object to it—I do not think he said anything—it was proposed that they should meet at the Orange Tree, at five—that was carried—a question was put, how were these men to know Ritchie? and some delegate proposed the words "Frost" and "Mitchell" as a pass-word—it was afterwards proposed that the word "Justice" should be the pass-word; and that was carried—that pass-word was to be used by every man when he went into the room and opened the door, and Ritchie was to ask "Who do you want? What do you want?" and they were to make use of the word "Justice," and by that word Ritchie would know them—Mullins then asked every delegate round the room how many fire-men he had selected—I think the person next to me gave in his number—he appealed to me, and 1 said two—I had spoken to one—he then went round the room, and Payne put down the number on a piece of paper—forty-six was the number—almost the last words Mullins said were, "May God's bitterest curse hang on the soul of that man who shall betray any one of us"—the ribbands that were distributed were exactly like this (produced)—I was at a meeting next day, Wednesday, 16th Aug., at the Crispin, in Milton-street—it was arranged on the Tuesday evening, at the Lord Denman, that the different districts should meet their respective leaders; the City district, the Finsbury and Cripplegate locality, and some other districts, were all included in one, and were all to meet Brewster at the Crispin at twelve in the day, to receive further instructions: that was what was called the Clerkenwell district—I got there about a quarter to one, and found eight or ten there—Brewster was there, and Fay and Gurney—Brewster said that he meant to attack the Artillery-ground, and if possible to take it—he said that they would have to fight b—y hard; and he also said that Ritchie said he would shoot the first man that flinched from his duty—he said we should know by four o'clock

whether the Government had any intimation of what was going on—there was a man there with Brewster who I had seen before; he was packing up the chairs, and said there was to be no meeting—Brewster pointed to him, and said, "That man will come to you and bring you instructions; he is to be your attendant on Clerkenwell-green; you need not be alarmed at not seeing the signals for half an hour or so; they are to be bonfires."

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. Have you used the word "bonfires" before? A. I do not remember—I believe I am thirty-four or thirty-five years old—I went by the name of Johnson in the Chartist body from the time I entered, which was shortly after April 10th—I do not remember whether I had any communication with the police before I entered—I may have and forgotten it—it was about the time I joined—I entered, to ascertain what was going on, and to communicate it—I communicated with the police from the beginning—I do not think I did before I entered—the only other name I have been called is Robinson, and I said, "Call me what name you like"—it was indifferent to me—I may have said, "My name is not Robinson, it is Johnson"—before 1 joined, I was working for Mr. Smith, my brother-in-law—the week before, I worked for a gentleman who wanted me to complete a roof—I have worked for Mr. Smith ten or eleven years, except when I had a job occasionally—I have attended a race-course—I was an apprentice, my master asked me if I should like to go to the races, and said it would be a holiday for me—I went by his inducement—I went into a gambling-booth—I was there three or four days—I went out of the booth several times to see the races—I was paid 30s. for it—I played, but it was only pretence—I was never at a race before, and was quite ignorant of the nature of it—I was getting 14s. a week from my master, to the best of my memory—it was rather a good job, for I was not out of my time—I acted as a decoy—my master's brother accompanied me, and invited me to go—I was not quite twenty-one years old—that is the only time I haveattended a race-course in any capacity—there is a game called thimble-rig—I have never played at it—the game at the booth was a round ball with coloum on it—I was in ignorance of it—it was a ball put into a sort of box—I pretended to bet—half-crowns were given to me, and I was nodded to now and then to put the half-crowns on the colours—I knew that I was not betting in reality—I never had anything to do with thimble-rig tables—I do not consider that I have been a sporting character—I never speculated one penny about anything—I have gone by the name of the Welsh Novice—it was done more to see the country—it was about eight years ago, at Wimbledon—I walked against a pedestrian, to draw custom to the house—I believe I got some refreshment for it from the landlord—I have also walked in the same way at Woodend, near Croydon—it was partly to bring business to the house, and partly to amuse some cadets there—bets were not laid—it was to try my capabilities—I have also done so at Hounslow—I have not walked a match since that—I have been to New York, because I was ill, but there was some difference between my wife's uncle and me—I left her behind me—she had one child—I was to receive something from my father, and she was to receive it while I was away—I was absent better than three months, and returned—my father never charged me with forgery—I never was guilty of it—I took my own money out of the Bank before I went—to the best of my remembrance it was about 125l.—my father presented me with it—he bad heart of a bargain, three or four houses in the city, and was about to leave that money which he had saved to buy them, on my coming out of my apprenticeship—but instead of my having the bargain, my brother-in-law purchased the houses, and my father put the money he had into the East Anglian Mine, and allowed

me to have it in my own name—it was not in his name as well—I did not mention to my wife that I was going to America, or to my father—I did to one or two private friends—I had a family on my hands, and was mentally and bodily ill—it preyed on my spirits—I know Henry Watson—I do not remember meeting him on my return from America—I do not think it likely that I asked him if he knew what bad taken me there; it was a private matter—I do not believe he said he heard I had gone in consequence of a forgery on my father—I do not think I said that was the reason, and I wished it had been for doable the sum—I should think it a waste of time to enter into conversation with a person of that description—he robbed my brother-in-law of a whitewash brush a little time ago—I was in connection with the police seven years ago—I have come forward as a witness before, on public grounds, as I have on this occasion—some of the swell mob, from Seven-dials, picked a gentleman's pocket of a purse, in St. Paul's-churchyard, I watched their movements, and had them apprehended; and at the same time there were three other parties, for stealing an umbrella from a pawnbroker's shop in Coleman-street—I watched them, and had them taken—I have never been with the police to watch persons passing bad money—I do not believe I met Watson near Hoxton, and told him I wanted him, as some one had been passing bad coin, nor when he declined, say, "Oh! you will get 3s. 6d. a day for your time if you do "—I do not remember what I got for my time as a witness, it is so long back—I do not know whether this is my ribbon—I gave mine to a gentleman I was in communication with—I know Alfred Carr; he was one of my shop-mates, but was discharged by my brother-in-law—I recollect his carrying me to a Chartist meeting at Temple Bar—I never said if I had a chance I would rip the police's b----y guts out with a chisel—I did not show Carr how I would do it—I had no tool of the kind at all—I was not a Chartist at all—my mind was differently occupied—that was some years back—I did not in Carr's presence have a quarrel with my father because he refused to give me some money—my father struck me, I pushed him back to preserve myself, and my brother-in-law came and separated us—Carr came here and assailed my character, and he is a most infamous character, he was discharged by my brother-in-law; my sister's life was in danger through him—I did not in Carr's presence exclaim to my father, "You old b----r, I will murder you," and rush at him, strike him with my fist, and knock him on the bench—Can did not catch hold of me, and drag me away—I made some observations to him, and he went to bis bench to work—I know Thomas Osborne—I never talked to him or any one about a Chartist rising—I pointed out to him a man who would make him a pike; I do not believe I urged him to join the Chartists—there was a meeting at Birdcage-walk on a Sunday morning, and a man named Smith, who frequented Cartwright's locality, was there, who made pikes—I told Osborne he did so; another man, named Hook, had paid him 18d. for a pike, and had not received it; and the conversation sprung up so—I know Richard Pennell—I have not said in his presence that I would swear anything if I was paid for it, or that when I was a witness here I was afraid they would get hold about the thimble-rigging, and I would not go as a witness again, for I only got 3s. 6d. a day from the police, and that was not enough, for I could get more money from the thieves—I did not show him three or four half-crowns, and say, "This is what I made out of them last night"—I never asked him to meet me at Cartwright's, or say that delegates would be chosen in about a fortnight to agitate the country, and he could propose me as one, and I could get 2l. or 3l. a week, which would be better than starving at Smith's—I would not

enter into conversation with him, or with any of the men in the shop, because they are such bad characters; I considered they would talk any nonsense by way of wasting time—he did not say the Chartists would never get the Charter by force—I did not reply, "The Government is a weak and b----Government, and we will send Lord John Russell and Sir George Grey to the devil in about a month"—I did not urge him again to join the Chartist movement; I did not say, "Look at the Queen, with her hundreds of thousands a year, spending in waste and idleness, while we are obliged to work from morning to night to get a mouthful of bread"—I never swore I would blow the Queen, the b—y foreigner, and his b—y family to hell; such words never were uttered from my lips—I never asked Pennell to call at any house on Sunday morning, and I would show him materials sufficient to blow London to hell in halt' an hour; I never used the words—I did not threaten him if he did not join with us when the Chartists turned out I would point out where lie lived, and he should have a ball put through him—he was one of my shopmates about eighteen months ago—I was never called Lying Tom to my face, by my shopmates; I should have resented it as an insult—I know James Bennett; I may have attended a public meeting with him in Holborn, and walked home towards Hoxton—I do not recollect asking him whethe he intended to go to Kennington-cornmon on 10th April—I do not think I asked him whether he intended to go armed, but my memory is so deficient—I do not think, when he said, "Certainly not," that I replied, "You area b—y fool if you do not, as I shall go armed;" that sort of language is not likely to proceed from me at all—I may have said something about grenades—I do not remember saying I had been making hand-grenades, on the Monday previously, that would go half through an inch board—I do not remember saying they were easily made; a blacking-bottle was as good as anything, half filled with powder, mixed up with stout nails, and a fusee put into it; and by lighting it, and throwing it among the police, it would break the b—rs' legs, or anything about a blacking-bottle—I would state it at once if I knew it; I do not think I used such words—I do not think I had been making grenades; if said so it must have been a lie—I do not believe I said to Bennett that I had ten men, and with four or five more I could easily take the Artillery-ground, as I had prepared a plan, and my men knew how to spike the artillery—I cannot swear I did not; I should rather think I did not—I know there is such a thing as perjury—I do not recollect Bennett feeling my pockets before I went to Kennington-common to see if I was armed; I cannot swear he did not—I know John Westmoreland I do not remember meeting him at Cartwright's between April and Aug., and talking to him about a project of organization—I do not think I met him at Cartwright's, and said I had a project of organization which I thought would be most desirable for taking London, and carrying out my plan—my memory is not sufficient to enable me to swear—I have no recollection of showing him this rough sketch of a plan (produced)—I swear it is not my drawing—I do not remember meeting George Thurston on the Monday before the 16th Aug.—I do not think I said to him, "I shall want you on Wednesday; you must bring something with you;" or his saying, "I do not understand you"—I swear I did not offer him a pair of pistols for sale; I do not recollect a person of the name—I had not a pair of pistols, and could not offer them—I did not ask him 6s. for them, and offer to give him half a pound of powder into the bargain—I had not a single pistol—I do not know Henry Green—I do not know whether 1 attended a meeting at Birdcage-walk about the middle or end of April; I was there at one or two meetings—I do not recollect going among the people

at the meeting, and asking whether they had got arras—I do not think I asked Green whether he had any arms, nor did he say he did not know the use of arms; nor did I reply, "You are not worth a d—n, as a Chartist, if you have not got arms," I do not believe such words were uttered by me—I cannot swear they were not—I do not believe that after saying that, I went among the crowd, and put the same question to several others; I will not swear it—I do not remember meeting a man outside Cartwright's on Wednesday evening, 16th Aug., inquiring what was the matter, and my saying", "Do not take any notice of me I think it a botched job of these milk-and-water b—rs;" I do not think such words passed my mouth—I do not remember his asking the meaning, and my saying "We expect to have a turn-out to-night"—I remember walking with a man that night, who I spoke to on the subject of firing—I had a pistol with me, and a sword in my side pocket—I was not in the habit of carrying a sword—I did occasionally—I could not tell what parties I might meet with in the public streets of an evening—I carried it to protect myself—I was not in the habit of carrying a pistol—I do not believe I had a pistol or sword as early as 10th April—I cannot swear I had not—I had sixty-eight ball cartridges on me, which I made up for Gurney—I cast the balls, and he made the cartridge-papers—I cannot say how many I made—it may have been ten or twelve dozen—I received 3s. in the presence of Mr. Fowler, one of the council, for getting powder—I had a tin box of percussion caps which I pulled out, and showed to the man I was with—I never said I had 200 fire balls to throw into people's houses—when I showed him the pistol, I may have opened my coat, shown him a sword, and said, "You see I am well prepared, are you?"—I do not think I asked him for his address—I did not know it—I remember making a spike—I believe this is it—(produced)—Brewster produced two of them at one of our meetings—I asked what they were for—he said to cripple infantry and cavalry—he threw it down, and showed me the action of it—when it is thrown this point sticks upwards—I made one like it, showed it to Mr. Mayne, and showed him the action of it—I cannot say whether I said "This is the thing to spike the horses with"—I made it, to ascertain who the parties were that made such things, as a sort of trap—I did not ascertain that any parties were making such things at Cartwright's—I went to Gurney in his cell at the Police-station, and asked him to come and give evidence for the Police, and if he did, he would have one guinea a week for life, or words to that effect—I had no authority to say so—I did it to get him to come forward, on my own account—he was taken out of one cell and put into another that I might communicate with him—I have received 1l. a week—I did not enter into any arrangement as to what remuneration I was to get—I come forward on my own responsibility—I do not expect to get anything—that is as true as everything else I have said—I have a little property to live on.

THOMAS WILSON . I am landlord of the Black Jack, Portugal-street, Lin-coln's-inn-fields. I know a person named John Rose, a currier—the Curriers' Society, of which he was a member, was held at my bouse every Monday—Rose lived at 9, Clare-court—on Monday, 17th July, Rose came to my house and asked for a room for the Thursday evening following, 20th July—I asked him for what purpose, and he said for a meeting of a Trades Committee—I let him have the room—he came on the Thursday about eight o'clock—he did not bring anybody with him—two other persons came a short time afterwards—in all I think there might have been a dozen came—he said he expected upwards of seventy—I asked why the meeting was to be held so late?

and he told me some of the members had a long way to come, some is far from Greenwich—I saw the persons who came—I knew the members of the Trades Committee that Hose spoke of—not one of them came—Rose said it was for either a meeting of a Trades Committee, or of the Trades Committee, but I understood him to mean of the curriers trade, the members of which I knew—they went up stairs about half-past nine, and they stopped till about eleven.

JAMAM HEATH . My husband keeps the Temperance coffee-shop, Great Suffolk-street. Borough. The Lord Denman is in the same street—I have known Lacey three or four years—I recollect the day my house was searched—I cannot say whether Lacey was there the night before—he was there about that time either the night before, or the night but one before—four cups of coffee, I think it was, were ordered by him on that occasion—I do not know how many persons came in with him—I do not think that they all Went out together—Lacey remained behind, down stairs—I cannot say how long—I saw him sitting in the front room after the others came down.

SAMUEL EVANS (police-inspector). I searched Mrs. Heath's Temperance coffee-house, Great Suffolk-street, on Wednesday evening, Aug. 16th, about half-past nine o'clock.

THOMAS PRONGAR (policeman, A 237). I was appointed with another policeman to watch Lacey, the day before he was taken—he came out of a house in Stratton-ground, and went to the house of a neighbour, named Constable—he left there and went home again—he came out again shortly after, went down Stratton-ground towards Orchard-street, and when hewas about half way between his house and Orchard-street, Constable's boy ran to him, and spoke to him—Constable's boy knew that I was a policeman—I was in plain clothes—when the boy spoke to Lacey he turned round, and looked towards me, and went down Orchard-street into Cooper-street, and New Tothill-street, and I then left the other constable to watch him—that might be a direct way to the Lord Denman.

GEORGE DAVIS . I am a boot-maker, at Straits Mouth, Greenwich. I joined a Chartist Association, called the "Wat Tyler Brigade there, on—24th May, I think it was—it was held at the Druid's Arms in Straits Month—I attended a meeting at the George in the Old Bailey, on 10th July—I did net attend as a delegate, I was merely up in the Old Bailey to hear the trials—it was the day when Ernest Jones was tried—there were about twenty persons in the room—thirteen of them were delegates of a former conspiracy that had been formed on Whit-Monday—Mullins was there, and rose, Payne, Lacey, Brevvster, and a person of the name of Smith of Shouldham-street—Mullins asked if there were any delegates belonging to the Old Committee present, and I being one answered, "Yes"—he said the delegates were to go on one side of the room, and those that were not members of the Delegate Committee were to go on the other; which we did, and sat there and he and Pavne addressed us and said, it was a shame the prisoner should go to prison without a struggle to rescue him—he said the van would go through Cow Cross-street on its way to Coldbath-flelds, and that would be the best place to attack it, and a friend who I understood from a person in the room to be Daley, would lead the Irish to assist them—Mullins wrote credentials out for each of the delegates present to take to his locality to be filled up by the Scretary of the locality, and to be returned at a meeting on the following Thursday'night, the 13th—I was not present at that meeting—I had two credentials to take, one to Deptford, and one to Greenwich"' I delivered them—a person named Morgan was elected for Deptford,

Bremerton for Greenwich—they went and attended a meeting at the Lord Denman—I attended the meeting at the Black Jack on 20th, as a delegate from Greenwich—the prisoner was there, and Payne, Rose, Brewster, Dowling, Powell, and others whose names I forget—I then knew Powell by the name of Johnson—I believe Dowling was a Confederate belonging to the Davis Club—he said he came at the invitation of Mullins—at that meeting a Sub-Committee was formed to draw up a plan of attack on the police and troops—that was said at the time—it consisted of five, Payne, Mullins, Brewster, Rose, and Dowling—I subsequently attended meetings of Chartists in different parts of London—I did not take notes of what took place at them—I made communications to inspector Marks of what had taken place within two hours at the furthest after every meeting, and he wrote down, from my dictation, what I stated to him—some he read over to me, and some not—I signed them all—this is my signature to this paper—(looking at one)—Marks read that over to me before I signed it.

KINGSTON MARKS (police-inspector R). I was from time to time in communication with the witness Davis, at Greenwich—I did not then know anything of Powell—Davis made reports to me of all that occurred at the different Chartist meetings he attended, both at London and Greenwich—he gave me the reports on the evening of the meeting—I took down the purport of what he stated, and framed it as a report—I did not take the very words—I read them over to him, and he signed them—these are the reports (produced)—this is Davis's signature.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRT. Q. You did not take down Davis's words? A. Not exactly the words that fell from his lips, but the purport of what he said—these are a sort of reports which I send to the authorities—I signed my reports so-and-so took place, but I took from him what took place—I made a report to the authorities on what he said—it is in the nature of an ordinary Police report which I, as an inspector, make—I did not condense it—I gave the exact purport of what he stated—I gave the words as never as possible, with the exception that I began "I beg to report"—to the best of my knowledge I read the whole of them to him, but he sat close by me while I was taking it—he bad an opportunity of seeing what I wrote—I think he read them over as well, because he sat by my side, and could see what I wrote—he read many of them—I do not know which.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. Did you read to him correctly what you bad written? A. I did.

GEORGE DAVIS re-examined. Mr. Marks read some to me, and I read some myself—I cannot tell what I read myself—I read some myself, because Mr. Marks was busy very often, and he put them into my hand, and at other times he would read them—when he read them over to me I sat by him—I very often saw what he wrote—I did not see all, because I did not look over—I sometimes looked over his writing—I signed them all. (MR. PARRY objected to the witness being allowed to refresh his memory from these papers, as they were not written by the witness himself. The COURT was of opinion that the accuracy of the papers being ascertained, and being adopted by the witness at the time they were made, he might as properly refresh his memory by them as if he had written then himself.)—I was at a meeting held at Denny's coffee-house, Great St. Andrew-street, Seven Dials, on Sunday, 23rd July—this (looking at one) is the report I made to Mr. Marks of that meeting—by it I see that Mullins, Brewster, Allnut, Rose, Dowling, two from Cartwright's, whose names I do not know, Johnson, Gurncy, and others, were there—it

was proposed by Rose, and seconded by Brewster, that each delegate should return to his locality, and ask the members for 10s. by the next meting night, to provide ammunition with—Dowling, the secretary of The Davis club stated that all the funds in hand had been expended in the purchase of powder, which had been distributed to the class-leaders, and by them distributed to all those that could not afford to pay for it—the meeting was then adjourned to the following Wednesday, the 26th, at Hopkinson's coffee-house Saffron-hill—this is the report I gave of the meeting—Mullins, Rose Payne, Dowling Stephens, Smith, Pedley, Ferdinando, Allnut, Johnson and others Were there—it was resolved at that meeting that they were to form themselves into a delegate committee, and hold a delegate meeting at cartwright's coffee-house—16s. 8d. was handed by the delegates present, a map of London; and a plan merely scribbled out in the form of a map, but I do not know of what place, were produced-Mullins stated that he proposed barricades, should be erected from the end of Tottenham-court-road to Seven Dials, to barricade the whole of the Seven Dials along Holborn to Gray's-inn-lane, to a brewhouse at the corner of Liquorpond-street, which they were to make themselves masters of; from thence to Clerkenwell-green and the Sessions-house; from there to Aldersgate-street and St. Martin's-le-grand to St. Paul's and take Possession of it, if possible, and if not to burn it; from there to Doctors Commons, along the back streets to the Temple, pulling down Temple-bar, and erecting a barricade thereon; from there to Somerset house and Charmg-cross, across Covent-garden to Seven Dials again—Ferdinando opposed the motion, saying that it was not sanctioned by the executive—Mullins stated that the executive were makin—a good thing by the agitation; they were receiving 2l. a weekend were sure to disagree with all those that wished to bring it to a termination; and he proposed that the mob should divide into four parts, one for the firing of public buildings and warehouses, to cause confusion, one to erect barricades, and to place the stones diamond fashion, one to attack gunsmiths' shops and Police-stations, and to assassinate the police; and it was decided that a private meeting should be held at the same house on Friday mornin", the 28th—I was present at Carttiright's on the meeting of the 30th—Payne was chairman—Mullins, Rose, Brewster, a special constable in the Ea'st India Dock Company's employ, Dow ling, Lindsay, Nowlan, Bassett, Nash, Kirby, Donovan, and dayman were there—each delegate was called on to describe the fleelings of his locality—Bassett stated that the men of the Wallace brigade of Chartists at Westminster were impatient for the fray, and he wished to tell the committee they need be at no trouble in making any plans for attacking the prison where their friends Ernest Jones and others were confined in Tothill-fields, for the respectable inhabitants of Duck-lane and Pye-street-had friends of their own in the prison, and they were as ready to get them out as the Chartists were to get Ernest Jones and their colleagues, the confederate delegates—a meeting was appointed to be held at the Dispatch coffee-house, but I cannot recollect on what day—(looking at the paper) I see it was on Tuesday night.

MR. PARRY. Q, Do you remember that because you see it written there? A. I remember the meeting taking place, but I do not remember the date—I remember that on account of its being written here—this paper refreshes my memory.

MR. WELSBY. Q. Were you at the meeting at the Dispatch coffee-house? A. Yes; I made a report of the meeting, this is it—it is what was

either read over to me by the Inspector, as what I stated had passed, or what I read myself, I cannot tell which—Payne, Rose, Mullins, Brewster, Fay, Lynch, Hayrnan, Bezer, and Johnson were there, and I think Allnut, Dowling, and Fuzzon—an account was given in of the number of men of the different localities, and a calculation was made of the number of fighting men—I think they amounted to somewhere about 200—they asked for more funds, if any one had brought any funds from their locality, and some of them said they wanted to know the use they were to be put to—on that one or two made a remark, and said they were to go back and tell them that they were to be expended in providing ammunition and carrying on the outbreak—I do not recollect who it was that said it—Mullins was vice-chairman, Payne chairman, and Rose, secretary—a proposition was made by Dowling or Fay about sending a person to Ireland to get correct information how affairs stood in that country, with regard to the intended outbreak'—it was not carried—at that meeting two or four additional persons were elected on the committee, but I rather think it was two—Fay and Lynch were elected—Donovan was there, he was one of the sub-committee, but I cannot be certain whether he was added that night or not—by looking at this paper I recollect that it was four, and not two, that were added—they were Thompson, Fay, Lynch, and Donovan—a motion was made by Dowling that all the localities should meet on Primrose-hill, on the next Sunday morning—it was not carried—I do not recollect the majority by which it was lost; but it was very trifling—I recollect Mullins saying that he had attended on Mr. Kydd, at Chartist-hall, Black-friars-road, for an explanation he had made at the Milton-street Theatre, but I will not be certain whether it was at that meeting, to know whether he would join them or not, and that Kydd said it was no use anything of the sort, and they would get themselves into trouble, but in case they were successful, Samuel Kydd would not be wanting—I do not recollect Mullins stating anything as to what Kydd had stated as to the capacity in which he had joined the executive—I attended a meeting at Cartwright's on Friday, 4th—I recollect the date by seeing the paper—I have no independent recollection, but I have a note here that I received from Rose, of the Wat Tyler brigade, "No. 1," at that meeting—I carried 2s. 6d. from my locality to that meeting, and I saw Rose write this—I never saw him write before—Mullins and the other members of the sub-committee advised all the Chartists to keep away from the meeting that was announced for Kennington-common—they said there was no authority for calling it—it was called by two men at Cart-wright's, who, it was thought, were in the pay of Government—Dwaine was one; I do not know the other's name—a resolution was passed to meet on the next Sunday at the Dispatch coffee-house, Bride-lane, Fleet-street, and to receive messages from Kennington-common—I do not recollect anything being said at that meeting about stationing people to transmit those messages—Cuffey was present at that meeting—a meeting was held at the Dispatch on the Cth, Sunday—I was there—there were about thirty present—Payne, Mullins, Rose, Brewster, Cuffey, Allnut, the two Grands'haws, Hayman, Fay, Johnson, and others—Johnson was sent out as a scout to receive messages from Kennington-common, to see whether any attack was being made there—at a previous meeting, at "which I was not present, so many men from each locality had been appointed to meet at the Dispatch coffee-house, and were to be stationed so many yards apart, or at a convenient distance to receive the messages and communicate what might be sent from the Common—they said it was after the manner of the police—information

was brought from time to time, and notes passed along—we adjourned to Denny's coffee-house, on Monday, 7th, I went—Payne was in the chair—Mullins was present, and acted as vice-chairman—Rose, Brewster, Dowling, Thompson, Donovan, Ritchie, Fay, and Powell or Johnson were threre—Dowling and Thompson stated that on account of the defeat of Smith O'Brien at the widow M'Cormack's in Ireland, they thought it was no use thinking of having any further outbreak in England, and they wished to retire from the committee, in consequence of which all the committee resigned—a resolution—was passed to elect a new committee, and Mullins, Payne, Rose, Brewster, and a person of the name of Warry, I think, were elected—they said they should leave a vacancy for a person that should take the presidency of the sub-committee—nothing was said publicly as to who it was to be—it was understood to be Churchill, who, I was informed, was then in France—I think a letter was then read from Manchester, but I will not be certain—letters were red twice—one was read at that meeting—it purported to be from Lacey—it was read by Mullins—he said that trade was very good in Manchester, and he expected soon to have a large order for them there, to get on with their work as last as they could—the meeting was adjourned to the Lord Denman beer-shop, Suffolk-street, on the 9th—I went there—Payne, the chairman, Mullins, vice-chairman, Rose, Brewster, Dowling, Fay, Donovan, Lynch, the two Grandshaws, Johnson, differ, Pedley, and others, in all, about twenty-five or thirty, were present—returns were made from the localities—I cannot recollect anything else that occurred at that meeting—a meeting was to have taken place on the Friday, at Perry's coffee-house—it did not take place, in consequence of Rose's house having been searched, and his papers taken away—I went to Perry's—I saw Donovan and Pedley, the delegates, there—I was told by some persons there, whose names I do not know, that Rose's papers had been seized, and his house searched, and he himself had run away—I came down with Pedley to Rose's house, and from there to the house Mullins occupied—I attended a meeting on Sunday morning, 13th, at Hopkinson's—I had received a letter from Mullins on the Saturday evening previous, at eight o'clock—a person named Bligh went with me from Greenwich—when I went in, Mullins, Brewster, and Payne, were in the lower room—a locality meeting was going on in the upper room at the time; we went up to that meeting——Mullins, Brewster, and Payne went up before me—a person of the name of Fuzzon, and I think Ritchie and Allnut were up-stairs—Mullins made a motion that the Clerkenwell district should turn out for an outbreak—there was a discussion upon that, and it was carried that they should—a charge was made by a man named Merriman, one of the lecturers, that two person at the head of the Chartist movement were in constant communication with the police—a deputation of three was appointed to wait on Merriman, to ascertain how that was; the meeting was adjourned to three in the afternoon, at Breadon's beer-shop, bhouldham-street, Edgeware-road—I went; there were about thirty delegates present—the prisoner went with me—Ritchie, Cuffey, the two Grandshaws, Hayman, and Warry were there; Johnson was not—at that meeting Cuffey was appointed secretary to the sub-committee, and Mullins was appointed treasurer—a person named Nash brought a letter from Bassett at Westminster, purporting to come from Lacey at Manchester—one statement—in it was that he had—ent word about the order he had given them before, and he wanted it sent down by the last train on the Monday night—it stated that trade was very good at Manchester, and the parts adjacent—I do not recollect that anything was said in the letter about Dr. M'Douall—an account of the general feeling

of the localities, and the number of men was given in—some person stated, I do not recollect whether it was Ritchie, or whether it was the delegate that represented the Irish brigade at. St. Giles, that the Irish brigade was well armed with muskets and cartridges, and ready to turn out at a moment's notice—the meeting adjourned to the 14th, at seven o'clock in the evening, to the Orange Tree, near Red Lion-square—I went there—there were about twenty-five or thirty delegates present—Payne was in the chair—the prisoner, Cuffey, Fay, Brewstcr, Ritchie, Hayman, the two Grandshaw's, and Johnson, and a person named Cruikshank, were there—Mullins made a motion that each of the delegates should return to their locality, and provide four men that were willing to do anything—I recollect some person asking what was required of them, and Mullins said he would not speak plain, but he would point to the gas; they might tell what he meant by that—he pointed with his hand to the gas, and said, "You well know what I mean by that"—the gas was burning in the room—that motion was carried—I recollect a motion that a deputation of two should wait on the North Western Railway engine-drivers, not to commit themselves by stating where they came from, but to sound them and see if they were inclined to join the Chartist body—Ritchie and Cruikshank were selected—the meeting continued till about nine o'clock—they were waiting to receive a message from Lacey, when the reporter of the Northern Star came in, and they dispersed the meeting sooner in consequence of some information that he brought—the meeting adjourned till seven, Tuesday evening, at the Lord Denman beer-shop, Suffolk-street, Blackfriars—I went—there were nearly thirty there, or there might be more—Mullins was in the chair—the sub-committee, Cuffey, Payne, Mullins, Brewster, and Lacey retired, as I understood, to a coffee-shop a few doors higher up, in Great Suffolk-street—they were absent very near an hour—they all came back except Lacey—there were then present at the meeting, Mullins, Brewster, Cuffey, Payne, Fay, Dowling, Ritchie, Gurney, Johnson, Allnut, Ferdinando, Pedley, and Grandshaw—Mullins addressed the meeting, and stated that the sub-committee had come to the determination that the out-. break should take place on the ensuing evening; that he himself should take the Seven-dials district; Brewster would take Clerkenwell; Payne the Tower Hamlets; and Basset: or Cuffey, I will not be certain which, Westminster—Brewster distributed the tri-coloured bands to be worn by the delegates on the left arm during the attack—he gave me two; one I was to take to Bligh, a delegate for Greenwich, who could not attend, and one for myself—the parties were to meet at the different localities next day, one at the Peacock, Westminster-road; another at the Crispin in Milton-street, Cripplegate; one at the Buck's Head, Bethnal-green-road or Hackney-road, I will not be certain which; the fourth was to meet at Breadon's in Shouldham-street—they were to meet at Shouldham-street at twelve; at the Crispin at twelve; at the Buck's—head at eight or nine; and those at the Peacock, I think, at three in the afternoon—the outbreak was to take place at twenty minutes past nine at night—a question was asked Mullins how they were to get to the different places of meeting with their arms—he told them to bring them down the best way they could; to fight their way down with them—two or three motions were made as to where the four men selected by each delegate were to meet on the evening of the 15th; and it-was resolved that they should meet at the Orange Tree, Red Lion-square, from five to seven in the evening—Ritchie was to meet and head them—Mullins called them luminaries—there was a discussion as to whether the pass-word by which Ritchie was to know them should be "Frost" or "Jones," and he decided that it

should be "Justice"—when they came into the room, he was to ask them "Do you want me;" and if they answered, "Justice," he knew it was correct—they were to come with what arms they could get—Ritchie produced some knives about twelve or fourteen inches long, with a spring at the back—he said Mullins had bought them a job lot—I do not remember that he said what was to be done with them—I only saw three—Dowling purchased one for 1s.—this (produced) is such a knife as those Ritchie had—Brewster stated at Shouldham-street, on the Sunday, that he bad got a knife fixed at the end of a stick that would cut the hose of the fire-engines in two, so as to render them useless—I did not see any of these papers from the time I delivered them to Mr. Marks, till I saw them in Court now.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. I believe you were not originally examined before the magistrate? A. No; I came forward suddenly on the last trial, owing to the bad character of Powell—I was described by the Attorney-General as a shop-keeper at Greenwich—I am thirty-four years old—I know nothing of Powell only since he has been in Court here—(The witness, at Mr. Parry's request, read the following passage from the paper, containing his account of the meeting of 30th July.)—"Each delegate was called on to describe the feeling in the locality. Bassett stated the men of the Wallace brigade of Chartists at Westminster, were impatient for the fray, and he wished to tell the Committee they need be under no trouble in making any plan of attacking the prison where their friend Ernest Jones was confined, Tothill-fields, for the men of Westminster would undertake that business themselves: they had good auxiliaries in the men of Duck-lane, and the parts adjacent, for they had forty or fifty of their comrades in that prison, and they would be as equally glad to release them as the Chartists would Ernest Jones"—the expression "auxiliaries" is my own language—I cannot remember whether "the parts adjacent" was the term used by Bassett, but "auxiliaries" was—I swear that the sentence I have read is the language word for word for I delivered it to Marks—I was not a Chartist—I did pretend to be one, to defeat their plans—I did not enter with the intention of serving myself—I had not the slightest idea of doing myself a service—I went there entirely from motives of public good—I thought the Government did not know what was going on, and there would be an outbreak and destruction of life and property, and if I could save it, I was entitled to do so—that was my motive—I have asked people to come up to the meetings, but not to join the Chartists—I have sold arms in the way of my trade—I am a broker and dealer in old boots, and what arms I have sold, I have sold in the way of trade as a broker—I am not a marine store-dealer—I make new boots, and am a translater as well—I have sold two guns and one sword within the list six months—I have tried to sell a pair of pistols, but I did not—here they are (producing them)—I tried to sell them for 16s., and I brought them to prove that I did not sell them—I never offered to sell any more arms than these pistols—I never unged men in the neighbourhood of Greenwich to buy arms of me to join the Chartist movement, and to break out in insurrection against the Government—the Druids' Arms, at Greenwich, is where the meetings were held—I first began to be a Chartist about 24th May—I was the cause of removing the meeting from Deptford to the Druids' Arms—the landlord of the Druids' Arms paid me for it—he left me out money when I wanted it—I had half-a-crown, sometimes five shillings, and sometimes half-a-sovereign of him—I believe that was because I lost my time, and he made me a remuneration for it—I only once got half-a-soverein; generally speaking it was rather less—I do not believe I had altogether more than 30s.—

during the time I was employed by Inspector Marks I was not paid by him—I was paid my expenses for going up to London, but nothing else—sometimes I had half a sovereign to pay me from Greenwich to London and back, and expenses incurred—the fare was 4d.—that half-sovereign lasted me a week very often, until I wanted more—when I asked I got it—I have had money from the Chartists, but I returned their money back to the Victim Fund, which is a fund for the relief of the wives of prisoners—I once got 2s., and once 1s.; that was all—I never attempted to make victims—that is all the money I got from the Chartists, to my recollection, except 5s. 4d., which I had in hand as treasurer—I was treasurer of the locality—I have not been in the habit of playing cards at the Druid's Arms for the last three years; I have played a game of cards there, and bagatelle, frequently; that was to bring custom to the house—I employed men to work for me—I did not play to draw custom; I played to amuse myself—I did not get up the Chartist Association at Greenwich—I knew a man named Paris, a blacksmith, at Greenwich—I did not tell him two or three months before Aug. that I had bought a lot of guns at a sale cheap; I told him I had bought two, which I had with a sword, for 4s. 6d.—I do not remember saying 1 had got them cheap, and would sell them cheap, as I thought guns were wanting—I told him I had got them cheap, and would sell them cheap—I might have added that I thought guns were wanting, but I do not remember—I will not swear I did not; I might—I met Paris on 16th Aug., about one in the day—I think I said to him, "You are the very man I want to see;" I wanted to see him, to tell him to stop at the Druid's Arms—I had sold him a gun—he said to me, "What's up?" and I said, "This is the night the blow is to be struck"—I did not ask him to go up to London with me; that I swear—I told him to stop at the Druid's Arms till I came back* from London—I told him that London was to be set on fire—I did not put my hand to my breast, and say, "I am ready, I am armed"—I was armed with these pistols, but they were not in my breast-pocket—I was in the habit of carrying them about with me loaded and capped; that was for the protection of my own life—I offered to sell them to get a profit on them—I might have offered them for sale fifty times; I might have bought another pair if I had sold them; the party I bought these of had a dozen pairs—these were in my window—I never offered them for sale at a meeting—I know Robinson; he was the first man that got me to join the Chartists.

Q. I thought you said you joined them yourself, for the purpose of protecting life and property? A. So I did, but he was the first man that urged me on to join them—I was protecting life and property before I joined the Chartists, and giving information to Government, from the month of March—I wanted a great deal of urging to join them; I did not want to join them—I did it to protect life and property, and inform against the parties—I am what is called "a spy;" I am not in the least ashamed of it—I remember meeting Robinson early in Aug.—I did not offer him a pair of pistols if he would go up and attend a Chartist meeting to be held on Whit-Monday—I had not a pair in my possession then—I never offered him a pair; I swear that—I never, in his presence, urged people at Greenwich to arm—he has—I did not tell him that I was a witness in a suit at the County-court, at Greenwich: he knew it—I was a witness there in an assault case—I never said to him that if I had known there had been such hard swearing I would have sworn any mortal thing to have got the better of those by wretches, meaning the plaintiffs in the suit—I offered to raffle these pistols nothing else—I know John Ward, a furrier—I asked him on Whit-Monday

whether he was going to a Chartist meeting at Bonner's fields—I did not tell him I should go there armed, nor ask him to go armed—I said I should go, and asked if he was going; not if he would go—I attended that meeting and advised Ward to stop at home for the sake of his wife—I was armed with these pistols—I never offered to Ward to get up a ratile for arms, nor ever told him I could supply him and others with plenty of arms—I did not say if a club were formed, and each party paid a sum per week, I could supply them with plenty of arms through a Mr. Dowson; I never said anything of the sort—I did not ask Ward, on 16th Aug., to go up to London; I did not see him on the 16th—I have often told him that I was going up to London—I have often seen him—I did not tell him I was armed; he knew it—I do not tell him I was going up to London to reconnoitre the town and ascertain the points of attack—I never told him that before the 16th Aug.—f was never in the habit of making cartridges, except for my own pistols—Ward once saw me at my shop, tearing up some old books, or book covers—I told him I was going to make them a present to the landlord of the Druid's Arms for his fowling-piece—I did not tell him I was going to make gunwadding—he went out with me with them in my hand, and saw me go into the Druid's Arms with them.

Q. Did you not, on one occasion, oppose the association being dissolved? A. There was no regularly organized association of Confederates; they merely met to make speeches, and read the papers—I told Ward and Robleson that to dissolve the meeting for the small matter they were going to do it for, looked very cowardly on their part, after they had been the violented men in the meeting—I called them cowards for it—that was the meeting of the Brian Boru-club, a Confederate club—I did not tell the police I had prevented that—the police were in the room at the time—every one in the room knew they were policemen—I never told Robinson that I had been into a room in London that was nearly filled with ball-cartridges, and that parties coming up to London could be supplied with any quantity they wanted—I know Joseph Monday—I do not know an Irishman named Fadey—I know one named Sheedy—I think I tried to sell him a musket—I tried to sell it to anybody—it was at the door—Sheedy works at the gas-house—it was not my business to inquire what he wanted it for—he might want it for any purpose—I tried to sell it for the purpose of getting a profit to keep myself—Monday did not persuade Sheedy not to buy it—I swear that—I did not urge him to buy it, he was standing at the door, asked me the price of it, and I told him 8s.—I did not tell Monday he ought to be ashamed of himself for preventing Sheedy from buying it as he knew that the Chartists were arming in London—I swear nothing of the sort took place—I often met Monday at the Druids' Arms, sometimes at the meetings and sometimes in the parlour—sometimes I had the pistols with me, and sometimes not, probably—Monday is a Chartist—I did not offer to sell him these pistols at the Chartist meetings, at the Druids' Arms—I offered to sell them at my own shop, but never exposed them at a Chartist meeting—I never, to my knowledge, offered to sell him a brace of pistols at a Chartist meeting there about June—I have several times said that I had a pair to sell—I was not constantly in the habit of offering them there, nor guns, or swords, or other arms—Monday did not ask me whether they were good ones to fire, nor did I say, "I should like to have the b----old Duke of Welington before me. to try them;" I swear that—he did not buy them, they were too much money for him, or else he would—I know John Norman, he lived at Greenwich, he volunteered to come up to the Orange-Tree

—I never asked him to do a little secret service work, and join the Chartists—I do not know a baker's apprentice, named Collett, at Lewisham—I know a young man that used to work for a baker, but not his name, he lived opposite me—I asked him to be one in a raffle for a brace of pistols—he promised to become a member, but did not—he did not give me 1s.—there were to be sixteen members—I know Martin, a carpenter's apprentice—I never told Collett that the pistols were not raffled for because there were so many detective police present—I swear that—that was not the cause—there were only one or two members willing to subscribe to the raffle, and I would not wait—I never asked Collett to join the Chartists—I never told him or Martin that I was a Chartist—I never spoke sis words to young Martin—I never told them that I v, as a Chartist, and would wallow knee-deep in blood for my fellow-creatures—I swear that—I did not recommend Martin to read a tale called "The Croppy; or, a Tale of the Irish Rebellion," but he came and bid for it three or four times when I had it—I did not tell him that a Chartist Society was forming, and endeavour to persuade him to enroll himself as a member—I swear that—I never kept company with Boys, and did not enter into conversation with him sufficient to ask anything of the sort—he did not decline, and say he would have nothing to do with me or the Chartists, for he believed they were a set of rascals—I never tried to entrap him, or Collett, or anybody into joining the Chariists—I never offered to supply Martin with arms, and say if he could not pay me at once, he might pay me so much a week; I would not trust my own brother—I did not ask him to raffle for a pair of pistols—I know John Matthews, a bricklayer's labourer, and a petty master as well—I never in his presence urged parties to get and buy arms—I never asked him to call at my shop, nor said I would get him into the police force, as I had influence with the heads of the police—he asked me to write a letter for him, and I promised to do it—I might have asked him to raffle for these pistols—I did not know any sporting gentlemen, to whom to sell them, or any officers—they never came to my shop—I know John Hanks, a broker and dealer in old clothes—I never asked him to go to the Chartist meetings at the Druids' Arms—I never said to him, in my shop, that half-inch chisels would be very serviceable things to run into the bowels of the police—I did not ask him if he would not fight for his country for a fair day's wages for a fair day's work; a man named Bligh did—I did not say to Hanks, pointing to a musket in my shop, "These are the things that will settle your special constables"—I know William Blackmore, a tailor—he was one of the council—I never, in his presence, urged people to join the Chartists, and to arm to obtain the Charter—I never produced my pistols on the table at the Druids' Arms, nor was I censured for bringing them there—I told Blackmore that they were going to get up an insurrection in London, and I was going with them to do so—I was bound to tell the council what transpired—I did not say, if I could get the consent of the Chartist body, I did not care about the funds—they wanted to send 5s. up to the secret meeting, and I opposed it, and they only sent half-a-crown—I know John Stanton, he was formerly a policeman—I never asked him to join the Wat Tyler Brigade—I did not offer to sell him a pike—head for 2s. 6d., neither did I have one nor a handle; nor did 1 say, if they would suit him, I had a brace of pistols, and plenty of powder and ball"—I did not offer to go to London to fetch him a pike; nor tell him that the police were going to arrest all the Chartists, and he had better have a pike—I did not say to him that I had a place to Practice firing in, and I would serve out those b----blue devils—I know Henry John Heath; I lodged wiih him some time ago—I owed him 4s. when

I left, but he knew where I went to, and I left a dressing-case and work-box behind, worth 12s., which he wished to keep, and I let him do so—I never told him that I was in the habit of going to London to purchase arms and furnishing them to the Chartists in the neighbourhood—I know William Dow, a tinker and chair-bottomer—I never urged him to join the Chartists, or to go to the Druids' Arms and be enrolled—I did not show him my pistols in my shop last June, and say I should take them up to London with me, or the meeting at Bonner's-fields, and use them—I did take them, as I always did—I did not ask Dow, or any man, to go up to that meeting with me—I did no task him whether he had a sword, nor say he ought to have fire-arms, and I would supply him with them—I did not ask him if he knew any one that had old muskets, guns, or pistols—I did not ask him to join the Chartists, and persuade him to bring his friends to join also—I did not tell him I would do my best to destroy the present Government, for they were bringing the people to starvation, and he ought to join the Chartists on his own account and on account of his children, nothing of the kind—I know Josiah Pinegar—I did not say to him, at the time Mitchell was sentenced in Ireland, that I would be one to go to London to blow up both Houses of Parliament, with every b—in them, and the b----Queen—I stopped him from coming up to the Orange Tree on the 16th—I never said anything of the kind to him.

Q. Did you first communicate with the police, or did they communicate with you? A. I first communicated with them—I have never before been in connection with the police—I used when a boy, some years back, to run of errands for the officers at Lambeth-street—I expect to get a compensation for what 1 have lost—I have lost the whole of my trade and my property, and I have expended money in it—my shop was not a very handsome one—it suited me for seven years—I do not live there now—I object to say when I live—I am not living with the police—I have been paid 2l. a week—I do not know what Powell is paid—I have read his evidence—I have sold part of my stock at Greenwich; I have got some of it now—some boots were sold for 19s. that cost me near upon 4l.—a person named Wright sold them for me—I sold another part for 12s.—I do not know how much property I have left, it is not 100l. worth, it is above 5l. worth—there are fixtures—I have not cleared out everything from my shop—I still rent my shop, and there are some of mv tools there—I have not made any arrangement as to the actual sum I am to get—I did not do so with Inspector Marks when I first went; I never said a word to him about compensation; I leave it entirely to the generosity of the Government—I expect to get remunerated for my loss, and no doubt I shall.

MR. WILSBY. Q. Who is this Ward that you have been asked abort? A. He was the leader of the Irish Confederates at Greenwich, and used to preside at their meetings—Robinson is a shoemaker—he is a Chartist, and a very violent physical-force man—Bligh was chairman one Sunday evening, and made a very violent speech in allusion to Ireland, and wished they would burn the police-stations; and at the conclusion of his speech he called upon the persons present to subscribe towards the benefit of Looney's family, and stated that the officer of the club, Mr. Ward, would receive the subscriptions—at the same time there had been some arrests at Manchester of the officers of a club, and Ward said, "Why do you call me an officer? they will arrest me;" and Robinson stated the same; and I called them cowards for that.

JOSEPH THOMPSON (police-sergeant, F 11). I searched the premises of a man named Rose on 11th Aug., about eight o'clock in the morning—he lived at 9, Clare-count, Drury-lane, or Clare-market—Rose was with me, and

showed me the place—I found these plans, these receipts for making combustible matters, and these papers with pencil-marks on them—there is a map of the City-road among them, a sketch of Seven Dials, Aldersgate-street, and Gray's-inn-lane, and a blank plan of Clerkenwell; five altogether.

MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL to GEORGE DAVIS. Q. Did you receive this note (produced) from Mullins? A. A similar one—I gave it to Mr. Marks—it came by post—Mullins's name is signed to it.

EDWARD EAGLE . I am a collector to the Chartered Gas Company. I know Mullins—I have seen him write once, and have had letters from him on which I have acted—I believe this plan to be his—this letter is a copy of one of his letters; I mean in the same writing as those letters—I have corresponded with him, and have seen him write his signature—I consider this is his writing.

Cross-examined. Q. You have only seen him write once? A. No; that was three or four months since—I have not compared this paper with any others—I never saw it till five minutes ago—I have received four or five letters from him in different writing—one that I have appears to have been written with a steel-pen, and the other with a quill—I have kept but two of them—there is a slight difference in the two—this is more like one than the other—I have not sufficient knowledge to swear positively—I believe all this dark writing, these corner pieces are his, and this first line and the bottom one—here seems to be a small writing here, but still it seems to be his—the corners are the same writing as the letters—I believe it all to be his, but the words "New Oxford-street"—there seems a difference there, and different ink—I should doubt very much the word "Seven Dials" being his writing—I believe the numbers of the streets to be his.

EDWARD HENRY EAGLE . I am son of the last witness, I know Mullins—I have not seen him write—I have seen letters from him, acted on them, and seen him on the contents—I believe this plan to be his writing.

Cross-examined. Q. Are the letters you have seen, what your father has been speaking of? A. Yes; I have been in the habit of opening them—he has never addressed a letter to me—to the best of my belief the whole of the plan is his writing, but I would not swear to it—(Letter read—"Mr. Davis. Aug. 12, 1848. Dear Sir, I shall feel obliged by you or your partner meeting me at Hopkinson's eoffee-house, Little Saffron-hill, on Sunday, at half-past ten, as I wish to see you Yours, truly, G. B. Mullins.")—(the papers found at Hose's being read, contained various names contracted, with numbers placed against them, among which were the following—"Wall. 80; Bass, and Nas.—Lamb, lo 150 Ped.; Ber. 50; Dean. 250; Cuff. Thom.—Star. 50; Pear.-War—Irish, 50; Rich.—Carts. 50; Fel. 100; Mitch. 30; W. Ty. 20;—Fuzz." &c.

GEORGE WILSON re-examined. I have seen Rose write—I believe this paper to be his writing, but the word "John" is not similar—(read—"Aug. 4th, 1848. Received of the Wat Tyler Brigade, No. 1, 2s. 6d. John Rose, Secretary").

NICHOLAS PEARCE . I am superintendant of the F division of Police. On 16th Aug. I went with a party of police to the Orange Tree public-house, Orange-street, Red Lion-square, and got there about five in the afternoon, or a little after—I went to a room on the first-floor, and found eleven persons sitting round a table conversing—I told them to keep their seats—I had a pistol—my men were armed—some of them followed me in—I requested each constable to take one in custody—one man attempted to leave the room—we secured them all—they were Ritchie, Gurney, Abel, Shepherd,

Snowball, Richardson, Greenslade, Small, Scadding, Burn, and Martin—Ritchie was sitting on a bench when we went in—I found under that bench three balls and sonic old rag in a handkerchief—I have opened them and found some rag tied round with tow very tightly, which was covered with turpentine—some printer's type was in the centre—I searched Ritchie and found these knives in his coat-pocket—his hat and coat smelt very stronglv of turpertine—he was asked his address at the station, which he declined to give, and said he had lately returned from France.

JAMES DOWSETT (policeman, F 136)). I know the house where Ritchie lived on 16th Aug.—it was 2, Cross-court, Russell-court, Drury-lane—I accompanied Sergeant Thompson there after the prisoners were arrested at the Orange Tree—he occupied the underground kitchen—I had seen him there that morning—we found there 170 rounds of ball-cartridge of different sizes, four loose bullets, four bullet-moulds, and in a cupboard by the fire-plase, three combustible-balls wrapped up in brown paper, also a bayonet, a quantity of tow, a bottle with a quantity of gunpowder in it, a quantity of percussion-caps in a paper, a horn of gunpowder, this paper, and some printed books.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you search the room again? A. No; I brought away all I saw—(paper read—"This is to certify that Joseph Ritchie and John Manley have been duly elected as delegates for this locality, Seven Dials and Drury-lane.")

JOSEPH THOMPSON re-examined. I accompanied Dowsett to Ritchie's, and found some tow, some ladles for melting lead, and on the nest morning this tri-coloured band amongst some rags in a corner, which Ritchie termed his bed—he was in a very destitute state.

Cross-examined Q. How came you not to look into the corner where the rags were the first time? A. Because I found a flannel shirt all over vermin, and I was rather particular then—I considered they were all dirty rags—I turned them over, and seeing the band by daylight next morning, it struck me he had been to France, as I had heard him say so—I went again to be more particular—I think no one was with me the second time, except the landlord's daughter—the landlord was with us the first time—one time was bout nine at night, and the other between ten and twelve next morning.

ANTHONY RUTT (police-superintendant, L). On Wednesday, 16th Aug. I went with a party of constables to the Angel, Webber-street, Blackfriars-road, and found fourteen persons in the tap-room, Taylor, Cox, Herbert, Winspeare and utners—we took thirteen—I saw this pike—head under Conway's coat.

WILLIAM COCKERLLI . (policeman, L 108). I went with Rutt to the Angel—took Conway, and found two pike—heads under his coat.

SAMUEL HARRIS (policemen, L 6). I accompanied Rutt and took Herbert—he was sitting down when we went in—I found seventy-five rounds of ball-cartridges under his seat.

HENTRY BAKER (policeman, L 111). I went with Rutt, and took Prowton—I found on him a dagger, a pike—head, with a iruard to the handle, and a screw-wrench to serew the nut and fasten it on the pike.

ROBERT SMITH (policeman, L 21). I went with Rutt, took Winspeare, and found a breast-plate under his waistcoat, and over his shirt; also a pick—head.

JOHN COLLINS (policeman, L 184). I took Morgan, and found upen him a pike—head. and fifteen ball-cartidges in his pocket. (The various articles were produced.)

JOHN HAINES (police-inspector). On Wednesday, 16th Aug., between nine

and ten o'clock, I went to the Charter coffee-house, Strutton-ground, Westminster, kept by Lacey, who was tried last Session—I took him with me into the club-room; the Wallace Brigade branch of the National Chartist Association met there—I found there a list of members, a treasurer's fund-book, a victim fund-book, and a contribution-book—I found a man named Thomas Jones down stairs—he was searched in my presence, and two pistols, loaded with powder and ball, with flint locks, taken from his pocket, a bayonet from the breast of his coat, a one pound cannister of gunpowder from his hat, and a box of gunpowder from his pocket, and some ball-cartridges for pistols (produced).

EDWARD KENDALL . I am a Sergeant of the detective police—I took Jones at Lacey's, and afterwards went to his lodging with Inspector Walker, and saw him find a cup containing seventy bullets, and a stick two feet long, with part of a bayonet on it—I found about ten pounds of white metal, with the handle of a pewter pot in it, and three pounds of lead.

JAMES RUSSELL (police-inspector). On 16th Aug. I went to 4, Blue Anchor-yard, Westminster, and took Young, who was tried last Session—as 1 went up stairs I heard a noise, as of people running up and down stairs, putting something away—I went up, but found nothing—I came' down and found a pike in the yard, with this staff to it—I saw no window open, and had not heard anything fall outside—I found six bullets in the workshop, one flattened, as if it had been discharged, a canister of powder, and several truncheons, one loaded with lead; also the screws of a mangle, or carpenter's bench, which had been smoothed for the hand to grasp them without pain-in the cow-shed at the bottom of the yard I found a pistol, and in the yard, under Young's window, this combustible ball, and in a cupboard in his bed-room a canister, with forty or fifty bullets in it.

JAMES LEWIS ASHMAN (policeman, E 1). On 17th Aug., about one o'clock in the morning, I was on duty in Bow-street, and saw two persons pass—I stopped one; it was Argue, and after some conversation I Look from him a gun—I searched him at the station, and found twenty rounds of ball-cartridge, and a card of the Irish. Felon club, with his name to it.

JOSEPH THOMPSON re-examined. On 18th Aug. I and West took Cuffey at 11, Hollins-street, Wardour-street—on my telling him the charge he went to a drawer, put his hand in, and took something out—I caught hold of his hand, we had a struggle, and this pistol dropped from his hand on the floor—it was loaded with ball, and primed—he tried to secrete it, but I took it from him—I also found this banner.

WILLIAM WEST (policeman). I was with Thompson at Cuffey's, and found this pike-handle (produced) in the cock-loft.

THOMAS BARRETT . I am a shoemaker, and live at 17, Charles-street, Lisson-grove. I was a member of the Chartist association last summer—I joined it on Whitsunday last—I belonged to the Robert Emmett brigade—they held their meetings at Morgan's beer-shop, Praed-street, Edgware-road, and at Breedon's beer-shop, in Shouldham-street—I know Mullins—I have seen him on two or three occasions at the meetings at Breedon's—there was a Chartist meeting there on Sunday, 13th Aug.—I saw Mullins there during the day—there were two meetings; one was a private meeting—Mullins was at the latter meeting in the evening—I was not at the earlier meeting—he addressed the meeting in the evening—(he had addressed meetings once or twice before that)—he said it was necessary for every one to prepare for the crisis that was coming, and that it was necessary for each one to make a small sacrifice to aid the committee of progress in their undertakings—I was

at a meeting at Breedon's on Wednesday evening, the 16th, about eight o'clock—Mullins arrived about half-past eight—there were about thirty persons in the room—they were members of the locality, chiefly Chartists and Irish confederates—when Mullins came into the room, a man named Smith clapped him on the shoulder and said, "I was afraid you were taken"—Mullins replied, "No, they will only take me with my life"—I know a person named Cruikshank; I saw him there that night, he followed Mullins into the room; he placed a musket on the table—I had only seen him once before; that was at a meeting—I saw two or three pikes and two pistols in the hands of the men in the room just after Mullins came in—Mullins, Smith and some others went out of the room—Smith came back again—Mullins came and looked into the room, and Smith said they were to prepare to go to the Seven Dials and Crown-street, Soho—they were to be there by ten, and their leader would meet them there—a question was asked in what way they were to take their arms, and the reply was in the best way they can—their arms were called toothpicks—a question was asked if they had got their toothpicks ready—after that the people left the beer-shop by twos and threes—I afterwards went to Crown-street, Soho—I got there about ten—I saw twenty of thirty persons about Crown-street, Soho, whom I recognized—about half of them had been at the meeting at Breedon's that night.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. You are not working at your trade now, are you? A. I have not lately, not for this last month; I may say, except a few little jobs—when I go out, a policeman goes to protect me—I might walk with two policemen occasionally, but there is no necessity for two—I first communicated with the police on 16th Aug.—up to that time I held with the principles of the Chartists—I will not say I was downright sicere with them—up to 16th Aug. I had no thoughts of coming as a witness—I did not join them for the purpose of betraying them—I went to the police to tell what I knew—I went to offer myself to the police—I did not ask anything for my evidence, and did not receive anything—I did it entirely for the good of my country—I have bad 1l. a week since I have not been able to work at my trade—about six weeks or two months before I joined the Emmett Brigade, I had been in Cold Bath-fields prison, for the unlawful possession of a pint pot—I had not stolen it—the publican did not charge me with stealing it—he did not charge me at all—it was the policeman that charged me—he was fetched to the police-office, and his wife, Mrs. Thorn, also—I had a month—I was also in prison about four years ago, for taking some bread out of a baker's cart, with three more, in a drunken spree—they ran away; I did not, and I had to suffer—I cannot remember how much bread I took, because I was intoxicated at the time, but I think it was three half-quarterns—it was taken from a baker's cart, standing in the high road, and the loaves were stuck together in one lot—I had four months—I was tried at Clerkenwell Sessions—I had no friends, or any means of getting a defence up, or, otherwise, there is not a doubt I should have got off—I knew the men that I was with very well—I was living at Wilsden at that time—I was never found in a wine-cellar at Wilsden—I was in gaol when I was an apprentice—I might have been nineteen or twenty years of age at that time—I am now twenty-eight—I was fined 23s., or a month's imprisonment, and I had no means of paying that money—it was for trespass in search of game—it was not called poaching—my master would have paid the money, but I wished him not to do it to distress himself—I was never in prison at any other time—I know Robert Russell—he never charged me with stealing the cape of a dress, nor anything of the kind—I never stele one—I sole a cape

for 6d., which I picked up in a crowd going up the stairs of the Princess's Theatre—I made no inquiry about it—I sold it to a parly I was intimately acquainted with—Russell did not charge me with stealing it, nor with stealing a coat—I know Charles Jones—he never took from my neck a handkerchief which belonged to him—I never had anything belonging to him—I never had any arms, and never attempted to instigate any one to arm—I never asked any one to arm—I never made any cartridges—I know William John Garrett—I saw him on the evening of 15th Aug.—I showed him a pistol and a lot of ball cartridges—I did not tell him I had made them—I do not believe I did—I will not swear it, because I might and have forgotten it, but I believe I did not—if I had told him so, it would have been a lie—I might have told that lie—I did not tell Garrett that I expected a turn up with the police that evening—I never said anything to him concerning the police—he well knew what was going on—I did not tell him, to my knowledge, that I had been engaged all day making ball cartridges—I could not have stated it, because I never remember telling him any such thing—I swear I did not tell him so—I had not been making ball cartridges—I have been where I saw them made, but I had nothing to do with the making of them—I was not at this time in communication with the police—I did not wish Garrett to go to the meeting at Seven Dials—I did not know there was to be a meeting there—I know William New—I recollect seeing him about the middle of Sept.—I saw him on the day Mullins was apprehended—I went to his lodging—I had about me 12s. at that time, for which I had sold some shoes that I had made on my own account—I did not get that 12s. from the police or the Government—I did not tell New that I was not going to work again—he is in the same trade as myself—I gave him some leather to make up for me, to have the proceeds of it when it was done, because 1 could not make up the work" myself, as I had to leave home—I did not tell him I was not going to work again, that I had got 1l. a week, and was to have it as long as I lived—no such promise has been made to me—I told New I should go down to Southampton, where I should get work, and be able to earn 1l. a week at my work, as wages—I do not know that I know a lad named Gustavus Thomas, the son of a carpenter—I never employed him or any boy to make cartridges for me, and pay him 2s. a day—I did not employ Thomas or any one on Sunday 13th and Monday 14th, to make ball cartridges for me, and pay him for it—I know a young man named Procter—he went by the name of Hell-fire Jack, or young Bombshell, among the Chartists—I did not employ him to make cartridges, and say they were for some gentlemen who were going to emigrate—I do not know Procter's father—I never left a pike or pike—head for Procter, at his father's house—(looking at a broken one) I have seen Procter show that at the meetings to show that he was prepared—I never had it in my hand—I swear, positively I never left this, wrapped up in paper, for Procter, at his father's house, after 13th Aug.—I never left anything of the sort—I was not in the habit of being armed—I never carried arms before 16th Aug., but on one occasion, and that was the pistol and cartridges when I went to Garrett—I had no arms in my house, only on the afternoon of 15th—I swear that.

MR. CLERK. Q. Hew did that pistol and cartridges come into your possession? A. Procter had been making some cartridges, and he thought the police had got a clue to what he had been making—he met me in the street, and asked me to take them to my house, in case the police should find out where they were, and I did so—I had seen Procter make some of those

cartridges—I have seen this pike—head in Procter's possession, on several occasions before 15th Aug., as early as Whit-Monday, and several others of the same description—I have seen him at the meetings of the locality pull them from under his coat and show them.

CHARLES BALDWINSON . I am a tailor, and live in Webber-street Black-friars-road. In May last, I became a member of the Chartist Association at the South London locality—I became a class leader about a fortnight of three weeks afterwards—I had nine men under me as a class leader myself making ten—our locality met at the South London Chartist Hall, Webber-street—I know Mullins—on the day that Ernest Jones was tried in this Court, I was at the George Inn in the Old Bailey—Mullins and about nine or ten others were there—I heard them say that they wanted the secretaries and delegates to meet together that day at the George—they did meet—I went, and they would not let me assemble with them, because I was neither a secretary or a delegate—I saw Mullins write something on several pieces if paper, and hand one to each of the men that sat at the meeting, to each secretary and delegate—one of those pieces of paper was afterwards brought to our locality by Pedley, and on the production of that Pedley was elected our delegate to the secret meeting—on the following Wednesday evening, 12th July, Mullins took me and Pedley round to several streets, courts, and alleys, and said they would be the best places to fire on the police and military as they were passing by—he took us into one of the courts, and asked a woman who stood there if there was any entrance to that court—she said "No," and he said, "That will not do, you must have a thoroughfare to it"—we afterwards went to the Milton-street Theatre, where there was a meeting that evening—on 15th Aug., the day before the people were apprehended, I met a person named Morgan, and went with him to the Peacock in the Westminster-road—it was about eight o'clock in the evening—I found a man of the name of Chester and Collins there—Pedley came afterwards—there were about a dozen there, all Chartists of that locality—Pedley said there was a delegate come from Manchester, and he was told to tell us that they were up and doing there—he asked us if we were ready to come out and fight, and they all answered yes, if he meant it—he told us we were to come to the Peacock on the following evening, and to bring all our men with us, armed or not armed—he said we were to meet at the four different quarters—our locality was to meet at the Broadway, Westminster—the other three quarters mentioned were Clerkenwell-green, Tower Hamlets, and the East-end of the town—in consequence of that I told my class-men what Pedley had said—Conway was one, and Prowton another—I went to the Peacock on Wednesday evening, about eight—Pedley came afterwards—Morgan and Conway were there, and Winspeare—Pedley brought several ribbons of different colours—red and white were two of the colours—there were three—he said the delegates were to wear them that they might be known by the men—I saw Pedley with some cartridges that evening—I had a pistol there, and a pike—head—Pedley gave me some cartridges for my pistol—I loaded it with them—that was at the Peacock—I went to the Angel for the pike—Pedley came afterwards—it was there that I saw the cartridges, and I saw him load other men's pistols—Pedley had left two or three minutes before the police came, with two men with loaded pistols—I had given information to the police that afternoon, about half-past one or two, or from that to three.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. When did you first think of giving information to the police? A. Not till the afternoon of the 16th—I was as

accomplice up to the 16th—I was arrested, and let go—I swear I was not on friendly terms with the police till that afternoon—I swear I bad no communication with the police before that—I bad not been at the Angel that afternoon placing some of the cartridges that were afterwards found under the table—I had no cartridges—I had a pistol and pike-bead—I did not always carry them about with me—I did not act with them with the intention of betraying them—I intended to work with them, and did so—I remember about Tuesday, giving a pike to Conway, one of the men who was taken at the Angel, with it on him—I did not give it him for the purpose of its being found on him—he had one—that was after I had been in communication with the police—I had bought it about June last—I get my living by hard work, by tailoring—I was working with a man of the name of Gwynn at this time—I worked with him about six years, off and on, up to this time—I have not got anything for this—I have ll. a week to support my wife, through being thrown out of bread—I did not make that arrangement with the police before I gave any information—I do not expect anything else—I do not want anything else—I should not object to any more money if it was offered me—I got about 4s. 6d. a day regular wages, if I earned it—I am paid by the piece.

HENRY JONES (policeman, 138.) On the morning of 17th July, I was on duty, and went into Clerkenwell Churchyard about half-past four o'clock—it is part of my rounds—it adjoins Clerkenwell-green, and is enclosed from it by an iron railing—there is a passage through the Churchyard to three houses that are in it—that is accessible to persons at all hours, night and day—behind a wooden paling, underneath a bookbinder's window, I found a basket containing 280 rounds of perfect ball cartridges, and about fifty imperfect ones—this handkerchief was lying over the basket (producing them.)

JOSIAS CHILTON . I live in Crawford-street, Bryanston-square, and know Breedon's beer-shop in Shouldham-street. On the night of 16th Aug., I went there between eight and nine o'clock—there were about eighteen or twenty persons there, chiefly labourers, and I should rather think from their dialect they were Irish—I heard something said about leaving there, and going to Crown-street to meet their parties—I saw a gun unfolded from a wrapper by one of the persons that brought it in—it was in two parts, stock and barrel—I saw on the table, near the door, a sword blade, and a handle—the people were desired to disperse two or three at a time—they went away on that two or three at a time—I was there about an hour altogether.

THOMAS MALLISON . I live in Shouldham-street, next door to Breedon's beer-shop—from my room I can see into Breedon's—on 16th Aug., about half-past seven o'clock, I was at my window, and saw about fifteen or sixteen people arrive at Breedon's—they appeared to come in threes and fours—when I first looked there were six or seven persons at the door—the number increased—I should say eighty or a hundred came in threes and fours—they went in—there were not more than sixteen outside the door—I could see into Breedon's room from my window—it was crowded—I should say there were forty or fifty there, or from that to sixty—while looking, I observed the bright blade of a pike jerked up by some party or other above their heads—I saw from four to six inches of the blade—I went round to the station, and gave information to Mr. Walker—previous to that I had seen a cab arrive, with three persons in it, and a bundle three or four feet long, was handed out, tied round with a lightish cloth and a piece of string, which excited my suspicions—the bundle was taken into Breadon's—I could not see what it was.

JOHN BAMBRIDGE (policeman, D 105). On 16th Aug., about nine o'clock

in the evening, I was in Shouldham-street, and placed myself in a yard, and also on a roof, from which 1 could see into Breedon's beer-shop—at a few minutes after nine I saw about sixteen people in the room—one person was keeping the door—the window was opened, and one party addressed the others, and told them to come themselves, and bring as many other friends as they possibly could with them.

JOSEPH HOYLE (policeman, V 95). In Aug. I was stationed in and about Seven Dials—on the evening of 16th, about a quarter to nine o'clock, I saw about twenty people assembled, standing in twos and threes, in the Seven Dials—the number increased to about forty—I have been on the beat some time, and have a general knowledge of the persons that live in the neighbourhood—the people assembled appeared to be strangers—about half-past nine the number had increased to about sixty, and I thought it right to inform my inspector.

WILLIAM ROBERT BLACK (police-inspector F). On the evening of 16th Aug., about half-past nine o'clock, I went to Seven Dials with a party of police—I found from 100 to 150 people assembled, standing, talking, in twos and threes—the greater number appeared to be strangers in the neighbourhood—we dispersed them.

ROBERT WARRINGTON . I am chemical operator to the Society of Apothecaries (looking at the two receipts found at Rose's)—the first of these is pounded berytes of copper, wrapped in tinfoil, sprinkled with water, and wrapped in paper—that is a mixture which is commonly exhibited in lectures on chemistry, for the purpose of showing spontaneous combustion of tinfoil—when put in contact with nitrate of copper, and moistened, the tinfoil becomes red-hot and bursts; combustion would take place in between two and five minutes—the whole being wrapped together, it could be thrown anywhere, and would exhibit no appearance of its combustible nature until it burst—the other is steel filings and sulphur paste, woollen rags dipped in naphtha, sprinkled with nitric and sulphuric acids, vegetable pitch—there seem to be two mixtures here—the first is a mixture very often made for the purpose of producing intense heat, but no ignition would take place—the second would form a very powerful combustible mixture; directly the acids were poured on the woollen rags so steeped, they would burst into flames—then follows, "Nitrate of silver inclosed with a few pebble stones"—I cannot conceive that that would produce any action at all—if it means "fulminating silver," that is a very common mode of exploding pebble stones, but it would produce no effect—it is what is called "lunar caustic"

WILLIAM RANDALL . I am a firework-maker. I have examined these balls—they contain about 2 1/2 oz. of gunpowder mixed with small tacks or nails—there is a small piece of cotton which goes inside the ball, which I suppose would burn about half a minute before the ball exploded—there is no string; it is merely bound round with brown paper seamed with pitch—there is what is called a slow match, which communicates with the powder—if you lighted the slow match, probably half a minute would elapse before it exploded.

JOSEPH THOMPSON re-examined. I apprehended the prisoner on this charge on 18th Sept.—I found him at 4, Tatham-court, John-street, East-street, Old Kent-road—I had been searching for him for some time—I went there about nine o'clock—he was on the first-floor—I got into the house by a little stratagent, and he came down stairs, with a bonnet and shawl on, and dressed apparently as a female—I suspected he was a female until he spoke—he

held out his finger, and said, "I will surrender," and he surrendered quite guietly.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. Did he say, "Here I am?" A. I do not think he did—the first words he spoke were, "I will surrender."

Witnesses for the Defence.

GUSTAVUS THOMAS . I know Barrett, who has been examined here as a witness—on Sunday and Monday, 13th and 14th Aug., I was employed by him to make cartridges for a person going abroad—he told me they were to be sold to the blacks—by cartridges, I mean bullets and powder put into paper, and screwed at the end—I was to make as many as I could—I cannot tell how many I made, there was such a quantity, and he made some himself—there was about half a bushel altogether—it took me part of Sunday and Monday evening—he paid me 2s. for the Sunday, and 1s. for the Monday evening—they were made in Barrett's house—I live with my father, at 16, Harrow-road—Barrett's house—is 17, Charles-street, James-street, Edgware-road—Barrett was there part of the time—he saw me make some of the cartridges, and made some himself—a person named Procter was there, doing the same thing.

Cross-examined by MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. What business are you? A. A carpenter—I had known Barrett I dare say six weeks before 16th Aug.—the first time I met him was in the Edgware-road—he was talking to me, and invited me to have half-a-pint of beer with him—that was the first time 1 had seen him—that was about a fortnight before I made the cartridges—he invited me down to see him—he spoke to me very friendly—I never saw Procter before I saw him at Barrett's—I do not know whether he is the person they call "Hell-fire Jack "—I have never heard him called so—he made as many cartridges as he could, as I did—I suppose he was paid the same that I was, by Barrett—he left before I did on the Sunday evening—there was no one else there—I do not know what became of the cartridges—I was here at the last trial, but was not examined—my father brought me here—he was reading the paper, and I told him it was a man named Barrett who employed me, and he said it was no more than right that I should come to state it—my father is not a Chartist—the solicitor knew I was here at the last trial.

MR. PARRY. Q. How many times had you seen Barrett before you made the cartridges? A. About three times—he spoke to me first—he entered into friendly conversation with me, and asked me to take some beer—that was the beginning of my knowledge of him.

CHARLES PROCTER . I live at 8, High worth-place, Marylebone, with my father, and am a painter by trade. I have known Barrett, who has been examined here, about five months—I was employed by him on Sunday, 13th Aug., in his kitchen—I was out of employment, and he came to me on the Saturday, and told me if I liked to come and work for him he would pay me 2s. for my day's work—he did not tell me what I was to do till I got there—I went on Sunday, and Barrett, me, and a youth that 1 saw there, were making some ball-cartridges—I had seen that youth frequently with Barrett, six, seven, or eight times; I am positive of that—when I went into the kitchen, Barrett told me to make some ball-cartridges—he said they were for a gentleman emigrating—I did not know how to go about it, and he showed me—I saw a pistol in the room, and an iron railing bent at one end, and sharpened up at the other—my father showed me a thing similar to a pike-staff—this is it (produced) it was sharpened—the handle was not then broken—my

father did that in my presence, and threw it aside, and forbade my speaking to Barrett again—I have never, to my knowledge, been called "Hell-fire Jack "—I should have remembered it if I had—I am a Chartist—I never saw this pike before I saw it in my father's hands—if Barrett says I was in the habit of using it at the localities of the Chartists, it is false.

Cross-examined by MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. Did you attend the meeting at Kennington-common? A. I did not; I was not a Chartist then—I became one after that—I was at the Bonner's-fields meeting—I was not there when the people attacked the Church—I went home when I heard the meeting was forbidden—I was not at the meeting when the people walked round the town—I have attended about thirty meetings since I became a Chartist in John-street Convention Rooms, Mr. Morgan's, in Praed-street, Cartwright's, and Breadon's; not at Webber-street—I belong to the Maryle-bone locality—I never had a class-leader—there were a great many class-leaders in that district, one for every nine men.

COURT. Q. Were you a class-leader? A. No; I do not know what I was any more than a Chartist.

Q. What is a Chartist? A. Why, it is an individual that wants a fair day's pay for a fair day's work.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. And how are the Chartists to get it? A. By peaceable and social means; by petitioning, I suppose; not by fighting, or using such things as these—I am not a physical force Chartist—I do not know a person of the name of George Procter, a bomb-shell maker—I am a painter by trade—I never saw a bomb-shell—I never made any—I never made cartridges before I made them for Barrett—I had known Thomas, I should say, about three weeks, or it might be a month—I do not know whether he is a Chartist—I have seen him in Breedon's, in Shouldham-street—I never saw him at Cartwright's—I have seen him at Morgan's, in Praed-street, with Barrett—I do not remember seeing him anywhere else—the Emmett Brigade met at Morgan's—it was established for social petitions—it was named after Robert Emmett, a man that was hung some years ago—I do not know what it was for; I suppose because they were the strongest, and were able to do it—I have seen Thomas, at Barrett's house, two or three times, I should suppose—we used in general to meet every night at Cartwright's—I have not seen Thomas there every night; about twice—I was a member of the Emmett Brigade—I heard the people were taken at the Orange Tree on 16th Aug., but I had nothing to do with it—I was not at Breedon's that night; I was at home with my father—I did not know there was to be a meeting on the 16th—I never heard of it—I did not hear they were taken till the next day—I did not attend that night, or I should have known it the same night—I had some work, and thought it better to attend to that—I never had any pistols—I saw one in Barrett's kitchen on the Monday evening, as we were finishing the cartridges; I had never seen it before.

THOMAS PARIS . I am a blacksmith, and live at Greenwich. I know Davis, who lives at Greenwich—he is a boot-maker and broker, and keeps a general sort of shop—I never saw him work—whenever I saw his shop, it was composed of shoes, guns, swords, and such like—I did not pay particular attention to it; that is what I did see—I was only once in the shop—there were a great many second-hand things—there was an old stool—I bought a gun of him, not very long before the 16th of that month that the conspiracy broke out—I do not know whether it was Aug.—I recollect meeting

Davis on 16th Aug., about one o'clock, as near as possible—he said to me, "You are the very man I want"—he said, "This is the night the blow is to be struck "—he asked me to come up, and put his hand on his breast, and said, "I am all right," or, "all ready," and turned up his coat, and showed me the tri-coloured ribbon.

Cross-examined by MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. Are you a Chartist? A. I do not know whether I am a Chartist or not—I am a man for equal justice—I do not know whether you can make that a Chartist—I belong to that body—you may turn principles into anything you like—the Chartist principles are founded on justice and truth—I belong to the Wat Tyler Brigade—I do not hold any rank; I am not a class-leader—Davis was my class-leader—I do not know who my warden was—I do not think Mr. Ward was; Bligh was—Davis was not my class-leader; Young was—I have never been in a Court like this—I am a stupid fellow—I think Davis was a class-leader; he was the head one altogether, I believe—he was a man over 100, I believe—he was the delegate sent up from Greenwich, but he elected himself—I knew nothing about the tri-coloured badge before I saw it on his coat—I do not know whether it was in his coat or hat, but when he said, "He was all right," or "all ready," he showed it me—I bought the gun, because Davis told the locality there was to be a fight or revolution, and 1 thought I ought to be ready as well as the rest—I said there would not be a revolution; no one else but Davis told me so—I said it could not be, because I did not see the people were prepared for it—I bought the gun because I considered it was cheap, and I could get the money for it any day—he had the gun in his shop for sale—I only saw that and another one—I saw an old sword, and some very good pistols—he always had plenty of pistols—I always saw a pair of pistols in his custody when he came to the meeting—I never examined them—there was an old sword, and another sword—I do not know where he bought the guns—mine was an old Queen Anne piece, a real rum-un—I gave 6s. for it—it is a little short piece—I know it to be a Queen Anne piece, because I was informed, when I was a little boy, when I saw an old piece, that it was a Queen Anne, and it was the same sort as this; it was very old-fashioned.

REUBEN COLLETT . I live at Mr. Taylor's, in the Kent-road—I am a baker—I am in my 21st year—I am not a Chartist—I have never been asked by Davis to become one—I know Davis's shop—I have seen pistols there—I did not raffle for them—they were not raffled for—I did not invest a shilling in a raffle and have it returned to me because it did not take place—I did not invest any money at all—I remember a raffle being proposed—Davis told me the reason it did not take place was because he could not get members enough—I know Martin—I was at one time with him in Davis's company—I have heard Davis say he was a Chartist—I did not hear him say he would wallow knee-deep in blood for his fellow-creatures.

FREDERICK MARTIN . I am apprenticed to a carpenter and live at Green-wich—I am twenty years old—I know Davis—he asked me to enrol myself as a member of the Chartists—I declined—he asked me to raffle for a pair of pistols—I know Collett—I was with him on one occasion in Davis's shop when Davis said he was a Chartist, and would wallow knee-deep in blood for the rights of his fellow-creatures—I am quite sure of that.

MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. Collett was close by? A. No; he was not there at the time.

JOHN MATTHEWS . I am a bricklayer's labourer. I have known Davis about eighteen months—I have seen him at the Druid's Arms in Greenwich, at the Chartist's meetings there, and have seen him urge the people present

to get arms—I never heard him ask them to get arms—I have seen him with pistols in the room, offering them for sale, or to be raffled for.

Cross-examined by MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. Are you a Chartist? A. No; I do not attend the Druid's Arms frequently—I go there sometimes after my work—I do not belong to the Wat Tyler or Emmett Brigades.

COURT. Q. How came you to be at the house? A. I have used it there years—these were not private meetings of the Chartists—I have been in the parlour and have gone up-stairs, and sat down as other people might.

JOHN HANKS . I am a carpenter, and live at Church-passage, Greenwich I know Davis—I remember being in his shop about the latter end May, or the beginning of June, when he said half-inch chisels would be very serviceable to run into the bowels of the police—he asked me if I would" fight for my country for a fair day's wages and a fair day's work—I was passing when he pointed to a musket—he said, "These are the things that will settle the special constables"—I was one myself—I have known Davis near eight years—from what 1 know of him I would not believe him on his oath.

Cross-examined by MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. He knew you if were a special constable, I presume? A. Yes; he knew that, at the time he talked about the hall-inch chisels and the gun—he invited me several times into the room where they met, and when he began to talk about pistols and guns I said it was disgusting to me—I never beard him examined on his oath—I would not believe him on his oath, because he tried to draw me in and put me into difficulties, and I was satisfied it would not be carried out because I knew very well that the Government would overpower such a movement—it tvas beyond all reason that any such thing would take place in this country as burning and assassinating the people, which was spoken of when I was in the shop—the reason I did not join was because I did not approve of their transactions—I did not go to the police and give information—there were more people present than Davis talking about it—there was a man named Blagden—I do not know Bligh, Robinson or Ward—I was satisfied that a dangerous meeting was going to take place—at that time there were a great many depredations committed on the shopkeepers, and I joined the special constables to protect my own property—I did not go to the police, I had enough to attend to my own business—I was satisfied it was very well known to the police, because the police were round about the house where the meetings were continually—that was at the Druid's Arms, in Straits-mouth—I thought it was not my duty to give information—I keep a broker's-shop—I deal in old clothes—I am a carpenter by trade, and keep an old clothes'-shop as well—I do not deal in guns—I have never had any.

MR. PARRY. Q. It was Davis talked about assassinating the police and burning the houses? A. Yes; he wanted me to come to the Druid's Arms and join them on several occasions—he asked me about three times.

JOHN STANTON . I am a labouring man, and live at Greenwich. I know Davis—I have known him the last two years, when he lived at Mr. Hanks's house—I was a Chartist at that time, I am not now—Davis asked me to become one about four months ago—he asked me to join the Wat Tyler division—he offered to supply me with a pike—I was to pay for it by instalments—he said he would fetch it from London, as he was in the habit of going to London every day—he said he had a pair of pistols, and was going to raffle them, but if I liked to buy them I might do so—he said I had better provide myself with arms, because I would not know when I might be attacked by the b----blue devils—I saw him at the Druid's Arms several times—he was there every meeting-night—the meeting of the Confederates was on Sunday, and

the Chartists on Tuesday—he said he wished we had a place at the back of his bouse where we could practise firing, for the purpose of getting us into organization.

Cross-examined by MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. Were you examined on a former occasion? A. I was; I then gave nearly the same story—I am a labouring man—I was formerly in the police—I left it to go to work on the Greenwich Railway—I was not dismissed—I was fined on several occasions before I left—I got 18s. a week on the railway and my overtime, and as a policeman I got 19s. a week, not my clothes—my overtime sometimes came to 10s., and sometimes I worked eight days and sometimes nine days in a week, early in the morning and late in the evening—ten hours makes a working day—we used to work overtime till ten at night, sometimes—I joined the police when they first went to Greenwich, about seventeen years ago—I was reported two or three times—I do not know about being reprimanded—I might be reported early in 1832, by police-sergeant Parry, for being absent from my duty—I do not know that I was again reported in the same month for being absent—I was not, that I know of, reported for being in a public-house, and taking a pensioner to the police-station to sleep—I was not fined 5s.—I was not dismissed for being drunk—I gave in my resignation, and the superintendent sent Sergeant Herring to take my clothes, that was in 1835.

MR. PARRY. Q. In addition to having overwork, had you your Sundays to yourself? A. Yes; and Saturday night as well, and only one master; I had five or six in the police, and I was not up all night; at least if I was, I was paid double for it—there is one thing that I forgot to mention, and that was after Mitchell had been sentenced, Davis took up the newspaper and read, and said "What do you think of this, Stanton?"—I said it was a bad job for the family—he said, "Mitchell was transported for fourteen years; I wish I had my wish, I would go to the Houses of Lords and of Commons, and blow all the b----s up into the heavens!"—I forgot to explain that last time I was here.

JOHN PINEGAR . I live at Greenwich, and know Davis quite well. I remember hearing of Mitchell being convicted in Ireland—I saw Davis about that time—he had not quite done reading the paper when I went in—I asked what they had done with Mitchell—he said they had transported him for life, or something of that sort, and proceeded reading the paper—he did not say anything more that day—at another time I heard him say that he would be one to go to London to blow up both Houses of Parliament, with every b—r in them, and the b----Queen too—that was some weeks before, at the Druid's Arms, not at any meeting.

Cross-examined by MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. Did he say that to you privately or generally? A. Privately—simply to me, no one else was in the room at the time—he treated me to a pint of half-and-half at the time—I bought a gun of him—he told me things were coming about, and we should all want a gun, and if we did not get a gun we should all get killed—I innocent like gave him 6s. for it—I bought it, because if any one was coming to take my life. I was in duty bound to protect myself—I did not know who were coming—I was a member of the Wat Tyler Brigade—I did not expect they were coming, or the Emmett Brigade, or the Felon Club—I have shot sparrows in my own ground—I bought the gun to shoot, it did not matter what, if they came to take my life—Davis told me we should all be fetched out of our beds, and I said if that was the ease I should want a gun to protect my wife and family, and to protect my garden—I have shot cats, and a dog as well—I bought it to protect my wife and family—it was too long to take in the streets; it was five feet long I could not load it—I had not got anything to take into the

streets—I do not recollect at all where I was on 16th Aug.—I recollect the day the persons were taken up at the Orange Tree—I was in town on that evening; I heard something was going on in the evening, and walked up to London-bridge, and round some of the streets, I cannot say which; I am a stranger in London; some man showed me where to go—I met him in Church-passage, Greenwich—Davis did not advise me not to come up, he advised me to go up—I did not go to the Orange Tree—Davis did not tell me not to go—next morning he said, "It was a very good job you did not take my advice, and go to town"—I heard something was to take place, I did not know what—I heard of fires and other things from Davis, not from any one else—I do not know who it was that I met—he said be knew me well, and I said if he was going up to town I would go—we met two or three on the road—I left my gun at home—no persons that were with me had anything that I am aware of—I did not see anything—when we got to London, we called in Bermondsey as we came, and had two pots of beer—there was no one else there, but a man singing songs—we staid in the public-house till half-past eleven, and then came to London-bridge, and where we went then I cannot be positive—I do not know the road—I did not go into any other house till 1 got to my own house—we went over London-bridge, and came over another bridge—I do not know what bridge, I believe it was the next one—this person took me—these were three of us altogether—I do not know Webber-street—I then went home.

MR. PARRY. Q. What time did you start to see what was going on is London? A. After ten o'clock—I met another man just as I had started—I had been at work all the afternoon, not the whole of the day—after I left off work, at half-past five, I went home and had my tea—nothing was to be seen when we got up to London—we got up about twelve or one o'clock.

WILLIAM DOW . I live at Blackheath—I know Davis. Between May and Aug. he asked me if I was a Chartist—he has asked me to become a Chartist, and to go to the Druid's Arms—I never did—he has frequently pressed me to do so—on the Saturday before Whit-Monday, I saw Davis with a pair of pistols—he told me he was going to a meeting at Bonner's-fields, and should take his pistols, and use them if it was required—he asked me whether I had any arms—he did not to my knowledge offer to sell me arms—he said I ought to have arms—I do not remember his offering to supply me—I remember his saying, on one occasion, something about that he would do his best to destroy the present Government, as they were bringing the people to starvation—not those exact words—he said the country was in a sad state, and we were all coming to poverty—he did not say anything to my knowledge about doing his best to destroy the present Government—he said it would be better for me and my family if I joined the Chartists—I declined it.

WILLIAM JOHN GARRETT . I live at 19, Linton-place, Edgeware-road, and am a shoemaker. I have known Barrett about twelve months—I remember his coming to me on the evening of loth Aug.—he asked me to go with him to a meeting—he did not say where it was to be—he showed me a pistol, and about sixty cartridges—he said he had been making the cartridges—I asked him where he got them—I do not recollect his saying anything about the Seven Dials—he asked me to go to the meeting with him—he said he expected a turn-up with the police that evening—I did not go.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. You have been a Chartist a great number of years? A. I have—I belong to the Marylebone Locality—that is not the Emmett Brigade—I attended the demonstration on 10th April—I

went from my own house—I called at ray locality, and the principal part were gone, and I went with the remainder to Kennington-common—I did not reach the procession till they were turning into Holborn, and I joined it there, and we all marched arm-in-arm, three or four abreast, and then went to Kennington-common—there were a great many, sixty or seventy thousand—we went to take the national petition—I do not know that before that I saw notices in the street warning people from attending that meeting—I do not know that I swore at my last examination that I did—I do not know whether I did or not—it was given out at the locality that no man was to carry even a stick, and I do not know any man that did—I tried to get over Westminster-bridge on my way home, and could not—I waited, 3nd tried to get over Vauxhall-bridge, and was told it was all blocked up with police—I waited till the police left, and then caroe over Westminster-bridge.

MR. PARRY. Q. I dare say you saw a great many well-dressed people at the meeting as we'l as working men? A. I did.

RICHARD PINNELL . I am a carpenter, and live at India-cottages, Hoxton Old-town. I have known Powell for the last twelve or thirteen years—I recollect his speaking to me, between April and August, about the Government—he said it was a weak and b----Government, and "we (meaning the Chartists) would send Lord John Russell and Sir George Grey to the devil within another month"—that was a week or two before 10th April—he alluded to the meeting that was going to take place at Kennington-common—he had asked me to go to Cartwright's, and become a Chartist—I declined, and said I would not have anything to do with them—I recollect his saying, "Look at the Queen, with her hundreds of thousands a year, spending in waste and idleness, while we are obliged to work from morning to night to get a mouthful of bread"—he said, "I will blow her and the b—foreigner and the b----family to hell"—I suppose he was alluding to Prince Albert—he said if I called at his house next Sunday he would show me materials sufficient to blow London to hell in half an hour—I have beard him express his opinion on religious subjects many times, and from what I have known of him I would not believe him on his oath—I have heard him called Lying Tom to his face, scores of times—he was never known by any other name.

Cross-examined by MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. Are you a Chartist? A. No—I was found out as a witness by one of the men in Mr. Smith's shop—I do not know his name, he called on me, and told me to go to some gentleman's house at Dalston; I do not know his name—I never made any inquiry about it—that man wrote a letter which I signed, and it was published in the Northern Star—a card was left at my house for me to go to a street in Dalston—I have not got the card here, I have lost it—the number of the man's house, and the name of the street was written on it; that was all—I live about a mile and a half from Dalston—no further message was left with the card, than that this party wished to see me at nine o'clock that night—what I understood was, that this stranger had been at Mr. Smith's shop, and the men there told that stranger that I had worked with Powell a length of time, and they thought it was likely if he would call on me that I might give some information, and I went—I do not know the man's name—he was a shoemaker—at least I saw some shoes in his house—I was not examined by an attorney—I do not know Mullins, I never saw him—I never knew Cuffey, or Lacey, or any of the men—what the man wrote and I signed was all correct, I believe—I would not believe Powell on his oath, because I have heard him swear that he would swear anything if he could get paid for it—that was in the shop, times out of number within the last thirteen

years—it is about nineteen months since I worked with him—that is not my only reason for not believing him—I would not believe him on account of his bad actions respecting religion—I have heard him call Jesus Christ a thief, and the Virgin Mary the biggest wh—that ever walked—I have seen him break up certain portions of Scripture and put them into the fire—when I was last here I gave as a reason for not believing him on his oath that I had seen him take the New Testament from his box, and wherever the name of our Saviour occurred cut it out and burn it—I have seen him do so on several occasions—he did not have fresh books—I have known him go out of a morning to buy a rasher of bacon, and he would bring it wrapped up in a piece of the New Testament, and as he was reading it he would break it, and I have seen him do it in a book—he tore out the part where Christ's name was—he did not throw the whole leaf into the fire, only that part—he would break off that part, and throw it into the fire—I did not on the last occasion say he cut it out—he broke it off, not the whole page—he only broke out those portions, and also wherever the name of the Apostles occurred—I have seen him take the book out of his chest for the purpose—I do not think he was in the habit of reading it—he kept it in his chest, but he made all sorts of sport of it—I never associated with him—I did not dare to complain to his brother-in-law, Mr. Smith—I have worked with him twelve or thirteen years, and in that time it may have happened once or twice in twelve months, or it might not happen once in three years, but I know it did happen in many instances during the time I was there—I cannot say how often—perhaps it might have been a dozen times in the whole time—I should say it was—I would not believe him on any account, because I know he is capable of anything that is bad—he never did a good action in his life—I believe he would hang his wife and family for 4d.—he would do it for anything in the shape of money—that is my belief, on my oath.

MR. PARRY. Q. Did he tear the part out with his hand? A. Yes—I have seen him do it more than once, and when throwing it into the fire he said, "We will burn that b----"—always when he got into conversation about religion he would use that and other opprobrious expressions in reference to our Saviour—I have heard him say, speaking of his father, if he could get at the old b---—he would get hold of his bones, he would pull them out of the grave and strew them about the streets, and he hoped and trusted his old soul was in the middle of hell burning—I have heard him swear that scores of times, with his eyes rolling about, and his arms shaking like a madman—when I say I have heard him swear, I mean I have heard him say "So help me God!"

JAMES BENNETT . I live at 9, Leonard-square, and am a shoemaker. I know Powell—I met him at the National Hall, Holborn, on 3rd April, and walked home with him—he asked me what I was going to do on 10th April—I told him I intended to go to Kennington-common—he asked me if I intended to go armed—I said, no, certainly not, I considered any man an injurer to the cause that went armed—Powell said I was a b----fool if I did not; he should, and every man ought, or something to that effect—he said he had been making hand-grenades, and that they had penetrated halfway through an inch-board—he had tried the experiment in his own back room—I did not ask him how they were made, but he told me—he said a ginger-beer bottle, or any kind of bottle, half filled with powder and half with hard nails, or any kind of substance, I think it was ginger-beer bottle he mentioned, and by throwing them among the police they would break the b----s legs—he said they were to be corked up, and a fusee put to them—I met him

a week afterwards, and he asked me how the Chartists were getting on—I said the country seemed in a very agitated state—he said he had ten men, and he wanted five more good men as they were, and he could take the Artillery-ground easily—I asked him how it was possible that so small a quantity of men could take the Artillery-ground—he said the men he had understood spiking the artillery—I do not know what he meant by it, but I believe those were his words—he said he had a plan for taking London, or something: to that effect.

Cross-examined by MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. What society do you belong to? A. The Whittington and Cat—I am a Chartist—I have been so nine years, and shall be to the day of my death—I am not a physical force man; I go by Feargus O'Connor's instructions, who I understand is a moral force Chartist—I was at the Kennington-common meeting—I did not go armed; I should have been a fool to have done so; the executive issued orders that the people should not go armed—if they had issued other orders I should not have done so—I cannot say who are the executive—I obeyed them, because they were elected by the people—they were to govern the people—I understand the six points of the Charter—I do not know what the executive were elected for—I obeyed them, because I considered them a moral set of men—I obey any moral set of men, although I do not know them—they give their orders by issuing an address—the address is not communicated to the wardens of the different localities—I learn them from reading the pamphlets—they are printed; they are not sent round to the Chartists—the orders are published in the Northern Star, which I have taken in for nine years—I would as soon go without my dinner on a Sunday as go without my paper—I read the Northern Star, and of course if there is an article in it that I approve of, of course I take notice of it—I have got it impressed on my mind, there are nothing but moral orders given there—there are no orders, but an address, or something of that kind—if an address is issued by the executive I expect to find it in the Northern Star, and no doubt the Chartists look in it for their orders.

MR. PARRY. Q. Is the executive the governing body of an association formed for obtaining the six points of the Charter? A. Yes; it is formed for obtaining the Charter by peaceful and constitutional means—I am a member of it, and shall continue so—I subscribe to its funds, and have done so for nine years—the executive is elected by the members of the association, and they act accordingly.

COURT. Q. Will you just say what the six points of the Charter are? A. Universal suffrage, vote by ballot, triennial parliaments, no qualification of members, payment of members; upon my word I forget the sixth at present—this is the first time I was ever in a Court, and I am rather put about.

MR. PARRY. Q. Equal electoral districts? A. That is it—I think that was a point when I first joined it, and I consider it one of the grandest points.

DANIEL BYRNE . I live in Shoreditch, and am a sofa-maker. I know Powell—I remember his showing me some pistols on or about the 10th April—he told me he intended to arm himself before going to Kennington-common—I have heard him talk repeatedly about assassinating the police, at the coffee-shop where I take my meals—he said he hoped the people would assassin-ate the police and fire the houses—I remember his saying on one occasion, when he showed me a pistol, "These are the things that will do for them; I wish to sec all the police assassinated, and to have some good fires in

London"—I have seen him with pistols twice—I have repeatedly heard him, at the coffee-house, urge men to arm.

Cross-examined by MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. Were you not at the Milton-street Theatre in April? A. I was on 28th July—it was a Chartist meeting—Mullins was there—I went up to him, and cautioned him against Powell, knowing him to be a dangerous man, knowing what he had done to other men—I cautioned Mullins, Rose, and Shaw, and other men on the platform, against Powell, because I believed him to be a spy—I cannot mention the other persons names; there were a great many—I did not take particular notice whether Bezer was there; he might, or might not have been—Shaw is the man who was convicted—I did not see Brewster there, or Ritchie—I do not know Gurney or Lacey; at least, I never saw Lacey before he was in the dock—there were a great many there, but I do not know their names—I have been a Chartist since 1839—I went to Kennington-common by myself, not in the procession—I was caught in the trap at the bridge, and will never go to a Chartist meeting again over the bridges—I thought I had no right to be prevented going to my house—I found 1 was prevented going to my house, and that is the reason I will not go over there again—when I cautioned. Mullins against Powell, he said, "That is not Powell, it is Johnson;" and I denied that his name was Johnson—I had always known him by the name of Powell—I heard him answer by that name—I never heard him called Johnson before that.

JOHN WESTMORELAND . I am a tailor, carrying on business at Watling-street, City. I am a real six-point moral-force Chartist—I remember Powell coming to me and saying he had a project of organization that he thought would be most desirable to act on for taking London, and carrying out his physical force operations—he gave me this paper (produced)—on one occasion he showed me the drawing of a plan—he did not give me that—he introduced himself to me—I never saw him before.

Cross-examined by MR. ATTORNEY-GENERAL. Q. How long have you been a Chartist? A. Upwards of forty years—I am a moral force Chartist—I have been in the habit of attending Cartwright's, and speaking occasionally—I do not know about being ill-received when I spoke my moral force doctrines: I spoke what I conceived to be the truth—I have heard my doctrines applauded very much by certain respectable men who attended there—till this miscreant came among us we were all real moral force Chartists, and nothing else—he made impressions on some unfortunate individuals, but not on many: I am sorry to say many became victims to his insinuations—I heard something of a meeting where the people paraded, but I know nothing about it more than hearsay—I never made a speech out of window in my life; it is all a mistake—I have subscribed to the defence of these prisoners, because I considered they deserved to be supported from the villanous conduct of this miscreant—they were unsuspectingly lead into the mischief they hare been guilty of—I do not know any of the prisoners personally—Mullins was not a member of Cartwright's meeting, to my knowledge—I never saw him before—I presume he was lead into it by Powell—I know nothing of it from my own knowledge.

THOMAS CLARK . I am a Chartist. Some months back I was connected with the executive, but am not now—lam still a member of the National Charter Association—I believe there are at present in that association what are called class-leaders—I know the rules of that association—this is a prospectus of the association (looking at it)—I believe it was formed on the plan

of the Wesleyan body—I was at the drawing up of the rules—as far as I know its objects are peaceable and lawful.

(George Thurston, Thomas Oaborne, Henry Watson, and Alfred Carr, were called upon their subpœnas, but did not attend.)

(Peter Nugent Kingston, M. D.; George Frederick Knox, cupper, of Westminster Hospital; and Henry Cattell, tailor, 10, Perceval-street, Clerkenwell, deposed to the prisoner's good character.)

GUILTY. Aged 22.—Strongly recommended to mercy by the Jury, on account of his youth, and his being led away by some bad associates. Transported for Life .

Before Mr. Justice Wightman and the Third Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2293a

2293. CHARLES MANSER , stealing, whilst employed under the Post-office, a post-letter, containing a sovereign, of Her Majesty's Postmaster-General.

MESSRS. CLARKSON and BODKIN conducted the Prosecution,

JOHN PLAYLE . I am inspector of letter-carriers at the General Post-office. The prisoner was a letter-carrier, and has been so employed nearly seven years—his district was Long-lane, Berraondsey—at the latter end of Sept., from reasons that were considered sufficient by the authorities of the General Post-office, I prepared a letter for the purpose of testing the honesty of the deliverers of that district—I enclosed it in an envelope, and I saw Mr. Russell pat a sovereign into it—we both marked it—Mr. Russell sealed it, and it was addressed "Mr. Joseph Barr, Windsor Castle, 27, Long-acre, London"—the letter was written on the 28th, and the sovereign marked on the 29th Sept.—it was made up on the 29th, and I posted it in the hall of the General Post-office on the morning of the 30th, shortly after five o'clock—Mr. Gardner, the clerk, there received it of me—I saw the prisoner while on his duty that morning, between six and eight—the address on the letter was not an address within his delivery—supposing it was found among his letters, it would be called mis-sorted—it would then be his duty to take it to the blind-sorter, before he went out to deliver his letters—he went out that corning about eight—I was in Mr. Kelly's room when he was brought in by one of the inspectors at half-past eleven—Peak was present, and searched the prisoner—I saw Peak produce a sovereign, which I examined, and found it was the sovereign 1 had previously enclosed in the letter, and was part of the public money of the Post-office which I had had for the purpose (looking at it)—I find both my own marks on it.

THOMAS RUSSELL . I was present when this letter was made up and addressed to Mr. Barr—I marked the sovereign that was put in, and sealed the letter myself—I gave it to Mr. Playle—this sovereign has my own mark on it—I put only one mark on it in the milling at the foot of the shield.

JOHN GARDNER . I received a letter addressed to Mr. Barr, from Mr. Playle, on 30th Sept., early in the morning—I gave it to Mr. Rice—it then appeared to contain coin.

HENRY RICE . I received a letter, addressed to Mr. Barr, from Gardner—I carried it to the Inland Office, to division No. 12, which includes the prisoner's walk—I placed it among the letters already sorted for the Long-lane district, of which the prisoner was the carrier—I put it there after the letters had been sorted—they are first placed on the sorting-table, and then brought to the different walks by messengers employed for the purpose—a person named Mills, who was tried here the day before yesterday, was employed that morning in carrying letters from the sorting-table to the different divisions—I put this letter among the letters that were on the

sorting-table—before the letter-carrier leaves the office he sets, as it called, his letters, that is placing them in order, to enable him to deliver them more conveniently.

MATTHEW PEAK . I was on duty this morning at the General Post-office, about twelve o'clock in the day, and was directed to search the prisoner—I did so, and found this sovereign, one half-sovereign, 22s. in silver, and 7 1/2 d. in copper—he was asked where he got the money from—he said the half sovereign and 2s. he had taken from a letter-carrier named Crusher that morning; the sovereign and other money he had brought from his house and was his own—he was detained in custody.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Had he been watched from six o'clock that morning? A. Not that I am aware of—I had received no order to watch him—he had no parts of any letter about him—I think the money was loose in his pocket.

JOSEPH BARR . I reside at the Windsor Castle, 27, Long-acre. I received a letter containing a sovereign some days since, but not on that day—I cannot say exactly how long it was after.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you receive any by post? A. Not on that day—I have since—I have not got it here.

MR. BODKIN. Q. Was it from a person you knew? A. Yes—I cannot say who it was from now—I am in the habit of receiving money through the Post-ofiice two or three times a week—I knew of this plan before it took place—the Post-office had communicated with me about it.

(Charles John Devereux, that-manufacturer; Frederick Barrett, builder; and James Cordery, of Long-lane, gave the prisoner a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 32.— Transported for Seven Years .

Before Mr. Justice Maule.

Reference Number: t18481023-2294

2294. GEORGE HEDGLEY , feloniously knowing and abusing Harriet Branch, aged nine years.

MR. O'BRIEN conducted the Prosecution.

GUILTY. of an Assault . Aged 25.— Confined One Year .

NEW COURT.—Thursday, October 26th, 1848.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Sixth Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2295

2295. JOHN TURNER , stealing 9 yards of silk, value 13s.; the goods of Thomas Soper Slope, his master: also six yards of Orleans cloth, 8s.; the goods of Thomas Soper Slope, his master; to both of which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 18. Transported for Seven Years .

Reference Number: t18481023-2296

2296. ELIZABETH LOVE , stealing 1 waistcoat and 1 scarf, value 9s.; the goods of Thomas Bevan: also 1 ornament for the neck, 10s.; the goods of Thomas Fairbank, her master; to which she pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Nine Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2297

2297. THOMAS COX , stealing 1 box and other goods, value 5l. 3s.; the goods of John Sanders, having been previously convicted; to which she pleaded

GUILTY . aged 27— Transported for seven Years .

Reference Number: t18481023-2299

2299. JOHN KILBURN , embezzling 11s. 6d.; the moneys of Joseph Bartholomew, his master, having been before convicted; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Nine Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2300

2300. GEORGE WAREHAM , stealing 1 half-crown; the moneys of William Morris Nicholson, his master.

MR. BALLANTINE conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM MORRIS NICHOLSON . I am a grocer and tea-dealer, and keep a post-office at No. 86, Upper-street, Islington. On Thursday, 28th Sept., I marked three half-crowns and one shilling, between four and six o'clock in the afternoon—I put them in my till—there was no other half-crown there—the prisoner was my shopman—he had been in my service about twelve months before, as a warehouseman—about two hours after I had put the money in the till, the half-crowns were all gone—I had only been in to take my tea—there had been two or three customers in the shop—I had an engagement out, and did not return till ten at night; my shop was then shut up—I did not say anything to the prisoner till the Monday evening following, when be came in and told me he thought he should not be able to get through the work, that he must leave—I said, "Why?"—I had not made any complaint—I then said, "Wareham, you have been robbing me "—he paused, and seemed very much confused, and said, "Will you forgive me, sir?"—I said, "That depends on circumstances"—I then asked what money he had in his pocket—he said he did not know—I said, "Certainly you know what you have got; what have you got up-stairs?"—he said he did not know—I sent for a policeman, and gave him in custody—he was searched at the station, and 4s. and one half-crown found on him, but not one of those I had marked—the policeman came back with me andthe prisoner, and searched his boxes—there was found 6l. 10s. in gold, and 9s. 10d. in silver in his trowsers pocket—his wages were 25l. a year, but he had not been paid, as he had not been a quarter with me—among the money, I identified this half-crown—I have no doubt of its being mine—I cannot speak to any of the other money.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. The prisoner's box was unfastened when you saw it? A. Yes; I did not tell him when I missed the three half-crowns, because I was going out to an important appointment, and I could not stop—I had business of importance on Friday and Saturday—I was at home on those days, and the prisoner was with me—I did not charge him with taking the whole three half-crowns, because I had my doubts whether he might have taken the whole three—there was a half-sovereign in the till, and I thought he might have served two or three customers, and given the half-crowns—he had no right to put a half-sovereign of his own in, and take change; he might have done it—I knew him before, he had been living with roe as a warehouseman—he came from the country—he was present when his box was searched—I was a little excited when I charged him with this—I do not know that he had 10l. when he came from the country—I have since heard that he had been in business in the country—he had written to me three months previous to his coming to town, to say that he should be glad if I could get him a place, and I recommended him to my brother-in-law, but he did not settle there; he came to me the day my young man was leaving, and I took him—he said at the office, that if the half-crown was marked in any way, it had got scratched with being in his pocket—I have a wife, and a son and daughter in my house, and some other children, and servants—my son slept in the same room with the prisoner—my son did not serve more than twice a week in the shop.

MR. BALLANTIN. Q. Did the prisoner say at any time, that he had put a half-sovereign in the till, and taken change out? A. No.

GEORGE LOCK (policeman, N 196.) I took the prisoner, on the 2nd Oct.—I searched him, and then searched his boxes—in a pocket in his trowsers. in his box, I found 9s. 10d. in silver; amongst it was this half-crown, Which the prosecutor immediately claimed—in another pocket in the same trowsers I found 6l. 10s. in gold—the prisoner did not say how he got the money.

Cross-examined. Q. Did he not say it was all his own money? A. No; he said nothing—he said, "It is no use your looking there, the money is in my trowsers pocket"—I am quite sure he did not add, "That money is mine"—the prosecutor was not much excited—he took the half-crown in his hand, looked at it, and said, "This is mine, and here is the mark."

MR. PARRY called.

ROBERT HAYWOOD . I am a carpenter and builder, and live in Park-place, Marylebone. I have known the prisoner eight or ten years, and the family many years—I never heard any complaint against the prisoner's honesty—about the 17th Aug., he came up from Dorsetshire to London—he made my house a home till he could procure a situation—he gave me 10l. to take care of for him, previous to his going to Mr. Nicholson's—after a short time, he said he had procured a situation at Mr. Nicholson's, and he wished to take the money in his own possession, and I gave it him back.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. What did he give it you for? A. To take care of—he would not take it in his pocket to go about the streets while he was inquiring for a place—he gave it me in my parlour—my wife was present, no one else—it was a note—I did not take the number of it—I kept it in the drawer in the bureau, with what little cash I had—I did not give him back the same note—I had occasion to change it—my wife got it changed—she is not here—I paid it the prisoner back in ten sovereigns, which I had from my drawer—it was on a Sunday, I do not know the day of the month—when I took the note I did not give him any receipt for it.

MR. SLEIGH. Q. Where is this drawer? A. In the parlour—that drawer, is my usual repository for money—my wife takes custody of any money I receive in the course of business.

COURT. Q. Do you know how the prisoner came up from Dorsetshire? A. By the train—he had two or three boxes—the lock of one was broken—the other two I believe had no locks—the lids of them all were screwed down or corded.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY. Aged 23.—Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor and Jury Confined Three Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2301

2301. BENJAMIN THOMAS COTTON , stealings 2 sovereigns, 2 shillings, and 1 sixpence; the monies of William Samuel Burton, his master.

MR. PAYNE conducted the Prosecution.

ISAAC WAY . I am in the employ of Mr. William Samuel Burton, of Oxford-street—the prisoner was a clerk in his employ. On Thursday, 21st Sept., the prisoner sent me to Dr. Manley's, in Great Ormond-street, for some money—I got 2l. 2s. 7d.—amongst it there were two sovereigns—I gave it to the prisoner.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. What time of the day was it? A. Between seven and eight o'clock in the evening—I have been porter there nearly two years—the prisoner had been there longer—he did not tell me not to say anything about the 2l. 2s. 7d.—it was done openly—he was sitting at his desk, as he does at other times—there were other clerks sitting there.

HENRY HOPKINS . I am cashier, in Mr. Burton's employ—when any money came into the prisoner's possession, it was his duty to give a check for the amount, and send the porter to pay it to me—I did not receive a check for this money on the night of 21st Sept—the prisoner has never paid me that sum.

Cross-examined. Q. How long have you been cashier there? A. About fourteen months—the prisoner has got cash from me for his own purposes, cash belonging to the firm, when he has wanted it—not more than 20s.—he has always returned it—he has sometimes given me a memorandum, and at other times has had it without.

MR. PAYNE. Q. Do you mean to say you have lent your master's money to him? A. Yes; it was not allowed, but I have done it.

ALFRED BURTON . I am brother to the prosecutor. In consequence of what Way said to me on Saturday, 23rd Sept., I asked the prisoner what he had done with the money that Way paid him on Thursday evening—he said he wanted money, he had appropriated it to his own use, and intended to return it.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you mean to swear that those were the words he used? A. That was the substance of what he said—I do not know whether he used the word "appropriate"—he did not say that being rather pressed for money, and wanting to pay it, he had not paid it over, but he was going to do so with another check for 35l., which he had then received; nothing of the kind—he did not say he was going to pay it that morning—he was searched—he had been into the City, and had received a check at that time—it was a crossed check—he had just returned, and was wet, but I think he had been down stairs and changed his things—when be came up, he was given into custody—he was searched—I believe there was more than 2l. 2s. 6d. found on him—I have the book here, with these items in it—the prisoner had access to this book, it was entirely under his control—if he had done his duty he would have put "paid" against these items, and crossed them off—he ought to have given the porter, who brought him the money, a check, and sent it to the cashier.

COURT. Q. Then he had no right to have this money at all? A. No; Way ought to have kept the money till he received a check from the prisoner, and taken the money to the cashier; but Way did not get the check from the prisoner.

WILLIAM HENRY HERBERT (policeman, A 307). The prisoner was given into my custody—in going to the station, I asked him what he had been up to—he said, "A mere song"—I said, "Well, come back; I will pay for the song myself "—he then said, "I have stolen 2l. odd."

COURT. Q. What did you mean? A. I thought he should not get into trouble for the sake of a song—I found on him two sovereigns and 5s. 6d.

Cross-examined. Q. Was he given into your custody by Mr. Burton, for robbing him? A. Yes; he did not say of what he had robbed him—in going along, the prisoner said it was a mere song—I believed that—I did not know what it was—I thought at first he had stolen a song—I thought Mr. Burton gave him in charge for stealing a song—I offered to pay for the song out of kindness to the man—I did not ascertain the value of the song before I offered to pay for it—I mean to swear that he said he had stolen 2l.—I remembered that when I was before the Magistrate.

ISAAC WAY re-examined. The prisoner did not give me anything at the time he sent me for the money, only the bill—he ought to have given me a

chock for it—I asked him for it—he did not give it me—I did not know that I ought not to give the money to the prisoner—the clerk's situation was superior to mine—when he gave me checks. I was in the habit of taking them to the cashier.


Reference Number: t18481023-2302

2302. JAMES HARE and CHARLES REHDEN , Stealing 4 shawls, value 4l. 10s.; the floods of Robert Turner.—Two other Counts, charging Rehden with receiving the same, and with harbouring Hare; to which

HARE pleaded GUILTY .

MR. CLARKSON conducted the Prosecution.

GEORGE, MEADOWS . I am assistant to Robert Turner, draper, of Ludgate-hill. On 19th Aug. the prisoner Hare came, and desired to see my master—I went up stairs and looked out four shawls—I brought them down and produced them to Hare—I gave him a memorandum of them—he said he was going into the country, and he had no doubt he could dispose of two of them, and that he would return the other two on the following Monday morning, thinking we might want them—he gave his address 11, King-square, Goswell-street—I made up the parcel, and he took it away—on the following Wednesday I went to 11, King-square, and Hare was not known there—he never came with the shawls as he said he would—these are the shawls (produced).

WILLIAM VINCENT . I am assistant to Thomas Norton Brown, a pawnbroker, in Fetter-Jane. I produce two shawls, which were pawned on 19th Aug., by Hare, for 1l.

JAMES HENRY STEWARD . I am assistant to Mr. Kirkham, a pawnbroker, in the Strand. I produce two shawls, pawned on 19th Aug—I do not know by whom—this is the duplicate that was given—it did not strike me as strange, they being new—Hare has been in the habit of pawning for several years—we believed him to be a draper.

HENRY WEBB (City-policeman, 258). I produce the memorandum of Mr. Turner's assistant, which 1 found in a portmanteau, at 10, Powell-street West, King-square, Goswell-street.

MICHAEL HAYDON (City-policeman, 21). At eleven o'clock on Tuesday morning, 3rd Oct. I met Rehden, at the Red Lion public-house, St. John-street-road—I had an appointment, made by himself, to meet him there, for the purpose of receiving information from him where to take Hare, and obtain the property which had been obtained by Hare (his uncle) under false pretences—having met Rehden, he said to me, "If you will place at once in my hand three sovereigns, I will give you information that will enable you to take Hare into custody-tody"—I said, "If you also enable me to recover the property, I will do so"—the property amounted, he said, to about 100l.—I said, "Very well, I will do so"—I gave him the three sovereigns, and he turned round and laughed at me, and said, "You may go 10 the station-house, and there you will find him"—I asked him for my money—he refused to give it one, and said, "You may do your best, you may do your worst"—I said I should take him to the station-house, and charge him with obtaining three sovereigns from me under false pretences—I took him into custody, to the Bow-Lane station—I went to 10, Powell-street West—Rehden gave his address there—he did not tell me what room he occupied—some person in the house told me he lodged there, but the room was not pointed out—I went to a room on the second-floor, I think, a back room—a young woman pointed out a portmanteau to me in that room—I found in it sixty or seventy duplicates, amongst which were those of the pawnbrokers' who have been examined

—I also found this paper—I do not know whose writing it is—I have seen Rehden write—I believe the words "read" and "private," which are indorsed on the outside, are his writing—this list contains an account of all the property taken by Hare—when Rehden made an appointment to meet me to give his uncle into custody, he gave me this card, "Mr. C. Rehden, Powell-street West, Goswell-road, No. 10."

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. How often have you seen Rehden write? A. Only once, that was on the Monday evening preceding the Tuesday on which he was taken into custody—he then wrote bis name—it was in the parlour of a public-house—that was all I saw him write—he wrote the name, "C. Rehden," to the best of my belief—he wrote it with his left hand—he has no right hand—he lost his right arm in some employment, and has been since living with his mother—I did not want him to betray his uncle—I gave him the three sovereigns, to give me information to recover the property—I did not know that Hare was his uncle—I find Hare has been dealing in matters of this kind for a number of years.

MARY ANN REHDEN . I am the prisoner's mother. I live at 10, Powell-street West, King-square. My son lived in that house, on 19th Aug.—I have a daughter—on 3rd of Oct., when Haydon came, my daughter pointed out to him a back room on the second-floor—that was not the room which my son occupied—he occupied the back parlour—there was a portmanteau pointed out by my daughter—that had been taken out of the parlour and carried up stairs—it belonged to my son James—my son Charles has no portmanteau—the indorsement on this paper is my son's writing—the list is not his writing.

(Mr. Clarkson here withdrew from the prosecution.)


Reference Number: t18481023-2303

2303. JAMES HARE and CHARLES REHDEN were again indicted for stealing 18 yards of satin, value 6l. 8s. 4d.; the goods of Edward Swan.—Two other Counts, charging Rehden with receiving the same, and with habouring Hare; to which

HARE pleaded GUILTY .

MR. CLARKSON conducted the Prosecution.

MICHAEL HAYDON (City-policeman, 21). There had not been any advertisement of the goods obtained by Hare, or any reward offered; but on the day previous to his being taken, Rehden went to one of the gentlemen, and said that a third person knew where the property was.

MATTHEW PENTONY . I am assistant to Mr. Edwin Swan. On 4th Sept. Hare called at his warehouse, and stated that he wanted to look at some satins—while I was showing them, Mr. Wright came in, and entered into conversation with Hare—Hare said he wanted some satins for bonnets to show to a customer, on sale or return, and Mr. Wright remarked that one of them was too rich for bonnets—Hare was permitted to have six yards in one piece, and twelve yards and a half in another, on sale or return—he never returned them, or gave any account of the sale of them—I never saw him again till he was in custody—he gave his address, 23, King-square, Goswell-btreet—I inquired there afterwards, and found he did not live there.

WILLIAM VINCENT . I am assistant to Mr. Brown, a pawnbroker. I produce some satin, which I took in of Hare, on 5th Sept., for 18s.—this is the duplicate of it—I have some which he pawned on 4th Sept. for 1l.—this is the duplicate I gave of it, and this is the satin.

THOMAS BARRETT . I am assistant to Mr. Bulworthy, a pawnbroker. I took in this satin of Rehden on 6th Sept.—I advanced a sovereign on it—I

have known him ns a customer about four years—his address was Charles Rehden, 6, Powell-street.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE Q. What he pawned before was his wearing-apparel? A. Yes, to the best of my recollection.

MICHAEL HAYDON re-examined. I found in the portmanteau, in the house 10, Powell-street West, a great many duplicates, and among them two of the duplicates of these three pawnbrokers for this satin—I knew Rebden some months ago—I found one of these duplicates on Rehden—it is of the satin pawned by flare, on 4th Sept., for 18s.

MARY ANN REHDEN . The evidence I have previously given is the truth.

Cross-examined. Q. How old is your son? A. He was twenty yesterday—he lost his arm at De la Rue's, in some part of the machinery—since that he has collected money, and has got what employ he could—he was with his uncle about two years ago—Hare was in a large way of business—he has always been taught to consider his uncle as a person he was to look up to—Hare never brought these articles to my house—he called and asked me to allow him to leave a portmanteau there—he said he was in view of a situation.


Reference Number: t18481023-2304

2304. JAMES HARE was again indicted for stealing 4 capes, value 9l. 8s.; the goods of Stafford Northcote and another: also, 2 shawls, 3l. 2s.; the goods of William Edgar and others: also, 2 shawls, and other goods, 5l. 6s.; the goods of John Mair, and others: also, 15 1/4 yards of satinette, 3l. 1s. 8d.; the goods of Robert Turner; and CHARLES REHDEN , feloniously receiving the same, and harbouring Hare; to all of which

HARE pleaded GUILTY . Aged 37.— Transported for Fourteen Years .

MR. CLARKSON offered no evidence against


Reference Number: t18481023-2305

2305. THOMAS COSTELLO , stealing 63 brooches, and other goods, value 17l.; the goods of Alexander Duredure, his master.

ALEXANDER DUREDURE (through an interpreter). The prisoner was in my employ, to sell fancy goods—I employed him to sell these sixty-three brooches, and other articles, on 25th Sept.—he went out in the morning, and never returned—he ought to have returned about two or three o'clock—I met him about three weeks afterwards, in Islington, and gave him into custody—these produced are part of my property—the prisoner had property that day to the amount of 80l. or 100l.—he returned all except about 18l.-worth.

WILLIAM HUNT . I am a pawnbroker—I produce some brooches pawned by the prisoner.

ARTHUR HOLGATE . I am in the employ of Mr. Attenborough, a pawn-broker. I produce these combs, pawned by a person resembling the prisoner—this is the duplicate I gave.

CHARLES KING (policeman, N, 407). I found some other property on the prisoner, which the prosecutor identifies, and the duplicates of the combs.

Prisoner's Defence. I was only in his employ on the Friday; he gave me 5s. one day, and 2s. 6d. another.

GUILTY . Aged 23.— Confined Six Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2306

2306. WILLIAM ELLEN and JOHN HENRY PRIDE , stealing 4 pairs of boots, 3 bracelets, and 1 bag, value 5l. 7s.; the goods of Emanuel Van Vliet.

EMANUEL VAN VLIET . I live in Sherrard-street, Golden-square. Pride was my shop-boy—I employed him to shut the shop up—he would bring the key to me when he had shut it—I was called down by my wife at a quarter past nine o'clock on the 29th Sept.—I found the door open, and missed the goods stated—these articles produced are mine—three pairs of boots were given up.

Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. Did Pride live in your house? A. No—I do not know whether after he had brought up the key he went out for beer; he might have done so—he came to me the next morning as usual, and I told him to go with me to the Police-court, and he did—I found the staple of my shop was forced—it might have been taken out before.

HENRY PALMER (police-sergeant, E 511). On the 29th Sept., about ten o'clock at night, I saw Ellen with a blue bag on his back in Newman-street, Marylebone—there was another lad with him who I believe was Pride, but I am not positive—I followed them, and when they saw I was following them, the one who I believe was Pride turned back—I went up and asked Ellen what he had got—he said, "Boots"—I took him and the boots—when he got to the station, he said he came from Mr. Van Vliet, in Sherrard-street, and he had sent him to a gentleman—I found that was not true.

JOSEPH LAMBERT (policeman, E 134). I was on duty that night near the prosecutor's premises—I saw the two prisoners together.

Ellen's Defence. I was going along the road, and this young man asked me to carry them.

ELLEN— GUILTY. Aged 18. Recommended to mercy Confined Three Months.

PRIDE— GUILTY. Aged 19. Recommended to mercy Confined Four Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2307

2307. JOHN SOUTH , stealing 13lbs. weight of ham, value 7s.; the property of Charles Ellis: and CHARLES RICHARD JOHNSON , feloniously receiving the same.

CHARLES ELLIS . I keep a public-house at Islington. I had a ham which I saw safe a few days before it was brought to me, which was on a Thursday—I do not know the day of the month—it was mine—this is it (produced).

Johnson. Q. What do you swear to it by? A. By the marks on it—here is a cut where I cut it out of the side of bacon myself.

GEORGE COLLINS (policeman, N 59). I saw Johnson with South carrying this ham through Canonbury-square, on the 22d Sept. last—I crossed over, and South ran away—Johnson threw the ham in the road, and it was caught by another officer—I stopped Johnson.

WILLIAM SMART . I am in the prosecutor's service—I saw South in my master's house, on the 21st Sept., from between eight and nine till twelve o'clock—I know Johnson well, but he was not there that night.

Johnson. Q. Did you ever see me in your house? A. No.

THOMAS WITHERS (policeman, N 211). I was along with Collins—I took up the ham.

GEORGE WADDINGTON . I am gaoler of Clerkenwell—Johnson was remanded, and when South was brought in custody he stated that Johnson knew nothing of the robbery, that he merely gave it him to carry while he was going to a coffee-shop.

Johnson's Defence. I was taking a walk that evening, and this young man asked me to carry the ham for him.

(Johnson received a good character.)

SOUTH— GUILTY . Aged 30.—JOHNSON— GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Three Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2308

2308. WILLIAM OSBORN, SAMUEL PLEDGER , and GEORGE CORBOULD , stealing 1 bushel and a half of oats, beans, and chaff value 2s. 6d.; the goods of Andrew Inderwick and others, the maters of Osbern and Pledger; to which

CORBOULD pleaded GUILTY . Aged 14.— Confined Three Months.

ROBERT BLORE . I am in the service of Andrew Inderwick and others—Osborn and Pledger were in their service.

GEORGE BISHOP (policeman, B 307). On Tuesday evening, 3d oct, I was sent to watch the stable where the prisoners work—I placed myself in a garden opposite the stable-door—a few minutes before seven o'clock, Corbould came out of the stable and went up the mews—he came back in about ten minutes with what appeared to me to be an empty sack on his arm—he went into the stable, and one of the other prisoners went into the adjoining stable with a broom—he came back and went into his own stable, and the door was partly closed—Osborn came to the door, and looked out—he then went in, and then Pledger came and looked out—then Osborn came and looked out again, and then Corbould came out with this bag on his shoulder—Osborn saw him up the mews some distance, and then he went into the stable—I directly went and took Corbould and the sack—it contains oats, beans, and chaff—I have compared them with the oats, beans, and chaff in the stable, and they correspond—the other prisoners said they knew nothing about it, and they were away from the stable by seven o'clock, but it was twenty minutes past seven when I took Corbould.

HENRY BISHOP . I am foreman to the prosecutor—I know the stable—the prisoners worked there, and no one else—I have examined this property—I believe it to be my employers.

(The prisoners received good characters.)

OSBORN— GUILTY . Aged 32.—PLEDGER— GUILTY . Aged 31.— Cofined Three Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2309

2309. THOMAS PHILLIPS , stealing 1 cask of beer, value 1l. 10s.; the goods of Sir Henry Meux and another, his masters; and WILLIAM CREMAR , feloniously receiving the same; to which

PHILLIPS pleaded GUILTY . Aged 24.

CREMAR pleaded GUILTY . Aged 53.

Judgment Respited.

Reference Number: t18481023-2310

2310. ARTHUR PEAD , stealing 3 oxen, value 45l., and 9 sheep, 15l.; the property of John Robert Youl: 2nd COUNT, feloniously receiving the same.

MR. PARNELL conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN ROBERT YOUL . I am a butcher, and live in the Minories. I have some land at Plaistow, in Essex—I had three oxen and ten sheep in the Four-acre field—I saw them safe at four o'clock in the afternoon, on the 11th Sept.—I saw them again on the 15th Sept., in a stable or shed belonging to the prisoner, in Rawstorne-place, City-road, between eight and nine—I was with the inspector—I have since seen the skins of eight of my sheep (I lost nine sheep) at a fellmonger's in Russell-street, Bermondsey—after the prisoner had been examined before the Magistrate, I went to the cell where he was—he said to me, "Mr. Youl, I don't wish to keep you out of your property; the nine sheep were slaughtered by Mr. Pritchard, and the carcases were sent to Mr. Chandler, a meat-salesman in Newgate-market; any time you like to call, you can have a check or the money for them."

BARTHOLOMEW HAMMOND . On 11th Sept. I was in the neighbourhood of Castle public-house, at Holloway—a young man came and spoke to me,

and I went to the Eastern Counties Railway—the next morning he met me, and I went with him to Plaistow—he pointed out a field, in which there were oxen and sheep, and, in consequence of directions he gave me, I drove the oxen and sheep to the Angel, in the City-road—I there saw the prisoner—he came before the beasts—I asked him what he was going to do with them—(the young man had come away from Plaistow before me; he was behind me, and told me it was all right)—the prisoner told me to drive the sheep slowly on, and he and the young man drove away the beasts—I went on slowly, and at Pentonville chapel I saw the prisoner and the young man again—they gave me some beer, and I took the sheep on to Tuffnel-park—the young man wanted to take them there to grass, but they would not take them in—the prisoner marked the sheep with red ochre, and he told me to meet him the next morning, at the Bald-faced Stag, to drive some sheep for him—he paid me 4s.—I afterwards gave information to Mr. Youl.

THOMAS HOLMES (police-inspector.) I went on Friday, 15th Sept., to a shed in Rawstorne-street—I found three oxen locked up—I ascertained that a person named Burgess had let the shed to Mr. Turpin—I went there, and got the prisoner's name and address—Smith brought the prisoner to me at the shed—I charged him with stealing these three beasts and nine sheep, the property of Mr. Youl—he said, "I am a fool, I always shall be a fool; I got these beasts for another man, and the sheep too; who he is I don't know"—I asked who he was—he said he did not know his name nor his address.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. Did he not say he was afraid he had got himself into trouble? A. I do not remember that—he had some sheep and oxen in the shed—I heard the sheep had been driven there in the daytime—I have heard of the name of Beeson, but I have never seen, and cannot find such a man.

WILLIAM SMITH (policeman K 220.) I took the prisoner to the shed, where the prosecutor and the inspector were—he made a great deal of resistance—when I told him I was a police-constable, he said, "I know all about it"—I took him into a baker's shop, and kept him till another officer came—he said he had got into a d—d mess, and it would cost him a d—d deal of trouble to get out—he said, "All that that lad knows about it is, that he drove the sheep, and I paid him."

HENRY TURPIN . I am a tobacconist. I am owner of the shed that has been spoken of—the prisoner was in the occupation of it—he had had it about five months—he gave me the name of Arthur Page—I did not know him under any other name.

JAMES PRITCHARD . I am a butcher, and live at Camden-town. On 13th Sept. the prisoner came to me, and asked me if I could kill some sheep and beasts; he did not say who for—he said there were nine or ten sheep, and three or four beasts—I undertook to do it, and asked him where the carcases were to go to—he said, "When I send the beasts here to-morrow I will send you word"—I never saw the prisoner afterwards—a boy brought the sheep, and this order—I sent the sheep to Mr. Chandler, in Newgate-market—that according to the direction of this order—(read)—"Sept. 14, 1848. Mr. Pritchard, be good enough to slaughter the nine sheep I send you as soon as convenient, and send them to Chandler's. I will call on you on my return from the country. WILLIAM BEESON. "

(George Vauter and John Hare, of Hackney-road, gave the prisoner a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 30.— Transported for Seven Years .

Reference Number: t18481023-2311

2311. GEORGE ROKINS , stealing 2 razors and 1 knife, value 3s.; the goods of George Bray: and CHARLES THOMAS COTTERELL for feloniously receiving the same: to which

ROKINS pleaded GUILTY . Aged 14.— Confined Ten Days, and whipped.

GEORGE BRAY I live at Finchley, and am a carrier. A parcel was given to my man, Smith, on 23rd Sept.—I saw it in my cart, and afterwards lost it.

THOMAS BRAY . I went to Eagle-strect, Holborn. I saw Rokins—I asked him what he had done with the parcel that was lost from my brother's cart—he denied all knowledge of it—his mother told him to go and get his shoes on—he then said Charley over the way had got it—I went to Cotterell's, and asked whether lie had two razors and a knife—he said, "No"—I said he must go with me—when I called the policeman, he said he had the two razors, but not the knife.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. He sent his wife for them? A. Yes—I think it was between eight and nine o'clock at night—I heard him say at the station something about some money being owing to him, and he had the razors for that.

JOHN GOLDEN . These razors are mine—I sent them by Bray's cart.


Reference Number: t18481023-2312

2312. ANN RYLEY , stealing 1 purse, value 6d.; I half-crown. 2 shillings, and 1 sixpence; the property of Henry Smith, from his person; having been before convicted.

HENRY SMITH . I am a tailor, and live at Lambert-hill, Doctors'-commons On 13th Oct. I was in Aldersgate-street—the prisoner and another femal came to me—the other took hold of my collar—tiic prisoner put her hand into my pocket, and took out my purse, which had two shillings, a six pences, and a half-crown—one of them ran one way, and the other another—this is my purse (produced).

ELIZA PRICE . I am a searcher—the prisoner was brought to the station—I found this purse on her, and 3d. in halfpence.

Prisoner's Defence. I had that purse a month before he gave me in custody; he said this purse was like his, but his had no beads.

WILLIAM JOHN HEAVES (City-policeman, 266). I took the prisoner on the night after the robbery—she had this purse on her.

HENRY SMITH re-examined. This is my purse, but it had no bead on it when I lost it—I can swear the prisoner is the woman—I could not follow them then, but she was taken the next night.

WILLIAM JOHN HEAVES re-examined. The prisoner called a witness before the Magistrate to prove that he gave her the purse—he was examined on that subject—the Magistrate asked him the colour of the purse—he described it is quite different to this.

WILLIAM CONSTABLE . I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction at Clerkenwell—(read—Convicted May, 1847, and confined three months)—the prisoner is the person.

GUILTY . Aged 21.— Transported for Seven Years .

Reference Number: t18481023-2313

2313. MARGARET MITCHELL , stealing 1 piece of printed Paper value 1/2 d., and 3 sovereigns and 1 half-sovereign; the property of Thomas Jackson, from his, person: and MARY BURNS feloniously receiving the same.

THOMAS JACKSON . On Saturday night, 8th Oct., abont a quarter before twelve o'clock, I was going down Victoria-street, Mitchell spoke to me, and I went with her to a public-house—we had a quartern of gin—I had then three sovereigns and two half-sovereigns wrapped in a North-Western time-paper, it being ray intention on Sunday morning to go to Liverpool by the soven-o'clock train—I went to that paper to pay for the gin, and put the paper in ray left-hand trowsers pocket, and buttoned it up—I then went with Mitchell to a house in a court in Field-lane—I agreed to give her 1s. 6d. For the night's lodging—I went to bed with her—when I went in, there was a candle in the room, and a child in the bed—I then undid the paper, and gave Mitchell 1s. 6d.—there was then 3l. 17s. 6d. left in the paper, and I put it in my pocket again—while I was there Burns came in, and asked for the money for the room—Mitchell said she would pay for that, and Burns left, taking the child with her—soon after I laid down with Mitchell, I found her hand in my pocket, grasping the paper—I said I would have none of that, and she made towards the door, dragging me with her—there was a great struggle—I called loudly for the police—Burns came to Mitchell's assistance, and the money was thrown to her—it fell on the ground, and one or more sovereigns fell out—Burns took it up, and made off with it, and escaped—I held Mitchell till the policeman arrived, and she was taken into custody—I returned to the house to find Burns, but there was no one in the house but a child—I went again between nine and ten o'clock in the morning—I found Burns and another woman and the child in the bed—I told Burns I wanted her—she made no remark—I told the officer to pick up the time-table in which my money had been, which was in the room.

Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. Where were you coming from? A. From the house I reside in, in Lambeth—I had a few things at a friend's, in the neighbourhood of Victoria-street, which I wanted to take to Liverpool—it was quite indifferent to me where I slept that night—I had had very little to drink—I was almost as sober as I am now—probably I might have called at two or three public-houses—I do not drink spirits—I had a young woman with me, whom I knew, when I went into one of the public-houses—I treated her—I then went into two houses by myself, and then met with Mitchell, and gave her 1s. 6d.—I am married, but 1 have not been with my wife for two years and nine months—I did not take my clothes off when I laid down with Mitchell—she had a candle, and that was knocked out—I was very ill-used.

CHARLES STREET (City policeman). I took Mitchell in charge.

WILLIAM LEE (City policeman). I took Burns in bed—I found this time-bill in the room—the prosecutor said the money was wrapped up in a London and North-Western paper.

MITCHELL— GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined One year .

BURNS— GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Nine Months.

NEW COURT.—Friday, Oct. 21th, 1848.


Before Mr. Recorder and the Fifth Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2314

2314. ELIZABETH ELSON , stealing 1 sheet, and other articles, value 7s. 10d., the goods of William Herring; to which she pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined One Month .

Reference Number: t18481023-2315

2315. WILLIAM GREGORY , and WILLIAM AUSTIN , stealing 4lbs. 10ozs. weight of mutton, value 2s. 3d.; the goods of John Sturch, the master of Gregory; to which

GREGORY pleaded GUILTY . Aged 23.

AUSTIN pleaded GUILTY . Aged—11.

Confined Three Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2316

2316. JOSHUA ALLUM , stealing 4 half-crowns, 3 shilling and 4 pence; the moneys of John Harris Heal, his master.

MR. CLARKSON conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM BULL . I am cashier to Mr. Heal, of Tottenham-court-road, a bedding manufacturer; the prisoner was in his service. On 10th Oct., about twelve o'clock, the prisoner asked me for 13s. 4d. to buy screws—I gave his four half-crowns, three shillings, and fourpence.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Was he in the habit of using screws in the business? A. Yes.

JOHN HARRIS HEAL . The prisoner was in my service—on 11th 0ct., about nine o'clock in the morning, I went to the prisoner at his work—I asked what screws he had bought the day before, and what he had given for them—he said he bought four gross at Messrs. Fields, in Broad-street, 8l. Giles, at 3s. 4d. a gross, that would be 13s. 4d.—I asked him to produce them—I counted two gross and four dozen, which he produced, and I knew he had used about three dozen, as he had been making a mattress-frame—I could count every screw that he had used; that would make up two gross and seven dozen—I am quite sure there were not three gross—I said he must produce the other gross—I went to Messrs. Fields, came back, and asked him again about them, and if he had bought them at Messrs. Fields—he said yes he had—I took him there—he pointed out Robert. Law, and said he bought them of him—Law denied that he had sold him any—the prisoner still persisted in his statement.

Cross-examined. Q. How many persons have you in your employ? A. About fifty—they are in separate shops—no one works where the prisoner docs—he has persisted all through in saying that the man sold him the screws.

ROBERT LAW . I am in Messrs. Fields' service, of Broad-street, St. Giles, ironmongers. On 11th Oct., Mr. Heal brought the prisoner to me—I had not sold him any screws on the day previous—I saw the pattern screw of what he said he had bought—the price of them was 2s. 5d. a gross.

Cross-examined. Q. How many persons serve in your shop? A. Four—a good many persons come for nails, screws, and other things—I am not sure that I did not sell any screws on the 9th—I might have sold some on the 10th, but not the quantity that he says—the only screws sold that day for cash, were three or four dozen.

JAMES HARRIS HEAL re-examined. I searched through Messrs. Fields' books of the day before, and these screws were not entered—the prisoner should not have been in want of screws at that time.


Reference Number: t18481023-2317

2317. HENRY ROSE , stealing 8 oil-pipes, value 3l. 10s. the goods of James Houghton and others; having been before convicted.

MR. BALLANTINE conducted the Prosecution.

SAMUEL COOMBS (City-policeman, 16). On 13th Sept., I received informatim, and about three o'clock saw a van in Aldersgate-street, with the name of Groves on it—I followed it—it turned down Jewin-crescent, and remained

there a short time—it then went up Redcross-street, down Lower Whitecross-street, into Messrs. Houghton and Sons' yard—Groves was with it—in about five minutes he spoke to the prisoner, who was standing in front of a public-house in Lower Whitecross-street—he then went up the yard, returned, and he and the prisoner talked again, went up the yard together, and loaded the van with empty casks, called pipes—I did not see any of Messrs. Houghtons' men about—I could not tell how many casks were loaded—Groves led the van out of the yard; the prisoner walked down at the same time—when it got out Groves got up, and drove it off as fast as he could towards Bishopsgate-street—when the prisoner came out of the yard, he ran across the road sharply, and escaped—I followed the goods—he van stopped in "Widegate-Widegatethe prisoner went into Mr. Godfrey's, and talked to him about half a minute; I saw him close to the van—the van backed into a little street, and went into Half Moon-street, where the casks were unloaded by Groves and others—I took Groves—I took the prisoner afterwards, near Manning-tree, in Essex, about sixty-one miles from London—I said I wanted him for the casks—he said, "I will go quietly with you, I am in it, and must get out of it; I am regularly dragged into it"—he said, "Is Godfrey indicted"—I said, "No"—he said he had known Mr. Godfrey some years.

ROBERT GEORGE THURSTON . I am warehouseman to James Houghton and sons, of Bartholomew-close—the prisoner was in their employ—he left in July, I believe—we keep empty oil-pipes in a yard in Whitecross-street—the priosner would know that—I saw eight oil-casks at the station—they were Messrs. Houghtons', and had been in that yard—rthe prisoner had no right to remove them—there were eight of them—they were worth about 64s.

JOHN GODFREY . I am a cooper, and, have lived in Widegate-street, Bishopsgate, for forty years. About 15th Sept. a person came into my shop, in a hurried way, about three or four o'clock in the afternoon—he said he had got some pipes to sell—I believe it was the prisoner, but cannot swear to him—I said, "I cannot take them here, they must go to my place in Half Moon-street"—he said, "I will draw them over"—I said, "Do"—I went in about ten minutes, and they were out of the van—I said, "You have turned them out of the van very quickly"—some one said yes, they wanted the van to do another job—one of them was very inferior—I began to look them over, expecting the man would be over there who had come to my shop—I then saw the officer, who told me the pipes had been stolen from Messrs. Houghtons'—I went to the station, and they locked me up—I had never asked the price of the casks, nor had anything to do with them—I never saw the prisoner before, though there had been many of Mr. Houghton's carmen there to bring loads.

DAVID OWES . I am a labourer. I produce a certificate of the prisoner's conviction (read—"Convicted April, 1841, confined six months)—he is the man.

GUILTY . Aged 36.— Confined One Year.

Reference Number: t18481023-2318

2318. JOHN HADLAND was indicted for bigamy.

MR. PARNELL conducted the Prosecution.

HENRY HOLLAMBY . (policeman, C 135). I produce a copy of a register of marriage at St. Mary's, Islington, on 23rd Oct., 1842, and also of the register at St. Mary's, Mortlake, in Jan. 1848—they are correct.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Where did you get the first? A. At the parish church at Islington—I read it over word by word with the entry—it it correct. (The certificates were here read.)

JAMES GREGORY . I am a baker, in Little Britain. I was present at the marriage of Lucy Green and the prisoner, in Islington parish Church on 23rd Oct., 1842—I do not know what the-prisoner was—I think he was living at Barnes—Lucy Green was stopping at my sifter's at the time.

THOMAS AMON . I am a cabinet-maker, of Mortlake. I was at the pins-church of St. Mary, Mortlake, on 17th Jan., 1848—I saw Caroline Amelia Bassett married to the prisoner.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you seen her since? A. Yes, she was in the neighbourhood yesterday.

MARY ANN DUTT . I am a cousin of Lucy Green. I believe she is about thirty-one years old—I knew the prisoner as her husband—I saw him occasionally—he came to me last Feb., and wished me to tell his wife that he had been to sec his mother in the country fora fortnight, and that was why he did not call on Tuesday—he said he thought of having a situation, and said something about a home—his wife is alive—I saw her yesterday.

GUILTY . Aged 25.— Confined Six Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2319

2319. JAMES STRADNEY , stealing 1 pail, and other articles, value 5s. 6d.; the goods of William John Tomlinson, his master.

WILLIAM JOHN TOMLINSON . I am a lighterman—the prisoner was in my service at 8s. a week—his perquisites were 5s. or 6s. a week more. On 8th Sept. I missed from the barge-house a pail, horse-cloth, bradawl, hammer, and nails—I said to the prisoner, "It is very strange that every time I come here I miss something; do you know anything about these things?"——he said, "No"—I said, "I hope I shall detect the thief—he said, "I hope we shall"—on the ninth I asked him if he had lent the things to anybody—he said, "No"—I said, "I discharged a man last week for robbing me of rase: white had, and if I find the person who has taken these I will punish him; I fancy you have been robbing me"—I went to his lodging with him—the door was shut—he said he had not got the key—I told him to push it open—I went in and saw these nails (produced) they are mine—he said he bought them on the 'Dials'—I then found the pail, the horse-cloth, and other things—he said, "Forgive me this time"—I said, "I will not; I have discharged people through you; I will give you in charge"—I went down stairs, and he made his escape.

EDWARD MCEVOY . I have been convicted, and sent to Brixton—I am in the prosecutor's service—the prisoner did not borrow any of these thing of me.

JOSEPH GENTRY (policeman, F 150.) On 25th Sept. I took the prisoner—he said these things had been lent to him by M'Evoy.

Prisoner's Defence. I borrowed the hammer, and awl, and pail of M'Evoy—I had no nails.

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined One Month .

Reference Number: t18481023-2320

2320. EDWARD SMITH and JOHN PLUMPTON , stealing 6 forks and other articles, value 1—l/—. 5—s/—.; the goods of James Davidson; smith having been before convicted; to which

SMITH pleaded GUILTY . Aged 17— Confined One Year .

GEORGE DIXON MEAD (policeman, V 156). On 27th Sept., I saw Smith coming without his shoes from 1, Lansdown-villas, with this basket concealed under his coat—I took hold of him—hr threw it into the road, turned to Plumpton, who was just by, and said, "Joe, go it," and tlrew away some

plums and apples, such as Plumpton had on his barrow—Plumpton made off—I followed him, and told another officer to take him—a pair of boots were found on his barrow, which Smith claimed at the station.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Was Plumpton about four doors off when Smith spoke to him? A. Yes; and then his barrow moved off—Plumpton did not run from his barrow—he said he did not know anything about the boots, and his name was not Joe.

WILLIAM BARBER (policeman, V 258). I took Plumpton to the station—these boots fell from under his barrow going along—I said, "What boots are these?"—he said, "I don't know anything of them"—I took them up, and took them to the station, and when I got there Smith said, "These are my boots."

SARAH SIMMONDS . I am servant to Mrs. Cooper, of 1, Lansdown-cottages. The plate in this basket is Mr. James Davidson's, who has part of the bouse—they were under ray caie, and were kept in a cupboard in the front-parlour, which ivas shut, but not locked—a person who got in the garden-gate could get into the stone-passage, and into the parlour.


Reference Number: t18481023-2321

2321. JOHN HAYES , stealing 1 handkerchief, value 3s.; the goods of Richard Parker, from his person; having been before convicted.

RICHARD PARKER . I am a carrier, at the New Inn, Old Bailey. On 14th Oct. I felt a pull at my pocket, in Smithfield, and on turning round I saw my handkerchief fall to the ground, and some one run away—I picked it up—I could not recognize the prisoner as the person who ran away—I should not have appeared against the person if I had been aware that three months would not have been sufficient—I would not appear against a man for stealing a pocket-handkerchief, when I am robbed every day by the rich, and cannot button up my pockets against them.

CHARLES ALBERT (City-policeman, 282). On 14th Oct. I was on duty in Smithfield, about eight o'clock—I saw the prisoner take a handkerchief out of Mr. Parker's pocket—I was two yards from him—Mr. Parker called, "Police!"—the prisoner dropped it—I pursued him all round the market—my brother officer took him.

Prisoner. Q. How could you see behind Mr. Parker? A. I was in a door-way; Mr. Parker came opposite to me—I couid sec both behind and before him—this is the handkerchief—I got it from Mr. Parker.

RICHARD PARKER re-examined. I cannot say that this is my handkerchief—I have no doubt of it, but I do not see any mark—I gave the handkerchief that I saw drop to the officer.

WILLIAM FRUIN (City-policeman, 276). I saw the prisoner running towards Long-lane, and stopped him—he must have run nearly 300 yards as fast as he could.

JOSEPH DALTON (City-policeman, 366). I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction—(read—Convicted Jan., 1848, and confined three months)—he is the person.

GUILTY . *. Aged 19.— Transported for Seven Years .

Reference Number: t18481023-2322

2322. JANE CHALTON and JAMES LANGLEY , stealing 1 pocket-book, 3 shirt-studs, and 9 medals, value 2s. 1d.; the goods of Wilfred Rennell; and 66 spoons, and other articles, value 79l. 5s.; the goods of William Weir Marshall, the master of Chalton, in his dwelling-house.

MR. HUDDLESTON conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM WEIR MARSHALL . I am a bookseller and stationer, of 2l., Edgware-road, in the parish of St. Marylebone. On 1st Sept. I went with my wife into the country—I left Chalton in my house—she had been my service about four months—I had a character with her—I have since this robbery spoken to her about the character—she said she had not lived with the person who pave it her—I had written a letter to Lymington, and re-ceived a letter with the Lymington post mark on it, in consequence of which I took her—part of the plate was kept in a drawer, in a chest of drawers on the second floor, and the rest Chalton had charge of—I received information, I returned to town, and missed sixty-six silver spoons, a silver skewer, some clothes, sugar-tongs, boots, and other things.

THOMAS GIDDINGS . I am a police-constable of Warminster. I took Langley on 16th Sept.—I found this ring on his finger, and this gold pin in his neckcloth—he had this pilot coat on, and a bundle containing a shirt, and two other articles—there were a pair of black trowsers—I found on him a gold chain, three handkerchiefs, and 5l. 10s. 5 1/2 d. in money—I told him the charge—he said he bought these three handkerchiefs in Frome.

CAROLINE BROWN . I live at 64, Charlotte-street, King's-cross. Langley lodged at my house—the officer came there to search—there was a box in Langley's room which I believe was his—it did not belong to anybody else in the house—a woman was with him.

CHARLES BENNETT (police-sergeant, D 18). On 19th Sept., I searched Langley's lodgings, No. 64, Charlotte-street, King's-cross, and found in a box a number of keys—I saw this key produced by Pierce, which was in a drawer in the prosecutor's house in which the plate was kept, it is similar to one of those—I received these boots from Mrs. Moore, 47, Sidney-street, on 20th Sept.—this waistcoat and gold pin I got from Churchill about 24th Sept., and this wooden-box from Ann Lewis about 26th Sept.—here is a skeleton key amongst those I found in the box; it has been filed and altered from its original form.

JAMES PIERCE (police-sergeant, D 26). On the night of 4th Sept., Chalton told me the house had been robbed—I searched it all over, and in the second floor back room I found this skeleton key in the lock of a drawer—Chalton said the best plate was always kept there, and that they had broken open her box and stolen 30s., and some boots of Mr. Marshall's bad been stolen from his bed-room—no part of the house was broken—Chalton said she could not tell how it was done.

Chalton. I did not say the plate was kept in that drawer; I said I did not know—where it was kept, except what was in my bed-room. Witness. she said, "That is the drawer in which my mistress keeps the best plate"—I said, "Have you seen it out?"—she said, "No, it has not been out since the day of the christening."

CHARLES CHURCHILL . I am a cabinet-maker, of Upper Charlton-street, Fitzroy-square. On 4th Sept., I saw Langley at the Queen and Prince Albert, at the corner of Great Titchfield-street—he told me he had been at work in the Edgware-road, and his master had gone into the country, than he had paid him the money, but he had not finished the work, and left some tools there—he asked if I would go and fetch them for him between ten and eleven o'clock in the evening, because they would be given to me at that time out of the front shop as there was no side door—he could not go for them himself as he was quite lame—he could not carrv the bng—he was obliged

to walk with a stick—he and I went together that evening to Mr. Marshall's—we passed by the door three times—the third time the door was opened, ane Langley said, "It is all right"—I saw a female at the shop door—she was a short female, or else was stooping—she handed out to me a carpet bag—there appeared to be clothes in it—it did not appear heavy, or to have any quantity of tools in it—I carried it to the first corner above Mr. Marshall's, and there Langley called a cab—we got in and rode to Trinity Church, New-road—I got out, went home, and left Langley and the bag in the cab—he told me to call on him next day as he was going to the hospital—I did so—the carpet bag lay down by the fire-place, and in the room there were two pairs of black trowsers, a green velvet waistcoat, this other waistcoat, and a few tools under the table—I asked him if he had a waistcoat to give away as I had but two—he gave me this red silk one, and this gold pin which I afterwards gave to Bennett—I went with Langley to the hospital—we came back in a cab—when we got out I saw he had both gold and silver.

Langley. I told him to go at nine o'clock that evening. Witness. No; we were not to go till the shop was shut up—he said the shopman would be out when they gave me the carpet-bag.

JAMES DUCKBURY . I am errand-boy to the prosecutor. On the night of 4th Sept., when the bouse was said to be robbed, there was no female in the house but Chalton—no one else was in the house but me and Rennell the apprentice—I know Langley; he had been there on four successive Sundays to see Chalton—on one occasion, about two months previous to 4th Sept., I went into my bed-room, which is parted off from the kitchen, about one o'clock in the day, and saw Langley under my bed—Chalton cooks in the kitchen—she was down there—they could hear me run down.

Langley. Q. Did not Mrs. Marshall come down, and say some one had left the door open, and you told me to run into the bed-room, and you shut the door after me when I went in? A. No; I did not tell you to go in—I saw you under the bed; you were hid there, to prevent the family knowing you were in the kitchen.

CAROLINE BROWN re-examined. On 4th Sept. Langley was at home till five or six o'clock in the evening, when he went out, and returned about eleven—next day I saw trowsers and waistcoats in his room—I had never seen any there before—on the Tuesday or the Wednesday I saw that he had upwards of twenty sovereigns—on the Friday before that, the woman that was with him had borrowed some money of me—she had taken the room of me, in the name of Moore—I did not know Langley by any other name than Moore—I did not ask him his name—I had not seen him with any money before that—he was to pay 3s. 9d. a week for his lodging—he paid me on the Monday evening, and he had paid me for three weeks before, I believe—I was never in the room till the Tuesday morning—they lived in the same room, as man and wife.

Langley. On 22nd August I received 33l. Witness. I never saw it.

ANN LEWIS . I live at Stockwell—Langley came to my house on a Tuesday—he took this box from a carpet-bag, and said, "Mrs. Lewis, which of your children is most deserving of this box?"—I said, "Which you please"—he paused, and said, "Supposing I give it to you"—I said, "Thank you, I will take care of it; is it one of your own making?"—he said it was—he is god-father to one of my children, and he gave that child this pocket-book and these three shirt-studs—he had some gold—there were some coins in the box, and he gave them to mv eldest daughter.

CHARLES BENNETT re-examined. This pocket-book and studs were in this box when I found it at Mrs. Lewis's.

WILFRED RENNELL . I am apprentice to Mr. Marshall—when he went to Lewes, there was no one in his house but me, Chakon, and Duckbury after eight o'clock in the evening, on 4th Sept.—this box, pocket-book, studs, and coins are mine—the studs were in a little pill-box, which was in this box—it was kept in the cherfonier, in the drawing-room, not locked up—anybody could get at it—I do not know that Cbalton knew where they were.

Chalton. You know that I knew where these things were; you had robbed your master not long before, and these things were taken from you. Witness. I had robbed my master of some money from the till a few davs before—these things were taken from me in consequence, and put aside in the cheffonier—I was in the kitchen sometimes—I never saw Langley there—I did not stay in the house on Sundays.

CHARLES GREGORY . I am a policeman, of Warminster. I produce a pair of braces and some handkerchiefs which I took from Langley's person—this black handkerchief I found in a carpet-bag, at his father's house.

HENRY HALL . I am in the employ of a pawnbroker. I produce a waistcoat, pawned on 11th Sept.—I do not recollect by—whom.

SARAH MOORE . I am Langley's sister. He gave me this waistcoat a few days before he went into the country, and the boots also—I gave them to Bennett.

WILLIAM WEIR MARSHALL re-examined. This pilot coat, gold pin, gold ring, and other articles are mine—they were all in my house when I left—my plate was kept in a drawer, in the room in which the officer found the key—I know nothing about the key found in it—it would require no other key to effect the robbery—I had a green velvet waistcoat, which is not produced—I did not know of Langley's visits—I did not allow men to visit there—I never employed him.

GEORGE LE BLAQUIER . The prisoners lodged at my house twelve months ago—they occupied one room, with another female—Langley had occupied the room about six months before Chalton—she was there about six weeks.

Chalton. I came backwards and forwards—I left part of my things there, but had a lodging elsewhere. Witness. She seemed to me to be constantly there—there were two children there—I considered Langley an honest, respectable tradesman.

Langley's Defence. I paid for these things.



Transported for fifteen Years .

Reference Number: t18481023-2323

2323. WILLIAM FAIREY , was indicted for embezzlement.

MR. SLEIGH conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN HENRY FILLING . I am in the service of George William Turner, a grocer, of 215, Whitecross-street. I was instructed by him to watch the conduct of the other persons in his employ. On Sunday, 10th Sept., I was in the shop; the piisoner was there—it was his duty to serve customers—a woman came in for some tea and sugar—the prisoner served her—she gave him half-a-crown; he gave her the change, which he took from the till—he put the half-crown into his left-hand waistcoat-pocket—I was on the opposite side of the counter, and had a distinct opportunity of seeing what he did—next Sunday, 17th Sept., he was there—a woman came in and asked prisoner for some goods—he served her—she paid him a shilling—he gave her some change, which he took from the till, and put the shilling into his left

waistcoat-pocket—I dropped a box of lucifers, that I might have a better opportunity of seeing him—I told Truman, a fellow-shopman, to go and tell his master—I went to the top of the counter, by the prisoner's side—a policeman was called—my master said to him, in the prisoner's presence, "Take this young man in charge; he has been robbing me"—the prisoner said, "For God's sake forgive me! I have not robbed you."

Cross-examined by MR. PRENDERGAST. Q. How long have you been there? A. About six months—I lived with Mr. Hawkins before—I left him because 1 was out after Christmas time—it was not about a half-sovereign—my master did not miss a half-sovereign; he found one in a paper box, where half-sovereigns are not generally deposited—I did not tell my master about this half-crown, I thought I would ask advice from a friend, who is a grocer—he said I should see something more taken—I had made an arrangement with the other shopman first—I do not Icdow whether the prisoner sometimes watched me—he has not said so.

WILLIAM JOHN TRUMAN . I am shopman to Mr. Turner. On 17th Sept. a woman came in for goods—the prisoner served her—they came to 7d.—she gave him a shilling, which he placed in his left-hand waistcoat-pocket, with his right hand—I was by his side, about half a yard from him—he did not know that I was watching him—he gave her change from the till by my side—she left—I called to Filling, and said, "He has taken one more shilling," and he said, "Go and tell your master"—I did so—my master came out, and was informed that the prisoner had been robbing him—the prisoner said, "I hare not been robbing you, Mr. Turner; for God's sake, forgive me; I have not been robbing you"—he was given into custody.

Cross-examined. Q. As soon as the woman was gone out of the shop you mentioned it? A. Yes, just before she had gone—she might have seen him do it.

GEORGE WILLIAM TURNER . I am a grocer, of Whitecross-street. The prisoner was in my employ in Sept., as an occasional assistant on Saturday nights and Sunday mornings—I gave him half-a-crown on Sunday mornings—I did not think he was robbing me, but he is a bad accountant, and I told Filling to stand near him and watch him—on 17th Sept., about half-past nine o'clock, Truman spoke to me—I sent for a policeman, and said, "Take this man in charge"—the prisoner said, "For God's sake, forgive me; I have not robbed you"—I said, "I know all about it"—I saw thirteen separate shillings taken from his left-hand pocket, and one or two half-crowns—I let him go, as his little brother, who was coming to London, perhaps would have been lost—I have never had any cause to impeach the character of either of my other shopmen.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you know his brother? A. No—the prisoner asked me not to tell Mr. Hardy, a friend of his, but to let him tell him first—I saw Mr. Hardy, and I told him to arrange with the prisoner to call on me that night—I did not know till I saw Mr. Hardy whether I should have the prisoner taken or not—the prisoner has been on bail since—Mr. Hardy was his bail in the first instance—I think I have known the prisoner about eighteen months—he used to sleep in the house on Saturday nights—there was not money enough taken that morning to account for what was found on him.

EDWARD PIPE (police-sergeant G 9). On Sunday morning, 17th Sept., I was called to Mr. Turner's, who charged the prisoner with stealing a half-crown and a shilling—he said, "For God's sake, forgive me; I have not rubbed you"—this went on for twenty minutes—Mr. Turner said, "I know

you have robbed me; if you will acknowledge it, I will be a man of my word, I will not mention it"—I found in his left-hand waistcoat-pocket a dozen shillings, and two or three half-crowns; there was a hole at the bottom of it, and all the money had gone through.

Cross-examined. Q. His master had let him go, and all the moneys, was given back to the prisoner? A. Yes—there was other money in his other waistcoat-pocket, and a sovereign and some silver in one of his trowsers pockets and some silver in the other—it was all given back to him.


Reference Number: t18481023-2324

2324. WILLIAM FAIREY was again indicted for stealing 1 shilling, 2 pence, and 4 halfpence; the moneys of George William Turner, his master.

(No evidence was offered.)


Reference Number: t18481023-2325

2325. WILLIAM FAIREY was again indicted for stealing 4 halfpence, and 3 pence; the moneys of George William Turner, his master.

(No evidence was offered.)


Reference Number: t18481023-2326

2326. WILLIAM GRIMES , stealing 2 bronzed ornaments, value 2l. 5s.; the goods of Joseph Muller.

HENRY MULLER . I assist my father, Joseph Muller, a curiosity-dealer. On 26th Sept. I was in the kitchen under our shop—I could see person who entered the shop—I saw the prisoner come in—I ran up, and missed him, went out, and saw him in the next street—I overtook him—he threw one of these ornaments down, and ran away—I called, "Stop thief! Police!"—a policeman took him—I picked up one ornament, another person brought the others—they are my father's.

Cross-examined by MR. SLEIGH. Q. Has your father any partner? A. No—I do not suppose there were half-a-dozen persons there—there were no men walking the same way as the prisoner—I dare say he was sixty yards in advance of me—there was another person with him, who was on the other side of the way when he was seized—I do not think he had been on the same side as the prisoner; I did not see him—I did not halloo till I had turned the corner—I had seen these ornaments in the shop three or four hours before—I stooped to pick up one—that was not in the same street my father lives"in—I was perhaps a yard from the prisoner—I saw him go out of the shop.

JOHN BROOMFIELD (policeman, E 143). I saw the prisoner running is Wells-street, followed by Mr. Muller—I saw him drop one of these ornaments.

Cross-examined. Q. It was nearly dark? A. It was between six and seven o'clock—I am confident the prisoner dropped it—I was within three yards of him.

GUILTY . *† Aged 19.— Confined Six Months.

NEW COURT.—Saturday, October 28th, 1848.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Sixth Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2327

2327. HENRY SMITH , stealing 4 sheets, value 6s.; the goods of John Emanuel Watling: having been before convicted; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 42.— Confined One Year .

Reference Number: t18481023-2328

2328. FRANCES KENNY , stealing 1 shift and other articles, value 11s. 10d., the goods of Charles Samuel Smith, her master; to which she pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 15.— Confined Four Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2329

2329. THOMAS BIDDLE and CHARLES FARR , stealing 2 barrels and 72 gallons of beer, value 5l. 2s.; the goods of Sir Henry Meux and another, their masters.

MESSRS. CLARKSON and BALLANTINE conducted the Prosecution.

HENRY BATEMAN JENKINS . I am in the service of Sir Henry Meux an another. I had the management of the storehouse—the prisoners were in their service—Biddle had the management of a van; Farr was foreman under the loading clerk, to see that the drays were properly loaded—he would know, as a matter of course, what were the loads the drays should take out—on 9th Sept., about a quarter before eight o'clock in the morning, I gave Farr instructions about loading some beer, and what to do while. I was gone to breakfast—he suggested that Biddle's van and team were at liberty, and there was a load of sea-beer to go, I think, to Beresford's-wharf—he went to the storehouse, returned, and said they were not ready, but there were four puncheons and six hogsheads ready, which Biddle could take to Gun and Shot-wharf, Tooley-street—I left with him two delivery-notes, one for the four puncheons, and one for the six hogsheads, in the ordinary course of business—it would be Farr's duty to confine himself to the loading of the matters mentioned in the delivery orders—I did not instruct him to take any other articles by Biddle's van—I had given Potts instructions—I returned a few minutes before nine—Potts made a communication to me—I went to Gun and Shot-wharf, and found that the goods had been delivered—I did not find any other goods of ours there—at a quarter-past two that day I saw Biddle in the Brewery-yard—I asked him what he had brought back with him—he said, "Two kilderkins and one empty barrel"—I asked if he had brought any full casks—he said, "No"—I saw him again that evening near the brewery with his van and horse—I gave the van and horse to another man, called Biddle into the counting-house, and asked what he had done with two barrels of beer that he had taken in the morning loaded into the tail of his van—he denied having had them—I received from him his delivery-notes for the beer delivered at Gun and Shot-wharf, and it appeared that was delivered right—he gave me the difference between 10s. and the money which he had paid—I gave him into custody—I sent for Farr, and asked him two or three times what bad become of the two barrels he had loaded into Biddle's van—he denied having loaded any.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. "Did Farr go out after you spoke to him? A. Yes, I believe he went to the Hibernian-wharf with a load—when I spoke to him in the evening, his day's work was done—I had a policeman by me—according to Biddle's statement, he had been fifteen or sixteen years in Messrs. Meux's service—I suppose he had two horses that day.

Cross-examined by MR. PARNELL. Q. How long has Farr been in the service? A. I think nine or ten years—he came there shortly after me—he would take the beer from the storehouse to where the van was loaded—it was not his business to go out—he formerly was a drayman, but in consequence of bad health we gave him lighter work—he was principally in the storehouse—Biddle's, was the last load that was in when I left the premises—we send out a good many loads in a day.

CUTHBERT POTTS . I am master cooper in the service of Sir Henry Meux and Co. On 9th Sept. Mr. Jenkins told me to watch Biddle's van—four

puncheons, six hogsheads, and two barrels were put into it—Farr assisted to load it—the barrels were put at the end of the van on the near side; pitched up, standing on their head—I saw Biddle pitch one up; I cannot say who pitched up the other, or where Farr was at the time—I saw Farr with Bidlle after they were pitched up—I saw the van going across the yard, driven by Biddle; Farr followed it; I do not know how far, he was only away a few minutes—Biddle returned with it at ten minutes to one, with one empty barrel and two kilderkins—there was no full barrel of any size on it—Mr. Jenkins returned from breakfast, and I informed him.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. Were you at work? A. I was on the premises; I do not work—there was only Biddle's van loading at that time—I do not think there were any other vans in the yard; I will not swer there were not—I saw the hogsheads being put into the van—I cannot say who rolled them, or the puncheons, from the store-house—I saw only two men loading—I did not go into the store-house at that time—the first time I saw the barrels I saw Biddle pitch one up—the tail of the van comes level with the loading place, which is about the height of the body of the van—I only saw these two men in the yard at the time; the men were at their break-fast—they might be there, and I not see them—some of the men go home to breakfast, and some breakfast in the yard—they might be present though they were at breakfast—Biddle went out again in the afternoon, I cannot say how soon after—a man sometimes delivers two or three loads in a day—I think he had three horses—I could not see the quality of the beer in the barrels, the back-end was towards me—I do not know from what part of the store-houses it was taken, or how many barrels of beer were delivered from that part that day, or how many loads of beer went out from eight till ten o'clock.

Cross-examined by MR. PARNELL. Q. Where were you? A. On the opposite side of the yard, inside a counting-house, looking through window—I will not swear I was not a hundred yards from them—I did not see Ford or Wilkins helping to load; I saw nobody but Biddle and Farr—I did not see Farr load anything; I saw him there when they were loading—they got the puncheons up by rolling them—the van may be an inch or two higher than platform—they lay a pully, and roll up the puncheons and hogsheads—some hogsheads were pitched up, and some laid on their sides; but they were rolled into the van, and then the barrels were pitched up—I think the hogsheads that stood up were on the near-side, and the barrels behind them in the hind-part of the van—I saw the van go across the yard—I could not see the gate from where I was—there are two or three coffee-houses on the other side of the way.

MR. CLARKSON. Q. Would pitching them on their heads make more room? A. Yes—I did not see the beer come from the store-house, but Farr's duty was to see to the loading—he must know when it had got its full quantity—Biddle would know whether the orders corresponded with the quantity in his van—these ten might have laid down in the van, but to admit the other two it was? necessary that some should be pitched—I heard the offer made to the prisoners to have any men from the brewhouse they chose—they wished to have Wilkins—he came, and then they refused to examine him.

SAMUEL GARRETT . I am in the service of Sir Henry Meux and Co. On 9th Sept. I was at the brewery—I saw a van being loaded by Biddle—I saw four puncheons, six hogsheads, and then two barrels put into it—Farr was up and down the gangway—I cannot say whether he was watching the loading

—he was there the whole time, as far as I know—it was his duty to assist in loading the drays.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. What are you? A. I generally go down to the water-side every day, and look after the empty casks—I went along the platform—Biddle, Farr, Wilkins, and Ford, were loading and rolling the casks—the van was loaded when I saw these barrels—I did not see it leave the yard—it was up by the platform when I saw it—it might be thirty or forty yards from the outer-gate—there was only one horse—it was not ready to start, they had to get another horse out.

Cross-examined by MR. PARNELL. Q. Did you see it loaded? A. I saw it while it was loading—I was taking the number of the casks that came from the water-side the day before—I then had to go to the clerk to check them—I was not at the first examination—three of the hogsheads and the barrels were rolled up, and then pitched.

GEORGE FORD . I am in the service of Sir Henry Meux. On 9th Sept. Farr asked me to lend a hand to put four puncheons and six hogsheads on the roll, to go to Gun and Shot wharf—he said as soon as I had put them on the roll I might go to breakfast, and when I came back he would go and have his—I assisted to do so—there were no barrels on the roll when I went to breakfast—when I came back the van was gone.


Reference Number: t18481023-2330

2330. THOMAS JONES , feloniously killing and slaying Susan Coolidge.

MR. CHARNOCK conducted the Prosecution.

SUSANNAH LEVY . I live in Charlotte-street, Whitechapel. On Tuesday evening, 12th Sept., I was in Whitechapel,—between six and seven o'clock, and saw Susan Cooiidge on the kerb on the right side opposite the Church, in the act of crossing—I was close behind her—when she got about the centre a cart came along very furiously; the prisener was driving it, another man was in it—Susan Coolidge was knocked down very quickly—the wheel went over her shoulder—she cried out, "Oh!" when the wheel touched her—the cart went on about thirty yards—I believe it was stopped by the by-standers—I saw Susan Coolidge at the doctor's.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLAKTINE. Q. Do you know whether the cart was stopped by the bystanders, or drawn up by the prisoner? A. I was a good deal agitated; I believe it was stopped by the bystanders, I was told so—I saw it about a moment before it came up; that was quite time enough to see the rate it was going at—it certainly was going at a furious rate—I have not been in the habit of travelling much—I do not know, whether the horse was trotting or galloping—I am sure the wheel of the cart knocked the young woman down, and it passed from her shoulder to her neck.

Q. Tell me whether this is right—(reading from the deposition)—"I saw the wheel of the cart go over her neck; whether it knocked her down or not I cannot say, but her feet were towards the pavement"—I was too much agitated to tell whether it knocked her down or not—it was dusk—there were not many vehicles about the road.

SAMUEL HENRY FRANKS . I am a farrier, of Saracen's Head-yard, Aldgate. On 12th Sept., about twenty minutes past six o'clock, I saw the horse and cart coming along at a very fast rate, seven or eight miles an hour—the prisoner was driving it—I saw him strike the horse previous to coming up to the place—he had got a pipe in his mouth—the young woman came out of a shop, passed me, and crossed the road—the near wheel struck her on the side, which slewed her round, and the wheel went across her shoulder—she had a plate in her hand, and was going to get some butter—she did not cry out—

I do not believe the men in the cart saw her no more than she saw them—the road was quite clear—the cart went on about sixty yards—I went across the road to assist in picking the young woman up, and taking her to Mr. Cook's, the chemist—he sent me' to get the name on the cart—it was a wine-merchant's cart—if the men had seen it, there was plenty of time for them to stop—the prisoner was talking to the other man in the cart—the horse was galloping, as they had struck it just before—they were pulling its head at the time, whether to check its speed or make it go faster I do not know.

Cross-examined. Q. What sort of horse was it? A. A brown, stiff horse—seven or eight miles an hour was galloping for it—its tendons might have been so contracted that it could not trot—I never saw the woman before; I saw one of the men whip the horse when she was about the length of this Court from the cart—the road was perfectly clear.

WILLIAM FRENCH . I live in West-street. I was standing on the north side of Whitechapel—I saw the cart coming—the prisoner was driving—the horse was galloping—I had seen the horse something like fifty yards before this took place—I saw it struck by the prisoner—he had a pipe in his month—I saw the young woman struck—I called to the prisoner—he was talking to his brother—I ran, and took the woman up—the prisoner turned—I said "You are an unmanly fellow, not to throw that pipe away, and come and assist her—I drew her over to the pavement, and ran after the cart—the prisoner had got out, and the other man had the reins—I led the horse back to where I left the woman—I saw the prisoner in the crowd, and said, "I would advise you to come back to the chemist's shop," which he did—the women was taken to the chemist's, and then to the hospital—the horse was going at about eight miles an hour—there was neither cart, wagon, nor omnibus is the road—the prisoner might have seen a cat or bird if it had been in the road, if he had looked.

Cross-examined. Q. What are you? A. Cook and carver at a tavern in the City—I have done some driving some years since—I called out to the prisoner as he passed me, before he got to the woman, because he was driving at such a rate—he was leaning against the other man—I was on the kerb, perhaps about eleven yards from the girl—the prisoner was on the improper side of the road, he was on the south side, perhaps six or seven yards from the south side—he was over the crown of the road—the girl came from the north side.

ALFRED BALL . I am a surgeon of the London Hospital. The Young woman was brought to me—she was quite dead—I examined her, and found a rupture of the left lung in two places, which would be the consequence of being driven over by a cart.

MARTHA MORRIS . I am the sister of Susan Coolidge—I saw her in the hospital.


CHARLES JACOB BYAS . I live at Limehouse-hole, and am clerk to Robert Blake Byas, a wine-merchant. The prisoner has been in his service twelve or thirteen years—he has been in the habit of driving the cart seven or eight years—he was always a well-conducted, steady man—the horse he drove was an old horse; I should say it has no paces—I saw the prisoner about half-past five o'clock the same day—he was going home—he was perfectly sober.

WILLIAM ANDERSON . I am a green-grocer, of Cambridge-road—my father keeps a horse and cart. I know the prisoner by sight—I saw the accident—before that the cart was driving. it the rate of five miles and a half or six miles an hour—the horse was trotting—I know a trot from a gallop—I am

satisfied it was not galloping—the female was crossing the road very quietly—I was by the side of my horse with my van, rather behind this cart, more on the north side—the cart had passed me about half a minute before the accident, on its proper side—the woman passed my horse's head—my van was loaded high with tubs—I cannot say whether that prevented the prisoner from seeing the woman—I hallooed out to her, "Hoy!" and some one else hallooed out—she instantly turned her head to Whitechapel Church—the shaft caught her shoulder, threw her down, and the cart went over her left side.

Cross-examined. Q. He was going very quietly along? A. Yes, from the top of Fenchurch-street—I swear he did not strike the horse—he was not going over seven miles an hour; it was an ere trot—I saw a pipe in his mouth—I had spoken to him in Fenchurch-street—I told the same story before the Coroner's Jury—they brought in a verdict of manslaughter—the prisoner was rather more to the south than the north of the road.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Was he driving when you spoke to him in Fenchurch-street? A. No, standing by the wheel of his cart—I did not see him start—I passed by him—he followed me immediately—he passed me at Aldgate, and I passed him again as he was getting up by the wheel, and he overtook me again—I had not known him before—his relations, or some men, came down to me, and I was summoned before the Grand Jury—I know enough of horses to know what rate any horse is going at within a quarter or half a mile—according to my best belief, the prisoner was not going more than six miles an hour—he was not galloping or going at an improper pace.

CATHARINE HALEY . I am the wife of Cornelius Haley, of Castle-alley, Whitechapel, a bricklayer's labourer. I was examined before the Coroner—I had not known the prisoner before that day—I sell fruit in Whitechapel, High-street—I know something about horses—I saw the accident—the horse was trotting at about the rate of five miles ah hour—I was almost opposite the place—when the cart came close to the woman the prisoner had hold of the reins, and pulled hard—the other cart came along—the prisoner was in the middle—she did not look one side or the other—as far as I could see, it was no fault of the man.

Cross-examined. Q. How many horses did you keep? A. Only one—I drove that myself—I can ride very well—I would not wish to go more than five miles an hour—I saw three carts, one on this side, one on the other, and this one in the middle.

CATHARINE WEBB . I am the wife of John Webb, of Castle-alley. I was selling fruit with Mrs. Haley, between six and seven o'clock—I saw the wheel go over the girl—I have often seen a heavy cart like that go a great deal quicker—the prisoner did his best to save her—he pulled the reins twice with all his might—the cart had gone over her then.

JURY to SAMUEL HENRY FRANKS. Q. Did you see the van laden with things? A. I saw it afterwards—there was nothing before the prisouer's cart—it was all clear.

GUILTY . Aged 27.— Confined Six Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2331

2331. ALEXANDER HOWATT and HANNAH MARTIN , unlawfully uttering counterfeit coin, to which

HOWATT pleaded GUILTY : MARTIN pleaded GUILTY .— Confined One Year .

Reference Number: t18481023-2332

2332. ARNOLD JOHNSON , feloniously assaulting Thomas Johnson, and cutting and wounding him on the head, with intent to resist the apprehension of one John James:—2nd COUNT, with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

MR. RYLAND conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS JOHNSON (policeman, C 82). On the morning of 17th June, I was on duty in Greek-street, Soho—I heard a disturbance and a cry of "Police!"—I went towards the spot, and saw five men and two women—one man named James met me and butted me in the belly—I took him into custody—while struggling with him Puikiss was attempting to pull him away—one of them said, "Serve the b----y b----r out," and I directly received a violent blow on my head from the prisoner; he escaped—I received two blows on my head—I lost a great deal of blood; I was completely saturated—the blow stunned me—I was got away, and prevented from going on duty for three weeks—I saw the prisoner in custody last Friday week, and pointed him out from seven others.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. How many trials have there been? A. Two—James and the other man were tried together—they were tried afterwards for a common assault—the prisoner has never been tried—I did not know his name at the time of the other trials—I remember him well, though I only saw him in the struggle—I am sure he is the man—I had a very full view of his face—I was at that moment struggling with James—we had been both down—I got up again and sprung my rattle till after the blow—I did not describe the man as being five feet ten inches high—I took Jones and Clark to see him.

RICHARD JONES . I am a picture-restorer, of Frith-street. I saw a struggle and went up—Johnson went over, and while he was struggling with James, a tall man, not the prisoner, struck him twice on the head—he bled very much—I helped him away, and assisted in taking him to the station.

Cross-examined. Q. I believe you said at the police-office, "I should know the man from a thousand, and that is not the man?" A. Yes.

CHARLES HENRY CLARK . I am a gas-fitter. I saw the scuffle and saw Johnson struck over the head by the prisoner with a life-preserver, or, I think a short thick stick; it brought blood—I feel confident he is the man—I had never seen him before—I have not seen him since Saturday week—I then recognised him.

Cross-examined. Q. Is gas-fitting the only mode by which you get year living? A. Yes—I sometimes assist my brother to dig a grave—Sergeant Grey took me to sec the prisoner—he was standing with a lot more in the back of the Court at Marlborough-street—I was asked if I could recognise any one; I recognised the prisoner; he had a gold chain—Grey did not say to me, "Look at that gold chain"—I did not hear him say so—the prisoner did not say, "Mr. Grey, what are you at?"—I have never been a witness before—I was called against the prisoner at the police-court, but was not examined—I had not known him before—he had a hat on—I consider he is a triffle higher than me—he had whiskers rather inclined to be carrotty—there was a gas-lamp immediately over.

GUILTY. Aged 33.— Judgment respited.

Reference Number: t18481023-2333

2333. JOHN COLEMAN, GEORGE BILTON, GEORGE TURNER , and ROBERT BILTON , feloniously assaulting Frederick Frith, and cutting and wounding him on his head, with intent to do him some grievous bodily harm.

MR. CLARK conducted the Prosecution.

FREDERICK FRITH (policeman, N 217). I was on duty at Edmonton on 14th Oct., and saw George Downs bleeding, Initn the nose and mouth—he gave Robert Bilton into my custody—Coleman came up and pushed me about for some time—I was thrown down—the other policeman came up—two of

them pulled him from me, and the other pulled me—I kept Coleman—he called to the others to come back—Coleman was struggling but was not on the ground—the other policeman came back—George Bilton and Turner then had sticks, between four and five feet long—they struck me with them on the head and arms—one of them said, "Now we will do for the b----y b----r"—I was thrown on the ground by Coleman and the others, and while down I was struck on the head and arms—a good deal of blood came from me—I was cut very much on the top of the head—Downs came to my assistance—he took hold of Turner—the others ran away—I kept hold of Coleman—another officer came up—I mounted a horse that was brought to me, and was taken to a surgeon—I had had a staff in my hand, but it was taken away by one of the prisoners.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Had you it in your hand before you were struck? A. Yes; I struck Coleman two or three times on the arm—he called the others back, and then Turner and George Bilton struck me with sticks.

GUILTY of an assault.

R. BILTON *—Aged 28.— Confined Three Months.

COLEMAN *—Aged 21.

G. BILTON *—Aged 23.

TURNER *—Aged 23.

Confined Six Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2334

2334. PATRICK COLLINS , feloniously cutting and wounding George Bagg, with intent to do him some grievous bodily harm.

GEORGE BAGG . On 12th of Sept. I was at the Cock and Neptune, Wellclose-square—the prisoner and Wootton were there talking—the prisoner took out a knife and put it behind him—the waiter came, caught at it, and cut his hand—I seized the prisoner and tried to get the kuife—I could not without cutting my hand—I took my handkerchief out to seize it with, and the prisoner said, "By Jesus I will give it you," and I received a wound on my right knee which cut to the bone—I was taken to the hospital.

GEORGE WOOTTON . On 12th Sept. my brother was a fiddler, and I went to help him—I played the prisoner a tune—he was very disorderly—I think he was a little in liquor; he would not let anybody dance but himself—he danced till the sweat ran down his face—I then asked him to pay; he would not—I stood before him waiting for his money-be said 1 might pick it out of him—he put his hand behind him—I beard the click of a knife—the waiter said, "For God's sake take care; he has a knife!"—I stood back—Bagg seized him—they both fell—the prisoner was first going to strike me with the knife, but they hallooed out—I jumped back—the waiter made a snap at the knife and cut "his own fingers—it was my jumping back and the waiter seizing him that prevented him hurting me—he and Bagg fell—he said, "By Jesus you shall have it!"—the knife was coming towards his breast, but he drew up his knee and it cut it.

----WOOTTON. I am the brother of George Wootton—I was playing at the Cock and Neptune—the prisoner danced and would not pay me—he said when I played him another tune he would—we did so, and then he said if I wanted it I might pick it out of him—he put his hand into his pocket, put both his hands behind him. and with his right hand he thrust towards my brother—the waiter turned him round and cut his knuckles—Bagg then seized him, and he was down—the prisoner said, "By Jesus you shall have it!" and thrust towards his breast, but Bagg put up his knee and caught it.

PETER GOWLAND . I am surgeon at the London Hospital. On 12th

Sept., Bagg was brought in with a stabbed wound over the knee-cap about an inch in length—he hud an inflammation of the joint—the wound might have been dangerous had it been in the joint.

GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Six Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2335

2335. JOHN ROACHE , feloniously cutting and wounding William Lamb, with intent to him some grievous bodily harm.

MR. ROBINSON conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM LAMB . On 24th Sept., I was at the Gun public-house, Union-street, Spiialfieid's, about eleven o'clock at night—there were several persoy there—I saw a quarrel between the prisoner and another man—the prisoner struck a female friend of mine, who had advised him to be quiet—I said if he struck her again, I would strike him—he struck her immediately, and I struck him on the side of the head—he rushed at me, and stooped—I caught him by the collar—he struck me about the right hip, belly, and sides—I thought it was with his knuckles—I then felt I had been stabbed—there was no one else who could have done it.

Cross-examined by MR. HORRY. Q. Were they all Irish? A. I believe so; there was a little rioting—the prisoner did not try to stop it—I saw him attack and struggle with others, to get at another person to strike him—on had hold o! him but me—both he and I were very much crowded in—his brother was there, and I was told he struck me.

PETER GOWLAND . I am a surgeon. Lamb was brought to me at the hospital—he had two stabs on his right hip an inch deep, one in abdomes, and one on the left side—that in the abdomen was very dangerous—they might have been made by this knife (produced).

JOHN FLETCHER (policeman, H 90). I heard a cry of murder, and police—I went in and found Lamb was stabbed—I took the prisoner—the room was full of people.

CORNELIUS FOAY (police-sergeant, H 7). I found this knife in the room up-stairs at the Gun public-house—the prisoner had blood on his right hand fingers.

MR. HORRY called

MARY HAMILTON . On 24th Sept., I was at the Gun public-house—there was a meeting, and a number of persons were present-a disturbance began—about eleven o'clock—six or seven persons attacked the prisoner; one of them collared him—I cried out, "Murder!"—I never saw the knife—Lamb said he was stabbed—I do not think the prisoner was near him, but 1 am not sure.

Cross-examined. Q. Where were you? A. About six yards from him; I did not stab him—I do not know whether he stabbed himself.

GUILTY . Aged 25.— Confined Two Years .

THIRD COURT.—Saturday, Oct. 28th, 1848.


Before Edward Bullock, Esq. and the Second Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2336

2336. GEORGE PHILLIPS , burglariously breaking out of the dwelling-house of Frederick Hark, having stolen therein 2 coats, 2 jackets, and—I watch, value 10l.; his goods.

FREDERICK HARK . The prisoner lodged in my house about four mouths

ago—on 29th July, I saw him there, about half-past eleven o'clock at night—I was the last person up, and saw the house shut up—the street-door could be opened from the inside—I went to bed about one—I got up about eight next morning, and missed two coats, and two jackets, which were in the dining-room the niglit before—one was mine, and the other belonged to a man in the bouse—the mate of a ship lodged there; I saw him with a watch the night before—I met the prisoner three months afterwards in Cannon-street, and said, "Old chap, where are you living now? where have you put my things?"—he said, "What things?"—I said, "A coat, two jackets, and a watch"—he said, "I will pay you everything when I get pensioned; what is the use of transporting me?"—I took him to a gentleman's house, who said, "You had better tell where the things are"—he was taken to the station—I found all the people in the house next morning but the prisoner.

JULIA CRAWLEY . I am a servant to MR. HARK. I came down between sis and seven o'clock, and found a shirt of the prisoner's in the passage by the street-door.

JAMES BYRNE . On 26th Sept., the prisoner was given in my charge—he got away, and was taken again.

GUILTY of Larceny. Aged 69.— Confined Six Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2337

2337. JAMES SMITH , and CHARLOTTE SMITH , stealing 3 shirts, 2 pillow-cases, and other articles, value 1l. 5s.; the goods of Thomas Smythe, the master of Charlotte Smith.

THOMAS SMYTHE . I have chambers in Chancery-lane—Charlotte was my laundress—James, her husband, lived with her for the last two years, but not as my servant—on 4th Oct., I came back from the country—next morning a person told me something; I missed a pair of blankets—I called in Charlotte, who had been left in charge of the house, and asked her where the blankets were—she said in her room—I desired her to bring them—she brought one, very dirty—I asked where the others were—she said, "Under the bed "—I told her to find them—she turned up the bed, turned very pale, and said she must confess she had pawned it—I followed her into her room; she produced these duplicates of my property; one is of the blanket—I sent for a police-man—I took the duplicates to the pawnbroker's, and fouud my shirts, pillow, and bolster-cases, blanket, and twelve valuable china plates—I had not missed them—the pillow-cases have my name at length.

JAMES ALDRIDGE . I am shopman to William King, of Holborn. I produce a shirt, pillow-case, blanket, and towel—the woman pledged this blanket, and the man this table-cloth—these duplicates produced are what I gave.

RICHARD THOMAS REEKS . I am assistant to William Reeve, a pawnbroker. I produce three shirts, one pledged by the female, and two by the man.

JAMES COOK (policeman). I took the prisoners—I found on James a duplicate for a shirt-Charlotte said she should not have done it but for Stress.


JAMES SMITH— GUILTY . Aged 42.— Confined Six Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2338

2338. JAMES SMITH and CHARLOTTE SMITH , were again indicted for stealing 3 books, 1 table-cloth, 3 napkins, and other articles, value 30s.; the goods of Thomas Smythe, the master of Charlotte Smith.

THOMAS SMYTHE . I missed three printed books, a table-cloth, napkin, and two towds—these arc—them (produced).

JAMES ALDRIDGE . I produce some napkins, a handkerchief, and two

towels—the woman pledged the napkins, and the man the handkerchief—they were not together.

RICHARD THOMAS REEKS . I produce two books pledged by James and a waistcoat by Charlotte.

CHARLOTTE SMITH— GUILTY . Aged 43.— Confined Six Month.


Reference Number: t18481023-2339

2339. THOMAS ADAM , stealing 17 1/2, yards of canvass, value 12s.; the goods of Thomas Nicholls and another, in a vessel in a port.

JOHN PASSMORE MUMFORD . I am superintendent of police, at St. Katherine's Docks. On 4th Oct. I went on board the Spy in the docks, and found this canvass—the prisoner was taken next morning by the gate-keeper—I told him he was charged with stealing canvass from the Intrepid, which he had charge of—he said, "What canvass, who says I have done so?"—I said to Durey, who is not here, "Is that the man that brought them on board your vessel?"—he said, "Yes"—the prisoner said, "I should not have done so if they had paid me my wages last Wednesday"—I went to the store-room of the Intrepid, where I had seen the prisoner a day or so before—the door lock had been taken off—I produce a remnant of some canvass which I have compared with that in the Intrepid—they are exactly alike.

MICHAEL LEE (policeman, H 182). The prisoner was given in my charge—he said he had taken it, he had not eaten a bit for the last three days.

ABRAHAM FILLWOOD . I am clerk to Thomas Nicholls and another, of King's-court, Lombard-street, the owner of the Intrepid. The prisoner was ship-keeper, and was allowed 18d. a day—it was paid to his uncle, but he was allowed food on the ship.

GUILTY. Aged 18.—Recommended to mercy. Confined Four Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2340

2340. HENRY DOBSON , stealing 2 brooches, 2 rings, 2 shirts, and; other articles, value 7l. 11s.; the goods of Henry John Clifford, in his dwelling-house.

HENRY JOHN CLIFFORD . I keep the Crown, Stanhope-street, Clare-market, in the parish of St. Clement Danes—it is my dwelling-house—the prisoner occasionally lodged there—he had his victuals there—on Wednesday night, 20th Sept., about twelve o'clock my wife told me something—I went to my bed-room, and missed a box of jewellery from a drawer, also two waistcoats, six silk handkerchiefs, two shirts, and an apron; worth 7l.—these produced are a portion of them—the prisoner was there that day and evening—the prisoner slept there that night—I missed some of them before bedtime—these rings are mine.

MARY GARRETT . I was in Mr. Clifford's service. I saw the prisoner is the bagatelle-room on the first-floor—I went to my master's room on the next floor, and heard a scuffling noise in one of the bed-rooms—I was in the dark—I got a light, and saw a man's foot under the bed in the spare room—I called out but got no answer—I went down to the bagatelle-room—the prisoner was not there—he was there five minutes before—I called a Mr. smith, we went up, but saw no one—there are two doors to the ioom, one was us-locked, and the other locked inside; the person under the bed could unlock it, and go down another flight of stairs which communicated with the aters—I went down again, and saw the prisoner in the bagatelle-room—I asked if he had been up stairs—he said, "No"—I saw something in his bosom, and asked what it was—he said his flannel shirt stuck out—I said it did not look

like a flannel shirt; then he said it was a piece of white cambric to make him a handkerchief—I asked to see it—he said I should not.

GEORGE SMITH . I am in the service of Henry Ashman, a pawnbroker, of Long Acre. I produce a waistcoat and two rings, pledged on 20th. Sept. by a female in the name of Dobson, and a waistcoat by a male—these are the tickets I gave.

WILLIAM SAW . I was in the service of Mr. Priest, a pawnbroker. I produce a silk handkerchief, pawned on the 21st of Sept. in the name of Johnson, I believe by the prisoner—this is the ticket I gave.

WILLIAM WEST (police-sergeant, F). On 21st Sept I took the prisoner, and said he must consider himself in my custody, on suspicion of a robbery—he said he was innocent, and should not go—I took him—he tried to escape—part of his coat-tail came off in my band, and in the pocket I found these three tickets relating to this property.

SOPHIA NEALE . The prisoner gave me these two rings, and asked me to pawn one for 3s.—I did so.

GUILTY . Aged 23.— Transported for Seven Years .

Reference Number: t18481023-2341

2341. WILLIAM BLACKBOROUGH, ROSA LAXTON , and WILLIAM LAXTON , breaking and entering the warehouse of Frederick Boffey, and stealing 6 milk-jugs, and 6 sugar-basons, value 12s.; his property.

GEORGE FOWLER (policeman, A 407). About a quarter to one o'clock in the morning, I was in Golden-lane, and saw the female prisoner sitting on Mr. Boffey's door step—I passed her, went into the back yard, and found Blackborough standing there—I asked him what he was there for—he said, "I came through to make water"—he was not so doing, but had his hand in. his pocket—I lighted a match-while so doing he passed me, and went through the passage—in the passage of the house I saw the lock taken from the door that leads to the cellar—I went down a few steps and heard a noise as if some one was knocking against the glass—the match went out, and I lighted another—the cellar flap, which was outside the house about two yards from where the female was sitting, was lifted up, and I heard some one run—I called to my fellow-constable—when I got into the lane, I saw Blackborough and Rosa Laxton in Blogg's custody.

JAMES BLOGG (policeman, G 124). I was with Fowler—he left me at the door where the woman was sitting—I asked what she did there—she made no answer—Blackborough came from the back, of the bouse, and asked her if she would go a little way home with him—they walked a little way—Fowler called out, I did not hear what he said—I followed and brought them back to the house, and found the cellar flap on the pavement out of its place—it was in its proper place just before—I went down to the cellar, and saw a basket with sugar-basins in it—on the top of the stairs I found this pair of boots.

ANN MARIA HALL . I am the wife of John Daniel Hall, of 126, Golden-lane; Mr. Boffey's house—William Laxton used to live over my room—I came home between twelve and one o'clock on this Saturday morning, and found Rosa Laxton and a policeman at the door—the policeman would not let me go in—I waited about a minute, and then saw William Laxton come out of the cellar flap, and run away—I saw another man ruuning; I cannot say whether it was Blackborough—he came from towards the door, not from the cellar flap—they both run on towards Play-house-yard—I saw Blogg find the boots—the female nothing but cry in my presence.

FREDERICK BOFFEY . I keep the house 126, Golden-lane. I only lodge

there occasionally—the warehouse is mine, it is not my dwellinq-house—I deal in glass—I left the shop that night about eleven o'clock—the drawers were then locked, and I had seen the door leading to the cellar padlocked between four and five o'clock—the cellar flap was left with a chain—the articles produced are mine, and when I left the shop they were in a kind of locker in the upper shop, not in the cellar—I received information, and went to my premises, between two and three o'clock—the door was then closed, but the padlock was gone—I went into the cellar, and found six sugar-basins and cream-jugs packed up in a basket—William Laxton was in my service for two or three months up to the Saturday before the robbery—I know these boots by their being pieced across the front-thev are his—I have seen them on his feet.

William Laxton. Q. When did you last see them on me? A. I cannot say—I know one of them particularly—I have frequently remarked it.

WILLIAM HENRY MASKILL (policeman, A 403). I took William laxton in a public-house opposite Clerkenwell Police-court—Blackborough and the female were in custody—I afterwards tried these boots on him—they fitted him—he said they were not his, they were too large.

THOMAS MIDGELY . I keep the Goat public-house, Golden-lane. On this night the prisoners were at my house, and left together a few minutes before twelve o'clock.

Blackborough's Defence. Laxton asked us to have some drink; we went in, and slopped till the house shut up; we were going home, and he asked us to sit at the door for a few minutes; I was laughing and joking, and asked if I might go into the yard; in half a minute the policeman came; I said, "I know the girl outside."

Rosa Laxton's Defence. A young girl asked me and Blackborough to sit on the step with her; Blackborough said he was only going into the yard; I said, "Don't be long, or I shall get into a row; the policeman followed him.

William Laxton's Defence. Hall has been paid for it; she knows nothing about it.

(The prisoners received good characters.)


WILLIAM LAXTON— GUILTY. Aged 21.—Recommended to mercy Confined Twelve Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2342

2342. ANN MORGAN , stealing 7 brooches, 3 tooth-picks, and other articles, value 5l.; the goods of Lewis Abrahams, her master.

LEWIS ABRAHAMS . I am a jeweller, at West Strand. The prisoner was my servant—she was to leave on Saturday, 7th Oct., and I heard my sister request her to bring down her boxes to have them examined—she refused—I called the beadle from the Arcade—the prisoner was asked for the key of her room—she said she had not got it. she thought it was below, and she searched, and could not find it—we forced the door—her boxes were there—they were locked—the beadle broke them open in her presence, found these two gold brooches, this silver pencil-case, and other things, my property—I gave her in charge.

RICHARD THOMPSON . I am beadle of the Lowther-arcade. I was called, and required the bed-room key from the prisoner, but did not get it—I forced the door—I asked her three times for the keys of her boxes—she said she did not know where they were—I forced them, and found these thing (produced).

Prisoner's Drfence. I found the things in the sweepings of the shop.

GUILTY . aged 30.— Transported for Seven Years.

Reference Number: t18481023-2343

2343. JOHN JACKSON , stealing 402 pencil-cases, 140 pen-holders, 6 tooth-picks, 100 steel pens, and other articles, value 100l.; the goods of John Sheldon, his master: and WILLIAM WARREN , feloniously receiving the same, and MARY BURROWS , feloniously receiving part of the same: to which JACKSON pleaded GUILTY . Aged 22.— Transported for Seven Years .

MR. PRENDERGAST conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN SHELDON . I am a manufacturer of metallic goods, at Birmingham. I had these gold and silver goods locked in a leather-case—I had the key—I employed Jackson as my porter, and he came to the house—on 25th Sept. I left the case in the passage, in his charge—he was not to take it out till I came down—I was not in the habit of trusting him with it out of my sight—I came down, and he and the case were gone—I gave information, and found some of my property at the station next day—the value of the whole was between 100l. and 200l.—the largest and the best are gone—this bag, and contents, and strap, are mine (produced)—these books and papers have my name on them.

EDWARD KNOWLAND . On 25th Sept. I went to Mr. Brooks', in Tothill-street, and saw Burrows offering this pencil-case for sale—I asked her to let me look at it, and said, "This answers the description of some property stolen"—she snatched it from me—I said, "I am a policeman, you must go to the station"—I was in plain clothes—I took her to the station after a little struggle—on the way she said she had had two pencil-cases given her the night before by a gentleman in Oxford-street—she gave her address, 6, Snow's-rents—I received information, and went to the second-floor of 100, York-street, which leads from Snow's-rents—the door was locked—I forced it open, searched the room with the sergeant, and found this trunk, containing the property which has been produced, under the bedstead.

MARK LOOME (police-sergeant, B, 11). The inspector asked me at the station if I knew where Burrows lived—I said, "Yes, 100, York-street; I saw her at the window last night"—I went there, to the second-floor front room—the landlady could not find the key—I broke it open, and found the things produced—Warren's aunt lived in the same house, and I have seen him go backwards and forwards—I told Burrows I had found a large quantity of gold and silver pencil-cases—she said they were left there by a man; that she gave him the key, and he left them there—she afterwards said it was Bill Warren—he was not present—I have frequently seen him and her in public-houses together.

Burrows. I said Warren told me it was clothes? Witness. You did not.

JAMES JOHNSON —(policeman). I was present when Burrows was brought to the station—the inspector asked her how she came by those pencil-cases—she said she received them in Oxford-street, on the previous evening—he said be knew more about them than she was aware of—she said she did not know the man's name, but Johnson, meaning me, knew him well—I asked her who it was—she said she could not tell me his name, but described him to me—I was satisfied that I knew him—I went to Snow's-rents, saw Mrs. Cox, and asked her to accompany me to the prisoner's room—she did so—I found this smaller case among the blankets in the second-floor front room, at 100, York-street, this strap," which bound up the leather case, and these pattern-cards, under the sacking—it was Warren she described, and not the gentleman Oxford-street.

HARRIET FIETCHER . I am landlady of the house in York-street. I let the second-floor front to Burrows—I accompanied the officers into that room, and saw all the articles found—the account they have been giving is true.

Burrows. Q, Did not you know me for a long time? A. Yes; I never

knew anything wrong of you—you lived with a respectable young man, who supported you.

THOMAS SCUDAMORE . I am a pawnbroker, of Great Chapel-street, Westminster. I produce a case, containing a gold pencil-case, pledged on 25th Sept., by Burrows, between twelve and one o'clock—I have known her a long time by coming to the shop.

MARK LOOME re-examined. On 14th Oct. I took Jackson at the door of the Yorkshire Stingo—Warren was standing a hundred yards off—when he saw me he walked away, and then began to run—he fell in the middle of tre road, I fell over him, and took him to the Yorkshire Stingo, where Jackson was, and then to the station—I told Warren the charge—he said there was nothing against him, and Jackson said that it was no felony.

SAMUEL WHATMORE . On 25th Sept., a little after two o'clock, Warren offered me a gold pencil-case for 6s.—he said it could not be dear, for he had just pawned one for a crown—I said if I wanted one ever so, I should not buy it on my own judgment—I asked him to let me take it to a friend—I took it to Mr. Arden, and afterwards returned it to Warren—it was larger than this produced.

CHARLES WILLIAM FARING . I am apprentice to Mr. Brooks, of 9, Totbill-street. On 25th Sept., between twelve and one o'clock, I bought this pencil-case of a woman who I believe to be Burrows—she gave me her address, 90, York-street—she called again, and was seen by the officer, and taken into custody—I believe that person to be the same who came the first time; I cannot swear it.

ELIZABETH ROBERTSON . I live at 11, Snow's-rents, facing the back door of 100, York-street. I saw Burrows there sometimes—she lived there for what I knew—on 25th Sept. I was washing—I looked out at the back door, and saw Warren go by with a bag like this-shortly afterwards Jackson went by with a box in his right hand, and went in at the back door—in a little time one of them went out, and came back with a mug and two pots—I did not see them together in the room—on the Friday evening I was taking clothes in, and saw them standing, talking—I know Warren by sight—I had only seen Jackson once, but knew him by his dress.

HARRIETT COX . I know 100, York-street—Burrows lived in the second floor front-room—I saw Warren there on the 25th Sept., between twelve and o'clock, but never before—he was sitting in Burrows's room—I knocked at the door to give warning to the lodgers, and Jackson opened it; that was how I came to see them—Burrows was not there.

Burrows. I will never come here again.

WARREN— GUILTY . Aged 22.— Transported for Seven Years.

BURROWS— GUILTY. Aged 23.— Judgment Respited.

Reference Number: t18481023-2344

2344. ANN KEAN , stealing 1 watch, and 1 watch-chain, value 18l.; the goods of William Henry Wayne, in the dwelling-house of Edward Low.

MR. CHARNOCK conducted the Prosecution.

REV. WILLIAM HENRY WAYNE . I am a clergyman, and live in Shropshire. In July I and my daughters were living at Mr. Low's, Surrey-street, Strand, for about four days—we left on the 19th—the prisoner was servant there—I have every reason to believe I had a watch in my portmanteau—I did not see it while in the house—I missed it when I got back to the country, and directly wrote to Mr. Low—this is it (produced)—I have no doubt this piece of chain is mine, but cannot swear to it.

Cross-examined by MR. PARNELL. Q. Who managed the house? A. I

should say Mrs. Low—I saw no servant but the prisoner—the watch was in a case in the trunk, which was unlocked—there was another chain on it—this one is not gold—the case was left.

HENRY ROGERS (policeman, F 75). On 23rd July, Mr. Low spoke to me in the prisoner's presence about this watch—she said she heard a gentleman, who lived in the house, tiptoeing about the stairs, as if not wishing to be heard—she mentioned a name, but I do not know what—I made inquiries, but found no grounds for suspecting him—on 12th Oct. I was called to take the prisoner—she gave her address, 1, Dean-street, Fetter-lane—I found she lived at 12, Neville's-court, Fetter-lane, in the back parlour; and there I found, in this work-box, this gold watch and guard and other things.

Cross-examined. Q. Who searched the box? A. I did; Mrs. Low sat by it—she did not touch the things, she only took out half-a-crown and 1s.; but I took the watch out before that—the landlady pointed the box out—I took the key from my pocket, and opened it—Mrs. Low had not touched it.

WILLIAM BARRETT . I am a watchmaker, and knew the prisoner living in Fetter-lane. On 23rd Sept. she brought me this watch to have a glass put in—she said it belonged to her brother, a cheesemonger at Gainsborough, or Glastonbury, and she had had it many years—I made this mark on it.

MARIA WATKINS . I am a servant out of place—I have known the prisoner six or seven months. On 20th July the prisoner came to me and showed me a gold watch, very much like this, with the glass broken—she said it was hers; she had been to get it out of pledge for 8l.—I asked how she got 8l. in so short a time in her situation—she said, a gentleman bad been very kind to her—she was going to back some plate, and asked me to go with her—I asked how she came by the watch—she said the father of her child gave it her; she had had it for years—she asked me if the chain was gold—I said I did not know—she said, "I know it is not, for I have been to a jeweller's shop and found it was not"—she said she should throw it away—I said, "Give it to me"—she gave it to me—I went with her to a pawnbroker's, but waited outside-six or seven weeks ago I met her in Holborn, and she had the watch and chain round her neck—it had a new glass—I think this is it—I asked her if her mistress allowed her to wear a gold watch in the house—she said yes, the better she dressed the better she liked it; and to tell roe the truth a gentleman gave it her who frequently came into her bed-room at night, and she made a noise one night, and he said, "For God's sake be quiet," and hang it round her neck, and made her a present of it—she sent for me to the House of Detention, and asked me to be her chief witness—I said, "What for? I know nothing of the watch"—she said, "Yes you do; I want you to say that when you brought the body of Mrs. Low's dress home, that Mrs. Low brought the watch in a piece of paper, and asked you to get a new glass put into it"—I said, "Certainly not"—she said, "Oh, do! I would do as much for you if you were in trouble"—I never had a minute's conversation with Mrs. Low about the watch—I gave Mrs. Low this chain at Bow-street.

Cross-examined. Q. Have you ever been in trouble? A. No—I never saw prisoner with a watch before July—we were on very good terms—she has a child, seven or eight years old.

MARY LOW . I am the wife of Edward Low, who keeps a boarding-house in Surrey-street—the prisoner was in my service last July, when Mr. Wayne was there—he left on 19th July-next day the prisoner asked to go out—I gave her leave, and she went for several hours-several days after, I received a communication from Mr. Wayne about the loss of a watch—a policeman was sent for, and the prisoner was asked if she had seen it while the gentleman was there—she denied all knowledge of it, and said one day a gentleman

who lived there came down slowly to Captain Evans's bed-room, and she suspected he came there for some purpose; that she met him at the door—I did not suspect, her—I gave her notice to quit in Sept.—I never saw the watch, or gave it to Martha Watkins—she brought home the body of a dress, but I did not see her.

Cross-examined. Q. Why did she leave? A. She drank, and did not suit me in any way—there was no dispute between us about wages or candles—she had 8l. a year—I had no other servant.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY. Aged 32.—Recommended to mercy. Transported for Seven Years.

(There were two other indictments against the prisoner.)

Reference Number: t18481023-2345

2345. FREDERICK JOHN THOMPSON and ALFRED BENJAMIN SPURGEON , feloniously forging and uttering an order for the delivery of goods, with intent to defraud Thomas Brandram and others; Thompson having been before convicted; to which

THOMPSON pleaded GUILTY . Aged 44.— Transported for Seven Years.

MR. BALLANTINE conducted the Prosecution.

GEORGE JOHN WILLIAMS . I am clerk to Thomas Brandram and others, of Sise-lane. On 12th Sept. Spurgeon brought this order—(read—"Sept. 12—48. Messrs. Brandram, please deliver one bag of pale British vermillion for John Houghton ald Son. George Stevens")—I said, "Do you bring this order direct from Houghton's?"—he said, "Yes"—I said, I doubted it—he at last admitted that a man he met at the Post-office, who he had never seen before, employed him to get the goods—he gave such a description of the man as enabled a clerk to go and bring Thompson in, and Spurgeon said he was the man—Thompson admitted it.

ROBERT JOHN STEVENS . I am clerk to James Houghton and Sons. This order is not my writing—I did not authorize it—I did not know Spurgeon—I had seen him on the 6th, when he brought me this order-(read,—"Messrs. Houghton, please deliver two gallons fine Lucca oil for H. J. Vice, Bermondsey, 6th Sept., 1848")—I asked if it was written by Mr. Vice—he said it was not, but by the party who employed him to bring it—I said I would send the goods—he said, "We want them very particularly"—I said I would rather send them—he took the bottle he had brought—I said, "We shall want that to send the oil in," and he left it.

HENRY JAMES VICE I am an oil and colourman, of Bermondsey-square, Southwark, and deal with Messrs. Houghton—this order is not signed by me, or by my authority—I never sent for such oil, and never saw the prisoners before.

WILLIAM FRANCIS HARMS . I am in the employ of Champion, Hankey, and Co., of the lead-works, Islington-fields-Spurgeon brought me this order—(read,—"One firkan of ground white lead for R. and D. Chambers. To Messrs. Champion and Co.")—I asked if they were busy—he said he had not been long there, and did not know what they called busy—I asked if one of Messrs. Chambers'did not travel—he said, "Yes"'—I gave him the lead—he took it away—this produced is it.

THOMAS HELLNTON . I am clerk to Messrs. Chambers and Co., wholesale ironmongers, of Bishopsgate-street—we deal with Messrs. Hankey—this order is a forgery—I never saw Spurgeon.

GEORGE DICKENSON . I am an oil and colourman, of Long-lane. on 9th Sept. I bought a keg of lead of Thompson—Messrs. Champion identified it.

Spurqeon's Defence. Thompson sent me with the orders.

SPURGEON— GUILTY . Aged 21.— Confined Twelve Months.

(There were three other indictments against the prisoners.)

OLD COURT.—Monday, Oct. 31st, 1848.


Before Edward Bullock, Esq., and the Second Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2346

2346. JOHN COTTON , stealing 3 shillings; the moneys of Thomas Stock, his maiter; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Six Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2347

2347. MARY CLARKE , stealing 2 watches, and other articles, value 20l.; the goods of John Bates Wells, in his dwelling-house; to which she pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 28.— Confined Twelve Months.

Before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18481023-2348

2348. HENRY PRESTAGE was indicted for rape on Sarah Tate.

MR. PARRY conducted the Prosecution.


Reference Number: t18481023-2349

2349. WILLIAM KNIGHT was indicted for uttering counterfeit coin, after a previous conviction.

MESSRS. BODKIN and METCALFE conducted the Prosecution.

CALEB EDWARD POWELL . I am assistant-solicitor to the Mint—I produce a copy of the record of the conviction of William Knight and another at this Court, at the February Sessions, 1844—I have examined it with the original in Mr. Clark's office—it is a true copy—(read).

GEORGE HOARE . I know the prisoner—he is the person who was then convicted.

MARGARET BRADSHAW . I am housekeeper to Mr. Knight, of Charing-cross, a shell-fish warehouseman—we also sell beer—the prisoner came there on 5th Sept., about twelve or one o'cloek, called for some beer, and gave me 6d. in payment—I gave him change from the till—I went to put the 6d. in the proper place, and found it was bad—I put it into my pocket where I had no other sixpence, and kept it there till Thursday, 14th Sept., when I attended the Police-court, and gave it to Park the policeman—I marked it in his presence—this is it (produced)—my mark is on it.

Prisoner. Q. You sid at the station you could not swear to me? A. I swore to you—I could not swear to the date.

MARK LOOME (police-sergeant, B 11). On 14th Sept., I took the prisoner into custody in St. Ann-street, Westminster—I told him he was charged with another in passing a counterfeit half-sovereign—he said he knew nothing about it—I sent him to the station by two other constables—he said he lived in Old Pye-street—I knew that to be false, and in consequence of information went to 11, Union-court, Orchard-street—I got a poker from next door, and went to the second-floor front room—I broke it open, but found no one inside—I found in a cupboard, covered over with old rags, four counterfeit sixpences, two iron spoons with this white melted metal in them (produced), and among the ashes in the fire I found some pieces of melted metal.

Prisoner. Q. Why did not you search the room in my presence? A. You were at the station-a female came into the room while I was searching—she did not say I had planted it—the door was fast, and I drew the stable—I did not say it was half drawn when I went up stairs—you did not give me the right address—the female was drunk on the bed—she lived

with you—I do not know anything of her—I was not in the room a minute before she came in—she had the key.

MR. BODKIN. Q. The cloor was fastened with a padlock and staple? A. Yes—I was the first that went into the room—no one was there before me—I had seen the prisoner come out of the same house on the previous night.

ALEXANDER HOBSON (policeman, B 170). I assisted Loome in searching the room, and found two sixpences that dropped on the floor, and two pieces of white metal in the cinders, which I produce.

MARY BAGGS . I have had the house, 11, Union-court, Orchard-street, about three years—I remember the officers coining and searching the romm on the second-floor—that was the prisoner's room—I let it him about three weeks before—he and his wife lived there—I saw him in the room about; eleven o'clock on the same day that the officers came.

Prisoner. Q. Was it not the female that took the room? A. You took it together—you gave the woman the money to pay the rent—I do not know that she is your wife—you paid 6d. either every night or morning.

CALEB EDWARD POWELL re-examined. The sixpence that was uttered is counterfeit, and the six others also, and they are all cast from one mould—they feel rather greasy—I have not the least doubt about them—this white metal is what is used in coining.

Prisoner's Defence. I do not deny being before convicted, but these counterfeit coins were planted in the room; I only went to the room for certain purposes; the female had the room, and had other persons there; she bad the key in her pocket, and was in and out all day, bringing her friends there; if 1 had been married it would have been a different thing; I was out all day; nothing was found on me.

GUILTY . Aged 30.— Transported for Ten Years.

Reference Number: t18481023-2350

2350. GEORGE MILLER , stealing 1 jacket, and 1 shirt, value 17s., the goods of Placie Jean Baptiste, in a vessel in a port of entry and discharge.

(The prosecutor being called on his recognizances did not appear.)


NEW COURT.—Monday, October 30th, 1848.


Before Mr. Recorder and the Fifth Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2351

2351. EDWARD MARNEY , feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of John Dempsey, on 17th Oct., and stealing 2 boxes, and other articles, value 1l. 10s.; the goods of Mary Ann Dempsey, and 1 watch value 20s.; the goods of John Dempsey; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 18.— Transported for Seven Years .

Reference Number: t18481023-2352

2352. JOHN THOMAS , embezzling 4l. 6s., which he received on account of John Cooper, his master: also for obtaining from Thomas King 4l. 6s. by false pretences; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 27.— Confined Six Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2353

2353. JAMES REDMAN , stealing 1 pair of boots, value 30s.; the goods of William Bending, his master; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Three Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2354

2354. JAMES DONOVAN , embezzling 19 shillings and 9 pence, the moneys of David Harris, his master; to which he pleaded

GUILTY. Aged 17.—Recommended to mercy by the Prosecutor. Confined Eight Days .

Reference Number: t18481023-2355

2355. WILLIAM HAMILTON , stealing 1 shilling, the moneys of Robert David Peterkin, his master; to which he pleaded

GUILTY .— Confined One Day and Whipped .

Reference Number: t18481023-2356

2356. GEORGE ALLEN , stealing 1 handkerchief, value 4s.; the goods of John Walker, from his person; to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 18.— Confined Six Months.

Before Mr. Justice Wightman.

Reference Number: t18481023-2357

2357. MARY JANE FITZGERALD and JAMES FRY , feloniously setting fire to a house in the possession of Emma Beaumont, with intent to injure and defraud the Westminster Fire-office, and EMMA BEAUMONT for feloniously inciting them to commit the said felony.

MESSRS. CLARKSON, BODKIN, and PARNELL conducted the Prosecution.

JOSEPH BAXTER . I am not now in any habitation—I did live in White Horse-yard, Drury-lane—I am a porter in Covent Garden-market. In May last I went to lodge at the European Coffee-house, in Long Acre, which was kept by Beaumont—I left on Monday 21st Aug., as near as I can recollect—I had known Beaumont before, by using the House, and I had lodged there previously—she spoke to me several times about firing the house—she said she would not mind giving 10l. to any one to do it—that was about a month or six weeks before I went away—she said, as she had known me so long, she would not mind giving me 10l. to set fire to the house—I said I would consider of it, or something to that effect—I knew that the house and property were insured—Beaumont showed me the policy on three different occasions—isaw that the amount was for 400l.—after I had told her that I would consider this proposition of hers, I saw things taken away from the house several time?, such as baskets of China and glass—I saw the bedding cut up and made into pillows—I saw Fitzgerald (who was servant in the house) take the pillows away; she told me it was by Beaumont's orders—I have seen her take them away when Beaumont was in the house—on the day that I left, Beaumont said the things were ready, and asked me what time it would be convenient to me to set fire to the house—she said the Thursday would be convenient for her, and would I go to tnke tea with her—this conversation took place in the little bar—I do not know that there was anybody there but Beaumont and I; Fitzgerald might have been in and out, following her occupation—I said the Thursday would suit me, or words to that effect—I led her to believe that I would do it—I went again on the Tuesday—I do not recollect that anything passed respecting this matter—she sent for me on the Thursday, and I went about five o'clock—Kitzgerald went in with me-Beaumont was not there, but a young woman was, who was a stranger-Beaumont wme in, and 1 had tea with her—she said all was ready, and we might as well go through with it, as things bad gone so far—she said she had appointed to go to the theatre with Fry, at half-price, and that I was to set

fire to the house while she was gone—she put down three sovereigns on the side-board, and told me I might take it from the side-board, that I might say she had not given me any money to fire the house, and that I had not taken any money from her hand—I took up the three sovereigns and kept them—she said she would give me two sovereigns on the following morning, Friday, and 5l. after she had settled with the Insurance Company—during the conversation and the giving of the money, Fitzgerald was in and out—I think she was in the room when the three sovereigns were laid down, and I took them up, but I cannot say for certainty—the bar opens into the public room and the private passage—when Fitzgerald was not in the bar, she was passing up and down stairs to the kitchen ami bed-room—I do not know that she went into the coffee-room while I was there—Fry was in the coffee-room, not in the bar—he was not near enough to hear what parsed between me and Beaumont—there were several other persons in the coffee-room where Fry was—Fry came into the bar to change a book, but he only came for a moment, and he went out at the coffee-shop door—the other door leads to the passage—Beaumont beckoned to him in the coffee-shop to go out, and they went out by different doors, and met in the street-after they were gone, I had some conversation with Fitzgerald—I told her I was goin into the country that night, and I had no intention of setting fire to the house—she said she thought as much—I did not stop five minutes—I left London that night, and went to Watford—I came to town again the next night, Friday, 25th, I arrived by the train about seven—I sent George Priest, who had been my companion in travel, to the house in Long Acre, to make inquiries, and in consequence of what he told me, I went to the house about nine—I found Fitzgerald standing at the private-door—I asked her what Miss Beaumont had said concerning my going away with the money—she said, Miss Beaumont said she thought I had acted very right in going away—she said, it heinr the opera night, it would soon have got found out—she said her mistress was gone to Cromorne Gardens, with the same young man that she had been to the theatre with the niht previous—she said the fire was going to take place that niht—she Said she was to have 20l., and Fry was to have 20l. also—she said there was a written agreement on a 3d. stamp, and Beaumont and Fry had each signed their names to it, and she had made her mark at the bottom—she said Mrs. Robins was in the house at the time I was speaking to her at the door—she went in and shut the door—I waitid opposite the house a few minutes—I saw Mrs. Robins and Fitzgerald come out-Mrs. Robins had a bundle under her arm—Fitzgerald went with her to the corner of James-street, which is 100 or 150 yards from the house—they there parted, and Fitzgerald went back to the house—I then went away to 21, White Hart-yard, and a friend with me—I was not out any more that night—I went to bed about ten—on the following morning I went to the market—I saw Mr. Davis, that I had been working for; and in consequence of what he told me, I went to Long-acre about eight in the morning—I noticed that there had been a fire at Beaumont's house—about nine or ten o'clock that morning Fitzgerald came to my lodging, and told me it was all over—I had told her where I lodged—I had her boxes at my lodging—I had taken them there on the Tuesday night—I took them out of the house that night, and she said it was too late to take them to her friend's, where she intended them to go to, and would I permit them to be in my lodging; and I took them there, and there they remained till that morning—she told me it was all over, and the Insurance-office had made it out as an escape of gas—I asked her how it was done, and she said

she put a light, or a lighted greasy paper, under the place where the old newspapers were kept, and it was all on fire in a moment—this was on the Saturday—on the Monday I was in Covent-garden market-Fitzgerald came to me there—she told me that Beaumont wished to speak to me, and would I go to No. 13, King-street, Long-acre, that is where her brother lived—I went there after Fitzgerald had left me—I saw Beaumont's brother—I waited a few minutes, and Beaumont came in—it is a little shop—her brother was in the private parlour-Beaumont said I need not be afraid, she would give me the remaining 7l., as though I had set fire to the house myself—I think she said I was not to mention it to anybody, I was to keep it a secret—I said, "Very well"—I then came away—on the Wednesday afterwards I saw Fitzgerald again in Covent-garden market, or somewhere adjoining; I think it was in James-street—I gave her a note to take to Beaumont—she came back after she had taken it, and told me that Miss Beaumont said I might do what I liked; if I said anything concerning the fire, that she would charge me with stealing some books that I had the care of—there were three books, a writing-desk, a bird-cage, and some other trifling things, that she had given me—I told Fitzgerald I would go and give information to the Fire-office—she said I might go as soon as I liked—I do not recollect that anything more passed on that occasion—I think I saw Fitzgerald again on the Friday—I told her I had communicated to the Insurance Company (which I had not; I did not make the communication till the next day, the Saturday)—she said I had done very wrong in stating that she had set fire to the house, it was a mistake—she said I had misunderstood her when she told me that Fry had proposed to bring 3s. worth of combustibles to put under the cupboard—that might have been on the Wednesday; it was after the fire—I informed the Insurance-office on the following day, and on Monday, the 4th, I attended at Mr. Storr, the agent's office—I found Miss Beaumont there, and her sister, Mrs. Matthews—I waited till Mr. Storr sent for me in-1 was in the same room with Miss Beaumont and her sister, the public auction-room-Miss Beaumont came to me, and asked if I had been sent for there—I said, "No," I was come there to meet a friend—she asked me to go outside with her, which I refused to do-Mrs. Matthews came, and said there was something very mysterious between her sister and me, and she wanted to know the meaning of it-Miss Beaumont told her there were some trifling sums of money that she owed me; if I would make out my bill she would pay me—I told Matthews it was no use asking me such a question as that, that she knew all about it—Miss Beaumont said if I would go outside with her, or meet her at her brother's at three o'clock, she would give me 10l.—I refused that, and soon after, Mr. Storr called for me, and 1 went out of the room, and left them to themselves—I knew there was a ladder at the house that was burnt; I had seen it several times—it was kept down stairs in the passage, and sometimes I have seen it at the top of the house—Miss Beaumont desired me to take it from the passage up to the top of the house—there is a trap-door opening at the top of the house—I put the fodder on the top landing; that would enable a person to get out at that opening.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. How long have you worked at Covent-garden market? A. For many years, off and on—I went to live at this coffee-house in April, or May—I do not know the name of the servant who was there then—she was a short stout person—she left—that was not Fitzgerald—Fitzgerald had been in the house perhaps six weeks or two months—I had lodged there about twelve months before—Beaumont said as she had known me so Iong—she would give me 10l. to fire the house—I had

been away from the house, as a lodger, though I had used it—I had been down to Yorkshire to see my relations and friends—this conversation was on the Monday, as I was leaving the house—Beaumont knew I was about to leave—I agreed to go on the Thursday to set fire to the house, as she thought—I gave her to understand that I should do it—I never had it in my own mind to do it-1 wanted money for what I had done for her—I had been working for her—I took the 3l. for the work I had done—I understood the 3l. I received to he for work 1 had done for her—I took it as such, not that she paid it as such—she never made any arrangement what I was to have but I considered it good payment for the work I had done—we are in the habit of putting a price on the work we do—I considered that this 3l. would be liberal payment, and having got this liberal payment I went to enjoy myself at Watford and at Northampton—I walked to Watford, and them engaged a bed from half-past three till half-past six o'clock, I then took the train to Northampton—I came back the same day by the train—I had done several jobs for Beaumont—Fitzgerald was servant in the house—she did not very often attend customers in the shop—there was a kitchen, but it was not used for cooking; it was merely to keep lumber, and different things in—when I took up the 3l. Fitzgerald was in and out-Fry came in once, but there was no one when 1 took up the 3l.—when I went at five o'clock there was a stange young woman there—I was up stairs, in the sitting-room, for nearly an hour—there was no light there—I was in the dark—Miss Beaumont did not speak very loudly to me; it was not a whisper; it was in a moderate tone—I paid a trifle for Priest, when we went to Northampton, I might not have paid for everything, he had money—I went to the house on Friday, the 25th—I did not see Miss Beaumont at all that evening—I should think I was not more than a quarter of an hour altogether in the street that evening—I then went home to bed, in White Horse-yard—I got to bed about ten—Priest slept with me—I applied to Miss Beaumont for my wages after the fire—a letter was sent by Fitzgerald—I do not recollect that I said to any one that this fire was an accident, I cannot swear that I did not—I might have mentioned it as an accident, but if I have, it is unbeknown to me—I had not been speaking to many persons about the fire before I went to the Insurance Company—I had told my friend, when he was on the railway with me—after the fire I did not mention it to any one before I went to the Insurance Company.

Cross-examined by MR. CHARNOCK. Q. Is this paper your writing (heading a paper to the witness)? A. I cannot swear to my own writing—I would not swear that it is, or not—it is something similar to my writing; yes, it is my writing—(the witness read the two first lines to himself)—I have never described this occurrence as an accident, that I am aware of—I will not undertake to swear that I have or not—I am twenty-five years old—I have been in London six years; I came from Yorkshire—I never was on intimate terms with Fitzgerald—I never said that if I got the other 7l. I would have given no information—it was my intention to give information to the office, let me get what I would—when Mrs. Robins came out of the house, on the Friday evening, she had a bundle—it was not very large; it was as large as a person could well carry under their arm; one that any one could see—it was about nine—when Mrs. Matthews spoke to me, I said she knew all about it; I meant that she knew how the fire had happened-seeing them together, I thought she must have known—I did not set fire to the house—I was never engaged in a similar transaction—I was never in any other part of this Court, I have been a witness—I never was charged—I can prove I left my two situations with a good character—I was for twelve months a labourer in a

brewery at Old Brentford—I was discharged, with another servant, on the 4th March last, because they had no further employ for us—I then went down to Yorkshire, and stopped nearly two months there—when I left my master, he told me he would give me a good character to obtain a situation anywhere—I did not apply for the 1l.; I made an application in the note—I did not mention any sum—I wanted a trifle to maintain myself till I got to my friends—I did not threaten, "If you don't give me money I will go to the fire-office"—I said, "You will hear further from me"—it was rot in consequence of her not giving me money that I gave information—it was after I made the application that I gave the information, because she threatened to charge me with stealing the thing;.

MR. BODKIN. Q. You sent a note? A. Yes; this is it—(read)—"To Miss E. Beaumont, 13, King-street. Madam,—I am sorry to inform you that I have lost my work since your accident, and you must think that I want some money, and I must have it, or you will hear something of it before this time to-morrow. I know that you have got it, and you only give it at once, and then it will be done with: if you don't let me have it, you must look out for three of you being in the station to-night."—I never got any money in consequence of this note.

COURT.Q. You say here, "Only give it at once, and then it will be done with!"—what did you mean by that? A. I do not know—I do not remember putting "Only give it at once."

GEORGE PRIEST . I am the person who went to Northampton with Baxter.

WILLIAM BROMFITT STORR . I am of the firm of Debenham and Storr, of King-street, Coven t-garden. We act as agents and valuers to the Westminster Fire-office. On 30th Aug., I went to 21, Long Acre—I had that day got a claim from the prisoner Beaumont—she called on me on the following day, the 31st, on the subject of that claim—I asked her about the policy—she said it was destroyed by the fire-in this claim there are forty aprons charged: a black satinette dress, unfinished; a black velvet shawl, embroidered; a cashmere dress; a black satin shawl; a black satin dress, unfinished; a pair of fur cuffs; and two water-coloured cuts, with gilt frames—when I was in conversation with Beaumont, the claim was in my hand, and it was discussed—on the 2nd Sept., I went to Cottrill and Harrison, pawnbrokers in Drury-lane—I saw something there that I thought important, and I made an appointment with Miss Beaumont to see her at her brother's at three o'clock that day—she came, and I asked her to describe the satinette dress, and what she meant by the term unfinished—she said that it was a satinette in the length, not made up—I asked her the same question in reference to the black satin dress, and she gave the same answer—she said that one of the dresses, either the satin or the satinette was complete, with the exception that a piece had been cut off for an apron—I appointed to see her again at eight in the evening, and Is saw her at her brother's—I asked her what kind of dress the cashmere dress was, and she said an old one, and unpicked; that she had had it for a deceased relative—she said that the cuffs matched a large fur cape, and that they were squirrel-fur—she said one of the water-coloured portraits was of her sister, and the other of herself—she described the sizes-one was in a gold frame, about eighteen inches, and the other a miniature, in a black enamel frame—on 4th Sept., on my return to my office, I found Fitzgerald there, about ten—she was ordered into my room—I asked what she wanted—she said her name was Fitzgerald, that she was servant to Miss Beaumont, and she had called for the purpose of giving me information respecting the fire in

Long Acre—I took down what she said on this paper—(reads)—"I heard Miss Beaumont say to Baxter that she would give him 20l. if he would set fire to the house; this was three months ago. She said she was highly indebted, and she owed three quarters rent to her landlord, and he would not grant her a lease, and therefore she would injure his house. Accordingly she kept sending me out with her clothes to pledge; this was about last Saturday fortnight, but others were taken about three weeks before that. She told me it was to pay her landlord, and instead of that, when she received the money altogether, and the trinkets, she told me that she would take the money and trinkets to Mrs. Robinson, of Oxford-street, shoemaker. On last Thursday week a young man called upon Miss Beaumont, and took her out, as they said, to the Hay market theatre—on that day, before they went, she agreed with Baxter to set fire to the house, but he never said he would or he would not do it—she laid down 3l. on the dresser, and said to him, (Baxter), 'I won't give it into your hands, in case that I should be put to my oath that I gave you any money'—Baxter took the money up—I was standing at the sink washing cups and saucers up—after that, Miss Beaumont and her young man went away, leaving myself and Baxter in the house—when Miss Beaumont was gone, he turned round to me, and said if he could get 50l. to do it, he would not do such a thing, and he would go off into the country before she could pull him up for the money—he then went away—in the course of the day I heard Miss Beaumont and the young man in conversation about setting fire to the house—the young man said to her, 'Get three shillings-worth of powder, and put it into some greasy paper, and place it near the fire, and it will blow the roof up'—Miss Beaumont returned half an hour after Baxter had gone—the young man came the next morning to breakfast—Beaumont told him how Baxter had served her out about the money—he was there all day talking to Miss Beaumont about the fire, settling how it should be done—she promised him 20l., and also that when she got her money, she would go to Australia with him, and if I would like to go with her she would take me as her servant, or if not, she would give me some money—I told her I did not want her money, and that 1 was never bribed to do such a thing-Miss Beaumont sent me out for a threepenny stamp, upon which they wrote something which they told me was by the God above, this secret was not to be revealed by either of us—she signed this paper after he had done so, and then made me put a cross to my name to it—after doing this I got frightened and ran away, and went to my cousin—Miss Beaumont came after me there, but she did not see me, as I had hid myself—this was in the afternoon, from one to four o'clock—I returned to Long Acre about half-past four—Miss Beaumont went out and bought me a pair of bouts, and brought them to me, and told me she was going to Cremorne Gardens that night with the young man, she would not return before one o'clock—she said that I had better go to bed after the shop was shut, and when she came home she would ring double—when I was at tea, Mrs. Robinson came in—she (Miss Beaumont) and the young man went up-stairs, and remained there more than an hour and a half-before Mrs. Robinson went, she took three or four large books out of the bar, on the shelf on the right hand side as you go into the bar from the coffee-room, over a little box—Mrs. Robinson said they were nice books, and it was a pity that they should be destroyed, and I said, 'Do you know that my mistress is going to do such a thing? and she answered me and said she never was astonished so much as when she returned to her own home, after she had been out during the day, to find a large parcel or Miss Beaumon's containing duplicates and money and

clothes—the parcel also contained two 5l.-notes, gold and silver, and the policy—Mrs. Robinson left Long Acre about nine o'clock—Miss Beaumont, before she left, gave me orders to put the kettle over the gas and leave the boilers over the fire—I did as she told me—at a quarter to eleven I went to bed, not thinking that Miss Beaumont had set any trap for me—at about a quarter to twelve I was awoke by the ringing and knocking of the police—my room was full of smoke—I got up the steps of the cock-loft, I could not go further, and Mr. Tucker sent two of his young men—I had only my night-gown and cap on—my gown I slipped on outside my night-dress—I went into one of Mr. Tucker's bed-rooms, and I went that night to Miss Beaumont's brother's house—Miss Beaumont and the young man came to King-street, Seven Dials (Beaumont's brother's house) about one or two o'clock in the morning—the next day she wished me to keep with her, and wished me to say everything she wished me to say about her clothes, her money, and other things that had been destroyed—I have been here and made a statement, some of it is true, and some is what she told me to say, which is not true—Baxter took my box away on the Tuesday previous to the fire—I slept four nights, commencing on Saturday, at Mrs. Moore's, No. 2, Bell-court, Gray's-inn-lane—on Wednesday night I slept at my cousin's, at Deptford—his name is Dan Fitzgerald, 2, Lower Deptford, near the Dockyard, 3 gardener—Miss Beaumont's sister, Mrs. Matthews, a fruit-saleswoman in the Borough-market, bought me a pair of shoes on Thursday after the fire—on Thursday, Miss Beaumont promised me 20l., if I would stay with her and do as she told me—Mrs. Matthews also wanted to take me and Miss Beaumont over the water with her, and take a famished room for us—I told her that I would not go, but would still lodge at Mrs. Moore's—I slept there that night, and have continued to do so—before the fire Miss Beaumont gave me, to take care of for her, a file of bills, two brass-work baskets, her own likeness, and that of her sister, a brass lock, and a box containing some bills"—I had seen Baxter before that, on the Saturday morning at the Westminster Fire-office—he was not in custody or under charge—on his arrival, I was sent for—I knew nothing of Fitzgerald—she had been and made a statement before.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. Was she not excited in making this statement to you? A. She was not at all so.

ELIZABETH ROBINS . I am the wife of James Robins, a shoemaker, at 385, Oxford-street—I know Beaumont—she came to my house on Friday, 25th Aug., the day that the fire took place—she came about one o'clock—she had a parcel on her arm, and asked me if I would allow her to change her dress—I said, "I expect my husband in to dinner; you know he does not like it, but you can go with my little girl to change it"—she went up stairs, but I did not know what part she went to—I did not see her when she came down—I saw her that evening in her own house—she had shortly before that had a pair of boots from my house, and I went for the boots or the money—Miss Beaumont said I should have them—there was a woman present, but I do not know her—Miss Beaumont said to her, "Shall I tell Mrs. Robins?"—I did not hear the answer—Miss Beaumont said to me, "We are going to have a fire"—I looked towards the parlour and said, "Why you have got one"—she said, "We are going to have another"—she asked me if I could give her change—I said, "No"—she asked me to lend her 5s., which I did—she then went out with a young man—she said, before she went, to the servant, "Give Mrs. Robins that little parcel," and that parcel contained the boots—after Miss Beaumont was gone I asked the person who was there

to be quick in giving it me—the person who was left there was a woman, a servant, I suppose—she was washing up some cups and saucers—I thought at Bow-street that Fitzgerald was the person—to the best of my belief she is, but I could not swear to it—she asked me for change—I said I had not got it—she then said would I mind the place while she got it—she said she was dry—I said, "Why not take some coffee or tea?"—she said she did not take that—I said, "Well, bring in a sip of beer"—when she came back she asked me if I heard what Miss Beaumont said—I said I heard her say she was going to have a fire; I thought it was in another part of the house—she said, "No, I am to set fire to the house"—I asked her over again, and she said the same—I said, "You are never going to do such a thing as that, are you?"—she said she had promised Miss Braumont—I said, "You will be handed if you do that; you must be mad, or have some bad advisers"—she then said a man named Baxter had 3l. to do it the night before—I asked who this man was—she said he was a low-lived fellow in Covent-garden market—I asked her where he was—she said he had gone away—I asked her who was in the house the last night—she said herself—I said, "Well, as you are here to-night I hope you will not attempt to do such a thing"—she said she had promised Miss Beaumont—I said, "Never mind what you promised her; for God's sake do not do it; you will surely be hung"—she promised me faithfully she would not do it—she said Miss Beaumont had been to my house—I said, "Yes"—she said, "What did she come for?"—I said, "I suppose to change her dress; she brought a clean one"—she said, "If she did that was not all, for she has left 40l. and a lot of duplicates at your house"—as I was going back to my own house I took three books, and I said to her, "Tell Miss Beaumont I shall expect to see her to-morrow, or else on Sunday, when the house is closed"—I went home, and went into a room in my house, I found a lot of duplicates, a lot of stamped receipts, a lot of papers, a dress, and 4l. 12s. in silver, loose, 6l. in gold in a small tin box, and two 5l.-notes in a pocket-book—they were in a small unoccupied room at the top of my house, where Beaumont had gone with my little girl—they were all in the room, with a dress covered over them, so that no one would see the parcel—they were rolled up in two separate rags, and there was a little basket as well laid on the chair—I brought them down stairs, and put them in a little box, and locked them up—I took them to my neighbour, Mrs. Garratt, 7, Wardour-street, and asked her to be kind enough to let me leave them there—I took all there but 8s., which Beaumont owed me, and which I took out—I saw Beaumont the next morning early, as near as I can recollect it was half-past five o'clock—I said, "What has brought you here?"—she said, "Oh my place has been on fire?"—I said, "Then that wretch has done it, has she?"—she did not make any answer—my bell rung, I had a child very ill—she left, savin" she would come again that day—she came again, and asked me for an officer or a lawyer—I asked her what she wanted, and she said, "Perhaps you can tell me how to make out for a fire insurance"—I told her she got me in great trouble by coming there; that I had never had a fire, and I hoped I never should, but I had a sister who had had a fire, and she might go to her—I could not say much to her, as my husband was cross—she went away, and did not come again till the Monday, when I told her what the servant had stated to me about the fire, and asked her if it were true—she would not make me any answer to it—I said, "Will you take your few things that you left?"—she said she could not take them then—I said, "You must, for I could not have them left in my

house, and was obliged to take them out"—she left, and on the following Tuesday morning she came again, she said for her money—while she was there Mrs. Matthews came—she said that Baxter was waiting for Beaumont, and she must go home directly—I understood that Baxter was waiting at her brother's—before Miss Beaumont went, she said I was to give the money to her sister—I went to King-street—I there saw Miss Beaumont, Fitzgerald, and Baxter—Mrs. Matthews told me that Fitzgerald was the servant—I directly said to her, "Oh, did you not promise me you would not do such a thing?'"—she said, "Yes I did"—I said, "Did you do it?"—she would not answer—I got the parcel and the duplicates back from Garratt, and gave them to Miss Beaumont—I unlocked the little box and took them out—I did not count the duplicates till the next day—there were forty-two or forty-three—when I left Miss Beaumont's house I had a small parcel, which I concealed with the boots.

COURT. Q. Did you leave the house by yourself, or did anybody go with you? A. I left it by myself.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. You saw Miss Beaumont about half-past five o'clock the next morning? A. Yes—she said, "There has been a fire"—I was astonished to hear it after the statement I had heard—I sent Miss Beaumont to my eldest sister who lives at Hackney—she had had a fire some years before—I had got home on the evening before, and was in my shop by a quarter before nine—when I first went to Long Acre it was a little after seven—I had not tea there—I went to a shop in Drury-lane, and stopped there some time—these are the books (produced).

Cross-examined by MR. CHARNOCK. Q. How long have you known Beaumont? A. Fifteen years, and her family—occasionally when I have been out on a Sunday I have called—I used to be very friendly before her mother died, but since then there has not been so much intimacy—I have been to the coffee-house—I may have seen Fitzgerald there, but I do not recollect her—I may have been there six times in the last twelve months—I was not long in conversation with Fitzgerald on the Friday night—Beaumont left me in the house for the servant to fetch me the boots—I did not stop there long—I was standing the whole time—this conversation took place in the bar—there was no person there—the coffee-room was full of people—I had only a small parcel, and the books—I took the books of my own accord—I have been in the habit for fifteen years of having books to read—I did not say it was a pity these books should be burnt—one of these is a penny work put together—it has gone forth in the public press that I stole three beautiful books—Beaumont has come to my place before and changed her dress—I did not go up into the room after she had left—I looked at these things, because it was said that I had got 40l.—I took out 8s.; 5s. for one pair of boots, and 3s. for another—I was applied to by Sergeant Thompson to give evidence, about a week after the fire—I did not give him any information—I did not know anything about it—I could not say that they had done it—on the day after the fire, Beaumont seemed in a wild distracted state, as if out of her mind—I do not know that she is a woman of weak mind—I have known her many years—I believed them to be respectable till this.

MR. PARNELL. Q. Who let you out of the coffee-house? A. I think the servant—I went down Angel-street—I did not pass James-street—I never go that way home.

RICHARD AVANT . I am assistant to Cottrill and Harrison, pawnbrokers, in Drury-lane. I produce a length of satin for a dress not made up, a remnant

of satinette, an embroidered velvet shawl, twenty-five aprons, a victorine, a pair of cuff's made of squirrel fur, a cashmere dress, and a number of dishes—they were pawned on the 19th and 21st of Aug. by Fitzgerald—the piece of black satin was pawned with another piece—she stated she only wanted a sum of money, and they were left for security—on the satin was lent 2l., and on the satinette 2l., and on this shawl, with two other articles 1l. 1s.—that is nothing like the value of the articles—she said they were going into the country, and merely wanted the money for the journey—I placed them in separate parcels for her to send for them, the officer, Thompson, has produced to me the counterparts of the duplicates—I have a number of other things pawned—the money lent on them was about one-third of their value—Thompson produced a bank-note to me—it bears my writing on it—when I paid Fitzgerald the money I gave her a 5l. note—I believe this to be the one by my writing on it.

MARY PETTIT . My husband is a shoemaker. We live in Bell-court, Gray's-inn-lane-Mrs. Moore lives in the same house—I saw Fitzgerald on 4th Sept.—she said, "We have had a fire at our house"—I said, "Indeed"—she said, "Yes, and mistress has done it"—I said, "She had no business to do it, because she was in trade"—she said, "She gave me her clothes to pawn for 28l. "—she said she was going down stairs, and heard her mistress's young man say to her, "Get 3s. worth of powder, put it into a greasy paper, and put it under the library where the books are, and put a lucifer match to it"—she said she was going to give herself up that morning, for she knew it would be a Newgate job, and there were fourteen of them in it—she said she thought she had better give herself up before it was advertised in the paper, and she knew she should be transported—she said her mistress had promised to give her 20l., and the young man was to have 20l.—she did not say who had told about it—she said the young man would not have split against them had her mistress given him the money.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. Did she tell you she had been awakened that night by the ringing of the bell? A. She told me she went to bed, and was awoke by a dreadful smother, and the ringing of the bell, that she was dragged out of bed by a butcher, and two men, over the top of one or two of the houses—she was perfectly sober, but she was irritated.

CATHARINE MATTHEWS . I am the sister of Emma Beaumont—I went with Mr. Robins to Mr. Garrett's, in Wardour-street, on 28th Aug.—Mrs. Robins brought away a parcel—it was taken to King-street, where Beaumont's brother lives—I saw it opened the next morning—it contained forty-two duplicates, and two 5l. notes—I took the parcel home with me at night, and brought, it back to my sister the next morning—my sister bad it when Mr. Pocock called—she did not give it to him, she gave it to me—I took it to my brother's, 13, King-street—my brother said, "I do not want to have anything to do with it"—I laid it on the counter—I think I left it there on Monday.

Cross-examined by MR. CHARNOCK. Q. Did Beaumont tell you what it contained? A. No—I took it home, and took it to her the next morning—I said that it contained duplicates and money—she said, "That is what I pawned to pay my rent."

JOSEPH THOMPSON (police-sergeant, F 11). I was present at Mr. Storr's when he took down the statement made by Fitzgerald—on the Monday after the fire, I went to Beaumont's brother's, at King-street, Long Acre—I found forty-two duplicates which relate to the clothes, and other things pawned at Messrs. Cottrill's, in Drury-lane—they are the corresponding duplicates to

those which the pawnbroker's assistant has produced—I found a flower-pot in the area—I turned it out, and found a portion of the duplicates there covered with mould—the other duplicates I found up stairs in a tin-case which was filled with sand—I produce these two pictures; one is the miniature of Beaumont, the othrr is a likeness of her sister, who is dead—I produce a 5l.-note, which has Messrs. Cottrill's assistant's writing on it—it was brought to Bow-street by Mrs. Matthews.

ANN GARRETT . I am waitress at the Aldersgate dining-rooms, in the Minories. In May last I was in Beaumont's service, at 53, Long Acre, for about six weeks—I left her on account of her mentioning about a fire—she wished to take me to the theatre with her one night, and she said she thought she could set the man Baxter to set fire to the house while we were away—I do not know the words I used, but I refused to do it—she spoke about it two or three times in a similar manner—I gave her still the same answer, and that I wished to leave her—I was to receive a present for it, but I do not know what—the last time she spoke to me about it I told her similar to what I had said before, and that 1 should leave that day—I left that day—I do not know the day of the month; it was in June or July, I suppose—I was there about six weeks.

Cross-examined by MR. CHARNOCK. Q. When you left where did you go? A. To a lodging, in Queen-street—I have been out of a situation ever since—I have waited in the Minories—I have a husband—I spoke of this to the person I lodge with, but I did not give information to the office.

WILLIAM POCOCK (police-sergeant, F 14). I took Beaumont in custody at Mr. Storr's auction-rooms, on 4th Sept.—I told her she was charged with being concerned, with others, in setting fire to her house in Long Acre, on 25th Aug.—she said, "I was out at the time"—I went to Mrs. Matthews, and obtained there some dresses and aprons, a bonnet, and some papers, and receipts and bills—amongst them were receipts for the Insurance money—on the previous Saturday, I saw Beaumont and Mrs. Matthews together—I saw them go to a house in Soho, at which bouse Fry was afterwards taken.

CATHERINE MATTHEWS re-examined. The 5l. note produced was in my sister's basket, which I took to Bow-street—I did not examine the papers; I gave the bundle as I received it from my sister—they were in the basket, I believe—they were in the same bundle with the other things.

PAUL GERRARD . I am attached to the fire-engine department—I went to the bouse in Long Acre on the night of the fire—I was called about twenty minutes past eleven o'clock, and got there in ten minutes—I found the back part of the house, No. 53, on fire—the front-door was closed when I got there—I broke it open—I and one more walked in together-from what I saw I judged the fire had begun in the coffee-bar at the back part of the house—there were books burning; after we had extinguished the fire, we discovered them to be on the floor—all the coffee-bar was on fire all round—we afterwards noticed that there was a boiler in the fire-place, and a kettle over the gas—the gas projected from a post, and the kettle hung over it—I did not see any gas alight—I mean the kettle was hanging over where the gaslight—burner was—the wood-work all round the bar was on fire, the back-front of the window, and back of the house—the fire had scorched the shop, but it had not broken the windows in the front shop—I and my companion succeeded in putting the fire out in about a quarter of an hour—I afterwards went over the premises, and examined them carefully—in the first floor there was a pianaforte, a wardrobe, a carpet, a table and chairs in the front-room, and in the back-room a bedstead, a bed, and blankets—in the second-floor front-

room was a four-post bedstead and window-curtains, and some things in the back-room I did not examine the books that were burning in the bar at that time, but when I was there on duty, we counted them as nearly as we could, and found about 538 volumes—we could not discover what they were that were on the ground—many of them were all cinders—they were in a heap on the floor—they were torn by being flung down—as nearly as we could collect them, we did—I found a ladder on the top-floor against the cock-loft—there was no one in the house—the greater portion of the books were lying on the floor.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. Were any of them on the shelves? A. Yes; there were some-in all there were about 538—I cannot tell what proportion was on the floor—there were three or four shelves on the left hand side—they were more or less scorched and burnt with the fire—the shelves on the opposite side of the bar had all fallen down—supposing the books were on those shelves, they would have fallen—under where the shelves were described to have been, I found the books; and where the shelves had not been burnt, I found books on the shelves—I could not judge how long the fire had lasted before I came—the house was very full of smoke—I could not examine whether there had been a fire recently in the bar; by the water being thrown in, we extinguished it all—the shelves were about three feet from the fire-place.

RICHARD THOMAS PUGH . I live in Salisbury-street, Strand. I am agent to the landlord of the house in Long Acre—at the time this fire occurred, Beaumont owed 42l. rent—she had made application to me some time ago on the subject of a lease—the answer I gave her was that we could not grant one—I put in a distress on the things that were left after the fire—they were sold under that distress for 26l. 14s. 6d.—there are three landlords, Mr. John Bird is one, aud William Salter Bird another—it is trust property for eight children.

Cross-examined by MR. CHARNOCK. Q. Who are the landlords now? A. I can hardly tell you that—the trustees were Mr. John Bird, Mr. William Salter Bird, and Mr. John Swinnerton Cunliff, but he has been deposed by the Court of Chancery—I was appointed by the Court to receive the rents, and Mr. Cunliffe was to sign a document.

MARLOW SIDNEY . I am one of the attorneys for the prosecution—I served a notice on Beaumont on 14th Sept., to produce on this trial a policy of insurance effected with the Westminster Fire-office, and also a certain agreement on a 3d. stamp.

MR. CUTLER. I attend from the Westminster Fire-office—this insurance was effected at our office—this is the book in which the entry of insurance is made.

GEORGE STEPHENSON . I was a clerk in the Westminster Fire-office when this entry in this book was made—the sum insured was 400l.—it was first effected on the 26th January, 1838, in the name of Hannah Beaumont, who was the prisoner's mother—here is in this book an assignment of it to the prisoner on 25th Jan. 1845—this indicates that the interest was vested then in Mary Ann and Emma Beaumont—I should suppose that assignment was made on the policy.

MR. CUTLER re-examined. I made this entry of the assignment of this policy—I cannot say at the present moment whether I had the policy before me, or whether I saw it—the course of business is to enter the assignment on the policv which is brought at the time—I cannot say whether I have seen Beaumont at the office—supposing the policy to be lost or destroyed, the

effect of the entry in our book would be to pay the person whose name appeared on the entry—it is the practice of the office to endorse assignments on the policy, and to record in their book the fact of that assignment—we do not give any deed of assignment, or any separate paper—the policy stood in the came of Hannah Beaumont, and we had instructions to transfer it to Mary Ann Beaumont and Emma Beaumont—that was on the 25th Jan., 1845—the premium was paid, and the policy was transferred from Hannah Beaumont to Mary Ann Beaumont and Emma Beaumont—on the payment of another premium on 10th Feb., 1847, it was transferred to Emma Beaumont alone—this receipt—(looking at one) is in my writing, No. 81384—"Miss Emma Beaumont, to insurance of 400l. on goods received, 1l. 1s. 6d. for premium and duty."—Mr. John Hill is one of the proprietors of the Westminster Fire-office—Mr. Benjamin Elam is another, and there are other proprietors.

Cross-examined by MR. CHARKOCK. Q. How do you know Mr. Hill is a proprietor? A. From his signature in our books—they are signed by John Hill and Benjamin Elam.

GEORGE STEPHENSON re-examined. This entry was made on 22nd Feb., 1838—Mr. Elam is a proprietor, but he is not a director, at present—Mr. John Hill was also a director at that time.

HENRY O'BRIEK . I acted as clerk to the Magistrate, at Bow-street, when the examination of the witnesses in this case took place—after the examination, Fitzgerald was asked if she desired to say anything—it was explained to her that if she did it would be given in evidence against her—I took down what she said from her lips—this is it—(reads—"From the time I entered Miss Beaumont's service, Miss Beaumont kept me a prisoner. She told me that she was highly indebted, and that she was talking to Baxter about setting the house on fire. She would not let me speak to Mrs. Moore at all. I gave her warning to leave; she would not take my warning; she knew that I was very easily led, and she began to flatter and coax me to stay with her. She told me she was going to Australia with Baxter and her brother; that she would get a farm and land there with her insuring-money, and that if I wished it I should go with her. I refused to go. She used to go down and speak privately with Baxter; they talked very seriously together for about three weeks. Miss Beanmont has asked me to open the feather-beds, and two of them I opened for her, and filled bolsters and pillows with the feathers, and I pawned them two or three at a time by her direction. I pawned some of them at first in the name of Smith, and the others she told me to pawn in my own name, bat that I was to give a wrong address. I pawned a great many dresses, china, and other things, for Miss Beaumont. I took out a great many boxes and bundles for her. I showed Baxter the money and the duplicates for most of the things I pledged. She sent me up stairs to coax Baxter to set the house on fire, and to tell him that if he would go to Australia with her she would marry him when she got there. About two days before the fire I brought down two bedsteads by Miss Beaumont's direction, and I assisted her in chopping it up. She said she wanted to set fire to four places to destroy the whole house. On the Thursday before the fire happened, Miss Beaumont spoke seriously to him about it, and it was agreed that the house should be set on fire that night. He went away, and when he was gone Miss Beaumont sent me for a 3d. stamp. She told me to go for Baxter, and she said she wished me to be a witness that she gave him 3l. to set the house on fire that night. I went for Baxter, and I showed him. the stamp, and told him that he was to have 3l., and that he was to sign his

name to that. He said he would not du it for 50l. When I canie back, the prisoner Fry was in the coffee-room, and when Miss Beaumont came in she said she was going to the Haymarket Theatre with Fry, and that Baxter was going to set fire to the house then. When Baxter told me he would not have anything to do with it, I made myself perfectly agreeable to him. When Fry came into the bar she blew out the candle, and lowered the gas. She then went out to the Haumarket, with Fry, and then Baxter told me he would not do it for 50l., and that he would go off into the country, and he did go. She returned home about half an hour after going away. Her brother was in the coffee-room. She told me that Fry had left her, and that she felt miserable; and that thinking the house was on tire she came out to see how the place was getting on. She staid looking out for Baxter till half-past twelve o'clock, and then told me he had acted very wise not to do it that night, because it was the Opera night. She then said she would do it herself if she could not get any one else to do it. The next morning she sent me to look for Baxter. I found Baxter's late master, Mr. Davis, and he came up, and saw Miss Beaumont, and told her that he (Baxter) had gone into the country with a young man "hopping." Miss Beaumont then told me that she would try and get the prisoner Fry to do it. He (Fry) came, and had break-fast that morning, and she told him how Baxter had served her, and then said she would give him (Fry) 20l., and me 20l., if we would do it, and we both refused. She then persuaded Fry to put his name to the stamp, and she put her own name to it, and she made rue put my mark to keep the secret. She read it over. The words in that paper are the same I gave Mr. Storr. She wished Fry to sleep in the house. He refused. I heard Fry say to Miss Beaumont, 'If you get 3s. worth of gunpowder, and put it in a paper, that will blow the house up.' She said, 'Would not turpentine do better?' In the evening she told me she was going to Cremorne-gardens with Fry. In the evening Mrs. Robinson came, and she went up into the front room with Miss Beaumont and Fry; and after that Mrs. Robinson came down stairs, and took three books, and she said it was a pity they should be destroyed; and she said to me, 'Be sure to do it, and do it so that it will not be known that it was done with hands.' I told her not to be puzzling me. She said I was to be very careful how I did it. I did not answer her either way. She said she was frightened, Miss Beaumont had told it to too many, and that it would be found out. The night of the fire Miss Beaumont and Fry went to Cremorne-gardens. That night after they were gone, Baxter came to the private door, and he asked me what Miss Beaumont had said about his not setting fire to the house. I told him she said he had done very right, as it was the Opera night. He said he would not do it for 50l. I said if he did not do it somebody else would, and that perhaps I would; and I told him it was to take place either that night, or the night after. He said be never intended to do it, and he went away. I fastened up the doors. I washed a coarse apron, and then hung it up before the fire in the bar, on the back of a chair, near enough to catch fire. There were files of bills hanging round by the fire. I went up stairs to bed, and was in bed about an hour, I suppose, when the ringing and the knocking came, and I was almost smothered with the smoke. I got up, and went up the steps that Baxter had taken up stairs, and I got out through the sky-light on to the roof, and then began to cry. I was taken down, and I was afterwards taken to Beaumont's, in King-street, and there Beaumont and Fry came to me, and asked me how it took place, and I said I did not know; and Fry asked me how it took place, I said I did not know. Miss Beaumont gave me three books and a writing-desk,

and told me that if Baxter said anything I was to join her, and swear that he had stolen them. I went away from her, and saw nothing of her till the next day. She told me to say that the dresses I had pledged for her, and the china I had pledged for her, were burnt in the fire; and she also told me to say that the pictures she had given to me to take care of were burnt in the fire. She said as soon as she got the insuring-money she would go into the country, and take me wirh her. She told me to say at the Fire-office that there were two 10l.-notes, two 5l.-notes, and some gold and silver in the little box that she gave me, which there were not; for there were no 10l.-notes; there was no money at all, except a few halfpence that I had put in. She told me to say that the satin dresses were also burnt. After I came from the Fire-office we went to 53, Long Acre, and Mrs. Matthews was with us; and Beaumont said that I should come over the water with her, and Mrs. Matthews said, 'Would it not be better to have 6l. or 7l. than to be raking about.' On the Monday following I went with Beaumont to the Fire-office, and from there to her brother's, and then she told me that if I saw Baxter I was to snap my fingers at him, and that if he said anything she would charge him with stealing bird-cages, books, a desk, and carpenters' tools, and that I was to do the same; and I did not see her again until I was in custody. I met Baxter, and he told me that he would give information, and that I had better come forward and speak the truth, whatever I might suffer; for he was sure to give information. I have nothing further to say; my mistress has led me astray.—MARY JANE FITZGERALD, + her mark.—Taken before me this 13th Sept., 1848.


(John Levrell, a muffin-baker, in West-street;----Holmes, of Crown-court; William Wells, a baker, James-street, Covent-garden; James Night-ingale, a servant, at King's-college; and Richard Thomas Pugh, gave Beaumont a good character.)


FITZGERALD. Aged 25.— Transported for Seven Years .

BEAUMONT. Aged 26.— Transported for Fifteen Years .

THIRD COURT.—Monday, October 30th, 1848.


Before Edward Bullock, Esq., and the Sixth Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2358

2358. DANIEL CAMPBELL, JOHN SMITH , and WILLIAM WILSON , stealing 1 truck, value 18s., the goods of William Whittle Johnson and others; and ISAAC BUTLER , feloniously receiving the same.

WILLIAM FROST . I live at York-place, Stepney. On 4th Oct., about nine at night, I and another boy were standing at Butler's door, in Ocean-row, Stepney, it is a marine-store shop, I saw Campbell go in—in about two minutes the other two prisoners went in with a truck—Butler was not there—Campbell asked Butler's daughter if her father was in the house—she said, "No, you must come in a quarter of an hour"—he said he would come in half an hour—he went away and came back in about three quarters of an hour—the other two came just after him—in about twenty minutes Butler came—he and Campbell began talking—the others stood outside—they then took the truck in and shut the door.

Smith. Q. Did not the other boy say we were not the men? A. He could not swear to you—I knew none of you before.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Have you ever been charged? A. No.

CHARLES TIBBY (policeman). I went to Butler's shop and found the shutters and door shut—I pushed it open and found a truck in the passage upside down with one wheel off, and Butler standing in the passage with a hummer in his hand knocking off the nut—the other three prisoners were standing in the shop—I called in a policeman and asked Butler what he was doing with the truck—he said, "Breaking it up for old iron"—I asked him how he got it—he said, "It was brought here while I was out by some one; I do not know who"—I asked if he knew the others—he said he did not, or why they were waiting—I took them to the station—they said they knew nothing of the truck.

Cross-examined. Q. Did not Butler say to Edwards, "You go out into the street and keep the peace?" A. Yes—the door was only on the catch.

JEREMIAH FRANCIS HOLLAND . I am foreman to William Whittle Johnson and his partners. This truck belongs to them—it was kept in a back shed—the axletree was broken, and it had only three wheels—I saw it safe the day before—Campbell worked there two or three years ago.

Campbell's Defence. I went to the shop to inquire about selling some fat, and met these men there.

CAMPBELL— GUILTY . Aged 27.— Confined Three Months.

SMITH— GUILTY . Aged 39.—WILSON— GUILTY . Aged 29.— Confined Two Months.

BUTLER received a good character— NOT GUILTY .

Reference Number: t18481023-2359

2359. MARY ANN WATSON , for a robbery on William Ebblewhite, and stealing from his person 1 watch, 3 seals, and 1 ring, value 2l. 10s., and 4 sovereigns, and 1s.; his goods and moneys. (See page 788.)

WILLIAM EBBLEWHITE . I live at 30, Nottingham-place. On 8th Sept. between seven and eight in the evening, I was in Fieldgate-street—I was surrounded, and received a violent blow with a blunt instrument on the back of my head, which deprived me of my senses—when I came to I missed my watch from my waistcoat-pocket—the guard had been cut—my pocket was turned out, and four sovereigns and a shilling were gone from it which were safe five minutes before—I called, "Thieves! Murder!"—the watch was returned to me—I have suffered from concussion of the brain ever since; I never had an hour's illness before.

BENJAMIN BENJAMIN . I live in Brick-lane. On 8th Sept. I saw Mr. Ebblewhite in Fieldgate-street—four women followed him to Whitechapel church—they then surrounded and knocked him down—he took his umbrella to knock them off—I do not know which knocked him down—the prisoner was one of them—she had a baby with her—I saw her take four sovereigns from his pocket—Julia Leonard, who has been tried, took a pen-knife from her pocket, cut his guard, and took his watch—they ran away.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Was there no policeman? A. I had not seen one for a quarter of an hour before—I was only two or three steps from the women—I work with my father, a cap-maker, and am sixteen years old—I have had 24s. for being a witness—I could not say whether there was a shilling taken as well as four sovereigns—the prisoner knocked me down—another woman was taken up and discharged by the Magistrate, because

Solomons swore she was not the woman, hut he had been bribed—I have not said I could only say what Kelly told me.

THOMAS KELLY (police-sergeant, H 2). Benjamin described the prisoner to me—I took her on the step of the Union, and told her the charge—she cried—she had a child with her—next day, taking her to the Court, she asked me who was there—I said persons who witnessed the assault and robbery—she said she did not see them there.

Cross-examined. Q. Was it not that she never was there in her life at all? A. No—Benjamin and Solomon were a few yards behind—I took her thirteen days after the robbery.

BENJAMIN SOLOMON . I live in New-street, Houndsditch, and am a cigar-naker. I saw Mr. Ebblewhite knocked down by four women—he was going to knock them down with his umbrella, but could not, and they knocked him down—the prisoner was one—I do not think she had a child with her—I knew her by sight—she took the sovereigns and a shilling out of Ebblewhite's pocket, gave one to each woman and ran away—Leonard cut his guard and took his watch.

Cross-examined. Q. Who was the shilling given to? A. She kept it—I was about two yards off—I have had 24s. for being a witness.

(The prisoner received a good character.)


Reference Number: t18481023-2360

2360. CHARLES DENECKE , stealing 2 pair of shoes, value 20s.; the goods of John Henry Von Mallen, his master, to which he pleaded

GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined Two Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2361

2361. CHARLES PETT , stealing 4 handkerchiefs, 8 boots, 2 coats, and other articles, value 5l.; the goods of Samuel Pole, his master.

MR. HUDDLESTON conducted the Prosecution.

SAMUEL POLE . I am a Major in the army, and live at 10, Great Maryle-bone-street. The prisoner has been in my service since June 1847—I received information, unlocked some portmanteaus, and missed scarfs, waistcoats, and other articles which had been packed away for the winter, and some boots from an open stand—I spoke to the prisoner about it—he said, "I think you took your scarfs when you went to Lord Warteringbury's last winter, and left them there"—I was convinced I had not, and gave him in charge—I saw some duplicates found in his box—these things are all mine (produced)—they must have been obtained by a false key.

JONATHAN EDNEY (policeman, D 103). I took the prisoner—he pointed out his box to me—I found this small box in it, containing seventeen duplicates—he told the major he had pawned a mustard-spoon, dessert-spoon, and fork—I asked where the duplicates were—he said at bis mother's, and told me where she lived—I went there, found three duplicates, and got the things from the pawnbroker's with them.

WILLIAM JONES . I am assistant to Mr. Smith, pawnbroker, of South-street, Marylebone—I produce a coat, two scarfs, a handkerchief, and a dessert-fork—some of these duplicates found in the prisoner's box are what I gave.

FREDERICK COLLINS . I am assistant to Mr. Thompson, a pawnbroker. I produce three pairs of Wellington boots and two waistcoats, pawned by the Prisoner, I believe, the boots on the 20th Sept., in the name of John Smith, the waistcoat and handkerchiefs on the 3rd Oct.—I find the corresponding duplicates here.

ALFRED GIRDLESTONE . I produce two waistcoats and two handkerchiefs, pawned at Mr. Walter's, High-street, Marylebone—the corresponding duplicates are here.

AMOS GIRLING . I like with Mr. Green, pawnbroker, of Marylthone. I produce a pair of Wellington boots—I find the corresponding duplicate here.

GUILTY . Aged 17.- Confined Twelve Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2362

2362. WILLIAM FOWLER , stealing 1 spoon, value 12s.; the goods of Ellis James Gilman, his master.

MARY ANN COX . I am in Mr. Gilman's employ, and the prisoner also; he used to come two or three hours in the day. On Tuesday, 11th Oct., at ten o'clock at night, the plate was safe in a basket—on Thursday morning I missed one table-spoon—it had been brought down on Wednesday for breakfast, but taken up-stairs again at eleven o'clock—I spoke to the prisoners about it on Friday morning—he said he knew nothing about it—I saw him with this handkerchief on Tuesday or Wednesday morning—this spoon was in it—it is Mr. Gilman's, and was in the basket.

Cross-examined by MR. HUDDLESTON. Q. Was the handkerchief round his neck? No, in his hand—the cook and nurse-maid are not here.

THOMAS CROSSLEY . I am a pawnbroker. I produce a spoon, pledged on 11th Oct., in his name of "William Fowler," by a bigger boy than the prisoner—I believe this handkerchief was round it.

Cross-examined. Q. Have not you another spoon pawned in the name of "William Fowler?" A. Yes; on 17th July.

PHILIP STEVENS (policeman). I took the prisoner, and told him the charge—he said he knew nothing of it.

MR. HUDDLESTON to MARY ANN COX. Q. Was the boy in your master's employ on 17th July? A. Yes—I did not swear, before the Magistrate, that he was not—I cannot exactly say whether he was.

(The prisoner received a good character.)


Reference Number: t18481023-2363

2363. JAMES GEORGE LIOT , stealing 1 dinner-wagon, value 3l.; the goods of William Mills.

HENRY BRAILEY . I am in the service of Mr. Mills, cabinet-maker, of Oxford-street. I saw this dinner-wagon safe at the door, at three o'clock, on 7th Sept., and missed it about twenty minutes to four—the prisoner was employed there two or three weeks before—I saw it again on 25th Sept., at Mrs. Morgan's, at Kensington, for sale.

HENRY BRADLEY . I am in the service of Mrs. Morgan, an upholsterer, of Kensington. On 23rd Sept. the prisoner was at work there, and asked me if I thought Mrs. Morgan would buy a dinner-wagon—I said, perhaps she might—he said he should be glad if I could sell it for him; that it was in pledge—I spoke to Mrs. Morgan, and had the wagon brought from Mr. Aldous's—this is it (produced).

JOHN ALDOUS . I am a pawnbroker, of Berwick-street. On 7th Sept., the prisoner brought me this dinner-wagon—I think he said he had made it for sale, but could not raise money enough on it, and should pledge it—he did not bring it in, it was too large—he said something about a man outside,—he afterwards applied to me for a "Declaration," which I gave him, he having lost the ticket—on 23rd Sept. he redeemed it, and took it away.

ALFRED LINDSAY (policeman). I took the prisoner, and told him the charge—he said he did not steal it, he took it of a man named Smith.

Prisoner's Defence. I met a man, who asked me to pawn it for him; I

was going to Mr. Aldous's tobuy a hammer, and pawned it there; if I had known it was stolen, I should not have pawned it where I was known.

GUILTY . ** Aged 49.— Confined Twelve Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2364

2364. WILLIAM HOGG was indicted for embezzlement.

MR. METCALFE conducted the Prosecution.

CHARLES TRIVETT . I am foreman to Mr. Defines; the prisoner was his errand-boy. On 22nd Sept. he was sent with a gas-meter to Mr. Campbell, of High-street, Shadwell—I gave him a bill of 2l. 4s. 1d., and a return-ticket, to be signed if the parties were not at home—it was the first errand he had been sent on from that shop, but he had been employed at the other factory—he did not bring back the money—he said Mr. Campbell was not at home—I asked him for the ticket, and he said they would not sign it—that is the case sometimes.

WILLIAM HOLMES . I am in the service of Mr. Campbell, of High-street, Shadwell. On 22nd Sept. the prisoner brought a gas-meter—I paid him 2l. 4s.—he signed this bill in my presence (produced).

Prisoner's Defence. I lost the money, and did not like to tell him; I had saved it up all but 10s.

GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Four Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2365

2365. GEORGE GROVES , stealing 1 dung-fork, value 2s.; the goods of James Bugbee; having been before convicted.

WILLIAM STERNEY . I am horsekeeper to James Bugbee, of Palmer's-village, Westminster. On Saturday afternoon I saw the prisoner loading dung at my master's—the fork was missed—this is it (produced), I know it by the eye—it is James Bugbee's.

ROBERT HENRY RIGGLESFORD (policeman, T 26). I took the prisoner at Stanwell, with this fork on his shoulder—I asked how he came by it—he said it was his, that he had been at work for Mr. Price; then, that it belonged to Mr. Price; and then to Mr. Price's carter—I took him to the carter, who denied it—I took it to Mr. Bugbee.

Prisoner's Defence. I laid it down, with three others, and did not know which was Mr. Price's.

ROBERT HENRY RIGGLESFORD re-examined. I produce a certificate of the prisoner's former conviction—(read—Convicted Nov. 1843, and confined eighteen months)—I was present—he is the person.

GUILTY . Aged 26.— Confined Twelve Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2366

2366. JAMES BEACHAMP , stealing 1 pair of trowsers, value 8s.; the goods of Joseph Goldeney; and GEORGE NEWMAN , feloniously receiving the same; Beachamp having been before convicted.

HARRIETT GOLDENEY . I am wife of Joseph Goldeney. These trowsers are his—I missed them on 18th Oct.—they were safe on a rail half an hour before.

JOSEPH AMBRIDGE (policeman, T 162). I found Beachamp at the King's Arms, and told him 1 wanted him for stealing a pair of trowsers from Mr. Goldeney—he said he had not stolen them—he said going to the station he had stolen the pair of trowsers, and sold them, with some jackets and boots, for half-a-crown—I took Newman, and said I wanted the trowsers he had bought of Beachamp—he said he had not—I said he had—I went to his lodging with him and he pulled them from between the bed and sacking.

----(policeman). I produce a certificate of Beachamp's conviction—(read—Convicted July, 1845, and confined three month)—I was present—he is the person.

BEACHAMP— GUILTY . Aged 17.— Confined Eight Months.

NEWMAN— GUILTY . Aged 26.— Confined Three Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2367

2367. RICHARD PENDRILL and MATTHEW COX , stealing 19lbs. weight of sugar, value 8s.; the goods of the London Dock Company.

MR. METCALFE conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES ROBERT WHITE (Thames police-inspector). On 13th Oct., about eight o'clock, I saw a bag of sugar on the quay in the London Docks, which had been cut open in two places—it was not full, but the other bags were—some sugar was spilt near there—I went on board the Red Port, which was ten or twelve feet from the bag, and found the prisoners and another in the forecastle—a light was burning, and a bag of white sugar, similar to this, was lying in the locker—Frazer handed me a pillow-case, containing 7lbs. of white sugar—I asked the prisoners if it belonged to them—they said they knew nothing about it—I went to a hammock which Pendrill said was his, and found in it a small box, containing 5lbs. of the same kind of sugar, with "R. P." on the lid—I asked him if it was his-be said, "Yes, those are my initials; I do not know what is in it"—I opened it, and said, "It is sugar"—he said, "1 know nothing about it"—on the locker I found a bag, containing 4 1/2 lbs. of the same kind of sugar—in a bed which Cox said was his, I found a bottle, containing brown sugar, at the bottom, and white sugar, like this, at the top—it weighed 5lbs.—Cox said, "That is mine"—I asked where it came from—he said, "From the quay"—I said, "Where from?"—he said, "From a bag;" that was in Pendrill's hearing—I took Cox to the bag, and said, "This bag is cut"—he said, "Yes, that is it; but I did not cut it"—I took a sample from it, and it corresponded with the sugar found—that in the box was patted down, I think, by a spoon, to make room for some clothes.

Cross-examined by MR. HUGHES. Q. Do you know the other man's name? A. No—he did not abscond till eight o'clock next morning—I am told he ran away from the vessel, and left his clothes and money—when Cox said, "That is the bag," Pendrill was not within hearing—he said nothing in Pendrill's presence to induce me to believe Pendrill had stolen any sugar—Pendrill denied all knowledge of it.

Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. Did not Cox tell you he saw some persons helping themselves, and took a little himself? A. No.

CHARLES FRAZER (Thames-policeman. 73). I was with White, and found Pendrill sitting on his chest in the forecastle, with an iron spoor, close by him, with white sugar on it, and a small portion of sugar on the chest lid.

Cross-examined by MR. HUGHES. Q. Did you accuse either of the prisoners that the spoon belonged to them? A. No—I said "This has been used," and gave it to the inspector—the prisoners did not deny it.

ROBERT THOMPSON . I am a foreman in the London Docks. On 13th Oct. I weighed a bag of sugar—it was 1cwt. 1qr. 23lbs.—I weighed it again next day; it was 19lbs. less, and had two cuts in it—it was safe when I left at five o'clock, and was in the custody of the London Dock Company.

(The prisoners received good characters, and a captain engaged to take Cox)

PENDRILL— NOT GUILTY . COX— GUILTY. Aged 19.—Strongly recommended to mercy. Confined Seven Days .

Reference Number: t18481023-2368

2368. JOHN WESTERDALE , feloniously receiving 39 brass rules, value 14s.; the goods of William Spottiswoode and another, knowing them to have been stolen; to which he pleaded

GUILTY .— Confined Eighteen Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2369

2369. JOHN WESTERDALE was again indicted for feloniously receiving 24lbs. weight of lead, value 5s.; the goods of George Cook.

MR. BODKIN offered no evidence.


Reference Number: t18481023-2370

2370. ELLEN TYRRELL , stealing 3 shillings and 2 sixpences; the moneys of Alfred Hagger, her master.

ALFRED HAGGER . I keep the Rose and Crown, Broad-street, St. Giles's—the prisoner was in my service eighteen months—she used to act in the bar. On Thursday, 5th Oct., I marked six shillings and eight sixpences, and put them in two tills at each end of the counter—in about half an hour I missed a marked shilling and two marked sixpences—I sent for an officer, and asked the prisoner in his presence when I paid her her wages last—she said in May—I said, "Yes; what money have you in your possession?"—she said, "1l. 12s."—I asked if she could account for that—she said, "It is mine"—I said I suspected she had been robbing me, and I had put marked money into the till and missed it—I said if she would tell me the truth I would forgive her—she still denied it—her box was brought down from her bed-room after she was taken to Bow-street—I know it was hers, because she bought it of my wife—the officer broke the lock, and found 30s. in gold and silver—there were twenty-six sixpences, two of them marked, and three marked shillings; also this halfpenny—these are them—they are marked as I marked them.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. She still denied it when you promised to forgive her? A. Yes—I meant to keep my word—she had nursed my wife in an illness with the greatest kindness, and having been maid of all work got promoted to the bar—I had a very good character with her—I had missed money before, and had discharged two young men in consequence—I never marked any sixpences before-my wife serves in the bar occasionally—she may have seen to the till two or three times a day—she saw me mark the money, but did not know I had placed it in the till—all the marked money was gone, but I afterwards found one marked shilling in a bag into which I had cleared the till—the prisoner had the whole control of the bar and till—she could only give change for half-crowns—she would not change gold from the till—I always clear the till at night—I take 6l. or 8l. a day—the prisoner once brought half-a-sovereign which she had found on the floor—she could have kept it—her wages were 8l. a year—3l. odd is due to her—I am willing to pay it—I have been in the habit of sending her out for things—she had that money from my wife's purse, not from the till.

GEORGE BASHFORD (policeman). The prisoner was given into my charge—I took her to the station, went back, broke open a box which the prisoner had pointed out to me as hers, and found 30s. and a halfpenny—three shillings and two sixpences were marked.

(The prisoner received an excellent character.)


Reference Number: t18481023-2371

2371. ELIZA POWNALL , stealing 1 painting and frame, value 10s.; the poods of William Hughes, having been before convicted.

WILLIAM HUGHES . I am a picture-frame maker, of East-street, Maryle-bone. On 5th Oct., about half-past eight o'clock, I was in the parlour at the back of my shop, and saw the prisoner come in, take something from the

back of the counter, and go clown the street with it—I followed her—she crossed the street twice—I stopped her in Blandford-street with this painting and frame under her shawl—it is worth 10s., and was safe five minutes before.

JAMES HANDLEY (policeman). I took the prisoner, and saw Mr. Hughes take the picture from her.

Prisoner's Defence. I have been out of my mind for a year and a half, and in Bethlehem, and do not know what I am doing when in liquor.

JAMES REGAN (policeman). I produce a certificate of the prisoner's con-viction—(read—"Convicted March, 1848, confined three months ")—I was present—she is the person.

GUILTY . Aged 48.— Confined Six Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2372

2372. WILLIAM HENRY TAYLOR , stealing 1 pump, value 30s., fixed in certain land belonging to Robert Beal Jefferson:—2nd Count, of James Eves and others.

ROBERT BEAL JEFFERSON . I live at Hounslow, in the parish of Eston—this pump produced is the property of James Eves and others—I am their tenant—it was in a yard behind the house—it was fixed against a wall, and the wood went into the ground.

Cross-examined by MR. O'BRIEN. Q. Do you know the prisoner? A. I have employed him—the pump is made of lead, cased with wood.

JOHN PATFIELD . I rent part of Mr. Jefferson's premises, and have the use of the yard, stables, and the pump, which belongs to James Eves and others—the yard is occupied by me and Jefferson only—I rent under him—I saw the pump safe on 23rd Oct., about eleven in the morning, and missed it next morning about a quarter past six—this (produced) is it.

Cross-examined. Q. Was it fixed to the wall or in the ground? A. The wood in the ground, and the metal by holdfasts to the wall.

JOHN SCOTNEY (police-sergeant, T). I examined Mr. Jefferson's wall, and heard a knocking in the skittle-ground of the Marquis of Granby, which is close by—I went round and saw the prisoner run from the skittle-ground into a stable, with this hammer and chisel in his hand—I said, "What have you been knocking up there?"—he said, "Nothing"—I left him in charge of a constable, searched the skittle-ground, and found this part of a pump behind some boards, I took it to the stable to the prisoner, and said, "You will make no worse of this job, where is the remainder of it?"—he pointed to a loft, and said, "It is up there"—I went up and found this other part—I said, "Now where is the nozzle?"—he said, "In my pocket," and gave it me.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you know him before? A. By sight—I knew no harm of him—this part of the pump did not go into the ground—it is broken off level with the ground, and part is left behind.

JAMES EVES . The place is mine, my brother-in-law's, and two others—we let it to Mr. Jefferson.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY. Aged 25.—Recommended to mercy. Confined Four Months.

OLD COURT.—Tuesday, October 31st, 1848.


Before Mr. Recorder and the Third Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2373

2373. WILLIAM PHILLIPS , feloniously cutting and wounding Henry Childs on his elbow, with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

MR. BRIARLY conducted the Prosecution.

HENRY CHILDS . I live at 5, Mahomet-yard, Chelsea. On Tuesday last, about half-past five o'clock, I was with the prisoner—he had a pen-knife cutting a piece of stick to a point—he kept pricking me in the side with it—I told him if he did not give it to me, I would take it away from him—I took it away, and he said if I did not give it to him, he would job the knife into me, and in his passion he stuck the knife into my elbow—I was struggling with him at the time; he was trying to get the stick away from me—he aimed at my side, and I put my arm up, and received the blow on my elbow—it bled much, and I was taken to a doctor's—he was about half a yard from me, Dear enough to have struck my side, if I had not raised my arm—my arm is very bad now; I have not got the use of it—I am still under the doctor's care—a policeman came up immediately after it was done.

Prisoner. We were struggling, and the knife pricked his arm by accident—he hit me in the eye. Witness. We were not struggling when the knife struck me—we had both hold of the wood—he struck me with his right hand—I did not hit him in the eye, or at all: only as he was going to hit me I pushed him away-none of the people passing by told me not to hit him—I knew him before by playing with him in the street—he is twelve years old; I am fifteen—he pricked strangers with the wood besides me, as they went along the road—none of them are here.

JONATHAN HARRIETT (policeman, A 245). I came up after the scuffle was over, and Childs was sitting on the kerb-stone, and his arm bleeding violently—he told me Phillips had stabbed him in the arm—the prisoner said it was with a piece of stick, and not with a knife—this is the piece of stick (produced)—there was a point to it, but it is broken off—I took the prisoner into custody—the prosecutor was taken to a doctor's—I searched for the pen-knife, but did not find it—the prisoner did not appear to have been struck—he complained at the time of having been struck in the eye.

WILLIAM BYGRAVE . I am a surgeon, and live at 40, Lower George-street, Chelsea. On Tuesday last, Childs was brought to me, bleeding from a wound at his elbow, half an inch deep—it bled a good deal—it was not a dangerous wound—he has not yet got the use of his arm—I have not seen him since Thursday—I told him to come, but he has not been—it is much better now (looking at it)—it is rather stiff—there is no inflammation—I should think be might use it better than he does—there is a trifling swelling—it required hot fomentations—his mother tells me that has been done—it is such a wound as might be made by a pen-knife—he will be able to use it in a week.

Prisoner's Defence. The prosecutor has told a great many lies; I never thought of saying such a thing as he said I did.


Before Mr. Justice Wightman.

Reference Number: t18481023-2374

2374. SARAH FREEMAN was charged, on the Coroner's Inquisition only, with the wilful murder of her infant male child.

MR. BODKIN conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM CUMMING (police-inspector, B). In consequence of a letter I received on 14th Oct., I went to Mr. Baring's, 13, Eaton-place, Belgrave-square, about eight o'clock in the evening—I saw the housekeeper, and in consequence of what she told me, I desired a constable that I had left outside to go in pursuit of the prisoner—I waited at the door, and he soon returned with the prisoner and a basket—I took her into the housekeeper's room, and

desired her to put the basket on the table, which she did—I then said, "I have received information that you have lately been delivered of a child"—she said, "Yes, sir, I am sorry to say I have"—I said, "Where is it?"—she pointed to the basket, and said, "It is in that basket"—(I did not tell her she was not bound to answer my questions unless she chose—I told her who I was, and my business)—I said, "When was it born?"—she said. "on Saturday last, between two and three o'clock"—I said, "How long did it live?"—she said, "Only a few minutes"—I said, "Where were you going to take it?"—she said, "To a woman in Chelsea, who promised to bury it for me"—after this, she said, "Oh, sir, what do you think will be done to me; tell me your real opinion; do you think I shall be hanged?"—I said, "It is impossible I can know "—she said, "I would not have done it, if that woman had not promised to put it out of the way"—I then took her to the station, and the basket also—Mr. Pearce, a surgeon, was called in—I examined the basket in his presence, and found it to contain the dead body of a male child, forced into this stocking—the whole of it was forced into the stocking, headforemost—a mark, which was on the upper part of the stocking, was cut out—it was wrapped round with this piece of gown, and I found a gown of the same stuff in the prisoner's bed-room—I searched the room, but could not find any baby-linen, or anything of the kind.

HARRIET NUTTALL . I am housekeeper to Mr. Baring, Eaton-place. The prisoner was cook there, and had been in the service five months—at the time this matter occurred, the family were out of town—I, the prisoner, and the housemaid, were the only persons there—I spoke to the prisoner several times about her supposed pregnancy—I said I thought she was in the family-way; she always denied it, and said she was not—I last spoke to her about it about a month before the policeman came—on the Sunday before he came, I asked her what had been the matter with her, and she said she had a very bad sick headache—I said I saw a little difference in her size.

Cross-examined by MR. CLARKSON. Q. I believe she was a very kind—hearted, good-natured creature? A. She was; I know that some person from the Queen Dowager's household has been in attendance all this session to speak to her good character.

MR. PEARCE. I am surgeon to the police. On 14th Oct., I was desired to examine the body of a child at the station-house—Inspector Cumings was present—it presented the appearance of a full-grown male infant, born at the full period—it had eighteen inches of the umbilical cord attached to it, which had been divided, without any ligature, and the body had been forced into the half of a stocking—I opened the body, examined the chest, removed the lungs and heart, and from the appearance they presented, I was fully satisfied that the child had respired—the lungs did not appear to have been completely inflated—it is sometimes the case that a child will have a partial or even a full respiration before it actually leaves the mother's body—there was extravasated blood within the lips; the eyes were strongly injected with blood, and the membranes of the brain, and the brain itself, gorged with blood; those symptoms are all referable to pressure—I cannot say confidently that those symptoms must have been occasioned by pressure after the child had wholly left the mother's body—there were no marks of external violence.

Cross-examined. Q. In your experience, how long a time have you known the head of an infant to be protruded from the body of the mother, and the remaining portion of the body to remain within? A. Without assistance it night be an hour or more—in the course of that time a child would breathe—the amount of my judgment in this case is, that the child had been alive

in the body of the mother, and that it had breathed when the head was from the mother's body.

(Margaret Collins, wife of Stephen Collins, page to the Queen Dowager, gave the prisoner a good character.)

GUILTY of Concealing the Birth. Aged 26.— Confined Twelve Months.

Before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18481023-2375

2375. FRANCIS SHEA and CATHERINE SHEA , feloniously cutting and wounding Mary Cox, with intent to murder her.—3rd Count, to do her grievous bodily harm.

MESSRS. RYLAND and LAURIE conducted the Prosecution.

MARY COX . I am the wife of Michael Cox, of 7, George-passage, Snow-hill—he has rented the house for four years—we let part of it—the prisoners lodged in the second-floor front room-in the course of Sept. they owed us eight weeks rent—we asked them for it, and could not get it—we then gave them notice that they must either leave or pay—my husband went to a broker, and while he was gone Mrs. Shea came down, to me, and said, "Tell your husband to bring up the bill?"—I said he was not in; when be came in I would tell him—she came down twice after that—my husband and the broker came in afterwards—they went up, and could not get into the room; the door was locked-Mr. Shea said he was to bring the bill by-and-by, and he would pay it when his wife came in—she was out then—she afterwards came in, and went up stairs—she went out twice again, and after she went up again I went and knocked at the door—Mr. Shea opened it—I said, "Mr. Shea, this is the broker's-warrant; will you settle this, and leave in peace?"—he said, "I will pay you"—I had gone into the room—Mrs. Shea came in at the time, and struck me with something, I did not see what, over the head, and knocked me down—she said nothing to me—Mr. Shea jumped on my stomach, as I was on the floor, and threw himself with his knees over my chest and stomach, and held me down, and she kicked me violently in the lower part of my body; I am very lame now—I screamed out "Murder!" and my husband came up to my assistance—I afterwards saw Mrs. Shea with a hammer—when my husband came in they got off me, and went to him, and Mrs. Shea knocked him down with a blow of the hammer on the forehead—I got up, and said, "For God's sake, Shea, do not kill my husband!"—he said, "Yes, I will, and I will do for the pair of you"—I threw myself over my husband, trying to keep him from the blows, and then I turned round—I saw a shoemaker's knife and hammer in each of their hands—she had a large hammer with a large bottom to it, and he had a small one—we were beaten with them, and cut in two—I was cut in the back of my head—I bled violently, and then they got off, as we were covered with blood—they got up to shut the door, arid I got up as well as I could, covered with blood, with no cap or anything on—I got to the window, screamed out "Murder! for God's sake, come to my assistance, for my husband is lying dead on the floor!"—Mrs. Shea ran after me to the window, and when she saw the crowds of people she said, "I will disperse that mob; you shall not have any witness," putting her hand to some flower-pots that were there, and throwing them out—she took me by the legs, and tried to throw me out—I held by the window by my two hands, and she could not get me out—she took my shoes and stockings from me in trying to get me from the window—she gave me several blows with the large hammer again on the back of the head, as she could not get me from the window—she then went back to Shea, who was nailing the door on both sides, to prevent its being opened, as he heard

the people coming up, and she said, "Death or glory! we shall be hung for them, we may as well kill them"—he said, "Yes, and we will kill every—one that comes in"—she said, "Yes, we will kill the first that comes in"—the door was afterwards broken open—while that was doing I took mv husband between my arms, and he was there till we were released—they stood one on each side of the door with a knife and hammer in each of their hands—we were both taken to St. Bartholomew's Hospital to be dressed—I was not then an in-patient, but after the Tuesday night I went, and remained there very nearly a fortnight; but I was forced to come home, as there was no one to mind my house-my husband was an out-patient.

Cross-examined by MR. EVANS. Q. How long had they lived in your house? A. It may he four months—I wanted them to leave six weeks before, and could not get rid of them in any way—Mrs. Shea told me to tell my husband to bring up the bill, and I said he was not at home; when he came in I would tell him—they would not let me in when I went up with the broker—only Mr. Shea was in the room when I went in—we did not make out a bill of the rent, we thought there was no occasion—I cannot say what they meant by saying they would pay the rent when we brought up the bill—they often promised money, and did not pay it—they were to have paid weekly—they had paid their rent all but eight weeks—the prisoners' daughter was not in the room when I went in—I did not see her there that morning—this is the first time I have got into such a quarrel as this—I am bound over to keep the peace through Mrs. Shea—she said my daughter, who is fourteen years old, was in the family-way by her own brother, and Mrs. Baldwin, a shoemaker's wife, and me, were both bound over to keep the peace through this woman—we did not have a fight—I asked her what made her take my girl's character away—a policeman, 274, came up to the door—he was not sent for—she was calling me and my husband swindlers—I did not send for the broker because the prisoners were going to the police-office to get a warrant against me for assaulting the female prisoner—we had given them written notice about twelve o'clock on the Saturday—I have been bound over to keep the peace on no other occasion—I was in prison once, through some people who came into my place drinking, and lost some money—they brought a policeman back, and swore they lost it at my place—I was going to strike the policeman, and I was sent to prison for that—I cannot say whether it was an indictment for a riot; no charge of that kind was ever made ngainst me—I never assaulted a gentleman—the female came in while I was there, and found me in the room with her husband—I did not think she was going to strike me; she struck me without any provocation—I was standing talking to her husband about settling and leaving in peace when she came in—I showed him the warrant when I first went in—the broker told me I could serve it—I went up to show it to him, thinking he would settle it—I could not seize his goods; I could not do anything myself—the broker took them afterwards—I did not lay hold of the chairs, and say I would seize them—I laid hold of nothing—there were no chairs there, but two old ones—I do not think they were broken then; they were broken before—they had had the things pretty well carried away—I cannot say whether anything else was broken—there was no table there that I saw, for I had too much trouble on my mind when I laid hold of my husband-before my husband came I did not lay hold of the chairs, and say I would seize them on the warrant; I did not say anything—I did not knock the flower-pots out; she did, for fear I should have any witnesses—they were outside the window—there was not a good deal of noise before the woman came up—I had only

been there three or four minutes-no one was in the room underneath; there was a young man in the garret, but he did not interfere—I do not know whether he was there at the time—I first saw the hammer in her hand when she struck my husband—after I got up from being knocked down they got off me to go to my husband—when they struck him he said, "God! I am dead!"—I did not take up parts of the chairs, and strike the prisoners; nor did my husband—I had not been drinking at all.

MICHAEL COX . I am the husband of the-last witness, and am a tailor. Some time before Sept. the prisoners were lodgers of mine for four or five months—they owed me some rent, and five weeks before this happened I told them to go away—they would not leave, and I could not get my rent—I employed a broker to distrain, after I had given them written notice—the broker's warrant was left with my wife, on Monday the 18th—I went out that day, leaving my wife at-home—when I came back I heard a noise—went up, and found her and the prisoners in their room—I turned about to speak to Shea, and the woman struck me with a hammer and knocked me down senseless—I did not see anything done to my wife—I had not time—I was knocked down the moment I went up—it appeared to me that they had been ill-using her—I had no time to see whether she was bleeding or not—I remained senseless till I was taken out of the room—I do not know what became of my wife—the woman struck me with a large shoemaker's hammer—I did not see any other hammer in the room at that time.

Cross-examined. Q. When did you give the notice? A. I gave the legal notice on the Monday morning week—I had given several verbal notices before that—I wanted them to go out—they left word when I was out that they would pay the rent if the bill was sent up—I demanded the rent several times; not with the broker—they would not let me in when I went with the broker in the morning: the girl asked who was there—I said it was me—the male prisoner said, "What do you want?"—I said, "I understand you want to settle," or something of that sort—he said, "I will be down directly," and the broker and I went down—he did not come, and the broker sent my wife up to know if he was coming down, and he sent back word that he did not want to see me—the broker said it was no use stopping, seeing they kept their door shut, and he left the warrant with me, saying I could serve it, and to get into the room, stop in the place, and send for him—I did not see anything done to my wife—the prisoner's daughter was in the room in the morning—she was not there when I went up—I had been out two hours—I was taken to the hospital the same night, and had my wounds sewed up—I had four wounds in my head—they struck me three times after I was knocked down.

SAMUEL TAAFFE (City-policeman, 212). Between four and five o'clock on Monday afternoon, 18th Sept., I went to George-passage, Snow hill, and saw the two witnesses standing at the window looking into the street—their faces were altogether covered with blood—I went up-stairs, and could not get into the room—I came down, got assistance, and the door was broken open—I found Shea standing rather behind his wife, with this hammer in his hand (producing it)—it is rather small, apparently a shoemaker's hammer—I seized him, took the hammer from him, threw it down, and got him down stairs, and took him to the station—when I got into the room Cox and his wife were standing at the window, looking out—they were injured.

Cross-examined. Q. What was the appearance of the room? A. The furniture appeared to be altogether broken and thrown on the floor—it consisted

of chairs, stools, and hammers—it was all thrown on the floor and broken—there was no glass—a crowd of people was in the street—I saw the two Cox's at the window, and when I got into the room they were in the same place—the prisoners were close to the bed, in a corner—I did not observe anything in the female prisoner's hand—I did not see any blood on the prisoners—I did not examine them—I took the male prisoner, because he had a hammer in his hand—he was in his shirt-sleeves—his shirt was torn—he had his trowsers on—I expected he was the person who had struck Cox, from the appearance Cox presented—Cox had a wound over his eye, and two or three cuts at the back of the head—I cannot say whether they had been drinking—they were very much excited—they made a noise—I did not hear "Murder!" called—I did not hear the prisoners call out.

BOHLE HARRIS (City-policeman, 288). On the afternoon of 18th Sept. my attention was called to Cox's house—I saw Mr. and Mrs. Cox at the window of the second-floor room, which was open—there was a deal of blood about their beads and their breasts—they were crying out "Murder! "—I saw some garden-pots thrown out of window—a great number of people were below—I do not know who threw the pots out—I went up-stairs, succeeded in breaking open the room door, went in, and the two prisoners were in the room—Shea had this hammer in his hand—it was then smeared with blood—I did not observe the woman do anything—this other hammer (produced) I received at the station from the sergeant on duty—it was taken there by somebody, I do not know who—it was covered with blood—when I got into the room, Cox and his wife claimed our protection; their heads were cut and bruised in various places—they were covered with blood, and there was a deal of blood on the floor; it looked like a slaughter-house.

Cross-examined. Q. Everything in the room was in a state of great disorder? A. There were some chairs there, which were broken—there was no table.

THOMAS ELLARD . I am a tailor, and live at 18, Peter-street, Cow-cross. On the afternoon of 18th Sept. my attention was drawn to George-passage, Snow-hill—I saw Cox and his wife at the window, covered with blood flowing from their heads—I assisted the policemen in breaking open the room door—I went in, and saw Mr. and Mrs. Cox and the prisoners—the male prisoner was in the act of getting under the bed, the female was by the side of it—I observed blood in the middle of the floor, on the wall, and on tie window-ledge, at which I had seen them looking out—I assisted in taking them to the hospital, and saw their wounds dressed.

CHARLES MILES . I am house-surgeon at St. Bartholomew's Hospital. Mrs. Cox was brought there first—she had two cuts over the left side of the head, and bruises about the body—the cuts appeared to have bled—she continued in the hospital ten days—the cuts were dangerous for a few days—she went out on 28th to go before the Magistrate—she was not then perfectly recovered—she was out of danger—they were lacerated, irregular wounds, such as this hammer would have been likely to produce.

Cross-examined. Q. How many wounds had she on the head? A. Two on the left side—one was about an inch and a half in length, a sort of triangular wound—neither of the wounds exposed the bone—they were both about the same size on the frontal bone and the parietal bone—any wound on the head is liable to be dangerous—these did not turn out so—they were liable to produce erysipelas—a scratch might in some cases do that, such cases have occurred—the bruises were all over the ribs, and to the right knee—she was insensible when she came, and appeared rather stunned—I think that arose

from the effect of the blow—she is quite well now—she has a lameness in walking, from the bruises—that might have arisen from falling on her knees—there were no marks of kicking on the lower parts of her person—I examined the abdomen—I did not see any appearances there, not lower than the ribs—there was soreness.

COURT. Q. Had the bleeding ceased when she came in? A. Yes; she was suffering from the effects of the blow—I do not think the bleeding would have a tendency to relieve her from the stunning effects of the blow—it might do so a certain time after the receipt of the blow, but not directly.

(George Newland, furrier, of 42, Newgate-street, Francis Harris, brass-finisher, of 2, Elizabeth-court, Whitecross-street, William O'Connor, surgeon, 49, Red Lion-street, Clerkenwell, and Benjamin Levy, grocer, of 28, Hosier-lane, City, gave the prisoners good characters.)

FRANCIS—Aged 50. GUILTY on 3rd Count

CATHERINE—Aged 35. GUILTY on 3rd Count

Transported for Ten Years. Confined Two Years .

There was another indictment against the prisoners for the felonious assault on Michael Cox.

Reference Number: t18481023-2376

2376. WILLIAM WYNNE , feloniously attempting to discbarge a loaded pistol at William Cornick, with intent to do him grievous bodily harm; 2nd COUNT, with intent to prevent his lawful apprehension and detainer.

MESSRS. RYLAND and ROBINSON conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM CORNICK (City-policeman, 483). About two o'clock in the morning of 28th Sept. I was on duty in Upper Thames-street, and saw the prisoner loitering about the beat—I asked what he wanted there, and put several questions to him—he made no answer—Sergeant Reynolds came up and put several questions to him—he made him no answer, but walked away—I saw him again about a quarter to four, in Thames-street, at the corner of Garlick-hill—I said, "What! do I find you here again, old boy; you must give some account of yourself; I cannot have you hanging about here"—he turned round, and said, "You b----r, I have got it in for you for last night; I owe it to you"—I had not seen him the night before—I had never seen him till that morning—I went up to take him into custody, when he presented a pistol at me and said, "You b----r, take that!"—I had got within about a yard and a half of him—he aimed at my face, but it missed fire—it flashed but did not explode—the prisoner then ran away—I pursued him, springing my rattle, and he was stopped in Queenhithe by Davis—he presented the pistol at Davis, and told us to keep off; the first that came near him was a dead man—I struck him with my staff—he ran and fell, and the pistol dropped from his hand—I picked it up, and took him to the station—this is the pistol (produced).

Prisoner. I was drunk. Witness. He was perfectly sober—he said either I or some other policeman had insulted him the night before.

ROBERT DAVIS (City-policeman, 491). About four o'clock in the morning of 28th Sept. I heard a rattle spring at Queenhithe, went towards it, and saw the prisoner standing in the middle of the road parleying with Cornick, and saying, "You b----r, if you come near me you are a dead man"—when he saw me making towards him, he presented the pistol at me, and said, "The first b----r that comes near me is a dead man!"—I said, "Wait a minute, don't be in such a hurry"—he retreated, and placed his back against the wall of Queenhithe Church, saying, "Keep off, you b----rs, or I will shoot you; the first b----r that comes near me I will shoot him"—while his attention was directed to me, Cornick stepped up on one side and struck him a blow with

his truncheon, which stunned him for a moment—I then tried to secure him but he ran down Queenhithe—I followed, he fell, and threw the pistol from him—I secured him, and he was taken to the station—I there found on him this small velvet bag containing a quantity of percussion caps, and in his left trowsers pocket, two shillings in silver and fourpence in copper—he had no powder on him—I had never seen him before—I had not heard of his having been molested by any policeman the night before—he was not intoxicated.

CHARLES WALLER (City-police-inspector). I was on duty that night—I examined the pistol and found in it two balls, one larger than the other at the bottom of the pistol, and the smallest one and a piece of brown paper at the top—there was a small quantity of powder at the bottom of the pan, so as to have discharged both balls had it gone off—it has a screw barrel, and I found the screw on the prisoner—there was no cap on the pistol when it was gives to me—the cock was down, as if the trigger had been drawn—I asked the prisoner where he lived, and he said in the neighbourhood of Tower-street, but he could not say where—I asked how long he had been in this country—he said about three weeks—he did not say where he came from—I have ascertained that he came from Roscommon, in Ireland, about a month before—he said he had bought the pistol at a shop for 6s.—I asked where—he said he did not know—I asked why he pointed it at the policeman—he said he had been pushed about by the police the night before, and he intended to go and shoot the policeman—there was some gunpowder remaining in the pistol—I put on one of these caps next day and fired it off; it went off very loud.

MR. SAMUEL ROBERT GOODMAN . I am chief clerk to the Lord Mayor, I was present when the prisoner was examined—he was asked whether he chose to make any statement—he made a statement which I took down, and be signed it—(reads—"The reason I did it was what the policeman says—I may have made a mistake—it was him or some other policeman that pulled me about the night before."

GUILTY, on the 1st Count. Aged 24.— Transported for Ten Years .

NEW COURT.—Tuesday, October 31, 1848.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Sixth Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2377

2377. FREDERICK YOUNG and ELIZA YOUNG , stealing 27 yards of drugget, and other articles, value 3l. 14s.; the goods of John Wood and another, his masters.—2nd COUNT, feloniously receiving the same; Frederick having been before convicted.

MR. BALLANTINE conducted the Prosecution.

HENRY WOOD . I am in partnership with my brother, John Wood—we are carpet, blanket, and woollen-warehousemen, in Watling-street—Frederick Young was our carman for a year and a half—it was his duty to take out parcels for delivery—he was always about in the warehouse, with the other porters, waiting for orders—in consequence of information, I went, on 18th Oct., to his house—I there found a piece of drugget, a rug, sheets, and a carpet—this drugget was tacked on each side, as they are in our warehouse—I had seen the pattern in our warehouse—I know the rug; I believe it was made expressly for us.

Cross-examined by MR. MELLER. Q. How many persons are in the firm? A. Only my brother and myself—Frederick's duty was not confined to carting out goods.

THOMAS BRADLEY (City-policeman, 269). I went to 37, Albion-place, London-wall, with Siggol, and found Eliza Young on the ground-floor—she went up stairs—Siggol went up—I saw him bring down this drugget, rug, sheets, and carpet—Eliza Young came down just before him—I asked her how she accounted for this drugget being in her possession—she said some man brought it—I said, "What is his name?"—she said, "I don't know"—I said, "Where does he live?"—she said, "I don't know"—I took her into custody—I took Frederick Young the same day—I told him I had locked his wife up for having possession of some drugget, a hearth-rug, and several other things—he said, "I know nothing at all about them; if they are there they are unbeknown to me."

Cross-examined. Q. You never knew her by any other name than Mrs. Young? A. No—there were two children there.

WILLIAM SIGGOL (City-policeman, 290). I went with Mr. Wood and Bradley to the prisoners' house, and at the foot of the bed I found this piece of drugget tied up with string, and a sheet over it—in a cupboard I found a hearth-rug, and between the sacking and the mattress nine sheets—Eliza Young came up stairs—she said she knew nothing about the things, I must speak to her husband—I found this carpet on the floor.

Cross-examined. Q. Is it not a common place to keep sheets between the bed and mattress? A. Yes.

HENRY CRIVER . I am warehouseman to Messrs. Wood. Two pieces of this drugget came into our stock about ten months ago—I should say I saw this piece in stock about a month ago—there are twenty-seven yards and a half—it is worth 2l. 10s.—I believe these cotton sheets to be part of Messrs. Wood's stock—this is wrapping for blankets—I believe it to be Messrs. Wood's—I have the day-book here—I have examined it—I cannot find an entry of any rugs, sold between the 16th and 18th Oct., of this size—I believe this rug is my masters'—the prisoner never purchased such articles.

Cross-examined. Q. Is it a large establishment? A. There are twelve persons in the employ—this sheeting is very common; thousands of yards are sold every day, with the exception of one pair, which are not a common make—I believe they are made for us—there are no marks on these things—we mark everything—our mark is placed on a ticket attached to the piece, and that ticket is not here—I do not know the hearth-rug—I cannot say that none of this property has been sold by the firm; I believe the drugget has not been sold—Frederick Young was carman—he was not entirely confined to carrying out goods—he would come in the warehouse to take goods to the cart, and carry out the parcels during the day, if the cart was not going out.

GEORGE COLLINS . I am a hearth-rug maker. I made this rug for Messrs. woods' on their drawing—I made only two of this pattern—this is marked "2956," on the back, in my marking.

SAMUEL THACKERY . I am in Messrs. Wood's employ. I do not remember this rug going out; I remember its coming back on 6th Oct.—it is entered in the credit-book the day it was returned—I have looked through the day-book—it has not been sold since, and it is gone.

GEORGE BICKS . I am a policeman. I produce a certificate of Frederick Young's conviction—(read—Convicted Feb., 1843, and confined four months)—he is the man.

FREDERICK YOUNG— GUILTY of Stealing. Transported for Seven Years .


Reference Number: t18481023-2378

2378. JOSEPH MCLAREN and JAMES POMEROY BOOBNER , stealing 1 cash-box, 7 shillings, 10 sovereigns, 10 half-sovereigns, 20 crowns, 48 half-crowns, 100 shillings, 60 sixpences, 30 groats, and 1 5l. bank-note; the property of John Darker, in his dwelling-house.

MR. O'BRIEN conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM HARTUP . On the night of 22nd Sept., between seven and eight o'clock, I went to the Fortune of War public-house, Giltspur-street, and left about half-past three in the morning—there was a large party there; I was not one of them—I was in the bar between two and three in the morning—M'Laren was pot-boy there—about three o'clock I stood with my back leaning against the bar—the two prisoners were there—I heard behind the bar something rattle like money—M'Laren was then on his hands and knees behind the bar—I turned round, and a party had hold of Mrs. Darker's hand, and M'Laren had a kind of box and a bottle in his hand—there was gas in front of the bar—a number of persons stood against the outer-door, and Mrs. Darker was trying to get them out—M'Laren gave the box and bottle to Boobner, who stood close up against the bar door—they all left the house—the prisoners left together—I knew them before.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. Where were you? A. I stood with my back against the bar—I was not asleep—they might have seen me—there had been a supper up stairs—Mr. Darker was not up stairs all the evening—he might have had some supper up stairs—some of the persons were tipsy, and Mrs. Darker was desiring them to go out—the bar was not left unattended—I stood in front of the bar from a few minutes past twelve o'clock, till past three in the morning—M'Laren was taken on Saturday night, 23rd—I did not take hold of M'Laren—he was Mr. Darker's servant—I am in his place now—it was his brother that had a supper there that night—I had had two drinks of beer before twelve, and that was all—I had laid down a few minutes past twelve—there was a merry-making up stairs, but that was nothing to do with us that were down—Bill, the ostler, was down with me-his master's gig came; he went with it, and then came back again—he was drunk—I do not know how many people came in the evening, but from a few minutes past twelve, till half-past three, only one female came in, and Bill, the ostler—I did not go home; I had to get up early in the morning to go to work—it was late, and I did not care about going home—they call me "Ginger "—I had no regular employ then—I had been employed with Mr. Swanton, of Newgate-market—I never was in trouble—I was never before a Magistrate—I was at Bow-street because I ran on the pavement—I was in Chaplin and Home's employ; I lost a box, and did not like to pay 13l. for it; they would not have discharged me if I had—I was not charged with taking it—since then I have been employed for the Eastern Counties—I left because I had 190 deliveries to make; I was out till four in the morning—I brought some articles back, and they wanted me to pay 5s., and I would not.

SARAH DARKER . I am the wife of John Darker. We left the Fortune of War last Saturday; we kept it on 22nd Sept. On the night of 21st Sept., a large supper-party was given there by M'Laren's brother, in consequence of his having a fight; he is a pugilist—I examined my drawer about nine o'clock that evening; the cash-box was safe in it, with about 40l. in it, 5l. note, and gold and silver of every description—the drawer goes a very long way back; it is lower than the bar, it is under the till—a person would have to stoop down to go to it—it fastens with a nut, not a lock, and you have to pull with both hands—no one had any right inside the bar, but my husband, and I, and my children—M'Laren was my pot-boy about ten

weeks—he had no business inside the bar—he used to sleep in the house—on that night, he and Boobner, and two or three more, went out together—M'Laren afterwards asked Mr. Darker to let him go home with his brother—he went out a second time, came back, and went to bed—I went to take the cash box out after the people were gone, and missed it.

Cross-examined. Q. Was Mr. Darker up stairs? A. Yes; he came down again before the cloth was drawn, and never went up again—the party had very little spirits—I or my husband were in the bar from nine o'clock in the morning till twelve at night—M'Laren's brother fell down when they came down, and one or two fell on him—I had not taken any thing that night but what I ordinarily take—one of M'Laren's brothers (not the fighter) and another, a friend of his, remained all night in the club-room where they had the supper; one of them slept on the sofa.

GEORGE TURNER (City-policeman, 34). I took the prisoners—I found 3s. 6d. on Boobner.

(Boobner received a good character).

MCLAREN— GUILTY . ** Aged 23.— Transported for Seven Years .

BOOBNER— GUILTY . Aged 42.— Confined One Tear .

Reference Number: t18481023-2379

2379. HENRY FRIEDMAN , stealing 1 20l. bank-note, and 1 10l. bank-note; the property of Sarah Davis, in her dwelling-house.

(MR. PRENDERGAST offered no evidence.)


Reference Number: t18481023-2380

2380. JOHN HARCOURT SMITH , stealing 1 bill of exchange for 5l. 1s.; the property of John Lamp Wright, his master.

MR. BALLANTINE conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN LAMP WRIGHT . I am an auctioneer, of Windsor-terrace, City-road. I discounted this bill about 16th May—I put it into a drawer in a desk in my first-floor front room, where I usually place bills—the prisoner was in my employ about June—he had access to that drawer—when it became due, I went to the desk, and it was gone—I afterwards found it in a Mr. Vernon's possession—the prisoner had no right to take it—he had 1l. a week.

Cross-examined by MR. PARRY. Q. He was not in your employ in May? A. No; he came in June—he was only in my employ a fortnight—I did not miss the bill till 19th Aug., the day it became due—I gave the prisoner in charge about the 10th Oct.—I learned on that day that the bill was in Vernon's hands—I had not frequented Vernon's with the prisoner—I never was there but once, which was prior to that; the prisoner applied to me for money; I do not know whether it was 5l.—he had employed a solicitor, who refused to interfere—two days prior to my giving him in custody, I had quarrelled with him, and struck him, on his demanding the account—I went up to Worship-street for the assault—I mentioned to the Magistrate that I had lost a bill, and that I had some reason to believe the prisoner had taken it—the prisoner was the indorser of the bill; his mother was the acceptor—I did not send her notice that it was lost, and not to pay it to any one—I did not send to the prisoner, or give notice that it was lost—I never expected to have the cash for it when I discounted it—I did it to oblige the prisoner—he has introduced parties to me for loans of money—I have paid him the commission, and never bad the principal on any occasion—I cannot tell how many occasions of that kind there were; perhaps four or five—I remember his putting a man named Devaux in my hands—I sued that man, and it was agreed that he should pay 2l. a month; 2s. 3d. of that belonged to the prisoner—that debt

was not liquidated at the time this bill was given—they were paying 2l. a month on it.

(MR. BALLANTINE here withdrew from the prosecution.)


Reference Number: t18481023-2381

2381. CHARLES BARBARY , feloniously receiving 3 geese, price 18s.; the property of Richard Ogle.

MR. PRENDERGAST conducted the Prosecution.

WILLIAM MEARING . I live at Knightsland Farm, South Mimms. On Sunday morning, 15th Oct., about seven o'clock, I had four geese safe—I missed them at half-past four; these are three of them—they are Richard Ogle's, and are worth 6s. each—I know no geese of the same sort.

ARTHUR TUCKER . I live at East Barnet. I bought these three geese of the prisoner on 16th Oct., at Wood Green, for 8s. and three pots of beer—he said he got them at a farm, and was going to have twenty more, which were to come at ten o'clock the same day—I put them in a pond, and gave them to May.

THOMAS MAY (police-sergeant, S 31). I took these geese in the pond.

CHARLES HAWKES (policeman, S 205). I took the prisoner—he said he bought fifty-six geese of Bill Hootey, at his own house, who had brought him others at different times, and never deceived him in his orders but once.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 36.— Confined Four Months. (There was another indictment against the prisoner.)

THIRD COURT.—Tuesday, Oct. 31st, 1848.


Before Edward Bullock, Esq., and the First Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2382

2382. HANNAH PALMER , unlawfully endeavouring to drown herself.


Reference Number: t18481023-2383

2383. MARY ANN CUMMINS , stealing two brooches, 1 necklace, and other articles, value 2l.; the goods of William Jannaway, her master.

CAROLINE AMELIA JANNAWAY . I am wife of William Jannaway, a pawnbroker, of Exeter-street, Chelsea—the prisoner was our servant for six weeks, and had been so once before for three months. On 10th Oct. I sent her for some beer for supper—when she came back she seemed to have a bundle under her apron—she moved her hand, and it seemed as if she had put it into her pocket—next morning I missed some rings from my jewel-case in my bed-room—the key was in it—I had given the prisoner notice to quit the evening before—on the next evening she asked leave to go to her aunt's to tell her she was going to leave—I gave her leave, and then told my husband—he would not let her go—he went up and spoke to her—he is not here—I was present when he asked her if she had seen anything of Miss Louisa's brooch, my cousin—she said she bad not, and did not know what kind of brooch it was—Mr. Jannaway said if she was innocent she would have no objection to his searching her boxes—she said she had not—we found nothing in them which we could swear to—Mr. Jannaway turned her bed down and found a bundle, containing a night-gown and two aprons, which

were his, and were in the shop for sale the day before—I turned the bed further down, and found two books of mine—she was asked if she wore pockets—she said, "Never," and showed her frock—there was a hole, but no pocket—Mr. Jannaway left the room, and I desired to see her petticoat, I found a pocket in it, which she tried to hide from me, and in it was a pair of new boots, which were in pledge—she said she bought them in the Vauxhall-road, and was going to take them to her cousin—next morning I saw five cloths in Wiltshire's possession, some lace, and about two yards of ribbon of mine.

JAMES WILTSHIRE . I am assistant to Mr. Jannaway, and live in the house. These two brooches are mine; I bought them, and gave them to Miss Louisa—I had the care of them—this brooch and necklace and umbrella are Mr. Jannaway's.

JOSEPH JANNAWAY . I am the brother of the prosecutor. I am employed in the shop—these two aprons, bed-gown, boots and necklace are his.

JAMES SKELTON (police-sergeant, B 4). I took the prisoner, and told her the charge—the articles were spread out before her—she said, "I know I have taken them"—Mr. Jannaway said, "I have lost other property"—she said, "I have not taken anything else"—I went to Mrs. Waller's, from information—she gave me an umbrella, a pencil, eight books, a brush, and a necklace (produced).

SUSANNAH WALLER . I am wife of William Waller, of King's Head-place, Pimlico—the prisoner brought me these things to take care of for her—I gave them to Skelton.

CATHERINE MCAULEY . I am servant to Mr. Joseph Jannaway, and live next door to Mr. William Jannaway—the prisoner gave me these cloths and some lace.

Prisoner. I did not, you took them.

GUILTY. Aged 17.—Recommended to mercy. Confined Six Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2384

2384. SUSANNAH TAYLOR was indicted for bigamy.

GEORGE SCOTT . I am a lighterman, of Redgate-court, Minories. I met the prisoner about eighteen months ago in a public-house, and kept company with her—she spoke to me on the subject of marriage, and I married her at Stepney on 26th June last—about three weeks afterwards I was walking with her, a female came up, and called her a good-for-nothing thing, and said, "You know you are a married woman"—she denied it—I asked the prisoner if it was true—she denied it, and I did not think it was true until 13th Oct., when I went to Bethnal-green church, got this certificate, and gave her in charge.

Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. You had not the least idea she had gone by the name of Mrs. Taylor, or any other than her maiden name? A. No—I never lived with her—after the marriage she went one way and I the other—that had been agreed between us—she went to her mother's until I had money to furnish a room-a man came to me one evening and declared he was her husband, and told us where to get the certificate; some time after the woman spoke to me on the subject—I inquired of a Mrs. Overall—I never heard her call the prisoner Mrs. Taylor—I heard Mr. Overall do so two months afterwards, and spoke to the prisoner about it—she said it was false.

ANN SCOTT . I am the mother of the last witness. I got these copies of the registers from Bethnal-green and old Stepney churches—I saw that they were correct.

Cross-examined. Q. Did you look over the person's shoulder while he wrote it? A. Yes.

THOMAS DAVIS . I am the prisoner's father. I know Henry Taylor—I saw him yesterday—I have heard the prisoner say he was her husband—they came to my house as man and wife—I never visited their abode—I understood they were rather unhappily situated.

Cross-examined. Q. Taylor has nothing to do with this prosecution? A. No—he has no ill-will towards her—I believe he is willing to live with her—I never saw Scott at my house till he came for her, and gave my daughter in charge—(the certificates were here read; also the following statement from the deposition: "The prisoner being cautioned, says, 'Mr. Scott knew that I was married.'"

GUILTY. Aged 24.—Recommended to mercy. Confined One Month .

Reference Number: t18481023-2385

2385. HENRY GRANT ROBINSON was indicted for embezzlement.

GEORGE BOWDEN . I am a book-binder, of Little Queen-street, Holborn—the prisoner was my shopman—it was part of his duty to receive money for me, and to account daily, and pay it over to me. On 18th Oct. I sent him to Mr. Gladwell, of Gracechurch-street, to receive 1l. 16s. 5d.—I went there next day, and Mrs. Gladwell gave me this receipt in the prisoner's writing—he never paid it me, or accounted for it—on 9th Aug. I sent him to Mr. Davey, of Newman-street, for 3l. 6s. 9d.—he brought me 1l. on account, and entered it in the book.

Cross-examined by MR. BODKIN. Q. Was not he your partner?A. No—we never talked on the subject—I never talked with his friends about the colour trade—he has been in the employ of artists' colourmen, and acquired a knowledge of that trade, of which I was ignorant—I kept a book-stall, over the water, for a year and eight months—I told him, in Feb., that it did not answer—I did not propose that he and I should try our bands together at the artist's colour trade—I talked about beginning that trade, and employed him to look out for a place for it—he did so, but I offered a reward for a house, which my errand-boy obtained—I employed the prisoner to see after it, to save my time—he spoke to the tradespeople, and some of the bills for repairs were made out in his name—he took a journey to get custom for the new house, and was away eleven days—I had told him to stop four days—he could not give me any account of his receipts and expenditure—I have not reckoned to see whether his expenses were only 4s. a day—I had no quarrel with him on the day he went to Mr. Gladwell—he did not say I was trying to get rid of him, and I was a humbug; I valued his services more—I do not remember calling him a humbug—I will not swear he did not call me one—I went to Mr. Gladwell on the Tuesday—the prisoner came again on the Wednesday—I did not shake hands with him, and say I was glad he had come home—I did on Monday morning—I ordered him to make out Mr. Davey's account, and while he was doing so, I slipped out and fetched a policeman—the partnership is entirely a fable—he was not the means of getting materials on credit—I did not pay ready money—I got goods of Reeves and Sons—that was not a house which the prisoner was acquainted with—I had been trying to gain it for some time—my business was wholly made by my own exertions—the house in Queen-street was opened on 1st or 2nd June—the arrangement was not that, as he had been engaged in the trade, it would not do for his name to appear until we ascertained that the concern would prosper—I never said it should appear when the concern answered—I never spoke to his brother Charles, or any other person, about his being a partner—I remember

Mr. M'Dougal coming to ask repayment of the prisoner of some small sum—he said, "I am surprised that you should be unable to pay me so small a sum, being a partner in a concern which seems prosperous"—I contradicted it, and he insulted me—I doubt whether the business has amounted to 500l. since June—he had not the entire management of it—his salary was 10s. a week and his board—he was not engaged at the Eastern Counties Railway all day on 16th Oct.—I have got on without him for a fortnight.

HENRY WILLIAM GLADWELL . I am the son of Thomas Henry Gladwell, artist's colour man, of Gracechurch-street. The prisoner came for 1l. 16s. 5d.—I saw my mother pay him, and saw him write this receipt—(produced).

Cross-examined. Q. I believe he did not come for the money, but your mother said she should like to pay it? A. Yes.

CHARLES DAVEY . I am an artist's colourman, of Newman-street, Oxford-street, and dealt with Mr. Bowden—there was a cross account between us—on 15th Aug., the prisoner came and said he should be much obliged if I could settle that little account—I could not find it, and told him to call next day, which he did with this account (produced)—I paid him 1l. 17s. 9d.—he wrote this receipt in my presence.

MR. BODKIN called

CHARLES ROBINSON . I am the prisoner's brother—in Feb. last, Bowden kept a book stall in the Waterloo-road, and from that time down to June, I called on him several times about my brother joining him in the artist's colour trade—he produced two or three lists—one was of Reeve's colours, and said my brother could get them on credit, and he should be very much obliged if I could find out a shop for him which my brother and he were to carry on together—I saw one likely to suit in Little Queen-street, and went with him and my brother to see it—my brother and he agreed to do the repairs, and my brother promised him to obtain credit of gas-fitters, painters, and glaziers—I know that my brother ordered them to do the work, and the plumber's bill was made out in his name—it was agreed that in three or four months, if my brother could get a connection together, his name was to be put up—my brother said it should be Bowden and Robinson—Mr. Bowden said it should be Bowden and Co., as my brother's name was not to appear till they ascertained that the business answered, and, if it did not, Bowden was to carry on his bookbinding in the shop—my brother has been working from seven o'clock in the morning till eleven at night to get a connexion together—there was no appearance of his being a shopman—I never heard the word till I was at Bow-street.

----M'DOUGAL. The prisoner lodged at my house six months—he was in my debt, and I called on him and said in Bowden's hearing, I was surprised that he, a partner in a successful business, should not be able to pay so small a sum—he said they were new beginners, and were short of money—I believe they both said so.


Reference Number: t18481023-2386

2386. WILLIAM CROFT and FRANCIS VINER , stealing 1 mare, and 1 cart, value 50l.; 5 quarters of oats, 2 quarters of beans, and 14 sacks, 10l. 16s.; the property of John Tomlin; and JAMES SEALEY , and SARAH SEALEY , feloniously receiving the oats and sacks; to which

CROFT pleaded GUILTY .— Confined Twelve Months.

VINER pleaded GUILTY .— Confined Fourteen Days .

MR. HUDDLESTON conducted the Prosecution.

JOHN TOMLIN . I keep the Torrington Arms, Finchley. On 7th Sept.,

I sent Lewis to Messrs. Burrows and Wale for some beans, with a mare, cart, and some sacks.

THOMAS LEWIS . I am in Mr. Tomlin's service. On 7th Sept. he sent me to Messrs. Burrows and Wale, Old Barge-house wharf for some oats—I went with a horse and cart—five quarters of oats, and two quarters of split beans were put into fourteen sacks—I did not see them put into the cart—I saw them when there—Mabey provided them for me—I left—as I went towards Blackfriars-bridge one of the bags slipped, and I was assisted in putting it right by some persons—Croft was there, and went down the bridge with me—something happened to another sack, and at that time Viner came up and said, I was to go back to the wharf for a letter for my master—Croft offered to take care of the horse and cart, and I went back, leaving the horse, cart, and beans with him—when I returned, they were gone—I informed the police, and afterwards saw Croft and Viner in custody.

THOMAS MABEY . I am lighterman to Messrs. Burrows and Wale. I saw the oats and beans put into Lewis's cart on 7th Sept.—he returned in about half an hour, and said something upon which I sent him off—I subsequently went with two policemen to Sealey's house, Theobald's-road, and saw a sack found at the further end of the shop, with two or three empty sacks lying on it—I compared the oats in the sack with a sample from the bulk at Mr. Tomlin's—they were exactly the same sort—I have been a lighterman fifteen or sixteen years, and have been accustomed to oats all my life.

Cross-examined by MR. MELLER. Q. Did you say what you came to the house for? A. I went as if I came to buy some oats—three sacks were at the door—corn sometimes very much resembles that grown in different parts, so that you cannot tell one from another—I have not seen samples of this kind of corn in the market for twelve months—I attend the market daily—I deal in corn—I worked 150 quarters of this corn out of the vessel—it is foreign—there is not much of it in this country—it was delivered from a small Danish vessel carrying from 300 to 400 quarters—we had 150—I had seventy-seven and a half left at the time this was stolen, but have none now—the rest has been sold—Mr. Burrows carted away sixty quarters—I do not know where that went to.

MR. HUDDLESTON. Q. Is there anything peculiar in the corn itself? A. Yes; there is a peculiar sort of grit in it, and here and there a grain of barley—I sold ten to Mr. Tomlin, and five to a Mr. Lane, and Mr. Burrows carted away sixty quarters for his own stables—none of it was sold to wholesale houses, and could not in any way come into the prisoner's possession—the corn, cart, and horse are worth 10l. altogether.

MARY ANN WATSON . I lived with Croft—he sent me to Sealey's house on 13th Sept.—I saw Mrs. Sealey, and said I had come from a person named Croft, and he had told me to ask for the money due to him—I did not mention the sum; I did not know it—she said she should not give any more than she had given, because if Croft should say anything about it, she would want a few pounds to help herself—I went and saw her again next week—Mr. Sealey was in the room—I told her I came from Croft again, to know whether she intended to send a sovereign down to Croft, and she told me to tell Croft he was to keep quiet, and all would be right, a man should go down to him next morning at ten o'clock—after I had mentioned Croft's name, Mr. Sealey went oat of the shop—he wanted to know what I wanted the money for, and I said there was 2l. 12s. due—he asked what for—I said I did not know—Mrs. Sealey said she would give no more money, she had been at a loss as it was, had been obliged to put away one quarter and destroy the sack

—she said Viner came up on the Sunday morning, and received 1l. 10s., and that on the Tuesday he came for 10s. more—she did not give me any money.

Cross-examined. Q. You passed as Croft's wife? A. Yes; I have lived with him nearly seven years—it is eight years since I parted from my husband—I have not lived with any other man—I have never been in trouble—I did not ask her to give me money, I asked her to send the money to Croft, to get Counsel, or to send a solicitor—she did not desire me not to come again, as she had been imposed on once, and would not be imposed on again—Mr. Sealey said it was an attempt to impose on a lone woman, and take advantage of her, the first time I went.

HENRY ROWE (City-policeman, 356). I watched Watson, and traced her to Sealey's—I fetched Mabey, and about two hours after Watson came out I went in and left another officer—I asked Mrs. Sealey if any person had been there concerning some corn—she said, "No"—I said, "Not any person at all?"—she hesitated, and said, "Yes; a carman."

JOSEPH DALTON (City-policeman, 366). I watched Watson go into Sealey's house, and saw her and Mr. and Mrs. Sealey, in the back room, three quarters of an hour—I followed her into Farringdon-street, and found a paper on her—I afterwards searched Sealey's house, and found some corn at the back of the shop—they sold corn, oats, &c.—this sack was full, and another was over it.

Cross-examined. Q. There is nothing extraordinary in finding an empty sack across a full one? A. I do not know.

FRANCIS VINER (the prisoner). I have pleaded guilty to this charge, I was with Croft near Blackfriars'-bridge; I told Lewis he was wanted; Croft went with the horse and cart into Theobald's-road; I followed him to Mr. Sealey's; when I had got there, he had got all the oats out but three sacks; he took them into the shop; Mrs. Sealey was there; she put a paper into Croft's hand; he said, "It is all right," and went off with the horse and cart; in going along he told me he had got 12s., that was all the money Mrs. Sealey had, but he was to call again in a quarter of an hour; we went back; he went in again, came out, and said he had got 8s. more, and that Mrs. Sealey said we were to go up on Saturday night for the money, but on Saturday night, Croft being in custody, I went and saw Mr. Sealey; he gave me 10s., and said he wished I had made it Sunday morning, and told me to come on Sunday morning; I did not tell him Croft was in custody; he told me to make it as late as I could; I went, and received 30s. of Mr. and Mrs. Sealey; I asked when I should come again; they said, "On Tuesday night;" I went, and Mrs. Sealey gave me 10s. more; I then went into the country to get out of the way.

Cross-examined. Q. What are you ? A. A labourer—I never did such a thing before—I was never charged with theft—I was tried for stealing lead—I and Croft had a year for it, and got two months each—I had never heard of Sealey's before—I found out the house by the horse and cart standing at the door—I have had no promise of anything forgiving my evidence—I knew I was to give evidence when I pleaded guilty.

(The prisoners received good characters.)



Confined Twelve Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2387

2387. JOHN BROAD HINCHLEY , stealing 2 coats, value 2l. 15s.; the goods of Edwin Kenworthy.

EDWIN KENWORTHY . I am a tailor. On 26th Sept. a message was left

at my house—I went to 27, Cavendish-street, Hoxton, and saw the prisoner—he said, in consequence of his father's death, he required a suit of mourning by the next evening, and he would pay for it on the Monday after the funeral—I left it next day, Wednesday; a female answered the door—he came to me on Friday for an outside coat—I allowed him to take one away, as his arm was in a sling, and he could not try it on; but if it did not suit him, he was to return it on Monday, and I was to make him one—on the Saturday he introduced his brother-in-law to me—I let him have a jacket—I said I did not wish to increase the amount—he said he would go and fetch part of the money—they went out with the jacket, and never returned—I went to his house in the evening—he said, bis mother being ill, prevented his returning—I went again on Monday, and found the house empty—I never saw the prisoner again till he was in charge—this is the coat and jacket (produced).

FREDERICK FOX . I am a pawnbroker, of Old-street-road. I produce a coat, pledged by a female—I gave this ticket (produced).

JAMES BRANNAN (police-sergeant, G 20). I received information, went to 5, King's-row, Pentonville, and took the prisoner—I told him the charge—he said, "I have paid for them all"—on his examination he said he had a coat on approbation, and pledged it to make up some money—it was pledged the same afternoon.

Prisoner's Defence. I was not able to settle the funeral so soon as 1 expected

GUILTY . Aged 30.— Confined Two Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2388

2388. MARY HINCHLEY, ELIZABETH HINCHLEY, EMMA JONES , and MARY ANN ALLEN , stealing 3 shawls, value 1l. 7s. 9d., the goods of Enoch Jones.

JOHN MESSENT . On 25th Sept. I was directed to take some mourning to Cavendish-street, Hoxton—I went—Jones opened the door—I was shown into the parlour, and saw Mary Hinchley and another female, who is not here—I showed them some cloaks and dresses which I had with me—they ordered two cloaks to be done by Wednesday next, as the funeral was to be on Thursday—they selected a portion of the things—some were shawls—I took the rest away to fetch other goods—the person who is not here called Mary Hinchley "Mother"—on the Saturday I took four plaid shawls, and saw Jones—she said Miss Hinchley was not at home, and asked me to leave them, and return in a few hours—I did so—she bad not come home, and Jones asked me if I would leave them till Monday, for her to select two for the servants—I left them all—one shawl was returned on Monday morning—I then went and found the house shut up—on the Thursday afterwards I saw the four prisoners at King's-row, Pentonville—these are the shawls produced—the woman who ordered them is not here—I never saw Mary or Elizabeth Hinchley or Allen about them.


Reference Number: t18481023-2389

2389. MARY HINCHLEY, ELIZABETH HINCHLEY, EMMA JONES , and MARY ANN ALLEN , were again indicted for unlawfully obtaining goods of Enoch Jones by false pretences.

JOHN MESSENT . I went to Cavendish-street, Hoxton, showed some goods to Mary Hinchley and Bennett, another female, and left a portion of them there—Bennett said the father was dead, that he died, I believe on the Monday morning—two cloaks were ordered—I took them on Wednesday, and left them with Bennett and Jones—Bennett ordered some gloves and ribbons to be sent next day, and some Coburg cloth to be sent on the following Saturday—no one was present then—I took them—Jones opened

the door, and took me into the parlour to Bennett, who ordered some furs—I took them about one o'clock, and saw Bennett—I afterwards went again, saw Jones, and left some shawls—I was to call on Monday to bring a bill, and have them or the money—Bennett told me so—I went on Monday about four o'clock, the house was shut up—I afterwards Saw the prisoners in charge at Pentonville—these are the goods (produced)—they belong to Enoch Jones—none of them have been paid for.

Cross-examined by MR. BRIARLY. Q. You say in your deposition, "Nothing was ever said about payment by either of the prisoners?" A. I meant not till the Saturday.

JAMES BRANNAN (police-sergeant, G 20). I went with Dubois and another officer to 8, King's-row, Pentonville, and saw John Broad Hinchley coming out—I took him on another charge—I knocked repeatedly, and heard some one fasten the door inside—I went through the next house, got a ladder, and got over some workshops into the yard—I found both back doors fastened—I raised the ladder, and found the two Hinchleys and Jones standing against the window—I tried to push it up, Jones kept it down—I raised it sufficiently to put my head in, Jones seized me by the hair, pulled me violently, and tried to push me from the ladder—I threw myself into the room, and said to the elder prisoner, "Mrs. Broad, I come to take you in custody, for obtaining a quantity of wearing-apparel at Mr. Jones's shop, in the City-road"—Broad is her name—I have known her many years—I did not hear her answer—I let in the officers—all the prisoners were in the house—the elder prisoner said she wanted to go into the yard—I said, "Have you a pocket on?"—she said, "Yes"—I made her turn it out, and found two duplicates, and other articles, which I took—she saidonly two or three of them belonged to Mr. Jones—I found, in the back room, a muff, boa, mantilla, and other articles—she said, "If it had not been for Mary Bennett we should not have had these things; I might have had them in the usual way, by my tallyman"—I said, "Where is Mary Bennett?"—she said, "Am I bound to tell?"—I said, "No"—she said, "Go to Mrs. Bell's, 17, Lower-terrace, Islington; she will tell"—I find that the husband did die on that day.

HENRY WILLIAM DUBOIS (policeman). I was with Brannan, and found part of the articles produced—Mr. Messent came and identified them—Mary Hinchley said, "That is all the part I had," pointing to the goods—Elizabeth finding I would not let her go, took up a penknife in a menacing attitude to me—I took it from her, and gave it to Jones, who put it in a cupboard.

JAMES LOVETT . I am assistant to a pawnbroker, in the Bagnigge-wells-road—I produce two black cotton handkerchiefs, pawned by a person like Allen—I gave the person this duplicate (found in Mary Hinchley's pocket).

MARY HINCHLEY— GUILTY . Aged 63.— Confined Twelve Months.


Reference Number: t18481023-2390

2390. GEORGE SLATER , stealing 2 bushels of oats, clover, and straw, value 2s. 6d.; the goods of Thomas Paris, his master: and WILLIAM HORTON , feloniously receiving the same.

MR. PAYNE conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS PARIS . I am a brewer of Laystall-street, Gray's-inn-lane. Slater has been my horsekeeper above six months—Horton was my carman, and lived opposite me—on 20th Oct. he asked me to lend him a horse, and had it next morning—it was not returned—I went on Monday, accused him of

keeping it, having no food, and found about two bushels of chaff and corn in a tin case—I took a sample away in my hand, compared it, and have no doubt that it is mine—I then spoke to Slater, and took him with me to Horton's stable—he said in Horton's presence he had given him two hushels. but he had taken more—Horton made no answer—I went for a constable, came back, and Horton was gone—I gave Slater in charge—I had told Slater on the Saturday to let Horton have the key to grind his chaff-knife.

Cross-examined by MR. PRENDERGAST. Q. How do you know this mixture? A. The straw is a very peculiar growth.

Slater. Q. Did not you say, "Horton, I am not only letting you have a horse, but I have got to keep it too?" A. No—there is no quarrel between his wife and me.

RICHARD WALKER (policeman, G 33). I took Slater, and told him the charge—he said he owned giving Horton two bushels, but afterwards went and found about three bushels more than he had given him.

JAMES FLOYD , (policeman, G 133). I took Horton, and told him the charge, and he said what was in the loft Slater gave him.

JAMES SAMUEL . I am a bricklayer and builder, of Poole's-buildings, Gray's-inn-lane. I have known Horton ten years, he has always borne an honest character.

Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Did you state that you had heard Paris give Horton liberty to take his corn away? A. Yes—on 16th Sept. I went to pay Horton a small bill, and heard Mr. Paris tell Slater to give Horton a nose-bag of corn—it was brought down—I cannot say what was in it.

THOMAS PARIS re-examined. That is totally false.


Reference Number: t18481023-2391

2391. WILLIAM COOPER , unlawfully assaulting Ann Bell, with intent, &c.

GUILTY of an Assault . Aged 32.— Confined Twelve Months.

OLD COURT—Wednesday, November 1st, 1848.


Before Edward Bullock, Esq. and the First Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2392

2392. GEORGE DIXON and GEORGE HURLEY , stealing a copper, value 10s.; the goods of Thomas Ballard, fixed to a building; to which

DIXON pleaded GUILTY .— Confined Twelve Months.

THOMAS DRAPER (policeman, A 310). On Tuesday evening, 17th Sept., about a quarter to eight o'clock, I was on duty with Murrell, in Green-street, Grosvenor-square—I saw the prisoners walking up the pavement—Dixon was carrying a copper—on crossing to them, Dixon threw it down and ran away—I pursued, and took him.

JOHN MURRELL (policeman, A 305). I was with Draper, and saw the prisoners—I crossed over, and asked what they had there—Dixon immediately threw the copper off his head, and ran away—I took Hurley—he said he did not know what it meant—another sweep came up, while I had Hurley in custody.

SAMUEL CLUTTON . I am a builder at Paddington. I employed Dixon and another man, not Hurley, to sweep my chimney—I afterwards missed a copper, the property of Thomas Ballard—the one produced corresponds with it.

GEORGE EVANS . I am a painter. I was at work at 10, North-bank, when Dixon and a man named Warne came to sweep the chimney—the copper was at that time fixed in the scullery—next day it was gone.

Hurley's Defence. I had nothing to do with it; I was behind this man at the time he chucked the copper down.


Reference Number: t18481023-2393

2393. GEORGE WALKER , stealing a handkerchief, value 2s.; the goods of George Hazel, from his person.

WILLIAM GIFFORD . I live in Grace-alley, Wellclose-square. On 23d Oct., about twelve o'clock, I was going across Tower-hill, and saw the prisoner standing by a crowd where a man was selling something—the prosecutor stood close by—he moved on—the prisoner followed him, and put his hand in his pocket—he took it out again with nothing in it—he then turned up bis cuff, put his hand in again, and took out a handkerchief, which he put into his left trowser's pocket—I told the prosecutor—the prisoner turned, a person spoke to him, and they ran across Tower-hill—I did not see him. again till Thursday night—I had frequently seen him before, and am sure he is the person.

Prisoner. Q. How far were you from me? A. Close by—I had a bundle, or I should have caught hold of you.

GEORGE HAZEL . I was on Tower-bill—Gifford spoke to me, and I missed my handkerchief—it has not been found—I had it safe five minutes before—I had noticed the prisoner at my side in the crowd.

Prisoner. How was it you did not know me at the station? A. I did, I picked you out from two others.

ROBERT GIFFORD (policeman, H 89). In consequence of information from Gifford, I took the prisoner into custody—I told him what he was charged with—he said, "I was not on Tower-hill on the Monday"—I had seen him for three or four months about the Docks and Tower-hill.

Prisoner's Defence. I was not on this side of the water on Monday at all.

GUILTY . *— Confined Six Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2394

2394. SUSAN FAIR , feloniously cutting and wounding Tristram Stansfield on the left hand, with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

TRISTRAM STANSFIELD (City-policeman, 292). About two o'clock on Friday, 20th Sept., the prisoner was on my beat sitting on some steps—I told her to go on—she said she would not—she was sober—I lifted her up and told her to go on—she up with her hand to hit me in the face—I put up my hand to stop the blow, and she fell down—I took hold of her to lift her up again, and while I had my hand under her arm, she drew a knife right across my fingers—I did not see any knife then, but this penknife she afterwards dropped on the ground (produced).

Prisoner's Defence. He and two more policemen were beating me; I had taken too much liquor.

GUILTY of an Assault.

Reference Number: t18481023-2395

2395. SUSAN FAIR , was again indicted for feloniously cutting and wounding Edward Foster Farley on his hand, with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

EDWARD FOSTER FARLEY (policeman, F 37). I saw Stansfield with the prisoner and went to his assistance—I took hold of the prisoner to help her up, and she immediately hit me in the face—I did not strike he—as I was taking her to the station she drew a knife across both my hands.

Prisoner. If he had not beat and kicked me I should not have done itthey knocked me down; I was not able to walk; they were beating me for two hours. Witness. I did not beat her—no attempt was made to take the knife from her—she dropped it in going through Black Horse-court—I did not know that Stansfield was cut, nor that I was cut myself at the moment—I merely thought that she was scratching me.

ROBERT MASON . I am house-surgeon at St. Bartholomew's. I dressed Farley's wound—one cut on the left hand was dangerous—it might have been done with this knife.

GUILTY of an Assault. Confined Eighteen Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2396

2396. EDWARD HOPES , stealing 25lbs. weight of bacon, value 1l.; the goods of John Wright.

LOUISA WRIGHT . I am the wife of John Wright, cheesemonger, of chard-street, Westminster. On Sunday evening, 22nd Oct., a little before nine, I was in the parlour—I could see the shop, but not the shop-door—I heard somebody come into the shop, jumped up, and saw the prisoner going out with a side of bacon—I did not see his face, but am certain of his figure—he lived with us two years ago as servant—I ran out and saw him under a lamp—he ran into Pye-street.

EDWARD MOONEY . I live next door to Mr. Wright—I was standing about two doors off, and I saw some people about the door—the prisoner was one—presently I saw Mrs. Wright running after him—he had a large piece of bacon—he went down a court—I knew him well, and am sure he is the man.

Prisoner. You said at the police-court I had a big thing under my arm; you did not know whether it was bacon or not? Witness. I did say so.

WILLIAM NOWLAND (policeman). I took the prisoner and told him the charge—he said he knew nothing about it.

Prisoner's Defence. I was in bed when the policeman took me; it was a form I had which I had brought from my lodging.


Before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18481023-2397

2397. SARAH COOPER , stealing 74 dozen of buttons, 6 balls of twist, 24 shirt-studs, and other articles, value 2l. 12s. 7d.; the goods of Richard Thomas Swain, her master.

MR. PAYNE conducted the Prosecution.

RICHARD THOMAS SWAIN . I live at Lime-grove, Shepherd's-bush. I was formerly a haberdasher in Bloomsbury—the prisoner was my servant about eight months—I had a quantity of trimmings, and missed some on 7th Oct., which had been kept in a wardrobe—I asked the prisoner about them—she denied all knowledge of it—in a few minutes I heard a noise up-stairs, and thought I heard boxes open, and then a window—then the prisoner ran down stairs, I heard the back-door open, looked out of the window, and saw her in front of the house with a bundle—she placed it in a nook outside the house, so that I could not see it, then returned to the back kitchen door, went in, came out in a few minutes with her bonnet and shawl on, took up the bundle and left the garden—she had not leave to go out—I followed her—she stopped to speak to some females—I said, "Sarah, is that you? I want you; what is that you have got in that bundle?"—she said, "My things"—I said, "I want you to come back with me"—she came back and placed the bundle on

a dresser—I asked to see the contents—she would not let me—I asked if she would allow her mistress to see—she said, "No; if you wish to see the contents of it, send for a constable"—I said I would—she said, "You need not do that; you may see them"—I opened the bundle—it contained the things mentioned in the indictment—they are mine—several of them have my private mark on them—they are worth about 2l. 15s.—her box was searched, and some engravings and others things of mine were found in it—I had seen them at Christmas.

Cross-examined by MR. THOMPSON. Q. How many servants have you? A. The prisoner and Fanny Bishop the nursemaid—she is not here—the trunk was kept in a room adjoining the nursery, where the servants sit in summer-time—I gave the servants some odds and ends from the stock some time ago, but none of these—they did not amount altogether to 1s.—they were stay-laces, and things of that kind—I could not see the bundle when it was in the recess, but I saw her stoop down and place it there—the prisoner said nothing about Bishop at the police-court—5l. wages is due to her—I told her to ask for them when she wanted them—I do not think of it now I am not in business—I had no objection to pay her—she was going to leave on the next Monday.

WILLIAM CHAPMAN (policeman). I searched the prisoner's box and found these things.

GUILTY.—Recommended to mercy.—Aged 22.— Confined Nine Months .

Reference Number: t18481023-2398

2398. MARY COOPER the elder, MARY COOPER , and WILLIAM COOPER , feloniously receiving 26 inches of net, I yard of velvet, 3 yards of alpaca, and other articles, value 2l. 16. 7d.; the goods of Richard Thomas Swain.

MR. PAYNE conducted the Prosecution.

RICHARD THOMAS SWAIN . In consequence of a letter that was found I went to No. 1, North Audley-street, and found the three prisoners—I asked them if they had any articles, describing them—they denied having anything of the kind—I asked the younger Mary if she had a brown velvet bonnet—she denied it—I asked her to show me the contents of the drawers in her bed-room—she said her mistress had locked them, and was in Germany—she was in charge of the house; not the mother—on the Tuesday evening a key was given me by Mrs. Barrows, and on the Wednesday I went and opened a cupboard in which these things were found—they are mine—I have pieces to match this alpaca and velvet—the key opened a dressing-room door, which Mary told me her mistress had locked—I got that key from Bentley, who was in possession of the house.

Cross-examined by MR. THOMPSON. Q. How do you identify this velvet? A. I have brought a slip, one edge of which corresponds with this—it is a jagged cut, and in an unworkman-like manner—I had had 'a child's dress made of this silk velvet, which would make up the quantity I took from my shop—the prisoner did not make it—I found the remains of a brown silk velvet bonnet, which had been burnt, several pieces, and a selvage were left—I have similar velvet here—the brother and sister were frequently at the house, and had the opportunity of carrying things away.

ELIZABETH BARROWS . I am the wife of William Barrows, of Oak Farm, Shepherd's Bush. The elder prisoner and her son came to me on a Tuesday, about dinner-time—she asked me to take care of her keys till her daughter Mary was liberated, which she thought would be the next week—I said she had better take them herself, as they might give me some trouble—she said, "I know nothing about them, they are my daughter's keys"—I pressed

her to take them—she looked to William—he said they would not do me any harm, they were of no consequence—they left them with me—I afterwards took them to Mr. Swain.

HUGH BENTLEY. On the Monday evening, I saw William at the smoke-jack in the kitchen, trying to get a key out of it—I asked him what key it was—he said it belonged to a cupboard he had got things, in which he wished to make away with—I said I thought he could not get it out—his mother, who was present, said it was of no consequence—they left the house together—next day I bent a wire, got it out, and gave it to Mr. Swain—I was put in possession of the house after the prisoners were turned out.


Reference Number: t18481023-2399

2399. MARY COOPER , the younger, was again indicted for feloniously receiving 12 inches of velvet, 35 yards of ribbon, I brooch, and other articles, value 1l. 2s. 6d.; the goods of Richard Thomas Swain, well knowing them to have been stolen.

MR. PAYNE conducted the Prosecution.

RICHARD THOMAS SWAIN . I went to 1, North Audley-street, and asked for the room of Mary Cooper, the prisoner—she went up to the top of the house with me, opened a box, and strewed her things about, and said, "You see I have nothing here"—I was not satisfied—I searched, and found this piece of coloured silk velvet (produced)—she had said she had nothing of the kind in the house—I also found some pieces of ribbon, thirty dozen pearl buttons, trimmings, gloves, and other things (produced)—most of them have my name and address on them—I found the drawers open next day, with nothing in them—the ribbons cost me 6s. 6d.—these things are worth 2l. 10s.—I have never sold such an amount of goods to my servants.

Cross-cxamined. Q. Are the marks your writing? A. Yes; the search was on the morning after Sarah was taken—the prisoner said it was her box.

WILLIAM CHAPMAN (policeman). I was at the search—the prisoner was asked if she had received any things of her sister Sarah—she said, "No"—she afterwards said, "I received a small piece of velvet; it was so creased, I took it to the dyers to be pressed, and he not being able, sent it back again"—I asked if she had anything else—she said, "No, you are welcome to see if you like"—I called Mr. Swain in—we went up into her room—she went in before I did—I cannot tell whether she unlocked the box—she said, "There is nothing there"—Mr. Swain searched, and found the things.

GUILTY . Aged 24.— Confined Six Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2400

2400. JAMES JENNINGS SMITH, ALEXANDER REID, JOHN JAMES, DAVID GILLIES, JAMES PAYNE, JOHN KELLY, ROBERT BARCLAY, EDWARD SORRELL , and JOHN MCDONALD , were indicted for that they being mariners on board the Lion, on the High seas, feloniously and piratically did endeavour to make a revolt in the said ship.—2nd COUNT, for making a revolt.

MESSRS. CLARKSON and SLEIGH conducted the Prosecution.

HENRY WILLIAM NEVILLE . I am master of the steam-ship Lion, which trades between London and Friesland, in Holland—we left London on 13th Sept. last—the vessel is from 600 to 700 tons, and has three masts—I took with me, as part of my crew, the whole of the prisoners—Smith's duty was to drive the engine as first engineer—he performed that duty for six months previously—Reid was second engineer—the duties of the other prisoners were that of firemen and coal-trimmers—I delivered the register-tickets to the British vice-consul, at Harlingen, in Friesland—I think they were produced before the Lord Mayor—I have not got them here—I did not place the

names of these men on the muster-roll—we arrived at Harlingen on the morning of the 14th, and there took on board a general cargo, consisting of butter, cheese, flax, oil, 160 beasts, about 700 or 800 sheep, besides horses and calves—we were to be ready to leave Harlingen on the morning of the 16th, at nine o'clock—the fires had been lighted that morning for the purpose of starting on the voyage—I observed a quantity of poultry being brought on board in baskets—I inquired of two of the firemen to whom they belonged—one was Payne; I do not recollect who the other was—Smith, the first engineer, came on board afterwards—I observed him coming from the shore over the paddle-box—I walked on to the bridge close to where he was, and he came running up, and said, "You won't allow my poultry to come on board the ship, won't you?"—I said, "There are too many of them, I can't allow it"—he then shook his fist in my face, and said, "Then you b—r I will pay freight for them;" on which I said, "They shall not come on board at all"—he then turned round, and clapping his hands at me, said, "Now, you b—r, I have got you; this is what I have been scheming for you; I will stop the ship; I will learn you and your Mr. Robinson a trick"—he was not drunk—he then called out to the firemen below, "Rake the fires out, you b—r's! rake the fires out!" on which I said, "Smith, come here, and do not make a fool of yourself, and do that in a moment which you will be sorry for hereafter"—he said, "No, no, you b—r, I won't hear you," and ran off from the paddle-box on to the main-deck, calling out to the firemen again, "Rake out the fires, you b—r's! rake the fires out, and come ashore with me, and bring your things with you"—I then went aft into the cabin, and made a communication to the mate—I sent him forward to try and talk to the engineers for them to come aft to me—he went, and came aft again with a message—the men then went ashore—they returned once or twice, but did not resume their duty—I then went to the company's agent in Harlingen—before be came I was ashore, alongside the vessel, and Smith came up to me, and said, putting himself in a sparring position, "I will fight you"—I said, "No, you won't"—he said, "You won't fight me?"—I said, "No"—he said, "Then you are a b----y coward"—I went on board, and shortly after that the agent came—I told him the circumstances—he tried to expostulate with Smith, and sent for Mr. Harlam—I stated the case to him, he being one of the head gentlemen of the place—he took Smith down the pier with him, and walked with him a quarter of an hour—he returned, and said, "I can do nothing with him; the man is raging for revenge"—I then sent for the British consul, and stated the facts to him—the men were then, some on the paddle-box, and some on one side of the vessel—Smith stood outside the cabin door, and I took the muster-roll, and read their names to them, and asked them, one by one, to return to their duty—M'Donald, one of the prisoners, said he would stop on board the ship, and another man, named Rayner, said he would stop on board and do my orders—the others said they would not, unless Smith did—Smith said, "Hold your tongues! silence gives consent; the b—r will only catch you"—on that they went ashore, and loaded abuse on me, clapping their hands, and saying, "B----y Capt. Neville, why don't you take your ship away?" where is your b----y Mr. Robinson I and that sort of abuse was continued the whole afternoon, and I was afraid to go from the ship—Smith kept calling out, "You b----y thief!" and threatened to take the other men out of the ship that stopped to do their duty—M'Donald stopped on board about an hour, or a little more, and then they came and coaxed him away with the rest—he then took his things, and deserted me, and the only man left on board was Rayner—Gillies and James came several

times to try and get him, and threatened they would murder him if he remained in the ship—I delivered the whole of their register-tickets to the British consul—about eleven o'clock he came, and said, "I think Smith will return now with the rest"—he did not return nor did any of them—I at last got a fresh crew—I had to hire another steamer, and leave that port for Amsterdam, expecting to meet a ship there belonging to the same company, but she—had sailed the night before—I left at eight on the Saturday evening after having three interviews with the prisoners to see whether they would come or—I arrived at Amsterdam at five the next afternoon, and had to wait till five on Monday afternoon, and hire another steam-boat to convey me and an engineer back to Harlingen, to bring my cargo to London—the cargo was transhipped; the live-stock were obliged to be put into stalls or fields, and be kept at an expense to the owners till we started, and instead of my leaving Harlingen on the 16th, as I ought to have done, I was not able to leave till the 19th, and did not arrive here till the 20th; and according to the average passage I ought to have arrived on the Sunday afternoon, so as to enable the cattle and other goods to be at the Monday's market—I received a certificate from the Vice Consul.

COURT. Q. Before you sailed from London did you enter into an agreement, in writing, with Smith, or any of the other seamen, specifying what wages each seaman was to be paid? A. I did not, nor the quantity of provision he was to receive in the capacity in which he was to act (they had all acted in a certain capacity), or the nature of the voyage on which they were to be employed; no such agreement was entered into by me—I ordered my chief-mate to do so: he is here—it appears the agreement he entered into was not a regular one—I had their register-tickets in my possession on the voyage—I never entered into any such agreement.

(Upon this stale of facts the COURT was of opinion that the prisoners could not be deemed "mariners" within the meaning of the Act of Parliament; the captain having neglected to enter into the necessary agreement no trust was reposed in or accepted by them, nor were they legally bound to the discharge of any duty.


Reference Number: t18481023-2401

2401. JOHN RICHARD HEMBERT , forging a request for the delivery of goods, with intent to defraud William Britton.

(The request in this case having been destroyed by William Britton, who was called on his recognizance, and did not appear, the prisoner was ACQUITTED .)

Reference Number: t18481023-2402

2402. JOHN RICHARD HEMBERT was again indicted for forging a request for the delivery of 20 printed books, with intent to defraud William Britton.

JOHN ARMSTRONG (City-policeman, 211). Mr. Britton gave me this paper in the Justice-room, Guildhall, in the prisoner's presence—it was first handed to the Magistrate—the prisoner signed for the goods in the delivery-books—that it was kept in the shop—it is here, and also the person who delivered the goods.

CHARLES HEBDEN . I am in Mr. William Britton's service. I cannot say that I ever saw this paper before—I do not know what goods were obtained by it.

Prisoner. They were not obtained at all under that paper; it is for twenty, and they say they only gave me seven; I never offered the order; Mr. Britton said he found it in the shop either the day I was there, or the day after.

THOMAS EDWIN SOUTHEY . The prisoner was in my employ—this request

is his writing—(read—"Please give bearer the complete set of the 'Parlour library' on my account if possible.—T. E. Southey, Oct. 7th, 1848."—no part of that is my writing—I did not authorize it, or know of its being written—the prisoner had no authority to fetch goods for me—he was not in my employ at the time.

CHARLES HEBDEN re-examined. I let the prisoner have seven volumes of the Parlour Library on 7th Oct., my master directed me to give them to him—I saw the prisoner sign this entry—(read—"7 vols. Parlour Library, John Richard Hembert. "—I did not see the prisoner give this paper to my master—it was found in the shop next day.

Prisoners Defence. I never forged the order, or presented it to Mr. Britton at all; I did sign the book for the seven volumes.

GUILTY . Aged 19.— Confined Two Years .

(There was another indictment against the prisoner for embezzlement.)

Reference Number: t18481023-2403

2403. ANN MARIA MALPAS was indicted for wilful and corrupt perjury.


Reference Number: t18481023-2404

2404. GEORGE HOLLAND , stealing 1 cask, and 200 lbs. weight of colour for paint, value 19s.; the goods of Martha Wray and another; on a wharf adjacent to the Thames.

JOHN BREWSTER . I am clerk to Martha and Mary Wray, of Downes' Wharf, Lower East Smithfield. The prisoner was carman to a Mr. Hedges—on 12th Oct., I saw him at the wharf—my attention was called to a cask of colour for paint in the first-floor warehouse, which I had seen on the ground floor a fortnight before—the prisoner was on the lower part of the wharf, and 1 asked him if he knew the carman that was in charge of a cart of Mr. Hedges, which was just on the wharf—he said he did, his name was Sadler—I gave the prisoner into custody—I had not seen him do anything—the paint is the property of Martha and Mary Wray.

Cross-examined by MR. SLEIGH. Q. Used he to come to the wharf? A. I cannot say that I ever saw him before—I have seen Mr. Hedge's carts frequently—he came down with a cart for the purpose of getting goods.

HENRY WEBB . I am carman to the London Dock Company. On 12th Oct., I went to Downes' Wharf, and saw the prisoner there—I saw him rolling a cask of paint from the warehouse into a piece of tarpauling, and Sadler, who is not in custody, helped him to put it into the cart, Sadler then drove the cart away.

Cross-examined. Q. What took you there? A. I went on business for the Company—I did not see Sadler come down to the wharf with the cart—I saw him loading his cart about ten minutes or a quarter of an hour before—I did not see any order in his hand for any goods—when I first saw the cask it was lying in the warehouse—the prisoner was by it, and Sadler in the cart—he did not assist the prisoner to roll it to the cart—I know nothing at all of either of them, except this transaction—I should have no objection to assist a fellow-mate who asked me—I told the warehouse-keeper directly.

CHARLES LLOYD . I had been assisting to load Mr. Hedge's cart with some canvass according to orders—I overtook the cart, and found in addition to the canvass something covered over with tarpauling—I ordered the cart back, and when I unfastened a rope, the cask of colours, tarpauling and all fell out on the wharf—the prisoner was standing by at the time—the carman said, he knew no more about it than a child unborn—I went for a policeman.

Cross-examined. Q. Were you sent after the cart? A. Yes, by the

warehouse-keeper—I did not know what it contained further than what Webb said—I had assisted to load Sadler's cart, up in the first-floor, not down below—it was Sadler who said that he knew nothing about what was in the cart.

HYACINTH CLARK (policeman, H 149). The prisoner was given in to my charge at Downes' Wharf, charged with stealing this cask of colour—he said he knew nothing about it till it was brought back and taken out of Sadler's cart.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY.—Recommended to mercy on account of his good character. —Aged 35.— Confined Three Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2405

2405. JANE SMITH , stealing 1 shawl, value 16s.; the goods of Eliza Fenton, from her person.

ELIZA FENTON . I live at White Hart-street, Commercial-road, Lambeth. I know the prisoner—on Friday week, I met her in the Strand, and went to a public-house to have some drink—we then went into another public-house—the landlord would not serve her—she took my scarf, and said, "Will you allow me that scarf to put on my shoulders to see how 1 look in it?"—she made use of very bad language to the landlord, said she would fetch a policeman, and break all his windows—my scarf was on her at the time——she went out, and never returned—I went to her house in the morning, and asked her for it—she denied having it—I said it is no use of you to say that, you have—she said she would go to the landlord, and ask him whether she was the party that took it, and when she found I was determined to go to the landlord, her young man that was with her gave her a nudge to go back—I said, "If you turn back again, I will turn back as well"—I saw her go in-doors by a back door, by which she got out—when I got up into her room the man was gone, and she turned round and abused me shamefully—she would not go to the landlord, and I gave her in charge—she was brought to the landlord, and the moment he saw her, he said, "You are the girl that robbed the poor girl of the scarf"—I can swear to you.

Cross-examined by MR. SLEIGH. Q. How do you get your living? A. I am a miliner by trade, and am an unfortunate person—I live close to the prisoner—it was between twelve and one o'clock when I met her—we stayed at the public-house about three quarters of an hour—a gentleman paid for the drink—I do not know how much we had—I did not drink as much as I could get—I drank nothing but plain gin—I only sipped out of each glass—we were there about ten minutes, standing by the bar—she put the scarf on her shoulders—I had no objection to her doing that—I did not think she was going to keep it, but when I turned round, she was gone—if she had returned it directly, I should not have complained—I went before Sir Peter Laurie, and charged her with this—my witness was not there in time, and he discharged her—I have not been to the prisoner's friends, and offered for a certain sum of money not to come here—they came to my landlady, and offered me 30s. for the value of my scarf and expenses, and I would not accept of it—I have two witnesses to prove it—this happened on a Friday, and the prisoner never appeared till the Monday—there were no other women in the public-house with us—the scarf has not been found; it is a scarf-shawl; that is what they are known as—the policeman did not refuse to take her in charge—he did not say, "You are a parcel of drunken w—s altogether, I will have nothing to do with you"—nothing of the kind.

JOHN' MASON . I keep the Ben Jonson, in Shoe-lane. The prisoner and the witness came to my place about half-past four or five o'clock in the

morning, and called for a quartern of gin—the prosecutrix was intoxicated; the prisoner was not very tipsy—I had had a good deal of trouble with the prisoner, and refused serving her—it is not long since she robbed a gentleman of a watch, which was found in her bosom—she was very troublesome on this occasion, and made use of very bad words, and said if I attempted to tarn her out, she would smash every b----y window in the place—I got them both out to the top of the court—she was very violent, kicking and knocking at the door—the prosecutrix had the scarf-shawl on her shoulders at the time—I begged them to go away—the prisoner said she would fetch a policeman, and give me in charge, because I would not serve her, for keeping my house open, and not serving my customers—she took the scarf off the prosecutrix's shoulders, and walked away down the lane with it, and said she would get a policeman—a few minutes afterwards, the prosecutrix came crying down the passage, saying she had lost her shawl.

Cross-examined. Q. Both were drunk? A. The prisoner was not so tipsy as the other—I have seen both much more tipsy—I never saw the prisoner without her being so—my house is kept open all night for the accommodation of the press, and we are subject to all sorts of characters—I did not see any altercation at all between them with respect to the shawl before the prisoner took it—the prisoner whipped it off, and said she would go for a policeman—there was no appearance of her taking the shawl to keep her warm while she went for a policeman—in my opinion, she took it to make away with it—the prosecutrix did not know that it was gone at the moment.

GUILTY . Aged 22.— Confined One Month.

NEW COURT.—Wednesday, November 1st, 1848.


Before Mr. Common Serjeant and the Fifth Jury.

Reference Number: t18481023-2406

2406. LAWRENCE CROWLEY , feloniously cutting and wounding John Henderson on his left breast, with intent to disable him: 2nd COUNT, with intent to do him grievous bodily harm.

JOHN HENDERSON (policeman, H 174). On the morning of the 4th Oct., I was at the Jolly Sailor, in St. George's-in-the-East—I saw the prisoner striving to force his way in—I spoke to him, and requested him to go home—he did not, and I took hold of him to remove him from the door—he grasped me by the body—I turned him away, his foot slipped, and he fell in the road—he had a fiddle with him, which was broken, and he came up and stabbed me under the nipple of the left breast—he was making a second attempt, when 1 caught him by the wrist, and stopped him—this knife was taken from his hand—I was taken to the hospital, and remained there four days—I suppressed the blood by putting my hand against the wound—the surgeon probed it half an inch.

WILLIAM FOWLE (policeman, H 185). I took the prisoner—he said, "I have stubbed the policeman; I would stab any b----r that would break my fiddle"—he said he did not intend it for the policeman, but for the waiter—he said before the Magistrate that it was done in a moment of passion.

Prisoner's Defence. I was drunk; I did not know what I was doing—I did not know him—I could not have any animosity against him.

GUILTY. Aged 60.—Recommended to mercy by the Jury. Confined One Year.

Reference Number: t18481023-2407

2407. LOUISA FITZGERALD , and ELIZA RILEY , feloniously assaulting Elizabeth Sarah Taylor, and cutting and wounding her on her head and face, with intent to do her grievous bodily harm.

MR. CAARTEEN conducted the Prosecution.

ELIZABETH SARAH TAYLOR . I live in King-street, Drury-lane; I am single. I was in Drury-lane about a quarter before one o'clock on the morning of 5th Sept.—there was a man and woman quarrelling—I stopped to look—there were a great many persons looking—the prisoners were there; I knew them before—while I was looking, they both rushed on me, and began beating me with great violence on the head and face—I saw something in Fitzgerald's hand; I could not see whether it was a knife or scissors—she beat me with that on the head and face—a gentleman and Margaret Barrett dragged me away—a great deal of blood came from my head and face—I had not given either of the prisoners any provocation—I had had a few words with Fitzgerald a few nights before, but I thought it was all over—I felt Riley beating me on the head with a key—I was taken to the hospital, and remained there a month.

MARGARET BARRETT . I was with Taylor, and saw the prisoners there—they rushed upon Taylor, and beat her most shamefully—Fitzgerald was digging something into her head, and I saw the blood coming out of her head; Riley had a key in her hand, and was beating her at the back of her head with it—I and a gentleman pulled Taylor away, she was covered with blood—she had not given the prisoners any provocation that night.

WARREN FINCHAM . I am house-surgeon at King's College Hospital; Taylor was brought there on the morning of the 5th Sept., with her clothes covered with blood; she had a deep wound on her cheek, and two long thin cuts on the forehead, made with some sharp instrument, I suspect with a knife, and the other with a blunt instrument—she was for some time in danger of her life.

Fitzgerald's Defence. She was coming along with a young man; I crossed over; there were two women fighting: Taylor struck me; I had no weapon in my hand whatever.

Riley's Defence. This woman said a few words to this girl about the man that she lives with, and she said she would have her revenge; the prosecutrix then struck her in her face, and they began to fight—I went up, and the prosecutrix bit my thumb, and tore my hair; we had no keys at all; I had no intention of striking anybody, but it was the provocation.

MARGARET BARRETT re-examined. I saw the assault made—Fitzgerald commenced it; I swear that.



Confined One Year.

Reference Number: t18481023-2408

2408. BENJAMIN WARREN , stealing 24lbs. weight of lead, value 5s.; the goods of George Cook.

MR. BRIARLY conducted the Prosecution.

ROBERT COOK . The prisoner was in the employ of my father, George Cook, who lives in St. Bride's-passage—there is some lead here, which I believe is my father's, from its weight and general appearance—it was lead

that we used at the time the prisoner was at work on the premises of Messrs. Davenport—he had lead of this description, and that lead was missing that afternoon.

JOSEPH HEADINGTON (City-policeman, 20). I watched William Westerdale's house, 68, Shoe-lane, for twenty days—(see page 1023)—during that time I saw the prisoner on several occasions. On 5th Oct. we followed him into the house, and this lead was on the scale by the side of him—about a quarter of an hour previously I had seen him come out of Westerdale's, and I followed him to some house in Salisbury-court—I then saw him again go into Westerdale's, and this lead was in the scale—I found three nails in the lead, and I found a belt round his body, which had been pulled down with the pressure of something that appeared to correspond with the nails in the lead—when I went in the prisoner was doing up his clothes—we searched Westerdale's house, and found a ton and a half of lead.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Was there nobody in the shop? A. The prisoner was in the parlour, and Mrs. Westerdale—the man Westerdale was not at home—Mrs. Westerdale is now ill in bed—I went on the roof of Mr. Davenport's house, and found that the prisoner had been working with such lead as this.

(The prisoner received a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 37.— Confined Six Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2409

2409. THOMAS DEBENHAM , stealing 1 1/2 pint of wine, value 2s.; the goods of the Eastern Counties Railway Company, his masters.

MR. BALLANTINE conducted the Prosecution.

CHARLES ANDREW AMES , I am a policeman of the Eastern Counties Railway. On the night of 23rd Oct., about five minutes past eleven o'clock, I was on duty at the goods shed—it was lighted with gas, and the gas was suddenly reduced—in three or four minutes I turned it on, and saw the prisoner and two of his mates near the engine-house—there was a hogshead of wine close to them—I said, "You are all in the dark"—one of them said, "That is right, let us have a little light"—I went on and came round, and saw the gas was turned off again—that would leave the hogshead of wine in darkness—I heard some one knocking in the direction of it—I turned on the gas, and saw the prisoner stooping behind the hogshead to pick up this jug—I went to him, and took the jug from him—he tried to chuck it away—he said, "For God's sake forgive me"—I took him to the gate, and gave him into the custody of Green—the jug was full of red wine—I went to the hogshead, and there was a plug put in it.

Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. This man belonged to the Eastern Counties Railway? A. Yes, and the other two men also—they saw me the first time.

EDWARD GREEN . The prisoner was given into my custody with this jug—I put it on a desk—the prisoner sprang forward, I got hold of it, he threw me down, and spilt the wine—he then kneeled on my stomach, and held on my neck.

GUILTY . Aged 26.— Confined Three Months.

Reference Number: t18481023-2410

2410. JOHN BASTOW , stealing 2 coats, value 7l.; the goods of Edward Scratton.

MR. BALLANTINE conducted the Prosecution.

JAMES KINNERLY . I am a constable, in the employ of the Eastern Counties Railway. I was on duty at the terminus on Saturday, 7th Oct., at the departure platform—I saw the prisoner, and watched him about an hour and a half—trains went out and came in, but not there—the prisoner did not

take any ticket—I then saw him go into the first-class waiting-room—he stood as if looking at a placard that was up, but his eyes were looking about—I saw two gentlemen come in and take some luggage, and a porter came and took it out after them, the prisoner followed them—I continued to watch him—I saw the gentlemen go into the waiting-room again, and the prisoner stood leaning against the door-post—shortly afterwards they went out, leaving the prisoner alone—he came on the platform and looked about—he then went into the waiting-room and took two great coats on his arm and walked out towards the street—when he got midway he went across to a placard, and was looking back on the way he came—I went up and said, "Where are you going with these coats?"—he hesitated, muttered something and said, "I am going to take them to the Lost Property Office"—I said, "I will save you the trouble; I will take them and you too"—I took him before the Superintendent, he stated he had been at the station for two years—the Superintendent said, "I saw you at the station this morning, and told this man to watch you."

Cross-examined by MR. ROBINSON. Q. Did he not say that he was looking for his brother, and that he had been there before to see his brother? A. Yes—he said he wanted Turner to come, but he did not come—he said he had spoken to a gentleman about taking these to the Lost Property Office—he did not say that if I would go with him he would find the person—the Lost Property Office is not difficult to find—there is a board put up, it is very conspicuous—the Woolwich trains go from there.

COURT. Q. Had this man any authority to take them to the Lost Property Office? A. No.

EDWARD SCRATTON . These are my coats—they were not lost property, I left them in the first-class waiting-room—I was going back to get them.

Cross-examined. Q. Are they both yours? A. Yes—I was going to Chelmsford—the coats had been in the waiting-room ten minutes or a quarter of an hour.

Prisoner. I never was under lock and key before; I used to go on the railway every morning and night; the Lost Property Office was close by where I was; I was not going in the direction of the road.

(George Edward Parish, of Queen-street, Cheapside, and Mr. Letts, a printer, of the Strand, gave the prisoner a good character.)

GUILTY . Aged 27.— Transported for Seven Years .

Reference Number: t18481023-2411

2411. JAMES HENRY , stealing 5 gowns, value 7l., and 1 wooden box, 3s.; the goods of Thomas Williams.

MR. BALLANTINE conducted the Prosecution.

THOMAS MURTON . I live in Swan-yard, Shoreditch, and am a constable of the Eastern Counties Railway. I was at the arrival terminus on Saturday evening, the 7th Oct.—the Colchester train arrived at half-past nine o'clock, a little later than it was due—it was a long train, and there were a great many passengers—I stationed myself opposite the luggage-van, and while the luggage was being taken out, and put on the platform, I saw the prisoner—he looked about the luggage, and I saw him lay hold of a trunk and pull it on one side, and he desired the porter Rees to take it to a cab, and be quick about it—he took it, and the prisoner walked about one pace in front of him—a gentleman went to the porter, and requested to know what he was about to do with his trunk—the porter said he was going to take it to a cab for the gentleman in front of him—the prisoner was near enough to hear what was said, and he made a rush into the crowd of passengers—I followed him,

and so did the gentleman the trunk belonged to—the prisoner said it was not him that ordered the porter to take the trunk.

Cross-examined by MR. MELLER. Q. I suppose there was a great noise? A. No—it was after the luggage had been placed on the platform—there were not one-third of the passengers round it—they had not had opportunity of getting up—the prisoner was up early—there might probably be thirty persons about the luggage—I saw the prisoner looking amongst the trunks about two or three minutes—this was an ordinary portmanteau—there was an address on it, "Mrs. Williams, passenger to London"—this was lying with probably a dozen more trunks—other persons were taking luggage—I had seen the prisoner move two or three trunks, it struck me he was looking for his luggage—he then pulled this on one side—several persons were going out who had no luggage.

JOHN REES . I am a porter on the Eastern Counties Railway. I was near the platform when the Colchester train came in—I was desired by the prisoner to take this box to a cab, and to be quick—the gentleman came and spoke to me, I told him I was carrying it for the prisoner, and the prisoner ran into the mob—I came back again to the platform—there was no other trunk of this size without an owner—the prisoner told us at the station that he came from Hertford—I told him that train came from Colchester, and then he said he came from Colchester.

THOMAS WILLIAMS . I went to meet my wife, who came up by that train—this is her trunk—I know nothing of the prisoner.

GUILTY . Aged 26.— Transported for Seven Tears.

Reference Number: t18481023-2412

2412. ISIDORE THEODORE KRAKAUER , stealing 8 rings, value 47l.; the goods of George Joseph, in his dwelling-house.

MR. PARNELL conducted the Prosecution.

GEORGE JOSEPH . I am a goldsmith and jeweller, and live at 19, Wood-bridge-street, Clerkenwell. The prisoner came to me on 2nd Oct., at eleven o'clock in the morning, to look at some diamond rings; he had been to look at some on 26th and 27th Sept., and I had none to fit him; I told him to come again in the afternoon—he came between three and four, and I showed him eight diamond rings in a paper, and told him the price—he offered a price for them, but not so much as I wanted—we at last agreed for 47l., and five per cent. discount for cash—he represented himself as a merchant—1l. was to be taken off, he being short of cash—he produced a box exactly similar to this (looking at one)—I put the diamond rings in it, and put paper by the side of them—the prisoner said, "Make out three invoices," and I did—they were all alike—they were for the rings—he took some sealing-wax from his pocket and sealed the box—he afterwards produced three German silver watches, and gave them to me—I was to plate them, and he was to have them back the next afternoon—he also produced three small jeweller's gold rings, and wanted three dozen of them made—I told him I could make them for 5s. a piece—he asked me to write a direction on the box, but he did not give me the direction, he said, "No, never mind"—he produced some notes that looked like Bank-notes—he said they were Scotch notes—I offered to get them cashed—he did not leave them—he was to call again in an hour, and pay me for the rings—he did not appear to take the box in which the rings were, it was left on the table and the watches; he told me not to go out—he did not come back at all—I did not open the box till the following Thursday; one of my journeymen was present—I then

found in it two halves of boiled potatoes—I had not turned my back towards—the prisoner while he was there—I had seen him twice before the 2nd Oct.—on that day he was in the parlour about half an hour—I saw him again in the Duke of York public-house, at Bristol, on the morning of the 9th Oct.—he said he was not in London at that time, and I was a thief—Sherwinski was with me, and he spoke to the prisoner in German—some notes were found on the prisoner and some dummy sovereigns, copper sovereigns—at the time he came to me another man was with him—I have not seen that man since—on the 2nd Oct. the prisoner left with me a small jeweller's ring and this carpet-bag—I have since had shown to me a brown coat and a cap—to the best of my belief the coat is the same that the prisoner wore on 2nd Oct.—he gave met the name of Moses Lewis—there were some rags in the box besides the boiled potatoes, and there were some rags in the carpet-bag also.

Cross-examined by MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Are you at all short-sighted? A. No; I have not complained of being short-sighted since I have been in business—I am a diamond-setter—I was short-sighted when I went to school—I can see diamonds very well—I went at once to the police, and had the advertisement in the Hue and Cry—I mentioned that there were two persons there during the whole time—I should know the other person if I saw him—he had a sallow complexion, and full dark whiskers—Mr. Barnett, of Primrose-street, Bishopsgate, has acted as my attorney in this case—I believe him to be an attorney—I do not think he has got a name on the door, I will not be certain—here is the Hue and Cry in which I described the person—I gave a description to the officer—I stated there were two men: I cannot exactly remember the description—I described the prisoner as of a darkish complexion—I cannot remember what age—I will not swear I described him as forty-five—I will not swear I did not describe him of fresh complexion—I described him of darkish complexion—I do not consider dark and fresh the same—I cannot remember which I described him to be—I described him with carrotty whiskers and darkish complexion—I went to Bristol, and took the prisoner into custody on 8th Oct.—I received a letter at my house that Mr. Barnett wished to see me—that is how he came to be my attorney; he found me, I did not find him—Mr. Humphreys was engaged for me at first: he did not withdraw, I sent a letter to him—I had received a letter from Mr. Barnett previous to engaging Mr. Humphreys—I know Sherwinski; he did not introduce this lawyer to me—I heard from Sherwinski that the prisoner was at Bristol—I had not known Sherwinski previous to 6th Oct.—I told one of my men about the robbery, one of my men told a man named Cohen, and then Sherwinski came to my house, and told me that the prisoner had left London; but I had to give a description of the man—he came to hear what I had to tell him—I described him to Sherwinski, and he said, "I have an idea who is the man"—he did not tell me what his idea was; I did not ask him—I came, in a round-about manner, to ask him, and he would not tell me—I did not know Sherwinski before—it was on the evening of 7th Oct that he told me he suspected it was this man—I have not paid him anything yet—I am to pay him 2l. at the close of the Court—I gave him money for refreshment—I gave him 5s.—I do not know what he did with it—he is to receive 2l. at the end of this trial—it did not suit me to give it him before—perhaps I should like to see the finish first.

Q. Suppose the finish is, that nobody believes a word of your story, and you are all turned out of Court? A. Then 1 shall give him the 2l.—perhaps the reason I have not given him the 2l. is, that I could not trust him—that is the

reason—having been bit once, I did not like it again—if he does not come up to the mark, and the prisoner is not convicted, I will give him the 2l. just the same, for his loss of time—I know nothing of his character—he professed himself to be a professor of languages—I went down to Bristol with Sher-winski, and got a policeman there, named Britton—the prisoner came to us at the Duke of York—he did not ask what I wanted with him—Sherwinski spoke to him in German, which I do not understand—the prisoner then said. in English, to me, that he was not in London at the time—when I saw the prisoner, I said, in the presence of Britton, "I believe that is the man"—Sherwinski did not say he was sure that was the man—he was not sure that he was the man that robbed me of my diamonds—Sherwinski spoke to him in German, and the prisoner declared he had nothing to do with my diamonds, that he was not in London at the time, and I was a thief—Britton is here—I do not know whether Cohen is—one of my workmen gave information to Coben, and Cohen to the brother of Sherwinski—I called on Cohen before I went down to Bristol—one of my workmen told me he thought he had a clue to the man—in consequence of that I went to Cohen—he is not a witness for me.

MR. PARNELL. Q. You did not know Sherwinski before 6th Oct.? A. No—he and the prisoner appeared to know each other—Sherwinski spoke to me in English—the prisoner can speak English—it appears to me that the prisoner's whiskers have been dyed since he came to my shop.

BENJAMIN BRITTON (Bristol policeman, 188). I apprehended the prisoner on 9th Oct., at the Duke of York public-house—Sherwinski was present, he spoke to the prisoner in German, and the prosecutor gave him into my charge—I told him he was charged with stealing eight diamond rings, in London—he said he did not know Mr. Joseph, and he was not in London at that time—I did not hear him say anything as to Mr. Joseph's own character—I never heard anything against the Duke of York public-house—I found on the prisoner, at the station, a watch, two rings, some keys, and 1l. 3s. 5d.—before he left, he went up stairs and undid his box—we locked the door, and Mrs. Wilcox gave me up the key—I found in his lodging a coat, a cap, some jewellery, and eighteen duplicates; these seven dummy sovereigns, and these notes of the Republic of 1792—(one of the duplicates was for an article pawned at Reading on 3rd Oct.)

Cross-examined. Q. You found a great quantity of property? A. Yes; some sponge, and a box full of jewellery, and these eighteen duplicates for different things—I have not ascertained the value of the property in the box—none of these duplicates are for diamond rings—these dummy sovereigns were loose in a portmanteau, in his lodging—there were no watches and seals—there were dirty clothes, and these were lying in one corner—when wo went into the room, the prisoner came to us—there was some conversation with Sherwinski and him—he appeared in a passion when he was speaking in German—he said he knew nothing of it, and was not in London at the time—Joseph believed at first that he was the man, and then he said he was certain—I said to him, "Are you certain he is the man"—he said, "I am"—I examined the prisoner when he was taken—I should say his whiskers are a little darker than they were.

MR. PARNELL. Q. Have you examined these duplicates? A. I have looked them over—there are none for diamond rings—I have not ascertained that none of them are for Mr. Joseph's property.

ELIJA WREN . I am in the prosecutor's service. I have seen the prisoner,

he came to our house three or four times—he came last on the day this matter took place—I saw him go into the parlour with my master, and he staid about half an hour—I handed him a chair to sit down, and went upstairs—I am sure he is the man.

Cross-examined. Q. Do you know Sherwinski? A. Only by sight—I have talked to him; I do not very often talk to him; sometimes every day—I do not know when I began to talk to him; it is a week or two ago—he came to our house to know about it; I think it was on Friday, as this happened on Monday—he asked if my master had been robbed—I said, "Yes"—he asked me the description of the man—I told him a man with dark sandy whiskers, and dark curly hair—I told him only of one man; there were two came—he did not tell me it was Mr. Krakauer did it—he did not tell me any name—I first saw the prisoner, after he was taken into custody, at the police-court, Clerkenwell—before going to the Court I saw Sherwinski—he told me they had got the man—he did not tell me to be sure and make no mistake about swearing to him; he did not tell me anything about swearing to him; he did not tell me anything about the man; he told me he had got the man—he did not say anything else in my presence—I do not know Mr. Cohen—the prisoner was in the box, in the police-court, when I went in with my master—I then recognized him—his whiskers might have been a little darker than they were before, but I could not see any difference—he is just the same now as he was then.

ROBERT CASPAR . I am a master-tailor, and live in Bevis-marks—I know the prisoner. On the 9th Sept. I took coats and clothes to his lodging when he lived in Eldon-street—I saw this carpet-bag there—I had been there several times—I saw this bag two or three times, but I did not see it at the time I took the clothes home—I should say certainly this is the carpet-bag.

Cross-examined. Q. This is it, is it? A. Yes; I swear positively it is it; I know it well—it has no mark; it is the singularity of the pattern I know it by—I do not go by any other name than Caspar in this country—I have a Polish name, which the English cannot pronounce so well—I preferred a charge against the prisoner for stealing clothes—I cannot say the date when I saw this bag—as soon as I saw it at the station-house I said, "This is Krakauer's"—I went to the station-house—I heard that he was taken—I heard it by Cohen, not by Sherwinski—I did not see Sherwinski before I went to Clerkenwell.

Q. Do you mean to swear you did not see Sherwinski before you went to Clerkenwell? A. I think I did see him; I rode in a cart with him to Clerkenwell—I did not go into a public-house with him—he did not come in after me—I swear I do not know that he was there—I did not talk to him in the public-house; I had no conversation with him—I did not drink with him—I met him with the cart in Houndsditch—I did not exactly go with him, there was a Mr. Marks; he had forged a bill on him, and he took me to Clerkenwell with Sherwinski—I did not go back in the same cart; I went back by myself—I did not see him the same evening—I was going on my own business, and as soon as I went in I said, "This is the carpet-bag.'

ISIDORE SHERWINSKI . I went with the prosecutor to Bristol—I did not at first give him information to induce him to go to Bristol—he did not call on me—he came to Cohen, and left a card on a Thursday, and on Friday I went to Mr. Joseph's house—I went up stairs into his working-room, and asked, "Which is Mr. Joseph?"—he said, "I am Mr. Joseph," and said, "A man called on me, and changed some diamonds for some potatoes, and

the man looked So-and-so "—he asked me did I know such a man—he gave the name of Moses Lewis, or some such name—I said, "I think I do know such a man, but his name is not Moses Lewis; his name is Krakauer"—I found out that he was gone to Bristol—I found that out by going to the landlady, at 9, Wen lock-street—I do not know her name—she told me that a cab was taken, and the waterman told me he took him to the Great-Western Railway.

Cross-examined. Q. You are not the attorney in this case? A. No; you must ask the prosecutor who is—I at first introduced Mr. Barnett to him, and then he went to Mr. Humphreys—I introduced Mr. Barnett, and he refused to take him—he promised to pay my travelling expenses, and 2l.—I can get the 2l. any time I like—I know Caspar; I saw him at Clerkenwell, at the police-court—I went with him from Houndsditch—I saw a carpet-bag; Caspar saw it—he said it was a carpet-bag similar to Krakauer's carpet-bag, and the boy had it in his hand—I am a teacher of languages—I decline to mention any families in which I teach—I have never been in any other position in this Court than the witness-box, that I know of—I was never tried—I was never tried in the Queen's Bench—I never heard of a case going on in the Queen's Bench for a conspiracy—I do not know Simon Marks, or David Brown, or Thomas Bennett—I know Hyam Royt—Ke never charged me with any offence—I was before a Magistrate for an assault; for nothing else—I never made charges against persons before—I am a Prussian Pole—I have only known the prisoner six months—I dare say I have a sister; I do not know whether she is alive or not—I do not know that the prisoner paid his addresses to her—I did not know that she was to be married to him—the prisoner never paid me any money to be off—I never went by the name of Joseph Cohen—my sister is not in this country—I did not know the prisoner abroad—I went to America in April, 1844—I know nothing of any indictment against me in the Court of Queen's Bench—I can read.

Q. Look at this (handing a paper to the witness). Now, were you not indicted in the Court of Queen's Bench? A. By the indictment I might have been—I never started till the 13th April—I did not hear of this indictment till now—there was no indictment tried against me—I remained in America four years—I never gave anybody into custody.


BENJAMIN COHEN . My brother-in-law, Adolphus Green, works at Mr. Joseph's—he called on me on 5th Oct. and told me of something that had occurred—after that, I saw the witness Sherwinski—I have known him for a long time—my brother-in-law came to my house—he had not been there for eight months—I said, "What brought you here?"—he said, "I will tell you some news respecting two foreigners"—Sherwinski's brother was in my house—my brother-in-law told me something about the diamonds, and I and Sherwinski talked about the person who had committed the robbery—I did not go to Mr. Josephs; Sherwinski did, he went to get a job—he told me he did go there, and did get the job, to find out a person named Krakauer—I did not go to the lodging of this man—I did not know where he lived—I do not know whether there was a cap left at Mr. Joseph's—I have not seen a cap that was left at Mr. Joseph's—Mr. Barnett was in my house, and he said, "Did not you make a cap for Krakauer?"—I said, "No"—I said, "You want to get me to swear it; I would not swear a He for a room full of gold"—Mr. Barnett wanted to persuade me that I made a cap—I said, "No," and he went out of the room—I do not know why he wanted to persuade me that

made a cap—I do not know the prisoner well—I only saw him a few times—I and Shervinski have not talked this matter over together at all—Mr. Josephs came to my house after my brother-in-law had told me, and he left a card at my house that I should give it to his brother, and he went to his house—nothing was said to me about getting 5l.—I do not know anything about this carpet bag—I never saw it.

Cross-examined by MR. PARNELL. Q. What are you? A. A cap-maker—I do not know the prisoner—I only saw him two or three times—I would not swear I made a cap for him—I never did.

JANE TONGUE . I live at No. 19, Wenlock-street, City-road. I have been living with the prisoner—I remember 2nd Oct., I saw him on that day—I breakfasted with him between nine and ten o'clock—I remained at home, and he went out between nine and ten with Mr. Marks, and Mr. Cohen—he came back about a quarter past eleven with his brother—he remained at home about half an hour, and then went out with his brother—he came home alone at one o'clock—we dined together—Betsy Newland, the servant, waited at dinner—we were about half an hour at dinner—he had a carpet-bag—he put some jewellery in it—he had some sponge—he took some of it in a carpet-bag and a canvas-bag—it—was not this carpet-bag, not like it—it had leather on each side of it—I have known him about eight weeks—I never saw him with a carpet-bag like this—after he had done this, he went into his bed-room to pack some things in a small portmanteau—he was in the bed-room about a quarter of an hour—he wrote a note to his brother, which he gave to tie servant Betsy Newland—we had tea between three and four o'clock—Betsy Newland did not wait at tea, she went off with the note to his brother—she brought up the kettle and then went away with the note—when we had finished tea the prisoner went out—he came back in about five minutes in a cab—I remained at home, and he went away with the cab—I believe he went as far as Reading that night—he left me about four o'clock—I did not see him again till he was in custody—he was not out at all from the time we sat down to dinner at one o'clock, till the time he left after tea: he was not out of my sight.

Cross-examined by MR. PARNELL. Q. How long have you been living with him? A. Rather better than two months—my friends live at Tiverton—I came up with the intention of being married to him—a circumstance prevented our being married at that time—I should have been married by this time if it were not for this—I do not know that he said that circumstances prevented the marriage at that time, but I knew it—I cannot exactly tell you what the circumstances were—my friends know that I am living with him—I do not know that they approve of it—we were to have been married in London—he has no female relations living at this house in Wenlock-street—I did not go there to him, he came and fetched me from Bristol—I do not know when he would have come back from Reading—he was gone away for a day or two—he could not tell the time himself—he was going to Reading to seil bis goods, sponge and jewellery—I knew of his intention to go to Bristol—he had not been out of town before, since I have been with him—it was his intention to have gone that morning, but Mr. Marks and Mr. Cohen prevented it—before we went to this place in Wenlock-street, we were living in Eldon-street—I cannot tell how long we lived there—we left rather suddenly—the landlord did not complain that we ran away without paying him—the key is in his possession now—I do not know that the landlord complained Of his going away with the key and not paying the rent—we left Eldon-street

because the prisoner was going to leave London altogether—he has not given up the key because he has not given up the house—it was taken for three years—I cannot say the day of the month on which be left the other house; I believe it was on Wednesday—I cannot say whether it happened to be on the 26th Sept.—I cannot tell how long it was before he went down to Reading—he had been living in Wenlock-street very nearly a fortnight before he left, it was more than a week—I will swear it was not the Wednesday before this.

MR. BALLANTINE. Q. Where were you living? A. At Bristol, as barmaid, where he is perfectly well known—I do not know whether he paid the last quarter's rent of the house in Eldon-street—it was paid up to that time.

BETSY NEWLAND . I am nearly fourteen years old I live at No. 9, Wenlock-street, with the prisoner and the last witness—I recollect the day he went into the country—they dined that day at one o'clock—I waited on them at dinner—they had beer to drink for dinner; I fetched it—I remained down in the kitchen—while they were at dinner I went out for a halfpenny-worth of tripe—I went out before tea-time with a note—he wrote a note and told me to take it down to his brother—that was a few minutes before four—I went down and brought the tea-kettle up—the things were set on the table, and I went out—I did not wait on them at tea—I saw two gentlemen there that day, but I do not know them—I got back after taking the letter, about five o'clock—when I got back into the room I found nobody at home—I did not see ray master's carpet-bag—I never saw this bag before to my knowledge.

Cross-examined. Q. How long have you been living in this house in Wen-lock-street? A. About a month or five weeks—they removed there the same day that I went to it—I went to Eldon-street the same day to clean the place—it was on a Thursday, and master went away on Monday—it was not on the Thursday before that Monday that they came into the house—I do not think it was the Thursday before—I think it was more than three or four days after they moved from Eldon-street.